--- Log opened Thu Sep 01 00:00:04 2016
2016-09-01T00:06:47 < Fleck> basepusher: reference manual + datasheet
2016-09-01T00:07:03 < Fleck> there is mem map, each reg has address offsets
2016-09-01T00:07:48 < basepusher> oh ok manual
2016-09-01T00:07:57 < basepusher> i see now that has more information
2016-09-01T00:08:06 < basepusher> 1700 page of information
2016-09-01T00:08:09 < Fleck> :D
2016-09-01T00:10:29 < basepusher> so rcc peripheral for a bus like ahb1 controls whether it is on/ off?
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2016-09-01T00:55:40 < Laurenceb__> sup trolls
2016-09-01T00:56:02 < Laurenceb__> I don't get how emdrive got into AIAA, raging hard
2016-09-01T00:56:05 < karlp> zyp: how do you add a breakpoitn on the interrupts with your laks template irq handler stuff?
2016-09-01T00:56:23 < Laurenceb__> the review process is a pita, was trying to get my paper on airship containerfreight in :-/
2016-09-01T00:56:39 < Laurenceb__> but I thought of an idea, maybe they got published as they proved its a scam
2016-09-01T00:56:45 < Laurenceb__> that would be truly epic lulz
2016-09-01T00:56:50 < Fleck> not sure I understand your question basepusher
2016-09-01T01:00:46 < zyp> karlp, break interrupt<blah> I guess
2016-09-01T01:01:18 < zyp> having problems getting that resolved to a symbol name?
2016-09-01T01:03:15 < zyp> I believe it should be straightforward, but in that case you wouldn't have to ask
2016-09-01T01:03:32 < zyp> if you're having problems, just set it on the line or something
2016-09-01T01:03:36 < zyp> break foo.cpp:123
2016-09-01T01:04:15 < Fleck> sleep! Bye all
2016-09-01T01:05:45 < zyp> if you're trying to tabcomplete the symbol name, you're probably getting something like interrupt<(Interrupt::IRQ)15> or whatever, since gdb doesn't resolve the enum value back to its name
2016-09-01T01:14:08 < englishman> audiophiles blogging https://np.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/50es2p/can_we_post_porn/d73hbo9?context=3
2016-09-01T01:15:57 < englishman> i bet the cord still breaks in 18 months
2016-09-01T01:27:50 < karlp> zyp: also, you have "interrupt.h" but it doesn't seem to handle the different parts like your other files do..
2016-09-01T01:31:45 < zyp> that's correct
2016-09-01T01:33:09 < basepusher> Fleck: it's more clear now after looking at the manual, my understanding is rcc memory space per bus contains registers like rcc_ahb1enr, you need to set the gpioE_EN bit in this register to activate the clock for gpioE
2016-09-01T01:33:10 < karlp> ok, so Interrupt::enable(blah) works, "sometimes" :)
2016-09-01T01:33:17 < Laurenceb__> Forget the Royal Air Force. Never was so much owed to so few as the keyboard warriors.
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2016-09-01T01:33:36 < Laurenceb__>  In the distant future, after victory is ours, we can erect a Tomb of the Unknown Shitlord to honor their groundbreaking revolutionary work.
2016-09-01T01:33:39 < Laurenceb__> true words
2016-09-01T01:34:45 < zyp> karlp, well, the IRQ list were written for F4, and the one interrupt I once used on F3 had the same interrupt number, so it required no change
2016-09-01T01:35:36 < zyp> hmm, actually, maybe it was written for F1
2016-09-01T01:35:46 < zyp> I don't remember :)
2016-09-01T01:36:14 < karlp> given it has cahnnel, not stream, I think it was f1?
2016-09-01T01:36:40 < zyp> yeah, probably
2016-09-01T01:36:53 < zyp> and F3 is pretty similar to F1
2016-09-01T01:37:16 < karlp> well, got a breakpoitn on rxne, so that works at least
2016-09-01T01:37:20 < karlp> gdb with c++ is... different.
2016-09-01T01:37:53 < zyp> other than having to deal with symbol mangling?
2016-09-01T01:37:59 < karlp> something like that?
2016-09-01T01:38:20 < karlp> how do demangle automatically? some stuff seems to be fine, some stuff seems to be completely garbage
2016-09-01T01:38:42 < zyp> like what?
2016-09-01T01:39:16 < karlp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/YoesI sort of stuff
2016-09-01T01:39:23 < karlp> the otuput when I use "n"
2016-09-01T01:39:26 < zyp> in my experience, everything gets unmangled, but enums in template arguments doesn't get resolved back to the enum name
2016-09-01T01:39:57 < zyp> wtf
2016-09-01T01:40:27 < zyp> that looks like a mismatch between debug symbols and source
2016-09-01T01:40:36 < zyp> or even a gdb bug
2016-09-01T01:41:15 < zyp> have you tried building with -Og?
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2016-09-01T01:42:32 < zyp> I mostly don't care about stepping through source lines, when I'm stepping at all I mostly use si and look at the assembly listing
2016-09-01T01:42:56 < zyp> but if I did, I'd build with -Og
2016-09-01T01:44:26 < karlp> heh, changing from -O2 (your default) to -Os resulted in it hardfaulting for on pin setmode.
2016-09-01T01:45:45 < karlp> that's... special :)
2016-09-01T01:46:06 < zyp> uh
2016-09-01T01:46:13 < zyp> that's not supposed to happen :)
2016-09-01T01:46:36 < karlp> no. it shouldn't :) I'm going to say that's a bug in your gpio stuff I guess.
2016-09-01T01:47:34 < zyp> curious why, but I'm not in a position to reproduce and debug
2016-09-01T01:47:58 < karlp> probably happens with the existing usb-cdc-acm demo of yours, it's before it enters any of my code at all.
2016-09-01T01:48:20 < karlp> if I get anything of my own going to night at all, I'll do that on the clean code
2016-09-01T01:50:23 < zyp> could be timing related, if that set mode is the first thing you do after enabling that gpio block
2016-09-01T01:51:23 < zyp> although accessing unclocked blocks on stm32 usually just results in ignored accesses
2016-09-01T01:53:10 < zyp> usually with those kinds of bugs you just get stuck in a wait loop or something because the bit you tried to set got ignored and so the result you're waiting for never occurs
2016-09-01T01:58:00 < karlp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/2PSeI
2016-09-01T01:58:13 < karlp> looks more like some variables got optimized away,
2016-09-01T01:58:19 < karlp> led1 at 0x20000000 seems bogus
2016-09-01T02:02:15 < zyp> your first global will be at 0x20000000 or so, so it's a pretty fair address actually
2016-09-01T02:02:38 < zyp> try printing led1
2016-09-01T02:02:47 < zyp> p/x led1
2016-09-01T02:03:00 < karlp> led1 is after the usb pins, usb vbus pins, and the descriptors in the file.
2016-09-01T02:04:18 < zyp> heh
2016-09-01T02:04:37 < karlp> but yeah, in -Os, when it's crashed, dev_desc is at 0x20000089, and the led1 is somehow at 0x20000000 as they claimed
2016-09-01T02:04:59 < zyp> anyway, try p/x led1
2016-09-01T02:05:04 < zyp> check what it contains
2016-09-01T02:05:19 < karlp>  {g = @0xc20, n = 0x127400}
2016-09-01T02:05:37 < zyp> yeah, ok, that's obviously bogus
2016-09-01T02:05:51 < karlp> vs {g = @0x20001148, n = 0xc} for a good case
2016-09-01T02:06:04 < zyp> yeah, g is the gpio object, n is the pin number
2016-09-01T02:07:05 < karlp> well, looks like I'm in about the same place now at least as before.  can't handle ring buffers to save my life.
2016-09-01T02:07:20 < karlp> c++ looks interesting, and I reckon I could definitely write neater code with it.
2016-09-01T02:07:55 < zyp> could be a compiler bug, but I tend to triple check my own shit before I think of blaming the compiler
2016-09-01T02:07:57 < karlp> something's not quite right with the descriptors or the handlers though, linux complains about not being able to set dtr/rts and delaysopening the port, even though I'm handling set line state stuff.
2016-09-01T02:07:59 < zyp> :)
2016-09-01T02:08:19 < karlp> well -O2 works ok, as does -Og, it's only -Os that triggers it.
2016-09-01T02:08:40 < zyp> yeah, maybe one of the optimizer steps is broken
2016-09-01T02:08:44 < zyp> I've seen that before
2016-09-01T02:08:55 < zyp> not for cortex-m though
2016-09-01T02:09:31 < zyp> but at my old job, I debugged an avr32 project that turned out to be a compiler bug
2016-09-01T02:10:02 < karlp> meh, I'm currently actually not even as good as it was before yet. maybe I should take what I've learnt and go back to original libopencm3 code now.
2016-09-01T02:10:20 < karlp> another half arsed waste of time with no useful outcome.
2016-09-01T02:10:57 < zyp> learning is always useful
2016-09-01T02:12:15 < zyp> but yeah, laks isn't really mature enough that it would be very useful as is
2016-09-01T02:12:37 < zyp> I'm adding the features I need as I go, which means it'll lack all the features I've never needed yet
2016-09-01T02:17:26 < karlp> ok, one of my issues was that I was trying to handle all the control reqs with the same pattern, and your split setup/out handling means I have to do things in different places based on whether that particular control req has a data stage or not.
2016-09-01T02:17:47 < karlp> which is reasonable when you go back and look at it, but is somewhat quirky at first :)
2016-09-01T02:18:48 < zyp> yeah, it is annoying
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2016-09-01T02:32:02 < karlp> zyp: what's this mean from rblog? http://paste.jvnv.net/view/d7deu
2016-09-01T02:32:10 < karlp> I tried just casign the int to a uint32_t, but it didn't help
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2016-09-01T02:50:18 < zyp> casting should help
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2016-09-01T03:16:55 < Laurenceb__> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3765066/Are-aliens-NAZIS-Huge-crop-circle-swastika-appears-field-Wiltshire-Indian-symbol-positivity.html
2016-09-01T03:17:06 < Laurenceb__> are aliens nazis? It's more likely than you think
2016-09-01T03:18:22 < stvn> that's our stm32 news anchor
2016-09-01T03:19:07 < stvn> it's probably a jewish farmer getting trolled Laurenceb__
2016-09-01T03:19:26 < Laurenceb__> hmm maybe I should become a vlogger
2016-09-01T03:19:31 < Laurenceb__>  "news for trolls"
2016-09-01T03:19:41 < Laurenceb__> vloggers a e-cancer
2016-09-01T03:21:50 < Laurenceb__> is that you flyback?
2016-09-01T03:29:23 < englishman> Laurenceb__ reads daily mail, all is lost
2016-09-01T03:29:33 < englishman> Might as well dickstart an em:drive
2016-09-01T03:29:51 < Laurenceb__> hmm more megabux
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2016-09-01T03:29:57 < Laurenceb__> cuck reddit for emdrive dollarz
2016-09-01T03:30:25 < englishman> zano drive
2016-09-01T03:31:54 < Laurenceb__> zano powered by 4x emdrive and energy from steorn orbo
2016-09-01T03:32:25 < englishman> just throw in epi pens and cat shit medicine
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2016-09-01T04:16:42 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUsJ6BRJPrc&feature=youtu.be&t=3m45s
2016-09-01T04:37:49 < jadew> probably an old, from the time when vertical videos were in style
2016-09-01T04:38:55 < jadew> *an old video
2016-09-01T04:40:12 < jadew> Laurenceb, when is brexit going to actually happen?
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2016-09-01T05:12:33 < jadew> you know, I think that investing in GBP now might be a good idea
2016-09-01T05:12:57 < jadew> 2 years from now, when they still haven't left the EU, it will start crawling back up
2016-09-01T05:23:44 < upgrdman> or you could invest in something that'll pay more and sooner too
2016-09-01T05:24:11 < upgrdman> shit, telecom tends to be 4.5% dividends + modest principal growth + fairly stable
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2016-09-01T06:21:20 < stvn> are you prepared to die for IRC
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2016-09-01T06:41:47 < stvn> Laurenceb: you alive?
2016-09-01T06:54:39 < stvn> minimelf
2016-09-01T06:57:24 < stvn> china can't even make a fucking 4148
2016-09-01T06:57:42 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rNQuT51Z/IMG_3633.mp4
2016-09-01T06:57:47 < ReadErr> lol japtenis
2016-09-01T06:59:29 < stvn> should i look?
2016-09-01T07:01:16 < stvn> wow
2016-09-01T07:01:22 < stvn> so that's why dongs went to japan?
2016-09-01T07:01:27 < englishman> drt
2016-09-01T07:01:28 < englishman> crt
2016-09-01T07:01:30 < englishman> https://np.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/50es2p/can_we_post_porn/d73hbo9?context=3
2016-09-01T07:01:33 < stvn> sup
2016-09-01T07:01:35 < englishman> how much to fix my headphones
2016-09-01T07:02:03 < englishman> the cord broke on my sennheiser orpheus after 7 months
2016-09-01T07:02:10 < englishman> like every other sennheiser ever
2016-09-01T07:02:22 < stvn> just get a spare from sennheiser and fit it
2016-09-01T07:02:23 < englishman> should i just get a new one
2016-09-01T07:02:49 < englishman> but it wont be the palladium plated beryllium vacuum reinforced wide soundstage Orpheus cord
2016-09-01T07:02:59 < stvn> most of the customers i serve have snapped a plastic part which costs 70% of the going rate for the product + ~$100 for me to fit it
2016-09-01T07:03:08 < stvn> lol at that
2016-09-01T07:05:24 < englishman> Tidal supports lossless FLAC 1141kbps
2016-09-01T07:05:25 < englishman> lol
2016-09-01T07:05:37 < stvn> i need minimelf 4148 diodes... do i have to buy a reel?
2016-09-01T07:05:48 < englishman> even youtube 4k has lower bitrate i bet
2016-09-01T07:06:12 < stvn> cool
2016-09-01T07:06:37 < englishman> wtf is minimilf
2016-09-01T07:07:25 < stvn> mini-melf
2016-09-01T07:07:30 < englishman> digikey shows like 11 different lines for that
2016-09-01T07:07:40 < stvn> oh well, i just ordered 2500 lol
2016-09-01T07:07:41 < englishman> 15-21c cdn singles
2016-09-01T07:07:44 < stvn> to fix one mixer.
2016-09-01T07:07:56 < stvn> also i know this is a common problem... yolo
2016-09-01T07:08:20 < stvn> if you ever need some 4148s in minimelf you know who to message now
2016-09-01T07:08:35 < englishman> digikey
2016-09-01T07:08:39 < englishman> still gonna be digikey
2016-09-01T07:09:25 < stvn> nah i want them tomorrow
2016-09-01T07:11:25 < stvn> if i order before 4pm today I'll have them tomorrow before noon
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2016-09-01T08:07:53 < stvn> lol
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2016-09-01T08:34:27 < englishman> doesn't digikey overnight to prison colonies
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2016-09-01T09:11:10 < stvn> englishman: maybe
2016-09-01T09:11:31 < stvn> couldn't be fucked re-entering 20 lines into some other site
2016-09-01T09:12:00 < stvn> i'd rather vape
2016-09-01T09:12:07 < stvn> they call me the 5000mA vape king yo
2016-09-01T09:12:28 < englishman> maybe youd prefer to program on a 1-bit mcu http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/motorola/mc14500b/mc14500brev3.pdf
2016-09-01T09:13:07 < stvn> https://www.findchips.com/search/mc14500
2016-09-01T09:13:59 < stvn> what a great day
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2016-09-01T09:28:21 < Rob235> goodnight
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2016-09-01T09:30:42 < bartekww> :D
2016-09-01T09:30:46 < bartekww> 8.30 here
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2016-09-01T12:37:27 < karlp> I decided I'd been missing dongs kickstarter mining, so dug up some gems https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2035981906/shower-pulse?ref=category_newest
2016-09-01T12:43:49 < karlp> though, this is more in line with the channels favourites on awesome tech.  Laurenceb: these guys have mastered battery chemistry it seems ;)
2016-09-01T12:43:52 < karlp> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/969473675/battery-less-vehicle-jump-starter?ref=category_newest
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2016-09-01T13:13:00 < Steffann> You makr decisions like this often karlp?
2016-09-01T13:15:41 < jpa-> true makr attitude
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2016-09-01T13:19:02 < PeterM> karlp i hear the first one is very popular with women
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2016-09-01T14:13:03 < kakimir> no punpin now
2016-09-01T14:18:33 < Laurenceb>  smart led display
2016-09-01T14:18:44 < Laurenceb>  reactivating of physical method
2016-09-01T14:19:00 < kakimir> you physically pumpin this device Laurenceb ?
2016-09-01T14:19:12 < Laurenceb> lulyup
2016-09-01T14:19:58 < kakimir> pics
2016-09-01T14:21:07 < Laurenceb> check karlp link
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2016-09-01T14:30:32 < Laurenceb> https://i.reddituploads.com/9b6a0d7ee23048bd9bd34e0f5de6aecd?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=d07730a9dd4f505e29e6d19d11eba60e
2016-09-01T14:30:40 < Laurenceb> crazy guy is building hyperloop
2016-09-01T14:30:56 < Laurenceb> inb4 is crushes as soon as air is pumped out
2016-09-01T14:32:14 < jpa-> is that hyperloop for dwarfs?
2016-09-01T14:33:02 < Laurenceb> apparently its 1.8m diameter
2016-09-01T14:33:15 < Laurenceb> easily big enough for two side by side seats
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2016-09-01T14:38:37 < kakimir> Laurenceb: is that hyperloop?
2016-09-01T14:38:45 < Laurenceb> yes
2016-09-01T14:38:59 < kakimir> backed by musk?
2016-09-01T14:39:07 < Laurenceb> built by Musk
2016-09-01T14:39:16 < kakimir> really?
2016-09-01T14:39:16 < Laurenceb> nobody else cares aiui
2016-09-01T14:39:18 < Laurenceb> yup
2016-09-01T14:39:26 < kakimir> how long track?
2016-09-01T14:39:29 < emeryth> staright to mars
2016-09-01T14:39:37 < Laurenceb> a few km - test track aiui
2016-09-01T14:39:58 < Laurenceb> he seems to have stolen the public road O_o
2016-09-01T14:40:13 < kakimir> fuck public roads - he is elon musk
2016-09-01T14:40:22 < Laurenceb> lul accurate
2016-09-01T14:41:23 < kakimir> is that made of sewer tubing?
2016-09-01T14:42:00 < Laurenceb> no gas pipe
2016-09-01T14:42:07 < Laurenceb> thunderf00t says no
2016-09-01T14:42:10 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk
2016-09-01T14:43:53 < Laurenceb> lul thunderf00t hates it even more than me
2016-09-01T14:44:06 < Laurenceb>  "worse than solar roadways"
2016-09-01T14:49:40 < kakimir> I say it will work
2016-09-01T14:49:55 < kakimir> how much per one pipe?
2016-09-01T14:50:35 < Laurenceb> about $1k
2016-09-01T14:50:47 < kakimir> are you serious?
2016-09-01T14:50:50 < kakimir> 1k?
2016-09-01T14:50:56 < kakimir> that's like.. nothin
2016-09-01T14:51:05 < Laurenceb> yeah those pipes are crazy cheap
2016-09-01T14:51:10 < Laurenceb> about $200/meter
2016-09-01T14:51:35 < Laurenceb> but I'd never trust one with a vacuum, they are designed for gas and oil
2016-09-01T14:51:42 < Laurenceb> so pressurized
2016-09-01T14:52:07 < kakimir> it's matter of making sealing to work
2016-09-01T14:52:20 < kakimir> pipe itself probably wont care
2016-09-01T14:52:24 < Laurenceb> thats called welding
2016-09-01T14:52:31 < Laurenceb> but expansion is a pain
2016-09-01T14:52:46 < kakimir> I mean because you can't weld it like that
2016-09-01T14:52:54 < Laurenceb> actually
2016-09-01T14:53:13 < Laurenceb> on the video it seems to have expansion joints
2016-09-01T14:53:34 < Laurenceb> they probably use silicone or similar to seal it and allow for expansion
2016-09-01T14:53:42 < Laurenceb> s/video/photo
2016-09-01T14:54:58 < kakimir> how are oil tubes expansion dealed with?
2016-09-01T14:55:03 < kakimir> S-turns?
2016-09-01T14:55:39 < Laurenceb> yes
2016-09-01T14:55:46 < Sync> bellows or meanders, yes
2016-09-01T14:56:36 < Laurenceb> concrete sewer pipe is still a bit cheaper in bulk and  comes certified to 2bar compressive pressure
2016-09-01T14:57:04 < Sync> it also leaks like mofo
2016-09-01T14:57:23 < Laurenceb> spray inside with resin
2016-09-01T14:57:29 < Sync> great, now you have outgassing
2016-09-01T14:57:45 < Sync> using steel tube is not that bad
2016-09-01T14:57:47 < Laurenceb> at 1kPa its not a disaster
2016-09-01T14:57:49 < kakimir> resin cost Laurenceb
2016-09-01T14:58:05 < kakimir> more that that concrete tube I bet
2016-09-01T14:58:07 < Laurenceb> there are cheap resins
2016-09-01T14:58:24 < kakimir> concrete costs
2016-09-01T14:58:45 < jpa-> IIRC hyperloop is not even supposed to be hard vacuum
2016-09-01T14:58:51 < jpa-> so outgassing hardly matters
2016-09-01T14:59:12 < jpa-> and the concrete might not leak too much either
2016-09-01T14:59:34 < jpa-> can always coat with some cheap polymer in a factory
2016-09-01T14:59:36 < Laurenceb> its actually poss to build a high vacuum chamber from only concrete
2016-09-01T15:00:06 < Laurenceb> if you can pump down fast enough, the pores choke at low pressure, and the leak rate becomes v low
2016-09-01T15:00:18 < Sync> yeah, but it is not ideal
2016-09-01T15:00:40 < Sync> hoop stress is a joke even if you pump the tube out
2016-09-01T15:00:45 < Sync> at 22mm wall thickness
2016-09-01T15:01:17 < kakimir> what they make those oil pipes from?
2016-09-01T15:01:28 < jpa-> steel
2016-09-01T15:01:30 < Laurenceb> helical welded steel
2016-09-01T15:01:42 < Laurenceb> sheet comes in, pipe goes out
2016-09-01T15:01:47 < Laurenceb> thats why its so cheap
2016-09-01T15:02:24 < kakimir> it's like the price was derived straight from kilogram price of scrap steel
2016-09-01T15:02:41 < Laurenceb> yeah it's only slightly more expensive than scrap steel
2016-09-01T15:03:00 < Sync> the guy also fails to realize that there are vacuum seals that do not have moving parts
2016-09-01T15:03:21 < Laurenceb> heh thunderf00t did go a bit ott
2016-09-01T15:03:32 < Laurenceb> you can see the expansion joints in the photo
2016-09-01T15:03:37 < kakimir> why not burry hyperloop in sand?
2016-09-01T15:03:54 < Laurenceb> wut would that achieve
2016-09-01T15:04:21 < kakimir> 1meter sand over it and it stabilizes the tube thermally
2016-09-01T15:04:26 < Laurenceb> oh
2016-09-01T15:04:37 < Laurenceb> who cares, just use expansion joints
2016-09-01T15:05:04 < Sync> yeah just throw in a few bellows and done
2016-09-01T15:05:05 < Laurenceb> I'd still use concrete tube but who cares...
2016-09-01T15:05:19 < kakimir> also gives protection against physical disturbances outside
2016-09-01T15:05:26 < Laurenceb> if they can find a way to certify that cheap helical tube for vacuum...
2016-09-01T15:05:27 < Sync> I don't see why Laurenceb
2016-09-01T15:05:44 < Laurenceb> Sync: cheaper and certified for vacuum
2016-09-01T15:05:46 < jpa-> steel tube will buckle, concrete tube won't
2016-09-01T15:06:08 < kakimir> it only takes a lorry to hit that tube straight on and it's bent?
2016-09-01T15:06:30 < Laurenceb> well, lorry could crush concrete
2016-09-01T15:06:48 < Sync> well "certified", are you suggesting that I cannot use my stainless piping that only has a pressure rating in my vacuum chambers?
2016-09-01T15:06:48 < kakimir> and bend oiltube?
2016-09-01T15:06:49 < jpa-> it only takes a hammer to dent that pipe and after that it could implode pretty hard
2016-09-01T15:06:52 < Laurenceb> but a small dent in steel would cause whole tube to destabilise and crush
2016-09-01T15:06:55 < Sync> because if so, then I have bad news for you
2016-09-01T15:06:56 < Laurenceb> yeah
2016-09-01T15:07:15 < Laurenceb> one hit with a sledgehammer and the pipe will prob implode
2016-09-01T15:07:24 < jpa-> Sync: if it is thick enough, sure, you could probably get it even certified if you had the money
2016-09-01T15:07:30 < kakimir> feel the G
2016-09-01T15:07:40 < jpa-> but that thin steel pipe really doesn't feel like a good vacuum container
2016-09-01T15:07:48 < Laurenceb> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Zz95_VvTxZM/hqdefault.jpg
2016-09-01T15:07:56 < kakimir> what is thickness of that tube?
2016-09-01T15:07:56 < Laurenceb> ^hyperloop after pumping down
2016-09-01T15:08:02 < jpa-> as the shape is the only thing that holds the pressure, and the shape is easily disturbed
2016-09-01T15:08:06 < Laurenceb> kakimir: 12.7mm iirc
2016-09-01T15:08:16 < Laurenceb> there is a "datasheet" for it
2016-09-01T15:08:31 < jpa-> hm, thicker than i expected
2016-09-01T15:08:35 < kakimir> that tank probably is not 12,7?
2016-09-01T15:08:59 < Laurenceb> you can work out buckling stability
2016-09-01T15:09:03 < Lux> Laurenceb: heh, I saw that pic in one of my first physics lectures :-)
2016-09-01T15:09:13 < kakimir> and a lots of bigger by size
2016-09-01T15:09:18 < Laurenceb> if the cheap as shit pipe meets typical structural steel spec
2016-09-01T15:09:26 < Laurenceb> then safety factor is about 2
2016-09-01T15:09:44 < Lux> I wonder why they don't use concrete to back it
2016-09-01T15:09:50 < Laurenceb> but once it gets a bit distorted the safety factor falls exponentially
2016-09-01T15:09:53 < Lux> should be possible somehow
2016-09-01T15:10:08 < jpa-> why bother with the steel in the first place?
2016-09-01T15:10:20 < Laurenceb> concrete sewer pipe has safety of about 10, and needs much more distortion as its so much thinker
2016-09-01T15:10:23 < Laurenceb> *thicker
2016-09-01T15:10:30 < Lux> probably cheap and easy to mass produce
2016-09-01T15:10:47 < Lux> I bet that steel pipe is some off the shelf product
2016-09-01T15:10:48 < Laurenceb> jpa-: yeah, especially as they could use pretty much off the shelf sewer pipe
2016-09-01T15:10:53 < Laurenceb> Lux: yes it is
2016-09-01T15:10:56 < jpa-> Laurenceb: also concrete pipe won't distort.. it will just get a hole and at that point the vacuum is lost
2016-09-01T15:11:09 < Lux> those pipes are also used a lot for hydropower
2016-09-01T15:11:20 < Laurenceb> Lux: you can find prices on alibaba
2016-09-01T15:11:39 < Lux> cheap chinese steel :/
2016-09-01T15:11:39 < jpa-> it'll probably throw some rocks inside the pipe but the whole structure won't go haywire
2016-09-01T15:11:41 < Laurenceb> that helix steel oil/gas pipe is crazy cheap
2016-09-01T15:11:54 < Sync> jpa-: I designed vacuum chambers, there is no real need to certify anything, there are some guidelines to follow tho
2016-09-01T15:12:18 < Laurenceb> but people have to travel down it...
2016-09-01T15:12:26 < jpa-> Sync: certifying stuff matters once there is lifes and/or lots of capital involved.. like in hyperloop
2016-09-01T15:13:14 < kakimir> what if there is 10cm dent in hyperloop tube?
2016-09-01T15:13:15 < Sync> there is lots of capital involved in my chambers
2016-09-01T15:13:44 < kakimir> will all passengers die?
2016-09-01T15:13:54 < jpa-> Sync: lots, as in millions?
2016-09-01T15:15:05 < jpa-> kakimir: well, it'd likely fail at the moment a vehicle is passing by the dent, so people in that vehicle would be in pretty big risk; but that's just a few people with hyperloop
2016-09-01T15:15:27 < Sync> yes jpa-
2016-09-01T15:16:00 < Sync> but yeah, the whole repressurization is a joke imho
2016-09-01T15:16:04 < Laurenceb> <kakimir> what if there is 10cm dent in hyperloop tube?
2016-09-01T15:16:08 < kakimir> make pod inside pod
2016-09-01T15:16:15 < Laurenceb> with that steel tube the whole thing would crush
2016-09-01T15:16:23 < kakimir> matroska pod
2016-09-01T15:17:11 < Sync> not sure actually, they have hoops at regular intervals
2016-09-01T15:17:18 < Laurenceb> but the stupidest thing about hyperloop is the air bearing thing
2016-09-01T15:17:28 < jpa-> just crush until next seam or similar
2016-09-01T15:17:38 < Laurenceb> well yeah
2016-09-01T15:17:45 < Laurenceb> one pipe section would fail
2016-09-01T15:18:09 < Laurenceb> the air bearings will require a jet engine level compressor per pod
2016-09-01T15:18:10 < jpa-> perhaps only until next helical seam
2016-09-01T15:18:11 < kakimir> thoy could make emergency doors that fall if there is failure in tube
2016-09-01T15:18:28 < Laurenceb> and the cooling in the white paper has fudges maths
2016-09-01T15:18:36 < jpa-> doors? i doubt the problem is getting out, the problem is stopping
2016-09-01T15:18:38 < Laurenceb> kakimir: evacuation can be solved...
2016-09-01T15:18:42 < Laurenceb> with explosives
2016-09-01T15:18:45 < kakimir> guillotine
2016-09-01T15:18:53 < Laurenceb> stopping is easy
2016-09-01T15:18:57 < Laurenceb> more explosives
2016-09-01T15:19:04 < kakimir> rocket engines
2016-09-01T15:19:14 < kakimir> emergency brake rockets
2016-09-01T15:19:15 < Laurenceb> nah just explosively deployed breaks
2016-09-01T15:19:20 < Laurenceb> *brakes
2016-09-01T15:19:26 < Laurenceb> on the sides of the pods
2016-09-01T15:20:36 < kakimir> hmm explode the tube and deploy wing to pod
2016-09-01T15:20:45 < kakimir> and fly home
2016-09-01T15:20:52 < Laurenceb> lol
2016-09-01T15:21:06 < Sync> Laurenceb: don't be so sure, air bearings can use suprisingly low volumes
2016-09-01T15:21:26 < Laurenceb> this guy tried to fix it
2016-09-01T15:21:27 < Laurenceb> http://ambivalentengineer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/hyperloop-heat-balance-fixed.html
2016-09-01T15:23:33 < Laurenceb> or just use conventional electric rail with interconnections between the tubes
2016-09-01T15:25:54 < Sync> I wonder how they are going to pump the shit down
2016-09-01T15:28:35 < Laurenceb> I think Oerlikon Leybold Vacuum offered to get involved and donate some kit
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2016-09-01T15:32:19 < Sync> sure but they need a shitload of roots pumps to keep that thing pumped down
2016-09-01T15:32:28 < Sync> if not they have weeks of downtime should something leak
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2016-09-01T15:43:00 < sterna> has anyone ever had a problem with interrupt lines on GPIOE?
2016-09-01T15:43:23 < sterna> I'm using an F407 and triggering interrupts (EXTI) on some inputs
2016-09-01T15:43:51 < sterna> all interrupts are configured the exact same way
2016-09-01T15:44:33 < sterna> the only difference I can find between the working and not working ones is that the on that doesn't work is located on PE7, and no other interrupt is on PE
2016-09-01T15:44:59 < sterna> I'm however using PA7, so I know that the EXTI9-5 interrupt works
2016-09-01T15:45:22 < sterna> the pin works fine in normal mode, i.e. I can read the raw data from the port
2016-09-01T15:45:44 < sterna> anyone has any idea on what the problem could be?
2016-09-01T15:46:12 < sterna> like if portE doesn't support interrupts or something
2016-09-01T15:58:32 < Steffann> Using hal or.. ? Have code to share?
2016-09-01T15:59:16 < Steffann> ST cube hal *
2016-09-01T16:10:04 < sterna> sstdperiph
2016-09-01T16:10:49 < sterna> a moment and I'll put up some code
2016-09-01T16:13:46 < sterna> http://paste.debian.net/801011/
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2016-09-01T16:14:21 < sterna> I'm using a parametric system, where I have structs for all my settings
2016-09-01T16:14:40 < sterna> thi function is called once for every pin and interrupt I'm using
2016-09-01T16:14:59 < sterna> and the only difference between them is that the one that does not work is on GPIOE
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2016-09-01T16:24:59 < sterna> ok, apparently, it doesn't work if I configure the same line several times (if I have an interrupt on PA7, the interrupt on PE7 stops working)
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2016-09-01T16:35:38 < Steffann> Afaik it supposed to do that. You cannot connect the same line of the exti to multiple ports
2016-09-01T16:35:58 < Laurenceb> oops spacex blew up
2016-09-01T16:36:04 < stvn> wut
2016-09-01T16:36:26 < sterna> I double-checked the reference manual, and it seems to be the case
2016-09-01T16:36:26 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrRX58bWEAArnMs.jpg
2016-09-01T16:36:57 < sterna> so, basically, I cannot use PA7 and PE7 at the same time
2016-09-01T16:37:00 < sterna> bummer
2016-09-01T16:37:18 < sterna> fortuntaly, I can possibly skip this
2016-09-01T16:39:40 < Laurenceb> and the trolls arrive
2016-09-01T16:39:42 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/740kdev/status/771336141370949632
2016-09-01T16:41:57 < stvn> wtf is this
2016-09-01T16:44:02 < Laurenceb> Harambe
2016-09-01T16:44:04 < Laurenceb> http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/countdown/video/chan4large.jpg
2016-09-01T16:44:30 < stvn> ok
2016-09-01T16:45:29 < stvn> harambe is cool
2016-09-01T16:45:42 < Laurenceb> http://kscwmserv1.ksc.nasa.gov/channel4
2016-09-01T16:46:50 < karlp> sterna: you can use them, just not as separte exti's
2016-09-01T16:46:58 < karlp> and yeah, it's kinda a sucky situation
2016-09-01T16:47:24 < sterna> I can use the pins, yes, but not as external interrupts at the same time
2016-09-01T16:47:46 < sterna> if they both would trigger thesame interrupt it would be doable
2016-09-01T16:48:31 < stvn> trigger
2016-09-01T16:48:45 < Laurenceb> triggering intensifies
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2016-09-01T16:57:20 < stvn> hmmmm
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2016-09-01T19:11:44 < Laurenceb> http://ssdv.bristol-seds.co.uk/2016/08/09/ubsedl.html
2016-09-01T19:18:20 < Laurenceb> mad skillz
2016-09-01T19:18:21 < Laurenceb> http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/hab/flight/2016/08/29/ubseds20.html
2016-09-01T19:20:25 < qyx> too much rpi
2016-09-01T19:20:32 < Laurenceb> heh
2016-09-01T19:20:52 < Laurenceb> BPG with forward error correction is pretty epic
2016-09-01T19:21:49 < Laurenceb> the raw file sizes are like 1 to 2k
2016-09-01T19:21:54 < qyx> ou, it passed nearby
2016-09-01T19:22:00 < Laurenceb> http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/assets/flights/20/UBSEDL_2016-08-29T10-24-37_3.png
2016-09-01T19:22:06 < Laurenceb> crazy quality
2016-09-01T19:24:08 < Laurenceb> yeah pity about the pi part, aiui BPG should compile for cortex but prob has crazy high memory use
2016-09-01T19:24:52 < qyx> what is bpg
2016-09-01T19:25:08 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Portable_Graphics
2016-09-01T19:25:31 < qyx> aha
2016-09-01T19:26:21 < Laurenceb> but ubseds have modified it to incorporate forward error correction and allow block loss
2016-09-01T19:26:48 < Laurenceb> aiui the modified version can handle loss of small blocks with so image corruption
2016-09-01T19:26:52 < Laurenceb> *some
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2016-09-01T19:48:52 < Steffann> moar sexy photos for englishmen and tectu https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/c4V6E8hA/moar+sexy+photos+for+englishman.jpg
2016-09-01T19:49:52 < Sync> 11/10 would eat
2016-09-01T19:50:06 < Steffann> Dont mind the keyboard ;)
2016-09-01T20:01:15 < mitrax> Steffann: how long will that last?
2016-09-01T20:01:24 < Steffanx> 2 months.
2016-09-01T20:01:31 < Steffanx> + a week
2016-09-01T20:01:42 < Steffanx> or do you mean before i ate it all?
2016-09-01T20:01:52 < mitrax> yes
2016-09-01T20:02:17 < mitrax> how long til you've eaten everything
2016-09-01T20:02:30 < Steffanx> i was not going to.
2016-09-01T20:04:55 < mitrax> damn you, i'm hungry now
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2016-09-01T20:25:01 < Steffanx> ever had stroopwafels mitrax?
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2016-09-01T20:35:23 < englishman> omfg Steffanx
2016-09-01T20:35:46 < englishman> i didnt know you used a mac
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2016-09-01T20:45:57 < Tectu> o/
2016-09-01T20:47:33 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30981.0;attach=1364062;image
2016-09-01T20:47:37 < Laurenceb> negative launch
2016-09-01T20:48:02 < Tectu> that looks like a picture of brexit
2016-09-01T20:48:26 < Laurenceb> the payload is Britain?
2016-09-01T20:48:32 < Laurenceb> explosion is EU amirite
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2016-09-01T20:58:59 < emeb> mmm... stroopwafels.
2016-09-01T20:59:59 < emeb> but wtf is that chocolate thing at the bottom of the stack?
2016-09-01T21:01:12 < Steffanx> Chocolate caramel waffle.
2016-09-01T21:01:16 < Steffanx> had to buy that because discount :P
2016-09-01T21:01:29 < Steffanx> and no more stroopwafels is stock.
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2016-09-01T21:02:25 < Steffanx> like this emeb http://cdn.comban-cirampong.savviihq.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Banketgroep_nieuws-choco-caramelwafels.jpg
2016-09-01T21:03:16 < Tectu> I want to put that in my mouth and swallow it.
2016-09-01T21:05:13 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/a/WXKge
2016-09-01T21:05:38 < emeb> Steffanx: chocolate & stroopwafel would probably be a good combination
2016-09-01T21:05:39 < Steffanx> where is the video Laurenceb?
2016-09-01T21:05:53 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgJEXQkjNQ&feature=youtu.be
2016-09-01T21:06:20 < Steffanx> nice boom
2016-09-01T21:06:55 < basepusher> stroopwafels too good! stroopwafels in america suck though
2016-09-01T21:08:03 < emeb> poor spacex.
2016-09-01T21:08:11 < emeb> rockets are hard
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2016-09-01T21:49:50 < englishman> 'fire anomaly' lol
2016-09-01T21:50:35 < englishman> when i ran into that orphanage drunk driving
2016-09-01T21:50:41 < englishman> that was just a 'jack daniels anomaly'
2016-09-01T21:50:43 < englishman> sorry kids
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2016-09-01T21:53:06 < englishman> Laurenceb: is there a video with a voiceover of some science dude calmly going overpressure... lost sensor readings... experiencing suboptimal event...
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2016-09-01T22:03:58 < Steffanx> long time no see ranewen. How are you?
2016-09-01T22:04:50 < englishman> lol, dongs blew up jewsat
2016-09-01T22:06:31 < englishman> hm that was partially built in montreal
2016-09-01T22:06:44 < Steffanx> canuck.
2016-09-01T22:06:47 < Steffanx> ed
2016-09-01T22:07:00 < englishman> oui
2016-09-01T22:07:12 < englishman> Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgJEXQkjNQ&feature=youtu.be
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2016-09-01T23:58:29 < kakimir> bad day at spaceX
2016-09-01T23:58:49 < kakimir> I need something to turn my laptop screen even darker
2016-09-01T23:59:32 < kakimir> it's minimized and I have f.lux to peefy colors after dark but it's still like intense light
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2016-09-02T00:04:02 < englishman> put on sunglasses
2016-09-02T00:06:50 < kakimir> I will sleep on them sunglasses
2016-09-02T00:07:03 < kakimir> 1) have to be robbust
2016-09-02T00:07:14 < kakimir> 2) have to be inexpencive
2016-09-02T00:07:37 < kakimir> 3) sun in not shining and I don't have sunglasses
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2016-09-02T00:12:04 < englishman> you dont wear your sunglasses at night?
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2016-09-02T00:20:44 < kakimir> I'm not that cool
2016-09-02T00:21:00 < kakimir> sorry for breaking that illusion
2016-09-02T00:22:18 < Steffann> https://youtu.be/X2LTL8KgKv8 kakimir song
2016-09-02T00:23:40 < kakimir> f.lux has shortcut keys for adjusting brightness
2016-09-02T00:23:44 < kakimir> nice
2016-09-02T00:23:57 < kakimir> appart from the physical light source of display
2016-09-02T00:25:07 < kakimir> alt + pagedn
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2016-09-02T00:27:44 < englishman> where is tektu
2016-09-02T00:27:54 < englishman> i need some ugfx luv
2016-09-02T00:28:22 < zyp> idk, I tried talking to him and he just said he had to go and quit
2016-09-02T00:28:28 < zyp> so I might have scared him away
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2016-09-02T00:28:48 < englishman> >;(
2016-09-02T00:32:19 < englishman> all his stuff is mixed tab/space
2016-09-02T00:32:27 < englishman> completely unusable, i tell ya
2016-09-02T00:33:39 < zyp> yeah, convert it to all tabs
2016-09-02T00:33:47 < englishman>                 noooooooooooooooooooooo
2016-09-02T00:33:52 < zyp> :D
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2016-09-02T00:44:26 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iguh9e3G/
2016-09-02T00:44:32 < ReadErr> Laurenceb's manifesto
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2016-09-02T01:10:22 < Laurenceb__> lulwtf
2016-09-02T01:10:24 < Laurenceb__> https://facebook.com/zuck/posts/10103074463098101
2016-09-02T01:10:56 < englishman> sorry jewbro but 'facebook' is not the internet
2016-09-02T01:12:51 < Laurenceb__> Spacex blew up facebooks interweb cuz they suck
2016-09-02T01:13:08 < Laurenceb__> Aquila drone will fix this
2016-09-02T01:13:40 < Laurenceb__> I think Zuck is more retarded than Zano
2016-09-02T01:13:45 < englishman> we remain committed to shoving facebooks shitty platform in your fucking face
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2016-09-02T01:15:14 < scummos> "Mark Zuckerberg The problem isn't the money; it's that now it may take longer to connect people."
2016-09-02T01:15:17 < scummos> lol he sounds like a borg
2016-09-02T01:15:47 < scummos> braaa must connecct ... everything ... grunt
2016-09-02T01:16:46 < englishman> i cant help but think of day of the tentacle every time i see your nick
2016-09-02T01:17:11 < Laurenceb__> sounds like a jap porno
2016-09-02T01:18:08 < scummos> mine? how is it relatable to that movie?
2016-09-02T01:18:50 < englishman> movie?
2016-09-02T01:19:23 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUMM
2016-09-02T01:19:24 < scummos> oh, right, the movie was "the era of the tentacle"
2016-09-02T01:19:33 < scummos> I don't know the game, sorry ;) too young for it
2016-09-02T01:19:44 < scummos> but I have heard about the game engine
2016-09-02T01:23:07 < ReadErr> englishman: I better win a trollie for this shit
2016-09-02T01:23:19 < englishman> i dono
2016-09-02T01:23:23 < englishman> i think everyone should stop
2016-09-02T01:23:28 < englishman> and let his imagination do the rest
2016-09-02T01:23:30 < englishman> til tomorrrow
2016-09-02T01:23:34 < ReadErr> oh it has
2016-09-02T01:23:43 < ReadErr> hes hitting his dad up for $500
2016-09-02T01:23:48 < englishman> lol
2016-09-02T01:23:50 < ReadErr> and is going to a hotel
2016-09-02T01:24:37 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS1_1GkeTnI
2016-09-02T01:24:51 < ReadErr> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/YxOjAead/
2016-09-02T01:25:26 < englishman> who is this cat
2016-09-02T01:26:01 < ReadErr> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kvpTPlRl/
2016-09-02T01:26:29 < ReadErr> some efnetter
2016-09-02T01:28:06 < ReadErr> 11:05 PM <neur0> hey retard just told security @ hilton where your sitting, enjoy
2016-09-02T01:28:06 < ReadErr> Saturday, August 27th, 2016
2016-09-02T01:28:20 < englishman> yeah i remember that
2016-09-02T01:28:25 < englishman> guess hes new
2016-09-02T01:28:33 < ReadErr> sloth got really upset
2016-09-02T01:28:40 < ReadErr> starting hitting folks up
2016-09-02T01:28:54 < ReadErr> then shit kinda escalated from there
2016-09-02T01:29:15 < ReadErr> either way, should be a solid LRH!
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2016-09-02T01:42:21 < Laurenceb__> https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9601415&cid=52810231
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2016-09-02T01:49:19 < englishman> nice post Laurenceb__
2016-09-02T01:50:52 < karlp> hehe, actually true even...
2016-09-02T01:55:41 < Laurenceb__> irony: http://hackaday.com/2016/08/31/working-for-elon-musk/
2016-09-02T02:13:15 < karlp> zyp: what could couls rblog to be truncated to just the last entry?
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2016-09-02T02:19:45 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/vzwCPR.png
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2016-09-02T02:23:23 < karlp> hah, rblog is great still, tells me I'm nakking, in the right place, but must have failed to implement that properly, as it didn't nak.
2016-09-02T02:23:26 < karlp> actual progress, yay
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2016-09-02T02:37:05 < englishman> jesus christ, copypasted aidsfruit code in ugfx
2016-09-02T02:37:17 < englishman> violating all sorts of license shit no doubt
2016-09-02T02:37:19 < englishman> i should sue
2016-09-02T02:37:33 < englishman> no wonder Tektu isnt here
2016-09-02T02:37:46 < englishman> probably hiding in some mountain with his bang of gold teeth
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2016-09-02T02:41:06 < englishman> mixed indentation too
2016-09-02T02:41:40 < englishman> $2k for this illegal soft
2016-09-02T02:41:50 < englishman> still cant afford astyle
2016-09-02T02:42:46 < englishman> not just mixed indents in different functions
2016-09-02T02:42:52 < englishman> in the *same function*
2016-09-02T02:46:02 < karlp> zyp: help plz :) http://paste.jvnv.net/view/nwjRE
2016-09-02T02:48:05 < Laurenceb__> lul this is why we have software licenses
2016-09-02T02:48:50 < Laurenceb__> hopefully nobody uses plagarism software on my codez
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2016-09-02T03:28:30 < stvn> pleece
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2016-09-02T05:58:45 < ReadErr> englishman: dis gon be good
2016-09-02T05:59:14 < englishman> too bad im outta town tomorrow nite
2016-09-02T05:59:29 < stvn> i'll tape it
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2016-09-02T06:14:41 < ReadErr> stvn: you been following?
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2016-09-02T06:23:58 < upgrdman> any opengl pros in here?
2016-09-02T06:25:35 < aandrew> does anyone have an SK5812mini footprint/3d model they would be able to share?
2016-09-02T06:33:13 < upgrdman> lol http://inutile.club/estatis/password-security-checker/
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2016-09-02T07:54:55 < stvn> You just disclosed password "nigger" to an untrusted third party (us). You have no way to find out what we intend to do with it. Maybe we logged it and intend to publish it or to use it against you? For this reason, password "nigger" is now compromised. It is therefore insecure and should not be used in any situation.
2016-09-02T07:55:07 < stvn> oh...
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2016-09-02T09:02:05 < Steffanx> Englishmen .. Show the codes. Want to see it for myself
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2016-09-02T09:21:38 < upgrdman> damn, youtube can do 4k *at 60hz* ... fucking amazeballs
2016-09-02T09:22:19 < upgrdman> now if canon would make a consumer dslr that can do 4k60 :/
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2016-09-02T09:31:01 < kakimir> morning pumps
2016-09-02T09:37:27 < upgrdman> morning. whats kak'ing
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2016-09-02T09:41:45 < kakimir> got my mouser order stuff - christmas every day
2016-09-02T09:43:48 < zyp> karlp, hmm, I've looked through your code, can't really see why it doesn't work
2016-09-02T09:45:15 < zyp> you're not logging when hw_set_nak() is changing stuff, but I don't think that would make a difference
2016-09-02T09:45:58 < zyp> I mean, I can't see why it would be called to clear nak
2016-09-02T09:46:13 < zyp> so I don't think that's what happens, something is going wrong elsewhere
2016-09-02T09:49:15 < zyp> I'll see if I have time and access to hardware during the weekend
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2016-09-02T11:25:17 < kakimir> anyone have used bts555?
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2016-09-02T11:30:59 < PeterM> not that specific one but other infineon smart switches yes
2016-09-02T11:35:22 < kakimir> it has IN pin and IS pin?
2016-09-02T11:36:56 < PeterM> yes?
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2016-09-02T11:47:24 < kakimir> I have trouble undestanding all this output clamping stuff
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2016-09-02T11:48:56 < kakimir> oh I understood stuff now
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2016-09-02T11:49:11 < PeterM> its not hard.
2016-09-02T11:49:41 < kakimir> it had seperate on clamping and off clamping and one diode in IS pin affects off clamping stuff
2016-09-02T11:50:38 < kakimir> on clamping for should load become 42volts higher than voltage rail it clamps to voltage rail
2016-09-02T11:50:51 < kakimir> off clamping for inductive load -17volts
2016-09-02T11:51:33 < kakimir> but dis doesn't have ground.. it's crazy
2016-09-02T11:52:04 < kakimir> it clamps using voltage rail and uses IS or so for reference
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2016-09-02T11:54:57 < kakimir> isn't there problem that with big inductive load and lot of thermal stress it will have runaway reaction
2016-09-02T11:55:33 < kakimir> regulating in switch linear range
2016-09-02T11:56:04 < kakimir> thermal protection turns off for output clamping 8)
2016-09-02T11:57:05 < PeterM> it doesn't regulate, it clamps
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2016-09-02T11:57:31 < kakimir> sure
2016-09-02T11:57:55 < kakimir> it uses linear range of FET still?
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2016-09-02T11:59:43 < PeterM> no, it will liekyl jsut have a integrated TVS or the like
2016-09-02T12:01:23 < kakimir> not directly to load
2016-09-02T12:02:06 < kakimir> this switch is brutal - no place for whimpy diodes
2016-09-02T12:05:40 < kakimir> I bet the die will have one brutal fet in it and some whimpy logic right in one corner barelly visible
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2016-09-02T12:45:52 < karlp> zyp: thanks for taking a look at all, appreciate it.  good poitn about the explicit nak not being logged, will check that.  iirc, it was logging too much, as it either nakked or cnakked on every loop based on the tx ring depth
2016-09-02T12:46:02 < karlp> needed to only do so if it was going to change.
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2016-09-02T13:21:33 < zyp> ah, of course
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2016-09-02T13:50:04 < kakimir> my dicked lipo charges up without issues
2016-09-02T13:50:20 < kakimir> cells stay balanced after initial balancing
2016-09-02T13:55:16 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKR29kaWtGZkhaQTA/view?usp=sharing initial recovery state
2016-09-02T13:56:16 < kakimir> nice device with display that thing I bought just for this mess
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2016-09-02T14:53:31 < Steffann> Pro irc EEing
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2016-09-02T14:55:51 < kakimir> I have not uploaded a single screenshot of my latest
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2016-09-02T15:50:34 < Steffann> anton02 have some interesting quote today?
2016-09-02T15:51:21 < Steffann> *to quote
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2016-09-02T16:59:34 < bartekww> hey
2016-09-02T17:21:16 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/EabmUmy.jpg
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2016-09-02T18:19:54 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/YO709U.jpg
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2016-09-02T18:22:16 < englishman> i didnt know you had blue hair Laurenceb
2016-09-02T18:22:46 < Laurenceb> top bantz
2016-09-02T18:25:13 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq1v_3dQC00
2016-09-02T18:25:49 < Laurenceb> DevOps is a mentality. It's a culture
2016-09-02T18:28:44 < stukdev> is there a SCHEMATIC ENTRY GUIDELINES for an electric cad? like a standard name of some pins?
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2016-09-02T18:53:12 < karlp> fucking installed html/js support into netbeans, busted most of the c support.
2016-09-02T18:53:15 < karlp> so much for coexistance
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2016-09-02T19:17:55 < Laurenceb> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3769330/Syrian-refugee-Germany-dies-flames-engulf-trying-set-fire-wife-using-barbecue-lighter-fluid.html
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2016-09-02T19:46:16 < Laurenceb> typical murican family http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=359_1472812806#comment_page=2
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2016-09-02T20:03:55 < Rob235> props coming in tomorrow, might take it out for a quick fly today with the last set of plastic props
2016-09-02T20:04:44 < Rob235> gotta get off my lazy ass though
2016-09-02T20:04:49 < Rob235> whats everyone up to
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2016-09-02T20:19:40 < jadew> I just installed a theme in Atom and one of my custom key binding stopped working
2016-09-02T20:19:45 < jadew> ah, scroll
2016-09-02T20:19:46 < jadew> sorry
2016-09-02T20:20:11 < jadew> was in reply to karlp's issue
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2016-09-02T20:27:20 < Laurenceb> http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/46786/1472673799/CitizenBane.gif
2016-09-02T20:30:13 < Steffanx> Why atom over sublime text jadew?
2016-09-02T20:30:37 < Steffanx> except for free
2016-09-02T20:31:01 < Steffanx> (lets start a vi vs emacs fight)
2016-09-02T20:33:01 < jadew> Steffanx, don't know, feels nicer for some reason
2016-09-02T20:33:17 < jadew> for one, it highlights items in the folder view
2016-09-02T20:33:32 < jadew> (to indicate the git status)
2016-09-02T20:34:28 < Steffanx> i guess it did evolve a bit since last time i used it
2016-09-02T20:34:34 < Steffanx> *evolved
2016-09-02T20:34:59 < jadew> yeah, seems to get better very fast
2016-09-02T20:36:51 < Steffanx> it also has "timecop" not good.
2016-09-02T20:38:06 < Steffanx> the git time machine is nice too
2016-09-02T20:39:01 < jadew> didn't even know about that
2016-09-02T20:39:04 < jadew> looks cool
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2016-09-02T20:51:12 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/SNht2fF.png
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2016-09-02T22:20:28 < kakimir> next project will be the most simple I have ever made I think
2016-09-02T22:25:36 < kakimir> mcu connected to series of SSRs
2016-09-02T22:26:44 < kakimir> via fets
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2016-09-02T23:27:51 < bartekww> guys
2016-09-02T23:27:56 < bartekww> how can i bitbang spi
2016-09-02T23:27:59 < bartekww> on stm32
2016-09-02T23:28:05 < bartekww> i write a function
2016-09-02T23:28:18 < bartekww> but it looks weird on logic analyzer
2016-09-02T23:29:21 < zyp> ok
2016-09-02T23:29:44 < Steffanx> lol zyp.
2016-09-02T23:30:19 < bartekww> ?
2016-09-02T23:32:16 < bartekww> any working examples?
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2016-09-02T23:44:10 < kakimir> just drive pin up and down
2016-09-02T23:45:04 < kakimir> use timer or delay to create time periods
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2016-09-03T00:01:22 < Lux> bartekww: copy paste arduino stuff ?
2016-09-03T00:01:35 < Lux> it's pretty simple
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2016-09-03T00:13:10 < emeb> anyone ever worked with I2C slave mode?
2016-09-03T00:13:40 < emeb> trying to make an F030 emulate an I2C EEPROM and the example code for slave is only CPAL crap.
2016-09-03T00:13:54 < karlp> today I learned: $GIT_DIR/info/exclude (local .gitignore file to not share with friends)
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2016-09-03T00:32:26 < zyp> karlp, oh, neat
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2016-09-03T00:33:43 < zyp> would be convenient if project maintainer is being shitty about accepting .gitignore changes, or if you're using weird tools that creates uncommon metadata files
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2016-09-03T01:05:01 < karlp> indeed, exactly what I was just doing :)
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2016-09-03T01:17:48 < karlp> sweet.  used my laks knowledge to improve my libopencm3 case.
2016-09-03T01:18:06 < karlp> now they're both failing the same way, not actually nakking the host it seems.
2016-09-03T01:19:13 < karlp> not identical code, but laks size is ~5k, locm3 code is 28k.
2016-09-03T01:19:33 < karlp> even adding the missing btis in the laks demo, pretty sure it won't get anywhere near 28k.
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2016-09-03T01:42:42 < emeb> ok - i2c slave mode seems pretty easy. just init the periph, set interrupts for addr/stop/tx/rx/err and wait...
2016-09-03T01:43:09 < emeb> when those conditions occur you respond as required. simple state machine works fine.
2016-09-03T01:43:20 < emeb> much simpler than master mode.
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2016-09-03T02:37:15 < zyp> emeb, kinda natural, consider master controls everything, slave only got to respond
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2016-09-03T02:37:54 < zyp> the only stuff slave outputs are ACKs and response to reads
2016-09-03T02:38:07 < zyp> and possibly clock stretching
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2016-09-03T02:41:11 < emeb> zyp: yep
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2016-09-03T02:50:01 < stvn> keep pumping
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2016-09-03T03:58:54 < upgrdman> wow, gta5 is a 64GB download.
2016-09-03T03:58:58 < upgrdman> new games are big
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2016-09-03T04:10:20 < stvn> yeah no more 1.44mb shits
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2016-09-03T04:18:59 < ReadErr> #LRH THE LRH PRESHOW IS LIVE! https://youtu.be/7QqOH4rd1vQ AUTO ACCEPT IS ON CALL IN AND SPAM THE AIRWAVES! 415-349-5666
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2016-09-03T04:19:51 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLusHNKewR8&feature=youtu.be
2016-09-03T04:22:32 < stvn> neat
2016-09-03T04:52:02 < upgrdman> http://gfycat.com/AdolescentBasicIbis
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2016-09-03T05:32:01 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/jiddaj8.gifv
2016-09-03T05:33:36 < upgrdman> dongs, https://imgur.com/gallery/MTkSeSg
2016-09-03T05:40:59 < Jak_o_Shadows> grumble grumble, it's not doing what I think it should be doing
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2016-09-03T05:47:29 < Thorn> http://www.spacex.com/news/2016/09/01/anomaly-updates
2016-09-03T05:53:09 < upgrdman> so uh, no updates then.
2016-09-03T05:55:25 < Jak_o_Shadows> So  in the DCMI vsync interrupt, I enable DMA. THe first DMA interrupt occurs 164ms later!
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2016-09-03T07:27:35 < dongs> lastlog -new dongs
2016-09-03T07:27:46 < dongs> ah yes
2016-09-03T07:27:47 < dongs> jewsat.
2016-09-03T07:29:00 < dongs> internet.org more like what about my net neutrality
2016-09-03T07:29:18 < dongs> plans to bring affordable access to selected Internet services to less developed countries
2016-09-03T07:29:21 < dongs> like, facebook
2016-09-03T07:29:51 < dongs> nobody wants to use zuck's shit so hes now trying to give it way for free to niggers
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2016-09-03T07:32:43 < englishman> thanks for blowing up jewsat btw
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2016-09-03T07:32:48 < englishman> fuck facegook
2016-09-03T07:33:06 < majuma> I'm back with camera problems! This time I wrote it up and included pictures: https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Flat.aspx?RootFolder=%2fpublic%2fSTe2ecommunities%2fmcu%2fLists%2fcortex_mx_stm32%2fMT9M001%20Camera%20and%20DCMI&FolderCTID=0x01200200770978C69A1141439FE559EB459D7580009C4E14902C3CDE46A77F0FFD06506F5B&TopicsView=https%3A%2F%2Fmy%2Est%2Ecom%2Fpublic%2FSTe2ecommunities%2Fmcu%2FLists%2Fcortex_
2016-09-03T07:33:16 < dongs> nice url bro
2016-09-03T07:33:36 < majuma> the stm32 forums are the worst i've ever dealt with
2016-09-03T07:33:40 < dongs> unless I can alt-tab between my scat porn and facebook on the same free internet connection, im not interested.
2016-09-03T07:34:47 < dongs> i tihnk ST forums is like microsoft sharepoint or something
2016-09-03T07:34:51 < dongs> negroed up into being forums
2016-09-03T07:35:20 < dongs> majuma: clive1 should be replyin you shourtly
2016-09-03T07:35:53 < majuma> That was pretty much my hope
2016-09-03T07:40:24 < upgrdman> 500 lines of code on forum post... that'll get read for sure /s
2016-09-03T07:41:45 < majuma> Aye, but maybe it'll be helpful for someone in the future
2016-09-03T07:42:24 < majuma> Also, it is all kind of related to the problem. I haven't shoved my state machine in there or anything
2016-09-03T07:42:38 < upgrdman> k
2016-09-03T07:43:32 < majuma> Admittedly, it is unlikely that the clock output is wrong, or that the GPIO is wrong either
2016-09-03T07:50:37 < dongs> http://www.torontosun.com/2016/08/30/black-lives-matter-hijack-pride-toronto-town-hall-meeting RIP englishman
2016-09-03T07:50:53 < englishman> old
2016-09-03T07:50:56 < englishman> and english
2016-09-03T07:51:00 < englishman> nobody cares about english people
2016-09-03T07:51:13 < englishman> toronto is a cesspool
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2016-09-03T11:06:23 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHdvGx15QG0&feature=youtu.be
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2016-09-03T11:13:53 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/TcWKGAP.gif
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2016-09-03T12:17:54 < stvn> the dirtiest package
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2016-09-03T12:43:33 < stvn> has everyone gone to Steffan's house for a barbeque?
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2016-09-03T12:58:44 < Fleck> no
2016-09-03T13:04:40 < stvn> okay
2016-09-03T13:12:05 < Steffanx> Today the weather is good for that stvn. Tomorrow it would be, so better hurry.
2016-09-03T13:12:15 < Steffanx> *wouldn't
2016-09-03T13:12:42 < Steffanx> or wont, whatever you like most
2016-09-03T13:14:20 < Steffanx> Why this new nick stvn aka steven?
2016-09-03T13:14:33 < stvn> i like it better
2016-09-03T13:14:52 < Steffanx> so steven is your real name?
2016-09-03T13:14:57 < stvn> yes
2016-09-03T13:15:23 < jpa-> http://media.digikey.com/Renders/Texas%20Instr%20Renders/296;-4222378;-RNJ;-20.jpg   nice pads, TI
2016-09-03T13:15:24 < Steffanx> Best first 3 letters one can have in his name.
2016-09-03T13:15:34 < stvn> true
2016-09-03T13:16:46 < Fleck> ;p
2016-09-03T13:17:23 < Steffanx> lol jpa- someone had fun with that.
2016-09-03T13:18:01 < Steffanx> someone with an obsession for asymmetry
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2016-09-03T13:20:26 < stvn> which device is this insane footprint for
2016-09-03T13:20:38 < jpa-> http://www.ti.com/product/TPS54A20
2016-09-03T13:21:16 < jpa-> https://e2e.ti.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-00-03-59/fig-1.png   buck regulator, but i'm not quite following how it works
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2016-09-03T13:33:42 < stvn> the whole series cap like a sepic just numbs my brain
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2016-09-03T13:44:09 < Steffanx> englishman, where did you see this fruit code in ugfx? I want to see.
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2016-09-03T14:46:32 < PeterM> jpa-, it cap couples the primary phae to put it 180 degrees out of phase with the second phase giving you two phases off  the oen  clock
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2016-09-03T15:18:01 < dongs> jpa-: had to make something similar for a boost converter from silergy or someshit
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2016-09-03T15:42:11 < dongs> need a 5" 320x240 SPI lcd, where 2 get
2016-09-03T15:42:20 < dongs> seems 320x240 ends at like 3.2" type shit
2016-09-03T15:43:57 < dongs> zyp, for scanning regular credit-card sized NFC cards, do I need specific size antenna?
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2016-09-03T17:04:02 < Rob235> are 32 kph winds too strong to fly in? :(
2016-09-03T17:05:13 < Tectu> not if your PID is working I guess :p
2016-09-03T17:05:28 < Rob235> heh I guess I should wait a few days, that blows
2016-09-03T17:06:34 < Tectu> just build a dome
2016-09-03T17:06:46 < Rob235> biodome?
2016-09-03T17:07:03 < Tectu> piddome
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2016-09-03T17:25:49 < jpa-> dongs: get 640x480 and upscale by 2x? :P
2016-09-03T17:25:59 < dongs> errr but then its aids to drive
2016-09-03T17:26:00 < Laurenceb__> lul biosphere2
2016-09-03T17:26:34 < Laurenceb__> didn't their phd student go insane and try to drive a petrol tanker through the side to blow it up?
2016-09-03T17:33:40 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwCxkLZRuN0 wow thats pretty cool
2016-09-03T17:34:03 < Laurenceb__> oh that baby
2016-09-03T17:34:05 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2016-09-03T17:34:43 < dongs> i guess its using multilayer stuff on RA8875
2016-09-03T17:42:08 < Tectu> damn, that's very nice indeed
2016-09-03T17:42:18 < Tectu> someone knows how to make a nice interface
2016-09-03T17:43:04 < Steffanx> old.
2016-09-03T17:43:32 < Rob235> you're old
2016-09-03T17:43:51 < Steffanx> His newer stuff runs even smoother.
2016-09-03T17:44:34 < Steffanx> Nah, i posted this stuff moonths ago, hence old Rob235 ;)
2016-09-03T17:44:51 < Rob235> I don't even know what I'm looking at
2016-09-03T17:46:05 < Rob235> damn weather, gotta wait until wednesday to fly
2016-09-03T17:47:05 < Steffanx> it's a SDR with all the fancy stuff like a waterfall, spectrum etc. Rob235
2016-09-03T17:47:33 < Rob235> and an SDR is....? :)
2016-09-03T17:47:40 < Steffanx> software defined radio
2016-09-03T17:47:41 < Tectu> SoftwareDefinedRadio
2016-09-03T17:47:51 < Rob235> um ok
2016-09-03T17:47:59 < Rob235> sure
2016-09-03T17:48:07 < Tectu> it's basically a piece of wire you attach to a good processor :p
2016-09-03T17:48:17 < Tectu> nah, it's a "very flexible" radio.
2016-09-03T17:48:26 < Tectu> eg. it is not fixed to a specific frequency band
2016-09-03T17:48:32 < Rob235> ahh
2016-09-03T17:48:45 < Tectu> so your antenna(s), your amps, your RF magic and all that is designed to handle "the entire spectrum"
2016-09-03T17:48:49 < BrainDamage> no, that's not what distinguishes a SDR
2016-09-03T17:48:52 < Tectu> so you can listen to anything, send anything, ...
2016-09-03T17:49:00 < Tectu> and then you have software that allows using that
2016-09-03T17:49:03 < BrainDamage> as sdr is not tied to a specific modulation instead
2016-09-03T17:49:20 < Tectu> BrainDamage, but doesn't SDR also imply that it's not fixed to a specific freq. band?
2016-09-03T17:49:29 < BrainDamage> absolutely not
2016-09-03T17:49:30 < Tectu> can I have an SDR that only works at 2.4 GHz?
2016-09-03T17:49:38 < BrainDamage> sure
2016-09-03T17:49:42 < BrainDamage> in fact, most wifi chips are
2016-09-03T17:50:20 < Steffanx> Always nice to have BrainDamage correct you when you're wrong :D
2016-09-03T17:50:37 < BrainDamage> the tuning freq comes from the non software part of the radio
2016-09-03T17:51:16 < BrainDamage> and atm radios without a tuner are still a pipedream
2016-09-03T17:54:23 < dongs> Tectu: upgrdman made one
2016-09-03T17:54:53 < dongs> http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-09-27_Servo_Tester,_2.4GHz_Spectrum_Analyzer,_Tetris/
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2016-09-03T18:06:19 < Rob235> I bought these pads for my landing gear... they are too thin though, they aren't going to help at all. I should buy some bubble wrap :)
2016-09-03T18:07:08 < Rob235> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/OE0AAOSwKtlWqS1T/s-l1600.jpg
2016-09-03T18:07:46 < Rob235> maybe I should just not suck at flying
2016-09-03T18:08:20 < BrainDamage> or load it with a primary explosive
2016-09-03T18:08:46 < Rob235> that doesn't sound like a very good idea
2016-09-03T18:08:48 < BrainDamage> then too much shock and you'll have the problem of cleaning the scrap
2016-09-03T18:09:12 < Rob235> it is good incentive not to suck
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2016-09-03T18:11:03 < Rob235> I added a battery monitor, maybe I should work on the ADC for voltage and current while the weather sucks.  havent tried adc yet but can't see it being much of a problem
2016-09-03T18:12:56 < Tectu> BrainDamage, thank you for the information.
2016-09-03T18:13:12 < Tectu> Rob235, better not listening to what I am saying then
2016-09-03T18:13:35 < Tectu> dongs, thanks for the link. that is nice
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2016-09-03T18:16:01 < BrainDamage> a rx radio is essentially a antenna -> preamp/prefilter -> frequency shifter -> filter -> demodulator -> out, with hardware all the pieces are implemented in hw, with sdr you have: antenna -> preamp/prefilter -> frequency shifter -> filter -> adc -> cpu/fpga [ demodulator ->out ]
2016-09-03T18:16:48 < BrainDamage> current research is trying to do: antenna -> preamp -> adc -> cpu/fpga [frequency shifter -> filter -> demodulator ->out ]
2016-09-03T18:17:09 < dongs> tectu, something to shoot for with jEWGFX i suppose
2016-09-03T18:17:16 < dongs> but that one is kinda cheting
2016-09-03T18:17:22 < dongs> cuz that controller has some GPU functions
2016-09-03T18:17:29 < dongs> and shit like hardware scroll/layering/etc
2016-09-03T18:17:33 < BrainDamage> but you'll need adcs that can do GHz clock and 32+ bit resolution, and processors capable to handle the data flow of Gbyte/s
2016-09-03T18:18:00 < Tectu> dongs, yeah, uGFX supports those
2016-09-03T18:18:14 < dongs> honestly frequency shift sounds like something that should be done pre-adc
2016-09-03T18:18:24 < Tectu> dongs, have some company that uses an RA8875 with uGFX. insane what their designers can do with it.
2016-09-03T18:18:30 < dongs> cool
2016-09-03T18:18:42 < dongs> well workproj is planning to use that RA thing.
2016-09-03T18:18:47 < Tectu> I can recommend.
2016-09-03T18:18:49 < Tectu> good thing.
2016-09-03T18:18:50 < dongs> someone said it had somme limitations over SPI
2016-09-03T18:18:52 < dongs> can you confirm?
2016-09-03T18:19:02 < dongs> like FSMC way was better or someshit
2016-09-03T18:19:09 < dongs> you cant DMA to memory with SPI.
2016-09-03T18:19:10 < Tectu> dunno, I used it with/in three different projects. They all used FSMC
2016-09-03T18:19:17 < dongs> k, fsmc it is
2016-09-03T18:19:17 < dongs> yeah
2016-09-03T18:19:29 < Tectu> yeah. Ask Ecco about SPI vs. FSMC for display :p
2016-09-03T18:19:47 < dongs> well, i am aware of the differences/issues
2016-09-03T18:19:48 < Tectu> dongs, even though the RA8875 has some hardware acceleration and multi-layer crap, you still need quite a lot of bandwidth to make a nice GUI
2016-09-03T18:19:59 < Tectu> especially DMA crap is useful when blitting graphics
2016-09-03T18:20:16 < dongs> right. well, spi can do that too, but i heard max speed on that is 21mhz without noise
2016-09-03T18:20:20 < dongs> soo.. fuckit
2016-09-03T18:20:49 < Tectu> yeah, FSMC is definitely the way to go if you can.
2016-09-03T18:21:04 < Tectu> and that RA8875 is really nice. so yeah... not much more to say. tectu approved.
2016-09-03T18:22:10 < Rob235> can you estimate battery mAh based on current integration over time and voltage level?
2016-09-03T18:23:28 < daey> sure you can
2016-09-03T18:23:56 < Rob235> is that the best way to estimate remaining battery?
2016-09-03T18:24:00 < Laurenceb__> tbh I'm very sceptical of a lot of the recent SDR stuff
2016-09-03T18:24:12 < Laurenceb__> they don't seem to have addressed the elephant in the room
2016-09-03T18:24:39 < daey> Rob235: im guessing the best way would be measuring the Voltage with no load connected. and the current when shorted
2016-09-03T18:24:51 < dongs> Tectu: but 8 or 16bit fsmc?
2016-09-03T18:25:11 < daey> Rob235: that gives you the internal battery resistance
2016-09-03T18:26:47 < Tectu> dongs, obviously 16bit will be (a bit more than) two times faster than 8-bit. If you can spare the pins to use 16-bit FSMC that is definitely what I recommend. But 8-bit FSMC will already be faster than SPI by a HUGE factor.
2016-09-03T18:27:14 < Tectu> dongs, often you use RGB565 for these display controllers. So 16-bit FSMC is nice because burst-writing via DMA will insanely fast
2016-09-03T18:27:53 < karlp> jpa-: nice pads indeed!
2016-09-03T18:27:58 < dongs> Tectu: ah, right.
2016-09-03T18:28:41 < Tectu> dongs, what's the reason to not use an F4/F7 with FSMC and directly hooking up the display panel via RGB?
2016-09-03T18:28:58 < jpa-> karlp: do you always read whole backlog? :D
2016-09-03T18:29:01 < Tectu> FSMC -> LTDC
2016-09-03T18:29:37 < dongs> Tectu: cuz then we'd have to use jewGFX
2016-09-03T18:29:46 < Tectu> dongs, lol wut? why?
2016-09-03T18:29:47 < dongs> also those F4s are expensive
2016-09-03T18:29:55 < dongs> 407VG is cheap shit cuz discovery
2016-09-03T18:30:09 < Tectu> dongs, well I don't know your exact specs but I assume that RA8875 costs more than an F4 with LTDC
2016-09-03T18:30:17 < dongs> $6 or osmeshit
2016-09-03T18:30:22 < dongs> and 407 is $5-6 also
2016-09-03T18:30:35 < Tectu> yeah, and an F439i will be around 13?
2016-09-03T18:30:37 < Laurenceb__> all the SDR stuff uses direct conversion with a crappy LO
2016-09-03T18:30:47 < Laurenceb__> when you try direct conversion you need a clean LO
2016-09-03T18:30:49 < dongs> actually gpu stuff is better
2016-09-03T18:30:56 < dongs> i wont be coding this shit, and the asshole who does will appreciate it
2016-09-03T18:30:57 < Laurenceb__> or you also decode all your LO harmonics
2016-09-03T18:31:04 < dongs> shit like hardware scrolling etc.
2016-09-03T18:31:08 < Tectu> dongs, LTDC has almost all features that the RA8875 implements too
2016-09-03T18:31:11 < Laurenceb__> all the SDR autists miss this
2016-09-03T18:31:19 < Tectu> dongs, including multi-layer support
2016-09-03T18:31:36 < Laurenceb__> Tectu: can't you do scrolling with DMA2D ?
2016-09-03T18:31:39 < dongs> err tectu
2016-09-03T18:31:41 < dongs> that shit needs sdram
2016-09-03T18:32:00 < dongs> anyway, 429 + shit = write shit basically from scratch
2016-09-03T18:32:06 < dongs> 407+ra = copypaste tarduino, profit
2016-09-03T18:32:14 < dongs> all things considered, the 2nd method will win
2016-09-03T18:32:20 < Tectu> dongs, well, to be precise: no it doesn't. It's just what makes the most sense to use
2016-09-03T18:32:28 < Laurenceb__>  > assumes tarduino code is usable
2016-09-03T18:32:37 < Tectu> dongs, okay. As I said, I don't know your constrains so... :)
2016-09-03T18:32:38 < dongs> Laurenceb__: it doenst need to be usable
2016-09-03T18:32:41 < dongs> just copyable
2016-09-03T18:33:04 < Laurenceb__>  while(1) {wait_for_shit_to_be_ready_that_can_just_fire_an_interrupt();}
2016-09-03T18:33:20 < Tectu> afk time
2016-09-03T18:33:49 < Laurenceb__> massive_busy_wait_delay_for_hardware_to_be_ready_with_no_checks_or_error_handling();
2016-09-03T18:34:13 < dongs> Laurenceb__: arduino due while(1) in main loop() draws like 200mA
2016-09-03T18:34:25 < Laurenceb__> epin lulz
2016-09-03T18:34:33 < dongs> ya its incredible
2016-09-03T18:34:45 < dongs> some fuckface here designed a shitboard with it
2016-09-03T18:34:48 < dongs> "because due was ez to use"
2016-09-03T18:34:59 < dongs> then noticed it was supposed to run of 2xAA
2016-09-03T18:35:01 < dongs> and it was drawing 200mA
2016-09-03T18:36:10 < Rob235> in gps autopilot modes anyone know how angle/speed is determined?
2016-09-03T18:38:28 < Laurenceb__> I don't follow the question
2016-09-03T18:38:38 < Laurenceb__> you mean how does the gps determine angle and speed?
2016-09-03T18:39:14 < kakimir> sup punpers
2016-09-03T18:40:12 < Laurenceb__> from doppler shifts
2016-09-03T18:40:54 < karlp> jpa-: mostly.
2016-09-03T18:41:00 < karlp> it's easier now with less o6
2016-09-03T18:41:14 < Rob235> if I want to go a few meters forward then how would I estimate what to set desired pitch to to get there at a certain speed?
2016-09-03T18:41:23 < karlp> I often gloss over artoocommie stuff,
2016-09-03T18:41:51 < dongs> heh
2016-09-03T18:41:52 < Rob235> pid loop for current velocity?
2016-09-03T18:42:10 < Laurenceb__> oh you mean pitch of copter
2016-09-03T18:42:21 < Rob235> or roll, whatever way the autopilot wants to move
2016-09-03T18:42:22 < Laurenceb__> well you could try to do optimal control...
2016-09-03T18:42:38 < Laurenceb__> which is quite simple in theory
2016-09-03T18:42:46 < Rob235> just thinking a bit before I start implementing gps stuff
2016-09-03T18:42:54 < Laurenceb__> but tends to get unstable quite easily if the model is suboptimal
2016-09-03T18:43:46 < Laurenceb__> well the acceleration at low speeds is easily to calculate
2016-09-03T18:43:58 < Laurenceb__> a=g*sin(theta)
2016-09-03T18:44:09 < Laurenceb__> where theta is the pitch
2016-09-03T18:44:42 < Laurenceb__> but at high horizontal speed you have drag and thrust loss from the props to consider
2016-09-03T18:45:07 < Laurenceb__> aiui taulabs are working on optimal control
2016-09-03T18:45:13 < Rob235> hmm
2016-09-03T18:45:39 < Laurenceb__> having nailed down EKF in their truly epin codebase
2016-09-03T18:46:53 < Laurenceb__> I think taulabs is very much "semi optimal", lots of fudge factors including ones estimated on the fly
2016-09-03T18:47:30 < Laurenceb__> there is an "autotune" and a "flight" mode
2016-09-03T18:48:00 < Rob235> i'll have to check out the source later
2016-09-03T18:51:32 < dongs> https://github.com/KitSprout/UWB-Adapter wtf attn Laurenceb__
2016-09-03T18:52:01 < Laurenceb__> O_o I would recommend talking on #taulabs, the source is very complex and steep learning curve
2016-09-03T18:52:17 < Laurenceb__> they also have a love of matlab/simulink autogenerated c
2016-09-03T18:52:46 < Laurenceb__> dongs: just decawave with stm32?
2016-09-03T18:52:51 < Laurenceb__> looks useful tho
2016-09-03T18:52:52 < dongs> sure
2016-09-03T18:53:28 < Laurenceb__> http://www.decawave.com/sites/default/files/product-pdf/dwm1000-product-brief.pdf
2016-09-03T18:53:46 < dongs> yeah some indoor navigation shit right
2016-09-03T18:53:49 < dongs> radar/sonar/someshit?
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2016-09-03T18:54:05 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2016-09-03T18:54:12 < Laurenceb__> indoor pos + data
2016-09-03T18:54:22 < Laurenceb__> range is a bit shit compared to ism band
2016-09-03T18:54:36 < Laurenceb__> 300m @110kbps
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2016-09-03T18:57:46 < Lux> Laurenceb__: have you tried those decawave modules ?
2016-09-03T18:58:07 < Lux> I wonder if that stuff really can do ~10cm accuracy
2016-09-03T18:58:20 < Laurenceb__> heh yeah I wonder too
2016-09-03T18:58:23 < Laurenceb__> havent tried it
2016-09-03T18:59:06 < Laurenceb__> I was talking to some guys who thought there was a market for mine worker tracking underground
2016-09-03T18:59:28 < kakimir> I wonder if it's worth it to do own headphone circuits with background musics automatic fader for sailplane or if there is some ready set for ok price
2016-09-03T18:59:35 < Laurenceb__> but that problem seems to have been solves with short range ism kit powered by lithium D cells
2016-09-03T18:59:40 < Laurenceb__> *solved
2016-09-03T18:59:53 < Laurenceb__> using line of sight only and RSSI position
2016-09-03T19:00:12 < Lux> I'd imagine you'll need lots of those modules in mines to get a decent coverage
2016-09-03T19:00:24 < Laurenceb__> thousands of ultra low cost devices in a mesh network
2016-09-03T19:00:35 < Lux> cool
2016-09-03T19:00:36 < Laurenceb__> each device like $10 and a thousand or so per mine
2016-09-03T19:03:09 < Rob235> ahh 16 carbon fiber props have arrived, ready to shatter
2016-09-03T19:09:09 < emeb> Laurenceb__: years ago I worked on a project that involved underground radio for mines.
2016-09-03T19:09:48 < emeb> the idea was to use magnetic wave propagation, so they had this huge funky coil antenna.
2016-09-03T19:10:18 < emeb> very low freq, very narrow band to allow the antenna to be resonaant
2016-09-03T19:10:39 < emeb> don't think it ever went anywhere though. Last I heard the project was killed.
2016-09-03T19:13:36 < Tectu> well I could have told you that it wouldn't work. One needs an SUV and a bunch of teenagers to get through walls
2016-09-03T19:14:17 < emeb> and a dog? and a stoner? and old guys with masks trying to shut down the amusement park?
2016-09-03T19:14:40 < emeb> oh wait - that's Scooby Doo
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2016-09-03T19:15:53 < Tectu> did you not get the "joke" or did I miss something myself?
2016-09-03T19:18:11 < emeb> I got the joke - callback to my girls+cars+wall incidents.
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2016-09-03T19:18:46 < Tectu> still have to lol on the fact that "incidents" is in plural in that sentence :p
2016-09-03T19:19:00 < emeb> yes. that's the funny part.
2016-09-03T19:19:27 < emeb> and that it was the same part of the wall, from two different directions.
2016-09-03T19:19:28 < Tectu> btw, do you happen to have any pictures? I'd like to see what kind of damage was caused
2016-09-03T19:20:04 < Tectu> in what "time distance" did those two events occur?
2016-09-03T19:20:10 < Tectu> "what was the duration between the two incidents"
2016-09-03T19:20:16 < Tectu> damn, what is the proper wording for that...
2016-09-03T19:20:24 < Tectu> "how long between the two accidents?"
2016-09-03T19:21:07 < emeb> I've got pictures, but not on this computer. Probably about 4-5yrs between the two events.
2016-09-03T19:21:55 < emeb> Hired the same guy to do the repairs both times. He was highly amused the second time.
2016-09-03T19:24:57 < Laurenceb__> emeb: yeah I've seen those mine radios
2016-09-03T19:25:04 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2Eah_EGiDc musics
2016-09-03T19:25:05 < Laurenceb__> the problem is coal is conductive
2016-09-03T19:25:13 < Laurenceb__> so it can't get through coal seams
2016-09-03T19:25:32 < kakimir> conductive is in your pants
2016-09-03T19:26:23 < Laurenceb__> cumductive
2016-09-03T19:26:32 < kakimir> cumduct
2016-09-03T19:26:51 < Tectu> emeb, rofl
2016-09-03T19:26:58 < Tectu> emeb, would love to see some pics when you get to it
2016-09-03T19:27:16 < emeb> bbiaw
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2016-09-03T19:32:03 < Laurenceb__> if someone can come up with a way to do worker location in mines in a more practical way there is a market for it
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2016-09-03T19:41:54 < kakimir> is cortex connector really 1.27mm pitch and not smaller than that?
2016-09-03T19:42:09 < Tectu> not sure what a cortex connector is
2016-09-03T19:42:20 < Laurenceb__> drill a hole in your head to find out
2016-09-03T19:42:23 < kakimir> little smart thing
2016-09-03T19:42:23 < Tectu> but yes, 5x2 pin 1.27mm shrouded connectors are often used for JTAGs
2016-09-03T19:43:17 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Pcs-1-27mm-Pitch-2x5-Pin-10-Pin-10-Wire-IDC-Flat-Ribbon-Cable-Length-30CM-/181754204333
2016-09-03T19:43:28 < Laurenceb__> hmm this has got me thinking about mine location lol
2016-09-03T19:43:29 < Steffanx> you can go whatever you like of course kakimir.
2016-09-03T19:43:32 < Steffanx> Not sure if you know that.
2016-09-03T19:43:41 < Laurenceb__> still have no good ideas for how to do it
2016-09-03T19:44:07 < Steffanx> mine location, wut Laurenceb__?
2016-09-03T19:44:13 < kakimir> no I use only that Steffanx
2016-09-03T19:44:27 < Steffanx> you wont find much of value inside your skull.
2016-09-03T19:44:28 < Laurenceb__> Steffanx: locating workers inside mines
2016-09-03T19:44:37 < Steffanx> ooh.
2016-09-03T19:56:52 < kakimir> why not drive them machines from surface?
2016-09-03T19:57:09 < kakimir> from cargo container
2016-09-03T19:57:53 < Steffanx> because a life is cheap in china
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2016-09-03T19:59:25 < kakimir> is it good idea to use varistor instead of TVS at logic level voltages?
2016-09-03T20:00:48 < kakimir> maybe I look into it after eating>
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2016-09-03T21:30:05 < Tectu> spotted BrainDamage https://i.imgur.com/L46Ai.jpg
2016-09-03T21:34:45 < Steffanx> Teco is there too.
2016-09-03T21:34:46 < kakimir> how do they produce these images
2016-09-03T21:35:06 < kakimir> liek.. stiel the passport image data
2016-09-03T21:35:25 < Steffanx> volunteers probably.
2016-09-03T21:36:07 < Steffanx> at least, that's what i hope.
2016-09-03T21:36:58 < kakimir> http://image.slidesharecdn.com/littelfuseaktvsaudio-110313210709-phpapp02/95/high-power-tvs-overvoltage-protection-diodes-13-728.jpg?cb=1303087757
2016-09-03T21:38:49 < kakimir> this is probably for high surge protection?
2016-09-03T21:39:51 < kakimir> looks overkill for standard static discharges and coupled interference
2016-09-03T21:40:47 < Steffanx> love it when they use familiar stuff in a TV series. Now this is what they call a GPS tracker nowadays: http://imgur.com/a/iOxK4
2016-09-03T21:49:28 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: http://termite.apcdn.com/full/148823.jpg
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2016-09-03T22:40:41 < mra90> how to connect gdb to st link?
2016-09-03T22:41:21 < Steffanx> openocd.
2016-09-03T22:42:55 < kakimir> google "gdb st link openocd"
2016-09-03T22:44:08 < mra90> ok, btw the purpose of openocd is?
2016-09-03T22:45:41 < Tectu> connecting gdb to st link
2016-09-03T22:45:58 < Tectu> openocd is the interface to which gdb connects to
2016-09-03T22:46:10 < Tectu> better ask PaulFertser for a proper definition
2016-09-03T22:53:45 < kakimir> it's "on-chip debugging interface"
2016-09-03T22:55:12 < mra90> ok thank you guys
2016-09-03T22:55:14 < mra90> ;)
2016-09-03T22:55:37 < mra90> kakimir: is it really on chip? I doubt it...
2016-09-03T23:00:47 < mra90> and btw, any alernative to openOCD?
2016-09-03T23:00:52 < mra90> I am just curious
2016-09-03T23:01:28 < kakimir> per device vendor gdb drivers
2016-09-03T23:02:37 < kakimir> per development suite provided drivers
2016-09-03T23:04:05 < Tectu> BlackMagicProbe
2016-09-03T23:05:21 < kakimir> mra90: st most likelly provides driver for their debugger
2016-09-03T23:06:34 < mra90> kakimir: yep I have st link utility installed and it shows me flash content sucefully but there is no option for steps into ptogram execution
2016-09-03T23:08:33 < kakimir> just openocd it
2016-09-03T23:08:41 < kakimir> everybody here uses it basically
2016-09-03T23:13:29 < mra90> ok I have to study the subject a bit.. thanks by now
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2016-09-03T23:36:49 < Laurenceb__> texane works for me
2016-09-03T23:36:58 < Laurenceb__> BlackMagicProbe is just weird
2016-09-03T23:37:09 < Laurenceb__> and openocd requires OCD config files
2016-09-03T23:37:30 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, what's weird about BMP?
2016-09-03T23:37:44 < Laurenceb__> can't remember lol
2016-09-03T23:37:47 < Tectu> texane was quite buggy the last time I used it (which was like 2011 or 2012)
2016-09-03T23:37:53 < Tectu> BMP left quite a good impression on me.
2016-09-03T23:37:59 < Laurenceb__> it was supposed to be simple gdb server, but didn't work like one
2016-09-03T23:38:10 < Laurenceb__> I raged and went back to texane
2016-09-03T23:39:38 < Tectu> I raged when I used texane
2016-09-03T23:40:02 < Laurenceb__> I rage all the tiem
2016-09-03T23:40:11 < Laurenceb__> should become a serial killer
2016-09-03T23:41:11 < Tectu> yeah I was just about to say that... we like to rage about anything anyway
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2016-09-04T00:55:43 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYhxaZXXwsg musics?
2016-09-04T00:59:23 < Steffanx> You enjoy that much kakimir?
2016-09-04T01:00:30 < kakimir> not on headphones :/
2016-09-04T01:00:44 < kakimir> on radio everything sounds different
2016-09-04T01:01:30 < Steffanx> Time to find the radio edit
2016-09-04T01:01:40 < kakimir> it's pretty much same
2016-09-04T01:02:03 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WsoeQjJzRY how do you like this?
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2016-09-04T01:02:13 < Steffanx> Ok then time to get yourself a tiny fm transmitter
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2016-09-04T01:06:07 < Steffanx> Meh not really. Dont like the voice.
2016-09-04T01:07:26 < mra90> kakimir: I have sucesfull connected to my Cortex M4 with openOCD and GDB, now I wonder how to make my own simple openocd, any idea?
2016-09-04T01:07:49 < mra90> it just a server which talks to my board
2016-09-04T01:08:06 < kakimir> it talks to debugger
2016-09-04T01:08:17 < kakimir> debugger talks to board
2016-09-04T01:09:18 < mra90> I think what you said is wrong
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2016-09-04T01:09:37 < mra90> gdb <-> openOCD <-> board
2016-09-04T01:10:01 < mra90> that;s the way information is flowing
2016-09-04T01:10:15 < kakimir> yes if you include physical debugger inside openocd box
2016-09-04T01:10:30 < kakimir> "box"
2016-09-04T01:10:51 < mra90> openocd box sorry?
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2016-09-04T01:11:14 < kakimir> openOCD scope*
2016-09-04T01:11:37 < mra90> it it was the way you said the there is no need for openocd we could easy talk with board with just gdb
2016-09-04T01:11:42 < mra90> if it*
2016-09-04T01:12:39 < kakimir> Steffanx: but look at that video
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2016-09-04T01:17:08 < kakimir> mra90: whatever.. I'm not troubled by the stucture of my debugging configuration
2016-09-04T01:17:59 < mra90> kakimir: sure, I does it's job in my case too
2016-09-04T01:18:19 < mra90> and thanks for help btw ;)
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2016-09-04T01:25:08 < englishman> mra90: stm32 has on chip debugger
2016-09-04T01:25:16 < englishman> What toolchain are you using
2016-09-04T01:26:37 < kakimir> I think it was a pun englishman
2016-09-04T01:26:50 < englishman> hi kakimir
2016-09-04T01:27:43 < kakimir> o/ hi
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2016-09-04T01:44:53 < zyp> dongs, no, it just needs to be tuned to right freq
2016-09-04T01:45:14 < zyp> I'm using my readers for credit card sized cards
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2016-09-04T02:01:28 < karlp> Laurenceb__: re texane vs oocd, for most people, something like "openocd -f board/stm32f4discovery.cfg" is all they need.
2016-09-04T02:01:50 < karlp> on a bad day, "openocd -f interface/jlink.cfg -f target/stm32f4.cfg"
2016-09-04T02:02:56 < karlp> kakimir: 155 million views?!
2016-09-04T02:03:15 < karlp> why,m because it's got a chick playin in the window?!
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2016-09-04T02:04:06 < kakimir> that
2016-09-04T02:04:09 < ReadError> Laurenceb__
2016-09-04T02:04:11 < ReadError> halp
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2016-09-04T02:30:30 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Os5Okf3OQ future.
2016-09-04T02:31:16 < stvn> stm32.
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2016-09-04T02:36:28 < kakimir> it would be useful to just be able to drive one tractor with another tractor inputs
2016-09-04T02:37:18 < stvn> how about LEDs?
2016-09-04T02:37:42 < kakimir> you have changed your nick?
2016-09-04T02:38:37 < stvn> kakimir, http://hackaday.com/2016/08/14/hackaday-prize-entry-a-cheap-stm32-dev-board/
2016-09-04T02:38:40 < kakimir> or to have follow me mode
2016-09-04T02:39:12 < kakimir> so you could drive 2 loads to place a to place b with 1 driver
2016-09-04T02:40:16 < kakimir> nice
2016-09-04T02:40:49 < kakimir> it's yours?
2016-09-04T02:40:52 < stvn> no
2016-09-04T02:41:01 < stvn> i have been eagerly awaiting your LED updates
2016-09-04T02:42:37 < ReadErr> lol waht
2016-09-04T02:42:47 < ReadErr> you can program f103 w/ arduino ?
2016-09-04T02:43:08 < stvn> iirc stm32 arduinos have been common for at least a year.
2016-09-04T02:43:28 < ReadErr> can you still debug using Serial.println()
2016-09-04T02:43:30 < kakimir> leds are just around the corner stvn
2016-09-04T02:43:42 < stvn> ReadErr, i don't use arduino so not sure
2016-09-04T02:44:16 < ReadErr> QUITE NICK
2016-09-04T02:44:30 < ReadErr> or QUIET
2016-09-04T02:44:32 < ReadErr> ya that
2016-09-04T02:44:40 < stvn> what is NICK
2016-09-04T02:44:54 < ReadErr> its you irl in my head
2016-09-04T02:45:03 < stvn> i see
2016-09-04T02:45:21 < stvn> kakimir, i need pink LEDs
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2016-09-04T02:47:18 < kakimir> your favourite colour?
2016-09-04T02:47:29 < stvn> nah
2016-09-04T02:49:45 < kakimir> just because it's hard to get?
2016-09-04T02:50:16 < stvn> business associate wants me to modify his equipment with pink LEDs
2016-09-04T02:52:01 < kakimir> you need red and white leds I think
2016-09-04T02:52:40 < kakimir> then mix them liek that
2016-09-04T02:52:49 < kakimir> sleep>
2016-09-04T02:53:07 < stvn> yeah i better do something useful, later
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2016-09-04T03:05:53 < Laurenceb__> ReadErr: huh?
2016-09-04T03:06:01 < ReadErr> hi
2016-09-04T03:06:13 < ReadErr> have you used any robust pH senzors
2016-09-04T03:06:19 < Laurenceb__> nope sorry
2016-09-04T03:06:21 < ReadErr> just the senzor bit
2016-09-04T03:06:34 < Laurenceb__> I might be able to advise on interfacing
2016-09-04T03:06:42 < ReadErr> they got all kinds of ICs for reading the shit but not much on the probe front
2016-09-04T03:06:43 < Laurenceb__> v high impedance?
2016-09-04T03:07:03 < Laurenceb__> you mean the ICs interface with a probe?
2016-09-04T03:07:09 < ReadErr> nah the actual probe
2016-09-04T03:07:09 < Laurenceb__> that includes preamp
2016-09-04T03:07:14 < Laurenceb__> oh
2016-09-04T03:07:16 < ReadErr> the rest isnt too bad
2016-09-04T03:07:32 < Laurenceb__> I'm confused now
2016-09-04T03:07:46 < Laurenceb__> you want to interface with the sensor head or the probe with pre amp?
2016-09-04T03:11:01 < Laurenceb__> http://www.all-about-ph.com/nonglass-ph-electrode.html
2016-09-04T03:11:05 < Laurenceb__> like one of those?
2016-09-04T03:11:30 < Laurenceb__> never used anything like that sorry
2016-09-04T03:13:03 < ReadErr> just the head
2016-09-04T03:16:24 < PeterM> [09:44] <stvn> what is NICK
2016-09-04T03:16:25 < PeterM> [09:44] <ReadErr> its you irl in my head
2016-09-04T03:16:28 < Laurenceb__> with the glass ones you need v high impedance amp
2016-09-04T03:16:33 < PeterM> i always thought of him as CURT
2016-09-04T03:16:39 < Laurenceb__> I've only used one of those once
2016-09-04T03:16:48 < Laurenceb__> not sure about the robust ones
2016-09-04T03:19:33 < ReadErr> ya need something 200C and acid resistant
2016-09-04T03:19:47 < ReadErr> well upper end 200C, can be lower
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2016-09-04T04:25:50 < Laurenceb__> ReadErr is building an industrial scale meth plant?
2016-09-04T04:32:16 < jadew> I could build an industrial scale methane plant
2016-09-04T04:32:53 < jadew> had some beans yesterday and now lighting up a match in this room is a fire hazard
2016-09-04T04:34:30 < jadew> if I did one of those "light up a fart" videos, I could do however many takes I wanted, until I got it right
2016-09-04T04:35:50 < ReadErr> lol no
2016-09-04T04:36:11 < ReadErr> 1) meth is nasty
2016-09-04T04:36:17 < ReadErr> 2) cant compete with mexican superlabs
2016-09-04T04:47:30 < Laurenceb__> jadew: I made some methane once
2016-09-04T04:47:38 < Laurenceb__> with cabbage
2016-09-04T04:48:07 < Laurenceb__> 2L pop bottle and a second water filled bottle as a collector, made enough to run a bunsen burner
2016-09-04T04:50:17 < Laurenceb__> I was surprised how much gas it made
2016-09-04T04:50:29 < Laurenceb__> if you optimise what you fill with you can get more gas
2016-09-04T04:50:41 < Laurenceb__> for that read shitting in the bottle
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2016-09-04T05:03:51 < Laurenceb__> https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9606837&cid=52822453
2016-09-04T05:03:56 < Laurenceb__> thunderf00t btfo
2016-09-04T05:04:17 < Laurenceb__> it's just half-assed click bait and he's sold out his integrity for views.
2016-09-04T05:04:22 < Laurenceb__> TRUTH
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2016-09-04T08:58:14 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/ePL9MPG.jpg
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2016-09-04T09:34:24 < ReadErr> mindcrap
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2016-09-04T10:32:57 < Kerr-A> oooh
2016-09-04T10:34:52 < Kerr-A> Cool this channel exists, and has a notable population... I just ordered 20 stm8s103 chips(and some breakout board to solder them to), an ST link (arrived yesterday), and am in the middle of figuring out where to "get started" messing around with these
2016-09-04T10:35:21 < Kerr-A> also ordered a few stm32 and a few stm8, on minimal boards already
2016-09-04T10:36:31 < dongs> well  yeah
2016-09-04T10:36:33 < zyp> I'd probably start by throwing away the stm8 chips, learning an 8-bit arch doesn't seem very worthwhile today
2016-09-04T10:36:39 < dongs> ^
2016-09-04T10:36:47 < dongs> but nah, hes full of shit
2016-09-04T10:36:50 < dongs> stm8 is actaully pretty nice
2016-09-04T10:37:05 < dongs> as long as you don't care about "learning" the core and just write shit in C.
2016-09-04T10:37:12 < dongs> peripherals are almost same as on STM32.
2016-09-04T10:37:37 < zyp> not saying stm8 isn't nice, just pointless
2016-09-04T10:38:13 < dongs> super cost sensitiv stuff where $0.20 vs $0.30 for m0 makes a difference and all it needs to do is PWM led
2016-09-04T10:38:28 < zyp> yeah, I doubt that's what Kerr-A is doing
2016-09-04T10:38:32 < dongs> :D
2016-09-04T10:38:32 < Kerr-A> :p
2016-09-04T10:38:58 < Kerr-A> IDK what I'll do with them yet. For not turn on leds, and do a few pwm things I think
2016-09-04T10:39:20 < Kerr-A> still ~ a week until I'll have the chips, then I get to solder the tsop package 'somehow'
2016-09-04T10:39:54 < Kerr-A> but, hey, they were 15 cents apiece, and I think it'll be fun programming an 8 bit chip :p
2016-09-04T10:41:20 < zyp> hmm, I still have a ton of those red boards from m24lr-discovery
2016-09-04T10:41:52 < zyp> I should probably give them away if anybody wants them, they have a stm8 that I'm never going to bother figuring out how to program
2016-09-04T10:42:30 < Kerr-A> So, I see there is somewhat of a variety of compilers/etc available... In the past I seem to find when I see that it's like this: "Well, you can pick any of these 4 toolkits, but people only use x"
2016-09-04T10:42:45 < Kerr-A> So can I get a recommendation?
2016-09-04T10:42:51 < dongs> stm8 has a free windows compiler from cosmic, about the only c hoice
2016-09-04T10:42:57 < dongs> the guy who was doing stm8 support in gcc died like 5 years ago
2016-09-04T10:43:07 < Kerr-A> hmm...
2016-09-04T10:43:16 < dongs> err, SDCC but same shit
2016-09-04T10:43:22 < dongs> anyway, I think sdcc supports stm8 to some extent.
2016-09-04T10:43:29 < dongs> no idea as cosmic shit + ST's free IDE just works
2016-09-04T10:43:40 < dongs> thats what i use
2016-09-04T10:43:40 < Kerr-A> So, the one from cosmic then
2016-09-04T10:44:04 < Kerr-A> I found a webpage listing like 5 options, 3 of three of the links were broken. :p
2016-09-04T10:44:24 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/development-tools/software-development-tools/stm8-software-development-tools/stm8-programmers/stvd-stm8.html
2016-09-04T10:44:24 < Kerr-A> *it's late, typos
2016-09-04T10:44:55 < dongs> also has proper full debugger etc.
2016-09-04T10:45:33 < Kerr-A> cool
2016-09-04T10:45:51 < Kerr-A> Emulator costs ~2K?
2016-09-04T10:46:06 < dongs> ? emulator of what
2016-09-04T10:46:19 < Kerr-A> stm8
2016-09-04T10:46:27 < dongs> the fuck do you need that for?
2016-09-04T10:46:51 < Kerr-A> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/development-tools/hardware-development-tools/development-tool-hardware-for-mcus/debug-hardware-for-mcus/debug-hardware-for-stm8-mcus/stice.html
2016-09-04T10:46:56 < dongs> wat
2016-09-04T10:47:00 < Kerr-A> Chips won't be here for at least a week :p
2016-09-04T10:47:02 < dongs> stlink is free
2016-09-04T10:47:13 < dongs> thats not what you want anyway
2016-09-04T10:48:22 < Kerr-A> and how is stlink free, my cost like $1.50
2016-09-04T10:48:43 < dongs> well, thats cheap
2016-09-04T10:49:52 < Kerr-A> Okay, So the cosmic compiler for stm8, what compiler for stm32?
2016-09-04T10:51:53 < dongs> depending which stm you got
2016-09-04T10:52:12 < dongs> F0/L0 = free keil
2016-09-04T10:52:21 < dongs> Fx anything else = gcc i guess if you like suffering
2016-09-04T10:54:14 < Kerr-A> STM32F030F4P6
2016-09-04T10:54:33 < dongs> www2.keil.com/stmicroelectronics-stm32/mdk
2016-09-04T10:56:08 < Kerr-A> "U1E21-CM9GY-L3G4L"
2016-09-04T10:56:18 < dongs> yes.
2016-09-04T10:56:23 < Kerr-A> Code contains 1337 legal
2016-09-04T10:58:54 < dongs> that is true.
2016-09-04T10:59:44 < Kerr-A> wow. 600mb download for the keil compiler
2016-09-04T11:00:01 < dongs> yeah.
2016-09-04T11:01:52 < Kerr-A> for a chip with 16kb of flash memory
2016-09-04T11:02:18  * Kerr-A jk
2016-09-04T11:02:28  * Kerr-A 's dreams of compiling code for stm32 on an stm32 have died
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2016-09-04T11:14:05 < kakimir> pros are up
2016-09-04T11:15:41 < zyp> Kerr-A, the larger stm32s got up to 2M of flash
2016-09-04T11:17:12 < dongs> STM32 clones have even more!
2016-09-04T11:18:27 < upgrdman> do the clones have more sram?
2016-09-04T11:18:38 < dongs> dont remember
2016-09-04T11:18:39 < dongs> not really
2016-09-04T11:21:35 < dongs> is 7.92mm pitch large connectors something standard?
2016-09-04T11:21:44 < dongs> hmm 311mil
2016-09-04T11:21:47 < dongs> wtf is this shit
2016-09-04T11:22:38 < dongs> hm its a thing.
2016-09-04T11:22:44 < dongs> JST-VA
2016-09-04T11:22:51 < dongs> http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/detail_e.php?series=259
2016-09-04T11:22:56 < dongs> i wonder where the fuck that pitch came from
2016-09-04T11:24:16 < zyp> that looks like the shit that's used to connect power supplies to boards
2016-09-04T11:24:30 < dongs> it is
2016-09-04T11:24:38 < dongs> but whats with the arbitrary number
2016-09-04T11:24:50 < upgrdman> maybe 8mm but hugs the holes so you can reflow them without them moving at all?
2016-09-04T11:24:57 < dongs> this board uses it to connect a bunch of AC motors/heaters/shit
2016-09-04T11:25:01 < upgrdman> assuming pin count doesnt get too big
2016-09-04T11:25:11 < dongs> it only comes in 2 pin
2016-09-04T11:25:37 < dongs> fuck what
2016-09-04T11:25:41 < dongs> JST didn't have a proper 3d model for it
2016-09-04T11:25:46 < zyp> upgrdman, if holes were supposed to be 8mm pitch, it'd be 8mm pitch
2016-09-04T11:25:46 < dongs> just the fucking plug part
2016-09-04T11:26:19 < upgrdman> zyp, well ya but i mean if you use 8mm pitch holes for a 7.92mm pitch part, the part would hug the holes
2016-09-04T11:26:41 < zyp> sure
2016-09-04T11:27:40 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/URXaAoY.png am i blind or is "top entry and "top entry plugged" look exactly fucking same?
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2016-09-04T11:29:26 < dongs> TE has a clone 1-1318301-2
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2016-09-04T11:34:02 < dongs> didnt know:  you can 'JL' in altidong while dragging a part
2016-09-04T11:34:08 < dongs> to precisely position it
2016-09-04T11:34:27 < dongs> i mean i knew jl, but didnt know it was usable while dragging
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2016-09-04T11:37:46 < zyp> I remember reading that in some tutorial when I first learned altium
2016-09-04T11:38:50 < dongs> yeah normally I wouldnt need it but im fixing workpcb that was imported from PADS or some other aids
2016-09-04T11:38:56 < dongs> and component centroids are all fucked
2016-09-04T11:39:09 < dongs> to to put 3D stuff I have to math and drag shit around
2016-09-04T11:47:35 < kakimir> anyone have player with SSRs?
2016-09-04T11:47:39 < kakimir> played*
2016-09-04T11:48:29 < kakimir> I'm just wondering if high inductive loads such as motors cause problems
2016-09-04T11:48:47 < kakimir> ssr has snubber
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2016-09-04T11:49:10 < kakimir> but if I should overspec underdesigned SSR
2016-09-04T11:53:00 < stvn> this may assist you https://www.omron.com/ecb/products/pdf/precautions_ssr.pdf
2016-09-04T11:54:28 < kakimir> hmm cap across input terminal okay
2016-09-04T11:55:02 < kakimir> some have those internally I think
2016-09-04T12:06:27 < upgrdman> any opengl pros awake?
2016-09-04T12:08:31 < dongs> paging R2COMmie
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2016-09-04T12:15:29 < zyp> upgrdman, I've dicked around some with opengl
2016-09-04T12:15:37 < upgrdman> cool
2016-09-04T12:15:38 < upgrdman> so
2016-09-04T12:16:50 < upgrdman> iirc most gl functions are async. so how can i profile my gl code? i want to see how much margin i have, *without* disable vsync and just looking at fps
2016-09-04T12:17:53 < upgrdman> totally unrelated: just bough an arm for my monitor. why did no one tell me how awesome this would be. quality of life improved so much.
2016-09-04T12:18:05 < zyp> uh, that I haven't done a lot of
2016-09-04T12:18:12 < upgrdman> so nice being able to move/tilt/etc the monitor with ease
2016-09-04T12:18:17 < upgrdman> k
2016-09-04T12:18:55 < zyp> there's probably real tools for that
2016-09-04T12:21:58 < upgrdman> real == commercial? :(
2016-09-04T12:22:09 < c4017__> upgrdman, tried gdebugger?
2016-09-04T12:22:20 < upgrdman> ? gdb?
2016-09-04T12:22:26 < upgrdman> gdb is for cpu only, iirc
2016-09-04T12:22:42 < c4017__> not gdb
2016-09-04T12:22:45 < upgrdman> o
2016-09-04T12:22:49  * upgrdman googles
2016-09-04T12:23:52 < c4017__> i used it a while back, dont remember how useful it was
2016-09-04T12:24:50 < upgrdman> neat, thx
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2016-09-04T12:30:38 < mra90> hmm do we need gdb with openOCD? I mean isn't openOCD sufficient enough?
2016-09-04T12:30:49 < upgrdman> yes
2016-09-04T12:30:53 < mra90> what cannot be done without GDB?
2016-09-04T12:31:02 < upgrdman> oocd gives you a gdb server
2016-09-04T12:31:29 < upgrdman> without gdb, iirc you cant debug
2016-09-04T12:31:36 < upgrdman> but you can program, erase, etc.
2016-09-04T12:32:12 < mra90> I see step command in openOCD as well
2016-09-04T12:34:35 < upgrdman> wut
2016-09-04T12:36:01 < mra90> I mean openOCD is capable of halting, stepping etc
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2016-09-04T12:51:06 < Steffanx> Mra90 there is http://openocd.org/doc/html/General-Commands.html but why you dont want to use gdb?
2016-09-04T12:51:24 < Steffanx> Openocd has some telnet interface
2016-09-04T12:52:24 < mra90> Steffanx: no I have never said that ;) I am just learning how to use those tools and noticed that openocd share some common commands with GDB that's all
2016-09-04T12:52:34 < dongs> yes cuz gdb isnt a 'telnet interface'
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2016-09-04T13:00:35 < Steffanx> Didnt you mean: all you need is keil.
2016-09-04T13:00:42 < Steffanx> You are getting sloppy dongs
2016-09-04T13:00:49 < stvn> lol
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2016-09-04T13:11:45 < dongs> SMD To Corner Constraint: (0.073mm < 0.254mm) Between Pad C14-1(56.331mm,51.378mm) on Top And Track (56.331mm,51.378mm)(56.331mm,51.896mm) on Top Actual Distance = 0.073mm
2016-09-04T13:11:48 < dongs> the fuck is this?
2016-09-04T13:12:24 < dongs> oh, found it
2016-09-04T13:12:25 < dongs> piece of shit
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2016-09-04T13:19:52 < stvn> right on boss
2016-09-04T13:20:06 < dongs> i fucking hate working wiht imported shit
2016-09-04T13:20:19 < dongs> R2COM-cad adds like 23473298472 design rules
2016-09-04T13:20:33 < dongs> basically a clearance rule for every fucking track/net
2016-09-04T13:20:39 < stvn> :o
2016-09-04T13:20:40 < dongs> (and they're all same)
2016-09-04T13:20:53 < dongs> i guess they dont have default  clerance rules
2016-09-04T13:36:42 < Steffanx> Better not take "easy" freelancer.com jobs again.
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2016-09-04T13:40:38 < dongs> lol
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2016-09-04T13:56:17 < stvn> do you like hot dogs
2016-09-04T13:56:55 < Steffanx> dont eat them often
2016-09-04T13:57:29 < kakimir> give you first good feeling
2016-09-04T13:57:38 < kakimir> glutein rush
2016-09-04T13:57:44 < kakimir> then downs
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2016-09-04T14:01:13 < Laurenceb__> my troll meter is over 9000
2016-09-04T14:01:48 < Steffanx> what where when?
2016-09-04T14:02:13 < Laurenceb__> last night
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2016-09-04T14:07:39 < stvn> who is that?
2016-09-04T14:08:30 < kakimir> NSA
2016-09-04T14:09:31 < stvn> nah that's ChanServ
2016-09-04T14:10:41 < ReadErr> Laurenceb__: ur troll meter?
2016-09-04T14:10:43 < kakimir> they run freenode
2016-09-04T14:10:50 < kakimir> they run ircnet
2016-09-04T14:11:55 < ReadErr> you should start kaknet
2016-09-04T14:14:11 < Steffanx> In dutch kak = shit .. i feel sorry for kakimir
2016-09-04T14:14:43 < ReadErr> lul is dick right
2016-09-04T14:14:48 < ReadErr> in some language
2016-09-04T14:14:58 < stvn> english i think
2016-09-04T14:15:16 < Steffanx> also in dutch.
2016-09-04T14:23:03 < BrainDamage> i've always assumed that kakmir was some shit reference
2016-09-04T14:29:38 < PeterM> i thought it was bukakkemir
2016-09-04T14:31:10 < stvn> google gets me no closer to an answer
2016-09-04T14:35:50 < Steffanx> the answer to what mr stvn?
2016-09-04T14:36:13 < stvn> what is kakimir
2016-09-04T14:37:27 < Steffanx> https://www.facebook.com/kaki.mir its bieber :OOOO
2016-09-04T14:38:13 < stvn> i see
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2016-09-04T14:48:00 < Trumpist> kakimir more like kukimir amirite
2016-09-04T14:48:31 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o kakimir] by ChanServ
2016-09-04T14:48:35 < Steffanx> More like kickimir
2016-09-04T14:51:51 < stvn> good job
2016-09-04T14:52:28 < Steffanx> Registrant Name: Troll SWAG @ HalaTel -_-
2016-09-04T14:52:44 < Laurenceb__> top kek
2016-09-04T14:53:16 < stvn> pumpist
2016-09-04T14:53:33 < Laurenceb__> https://badgerloop.com/
2016-09-04T14:53:41 < Laurenceb__> badgers badgers badgers badgers
2016-09-04T14:53:42 < stvn> click?
2016-09-04T14:53:57 < Steffanx> yes
2016-09-04T14:54:03 < Laurenceb__> its full of javascript
2016-09-04T14:54:14 < Steffanx> so?
2016-09-04T14:54:20 < Laurenceb__> cancer
2016-09-04T14:54:30 < Steffanx> are you still in javascript is baaad meheeeheeehee mode?
2016-09-04T14:54:43 < stvn> coffee
2016-09-04T14:54:48 < Laurenceb__> yup
2016-09-04T14:55:20 < Steffanx> Ill give you a mouse following troll.
2016-09-04T14:55:57 < stvn> now i'm lost
2016-09-04T14:56:15 < Steffanx> You hear voices in the woods?
2016-09-04T14:57:02 < stvn> never been
2016-09-04T14:57:16 < Trumpist> stvn: pump4trump?
2016-09-04T14:57:33 < stvn> i'm not allowed to pump
2016-09-04T14:57:41 < Trumpist> Says who
2016-09-04T14:57:46 < stvn> i can scorp
2016-09-04T14:58:11 < Trumpist>  we on to some brazilian spiders now
2016-09-04T14:58:26 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o kakimir] by ChanServ
2016-09-04T14:58:34 < Steffanx> no kickimir
2016-09-04T15:01:03 < Steffanx> Hi ReadError / ReadErr .
2016-09-04T15:01:07 < Steffanx> Why are you trolling us?
2016-09-04T15:01:29 < Trumpist> its my new 2.99 domain
2016-09-04T15:01:36 < Steffanx> I see.
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2016-09-04T15:01:46 < stvn> he's prepared to die for irc
2016-09-04T15:02:26 < ReadErr> thats the perfect vhost for efnet tho
2016-09-04T15:02:51 < stvn> go into #freenode and ask them for a vhost
2016-09-04T15:03:02 < Steffanx> Better hide your the other domain that you registered this new one with too then ReadErr
2016-09-04T15:03:10 < Steffanx> PING-F.NET
2016-09-04T15:03:41 < ReadErr> Steffanx: none of thats real
2016-09-04T15:04:01 < Steffanx> but Read Error ;)
2016-09-04T15:04:03 < Steffanx> the name.
2016-09-04T15:04:09 < ReadErr> Tech Organization: Read Error
2016-09-04T15:04:09 < ReadErr> Tech Street: 303 Lul Wat Lane
2016-09-04T15:04:14 < ReadErr> ya tru
2016-09-04T15:04:18 < ReadErr> i should mass update
2016-09-04T15:04:53 < Steffanx> i wouldn't have known if it wasn't there.
2016-09-04T15:05:11 < ReadErr> I got another domain too the other day
2016-09-04T15:05:14 < ReadErr> 4the.lol
2016-09-04T15:05:23 < Steffanx> but that address of this domain? You took scammer address?
2016-09-04T15:05:26 < stvn> scorp.up
2016-09-04T15:05:32 < Steffanx> i mean that bulletproof crap
2016-09-04T15:05:38 < Laurenceb__> scro.tum
2016-09-04T15:05:46 < ReadErr> Steffanx: just re-used godaddys priv address
2016-09-04T15:05:51 < Steffanx> oh
2016-09-04T15:06:08 < ReadErr> stvn: u should get that
2016-09-04T15:06:42 < stvn> i wish
2016-09-04T15:09:43 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/0025000834-135-50-Carrier-without-Handle/dp/B00GZIGGJK/ grabbed this mofo for 65$
2016-09-04T15:09:50 < ReadErr> few hours ago
2016-09-04T15:10:27 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C3MDUQ4/ these for $35
2016-09-04T15:10:34 < ReadErr> its like they had some kinda error
2016-09-04T15:10:46 < Laurenceb__> what does it do?
2016-09-04T15:10:53 < stvn> yeah wtf is it
2016-09-04T15:11:17 < ReadErr> Laurenceb__: mates a flask to a hotplate
2016-09-04T15:11:23 < ReadErr> heat xfer
2016-09-04T15:11:26 < Laurenceb__> ah
2016-09-04T15:11:33 < Laurenceb__> methlab
2016-09-04T15:11:36 < stvn> drug lab?
2016-09-04T15:11:38 < stvn> lol
2016-09-04T15:11:40 < ReadErr> lo no
2016-09-04T15:11:46 < ReadErr> i dont like stims really
2016-09-04T15:12:01 < stvn> o
2016-09-04T15:12:04 < ReadErr> why would i make meth, mexico has that shit on lock anyways
2016-09-04T15:12:52 < stvn> idk
2016-09-04T15:13:08 < ReadErr> i do have some booze i wanna distill and age
2016-09-04T15:14:52 < stvn> hmmm
2016-09-04T15:15:13 < stvn> i miss tectu
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2016-09-04T15:17:08 < ReadErr> he misses the high end escorts
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2016-09-04T15:50:43 < Steffanx> Lol stvn tectu addict.
2016-09-04T15:52:41 < wanderman> hi
2016-09-04T15:52:57 < wanderman> < done learning javascript in 4 hours
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2016-09-04T15:53:53 < BrainDamage> ok, let's see how good you are with the type insanity, without trying it, what does []+{} resolve to, despite being completely insane and illogical normally?
2016-09-04T15:54:33 < wanderman> }{ ][
2016-09-04T15:55:00 < wanderman> that is called, insideout-upsidedown algorythem
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2016-09-04T16:14:45 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EogjXitgw0
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2016-09-04T16:23:10 < Steffanx> http://i.imgur.com/eqNYHZ3.png
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2016-09-04T16:46:05 < karlp> Laurenceb__: http://pastebin.com/seybGFkg
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2016-09-04T16:51:53 < karlp> zyp: how many m24lr kits di dyou buy? did you buy them to turn them to reuse the reader board with your apps, as is?
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2016-09-04T16:58:16 < Tectu> Hi
2016-09-04T17:00:37 < englishman> zyp: stm8 is awesome
2016-09-04T17:00:41 < englishman> Tectu: hi cool dude
2016-09-04T17:02:02 < englishman> stm8 vs avr http://i.imgur.com/RTmyhl8.jpg
2016-09-04T17:02:13 < englishman> and avr is 5x the price
2016-09-04T17:02:46 < dongs> the usual excuse is that: i onyl need 2 pins on avr
2016-09-04T17:02:59 < dongs> and I'm a poor hobbyist, so I would rather pay 5x for avr.
2016-09-04T17:03:50 < Tectu> also more letters to type in the blog
2016-09-04T17:04:35 < jadew> what people use is not something that's strictly related to what's available now
2016-09-04T17:04:43 < Steffanx> there is a 6 pin avr too englishman
2016-09-04T17:04:52 < jadew> AVRs have a big history in the hobbyist sphere
2016-09-04T17:04:52 < dongs> Steffanx: ...
2016-09-04T17:04:58 < dongs> Steffanx: part on the left is stm8
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2016-09-04T17:05:02 < Steffanx> ooh
2016-09-04T17:05:04 < Steffanx> fail.
2016-09-04T17:05:16 < dongs> jadew: sucking dick has a long history, does that mean everyone should do it
2016-09-04T17:05:24 < jadew> dongs, yes
2016-09-04T17:05:26 < dongs> k
2016-09-04T17:05:30 < Laurenceb__> go home avr fan
2016-09-04T17:05:37 < englishman> Steffanx: that 6 pin Is the avr.
2016-09-04T17:05:38 < Laurenceb__> time to level up
2016-09-04T17:05:57 < Steffanx> yes, im awake now englishman
2016-09-04T17:06:10 < englishman> Also proper ide and excellent debugger. For $0
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2016-09-04T17:06:20 < jadew> just saying, it's about what materials are available and how easy it was to get into it in the past
2016-09-04T17:06:36 < jadew> if it was easy, people used them, if it wasn't, they didn't
2016-09-04T17:07:00 < jadew> and new waves of hobbyists used whatever the previous guys used because they have what those guys left behind
2016-09-04T17:07:09 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__ you know this channel originated in #avr ? Can you live with that?
2016-09-04T17:07:14 < Steffanx> better kill yourself.
2016-09-04T17:07:26 < dongs> how so
2016-09-04T17:07:27 < Laurenceb__>  /suicide/
2016-09-04T17:07:31 < dongs> AVR rejects migrated here?
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2016-09-04T17:08:09 < Steffanx> no people started using stm32, started the talk in #avr and moved to #stm32
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2016-09-04T17:12:14 < Tectu> I'm currently working with a PIC18F25K22
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2016-09-04T17:13:11 < Steffanx> in assembly of course
2016-09-04T17:13:20 < Steffanx> nanoWatt XLP™ \o/
2016-09-04T17:13:41 < Laurenceb__> Tectu: you must be trolling
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2016-09-04T17:14:45 < Tectu> no, in C with a compiler that can't even handle double-pointers
2016-09-04T17:14:47 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, no, I am not.
2016-09-04T17:14:56 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, uni project
2016-09-04T17:15:34 < Laurenceb__> you are a student now?
2016-09-04T17:16:02 < Sync> > now
2016-09-04T17:16:04 < Sync> pls Laurenceb__
2016-09-04T17:16:08 < Sync> lurk closer
2016-09-04T17:16:24 < Tectu> lol
2016-09-04T17:16:37 < Tectu> I guess Sync answered that question
2016-09-04T17:17:14 < Laurenceb__> what are you doing?
2016-09-04T17:17:56 < Tectu> EE
2016-09-04T17:17:57 < Tectu> well
2016-09-04T17:18:00 < Tectu> embedded systems
2016-09-04T17:18:03 < Tectu> bachelor currently
2016-09-04T17:18:09 < Tectu> last year
2016-09-04T17:18:26 < Laurenceb__> oh I assumed you had a degree already
2016-09-04T17:18:28 < Laurenceb__> good luck
2016-09-04T17:18:29 < Tectu> nah
2016-09-04T17:18:32 < Tectu> I'm 22
2016-09-04T17:18:35 < Tectu> 23*
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2016-09-04T17:18:49 < Tectu> wasted one year with some totally useless school before that
2016-09-04T17:20:23 < emeb>  gah - pic
2016-09-04T17:20:36 < emeb> and not just pic but 8-bit pic
2016-09-04T17:21:14 < Steffanx> better avr
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2016-09-04T17:22:44 < Steffanx> i think you even joined this channel after you knew about it from #avr Laurenceb__
2016-09-04T17:23:06 < Laurenceb__> shhhhh
2016-09-04T17:23:11 < Laurenceb__> apparently it never happened
2016-09-04T17:23:19 < Laurenceb__> I never used an avr in my life
2016-09-04T17:23:42 < emeb> deny everything
2016-09-04T17:24:08 < Sync> dat britlyfe
2016-09-04T17:24:22 < emeb> avr isn't so bad.
2016-09-04T17:24:50 < emeb> but why would you use that when stm32f0 is so cheap?
2016-09-04T17:25:20 < Tectu> because it didn't exist back then, I guess
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2016-09-04T17:26:24 < owl-v-> is there stm32 simulator ?
2016-09-04T17:26:44 < jpa-> qemu can simulate the cortex-m core, but there are no peripheral simulators AFAIK
2016-09-04T17:26:58 < owl-v-> :(
2016-09-04T17:28:30 < Sync> write one
2016-09-04T17:28:33 < owl-v-> for example, no pin interrupt simulator?
2016-09-04T17:28:43 < dongs> owl, keil has one
2016-09-04T17:28:45 < jpa-> nope
2016-09-04T17:29:00 < dongs> i think zyp wrote some peripheral stuff for qemu/stm32
2016-09-04T17:29:07 < dongs> while bored on a flight
2016-09-04T17:29:23 < owl-v-> sorry, i don't have Windows 10 yet...  no keil
2016-09-04T17:29:37 < dongs> it was free for a fucking year
2016-09-04T17:29:40 < dongs> and you missed it
2016-09-04T17:31:50 < Tectu> I think a friend of mine wrote some add-on/extension thingy for qemu that did peripheral simulation with interrupts and crap as part of his master thesis. but I'm not 100% sure
2016-09-04T17:31:55 < Tectu> I can ask tonight, mr. owl-v-
2016-09-04T17:33:18 < owl-v-> thank you. (licking a lollipop)
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2016-09-04T17:34:59 < Sync> there seems to be some shit in gnuarmeclipse
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2016-09-04T17:35:55 < jpa-> http://beckus.github.io/qemu_stm32/   looks like there is this also
2016-09-04T17:36:42 < dongs> cute
2016-09-04T17:36:52 < Laurenceb__> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Amos+6
2016-09-04T17:38:10 < Laurenceb__> Woe to you who are complacent in Zion
2016-09-04T17:38:35 < Laurenceb__> cape Canaveral confirmed as zion
2016-09-04T17:39:43 < Steffanx> oh its sunday. Hi pastor Laurenceb__
2016-09-04T17:40:18 < Steffanx> Did something with the kids yet?
2016-09-04T17:40:21 < Laurenceb__> Steffanx: spacex explosion was supposed to launch "amos 6"
2016-09-04T17:41:01 < Laurenceb__> which was a bible reference (ya really)
2016-09-04T17:41:16 < Laurenceb__> reference is to do with complacency in zion
2016-09-04T17:42:18 < Laurenceb__> I guess if zion == when things are going well and all is ok
2016-09-04T17:42:24 < Laurenceb__> then it is a perfect match to events
2016-09-04T17:43:21 < Laurenceb__> I'm confuse by qemu, do you run with board connected over stlink/jtag?
2016-09-04T17:43:30 < Steffanx> no.
2016-09-04T17:43:52 < Laurenceb__> then why is Olimex Olimexino STM32 Maple Development Board supported?
2016-09-04T17:44:35 < jpa-> because qemu is funny and requires you to name a "machine" that it emulates
2016-09-04T17:44:40 < Laurenceb__> that gets simulated
2016-09-04T17:44:42 < Laurenceb__> weird ok
2016-09-04T17:45:03 < jpa-> makes sense for stuff that has more than just a microcontroller on a board
2016-09-04T17:45:05 < Tectu> calling a function, is passing more arguments more time consuming (for building up the stack frame and stuff) or does passing 1 argument cost as much as passing 10?
2016-09-04T17:45:24 < jpa-> https://github.com/beckus/qemu_stm32/blob/stm32/hw/arm/stm32_maple.c   looks like it hooks up some buttons to gpio peripheral
2016-09-04T17:45:39 < Laurenceb__> Tectu: up to 4 arguments are passed as register arguments
2016-09-04T17:45:47 < Laurenceb__> more than that a pointer is used
2016-09-04T17:45:57 < Steffanx> doesnt that depend on the compiler  and stuff?
2016-09-04T17:46:04 < zyp> when I dicked around with qemu, it had some lm3c thing
2016-09-04T17:46:09 < Laurenceb__> arm-none-eabi
2016-09-04T17:46:16 < jpa-> Laurenceb__: nah, more than that gets passed on stack, not with pointer
2016-09-04T17:46:21 < Laurenceb__> sorry
2016-09-04T17:46:21 < zyp> but I didn't use any of the lm peripherals, just core stuff and semihosting
2016-09-04T17:46:33 < Laurenceb__> yeah thats what I meant, dyslexia
2016-09-04T17:46:40 < jpa-> Tectu: first four are low cost, then more cost one memory write per argument
2016-09-04T17:46:56 < Steffanx> That is the worst excuse i have read today Laurenceb__
2016-09-04T17:47:14 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-09-04T17:47:22 < Laurenceb__> it gets you extra exam tiem in UK
2016-09-04T17:47:40 < Tectu> jpa-, Laurenceb__, is that Cortex-M specific?
2016-09-04T17:47:51 < Steffanx> in dutchland too. And some just take advantage of that. by semi-faking dyslexia.
2016-09-04T17:47:52 < zyp> yes
2016-09-04T17:48:00 < zyp> Tectu, it's ABI dependent
2016-09-04T17:48:01 < jpa-> Tectu: applies for most common architectures
2016-09-04T17:48:09 < Tectu> PIC18F? :p
2016-09-04T17:48:13 < zyp> no.
2016-09-04T17:48:32 < jpa-> dunno, there it depends a lot on compiler
2016-09-04T17:48:38 < zyp> pic doesn't have enough registers to pass arguments, so I assume its ABI is all stack
2016-09-04T17:48:40 < jpa-> probably: very slow
2016-09-04T17:48:46 < Tectu> okay
2016-09-04T17:48:48 < Tectu> thanks guys
2016-09-04T17:48:50 < Laurenceb__> pic == very slow
2016-09-04T17:49:04 < Tectu> zyp, not enough -> it has exactly one
2016-09-04T17:49:29 < zyp> yeah, but I don't think it's used at all for arguments, just return value
2016-09-04T17:49:31 < Steffanx> why pic Tectu. whhy. stuff can be such pita with pic. Like sometimes you can't have a call stack etc. in your environment because not supported.
2016-09-04T17:49:55 < Tectu> I'm confused anyway.... it has an 8-bit datapath. "the" register is 8 bits wide too. However, it has 16-bit addressing. this would mean that all the pointers are 16-bits too, no? so passing a pointer to a function would already require to build a call stack?
2016-09-04T17:50:09 < Tectu> Steffanx, I know. I didn't choose it.
2016-09-04T17:50:23 < Steffanx> better make them unchoose.
2016-09-04T17:50:30 < Tectu> lulz
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2016-09-04T17:59:27 < Laurenceb__> http://hackaday.com/2016/09/04/russian-hacker-multiplies-value-of-boost-converter/
2016-09-04T17:59:33  * Laurenceb__ is unconvinced
2016-09-04T17:59:47 < Laurenceb__> you only lose about 10% of the capacity with a ldo
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2016-09-04T18:02:07 < zyp> yeah, at low loads, battery is practically empty when it hits 3.3
2016-09-04T18:02:53 < Laurenceb__> just need a good ldo so it can shut down at 3.35v
2016-09-04T18:02:59 < Laurenceb__> thats what I do on my dataloggers
2016-09-04T18:04:45 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/AcHkc.png <- here's shit I dicked around with five years ago
2016-09-04T18:04:51 < zyp> battery discharge
2016-09-04T18:06:11 < Laurenceb__> looks about right
2016-09-04T18:06:25 < Laurenceb__> even better than my lipo cells from farnell
2016-09-04T18:06:32 < emeb> besides - isn't it a bad thing to deep discharge a lithium battery?
2016-09-04T18:06:36 < zyp> yep
2016-09-04T18:06:37 < Laurenceb__> yeah it is
2016-09-04T18:07:08 < Laurenceb__> farnell lipos are horribly overpriced, but it means I can give the assembly company a parts list thats all from farnell
2016-09-04T18:07:43 < Laurenceb__> and datalogger sell for UKP6k so who cares
2016-09-04T18:07:49 < Laurenceb__> *+s
2016-09-04T18:09:22 < Laurenceb__> http://uk.farnell.com/bak/lp-503759-is-3/battery-lithium-pol-3-7v-1300/dp/2077882
2016-09-04T18:09:40 < dongs> haha
2016-09-04T18:09:48 < dongs> nice price man
2016-09-04T18:12:38 < Laurenceb__> yeah you pay for convenience
2016-09-04T18:14:24 < emeb> 6k? nice margins bro
2016-09-04T18:14:40 < Laurenceb__> heh
2016-09-04T18:14:57 < dongs> so this board got outsourced to some pcb layout place
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2016-09-04T18:15:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/H2OcyZo.png they had one job
2016-09-04T18:15:30 < Laurenceb__> well for that they also get the data processing and shit
2016-09-04T18:15:47 < dongs> they couldnt evne draw 3 different connectors from same series same way
2016-09-04T18:16:26 < Laurenceb__> holy speculation
2016-09-04T18:16:27 < Laurenceb__> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=30981.1200
2016-09-04T18:18:17 < emeb> foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds
2016-09-04T18:18:19 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXqG-R8O39g that is really awesome
2016-09-04T18:18:35 < dongs> but yeah sorry, the explanation is prety simple
2016-09-04T18:18:45 < dongs> i was in florida last week and did amos 6
2016-09-04T18:20:28 < Steffanx> you made it ejeculate premature?
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2016-09-04T18:47:41 < dongs> so are the tools/trolls claiming its a fucking UFO shooting down jewsat?
2016-09-04T18:55:30 < Laurenceb__> well those are the guys who believe emdrive works
2016-09-04T18:55:42 < Laurenceb__> so who knows what crazy shit they are going to come up with
2016-09-04T18:58:34 < Laurenceb__> lul they have way too much free time
2016-09-04T18:58:35 < Laurenceb__> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=30981.msg1578329#msg1578329
2016-09-04T18:59:13 < dongs> haha
2016-09-04T18:59:19 < dongs> has anyone measured groundspeed of that bird
2016-09-04T18:59:25 < dongs> that flies across during explosion?
2016-09-04T19:00:22 < Laurenceb__> it was missile bird
2016-09-04T19:00:31 < dongs> no it was a penisbird
2016-09-04T19:00:38 < Laurenceb__> as its close to the camera it looks much faster than it really was
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2016-09-04T19:14:34 < daey> is there any other way than  SPI_CR1_BAUDRATE_FPCLK_DIV_2 to get the SPI to be quicker?
2016-09-04T19:14:45 < dongs> no
2016-09-04T19:14:50 < dongs> you can use different SPI
2016-09-04T19:14:54 < dongs> thats on AHB1 or whatever
2016-09-04T19:14:59 < dongs> FCLK/2 for that one max
2016-09-04T19:15:10 < daey> it should be enough
2016-09-04T19:15:14 < daey> but its only doing 8Mhz :/
2016-09-04T19:15:17 < dongs> er?
2016-09-04T19:15:23 < dongs> is your sysclk setup properly then?
2016-09-04T19:15:23 < Sync> Major catastrophic failures rarely if ever result from a single causative factor.
2016-09-04T19:15:41 < daey> hm
2016-09-04T19:16:00 < dongs> which processor which SPIx and what clockspeed od you tihnk youre running at
2016-09-04T19:16:51 < daey> SPI1 STM32F411
2016-09-04T19:17:16 < dongs> so 42Mhz max for that one
2016-09-04T19:17:43 < Steffanx> "<Laurenceb__> lul they have way too much free time" something with pot and kettle.
2016-09-04T19:17:46 < dongs> you probably didnt configure clocks and your mcu is just running at 16mhz
2016-09-04T19:18:14 < dongs> output clock to MCO pin and scope it and see what youre at
2016-09-04T19:21:10 < daey> dongs: how do i setup the clock?
2016-09-04T19:21:58 < dongs> system_stm32f4xx or wahtever g enerated from excel or HAL/cube shit if  youre using that
2016-09-04T19:22:19 < daey> ah ok i thought theres a libopencm3 function for that
2016-09-04T19:22:26 < dongs> tehre probably is
2016-09-04T19:22:34 < dongs> something rcc related im sure.
2016-09-04T19:27:24 < jpa-> on STM32F7, can ITCM ram be used for data storage? it says "reserved only for CPU instructions", but i can't see what would stop one from using it for data
2016-09-04T19:27:25 < dongs> jpa-: im kinda curious what would be the usecase for qemu stm32. like, you can just step + debug it right on hardware pretty much same..
2016-09-04T19:27:33 < jpa-> dongs: indeed
2016-09-04T19:27:41 < jpa-> dongs: automatic testing perhaps
2016-09-04T19:27:43 < dongs> especiually why pebble made one
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2016-09-04T19:30:28 < daey> dongs: right the system_stm32f4xx ... i wonder why i dont have it :D
2016-09-04T19:31:09 < jpa-> dongs: http://appdevelopermagazine.com/1313/2014/4/14/How-Pebble-Converted-135,070-Customized-Watchfaces-For-Pebble-OS-v2.0/   looks like they made it because they had bazillion customized firmwares for v1 of their system, and needed to automatically port them to v2
2016-09-04T19:31:54 < jpa-> (silly thing being that they had watchface generator application, which didn't save the GUI settings but instead generated binary directly)
2016-09-04T19:34:15 < kakimir> thats cool looking watchfaces
2016-09-04T19:34:22 < kakimir> how much?
2016-09-04T19:35:10 < kakimir> from around 90eur to 300eur
2016-09-04T19:44:41 < daey> just so i understand it. theres an internal clock that can be activated/deactivated. and then theres a PLL that generates the main clock, which then can be distributed to the different modules?
2016-09-04T19:51:01 < kakimir> why nobody is so cool that bodymods watch right into wrist bones?
2016-09-04T19:53:56 < kakimir> actually how about placing seperate glass sealed led segments inside arm skin
2016-09-04T19:54:22 < kakimir> future maybe
2016-09-04T19:56:43 < ReadError> [10:05:16] dongs:	jadew: sucking dick has a long history, does that mean everyone should do it
2016-09-04T19:56:44 < ReadError> lol
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2016-09-04T20:17:30 < daey> yeay internet outage ~.~
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2016-09-04T20:20:20 < kakimir> install emergency supply of internets
2016-09-04T20:23:29 < Laurenceb__> emergency biscuit
2016-09-04T20:24:19 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC_Ef_acB7E
2016-09-04T20:29:28 < kakimir> when my circuit drives AC DC module and power SSRs with same fuse
2016-09-04T20:29:41 < kakimir> should I butt 2 fuses instead maybe
2016-09-04T20:30:02 < kakimir> hmm or per load fues
2016-09-04T20:30:03 < kakimir> fuses
2016-09-04T20:30:19 < kakimir> and main fuse
2016-09-04T20:31:25 < Laurenceb__> would need to see a schematic, I don't follow
2016-09-04T20:31:47 < Laurenceb__> lul just got a latex file with inline eps
2016-09-04T20:31:55 < Laurenceb__> guess thats like c with inline asm
2016-09-04T20:34:02 < kakimir> I but smd fuse for ACDC
2016-09-04T20:34:26 < kakimir> if fuse goes - soldering is required anyways for changing of ADDC
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2016-09-04T21:00:59 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNniZocRlt8 so good
2016-09-04T21:02:25 < kakimir> nsfw
2016-09-04T21:04:21 < englishman> dongs did jewsat
2016-09-04T21:07:38 < Steffanx> yes, it is known.
2016-09-04T21:09:17 < kakimir> ?
2016-09-04T21:18:05 < Laurenceb__> http://www.iflscience.com/technology/rumored-emdrive-paper-suggests-the-controversial-thruster-actually-works/
2016-09-04T21:18:12 < Laurenceb__> ur nur
2016-09-04T21:19:31 < Steffanx> Where do you get the time to read all this crap Laurenceb__?
2016-09-04T21:19:46 < Steffanx> i mean you spend as much time crapping this as they spend on this crap
2016-09-04T21:20:24 < Laurenceb__> yeah but I achieve something
2016-09-04T21:20:35 < Laurenceb__> I make you go into rage mode on irc
2016-09-04T21:22:12 < Steffanx> Im no longer raging about this crap. Trolling now.
2016-09-04T21:22:29 < Laurenceb__>  2016 is the year of the EmDrive
2016-09-04T21:22:35 < englishman> ^
2016-09-04T21:22:51 < Laurenceb__> EmDrive may replace all forms of propulsion
2016-09-04T21:23:07 < Laurenceb__> EmDrive may your mum
2016-09-04T21:23:18 < kakimir> EhmDrive
2016-09-04T21:24:03 < Laurenceb__> lul its all one guy https://twitter.com/FxPhilW
2016-09-04T21:24:08 < Laurenceb__> check photos
2016-09-04T21:24:37 < Steffanx> Crapping crap is your quest, crapping you is mine.
2016-09-04T21:24:48 < Steffanx> Which boils down to both crapping crap.
2016-09-04T21:25:16 < Laurenceb__> amaze logic
2016-09-04T21:26:57 < Laurenceb__> I run a business building and selling successfully tested EmDrives.  It is no longer about proving it works. That phase is over.
2016-09-04T21:32:58 < Steffanx> better start selling horse telemetry
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2016-09-04T21:33:51 < Laurenceb__> emdrive powered horse
2016-09-04T21:33:58 < Laurenceb__> I'm not even sure how that would work
2016-09-04T21:38:25 < scummos> does anybody have an explanation yet on how this is actually supposed to work
2016-09-04T21:41:29 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__ can explain. He knows all about it.
2016-09-04T21:42:30 < Laurenceb__> scummos: suckers go in one end
2016-09-04T21:42:43 < Laurenceb__> suckers come out the other end with no money
2016-09-04T21:42:50 < Laurenceb__> coke and hookers come out of the side
2016-09-04T21:43:18 < Steffanx> You just can't explain how they think it work and just crap it?
2016-09-04T21:43:22 < Steffanx> *works
2016-09-04T21:44:09 < Rob235> you expect a legit answer to a question in this room?
2016-09-04T21:44:47 < Steffanx> false hopes?
2016-09-04T21:45:05 < Steffanx> -s
2016-09-04T21:45:28 < Laurenceb__> someone should make an emdrive rap
2016-09-04T21:45:38 < Laurenceb__> like the cern rap but with added troll lyrics
2016-09-04T21:45:40 < Rob235> why not you
2016-09-04T21:45:55 < Laurenceb__> too busy raging at tex files with embedded eps
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2016-09-04T21:46:03 < Steffanx> are you still doing that?
2016-09-04T21:46:06 < scummos> :D hahaha
2016-09-04T21:46:21 < Steffanx> i bet i can find some logs you started doing this 3 years ago
2016-09-04T21:47:13 < Laurenceb__> its all I ever do
2016-09-04T21:47:20 < Laurenceb__> well ~60% of my time
2016-09-04T21:47:40 < Laurenceb__> rage at report formatting going wrong
2016-09-04T21:48:10 < Steffanx> in latex one does not care about formatting right? That's what one does in word
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2016-09-04T21:49:47 < Laurenceb__> yeah but when you have to load over 9000 config files...
2016-09-04T21:49:56 < Rob235> I thought there was supposed to be a big storm today? its pretty sunny out
2016-09-04T21:49:58 < Laurenceb__> with no documentation
2016-09-04T21:50:14 < Rob235> I was waiting until wednesday to go fly but weather seems fine today
2016-09-04T21:50:19 < Laurenceb__> and you ring the publisher and they have one pc from 1990 with everything setup correctly
2016-09-04T21:50:36 < Laurenceb__> but the hard drive failed in 1998
2016-09-04T21:50:53 < Laurenceb__> and the guy who wrote the code died
2016-09-04T21:51:50 < Laurenceb__> thats when I go rage mode
2016-09-04T21:54:20 < Steffanx> That config/dependency crap happens all the time when people use latex. Love it.
2016-09-04T21:55:13 < Laurenceb__> I think I've managed to assemble all the files I need now, still have 0 documentation
2016-09-04T22:25:10 < kakimir> when I work on schematics hard I feel like it drains my soul
2016-09-04T22:25:39 < kakimir> rage
2016-09-04T22:29:33 < Steffanx> Taking a break wont kill you.
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2016-09-04T22:35:53 < kakimir> I... can.. not.. stop
2016-09-04T22:36:24 < kakimir> it's obsessive rage editing
2016-09-04T22:43:42 < kakimir> there is no screenshots
2016-09-04T22:43:58 < kakimir> how it's bossibles
2016-09-04T22:45:04 < Steffanx> Y u no make screenshot?
2016-09-04T22:45:23 < Steffanx> What is a bossible supposed to be mr kakimir?
2016-09-04T22:50:54 < kakimir> boss + possible
2016-09-04T22:52:32 < kakimir> Steffanx: you have a lot of free time at the moment?
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2016-09-04T22:52:56 < kakimir> holiday?
2016-09-04T22:55:02 < Steffanx> Nope. Sadly not.
2016-09-04T22:55:08 < Steffanx> Its weekend..
2016-09-04T22:55:46 < Steffanx> As long one does not have a gf, wife or kids one had free time
2016-09-04T22:56:35 < kakimir> true
2016-09-04T22:57:31 < Laurenceb__> I know why the falcon rocket exploded, it was covered in ice
2016-09-04T22:57:35 < Laurenceb__> aquadoc.typepad.com/files/prog_hum_geogr-2016_.pdf
2016-09-04T22:57:56 < Laurenceb__> perhaps the ice was glacial
2016-09-04T22:58:49 < kakimir> any cool innovations by Laurenceb__ latelly?
2016-09-04T22:59:26 < Laurenceb__> yeah I just made that pdf with my latex config
2016-09-04T22:59:29 < Laurenceb__>  /troll
2016-09-04T23:00:04 < Steffanx> Im surprised that paper is not by women only
2016-09-04T23:00:45 < kakimir> any electronic innovation Laurenceb__ ?
2016-09-04T23:01:09 < Laurenceb__> nah, raging at latex
2016-09-04T23:01:33 < Laurenceb__> I think I made it behave, but there are so few docs for this shit I dont know what "working properly" looks like
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2016-09-04T23:03:29 < Laurenceb__> http://compassionateactivism.leadpages.co/workshop-healing-whiteness/?utm_source=website&utm_medium=housead&utm_campaign=articlebodyad
2016-09-04T23:03:37  * Laurenceb__ books a place
2016-09-04T23:10:36 < Steffanx> Dont forget to wear your fav. dress and lipstick.
2016-09-04T23:12:48 < Laurenceb__> or you could just wash off the bleach
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2016-09-04T23:15:22 < Steffanx> Lol, im not even sure what that is supposed to mean.
2016-09-04T23:16:35 < kakimir> when it's Laurenceb__ you can't know if it's a bad joke, a pun or just complete randomness
2016-09-04T23:17:02 < Laurenceb__> maybe its all of those things
2016-09-04T23:17:24 < Steffanx> bad pun*
2016-09-04T23:18:02 < kakimir> it has undefined quantum state
2016-09-04T23:18:37 < Rob235> nsfw: http://buzzkenya.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Kisumu-man-with-rare-illness-1.png
2016-09-04T23:19:00 < Laurenceb__> mostly I just repost shit from /r/cringeanarchy
2016-09-04T23:20:38 < Rob235> what a waste of a day, damn
2016-09-04T23:21:06 < Rob235> I gotta do something... should I clean the apartment or do some coding
2016-09-04T23:21:36 < kakimir> do punpin
2016-09-04T23:21:44 < Rob235> I would if I knew what it was
2016-09-04T23:22:02 < Laurenceb__> https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeAnarchy/comments/50rvv0/toxic_whiteness/?st=isp28nbn&sh=f6594a97
2016-09-04T23:24:11 < Rob235> I'm hungry, someone make me a stroopwaffel
2016-09-04T23:24:55 < kakimir> I will make you sauerkraut
2016-09-04T23:25:18 < Rob235> what am I going to put it on?
2016-09-04T23:25:41 < Laurenceb__> moar liek sour krout
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2016-09-04T23:28:06 < Rob235> I need a way to store my random electronics parts, throwing them in small ziplocs and tossing that in a cardboard box is starting to take too long to find stuff now that my collection is slowly growing
2016-09-04T23:33:10 < Laurenceb__> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120509124000AACKNVX
2016-09-04T23:38:25 < kakimir> Rob235: a sec
2016-09-04T23:40:06 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQjhpb1dldnhpdW8/view?usp=sharing build a shelf
2016-09-04T23:40:52 < kakimir> also another thing
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2016-09-04T23:43:28 < kakimir> you don't want bulk shit like >10 amounts of connectors and stuff in there
2016-09-04T23:43:35 < kakimir> assortments
2016-09-04T23:43:46 < kakimir> load of electrolytic caps
2016-09-04T23:45:13 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKREZrWGJyY29Ucjg/view?usp=sharing these cost like 3euros or so
2016-09-04T23:46:12 < kakimir> also parts used in all projects should be in some such box for easy reach
2016-09-04T23:46:57 < kakimir> or just laying on table
2016-09-04T23:48:48 < kakimir> or find freestanding rotating thing like this https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbTFkeVhVQXNrM2M/view?usp=sharing
2016-09-04T23:49:29 < Rob235> yea, I need a bigger apartment first
2016-09-04T23:50:01 < kakimir> those rotating things are expensives
2016-09-04T23:50:06 < Rob235> actually I'm sure I could find room for something like the second one
2016-09-04T23:50:08 < Rob235> ahh
2016-09-04T23:50:28 < Rob235> fuck that for now, plastic bags and cardboard boxes are fine :)
2016-09-04T23:50:43 < kakimir> name them boxes
2016-09-04T23:50:46 < kakimir> and get more of them
2016-09-04T23:50:52 < Rob235> yea, more organization
2016-09-04T23:50:53 < Steffanx> Rob235 i knew i was gong to see that photo in here when i saw it.
2016-09-04T23:50:57 < kakimir> and butt boxes inside boxes
2016-09-04T23:50:58 < Rob235> maybe use some duct tape to create partitions
2016-09-04T23:51:34 < Rob235> Steffanx: what does that mean, isn't that the case for any picture you've ever seen?
2016-09-04T23:52:13 < Steffanx> Nope. Most of the time its here i see something first. Unless its old.
2016-09-04T23:53:22 < Steffanx> Laurence was occupied i guess
2016-09-04T23:58:29 < Steffanx> Im not a (2^x)chan or reddit visitor. So when i say something is old it must be here or old enough to get to the mainstream web
2016-09-04T23:58:52 < Steffanx> Must have been posted here*
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2016-09-05T00:03:29 < Steffanx> Whats that tube thing in the middle of the bench doing kakimir?
2016-09-05T00:06:44 < Rob235> looks like ventilation
2016-09-05T00:06:58 < Rob235> with some light suction
2016-09-05T00:07:16 < Steffanx> Yez. But its all the way done. Not sure how that is supposed to work
2016-09-05T00:07:24 < Steffanx> Down*
2016-09-05T00:08:29 < upgrdman> good thing he's wearing a helmet https://i.imgur.com/zd6eyHn.gifv
2016-09-05T00:08:30 < Rob235> I'm not going to guess :)
2016-09-05T00:10:15 < Rob235> that takes some balls
2016-09-05T00:11:43 < Steffanx> Damn..
2016-09-05T00:12:20 < Rob235> haha I ripped into one of these stickers trying to figure them out.  I had to google them to find out that water stickers exist
2016-09-05T00:14:36 < aandrew> upgrdman: yeah fuck that whole video
2016-09-05T00:15:21 < upgrdman> :)
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2016-09-05T00:20:58 < upgrdman> :) http://i.imgur.com/m0ru5Tm.gifv
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2016-09-05T00:25:00 < kakimir> where to order movs?
2016-09-05T00:25:16 < kakimir> china ebay good?
2016-09-05T00:28:19 < kakimir> time for second mouser order maybe
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2016-09-05T00:32:11 < upgrdman> jap robots  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXni-m_Qp_Y
2016-09-05T00:33:22 < kakimir> okay that's cool
2016-09-05T00:34:56 < Getty> at which point in time they stop using pattern that flicker on HD TV series
2016-09-05T00:36:10 < Getty> i mean its even a netflix original, they KNOW how it will be displayed for the target customers
2016-09-05T00:39:21 < kakimir> where is jadew
2016-09-05T00:40:32 < Laurenceb__> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781119038092.ch1/summary
2016-09-05T00:40:35 < Laurenceb__> WTF
2016-09-05T00:42:13 < kakimir> combine star wars and feminisms-ism Laurenceb__
2016-09-05T00:42:27 < Laurenceb__> omg
2016-09-05T00:42:29 < Laurenceb__> paper tiem
2016-09-05T00:47:35 < Laurenceb__> a feminist epistemology of the dark side
2016-09-05T00:48:48 < Laurenceb__> star wars is a social construct
2016-09-05T00:48:59 < Laurenceb__> actually that might actually be true, so not a good paper
2016-09-05T00:50:57 < kakimir> viewed from mains side
2016-09-05T00:51:16 < kakimir> do you butt first CMC or MOV and all the filtering
2016-09-05T00:51:20 < kakimir> ?
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2016-09-05T00:51:57 < kakimir> I think it's mains -> fuse -> cmc -> mov'n'shit
2016-09-05T00:59:27 < englishman> Laurenceb__: if you are raging at latex you are doing it wrong
2016-09-05T00:59:38 < englishman> Latex Is a language of peace
2016-09-05T00:59:50 < Laurenceb__> Latex is the dark side
2016-09-05T01:00:18 < englishman> Latex is how you can tell em:drive from real science
2016-09-05T01:00:45 < Laurenceb__> truth
2016-09-05T01:12:56 < Rob235> is xanax the adult version of weed?
2016-09-05T01:13:45 < Rob235> nvm
2016-09-05T01:14:46 < c4017> gho
2016-09-05T01:14:58 < c4017> um... wrong window
2016-09-05T01:15:01 < englishman> sobriety is the adult version of weed
2016-09-05T01:15:21 < Rob235> :)
2016-09-05T01:17:05 < kakimir> englishman is on the point
2016-09-05T01:18:12 < Rob235> I had no words, I gave a gentle smile as I raised my limp white flag in defeat
2016-09-05T01:20:06 < kakimir> englishman: one beer time to time maybe?
2016-09-05T01:20:27 < kakimir> because else rekt
2016-09-05T01:23:19 < Laurenceb__> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30981.0;attach=1366139;image
2016-09-05T01:23:31 < Laurenceb__> falcon9 explosion solved
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2016-09-05T01:24:16 < Sync> illuminati confirmed
2016-09-05T01:25:20 < kakimir> that must be fake fire Laurenceb__
2016-09-05T01:25:37 < kakimir> I can't believe it
2016-09-05T01:26:20 < Laurenceb__> I actually have an idea for what happened
2016-09-05T01:26:43 < Laurenceb__> super cooled liquid oxygen caused oxygen in the air to condense inside the corkboard insulation
2016-09-05T01:26:52 < Laurenceb__> turning it into high explosive :P
2016-09-05T01:31:53 < kakimir> okay
2016-09-05T01:31:58 < kakimir> what lit it?
2016-09-05T01:32:38 < Laurenceb__> its self detonating if the right contaminants were there
2016-09-05T01:33:20 < englishman> dongs bought a russian rocket launcher from r2com and used it to blow up jewsat
2016-09-05T01:34:09 < englishman> preventing zuckerberggoldstein's  march across Africa and saving his African brothers
2016-09-05T01:35:01 < Laurenceb__> I think it was the eternal anglo
2016-09-05T01:37:30 < Laurenceb__> http://cdn.4archive.org:88/view.php?id=http%3A//i.imgur.com/AAQn3slm.jpg
2016-09-05T01:38:33 < englishman> Laurenceb__: link to nasaforum conspiracy thread again plz
2016-09-05T01:38:54 < Laurenceb__> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=30981.1260
2016-09-05T01:39:20 < englishman> thx
2016-09-05T01:39:27 < englishman> how's the brexit going
2016-09-05T01:40:18 < Laurenceb__> good, we killed some poles
2016-09-05T01:40:49 < Laurenceb__> for even more batshit insanity http://www.ghostnasa.com/
2016-09-05T01:42:03 < emeb> searching for insanity on the internet is too easy
2016-09-05T01:42:50 < kakimir> killing off poles has already begun Laurenceb__ ?
2016-09-05T01:43:15 < englishman> britskrieg
2016-09-05T01:43:20 < Laurenceb__> yup
2016-09-05T01:43:31 < Laurenceb__> civic nationalist death squads
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2016-09-05T02:00:32 < upgrdman> lol https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SMTUzYINeT8/TZ8OFx3TXyI/AAAAAAAAASg/6tJzoJt6RY4/s1600/Trump+White+Tower.jpg
2016-09-05T02:11:23 < upgrdman> nice http://i.imgur.com/fWbMHar.jpg
2016-09-05T02:12:42 < Laurenceb__> ghostnasa is funny, but after you have stopped laughing you worry about his sanity
2016-09-05T02:12:51 < Laurenceb__> kind of like templeos guy
2016-09-05T02:16:31 < upgrdman> typical eclipse ide setup:  https://i.imgur.com/8SiQRqW.png
2016-09-05T02:16:40 < englishman> agreed
2016-09-05T02:17:13 < englishman> notice neither Search nor Classic Search actually found anything
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2016-09-05T02:26:33 < stvn> good morning pro32
2016-09-05T02:29:03 < aandrew> dongs: ever hear of http://www.dragonwinnerltd.com/ ?
2016-09-05T02:31:12 < stvn> http://www.dragonwinnerltd.com/index.php?lang=en
2016-09-05T02:32:03 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/hbxCP  <-- does anyone recognize this sch/pcb package? it's windows based but that's all I can see
2016-09-05T02:32:08 < stvn> Your aspirations is still Dragon Winner's mission
2016-09-05T02:33:20 < englishman> sup crt http://i.imgur.com/uYqd1qT.jpg
2016-09-05T02:34:02 < englishman> uh aandrew the nrf didnt give it away
2016-09-05T02:34:05 < englishman> ?
2016-09-05T02:34:30 < englishman> nrf51822?
2016-09-05T02:34:31 < aandrew> englishman: I'm aware of the parts
2016-09-05T02:34:36 < englishman> ohh
2016-09-05T02:34:39 < englishman> you mean the eda package
2016-09-05T02:34:40 < aandrew> I'm asking if anyone recognizes the EDA package the schematic was entered in
2016-09-05T02:34:43 < englishman> k k
2016-09-05T02:35:09 < aandrew> I almost want to say cadence but I very seriously doubt the people I got this from run that
2016-09-05T02:35:23 < englishman> this looks way better than orscab
2016-09-05T02:35:40 < aandrew> it could also be a highly modified eagle but the font isn't quite right
2016-09-05T02:35:51 < stvn> thankyou for the gift englishman
2016-09-05T02:37:44 < aandrew> the schematic file header is similarly unhelpful: 00 fe 0d 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
2016-09-05T02:56:54 < englishman> whats the extension
2016-09-05T02:57:23 < aandrew> sch and pcb
2016-09-05T02:57:34 < englishman> helpful
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2016-09-05T02:57:57 < aandrew> I could lie
2016-09-05T02:58:03 < stvn> contact the dogs
2016-09-05T02:58:19 < englishman> it does kinda look like orscab
2016-09-05T02:58:48 < stvn> since R2 says orcad is best, that means it should load anything
2016-09-05T02:59:20 < stvn> does that make sense
2016-09-05T02:59:28 < Laurenceb__> maybe toxic masculinity condensed on the surface of the carbon fibre inside Elon Musks falcon 9
2016-09-05T03:00:37 < aandrew> ok I guess i'll have to spin up orcad and see if it imports the shit
2016-09-05T03:00:50 < stvn> Laurenceb__: is that why it blew up?
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2016-09-05T03:01:36 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2016-09-05T03:01:46 < Laurenceb__> it was a homosocial surface
2016-09-05T03:01:58 < stvn> i've heard there was an unstable hyperloop involved
2016-09-05T03:02:07 < Laurenceb__> http://research.gold.ac.uk/11135/
2016-09-05T03:02:29 < Laurenceb__> the rocket does look like a penis
2016-09-05T03:04:03 < stvn> oh
2016-09-05T03:04:22 < stvn> thats rather tragic
2016-09-05T03:05:32 < kakimir> ac.uk?
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2016-09-05T03:11:33 < Sync> yeah that kinda look like orswag
2016-09-05T03:13:11 < stvn> pcb sweg
2016-09-05T03:18:59 < stvn> please
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2016-09-05T03:37:35 < stvn> kakimir: how is the autonomous tractor?
2016-09-05T03:40:26 < englishman> stm32 in the sky https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s7s43KJcgo
2016-09-05T03:46:49 < Rob235> hmm, I can't seem to connect to youtube
2016-09-05T03:48:36 < englishman> ever tried putting a bit of scorpion venom in your weed liquid stuff
2016-09-05T03:48:43 < Rob235> berb
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2016-09-05T03:48:49 < englishman> weed mustard
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2016-09-05T03:51:51 < dongs> aandrew: no but looks like typical chink cloners of stuff, what about them?
2016-09-05T03:52:42 < dongs> aandrew: their DW4056 is just a clone of LTC4056
2016-09-05T03:54:21 < dongs> eh or not, but that part# jumped out as something I've used/looked at before
2016-09-05T03:54:58 < Sync> dongs: mr aandrew is looking for the schematic capture softwarez and not the content
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2016-09-05T03:56:07 < dongs> wut
2016-09-05T03:57:28 < dongs> Sync: oh, i didnt notice he was talking about PCB cad later. he linked to some chink LDO/junk maker
2016-09-05T03:57:36 < englishman> the dragonrocket stuff
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2016-09-05T04:00:23 < Rob235> woop woop
2016-09-05T04:00:32 < dongs> aandrew: almost looks like electronics workbench without a grid
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2016-09-05T05:33:24 < dongs> zyp: http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/embedded-software/mcus-embedded-software/stm32-embedded-software/stm32cube-expansion-software/x-cube-usb-pd.html
2016-09-05T05:33:33 < dongs> bingo
2016-09-05T05:35:40 < dongs> oh lawld, the "usb-pd" library provided in binary format wiht template C files for user application
2016-09-05T05:50:16 < stvn> fucken
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2016-09-05T05:54:32 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/group0/a6/91/45/9e/12/a0/4d/42/DM00235987/files/DM00235987.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00235987.pdf excellent appnote
2016-09-05T06:04:49 < LeelooMinai> By a chance, anyone design a board around stm32L432(KC) maybe?
2016-09-05T06:04:55 < LeelooMinai> designed*
2016-09-05T06:06:24 < LeelooMinai> Cannot get the buggers to work through SWD:/
2016-09-05T06:06:49 < dongs> start by pasting schematic and layout.
2016-09-05T06:08:16 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, I am just asking a general question to see if there's some known problem with them (I read the errata), since I tested my boards with pin-compatible STM32L051K8 and they work fine.
2016-09-05T06:08:28 < Thorn> http://coub.com/view/ei6qc
2016-09-05T06:08:45 < LeelooMinai> I tested 3 boards like that - it's pretty weird.
2016-09-05T06:08:55 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/group0/a8/3b/92/a8/91/56/46/d9/DM00260952/files/DM00260952.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00260952.pdf
2016-09-05T06:18:12 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/LwxzkVq.jpg
2016-09-05T06:20:45 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/rwgJwkw.png ...
2016-09-05T06:23:31 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/lcVekqx.png
2016-09-05T06:23:49 < dongs> paywarealpha takes like 50 seconds to load up
2016-09-05T06:23:55 < dongs> google is nearly instant
2016-09-05T06:24:11 < dongs> thats not the point, this worked be fore
2016-09-05T06:24:18 < englishman> sounds great
2016-09-05T06:24:22 < englishman> totally wrong, but fast
2016-09-05T06:24:33 < stvn> what fucking drugs is that on
2016-09-05T06:24:36 < LeelooMinai> Well, there's a delay, but I just timed it - took 5-6 seconds
2016-09-05T06:25:08 < stvn> dongs one converted thou to inch
2016-09-05T06:25:15 < stvn> think google is stoning
2016-09-05T06:25:29 < englishman> google fail http://i.imgur.com/eTicRXv.png
2016-09-05T06:25:50 < dongs> switching to bing right now
2016-09-05T06:25:55 < LeelooMinai> That looks right though
2016-09-05T06:26:23 < englishman> was wolfram wrong or bing wrong
2016-09-05T06:26:35 < stvn> jesus was wrong.
2016-09-05T06:26:41 < LeelooMinai> You typed 512, but it was 542
2016-09-05T06:26:44 < englishman> your cat is sad
2016-09-05T06:26:45 < englishman> oh
2016-09-05T06:26:46 < englishman> k
2016-09-05T06:27:06 < dongs> whats funny is google auto-suggestion thing in the search box
2016-09-05T06:27:09 < englishman> bing is better
2016-09-05T06:27:10 < englishman> 13.7668
2016-09-05T06:27:11 < dongs> properly shows 542mil = 13.xxmm
2016-09-05T06:27:23 < dongs> but when you press the query, it shows up in inch
2016-09-05T06:27:27 < dongs> complete fucking failure
2016-09-05T06:27:36 < englishman> bing is pretty nice
2016-09-05T06:27:45 < englishman> i just tried it for the first time 47 seconds ago
2016-09-05T06:29:33 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, after reading that migration document, I do not see anything that would make it fail. I tried stm's nucleo programmer (it has problem detecting the board - sometimes it can, but cannot flash it properly), while J-Link has no problem with detection, but cannot flash it properly.
2016-09-05T06:29:58 < LeelooMinai> But when I rework the IC and swap it with STM32L0, no problems.
2016-09-05T06:30:14 < dongs> 12:06 < dongs> start by pasting schematic and layout.
2016-09-05T06:30:20 < dongs> current time: 12:30
2016-09-05T06:30:21 < LeelooMinai> It's powered from a linear PSU too, so it's not like there are power rail problems.
2016-09-05T06:30:44 < LeelooMinai> Well, ok, just a sec
2016-09-05T06:33:31 < LeelooMinai> It's a pretty tiny board. The power/debug connector (though currently I just use PSU instead of battery, for testing): http://i.imgur.com/97ClqtQ.png
2016-09-05T06:33:40 < LeelooMinai> And the micro: http://i.imgur.com/Mb2OWU4.png
2016-09-05T06:34:40 < LeelooMinai> 4 layer, top: http://i.imgur.com/PFmeSbd.png
2016-09-05T06:36:40 < dongs> is vext  applied before programming
2016-09-05T06:38:04 < LeelooMinai> It's not connected for now at all.
2016-09-05T06:40:27 < dongs> and you said  youre powering from 3.3V as a test instead of coin cell?
2016-09-05T06:40:40 < LeelooMinai> RIght, from a linear PSU
2016-09-05T06:40:50 < LeelooMinai> Tried 3.0 too
2016-09-05T06:41:41 < LeelooMinai> I also monitored the voltage with oscilloscope - seemed stable throughout the process
2016-09-05T06:43:23 < LeelooMinai> I also looked at SWD with LA - with L4 it did not really work realiably - the ID was read maybe 1/5 times.
2016-09-05T06:43:25 < dongs> um
2016-09-05T06:43:34 < dongs> where is pin 16 connected to
2016-09-05T06:43:35 < dongs> on mcu
2016-09-05T06:43:41 < dongs> do you have it hidden in schematic or somethign
2016-09-05T06:43:49 < dongs> 16 is VSS
2016-09-05T06:43:54 < dongs> you DIDNT read the migration document
2016-09-05T06:43:59 < dongs> so it should be going to ground.
2016-09-05T06:44:09 < dongs> as PB2 pin isn't on that series.
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2016-09-05T06:44:15 < dongs> if oyu ground it, shit will probly work.
2016-09-05T06:44:16 < LeelooMinai> It's on the U2C part - the bottom one
2016-09-05T06:44:25 < dongs> yeah, its not connected anywehre.
2016-09-05T06:44:27 < LeelooMinai> Hmm
2016-09-05T06:45:38 < LeelooMinai> O_O
2016-09-05T06:46:59 < dongs> solder bridge that shit to that ground pour near
2016-09-05T06:47:17 < dongs> youre lucky its on a corner
2016-09-05T06:47:40 < LeelooMinai> That's strange... I swear I looked at both packages in the CUBEMX thing...
2016-09-05T06:48:20 < dongs> it shows vss in cubemx on pin 16.
2016-09-05T06:48:30 < dongs> last place I'd check, cuz datasheet has a  pic and a pinout table
2016-09-05T06:50:43 < LeelooMinai> Damn, I trolled myself - I compared stm32L031 to that LR and it's not the same.
2016-09-05T06:50:50 < LeelooMinai> L4*
2016-09-05T06:50:58 < LeelooMinai> It has PB2 at 16 not VSS
2016-09-05T06:51:03 < dongs> correct
2016-09-05T06:51:07 < dongs> that migration doc mentioned it.
2016-09-05T06:51:25 < dongs> Table 7.
2016-09-05T06:51:35 < LeelooMinai> Well, thx - there's still hope then. Going to the microscope now to fix this.
2016-09-05T06:51:52 < dongs> pin 32 as well
2016-09-05T06:51:55 < dongs> whlie you're a t it
2016-09-05T06:51:56 < dongs> lol
2016-09-05T06:52:08 < dongs> but that one you might be more fucked since youre actualyl using it
2016-09-05T06:52:19 < dongs> as I2C_SCL
2016-09-05T06:52:21 < dongs> yeah good job
2016-09-05T06:52:25 < dongs> time to reroute
2016-09-05T06:52:42 < LeelooMinai> Right, but I don't mind respinning the board - I can reuse SS stencil for it.
2016-09-05T06:53:23 < dongs> kinda cunty of ST to do this really
2016-09-05T06:53:37 < LeelooMinai> I guess I was too optimistic about pin compatibility - normally I would check more, but I switched to L4 at the last time, when I noticed them "on sale"
2016-09-05T06:53:37 < dongs> i mean obviously extended pad as vss works
2016-09-05T06:53:44 < dongs> why take the fucking pins out and make them g nd
2016-09-05T06:54:36 < LeelooMinai> It makes sense though - I noticed that SWDIO line had problem getting to GND level
2016-09-05T06:54:40 < dongs> now you negated your sale  by having to redo 4L board
2016-09-05T06:55:05 < boB_K7IQ> I noticed that cubemx set up my PWM correctly EXCEPT for actually setting the GPIO to the special function output from the channels
2016-09-05T06:55:20 < LeelooMinai> Nah, it's just for my use - not a big deal fortunatelly as the board is tiny and the I use oshpark that charges per wquare inch
2016-09-05T06:56:02 < LeelooMinai> But the time wasted figuring this out - fail
2016-09-05T06:56:59 < dongs> looks like a pro IoT device anyway.
2016-09-05T06:57:57 < LeelooMinai> It's for my CNC - it's supposed to attach to a digital indicator and wirelessly send data to my "hub" board that is based on XMOS.
2016-09-05T06:58:25 < stvn> coon mx
2016-09-05T06:58:39 < stvn> known for doing fucking nothing
2016-09-05T06:59:04 < boB_K7IQ> Oh ?   I guess it is not quite complete
2016-09-05T06:59:13 < LeelooMinai> I use it for pinouts only. Decided to use Chibios instead of what CubeMX produces + STM's libraries.
2016-09-05T06:59:26 < boB_K7IQ> Gets me started at least
2016-09-05T06:59:29 < dongs> boB_K7IQ: you are supposed to do that yourself in some bullshit undocumented hal function
2016-09-05T06:59:46 < dongs> hal_msp_faggotry-init_something_or_other
2016-09-05T07:00:10 < boB_K7IQ> Well, at least it points me to somewhere which makes it a bit easier but not sure why it doesn't complete its job
2016-09-05T07:00:22 < boB_K7IQ> I mean, easier that starting from scratch
2016-09-05T07:02:33 < LeelooMinai> btw, here it is assembled: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/28403394320
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2016-09-05T07:40:26 < dongs> thats some amazing soldering on qfn
2016-09-05T07:41:24 < dongs> is that leaded?
2016-09-05T07:49:29 < LeelooMinai> Lead free. I reflow, but I reqorked it few times too - under the microscope - I used little rectangular copper areas on the side, to make sure.
2016-09-05T07:49:39 < LeelooMinai> Leaded*
2016-09-05T07:50:00 < LeelooMinai> But reflow oven ftw in general
2016-09-05T07:50:25 < LeelooMinai> Especially if you cobine it with SS stencils that oshstencils now sells for super-low price
2016-09-05T07:51:23 < LeelooMinai> 0.4mm bga: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/18250519673 :)
2016-09-05T07:51:35 < dongs> the fuck is SS stencil
2016-09-05T07:51:41 < dongs> fucking plastic film trash?
2016-09-05T07:51:45 < LeelooMinai> stainless stell - the best ones:)
2016-09-05T07:51:48 < dongs> oh.
2016-09-05T07:51:55 < LeelooMinai> steel*
2016-09-05T07:52:18 < LeelooMinai> In the past they had only kapton ones - they are okish, but no contest with SS.
2016-09-05T07:53:37 < LeelooMinai> https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/28581673412
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2016-09-05T07:56:07 < dongs> i ordered a krapton stencil once
2016-09-05T07:56:15 < dongs> it went straight to the garbage bin the minute i looked at it
2016-09-05T07:57:13 < LeelooMinai> lol, well, I used it succesfully, but with 0.5 and less pitch it's not really that great
2016-09-05T07:57:44 < LeelooMinai> It's ok for 0402 passives though
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2016-09-05T08:17:14 < boB_K7IQ> impressive prototyping, LeelooMinai
2016-09-05T08:18:09 < LeelooMinai> Thx - mostly due to my (Chinese) microscope
2016-09-05T08:18:22 < LeelooMinai> It's great for work like that
2016-09-05T08:19:18 < jpa-> camera microscope or optical?
2016-09-05T08:19:45 < LeelooMinai> Stereo inspection microscope, optical
2016-09-05T08:21:05 < stvn> i want one
2016-09-05T08:21:20 < stvn> the soldering iron salescuck quoted me $3000
2016-09-05T08:21:56 < LeelooMinai> For what?
2016-09-05T08:22:09 < stvn> inspection microscope with 720p cam
2016-09-05T08:22:26 < stvn> think they wanted like $4-5k for the 1080p one
2016-09-05T08:22:56 < LeelooMinai> I just have something similar: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Industrial-Inspection-AmScope-Supplies-10X-20X-LED-Binocular-Stereo-Microscope-Boom-Arm-with-Gooseneck-Light/32469716774.html
2016-09-05T08:23:23 < LeelooMinai> You want good working distance, 100mm+, zoom, boom arm, stereo
2016-09-05T08:23:31 < stvn> i could totally work with that
2016-09-05T08:23:39 < stvn> thanks for the link
2016-09-05T08:24:15 < LeelooMinai> Mine is a bit different. I only added cheap (like $2) UV filter for the main lens, but not for UV, but to protect it from flux splashes etc.
2016-09-05T08:24:28 < jpa-> there are also some $100 camera microscopes on ebay (no stereo, of course)
2016-09-05T08:25:13 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, camera, if you want a good one, you will need $$$. But nothing beats looking into actual optics during soldering.
2016-09-05T08:25:36 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-05T08:25:42 < LeelooMinai> With camera you loose resolution and 3D efect
2016-09-05T08:26:07 < LeelooMinai> And you usually have some lag
2016-09-05T08:26:17 < stvn> ok
2016-09-05T08:26:17 < jpa-> it depends a bit, i always find the oculars annoying.. but 3D and lagfree is nice
2016-09-05T08:26:47 < LeelooMinai> There are those Mantis microscopes that do not have ocuilars but big visor, but they are not cheap at all:)
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2016-09-05T08:27:20 < jpa-> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-in-1-HD-Industry-Microscope-Video-Camera-Set-VGA-AV-TV-USB-C-mount-Lens-Stand-/121203569627?hash=item1c384bb3db:g:yVEAAOSwstxU3FUB   these are apparently quite ok (1600x1200 resolution)
2016-09-05T08:27:20 < stvn> i'm feeling rather jewish today
2016-09-05T08:27:40 < dongs> VGA...
2016-09-05T08:27:54 < jpa-> welcome to 2016
2016-09-05T08:27:54 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: That looks like CCTV camera or something...
2016-09-05T08:28:05 < LeelooMinai> O, VGA, ok...
2016-09-05T08:28:06 < dongs> nah ive seen that formfactor before
2016-09-05T08:28:07 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: it does have better resolution than that :)
2016-09-05T08:28:13 < jpa-> few of my friends have one
2016-09-05T08:28:15 < dongs> its some common chink industiral camera
2016-09-05T08:29:03 < LeelooMinai> Well, "800 lines definition", so probably that 1600x1200 is some lie
2016-09-05T08:29:49 < jpa-> hard to say
2016-09-05T08:30:38 < dongs> it says CVBS on it
2016-09-05T08:30:43 < dongs> clearly wahtever VGA out it does have is a fucking upscale
2016-09-05T08:30:47 < dongs> from 720x480i
2016-09-05T08:33:35 < LeelooMinai> I reworked the board - now it works btw.
2016-09-05T08:33:44 < dongs> you mean after connecting GND?
2016-09-05T08:34:20 < LeelooMinai> Right, I connected 16 and 32 to GND - don't have to respin it as I2C was really routed outside "just in case"
2016-09-05T08:34:43 < dongs> excellent. i suppose a thanks is in order.
2016-09-05T08:35:04 < LeelooMinai> Ride, I already did, but I am torn:)
2016-09-05T08:35:09 < LeelooMinai> Right*
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2016-09-05T08:51:38 < jadew> +
2016-09-05T08:52:09 < jadew> sorry, kid felt like typing
2016-09-05T08:53:52 < jadew> I think they are CCTV cameras
2016-09-05T08:53:57 < jadew> they're repurposed
2016-09-05T08:54:19 < jadew> does anyone have that microscope? I always wondered how well they worked
2016-09-05T08:54:34 < jpa-> which one? the optical or the camera?
2016-09-05T08:54:45 < jadew> the camera
2016-09-05T08:55:02 < jpa-> my friend does (not sure about exact model but looks the same); he's been happy with it so far
2016-09-05T08:56:08 < jadew> did you get to try it out?
2016-09-05T08:56:16 < jpa-> no
2016-09-05T08:57:01 < dongs> i'm not sure i'd want one of those things without stereo
2016-09-05T08:57:26 < jadew> tbh, I'd like to find a good adapter for my optical one so I could stream video on the PC
2016-09-05T08:57:36 < jadew> but everything I've tried so far has failed
2016-09-05T08:59:31 < LeelooMinai> You have the third objective on it?
2016-09-05T09:00:40 < jadew> I have a photo port
2016-09-05T09:01:48 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/stuff/full2.jpg
2016-09-05T09:02:27 < upgrdman> trinocular master race, huh
2016-09-05T09:02:31 < jadew> the problem is that the tube for the photo port comes in different shapes and sizes for the various cameras it should be attached to
2016-09-05T09:02:31 < LeelooMinai> O, right, this is the one I have, but without the third objective - I thought once you have it, camera is not a bg problem.
2016-09-05T09:03:30 < jadew> if I want to get my DSLR in focus, I lose focus on the eyepieces and vice versa
2016-09-05T09:03:52 < jadew> and the difference is not small, I actually have to lift the entire arm
2016-09-05T09:04:00 < upgrdman> dslr focus cant focus itself?
2016-09-05T09:04:17 < jadew> upgrdman, no, you don't have a lens when you do it
2016-09-05T09:04:24 < upgrdman> o
2016-09-05T09:04:25 < jadew> it mounts as the lens
2016-09-05T09:04:30 < upgrdman> ah ok
2016-09-05T09:04:38 < jpa-> is it designed to work like that?
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2016-09-05T09:04:46 < jadew> there are adapter tubes with built in lens, but those are more expensive
2016-09-05T09:04:52 < jadew> jpa-, I think so
2016-09-05T09:04:55 < jpa-> some microscopes have photo port that you are supposed to have a lens in between and then the camera
2016-09-05T09:05:21 < jadew> yeah, the first one I had was like that, but it didn't match with the camera I guess
2016-09-05T09:05:46 < jpa-> have to tried to check the focus point with a piece of paper? then you could get a small webcam and make a custom mount for it to put it in the correct position
2016-09-05T09:06:04 < jadew> that's a great idea
2016-09-05T09:06:08 < jadew> I didn't try it
2016-09-05T09:06:27 < jadew> I was trying to avoid making my own adapters
2016-09-05T09:06:40 < jadew> ah and it's the same story with the biological one
2016-09-05T09:06:43 < jpa-> if you can't get a focus point when the eyepieces are focused, that probably means it is designed to have a lens in between.. which becomes a bit difficult to find :P
2016-09-05T09:07:18 < jadew> jpa-, yeah, the first adapter I got was with the lens, but it just didn't work right
2016-09-05T09:07:31 < jadew> not to mention that in both cases, the image quality is not great
2016-09-05T09:07:46 < jadew> it's only good at some zoom levels
2016-09-05T09:07:53 < jadew> at others you get a lot of flare
2016-09-05T09:07:58 < upgrdman> opengl pros: would a VAO be used to store like 1 mesh?
2016-09-05T09:08:08 < jpa-> opengl cons
2016-09-05T09:08:14 < upgrdman> so one VAO per 3D shape you want to render?
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2016-09-05T09:14:55 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: #opengl people would know
2016-09-05T09:15:12 < upgrdman> those fags are all asleep
2016-09-05T09:15:15 < LeelooMinai> I forgot everything I learned already:)
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2016-09-05T09:26:09 < dongs> its 2016, people use directx
2016-09-05T09:26:17 < dongs> opengl is like, literally, NRND
2016-09-05T09:26:29 < stvn> damn son
2016-09-05T09:26:41 < dongs> bullshit API that hasn't been updated since 1986, with every modern thing tacked on as a custom vendor extension
2016-09-05T09:26:48 < dongs> that nobody is forced to or guaranteed to support
2016-09-05T09:26:54 < dongs> good fucking luck making your shit work everywehre opengl works
2016-09-05T09:27:09 < dongs> GLX_NVIDIA_FEATURE_FUCKOFF
2016-09-05T09:27:10 < stvn> hmm
2016-09-05T09:27:21 < stvn> that time of the day is it?
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2016-09-05T10:04:54 < jpa-> http://gallery.mailchimp.com/1d34480bd339567cb5c193ac8/images/e7c4c795-c325-4bee-8458-234b68af2aa2.jpg    totally gonna happen
2016-09-05T10:06:25 < jpa-> great troll, i guess :P
2016-09-05T10:06:38 < jpa-> news full of that but no source
2016-09-05T10:06:47 < jpa-> and some giveaways like "graphene oxide body" :)
2016-09-05T10:07:32 < dongs> old
2016-09-05T10:07:52 < jpa-> would sell out in 1 day on kickstarter though
2016-09-05T10:08:00 < dongs> thats probly whre the pic is from
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2016-09-05T11:23:32 < kakimir> 100Wh battery using supernatural cells
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2016-09-05T11:26:36 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/a/cGdh9
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2016-09-05T11:46:09 < dongs> doesn't even compare to my gaming rig in performance
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2016-09-05T12:13:24 < dongs> Currently, several USB-C devices (including Google’s own DP and HDMI adapters) do not detect upon connection 100% of the time. This is thought to be a firmware issue with the USB 3.1 “switching” chip in the Pixel (which is responsible for allowing a USB-C connectors to be reversible). Currently, the best solution is to try flipping the USB connector and reinserting the adapter
2016-09-05T12:13:30 < dongs> > make flippable connector
2016-09-05T12:13:39 < dongs> > ask people t o actually plug it in the other way if it doenst work
2016-09-05T12:18:07 < zyp> haha
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2016-09-05T12:18:27 < Laurenceb__> dawm shit just got real
2016-09-05T12:18:44 < Laurenceb__> brexit death squad struck in my hood, police everywhere
2016-09-05T12:18:57 < dongs> so zyp
2016-09-05T12:19:03 < dongs> with your advanced knowledge
2016-09-05T12:19:10 < dongs> what do I need to do 4ch displayport alternate mode
2016-09-05T12:19:16 < dongs> ive been reading and i still dont get it
2016-09-05T12:19:18 < Laurenceb__> time to tell  /pol/ they are going out of control
2016-09-05T12:19:30 < dongs> i *think* it needs negotiation but im not even seeing what kind of negotiation.
2016-09-05T12:20:29 < wanderman> Laurenceb__,  u mean, dawn kicks in ?
2016-09-05T12:20:43 < wanderman> i don't know english sorry
2016-09-05T12:21:05  * Laurenceb__ just got interviewed by police
2016-09-05T12:21:34 < wanderman> feeling proud ?
2016-09-05T12:21:50 < wanderman> u being interviewedd
2016-09-05T12:21:53 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-09-05T12:27:48 < Steffanx> What did you do laurenceb__?
2016-09-05T12:28:56 < dongs> The host and device shall use USB Power Delivery Structured Vendor Defined Messages
2016-09-05T12:28:59 < dongs> (Structured VDMs) to discover, configure and enter/exit modes to enable Alternate
2016-09-05T12:29:03 < dongs> Modes. [Section 5.1 Type-C version 1.1]
2016-09-05T12:29:05 < dongs> • The host and device shall negotiate a USB PD Explicit Contract before Structured VDMs
2016-09-05T12:29:09 < dongs> may be used to discover or enter an Alternate Mode. [Section 5.1.2 Type-C version 1.1]
2016-09-05T12:29:46 < Laurenceb__> Steffanx: as a witness
2016-09-05T12:29:56 < dongs> did you witness severe trolling
2016-09-05T12:30:16 < dongs> also: did you tell tehm your name was hugh?
2016-09-05T12:30:23 < Laurenceb__> dongs: yup
2016-09-05T12:30:24 < dongs> hugh mungus.
2016-09-05T12:30:50 < Laurenceb__> some local Poles got a severe beatdown and firebombing from a brexit death squad
2016-09-05T12:32:27 < Steffanx> Lol. Laurenceb__ y no video?
2016-09-05T12:32:36 < Steffanx> Live stream worthy.
2016-09-05T12:32:44 < Laurenceb__> happened at 3am, only heard some shit
2016-09-05T12:32:46 < zyp> dongs, as I understand it, you need a usb device on the usb2 line that advertises a «billboard class device»
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2016-09-05T12:33:34 < zyp> so host detects that and uses it to determine what to use the high speed lines for
2016-09-05T12:34:16 < dongs> that other paste seems to disagree, im still dicking through specs tho
2016-09-05T12:36:18 < dongs> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/00001974A.pdf
2016-09-05T12:36:41 < zyp> http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/devclass_docs/USB_Billboard_Revision_1_0_20140801.pdf
2016-09-05T12:41:27 < dongs> https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/stm32/usb_pd_phy.chttps://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/stm32/usb_pd_phy.c
2016-09-05T12:41:53 < zyp> looks like there's two mechanisms for stuff
2016-09-05T12:41:55 < dongs> oh hm, uses SPI
2016-09-05T12:42:17 < zyp> «If Port Pair successfully enter into Modal Operation (as defined by [USBPD]) then the Device Container is not required to expose the Billboard Device. It may still expose the Billboard Device if it wants to for informational purposes only.»
2016-09-05T12:42:37 < zyp> downloading pd spec to check what that is about
2016-09-05T12:42:52 < zyp> usb.org is slow as fuck
2016-09-05T12:44:04 < zyp> I guess you can negotiate either over PD or billboard class then
2016-09-05T12:44:29 < dongs> looks like google has been making their own HAL in the chromium STM32 trash
2016-09-05T12:44:33 < dongs> *deadBSD licensed
2016-09-05T12:47:43 < zyp> hmm, my keyboard is acting up, space key doesn't register presses in the ends properly, only the middle
2016-09-05T12:48:05 < zyp> might be time for a new one, this is eight years old
2016-09-05T12:52:09 < Laurenceb__> https://archive.li/QaL4s/f5c53d1fb63719b62e3486c49dd635eeabc6bf0f.jpg
2016-09-05T12:52:13 < Laurenceb__>  /pol/ spotted
2016-09-05T12:52:26 < dongs> notfunny.jpg
2016-09-05T12:55:31 < dongs> google's version seems pretty lowlevel, closer to zyp's shit
2016-09-05T12:55:50 < dongs> STM32_COMP_CSR = STM32_COMP_CMP1MODE_LSPEED |  STM32_COMP_CMP1INSEL_INM6 |  CMP1OUTSEL |  STM32_COMP_CMP1HYST_HI |  STM32_COMP_CMP2MODE_LSPEED | STM32_COMP_CMP2INSEL_INM6 | CMP2OUTSEL |
2016-09-05T12:56:07 < dongs> STM32_RCC_APB1ENR |= 1 << 31; /* turn on COMP */
2016-09-05T12:56:09 < dongs> fuck that noise
2016-09-05T12:56:16 < dongs> im not gonna lookup that COMP is bit 31 in rcc
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2016-09-05T12:57:38 < zyp> ah, looks indeed like switching is done through PD, billboard shit seems to only be there for hosts to detect wtf you plugged in if they can't detect it over PD
2016-09-05T13:00:21 < zyp> «The USB Power Delivery Structured VDMs are defined to extend the functionality a device exposes. Only Structured VDMs shall be used to alter the USB functionality or reconfigure the pins the USB Type-C Connector exposes.»
2016-09-05T13:01:55 < zyp> heh, there's mechanisms in here for debug modes as well
2016-09-05T13:02:18 < zyp> you could define a debug mode that when enabled puts uarts or swd or whatever on available pins
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2016-09-05T13:09:27 < dongs> too bad almost nothing supports real alternate mode
2016-09-05T13:09:33 < dongs> thanks to fucking assmedia usb controller
2016-09-05T13:10:06 < zyp> «The USB Billboard Device indicates the failure of Alternate Mode entry. According to USB Type-C specification, if a device fails to successfully enter an Alternate Mode within tAMETimeout (maximum of 1000 ms), then the device will minimally expose a USB 2.0 interface (USB Billboard Device Class) that is powered by VBUS to indicate the failure of Alternate Mode entry. The host then reports that an unsupported
2016-09-05T13:10:12 < zyp>  device has been connected, identifying the type of device from the USB Billboard Device Class information.»
2016-09-05T13:10:33 < dongs> ah.
2016-09-05T13:10:42 < dongs> thats probly what I saw when I connected shit to my fagbook
2016-09-05T13:10:53 < dongs> cuz it failed and windows told me "ha ha, assmedia"
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2016-09-05T13:50:07 < Laurenceb__> http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Home/Web/TAD/DeathList.html#l1
2016-09-05T13:51:03 < Laurenceb__> point 7 is very true
2016-09-05T13:51:19  * Laurenceb__ is the insane version of buzzfeed
2016-09-05T13:58:52 < Laurenceb__> oh damn
2016-09-05T13:58:53 < Laurenceb__> http://hackaday.com/2016/09/04/hackaday-prize-entry-lucid-dreaming-research/
2016-09-05T13:58:58 < Laurenceb__> literally my horse board
2016-09-05T14:00:59 < dongs> except theirs works
2016-09-05T14:01:06 < dongs> zing!
2016-09-05T14:01:13 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-09-05T14:01:23 < Laurenceb__> almost exact same layout and BOM
2016-09-05T14:01:51 < dongs> Unfortunately, as of right now, the project files are in an Altium Designer format. However, this format will be changed to other more open source friendly CAD software (Circuit Maker, KiCAD) for later revisions of this board.
2016-09-05T14:01:59 < dongs> dont see how this is "unfortunate"
2016-09-05T14:02:42 < Laurenceb__> https://hackaday.io/project/13285/gallery#d3b9da0f114999994088b71478663a07
2016-09-05T14:02:49 < Laurenceb__> lul enclosure is epic fail
2016-09-05T14:03:52 < dongs> the fuck is that schematic
2016-09-05T14:04:13 < dongs> they made it hierarchical beacuse tehy were too fucking dumb to "d-o" and change page size to > A4?
2016-09-05T14:04:27 < Laurenceb__> no ESD protection of EMI filtering on electrodes, its going to die
2016-09-05T14:04:35 < Laurenceb__> s/of/or
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2016-09-05T14:40:38 < englishman> how is horse lucid dreaming going
2016-09-05T14:40:43 < englishman> still failing with ST sensors?
2016-09-05T14:41:17 < englishman> or did brexit gestapo murder your polish financier
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2016-09-05T14:53:10 < Laurenceb__> st sensors are working.. for now
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2016-09-05T15:08:24 < Laurenceb__> time to send all the datalogger units out to stables later today
2016-09-05T15:08:37 < Laurenceb__> this will be fun, I predict epic rage as they all fail
2016-09-05T15:09:32 < Laurenceb__> finally fixed my tex config, now just the fun of peer review to go
2016-09-05T15:18:14 < vasia9000> hi guys, anyone use openstm32 on linux? got some errors during compiling empty project
2016-09-05T15:19:07 < Laurenceb__> what is openstm32? Never heard of it sorry
2016-09-05T15:19:29 < vasia9000> system workbench for stm32
2016-09-05T15:19:41 < vasia9000> kind of eclipse
2016-09-05T15:20:20 < jpa-> ST's modified version of eclipse
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2016-09-05T15:21:08 < vasia9000> i used him just because he listed in cubemx
2016-09-05T15:21:33 < vasia9000> if u have another solution, i will happy to listen it
2016-09-05T15:22:39 < stvn> gooday sport
2016-09-05T15:34:09 < stvn> i can only assume your face has melted off
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2016-09-05T17:15:00 < englishman> stvn
2016-09-05T17:16:15 < englishman> i got a dope microscope last year
2016-09-05T17:20:23 < Laurenceb> for looking at dope?
2016-09-05T17:23:47 < englishman> sometimes
2016-09-05T17:23:58 < Laurenceb> everyone seen "STM32 development ecosystem hands-on workshop" email?
2016-09-05T17:24:12 < Laurenceb> looks like all around europe
2016-09-05T17:24:47 < Laurenceb> Complete understanding of how to use STM32Cube to configure and generate code with the SW4STM32 toolchain
2016-09-05T17:24:49 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-09-05T17:24:59 < Laurenceb> Every attendee will receive a free STM32 Nucleo kit.
2016-09-05T17:26:04 < Laurenceb> still not worth it
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2016-09-05T17:31:59 < englishman> i went to one a couple years ago
2016-09-05T17:32:06 < englishman> was neat i guess
2016-09-05T17:32:11 < englishman> there are FAEs there to whine to about timecube
2016-09-05T17:32:35 < Laurenceb> heh
2016-09-05T17:41:00 < Steffann> englishman .. Its not that listened right?
2016-09-05T17:41:29 < englishman> hm?
2016-09-05T17:41:47 < Steffann> Wasn't it you who said they know it and it wasnt even really done yet when releases.
2016-09-05T17:42:22 < Steffann> They didnt care about your whining. Or didnt you whine about cube hal?
2016-09-05T17:43:13 < Steffann> Stroopwafel?
2016-09-05T17:43:17 < englishman> stroophal
2016-09-05T17:43:28 < englishman> i did whine
2016-09-05T17:43:32 < englishman> they knew it was shit
2016-09-05T17:43:35 < Laurenceb> yeah I bet they had liek 10 perman00bs saying they like cube
2016-09-05T17:43:37 < englishman> and they dont use it internally
2016-09-05T17:43:56 < Steffann> I have 4.5kg stroopwafels ready to ship to tectu :D
2016-09-05T17:44:10 < karlp> heh, it's really happening?
2016-09-05T17:44:12  * karlp grins
2016-09-05T17:44:16 < Steffann> Yes
2016-09-05T17:44:21 < aadamson> ok, time for stupid question of the day.
2016-09-05T17:44:21 < englishman> ;'(
2016-09-05T17:44:22 < karlp> everyone who gets some take pics plz :)
2016-09-05T17:44:37 < aadamson> I've looked over the F0 STOP mode examples, and they don't do anything with the systick
2016-09-05T17:44:38 < englishman> hi aadamson
2016-09-05T17:44:47 < aadamson> and yes stop with WFI works... how can that be?
2016-09-05T17:44:50 < Steffann> Shipping costs more then the stroopwafels..
2016-09-05T17:45:00 < aadamson> if I doo that the next systick wakes me back up?
2016-09-05T17:45:05 < aadamson> hi englishman
2016-09-05T17:45:24 < aadamson> or should I say they setup systick in the example
2016-09-05T17:45:29 < aadamson> so it's firing on 10ms
2016-09-05T17:46:39 < aadamson> if I do it an I don't want to be IRQ awaken every 1000hz, I have to shut off the systick
2016-09-05T17:46:52 < karlp> no, just the irq on systick...
2016-09-05T17:46:59 < karlp> but yes, this is how "tickless" rtos works
2016-09-05T17:47:05 < karlp> to get more power saving.
2016-09-05T17:47:07 < aadamson> well, that's what I mean
2016-09-05T17:48:11 < aadamson> SysTick->CTRL  = SysTick_CTRL_CLKSOURCE_Msk |
2016-09-05T17:48:11 < aadamson>                      ~SysTick_CTRL_TICKINT_Msk   |
2016-09-05T17:48:11 < aadamson>                      SysTick_CTRL_ENABLE_Msk;                    /* Disable SysTick IRQ and SysTick Timer */
2016-09-05T17:48:14 < aadamson> I have to do that
2016-09-05T17:48:23 < aadamson> or else it wakes me, and yet they don't in the example?
2016-09-05T17:48:26 < karlp> so yes, you get woken up by every systick
2016-09-05T17:48:36 < karlp> not sure what the example is claiming to do?
2016-09-05T17:48:44 < karlp> you wake up, and go straight back to sleep again?
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2016-09-05T17:50:06 < aadamson> http://pastebin.com/6LE9xugt
2016-09-05T17:50:13 < aadamson> that's what they do in the example.
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2016-09-05T17:50:33 < aadamson> pause 5 seconds, set rtc alarm for 5 second, go to sleep, then wakeup and it's 5 second later
2016-09-05T17:50:45 < aadamson>   /* SysTick interrupt each 10 ms */
2016-09-05T17:50:45 < aadamson>   if (SysTick_Config(SystemCoreClock / 100))
2016-09-05T17:50:45 < aadamson>   {
2016-09-05T17:50:45 < aadamson>     /* Capture error */
2016-09-05T17:50:46 < aadamson>     while (1);
2016-09-05T17:50:47 < aadamson>   }
2016-09-05T17:50:51 < aadamson> and they did that prior to the systick
2016-09-05T17:50:59 < aadamson> I'm just so curious how/why that works - but it does
2016-09-05T17:52:44 < karlp> is systick enabled in nvic?
2016-09-05T17:54:06 < Steffann> The systick is not a wake up sourcr in stop mode right?
2016-09-05T17:54:22 < Rob235> hi peeps
2016-09-05T17:55:07 < Steffann> Isnt it only an issue when it fires at the moment you are executing the wfi instruction?
2016-09-05T17:55:19 < aadamson> karlp, no systick isn't enable in nvic explicitcly in code
2016-09-05T17:55:34 < aadamson> Steffann yes systick will cause a wake from WFI
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2016-09-05T17:56:22 < aadamson> Steffann, perhaps that's the issue because in their case systick is 10ms and in min it's 1000hz (never can do that math in my head :))
2016-09-05T17:57:09 < aadamson> I may have to get educated on the wFI instruction, but I thought it awaked on *any* IRQ
2016-09-05T17:57:16 < aadamson> e.g. nvic one
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2016-09-05T17:57:59 < Steffann> Have you also read the notr about thr wfi instruction? You must keep in mind the instruction could result in a nop
2016-09-05T17:58:11 < Steffann> (ARM docs)
2016-09-05T17:58:18 < Steffann> Note*
2016-09-05T17:58:32 < Steffann> Cant type no more
2016-09-05T18:00:26 < Steffann> Dont remember what i did with the systick last time i used stop mode
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2016-09-05T18:01:51 < aadamson> I've been turning off the systick IRQ and back on after wake and that's always worked, but I just realized that ST didn't do that in their example which is what led me down this road... go figure
2016-09-05T18:02:44 < Rob235> I feel as though an x is missing from my life
2016-09-05T18:03:06 < Rob235> there is this void
2016-09-05T18:03:07 < Steffann> Robby X.
2016-09-05T18:03:10 < Rob235> :)
2016-09-05T18:03:58 < Rob235> I gotta stop slacking off.  writing some new code for the first time in a while for the drone today
2016-09-05T18:05:32 < Laurenceb> s/slacking/jacking
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2016-09-05T18:11:05 < Rob235> hmm 3 hours until the wind picks back up to 15-20 MPH
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2016-09-05T18:33:33 < Rob235> how often would you sample the adc for current/voltage sensor? 100 hz enough?
2016-09-05T18:40:15 < jpa-> what will you do with the readings?
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2016-09-05T21:11:46 < aandrew> dongs: apparently the software is apparently called PDS
2016-09-05T21:11:54 < aandrew> can't really find anything called that though
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2016-09-05T21:20:39 < Sync> possibly pads aandrew?
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2016-09-05T21:23:22 < aandrew> altium can't open it as an import, I thought the same
2016-09-05T21:23:40 < aandrew> anyone got a copy of pads to see if they can open a sch file?
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2016-09-05T21:52:35 < Steffanx> dont leave us kakimir
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2016-09-05T21:59:58 < ReadError> whilst searching ebay... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Twin-Cup-Easy-Grow-Breast-Enlarger-Developer-Double-Vacuum-Cups-Pump-UKStockist-/262331629023
2016-09-05T22:00:14 < ReadError> i dont think it works ilke that, could be wrong though
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2016-09-05T22:00:56 < wanderman> anybody have used NB-IoT transreciever in your projects ?
2016-09-05T22:01:25 < wanderman> Tectu,  the smart guy for smart cities
2016-09-05T22:01:29 < wanderman> :D
2016-09-05T22:01:52 < Tectu> lol wut?
2016-09-05T22:02:19 < wanderman> the smart human hub
2016-09-05T22:02:20 < wanderman> lol
2016-09-05T22:02:27 < Tectu> what on earth are you talking about?
2016-09-05T22:02:37 < wanderman> no idea
2016-09-05T22:03:28 < wanderman> i have no idea which is ID of our sun, to locate my earth where i'm from
2016-09-05T22:04:27 < wanderman> am i chatting on inter solar irc chat client ?
2016-09-05T22:10:15 < Steffanx>  NB-IoT isn't even real yet, is it wanderman?
2016-09-05T22:10:23 < Steffanx> i know they are working on it. but...
2016-09-05T22:10:58 < wanderman> i see,
2016-09-05T22:11:08 < Tectu> what drugs do you take, wanderman ?
2016-09-05T22:11:21 < wanderman> drug that make me sane
2016-09-05T22:11:48 < wanderman> O2
2016-09-05T22:12:04 < wanderman> sandi O2
2016-09-05T22:13:40 < Steffanx> How sexy are you wanderman?
2016-09-05T22:14:04 < wanderman> hackers who has hacked my webcam knows. lol
2016-09-05T22:14:36 < wanderman> i'm just a chubby man, of age 32
2016-09-05T22:16:57 < Steffanx> ok
2016-09-05T22:18:11  * wanderman set mood to technicially high
2016-09-05T22:19:37 < Steffanx> What time is it in your wonderful blue sea country wanderman?
2016-09-05T22:19:55 < wanderman> 00.20
2016-09-05T22:20:07 < Steffanx> Better sleep then. Tomorrow another day of hard work.
2016-09-05T22:20:16 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/05eCebC
2016-09-05T22:20:27 < wanderman> Steffanx,  i'm on leave
2016-09-05T22:20:33 < Steffanx> but why upgrdman.
2016-09-05T22:20:43 < wanderman> another few days on leave
2016-09-05T22:20:49 < upgrdman> because reasons?
2016-09-05T22:20:56 < upgrdman> fuck if i know, not my photo
2016-09-05T22:20:56 < Steffanx> in a country like yours you are always "on leave"
2016-09-05T22:21:06 < Steffanx> lol grumpying much upgrdman?
2016-09-05T22:21:14 < upgrdman> :)
2016-09-05T22:21:31 < upgrdman> i guess that did sound grumpy
2016-09-05T22:21:37 < upgrdman> i meant it sarcasticly
2016-09-05T22:22:29 < Tectu> upskrtman
2016-09-05T22:22:34 < Tectu> lol, I'm sorry. I dunno, I just have to say that.
2016-09-05T22:23:36 < wanderman> shit worthy as ashtray
2016-09-05T22:26:26 < upgrdman> typical woman driver   https://youtu.be/AewFdkQCXwI?t=19
2016-09-05T22:30:09 < Tectu> > That damn Y button will get you everytime in gta.
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2016-09-05T22:30:56 < wanderman> http://waviot.com/product/iot-radiomodules/axsem-nb-fi-pre-programmed-transceiver
2016-09-05T22:32:32 < wanderman> 16+ km in harsh city environment, 50+ km in rural area
2016-09-05T22:32:33 < wanderman> 20 years on AA battery
2016-09-05T22:32:40 < wanderman> uh
2016-09-05T22:32:43 < wanderman> isn't it interesting ?
2016-09-05T22:33:27 < wanderman> i take technicial drugs that keep me technicially high
2016-09-05T22:33:37 < upgrdman> decent  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nYbju2j8ns&feature=youtu.be&t=2m4sf
2016-09-05T22:33:51 < upgrdman> Tectu, what does Y do in gta?
2016-09-05T22:33:55 < ReadError> 12bps
2016-09-05T22:34:16 < Tectu> upgrdman, enter/leave car :p
2016-09-05T22:34:21 < Tectu> upgrdman, which works mid-drive too
2016-09-05T22:34:50 < Steffanx> That's not funny anymore, upgrdman. Better have your friend paralyzed for life?
2016-09-05T22:35:02 < upgrdman> Tectu, that F in gta5
2016-09-05T22:35:12 < upgrdman> Steffanx, not my vid, but ya
2016-09-05T22:35:18 < Tectu> upgrdman, XBox controller doesn't do F
2016-09-05T22:35:22 < upgrdman> ah
2016-09-05T22:35:28 < Tectu> -> Y
2016-09-05T22:35:29 < Steffanx> i know it's not yours Mr upgrdman -_-
2016-09-05T22:35:33 < upgrdman> :)
2016-09-05T22:36:49 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/2d869897f9ca4a49b0dcfbaf524b40b2?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=e8431d2141c3fbbd7f3554abef850197
2016-09-05T22:37:15 < Steffanx> You broke something.
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2016-09-05T22:38:20 < upgrdman> wtf https://github.com/arduino/Arduino/blob/master/hardware/arduino/avr/cores/arduino/binary.h .... them arduino people are real smart. wtf
2016-09-05T22:40:35 < wanderman> that vedio, really weired
2016-09-05T22:55:21 < englishman> why did Tectu go ;'(
2016-09-05T22:56:31 < Kerr-A> upgrdman: lolwut
2016-09-05T22:56:45 < upgrdman> :)
2016-09-05T22:56:58 < Kerr-A> why
2016-09-05T22:57:00 < Kerr-A> WHY.
2016-09-05T22:57:03 < upgrdman> inorite
2016-09-05T22:57:29 < Kerr-A> just use the damn integer. If you really have a hardon for binary, use hex.
2016-09-05T22:58:01 < Kerr-A> In fact, im surprised it's not: #define B0 0x0
2016-09-05T22:58:12 < Kerr-A> #define B1 0x1
2016-09-05T22:58:15 < Kerr-A> ...
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2016-09-05T23:17:07 < owl-v-> " HAL is available in open-source BSD license for user convenience" I didn't know that. cool!
2016-09-05T23:39:47 < jadew> haha Steffanx
2016-09-05T23:40:55 < kakimir> which side you preffer to place NTC in resistor divider?
2016-09-05T23:41:24 < kakimir> and why
2016-09-05T23:41:49 < jadew> doesn't the avr-gcc support the binary prefix?
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2016-09-05T23:57:02 < upgrdman> kakimir, why put an ntc in a divider?
2016-09-05T23:57:45 < kakimir> to.. read it?
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2016-09-06T00:04:29 < Steffanx> what what jadew?
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2016-09-06T00:04:54 < jadew> your comment on the 404 message
2016-09-06T00:07:27 < kakimir> is jadew around?
2016-09-06T00:07:54 < jadew> almost alseep, but yeah
2016-09-06T00:07:58 < jadew> *asleep
2016-09-06T00:08:17 < Steffanx> wut? You cannot sleep yet.
2016-09-06T00:08:41  * kakimir pokes jadew
2016-09-06T00:08:55 < kakimir> sleeps is forbidden
2016-09-06T00:10:35 < upgrdman> kakimir, arent NTCs mostly for inrush limiting?
2016-09-06T00:10:43 < upgrdman> and PTCs for temp sensing
2016-09-06T00:13:08 < kakimir> there are both for temp sensing
2016-09-06T00:13:19 < kakimir> but only one for resetable fuse
2016-09-06T00:13:50 < kakimir> that is - PTC
2016-09-06T00:14:59 < jadew> I only used PTCs once, to heat up a part of a circuit in a PSU
2016-09-06T00:15:45 < kakimir> .. why?
2016-09-06T00:15:48 < upgrdman> anyone know if windows can be config to only wake up from sleep by keyboard? seems my mouse wakes up my pc at night. turning off the mouse fixed it, but thats annoying as fuck.
2016-09-06T00:16:00 < kakimir> because you can?
2016-09-06T00:16:01 < jadew> I know better now, now I use transistors
2016-09-06T00:16:19 < jadew> kakimir, I thought it's going to be an easy way of getting a fairly stable temperature
2016-09-06T00:16:31 < jadew> what I didn't know was that it's going to take for ever for that thing to heat up
2016-09-06T00:17:08 < jadew> upgrdman, you're lucky, my PC never wakes up from sleep since I upgraded to W10
2016-09-06T00:17:22 < jadew> I have to use hibernate
2016-09-06T00:17:29 < upgrdman> sux2b jadew
2016-09-06T00:17:59 < jadew> in fact, it does wake up, but it doesn't turn on the displays and it's otherwise stuck
2016-09-06T00:18:03 < kakimir> ntc with transistor?
2016-09-06T00:18:12 < jadew> kakimir, yeah
2016-09-06T00:18:18 < jadew> or other sensing device
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2016-09-06T00:20:46 < jadew> speaking of which, it's very hard to get good temperature stability, the sensor has to be closer than you think to the transistor
2016-09-06T00:20:48 < jadew> like... inside
2016-09-06T00:21:47 < jadew> the biggest problem is that the loop is very low frequency so it's not like you can add a capacitor on the feedback path and you're done
2016-09-06T00:22:02 < jadew> well, you can, but then the loop takes too long to stabilize
2016-09-06T00:22:19 < kakimir> just add stm32
2016-09-06T00:22:32 < kakimir> actually add some small pak 8051
2016-09-06T00:22:47 < jadew> actually, if I think about it any MCU could solve this
2016-09-06T00:22:48 < kakimir> jadew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiBX-ESFDF0
2016-09-06T00:22:59 < jadew> by figuring out the curve and compensating beforehand
2016-09-06T00:23:05 < kakimir> you like no doubt?
2016-09-06T00:23:29 < jadew> I don't remember
2016-09-06T00:23:38 < kakimir> they had them hit songs
2016-09-06T00:23:39 < jadew> I do
2016-09-06T00:24:00 < kakimir> but.. I like tracks they didn't play in radio
2016-09-06T00:24:34 < kakimir> as much
2016-09-06T00:24:36 < jadew> none of that mainstream shit, eh?
2016-09-06T00:25:38 < kakimir> less poppy
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2016-09-06T00:27:40 < jadew> this is the original hipster tho: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/0e/e3/b3/0ee3b360a77f8f5c32cbf529efdffcbc.jpg
2016-09-06T00:28:14 < kakimir> listening the music is too mainstream
2016-09-06T00:30:15 < jadew> I'm into electro swing now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCXsRoyFRQE
2016-09-06T00:30:45 < kakimir> I just tasted my pee
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2016-09-06T00:31:15 < kakimir> accidentally
2016-09-06T00:32:23 < kakimir> jadew: I like it
2016-09-06T00:33:24 < jadew> kakimir, use a cup I guess...
2016-09-06T00:33:39 < kakimir> I like this electro swing thing
2016-09-06T00:34:25 < jadew> I know, I was making a joke about the pee thing
2016-09-06T00:34:41 < kakimir> I know
2016-09-06T00:34:58 < upgrdman> lol@kak
2016-09-06T00:40:49 < jadew> kakimir, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCXJS3HMsvQ
2016-09-06T00:40:51 < jadew> and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j95HbhTl60k
2016-09-06T00:42:58 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pqQJOo6rjk
2016-09-06T00:43:55 < kakimir> 1930's night club brought to 2010
2016-09-06T00:48:18 < upgrdman> da shit right here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTIIMJ9tUc8
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2016-09-06T00:56:22 < karlp> hrm, ported laks demo to f1 board, usb enumerates, but only does serial traffic in one direction.
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2016-09-06T00:59:35 < Laurenceb__> just visited polish neighbour in hospital
2016-09-06T00:59:50 < Laurenceb__> had to deny any involvement in brexit
2016-09-06T00:59:52 < Laurenceb__> funtimes
2016-09-06T01:00:26 < Laurenceb__>  "brexit?! wasn't me"
2016-09-06T01:02:42 < englishman> back to finish the job eh
2016-09-06T01:06:02 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: http://www.miskolczoo.hu/sites/default/files/kepek/oldal/indiaiantilop04_tn.jpg
2016-09-06T01:06:25 < kakimir> I solved the riddle
2016-09-06T01:06:35 < Laurenceb__> nice horns
2016-09-06T01:06:55 < Laurenceb__> https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1724945/two-polish-men-attacked-just-hours-after-vigil-for-man-killed-in-the-same-town/
2016-09-06T01:07:14 < kakimir> 23:12 < Laurenceb__> or you could just wash off the bleach
2016-09-06T01:07:26 < englishman> why are you killing all the poles Laurenceb__
2016-09-06T01:07:27 < kakimir> antilopes bleach their under
2016-09-06T01:07:48 < kakimir> secret information
2016-09-06T01:09:29 < Laurenceb__> it's whiteness looks toxic
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2016-09-06T01:09:36 < Laurenceb__> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/JRZ8Eou_VZ5uz3Das1QNsus2WjJOFhg278aL66_dLiwrIsA7j02LLRzYGcCiM9QOgCQ9IiS1kskRYmicB2Gh
2016-09-06T01:09:48 < kakimir> I know you have been reading secret information Laurenceb__
2016-09-06T01:10:02 < englishman> probably funnier than stm32 online workshop
2016-09-06T01:10:59 < Laurenceb__> lulz maybe they could be combined
2016-09-06T01:11:09 < Laurenceb__>  "healing from toxic CUBE"
2016-09-06T01:11:56 < Laurenceb__> STM32Cube Embedded Software: is the patriarchy to blame?
2016-09-06T01:16:08 < Laurenceb__> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nQS2DInO7fs/maxresdefault.jpg
2016-09-06T01:16:20 < Laurenceb__> troll in the green shirt
2016-09-06T01:19:00 < kakimir> He gets supports from his fellow ladies?
2016-09-06T01:19:31 < jadew> the EX-atheist guys is the loser between them all
2016-09-06T01:19:35 < jadew> *guy
2016-09-06T01:20:34 < Laurenceb__> are you sure? https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Atheist
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2016-09-06T01:30:46 < jadew> haha, that's a great article
2016-09-06T01:30:55 < jadew> it's exactly how I see myself
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2016-09-06T01:34:12 < kakimir> you are so fine and then you tell you wear fedora
2016-09-06T01:34:59  * kakimir shakes his head
2016-09-06T01:35:16 < jadew> I always wanted a fedora
2016-09-06T01:35:34 < jadew> just like Indiana Jones
2016-09-06T01:36:15 < kakimir> and hold top of it with your hand while nodding?
2016-09-06T01:37:18 < kakimir> http://betanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ladyfedora-597x600.jpg oh shiet
2016-09-06T01:40:14 < jadew> I have this one: http://www.debenhams.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prod_10701_10001_076010614886_-1
2016-09-06T01:41:23 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/EabmUmy.jpg
2016-09-06T01:41:38 < jadew> Laurenceb__, that's your outfit?
2016-09-06T01:42:25 < Laurenceb__> yup
2016-09-06T01:42:36 < jadew> you have to give it to him, he has cool specs
2016-09-06T01:42:48 < jadew> (the ones in his bag)
2016-09-06T01:43:03 < jadew> those would go great with my hat
2016-09-06T01:43:38 < jadew> desert adventures starter kit
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2016-09-06T01:44:44 < kakimir> I didn't know I was amongst group of supreme gentlemen
2016-09-06T01:45:45  * kakimir tips imaginary fedora
2016-09-06T01:47:18 < jadew> I couldn't find sun glasses like the ones Jack O'Neal uses in Stargate, so I ended up getting this instead: http://www.gogglesnmore.com/fuglies-rx04-SAS-millitary-style-sunglasses-black/
2016-09-06T01:47:32 < jadew> ballistic protection
2016-09-06T01:48:57 < jadew> http://shop.fuglies.com.au/military.html
2016-09-06T01:49:03 < jadew> the first ones there ADF4
2016-09-06T01:49:33 < jadew> had them for ~8 years
2016-09-06T01:49:39 < jadew> they're still in great shape
2016-09-06T01:50:18 < jadew> and because they were so great, I got two more pairs from them: http://shop.fuglies.com.au/safety_glasses.html
2016-09-06T01:50:25 < jadew> OS2 for general stuff
2016-09-06T01:50:34 < Laurenceb__> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f9b_1473109694
2016-09-06T01:50:36 < Laurenceb__> damn
2016-09-06T01:51:01 < jadew> and the same ADF4, but with clear lenses - my son wears them when we do things together
2016-09-06T01:53:45 < Laurenceb__> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=91e_1473108272
2016-09-06T01:57:11 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/HatefulEnormousGnat
2016-09-06T01:59:28 < jadew> do you think hitler like mustaches were in style, in Germany, when he was in power or were they seen as mockery?
2016-09-06T02:01:48 < Laurenceb__> https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2016/Sep/5/LiveLeak-dot-com-c68_1473084518-Crb-fLmXEAAKsQF_1473084330.jpg.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd0954c45d3d4755c&ec_rate=230
2016-09-06T02:01:57 < Laurenceb__> supreme gentleman sunglasses
2016-09-06T02:05:02 < kakimir> tactical
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2016-09-06T02:13:15 < emeb> heh - got I2C EEPROM emulator running on F030
2016-09-06T02:13:51 < emeb> should be handy for faking out some devices that read startup data from EEPROM...
2016-09-06T02:14:09 < stvn> good morning emeb
2016-09-06T02:14:24 < emeb> good afternoon stvn
2016-09-06T02:19:32 < karlp> zyp: http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb/f1_usb.h#n122 that "toggles" the stall bit?
2016-09-06T02:20:07 < Laurenceb__> new Spetsnaz uniform looks like US special forces
2016-09-06T02:20:20 < karlp> how are you clearing nak now on f1 at all?
2016-09-06T02:20:35 < karlp> (thought I'd try f1 to see if it baves any differently to f4...)
2016-09-06T02:22:02 < stvn> Laurenceb__: let's talk about your horse radio
2016-09-06T02:22:44 < Laurenceb__> stvn: wut about it?
2016-09-06T02:22:48 < Laurenceb__> sp1ml?
2016-09-06T02:22:51 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-06T02:23:50 < Laurenceb__> it has shit throughput with stock firmware
2016-09-06T02:23:57 < Laurenceb__> what else is there to say lol
2016-09-06T02:24:03 < stvn> I remember you saying so.
2016-09-06T02:24:20 < Laurenceb__> one day I might write my own firmware
2016-09-06T02:24:28 < Laurenceb__> shouldn't be too hard
2016-09-06T02:24:33 < stvn> perhaps
2016-09-06T02:24:53 < stvn> i think you'd be on to something, maybe it can accept ebonics
2016-09-06T02:24:58 < Laurenceb__> it needs a sane way to swap from tx to rx
2016-09-06T02:25:04 < Laurenceb__> ...
2016-09-06T02:25:07 < Laurenceb__> stop trollin
2016-09-06T02:26:49 < stvn> so this hasn't stalled your project?
2016-09-06T02:27:12 < Laurenceb__> lol no I just negotiated it to be removed from the list of deliverables :D
2016-09-06T02:27:21 < stvn> nice!
2016-09-06T02:27:46 < Laurenceb__> a cunning plan
2016-09-06T02:28:24 < stvn> exactly
2016-09-06T02:29:08 < Laurenceb__> now I can try to negotiate an extension with "new" list of deliverables
2016-09-06T02:29:21 < stvn> notice Laurenceb__ hitler had a cunning plan
2016-09-06T02:29:30 < stvn> notice Laurenceb__ fritzl had an elaborate setup
2016-09-06T02:29:39 < Laurenceb__> lulz
2016-09-06T02:30:02 < Laurenceb__> on the shoulders of giants
2016-09-06T02:30:12 < stvn> Laurenceb__: i should have done so myself... hindsight is 20/20
2016-09-06T02:30:32 < stvn> i wasted my final undergrad year doing the stupidest shit one could imagine
2016-09-06T02:31:08 < Laurenceb__> lul what was the project?
2016-09-06T02:31:47 < stvn> basically making a galvo with a brushed dc motor + a massive gear reduction
2016-09-06T02:32:45 < Laurenceb__> sounds like a useful learning project for controls
2016-09-06T02:33:50 < stvn> i hope to revisit a similar project in my own spare time
2016-09-06T02:33:59 < stvn> maybe a laser chasing game for a cat lol
2016-09-06T02:34:10 < Laurenceb__> do you work freelance?
2016-09-06T02:34:20 < stvn> have done some small stuff in the past
2016-09-06T02:34:49 < stvn> i do want to get into it more of course, to say i'm bored is the understatement of the century
2016-09-06T02:35:02  * Laurenceb__ is wondering about applying for a proper job
2016-09-06T02:35:07 < stvn> me too
2016-09-06T02:35:14 < Laurenceb__> I have a 4 month contract with uni in a few months
2016-09-06T02:35:24 < stvn> nice one
2016-09-06T02:35:26 < Laurenceb__> to process some data from some random experiments for them
2016-09-06T02:35:34 < Laurenceb__> but after that nothing :S
2016-09-06T02:35:39 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-06T02:35:51 < stvn> i'm leaning towards saving some money and doing my masters
2016-09-06T02:36:10 < Laurenceb__> I've just done a PhD, did 4 years masters before that
2016-09-06T02:36:27 < stvn> nice
2016-09-06T02:36:42 < stvn> afaik a masters program is 2 years here
2016-09-06T02:36:47 < Laurenceb__> ah
2016-09-06T02:37:32 < Laurenceb__> I'm tempted to try kickstarting my rockoon project
2016-09-06T02:37:45 < Laurenceb__> I was going to try setting amateur rocket altitude record
2016-09-06T02:37:59 < Laurenceb__> but then I got bored/work/demoralized/no money
2016-09-06T02:38:19 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-06T02:38:30 < Laurenceb__> I need money to live off, but kickstarter would attract annoying perman00bs
2016-09-06T02:38:32 < stvn> problem is when i gets to work everyone wants me
2016-09-06T02:38:33 < Laurenceb__> a paradox
2016-09-06T02:38:41 < stvn> so i end up working 15 hour days
2016-09-06T02:38:48 < stvn> and my brain shrinks to a peanut
2016-09-06T02:38:58 < Laurenceb__> heh
2016-09-06T02:39:17 < Laurenceb__> I live next to Bombardier, Rolls-Royce, various nuclear places
2016-09-06T02:39:19 < stvn> i can't even trust a coworker to return a product with all the knobs and screws fixed
2016-09-06T02:39:24 < stvn> nice
2016-09-06T02:39:25 < Laurenceb__> but all the jobs there are shit
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2016-09-06T02:39:35 < Laurenceb__> report writing and crap office nonsense
2016-09-06T02:39:52 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-06T02:39:59 < stvn> i want to play with components
2016-09-06T02:40:14 < Laurenceb__> I have a friend who has PhD and works on nuclear stuff
2016-09-06T02:40:25 < stvn> nice
2016-09-06T02:40:39 < Laurenceb__> he spends his time writing bullshit reports justifying dubious safety standards for warheads and shit
2016-09-06T02:40:39 < stvn> radiation-bro
2016-09-06T02:40:52 < Laurenceb__> sounds utterly boring
2016-09-06T02:40:58 < stvn> yes
2016-09-06T02:41:03 < Laurenceb__> if he is lucky in 10 years he might get promoted
2016-09-06T02:41:46 < stvn> my internship was assburgering around all day
2016-09-06T02:42:11 < Laurenceb__> where was it?
2016-09-06T02:42:14 < Laurenceb__> inb4 8chan
2016-09-06T02:42:27 < stvn> some hole in the middle of nowhere
2016-09-06T02:43:01 < Laurenceb__> I mean company?
2016-09-06T02:43:18 < stvn> some small australian company
2016-09-06T02:43:24 < Laurenceb__> ah
2016-09-06T02:43:35 < Laurenceb__> yeah small companies are ok sometimes
2016-09-06T02:43:42 < stvn> nothing that'd you'd note eg 'BAE Systems'
2016-09-06T02:43:47 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2016-09-06T02:43:56 < Laurenceb__> lol I used to work for them
2016-09-06T02:44:05 < Laurenceb__> well for a year before PhD
2016-09-06T02:44:14 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-06T02:44:24 < Laurenceb__> writing reports, yay
2016-09-06T02:44:28 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-06T02:45:34 < stvn> i have negotiated with my current client
2016-09-06T02:45:41 < stvn> they can leave me the fuck alone on wednesdays
2016-09-06T02:46:03 < upgrdman> stvn == crt ?
2016-09-06T02:47:04 < stvn> :3
2016-09-06T02:47:44 < Laurenceb__> ip seems to differ
2016-09-06T02:47:57 < stvn> i use that nick for shitposting / trolling with racist rants
2016-09-06T02:48:13 < Laurenceb__> crt confirmed?
2016-09-06T02:48:22 < stvn> i figured under this nick i'd keep it clean / more or less on topic
2016-09-06T02:48:32 < Laurenceb__> I thought you were another weird aussie
2016-09-06T02:48:41 < stvn> i connect to IRC with probably 6 or so static hosts
2016-09-06T02:48:54 < Laurenceb__> the trollin network
2016-09-06T02:49:14 < stvn> freenode
2016-09-06T02:49:50 < Laurenceb__> feenode, the payment is sanity
2016-09-06T02:50:17 < Laurenceb__> http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Home/Web/TAD/Racism.html#l1
2016-09-06T02:50:27 < stvn> yeah that guy is pretty tapped
2016-09-06T02:50:43 < englishman> upgrdman: yes. omg dox
2016-09-06T02:50:47 < stvn> gets up in it like moonman
2016-09-06T02:51:16 < stvn> btw Laurenceb__ i play moonman in my workshop
2016-09-06T02:51:22 < Laurenceb__> oh god
2016-09-06T02:51:38 < Laurenceb__> or should I say "holyc"
2016-09-06T02:53:16 < stvn> i remember some hardcore IRC DDOS lord tried to 'd0x' me once
2016-09-06T02:53:40 < stvn> i was like ... yes i disclose my name to everyone, my number is not private.... you're a retard. kys
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2016-09-06T02:57:02 < Laurenceb__> http://www.codersnotes.com/notes/a-constructive-look-at-templeos/flowchart.png
2016-09-06T02:57:08 < Laurenceb__> thats actually pretty awesome
2016-09-06T03:01:32 < dongs> aandrew: i got pads
2016-09-06T03:01:45 < dongs> is there a GUID at the end of the file if you strings is
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2016-09-06T03:07:44 < zyp> karlp, yes, it's toggling STAT_RX[0] which flips the STAT_RX field from 2 (NAK) to 3 (VALID)
2016-09-06T03:08:56 < zyp> 0x1000 is a bit unreadable, today I probably would have written it like ((2 ^ 3) << 12)
2016-09-06T03:10:03 < zyp> if you don't get that, consider that (x ^ y) gives you the bits that are different between x and y, i.e. the bits that needs to be toggled to go from x to y
2016-09-06T03:11:41 < zyp> I don't really like that toggle shit, it's error prone
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2016-09-06T03:11:59 < zyp> dwc_otg's SNAK and CNAK bits are much better
2016-09-06T03:18:50 < stvn> i have 496 diodes now
2016-09-06T03:20:55 < Laurenceb__> https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1m0xxx/templeos_new_64bit_operating_system/cc4w8n6
2016-09-06T03:21:55 < Laurenceb__> You could not make a robot to push a mouse button and predict the clock the moment the message arrived to the application. 1mS USB included.
2016-09-06T03:22:03 < Laurenceb__> top kek
2016-09-06T03:22:19 < stvn> wtf is with that, some fucker just rippin into it?
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2016-09-06T03:23:02 < Laurenceb__> thats TempleOS guy
2016-09-06T03:25:06 < stvn> what a loon
2016-09-06T03:28:43 < kakimir> stvn: did you know that antilopes bleach their under?
2016-09-06T03:29:01 < Laurenceb__> https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1m0xxx/templeos_new_64bit_operating_system/cc4zs53
2016-09-06T03:30:37 < stvn> kakimir: i know nothing except ducks
2016-09-06T03:31:49 < stvn> this temple guy is quite a well spoken man
2016-09-06T03:32:03 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/QKty00.jpg found temple guy
2016-09-06T03:34:16 < stvn> we should invite him to join our humble stm32 community.
2016-09-06T03:36:10 < Laurenceb__> heh
2016-09-06T03:38:13 < stvn> i'm going to burn down this office
2016-09-06T03:38:50 < stvn> i dream of a paperless office
2016-09-06T03:41:17 < stvn> Laurenceb__: do you have a tl;dr for "economics and environmental impact of recycling paper"
2016-09-06T03:42:02 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2016-09-06T03:49:19 < stvn> i figured
2016-09-06T03:49:47 < stvn> getting sick of loading the paper shredder every day
2016-09-06T03:50:53 < stvn> the embedded foot
2016-09-06T03:50:58 < Laurenceb__> one topic I haven't had to write a stupid report on
2016-09-06T03:51:37 < Laurenceb__> I worked on a project where a 60000 page report had to be delivered to all ESA sites, in paper form
2016-09-06T03:52:06 < Laurenceb__> had to hire a fork lift and lorry
2016-09-06T03:52:08 < stvn> that's quite a few RM0090s
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2016-09-06T03:52:48 < Laurenceb__> mostly it was tables of 125.67.87.4.5.3.b (clause 234) NOT APPLICABLE
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2016-09-06T03:55:05 < Laurenceb__> fun fact: military Galileo encryption keys are delivered to payload integration site on i2c eeprom hand cuffed to a guys wrist in a little canister
2016-09-06T03:55:24 < Laurenceb__> about the only fun fact from my report writing days
2016-09-06T03:55:47 < Laurenceb__> literally mission impossible
2016-09-06T03:57:03 < upgrdman> they should have made it a suppository
2016-09-06T03:57:34 < Laurenceb__> just an "unindexed" ftp server
2016-09-06T03:58:52 < Laurenceb__> oh I confused that with repository
2016-09-06T03:58:54 < Laurenceb__> lulz
2016-09-06T03:59:08 < Laurenceb__> maybe they could be combined using goatse guy and a raspberry pi
2016-09-06T03:59:24 < upgrdman> yes
2016-09-06T03:59:34 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-09-06T03:59:46 < Laurenceb__> looks like I have a failed horsey board
2016-09-06T03:59:51 < Laurenceb__> rage, it was going so well
2016-09-06T04:00:05 < Laurenceb__> rtc oscillator doesnt start up
2016-09-06T04:00:29 < Laurenceb__> there was a short on the board giving 3k ohm from osc out to gnd, enough to fry it?
2016-09-06T04:00:49 < Laurenceb__> fixed the short but its still broken
2016-09-06T04:01:25 < Laurenceb__> PC13, PC14 and PC15 are supplied through the power switch. Si
2016-09-06T04:01:25 < Laurenceb__> nce the switch only sinks a limited amount of current
2016-09-06T04:01:25 < Laurenceb__> (3 mA), the use of GPIOs PC13 to PC15 in output mode is
2016-09-06T04:01:25 < Laurenceb__> limited: the speed should not exceed 2 MHz with a maximum
2016-09-06T04:01:25 < Laurenceb__> load of 30 pF and these IOs must not be used as a current source (e.g. to drive an LED)
2016-09-06T04:02:15 < Laurenceb__> no current source at all?! doesnt make sense
2016-09-06T04:02:38 < Laurenceb__> input pull up def works
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2016-09-06T04:03:35 < englishman> this is true of like PCxx on most chips
2016-09-06T04:03:58 < Laurenceb__> it must be able to source a bit of current
2016-09-06T04:04:02 < englishman> but thats for gpio
2016-09-06T04:04:12 < Laurenceb__> yeah, gpio is still working
2016-09-06T04:04:31 < stvn> shrek`d
2016-09-06T04:04:37 < Laurenceb__> but I had it running in osc mode with undiagnosed short
2016-09-06T04:04:59 < Laurenceb__> last stm32 on my reel O_o
2016-09-06T04:05:01 < Laurenceb__> screwed
2016-09-06T04:05:10 < ReadErr> reel talk
2016-09-06T04:05:11 < englishman> how small are your reels
2016-09-06T04:05:23 < Laurenceb__> about 50
2016-09-06T04:05:40 < Laurenceb__> did a production run with pick and place now
2016-09-06T04:06:11 < stvn> just buy some new shits
2016-09-06T04:06:21 < Laurenceb__> yeah but delay
2016-09-06T04:06:37 < Laurenceb__> might rip apart a discovery board
2016-09-06T04:06:54 < Laurenceb__> I'm worried now
2016-09-06T04:07:03 < stvn> don't worry
2016-09-06T04:07:09 < Laurenceb__> I use portc with pullup
2016-09-06T04:07:22 < Laurenceb__> surely not enough current source to kill anything
2016-09-06T04:07:42 < englishman> what current are you sourcing thru the pullup
2016-09-06T04:07:55 < englishman> thats why you have a pullup isnt it
2016-09-06T04:08:15 < stvn> i would adhere to the specifications
2016-09-06T04:08:18 < Laurenceb__> about 40µA
2016-09-06T04:08:57 < Laurenceb__> thats barely more than worst case for RTC+BBRAM and all the other shit
2016-09-06T04:10:15 < Laurenceb__> lul stuck it into some crappy matlab thermal sim
2016-09-06T04:10:26 < Laurenceb__> it heats 65nm transistor by about 7C
2016-09-06T04:10:50 < englishman> http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Rosetta/Philae_found
2016-09-06T04:10:51 < englishman> lol
2016-09-06T04:10:54 < Laurenceb__> it's not gunna blow, even if they used smallest transistor as power switch
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2016-09-06T04:11:49 < Laurenceb__> yeah their amazing ESA report writing couldnt stop them using the wrong splosives for their harpoon
2016-09-06T04:12:00 < Laurenceb__> I'm surprised shirt guy kept his job
2016-09-06T04:12:05 < Laurenceb__> fucking shitlord
2016-09-06T04:13:03 < stvn> it's a beautiful thing mr /b/
2016-09-06T04:13:07 < stvn> this world we live in
2016-09-06T04:14:07 < englishman> are there any good win10pro licenses on ebay at the moment
2016-09-06T04:14:56 < stvn> he huffed and he puffed... wasn't enough.
2016-09-06T04:31:14 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2016-09-06T04:31:26 < Laurenceb__> ST examples use pullup on portc 13-15
2016-09-06T04:31:30 < Laurenceb__> must be ok
2016-09-06T04:37:26 < englishman> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/britscam/302061515828
2016-09-06T04:37:27 < englishman> looks legit
2016-09-06T04:44:47  * Laurenceb__ zzz
2016-09-06T04:46:21 < englishman> stvn: microscope chats
2016-09-06T04:46:31 < englishman> if you find a good microscope cam for under $500 plz tell me
2016-09-06T04:47:29 < englishman> also trinocular w/simulfocus or gtfo
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2016-09-06T04:50:31 < englishman> got win10 product key code
2016-09-06T04:51:24 < englishman> works
2016-09-06T04:51:25 < englishman> lol
2016-09-06T05:02:10 < stvn> englishman: yeah sounds great
2016-09-06T05:02:45 < stvn> also nice, buy an unusable license key
2016-09-06T05:02:48 < stvn> \o/
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2016-09-06T05:19:49 < englishman> 30 hours waiting for forum account approval on eevfailblog
2016-09-06T05:24:16 < stvn> what the fuck are you doing mate.
2016-09-06T05:24:22 < stvn> is this some kind of joke!?
2016-09-06T05:32:43 < LeelooMinai> lol
2016-09-06T05:48:47 < englishman> updong complete
2016-09-06T05:48:54 < englishman> best $7 spent all week
2016-09-06T05:57:43 < stvn> u did wot
2016-09-06T05:58:35 < englishman> whats on the bench today crt
2016-09-06T05:58:45 < stvn> fuckin shit.
2016-09-06T05:59:55 < stvn> some CD player
2016-09-06T06:00:17 < stvn> i feel sorry for the owner.
2016-09-06T06:00:31 < englishman> whats a CD
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2016-09-06T06:04:04 < stvn> exactly.
2016-09-06T06:09:31 < englishman> oh i remember playing myst with that
2016-09-06T06:18:19 < stvn> sony.
2016-09-06T06:18:23 < stvn> SENSEI HAS NO HONOUR!
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2016-09-06T07:31:27 < stvn> well that was sickening
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2016-09-06T09:31:24 < upgrdman> found young kakimir  https://i.redd.it/dml112znhsjx.jpg
2016-09-06T09:32:54 < stvn> hi upgr
2016-09-06T09:33:17 < stvn> so like
2016-09-06T09:33:26 < stvn> i didn't know mr kakimir was white
2016-09-06T09:33:54 < upgrdman> he european, ergo he white as fuck
2016-09-06T09:34:22 < upgrdman> .fi iirc
2016-09-06T09:34:50 < upgrdman> either sweden finland or norway. one of those frozen penis shape euro countries.
2016-09-06T09:37:13 < stvn> ah
2016-09-06T09:37:17 < stvn> i draw a picture in my head
2016-09-06T09:37:33 < stvn> i see a farmer in Uganda
2016-09-06T09:39:30 < upgrdman> lol
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2016-09-06T10:27:26 < stvn> these turtle boys
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2016-09-06T10:29:27 < Steffann> Where?
2016-09-06T10:30:16 < stvn> hi Steffann
2016-09-06T10:37:56 < jpa-> http://www.bulkrenameutility.co.uk/Shots/mainscr.png   typical windows gui
2016-09-06T10:39:02 < Fleck> :D
2016-09-06T10:39:56 < LeelooMinai> Well, at least you don't need to read 100 man pages to use this one:p
2016-09-06T10:40:30 < dongs> 100 misogynist pages
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2016-09-06T12:00:27 < Steffann> Hah.
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2016-09-06T12:31:34 < karlp> zyp: oh, now I get it.  I knew it was a toggle bit, but I could only see how you were toggling the stall/disabled bit.  given that it says it autonaks for you on receive, now I understand how it toggles from nak->valid instead.  but yeah, that toggle shit seems absurd
2016-09-06T12:31:57 < karlp> (and I would have found ((2^3)<<12) even more unreadable honestly.
2016-09-06T12:32:30 < karlp> it relies a lot on it being known to be in the nak state at that time I guess.
2016-09-06T12:32:49 < zyp> yeah
2016-09-06T12:33:09 < zyp> I could do a RMW but in that situation it can't be in a different state
2016-09-06T12:34:22 < dongs> what is "ANSI C11"
2016-09-06T12:34:44 < dongs> oh, successor of C99
2016-09-06T12:35:16 < zyp> yeah
2016-09-06T12:35:46 < dongs> another fucking "only gcc supports this" joke probably
2016-09-06T12:37:36 < dongs> Removal of the gets function, deprecated in the previous C language standard revision, ISO/IEC 9899:1999/Cor.3:2007(E), in favor of a new safe alternative, gets_s
2016-09-06T12:37:39 < dongs> haha
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2016-09-06T12:52:28 < dongs> ESP32 available, dual wifi+bluetooth
2016-09-06T12:52:34 < dongs> still using oddball CPU core nobody cares about
2016-09-06T12:53:37 < jpa-> who cares about cpu core anyway
2016-09-06T12:54:06 < emeryth> when you have arduino IDE
2016-09-06T12:56:16 < jpa-> yeah
2016-09-06T12:56:30 < kakimir> have you used hard drives ever with stm32?
2016-09-06T12:56:53 < kakimir> via some pata controller board or so
2016-09-06T12:57:22 < jpa-> why not just usb?
2016-09-06T12:57:27 < kakimir> or just usb
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2016-09-06T12:58:05 < kakimir> would be crazy for logging
2016-09-06T12:59:04 < jpa-> crazy as in useless?
2016-09-06T12:59:10 < jpa-> when you can get 64GB microsd cheaply
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2016-09-06T12:59:12 < metRo_> Hi all
2016-09-06T12:59:25 < jpa-> hello
2016-09-06T12:59:36 < metRo_> I have an input set as input compare channel
2016-09-06T12:59:42 < kakimir> jpa-: what if 64GB mircosd is not enought?
2016-09-06T12:59:58 < metRo_> Can I read the pin state like any other GPIO?
2016-09-06T12:59:59 < jpa-> then you use 128GB microsd
2016-09-06T13:00:16 < kakimir> why not use multiple SD cards?
2016-09-06T13:00:20 < kakimir> like.. 10?
2016-09-06T13:00:38 < jpa-> why use?
2016-09-06T13:01:11 < kakimir> to get terabyte?
2016-09-06T13:01:19 < ReadError> http://thehackernews.com/2016/09/linux-kernel-hacking.html
2016-09-06T13:01:38 < ReadError> According to an indictment [PDF] unsealed by federal prosecutors on Monday, Austin managed to steal login credentials of one of the Linux Kernel Organization system administrators in 2011 and used them to install a hard-to-detect malware backdoor, dubbed Phalanx, on servers belonging to the organization.
2016-09-06T13:01:47 < jpa-> kakimir: why not just 1TB sd card?
2016-09-06T13:01:55 < kakimir> is there such?
2016-09-06T13:02:38 < jpa-> if not yet, there will be soon enough
2016-09-06T13:02:49 < jpa-> faster than you'll have 512GB of any meaningful logs
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2016-09-06T13:08:00 < kakimir> if you follow high speed events in any engine and have multiple vibration sensors and shiet recording at high rate
2016-09-06T13:08:36 < kakimir> it's easily megabytes in a second
2016-09-06T13:09:39 < kakimir> let's say it's 2.5MBps
2016-09-06T13:09:49 < jpa-> how?
2016-09-06T13:10:18 < jpa-> and at that point, why wouldn't you compress it?
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2016-09-06T13:11:15 < kakimir> okay let's say it's 0.5MBps
2016-09-06T13:11:40 < metRo_> can I read the gpio state of a input compare pin?
2016-09-06T13:11:42 < jpa-> who is going to look through all this log data anyway?
2016-09-06T13:11:52 < kakimir> automation
2016-09-06T13:12:00 < jpa-> metRo_: yes, AFAIK you can read any gpio state even if they are hooked up to a peripheral
2016-09-06T13:12:00 < metRo_> I have tim2->ccr4 set as input compare on PB11
2016-09-06T13:12:06 < metRo_> ok
2016-09-06T13:12:07 < metRo_> thank you
2016-09-06T13:12:47 < kakimir> jpa-: hmm... gives test period of 12days..
2016-09-06T13:12:55 < kakimir> that's enought
2016-09-06T13:13:19 < jpa-> but with the poor reliability of cheap sd cards, using a harddrive might not be a bad choice anyway
2016-09-06T13:13:41 < kakimir> yes
2016-09-06T13:14:21 < kakimir> can you bitbang sata?
2016-09-06T13:14:31 < jpa-> no
2016-09-06T13:14:47 < jpa-> and at that point, why not just put a small embedded pc
2016-09-06T13:15:01 < kakimir> true
2016-09-06T13:15:07 < kakimir> that's smart
2016-09-06T13:16:03 < kakimir> it would have capacity to compress shiet
2016-09-06T13:16:18 < kakimir> and recording application would be writen for lunix environment
2016-09-06T13:16:33 < jpa-> .. and now we have arrived at the point where "just use a pc" counts as "smart"
2016-09-06T13:17:22 < jpa-> it could even stream it to the big data cloud directly so that you can hadoop it all and store the results in nosql to have reactive user interface on your mobile device to look at the self-learning AI results
2016-09-06T13:20:05 < Sync> kakimir: usually you don't generate as much data other than crash tests
2016-09-06T13:21:14 < kakimir> crash test *sd card flies out of it's slot*
2016-09-06T13:22:03 < jpa-> yeah, i bet if kakimir was doing a crash tester, he would put the storage inside the car..
2016-09-06T13:22:54 < kakimir> you could
2016-09-06T13:23:45 < kakimir> it would require mechanical suspension for it and a shell
2016-09-06T13:24:08 < jpa-> and risk getting no useful results from crashing the million dollar prototype
2016-09-06T13:28:37 < metRo_> what could cause my code doesnt run what is inside while loop?
2016-09-06T13:29:30 < kakimir> it doesn't enter the loop
2016-09-06T13:29:56 < kakimir> 1) condition is not met
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2016-09-06T13:30:56 < kakimir> 2) program diverts before while loop unexpectedly
2016-09-06T13:31:33 < kakimir> with debugger you would see exactly what happens
2016-09-06T13:33:06 < metRo_> kakimir: until now I didnt have any code on my while loop
2016-09-06T13:33:20 < metRo_> all of my code was based on interrupts
2016-09-06T13:33:46 < metRo_> I have a timer that send a pulse to 8 ultrasound sensors
2016-09-06T13:33:52 < kakimir> there is mode in mcu to execute only interrupts
2016-09-06T13:34:02 < kakimir> and sleep between them
2016-09-06T13:34:05 < kakimir> you have that on?
2016-09-06T13:34:17 < metRo_> and then I have 8 input capture regiters that read the value of the sensors
2016-09-06T13:34:21 < metRo_> and send it to usb
2016-09-06T13:34:33 < metRo_> now to know if the sensor is connected or not
2016-09-06T13:34:40 < metRo_> I need to add some code to while loop
2016-09-06T13:34:43 < metRo_> to check it
2016-09-06T13:34:56 < ReadError> luuul attn Laurenceb
2016-09-06T13:34:57 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofJzavEH12A
2016-09-06T13:35:03 < ReadError> Zoe Quinn Talks Project Tingler and Moving On: VICE Gaming Meets
2016-09-06T13:35:08 < metRo_> I add something simple like var = 1
2016-09-06T13:35:13 < metRo_> and var still 0
2016-09-06T13:35:45 < emeryth> metRo_: maybe the compiler optimized it away
2016-09-06T13:35:50 < metRo_> kakimir: how can I check if I have the mcu on that mode?
2016-09-06T13:36:20 < metRo_> emeryth: but if I have if ( HAL_GPIO_ReadPin(GPIOB,GPIO_PIN_11) == GPIO_PIN_RESET ) { var = 1; }
2016-09-06T13:36:23 < metRo_> it shouldnt...
2016-09-06T13:36:30 < metRo_> and I declare var as __IO
2016-09-06T13:37:08 < kakimir> it shouldn't be on by default
2016-09-06T13:37:31 < PeterM> ReadError, Zoe Quinn Talks with many cocks in and around her mouth, not a word is understood.
2016-09-06T13:38:35 < metRo_> kakimir: I can confirm that at least one time it enters on while
2016-09-06T13:39:10 < kakimir> well do you have mainloop?
2016-09-06T13:39:29 < metRo_> kakimir: didn't understand :s
2016-09-06T13:39:56 < kakimir> does your code reach <main> return 0; ?
2016-09-06T13:40:12 < Steffann> Iirc zyp had plans for an IDE interface once
2016-09-06T13:40:37 < Steffann> Using an fpga
2016-09-06T13:40:49 < kakimir> metRo_: it shouldn't if your code runs some constant operation infinitelly
2016-09-06T13:41:58 < kakimir> using more than interrupts
2016-09-06T13:42:21 < ReadError> lol oh god, the people they have reviewing 'Depression'
2016-09-06T13:42:49 < metRo_> kakimir: if ( HAL_GPIO_ReadPin(GPIOB,GPIO_PIN_11) == GPIO_PIN_RESET ) { var = 1; }
2016-09-06T13:42:53 < kakimir> I don't know if <main> return 0; dissables interrupts but I think it just while(1) traps execution
2016-09-06T13:43:09 < metRo_> this is what I run on while(1)
2016-09-06T13:44:29 < kakimir> I don't know stm32 coding but syntax looks okay
2016-09-06T13:44:43 < jpa-> metRo_: how do you figure it doesn't run it?
2016-09-06T13:45:05 < jpa-> metRo_: is the var marked volatile? otherwise the compiler might optimize the write aways
2016-09-06T13:46:19 < metRo_> jpa-: I put a break on it
2016-09-06T13:46:31 < metRo_> jpa-: I thought __IO is the same
2016-09-06T13:46:38 < metRo_> as volatile
2016-09-06T13:47:23 < jpa-> probably, it's just a #define
2016-09-06T13:48:58 < metRo_> I have a timer set a 17hz
2016-09-06T13:49:20 < metRo_> on that timer I send a trigger for ultrasound
2016-09-06T13:49:27 < metRo_> and set sensorState = 0
2016-09-06T13:49:39 < metRo_> on while I wait to sensor pin to go 1
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2016-09-06T13:49:45 < metRo_> and set sensorState = 1
2016-09-06T13:50:07 < metRo_> then when interrupt is caller I only send the sensor value if the ultrasound echo went 1
2016-09-06T13:50:22 < metRo_> otherwise it isn't connected
2016-09-06T13:50:41 < metRo_> the problem is that the condition if ( HAL_GPIO_ReadPin(GPIOB,GPIO_PIN_11) == GPIO_PIN_RESET ) { var = 1; } on while isn;t called
2016-09-06T13:52:19 < dongs>  < kakimir> I don't know stm32 coding
2016-09-06T13:52:47 < kakimir> traitor.exe
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2016-09-06T14:00:10 < metRo_> I my colleague is runing an ADC ax max velocity and do some divisions and multiplications on the ADC interrupt
2016-09-06T14:00:21 < metRo_> could it take all the mcu juice?
2016-09-06T14:00:41 < karlp> metRo_: as a general idea, things like __IO are so that vendors can write code that theorertically compiles with a mountain of bizzare compilers that might not understand c standard.  in your own code, there's no much point using them, jsut use volatile yourself.
2016-09-06T14:00:59 < kakimir> metRo_: it does
2016-09-06T14:01:01 < metRo_> karlp: thank you
2016-09-06T14:01:25 < kakimir> you really can't do pretty much any calculations in interrupt for the sample
2016-09-06T14:02:09 < kakimir> I don't know if even simplest interrupt program is able to execute for every sample
2016-09-06T14:02:22 < kakimir> so that there would be entering main program between
2016-09-06T14:02:38 < jadew> well, depends on what that max smaple rate is
2016-09-06T14:02:42 < jadew> *sample
2016-09-06T14:03:00 < kakimir> usually it's enought to block executing completelly
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2016-09-06T14:06:32 < metRo_> just comment the ADC code and it work
2016-09-06T14:08:06 < kakimir> a little interrupt lesson there
2016-09-06T14:08:16 < jadew> HOLLY CRAP!
2016-09-06T14:08:22 < jadew> https://code.visualstudio.com/
2016-09-06T14:08:27 < jadew> I completely missed this
2016-09-06T14:08:52 < kakimir> metRo_: does ADC have DMA in your chip?
2016-09-06T14:08:57 < jadew> it's a damn text editor from microsoft :D
2016-09-06T14:09:05 < dongs> the fuck is that jadew
2016-09-06T14:09:19 < jadew> dongs, light text/code editor
2016-09-06T14:09:26 < jadew> can't wait to install it
2016-09-06T14:09:39 < dongs> jadew, does it only come in hipster-gray colorscheme
2016-09-06T14:09:50 < kakimir> it looks like they bought some lite editor and butt their stamp on it?
2016-09-06T14:10:07 < jadew> don't know, I just went through a 2 days fixing session with atom, to fix the gay themes and color schemes
2016-09-06T14:10:15 < jadew> but it still sucks in the editing department
2016-09-06T14:11:12 < dongs> uhh
2016-09-06T14:11:12 < jadew> not to mention it's very slow
2016-09-06T14:11:13 < dongs> jadew
2016-09-06T14:11:22 < dongs> this shit just looks like atom with microsoft logo on it
2016-09-06T14:11:27 < dongs> it still uses fucking electron
2016-09-06T14:11:28 < dongs> non-starter
2016-09-06T14:11:29 < dongs> shift-del
2016-09-06T14:11:40 < dongs> fuck node.js and anything .js related
2016-09-06T14:11:48 < kakimir> metRo_: study interrupt delays and "interrupt tail chaining"
2016-09-06T14:11:49 < jadew> wait, it's js based?
2016-09-06T14:11:52 < dongs> ofd course
2016-09-06T14:11:53 < jadew> where did you read that?
2016-09-06T14:11:57 < jadew> ah...
2016-09-06T14:11:58 < dongs> its right in teh fucking .zip file
2016-09-06T14:12:15 < jadew> that's disappointing
2016-09-06T14:12:19 < dongs> vscodewin32-stable.zip\resources has electron shi in it
2016-09-06T14:12:37 < kakimir> metRo_: https://community.arm.com/docs/DOC-2607
2016-09-06T14:13:04 < jadew> I'll still give it a go
2016-09-06T14:13:17 < kakimir> what happens if I don't use those resistors there http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/156806/arm-cortex-reset-button-and-debug-interface-swd
2016-09-06T14:14:18 < jadew> the ones that keep the line from floating?
2016-09-06T14:18:18 < metRo_> kakimir: yes, we are using the DMA
2016-09-06T14:19:56 < karlp> why were you even tryign to use such brand new editors as atom jadew?
2016-09-06T14:20:06 < karlp> were you _hoping_ to find edges not covered by original developer use cases?
2016-09-06T14:20:34 < jadew> karlp, better git integration, nicer tools
2016-09-06T14:20:51 < jadew> atom actually has that, but it's slow and the editor itself sucks
2016-09-06T14:20:52 < dongs> holy fucking balls
2016-09-06T14:20:57 < dongs> jadew: code.vs getting deleted
2016-09-06T14:21:02 < dongs> they've failed basic UI shit
2016-09-06T14:21:07 < dongs> alt-f-x does NOT exit it
2016-09-06T14:21:11 < dongs> if youre holding down alt between f and x
2016-09-06T14:21:13 < dongs> the actual fuck
2016-09-06T14:21:35 < jadew> that's probably the node thing
2016-09-06T14:21:44 < jadew> they got the editting part right tho
2016-09-06T14:21:52 < dongs> no worries, i'll stick to vim
2016-09-06T14:21:58 < jadew> that's the first thing I checked
2016-09-06T14:22:04 < jadew> you're using vim too?
2016-09-06T14:22:20 < jadew> (I don't, but I've noticed a lot of people do)
2016-09-06T14:22:31 < dongs> cuz rightclick->V
2016-09-06T14:22:33 < dongs> to edit any file with it
2016-09-06T14:22:37 < dongs> and I know what to do with it
2016-09-06T14:22:38 < dongs> so yes.
2016-09-06T14:22:58 < ReadError> lol atleast its not EMAX
2016-09-06T14:23:18 < jadew> dongs, are you not bothered at all that you have to switch modes all the time?
2016-09-06T14:23:25 < dongs> no
2016-09-06T14:23:33 < kakimir> jadew: I don't have pullups in my lpc designs
2016-09-06T14:23:38 < kakimir> but for reset
2016-09-06T14:23:53 < kakimir> or those series resistors
2016-09-06T14:25:35 < dongs> series = ringing
2016-09-06T14:25:50 < dongs> pullups = make sure defeault state is known, but largely not needed at all
2016-09-06T14:26:07 < dongs> needing pullups on jtag is back from decades ago when this acutally mattered
2016-09-06T14:28:20 < stvn> ok
2016-09-06T14:33:53 < karlp> what does "nicer tools" mean when you say the editor itself sucks?
2016-09-06T14:34:19 < jadew> karlp, that's the thing the tools don't matter much if the editting experience sucks
2016-09-06T14:34:24 < jadew> I liked for example the git integration
2016-09-06T14:34:29 < jadew> (got it via plugin)
2016-09-06T14:34:32 < dongs> sourcetree works
2016-09-06T14:35:32 < jadew> I'm using tortoise git, but I wanted something nice built in the editor
2016-09-06T14:36:01 < jpa-> command line git ftw
2016-09-06T14:36:25 < ReadError> ew
2016-09-06T14:36:29 < jadew> yeah, I wanted to be able to quickly get a command prompt inside the editor as well
2016-09-06T14:36:34 < ReadError> sorestree is nice though
2016-09-06T14:36:46 < karlp> code is such a bad name for a project though.
2016-09-06T14:36:50 < karlp> good luck searching for that
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2016-09-06T14:37:50 < jpa-> yeah, so call it "vs code"
2016-09-06T14:39:04 < dongs> fuck tortoise anything
2016-09-06T14:39:16 < dongs> they leak icon resources each time you rightclick in explorer
2016-09-06T14:40:14 < jadew> don't know, now I'm lost without explorer integration
2016-09-06T14:40:57 < jadew> their conflict resolution tool is not great tho
2016-09-06T14:41:31 < jadew> every time I get a merge conflict and I try to use it I get confused and I just open the file in an editor and do it manually
2016-09-06T14:43:39 < jadew> ok, I like vs code
2016-09-06T14:44:00 < jadew> now I hate myself for discovering it after putting so much work in getting atom to work my way
2016-09-06T14:44:11 < jadew> when this thing is already 80% there
2016-09-06T14:44:35 < jadew> and most importantly, the editing experience is amazing
2016-09-06T14:44:52 < jadew> in atom, if you do if (whatever) and hit enter
2016-09-06T14:44:58 < dongs> they cahnges intellisense commit way in vs2015 or wahtever
2016-09-06T14:44:59 < jadew> it doesn't indent
2016-09-06T14:44:59 < dongs> maybe earlier
2016-09-06T14:45:06 < dongs> now all it does is rage the fuck out of me each tiem i code C#
2016-09-06T14:45:14 < dongs> because it fucks up each time i try to complete something
2016-09-06T14:45:52 < jadew> I haven't done C# in a while, works fine with c++
2016-09-06T14:45:58 < dongs> broken tehre too
2016-09-06T14:45:59 < jadew> either that, or it's visual assist doing it's thing
2016-09-06T14:46:01 < dongs> anything int ellisense related
2016-09-06T14:46:11 < jadew> *its
2016-09-06T14:46:22 < jadew> you have visual assist?
2016-09-06T14:46:27 < dongs> no
2016-09-06T14:46:34 < dongs> vs2010 code editor was fine
2016-09-06T14:46:38 < dongs> for everything I was doing with it
2016-09-06T14:46:43 < karlp> huh, rj point 5: http://www.te.com/usa-en/products/connectors/input-output-connectors/rectangular-i-o/modular-jacks-plugs/rj-point-five-connectors.html?tab=pgp-story
2016-09-06T14:47:12 < dongs> karlp: good luck replacing ethernet jacks
2016-09-06T14:47:36 < karlp> yeah, I know.
2016-09-06T14:47:46 < karlp> but still, some people will really want that shit
2016-09-06T14:47:59 < karlp> playing the connector search game again.
2016-09-06T14:48:49 < karlp> quite like the hirose df62, but we want to use cables with insualation on them, not just individual strands, and there's no space for heatshrinking on the back of the socket.
2016-09-06T14:49:00 < karlp> so much is either enormous or expensive or both
2016-09-06T14:49:54 < dongs> XLR
2016-09-06T14:54:41 < stvn> ok
2016-09-06T14:56:18 < ReadErr> stfu stvn
2016-09-06T14:57:31 < stvn> wut
2016-09-06T14:57:37 < jpa-> hm, interesting; STM32F7 tightly-coupled ram can also be accessed by dma; so much more useful than on stm32f4
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2016-09-06T15:05:37 < Steffann> ReadErr <3
2016-09-06T15:05:39 < karlp> dongs: harhar
2016-09-06T15:08:03 < dongs> jpa, where did you read that? ITCM? is not DMA'ble
2016-09-06T15:08:17 < Thorn> you can dma it on f3 iirc
2016-09-06T15:08:18 < dongs> or is there another TCM
2016-09-06T15:08:38 < jpa-> DTCM
2016-09-06T15:08:42 < jpa-> 128kB
2016-09-06T15:08:42 < dongs> mkay
2016-09-06T15:08:53 < jpa-> (STM32F765)
2016-09-06T15:09:49 < stvn> hi http://www.vadcon.com/images/pp/ppx48-nc3mdlf.jpg
2016-09-06T15:11:06 < jpa-> also, the DTCM and SRAM1 and SRAM2 blocks are nicely placed starting from 0x20000000 so you can use them like it was just one big block of ram
2016-09-06T15:11:08 < dongs> jewtrik
2016-09-06T15:11:30 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-06T15:16:01 < jpa-> (heh, they have improved CRC block where you can now set the polynomial, but fortunately they have still kept CRC->IDR :)
2016-09-06T15:16:49 < karlp> I thought you could set hte poly on l0/ and newer crc periph?
2016-09-06T15:17:20 < jpa-> yeah, probably
2016-09-06T15:17:40 < jpa-> latest stm32 i used was F4 before this F7 :P
2016-09-06T15:20:20 < jpa-> i guess it's a good check for library quality; if a HAL library provides wrapper function for CRC->IDR, you know that its crap
2016-09-06T15:54:05 < Ecco> I never understood the point of core-coupled memory
2016-09-06T15:55:41 < jpa-> Ecco: no bus contention
2016-09-06T15:55:51 < jpa-> i.e. fast access even if dma is doing its thing
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2016-09-06T16:12:28 < Ecco> oh, I see
2016-09-06T16:12:29 < Ecco> thanks
2016-09-06T16:12:45 < Ecco> So isn't the fact that it can't be DMAed a feature?
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2016-09-06T16:41:06 < Laurenceb__> has anyone actually measured how long it takes LSE to start up?
2016-09-06T16:41:26 < Laurenceb__> datasheet suggests up to 10 seconds or so, but I've only seen 1 to 1.5s
2016-09-06T16:43:03 < dongs> toggle gpio before/after start and measure on scope?
2016-09-06T16:44:11 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2016-09-06T16:44:49 < Laurenceb__> my board self test code times out after 3s, wondered if thats why my rtc is failing
2016-09-06T16:45:05 < Laurenceb__> dont have failed board with me atm :-/
2016-09-06T16:45:41 < dongs> anyone ever implemented bootloader over blinking led
2016-09-06T16:45:46 < Laurenceb__> its got to be because OSC32_OUT was shorted to ground
2016-09-06T16:45:48 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2016-09-06T16:45:52 < dongs> yeah
2016-09-06T16:46:04 < dongs> i have a sealed device with only a led for comms
2016-09-06T16:46:12 < dongs> was thinking use led in diode mode to rx and as led to tx
2016-09-06T16:46:15 < Laurenceb__> cuz I've done like 1k board with identical or almost identical RTC
2016-09-06T16:46:18 < dongs> and half-duplex some half-assed stuff
2016-09-06T16:46:23 < Laurenceb__> and they all stared up in <2s
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2016-09-06T16:46:36 < Laurenceb__> weird cuz datasheet suggests much longer, but I never had issues
2016-09-06T16:46:38 < zyp> wat, several seconds of startup time?
2016-09-06T16:46:43 < dongs> yea, wat
2016-09-06T16:47:10 < Laurenceb__> datasheet says up to 10s
2016-09-06T16:47:21 < Laurenceb__> depending on ambient temperature
2016-09-06T16:47:32 < dongs> well take them out of the frerezer
2016-09-06T16:47:42 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-09-06T16:47:45 < dongs> did you know when crystals get cold
2016-09-06T16:47:49 < dongs> they go brrr
2016-09-06T16:47:50 < dongs> and don't work
2016-09-06T16:48:23 < Laurenceb__> balloons have run with stm32 xtals at -70C
2016-09-06T16:48:54 < Laurenceb__> dongs: you can use LED as a light detector
2016-09-06T16:49:00 < dongs> i know
2016-09-06T16:49:19 < Laurenceb__> but not with standard GPIO drive c
2016-09-06T16:49:49 < Laurenceb__> you could reverse bias it and measure discharge time
2016-09-06T16:50:07 < Laurenceb__> LED between two gpio with a current limiting resistor would work
2016-09-06T16:50:14 < englishman> dongs arent there waterproof connectors you can use on dildos
2016-09-06T16:50:24 < dongs> i'm not samsung
2016-09-06T16:50:34 < dongs> i dont have axxs to leet IP67 connectors
2016-09-06T16:50:57 < englishman> the power meter outside the house has a lil port with photodiode and ir led, there's a little cable the techs apply to it with two tubes to isolate tx+rx channels
2016-09-06T16:51:13 < Laurenceb__> you mean you dont have paperwork monkeys to spoof the certification
2016-09-06T16:51:27 < englishman> limiting to single led sux
2016-09-06T16:51:32 < dongs> that sounds like what ill probly end up doing
2016-09-06T16:51:33 < Laurenceb__> half duplex with a single led should work
2016-09-06T16:51:44 < englishman> and youd have to test with the silicone ribbed material theyre using in production
2016-09-06T16:51:51 < Laurenceb__> fapfapfap
2016-09-06T16:52:12 < englishman> why no IoD
2016-09-06T16:52:38 < Laurenceb__> gpio -led - r - gpio
2016-09-06T16:52:51 < Laurenceb__> for led drive (fookin obvious)
2016-09-06T16:53:50 < Laurenceb__> for light detector : anode == gnd, cathode == pulse at v+, then wait for it to fall low due to photocurrent
2016-09-06T16:54:06 < Laurenceb__> time delay gives the light intensity
2016-09-06T16:54:52 < dongs> saved in protips.txt
2016-09-06T16:57:21 < Laurenceb__> still needs bit sync, packetization with crc, resend etc
2016-09-06T16:57:25 < Laurenceb__> lot of work :S
2016-09-06T17:00:15 < dongs> https://blog.arduino.cc/2012/05/29/programming-your-arduino-with-no-physical-contact/
2016-09-06T17:00:19 < dongs> sweet
2016-09-06T17:00:21 < dongs> furiously copypasting
2016-09-06T17:00:47 < dongs> haha wat
2016-09-06T17:00:50 < dongs> links to n0m1.com
2016-09-06T17:00:51 < dongs> why is that familiar
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2016-09-06T17:01:57 < dongs> While not amazingly fast, this results in about 1 min 30 seconds to transfer a moderately large Arduino sketch of 20kb.
2016-09-06T17:02:01 < dongs> ...
2016-09-06T17:03:10 < Sync> wat
2016-09-06T17:03:18 < Sync> 0/10 would not program with
2016-09-06T17:03:24 < dongs> haha
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2016-09-06T17:04:44 < englishman> https://web.archive.org/web/20120523113801/http://n0m1.com/2012/05/07/superduplex-an-infrared-bootloader-for-arduino/
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2016-09-06T17:05:27 < englishman> i dont think you can get much more than 2kbaud out of those ~38kHz transcievers
2016-09-06T17:07:35 < dongs> > an actual circuit using a 555 timer
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2016-09-06T17:07:39 < dongs> i think i can just stop reading there
2016-09-06T17:13:32 < dongs> errr, that "hack" just connects the fucking IR receiver to uart_rx and uses the bootloader.. as bootlaoder.
2016-09-06T17:13:48 < dongs> fucking arduino retards.
2016-09-06T17:14:57 < Laurenceb__> heh I was going to suggest that
2016-09-06T17:15:10 < Laurenceb__> but you could just do it properly and use IRDA
2016-09-06T17:16:15 < karlp> englishman: that dual irled+photodiode on your meter is an iec standard
2016-09-06T17:16:23 < karlp> right down to the diameter of the magnet used
2016-09-06T17:16:33 < englishman> cool
2016-09-06T17:16:35 < dongs> really? whats the name
2016-09-06T17:16:50 < karlp> the problem is there's 5 protocols allowed for use over it,
2016-09-06T17:16:56 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_62056
2016-09-06T17:16:57 < dongs> this?
2016-09-06T17:16:57 < englishman> dildo only needs 1
2016-09-06T17:16:58 < karlp> and they normally refuse to say what they're using.
2016-09-06T17:17:02 < karlp> yeah number looks about right
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2016-09-06T17:17:40 < karlp> the -21 part
2016-09-06T17:17:51 < englishman> half duplex?
2016-09-06T17:19:06 < dongs> 6.5mm
2016-09-06T17:19:22 < englishman> CHF 280 for the doxx
2016-09-06T17:19:32 < dongs> http://www.polier.fr/medias/files/iec.62056-21-2002..change.des.donn.es.pdf some french fux had it cached
2016-09-06T17:19:48 < Laurenceb__> moar part == moar expensive
2016-09-06T17:19:51 < englishman> nice
2016-09-06T17:20:01 < Laurenceb__> you could are going for more stuff then I'd use IRDA
2016-09-06T17:20:14 < dongs> i dont haev a lot of choice, hardware is already made
2016-09-06T17:20:32 < englishman> hm so txrx are in same shroud
2016-09-06T17:20:36 < Laurenceb__> half duplex with single LED is no extra cost
2016-09-06T17:21:01 < Laurenceb__> apart from RAGE interface code with bit sync and stuff
2016-09-06T17:21:06 < englishman> just get china to greenwire nrf24 module onto every dildo
2016-09-06T17:22:34 < BrainDamage> nah, add waifu(wifi) chip to upgrade firmware and tweet every orgasm
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2016-09-06T17:48:09 < Laurenceb__> so kind of like hackitten
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2016-09-06T18:46:41 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-37283869 Laurenceb__ were you involved
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2016-09-06T20:02:00 < aandrew> dongs: yes, there is a GUID at the end of the file: {F4997D70-AF8A-11D0-A373-000000000000}
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2016-09-06T20:08:16 < aandrew> wtf was that: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1m0xxx/templeos_new_64bit_operating_system/cc4w8n6
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2016-09-06T21:44:05 < gxti_> i wonder what that guy's up to now
2016-09-06T21:44:12 < gxti_> probably same thing
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2016-09-06T22:01:27 < englishman> you are not wrong gxti_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CeI2jbkaV0
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2016-09-06T22:10:21 < LeelooMinai> "It's a common misconception that TempleOS uses flash" - lol...
2016-09-06T22:13:27 < LeelooMinai> Man, this is some Twilight Zone stuff
2016-09-06T22:14:01 < LeelooMinai> "It has front, middle, and back end"
2016-09-06T22:16:25 < LeelooMinai> "If you know what integers are - they don't shrink very wel"...
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2016-09-06T22:26:31 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: have you done anything with the SK6812mini addressable RGB led?
2016-09-06T22:26:49 < LeelooMinai> no:)
2016-09-06T22:37:29 < jadew> ffs, minicircuits sucks
2016-09-06T22:37:56 < jadew> I ordered something on 17th last month
2016-09-06T22:38:00 < LeelooMinai> Damn, I wish I did not watch this stuff - I am scarred for life now:/
2016-09-06T22:38:09 < jadew> $50 shipping from UK
2016-09-06T22:38:34 < aandrew> what stuff
2016-09-06T22:38:37 < jadew> I asked them about it on the 26th, they said it should ship on the 30th, but I didn't see the month! 30th of this month
2016-09-06T22:39:04 < jadew> so it takes them a month and a half to ship two freaking breakout boards
2016-09-06T22:39:17 < aandrew> yeah but you're in .ro
2016-09-06T22:39:28 < aandrew> they have to fend off gypsies and vampires
2016-09-06T22:39:34 < jadew> must be
2016-09-06T22:39:50 < LeelooMinai> And Vlad the Impaler
2016-09-06T22:39:56 < aandrew> what sucks
2016-09-06T22:40:07 < aandrew> is you go to Bran castle now and it's all about some Queen Maria or something
2016-09-06T22:40:26 < aandrew> I guess after the revolution they had to give it back ot hte rightful owners and it was her decendants so it's all a monument to her now
2016-09-06T22:40:33 < aandrew> and no romanian I know gives a shit about her
2016-09-06T22:40:46 < jadew> don't even know who she is
2016-09-06T22:41:08 < jadew> might have heard her mentioned in some documentary, but that's about it
2016-09-06T22:42:48 < jadew> man, I'm so pissed off, I was wondering every day if this is the day when UPS will knock on my door with my freaking breakout boards
2016-09-06T22:44:25 < kakimir> hello jadew
2016-09-06T22:44:30 < jadew> hey
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2016-09-06T22:45:32 < kakimir> how to drive bit shift registers
2016-09-06T22:46:28 < aandrew> don't bother going to the castle. it sucks
2016-09-06T22:46:40 < jadew> aandrew, been there already
2016-09-06T22:46:41 < jadew> I know
2016-09-06T22:46:45 < aandrew> although when I did go years ago the tour guide was awesome
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2016-09-06T22:48:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRXVHV1hKV0NHNnM/view?usp=sharing
2016-09-06T22:48:37 < kakimir> first screenshot
2016-09-06T22:49:17 < kakimir> typoed pin names :/
2016-09-06T22:49:24 < kakimir> dst = ds
2016-09-06T22:49:47 < Fleck> how did that happen?
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2016-09-06T22:50:27 < kakimir> hurry
2016-09-06T22:50:54 < kakimir> 1 looks T
2016-09-06T22:52:15 < kakimir> I was late from local hacklab meet
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2016-09-06T23:01:08 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKb3MzT3lpdWNjQnc/view?usp=sharing this is all they give me
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2016-09-06T23:08:43 < Rob235> what side of the prop do you put glue/tape to balance them? I assumed top would interfere less but I've seen people do bottom too
2016-09-06T23:09:19 < kakimir> both?
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2016-09-06T23:10:40 < karlp> I thought you'd already learnt that you just made sure your control system worked and it "balanced them" for you?
2016-09-06T23:10:58 < karlp> or do you like spending hours balancing props, then put them on a wild plane and crash them and smash the props so you can do it again?
2016-09-06T23:11:27 < karlp> I mean, if you're making a living delivering cargo with your drone and need those last few %, sure, but surely you do that _after_ you have all the rest sorted out?
2016-09-06T23:12:10 < kakimir> http://termite.apcdn.com/full/149168.jpg
2016-09-06T23:15:51 < kakimir> does anyone here work in jubb place like that?
2016-09-06T23:18:18 < Steffann> You prefer you sw in finnish over english? kakimir ?
2016-09-06T23:18:24 < Steffann> Looks weird. Kicad in finnishers language
2016-09-06T23:18:54 < kakimir> translation is not even complete
2016-09-06T23:19:17 < LeelooMinai> That guy seems a bit high
2016-09-06T23:19:22 < kakimir> too lazy to open "Asetukset" menu and change language
2016-09-06T23:19:56 < kakimir> bitch didn't even need restart it changed to english on fly
2016-09-06T23:19:59 < kakimir> this is good stuff
2016-09-06T23:20:24 < kakimir> kicad devs have it figured out
2016-09-06T23:21:07 < kakimir> now tell me how to drive this shift register
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2016-09-06T23:26:19 < kakimir> totally useless piece I think
2016-09-06T23:26:45 < kakimir> maybe ok for led display
2016-09-06T23:26:56 < kakimir> not for general purpose outputs
2016-09-06T23:27:02 < LeelooMinai> Well, MR is reset, active low, CP seems to be clock pulse, and ds 1/2 need both to be high.
2016-09-06T23:27:18 < LeelooMinai> To shift high that is
2016-09-06T23:27:38 < kakimir> that is the part I dont understand
2016-09-06T23:27:44 < LeelooMinai> So you probably can just wire them together
2016-09-06T23:27:58 < kakimir> why there is AND operation for DS*
2016-09-06T23:28:44 < LeelooMinai> I don't know - maybe they give you and gate for free because they had pins left:p
2016-09-06T23:29:14 < kakimir> oh
2016-09-06T23:29:49 < LeelooMinai> "Two Serial Data inputs (DS1 and DS2) are provided; either one can be used as a Data Enable control."
2016-09-06T23:30:22 < LeelooMinai> Ok, so basically using one you can "gate" the data - sibnce when it's 0 other pin's data will be basically ignored.
2016-09-06T23:30:26 < kakimir> you put another low and clokc will still move registers
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2016-09-06T23:33:18 < LeelooMinai> Yes, it won't stop shifting - just ingore 1's on the other pin
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2016-09-06T23:34:04 < LeelooMinai> Which may be useful toyou or not, but you don't have to use this functionality. As I write, you can just wire two pins together.
2016-09-06T23:34:11 < LeelooMinai> wrote*
2016-09-06T23:34:51 < LeelooMinai> Or I guess just wire one of them high
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2016-09-06T23:45:23 < kakimir> I need something that has outbuts flush functin
2016-09-06T23:45:36 < LeelooMinai> The what? :p
2016-09-06T23:45:43 < kakimir> or thing that changes all the values once when pin is toggled
2016-09-06T23:46:02 < LeelooMinai> You can reset it to 0
2016-09-06T23:46:07 < kakimir> so that registers may shift without outputs changing
2016-09-06T23:46:33 < kakimir> until it's completelly shifted
2016-09-06T23:46:51 < kakimir> then outputs are flushed
2016-09-06T23:47:38 < kakimir> is there such?
2016-09-06T23:47:43 < LeelooMinai> Right, this chip won't do that.
2016-09-06T23:48:13 < LeelooMinai> Possibly. Also, if you want to be cute, you can always use small CPLD/FPGA
2016-09-06T23:49:44 < kakimir> why
2016-09-06T23:49:52 < kakimir> I need just outbut extension
2016-09-06T23:49:55 < LeelooMinai> But, if you want to use discrete ICs like that, maybe you could add some kind of "8-bit latch" after the shift register.
2016-09-06T23:50:48 < LeelooMinai> You can google it, and problably those two ICs together would do what you want.
2016-09-06T23:51:07 < kakimir> :] *muhaahahaaa*
2016-09-06T23:51:18 < LeelooMinai> Or use this one: https://www.fairchildsemi.com/datasheets/MM/MM74HC595.pdf
2016-09-06T23:51:36 < kakimir> or that one
2016-09-06T23:52:43 < kakimir> why I have these in the first place..
2016-09-06T23:53:32 < LeelooMinai> Well, if something else will read the outputs of that shift registers, like a micro, you can decide when to read them, so latches are not needed.
2016-09-06T23:53:36 < LeelooMinai> Depends on the scenario.,
2016-09-06T23:54:47 < kakimir> I can't see such scenario that micro would read data converted to paraller
2016-09-06T23:54:58 < kakimir> wait
2016-09-06T23:55:08 < kakimir> read whole gpio block at once :|
2016-09-06T23:55:16 < kakimir> have mad speed
2016-09-06T23:55:27 < LeelooMinai> Why not - if it was not fast enough to serialize it itself.
2016-09-06T23:56:20 < LeelooMinai> Some kind of sad little 8-bit micro - which could happen at the time they started making those shift registers.
2016-09-06T23:56:40 < kakimir> must look to forward
2016-09-06T23:56:44 < kakimir> not backward
2016-09-06T23:56:45 < LeelooMinai> Nowadays, not so much.
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2016-09-07T00:07:20 < kakimir> *facebalm* I have almost 10eur worth of those
2016-09-07T00:07:41 < kakimir> better drive some leds some time
2016-09-07T00:09:21 < kakimir> I have schematic component now so it's half done
2016-09-07T00:10:20 < karlp> schweet proper out nakking is working
2016-09-07T00:11:40 < englishman> what is kakimir doing that could be done for less cost, lower bom and smaller pcb size with stm8
2016-09-07T00:12:10 < LeelooMinai> I don't know - retro digital electronics? :p
2016-09-07T00:12:31 < kakimir> englishman: what if I want to drive 80 led segments?
2016-09-07T00:12:47 < englishman> with 8bit shift register?
2016-09-07T00:12:59 < LeelooMinai> Then use led drivers + FPGA maybe.
2016-09-07T00:13:04 < kakimir> I happen to have 10 of them
2016-09-07T00:13:14 < englishman> theres your first mistake
2016-09-07T00:13:37 < LeelooMinai> Just because you have something does not mean you have to use it:)
2016-09-07T00:13:42 < kakimir> you don't output 80 x 20mA with fpga
2016-09-07T00:14:08 < LeelooMinai> That's what the drivers are for.
2016-09-07T00:14:08 < kakimir> it equals 1,6A
2016-09-07T00:14:14 < kakimir> I have drivers too
2016-09-07T00:14:25 < LeelooMinai> FPGA is for handling multiple digital signal outputs.
2016-09-07T00:14:30 < kakimir> with lot more of outbuts with 200mA handling per one
2016-09-07T00:14:45 < LeelooMinai> Also, wth are outbuts:)
2016-09-07T00:14:47 < kakimir> do you mean fets by drivers
2016-09-07T00:15:22 < karlp> hrm, succes with zmodem at 9600, but one path not working so well in rx.
2016-09-07T00:15:27 < karlp> masssive improvement though
2016-09-07T00:15:31 < LeelooMinai> FETs are just discrete transistors, but there are specialized ICs for driving LEDS, and they are called drivers.
2016-09-07T00:16:29 < kakimir> sure
2016-09-07T00:16:31 < LeelooMinai> Depends on what leds you are dealing with too - sometimes you can just drive them directly from FPGA (tiny leds)
2016-09-07T00:16:31 < kakimir> led drivers
2016-09-07T00:16:41 < kakimir> those usually have just 4 or so channels
2016-09-07T00:17:09 < LeelooMinai> Yes, well, I bet some have 8 and more - may be saner than using transistors.
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2016-09-07T00:17:26 < LeelooMinai> They may also have some pwm features, etc.
2016-09-07T00:17:31 < kakimir> you do not drive 1.6amperes total leds out of fpga or stm32
2016-09-07T00:17:58 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: I wrote "tiny leds"...
2016-09-07T00:18:13 < LeelooMinai> If you have big ones, you need something to drive them obviously.
2016-09-07T00:18:38 < LeelooMinai> but still, you could use FPGA to control bazillion leds as they tend to have lots of gpio (more than micros)
2016-09-07T00:19:26 < kakimir> I don't have tiny leds
2016-09-07T00:19:37 < kakimir> only 0603
2016-09-07T00:19:49 < kakimir> those are 20mA
2016-09-07T00:19:55 < LeelooMinai> 0603 are on the tiny side...
2016-09-07T00:20:11 < kakimir> but current is still standard
2016-09-07T00:20:16 < LeelooMinai> And they may be rated at 20mA, but nowadays you need 1/10th of that for them to have reasonable brightness
2016-09-07T00:20:27 < karlp> ice40 and some of them have actual pins dedicated to high power led driving...
2016-09-07T00:20:32 < kakimir> I usually drive them with 10mA
2016-09-07T00:20:33 < karlp> not 1.6 amps though, sure ;)
2016-09-07T00:20:36 < kakimir> or 15mA
2016-09-07T00:20:41 < LeelooMinai> I sometimes drive 0603 leds with 0.5mA...
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2016-09-07T00:21:16 < karlp> hrm, 57600, fine, 115200, fails.
2016-09-07T00:21:21 < karlp> curious and curious.
2016-09-07T00:21:26 < LeelooMinai> It depends on the kind - the "super bright" ones don't really need 10mA or more
2016-09-07T00:21:41 < kakimir> it's not really illuminating then LeelooMinai. just lit
2016-09-07T00:21:57 < kakimir> or readable in every condition
2016-09-07T00:22:10 < kakimir> *barelly lit
2016-09-07T00:22:27 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: I tested the brightness for my purposes - sure, there's some variance, but in general you would not drive them with 20mA - you get kind of diminishing returns at some value.
2016-09-07T00:22:27 < karlp> heh, sweet, zmodem actually got the transfer there, just at 160BPS
2016-09-07T00:23:21 < kakimir> what I try to do with my driver chip as it has half bridge per output
2016-09-07T00:23:34 < kakimir> is to add per led LC filter
2016-09-07T00:24:03 < kakimir> and do massive amount of step down driving with mcu
2016-09-07T00:24:49 < kakimir> I probably wont get to that phase of project ever
2016-09-07T00:24:52 < LeelooMinai> What do you mean "step down driving"?
2016-09-07T00:25:16 < kakimir> leave resistor out of circuit and replace with LC filter
2016-09-07T00:25:29 < kakimir> needs switching to maintain current
2016-09-07T00:25:42 < LeelooMinai> You mwan PWM?
2016-09-07T00:25:46 < LeelooMinai> mean*
2016-09-07T00:25:49 < kakimir> sure
2016-09-07T00:26:10 < kakimir> I don't think it's too hard with static load
2016-09-07T00:26:19 < LeelooMinai> Well, that's where FPGA would excell too - it could give you tens or hundreds of separate PWM channels.
2016-09-07T00:26:26 < kakimir> mcu running per led estimation of current
2016-09-07T00:27:03 < kakimir> there is no need to enter this project though
2016-09-07T00:27:11 < kakimir> luckily
2016-09-07T00:27:44 < kakimir> fpga would be better certainly
2016-09-07T00:28:22 < kakimir> but I have yet to find chip that contains X amount of fets
2016-09-07T00:28:43 < kakimir> not buffers but fets
2016-09-07T00:28:53 < kakimir> with common
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2016-09-07T00:29:41 < LeelooMinai> Meh, 16-channels ones are cheap and common: http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/stmicroelectronics/STP16CPC26TTR/497-11985-2-ND/2772229
2016-09-07T00:29:51 < LeelooMinai> There aare 32 channel ones and 48 too.
2016-09-07T00:30:32 < LeelooMinai> Just search the PMIC - LED Drivers category for what you need
2016-09-07T00:30:40 < kakimir> okay and what do I need fpga with that for?
2016-09-07T00:30:55 < kakimir> then it changes back to arm cortex
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2016-09-07T00:31:31 < LeelooMinai> You would use FPGA if you wanted to control separatelly lots of LEDs, maybe with PWN (or not). As I said - they can give you tons of fast indipendent GPIOs
2016-09-07T00:32:01 < LeelooMinai> Say if you were making a big LED display or, I don't know, building a planetarium:)
2016-09-07T00:32:02 < kakimir> and solder 100pcs of sot23 fets?
2016-09-07T00:32:12 < LeelooMinai> o_O
2016-09-07T00:32:25 < kakimir> this chip looks nice
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2016-09-07T00:32:33 < LeelooMinai> No... you would use those multi-channel drivers + GPIOs to actyually drive them...
2016-09-07T00:34:16 < kakimir> 100 of those
2016-09-07T00:36:07 < LeelooMinai> So 3 of those: http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/issi-integrated-silicon-solution-inc/IS31FL3236-QFLS2-TR/706-1434-1-ND/5423473
2016-09-07T00:36:23 < LeelooMinai> It works with I2C, so micro would do.
2016-09-07T00:37:25 < LeelooMinai> It has 36 independent PWM channels - pretty nice.
2016-09-07T00:41:05 < kakimir> how does those do current limiting?
2016-09-07T00:41:08 < kakimir> linear?
2016-09-07T00:41:34 < LeelooMinai> They PWM - that will limit the average current just by the pulse width
2016-09-07T00:42:31 < LeelooMinai> You have 256 steps for the pulse/current.
2016-09-07T00:42:32 < kakimir> sure but what limits peak current?
2016-09-07T00:42:51 < kakimir> is it safe to pulse led with 5.5v directly
2016-09-07T00:42:56 < kakimir> + switch resistance
2016-09-07T00:43:37 < LeelooMinai> Each channel is 38mA max and you can set the limit with external resistor I think, then you just use 0-256 values.
2016-09-07T00:43:47 < kakimir> sure sure
2016-09-07T00:43:47 < LeelooMinai> 0-255 even:p
2016-09-07T00:43:59 < kakimir> but how does it do that limiting
2016-09-07T00:44:16 < Laurenceb__> i2c, not even once
2016-09-07T00:44:50 < LeelooMinai> They use external resitor, so I presume the limit is set by analog circuit inside - some kind of current source.
2016-09-07T00:45:09 < LeelooMinai> Then PWM just pulses this value.
2016-09-07T00:46:16 < LeelooMinai> Or maybe PWM just switches the voltage on/off and the limit is some kind of shut-down safatey circuit that gets turned on when the current is exceeded - I don't know, would require more reading.
2016-09-07T00:47:07 < kakimir> but it doesn't change it from just pulsing it
2016-09-07T00:47:43 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Do you know how PWM works?
2016-09-07T00:48:23 < kakimir> i'm not talking about pwm but pulsing generally
2016-09-07T00:48:47 < LeelooMinai> Well, that's what PWM is - poulsing with constant voltage...
2016-09-07T00:48:54 < LeelooMinai> pulsing*
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2016-09-07T00:49:32 < LeelooMinai> You manipulate the duty cycle to control the average current going through the led, so there.
2016-09-07T00:49:50 < LeelooMinai> No current control otherwise necessary - that's the point.
2016-09-07T00:50:30 < LeelooMinai> There are constant-current drivers too.
2016-09-07T00:50:59 < kakimir> isn't this one?
2016-09-07T00:51:07 < LeelooMinai> No, this is PWM driver.
2016-09-07T00:51:33 < kakimir> you exhaust me
2016-09-07T00:51:38 < Laurenceb__> what about a PWM conductor?
2016-09-07T00:51:46 < Laurenceb__> that has a problem
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2016-09-07T01:27:45 < Laurenceb__> found flyback
2016-09-07T01:27:46 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjgDoaw65ck&feature=youtu.be
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2016-09-07T02:00:33 < ReadError> https://github.com/betaflight/betaflight/pull/1124
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2016-09-07T02:21:36 < englishman> lol ReadError
2016-09-07T02:21:49 < Laurenceb__> I dont see the funny
2016-09-07T02:22:01 < ReadErr> Laurenceb__: the funny is they can even use the full f4
2016-09-07T02:22:05 < ReadErr> or f3
2016-09-07T02:22:13 < englishman> Laurenceb__: this is a port of multiwii, originally for 328p with added ws2812b functionality
2016-09-07T02:22:16 < englishman> F7 totes needed
2016-09-07T02:22:25 < Laurenceb__> ah
2016-09-07T02:22:25 < ReadErr> can=cant
2016-09-07T02:22:58 < Laurenceb__> someone was buzzing me with a quadcopter today
2016-09-07T02:23:01 < Laurenceb__> looked like fpv
2016-09-07T02:23:06 < Laurenceb__> pervert
2016-09-07T02:23:32 < Laurenceb__> I mean all I was doing was lying in my garden fapping
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2016-09-07T03:04:01 < Laurenceb__> stm32 development with TempleOS, can it be done?
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2016-09-07T03:17:41 < LeelooMinai> From those videos seems that if you are on a mission from God, everything can be done.
2016-09-07T03:22:28 < Laurenceb__> but god will warn you, especially if you are Elon Musk
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2016-09-07T03:22:51 < Laurenceb__> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Amos+6
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2016-09-07T03:27:14 < Laurenceb__> https://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference2016
2016-09-07T03:27:33 < Laurenceb__> attendees welcome (time to bump up the numbers)
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2016-09-07T03:37:23 < englishman> Laurenceb__: when is the em:drive spacelaunch
2016-09-07T03:38:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32
2016-09-07T03:40:04 < Laurenceb__> supposedly quite soon
2016-09-07T03:40:16 < Laurenceb__> cannae are supposed to be launching
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2016-09-07T03:41:47 < Laurenceb__> I mean "Theseus Space Inc"
2016-09-07T03:42:17 < upgrdman>  "TheAnus Space Inc"
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2016-09-07T03:53:57 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/GreenMisguidedArmednylonshrimp
2016-09-07T03:56:30 < upgrdman> http://www.isthatlegit.com/calgary-man-loses-testicles-while-trying-to-fill-scuba-tank-with-weed-smoke/
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2016-09-07T06:05:39 < Lux> ReadErr: heh
2016-09-07T06:06:00 < Lux> f7 madness
2016-09-07T06:06:18 < Lux> 8 khz kalman filter incoming :P
2016-09-07T06:07:41 < dongs> meanwhile DJI has been hovering in a single spot on 100MHz cortex-M3 LPC
2016-09-07T06:07:51 < dongs> just beacuse you throw more dumb at it, doens't mean its going to work.
2016-09-07T06:08:04 < dongs> ditto with autoquad on F4/168MHz liek 4-5 years ago
2016-09-07T06:08:37 < Lux> autoquad is dead now
2016-09-07T06:09:03 < dongs> SAMA5 is 600MHz
2016-09-07T06:09:29 < Lux> but that's embedded linux stuff
2016-09-07T06:09:33 < dongs> no it snot
2016-09-07T06:09:37 < Lux> cortex A5 ?
2016-09-07T06:09:51 < dongs> it works perfectly fine baremetal, tehre's tons of code in atmel library for hardware bringup
2016-09-07T06:10:33 < Lux> ok, I wonder where that actually makes sense
2016-09-07T06:10:35 < dongs> http://www.atmel.com/tools/SAMA5D3SOFTWAREPACKAGE.aspx?tab=related
2016-09-07T06:10:42 < dongs> IN YOUR FUCKING DUMB APPLICATION
2016-09-07T06:10:57 < Lux> :P
2016-09-07T06:10:57 < dongs> where you're stucking F7 with like 5% DMIPS/MHZ increase for no fucking reason
2016-09-07T06:11:54 < Lux> I'd just imagine you have networking stuff etc then and doing that bare metal is kinda dumb
2016-09-07T06:12:13 < dongs> yes because F7 has no ethernet mac either
2016-09-07T06:12:18 < dongs> totally makes no sense!!111
2016-09-07T06:12:21 < dongs> because lwip doesnt exist
2016-09-07T06:13:07 < dongs> 462 DMIPS at 216 MHz fCPU. SAMA5D31: 850DMIPS
2016-09-07T06:13:11 < upgrdman> hmm. chinagirl is asking me to review more china stuff
2016-09-07T06:13:31 < upgrdman> cant think of anything they have that i wanna fuck with, other thna maybe their hexapod
2016-09-07T06:13:33 < dongs> F4:  225 DMIPS
2016-09-07T06:13:43 < dongs> haev you actully timed your shitty code to determine if CPU is the bottleneck?
2016-09-07T06:13:48 < dongs> maybe not compiling with GCC would be a better start
2016-09-07T06:15:42 < Lux> I have no issues with performance
2016-09-07T06:15:55 < Lux> but ya i get where you are going
2016-09-07T06:18:04 < englishman> attiny can bitbang ethernet. nobody needs more than 16MHz
2016-09-07T06:29:06 < emeb_mac> "issues with performance" heh
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2016-09-07T06:59:47 < dongs> when did TE buy MEAS-SPEC
2016-09-07T07:00:04 < dongs> looks liek 2 years ago
2016-09-07T07:00:04 < dongs> k
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2016-09-07T09:56:45 < dongs> jadew: vscode can't even intellisense my typical STM32 project
2016-09-07T09:57:11 < dongs> jadew: GPIO_InitTypeDef fgt; i type fgt. and it shows a million completes but not the ones I need.
2016-09-07T09:58:42 < dongs> oh fuck auto-insertion of closing braces
2016-09-07T09:59:33 < dongs> teh fuck
2016-09-07T09:59:36 < dongs> this is not configurable?
2016-09-07T10:03:51 < dongs> k RIP vscode once again
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2016-09-07T10:04:07 < dongs> apaprently it doesnt even have a configure diaqlog
2016-09-07T10:12:07 < dongs> https://opensource.microsoft.com/codeofconduct/
2016-09-07T10:12:12 < dongs> Be welcoming: Our communities welcome and support people of all backgrounds and identities. This includes, but is not limited to members of any race, ethnicity, culture, national origin, color, immigration status, social and economic class, educational level, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and expression, age, size, family status, political belief, religion, and mental and physical ability.
2016-09-07T10:19:02 < dongs> https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/11617
2016-09-07T10:20:49 < jpa-> > implies that races exist
2016-09-07T10:20:55 < jpa-> *triggered*
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2016-09-07T10:59:55 < jadew> dongs, yeah, I gave up on it too
2016-09-07T11:00:04 < jadew> it's missing a lot of configuration options
2016-09-07T11:00:51 < jpa-> edit the code?
2016-09-07T11:01:14 < jadew> jpa-, I considered it, but meh...
2016-09-07T11:01:40 < jadew> I'll let other people do it
2016-09-07T11:01:58 < jadew> I'll reconsider it in a year or so
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2016-09-07T11:11:10 < Steffann> Dongs stop autism. Dont freak out when stuff doesn't work as you are used to.
2016-09-07T11:12:25 < jadew> dongs, btw, the auto bracket thing is ok since it's properly implemented
2016-09-07T11:12:33 < jadew> in atom it inserts brackets even when it shouldn't
2016-09-07T11:12:47 < jadew> for example if you say whatever( <- bracket insertion is fine.
2016-09-07T11:13:11 < jadew> but if you type ( whate<here>ver
2016-09-07T11:13:20 < jadew> it shouldn't insert it, because it has other stuff after it
2016-09-07T11:13:32 < jadew> in atom it doesn that anyway and it leads to amazing grief
2016-09-07T11:13:37 < jadew> and worst of all, I can't turn it off
2016-09-07T11:14:23 < jadew> well, you can, but that disables other useful features
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2016-09-07T11:16:08 < Steffann> I like auto-stuff. But probably because im uses to it. Autism4life.
2016-09-07T11:16:19 < jadew> yeah, I like it too, but when it's done right
2016-09-07T11:16:54 < jadew> what bothers me most about both atom and vs code is that they don't indent properly based on scope
2016-09-07T11:17:35 < jadew> I end have to hit tab after each if statement
2016-09-07T11:17:44 < jadew> and backspace after I'm done with that statement
2016-09-07T11:17:55 < jadew> if (whatever)<enter>
2016-09-07T11:18:01 < jadew> |< you end up here
2016-09-07T11:18:30 < jadew> <tab>single line statement after the if;<enter>
2016-09-07T11:18:36 < jadew> <tab>|< you end up here
2016-09-07T11:18:39 < jadew> it's silly
2016-09-07T11:20:14 < celeron55> the most annoying thing is when you can't turn parts of the auto stuff on and off but instead have to choose between "basically notepad.exe" and "way too much"
2016-09-07T11:20:30 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-07T11:20:54 < Steffann> Better buy vi.
2016-09-07T11:25:49 < jadew> you know what, I'm gonna look into ways of stripping VS down so I can use it as a simple editor
2016-09-07T11:26:49 < jadew> anyway, got to go, ttyl
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2016-09-07T11:46:22 < dongs> jadew, i dont want any garbage auto-inserting bracakets for me
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2016-09-07T12:50:20 < Steffann> Jadew,  i think sublime text does the indent like you want it to be :)
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2016-09-07T13:23:31 < mervaka> hmm
2016-09-07T13:24:20 < mervaka> is there a way in Keil to step through assembly opcodes that are running on a target, but I only have the hex for?
2016-09-07T13:25:28 < jpa-> disassemble it first?
2016-09-07T13:29:54 < mervaka> ah, looks like i need the load command
2016-09-07T13:30:02 < mervaka> to load the hex into the debugger
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2016-09-07T14:04:17 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/vb1kNVb.jpg anyone want some dirt-cheap STM32s
2016-09-07T14:07:38 < Sync> nice
2016-09-07T14:08:46 < kakimir> you buy 100? need 10?
2016-09-07T14:09:46 < kakimir> does it has ethernets?
2016-09-07T14:10:47 < dongs> no its the cheapest trash in f4 series
2016-09-07T14:10:50 < dongs> it  has literally nothing
2016-09-07T14:13:40 < kakimir> trash shit
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2016-09-07T14:29:43 < Steffann> Shiet kakimir ;)
2016-09-07T14:31:39 < BrainDamage> i hope at least they have an apple logo laser etched on
2016-09-07T14:39:43 < zyp> wat
2016-09-07T14:45:12 < karlp> to justify the price premium is the joke I believe?
2016-09-07T14:47:18 < kakimir> I have used p-mosfet high side switching of 3v3 rail to auxiliary device on my design
2016-09-07T14:47:23 < kakimir> have I failed?
2016-09-07T14:48:16 < kakimir> I have understood that p-mosfet must be avoided at least in mass production because price n shiet
2016-09-07T14:48:27 < karlp> wat?
2016-09-07T14:48:42 < karlp> if you're looking at saving tiny fractions.   how many devices are you going to make?
2016-09-07T14:48:53 < kakimir> I don't know
2016-09-07T14:48:56 < karlp> will you have time to redesign for those sorts of minor concerns before you make 10million?
2016-09-07T14:49:01 < kakimir> sure
2016-09-07T14:49:02 < karlp> then pfet is fine!
2016-09-07T14:49:13 < BrainDamage> yes, to justify the crazy ass price
2016-09-07T14:49:47 < BrainDamage> also, how large a fraction is the pfet of the total board
2016-09-07T14:49:53 < BrainDamage> in terms of cost
2016-09-07T14:49:57 < kakimir> 1 sot23
2016-09-07T14:50:09 < kakimir> not much
2016-09-07T14:50:34 < kakimir> guise I didn't get your opinion about having ntc up or low side of divider?
2016-09-07T14:52:56 < dongs> kakimir: how much mA does your device need
2016-09-07T14:53:34 < kakimir> like under 100mA
2016-09-07T14:55:21 < kakimir> mux with pots
2016-09-07T14:55:27 < kakimir> n'shiet
2016-09-07T14:58:15 < kakimir> what options do I have?
2016-09-07T14:58:21 < kakimir> do low side switching?
2016-09-07T14:58:29 < kakimir> have seperate GND
2016-09-07T14:59:03 < kakimir> how do upper side switches work inside mcus?
2016-09-07T14:59:08 < kakimir> those are pmos?
2016-09-07T14:59:25 < kakimir> I have not yet seen charge pumps with mcu
2016-09-07T15:00:36 < jpa-> pickits use pic-controlled cap pump to generate the +13V
2016-09-07T15:01:19 < jpa-> and CMOS always uses both n- and p-fets
2016-09-07T15:01:30 < kakimir> oh
2016-09-07T15:02:19 < jpa-> but yeah, p-fet is fine for what you are describing
2016-09-07T15:02:38 < jpa-> you'll notice when the p-fet starts to cost too much, don't worry before that
2016-09-07T15:03:38 < kakimir> okay what side you preffer for NTC in divider jpa- ?
2016-09-07T15:03:42 < kakimir> upper or lower
2016-09-07T15:04:33 < jpa-> eh
2016-09-07T15:04:58 < jpa-> why would it matter?
2016-09-07T15:06:08 < kakimir> I don't know
2016-09-07T15:06:12 < kakimir> that's why I ask
2016-09-07T15:10:26 < kakimir> I but it upper side because non-inverted temperature response
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2016-09-07T15:11:44 < jpa-> just remember the cap
2016-09-07T15:12:43 < kakimir> sure
2016-09-07T15:12:53 < kakimir> it's not necessary you know
2016-09-07T15:12:58 < kakimir> but good to have
2016-09-07T15:13:18 < jpa-> and stupid not to have
2016-09-07T15:13:31 < kakimir> true
2016-09-07T15:13:46  * kakimir adds a cap
2016-09-07T15:14:58 < kakimir> 100n should be rite?
2016-09-07T15:15:04 < jpa-> yep
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2016-09-07T15:39:54 < englishman> new slack competitor http://tristancalderbank.com/2016/09/06/excel-messenger-a-terrible-experiment-in-vba/
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2016-09-07T16:19:40 < stvn> tectu for president
2016-09-07T16:22:31 < kakimir> solid plan
2016-09-07T16:23:05 < stvn> governor kakimir
2016-09-07T16:24:58 < stvn> how are they?
2016-09-07T16:27:16 < kakimir> LEDs?
2016-09-07T16:28:39 < kakimir> I'm good
2016-09-07T16:28:54 < stvn> hmm
2016-09-07T16:30:18 < kakimir> doing furious kikecading
2016-09-07T16:30:29 < stvn> what are you kicading?
2016-09-07T16:30:51 < kakimir> general purpose SSR board with LPC1111
2016-09-07T16:30:58 < kakimir> 4 out board SSRs
2016-09-07T16:31:02 < kakimir> 2 external connections
2016-09-07T16:31:14 < kakimir> 5pots and 3 analog inputs
2016-09-07T16:31:26 < kakimir> 8 digital outs and 8 digital ins
2016-09-07T16:31:41 < stvn> any isolated?
2016-09-07T16:31:43 < kakimir> uart connector, i2c connector and maybe spi
2016-09-07T16:31:46 < kakimir> none
2016-09-07T16:31:56 < stvn> cool
2016-09-07T16:32:16 < kakimir> thanks for reminding I need mains sniffing to this
2016-09-07T16:32:24 < kakimir> I don't know what for
2016-09-07T16:32:30 < kakimir> but better have
2016-09-07T16:32:50 < stvn> you could win the grand hackaday prize alone for that effort
2016-09-07T16:34:00 < Steffann> stvn are you tectu's new girlfriend?
2016-09-07T16:34:18 < stvn> hii
2016-09-07T16:35:08 < kakimir> how to do isolated mains sniffing?
2016-09-07T16:35:16 < kakimir> cost effectivelly
2016-09-07T16:35:23 < stvn> they wont grant me gender reassignment surgery in australia because i don't have a tumblr account Steffann
2016-09-07T16:35:27 < kakimir> cap divider?
2016-09-07T16:35:42 < kakimir> not totally isolated then
2016-09-07T16:38:00 < stvn> sniffing
2016-09-07T16:39:07 < kakimir> sniffs ass
2016-09-07T16:39:13 < stvn> ok
2016-09-07T16:39:40 < kakimir> I need laurenceb to save my jokes
2016-09-07T16:39:46 < stvn> what are you trying to sniff
2016-09-07T16:40:08 < kakimir> I'm trying to if anything to detect zeropoints
2016-09-07T16:40:17 < kakimir> or even whole sinewave
2016-09-07T16:40:23 < stvn> k
2016-09-07T16:40:26 < kakimir> why not
2016-09-07T16:40:37 < kakimir> one pin will be used anyways
2016-09-07T16:40:44 < stvn> mmmm
2016-09-07T16:41:07 < stvn> zero crossing detector optoisolated should be easy
2016-09-07T16:41:32 < BrainDamage> are you driving a triac?
2016-09-07T16:41:44 < kakimir> potentially
2016-09-07T16:41:53 < kakimir> these SSRs have zeropoint
2016-09-07T16:41:58 < kakimir> but there are ones without
2016-09-07T16:42:21 < kakimir> I can leave this feature out if I run out of pins
2016-09-07T16:43:01 < kakimir> I think I have like.. 2left
2016-09-07T16:50:54 < kakimir> recommend bluetooth rs232 adapter
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2016-09-07T17:12:29 < jadew> lol @ a new feature in the mate DE
2016-09-07T17:12:42 < jadew> the scrollbars fade out when you don't use them and back in when you do
2016-09-07T17:12:56 < jadew> but when they do fade in, they cover the actual data from the window
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2016-09-07T17:13:36 < jadew> in the list control, in synaptic, I can't see the bottom item when the horizontal scrollbar appears
2016-09-07T17:15:36 < BrainDamage> you're holding it wrong :J
2016-09-07T17:15:38 < jadew> http://imgur.com/a/GLSFH
2016-09-07T17:16:06 < jadew> notice how the vertical scrollbar is bottomed out
2016-09-07T17:16:30 < BrainDamage> it's a "feature" from gtk3 to my knowledge
2016-09-07T17:16:39 < jadew> and I just noticed, the right button on the horizontal one is UNDER the vertical one
2016-09-07T17:16:39 < jadew> lol
2016-09-07T17:16:44 < BrainDamage> it was meant to be used with thin scrollbars, but it's retarded itfp
2016-09-07T17:18:09 < jadew> you really have to wonder how something like this can break like that
2016-09-07T17:18:29 < jadew> and most importantly, why did it make it out?
2016-09-07T17:19:22 < karlp> jadew: that scroll thing is really common these days, and yeah, it's fucking dumb
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2016-09-07T17:20:44 < karlp> in rhythmbox, it makes it almost impossible to give a song a 5 star rating, as the scroll bar pops up as you get near the fifth star
2016-09-07T17:25:19 < jadew> that's what you get when you have all sorts of developers with no supervision
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2016-09-07T17:39:15 < karlp> not really sure what should happen, the goal was to get more screen space more of the time.
2016-09-07T17:39:31 < karlp> and you don't want ocntent in the window to jump when you bring the bars out
2016-09-07T17:39:44 < karlp> sure, the current situation is kinda silly though
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2016-09-07T17:51:08 < Laurenceb> http://s2.b3ta.com/host/creative/96075/1473178041/thumb.dtposter1.jpg
2016-09-07T17:54:57 < Laurenceb> http://www.sickandwrongpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/fat20goth.jpg
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2016-09-07T18:15:04 < englishman> Laurenceb: when will horse telemetry be launched into space
2016-09-07T18:15:46 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-09-07T18:19:05 < Laurenceb> http://2new2.fjcdn.com/pictures/Impressionable+children+bril+green+big4+see+more+comics+visit+big4+bril+green+big4+http+redpanelscom+big4_bc467f_6022640.jpg
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2016-09-07T18:20:31 < jadew> karlp, yeah, that sort of design choice should be left with the guy making the application
2016-09-07T18:21:16 < kakimir> Laurenceb is a furry?
2016-09-07T18:21:44 < Laurenceb> wtf hell no
2016-09-07T18:21:57 < englishman> scrollbars take up SO MUCH space omfg
2016-09-07T18:22:00 < kakimir> have to be sure you know
2016-09-07T18:22:01 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: the not-funny-humour is actually a real reflection of reality ( sorry for buzzfeed link, first hit in search ) http://www.buzzfeed.com/katienotopoulos/proof-disney-is-actually-marketing-zootopia-to-furries#.rspyQy5Aj
2016-09-07T18:22:31 < Laurenceb> wow
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2016-09-07T18:42:40 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.6045561,-3.1422859,18z
2016-09-07T18:42:46 < Laurenceb> interesting businesses there
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2016-09-07T19:39:26 < Rob235> ahoy
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2016-09-07T19:56:27 < karlp> http://www.edn-europe.com/news/arm-acquisition-completed-ceos-comment-future-plans?news_id=85702 claims arm cores are 40million/day? that seems rather high.
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2016-09-07T19:58:58 < jadew> maybe in the shipping days :P
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2016-09-07T20:14:16 < Rob235> pid tuning in a field later
2016-09-07T20:14:34 < Rob235> lets hope I don't have a repeat of first field test
2016-09-07T20:15:10 < karlp> 99% of crashing...
2016-09-07T20:15:29 < Rob235> ?
2016-09-07T20:19:41 < Rob235> 99% of the time?
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2016-09-07T20:31:04 < englishman> karlp: 15 billion arm chips a year
2016-09-07T20:31:04 < englishman> hmm
2016-09-07T20:31:14 < englishman> maybe they count
2016-09-07T20:31:23 < englishman> shipping from tsmc to packager
2016-09-07T20:31:28 < englishman> shipping from packager to wholesaler
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2016-09-07T20:31:37 < englishman> shipping from wholesaler to sales unit
2016-09-07T20:31:44 < englishman> shipping from sales unit to retailer
2016-09-07T20:31:48 < englishman> shipping from retailer to forwarder
2016-09-07T20:31:53 < englishman> shipping from forwarder to courier
2016-09-07T20:31:59 < englishman> shipping from courier to customs broker
2016-09-07T20:32:00 < englishman> etc.
2016-09-07T20:32:08 < jadew> or maybe we export them
2016-09-07T20:47:53 < brianx> 40m a day seems close.  my ownership of arm cores is several times my 1 9billionth of that.
2016-09-07T20:50:36 < brianx> that's less than 2 cores per person per year.  seems like cell phones alone would account for more cores than that.
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2016-09-07T21:10:21 < karlp> brianx: hrm, I guess.  thanks for pointing out how little maths I bothered to do.
2016-09-07T21:11:27 < brianx> it was an interesting stat.  wasn't that long ago that 15 billion transistors a year was world production.
2016-09-07T21:12:48 < Laurenceb> http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/55979/1229609357/FawltyTowers.jpg
2016-09-07T21:18:39 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=937_1473270191
2016-09-07T21:18:51 < Laurenceb> no homo
2016-09-07T21:19:18 < Rob235> I'm going to fly, my oh my, what's that in the sky? that's not mine. Where's mine you pry? I won't lie, Although I might cry because on the ground mine lie, unable to fly... sigh
2016-09-07T21:20:10 < Steffanx> Robby X.
2016-09-07T21:20:17 < Rob235> whats up
2016-09-07T21:20:24 < Steffanx> You were not rappig?
2016-09-07T21:20:31 < Steffanx> *rapping
2016-09-07T21:20:34 < Rob235> I was
2016-09-07T21:20:40 < Rob235> somewhat
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2016-09-07T21:23:44 < Rob235> funkmaster rob
2016-09-07T21:25:52 < Steffanx> I prefer Robby X.
2016-09-07T21:25:55 < Rob235> ok
2016-09-07T21:26:04 < Rob235> how much spacing do you need between blades?
2016-09-07T21:26:15 < Rob235> I think these 13" are too big :(
2016-09-07T21:27:08 < Rob235> Although I think I have a little room to slide the motor mounts down the arm like a cm which should help a bit
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2016-09-07T21:32:53 < Rob235> I got some new useless feet for the guy, I was hoping they were going to be thicker to test with: http://imgur.com/VqiwKYN
2016-09-07T21:33:14 < Rob235> at least it follows the red/black theme
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2016-09-07T21:47:29 < Rob235> is 1cm from prop tip to tip at its closest point ok?
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2016-09-07T22:16:13 < Laurenceb> better than <1mm
2016-09-07T22:16:16 < Laurenceb>  /zano
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2016-09-07T22:39:07 < Rob235> :)
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2016-09-07T22:57:41 < kakimir> movie recommends guise
2016-09-07T23:00:01 < Steffanx> Series recommend too?
2016-09-07T23:01:18 < Steffanx> The Angry Birds Movie
2016-09-07T23:01:19 < kakimir> no
2016-09-07T23:01:29 < Steffanx> or series: Stranger Things.
2016-09-07T23:01:52 < LeelooMinai> Dark Matter is sci-fi fun
2016-09-07T23:01:55 < Rob235> ok, packing up to go out testing, wish me luck guys
2016-09-07T23:02:03 < englishman> have fun
2016-09-07T23:02:15 < kakimir> I need not that serious sci-fi kindof thing
2016-09-07T23:02:33 < LeelooMinai> It's more like Firefly
2016-09-07T23:02:44 < kakimir> there is only one series of firefly
2016-09-07T23:02:49 < kakimir> *season
2016-09-07T23:03:04 < kakimir> and I do not rewatch stuff
2016-09-07T23:03:06 < LeelooMinai> I am saying that Dark Matter is like it
2016-09-07T23:03:18 < Steffanx> Im still not srue what to think about Dark Matter
2016-09-07T23:03:29 < Steffanx> Sometimes its good, but sometimes it's also weirdly fast.
2016-09-07T23:03:53 < kakimir> dis isn't a movie?
2016-09-07T23:04:01 < Steffanx> series.
2016-09-07T23:04:03 < englishman> arent all finns required to watch the angry birds movie
2016-09-07T23:04:07 < Steffanx> yes
2016-09-07T23:04:14 < englishman> as its to finland as abba was to sweden
2016-09-07T23:04:16 < Steffanx> it wasnt too bad imho
2016-09-07T23:04:36 < LeelooMinai> The Expanse is good too - bit more serious than Dark Matter
2016-09-07T23:04:47 < kakimir> englishman: not sure
2016-09-07T23:05:22 < LeelooMinai> There's also Colony
2016-09-07T23:05:35 < kakimir> I can't watch dark matter
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2016-09-07T23:05:51 < Steffanx> or go for a laugh and watch the Jimmy Carr Funny Business netflix show kakimir
2016-09-07T23:05:58 < Steffanx> it's Laurenceb but actually funny :)
2016-09-07T23:05:59 < kakimir> 1) series 2) looks like a copy of firefly
2016-09-07T23:06:01 < LeelooMinai> Or Glee:p
2016-09-07T23:06:06 < englishman> hardcore henry
2016-09-07T23:06:11 < englishman> film of the year
2016-09-07T23:06:14 < Steffanx> hardcore hendry. lol no
2016-09-07T23:06:16 < englishman> yes
2016-09-07T23:06:17 < kakimir> I don't watch jimmy carry anymore
2016-09-07T23:06:21 < Steffanx> fps style is weird
2016-09-07T23:06:27 < Steffanx> WHY NOT kakimir
2016-09-07T23:06:37 < englishman> its the same guy that did that fps music video a few years ago
2016-09-07T23:06:40 < Steffanx> did he insult the finnishers?
2016-09-07T23:06:56 < kakimir> no
2016-09-07T23:07:04 < Steffanx> and the same guy from district 9 and whatever more
2016-09-07T23:07:14 < englishman> no?
2016-09-07T23:07:15 < Steffanx> at least that plays in it too
2016-09-07T23:07:18 < englishman> oh maybe
2016-09-07T23:07:24 < Steffanx> not just maybe.
2016-09-07T23:07:43 < LeelooMinai> The Man in the High Castle is also good - it's in an alternate timeline where Nazis won the war and America is divided between them and Japan
2016-09-07T23:07:46 < Steffanx> so why not kakimir?
2016-09-07T23:07:52 < englishman> are you talking about jimmy car or hardcore henry
2016-09-07T23:08:26 < englishman> OH him
2016-09-07T23:08:26 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: is it out already?
2016-09-07T23:08:31 < englishman> chappie! you could watch chappie
2016-09-07T23:08:41 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I watched the first season
2016-09-07T23:08:48 < englishman> i started watching the man in the high castle and couldnt finish
2016-09-07T23:08:51 < englishman> book was good tho
2016-09-07T23:09:05 < englishman> too much gratuitious cgi ruins it for me
2016-09-07T23:09:45 < kakimir> I have way too much to do to begin a series
2016-09-07T23:10:00 < LeelooMinai> Ok, than non sci-fi - Vikings maybe, Black Sails is also fun, Better Call Saul is hilarious
2016-09-07T23:12:35 < kakimir> I wonder how long until iron sky 2
2016-09-07T23:12:42 < englishman> yes
2016-09-07T23:12:47 < englishman> mad max - 2015
2016-09-07T23:12:52 < englishman> hardcore henry - 2016
2016-09-07T23:12:55 < englishman> iron sky 2 - 2017
2016-09-07T23:13:02 < englishman> kung fury 2 - 2018
2016-09-07T23:13:04 < LeelooMinai> Pee Wee Herman - 2-18
2016-09-07T23:13:09 < englishman> films of the year 2015-2018
2016-09-07T23:14:45 < kakimir> iron sky 2 delayed?
2016-09-07T23:15:16 < englishman> a film so good they had to give it its own year to make it film of that year
2016-09-07T23:16:18 < aandrew> oh god what a shitty movie
2016-09-07T23:17:19 < kakimir> iron sky 1 was meh
2016-09-07T23:25:52 < kakimir> couldn understand how they got it so boring
2016-09-07T23:26:07 < kakimir> because I enjoyed star wreck
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2016-09-07T23:28:21 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHAPXlVq5lk if you haven't seen it
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2016-09-07T23:38:51 < Steffanx> kakimir, Stranger Things is only 8(or 9) episodes
2016-09-07T23:39:02 < Steffanx> so the time argument is not valid
2016-09-07T23:39:17 < Steffanx> you could have watched an entire episode in the  time you spend looking for a movie.
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2016-09-07T23:46:08 < BrainDamage> how about comparing to the time spent autisming on irc instead
2016-09-07T23:47:36 < Steffann> Sure. But. Meh.
2016-09-07T23:48:02 < Steffann> Thats some issue we all have right?
2016-09-07T23:48:36 < LeelooMinai> It's only an issue if it's an issue:p
2016-09-07T23:48:58 < Steffann> Even the pro. lurkers
2016-09-07T23:49:14 < kakimir> autism on irc is when you are too lazy to do anything or have few hours to spend because not enought time to spend on anything else
2016-09-07T23:49:19 < Steffann> :D
2016-09-07T23:49:28 < kakimir> to begin a project or so takes like.. 2 days
2016-09-07T23:49:58 < Steffann> To begin or not to begin?
2016-09-07T23:50:17 < LeelooMinai> And then it takes 5 days
2016-09-07T23:50:17 < kakimir> first it's fun
2016-09-07T23:50:18 < Steffann> Its easy to begin one. To finish it is harder
2016-09-07T23:52:23 < Steffann> Anyway. What movie it is kakimir ?
2016-09-07T23:52:46 < kakimir> my choise for the night?
2016-09-07T23:52:57 < Steffann> Yes?
2016-09-07T23:54:29 < kakimir> not yet anything
2016-09-07T23:54:35 < kakimir> I wont begin a series
2016-09-07T23:54:56 < Steffann> :D
2016-09-07T23:55:52 < LeelooMinai> Procrastinatus Maxiumus
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2016-09-07T23:56:59 < kakimir> I moved back to drawing a schematic
2016-09-07T23:58:03 < Steffanx> How many smas and vias?
2016-09-07T23:58:22 < kakimir> 0 smas
2016-09-07T23:58:27 < kakimir> vias.. do not know
2016-09-07T23:58:43 < kakimir> I plan to make fast layout progress
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2016-09-08T00:02:57 < kakimir> ordered smas but only 10
2016-09-08T00:03:04 < kakimir> pcb edge model
2016-09-08T00:18:49 < kakimir> for current probe thing
2016-09-08T00:24:40 < kakimir> anyone want to check my current design after I'm done?
2016-09-08T00:25:30 < karlp> englishman: hardcore henry was apalling. I watched it on your recommendation!
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2016-09-08T00:28:46 < Steffann> Heh
2016-09-08T00:29:43 < karlp> autism tonight, think maybe tv is a good idea tonight
2016-09-08T00:33:32 < englishman> karlp: i'm glad to hear you enjoyed it
2016-09-08T00:39:09 < kakimir> too late.. it's contagious
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2016-09-08T00:55:13 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qheEExMBmrA
2016-09-08T00:57:41 < kakimir> it will stay in air for 5years
2016-09-08T00:57:53 < kakimir> probably cells wear out or so
2016-09-08T00:58:06 < kakimir> motor bearings
2016-09-08T00:58:18 < kakimir> or dirt forming on surface
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2016-09-08T01:34:49 < Rob235> failure!
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2016-09-08T01:56:30 < Rob235> I think I still have PID gains too low...
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2016-09-08T01:58:23 < BrainDamage> pretty sure the internet has plenty of advice how to increase your gainz
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2016-09-08T01:59:07 < Rob235> I'm just gonna double mine and see what happens :)
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2016-09-08T02:01:21 < emeb> "change until good"
2016-09-08T02:05:44 < Rob235> carbon fiber are so much better too, you dont have to replace a prop after EVERY attempt
2016-09-08T02:11:19 < englishman> wheres the video
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2016-09-08T02:22:23 < Rob235> i'll upload em later
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2016-09-08T02:23:26 < englishman> yay
2016-09-08T02:23:48 < Rob235> ugh, forgot to tell the gf to use landscape
2016-09-08T02:25:05 < aadamson> single claim to fame today... :)... put __WFI() call in my do nothing loop and lowered the current used by 50%... wonder why I never thought about that prior... duh
2016-09-08T02:26:33 < LeelooMinai> If your main thread does nothing that works, sans some delay where the micro has to wake up.
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2016-09-08T02:27:02 < LeelooMinai> Forgot the details, but it takes a while for it to exit sleep/stop modes.
2016-09-08T02:27:27 < Laurenceb__> lulz
2016-09-08T02:27:44 < Laurenceb__> just got emailed by a guy who wants to make an aspergers meter
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2016-09-08T02:28:16 < LeelooMinai> Check the number of IRC logins per day?
2016-09-08T02:28:21 < Laurenceb__> remote autism sensing
2016-09-08T02:28:29 < Laurenceb__> using LAZARZ
2016-09-08T02:28:46 < Laurenceb__> and face detection
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2016-09-08T02:29:09 < LeelooMinai> Right, that will work...
2016-09-08T02:29:10 < Laurenceb__> to sense for activation of the frontal lobe
2016-09-08T02:30:03 < aadamson> LeelooMinai, don't go in and out of sleep/stop, just call __WFI and let the next interrupt wake it. (SYSTICK is 1000hz so it's happen rather quickly).
2016-09-08T02:30:12 < Laurenceb__> it would def work, near infrared penetrated the skull quite well
2016-09-08T02:30:15 < aadamson> didn't see any negative effect to 48mhz regular processing
2016-09-08T02:30:53 < LeelooMinai> aadamson: My point is that the waking takes time, so ther will be delay from the interrupt to the processing of it
2016-09-08T02:31:21 < LeelooMinai> It may or may not matter in your case, but sometimes it may be a problem
2016-09-08T02:31:47 < LeelooMinai> How do you measure power usage btw?
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2016-09-08T02:32:10 < aadamson> LeelooMinai, understood and thanks
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2016-09-08T02:34:26 < LeelooMinai> Here's (a part) of stm32l4 wake-up timing - it's not that bad, except the shutdown mode I guess: http://i.imgur.com/QZFzq73.png
2016-09-08T02:35:13 < LeelooMinai> From sleep mode it's negligible - few μs
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2016-09-08T02:35:37 < LeelooMinai> E, even less, 10 cycles or so
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2016-09-08T02:36:35 < aadamson> LeelooMinai, this is on an F0, and I have a 5 digit current meter inline between power supply (acting as battery) and SMPS provding board power as I wanted to see the effect on battery
2016-09-08T02:36:37 < LeelooMinai> So, sleep - few cycles, stop - few μs, and shutdown - fraction of ms
2016-09-08T02:37:21 < LeelooMinai> aadamson: I see, just display for the current or something that can sample and you can actually plot it?
2016-09-08T02:38:16 < aadamson> yes, just A/B with/without the WFI call.  what it had the effect of was lowering the average current when running at 48mhz to what the current was when I was running at 8mhz without WFI
2016-09-08T02:38:24 < aadamson> (this isn't a very processor intensive application)
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2016-09-08T02:40:06 < LeelooMinai> Right, that's often done - putting micros to sleep between processing. That's also why faster/more powerful micro may be actually more power-efficient than some slow 8-bit one.
2016-09-08T02:40:22 < LeelooMinai> Since you do the work fast and then sleep.
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2016-09-08T03:05:12 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: yep, exactly why the intel Atom processors are so dumb
2016-09-08T03:05:34 < aandrew> they idle great, but any time you actually need to do something, like processing, they end up using more power
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2016-09-08T03:53:47 < englishman> found dongs car http://i.imgur.com/A1TGDsg.jpg
2016-09-08T03:54:09 < englishman> you know its japan because there is a statue of someone raping a dolphin
2016-09-08T03:57:23 < stvn> wtf is that
2016-09-08T03:58:02 < stvn> severely doubting that car is legal on the roads
2016-09-08T03:58:05 < emeb> apparently even batman needs a truck
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2016-09-08T04:34:07 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/PHu2iyhUpzM
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2016-09-08T04:35:12 < stvn> thats excellent man
2016-09-08T04:35:43 < Rob235> I was hoping it was going to be flying today but guess not
2016-09-08T04:35:53 < Rob235> not sure if it's just the pid gains or what
2016-09-08T04:36:17 < stvn> looks like it just left the pub
2016-09-08T04:36:22 < Rob235> heh
2016-09-08T04:42:42 < Thorn> why is it rotating?
2016-09-08T04:45:03 < Rob235> not sure, haven't looked into it yet
2016-09-08T04:45:18 < Rob235> I'm going to disable yaw completely and try again
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2016-09-08T06:08:54 < stvn> Rob235: I vote all or nothing, everytime your machine fails a flight test it should automatically self destruct
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2016-09-08T07:18:04 < upgrdman> anyone used the cc2540 (bt4 ic)
2016-09-08T07:24:06 < dongs> i had a evm briefly to do some bullshit beacon crap
2016-09-08T07:25:55 < upgrdman> evm == ?
2016-09-08T07:26:16 < dongs> evaluation board/module/wahtever
2016-09-08T07:26:47 < dongs> but it was 8051 so i noped the fuck out of there
2016-09-08T07:27:22 < upgrdman> ya i just want cheap uart/bluetooth
2016-09-08T07:27:34 < upgrdman> and supposedly bt4 has longer range than bt2?
2016-09-08T07:27:36 < dongs> just get a chinamodule for $2?
2016-09-08T07:27:42 < dongs> you dont need to write firmware for them
2016-09-08T07:27:45 < dongs> they all have AT-commands based shit
2016-09-08T07:27:49 < upgrdman> ya
2016-09-08T07:27:54 < upgrdman> i have some hc05 or hc06
2016-09-08T07:28:08 < upgrdman> but theyre bt2 and at higher baud rates their range is shit
2016-09-08T07:28:26 < upgrdman> i want like 2MBaud if possible
2016-09-08T07:28:43 < upgrdman> and like 866000 baud or whatever would cut out line 1 room away
2016-09-08T07:28:50 < upgrdman> s/line/like
2016-09-08T07:29:22 < dongs> yeah tehres HC-whatever shit with BLE now.
2016-09-08T07:29:24 < dongs> no idea on speeds.
2016-09-08T07:30:08 < upgrdman> k
2016-09-08T07:31:14 < upgrdman> hmmm hc08 is a cc2540, lol
2016-09-08T07:33:07 < dongs> yeah.
2016-09-08T07:33:51 < upgrdman> is it just preflashed with AT firmware?
2016-09-08T07:34:25 < dongs> yes
2016-09-08T07:34:30 < dongs> i dont think you can even upgrade it
2016-09-08T07:34:38 < dongs> dono if they break out 8051 programming shitz
2016-09-08T07:34:43 < dongs> but shit just works, who cares
2016-09-08T07:34:51 < dongs> and its liek $2
2016-09-08T07:35:08 < upgrdman> ya im just looking for some free shit to ask from chinagirl
2016-09-08T07:35:17 < upgrdman> i asked for the $300 hexapod, she said no :(
2016-09-08T07:35:26 < dongs> lold
2016-09-08T07:38:22 < upgrdman> wtf. hc08 max baud rate looks to be 115200. gay
2016-09-08T07:41:14 < ds2> wow... $2 cc2540 modules?
2016-09-08T07:41:31 < ds2> got programmers for them somewhere
2016-09-08T07:43:41 < dongs> i see them for around $3/ in singled on aliexpress, still cheap as shit
2016-09-08T07:44:03 < dongs> CC2540 is $6 in singles on digikey, lol
2016-09-08T07:44:18 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/n3ACVuX.jpg
2016-09-08T07:44:23 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/cloned-scam/32696967947.html
2016-09-08T07:44:45 < upgrdman> wtf. none of the cheap/cheapish bt uart modules do >1MBaud
2016-09-08T07:45:12 < upgrdman> i would have figured ardutards would be screaming for 2MBaud bt uart so they can send numbers as ASCII text over the air
2016-09-08T07:47:09 < stvn> dong box
2016-09-08T07:47:42 < dongs> ur a dong
2016-09-08T07:47:53 < stvn> can you translate my box?
2016-09-08T07:48:31 < dongs> theres nothing to translate on it
2016-09-08T07:48:35 < dongs> just sez pinoeer and service parts.
2016-09-08T07:50:45 < dongs> so how excited are you all that pokemongo is coming to apple watch
2016-09-08T07:51:13 < englishman> flappy mario was the highlight
2016-09-08T07:51:26 < dongs> what does that mean
2016-09-08T07:51:49 < stvn> nah fuck that shit
2016-09-08T07:51:55 < englishman>  there's mario on iphone, but its just flappy bird
2016-09-08T07:52:01 < stvn> i got pokemon red gameboy cartridge mate
2016-09-08T07:52:04 < upgrdman> stvn, pro tip, google translate on smartphone can do camera -> english text translations
2016-09-08T07:52:06 < dongs> so full circle
2016-09-08T07:52:11 < dongs> because flappybird originally stole mario assets
2016-09-08T07:52:12 < stvn> otr?
2016-09-08T07:52:17 < stvn> or ocr
2016-09-08T07:52:29 < upgrdman> it does the ocr and translation
2016-09-08T07:52:34 < stvn> yah
2016-09-08T07:52:58 < stvn> well its in katakana so it'd be like o hintto
2016-09-08T07:53:58 < stvn> saabisu paatsu perhaps
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2016-09-08T08:46:33 < ReadErr> new iphone w0w
2016-09-08T08:49:02 < stvn> people are flipping out over the jack
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2016-09-08T09:55:32 < Steffann> Wanna boot linux or windows, stvn ?
2016-09-08T09:58:54 < PaulFertser> btw, windows can't be directly booted by any normal EFI bootloader, for some obscure reason they require their own bootloader. So Grub2 can only do as much as chainload window's EFI loader.
2016-09-08T10:01:44 < jpa-> is your definition for "normal EFI bootloader" == grub2?
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2016-09-08T10:13:31 < dongs> lol
2016-09-08T10:13:44 < dongs> my definition of 'grub2' = lunixshit nobody actually uses
2016-09-08T10:18:10 < stvn> Steffann, both
2016-09-08T10:21:59 < Steffann> I guess the same applies to clover? Or dont you know clover?
2016-09-08T10:22:13 < PaulFertser> jpa-: no, I mean just about any EFI bootloader but MS's
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2016-09-08T10:24:02 < jpa-> PaulFertser: what other EFI bootloaders are there in wide use except windows, grub2 and mac os x?
2016-09-08T10:24:22 < Steffann> Clover. In thr hackintosh scene
2016-09-08T10:24:53 < jpa-> it makes sense that any niche bootloader would be designed with grub2 in mind
2016-09-08T10:24:56 < dongs> what kinda faggot would actually want to run osx on a PC
2016-09-08T10:25:11 < PaulFertser> jpa-: yep, what Steffann says.
2016-09-08T10:25:15 < Steffann> The dongs lovers.
2016-09-08T10:26:48 < PaulFertser> Why MS doesn't implement EFI booting as prescribed by their own standard (I assume they played a role in designing that shit), without any silly tricks?
2016-09-08T10:27:07 < jpa-> what's so bad about chainloading?
2016-09-08T10:27:17 < dongs> because 99.999% of normal users have no business running anything other tahn windows on their new desktop
2016-09-08T10:27:36 < jpa-> i bet microsoft does have their reasons; could be to do with secureboot or bitlocker etc.
2016-09-08T10:27:36 < dongs> also coupled with the fact that anything supporting EFI is probably not suitable for lunix
2016-09-08T10:27:42 < dongs> as it would be waaay too new
2016-09-08T10:28:43 < Steffann> Dongs, Can you do your ignore message to dongs?
2016-09-08T10:29:42 < dongs> which one? that this conversaion (which I didnt start) is not about STM32?
2016-09-08T10:30:48 < PaulFertser> jpa-: end-user has to go throw two boot selection menus: generic EFI, then MS.
2016-09-08T10:31:29 < PaulFertser> through
2016-09-08T10:31:32 < jpa-> just disable the MS menu?
2016-09-08T10:31:53 < PaulFertser> When one has only one windows instance, yes.
2016-09-08T10:32:00 < jpa-> or are you talking about some weirdo who has linux and two different windows versions and wants to triple-boot them all?
2016-09-08T10:32:03 < jpa-> who cares, very niche
2016-09-08T10:32:26 < PaulFertser> It's just stupid to develop a standard and then violate it for no good reason.
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2016-09-08T10:32:38 < jpa-> PaulFertser: how do you know that there isn't a good reason?
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2016-09-08T10:35:13 < PaulFertser> This is one of the "weirdos" asking about it: http://superuser.com/questions/975162/boot-windows-directly-through-grub2/976323 . I think I've seen some answer with more details to answer the question you asked.
2016-09-08T10:35:36 < dongs> > I have an UEFI multi-boot system with Windows 7, Windows 10 and OpenSUSE.
2016-09-08T10:35:42 < dongs> ............. why, just why?!?!
2016-09-08T10:36:49 < jpa-> and there is even a workaround
2016-09-08T10:43:26 < PaulFertser> http://superuser.com/questions/729264/is-it-possible-to-boot-windows-8-1-without-its-own-bootmanager
2016-09-08T10:43:33 < PaulFertser> Enough technical details to judge
2016-09-08T10:43:52 < ReadErr> virtuals are so easy these days
2016-09-08T10:43:56 < ReadErr> no reason to dual boot
2016-09-08T10:44:47 < PaulFertser> I'd say that's clearly wrong architecture, i.e. a layering violation on MS side.
2016-09-08T10:45:08 < jpa-> eh, it works
2016-09-08T10:45:45 < jpa-> "Mostly, it is because Microsoft wrote the bootmanager to handle all things (loading the OS, loading the recovery environment, pseudo pre-os environment, and etc)."   it seems to me that grub also does all these things
2016-09-08T10:46:05 < jpa-> is there a standard EFI way to do them? like passing kernel parameters, is there a standard interface for that?
2016-09-08T10:46:46 < ReadErr> osx does it
2016-09-08T10:47:09 < ReadErr> or you can view the sourcecode for the hackintosh one
2016-09-08T10:47:24 < ReadErr> if you reallllly cared i guess
2016-09-08T10:47:25 < jpa-> but is it standard, or do they just happen to do it the same way?
2016-09-08T10:48:14 < ReadErr> idk, all I know is my new bios menus have a mosue
2016-09-08T10:48:16 < ReadErr> mouse*
2016-09-08T10:48:24 < ReadErr> thats neat
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2016-09-08T11:01:01 < PaulFertser> jpa-: there's EFI boot manager and EFI boot loader. Grub2 combines both. And I can't say I like it. If one wants some recovery environment, that's just an additional efi executable, and any boot manager should be able to run it.
2016-09-08T11:01:46 < jpa-> so basically, no-one is following the standard the way you'd like it to be followed?
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2016-09-08T11:02:08 < jpa-> grub works, windows boot loader works, you model seems cumbersome even if it is more elegant
2016-09-08T11:02:28 < jpa-> like having to have some extra level to configure the kernel boot params
2016-09-08T11:03:45 < PaulFertser> That's because EFI was designed to suck.
2016-09-08T11:03:54 < jpa-> :D
2016-09-08T11:04:06 < jpa-> it works better than MBR
2016-09-08T11:04:08 < PaulFertser> And Grub2 folks had no voice there. Unlike MS
2016-09-08T11:04:24 < jpa-> so MS doesn't do perfect decisions.. that's a surprise
2016-09-08T11:04:39 < jpa-> it did manage to create something that works much better than what we had before
2016-09-08T11:07:17 < jpa-> i bet there hasn't ever been any standard that didn't have some shortcomings
2016-09-08T11:07:33 < PaulFertser> And MS + Intel managed to create a system so complex that well-established companies can't properly implement it, see e.g. Darth Venamin attack and other related security issues...
2016-09-08T11:07:56 < dongs> PaulFertser: incorrect
2016-09-08T11:08:01 < dongs> PaulFertser: case in point, ACPI
2016-09-08T11:08:06 < dongs> invented by intel + msft
2016-09-08T11:08:13 < dongs> lunix still doesnt have proper working acpi support
2016-09-08T11:08:17 < dongs> windows had it in 1998
2016-09-08T11:08:25 < dongs> intel has paid fucking engineers writing ACPI shit for lunix
2016-09-08T11:08:27 < dongs> and it still doesnt work
2016-09-08T11:09:03 < jpa-> PaulFertser: people manage to create terrible security holes even in very simple stuff
2016-09-08T11:10:02 < LeelooMinai> I thought that sayinbg anything positive about Windows/Microsoft on Freenode was passe:)
2016-09-08T11:10:03 < PaulFertser> dongs: you know how MB vendors test their ACPI "scripts" only with windows and sometimes provide obviously broken "scripts" for all other systems? Forcing Linux developers to execute "windows" scripts and then having problems because windows sometimes does it a little bit different? And what particular ACPI issues do you have in mind?
2016-09-08T11:10:51 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: nah, bashing everything MS does is so 90's
2016-09-08T11:11:22 < dongs> PaulFertser: thats not my problem as end user
2016-09-08T11:12:03 < jpa-> PaulFertser: that's just the manufacturers not caring about linux; can't really blame them for following their business interests
2016-09-08T11:12:22 < dongs> jpa-: and the fact that tehy couldnt "test" the shit even if they wante dto
2016-09-08T11:12:29 < dongs> since there's several dozen of active lunix distros
2016-09-08T11:12:32 < dongs> all with different kernels
2016-09-08T11:12:34 < dongs> all with different configs
2016-09-08T11:12:38 < dongs> all differntyby broken
2016-09-08T11:12:38 < jpa-> true
2016-09-08T11:12:42 < PaulFertser> jpa-: can blame ACPI for being such a stupid design that counts on manufacturers doing the right thing when it was well-known by that time they just can't.
2016-09-08T11:12:45 < dongs> they would have to hire fulltime staff just to sort that shit out
2016-09-08T11:12:51 < dongs> where tehy can just boot windows 10 and see it work
2016-09-08T11:13:00 < jpa-> PaulFertser: it works for the people who designed it
2016-09-08T11:13:16 < PaulFertser> It doesn't make it architecturally correct.
2016-09-08T11:13:45 < jpa-> ah, but being archiTECTUrally correct is meaningless in the real world
2016-09-08T11:13:53 < PaulFertser> And it doesn't make "lunix" guilty in not implementing it "proper'.
2016-09-08T11:14:02 < jpa-> that part i agree with
2016-09-08T11:14:08 < jpa-> it is not an easy problem to solve
2016-09-08T11:14:09 < dongs> PaulFertser: it does when implementers are paid intel employees
2016-09-08T11:14:14 < dongs> they wrote the spec and they cant make it work properly
2016-09-08T11:14:25 < dongs> BUT same paid engineers have it working just fine on windows.
2016-09-08T11:14:37 < dongs> teh only difference is platform so... im gonna guess lunix is just broken
2016-09-08T11:14:41 < PaulFertser> Because it wasn't designed to work for anything but microsoft in the first place. Because it was designed with stupid vendors testing windows in mind.
2016-09-08T11:15:09 < jpa-> yet, it is better than what we had before ACPI
2016-09-08T11:16:39 < LeelooMinai> As I see it Linux "people" always saw non-tech-savvy users as not worthy to use an operating system, so they should not complain now that they lost the battle in popularity.
2016-09-08T11:17:21 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: Linux is running on most smartphone nowadays, and plenty of SOHO equipment. I wouldn't call that a loss.
2016-09-08T11:17:38 < dongs> lunix biggest problem is what those freaks consider its biggest advantage
2016-09-08T11:17:43 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: lost the battle? they are gaining ground all the time, but i agree that it'll remain niche for good time to come
2016-09-08T11:17:46 < LeelooMinai> Linux is running on most smartphones? That's ew to me:)
2016-09-08T11:17:50 < LeelooMinai> news*
2016-09-08T11:17:50 < jpa-> especially as ubuntu went to shit lately
2016-09-08T11:17:52 < dongs> the fact theres fucking choice for EVERYTHING when its not even needed
2016-09-08T11:17:57 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: linux the kernel
2016-09-08T11:18:06 < dongs> no, i don't need 30 desktop evironments that are all shit.
2016-09-08T11:18:09 < dongs> i'd settle for ONE that works
2016-09-08T11:18:13 < dongs> no, I don't need 10 different shells
2016-09-08T11:18:18 < dongs> no I don't need 100 differnt file managers
2016-09-08T11:18:30 < dongs> i don't need 1000 different distributions that move files around and change wallpaper shades
2016-09-08T11:18:35 < Steffann> Wasnt the first support by windows also crappy. And windows xp also had some requirements because crappy.
2016-09-08T11:18:57 < dongs> Steffann: win98se had ACPI support already.
2016-09-08T11:19:00 < Steffann> First acpi support that is
2016-09-08T11:20:08 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=1&qptimeframe=Y 64%
2016-09-08T11:20:18 < dongs> ?
2016-09-08T11:20:33 < dongs> the fuck does fgtdroid have anything to do with lunnix
2016-09-08T11:20:52 < dongs> the ONLY reason google used lunix kernel for that shit is beacuse it would take too much work to write a proper kernel and they're doing it now anyway
2016-09-08T11:20:56 < dongs> to finally get rid of lunix
2016-09-08T11:21:04 < PaulFertser> dongs: we'll see
2016-09-08T11:21:12 < dongs> the same reason places like ILM/Pixar/etc use lunix beacuse its just free shit they dont have to pay a license for
2016-09-08T11:21:33 < dongs> if they could use windows you betcha they will
2016-09-08T11:21:43 < jpa-> :D
2016-09-08T11:21:43 < dongs> their support/time wasting dicking with lunix trash would decrease exponentially
2016-09-08T11:21:52 < LeelooMinai> I did not even know that Android has linux as the kernel - which says something about it I guess... It's probably there because they needed something lightweight.
2016-09-08T11:21:55 < jpa-> ILM and Pixar are so short on money they can't buy windows? :D
2016-09-08T11:22:15 < dongs> jpa, why spend if its not needed
2016-09-08T11:22:19 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: it works, that's why
2016-09-08T11:22:48 < dongs> windows has better development tools, better work environment, better pretty much everything
2016-09-08T11:23:08 < dongs> "works"
2016-09-08T11:23:20 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Well, my point kind of was "because there was nothing else that small"
2016-09-08T11:23:40 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: apple used some BSD kernel i think
2016-09-08T11:24:36 < jpa-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU  this, was open source so google could have used it also if they wanted
2016-09-08T11:24:43 < dongs> snort
2016-09-08T11:25:49 < LeelooMinai> Or TempleOS I guess
2016-09-08T11:26:00 < jpa-> templeos wasn't available back then
2016-09-08T11:26:49 < LeelooMinai> It was available in Gods mind - just needed some vessel to type the code in
2016-09-08T11:36:31 < stvn> lol
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2016-09-08T12:17:35 < jpa-> http://engineering.stackexchange.com/questions/11358/trasmitting-data-from-pressure-transducer-to-phone-   such pro
2016-09-08T12:23:06 < Steffann> Are you hobby bobbying again jpa- ?
2016-09-08T12:24:28 < jpa-> no, just lazy surfing
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2016-09-08T12:49:48 < Steffann> Researching underwater ultrasonic communication again?
2016-09-08T12:52:26 < jpa-> ?
2016-09-08T12:52:46 < jpa-> no, just literally lazy surfing on stackexchange and reading stupid questions
2016-09-08T12:53:01 < jpa-> and when i find some, i'll paste them here
2016-09-08T12:58:17 < dongs> chinks just told me they arent releasing this fucking USB-PD controller because they're waioting to certify it wiht PD3.0 next year
2016-09-08T12:58:27 < dongs> too bad i need the solution now
2016-09-08T12:58:36 < dongs> i guess im ghettoing it up with F0 after all..
2016-09-08T12:58:38 < dongs> was hoping to avoid that shit.
2016-09-08T13:15:32 < karlp> bah, o6 noisy chat logs in #locm3 now.
2016-09-08T13:18:14 < stvn> is he worse than crt?
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2016-09-08T13:31:57 < PeterM_obile> O6 is worse than eating glass
2016-09-08T13:33:06 < stvn> interesting way to put it
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2016-09-08T13:39:58 < stvn> hmmm
2016-09-08T13:41:08 < dongs> karlp: haha.
2016-09-08T13:41:52 < karlp> upgrdman: there's a ti bt4 ccXX that's got a cortex m3 instead of an 8051 iirc
2016-09-08T13:42:53 < dongs> karlp: i bet it costs even more than $6 in singles
2016-09-08T13:42:56 < dongs> for 8051 version
2016-09-08T13:43:43 < karlp> upgrdman: so, why do _you_ need 2MBaud?
2016-09-08T13:50:31 < karlp> worst with o7 is that it all _seems_ to be relevant ontopic chatx. until you read a bit further.
2016-09-08T13:52:22 < dongs> no its just non-stop assburgering
2016-09-08T13:58:51 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/OfTAWhs.gifv ...
2016-09-08T14:00:08 < stvn> well
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2016-09-08T14:00:29 < Laurenceb__> oh look a BBCvertisment http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37305200
2016-09-08T14:01:07 < dongs> still no release of CM2.0
2016-09-08T14:04:13 < zyp> gonna use it for anything?
2016-09-08T14:04:24 < Laurenceb__> bbc loves hypeberry
2016-09-08T14:07:01 < zyp> for a SoM, the rpi CM seems kinda big
2016-09-08T14:08:52 < Laurenceb__> what dongs faps to http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/10528/production/_91065866_harnaamkaur-youngestfemalewithafullbeard-0402160228.jpg
2016-09-08T14:09:19 < stvn> hmm
2016-09-08T14:10:52 < stvn> lunch time Laurenceb__ ?
2016-09-08T14:11:07 < dongs> zyp, audiophile pro audio
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2016-09-08T14:13:47 < karlp> zyp: how so? it was just a DIMM sized thing right?
2016-09-08T14:13:56 < dongs> was->is
2016-09-08T14:14:04 < karlp> I mean, they could have chosen pci-e or something istead, but *shrugs*
2016-09-08T14:14:06 < dongs> karlp: the problem is pizero is smaller
2016-09-08T14:14:35 < dongs> and yeah theres a fair bit of space wasted on the CM
2016-09-08T14:15:56 < karlp> sweet fridge mover dude
2016-09-08T14:23:52 < zyp> karlp, yes, sodimm or something
2016-09-08T14:24:18 < zyp> but most of it is wasted area
2016-09-08T14:28:19 < zyp> I'm a bit unfair, since I'm comparing it to an intel edison which has much less IO, but in the application I'd use it for, I'm not interested in the HDMI and whatever other stuff the rpi module has
2016-09-08T14:28:37 < dongs> youre thinking pizero
2016-09-08T14:28:42 < dongs> cm has no hdmi or other shit
2016-09-08T14:28:43 < dongs> its just a sodimm
2016-09-08T14:28:51 < dongs> with wasted space, but sodimm
2016-09-08T14:28:58 < zyp> there's hdmi on the sodimm edge, no?
2016-09-08T14:29:04 < dongs> nope haha
2016-09-08T14:29:11 < zyp> bullshit, sure there is
2016-09-08T14:29:20 < dongs> http://data.designspark.info/uploads/images/534263e537a0486387045b000ab30621
2016-09-08T14:29:22 < dongs> nigga where
2016-09-08T14:29:33 < dongs> https://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/straightened.jpg
2016-09-08T14:29:36 < zyp> what's all those differential lanes?
2016-09-08T14:29:36 < dongs> zero is the shit with hdmi!
2016-09-08T14:29:49 < zyp> I'm not talking about zero
2016-09-08T14:29:49 < dongs> oh you meant as signals?
2016-09-08T14:29:53 < zyp> yes, of course
2016-09-08T14:29:55 < dongs> of course, thats HDMI and 2 mipicsi
2016-09-08T14:30:02 < dongs> and mipidsi
2016-09-08T14:30:06 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/FLNzhK3.gif
2016-09-08T14:30:12 < Laurenceb__> but are there drivers for it
2016-09-08T14:30:17 < dongs> yes actually
2016-09-08T14:30:34 < dongs> you can do dual 5mp cam with dual csi inputs
2016-09-08T14:30:43 < dongs> and dsi supports some rageberry-official dsi display
2016-09-08T14:30:57 < zyp> Laurenceb__, wtf
2016-09-08T14:31:11 < Laurenceb__> power line fell on the swings
2016-09-08T14:31:26 < zyp> ah
2016-09-08T14:31:27 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/OldWeightyHerculesbeetle to save bandwidth clicking on a fucking gif
2016-09-08T14:31:47 < dongs>  gif size:35887956 gfy size:6858605
2016-09-08T14:33:32 < stvn> sup with that?
2016-09-08T14:33:44 < stvn> oh brother /b/ said what happen never mind
2016-09-08T14:34:51 < stvn> Laurenceb__, i got one for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od-tfL8u_aQ
2016-09-08T14:34:59 < zyp> anyway, the reason I'm interested in a SoM is because I want a gateway between a bunch of stm32 devices on a CAN bus or something and ethernet, and I don't really want to dick around with networking code on a microcontroller
2016-09-08T14:35:35 < dongs> rageberry doesnt evne have ethernet anyay
2016-09-08T14:35:48 < dongs> you better just use that neopi zero thing
2016-09-08T14:36:00 < zyp> neither does edison, but it got wifi
2016-09-08T14:36:05 < dongs> o
2016-09-08T14:36:14 < zyp> and both got usb that both wired and wireless shit can be hooked up to
2016-09-08T14:36:32 < zyp> and both got some spi shit and the likes that can be hooked up to the local stuff
2016-09-08T14:37:27 < zyp> hmm
2016-09-08T14:38:03 < zyp> dongs, how hard do you think it would be to do custom allwinner shit? both wrt. sourcing parts, board complexity and assembling shit
2016-09-08T14:38:15 < Laurenceb__> use esp thingy?
2016-09-08T14:38:22 < dongs> zyp, i was involved in a bunch of shit related to it
2016-09-08T14:38:23 < dongs> quite easy
2016-09-08T14:38:27 < dongs> A10, A20, A22 or someshit
2016-09-08T14:38:48 < dongs> the only "parts" you really need is the proc itself and that PMIC chip, both are in chian etc
2016-09-08T14:38:56 < dongs> the rest is just off hte shelf stuff ddr2 and shit
2016-09-08T14:39:18 < dongs> but we're lazy so just copypaste allwinner CPU+DDR layout portion so its kinda huge
2016-09-08T14:40:02 < zyp> wish you could get some PoP shit so you didn't have to fuck around with routing DDR
2016-09-08T14:40:12 < zyp> but that's probably expensive to assemble?
2016-09-08T14:42:03 < dongs> not mcuh different
2016-09-08T14:42:31 < dongs> duno any llwinner trash with pop
2016-09-08T14:42:37 < dongs> none of it is w orth it for one-off tho
2016-09-08T14:42:49 < dongs> wouldnt evne bother with custom allwinner unless you were gonna make 1-5k
2016-09-08T14:43:41 < dongs> http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=132
2016-09-08T14:43:42 < dongs> done
2016-09-08T14:44:48 < zyp> it's so big
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2016-09-08T14:45:00 < dongs> ..
2016-09-08T14:45:03 < dongs> its 4x4cm
2016-09-08T14:45:05 < dongs> how small do you want it
2016-09-08T14:45:26 < dongs> you sound like o6
2016-09-08T14:45:39 < zyp> haha
2016-09-08T14:46:03 < stvn> shots fired
2016-09-08T14:49:25 < zyp> well, volume wise it's a lot bigger than the intel edison
2016-09-08T14:49:32 < zyp> but that's again comparing apples and oranges
2016-09-08T14:49:38 < zyp> wifi antenna vs rj45 socket
2016-09-08T14:49:40 < dongs> but does edickson run lunix?
2016-09-08T14:49:56 < zyp> of course, it's full x86
2016-09-08T14:49:59 < zyp> some atom shit
2016-09-08T14:50:13 < zyp> that reminds me, I should dick more around with that
2016-09-08T14:50:14 < dongs> apparently you can install XP on edison
2016-09-08T14:50:16 < dongs> now thats awesomem
2016-09-08T14:50:47 < stvn> strange
2016-09-08T14:51:14 < zyp> I were going to look at openembedded for building images for edison
2016-09-08T14:56:33 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/RQyoIih.jpg
2016-09-08T14:58:55 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/gvyATiC.gifv
2016-09-08T14:59:21 < karlp> zyp: what's the appeal of edison? readily available, small, x86?
2016-09-08T15:01:12 < emeryth> intel will actually pay you to use it
2016-09-08T15:02:29 < zyp> karlp, less worse than everything else
2016-09-08T15:03:08 < zyp> I'm pretty ambiguous wrt. x86, I don't think that matters at all
2016-09-08T15:03:37 < zyp> so it's mostly that it's small and easy to integrate
2016-09-08T15:03:42 < zyp> and wifi is nice
2016-09-08T15:04:05 < BrainDamage> x86 makes a difference only if you want to run preexising binaries
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2016-09-08T15:04:38 < karlp> expansion is only via rather obtuse high density connectors though
2016-09-08T15:04:47 < karlp> I guess that doesn't matter if you're asking someone else to assemble it.
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2016-09-08T15:15:45 < zyp> BrainDamage, exactly
2016-09-08T15:17:03 < zyp> karlp, the use of a high density connector helps keeping it small, and I suspect a sodimm socket to hold an rpi CM wouldn't be any cheaper
2016-09-08T15:18:18 < dongs> 1K sodimms are $1.4/ea
2016-09-08T15:18:23 < dongs> just bought some last week
2016-09-08T15:18:30 < dongs> glossy white foxconn version
2016-09-08T15:19:22 < dongs> fuck that ST USB-C evaluation thing is overengineerd to fuck
2016-09-08T15:19:26 < dongs> and code is unreadable
2016-09-08T15:25:50 < dongs> hm from what ican tell their shit uses SPI to TX and timer to RX
2016-09-08T15:27:03 < karlp> what?
2016-09-08T15:27:16 < dongs> ST's USB-PD reference design shit
2016-09-08T15:27:19 < dongs> with closed-sores .lib
2016-09-08T15:27:52 < stvn> muh freedoms
2016-09-08T15:29:43 < Laurenceb__> all ST code is unreadable
2016-09-08T15:29:51 < Laurenceb__> apart from when its trivially simple
2016-09-08T15:30:17 < dongs>   HAL_GPIO_Init(TX_SCK_GPIOPORT(hport), &GPIO_InitStruct);
2016-09-08T15:30:19 < dongs> ...
2016-09-08T15:30:26 < dongs> TX_SCK_GPIOPORT shit is not defined anywehre
2016-09-08T15:30:34 < dongs> i think this is acutally some HAL aids
2016-09-08T15:31:32 < dongs> zero google hits, awesome
2016-09-08T15:32:06 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WcCMr76mJE
2016-09-08T15:32:19 < Laurenceb__> lurn to grep u n00b
2016-09-08T15:32:35 < dongs> sorry i'm more a findstr.exe kinda guy
2016-09-08T15:33:13 < dongs> #define TX_CC1_SPI_GPIOAF(__PORT__)     ((__PORT__ == 0) ? GPIO_AF0_SPI2 : GPIO_AF0_SPI1 )
2016-09-08T15:33:17 < dongs> aww yea
2016-09-08T15:35:01 < dongs> i wonder who acutally reads this shit and goes "hmm im just gonna use this code as-is"
2016-09-08T15:36:22 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/hirose-electric-co-ltd/DF40C-70DS-0.4V(51)/H11631CT-ND/1969510 <- here's what the edison uses; $.7/ea @1k from digikey
2016-09-08T15:37:17 < stvn> Laurenceb__, wtf is that
2016-09-08T15:37:48 < Laurenceb__> stvn: ur mum using a didlo
2016-09-08T15:37:52 < zyp> though, compared to the $60 or whatever for the module, the connector cost is pretty irrelevant
2016-09-08T15:37:58 < stvn> ok
2016-09-08T15:38:06 < zyp> unless it can be populated optionally
2016-09-08T15:38:14 < zyp> I've considered that approach
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2016-09-08T16:00:44 < jadew> lol
2016-09-08T16:00:57 < jadew> damn scrollback
2016-09-08T16:01:13 < jadew> was watching the flood video
2016-09-08T16:09:27 < stvn> wondering where/when
2016-09-08T16:36:10 < Ecco> Hmm
2016-09-08T16:36:22 < Ecco> STM32 with firmware which disable the JTAG on boot
2016-09-08T16:36:26 < Ecco> is there a way to recover?
2016-09-08T16:36:37 < Ecco> (it turns off the SWD GPIOs)
2016-09-08T16:36:50 < BrainDamage> are you cloning stuff?
2016-09-08T16:36:54 < Ecco> nope
2016-09-08T16:37:03 < Ecco> Just accidentally flashed a stupid firmware
2016-09-08T16:37:12 < Ecco> overwrote the GPIO_MODER
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2016-09-08T16:56:17 < sterna> you cannot flash it again?
2016-09-08T16:57:02 < sterna> pull the reset and flash it right after reset (your progammer should have a reset pin as well)
2016-09-08T16:58:06 < sterna> that way, the flashing will start right after reset, whoch should be before it executes your code
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2016-09-08T16:58:28 < sterna> because I take it you have your code in main() or something?
2016-09-08T16:58:31 < sterna> Ecco: ^
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2016-09-08T17:07:15 < gxti_> i believe you can debug while the reset is asserted, but not flash, so you should stop the target, release the reset, then flash
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2016-09-08T17:08:35 < zyp> speaking of SoMs, I just came across that artik stuff
2016-09-08T17:08:45 < zyp> seems like it could be a good competitor to edison
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2016-09-08T17:24:28 < Laurenceb> wtf
2016-09-08T17:24:30 < Laurenceb> http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/122CE/production/_91064447_3d76a211-dcc2-4cc6-88b9-e218c8a1b996.jpg
2016-09-08T17:24:39 < Laurenceb> what happens when it falls out
2016-09-08T17:27:06 < Laurenceb> that would last less than 30s before falling down a drain
2016-09-08T17:27:30 < Laurenceb> might as well jam 0603 resistors in yeah ears and try walking around
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2016-09-08T17:51:55 < karlp> well, witout the leads to get stuck on things, they probably actually stay in really well.
2016-09-08T17:52:05 < karlp> charging them all the time sounds like a fucking pain of course ;)
2016-09-08T17:52:45 < karlp> oh heh, I'd forgotten allabout that artik stuff
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2016-09-08T17:55:25 < karlp> 2 chan adc. nice sensing module thanks samsung
2016-09-08T17:59:07 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2016/09/08/megasquirting-my-1983-datsun-z/
2016-09-08T17:59:12 < Laurenceb> ecu board is nasty
2016-09-08T18:04:45 < ReadError> megasquirting hm
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2016-09-08T18:04:59 < Laurenceb> do not type into google
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2016-09-08T18:13:36 < emeb> http://appleplugs.com/
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2016-09-08T18:23:30 < jpa-> 12314 N   Sep 08 YouTube         ( 205) Jorge Andres CockRamirez has subscribed to you on YouTube!
2016-09-08T18:23:34 < jpa-> i hope that is not his real name
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2016-09-08T18:32:18 < englishman> Laurenceb: lol that's like original megasquirt from 2001
2016-09-08T18:32:24 < englishman> or earlier
2016-09-08T18:33:12 < englishman> why do people have to ruin their classic cars
2016-09-08T18:33:32 < Sync> because efi
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2016-09-08T18:34:40 < englishman> (this particular kit is from 2005)
2016-09-08T18:34:42 < englishman> ok
2016-09-08T18:34:51 < englishman> this is a lifelong project
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2016-09-08T18:40:02 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8LRxIANzQs sci-fi short
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2016-09-08T18:55:05 < Laurenceb> hmm
2016-09-08T18:55:13 < Laurenceb> kickstart actual non fail ecu
2016-09-08T18:55:19 < Laurenceb> that might be a project idea
2016-09-08T18:55:40 < Laurenceb> kakimir: dolphinsex.com?
2016-09-08T18:56:09 < Laurenceb> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/woman-who-sex-dolphin-during-3665157
2016-09-08T18:56:52 < englishman> Laurenceb: why, when excellent low cost efis already exist and have decades of experience and development
2016-09-08T18:57:29 < kakimir> doplhin fucker
2016-09-08T18:57:58 < Laurenceb> http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/43/56/13/43561369a59c9dd422116da0bb397d7b.jpg
2016-09-08T19:00:09 < Laurenceb>  *silence as kakimir faps furiously*
2016-09-08T19:00:10 < kakimir> I see you are well eduncated on this matter
2016-09-08T19:01:18 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=30981.msg1580288#msg1580288
2016-09-08T19:01:50 < Sync> gg
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2016-09-08T19:04:04 < BrainDamage> can emdrive melt steel beams?
2016-09-08T19:05:54 < kakimir> ET wants home
2016-09-08T19:08:19 < Steffann> Just call your mom.
2016-09-08T19:08:22 < Steffann> Kakimir phones home
2016-09-08T19:08:50 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=82f_1473335030
2016-09-08T19:09:54 < kakimir> I live with my mother
2016-09-08T19:09:56 < kakimir> no need to call
2016-09-08T19:10:55 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/PHu2iyhUpzM
2016-09-08T19:11:31 < kakimir> hmm
2016-09-08T19:11:35 < Rob235> could pid just still be too low?
2016-09-08T19:11:57 < Rob235> not sure whats causing the spinning
2016-09-08T19:12:00 < Laurenceb> hmmm
2016-09-08T19:12:07 < Laurenceb> marginal control
2016-09-08T19:12:08 < kakimir> rotating drone frame would give it more stability
2016-09-08T19:12:13 < Laurenceb> not end of the world
2016-09-08T19:12:26 < kakimir> why not make rotating drones?
2016-09-08T19:12:32 < Rob235> :)
2016-09-08T19:12:41 < Rob235> maybe that was my plan
2016-09-08T19:12:44 < Steffann> Hah ok kakimir
2016-09-08T19:13:18 < kakimir> Steffann: what is age in where you live to move out?
2016-09-08T19:13:45 < Steffann> Not sure. Student age.
2016-09-08T19:13:45 < BrainDamage> how do i english
2016-09-08T19:13:56 < kakimir> in Italy it's like.. 36 :D
2016-09-08T19:14:21 < kakimir> in funland I'm more an exception
2016-09-08T19:14:35 < Steffann> But iirc many students actually return to their parents house after they finish their study.
2016-09-08T19:14:40 < Steffann> Because no job
2016-09-08T19:14:49 < Laurenceb> maybe they broke both their arms
2016-09-08T19:15:21 < kakimir> a new riddle Laurenceb ?
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2016-09-08T19:17:58 < Laurenceb> kakimir: lurn 2 internet
2016-09-08T19:18:00 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1pvp3g/broken_arms_circlejerk/
2016-09-08T19:18:44 < Steffann> Learn 2 forget Laurenceb
2016-09-08T19:19:18 < kakimir> what do you do with all your memes in 20years from now Laurenceb ?
2016-09-08T19:19:34 < Laurenceb> become professor of memes
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2016-09-08T19:22:08 < kakimir> school of memes will vanish before that
2016-09-08T19:30:42 < kakimir> how do I input mains input sine signal scaled to 0 - 3v3 to mcu AD pin with some sort of inexpensive and legit method?
2016-09-08T19:31:07 < kakimir> I do not have transformer on board
2016-09-08T19:31:11 < kakimir> but power module
2016-09-08T19:31:48 < BrainDamage> voltage divider then optoisolator
2016-09-08T19:32:24 < kakimir> analog opto?
2016-09-08T19:32:36 < BrainDamage> yes
2016-09-08T19:33:26 < kakimir> how you think about doing some sort of capacitor based symmetrical isolation for phase and neutral?
2016-09-08T19:33:54 < kakimir> then just read phase and connect neutral capacitor to gnd
2016-09-08T19:34:03 < BrainDamage> transient spikes will go trought and fry your board
2016-09-08T19:34:12 < kakimir> that's what I thought
2016-09-08T19:34:25 < Laurenceb> optically isolating all mains is good practice
2016-09-08T19:35:17 < kakimir> recommend opto?
2016-09-08T19:37:10 < Steffanx> or no non-isolated and follow atmel application note :P
2016-09-08T19:37:28 < Steffanx> -no
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2016-09-08T19:38:19 < karlp> kakimir: just buy ssrs with zero crossing,
2016-09-08T19:38:23 < karlp> fuck trying to do it yourself.
2016-09-08T19:38:29 < kakimir> I have
2016-09-08T19:38:50 < kakimir> I just may add technical detail while I'm at it!
2016-09-08T19:39:13 < kakimir> it's not there to be utilized but just because
2016-09-08T19:39:36 < kakimir> add little bit of feature autism
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2016-09-08T19:39:40 < Steffanx> over engineering and the need to support everything and it's mother?
2016-09-08T19:39:56 < BrainDamage>  http://www.pwiworks.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Autism-Awareness-Ribbon.jpg
2016-09-08T19:40:21 < Steffanx> if irc would do avatars i would add
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2016-09-08T19:44:07 < kakimir> karlp: why wouldn't I do it if I have to?
2016-09-08T19:44:25 < kakimir> I have to do it with mcu in my over controller too
2016-09-08T19:44:57 < Steffanx> "hav
2016-09-08T19:45:00 < Steffanx> e too"
2016-09-08T19:45:07 < kakimir> don't know how exactly that zero point opto should be utilized there
2016-09-08T19:45:33 < kakimir> should it be read as digital input or analog input
2016-09-08T19:45:56 < kakimir> haven't yet connected real mains to it
2016-09-08T19:45:59 < kakimir> to see
2016-09-08T19:46:02 < BrainDamage> i made a small heating controller too, i considered phase chopping, but then i went fuck it
2016-09-08T19:46:17 < BrainDamage> the thermal capacitance of the whole thing won't care if i bang bang the power
2016-09-08T19:47:08 < kakimir> I figured too that I should control at least one half phase at time
2016-09-08T19:49:46 < kakimir> wasn't it 2500V isolation level required for mains designs?
2016-09-08T19:52:28 < kakimir> I should anyway just use those chinese 40A ssr blocks
2016-09-08T19:53:01 < kakimir> but only if my triac boards arc over and start burning
2016-09-08T19:53:08 < kakimir> or do not work
2016-09-08T19:53:16 < Steffanx> Yes, but be sure to buy the right one. Not allf of them that great.
2016-09-08T19:53:51 < kakimir> all of them are varying level of crap
2016-09-08T19:54:10 < Steffanx> but you are driving your triacs with a  zero cross opto isolated driver?
2016-09-08T19:54:27 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/302005733111
2016-09-08T19:54:37 < Steffanx> yes those.
2016-09-08T19:54:47 < kakimir> Steffann: I'm driving with mcu that reads zero points
2016-09-08T19:55:02 < kakimir> from zero point opto
2016-09-08T19:55:07 < Steffanx> ok.
2016-09-08T19:55:09 < englishman> these 40a ssrs are great crap
2016-09-08T19:55:33 < kakimir> what you use those for?
2016-09-08T19:55:36 < englishman> description is 40 picture is 25, bail on that
2016-09-08T19:55:39 < englishman> bunch of crap
2016-09-08T19:55:45 < englishman> fan control, heater control
2016-09-08T19:55:53 < englishman> soon, pump control
2016-09-08T19:56:07 < BrainDamage> pumper*
2016-09-08T19:56:10 < Steffanx> so not crappy enough to not use them.
2016-09-08T19:56:12 < englishman> confirmed
2016-09-08T19:56:23 < englishman> exactly Steffanx
2016-09-08T19:56:27 < englishman> not better than that tho
2016-09-08T19:56:31 < kakimir> they just butt different label on them
2016-09-08T19:56:36 < kakimir> for 25A and 40A
2016-09-08T19:56:50 < englishman> theres also heatsinks if you have any significant load http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-Aluminum-Alloy-Heat-Sink-For-Solid-State-Relay-SSR-Small-Type-Heat-Dissipation-p-48066.html
2016-09-08T19:57:16 < kakimir> I will bolt it to aluminum
2016-09-08T19:57:22 < kakimir> enclosure
2016-09-08T19:57:33 < englishman> yeah thats good
2016-09-08T19:57:35 < kakimir> or sheet of steel plate
2016-09-08T19:57:36 < englishman> http://www.banggood.com/100mmx100mmx5mm-GPU-CPU-Heatsink-Cooler-Blue-Thermal-Conductive-Silicone-Pad-p-989163.html
2016-09-08T19:57:38 < englishman> and this crap
2016-09-08T19:58:36 < englishman> get some of these while youre shopping at banggood http://www.banggood.com/Eachine-E010-Mini-2_4G-4CH-6-Axis-Headless-Mode-RC-Quadcopter-RTF-p-1066972.html
2016-09-08T19:59:44 < kakimir> I have never shopped banggood or ali
2016-09-08T20:01:33 < kakimir> what is the type of opto I have to look for?
2016-09-08T20:01:43 < kakimir> for some sort of analog operation
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2016-09-08T20:19:47 < kakimir> so I need flat curve for normalized CRT to opto to be good for analog use?
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2016-09-08T20:20:41 < kakimir> and I need to limit current to level where output saturates
2016-09-08T20:21:17 < kakimir> if I want to read whole sinewave
2016-09-08T20:21:43 < kakimir> maybe it's better to let it saturate so zeropoints are more clear
2016-09-08T20:21:56 < kakimir> http://www.vishay.com/docs/83725/4n25.pdf I have this in my triac board
2016-09-08T20:34:09 < kakimir> just throw something in there and do the math later!
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2016-09-08T20:34:19 < kakimir> value those parts as OPT
2016-09-08T20:34:24 < kakimir> kebab>
2016-09-08T20:43:14 < Steffanx> pizza.
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2016-09-08T20:53:43 < kakimir> should I feel bad for eating pizza kebab or burger once a day
2016-09-08T20:53:56 < kakimir> or ever more than that
2016-09-08T20:54:39 < kakimir> I feel healthy though
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2016-09-08T20:57:04 < Steffanx> mom didnt cook?
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2016-09-08T21:08:15 < Rob235> poop
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2016-09-08T21:20:35 < Steffanx> in the pants?
2016-09-08T21:23:58 < kakimir> Steffann: I need some extra
2016-09-08T21:25:05 < Steffanx> Get some stroopwafels then
2016-09-08T21:28:15 < kakimir> but some days I run on coffee only :/
2016-09-08T21:28:20 < Steffanx> im the official ##stm32 stroopwafel supplier.
2016-09-08T21:28:32 < kakimir> dealer
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2016-09-08T21:32:55 < Fleck> gm barthess
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2016-09-08T21:34:08 < Steffanx> He doesnt like you Fleck.
2016-09-08T21:34:27 < Fleck> yeah, seems so :D
2016-09-08T21:34:36 < kakimir> Steffann: we call them "vohveli"
2016-09-08T21:34:57 < Steffanx> those are different kakimir
2016-09-08T21:35:09 < Steffanx> http://www.daelmansbanket.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/stroopwafel-voor-boven-pagina.jpg
2016-09-08T21:35:20 < Laurenceb> wtf with the stroopwafel
2016-09-08T21:35:37 < Laurenceb> eww caramel
2016-09-08T21:35:39 < Steffanx> one can never have enough of those Laurenceb.
2016-09-08T21:35:41 < Laurenceb> too much sugar 4 me
2016-09-08T21:35:53 < Laurenceb> my heart rate will go crazy and I feel ill
2016-09-08T21:36:02 < Steffanx> better visit a doctor
2016-09-08T21:36:04 < BrainDamage> i'd love to try them
2016-09-08T21:36:46 < kakimir> we need to do stm32 stroopwafel trip to Steffanx
2016-09-08T21:37:09 < Steffanx> i can ship them, i just shipped tectu 4.5kg :P
2016-09-08T21:38:03 < Steffanx> anyway, you are obsessed with 4chan and crap. i have my stroopwafels Laurenceb
2016-09-08T21:38:24 < BrainDamage> he's obsessed with blue waffles instead
2016-09-08T21:38:38 < kakimir> seriously 4.5kg?
2016-09-08T21:38:44 < kakimir> how much it costs?
2016-09-08T21:39:01 < kakimir> like.. +10eur/kg?
2016-09-08T21:39:08 < Steffanx> ~15e, shipping twice that :P
2016-09-08T21:39:46 < kakimir> who paid?
2016-09-08T21:39:54 < Steffanx> me, for now.
2016-09-08T21:46:22 < Laurenceb> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/2c/fd/37/2cfd37f0bc7a636be3100be5a9d4c958.jpg
2016-09-08T21:49:06 < Steffanx> Is it posted by Laurenceb's dick, you can be sure you should not click.
2016-09-08T21:49:47 < Laurenceb> correct
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2016-09-08T21:54:50 < kakimir> thanks for advice lare
2016-09-08T21:55:06 < kakimir> Laurenceb: !
2016-09-08T21:56:42 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4GX-IZdViI dongsland activities
2016-09-08T21:57:10 < englishman> i miss tektu
2016-09-08T21:57:50 < Steffanx> He overworked i think
2016-09-08T21:57:56 < Steffanx> *He's
2016-09-08T21:58:11 < englishman> ah yes skool
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2016-09-08T22:02:07 < Laurenceb> kakimir: but someone flew the english channel in one
2016-09-08T22:02:12 < Laurenceb> they have some way to go
2016-09-08T22:03:34 < kakimir> they do not have proper piloting
2016-09-08T22:04:50 < kakimir> ones that manage to control their flying chair eventually have wing folding over or so
2016-09-08T22:05:43 < kakimir> that wing is almost more of paraglider wing than what we concider fixed wing
2016-09-08T22:05:48 < kakimir> it's so flimsy
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2016-09-08T22:19:58 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ketusOFabb4
2016-09-08T22:22:53 < Rob235> man, I cant figure out what to do
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2016-09-08T22:23:21 < Rob235> how do I handle yaw in angle mode?
2016-09-08T22:23:34 < Rob235> treat it like rate mode?
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2016-09-08T22:24:35 < Rob235> I guess its just setting the D gain (which uses gyro) so high that sounds wrong
2016-09-08T22:24:49 < englishman> yaw is always a rate mode
2016-09-08T22:25:11 < Rob235> so I just need to set D to a value that counteracts what the gyro is reading
2016-09-08T22:25:23 < Rob235> so that it doesn't spin
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2016-09-08T22:30:40 < Rob235> guess I'll find out, goin out in a little bit I think
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2016-09-08T22:54:56 < Lux> actually you don't really need D for the yaw pid
2016-09-08T22:55:16 < Lux> iirc most platforms just use a pi controller now
2016-09-08T22:57:32 < kakimir> kebab paralyzed me
2016-09-08T22:58:17 < Rob235> Lux: the copter will just spin without D
2016-09-08T22:58:51 < Rob235> most platforms use two pid loops, I'm only using one, my D which is based on gyro is like the inner loop
2016-09-08T23:01:53 < Lux> then you are doing something else wrong
2016-09-08T23:02:16 < Rob235> what do you mean?
2016-09-08T23:02:43 < Rob235> because of the spinning?
2016-09-08T23:02:56 < Lux> if your parameters are right with a single pi controller in rate mode for yaw it won't spin
2016-09-08T23:03:12 < Rob235> oh, I know my values are off
2016-09-08T23:03:18 < Rob235> thats what I'm working on
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2016-09-08T23:03:24 < Rob235> im not using rate mode though
2016-09-08T23:03:27 < Lux> if it's spinning I'd increase the integral
2016-09-08T23:04:20 < Rob235> thats where I have a problem, maybe I should split this up into two pid loops
2016-09-08T23:05:06 < Rob235> because I'm using straight up angles and P and I are based on angle error (so both will be zero) the only component that can change things is D
2016-09-08T23:05:45 < Rob235> so I just have to set a large D that will counteract the current spin rate
2016-09-08T23:05:49 < Rob235> I hope
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2016-09-08T23:06:07 < Lux> yeah, that makes sense then
2016-09-08T23:06:17 < Lux> but why don't you just use rate mode ?
2016-09-08T23:06:18 < Rob235> ok good :)
2016-09-08T23:06:33 < Lux> it should be easier to tune that way and basically work better
2016-09-08T23:06:46 < Rob235> I dont know, my sensor board outputs euler angles so I decided to go with angle mode
2016-09-08T23:06:59 < Lux> can't you get the rate too ?
2016-09-08T23:06:59 < Rob235> rate mode is scary to fly in :)
2016-09-08T23:07:18 < Rob235> yea I can read the raw gyro data
2016-09-08T23:07:20 < upgrdman_> i used to really enjoy flying rc helis in rate mode
2016-09-08T23:07:30 < Lux> that's the value you get from the gyro anyway
2016-09-08T23:07:32 < Rob235> yea but not to start with
2016-09-08T23:07:40 < upgrdman_> tail weathervanes, makes it easy to fly around, but not so good in the wind
2016-09-08T23:07:44 < Rob235> rate mode scares me to start with
2016-09-08T23:08:03 < upgrdman_> that's just because you dont know how to fly yet ;)
2016-09-08T23:08:08 < Rob235> so I'm just gonna try increasing D for yaw for now and see how that goes
2016-09-08T23:08:37 < upgrdman_> uh... the I part of a PID loop is what give you "heading hold"
2016-09-08T23:08:57 < kakimir> now I know I only need opto and a pack of resistors for zero point detection
2016-09-08T23:09:17 < kakimir> not seperate bridge at all because there is bidirectional optos
2016-09-08T23:10:36 < Lux> Rob235: but you can do angle mode on roll and pitch and rate on yaw
2016-09-08T23:10:49 < Rob235> yea, thats basically what I'm doing
2016-09-08T23:10:49 < upgrdman_> so im placing an order on amazon for these stroopwafels that you fucks love. i need $10 more of shit to get past the Add On Item limit
2016-09-08T23:10:51 < Lux> once you got it tuned right it won't spin anyway
2016-09-08T23:10:54 < upgrdman_> wtf should i buy
2016-09-08T23:10:55 < Rob235> just not the traditional way I guess
2016-09-08T23:11:24 < Lux> ok, as long as it works out =)
2016-09-08T23:11:36 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: sma connectors
2016-09-08T23:12:24 < Steffanx> lol upgrdman_
2016-09-08T23:12:24 < upgrdman_> lol y
2016-09-08T23:12:37 < Steffanx> what you pay on amazon for that?
2016-09-08T23:12:50 < Steffanx> also there are stroopwafels and there are stroopwafels.
2016-09-08T23:12:51 < upgrdman_> are stroopwafels actually good, or is this some gag where they taste like shit
2016-09-08T23:13:12 < Steffanx> it depends on who made them, but..
2016-09-08T23:13:44 < upgrdman_> Steffanx, im buying a small box because im not sure if i'll like them. $8.63 for 310g https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0118WL700/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AR8XJJ19SNPNX
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2016-09-08T23:13:58 < upgrdman_> but they have bigger ones for like half price per weight
2016-09-08T23:14:05 < Steffanx> oh, those will probably be good.
2016-09-08T23:14:17 < upgrdman_> y? genuine brand?
2016-09-08T23:15:03 < Steffanx> Yeah, kinda, but i never had those :P
2016-09-08T23:15:07 < upgrdman_> k
2016-09-08T23:15:23 < upgrdman_> so whaty culture are they from? swedish?
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2016-09-08T23:15:32 < Steffanx> Dutch. i think
2016-09-08T23:15:46 < upgrdman_> dutch == holland == netherlands, right?
2016-09-08T23:16:01 < Steffanx> Dutch == the netherlands
2016-09-08T23:16:04 < upgrdman_> k
2016-09-08T23:16:28 < Steffanx> holland is a region in the netherlands, yet some people call the netherlands holland
2016-09-08T23:16:37 < upgrdman_> o, TIL
2016-09-08T23:17:15 < BrainDamage> call it benelux to offend everyone
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2016-09-08T23:17:47 < Steffanx> I've still no clue why it's actually benelux.
2016-09-08T23:17:53 < Steffanx> especially the -lux
2016-09-08T23:18:02 < kakimir> luxemburgs
2016-09-08T23:18:14 < englishman> luxurious stroopwafels
2016-09-08T23:19:12 < Steffanx> Yes, but no one feels "connected" to luxembourg. To belgium sure, but mainly because part of it speaks dutch.
2016-09-08T23:19:18 < Steffanx> luxembourg is a weird country.
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2016-09-08T23:19:53 < englishman> much like belgium and the netherlands
2016-09-08T23:20:09 < BrainDamage> belgium is extra weird
2016-09-08T23:21:18 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlwHotpl9DA
2016-09-08T23:21:32 < BrainDamage> it's a bit headache inducing
2016-09-08T23:22:49 < BrainDamage> the pissing statue is a lie tought, there's hundreds of them here
2016-09-08T23:35:04 < englishman> europe is known for its plentiful and high quality pissing statues
2016-09-08T23:36:27 < kakimir> what peak current you usually target your zero detection opto led side?
2016-09-08T23:37:46 < kakimir> I mean we take 10mA and multiply it with 230V and get - 2.3W
2016-09-08T23:40:20 < upgrdman_> so uh do 0.1ma?
2016-09-08T23:40:45 < upgrdman_> modern LEDs dont need much current to light up bright
2016-09-08T23:44:22 < LeelooMinai> IN the isolators, leds tend to need more current.
2016-09-08T23:44:40 < upgrdman_> k
2016-09-08T23:44:46 < upgrdman_> well datasheet should guide you, kak
2016-09-08T23:44:56 < LeelooMinai> They are IR leds, and probably you will need to pamp 10-20mA into them
2016-09-08T23:45:03 < LeelooMinai> pump*
2016-09-08T23:46:20 < upgrdman_> yay, ordered my poopwafels. should be here in 48 hours.
2016-09-08T23:58:32 < kakimir> hard time keeping it under 1W
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2016-09-09T00:00:18 < Sync> Steffanx: I like how philips used to put made in holland on their stuff
2016-09-09T00:00:19 < kakimir> my guru said he had did some 1kV sniffing with series of resistors and diff amp
2016-09-09T00:01:27 < kakimir> 1kV AC
2016-09-09T00:03:59 < kakimir> with opamp at least power dissipation can be minimized
2016-09-09T00:04:29 < kakimir> *diff amp
2016-09-09T00:04:46 < kakimir> some megaohm total resistances can be used
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2016-09-09T01:21:13 < Laurenceb__> wtf my physics journal has gone SJW
2016-09-09T01:21:28 < Laurenceb__>  "the physicist who transitioned from male to female"
2016-09-09T01:21:51 < Laurenceb__>  "exposing gender discrimination in physics"
2016-09-09T01:21:53 < Laurenceb__> etc
2016-09-09T01:22:26 < Laurenceb__> it will be furry physics at this rate
2016-09-09T01:23:08 < BrainDamage> you can always simply not give a shit, unless they start pestering you personally
2016-09-09T01:23:39 < Laurenceb__>  soon: "is my string theory racist"
2016-09-09T01:23:41 < LeelooMinai> lol, pestering how - require him to turn into a furry? :p
2016-09-09T01:24:40 < Laurenceb__> I paid annual subscription to be sent this stuff
2016-09-09T01:24:41 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb__: If you find this disturbing, the chance is that it's your problem, not theirs imo
2016-09-09T01:24:52 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QeBLgQZNPw
2016-09-09T01:24:56 < BrainDamage> no, rejecting articles due to not being politically corrct, where a sjw's concept of political correctness can be a bit skewed
2016-09-09T01:25:02 < Laurenceb__> I dont care, I just want to read about physics
2016-09-09T01:25:25 < ds2> is this a new application of the uncertainity principle?
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2016-09-09T01:26:01 < Laurenceb__> ... entangled genders
2016-09-09T01:26:02 < Laurenceb__> ewww
2016-09-09T01:26:23 < BrainDamage> first you need to check if they are commutable operators
2016-09-09T01:27:29 < Thorn> commutator rape!
2016-09-09T01:28:38 < Laurenceb__> so will anyone from ##stm32 be attending ukhas2016 this weekend?
2016-09-09T01:28:59  * Laurenceb__ booked a ticket, UKP10, then about UKP100 on rail fares O_o
2016-09-09T01:29:57 < BrainDamage> it's only 1000km away from me, otherwise i'd totally pay a visit to troll you
2016-09-09T01:31:07 < Laurenceb__> uk trains suck massively
2016-09-09T01:31:54 < Laurenceb__> they are supposed to be doing more electrification and upgrades to 150mph, but then each upgrade project keeps being cancelled/restarted due to "High Speed 2"
2016-09-09T01:32:09 < LeelooMinai> I imagine they are bad during some football matches:)
2016-09-09T01:32:10 < Laurenceb__> which is never going to get built, and as a result nothing else gets built either
2016-09-09T01:32:21 < BrainDamage> here the network is >95% electrified
2016-09-09T01:32:35 < Laurenceb__> same in most sane countries
2016-09-09T01:32:42 < BrainDamage> but we also have other infra problems which we are ignoring
2016-09-09T01:32:51 < BrainDamage> in order to put money into high speed rail
2016-09-09T01:32:55 < BrainDamage> because future
2016-09-09T01:33:04 < Laurenceb__> I would be cool with 150pmh and electrified
2016-09-09T01:33:14 < Laurenceb__> but because of HS2 its all being cancelled
2016-09-09T01:33:24 < LeelooMinai> No Hyperloop? :)
2016-09-09T01:33:34 < BrainDamage> shhhh
2016-09-09T01:33:40 < BrainDamage> hyperloop triggers him
2016-09-09T01:33:46 < Laurenceb__> lulz
2016-09-09T01:33:52 < Laurenceb__> in my safe space
2016-09-09T01:33:58 < Laurenceb__> where noone can hurt me
2016-09-09T01:35:39 < Laurenceb__> emdrive subreddit unironically described themselves as a safe space
2016-09-09T01:36:04 < Thorn> osiris-rex launch http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv
2016-09-09T01:37:05 < Laurenceb__> wtf is it?
2016-09-09T01:37:21 < LeelooMinai> Some asteroid nimbling spacecraft launch
2016-09-09T01:37:24 < Laurenceb__> irl jurassic park?
2016-09-09T01:37:55 < Laurenceb__> inb4 spacex style xplosion
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2016-09-09T01:39:05 < BrainDamage> i'm always rooting for the explosions
2016-09-09T01:39:15 < BrainDamage> especially since it's not my money going into smoke
2016-09-09T01:39:44  * LeelooMinai imagines part of the exploded rocket landing on BrainDamage's house
2016-09-09T01:39:59 < Thorn> fireworks are best when they happen at some altitude
2016-09-09T01:40:28  * Laurenceb__ suspects LOX condensed from air into cork insulation of spacex stage 2
2016-09-09T01:40:44 < Laurenceb__> I hope they wouldnt be that stupid, but I can't see why it wouldnt happen
2016-09-09T01:42:03 < Thorn> ##stm32 Rogers commission: we don't have Feynman but we have Laurenceb__
2016-09-09T01:42:34 < Laurenceb__> heh
2016-09-09T01:42:53 < Laurenceb__> I did actually wonder about this when I first saw the subcooled LOX design
2016-09-09T01:43:10 < Laurenceb__> but assumed they must have some way to seal the corkboard covering
2016-09-09T01:43:59 < paul__> does anyone know how the swstm32 makefiles are generated, such as Debug/Src/subdir.mk, from a STM32CubeMX generated project?
2016-09-09T01:44:00 < Laurenceb__> but some soggy chucks were photographed falling off a recovered stage 1 that got rained on
2016-09-09T01:45:01 < paul__> I delete the "-Os", but as soon as I rebuild the file is generated again, and I can't find it in the options, the .profile, or the main makefile
2016-09-09T01:45:40 < Rickta59> you are using "System Workbench" paul__ ?
2016-09-09T01:46:01 < paul__> Rickta59, yup
2016-09-09T01:46:30 < Rickta59> when you build in System Workbench it regens those files based on your settings
2016-09-09T01:46:31 < paul__> .project not .profile file
2016-09-09T01:46:52 < Rickta59> right click on the project and you can configure the C/C++ settings
2016-09-09T01:47:09 < Rickta59> there is an optimization setting
2016-09-09T01:47:18 < Rickta59> that sets the -Os
2016-09-09T01:47:27 < Rickta59> or -O1 .. or whatever
2016-09-09T01:48:15 < Rickta59> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4207625/setting-optimization-flags-in-eclipse-cdt
2016-09-09T01:48:34 < Rickta59> Project Properties -> C/C++ Build -> Settings -> Tool Settings
2016-09-09T01:48:50 < Rickta59> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26689632/how-to-change-the-optimization-level-with-eclipse-cdt-mingw
2016-09-09T01:49:24 < Rickta59> google keywords . eclipse cdt optimization
2016-09-09T01:49:28 < Sync> Laurenceb__: I like how the lox tank says "non flammable liquid"
2016-09-09T01:49:33 < Sync> which is ... true but eh
2016-09-09T01:50:09 < Laurenceb__> well cork + LOX + corkboard binders = boom
2016-09-09T01:50:52 < Laurenceb__> according to reddit rumours "something blew up on the outside skin of the tank"
2016-09-09T01:52:21 < englishman> thanks reddit
2016-09-09T01:52:28 < Laurenceb__> this is supposedly leaks from staff, and they "cant work out what exploded"
2016-09-09T01:52:45 < englishman> reddit thought a dead 14 year old cripple did the boston bombing
2016-09-09T01:52:53 < Laurenceb__> lulz
2016-09-09T01:53:01 < Laurenceb__> and the creepy pedoguy
2016-09-09T01:53:19 < Laurenceb__> I must admit I spotted creepy pedoguy immediately
2016-09-09T01:53:41 < Laurenceb__> turns out he was a maths teacher, lul stereotypes
2016-09-09T01:54:03 < Thorn> "after the Challenger disaster, NASA is investigating why the right SRB exploded, and KGB is investigating why the left one didn't."
2016-09-09T01:54:39 < englishman> ha
2016-09-09T01:54:53 < Laurenceb__> Putin did Challlenger
2016-09-09T01:54:55 < BrainDamage> reddit isn't an unified entity for which factual correctness can be translated across the board :p
2016-09-09T01:54:59 < Laurenceb__> the ebil putin
2016-09-09T01:55:05 < Thorn> (Soviet anecdote from the 80s)
2016-09-09T01:55:12 < englishman> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#public
2016-09-09T01:55:15 < englishman> 10min from lanch
2016-09-09T01:55:15 < LeelooMinai> 7 year journey, pff
2016-09-09T01:55:30 < Laurenceb__> 10min now
2016-09-09T01:55:37 < englishman> tahts what i said
2016-09-09T01:55:39 < Laurenceb__> wtf is going on with their count"down"
2016-09-09T01:56:01 < englishman> maybe they had to reboot lunix to apply kernel patch
2016-09-09T01:56:04 < Laurenceb__> moar liek count random walk
2016-09-09T01:56:07 < Sync> their countdown is rather strange
2016-09-09T01:57:50 < LeelooMinai> Status check, solar radiation normal, arduino sketch uploaded
2016-09-09T01:58:23 < Laurenceb__> while(1) ;
2016-09-09T01:58:43 < Laurenceb__> busywaitforlaunchgpio();
2016-09-09T01:59:00 < englishman> lots of greybeards up in there
2016-09-09T01:59:33 < LeelooMinai> on guy had to be different and said "ready to proceed" instead of go
2016-09-09T01:59:56 < Laurenceb__> omg it has live chat
2016-09-09T02:00:03 < Laurenceb__> thats like a red flag to trolls
2016-09-09T02:00:31 < Laurenceb__> those towers look similar to spacex
2016-09-09T02:00:51 < LeelooMinai> What hole, it's not in a hole...
2016-09-09T02:01:00 < LeelooMinai> O, wait, "hold", lol
2016-09-09T02:01:05 < englishman> that would suck to be a groundskeeper there
2016-09-09T02:01:08 < englishman> the grass is so nice
2016-09-09T02:01:20 < englishman> only to have to remove all the scorch marks every month
2016-09-09T02:01:24 < Laurenceb__> unlike spacex grass
2016-09-09T02:01:47 < LeelooMinai> It looked like thhe whole area is in the middle or some marsh/bog/watery area
2016-09-09T02:01:49 < englishman> where they remove the scorch marks ever week?
2016-09-09T02:02:04 < englishman> LeelooMinai: that pretty much describes all of florida south of jax
2016-09-09T02:02:12 < Sync> just paint the grass englishman
2016-09-09T02:02:14 < Laurenceb__> LeelooMinai: no shit, its cape Canaveral
2016-09-09T02:02:20 < Sync> I heard the americans are good at that
2016-09-09T02:02:23 < LeelooMinai> Weird, as I would think that's not a stable ground
2016-09-09T02:02:34 < englishman> its not, it gets washed out to sea every 30 years or so
2016-09-09T02:02:38 < Sync> if you pour a large enough slab it is stable
2016-09-09T02:02:44 < Laurenceb__> my brother lives just up the coast
2016-09-09T02:02:47 < englishman> thats why every home is a mobile home
2016-09-09T02:03:07 < Laurenceb__> works for wildlife service in wetland, alligators and shit lol
2016-09-09T02:03:31 < Sync> I would laugh if the rocket pulls a proton and hits the assembly building
2016-09-09T02:03:45 < Laurenceb__> it's a very good habitat
2016-09-09T02:03:47  * LeelooMinai imagines emergency where the astronout has to eject and is chaced by an alligator
2016-09-09T02:03:59 < Laurenceb__> supposedly the proton was deliberately sabotaged
2016-09-09T02:04:17 < Sync> says who?
2016-09-09T02:04:29 < Laurenceb__> by anti Putin guys
2016-09-09T02:04:35 < Laurenceb__> prob pro Putin guys lol
2016-09-09T02:04:36 < Sync> pfft
2016-09-09T02:04:40 < LeelooMinai> No one knows who, as he always had aluminum hat on the head
2016-09-09T02:04:46 < Laurenceb__> well a connector was reversed
2016-09-09T02:05:01 < Laurenceb__> and mating slots had to be filed off for it to fit
2016-09-09T02:05:12 < englishman> ........
2016-09-09T02:05:35 < LeelooMinai> The birds look startled for some reason
2016-09-09T02:07:31 < Sync> Laurenceb__: pix
2016-09-09T02:07:36 < Sync> or rather links
2016-09-09T02:08:19 < Laurenceb__> dunno just hear this
2016-09-09T02:08:29 < Thorn> not just connectors http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lanceurs/proton/partie2/2fig4-5b.jpg
2016-09-09T02:08:31 < englishman> http://www.russianspaceweb.com/proton_glonass49.html
2016-09-09T02:08:59 < englishman> The improper installation apparently required some considerable physical effort, which, somehow did not raise any alarm at GKNPTs Khrunichev's assembly plant in Moscow.
2016-09-09T02:11:31 < paul__> Rickta59, thank you!
2016-09-09T02:13:02 < englishman> yuri was having a bad day that day
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2016-09-09T02:22:45 < LeelooMinai> I like how they have telemetrics in miles, feets, and nautical miles
2016-09-09T02:23:07 < LeelooMinai> Just so no one knows what's going on
2016-09-09T02:24:34 < Thorn> An acre is the area of a rectangle whose length is one furlong and whose width is one chain.
2016-09-09T02:25:33 < BrainDamage> just use this handy conversion chart https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/English_length_units_graph.png
2016-09-09T02:25:40 < BrainDamage> simple, no?
2016-09-09T02:26:23 < Laurenceb__> launch went ok?
2016-09-09T02:26:32 < BrainDamage> yes
2016-09-09T02:26:34  * Laurenceb__ doesnt have enough download to watch
2016-09-09T02:26:35 < Laurenceb__> cool
2016-09-09T02:26:50 < LeelooMinai> Now all one has to do is wait 7 years
2016-09-09T02:26:58 < Thorn> no mils?
2016-09-09T02:27:11 < BrainDamage> altought my personal gripe is th obsession of americans with fractions
2016-09-09T02:27:21 < Sync> Laurenceb__: looks like there were pins in the assembly
2016-09-09T02:27:29 < Sync> but you could force it to fit 180°
2016-09-09T02:27:44 < Sync> the deformations could be attributed to the crash itself
2016-09-09T02:27:55 < LeelooMinai> BrainDamage: You mean non-decimal fractions:)
2016-09-09T02:27:56 < BrainDamage> because i can take a caliper and measure a bolt diameter, but that wil tell me fucking nothing about which stoned fraction best appoximates it
2016-09-09T02:28:25 < LeelooMinai> BrainDamage: That's why my caliper has three modes - mm, inch and fraction:P
2016-09-09T02:29:07 < BrainDamage> mine doesn't and even if it did, it'd only set back off slightly the rage
2016-09-09T02:30:10 < LeelooMinai> BrainDamage: They are not China-cheap, but a researched them befor buying (someone did tests), and they are great: https://www.amazon.ca/iGaging-0-6-Inch-Display-Digital-Caliper/dp/B001AQEZ2W
2016-09-09T02:30:47 < Thorn> pin marks http://www.russianspaceweb.com/images/rockets/proton/glonass49_crash/recovered_plate_1.jpg
2016-09-09T02:35:30 < Sync> those look like regular chinese calipers
2016-09-09T02:36:09 < LeelooMinai> They look like calipers...
2016-09-09T02:36:20 < LeelooMinai> But are not "regular Chinese" ones
2016-09-09T02:37:40 < LeelooMinai> They are cheaper than Japanese Mitutoyo ones or something that class with comparable accuracy.
2016-09-09T02:38:38 < LeelooMinai> I think I watched this befor buying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqZx_FNbSs
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2016-09-09T02:45:06 < Sync> accuracy is not really the issue with even the cheapest
2016-09-09T02:45:25 < LeelooMinai> Ok, repeatibility
2016-09-09T02:46:25 < LeelooMinai> If you watch the video you will see that they guy measured at different points in the jaws and compared too - that also tells if they are well built/assembled/checked
2016-09-09T02:47:07 < LeelooMinai> You can always just pay a lot of money and buy Mitutoyo or other Starret, but, well, not everyone is rich:)
2016-09-09T02:48:52 < Rob235> I didn't break any props today :)
2016-09-09T02:49:38 < Sync> suprisingly starretts digital calipers are shit
2016-09-09T02:49:57 < LeelooMinai> Right, I don't know about them much - they are made in US?
2016-09-09T02:50:36 < Laurenceb__> most calipers I've got are very nice
2016-09-09T02:50:53 < Laurenceb__> but I have one cheap chinese pair that seem to have some sort of debouncing issue
2016-09-09T02:50:56 < Sync> http://www.starrett.com/metrology/product-detail/metrology/metrology-products/precision-measuring-tools/slide-calipers/Electronic-Calipers/EC799A-6~150 just look at them
2016-09-09T02:51:01 < LeelooMinai> Well, I have cheap Chinese ones too - they are not super-terrible, but not as solid as those iGage
2016-09-09T02:51:01 < Laurenceb__> they are virtually unusable
2016-09-09T02:51:19 < Sync> I must say that I dislike starrett stuff
2016-09-09T02:51:24 < Sync> it rusts like mad
2016-09-09T02:51:26 < Laurenceb__> calipers seem fairly digital
2016-09-09T02:51:34 < Laurenceb__> either do the job or epic fail
2016-09-09T02:51:55 < LeelooMinai> lol, well, no - it's all in the machining and quality control
2016-09-09T02:51:56 < Sync> yeah, I had a lot of the bottom bucket ones, they were all ok
2016-09-09T02:52:04 < Sync> but they died after a year in the shop
2016-09-09T02:52:34 < LeelooMinai> They mmay be digital, but that does not count much if your jaws are out of alignment or you have play in the system
2016-09-09T02:52:59 < LeelooMinai> Or someone ground the edges wrong
2016-09-09T02:53:17 < Sync> alignment usually is on point, but some of them have play, but I got all of them adjusted well
2016-09-09T02:53:26 < Sync> I never had one that was ground very far off
2016-09-09T02:53:31 < Sync> they are easy things to grind
2016-09-09T02:53:48 < Sync> things they forget is the depth spike or the top
2016-09-09T02:53:57 < Sync> and the inside prongs
2016-09-09T02:54:05 < Sync> but those are for indication only anyway
2016-09-09T02:54:16 < LeelooMinai> In the video cheap Chinese ones would give different measurements depending on which part of the jaw you used
2016-09-09T02:54:31 < Sync> yes because they are not adjusted well
2016-09-09T02:55:33 < LeelooMinai> They are still good for the price
2016-09-09T02:55:50 < LeelooMinai> Better than a ruler:)
2016-09-09T02:56:40 < Sync> I just get a mitutoyo whenever I drop mine so hard that it is unusable
2016-09-09T02:56:49 < Laurenceb__> the chinese ones have always been good enough for me apart from when they were unusable
2016-09-09T02:57:04 < Laurenceb__> but maybe I don't have exacting requirements
2016-09-09T02:58:11 < Sync> if it gets interesting I'll get the micrometers out
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2016-09-09T03:01:48 < Laurenceb__> Putin 2016
2016-09-09T03:03:34 < Laurenceb__> Ukraine will pay for the wall
2016-09-09T03:06:48 < Rob235> uploading my last flight of the day to youtube...
2016-09-09T03:22:58 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/QI-EvEFcpMs
2016-09-09T03:23:26 < Lux> Rob235: congrats!
2016-09-09T03:23:36 < Rob235> thanks :)
2016-09-09T03:23:42 < Rob235> im very happy
2016-09-09T03:24:00 < Lux> still needs a bit of tuning, but looks good
2016-09-09T03:24:51 < Rob235> yea definitely isn't fully tuned and I think I want to alter the sticks reaction from straight up linear to a slight curve or something but its on its way
2016-09-09T03:25:29 < Lux> you probably want some deadband too if you haven't done that allready
2016-09-09T03:25:52 < Lux> the sticks never center exactly to 0
2016-09-09T03:25:54 < Rob235> yea, just not sure its a good level
2016-09-09T03:26:15 < Rob235> I have it set to 15 on a 172 to 1811 range
2016-09-09T03:27:38 < Lux> just check what the actual values on your remote are and go from there
2016-09-09T03:27:59 < Lux> 15 seems sensible
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2016-09-09T03:46:40 < Laurenceb__> wow nice
2016-09-09T03:46:45 < Laurenceb__> just needed PID tuning?
2016-09-09T03:47:01 < Laurenceb__> one lag fell off?
2016-09-09T03:47:04 < Laurenceb__> *leg
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2016-09-09T03:56:47 < Rob235> yea
2016-09-09T03:56:50 < Rob235> it was all PID
2016-09-09T03:57:03 < Rob235> hopefully I can fix up this leg somehow
2016-09-09T03:57:07 < Laurenceb__> nice
2016-09-09T03:57:10 < Laurenceb__> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=40959.0;attach=1367013;image
2016-09-09T03:57:15 < Laurenceb__> emdrive guys are scary
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2016-09-09T04:10:18 < dongs> is that a giant sparkplug
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2016-09-09T04:39:13 < Rob235> dongs: https://youtu.be/QI-EvEFcpMs
2016-09-09T04:39:34 < dongs> seen
2016-09-09T04:39:46 < Rob235> :O
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2016-09-09T05:03:56 < ReadErr> dongs: now everyone thinks im a fed :(
2016-09-09T05:04:57 < englishman> with good reason
2016-09-09T05:11:27 < upgrdman> nice stress relief ball  http://www.designboom.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ezgif-1856792133.gif
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2016-09-09T08:16:43 < stvn> sup stm32
2016-09-09T08:23:24 < dongs> stm32f0'ing
2016-09-09T08:23:42 < LeelooMinai> I am stm32L4'ing
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2016-09-09T08:27:12 < stvn> nice
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2016-09-09T08:31:01 < stvn> just smashin the skylake dog http://i.imgur.com/3NSP3XX.jpg
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2016-09-09T08:34:39 < dongs> https://www.fairchildsemi.com/datasheets/FU/FUSB302.pdf looks like this will be a better choice than trying to decipher ST's shitty software
2016-09-09T08:35:17 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-09T08:35:34 < stvn> you wouldn't try to reverse engineer / disasm the stm shit would you?
2016-09-09T08:39:05 < dongs> i would if I had to
2016-09-09T08:39:12 < dongs> pluys there's google chromium impl
2016-09-09T08:39:20 < dongs> but its about as quality reading as disasem'd code
2016-09-09T08:39:38 < dongs> STM32_FUCKOFF_REG = 1<<31;
2016-09-09T08:44:09 < upgrdman> stvn, nice bg pic
2016-09-09T08:46:57 < stvn> rofl there is this ad on the radio calling people filling up their tank "pumpers"
2016-09-09T08:47:11 < stvn> upgrdman: yeah that was for senpai
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2016-09-09T11:14:46 < ReadErr> grabbed a flir e4 for 500 dollhairs
2016-09-09T11:25:20 < dongs> lol flir
2016-09-09T11:25:27 < dongs> thermapp is where its at
2016-09-09T11:25:31 < dongs> flir is toy garbage
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2016-09-09T11:35:06 < Steffann> And thats what you have i guess?
2016-09-09T11:52:35 < qyx> wat thermapp
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2016-09-09T12:17:38 < Laurenceb__> its the cork /b/ro
2016-09-09T12:17:40 < Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/774150065166229504
2016-09-09T12:19:13 < Laurenceb__> stupid twitter comments are worse than youtube
2016-09-09T12:22:51 < Laurenceb__> @ashwin7002:
2016-09-09T12:22:51 < Laurenceb__>     there are some videos on YouTube claiming something hit the rocket. Any reality there?
2016-09-09T12:22:51 < Laurenceb__> @elonmusk:
2016-09-09T12:22:51 < Laurenceb__>     We have not ruled that out.
2016-09-09T12:22:52 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2016-09-09T12:23:08 < Laurenceb__> missile from Putin confirmed
2016-09-09T12:23:43 < Laurenceb__> Trump did Falcon9
2016-09-09T12:24:16 < LeelooMinai> Went to check up the thing on youtube and so far I can only see videos about UFO destroying that rocket:p
2016-09-09T12:25:03 < Laurenceb__> yeah thats a bird
2016-09-09T12:25:20 < Laurenceb__> explosion does look a bit like a shoulder launched missile...
2016-09-09T12:26:38  * LeelooMinai considres googling "a bird launches RPG at the Falcon 9"
2016-09-09T12:26:54 < PeterM> dude, watcj pit. jte approximate parabolic shape of your tinfoiul hat will actually help focus the mind control rays.
2016-09-09T12:27:08 < PeterM> *dude watch out
2016-09-09T12:28:59 < Laurenceb__> lulz
2016-09-09T12:29:13 < Laurenceb__> RPG woudn't have enough range
2016-09-09T12:29:53 < LeelooMinai> That's why aliens attached it to a mind controlled bird, duh
2016-09-09T12:30:17 < Laurenceb__> but for the money it would add to the Russian economy it'd be cheap to have someone sneak near the pad with a small missile launcher, similar to the ones circulating by the hundreds in Syria
2016-09-09T12:30:22 < Laurenceb__>  /tinfoil modes
2016-09-09T12:31:34 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, you seem active in here lately, #fpga too boring?
2016-09-09T12:31:35 < Laurenceb__> damn why didn't I think of this, could have offered to do it for one BILLLIOOONN DOLLARZ
2016-09-09T12:32:10 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: I sit on few channels, and mostly nothing happens anywhere anyways;)
2016-09-09T12:32:12 < Laurenceb__> and then just claimed "it was totally ISIS that did it"
2016-09-09T12:32:24 < Sync> Laurenceb__: multicopter mounted RPG
2016-09-09T12:32:28 < Sync> it is obv.
2016-09-09T12:32:42 < Laurenceb__> obvious "maker" is obvious
2016-09-09T12:33:00 < PeterM> pssh, nah, no way, it was the damn mexicans, thjeir taco maounted RPG
2016-09-09T12:33:29 < Laurenceb__> maybe it was ancient, time travelling aliens
2016-09-09T12:33:49 < Laurenceb__> or explosive chemitrail accumulation
2016-09-09T12:34:01 < PeterM> maybe, but maybe is was hipsters, using old and out of dcate parts to be cool
2016-09-09T12:34:38 < Laurenceb__> well actually as most of his employees seem pretty hipsterish...
2016-09-09T12:34:49 < Sync> Laurenceb__: the bgm71 has 3750m range
2016-09-09T12:35:28 < Laurenceb__> yeah and they are basically airdropping them on Syria
2016-09-09T12:35:57 < PeterM> most MANPADS can do 5000m
2016-09-09T12:35:58 < Laurenceb__> totally couldn't backfire
2016-09-09T12:36:51 < PeterM> super cheap Iglas could do it jsut fine, especially because its already a huige IR target
2016-09-09T12:37:38 < Laurenceb__> it was supercooled with liquid oxygen...
2016-09-09T12:38:00 < Sync> dunno how the iglas tracking shits works
2016-09-09T12:38:03 < Sync> gotta read the manual
2016-09-09T12:38:07 < Laurenceb__> heh
2016-09-09T12:38:21 < Sync> well, there are leaked tech manuals of them on the interwobs
2016-09-09T12:38:24 < Laurenceb__> hmm most missiles would show up on the 60fps video
2016-09-09T12:38:52 < Laurenceb__> the field of view is quite wide
2016-09-09T12:38:53 < daey> Laurenceb__: is there a 60fps video? the bird jumps across the screen in like 5 frames
2016-09-09T12:39:03 < Laurenceb__> daey: telephoto lens
2016-09-09T12:39:14 < daey> Laurenceb__: and?
2016-09-09T12:39:31 < Laurenceb__> birds near the lens seem to move at v high speed
2016-09-09T12:39:52 < daey> but according to some vid the bird passes behind the right pole *not sure if true*
2016-09-09T12:40:03 < daey> that would imply the framerate is rather low
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2016-09-09T12:43:31 < daey> its obvious what happened here, someone quickscoped the rocket with a 50 .cal
2016-09-09T12:53:35 < Laurenceb__> https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/51wa5y/particularly_trying_to_understand_the_quieter/?st=isvl49ve&sh=d4c4a3b1
2016-09-09T12:53:47 < Laurenceb__> sounds on audio aren't local O_o
2016-09-09T12:54:04 < Laurenceb__> mystery intensifies
2016-09-09T12:57:56 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/a/REb81
2016-09-09T12:58:06 < Laurenceb__> *x-files theme*
2016-09-09T12:59:17 < Laurenceb__> how do I seconds on time axis
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2016-09-09T13:03:45 < karlp> Laurenceb__: what does russian economy gain from blowing up spacex rockets?
2016-09-09T13:04:35 < Laurenceb__> if they put the pad out of action, more Proton sales
2016-09-09T13:05:15 < karlp> is that actually realistic?
2016-09-09T13:05:59 < Laurenceb__> maybe...
2016-09-09T13:06:16 < Laurenceb__> market is quite elastic and stuff is booked a v long time in advance
2016-09-09T13:06:26 < Laurenceb__> but it might help
2016-09-09T13:07:20 < Laurenceb__> they might get a boost a few years down the line
2016-09-09T13:08:06 < Laurenceb__> as spacex now have big backlog issues
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2016-09-09T13:21:40 < Steffann> And you consider those twitter replies stupid Laurenceb__ ?
2016-09-09T13:22:40 < Steffann> *comments
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2016-09-09T14:15:47 < daey> i had no idea theres another big private venture that does space cargo transports
2016-09-09T14:16:08 < daey> and they seem bigger/more advanced than spacex as well o0
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2016-09-09T14:28:49 < stvn> please
2016-09-09T14:30:36 < Laurenceb__> go and troll Mr Musk on twitter
2016-09-09T14:30:51 < stvn> who the fuck is that
2016-09-09T14:31:06 < Laurenceb__> report@spacex.com
2016-09-09T14:31:15 < Laurenceb__> setting himself up to be trolled
2016-09-09T14:31:16 < stvn> oh better leave him alone
2016-09-09T14:31:45 < stvn> ask him where to bury those 20 billion lipo cells
2016-09-09T14:31:47 < Laurenceb__> need a nyan falcon9
2016-09-09T14:32:12 < stvn> hackkiten
2016-09-09T14:32:16 < Laurenceb__> http://funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/3386726/Nyan+11#1c2025_3386282
2016-09-09T14:33:03 < stvn> u pumpin
2016-09-09T14:33:04 < Steffann> Best joke of the week Laurenceb__ .
2016-09-09T14:33:26 < stvn> sup brother steffan
2016-09-09T14:33:33 < Steffann> You did that wallpaper for us and us only stvn ?
2016-09-09T14:33:37 < Steffann> Tha sky brah
2016-09-09T14:33:45 < stvn>  yes Steffann
2016-09-09T14:33:55 < Steffann> Such dedication
2016-09-09T14:34:06 < Steffann> You deserve a stroopwafel
2016-09-09T14:34:14 < stvn>  brother dong said i was a pumper
2016-09-09T14:35:12 < Steffann> Pumpers know how to spot the other brothers in the business.
2016-09-09T14:35:36 < stvn> indeed
2016-09-09T14:35:56 < stvn> that was a discovery of mine during my research
2016-09-09T14:36:02 < stvn> takes a pumper to know a pumper
2016-09-09T14:36:47 < Steffann> :D
2016-09-09T14:37:21 < stvn> the internet also told me he has an affinity to homosexual african americas
2016-09-09T14:37:29 < stvn> americans
2016-09-09T14:41:38 < stvn> hows that
2016-09-09T14:46:23 < BrainDamage> you can support other people's right to troll without having necessarily to benefit directly yourself
2016-09-09T14:49:03 < Steffann> Not sure what try to say BrainDamage. Is it like: better stop it?
2016-09-09T14:49:53 < BrainDamage> i intentionally left it ambigous with a double sense
2016-09-09T14:53:27 < Steffann> Awh. Whatever you said. I think you are right.
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2016-09-09T14:56:03 < Laurenceb__> stroopwafel will give you diabetes
2016-09-09T14:56:10 < Laurenceb__> but I prob already have it lol
2016-09-09T14:56:52 < Laurenceb__> yesterday I ate 2x caramel shortcake and felt very ill
2016-09-09T14:56:55 < Laurenceb__> bad idea
2016-09-09T14:57:06 < Steffann> Too many maybe. One can compensate by not too much other crap and stuff
2016-09-09T14:57:15 < Steffann> Not eating*
2016-09-09T14:57:34 < BrainDamage> didn't just yesteday you said you disliked caramel?
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2016-09-09T14:57:51 < Laurenceb__> yes, after eating the caramel shortcake
2016-09-09T14:57:52 < Laurenceb__> lol
2016-09-09T14:58:16 < Laurenceb__> looked up the calorie count and the energy density was close to  petrol
2016-09-09T14:58:41 < Laurenceb__> no wonder I felt ill
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2016-09-09T14:59:51 < Steffann> Better home doctor and ebay  a glucose meter
2016-09-09T15:00:38 < Laurenceb__> yeah I need to excercise more
2016-09-09T15:00:43 < Laurenceb__> and spell better
2016-09-09T15:00:48 < Steffann> Wasnt it just a placdbo effect?
2016-09-09T15:00:55 < Laurenceb__> maybe
2016-09-09T15:01:22 < Laurenceb__> eating little and exercising little is my current lifestyle
2016-09-09T15:01:39 < stvn> i got diabeeetus
2016-09-09T15:01:54 < jpa-> i exercise quite a bit and eating too much sugar still makes me feel bad
2016-09-09T15:02:08 < jpa-> seems pretty normal and healthy, means that you aren't sugar addict normally
2016-09-09T15:03:01 < Steffann> Hah
2016-09-09T15:03:31 < Steffann> Ebike exercise does not count jpa-
2016-09-09T15:03:46 < jpa-> no ebike in summer
2016-09-09T15:03:46 < Sync> it does if you only use the motor to recuperate energy
2016-09-09T15:04:09 < jpa-> Steffann: you are welcome to try whether ebike exercise counts in winter :)
2016-09-09T15:04:33 < Steffann> Ok.
2016-09-09T15:04:43 < Steffann> Is it winter there yet?
2016-09-09T15:04:52 < jpa-> nope, check back in january
2016-09-09T15:05:13 < BrainDamage> biking in winter sucks ball
2016-09-09T15:05:19 < jpa-> nah, it's nice enough
2016-09-09T15:05:25 < jpa-> not as nice as in summer of course
2016-09-09T15:05:31 < stvn> whos sucking who now?
2016-09-09T15:05:34 < BrainDamage> not so much the temp, than the grime and dirt
2016-09-09T15:05:45 < stvn> you mexicans are weird
2016-09-09T15:05:53 < jpa-> i wear clothes
2016-09-09T15:06:09 < BrainDamage> so do i, and i turn into a mud snowman
2016-09-09T15:06:12 < jpa-> then i take the top layer off when i come inside, and the grime stays with it
2016-09-09T15:07:35 < Sync> innovative concept
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2016-09-09T15:08:35 < jpa-> (though in reality here the bike paths are pretty well maintained even in winter, so only my (outer) trousers get some sand on them
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2016-09-09T15:24:29 < PaulFertser> jpa-: how cold is it during the winters for you normally? I find it hard to go over 15-20 km/h when it's lower than -10C or so.
2016-09-09T15:24:32 < dongs> anyone know what ha ppens to the dual nfet I2C level shifter when one side is pwoered down?
2016-09-09T15:25:46 < karlp> hehe nyan11
2016-09-09T15:27:16 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/2GbKC1n.png this one particularly. if I cut 5V suply with pfet / whatever
2016-09-09T15:27:28 < dongs> what happens to 3V lines, will  they get pulled down or anything affect
2016-09-09T15:35:06 < BrainDamage> if you cut the 5V supply the zeros on the data lines the 5V side will still be able to pull down the data lines on the 3V, also the 5V side will remain partially powered at ~3.3V-Vgs when the 3V side is at 1
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2016-09-09T15:40:11 < jpa-> PaulFertser: -10C is pretty average, -25C usually the lowest it goes
2016-09-09T15:40:21 < jpa-> had one morning of -30C last winter
2016-09-09T15:40:33 < jpa-> PaulFertser: what makes it hard?
2016-09-09T15:41:18 < PaulFertser> jpa-: impressive. I'd say it's about the same here in moscow. Too cold for my head mostly, and the faster, the colder obviously. I guess I do not have the right gear though.
2016-09-09T15:41:42 < jpa-> yeah, i have a scarf that covers whole face except eyes, and protective glasses for eyes
2016-09-09T15:42:15 < BrainDamage> what's the humidity tought?
2016-09-09T15:42:34 < PaulFertser> I use just a fleece balaclava + regular helmet, and regular looking glasses.
2016-09-09T15:42:34 < karlp> heh, coldest I've ridden in here was like 0.  -5 is a cold arse day in reykjavik
2016-09-09T15:43:14 < PaulFertser> karlp: but it must be mad humid there, I've heard?
2016-09-09T15:43:20  * karlp shrugs
2016-09-09T15:43:25 < karlp> not like brisbane australia
2016-09-09T15:43:44 < karlp> no-one really talks about humidity much here.
2016-09-09T15:44:26 < PaulFertser> I've read motorbikers trip reports and all of them mentioned it's pretty cold.
2016-09-09T15:45:02 < karlp> what sort of humidity is "crazy humid" for winter for you?
2016-09-09T15:46:04 < karlp> weatherspark says we're normally 65%ish in winter?
2016-09-09T15:46:19 < PaulFertser> I don't really know the numbers but the level of humidity is clearly affecting the "feels like" temperature.
2016-09-09T15:46:33 < BrainDamage> 65% will suck a bit
2016-09-09T15:46:40 < BrainDamage> 85% starts become oppressive
2016-09-09T15:46:47 < karlp> same site says moscow is more humid in winter, less humid ins ummer than reykjavik
2016-09-09T15:47:13 < PaulFertser> So even -25C on a sunny day is okish usually when it's not windy.
2016-09-09T15:47:46 < karlp> wind is the only weather that really matters in iceland :)
2016-09-09T15:48:00 < karlp> if it's not windy, it's normally "fine"
2016-09-09T15:48:12 < PaulFertser> karlp: were you looking at ~Jan-Feb?
2016-09-09T15:48:13 < karlp> I'm still wearing shorts, though it's dropping under 10 in the mornings now.
2016-09-09T15:48:29 < karlp> yeah, https://weatherspark.com/averages/33893/Moscow-Moskovskaya-oblast-Russian-Federation vs https://weatherspark.com/averages/27562/Reykjavik-Capital-Region-Iceland
2016-09-09T15:48:50 < PaulFertser> Interesting
2016-09-09T15:49:24 < BrainDamage> https://dbffkv15yp72v.cloudfront.net/production/reports/year/000/032/410/c957f669/relative_humidity_percent_pct.png this is why weather feels like shit all year round here
2016-09-09T15:50:08 < karlp> forza italia!
2016-09-09T15:51:00 < PaulFertser> Related: http://reg.bom.gov.au/info/thermal_stress/#atapproximation and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_chill#North_American_wind_chill_index
2016-09-09T15:51:41 < PaulFertser> Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_index#Formula
2016-09-09T15:52:21 < Steffann> Rarely above 17C.. Damn
2016-09-09T15:55:57 < karlp> Steffann: where? here?
2016-09-09T16:07:45 < Steffann> Yes. Iceland.
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2016-09-09T16:39:50 < owl-v-> 40 days to go, and it's already funded !!  -->  https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2015098713/fidget-cube-a-vinyl-desk-toy?ref=home_popular
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2016-09-09T16:59:32 < Steffann> I was really tempted to back. But sky high shipping costs
2016-09-09T17:00:37 < Steffann> 2M for a 15k goal. They are going to beat zano
2016-09-09T17:14:30 < englishman> I already have a penis, not sure what this is for
2016-09-09T17:17:26 < BrainDamage> when it's socially acceptable to fiddle with something, but not your penis, or anyone's penis
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2016-09-09T17:51:46 < Rob235> sup boyz
2016-09-09T17:51:59 < karlp> lua
2016-09-09T17:52:11 < jpa-> BrainDamage: humidity here in winter varies all over the place.. like 10% to 90% depending on whether the temperature is rising or falling
2016-09-09T17:52:15 < Steffann> Yours clicks englishman ?
2016-09-09T17:52:43 < englishman> No, my right hand does the clicking
2016-09-09T17:53:11 < Steffann> How far are those trips(to work probably)? jpa-
2016-09-09T17:53:23 < jpa-> Steffann: 7km each way
2016-09-09T17:53:42 < jpa-> someone more if i go to the store or hacklab or somewhere else
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2016-09-09T17:57:53 < karlp> heh, my family has "fiddle balls" that my granddad made ont eh ktichen table.
2016-09-09T17:58:03 < karlp> silent fiddling only.
2016-09-09T17:58:17 < karlp> audible fiddling is what grandmum hated
2016-09-09T17:58:28 < Rob235> where can I buy replacement carbon fiber tubes :)
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2016-09-09T18:01:58 < Rob235> http://www.helipal.com/tl68b22-fy680-3k-lines-matt-pure-carbon-rod-dia9-x-10-x-280mm.html
2016-09-09T18:01:59 < Rob235> nvm
2016-09-09T18:02:45 < stvn> cats
2016-09-09T18:11:07 < Rob235> $15 to fix landing gear, not too bad
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2016-09-09T19:01:52 < upgrdman_> so uh, whats an easy way to transmit >1MBit/s of data wirelessly? hc05/hc06/esp8266 look to be slower.
2016-09-09T19:06:12 < BrainDamage> nrf24 iirc does 2 max, but i bet you'll need them pretty close
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2016-09-09T19:29:17 < karlp> what are you blasting anyway?
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2016-09-09T19:47:02 < upgrdman_> karlp, telemetry from mcu/fpga to pc
2016-09-09T19:47:20 < upgrdman_> wired works great, but i'd like to be a lazy nig and go wireless for this
2016-09-09T19:48:13 < upgrdman_> currently i need 2Mbit/s, but for future fuckery, i'd like it do be support at least 8Mbit/s
2016-09-09T19:48:28 < jpa-> http://www.esp8266.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=245   esp8266 in client mode gets TX of some 1.5 Mbit/s
2016-09-09T19:48:42 < jpa-> ah, >1Mbit was 8Mbit
2016-09-09T19:48:52 < jpa-> upgrdman_: maybe USB wlan stick?
2016-09-09T19:48:57 < upgrdman_> hmm
2016-09-09T19:49:12 < jpa-> though, coupling that to stm32 might be hard
2016-09-09T19:49:15 < upgrdman_> usb host would be a bitch to do on a mcu/fpga
2016-09-09T19:49:16 < upgrdman_> ya
2016-09-09T19:49:21 < jpa-> usb host is easy
2016-09-09T19:49:28 < jpa-> but not sure if they require software mac
2016-09-09T19:49:34 < upgrdman_> im kinda surprised ftdi hasnt jumped on this wagon
2016-09-09T19:50:25 < englishman> what range
2016-09-09T19:50:46 < upgrdman_> 30 meteres RELIABLY, so probably rated for >100 meters
2016-09-09T19:50:55 < englishman> what size
2016-09-09T19:51:25 < upgrdman_> dont care, within reason.
2016-09-09T19:51:34 < englishman> so semi truck sized or smaller
2016-09-09T19:51:53 < englishman> good luck, sounds like a challenge.
2016-09-09T19:52:08 < upgrdman_> ya im really surprised this isnt common
2016-09-09T19:52:20 < upgrdman_> i mean $5 wifi stick can do it, but its not easy to work with via mcu/fpga
2016-09-09T19:52:34 < englishman> i'm surprised you think it is
2016-09-09T19:52:42 < jpa-> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/silicon-labs/WF111-E-V1/1446-1032-ND/4245507   promises up to 72Mbit/s
2016-09-09T19:52:45 < englishman> 2mbit wifi at >100m, hmm
2016-09-09T19:53:09 < upgrdman_> englishman, i get 100Mbit over wifi (11ac) at about 10 meters
2016-09-09T19:53:11 < jpa-> the bluegiga chips generally get pretty close to what they promise also
2016-09-09T19:53:29 < englishman> so use ethernet + some routers?
2016-09-09T19:54:22 < englishman> i get .5mbps with wifi
2016-09-09T19:54:34 < englishman> my datapoint is just as valid as yours
2016-09-09T19:54:54 < upgrdman_> 11ac makes a big diff
2016-09-09T19:55:15 < upgrdman_> 11b/g/n maxes out at like 5Mbps where i live
2016-09-09T19:55:21 < englishman> yeah i have ac
2016-09-09T19:56:33 < jpa-> i get 3.3MB/s (26 Mbps) with 802.11g here
2016-09-09T19:56:35 < upgrdman_> "WF111 provides a low cost and simple Wi-Fi
2016-09-09T19:56:35 < upgrdman_> solution for devices that run an operating
2016-09-09T19:56:35 < upgrdman_> system and a TCP/IP stack on-board, but still
2016-09-09T19:56:35 < upgrdman_> offers the benefits of a module" ... fuck so its up to me to do all the hard work :(
2016-09-09T19:56:52 < upgrdman_> wtf. my quote got chopped off
2016-09-09T19:57:03 < upgrdman_> it requires stack + os
2016-09-09T19:57:51 < jpa-> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/silicon-labs/WF121-A-V2/1446-1033-2-ND/4519301   maybe this then?
2016-09-09T20:00:43 < upgrdman_> hmm nice
2016-09-09T20:01:08 < jpa-> my friend designed the rf side on those :)
2016-09-09T20:01:32 < Steffanx> oh finnisher?
2016-09-09T20:01:41 < Steffanx> *oh no
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2016-09-09T20:03:00 < englishman> silabs is .ro ?
2016-09-09T20:03:31 < englishman> bluegiga
2016-09-09T20:03:50 < jpa-> bluegiga is in finland
2016-09-09T20:03:55 < jpa-> but finland is not .ro
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2016-09-09T20:05:02 < englishman> anybody used loctite GC 10 or 3W paste
2016-09-09T20:07:27 < upgrdman_> hmm. maybe i should try wiring up my DIY induction heater to the UART output of my stm32. transmit on 80kHz at like 300 watts :)
2016-09-09T20:07:55 < jpa-> receive with a microphone?
2016-09-09T20:08:05 < upgrdman_> or short'ed o-scope probe
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2016-09-09T20:11:15 < upgrdman_> kinda surprised industry does have much demand for simple fast wireless. like uart instead of the whole wifi/bt stacks
2016-09-09T20:12:22 < jpa-> https://www.perle.com/products/iolan-sds-wireless-device-server.shtml?gclid=CjwKEAjwu8m-BRDM8KTcjdj8qy0SJACdjSZp6YZkq6zQHyX48rt9ylbM24Xq20sdYnYpGC5tvbQdyRoCTV7w_wcB   industry uses stuff like this
2016-09-09T20:14:02 < upgrdman_> i like how theres no price but instead a "get a quote" button :)
2016-09-09T20:14:07 < upgrdman_> but ya that looks noice
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2016-09-09T20:29:46 < Rob235> must...stop...procrastinating...
2016-09-09T20:29:59 < Rob235> I want to have a working PID autotune done today
2016-09-09T20:32:47 < upgrdman_> sounds like you need more vape juice
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2016-09-09T20:33:11 < Rob235> always need more
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2016-09-09T20:50:27 < Steffanx> dab
2016-09-09T20:57:10 < Rob235> hmm I think I should get a datalogger....
2016-09-09T20:57:15 < Rob235> any recs?
2016-09-09T20:58:31 < Rob235> can you just use any old sd card reader?
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2016-09-09T21:15:20 < englishman> haha holy shit
2016-09-09T21:15:24 < englishman> ordered a nrf52 devkit
2016-09-09T21:15:31 < englishman> came with 5x chips on cut tape
2016-09-09T21:15:35 < englishman> fuck yeah
2016-09-09T21:17:32 < Steffanx> what's you nrfing englishman?
2016-09-09T21:17:44 < englishman> all the things
2016-09-09T21:17:50 < Steffanx> iot?
2016-09-09T21:18:48 < englishman> iod
2016-09-09T21:20:14 < Steffanx> better not ask again.
2016-09-09T21:24:21 < Steffanx> They still use this closed source softdevice?
2016-09-09T21:25:44 < Steffanx> ok that's a yes
2016-09-09T21:26:06 < Rob235> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12941 why is this $10?
2016-09-09T21:26:27 < BrainDamage> because it has a sparkfun logo
2016-09-09T21:26:39 < jpa-> i wouldn't bother to make and sell one for cheaper than that either
2016-09-09T21:26:53 < Rob235> is SPI fast enough for data logging?
2016-09-09T21:27:05 < kakimir> full size and full featured
2016-09-09T21:27:21 < jpa-> Rob235: SPI is, some SD cards not
2016-09-09T21:27:22 < Steffanx> in china they make them for 1.36 for you.
2016-09-09T21:27:31 < Steffanx> same fancy red colour
2016-09-09T21:27:41 < jpa-> Rob235: plan to have some 200ms worth of ram to buffer data
2016-09-09T21:27:50 < Rob235> I can get a smaller microsd that uses spi instead of this big sd card reader that has the 4 bit SD protocol or whatever
2016-09-09T21:28:13 < jpa-> microsd and full size sd have the same protocol, both support SDIO and SPI
2016-09-09T21:28:42 < Rob235> and spi is fast enough as long as the card supports the speed?
2016-09-09T21:28:53 < jpa-> depends totally on your logging speed
2016-09-09T21:29:14 < kakimir> how fast SPI cards usually support?
2016-09-09T21:29:22 < jpa-> but regardless of how you connect it, the SD card will occassionally pause for some time to erase some flash
2016-09-09T21:29:31 < jpa-> kakimir: 1-100MB/s
2016-09-09T21:29:37 < jpa-> err
2016-09-09T21:29:42 < Rob235> logging speed probably 100hz, mayyybe up to 400hz?
2016-09-09T21:29:48 < Rob235> and not that much data
2016-09-09T21:30:01 < kakimir> you need to buffer it Rob235
2016-09-09T21:30:03 < jpa-> "not that much" is not a measure
2016-09-09T21:31:24 < jpa-> generally any SD card will happily write 1MB/s average speed even with SPI, but at that speed you already need about 200kB of buffer ram if you want it to work with cheap cards
2016-09-09T21:31:48 < jpa-> with better cards you can try your luck down to 50ms buffer time or so
2016-09-09T21:35:42 < Rob235> I how do people usually buffer?
2016-09-09T21:36:47 < jpa-> in ram
2016-09-09T21:37:42 < Rob235> the F4 only has 192kb, how do you add more :)
2016-09-09T21:38:22 < jpa-> with FMC
2016-09-09T21:38:29 < jpa-> but do you really need 1MB/s?
2016-09-09T21:38:48 < Rob235> oh probably not
2016-09-09T21:38:57 < jpa-> i log at some 3kB/s with this code  https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/ebike-controller/blob/master/src/log_task.c   and it takes just 8kB of buffer space
2016-09-09T21:39:00 < Rob235> I dont really know, I guess I should figure out how much data I want to log
2016-09-09T21:39:11 < jpa-> that's pretty important thing to figure out, yeah
2016-09-09T21:50:12 < Rob235> 8kB/s at most, over 1/3 of that is rx channels if I feel like logging that
2016-09-09T21:50:33 < Rob235> probably just log the 4 main channels
2016-09-09T21:52:45 < Rob235> so probably like 5-6kB/s so I should be ok?
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2016-09-09T21:59:11 < englishman> nrf52 is pretty nice lol
2016-09-09T21:59:22 < Steffanx> for logging?
2016-09-09T21:59:53 < englishman> maybe
2016-09-09T22:02:23 < Steffanx> isn't it "hell" when something goes wrong and you have to debug stuff with the closed source soft device?
2016-09-09T22:09:25 < englishman> dont know, havent used the softdevice yet
2016-09-09T22:09:40 < englishman> but i think there are millions of shits out there using the softdevice so i should be ok
2016-09-09T22:09:57 < englishman> nordick actually responds to forum posts and stuff too
2016-09-09T22:10:27 < Steffanx> hello mr wannabee dongs :P
2016-09-09T22:10:45 < englishman> wheres my waffel you waffel whore
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2016-09-09T22:11:02 < Steffanx> in the stores. failed to dox you remember?
2016-09-09T22:11:14 < englishman> but i gave you so much evidence.
2016-09-09T22:11:29 < Steffanx> actually i did not fail, i just didn't spend enough time on it.
2016-09-09T22:54:52 < Rob235> quitter
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2016-09-09T22:58:18 < Rob235> alright, ordered a micro sd card and reader for my hex
2016-09-09T22:59:44 < Rob235> I'm happy I haven't started on the circuit board yet, guess I'm still adding shit to this thing
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2016-09-09T23:39:06 < kakimir> I need a device to switch spi clock out between slaves
2016-09-09T23:40:35 < LeelooMinai> Look up demultiplexer
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2016-09-09T23:55:01 < kakimir> why is ltspice editor so sucky
2016-09-09T23:55:49 < LeelooMinai> ltspice is the prime example of Linux-style "GUI" - made for aliens by aliens
2016-09-09T23:56:43 < kakimir> I see
2016-09-09T23:56:50 < kakimir> but is it even luniz
2016-09-09T23:57:13 < kakimir> but just fukken old basic desing nobody wants to change
2016-09-09T23:59:09 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: The key to using it is to think how something should behave and then do the exact oposite
2016-09-09T23:59:43 < kakimir> true
2016-09-09T23:59:57 < kakimir> do not do anything intuitive
2016-09-09T23:59:59 < LeelooMinai> So, say you want to delete something. You would select it and then delete. So in ltspice press delete and then select something.
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2016-09-10T00:00:09 < kakimir> figure out the hard way
2016-09-10T00:01:27 < LeelooMinai> Or say, you expect to open a dialog and have fields where you type parameters which will be validated, checked and passed to some command-line tool. So in ltspice you open a dialog and you type the command line in a field instead.
2016-09-10T00:02:53 < LeelooMinai> If there was a book on how not to make GUIs, ltspice would be the great reference.
2016-09-10T00:12:51 < kakimir> I wonder if I really push it would it be possible to use one gpio pin as output for something and as input for totally another function of the desing
2016-09-10T00:13:48 < kakimir> detect strong driver and turn output on from some buffer
2016-09-10T00:14:16 < LeelooMinai> You can do this, but you better make sure you don't have two putputs clashing
2016-09-10T00:14:19 < kakimir> detect hi-z and use as input
2016-09-10T00:14:49 < kakimir> maybe use more narrow voltage area
2016-09-10T00:15:58 < LeelooMinai> It's a complication. You can use logic IC, no problem, but it's much cleaner if you just can use two pins on the micro.
2016-09-10T00:18:31 < kakimir> such a waste of life to autism over mcu pins.. I should just buy bigger mcus
2016-09-10T00:18:50 < LeelooMinai> Yes
2016-09-10T00:19:09 < LeelooMinai> KISS
2016-09-10T00:30:55 < Rob235> woop WOOp
2016-09-10T00:33:04 < kakimir> but doesn't analog switch function in both ways?
2016-09-10T00:33:34 < kakimir> in case of forking spi clock to places
2016-09-10T00:35:15 < LeelooMinai> Analog switches are a bit mismatch for this - you want digital logic
2016-09-10T00:35:23 < kakimir> yes
2016-09-10T00:35:49 < LeelooMinai> Also, there are probably ICs just for demultiplexing SPI signals
2016-09-10T00:38:04 < kakimir> have you ever usepi hub kind of thing?
2016-09-10T00:38:12 < kakimir> *used
2016-09-10T00:38:34 < LeelooMinai> I did not
2016-09-10T00:38:44 < kakimir> *spi hub
2016-09-10T00:53:10 < kakimir> what is it called when it was one input and one output and one enable output?
2016-09-10T00:53:16 < kakimir> buffer?
2016-09-10T00:54:31 < LeelooMinai> Tristate buffer I think
2016-09-10T00:56:53 < kakimir> it's hard to find like low channel number thigns
2016-09-10T00:57:23 < LeelooMinai> I would say no - plenty of one, two channel ones
2016-09-10T00:57:40 < LeelooMinai> In tiny packages
2016-09-10T00:58:59 < kakimir> those arll have just random name
2016-09-10T00:59:03 < kakimir> http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NL17SZ126-D.PDF
2016-09-10T01:00:07 < kakimir> what it's called if i want inverted enable?
2016-09-10T01:00:09 < LeelooMinai> There was some standardization in the past, but nowadays probably less so.
2016-09-10T01:00:25 < LeelooMinai> I don't think it has a name...
2016-09-10T01:00:47 < LeelooMinai> Just invert the GPIO signal.
2016-09-10T01:02:48 < kakimir> it's tied to other things
2016-09-10T01:02:55 < LeelooMinai> btw, if you end up with zillion of those logic ics, it's better to use small cpld
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2016-09-10T01:06:29 < kakimir> always thoselogic array devicess...
2016-09-10T01:07:12 < LeelooMinai> Well, at some point you may need them.
2016-09-10T01:07:15 < kakimir> Iäm just sorting my spi mess out
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2016-09-10T01:14:57 < kakimir> easiest thing is to leave external spi connection out
2016-09-10T01:15:34 < kakimir> but it takes only one buffer to dissable on board devices operated by spi master
2016-09-10T01:16:34 < kakimir> and that buffer enable is also SSEL for external SPI slave
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2016-09-10T01:18:11 < Tectu> Hi o/
2016-09-10T01:21:22 < kakimir> they had been looking for you
2016-09-10T01:27:40 < Tectu> Yeah, was busy with some stuff
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2016-09-10T01:50:32 < karlp> heh, finally watched that belgium for dummies video
2016-09-10T01:50:35 < karlp> what a mess
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2016-09-10T02:18:53 < englishman> welcome back tektu
2016-09-10T02:20:17 < englishman> ah
2016-09-10T02:20:20 < englishman> hes already gone
2016-09-10T02:20:21 < englishman> wtf
2016-09-10T02:20:46 < englishman> #define SAADC_CH_PSELP_PSELP_AnalogInput5 (6UL) /*!< AIN5 */
2016-09-10T02:20:50 < englishman> the retardedness begins
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2016-09-10T03:39:14 < LeelooMinai> And another LED on my keyboard dies... fail.
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2016-09-10T04:48:45 < LeelooMinai> Lovely, it works: http://i.imgur.com/cKKqLhG.png
2016-09-10T04:49:34 < LeelooMinai> A little rough around the edges, but once configured, pretty useful.
2016-09-10T05:12:06 < ReadErrrr> the l0de radio hour is now live! https://youtu.be/8qmBqjRjP48 call in live at 415-349-5666! Tonight's episode: LIVE @ DENNYS FEAT SLIMER'
2016-09-10T05:12:19 < upgrdman> is segger sysview commerical or freeware?
2016-09-10T05:12:23 < upgrdman> guessing com
2016-09-10T05:12:48 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Well, it's free, but you need jlink of course
2016-09-10T05:12:54 < upgrdman> ya
2016-09-10T05:12:57 < upgrdman> k coll
2016-09-10T05:12:58 < upgrdman> cool
2016-09-10T05:12:58 < LeelooMinai> I bought the EDU one
2016-09-10T05:13:09 < upgrdman> im tempted to bug the $14 clone
2016-09-10T05:13:12 < upgrdman> buy*
2016-09-10T05:13:33 < LeelooMinai> I had/have the one, but the Segger buggers figured out how to disable it:)
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2016-09-10T05:13:58 < LeelooMinai> So in the end I bought the EDU one, as any other is too expensive for me.
2016-09-10T05:14:33 < upgrdman> disable == brick, or just no longer work with it
2016-09-10T05:15:50 < LeelooMinai> They managed to detect it's a clone in the firware/driver and it won't work. I even tried replacing flash IC on there for the genuine atmel one that the original has, but still does not work, so finally decided that it's not worth further hacking.
2016-09-10T05:15:52 < Thorn> https://www.segger.com/jlink-st-link.html <- anyone tried this yet?
2016-09-10T05:16:14 < LeelooMinai> I did, more or less for testing - worked
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2016-09-10T05:18:12 < Thorn> does it still support external targets after the upgrade?
2016-09-10T05:19:40 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I could not test as I did it on lame Nucleo32 boards and they are kind of hard-wired, but I think they write there that it's only for the dev boards - I don't know.
2016-09-10T05:20:11 < LeelooMinai> "he firmware is for use with evaluation boards only. It is not for use with custom hardware." <- so depends if they check it somehow
2016-09-10T05:20:13 < Thorn> >The firmware is for use with evaluation boards only. It is not for use with custom hardware.
2016-09-10T05:20:33 < LeelooMinai> Right
2016-09-10T05:20:50 < Thorn> this might just mean you can't copy the st-link circuit and put it onto your board
2016-09-10T05:21:11 < LeelooMinai> Maybe
2016-09-10T05:26:03 < dongs> if youre gonna do that
2016-09-10T05:26:10 < dongs> copy jlink-ob 072 circuit and put THAT on your board
2016-09-10T05:26:34 < dongs> http://akb77.com/g/stm32/jlink-ob/
2016-09-10T05:27:00 < dongs> F072 and some caps and USB socket, done
2016-09-10T05:27:29 < Thorn> why don't the chinese sell jlink clones based on that circuit (or maybe they do)?
2016-09-10T05:27:42 < dongs> they do
2016-09-10T05:27:50 < LeelooMinai> They clones are clones of the "normal" JLink
2016-09-10T05:27:53 < dongs> but i think they went a bit further and stole the bootloader too
2016-09-10T05:28:02 < dongs> and their jlinkOBs were based on F103
2016-09-10T05:28:05 < dongs> the F072 one is new
2016-09-10T05:28:15 < Thorn> and segger software still detects them as counterfeit?
2016-09-10T05:28:20 < dongs> no
2016-09-10T05:28:24 < dongs> why would it
2016-09-10T05:28:40 < dongs> i mean i have a legit jlink but also bought about 2-3 black-case clones
2016-09-10T05:28:47 < Thorn> why do they still sell clones that are detectable then
2016-09-10T05:28:49 < dongs> at some point few years ago the black case stuff got bricked by jlink update
2016-09-10T05:28:52 < dongs> so i shelved it
2016-09-10T05:29:07 < dongs> but then a year later or so i updated to new software and it flashed the bricked one and it worked again..
2016-09-10T05:29:08 < LeelooMinai> Well,  I have a clone too and it worked until some version of Segger sogtware.
2016-09-10T05:29:31 < LeelooMinai> Right, I reflashed it, etc., but never could get it working again
2016-09-10T05:29:48 < dongs> duno, i let it sit for a year and it worked with latest jlink software after that at the time.
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2016-09-10T06:07:58 < dongs>  < Thorn> https://www.segger.com/jlink-st-link.html <- anyone tried this yet?
2016-09-10T06:08:00 < dongs> ohh
2016-09-10T06:08:01 < dongs> nice
2016-09-10T06:08:10 < Thorn> >the quieter bang sound a few seconds before the fireball goes off
2016-09-10T06:08:11 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/elonmusk
2016-09-10T06:08:18 < dongs> Thorn: old
2016-09-10T06:17:46 < Thorn> wtf is this and why so expensive https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Shenzhen-Ding-Yang-SDG1020-function-arbitrary-waveform-signal-generator-20MHz-signal-source/32666011993.html
2016-09-10T06:21:42 < LeelooMinai> Signal generator - expensive since it's for automated testing, etc. (has GPIB port)
2016-09-10T06:22:31 < Thorn> it looks exactly like siglent sdg1020 which is at least 3 times cheaper
2016-09-10T06:23:15 < LeelooMinai> It has Siglent logo in the corner:)
2016-09-10T06:23:26 < emeb_mac> lol yes
2016-09-10T06:23:45 < emeb_mac> I've got a Siglent generator. It's nice. Only paid like $350 for it
2016-09-10T06:25:03 < dongs> ding yang
2016-09-10T06:25:15 < LeelooMinai> ding yang dongs
2016-09-10T06:25:35  * LeelooMinai plays an old Chinese bell composition
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2016-09-10T06:36:30 < Thorn> found sdg1032x for $400 but only one source https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW-Free-Ship-Siglent-30MHz-waveform-generator-SDG1032X-touch-screen-150MSa-s-16Kpts-wave-length-dual/32731671111.html
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2016-09-10T06:41:49 < emeb_mac> oh cool - a new one.
2016-09-10T06:42:17 < Thorn> 1000 http://www.siglent.com/ENs/prodcut-detailxx.aspx?id=145&tid=16&T=2  1000x http://www.siglent.com/ENs/prodcut-detailxx.aspx?id=1463&tid=16&T=2
2016-09-10T06:43:06 < upgrdman> found this interesting (legit, not shitposting)  http://www.adriancourreges.com/blog/2016/09/09/doom-2016-graphics-study/
2016-09-10T06:45:37 < emeb_mac> the sdg1025 I've got has been useful for testing the receivers I've built
2016-09-10T06:46:46 < Thorn> why do they have both a 20MHz and a 25MHz model
2016-09-10T06:46:50 < emeb_mac> it goes down to 2mV in 50 ohm mode, but that's still pretty strong for receivers so I have another 50dB step atten
2016-09-10T06:47:10 < emeb_mac> yeah - no idea why 20 and 25
2016-09-10T06:47:31 < emeb_mac> not much difference between them
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2016-09-10T06:48:38 < Thorn> suddenly tek mainframe in a SDG1020 review video https://youtu.be/JTf7ac670O8?t=28m14s
2016-09-10T06:59:58 < emeb_mac> lol - 10million rpi
2016-09-10T07:00:08 < emeb_mac> 9.9million are in drawers somewhere
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2016-09-10T07:00:40 < englishman> emeb_mac: is your dad angry you went digital?
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2016-09-10T07:01:03 < emeb_mac> englishman: no. he couldn't care less about what I do.
2016-09-10T07:01:31 < englishman> somehow thats worse.
2016-09-10T07:01:54 < emeb_mac> englishman: he's very wrapped up in his own world. doesn't take my stuff seriously.
2016-09-10T07:02:16 < emeb_mac> as far as he's concerned it's just foolishness.
2016-09-10T07:10:59 < brianx> I must be in that 100k englishman, I use several pi each week and one every day.
2016-09-10T07:11:12 < englishman> tabcomplete fail
2016-09-10T07:18:17 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/JTf7ac670O8?t=53m35s
2016-09-10T07:36:14 < emeb_mac> <englishman: tabcomplete fail> lol
2016-09-10T07:52:38 < upgrdman> https://www.addedbytes.com/blog/if-php-were-british/
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2016-09-10T08:00:05 < Thorn> US $1,797.93/piece https://www.aliexpress.com/item/72926-C-40-RF-Cable-Assemblies-IEC-Insulated-BNC-Male-50-Ohm-Mr-Li/32519849807.html
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2016-09-10T08:29:27 < dongs> why the shit do people use .IGS what a faggot format
2016-09-10T08:41:36 < ReadErr> .stl is garbage too
2016-09-10T08:41:46 < dongs> just need stp for 3d model
2016-09-10T08:47:25 < emeb_mac> just use excel .csv
2016-09-10T08:47:28 < emeb_mac> the best format
2016-09-10T08:48:50 < Thorn> http://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/54820/would-humanoids-with-fur-be-offended-by-fur-clothing
2016-09-10T08:50:06 < dongs> so what were YOU doing looking up furry shit?
2016-09-10T08:50:27 < Thorn> lol
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2016-09-10T09:36:49 < dongs> pfft
2016-09-10T09:36:55 < dongs> got it converted and the model is too long
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2016-09-10T12:37:10 < Steffanx> Laurenceb's new fav. youtube cartoon channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw_YdH7xWH8 ( nsfw-ish )
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2016-09-10T14:53:30 < stvn> hmmm
2016-09-10T14:53:54 < Steffanx> hi mr stvn
2016-09-10T14:54:04 < stvn> hello mr Steffanx
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2016-09-10T15:01:51 < stvn> how is it
2016-09-10T15:01:57 < Steffanx> Excellent.
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2016-09-10T15:20:41 < Steffanx> There too?
2016-09-10T15:21:47 < stvn> i can hear some stupid dog yapping a few houses away
2016-09-10T15:22:01 < stvn> other than that it is quiet
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2016-09-10T15:46:38 < stvn> cook
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2016-09-10T17:13:14 < karlp> zyp: this is what I ended up doing for nak support: https://github.com/karlp/laks/commit/4c1e1e6b146e3143767989e1f8e882ae64cc170e
2016-09-10T17:13:53 < karlp> the reason my naks weren't working earlier was that I was trying to nak when I had no more space left, but the stack was always cnakking before I could explicitly nak, so the host sent me one extra.
2016-09-10T17:14:23 < karlp> I used a return code like with handle_setup to say whether the EP should be left nakked, or cnakked as usual.
2016-09-10T17:14:42 < karlp> device code still has niggles, but at least the OUT path seems to robustly handle the flow control with the usb host now.
2016-09-10T17:14:59 < karlp> problem now is just ring buffer shared access on the uart side
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2016-09-10T17:40:39 < stvn> stroopwafels
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2016-09-10T17:41:26 < Emil> Hi all
2016-09-10T17:41:27 < Tectu> stop highlighting me
2016-09-10T17:41:37 < Tectu> also, who are you?
2016-09-10T17:41:38 < Tectu> @ both
2016-09-10T17:42:15 < Steffanx> both?
2016-09-10T17:42:25 < Steffanx> How you see highlights without being here?
2016-09-10T17:43:04 < Emil> Anyone have a good guide in getting started with programming arms with in c with gcc and on a linux command line environment?
2016-09-10T17:43:35 < Tectu> where's crt Mr. Steffanx ?
2016-09-10T17:43:39 < Emil> Also, preferably as little hal as possible
2016-09-10T17:43:46 < stvn> :3
2016-09-10T17:44:18 < Steffanx> Emil, little hal as in bare register writing or is libopencm3 acceptable?
2016-09-10T17:44:35 < Steffanx> Also do you want to learn to write your own makefiles or not?
2016-09-10T17:45:08 < Thorn> and linker scripts and startup code
2016-09-10T17:45:43 < englishman> how are we supposed to highlight Tectu if hes never here
2016-09-10T17:45:47 < Emil> Steffanx: well, I currently program AVRs in C and like shouting to registers (defined obviously) but I understand it might be silly to do so with arms
2016-09-10T17:46:22 < Emil> Si bare registers could be a start
2016-09-10T17:46:38 < jpa-> STM32 bare registers are nice enough to use directly
2016-09-10T17:46:40 < englishman> if you're starting on lunix + gcc i think you'll have enough to deal with
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2016-09-10T17:46:49 < Steffanx> It's not that silly. And not THAT different from AVR
2016-09-10T17:47:32 < Emil> I'm not interested in writing makefiles but will probably have to do say anyways at some point so no preference there
2016-09-10T17:47:55 < englishman> what else is there on commandline lunix besides makefiles?
2016-09-10T17:47:57 < Emil> jpa-: good to know
2016-09-10T17:49:16 < Steffanx> Stop donging englishman, seriously.
2016-09-10T17:49:25 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/STM32_Trace_Example/blob/master/trace_example.c#L170   raw register access will look like that, and reference manual has good description of all the registers
2016-09-10T17:49:30 < englishman> whats the problem?
2016-09-10T17:49:40 < jpa-> englishman: we have one dong already and you're not it
2016-09-10T17:49:47 < Steffanx> We have more then enough dongs already.
2016-09-10T17:50:05 < englishman> i am trying to help.
2016-09-10T17:50:17 < englishman> using a nice hal + cmsis is going to be much easier
2016-09-10T17:50:31 < jpa-> englishman: which hal for stm32 is nice?
2016-09-10T17:50:31 < englishman> than trying to decode register addresses for every periph
2016-09-10T17:50:49 < englishman> stdperiphlib, or anything timecube generates
2016-09-10T17:50:55 < Emil> Steffanx: thats good to know, I have listened ti horror stories about having to config a million registers to even do simple things. I no longer fear that but without a good guide in getting started it is tedious to figure it out all by myself
2016-09-10T17:50:59 < jpa-> englishman: lol, not true at all
2016-09-10T17:51:12 < englishman> k.
2016-09-10T17:51:22 < stvn> even i can do it
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2016-09-10T17:52:09 < jpa-> Emil: that example i linked above is not really meant as a template project, but it should still compile and blink a led nicely :P
2016-09-10T17:52:29 < englishman> and i dont know how anyone expects to use commandline gcc without makefiles, even if your program is a single .c file
2016-09-10T17:52:38 < Emil> jpa-: is there something like the simple defines that avr uses?
2016-09-10T17:52:40 < jpa-> though if you have something else than stm32f1 you'll need to find a different blinky
2016-09-10T17:52:55 < jpa-> Emil: yeah, stm32f1xx.h is that
2016-09-10T17:53:18 < jpa-> englishman: zyp uses scons
2016-09-10T17:53:20 < Emil> englishman: I use my own crude linker+compiler-script
2016-09-10T17:53:26 < Emil> for avr
2016-09-10T17:55:05 < englishman> see, now that's three different ways to build stuff on the command line
2016-09-10T17:55:16 < englishman> where in timecube you press some buttons and stuff works in 5 minutes or less
2016-09-10T17:55:26 < Emil> Heh
2016-09-10T17:55:39 < Steffanx> and you have no clue how it works.
2016-09-10T17:55:42 < Emil> Anycase, no gui software
2016-09-10T17:55:49 < Emil> if you can help it
2016-09-10T17:56:15 < jpa-> i haven't needed any so far (well, text editor has a gui..)
2016-09-10T17:56:27 < Emil> Hey now, it is a cli
2016-09-10T17:56:28 < Steffanx> I still wonder where the name "timecube" actually came from.
2016-09-10T17:56:49 < jpa-> for dongs everything is time*
2016-09-10T17:57:21 < Steffanx> lolwut?
2016-09-10T17:57:55 < Rob235> you know dongs bday?
2016-09-10T17:58:11 < Steffanx> One of his many birthdays probably.
2016-09-10T17:58:14 < Emil> Steffanx: jpa- anycase, do you know of a good tutorial?
2016-09-10T17:58:37 < Emil> I started my journey to avrs with a simple blink a led tutorial
2016-09-10T17:58:42 < Emil> Would prefer similar
2016-09-10T17:59:14 < stvn> 911 dong
2016-09-10T17:59:28 < Emil> But would love to transfer to arms because they are cheaper, more powerful and have richer peripherals
2016-09-10T17:59:29 < jpa-> Emil: unfortunately no, been so long since i've looked at tutorials
2016-09-10T17:59:30 < Steffanx> I don't really know of any.
2016-09-10T18:00:36 < Rob235> my led blink tutorial was a drone
2016-09-10T18:01:15 < Emil> Would you consider doing one? Nothing fancy, just what software to install, the bare minimum to do general io and then the actual commands to compile, link and then upload the code
2016-09-10T18:01:53 < Emil> I would link the tutorial I used for avrs but it has unfortunately gone down
2016-09-10T18:02:47 < jpa-> Emil: this seems like a sane tutorial   https://gctechspace.org/2014/09/getting-to-blinky-with-the-stm32-and-ubuntu-linux/
2016-09-10T18:06:14 < Emil> Thanks, I'll take a look
2016-09-10T18:06:33 < Emil> Should write a simple one for AVR, too
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2016-09-10T18:49:00 < kakimir> is M in ltspice m?
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2016-09-10T18:55:51 < Emil> kakimir: iirc yes
2016-09-10T18:56:04 < Emil> for some really idiotic reason
2016-09-10T19:00:17 < kakimir> it's ltspice
2016-09-10T19:00:22 < kakimir> no reason required
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2016-09-10T19:05:49 < Emil> shh, only tears now
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2016-09-10T19:15:36 < kakimir> these shortcuts..
2016-09-10T19:15:41 < kakimir> F8 - drag
2016-09-10T19:15:47 < Emil> ikr
2016-09-10T19:16:03 < Emil> the ui is abysmal
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2016-09-10T20:05:01 < kakimir> sc59 = sot23?
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2016-09-10T20:15:35 < kakimir> it maybe is
2016-09-10T20:16:19 < kakimir> okay now I realize I need 5pcs of high side switches for 3v3
2016-09-10T20:16:49 < Steffanx> compare footprints..
2016-09-10T20:16:54 < Steffanx> dimensions and stuff
2016-09-10T20:17:02 < kakimir> I wonder if something else becomes more interesting solution for 200mA driving per output than seperate sot23 p-mosfets
2016-09-10T20:17:09 < kakimir> Steffanx: did
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2016-09-10T20:17:47 < kakimir> I have bit shift register driving fets that drive all the seperate 3v3 lines
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2016-09-10T20:18:13 < kakimir> because bit shift register per pin 20mA and 70mA total
2016-09-10T20:18:59 < kakimir> how can there be like 70fets inside simple 1channel buffer
2016-09-10T20:19:19 < kakimir> It's funny
2016-09-10T20:19:42 < kakimir> you would think there is only 10 or so
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2016-09-10T20:41:53 < kakimir> I would facepalm if ltspice wasn't so epic
2016-09-10T20:42:08 < kakimir> M comes out as m and it's milli
2016-09-10T20:42:25 < kakimir> MEG apparently is Mega
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2016-09-10T20:56:50 < Rob235> hi hi hi
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2016-09-10T21:42:06 < upgrdman> stroopwafels just arrived. delicious!
2016-09-10T21:43:07 < Steffanx> Hows the heartrate and glucose level?
2016-09-10T21:52:03 < upgrdman> same as ever :)
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2016-09-10T21:57:05 < Rob235> blah, dRonin's autotune.c file is 700 lines, time to start reading
2016-09-10T22:14:57 < zyp> karlp, nice
2016-09-10T22:15:40 < zyp> although changing return type of handle_out requires other code to change to adapt to that
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2016-09-10T23:15:59 < ReadErr> Rob235: peabody has a pdf on it
2016-09-10T23:16:03 < ReadErr> with all the maths
2016-09-10T23:16:07 < ReadErr> might be easier
2016-09-10T23:23:45 < Steffanx> Yay @ two way authentication and when you lost your backup codes. Bye bye account.
2016-09-10T23:25:01 < aandrew> don't lose your codes
2016-09-10T23:25:19 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8FOGlnYkgg&feature=youtu.be
2016-09-10T23:25:24 < ReadErr> song about HOW2IRC
2016-09-10T23:25:46 < Steffanx> hah aandrew, thanks for the advice :P
2016-09-10T23:26:01 < aandrew> Steffanx: anytime :-)
2016-09-10T23:26:30 < Steffanx> enabled it at github once, ages ago... and now i need those codes.
2016-09-10T23:26:37 < kakimir> ReadErr: your production?
2016-09-10T23:26:50 < ReadErr> nope
2016-09-10T23:27:00 < kakimir> only 20views
2016-09-10T23:27:09 < kakimir> today released
2016-09-10T23:27:13 < ReadErr> it was just uploaded a few mins ago scrub
2016-09-10T23:27:20 < kakimir> we are close to source
2016-09-10T23:27:24 < Steffanx> must be by stvn
2016-09-10T23:27:28 < ReadErr> give it to u fresh
2016-09-10T23:27:31 < ReadErr> nahhh its not
2016-09-10T23:27:53 < Steffanx> ive seen him with that wallpaper
2016-09-10T23:28:17 < ReadErr> ya guess he was listening to pumptunes or efnetnews
2016-09-10T23:29:09 < kakimir> remember facebook before it was cool?
2016-09-10T23:29:15 < ReadErr> Irc, the last c’s for chat, once u get online there's no turning back
2016-09-10T23:29:15 < ReadErr> Irc, the last c's for chat, all other social media shit is wack
2016-09-10T23:29:44 < Steffanx> no, i never cared about facebook kakimir
2016-09-10T23:32:41 < Steffanx> you were involved in the production for sure ReadErr
2016-09-10T23:32:48 < kakimir> read the backroud ReadErr
2016-09-10T23:32:55 < kakimir> it says we pumpin
2016-09-10T23:33:02 < ReadErr> kakimir: im aware lol
2016-09-10T23:33:09 < ReadErr> Steffanx: nope
2016-09-10T23:33:13 < kakimir> our slogan
2016-09-10T23:33:40 < Steffanx> no, our slogan has something with "autism" i nit
2016-09-10T23:34:19 < Steffanx> how can you forget that kakimir
2016-09-10T23:35:35 < ReadErr> "aspies for arduino"
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2016-09-10T23:38:03 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5A-MPPT-Solar-Panel-Controller-Voltage-Step-down-Module-Constant-Current-S-/191736124849 what is turn light voltage?
2016-09-10T23:38:25 < kakimir> *turn lamp voltage
2016-09-10T23:38:55 < Thorn> are bnc cables/tees/terminators etc. from aliexpress good for anything? there is no frequency range or any other specs
2016-09-10T23:41:26 < Thorn> (I mean 50 ohm of course)
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2016-09-10T23:42:49 < kakimir> I wonder if there is some compatibility list for opamps
2016-09-10T23:46:37 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: That's the usual with Aliexpress - you need to follow your sense of smell:)
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2016-09-11T00:04:25 < upgrdman> anyone know if "temporal anti-aliasing" is just a nice phrase for adding motion blur?
2016-09-11T00:05:56 < kakimir> what do you need to know that for?
2016-09-11T00:06:09 < ReadErr> jeeze nosey arent we
2016-09-11T00:06:32 < upgrdman> kakimir, because i want to be less stupid
2016-09-11T00:06:44 < upgrdman> and im on a 3d graphics tangent ATM
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2016-09-11T00:10:02 < Steffann> Thats the slogan for the outsiders
2016-09-11T00:11:26 < Steffann> Better disable the non-optional splash screen englishman
2016-09-11T00:15:34 < Rob235> what do you guys use to write to sd cards?
2016-09-11T00:15:42 < Rob235> spi
2016-09-11T00:16:05 < Rob235> any good libraries
2016-09-11T00:17:13 < Steffann> Fatfs with some spi driver.
2016-09-11T00:19:16 < Rob235> yea reading about fatfs as we speak
2016-09-11T00:22:02 < Steffann> Hah. :P
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2016-09-11T00:26:34 < kakimir> I can not decide.. wson8 or vssop8
2016-09-11T00:28:06 < Steffann> https://www.random.org/coins/
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2016-09-11T00:29:32 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: wson main advantage is thickness - I had put a flash like that on a back of my xmos board and it's like it's not there
2016-09-11T00:30:10 < kakimir> oh
2016-09-11T00:30:25 < LeelooMinai> It has huge pitch too, so no diffiult to deal with really, but not as hand-solder friendly as the vssop one obviously
2016-09-11T00:30:27 < kakimir> I take vsson8 because chip is almost 50eurocents less
2016-09-11T00:31:00 < kakimir> who doesn't use heat gun anyways
2016-09-11T00:31:13 < Steffann> And maybe a bit easier to hand solder.
2016-09-11T00:31:23 < kakimir> .fi link http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/OPA2320AIDGKR/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuUbyQTl9BuV9nKoKXxVX0omPpdszvqVEQ%3d
2016-09-11T00:31:39 < kakimir> nice little precision thing
2016-09-11T00:32:39 < LeelooMinai> Nice low input current, but that 150μV offset may be something to account for
2016-09-11T00:33:05 < kakimir> too high?
2016-09-11T00:33:14 < LeelooMinai> Depends on your application
2016-09-11T00:33:17 < kakimir> not in my application thought
2016-09-11T00:33:38 < LeelooMinai> Remember that it will be amplieid probably by your op-amp circuit
2016-09-11T00:33:52 < LeelooMinai> amplified*
2016-09-11T00:35:21 < kakimir> I don't understand
2016-09-11T00:36:05 < LeelooMinai> Say your circuit is set to op-amp 10x - that will amplify that 150μV to 1.5mV on the output
2016-09-11T00:36:14 < kakimir> oh
2016-09-11T00:37:19 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbjM5SmxrdTVKY2c/view?usp=sharing somethign like this with one active filter phase
2016-09-11T00:38:28 < kakimir> current in those resistors will be 100µA
2016-09-11T00:45:26 < Steffann> Going connect this to 230v?
2016-09-11T00:45:53 < kakimir> sure thing
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2016-09-11T00:48:40 < Rob235> how much current can you pull from the 3.3v line of a stm32f4 disco?
2016-09-11T00:49:26 < Thorn> isn't it 3.0V
2016-09-11T00:49:41 < Thorn> (and the ldo is already maxed out iirc)
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2016-09-11T00:51:39 < kakimir> isn't it for connecting bypass caps?
2016-09-11T00:53:38 < kakimir> Steffann: you don't thing such circuit can be connected to mains?
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2016-09-11T00:54:37 < kakimir> my guru did it before me for some ABB variable frequency drive box
2016-09-11T00:55:24 < kakimir> I think it's used because there is no precision using opto
2016-09-11T00:56:14 < Steffann> It'll work probably. I just dislike it.
2016-09-11T00:56:53 < kakimir> sure you need more than one mains side resistor
2016-09-11T00:57:12 < kakimir> I butt 4 per side
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2016-09-11T00:57:16 < kakimir> 1206
2016-09-11T00:57:21 < kakimir> or 1210
2016-09-11T00:58:09 < kakimir> total of 8
2016-09-11T01:00:50 < kakimir> I wonder how all filtering things connected between ground and mains components will affect
2016-09-11T01:01:15 < kakimir> if I use IEC socket with built in filters
2016-09-11T01:01:44 < LeelooMinai> A good idea is to have isolation somehwere there - to separate the mains part from the processing part.
2016-09-11T01:02:09 < kakimir> then digitally transfer the ADC data over?
2016-09-11T01:02:12 < kakimir> sure
2016-09-11T01:02:22 < kakimir> it's more parts
2016-09-11T01:02:23 < LeelooMinai> Right, something like opto, or faster technology
2016-09-11T01:02:30 < kakimir> this isn't medical
2016-09-11T01:03:03 < kakimir> 100µA wont kill you or ruin your day anyways
2016-09-11T01:04:23 < LeelooMinai> Medical or not, still a very good idea.
2016-09-11T01:04:43 < ReadErr> attn Laurenceb
2016-09-11T01:04:45 < ReadErr> http://www.hyle.org/journal/issues/18-2/kovacs1.pdf
2016-09-11T01:05:04 < ReadErr> Gender in the Substance of Chemistry, Part 1:
2016-09-11T01:05:04 < ReadErr> The Ideal Gas
2016-09-11T01:05:24 < kakimir> my guru said that resistors wont barrier the electricity and opto will neather
2016-09-11T01:05:36 < kakimir> when it wants to go thru it will
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2016-09-11T01:07:34 < kakimir> I could easily build up overvoltage rating of 5000Volts worth of resistors in series
2016-09-11T01:09:35 < kakimir> how would it change from having 5000volt opto?
2016-09-11T01:11:27 < LeelooMinai> It's not just about voltage ratings. It's to isolate the potential source of noise, surges, etc. from the rest.
2016-09-11T01:12:59 < upgrdman> i will never think of the windows task manager the same way ever again...  https://youtu.be/4a06l_f7ZTM?t=213
2016-09-11T01:13:05 < upgrdman> dongs ^
2016-09-11T01:15:10 < Steffanx> -_-
2016-09-11T01:17:59 < Steffanx> Who actually starts the taskmgr like that?
2016-09-11T01:18:51 < upgrdman> ya, ctrl-shift-esc   master race here
2016-09-11T01:22:48 < LeelooMinai> WinKey-X T:)
2016-09-11T01:23:16 < karlp> zyp: yeah, unless you know some c++ trick to default the return val.  not like you've been shy about changing the api anyway, it's an "upgrade" ;)
2016-09-11T01:23:27 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Hn1rPQouU
2016-09-11T01:24:03 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, takes too long. ctrl-shift-esc is like one motion, don't even need to sequence it. just three fingers slammed on the kyb... done
2016-09-11T01:24:22 < LeelooMinai> But WinKey-X presents you with many options
2016-09-11T01:24:30 < upgrdman> so does herpes
2016-09-11T01:24:48 < LeelooMinai> I don't know about that
2016-09-11T01:24:55 < upgrdman> lol
2016-09-11T01:26:13 < LeelooMinai> Also, personally I can remember easier sequences names after first leters of tasks. So I can remember that T is for task manager. Ctrl-Shift-Esc - I would forget ieventually what it means:)
2016-09-11T01:27:32 < upgrdman> your pc is too stable then ;) use it often enough and you wont forget
2016-09-11T01:28:16 < Steffanx> Or just stop using windows ;)
2016-09-11T01:28:23 < upgrdman> i wish i could
2016-09-11T01:28:51 < upgrdman> linux is home-sweet-home, os x is decent... windows is, well, almost tolerable. but work needs to get done.
2016-09-11T01:34:28 < upgrdman> damn. ate the entire box of poopwafels. no self control :/
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2016-09-11T02:24:21 < upgrdman> anyone know how the cc2500 and nrf24 stuff compare?
2016-09-11T02:24:27 < upgrdman> seems like nrf is more popular
2016-09-11T02:24:33 < aandrew> nrf has incredible support
2016-09-11T02:24:38 < aandrew> nordic developer zone
2016-09-11T02:24:46 < upgrdman> zone == some forum?
2016-09-11T02:25:19 < aandrew> yeah
2016-09-11T02:25:51 < upgrdman> ya. the issue is i already know the basics of cc2500, so im not sure if i would gain much by switching to whats popular
2016-09-11T02:26:09 < upgrdman> it'd be one thing if the nrf was a lot faster or better, but if similar... fuck it
2016-09-11T02:27:36 < LeelooMinai> Well, can it do 2Mbps?
2016-09-11T02:27:53 < aandrew> upgrdman: stick with what you got
2016-09-11T02:28:02 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, no
2016-09-11T02:28:04 < upgrdman> can nrf?
2016-09-11T02:28:08 < upgrdman> aandrew, k
2016-09-11T02:28:13 < LeelooMinai> So why do you say it's not a lot faster? :)
2016-09-11T02:28:24 < aandrew> there's no need to learn something new just because it's popular
2016-09-11T02:28:24 < upgrdman> i didnt. i said i didnt know
2016-09-11T02:28:44 < PeterM> heh, remember before nordic became popular and getting any information (even datasheets) required ndas, and getting support was only possible if you had 100k units/month
2016-09-11T02:28:47 < aandrew> nrf can do the shockburst protocol that the 24l01+ can do, what is that max rate, 1mpbs?
2016-09-11T02:28:52 < upgrdman> aandrew, true. but for new designs, i dont want to be one of those douches uses old shit just because i dont want to learn something better
2016-09-11T02:29:18 < aandrew> upgrdman: heh I don't think cc2500 is going anywhere
2016-09-11T02:29:37 < upgrdman> i get so pissed at a few of my coworkers that want do 8051 + assembly for everything, because it's all the know. etc.
2016-09-11T02:29:56 < LeelooMinai> lol
2016-09-11T02:30:11 < aandrew> upgrdman: I am actually starting a brand new 8051 design
2016-09-11T02:30:14 < aandrew> no shit
2016-09-11T02:30:21 < upgrdman> lol
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2016-09-11T02:30:33 < LeelooMinai> It's called deevolution:p
2016-09-11T02:30:33 < aandrew> there's a damn good reason for it though
2016-09-11T02:31:03 < upgrdman> one of my coworkers proposed a board with 4 8051's on it. any modern mcu with DMA could do it all in one.
2016-09-11T02:31:19 < upgrdman> aandrew, rad hardened?
2016-09-11T02:31:34 < PeterM> 8051 is worth learning, jsut because one day you probably will have to, so its better to hjave a leg up in hte first place - that said, used shit old  cores for the sake of it is dumb
2016-09-11T02:31:39 < upgrdman> i've seen a few modern designs with 6502, but only because of a rad qualification needed
2016-09-11T02:32:01 < aandrew> upgrdman: nah, 125C rating though
2016-09-11T02:32:01 < PeterM> its probbaly built into some SoC already in the bom.
2016-09-11T02:32:13 < LeelooMinai> I am pretty sure that one day I will not have to learn 8051
2016-09-11T02:32:19 < upgrdman> ya i learned 8051 asm in school
2016-09-11T02:32:21 < aandrew> 125C ambient, CAN and ADC
2016-09-11T02:32:27 < upgrdman> nice
2016-09-11T02:32:31 < aandrew> couldn't find anything cheaper and with a decent package
2016-09-11T02:32:46 < PeterM> whats teh adc liek at 125c
2016-09-11T02:33:00 < aandrew> PeterM: good enough. it own't win any awards
2016-09-11T02:33:03 < upgrdman> 300LSB of noise? :)
2016-09-11T02:33:14 < LeelooMinai> 1/2 ENOB
2016-09-11T02:33:45 < PeterM> "it's like a 2 big gpio"
2016-09-11T02:33:48 < PeterM> *bit
2016-09-11T02:33:54 < upgrdman> :)
2016-09-11T02:35:49 < aandrew> tracking error is like 7.7ppm/oC
2016-09-11T02:36:44 < LeelooMinai> So 0.7% for 100 deg C
2016-09-11T02:36:52 < upgrdman> hmmm. cc2500 module with pa/lna. supposed to do +20dBm output power. wonder how far that'll go, real world
2016-09-11T02:37:26 < upgrdman> but compared to 1dBm with no PA, should be better
2016-09-11T02:38:04 < aandrew> upgrdman: quintic has a really nice chip too... -95dBm RX sens
2016-09-11T02:39:06 < upgrdman> im gonna have to do cc2500 or nrf24, since theyre what i cna get for free
2016-09-11T02:39:21 < upgrdman> and im not doing anything worth paying for right now
2016-09-11T02:39:23 < aandrew> and Cypress has one too
2016-09-11T02:39:25 < aandrew> but yes
2016-09-11T02:42:22 < sync> upgrdman: I had 8051 and avr asm in school
2016-09-11T02:42:33 < upgrdman> cool
2016-09-11T02:42:57 < upgrdman> supposedly my uni switched to some cortex asm 1yr after i got my degree
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2016-09-11T03:01:09 < Laurenceb__> wow
2016-09-11T03:01:25  * Laurenceb__ has just been on mental train journey
2016-09-11T03:01:45 < Laurenceb__> me some Brexit bashers
2016-09-11T03:03:39 < aandrew> Laurenceb__: oh?
2016-09-11T03:05:44 < Laurenceb__> them: "OI, Brexit or Remain?"
2016-09-11T03:05:50 < Laurenceb__> me: "Brexit"
2016-09-11T03:06:09 < Laurenceb__> them: "Good answer, have a free cider -  pass me a can of cider"
2016-09-11T03:06:21 < Laurenceb__> guy behind me : "Fuck off racist scum"
2016-09-11T03:06:36 < Laurenceb__> them: *massive beatdown*
2016-09-11T03:06:58 < Laurenceb__> Britain is going crazy man
2016-09-11T03:07:38 < Laurenceb__> literally cider or a beating
2016-09-11T03:10:42 < upgrdman> noice
2016-09-11T03:12:05 < aandrew> lol
2016-09-11T03:12:10 < aandrew> now seriously, brexit or remain?
2016-09-11T03:12:24 < Laurenceb__> Brexit
2016-09-11T03:13:29 < Laurenceb__> they literally had a box of cider cans and were ambushing people taking short cut
2016-09-11T03:13:39 < Laurenceb__> didn't know devvo characters did politics
2016-09-11T03:13:55 < Laurenceb__> maybe it was a /pol/ meetup
2016-09-11T03:14:55 < PeterM> nah, was a bodybuildingforum.com meet up
2016-09-11T03:15:45 < Laurenceb__> heh
2016-09-11T03:16:12 < Laurenceb__> yeah, right mix of crazy and athletic fitness
2016-09-11T03:17:44 < Laurenceb__> but the crazy doesn't end there, I also ended up in a carriage with the asshole responsible for latex stylesheets for a journal I was trying to submit to
2016-09-11T03:18:40 < Laurenceb__> I know this because they were having a ragefit on their phone try to offload the work of fixing the clusterfuck to someone else
2016-09-11T03:18:44 < Laurenceb__> what are the chances
2016-09-11T03:20:12 < Laurenceb__> and a batshit insane "Pastor" who said that science was moar ebil than ISIS and in fact christianity should learn the ways of ISIS
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2016-09-11T03:22:33 < zyp> karlp, true
2016-09-11T03:23:24 < Laurenceb__> it would actually have been less batshit insane staying on the internets all the time
2016-09-11T03:24:22 < Laurenceb__> irl Poe is a scary thing
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2016-09-11T03:25:18 < upgrdman> poe?
2016-09-11T03:25:36 < Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
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2016-09-11T03:42:09 < karlp> hrm, zyp, I gues an alternative would be to have a second api, rather than a return code, on to change ack _now_ and one for use within the handle_out callback.
2016-09-11T03:42:31 < karlp> I just felt that the return was cleaner and more like setup
2016-09-11T03:50:04 < karlp> upgrdman: great dongs taskmgr link thnx
2016-09-11T03:54:31 < zyp> karlp, yeah, it's reasonable
2016-09-11T03:54:51 < zyp> I mean, the return
2016-09-11T04:02:36 < karlp> thanks for teaching me usb, I learnt a lot writing the laks version
2016-09-11T04:04:02 < Emil> karlp: who taught you usb and where?`
2016-09-11T04:04:53 < upgrdman> karlp, :)
2016-09-11T04:06:12 < karlp> Emil: long backlog conversatoin sorry :)
2016-09-11T04:07:37 < Emil> :(
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2016-09-11T04:11:00 < karlp> Emil: the tl;dr version is long hours of failure and some helpful feedback from thsi channel tought me a little bit of usb :)
2016-09-11T04:11:23 < Emil> >usb
2016-09-11T04:11:37 < Emil> >many hours of pain and frustration
2016-09-11T04:11:47 < Emil> didnt expect anything else, really :D
2016-09-11T04:13:27 < karlp> well, you can actually do an awful lot very easily very quickly
2016-09-11T04:13:33 < karlp> just depends what else you want to do
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2016-09-11T05:39:38 < dongs> ALERT:  Some of our applications are undergoing maintenance from 6:30 PM ET, Saturday, September 10 through 2 AM ET, Sunday, September 11, 2016. We apologize for any inconvenience.
2016-09-11T05:39:41 < dongs> FUCK YOU USPS
2016-09-11T05:43:14 < upgrdman> lol. usps can't handle 9/11 huh
2016-09-11T05:45:21 < emeb_mac> big fun today - got 64MB SDRAM working on an F7 board I did.
2016-09-11T05:46:31 < emeb_mac> had wrong value for CAS latency - that made for a big of disgruntlement.
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2016-09-11T05:54:09 < dongs> cool
2016-09-11T05:54:13 < dongs> whatcha gonna fill it with
2016-09-11T05:54:22 < dongs> 192khz/24bit audio samples?
2016-09-11T05:54:29 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-11T06:03:13 < emeb_mac> dongs: not 192k. 48 or 96 probably.
2016-09-11T06:03:39 < emeb_mac> 24-bit converted to single precision floats
2016-09-11T06:04:21 < dongs> good times
2016-09-11T06:04:45 < stvn> i play mp3s mate
2016-09-11T06:05:23 < dongs>  i play di.fm 48kbps AAC-HE
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2016-09-11T06:14:05 < stvn> sup brother Steffan
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2016-09-11T06:19:33 < aandrew> wait
2016-09-11T06:19:35 < aandrew> YOU
2016-09-11T06:19:44 < aandrew> YOU, dongs, YOU listen to EDM?
2016-09-11T06:19:58 < dongs> yea like no wai???
2016-09-11T06:20:04 < dongs> they dont have any good hhc tho
2016-09-11T06:20:16 < stvn> wtf is edm
2016-09-11T06:20:32 < aandrew> I find I'm really fucking picky about EDM
2016-09-11T06:20:44 < aandrew> hhc lol
2016-09-11T06:20:47 < aandrew> now I"ve heard everything
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2016-09-11T06:28:50 < stvn> hey whats up man, welcome to another episode of niggas doin yoga... it's whatever man, it's just some yoga, let's go
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2016-09-11T07:26:41 < Thorn__> dongs EDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocW3fBqPQkU
2016-09-11T07:27:52 < aandrew> lol
2016-09-11T07:27:55 < aandrew> how the fuck do you find that
2016-09-11T07:28:32 < PeterM> i thought that was R2COM edm.
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2016-09-11T08:04:57 < Thorn__> can you simulate a 50 Ohm input on a cheap scope by attaching a tee with a terminator to it?
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2016-09-11T08:05:36 < PeterM> provided your tee is shortand of high quality, along with yourt terminator, yes
2016-09-11T08:09:31 < Thorn> >high quality
2016-09-11T08:09:33 < Thorn> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/50-Ohm-BNC-Tee-BNC-KJK-New-Copper-Green-RoHS-Adapter/32697928124.html
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2016-09-11T09:34:15 < upgrdman> lolwut  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr4vnX55jmM&feature=youtu.be
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2016-09-11T09:50:20 < ReadErr> HAPPY BIRTHDAY DONGS !!!!
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2016-09-11T12:46:19 < BrainDamage> re tee: high quality doesn't matter, physical size vs wavelength does, you want so that length of arm to oscope < wavelength/10,  otherwise you start seeing reflections, it's effectively an open end stub in parallel to your transmission line
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2016-09-11T13:28:20 < PeterM> BrainDamage, quality does matter if the center pin doesn't make reliable contact, which ive seen with lots of poor quality Ts, and with poor quality terminators, often the resistive element is soldered poorly with unnessecarily long leads
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2016-09-11T13:41:04 < stvn> Tectu is back in the house
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2016-09-11T13:43:20 < Tectu> I've never been gone. I just changed my nick.
2016-09-11T13:43:22 < Tectu> Mr. crt.
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2016-09-11T13:46:17 < stvn> welcome
2016-09-11T13:46:57 < Steffanx> Thanks.
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2016-09-11T14:02:30 < kakimir> stvn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7Z_-nfVUS4
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2016-09-11T14:17:54 < stvn> thanks for sharing kakimir
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2016-09-11T14:34:44 < kakimir> isn't that cool thing
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2016-09-11T14:43:35 < kakimir> do voltage followers usually become stable without passives to feedback Laurenceb__ ?
2016-09-11T14:43:50 < Laurenceb__> hi
2016-09-11T14:43:59 < Laurenceb__> voltage followers?
2016-09-11T14:44:06 < kakimir> basic opamp circuit
2016-09-11T14:44:14 < Laurenceb__> you mean opamp with output to negative feedback?
2016-09-11T14:44:14 < jpa-> most opamps are unity gain stable
2016-09-11T14:44:18 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2016-09-11T14:44:20 < jpa-> not all, so check datasheet
2016-09-11T14:44:50 < Laurenceb__> decoupling caps on supply help
2016-09-11T14:45:16 < Laurenceb__>  - for performance, don't try to operate an opamp that says its not unity gain stable
2016-09-11T14:45:43 < kakimir> should I butt caps in output?
2016-09-11T14:45:50 < kakimir> like 10n
2016-09-11T14:45:53 < jpa-> not blindly
2016-09-11T14:46:14 < jpa-> if you aim to stabilize it by adding caps somewhere, you should have a test method or calculations done first
2016-09-11T14:46:21 < jpa-> otherwise you are just as likely to destabilize
2016-09-11T14:46:39 < kakimir> most likelly it's stable as it is
2016-09-11T14:47:07 < sync> calculate the root locus and then use full state feedback to stabilize sour shit
2016-09-11T14:47:16 < Laurenceb__> yeah caps durectly on opamp output to gnd are a bad idea
2016-09-11T14:47:28 < Laurenceb__> sync: that shit confuses me lol
2016-09-11T14:47:43 < stvn> rltool is fun
2016-09-11T14:47:48 < Laurenceb__> I need to intuitively understand poles and zeros
2016-09-11T14:47:56 < Laurenceb__> rltool? is this free?
2016-09-11T14:48:08 < stvn> its just a rootlocus thing in methlab
2016-09-11T14:48:15 < Laurenceb__> ah, sounds good, thanks
2016-09-11T14:49:02 < sync> Laurenceb__: it is not that hard to understand
2016-09-11T14:49:09 < sync> mit has a good control theory class
2016-09-11T14:49:35 < Laurenceb__> ok
2016-09-11T14:50:18 < sync> constructing root loci by hand is fucking annoying tho
2016-09-11T14:50:28 < kakimir> I don't have methlab
2016-09-11T14:50:31 < kakimir> or skills to use it
2016-09-11T14:50:36 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2016-09-11T14:50:40 < stvn> [:
2016-09-11T14:50:52 < Laurenceb__> so use octave, and its trivially easy to use
2016-09-11T14:50:58 < kakimir> should have done skools
2016-09-11T14:53:21 < sync> having done schools would help, probably
2016-09-11T14:53:26 < ReadErr> http://i.imgur.com/JpYuEcK.png
2016-09-11T14:53:31 < ReadErr> ada lul
2016-09-11T14:53:43 < ReadErr> given that is not even close to what i searched for
2016-09-11T14:54:15 < Laurenceb__> epin lulz
2016-09-11T14:56:58 < sync> on a srs note tho Laurenceb__, how can you design a kalman filter without understanding fsf and rl?
2016-09-11T14:57:45 < Laurenceb__> because a Kalman just works if your assumptions about noise etc are correct
2016-09-11T14:58:02 < Laurenceb__> plug in your model to Kalman -> Kalman works
2016-09-11T14:58:21 < sync> sure but to do it properly you should understand fsf
2016-09-11T14:58:24 < Laurenceb__> if the Kalman fails then either you have an error or your model is wrong
2016-09-11T15:00:24 < Laurenceb__> Kalman isnt necessarily about feedback control
2016-09-11T15:00:44 < kakimir> I have my first butterwurth in my design
2016-09-11T15:01:05 < Steffanx> worth.
2016-09-11T15:01:29 < sync> well, usually it is Laurenceb__
2016-09-11T15:01:34 < BrainDamage> the important butter is fine, try to design a sallen key filter and keep it stable
2016-09-11T15:02:36 < Laurenceb__> atm I'm try to publish a journal article about Kalman filtering laser doppler flowmetry data
2016-09-11T15:02:42 < Laurenceb__> for blood flow estimation
2016-09-11T15:02:44 < sync> sallen key is pretty seksi because you cannot get complex zeros
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2016-09-11T16:49:50 < Laurenceb__> my dad rings me up from US
2016-09-11T16:50:01 < Laurenceb__>  *teh ebil brexit, racist*
2016-09-11T16:52:34 < kakimir> who is your dad?
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2016-09-11T17:25:47 < Rob235> I am
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2016-09-11T17:47:57 < Steffanx> Trump is.
2016-09-11T17:51:49 < Rob235> man this auto tuning is a pain in the ass, I'm not sure how I should do it
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2016-09-11T18:03:45 < Rob235> https://github.com/d-ronin/dRonin/blob/next/flight/Doc/Autotuning%20Derivation.pdf
2016-09-11T18:03:53 < Rob235> like seriously... wtf does that mean
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2016-09-11T18:08:10 < wanderman> hi
2016-09-11T18:08:25 < Rob235> hello
2016-09-11T18:10:32 < kakimir> I have failed. Have I failed? I do not IO with mcu directly at all
2016-09-11T18:10:47 < kakimir> I use string of bit shift registers for outbutts
2016-09-11T18:10:59 < kakimir> muxes for analog and digital inputs
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2016-09-11T18:11:40 < kakimir> I just realized I have done stypid I should have thought earlier
2016-09-11T18:14:56 < kakimir> or maybe this is the right way
2016-09-11T18:16:24 < kakimir> there is minimal bounding to type of mcu used
2016-09-11T18:51:20 < Rob235> anyone know if the ziegler-nichols pid tuning method works well?
2016-09-11T18:56:34 < Laurenceb__> Rob235: it works
2016-09-11T18:56:48 < Rob235> does it work well?
2016-09-11T18:56:50 < Laurenceb__> and it seems to reliably product stable solutions
2016-09-11T18:57:00 < Rob235> ok
2016-09-11T18:57:02 < Laurenceb__> but it def does not work "well"
2016-09-11T18:57:08 < Rob235> hmm
2016-09-11T18:57:21 < Rob235> maybe I shouldn't waste my time then... I'm lost, I don't know where to go from here
2016-09-11T18:57:27 < Laurenceb__> it produces solutions that are somewhat slow and nasty
2016-09-11T18:57:56 < Laurenceb__> maybe start with zeigler-nichols then start hand tuning using standard hand tuning rules
2016-09-11T18:58:18 < Rob235> I want to write an autotune function but I need a method to follow that works
2016-09-11T18:58:22 < Laurenceb__> as you will have a stable starting point
2016-09-11T18:58:33 < Laurenceb__> yeah thats kind of hard :P
2016-09-11T18:58:44 < Laurenceb__> especially as you dont want to lose control
2016-09-11T18:58:47 < Rob235> taulabs/dRonin seem to have a good one
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2016-09-11T18:59:02 < Rob235> but I read the pdf and it's way over my head
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2016-09-11T18:59:43 < Rob235> maybe if I put time into understanding it... I don't know if thats the way to go either though
2016-09-11T19:11:33 < Rob235> damnit.... I think I should switch to a two pid loop structure
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2016-09-11T19:47:25 < kakimir> 9/11 pumps
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2016-09-11T19:57:11 < Rob235> fuck it, i'm writing my own method from scratch, its gonna be bomb diggity
2016-09-11T19:57:36 < Rob235> oh, poor choice of words today I guess, sorry
2016-09-11T19:59:54 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnqzIYZR1GA music pumps
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2016-09-11T20:30:17 < sync> Rob235: that pdf is actually a not too shitty way to do it
2016-09-11T20:30:40 < Rob235> I don't doubt that, I think its just over my head
2016-09-11T20:30:44 < Rob235> maybe if I read it a few times
2016-09-11T20:31:08 < sync> well, you gotta understand control theory to do it properly
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2016-09-11T21:16:26 < mra90> after reset my stm32F4 instead of start from start of flash is in "0x31045042 in ?? ()"
2016-09-11T21:16:34 < mra90> anybody knows what is wrong?
2016-09-11T21:20:28 < scummos> some ISR address not set (correctly) in the vector table?
2016-09-11T21:22:21 < mra90> scummos: thanks
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2016-09-11T22:13:08 < kakimir> dongs: http://i.imgur.com/B5O8WD5.jpg
2016-09-11T22:22:12 < Steffanx> hah
2016-09-11T22:25:30 < kakimir> it's true
2016-09-11T22:25:34 < kakimir> dongs knows it
2016-09-11T22:25:51 < Steffanx> Maybe Christ didnt die and dongs = christ
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2016-09-11T22:27:15 < kakimir> how would it feel like to live 900 years
2016-09-11T22:27:37 < kakimir> and you have already done under 5% of it
2016-09-11T22:28:00 < Steffanx> 900? more like somewhere around 2016
2016-09-11T22:29:49 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-Bluetooth-Handheld-POS-USB-Laser-Barcode-Number-Scanner-Bar-Code-Reader-/161835192410 anyone know how crappy these are?
2016-09-11T22:30:00 < kakimir> wired one works like no problems
2016-09-11T22:31:30 < kakimir> oh it has  700mAh lipo and charged with usb
2016-09-11T22:31:37 < kakimir> good stuff
2016-09-11T22:35:22 < kakimir> already ordered
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2016-09-11T23:03:06 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRFhoVFlkZ1VELUU/view?usp=sharing recommends to my mains block?
2016-09-11T23:03:50 < kakimir> shouldn't I have tvs from both phase and neutral to gnd to keep line referenced to ground?
2016-09-11T23:05:11 < kakimir> in hypothetical case fed from some transformer or other reason line is not ground referenced
2016-09-11T23:05:26 < kakimir> or case when ground is broken and floating?
2016-09-11T23:06:08 < sync> you usually want X/Y caps too to short out shit coming from your device
2016-09-11T23:08:44 < kakimir> oh I should have one cap mains side of CMC between phase and neutral and then 2 load side of CMC connecting phase and neutral to gnd?
2016-09-11T23:09:08 < kakimir> https://www.tecategroup.com/capacitors/applications/TG_safety_capacitors/Image_003.png
2016-09-11T23:09:21 < kakimir> bleed resistor.. good idea?
2016-09-11T23:09:47 < upgrdman> bleed resistors across an HV caps are good
2016-09-11T23:10:52 < kakimir> I think I once repaired some electrical appliciance myself
2016-09-11T23:10:59 < kakimir> and left resistor out
2016-09-11T23:11:03 < Ecco> Hi
2016-09-11T23:11:07 < kakimir> then got shocked
2016-09-11T23:11:11 < Ecco> Could someone explain me what's the point of SPICE simulation?
2016-09-11T23:12:49 < kakimir> to SPICE up your life
2016-09-11T23:13:42 < Ecco> :-D
2016-09-11T23:13:58 < Ecco> Seriously though
2016-09-11T23:14:03 < Ecco> I've tried reading a bit about it
2016-09-11T23:14:15 < Ecco> and I can't even figure what's the point of this tool
2016-09-11T23:14:34 < upgrdman> it helps you waste less time by trying things quickly before making hardware/breadboard
2016-09-11T23:14:37 < kakimir> what tool exactly?
2016-09-11T23:14:49 < Ecco> upgrdman: yeah, but what things?
2016-09-11T23:14:57 < kakimir> opamp circuits
2016-09-11T23:15:01 < upgrdman> well anything non-trivial, but espically analog stuff
2016-09-11T23:15:05 < kakimir> analog fun
2016-09-11T23:15:13 < Ecco> I mean, I've designed a few (simplistic) STM32 circuits without any prior SPICE simulation
2016-09-11T23:15:17 < Ecco> and they ended up working ok
2016-09-11T23:15:27 < Ecco> was I lucky?
2016-09-11T23:15:30 < kakimir> why you are reading stuff about stuff you don't need?
2016-09-11T23:15:32 < upgrdman> like "i need to drive some FETS. will the gates ring?" -> sim to find out
2016-09-11T23:15:48 < upgrdman> or "i need an analog control loop. will it be stable?" -> sim to find out
2016-09-11T23:15:49 < kakimir> upgrdman: when there is real AMPs
2016-09-11T23:15:50 < upgrdman> etc.
2016-09-11T23:15:51 < Ecco> kakimir: just out of curiosity
2016-09-11T23:15:59 < Ecco> I see
2016-09-11T23:16:16 < Ecco> So as long as I'm doing digital, I really shouldn't need it?
2016-09-11T23:16:30 < upgrdman> well anything trivial, correct
2016-09-11T23:16:33 < Ecco> I see
2016-09-11T23:16:42 < upgrdman> for anything complex, parasitics will start to fuck you in the ass
2016-09-11T23:16:46 < Ecco> Gotcha
2016-09-11T23:17:00 < Ecco> So for more complex circuits, I could need it to ensure there aren't any undesirable side effect
2016-09-11T23:17:14 < upgrdman> ya
2016-09-11T23:17:16 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbjM5SmxrdTVKY2c/view?usp=sharing there. a simulation from yasterday
2016-09-11T23:17:18 < Ecco> ok, thanks
2016-09-11T23:17:30 < upgrdman> basically for any circuit you are not extremely confident in understanding
2016-09-11T23:17:40 < Ecco> I see
2016-09-11T23:17:51 < upgrdman> and when sim'ing, because to model the real world. pcb traces have inductance, etc.
2016-09-11T23:17:57 < upgrdman> s/because/be sure
2016-09-11T23:18:04 < Ecco> indeeed
2016-09-11T23:18:15 < Ecco> for example, I'm using a cap on the RST pin
2016-09-11T23:18:25 < Ecco> to ensure the STM32 is held in reset until the power has stabilized
2016-09-11T23:18:31 < Ecco> this is something I could sim using LTSpice
2016-09-11T23:18:52 < upgrdman> iirc stm32 has PoR with hysteresis
2016-09-11T23:18:56 < Ecco> (well, RC is very easi to calculate manually)
2016-09-11T23:19:35 < Ecco> (yeah, it probably has, but given the price of a cap it can't hurt ^^)
2016-09-11T23:23:51 < upgrdman> typical jap library  http://i.imgur.com/vCarMBK.gifv
2016-09-11T23:24:27 < Ecco> That bastard will pixellate all the books :-/
2016-09-11T23:34:13 < Rob235> dum de doo
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2016-09-11T23:35:00 < Rob235> so much to do and I chose to add a radio switch detector and method of adding rules for switch positions when arming... boring
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2016-09-11T23:53:21 < kakimir> do I maybe need to add caps for on board potentiometers too
2016-09-11T23:55:17 < Rob235> if I only have smd components I can just solder them onto aluminum foil right?
2016-09-11T23:55:42 < kakimir> is this some sort of question competition?
2016-09-11T23:56:16 < kakimir> what are you doing Rob235 ?
2016-09-11T23:56:27 < Rob235> are there any female drones
2016-09-11T23:56:39 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: You cannot solder to aliuminum with normal solder.
2016-09-11T23:56:39 < kakimir> does solder stick to aluminum foil?
2016-09-11T23:56:44 < kakimir> there
2016-09-11T23:57:01 < kakimir> no worries there is copper foil
2016-09-11T23:57:12 < Rob235> LeelooMinai: I was only joking, that would be a terrible idea, I'm just going mad.  I haven't coded in a while since I got the drone flying and I started up again and its making my brain hurt
2016-09-11T23:57:23 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSF9tQUJaUnZ1cFU/view?usp=sharing
2016-09-11T23:57:41 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMGVFTm9KblhvS3c/view?usp=sharing and in kilogram price
2016-09-11T23:58:24 < kakimir> should have collected that bucket just in case
2016-09-11T23:59:19 < kakimir> first one was some 8euros or so and last one would have been like 20euros maybe
2016-09-11T23:59:41 < Rob235> switch_add_arming_rule(switch_rules, STATE_RX_CHANNEL_TOGGLE_R_2POS, STATE_RX_RULE_EQUAL_TO, STATE_RX_POSITION_0);
2016-09-11T23:59:45 < Rob235> thats not very pretty
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2016-09-12T00:00:38 < kakimir> are you working on some existing code?
2016-09-12T00:01:45 < Rob235> I'm adding to my flight controller a way to make sure certain switches are all in valid positions when arming the copter
2016-09-12T00:02:06 < Rob235> seems like it could be important down the road when switches do more than change led brightness
2016-09-12T00:03:42 < Rob235> its fine, I can clean up code later if need be, its really not that bad
2016-09-12T00:03:59 < Rob235> maybe just change the name of the function :)
2016-09-12T00:04:15 < kakimir> make sure switches are clear but code is mess
2016-09-12T00:04:51 < Rob235> how about they both be clear
2016-09-12T00:07:56 < LeelooMinai> That's what happens when you program in C and have no OOP and namespaces - scary names.
2016-09-12T00:09:30 < kakimir> just write as long names it needs
2016-09-12T00:10:10 < Thorn> Object-Oriented Programming with ANSI-С  https://www.cs.rit.edu/~ats/books/ooc.pdf
2016-09-12T00:12:10 < LeelooMinai> Won't help much with the need to make silly names.
2016-09-12T00:12:19 < Rob235> yea, I don't want to start abbreviated shit just because its long, thats when things start to get ugly
2016-09-12T00:12:43 < kakimir> what if making seperate programs and combine them like..
2016-09-12T00:12:49 < kakimir> somehow
2016-09-12T00:13:07 < kakimir> when there is too much
2016-09-12T00:13:41 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: lol, what?
2016-09-12T00:14:07 < Rob235> yea I don't follow either
2016-09-12T00:14:41 < Rob235> I can split it up into separate files/libraries and not include so much depth in each to keep names shorter
2016-09-12T00:15:32 < LeelooMinai> For my μC projects I just use subset of C++ features, newest gcc, no exceptions, RTTI, etc. and it's all good.
2016-09-12T00:17:00 < Rob235> I was new to all this when I started this project and I used a free IDE with no size limit.  the c++ support looked sketchy so I just decided to go with C and now here we are
2016-09-12T00:19:29 < LeelooMinai> The lastest C++ specs have some features that make it pretty nice for embedded programming. For example, constexpr - you can nicely pre-compute/construct things during runtime, without ugliness like C macros.
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2016-09-12T00:19:45 < LeelooMinai> During compile*
2016-09-12T00:20:27 < LeelooMinai> So I can have code like this for example: http://i.imgur.com/snbpC5S.png
2016-09-12T00:21:03 < LeelooMinai> And this ends up in ROM area magically as a pre-cooked Config with all the bit fields correctly set.
2016-09-12T00:21:19 < LeelooMinai> So 0 runtime overhead in code.
2016-09-12T00:22:52 < LeelooMinai> Keeps unnecessary coding to minimum too, is type-safe, minimizes the risk of making mistakes, etc.
2016-09-12T00:23:09 < upgrdman> mmmm pre-cooked
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2016-09-12T00:23:16 < upgrdman> sounds delicious
2016-09-12T00:23:41 < Thorn> speaking of ltspice: is there a stm32 gpio model for it?
2016-09-12T00:23:52 < upgrdman> prolly not
2016-09-12T00:24:08 < LeelooMinai> ltspice is pretty generic
2016-09-12T00:24:49 < sync> oh god what aids is that
2016-09-12T00:25:37 < LeelooMinai> It deals with stuff on transistor and even lower level, so unless someone made those models, I don't think so.
2016-09-12T00:26:12 < LeelooMinai> Now there's a format that describes GPIO characteristics, forgot the name though, that some higher-leve tools can use.
2016-09-12T00:26:43 < Laurenceb__> I dont see why you would simulate stm32 in ltspice
2016-09-12T00:26:50 < Laurenceb__> also ltspice isn't aids
2016-09-12T00:26:54 < Laurenceb__> it's nice
2016-09-12T00:27:09 < Laurenceb__> but terminal spice is also possible :D
2016-09-12T00:27:11 < LeelooMinai> Well, I think what was meant was just simulation GPIO cells
2016-09-12T00:27:29 < sync> Laurenceb__: I meant the codes
2016-09-12T00:27:44 < Laurenceb__> ah
2016-09-12T00:27:54 < Thorn> you could simulate a mosfet connected to a gpio output for example
2016-09-12T00:28:11 < Laurenceb__> maybe...
2016-09-12T00:28:27 < Thorn> how fast it turns on/off, do you need resistors, do you need a driver
2016-09-12T00:28:28 < LeelooMinai> sync: What codes? My code?
2016-09-12T00:28:29 < Laurenceb__> and then get completely different performance when you get some stm32 from a different fab
2016-09-12T00:28:49 < sync> yeah LeelooMinai
2016-09-12T00:29:04 < Laurenceb__> I've seen this with GPIO characteristics
2016-09-12T00:29:08 < Thorn> that is the problem with simulation. no accurate model => no accurate sim
2016-09-12T00:29:12 < Thorn> (GIGO)
2016-09-12T00:29:13 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2016-09-12T00:29:21 < LeelooMinai> sync: It's C++ - ever heard of it? :p
2016-09-12T00:29:23 < Laurenceb__> just a generic model of GPIO
2016-09-12T00:29:25 < sync> you can just calculate it yourself
2016-09-12T00:29:34 < sync> no LeelooMinai
2016-09-12T00:29:42 < Laurenceb__> then try the extremes of the performance range if they are published
2016-09-12T00:29:47 < LeelooMinai> sync: A, ok, that explains it:p
2016-09-12T00:29:54 < Laurenceb__> stm32 does always seem to obey datasheet specs
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2016-09-12T00:30:14 < Laurenceb__> its just that part to part variance is quite low and often parts can seem to overperform
2016-09-12T00:30:29 < Laurenceb__> then you get some from another fab and they are very different
2016-09-12T00:30:43 < sync> I'd rather do asm or write bytes into an hex editor than to use c++
2016-09-12T00:30:52 < sync> I just don't see why it does anything better
2016-09-12T00:31:00 < LeelooMinai> sync: Yes, you don't I guess...
2016-09-12T00:31:17 < Laurenceb__> sync: I thought the same thing
2016-09-12T00:31:22 < upgrdman> is r2com banned in here?
2016-09-12T00:31:34 < Laurenceb__> but it seems a little nicer to organise large projects in c++
2016-09-12T00:31:45 < LeelooMinai> lol, "a little"
2016-09-12T00:32:38 < sync> which makes using Qt hugely annoying
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2016-09-12T00:32:59 < Laurenceb__> I guess I would say <16k of code == 8 bit, <128k c on arm, >128k, c++ maybe worth it
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2016-09-12T00:33:30 < Laurenceb__> Qt is quite annoying to organise, I have that problem
2016-09-12T00:33:46 < LeelooMinai> Misconceptions - you can use C++ in a way that will not create code larger than C.
2016-09-12T00:33:54 < Laurenceb__> but I guess it just means you need experience
2016-09-12T00:34:20 < LeelooMinai> You just need to know what ends up compiled as what and do not do retarded things.
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2016-09-12T00:34:48 < LeelooMinai> Just choose the features that make coding more elegant, but do not have overhead.
2016-09-12T00:35:06 < LeelooMinai> And do not do crazy things like handling exceptions, etc.
2016-09-12T00:35:53 < LeelooMinai> If you do it right, you end up with "fixed" C and code that is less noise, and less copy-paste, less error prone, more type safe, etc.
2016-09-12T00:36:21 < LeelooMinai> Or you can think that you are cool if you program everything in ASM:)
2016-09-12T00:36:55 < sync> that's not really the reason
2016-09-12T00:37:07 < LeelooMinai> What is not a reason?
2016-09-12T00:37:40 < sync> being cool doing everything in asm, I just have to do a lot of binary patching for strange architectures
2016-09-12T00:37:44 < LeelooMinai> No one sane writes assembly code for ARM, etc. if there's no need for it.
2016-09-12T00:37:50 < Steffanx> he was for a short while upgrdman. And now he no longer wants to be here. upgrdman
2016-09-12T00:38:03 < upgrdman> bummer
2016-09-12T00:38:16 < Steffanx> at least, i guess that's the case.
2016-09-12T00:38:32 < Thorn> in case someone hasn't yet seen it, classical example of c++11 stm32 code http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb/dwc_otg.h?id=4100075 and so on
2016-09-12T00:39:02 < sync> well, I like writing asm, it does what I want, is easy to understand nothing interferes with what I think the cpu should do
2016-09-12T00:39:28 < LeelooMinai> Looks ok, but I try to avoid virtual methods if possible - they have a bit of overhead. But in many cases it may not matter much, so ok.
2016-09-12T00:40:06 < upgrdman> Steffanx, r2com says he "cant send" to this channel
2016-09-12T00:40:12 < upgrdman> is he still quiet'd
2016-09-12T00:40:14 < Steffanx> fo reals?
2016-09-12T00:40:18 < Steffanx> for reals
2016-09-12T00:40:21 < upgrdman> ya
2016-09-12T00:40:29 < upgrdman> we're chatting in ##fpga
2016-09-12T00:40:42 < Laurenceb__> holy shit
2016-09-12T00:40:44 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-37332307
2016-09-12T00:40:46 < Steffanx> hmm, i guess i have to blame mr Tectu for that.
2016-09-12T00:41:03 < upgrdman> tectu's an op in here too?
2016-09-12T00:41:07 < Laurenceb__> the batshit "pastor" guy I met on a train yesterday organised that
2016-09-12T00:41:10 < Steffanx> yes upgrdman
2016-09-12T00:41:10 < LeelooMinai> sync: If people thought like this, there would be no useful complex software by now:)
2016-09-12T00:41:23 < sync> are you sure about that?
2016-09-12T00:41:53 < LeelooMinai> sync: Yes, pretty sure - you cannot make complex software in assembly in a reasonable way. Unless you have unlimited resources and time...
2016-09-12T00:42:02 < Laurenceb__> <LeelooMinai> No one sane writes assembly code for ARM
2016-09-12T00:42:04 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2016-09-12T00:42:10 < Laurenceb__> arm asm is really nice
2016-09-12T00:42:26 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb__: You cut the key part of that sentence...
2016-09-12T00:42:43 < LeelooMinai> Now it's not what I really wrote:p
2016-09-12T00:42:55 < sync> well, tell that bosch or one of my former companies
2016-09-12T00:43:06 < Laurenceb__> LeelooMinai: you can write faster dsp and other subroutines in asm
2016-09-12T00:43:20 < Laurenceb__> not necessarily as the compiler is poor
2016-09-12T00:43:24 < sync> the latter make a signal processor that has about 35kloc of asm in it
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2016-09-12T00:43:49 < Laurenceb__> but because reading the actual code you can understand the comprimises you can make to improve performance
2016-09-12T00:43:51 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb__: As I wrote, you forgot the trailin part where I wrote "if there's no need for it"
2016-09-12T00:44:01 < Laurenceb__> ok
2016-09-12T00:44:04 < LeelooMinai> Sometimes there's need, but it's only in crytical parts.
2016-09-12T00:44:21 < Laurenceb__> yeah I'd agree with that
2016-09-12T00:44:28 < LeelooMinai> Try writing, say, modern CAD with GUI, etc. in assembly and good luck:)
2016-09-12T00:44:33 < Laurenceb__> heh
2016-09-12T00:44:50 < Laurenceb__> but some of the graphics subroutines might be worth it in asm
2016-09-12T00:45:08 < LeelooMinai> Sure, but you try to isolate those things and optimize at last stage.
2016-09-12T00:45:14 < sync> haha
2016-09-12T00:45:20 < sync> look at any modern cad program
2016-09-12T00:45:25 < sync> especially in mcad
2016-09-12T00:45:32 < sync> you will find *everything* under the hood
2016-09-12T00:45:34 < upgrdman> so R2COM, when you getting gta5
2016-09-12T00:46:20 < upgrdman> k
2016-09-12T00:46:34 < Steffanx> Incl. all the fancy team speak talk R2COM?
2016-09-12T00:47:22 < Steffanx> Never tried arma, but for some reason i get the idea its not really a game for the casual gamer.
2016-09-12T00:47:25 < LeelooMinai> O, I remember - that format that describes how IO behave is called IBIS.
2016-09-12T00:47:44 < LeelooMinai> You can get that format for most micros from the manufacturer site - ST has them too.
2016-09-12T00:48:19 < LeelooMinai> Using it you could probably make spice macro that will simulate the behaviour of the port.
2016-09-12T00:48:35 < LeelooMinai> On the low level that is - currents, capacitance, etc.
2016-09-12T00:48:39 < sync> I mean, most FEM stuff uses fortran
2016-09-12T00:48:50 < Steffanx> btw, do you have that code somwhere publicly available or is it all private code LeelooMinai? ( the code from that screenshot )
2016-09-12T00:49:14 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: No, it's just my internal stuff.
2016-09-12T00:49:22 < Steffanx> :(
2016-09-12T00:49:33 < LeelooMinai> I tend to write my own drivers, because the ones in C make me sad.
2016-09-12T00:49:45 < aandrew> why do C drivers make you sad?
2016-09-12T00:50:34 < LeelooMinai> Because of the C shortomings as I already wrote - no namespaces, no scoped enums, abuse of macros, less type safe, weird organisation, a lot of code duplication when using them, etc.
2016-09-12T00:50:58 < aandrew> ah
2016-09-12T00:51:57 < LeelooMinai> I don't think I mentioned it here, but yesterday I found a super-cool board for great price that can do simple SMU (great for analyzing power usage for low-power micro projects): https://wiki.analog.com/university/tools/m1k
2016-09-12T00:52:04 < LeelooMinai> Ordered it yesterday.
2016-09-12T00:52:22 < LeelooMinai> It's only $40, which is pretty amazing imo.
2016-09-12T00:52:58 < LeelooMinai> Open hardware/software, everything documented.
2016-09-12T00:53:18 < Steffanx> Wrote the sigrok support yet? ;)
2016-09-12T00:53:21 < Thorn> is it 4 quadrant?
2016-09-12T00:53:27 < upgrdman> damn it. adblockplus doesnt block ads on di.fm
2016-09-12T00:53:52 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: I mentioned it in the #sigrok channel, but if they do or not - up to them I guess:)
2016-09-12T00:54:25 < LeelooMinai> But they have useful software for it already.
2016-09-12T00:54:31 < LeelooMinai> I mean AD people.
2016-09-12T00:54:45 < LeelooMinai> So one can use it out of the box.
2016-09-12T00:58:46 < upgrdman> anyone in here "rouge conditioned unit" on steam?
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2016-09-12T01:00:56 < upgrdman> cool, friend req accepted then
2016-09-12T01:01:04 < upgrdman> wtf cant people use one screenname everywhere :)
2016-09-12T01:01:11 < upgrdman> err username
2016-09-12T01:01:21 < sync> idk LeelooMinai I never missed those features
2016-09-12T01:02:03 < LeelooMinai> sync: Well, you don't like type-safe, elegant, noise-less code?
2016-09-12T01:03:57 < sync> I don't know what elegant and noise less means
2016-09-12T01:04:13 < sync> but your code is only not type safe if you loose control over your fingers
2016-09-12T01:05:15 < LeelooMinai> Less noise means that you don't have to type things that are not necessary repeatedly. And C having no namespaces, etc. forces you to use prefixes for functions each time which end up with weird long names.
2016-09-12T01:05:53 < LeelooMinai> Elegant, well, to me it's a code that reads well, lets you express your intention effciently, etc.
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2016-09-12T01:06:38 < sync> I never prefix any of my functions
2016-09-12T01:07:19 < LeelooMinai> Right, so you name them what... write(...)? :p And then if you have two modules that use the same function then what...
2016-09-12T01:07:47 < Thorn> cherry mx blue > *
2016-09-12T01:07:49 < LeelooMinai> I have MX Blue switches - loud too
2016-09-12T01:08:21 < sync> then they use the same function
2016-09-12T01:08:23 < sync> what about it?
2016-09-12T01:08:26 < LeelooMinai> But the damn leds under the keys die periodically - now I am having like dozen of keays dead...
2016-09-12T01:09:19 < LeelooMinai> sync: If they use the same function name you have a function clash - how are you going to compile it...
2016-09-12T01:09:48 < LeelooMinai> C++ relates to hardware well too - it's not Python:)
2016-09-12T01:09:53 < sync> maybe I don't get what you mean with module
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2016-09-12T01:10:42 < LeelooMinai> No, I mean you include two headers for device1.hpp and device2.hpp and they both define function write(int value);
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2016-09-12T01:10:52 < LeelooMinai> Oopps device1.h :P
2016-09-12T01:11:10 < LeelooMinai> lol
2016-09-12T01:11:11 < sync> ah yes, that doesn't happen
2016-09-12T01:11:21 < sync> at least to me
2016-09-12T01:11:57 < LeelooMinai> englishman: That's the point, and your names grow longer - they may be sensible, but if you type them 100 times in a .c file, it's noise.
2016-09-12T01:12:30 < LeelooMinai> englishman: It may or may not be minor. If you have a name clash like that and you do not control the code you use, you have a problem.
2016-09-12T01:12:42 < Steffanx> Yes englishman, but mainly tectu and me englishman. And Ultrasauce once.
2016-09-12T01:12:59 < Steffanx> - englishman
2016-09-12T01:14:29 < Steffanx> Not the free one.
2016-09-12T01:15:54 < Steffanx> The free one is the original one, which required some other game for the engine. ( or something )
2016-09-12T01:16:02 < Steffanx> nowadays it's standalone.
2016-09-12T01:17:02 < Steffanx> The main issue for Ultrasauce was the large amount of water between the EU and the US.
2016-09-12T01:17:27 < sync> dem lags
2016-09-12T01:17:51 < Steffanx> You can't swim in this game.
2016-09-12T01:17:58 < Steffanx> oh, yes.
2016-09-12T01:19:17 < karlp> hrm, my cherry brown are still too loud, even after putting oring dampers on them.
2016-09-12T01:19:37 < karlp> the spacebar and enter key are the worst offenders thoguh, something in the mechanism there just goes _clang_ on keyup.
2016-09-12T01:19:58 < sync> the stabilizers do that
2016-09-12T01:20:12 < sync> but you know, loud pipes save lives.
2016-09-12T01:20:18 < Steffanx> Isn't noise part of the mechanical experience?
2016-09-12T01:21:01 < karlp> I'm going to ignore the loud pipes save lives trolling
2016-09-12T01:21:09 < karlp> but yeah, the stabilizers. how the fuck do you quite them down
2016-09-12T01:21:16 < sync> you can lube them
2016-09-12T01:21:28 < karlp> Steffanx: I didn't want _noise_ I wanted "feels nice" and the built in usb3 hub
2016-09-12T01:21:35 < karlp> and the actual physical media keys
2016-09-12T01:21:48 < karlp> nice fat volume knob, play/pause/next buttons.
2016-09-12T01:21:53 < sync> I always feel like the mx blues could be louder
2016-09-12T01:22:15 < sync> they don't match hammering into a model m
2016-09-12T01:24:26 < Laurenceb__> oh shit
2016-09-12T01:24:28 < Laurenceb__> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30981.0;attach=1368604;image
2016-09-12T01:24:33 < Laurenceb__> FSB confirmed
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2016-09-12T01:24:50 < Steffanx> FSB = ?
2016-09-12T01:24:52 < LeelooMinai> The what?
2016-09-12T01:25:00 < Laurenceb__> Putin did Falcon9
2016-09-12T01:25:13 < LeelooMinai> ...
2016-09-12T01:25:17 < Laurenceb__> event U does not correlate with the pad
2016-09-12T01:25:17 < Steffanx> oh that fsb -_-
2016-09-12T01:25:28 < Laurenceb__> missile launch confirmed
2016-09-12T01:26:02 < Steffanx> Sure it wasn't your father who did it and the call he made was his last one?
2016-09-12T01:26:10 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-09-12T01:26:31 < Laurenceb__> lower traces are from a nearby infrasound station
2016-09-12T01:26:38 < Laurenceb__>  - stations
2016-09-12T01:27:17 < LeelooMinai> Last time it was UFO, now Putin:p
2016-09-12T01:27:28 < Laurenceb__> CHH HD1_00 event U is believed to correspond to the "Thump" event
2016-09-12T01:27:49 < Laurenceb__> R2COM: current thinking is prob antitank rifle
2016-09-12T01:28:10 < Laurenceb__> yup
2016-09-12T01:28:22 < Steffanx> lolwut?
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2016-09-12T01:28:32 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess that would be doable by some crazy individual...
2016-09-12T01:28:32 < Laurenceb__> event U
2016-09-12T01:28:58 < Laurenceb__> its a spike on a graph
2016-09-12T01:29:13 < Laurenceb__> Elon confirmed via twitter
2016-09-12T01:29:40 < Laurenceb__>  "precursor audio events"
2016-09-12T01:30:10 < karlp> englishman: das keyboard 3
2016-09-12T01:30:18 < Laurenceb__> I guess there is now enough info to confine it along a line
2016-09-12T01:30:26 < karlp> englishman: sorry, das keyboard 4
2016-09-12T01:30:34 < Laurenceb__> someone has probably done this already in methlab lol
2016-09-12T01:32:43 < Laurenceb__> damn Glenn Thompson is on nasaspaceflight
2016-09-12T01:32:48 < Laurenceb__> shit just got real
2016-09-12T01:32:58 < Laurenceb__> inb4 NSA shuts this shit down
2016-09-12T01:33:33 < LeelooMinai> I thinks he is dead, so now we have ghosts
2016-09-12T01:33:42 < Laurenceb__> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30981.0;attach=1368603;image
2016-09-12T01:33:58 < Steffanx> that doesnt look like a thread.
2016-09-12T01:34:32  * LeelooMinai looks at the "precursor U event" and thinks "a duck"
2016-09-12T01:36:17 < Laurenceb__> her knees are weak, palms sweaty, vomit on her pantsuit already, don't forget, 9/11
2016-09-12T01:36:23 < LeelooMinai> A ninjia rocket-destroying armor-piercing gun dual wielding duck, but still a duck
2016-09-12T01:41:24 < Laurenceb__> lul posts getting deleted
2016-09-12T01:41:26 < Laurenceb__> it begins
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2016-09-12T01:42:01 < Steffanx> You should start some live blog website Laurenceb__. You are an expert.
2016-09-12T01:42:21 < Laurenceb__> yup
2016-09-12T01:42:24 < LeelooMinai> "SpaceX Files"
2016-09-12T01:42:28 < Laurenceb__> livetroller
2016-09-12T01:43:25 < Steffanx> For anyone who wants more than just a live blog: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=30981.2300
2016-09-12T01:44:44 < Laurenceb__> cara de guiri
2016-09-12T01:45:44 < BrokenCog> hello.  I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with this newly created build environment ... any insights would be great.  i've pulled this toolchain from emcraft's website for the STM32F7 Discovery board, trying to run them I get this:  http://pastebin.com/LEj6GwCS.  I'm using a Ubuntu 16 VM.
2016-09-12T01:46:02 < Steffanx> Are you on drugs  or  is the sugar getting to you Laurenceb__?
2016-09-12T01:46:10 < Laurenceb__> dunno
2016-09-12T01:46:23 < LeelooMinai> So the first:p
2016-09-12T01:46:26 < Laurenceb__> I am v drunk atm
2016-09-12T01:46:33 < Laurenceb__> had 4 pints of cider
2016-09-12T01:49:55 < Steffanx> You happen to run an 64-bit os BrokenCog?
2016-09-12T01:50:00 < Steffanx> -n
2016-09-12T01:50:40 < Thorn> what is arm-uclinuxeabi-gcc and why is it from 2010
2016-09-12T01:51:58 < BrokenCog> Thorn: arm-uclinux is the ARM GNU toolchain supplied by emcraft for their STM32F7 Disco board ... according to: http://www.emcraft.com/products/503#software .. Steffanx yes, the Ubuntu distro is 64bit.
2016-09-12T01:52:31 < Thorn> are you sure you need uclinux?
2016-09-12T01:52:58 < Thorn> arm-none-eabi toolchain is standard
2016-09-12T01:53:24 < zyp> embedded linux is a fucking mess
2016-09-12T01:53:35 < BrokenCog> I don't think it's needed, no, it's vendor supplied, hence my thought to use it initially ...
2016-09-12T01:53:44 < BrokenCog> zyp: that is an understatement.
2016-09-12T01:53:48 < zyp> yeah
2016-09-12T01:54:18 < zyp> I'm working on putting together a custom image, so I've spent some time wrapping my head around openembedded
2016-09-12T01:54:48 < zyp> for the intel edison
2016-09-12T01:55:07 < Thorn> BrokenCog: have you considered a starter project using https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded/ and some rtos for example?
2016-09-12T01:55:18 < zyp> the supplied bsp is a mess, so I tried putting together something from scratch
2016-09-12T01:55:26 < Thorn> ST has sample projects for their f7-discovery
2016-09-12T01:56:05 < Laurenceb__> space is a giant ocean
2016-09-12T01:56:09 < BrokenCog> Thorn: I've downloaded the gcc-arm-none-eabi tar file:  the binaries contained it within it are the same ELF 32bit SO Intel 803086 files ... they don't run either.
2016-09-12T01:56:12 < Laurenceb__> that's why astronauts train underwater
2016-09-12T01:56:23 < Laurenceb__> algea was found on the international space station
2016-09-12T01:56:26 < BrokenCog> *downloaded from launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded
2016-09-12T01:57:04 < BrokenCog> Thorn: I know they do ... I'm not being argumentative ... but I've spent the past three days trying every link I can find on their page to projects/etc.
2016-09-12T01:57:30 < BrokenCog> so, either I'm pulling the wrong crap (most likely) and/or doing something wrong (likely).
2016-09-12T01:57:39 < BrokenCog> but, from their docs, it's really not fucking clear.
2016-09-12T01:57:46 < BrokenCog> if I"m doing something wrong.
2016-09-12T01:58:17 < BrokenCog> lastly ... since I'm ranting why stop now???  ... I've cloned a git repo from a coworker who claims it works on their system ... but it doesn't on mine.
2016-09-12T01:58:25 < Thorn> well I guess if you insist on using 64-bit ubuntu you should first install 32-bit support there
2016-09-12T01:58:39 < Thorn> so that the official toolchain runs
2016-09-12T02:00:18 < BrokenCog> okay.
2016-09-12T02:19:53 < Thorn> ok so this *is* the same F7-discovery from ST. emcraft just sells linux BSP for it, for $49? wtf
2016-09-12T02:21:22 < upgrdman> bsp=?]
2016-09-12T02:21:47 < BrokenCog> upgrdman: Board Support Package.  sources/tools.
2016-09-12T02:21:55 < BrokenCog> Thorn: yes, that seems to be the case.
2016-09-12T02:21:57 < upgrdman> k
2016-09-12T02:35:47 < sync> pls Laurenceb__ stop spreading misinformation
2016-09-12T02:36:09 < Laurenceb__> the earth is hollow
2016-09-12T02:36:13 < Laurenceb__> there is an ocean inside
2016-09-12T02:37:04 < Laurenceb__> this is how a well works
2016-09-12T02:37:15 < sync> yes
2016-09-12T02:37:22 < sync> but there is no algae on the iss
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2016-09-12T02:41:28 < aandrew> listening to you guys talk science makes me think this is what it feels like to learn in the deep southern US
2016-09-12T02:41:42 < sync> lel
2016-09-12T02:41:47 < Thorn> I wonder if there is someone from here in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfCYZ3pks48
2016-09-12T02:42:33 < sync> oh god
2016-09-12T02:42:44 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lsaAI_L8A1g#t=4210
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2016-09-12T02:43:56 < Laurenceb__> not at this event
2016-09-12T02:44:07 < Laurenceb__> I can be heard asking questions at some points :P
2016-09-12T02:44:36 < Laurenceb__> crackpot alert at time I linked
2016-09-12T02:44:39 < Laurenceb__>  "trust me"
2016-09-12T02:46:20 < sync> wat Laurenceb__
2016-09-12T02:48:16 < Laurenceb__> 1:24:30 is me
2016-09-12T02:48:19 < Laurenceb__> mumbling lol
2016-09-12T02:50:15 < sync> idk wtf are they doing
2016-09-12T02:52:01 < sync> yeah but him saying that contamination checks on itself is just bullshit
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2016-09-12T02:56:09 < Laurenceb__> well it was all rather bullshit
2016-09-12T02:56:24 < Laurenceb__> but the ideas are kind of interesting
2016-09-12T02:57:03 < Laurenceb__> theoretically it looks like a dust particle could re-enter without heating beyond about 100C
2016-09-12T02:57:43 < Laurenceb__> and dust impinging on ISS / the moon / whatever would pretty much melt completely
2016-09-12T03:00:06 < aandrew> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-dragonfly-futurefon--3#/ attn dongs
2016-09-12T03:00:49 < Laurenceb__> looking on mars would be a simple way to test his ideas
2016-09-12T03:09:09 < Laurenceb__> I wonder what a ##stm32 irl chat event would be like
2016-09-12T03:09:21 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-09-12T03:09:52 < Laurenceb__> prob not <90% guys
2016-09-12T03:10:01 < LeelooMinai> Could be a bit... akward?
2016-09-12T03:20:27 < BrokenCog> okay ... hopefully this isn't too obscure:  http://pastebin.com/HeyjhLEU
2016-09-12T03:22:25 < BrokenCog> this is trying to compile the kernel for the STM32F7.
2016-09-12T03:22:30 < Thorn> some utility in your BSP crashed
2016-09-12T03:22:53 < aandrew> BrokenCog: what is actually segfaulting?
2016-09-12T03:23:22 < aandrew> usr/gen_init_cpio  is failing? I'm willing ot bet a donut that you've got bad RAM
2016-09-12T03:23:45 < BrokenCog> it's a VM, I could try allocating more RAM ... let me try that.
2016-09-12T03:24:14 < BrokenCog> it already has 4G .. that should be sufficient?
2016-09-12T03:28:02 < aandrew> hm
2016-09-12T03:28:08 < aandrew> that shouldn't be crashing then
2016-09-12T03:28:34 < aandrew> the only time I've seen core utils like that (cc, cpio, etc.) is when RAM's been bad
2016-09-12T03:28:35  * LeelooMinai non noms the donut
2016-09-12T03:28:50 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: lol
2016-09-12T03:34:00 < BrokenCog> heh.  and now the VM kernel panis on boot.
2016-09-12T03:57:34 < upgrdman> dongs, you around?
2016-09-12T04:02:23 < upgrdman> Thorn, re that yt video. reminds me of my old work. one of the employees was a reg'd sex offender, and we didnt find out until he was laid off (unrelated)
2016-09-12T04:02:49 < upgrdman> the guy was caught on that To Catch a Predate tv show
2016-09-12T04:02:55 < upgrdman> Predator*
2016-09-12T04:04:57  * stvn coughs
2016-09-12T04:05:13 < stvn> fucking zika got me
2016-09-12T04:05:23 < upgrdman> your fetus is fuckup up?
2016-09-12T04:05:35 < stvn> idk
2016-09-12T04:05:48 < stvn> just feel like crap today must be zika
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2016-09-12T04:19:57 < BrokenCog> aandrew:  well, it's not a memory issue.  it's something in the intermediate binary file being created which gen_init_cpio doesn't like
2016-09-12T04:21:30 < aandrew> hm, odd
2016-09-12T04:21:41  * aandrew looks up how to DCC a donut
2016-09-12T04:21:55 < aandrew> actually I have to DCC it out of LeelooMinai's stomach
2016-09-12T04:22:57 < LeelooMinai> I would not eat it anyway - it would sugar-bomb me, I would multitask like a mad person for an hour, then fall asleep:)
2016-09-12T04:23:57 < LeelooMinai> But you can donate it to the local police station
2016-09-12T04:25:21 < aandrew> heh WRPS over on cherry blossom
2016-09-12T04:27:38 < BrokenCog> "Hello, Police? I have a sugar bomb to donate."
2016-09-12T04:28:11 < LeelooMinai> "Please, donut, sir, errr... do not sir.
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2016-09-12T08:05:48 < stvn> sup diggers
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2016-09-12T08:16:33 < stvn> comes with 1TB of DDR72
2016-09-12T08:17:17 < stvn> wrong window, was talking about the new mac coming out in 2017
2016-09-12T08:18:06 < LeelooMinai> That's a Big Mac
2016-09-12T08:18:38 < stvn> tis, it uses hyperloop infused photon circuits
2016-09-12T08:19:09 < LeelooMinai> But I don't really think Pcs with 1TB are coming next year:p
2016-09-12T08:19:38 < LeelooMinai> TB of RAM*
2016-09-12T08:20:16 < stvn> :D
2016-09-12T08:20:24 < stvn> one can dream
2016-09-12T08:21:14 < LeelooMinai> But on the other hand, I do EDA, CAD, have 16GB, and never really felt a need for more RAM.
2016-09-12T08:22:10 < upgrdman> did fapple announce a new mac?
2016-09-12T08:22:54 < LeelooMinai> Does anyone even buy non-portable Macs?
2016-09-12T08:24:25 < jpa-> probably same percentage that buy non-portable computers anyway
2016-09-12T08:27:56 < LeelooMinai> True Basement-dwelling Nerd like me does not need portability:p
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2016-09-12T08:30:32 < jpa-> what if you have large basement?
2016-09-12T08:31:22 < LeelooMinai> Then you jsut need a good chair with nice and robust wheels - preferably with japanese ball bearings
2016-09-12T08:32:17 < stvn> 16gb is enough for anything
2016-09-12T08:32:27 < stvn> unless you're trying to take over the government
2016-09-12T08:33:00 < LeelooMinai> Well, I only can imagine one may need more for some hardcore professional video/graphics editing or something like that.
2016-09-12T08:33:14 < stvn> yeah something stupid like that
2016-09-12T08:34:55 < jpa-> Tectu has 64GB on his PC so that he can run 32GB VM's :D
2016-09-12T08:35:31 < LeelooMinai> One per Minecraft
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2016-09-12T08:39:24 < stvn> nice
2016-09-12T08:39:48 < upgrdman> ya i never quite ran out of ram on my 16GB surface bro 4. built a pc recently with 32gb just so i wont have to fuck with it in a few years
2016-09-12T08:40:22 < upgrdman> i'd say a nice m.2 or sata6gbps ssd is more important for most people
2016-09-12T08:40:43 < jpa-> the most ram i've ever had on one pc is 10GB :P
2016-09-12T08:41:04 < upgrdman> heh, my video card has 8GB
2016-09-12T08:42:07 < LeelooMinai> I must say that going from 80s to this day, I change my PC less and less often. Not much is worth changing nowadays - CPUs don't really improve3 drastically, there's no real need for more RAM every year like in the past, same with SDD/HDs... A bit depressing:)
2016-09-12T08:42:45 < LeelooMinai> I bought the CPU like 4 years ago and it still rocks pretty much.
2016-09-12T08:42:49 < LeelooMinai> 5 years even
2016-09-12T08:43:39 < stvn> i did the upgrade i5-750 to i7-6700
2016-09-12T08:43:41 < jpa-> i think my pc switch cycle has always been about 5-10 years
2016-09-12T08:43:56 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, do you do anything processing intensive?
2016-09-12T08:44:00 < LeelooMinai> In 90s I would change PC almost every year:)
2016-09-12T08:44:27 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: I guess maybe EDA, CAD, compiling maybe etc.
2016-09-12T08:44:38 < upgrdman> ya, most people dont.
2016-09-12T08:44:50 < stvn> i went from 12gb wam to 8gb tho
2016-09-12T08:44:52 < LeelooMinai> Not super hard-core stuff, but not normal "google and mail" either
2016-09-12T08:44:58 < upgrdman> the only time i want more power is: compiling fpga shits, rendering videos, and 3d graphics design
2016-09-12T08:45:21 < stvn> synplify
2016-09-12T08:45:39 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, as you know with FPGA synthesis not much helps. You would need a 10GHz CPU or something:)\
2016-09-12T08:45:45 < upgrdman> i use synplify, its nice, but still
2016-09-12T08:46:00 < stvn> i wonder how many more 3d marks i'll get lol
2016-09-12T08:46:02 < stvn> using the i7
2016-09-12T08:46:07 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, well my 4GHz is a fuckton better than some 2.2GHz cpu
2016-09-12T08:46:09 < LeelooMinai> They cannot take advantage of multiple cores properly, so fail.
2016-09-12T08:46:21 < stvn> yeh
2016-09-12T08:46:30 < stvn> my i5-750 didn't complain at 4.1ghz
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2016-09-12T08:47:10 < stvn> i must decommission the reactor
2016-09-12T08:47:11 < LeelooMinai> Too bad days where they would double CPU speed like every 1-2 years are gone.
2016-09-12T08:47:20 < stvn> it was pretty neat
2016-09-12T08:47:37 < stvn> 100 266 500 1000 1666 etc
2016-09-12T08:47:47 < stvn> back in those days it was some good pumpin
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2016-09-12T08:55:05 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, "double cpu speed" whats that? 2x IPC? 2x cores? 2x clock speed? what?
2016-09-12T08:55:26 < LeelooMinai> I mean raw clock speed.
2016-09-12T08:55:37 < LeelooMinai> It was like that in the past.
2016-09-12T08:56:07 < stvn> :3
2016-09-12T08:56:24 < jpa-> or double the per-core performance
2016-09-12T08:56:44 < jpa-> but maybe eventually they'll make the fpga synthesis multicore support free also
2016-09-12T08:59:22 < stvn> cyberdyne systems
2016-09-12T08:59:53 < stvn> later
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2016-09-12T11:45:07 < Steffanx> Hah englishman. At least you did the training mission
2016-09-12T11:45:49 < Steffanx> So many that dont do it and then dont know how to use night vision.
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2016-09-12T11:46:13 < stvn> throw the grenade
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2016-09-12T11:48:38 < Steffanx> Best moments: pick up a smoke nade, throw it near your team mates. While you throw you hear "Throwing a flash bang". The rage of your team mates over voice chat :D
2016-09-12T11:49:04 < stvn> :3
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2016-09-12T12:05:40 < stvn> m
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2016-09-12T12:26:12 < Tectu> He has returned.
2016-09-12T12:29:34 < stvn> wb
2016-09-12T12:32:03 < karlp> LeelooMinai: video nerds I know say that ram is virtually never the bottleneck, because you're never fitting allyour content in ram anyway, so it's alllll about the disk io (or for more of them, actually network io)
2016-09-12T12:42:10 < Steffanx> Better buy a pci-e ssd then.
2016-09-12T12:47:00 < Steffanx> Tectu knows.
2016-09-12T12:48:26 < Tectu> Intel 750 ftw
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2016-09-12T12:50:15 < karlp> Steffanx: what game are you and englishman playing?
2016-09-12T12:54:23 < Steffanx> Insurgence.
2016-09-12T12:54:29 < Steffanx> Stm32 game.
2016-09-12T12:54:35 < Steffanx> Insurgency*
2016-09-12T12:57:59 < c4017> stvn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuc9frxacfE
2016-09-12T12:59:02 < PeterM> Steffannx, what, no arma?
2016-09-12T13:01:17 < Steffanx> Noo.
2016-09-12T13:01:28 < Tectu> fuck arma
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2016-09-12T13:39:16 < stvn> mmm
2016-09-12T13:47:51 < Steffanx> .
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2016-09-12T14:17:44 < stvn> meow
2016-09-12T14:18:09 < stvn> which one do you play?
2016-09-12T14:20:48  * stvn throws a rusty revolver at englishman 
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2016-09-12T14:31:07 < anton02> he meant arm
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2016-09-12T15:01:03 < Tectu> >
2016-09-12T15:01:03 < Tectu> hi, ich added #define GFX_USE_OS_CHIBIOS TRUE and #define GFILE_MAX_GFILES 30
2016-09-12T15:01:10 < Tectu> spotted a german
2016-09-12T15:01:33 < stvn> guten tag
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2016-09-12T15:37:37 < stvn> hi
2016-09-12T15:41:25 < Tectu> oh boy
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2016-09-12T16:16:36 < Laurenceb__> http://hackaday.com/2016/09/12/sewbo-robot-sews-up-automated-garment-manufacturing/#comment-3194414
2016-09-12T16:22:46 < PeterM> that looks like one of those  shirts they wear in the "real world" in the matrix
2016-09-12T16:23:42 < Laurenceb__> haha
2016-09-12T16:24:19 < Laurenceb__> needs camera guidance attached to the sewing machine
2016-09-12T16:24:42 < Laurenceb__> a pro robotics company could probably replicate that and do better in about a day
2016-09-12T16:24:56 < PeterM> also i was going to say osmething like "how does this differ from little chinese ladies?"
2016-09-12T16:25:31 < Laurenceb__> also no complex hems at the corners
2016-09-12T16:25:42 < Laurenceb__> aiui thats still done manually
2016-09-12T16:25:59 < Laurenceb__> so no arm + sewing machine is going to manage it
2016-09-12T16:26:41 < Laurenceb__> that + horrible inaccuracy due to open loop control gives the "matrix" look
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2016-09-12T16:31:52 < PeterM> i meant blob:http://imgur.com/beef83f8-96b2-4a05-97f9-2ed4e330748c
2016-09-12T16:32:05 < PeterM> oh nice "copy image address"
2016-09-12T16:32:20 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/JLh69GN.png
2016-09-12T16:32:23 < PeterM> thats better
2016-09-12T16:33:51 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/PNUrSom.jpg
2016-09-12T16:33:58 < Steffanx> Rob235: when will you do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuRf6r0LuL8 ?
2016-09-12T16:49:35 < stvn> [;
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2016-09-12T17:01:17 < Emil> http://www.mouser.fi/search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=0virtualkey0virtualkeyNUCLEO-L432KC
2016-09-12T17:01:21 < Emil> Is this a good pick?
2016-09-12T17:02:06 < stvn> sure if you like stm32l4 shits
2016-09-12T17:06:13 < Emil> stvn: explain? :D
2016-09-12T17:06:23 < Rob235> Steffanx: I did that yesterday, old news
2016-09-12T17:06:51 < stvn> stm32l4 series has an arm cortex m4 cpu
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2016-09-12T17:06:57 < stvn> its a low power variant
2016-09-12T17:07:05 < Rob235> omg my stomach!
2016-09-12T17:07:19 < Emil> stvn: and?
2016-09-12T17:07:43 < stvn> well you're aware of the stm32 family no?
2016-09-12T17:08:01 < Emil> I am, I'm just curious why you find them shit
2016-09-12T17:08:02 < Emil> :D
2016-09-12T17:08:19 < stvn> nah they're great
2016-09-12T17:08:48 < Emil> Hmhmmhm, okay :D
2016-09-12T17:09:44 < stvn> are you starting out with stm32?
2016-09-12T17:09:51 < Rob235> Emil: you have to put a negativity filter on when you come on IRC.  if something is a little shit then its great, its gotta sound really bad to be bad
2016-09-12T17:10:13 < Emil> stvn: yes
2016-09-12T17:10:20 < stvn> stm32 is good fun
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2016-09-12T17:10:51 < Emil> Trying to move from avr to arm
2016-09-12T17:11:24 < Emil> Rob235: haha, should have seen it
2016-09-12T17:12:21 < stvn> if you need any assistance Laurenceb__ will be able to help you
2016-09-12T17:13:05 < stvn> he has really good memes too
2016-09-12T17:13:27 < Rob235> I switched from arduino to arm about a year ago, I really like working with arm stuff
2016-09-12T17:14:18 < PeterM> curt, that was the shittest troll ever, jsut like Laurenceb__'s jokes
2016-09-12T17:14:57 < Emil> stvn: Do you or does he know of a good linux command line tutorial in getting started ":D"
2016-09-12T17:15:43 < Emil> I'm especially interested in doing register level coding and would like to avoid hal
2016-09-12T17:16:08 < stvn> Emil, he does use linux for stm32 dev
2016-09-12T17:16:21 < Rob235> why no HAL Emil? (just curious)
2016-09-12T17:16:30 < stvn> i'm getting deja vu
2016-09-12T17:16:37 < stvn> wasn't this discussed the other day?
2016-09-12T17:16:42 < Emil> stvn: it was :D
2016-09-12T17:17:45 < stvn> i haven't even migrated from stdperipheral lib
2016-09-12T17:17:50 < Emil> Rob235: I'm intrested in learning how to actuall control the device
2016-09-12T17:18:23 < Emil> I also study Electronics and electrical engineering so it is valuable
2016-09-12T17:18:24 < Rob235> Emil: ah ok.. yea I'm with stvn, haven't touched anything but stdPeriph yet.  only been working on one project this whole time
2016-09-12T17:18:55 < Emil> It is fine to use standard libs
2016-09-12T17:19:09 < Rob235> I mean I've done some stuff by register but mostly not
2016-09-12T17:19:14 < stvn> neither of the libraries are what i'd consider a considerable 'abstraction'
2016-09-12T17:19:45 < Rob235> definitely makes things easier to read though
2016-09-12T17:19:52 < Emil> I can live with that
2016-09-12T17:20:53 < Steffanx> ok, that video is yours Rob235?
2016-09-12T17:20:53 < Rob235> I hate comments, I have to start adding them to my code :P
2016-09-12T17:21:02 < Rob235> what video?
2016-09-12T17:21:09 < Rob235> oh the drone surfing?
2016-09-12T17:21:21 < Steffanx> No the drone surfing.
2016-09-12T17:21:27 < stvn> i wonder how much of the linux kernel is comments
2016-09-12T17:21:54 < Rob235> sure why not
2016-09-12T17:21:56 < Rob235> :)
2016-09-12T17:23:29 < Rob235> alright maybe I should get to work, this autotune isn't gonna write itself
2016-09-12T17:23:50 < Rob235> although if I write it, it probably won't work either :P
2016-09-12T17:24:21 < Steffanx> Your negativity filter fails sometimes Rob235. need a fix?
2016-09-12T17:24:34 < Rob235> yessir
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2016-09-12T17:34:53 < Rob235> ::cough:: ::cough::
2016-09-12T17:35:03 < stvn> harsh bong hit?
2016-09-12T17:35:09 < Rob235> no comment
2016-09-12T17:36:26 < PeterM> Rob235, only got into his multicopter because he wanted to try RC lipos for vapin'
2016-09-12T17:37:19 < Rob235> nothing like a 150 amp rip
2016-09-12T17:39:10 < Rob235> I only have 1 lipo vape battery, for the vape I'm going to build :)
2016-09-12T17:39:25 < stvn> mmm
2016-09-12T17:42:42 < stvn> vaping with stm32
2016-09-12T17:43:27 < Rob235> id use an stm32 to interface with the DNA200 board I have
2016-09-12T17:44:42 < Rob235> it's so easy to add projects to your project list, its so hard to complete them though...
2016-09-12T17:46:45 < stvn> integrate them all into your hexacopter
2016-09-12T17:47:08 < stvn> the flying vapemaster
2016-09-12T17:59:46 < Rob235> leaves a trail of vape
2016-09-12T18:00:00 < Rob235> while pulling me on a surfboard
2016-09-12T18:01:45 < Rob235> is there a better way of figuring out max thrust of a copter accurately aside from adding weight until it can't take off anymore?
2016-09-12T18:03:21 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2016-09-12T18:03:33 < Laurenceb__> sorted stm32 vaporizer
2016-09-12T18:04:01 < Laurenceb__> I could use my usb dongle with reversed plug but it tends to blow the F4 in half without smoking
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2016-09-12T18:11:22 < Rob235> alright, "coughing" made my stomach feel better, time to work on autotune (or autocrash)
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2016-09-12T18:12:54 < Steffanx> lolwut Rob235?
2016-09-12T18:13:18 < Rob235> the thing that made me cough made my stomach feel better
2016-09-12T18:13:45 < Rob235> that wasn't supposed to require an explanation, that defeats the purpose of using "code"
2016-09-12T18:13:46 < Rob235> :)
2016-09-12T18:14:15 < Steffanx> i wasn't going for that explanation, more like: WTF Rob235
2016-09-12T18:14:31 < Rob235> haha oh, why?
2016-09-12T18:14:53 < Laurenceb__> Rob is from New Jersey
2016-09-12T18:15:01 < Laurenceb__> thats like the Brentwood of Murica
2016-09-12T18:15:10 < Rob235> what is brentwood
2016-09-12T18:15:29 < Rob235> and NJ has a million different types of areas, you cant generalize new jersey
2016-09-12T18:15:46 < Laurenceb__> http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/0255ff3fad60496ebf9cbedb67aa10d5/revelers-waiting-to-enter-the-new-years-eve-party-at-the-sugar-hut-fakj8y.jpg
2016-09-12T18:16:09 < Rob235> thats because you watch jersey shore
2016-09-12T18:16:09 < Laurenceb__> http://i4.cdnds.net/12/38/618x464/sugarhut1.jpg
2016-09-12T18:16:21 < Laurenceb__> lulyes
2016-09-12T18:16:23 < Rob235> those are new yorkers that invade the jersey shore in the summer
2016-09-12T18:16:37 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__:  only knows because his dad is there now.
2016-09-12T18:16:39 < Rob235> we call them bennys
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2016-09-12T18:17:13 < Rob235> Benny is a pejorative term used by year-round residents of the Jersey Shore to describe stereotypically rude, flashy, loud tourists from North Jersey and New York.
2016-09-12T18:17:25 < Laurenceb__> heh ok
2016-09-12T18:18:44 < Laurenceb__> Steffanx: actually my dad is working in Mexico
2016-09-12T18:18:56 < Laurenceb__> inb4 "Mexico will pay for his wages"
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2016-09-12T18:19:39 < Laurenceb__> token Gringo guy
2016-09-12T18:19:46 < Rob235> you guys close to water where you live? I can see the ocean from my apt, its a few blocks away.  It's a shitty apartment though
2016-09-12T18:20:21 < karlp> I can't see it, but yeah.
2016-09-12T18:22:45 < Laurenceb__> sounds nice, 75miles from coast here
2016-09-12T18:23:01 < Rob235> long drive, what about lakes or anything?
2016-09-12T18:23:28 < Laurenceb__> yeah there a few lakes
2016-09-12T18:23:44 < Laurenceb__> but I suck a swimming lol
2016-09-12T18:23:53 < Rob235> I've never really been to lakes because Ive always been around this part of NJ with the ocean but I think lakes could be more fun
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2016-09-12T18:25:54 < Rob235> my next door neighbors had a pool when I was growing up so I took lessons with their kids. I've always been skinny though and water has to be really warm for me to get in :P
2016-09-12T18:27:30 < sync> pfft
2016-09-12T18:28:20 < karlp> map says ~300m to teh sea, ~250 into the harbour
2016-09-12T18:30:38 < Rob235> about the same for me
2016-09-12T18:30:40 < Rob235> .2 miles
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2016-09-12T18:48:13 < Steffanx> I waved. Did you see it rob235?
2016-09-12T18:48:48 < Rob235> Oh, I thought you were giving me the finger so I mooned you
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2016-09-12T18:51:02 < Steffanx> How close to the blue water you live wanderman?
2016-09-12T18:51:22 < jpa-> brown water doesn't count?
2016-09-12T18:51:51 < karlp> Steffanx: I think the UK was in the way of your wave
2016-09-12T18:52:26 < Steffanx> Sure. But wanderman does blue.
2016-09-12T18:55:46 < wanderman> Steffanx,  i find you have so gentle soul
2016-09-12T18:55:48 < wanderman> :D
2016-09-12T18:56:20 < wanderman> to be honest,i'm 20m away from sea
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2016-09-12T18:58:13 < Steffanx> Which island/city wanderman?
2016-09-12T18:58:40 < wanderman> maldives, have around 1800 small scale islands
2016-09-12T18:58:46 < wanderman> i'm in one  of them
2016-09-12T18:59:36 < Steffanx> I know that's why i asked which one :D
2016-09-12T19:00:16 < wanderman> hunumale
2016-09-12T19:01:47 < Steffanx> even a private airport?
2016-09-12T19:02:39 < wanderman> very near to city airport
2016-09-12T19:03:19 < wanderman> Steffanx, how old you ?
2016-09-12T19:03:45 < Steffanx> Twice the age of a 13 year old.
2016-09-12T19:04:19 < wanderman> i'm 6 years older to that boy'sx2
2016-09-12T19:06:56 < wanderman> i used to wander since age 16, so i'm still alone at age 32
2016-09-12T19:07:19 < wanderman> my gf, left me as i was poor man.
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2016-09-12T19:09:01 < Steffanx> Now you have irc, what else you need
2016-09-12T19:09:55 < wanderman> i met her on irc too
2016-09-12T19:10:04 < Steffanx> lo
2016-09-12T19:10:05 < Steffanx> l
2016-09-12T19:10:16 < Steffanx> maldives irc?
2016-09-12T19:10:28 < wanderman> no icq.irc
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2016-09-12T19:11:39 < wanderman> it is ok, i'm getting stronger, she helped me when i was weak.
2016-09-12T19:18:07  * wanderman repeatly listen to " i will find someone like you"
2016-09-12T19:25:03 < wanderman> http://imgur.com/8edfNnH
2016-09-12T19:25:08 < wanderman> how this guy got dirty ?
2016-09-12T19:25:22 < wanderman> answer: high gravity of that planet, he had to crawl on surface
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2016-09-12T19:36:05 < Steffanx> lolyou
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2016-09-12T19:39:40 < wanderman> http://i.imgur.com/Qia1Wz9.gifv
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2016-09-12T19:52:14 < Thorn> how to test your iot project with $750k(?) worth of equipment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbLhT2Ua8Hc
2016-09-12T19:52:50 < wanderman> Thorn,  hello
2016-09-12T19:53:28 < Thorn> Good evening Mr. wanderman Sir
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2016-09-12T20:01:30 < wanderman> impressively advanced so much i can't grasp RF
2016-09-12T20:01:48  * wanderman remind he did some cal with smith chart anyway
2016-09-12T20:04:23 < wanderman> RF amplifiers, intesting they use S parameters to get gain.
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2016-09-12T20:10:44 < Steffanx> Who's alterego is he?
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2016-09-12T20:36:51 < gxti> i don't know but my head hurts already
2016-09-12T20:42:29 < Rob235> ugh, its already 2pm?
2016-09-12T20:42:49 < Rob235> I was hoping to be a lot further a long by now
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2016-09-12T21:05:26 < Rob235> anyone ever do a quick search for curse words before submitting something? I sometimes use fowl language when testing things...
2016-09-12T21:06:46 < aandrew> I usually do that to insert them before submission
2016-09-12T21:17:28 < Steffanx> i never use curse words. :P
2016-09-12T21:28:03 < kakimir> my pumppers
2016-09-12T21:28:05 < kakimir> hello
2016-09-12T21:29:32 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-09-12T21:29:43 < aandrew> oh yeah buddy, well QUACK!
2016-09-12T21:30:13 < aandrew> is waterfowl language considered more profane than fowl language?
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2016-09-12T22:18:30 < kakimir> have you guise measured stm32 internal oscillator drift?
2016-09-12T22:18:48 < kakimir> over time and temperature coefficient?
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2016-09-12T22:22:59 < Rob235> I'm writing a lot of new code without testing any of it yet.  I hope I haven't broken anything
2016-09-12T22:23:29 < kakimir> if your practises are good and you know the platform inside out
2016-09-12T22:23:49 < kakimir> you can write whole program and then just fix them typos
2016-09-12T22:23:52 < Steffanx> Robby X has a built-in simulator.
2016-09-12T22:33:10 < Rob235> mmm food
2016-09-12T22:34:47 < Rob235> yuck autotune
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2016-09-12T22:43:36 < Rob235> hmm....My mind must have jumbled things together, my idea is basically cleanflights method which is supposedly pretty bad :)
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2016-09-12T22:47:37 < Rob235> I'm tryin it anyway
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2016-09-12T22:52:38 < Steffanx> When you say auto-tune i have to think of this all the time for some reason Rob235: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY
2016-09-12T22:53:00 < jadew> that video does not exist
2016-09-12T22:53:01 < Rob235> this video does not exist
2016-09-12T22:53:09 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
2016-09-12T22:53:11 < Rob235> but im asuming its the audio autotune
2016-09-12T22:53:15 < Rob235> and my gf said the same thing
2016-09-12T22:53:25 < jadew> friday! friday!
2016-09-12T22:53:41 < jadew> when I hear auto-tune I think cher
2016-09-12T22:54:55 < jadew> if I was teenage girl, I would have killed myself after 2 million dislikes
2016-09-12T22:57:02 < Steffanx> wut do i really see she still makes new songs/videos ?!
2016-09-12T22:57:10 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-12T22:57:23 < jadew> thick skin on that one
2016-09-12T22:57:43 < jadew> she just launched one a couple of weeks ago
2016-09-12T22:58:06 < jadew> the usual garbage, but they handled the autotune a lot better this time
2016-09-12T22:58:36 < kakimir> it's monday
2016-09-12T22:59:09 < jadew> for a second there, it felt like Friday, in highschool
2016-09-12T23:04:01 < kakimir> after college time when I still used to go out
2016-09-12T23:04:15 < kakimir> such a waste of time
2016-09-12T23:04:41 < kakimir> for me
2016-09-12T23:04:42 < jadew> going out?
2016-09-12T23:05:02 < jadew> best way to spend your time
2016-09-12T23:06:27 < kakimir> It is
2016-09-12T23:06:30 < kakimir> I know
2016-09-12T23:06:39 < kakimir> When it's good
2016-09-12T23:07:19 < jadew> it's all about who you're going out with
2016-09-12T23:08:01 < kakimir> but when you don't quite have the money or time or them friends that.. yes
2016-09-12T23:08:54 < jadew> I had lots of fun with 0 money
2016-09-12T23:09:45 < kakimir> I had the worst drunk I ever had with 0 money
2016-09-12T23:13:59 < jadew> if I owned something like a gym, I'd put that friday song in a loop just to mess with the customers :D
2016-09-12T23:14:44 < kakimir> that would be stupid
2016-09-12T23:15:57 < jadew> that would be brilliant, an hour of that and it would get stuck in their head for a week
2016-09-12T23:16:00 < jadew> friday to friday
2016-09-12T23:16:18 < jadew> oh right, and you could play it on Friday
2016-09-12T23:18:09 < Steffanx> i would ony play 90ties music.
2016-09-12T23:18:34 < jadew> I have all kinds of good ideas on how to mess with customers, for example, I was thinking of those in-website presentations/intial guides, where some voice walks you through the features of the service you just purchased and has you clicking on things.
2016-09-12T23:19:11 < jadew> I thought it would be cool that half-way through the presentation when you click a button it asks you to click, you get one of those scary faces and a loud scream: "BAM!!! OWJHOWI JIEW"
2016-09-12T23:19:43 < jadew> that would be hilareous
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2016-09-12T23:20:22 < Steffanx> lol
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2016-09-12T23:29:48  * LeelooMinai ponders why in movies people can hold a gold bar in one hand like it was made of wood...
2016-09-12T23:30:05 < jadew> cuz it probably is
2016-09-12T23:30:18 < jadew> which movie is that?
2016-09-12T23:30:19 < LeelooMinai> lol, good point:p
2016-09-12T23:30:52 < LeelooMinai> Spe old tv series
2016-09-12T23:30:56 < LeelooMinai> Some*
2016-09-12T23:31:31 < jadew> I'm watching seinfeld these days
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2016-09-12T23:32:30 < LeelooMinai> Just checked online - gold is 50% heavier then lead.
2016-09-12T23:33:08 < Tectu> Hello LeelooMinai and welcome to ##stm32
2016-09-12T23:33:11 < jadew> that's heavy
2016-09-12T23:33:20 < Tectu> yo jadew o/
2016-09-12T23:33:25 < LeelooMinai> Tectu: Hey, I sit here for ages:)
2016-09-12T23:33:27 < jadew> hey
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2016-09-12T23:34:17 < Tectu> LeelooMinai, I'm here for about 7 years and I never noticed you :p
2016-09-12T23:34:29 < Tectu> jadew, how's the kid thing going?
2016-09-12T23:34:57 < jadew> Tectu, which thing? cuz we have interesting episodes daily
2016-09-12T23:35:12 < Tectu> jadew, can you give me a "monthly digest"?
2016-09-12T23:35:16 < LeelooMinai> Well, sometimes it got weird here, in the past... Lots of racist comments, etc. - I was not sure if this is some White Power channel or what:)
2016-09-12T23:36:09 < jadew> Tectu, today I had to go pick him up from kindergarten early because he doesn't like it there anymore (he's about to get to the next level)
2016-09-12T23:36:12 < Tectu> Yeah, I guess one can't really argue with that, LeelooMinai
2016-09-12T23:36:29 < sync> it is the internet, what do you expect
2016-09-12T23:36:42 < Tectu> jadew, isn't this the point where you should just tell him to stfu and not bow down every time?
2016-09-12T23:36:48 < jadew> I hear a lot of people like white powder
2016-09-12T23:37:13 < jadew> Tectu, ah, he was upset
2016-09-12T23:37:25 < jadew> genuinely
2016-09-12T23:38:03 < jadew> and on top of that he had a fit and scared the other kids in his class (he's the oldest at this point)
2016-09-12T23:38:50 < Tectu> I see
2016-09-12T23:38:52 < Tectu> go on, Mr. jadew
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2016-09-12T23:39:59 < jadew> well, that's about it I think
2016-09-12T23:40:24 < jadew> he's getting good at mario
2016-09-12T23:40:53 < Tectu> jadew, you mentioned you are having episodes on a daily basis?
2016-09-12T23:41:09 < jadew> yeah, but it's all a blur
2016-09-12T23:42:02 < Tectu> better go CSI Miami and sharpen it up
2016-09-12T23:42:09 < Tectu> "Enhance!"
2016-09-12T23:43:24 < LeelooMinai> They can sharpen a perfect circle into GW Bush face there
2016-09-12T23:43:52 < jadew> perhaps all circles sharpen into GW Bush's face
2016-09-12T23:43:56 < Steffanx> Lol LeelopMinai. Nowadays you seem to blend in pretty well.
2016-09-12T23:44:11 < Steffanx> (In ##stm32 that is)
2016-09-12T23:44:20 < LeelooMinai> I am like a chameleon from hell
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2016-09-12T23:46:38 < Tectu> show me your Laurenceb camouflage
2016-09-12T23:47:21 < LeelooMinai> Well, even chameleons have their limitations - cannot change them into an octopus
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2016-09-12T23:50:03 < Laurenceb__> holy shit this is some chan tier trolling
2016-09-12T23:50:05 < Laurenceb__> http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/10113/production/_91011856_c5d12c37-fed7-4640-a150-b74b98162a62.jpg
2016-09-12T23:50:13 < Steffanx> Speaking about the devil..
2016-09-12T23:51:49 < Tectu> I'm sorry
2016-09-12T23:51:49 < Laurenceb__> I need to get a job at Charlie Hebo
2016-09-12T23:51:57 < Laurenceb__> I hear they have vacancies to fill
2016-09-12T23:52:09 < Steffanx> Bye laurenceb__
2016-09-12T23:52:19 < sync> Laurenceb__: how do you feel about the uk getting rekt in their brexit neogations?
2016-09-12T23:52:21 < ds2> Laurenceb_: do you have a work permit? :D
2016-09-12T23:52:33 < Laurenceb__> sync: huh?
2016-09-12T23:53:06 < BrainDamage> so you're saying that unfunny shit that you post, it's actually sold?
2016-09-12T23:53:26 < Laurenceb__> apparently they have ok sales of their magazine
2016-09-12T23:53:50 < Steffanx> Sales went up after the last shooting.
2016-09-12T23:54:07 < Laurenceb__> inside job
2016-09-12T23:54:19 < Steffanx> Putin.
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2016-09-12T23:56:29 < kakimir> jadew: you must try these moves http://termite.apcdn.com/full/149965.webm
2016-09-12T23:57:03 < sync> Laurenceb__: well, apparently the uk expects to stay in the eu market
2016-09-12T23:57:04 < inca> hello!
2016-09-12T23:57:08 < sync> without having to do shits
2016-09-12T23:57:10 < inca> Tectu!
2016-09-12T23:57:12 < jadew> haha kakimir, nice moves
2016-09-12T23:57:19 < Tectu> inca!
2016-09-12T23:57:22 < Tectu> how is you?
2016-09-12T23:57:29 < Laurenceb__> sync: ah, I  havent been following
2016-09-12T23:57:41 < inca> pushing back the fronteirs of stm32 development!
2016-09-12T23:57:44 < inca> how are you?
2016-09-12T23:58:08 < Tectu> I'm fine, thanks!
2016-09-12T23:58:11 < jadew> Laurenceb__, is that image related to some recent events?
2016-09-12T23:58:11 < Steffanx> Wonderbar.
2016-09-12T23:58:18 < Steffanx> Wunder
2016-09-12T23:58:40 < Laurenceb__> jadew: Italian earthquake
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2016-09-12T23:59:29 < jadew> didn't know about it
2016-09-12T23:59:29 < Steffanx> Lol you laurenceb__ vote for brexit and then stop caring. Great job.
2016-09-12T23:59:50 < Laurenceb__> well I'm a troll, so what were you expecting
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2016-09-13T00:00:01 < inca> anyone played with the battery backup modes for stm32f427?
2016-09-13T00:00:26 < Steffanx> In real life you are a nice and friendly british boy.
2016-09-13T00:01:34 < Tectu> +educated
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2016-09-13T00:06:18 < kakimir> do not ruin it for him
2016-09-13T00:10:33 < Laurenceb__> inca: I've used them on F1, but not F4
2016-09-13T00:10:39 < Laurenceb__> it's very similar tho
2016-09-13T00:11:14 < inca> Laurenceb__: does it detect input power dropout/brownout?
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2016-09-13T00:11:42 < Laurenceb__> I don't think so, but I haven't tried that
2016-09-13T00:11:46 < Laurenceb__> useful idea..
2016-09-13T00:11:59 < Laurenceb__> I guess a comparator to the TAMPER pin could do it
2016-09-13T00:12:44 < inca> Laurenceb__: I want to detect loss to the power on the input side and time how long I have before the control board (and filesystem write operations) lose power
2016-09-13T00:13:19 < Laurenceb__> ok
2016-09-13T00:13:54 < inca> if it's enough of a warning to finish write ops, then all is good just add that input
2016-09-13T00:14:05 < inca> if not, then I'll need to add battery backup
2016-09-13T00:14:29 < Laurenceb__> why not just use a scope?
2016-09-13T00:14:38 < Laurenceb__> are you using FAT?
2016-09-13T00:15:00 < inca> though the docs on VBAT are rather unclear about whether that domain includes anything other than backup registers and RTC
2016-09-13T00:15:40 < inca> Laurenceb__: I would use a scope if I had a way to test it in front of me. currently in the mail.
2016-09-13T00:15:41 < Laurenceb__> aiui its just those
2016-09-13T00:15:48 < Laurenceb__> ah
2016-09-13T00:15:58 < Laurenceb__> I doubt your idea would work reliably
2016-09-13T00:16:07 < Laurenceb__> are you using µSD?
2016-09-13T00:16:17 < inca> full size
2016-09-13T00:16:26 < Laurenceb__> ok
2016-09-13T00:16:27 < inca> and yes, using FAT
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2016-09-13T00:16:39 < Laurenceb__> SD can delay, and FAT can do weird fragmentation stuff
2016-09-13T00:16:57 < inca> yep. that's what friends are seeing
2016-09-13T00:17:03 < Laurenceb__> end result of those two factors is that you can expect delays of up to a second
2016-09-13T00:17:08 < Laurenceb__> or maybe even more
2016-09-13T00:17:22 < inca> on an RTOS? wow
2016-09-13T00:17:28 < Laurenceb__> but thats unlikely and with a good card I'd say <100ms peak delay
2016-09-13T00:17:38 < Laurenceb__> but thats still a long time for the power to hold out
2016-09-13T00:17:52 < Laurenceb__> this is the knock on effect of card delays
2016-09-13T00:18:03 < Laurenceb__> the time taken for all write operations to complete
2016-09-13T00:18:19 < inca> these control boards will get integrated into a fairly serious system, power-wise... I've seen the fans stay on as long as 2 seconds after power switched off
2016-09-13T00:18:46 < Laurenceb__> ah
2016-09-13T00:18:51 < Laurenceb__> you may well be ok
2016-09-13T00:19:13 < Laurenceb__> theoretically there is probably no upper limit to the delay if you are very unlucky
2016-09-13T00:19:16 < inca> Laurenceb__: one way to knock that time down a bit is to flush() more often or otherwise reduce the pending write buffer for the filesystem
2016-09-13T00:19:23 < Laurenceb__> but I's hazard a guess of 100ms
2016-09-13T00:19:28 < inca> cool
2016-09-13T00:19:33 < Laurenceb__> yeah this is what I'm talking about
2016-09-13T00:19:55 < Laurenceb__> I have a datalogger system and use all the "tricks" to increase speed and reliability, and use a fast card
2016-09-13T00:20:07 < Laurenceb__> I see absolute max of about 100ms pending write time
2016-09-13T00:20:36 < inca> damn
2016-09-13T00:21:09 < inca> Laurenceb__: thanks for sharing your experience with it
2016-09-13T00:21:16 < Laurenceb__> and have a few thousand dataloggers in service, ~ ten thousand years of data
2016-09-13T00:21:49 < Laurenceb__> literally no long write delays apart from a few cases of failing hardware
2016-09-13T00:22:21 < Laurenceb__> iirc two card corrupted by windoze, one had some weird condensation induced corrosion, and one had coffee over it
2016-09-13T00:22:36 < Laurenceb__> those were the only issue seen in the past 2 years
2016-09-13T00:22:57 < inca> good deal =)
2016-09-13T00:23:16 < Laurenceb__> I use a mixture of Lexar and Sandisk 4GB cards
2016-09-13T00:23:53 < inca> we've got Sandisk
2016-09-13T00:24:11 < Laurenceb__> should be ok then
2016-09-13T00:24:33 < Laurenceb__> but you will need >100ms power down time
2016-09-13T00:24:53  * inca nods
2016-09-13T00:25:31 < inca> I am thinking there could even be a transactional system with the backup registers so that it checks/redoes the last operation at powerdown
2016-09-13T00:25:39 < inca> making it nearly atomic
2016-09-13T00:25:56 < inca> the last failures they were seeing was the rename operation
2016-09-13T00:26:17 < Laurenceb__> we are running vehicle "black boxes", so there is very high data rate as we have multiple accelerometers
2016-09-13T00:26:55 < Laurenceb__> other cases might be different, it's never worth us powering down the micro
2016-09-13T00:27:45 < inca> cool
2016-09-13T00:32:02 < upgrdman> damn, i troll myself so good sometimes. been trying to figure out why uart1 dma wont work... been probing the wrong pins for 20 minutes. fucking 4 uarts on this board
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2016-09-13T00:32:56 < inca> upgrdman: heh
2016-09-13T00:33:11 < inca> that falls under the "is it plugged in" class of failures =)
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2016-09-13T00:33:23 < upgrdman> indeed
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2016-09-13T00:33:53 < LeelooMinai> My best troll was where I was trying to figure out LA waveforms and did not notice it was in the demo mode, generating some example waveforms.
2016-09-13T00:36:04 < upgrdman> nice
2016-09-13T00:36:55 < kakimir> I once tried to read sensor data from 1wire
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2016-09-13T00:36:59 < kakimir> for like.. 2 days
2016-09-13T00:37:25 < kakimir> software was on demomode and gave out random shiet
2016-09-13T00:39:26 < kakimir> demomode had exact same sensor
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2016-09-13T01:39:41 < PeterM> Steffanx, LeelooMinai, Laurenceb__ Tectu, yall don't know how the fuck chameleons worl
2016-09-13T01:39:44 < PeterM> Myth: Chameleons change color to match their environment. Chameleons don't change color to match their environment. Rather, they change color as a response to mood, temperature, health, communication, and light.
2016-09-13T01:40:24 < Laurenceb__> fascinating
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2016-09-13T01:41:32 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: "Color change in chameleons has functions in camouflage, but most commonly in social signaling and in reactions to temperature and other conditions.", so fail:p
2016-09-13T01:43:29 < PeterM> LeelooMinai: " ESD Diodes in the STM32 allow you to use them as half a bridge rectifier, but they are most commonly used as a microcontroller in embedded environments.
2016-09-13T01:44:24 < Laurenceb__> erm wut
2016-09-13T01:44:54 < PeterM> Laurenceb__, you're telling me you havent tried it?!
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2016-09-13T01:54:12 < BrainDamage> now i'm tempted to use a stm32 parasitic diode as a fuse
2016-09-13T01:54:49 < BrainDamage> too bad i'll never see the reaction of worever will try to view the schematic
2016-09-13T02:03:54 < PeterM> if different io banks have different esd diodes you could use two different ios as a bridge rectifier
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2016-09-13T02:17:40 < stvn> good morning then
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2016-09-13T03:02:40 < stvn> Laurenceb__
2016-09-13T03:03:15 < Laurenceb__> <BrainDamage> the ESD diodes gave me major rage
2016-09-13T03:03:29 < stvn> whats wrong with that?
2016-09-13T03:03:33 < Laurenceb__> turns out I was slightly exceeding max injection current on my dataloggers
2016-09-13T03:03:40 < stvn> oh
2016-09-13T03:03:49 < Laurenceb__> worked fine for ages then got a reel from another fab
2016-09-13T03:03:54 < Laurenceb__> tons of failures in the field
2016-09-13T03:03:55 < stvn> bang
2016-09-13T03:04:01 < stvn> is that your board Laurenceb__ ?
2016-09-13T03:04:05 < Laurenceb__> yup
2016-09-13T03:04:12 < stvn> mom's spaghetti
2016-09-13T03:04:12 < LeelooMinai> Your own dataloggers or some commercial ones?
2016-09-13T03:04:32 < Laurenceb__> mine
2016-09-13T03:04:33 < Laurenceb__> http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/35137/
2016-09-13T03:04:37 < Laurenceb__> similar to that
2016-09-13T03:05:07 < stvn> Dr Blaxter
2016-09-13T03:05:13 < stvn> it's got a good ring to it
2016-09-13T03:05:15 < Laurenceb__> well same, no pneumatics and smaller box
2016-09-13T03:05:36 < LeelooMinai> E, what is this...
2016-09-13T03:06:06 < Laurenceb__> figure 3
2016-09-13T03:06:40 < Laurenceb__> stvn: doctorate in trollin
2016-09-13T03:07:02 < stvn> I would say so.
2016-09-13T03:07:14 < stvn> doctorate in rustling steffan
2016-09-13T03:10:29 < LeelooMinai> Ok, so this is basically looking at the skin color and doing some timing. I am not sure what "blanching" consists of though...
2016-09-13T03:11:00 < LeelooMinai> There's a pump there, so what, is this like a "hickey" thing? :p
2016-09-13T03:11:36 < Laurenceb__> I personally disown it
2016-09-13T03:11:46 < LeelooMinai> Or a reverse of a hickey.
2016-09-13T03:11:49 < Laurenceb__> its pure unmitigated bullshit, worse than emdrive
2016-09-13T03:12:13 < Laurenceb__> the pump inflated the sensor to push against the skin surface
2016-09-13T03:12:19 < Laurenceb__> simple as that
2016-09-13T03:12:26 < stvn> http://www.chappo1.com/images/PICT0003.JPG
2016-09-13T03:12:47 < LeelooMinai> So they displace the blood with positive pressure, then measure the time it takes for the capillaries to come back to normal by looking at the skin color - kind of crude.
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2016-09-13T03:13:06 < Laurenceb__> LeelooMinai: it measures the mobility of blood within the capillary bed
2016-09-13T03:13:14 < Laurenceb__> that does not tell you much useful
2016-09-13T03:13:22 < Laurenceb__> it correlates with temperature...
2016-09-13T03:14:43 < stvn> so a thermometer would tell you just as much
2016-09-13T03:14:46 < stvn> splendid
2016-09-13T03:14:51 < Laurenceb__> people think it tells you if the patient is ill, but thats cognitive bias as they are manually testing
2016-09-13T03:15:02 < Laurenceb__> kind of like how people think emdrive is moving
2016-09-13T03:15:12 < stvn> yeah emdrive.....
2016-09-13T03:15:35 < stvn> i wanna believe Laurenceb__
2016-09-13T03:15:39 < stvn> i just want to
2016-09-13T03:15:58 < LeelooMinai> Well, soon they will test it in practice apparently: http://www.sciencealert.com/the-impossible-em-drive-is-about-to-be-tested-in-space
2016-09-13T03:16:05 < Laurenceb__> capillary refill was rumoured to measure perfusion, or volumetric blood flow into tissue, that was the topic of my PhD - measurement of perfusion
2016-09-13T03:16:27 < Laurenceb__> and my supervisor was obsessed with my testing this capillary refill junk, hence the paper
2016-09-13T03:16:52 < stvn> sperging
2016-09-13T03:16:59 < stvn> shame though
2016-09-13T03:17:43 < stvn> is there a website for your horse thing
2016-09-13T03:18:19 < Laurenceb__> no cuz its secret
2016-09-13T03:18:24 < stvn> ah damn
2016-09-13T03:18:24 < Laurenceb__> oh apart from github lulz
2016-09-13T03:18:35 < Laurenceb__> lol
2016-09-13T03:18:46 < LeelooMinai> I probably do not want to know what "the horse thing" is, do I...
2016-09-13T03:19:12 < Laurenceb__> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Equine/commits/master
2016-09-13T03:19:16 < stvn> ^
2016-09-13T03:19:28 < Laurenceb__> Commits on May 6, 2016   @Laurenceb    Yup its a clusterfuck
2016-09-13T03:20:12 < stvn> hah
2016-09-13T03:20:50 < stvn> i'm stuck in this factory all day
2016-09-13T03:21:27 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, it could be worse, it could be mr hands
2016-09-13T03:21:35 < stvn> hi PeterM
2016-09-13T03:21:43 < PeterM> hi curt
2016-09-13T03:22:01 < stvn> sup in the peter world?
2016-09-13T03:22:18 < PeterM> i've got a bad case of the flu
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2016-09-13T03:22:26 < stvn> yeah i got something to
2016-09-13T03:22:28 < stvn> *too
2016-09-13T03:23:24 < upgrdman> anyone know if trying to switch relays by ZVS is reasonable, or is the coil time delay too slow compared to mains AC?
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2016-09-13T03:23:49 < upgrdman> e.g. i want to switch when near 0V to minimize arcing/emi
2016-09-13T03:23:51 < LeelooMinai> Cannot use a triac?
2016-09-13T03:24:03 < LeelooMinai> That's normally what is used.
2016-09-13T03:24:11 < upgrdman> do triacs offer isolation?
2016-09-13T03:24:21 < PeterM> upgrdman, opto triacs do
2016-09-13T03:24:36 < PeterM> also, usually to cut down emi/arcing oyu jsut pout a r-c snubebr accross it
2016-09-13T03:24:39 < LeelooMinai> Or you can use separate opto to control it, same thing.
2016-09-13T03:24:44 < stvn> on a similar topic i like LASCR cause it sounds cool
2016-09-13T03:25:14 < LeelooMinai> If you can pronounce it...
2016-09-13T03:25:35 < stvn> upgrdman: are you switching regular 50/60hz mains?
2016-09-13T03:25:48 < upgrdman> ya, 240Vrms60Hz
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2016-09-13T03:29:29 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-09-13T03:29:32 < upgrdman> phototriac == SSR ?
2016-09-13T03:29:50 < stvn> somewhat
2016-09-13T03:30:09 < stvn> iirc the SSR will usually have some protection bolted on, not sure though. varies
2016-09-13T03:30:28 < PeterM> opto tiac != ssr
2016-09-13T03:31:05 < stvn> i guess for you can't 'chop' the output
2016-09-13T03:32:27 < upgrdman> i just need a relay that can cross near 0V. dont need to switch it very often. having problems with emi, think it's the inrush going to the load when switching if switching when the voltage is near a peak. we have snubbers.
2016-09-13T03:32:54 < upgrdman> im not near the device so i cant check :( but i need to fix it, lol
2016-09-13T03:33:09 < stvn> have you taken this equipment to an EMC test lab?
2016-09-13T03:33:17 < upgrdman> chinamen will be probing shit to see if they can figure out the root cause
2016-09-13T03:33:20 < upgrdman> no
2016-09-13T03:33:29 < stvn> oh yeah chinaman don't know
2016-09-13T03:33:29 < PeterM> optotriac + triac + opto
2016-09-13T03:34:02 < stvn> chinaman offered me fake EMC report for $500 usd
2016-09-13T03:34:08 < upgrdman> the relays power some mains ac motors. when they switch the motors on or off, some of their shit electronics hang up. guessing emi
2016-09-13T03:34:20 < PeterM> that'd be it
2016-09-13T03:35:00 < upgrdman> PeterM, whats a good solution? ssr?
2016-09-13T03:35:13 < PeterM> yeah opto triac to drive the maiin switchign triac, + an opto to sense zero crossing, although yo ucould probably do that with long trace on a pin or something equally as dodgy, or jsut get an optotriac wiht built in zero cross circuit
2016-09-13T03:35:37 < stvn> a solid state solution
2016-09-13T03:36:04 < upgrdman> so opto-triac with internal zero crossing would be nearly drop in for relay?
2016-09-13T03:36:13 < LeelooMinai> You can get zero crossing optos pretty cheaply
2016-09-13T03:36:30 < aandrew> yep
2016-09-13T03:36:38 < upgrdman> trying to keep the circuit as simple as possible. it's gotta be build and tested in china...
2016-09-13T03:36:55 < LeelooMinai> I have those in my CNC control box too: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1pcs-solid-state-relay-SSR-25DA-25A-3-32V-DC-TO-24-380V-AC-SSR/32663806352.html
2016-09-13T03:37:01 < PeterM> yeah zero crossing optotriac + external triac
2016-09-13T03:37:11 < stvn> simple enough to build, test it in house
2016-09-13T03:37:23 < PeterM> because most optotriacs can only do like 200ma
2016-09-13T03:37:58 < stvn> i'd also suggest the 'computer board' is susceptible to EMI
2016-09-13T03:38:13 < stvn> maybe it is laid out like a dogs breakfast but thats neither here nor there
2016-09-13T03:38:25 < upgrdman> its almost certainly us
2016-09-13T03:38:27 < upgrdman> is
2016-09-13T03:38:53 < upgrdman> and i wonder how badly they routed power cables and signal cables
2016-09-13T03:38:59 < PeterM> imho triac based SSRs shouldn't be called SSRs because they only work for AC, but real SSR sho0ldn't care - so real SSR is 2 back to back mosfets + photopile
2016-09-13T03:39:24 < stvn> PeterM: i see
2016-09-13T03:43:31 < Laurenceb__> http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/index.html
2016-09-13T03:43:37 < Laurenceb__> lul Hillary on 8chan
2016-09-13T03:44:30 < Laurenceb__> He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people, now have 11 million
2016-09-13T03:44:37 < Laurenceb__> 8chan server dieded
2016-09-13T03:49:01 < stvn> it's like the retard olympics
2016-09-13T03:49:13 < Laurenceb__> I blame the hacker 4chan
2016-09-13T03:49:26 < stvn> same shit in AU, nobody gives a fuck they think both political parties are equally retarded
2016-09-13T03:50:18 < Laurenceb__> well I hope so, if there are really 11million 8chan users then I'd be worried
2016-09-13T03:50:47 < stvn> mmmm
2016-09-13T03:50:53 < Laurenceb__> altho maybe they could be monetized
2016-09-13T03:50:58 < stvn> yeah idk/care
2016-09-13T03:51:05 < Laurenceb__> I could become the next Josh
2016-09-13T03:51:11 < stvn> excellent
2016-09-13T03:51:17 < stvn> how about the next laurence
2016-09-13T03:51:28 < Laurenceb__> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/index.php?title=Joshua_Moon&redirect=no
2016-09-13T03:51:37 < stvn> nah thanks
2016-09-13T03:51:39 < Laurenceb__> Josh lied 8chan died
2016-09-13T03:51:45 < stvn> maybe when i home
2016-09-13T03:52:45 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/1d8oV3v.mp4
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2016-09-13T03:52:56 < stvn> i wish the fucking rain would stop
2016-09-13T03:53:08 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: ...
2016-09-13T03:54:01 < stvn> so far all i have is an audio mixer to repair
2016-09-13T03:58:21 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/GvpmzXt.jpg
2016-09-13T03:58:26 < stvn> life of a pumper
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2016-09-13T04:19:17 < LeelooMinai> RBIT
2016-09-13T04:19:23 < LeelooMinai> REVxx
2016-09-13T04:24:57 < LeelooMinai> I think ARM switched endianness at some point, so no wonder they have this instruction
2016-09-13T04:25:30 < LeelooMinai> But I would expect x86 to have it...
2016-09-13T04:26:20 < LeelooMinai> On the other hand, I think, x86 has popcnt and ARM do not
2016-09-13T04:27:59 < LeelooMinai> So 1:1 I guess:)
2016-09-13T04:28:09 < LeelooMinai> But reverse is probably more useful.
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2016-09-13T04:31:51 < stvn> sup R2COM
2016-09-13T04:32:56 < upgrdman> not yet
2016-09-13T04:37:25 < stvn> i purchased a game on steam
2016-09-13T04:39:03 < stvn> was a good 8hrs
2016-09-13T04:39:07 < LeelooMinai> "My Little Pony - Special Forces"
2016-09-13T04:39:11 < stvn> naa
2016-09-13T04:39:14 < stvn> wolfestein
2016-09-13T04:39:26 < stvn> *wolfenstein
2016-09-13T04:39:33 < LeelooMinai> Thtat's ancient...
2016-09-13T04:39:45 < stvn> nah the latest one mate
2016-09-13T04:40:08 < stvn> that red button :)
2016-09-13T04:40:22 < stvn> i still enjoy wolfenstein 3d
2016-09-13T04:40:55 < LeelooMinai> Soon Trump will have a red button like that - it will be less funny:)
2016-09-13T04:41:04 < stvn> indeed
2016-09-13T04:41:17 < stvn> they will probably give him a fake one ;)
2016-09-13T04:41:30 < stvn> he can stick to building his 'walls'
2016-09-13T04:41:39 < LeelooMinai> Or they will wire it to a trap door under his chair
2016-09-13T04:42:16  * stvn nods
2016-09-13T04:42:21 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/vCi9xaX
2016-09-13T04:42:47 < stvn> i really doubt us presidents have absolute power, given they're half senile with no brain capacity
2016-09-13T04:46:38 < stvn> next topic then
2016-09-13T04:51:02 < PeterM> http://store.steampowered.com/app/384630/
2016-09-13T04:51:25 < PeterM> http://store.steampowered.com/app/310080/
2016-09-13T05:04:50 < Thorn> is this legit https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Near-Field-Probe-Set-30MHz-to-3GHz-Magnetic-Field-10CM-Range-Resolution-25mm/32229933840.html
2016-09-13T05:05:34 < LeelooMinai> Probably
2016-09-13T05:06:32 < PeterM> i see no reason why it would not be legit, however, often i see them come with amps
2016-09-13T05:06:50 < PeterM> so you can use tehm into a 50ohm scope
2016-09-13T05:07:56 < LeelooMinai> This one has amplifier: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Near-Field-Probe-30M-3GHz-Magnetic-Field-10CM-Range-Preamplifier-100K-2GHz-Gain-20dB-Input-10dBm/32286922878.html
2016-09-13T05:08:19 < LeelooMinai> They are not cheap overall:/
2016-09-13T05:09:09 < Thorn> funny how the probes are up to 3GHz but the amp is 2GHz
2016-09-13T05:14:46 < Thorn> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Siglent-magnetic-near-field-probe-kit-SRF5030-used-for-electro-magnetic-achieve-interference-source-rapid-bit/32629059659.html
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2016-09-13T05:32:42 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://imgur.com/A8SvwAa
2016-09-13T05:34:38 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Why is that when every time I click on your links I have to think "Damn, what is wrong with this dude... "
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2016-09-13T05:35:37 < LeelooMinai> Cannot you link something interesting/tasteful from time to time? :p
2016-09-13T05:35:41 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, this is ##stm32, its socially acceptable over here ;)
2016-09-13T05:36:21 < LeelooMinai> I guess cutting peoples heads is acceptable in some parts of the world too, so...
2016-09-13T05:36:24 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, but seriously, if my links dont specifcally reference something, it's prolly shitposting
2016-09-13T05:37:22 < LeelooMinai> With gillotines:)
2016-09-13T05:37:44 < upgrdman> lol at the right one  https://i.reddituploads.com/b7780e1179134d028252aa7258f38beb?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=709c6d64000645da52f5d01828b4d953
2016-09-13T05:38:00 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess I would rather have that than, say, being electrocuted - it's much more cruel imo
2016-09-13T05:39:04 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You get unconscious even with small blood pressure loss, so I presume that heaving a head cut off would put you in an unconscious state much faster:p
2016-09-13T05:39:45 < LeelooMinai> And what are you going to do in 2 seconds? Write a book? :)
2016-09-13T05:39:46 < upgrdman> haha  http://www.news4jax.com/news/florida/man-shot-after-asking-if-bulletproof-vest-works
2016-09-13T05:40:34 < Thorn> China stuff is always cheap rite https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Siglent-DPB5700A-High-Voltage-Differential-Probe-attenuation-ratio-100X-1000X-Bandwidth-100MHz-7000V/32626870510.html
2016-09-13T05:40:54 < LeelooMinai> Maybe it will register the image, but at this point you won't be probably in position to "think" about it.
2016-09-13T05:41:20 < LeelooMinai> So, what does it matter.
2016-09-13T05:41:57 < LeelooMinai> Now, with electrocution things take much longer and sometimes they cannot even kill one properly and have to resume...
2016-09-13T05:42:35 < LeelooMinai> lol ^ having a head cut off as a "critical situation"
2016-09-13T05:43:51 < LeelooMinai> Right, and someone cuts your head with a longsword - great
2016-09-13T05:44:48 < LeelooMinai> I think people don't go to battle with gillotines too often - obviously it was in the context of execution.
2016-09-13T05:45:59 < LeelooMinai> Right, good it made those that were 5 feet high and had strength of a 12 yo girl:p
2016-09-13T05:46:05 < emeb_mac> dongscorp probably sells digital video stuff to these guys: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3038285-2014-Cobham-TCS-Catalog.html
2016-09-13T05:46:40  * LeelooMinai stares at that street and imagines riding a bike on it in a rain
2016-09-13T05:47:42 < LeelooMinai> That's wonderful
2016-09-13T05:48:00 < LeelooMinai> You can sleep well then:p
2016-09-13T05:49:19 < stvn> i like the sound of this dongscorp
2016-09-13T05:50:11 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Have a vidoe on it? :)
2016-09-13T05:50:14 < LeelooMinai> of*
2016-09-13T05:58:56 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/HkTSvJp.jpg
2016-09-13T06:06:53 < aandrew> upgrdman: LOL
2016-09-13T06:12:53 < upgrdman> R2COM, :)
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2016-09-13T06:32:50 < stvn> lots of dedotaded wam on the gfx card
2016-09-13T06:36:54 < stvn> :o
2016-09-13T06:37:49 < LeelooMinai> I had a Voodoo card once - or a clone of it. That's how old I am:p
2016-09-13T06:38:08 < LeelooMinai> No, 45...
2016-09-13T06:38:44 < LeelooMinai> 45 is new 30
2016-09-13T06:38:51 < upgrdman> R2COM, just one gtx1080
2016-09-13T06:38:57 < upgrdman> went with an itx mobo, only one slot
2016-09-13T06:39:17 < stvn> who would need 2x gtx1080
2016-09-13T06:39:37 < stvn> any specific game?
2016-09-13T06:39:39 < upgrdman> stvn, well at 4k60, even a gtx1080 is sometimes struggling
2016-09-13T06:39:41 < LeelooMinai> Things were simpler then - you either had no GPU and Quake sucked, or you had a Voodoo and you felt like you had a supercomputer:)
2016-09-13T06:39:48 < stvn> hmmm
2016-09-13T06:39:58 < stvn> LeelooMinai: those were fun times
2016-09-13T06:40:10 < stvn> yup
2016-09-13T06:40:12 < LeelooMinai> There were even GPUs that made the games slower than just running on CPU... lol
2016-09-13T06:41:35 < stvn> they were good fun over LAN
2016-09-13T06:41:36 < LeelooMinai> Where, in a museum? :p
2016-09-13T06:41:57 < stvn> probably on steam....
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2016-09-13T06:42:26 < LeelooMinai> Ok, I guess it's a "retro gaming" thing
2016-09-13T06:44:51 < LeelooMinai> Games are fun, but will suck half of your life off:)
2016-09-13T06:45:06 < dongs> more like steaming shit community
2016-09-13T06:45:08 < LeelooMinai> Better to have nice hobby imo.
2016-09-13T06:46:17 < LeelooMinai> IRC? :p
2016-09-13T06:46:19 < dongs> hobby: downloading STEAM games and not playing htem
2016-09-13T06:47:05 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Yes, gaming can be a sort of hobby, I guess, but it's kind of sad because you are not really creating anything interesting.
2016-09-13T06:47:26 < LeelooMinai> In RL that is:)
2016-09-13T06:48:44 < LeelooMinai> Ok, just checking if you are not a gaming adict I guess.
2016-09-13T06:49:16 < LeelooMinai> ...
2016-09-13T06:49:41 < dongs> haha r2bro your steam reviews are not very popular
2016-09-13T06:49:56 < stvn> dongs: yeah i have 10 games and i play 1
2016-09-13T06:50:02 < stvn> figured i'd stop there.
2016-09-13T06:50:35 < dongs> 1 person found this review funny
2016-09-13T06:50:38 < dongs> R2COM: right
2016-09-13T06:50:43 < LeelooMinai> I used to be a little addicted to EVE Online, but used EE as a therapy to get unaddicted:)
2016-09-13T06:50:52 < stvn> ee is fun
2016-09-13T06:51:05 < stvn> i wish i could go back
2016-09-13T06:51:41 < LeelooMinai> That's what Terminator said
2016-09-13T06:52:42 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I like all the neat thread features Chibios has.
2016-09-13T06:53:46 < LeelooMinai> Got this design going with stm32l4 finally: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/28403394320
2016-09-13T06:54:08 < LeelooMinai> Assembled another one of those: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/28598471430
2016-09-13T06:54:36 < LeelooMinai> Designed cover for my CNC: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/16272619078
2016-09-13T06:54:41 < LeelooMinai> In Fusion360
2016-09-13T06:55:03 < LeelooMinai> And about 100 other things:p
2016-09-13T06:56:27 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I don't make gadgets, but things for my own use. The XMOS board is a gigabit ethernet hub for my devices and the little board is for my CNC to capture digital indicator data and send to the XMOS hub and to the PC of course for processing (with linuxcnc controlling the CNC)
2016-09-13T06:59:23 < LeelooMinai> I wait for some aluminum bar to finish my cover, but it will look like that: http://i.imgur.com/C4UQ4wO.png
2016-09-13T07:00:00 < LeelooMinai> I don't know, but I know they have USB one, TCP, I think some Modbus stuff, and tons of sound-related ones.
2016-09-13T07:00:11 < stvn> nice one
2016-09-13T07:00:37 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Well, you know, it's not up to par with playuing on Steam, but I don't complain:)
2016-09-13T07:01:39 < LeelooMinai> That's wonderful, but I don't see your point:)
2016-09-13T07:01:46 < stvn> i like electronics
2016-09-13T07:02:42 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Well, in response to you criticizing a CNC project - just because you make something that you do not plan to sell, it's not useless.
2016-09-13T07:05:47 < dongs> well, just because it has xmos in it, its already automatically useless
2016-09-13T07:05:49 < dongs> :)
2016-09-13T07:05:53 < dongs> whether you try to sell it or not
2016-09-13T07:07:20 < LeelooMinai> They do pretty well. Especially in audio area. They moved into gigabit ethernet with latest ICs too, and I decided to use XMOS instead of FPGA for my "hub" thing, because it made more sense in terms of maintaining the code.
2016-09-13T07:08:21 < LeelooMinai> FPGAs are neat, but the tools make one want to bang the head on the desk
2016-09-13T07:10:07 < LeelooMinai> dongs: What don't you like in XMOS?
2016-09-13T07:14:28 < upgrdman> dongs, the amazasoft wire, what varieties can you get?
2016-09-13T07:16:32 < stvn> fucking laser printers
2016-09-13T07:21:03 < dongs> upgrdman: i think only black for teh stuff thats bound
2016-09-13T07:21:08 < dongs> ribbon or whatever
2016-09-13T07:21:15 < dongs> i didnt ask recently tho
2016-09-13T07:21:28 < upgrdman> dongs, is it just one wire size and wire count?
2016-09-13T07:21:49 < dongs> yes
2016-09-13T07:21:52 < upgrdman> ok
2016-09-13T07:21:53 < dongs> btw, wtf is up with this shit
2016-09-13T07:21:55 < dongs> http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Voltage-Regulator-Resistor-Divider-Calculator.phtml
2016-09-13T07:22:05 < dongs> is it wrong or something
2016-09-13T07:22:21 < dongs> im looking at LDO with 3.6K/1.5K for R1/R2 and 1.24V reference
2016-09-13T07:22:26 < dongs> and this shit calculates some dumb values
2016-09-13T07:22:27 < dongs> but
2016-09-13T07:22:30 < upgrdman> dongs, fell me selling me 5 meters of it? can i PM you
2016-09-13T07:22:30 < dongs> 1.24V*(1+(3.6/1.5))
2016-09-13T07:22:43 < dongs> upgrdman: yes, when im back in fofice in like 2 days
2016-09-13T07:22:49 < upgrdman> k
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2016-09-13T07:33:20 < stvn> i calculate that shit with a bleed current assumed
2016-09-13T07:36:09 < dongs> yeah but its not even close
2016-09-13T07:36:20 < dongs> unless that calculator only applies to those 3 pin LDos without FB pin
2016-09-13T07:36:57 < dongs> like for 4.2V output and 3.6K R1 that shit gives me 8.6K R2
2016-09-13T07:37:03 < dongs> when it should be 1.5K...
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2016-09-13T07:38:11 < dongs> http://www.referencedesigner.com/rfcal/cal_15.php
2016-09-13T07:38:14 < dongs> ok this place is doing it right
2016-09-13T07:38:17 < dongs> the other site must be ust shit
2016-09-13T07:38:26 < dongs> I wonder how much shit got burned by dumbfucks just blindly using those results
2016-09-13T07:38:35 < dongs> haha
2016-09-13T07:38:41 < dongs> thats not orcad
2016-09-13T07:38:45 < dongs> thats electronicsworkbench
2016-09-13T07:39:33 < dongs> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mEidzkfmkl4/UCOXtvNGnWI/AAAAAAAAEgM/xf1-gW15wlM/s1600/del20033.png
2016-09-13T07:39:36 < dongs> it is
2016-09-13T07:40:45 < dongs> http://sine.ni.com/images/products/us/050826_edasoftware_l.gif can only find retarded small pic of acutal UI
2016-09-13T07:40:59 < dongs> orcad cant even do antialiased fonts
2016-09-13T07:41:07 < dongs> coz its using like 1986 GDI drawing tech
2016-09-13T07:43:29 < stvn> back to this argument ey gents
2016-09-13T07:45:59 < stvn> nah
2016-09-13T07:46:01 < stvn> get wired man
2016-09-13T07:46:18 < dongs> I found whats wrong wiht the 1st one
2016-09-13T07:46:20 < stvn> i hear tectu is making an appearance later
2016-09-13T07:46:21 < dongs> tehy have R1/R2 swapped
2016-09-13T07:46:31 < stvn> sure
2016-09-13T07:46:32 < dongs> R1 in their input box is acutally R2
2016-09-13T07:46:46 < dongs> then it works ok, if I use 1.5K as "R1" then it gives 3.6K for R2
2016-09-13T07:46:56 < stvn> so some poor maker blew up his circuit
2016-09-13T07:47:06 < dongs> probably all of them
2016-09-13T07:47:12 < stvn> excellent
2016-09-13T07:47:19 < dongs> since this shit is on top of google search for voltage regulator resistor calculator
2016-09-13T07:47:22 < dongs> or whatever
2016-09-13T07:47:24 < stvn> indeed
2016-09-13T07:47:35 < stvn> all the hurt they could have saved by reading the datasheet
2016-09-13T07:48:40 < dongs> but their datasheet came from alldatasheet.com
2016-09-13T07:48:55 < dongs> so it doesnt show this
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2016-09-13T07:56:50 < aandrew> that second pic looks like electronics workbench
2016-09-13T07:58:53 < stvn> whatever it is, it's fuckin' shit!
2016-09-13T08:09:08 < stvn> ah god damn it
2016-09-13T08:09:43 < dongs> got a nice 40V/18A power supply setup here
2016-09-13T08:09:53 < stvn> tell me more
2016-09-13T08:10:08 < dongs> http://www.kikusui.co.jp/en/product/detail.php?IdFamily=0001
2016-09-13T08:10:10 < dongs> PAS40-18
2016-09-13T08:10:59 < stvn> nice, think you showed me this beast before
2016-09-13T08:11:04 < dongs> nope, this is new
2016-09-13T08:11:15 < dongs> i've got that 1500W or whaever load box from same place tho
2016-09-13T08:11:15 < stvn> what's the application?
2016-09-13T08:11:25 < dongs> well, thisis just to replace a dead riglol
2016-09-13T08:11:42 < dongs> so general work shit.
2016-09-13T08:11:51 < dongs> but this office is a fucking mess, its like the only working powersupply in here now
2016-09-13T08:11:59 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-13T08:12:30 < stvn> one day i'll get something nicer than my chinese 2n3055 piece of shit
2016-09-13T08:14:22 < LeelooMinai> Make a hard-core PSU like that phiotoinduction guy that powered 20kW light bulb with it:)
2016-09-13T08:14:34 < stvn> pointless
2016-09-13T08:14:43 < LeelooMinai> That the point...
2016-09-13T08:14:50 < stvn> :[
2016-09-13T08:15:07 < stvn> i'd rather do practical things with electricity, not 'muh pops and bangs'
2016-09-13T08:15:43 < LeelooMinai> But it was pretty funny - at some point the screen just went 100% white - a bit of overexposure I guess:)
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2016-09-13T08:15:56 < stvn> yip
2016-09-13T08:16:21 < LeelooMinai> He also started sweating like in a sauna.
2016-09-13T08:16:25 < stvn> i got this amp module some butcher has had a real go at
2016-09-13T08:17:16 < jpa-> not surprising considering most saunas are 10kW or so :P
2016-09-13T08:17:29 < stvn> half of these 0805s look like he's burned them with the iron
2016-09-13T08:18:48 < stvn> 1st step half a can of flux-off and a gas mask :/
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2016-09-13T08:46:15 < jpa-> which way do people here prefer? 1) dumping the huge STM32 part on one schematic sheet and having nets going to other sheets   or   2) making a STM32 symbol that is in several parts so that you can put each on separate sheet with the relevant parts?
2016-09-13T08:47:02 < emeb_mac> single symbol
2016-09-13T08:51:22 < dongs> err
2016-09-13T08:51:32 < dongs> i usually just resize the sheet
2016-09-13T08:51:37 < dongs> for 48pin parts i do single part
2016-09-13T08:51:51 < dongs> for 64+ stuff i usually just split htem into PA/PB/PC etc ports and a VCC/GND/XTAL block
2016-09-13T08:52:57 < XTL> Probably single symbol and named nets (or whatever the cad and system in place usually does)
2016-09-13T08:56:32 < upgrdman> found r2com   https://i.redd.it/143m1zpwe8lx.jpg
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2016-09-13T08:58:04 < jpa-> yeah; i have A3 sheet and the STM32F765 100-pin symbol barely fits :D
2016-09-13T09:00:47 < dongs> altidumb?
2016-09-13T09:00:49 < dongs> just make a bigger sheet
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2016-09-13T09:01:22 < jpa-> becomes annoying to scroll
2016-09-13T09:01:26 < jpa-> but yeah, not a huge issue
2016-09-13T09:01:40 < dongs> anyway, i think separate symbols on different sheets is even mroe annoying
2016-09-13T09:01:48 < jpa-> in the past i've made one schematic with split symbol STM32F4 144-pin and it turned out pretty nice IMO
2016-09-13T09:02:00 < jpa-> too bad it's work stuff so can't share for criticism
2016-09-13T09:03:27 < jadew> I don't mind separate symbols on different sheets
2016-09-13T09:03:33 < jadew> as long as you know it's there, it's fine
2016-09-13T09:03:47 < jadew> you could even dedicate a sheet to notes like that
2016-09-13T09:03:55 < dongs> got a switcher problem
2016-09-13T09:03:55 < jadew> (if it's a big project)
2016-09-13T09:06:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FUgypc4.png under no load, this matches EVM. http://i.imgur.com/yCSmMkc.png during load, weird remainder of that no-load noise thingy
2016-09-13T09:06:48 < dongs> and switcher starts to drop vout severely under even > 500mA load
2016-09-13T09:06:56 < dongs> but EVM switcher doesnt drop at all even under like 6A load
2016-09-13T09:06:57 < dongs> what gives>
2016-09-13T09:08:28 < jadew> is that the output?
2016-09-13T09:08:36 < jadew> what you get after the filter cap?
2016-09-13T09:09:00 < jpa-> what switcher?
2016-09-13T09:09:27 < dongs> thats Sw pin
2016-09-13T09:09:41 < dongs> output just drops, doesnt look very interesting
2016-09-13T09:10:02 < jpa-> to me that waveform looks pretty normal for a boost converter
2016-09-13T09:10:10 < jadew> then perhaps it's the feedback loop that's broken somehow
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2016-09-13T09:12:09 < dongs> right, i checked and that doesnt look to be changing
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2016-09-13T09:12:16 < dongs> its one of those dumb shits that needs a COMP netwrok
2016-09-13T09:12:23 < dongs> i wonder if thats doing it
2016-09-13T09:12:45 < dongs> anyway the part is not even on google
2016-09-13T09:12:50 < dongs> its some Sylergy shit
2016-09-13T09:13:27 < jpa-> can you get a measurement of it under load on the EVM?
2016-09-13T09:13:32 < dongs> yes
2016-09-13T09:13:48 < dongs> ive checked FB on evm, it looked stable
2016-09-13T09:13:49 < dongs> under any load
2016-09-13T09:14:00 < dongs> not dropping/changing
2016-09-13T09:14:01 < jpa-> it seems to be in discontinous mode in that second picture still, which seems strange if the output voltage is dropping
2016-09-13T09:14:20 < dongs> when its over limit it just starts to turn off vout in a sawtooth pattern
2016-09-13T09:16:11 < dongs> hmmmm
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2016-09-13T09:26:05 < dongs> <ohsixI> when people are actually trying to learn something i make everything overly complex and introduce way too many terms they might not know, and respond to everything they say even if it is rhetorical and they're thinking out loud
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2016-09-13T09:26:25 < upgrdman> anyone use silicone car wiper blades? are they better than normal shit?
2016-09-13T09:27:00 < jpa-> normal shit isn't silicone?
2016-09-13T09:27:20 < LeelooMinai> Probably rubber
2016-09-13T09:27:26 < upgrdman> fuck if i know
2016-09-13T09:27:50 < upgrdman> but like, these are supposedly amazeballs, but no idea is its legit   http://www.piaa.com/store/c/28-Wiper-Blades.aspx
2016-09-13T09:27:58 < dongs> i use graphene wiper blades
2016-09-13T09:28:08 < dongs> they're so amaze, they're invisible
2016-09-13T09:29:26 < LeelooMinai> I use lasers to vaporize rain drops from the windhield.
2016-09-13T09:29:51 < emeb_mac> obligatory: "nuke it from orbit - the only way to be sure"
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2016-09-13T09:30:48 < PeterM> blast it with piss
2016-09-13T09:34:52 < PaulFertser> I use left glove without any blades
2016-09-13T09:35:24 < PeterM> lada has no wipers?
2016-09-13T09:36:10 < PaulFertser> When I had lada I tried both normal and silicone wiper blades, the result was the same. But I'm not driving any car nowadays, and there's no wiper blade on a motorbike helmet.
2016-09-13T09:36:30 < dongs> PaulFertser: do you have a dashcam
2016-09-13T09:36:53 < PeterM> nah hes got a helmet cam
2016-09-13T09:37:00 < dongs> same shit
2016-09-13T09:37:09 < dongs> PeterM: any idea on my switcher aids
2016-09-13T09:37:20 < PaulFertser> dongs: nope, though I'd better get an action cam attached, it helpes a lot in case of a road accident.
2016-09-13T09:37:31 < dongs> right
2016-09-13T09:37:56 < PaulFertser> dongs: the thing is, most people here use a dashcam because police can't be trusted to investigate properly.
2016-09-13T09:38:41 < PeterM> dongs is that at the switch node, like between the fet + inductor + rectifier diode of a boost converter?
2016-09-13T09:38:52 < dongs> boost, its on the SW pin
2016-09-13T09:38:58 < dongs> no diode on this thing
2016-09-13T09:39:02 < PeterM> got a pic of your layout?
2016-09-13T09:39:11 < PeterM> its sync?
2016-09-13T09:40:19 < dongs> yeah sync i guess.layout just stolen from evm mroe or less
2016-09-13T09:40:30 < PaulFertser> btw, there're some special small wipers that one attaches to a finger
2016-09-13T09:44:36 < dongs> butt wiperrs
2016-09-13T09:46:00 < dongs> i think the shit uses disconnectionfet or something isntead of diode
2016-09-13T09:48:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ERvWCQF.png
2016-09-13T09:48:52 < PeterM> yeah, looks like high dv/dt is causing miller turn on of the low side fet and its oscillating
2016-09-13T09:49:57 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/pV7AbWt.png
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2016-09-13T09:55:01 < PeterM> what kinda caps you got for bd and bs?
2016-09-13T09:55:12 < PeterM> you're gonna need some real decent caps there
2016-09-13T09:55:40 < dongs> 22uF 25V chinacap on BD
2016-09-13T09:55:42 < PeterM> otherwise your fets are gonna be swinging aorund like crazy
2016-09-13T09:55:46 < dongs> 0.1uF 50V chinacap on BS
2016-09-13T09:56:28 < PeterM> the 22u china cap, is it likew 1810 or somethin or is it like... 0805 *shugdders*
2016-09-13T09:56:33 < dongs> 1206
2016-09-13T09:56:39 < dongs> so it should be fairly legit
2016-09-13T09:57:04 < dongs> the EVB has same shit on it, well, dunno if same shitcap, but same 1206 thing
2016-09-13T10:00:16 < PeterM> stack another one of oyur BS and BD caps on top of oyur existing ones,
2016-09-13T10:00:42 < PeterM> vecause i strongly doubt the 1206 22u is sufficient
2016-09-13T10:01:21 < PeterM> i know EVM has it but they probably dug out some super spec TDK 1206 not some rando chinacrap
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2016-09-13T10:02:37 < dongs> ok lets see
2016-09-13T10:02:41 < dongs> the work environment here is awful
2016-09-13T10:02:43 < dongs> nothing useful
2016-09-13T10:02:53 < dongs> i wasted 2 hours looking for a 1.27mm pitch 2x5 connector yesterday
2016-09-13T10:03:49 < PeterM> not in dongslab in the glorious nippon motherland?
2016-09-13T10:05:25 < dongs> yeah
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2016-09-13T10:09:09 < dongs> hm
2016-09-13T10:09:13 < dongs> looks better on scope
2016-09-13T10:09:15 < dongs> with another 22uF cap
2016-09-13T10:09:20 < dongs> no ringing on turn off
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2016-09-13T10:21:35 < PeterM> also, 15A sync boost, thats a pretty hearty switcher
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2016-09-13T10:28:10 < dongs> yeah
2016-09-13T10:28:13 < dongs> the evb is awesome
2016-09-13T10:29:01 < PeterM> is the evb layout liek the one i nthe DS?
2016-09-13T10:29:14 < dongs> yea
2016-09-13T10:29:19 < dongs> its pretty hard to fuck it up
2016-09-13T10:29:23 < dongs> cuz they have all the pins arranged so
2016-09-13T10:29:35 < dongs> like, you cant do it wrong even trying
2016-09-13T10:29:52 < PeterM> yeah, i reckon hte could have rotated the inductor 90 degrees and stuck vin and gnd o nthe bottom instead of the side
2016-09-13T10:29:57 < PeterM> but yeah
2016-09-13T10:30:03 < PeterM> agreed
2016-09-13T10:30:18 < dongs> BS cap is on the left side, passing through those 2 connected pins
2016-09-13T10:30:27 < dongs> antwaty, board layout is very similar to ds/evm
2016-09-13T10:30:57 < dongs> or BD or wahtever the25uF one is
2016-09-13T10:31:09 < dongs> BD yeha.
2016-09-13T10:32:07 < PeterM> mmhm, anyway, its all good now right?
2016-09-13T10:32:13 < dongs> well no
2016-09-13T10:32:17 < dongs> looks ok on scope with 2 caps
2016-09-13T10:32:21 < dongs> but stll drops voltage liek mad
2016-09-13T10:32:25 < PeterM> ahh
2016-09-13T10:32:30 < dongs> 5V out -> drops to like 4.2+ under 1A load
2016-09-13T10:34:10 < dongs> just gonna email the fucks and ask
2016-09-13T10:34:17 < dongs> they're buying like 5k of these things
2016-09-13T10:36:39 < PeterM> fair nuff
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2016-09-13T11:15:57 < Tectu> Good day to you, people of the underworld.
2016-09-13T11:17:04 < Chris_M> Thank you
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2016-09-13T11:21:56 < Tectu> please give me money now
2016-09-13T11:23:43 < PeterM> no, you'll jsut spend it on hookers
2016-09-13T11:24:55 < emeryth> or worse, stm32 chips
2016-09-13T11:27:27 < Tectu> I don't do hookers, Mr. PeterM
2016-09-13T11:27:35 < Tectu> also, PIC32 > STM32
2016-09-13T11:27:50 < Tectu> I'd even PIC18F > STM32
2016-09-13T11:27:54 < PeterM> fuck off oyu dont tectu
2016-09-13T11:28:04 < Tectu> awwww, you know me too well. how cute is that :3
2016-09-13T11:28:10 < Fleck> yeah right :D
2016-09-13T11:28:14 < Tectu> Also, please watch your language, Mr. PeterM
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2016-09-13T11:30:17 < Tectu> Hi Mr. Fleck
2016-09-13T11:30:21 < Fleck> hi
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2016-09-13T11:33:54 < Tectu> but I'm looking forward to it.
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2016-09-13T12:25:56 < Thorn> wat is this, a dongs inc. product? http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Function-generator-miniDDS-finished-product-Japan-/162183379387
2016-09-13T12:30:18 < LeelooMinai> Well, weak specs, but nice docs:)
2016-09-13T12:30:55 < Tectu> dongs doesn't do weak specs
2016-09-13T12:31:53 < LeelooMinai> I mean max 20kHz sine wave is not exactly impressive
2016-09-13T12:32:00 < LeelooMinai> 200kHz
2016-09-13T12:32:46 < Fleck> well, he uses wincrap, so... it's auto-weak-specs ...
2016-09-13T12:33:35 < Tectu> LeelooMinai, what are you up to, by the way?
2016-09-13T12:33:44 < PeterM> well, dongs *does* get shit done, so that makes him better than lunix
2016-09-13T12:33:52 < Tectu> ^ +1
2016-09-13T12:33:52 < LeelooMinai> I am to getting to bed at 5:30 am:)
2016-09-13T12:34:07 < Tectu> that sounds like a good time to get to bed
2016-09-13T12:34:21 < LeelooMinai> Right, birds waking up, sun rising, etc. - perfect
2016-09-13T12:34:30 < LeelooMinai> For a vampire at least
2016-09-13T12:34:55 < Tectu> vampire chameleon?
2016-09-13T12:35:19 < LeelooMinai> vampileon
2016-09-13T12:35:22 < Tectu> :D
2016-09-13T12:35:24  * LeelooMinai goes to sleep
2016-09-13T12:35:31 < Tectu> so that gets you the flies and the girls then? nice.
2016-09-13T12:35:36 < Tectu> sparking camouflage
2016-09-13T12:36:00 < LeelooMinai> I am not a lesbian, so...
2016-09-13T12:36:08 < Tectu> :D
2016-09-13T12:36:11 < Tectu> you should be here more often
2016-09-13T12:36:41 < LeelooMinai> I am recently. Not sure why - had something to do with my current project.
2016-09-13T12:38:19 < Tectu> better tell me why my shit is not working before you leave for sleep
2016-09-13T12:38:22 < Tectu> bed*
2016-09-13T12:38:45 < LeelooMinai> It's working, just not the way you want probably
2016-09-13T12:39:21 < Tectu> nah, in this case it simply doesn't work at all :p
2016-09-13T12:39:30 < Tectu> it's not a camouflaged feature
2016-09-13T12:40:04 < LeelooMinai> I am sure good people in this channel just sit there bursting with energy to help you.
2016-09-13T12:40:40 < Tectu> of course they are
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2016-09-13T12:51:32 < PeterM> wwatch out LeelooMinai he's jsut buttering you up to sell you a uGFX lic
2016-09-13T12:52:54 < Tectu> lol
2016-09-13T12:53:50 < PeterM> he laughs because its true
2016-09-13T12:54:23 < jpa-> Tectu's sales method is unique in that it requires buttering up first..
2016-09-13T12:54:29 < karlp> hey Laurenceb, what does "bio compatible" mean for wire cabling?
2016-09-13T12:55:21 < karlp> google is just turning up vague handwaving
2016-09-13T12:59:16 < Tectu> lol, game review on steam:   > I would rather buy WinRAR
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2016-09-13T13:52:45 < jadew> are they still in business?
2016-09-13T13:55:58 < dongs> • Set frequency range 0Hz ~ 200kHz (sine wave)
2016-09-13T13:55:59 < dongs> ....
2016-09-13T13:56:25 < jadew> what's that? your new sig gen? :P
2016-09-13T13:56:35 < dongs> < Thorn> wat is this, a dongs inc. product? http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Function-generator-miniDDS-finished-product-Japan-/162183379387
2016-09-13T13:56:59 < jadew> hah
2016-09-13T13:58:33 < dongs> lol @ that dumb ebay thing
2016-09-13T13:58:38 < dongs> keeps saying its jap
2016-09-13T13:58:40 < dongs> links to that pdf
2016-09-13T13:58:43 < dongs> that says its jyetech
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2016-09-13T13:59:14 < stvn> where Tectu
2016-09-13T13:59:18 < jadew> if it's japanese, it must be high tech
2016-09-13T13:59:24 < Tectu> yes stvn
2016-09-13T13:59:39 < stvn> hi
2016-09-13T13:59:39 < Tectu> it's the same DDS they used to CGI Godzilla
2016-09-13T13:59:47 < jpa-> stvn: i hope you brought butter
2016-09-13T14:00:17 < dongs> jyetech is chink peddler of shit
2016-09-13T14:00:18 < Tectu> no need to bring butter, I just got ~5kg of stroop:  http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/7505d64a54e0/e809b506df88.jpg
2016-09-13T14:00:54 < stvn> hi jpa how are you
2016-09-13T14:01:13 < stvn> and hello tecwaffel
2016-09-13T14:02:31 < stvn> hi tcop
2016-09-13T14:02:54 < jadew> Tectu, for about the same price: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-CH-AD9959-200MHz-DDS-Signal-Generator-500MSPS-Software-12864-LCD-Display-/331711702324?hash=item4d3b8ee534:g:FWMAAOSwIwhWTPxF
2016-09-13T14:03:19 < Tectu> is that the same they used to CGI Transformers?
2016-09-13T14:03:35 < jadew> and toy story
2016-09-13T14:03:59 < Tectu> toy story is not CGI, itz realz!
2016-09-13T14:05:51 < jadew> Since you asked about my kid yesterday, I remembered something today. A couple of days ago he came to my PC and said he wants to type "at my work" and was pointing towards the IRC window
2016-09-13T14:06:20 < dongs> lolol
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2016-09-13T14:10:25 < Tectu> lol
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2016-09-13T14:41:38 < jadew> interesting, turns out I can get about 200 pounds for my film camera + battery grip
2016-09-13T14:42:06 < jadew> not bad, considering I got it sh about 9 years ago for less
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2016-09-13T15:01:39 < kakimir> time to change
2016-09-13T15:01:45 < kakimir> to digital
2016-09-13T15:02:08 < jadew> already have a digital one, but I still like film better
2016-09-13T15:02:17 < jadew> it's harder to screw up
2016-09-13T15:05:00 < kakimir> you need mechanical film camera
2016-09-13T15:05:14 < kakimir> arm and shoot
2016-09-13T15:05:17 < jadew> kakimir, hah
2016-09-13T15:05:38 < kakimir> load some springs
2016-09-13T15:05:43 < jadew> my dad had one, unfortunately I decided to look inside
2016-09-13T15:05:47 < kakimir> no need for batteria
2016-09-13T15:06:25 < jadew> I couldn't put it back together and I poked at the diafragm too
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2016-09-13T15:06:44 < jadew> with a screwdriver...
2016-09-13T15:07:12 < Laurenceb__> wut are you doing?
2016-09-13T15:07:37 < jadew> I'm talking about how I opened a mechanical film camera when I was a kid
2016-09-13T15:07:46 < jadew> it's one of my biggest childhood guilts
2016-09-13T15:07:53 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-09-13T15:08:25 < jadew> the other one is that I borrowed a 130-150 years old book to a teacher without my parents knowing and he never gave it back
2016-09-13T15:08:34 < jadew> well, I guess there's more, I did a lot of shit
2016-09-13T15:09:03 < Laurenceb__> tame
2016-09-13T15:09:28 < Laurenceb__> I went shoplifting and sold class A drugs
2016-09-13T15:09:30 < jadew> haha
2016-09-13T15:09:54 < Laurenceb__> and thats how I got sent to "young offenders"
2016-09-13T15:10:06 < jadew> really?
2016-09-13T15:10:13 < jadew> you were a drug dealer?
2016-09-13T15:10:16 < Laurenceb__> lolyes
2016-09-13T15:10:35 < Laurenceb__> well no I was a runner
2016-09-13T15:11:03 < jadew> I went shoplifting too, but I was too young back then to leave a mark on my conscience
2016-09-13T15:11:18 < jadew> < 7 yo
2016-09-13T15:12:04 < jadew> and drugs were never a thing as I grew up
2016-09-13T15:12:19 < jadew> like, nobody would do drugs
2016-09-13T15:13:00 < jadew> I guess they had more pressing matters to worry about
2016-09-13T15:13:55 < jadew> hmm, turns out 100 yo books are worth shit
2016-09-13T15:14:52 < jadew> that makes it easier
2016-09-13T15:15:36 < karlp> you lent the book to your teacher, they borrowed it from you.
2016-09-13T15:16:29 < jadew> yeah and refused to give it back when I asked for it
2016-09-13T15:16:41 < jadew> he said he wants to study it a bit longer
2016-09-13T15:17:09 < jadew> the asshole played me
2016-09-13T15:18:11 < jadew> he knew that if he can hold it long enough, it's going to get harder for me to get it back
2016-09-13T15:21:30 < stvn> parrty
2016-09-13T15:22:11 < stvn> scorp
2016-09-13T15:22:14 < jadew> he's probably very old now
2016-09-13T15:22:26 < jadew> so that's totally doable
2016-09-13T15:23:46 < stvn> ima scorp up @ 5000mA
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2016-09-13T15:59:13 < Ecco> Hey
2016-09-13T15:59:17 < Ecco> What are flash pages?
2016-09-13T15:59:23 < Ecco> Is it the same thing as flash blocks?
2016-09-13T16:00:09 < jpa-> words, rows, pages, sectors, blocks, subsectors, areas; there are many names for various subdivisions of flash memory
2016-09-13T16:02:42 < Ecco> ok, great thanks :)
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2016-09-13T16:15:39 < Steffanx> Damnit what englishman?
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2016-09-13T16:36:11 < Steffanx> Oh you mean tectu photo?
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2016-09-13T17:01:30 < Steffanx> He has till 10-11 and 22-11-2016 to eat 104 stroopwafels.
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2016-09-13T17:06:24 < BrainDamage> is stroopwaffles the official ##stm32 currency now?
2016-09-13T17:13:06 < Steffanx> Hah maybe.
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2016-09-13T17:17:49 < jadew> http://qz.com/780367/rio-2016-four-visually-disabled-paralympians-ran-the-1500m-race-faster-than-the-olympics-gold-medallist/
2016-09-13T17:25:10 < Steffanx> Yeah read that too. Funny :)
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2016-09-13T17:33:26 < Ecco> WTF
2016-09-13T17:33:30 < Ecco> How is that even possible?
2016-09-13T17:33:36 < Ecco> The rules have to be different, right?
2016-09-13T17:33:40 < karlp> no?
2016-09-13T17:33:50 < Ecco> I mean, otherwise that poor chap would run in the full-blown olympics
2016-09-13T17:34:06 < karlp> probably too hard to get support to meet the harder qualification events
2016-09-13T17:34:25 < Ecco> hmm
2016-09-13T17:34:27 < Ecco> That's weird
2016-09-13T17:34:29 < Ecco> and btw
2016-09-13T17:34:38 < Ecco> those guys are running full-speed without being able to see?
2016-09-13T17:34:42 < Ecco> Boy must that be frightening
2016-09-13T17:34:50 < Ecco> imagine something just randomly gets in the way
2016-09-13T17:34:54 < karlp> safe environment.
2016-09-13T17:34:59 < Ecco> yeah, in theory
2016-09-13T17:35:03 < karlp> unlike what they'd get at a "regular" track event.
2016-09-13T17:35:04 < Ecco> a bird could drop by
2016-09-13T17:35:16 < karlp> kinda have a feeling they've hit things before in their life...
2016-09-13T17:35:21 < Ecco> :-D
2016-09-13T17:38:58 < PeterM> they're visually disabled, they can have some sort of visual perception, its not like everything is 100% black
2016-09-13T17:38:59 < karlp> also, as the article says, this years 1500m time w was the slowest since 1932
2016-09-13T17:39:18 < Steffanx> From what i understand it had to do with tactical running in the olympics. They didnt run faster then neccessary.
2016-09-13T17:39:19 < karlp> and wouldn't have even medalled for the last 16 games
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2016-09-13T17:40:16 < PeterM> iirc if your fov is less than 20degrees from one eye thats legally blind, so if oyu have perfect vision for that 20degrees but are unable to see the rest, too bad
2016-09-13T17:41:03 < PeterM> or like if everything is super super blurry so you can only make out smooth transitions of colour, atleast yo ucan see fi the colour infront of you changes, thats pretty decent
2016-09-13T17:42:30 < Ecco> I see
2016-09-13T17:42:37 < Ecco> How comes the 1500m was so bad?
2016-09-13T17:42:44 < Ecco> I don't grasp the tactical side
2016-09-13T17:43:17 < karlp> ever watched bike racing? little balls of people not passing?
2016-09-13T17:43:27 < Ecco> yeah
2016-09-13T17:43:29 < Ecco> but 1500m
2016-09-13T17:43:32 < karlp> it's not every competitor in their own private little lane with nothin in front but air
2016-09-13T17:43:33 < Ecco> it's not that long
2016-09-13T17:44:16 < karlp> to pass in 1500 you have to go around them, not just marginally faster than them in your own lane
2016-09-13T17:44:34 < Ecco> ooh, ok
2016-09-13T17:44:37 < Ecco> I see
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2016-09-13T18:17:34 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/sPYLVgJ
2016-09-13T18:18:49 < Ecco> She looks intelligent
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2016-09-13T18:28:01 < aandrew> I'd love to see some of these people 15 years from now
2016-09-13T18:28:12 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeAnarchy/ lul Chris History Month
2016-09-13T18:28:39 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdP_ExIZZpk&feature=youtu.be
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2016-09-13T18:56:09  * wanderman counts number of cool guys in the room
2016-09-13T18:57:20 < jadew> aandrew, you see them everyday, they're asking you if you want ketchup with your fries
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2016-09-13T19:07:21 < aandrew> nah
2016-09-13T19:07:29 < aandrew> I do believe a lot of these people eventually grow up
2016-09-13T19:09:20 < Steffanx> I did.
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2016-09-13T19:11:05 < Steffanx> You are the only cool guy in the room wanderman
2016-09-13T19:11:13 < jadew> aandrew, recover from such a skewed perception of reality? hard to believe they can grow in anything useful
2016-09-13T19:11:24 < aandrew> hard to say
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2016-09-13T19:11:45 < aandrew> I fully believe 90% of this shit we laugh at is just people trying to get attention and not actually believing what they write
2016-09-13T19:13:10 < Steffanx> I cant even laugh at it. I dont care. :)
2016-09-13T19:13:45  * wanderman got 100000$ for getting aandrew 's attention
2016-09-13T19:13:57 < wanderman> wow, thanks god
2016-09-13T19:14:41 < aandrew> hm?
2016-09-13T19:14:55 < aandrew> I had no idea my attention was so valuable
2016-09-13T19:15:22  * karlp is with aandrew.  seen enough of them grow up and change myself.
2016-09-13T19:15:44 < Steffanx> Karlp was a hipster too?
2016-09-13T19:17:20 < karlp> I was a hipster before they were hipsters?
2016-09-13T19:17:44 < karlp> not sure all of these failings can be discarded as just hipster
2016-09-13T19:18:03 < karlp> but yeah, seen a lot of people change a lot more than might have been thought possible
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2016-09-13T19:19:55 < Tectu> http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/7505d64a54e0/e809b506df88.jpg
2016-09-13T19:20:02 < jadew> that doesn't sound suspicious at all
2016-09-13T19:20:28 < Tectu> :)
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2016-09-13T19:27:25 < jadew> what is c?
2016-09-13T19:27:47 < jadew> haha
2016-09-13T19:27:49 < Steffanx> noo
2016-09-13T19:28:24 < Tectu> oh boy
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2016-09-13T19:36:56 < Laurenceb> nice colours
2016-09-13T19:38:05 < Laurenceb> holy shit the memes are real
2016-09-13T19:38:28 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/OHVZ9S.png
2016-09-13T19:38:42 < Laurenceb> tried dating site in local area to see if its true
2016-09-13T19:39:07 < Laurenceb> check top bar too, weird hair dye, the female fedora
2016-09-13T19:42:13 < Steffanx> Hah. i was about to mention that :D
2016-09-13T19:42:34 < Laurenceb> ^ joke is on you, you have obviously been there before
2016-09-13T19:42:43 < wanderman> attention please,
2016-09-13T19:42:55 < Laurenceb> literally every profile is epic fail on here
2016-09-13T19:43:30 < Laurenceb> I'm only there too see if it's as lulzy as claimed
2016-09-13T19:43:35 < Laurenceb> and the answer is yes
2016-09-13T19:43:55 < Steffanx> http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=epic
2016-09-13T19:44:23 < Laurenceb> truly epic
2016-09-13T19:44:41 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba84EL6wO10
2016-09-13T19:46:51 < Steffanx> What where when?
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2016-09-13T19:50:17 < Steffanx> "he" englishman?
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2016-09-13T19:51:28 < jadew> things can have epic proportions tho
2016-09-13T19:51:45 < jadew> so a fail can be of epic proportions for example
2016-09-13T19:51:56 < jadew> like those chicks on that dating site, epic proportions
2016-09-13T19:52:01 < Steffanx> but then it would be an epic failure.
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2016-09-13T19:53:52 < Steffanx> what fancy even are you hosting mr englishman?
2016-09-13T19:54:04 < Steffanx> it this why you needed colours?
2016-09-13T19:56:31 < Fleck> such colors englishman...
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2016-09-13T19:59:33 < jadew>  I can only do one color...
2016-09-13T20:00:12 < Fleck> :D yeah, no problem on my side :pp
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2016-09-13T20:00:25 < Fleck> awww
2016-09-13T20:00:30 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by ChanServ
2016-09-13T20:00:32  * Steffanx gets it too
2016-09-13T20:01:13 < Steffanx> i have a reputation https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/family-photo.links.txt
2016-09-13T20:02:13 < jadew> haha
2016-09-13T20:02:31 < karlp> probably should have just included the image itself there I guess
2016-09-13T20:02:40 < Laurenceb> where is the photo from?
2016-09-13T20:02:53 < Fleck> +1 karlp
2016-09-13T20:03:02 < karlp> if I'd done that for each of the editions, we'd be able to use githubð's timeline image viewer.
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2016-09-13T20:04:55 < Steffanx> you can play again, i finally found the setting to disable colours in my client.
2016-09-13T20:05:01 < Fleck> lol
2016-09-13T20:06:08 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/family-photo.jpg now too for anyone who clicks too late
2016-09-13T20:07:37 < Laurenceb> more liek pepe staffan
2016-09-13T20:08:28 < Laurenceb> lulz englishman has been watching the news
2016-09-13T20:11:09 < Steffanx> you still didnt tell me what fancy ##stm32 party you host englishman
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2016-09-13T20:12:25 < Steffanx> oh, a chatteur.
2016-09-13T20:12:30 < Steffanx> ##stm32 chatteur?
2016-09-13T20:13:00 < Steffanx> Not THAT many canadians here, so ... 
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2016-09-13T20:20:53 < Steffanx> ach so.
2016-09-13T20:21:09 < Laurenceb> englishman confirmed as flyback
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2016-09-13T20:27:31 < Laurenceb> I'm pretty chill, I'm a NEET. I spend a lot of time playing Smash Bros 4 with friends, but otherwise I'm sat at home watching anime. SJW pls go.
2016-09-13T20:27:40 < Laurenceb>  /pol/ack waifu found
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2016-09-13T20:28:53 < Tectu> karlp, that is the old image
2016-09-13T20:29:16 < Tectu> karlp, this is the latest: http://paste.ugfx.org/sores/7505d64a54e0/51ba1b1920af.jpg
2016-09-13T20:29:23 < Tectu> karlp, you also had that one in the file with the link
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2016-09-13T20:30:45 < Laurenceb> where is original from?
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2016-09-13T20:30:58 < Tectu> I came around it on google one night
2016-09-13T20:30:59 < Steffanx> Does not matter. 
2016-09-13T20:31:17 < Tectu> it's a GraphViz from ##stm32
2016-09-13T20:33:35 < wanderman> hey Tectu 
2016-09-13T20:33:40 < Tectu> oh boy
2016-09-13T20:33:53 < Tectu> Good evening to you, Sir.
2016-09-13T20:33:53 < wanderman> can I have your attention for a moment please
2016-09-13T20:34:00 < Tectu> Yes you can
2016-09-13T20:34:10 < wanderman> ok enough thanks
2016-09-13T20:34:36 < Tectu> wait, what?
2016-09-13T20:34:54 < wanderman> a moment is over, no more attention requied
2016-09-13T20:35:08 < Tectu> you may have it for a bit longer
2016-09-13T20:35:33 < wanderman> :D
2016-09-13T20:36:00 < wanderman> i decided to go with aws over azure
2016-09-13T20:36:12 < wanderman> as aws , free for starter :P
2016-09-13T20:36:27 < karlp> Tectu: sorry, merge failure
2016-09-13T20:36:28 < Tectu> That pleases me a lot. Thank you for sharing that fact with me.
2016-09-13T20:36:32 < Tectu> karlp, no worries :)
2016-09-13T20:37:10 < wanderman> if can't merge, just emerge
2016-09-13T20:37:21 < Tectu> -__-
2016-09-13T20:37:45 < Tectu> <Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/OHVZ9S.png   <--- that could be the fat sister of ladyada
2016-09-13T20:37:53 < karlp> I don't see the visual diff buttons though :(
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2016-09-13T20:54:07 < upgrdman> wow, this is really cool. i didnt know you could edit java code live while debugging. like i can change a println() call, save, and it goes into effect with the program still running
2016-09-13T20:54:31 < upgrdman> my quality of life just shot right the fuck up
2016-09-13T21:04:31 < Rickta59> so did I miss the uproar in here when people read this? http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1398
2016-09-13T21:04:56 < Rickta59> like peanut butter and chocolate (HALMX + Arduino) :)
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2016-09-13T21:14:38 < Steffanx> c# can do that too upgrdman \o/
2016-09-13T21:14:55 < upgrdman> cool
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2016-09-13T22:00:34 < kakimir> hello sexuals
2016-09-13T22:00:56 < upgrdman> whats kak'ing
2016-09-13T22:01:46 < kakimir> cold here
2016-09-13T22:02:12 < upgrdman> im wearing a t-shirt and shorts.
2016-09-13T22:02:17 < upgrdman> sux2bKak
2016-09-13T22:02:40 < kakimir> I'm modding oil burner to burn waste oil
2016-09-13T22:03:40 < kakimir> and thinking about building stainless steel hot tub
2016-09-13T22:04:16 < upgrdman> :)
2016-09-13T22:05:19 < kakimir> englishman: is there any skiing resorts next to your place?
2016-09-13T22:05:42 < upgrdman> been optimizing my live charting program. im now able to render >300,000 points at 4k60, and i haven't even tried opengl yet.
2016-09-13T22:05:51 < upgrdman> s/points/lines
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2016-09-13T22:06:38 < Steffanx> define: cold, kakimir
2016-09-13T22:06:58 < Steffanx> here it's the hottest 13th september ever measured.
2016-09-13T22:07:13 < Steffanx> and tomorrow will be the hottest 14th
2016-09-13T22:07:29 < Steffanx> spamming much englishman?
2016-09-13T22:08:17 < kakimir> englishman: which ones?
2016-09-13T22:08:58 < Laurenceb> k trolls per second
2016-09-13T22:09:10 < kakimir> local shiets?
2016-09-13T22:11:05 < Steffanx> fyi: the hottest means its 30C+ here.
2016-09-13T22:12:03 < Steffanx> not really.
2016-09-13T22:12:07 < kakimir> it would be great to visit whistler blackcomb some time
2016-09-13T22:12:54 < Steffanx> so what do you call "cold here" kakimir?
2016-09-13T22:13:31 < kakimir> 10C outside
2016-09-13T22:13:37 < kakimir> 15C in my lab
2016-09-13T22:13:46 < Steffanx> lol no heater at all?
2016-09-13T22:14:00 < kakimir> I butt it on for when I come here
2016-09-13T22:14:43 < kakimir> fan type
2016-09-13T22:15:58 < Steffanx> 10C is a normal september temperature there?
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2016-09-13T22:24:22 < owl-v-> I need a usb oscilloscope, and I think stm32f103 is a good candidate :)
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2016-09-13T22:27:30 < Steffanx> Better get some f4 then. or f3
2016-09-13T22:27:37 < Steffanx> better ADC and stuff
2016-09-13T22:27:43 < Steffanx> if you REALLLY want something stm32 based
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2016-09-13T22:33:12 < kakimir> jesus
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2016-09-13T22:33:22 < kakimir> isn't there some fx2 based ones?
2016-09-13T22:33:35 < kakimir> or other fast usb controller
2016-09-13T22:34:06 < kakimir> that would render sluggish mcu chips unnecessary
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2016-09-13T22:37:25 < kakimir> paypal noted me today that it's going to rip off more
2016-09-13T22:37:47 < kakimir> now it wont allow bank do conversion(no paypay conversion prices)
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2016-09-13T22:38:21 < jadew> really? they removed that option?
2016-09-13T22:38:27 < kakimir> it does conversion to home currency with their fees
2016-09-13T22:38:30 < kakimir> *rates
2016-09-13T22:38:38 < kakimir> now on
2016-09-13T22:38:55 < jadew> that's good to know
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2016-09-13T22:39:32 < brianx> banks and paypal both use inappropriate rates.  it
2016-09-13T22:39:40 < brianx> 's been that way forever
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2016-09-13T22:39:56 < kakimir> but gaypal has - outrageous rates
2016-09-13T22:40:19 < Steffanx> "it does conversion to home currency with their fees" what's new? that's what paypal always did..
2016-09-13T22:40:37 < kakimir> no you had option
2016-09-13T22:40:41 < jadew> Steffanx, it allowed you to opt for your home bank to do the conversion
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2016-09-13T22:40:52 < kakimir> less rip off rates
2016-09-13T22:40:55 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-13T22:40:56 < Steffanx> when you use a credit card probably?
2016-09-13T22:41:12 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-13T22:41:18 < Steffanx> oh, ok. I never did that
2016-09-13T22:41:29 < kakimir> who bothers to load currency to gaypal account
2016-09-13T22:41:36 < kakimir> I did it when I was poor
2016-09-13T22:41:38 < Steffanx> i dont.
2016-09-13T22:41:49 < Steffanx> i pay with paypal, paypal takes money.
2016-09-13T22:42:02 < kakimir> because bank transfering my bills directly to my paypal
2016-09-13T22:43:19 < Steffanx> transferring bills to paypal.. wut?
2016-09-13T22:45:35 < kakimir> "hey friend pay my bills" *hands over bank transfer bill and pile of paper bills*
2016-09-13T22:46:22 < Steffanx> ok, whatever
2016-09-13T22:46:54 < kakimir> I think I'm overfocused
2016-09-13T22:47:04 < kakimir> I have had a cold beer next to me for an hour
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2016-09-13T22:47:09 < kakimir> unopened!
2016-09-13T22:47:14 < Steffanx> cold beer in cold times.
2016-09-13T22:47:26 < Steffanx> better get some hot choco
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2016-09-13T22:50:34 < Ultrasauce> paypal'
2016-09-13T22:50:43 < Ultrasauce> s currency conversion rates suck though
2016-09-13T22:51:07 < Steffanx> i actually never really care about the feels. I want something, i buy something. usd = (almost)euro anyway. 
2016-09-13T22:51:11 < Steffanx> fees
2016-09-13T22:51:21 < Steffanx> feels i dont really care about either though
2016-09-13T22:52:20 < Steffanx> Ultrasauce, i've been stalking your steam profile a bit. WTF is Sub Rosa?
2016-09-13T22:52:36 < Ultrasauce> heh
2016-09-13T22:52:39 < Steffanx> and how you manage to play that for SO MANY hours.
2016-09-13T22:52:54 < Ultrasauce> it's a weird game about wheeling and dealing
2016-09-13T22:53:11 < Steffanx> and weird it is.
2016-09-13T22:53:12 < Ultrasauce> it has really good car physics and really weird player physics
2016-09-13T22:53:39 < Ultrasauce> and it's probably the best salt mine of any game in existence
2016-09-13T22:54:08 < Ultrasauce> people get maaaad
2016-09-13T22:54:50 < Steffanx> but 569 hours.. daamn.
2016-09-13T22:55:03 < jadew> looks like GTA, but in minecraft world
2016-09-13T22:55:13 < Ultrasauce> that's not counting my smurf accound and all the time i played it in wine without the steam integration
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2016-09-13T22:59:49 < Steffanx> lol some 2TB ssd sold for 133 euro. I wonder if i will actually get it when i order one. (normal price is ~1.3k)
2016-09-13T23:00:03 < Steffanx> uhm, actually 1.6k
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2016-09-13T23:05:06 < jadew> ebay?
2016-09-13T23:05:48 < Steffanx> no.
2016-09-13T23:05:51 < Steffanx> really webshop.
2016-09-13T23:06:11 < jadew> heh
2016-09-13T23:06:18 < jadew> they'll say it was a mistake
2016-09-13T23:06:23 < jadew> do they still have them?
2016-09-13T23:06:37 < jadew> buy more
2016-09-13T23:06:49 < Steffanx> yes, nah. i wont. Too much hassle :P
2016-09-13T23:09:44 < jadew> maybe you'll get a HDD :)
2016-09-13T23:10:54 < Steffanx> Yes, i actually see what they did. They listed some USB3.0 disks with the specs(incl product code etc.) of some other disk. 
2016-09-13T23:11:01 < Steffanx> *disk
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2016-09-13T23:15:49 < jadew> sorry
2016-09-13T23:16:42 < jadew> they seem to be much more reasonable now
2016-09-13T23:16:54 < jadew> can't wait to replace all my HDDs
2016-09-13T23:27:13 < Steffanx> :)
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2016-09-13T23:56:47 < Thorn> assume I have a stm32 board which  I want to clock from a signal generator, from 0 to 25MHz. how do I connect the gen to the board?
2016-09-13T23:56:51 < Thorn> can I just remove the xtal and solder the end of the coax to osc_in and gnd?
2016-09-13T23:57:36 < Simon--> clock bumping? :)
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2016-09-13T23:58:58 < ddrown> Thorn: look into HSE bypass
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2016-09-14T00:00:54 < Thorn> one question is, do I need a 50 ohm resistor there?
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2016-09-14T00:01:21 < Thorn> the gen is a 50 ohm source
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2016-09-14T00:11:28 < jadew> Thorn, depends on the frequency and the length of the cable
2016-09-14T00:13:23 < jadew> Thorn, so how long is the coax and what frequency are you feeding in?
2016-09-14T00:13:43 < Thorn> up to 25MHz, ~1m (standard bench setup)
2016-09-14T00:14:07 < jadew> coax?
2016-09-14T00:14:48 < kakimir> at which power rating you think it's appropriate to add PFC to transformer supply
2016-09-14T00:14:50 < kakimir> ?
2016-09-14T00:15:13 < Thorn> yes, coax, rg-58
2016-09-14T00:15:43 < jadew> should be fine
2016-09-14T00:15:56 < Thorn> without the resistor?
2016-09-14T00:15:59 < jadew> this is one situation where you might be better off without using a coax :)
2016-09-14T00:16:03 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-14T00:16:45 < Thorn> why is coax a bad idea?
2016-09-14T00:17:13 < jadew> it's not a bad idea, but at 25 MHz on non-coax cable you would pick up some noise
2016-09-14T00:17:22 < jadew> while with the unterminated coax, you'll get reflections
2016-09-14T00:17:34 < jadew> the better the coax, the higher the amplitude of the reflections :)
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2016-09-14T00:18:20 < jadew> but at 25 MHz it won't be visible over 1 meter
2016-09-14T00:18:48 < jadew> not too visible
2016-09-14T00:20:35 < jadew> just make sure you set your sig gen to calculate the amplitude for infintie impedance, not for 50 Ohm
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2016-09-14T00:23:13 < kakimir> do you know any nice little transformer that is widelly available and is pretty inexpensive?
2016-09-14T00:23:14 < Thorn> there is distortion at 15-20MHz here but the lower tract is from the middle of the cable if I understand correctly https://youtu.be/g_jxh0Qe_FY?t=8m20s
2016-09-14T00:23:28 < Thorn> *trace
2016-09-14T00:23:31 < kakimir> 230 -> something around 5-10volts
2016-09-14T00:24:37 < kakimir> http://catalog.triadmagnetics.com/Asset/FS10-250-C2.pdf this was like what I filtered and sorted lowest first out of mouser
2016-09-14T00:24:55 < kakimir> and it was like 4,37eurVat0%
2016-09-14T00:26:27 < kakimir> maybe it's okay
2016-09-14T00:26:59 < jadew> Thorn, that must be a longer piece of cable
2016-09-14T00:27:05 < kakimir> It's beefy for it's power rating when it comes to commercial ac/dc supplies
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2016-09-14T00:53:24 < Thorn> are generator outputs floating/isolated? is it safe to connect output ground to wherever I want?
2016-09-14T00:55:20 < kakimir> :p what
2016-09-14T00:56:39 < kakimir> oh function generator.. why wouldn't it be connected to supply(-) or mains ground pin?
2016-09-14T00:58:59 < kakimir> I think it's the case by default in all appliances
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2016-09-14T01:32:42 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/KUNMpL.jpg
2016-09-14T01:33:39 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5_9f-4Koivc
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2016-09-14T01:49:52 < emeb> w00t - my intersil stock is now worth about 50% more than it was a month ago.
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2016-09-14T02:27:45 < emeb> and apparently renesas is going to cash me out. Not complaining. I've had that stock since I worked at Intersil 15 yrs ago.
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2016-09-14T02:30:49 < Rob235> blah... wind is a tougher opponent than I anticipated... https://youtu.be/c84rBOniYnQ
2016-09-14T02:38:34 < Rob235> ugh, still working on autotune and sd card reader came in today for data logging
2016-09-14T02:40:26 < Rob235> gotz ta speed up
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2016-09-14T02:55:18 < stvn> have you ever http://i.imgur.com/sCAjoRX.jpg
2016-09-14T02:56:49 < Fleck> looks like some kind of AMP
2016-09-14T02:59:29 < stvn> indeed
2016-09-14T03:00:38 < stvn> i'm curious about that silkscreen 'china perfect'
2016-09-14T03:01:07 < Laurenceb__> microbes from space
2016-09-14T03:01:28 < stvn> sup /b/
2016-09-14T03:02:30 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lsaAI_L8A1g#t=4312
2016-09-14T03:03:07 < stvn> fair call
2016-09-14T03:03:37  * Laurenceb__ makes an appearance at 1:23:04
2016-09-14T03:05:03 < Laurenceb__> also, in shocking developments you can hear a grrl who came from irc
2016-09-14T03:05:17 < Laurenceb__> a likely world first
2016-09-14T03:05:56 < stvn> there are a few grills on irc
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2016-09-14T03:09:51 < Laurenceb__> a likely story
2016-09-14T03:11:26 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-14T03:11:46 < stvn> i'm gonna livestream myself blowing my brains out i'm really that bored
2016-09-14T03:12:10 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-09-14T03:12:15 < Laurenceb__> shoot up a school?
2016-09-14T03:12:21 < Laurenceb__> like Adam Lanza
2016-09-14T03:12:25 < stvn> nah 
2016-09-14T03:12:28 < stvn> none of that 
2016-09-14T03:12:43 < Laurenceb__> ooh I know
2016-09-14T03:12:55 < stvn> his autism was OP
2016-09-14T03:12:55 < Laurenceb__> FreeBSDgrrl was a confirmed grrl on irc
2016-09-14T03:13:03 < stvn> so i have to fix this piece of shit amp
2016-09-14T03:13:21 < stvn> some fucking clown put a capacitor in series with the HF output.... for what reason... fucked if i really know
2016-09-14T03:13:48 < stvn> cause there is no DC offset
2016-09-14T03:13:55 < Laurenceb__> https://i.embed.ly/1/display/resize?key=1e6a1a1efdb011df84894040444cdc60&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FCGN-3mlWcAA-jUs.jpg
2016-09-14T03:14:00 < Laurenceb__> ^typical grrrl from irc
2016-09-14T03:14:35 < stvn> damn they've gotten big
2016-09-14T03:15:04 < Laurenceb__> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/5/5b/Sektieblackdong.jpg/180px-Sektieblackdong.jpg
2016-09-14T03:15:19 < stvn> lol
2016-09-14T03:15:28 < Laurenceb__> was almost hot before going SJW
2016-09-14T03:15:31 < stvn> what a dim sim
2016-09-14T03:18:20 < Laurenceb__> til that RooshV runs a script to autogenerate bazillions of fake female profiles on Okcupid
2016-09-14T03:18:37 < Laurenceb__> you have to visit his forum to find out which ones are real
2016-09-14T03:18:54 < Laurenceb__> supreme trolling
2016-09-14T03:21:18 < Laurenceb__> that guy is like asshole^2
2016-09-14T03:22:28 < stvn> the fuck are all these clowns you're banging on about?
2016-09-14T03:24:55 < Laurenceb__>  Bang Estonia, Don't Bang Latvia, and Bang Lithuania 
2016-09-14T03:25:10 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-14T03:25:12 < Laurenceb__> lul strangely specific
2016-09-14T03:25:20 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-14T03:25:29 < stvn> so today's activity
2016-09-14T03:28:00 < Laurenceb__> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/d11d1b12012fb17f26fc44d629157d15b29823b0dcedcb951a2fc0dd4bf48a98.jpg
2016-09-14T03:28:17 < Laurenceb__> found your desk
2016-09-14T03:30:00 < stvn> yeah if only
2016-09-14T03:31:20 < Laurenceb__> top bantz
2016-09-14T03:31:26  * LeelooMinai unpacks M1K from the package 
2016-09-14T03:31:43 < LeelooMinai> What a cute little board:)
2016-09-14T03:32:10 < upgrdman> wtf. usb protocol has crc or checksums, right? was getting glitches on my FTDI UART. swapped mini-usb cables, now most (but not all) glitches are gone
2016-09-14T03:32:36 < LeelooMinai> I like how they put acrylic on top and bottom and gave it big rubber feet - I wish all dev boards were sold like that.
2016-09-14T03:33:35 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: And how is that strange? You underestimate how some cheap USB cables crappy are...
2016-09-14T03:33:56 < LeelooMinai> I threw quite of few of them out so they don't troll me again:/
2016-09-14T03:34:00 < upgrdman> ya
2016-09-14T03:34:22 < upgrdman> but wouldnt usb crc catch most or flag poor "RSSI" or equiv for usb?
2016-09-14T03:34:58 < LeelooMinai> Well, maybe the key is "most"
2016-09-14T03:36:07 < LeelooMinai> The cheapest cables don't even have copper in them... I think they are made from alu or something - they are unsolderable.
2016-09-14T03:36:52 < syke> well CAT6 cables are crimped also
2016-09-14T03:36:55 < LeelooMinai> They probably just die after a number of bends
2016-09-14T03:37:06 < Laurenceb__> attn stvn: https://media.8ch.net/file_store/c2947b0662af1ad9a169ae92d68d69b0984b6b2d6efcc2620ba8e90e577ff8d0.jpg
2016-09-14T03:37:39  * LeelooMinai looks strangely at Laurenceb__
2016-09-14T03:37:53 < LeelooMinai> I need some Laurenceb__ decoder I think:)
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2016-09-14T03:40:52 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/Laurenceb.txt
2016-09-14T03:40:58 < LeelooMinai> I guess that's also why many dev boards (this one I just got too,) have their own usb cables, with filtering ferrite, etc. - so one does not use some crappy cable and then blame the board and whines on forums about it.
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2016-09-14T04:04:16 < stvn> nice work Laurenceb__ 
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2016-09-14T04:23:02 < Laurenceb__> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40959.msg1583238#msg1583238
2016-09-14T04:25:50 < stvn> nice
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2016-09-14T04:59:59 < Thorn> soviet DSO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyUU92tpWOo
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2016-09-14T06:12:00 < stvn> ah yeah
2016-09-14T06:13:20 < dongs> fucking kikenode
2016-09-14T06:21:25 < dongs> i cant chat on ##electroncis for some reaosn
2016-09-14T06:21:30 < dongs> and i dont see my name in banlist.
2016-09-14T06:22:54 < dongs> yes
2016-09-14T06:22:56 < dongs> but i cant chat
2016-09-14T06:23:02 < dongs> ive been idling there for months yes
2016-09-14T06:23:41 < dongs> ..
2016-09-14T06:23:44 < dongs> are you new to irc
2016-09-14T06:25:09 < dongs> then why yo dont know about +s channels
2016-09-14T06:25:20 < dongs> if its +s you cant see in /whois unless you're also in same channel
2016-09-14T06:26:14 < dongs> hm not on +Q list either
2016-09-14T06:26:17 < dongs> ok i hae no fucking idea
2016-09-14T06:26:28 < dongs> i did
2016-09-14T06:29:31 < dongs> same shit
2016-09-14T06:29:38 < dongs> ##electronics Cannot send to channel
2016-09-14T06:31:50 < dongs> no its not
2016-09-14T06:32:43 < dongs> yeah in feenode ##help
2016-09-14T06:32:49 < dongs> apparently i need to register/identify to caht there now
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2016-09-14T06:36:30 < emeb_mac> too much riff-raff
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2016-09-14T06:46:21 < dongs> ##stm32-without-jews
2016-09-14T06:54:20 < LeelooMinai> Anyone knows some analog waveform viewer that does not suck and can import simple .csv file?
2016-09-14T06:54:29 < dongs> R2COM was writing one
2016-09-14T06:54:33 < dongs> also: excel?
2016-09-14T06:55:24 < LeelooMinai> I Have LibreOffice, but the data is 25MB and it died trying to load it:p
2016-09-14T06:55:33 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2016-09-14T06:55:44 < LeelooMinai> Right, I am sorry to
2016-09-14T06:56:23 < stvn> where can i find this anti semitic stm32 channel
2016-09-14T06:56:55 < LeelooMinai> A, I don't mean to just display it - I mean some software that would allow zooming, cursors, measurements, calculations like averages, areas under the curves, etc.
2016-09-14T06:58:36 < LeelooMinai> That seems like some library - I meant something interactive, where I can play with the loaded data in some GUI.
2016-09-14T06:59:04 < LeelooMinai> ...
2016-09-14T06:59:48 < LeelooMinai> lol 
2016-09-14T07:01:16 < LeelooMinai> You missed the "interactiver" part.
2016-09-14T07:01:56 < upgrdman> is there any sort of magic data structure that stores a stream of data coming in and can be read by one thread while another thread is writing to it as well? (lockless concurrency or whatever the buzzword is)
2016-09-14T07:02:28 < LeelooMinai> Concurrent queue maybe.
2016-09-14T07:03:06 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: That's ridiculous though - I don't want to code buttons every time I want to do something:p
2016-09-14T07:05:06 < LeelooMinai> Is it free?
2016-09-14T07:05:36 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if it will explode if I give it 25MB csv
2016-09-14T07:05:55 < LeelooMinai> Only one way to find out I guess
2016-09-14T07:08:28 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, loaded that file in 3 seconds...
2016-09-14T07:10:52 < LeelooMinai> Right... a bit of a fail
2016-09-14T07:11:36 < LeelooMinai> Hmm 10s at 100k sps so I guess 1 million
2016-09-14T07:12:04 < LeelooMinai> What, that's not that much
2016-09-14T07:12:26 < LeelooMinai> Sad
2016-09-14T07:13:30 < LeelooMinai> Don't scientists etc. need to deal with some large data sets? It's lame that there's no open source or something software that could view simple waveforms.
2016-09-14T07:14:12 < LeelooMinai> Pff
2016-09-14T07:14:56 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, there's gtkwave I guess, but it may be lame at analog waves.
2016-09-14T07:17:17 < upgrdman> R2COM, re: plotter. im actually working on my own charting tool right now
2016-09-14T07:17:42 < upgrdman> im at the point where without gpu, i can do 300,000 point line graphs at 4k60
2016-09-14T07:18:06 < upgrdman> and thats with a big bottleneck that i can solve fairly easily
2016-09-14T07:18:17 < upgrdman> mainly wasting time on locking
2016-09-14T07:18:39 < upgrdman> R2COM, as for why, plotting telemetry data from xray generator
2016-09-14T07:18:42 < upgrdman> live
2016-09-14T07:19:01 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman needs to plot the database of his tasteless urls:p
2016-09-14T07:19:35 < upgrdman> medical, industrial and security
2016-09-14T07:20:44 < upgrdman> so it can shrink back up instead of walking around wiht a permaboner
2016-09-14T07:21:01 < upgrdman> imaging giving your mom a hug and she could feel a boner
2016-09-14T07:21:11 < dongs> so this is workshit?
2016-09-14T07:21:12 < dongs> in JAVA?
2016-09-14T07:21:17 < upgrdman> yes
2016-09-14T07:21:20 < upgrdman> work and play
2016-09-14T07:21:36 < upgrdman> work didnt need it live, but for play, i wanted it live at 4k
2016-09-14T07:21:56 < upgrdman> so i spend like 30% dev'ing it at work, but mostly dev'ing it at home
2016-09-14T07:22:24 < dongs> GNU more like NOOOOOOOOOOO
2016-09-14T07:22:52 < upgrdman> dongs, java isnt too bad, well except for swing. swing sucks
2016-09-14T07:23:26 < upgrdman> but i got an opengl lib working in java, and i wrote a simple demo that is vsynch'd for perfect scrolling, etc.
2016-09-14T07:28:16 < upgrdman> R2COM, the chart libs you dicked with, what kind of performance were you getting? x points at what resolution?
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2016-09-14T07:30:36 < Rob235> someone find a good place that I can fly
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2016-09-14T07:31:37 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: The Eyrie
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2016-09-14T07:31:57 < upgrdman> R2COM, so 1Mpoints at 4k60... with or without gpu?
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2016-09-14T07:32:20 < upgrdman> prypat or however the fucks thats spelled
2016-09-14T07:32:32 < upgrdman> k
2016-09-14T07:36:58 < upgrdman> k
2016-09-14T07:40:36 < upgrdman> lol. natural gas company sent out another flyer. they made a smartphone app about pipeline awareness. covers history, phone numbers to call, recognize leaks, etc. lol WHY A FUCKING APP.
2016-09-14T07:40:57 < dongs> aandrew: did you fuck with SIM808 shit wiht 3.3V i/O do you need to fucking levelshift it cuz trash runs at 2.8 or just not care>
2016-09-14T07:46:02 < jpa-> just run everything at 2.8V :P
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2016-09-14T07:50:08 < dongs> theresa  bunch of other garbage on the board im not so sure its gonna all run at 2.8 and not gonna try to find out
2016-09-14T07:50:50 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Academic-Writing/Remove-the-Plagiarism-pages-technical/
2016-09-14T07:51:45 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Android/Android-Wear-hardware-Software/ ha ha @ budget fucking fuck lol
2016-09-14T07:54:44 < stvn> kikelancer.
2016-09-14T07:56:28 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/project-11510220/
2016-09-14T07:56:32 < dongs> job for R2PRO
2016-09-14T07:56:39 < stvn> it must be a major grind having to trawl through that site
2016-09-14T08:03:48 < stvn> i'd seppuku
2016-09-14T08:07:39 < Rob235> I don't get it.  why is dongs a different color?
2016-09-14T08:08:40 < stvn> what
2016-09-14T08:09:25 < Rob235> my irc client assigns users colors and I've never seen someone just change color before
2016-09-14T08:09:38 < dongs> haha
2016-09-14T08:09:45 < Rob235> something must be new
2016-09-14T08:09:47 < dongs> Rob235: i was in as "dongs_" because feenode is dumb
2016-09-14T08:09:47 < upgrdman> maybe different ip
2016-09-14T08:10:05 < dongs> what color do i have now
2016-09-14T08:10:06 < dongs> i hope its hot pink
2016-09-14T08:10:30 < Rob235> oh so when you changed back your default color is now this horrible orange that is too close for my liking to my red
2016-09-14T08:11:21 < Rob235> :)
2016-09-14T08:11:30 < dongs> i didnt change it
2016-09-14T08:11:35 < dongs> feenode did
2016-09-14T08:12:13 < Rob235> to be honest I'm not even sure what color you were, it just stood out to me as so different.  I think you were green?
2016-09-14T08:13:57 < Rob235> anyway... bed time, must get PID autotune done tomorrow
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2016-09-14T08:14:58 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/AKv3y4X
2016-09-14T08:15:11 < Rob235> thats my next planned flying area
2016-09-14T08:15:39 < upgrdman> is that lake filled with your reserves of ecig juice?
2016-09-14T08:16:04 < upgrdman> need so much juice you have to store it in a man made lake open to elements
2016-09-14T08:16:06 < Rob235> not yet, I haven't contammed it yet
2016-09-14T08:16:40 < Rob235> if I enjoy the flying spot that does sound like a good idea...
2016-09-14T08:18:48 < stvn> i want to blow my head off with a shotgun
2016-09-14T08:18:58 < Rob235> you and upgrdman are both hot pink
2016-09-14T08:19:28 < Rob235> upgrdman is slightly more purple
2016-09-14T08:19:56 < upgrdman> lol
2016-09-14T08:20:02 < Rob235> haha ok ive had enough, bed time
2016-09-14T08:20:06 < Rob235> later
2016-09-14T08:23:03 < stvn> i think i'm bored of this job
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2016-09-14T11:12:16 < jadew> what does PEPE mean?
2016-09-14T11:12:38 < jadew> Laurenceb?
2016-09-14T11:17:26 < jadew> ok, now I know everything about pepe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgkGewzUq4
2016-09-14T11:21:07 < Steffanx> Sometimes curiousity is a bad thing jadew.
2016-09-14T11:22:45 < kakimir> jadew turns into laurenceb
2016-09-14T11:23:47 < jadew> he posted a link (10 hours ago) about some dude shouting PEPE
2016-09-14T11:24:35 < jadew> it's hard to resist inquiring further
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2016-09-14T13:05:37 < tim3mob> dongs
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2016-09-14T13:53:07 < BrainDamage> re: pepe: https://twitter.com/hradzka/status/775777661436112896
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2016-09-14T14:02:37 < Tectu> https://github.com/gfredericks/quinedb/blob/master/README.md
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2016-09-14T14:31:21 < Laurenceb__> http://archive.is/87k2K
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2016-09-14T15:07:23 < Laurenceb__> http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=140126973&page=1
2016-09-14T15:13:26 < karlp> not funny
2016-09-14T15:19:17 < PeterM> its also like as old as my sisters kid
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2016-09-14T15:35:50 < stvn> They say there's safety in numbers....
2016-09-14T15:35:55 < stvn> Tell that to 6 million jews
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2016-09-14T16:35:26 < stvn> hi Laurenceb 
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2016-09-14T16:38:16 < Laurenceb__> top kek stvn
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2016-09-14T16:39:16 < Laurenceb__> https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9649751&cid=52884309
2016-09-14T16:52:32 < stvn> not bad
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2016-09-14T17:45:40 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM8nPdUzi9Q attn dongs
2016-09-14T17:46:15 < stvn> i think they're all asleep
2016-09-14T17:48:01 < Rob235> mornin'
2016-09-14T17:52:49 < Steffanx> Steeeeeveeeeeen
2016-09-14T17:53:00 < stvn> [:
2016-09-14T17:54:02  * Laurenceb__ is raging at journal submission
2016-09-14T17:54:44 < aandrew> Steffanx: if you listen to the last song (Wind Up Toy) on Alice Cooper's Hey Stoopid album there is like 2 minutes of silence then a really distant quiet sound of a scared child saying "steeeeeevvvveeennnnnn..."
2016-09-14T17:54:52 < aandrew> freaked me the fuck out the first time I heard it
2016-09-14T17:54:54 < Laurenceb__>  "we require author biographies and photographs for all authors"
2016-09-14T17:54:59 < Laurenceb__> like wtf
2016-09-14T17:55:04 < Laurenceb__> thats not happening
2016-09-14T17:55:15 < Fleck> you big baby
2016-09-14T17:56:28 < Steffanx> Have to listen to that when im back home aandrew
2016-09-14T17:56:56 < Steffanx> Haha. Dont forget to mention ##stm32 in that bio.
2016-09-14T17:57:05 < Steffanx> And fav. websites.
2016-09-14T17:57:06 < stvn> ^
2016-09-14T18:02:46 < Laurenceb__> and passport details
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2016-09-14T20:23:30 < BrainDamage> i'd buy a copy to ask you to sign
2016-09-14T20:24:08 < BrainDamage> i might be able to sell it for decent money after the day you'll snap and go spree killing
2016-09-14T20:25:46 < Steffanx> lolz
2016-09-14T20:42:19 < Rob235> herro
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2016-09-14T21:24:07 < Steffanx> Awh. In ##stm32 we are not fully anonymous. So who?
2016-09-14T21:24:56 < Steffanx> Eu?
2016-09-14T21:24:59 < Steffanx> Us?
2016-09-14T21:25:13 < Steffanx> :(
2016-09-14T21:25:24 < Steffanx> No stroopwafels for you.
2016-09-14T21:26:26 < aandrew> a remake of kohctpyktop: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/09/13/spacechem-tis-100-dev-announces-shenzen-io/
2016-09-14T21:27:15 < Steffanx> Yes?
2016-09-14T21:27:47 < Steffanx> Only because i failed to dox you in 15 min
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2016-09-14T21:36:15 < Tectu> not sure whether I already dumped this here...
2016-09-14T21:36:15 < Tectu> https://github.com/gfredericks/quinedb/blob/master/README.md
2016-09-14T21:37:04 < Steffanx> yes yuo did mr Tectu
2016-09-14T21:37:15 < Tectu> aww :/
2016-09-14T21:37:15 < Steffanx> [13:02:36] <Tectu> https://github.com/gfredericks/quinedb/blob/master/README.md
2016-09-14T21:39:28 < kakimir> I just realized how I ping timeout in irc
2016-09-14T21:39:46 < kakimir> I play kicad and ctrl-s reflex
2016-09-14T21:40:33 < kakimir> so I apply it in IRC without noticing it
2016-09-14T21:40:42 < Tectu> > A woman goes to a back alley abortion clinic, only to have her aborted fetus attack her, her boyfriend, and everyone else at the clinic.
2016-09-14T21:40:47 < Tectu> err.... wrong window
2016-09-14T21:41:04 < kakimir> no it isn't?
2016-09-14T21:41:12 < Steffanx> Yes it si
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2016-09-14T22:56:29 < upgrdman> if i bit bang i2c, it works perfect. if i use the periph (in lpc1768) i always get a NACK when i send the slave address. oscope shows the nack bit at 1/2 VDD. any ideas?
2016-09-14T23:00:47 < sync> maybe suckballs i2c perihperal like in the stms?
2016-09-14T23:01:09 < upgrdman> maybe but i dont see  much bitching about it online
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2016-09-14T23:12:27 < Rob235> is there a way in eclipse based IDEs to split the code window somehow? so that you can view two different areas of the same file at once in split screen?
2016-09-14T23:16:15 < Steffanx> Yes.
2016-09-14T23:16:30 < Steffanx> I believe so:P
2016-09-14T23:17:05 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qqDlKVYy0E
2016-09-14T23:18:07 < Steffanx> Window - editor - clone rob235. 
2016-09-14T23:18:11 < Laurenceb__> http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/265/192/03f.png
2016-09-14T23:18:15 < Steffanx> And then move the new tab
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2016-09-14T23:21:05 < Rob235> ahh
2016-09-14T23:21:53 < Rob235> I don't see a clone
2016-09-14T23:21:59 < Rob235> but I see how you split the editor
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2016-09-14T23:23:44 < Steffanx> in mars 2 its there.
2016-09-14T23:24:49 < Steffanx> i guess your eclipse based ide is based on eclipse very ancient.
2016-09-14T23:29:00 < Rob235> most likely
2016-09-14T23:44:53 < upgrdman> so am i loosing my fucking mind. i2c bit bang works but using periph doesnt. waveforms look identical except periph has no data hold time after clock falling edge. http://farrellf.com/temp/i2c_lcd_problem.jpg
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2016-09-14T23:47:20 < kakimir> interesting
2016-09-14T23:48:15 < upgrdman> OH WHAT THE FUCK!
2016-09-14T23:48:20 < upgrdman> god damn errata
2016-09-14T23:48:31 < upgrdman> Open drain mode can be selected for every standard general purpose port pin only when
2016-09-14T23:48:31 < upgrdman> configured as a GPIO function.
2016-09-14T23:48:31 < upgrdman> Work-around:
2016-09-14T23:48:31 < upgrdman> None.
2016-09-14T23:48:38 < upgrdman> NXP FUCKING UP OPEN DRAIN MODE
2016-09-14T23:48:59 < upgrdman> cant use open drain mode when using the pin with a periph
2016-09-14T23:49:14 < kakimir> ruined
2016-09-14T23:49:15 < upgrdman> HOW THE FUCK DO THEY FUCK UP THAT BAD
2016-09-14T23:49:26 < kakimir> but
2016-09-14T23:49:33 < kakimir> isn't i2c pins open drain only?
2016-09-14T23:49:38 < upgrdman> only for i2c0
2016-09-14T23:49:40 < upgrdman> not i2c1
2016-09-14T23:49:47 < upgrdman> FUCK ME
2016-09-14T23:49:49 < kakimir> it's actually useless?
2016-09-14T23:49:57 < kakimir> i2c1
2016-09-14T23:50:13 < upgrdman> ya, unless you add your own open-drain buffer or someshit
2016-09-14T23:50:28 < kakimir> it wouldn't work with periph
2016-09-14T23:50:38 < kakimir> or would it?
2016-09-14T23:50:57 < kakimir> why not just diode
2016-09-14T23:51:22 < upgrdman> well how can it "read" the nack
2016-09-14T23:52:11 < kakimir> is the bug even fixed later on?
2016-09-14T23:53:24 < kakimir> you can not just fix thing like that
2016-09-14T23:53:27 < upgrdman> they dont list any revisions, so im guessing not
2016-09-14T23:53:36 < kakimir> without butting some fix switch to it
2016-09-14T23:54:41 < upgrdman> and my lpc1768 looks to have a date code of "1626" so July 2016
2016-09-14T23:56:37 < kakimir> you still wonder why lpc176x is dirt cheap?
2016-09-14T23:56:47 < kakimir> it's a mess
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2016-09-14T23:57:02 < Rob235> upgrdman: you ever find a revision history? I'm not sure what date mine is
2016-09-14T23:57:18 < kakimir> I think it's the cheapest thing to have ethernets in it
2016-09-14T23:57:32 < upgrdman> didnt bothing looking. my chip is from 2016, its not some old stock
2016-09-14T23:58:03 < upgrdman> kakimir, i never wondering. the nxp periphs are total fucking aids
2016-09-14T23:58:40 < Rob235> wheres the date code
2016-09-14T23:58:48 < Rob235> I'm just curious at this point
2016-09-14T23:58:48 < kakimir> Rob235: in da chip
2016-09-14T23:58:58 < kakimir> package
2016-09-14T23:59:15 < Rob235> oh, not printed on it?
2016-09-14T23:59:21 < upgrdman> its laser etched on it
2016-09-14T23:59:22 < kakimir> upgrdman: do not generalize
2016-09-14T23:59:25 < Rob235> oh
2016-09-14T23:59:37 < kakimir> they have done sweet stuff lately
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2016-09-15T00:00:03 < upgrdman> kakimir, fuck if i care. the lpc1768 is total fucking aids
2016-09-15T00:00:54 < kakimir> weren't you strugglin with it like.. year back already?
2016-09-15T00:01:06 < upgrdman> long term project, yes
2016-09-15T00:01:14 < upgrdman> but im not constantly working on it
2016-09-15T00:01:15 < Rob235> how does "1626" equal July 2016
2016-09-15T00:01:31 < upgrdman> 2016, 26th week
2016-09-15T00:01:34 < upgrdman> yyww
2016-09-15T00:01:40 < Rob235> ahh
2016-09-15T00:01:41 < Rob235> 1412
2016-09-15T00:02:01 < Rob235> ZSD1412A   if thats the number you are referring to
2016-09-15T00:02:02 < kakimir> is there some rom etched date codes or so?
2016-09-15T00:02:14 < Rob235> if not, I give up
2016-09-15T00:02:24 < kakimir> upgrdman: what is it?
2016-09-15T00:02:57 < upgrdman> kakimir, part of an xray generator control system
2016-09-15T00:03:04 < Rob235> back to working on PID autotune
2016-09-15T00:03:20 < kakimir> what are you tuning Rob235 ?
2016-09-15T00:03:32 < kakimir> so much innovation here
2016-09-15T00:04:00 < Rob235> the flight controller, I'm writing some code to find good (hopefully) PID gain values
2016-09-15T00:06:38 < Rob235> hopefully will be done tomorrow in time to test it
2016-09-15T00:06:49 < Rob235> with my luck I'll still be working on it in a week though
2016-09-15T00:08:12 < kakimir> tomorrow.. really?
2016-09-15T00:08:24 < Rob235> hope so, theres not all that much to it
2016-09-15T00:08:35 < Rob235> been working on it for a couple days no
2016-09-15T00:08:37 < Rob235> w
2016-09-15T00:09:18 < kakimir> okay
2016-09-15T00:09:57 < Rob235> or maybe I'm just a genius :)
2016-09-15T00:12:05 < kakimir> there is a small percentage of absolute code geniuses
2016-09-15T00:12:37 < Rob235> I'm definitely not one of them
2016-09-15T00:12:59 < kakimir> I think it's in a class of mythical beings
2016-09-15T00:13:12 < Rob235> I would be a much better coder if I had a better memory
2016-09-15T00:13:25 < kakimir> sure
2016-09-15T00:13:38 < Rob235> I unfortunately inherited my mothers memory
2016-09-15T00:14:54 < kakimir> by memmory do you mean long or short term?
2016-09-15T00:14:58 < kakimir> memory*
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2016-09-15T00:15:50 < Rob235> I guess both
2016-09-15T00:16:09 < Rob235> mainly longterm I believe
2016-09-15T00:17:10 < Rob235> if I'm working on something for a while then I can remember what i need to fine, but if I take a month off and go back its like I almost have to relearn how to code :P
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2016-09-15T00:20:25 < kakimir> I think that iterations eventyally make you relearn faster and faster
2016-09-15T00:21:16 < Rob235> yea, I do pick things up quickly (I think), even things I haven't done before I think I pick up fairly quick
2016-09-15T00:21:35 < Rob235> fairly quick/fairly quickly? 
2016-09-15T00:21:37 < Rob235> :P
2016-09-15T00:23:03 < Laurenceb__> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=41119.0
2016-09-15T00:24:33 < kakimir> Elon-Fuelled
2016-09-15T00:25:18 < Rob235> any plausible answers pop up yet?
2016-09-15T00:27:35 < jadew> I think developers learn how to forget
2016-09-15T00:27:56 < jadew> like... large amounts of information
2016-09-15T00:28:00 < Thorn> http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans
2016-09-15T00:28:29 < jadew> haha, nice title
2016-09-15T00:29:28 < jadew> now I feel like watching a movie about science that happens on a college campus
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2016-09-15T00:33:13 < kakimir> I'm watching hollow earth ufu nazi stuff
2016-09-15T00:33:49 < jadew> why?
2016-09-15T00:35:24 < kakimir> to wonder
2016-09-15T00:38:24 < jadew> http://www.csm.ornl.gov/~frome/dilbert.html
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2016-09-15T00:49:46 < Laurenceb__> an ocean inside the earth
2016-09-15T00:50:16 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_gaia/gaia60_01.jpg
2016-09-15T00:53:32 < kakimir> what lives inside?
2016-09-15T00:56:46 < kakimir> does physics confirm this Laurenceb__?
2016-09-15T00:56:59 < Laurenceb__> yes
2016-09-15T00:58:04 < kakimir> density and stuff like that?
2016-09-15T00:58:22 < kakimir> so moon must be even more hollow if earth is hollow!
2016-09-15T01:02:10 < kakimir> http://mysterioushollowearth.webs.com/9ea0olei.jpg it's true.. how haven't anybody noticed this!
2016-09-15T01:02:23 < kakimir> there is a hole
2016-09-15T01:07:26 < Laurenceb__> thats where the daily saucer flight to venus departs from
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2016-09-15T02:33:15 < upgrdman> anyone does rs485 with one of thise ftdi usb adapters? does the ftdi know to tristate the TX pins when not transmitting? and is it used just like a normal COM port?
2016-09-15T02:37:16 < zyp> wat? tristate?
2016-09-15T02:37:45 < zyp> that's not how any of the rs485 transceivers I've seen works
2016-09-15T02:37:50 < stvn> same.
2016-09-15T02:38:01 < stvn> i am rather confuzzle
2016-09-15T02:38:15 < zyp> they all have dedicated transmitter enable and receiver enable lines
2016-09-15T02:38:39 < zyp> which are usually of opposite polarities so they can be hooked together to make a single direction select line
2016-09-15T02:39:37 < zyp> I don't know ftdi in particular, but I would guess it maybe has a line that can be configured to work as a rs485 transmitter enable
2016-09-15T02:39:41 < stvn> is Steffanx awake?
2016-09-15T02:39:55 < zyp> if not, you might have to emulate it in software
2016-09-15T02:46:46 < stvn> he may need to pursue a recreational methamphetamine habit
2016-09-15T02:47:04 < stvn> how is your cat englishman ?
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2016-09-15T02:48:47 < upgrdman> zyp, ya my transceiver has the tx-enable signal. but the ftdi usb adapters dont seem to. it's just usb and a db9 and a pcb between. im guessing it auto-asserts the tx enable pin when actually transmitting. nto sure. oh well, i'll find out soon enough
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2016-09-15T04:06:54 < stvn> check your 32 bit privilege
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2016-09-15T04:11:46 < LeelooMinai> So what would happen after R:a6: http://i.imgur.com/O7GL6CQ.jpg ?
2016-09-15T04:11:57 < LeelooMinai> Ooops...
2016-09-15T04:12:03 < LeelooMinai> Bad window:/
2016-09-15T04:12:44 < stvn> that's some hardcore chess lingo
2016-09-15T04:13:12 < stvn> i'd learn to play but i keep forgetting where the little guys can move ;)
2016-09-15T04:13:51 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, it helps to know, kind of:p
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2016-09-15T04:24:03 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: you'd get on well with my wife. I can't play chess for shit
2016-09-15T04:24:45 < LeelooMinai> I don't play any more. Sometimes watch some games, but very seldom.
2016-09-15T04:24:54 < aandrew> when we were in cuba a decade ago she was playing chess with some of hte groundskeepers.. everyone therey played chess remarkably well
2016-09-15T04:25:17 < aandrew> she was a bit of an oddity because most of the people visiting cuba are too drunk to play, if they play at all
2016-09-15T04:25:46 < aandrew> and she's the worst of the chess players in her family
2016-09-15T04:26:01 < aandrew> two of her sisters were champions for their country
2016-09-15T04:26:31 < LeelooMinai> They had a good chess player in the past, Capablance, probably popularized chess there. Don't remember, but at some point he could be World Chapion maybe even.
2016-09-15T04:26:59 < LeelooMinai> Right, just checked, he was 1921-1927
2016-09-15T04:27:16 < LeelooMinai> Capablanca*
2016-09-15T04:30:39 < aandrew> I just figured that countries with very little to offer their people offered them chess and education
2016-09-15T04:31:41 < LeelooMinai> Well, in Russia they had chess in a chools like normal subjects, like math.
2016-09-15T04:32:00 < LeelooMinai> Probably not any more, but in the past.
2016-09-15T04:35:15 < aandrew> yes
2016-09-15T04:37:16 < stvn> did brother d sleep in?
2016-09-15T04:38:37 < aandrew> probably passed out on natto
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2016-09-15T04:43:06 < stvn> in my boredom i've prepared something for the landlord of this factory
2016-09-15T05:03:09 < stvn> greetings from australia
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2016-09-15T05:17:14 < stvn> nope
2016-09-15T05:17:19 < stvn> he's in a different state
2016-09-15T05:24:54 < stvn> none
2016-09-15T05:25:07 < stvn> i repaired 2 DJ decks and 1 powered speaker
2016-09-15T05:25:42 < stvn> now i can sit around and get paid for another 5 hours doing nothing
2016-09-15T05:25:52 < stvn> there are states in australia
2016-09-15T05:25:57 < stvn> i am in victoria.
2016-09-15T05:26:02 < stvn> dave is in 'new south wales'
2016-09-15T05:26:14 < stvn> melbourne is in victoria
2016-09-15T05:26:23 < stvn> and peter has a tractor
2016-09-15T05:27:32 < stvn> oooooh
2016-09-15T05:28:54 < stvn> yeah expensive enough
2016-09-15T05:29:02 < stvn> basic house is nearing 400k
2016-09-15T05:29:07 < stvn> living anywhere decent 700k
2016-09-15T05:29:58 < stvn> i plan to take my shekels somewhere nice where the grass is green
2016-09-15T05:29:59 < brianx> third coast houses can be expensive too.
2016-09-15T05:30:32 < stvn> 60 mins away yaeh maybe $360k-400k
2016-09-15T05:30:48 < stvn> getting a little bit closer maybe $600k
2016-09-15T05:31:02 < stvn> getting anywhere close easily climbing to 1million
2016-09-15T05:31:23 < stvn> i haven't really observed anything as i'm not remotely interested in living here permanently
2016-09-15T05:31:25 < brianx> million what though?
2016-09-15T05:31:32 < stvn> no.
2016-09-15T05:31:36 < stvn> full ban on semi auto
2016-09-15T05:31:50 < stvn> think the only pistol you can own is .38 or smaller
2016-09-15T05:32:03 < stvn> think there is a fair bit of paperwork just to get a handgun
2016-09-15T05:32:08 < stvn> and yes, fuck my country.
2016-09-15T05:32:10 < stvn> i want my ar-15
2016-09-15T05:32:32 < stvn> i don't care if it stays at the range
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2016-09-15T05:32:56 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-15T05:32:59 < stvn> anyway
2016-09-15T05:33:07 < stvn> cowboy lol
2016-09-15T05:33:09 < stvn> maybe
2016-09-15T05:33:28 < stvn> anyway back to the pumper repairs
2016-09-15T05:33:37 < stvn> i also fixed a smoke machine, 
2016-09-15T05:33:55 < stvn> 4 screws to open it, reset thermal breaker, reassemble, money please
2016-09-15T05:34:18 < stvn> R2COM good enough
2016-09-15T05:34:56 < stvn> i'll repair anything down to component level if the dogs will provide schematics
2016-09-15T05:35:41 < stvn> how so
2016-09-15T05:35:53 < stvn> i got enough money
2016-09-15T05:36:07 < stvn> honestly i've never been driven to earn 'lots' of money
2016-09-15T05:36:37 < stvn> nah
2016-09-15T05:36:50 < stvn> one of them may have been a porn star, however she had money
2016-09-15T05:37:42 < stvn> speaking of which, somebody wants me to 'take a look' at their tv
2016-09-15T05:38:10 < stvn> i sad 'well, it's a pretty expensive look'
2016-09-15T05:38:19 < stvn> *said
2016-09-15T05:40:31 < stvn> hopefully more soon enough, but simple lighting controllers
2016-09-15T05:40:48 < stvn> just dmx in to my LED drivers etc
2016-09-15T05:41:25 < stvn> yeah it is
2016-09-15T05:41:38 < stvn> i'm only using the stm32 as a big PWM and general housekeeping
2016-09-15T05:41:47 < stvn> i need 16 PWMs
2016-09-15T05:41:58 < stvn> i know
2016-09-15T05:42:02 < stvn> but i don't like em
2016-09-15T05:42:26 < stvn> just prefer the microcontroller approach for this application
2016-09-15T05:42:53 < stvn> and vhdl kinda makes me sick
2016-09-15T05:43:19 < stvn> so a $1 stm32f103 'shit' as you guys call em does fine
2016-09-15T05:43:51 < stvn> you are good HDL pro then
2016-09-15T05:44:43 < stvn> but a lot of competitors products will do exactly that, use a machxo for a massive set of PWMs and buffer
2016-09-15T05:45:02 < stvn> chuck a pissant mcu in there and done
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2016-09-15T05:45:45 < stvn> i remember the fun days a year or two ago, a client of mine wanted me to get their LED driver to pass CISPR15
2016-09-15T05:46:31 < stvn> they pulled out, i designed a solution and used it myself
2016-09-15T05:52:45 < stvn> hah
2016-09-15T05:54:21 < stvn> now what can I do here
2016-09-15T05:59:01 < LeelooMinai> I did some more searching for analog signal viewer and my conclusion is that it's 2016 and there no good free one:/
2016-09-15T06:00:02 < LeelooMinai> Right, and I will find plotters that plot on paper...
2016-09-15T06:00:52 < LeelooMinai> Or something that just plots a graph - I told you yesterday that I want to interact with the eaveform.
2016-09-15T06:02:22 < LeelooMinai> Few years ago I made an ARM trace analyzer/viewer - I used OpenGL to display millions of points and zoom, etc. super-fast.
2016-09-15T06:02:40 < stvn> yeah my days are numbered here
2016-09-15T06:02:46 < stvn> this job is shrinking my brain
2016-09-15T06:03:42 < LeelooMinai> You fix TVs for real? I thought it was some kind of joke:)
2016-09-15T06:04:10 < LeelooMinai> I mean people don't fix TVs any more, do they?
2016-09-15T06:05:39 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but who would actually take TV for repair...
2016-09-15T06:06:05 < LeelooMinai> It's probably cheaper to just buy if not new then some used one.
2016-09-15T06:09:51 < stvn> LeelooMinai: on occasion I fix CRT monitors/tvs for the video game collector fucks
2016-09-15T06:11:02 < stvn> things like this too http://www.gamingobserver.com/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/06fcc_0.jpg
2016-09-15T06:11:44 < LeelooMinai> Or at least buy some FPGA console emulator + LCD:)
2016-09-15T06:11:58 < LeelooMinai> kevtris on #fpga makes some
2016-09-15T06:12:43 < LeelooMinai> Well, I mean if someone is into it already:)
2016-09-15T06:12:48 < stvn> haha
2016-09-15T06:13:04 < stvn> i like my super famicom
2016-09-15T06:13:10 < stvn> but that's all
2016-09-15T06:13:42 < LeelooMinai> I guess I am not very sentimental - I prefer to play with new stuff.
2016-09-15T06:13:55 < stvn> some new stuff is good
2016-09-15T06:14:09 < stvn> my attention span is very limited
2016-09-15T06:14:10 < LeelooMinai> I had Atari 65XE when I was small, but I would not really play Pitfall or Zorro nowadays:)
2016-09-15T06:14:40 < stvn> I played through that 'new' wolfenstein game about 70% in one sitting, never played it again
2016-09-15T06:15:17 < stvn> the new order as it were.
2016-09-15T06:16:50 < stvn> maybe GTA V is my next purchase - drive around like a maniac shooting people, my kind of game.
2016-09-15T06:17:21 < PeterM> GTA V is a lot cheaper than plane tickets to a 3rd world country...
2016-09-15T06:17:27 < stvn> exactly.
2016-09-15T06:17:32 < LeelooMinai> I doubt I will play any game in the future. I am curious about some though - for example, if they ever finish the Star Citizen game:)
2016-09-15T06:17:38 < stvn> next question is gtx1060 or gtx1070
2016-09-15T06:18:36 < PeterM> is star citizen a real game?
2016-09-15T06:18:44 < LeelooMinai> Forgot how much they got from the kickstarter, but it was something crazy, like 10s of millions of $?
2016-09-15T06:19:12 < stvn> kick wut
2016-09-15T06:19:29 < LeelooMinai> O, $123 million apparently.
2016-09-15T06:19:47 < stvn> what
2016-09-15T06:19:48 < stvn> the
2016-09-15T06:19:52 < stvn> fuck/
2016-09-15T06:19:52 < LeelooMinai> That's some pretty scary kickstarter.
2016-09-15T06:20:46 < LeelooMinai> Ok, let's hope then they are not like you.
2016-09-15T06:21:45 < LeelooMinai> Right, and it wold look like old pong
2016-09-15T06:22:25 < stvn> yeah i'd pay $100,000 to some indonesians to make it
2016-09-15T06:22:25 < PeterM> how is old pong different to new pong?
2016-09-15T06:22:26  * LeelooMinai looks in the mirror and thinks "lies"
2016-09-15T06:22:31 < stvn> and spend the rest on drugs
2016-09-15T06:24:07 < stvn> looks like it.
2016-09-15T06:27:42 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: not even TIS-100 or that new one I posted earlier?
2016-09-15T06:27:59 < aandrew> https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/09/13/spacechem-tis-100-dev-announces-shenzen-io/
2016-09-15T06:28:16 < PeterM> http://store.steampowered.com/app/384630/
2016-09-15T06:28:19 < aandrew> just play kohctpyktop if not :-)
2016-09-15T06:29:02 < LeelooMinai> Right, instead I play the game "how to analyze silly analog waveform" right now
2016-09-15T06:29:37 < stvn> rofl 
2016-09-15T06:29:44 < stvn> wtf is that 
2016-09-15T06:31:11 < LeelooMinai> Looks like some British children show that leaves them scarred for life.
2016-09-15T06:33:42 < PeterM> leeloo like "the animals of fathign wood"?
2016-09-15T06:34:42 < PeterM> there was a scene i nhtat kids tv show where mr and mrs hedgehog had to cross a road, but they knew they woulkd be too slow, so they held hands and twalked int otraffic.
2016-09-15T06:36:05 < LeelooMinai> Sounds like a great message for children...
2016-09-15T06:36:22 < stvn> true that
2016-09-15T06:37:49 < LeelooMinai> "Little Julia decided to jump under a car, but then she remember her favourite show and instead grabbed her brother to accompany her"
2016-09-15T06:45:08 < stvn> but where is dong
2016-09-15T06:49:54 < stvn> we need a schedule of the daily bloggers and what time they come on
2016-09-15T06:52:00 < stvn> R2COM: reddit told me russia banned pornhub
2016-09-15T06:53:09 < stvn> nice one
2016-09-15T06:53:30 < stvn> R2COM: tell me of your afterhours projects?
2016-09-15T06:53:39 < stvn> do you donglance?
2016-09-15T06:53:50 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pypyDDPmIQ
2016-09-15T06:59:45 < stvn> mmm
2016-09-15T07:00:44 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/d6ed96e2090f4beebd294055ad181c20?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=ee664c9808dea0047ede2cd551e10d0c
2016-09-15T07:02:00 < stvn> how the fuck does one wear that?
2016-09-15T07:02:31 < upgrdman> like a boss
2016-09-15T07:04:03 < stvn> that makes about as much sense as taking a shit in the oven
2016-09-15T07:05:57 < stvn> sounds pro, can you disclose the application?
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2016-09-15T07:08:01 < stvn> i didn't want to come here today
2016-09-15T07:08:17 < stvn> the owner of this hole would sook and nag all day for me to come in if i dont
2016-09-15T07:11:45 < stvn> i walked out years ago cause i was sick of how dumb these fucks are
2016-09-15T07:11:53 < upgrdman> R2COM, wuts a rf sig proc pcb? SMA to IQ demod to USB?
2016-09-15T07:14:21 < stvn> l8r
2016-09-15T07:15:16 < upgrdman> R2COM, so is it like some LT part on a breakout board?
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2016-09-15T07:17:55 < stvn> tectu is making me buy one
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2016-09-15T07:37:25 < upgrdman> this could be fun to make  http://i.imgur.com/sN1LXtE.gifv
2016-09-15T07:40:42 < stvn> make it smuggle drugs into prisons
2016-09-15T07:44:51 < upgrdman> duly noted
2016-09-15T07:55:43 < stvn> the dirty matsushita
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2016-09-15T08:07:34 < stvn> china is a pig
2016-09-15T08:35:34 < stvn> I blame it on Steffanx 
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2016-09-15T09:04:17 < ReadErr> anyone seen/used a DIN PID controller that can utilize 2 thermocouples ?
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2016-09-15T09:30:51 < kakimir> upgrdman: why does it have disney watermark?
2016-09-15T09:31:50 < upgrdman> disney does a lot of tech r&d and they fund that uni
2016-09-15T09:32:49 < upgrdman> kakimir, more of it here   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X5-L5qlyM
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2016-09-15T09:44:31 < kakimir> I wonder how do I do filtering in spotwelder controller
2016-09-15T09:44:42 < kakimir> mains filtering
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2016-09-15T09:49:45 < jpa-> kakimir: filtering for what purpose?
2016-09-15T09:50:16 < kakimir> I think for the supply of controller
2016-09-15T09:50:54 < jpa-> the welding pulse should be short enough that simple rectifier + cap will have enough energy to smooth it over
2016-09-15T09:51:19 < kakimir> sure
2016-09-15T09:51:52 < kakimir> you know the function principle of machine I want to build?
2016-09-15T09:52:19 < kakimir> using partial half phases of mains sine voltage
2016-09-15T09:52:20 < jpa-> there are plenty of different kinds of spot welders, so no
2016-09-15T09:52:35 < kakimir> multiple little pulses
2016-09-15T09:57:18 < Steffanx> (Worm the game voice) stvn, leave me alone
2016-09-15T09:57:35 < Steffanx> O dear..  Kamikazeeee
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2016-09-15T10:22:04 < jadew> kakimir, I wanted to build one too
2016-09-15T10:22:15 < jadew> I still have a microwave transformer around
2016-09-15T10:23:10 < kakimir> you get a board from me then
2016-09-15T10:23:12 < kakimir> when it's ready
2016-09-15T10:23:19 < jadew> cool
2016-09-15T10:24:50 < jadew> I was also considering one of those chinese ones
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2016-09-15T10:26:50 < jadew> one of these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-in-1-1-9kw-Spot-Welder-Soldering-Staion-709A-Battery-Welding-Machine-220V-Y-/161920832328?hash=item25b33bd348:g:rIgAAOSwNyFWcmIr
2016-09-15T10:27:53 < kakimir> I concider those welding electrodes
2016-09-15T10:28:09 < kakimir> that box is to be in trash bin in 2years
2016-09-15T10:41:47 < kakimir> that thing is pretty minimalistic inside
2016-09-15T10:43:01 < jadew> kakimir, yeah, but it has a nice box and if it fails, you can build something better inside - at least that was my reasoning when I considered it
2016-09-15T10:43:20 < kakimir> sure
2016-09-15T10:43:40 < kakimir> but hey.. it has mandarin on it
2016-09-15T10:43:40 < dongs> nice. F401 running down to 1.8V
2016-09-15T10:43:45 < dongs> resets right below that.
2016-09-15T10:43:46 < kakimir> it's ruined
2016-09-15T10:44:42 < kakimir> unless you paint it black
2016-09-15T10:48:04 < jadew> I don't mind it
2016-09-15T10:48:17 < jadew> we should all learn chinese anyway
2016-09-15T10:48:29 < dongs> oh
2016-09-15T10:48:30 < dongs> jadew: i ahve that
2016-09-15T10:48:36 < dongs> like literally that
2016-09-15T10:48:39 < jadew> really? is it any good?
2016-09-15T10:48:42 < dongs> yea, works fine
2016-09-15T10:48:48 < dongs> using to spotweld battery terminals
2016-09-15T10:48:50 < dongs> for lipo cells
2016-09-15T10:49:08 < jadew> do you think you could spotweld 0.1 nickel sheets together?
2016-09-15T10:49:20 < jadew> 0.1mm
2016-09-15T10:49:24 < dongs> well, if you can find me some 0.1mm nickel sheets...
2016-09-15T10:49:27 < dongs> i can try and video oit
2016-09-15T10:49:27 < dongs> lol
2016-09-15T10:50:12 < dongs> but those chinks picture shows them ghettoing together vaper packs
2016-09-15T10:50:19 < dongs> surely that stuff is >= 0.1mm?
2016-09-15T10:50:23 < jadew> in fact, what I'd like to spot weld is nickel to copper, which I think is more tricky
2016-09-15T10:52:34 < jadew> yeah, I think most nickel strips used for battery packs are ~0.15mm
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2016-09-15T10:55:05 < zyp> why nickel to copper? wouldn't a solder joint be better in that case?
2016-09-15T10:55:20 < jadew> zyp, it's not as fast
2016-09-15T10:56:16 < zyp> fast being important to save time or to save heat exposure to the cells?
2016-09-15T10:56:28 < jadew> time
2016-09-15T10:56:33 < zyp> okay
2016-09-15T10:56:39 < zyp> can't argue against that
2016-09-15T10:56:53 < zyp> why copper anyway?
2016-09-15T10:57:31 < jadew> copper sheets seem to be cheaper
2016-09-15T10:57:43 < jadew> the idea was to make my own shielding cans
2016-09-15T10:57:43 < dongs> wtf i must be stoned or something
2016-09-15T10:57:49 < dongs> how many systick ticks for 10 seconds
2016-09-15T10:57:50 < dongs> 10k right?
2016-09-15T10:57:54 < dongs> (1khz systick)
2016-09-15T10:58:00 < zyp> yep
2016-09-15T10:58:01 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-15T10:58:02 < dongs> ...
2016-09-15T10:58:04 < dongs> wtf
2016-09-15T10:58:14 < dongs> its doing more like 0.1seconds
2016-09-15T10:58:52 < zyp> sure you're not overflowing somewhere?
2016-09-15T10:59:16 < zyp> well, unless your sleep func takes an 8-bit int, you shouldn't
2016-09-15T10:59:56 < dongs> ya no
2016-09-15T11:00:04 < dongs> it was uint16, made int, same shit, but obviosuly at 10k it sh ouldnt have been
2016-09-15T11:00:33 < dongs> oh......
2016-09-15T11:00:36 < dongs> good one
2016-09-15T11:00:49 < dongs> i never actually incremented the counter i used to check for intervals
2016-09-15T11:00:57 < zyp> haha
2016-09-15T11:01:12 < dongs> and my shit is like if (fgt % hz == 0) lol
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2016-09-15T11:03:19 < Jak_o_Shadows> I forgot a break earlier today
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2016-09-15T11:51:08 < c10ud^> yp
2016-09-15T11:51:10 < c10ud^> yo
2016-09-15T11:51:26 < c10ud^> want to buy a fpga dev kit
2016-09-15T11:51:30 < c10ud^> xilinx altera or wat
2016-09-15T11:51:42 < dongs> lattice
2016-09-15T11:53:20 < c10ud^> oh
2016-09-15T11:53:56 < Thorn> ##fpga
2016-09-15T11:54:36 < c10ud^> stm bros always know best, but I'll try
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2016-09-15T11:58:20 < Tectu> https://www.corning.com/optical-cables-by-corning/worldwide/en/products/usb-optical-cables.html
2016-09-15T12:00:24 < emeryth> do they provide superior audio quality?
2016-09-15T12:00:30 < Tectu> LOL
2016-09-15T12:01:46 < dongs> oh this is the lightpeak shit that never happened
2016-09-15T12:02:06 < dongs> hm or not
2016-09-15T12:02:10 < dongs> or whatever optical mode of usb3
2016-09-15T12:02:13 < dongs> that also never happened
2016-09-15T12:03:04 < Tectu> this seems to be just a usb <-> optical bridge
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2016-09-15T12:08:04 < Thorn> need SFP modules for usb3
2016-09-15T12:09:46 < Tectu> was looking at those a short while ago when I was thinking about getting 10 Gbps ethernet
2016-09-15T12:23:50 < Tectu> can't find linker symbol for virtual table for `TaskOutput' value
2016-09-15T12:23:50 < Tectu>   found `std::__cmpexch_failure_order(std::memory_order)' instead
2016-09-15T12:23:52 < Tectu> what.
2016-09-15T12:23:54 < Tectu> how?
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2016-09-15T12:48:03 < karlp> so, because no-one liked any data vis/graphing solutions, _three_ seprarate people in this channel _each_ made their own complete solutions, and.... aren't sharing them either.  
2016-09-15T12:48:06  * karlp waits for number 4.
2016-09-15T12:48:44 < dongs> haha
2016-09-15T12:48:54 < dongs> GNU4U
2016-09-15T12:50:22 < Jak_o_Shadows> What is a data/vis solution?
2016-09-15T12:50:34 < Tectu> data visualization / graphing / plotting
2016-09-15T12:50:39 < Jak_o_Shadows> I confess, I normally hack something together with python
2016-09-15T12:51:12 < Tectu> you could have just said "python". The hacking is implied
2016-09-15T12:51:39 < Tectu> </non_serious_statement>
2016-09-15T12:52:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> I really should move to python 3 for the nicer async stuff
2016-09-15T12:53:36 < dongs> or C when you actually want to write something serious
2016-09-15T12:54:15 < Jak_o_Shadows> am totally in C on the stm
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2016-09-15T12:56:55 < Tectu> dongs :D
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2016-09-15T13:01:13 < Tectu> https://hackaday.io/project/14812-toll-free-1888-633-5526zoho-technical-support
2016-09-15T13:01:42 < dongs> zorbo.com technical support
2016-09-15T13:02:16 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hackaday projects is ot my friend
2016-09-15T13:02:32 < dongs> wait, i meant zombo.com
2016-09-15T13:05:34 < dongs> "pointless comparison of unsigned integer with zero"
2016-09-15T13:05:39 < dongs> how is that for compiler warning
2016-09-15T13:07:58 < dongs> ah i see
2016-09-15T13:16:54 < jpa-> heh.. i have some bug that crashes nuttx usb driver after 3 uses.. no memleaks visible
2016-09-15T13:24:20 < Steffanx> You and your love/hate relationship with nuttx
2016-09-15T13:25:15 < jpa-> it's mostly love really
2016-09-15T13:25:33 < jpa-> i've moved the hate to ugfx ;)
2016-09-15T13:26:15 < Tectu> :D
2016-09-15T13:26:27 < Tectu> at least it's just due to the licensing
2016-09-15T13:28:08 < jpa-> uh oh.. it is trying to access endpoint 15.. i'm pretty sure stm32f4 otgfs only comes with 4 endpoints :P
2016-09-15T13:32:43 < ReadErr> anyone know where to get high temp wire sleeving or sleeved resistance wire?
2016-09-15T13:32:51 < ReadErr> i think my search terms suck
2016-09-15T13:32:57 < ReadErr> cuz nothing useful is coming up
2016-09-15T13:36:01 < ReadErr> ceramic/silica/fiberglass
2016-09-15T13:36:19 < jpa-> oven heaters? :P
2016-09-15T13:36:32 < jpa-> the really high-temp sleeves arent usually flexible
2016-09-15T13:38:01 < ReadErr> well, I mostly need insulated resistance wire, not so much the sleeving 
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2016-09-15T13:41:44 < ReadErr> but its harder to find than you would think
2016-09-15T13:41:50 < jpa-> what temperature?
2016-09-15T13:42:34 < ReadErr> ~300-400C(MAX)
2016-09-15T13:43:09 < ReadErr> the sleeve I did find started at 0.25"/6.35mm wire
2016-09-15T13:43:17 < ReadErr> and it was one of those "request a quote" sites
2016-09-15T13:44:44 < jpa-> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10M-Glass-Fiber-High-Temperature-Electrical-Insulation-Tube-Sleeving-FiberGlass-/222076758324
2016-09-15T13:44:45 < Tectu> there's Rob these days?
2016-09-15T13:47:25 < jpa-> ReadErr: ebay also has plenty of insulated resistance wire, though i'm not sure how well enamel would work at 400C
2016-09-15T13:47:26 < ReadErr> wtf I could have sworn that would have fit one of my seaches
2016-09-15T13:47:40 < ReadErr> searches*...
2016-09-15T13:47:54 < wanderman> hey guys
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2016-09-15T13:48:46 < ReadErr> thanks now im getting somewhere
2016-09-15T14:03:07 < kakimir> ReadErr
2016-09-15T14:03:18 < kakimir> bought 10m from ebay
2016-09-15T14:03:26 < kakimir> 500celsius wire
2016-09-15T14:03:34 < kakimir> there is multiple sizes
2016-09-15T14:04:32 < kakimir> there is ones with silicone in them
2016-09-15T14:04:42 < kakimir> those are 200-300celsius
2016-09-15T14:07:17 < kakimir> those ready made are more snuggly fitted than when you buy seperate sleeve and try to dick in some wire
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2016-09-15T14:09:08 < kakimir> are you building an oven ReadErr
2016-09-15T14:09:34 < ReadErr> kakimir: got a link?
2016-09-15T14:09:39 < ReadErr> how many wats/meter
2016-09-15T14:09:44 < ReadErr> is it capable of
2016-09-15T14:11:06 < kakimir> i took the smallest one
2016-09-15T14:11:20 < ReadErr> i have heating tape
2016-09-15T14:11:20 < kakimir> it's for auxiliary circuit
2016-09-15T14:11:37 < ReadErr> but i need wire really
2016-09-15T14:11:54 < kakimir> heating tape?
2016-09-15T14:12:59 < ReadErr> yea basically wire inside a strip
2016-09-15T14:13:03 < ReadErr> its a rip off, very $$
2016-09-15T14:13:07 < ReadErr> not flexible
2016-09-15T14:13:17 < ReadErr> got link to ur wire?
2016-09-15T14:13:22 < kakimir> that glass fiber thing is
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2016-09-15T14:13:32 < ReadErr> oh you got the sleeve
2016-09-15T14:13:37 < ReadErr> i thought you meant wire+sleeve combo
2016-09-15T14:13:38 < kakimir> or you can bend it
2016-09-15T14:13:48 < ReadErr> its flexible
2016-09-15T14:13:49 < ReadErr> 1sec
2016-09-15T14:14:13 < kakimir> I do not have a link
2016-09-15T14:14:17 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/BriskHeat-BIH051020L-XtremeFLEX-Insulated-Heating/dp/B0095ZGL0E/
2016-09-15T14:14:20 < ReadErr> its like that
2016-09-15T14:14:26 < ReadErr> how u no have link??
2016-09-15T14:14:46 < kakimir> cool thing
2016-09-15T14:15:01 < jpa-> zyp: can you see any reason why i'm getting data (ascii text, "OPEN" which is the command transmitted from pc) in STM32F4 OTGFS GRXSTSP register? it seems to me that it should never have anything except data?
2016-09-15T14:15:02 < kakimir> because ebay buy and forget
2016-09-15T14:15:10 < ReadErr> wat
2016-09-15T14:15:14 < ReadErr> ebay saves everything
2016-09-15T14:15:17 < ReadErr> so does gmail
2016-09-15T14:15:39 < kakimir> a sec hun
2016-09-15T14:16:14 < ReadErr> my ebay goes back to 2014 anyways
2016-09-15T14:18:13 < kakimir> Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121745550883
2016-09-15T14:19:06 < kakimir> I dont know if it's any use.. it has 1 solid wire inside
2016-09-15T14:19:39 < ReadErr> copper hmm
2016-09-15T14:19:44 < kakimir> how much temperature you target at?
2016-09-15T14:19:49 < ReadErr> 400C max
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2016-09-15T14:20:31 < ReadErr> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5QwAAMXQaA1R515b/s-l1600.jpg
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2016-09-15T14:22:05 < kakimir> ohh
2016-09-15T14:22:34 < karlp> Laurenceb__: subgig + btle: http://www.edn-europe.com/news/ultra-low-power-dual-band-wireless-microcontrollers-ti?news_id=86059
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2016-09-15T14:23:28 < karlp> heh, demo kit "can connect to the cloud in under three minutes"
2016-09-15T14:24:12 < kakimir> ti cloud
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2016-09-15T14:26:12 < stvn> sample sample
2016-09-15T14:29:38 < stvn> where is tectu
2016-09-15T14:30:04 < Tectu> no
2016-09-15T14:30:44 < stvn> mate
2016-09-15T14:30:51 < stvn> wheres ya twitta
2016-09-15T14:31:20 < Tectu> no idea what you are talking about
2016-09-15T14:31:26 < Tectu> also, this is ##stm32, not ##mate69
2016-09-15T14:31:40 < Tectu> please keep it professional
2016-09-15T14:33:35 < dongs> if you want professional, checkout ##stm32-without-jews
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2016-09-15T14:36:17 < dongs> so what RF do I use if I wanna track IDs of cheap tags in proximity
2016-09-15T14:36:29 < dongs> many tags, maybe ~5 meter range
2016-09-15T14:37:02 < dongs> idiots say use BLE beacon, sounds retarded
2016-09-15T14:37:09 < jpa-> ble beacon sounds reasonable
2016-09-15T14:37:23 < dongs> how so? dont you have to register the becaon shit with apple
2016-09-15T14:37:25 < jpa-> but it will be hard to get accurate range limit, it will be 5-50 meters
2016-09-15T14:37:33 < jpa-> huh
2016-09-15T14:37:45 < jpa-> no, atleast if you don't use apple..
2016-09-15T14:37:45 < dongs> the UUID or wahtever that theyt shit transmits
2016-09-15T14:37:48 < dongs> hm
2016-09-15T14:37:51 < stvn> lol
2016-09-15T14:38:12 < dongs> well could turn the power down on them i guess
2016-09-15T14:38:15 < dongs> for shorter range
2016-09-15T14:38:34 < dongs> are you saying something like 10-20 of them in same/near space will all be receiable?
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2016-09-15T14:41:24 < jpa-> dongs: yeah, should be
2016-09-15T14:41:27 < dongs> mhm
2016-09-15T14:41:32 < jpa-> but power level based range limit is not accurate at all
2016-09-15T14:41:39 < jpa-> it will depend a lot on the surroundings
2016-09-15T14:41:53 < dongs> yeah, well, it can be tested easily, its mostly dicks passing by a box
2016-09-15T14:42:03 < jpa-> if you need accurate range limit, you need to use time of flight style radio
2016-09-15T14:42:04 < dongs> so its close neough
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2016-09-15T14:58:38 < wander___> dongs, are you from Australia ?
2016-09-15T14:59:01 < dongs> no im from glorious nippon
2016-09-15T14:59:05 < dongs>     if (keyDown(INFOBTN)) {
2016-09-15T14:59:33 < dongs> also i paste shit into wrong windows
2016-09-15T15:05:58 < karlp> you can register bluetooth "well known uids" with bluetooth sig isn't it? but it' slike applying for an snmp enterprise id, it's just a filing, no fee
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2016-09-15T15:24:15 < zyp> your fifo is out of sync
2016-09-15T15:24:54 < zyp> jpa-, *
2016-09-15T15:24:59 < zyp> as I understand it, GRXSTS* is just aliasing the data readout from the fifo
2016-09-15T15:25:05 < zyp> rxfifo*
2016-09-15T15:25:57 < zyp> status words and data payloads are both put into the same fifo, so your stack needs to keep track of when it's supposed to read out data and when it's supposed to read out status
2016-09-15T15:26:41 < zyp> and if you get out of sync, you'll read data words from GRXSTSP or status words from the data pop addr
2016-09-15T15:28:14 < jpa-> ok
2016-09-15T15:28:17 < jpa-> that explains that much
2016-09-15T15:34:57 < dongs> is there any stdperiph example to enter low-power/stop mode stuff to wake up from PA0?
2016-09-15T15:38:46 < dongs> looks like PWR_ shit
2016-09-15T15:38:46 < dongs> k
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2016-09-15T15:42:25 < dongs> hmm
2016-09-15T15:42:27 < dongs> 7mA
2016-09-15T15:42:42 < dongs> from ~50mA when board is running
2016-09-15T15:44:46 < dongs> 3mA if i disconnect jlink, of course
2016-09-15T15:44:48 < dongs> still a lot tho
2016-09-15T15:49:16 < dongs> hmmm
2016-09-15T15:52:08 < karlp> dongs fave stm8s: http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/09/14/broadlink-mp1-quad-socket-wifi-power-strip-review-and-teardown/
2016-09-15T15:52:57 < dongs> hah
2016-09-15T15:52:59 < dongs> wtf is that
2016-09-15T15:53:01 < dongs> IoT power strip?
2016-09-15T15:53:09 < dongs> Bong band control, lol
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2016-09-15T16:05:58 < stvn> pummmmmp1n
2016-09-15T16:07:02 < Laurenceb__> dongs: which stm32?
2016-09-15T16:10:32 < stvn> hey Laurenceb__ 
2016-09-15T16:10:43 < Laurenceb__> suop trawl
2016-09-15T16:11:23 < Laurenceb__> http://img.memecdn.com/please-drive-500-m-to-the-canyon-and-die_c_6808765.jpg
2016-09-15T16:11:55 < stvn> sdagd
2016-09-15T16:12:33 < stvn> i
2016-09-15T16:12:56 < karlp> fricking customers.  ship them a cable for testing.  dude looks at it, decides it's wired wrong, rewires it, then complains that half the devices can't be read with the cable.
2016-09-15T16:13:12 < karlp> puts it back to how it was when we shipped it => 100% success
2016-09-15T16:13:19 < stvn> i'm trying to work out if this $300 assy is worth 5 tactile switches
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2016-09-15T16:14:17 < Steffanx> Steeeeveeen.
2016-09-15T16:14:37 < Steffanx> You missed my worms (the game) voice
2016-09-15T16:14:47 < stvn>  bro Steffanx 
2016-09-15T16:15:10 < stvn> get dongs to do it]
2016-09-15T16:15:45 < stvn> my business associate is trying to make me listen to some american crap
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2016-09-15T16:16:17 < Laurenceb__> Usher?
2016-09-15T16:16:56 < stvn> fuck knows lb
2016-09-15T16:17:22 < Laurenceb__> fun fact: I scored with a crazy grrl in a nightclub a while back, go back to her place and she likes to listen to Usher
2016-09-15T16:17:27 < Laurenceb__> left without getting laid
2016-09-15T16:18:57 < stvn> just plunge
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2016-09-15T16:29:45 < stvn> tectu is cool
2016-09-15T16:29:46 < Steffanx> Better listen to kanye west.
2016-09-15T16:34:38 < stvn> who makes good tool
2016-09-15T16:35:06 < stvn> engineer?
2016-09-15T16:36:23 < stvn> lindstrom?
2016-09-15T16:39:27 < dongs> Laurenceb__: f401
2016-09-15T16:41:18 < Tectu> how's karlp these days?
2016-09-15T16:41:37 < stvn> dongs mate
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2016-09-15T16:44:07 < stvn> dongs: shout outs to canare in japan for their roll of 2t2s-fct-s
2016-09-15T16:47:29 < sync> karlp: typical
2016-09-15T16:47:41 < Laurenceb__> \g@addto@macro{\UrlBreaks}{\UrlOrds}
2016-09-15T16:47:46 < Laurenceb__> latex is pretty 1337
2016-09-15T16:50:30 < dongs> samn
2016-09-15T16:50:42 < dongs> crt, do you know a source for ~vertical~ spdif sockets?
2016-09-15T16:50:53 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/everlight-electronics-co-ltd/PLR135-T10/1080-1433-ND/2693961
2016-09-15T16:50:57 < dongs> like this trash but not right angle
2016-09-15T16:51:21 < stvn> not optical
2016-09-15T16:52:02 < dongs> wtf it seems nobody except chinks makes those
2016-09-15T16:52:05 < dongs> right angle everywhere
2016-09-15T16:52:11 < dongs> onyl some random aliexpress trash for vertical
2016-09-15T16:52:13 < stvn> mmmyea
2016-09-15T16:52:20 < dongs> http://www.axpof.com/products_list/pmcId=24.html
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2016-09-15T17:04:05 < Steffanx> Poll: I have a microwave oven. [ ] yes [ ] no
2016-09-15T17:05:04 < Tectu> [ ] yes [x] no
2016-09-15T17:05:32 < PeterM> I have a microwave oven. [y] yes [y] no
2016-09-15T17:05:55 < Tectu> you're doing it wrong
2016-09-15T17:05:58 < PeterM> I have a microwave oven. [n] yes [n]no
2016-09-15T17:06:08 < PeterM> I have a microwave oven. [?] yes [?]no
2016-09-15T17:06:16 < PeterM> I have a microwave oven. [x] yes  []no
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2016-09-15T17:06:35 < dongs> dongs. [x] yes
2016-09-15T17:06:50 < dongs> this taiwanese pcb is f ucking garbage
2016-09-15T17:06:54 < dongs> impossible to rework
2016-09-15T17:07:00 < dongs> also silkscreen browns after reflow
2016-09-15T17:07:07 < PeterM> KEK
2016-09-15T17:07:40 < PeterM> ive got some hoards that have been reflowed like 10times and hte  silkscreen has gone pink
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2016-09-15T17:14:11 < urydgd> Hi guys, I have a problem with FatFS and MicroSD driver using DMA. The problem is that the DMA controller as far as I understood needs data buffer to be aligned, but the FatFS file structure is not. So I managed to fix it by adding a dummy data but I don't really like as a final solution. It seems so hacky. Have you ever faced this issue? How did you fix it?  Cheers
2016-09-15T17:15:15 < dongs> http://nemuisan.blog.bai.ne.jp/?eid=192848 this guy has a shitload of F4+SPI/SDIO/DMA code that works
2016-09-15T17:20:46 < urydgd> dongs: thanks! But seems like some links (the intresting ones) doesn't works
2016-09-15T17:21:54 < urydgd> It says that there is google drive internal errors
2016-09-15T17:22:29 < dongs> meh most of his shit used to be on lik livedrive
2016-09-15T17:22:31 < dongs> which link?
2016-09-15T17:23:14 < dongs> livedrive links work for me
2016-09-15T17:23:30 < dongs> 　　　*TFT/OLED Control Sample with ChaN's FatFs(SDIO&SPI-Interface)
2016-09-15T17:23:31 < dongs> 　　　　 It supports SDXC and eMMC!
2016-09-15T17:23:32 < dongs> like that shit
2016-09-15T17:23:54 < urydgd> Yes exactly that link isn't working for me
2016-09-15T17:24:01 < urydgd> https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=36f4d1230f8a673c&id=36F4D1230F8A673C%213330
2016-09-15T17:24:12 < Tectu> better GFILE
2016-09-15T17:26:22 < urydgd> Tectu: didn't know about it. But my project is highly coupled with FatFs and I dunno if a porting is worth
2016-09-15T17:26:56 < urydgd> Did you had the same problems with FatFs as I get?
2016-09-15T17:27:59 < dongs> anyway, i recall doing fatfs+dma stuff and I didn't have any issues
2016-09-15T17:28:02 < urydgd> dongs: I tried to see if there is something like it on GitHub but seems not
2016-09-15T17:28:10 < dongs> i might have a copy cached somewehre
2016-09-15T17:28:33 < Tectu> urydgd, not really. FatFS just always worked out-of-the-box for me. But I never did a lot of tweaking or similar things
2016-09-15T17:29:26 < urydgd> dongs: It did work well for me too until now. Because the buffer was casually aligned. Now as software grows, it is not the case anymore :(
2016-09-15T17:30:12 < dongs> cant you just force alignment on it? with some __attribute shit
2016-09-15T17:32:59 < jpa-> urydgd: fatfs stucture should be aligned
2016-09-15T17:33:12 < jpa-> but yeah, you can always force it
2016-09-15T17:33:25 < jpa-> e.g. add uint32_t member before it, or some attributes
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2016-09-15T17:33:43 < urydgd> dongs: yeah I tried to do it but I didn't succeed. For now I just added padding manually (and it does work). But it doesn't seems to be a properly fix (touching the FatFs source code is bad)
2016-09-15T17:34:55 < urydgd> jpa-: It doesn't seem to be aligned by default, or something neasty is going on in my project
2016-09-15T17:37:18 < urydgd> Oh well I have the pragma pack(1) set on the project settings
2016-09-15T17:37:27 < dongs> er
2016-09-15T17:37:30 < jpa-> .. yes, that would do it
2016-09-15T17:37:34 < dongs> isnt thats the problme?
2016-09-15T17:37:51 < jpa-> yeah, that's pretty much telling the compiler "don't bother aligning stuff"
2016-09-15T17:39:07 < urydgd> dongs: I need it because I do I lot of communication using structures and stuff, so I may need to disable it just there. Do you know how to do it?
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2016-09-15T17:40:25 < stvn> Tectu rustled my friens
2016-09-15T17:40:37 < urydgd> I've seen in the gcc docs that there is something like #pragma push/pop but not sure if it's what I need
2016-09-15T17:41:06 < dongs> that works and is fairly portable
2016-09-15T17:42:41 < urydgd> dongs: so your best choice will be to use the #pragma pack push/pop in the FatFs sources?
2016-09-15T17:43:19 < dongs> no, just in YOUR shit that you think needs alignment
2016-09-15T17:43:43 < dongs> i.e. some stuff your passing across the wire/whatever to other places where its packed
2016-09-15T17:44:24 < dongs> #pragma pack push,1 crazystruct lol; #pragma pack pop
2016-09-15T17:44:35 < stvn> wut
2016-09-15T17:49:20 < urydgd> dongs: but the problem is not in my code I guess, it is the FatFs FIL structure elements to be unaligned as far as I can see
2016-09-15T17:50:18 < dongs> yeah because you have a fucking pragma pack (1)
2016-09-15T17:50:23 < dongs> in your entire project?
2016-09-15T17:50:42 < dongs> thats what is doing it.
2016-09-15T17:50:52 < dongs> take it out, pack ONLY the stuff you want packed, done
2016-09-15T17:55:33 < dongs> so hm
2016-09-15T17:55:37 < dongs> down to 1mA
2016-09-15T17:55:51 < stvn> mmmm
2016-09-15T17:56:08 < dongs> i forgot the boost reg doesnt turn off when > 2.7V vcc so that was adding extra shit
2016-09-15T17:56:15 < dongs> still too much
2016-09-15T17:56:28 < urydgd> Yeah seems to be a reasonable solution, thanks again for the support!
2016-09-15T17:58:33 < dongs> Standby: 2.4 μA @25 °C / 1.7 V without
2016-09-15T17:58:35 < dongs> RTC
2016-09-15T17:58:39 < dongs> why am i not seeing this
2016-09-15T17:59:42 < stvn> i dunno what the fuck you've put in your vape tonight man
2016-09-15T18:00:05 < zyp> is that supposed to say microamps?
2016-09-15T18:00:12 < dongs> yeah, uA
2016-09-15T18:00:28 < dongs> best I can do is aroudn 1mA according to my riglol power supply
2016-09-15T18:00:43 < zyp> you're either not turning off enough, or you're leaking somewhere else
2016-09-15T18:00:50 < dongs> my fluke73 is not accurate enough
2016-09-15T18:02:00 < dongs> everything is off
2016-09-15T18:02:17 < kakimir> I had agilent precision supply and blew it with lipo
2016-09-15T18:02:33 < dongs> the only thing in vbat domain is stm, boost converter with EN pin pulled down, and i2c eeprom with 1uA standby current
2016-09-15T18:02:44 < Laurenceb__> 2.7µA  ?
2016-09-15T18:02:58 < Laurenceb__> wait wut
2016-09-15T18:03:05 < Laurenceb__> 1mA
2016-09-15T18:03:09 < Laurenceb__> ur doing it wrong
2016-09-15T18:03:33 < dongs> hmm
2016-09-15T18:03:35 < dongs> but
2016-09-15T18:03:39 < dongs> 3.3K pullups for i2c
2016-09-15T18:03:45 < dongs> are 600uA
2016-09-15T18:03:50 < Laurenceb__> ah
2016-09-15T18:03:51 < dongs> would that do it?
2016-09-15T18:03:51 < dongs> HEH
2016-09-15T18:04:04 < dongs> hmm
2016-09-15T18:04:05 < Laurenceb__> if the lines are being pulled low, yes
2016-09-15T18:04:14 < Laurenceb__> or maybe there is leakage on the lines
2016-09-15T18:04:34 < dongs> stm in stop/whatever mode is all highZ right?
2016-09-15T18:04:40 < Laurenceb__> I only managed about 25µA on my datalogger :-/ too much leakage shit
2016-09-15T18:04:52 < Laurenceb__> yeah but esd and zener shit is still there
2016-09-15T18:05:38 < dongs> what did you do with i2c tho?
2016-09-15T18:05:48 < Laurenceb__> all powered down
2016-09-15T18:06:00 < Laurenceb__> with ldo that has EN pulled low
2016-09-15T18:07:18 < dongs> oh.
2016-09-15T18:07:25 < dongs> so pullup is also powered down?
2016-09-15T18:07:50 < dongs> man if this fucking taiwan PCB wasnt such shit for rework I'd try taking out i2c pulls to see if that affects it
2016-09-15T18:08:14 < dongs> am I calculating it right tho? 600uA for 3.3K pulled up to say 2V?
2016-09-15T18:09:44 < stvn> yup v=ir last time i kek`d
2016-09-15T18:09:50 < dongs> rite
2016-09-15T18:12:33 < Laurenceb__> yeah pullup is off the same vreg
2016-09-15T18:12:38 < Laurenceb__> just turn off all the shit
2016-09-15T18:12:55 < dongs> mhm.
2016-09-15T18:13:14 < Laurenceb__> how beagleboneblack does _not_ do it
2016-09-15T18:13:23 < Laurenceb__> all the shit powered up all the time
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2016-09-15T18:13:33 < Laurenceb__> 120mA "shutdown" current
2016-09-15T18:13:52 < dongs> can't be worse than arduino due
2016-09-15T18:13:58 < dongs> 200mA while(1) current
2016-09-15T18:14:08 < karlp> Tectu: karlp is good thanks :) not as well supplied with strooooooopwaffelz as you are though ;)
2016-09-15T18:14:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ehhiUCB.png arduino due at idle
2016-09-15T18:14:54 < karlp> Steffanx: [x] yes [ ] no
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2016-09-15T18:15:49 < stvn> better get to serving up those stroopwaffels
2016-09-15T18:16:57 < stvn> i'm not going to be sober enough to make it in tomorrow
2016-09-15T18:19:02 < Laurenceb__> C11H15NO
2016-09-15T18:19:05 < Laurenceb__> amirite
2016-09-15T18:19:55 < stvn> i dont talk sputnik
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2016-09-15T18:23:17 < Rickta59> you guys are so funny.. 200mA while loop .. running at 72MHz on a stm32f103c8 I measured 25mA for an stm32duino while loop
2016-09-15T18:23:50 < stvn> fuck off
2016-09-15T18:23:52 < dongs> Rickta59: well, thats STM32DUINO
2016-09-15T18:23:59 < dongs> i'm talking real fucking ARDUINO DUE (GENUINE)
2016-09-15T18:24:13 < Laurenceb__> lul arudino versus arduino
2016-09-15T18:24:19 < Laurenceb__> typical Italian project
2016-09-15T18:24:34 < Rickta59> don't have one can't say .. the msp430 version of arduino (energia) is in the uA
2016-09-15T18:25:14 < dongs> heh
2016-09-15T18:25:26 < dongs> anyway, thermal pic speaks for itself
2016-09-15T18:25:28 < dongs> 10C over ambient 
2016-09-15T18:25:55 < Laurenceb__> where?
2016-09-15T18:26:03 < celeron55> probably all the useless LEDs are taking 80% of the current
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2016-09-15T18:26:16 < Laurenceb__> circuits of knowledge, expertise and elites that shape the contemporary global service
2016-09-15T18:26:32 < Laurenceb__> sjw all the things
2016-09-15T18:26:46 < Laurenceb__> oh 10C on tarduino, I fail at reading
2016-09-15T18:26:46 < dongs>  < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ehhiUCB.png arduino due at idle
2016-09-15T18:26:54 < stvn> Laurenceb__: more memes please
2016-09-15T18:26:56 < dongs> Laurenceb__: no its just sAM3x and like 3 peripherals
2016-09-15T18:27:35 < Laurenceb__> stvn: trying to collaborate on journal articles, someone filled their section with SJW vomit
2016-09-15T18:27:41 < Laurenceb__> raging here
2016-09-15T18:27:45 < stvn> oh dear
2016-09-15T18:28:07 < stvn> better bring back the gas chambers
2016-09-15T18:29:08 < Laurenceb__> http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/
2016-09-15T18:29:47 < stvn> mmmmmmm nope
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2016-09-15T18:31:06 < Laurenceb__> The main theme of von Ludwig’s[8] critique of capitalist preconstructive theory is not depatriarchialism, but neodepatriarchialism
2016-09-15T18:36:27 < dongs> Laurenceb__: wat if i put i2c pullups to gpio
2016-09-15T18:37:18 < Laurenceb__> then they will go High-Z on standby
2016-09-15T18:37:30 < dongs> sure, thats fine tho?
2016-09-15T18:37:40 < dongs> i dont need them pulling up in standby.
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2016-09-15T18:39:42 < Laurenceb__> sounds good to me
2016-09-15T18:39:52 < Laurenceb__> waste of gpio tho
2016-09-15T18:40:09 < dongs> i got like 15 pins remaining ona 64pin package
2016-09-15T18:40:11 < dongs> i think its fien
2016-09-15T18:40:51 < Laurenceb__> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~dq209/others/postmodernism.pdf
2016-09-15T18:41:23 < Steffanx> Did you see the poll result tectu?
2016-09-15T18:42:25 < Laurenceb__> Swiss left EU?
2016-09-15T18:42:26 < Laurenceb__> oh wait
2016-09-15T18:45:09 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/89vBEWj.jpg
2016-09-15T18:45:16 < stvn> made it happy
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2016-09-15T18:48:23  * Laurenceb__ imagines early 90s techno
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2016-09-15T18:48:55 < stvn> i miss tectu
2016-09-15T18:49:13 < stvn> having spare board makes troubleshooting quicker
2016-09-15T18:50:50 < stvn> and it was a mess so i was happy to chip away at my own leisure
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2016-09-15T18:54:49 < Steffanx> Lolyou @ swiss and eu
2016-09-15T18:56:50 < stvn> brother steffan
2016-09-15T18:57:14 < stvn> don't diss the swiss
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2016-09-15T19:06:46 < Laurenceb__> was talking to Tectu earlier
2016-09-15T19:06:51 < Laurenceb__> <Laurenceb__> was trying some RooshV tricks
2016-09-15T19:06:59 < Laurenceb__> <Tectu> did it work?
2016-09-15T19:07:32 < Rickta59> speaking of arduino .. looks like ST just checked in a HAL based Arduino package
2016-09-15T19:07:41 < Laurenceb__> Tectu confirmed as banned from canada
2016-09-15T19:07:48 < Rickta59> https://github.com/stm32duino/BoardManagerFiles
2016-09-15T19:08:06 < Ecco> I'm having a weird issue
2016-09-15T19:08:13 < Ecco> with an STM32 waking up immediately after wfe
2016-09-15T19:08:35 < Ecco> sunday
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2016-09-15T19:18:09 < Rob235> oi
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2016-09-15T19:26:16 < aandrew> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/which-metalworking-mill-have-you-got/?topicseen  <-- LeelooMinai you should post your setup
2016-09-15T19:34:06 < dongs> stopped reading after "eevblog"
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2016-09-15T20:07:21 < upgrdman> anyone know what kind of bandwidth an stm32 doing usb has when doing uart (cdc whatever its called) ?
2016-09-15T20:07:41 < upgrdman> and do any of the f0 disco board have a usb port on them?
2016-09-15T20:07:59 < dongs> yes and yes
2016-09-15T20:08:10 < upgrdman> elaborate plz
2016-09-15T20:09:10 < dongs> F072B disco has "user usb" port
2016-09-15T20:09:28 < dongs> and bandwidth, you can do about 900kilobyte/second with USB bulk mass storage so
2016-09-15T20:09:34 < dongs> i guess ~similar for CDC
2016-09-15T20:10:17 < dongs> thats on F103 anyway
2016-09-15T20:10:25 < upgrdman> 900Kbyte... cool
2016-09-15T20:10:29 < upgrdman> thx
2016-09-15T20:12:43 < karlp> you can also probably write it in such a way that you get no-where near it.
2016-09-15T20:12:59 < karlp> but st's own docs say it's designed to ensure you can get the full FS rates
2016-09-15T20:13:19 < upgrdman> dongs, any idea what the big smd "DIP" looking thing on the f072disco is?
2016-09-15T20:13:42 < upgrdman> karlp, k thx
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2016-09-15T20:14:04 < karlp> upgrdman: what, top left?
2016-09-15T20:14:11 < karlp> read the docs dude ;)
2016-09-15T20:14:11 < upgrdman> ya
2016-09-15T20:14:19 < upgrdman> but but i have irc
2016-09-15T20:14:21 < upgrdman> :)
2016-09-15T20:14:21 < karlp> it's just a sideways pin header for 
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2016-09-15T20:14:34 < karlp> you can connect their nfc eeprom demos to it or something
2016-09-15T20:14:39 < upgrdman> oh
2016-09-15T20:14:44 < karlp> it's going to be a "standard" expansion port.
2016-09-15T20:14:53 < karlp> but isn't digilent pmod or anything actually already standard.
2016-09-15T20:15:12 < karlp> st calls i their "RF EEPROM daughterboard connector"
2016-09-15T20:20:36 < upgrdman> hmm. no disco boards for the stm32f0 tssop parts?
2016-09-15T20:20:53 < dongs> noper
2016-09-15T20:21:06 < dongs> why the fuck would you wnat a disco for tssop part
2016-09-15T20:21:10 < dongs> you wouldnt be able to do shti with it
2016-09-15T20:21:22 < dongs> just get the 64pin disco, only use pins present on tssop, profit.
2016-09-15T20:21:35 < dongs> move it toghetto pcb later.
2016-09-15T20:21:50 < gxti> i've been using the f051 with big pitch qfp lately, like an arduino pro
2016-09-15T20:21:51 < upgrdman> ya just kinda surprised, figured it'd be big for edu
2016-09-15T20:22:00 < dongs> heh
2016-09-15T20:22:15 < dongs> i just ordered 5K of F051 in QFN32, 5x5mmt hingy
2016-09-15T20:22:21 < dongs> they're nice
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2016-09-15T20:22:26 < upgrdman> like $2 tssopDisco board or some shit. and small enough that you could literally stick it in your ass.
2016-09-15T20:22:34 < dongs> upgrdman: they're already cheap enough
2016-09-15T20:22:37 < gxti> if i was doing actual pro stuff i'd probably use qfn more often but for one off projects screw it
2016-09-15T20:22:43 < upgrdman> i know, f0disco is like $6 or 7
2016-09-15T20:22:56 < dongs> surely for $10 or wahtever teh fuck it costs 
2016-09-15T20:23:14 < upgrdman> but ya, im interestting in tssop to squeeze BoM cost.
2016-09-15T20:23:36 < upgrdman> i barely need any logic. like an 8051 would do, as long as it has usb
2016-09-15T20:23:42 < upgrdman> but fuck 8051
2016-09-15T20:24:45 < upgrdman> "sub $1 mcu in small qtys" makes the boss happy
2016-09-15T20:24:50 < karlp> you can get 8051 with usb 
2016-09-15T20:24:56 < dongs> snort
2016-09-15T20:24:58 < upgrdman> ya but 8051 sucks ass
2016-09-15T20:25:11 < karlp> there's some czech or polish dudes that do "modern" 8051 chips
2016-09-15T20:25:20 < karlp> like 100mhz usb and all sorts of shit
2016-09-15T20:25:31 < karlp> "8051 compatible! upgrade your existing designs!"
2016-09-15T20:25:33 < upgrdman> and any decent free compilers for c/cpp to 8051?
2016-09-15T20:25:46 < karlp> the same ones you've been using for the last 30 years?
2016-09-15T20:25:56 < upgrdman> i used keil vaginaVision when i did 8051 asm in school
2016-09-15T20:26:03 < karlp> for people who want to "upgrade their existing designs" they already have that shit sorted out
2016-09-15T20:26:08 < upgrdman> ya
2016-09-15T20:26:24 < karlp> upgrdman: if you want the disco cheaper, you're looking at those "blue pill" shits on  line
2016-09-15T20:26:40 < karlp> if it's truly an eval module for work, why the fuck does it matter if it's $7 or $10 ?
2016-09-15T20:27:51 < upgrdman> i dont need a cheap dev board
2016-09-15T20:28:06 < upgrdman> just surprised edu has begged for $2 gumstick-sized disco
2016-09-15T20:28:58 < upgrdman> hasnt*
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2016-09-15T20:29:43 < karlp> they're ecstatic at having $20 discos vs olds choole $200 evals
2016-09-15T20:29:54 < upgrdman> ya i know
2016-09-15T20:30:08 < karlp> and that $2 gumstick is the ebay/ali blue pill f103 shits
2016-09-15T20:30:28 < upgrdman> my shit 8051 dev board at uni cost me $180... for a plcc atmel 8051, and all PTH passive / db9
2016-09-15T20:30:34 < karlp> http://www.ebay.com/itm/STM32F103C8T6-ARM-STM32-Minimum-System-Development-Board-Module-For-Arduino-/201529768817
2016-09-15T20:30:45 < upgrdman> ya but f1 is such crap comapred to newer stm32
2016-09-15T20:40:40 < karlp> you wanted cheap boards dude.
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2016-09-15T21:23:46 < aandrew> < upgrdman> like $2 tssopDisco board or some shit. and small enough that you could literally stick it in your ass.
2016-09-15T21:23:50 < aandrew> < upgrdman> but fuck 8051
2016-09-15T21:23:53 < aandrew> heh heh heh
2016-09-15T21:24:18 < aandrew> 8051 is the arch that won't die. they just keep making it faster and more ram/flash
2016-09-15T21:24:30 < aandrew> gigabytes of memory with the same weird banking
2016-09-15T21:25:51 < Fleck> ;p
2016-09-15T21:25:56 < kakimir> is there anywhere archive of 8051 software freely avaiable?
2016-09-15T21:27:30 < aandrew> kakimir: pudn.net I bet
2016-09-15T21:27:31 < Steffanx> Dont link, dont link!
2016-09-15T21:27:40 < Steffanx> Let it die.
2016-09-15T21:27:46 < aandrew> search github for "8051" and see
2016-09-15T21:28:00 < aandrew> I bet if you search archive.org for geocities you'll find a ton
2016-09-15T21:28:41 < Steffanx> only real when it has a clock around the cursor or something follow your cursor
2016-09-15T21:28:46 < Steffanx> *following
2016-09-15T21:30:36 < Steffanx> why you no longer see that nowadays? Doesn't javascript do that anymore?
2016-09-15T21:31:12 < Steffanx> or fancy transition when you move to another page
2016-09-15T21:31:18 < Steffanx> *transitions.
2016-09-15T21:33:36 < Steffanx> Dear year 2000, where did you go?
2016-09-15T21:35:02 < zyp> I read «I bet if you search archive.org for genocides you'll find a ton»
2016-09-15T21:37:16 < Steffanx> That too.
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2016-09-15T21:38:20 < Steffanx> Welcome owl-v-
2016-09-15T21:38:39 < owl-v-> this is a little fun playground --> http://www.partsim.com/simulator
2016-09-15T21:38:44 < owl-v-> hi, Steffanx
2016-09-15T21:39:01 < Steffanx> How's life in Southern korea?
2016-09-15T21:40:28 < owl-v-> so far peaceful
2016-09-15T21:40:37 < Steffanx> excellent.
2016-09-15T21:41:52 < owl-v-> there was 5.8 earthquake in korea. 
2016-09-15T21:44:22 < kakimir> nobody audits the shit in github or collects it in a one site
2016-09-15T21:45:29 < kakimir> okay first page was complete crap
2016-09-15T21:45:45 < Steffanx> See it as your mission then, kakimir
2016-09-15T21:46:14 < kakimir> assemblers, emulators, fpga cores
2016-09-15T21:46:22 < kakimir> everybody wants to code their own
2016-09-15T21:46:51 < kakimir> programmers
2016-09-15T21:47:23 < kakimir> chinese schoolwork
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2016-09-15T21:51:31 < Steffanx> I actually never used 8051. Too young for that i guess :)
2016-09-15T21:52:55 < kakimir> if there is cood codes available - why not
2016-09-15T21:52:58 < ds2> plenty of current 8051 cores around
2016-09-15T21:53:18 < kakimir> but I don't think I would actually bother to start a project with 8051 unless there is million units sold
2016-09-15T21:53:19 < Steffanx> Yeah, but not really something i would choose nowadays, i think.
2016-09-15T21:53:30 < Steffanx> What kakimir said.
2016-09-15T21:53:35 < Steffanx> and even then.
2016-09-15T21:53:43 < Steffanx> when millions sold.
2016-09-15T21:53:48 < ds2> donno about that
2016-09-15T21:54:00 < ds2> some of the CC RF chips are 8051 cores
2016-09-15T21:54:05 < kakimir> million units to be sold
2016-09-15T21:54:06 < ds2> a lot of the SiLabs stuff is 8051 cores
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2016-09-15T21:54:07 < upgrdman> so my i2c lcd works if in my i2c isr, right after sending the stop bit, if i printf() something... anything. if i dont print, it doesnt work. if i spin wait on a volatile int, it doesn't work. any ideas?
2016-09-15T21:54:18 < kakimir> okay 100k units to be fair
2016-09-15T21:54:30 < upgrdman> i thought it might be timing, but even if i spinwait longer than the printf() would take, it still doesnt work
2016-09-15T21:54:35 < kakimir> to cover the headache
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2016-09-15T21:55:48 < kakimir> qfn is cool stuff
2016-09-15T21:55:56 < upgrdman> qfn is smaller without hassle of bga
2016-09-15T21:56:32 < ds2> QFNs can be easier to handle then QFPs
2016-09-15T21:56:46 < ds2> no pins to get pushed out of the mounting plane
2016-09-15T21:56:47 < kakimir> it's true
2016-09-15T21:57:03 < kakimir> qfp is so gay
2016-09-15T21:57:05 < ds2> and it is smaller :D
2016-09-15T21:59:11 < upgrdman> i'd prefer to go arm to keep things easy
2016-09-15T21:59:33 < upgrdman> so stm32f0 tssop seems like the best option for sub $1
2016-09-15T21:59:41 < upgrdman> whats wrong with tssop
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2016-09-15T22:00:10 < upgrdman> sometimes like all i need is like spi + a few gpios
2016-09-15T22:00:32 < upgrdman> and pcb size is not a problem. shits going in industrial machines
2016-09-15T22:00:48 < kakimir> http://www.findchips.com/search/lpc1111 there is subdollar packahes
2016-09-15T22:01:00 < upgrdman> FUCK LPC
2016-09-15T22:01:33 < upgrdman> they fucking up i2c so bad on the lpc1768 that i cant forgive them.
2016-09-15T22:02:07 < kakimir> why did you but lpc176 in your project?
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2016-09-15T22:02:10 < upgrdman> not to meantion they leave "i2c1 doesn't work and can't work, but we'll still list in the manual. lolumad"
2016-09-15T22:02:11 < kakimir> *butt
2016-09-15T22:02:35 < upgrdman> i didnt. the lpc1768 is on a pcb that i took over 2yrs after some chinamen starting working on it
2016-09-15T22:02:55 < kakimir> you should have had demoboard first to see that lpc176x is mad shit
2016-09-15T22:03:05 < upgrdman> it wasnt my choice
2016-09-15T22:03:10 < upgrdman> it wasnt my design
2016-09-15T22:03:13 < kakimir> you do it as works?
2016-09-15T22:03:19 < upgrdman> yes
2016-09-15T22:03:22 < kakimir> okay
2016-09-15T22:03:26 < upgrdman> why the FUCK whould i use nxp for hobby
2016-09-15T22:03:27 < kakimir> have fun!
2016-09-15T22:03:33 < kakimir> :}
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2016-09-15T22:38:28 < kakimir> who had electric skateboard projects?
2016-09-15T22:42:10 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgL_oJ-FdhA
2016-09-15T22:42:26 < kakimir> nothing new.. some helsinki hacklab dude
2016-09-15T22:43:58 < kakimir> cool skating around
2016-09-15T22:47:19 < Steffanx> Sadly something like that is illegal here in dutchland.
2016-09-15T22:48:48 < kakimir> I think finnishlanders did some law recently to legalize stuff like that
2016-09-15T22:49:14 < kakimir> even to drive on roads and shiet
2016-09-15T22:49:23 < Steffanx> oh nice.
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2016-09-15T22:53:04 < kakimir> I don't know how that would work in ducthland with all the bicycles racing around
2016-09-15T22:57:26 < Steffanx> Your view of dutchland is bias kakimir.
2016-09-15T22:57:47 < Steffanx> There is more than just Amsterdam. 
2016-09-15T22:57:52 < Steffanx> *biased
2016-09-15T23:02:16 < Steffanx> We have many bike paths/lanes outside cities where you will hardly see bicycles, kakimir.
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2016-09-15T23:46:10 < kakimir> jesus
2016-09-15T23:47:34 < kakimir> kicad suprised me negativelly.. if there is multiple components with same name it doesn't matter which one you pick because it's going to place the first one in library listing
2016-09-15T23:49:54 < kakimir> noticed it as made some modded parts and figured something is wrong.. preview was of of new modded part and placed part was the original one
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2016-09-15T23:50:39 < kakimir> and there has not been head up for this
2016-09-15T23:50:44 < kakimir> *heads up
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2016-09-16T00:08:30 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291806934977 would you connect mains to this?
2016-09-16T00:08:48 < kakimir> and connect that physically to apparatus frame
2016-09-16T00:10:24 < kakimir> primary side current limiting
2016-09-16T00:10:27 < kakimir> or transformer
2016-09-16T00:10:29 < kakimir> of
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2016-09-16T00:14:50 < kakimir> MOT to be exact
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2016-09-16T00:44:48 < jadew> "BUY 2, GET 1" - pretty much my experience when buying from china, in the past few months
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2016-09-16T00:48:21 < BrainDamage> buy 1, get stuck 2 months in customs
2016-09-16T00:48:26 < BrainDamage> fuck italian bureaucracy
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2016-09-16T01:01:51 < kakimir> I wonder how I have not got into syncronous rectification in my circuits
2016-09-16T01:02:04 < kakimir> switching regulators
2016-09-16T01:02:12 < kakimir> It's seems to be the shit
2016-09-16T01:04:57 < owl-v-> holy.. memristor is expensive :( --> http://hackaday.com/2015/07/02/new-part-day-memristors/
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2016-09-16T02:22:40 < owl-v-> do you use Kicad + ngspice ??
2016-09-16T02:28:59 < upgrdman> is nigspice better than ltspice?
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2016-09-16T02:55:18 < owl-v-> it's the Kicad I want to use for pcb design and simulation
2016-09-16T02:59:54 < owl-v-> Samsung recalls galaxy note7 -->  http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/2016/Samsung-Recalls-Galaxy-Note7-Smartphones/
2016-09-16T03:00:57 < PeterM> owl-v- posts old links ---> irc.freenode.org ##stm32
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2016-09-16T03:02:43 < owl-v-> PeterM: what's this? ^
2016-09-16T03:06:24 < owl-v-> PeterM: this is not that old link. Sep. 15th 2016 is like yesterday. And, it's 9AM in Korea.
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2016-09-16T03:47:57 < owl-v-> how do you generate pulses with a period in spice simulation ?
2016-09-16T03:48:40 < LeelooMinai> I think voltage source should be able to do this.
2016-09-16T03:49:55 < LeelooMinai> owl-v-: http://i.imgur.com/ltJoMm4.png
2016-09-16T03:50:13 < LeelooMinai> The PULSE one
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2016-09-16T03:55:52 < owl-v-> LeelooMinai: cool!
2016-09-16T03:58:10 < dongs> englishman: 5x5mm, qfp is 7x7, price
2016-09-16T03:59:03 < stvn> i'm still fucked
2016-09-16T04:04:36 < owl-v-> oh no... I don't know how to run a simulation... help!   LeelooMinai?
2016-09-16T04:05:06 < LeelooMinai> What are you using there? ltspice?
2016-09-16T04:05:12 < PeterM> nigspice
2016-09-16T04:05:30 < PeterM> i assume related to his prior question
2016-09-16T04:05:31 < stvn> nig\
2016-09-16T04:05:32 < owl-v-> ltspice (osx version)
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2016-09-16T04:06:24 < LeelooMinai> Well, there's the simulate menu - it's not like it's hidden.
2016-09-16T04:06:38 < PeterM> or you click hte running man icon
2016-09-16T04:06:47 < PeterM> because that means run
2016-09-16T04:07:07 < LeelooMinai> Simulate/Edit simulation command. Weird ltspice will place it as text on the screen.
2016-09-16T04:07:30 < PeterM> also owl because im not from a 3rd world country, "7 days ago - View the media announcement from September 5 - Samsung Electronics Australia announces a recall of Galaxy Note7 smartphones here."
2016-09-16T04:07:33 < LeelooMinai> Is you want to see some curves in time, you probably want "Transient"
2016-09-16T04:08:05 < owl-v-> http://imgur.com/67wK8Cu
2016-09-16T04:08:08 < owl-v-> screenshot
2016-09-16T04:08:28 < stvn> rofl at bottom of screengrab
2016-09-16T04:09:00 < owl-v-> +1 for stvn
2016-09-16T04:09:08 < PeterM> spice directive ".trans 3m startup"
2016-09-16T04:09:22 < PeterM> transient simulation 3ms runtime, from startup
2016-09-16T04:09:24 < LeelooMinai> owl-v-: Right, you want to put the sim command with "Edit simulation command" first
2016-09-16T04:10:18 < LeelooMinai> Damn, I hate ltspice GUI - imagine how much nicer it could be if someone sane made it.
2016-09-16T04:10:36 < PeterM> the windaz ltspice gui is fine
2016-09-16T04:10:59 < LeelooMinai> No, it's not fine - it's one of the worst GUIs I have ever seen.
2016-09-16T04:11:40 < PeterM> you've never used any industrial equiptment i nthe past like 30 yearts
2016-09-16T04:12:00 < PeterM> because all of their guis are 10x fuckign worse
2016-09-16T04:12:07 < LeelooMinai> But I guess it's escusable, becuase Linear Technology is a small company with little budget, so they cannot afford to hire a real programmer.
2016-09-16T04:12:46 < owl-v-> "no analysis command found." --> http://imgur.com/XHvWtMl
2016-09-16T04:12:54 < PeterM> well, the programmer that they have for ltspice generalyl focuses on having the spice engine run propperly and fast, doesnt give a fuck abotu gui
2016-09-16T04:13:13 < PeterM> .tran not trans sorry
2016-09-16T04:13:14 < LeelooMinai> And it shows:p
2016-09-16T04:13:59 < owl-v-> it shows a scope!
2016-09-16T04:14:08 < LeelooMinai> lol
2016-09-16T04:14:15 < stvn> i think we should complain about this to linear tech
2016-09-16T04:14:33 < owl-v-> how do I set a reference? :o
2016-09-16T04:14:58 < stvn> install windows
2016-09-16T04:15:21 < owl-v-> add trace?
2016-09-16T04:15:39 < owl-v-> I see green pulsing signals :)
2016-09-16T04:15:53 < LeelooMinai> It's a Nebelung I think - I have one too:)
2016-09-16T04:16:32 < LeelooMinai> Nebelung Nebelungs: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/24375061246
2016-09-16T04:17:05 < owl-v-> so cool~~! -->  http://imgur.com/pNULR33
2016-09-16T04:17:48 < stvn> i like the cat video
2016-09-16T04:18:06 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, englishman i have a real cat http://i.imgur.com/ZPNQEdS.jpg
2016-09-16T04:18:25 < LeelooMinai> englishman: Well, it may be not 100% pure, but it looks like mine: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/23923105772
2016-09-16T04:18:37 < owl-v-> nyan cat is the best cat video ever
2016-09-16T04:19:05 < LeelooMinai> I got mine from a shelter - I don't have papers or anything, but I think it's a Nebelung for sure.
2016-09-16T04:21:35 < PeterM> i also have these weird cats http://i.imgur.com/O4Wi3TL.jpg
2016-09-16T04:21:44 < PeterM> and that little black and white asshole of a cat too
2016-09-16T04:25:27 < owl-v-> live spaceman fpv
2016-09-16T04:25:29 < owl-v-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlzeBNep6Pw
2016-09-16T04:26:33 < LeelooMinai> I wouldn't worry about "Flat Earthers" - they will just say that the camera has a fish-eye lens:p
2016-09-16T04:27:50 < owl-v-> lol fish-eye
2016-09-16T04:29:28 < LeelooMinai> Damn, what is this - looks like a big Klingon weapon
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2016-09-16T04:33:37 < owl-v-> soul calibur?
2016-09-16T04:33:54 < LeelooMinai> Right, or some anime weapon I guess
2016-09-16T04:38:53 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/mqlrocagirlx.jpg
2016-09-16T04:48:56 < dongs> its nice that unfunny faggit users made their own image host now I know when not t o click
2016-09-16T04:48:59 < dongs> on a link
2016-09-16T04:51:00 < emeb> true dat
2016-09-16T04:56:11 < dongs> what do I do for a input capture pin on F4-style gpio
2016-09-16T04:56:18 < dongs> MODE_AF?
2016-09-16T04:57:24 < LeelooMinai> You mean interrupt on pin input?
2016-09-16T04:57:29 < upgrdman> in cap == timer, no?
2016-09-16T04:57:32 < dongs> no, timer input capture yeah
2016-09-16T04:57:38 < upgrdman> so the timer AF
2016-09-16T04:57:44 < dongs> i guess i just won't specify OType in teh struct
2016-09-16T04:59:54 < dongs> hmm why didnt i know about TIM_PrescalerConfig
2016-09-16T05:00:24 < aandrew> dongs: it'll be an AF of some kind
2016-09-16T05:00:31 < stvn> well
2016-09-16T05:00:34 < aandrew> usually TI isn't it?
2016-09-16T05:00:52 < stvn> i wish the capacitors would fall off the shelf and roll all the way here
2016-09-16T05:01:01 < dongs> hm wat. this code doesnt fucking do timebaseinit
2016-09-16T05:03:25 < dongs> fuck yeah
2016-09-16T05:03:28 < dongs> found much better shit
2016-09-16T05:14:00 < stvn> i think i need to increase my prescription 
2016-09-16T05:14:16 < LeelooMinai> One day I need to make some device that will allow me to switch usb cables on/off from the PC - I mean connect/disconnect all 4 pins without me messing with actual cables/hub:/
2016-09-16T05:14:48 < stvn> ok
2016-09-16T05:14:58 < dongs> di.fm is down for maintenance what the fuck
2016-09-16T05:15:19 < stvn> put on some pumper tunes dongs 
2016-09-16T05:16:11 < LeelooMinai> Not sure how yet - especially the data lines. I would like to discennect them off physically, so I don't know, relay/contracton?
2016-09-16T05:16:23 < LeelooMinai> contactron*
2016-09-16T05:16:42 < stvn> a usb switch hmmmmmmm
2016-09-16T05:16:50 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if it would affect the signal integrity though.
2016-09-16T05:16:51 < dongs> highspeed analog switch IC on DPDM, and relay or whatever the fuck ong gnd/vcc
2016-09-16T05:17:19 < LeelooMinai> stvn: But usb switch will not switch all 4 lines off galvanically.
2016-09-16T05:17:39 < stvn> i know
2016-09-16T05:18:16 < LeelooMinai> There are isolators, but I don't think anything can do HS USB.
2016-09-16T05:20:43 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, analog switch still has common ground, so it would not be total disconnect.
2016-09-16T05:21:52 < PeterM> LeelooMinai,  knowing how tolerant usb is, i'd jsut get some telecomms relays, sure it won't be in "spec" but it'll work jsut fine
2016-09-16T05:22:20 < LeelooMinai> Well, I would worry about the differential pair still:)
2016-09-16T05:23:22 < LeelooMinai> I can always make a little robot to pull the plugs off, but...
2016-09-16T05:23:50 < stvn> fantastic idea
2016-09-16T05:24:17 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's certainly doably - just some cheap servos probably would work:)
2016-09-16T05:24:23 < LeelooMinai> doable*
2016-09-16T05:24:31 < LeelooMinai> But it's not very sane one...
2016-09-16T05:24:34 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, telecoms relays are like 50c for 4p2t
2016-09-16T05:24:39 < stvn> yeh i made a robot to press a switch 100,000 times to see if it's rating was legit
2016-09-16T05:24:47 < PeterM> buy one nad and an oshfark board and try it
2016-09-16T05:24:59 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, theres lot of shit china usb cables... thing of how bad those are, and the often times work. some relays prolly wont kill your sig integ too much'
2016-09-16T05:25:06 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: Ok, but do they have relays for switching differential pairs? :p
2016-09-16T05:25:35 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Well, yes, they are bad, and that's why I had problems with many of them and had to throw them off, so there...
2016-09-16T05:25:37 < upgrdman> they dont need to be. undiff them for a centimeter on your pcb. it wont die
2016-09-16T05:25:40 < PeterM> well, the relays are generally symetrical internally, so length matcvhing will be no issue
2016-09-16T05:25:55 < PeterM> but im not sure on impedance matched
2016-09-16T05:26:10 < PeterM> but there is usually a discontinuity at the connector anyway...
2016-09-16T05:26:24 < owl-v-> SPICE is fun~!
2016-09-16T05:27:05 < LeelooMinai> If you have no life, it may be:p
2016-09-16T05:27:11 < stvn> so is chopping up dead dogs
2016-09-16T05:27:39 < LeelooMinai> You killed him?
2016-09-16T05:27:42 < LeelooMinai> A, dogs...
2016-09-16T05:28:57 < stvn> nope
2016-09-16T05:29:03 < stvn> i did nothing of the sort
2016-09-16T05:29:27 < stvn> but i'd expect it to be comparable to running ltspice on a mac
2016-09-16T05:30:09 < LeelooMinai> I am rocking M1K already: http://i.imgur.com/XPtwUYv.png
2016-09-16T05:30:18 < LeelooMinai> Now I can optimize my design for power usage.
2016-09-16T05:30:39 < LeelooMinai> If I figure out how to control all those L4 power modes from Chibios that is...
2016-09-16T05:35:21 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: what's that?
2016-09-16T05:35:57 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: That ADALM1000 dev board from Analog Devices I ordered - it's pretty cool.
2016-09-16T05:37:05 < LeelooMinai> Only 100ksps max, but 16 bits, can measure voltage/currents, source them on one/two channels, you can use it as SMU, LC meter, generate waveforms, etc. And it's $40 USD...
2016-09-16T05:37:56 < LeelooMinai> Has a simple windows app (the one in link,) but also osilloscope app which is pretty decent actually, and some libs. Fully open hardware/source.
2016-09-16T05:38:50 < LeelooMinai> So, I just power my project from this thing now and I can see current consumption while playing with sleep modes, interrupts, threads, etc.
2016-09-16T05:40:08 < LeelooMinai> AD should make more cool boards like that.
2016-09-16T05:41:06 < aandrew> that is interesting
2016-09-16T05:43:28 < LeelooMinai> I don't really like standalone EE instruments.
2016-09-16T05:43:52 < aandrew> how did you find out about it?
2016-09-16T05:44:19 < LeelooMinai> I was looking for something like Analog Discovery, but cheaper, and kind of found it by accident.
2016-09-16T05:44:44 < aandrew> well at the risk of being repetitive... very interesting
2016-09-16T05:45:17 < LeelooMinai> There's a lot of stuff on that board, it's a great value: https://wiki.analog.com/_media/university/tools/m1k/adalm1000_bottom.png
2016-09-16T05:45:51 < LeelooMinai> ADCs, ARM, DACs, op-amps, it's all there:)
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2016-09-16T05:59:37 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, but does it have LEG?
2016-09-16T05:59:59 < LeelooMinai> It has 4 short feet...
2016-09-16T06:00:01 < dongs> god damn the hal library is complete aids
2016-09-16T06:05:10 < LeelooMinai> It aids you in development
2016-09-16T06:25:04 < emeb_mac> hal has... issues
2016-09-16T06:25:26 < emeb_mac> but it's better than nothing, which is the alternative if you're on an F7
2016-09-16T06:48:18 < Thorn> that board has current resolution of 1mA, not good for low power development
2016-09-16T06:51:44 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: It depends - for my needs it works fine, as my run mode is about 12mA (80MHz)
2016-09-16T06:51:44 < LeelooMinai> So I can see non-run modes fine.
2016-09-16T06:53:22 < LeelooMinai> Also, it has two sampling channels, so one can add some current shunt + differential opamp on a tiny plug-in board and solve the resolution problem this way.
2016-09-16T06:53:58 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, maybe a good idea to oshpark something like that one day.
2016-09-16T06:54:17 < LeelooMinai> Will probably cost $2:p
2016-09-16T06:55:01 < Thorn> but you can't leave the device running for a few days and calculate total consumed energy that you can extrapolate to battery life
2016-09-16T06:56:11 < LeelooMinai> Not sure - there's a python lib that could maybe stream the data. They also have some data logging app, but it's primitive.
2016-09-16T06:56:54 < LeelooMinai> also, if I was doing this kind of work, I would probably use specialized IC - they have some high-resolution ones that just count energy use and store the totals in registers.
2016-09-16T06:57:14 < LeelooMinai> Forgot what they are called,. Coulompb meters or something like that.
2016-09-16T06:57:35 < LeelooMinai> Coulomb*
2016-09-16T06:58:20 < LeelooMinai> Ok, googled, Coulomp couter, or fuel gauge, like this: https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/power/battery-management/DS2740.html
2016-09-16T06:59:23 < Rob235> I think I'm losing my mind
2016-09-16T06:59:44 < LeelooMinai> Sounds like a pop song title
2016-09-16T06:59:49 < emeb_mac> losING?
2016-09-16T07:00:43 < Rob235> so tired and trying to wrap my brain around what I'm writing (or at least trying to write)
2016-09-16T07:02:50 < LeelooMinai> It doesn't mean you are losing your mind - it may be just early onset Alzheimer.
2016-09-16T07:03:31 < Rob235> or maybe I should just call it a night
2016-09-16T07:03:48 < Rob235> really wanted the autotune finished
2016-09-16T07:04:41 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na4YhyMHURM
2016-09-16T07:04:43 < LeelooMinai> I knew it - recording a pop sing.
2016-09-16T07:04:47 < LeelooMinai> song*
2016-09-16T07:04:50 < Rob235> haha
2016-09-16T07:08:07 < LeelooMinai> Thron, Weird, but I have seen much weirder:)
2016-09-16T07:09:54 < LeelooMinai> Like this one:p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQYWC9ezebw
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2016-09-16T07:16:39 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, you like that kind of shit music but dont like my links? lol
2016-09-16T07:17:03 < PeterM> sorry what was this about R2COM musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjsnYmi4z0U ?
2016-09-16T07:17:18 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: I did not write I like it - I kind of find it amusing though. Apparently there's a genre called Alien Core - lol
2016-09-16T07:17:26 < upgrdman> :)
2016-09-16T07:18:24 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: That's... disturbinh
2016-09-16T07:19:25 < LeelooMinai> I think this is much worse than Alien Core:)
2016-09-16T07:19:35 < PeterM> im not sure actually... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqsPlZ5p_G0 may be more R2COM  or even https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGHvB6B2hbc
2016-09-16T07:20:31 < PeterM> (also i realize Jozin z Bazin  is czech not ru)
2016-09-16T07:21:32 < LeelooMinai> Now I will have to listen to something nice, to purge those things from my brain - thanks PeterM:/
2016-09-16T07:24:20 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1463770152319.webm
2016-09-16T07:25:05 < LeelooMinai> It would be weirder if they photoshoped the head to 180 deg turn
2016-09-16T07:25:30 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1473890199345.webm more R2COM
2016-09-16T07:25:37 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1473888422094.webm
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2016-09-16T07:26:26 < LeelooMinai> I am not a fan of Russian-made music I think:p
2016-09-16T07:28:34 < LeelooMinai> btw, I just re-read specs of M1K and it has resolution/accurace of 100μA not 1mA as Thorn wrote
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2016-09-16T07:31:29 < LeelooMinai> englishman: Stop applying high voltage to your cats
2016-09-16T07:33:14 < PeterM> *clicks submit on DK order*
2016-09-16T07:33:19 < PeterM> *choses 300 tabs*
2016-09-16T07:33:23 < PeterM> *closes
2016-09-16T07:33:52 < PeterM> *waits for the obligatory comment about "what does porn have to do with digikey"*
2016-09-16T07:34:43 < PeterM> i confirmed i would be using the encryption in my gps guided icbms
2016-09-16T07:34:52 < PeterM> *rolls eyes*
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2016-09-16T08:17:47 < dongs> any rec's for a uA multimeter that isnt garbage
2016-09-16T08:17:55 < dongs> something better than EEVBLAG uCURRENT
2016-09-16T08:26:09 < LeelooMinai> If you can get some used Keithley-something. They specialized in micro-current and voltage measurement
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2016-09-16T08:33:29 < LeelooMinai> Or even nano...
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2016-09-16T08:49:15 < PeterM> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
2016-09-16T08:55:41 < dongs> they were updating gnu/hurd kernel
2016-09-16T08:55:42 < dongs> works now
2016-09-16T08:56:09 < Thorn> dongs: why is davecurrent shit?
2016-09-16T08:58:19 < dongs> beacuse dave
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2016-09-16T09:23:19 < dongs> http://s.aliexpress.com/3a2YZjYf wat can i do with this
2016-09-16T09:25:45 < Thorn> what wavelength?
2016-09-16T09:25:47 < PeterM> without a laser, not much
2016-09-16T09:26:28 < dongs> rusaying thats just the galvo?
2016-09-16T09:26:35 < dongs> doesnt include a 30W laser?
2016-09-16T09:26:35 < dongs> k
2016-09-16T09:26:56 < dongs> soudns boring then
2016-09-16T09:26:59 < dongs> i was hoping for a killer lightshow
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2016-09-16T09:52:39 < dongs> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-crash-idUSKCN11K232 rip and lol
2016-09-16T09:56:03 < Thorn> Elon should have started with sex bots
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2016-09-16T09:59:17 < LeelooMinai> He would get sued anyways if one of those causesd a heart attack in someone:p
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2016-09-16T10:32:53 < stvn> lol
2016-09-16T10:33:18 < stvn> asians cant drive anyway
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2016-09-16T10:43:22 < PeterM> lol
2016-09-16T10:44:24 < stvn> there are like 10 crash repair shops within 1km of each other in springvale
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2016-09-16T11:15:42 < _franck__> anyone is running upstream Linux on a stm32429i-eval ?
2016-09-16T11:16:07 < _franck__> I can't get it boot
2016-09-16T11:16:27 < Thorn> we generally don't run linux on microcontrollers around here
2016-09-16T11:16:51 < _franck__> ah ok thanks
2016-09-16T11:18:10 < emeryth> what xD
2016-09-16T11:18:18 < Steffanx> Someone here messed around with it. But dont remember who.
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2016-09-16T11:21:08 < stvn> maybe Laurenceb 
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2016-09-16T11:32:18 < Steffanx> Lol not laurence.
2016-09-16T11:33:17 < Fleck> ghh
2016-09-16T11:35:10 < Tectu> "upstream" linux as in vanilla?
2016-09-16T11:35:26 < Tectu> Usually you would run uCLinux or similar "distributions" (more like: variations)
2016-09-16T11:35:37 < jpa-> isn't uclinux merged to mainline since N years ago?
2016-09-16T11:35:39 < Tectu> stock Linux requires stuff that an STM32 platform cannot offer
2016-09-16T11:35:43 < Tectu> wut?
2016-09-16T11:36:00 < jpa-> "μClinux was a fork of the Linux kernel for microcontrollers (in embedded systems) without a memory management unit (MMU).[1] It was integrated into the main line of development as of 2.5.46;[2] the project continues to develop patches and tools for microcontrollers."
2016-09-16T11:36:05 < jpa-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9CClinux
2016-09-16T11:36:39 < Tectu> nice
2016-09-16T11:37:03 < jpa-> but wikipedia only talks about 2.6, not sure whether it works with 3.x
2016-09-16T11:38:37 < dongs> Steffanx: ds2
2016-09-16T11:40:40 < tkoskine> arm-linux-kernel -mailing list is "always" full of stm32 patches, I think you can compile the latest mainline kernel for stm32 if you manage to find proper configuration setup.
2016-09-16T11:42:32 < stvn> cqts
2016-09-16T11:42:40 < dongs> why teh fuck
2016-09-16T11:42:42 < dongs> would anyone waste tiem with that
2016-09-16T11:42:46 < dongs> fucking dweebs
2016-09-16T11:45:26 < Tectu> reminds me of the dude that once hooked up some DDR1 module to a PIC18F and ran the JVM on that (after porting)
2016-09-16T11:49:37 < dongs> pertty sure it was some tool who hooked up sdram to atmega1280
2016-09-16T11:49:39 < dongs> and ran lunix on it
2016-09-16T11:49:42 < dongs> inside arm emulator
2016-09-16T11:50:10 < dongs> http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit this nutjob
2016-09-16T11:50:58 < syke> nice thing on his CV
2016-09-16T11:51:04 < Thorn> you can also run it on a simulated cpu in modelsim
2016-09-16T11:54:43 < LeelooMinai> Since I was just reading this, I can add it to the fail ideas list:) http://hackaday.com/2016/09/13/microlisp-lisp-for-the-avr/
2016-09-16T11:55:10 < dongs> fuck lisp any anyone using it
2016-09-16T11:55:13 < Tectu> Actually, that's retarded
2016-09-16T11:55:33 < dongs> er, any=and
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2016-09-16T12:01:24 < stvn> lisp, the gayest thing ever made
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2016-09-16T12:06:47 < Thorn> no
2016-09-16T12:06:49 < Thorn> what other language lets you add or multiply 0 numbers
2016-09-16T12:06:54 < Thorn> (+) (*)
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2016-09-16T12:41:34 < _franck__> Tectu: jpa- : yes upstream as in vanilla
2016-09-16T12:42:06 < _franck__> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/arch/arm/mach-stm32
2016-09-16T12:43:34 < _franck__> https://lwn.net/Articles/633403/
2016-09-16T12:45:45 < syke> 32F469IDISCOVERY only available from those listed in github?
2016-09-16T12:46:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> huh sy?
2016-09-16T12:46:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> sykes*
2016-09-16T12:47:37 < tkoskine> f429i-eval, f429-disco, f469-disco boards are supported in Linux (dts files provided for them).
2016-09-16T12:47:37 < syke> is those supported pioneering stm32f4 chips available in any other devboard
2016-09-16T12:47:46 < syke> ok
2016-09-16T12:49:13 < tkoskine> "make ARCH=arm stm32_defconfig;make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-eabi-" worked for me
2016-09-16T12:49:23 < _franck__> work for me too
2016-09-16T12:49:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> That's kinda cool.
2016-09-16T12:50:19 < _franck__> but after I flash afboot-stm32 (a small bootloader), the linux xip image and dts, nothing
2016-09-16T12:50:19 < tkoskine> http://elinux.org/STM32 has some docs how to get started.
2016-09-16T12:50:29 < _franck__> bootloader launch kernel then nothing
2016-09-16T12:50:57 < _franck__> have to dig up. Does not work out of the box as often ;)
2016-09-16T12:55:27 < owl-v-> how can I provide a power supply with +5V, GND, -5V port for opamp in LTspice?
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2016-09-16T12:57:28 < stvn> buy the pro pack
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2016-09-16T13:01:56 < jpa-> owl-v-: connect two 5V sources in series and the middle point to GND
2016-09-16T13:03:04 < owl-v-> ok
2016-09-16T13:10:49 < Ecco> Guys, I don't remember how LDO works
2016-09-16T13:10:59 < Ecco> do they waste a proportional amount of power?
2016-09-16T13:11:13 < Ecco> i.e. if I draw 10mA it'll waste 1mA and if I draw 100mA it'll waste 10?
2016-09-16T13:11:50 < jpa-> uh mA is not power
2016-09-16T13:11:51 < syke> it has many matrix of mosfets, which are opened by controlling circuit, to keep output voltage stable
2016-09-16T13:11:51 < BrainDamage> no, the current is pretty much the same ( barrying a small lea), the voltage you drop across them is the waste
2016-09-16T13:11:59 < BrainDamage> and power is v*i
2016-09-16T13:12:17 < BrainDamage> they behave like a self adjusting resistor
2016-09-16T13:12:21 < Ecco> ok
2016-09-16T13:12:32 < Ecco> I remember now
2016-09-16T13:12:38 < syke> ldo idea is to keep mosfets fully open or fully closed, but controlling bunch of mosfets open or closed can control output voltage
2016-09-16T13:12:40 < Ecco> Iin is pretty much equal to Iout
2016-09-16T13:12:46 < Ecco> and you waste the Vdrop
2016-09-16T13:12:56 < Ecco> so the total wasted power is I*Vdrop
2016-09-16T13:13:24 < Ecco> so yeah, it's somewhat proportional to the intensity being drawn
2016-09-16T13:13:25 < Ecco> thanks :)
2016-09-16T13:14:23 < BrainDamage> so is the power wasted in a switching regulator for what it matters ...
2016-09-16T13:14:32 < syke> LT3070 might be a good example of modern LDO's
2016-09-16T13:15:14 < BrainDamage> the real difference is that depending on the drop voltage, a LDO can actually be more efficient than a smps
2016-09-16T13:15:24 < BrainDamage> and surely less noisy :p
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2016-09-16T13:16:15 < Ecco> I see
2016-09-16T13:16:19 < Ecco> I found what was wasting power
2016-09-16T13:16:33 < Ecco> I'm using a charge-pump converter to get 5V out of a single-cell LiPo
2016-09-16T13:16:39 < Ecco> quiescent current is 4 mA :-/
2016-09-16T13:20:02 < emeryth> use a 9V battery and 7805 like a pro
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2016-09-16T13:57:56 < Tectu> dongs, did you ever dick around with displayport?
2016-09-16T13:58:59 < stvn> have u seen the boards he makes?
2016-09-16T13:59:19 < Tectu> I only remember some HDMI stuff
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2016-09-16T14:00:27 < stvn> http://abusemark.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=47&zenid=v32mlmk3cdufd1jdjvgj3uhp07
2016-09-16T14:01:27 < stvn> pretty neat hey
2016-09-16T14:02:47 < karlp> damn bois, far too much video linkage overnight!
2016-09-16T14:02:57 < stvn> wut video?
2016-09-16T14:04:31 < karlp> russian road is pretty cool though
2016-09-16T14:05:24 < dongs> Tectu: yeah
2016-09-16T14:10:43 < Tectu> dongs, any idea how hard it would be to put an OSD on an existing display port signal?
2016-09-16T14:12:33 < Laurenceb__> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a1d_1473995702
2016-09-16T14:18:24 < stvn> stm32?
2016-09-16T14:19:28 < Fleck> stm8!
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2016-09-16T14:22:06 < dongs> Tectu: not without fpga
2016-09-16T14:22:18 < dongs> you';ll need receiver to parallel rgb or lvds, overlay, retransmit it back.
2016-09-16T14:22:20 < Tectu> dongs, fpga would be fine
2016-09-16T14:23:01 < dongs> then its simple, received LVDS shit is just raw video
2016-09-16T14:23:05 < Tectu> dongs, how beefy would the FPGA have to be for a 2560x1440? Don't feel like going stratix
2016-09-16T14:23:30 < dongs> it would need to be able to handle at least the pixelclock, probably more?
2016-09-16T14:23:33 < dongs> to actually do anything useful
2016-09-16T14:24:05 < Tectu> yeah, I was wondering whether you can give a rough estimation
2016-09-16T14:24:17 < dongs> calculate pixelclock for 2560
2016-09-16T14:25:24 < dongs> looks like around 220-250mhz
2016-09-16T14:25:28 < Tectu> hmm
2016-09-16T14:26:29 < Tectu> that's gonna cost a bit of money
2016-09-16T14:26:41 < dongs> bunniefag nettv stuff overlayed 1080p on spartan6
2016-09-16T14:26:42 < _franck__> Tectu do you want an external DP to LVDS chip or use internal FPGA's serdes ? If the latest you need to know there is no free solution
2016-09-16T14:26:56 < Tectu> _franck__, that would have been my 2nd question
2016-09-16T14:27:01 < dongs> _franck__: yeah there's lots of dp->lvds stuff
2016-09-16T14:27:08 < dongs> no need to waste fpga space for that
2016-09-16T14:27:12 < _franck__> but not sure for this resolution
2016-09-16T14:27:26 < _franck__> I'm using NXP in one of my project
2016-09-16T14:27:30 < _franck__> only full HD
2016-09-16T14:27:31 < dongs> should be fine
2016-09-16T14:27:38 < dongs> the PTNwhatever?
2016-09-16T14:27:40 < dongs> 6045 or somehting
2016-09-16T14:27:50 < dongs> 3460
2016-09-16T14:27:59 < _franck__> not full HD, 1920x1200
2016-09-16T14:28:05 < _franck__> PTN3460
2016-09-16T14:28:20 < dongs> only 2 lanes
2016-09-16T14:28:40 < dongs> and HBR max
2016-09-16T14:28:43 < dongs> yeah probly not gonna do 2560x
2016-09-16T14:29:15 < dongs> also lvds pixel clock too low
2016-09-16T14:29:22 < dongs> yeah that one wouldnt do
2016-09-16T14:29:52 < Tectu> time to develop a free DP IP :p
2016-09-16T14:29:57 < Tectu> (jk, ofc)
2016-09-16T14:30:55 < dongs> megachips is much less gay with support now
2016-09-16T14:31:01 < dongs> so STDP40x0 is a viable option
2016-09-16T14:31:18 < Tectu> megachips already sounds pretty gay
2016-09-16T14:31:32 < dongs> they were super gay until they realized nobody bought their shit
2016-09-16T14:31:36 < dongs> if they dont try to sell it
2016-09-16T14:31:46 < dongs> tectu the real question is WHY
2016-09-16T14:31:49 < dongs> (youre doing this)
2016-09-16T14:31:55 < dongs> _franck__: what are you doing wiht displayport
2016-09-16T14:32:02 < dongs> unlike Tectu i feel your application is probably more useful
2016-09-16T14:32:17 < _franck__> dongs: display port to SDI
2016-09-16T14:32:22 < dongs> ah
2016-09-16T14:32:52 < dongs> excellent
2016-09-16T14:33:28 < Tectu> dongs, a friend who does FPV aids stuff asked for some OSD shit. For some reason that I still don't understand he doesn't want to inject it where the original video signal is generated
2016-09-16T14:33:38 < dongs> yeah no
2016-09-16T14:33:40 < dongs> tell him to get lost
2016-09-16T14:33:41 < Tectu> I'm not going to touch that. It just got me curious about how difficult it would be
2016-09-16T14:33:49 < Tectu> #undef friend ?
2016-09-16T14:33:59 < _franck__> :)
2016-09-16T14:34:23 < dongs> he will want it for $30
2016-09-16T14:34:27 < dongs> so just say no
2016-09-16T14:34:33 < Tectu> thanks for the advice :D
2016-09-16T14:34:35 < dongs> that's $3k easy of just prototyping if you know what youre doing.
2016-09-16T14:34:47 < Tectu> which I wouldn't
2016-09-16T14:34:53 < Tectu> cuz I don't dick around with that kind of stuff
2016-09-16T14:35:31 < Tectu> _franck__, what about this? https://github.com/hamsternz/FPGA_DisplayPort
2016-09-16T14:35:55 < dongs> no thats shit
2016-09-16T14:36:53 < Tectu> can you elaborate? 
2016-09-16T14:37:04 < dongs> wasting logic gates for no reason
2016-09-16T14:37:05 < Tectu> or is it just your shit detector that started beeping once you saw github.com URL?
2016-09-16T14:37:09 < dongs> yes
2016-09-16T14:38:06 < dongs> err
2016-09-16T14:38:08 < dongs> what hte fuck
2016-09-16T14:38:12 < _franck__> Tectu: I would say: not that bad
2016-09-16T14:38:41 < dongs> ah, it supports HBR only, no RBR. i saw 1.6ghz in todo list, thought wat
2016-09-16T14:38:46 < dongs> 2.7 is ok i guess
2016-09-16T14:39:05 < dongs> anyway, looks boring and you need a $$$$ evalboard to use
2016-09-16T14:39:22 < Tectu> that wouldn't be any problem
2016-09-16T14:39:39 < Tectu> _franck__, btw, are you new?
2016-09-16T14:39:50 < _franck__> new here ?
2016-09-16T14:39:53 < Tectu> yes
2016-09-16T14:40:08 < _franck__> yes I don't use stm32 a lot :)
2016-09-16T14:40:39 < Tectu> welcome to ##stm32 then :)
2016-09-16T14:40:48 < _franck__> thanks
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2016-09-16T14:52:00 < dongs> 1MHz timer, 9ms period, 9000 ticks right?
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2016-09-16T14:56:05 < Laurenceb__> make eye contact with an entire fleshlight before, during, and after before sex.
2016-09-16T14:59:24 < Tectu> dongs, yes that sounds about right
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2016-09-16T15:01:55 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/gFkwp2.jpg
2016-09-16T15:02:31 < jadew> reference to what?
2016-09-16T15:03:44 < Laurenceb__> https://gfycat.com/JollyNaturalHart
2016-09-16T15:03:50 < Laurenceb__> crouching slavs
2016-09-16T15:04:05 < karlp> dongs: 8999 value to enter into tick counter though
2016-09-16T15:04:23 < dongs> well it doesnt need to be that accurate
2016-09-16T15:04:28 < dongs> the captures seem to be +- 10-20 anyway
2016-09-16T15:04:45 < jadew> Laurenceb, what happened there?
2016-09-16T15:04:52 < karlp> the fuck are they doing? trying to stand up a live power pole again?
2016-09-16T15:05:05 < karlp> or did they touch mains with the post or something?
2016-09-16T15:05:18 < dongs> sounds like the latter
2016-09-16T15:05:25 < jadew> that seems rather powerful for regular mains
2016-09-16T15:06:00 < jadew> that's wood, no?
2016-09-16T15:06:31 < jadew> seems like the shock happened in the middle
2016-09-16T15:06:52 < Laurenceb__> it could be rusty metal
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2016-09-16T15:07:37 < jadew> the two guys at the bottom of the pole didn't get shocked
2016-09-16T15:08:01 < jadew> they just got scared from the noise
2016-09-16T15:09:06 < BrainDamage> i'd guess a cable broke and fell on them
2016-09-16T15:09:13 < jadew> on all of them?
2016-09-16T15:09:25 < BrainDamage> it only has to fal on few
2016-09-16T15:10:05 < BrainDamage> actually you can see a cable swinging by in the early part of the video
2016-09-16T15:10:15 < BrainDamage> they probably touched a MV section
2016-09-16T15:10:16 < jadew> don't know, not all of them were touching eachother and they all fell at once
2016-09-16T15:10:20 < jadew> maybe that pole was conductive
2016-09-16T15:10:31 < jadew> and the guys at the bottom didn't get shocked because it was closer to ground
2016-09-16T15:10:47 < jadew> but it would have to have kind of high resistance for that to happen
2016-09-16T15:11:11 < jadew> yeah, I saw the cable too
2016-09-16T15:12:51 < jadew> oh well, lesson learned: never help out
2016-09-16T15:13:19 < PeterM> at 33kv + low impedance you are gonna get one hell of a kick down a wood pole
2016-09-16T15:13:46 < jadew> that would explain why the guys at the bottom didn't get shock too, wouldn't it?
2016-09-16T15:14:04 < PeterM> probs
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2016-09-16T15:15:07 < PeterM> also, 9ms, 1mhz 8999 doesnt make sense
2016-09-16T15:15:24 < PeterM> wouldnt it be like 11100 ticvks or something
2016-09-16T15:16:04 < dongs> nah ticks is like -1 or someshit
2016-09-16T15:16:10 < dongs> just like period and prescaler
2016-09-16T15:16:14 < dongs> so the 899 is  correct
2016-09-16T15:16:25 < dongs> but whatever, just wanted ot make sure it fits into 16bit of stuff
2016-09-16T15:16:54 < dongs> this fucking thing is not working tho, time for gpio debugging with scope and triggering
2016-09-16T15:17:10 < PeterM> *intensifies*
2016-09-16T15:23:58 < Ecco> dongs: I need to power an LCD backlight from a single-celle LiPo. 4 white LEDs, forward voltage is 3.2V, max current 80 mA. I'm using a 5V boost (charge pump) and then a resistor to limit the current. Does that seem like a good idea to you?
2016-09-16T15:24:14 < dongs> no
2016-09-16T15:24:23 < dongs> use TLV61220
2016-09-16T15:24:45 < dongs> or any of the shitty single cell wled drivers
2016-09-16T15:24:45 < Tectu> dongs > octopart
2016-09-16T15:25:10 < Tectu> AP5100 comes to mind
2016-09-16T15:25:16 < Ecco> Any idea of the price of such a part?
2016-09-16T15:26:04 < Tectu> better forget about AP5100 again.
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2016-09-16T15:27:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jmYc9Bo.png cool, its working
2016-09-16T15:30:05 < Tectu> what are you doing, Mr. dongs?
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2016-09-16T15:32:44 < Ecco> dongs: out of curiosity, what would be the issue with the 5V charge pump + resitor?
2016-09-16T15:32:53 < dongs> donno, seems liek a waste?
2016-09-16T15:32:57 < Ecco> (and thank you so much by the way)
2016-09-16T15:33:03 < Ecco> a waste of power?
2016-09-16T15:33:14 < dongs> yeah boost it just to waste it again or somethin
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2016-09-16T15:34:16 < Ecco> indeed
2016-09-16T15:35:25 < Ecco> I've been advised to avoid inductors
2016-09-16T15:35:46 < Ecco> supposedly, those tend to be fragile and can become a pain in the ass when manufacturing
2016-09-16T15:35:59 < Ecco> And are also rather expensive
2016-09-16T15:36:08 < Ecco> Is any of this remotely true?
2016-09-16T15:37:35 < dongs> not since like 1985
2016-09-16T15:37:47 < dongs> you can even get inductors that look like SMD caps/resistors.
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2016-09-16T15:39:37 < dongs> oh yeah got it fixed
2016-09-16T15:39:47 < dongs> helps to shift the data before or'ing with new
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2016-09-16T15:51:17 < PeterM> jpa has an ebike, anyopne else here also have an ebike?
2016-09-16T15:53:48 < jpa-> jpa- does also
2016-09-16T15:53:58 < jpa-> and zyp
2016-09-16T15:55:00 < jadew> what kind of autonomy do they have?
2016-09-16T15:55:02 < PeterM> how powperful are yours
2016-09-16T15:55:14 < PeterM> and zyps?
2016-09-16T15:55:39 < PeterM> iirc yours is liek 500-1000w or something?
2016-09-16T15:56:11 < karlp> does zyp have an ebike as well as an egolf?
2016-09-16T15:58:05 < Ecco> I have an e-scooter
2016-09-16T15:58:08 < Ecco> It's awesome
2016-09-16T15:58:58 < PeterM> scooter like moped, or scooter liek childs toy?
2016-09-16T16:00:25 < jadew> I've seen electric scooters around town (like the toy), they seem pretty cool
2016-09-16T16:00:31 < PeterM> jpa-, does yours require any pedaling aside from to get it rolling?
2016-09-16T16:00:47 < Tectu> zyp got an egolf. he doesn't have an e-bike as far as I know
2016-09-16T16:01:24 < Ecco> scooter like this
2016-09-16T16:01:34 < Ecco> https://www.amazon.fr/E-Twow-Booster-Trottinette-électrique/dp/B01G7BSKF2
2016-09-16T16:02:05 < Ecco> It's really nice
2016-09-16T16:02:09 < Tectu> 10.5 kg
2016-09-16T16:02:09 < PeterM> ahh, yeah, tehy're neat
2016-09-16T16:02:21 < Tectu> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/08/aplusautomation/vendorimages/b114d161-a36d-42da-b596-1f2e7badf700.jpg._CB270779985__SR300,300_.jpg
2016-09-16T16:02:23 < Ecco> It may seem a bit heavy, but thing is, you barely ever lift it
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2016-09-16T16:02:31 < Tectu> wouldn't look that smooth with an 11kg scooter in my hand
2016-09-16T16:02:33 < Ecco> I do this all the time
2016-09-16T16:02:36 < Ecco> It's not that heavy
2016-09-16T16:02:40 < Tectu> ok
2016-09-16T16:02:44 < Ecco> You only lift it when you get back home for example
2016-09-16T16:02:45 < PeterM> 11kg isnt that heavy\
2016-09-16T16:02:54 < Ecco> I wouldn't lift it for 10 mins
2016-09-16T16:03:04 < Ecco> but for a couple minutes, it's really not an issue
2016-09-16T16:03:10 < Tectu> PeterM, it's pretty uncomfortable to have 11kg in your hand for several minutes
2016-09-16T16:03:25 < Tectu> unless you're the rock
2016-09-16T16:03:30 < Ecco> Yeah, thing is, you never lift it that long
2016-09-16T16:03:47 < Ecco> I use that thing every day
2016-09-16T16:03:54 < Ecco> I love it
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2016-09-16T16:04:17 < PeterM> Tectu maybe for you but its fine for me, over around 20kg things get uncomfortable for extended periods
2016-09-16T16:04:26 < Ecco> There's really something magical to this
2016-09-16T16:04:30 < emeryth> does it make future car noises?
2016-09-16T16:04:42 < Ecco> Well I'm sure you could hook up a nice amp to the batteries :)
2016-09-16T16:04:54 < Tectu> PeterM, well, yeah. I wouldn't be lifting 20kg for a long period of time while still looking smooth
2016-09-16T16:05:32 < Ecco> Regarding SMD inductors
2016-09-16T16:05:49 < Ecco> what are their price range?
2016-09-16T16:05:53 < Ecco> I know that's a very vague question
2016-09-16T16:06:05 < Ecco> but for a typical 4.7 uH SMD one
2016-09-16T16:06:13 < Ecco> the price on mouser seems to be around a dollar
2016-09-16T16:06:16 < Tectu> Ecco, just look at mouser/digitec/farnell....
2016-09-16T16:06:20 < karlp> Ecco: the fuck, that scooter is 1000 euro!
2016-09-16T16:06:20 < PeterM> like $0.2
2016-09-16T16:06:32 < Tectu> karlp, I was wondering about that too
2016-09-16T16:06:39 < Ecco> karlp: Yeah it's expensive, but it's awesome
2016-09-16T16:06:50 < Tectu> like hookers
2016-09-16T16:06:52 < Ecco> I replaces a car or a subway subscription
2016-09-16T16:06:54 < Ecco> it
2016-09-16T16:07:29 < Ecco> Also it saves me 20 minutes every single day
2016-09-16T16:07:33 < karlp> I could buy an ebike for tha tmoney and have regular panniers and shit
2016-09-16T16:07:44 < stvn> Tectu, :3
2016-09-16T16:07:58 < Tectu> PeterM, can you please go over to stvn's place and slap him?
2016-09-16T16:08:34  * karlp decides not t look at the exchange rates at what 1000 euro actually gets him in bike world locally
2016-09-16T16:08:50 < Ecco> The reason I picked this over a bike
2016-09-16T16:09:05 < BrainDamage> i'd support that, but you need to record the slap and put it on youtube
2016-09-16T16:09:07 < Ecco> 1/ You don't need to park it. Once folded it's very small, you can put it under your desk/table
2016-09-16T16:09:17 < Ecco> 2/ It's allowed on the sidewalk, which is safer
2016-09-16T16:09:44 < Ecco> BrainDamage: I'd fund that :)
2016-09-16T16:11:37 < karlp> that hamsternz dude has an fpga webserver...
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2016-09-16T16:16:20 < Tectu> who?
2016-09-16T16:17:51 < BrainDamage> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00036.html shit laurenceb faps over
2016-09-16T16:21:10 < Ecco> Freaking faggots
2016-09-16T16:21:24 < Thorn> what are these used for? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ojg37NzYYw
2016-09-16T16:21:51 < Ecco> I have no idea. Looks rad though.
2016-09-16T16:21:59 < Thorn> only for audio?
2016-09-16T16:22:02 < emeryth> for dynamic signal analysis, duh
2016-09-16T16:22:35 < sync> usual suspects are accels on bearings
2016-09-16T16:22:41 < sync> so that you can look for fucked up stuff
2016-09-16T16:23:06 < BrainDamage> waterfalls are also useful in radio development
2016-09-16T16:23:07 < Thorn> are normal spectrum analyzers static or something?
2016-09-16T16:23:23 < BrainDamage> normal you see the instant spectrum
2016-09-16T16:23:44 < BrainDamage> the waterfall instead gives you a bit of history, but you lose quantitative information
2016-09-16T16:23:48 < Thorn> there're also "real time spectrum analyzers", I believe these are used for radio
2016-09-16T16:24:06 < Thorn> they cost 6-7 figures
2016-09-16T16:24:06 < sync> mostly for emi
2016-09-16T16:24:08 < BrainDamage> so normal specan is quantitative, and waterfall is qualitative
2016-09-16T16:24:38 < PeterM> dsas are usually got dc-1mhz but are very high dynamic range (or atleast the ones ive seen, they may be old though)
2016-09-16T16:24:49 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dV4gLlGbq0
2016-09-16T16:25:23 < BrainDamage> real time specan are basically large downconverter block + fft
2016-09-16T16:25:46 < BrainDamage> worse NF but you get crapload of spectum at once
2016-09-16T16:26:02 < sync> well, some are also direct sampling
2016-09-16T16:26:42 < sync> I think tdemi has direct conversion to 2GHz and then downmixers and direct conversion at 2GHz
2016-09-16T16:26:51 < sync> and an assload of fpgas in there
2016-09-16T16:27:28 < BrainDamage> i find the multi stage heterodine still kinda cute
2016-09-16T16:27:50 < BrainDamage> until you need high RBW and then you need to wait 2 min to span a large range
2016-09-16T16:30:01 < dongs> d o n g s
2016-09-16T16:31:33 < PeterM> sup
2016-09-16T16:33:21 < dongs> coding
2016-09-16T16:33:48 < PeterM> thats preobably the worst part of ee
2016-09-16T16:34:01 < PeterM> even math is better than writing software
2016-09-16T16:34:20 < dongs> i really like it but my assburgers isnt helping
2016-09-16T16:35:05 < PeterM> i see... i can't stand it
2016-09-16T16:35:14 < PeterM> but each to their own
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2016-09-16T16:40:26 < dongs> its awesome making shit work wiht proper tools
2016-09-16T16:40:33 < dongs> i'm sure if i had to use gnu/gcc I would hate it too
2016-09-16T16:42:29 < Thorn> I'm sure your $6000 horribly slow and obsolete compiler is the tool for the job mr. dongs
2016-09-16T16:42:48 < dongs> armcc is far from slow
2016-09-16T16:43:58 < Tectu> I used ARMCC a lot and I'm pretty happy with it
2016-09-16T17:02:20 < Thorn> lol listen to the tracking generator https://youtu.be/Nln9I5EoR2Y?t=2m39s
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2016-09-16T17:13:44 < Rob235> hey
2016-09-16T17:14:19 < Tectu> Mr. Prop, how is you?
2016-09-16T17:14:37 < Steffanx> *Robby X
2016-09-16T17:14:58 < Rob235> not bad, trying to wake up so I can finish this stupid autotune that's driving me crazy :)
2016-09-16T17:15:03 < Rob235> how are you guys doin
2016-09-16T17:15:14 < Tectu> it's 16:15, you should already be up for several hours
2016-09-16T17:15:34 < Rob235> 10:15 here
2016-09-16T17:15:38 < Steffanx> Yeah adult working day is almost over.
2016-09-16T17:15:41 < Tectu> Rob235, wanna come to my place for some vacation? You'd like it here. They opened a gaping shop.
2016-09-16T17:16:00 < dongs> gayping shop
2016-09-16T17:16:03 < Rob235> Tectu: where do you live again?
2016-09-16T17:16:24 < Tectu> err, vaping
2016-09-16T17:16:28 < BrainDamage> wtf is  gaping shop, do i want to kno
2016-09-16T17:16:31 < BrainDamage> ah
2016-09-16T17:16:31 < Tectu> VAPING
2016-09-16T17:16:33 < Tectu> :D
2016-09-16T17:16:42 < Tectu> Rob235, Switzerland, 3900
2016-09-16T17:16:46 < BrainDamage> ok, so you just had a freudian lapsus
2016-09-16T17:17:02 < Rob235> 3900?
2016-09-16T17:17:14 < Tectu> postal code
2016-09-16T17:17:19 < Rob235> ahhh
2016-09-16T17:17:22 < Rob235> I'll come to swiss land
2016-09-16T17:17:30 < Tectu> +1 for using swissland
2016-09-16T17:17:47 < Tectu> the force is strong in this one, Steffanx 
2016-09-16T17:17:52 < Rob235> sounds cold though
2016-09-16T17:17:57 < dongs> gaping shop is like hello.jpg i guess
2016-09-16T17:17:59 < Rob235> I don't like cold
2016-09-16T17:18:20 < Tectu> it just started cooling down. used to be 27C during the day for the past couple of weeks
2016-09-16T17:18:41 < Tectu> there u go... "red vape" https://www.red-vape.ch/
2016-09-16T17:19:01 < Tectu> they opened the shop where there used to be a gothic shop that closed down
2016-09-16T17:19:39 < Rob235> Tectu: I think the website designer had a stroke.  None of the words make sense :)
2016-09-16T17:19:56 < Tectu> that's what you get from vaping
2016-09-16T17:20:56 < Steffanx> Better dab.
2016-09-16T17:21:21 < Tectu> lol, I love how they also sell syringes with hypodermic needles...
2016-09-16T17:21:34 < Rob235> most vape places do
2016-09-16T17:21:36 < Rob235> at least online
2016-09-16T17:21:42 < Rob235> I have a bunch of em
2016-09-16T17:21:45 < Tectu> that tells the story
2016-09-16T17:21:55 < Rob235> its good for measuring hah
2016-09-16T17:22:34 < karlp> for rob and readerrror http://achewood.com/index.php?date=09092016
2016-09-16T17:23:40 < Tectu> > You just have to dose correctly
2016-09-16T17:25:00 < Rob235> :)
2016-09-16T17:32:39 < Rob235> axis_counter = 0; ///////////////// WHY THESE COUNTERS, WHEN THERE IS ummmmmmm RAINBOW ROAD!
2016-09-16T17:32:43 < Rob235> hmm, something I wrote yesterday
2016-09-16T17:33:23 < aandrew> Rob235: quit coding when dropping E
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2016-09-16T17:37:31 < Tectu> oh boy
2016-09-16T17:37:38 < Tectu> better don't come and visit
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2016-09-16T17:39:13 < Rob235> isn't it a miracle that this thing actually flies? :)
2016-09-16T17:41:38 < dongs> how much code did you copypaste
2016-09-16T17:41:42 < dongs> from tarduino & co
2016-09-16T17:42:10 < Tectu> dongscode.io
2016-09-16T17:42:14 < Rob235> psh
2016-09-16T17:45:52 < Rob235> will acetone affect carbon fiber?
2016-09-16T17:48:18 < karlp> englishman: had a bit of hiatus, back again this year, somehwat more regularly again
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2016-09-16T17:50:00 < dongs> wasnt funny in the first couple frame,s page closed
2016-09-16T17:50:11 < dongs> like who teh fuck is leary?
2016-09-16T17:51:16 < karlp> timothy
2016-09-16T17:51:45 < dongs> who
2016-09-16T17:51:52 < karlp> the one after is perhaps more open for new comers, but yeah, achewood's not exactly for the faint of heart
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2016-09-16T18:05:11 < zyp> Tectu, I've got both
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2016-09-16T18:08:07 < Tectu> zyp, ah!
2016-09-16T18:09:46 < PeterM> zyp how much powah on your bike
2016-09-16T18:10:04 < BrainDamage> ten
2016-09-16T18:10:20 < PeterM> ten powah?
2016-09-16T18:10:24 < PeterM> sheesh
2016-09-16T18:11:45 < dongs> over 9000.
2016-09-16T18:11:54 < sync> Gotta be careful
2016-09-16T18:14:56 < Tectu> Qi charged
2016-09-16T18:15:02 < zyp> just 250W
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2016-09-16T18:30:31 < jpa-> PeterM: it's configured as pedal assist and just 250W; but it can start with motor only if i wanted it to
2016-09-16T18:31:20 < jpa-> (geared motor, 1:11 transmission)
2016-09-16T18:32:15 < karlp> if you're looking for one that you don't need to pedal for, what's the advantage of ebike style over just electric scooter: (moped?) style?
2016-09-16T18:32:37 < dongs> maybe legality?
2016-09-16T18:32:40 < jpa-> perhaps some legal differences, yeah
2016-09-16T18:33:11 < kakimir> someone had electric bicycle on mountain bike frame here
2016-09-16T18:33:35 < karlp> kakimir: isn't that what we're talking about for jpa/zyps "ebikes" ?
2016-09-16T18:33:38 < jpa-> IIRC in finland you can drive 1000W non-assist ebike on bike paths if you jump through some hoops
2016-09-16T18:33:43 < kakimir> he did 120-130kmh
2016-09-16T18:34:01 < jpa-> like you need to get some insurance for it
2016-09-16T18:34:04 < kakimir> claimed*
2016-09-16T18:34:17 < dongs> unlikely
2016-09-16T18:34:24 < kakimir> also said that 30km
2016-09-16T18:34:26 < jpa-> pedal assist range claims are funny in that it depends only on how much assist you select
2016-09-16T18:34:42 < jpa-> ah 120-130km/h, not km range :P
2016-09-16T18:34:52 < jpa-> yeah, unlikely, but possible if one is crazy
2016-09-16T18:34:57 < PeterM> karlp ride comfort, it nto being fucking weird on the grass etc
2016-09-16T18:35:18 < karlp> you prefer the ride of a mountainbike style than a vespa/moped style?
2016-09-16T18:35:19 < dongs> kikemir, was tehre a mr.fusion sticking out the back?
2016-09-16T18:35:32 < kakimir> mountain bike frame and helmet on
2016-09-16T18:35:42 < dongs> to get 30km range @ 100kmh ebike without making it weigh over 9000kg
2016-09-16T18:35:42 < BrainDamage> i've met few on ebikes on the trails, they had quite the advantage uphill but downhill they couldn't hold a candle
2016-09-16T18:35:42 < kakimir> what would be the peoblems
2016-09-16T18:35:52 < PeterM> karlp yes, larger rear tire means less sensitive t op poor terrain
2016-09-16T18:36:04 < kakimir> 30km was probably on xruise speed
2016-09-16T18:36:13 < sync> BrainDamage: ye, they are a joke
2016-09-16T18:36:28 < karlp> what's wrong with them downhill? heavier ==> faster right?
2016-09-16T18:36:41 < sync> More polar inertia
2016-09-16T18:36:47 < BrainDamage> weight distribution makes hard to turn
2016-09-16T18:36:48 < jpa-> atleast on mine, too much unsprung mass to go over large bumps
2016-09-16T18:37:07 < BrainDamage> and you handle bumps worse
2016-09-16T18:37:09 < dongs> my fourwheeler would get 30km on ~75kg of leadacid batts
2016-09-16T18:37:49 < sync> Means less agile
2016-09-16T18:38:07 < karlp> fair enough thanks :)
2016-09-16T18:38:59 < sync> Although e mx bikes suck hard
2016-09-16T18:39:16 < sync> No power and range
2016-09-16T18:39:51 < jpa-> probably just poorly designed for the purpose.. motor integrated in e.g. bottom bracket could probably be better
2016-09-16T18:40:02 < jpa-> like the sports cheaters use :P
2016-09-16T18:40:23 < BrainDamage> the cheaters' engine is actually in the frame
2016-09-16T18:40:28 < BrainDamage> there's a tranmission to the bb
2016-09-16T18:41:14 < jpa-> true
2016-09-16T18:41:55 < PeterM> http://media.oglaf.com/comic/incubus.jpg
2016-09-16T18:45:42 < aandrew> ^^ peterm's secret to his sexiness
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2016-09-16T18:49:34 < Laurenceb> https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/09/16/1521244/russia-bans-pornhub-youporn---tells-citizens-to-meet-someone-in-real-life
2016-09-16T18:49:45 < Laurenceb> hahah Putin continues to troll
2016-09-16T18:49:49 < dongs> sound advice
2016-09-16T18:50:42 < Steffanx> Old.
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2016-09-16T19:08:19 < ReadErr> Laurenceb: those chinese pumps are really nice
2016-09-16T19:08:44 < ReadErr> the peristaltic ones w/ the stepper
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2016-09-16T19:09:36 < Laurenceb> cool, got one running?
2016-09-16T19:10:07 < ReadErr> spinning dry
2016-09-16T19:10:20 < ReadErr> the housing supports a nema23 too it looks like
2016-09-16T19:10:25 < ReadErr> but comes w/ a 17
2016-09-16T19:11:08 < sync> Nice
2016-09-16T19:11:39 < ReadErr> less risk of a fire w/ the stepper too 
2016-09-16T19:11:49 < ReadErr> if anything volatile is in the air
2016-09-16T19:12:18 < ReadErr> super easy to open up and change tubing 
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2016-09-16T19:29:55 < sync> Which shits did you get after all ReadErr?
2016-09-16T19:31:42 < ReadErr> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291823200083
2016-09-16T19:33:19 < ReadErr> I need to find some good silica/fiberglass resistance wire still though
2016-09-16T19:33:30 < ReadErr> jpa pointed me towards some sleeving 
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2016-09-16T19:51:07 < Rob235> wow, pid autotune is finally taking shape, cant wait to finish
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2016-09-16T20:00:15 < Tectu> that's a pretty neat pump
2016-09-16T20:02:08 < Tectu> I guess in his case he'd need this to pump: https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--14XLv6Im--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18mlxbjjd7wlijpg.jpg
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2016-09-16T20:05:22 < Tectu> comment est-ce que ca va, ma petite peripateticenne?
2016-09-16T20:11:52 < ReadErr> you aint pumpin until you pull 29.5in/Hg 
2016-09-16T20:11:55 < ReadErr> -
2016-09-16T20:12:25 < Tectu> in/Hg, seriously? -__-
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2016-09-16T20:13:22 < ReadErr> uhh thats the standard my friend
2016-09-16T20:14:11 < Tectu> mm/Hg if anything
2016-09-16T20:14:22 < Tectu> Mr. Hg was italian, I'm pretty sure he didn't fag around with imperial
2016-09-16T20:14:25 < Tectu> BrainDamage, might correct me though
2016-09-16T20:15:54 < ReadErr> Tectu: pneumatics are still done in inches mostly 
2016-09-16T20:15:59 < ReadErr> do you use PSI ?
2016-09-16T20:16:03 < ReadErr> when filling your tires
2016-09-16T20:16:05 < Tectu> of course not
2016-09-16T20:16:07 < Tectu> bar
2016-09-16T20:16:19 < Tectu> or pascal if shit hits the fan
2016-09-16T20:16:21 < BrainDamage> torricelli was italian but SI didn't exist back then
2016-09-16T20:16:45 < BrainDamage> they had something kinda close to imperial actually
2016-09-16T20:16:55 < Tectu> tell me more
2016-09-16T20:17:26 < ReadErr> so europeans all use bar for tire pressure?
2016-09-16T20:18:11 < BrainDamage> yes
2016-09-16T20:18:29 < BrainDamage> but most piping is ideed in imperial sizes
2016-09-16T20:18:39 < BrainDamage> while nuts and bolts not
2016-09-16T20:19:11 < ReadErr> right i use metric hardware mostly 
2016-09-16T20:19:20 < Tectu> pipes too?
2016-09-16T20:19:28 < ReadErr> but everything I have regarding pressure is in inches
2016-09-16T20:19:29 < Tectu> because as BrainDamage said especially pipe stuff is still imperial around here
2016-09-16T20:20:07 < BrainDamage> pressure is either bar or pascal here, rarely mmHg
2016-09-16T20:20:38 < Tectu> yeah, I've only seen mmHg during physics class/lectures
2016-09-16T20:20:57 < Tectu> meteology uses pascal too
2016-09-16T20:20:58 < BrainDamage> even weather report is in PA
2016-09-16T20:21:19 < Tectu> bar <--> pascal is quite easy so...
2016-09-16T20:21:23 < BrainDamage> yup
2016-09-16T20:21:42 < upgrdman> pascal is the metric unit, right? who uses bar?
2016-09-16T20:22:08 < BrainDamage> hydraulic stuff and colloquial measurements like car tires
2016-09-16T20:22:20 < Tectu> imperial lenghs are just fucking ugly... I mean if I hear/read/see shit like  5/16  I basically just shit my pants and run away
2016-09-16T20:22:22 < BrainDamage> iirc bar is SI accepted
2016-09-16T20:22:26 < upgrdman> psi for tires i nthe usa, so euro uses bar for tires?
2016-09-16T20:22:38 < BrainDamage> 1 bar = 10^5 Pa
2016-09-16T20:22:54 < Tectu> bar is not part of the SI system. My mechanics teacher always threw stuff at me when I used bar during class
2016-09-16T20:23:09 < BrainDamage> ah not SI accepted, still a metric unit
2016-09-16T20:23:11 < upgrdman> so 1 bar = 1MPa?
2016-09-16T20:23:18 < BrainDamage> 0.1MPa
2016-09-16T20:23:28 < upgrdman> oops ya
2016-09-16T20:23:55 < BrainDamage> it's also handy because 1 bar = air pressure at STD, and 10m water column = 1bar
2016-09-16T20:24:06 < Tectu> jup
2016-09-16T20:25:22 < upgrdman> std = 25C at sea level?
2016-09-16T20:25:29 < BrainDamage> yup
2016-09-16T20:25:34 < upgrdman> k
2016-09-16T20:25:53 < BrainDamage> sea level is a bit weird definition btw
2016-09-16T20:26:05 < BrainDamage> it's actually more complex than you'd think
2016-09-16T20:26:29 < Tectu> is "std" just short for "standard" ?
2016-09-16T20:26:36 < Tectu> (in this case)
2016-09-16T20:26:46 < BrainDamage> yes
2016-09-16T20:27:15 < Tectu> are you going to elaborate on the complexity thing? I just got my pizza out of the oven.
2016-09-16T20:28:06 < BrainDamage> because the ocean level is affected by the gravitational pull of the mass, whenever a piece of earth has or not land / mountains above has different sea height
2016-09-16T20:28:30 < Steffanx> Better dont mention you are eating frozen pizza to this italian guy Tectu
2016-09-16T20:28:35 < BrainDamage> so the definition accounts for that and uses the 0 of sea level accountign the grav pull
2016-09-16T20:29:10 < BrainDamage> so it's not a simple sphere but the 0 varies on the location
2016-09-16T20:30:21 < Laurenceb> http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/containing/2975076
2016-09-16T20:30:24 < Laurenceb> top trollin
2016-09-16T20:31:27 < Steffanx> i can show you some top trolling, but you wont like that.
2016-09-16T20:34:07 < Tectu> BrainDamage, are you a mechanical engineer?
2016-09-16T20:34:22 < BrainDamage> no, EE
2016-09-16T20:34:50 < Laurenceb> this gunna be good
2016-09-16T20:34:52 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPv0VZcvm4Q
2016-09-16T20:35:10 < Laurenceb> inb4 cuzza feminism
2016-09-16T20:35:16 < Tectu> Steffanx, now? go?
2016-09-16T20:35:30 < Laurenceb> We all know the real cause. Anita Sarkeesian
2016-09-16T20:35:33 < Laurenceb> irl lulld
2016-09-16T20:39:15 < ReadErr> i dont know who any of these people are
2016-09-16T20:39:29 < ReadErr> Laurence/b/ is heavily invovled with online lolitics
2016-09-16T20:43:48 < Steffanx> he is just a heaviliy involved feminist,  he is not man enough to admit.
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2016-09-16T20:56:11 < Laurenceb> these guys dont piss about
2016-09-16T20:56:13 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6895633,-0.4252524,22z/data=!3m1!1e3
2016-09-16T20:56:29 < Laurenceb> no wonder movies cost billions
2016-09-16T21:04:00 < Laurenceb> prob some shit superhero capeshit
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2016-09-16T21:04:43 < Laurenceb> looks like they destabilised the side of the railway cutting
2016-09-16T21:05:25 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30981.0;attach=1370690;image
2016-09-16T21:05:35 < Laurenceb>  *x-files theme*
2016-09-16T21:07:51 < Steffanx> stop autism Laurenceb. Learn to think there is more then whats in your head. In short: WTF is that?
2016-09-16T21:08:11 < Laurenceb> anomaly in enhanced video
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2016-09-16T21:18:40 < Rob235> this autotune thing is alive, it just keeps expanding
2016-09-16T21:28:51 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sLr2SY7CfQ <<<< ultimate hot glue usage! :p
2016-09-16T21:29:32 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/zKeqQRV hahahaha
2016-09-16T21:33:26 < Laurenceb> accurate
2016-09-16T21:34:03 < Laurenceb> also https://marcleacock1.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/iraq-poster-yel.gif
2016-09-16T21:53:20 < kakimir> Fleck: why?
2016-09-16T21:53:31 < Fleck> why what?
2016-09-16T21:54:32 < kakimir> waste time watching that
2016-09-16T21:55:04 < Fleck> you don't!
2016-09-16T22:07:07 < Fleck> suggest good video kakimir
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2016-09-16T22:11:20 < Tectu> > Windows 10 makes a good steak. But it tells EVERYONE about it. Then 12 years later some bit-h named "Cortana" tries to ruin your credibility when you told people you were a vegetarian "back in the day".  Cortana is evil. (she sleeps with google)  :yucky:
2016-09-16T22:11:22 < Tectu> what?
2016-09-16T22:13:10 < Tectu> also waste of hot glue
2016-09-16T22:13:17 < PaulFertser> btw, I have to admit the "Performance monitor" included since w7 or probably vista is a nice tool. Still missing some of the features SysInternals' ProcessExplorer offers, why? Why don't they include all of that in stock image? 
2016-09-16T22:13:36 < Tectu> Hey Paul
2016-09-16T22:14:08 < PaulFertser> :)
2016-09-16T22:14:37 < Tectu> PaulFertser, do you happen to remember what Samsung CPU/SoC that was I was trying to debug with OpenOCD like two or three years ago?
2016-09-16T22:14:58 < PaulFertser> Tectu: s3c24xx iirc, I can look up the logs.
2016-09-16T22:15:48 < Tectu> PaulFertser, don't worry, but thanks!
2016-09-16T22:16:51 < Steffanx> such question Tectu.
2016-09-16T22:17:59 < Tectu> It would take me about 15 minutes to get that board out. I was sure that Mr. PaulFertser would remember.
2016-09-16T22:18:01 < Fleck> waste? who cares about that Tectu? :P
2016-09-16T22:18:15 < Tectu> Fleck, yeah, you got a point there
2016-09-16T22:18:17 < Steffanx> Yes, its f*cking cheap.
2016-09-16T22:18:54 < Tectu> not here it's not
2016-09-16T22:19:05 < Steffanx> Yes it is
2016-09-16T22:19:06 < Tectu> here we refer to it as the "liquid gold"
2016-09-16T22:19:11 < Steffanx> you just used the wrong sources.
2016-09-16T22:19:16 < Tectu> some people get their salaries in form of hot-glue sticks
2016-09-16T22:19:17 < PaulFertser> Tectu: no idea why I miss that in the logs but it was some s3c for sure.
2016-09-16T22:19:18 < Fleck> it's cheap here
2016-09-16T22:19:35 < Tectu> PaulFertser, thanks for looking. I don't keep logs and I regret it right now :p
2016-09-16T22:19:41 < Tectu> Fleck, I'm just trolling, btw :p
2016-09-16T22:20:26 < Steffanx> Stop drugs Tectu
2016-09-16T22:20:41 < Tectu> better send some more instead
2016-09-16T22:20:45 < PaulFertser> Tectu: I'm keeping logs since 03 nov 2014 but we discussed that chip before that time.
2016-09-16T22:20:59 < Tectu> PaulFertser, yes, indeed. Such a long time ago :(
2016-09-16T22:21:11 < Tectu> should get that board out again. had a very nice display on it
2016-09-16T22:21:16 < Tectu> s/had/has
2016-09-16T22:21:22 < Steffanx> Tectu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsifLPFAxjE
2016-09-16T22:21:50 < Tectu> who the hell is alfred?
2016-09-16T22:22:18 < Steffanx> You better watch the dark knight trilogy.
2016-09-16T22:22:34 < Tectu> ok, I'll put it on the ToDo list
2016-09-16T22:22:46 < Tectu> haven't done anything today but watching Mr. Bruce Willis beating up terrorist (die hard)
2016-09-16T22:27:06 < Rob235> you haven't seen dark knight trilogy? what's wrong with you!
2016-09-16T22:27:25 < Steffanx> Yes. Something is wrong with him.
2016-09-16T22:27:45 < Tectu> I'm not into that super hero stuff
2016-09-16T22:28:03 < Rob235> but its christopher nolan
2016-09-16T22:28:28 < Steffanx> it's not the typical super hero stuff, FAAAAR from that Tectu
2016-09-16T22:29:09 < Tectu> ok, good to know.
2016-09-16T22:29:16 < Tectu> I'll purchase next time I go to the city
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2016-09-16T22:29:33 < Steffanx> Yes, because the internet is for porn.
2016-09-16T22:30:04 < Tectu> and people that use the word "wincrap" 
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2016-09-16T22:30:16 < Tectu> Fleck <3
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2016-09-16T22:31:15 < Fleck> you big baby
2016-09-16T22:32:59 < Tectu> aw :(
2016-09-16T22:33:26 < Steffanx> but we still ove you.
2016-09-16T22:33:28 < Steffanx> love
2016-09-16T22:33:31 < Tectu> aww :3
2016-09-16T22:34:11 < Fleck> don't speak for others Steffanx
2016-09-16T22:34:53 < Steffanx> Fleck: Pluralis majestatis
2016-09-16T22:34:53 < Tectu> papa steffan asid you have to love me, so better love me.
2016-09-16T22:36:39 < Tectu> PaulFertser, do you remember whether that was an issue with OpenOCD or just me being retarded?
2016-09-16T22:36:50 < Fleck> ofc 2nd...
2016-09-16T22:36:54 < Rob235> BREAK TIME
2016-09-16T22:36:56 < Rob235> oops sorry
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2016-09-16T22:37:44 < Tectu> did you break them again, Mr. vape?
2016-09-16T22:38:41 < Rob235> nuttin brukin
2016-09-16T22:39:33 < Steffanx> Better make a rap Robby X.
2016-09-16T22:39:54 < Tectu> include the term 'gaping shop'
2016-09-16T22:41:01 < Tectu> Rob235, tell me, why do americans require 10010820918234 different forms filled out before they can send free money to some swisslander?
2016-09-16T22:42:00 < Rob235> not sure what you're talking about, cant you just use western union?
2016-09-16T22:44:33 < Tectu> not going to touch that.
2016-09-16T22:45:29 < Fleck> Tectu: btw, how about ppl who say "lunix" ? Ohh, I bet you don't make fun of them. You are ass-kisser? Or just chicken-hearted?
2016-09-16T22:45:29 < Fleck>  
2016-09-16T22:45:36 < Emil> Tectu: Why not use paypal/bank transfer?
2016-09-16T22:45:56 < Emil> IBAN numbered bank transfers are easy as fuck to do
2016-09-16T22:46:11 < Tectu> Fleck, hmm. Actually you got a point there.
2016-09-16T22:46:41 < Tectu> Emil, this is a US Company -> CH Company bank transfer. And they require different official US forms like some W-8xxx stuff
2016-09-16T22:46:53 < Emil> wat :D
2016-09-16T22:46:58 < Emil> Sounds silly as fuck
2016-09-16T22:47:16 < Emil> Especially if it is such buying shit
2016-09-16T22:47:44 < Steffanx> lol are you butt hurt easily Fleck?
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2016-09-16T22:48:02 < Fleck> try me Steffanx
2016-09-16T22:48:10 < Tectu> Emil, yeah. not sure what's going on there.
2016-09-16T22:48:46 < Steffanx> Soon, Fleck, soon.
2016-09-16T22:49:06 < Tectu> Emil, are you from trumpland?
2016-09-16T22:49:37 < Tectu> Emil, they require stuff like W-8BEN and other things
2016-09-16T22:52:09 < ReadErr> Tectu: they have to account for it
2016-09-16T22:52:18 < ReadErr> Tax reasons
2016-09-16T22:53:16 < Tectu> but the top of the W-8BEN form states:  "Do NOT use this form if you are NOT an individual"
2016-09-16T22:53:33 < Tectu> I told them that this is a legit company based in switzerland. not some one-man kiddo shit.
2016-09-16T22:53:40 < Tectu> yet they told me to just fill it out
2016-09-16T22:54:01 < Tectu> -__-
2016-09-16T22:54:31 < Tectu> better let trump make it great again
2016-09-16T22:54:58 < Steffanx> so be stubborn and dont fill it out Tectu
2016-09-16T22:55:07 < Tectu> I like money too much for that, Steffanx 
2016-09-16T22:55:18 < Steffanx> who'll get in trouble when shit is wrong?
2016-09-16T22:55:20 < Tectu> or rather the bread it puts me on the table so I don't have to die like a twat
2016-09-16T22:57:08 < Emil> Tectu: hellll no
2016-09-16T22:57:23 < Emil> Funland is where I'm from
2016-09-16T22:57:40 < Steffanx> another finnisher.. oh no
2016-09-16T22:57:47 < Tectu> was that a typo?
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2016-09-16T23:02:56 < kakimir> funland - the best land
2016-09-16T23:11:24 < kakimir> Emil: TKKers huh?
2016-09-16T23:12:20 < kakimir> I still have degree place there apparently
2016-09-16T23:13:16 < Tectu> Does Mr. Canada use Fahrenheit?
2016-09-16T23:14:48 < Tectu> zyp, around?
2016-09-16T23:17:27 < kakimir> I always wonder if canada is usa's bitch
2016-09-16T23:19:50 < Tectu> like finnland is sweden's?
2016-09-16T23:20:12 < kakimir> it kind of has been many times
2016-09-16T23:20:49 < Tectu> yeah, some swedish autism kid told me all bout it a couple of weeks ago on skype
2016-09-16T23:21:00 < kakimir> still then damn swedes keep influencing our politics!
2016-09-16T23:23:41 < kakimir> there is one party in parlament that has to always have certain minimum number of seats - the swedes people party
2016-09-16T23:24:19 < Tectu> wtf?!?!?!
2016-09-16T23:25:57 < kakimir> I think it's in law
2016-09-16T23:26:27 < kakimir> I don't think it has ever been enforced
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2016-09-16T23:27:27 < Emil> Steffanx: ;)
2016-09-16T23:27:44 < Emil> kakimir: it is the Wave University nowadays!
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2016-09-16T23:28:01 < Emil> kakimir: and if you have a degree place here then use it!
2016-09-16T23:28:13 < Emil> Tectu: hey now, thats not cool
2016-09-16T23:29:01 < kakimir> I think "Aalto" is as proper noun
2016-09-16T23:29:16 < Emil> You take alö the fun from this
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2016-09-16T23:29:58 < Emil> But yeah, at slafka atm <3
2016-09-16T23:30:23 < Emil> About to write a ps/2 to usb keyboard bridge
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2016-09-16T23:31:42 < Emil> kakimir: why havent you used the place btw?
2016-09-16T23:32:51 < kakimir> slept on lectures and IRCed all nigth
2016-09-16T23:36:05 < Emil> Haha
2016-09-16T23:36:29 < Emil> You could also have irced through the lectures and the nights
2016-09-16T23:37:31 < Emil> kakimir: which program were you in? I presume the glorious sähkö but you never know
2016-09-16T23:37:57 < kakimir> kone
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2016-09-16T23:38:49 < Emil> Well, that is a lot of questions
2016-09-16T23:39:40 < upgrdman> is there a name for command line spinning progress indicators that look like:  | \ - / | \ ... over time?
2016-09-16T23:42:47 < upgrdman> nm, found it https://humanfriendly.readthedocs.io/en/latest/_images/spinner-with-progress.gif
2016-09-16T23:56:36 < kakimir> chinks have problems selling proper big pin dc plugs for meh
2016-09-16T23:57:26 < kakimir> male ones that have that spring loaded center not that solid bullshit
2016-09-16T23:58:38 < kakimir> is 2.5mm the big one or is there some bigger one?
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2016-09-17T00:05:37 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-Pcs-5-5mm-x-2-5mm-DC-Power-Male-Plug-Jack-Solder-Type-Adapter-Inline-Connector-/231507477639 this might be it unless I had a full box of these already and wont fit to anything
2016-09-17T00:07:36 < kakimir> ts100 has DC5525 and just confirmed trying to dick that dc plug in - it won't go
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2016-09-17T00:15:03 < kakimir> I wonder who made that plastic part for crappy plugs as every type of crappy plugs have the same plastic cover
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2016-09-17T00:40:39 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTzVtdHVkU0pzNzQ/view?usp=sharing jubb today
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2016-09-17T00:45:53 < kakimir> waiting another tracktor to pull
2016-09-17T00:48:33 < kakimir> not for this tractor
2016-09-17T00:49:59 < jadew> holly crap... just had a little discussion on javascript, apparently with people that are on the committee and they couldn't wrap their heads around why private properties are needed :/
2016-09-17T00:50:29 < jadew> I started learning Node.js and I noticed that when you extend (inherit) from some class, it spills all its internal garbage inside your object
2016-09-17T00:51:51 < jadew> that's ok for them...
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2016-09-17T00:53:09 < kakimir> I wonder if I start hunting and eating these things https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNGJmcm9FdzdwMDg/view?usp=sharing
2016-09-17T00:53:46 < jadew> you need a big fridge
2016-09-17T00:54:35 < kakimir> englishman: do you eat those things?
2016-09-17T00:55:22 < kakimir> there is sort of club system here
2016-09-17T00:55:25 < kakimir> to hunt those
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2016-09-17T00:59:20 < karlp> not allowed to hunt reindeer with bows here, much to the bow club's disgust
2016-09-17T00:59:30 < kakimir> club has lack of peoples
2016-09-17T01:01:14 < kakimir> much of granps are not really able to go hunting anymore
2016-09-17T01:03:28 < kakimir> I have 400 bull - you bet the meat is comming out of my ears
2016-09-17T01:03:42 < kakimir> "I have"
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2016-09-17T01:04:00 < Laurenceb__> brexit needs to hurry up
2016-09-17T01:04:12 < kakimir> polaks uprise?
2016-09-17T01:04:19 < Laurenceb__> yup
2016-09-17T01:04:25 < kakimir> can not kill them all they move too fast?
2016-09-17T01:04:32 < Laurenceb__> more like polak surprise sex
2016-09-17T01:04:53 < Laurenceb__> I had to fend of 2 Poles just walking down the street
2016-09-17T01:05:09 < kakimir> englishman: but if I move living on my own I need meat
2016-09-17T01:05:28 < BrainDamage> did uk submit the request?
2016-09-17T01:06:10 < Laurenceb__> Polish grrls are nasty
2016-09-17T01:07:23 < kakimir> why there is so much polaks in uk
2016-09-17T01:07:45 < kakimir> like million of them
2016-09-17T01:08:04 < LeelooMinai> Blame Russia for that...
2016-09-17T01:08:31 < kakimir> how does it?
2016-09-17T01:08:57 < BrainDamage> also, will it just be called "kingdom" after brexit and scotland fucks off?
2016-09-17T01:09:14 < Laurenceb__> well there will still be England and Wales
2016-09-17T01:09:41 < LeelooMinai> Read history books or something:) Russia FUBARED Poland after WWII, and it took a lot to recover.
2016-09-17T01:10:20 < kakimir> isn't it the whole east block?
2016-09-17T01:10:30 < Laurenceb__> I walk out of supermarket and drunk Polish grrl with vodka bottle in one hand tries to stick her tongue down my throat
2016-09-17T01:10:44 < kakimir> wow
2016-09-17T01:10:48 < LeelooMinai> So at some point or another a lot of Polish fled to different countries. I did in 80s to Greece , then to Canada for example.
2016-09-17T01:10:49 < BrainDamage> somehow i don't believe it
2016-09-17T01:10:52 < Laurenceb__> walk ~100m down road, another Polish grrl sticks her hand down my trousers
2016-09-17T01:10:56 < Laurenceb__> typical day in UK
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2016-09-17T01:11:26 < Laurenceb__> look out of window now: Poles doing drugs on street
2016-09-17T01:11:59 < Laurenceb__> I guess at least Wizards can now get laid
2016-09-17T01:12:46 < LeelooMinai> BrainDamage: Don't believe him - I guess it's some kind of fantasy of his:p
2016-09-17T01:13:12 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: but isn't uk girls exactly like that too?
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2016-09-17T01:13:32 < karlp> englishman: it's related to concerns about humane deaths allegedly.
2016-09-17T01:13:57 < karlp> the shooters test for a reindeer license is rather strict, it's not just any joe with a gun
2016-09-17T01:14:48 < karlp> it's something like a 15cm group at 100m or something here.
2016-09-17T01:15:04 < karlp> don't know the details, but it's not straightforward.
2016-09-17T01:15:06 < Laurenceb__> kakimir: no, moar liek this http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bbf_1474006231
2016-09-17T01:17:03 < karlp> what?
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2016-09-17T01:20:21 < karlp> right, so what would the comparable test be when you'r econcerned about quick kill?
2016-09-17T01:20:38 < karlp> yeah, jsut checked, it's 5 shots in 5 minutes within 14cm at 100m.
2016-09-17T01:20:53 < karlp> and you get tested with knowing the correct anatomy of the deer to kill it 
2016-09-17T01:23:32 < kakimir> here is gun test for moose
2016-09-17T01:31:11 < kakimir> 75meters
2016-09-17T01:31:36 < kakimir> target is still
2016-09-17T01:31:39 < kakimir> 4shots
2016-09-17T01:31:43 < kakimir> 23cm ring
2016-09-17T01:32:01 < kakimir> you can retry 5times a day if you fail
2016-09-17T01:33:00 < kakimir> style is free appart from prone
2016-09-17T01:33:17 < kakimir> non-fixed support allowed
2016-09-17T01:33:18 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbukvnC-beY
2016-09-17T01:34:47 < kakimir> and 90seconds time limit
2016-09-17T01:35:27 < kakimir> what is your sleeping posture Laurenceb__ ?
2016-09-17T01:41:37 < Laurenceb__> you ask some weird questions
2016-09-17T01:42:18 < BrainDamage> what is some little known, but useful sleeping posture?
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2016-09-17T01:44:37 < kakimir> I have like only one very specific posture I can sleep
2016-09-17T02:10:24 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: can radars see stuff falling from space?
2016-09-17T02:11:28 < brianx> Laurenceb__: sleeps in the fetal position. 
2016-09-17T02:12:06 < Laurenceb__> I aim to copy xkcd guy
2016-09-17T02:14:47 < kakimir> he sleeps with waifu
2016-09-17T02:15:40 < Laurenceb__> http://i61.tinypic.com/ok5p9v.jpg
2016-09-17T02:30:54 < Rob235> hi
2016-09-17T02:30:55 < Rob235> bye
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2016-09-17T05:03:55 < dongs> so my VBAT adc readings are always ~1025
2016-09-17T05:04:00 < dongs> regardless of what vbat actually is
2016-09-17T05:36:45 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/XPmOLJ7
2016-09-17T05:39:38 < upgrdman> dongs, is your vRef detived from vbat?
2016-09-17T05:39:55 < dongs> i donno i didnt set anything special for that
2016-09-17T05:40:02 < dongs> by vcc is 1.8V->3V tho
2016-09-17T05:40:09 < dongs> i mean, thats directly connected to vbat anyway.
2016-09-17T05:44:49 < dongs> play some unplayed steam games
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2016-09-17T05:50:48 < dongs> then again uh..
2016-09-17T05:50:55 < dongs> if my VDDA/VREF is also connected to vbat
2016-09-17T05:51:15 < dongs> i guess I'm getting what is expected, full bits value right.. ?
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2016-09-17T06:28:18 < dongs> apparently why this board has constant 0.5V going to another ADC pin.
2016-09-17T06:28:29 < dongs> analog pro is supposed to explain me how the fuck im gonna math that
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2016-09-17T06:41:03 < upgrdman> heh, chrome updated and now gui is slightly rethemed
2016-09-17T06:43:28 < PeterM> its very... early 2000/late 90s mac
2016-09-17T06:46:18 < upgrdman> hmm. fucking thread-safe list in java is causing me slowdowns. think i might go full retard and write my own thread-safe mutex-free data structure.
2016-09-17T06:49:53 < upgrdman> wow, intel stock is doing great
2016-09-17T06:50:08 < upgrdman> shit keeps marching up, despite recent fuckery
2016-09-17T06:50:55 < upgrdman> hehe, HP stock price over 1 yrs looks like    \___
2016-09-17T07:03:38 < dongs> any wolframalpha pros
2016-09-17T07:03:42 < dongs> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=listplot%5B%7B%7B2.2,936%7D,%7B2.3,891%7D,%7B2.4,856%7D,%7B2.5,818%7D,%7B2.6,788%7D%7D%5D
2016-09-17T07:03:49 < dongs> how do I get a formula for this linear thing
2016-09-17T07:03:53 < dongs> linearfit or whatever
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2016-09-17T07:04:56 < dongs> oh just literalyl that
2016-09-17T07:05:01 < LeelooMinai> There's an example: linear fit {1.3, 2.2},{2.1, 5.8},{3.7, 10.2},{4.2, 11.8}
2016-09-17T07:06:02 < dongs> ya
2016-09-17T07:06:02 < upgrdman> dongs, too lazy. but google "linear regression calc" ... prolly fuck tons of em
2016-09-17T07:06:11 < dongs> fuck that, wolframe rules
2016-09-17T07:09:06 < LeelooMinai> Can do others too, pretty neat: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=quadratic+fit+%7B1.3,+2.2%7D,%7B2.1,+5.8%7D,%7B3.7,+10.2%7D,%7B4.2,+11.8%7D,+%7B8,+17%7D
2016-09-17T07:09:24 < LeelooMinai> I randomly added that 8,17:)
2016-09-17T07:10:12 < upgrdman> comp sci pros: is there a name for a data structure that is just an array that can grow or shink? like a List can have things removed from the middle of it, i dont need that. just the ability to add or remove from the end
2016-09-17T07:10:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> linked list would do that
2016-09-17T07:10:42 < upgrdman> any list can do that
2016-09-17T07:10:50 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: deque
2016-09-17T07:10:54 < upgrdman> but a list is also more powerful, and therefor can habe more overhead
2016-09-17T07:11:56 < dongs> ok so
2016-09-17T07:12:07 < dongs> my analogpro is failing me
2016-09-17T07:12:18 < dongs> i have that plot of ADC vs voltage values
2016-09-17T07:12:20 < LeelooMinai> Well, deque is like a queue, but you can add/remove from both ends. 
2016-09-17T07:12:24 < dongs> voltage is constant (0.5V)
2016-09-17T07:12:30 < dongs> VREF is chanting with VCC/VBAT
2016-09-17T07:12:31 < LeelooMinai> Depends what you really want.
2016-09-17T07:12:38 < dongs> er changing, too
2016-09-17T07:13:00 < dongs> i guess under ideal conditions if I could run MCU down to 0.5V, the full scale ADC reading would be 4095
2016-09-17T07:13:15 < dongs> so i have 0.5V = 4095, and i have that linear scale of shit starting from 2.xV
2016-09-17T07:13:24 < dongs> how do I calculate vbat/vcc from that?:)
2016-09-17T07:13:47 < dongs> its probably some 1st grade math but im failing it
2016-09-17T07:14:05 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: If you want it to be more like normal array, I guess the term would be dynamic array.
2016-09-17T07:14:13 < dongs> upgrdman: new google URL bar is fucking garbage at 4K
2016-09-17T07:14:29 < LeelooMinai> 4K is pretty cold:)
2016-09-17T07:14:47 < LeelooMinai> Probably LCD has frozen
2016-09-17T07:15:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> If you had a double linked list, time wise you might be better than a dynamic array
2016-09-17T07:15:08 < Jak_o_Shadows> of course, memory.
2016-09-17T07:15:30 < LeelooMinai> Well, it all depends on his scenario.
2016-09-17T07:15:48 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, well i just need max efficiency. and im tempted to write my own lockless concurrent data structure, but i fell that this has been done a billion times before.
2016-09-17T07:16:05 < upgrdman> dongs, ? works fine for me. but i use display scaling. hows it fucked you for?
2016-09-17T07:16:08 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: But efficiency doing what operations.
2016-09-17T07:16:11 < upgrdman> s/you for/for yuo
2016-09-17T07:16:19 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, no locks, ever
2016-09-17T07:16:36 < dongs> upgrdman: its smaller
2016-09-17T07:16:42 < dongs> than it was.
2016-09-17T07:16:50 < upgrdman> by much?
2016-09-17T07:16:55 < dongs> yes, noticeably
2016-09-17T07:16:58 < upgrdman> bummer
2016-09-17T07:17:13 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: If you have concurrent acces, you need some concurrent control strategy.
2016-09-17T07:17:18 < dongs> death to the new "flat every fucking thing"  omg.
2016-09-17T07:17:26 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, atomics FTW
2016-09-17T07:17:42 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: But atomic what...
2016-09-17T07:17:56 < upgrdman> state variables. what the fuck else would they be
2016-09-17T07:18:05 < upgrdman> like pointers to tail, etc.
2016-09-17T07:18:12 < LeelooMinai> lol, there are atomic operations for example 
2016-09-17T07:18:20 < upgrdman> i know.
2016-09-17T07:18:39 < upgrdman> but java list does not seem to use atomics.
2016-09-17T07:18:45 < upgrdman> well syncList
2016-09-17T07:18:45 < LeelooMinai> WHen you wrote atomics I first thought about skiing to be honest:p
2016-09-17T07:19:04 < dongs> nice ohsixism tehre bro
2016-09-17T07:19:13 < dongs> would you like an assburger with fries?
2016-09-17T07:19:19 < upgrdman> lol me?
2016-09-17T07:19:23 < upgrdman> about dick structs?
2016-09-17T07:19:25 < dongs> no, leeJEWminai
2016-09-17T07:19:37 < upgrdman> :)
2016-09-17T07:19:48 < dongs> your shit is at least relevant
2016-09-17T07:19:57 < dongs> that faggot is going off into some bullshite tangent nobody in this channel gives a fuck about
2016-09-17T07:19:57 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Is there something wrong with Jews?
2016-09-17T07:20:08 < upgrdman> their jewishness?
2016-09-17T07:21:32 < LeelooMinai> dongs: I think you are dellusional. Look at your "tangents" first maybe.
2016-09-17T07:23:26 < upgrdman> so uh, i know 8051 asm, but like is there a similar "n cock cycles for this op code" for like i7 cpu? like, is integer add/sub/mul/div one cock cycle on an i7?
2016-09-17T07:23:48 < dongs> no
2016-09-17T07:23:55 < dongs> there is but its almost never the same 
2016-09-17T07:24:00 < dongs> beacuse of branch prediciton, caching, etc
2016-09-17T07:24:04 < upgrdman> because of the pooplining?
2016-09-17T07:24:07 < dongs> and that
2016-09-17T07:24:07 < dongs> yes
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2016-09-17T07:25:51 < upgrdman> today i realized these a homeless guy living in his truck, at the parking lot at my work
2016-09-17T07:26:00 < upgrdman> total lolwut moment
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2016-09-17T07:33:39 < dongs> hm wut i dont need to do anything wiht that formula
2016-09-17T07:33:48 < dongs> just linear fit it and use, plug adc in -> voltage is out
2016-09-17T07:36:53 < upgrdman> ya thats how lin reg works
2016-09-17T07:37:03 < upgrdman> were you thinking you needed a LUT?
2016-09-17T07:42:49 < dongs> no like
2016-09-17T07:43:03 < dongs> something to do with that 0.5V reference, i dunno
2016-09-17T07:43:05 < dongs> just me being dumb
2016-09-17T07:55:09 < dongs> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=linearfit+%7B1024,2.0%7D,%7B974,2.1%7D,%7B930,2.2%7D,%7B890,2.3%7D,%7B852,2.4%7D,%7B818,2.5%7D,%7B786,2.6%7D,%7B759,2.7%7D,%7B690,3.0%7D,%7B712,2.9%7D
2016-09-17T07:55:22 < dongs> kinda crap fit, should i try something other than linear?
2016-09-17T07:55:29 < upgrdman> anyone know if 64bit cpus can dick with longs at the same speed as ints?
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2016-09-17T07:58:24 < Thorn> depends on what long and int are in the ABI
2016-09-17T07:58:25 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: That's why they are 64-bit
2016-09-17T07:58:31 < Thorn> could be the same thing or not
2016-09-17T07:58:52 < LeelooMinai> Java long is 64bit
2016-09-17T07:59:08 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, i was pretty sure, but figured i might as well ask
2016-09-17T07:59:24 < dongs> how the shit do i enter a float in E notation
2016-09-17T07:59:36 < dongs> -8.5E-8 or whatever
2016-09-17T07:59:48 < upgrdman> float cocks = 1e5f; ?
2016-09-17T08:00:02 < dongs> 1e-5f works?
2016-09-17T08:00:03 < dongs> k
2016-09-17T08:02:08 < upgrdman> more faggotry about it here http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/floating_literal
2016-09-17T08:02:21 < dongs> rite
2016-09-17T08:02:28 < dongs> its like i never actually had any use for that shit
2016-09-17T08:02:29 < upgrdman> and http://en.cppreference.com/w/c/language/floating_constant for c
2016-09-17T08:02:41 < dongs> tryin this quadraticdongs fit
2016-09-17T08:02:57 < upgrdman> noice
2016-09-17T08:06:23 < dongs> hm i cucked up the math somewehre
2016-09-17T08:06:39 < dongs> -8.55668×10^-8 x^3+0.000124653 x^2-0.0843527 x+24.8837 (quartic)
2016-09-17T08:06:44 < dongs> this shit ends up negative
2016-09-17T08:11:06 < upgrdman> hmmm did you mix in and out when doing lin reg?
2016-09-17T08:11:38 < dongs> ah no that was  quadric, anyway, fucki it, quadratic fits even better
2016-09-17T08:11:48 < dongs> now i can read vbat with like 2 digit accuracy, close neough
2016-09-17T08:12:09 < dongs> im sure totally useless cuz this shit depends on ambient temperature and shit
2016-09-17T08:12:50 < Chris_M> couldn't you approximate that with y=-370x + 1742
2016-09-17T08:13:29 < dongs> yes i already went through the linear fit first
2016-09-17T08:13:32 < dongs> wasnt close enough
2016-09-17T08:15:45 < Chris_M> cool, fair enough
2016-09-17T08:16:02 < dongs> this works and FPU is free on this F401
2016-09-17T08:16:12 < dongs> vbat = (4.19253e-6f * pow(raw, 2.0f)) - 0.0101243f * raw + 7.98024f;
2016-09-17T08:17:35 < c4017> surely raw*raw is faster than pow()
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2016-09-17T09:21:56 < stvn> sup pros
2016-09-17T09:30:30 < ReadErr> got a flir one for 105$
2016-09-17T09:30:38 < ReadErr> the new one
2016-09-17T09:33:17 < dongs> enjoy your 60x40 pixerls trash
2016-09-17T09:33:25 < dongs> only a true stoner would buy that trash
2016-09-17T09:34:23 < ReadErr> eh no
2016-09-17T09:34:25 < ReadErr> its lepton 3
2016-09-17T09:35:31 < LeelooMinai> dongs seems to emit random trash-talk nonsense periodically - is he a bot?
2016-09-17T09:35:38 < dongs> 80 (h) × 60 (v) active pixels
2016-09-17T09:35:42 < ReadErr> nope
2016-09-17T09:36:01 < ReadErr> 160x120
2016-09-17T09:36:17 < ReadErr> but shit for $105 w/e
2016-09-17T09:36:26 < ReadErr> http://www.diy-thermocam.net/thermal-images/
2016-09-17T09:36:31 < ReadErr> some kewl software
2016-09-17T09:36:35 < LeelooMinai> ReadErr: That's not a normal price though
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2016-09-17T09:38:58 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: yea long story, bought an e4 from a seller whos account was hacked
2016-09-17T09:39:11 < ReadErr> called to report it, they told me to fuck off, manager said everything was fine, would get the product
2016-09-17T09:39:19 < ReadErr> got cancelled yesterday
2016-09-17T09:39:28 < ReadErr> offered me 200$ of a new e4
2016-09-17T09:39:34 < ReadErr> told them 50/50 on the flir one
2016-09-17T09:39:44 < ReadErr> so it kinda worked out
2016-09-17T09:39:59 < ReadErr> of=off
2016-09-17T09:40:43 < ReadErr> they let the hacked account keep selling stuff too, idiots 
2016-09-17T09:46:47 < dongs> jewcam > any flir trash
2016-09-17T09:47:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/B3X1H5s.jpg good luck getting this kinda image out of any flir
2016-09-17T09:47:45 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Are you a vicious racist troglodyte? And why?
2016-09-17T09:49:02 < dongs> do you expect anything other than "yes" to that question?
2016-09-17T09:49:23 < stvn> マザーブレイン
2016-09-17T09:49:24 < LeelooMinai> No, it was a double rhetoric one
2016-09-17T09:50:15 < LeelooMinai> I just hope for your sake that you are either 13 or retarded.
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2016-09-17T09:51:38 < ReadErr> eh its $105
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2016-09-17T09:51:43 < ReadErr> get what you pay for
2016-09-17T09:52:08 < LeelooMinai> ReadErr: For $105 is a good deal, considering the prices overall.
2016-09-17T09:52:29 < LeelooMinai> And even a lame thermal camera is kind of useful.
2016-09-17T09:52:50 < ReadErr> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=georg.com.thermal_camera_plus
2016-09-17T09:53:08 < ReadErr> they even have software to use the full res w/o any mods
2016-09-17T09:53:45 < LeelooMinai> Also, I think flir has this mode where it overlaps the normal image over the thermal one, right?
2016-09-17T09:54:11 < LeelooMinai> It kind of offsets the low resolution drawback.
2016-09-17T09:54:24 < stvn> flir is cool
2016-09-17T09:54:40 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: yea they use an optical camera
2016-09-17T09:54:46 < ReadErr> Seek is only thermal 
2016-09-17T09:55:20 < ReadErr> if I needed real accurate stuff I would just use a thermocouple anyways
2016-09-17T09:55:27 < ReadErr> should be fine for dicking around
2016-09-17T09:56:15 < LeelooMinai> I could use a thermal camera for few things: for looking at PCBs, to see how the heat is distributed, to find where the house is leaking heat in the winter, and for my CNC - to see if the stock material/tool overheats, etc.
2016-09-17T09:56:35 < ReadErr> yea 
2016-09-17T09:56:38 < LeelooMinai> Probably could come up with some other uses in time:)
2016-09-17T09:56:51 < ReadErr> finding bad parts on a board
2016-09-17T09:57:49 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, though I think metal parts could mess the readings a bit due to emissitivity problem.
2016-09-17T09:58:18 < stvn> i interrogate the parts
2016-09-17T09:58:49 < Thorn> is an IR thermometer not sufficient?
2016-09-17T09:59:00 < Thorn> for components on a pcb
2016-09-17T09:59:11 < LeelooMinai> Not if you want to look at a biggest picture.
2016-09-17T09:59:18 < LeelooMinai> the*
2016-09-17T10:00:11 < LeelooMinai> Say you want to have a quick look at a working pcb for a sanity check - to see if something is unusually hot, and there's tons of ICs on it.
2016-09-17T10:00:41 < LeelooMinai> Or even to see if some traces are not unusually hot.
2016-09-17T10:01:03 < LeelooMinai> If you have some short it can happen.
2016-09-17T10:01:50 < ReadErr> not sure if its worth tearing apart and going the DIY route or waiting on a decent 'pc' driver
2016-09-17T10:02:03 < ReadErr> probably lunix first 
2016-09-17T10:02:31 < stvn> i wanna see this dongcam thing
2016-09-17T10:02:36 < stvn> how many shekels it is
2016-09-17T10:02:55 < ReadErr> http://joe-c.de/pages/posts/programm_thermalviewer_120.php
2016-09-17T10:03:09 < ReadErr> this guy is working on getting a driver going
2016-09-17T10:03:16 < ReadErr> software is super german though
2016-09-17T10:03:55 < stvn> german is easier to deal with than chinese
2016-09-17T10:05:01 < ReadErr> yea tru
2016-09-17T10:05:12 < ReadErr> less virus to worry about too
2016-09-17T10:06:26 < stvn> so now in australia 'terror attack' = one guy with a knife
2016-09-17T10:07:10 < stvn> if only we banned sharp objects!!! we could have stopped this!
2016-09-17T10:07:28 < LeelooMinai> Well, if the knife was the size of that Dundee one...
2016-09-17T10:09:46 < stvn> haha
2016-09-17T10:10:32 < PeterM> you cann that a knife?
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2016-09-17T10:11:09 < LeelooMinai> Dave from eevblog uses it too - but he is not very skilled at it:p
2016-09-17T10:14:53 < stvn> i thought he was dead
2016-09-17T10:15:28 < LeelooMinai> Who? Dave?
2016-09-17T10:16:03 < stvn> yeah, i heard FTDI hired an assassin to get him
2016-09-17T10:16:30 < LeelooMinai> I think  he is alive. Had a knee surgery, but sirvived apparently:)
2016-09-17T10:18:55 < stvn> arrow to the knee
2016-09-17T10:19:17 < stvn> 'i used to be a video blogger like you, until i...'
2016-09-17T10:20:06 < stvn> i had knee surgery about 5 years ago now
2016-09-17T10:21:52 < LeelooMinai> He posted 30 minutes video from the actual operation.
2016-09-17T10:22:23 < stvn> that sounds like fun
2016-09-17T10:22:27 < LeelooMinai> Kind of scary, but bloodless for some reason - I guess they cut the blood flow to the leg.
2016-09-17T10:23:00 < stvn> would have been funnier if they accidentally performed a breast enlargement
2016-09-17T10:23:34 < LeelooMinai> Kind of unlikely to happen:p
2016-09-17T10:23:45 < stvn> he'd get some more subscribers
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2016-09-17T10:42:10 < ReadErr> going full blown here
2016-09-17T10:42:16 < ReadErr> RPI3 SECURITY CAMERA
2016-09-17T10:42:48 < ReadErr> well more so notify me when fedex shows up so I can sign for shit
2016-09-17T10:45:49 < PeterM> ReadErr, surely you could jsut get out of yoru fpv cams and stick it out the front
2016-09-17T10:45:58 < PeterM> and stick a pir on iot
2016-09-17T10:46:11 < ReadErr> right but I need the logic for activity zones
2016-09-17T10:46:18 < ReadErr> amcrest software blows dick
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2016-09-17T10:46:38 < ReadErr> the yi security dome camera wont let you specify zones and the lens is super wide
2016-09-17T10:46:47 < PeterM> you jsut get a PIR, and tape over the sections oyu want blocked
2016-09-17T10:47:01 < PeterM> works i nthe dark too.
2016-09-17T10:47:02 < ReadErr> lol well I have usb cams w/ M12 lens
2016-09-17T10:47:09 < ReadErr> 5MP
2016-09-17T10:47:14 < PeterM> cool
2016-09-17T10:47:18 < ReadErr> should be fine for this 
2016-09-17T10:47:29 < PeterM> i have gig e cams with EF mount lens
2016-09-17T10:47:39 < ReadErr> its more so the software that pisses me off
2016-09-17T10:47:44 < ReadErr> inconsistent 
2016-09-17T10:47:50 < ReadErr> needs rebooting all the time
2016-09-17T10:48:06 < PeterM> 30mp
2016-09-17T10:48:15 < ReadErr> oh and it requires Internet EXPLODER to web interface
2016-09-17T10:48:25 < ReadErr> because....yea fuck
2016-09-17T10:49:01 < ReadErr> <3 NPAPI
2016-09-17T10:49:48 < ReadErr> https://github.com/ccrisan/motioneyeos/wiki this looks sorta ok
2016-09-17T10:54:05 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/ELP-Camera-5megapixel-Industrial-Machine/dp/B00KA83C8O/
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2016-09-17T11:35:17 < Tectu> How do I Tectu?
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2016-09-17T11:38:28 < ReadErr> carefully
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2016-09-17T11:41:31 < PeterM> is there a tec one?
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2016-09-17T11:41:45 < Tectu> lol
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2016-09-17T11:59:47 < PaulFertser> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Do
2016-09-17T12:06:11 < Tectu> > Attractive Dutch recording artist best know for her vocals in DJ Sammy's cover of "Heaven"
2016-09-17T12:08:49 < Emil> Hey
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2016-09-17T12:09:52 < Emil> Anyone have a guide/tutorial/so for stm32 like this: https://emil.fi/avr or for maximum cli experience curl https://emil.fi/avr | less
2016-09-17T12:10:42 < jpa-> what's wrong with the ones that were given last time, or the ones that google gives?
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2016-09-17T12:23:38 < dongs> stm32_for_fags.txt
2016-09-17T12:25:53 < gjm> fuckavr.rtf
2016-09-17T12:26:04 < Thorn> $4,784.00 to the rescue https://youtu.be/MhWyAL2hKlk?t=24m56s
2016-09-17T12:27:14 < gjm> Emil: Advertisement?
2016-09-17T12:27:26 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: You can McGyver one cheaply, sub 1GHz, but still: http://hackaday.com/2016/03/31/diy-active-sub-ghz-differential-scope-probe/
2016-09-17T12:28:38 < Emil> gjm: eh?
2016-09-17T12:28:57 < Emil> Most guides for arm are not that simple
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2016-09-17T12:29:11 < Emil> And skip some required knoeledge
2016-09-17T12:31:23 < dongs> _delay_ms(1); //_delay_ms() and _delay_us() functions from util/delay.h do not accept variable arguments
2016-09-17T12:31:26 < dongs> what
2016-09-17T12:31:26 < dongs> fuckl
2016-09-17T12:31:29 < dongs> the 
2016-09-17T12:31:51 < dongs> doesnt each function call on AVR takes like 1ms anyway
2016-09-17T12:31:52 < Tectu> Emil, that's (besides the obvious fact that those systems are a lot more complex) because unlike with AVRs not everything comes from one company
2016-09-17T12:32:12 < dongs> you can nigger together GNU/Tard shit for STM32 pretty eeasily
2016-09-17T12:32:19 < dongs> get gcc-arm-embedded, done
2016-09-17T12:32:32 < dongs> the header shit from stdperiphlib or whatever.
2016-09-17T12:32:51 < Tectu> cube*
2016-09-17T12:33:19 < dongs> why does tarduwhine install avr headers system-wide anyway
2016-09-17T12:33:22 < dongs> when you install avrgcc
2016-09-17T12:33:26 < dongs> seems retarded
2016-09-17T12:33:57 < Tectu> quit rage mode, dongs.
2016-09-17T12:34:13 < dongs> i'm looking at a stack of SAM3Xs which do not flash
2016-09-17T12:34:18 < dongs> i'm pretty raged
2016-09-17T12:34:46 < dongs> the dude who made the shit thinks "high voltage boost for flash programming on-chip is dead"
2016-09-17T12:34:50 < dongs> how the fuck does that even happen in 2016
2016-09-17T12:35:02 < dongs> i've *NEVER* seen STM32 fail flashing and I've flashed probly 50k of them
2016-09-17T12:35:30 < gjm> [cool]
2016-09-17T12:36:58 < Tectu> we used a PIC18F25K22 in a mandatory uni project a week ago and those have a silicone bug which results in SPI1 always reading back 0x00 no matter what. Note: That chip is available since 2004 (if I'm not mistaken). It's not in the errata but the MicroChip forum is full of complains of people that have the same issue for a span of 6 years. Some even report the issue on PIC32. apparently all K22 families have that nice 
2016-09-17T12:36:59 < Tectu> feature.
2016-09-17T12:37:06 < Tectu> better rage about that ^
2016-09-17T12:37:28 < dongs> well picsfags get what they deserve
2016-09-17T12:39:57 < PaulFertser> dongs: _delay functions in avr-libc are implemented with somewhat tricky macros (to get enough precision), so it needs to be a compile-time contant to be properly expanded and inlined.
2016-09-17T12:40:39 < PaulFertser> Also, optimisation not disabled.
2016-09-17T12:40:51 < dongs> so it just fills the shit with #define delay() NOP NOP NOP NOP ?
2016-09-17T12:41:27 < PaulFertser> Kinda, depending on cpu freq.
2016-09-17T12:41:44 < dongs> i'm so glad i dont have anything to do wiht that filthy architecture
2016-09-17T12:41:45 < Emil> nah
2016-09-17T12:41:55 < Emil> they are counter loops
2016-09-17T12:42:29 < PaulFertser> Or using __builtin_avr_delay_cycles gcc builtin if it's available.
2016-09-17T12:43:16 < Emil> dongs: and lol, that's not hardware dependent
2016-09-17T12:43:31 < PaulFertser> Delays are implemented with basic loops though, not just the "right amount" of nops.
2016-09-17T12:43:43 < dongs> Emil: of course it is
2016-09-17T12:43:57 < dongs> only a fucking tool would delay wiht NOPs on Cortex-M
2016-09-17T12:44:21 < Emil> And since instuctions are deterministicly timed they are precise
2016-09-17T12:44:29 < dongs> not on F7 for example
2016-09-17T12:44:36 < dongs> there's icache/dcache shit.
2016-09-17T12:44:39 < Emil> dongs: you see me using nops?
2016-09-17T12:45:21 < Emil> dongs: busy loops are completely okay for some applications and this applies on all platorms
2016-09-17T12:45:23 < dongs> no, but i see  you advertising AVR tutorials
2016-09-17T12:45:27 < PaulFertser> Emil: I meant avr-libc is using deterministic way that is almost equivalent to inserting nops.
2016-09-17T12:45:28 < dongs> nope, they're not
2016-09-17T12:46:01 < Emil> dongs: lol, I asked if similar onr would exist for arms so that I could translate to arms but hey, apparently no then
2016-09-17T12:48:16 < Emil> PaulFertser: eeh, they are three instructions long on util/delay_basic.c so they are deteministic but still not inserting nops
2016-09-17T12:49:04 < Steffanx> Tectu, dont talk about pic. Where it can happen that the stop bit because too short because it already started with the start bit of the next byte over uart.
2016-09-17T12:49:20 < Steffanx> *because = becomes
2016-09-17T12:49:33 < dongs> you want pic stories eh?
2016-09-17T12:49:41 < Tectu> go on
2016-09-17T12:49:45 < dongs> PIC24 can't fucking transfer SPI without pauses between bytes
2016-09-17T12:49:55 < dongs> it adds like 2 clocks pause between each byte
2016-09-17T12:49:58 < Emil> That's quite bad
2016-09-17T12:50:05 < dongs> even in DMA(?) mode i forgot if thata exists on it or not
2016-09-17T12:50:10 < Emil> Horribly bad, even
2016-09-17T12:50:28 < Steffanx> This was pic pic24 too. This uart issue is some undocumented silicon bug.
2016-09-17T12:50:37 < Tectu> hah
2016-09-17T12:50:42 < Tectu> sounds so familiar
2016-09-17T12:51:36 < Tectu> let me find an e-mail...
2016-09-17T12:51:48 < Steffanx> Most of the time it is not really an issue, until the receiver of this too short stop bit has a slightly deviated baudrate.
2016-09-17T12:52:24 < Tectu> which happens like all the time.
2016-09-17T12:52:36 < PaulFertser> Emil: yes, I checked the very same code when answering, I just meant that it's as deterministic as nops, and kinda meant that compiler might unroll some of the outer loops (in delay.h). In dongs' speak nops and other busy-wait delays are about the same, so I went for the short answer.
2016-09-17T12:52:37 < Tectu> better SPI
2016-09-17T12:53:02 < Tectu> lol, PaulFertser knows how to talk to dongs
2016-09-17T12:53:25 < Emil> PaulFertser: okay
2016-09-17T12:54:06 < PaulFertser> Emil: do you think compiler might unroll loops in _delay_ms
2016-09-17T12:55:27 < Tectu> From some "evaluating uGFX plz give information" e-mail:
2016-09-17T12:55:29 < Tectu> "•	CCS compiler? Listed above microcontroller will control both harware and GUI. The hardware control part is already implemented using CCS compiler. This unfortunately locks my me to CCS compiler only. Generally speaking it is C-compliant but does not support function recursion and function pointers. Can this be a problem?"
2016-09-17T12:55:52 < Tectu> Compiler doesn't support function pointers. I dunno, can that be a problem?
2016-09-17T12:56:04 < PaulFertser> Must be a really crippled "compiler" indeed.
2016-09-17T12:56:12 < Tectu> I had to use that compiler once too
2016-09-17T12:56:22 < Tectu> it doesn't even handle double-pointers (no kidding)
2016-09-17T12:58:03 < Emil> PaulFertser: I dont know, doubt it
2016-09-17T13:13:11 < PeterM> gg
2016-09-17T13:15:52 < Steffanx> Did we win?
2016-09-17T13:16:42 < ReadErr> hmm
2016-09-17T13:17:08 < Tectu> who has a microwave oven at home?
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2016-09-17T13:17:18 < Steffanx> We actually have a combi one.
2016-09-17T13:17:21 < ReadErr> any ideas on measuring viscosity of something through feedback but non-contact 
2016-09-17T13:17:26 < ReadErr> like a stirring plate 
2016-09-17T13:17:33 < Steffanx> ultrasonic.
2016-09-17T13:17:39 < Tectu> stirring plate sounds pretty much contacty, no?
2016-09-17T13:17:41 < ReadErr> but measuring small changes in motor load
2016-09-17T13:17:49 < ReadErr> well its via magnets
2016-09-17T13:18:02 < Tectu> magnets... how do they work?!
2016-09-17T13:18:04 < ReadErr> so if it flings it or its going too fast
2016-09-17T13:18:57 < ReadErr> hall isnt an option
2016-09-17T13:19:07 < ReadErr> so trying to find some other means
2016-09-17T13:19:24 < Tectu> ultrasonic sounds sane.
2016-09-17T13:19:41 < Tectu> Better listen to papa steffan
2016-09-17T13:19:46 < ReadErr> right but I want to be able to detect a thrown bar
2016-09-17T13:19:50 < ReadErr> or if its running too fast
2016-09-17T13:19:56 < ReadErr> thats what I meant I guess
2016-09-17T13:20:40 < ReadErr> motor loading is the only idea i could think of 
2016-09-17T13:20:48 < ReadErr> or the load on the motor*
2016-09-17T13:21:10 < ReadErr> maybe w/ a hall sensor on that motor 
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2016-09-17T13:22:21 < Tectu> "Floppy disks are like Jesus - They died to become the icon of saving".  Not bad...
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2016-09-17T13:55:34 < dongs> hm
2016-09-17T13:58:49 < dongs> atomic stack, exists in CMSIS? or do I need to fucking write my own
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2016-09-17T14:47:38 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/683YEn96.html
2016-09-17T14:47:42 < dongs> . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . .. . . . .
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2016-09-17T14:57:18 < Emil> what is that shit?
2016-09-17T14:58:32 < Emil> Thats like the most inefficient way to do everything
2016-09-17T15:00:18 < Emil> Seriously why
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2016-09-17T15:01:13 < Emil> Who writes code like that
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2016-09-17T15:02:33 < dongs> real pros
2016-09-17T15:02:38 < stvn> sup pro
2016-09-17T15:03:20 < Emil> dongs: where the fuck did you even dig that from
2016-09-17T15:03:35 < Emil> Dont tell me you wrote it yourself
2016-09-17T15:03:35 < dongs> code im currently refactoring
2016-09-17T15:03:38 < dongs> nope
2016-09-17T15:03:39 < stvn> listen here mate
2016-09-17T15:03:56 < dongs> Emil: how many lines would it take for you to write it
2016-09-17T15:04:27 < Emil> Go the guy who wrote it and start with "listen here you little shit..."
2016-09-17T15:05:03 < stvn> does anyone want their fucking cd player fixed
2016-09-17T15:05:13 < Fleck> yes, me
2016-09-17T15:05:14 < Emil> dongs: 1
2016-09-17T15:05:22 < Emil> within the function
2016-09-17T15:05:27 < dongs> ;d
2016-09-17T15:06:21 < Emil> it would god damn be a single fucking return :D
2016-09-17T15:07:55 < Emil> that depends on if that eeprom lib supports block read, though
2016-09-17T15:08:46 < Emil> If it is only byte addressable then something like 3 lines
2016-09-17T15:09:17 < Tectu> dongs, can you fix my shit?
2016-09-17T15:10:03 < Emil> Did stm32s have multi shift single instruction cycle execution btw?
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2016-09-17T15:10:42 < dongs> tectu, what shit
2016-09-17T15:10:45 < Emil> if not then fuck me, those bitwrites will probably consume quite a bit of instructions
2016-09-17T15:10:47 < dongs> i have a queue of so much others shit to fix
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2016-09-17T15:11:45 < Tectu> dongs, some C++ code that even GDB refuses to touch
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2016-09-17T15:13:13 < dongs> nope
2016-09-17T15:16:48 < dongs> PeterM: silergy shit solved, it wasn't even fucking related to it
2016-09-17T15:17:06 < Laurenceb__> even GDB...
2016-09-17T15:17:15 < stvn> i was watching an IRC radio show today which said RMS (stallman) is a scat loving paedophile
2016-09-17T15:17:27 < dongs> fucking main output nfet was garbage
2016-09-17T15:19:05 < stvn> did you replace it
2016-09-17T15:19:58 < Tectu> sup Laurenceb__ 
2016-09-17T15:20:25 < Laurenceb__> stvn: we knew that already
2016-09-17T15:21:56 < Tectu> IRC radio show? wut?
2016-09-17T15:23:11 < stvn> some pumping club has a radio show
2016-09-17T15:32:02 < Laurenceb__> IRC radio: live updates on all the trolling activity
2016-09-17T15:32:11  * Laurenceb__ imagines sports commentators
2016-09-17T15:32:27 < stvn> the stm32 update
2016-09-17T15:33:16 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcU7FaEEzNU
2016-09-17T15:33:22 < Laurenceb__> needs those commentators
2016-09-17T15:33:34 < stvn> kickstart it then
2016-09-17T15:34:01 < Tectu> show me dat IRC radio
2016-09-17T15:34:04 < Tectu> I wanna be fancy too
2016-09-17T15:34:26 < stvn> ok just type l0de into youtube
2016-09-17T15:34:28 < stvn> have fun
2016-09-17T15:35:18 < Tectu> is it sfw?
2016-09-17T15:35:35 < Laurenceb__> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/L0de
2016-09-17T15:35:39 < Laurenceb__> podcast for trolls
2016-09-17T15:35:41 < Laurenceb__> sounds good
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2016-09-17T15:35:58 < Tectu> hosted by Laurenceb
2016-09-17T15:39:10 < Laurenceb__> sounds like landline trolling
2016-09-17T15:39:13 < Laurenceb__> oldschool
2016-09-17T15:41:26 < Laurenceb__> CB radio trollin is also fun, but CB is dead now :(
2016-09-17T15:45:27 < stvn> mmm
2016-09-17T15:52:10 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=551
2016-09-17T15:52:12 < ReadError> here u go
2016-09-17T15:53:00 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/wHsL77Nh1DA?t=748
2016-09-17T15:53:02 < ReadError> oops there
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2016-09-17T15:57:56 < stvn> time for another beer
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2016-09-17T16:01:15 < ReadErr> Laurenceb__: halp
2016-09-17T16:07:03 < stvn> uyg
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2016-09-17T16:14:31 < Laurenceb__> ReadErr: you are addicted to trollin?
2016-09-17T16:14:48 < ReadErr> nah 
2016-09-17T16:15:17 < ReadErr> I need a way to determine viscosity/slipping stirbar 
2016-09-17T16:15:26 < ReadErr> non contact
2016-09-17T16:15:32 < ReadErr> was thinking motor load
2016-09-17T16:15:40 < ReadErr> but not heard anything better
2016-09-17T16:15:43 < Laurenceb__> isnt that contact lol
2016-09-17T16:16:13 < ReadErr> well its magnets
2016-09-17T16:16:18 < Laurenceb__> oh this is one of those magnetic thingies?
2016-09-17T16:16:19 < Laurenceb__> got it
2016-09-17T16:16:42 < BrainDamage> is it a stir plate?
2016-09-17T16:16:44 < Laurenceb__> the density comes in as well
2016-09-17T16:16:47 < Laurenceb__> its complex
2016-09-17T16:16:51 < ReadErr> BrainDamage: yea
2016-09-17T16:16:59 < ReadErr> well its part of it
2016-09-17T16:17:05 < sync> viscostiy is a bitch to determine
2016-09-17T16:17:19 < ReadErr> I dont really care about the viscosity #
2016-09-17T16:17:29 < Laurenceb__> maybe a thin spinning disc?
2016-09-17T16:17:32 < ReadErr> more so being able to determine when its slipping or going to fast
2016-09-17T16:17:35 < ReadErr> or the bar is thrown
2016-09-17T16:17:50 < ReadErr> and let it recover 
2016-09-17T16:17:51 < BrainDamage> you can determine if it's slipping from the BEMF
2016-09-17T16:17:56 < ReadErr> yea exactly 
2016-09-17T16:18:02 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2016-09-17T16:18:09 < Laurenceb__> maybe you will see some ripples
2016-09-17T16:18:18 < Laurenceb__> if its slipping
2016-09-17T16:18:25 < ReadErr> yea it will speed up really quickly 
2016-09-17T16:18:35 < ReadErr> but if im driving the rpm 
2016-09-17T16:18:36 < BrainDamage> the bemf would remain phase synced with the applied signal if it's not slipping
2016-09-17T16:18:42 < ReadErr> it wont work
2016-09-17T16:18:47 < ReadErr> err, words
2016-09-17T16:18:54 < Laurenceb__> I mean also as the rotor magnet cogs with the magnetic stirrer
2016-09-17T16:18:59 < Laurenceb__> you will see ripple
2016-09-17T16:19:34 < ReadErr> but 1) how do you actively drive the motor & 2) being able to tell when its 'disconnected'
2016-09-17T16:19:53 < Laurenceb__> is it a brushed DC motor?
2016-09-17T16:20:00 < ReadErr> ew no not brushed
2016-09-17T16:20:11 < Laurenceb__> ok
2016-09-17T16:20:14 < ReadErr> BLDC 
2016-09-17T16:20:21 < BrainDamage> you'll need a hall sensor to see if the bar is out, bemf only works while the thing i spinning
2016-09-17T16:20:30 < Laurenceb__> you could probably look at ripple in commutation times
2016-09-17T16:20:31 < ReadErr> BrainDamage: yea thats another problem
2016-09-17T16:20:40 < ReadErr> hall wont work for every bar
2016-09-17T16:20:44 < Laurenceb__> AfroESC might actually be good enough
2016-09-17T16:20:49 < ReadErr> small bars for example the diameter is so small
2016-09-17T16:20:59 < Laurenceb__> I used it for my original rockoon spin system
2016-09-17T16:21:27 < Laurenceb__> but with stock firmware you can only get commutation out via i2c
2016-09-17T16:21:28 < BrainDamage> then try to give it a test spin and check feedback
2016-09-17T16:21:47 < Laurenceb__> you would probably need to tap some of the gpio and stick into timer input captures
2016-09-17T16:21:48 < ReadErr> but you see what im saying, if I set it to 100rpm 
2016-09-17T16:21:52 < Laurenceb__> to get idea timing
2016-09-17T16:21:52 < ReadErr> its going to spin at 100rpm 
2016-09-17T16:22:09 < ReadErr> how can it detect failure if you are driving it
2016-09-17T16:22:22 < Laurenceb__> thats not very fast
2016-09-17T16:22:27 < Laurenceb__> how many motor poles?
2016-09-17T16:22:31 < ReadErr> i used that as an example, 1000rpm 
2016-09-17T16:22:37 < Laurenceb__> inb4 the poles were deported due to brexit
2016-09-17T16:22:52 < ReadErr> Laurenceb__: eh not decided on the exact motor yet
2016-09-17T16:22:56 < Laurenceb__> ok
2016-09-17T16:23:01 < BrainDamage> well, it's eiher slipping or not, if it's slipping you'll have torque ripple, which in turn you hould see in the BEMF
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2016-09-17T16:23:15 < ReadErr> BrainDamage: I was thinking current
2016-09-17T16:23:21 < BrainDamage> whenever the ripple is detectable in everycase, depnds on your specific seup
2016-09-17T16:23:23 < ReadErr> or something along those lines
2016-09-17T16:23:25 < Laurenceb__> if its that slow I'm thinking a lot of poles
2016-09-17T16:23:36 < Laurenceb__> in which case detecting ripple from timing should be possible
2016-09-17T16:23:37 < ReadErr> Laurenceb__: more than likely a pancake style motor
2016-09-17T16:23:41 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2016-09-17T16:23:44 < Laurenceb__> timing ripple
2016-09-17T16:25:17 < ReadErr> hmm
2016-09-17T16:25:38 < Laurenceb__> I'd try AfroESC without any mods first
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2016-09-17T16:25:48 < Laurenceb__> then try grabbing commutation state via i2c
2016-09-17T16:26:00 < Laurenceb__> might just work I dunno
2016-09-17T16:26:40 < ReadErr> i have vescs etc too
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2016-09-17T16:26:59 < ReadErr> but trying to figure out how to monitor it properly and the logic
2016-09-17T16:27:00 < Laurenceb__> dunno what debug modes those have lol
2016-09-17T16:27:04 < ReadErr> figured you might have done something like that
2016-09-17T16:27:12 < ReadErr> its kawaiiOS
2016-09-17T16:27:16 < ReadErr> so excellent debuggery 
2016-09-17T16:27:19 < Laurenceb__> ok
2016-09-17T16:27:41 < Laurenceb__> yeah I needed spinup debug for my rockoon thingy
2016-09-17T16:28:05 < Laurenceb__> but decided BLDC spinup is a massive waste of time and effort
2016-09-17T16:28:33 < Laurenceb__> I guess at least I can tell others how _not_ to try doing it 
2016-09-17T16:28:43 < stvn> temple
2016-09-17T16:29:21 < Laurenceb__> better to use Nazi superscience
2016-09-17T16:29:23 < Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_cm_Nebelwerfer_42
2016-09-17T16:30:34 < BrainDamage> nebel was ok-ish
2016-09-17T16:30:48 < BrainDamage> essentially german equivalent of katyusha, scaled down
2016-09-17T16:31:38 < Laurenceb__> well the point is it was spin only
2016-09-17T16:31:43 < Laurenceb__> so suitable for rockoon
2016-09-17T16:32:05 < Laurenceb__> like the laster chinese type 63
2016-09-17T16:33:24 < stvn> good work
2016-09-17T16:36:23 < BrainDamage> couldn't you add corked fins and let it spin itself or would the drag be too much?
2016-09-17T16:44:25 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, is 1500 ruble much per month much for a russian?
2016-09-17T16:44:32 < Steffanx> (for some server)
2016-09-17T16:45:06 < stvn> hi Steffanx 
2016-09-17T16:45:17 < Steffanx> -much*
2016-09-17T16:49:45 < stvn> how many beers have you had>
2016-09-17T16:49:58 < Steffanx> 0
2016-09-17T16:51:42 < stvn> i'm drinking bzb brew 
2016-09-17T16:51:56 < karlp> bzb?
2016-09-17T16:51:56 < stvn> heard it's made in switzerland
2016-09-17T16:52:08 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-17T17:00:10 < ReadErr> lo
2016-09-17T17:00:30 < ReadErr> urkin from ur bzbbook too right
2016-09-17T17:01:07 < Laurenceb__> BrainDamage: well I've written a sim in matlab
2016-09-17T17:01:24 < Laurenceb__> now I can throw random ideas at it to see what sticks
2016-09-17T17:01:42 < Laurenceb__> the type 63:  http://weaponsystems.net/image.php/Type%2063.jpg?&size=overview&cropratio=665:300&image=/img/ws/ar_mrl_type63_o1.jpg
2016-09-17T17:02:19 < Laurenceb__> http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/type-63-f0496u02.gif
2016-09-17T17:02:33 < Laurenceb__> 6 inclined nozzles to make it spin
2016-09-17T17:04:08 < Laurenceb__> I was thinking of a similar scheme with one of these motors
2016-09-17T17:04:09 < Laurenceb__> http://www.modelrockets.co.uk/shop/klima-model-rocket-motors/d3-six-pack-18mm-rocket-glidercar-motor-p-3310.html
2016-09-17T17:04:50 < BrainDamage> so custom nozzle? the meme pic makes me cringe
2016-09-17T17:06:53 < Laurenceb__> well I was considering that, but simulation says it would probably spin too fast
2016-09-17T17:07:37 < Laurenceb__> launching at ~sea level is a bit different, you can have quite highly inclined nozzels that spin it up quickly enough to launch well, without it overspinning later in the burn
2016-09-17T17:08:28 < Laurenceb__> so atm I think a clip on set of vanes would be best, that breaks off once the motor is at the right spin speed
2016-09-17T17:08:44 < Laurenceb__> thats pretty easy to get right using centripetal accel
2016-09-17T17:09:04 < BrainDamage> why not ablative? sounds a bit easier to control
2016-09-17T17:09:04 < Laurenceb__> atm I'm getting lost in the maths :-S
2016-09-17T17:09:32 < Laurenceb__> the vanes look more like a Francis turbine rotor, 3D contour nastiness
2016-09-17T17:09:37 < Laurenceb__> ablative is a pain to model
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2016-09-17T17:10:15 < Laurenceb__> I used a snap off spin motor in earlier prototype and got +-1% spin variability
2016-09-17T17:10:46 < Laurenceb__> using centripetal accel to break parts off at the right speed works very well if you use proper CAD tools to model it first
2016-09-17T17:11:58 < Laurenceb__> the vanes will be ablative - SLS nylon painted with silicone dissolved in white spirit
2016-09-17T17:12:24 < Laurenceb__> it only has to hold up for 250ms
2016-09-17T17:13:54 < BrainDamage> mm 5s burn
2016-09-17T17:21:59 < Laurenceb__> its actually close to 7
2016-09-17T17:23:40 < Laurenceb__> simulation gives about 130km apogee with a 2 gram tracker on the front
2016-09-17T17:26:06 < Laurenceb__> I was originally going to use an Estes motor to spin up the main motor, but there is way more to go wrong - it needed a supercap based igniter to light the second stage
2016-09-17T17:26:26 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/BB3kE3k.gifv  < - test of the spin motor and spin separation
2016-09-17T17:30:34 < Steffanx> such clear video *not*
2016-09-17T17:30:37 < Steffanx> *gif
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2016-09-17T17:34:41 < stvn> wtf is that
2016-09-17T17:39:19 < Laurenceb__> http://ultraimg.com/images/2016/09/17/gw8s.jpg
2016-09-17T17:44:54 < stvn> australia
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2016-09-17T17:52:34 < dongs> ok this is a good one
2016-09-17T17:52:51 < dongs> so theres some code like
2016-09-17T17:53:23 < dongs> void func(int a, int b) { int arr[a * b]; fillarr(arr); dmatx(arr); }
2016-09-17T17:53:48 < dongs> and ye,s its a stack-allocated dumbarray
2016-09-17T17:53:51 < dongs> what happens with DMA of it?
2016-09-17T17:59:24 < Tectu> https://github.com/FabioBaroni/WAS
2016-09-17T18:00:10 < dongs> christ, what
2016-09-17T18:00:14 < dongs> python, on windows
2016-09-17T18:00:18 < dongs> where teh fuck do you get off
2016-09-17T18:00:33 < stvn> hi
2016-09-17T18:00:41 < Tectu> virus_en.mp3
2016-09-17T18:00:42 < Tectu> lulz
2016-09-17T18:00:47 < stvn> wut
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2016-09-17T18:02:12 < Tectu> wtf is that guy doing
2016-09-17T18:02:12 < Tectu> https://github.com/FabioBaroni/awesome-exploit-development
2016-09-17T18:02:24 < Tectu> he has a fucking MIT license for a README.md that contains links to books
2016-09-17T18:03:27 < stvn> Tectu: 
2016-09-17T18:03:35 < stvn> can i have some mobey
2016-09-17T18:03:37 < stvn> money
2016-09-17T18:03:51 < Tectu> I don't have any, sorry
2016-09-17T18:03:56 < Tectu> pls move on to the next country
2016-09-17T18:04:03 < stvn> same
2016-09-17T18:04:24 < Tectu> better go to Greece. They get tons of free money from Germany every year
2016-09-17T18:04:37 < dongs> so any DMA pros
2016-09-17T18:04:41 < dongs> zyp: beep, i knwo you know this ;d
2016-09-17T18:05:28 < zyp> sup?
2016-09-17T18:05:45 < dongs> liek 15 lines above the useless python garbage
2016-09-17T18:05:52 < dongs> < dongs> void func(int a, int b) { int arr[a * b]; fillarr(arr); dmatx(arr); }
2016-09-17T18:06:06 < stvn> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Ken_n_dennis.jpg/220px-Ken_n_dennis.jpg
2016-09-17T18:06:08 < zyp> yeah?
2016-09-17T18:06:12 < dongs> that doens't work.
2016-09-17T18:07:06 < dongs> im guessing because the array is stack-allocated shit
2016-09-17T18:07:10 < zyp> yeah, so dmatx() just start job, doesn't wait for it to finish, so it returns, then func() returns
2016-09-17T18:07:16 < dongs> right
2016-09-17T18:07:41 < stvn> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/H4YRPdRXKFs/hqdefault.jpg
2016-09-17T18:07:44 < zyp> then caller of func() calls something else that allocates something else in the same stack space so buffer gets overwritten while dma is still reading
2016-09-17T18:08:04 < dongs> mhm
2016-09-17T18:08:20 < dongs> but i dont get garbage data, i just get DMA stalling waiting for TCIF
2016-09-17T18:08:31 < zyp> that shouldn't happen
2016-09-17T18:08:46 < dongs> it definitely does tho
2016-09-17T18:09:08 < dongs> when i return from that func without starting dma, it works
2016-09-17T18:09:10 < zyp> DMA doesn't give a fuck about what it's reading from/to, it'll run until finish as long as it's getting DMARQs
2016-09-17T18:09:40 < dongs> most of this DMA is from flash, only this one goes from ram
2016-09-17T18:09:44 < dongs> F401 if it makes any diff
2016-09-17T18:09:58 < dongs> don't think there's any restriction  on DMAsrc being flash or ram, right?
2016-09-17T18:10:03 < dongs> and there's no CCM or other weird fuckery on 401
2016-09-17T18:10:06 < zyp> what happens if you add a sleep after dmatx() before returning?
2016-09-17T18:10:16 < dongs> like enough to finish it?
2016-09-17T18:10:21 < zyp> yes
2016-09-17T18:10:46 < zyp> if that still doesn't work, problem is elsewhere
2016-09-17T18:12:02 < dongs> how about i just wait for dmatc right there
2016-09-17T18:12:04 < dongs> instead of sleep
2016-09-17T18:12:57 < dongs> hm. it dies in other DMA.
2016-09-17T18:12:58 < dongs> interesting.
2016-09-17T18:13:10 < dongs> but call stack is same
2016-09-17T18:13:16 < zyp> that also works
2016-09-17T18:13:18 < zyp> yeah, I was wondering if you might be reusing the same channel, and got a conflict or some shit?
2016-09-17T18:13:33 < dongs> its linear tho, no threading
2016-09-17T18:13:43 < dongs> and its same SPI channel/dma/etc
2016-09-17T18:14:31 < zyp> I mean, are you sure you're not starting a dma transmission and then you return and do something else, and try to start another dma job on same channel while the first one is still running?
2016-09-17T18:14:43 < dongs> no
2016-09-17T18:14:57 < dongs> dma is used but in the final transfer routine i wait until its done
2016-09-17T18:15:03 < zyp> no as in «not sure» or «that doesn't happen»?
2016-09-17T18:15:10 < dongs> that doesnt happen
2016-09-17T18:15:16 < dongs> transfer routine doesnt exit until dma is finished
2016-09-17T18:15:20 < zyp> as far as you know :)
2016-09-17T18:15:21 < dongs> so tehre's no way for it to be called again
2016-09-17T18:15:30 < zyp> heh
2016-09-17T18:15:45 < dongs> hmm
2016-09-17T18:15:49 < dongs> also transfer takes const
2016-09-17T18:15:55 < dongs> but this data in ram obivously isnt
2016-09-17T18:16:03 < dongs> is that gonna affect something?
2016-09-17T18:16:51 < zyp> no, a pointer to const is a compiler hint that says «you can read from this addr but you're not allowed to write to it»
2016-09-17T18:18:19 < dongs> igm so i wonder what the problem is
2016-09-17T18:18:28 < zyp> I believe any non-const pointer can be converted into a const pointer implicitly, but not back
2016-09-17T18:18:51 < zyp> i.e. any RW buffer can be passed to something that only needs a RO buffer, but not the other way around
2016-09-17T18:22:01 < zyp> dongs, oh, by the way, what was that thing you wanted for future pcb stuff? a gerber layer with designators?
2016-09-17T18:24:09 < dongs> solved
2016-09-17T18:24:20 < dongs> i wrote some shit to automatically do it from xy and gerber and rotate as needed
2016-09-17T18:24:44 < zyp> okay, so I don't need to care?
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2016-09-17T18:25:39 < zyp> I was thinking about cleaning up the mess I have of part libs
2016-09-17T18:26:30 < dongs> yeah
2016-09-17T18:26:56 < dongs> oh and you were gonna put designator on a layer?
2016-09-17T18:26:56 < zyp> so far I have a lib in each project, and I've been copying shit I need from older projects and adding new shit
2016-09-17T18:27:18 < zyp> and now that I've done a bunch of shit, that's a total mess
2016-09-17T18:28:01 < zyp> so I'm thinking about making a standalone lib, collecting and cleaning up all parts I've made so far and maybe throwing it into git or something
2016-09-17T18:28:36 < zyp> and yeah, if you were going to require a designator layer, I'd rather just add that to the lib itself
2016-09-17T18:28:52 < zyp> but if I don't have to, I'd rather not :p
2016-09-17T18:31:37 < dongs> hm and this fifo shit is having threading issues
2016-09-17T18:32:04 < dongs> if I fill fifo from interrupt and read from main loop, do i jsut __disable_irq() around the .get?
2016-09-17T18:32:09 < dongs> or d oI need ot do something smarter than that
2016-09-17T18:32:27 < stvn> keil
2016-09-17T18:32:42 < zyp> dongs, depends on your application
2016-09-17T18:33:10 < dongs> well its exactly that
2016-09-17T18:33:15 < dongs> IRQ adds entries
2016-09-17T18:33:22 < dongs> main loop takes them out.
2016-09-17T18:33:39 < dongs> inside is just a ringbuffer
2016-09-17T18:33:45 < dongs> data array and in/out pointers.
2016-09-17T18:33:51 < zyp> if your application can handle the potential added interrupt latency by turning them off for a moment, that's a simple solution
2016-09-17T18:34:46 < zyp> in other words, what you're essentially doing is giving the .get higher priority than any irq
2016-09-17T18:34:54 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/d9hN6k29.html
2016-09-17T18:35:18 < dongs> unless i fucked up the acutal ringbuffer shit
2016-09-17T18:35:32 < zyp> but you should be able to do some trick with ldrex/strex
2016-09-17T18:35:33 < dongs> i cant see whats wrong but occasionally i get the app to get count into high negatives
2016-09-17T18:35:59 < dongs> which means it pulls something off and something fails
2016-09-17T18:36:49 < zyp> if you do a RMW with ldrex and strex, strex will abort if an interrupt has occurred between the read and the write
2016-09-17T18:37:59 < zyp> I don't think cortex-m can do 32-bit ldrex/strex though, so you can't use that on pointers directly
2016-09-17T18:38:19 < zyp> but works fine with a 16-bit buffer offset or something instead
2016-09-17T18:40:49 < dongs> hm i could redo the fifo using array offsets instead of pointersr i guess
2016-09-17T18:40:57 < Laurenceb__> too lazy to read scrollback
2016-09-17T18:41:04 < Laurenceb__> set a watchpoint on dma access?
2016-09-17T18:41:11 < Laurenceb__>  i.e. access to dma control registers
2016-09-17T18:42:13 < zyp> dongs, implementation is a bit weird, the full and count vars are kinda pointless
2016-09-17T18:42:15 < dongs> cant reproduce dma stuff again cuz fifo keeps underrunning which is required to make the otheer shit work
2016-09-17T18:42:21 < dongs> zyp, they're for debug
2016-09-17T18:42:24 < dongs> esp .count
2016-09-17T18:42:35 < dongs> as i can currently watch it screaming backwards into int32 land
2016-09-17T18:42:43 < zyp> haha
2016-09-17T18:43:10 < zyp> well, you're doing the && fifo.full thing
2016-09-17T18:43:11 < dongs> and outp keeps going around as well
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2016-09-17T18:43:35 < dongs> full is never set
2016-09-17T18:43:38 < dongs> so its useless anyway
2016-09-17T18:43:38 < zyp> so in your implementation, inp == outp might mean both full and empty
2016-09-17T18:43:46 < Rob235> hi
2016-09-17T18:44:06 < zyp> allowing that is pointless
2016-09-17T18:44:24 < dongs> how else would I know if its empty
2016-09-17T18:44:27 < zyp> I'd write it so that inp == outp always means empty
2016-09-17T18:44:33 < dongs> ah.
2016-09-17T18:45:07 < dongs> so before even pushing anything in
2016-09-17T18:45:07 < zyp> it means that you're wasting one buffer slot, because you can't allow inp to catch up with outp when it's full
2016-09-17T18:45:17 < dongs> if inp+1 == outp = t hen fail
2016-09-17T18:45:18 < dongs> right?
2016-09-17T18:45:21 < stvn> every time i have a problem with c i picture dennis ritchie calling me a faggot
2016-09-17T18:45:28 < zyp> but wasting a buffer word or keeping a separate bool is pretty much same cost
2016-09-17T18:45:35 < zyp> exactly
2016-09-17T18:46:05 < dongs> but what if im at the end of the buffer with inp
2016-09-17T18:46:11 < dongs> and outp is at start
2016-09-17T18:47:14 < zyp> if you only allow 2**n buffer sizes, you just subtract outp from inp and mask with buffer size bitmask
2016-09-17T18:47:26 < dongs> heh i saw that somewehre
2016-09-17T18:47:29 < zyp> (or you could use modulo for whatever buffer size)
2016-09-17T18:48:45 < zyp> for buffer size N elements, count = (in - out) % N
2016-09-17T18:49:04 < zyp> and if count = N-1, buffer is full
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2016-09-17T18:49:24 < zyp> no need to care about wrapping and shit
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2016-09-17T18:54:06 < dongs> zyp, found some shit like
2016-09-17T18:54:17 < dongs> b[ (in++) & (N-1) ] = value; result = b[(out++) & (N-1)]
2016-09-17T18:54:34 < dongs> and just letting in/out free wrap around whatever integer type theyire in
2016-09-17T18:55:28 < zyp> yeah, that works
2016-09-17T18:55:46 < zyp> for N = 2**n
2016-09-17T18:56:09 < dongs> yeah i dont really care about buffer size anyway. i had it at 32 but i dont think it ever gets filled > 5-6 at a time
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2016-09-17T18:56:20 < zyp> for N = 2**n, x % N is equivalent to x & (N - 1)
2016-09-17T18:56:36 < dongs> i still need to check for full/empty tho
2016-09-17T18:56:54 < zyp> 17:48:45 < zyp> for buffer size N elements, count = (in - out) % N
2016-09-17T18:57:07 < dongs> oh
2016-09-17T18:57:09 < zyp> that'll tell you whether it's full or empty or somewhere in between
2016-09-17T18:57:20 < zyp> i.e. (in - out) & (N - 1)
2016-09-17T18:57:47 < dongs> would in/out be unsigned? or it doenst matter
2016-09-17T18:57:55 < dongs> i guess unsigned
2016-09-17T18:58:05 < zyp> doesn't really matter, but unsigned is best
2016-09-17T18:59:00 < zyp> at least if you start messing around with modulo to do weird buffer sizes, because modulo got weird behavior on negative numbers
2016-09-17T19:01:08 < Tectu> uhm, why?
2016-09-17T19:01:18 < Tectu> At least in math modulo of negative numbers is well defined, no?
2016-09-17T19:01:21 < zyp> my rule of thumb is «is it dealing with negative numbers? no? then use unsigned»
2016-09-17T19:02:55 < zyp> Tectu, is it?
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2016-09-17T19:04:22 < dongs> ok fifo fixed
2016-09-17T19:04:25 < dongs> dma shit still dies
2016-09-17T19:04:29 < dongs> even with delay
2016-09-17T19:04:46 < Tectu> zyp, I'm pretty sure it is, yes
2016-09-17T19:06:11 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/TEZDZY81.html zyp, at least its smaller now
2016-09-17T19:06:59 < Tectu> what are you up to, Mr. Dongs?
2016-09-17T19:07:10 < dongs> fixing dumb workcode
2016-09-17T19:07:13 < zyp> dongs, if (fifo.count < MAX_PACKETS) {
2016-09-17T19:07:18 < dongs>  - 1 ?
2016-09-17T19:07:20 < zyp> yes
2016-09-17T19:07:29 < dongs> thoguht so,  will fix on nex build
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2016-09-17T19:08:06 < dongs> like i said the overrun will actually never happen
2016-09-17T19:08:26 < zyp> then why test for it? :)
2016-09-17T19:08:56 < zyp> if you have code to handle a situation, it should handle it correctly, regardless of whether it actually happens or not
2016-09-17T19:09:05 < zyp> otherwise that code is both wrong and pointless
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2016-09-17T19:09:25 < dongs> right right.
2016-09-17T19:10:24 < zyp> I'd make count a local variable in each function though
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2016-09-17T19:11:04 < zyp> if you want to keep a copy for debugging, make a separate write of that, so it becomes a one way operation
2016-09-17T19:11:22 < zyp> that way those functions can't interfere with each other
2016-09-17T19:11:46 < dongs> yeah itsjust for debug
2016-09-17T19:12:02 < zyp> then fifoGet only writes out and fifoPut only writes in, so they can't fuck up
2016-09-17T19:12:05 < dongs> i see what you mea ntho, like put editing count while interrupting get()?
2016-09-17T19:12:14 < zyp> exactly
2016-09-17T19:12:23 < zyp> you want to avoid everything that can turn into races
2016-09-17T19:13:06 < zyp> if you fix that, I think it should work perfectly without locks
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2016-09-17T19:14:45 < zyp> ideally, put shouldn't increment in until after it has put the data in the buffer and get shouldn't increment out until after it has read out the data
2016-09-17T19:15:14 < zyp> because put increments to say «here's new data for you» and get increments to say «here's free space for you»
2016-09-17T19:15:44 < dongs> hmm, so take them out of the array and do post increment in next line?
2016-09-17T19:15:52 < dongs> i dont see how that makes it any more thread-safe tho
2016-09-17T19:15:53 < Tectu> zyp, actually, I don't find much about it except for stackoverflow stuff
2016-09-17T19:15:54 < zyp> yeah
2016-09-17T19:17:26 < dongs> hm i dont get how fifoget will ever make .count zero
2016-09-17T19:17:34 < dongs> o never mind
2016-09-17T19:17:46 < dongs> i'd have to assign it twice tho to do it your way
2016-09-17T19:18:07 < zyp> just assign fifo.count before returning, it's just for debugging
2016-09-17T19:18:17 < dongs> yeah
2016-09-17T19:18:34 < dongs> just haev to do it twice
2016-09-17T19:18:39 < dongs> oh, igotta do it twice in either case
2016-09-17T19:18:45 < dongs> before both returns.
2016-09-17T19:18:52 < dongs> hm not in put case
2016-09-17T19:18:55 < dongs> if its full, count wont change anyway
2016-09-17T19:19:17 < dongs> but get needs both
2016-09-17T19:19:40 < zyp> Tectu, okay, so given that 4 % 3 is 1 and (4 - 3) % 3 is 1, what do you expect (4 - 3 - 3) % 3 to be?
2016-09-17T19:21:31 < zyp> Tectu, also (4 - 3 - 3 - 3) % 3?
2016-09-17T19:23:30 < zyp> hint: 5 & 3 is 1, (5 - 4) & 3 is 1, (5 - 4 - 4) & 3 is 1, (5 - 4 - 4 - 4) & 3 is 1
2016-09-17T19:24:43 < Tectu> zyp, I'm not going to touch that. I'm not a math guy.
2016-09-17T19:25:03 < Tectu> zyp, I remember that my math prof talked about it in one of is lectures.
2016-09-17T19:25:09 < zyp> it's not about math, it's about common sense
2016-09-17T19:25:14 < dongs> k, i think its all working
2016-09-17T19:25:20 < dongs> well, at least fifo part
2016-09-17T19:25:31 < dongs> not seeing it run off into negativeland either
2016-09-17T19:26:17 < zyp> Tectu, anyway, in C++, the correct answer is -2
2016-09-17T19:26:19 < zyp> also C
2016-09-17T19:28:22 < zyp> for some dumbfuck reason, -x % y == -(x % y) in C/C++
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2016-09-17T19:30:00 < zyp> which means that (x + N*n) % N == x for 0 <= x < N is only true for positive n
2016-09-17T19:30:13 < zyp> in python, it's true for all n
2016-09-17T19:30:18 < dongs> zyp, operator precendence?
2016-09-17T19:30:21 < dongs> hte -x shit
2016-09-17T19:30:26 < dongs> % takes priority, tehn minuses it all
2016-09-17T19:30:47 < zyp> no, it's the operator itself being dumb
2016-09-17T19:31:43 < zyp> the standard used to say «If both operands are nonnegative then the remainder is nonnegative; if not, the sign of the remainder is implementation-defined.», but all common implementations did it the dumb way, so now that's standard
2016-09-17T19:31:54 < dongs> btw did you see this gem i found in work code
2016-09-17T19:31:55 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/683YEn96.html
2016-09-17T19:32:05 < zyp> haha, yeah
2016-09-17T19:32:10 < dongs> just wow
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2016-09-17T19:36:54 < Rob235> blah
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2016-09-17T20:19:09 < Rob235> wonderful, installed the win10 update and my vmware bootcamp partition stopped working
2016-09-17T20:27:11 < Steffanx> awh
2016-09-17T20:29:05 < Rob235> all fixed now
2016-09-17T20:29:40 < Rob235> I wonder if the new version of vmware fusion was partly due to that error... should have updated that first, oh well
2016-09-17T20:35:11 < Steffanx> you boot in vmware and boot normally using hte same partition / windows installation?
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2016-09-17T20:40:40 < Rob235> yes? not sure if I follow what you mean
2016-09-17T20:41:22 < Rob235> I boot into OS X as my main OS and then run windows10 from an actual partition on the hard drive in vmware
2016-09-17T20:44:11 < zyp> but you can also boot directly into it?
2016-09-17T20:46:18 < Rob235> yea
2016-09-17T20:46:35 < zyp> how well does sharing a windows installation like that work?
2016-09-17T20:47:02 < Steffanx> it worked great for me.. until like ~a month ago
2016-09-17T20:47:10 < Rob235> works awesome, I love it
2016-09-17T20:47:28 < Steffanx> a windows update in the vm broke it booting it directly, and fixing that broke it entirely.
2016-09-17T20:47:32 < Rob235> just use 3 fingers to slide to the screen over and theres my windows desktop
2016-09-17T20:47:59 < Steffanx> -t
2016-09-17T20:48:00 < Steffanx> it
2016-09-17T20:48:42 < Rob235> I can't keep vmware open that long with it without rebooting it or it gets really slow
2016-09-17T20:48:57 < Steffanx> never had issues with that.
2016-09-17T20:49:18 < Rob235> thats usually if I accidentally keep it on overnight
2016-09-17T20:49:24 < Rob235> then I can barely use it
2016-09-17T20:49:42 < Tectu> I have a machine here running VMware Workstation pro with two to five VMs running simultaneously for almost two months now w/o rebooting and it works very well
2016-09-17T20:49:49 < Tectu> but those use virtual disks, though
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2016-09-17T20:50:06 < Steffanx> only issue i had is that i paid for the license, then upgraded os x to find out the version i paid for no longer runs on that newer os x -_-
2016-09-17T20:50:49 < Rob235> well, when it works, its awesome using it
2016-09-17T20:50:51 < Rob235> :)
2016-09-17T20:51:12 < Tectu> I only have very positive experiences with vmware so far. But I don't do OS X / MacOS and other strange stuff with it
2016-09-17T20:56:54 < zyp> I also use vmware, but only for pure VMs, no shared stuff
2016-09-17T20:57:05 < zyp> and I haven't really had any problems with long running VMs
2016-09-17T20:57:23 < zyp> I have some shit that I never reboot, just suspend and resume when I need them
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2016-09-17T20:59:34 < zyp> hmm, my xp VM claims it has an uptime of 568 days
2016-09-17T20:59:36 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I pay 750 rubles per month for my Internet connection, 50 MB/s Ethernet + one IPv4 and zero IPv6.
2016-09-17T20:59:52 < zyp> I guess it just stores boot time and calculates elapsed since that
2016-09-17T21:00:14 < zyp> actual running time is probably way less
2016-09-17T21:02:06 < Steffanx> Yeah, but i dont know what the average russian gets per month so i have no clue if 1500 rubles per month is much for the average russian
2016-09-17T21:02:09 < zyp> ah, yeah, boot date was feb 27. 2015
2016-09-17T21:02:09 < Steffanx> for a gaming server
2016-09-17T21:07:54 < Laurenceb__> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1ca_1474124968
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2016-09-17T21:12:20 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I think average in Moscow 66880 rub/month, for the russia as a whole,  36200 rub/month.
2016-09-17T21:15:51 < Steffanx> hm ok, then 1.5k might be too much for some people.
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2016-09-17T21:16:10 < Steffanx> thank you PaulFertser
2016-09-17T21:16:44 < Steffanx> Must be a russian thing then.
2016-09-17T21:19:39 < zyp> median != average
2016-09-17T21:20:56 < zyp> R2COM, I'd say python is worth learning, but I guess it depends a bit on what you already know
2016-09-17T21:21:40 < zyp> if you already know a quick to write scripting language, you might not need another
2016-09-17T21:22:07 < zyp> IMO python's number one benefit is that it's quick to write and get results with
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2016-09-17T21:23:20 < zyp> you could write any utility you need in assembly, you don't need C
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2016-09-17T21:23:26 < zyp> but you still prefer C, right?
2016-09-17T21:23:52 < zyp> exactly
2016-09-17T21:24:52 < BrainDamage> any string manipulation in c for instance is overly complicated
2016-09-17T21:24:56 < zyp> yeah
2016-09-17T21:25:09 < Steffanx> Just dont mention it when mr d. is around and you are ok using python ;)
2016-09-17T21:25:52 < Steffanx> no idea, but there is this unfunded hate for python.
2016-09-17T21:27:25 < Tectu> R2COM \o/
2016-09-17T21:34:56 < Tectu> for some reason I know perl but no python
2016-09-17T21:35:12 < Steffanx> i feel sorry for you
2016-09-17T21:35:50 < Tectu> not sure why everybody bitches about perl
2016-09-17T21:35:54 < Tectu> but I never used python so... 
2016-09-17T21:36:08 < BrainDamage> because perl encourages to write unreadable 1 liners
2016-09-17T21:36:29 < Steffanx> doesn't python have the same issue a bit? 
2016-09-17T21:36:51 < BrainDamage> to a lesser degree, it doesn't have all the 1 symbol operators
2016-09-17T21:38:35 < Tectu> ~= is probably the best thing that ever happened
2016-09-17T21:38:39 < BrainDamage> also the obsession of perl users for regex
2016-09-17T21:38:42 < BrainDamage> yeah, that
2016-09-17T21:38:44 < Tectu> lol
2016-09-17T21:39:04 < Tectu> my regex obsession actually started after I touched perl
2016-09-17T21:43:59 < BrainDamage> http://codepad.org/7K1O36d6 snippet from the config section of a perl script i had to edit once
2016-09-17T21:45:00 < PaulFertser> R2COM: yes, what zyp says, median is not average
2016-09-17T21:45:36 < PaulFertser> I talked to a garbage collector yesterday, he said he earns 20000 rubles/month and he doesn't pay anything for the room he lives in.
2016-09-17T21:53:51 < upgrdman> is his room full of garbage?
2016-09-17T21:54:34 < Steffanx> do you qualify?
2016-09-17T21:54:35 < BrainDamage> no, full of java code
2016-09-17T21:54:52 < upgrdman> :)
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2016-09-17T21:55:27 < Steffanx> better c#
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2016-09-17T21:58:09 < upgrdman> is python strictly typed?
2016-09-17T21:59:02 < BrainDamage> it's duck typed
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2016-09-17T22:12:08 < upgrdman> 20krub == ?$
2016-09-17T22:13:51 < Steffanx> https://www.google.nl/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=20000%20ruble%20to%20dollar ;)
2016-09-17T22:14:03 < Rob235> yea srsly, convert it to the only currency that matters, USD :)
2016-09-17T22:15:14 < upgrdman> $300/month, damn that sucks
2016-09-17T22:17:30 < Rob235> thats cable and cellphone bill right there
2016-09-17T22:23:53 < Steffanx> but that's also a bit over the top imho.
2016-09-17T22:27:07 < Rob235> agreed, thats why I dropped cable
2016-09-17T22:28:08 < zyp> 20:36:08 < BrainDamage> because perl encourages to write unreadable 1 liners
2016-09-17T22:28:08 < zyp> 20:36:29 < Steffanx> doesn't python have the same issue a bit? 
2016-09-17T22:28:16 < zyp> no, python oneliners tend to be readable :p
2016-09-17T22:29:15 < Steffanx> YEAH totally.
2016-09-17T22:30:37 < zyp> it's usually some shit around a genexp, and the syntax for that is not bad
2016-09-17T22:32:17 < zyp> genexp iterating over some input, filtering it somehow and feeding the result into a function that can reduce it to usable output
2016-09-17T22:33:49 < zyp> I visited my brother the other day, he just started learning python at uni and were writing some hangman game
2016-09-17T22:34:08 < zyp> so he were writing some code to print the word, masking the letters that's not found yet
2016-09-17T22:34:36 < zyp> masked_word = ''.join(c if c in found_letters else '_' for c in word)
2016-09-17T22:41:08 < Steffanx> :)
2016-09-17T22:42:03 < aandrew> wow cable+internet is USD$300/mo for you?
2016-09-17T22:42:46 < Rob235> tv+internet was $150, two cellphones is also $150
2016-09-17T22:43:07 < aandrew> 100/10 cable here is USD$65, don't subscribe to crap cable tv. just netflix, a newsbin index and newsgroup server
2016-09-17T22:43:36 < Rob235> I just dropped cable tv this past month, 150/?? is $85
2016-09-17T22:44:27 < Rob235> and found out I was on a 75/10 plan which was only $3 less a month than the 150
2016-09-17T22:44:52 < Rob235> so now just the 150 internet
2016-09-17T22:45:06 < aandrew> yeah my cellphone cost is nuts. $175 for three phones and I think 5G data
2016-09-17T22:45:25 < Rob235> US you said? what provider do you have
2016-09-17T22:45:40 < aandrew> no I"m converting to USD, I'm in Canada
2016-09-17T22:45:45 < Rob235> oh ok
2016-09-17T22:45:47 < Rob235> thanks :)
2016-09-17T22:46:22 < Rob235> I just got asked if I was in highschool in #dRonin
2016-09-17T22:46:37 < Rob235> for wanting to write a flight controller
2016-09-17T22:47:03 < BrainDamage> are you?
2016-09-17T22:47:08 < Rob235> just because its been done so many times.  Can't people do shit to learn?
2016-09-17T22:47:13 < Rob235> hah no
2016-09-17T22:48:47 < Tectu> I always thought aandrew is from russia
2016-09-17T22:49:08 < Steffanx> lolyou.
2016-09-17T23:16:19 < aandrew> Tectu: lol
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2016-09-17T23:21:54 < upgrdman> if you made a data structure and it doesnt have a well known name, whats a decent generic name? datastore? database? repo?
2016-09-17T23:26:26 < Emil> ":D"
2016-09-17T23:26:52 < Emil> upgrdman: what kind of struct?
2016-09-17T23:29:39 < PaulFertser> R2COM: where do your statistics on average income come from?
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2016-09-17T23:40:11 < PaulFertser> I wonder what do you people think about lying in bed in clothing that one was using outdoors, including public transport?
2016-09-17T23:42:09 < Rob235> If I'm in my apartment, I'm not wearing clothes
2016-09-17T23:42:18 < Rob235> so I don't have to worry about that
2016-09-17T23:42:59 < PaulFertser> What if it's cold outside and you're too lazy and too cold for you to immediately disrobe and you want to have a nap or so?
2016-09-17T23:43:41 < upgrdman> move to a modern climate ;)
2016-09-17T23:43:48 < Rob235> turn the heat up
2016-09-17T23:43:52 < PaulFertser> Offer me a job and i will
2016-09-17T23:43:54 < Rob235> and blankets should do the trick
2016-09-17T23:44:07 < Rob235> if not, find the electric blanket first
2016-09-17T23:44:12 < PaulFertser> Rob235: central heating is not individually controlled. But it's much cheaper.
2016-09-17T23:44:15 < Rob235> then it doesn't matter how cold it is in the room 
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2016-09-17T23:45:21 < Rob235> my apartment has free oil central heating but it doesnt usually get warm enough so we have an electric heater
2016-09-17T23:45:40 < Rob235> its an old building
2016-09-17T23:45:52 < upgrdman> but seriously, when i was shanghai'd, i'd take the buses or subways and wear the same cloths all day
2016-09-17T23:46:51 < PaulFertser> And you thought it's ok to lie in bed in the same clothes?
2016-09-17T23:47:21 < upgrdman> tolerable.
2016-09-17T23:47:21 < Steffanx> and then, the next day in the same cloths to work PaulFertser?
2016-09-17T23:47:40 < upgrdman> but the pub transit in shanghai is pretty clean
2016-09-17T23:48:07 < upgrdman> main gripe is everywhere is packed. literally squeezed against people most of hte time :(
2016-09-17T23:48:09 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I guess I'll have to search pubmed or something to tell if it's ok from hygiene point of view or not... 
2016-09-17T23:52:34 < Rob235> ok, Ive decided... Instead of working more on this autotune which apparently won't work well at all, I'm going to get the new sd card data logger working and just log the results of the autotune test along a range and see what it comes up with and if needed just manually tune from there so I can at least get a good tune with it to fly between tests
2016-09-17T23:54:24 < kakimir> lie in bed in the same clothes? who is talking about me?
2016-09-17T23:54:43 < kakimir> I have had same clothes on only second week now!
2016-09-17T23:55:23 < kakimir> let me tell about a real clothing innovation
2016-09-17T23:55:53 < kakimir> such material that leaves you astonished
2016-09-17T23:57:30 < kakimir> but I have whole day my working clothes so.. and at night I take clothes off
2016-09-17T23:59:47 < kakimir> anyways http://d4nuk0dd6nrma.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/merino.jpg this is the shit
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2016-09-18T00:05:59 < kakimir> wear it like hobo for a few weeks, hang it to breathe for few hours
2016-09-18T00:06:08 < kakimir> 0 stink
2016-09-18T00:09:12 < upgrdman> disgusting
2016-09-18T00:09:22 < upgrdman> im proud of you kakimir
2016-09-18T00:11:54 < kakimir> you can wear even normal clothes for quite a long period if you have different work clothes and shower every time after works
2016-09-18T00:12:16 < kakimir> because air
2016-09-18T00:25:32 < upgrdman> oops. messed up the logic on my data strcture, it allocated 64GB of memory at initialization. lol
2016-09-18T00:25:56 < upgrdman> side note, SSDs do a decent job of masking the drawback of paged memory
2016-09-18T00:28:21 < kakimir> what are these photos of girls with mechanical arm about?
2016-09-18T00:28:30 < upgrdman> ?
2016-09-18T00:29:23 < Steffanx> You should share your screen kakimir. Sometimes you seem to forget we dont see what you see :P
2016-09-18T00:32:05 < kakimir> I wound finally some good scifi trilogy yesterday
2016-09-18T00:32:19 < kakimir> italian star wars kind of thing
2016-09-18T00:32:58 < kakimir> *found
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2016-09-18T00:50:03 < kakimir> only 2 movies apparently
2016-09-18T00:50:14 < kakimir> "Dark Resurrenction"
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2016-09-18T00:57:15 < kakimir> VAG?
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2016-09-18T01:07:05 < Thorn> >even the torque wrench is $500 or so
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2016-09-18T01:09:26 < upgrdman> wuts centerlock? some propreitary socket?
2016-09-18T01:10:32 < kakimir> englishman: you speak finnish?
2016-09-18T01:10:38 < upgrdman> o
2016-09-18T01:10:58 < kakimir> crearly not
2016-09-18T01:11:27 < kakimir> you should say "en" for I do not
2016-09-18T01:17:55 < sync> but centerlock!
2016-09-18T01:20:17 < sync> yeah the design is complete bullshit
2016-09-18T01:27:03 < kakimir> take it to tune shop for reprogramming
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2016-09-18T01:44:36 < upgrdman> i keep getting those sounds of usb-connect / usb-disconnect in windows 10. is there some equiv of "dmesg" to see what was recently connected and disconnected?
2016-09-18T01:48:43 < emeb_mac> you don't need to know that
2016-09-18T01:48:51 < emeb_mac> because bill gates
2016-09-18T01:57:38 < kakimir> some system log option?
2016-09-18T02:21:54 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkZGL7RQBVw
2016-09-18T02:38:41 < Laurenceb__> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/fee8a63162d8f97034d777e17dea2fc3673e55bc9bd980115fd4b61ee69507d0.png
2016-09-18T02:40:11 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNksT4duzRI
2016-09-18T02:43:27 < Laurenceb__> smartphone lulwut
2016-09-18T02:43:43 < Laurenceb__> WHAt THE FUCK
2016-09-18T02:43:54 < Laurenceb__> commentard was telling the truth
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2016-09-18T02:49:19 < kakimir> nowdays you can do pretty much everything using smartphone as platform
2016-09-18T02:52:24 < BrainDamage> hard realtime control where safety and correctness is paramount isn't part of that everything
2016-09-18T02:53:52 < kakimir> they probably didn't use it in F16
2016-09-18T02:54:21 < BrainDamage> you wouldn't trust it even with a cessna
2016-09-18T02:54:22 < kakimir> you think there is some android phone burried inside F16 having access to fly-by-wire system?
2016-09-18T02:54:27 < BrainDamage> no
2016-09-18T02:54:33 < BrainDamage> not a chance
2016-09-18T02:55:40 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOYsI1cqUrw audi challenges tesla. their system also does laptimes
2016-09-18T02:58:32 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2j2-DqcPfM the ad
2016-09-18T03:00:17 < Laurenceb__> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.04327v1.pdf
2016-09-18T03:00:26 < Laurenceb__> lul this is how I thought they could haxor it
2016-09-18T03:00:29 < Laurenceb__> hardcore soldering
2016-09-18T03:01:16 < Laurenceb__> well NASA have a license for vxworks and lots of pc104 kit hanging around as well as people who like to use that kind of kit
2016-09-18T03:01:23 < Laurenceb__> so the answer would seem obvious
2016-09-18T03:02:41 < kakimir> involves iproduct - who reads this
2016-09-18T03:02:45 < Laurenceb__> NAND package with 330ºC hot ai"
2016-09-18T03:02:48 < Laurenceb__> eek
2016-09-18T03:02:52 < Laurenceb__> a bit on the hot side
2016-09-18T03:04:10 < Laurenceb__> lol they almost killed it by corrupting the nand
2016-09-18T03:05:11 < Laurenceb__> looks like 100mhz bus to me, speedy
2016-09-18T03:07:42 < Laurenceb__> lul @ pic24
2016-09-18T03:08:37 < kakimir> I found some pretty interesting music video Laurenceb__ 
2016-09-18T03:08:41 < Laurenceb__> although the PMP port seems pretty fast
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2016-09-18T03:19:04 < Laurenceb__> wow bbc is going full anti Putin
2016-09-18T03:19:08 < Laurenceb__> 100% attack mode
2016-09-18T03:19:46 < kakimir> there what do you think Laurenceb__  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XzqCUbiPc4 
2016-09-18T03:20:01 < kakimir> quite disturbing
2016-09-18T03:20:48 < kakimir> music is actully quite good
2016-09-18T03:24:24 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_(novel)
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2016-09-18T03:40:27 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: there is nuclear weapon indicating isotopes on mars soil?
2016-09-18T03:42:16 < kakimir> they say mars surface looks like it has(had) rivers and oceans
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2016-09-18T03:59:15 < aandrew> that is one fucked up video
2016-09-18T03:59:25 < aandrew> almost as distrubing as the prolapse video
2016-09-18T04:03:23 < Laurenceb__> its lame and generic
2016-09-18T04:03:59 < Laurenceb__> https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=bc40bf5ced4d0422075c3256049882af
2016-09-18T04:08:15 < Laurenceb__> maybe I should enter..
2016-09-18T04:09:02 < Laurenceb__> I don't have any ideas
2016-09-18T04:10:59 < kakimir> sleep>
2016-09-18T04:11:04 < Laurenceb__> lul Gantt charts
2016-09-18T04:11:28 < Laurenceb__> can't find moneyz anywhere :(
2016-09-18T04:14:09 < Laurenceb__> also have to be murican
2016-09-18T04:14:36 < Laurenceb__> better start eating big macs, get my motorized wheelchair and NRA hat
2016-09-18T04:18:34 < Laurenceb__> epin lulz http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37397391
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2016-09-18T04:19:40 < Laurenceb__> police went full retard - smash side window with elbow
2016-09-18T04:24:09 < aandrew> Laurenceb__: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZLl1CUT9s
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2016-09-18T05:13:12 < upgrdman> needs more milk  http://giphy.com/gifs/office-coffee-and-milk-3o7TKVfggGVdkvjAbK
2016-09-18T05:19:19 < upgrdman> typical jap dinner   https://gfycat.com/LikelyAbsoluteIguana
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2016-09-18T07:11:54 < LeelooMinai> typical upgrdman link... :p
2016-09-18T07:12:04 < stvn> hi all
2016-09-18T07:12:06 < upgrdman> which one :)
2016-09-18T07:12:17 < LeelooMinai> I stopped at the first one...
2016-09-18T07:12:43 < stvn> are they like Laurenceb's links?
2016-09-18T07:13:05 < LeelooMinai> Don't know what Laurenceb links are like:)
2016-09-18T07:13:30 < Getty> watching "under arrest" is very disturbing...... did they actually had any training at all?!......
2016-09-18T07:13:39 < upgrdman> stvn:
2016-09-18T07:13:45 < upgrdman> <upgrdman> typical jap dinner   https://gfycat.com/LikelyAbsoluteIguana
2016-09-18T07:14:38 < upgrdman> it just keeps getting better :)
2016-09-18T07:15:58 < stvn> lol
2016-09-18T07:16:09 < stvn> i wonder if dongs has had a similar experience
2016-09-18T07:18:19 < LeelooMinai> As to the dongs, I had a feeling that I have seen a person with similar weird behaviour - using words like "nigger", "jew", etc. in each sentence, behabing erratically, and in general behaving as a madman.
2016-09-18T07:18:39 < LeelooMinai> That TempleOS guy!
2016-09-18T07:18:49 < upgrdman> templejew says nigger?
2016-09-18T07:19:01 < LeelooMinai> Could it be him? Did god tell him to write an OS for stm32s?
2016-09-18T07:19:07 < upgrdman> no
2016-09-18T07:19:23 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: no, because you are him or what? :p
2016-09-18T07:19:23 < upgrdman> templejew just seems mentally disfigured
2016-09-18T07:19:50 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Right, so, that's my point:)
2016-09-18T07:19:57 < upgrdman> but not vulgar
2016-09-18T07:20:27 < LeelooMinai> Well, he kind of was at times.
2016-09-18T07:20:50 < upgrdman> hmmm ok. i only watched a few minutes of his vids and then the novelty wore off
2016-09-18T07:21:02 < dongs> sup pros
2016-09-18T07:21:04 < PeterM> dongs seems like a pretty normal internet person
2016-09-18T07:21:09 < LeelooMinai> lol
2016-09-18T07:21:24 < PeterM> temple os guy on thje other hand...
2016-09-18T07:21:25 < LeelooMinai> What a scary thought.
2016-09-18T07:21:29 < upgrdman> i wouldnt want him to be any other way
2016-09-18T07:21:54 < PeterM> nm, just feedin and waterin my lizards
2016-09-18T07:22:50 < stvn> i filled my lawnmower with petrol but my slave drained the tank then jumped the fence
2016-09-18T07:23:34  * LeelooMinai points to electric lawnmowers
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2016-09-18T07:24:12 < upgrdman> then his slave would steal the battery
2016-09-18T07:24:16 < upgrdman> and try to smoke it
2016-09-18T07:24:42 < PeterM> electric lawnmowers are about as useful as tits on a bull
2016-09-18T07:24:45 < LeelooMinai> I thought that slavery in Australia never happened...
2016-09-18T07:25:20 < LeelooMinai> Well, they never tun out of gas and do not polute your lawn...
2016-09-18T07:25:49 < LeelooMinai> The only drawback is you need a cable, but that may be not a big deal unlress your "lawn" is the size of a football field:)
2016-09-18T07:26:45 < upgrdman> cables are gay
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2016-09-18T07:27:33 < LeelooMinai> Poluting your own lawn and then having a pet like cat or dog eating the grass is gay too:p
2016-09-18T07:28:59 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, on this L4 there's 64KB of RAM, but only 16 can be preserved in the stop mode.
2016-09-18T07:29:15 < dongs> yes
2016-09-18T07:29:23 < dongs> why does that surprise you
2016-09-18T07:29:30 < LeelooMinai> I guess I will try to confine myself to that 16KB
2016-09-18T07:30:05 < upgrdman> confined with a ball gag
2016-09-18T07:30:48 < LeelooMinai> It's surpsrising I guess that they decided to have two kinds of RAM. The 16KB also can do hardware parity and write protection.
2016-09-18T07:31:11 < LeelooMinai> But they can also are mapped into one 64KB area without those features I guess.
2016-09-18T07:31:38 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, i do believe that lawn still turns a net environmenal profit as far as pollution goes. also, the electricity from the wall, tis gotta come from somewhere, it also pollutes. and then there are the other drawbacks, like,, they can't cut thick grass
2016-09-18T07:31:48 < LeelooMinai> Well, 64KB is a lot anyways - I was using it mostly for SEGGER SystemView buffers and debuggoing stuff like that.
2016-09-18T07:32:21 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: Ok, but my point was that whatever animal eats grass from that lawn (like cats like), it will not be healthy.
2016-09-18T07:33:00 < PeterM> i thought cats and dogs only ate grass to htrow up anyway?
2016-09-18T07:33:11 < stvn> thats what i thought
2016-09-18T07:33:13 < LeelooMinai> Yes, so? :)
2016-09-18T07:33:31 < PeterM> well if the grass has bad stuff on it, it will get thrown up too.
2016-09-18T07:33:38 < LeelooMinai> They do not always throw up afet reating iot.
2016-09-18T07:33:44 < LeelooMinai> after*
2016-09-18T07:34:02 < stvn> my cat went missing
2016-09-18T07:34:09 < PeterM> its like 7/10 times they do
2016-09-18T07:34:25 < stvn> my neighbours are asian, i think they ate it
2016-09-18T07:34:53 < dongs> hmm
2016-09-18T07:34:55 < LeelooMinai> Or it eate your grass and decided to leave the unhleathy place.
2016-09-18T07:35:48 < stvn> LeelooMinai, perhaps the cat was abducted by aliens
2016-09-18T07:36:00 < Getty> lol
2016-09-18T07:36:34 < LeelooMinai> I guess there are people that when they lose a cat suspend that first... Not me though:p
2016-09-18T07:36:56 < dongs> huh wtf
2016-09-18T07:37:04 < dongs> https://www.segger.com/admin/uploads/productDocs/UM08001_JLink.pdf according to this
2016-09-18T07:37:15 < dongs> Jlink V8 (which is what my jlink-edu is) cannot handle "cortex M4"
2016-09-18T07:37:20 < dongs> while it clearly works just fine
2016-09-18T07:37:32 < LeelooMinai> Right, I use it right now with L4
2016-09-18T07:37:33 < dongs> around page 32
2016-09-18T07:37:48 < stvn>  /admin/ wut
2016-09-18T07:37:59 < dongs> 8.0 used some cloneable NXP part, 9.x switched to STM#2F205
2016-09-18T07:38:38 < LeelooMinai> Isn't it 9.0 though?
2016-09-18T07:39:28 < dongs> sayts version 8.0 on the label on teh back
2016-09-18T07:39:46 < LeelooMinai> Well, mine says 9.4: http://i.imgur.com/wCVvIKd.png
2016-09-18T07:39:58 < dongs> oh
2016-09-18T07:40:01 < dongs> lets ese what that shit says
2016-09-18T07:40:14 < dongs> Hardware version: V8.00
2016-09-18T07:40:17 < dongs> yours is edu?
2016-09-18T07:40:21 < LeelooMinai> Right
2016-09-18T07:40:23 < dongs> from digikey?
2016-09-18T07:40:34 < LeelooMinai> But I bought it not so long ago from Digi I think
2016-09-18T07:40:42 < LeelooMinai> Maybe few months?
2016-09-18T07:41:00 < dongs> hmm
2016-09-18T07:41:07 < dongs> both digikey and mouser list themn as part# 8.xx
2016-09-18T07:41:07 < LeelooMinai> It has 9.4 on the sticker too though
2016-09-18T07:41:34 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but that's the part number, I have 8.08.90 too
2016-09-18T07:41:55 < dongs> 9.4 isnt even on their user manual list
2016-09-18T07:41:57 < LeelooMinai> But version is there too and it's 9.4
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2016-09-18T07:45:04 < dongs> holy shit that systemview looks useful as fuck
2016-09-18T07:45:11 < dongs> furiously integrating this into my IoT dildo project
2016-09-18T07:45:42 < LeelooMinai> Ok...
2016-09-18T07:46:04 < LeelooMinai> It is useful.
2016-09-18T07:46:58 < LeelooMinai> It's so useful that I made mine few years ago even, and then they came up with theirs:p
2016-09-18T07:47:28 < LeelooMinai> I have proof too: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/15267769128
2016-09-18T07:47:55 < LeelooMinai> Mine was in a sense even more advanced since it could read dwarf info from  elf files.
2016-09-18T07:48:07 < LeelooMinai> and used ARM trace mechanism.
2016-09-18T07:48:28 < LeelooMinai> But I have no time to maintain it and do other projects at once, so I use SystemView.
2016-09-18T07:48:53 < dongs> cool python application bro
2016-09-18T07:48:56 < LeelooMinai> BTW, that trace on the top there is done using OpenGL.
2016-09-18T07:49:22 < LeelooMinai> That's Eclipse platform you ignoramus:p
2016-09-18T07:51:02 < LeelooMinai> Wrote whole elf/dwarf parser for it - it was a bit OCD idea, but, well, that's how I wanted to see the interrupts, threads, etc. on a graph.
2016-09-18T07:53:25 < LeelooMinai> I had pretty cool visualisations and info there: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/15766823011
2016-09-18T07:54:01 < LeelooMinai> But well, what can one do - I will have to live with Segger:)
2016-09-18T07:56:11 < dongs> what is the _RAM_BASE thing?
2016-09-18T07:56:13 < dongs> is that the buffer?
2016-09-18T07:56:38 < LeelooMinai> Where?
2016-09-18T07:56:54 < dongs> the sysview trash
2016-09-18T07:56:57 < dongs> their docs are awful
2016-09-18T07:57:50 < LeelooMinai> I know there's ID_BASE, not sure if that's the same thing
2016-09-18T07:58:17 < LeelooMinai> Basically the IDs are pointers, so if ram starts at some point they would subtract this to increase the compression.
2016-09-18T07:59:06 < LeelooMinai> Right, it's the same thing.
2016-09-18T07:59:29 < dongs> but stm has ram at 0x2000whatever
2016-09-18T07:59:35 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/ezn9APl.png
2016-09-18T07:59:47 < LeelooMinai> Yes, that's why it's prefereble to define it right.
2016-09-18T08:00:11 < dongs> ok, its building and looks like its allocating a static  thing in ram, so that part is good
2016-09-18T08:00:49 < LeelooMinai> Yes, in fact it grabs data through debugger directly from RAM buffer - a bit weird, but whatever I guess.
2016-09-18T08:01:03 < LeelooMinai> In mine I was using ARM trace pins.
2016-09-18T08:01:22 < LeelooMinai> They are streaming this stuff through SWD, but it's pretty fast actually.
2016-09-18T08:02:10 < LeelooMinai> You can even dump the buffer data with gdb and load it into SystemView - I did it initially (forgot why).
2016-09-18T08:03:02 < dongs> i use live data view in keil through swd all the time.
2016-09-18T08:03:10 < dongs> the watch/memory windows do the same thing as this I guess
2016-09-18T08:03:16 < dongs> but i wanna see pretty graphs
2016-09-18T08:03:45 < Thorn> suddenly innovation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjWcE25s7kQ
2016-09-18T08:03:51 < LeelooMinai> Well, what I always wanted is proper ARM trace support, but J-Link hardware for this is overpriced ($1k... lol)
2016-09-18T08:04:29 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: That's pretty cool:)
2016-09-18T08:04:56 < LeelooMinai> If all game nerds would play like that, they would be less overweight.
2016-09-18T08:06:01 < LeelooMinai> But I guess they would need to start with easy-mode - on the floor...
2016-09-18T08:07:08 < LeelooMinai> Also, the black guy has advantage - the dide has arms and legs like a spider:/
2016-09-18T08:07:33 < LeelooMinai> I guess they should make scalable version where you enter your lib lengths:)
2016-09-18T08:07:40 < LeelooMinai> limb*
2016-09-18T08:10:57 < dongs> ok so i think i added all the shit and added some instrumentation in sysdick and remaining lone interrupt i have
2016-09-18T08:11:00 < dongs> lets see if this shit works
2016-09-18T08:11:38 < LeelooMinai> They have a filter in SystemView - if they detect variable named "sysdick" etc. in the elf, it erases the boot sector.
2016-09-18T08:12:59 < dongs> Failed to start recording.
2016-09-18T08:12:59 < dongs> RTT Control Block not found.
2016-09-18T08:13:00 < dongs> wat
2016-09-18T08:13:37 < dongs> 2154        154         26         13      20747      20627   segger_sysview.o
2016-09-18T08:13:42 < dongs> has 20k zi-data
2016-09-18T08:13:44 < dongs> and ~2k of code
2016-09-18T08:14:07 < LeelooMinai> I would first check if your app did not hard-fault or something:)
2016-09-18T08:14:16 < LeelooMinai> You can use debugger at the same time.
2016-09-18T08:14:17 < dongs> of course not, its running
2016-09-18T08:14:24 < dongs> yes, and i am debugging it.
2016-09-18T08:14:46 < dongs> i ahve SEGGER_SYSVIEW_Conf() in main and enter/exit ISR shit
2016-09-18T08:14:48 < dongs> is that all i need?
2016-09-18T08:15:34 < LeelooMinai> Well, that's what I needed to put in my project for this: http://i.imgur.com/fvwXcQS.png
2016-09-18T08:15:38 < Thorn> so it doesn't use SWV?
2016-09-18T08:15:43 < LeelooMinai> No
2016-09-18T08:15:44 < Thorn> software only?
2016-09-18T08:16:11 < LeelooMinai> As I wrote - it used debugger I think to grab the circular buffer data from RAM directly.
2016-09-18T08:16:16 < LeelooMinai> uses*
2016-09-18T08:16:30 < dongs> yeah teh stuff builds
2016-09-18T08:16:35 < dongs> and runs
2016-09-18T08:18:24 < LeelooMinai> Did you init it in the main?
2016-09-18T08:18:32 < dongs> otehr than _Conf?
2016-09-18T08:19:04 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/jvhKkOt.png
2016-09-18T08:19:16 < LeelooMinai> You need _Start() too
2016-09-18T08:19:32 < dongs> pffffffft
2016-09-18T08:20:14 < dongs> wut
2016-09-18T08:20:17 < dongs> its STILL not working
2016-09-18T08:21:07 < dongs> hmm
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2016-09-18T08:21:15 < dongs> looks like i cant have debugger/watch and this shit at same time
2016-09-18T08:22:33 < dongs> its not displaying shit realtime
2016-09-18T08:22:36 < dongs> just 'recorded data'
2016-09-18T08:23:54 < LeelooMinai> Well, when you "start recording" it can record up to million events I think.
2016-09-18T08:24:12 < dongs> donno
2016-09-18T08:24:17 < dongs> without realtime  view looks boring as fuck
2016-09-18T08:24:24 < dongs> i can do same shit with SWO and keil 'logic analyzer'
2016-09-18T08:24:26 < LeelooMinai> It is real time though
2016-09-18T08:24:34 < dongs> in where? all I can do is "load data"
2016-09-18T08:24:50 < LeelooMinai> Target/Start recording is real time
2016-09-18T08:25:01 < LeelooMinai> At least for me:)
2016-09-18T08:25:31 < dongs> < dongs> Failed to start recording.
2016-09-18T08:25:32 < dongs> < dongs> RTT Control Block not found.
2016-09-18T08:25:34 < dongs> the same shit.
2016-09-18T08:25:57 < LeelooMinai> I guess you must have missed some steps when configuring or something.
2016-09-18T08:27:27 < Thorn> how bad is his accent? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03u4jA9E_Yo
2016-09-18T08:29:42 < dongs> i dont hear any accent
2016-09-18T08:29:46 < dongs> i do hear a voice of a hardcore stoner
2016-09-18T08:30:37 < dongs> LeelooMinai: i did nothing except copying all files, shit.noos.c, _conf.h and adding those 2 lines in code
2016-09-18T08:30:42 < dongs> bbl
2016-09-18T08:34:22 < stvn> segger
2016-09-18T08:58:36 < PaulFertser> Thorn: sounds quite russian to me.
2016-09-18T09:07:07 < PaulFertser> Thorn: he probably lives in the usa since his English (fluency, vocabulary, grammar, accent) is way, way better than I would expect from a russian engineer.
2016-09-18T09:10:02 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/6RJVtQ8i0eY?t=5m57s
2016-09-18T09:11:23 < LeelooMinai> lol, "O, look at this - smoke" like he found a hidden treasure or something
2016-09-18T09:12:46 < LeelooMinai> Maybe it's me, but I would be disconnecting the power plug about 1ms later:p
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2016-09-18T09:13:33 < PaulFertser> Thorn: so is my guess correct?
2016-09-18T09:14:55 < LeelooMinai> "No, he is Brazilian-Islander whoe moved to Spain after living 2 decades in SriLanka"
2016-09-18T09:16:06 < Thorn> most likely. I don't think he ever said where he lives but he regularly buys broken equipment from ebay without having to pay a fortune for shipping
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2016-09-18T09:53:26 < Thorn> on recapping https://youtu.be/7V0LCL4mL-8?t=10m51s
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2016-09-18T10:37:27 < PeterM> you jsut linked a page of shit.
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2016-09-18T11:46:01 < LeelooMinai> Tried using LibreOffice Draw for the first time to make some state diagram. Thought it will be useless, but it works: http://i.imgur.com/M1jOv5s.png
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2016-09-18T12:16:16 < Thorn> >when you route a signal on a layer regerenced to a power plane, the return current flows through capacitors
2016-09-18T12:16:20 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/CDqref32tPU?t=11m27s
2016-09-18T12:16:37 < Thorn> rly?
2016-09-18T12:18:43 < Tectu> Hi folks
2016-09-18T12:36:57 < Steffanx> Bok.
2016-09-18T12:37:07 < stvn> yogi the bear
2016-09-18T12:37:30 < LeelooMinai> Little Red Riding Hood
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2016-09-18T12:44:28 < Steffanx> Bok means hi in croation ;)
2016-09-18T12:44:47 < Steffanx> Croatian*
2016-09-18T12:44:53 < LeelooMinai> It means "Side" in Polish:p
2016-09-18T12:45:32 < Steffanx> Arent you from the us?
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2016-09-18T12:45:41 < LeelooMinai> I am in Canada
2016-09-18T12:46:04 < Steffanx> Yet another Canadian.
2016-09-18T12:51:24 < Steffanx> Canadians are like the finnishers of europe. You only meet them on IRC.
2016-09-18T12:51:39 < Steffanx> In huge amounts.
2016-09-18T12:52:06 < BrainDamage> given their population density it's not particularry strange
2016-09-18T12:55:44 < Tectu> why are there no other swisslanders around in this channel?
2016-09-18T12:55:56 < stvn> Steffan ate them all
2016-09-18T12:56:40 < stvn> Thorn, yeah
2016-09-18T12:57:33 < stvn> capacitors are cool like that
2016-09-18T13:00:13 < BrainDamage> well, the high frequency part will flow trought the cap
2016-09-18T13:00:16 < LeelooMinai> Only at high frequencies though:)
2016-09-18T13:00:22 < BrainDamage> t
2016-09-18T13:00:37 < BrainDamage> the low frequency will flow trought the psu itself
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2016-09-18T13:15:09 < Tectu> any alkaline battery pros around?
2016-09-18T13:15:31 < Tectu> if you leave your standard every-day alkaline cells around they start to "leak" or something
2016-09-18T13:15:35 < Tectu> (the white stuff)
2016-09-18T13:15:37 < LeelooMinai> No, only cons left
2016-09-18T13:15:45 < Tectu> does that only happen when they are drained?
2016-09-18T13:16:21 < stvn> that's what i've heard...
2016-09-18T13:16:50 < Tectu> so "full" batteries will never leak?
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2016-09-18T13:50:09 < dongs> Tectu: never seen full ones leaking
2016-09-18T13:50:17 < dongs> they do have some expire date but its usually 5-10years ahead
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2016-09-18T13:50:38 < Tectu> ok, thanks dongs
2016-09-18T13:51:29 < Tectu> Damn, those small AA cells actually pack quite a punch - joules wise...
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2016-09-18T13:54:16 < dongs> you can power F401 from them down to complete discharge
2016-09-18T13:54:22 < dongs> from two of them
2016-09-18T13:54:27 < Steffanx> are small AAs smaller than big AAs?
2016-09-18T13:54:42 < dongs> there's AAA and AAAA
2016-09-18T13:54:57 < Steffanx> but that makes them AAA and not AA. 
2016-09-18T13:54:59 < Steffanx> Sorry :P
2016-09-18T13:55:16  * stvn passes Steffanx a beer
2016-09-18T13:55:24 < Steffanx> \o/
2016-09-18T13:55:29 < Tectu> Steffanx, you're not being helpful
2016-09-18T13:55:36 < Steffanx> I wasn't trying to.
2016-09-18T13:55:47 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/15/fanbois_ivaporate_smallest_iphone_queues_ever/
2016-09-18T13:55:51 < dongs> found crt
2016-09-18T13:56:01 < dongs> https://regmedia.co.uk/2016/09/15/iphone_7_faboi_steven.jpg
2016-09-18T13:56:05 < dongs> Steven suffering in the iPhone 7 queue, as he's packing a Nexus until his iPhone 7 lands
2016-09-18T13:56:49 < stvn> sup crt
2016-09-18T13:57:20 < Steffanx> https://youtu.be/e7EZ62OfHxw?t=49s was this putin too Laurenceb?
2016-09-18T13:58:25 < stvn> hope the pilot didn't die
2016-09-18T13:58:46 < Steffanx> joking i hope?
2016-09-18T13:59:27 < stvn> yes
2016-09-18T13:59:32 < Steffanx> ok.
2016-09-18T14:00:17 < stvn> iphone7 is over cause they forgot to put the headphone jack in dude
2016-09-18T14:01:17 < stvn> did you hear about the autists complaining about the 'noise issue'
2016-09-18T14:17:24 < dongs> anyone teardown the lightinig to headphone connector yet
2016-09-18T14:17:28 < dongs> to find out its just a passthrough
2016-09-18T14:17:33 < dongs> and not some SABRE ESS OMG LOL DONGS dac
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2016-09-18T14:21:31 < BrainDamage> it's probably a 10 cent chink audio codec
2016-09-18T14:23:03 < dongs> BrainDamage: apparently there's 3 speaker amps on the pcb
2016-09-18T14:23:11 < dongs> so it could be just sending analog stuff over directly
2016-09-18T14:23:14 < dongs> no dac in the adapter at all
2016-09-18T14:24:26 < BrainDamage> so it exists basically just to break compatibility rather than actually have a real single interface bus
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2016-09-18T14:45:01 < dongs> good thing apple didnt go for USB-C in new iphone
2016-09-18T14:45:13 < Emil> wat
2016-09-18T14:49:26 < Tectu> my sarcasm detector doesn't work on this one...
2016-09-18T14:49:39 < dongs> no sarcasm here
2016-09-18T14:49:58 < dongs> apple is fucking dead for not taking the cahnce to remove headphone jack AND switch to usb-c
2016-09-18T14:50:03 < dongs> now they're stuck with retarded lighting shit
2016-09-18T14:50:24 < dongs> for ever
2016-09-18T14:50:34 < Tectu> is USB-C considered to be "better than" lighting?
2016-09-18T14:54:07 < Steffanx> it's actually a standard?
2016-09-18T14:54:21 < dongs> can lighting deliver 100W ???
2016-09-18T14:54:54 < Steffanx> Charge a phone with that. Yay :)
2016-09-18T14:54:54 < Tectu> can USB-C ?! o.O
2016-09-18T14:55:19 < dongs> yes
2016-09-18T14:55:19 < Tectu> is that a typo for 10W?
2016-09-18T14:55:22 < dongs> no
2016-09-18T14:55:22 < Tectu> wut
2016-09-18T14:55:23 < dongs> its 100W
2016-09-18T14:55:26 < dongs> 20V@5A
2016-09-18T14:55:27 < Tectu> 100W over that shitty connector?
2016-09-18T14:55:29 < dongs> yes
2016-09-18T14:55:32 < Tectu> wow
2016-09-18T14:55:37 < Tectu> wait, 20V?
2016-09-18T14:55:40 < dongs> yes
2016-09-18T14:55:43 < dongs> in steps of liek 500mV
2016-09-18T14:55:46 < Tectu> is this for those new "arbitrary lanes"?
2016-09-18T14:55:50 < dongs> USB power delivery 
2016-09-18T14:56:03 < dongs> nope, just over vbus/gnd
2016-09-18T14:56:09 < dongs> theres like 4 vbus pins i think
2016-09-18T14:56:16 < Tectu> oh boy
2016-09-18T14:56:21 < Tectu> 100W...
2016-09-18T14:56:27 < Tectu> laptop battery drained in 1min
2016-09-18T14:56:37 < Steffanx> a laptop will never support that probably.
2016-09-18T14:57:07 < dongs> Tectu: its for CHARGING said laptop
2016-09-18T14:57:09 < BrainDamage> it's actually useful to /charge/ a laptop
2016-09-18T14:57:11 < dongs> and there are already adapters that do that.
2016-09-18T14:57:20 < Tectu> oh, I see
2016-09-18T14:57:24 < Tectu> yeah that makes more sense :p
2016-09-18T14:57:29 < dongs> because usb-c also has super clever stuff to make it a input or output port
2016-09-18T14:57:31 < dongs> without much effort
2016-09-18T14:57:42 < Steffanx> but we need laptops with magjacks not with usb-c.
2016-09-18T14:57:54 < Steffanx> oops not that
2016-09-18T14:57:57 < dongs> magjack is another proprietary apple faggotry
2016-09-18T14:57:58 < Steffanx> how is that apple connector called
2016-09-18T14:57:59 < Tectu> I still don't get the difference between USB-C and USB 3.1. zyp explained it once but meh... so much confusion
2016-09-18T14:58:14 < Tectu> that magjack is actually quite sane 
2016-09-18T14:58:18 < stvn> thundercuck
2016-09-18T14:58:25 < stvn> is on a lot of apple stuff
2016-09-18T14:59:08 < Steffanx> it's magsafe, not magjack. Magjack is the ethernet connector stuff :P
2016-09-18T14:59:18 < stvn> oh that shit
2016-09-18T14:59:31 < stvn> copy it and get sued
2016-09-18T14:59:31 < Steffanx> it's not shit. it's nice.
2016-09-18T15:00:17 < Tectu> I'm not much of an apple boy but I have to say that I would like to have magsafe on my thing
2016-09-18T15:00:29 < stvn> yea same
2016-09-18T15:00:43 < stvn> i'm sick of soldering new dc barrel jacks on friend's laptops
2016-09-18T15:00:43 < Steffanx> <3
2016-09-18T15:01:17 < Tectu> did you see those "new" Lenovo P series? P50 and/or P70
2016-09-18T15:01:25 < Tectu> xeon, 15", quattro...
2016-09-18T15:01:27 < BrainDamage> between dc barrel and magsafe ok, but between magsafe and usbc i'm not sure
2016-09-18T15:01:36 < stvn> paste link
2016-09-18T15:02:03 < Tectu> http://www3.lenovo.com/au/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-p-series/P50/p/22TP2WPWP50
2016-09-18T15:02:06 < dongs> is it 4k
2016-09-18T15:02:17 < BrainDamage> also, i don't understand how people break dc barrels, it still didn' happen to me
2016-09-18T15:02:30 < dongs> k has 4koption
2016-09-18T15:02:41 < Tectu> dongs, 4k on 15" sounds insane
2016-09-18T15:02:50 < Steffanx> You never walk away and accidentilly get stuck behind the cable BrainDamage?
2016-09-18T15:02:51 < dongs> Tectu: i have 12" 4K and its great
2016-09-18T15:02:52 < Tectu> dongs, I have a 14" 2560p and it's already "limit"
2016-09-18T15:03:00 < Tectu> dongs, surface?
2016-09-18T15:03:03 < dongs> no
2016-09-18T15:03:05 < dongs> surface isnt 4k
2016-09-18T15:03:08 < Tectu> dongs, so your task bar is like 3mm in height?
2016-09-18T15:03:15 < dongs> no
2016-09-18T15:03:24 < Tectu> what device has 4k on 12"?
2016-09-18T15:03:37 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: not with power cables, it happend once or twice with headphones
2016-09-18T15:03:55 < Tectu> see, that's why apple starts removing headphone jacks
2016-09-18T15:03:55 < stvn> Tectu, that is nice
2016-09-18T15:04:00 < Tectu> stvn, yes :D
2016-09-18T15:04:34 < stvn> i need to smash this computer
2016-09-18T15:04:38 < sync> charge over BLE
2016-09-18T15:04:57 < BrainDamage> this computer fan is smashing my nerves
2016-09-18T15:05:08 < BrainDamage> the sleeve bearing got chipped
2016-09-18T15:05:19 < stvn> delete it
2016-09-18T15:05:25 < BrainDamage> it sounds like a jackhammer
2016-09-18T15:05:34 < Tectu> computer as in tower-easy-to-replace it?
2016-09-18T15:05:42 < BrainDamage> computer as in laptop
2016-09-18T15:05:49 < BrainDamage> waiting for replacement to be delivered
2016-09-18T15:06:01 < BrainDamage> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mv09aclype5qiaj/Registrazione%20audio%202016-09-17%2016-36-18.wav?dl=0
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2016-09-18T15:06:04 < Tectu> may I ask what brand?
2016-09-18T15:06:34 < BrainDamage> you'll likely won't know it, http://santech.eu/
2016-09-18T15:06:46 < BrainDamage> they make custom laptops
2016-09-18T15:06:50 < dongs> Tectu: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/toshiba-satellite-radius-2-in-1-12-5-4k-ultra-hd-touch-screen-laptop-intel-core-i7-8gb-memory-256gb-solid-state-drive-carbon-gray/4517300.p?id=1219755702106
2016-09-18T15:07:08 < Tectu> BrainDamage, uh, is this ultra high quality underground stuff or just aldi reseller?
2016-09-18T15:07:22 < BrainDamage> the first
2016-09-18T15:07:35 < dongs> lol "custom laptops"
2016-09-18T15:07:39 < Tectu> dongs, how on earth is that thing that cheap?
2016-09-18T15:07:39 < dongs> more like rebranding Clevo trash
2016-09-18T15:07:44 < dongs> Tectu: no fucking clue
2016-09-18T15:07:47 < dongs> USA power bro
2016-09-18T15:07:49 < BrainDamage> the case is clevo
2016-09-18T15:07:53 < BrainDamage> the hw not
2016-09-18T15:07:55 < stvn> nice toshiba
2016-09-18T15:08:03 < Tectu> thanks for sharing BrainDamage 
2016-09-18T15:08:11 < Tectu> I haven't used anything but Lenovo Thinkpads for the past X years
2016-09-18T15:08:22 < BrainDamage> i even have the gpu socketed
2016-09-18T15:08:27 < Tectu> o.O
2016-09-18T15:08:34 < stvn> :666
2016-09-18T15:08:49 < Tectu> can't remember when I had a notebook with a dedicated GPU the last time
2016-09-18T15:09:07 < Tectu> always seems like a waste of room, weight & energy to mee
2016-09-18T15:09:29 < Tectu> those intel things are pretty decent these days
2016-09-18T15:09:32 < BrainDamage> i use optimus trash, sometimes i need to test cuda/opencl
2016-09-18T15:09:34 < sync> > only US/IT keyboard
2016-09-18T15:10:29 < Tectu> why would you need anything else, Mr. Germany?
2016-09-18T15:10:34 < Tectu> I only use US keyboards anymore.
2016-09-18T15:10:39 < Tectu> fuck all thaot swiss and german faggotery
2016-09-18T15:10:52 < Tectu> US international ftw.
2016-09-18T15:10:58 < sync> because I want to type öäüß without hassle
2016-09-18T15:11:02 < Tectu> äåé®äå®äw
2016-09-18T15:11:03 < Tectu> there you go
2016-09-18T15:11:05 < Tectu> no hassle at all
2016-09-18T15:11:21 < Tectu> ß
2016-09-18T15:11:23 < Tectu> damn, even that I have
2016-09-18T15:11:41 < Tectu> all it takes is ALT + another regular key
2016-09-18T15:11:53 < sync> yes, that means hassle
2016-09-18T15:12:04 < Steffanx> Isnt that B overrated nowadays anyway?
2016-09-18T15:12:11 < Tectu> how is  Alt + Y more hassle than Shift + Y  for regular capital letters?
2016-09-18T15:12:15 < Steffanx> Just replace by 'ss'
2016-09-18T15:12:21 < Tectu> and I guess ß is not on a dedicated one-key key for you either.
2016-09-18T15:12:28 < sync> it is
2016-09-18T15:13:12 < sync> Steffanx: it depends
2016-09-18T15:13:23 < sync> dass/daß has changed, indeed
2016-09-18T15:14:19 < Tectu> dongs, so can you compare 12" 4k to regular 14" 2560 ?
2016-09-18T15:14:39 < dongs> donno, i have no problem wiht it
2016-09-18T15:14:45 < dongs> i mean pixels are s mall
2016-09-18T15:14:54 < Tectu> do you have any benefit?
2016-09-18T15:15:53 < sync> Tectu: I'm just used to DE keyboards, tried to change over to US but failed hard
2016-09-18T15:16:17 < Tectu> sync, that's interesting, yet a valid reason though.
2016-09-18T15:16:32 < stvn> definitely a valid reason
2016-09-18T15:16:32 < Tectu> sync, didn't take me long to get used to it.
2016-09-18T15:16:46 < Tectu> my reason was because the keyboard I wanted to get was only available in US layouts
2016-09-18T15:17:18 < Tectu> the day after I received it I got a newsletter from the company stating that the keyboard is now available in other layouts too (including german and swiss stuff)
2016-09-18T15:17:18 < stvn> does it have clicky clicky keys
2016-09-18T15:17:23 < Tectu> yes, Cherry MX clear
2016-09-18T15:17:33 < sync> haha rekt
2016-09-18T15:17:54 < Tectu> was too lazy to return/replace it. so I just started using US layouts on all my devices :p
2016-09-18T15:18:35 < Tectu> fucks me every time I have to show something on a computer of a friend at University though. Especially as swiss german and swiss french are two different layouts too.
2016-09-18T15:19:06 < BrainDamage> is the swiss french azerty?
2016-09-18T15:19:13 < sync> yeah, idk how the swiss can even into computers
2016-09-18T15:19:21 < stvn> lol
2016-09-18T15:19:43 < sync> I bet there is also a retroromanian layout
2016-09-18T15:20:44 < Tectu> sync, there actually is
2016-09-18T15:20:46 < Tectu> also swiss italian
2016-09-18T15:21:01 < sync> oh god
2016-09-18T15:21:06 < Tectu> but they are the same "physical" layout as swiss german (or swiss french, not sure anymore)
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2016-09-18T15:21:17 < BrainDamage> you need swiss swiss, for the real racial purists 
2016-09-18T15:21:22 < Tectu> lol
2016-09-18T15:21:52 < Tectu> just use US Intl. everywhere
2016-09-18T15:22:07 < Tectu> gives me all the french & nazi characters with just pressing ALT
2016-09-18T15:22:08 < BrainDamage> your family tree must not have descended below the tree line for at least 4 generations to use i
2016-09-18T15:22:29 < Tectu> haha :D
2016-09-18T15:22:52 < Tectu> BrainDamage, the swiss french is qwertz too
2016-09-18T15:23:00 < Tectu> BrainDamage, the actual french layout is azerty though
2016-09-18T15:23:05 < Tectu> makes sense, right?
2016-09-18T15:23:11 < BrainDamage> seriously tough, some of your connational are racist fucks
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2016-09-18T15:23:33 < Tectu> connational? what's that? not even dict.leo.org knows that word.
2016-09-18T15:23:47 < BrainDamage> people from the same contry
2016-09-18T15:23:51 < Tectu> ah
2016-09-18T15:23:58 < Tectu> well, what are you talking about? PNOS?
2016-09-18T15:24:55 < BrainDamage> no, random assholes that pretend their bar bathroom is broken because i'm italian while i saw others using it minutes before
2016-09-18T15:25:14 < Tectu> PNOS is funny... it's a "new" political party. they are as racist as you can be. so far right it's almost ridiculous. They even have mandatory self-defense/fight trainings
2016-09-18T15:25:18 < Tectu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kozEns9SmqY
2016-09-18T15:25:21 < BrainDamage> the political party is normal, we have idiots here too
2016-09-18T15:25:45 < Tectu> BrainDamage, wtf, that's just sad.
2016-09-18T15:26:57 < BrainDamage> also the condescending tone some people have when i tell i'm italian
2016-09-18T15:27:20 < Tectu> yeah, italians have quite a bad reputation around here
2016-09-18T15:27:49 < Tectu> I'm sorry for that
2016-09-18T15:28:10 < BrainDamage> not your fault
2016-09-18T15:29:01 < Tectu> well, it's the fault of our society. as I am part of it it is kinda also my fault
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2016-09-18T15:31:29 < Tectu> where have you been, BrainDamage ?
2016-09-18T15:32:27 < BrainDamage> luzern, zurich, lugano, chiasso and few other random places
2016-09-18T15:33:00 < Tectu> better come to Brig at some point
2016-09-18T15:33:15 < Steffanx> You racist.
2016-09-18T15:34:06 < BrainDamage> i'm the son of a border patrol officer, so while i was underage i actually had a special id card that gave a bit few rights of travel movement
2016-09-18T15:34:29 < Tectu> oh, that's nice
2016-09-18T15:35:03 < Tectu> now you have a Mario mustache and lost that privilege?
2016-09-18T15:36:17 < BrainDamage> i don't have a mustache, but i lost that priviledge, at the same time tought countries rolled in schengen treaty and made it essentially redundant
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2016-09-18T15:38:44 < stvn> mario
2016-09-18T15:39:10 < Tectu> you definitely should grow a mustache and wear a red hat. otherwise you don't fit the stereotype
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2016-09-18T15:39:23 < BrainDamage> as for brig, i might, but it's 2h drive in each direction
2016-09-18T15:39:36 < Steffanx> Stereotypes and racism. Screw you tectu.
2016-09-18T15:39:53 < BrainDamage> so it'd have to be a weekend, and you'd better have the hookers and coke ready
2016-09-18T15:40:13 < Tectu> BrainDamage, 5 minutes from the train station. nice place to have a beer: http://img.myswitzerland.com/mys/n66047/images/buehne/stockalperschloss_bst-ag-2.jpg
2016-09-18T15:40:20 < Tectu> yeah that shouldn't be a problem
2016-09-18T15:40:26 < Steffanx> He has stroopwafels braindamage
2016-09-18T15:40:35 < Steffanx> You dont need more
2016-09-18T15:40:36 < stvn> lol
2016-09-18T15:41:17 < Tectu> pls just don't bring crt with you
2016-09-18T15:41:51 < Steffanx> Crt is a nice guy irl
2016-09-18T15:42:07 < Tectu> I am pretty sure that everybody here is a nice guy irl
2016-09-18T15:42:13 < Tectu> (no sarcasm)
2016-09-18T15:42:23 < Steffanx> I dont.
2016-09-18T15:42:33 < Steffanx> Im not so sure*
2016-09-18T15:42:56 < Tectu> BrainDamage, what kind of hooker do you prefer?
2016-09-18T15:45:41 < BrainDamage> there's types? :p
2016-09-18T15:46:13 < Tectu> of course
2016-09-18T15:46:39 < Tectu> damn, what's up with all those Samsung memes these days? what did I miss?
2016-09-18T15:47:19 < Laurenceb__> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Personal_pronouns_otherkin_mermaid.png
2016-09-18T15:47:35 < Laurenceb__> enough with the stroopwafels
2016-09-18T15:47:41 < Laurenceb__> inb4 type 2 diabetes
2016-09-18T15:48:32 < Steffanx> You dont get diabetes from just the talk about it laurenceb__
2016-09-18T15:50:03 < jpa-> hmh, why do regulator datasheets never specify whether it is ok to connect external voltage to output pin
2016-09-18T15:50:34 < Laurenceb__> good point
2016-09-18T15:50:38 < Laurenceb__> it usually is
2016-09-18T15:51:44 < Laurenceb__> https://science.slashdot.org/story/16/09/18/0548208/vanity-fair-blames-the-failure-of-theranos-on-silicon-valley
2016-09-18T15:52:07 < Laurenceb__> A chemistry is performed so that a chemical reaction occurs and generates a signal from the chemical interaction with the sample
2016-09-18T15:55:24 < Thorn> ok wtf http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-467200Mhz-Precision-Low-Jitter-Rubidium-Frequency-Clock-for-CD-Audio-Equipment-/272135533198
2016-09-18T15:55:43 < Thorn> >Rubidium
2016-09-18T15:55:44 < Thorn> >for CD/Audio Equipment
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2016-09-18T15:56:40 < Tectu> dedicated for cdpro2 turntable
2016-09-18T15:57:27 < Thorn> what does that turntable play? reference signal for GPS satellites?
2016-09-18T15:57:51 < Tectu> lol
2016-09-18T15:58:06 < stvn> lol
2016-09-18T15:59:10 < Laurenceb__> heh I had a couple of those
2016-09-18T15:59:27 < Laurenceb__> but swapped for GPS and silabs clock generator ic
2016-09-18T16:00:23 < Laurenceb__> Leo from #highaltitude used same ideas to build this
2016-09-18T16:00:25 < Laurenceb__> http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=120&products_id=272
2016-09-18T16:02:59 < Laurenceb__> originally it was for long baseline interferometry
2016-09-18T16:06:19 < Tectu> OMG My life is complete. A truly gluten free Chinese restaurant opened up about a 1/4 mile away. It's fantastic. They have a separate kittchen and prep area. This is the best news!  It was sooo good. I've been waiting for this for forever. 
2016-09-18T16:06:31 < Tectu> (that's a quote)
2016-09-18T16:11:36 < stvn> hmmm
2016-09-18T16:15:43 < stvn> old crt
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2016-09-18T16:25:12 < Tectu> http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue73/cec_tlo3.htm
2016-09-18T16:29:53 < stvn> wut is that
2016-09-18T16:30:34 < Tectu> CD player
2016-09-18T16:30:38 < Tectu> audiophile CD Player
2016-09-18T16:30:40 < Tectu> 16 kg
2016-09-18T16:31:19 < Tectu> ultra vibration resitent so the parsed bits have less noise to them
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2016-09-18T16:33:18 < stvn> yeah gotta get those clean bits
2016-09-18T16:36:42 < stvn> do you like them
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2016-09-18T17:11:12 < Laurenceb__> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/05/22/2E270B2200000578-3305990-image-a-31_1446761752890.jpg
2016-09-18T17:12:26 < Thorn> where is the flux capacitor
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2016-09-18T17:16:15 < Laurenceb__> Shawyer denialism should be a hate crime
2016-09-18T17:17:32 < stvn> cool
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2016-09-18T17:48:02 < Rob235> time to learn how to use SPI for the first time... exciting...
2016-09-18T17:49:30 < Thorn> for greatest enjoyment make sure to set cpol/cpha differently for master and slave
2016-09-18T17:51:36 < Laurenceb__> thats racist
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2016-09-18T17:55:29 < Thorn> are you a friend of Alex Gaynor or something https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692
2016-09-18T17:55:45 < Laurenceb__> primary/replica dude
2016-09-18T17:56:22 < Thorn> (also responsible for https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286)
2016-09-18T17:57:20 < Rob235> I'm running out of pins on this disco board...
2016-09-18T17:58:28 < Laurenceb__> holy shit
2016-09-18T17:58:28 < Tectu> Rob235, depending on what you need them for hooking up some I2C or SPI port expander should be fairly straight forward
2016-09-18T17:58:29 < Laurenceb__> https://github.com/Enegnei/JacobAppelbaumLeavesTor/blob/master/JacobAppelbaumLeavesTor.md#removal-from-core-tor
2016-09-18T17:58:38 < Laurenceb__> the most epic tl;dr ever written
2016-09-18T17:58:51 < Rob235> yea, I think I'll be ok though, I'll come to that if I actually do run out
2016-09-18T17:59:03 < Laurenceb__> gigabytes of pointless dramaz
2016-09-18T17:59:09 < BrainDamage> did you see the gnu vs libreboot?
2016-09-18T17:59:32 < Steffanx> do i want to?
2016-09-18T18:00:21 < Laurenceb__> lulno
2016-09-18T18:00:36 < Rob235> so time to give up on this autotune and just get my datalogger working so I can try to manually tune with my test results
2016-09-18T18:00:44 < Laurenceb__> I can't take that level of pointless drama
2016-09-18T18:00:44 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: only if you enjoy petty sjw wars
2016-09-18T18:00:49 < BrainDamage> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00036.html
2016-09-18T18:01:13 < BrainDamage> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00052.html
2016-09-18T18:01:24 < Thorn> Rob235 you can actually put multiple slaves on one spi bus. like a chain gang you know
2016-09-18T18:01:25 < Steffanx> oh no.
2016-09-18T18:01:26 < Tectu> why is it that every time I click that link the first thing I read is "
2016-09-18T18:01:26 < Tectu> As a trans person myself, I find this disgusting."
2016-09-18T18:01:42 < Steffanx> read 2 sentences and closed it.
2016-09-18T18:01:52 < Rob235> this sd card reader/writer is the only SPI periph that I have
2016-09-18T18:02:08 < Rob235> I didn't realize spi was a bus though
2016-09-18T18:02:12 < Rob235> so thanks for that info
2016-09-18T18:02:50 < Tectu> that's what the chip-select is for
2016-09-18T18:03:00 < Tectu> so the slave knows when he has to listen
2016-09-18T18:03:05 < BrainDamage> spi is probably the most sane bus you'll find around
2016-09-18T18:03:08 < Rob235> got some reading to do
2016-09-18T18:03:16 < Rob235> im sure it wont take long
2016-09-18T18:03:17 < Laurenceb__> spi is much less rage than i2c
2016-09-18T18:03:28 < Tectu> everything is much less rage than i2c
2016-09-18T18:03:33 < Laurenceb__> but most i2c issues are because nobody follows the same standard
2016-09-18T18:03:34 < Rob235> yea but my i2c is already done so it would have been nice to save time :)
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2016-09-18T18:03:57 < Laurenceb__> or they do stupid stuff like no filtering, so pins can respond to Ghz reflections on the lines
2016-09-18T18:04:00 < Rob235> I guess its time I learn how to use an SPI periph now anyway
2016-09-18T18:04:04 < Tectu> you probably should make those LEDs become a CAN component
2016-09-18T18:04:14 < Rob235> why
2016-09-18T18:04:41 < Tectu> mainly for trolling and wasting lots of energy/flight-time
2016-09-18T18:05:00 < Rob235> sounds reasonable
2016-09-18T18:05:50 < Thorn> note that you need a separate slave select line for every spi slave unlike i2c
2016-09-18T18:06:15 < Rob235> I see
2016-09-18T18:06:36 < Thorn> (but you could use a 3-to-8 decoder or whatever to save mcu pins)
2016-09-18T18:06:40 < Rob235> also need a pin for the card detected line
2016-09-18T18:06:46 < BrainDamage> i2c adress perifierials by inline code
2016-09-18T18:06:53 < BrainDamage> spi by external chip select
2016-09-18T18:07:28 < Tectu> what do you use that SD-Card for? I almost always use 4-wire SDIO for SD-Cards
2016-09-18T18:07:32 < Laurenceb__> lul those emails
2016-09-18T18:07:34 < Laurenceb__> I would
2016-09-18T18:07:34 < Laurenceb__> hate for the intolerance of one or a few people to be construed as a reason
2016-09-18T18:07:34 < Laurenceb__> for the entire GNU project not to exist.
2016-09-18T18:07:56 < Rob235> plan on using it for data logging, I was told SPI should be fine for that
2016-09-18T18:08:07 < Laurenceb__> we should nuke the codebase from space
2016-09-18T18:08:42 < Rob235> I'm not logging that much info
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2016-09-18T18:09:18 < Rob235> at the moment I just want to log my autotune test results so that I can go through them manually to find a good one
2016-09-18T18:10:23 < Thorn> is your sd carf fireproof
2016-09-18T18:10:53 < emeb_mac> I use SPI mode SD on F3 parts. SDIO mode on F4/F7 where the periph exists
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2016-09-18T18:11:11 < emeb_mac> SPI mode works fine. It's fast enough for the stuff I do
2016-09-18T18:11:22 < Rob235> sounds good
2016-09-18T18:11:27 < emeb_mac> (loading FPGA bitstreams)
2016-09-18T18:11:35 < Rob235> oh hmm
2016-09-18T18:11:39 < Rob235> well I guess I'll find out
2016-09-18T18:11:49 < Laurenceb__> I use spi mode on my dataloggers
2016-09-18T18:12:22 < Laurenceb__> for some reason it is rather slow, cant get past ~100kbyte/s on F103
2016-09-18T18:12:23 < Rob235> ok I feel better now
2016-09-18T18:12:33 < Laurenceb__> but thats more than good enough
2016-09-18T18:12:37 < Rob235> I don't think I need that fast
2016-09-18T18:12:43 < Rob235> nearly that fast
2016-09-18T18:12:52 < Laurenceb__> the speed is weird as I can read at about 1meg using usb
2016-09-18T18:13:03 < Laurenceb__> so it looks like FatFS weirdness
2016-09-18T18:13:17 < emeb_mac> read faster than write?
2016-09-18T18:13:25 < emeb_mac> not surprising for flash...
2016-09-18T18:13:46 < Tectu> yeah, factor 10 sounds "normal"
2016-09-18T18:14:13 < Laurenceb__> well more like FatFS is occasionally doing complex stuff
2016-09-18T18:14:42 < Laurenceb__> which results in delays of hundreds of milliseconds causing fifos to wrap around at high data rates
2016-09-18T18:14:48 < emeb_mac> or the SD cards wear leveling?
2016-09-18T18:14:54 < Laurenceb__> usb does raw sector access
2016-09-18T18:15:09 < Laurenceb__> nope, my cards are <20ms max access delay for read/write
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2016-09-18T18:15:19 < emeb_mac> interesting
2016-09-18T18:15:28 < Laurenceb__> it's fatFS bunching a lot of complex stuff together
2016-09-18T18:15:32 < emeb_mac> fatfs is a mystery
2016-09-18T18:15:35 < Rob235> oh shit, I didn't check what rating sd card I got for the datalogger
2016-09-18T18:15:41 < Laurenceb__> yeah its v complex
2016-09-18T18:15:55 < Rob235> its just a regular sandisk, should it be fast enough?
2016-09-18T18:15:57 < Laurenceb__> usb access is a nice ~1meg speed and <20ms max delay
2016-09-18T18:16:04 < Laurenceb__> yeah I use sandisk
2016-09-18T18:16:07 < Rob235> ok
2016-09-18T18:16:23 < emeb_mac> as long as it's *real* sandisk
2016-09-18T18:16:24 < Laurenceb__> no need to look at speed rating if its a recentish sandisk
2016-09-18T18:16:28 < emeb_mac> lotsa fakes out there
2016-09-18T18:16:38 < Laurenceb__> you aren't going to be using DDR modes and shit
2016-09-18T18:16:39 < Rob235> I haven't even gotten it yet, somewhere in the mail
2016-09-18T18:16:57 < Laurenceb__> yeah I'm very confused by sandisk, seen what I thought were obvious fakes and they were real
2016-09-18T18:17:11 < Laurenceb__> the lower capacity cards seem less vulnerable to faking
2016-09-18T18:17:27 < emeb_mac> big ones "too good to be true"?
2016-09-18T18:17:39 < Rob235> I got a nice card for my runcam2 though, a 32gb 10 "rating"
2016-09-18T18:17:43 < Laurenceb__> nah, 64GB with weird silkscreen logo
2016-09-18T18:17:57 < Laurenceb__> but it was apparently real 
2016-09-18T18:18:06 < Laurenceb__> went as far as emailing sandisk
2016-09-18T18:18:15 < emeb_mac> bought a bunch of 2G & 8G no-name cards from ebay a few weeks ago. All seem OK.
2016-09-18T18:18:28 < Laurenceb__> and sanding down logo
2016-09-18T18:18:30 < emeb_mac> needed small capacity cards for some embedded projects.
2016-09-18T18:19:00 < Rob235> yea, I got 2gb for the datalogger as I don't think this sd card slot can read SDHC
2016-09-18T18:19:01 < Laurenceb__> yeah same, only issues I've had was with corroding contacts
2016-09-18T18:19:20 < Laurenceb__> and swissbit cards going completely dead, but they are silly prices so didnt use again
2016-09-18T18:20:06 < emeb_mac> got mine from some rando in canada. came taped into folded paper. lol
2016-09-18T18:20:31 < Thorn> at least not stapled
2016-09-18T18:20:35 < emeb_mac> haha
2016-09-18T18:22:00 < Rob235> hmm, using 30 pins so far for the drone, wheres it all going :P
2016-09-18T18:24:08 < Rob235> is spi dma simpler than i2c dma?
2016-09-18T18:24:36 < Rob235> im guessing so since it just uses the cs line
2016-09-18T18:25:08 < Tectu> lol @ swissbit cards
2016-09-18T18:25:55 < emeb_mac> yeah - spi dma is pretty simple.
2016-09-18T18:26:15 < emeb_mac> but dma doesn't manage the cs line. you do that outside the dma.
2016-09-18T18:26:38 < emeb_mac> dma just blurts the data from ram to the spi device after you've done the cs 
2016-09-18T18:26:38 < Tectu> uhm... maybe a stupid question but why would spi dma be any simpler/harder than i2c dma?
2016-09-18T18:26:38 < Rob235> right
2016-09-18T18:27:08 < Rob235> with i2c dma you have to stop like 2 bytes short and handle the last two yourself because its handled differently or something like that
2016-09-18T18:27:19 < emeb_mac> Tectu: because i2c on STM32 is an abortion
2016-09-18T18:27:21 < Tectu> uh? is that a feature or a bug?
2016-09-18T18:27:38 < Thorn> both
2016-09-18T18:29:09 < Rob235> its the way the i2c handshaking protocol works
2016-09-18T18:29:27 < Rob235> the whole ack/nack stuff
2016-09-18T18:29:54 < Rob235> it changes up at the end of the transfer
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2016-09-18T18:35:07 < Rob235> now where do I mount this thing
2016-09-18T18:35:27 < Rob235> I'm glad I haven't messed with designing a circuit board yet, things are still changing
2016-09-18T18:46:18 < Laurenceb__> stm32 i2c was going to be super epic win
2016-09-18T18:46:34 < Laurenceb__> but then the list of features grew beyond their VHDL skillz
2016-09-18T18:46:42 < Laurenceb__> so its a bit of a disaster zone
2016-09-18T18:49:32 < Laurenceb__> lulzorations
2016-09-18T18:49:42 < Laurenceb__> https://camo.githubusercontent.com/e42b1b7e3d2c75e3c23405e217acc85c78643f43/68747470733a2f2f617263686976652e6c692f6b447a58632f623261393236626235383566616365373437373663366363643533343365383331636234646334332e706e67
2016-09-18T18:50:04 < Laurenceb__> new desktop background
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2016-09-18T18:58:30 < Rob235> how do you crimp these little shits
2016-09-18T19:00:50 < Laurenceb__> what little shits?
2016-09-18T19:01:39 < Rob235> female headers, I have singles and triples (like servo wires)
2016-09-18T19:01:53 < Rob235> I've never done this before though, can you do it without a crimping tool?
2016-09-18T19:03:15 < sync> not properly
2016-09-18T19:04:15 < Rob235> whats the cheapest kind of crimper you can get that will work properly
2016-09-18T19:04:43 < BrainDamage> 15$ ratchet crimper with hex dies
2016-09-18T19:05:21 < BrainDamage> then you can just buy more dies if you need to crimp other things
2016-09-18T19:07:03 < Laurenceb__> its possible to do it with solder + long nosed pliers
2016-09-18T19:07:09 < Laurenceb__> if you are very careful
2016-09-18T19:07:43 < sync> I prefer the oem ones
2016-09-18T19:07:55 < sync> although I have a set of those engineer ones from dongsland and they work ok
2016-09-18T19:08:02 < Laurenceb__> but if you screw up you will either crack the solder during "crimping" or flood with solder
2016-09-18T19:08:23 < Laurenceb__> with practice its possible to get reliable results, but obviously its not the "pro" way to do it
2016-09-18T19:09:37 < Laurenceb__> but I've also had a few manufacturer crimped connectors fail on servos and stuff 
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2016-09-18T19:10:18 < Laurenceb__> if the crimp looks good, it probably is :P at least its fairly easy to inspect 
2016-09-18T19:11:31 < Rob235> https://www.amazon.com/Titan-Tools-11477-Ratcheting-Terminal/dp/B0069TRKJ0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1474214717&sr=8-4&keywords=ratchet%2Bcrimper&th=1
2016-09-18T19:11:34 < Rob235> is that the right thing?
2016-09-18T19:12:18 < Rob235> oops
2016-09-18T19:13:25 < Rob235> ohhhh, I'm stupid
2016-09-18T19:13:30 < Rob235> as you all know
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2016-09-18T19:15:30 < Tectu> is anybody in the mood to fix some schematic editor soon-to-be-open-sorez stuff that is just a big pain in the butt?
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2016-09-18T20:04:30 < Rob235> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SN-28B-Pin-Crimping-Tool-2-0mm-2-54mm-3-96mm-Crimper-Dupont-JST-/371680214933?hash=item5689ddff95:g:5ZoAAOSwDNdVzAUw
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2016-09-18T20:05:00 < Rob235> yes?
2016-09-18T20:05:43 < Tectu> 15$
2016-09-18T20:06:04 < Tectu> the last one I used was from Weidenmüller (some sync-land company) and it was like 450 bucks
2016-09-18T20:06:13 < Rob235> its actually $11 USD
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2016-09-18T20:07:42 < BrainDamage> it'll work fine, you just have a bit less pressure reliability than an expensive model
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2016-09-18T20:07:57 < BrainDamage> but you only notice if you crimp things like coax
2016-09-18T20:08:29 < BrainDamage> for his use case and many others a 15$ crimper will work as good
2016-09-18T20:09:27 < Rob235> so that one gets the thumbs up?
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2016-09-18T20:10:30 < Rob235> whats the difference between that one and say: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SN-48B-AWG26-16-Non-Insulated-Pin-Crimper-Electrical-Tool-0-14-1-5mm2-for-Dupont-/322023044348?hash=item4afa11b4fc:g:guUAAOSwKtVW1Dot
2016-09-18T20:19:29 < Tectu> hi
2016-09-18T20:20:09 < BrainDamage> make sure to double check the die type and size for the connector, they are not interchangable
2016-09-18T20:20:22 < BrainDamage> if it won't fit, it won't crimp
2016-09-18T20:23:46 < Rob235> I'm going to get the one from hobby king for $13, its gotta be the right size
2016-09-18T20:24:07 < Rob235> I could probably use some other spare parts anyway
2016-09-18T20:25:31 < Rob235> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=13446
2016-09-18T20:26:55 < Tectu> R2COM, that shot at 1:50 is pretty amazing
2016-09-18T20:26:58 < Tectu> somebody got lucky
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2016-09-18T20:30:07 < Tectu> well, marketing has always been stronger than engineering
2016-09-18T20:30:22 < Tectu> "always"... not that I would be able to judge that. Let's go with "in recent years"
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2016-09-18T20:42:26 < Tectu> is "deletable" a good name for a member variable (boolean) that indicates whether the user is allowed to delete the item?
2016-09-18T20:42:33 < Tectu> or would you rather go with "canDelete"?
2016-09-18T20:42:50 < upgrdman_> isRemovable
2016-09-18T20:44:46 < Tectu> also good
2016-09-18T20:49:03 < upgrdman_> https://i.redd.it/tl7mhv21h9mx.jpg
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2016-09-18T20:57:01 < kakimir> how has been innovation today?
2016-09-18T20:57:36 < kakimir> I wonder if jaws I bought fit that thing
2016-09-18T20:57:43 < kakimir> Rob235
2016-09-18T20:58:01 < Rob235> ?
2016-09-18T20:58:28 < kakimir> you can buy seperate jaws to those things
2016-09-18T20:58:41 < Rob235> I'm good
2016-09-18T20:58:42 < BrainDamage> the dies
2016-09-18T20:58:46 < kakimir> or bits or whatever called
2016-09-18T20:58:51 < kakimir> dies
2016-09-18T21:00:08 < Rob235> yea I looked into it, I'm fine with the cheap non interchangeable die for now.  gotta stop spending so much on this project
2016-09-18T21:04:59 < kakimir> secret in spending in projects is that you need to spend above certain limits after which all limits in spending are to be removed and there is no budget to limit your project
2016-09-18T21:05:17 < upgrdman_> so happy now. got my data structure perfected. reached the holy grail of lockless concurrency. feelsgoodman
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2016-09-18T22:29:48 < upgrdman> :)
2016-09-18T22:29:57 < upgrdman> catch all the floating babies
2016-09-18T22:30:28 < upgrdman> the american way
2016-09-18T22:30:58 < upgrdman> youre in ma right?
2016-09-18T22:43:19 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, you around
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2016-09-18T22:56:22 < karlp> heh, dongs and zyp inadvertently working on solving my ringbuffer problems for me ;)
2016-09-18T23:00:28 < Tectu> Hi karlp 
2016-09-18T23:03:01 < upgrdman> what rb problems?
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2016-09-18T23:34:35 < karlp> LeelooMinai: if you've got no time to maintain that arm trace tool you built, why not give it away, let other people stop rebuilding the same things over and over
2016-09-18T23:37:01 < kakimir> some on desktop electric calculator would be nice
2016-09-18T23:37:13 < kakimir> always there doing them ohms laws and other stuff
2016-09-18T23:45:41 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubrg0J03UdI
2016-09-18T23:50:49 < kakimir> is this real Laurenceb__ ?
2016-09-18T23:51:02 < kakimir> how does triggering work?
2016-09-18T23:51:05 < Laurenceb__> apparently
2016-09-18T23:51:09 < Laurenceb__> like that
2016-09-18T23:51:25 < Rob235> sweet, I found great places for the battery sensor, the sd card, and the ultrasonic sensor, having trouble with the pressure sensor though
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2016-09-18T23:52:29 < Laurenceb__> https://i.redditmedia.com/nskGUXNxx5gSvt8VR-YvL1WvDzhwxyEHxASPghTv6UM.jpg?w=600&s=b9d294b7b42f698e4ef377a18dfe1986
2016-09-18T23:56:14 < kakimir> http://i1.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/bdm5casey.jpg?resize=552%2C656
2016-09-18T23:57:12 < Fleck> why kakimir?
2016-09-18T23:58:00 < jadew> what did she do?
2016-09-18T23:59:19 < jadew> http://time.com/4393745/casey-anthony-5-years-acquittal/
--- Day changed Mon Sep 19 2016
2016-09-19T00:01:28 < jadew> I think people should have life and death rights over their kids
2016-09-19T00:02:40 < jadew> the right to end your own DNA legacy should be encouraged
2016-09-19T00:02:50 < jadew> if you're stupid enough to do it, then maybe it's not such a bad thing
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2016-09-19T00:06:38 < kakimir> I must ask if jadew is a parent?
2016-09-19T00:06:42 < jadew> I am
2016-09-19T00:06:54 < Fleck> jadew: https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5441659/il_fullxfull.139636109.jpg
2016-09-19T00:07:26 < jadew> Fleck, don't tell that to me, I love my son
2016-09-19T00:07:35 < Fleck> ok :)
2016-09-19T00:08:33 < jadew> but I still believe what I said earlier, society's responsibility should start only when the offender is outside of the DNA chain
2016-09-19T00:08:44 < jadew> bad DNA has to be allowed to fail by itself
2016-09-19T00:09:04 < Fleck> so son can kill you? :D
2016-09-19T00:09:11 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-19T00:09:34 < jadew> because it means one of two things: 1) You suck as a parent. or 2) Your DNA sucks.
2016-09-19T00:09:40 < jadew> either way, you deserve it
2016-09-19T00:10:09 < kakimir> determinism is just a view
2016-09-19T00:10:46 < jadew> well, if your offsprings turn on you, then something is wrong
2016-09-19T00:10:57 < jadew> so it's better if you just stop making any new ones
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2016-09-19T00:12:58 < jadew> I keept hearing stories about kids beating their parents
2016-09-19T00:13:14 < jadew> or kicking them out after the parents gave them their house
2016-09-19T00:13:33 < jadew> and the people telling the story were always like "how can you do that to your own parents?"
2016-09-19T00:13:54 < jadew> I always thought to myself, well there's only one explanation: they were awful parents.
2016-09-19T00:14:32 < kakimir> #family32
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2016-09-19T00:16:28 < jadew> the thing about being a shit parent is that you're not only letting down your kid, you let down society as a whole
2016-09-19T00:16:48 < jadew> from that perspective alone, society shouldn't try to help you out anyway
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2016-09-19T00:19:09 < kakimir> you have overthinked it
2016-09-19T00:26:25 < Laurenceb__> When the jews were persecuting the Pepenites and driving them out of their birthland that the Clan of Kek created memetics by breathing life into a deity after their name to carry out their intent.
2016-09-19T00:26:32 < Laurenceb__> you learn something every day
2016-09-19T00:26:56  * Laurenceb__ emails to Hillary campaign
2016-09-19T00:26:57 < jadew> top kek
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2016-09-19T01:00:01 < Laurenceb__> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/1f2eed34f8429c620b8ea8dcae5fb7c0816c2cd18e35ac172c70c8bf6c2b2209.jpg
2016-09-19T01:05:31 < Laurenceb__> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-17/robot-arrested-by-russian-police-at-political-rally-in-moscow/7854764
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2016-09-19T01:08:27 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5LjGFkpApw cool!
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2016-09-19T02:56:50 < dongs> karlp: cool
2016-09-19T02:56:57 < stvn> stm32
2016-09-19T03:02:35 < dongs> dongs
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2016-09-19T03:12:01 < LeelooMinai> ding dong
2016-09-19T03:14:02 < LeelooMinai> ⍾
2016-09-19T03:16:28 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: It's a scripting language over JVM - kind of like a Java/JVM scripting equivalent of Python, say.  It's nice, but kind of specific to the environment, so depends on your scenario.
2016-09-19T03:17:05 < LeelooMinai> Much more niche nowadays than Python of course.
2016-09-19T03:17:41 < LeelooMinai> Python kind of balooned, unfrotunatelly imo
2016-09-19T03:17:58 < dongs> R2COM: no
2016-09-19T03:18:12 < dongs> c
2016-09-19T03:18:16 < LeelooMinai> For what?
2016-09-19T03:18:21 < dongs> for anything
2016-09-19T03:18:36 < dongs> groovy is used by those extreme brogramming retards
2016-09-19T03:18:44 < dongs> who write tests for every line of code
2016-09-19T03:18:53 < LeelooMinai> I can only tell you that from my perspective it's better to use proper language for everything instead of a scripting language.
2016-09-19T03:18:55 < dongs> and mile-long function/variable names
2016-09-19T03:20:31 < LeelooMinai> If you use a scripting language for something, it may be faster in a short term, but in the long run it will only get worse and worse until it's unmmentainable at best.
2016-09-19T03:20:49 < LeelooMinai> unmaintanable*
2016-09-19T03:20:52 < LeelooMinai> difficult word:)
2016-09-19T03:21:08 < LeelooMinai> unmaintainable
2016-09-19T03:21:14 < LeelooMinai> Here, finally, a win
2016-09-19T03:21:49  * LeelooMinai taps 101 aluminum extrusions and types - not a good idea
2016-09-19T03:22:09 < dongs> did o6 /nick LeelooMinai or something
2016-09-19T03:22:43 < LeelooMinai> dongy, dongy, do not exert yourself with those mental gymnastics - it's bad for you:)
2016-09-19T03:23:22 < aandrew> yet another scripting language
2016-09-19T03:23:22 < dongs> you might just have to join him on my ignore list
2016-09-19T03:23:31 < aandrew> if I'm going to learn a scripting language for embedded it's going to be lua
2016-09-19T03:23:37 < dongs> rite
2016-09-19T03:23:40 < dongs> finally a voice of reason
2016-09-19T03:23:43 < aandrew> but even that is a long fucking shot
2016-09-19T03:24:08 < aandrew> haha
2016-09-19T03:24:22 < aandrew> dongy dongy... all I hear is a cartoon springy noise boiiiinnng   boiiiing  ...
2016-09-19T03:24:37 < LeelooMinai> dongs: What is your problem even? 
2016-09-19T03:25:19 < dongs> https://github.com/philipl/pifs haha
2016-09-19T03:27:01 < aandrew> lol
2016-09-19T03:27:14 < aandrew> that sounds a lot like that magic compressor that was making the BBS rounds when I was a teenager
2016-09-19T03:27:43 < aandrew> it deleted the original file, and created a tiny file in its place: most of it being a text header and the rest being the FAT entries for the file it deleted
2016-09-19T03:27:57 < dongs> HEH
2016-09-19T03:28:00 < aandrew> so as long as you didn't write (much) to the disk or didn't copy the compressed file to another disk, it worked magically
2016-09-19T03:28:19 < dongs> speaking of fat entries
2016-09-19T03:28:23 < stvn> lol
2016-09-19T03:28:28 < dongs> undelete on NTFS no SSDs no longer works
2016-09-19T03:28:41 < dongs> the files you get back are already zerod thanks to trim/etc
2016-09-19T03:29:07 < dongs> you do get back the blocks but as soon as tehy get deallocated by ntfs ssd blanks them
2016-09-19T03:29:08 < stvn> 16 pass erase on a pedofile operating system
2016-09-19T03:30:10 < dongs> hm I need something better than keil editor for major refactoring of this trash code
2016-09-19T03:31:06 < Laurenceb__>  pedofile operating system
2016-09-19T03:31:07 < Laurenceb__> lulz
2016-09-19T03:31:19 < Laurenceb__> I sense a business opportunity
2016-09-19T03:31:24 < Laurenceb__> pedOS
2016-09-19T03:31:26 < aandrew> huh?
2016-09-19T03:31:33 < aandrew> TRIM is like the opposite of that
2016-09-19T03:31:58 < dongs> well, whatever does it - what im saying is deallocated blocks get zerod
2016-09-19T03:32:11 < aandrew> hm, odd
2016-09-19T03:32:14 < dongs> try it
2016-09-19T03:32:26 < dongs> make a file, delete it, use any of the undelete shit that allows you to preview data
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2016-09-19T03:34:04 < aandrew> dongs: nah you're right
2016-09-19T03:34:39 < aandrew> TRIM basically tells the SSD that those blocks can be pre-erased when idle to increase performance, and also allows it to do more efficient reallocations in the background
2016-09-19T03:35:46 < aandrew> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsfIe8xWcAEoZua.jpg:large
2016-09-19T03:35:49 < aandrew> worth the eyestrain
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2016-09-19T03:39:14 < dongs> is it worth maintaining a drawlist for LCD updates
2016-09-19T03:39:24 < dongs> just to make sure stuff that never chagnes isnt redrawn
2016-09-19T03:41:20 < aandrew> dongs: I guess it totally depends on application
2016-09-19T03:41:35 < aandrew> do you have the memory for such a cache
2016-09-19T03:41:46 < dongs> well, it wouldnt be an actual image cache
2016-09-19T03:41:53 < dongs> more liek a list of commands to draw something
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2016-09-19T03:42:50 < aandrew> right
2016-09-19T03:42:51 < dongs> hehe analtech post from a while ago
2016-09-19T03:42:52 < dongs> An unrecoverable TRIMed drive is a concern that I share. The real drawback being a more congnizant experience regarding the permanance of SSD deletion, due to malfunction, accident, or otherwise. 
2016-09-19T03:42:57 < dongs> 2009
2016-09-19T03:42:58 < aandrew> and again depending on the display tech it might make it worthwhile
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2016-09-19T03:55:57 < stvn> https://www.reddit.com/r/PCSound/comments/3pt7aa/dear_logitech_did_you_forget_half_of_the_drivers/
2016-09-19T03:55:59 < stvn> lol
2016-09-19T03:57:39 < dongs> i have no problem with some cheap logicrap 2.1 thing I bought for the office
2016-09-19T03:57:45 < dongs> it even makes bass
2016-09-19T03:58:15 < stvn> yeah same
2016-09-19T03:59:23 < stvn> i remember seeing these speakers at a computer shop and immediately suspecting one of the drivers was a passive radiator
2016-09-19T04:06:45 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: What exactly do you want to script?
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2016-09-19T05:11:43 < stvn> crack cocaine
2016-09-19T05:24:53 < ReadErr> do the murder man dance
2016-09-19T05:26:06 < stvn> sup read
2016-09-19T05:27:09 < ReadErr> nm nm finishing some shit up then sleeping
2016-09-19T05:27:35 < ReadErr> whats up with u, stallman
2016-09-19T05:27:42 < ReadErr> work4scat
2016-09-19T05:28:12 < stvn> lol
2016-09-19T05:28:20 < stvn> best lrh 
2016-09-19T05:28:56 < ReadErr> that shit was ace
2016-09-19T05:28:59 < ReadErr> very accurate 
2016-09-19T05:29:42 < ReadErr> MS needs to fuck right off with this automatic reboot shit
2016-09-19T05:29:55 < ReadErr> maybe people leave stuff open and expect it to be there when they get back
2016-09-19T05:35:30 < ReadErr> also dongs, LeelooMinai is o6 kryptonite 
2016-09-19T05:35:38 < ReadErr> the one person on IRC he fears
2016-09-19T05:36:52 < LeelooMinai> He is busy now - playing Dongy Kong Junior
2016-09-19T05:39:38 < ReadErr> what did you do to the guy
2016-09-19T05:40:40 < LeelooMinai> I would not harm a fly
2016-09-19T05:41:08 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, it's weird how the channels are quiet on weekends - it's almost like people had some secret life outside of IRC or something...
2016-09-19T05:42:12 < dongs> its monday and im working
2016-09-19T05:42:22 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, sll those sleep/stop/low power/shutdown/suspend/damn modes on L4 are quite complicated
2016-09-19T05:42:51 < LeelooMinai> Especially when one has to take OS into the accout too:/
2016-09-19T05:44:25 < LeelooMinai> Considering it needs a timer to wake up, etc.
2016-09-19T05:45:03 < stvn> i'm not going to work today
2016-09-19T05:45:08 < stvn> i just want to feel the steel
2016-09-19T05:46:50 < dongs> needs a timer to wakae up wat
2016-09-19T05:47:07 < LeelooMinai> The OS itself - scheduler, etc.
2016-09-19T05:47:10 < dongs> if you have a periodic timer then you can only do some less lowpower thing and just WFI() or WFE() or wahtever
2016-09-19T05:47:28 < dongs> then youll wake up each systick
2016-09-19T05:47:30 < dongs> mkaing it useless
2016-09-19T05:47:35 < dongs> just standby and power down everything>?
2016-09-19T05:47:36 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's not periodic - it's tickless mode, but still.
2016-09-19T05:48:49 < LeelooMinai> Basically anything but low power mode can be only enabled if no timer of any sort is active.
2016-09-19T05:49:29 < LeelooMinai> I guess LPTIM would work, bust it's not supported by Chibios I think and it's only 16bit
2016-09-19T05:49:30 < dongs> right
2016-09-19T05:49:35 < dongs> lol chibios
2016-09-19T05:50:13 < LeelooMinai> Let me guess - Chibios is a "jew" OS or something like that?
2016-09-19T05:50:49 < LeelooMinai> It's that or FreeRTOS, and Chibios seemed much more elegant to me.
2016-09-19T05:51:17 < dongs> cmsis does have rtx.
2016-09-19T05:51:34 < LeelooMinai> But it's only an API, no?
2016-09-19T05:52:00 < dongs> keil has a bsd-licensed implementation
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2016-09-19T05:52:14 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/pr/article/1253.htm
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2016-09-19T05:53:09 < LeelooMinai> Keil is a commercial company - they probably have some evil plan to suck people into something.
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2016-09-19T05:53:54 < LeelooMinai> You use something "free" from those and half a year later you find that there's a trap:p
2016-09-19T05:54:22 < dongs> http://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/304/can-i-take-bsd-licensed-code-and-distribute-it-under-gpl
2016-09-19T05:55:39 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but probably if you want something neat in terms of tools, like some debugger features, you need to have them from Keil, becaise no free tools will support this particular implementation.
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2016-09-19T05:57:10 < dongs> sure, keil debugger has some rtx thread/stack/whatever view extensions. so what? some fagot could write some garbage in python or wahtever for GDB to do same
2016-09-19T05:57:34 < LeelooMinai> Right, but then you have access to it for free.
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2016-09-19T05:58:27 < LeelooMinai> My point being that if the open source people will write some tool, it will be for some free and pupular OS, not proprietary one.
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2016-09-19T05:58:48 < stvn> RMS an isatiable scat fiend
2016-09-19T05:58:50 < dongs> how is freely downloadable BSD-licensed code "priorietary"?
2016-09-19T05:59:32 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Well, I guess since they released it, it's technically not, but still, not very popular probably
2016-09-19T06:00:04 < LeelooMinai> I mostly hear FreeRTOS mentioned, sometimes Chibios 
2016-09-19T06:00:19 < dongs> there's a dozen rtos for cortex-m
2016-09-19T06:00:32 < dongs> most are even more or less actively maintained
2016-09-19T06:00:51 < LeelooMinai> But only few very popular
2016-09-19T06:01:23 < LeelooMinai> ST does not have anything - I think they just point to FreeRTOS
2016-09-19T06:01:46 < LeelooMinai> But somehow the idea of FreeRTOS + ST libraries scared me away
2016-09-19T06:03:26 < Thorn> freertos + libopencm3 is possible
2016-09-19T06:03:31 < LeelooMinai> BTW, Chibios is not bad - it's kind of "no nonsense" approach with ephasis on perforamance and small code size, but with very nice threading/synchronization features.
2016-09-19T06:04:21 < LeelooMinai> It has good ST HAL layer, but not everything new is there, like those LPTIMers for example.
2016-09-19T06:05:03 < LeelooMinai> The only thing that worries me a bit is that it is one-dude work, some Italian one, so when he dies...
2016-09-19T06:05:29 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess source code is there, but they would butcher it:)
2016-09-19T06:05:47 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: you can run stdperiph code in chibios fine too
2016-09-19T06:05:53 < ReadErr> if something doesnt exist 
2016-09-19T06:06:06 < ReadErr> like the eeprom flash stuff worked 100%
2016-09-19T06:06:24 < dongs> .. why the fuck would you even use "eeprom flash stuff"
2016-09-19T06:06:29 < dongs> worst code I've seen in ST libs
2016-09-19T06:06:31 < LeelooMinai> ReadErr: Hmm, that sounds like a risky proposition to me, but if you say so...
2016-09-19T06:06:47 < LeelooMinai> The Chibio HAL stuff at least I know it's lean and mean
2016-09-19T06:06:54 < ReadErr> ya i love their HAL 
2016-09-19T06:07:08 < ReadErr> it works, not saying its best practice 
2016-09-19T06:09:41 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I wonder if ARM could not make some RTOS for, well, ARMS
2016-09-19T06:10:29 < LeelooMinai> lol, I goggled and ARM has ARMKeil RTX page...
2016-09-19T06:10:39 < LeelooMinai> Wait, is Keil ARM-related or something?
2016-09-19T06:11:41 < Thorn> arm bought keil iirc
2016-09-19T06:12:06 < LeelooMinai> Just reading - ARM bought them in 2005
2016-09-19T06:12:15  * LeelooMinai scratches the head
2016-09-19T06:28:03 < dongs> why are hackkitten-types always so fucking clingy on irc?
2016-09-19T06:28:24 < dongs> like they have to prove something to everyone
2016-09-19T06:28:39 < LeelooMinai> What are hackitten-types?
2016-09-19T06:30:20 < dongs> take a wild fucking guess
2016-09-19T06:30:58 < LeelooMinai> Asian people that make food from cats and dogs at restaurants?
2016-09-19T06:31:27 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-19T06:32:09 < stvn> where is hackkitten today?
2016-09-19T06:32:42 < dongs> no
2016-09-19T06:32:47 < dongs> M2F transfaggots on irc.
2016-09-19T06:32:55 < stvn> haha
2016-09-19T06:33:03 < stvn> lay down the law brother
2016-09-19T06:33:04 < dongs> I've experienced chatting with 3 of  them and their MO is *identical*
2016-09-19T06:33:24 < stvn> was that before they whipped out their cocks?
2016-09-19T06:33:32 < LeelooMinai> dongs: I like your use of PC language - you are just too nice.
2016-09-19T06:33:40 < dongs> i don't chat about whipping cocks on irc, so no
2016-09-19T06:33:50 < stvn> sweet me neither
2016-09-19T06:35:34 < stvn> so I have a day off and I don't know what to do
2016-09-19T06:35:50 < dongs> well, you could always whip your cock outy
2016-09-19T06:35:56 < LeelooMinai> But you do - waste it on IRC:)
2016-09-19T06:37:38 < stvn> nah i'm going to visit pioneer
2016-09-19T06:40:23 < stvn> fucken vodafone sending me invoices, already gave the dogs permission to suck my bank account dry
2016-09-19T06:54:51 < dongs> wroks here
2016-09-19T06:55:25 < dongs> no idea i am running latest version with new retarded flat  skinning
2016-09-19T06:57:20 < dongs> thats some pretty hardcore bandwidth tehre R2PRO
2016-09-19T06:57:23 < dongs> does spaceX really need taht
2016-09-19T06:57:59 < dongs> what FPGA tools do tehy use to compile< symplify or wahtever?
2016-09-19T06:59:29 < dongs> good stuff
2016-09-19T07:00:28 < dongs> yes
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2016-09-19T07:05:45 < dongs> k trying another approach on this stack DMA stuff
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2016-09-19T07:08:44 < dongs> yep
2016-09-19T07:08:53 < dongs> if I have a static buffer that I prepare stuff in and DMA that one, it works
2016-09-19T07:08:55 < dongs> hmm
2016-09-19T07:08:56 < dongs> zyp: ^
2016-09-19T07:09:02 < dongs> DMA out of stack does NOT work.
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2016-09-19T07:09:42 < upgrdman> lol
2016-09-19T07:09:53 < upgrdman> dma from stack... lol
2016-09-19T07:10:16 < dongs> upgrdman: hey, you never know
2016-09-19T07:10:24 < upgrdman> :)
2016-09-19T07:10:29 < dongs> but its curious that it just doesnt work
2016-09-19T07:10:36 < dongs> as opposed to like, dmaing garbage data
2016-09-19T07:10:39 < dongs> DMATC never happens
2016-09-19T07:10:45 < dongs> if I pass it stack-based data pointer.
2016-09-19T07:10:45 < upgrdman> ya, i'd expect garbage
2016-09-19T07:11:02 < dongs> that is very intresting :)
2016-09-19T07:12:10 < dongs> too bad I cant google this
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2016-09-19T07:12:22 < dongs> beacuse fucking google thinks when I search for 'stack" i want all tehse dumb stackoverflow results
2016-09-19T07:12:49 < upgrdman> dongs, re: synplify, i just use the lattice diamond ide and synplify is literally a checkbox.
2016-09-19T07:13:22 < upgrdman> google still has operators iirc. try "stack of cocks -stackexchange"
2016-09-19T07:16:08 < dongs> upgrdman: hmm actually, whats even funnier is that my dma transfer function actually WAITS for DMATC, im using it for speed not for concurrency
2016-09-19T07:16:19 < dongs> so the stack isnt even destroyed at that point
2016-09-19T07:16:23 < dongs> it JUST hates DMAing from stack.
2016-09-19T07:16:41 < dongs> its F401 so no CCM or other weird shit.
2016-09-19T07:17:04 < upgrdman> ccm?
2016-09-19T07:17:16 < dongs> that fast sram
2016-09-19T07:17:20 < dongs> that you cant dma to/from
2016-09-19T07:17:29 < upgrdman> is normal sram like n wait states?
2016-09-19T07:17:40 < dongs> no but its even fastrer
2016-09-19T07:17:45 < dongs> since its closer to core
2016-09-19T07:17:50 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, what about this? http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/229125/is-the-stm32-dma-destination-address-restricted
2016-09-19T07:18:04 < LeelooMinai> There is some matrix of restrictions and maybe another channel would work?
2016-09-19T07:19:40 < upgrdman> hmm guess stack qualifies as ICODE ?
2016-09-19T07:20:40 < dongs> that was the first hit
2016-09-19T07:20:44 < dongs> because it had cockexchange url in it
2016-09-19T07:20:45 < upgrdman> wuts arm "s" bus? s == ?
2016-09-19T07:21:07 < LeelooMinai> But ICODE is instruction code, no? To me stack should be DCODE,
2016-09-19T07:22:04 < LeelooMinai> System? I don't know
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2016-09-19T07:24:03 < dongs> intersting
2016-09-19T07:24:48 < dongs> well
2016-09-19T07:24:51 < dongs> based on that diagram
2016-09-19T07:25:01 < dongs> it shows that CCM ram is only connected to Sbus
2016-09-19T07:25:09 < dongs> which woudl explain lack of DMA
2016-09-19T07:25:11 < dongs> but
2016-09-19T07:25:15 < dongs> regular sram goes to I,D,S
2016-09-19T07:25:20 < dongs> which is the fcase of F401
2016-09-19T07:25:38 < dongs> so if there's some restriction, its a specific check
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2016-09-19T08:06:50 < LeelooMinai> Then you need to define some API first. Then, depending on what language the core software is, some scripting methods may be better than others I guess.
2016-09-19T08:07:41 < LeelooMinai> But with API you may be able to gove a lot of options to users.
2016-09-19T08:08:18 < LeelooMinai> script -> API -> your core software
2016-09-19T08:09:03 < LeelooMinai> Unless you want to embed the scripting enginge in your software somehow.
2016-09-19T08:09:41 < LeelooMinai> No if you have an API
2016-09-19T08:10:20 < LeelooMinai> Like in Windows, DLLs - you create those and any language that can use them can use them.
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2016-09-19T08:11:22 < LeelooMinai> There are other ways too, it all depends on your usage case. You could also allow for control through TCP socket - then even more ways would be possible.
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2016-09-19T08:12:38 < LeelooMinai> What is the main app written in?
2016-09-19T08:13:44 < LeelooMinai> What about this thing? http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtscript-index.html
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2016-09-19T08:14:18 < LeelooMinai> Seems it's already there in Qt
2016-09-19T08:15:29 < dongs> hmm
2016-09-19T08:15:35 < dongs> STM DMA appnote only talks about stack once
2016-09-19T08:15:38 < dongs> recommending to put it in CCM
2016-09-19T08:15:43 < dongs> for increased  concurrency.
2016-09-19T08:16:15 < LeelooMinai> That's ECMA, it's as popular as Pythin
2016-09-19T08:16:41 < LeelooMinai> aka JavaScript
2016-09-19T08:17:51 < LeelooMinai> Right, if you prefer it
2016-09-19T08:17:56 < dongs> nobody knows python
2016-09-19T08:18:16 < dongs> most of the programs are just write-only
2016-09-19T08:18:23 < dongs> and by "programs" i mean one-time hacks
2016-09-19T08:18:26 < dongs> (in python)
2016-09-19T08:18:30 < LeelooMinai> Tcl and Perl are dinosauric
2016-09-19T08:20:16 < LeelooMinai> Tcl is weird - it's mostly text-gluing system with only few rules. Perl was the first sensible scripting language, but it's still archaic and difficult to read/maintain. Both are pretty obsolete imo, though Tcl is still used (like in FPGA tools, for some reason:)
2016-09-19T08:21:10 < LeelooMinai> Pythin is lame, but I guess you can ride on its popularity in your app
2016-09-19T08:21:22 < dongs> popularity doesnt matter when its work stuff
2016-09-19T08:21:28 < dongs> no, javascript is fucking awful
2016-09-19T08:22:24 < LeelooMinai> all scripting languages suck, that's the reality:)
2016-09-19T08:23:01 < jpa-> nanopb's generator is one of the messiest python scripts i've ever made, and people seem to edit it just fine :P
2016-09-19T08:23:11 < dongs> I think its time to post on st forums
2016-09-19T08:23:14 < dongs> and see what clive1 thinks
2016-09-19T08:23:19 < LeelooMinai> Groovy is good, but if people will hear that they need Groovy to control your app they may rage-quit:p
2016-09-19T08:23:22 < dongs> too bad i don't have an account there
2016-09-19T08:23:46 < jpa-> dongs: which cpu are you working on?
2016-09-19T08:24:00 < dongs> jpa, F401
2016-09-19T08:24:01 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Seems to me Python wpu;d be "playing safe"
2016-09-19T08:24:13 < jpa-> dongs: before F7, DMA from CCM doesn't work, and where stack is depends only on your linker script
2016-09-19T08:24:15 < dongs> jpa-: the tl;dr is this
2016-09-19T08:24:32 < dongs> I've hit an interesting DMA issue on Cortex M4 and I'm curious if its by design and if so, what IS the design. I cannot do memory to periperal DMA when the dmasrc buffer is on the stack (ex. dynamically allocated stack var like int foo[size]; ) , DMA never completes (even if I wait for completion in teh same function, which means the buffer technically never gets popped/removed from stack.
2016-09-19T08:24:40 < dongs> jpa-: its not CCM
2016-09-19T08:24:46 < dongs> 401 is the cheap F4, no ccm, just plain sram
2016-09-19T08:24:51 < dongs> no segmenting into fast/slow ram
2016-09-19T08:25:25 < jpa-> what address do you get for the stack variable (when you check in debugger)?
2016-09-19T08:25:53 < dongs> like the on-stack created one?
2016-09-19T08:25:54 < dongs> lets see
2016-09-19T08:26:32 < jpa-> thing is, the CPU doesn't even know where the stack is - all it knows is the current stack pointer, but it doesn't know how large the stack is - so there is no way to even implement such a specific restriction
2016-09-19T08:27:01 < jpa-> so it has to be somehow about the address being unaligned or something like that
2016-09-19T08:27:11 < dongs> ah, unaligned hm
2016-09-19T08:27:51 < dongs> ...
2016-09-19T08:27:55 < LeelooMinai> lol
2016-09-19T08:28:03 < dongs> jpa, it says its at '0'
2016-09-19T08:28:16 < jpa-> doesn't sound good :)
2016-09-19T08:28:27 < jpa-> maybe you should try with gcc
2016-09-19T08:28:32 < dongs> its an autovar tho
2016-09-19T08:28:47 < dongs> hmmmm
2016-09-19T08:29:57 < dongs> lets try its pointer
2016-09-19T08:30:51 < dongs> ya both points to zero
2016-09-19T08:30:55 < dongs> what the hell
2016-09-19T08:31:39 < jpa-> pastebin some codes
2016-09-19T08:31:50 < dongs> lol its literally just
2016-09-19T08:31:55 < dongs> int foo[size];
2016-09-19T08:32:01 < dongs> dmatransfer(foo, size);
2016-09-19T08:32:10 < dongs> and dmatransfer just waits for DMATC before returning.
2016-09-19T08:33:06 < jpa-> size is 0? :P
2016-09-19T08:33:18 < jpa-> otherwise seems very strange that foo would end up as 0 :P
2016-09-19T08:33:21 < dongs> no, size is like 80*40*2
2016-09-19T08:34:01 < dongs> incidentally, thats bigger than current stack
2016-09-19T08:34:20 < dongs> but even when it wasn't, it still didnt work
2016-09-19T08:34:26 < dongs> but if autoallocation on stack fails
2016-09-19T08:34:34 < dongs> why the fuck does it allow writing to it..
2016-09-19T08:34:49 < dongs> because between alloc and transfer its filled with data by foo[index] = junk;
2016-09-19T08:35:17 < dongs> hmmmmmm
2016-09-19T08:35:47 < dongs> does auto-alloc stuff end up on HEAP or STACK?
2016-09-19T08:37:22 < jpa-> should go to stack
2016-09-19T08:37:41 < jpa-> maybe disassemble it?
2016-09-19T08:37:43 < emeb_mac> https://twitter.com/er0tikka/status/671221273549148160
2016-09-19T08:38:46 < dongs> yeah looking
2016-09-19T08:38:50 < dongs> i haev a theory testing it now
2016-09-19T08:39:32 < jpa-> :)
2016-09-19T08:41:27 < dongs> thats it
2016-09-19T08:41:32 < dongs> it did end up in heap
2016-09-19T08:41:35 < dongs> and when allocation of it failed
2016-09-19T08:41:40 < dongs> the variable was @ null
2016-09-19T08:41:50 < dongs> however, writing to it still worked, no busfault
2016-09-19T08:41:51 < dongs> weird
2016-09-19T08:42:22 < jpa-> hmm yeah, i think writing to it should fault.. reading does not because flash is mapped there.. which is pretty annoying
2016-09-19T08:43:06 < jpa-> i usually have my malloc() abort things if alloc fails, because 100% of time i'm too lazy to do anything smart about it
2016-09-19T08:44:17 < dongs> yeah
2016-09-19T08:48:53 < dongs> what are those dumb vars called nayway, the ones that real C doesnt even allow to be created anyway
2016-09-19T08:48:58 < dongs> since its C99 or whatever extension
2016-09-19T08:49:20 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_variable
2016-09-19T08:49:22 < dongs> this right?
2016-09-19T08:49:30 < dongs> hm no
2016-09-19T08:49:40 < dongs> its that, but its about array allocation
2016-09-19T08:50:10 < jpa-> variable length array
2016-09-19T08:50:30 < dongs> oh fuck
2016-09-19T08:50:33 < dongs> it might be a gcc only extension
2016-09-19T08:51:07 < jpa-> nio
2016-09-19T08:51:08 < jpa-> no
2016-09-19T08:51:11 < jpa-> standard C99
2016-09-19T08:51:14 < dongs> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Variable-Length.html
2016-09-19T08:51:16 < dongs> not according to this
2016-09-19T08:51:22 < dongs> o neer mind
2016-09-19T08:51:24 < dongs> first sentence
2016-09-19T08:51:29 < jpa-> yeah :P
2016-09-19T08:51:30 < dongs> just it was under "extensions" topic
2016-09-19T08:51:57 < dongs> it doesnt mention wehre itr gets llocated tho
2016-09-19T08:52:03 < dongs> ok fuckin time to just look at disassemble
2016-09-19T08:52:03 < jpa-> for gcc it should be the same as alloca() basically, so from stack
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2016-09-19T08:52:39 < dongs> 0x08007E4A F001FCBB  BL.W          malloc (0x080097C4)
2016-09-19T08:52:40 < dongs> bingo
2016-09-19T08:53:02 < jpa-> which compiler is this?
2016-09-19T08:53:06 < dongs> armcc of course
2016-09-19T08:53:09 < jpa-> luls
2016-09-19T08:53:32 < jpa-> does it have alloca()? atleast then you'd get your memory from stack like real people
2016-09-19T08:54:25 < dongs> please show me where it says variable length arrays should be coming from stack
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2016-09-19T08:54:46 < LeelooMinai> lol
2016-09-19T08:55:28 < dongs> One problem that may be hidden by a language's support for VLAs is that of the underlying memory allocation: in environments where there is a clear distinction between a heap and a stack, it may not be clear which, if any, of those will store the VLA.
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2016-09-19T08:55:56 < jpa-> seems you are getting the "if any" case :)
2016-09-19T08:56:47 < jpa-> but for embedded, having them come from stack would be pretty important for e.g. interrupt handlers
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2016-09-19T08:57:21 < dongs> lets see what arm themselves say about it
2016-09-19T08:57:25 < jpa-> 1 cycle constant time vs. 10-1000 cycles for malloc
2016-09-19T08:57:50 < dongs> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0491h/BCFGJJHF.html no luck here
2016-09-19T08:58:20 < dongs> Note
2016-09-19T08:58:20 < dongs> Memory for variable length arrays is allocated at runtime, on the heap.
2016-09-19T08:58:23 < dongs> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0472j/chr1359124223721.html
2016-09-19T09:03:24 < dongs> hmm
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2016-09-19T09:13:10 < dongs> hmm
2016-09-19T09:13:18 < dongs> if I use alloca() it ends up in hardfault on function exit :)
2016-09-19T09:17:08 < jpa-> yeah, if you alloca() more than your stack size
2016-09-19T09:17:14 < dongs> naw
2016-09-19T09:17:20 < dongs> i made sure my stack is hueg
2016-09-19T09:17:33 < dongs> fuckit, im just gonna go back to the way that worked for,e static array with enough space for this shit
2016-09-19T09:17:42 < dongs> im only using like 2k of sram and i have 96
2016-09-19T09:20:36 < jpa-> that's the better choice most of the time anyway, as variable length at runtime is just waiting for it to go over the limit
2016-09-19T09:20:45 < dongs> yeah
2016-09-19T09:21:00 < dongs> and i can easier add a check if size > wahtever preallocated size
2016-09-19T09:21:06 < dongs> apparently when I did VLA, i couldn';t do shit like
2016-09-19T09:21:15 < dongs> uint16_t fagot[size]; if (fagot == NULL)
2016-09-19T09:21:23 < dongs> it would fucking say "comparing with null is always true' or someshit
2016-09-19T09:21:41 < dongs> maybe &fagot? or something but whatever, fuckit
2016-09-19T09:22:17 < dongs> not evne my code, i've bene refactoring it all day and removing idiotic shit like this
2016-09-19T09:22:39 < dongs> like that gem of bitshifting i posted yesterday
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2016-09-19T09:26:40 < dongs> what hte fuck
2016-09-19T09:26:45 < dongs> spawn just brought an AR-18
2016-09-19T09:26:48 < dongs> R2COM: beep
2016-09-19T09:26:56 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-18 what hte fuck is this?
2016-09-19T09:27:20 < dongs> is this airsoft or am i being trolled
2016-09-19T09:27:59 < dongs> what does that mean
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2016-09-19T09:28:52 < dongs> yeah i have no idea what to referene that to
2016-09-19T09:28:55 < dongs> reference
2016-09-19T09:29:12 < dongs> is that fast? slow? or waht
2016-09-19T09:29:15 < dongs> why the fuck is this even in japan
2016-09-19T09:29:17 < dongs> if its legit
2016-09-19T09:33:30 < LeelooMinai> The gas is used for reloading - so it's fast, but I don't think it affects the velocity in any way.
2016-09-19T09:34:01 < LeelooMinai> And the gas is free, because it's created by firing of course.
2016-09-19T09:34:33 < dongs> o shit  apparently this was in Terminator
2016-09-19T09:35:08 < dongs> http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/AR-18
2016-09-19T09:35:30 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, on the other hand there seem to be systems that increase muzzle velocity, like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas-operated_reloading#/media/File:VickersMuzzleBoosterAnim.GIF
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2016-09-19T09:39:23 < LeelooMinai> Right, or when he danced on a skating rink
2016-09-19T09:39:33 < LeelooMinai> O, wait, wrong movie
2016-09-19T09:40:41 < dongs> k thankfuck this thing is actually an airsoft
2016-09-19T09:40:46 < dongs> i wouldnt want any illegal gunz in my house
2016-09-19T09:40:54 < dongs> but looks like it is pretty rare thing
2016-09-19T09:41:02 < dongs> made by JAC, INC or something
2016-09-19T09:41:19 < dongs> http://www.collectorairsoft.com/IMG/jac_ar18_lrg2.jpg
2016-09-19T09:41:54 < LeelooMinai> Looks like it was made in the same factory where they can tuna fish or something
2016-09-19T09:42:33 < dongs> R2COM: hwo the fuck woudl I know
2016-09-19T09:42:36 < dongs> i dont do guns
2016-09-19T09:42:42 < dongs> also its missing magazine
2016-09-19T09:43:31 < dongs> ah, made in jp
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2016-09-19T09:46:34 < dongs> its liek 3kg
2016-09-19T09:50:57 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=327CPa1Sz-Y
2016-09-19T09:50:57 < dongs> japs
2016-09-19T09:53:35 < upgrdman> R2COM, re: from behind... i dont remember our conversation. what's that re: about?
2016-09-19T09:53:56 < dongs> lolwut
2016-09-19T09:54:01 < dongs> what started THAT one
2016-09-19T09:55:32 < dongs> lunix user
2016-09-19T09:55:40 < PeterM> dongs in .jp dont oyu have the right to bare arms? i thought you could get pistols and shit
2016-09-19T09:55:45 < dongs> no
2016-09-19T09:56:09 < PeterM> are you sure?
2016-09-19T09:56:10 < dongs> if you apply for and get a gun license (takes about a year+ with all the paperwork/training)
2016-09-19T09:56:11 < ReadError> air guns
2016-09-19T09:56:14 < ReadError> or some shit right?
2016-09-19T09:56:16 < dongs> police can come to your house anyitme to inspect your gun case
2016-09-19T09:56:20 < ReadError> thought japs are pro at that
2016-09-19T09:56:29 < PeterM> oh, fair nuff
2016-09-19T09:56:33 < ReadError> and skeet shooting
2016-09-19T09:56:34 < PeterM> seems similar to here
2016-09-19T09:57:46 < dongs> you wont be able to buy one until you have a gun case
2016-09-19T09:58:07 < dongs> and police will check the guncase security/location/lock first before giving you a thing that lets you buy a gun
2016-09-19T09:58:14 < dongs> and thats all after you've spent ~1 year on paperwork/certification
2016-09-19T09:58:29 < dongs> lol plz R2COM 
2016-09-19T09:58:37 < dongs> why would you even need a gun in japan, fast
2016-09-19T09:58:44 < ReadError> samurais 
2016-09-19T10:00:06 < ReadError> they have tom cruise
2016-09-19T10:03:28 < brianx> switzerland has very strict gun laws.  able bodied men are required to serve a few years in the military and to bring their gun home when they're done.  gun ownership is mandatory. 
2016-09-19T10:03:41 < dongs> awesome
2016-09-19T10:04:02 < brianx> how else do you get to remain "neutral"?
2016-09-19T10:04:04 < LeelooMinai> brianx: Are you serious?
2016-09-19T10:04:20 < brianx> LeelooMinai: not currently.  this really was true a long time ago.
2016-09-19T10:04:35 < LeelooMinai> A, ok...
2016-09-19T10:05:42 < PeterM> been using standard mig for ages,  forgot how damn smokey flux core is
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2016-09-19T10:32:13 < LeelooMinai> If I did not get that M1K board I would be screwed - no way I would be able to develop/debug those low power modes - they are tricky as hell.
2016-09-19T10:38:13 < dongs> fuck
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2016-09-19T11:19:15 < dongs> http://www.texio.co.jp/en/product/lists/7/27 just grabbed a used DL2060 for around 300
2016-09-19T11:26:23 < PeterM> wow, thats damn nice for 300
2016-09-19T11:28:14 < dongs> yeah, pal was talking how great instek GDM-8261A is and that thing is like 1.3k
2016-09-19T11:28:22 < dongs> wiht ~similar spec
2016-09-19T11:30:11 < PeterM> thats new etc right?
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2016-09-19T11:31:43 < dongs> used but looks new to me and passes test
2016-09-19T11:31:44 < dongs> so shrug
2016-09-19T11:31:57 < dongs> jap used is like generally spotless
2016-09-19T11:32:43 < PeterM> fair nuff
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2016-09-19T11:33:19 < Jak_o_Shadows> What's the point of nice dmm's like that?
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2016-09-19T11:33:38 < PeterM> measuring stuff than trash dmms can't?
2016-09-19T11:34:17 < dongs> yeah
2016-09-19T11:34:18 < emeryth> but it's not Fluke, why bother?
2016-09-19T11:34:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> Like, I get accuracy and resolution
2016-09-19T11:34:21 < dongs> this should be better than my fluke 73
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2016-09-19T11:34:52 < Jak_o_Shadows> But in terms of range, it doesn't seem too much more than my rubbish one
2016-09-19T11:34:59 < Jak_o_Shadows> So is it just for the accuracy?
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2016-09-19T11:40:50 < zyp> 06:09:02 < dongs> DMA out of stack does NOT work.
2016-09-19T11:40:55 < dongs> zyp, solved
2016-09-19T11:40:58 < dongs> scroll down more.
2016-09-19T11:41:00 < zyp> from a DMA perspective, stack is just normal memory
2016-09-19T11:41:03 < dongs> yeah
2016-09-19T11:41:06 < dongs> wasn't the problem
2016-09-19T11:41:13 < dongs> variable length array in armcc = in heap
2016-09-19T11:41:17 < dongs> was not enough heap
2016-09-19T11:41:21 < dongs> vla pointed to 0x0
2016-09-19T11:41:28 < dongs> for some reason, writing to it successed (no hardfault)
2016-09-19T11:41:31 < dongs> then DMA from 0 failed.
2016-09-19T11:41:36 < zyp> haha
2016-09-19T11:53:37 < dongs> so everything is clear except the how i was able to write to 0x0 + offset
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2016-09-19T12:11:38 < Thorn> what was the offset and did you remap memory?
2016-09-19T12:27:39 < zyp> dongs, so, are you actually seeing any speed benefit from doing a DMA copy while CPU is blocking instead of just doing a CPU copy?
2016-09-19T12:27:43 < PeterM> https://gfycat.com/MindlessDelightfulFairybluebird
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2016-09-19T12:40:01 < tkoskine> zyp: Sometimes on stm32, stack can be placed on ccm (core coupled memory) and it doesn't support dma. (Although, this kind of setup is special and you probably know about the limitations if you are using it.)
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2016-09-19T12:48:48 < stvn> what the fuck
2016-09-19T12:53:11 < stvn> dongs: can you get me the circuit diagrams mate
2016-09-19T12:56:18 < zyp> tkoskine, I'm aware, but that's besides the point
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2016-09-19T13:01:48 < jpa-> tkoskine: yeah, that was the initial reaction of everyone who read that question, but F401 doesn't even have CCM :P
2016-09-19T13:02:15 < jpa-> zyp: there is speed benefit if there are some interrupts going on
2016-09-19T13:02:20 < stvn> wut is ccm
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2016-09-19T13:09:14 < jpa-> stvn: annoyance ram in F4 that only the CPU can access
2016-09-19T13:09:28 < jpa-> fortunately in F7 DMA can access it also
2016-09-19T13:12:19 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU
2016-09-19T13:17:33 < stvn> im tryin' to esd safe my latest pump station
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2016-09-19T13:20:09 < stvn> how good are wood benches for esd
2016-09-19T13:20:42 < LeelooMinai> Pretty good
2016-09-19T13:21:02 < stvn> that's what i've heard
2016-09-19T13:21:25 < LeelooMinai> When you were last zapped by static from wood? :p
2016-09-19T13:21:33 < stvn> heheh :3
2016-09-19T13:25:15 < jadew> so you don't need an ESD mat?
2016-09-19T13:25:31 < jadew> pertty sure I can charge my bench
2016-09-19T13:25:34 < stvn> im using one
2016-09-19T13:25:57 < jadew> and it's all wood, but it has shiny finish
2016-09-19T13:25:58 < LeelooMinai> I guess youc an charge entything if you try hard enough...
2016-09-19T13:26:05 < stvn> haha
2016-09-19T13:26:59 < jadew> anyway, I think bench ESD protection is overrated
2016-09-19T13:27:07 < jadew> what's more important is for you to be grounded
2016-09-19T13:27:18 < jadew> there are far less opportunities for the bench to get charged
2016-09-19T13:28:02 < stvn> mmmm
2016-09-19T13:30:53 < jadew> on the upside tho, it's easier to change a MAT when it gets ugly, rather than the whole desk
2016-09-19T13:31:09 < jadew> because you will burn itmat
2016-09-19T13:31:13 < jadew> *mat
2016-09-19T13:31:22 < LeelooMinai> I think my mat is more expensive that the desk though...
2016-09-19T13:31:33 < stvn> same
2016-09-19T13:31:34 < jadew> hehe
2016-09-19T13:31:48 < jadew> I have a cheap mat... $50 or something
2016-09-19T13:32:00 < stvn> i got some mutt to knock it up for a few beers and $25
2016-09-19T13:32:47 < Thorn> anyone used siglent sdm3055?
2016-09-19T13:33:17 < jadew> I considered it
2016-09-19T13:33:33 < jadew> went for a 34410A instead
2016-09-19T13:34:12 < Thorn> used?
2016-09-19T13:34:15 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-19T13:34:34 < Thorn> they seem to be >$1k on ebay
2016-09-19T13:34:59 < jadew> not sure how much I paid for mine, give me a sec
2016-09-19T13:34:59 < stvn> yeah eevblog induced price gouging 
2016-09-19T13:35:11 < jadew> nah, that's not from eevblog
2016-09-19T13:35:22 < jadew> they're still priced high when new
2016-09-19T13:35:28 < jadew> they're very good meters
2016-09-19T13:35:30 < stvn> oh it's a 20mhz analog scope, lets charge $300 aud
2016-09-19T13:35:33 < stvn> they are
2016-09-19T13:37:51 < jadew> I paid $610 for mine
2016-09-19T13:39:12 < jadew> I almost went for the new models with the nice graphical display
2016-09-19T13:39:35 < jadew> but meh, this one's faster than the bottom range graphical one
2016-09-19T13:39:42 < jadew> + it starts right away
2016-09-19T13:41:32 < stvn> worth it
2016-09-19T13:42:13 < Thorn> here's a 34401a http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Agilent-34401A-Multimeter/302073455017
2016-09-19T13:42:41 < stvn> she's alright
2016-09-19T13:42:50 < jadew> yeah, that's a good meter too
2016-09-19T13:43:04 < stvn> alls i got is a handful of fluke (non benchtop) dmms
2016-09-19T13:43:16 < stvn> 79iii 179 87v
2016-09-19T13:44:42 < Thorn> 01a vs 10a http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5989-4038EN.pdf
2016-09-19T13:45:17 < jadew> handheld meters are nice too, but I wanted something that didn't clutter my bench space anymore than it is
2016-09-19T13:45:24 < stvn> love it though, who are ya keysight? agilent? hp?
2016-09-19T13:45:26 < Thorn> 10mA to 3A means ranges? or is the lowest measurable current 10mA?
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2016-09-19T13:45:55 < jadew> 10 mA as a range
2016-09-19T13:46:03 < jadew> so 6.5 digits in 10 mA range
2016-09-19T13:46:12 < jadew> with 10 mA being the max current for that range
2016-09-19T13:46:45 < jadew> the 34410A has 100 uA range, just like the graphical ones
2016-09-19T13:47:25 < jadew> and 10,000 readings / second in 5.5 digits mode, the graphical ones have 1,000 readings/s in 4.5 digits mode
2016-09-19T13:48:08 < jadew> 10A has 1,000 in full 6.5 digits mode
2016-09-19T13:48:17 < jadew> it's an impressive meter
2016-09-19T13:49:53 < jadew> stvn, so are flukes as reliable as people say they are?
2016-09-19T13:50:09 < jadew> I only have chinese stuff in the handheld department
2016-09-19T13:50:19 < stvn> yeah i drop them on concrete a fair bit
2016-09-19T13:50:31 < stvn> just cause i'm a dickhead, never damaged one
2016-09-19T13:50:43 < dongs> zyp, its for  clocking shit out SPI
2016-09-19T13:50:46 < dongs> at 22mhz
2016-09-19T13:51:00 < dongs> i'm pretty sure whie (*data) { SPI->DR } shit would be slower
2016-09-19T13:51:17 < dongs> as I never got that to work wihtout inserting a delay between each transfer
2016-09-19T13:53:04 < dongs> Thorn: no and no. offset was just 0x0 (where the vla was mapped to + few 100bytes 
2016-09-19T13:53:31 < dongs> zyp: and I do have a if (xfer < xx) case where I just send it out byte by byte where DMA transfer setup would take more cycles
2016-09-19T13:54:46 < jadew> Thorn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUKcmntlaxw
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2016-09-19T14:10:30 < Thorn> what why does diode mode only go up to 1V :/
2016-09-19T14:10:38 < Thorn> -what
2016-09-19T14:11:12 < Thorn> the siglent with firmware upgrade can do up to 4V
2016-09-19T14:11:31 < jadew> I don't know, I always wanted something that can do ~20 V
2016-09-19T14:11:51 < jadew> but I guess you can just build one
2016-09-19T14:14:04 < jadew> I made an IV tracer that goes from -8V to 8V tho, much more useful
2016-09-19T14:16:00 < dongs> that agilent is 1.1k used
2016-09-19T14:16:11 < jadew> what agilent?
2016-09-19T14:16:19 < dongs> < jadew> Thorn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUKcmntlaxw
2016-09-19T14:16:21 < dongs> the one you linked
2016-09-19T14:16:27 < dongs> jadew: i just bought some jappu one
2016-09-19T14:16:59 < jadew> ah, I guess I got lucky then
2016-09-19T14:17:04 < dongs> http://www.texio.co.jp/en/product/lists/7/27
2016-09-19T14:17:09 < dongs> DL-2060 for aroudn 300bux
2016-09-19T14:17:28 < jadew> that's not bad
2016-09-19T14:18:04 < Thorn> >Singapore,Malaysia,
2016-09-19T14:18:04 < Thorn> Thailand,Vietnam,
2016-09-19T14:18:04 < Thorn> China,Korea Only
2016-09-19T14:18:13 < dongs> whats that?
2016-09-19T14:18:33 < dongs> oh sales region
2016-09-19T14:18:40 < dongs> no iea why.
2016-09-19T14:18:46 < dongs> manual (pdf) has specs starting from page 107
2016-09-19T14:19:25 < dongs> I like dot matrix screen better than taht segmented VFD
2016-09-19T14:19:36 < dongs> segmented shit is total aids, its like its fucking 1985
2016-09-19T14:19:49 < stvn> but it is
2016-09-19T14:20:08 < jadew> I don't mind it either way
2016-09-19T14:20:24 < jadew> I have dot matrix on the electronic load nad is not that great
2016-09-19T14:20:33 < jadew> so I guess it depends on the build quality
2016-09-19T14:20:37 < Thorn> in that case get a siglent with a tft display lol
2016-09-19T14:20:56 < dongs> my jappu load is dot matrix but the 40-18 power supply is segment
2016-09-19T14:21:04 < Laurenceb__> nsfw  http://archive.is/ITkvJ
2016-09-19T14:21:34 < stvn> looks like a templeOS blog
2016-09-19T14:22:30 < jadew> Laurenceb__, so the conclusion is that women who have unprotected sex are happier?
2016-09-19T14:22:52 < Laurenceb__> yeah cuz they were tricked by the patriarchy
2016-09-19T14:23:30 < Thorn> dongs: have you heard of korean spectrum analyzers made by LIGnex1? like NS-30A, NS-265
2016-09-19T14:23:33 < jadew> ah, it's a feminist article?
2016-09-19T14:23:47 < Thorn> they seem to be available used around here
2016-09-19T14:23:48 < Laurenceb__> no shit 
2016-09-19T14:24:23 < jadew> Thorn, how much?
2016-09-19T14:24:48 < dongs> Thorn: nope, never
2016-09-19T14:24:51 < Thorn> I think NS-30A could be under $2k
2016-09-19T14:25:07 < dongs> thorn, website sounds like some military shit lol
2016-09-19T14:25:35 < dongs> what the hell
2016-09-19T14:27:43 < PeterM> http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=advantest+%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AB%E3%83%81%E3%83%A1%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BF&oq=&tab_ex=commerce&ei=UTF-8&rs=2&slider=0 http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m161521528
2016-09-19T14:28:03 < dongs> PeterM: thatsthe second texio
2016-09-19T14:28:10 < dongs> mine was 30k before tax
2016-09-19T14:28:15 < dongs> same place listed it too
2016-09-19T14:28:25 < dongs> obv i went for the cheaper one :D
2016-09-19T14:29:11 < dongs> http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b192117390 just get this, done
2016-09-19T14:30:53 < Thorn> that guy is a skilled photographer
2016-09-19T14:32:09 < jadew> Thorn, he only had a telephoto lens at his disposal and the lab was not that big
2016-09-19T14:32:19 < stvn> memorii kaardo
2016-09-19T14:32:21 < stvn> lolol
2016-09-19T14:32:31 < dongs> Thorn: http://blog.daum.net/gngtek/387
2016-09-19T14:33:02 < dongs> wat, flopy
2016-09-19T14:33:08 < dongs> is that shit just rip of agilent ES3040 or wahtever?
2016-09-19T14:33:11 < dongs> E4404
2016-09-19T14:33:12 < dongs> wahtever
2016-09-19T14:34:12 < Thorn> seems to be sold new here http://www.prist.ru/produce/card/meas.htm?id=-1170866962#t=main
2016-09-19T14:34:58 < dongs> new?
2016-09-19T14:35:20 < Thorn> http://sbchel.ru/sites/default/files/ns-30a.pdf  http://www.lihuey.com/products/upload/P61-P62_Nex1_NS.pdf
2016-09-19T14:35:22 < dongs> that thing looks like its pre-2000 vintage
2016-09-19T14:35:30 < dongs> yeah i found pdf manual dated 2005
2016-09-19T14:35:40 < dongs> http://www.protelturkey.com/urunler/tm/nex1/NS-30A_operating_manual.pdf
2016-09-19T14:35:53 < Thorn> note they put something with a usb port in it instead of the floppy drive
2016-09-19T14:36:00 < dongs> oh hah
2016-09-19T14:36:03 < dongs> maybe one of those
2016-09-19T14:36:07 < dongs> USB Floppy emulators
2016-09-19T14:36:59 < stvn> yeah they're good fun
2016-09-19T14:37:35 < Thorn> http://usedpribor.ru/ has ns-30a for $1400 (gpib, no tg)
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2016-09-19T14:37:52 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: in internets no-one knows you are a woman
2016-09-19T14:37:57 < dongs> i think thats close to wat i paid for my agilent E4402B or somesuch
2016-09-19T14:38:08 < stvn> hmmmmmm
2016-09-19T14:38:21 < dongs> i should sell it before it becomes completely wrothless
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2016-09-19T14:38:26 < dongs> i did buy a new battery for it
2016-09-19T14:38:29 < dongs> its in my other office
2016-09-19T14:39:10 < dongs> Thorn: that one on testbox link is 1400 as well
2016-09-19T14:39:12 < jadew> I have two 8562A that I have to sell
2016-09-19T14:39:23 < dongs> wat
2016-09-19T14:39:30 < dongs> how obsolete are they
2016-09-19T14:39:31 < jadew> I've never sold anything and I bought a bunch of crap to fix and sell
2016-09-19T14:39:37 < dongs> agilent doesnt even have a pic of htem
2016-09-19T14:39:41 < jadew> not entirely
2016-09-19T14:39:41 < stvn> hoot hoot
2016-09-19T14:39:53 < dongs> ah with a fucking crt
2016-09-19T14:39:56 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-19T14:39:57 < dongs> you can keep taht shit bro
2016-09-19T14:40:09 < jadew> haha
2016-09-19T14:40:11 < stvn> lol
2016-09-19T14:40:23 < jadew> they're still decent
2016-09-19T14:42:30 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI9IuBthnd4
2016-09-19T14:44:42 < jadew> lol @ the live comments
2016-09-19T14:45:20 < dongs> automotive quick and dirty dc/dc
2016-09-19T14:45:29 < dongs> 12-24V or whatever junk
2016-09-19T14:45:33 < dongs> something _Q1 from TI
2016-09-19T14:46:38 < Laurenceb__> lulz @ video
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2016-09-19T14:50:28 < stvn> you've dropped your gay card!
2016-09-19T14:50:28 < jadew> lol, that guy got banned from the streaming service because he got mugged lol
2016-09-19T14:52:13 < Laurenceb__> https://i.imgpile.com/2016/09/18/655c272728725c040503f000761948bb.jpg
2016-09-19T14:52:41 < Laurenceb__> lul the gay card joke
2016-09-19T14:53:08 < Laurenceb__> at my school we also had a gay square - a concrete square in playground that made you gay
2016-09-19T14:53:27 < jadew> lol
2016-09-19T14:53:31 < PaulFertser> Permanently?
2016-09-19T14:53:37 < Laurenceb__> supposedly
2016-09-19T14:53:52 < Laurenceb__> there was also the wedgey pole 
2016-09-19T14:53:59 < Laurenceb__> which was totally not gay
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2016-09-19T14:55:36 < PaulFertser> In russian there's a rhyme that translates as "One who wears Adidas will become gay soon".
2016-09-19T14:55:53 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/tps54560/description looks ok
2016-09-19T14:56:11 < dongs> can swap for -Q1 version when production
2016-09-19T14:56:28 < jadew> haha PaulFertser
2016-09-19T14:56:39 < dongs> w2hat do you mean soon
2016-09-19T14:56:48 < dongs> if you're wearing adidas you're already gay
2016-09-19T14:57:12 < Laurenceb__> my school was an ex POW camp, still had some of the old huts and perimeter fence
2016-09-19T14:57:59 < jadew> sounds appropriate for a school
2016-09-19T14:58:01 < Thorn> any ovens?
2016-09-19T14:58:08 < Laurenceb__> lulno
2016-09-19T14:58:22 < Laurenceb__> apparently it was used for Italians
2016-09-19T14:58:48 < jadew> the building my dad lives in used to have prison cells in the basement
2016-09-19T14:59:05 < jadew> and everyone in the building owns some space in the basement that also has a small prison cell anexed to it
2016-09-19T14:59:22 < jadew> the thick doors are still in place
2016-09-19T15:00:18 < jadew> it's creepy
2016-09-19T15:01:10 < jadew> ah, and the walls of the building are 1 meter thick
2016-09-19T15:01:16 < jadew> I don't know wth that building was used for
2016-09-19T15:04:39 < Thorn> prison in basement == some kind of kgb
2016-09-19T15:05:08 < kakimir> jadew: you have pics?
2016-09-19T15:05:34 < jadew> kakimir, no, but I can take some tomorrow
2016-09-19T15:05:40 < jadew> I have to go install his router
2016-09-19T15:05:46 < jadew> Thorn, yeah, possibly
2016-09-19T15:06:19 < Thorn> casually 5kV https://youtu.be/rmTP-aR3CxQ?t=34m35s
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2016-09-19T15:43:29 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYVpEeGllTDdQYXM/view?usp=sharing
2016-09-19T15:43:37 < kakimir> innovation of today
2016-09-19T15:44:09 < dongs> https://twitter.com/_youhadonejob1/status/777839882903453696 crt spotted
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2016-09-19T16:13:51 < dongs> the fuck is the difference between 8080 and 6800 Mcu interface
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2016-09-19T16:19:48 < kakimir> the fuck you talking about?
2016-09-19T16:20:13 < dongs> zyp: https://www.solid-run.com/marvell-armada-family/armada-8040-community-board/
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2016-09-19T16:26:12 < dongs> yeah i know they're almost same but i mean which one should I care
2016-09-19T16:26:34 < dongs> obviously neither
2016-09-19T16:26:36 < dongs> i'm using stm32 fsmc
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2016-09-19T16:27:07 < dongs> it can do either?
2016-09-19T16:27:51 < dongs> the picture of 6800 and 8080 looks identical
2016-09-19T16:27:59 < dongs> in that pdef
2016-09-19T16:28:06 < dongs> unless tehres some subtle dumb timing shit im not seeing
2016-09-19T16:28:28 < dongs> you mean names of htem?
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2016-09-19T16:32:17 < dongs> k yeah its same
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2016-09-19T16:32:41 < karlp> dongs: Marvell Modular Chip (MoChI™) Interfaces (MCI) over USB Type C connector ?
2016-09-19T16:32:43 < dongs> 8080 is e asier cuz it can all run from fsmc looks like
2016-09-19T16:32:51 < dongs> karlp: no idea, not my board
2016-09-19T16:33:02 < dongs> funny name tho
2016-09-19T16:38:50 < aandrew> < dongs> I think its time to post on st forums
2016-09-19T16:38:54 < aandrew> this I gotta see.  Link?
2016-09-19T16:39:53 < dongs> aandrew: solved below
2016-09-19T16:40:01 < dongs> was too lazy to make account
2016-09-19T16:41:49 < aandrew> dongs: the solution was just to use SRAM?
2016-09-19T16:41:52 < aandrew> er fixed SRAM buffer
2016-09-19T16:42:08 < dongs> no, it happened because variable length array was "allocating" in heap
2016-09-19T16:42:19 < dongs> and failing to allocate since I had almost no heap reserved
2016-09-19T16:42:26 < dongs> and ended up being a null pointer
2016-09-19T16:42:37 < dongs> which didn't hardfault in writing to (dunno why, this is the last remaining puzzle)
2016-09-19T16:42:43 < dongs> and then passing 0x0 to DMA of course failed
2016-09-19T16:43:02 < aandrew> 8080 and 6800 MCU interfaces are very similar, but 8080 IIRC has address/data shared and 6800 are separate
2016-09-19T16:43:28 < aandrew> also 8080 uses separate RD# WR# where 6800 uses R/W# and E#
2016-09-19T16:43:37 < dongs> yeah but E = RD
2016-09-19T16:43:42 < dongs> anyway, close e nough to wahtever yeah
2016-09-19T16:43:46 < aandrew> E=RD when R/W#=1 yes
2016-09-19T16:44:00 < aandrew> but yes it's a trivial difference, just need to use the same on both sides
2016-09-19T16:44:03 < aandrew> same as anything really
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2016-09-19T17:28:49 < qyx> tsss, not checking malloc result
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2016-09-19T17:31:53 < dongs> you cant check it
2016-09-19T17:32:08 < dongs> try int fgt[randomsize]; and see if you can do if (fgt == NULL)
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2016-09-19T17:46:52 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8hvyjZWHs
2016-09-19T17:46:59 < qyx> is that local variable?
2016-09-19T17:47:45 < dongs> yues
2016-09-19T17:47:48 < dongs> variable length array
2016-09-19T17:48:00 < dongs> and randomsize comes as argument to function
2016-09-19T17:48:28 < Thorn> it doesn't call malloc()
2016-09-19T17:48:34 < dongs> it does in armcc
2016-09-19T17:48:45 < dongs> it literally calls malloc cuz i looked at disasm
2016-09-19T17:49:57 < Thorn> are you sure it's not alloca() or malloca()
2016-09-19T17:50:04 < dongs> yes
2016-09-19T17:50:12 < dongs>  < dongs> 0x08007E4A F001FCBB  BL.W          malloc (0x080097C4)
2016-09-19T17:51:05 < Thorn> your compiler should be taken out and shot
2016-09-19T17:51:06 < Laurenceb> Internet users who spent excessive time online were more likely to suffer mental disorders, as one in four cyber addicts were found with conditions such as autism
2016-09-19T17:52:11 < dongs> yes it does
2016-09-19T17:55:24 < karlp> Thorn: totally allowed by specs, 
2016-09-19T17:55:34 < karlp> gcc just happens to do what you tink is right
2016-09-19T17:55:45 < karlp> I'm more curious about all the writes to it succeeding.
2016-09-19T17:55:56 < dongs> yes
2016-09-19T17:58:02 < Thorn> there're no VLAs anywhere except c99 and c11
2016-09-19T17:58:20 < dongs> correct
2016-09-19T17:58:27 < Thorn> which is not what this armcc thing tried to implement
2016-09-19T17:58:35 < Thorn> it's a non-standard extension
2016-09-19T17:58:43 < dongs> no, its a c99 thing there.
2016-09-19T17:58:48 < dongs> enable with either --gnu or --c99
2016-09-19T18:00:39 < karlp> Thorn: c99 doesn't specify what happens when VLA allocaiton fails,
2016-09-19T18:00:46 < karlp> nor does it specify where it should be stored
2016-09-19T18:00:53 < karlp> C doesn't care about your stack/heap differnces.
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2016-09-19T18:30:22 < hansihe> i have a nucleo-f767zi, and I am trying to get usb client mode hid working. Pretty much using the generated code from the stm32cube application
2016-09-19T18:32:07 < hansihe> it does not work, debugging it it seems to get to stm32f7xx_ll_usb.c:USB_SetCurrentMode and from there to HAL_Delay(50)
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2016-09-19T18:33:04 < hansihe> after some time in the delay function, but before returning it ends up in WWDG_IRQHandler, which might mean hardfault?
2016-09-19T18:33:13 < hansihe> any suggestions where I should go from here?
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2016-09-19T18:36:21 < hansihe> if I am providing too little information, yell at me, I will do my best to give more
2016-09-19T18:37:20 < Rob235> sorry no idea
2016-09-19T18:37:25 < Rob235> I havent used cube yet
2016-09-19T18:38:29 < ddrown> that's the window watchdog interrupt, hardfaults go to HardFault_Handler I think
2016-09-19T18:39:03 < Rob235> WWDG:  Where Would Dongs Go?
2016-09-19T18:39:06 < Thorn> iirc by default the handler is shared between several vectors
2016-09-19T18:39:38 < hansihe> i would prefer not using cube if i could, just could not find any information on usb without it
2016-09-19T18:40:06 < Rob235> Ive been wanting to try cube, I'm still on my first project which uses stdPeriph
2016-09-19T18:41:07 < ddrown> Thorn: HardFault/WWDG have different entries in cubemx's g_pfnVectors
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2016-09-19T18:41:53 < ddrown> it's true there's a Default_Handler that will be used if there's no handler with the name
2016-09-19T18:44:03 < ddrown> if you're ending up in a function named WWDG_IRQHandler, I assume you've enabled it and cubemx auto-generated that function for you
2016-09-19T18:44:34 < dongs> or maybe USB code uses watchdog for catching errors
2016-09-19T18:44:40 < hansihe> ddrown: nope, i have not
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2016-09-19T18:46:45 < Thorn> I think I remember seeing that WWDG_Handler in gdb after a hard fault (and WWDG was definitely disabled). maybe it's a gdb bug
2016-09-19T18:46:52 < hansihe> i know the issue
2016-09-19T18:47:27 < hansihe> in startup_stm32f767xx.s all interrupt handlers seem to point to a single default handler
2016-09-19T18:47:37 < dongs> thats not an issue
2016-09-19T18:47:38 < dongs> thats normal
2016-09-19T18:47:44 < dongs> they're all weak refs
2016-09-19T18:47:46 < hansihe> WWDG_Handler is on top, so that's the one gdb is using
2016-09-19T18:47:50 < dongs> oh
2016-09-19T18:47:51 < hansihe> displaying rather
2016-09-19T18:47:51 < dongs> gdb k
2016-09-19T18:48:32 < hansihe> i will make them separate i guess so that i can pinpoint which one it actually is
2016-09-19T18:49:15 < karlp> what version of gdb do yo have? I seem to remember seeing that behaviour ages ago, but not recently.
2016-09-19T18:50:05 < hansihe> GNU gdb (GDB) 7.11.1
2016-09-19T18:50:26 < hansihe> that's fairly recent i believe
2016-09-19T18:53:24 < hansihe> ok, it is not a hardfault at least, i am gonna guess it's one of the usb related interrupts
2016-09-19T18:54:08 < Thorn> holy cow not exactly cheap http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=agilent+33250A&_sacat=0
2016-09-19T18:55:22 < karlp> exar making funky combo devies again: http://ir.exar.com/press-releases/detail/774/exars-usb-to-ethernet-uart-bridge-offers-unprecedented-integration-and-ease-of-use
2016-09-19T18:55:34 < karlp> that's like an f4 with fancy firmware prepacked
2016-09-19T18:55:38 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40959.msg1585958#msg1585958
2016-09-19T18:56:03 < dongs> any spacex jewsat news?
2016-09-19T18:56:11 < Laurenceb> it was Putin
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2016-09-19T19:04:08 < karlp> boo, sent my phone that went through the wash to these polish phone jtag dudes.  desoldered the flash and stuck it on a jig, no life.
2016-09-19T19:04:19 < dongs> aw
2016-09-19T19:04:38 < dongs> emmc?
2016-09-19T19:04:43 < karlp> yeah
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2016-09-19T19:04:52 < karlp> was worth a shot
2016-09-19T19:05:00 < dongs> is it dead-dead?
2016-09-19T19:05:04 < karlp> yeah
2016-09-19T19:05:07 < dongs> did they  unball it and stick into jig?
2016-09-19T19:05:11 < karlp> yeah
2016-09-19T19:05:22 < dongs> the jig i got has sharp little ends they work even if theres no balls
2016-09-19T19:05:22 < karlp> tried jtag insitu first, then desoldered and stuck it in a jig
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2016-09-19T19:05:31 < jpa-> funny that you managed to kill the flash chip with just flashing
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2016-09-19T19:05:42 < jpa-> *washing
2016-09-19T19:06:13 < karlp> well, I then soaked it in isopropanyl to dry it out, ordered a new battery for it, and installed that, 
2016-09-19T19:06:25 < dongs> that probably killed it
2016-09-19T19:06:32 < karlp> never saw smoke, but yeah, a little disappointed
2016-09-19T19:07:06 < karlp> well, I was operating on the assumption that the battery was cactus after the wash, the isopropanol had dried it out sufficiently, and a new battery would "just work"
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2016-09-19T19:07:41 < Steffanx> But why sent it to them? Because you can or semi-important data on it?
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2016-09-19T19:08:01 < karlp> Steffanx: yeah, had a few photos on it that hadn't been backed up, thought it was worth a shot
2016-09-19T19:08:40 < dongs> is this the xiaomi
2016-09-19T19:08:47 < Steffanx> Ah. Too bad then.
2016-09-19T19:09:18 < Steffanx> I bought some cheapish wiley fox. Its actually surprisingly good.
2016-09-19T19:10:22 < Steffanx> Certainly better than the china phone i had befors.
2016-09-19T19:10:23 < Steffanx> E
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2016-09-19T19:11:59 < karlp> dongs: no, old htc-one-s
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2016-09-19T19:19:04 < hansihe> Steffanx: which model?
2016-09-19T19:19:38 < Steffanx> Swift. Cheapest i think :)
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2016-09-19T19:20:29 < hansihe> so it is actually a usable device?
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2016-09-19T19:21:10 < Steffanx> Imho it is. But my phone standards are pretty low.
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2016-09-19T19:35:22 < kakimir> I have created 0 via board with no smas
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2016-09-19T19:38:49 < hansihe> okey, it is the systick handler
2016-09-19T19:39:58 < hansihe> no wait, i am stupid
2016-09-19T19:41:25 < kakimir> correct
2016-09-19T19:42:00 < Steffanx> pics or it didnt happen kakimir
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2016-09-19T19:44:00 < Steffanx> Better switch to mmxvi
2016-09-19T19:47:09 < kakimir> I switched to 4mm bolts
2016-09-19T19:49:38 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSnVxRGs3azZFWHM?usp=sharing
2016-09-19T19:50:54 < kakimir> how do you think? should I butt this in order now?
2016-09-19T19:57:19 < Laurenceb> how many amps?
2016-09-19T19:58:24 < kakimir> momentary many amps
2016-09-19T19:58:52 < kakimir> SCRs are 12A constant but this things is not for constant currents
2016-09-19T19:59:10 < kakimir> I think there will be 20-30amp at least
2016-09-19T19:59:26 < Laurenceb> not very much
2016-09-19T19:59:33 < Laurenceb> is that enough to spot weld?
2016-09-19T19:59:38 < kakimir> battery tabs
2016-09-19T19:59:39 < Laurenceb> https://archive.li/aWlaF/80fdcbb06842830eed5e96793d6f65e88f78555e
2016-09-19T20:00:03 < kakimir> hologramic vision hillary?
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2016-09-19T20:00:27 < Laurenceb> yup
2016-09-19T20:00:33 < Laurenceb> ah battery tabs seems sane
2016-09-19T20:01:07 < kakimir> it runs transformer certainly Laurenceb 
2016-09-19T20:01:19 < kakimir> not directly gettin them amps
2016-09-19T20:01:48 < kakimir> that board chops nice pieces of half wave to be fed to transformer
2016-09-19T20:01:56 < Laurenceb> ok
2016-09-19T20:08:57 < kakimir> I don't remember how to make kicad make them files
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2016-09-19T20:24:49 < Rob235> someone pick for me, hardware or software
2016-09-19T20:25:06 < Rob235> which should I work on right now
2016-09-19T20:25:42 < kakimir> you need rpoejcts?
2016-09-19T20:26:23 < kakimir> http://www.keysight.com/main/editorial.jspx?cc=FI&lc=fin&ckey=2697093&nid=-11143.0.00&id=2697093 was somebody talkin about precision power supplies here?
2016-09-19T20:26:41 < Rob235> no, I have a project, I'm trying to decide if I should do some wiring and adding new stuff or work on the code
2016-09-19T20:26:52 < kakimir> code
2016-09-19T20:44:29 < kakimir> I need panelization tool
2016-09-19T20:44:32 < kakimir> recommends
2016-09-19T20:44:52 < kakimir> I'm up for even paying for a good one
2016-09-19T20:45:09 < kakimir> do they care
2016-09-19T20:45:18 < kakimir> in small patch shit
2016-09-19T20:45:55 < kakimir> I need to check them panelization rules again
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2016-09-19T20:46:54 < kakimir> they don't tell how wide the vcut will be
2016-09-19T20:47:17 < kakimir> how wide it usually is?
2016-09-19T20:47:29 < kakimir> I need to know for small shiets to come out okay
2016-09-19T20:57:37 < upgrdman> pcb v grooves? maybe 1-2mm
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2016-09-19T20:58:12 < kakimir> maybe
2016-09-19T20:58:13 < upgrdman> just them the fag house panelize your shit, they leave room so the v groove isnt encroaching on your shit
2016-09-19T20:58:26 < upgrdman> *just let the fag house
2016-09-19T20:58:38 < kakimir> do they fag houses panelize for me?
2016-09-19T20:58:49 < upgrdman> most will
2016-09-19T20:59:07 < upgrdman> i mean you could DIY but then you have to dick with "hey, what are your preferred panel sizes" etc.
2016-09-19T20:59:08 < kakimir> "fill dat board with dat crap"
2016-09-19T20:59:35 < kakimir> I will have 5cm x 5cm boards
2016-09-19T20:59:37 < kakimir> 10pcs
2016-09-19T20:59:48 < kakimir> and it will fit 4 or 5 boards
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2016-09-19T21:54:02 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjTuJpgyaW8
2016-09-19T22:06:45 < Steffanx> that bunker is sick too. Every young boys dream.
2016-09-19T22:08:47 < Laurenceb> better than dreaming of young boys
2016-09-19T22:08:56 < Steffanx> you are predictable.
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2016-09-19T22:25:49 < XTL> Bunkers and young boys soon as I look in. Classic ##stm32.
2016-09-19T22:27:19 < Steffanx> Its all on you XTL. Apparently you have wrong associations with those two things.
2016-09-19T22:27:33 < BrainDamage> missed opportunity to say come in
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2016-09-19T22:29:07 < Steffanx> ok BrainDamage.
2016-09-19T22:30:24 < Steffanx> baird is driving around on this biky thing.
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2016-09-19T22:30:50 < Steffanx> and wrinting old c64 programs.
2016-09-19T22:31:07 < Steffanx> https://twitter.com/Chris_J_Baird
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2016-09-19T23:41:28 < kakimir> https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3-blogs.mentor.com/tom-hausherr/files/2011/06/Figure-5-90-Degree-V-Groove-Scoring.png this is how v grooving looks?
2016-09-19T23:41:50 < kakimir> 90degree drill bit?
2016-09-19T23:42:03 < kakimir> and 1/3 each side
2016-09-19T23:43:20 < kakimir> it makes v groove to be around 1.1mm wide when board is 1.6mm
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2016-09-19T23:44:48 < kakimir> okay
2016-09-19T23:45:15 < kakimir> "scoring angle" would be the angle of drill bit cone
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2016-09-20T00:02:45 < kakimir> I think it's end of effiient working time today
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2016-09-20T00:14:20 < upgrdman> what's kak'a'laking
2016-09-20T00:19:12 < kakimir> nothing much
2016-09-20T00:19:26 < kakimir> gettin back to electronics stuff
2016-09-20T00:19:48 < kakimir> farm jubbs free time more than work now
2016-09-20T00:24:24 < aandrew> https://www.facebook.com/121391897917617/videos/1088660137857450/
2016-09-20T00:27:29 < jadew> I could dress like that
2016-09-20T00:27:47 < aandrew> I bet you could
2016-09-20T00:27:53 < aandrew> they look a little like gypsies
2016-09-20T00:27:58 < jadew> haha
2016-09-20T00:28:54 < kakimir> :]
2016-09-20T00:35:06 < kakimir> maybe I just go sleep
2016-09-20T00:40:32 < kakimir> and do more pcb tommorrow
2016-09-20T00:41:08 < aandrew> I need to identify that song, I'm hooked
2016-09-20T00:46:16 < kakimir> 24M views for german video
2016-09-20T00:47:18 < jadew> they had a recent influx of people
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2016-09-20T01:06:15 < karlp> aandrew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2wUJNd8QXE
2016-09-20T01:06:25 < karlp> you might try listening to seeed to if you liked that.
2016-09-20T01:06:42 < aandrew> yeah someone else mentioned them. they're a lot more reggae but they have some good stuff in there
2016-09-20T01:06:52 < aandrew> their videos are insane
2016-09-20T01:07:43 < karlp> yeah, seeed is the reggae end, peter fox is part of seeed and has the more dancy bangin end of it
2016-09-20T01:09:04 < karlp> perhaps miss platnum maybe? somewhere in the middle? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpH6F5g3BSQ
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2016-09-20T01:34:40 < Thorn> https://tapastic.com/episode/337952  https://tapastic.com/episode/337953
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2016-09-20T01:59:49 < Laurenceb__> lulz drama
2016-09-20T01:59:50 < Laurenceb__> https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/09/19/2239234/computer-specialist-who-deleted-clinton-emails-may-have-asked-reddit-for-tips
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2016-09-20T03:09:16 < stvn> Laurenceb__
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2016-09-20T03:14:30 < stvn> will they take $50
2016-09-20T03:22:16 < stvn> sure
2016-09-20T03:22:25 < stvn> parts!
2016-09-20T03:23:16 < stvn> i won't touch any product that doesn't have $500+ resale value
2016-09-20T03:24:05 < stvn> unless somebody really wants me to
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2016-09-20T03:30:17 < Laurenceb__> lul just checked one of my cousins on facebook
2016-09-20T03:30:23 < Laurenceb__> she is a fucking unicorn
2016-09-20T03:30:35 < Laurenceb__> facebook account suspended for posting pronz
2016-09-20T03:31:02 < stvn> wut?
2016-09-20T03:31:29 < Laurenceb__> stvn doesn't know what a unicorn is?
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2016-09-20T03:31:45 < Laurenceb__> google is your friend
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2016-09-20T03:32:08 < stvn> a mythical creature?
2016-09-20T03:32:22 < stvn> also who's fb was suspended, hers or yours?
2016-09-20T03:32:48 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6JnhPbHCQ
2016-09-20T03:33:39 < stvn> haha
2016-09-20T03:34:10 < Laurenceb__> englishman: wtf am I watching
2016-09-20T03:34:19 < Laurenceb__> stvn: hers
2016-09-20T03:34:41 < Laurenceb__> she was using it to advertise her chaturbate stuff
2016-09-20T03:34:41 < stvn> Laurenceb__, right
2016-09-20T03:34:52 < stvn> some kind of like furries
2016-09-20T03:35:09 < Laurenceb__> yup
2016-09-20T03:36:26 < stvn> olol
2016-09-20T03:37:02 < stvn> and taking copious amounts of dick
2016-09-20T03:37:04 < stvn> it would seem
2016-09-20T03:37:52 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yC7HwPh6Es
2016-09-20T03:38:26 < stvn> precisely
2016-09-20T03:42:41 < stvn> seems like it
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2016-09-20T04:03:52 < PeterM> Laurenceb__, do you listen to http://thedickshow.com/
2016-09-20T04:06:28 < PeterM> also, RE: englishmans link for PCBA stuff, http://simulcast.hymans.com.au/lots/yokogawa-mv100-mobilecorder are super neat if oyu can get it cheap
2016-09-20T04:07:07 < PeterM> http://simulcast.hymans.com.au/lots/motech-mt4090-lcr-meter is on if cheap
2016-09-20T04:07:25 < PeterM> http://simulcast.hymans.com.au/lots/2-x-work-tables will be super good because the mantis
2016-09-20T04:23:23 < stvn> do these auctions usually blow out
2016-09-20T04:23:32 < PeterM> yes
2016-09-20T04:24:15 < dongs> is that a datablogger
2016-09-20T04:25:59 < dongs> < englishman> Laurenceb__ lifehack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q23WC-z4jMc&t=157
2016-09-20T04:26:02 < dongs> what the fuck
2016-09-20T04:26:05 < PeterM> yeah, but one with a decent UI etc
2016-09-20T04:26:16 < PeterM> dongs electrode boiler
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2016-09-20T04:26:54 < dongs> yeah dude but telling people to stick mains into water floating on matches/ lol.
2016-09-20T04:28:07 < dongs> oh nice, novastar dicknplace stuff
2016-09-20T04:28:44 < dongs> whats a risk code
2016-09-20T04:28:47 < dongs> how much shit is broken on it?
2016-09-20T04:30:01 < dongs> http://simulcast.hymans.com.au/lots/kaeser-sm11-packaged-air-compressor  you should get this
2016-09-20T04:30:39 < dongs> haha, wall of stencils
2016-09-20T04:31:28 < PeterM> actually, that is pretty cheap for a 10hp compressor, i'd be tempted get it for the machineshop
2016-09-20T04:31:50 < dongs> its not like anyone else is gonna bid on that shit right
2016-09-20T04:31:58 < dongs> this looks like zano-style auction
2016-09-20T04:32:06 < dongs> where tehy just priced e verything at $5
2016-09-20T04:32:38 < dongs> only if people actually bid
2016-09-20T04:33:05 < dongs> zano auction actually wasnt any interesting
2016-09-20T04:33:09 < dongs> scope was sold above ebay value
2016-09-20T04:33:24 < dongs> i'd pay like $1k for it, but it ended up being more than average ebay price
2016-09-20T04:33:36 < stvn> mmm
2016-09-20T04:35:16 < stvn> that was a dirty batch
2016-09-20T04:35:51 < stvn> i hope the pic32 reel gave the winner aids
2016-09-20T04:36:02 < stvn> aids!
2016-09-20T04:36:07 < scrts> sup lads?
2016-09-20T04:36:09 < dongs> i hope they're still trying to resell it
2016-09-20T04:36:39 < scrts> did everyone get their CCS stuff from TI almost free?
2016-09-20T04:37:21 < stvn> u wot mate
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2016-09-20T04:38:08 < dongs> cock composer?
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2016-09-20T04:51:34 < dongs> https://www.iti.iwatsu.co.jp/ja/products/voac/voac7602_top.html aw to bad i bought that other jappu one already
2016-09-20T04:51:37 < dongs> the LCD on this one looks bomb
2016-09-20T04:52:49 < dongs> yes
2016-09-20T04:53:53 < upgrdman> i like how the iwatsu has an analog meter style.... in many cases its so nice to see a needle move instead of a number change
2016-09-20T04:54:09 < dongs> hipster
2016-09-20T04:54:13 < upgrdman> i have two old kikusui psus and love there analog meters
2016-09-20T04:54:51 < upgrdman> i think i might rip off that iwatsu analog meter and stick it in my telemetry viewer program
2016-09-20T04:55:13 < dongs> i think you need pretty highrez lcd for it to look good
2016-09-20T04:55:18 < dongs> gonna look like trash on 240x320
2016-09-20T04:55:54 < upgrdman> no my telem viewer is a java program
2016-09-20T04:55:59 < dongs> oh
2016-09-20T04:56:00 < upgrdman> run at 4k60
2016-09-20T04:56:34 < dongs> see if there's firmware updates
2016-09-20T04:56:42 < dongs> can steal the graphics directly.
2016-09-20T04:57:08 < dongs> https://www.iti.iwatsu.co.jp/ja/download/VOAC7602_New_feature_V3.html
2016-09-20T04:57:09 < dongs> yes
2016-09-20T04:57:22 < upgrdman> na i'll write it in opengl. would be a nice learning experience, even if way overkill
2016-09-20T04:58:02 < dongs> bah it needs user / product serial registrationm :(
2016-09-20T05:00:18 < upgrdman> boss approved me getting a 4k monitor for work. bought some lg monitor... backlight uniformed sucked ass. exchanged it for a dell today. very nice. much nicer than the 4k dell i got a year ago.
2016-09-20T05:00:45 < dongs> which dell?
2016-09-20T05:00:49 < upgrdman> but i gotta say, dell skimped on the backlight. 100% is fine, but theres no margin for later on when the LEDs dim
2016-09-20T05:00:55 < upgrdman> the 24" ips
2016-09-20T05:01:12 < dongs> isnt that what you got last year?
2016-09-20T05:01:22 < upgrdman> ya, but last year was for home
2016-09-20T05:01:25 < upgrdman> and it sucked
2016-09-20T05:01:29 < dongs> um
2016-09-20T05:01:35 < dongs> im running mine at 50% brightness/contrast
2016-09-20T05:01:37 < upgrdman> must have been a panel with shit QA
2016-09-20T05:01:39 < dongs> and they're SUPER BRIGHT
2016-09-20T05:01:45 < dongs> teh fuck you talkin about 100%
2016-09-20T05:01:52 < dongs> that'll burn your retinas
2016-09-20T05:01:53 < upgrdman> maybe 24" backlight is diff
2016-09-20T05:01:59 < dongs> i have the 24s
2016-09-20T05:02:03 < dongs> 3 of them
2016-09-20T05:02:05 < dongs> and all 3 are at 50%
2016-09-20T05:02:13 < upgrdman> ya i know. im at home now, on a nice lg 4k monitor, backlight is at 20%
2016-09-20T05:02:15 < dongs> UP2414Q?
2016-09-20T05:02:28 < upgrdman> and my sony 4k tv backlight is at the lowest possible setting, maybe 5%
2016-09-20T05:02:31 < upgrdman> not up
2016-09-20T05:02:39 < upgrdman> the 450$ 24" ips one.
2016-09-20T05:02:41 < dongs> so thats just cheap trash then
2016-09-20T05:02:49 < dongs> wled backlight
2016-09-20T05:02:55 < dongs> so yeah 100% there i can believe
2016-09-20T05:03:01 < upgrdman> ya its for work. not light im gonna go a/v shit on it
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2016-09-20T05:24:42 < stvn> https://youtu.be/yQdzexzbumc?t=2m39s
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2016-09-20T05:43:20 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, you around?
2016-09-20T05:45:40 < upgrdman> any openocd pros awake? trying to flash an f0. i souce the interface, then source the target, then init, then stm_flash /path/to/my.elf ... not working anymore. guessing stm_flash is old?
2016-09-20T05:46:04 < dongs> isnt stm_falsh for like uart flashing
2016-09-20T05:46:24 < upgrdman> worked in 0.9.0 or 0.8.0 ... but that was >1yr ago
2016-09-20T05:46:56 < upgrdman> official stlink util works so i know my hardware/wires/etc are good
2016-09-20T05:51:39 < dongs> wut?
2016-09-20T05:51:47 < dongs> you'd either assign a static IP or have LWIP get a DHCP one
2016-09-20T05:52:03 < dongs> and if you wanted it static with DHCP, you'd register the MAC/whatever in router to give a fixed IP from dhcp pool
2016-09-20T05:52:19 < dongs> they dont
2016-09-20T05:52:27 < dongs> why is this stm32 specific?
2016-09-20T05:52:48 < dongs> you can have the device register itself in DNS or bonjour or wahtever teh fuck the standard lookup shit these days
2016-09-20T05:53:41 < dongs> yeah but what if you get a windows PC with DHCP address
2016-09-20T05:53:48 < dongs> how do other computers on the network find its IP?
2016-09-20T05:54:04 < dongs> right so?
2016-09-20T05:55:50 < dongs>  < R2COM> so question, after my laptop connected to router and did dynamic IP, me, sitting at another PC behind that GUI program, how do I know which IP to enter to connect to my laptop?
2016-09-20T05:56:00 < dongs> the same question.
2016-09-20T05:56:56 < dongs> you dont know unless you 1) display the acquired IP on LCD/something on STM32 2) register with some kinda resolution service, such as netbios/bonjour/dns/whatever 3) have the machine announce itself via some method, such as connecting to a known IP and leaving its connection information.
2016-09-20T05:57:55 < dongs> easist is registering DNS so users can just type "mystm32shitbox" into Ip address field
2016-09-20T05:58:05 < dongs> but that requires controlled environment wiht local DNS server etc
2016-09-20T05:58:31 < dongs> your local netwrok
2016-09-20T05:59:05 < dongs> don't most home routers have this stuff now
2016-09-20T05:59:44 < dongs> anyway just print the IP on lcd or something
2016-09-20T06:02:17 < dongs> 16x1 lcd bro
2016-09-20T06:02:24 < dongs> or those 0.96" oleds
2016-09-20T06:06:35 < dongs> buydisplay.com dude
2016-09-20T06:07:02 < dongs> http://www.buydisplay.com/default/white-spi-i2c-0-96-inch-oled-display-module-breakout-board-for-arduino
2016-09-20T06:07:05 < dongs> done
2016-09-20T06:07:14 < dongs> http://www.buydisplay.com/default/lcd-display-16x1-datasheet-in-pdf-hd44780-controller-black-on-yg
2016-09-20T06:07:18 < dongs> or this
2016-09-20T06:07:26 < dongs> 2.36, lol
2016-09-20T06:07:58 < dongs> 255.255.255.255 just enugh to show 15 digits of IP
2016-09-20T06:09:34 < dongs> the 16x1?
2016-09-20T06:09:48 < dongs> thats a standard-ish footprint, you just use 2.54mm pin headers and standoffs
2016-09-20T06:10:08 < dongs> ah yeah that one you just make SMT pads with holes
2016-09-20T06:10:16 < dongs> then have a little jig that puts 2 pegs in those holes to align the pads
2016-09-20T06:10:19 < dongs> and then just run solder across them
2016-09-20T06:11:39 < dongs> no
2016-09-20T06:11:54 < dongs> imguring a pic
2016-09-20T06:12:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/5mHvK3i.jpg
2016-09-20T06:12:13 < dongs> i have a board using ~similar shit
2016-09-20T06:13:13 < dongs> for mass production i guess you'll make a jig, for your own dicking you can just take a tweezers and stick them through the fpcb/into holes
2016-09-20T06:13:22 < dongs> to align, then solder
2016-09-20T06:13:46 < dongs> correct
2016-09-20T06:13:50 < dongs> because i already removed tweezers
2016-09-20T06:14:28 < dongs> yes
2016-09-20T06:15:14 < dongs> for production to do same
2016-09-20T06:15:25 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/EIcWBts.jpg
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2016-09-20T06:16:44 < dongs> no, after youre done soldering its not going anywehre
2016-09-20T06:16:58 < dongs> you dont need anything in those holes lol.
2016-09-20T06:17:10 < dongs> ... if they want to, yes
2016-09-20T06:17:27 < dongs> i mean, if they're gonna rip those 10 soldered traces off PCB, they'll probly rip flexpcb off the screen, too
2016-09-20T06:17:33 < dongs> shrug
2016-09-20T06:17:50 < dongs> you can glue the screen after soldering it if you're sure youre not removing it again sure
2016-09-20T06:18:02 < dongs> teh LCD i use on that board i linked has little doublesticky tape on permieter
2016-09-20T06:18:13 < dongs> so once its soldered the cover is peeled and shit is stuck to pcb permanently-ish
2016-09-20T06:18:27 < dongs> that buydisplay thing might have similar
2016-09-20T06:18:54 < dongs> or just get some fuckin VHB tape
2016-09-20T06:18:58 < dongs> and cut a strip
2016-09-20T06:19:06 < dongs> they'll never tear that shit off the pcb without breaking the glass
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2016-09-20T06:23:59 < dongs> 5x8 font, you can diplay a lot more htan 15chars
2016-09-20T06:24:16 < dongs> you'll jus have to do two lines or whatever
2016-09-20T06:24:21 < dongs> just get that long one, its simpler
2016-09-20T06:24:38 < dongs> with numbers tho you can probly use like 4x6 or somethin font and stil be visible
2016-09-20T06:24:55 < dongs> or make the . variable width
2016-09-20T06:30:00 < dongs> it runs fine on F107
2016-09-20T06:30:11 < dongs> 48k? or someshit sram
2016-09-20T06:30:34 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/microcontrollers/stm32-32-bit-arm-cortex-mcus/stm32f1-series/stm32f105-107/stm32f107vc.html
2016-09-20T06:30:59 < dongs> i have this on a board
2016-09-20T06:31:14 < dongs> no its like $3
2016-09-20T06:31:31 < dongs> well if you just need one, then yes its $8
2016-09-20T06:32:23 < dongs> not for singles
2016-09-20T06:32:28 < dongs> why are you worried about price for a prpototype
2016-09-20T06:32:55 < dongs> i mean technically F107VC and F407VG are probably ~similar price
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2016-09-20T06:33:19 < dongs> because the latter is used in all the -disco boards
2016-09-20T06:34:19 < stvn> fresh shits
2016-09-20T06:34:41 < stvn> FRESH STM SHITS
2016-09-20T06:35:43 < jadew> R2COM, sounds implausible
2016-09-20T06:35:58 < jadew> very difficult to clone
2016-09-20T06:36:18 < jadew> if you can do it, there's no reason why you wouldn't start your own brand
2016-09-20T06:36:45 < dongs> R2COM: no
2016-09-20T06:36:59 < jadew> at best they failed QA, at worst they don't work
2016-09-20T06:37:08 < jadew> well, not at best
2016-09-20T06:37:13 < jadew> at best, they work as expected :)
2016-09-20T06:37:26 < stvn> i'd like to know how plausible that is (reject chips which failed qa)
2016-09-20T06:37:42 < jadew> that probably happens a lot
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2016-09-20T06:37:52 < stvn> it used to
2016-09-20T06:37:59 < jadew> because that's something the guy on the factory floor can do
2016-09-20T06:38:24 < jadew> of course, they wouldn't do it knowingly
2016-09-20T06:38:32 < stvn> hard to keep those shifty gooks in line though
2016-09-20T06:38:37 < stvn> in the factories
2016-09-20T06:38:41 < jadew> yep
2016-09-20T06:38:54 < jadew> I expect they mark them as failed even when they're not ;)
2016-09-20T06:39:13 < jadew> R2COM, I bought plenty
2016-09-20T06:39:19 < jadew> never had a problem with them
2016-09-20T06:40:17 < jadew> same thing, no problems so far
2016-09-20T06:40:22 < jadew> I bought FPGAs too
2016-09-20T06:40:26 < jadew> all fine
2016-09-20T06:40:42 < jadew> from ali
2016-09-20T06:40:46 < jadew> so.. same thing
2016-09-20T06:41:40 < jadew> you'll know the clones when you see them
2016-09-20T06:42:27 < jadew> for example I bought some LM399, I knew they were fake
2016-09-20T06:43:32 < jadew> it's the kind of part that gets cloned
2016-09-20T06:43:45 < jadew> like high power transistors
2016-09-20T06:44:08 < jadew> yeah, it wouldn't be a clone
2016-09-20T06:48:04 < stvn> you're posting enough text to cause a denial of service attack mate
2016-09-20T06:48:41 < stvn> yessir
2016-09-20T06:48:58 < jadew> R2COM, you have buyer protection
2016-09-20T06:49:13 < jadew> in aliexpress
2016-09-20T06:49:17 < jadew> if they're fake you can ask for a refund
2016-09-20T06:49:45 < jadew> don't know about that, would trust them
2016-09-20T06:50:05 < jadew> no
2016-09-20T06:50:28 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-20T06:51:12 < stvn> toshiba/sanken power transistors are faked a lot in china
2016-09-20T06:52:49 < jadew> I'm off to bed, night
2016-09-20T06:53:03 < stvn> o/
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2016-09-20T07:37:51 < dongs> riglol is riglol
2016-09-20T07:37:55 < dongs> you get wat you pay for
2016-09-20T07:38:13 < dongs> their power supply, after you unlock 4 digit measuremenets
2016-09-20T07:38:18 < dongs> or 3 digits? whatever
2016-09-20T07:38:23 < dongs> when you just turn it on
2016-09-20T07:38:27 < dongs> it shows 0.001A
2016-09-20T07:38:30 < dongs> with no load
2016-09-20T07:38:30 < dongs> lol
2016-09-20T07:40:04 < emeb_mac> what's a milliamp here or there?
2016-09-20T07:40:26 < dongs> im testing out low-power modes on F401 :)
2016-09-20T07:40:31 < dongs> so it kinda matters
2016-09-20T07:40:54 < emeb_mac> better get a real ammeter
2016-09-20T07:41:14 < dongs> on the way, shiped today.
2016-09-20T07:41:41 < emeb_mac> suprised you didn't have one already. 
2016-09-20T07:41:58 < emeb_mac> even cheap-ass radio shack DMMs will read milliamps
2016-09-20T07:42:17 < dongs> my only ammeter was a shorted-fuse fluke 73 II
2016-09-20T07:42:38 < dongs> thats even worse than riglol
2016-09-20T07:43:26 < emeb_mac> heh - riglol
2016-09-20T07:43:32 < emeb_mac> appropriate
2016-09-20T07:43:50 < dongs> riglol works great as a power supl tho, no complaints
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2016-09-20T07:46:08 < emeb_mac> I've got a batch of no-name chinese bench supplies
2016-09-20T07:46:14 < emeb_mac> 5A / 30V
2016-09-20T07:46:29 < emeb_mac> full linear - noisy fans
2016-09-20T07:47:33 < dongs> nice.
2016-09-20T07:49:45 < emeb_mac> they're dual supplies with a pushbutton interface to do parallel / series setups. an MCU with buttons controls the switching and sometimes it powers up in a mode that shorts them together.
2016-09-20T07:49:47 < emeb_mac> yay
2016-09-20T07:50:36 < dongs> haha, sounds super pro
2016-09-20T07:50:39 < dongs> englishman: yea
2016-09-20T07:51:07 < dongs> i have it set for 5V/300mA
2016-09-20T07:51:10 < dongs> and lcd is showing
2016-09-20T07:51:13 < dongs> 5.006V 0.001A
2016-09-20T07:51:30 < dongs> nothin plugged in
2016-09-20T07:53:21 < dongs> exactly
2016-09-20T07:54:20 < dongs> pal wants that iwatsu thing but its not in stock anywhere
2016-09-20T07:54:25 < dongs> and need it here by saturday
2016-09-20T08:11:16 < emeb_mac> I've got a 12 yr old spectrum analyzer from agilent/keysight. cost $15k new. still works great.
2016-09-20T08:11:34 < emeb_mac> only work it ever needed was replacing the CMOS battery after 10 yrs.
2016-09-20T08:13:22 < emeb_mac> thinking about getting a 4chl 200MHz DSO - looked at cheap chinese stuff from the usual suspects.
2016-09-20T08:13:43 < emeb_mac> reconsidering - looking seriously at a tek
2016-09-20T08:14:02 < emeb_mac> even though it's 3x the price of the chinatrash
2016-09-20T08:14:18 < dongs> sounds like you just wanna buy my DPO4034
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2016-09-20T08:15:39 < emeb_mac> why you trying to unload it?
2016-09-20T08:15:52 < dongs> i upgraded to MDO4104 like a year+ ago
2016-09-20T08:16:06 < dongs> so the DPO is just sitting in my other office
2016-09-20T08:17:15 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271881194568 haha this guy is back
2016-09-20T08:17:25 < dongs> i remember trolling him a couple years ago
2016-09-20T08:17:30 < dongs> for trying to sell basically a case + LCD for 4.5k
2016-09-20T08:17:51 < dongs> >: It is missing two vital components: The power supply and the acquisition board.
2016-09-20T08:17:58 < dongs> so it is basically missing everything that makes it a scope
2016-09-20T08:19:12 < emeb_mac> lol
2016-09-20T08:22:14 < dongs> hm what the fuck china
2016-09-20T08:22:21 < dongs> 2 40pin LCD connectors
2016-09-20T08:22:28 < dongs> exactly same pinout
2016-09-20T08:22:35 < dongs> but touchscreen trash is swapped at the end
2016-09-20T08:22:48 < dongs> one is like XYXY the other one is XYYX
2016-09-20T08:26:52 < emeb_mac> looking at an MDO3024
2016-09-20T08:27:24 < emeb_mac> probably a bit cheaper new than your used superpro
2016-09-20T08:28:27 < dongs> you never know :)
2016-09-20T08:29:03 < emeb_mac> given that they're going for 8500+ on ebay...
2016-09-20T08:29:05 < dongs> all sold DPO4034 listings on ebay are 3k or less
2016-09-20T08:29:06 < dongs> nope
2016-09-20T08:29:09 < dongs> check sold listings
2016-09-20T08:29:13 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=DPO4034&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684
2016-09-20T08:30:30 < emeb_mac> ah - optimistic pricing.
2016-09-20T08:34:21 < dongs> http://www.richtek.com/Products/Switching%20Regulators/DC_DC%20StepUp%20Convertor/RT9293?specid=RT9293
2016-09-20T08:34:27 < dongs> "asynchronies"
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2016-09-20T09:05:48 < Thorn> wtf http://www.ebay.com/itm/Agilent-34401A-6-5-Digit-Digital-Bench-Multimeter-DMM-A-N-26080-Not-Working-/191947511002?hash=item2cb0f694da:g:lj4AAOSw65FXs02f
2016-09-20T09:06:12 < Thorn> broken and bad vfd and still sold for $250
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2016-09-20T09:36:41 < Thorn> does this thing look fixable http://www.ebay.com/itm/KEITHLEY-2015-6-1-2-Digit-THD-Audio-MultiMeter-B-Stock-Unit-1/371738912416
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2016-09-20T09:39:25 < Thorn> I'm inspired by all the repair videos lol
2016-09-20T09:40:42 < Thorn> >HP Agilent 3457A Multimeter w/ Rust
2016-09-20T09:41:20 < Thorn> definitely photoshop
2016-09-20T09:41:33 < Thorn> it's the same brighness when rotated
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2016-09-20T09:50:46 < emeb_mac> bad touch!
2016-09-20T09:51:24 < PeterM> resistive is easier, cap is better
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2016-09-20T09:52:52 < PeterM> its just 2 adcvalues, x and y
2016-09-20T09:53:03 < PeterM> cap is a bit different
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2016-09-20T10:07:15 < daey> R2COM: you arent. some idiot set the channel to invite only
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2016-09-20T10:20:44 < stvn> stonertronics is good fun
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2016-09-20T10:31:39 < stvn> cause they all have penis
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2016-09-20T10:39:39 < Thorn> why nobody seems to make 2-quadrant source/load PSUs?
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2016-09-20T10:42:53 < PeterM> thorn look up bipolar or bi-polar power supply
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2016-09-20T10:44:50 < PeterM> also, iirc TI(?) makes some hueg to-220 power opamps that you can use for like a +/-30v 5a 4quadrant powersupply
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2016-09-20T10:48:40 < Thorn> N6784A $1895 used
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2016-09-20T11:00:15 < Thorn> ftp://ztchs.p.lodz.pl/PRP/PRP_2006_2007/10804di.pdf page 2
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2016-09-20T11:39:53 < jpa-> hmph, i have some sort of funny ground loop.. stlink connected through powered usb hub, saleae connected directly, stlink connection drops a lot
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2016-09-20T11:48:14 < dongs> R2COM: yeah 320x480 is pretty good
2016-09-20T11:48:23 < dongs> R2COM: englishman just got one of those (or similar), it should be pretty clear
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2016-09-20T12:23:21 < stvn> ball gag
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2016-09-20T12:38:13 < dongs> whoa
2016-09-20T12:38:19 < dongs> that dicknplace bidding woke up
2016-09-20T12:38:22 < dongs> 10 bids, 5.5k now
2016-09-20T12:39:58 < stvn> of course it will
2016-09-20T12:40:09 < dongs> didnt know people in australia even made pcbs
2016-09-20T12:40:24 < stvn> eevbloggians mate
2016-09-20T12:40:29 < stvn> lul
2016-09-20T12:40:37 < dongs> .. yeah "people"
2016-09-20T12:40:41 < stvn> ^_^
2016-09-20T12:41:32 < stvn> apparently there are a few places in au that make pcb
2016-09-20T12:41:57 < stvn> some assemble boards too
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2016-09-20T12:44:55 < karlp> there were at least three commercial operatiosn in brisbane alone, I can't imagine they've _all_ been replaced.
2016-09-20T12:45:24 < dongs> replaced by china
2016-09-20T12:50:18 < karlp> yeah, don't believe all of them,
2016-09-20T12:50:38 < karlp> there's enough people there to still need/be prepared to pay for  someone local
2016-09-20T12:51:30 < karlp> hrm, source/load in teh same device sounds cool, I've always thought of dummy/controllable loads as being separate.
2016-09-20T12:51:36 < karlp> thanks for the pointer thorn
2016-09-20T12:51:51 < dongs> h,?
2016-09-20T12:51:54 < dongs> wat did he link
2016-09-20T12:54:19 < stvn> 4 quadrant power supply
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2016-09-20T13:04:40 < PeterM> karlp a 4q psu is good for simulating a battery
2016-09-20T13:04:51 < PeterM> because you can pump jews into it
2016-09-20T13:07:05 < PeterM> and suck jews out of it
2016-09-20T13:11:01 < karlp> R2COM: you want/need mdns, pretty sure lwip has it.
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2016-09-20T13:20:09 < stvn> PeterM, that sounds more like a gas chamber
2016-09-20T13:22:10 < dongs> karlp: is that multicastDNS or whatever?
2016-09-20T13:22:37 < dongs> ah same shit as boonjour
2016-09-20T13:26:14 < karlp> if you're _really_ cool, you can do upnp ssdp, and make it show up in windows explorer->network->other devices
2016-09-20T13:26:22 < karlp> but that's way more fiddly
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2016-09-20T13:27:23 < karlp> https://gitorious.digitalstrom.org/dss-misc/upnpbeacon if you want to make your linux device pop up in windows by running some gross xml rpc services that have almost certainly got vulnerabilities in them
2016-09-20T13:27:44 < dongs> lol
2016-09-20T13:28:02 < karlp> it works well though :)
2016-09-20T13:28:02 < dongs> anything wiht XML in it is gross
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2016-09-20T13:28:12 < dongs> and I think thats what all of upnp is
2016-09-20T13:28:45 < karlp> yeah, all upnp is xml web services, 
2016-09-20T13:28:52 < karlp> but there's heaps of profiles within it.
2016-09-20T13:29:19 < karlp> mdns with magically formatted text is hardly better,
2016-09-20T13:29:40 < karlp> just that people think xml just means <> and try and write xml parsers rather naively
2016-09-20T13:29:54 < karlp> and then it always choks when you actually feed it xml
2016-09-20T13:37:39 < stvn> pumpity pump pump
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2016-09-20T13:53:32 < karlp> re upnp ssdp http://imgur.com/a/7GlZR 
2016-09-20T13:56:12 < dongs> rite
2016-09-20T13:56:31 < karlp> double click those automatically oipens a webbrowser at the right ip
2016-09-20T13:56:42 < karlp> never figured out how to change the icon to anything I could control though,
2016-09-20T13:56:47 < karlp> stopped caring long ago
2016-09-20T13:56:52 < dongs> im sure you can
2016-09-20T13:56:58 < karlp> yeah, buried in ms docs.
2016-09-20T13:57:11 < karlp> don't run windows myself, would be too tedious to test itout, works well enough for us
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2016-09-20T14:04:11 < stvn> what a maggot load https://youtu.be/U5wETGhxZXE
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2016-09-20T14:06:39 < Steffanx> Steeeveeey
2016-09-20T14:17:46 < stvn> hi Steffanx 
2016-09-20T14:19:45 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/glance-clock-see-what-you-need-when-you-need-it-smartphone--2#/ one of the first indienono scams under the "checked b y arrow" plan
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2016-09-20T14:23:25 < stvn> cockers
2016-09-20T14:23:38 < BrainDamage> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/hush-plug-control-via-smartphone-from-anywhere-adult#/
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2016-09-20T14:35:16 < stvn> damn that RMS stoolman and his insatiable hunger for human waste
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2016-09-20T15:07:22 < ReadErr> scat fiends
2016-09-20T15:07:27 < ReadErr> ALL OF YOUS
2016-09-20T15:11:53 < stvn> fucken SHIT
2016-09-20T15:12:31 < stvn> i've been feeding the paper shredder for the last hour
2016-09-20T15:12:49 < ReadErr> dont want the feds to know the truth?
2016-09-20T15:13:27 < stvn> !!
2016-09-20T15:14:05 < stvn> the dirty bastids
2016-09-20T15:15:00 < Thorn__> >The devices listed below cannot be shipped to Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan or Syria.
2016-09-20T15:15:05 < Thorn__> what about ISIS?
2016-09-20T15:15:49 < stvn> devices you say
2016-09-20T15:19:57 < dongs> anyone know off hand waht happens when you read FLASH_SIZE register as uint32?
2016-09-20T15:25:50 < dongs> OR: a not-too-retarded way to hash 96bits into 32
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2016-09-20T15:53:49 < karlp> I run it through the crc engine a couple of times
2016-09-20T15:53:59 < karlp> you want to turn the 96bit uid into a useful sized id?
2016-09-20T15:55:02 < dongs> ya
2016-09-20T15:55:49 < dongs> nothing cryptographically secure or anything
2016-09-20T15:56:15 < Thorn__> xor the 3 32-bit words together
2016-09-20T15:56:34 < dongs> heh thats prpobly not a bad idea
2016-09-20T15:56:52 < karlp> hrm, lots of fixed bits in those words,
2016-09-20T15:57:05 < karlp> I reckon you'd get collisions quickly just xoring them.
2016-09-20T15:57:12 < karlp> but hey, i'm not crypto hash master
2016-09-20T15:57:35 < dongs> yeah it doesnt have to be a secure hash but i'd rather not have 2 stm32's in same room collide
2016-09-20T15:57:51 < dongs> run through crc you mean take a crc of those 3 bytes?
2016-09-20T15:59:15 < Thorn__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_hashing
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2016-09-20T16:12:40 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/Qp0p1AQ.jpg
2016-09-20T16:12:45 < stvn> sup apple boys
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2016-09-20T16:13:49 < karlp> dongs: I just feed each 32bit word of the uid to the crc engine in turn,
2016-09-20T16:14:03 < karlp> gives me a 32bit number out at the end.
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2016-09-20T16:15:06 < karlp> I feed it through again and then take 48bits : this sort of shit https://paste.fedoraproject.org/431419/47437729/
2016-09-20T16:16:14 < dongs> heh okay yeah.
2016-09-20T16:16:37 < karlp> Thorn: cute, but a) for machines with 8 bit registers, and b) crc engine is onboard periph
2016-09-20T16:17:16 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/YicXUy_khgk?t=47m14s
2016-09-20T16:17:52 < karlp> crc_calculate is somethign dum like CRC_DR=balh
2016-09-20T16:18:07 < dongs> libopencm32
2016-09-20T16:19:55 < dongs> hehe
2016-09-20T16:20:02 < dongs> keil warns me that __NOP; is an expression with no effect
2016-09-20T16:20:03 < dongs> thanks!!!
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2016-09-20T16:20:34 < Thorn> maybe __NOP()
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2016-09-20T16:22:57 < dongs> seems
2016-09-20T16:27:18 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMUlCa2gtbE9xVkU/view?usp=drivesdk
2016-09-20T16:28:53 < stvn> ,
2016-09-20T16:30:30 < stvn> kakimir
2016-09-20T16:34:12 < dongs> is that.
2016-09-20T16:34:28 < dongs> BNC to ... some sharp copper
2016-09-20T16:35:10 < Thorn> looks like IV lines
2016-09-20T16:37:38 < karlp> is that your spot welder leads?
2016-09-20T16:38:21 < PeterM> DINSE to copper lectrodes
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2016-09-20T16:40:15 < dongs> kikemir please makre sure tyo have a periscope/deathcam rolling
2016-09-20T16:40:19 < dongs> when you first power that up
2016-09-20T16:40:42 < Laurenceb__> omg
2016-09-20T16:40:47 < Laurenceb__> Trans-finland
2016-09-20T16:42:17 < dongs> more like hackkitten
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2016-09-20T16:42:24 < dongs> or is that trans-sweden
2016-09-20T16:42:30 < dongs> or dutch?
2016-09-20T16:42:49 < dongs> bwahah
2016-09-20T16:42:58 < dongs> 3rd google result for hackkitten is amaze
2016-09-20T16:43:08 < stvn> what happen
2016-09-20T16:43:12 < dongs> or maybe 2nd one
2016-09-20T16:43:30 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/jBzKjW78.html
2016-09-20T16:43:37 < dongs> its even higher than MAYAPOSCH.COM
2016-09-20T16:43:45 < stvn> oh dear
2016-09-20T16:44:32 < stvn> some autism forum comes up for the 3rd result here
2016-09-20T16:44:45 < dongs> haha
2016-09-20T16:44:47 < dongs> thats #1 for me
2016-09-20T16:49:11 < stvn> is kaki going to electrocute himself
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2016-09-20T16:51:31 < Thorn> yes, he just doesn't know it yet
2016-09-20T16:57:53 < stvn> who can replace him?
2016-09-20T17:03:23 < Steffanx> You and i can
2016-09-20T17:04:56 < Steffanx> We can kakimir 24/7.
2016-09-20T17:05:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/oMPTBb3.gifv haha
2016-09-20T17:06:14 < Rob235> why did the one on the right go down? he looked ready for it
2016-09-20T17:06:50 < Steffanx> Better add some humans next time.
2016-09-20T17:08:06 < stvn> heh
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2016-09-20T17:51:40 < Rob235> nice, its cloudy today and probably a little wet from yesterday but in an hour and for the rest of the day is 0% chance of rain and low wind
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2016-09-20T18:11:13 < jadew> https://github.com/mandatoryprogrammer/NorthKoreaDNSLeak
2016-09-20T18:15:08 < jadew> https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/53mr05/north_korea_accidentally_leaks_dns_for_kp_only_28/
2016-09-20T18:16:02 < jadew> I guess the entire country's internet connection is having trouble now
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2016-09-20T19:07:43 < Steffanx> Someone is going to die in north korea.
2016-09-20T19:08:32 < Tectu> time to sent crt on vacation
2016-09-20T19:08:35 < Tectu> send*
2016-09-20T19:08:36 < Tectu> fuck that.
2016-09-20T19:09:50 < karlp> so, someone can see the domain names available in best korea, so what?
2016-09-20T19:10:21 < Tectu> Hi karlp 
2016-09-20T19:12:41 < Laurenceb__> http://cvl.cs.nott.ac.uk/resources/babyface/pages/team.html
2016-09-20T19:12:52 < Laurenceb__> bullshit level: over 9000
2016-09-20T19:14:58 < Laurenceb__> 'Behaviomedics', which applies affective computing and Social Signal Processing to the field of medicine
2016-09-20T19:15:23 < Laurenceb__> inb4 Cortex M6 with SSP extensions
2016-09-20T19:19:32 < PeterM> cortec m6?
2016-09-20T19:19:36 < PeterM> *cortex
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2016-09-20T19:19:48 < Laurenceb__>  /jk
2016-09-20T19:20:44 < karlp> helloo tectoo :)
2016-09-20T19:25:57 < Tectu> :)
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2016-09-20T19:32:13 < upgrdman> is tectu a name or something? like did he make it up, or is it some word in switzerlish?
2016-09-20T19:33:01 < kakimir> sounds anime
2016-09-20T19:34:13 < Steffanx> I know where it comes from, but im not sure he will like me when i tell you
2016-09-20T19:34:25 < Steffanx> Architectooore.
2016-09-20T19:36:45 < upgrdman> wuts dat
2016-09-20T19:36:47 < BrainDamage> and that's bad exactly what?
2016-09-20T19:36:50 < BrainDamage> why*
2016-09-20T19:36:58 < Steffanx> Architecture upgrdman ;)
2016-09-20T19:37:09 < upgrdman> k
2016-09-20T19:37:20 < Steffanx> Find the tectu in the word.
2016-09-20T19:37:28 < upgrdman> ya i see that
2016-09-20T19:37:49 < upgrdman> but wasnt sure if that word was just "architecture" in another language, or some porn fetish or what
2016-09-20T19:38:29 < Steffanx> What is bad BrainDamage?
2016-09-20T19:38:58 < upgrdman> " but im not sure he will like me when i tell you"
2016-09-20T19:39:00 < upgrdman> why
2016-09-20T19:39:10 < Steffanx> oh, because im not sure if he told me in some private message or not.
2016-09-20T19:39:15 < upgrdman> o
2016-09-20T19:40:05 < BrainDamage> it doesn't exactly sound like a military secret
2016-09-20T19:40:45 < Steffanx> sure but it's not nice to say something in public you talked about in private.
2016-09-20T19:57:45 < Steffanx> no clue. why englishman?
2016-09-20T19:58:01 < Steffanx> no why "englishman" :P
2016-09-20T19:58:33 < Steffanx> but it makes me think you are from england.
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2016-09-20T20:00:15 < Steffanx> im too lazy to scan entire canada using google maps, sorry.
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2016-09-20T20:13:02 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgkXbPNnHBo music?
2016-09-20T20:13:35 < Steffanx>  mainstream much.
2016-09-20T20:13:38 < kakimir> yes
2016-09-20T20:14:34 < kakimir> easy shit
2016-09-20T20:17:30 < kakimir> http://www.quectel.com/product/prodetail.aspx?id=14 anyone have eduncated guess how much this pulls when transmitting full power?
2016-09-20T20:17:51 < kakimir> because lipomoding shit that runs on batteries
2016-09-20T20:19:08 < kakimir> their datasheets are limited access
2016-09-20T20:20:54 < kakimir> but I guess the current draw is similar to similar devices from around 2010
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2016-09-20T20:28:24 < Rob235> someone write me a sd card data logger library so I can go test my semi-auto tuner
2016-09-20T20:29:47 < BrainDamage> laurenceb has a data logger, goodluckreadingthecodewithnospaces
2016-09-20T20:29:55 < Rob235> yea no thanks
2016-09-20T20:30:48 < Rob235> I needs me spaces
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2016-09-20T20:35:09 < Rob235> my semi-autotune is 280 lines of mess
2016-09-20T20:35:53 < BrainDamage> everytime i read autotune i think of the musical filter
2016-09-20T20:35:53 < Rob235> I'm just gonna have it serial out the data for now until I get sd card working
2016-09-20T20:35:59 < Rob235> yea everyone says that
2016-09-20T20:36:15 < Rob235> but my drone is a perfect singer, doesn't need that kind of autotune
2016-09-20T20:36:39 < Rob235> his dancing is what needs work
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2016-09-20T20:43:59 < Steffanx> Better add some dmx to log data.
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2016-09-20T20:53:16 < kakimir> how do you know this?
2016-09-20T20:54:29 < Rob235> ahh sd card for said reader/writer came in the mail, formatted and ready to go in the slot
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2016-09-20T21:40:18 < kakimir> does it pay the effort to try to get samples of everything needed for projects
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2016-09-20T22:08:58 < zyp> kakimir, samples of what?
2016-09-20T22:09:28 < zyp> a few dollars worth of parts?
2016-09-20T22:10:48 < kakimir> yea
2016-09-20T22:10:58 < zyp> how little worth is your time?
2016-09-20T22:11:14 < kakimir> more than ever
2016-09-20T22:11:16 < kakimir> but
2016-09-20T22:11:24 < Getty> This is disturbing: https://www.zoxs.de/data/pic/6756273_org.jpg
2016-09-20T22:11:27 < kakimir> see I'm not rich
2016-09-20T22:11:49 < kakimir> penny takes time to earn
2016-09-20T22:11:57 < kakimir> too
2016-09-20T22:12:07 < zyp> Getty, disturbing how?
2016-09-20T22:12:23 < zyp> I expected a Laurenceb class link or something
2016-09-20T22:12:25 < Getty> zyp: this display.... the relation between the display and the rest....
2016-09-20T22:12:41 < Getty> it is for sure no old people phone, cause they cant read it
2016-09-20T22:13:21 < Getty> ok i take all back.... THIS is disturbing: https://www.zoxs.de/data/pic/8469019_org.jpg
2016-09-20T22:14:30 < zyp> the 2000s called, they want their stupid cellphone designs back
2016-09-20T22:15:41 < Getty> i am browsing this page of used phone for deciding for some throw aways for holidays.... but now it got more interesting to find what the hell existed....
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2016-09-20T22:42:53 < kakimir> is there smarter way to decode sot23s than just google it with sot23?
2016-09-20T22:44:27 < kakimir> pretty much fruitless
2016-09-20T22:44:53 < kakimir> these are prob some chinese chips
2016-09-20T22:50:01 < Laurenceb__> saywhat
2016-09-20T22:50:05 < Laurenceb__> decode?!
2016-09-20T22:50:29 < kakimir> yes that device marging shiet
2016-09-20T22:50:56 < kakimir> they should add 1 character more to it
2016-09-20T22:52:25 < Laurenceb__> https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9678103&cid=52925391
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2016-09-20T22:59:43 < kakimir> I need voltage work cloves
2016-09-20T22:59:48 < kakimir> like for 1kV or so
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2016-09-20T22:59:59 < kakimir> long ones
2016-09-20T23:00:06 < kakimir> like half an meter
2016-09-20T23:00:38 < kakimir> so I can measure inside welding machine all the rails and shiet
2016-09-20T23:03:14 < kakimir> actually I think I will pull some wires out to have measurements
2016-09-20T23:03:40 < kakimir> some stuff would otherwise require blind measurements
2016-09-20T23:05:46 < kakimir> actually I should use my isolated analog boards to produce measurements if required
2016-09-20T23:05:55 < kakimir> and do stuff over bluetooth and wifi
2016-09-20T23:09:39 < Steffanx> blog out, kakimir.
2016-09-20T23:11:25 < kakimir> ?
2016-09-20T23:11:45 < Steffanx> Yes that too.
2016-09-20T23:12:21 < Ecco> Guys, what strategy do you adopt to detect/prevent stack overflows?
2016-09-20T23:13:09 < zyp> don't do infinite recursion
2016-09-20T23:13:17 < Ecco> Yeah :-)
2016-09-20T23:13:21 < Ecco> Ok let me rephrase
2016-09-20T23:13:28 < zyp> also don't use multiple threads
2016-09-20T23:13:31 < Ecco> In a memory-constrained environment
2016-09-20T23:13:48 < Ecco> how do you compute the size you allocate to the stack
2016-09-20T23:14:10 < Ecco> how do you handle the edge-case where there's not enough space for the stack (and it overflows the space you allocated)
2016-09-20T23:14:15 < zyp> are you doing multithreading?
2016-09-20T23:14:18 < Ecco> no
2016-09-20T23:14:42 < zyp> then you don't need to give a fuck, stack can grow to use all free memory
2016-09-20T23:15:00 < Ecco> I'm not sure I follow
2016-09-20T23:15:09 < Ecco> Let's imagine I have 96 Kb of RAM
2016-09-20T23:15:23 < Ecco> and need to use some memory for stuff other than stack
2016-09-20T23:15:29 < zyp> yeah, and lets say .data and .bss use 32K of that
2016-09-20T23:15:42 < zyp> then you've got 64K free for dynamic allocations
2016-09-20T23:15:50 < Ecco> yeah, and let's say I want 60K of heap because I may need dynamic allocations
2016-09-20T23:15:58 < Ecco> that leavs 4K of stack
2016-09-20T23:16:04 < zyp> if you have a heap, it grows from the bottom of that area, while the stack grows from the top
2016-09-20T23:16:13 < Ecco> well not necessarily
2016-09-20T23:16:13 < PaulFertser> Ecco: in newlib malloc checks that it doesn't alloc past the stack pointer.
2016-09-20T23:16:23 < Ecco> Interesting
2016-09-20T23:16:29 < Ecco> I mean, I agree that it can work
2016-09-20T23:16:30 < zyp> as long as heap + stack never grows into each other, you don't need to care
2016-09-20T23:16:53 < Ecco> My point is that the case where there's an issue can legitimately happen
2016-09-20T23:17:04 < zyp> PaulFertser, that's pretty rudimentary and doesn't prevent stack from growing into heap
2016-09-20T23:17:12 < zyp> just heap from growing into stack
2016-09-20T23:17:19 < Ecco> I just spent 2 hours this afternoon because my stack was overwriten by malloc's
2016-09-20T23:17:24 < Ecco> boy did I feel stupid
2016-09-20T23:17:39 < Ecco> so I'd like to know how other people are handling this
2016-09-20T23:17:45 < zyp> well, that's poor heap usage, not really a stack problem
2016-09-20T23:17:49 < PaulFertser> zyp: indeed
2016-09-20T23:18:13 < Ecco> zyp: I agree that most of the time it should be ok
2016-09-20T23:18:16 < zyp> if I had that problem, I'd set a fixed limit on heap that it can't grow past
2016-09-20T23:18:28 < Ecco> I did that
2016-09-20T23:18:34 < Ecco> problem is, the *stack* overflow the limit
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2016-09-20T23:18:45 < zyp> then you set the limit too low
2016-09-20T23:18:51 < Ecco> yeah :-)
2016-09-20T23:19:02 < Ecco> But I was wondering if you had any "methods" to handle this
2016-09-20T23:19:03 < zyp> what are you doing that's that close to the edge of available memory?
2016-09-20T23:19:12 < Ecco> Actually, nothing
2016-09-20T23:19:23 < Ecco> I just reseved too much heap area
2016-09-20T23:19:34 < Ecco> and therefore too little for the stack
2016-09-20T23:19:36 < zyp> reserved? you mean allocated?
2016-09-20T23:19:45 < Ecco> no, reserved
2016-09-20T23:19:52 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrQZL_oUAAA7ihu.jpg
2016-09-20T23:19:54 < kakimir> Steffanx: I didn't sound out any question you know..
2016-09-20T23:20:10 < zyp> Ecco, which libc do you use?
2016-09-20T23:20:13 < Ecco> none
2016-09-20T23:20:19 < Ecco> a custom one (very simplistic)
2016-09-20T23:20:25 < zyp> okay, which heap implementation do you use?
2016-09-20T23:20:25 < Steffanx> lol, i just tried to make no sense because you didnt really make that much sense either kakimir :P
2016-09-20T23:20:30 < Ecco> sqlite's
2016-09-20T23:20:42 < zyp> uh, okay
2016-09-20T23:20:47 < zyp> why does it need a reserved area?
2016-09-20T23:20:56 < Ecco> why wouldn't it?
2016-09-20T23:21:05 < zyp> because there's no reason to
2016-09-20T23:21:07 < Ecco> Because it doesn't allocate sequentially (which is terrible for fragmentation)
2016-09-20T23:21:55 < zyp> newlib's heap grows dynamically
2016-09-20T23:22:07 < Ecco> so it needs an upper bound, doesn't it?
2016-09-20T23:22:38 < zyp> nah, it'll just grow until it hits stack and everything crashes
2016-09-20T23:22:40 < Ecco> if it doesn't, then it most I guess  allocates sequentially, which leads to terrible fragmentation issues
2016-09-20T23:22:57 < Ecco> *then it must allocate
2016-09-20T23:23:16 < zyp> it does allocate sequentially
2016-09-20T23:23:19 < Ecco> ok
2016-09-20T23:23:26 < zyp> but this is a mcu, wtf are you doing that leads to fragmentation?
2016-09-20T23:23:35 < Ecco> that can be vastly inefficient depending on your allocation pattern
2016-09-20T23:23:46 < Ecco> Like I said, nothing yet :)
2016-09-20T23:23:52 < Ecco> Just looking around and learning
2016-09-20T23:24:12 < Ecco> but imagine malloc(100), malloc(1), malloc(100), malloc(1), etc… and you free all the 100's
2016-09-20T23:24:32 < Ecco> anyway :-)
2016-09-20T23:24:39 < Ecco> Thanks for the feedback
2016-09-20T23:24:41 < Ecco> I idea I had
2016-09-20T23:24:51 < Ecco> was to put the stack on the "left" edge of the SRAM
2016-09-20T23:24:57 < zyp> why wouldn't you free the 1s as well? :)
2016-09-20T23:24:58 < Ecco> so that it would eventually overflow into… nothing
2016-09-20T23:25:00 < Laurenceb__> I accidentally an idea
2016-09-20T23:29:21 < zyp> over the years, I've been putting a bunch of thought into heaps vs fixed size pools, and I'm kinda suspecting that heap fragmentation in practice doesn't really lead to more memory waste than what you'd get from uneven distribution of objects into fixed size pools
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2016-09-20T23:42:20 < jadew> well, unmanaged pools would behave in the same way as an unmanaged heap
2016-09-20T23:42:47 < jadew> if you have the CPU time, you can always defragment them
2016-09-20T23:42:55 < karlp> I'd say most people debating it are debating theoreticals without even doing _basic_ testing of the pattern of usage in their own application
2016-09-20T23:43:33 < zyp> true
2016-09-20T23:44:36 < zyp> we tried putting a ton of dedicated pools for each type of object in a project I worked on a couple of years ago
2016-09-20T23:44:56 < zyp> it turned into a nightmare managing how large each pool should be
2016-09-20T23:45:16 < jadew> doesn't sound like a bad idea tho
2016-09-20T23:45:28 < jadew> probably that's why you guys did it :)
2016-09-20T23:46:16 < zyp> and weird bugs that occured as a result of one pool filling up while other pools were empty
2016-09-20T23:47:00 < jadew> I think you can't have safe heaps without doing defragmentation and remapping
2016-09-20T23:47:04 < zyp> well, the point was to have deterministic memory usage, no heap that could grow into infinity
2016-09-20T23:47:30 < zyp> depends
2016-09-20T23:47:59 < jadew> yeah, if you have known object sizes, it might work by allocating fixed size slots
2016-09-20T23:48:10 < zyp> I've considered doing a type-tracking heap
2016-09-20T23:48:40 < zyp> i.e. only allowing X objects allocated per type
2016-09-20T23:48:51 < jadew> what do you do when you need one more?
2016-09-20T23:49:00 < zyp> one more what?
2016-09-20T23:49:06 < jadew> one more object of that type
2016-09-20T23:49:18 < zyp> increase the limit? :)
2016-09-20T23:49:22 < jadew> heh
2016-09-20T23:49:43 < zyp> the point would be to minimize the impact of a memory leak
2016-09-20T23:49:47 < qyx> isn't that something like the slab allocator?
2016-09-20T23:50:57 < zyp> if you leak objects of type X, but you set a limit of 20 or so, they can't grow to fill your entire heap, and you can log warnings when you approach the limit
2016-09-20T23:51:00 < jadew> slab alocation doesn't seem efficent on embeded systems
2016-09-20T23:51:15 < jadew> you might end up wasting quite a bit of memory
2016-09-20T23:51:36 < zyp> yeah, I don't mean slab allocation, just keeping track of how many objects you allocate of each type
2016-09-20T23:52:30 < jadew> oh well, as karlp said, it depends on what you're doing
2016-09-20T23:53:11 < Ecco> interesting
2016-09-20T23:53:26 < Ecco> and regarding stack growing too large
2016-09-20T23:53:41 < Ecco> do you guys use any special technique do detect when it happens?
2016-09-20T23:54:36 < Ecco> I've seen some rather dirty techniques being suggested
2016-09-20T23:54:53 < Ecco> such as "fill memory with known pattern, run your code, and see up to where the pattern got erased"
2016-09-20T23:54:56 < LeelooMinai> Ecco: Fill it with something like, say, 0x55, so when you look at the memory in the debugger, you see if it was overwritten (or heap was overwritten - same thing)
2016-09-20T23:54:57 < jadew> well, stacks don't normally grow out of hand
2016-09-20T23:55:11 < jadew> you kinda know where the stack will be at each point in the execution
2016-09-20T23:55:16 < Ecco> jadew: well, yeah, but I allocated 4K and somehow grew over that
2016-09-20T23:57:24 < LeelooMinai>  If it grew over 4K, you could put a debugger "write" brealpoint just below, to see what overwrote it.
2016-09-20T23:57:58 < LeelooMinai> Or above it - depending how you look at it:)
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2016-09-21T00:00:57 < Laurenceb__> I just breakpoint in places I know stack will be at max
2016-09-21T00:02:12 < LeelooMinai> Ecco: BTW, linker files usually can fill all the areas defined by the linker file with some pattern.
2016-09-21T00:02:33 < LeelooMinai> Ok, did not wrote that gramataically, but you get the point:p
2016-09-21T00:02:56 < LeelooMinai> Holy crap, I shall now write anything today - that's terrible:/
2016-09-21T00:03:10  * LeelooMinai falls asleep
2016-09-21T00:03:55 < zyp> I believe you could use the MPU to make a disallowed area below stack, so you'll get a fault when stack grows into it and tries accessing it
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2016-09-21T00:07:34 < zyp> that's probably a good approach especially for a multithreaded environment, since you have a bunch of stacks with stricter margins, and you can design it so that each thread doesn't need to access other thread's stacks anyway
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2016-09-21T00:16:17 < karlp> stackpainting is only useful saying that you went out of bounds after the fact through right?
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2016-09-21T00:20:53 < zyp> or to tell you how close you are
2016-09-21T00:23:56 < karlp> yeah, I guess.
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2016-09-21T01:12:08 < kakimir> how do I do stuff that when my regulator is not at all enought for short period loads
2016-09-21T01:12:44 < kakimir> let's say 1A regulator and there will be 5second load of 2amps every now and then
2016-09-21T01:12:56 < kakimir> how do I handle it with supercap?
2016-09-21T01:14:48 < BrainDamage> set a maximum voltage drop you're accepting and calculate cap and esr as conseguence
2016-09-21T01:15:21 < BrainDamage> careful that a gigantic cap at the output of a regular can make it unstabe
2016-09-21T01:15:41 < kakimir> quite significant voltage drop is allowed
2016-09-21T01:16:29 < kakimir> more than a volt
2016-09-21T01:16:50 < BrainDamage> Q=CV Q=I*t solve it for V, remember that the cap has only to supply what the psu doesn't give
2016-09-21T01:16:58 < BrainDamage> then on top of that, add ESR*I
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2016-09-21T01:17:29 < kakimir> I wonder if there could be circuit for slow charging and fast supply from supercap
2016-09-21T01:17:40 < kakimir> without diode forward voltage
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2016-09-21T01:17:57 < BrainDamage> it's called a buffer :p
2016-09-21T01:18:11 < kakimir> and prefferably not more than microampere range power consumption if at all
2016-09-21T01:18:18 < BrainDamage> and a pony
2016-09-21T01:18:50 < kakimir> many things are called a buffer
2016-09-21T01:19:28 < BrainDamage> mosfet voltage buffer, you want a pmos to be able to reach full Vdd
2016-09-21T01:19:57 < BrainDamage> regulate Vgs and you can regulate the current the mosfet will give
2016-09-21T01:22:00 < BrainDamage> https://www.twiddla.com/mv1xak
2016-09-21T01:22:22 < kakimir> other option would be to create new supply board with big enough regulator
2016-09-21T01:22:56 < kakimir> or to turn supply on for beefy regulator when power is not good
2016-09-21T01:24:12 < kakimir> beefy one can be cheap and power hungry one
2016-09-21T01:25:03 < kakimir> this one is for keeping the thing ready
2016-09-21T01:25:36 < kakimir> sounds better than supecap
2016-09-21T01:27:30 < kakimir> I wonder if the beefy one can be switched fast enought
2016-09-21T01:27:49 < kakimir> still needs some cap stuff after all..
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2016-09-21T01:28:24 < kakimir> the cheap one shouldn't leak from it's output when it's not powered
2016-09-21T01:28:44 < kakimir> this thing is like consuming total of 55microamps or so
2016-09-21T01:28:57 < kakimir> in standby
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2016-09-21T01:41:55 < kakimir> Your account does not have access to samples. Please remove the highlighted devices, or, purchase these parts in order to checkout. To learn more click here.
2016-09-21T01:42:48 < kakimir> thanks for letting me know after loging in for ordering
2016-09-21T01:44:32 < kakimir> hah they want me to pick corporation from a list and all that shiet
2016-09-21T01:44:38 < kakimir> now I remember
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2016-09-21T03:01:34 < karlp> bah, zyp/dongs ring buffer chats didn't fix my ring buffers after all.
2016-09-21T03:01:50 < karlp> zyp: rblog.index should always point to the _next_position right?
2016-09-21T03:02:11 < karlp> the rblog python side assumes that, if it already has a string in it, it constructs the range differently
2016-09-21T03:02:59 < karlp> but I've got rblog("shit blew up"); while(1); and usb_rblog.index=219, and entries[219] is my "shit blew up" line
2016-09-21T03:03:24 < karlp> so rblog gdb handler is printing just that. (breaks on the next line as it's empty)
2016-09-21T03:03:36 < karlp> rblog source seems to increment index before returning?
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2016-09-21T03:56:26 < dongs> https://tinhte.vn/threads/phau-thuat-adapter-chuyen-tu-lightning-sang-3-5-va-tai-nghe-lightning-cua-iphone-7-co-chip-dac.2643511/
2016-09-21T03:56:29 < dongs> fuck
2016-09-21T03:57:06 < dongs> so soon tehres gonna be 'external iphone DAC' shits with goldplated RCA connectors and ancient out of production TI chips and DIP opamps
2016-09-21T04:00:24 < ReadErr> DAC is the new buzzword
2016-09-21T04:00:27 < ReadErr> its on mobo boxes now
2016-09-21T04:00:40 < ReadErr> REPLACEABLE/UPGRADEABLE DAC
2016-09-21T04:04:01 < dongs> https://tinhte.vn/store/2016/09/3873792_mo_lightning_Tinhte_08.jpg who teh fuck at apple thought this was even remotely a good idea?
2016-09-21T04:04:23 < dongs> ok lets replace a right angle headphone plug/socket
2016-09-21T04:04:29 < dongs> thats maybe 10mm tall when plugged in
2016-09-21T04:04:36 < dongs> wiht this fucking 10cm dongle abortion
2016-09-21T04:05:00 < dongs> readstoner, as an avid apple faggot, I request your opinion
2016-09-21T04:05:17 < dongs> are you already upgraded to iphone7plus
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2016-09-21T04:08:58 < ReadErr> nah not at this time
2016-09-21T04:09:05 < ReadErr> headphone shit is retarded
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2016-09-21T04:12:17 < ReadErr> cant wait to start collecting AIR PODS off the ground
2016-09-21T04:20:05 < dongs> yes, i was wondring about that
2016-09-21T04:20:11 < dongs> all those Swipe or wathever CC readers
2016-09-21T04:20:19 < dongs> of people using itrash as cash registers at cheap hipster shops
2016-09-21T04:20:20 < dongs> now FUCKED
2016-09-21T04:20:45 < dongs> i guess they can upgrade to the NEW AND IMPROVED LIGHTING CC READER
2016-09-21T04:21:54 < dongs> (officially only sold by apple)
2016-09-21T04:24:03 < ReadErr> nah for 2$ or so you can buy the iDevice shit
2016-09-21T04:24:13 < ReadErr> ask Tekred
2016-09-21T04:24:15 < ReadErr> Tekrad
2016-09-21T04:29:30 < dongs> the MFI dongle thing?
2016-09-21T04:33:56 < ReadErr> yea
2016-09-21T04:48:34 < dongs> he's such a fucking faggot for making a 100ksps "scope" for iJerks
2016-09-21T04:48:46 < dongs> .. and selling it for $399
2016-09-21T04:53:22 < brianx> iDweebs will buy it too.
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2016-09-21T04:54:31 < brianx> I say more power to anyone who can exploit the iWaggon. 
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2016-09-21T05:05:06 < upgrdman> looks like an enjoyable fall http://i.imgur.com/HOXO31l.gif
2016-09-21T05:06:20 < brianx> that'll teach em to put pants on without holes.
2016-09-21T05:06:22 < upgrdman> nice spray paint can -> FAE    http://i.imgur.com/PiQKO6E.gifv
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2016-09-21T05:15:26 < aandrew> I like how they drop the lawnmower real fast when it lights up
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2016-09-21T05:28:36 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://gfycat.com/QuerulousGoodnaturedHydatidtapeworm
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2016-09-21T05:33:32 < PeterM> submacopter
2016-09-21T05:34:53 < upgrdman> R2COM2, greece military 
2016-09-21T05:35:08 < upgrdman> real
2016-09-21T05:35:13 < upgrdman> pilot ok
2016-09-21T05:35:16 < upgrdman> supposedly
2016-09-21T05:35:30 < upgrdman> https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryGfys/comments/53q96q/greek_apache_attack_helicopter_crashes_during/
2016-09-21T05:36:29 < upgrdman> good job russia  http://i.imgur.com/WwH6oLK.gifv
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2016-09-21T05:38:54 < stvn> lol
2016-09-21T05:42:08 < stvn> was just reading the backlog
2016-09-21T05:42:45 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1474420024179s.jpg damn tires falling off
2016-09-21T05:43:38 < stvn> jpg?
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2016-09-21T05:44:49 < stvn> i never knew peter was a channer
2016-09-21T05:45:36 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1474420024179.webm
2016-09-21T05:46:00 < PeterM> accidentally copied image location rather than link address
2016-09-21T05:46:54 < stvn> http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1474421955394.gif
2016-09-21T05:47:20 < dongs> that last link wow
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2016-09-21T05:50:44 < dongs> no
2016-09-21T05:50:50 < dongs> F7 DMA and shit is too different
2016-09-21T05:51:00 < dongs> and there's no stdperiph for F7
2016-09-21T05:51:02 < dongs> so you'll be using cube
2016-09-21T05:51:05 < dongs> so i donno
2016-09-21T05:51:10 < dongs> IF you are using cube
2016-09-21T05:51:13 < dongs> and just copypasting shit
2016-09-21T05:51:16 < dongs> theoretically it SHOULD be ok
2016-09-21T05:52:14 < dongs> no, cube = hal, no more stdperiph
2016-09-21T05:52:18 < dongs> so that means youll be using hal on F1 as well
2016-09-21T05:52:44 < dongs> not sure what that means but its pretty shit yeah
2016-09-21T05:53:45 < dongs> some ST intern
2016-09-21T05:55:08 < dongs> yes
2016-09-21T05:55:26 < dongs> ask emeb_mac 
2016-09-21T05:57:40 < dongs> well
2016-09-21T05:57:42 < dongs> you could i guess
2016-09-21T05:57:47 < dongs> but just use cube autogenerated shit?
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2016-09-21T05:58:48 < dongs> well yes
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2016-09-21T06:00:15 < emeb_mac> I haven't actually tried the ethernet stuff on F7 yet
2016-09-21T06:00:21 < emeb_mac> but HAL does include LWIP
2016-09-21T06:00:50 < dongs> not on F7
2016-09-21T06:01:09 < dongs> there's enough stdperiph code + F1 + lwip
2016-09-21T06:01:15 < emeb_mac> I've done LWIP on an F4 w/ StdPeriph
2016-09-21T06:01:40 < dongs> oh right, i think i have a F407VG board with that too
2016-09-21T06:01:42 < dongs> in addition to F107
2016-09-21T06:01:56 < dongs> some TV signal meter shit
2016-09-21T06:02:06 < dongs> with ~ethernet~
2016-09-21T06:02:15 < dongs> so you can telnet to it like its 1985
2016-09-21T06:02:42 < ReadErr> why cant any android stay powered for more than 2 days max IDLE
2016-09-21T06:03:17 < stvn> the jews right
2016-09-21T06:03:49 < stvn> i can leave my ifag 5s on for at least 5 days 
2016-09-21T06:03:55 < stvn> without charge
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2016-09-21T06:06:12 < stvn> just make1
2016-09-21T06:08:44 < emeb_mac> R2COM: sure - I had LWIP + ethernet running on an F427 in much less than that.
2016-09-21T06:09:21 < emeb_mac> R2COM: Ethernet doesn't need high clockspeed
2016-09-21T06:09:32 < emeb_mac> just flash & ram for code / state
2016-09-21T06:10:06 < emeb_mac> yes
2016-09-21T06:10:20 < emeb_mac> been out ~1year
2016-09-21T06:10:49 < emeb_mac> ya - only thing for sale on aliexpress is stuff that china has cloned
2016-09-21T06:11:00 < emeb_mac> that's why you see so much F103 stuff
2016-09-21T06:11:09 < emeb_mac> :)
2016-09-21T06:12:01 < emeb_mac> dunno - just know that almost all STM32 stuff on ali is F103
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2016-09-21T06:12:11 < emeb_mac> even though there are lots of cheaper STM32
2016-09-21T06:12:54 < emeb_mac> ya - could be. lotsa grey market
2016-09-21T06:13:46 < stvn> pretty sure if the f103 was cloned there'd be an autistic shitout
2016-09-21T06:14:54 < stvn> and st's website 'beWaRe of fAke StM32 chIPz bruh~~'
2016-09-21T06:15:30 < upgrdman> damn, this seems neat. debugging with the ability to step backwards... https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2016/09/undo-for-clion/
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2016-09-21T06:19:30 < stvn> well whattaya know
2016-09-21T06:20:56 < emeb_mac> R2COM: LWIP is entirely independent of stdperiph
2016-09-21T06:21:07 < emeb_mac> it's a TCP/IP stack
2016-09-21T06:21:20 < emeb_mac> the hard part is interfacing to the hardware.
2016-09-21T06:21:31 < emeb_mac> right
2016-09-21T06:21:44 < emeb_mac> I just used the canned stuff from ST that does that
2016-09-21T06:22:06 < emeb_mac> demo code from the F4 disco
2016-09-21T06:22:24 < emeb_mac> yes
2016-09-21T06:24:32 < aandrew> I got LWIP working with PPP. that was a bit of a chore since the docs aren't there
2016-09-21T06:26:08 < emeb_mac> R2COM: I don't see the value in redoing it. I'd just use their stuff
2016-09-21T06:26:24 < dongs>  < upgrdman> damn, this seems neat. debugging with the ability to step backwards...
2016-09-21T06:26:32 < dongs> upgrdman: what, rightclick, set program counter to line
2016-09-21T06:26:40 < dongs> standard feature in any modern IDE
2016-09-21T06:26:48 < dongs> i mean, i use that daily debugging on STM32
2016-09-21T06:27:30 < dongs> set IP to wahtever line, modify input variables in the way i wanna test stuff, and step and see results
2016-09-21T06:27:35 < dongs> i thought this was common knowledge
2016-09-21T06:27:37 < aandrew> huh? stepping backwards?
2016-09-21T06:27:55 < dongs> what the fuck is CLion and who the fuck cares about that newfag hipster development environment  tarsh
2016-09-21T06:27:59 < aandrew> isn't that just stepping back through the trace history?
2016-09-21T06:28:21 < dongs> So how does it work? Undo’s technology captures the necessary information required to replay the behaviour of Linux and Android software down to single instruction granularity. 
2016-09-21T06:28:26 < dongs> sounds like aids
2016-09-21T06:28:47 < upgrdman> dongs, re: setting ip, you mean setting a breakpoint?
2016-09-21T06:28:51 < dongs> no
2016-09-21T06:28:53 < upgrdman> because this is more than that
2016-09-21T06:28:56 < dongs> instruction pointer
2016-09-21T06:29:00 < dongs> like, program counter? wahtever
2016-09-21T06:29:03 < dongs> EIP
2016-09-21T06:29:05 < dongs> in x86
2016-09-21T06:29:21 < dongs> i don't see how "more than that" is useful for embedded development tho.
2016-09-21T06:29:21 < upgrdman> but that isnt the same a rewinding
2016-09-21T06:29:30 < dongs> it is for all practical purposes
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2016-09-21T06:29:54 < dongs> usually the reason I want to reset execution ofsome bit of code is because its behaving badly at certain inputs
2016-09-21T06:29:58 < upgrdman> ok, well i dont use clion so i wont be testing this undo fuckery, but it does sounds kinda neat
2016-09-21T06:30:00 < dongs> or I want ot make sure the output is clipped correctly etc
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2016-09-21T06:30:22 < aandrew> what're you talking about going backwards though
2016-09-21T06:30:36 < upgrdman> aandrew, stepping back in time
2016-09-21T06:30:38 < dongs> sounds like something java programmers need
2016-09-21T06:30:42 < upgrdman> the opposite of "step"
2016-09-21T06:30:44 < aandrew> I don't think I've ever had to use that kind of feature and could probably count the number of times something like that would be genuinely useful
2016-09-21T06:30:45 < dongs> CUZ THATS ALL THEY DO
2016-09-21T06:30:48 < dongs> IS STEP BACK IN TIME
2016-09-21T06:30:52 < dongs> zing
2016-09-21T06:30:54 < upgrdman> :)
2016-09-21T06:31:02 < aandrew> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs2O5p7UkAEGM3h.jpg:large
2016-09-21T06:31:34 < upgrdman> seems like it would just be a nice thing to have. like you hit an exception or hardfault or whatever, and want to rewind time in a more intuitive way than poking the stacktrace
2016-09-21T06:31:48 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/zgwugIw
2016-09-21T06:31:53 < dongs> upgrdman: i donno, it doesnt sound like it would wokr very well in embedded
2016-09-21T06:31:58 < dongs> and
2016-09-21T06:32:04 < dongs> sounds like same you'd get with an ITM trace??
2016-09-21T06:32:13 < dongs> if  you're logging ITM you can do exactly same shit
2016-09-21T06:32:23 < dongs> as you have instruction-level data.
2016-09-21T06:32:38 < upgrdman> ya im thing more software than embedded
2016-09-21T06:32:45 < aandrew> that's what I'm thinking but again... how often is that really useful 
2016-09-21T06:32:56 < upgrdman> most of my embedded bugs are timing or register poking related
2016-09-21T06:33:14 < aandrew> most of my kids are here for the same reason
2016-09-21T06:33:14 < stvn> goys
2016-09-21T06:34:41 < emeb_mac> R2COM: the F7 Nucleo board has ethernet on it and doesn't cost too much. I'd start there.
2016-09-21T06:35:18 < aandrew> R2COM: why not just tell us what it is you want to do in plan language
2016-09-21T06:35:31 < dongs> R2COM: start cubemx.exe
2016-09-21T06:35:39 < aandrew> R2COM: you write a driver that lets lwip send and receive frames from the hardware
2016-09-21T06:35:39 < dongs> R2COM: select whatever F7 discovery/development board
2016-09-21T06:35:55 < dongs> R2COM: check box for ethernet mac, lwip, freertos midleware
2016-09-21T06:35:58 < dongs> Generate code
2016-09-21T06:36:01 < aandrew> R2COM: with an stm32f7? boy you're so lost I can't even begin to help you find your way
2016-09-21T06:36:05 < dongs> load up project in SW4STM32
2016-09-21T06:36:07 < dongs> compile
2016-09-21T06:36:08 < dongs> done
2016-09-21T06:36:25 < emeb_mac> R2COM: look in the F7 example code dir - there's ethernet stuff there ready to compile
2016-09-21T06:38:08 < stvn> dongs, do you approve of SW4STM32
2016-09-21T06:38:14 < dongs> yes
2016-09-21T06:38:17 < dongs> for one click dickery
2016-09-21T06:43:47 < aandrew> R2COM: you missed the joke. I said if you're trying to use STM32 to fuck bitches and get money you're lost.
2016-09-21T06:45:07 < stvn> dongs, have you ever considered opening a shopfront
2016-09-21T06:45:10 < stvn> http://img.memecdn.com/oy-vey-look-at-this-goy-telling-me-to-give-him-change_o_5300833.jpg
2016-09-21T06:45:23 < dongs> 4.20 nice touch
2016-09-21T06:47:13 < dongs> so
2016-09-21T06:47:21 < dongs> i got a dude wanting to by my DPO for 2600$
2016-09-21T06:47:38 < dongs> dpo4034
2016-09-21T06:47:42 < emeb_mac> dongs: seems kinda low price
2016-09-21T06:47:46 < stvn> yeah...
2016-09-21T06:48:06 < dongs> well its a test equipment scamseller so
2016-09-21T06:48:46 < dongs> explain
2016-09-21T06:49:04 < dongs> wut.
2016-09-21T06:49:07 < dongs> i'm selling mine that works
2016-09-21T06:49:09 < dongs> not buying it.
2016-09-21T06:49:15 < dongs> and there's nothing fucked wiht it.
2016-09-21T06:49:31 < stvn> this guy so cray he bought a top of the line MSO 
2016-09-21T06:50:48 < stvn> *MDO
2016-09-21T06:51:07 < emeb_mac> R2COM: f7 has no stdperiph
2016-09-21T06:51:22 < emeb_mac> only HAL
2016-09-21T06:51:39 < dongs> you would have no choice
2016-09-21T06:51:48 < dongs> unless you wanna roll your own using stm32f7xx.h
2016-09-21T06:55:14 < emeb_mac> HAL is library of low-level and mid-level interfaces
2016-09-21T06:55:32 < emeb_mac> CubeMX generates code to init
2016-09-21T06:55:43 < emeb_mac> you have to write rest of code
2016-09-21T06:55:51 < dongs> nah?
2016-09-21T06:55:57 < dongs> cube generates almost everything
2016-09-21T06:55:59 < dongs> you dont even need to write
2016-09-21T06:56:03 < dongs> i think if you click lwip in that shit
2016-09-21T06:56:10 < dongs> you can just build and have a webserver
2016-09-21T06:56:13 < dongs> ready to IoT
2016-09-21T06:56:15 < dongs> out of hte box
2016-09-21T06:56:23 < emeb_mac> no thinking needed!
2016-09-21T06:56:26 < dongs> ya
2016-09-21T06:56:29 < emeb_mac> like taking a dump
2016-09-21T06:56:35 < dongs> literally
2016-09-21T06:56:42 < dongs> and similar to the quality of code HAL creates
2016-09-21T06:56:46 < emeb_mac> heh
2016-09-21T06:57:12 < dongs> emeb_mac: i wonder what made them change APB1ClockInit() stuff into those dumb __ALLCAPS_TURN_ON_GPIOA shits
2016-09-21T06:57:33 < dongs> theres plenty of shit to rage about hal but this one pisses me off the most
2016-09-21T06:57:37 < stvn> eating their own shit
2016-09-21T06:57:47 < dongs> because now to turn on 10 peripherals on APB1 instead of single line OR'ing them
2016-09-21T06:57:53 < dongs> you have 10 lines of shit
2016-09-21T06:58:11 < emeb_mac> dongs: yeah, but those macros compile down to very little code
2016-09-21T06:58:20 < emeb_mac> easy to step & repeat
2016-09-21T06:58:48 < dongs> i cant imagine them getting combined into RCC->APB1ENR = 0xD0NGS; regardless of how amazing gcc is
2016-09-21T06:58:57 < dongs> when the stdperiph call ends up being that.
2016-09-21T06:59:23 < dongs> how often do you need to re-step powering up peripherals
2016-09-21T06:59:29 < dongs> like ONE BY ONE
2016-09-21T06:59:37 < dongs> maybe if you were measuring their power consumption or somehting
2016-09-21T06:59:58 < dongs> and even then unconfigured power is probably a useless statistic
2016-09-21T07:01:09 < dongs> why teh shit are tek current probes so fucking expensive
2016-09-21T07:01:33 < stvn> coz they all are
2016-09-21T07:04:53 < stvn> i'm sure lecroy have something even more expensive
2016-09-21T07:15:34 < dongs> TPS54560 y/n?
2016-09-21T07:19:03 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/sanken/SZ-10N27VL/SZ-10N27VLTR-ND/4289147 best package
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2016-09-21T07:23:02 < stvn> that's unreal man
2016-09-21T07:24:13 < dongs> i should get some of those and put just the big pad on edge of pcb
2016-09-21T07:24:17 < dongs> and sell hipster coat hooks
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2016-09-21T07:24:43 < stvn> pink leds too
2016-09-21T07:31:42 < stvn> i need lot of pink led
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2016-09-21T07:42:56 < dongs> well
2016-09-21T07:42:59 < dongs> you make a fakepal
2016-09-21T07:43:04 < dongs> link it to a prepaid credit cardr
2016-09-21T07:43:08 < dongs> send it some money
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2016-09-21T07:43:17 < dongs> you're limited to amount of spending per month
2016-09-21T07:43:22 < dongs> and if the account gets locked youre kinda fucked 
2016-09-21T07:43:27 < dongs> otherwise.. it works
2016-09-21T07:43:33 < dongs> no
2016-09-21T07:43:43 < dongs> you thought wrong
2016-09-21T07:44:14 < dongs> no, the API still passes info
2016-09-21T07:44:23 < dongs> when site uses checkout wiht gaypal or someshit
2016-09-21T07:45:26 < dongs> all
2016-09-21T07:45:29 < dongs> yes
2016-09-21T07:45:42 < dongs> teh same info as you'd get if you paid with a personal account
2016-09-21T07:46:10 < dongs> just make a fakepal dude
2016-09-21T07:46:16 < dongs> especially if both your accounts are in USA
2016-09-21T07:46:28 < dongs> its no problem cuz y ou dont have to pay (a lot) of fees to send to "friends and family"
2016-09-21T07:46:33 < dongs> well then just make a new one
2016-09-21T07:46:35 < dongs> dont keep a balance in it
2016-09-21T07:46:41 < dongs> transfer only amount you need to pay
2016-09-21T07:46:55 < dongs> i haev a fake usa pal since like 2006 that I use to pay for USPS shipping and newegg purchases
2016-09-21T07:47:12 < dongs> cuz they are racist and require USA paypal
2016-09-21T07:47:16 < dongs> receive what?
2016-09-21T07:47:21 < dongs> to fakepal or real one?
2016-09-21T07:47:40 < dongs> up to you
2016-09-21T07:48:03 < PeterM> R2COM is selling ass for heroin
2016-09-21T07:48:08 < dongs> i think the biggest thing I did was around $1.2k laptop purchase on bestbuy using fakepal
2016-09-21T07:48:12 < dongs> then use buttcoin
2016-09-21T07:48:24 < PeterM> or cash.
2016-09-21T07:48:27 < dongs> buttcoin the true anonymouse thing
2016-09-21T07:53:14 < stvn> heroin is fucken great
2016-09-21T07:53:38 < dongs> R2COM: API/IPN still passes it through
2016-09-21T07:54:05 < stvn> are we still dreaming of anonymity?
2016-09-21T07:54:28 < dongs> for fucks sake just make a fucking fake paypal account wit whatever name and attach a prepaid visa card to it for verification
2016-09-21T07:54:32 < dongs> takes 5 minutes
2016-09-21T07:54:33 < dongs> use fake name + fake address
2016-09-21T07:54:45 < dongs> please send me $1 to timecop@gmail.com right now for providing you with this invaluable life pro tip
2016-09-21T07:56:12 < dongs> receive works too
2016-09-21T07:56:15 < dongs> just receive in fakepal
2016-09-21T07:56:20 < dongs> and take it out elsewehre
2016-09-21T07:56:33 < dongs> paypal it to your real one
2016-09-21T07:56:35 < dongs> hoyl shit dude
2016-09-21T07:56:39 < dongs> do you have like zero life skills
2016-09-21T07:56:45 < dongs> and if both are usa based
2016-09-21T07:56:47 < dongs> theres like zero fees
2016-09-21T07:56:50 < dongs> or some super low fee
2016-09-21T07:56:54 < dongs> so its convenient
2016-09-21T07:57:07 < dongs> i have to pay like 3% shit when sending from JP to USA
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2016-09-21T07:58:03 < dongs> they'll most likeyl block the fake one if you fuck up
2016-09-21T07:58:07 < dongs> i mean if youre gonna send 10k monthly probly yes
2016-09-21T07:58:18 < dongs> but if its under 1k or something and you dont pay for child porn with the fake one then youll be ok
2016-09-21T07:58:25 < dongs> like i said mine's been around since 2006 or so and zero isseus
2016-09-21T07:58:45 < dongs> look into money laundering
2016-09-21T08:01:57 < dongs> maybe
2016-09-21T08:02:19 < dongs> then creeps like you would pay for cp
2016-09-21T08:02:21 < dongs> anonymously
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2016-09-21T08:04:25 < dongs> tehy pay cash or buttcoin
2016-09-21T08:04:45 < dongs> use prepaid cc
2016-09-21T08:04:46 < dongs> bought with cash
2016-09-21T08:04:50 < dongs> done
2016-09-21T08:05:39 < PeterM> R2COM doesn't want the folks at bad dragon to know his real name when he buys massive dragon dong
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2016-09-21T08:06:47 < PeterM> yeah, because itys goin up your butt.
2016-09-21T08:08:47 < PeterM> sorry? im not the one who wants to hide their name when buying dragon dongs
2016-09-21T08:09:23 < PeterM> sure, keep telling yourself that
2016-09-21T08:11:43 < stvn> RMS stays anonymous by eating out of the sewer
2016-09-21T08:13:45 < PeterM> stvn, RMS stays anonymous by being so purtid nothing wants to be near enough to himto identify him
2016-09-21T08:15:18 < dongs> i guess
2016-09-21T08:15:20 < dongs> crt just paid
2016-09-21T08:15:23 < dongs> that filthy whore
2016-09-21T08:15:50 < PeterM> R2COM aliupexpress dont use paypal, so just buy prepaid cc and use that
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2016-09-21T08:16:48 < dongs> i dont think h ever bought anything from shitexpress
2016-09-21T08:16:55 < dongs> he buys from digikey only
2016-09-21T08:17:13 < dongs> me too actually. the only time I used my alibaba/express account is like
2016-09-21T08:17:27 < dongs> chinagirl occasionally asks me to do some scam where she makes me buy a bunch of shit and not pay for it
2016-09-21T08:17:38 < dongs> so I just have to click some shit to show that some biz happened
2016-09-21T08:18:12 < dongs> Readstoner is the pro aliexpress buyer
2016-09-21T08:18:21 < dongs> he buys all his "one-off" prototypes there
2016-09-21T08:18:26 < dongs> but since MOQ is always 1k+pcs
2016-09-21T08:18:30 < dongs> he ends up with all this extra stock
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2016-09-21T08:20:32 < dongs> i do that every fucking day
2016-09-21T08:20:51 < dongs> yeah
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2016-09-21T08:21:30 < dongs> well, one-offs are more expensive, yes
2016-09-21T08:21:44 < dongs> if you want cheap china is the only way
2016-09-21T08:22:22 < dongs> if I dont need next day pcb even I get junk from china occasioanly
2016-09-21T08:22:24 < dongs> or shit like jigs etc.
2016-09-21T08:23:50 < dongs> R2COM: think minimum around $100 for protos from here
2016-09-21T08:23:56 < dongs> vs around $25 from china
2016-09-21T08:23:57 < dongs> so..
2016-09-21T08:24:05 < dongs> for 2L etc.
2016-09-21T08:24:20 < dongs> 4L is way more, around 300 min
2016-09-21T08:24:25 < dongs> yeah china 4L is <$100
2016-09-21T08:24:35 < dongs> 4L proto is generally not worth it
2016-09-21T08:24:39 < dongs> productoin price is almost same
2016-09-21T08:24:42 < dongs> and you get m^2 of boards
2016-09-21T08:24:51 < dongs> i mean local shit here.
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2016-09-21T08:25:21 < stvn> meter squared
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2016-09-21T08:25:41 < dongs> its not exactly that , but its wahtever single FR4 sheet is
2016-09-21T08:25:53 < dongs> minus loss/etc
2016-09-21T08:27:02 < PeterM> pcbcart arent the cheapest but quality is OK
2016-09-21T08:27:15 < PeterM> price is reasonable
2016-09-21T08:27:17 < dongs> looks ok
2016-09-21T08:27:20 < dongs> china would be close
2016-09-21T08:27:27 < dongs> you could try OSP instead of ENIG
2016-09-21T08:27:30 < dongs> might be cheaper
2016-09-21T08:27:41 < dongs> same reflow-friendly flat surface
2016-09-21T08:28:07 < dongs> R2COM: batterypal had to rush order some 4L protos last week with 24k turn
2016-09-21T08:28:09 < dongs> er 24h
2016-09-21T08:28:14 < dongs> was around 500
2016-09-21T08:28:14 < dongs> lol
2016-09-21T08:28:26 < PeterM> R2COM, ya
2016-09-21T08:28:28 < dongs> for like  4 30x60mm boards
2016-09-21T08:29:03 < PeterM> OSP = bare copper with some thin protective stuff that wears off in a few days
2016-09-21T08:29:06 < dongs> R2COM: when I get innovative prototypes, they get soldered while they're in my car on the way from delivery office
2016-09-21T08:29:13 < dongs> thats how fast they get soldered
2016-09-21T08:29:16 < dongs> so OSP is no problem
2016-09-21T08:30:09 < PeterM> R2COM, http://quickturnpcb.co.kr/ are better than most cheap china fab,  but ofcourse mroe pricey
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2016-09-21T08:30:28 < dongs> i gotta try their $100 4L special someday
2016-09-21T08:30:42 < dongs> i tried to quote englishman's 4L shit there and it was way more expensive than my local fab
2016-09-21T08:30:50 < PeterM> more pricey but not stupid
2016-09-21T08:30:50 < dongs> but the special thing mgiht be ok for a throwaway proto
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2016-09-21T08:32:11 < ReadErr> thats who i use
2016-09-21T08:32:22 < ReadErr> mr han is most excellent
2016-09-21T08:32:30 < dongs> han couldnt pricematch my shit
2016-09-21T08:32:40 < dongs> including shipping, not even close
2016-09-21T08:32:43 < ReadErr> well once you work with him
2016-09-21T08:32:47 < ReadErr> he hooks it up
2016-09-21T08:32:52 < dongs> oh, all those one-off protos right
2016-09-21T08:33:00 < dongs> totalyl worth it for him to hook you up
2016-09-21T08:33:14 < ReadErr> when I ordered the VESC boards
2016-09-21T08:33:19 < ReadErr> he gave like 3 extra panels
2016-09-21T08:33:29 < ReadErr> and ENIG'd it for the same price
2016-09-21T08:33:32 < dongs> whats a 3 extra off a 1K order
2016-09-21T08:33:43 < ReadErr> no this was the proto special
2016-09-21T08:34:02 < ReadErr> his turn time is great too
2016-09-21T08:34:08 < PeterM> i use http://quickturnpcb.co.kr/ if i need it quick, but china if i want cheap/qty
2016-09-21T08:34:08 < ReadErr> 7 days to delivery typically
2016-09-21T08:34:10 < ReadErr> sometimes less
2016-09-21T08:34:26 < PeterM> yeah
2016-09-21T08:34:28 < dongs> chinagirl turn is not bad also
2016-09-21T08:34:33 < dongs> 3 days
2016-09-21T08:34:36 < dongs> north of course
2016-09-21T08:34:37 < PeterM> the ginger korea
2016-09-21T08:35:09 < ReadErr> plus sexy LPI
2016-09-21T08:35:16 < stvn> We are a PCB supplier in South Korea. We supply 2 layer boards to 24 layer boards. 
2016-09-21T08:35:20 < stvn> shattered.
2016-09-21T08:36:26 < stvn> i have friend from south korea
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2016-09-21T08:38:52 < stvn> when i get factory i will design white power pcb service
2016-09-21T08:42:32 < stvn> ah, maybe i'll move there
2016-09-21T08:43:01 < stvn> thanks for the tip
2016-09-21T08:44:02 < dongs> on those 3 pin DC jacks
2016-09-21T08:44:10 < dongs> if I dont carea bout the switch part
2016-09-21T08:44:12 < dongs> can I just put both to ground?
2016-09-21T08:44:19 < dongs> and just leave center plus
2016-09-21T08:47:53 < stvn> just as long as they dont 'close'
2016-09-21T08:48:11 < stvn> and short out +/-
2016-09-21T08:48:15 < dongs> oh hm
2016-09-21T08:48:21 < dongs> fuck, they do close dont they
2016-09-21T08:48:31 < dongs> that tab thing touches the center pin
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2016-09-21T08:59:43 < dongs> ugh  richtek part leadtime = 18 weeks 
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2016-09-21T09:25:03 < stvn> crt enterprises starts next week
2016-09-21T09:27:32 < stvn> I sell you the finest japanese tactile switch for your DJ controller
2016-09-21T09:31:04 < dongs> doesnt your employer have a noncompete agreemeent
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2016-09-21T09:31:45 < stvn> apparently
2016-09-21T09:31:51 < stvn> pity they never made me sign anything
2016-09-21T09:32:10 < stvn> one of my coworkers is taking the guy to court
2016-09-21T09:32:31 < stvn> cause he tried to make him sign one after he quit, while withholding unpaid wages
2016-09-21T09:38:00 < stvn> imo the technical schools which train technicians should have spent more time teaching these nuggets how to solder and rework board than teaching ancient modules on how to do motorola hc68c908 asm
2016-09-21T09:39:29 < stvn> i shit you not, when i did tech school they taught z80 and 68hc908 asm... why
2016-09-21T09:40:12 < dongs> i think i was taught mips asm
2016-09-21T09:40:17 < dongs> on some emulator
2016-09-21T09:40:19 < dongs> running on a vax
2016-09-21T09:40:34 < Thorn__> I've been wondering if repair techs generally know any electronics
2016-09-21T09:40:45 < stvn> i know more than qualified engineers
2016-09-21T09:40:49 < stvn> of sorts
2016-09-21T09:40:58 < stvn> but i am also a qualified engineer now
2016-09-21T09:41:39 < stvn> i'm sure i've told the story of the graduate trying to switch a load using a saturated transistor with no base resistor
2016-09-21T09:41:57 < dongs> that was before stackoverflow
2016-09-21T09:42:55 < ReadErr> great night of BLM protesting
2016-09-21T09:42:58 < ReadErr> trucks looted
2016-09-21T09:43:00 < ReadErr> highways blocked
2016-09-21T09:43:02 < ReadErr> fires set
2016-09-21T09:43:07 < ReadErr> "black power" chants
2016-09-21T09:43:28 < ReadErr> excellent way to try and get respect
2016-09-21T09:43:37 < stvn> any dindus shot?
2016-09-21T09:45:25 < ReadErr> oh shit
2016-09-21T09:45:30 < ReadErr> black chick fight bout to pop off
2016-09-21T09:45:40 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jk9mYyNmEQ
2016-09-21T09:46:08 < dongs> haha ferguson
2016-09-21T09:48:38 < ReadErr> she look pretty good
2016-09-21T09:48:40 < ReadErr> id hit it
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2016-09-21T09:57:46 < stvn> hit it with a 70 megaton thermonuclear warhead?
2016-09-21T10:02:23 < Thorn__> stvn: how many would be able to find a failed transistor in a discrete audio amp for example? is it a common skill?
2016-09-21T10:04:02 < stvn> those kind of amps are generally worked on by those who understand them
2016-09-21T10:04:40 < stvn> most people could find a shorted transistor..... but a simple diode check in many cases means nothing
2016-09-21T10:06:00 < stvn> the tech I know who works on big class AB amps will strip the amp of all output devices before he touches it
2016-09-21T10:06:43 < stvn> leakage check all caps with a proper leakage checker
2016-09-21T10:07:16 < stvn> and so forth... it's easy to 'fix' a power amp which will come back a week later with the same fault
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2016-09-21T10:13:35 < ReadErr> ahah they are about to start fighting each other
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2016-09-21T10:15:37 < Thorn__> as in transistor failures caused by bad operating point?
2016-09-21T10:16:45 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Microcontroller/Quality-Controller-China/
2016-09-21T10:16:52 < dongs> found crt trying to recruit chinagirl
2016-09-21T10:16:54 < dongs> but no
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2016-09-21T11:10:13 < jpa-> does anyone know if gcc has M4 DSP intrinsics header somewhere? i guess i could write my own if it doesn't.. and no, i won't switch to keil even though it is the first result on google :P
2016-09-21T11:11:37 < ReadErr> I need a sensor for xray still
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2016-09-21T11:44:24 < dongs> jpa-: stdperiph has the mathlib stuff , no?
2016-09-21T11:44:54 < zyp> karlp, if it already has a string in it, it has already wrapped once, if not it's on the first round through and everything after the index should be empty
2016-09-21T11:51:37 < dongs> SDIO 1bit, need to conect CS or not?
2016-09-21T11:53:35 < dongs> looks no
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2016-09-21T12:00:25 < jpa-> dongs: yeah but i don't want dsplib, i want just easy access to the dsp instructions (qadd8 and similar)
2016-09-21T12:00:39 < dongs> oic yea then no :)
2016-09-21T12:01:10 < jpa-> https://www.keil.com/pack/doc/cmsis/Core/html/group__intrinsic___s_i_m_d__gr.html   keil has these :P
2016-09-21T12:01:23 < dongs> nmo
2016-09-21T12:01:26 < dongs> CMSIS-CORE has that
2016-09-21T12:01:43 < jpa-> oh
2016-09-21T12:01:45 < dongs> https://github.com/ARM-software/CMSIS/tree/master/CMSIS/Include
2016-09-21T12:01:45 < dongs> here
2016-09-21T12:02:27 < dongs> https://github.com/ARM-software/CMSIS/blob/62af2d1f68242e73015dfe348ec2a94aefc0faa4/CMSIS/Include/cmsis_gcc.h
2016-09-21T12:02:30 < jpa-> great
2016-09-21T12:02:30 < dongs> to be more specific
2016-09-21T12:02:32 < jpa-> thanks :)
2016-09-21T12:02:33 < dongs> well, or direct commit whatever
2016-09-21T12:04:55 < jpa-> https://github.com/ARM-software/CMSIS/blob/master/CMSIS/Include/arm_math.h   it even has versions that i can use to test on PC
2016-09-21T12:05:22 < dongs> isnt cmsis amazing?
2016-09-21T12:05:27 < jpa-> it is
2016-09-21T12:05:52 < dongs> cmsis 5 will be great because it will finally b e c ompileable by that new clang-based arm compiler abortion
2016-09-21T12:06:02 < jpa-> :D
2016-09-21T12:06:12 < dongs> that manages to produce code worse than armcc AND gcc
2016-09-21T12:06:25 < dongs> its like 10 steps backwards in history of embedded compilers
2016-09-21T12:06:42 < dongs> was it clang? i dont remember
2016-09-21T12:06:46 < dongs> whats the other gcc replacement
2016-09-21T12:07:09 < dongs> oh LLVM
2016-09-21T12:07:11 < dongs> sorry that.
2016-09-21T12:11:40 < qyx> thats the same
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2016-09-21T12:24:04 < Thorn__> https://pp.vk.me/c637720/v637720905/c411/l_q2FxjSYUY.jpg
2016-09-21T12:27:27 < PaulFertser> qyx: clang is a C and C++ frontend to LLVM. If dongs is discussing cortex-m codegeneration issue that would be an LLVM backend problem, not clang.
2016-09-21T12:28:23 < Thorn__> s/discussing/trolling/g
2016-09-21T12:35:47 < jpa-> it could be just a design issue! maybe clear layer separation between clang and llvm is the problem, and to achieve good results we need a huge ball of kludge like gcc :)
2016-09-21T12:37:42 < karlp> zyp: it had _not_ wrapped around.  if I just dumped the rblog structure, all entries past it were empty, but index was pointing to the last written, not the next blank.
2016-09-21T12:38:32 < dongs> dongsbuffer
2016-09-21T12:38:49 < zyp> karlp, oh
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2016-09-21T12:48:10 < dongs> New York (CNN)The suspect in Saturday's bombings in New York and New Jersey declared that "the sounds of bombs will be heard in the streets" and praised "Brother Osama Bin Laden" in a journal found on him when he was arrested, authorities said.
2016-09-21T12:48:14 < dongs> RIP
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2016-09-21T12:51:16 < zyp> karlp, it's probably inlined and interleaved with the crashing code
2016-09-21T12:51:49 < zyp> marking it volatile might help
2016-09-21T12:52:02 < zyp> I guess you could just make the entire rblog object volatile
2016-09-21T12:53:15 < dongs> or jsut use SEGGER SYSTEMVIEW
2016-09-21T12:53:32 < dongs> it has obsoleted rblog
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2016-09-21T12:55:01 < stvn> sup produinos
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2016-09-21T13:21:05 < kakimir> is micromelf and 0603 footprint compatible?
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2016-09-21T13:21:11 < kakimir> *Are
2016-09-21T13:21:16 < kakimir> by design
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2016-09-21T13:26:29 < stvn> prolly
2016-09-21T13:26:46 < stvn> never had to make a board which uses melfs
2016-09-21T13:26:58 < dongs> god damn fuck upgrdman
2016-09-21T13:27:04 < stvn> as far as i remember melf just uses square lansd
2016-09-21T13:27:06 < stvn> lands
2016-09-21T13:27:12 < dongs> now all i see is fucking CLion ads
2016-09-21T13:27:40 < stvn> be a good goy and click
2016-09-21T13:27:54 < stvn> did u like my email mate
2016-09-21T13:28:46 < kakimir> I need to use 0603 because extra special stuff
2016-09-21T13:28:51 < kakimir> low leakage
2016-09-21T13:28:53 < stvn> oh hey kakimir you didn't die
2016-09-21T13:29:03 < kakimir> die to.. what?
2016-09-21T13:29:10 < stvn> eht
2016-09-21T13:29:36 < kakimir> aa.. the wiener grill
2016-09-21T13:29:39 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-21T13:29:48 < stvn> dick rejuvenator
2016-09-21T13:29:58 < stvn> pretty innovation
2016-09-21T13:30:04 < kakimir> No it's yet to be tested
2016-09-21T13:30:09 < kakimir> trying to order boards today
2016-09-21T13:30:14 < stvn> aint that a fat
2016-09-21T13:30:17 < stvn> fact
2016-09-21T13:30:25 < stvn> im pretty stone
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2016-09-21T13:32:30 < stvn> memes
2016-09-21T13:33:00 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/uNikbgB.png
2016-09-21T13:33:07 < kakimir> I wonder if 0.5µA leakage can lift regulator outbut above set value or should the mlcc leakage even it out
2016-09-21T13:33:29 < stvn> what
2016-09-21T13:33:42 < kakimir> output powers comparator during operation but for startup cpmparator is connected thru button to input voltage rail
2016-09-21T13:34:06 < stvn> crapplication notes datashits
2016-09-21T13:34:37 < stvn> hell... test it
2016-09-21T13:35:28 < stvn> document your resluts
2016-09-21T13:35:39 < kakimir> or just tvs the output?
2016-09-21T13:35:46 < stvn> why
2016-09-21T13:35:49 < kakimir> zener
2016-09-21T13:36:18 < stvn> you can't just willy nilly add components mate
2016-09-21T13:37:03 < stvn> the chief engineer may administer lashes
2016-09-21T13:37:13 < kakimir> footpads can be be placed
2016-09-21T13:37:21 < kakimir> no-one will notice
2016-09-21T13:37:30 < stvn> yeah it wont cost you any extra too
2016-09-21T13:37:57 < stvn> the chinese will take the copper which is dissolved and make pro audio cables out ofit
2016-09-21T13:38:23 < stvn> thats what they do with their heavily fragmented ground planes mate
2016-09-21T13:41:32 < kakimir> okay capacitor will leak 1.5microamps times 3
2016-09-21T13:41:53 < kakimir> outbut capacitors will leak 4.5microamps
2016-09-21T13:42:27 < kakimir> and feedback resistor divider will leak too but it's not always present
2016-09-21T13:42:34 < stvn> .,
2016-09-21T13:42:40 < kakimir> but what it means is I can chill
2016-09-21T13:42:42 < stvn> swamp the dog
2016-09-21T13:43:28 < stvn> wtf are you trying to make again?
2016-09-21T13:43:42 < kakimir> micropower shit
2016-09-21T13:44:01 < stvn> a point of load power converter?
2016-09-21T13:44:32 < kakimir> lipoconversion for low power crapplications
2016-09-21T13:45:04 < kakimir> consuming like 50microamps this thing
2016-09-21T13:45:09 < stvn> yah
2016-09-21T13:45:25 < stvn> placing some GPS units on your sheep?
2016-09-21T13:45:40 < kakimir> I should
2016-09-21T13:45:42 < kakimir> but no
2016-09-21T13:46:03 < stvn> you should
2016-09-21T13:46:09 < kakimir> also I don't have sheep
2016-09-21T13:46:18 < stvn> you need to make them self detonate when some pirate loads them onto a truck
2016-09-21T13:46:43 < kakimir> sheep theft
2016-09-21T13:46:53 < stvn> good kickstarter mate
2016-09-21T13:47:47 < kakimir> I know it would equal a shitpile of kickstart moneys
2016-09-21T13:48:30 < stvn> yeah you can get heaps of kikestarting shekels
2016-09-21T13:48:53 < stvn> enough to bankroll some kind of self sustaining sex service involving donkeys
2016-09-21T13:49:28 < kakimir> :d
2016-09-21T13:49:36 < stvn> i should be charging people for this intelligence
2016-09-21T13:49:56 < kakimir> you tell 1) how to make money 2) what to use it to
2016-09-21T13:49:58 < stvn> dongs is kickstarting his usb charger
2016-09-21T13:50:09 < stvn> making money is easy
2016-09-21T13:50:14 < dongs> ya
2016-09-21T13:50:26 < stvn> dongs can tell you more than i can
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2016-09-21T13:56:34 < karlp> zyp: yeah, I guess, the line after was just while(1); I just wasns't expecting it to inline across the function boundary of the rblog.log() call...
2016-09-21T13:56:44 < karlp> I expected the log call to finish before my while(1) started
2016-09-21T13:59:06 < Laurenceb__> https://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbaetgjuZ41qzaxefo1_500.jpg
2016-09-21T14:01:26 < zyp> karlp, maybe it got optimized out
2016-09-21T14:01:40 < zyp> «this increment won't have any effect»
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2016-09-21T14:08:03 < karlp> I guess. wasn't expecting it to optimize to that level, outside a function boundary, but only on _that_ call of the function...
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2016-09-21T14:49:31 < Laurenceb__> https://www.nida.edu.au/events/nida-presents/killallmen
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2016-09-21T15:08:15 < karlp> .. supported by a mans memorial fund...
2016-09-21T15:09:39 < jadew> #KillAllMen needs an equal response
2016-09-21T15:09:51 < jadew> #RapeAllWomen
2016-09-21T15:10:06 < jadew> that should get fminists started
2016-09-21T15:10:45 < jadew> it's amazing the ammount of hate those people have
2016-09-21T15:11:08 < jadew> *amount
2016-09-21T15:11:33 < Steffanx> Triggered ^^^
2016-09-21T15:11:43 < stvn> tec2
2016-09-21T15:12:21 < jadew> it's hard not to trigger them, even just for spite
2016-09-21T15:12:39 < Steffanx> Es Tee Vee En.
2016-09-21T15:14:11 < stvn> sup steffanx
2016-09-21T15:16:23 < Laurenceb__> recursive triggering
2016-09-21T15:16:41 < jadew> http://qz.com/775325/men-caused-most-of-our-environmental-problems-and-now-we-need-to-coddle-them-to-save-ourselves/
2016-09-21T15:16:54 < jadew> wtf is going on in the world
2016-09-21T15:17:09 < jadew> have all the reatards suddenly went public?
2016-09-21T15:17:11 < Laurenceb__> maybe a man oven to extract the body fat is needed
2016-09-21T15:17:23 < Laurenceb__> then we have environmentally friendly fuels
2016-09-21T15:17:23 < stvn> my business partners are having the autism bong
2016-09-21T15:17:24 < jadew> *gone
2016-09-21T15:17:46 < Thorn> jadew: you may find this interesting https://www.youtube.com/user/MorgueToeTag
2016-09-21T15:18:45 < Laurenceb__> autistic relay chat
2016-09-21T15:20:30 < jadew> what I wonder is how many people actually hold those extreme/stupid views
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2016-09-21T15:21:13 < jadew> it could just be the media blowing it out of proportion
2016-09-21T15:22:36 < jadew> in fact, I don't know any woman that is in tune with what the current "feminism" movement seems to be
2016-09-21T15:22:41 < stvn> ARC protocol
2016-09-21T15:22:47 < stvn> innovated by laurenceb
2016-09-21T15:22:54 < stvn> memes included
2016-09-21T15:22:59 < jadew> what's ARC protocol?
2016-09-21T15:23:06 < stvn> autistic relay chat mate
2016-09-21T15:23:10 < jadew> ah
2016-09-21T15:23:11 < jadew> hehe
2016-09-21T15:23:16 < stvn> yeah mate
2016-09-21T15:23:28 < Laurenceb__> an ensemble of autists
2016-09-21T15:23:43 < BrainDamage> microcanonical ensemble
2016-09-21T15:25:18 < jadew> is hate speech legal?
2016-09-21T15:26:22 < BrainDamage> depends where you are and the type
2016-09-21T15:26:35 < jadew> well, I'm thinking about this #KillAllMen thing
2016-09-21T15:26:49 < jadew> all silliness aside, it's a very hateful hash tag
2016-09-21T15:26:58 < jadew> sort of instigational
2016-09-21T15:27:08 < karlp> help hel pyoure being oppressed
2016-09-21T15:27:18 < Laurenceb__> you might be a crime
2016-09-21T15:27:19 < karlp> it's a show by a performing arts group, let it go
2016-09-21T15:27:20 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxY5fDn5sjQ
2016-09-21T15:29:24 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYqAOwcvLYs
2016-09-21T15:29:34 < jadew> karlp, I can't find any reference
2016-09-21T15:30:17 < karlp> didyou read the website laurence even linked or didyou just TRIGGERED
2016-09-21T15:30:35 < jadew> the one from NIDA?
2016-09-21T15:32:02 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p42Nf_M_Rso
2016-09-21T15:32:15 < Laurenceb__> every capeshit movie ever
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2016-09-21T15:37:25 < jadew> love the tile: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/392831/modern-feminism-appalling-stupidity-backed-hysterical-rage-david-french
2016-09-21T15:37:36 < stvn> jews ya lose
2016-09-21T15:41:59 < jadew> http://www.npr.org/2011/06/27/137342682/the-end-of-gender
2016-09-21T15:42:06 < jadew> Laurenceb__, what did you do to me...
2016-09-21T15:42:22 < jadew> now I'm stuck on this topic
2016-09-21T15:42:23 < karlp> I think the word you're looking for is "triggered"
2016-09-21T15:42:28 < Laurenceb__> dude you jut got triggered
2016-09-21T15:42:29 < jadew> haha karlp
2016-09-21T15:42:39 < Laurenceb__> you got triggered by people who also get triggered
2016-09-21T15:42:46 < Laurenceb__> resulting in recursive triggering
2016-09-21T15:43:48 < dongs> https://redd.it/53rq2l haha
2016-09-21T15:45:08 < stvn> lol
2016-09-21T15:45:26 < jadew> lol indeed
2016-09-21T15:45:37 < jadew> lenovo sucks anyway
2016-09-21T15:47:16 < stvn> you wouldn't ejaculate inside your own sister
2016-09-21T15:47:21 < stvn> so why would you run linux
2016-09-21T15:47:44 < jadew> some people would
2016-09-21T15:48:14 < jadew> I know of a few cases
2016-09-21T15:48:30 < Thorn> why is there another pair in dmx512?
2016-09-21T15:48:39 < stvn> cause its not used
2016-09-21T15:48:39 < Steffanx> Im an apache helicopter \o/
2016-09-21T15:48:51 < stvn> hi stfnx
2016-09-21T15:49:08 < Steffanx> Hey stevie.
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2016-09-21T15:49:41 < stvn> how cool is keil mdk arm
2016-09-21T15:52:25 < Laurenceb__> lol stvn
2016-09-21T15:52:44 < Laurenceb__> you wouldn't ejaculate inside your own sister, so why would you run linux
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2016-09-21T15:52:50 < Laurenceb__> copypasta folder
2016-09-21T15:53:26 < dongs> pretty sure the type of people running lunix would acutally do that
2016-09-21T15:53:41 < Laurenceb__> I run linux but don't have a sister
2016-09-21T15:53:43 < stvn> ^
2016-09-21T15:54:00 < Laurenceb__> you can find my cousin on chaturbate
2016-09-21T15:54:05 < jadew> Laurenceb__, good thing you don't, eh?
2016-09-21T15:54:07 < Laurenceb__> ur probably fappin to her right now
2016-09-21T15:54:26 < jadew> I had a cousin I fell inlove with when I was a kid
2016-09-21T15:54:30 < Thorn> can you install xlr5 onto standard utp?
2016-09-21T15:54:38 < jadew> I only saw her once tho
2016-09-21T15:54:39 < Laurenceb__> inb4 nobody goes to chaturbate ever again
2016-09-21T15:57:10 < stvn> does she do c or python
2016-09-21T15:57:11 < jadew> holly fuck, I didn't know about chaturbate
2016-09-21T15:57:15 < jadew> is that thing free?
2016-09-21T15:57:25 < dongs> free as in aids
2016-09-21T15:58:57 < jadew> doesn't seem to be free, but everyone is already naked...
2016-09-21T15:58:59 < stvn> i like this guy
2016-09-21T15:59:05 < jadew> how does that work?
2016-09-21T15:59:43 < jadew> Laurenceb__?
2016-09-21T16:00:44 < stvn> fucking djm mixers
2016-09-21T16:03:28 < stvn> got the cunt for 1k, flipping it for 1k5 tommorow
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2016-09-21T16:15:49 < PaulFertser> "Oddly, if you want to find ethics, community and kindness, the internet’s newest wanking palace has all three qualities in spades." http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/features/report/7007/chaturbate-is-one-of-the-friendliest-places-on-the-web/
2016-09-21T16:24:26 < jadew> then I guess I'll hang around there more often
2016-09-21T16:35:25 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: was it you that said that you need index and thumb for fingerprint for EU citizens? it's actually just index fingers
2016-09-21T16:36:34 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: I think I was reading about some DE-specific legislation.
2016-09-21T16:44:49 < karlp> hrm
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2016-09-21T17:01:21 < Thorn> 1 hr remaining, bid or not http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Agilent-34401A-Multimeter/302073455017
2016-09-21T17:05:41 < stvn> pleaed to meet you, hope you guessed my name
2016-09-21T17:10:08 < Thorn> are you arcadecontrols or what
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2016-09-21T17:51:29 < Laurenceb> http://sonichu.com/w/images/thumb/8/88/Cwc_Toys_r_us_9-2016_1.jpg/450px-Cwc_Toys_r_us_9-2016_1.jpg
2016-09-21T17:52:26 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb: You have one of those cameras with a timer? :p
2016-09-21T17:53:06 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/vX9XIzd
2016-09-21T17:53:29 < LeelooMinai> Sasquatch?
2016-09-21T17:53:43 < Laurenceb> Chisquatch
2016-09-21T17:54:20 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb: I don't know now... you stalked this person with a camera or what?...
2016-09-21T17:54:30 < Laurenceb> someone did
2016-09-21T17:54:42 < LeelooMinai> Meh
2016-09-21T17:54:52 < karlp> what the fuck is that even a picture of?
2016-09-21T17:55:00 < Laurenceb> http://sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Chris_ToysRUs_-_credit_to_4-Cent_Barbage.jpg
2016-09-21T17:55:05 < LeelooMinai> Dude with a note on the shorts
2016-09-21T17:55:10 < Laurenceb> ur mum
2016-09-21T17:56:02 < LeelooMinai> Well, has nice legs at least I guess:)
2016-09-21T17:56:21 < karlp> it's nto even not funny, it's just pointless
2016-09-21T17:56:28 < karlp> "here's a bad picture of someone in a shop"
2016-09-21T17:56:39 < LeelooMinai> Double negative!
2016-09-21T17:56:51 < karlp> no.
2016-09-21T17:57:14 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, they still sell xbox 360?
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2016-09-21T18:04:46 < Thorn> what does it mean if a spectrum analyzer only has YIG preselector for frequencies > 2GHz? will there be spurious tones at lower freqs?
2016-09-21T18:12:10 < PeterM> it means eactly what is says
2016-09-21T18:12:56 < dongs> YIG more like NIG
2016-09-21T18:14:37 < Thorn> I mean from a user's perspective
2016-09-21T18:19:38 < Thorn> sold for 295 pounds(!)
2016-09-21T18:19:53 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YIG_sphere
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2016-09-21T18:20:08 < Rob235> hmm, siri is now on os x
2016-09-21T18:21:16 < BrainDamage> it means that the first mixer is bypassed when the frequency is less than that
2016-09-21T18:23:59 < stvn> the old mixer
2016-09-21T18:24:08 < stvn> and the bandpass
2016-09-21T18:24:53 < stvn> i got some dirty fuck testing all the equipment i repaired tonight
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2016-09-21T18:31:33 < stvn> wheres Steffanx 
2016-09-21T18:31:39 < stvn> and tec2
2016-09-21T18:31:45 < Thorn> this usb SA has spurious tones https://youtu.be/GDcuRTOCj_s?t=17m14s
2016-09-21T18:31:59 < Thorn> and there was an old HP that even had a real/fake peak function
2016-09-21T18:32:20 < Thorn> and he says tis is because they don't have YIG filters
2016-09-21T18:32:24 < stvn> that fuckin terrorist
2016-09-21T18:32:53 < stvn> he has to stop cutting people's throats to score that gear
2016-09-21T18:32:57 < Thorn> this is why I'm asking
2016-09-21T18:33:11 < stvn> i got a ds1052e mate
2016-09-21T18:34:09 < stvn> its off head mate
2016-09-21T18:34:51  * LeelooMinai poders an Australian playing chess with someone - that must be frustrating
2016-09-21T18:35:17 < stvn> don't worry about australians playing chess now
2016-09-21T18:35:53 < stvn> i want to see if i can tune my oscilloscope into the latest football game
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2016-09-21T18:36:44 < LeelooMinai> Are you in the middle of a desert?
2016-09-21T18:37:08 < stvn> nup
2016-09-21T18:37:19 < stvn> melbourne victoria mate
2016-09-21T18:37:39 < stvn>  i miss the days when you used to troll thebear in ##stonertronics mate
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2016-09-21T18:38:27 < LeelooMinai> Right, TheBear is from that weird place too...
2016-09-21T18:39:19 < stvn> hahaha yah
2016-09-21T18:39:37 < stvn> imagine if you combined dong and thebear
2016-09-21T18:39:50 < stvn> you'd like that
2016-09-21T18:40:01 < LeelooMinai> I just checked what is on the other side of the globe as to my place - landed in Indian ocean near Australia:)
2016-09-21T18:40:13 < stvn> you could catch a boat hey
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2016-09-21T18:42:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/yJ49r1Q.gifv
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2016-09-21T18:43:07 < stvn> the old kata
2016-09-21T18:43:27 < stvn> sensei is disappoint
2016-09-21T18:44:00 < stvn> is that your grading dongs ?
2016-09-21T18:48:01 < stvn> dongs, you there?
2016-09-21T18:49:11 < dongs> i dont respond to questions I dont understand
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2016-09-21T18:49:48 < stvn> i was going to ask you, have you heard of the japanese tool brand 'engineer'
2016-09-21T18:49:54 < dongs> yes
2016-09-21T18:50:02 < stvn> what do you think?
2016-09-21T18:50:04 < dongs> my  tweezers/nips/some other misc shit is by them
2016-09-21T18:50:05 < dongs> great
2016-09-21T18:50:14 < stvn> i have nk-16
2016-09-21T18:50:22 < stvn> very nice looking thing
2016-09-21T18:50:33 < stvn> i wanna buy more of their gear
2016-09-21T18:50:38 < dongs> mine are NZ-10
2016-09-21T18:50:42 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-21T18:50:52 < dongs> yours looks a bit bigger scale
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2016-09-21T18:50:57 < stvn> i might like it more than lindstorm
2016-09-21T18:52:39 < dongs> i just buy that shit cuz i can walk into local place and get them
2016-09-21T18:52:41  * LeelooMinai ponders the gif pasted by the dongs in silence
2016-09-21T18:55:01 < dongs> nobody asked your opinion, mr. hackkitten
2016-09-21T18:55:38 < LeelooMinai> dongs: I am not hackitten - you mixed the nicks or something:p
2016-09-21T18:56:41 < LeelooMinai> Besides, what's wrong with hackitten - she was ok... Much nicer person than you are for sure:)
2016-09-21T18:58:16 < dongs> fsmc hmm
2016-09-21T18:58:20 < dongs> i think so
2016-09-21T18:58:39 < dongs> wait no
2016-09-21T18:58:43 < dongs> you NEED F4?
2016-09-21T18:58:52 < dongs> cuz F103VC has fsmc
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2016-09-21T18:59:03 < LeelooMinai> Those are ancient though
2016-09-21T18:59:05 < dongs> rite
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2016-09-21T19:00:02 < dongs> only 100+ pin has FSMC in any series i guess
2016-09-21T19:00:46 < dongs> box of 401RE is $3... 405 has a bit more peripherals so i guess maybe aroudn 4-something
2016-09-21T19:01:05 < dongs> but.. most common is 407VG so that one might cost ~about same
2016-09-21T19:01:31 < dongs> englishman: that au pcba auction?
2016-09-21T19:01:37 < dongs> who went there
2016-09-21T19:01:38 < dongs> peterm?
2016-09-21T19:02:24 < dongs> i know. i only listed it for price comparison
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2016-09-21T19:02:27 < dongs> 401 doenst have it.
2016-09-21T19:02:53 < dongs> y
2016-09-21T19:06:17 < dongs> right
2016-09-21T19:06:23 < dongs> what are you FSMC'ing
2016-09-21T19:06:28 < dongs> that innovative LCD?
2016-09-21T19:06:44 < dongs> i just finished schema for RA8875 + 5" 800x400
2016-09-21T19:06:48 < dongs> er 480 or wahtever
2016-09-21T19:07:00 < dongs> with 407vg
2016-09-21T19:07:16 < dongs> there's a bunch of other trash on it
2016-09-21T19:07:17 < dongs> yeah no
2016-09-21T19:07:24 < dongs> thats SPI
2016-09-21T19:07:31 < dongs> and made with EAGLE
2016-09-21T19:08:46 < dongs> err, cuz it s work shit for an actual product?
2016-09-21T19:08:50 < dongs> and not a one-off dicky
2016-09-21T19:09:14 < dongs> none
2016-09-21T19:09:23 < dongs> unrelated to hobby trash
2016-09-21T19:09:42 < stvn> arduwat
2016-09-21T19:10:46 < dongs> this shithead opened paypal dispute an hour ago
2016-09-21T19:10:55 < stvn> why
2016-09-21T19:11:09 < dongs> 1) from france 2) ordered wiht airmail 3) didn't receive 20 days later
2016-09-21T19:11:19 < stvn> fuck those nigges
2016-09-21T19:11:38 < dongs> opening dispute just gets him banned and info posted on my shop page
2016-09-21T19:12:24 < stvn> yeah fuckin smash em
2016-09-21T19:12:31 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/SMW9sty.png
2016-09-21T19:12:34 < stvn> too many dramafags
2016-09-21T19:13:34 < Laurenceb> https://res.cloudinary.com/the-news-hub/image/upload/q_60,f_auto/v1433842113/yw1kdbjvd2yo2dkv8k5a.jpg
2016-09-21T19:14:15 < stvn> yeah i got some cuntstomers
2016-09-21T19:14:30 < dongs> i'm a very good consumer for spare parts and i have good influence in the RCs world here in France first time i try ure website u think its like that u get clients??? fuck u, and i hope all bad for u, bitch
2016-09-21T19:14:35 < dongs> oh my
2016-09-21T19:15:04 < dongs> that will REALLY make me reconsider
2016-09-21T19:15:29 < stvn> yeah of course
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2016-09-21T19:19:03 < dongs> upgrdman: f u
2016-09-21T19:19:15 < dongs> upgrdman: every fucking ad on the internet is a CLion ad now
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2016-09-21T19:19:24 < upgrdman> lol
2016-09-21T19:19:36 < upgrdman> are japs to dumb to use adblock?
2016-09-21T19:20:04 < dongs> yes
2016-09-21T19:20:13 < dongs> also, wtf this TPS54560 reference schematic is retarded as fuck
2016-09-21T19:20:20 < dongs> they used all these random nonstandard R values
2016-09-21T19:20:28 < dongs> making me recalculate it using fucking normal values
2016-09-21T19:21:30 < dongs> yes
2016-09-21T19:24:49 < Laurenceb> reads like stm32 lcd driver features
2016-09-21T19:28:12 < dongs> hmm i should just use webench to calcl this crap
2016-09-21T19:28:49 < stvn> power
2016-09-21T19:29:03 < stvn> just a buck yea?
2016-09-21T19:29:25 < Steffanx> Stvn https://youtu.be/G6xr6VKg7sE
2016-09-21T19:30:12 < stvn> Steffanx, i'm listening to django reinhardt
2016-09-21T19:30:55 < stvn> this tps54560 schematic may be accouting for a wide input voltage range
2016-09-21T19:31:09 < Steffanx> Nah the title is the answer to your question from an hour or so ago
2016-09-21T19:31:17 < upgrdman> R2COM, its this https://www.adafruit.com/product/1590
2016-09-21T19:31:22 < stvn> questions ey
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2016-09-21T19:31:26 < stvn> where is tectu
2016-09-21T19:31:27 < stvn> and
2016-09-21T19:31:29 < stvn> what is up
2016-09-21T19:31:45 < stvn> 'tha sky'
2016-09-21T19:31:56 < dongs> holy shit
2016-09-21T19:32:01 < dongs> webench even shows layout
2016-09-21T19:32:02 < Steffanx> That too.
2016-09-21T19:32:09 < stvn> yeah 
2016-09-21T19:32:11 < dongs> and "thermal simulation"
2016-09-21T19:32:13 < dongs> thats new.
2016-09-21T19:32:15 < stvn> indee
2016-09-21T19:32:16 < stvn> d
2016-09-21T19:32:38 < stvn> still struggling to find any engineers who would need that
2016-09-21T19:32:57 < stvn> you know who couldn't calc some losses
2016-09-21T19:33:10 < stvn> maybe its for all those graduates 
2016-09-21T19:33:42 < stvn> "why is my boost inductor catching fire"
2016-09-21T19:34:50 < stvn> powdered iron, 1MHz shouldn't be a problem!
2016-09-21T19:35:09 < stvn> some chinky dinky
2016-09-21T19:35:38 < stvn> expect it to be in your next bluray player
2016-09-21T19:35:40 < PaulFertser> Nice tricks there: https://befinitiv.wordpress.com/wifibroadcast-analog-like-transmission-of-live-video-data/
2016-09-21T19:36:02 < dongs> old
2016-09-21T19:36:08 < Laurenceb> could be useful for nutty hax
2016-09-21T19:37:56 < dongs> hm
2016-09-21T19:38:08 < dongs> webench also shows some dumb numbers for resistors
2016-09-21T19:38:32 < stvn> what is vin
2016-09-21T19:39:42 < dongs> i  expectd to be able eto click R1/R2 stuff and change shit in FB/freuqency selection
2016-09-21T19:39:47 < dongs> but this dumb flash app is making it pretty complex
2016-09-21T19:41:08 < stvn> ya its shit
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2016-09-21T19:42:18 < dongs> > $24.73
2016-09-21T19:42:21 < dongs> thefuck
2016-09-21T19:42:33 < stvn> for that ic>
2016-09-21T19:42:49 < stvn> ???
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2016-09-21T19:44:06 < dongs> http://e2e.ti.com/support/development_tools/webench_design_center/f/235/p/43292/183825
2016-09-21T19:45:36 < stvn> right thats their bom
2016-09-21T19:45:39 < jadew> Thorn, I have one of those analyzers with the ID function, but I never managed to get those spurious tones
2016-09-21T19:46:44 < dongs> weeb bench
2016-09-21T19:46:48 < stvn> like seriously this all looks like a pile of fucking horse shit to me
2016-09-21T19:47:18 < stvn> to stabilise a dc-dc
2016-09-21T19:48:25 < dongs> all i wanted to do was choose my own R1/R2 for FB divider
2016-09-21T19:48:27 < stvn> especially a buck
2016-09-21T19:48:29 < dongs> using common fucking parts
2016-09-21T19:48:39 < dongs> so i thought instead of fucking around with the formula in datasheet
2016-09-21T19:48:39 < stvn> yeah just changes the gain, big deal
2016-09-21T19:48:41 < dongs> I could clikc on shit
2016-09-21T19:48:44 < dongs> but NO
2016-09-21T19:48:51 < stvn> good luck yeah
2016-09-21T19:49:09 < stvn> with those shitty tools
2016-09-21T19:49:11 < dongs> R2COM: i am too lazy to claculate R1/R2
2016-09-21T19:50:12 < stvn> why the hell do i need a tool to calculate a reference voltage divider ?!?!??!
2016-09-21T19:50:51 < stvn> or the transfer function and gain/phase plots of a buck converter
2016-09-21T19:51:10 < jadew> why do it by hand? :)
2016-09-21T19:51:16 < stvn> matlab
2016-09-21T19:51:37 < stvn> you do it by hand to pass the EE exam
2016-09-21T19:51:42 < jadew> I think the value comes from the fact that they also pick components
2016-09-21T19:52:04 < jadew> and you can see how the performance changes if you replace them with differnet ones
2016-09-21T19:52:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/lEuRPp6.png i expect to be able to doubleclick on that fucking dumb 11.5k shit and replace it with a 10K
2016-09-21T19:52:17 < dongs> and have it recalculate the otehr one
2016-09-21T19:52:22 < dongs> otherwise there's no point ot make the fucking tool
2016-09-21T19:52:25 < dongs> if I cant change parts in it
2016-09-21T19:52:35 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/559682b1794d4e219d1e8c1f4a98c164b364769492273a4b60261b93a4505596.jpg
2016-09-21T19:52:45 < dongs> installing?
2016-09-21T19:52:47 < dongs> its a web app
2016-09-21T19:52:59 < stvn> haha
2016-09-21T19:53:03 < dongs> im just using webench shit
2016-09-21T19:53:07 < dongs> install version is proaqbly
2016-09-21T19:53:08 < dongs> flash.exe
2016-09-21T19:53:12 < dongs> + webench.swf
2016-09-21T19:53:52 < stvn> yaeh
2016-09-21T19:53:55 < stvn> niceone.
2016-09-21T19:54:02 < jadew> heh
2016-09-21T19:54:10 < jadew> at least you got a nice server
2016-09-21T19:55:37 < dongs> its in teh png i pasted
2016-09-21T19:55:40 < dongs> TPS54560
2016-09-21T19:55:43 < stvn> https://www.amazon.com/Switching-Power-Supply-Design-3rd/dp/0071482725
2016-09-21T19:55:51 < stvn> gotta go gas myself
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2016-09-21T19:56:50 < dongs> in switcherbro?
2016-09-21T19:57:00 < dongs> 7V-28V in, 5A out
2016-09-21T19:57:02 < dongs> should show up
2016-09-21T19:59:14 < dongs> haha submitted to the simulation server. typical runtime is 5-7 minutes
2016-09-21T20:00:48 < dongs> no its not
2016-09-21T20:00:51 < dongs> its 54560
2016-09-21T20:01:01 < dongs>  < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/lEuRPp6.png 
2016-09-21T20:01:09 < dongs> thats some old blogpost bitching aobut shit not working
2016-09-21T20:03:50 < dongs> start power weeb-bench
2016-09-21T20:03:52 < dongs> vin: 7
2016-09-21T20:04:01 < dongs> vin max: 28 (orw ahtever < 60)
2016-09-21T20:04:05 < dongs> vout = 5V
2016-09-21T20:04:08 < dongs> Iout = 5A
2016-09-21T20:04:13 < dongs> it will be like 2nd part from the list.
2016-09-21T20:05:04 < dongs> well its an ancient part it should be in switcherbro too
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2016-09-21T20:08:57 < dongs> the problem is they're retarded
2016-09-21T20:09:03 < dongs> i ahve 10K Rs in stock
2016-09-21T20:09:05 < dongs> not 11.5K
2016-09-21T20:09:12 < dongs> i want to change 11.5 to 10K
2016-09-21T20:09:14 < dongs> and have it reclaculatre R1
2016-09-21T20:09:24 < dongs> for sure i already spent more time arguing about this
2016-09-21T20:09:28 < dongs> than searching datasheet
2016-09-21T20:09:30 < dongs> for the formula
2016-09-21T20:09:37 < dongs> and vrefor whatever
2016-09-21T20:10:09 < dongs> also shit value
2016-09-21T20:10:23 < dongs> right, the point is
2016-09-21T20:10:27 < dongs> why make a fucking app
2016-09-21T20:10:29 < dongs> if I cant do basic shit in it
2016-09-21T20:11:52 < dongs> bro this isnt about calculating some obscure compensation network trash
2016-09-21T20:12:00 < dongs> this is jsut vref/R1/R2 assburerging
2016-09-21T20:12:16 < dongs> englishman: wat about 47K on bottom
2016-09-21T20:12:24 < dongs> or just paste wolfram alpha link
2016-09-21T20:12:28 < dongs> so I'll stop asking
2016-09-21T20:12:31 < dongs> dont have those either
2016-09-21T20:15:19 < dongs> < englishman> 52.5
2016-09-21T20:15:22 < dongs> yeah he told me that
2016-09-21T20:15:24 < dongs> i dont have those either
2016-09-21T20:15:29 < dongs> someone should write a node.js app
2016-09-21T20:15:35 < dongs> where I can enter a list of all resistors i have
2016-09-21T20:15:40 < dongs> and Vref 
2016-09-21T20:15:46 < dongs> and it will give me a sane combination
2016-09-21T20:15:57 < dongs> maybe some restrictions ilke some switchers wanna have bottom r > 100k etc
2016-09-21T20:16:13 < dongs> haha
2016-09-21T20:16:22 < dongs> there's a 3A LDO in this design right after the vout
2016-09-21T20:16:35 < dongs> to 4V
2016-09-21T20:17:04 < dongs> l than 1V
2016-09-21T20:19:14 < dongs> first time seeing this
2016-09-21T20:19:24 < dongs> dont even  know what im lookin at
2016-09-21T20:19:45 < dongs> the only cubes I know about is timecube
2016-09-21T20:20:23 < dongs> i donno really i didnt search through the reels, i remembered some common values I had
2016-09-21T20:20:37 < dongs> i'm sure i have others
2016-09-21T20:21:26 < dongs> ooh, maybe 9.09 wil lgive some decent top R
2016-09-21T20:22:09 < dongs> yeah i got 47k
2016-09-21T20:22:11 < dongs> now we're talkin
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2016-09-21T20:25:30 < Laurenceb> a slave
2016-09-21T20:30:58 < dongs> i only read theregister
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2016-09-21T20:55:20 < jadew> that's cheap
2016-09-21T21:00:57 < BrainDamage> vco tuning range
2016-09-21T21:00:57 < jadew> me too, the IC's datasheet says 30 MHz
2016-09-21T21:01:39 < jadew> might have something to do with the output network
2016-09-21T21:01:48 < jadew> because the LO is external
2016-09-21T21:03:22 < jadew> that's the LO
2016-09-21T21:03:38 < jadew> it has a quadrature modulator in there
2016-09-21T21:03:43 < jadew> and probably two DACs too
2016-09-21T21:03:47 < jadew> for the IQ signal
2016-09-21T21:04:46 < jadew> R2COM, no
2016-09-21T21:04:57 < jadew> ah
2016-09-21T21:05:00 < jadew> that one it is
2016-09-21T21:05:00 < jadew> yeah
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2016-09-21T21:06:04 < jadew> R2COM the TSG4G1 is indeed just an ADF4351
2016-09-21T21:06:23 < jadew> it doesn't
2016-09-21T21:06:34 < jadew> I think the rest of the stuff is for their other products
2016-09-21T21:07:24 < BrainDamage> maybe there's a mixer and a dac
2016-09-21T21:07:29 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-21T21:07:50 < jadew> although, I don't see how it would still output the same frequency range as that VCO
2016-09-21T21:08:03 < jadew> there might be something wrong with the listing
2016-09-21T21:08:18 < jadew> it even says that: "The TSG4G1 is suited to applications that don't need I&Q channel for generating modulation signals, and the frequency requirement is lower than 4.4GHz."
2016-09-21T21:08:27 < jadew> and that "The TSG4G1's signal output is from an ADF4351, with the output level calibrated and controlled."
2016-09-21T21:08:38 < jadew> and you can't do IQ modulation on its output
2016-09-21T21:09:42 < jadew> I have to go to dinner, let me know what you find out
2016-09-21T21:10:12 < Rob235> I'm confused, If you want a solar system that produces 4.5 kW then you need like 14 panels?
2016-09-21T21:34:49 < Laurenceb> why not use dvbt dongle and mixer board?
2016-09-21T21:34:55 < Laurenceb> or module
2016-09-21T21:35:08 < Laurenceb> bbl
2016-09-21T21:40:32 < Rob235> mmm cheesecake for lunch
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2016-09-21T22:48:25 < kakimir> argon bottle bought for GTAW
2016-09-21T22:51:42 < kakimir> I need to implement a test
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2016-09-21T22:52:25 < kakimir> this machine is for 400Amperes so I need to measure shunt resistance and relenvance to machine frame tests
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2016-09-21T23:00:38 < kakimir> Laurenceb: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1474426880936.png
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2016-09-21T23:05:31 < emeb> R2COM: never heard of those.
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2016-09-21T23:27:50 < jadew> http://www.piercingtime.com/images/341/Stretched-Nose-And-Cheek-Body-Piercing.jpg
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2016-09-21T23:28:07 < jadew> are you still talking about that?
2016-09-21T23:28:10 < Steffanx> jadew: [angryface]
2016-09-21T23:28:18 < jadew> lol, sorry...
2016-09-21T23:28:24 < Steffanx> How can i unsee that?
2016-09-21T23:28:32 < BrainDamage> how do you even chew with that
2016-09-21T23:28:46 < jadew> how do you keep your saliva in?
2016-09-21T23:28:57 < Steffanx> All you need is http://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/008236/008236717167.jpg i guess
2016-09-21T23:29:07 < jadew> lol
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2016-09-21T23:29:09 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-21T23:29:13 < kakimir> jadew: you shouldn't let your teeth dry
2016-09-21T23:29:20 < kakimir> it's bad for teeth
2016-09-21T23:29:26 < Steffanx> Do you brush daily kakimir?
2016-09-21T23:29:40 < kakimir> I brush whenever I want
2016-09-21T23:29:53 < Steffanx> And is that daily or not?
2016-09-21T23:30:03 < kakimir> not daily to say
2016-09-21T23:30:21 < Steffanx> 3 times. im not sure how that would work out? At work too?
2016-09-21T23:30:26 < kakimir> I have rule that I brush only when teeth feel dirty
2016-09-21T23:30:53 < jadew> R2COM must have awesome teeth
2016-09-21T23:30:57 < kakimir> some people brush their teeth at work too... twice
2016-09-21T23:31:19 < jadew> really?
2016-09-21T23:31:32 < jadew> are you an actor?
2016-09-21T23:31:45 < jadew> such dedication...
2016-09-21T23:31:55 < kakimir> are you planning to become an actor?
2016-09-21T23:32:15 < Steffanx> Russian schwarzenegger :)
2016-09-21T23:32:52 < kakimir> sudden hot kiss... initialized by?
2016-09-21T23:33:12 < jadew> by him of course, he missed the "foreced" part
2016-09-21T23:33:15 < kakimir> :D
2016-09-21T23:33:30 < jadew> *forced
2016-09-21T23:34:03 < kakimir> hot women rarelly just kiss strangers at work
2016-09-21T23:34:15 < Steffanx> in porn it happens all the time though.
2016-09-21T23:34:25 < jadew> it happened to me at school
2016-09-21T23:34:28 < Rickta59> that is only when you are a pizza boy
2016-09-21T23:34:36 < jadew> and I also got ass groped
2016-09-21T23:34:50 < Steffanx> then you havent seen that episode with the sticky notes Rickta59 :P
2016-09-21T23:34:54 < jadew> what's amazing tho is that I was dressing like a douchebag back then
2016-09-21T23:34:56 < kakimir> maybe you could create good first impression and kiss later after works?
2016-09-21T23:35:07 < LeelooMinai> So... microcontrolers...
2016-09-21T23:35:34 < Steffanx> Where?
2016-09-21T23:35:48 < LeelooMinai> Not here apparently:p
2016-09-21T23:35:56 < jadew> geg
2016-09-21T23:35:57 < Steffanx> LeelooMinai: dongs made a bluetooth power dildo. Does that fit?
2016-09-21T23:35:58 < jadew> *heh
2016-09-21T23:36:02 < Steffanx> *powered
2016-09-21T23:36:03 < Rickta59> yeah I used to think of this as the "serious" channel
2016-09-21T23:36:20 < kakimir> he took that freecancer project?
2016-09-21T23:36:31 < Steffanx> not was for some korean buddy iirc.
2016-09-21T23:36:42 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: It may fit him, how do I know?
2016-09-21T23:37:10 < Steffanx> you'll never know.
2016-09-21T23:37:18 < LeelooMinai> good
2016-09-21T23:37:34 < Steffanx> So microcontrollers?
2016-09-21T23:37:47 < jadew> R2COM, that's very hot
2016-09-21T23:38:28 < jadew> haha
2016-09-21T23:38:34 < LeelooMinai> Oscar grade acting there:p
2016-09-21T23:38:35 < Steffanx> Sarcasm detector failed?
2016-09-21T23:38:55 < jadew> Steffanx, I really find it hot
2016-09-21T23:40:38 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyEuk8j8imI 900million views.. is he hot too?
2016-09-21T23:40:49 < LeelooMinai> So, a microcontroller comes to the doctor and says "I have hot flashes"
2016-09-21T23:41:01 < jadew> Steffanx, noooo, now I have that filth in my history
2016-09-21T23:41:21 < jadew> I really hope that if I delete it quick enough, google won't recommend me shit based on it
2016-09-21T23:41:31 < LeelooMinai> Now your google results are doomed for next decade
2016-09-21T23:41:38 < jadew> yeah :(
2016-09-21T23:41:59 < Steffanx> LeelooMinai, does the doctor has medication too?
2016-09-21T23:42:02 < Steffanx> *have
2016-09-21T23:42:11 < BrainDamage> http://ruinmysearchhistory.com/
2016-09-21T23:42:26 < jadew> haha
2016-09-21T23:42:31 < jadew> I'm tempted
2016-09-21T23:42:41 < Steffanx> better click then.
2016-09-21T23:42:50 < Steffanx> its not gnaa last measure style crap.
2016-09-21T23:42:55 < jadew> I clicked
2016-09-21T23:43:30 < jadew> but it doesn't really ruin it
2016-09-21T23:43:37 < jadew> if anything, it brings back old topics
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2016-09-21T23:43:45 < BrainDamage> in my case it makes it tamer
2016-09-21T23:43:53 < BrainDamage> esp on things i search on ebay
2016-09-21T23:44:10 < Steffanx> better share some of that.
2016-09-21T23:44:11 < jadew> hehe
2016-09-21T23:44:35 < jadew> oh, it gets progresively worse
2016-09-21T23:44:48 < jadew> I stopped it after "age of consent bucuresti"
2016-09-21T23:45:27 < jadew> don't know
2016-09-21T23:45:36 < jadew> 16 I think?
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2016-09-21T23:46:54 < jadew> what?
2016-09-21T23:47:22 < jadew> I think that's pretty standard, no?
2016-09-21T23:47:32 < Steffanx> 15 wikipedia says.
2016-09-21T23:47:43 < jadew> oh, there you go
2016-09-21T23:47:44 < Steffanx> since febr. 2014
2016-09-21T23:48:12 < Steffanx> the next sentence is more disturbing.
2016-09-21T23:48:19 < jadew> what is it?
2016-09-21T23:48:23 < Steffanx> better look.
2016-09-21T23:48:35 < jadew> haha, I won't, I closed the window
2016-09-21T23:48:40 < Steffanx> i refuse to trigger Laurence b
2016-09-21T23:49:41 < BrainDamage> i had some pressure cooker bomb searches, airports locations and quran
2016-09-21T23:49:50 < Steffanx> lol
2016-09-21T23:49:58 < jadew> lol
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2016-09-21T23:50:25 < BrainDamage> but that probably landed me on less watchlists than some reagents i ebayed
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2016-09-21T23:51:04 < Steffanx> i can share some ftp with floorplans + shipping plans of usa custom shops ( shops are some usa airports ) BrainDamage.
2016-09-21T23:51:22 < Steffanx> public ftp that is.
2016-09-21T23:51:30 < BrainDamage> no thanks, really
2016-09-21T23:51:44 < jadew> Steffanx, send it to him by PM
2016-09-21T23:52:06 < Steffanx> it's what you get for googling some random product barcode number. It happened to be in their inventory.
2016-09-21T23:52:15 < Steffanx> and for some reason that ftp is public.
2016-09-21T23:52:32 < jadew> goot IT department
2016-09-21T23:52:36 < jadew> good
2016-09-21T23:52:38 < Steffanx> Yes excellent.
2016-09-21T23:52:54 < Steffanx> "Army and Air Force Exchange Service" oops.
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2016-09-21T23:53:39 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol, dongs had the same issue
2016-09-21T23:53:45 < upgrdman> i never notice it because of adblock
2016-09-21T23:56:49 < jadew> R2COM, what do you need it for?
2016-09-21T23:57:04 < Steffanx> You better get nsa of your arse now BrainDamage.
2016-09-21T23:57:10 < jadew> so get a HackRF or something similar
2016-09-21T23:57:27 < upgrdman> sdr
2016-09-21T23:57:41 < jadew> I'm not, you can use it as a sig gen too
2016-09-21T23:58:21 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: as if i could
2016-09-21T23:58:56 < jadew> R2COM, what do you have against it?
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2016-09-21T23:59:29 < jadew> they're actually very similar
2016-09-21T23:59:34 < jadew> (to what you're after)
2016-09-21T23:59:49 < jadew> ah, I thought you want IQ modulation
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2016-09-22T00:00:00 < jadew> so you just want a CW sig gen?
2016-09-22T00:00:15 < jadew> yes
2016-09-22T00:00:17 < upgrdman> jadew, do you have a hackrf?
2016-09-22T00:00:34 < jadew> get an evaluation board then
2016-09-22T00:00:49 < jadew> you can't, it only has like 4 power levels
2016-09-22T00:00:49 < kakimir> accidentally pressed win + w
2016-09-22T00:00:57 < jadew> upgrdman, I do
2016-09-22T00:01:17 < jadew> yes
2016-09-22T00:01:32 < jadew> you can't
2016-09-22T00:01:40 < upgrdman> jadew, whats its freq range?
2016-09-22T00:01:42 < jadew> it's a PLL, it takes time to lock on new frequencies
2016-09-22T00:01:56 < jadew> upgrdman, ~10 MHz to 6 GHz
2016-09-22T00:02:09 < upgrdman> jadew, for both tx and rx?
2016-09-22T00:02:22 < jadew> upgrdman, yeah, but the performance varies with frequency
2016-09-22T00:02:25 < kakimir> I happen to have rubidium
2016-09-22T00:02:38 < jadew> R2COM, you can't
2016-09-22T00:02:52 < jadew> sort of
2016-09-22T00:03:07 < jadew> I know you can't make it change frequency fast enough for anything useful tho
2016-09-22T00:03:10 < jadew> it takes time to lock
2016-09-22T00:03:27 < jadew> there's a cheat sheet on their website that might have the lock times
2016-09-22T00:03:38 < jadew> also, if your clock is not great, the lock time increases
2016-09-22T00:03:58 < jadew> I don't remember
2016-09-22T00:05:40 < upgrdman> clock blocked
2016-09-22T00:06:46 < jadew> + communication
2016-09-22T00:07:06 < jadew> and I don't think you'll get 45 us tbh
2016-09-22T00:07:26 < jadew> R2COM, yeah, but that's still not enough fro FM modulation
2016-09-22T00:07:33 < jadew> you could do FSK
2016-09-22T00:07:43 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-22T00:08:58 < jadew> it would be low frequency FSK :)
2016-09-22T00:09:19 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-22T00:10:18 < jadew> if you want anything complex at high frequency, you're better off using a low frequency AWG and upconvert that
2016-09-22T00:10:32 < jadew> you get both awesome performance and cheap price
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2016-09-22T00:11:20 < jadew> you need a test signal, no?
2016-09-22T00:13:48 < jadew> englishman, yeah, which is why I suggested it in the first place
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2016-09-22T00:15:14 < jadew> R2COM, you should know that the output from the ADF is worse than what you get from the hackrf
2016-09-22T00:15:38 < jadew> for one, it has secondary harmonics sometimes higher than the fundamental
2016-09-22T00:15:50 < jadew> it's not meant to be used by itself
2016-09-22T00:16:00 < BrainDamage> lol what
2016-09-22T00:16:27 < BrainDamage> if that's true the signal won't look like a sine at all :p
2016-09-22T00:16:29 < jadew> I hope I'm right about the "higher" part, but that's how I remember it
2016-09-22T00:16:56 < jadew> I can put that to test
2016-09-22T00:17:15 < jadew> R2COM, they filter a lot
2016-09-22T00:17:27 < jadew> "sig gen designer"
2016-09-22T00:17:46 < jadew> give me a sec, I'll test the ADF's performance
2016-09-22T00:18:05 < jadew> yeah, so they can't be used directly
2016-09-22T00:18:15 < jadew> which is why I said that the HackRF is better in that regard
2016-09-22T00:19:08 < BrainDamage> moving filters are hardto make essentially
2016-09-22T00:19:20 < jadew> what BrainDamage said
2016-09-22T00:19:41 < jadew> R2COM, yeah, but that thing by itself isn't good as a general purpose sig gen either
2016-09-22T00:19:57 < jadew> why don't you get a proper sig gen, like I did?
2016-09-22T00:20:10 < jadew> it's not much more expensive
2016-09-22T00:20:30 < jadew> agilent e4421b
2016-09-22T00:21:21 < jadew> are you comparing new VCO IC to a full blown sig gen? :)
2016-09-22T00:21:50 < jadew> who's to say the IC in that ebay tool is new anyway? :)
2016-09-22T00:22:03 < jadew> R2COM, well, I checked mine, it's in spec
2016-09-22T00:22:49 < jadew> you can get a proper sig gen for a bit more than that
2016-09-22T00:23:19 < jadew> why does it matter?
2016-09-22T00:24:22 < kakimir> I still lack func gen
2016-09-22T00:24:30 < jadew> R2COM, don't know, it's in a box now
2016-09-22T00:24:30 < kakimir> don't really know what I need
2016-09-22T00:24:44 < BrainDamage> kakimir: more like disfunction generator
2016-09-22T00:25:06 < jadew> R2COM, http://www.ezurentals.com/modelimage/Agilent_HP/E4421B/E4421BBW.jpg
2016-09-22T00:25:08 < jadew> has GPIB
2016-09-22T00:25:28 < jadew> kakimir, then maybe you don't need one :)
2016-09-22T00:25:45 < jadew> R2COM, well, with a proper sig gen, you don't have to
2016-09-22T00:25:47 < jadew> you turn the knob
2016-09-22T00:28:04 < emeb> http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLED-digital-ADF4351-35MHZ-4-4GHZ-Signal-generator-frequency-RF-signal-source-/222231430073?hash=item33be0683b9:g:LG4AAOSwHoFXwXDx
2016-09-22T00:29:00 < Thorn> patriarchytech
2016-09-22T00:29:24 < LeelooMinai> That's one ugly case:/
2016-09-22T00:29:47 < kakimir> too much money for chinese
2016-09-22T00:30:08 < kakimir> wait it does 4.4
2016-09-22T00:30:15 < kakimir> ghz :o
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2016-09-22T00:31:33 < jadew> R2COM: http://imgur.com/a/EOMIW
2016-09-22T00:31:47 < jadew> 3rd harmonic is 1.34 dB higher than the fundamental at that frequency
2016-09-22T00:31:57 < jadew> and I bet I can get worse
2016-09-22T00:32:07 < BrainDamage> that's one pileof shit
2016-09-22T00:32:07 < jadew> from the ADF
2016-09-22T00:32:14 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: What do you need all this RF stuff for? What are you some kind of E.T.?
2016-09-22T00:32:20 < BrainDamage> so the signal is not a sine
2016-09-22T00:32:28 < jadew> exactly
2016-09-22T00:32:40 < LeelooMinai> E.T. Phone Home
2016-09-22T00:33:13 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You did not watch E.T.?
2016-09-22T00:33:15 < BrainDamage> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083866/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3
2016-09-22T00:33:18 < jadew> R2COM, the point is that the HackRF (and possibly other tools out there) have cleaner output
2016-09-22T00:33:20 < LeelooMinai> Them young people nowadays...
2016-09-22T00:33:33 < jadew> I don't really understand why you would go for the worse output instead
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2016-09-22T00:33:51 < BrainDamage> the hackrf won't be a straight siggen tought
2016-09-22T00:33:52 < jadew> basically, any other option is better
2016-09-22T00:34:02 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah, it wouldn't
2016-09-22T00:34:24 < BrainDamage> you'll have to config the output signal, either trought gnuradio or some custom sw
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2016-09-22T00:35:03 < BrainDamage> it's more flexible tought, but less retadproof
2016-09-22T00:35:19 < BrainDamage> and yes, more time wasting
2016-09-22T00:35:40 < BrainDamage> the sdr
2016-09-22T00:38:07 < jadew> yeah, I saw it on the first page too, then opened a new tab with imgur, so I wouldn't lose it
2016-09-22T00:38:15 < emeb> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RF-Signal-Generator-35MHz-to-4-4GHz-via-USB-16dBm-Plus-Features-1500-units-sold-/201669479635?hash=item2ef4700cd3:g:o0EAAOSw3mpXF9F1
2016-09-22T00:38:23 < emeb> Made in Texas!
2016-09-22T00:39:18 < emeb> looks like he's got a nice user interface on it.
2016-09-22T00:39:51 < jadew> well, you can click RF ON and RF OFF real quick
2016-09-22T00:40:41 < jadew> http://imgur.com/a/avXBw
2016-09-22T00:40:50 < jadew> I wonder if I can top that
2016-09-22T00:41:17 < jadew> 2.17 dB
2016-09-22T00:41:48 < BrainDamage> i can't even picture wtf is that shit going to look like in time
2016-09-22T00:42:00 < BrainDamage> if it had decay it'd be a triangle wave
2016-09-22T00:42:16 < emeb> comb line generator?
2016-09-22T00:42:17 < BrainDamage> but with such strong 3rd harmonic i have no idea
2016-09-22T00:42:20 < emeb> step recovery diode?
2016-09-22T00:42:25 < BrainDamage> no, it's a sine generator
2016-09-22T00:46:57 < jadew> I was able to get 2.84
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2016-09-22T00:49:48 < BrainDamage> he's talking about relative harmonic distotion, not output power
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2016-09-22T00:50:23 < Laurenceb__> bent duck
2016-09-22T00:50:31 < Laurenceb__> holy shit I just read scrollback
2016-09-22T00:50:41 < Laurenceb__> jadew literally fapped to my cousin
2016-09-22T00:50:57 < jadew> lol
2016-09-22T00:51:10 < BrainDamage> wat
2016-09-22T00:51:34 < Laurenceb__> <jadew> doesn't seem to be free, but everyone is already naked...
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2016-09-22T00:51:56 < Laurenceb__> R2COM: I'm not that retarded
2016-09-22T00:53:22 < jadew> BrainDamage, you were right, it's almost a triangle wave
2016-09-22T00:53:53 < jadew> R2COM, no, normal ON with that harmonic
2016-09-22T00:54:15 < jadew> 743 MHz
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2016-09-22T00:54:47 < jadew> I don't know the phase, but it could be either a triangle a shaved sine or a a sine with a bump
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2016-09-22T00:56:53 < jadew> some board I got from China
2016-09-22T00:57:00 < jadew> but I got similar results with my own boards
2016-09-22T01:02:30 < Laurenceb__> holy shit /b/ at work http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-37429967
2016-09-22T01:02:48 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/krIZ9Q7.jpg
2016-09-22T01:04:23 < jadew> R2COM, that gif is mesmerizing
2016-09-22T01:04:54 < jadew> yeah, the one with the bouncing girl
2016-09-22T01:05:45  * Laurenceb__ is expecting pronz
2016-09-22T01:06:17 < jadew> it's not porn, I'm into classy stuff
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2016-09-22T01:07:36 < jadew> Laurenceb__: http://i.imgur.com/EIECo0M.gifv
2016-09-22T01:08:00 < Laurenceb__> still expecting pronz
2016-09-22T01:08:06 < kakimir> guise
2016-09-22T01:08:19 < Thorn> fap to this http://tomoca.jp/products/MS2602A%20BIG.JPG
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2016-09-22T01:08:50 < jadew> Thorn, to a signal? :)
2016-09-22T01:09:08 < Thorn> the instrument
2016-09-22T01:09:20 < jadew> yeah, it's nice
2016-09-22T01:09:47 < jadew> mine doeos 30 Hz to 13.2 GHz tho :P
2016-09-22T01:09:50 < jadew> *does
2016-09-22T01:10:38 < jadew> HP 8562E
2016-09-22T01:11:25 < jadew> which scope?
2016-09-22T01:11:58 < jadew> looks spartan
2016-09-22T01:12:19 < jadew> you couldn't fix it?
2016-09-22T01:12:22 < jadew> ah
2016-09-22T01:13:51 < jadew> I like repairing stuff
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2016-09-22T01:14:02 < jadew> but only if it's mine
2016-09-22T01:14:09 < kakimir> I have low Iq regulator for low Iq device... momentary it can pull probably 3-4amps and my regulator is already upgraded to 1A model - what kind of switching device for paraller on-demand step down enable input would be the smartest solution?
2016-09-22T01:14:49 < jadew> R2COM, learning experience
2016-09-22T01:15:02 < kakimir> or is there actually whole another smarter solution to this
2016-09-22T01:15:47 < owl-v-> stm32f3xx has the highest ADC MSPS in stm32 series? (5 msps) 
2016-09-22T01:16:20 < kakimir> owl-v-: I think I have seen 12 or more
2016-09-22T01:16:43 < kakimir> branded as high speed adc
2016-09-22T01:21:46 < aandrew> hm
2016-09-22T01:22:30 < aandrew> I should be able to modulate a PWM ramp just with careful setup of the timer clock/period and data pattern being DMA'd to the timer, shouldn't I?
2016-09-22T01:23:05 < kakimir> but should the solution be some sort of shunt amplifier + comparator with hysteresis driving en pin of the side converter?
2016-09-22T01:23:36 < Thorn> kakimir: the dc/dc will take its time to start up
2016-09-22T01:23:51 < kakimir> I know
2016-09-22T01:23:56 < Thorn> it could be a long time
2016-09-22T01:24:37 < kakimir> as how long time?
2016-09-22T01:25:26 < owl-v-> R2COM you mean just ADC component?
2016-09-22T01:25:30 < kakimir> if I set the circuit so that it activates side converter at let's say 0.2amps or so
2016-09-22T01:25:46 < kakimir> and turn it off at 0.05amps
2016-09-22T01:25:49 < owl-v-> what about MCU with high ADC ?
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2016-09-22T01:26:00 < owl-v-> for mixed signal processing
2016-09-22T01:26:41 < kakimir> when you need really fast adc you forget mcus and integrated adcs
2016-09-22T01:27:10 < kakimir> and have seperate adc connected to fpga
2016-09-22T01:27:41 < kakimir> and have a lot of time to carry it all out
2016-09-22T01:29:02 < LeelooMinai> Right, at some point it's either FPGA or ASIC - that's what oscilloscopes have inside.
2016-09-22T01:29:19 < kakimir> not only oscilloscopes
2016-09-22T01:29:38 < LeelooMinai> Of course not, but they are the most classic case.
2016-09-22T01:31:21 < jadew> there has to be some MCU with ADC and DSP that doesn't require much CPU time
2016-09-22T01:32:02 < kakimir> ti high end stuff
2016-09-22T01:32:30 < jadew> AD might have something too
2016-09-22T01:33:09 < jadew> http://www.analog.com/en/products/processors-dsp.html
2016-09-22T01:35:45 < jadew> http://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ADSP-21992.pdf
2016-09-22T01:35:53 < jadew> 20 MSPS
2016-09-22T01:36:09 < jadew> R2COM, have fun
2016-09-22T01:37:48 < jadew> don't know
2016-09-22T01:42:41 < jadew> you don't really need ethernet in a car
2016-09-22T01:47:22 < kakimir> what would the step down do it's boot time?
2016-09-22T01:47:39 < kakimir> just start driving that output
2016-09-22T01:47:56 < kakimir> in this case output is already almost at set point
2016-09-22T01:49:07 < Thorn> kakimir: look at datasheets, maybe some have startup waveforms
2016-09-22T01:49:35 < Thorn> it won't output rated voltage or current immedistely
2016-09-22T01:50:05 < Thorn> you may have more look switching its output rather than enable pin
2016-09-22T01:53:34 < Thorn> *luck
2016-09-22T01:54:57 < kakimir> it wont stop consuming all the battery
2016-09-22T01:55:02 < kakimir> unless en pin
2016-09-22T01:55:36 < kakimir> soon I have mcu in this to figure out loads...
2016-09-22T01:56:16 < kakimir> now I'm thinking how about having shunt for low power step down and then for combined line
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2016-09-22T01:57:23 < kakimir> when low power shunt threshold is exceed then high power step down is turned on
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2016-09-22T01:59:13 < kakimir> and when high power shunt threshold is passed underneath for a period of time it turns the high power step down off
2016-09-22T01:59:41 < kakimir> and all this should not consume more than few microamps or so
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2016-09-22T02:02:24 < kakimir> or then I just pile these low Iq modules 2-3times and do the supercap circuit for peak loads
2016-09-22T02:03:40 < Thorn> supercaps have large esr
2016-09-22T02:04:02 < kakimir> can't pull an amp from those?
2016-09-22T02:07:56 < karlp> r2com ranting about professional tools, trying to workout which hundred dollar ebay gadget to buy anyway
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2016-09-22T02:17:16 < kakimir> interesting thing... pop music bpm may be slowly descending
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2016-09-22T03:07:42 < Laurenceb__> holy shit cuckerberg
2016-09-22T03:07:53 < Laurenceb__> Musk: I'm gunna terraform mars
2016-09-22T03:08:05 < Laurenceb__> Cuckerburger: Yeah and your mum
2016-09-22T03:08:16 < Laurenceb__> Cuckerburger: Oh I gunna cure ALL DISEASE
2016-09-22T03:08:47 < brianx> Thorn: parallel em if you need more current. 
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2016-09-22T03:12:27 < Laurenceb__> https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9684251&cid=52933819
2016-09-22T03:18:16 < kakimir> is billion dollars like.. anything
2016-09-22T03:18:20 < kakimir> at all
2016-09-22T03:18:56 < Laurenceb__> nope
2016-09-22T03:19:10 < Laurenceb__> we threw $10M away on CRT shit
2016-09-22T03:19:20 < Laurenceb__> just 100 CRT level shitprojects
2016-09-22T03:20:35 < Laurenceb__> I was a lowly assistant
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2016-09-22T03:24:09 < kakimir> you can't just throw money at the thing and wish it will deliver
2016-09-22T03:26:11 < Laurenceb__> heh yeah even the CRT project wasn't that stupid
2016-09-22T03:26:20 < Laurenceb__> the "idea" came first
2016-09-22T03:27:16 < Laurenceb__> it's currently in an impasse because I refuse to "process" the data
2016-09-22T03:29:01 < Laurenceb__> where "process" means write an importer for xls files filled with random fudge values and time offsets for dividing the data
2016-09-22T03:29:53 < kakimir> you can live on what.. thousand or few thousand units of currency X
2016-09-22T03:30:04 < kakimir> but still 1B is mere padding
2016-09-22T03:30:27 < Laurenceb__> yeah this project involved millions in "expenses"
2016-09-22T03:30:49 < Laurenceb__> to uni, NHS, commercial collaborators etc
2016-09-22T03:31:26 < Laurenceb__> visited commercial partner and they have 20 full time staff making powerpoints
2016-09-22T03:32:30 < Laurenceb__> someone was tasked with designing the reflectance model of the tabletop on which the mock up "commercial embodiment" was going to be rendered
2016-09-22T03:33:46 < kakimir> they made better money than you did
2016-09-22T03:33:52 < Laurenceb__> yup
2016-09-22T03:34:18 < Laurenceb__> but their time was utterly wasted as the idea is pure bullshit
2016-09-22T03:34:31 < Laurenceb__> at least I came up with some useful datalogger hardware
2016-09-22T03:35:32 < Laurenceb__> I'm currently investigating how I can publish a paper by myself calling out the rest of the team on their bullshit
2016-09-22T03:36:26 < kakimir> it was nice to know you
2016-09-22T03:36:41 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2016-09-22T03:36:53 < Laurenceb__> I dont think they would kill me, its not that bad
2016-09-22T03:37:15 < Laurenceb__> I was, graduated 2015
2016-09-22T03:37:34 < Laurenceb__> lulnice
2016-09-22T03:38:09 < Laurenceb__> I'm not, I refused to get involved in their bullshit
2016-09-22T03:38:18 < Laurenceb__> heh
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2016-09-22T03:38:37 < Laurenceb__> wut theres lots of interesting stuff to so
2016-09-22T03:38:41 < Laurenceb__> *do
2016-09-22T03:38:56 < Laurenceb__> I was working on medical sensing
2016-09-22T03:39:19 < Laurenceb__> so there is tons of useful work to be done
2016-09-22T03:40:04 < Laurenceb__> like say autoimmune suppression using electronic nerve stimulation which was just published
2016-09-22T03:40:29 < Laurenceb__> so it came out of PhD research
2016-09-22T03:40:37 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2016-09-22T03:40:44 < Laurenceb__> way too high level
2016-09-22T03:41:21 < Laurenceb__> ppl here are doing utter bullshit like "electronic traffic light controllers"
2016-09-22T03:41:30 < Laurenceb__> I avoid undergrads like the plague
2016-09-22T03:41:36 < Laurenceb__> they are cancerous
2016-09-22T03:41:53 < Laurenceb__> nope
2016-09-22T03:42:01 < Laurenceb__> EE undergrads are cancer
2016-09-22T03:42:07 < Laurenceb__> thats why I did Physics
2016-09-22T03:42:39 < Laurenceb__> anyways my supervisors were full of shit
2016-09-22T03:42:48 < Laurenceb__> like all the other PhDs are chinese
2016-09-22T03:42:59 < Laurenceb__> they didn't like that they couldnt just tell me what to do
2016-09-22T03:43:13 < Laurenceb__> I would call them out on their bullshit instead of "obeying"
2016-09-22T03:43:31 < Laurenceb__> fairdoos
2016-09-22T03:45:32 < kakimir> it is
2016-09-22T03:45:44 < Laurenceb__> I think I triggered R2COM
2016-09-22T03:46:48 < kakimir> that is why I left school
2016-09-22T03:47:58 < Laurenceb__> well I wouldn't really call myself an engineer
2016-09-22T03:48:06 < Laurenceb__> lul
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2016-09-22T03:48:44 < Laurenceb__> yes
2016-09-22T03:49:34 < Laurenceb__> thankyou
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2016-09-22T03:50:53 < Laurenceb__> I said at the time
2016-09-22T03:51:09 < Laurenceb__> but it's no big deal :P Just another certificate
2016-09-22T03:51:37 < Laurenceb__> ppl pay me grant money to goof around most of the time, it's all good
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2016-09-22T03:53:04 < Laurenceb__> lul R2COM is really triggered by PhD
2016-09-22T03:55:26 < Laurenceb__> uh oh  http://ssi.org/exotic-propulsion-initiative/
2016-09-22T03:56:51 < Laurenceb__> I can design datalogger shit and optical front end analogue
2016-09-22T03:57:06 < Laurenceb__> also optics stuff
2016-09-22T03:57:34 < Laurenceb__> http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/35137/1/pmea_37_1_83.pdf
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2016-09-22T04:00:00 < Laurenceb__> designed base unit, sensor, back end data processing/archiving
2016-09-22T04:02:12 < Laurenceb__> well it was useful and novel
2016-09-22T04:02:21 < Laurenceb__> but that was like 15% of the work I did
2016-09-22T04:02:31 < Laurenceb__> I have a few more papers on other stuff
2016-09-22T04:03:10 < Laurenceb__> and some work I did on the side involving many more dataloggers to look at emergency response vehicle vibration hazards
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2016-09-22T04:05:12 < kakimir> It's producing paper looking science and shiet R2COM 
2016-09-22T04:06:43 < kakimir> whos life?
2016-09-22T04:09:03 < kakimir> I feel what R2COM is saying but I don't really get the core of it because nobody actually does
2016-09-22T04:09:49 < kakimir> yes
2016-09-22T04:09:53 < kakimir> but why
2016-09-22T04:10:07 < kakimir> it happens
2016-09-22T04:18:44 < kakimir> morbid fear of aids
2016-09-22T04:19:04 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-09-22T04:19:18 < Laurenceb__> R2COM: good luck getting a Masters student to do anything in UK
2016-09-22T04:19:33 < Laurenceb__> the best you would manage is it they turned up to meet you
2016-09-22T04:19:41 < Laurenceb__> *if
2016-09-22T04:19:55 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-09-22T04:20:31 < Laurenceb__> http://eodg.atm.ox.ac.uk/eodg/mphys_reports/2008_Blaxter.pdf
2016-09-22T04:20:53 < Laurenceb__> muh master project
2016-09-22T04:20:59 < kakimir> aids anxiety
2016-09-22T04:22:37 < kakimir> like what?
2016-09-22T04:22:39 < Laurenceb__> R2COM: uni costs about $10B/year to run, it has to get the money somehow
2016-09-22T04:25:20 < Laurenceb__> typical british activity http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-37429967
2016-09-22T04:26:20 < kakimir> but those... look like your cat Laurenceb__ ?
2016-09-22T04:26:48 < Laurenceb__> wasn't me, honest
2016-09-22T04:27:03 < Laurenceb__> although I do have a stray cat problem
2016-09-22T04:28:02  * Laurenceb__ zzz
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2016-09-22T04:43:28 < aandrew> iCar
2016-09-22T04:50:02 < kakimir> they try to tesla?
2016-09-22T04:50:14 < kakimir> sure they do
2016-09-22T04:53:14 < kakimir> had
2016-09-22T05:00:26 < kakimir> interesting
2016-09-22T05:00:29 < kakimir> like how old?
2016-09-22T05:00:29 < emeb_mac> seasonal affective disorder.
2016-09-22T05:01:14 < kakimir> it's true
2016-09-22T05:02:41 < kakimir> finnislanders reproduce at order of their elders
2016-09-22T05:05:19 < kakimir> finlands cause is ours
2016-09-22T05:05:48 < kakimir> come to volunteer something
2016-09-22T05:10:51 < kakimir> original?
2016-09-22T05:13:42 < kakimir> it's like
2016-09-22T05:13:53 < kakimir> really cool
2016-09-22T05:15:23 < kakimir> like almost spiritual
2016-09-22T05:15:48 < kakimir> wear it and turn into a beast
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2016-09-22T06:11:23 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N6cjGS7lUE&t=29m26s
2016-09-22T06:22:13 < upgrdman> nice deadbug
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2016-09-22T06:50:56 < upgrdman> damn, trolled myself so good. "why the fuck cant this parse the CSVs" ... oh, they're space-separated instead of comma-separated :(
2016-09-22T06:51:11 < upgrdman> spent a good hour before it dawned on me :/
2016-09-22T06:58:00 < upgrdman> anyone dicked with this? looks like rdp/vnc to the web browser.  https://guacamole.incubator.apache.org/
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2016-09-22T07:23:32 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/CHPv39w.gifv
2016-09-22T07:25:56 < emeb_mac> nice work guys
2016-09-22T07:26:02 < emeb_mac> really on top of things there
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2016-09-22T08:59:18 < upgrdman> from r/shittyBattleStations... wondering what the stain on the floor is... http://i.imgur.com/cmVkz4Q.jpg
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2016-09-22T09:00:56 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/GOFz0Xh.jpg
2016-09-22T09:03:05 < stvn> the grease in his chair spilled?
2016-09-22T09:03:37 < upgrdman> wow   https://i.redd.it/lxt6k2ujdgex.jpg
2016-09-22T09:03:46 < stvn> when i was a teenager my friends dad computer looked like that
2016-09-22T09:03:55 < stvn> severe burns in the keys on the keyboard
2016-09-22T09:05:34 < upgrdman> found R2COM's battle station  https://i.redd.it/ifrcuv24my9x.jpg
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2016-09-22T09:13:47 < stvn> neat setup
2016-09-22T09:14:02 < stvn> you'd definitely be proud enough to share it round
2016-09-22T09:14:34 < stvn> could imagine mr.d's setup looking like that, by name not reputation
2016-09-22T09:15:57 < upgrdman> heh     
2016-09-22T09:16:44 < stvn> also, the world's undisputed king of cock-blocking is back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBLLRMsD8H8
2016-09-22T09:24:24 < upgrdman> no joke, one of the guys caught on To Catch a Predator was someone i used to work with
2016-09-22T09:25:01 < stvn> which one
2016-09-22T09:25:26 < stvn> as in, whats the guy's name?
2016-09-22T09:28:24 < upgrdman> Jerry Griffith
2016-09-22T09:28:27 < upgrdman> http://www.perverted-justice.com/?con=mr_b_jones2
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2016-09-22T09:30:01 < upgrdman> lol at end of page    http://www.perverted-justice.com/?archive=mr_b_jones2
2016-09-22T09:30:57 < stvn> lolololol
2016-09-22T09:31:35 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGgR-N8Nu44
2016-09-22T09:32:18 < upgrdman> lol "Jerry's arrest in January of 2006 was filmed during the first Dateline: To Catch a Predator that involved Law Enforcement, in Riverside County California. You may remember him as the man that brought the pie. " .... what a nice guy. brought pie.
2016-09-22T09:32:58 < stvn> this guys fucken lost
2016-09-22T09:42:20 < upgrdman> http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=C31301A4&zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=griffitt&firstName=jerry&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=&countyLocation=&zipcode2=&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=107211&centerlat=38409907&cent
2016-09-22T09:42:20 < upgrdman> erlon=-121514242&starlat=&starlon=&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=namelist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=&W6=673475%0D%0A&lang=ENGLISH&W6=673475
2016-09-22T09:42:44 < upgrdman> hmm. url may be fucked. search that .gov for california -> name -> jerry griffitt
2016-09-22T09:44:58 < stvn> http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/CA18609246N1504/Jerry-Eugene-Griffitt.html
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2016-09-22T10:45:39 < stvn> innovate with stm32 and the IoT
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2016-09-22T10:49:18 < Thorn> all the buttplugs are already patented
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2016-09-22T11:32:00 < Ecco> Hey     
2016-09-22T11:37:07 < Ecco> I'm looking for an SMT crystal to enable USB on an STM32. What frequency/package do you think would be the cheapest/easiest to source?
2016-09-22T11:48:42 < Thorn> that depends on the stm32
2016-09-22T11:48:53 < Thorn> f1 vs f107 vs f4 vs f3 etc
2016-09-22T11:49:23 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j018pZ08bDc
2016-09-22T11:52:15 < Ecco> F4     
2016-09-22T11:52:34 < Ecco> I'm consdering a 24 MHz in a 2012 package
2016-09-22T11:53:50 < Ecco> But I'm afraid the package is too large
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2016-09-22T12:06:32 < stvn> can i get two scratches for my home boy jesus? better make it three
2016-09-22T12:06:33 < ReadErr> https://i.sli.mg/fNSDfB.png
2016-09-22T12:06:36 < ReadErr> found Laurenceb 
2016-09-22T12:07:08 < stvn> thanks for sharing
2016-09-22T12:09:43 < stvn> rat shit components sent me a spam
2016-09-22T12:10:06 < stvn> it like a plastic card mailed which has a usb end on it
2016-09-22T12:17:41 < stvn> ReadErr, can you teach me lua
2016-09-22T12:18:02 < ReadErr> I can teach you how to dougie 
2016-09-22T12:19:15 < stvn> ok that's better than nothing
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2016-09-22T12:22:42 < Ecco> Huuh
2016-09-22T12:22:48 < Ecco> So I've found a nice cap
2016-09-22T12:22:51 < Ecco> 6 pF load capacitance
2016-09-22T12:22:56 < Ecco> but the STM32 doc says :
2016-09-22T12:23:07 < Ecco>  PCB and MCU pin capacitance must be included (10 pF can be used as a rough estimate of the combined pin and board capacitance) when sizing CL1 and CL2.
2016-09-22T12:23:16 < Ecco> So I just can't use this crystal, right?
2016-09-22T12:23:36 < dongs> wat     
2016-09-22T12:23:41 < zyp> sure you could
2016-09-22T12:23:43 < zyp> but nice how?
2016-09-22T12:24:21 < Ecco> correct me if I'm wrong
2016-09-22T12:24:31 < zyp> you're wrong
2016-09-22T12:24:42 < zyp> but go on
2016-09-22T12:24:45 < Ecco> but CL1 = CL2 = 2*(Crystal_load_capacitance - PCB_AND_MCU_capacitance)
2016-09-22T12:24:53 < Ecco> :-D     
2016-09-22T12:25:03 < Ecco> So according to my (apparently wrong) calculation
2016-09-22T12:25:06 < zyp> why would you multiply the last number by 2?
2016-09-22T12:25:11 < Ecco> that would result in a negative CL1 / CL2
2016-09-22T12:25:23 < dongs> two traces!!!
2016-09-22T12:25:27 < stvn> i have a false arm
2016-09-22T12:25:34 < zyp> dongs, if anything that should divide it by 2
2016-09-22T12:25:59 < zyp> idk, 10 sounds like a lot too
2016-09-22T12:26:25 < Ecco> Indeed, but that's what the datasheet says
2016-09-22T12:26:26 < Ecco> STM32F412
2016-09-22T12:26:28 < Ecco> "PCB and MCU pin capacitance must be included (10 pF can be used as a rough estimate of the combined pin and board capacitance) when sizing CL1 and CL2."
2016-09-22T12:26:58 < zyp> sure, but which board layout are they assuming then?
2016-09-22T12:27:06 < Ecco> I've no idea
2016-09-22T12:27:50 < Ecco> What's weird though is that trying to compute CL1/2 becomes a joke if you have such an error on the pin/mcu capacitance
2016-09-22T12:28:07 < Ecco> and if the required Cl on the crystal is so low
2016-09-22T12:28:09 < zyp> that's just because you have a silly low Cl
2016-09-22T12:28:12 < Ecco> indeed
2016-09-22T12:28:31 < zyp> usually the shit I use are like 18p or so
2016-09-22T12:28:31 < Ecco> Actually I'm just trying to figure out a convenient, easy to source, and not too expensive SMT quartz
2016-09-22T12:28:57 < zyp> doubled that's 36p, so I load it with 33p, allowing 3p for trace capacitance
2016-09-22T12:29:15 < Ecco> Yeah, I did just that in a previous iteration, worked just fine
2016-09-22T12:29:18 < Ecco> what package are you using?
2016-09-22T12:29:25 < Ecco> I'm using a 5032 metric
2016-09-22T12:29:30 < Ecco> which turns out to be rather expensive
2016-09-22T12:29:32 < zyp> idk, whatever's convenient
2016-09-22T12:29:35 < dongs> for qhR DEWYWBXT
2016-09-22T12:29:37 < dongs> err     
2016-09-22T12:29:47 < dongs> for what frequency?
2016-09-22T12:29:47 < zyp> last boards I've done, I've gone crystalless
2016-09-22T12:29:58 < Ecco> Well I just use it to USB DFU
2016-09-22T12:30:15 < zyp> and the board before that I went with 25MHz just to avoid another BOM line since I already needed 25MHz for the ethernet phy
2016-09-22T12:30:18 < Ecco> So the frequency has to be between 4 MHz and 26 MHz and be a multiple of 1MHz
2016-09-22T12:30:29 < dongs> so if 12M, 3225
2016-09-22T12:30:31 < Ecco> Nothing very fancy as you can see
2016-09-22T12:30:34 < Ecco> ok     
2016-09-22T12:30:44 < dongs> 25M, 3225 also cheap
2016-09-22T12:30:45 < Ecco> 12 MHz, 3225 (metric ?) is very common?
2016-09-22T12:30:48 < Ecco> ok great
2016-09-22T12:30:50 < dongs> yes     
2016-09-22T12:30:55 < Ecco> Excellent
2016-09-22T12:30:57 < Ecco> thanks dongs!
2016-09-22T12:31:00 < dongs> 8MHz is harder to get in 3225 as crystal inside too big
2016-09-22T12:31:07 < dongs> those are more common 5032 or hwartever
2016-09-22T12:31:10 < dongs> but thats huge.
2016-09-22T12:31:13 < zyp> yeah
2016-09-22T12:31:14 < Ecco> Indeed
2016-09-22T12:31:17 < Ecco> Exactly my issue
2016-09-22T12:31:20 < zyp> that's what I used to use, I guess
2016-09-22T12:31:25 < dongs> 25mhz you can get in 1610
2016-09-22T12:31:34 < Ecco> Huge and therefore kinda expensive for something I definitely don't need
2016-09-22T12:31:36 < dongs> or 2620? something like that
2016-09-22T12:31:43 < dongs> 2016 maybe
2016-09-22T12:31:46 < dongs> is the one im thinking.
2016-09-22T12:31:48 < zyp> probably going 12MHz or something next time I need a crystal
2016-09-22T12:31:53 < dongs> i used some of thoes in 27mhz
2016-09-22T12:32:07 < Ecco> I'm finding tons of 2016 (metric) in 24 MHz
2016-09-22T12:32:14 < Ecco> but the problem is that they have a very low load capacitance
2016-09-22T12:32:24 < zyp> oh, right, I forgot about the rfid crystal on that board
2016-09-22T12:32:35 < zyp> that was 3225?
2016-09-22T12:32:54 < dongs> no i think it was one step down
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2016-09-22T12:33:16 < dongs> 2520
2016-09-22T12:33:19 < zyp> yeah
2016-09-22T12:41:04 < Ecco> Thanks dongs
2016-09-22T12:41:16 < Ecco> Indeed 3225 seems like the way to go
2016-09-22T12:41:17 < Ecco> http://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/Epson-Timing/FA-238-250000MB-C3/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsBj6bBr9Q9aXmxIa9b7yjI50WxT0p%252b05U%3d
2016-09-22T12:42:46 < dongs> abracon is a cheap brand
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2016-09-22T12:57:25 < qyx> whree do you source abracon 3225 xtals?ň
2016-09-22T12:58:57 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/abracon-llc/ABM8G-12.000MHZ-4Y-T3/535-10901-1-ND/2624234 here? i dunno
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2016-09-22T13:07:26 < kakimir> I use only 2016
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2016-09-22T13:21:02 < jpa-> someone should write a script to dechipher this so that i don't have to fix my logging   "nxn_xrguln_isnpsltiatnlcien:e :R evceecitvoerd: opco d(e1=02,38 2nby)t-e>s(=14040"
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2016-09-22T13:49:45 < Steffanx> Lolwut jpa-?
2016-09-22T13:49:58 < zyp> haha
2016-09-22T13:49:58 < tkoskine> Wrong baudrate?
2016-09-22T13:52:24 < BrainDamage>  http://www.studiozey.com/woodencapacitor/index.html
2016-09-22T14:01:27 < stvn> wtf     
2016-09-22T14:03:21 < stvn> it's all going to hell Steffanx 
2016-09-22T14:05:36 < jpa-> multiple threads writing at the same time :)
2016-09-22T14:06:23 < jpa-> basically if you take every other character you get the actual log message
2016-09-22T14:07:38 < PaulFertser> $ echo "nxn_xrguln_isnpsltiatnlcien:e" | sed 's/\(.\)./\1/g'
2016-09-22T14:07:39 < PaulFertser> nnxgl_splitline
2016-09-22T14:08:23 < PaulFertser> And sed 's/\(.\)\(.\)/\2/g' for the second message :)
2016-09-22T14:10:33 < karlp> last you nerds discussed crystal packages, 
2016-09-22T14:10:33 < karlp> 10:44 < dongs> cheap 3225 ends at 12MHz, 24 and up can be 2016 package
2016-09-22T14:10:33 < karlp> 10:44 < dongs> 8MHz is available in 3225 but expensive as shit
2016-09-22T14:12:59 < karlp> I see what ecoo meant though, lots of the cheapest smallest have like 6pf load capacitance
2016-09-22T14:16:07 < karlp> BrainDamage: nice caps ;)
2016-09-22T14:24:10 < dongs> got the ar18 running
2016-09-22T14:24:13 < dongs> looks like its full auto
2016-09-22T14:24:21 < dongs> empties magazine in seconds
2016-09-22T14:25:45 < karlp> airsoft means what, little bb things? or plastic mushroom shits?
2016-09-22T14:27:00 < dongs> 6mm BBs i guess
2016-09-22T14:28:42 < dongs> this shit is compressed gas, i hooked it up to my dicknplace compressor
2016-09-22T14:32:16 < Emil> Airsoft is fun
2016-09-22T14:32:28 < karlp> huh, I thought from the pictures that woodencap dude was making big caps completely out of wood, but no, it's just taking off the casing an dputting a wooden casing around it instead.
2016-09-22T14:32:30 < zyp> airsoft is plastic as far as I know
2016-09-22T14:32:36 < zyp> that's why it's called soft
2016-09-22T14:33:07 < Emil> jpa-: time division log multiplexing
2016-09-22T14:33:13 < Emil> Now that's pretty great :D
2016-09-22T14:34:36 < dongs> PaulFertser: .......................
2016-09-22T14:34:37 < Emil> The 6mm (99,9999% it's 6mmm) bbs are nowadays more and more often made from biodegradable materials
2016-09-22T14:34:58 < Emil> But many as plastic, yes
2016-09-22T14:35:36 < PaulFertser> Damn, that hurts!
2016-09-22T14:36:32 < Emil> All of the weapons work on compressed gas, either by compressing air with a spring (which is compressed in turn by either man power or electric motors) or by already compressed gasses that are released to an expansion chamber
2016-09-22T14:36:51 < Emil> (like propane, co2, ...)
2016-09-22T14:37:21 < stvn> thanks for sharing
2016-09-22T14:37:32 < Emil> heh     
2016-09-22T14:38:02 < Emil> I can end with that a) it's fun and b) a great activity to get yourself moving
2016-09-22T14:38:35 < Emil> I've been thinking about making a fire control system and a remote locking mechanism for an airsoft weapon
2016-09-22T14:38:46 < karlp> I I wanted to move I could just play pokemon go ;)
2016-09-22T14:39:12 < Emil> plsno, I'm resisting pretty badly on bashing that game :D
2016-09-22T14:39:24 < dongs> ingress > pokemon
2016-09-22T14:39:41 < zyp> dongs plays ingress?
2016-09-22T14:40:17 < dongs> only when driving around
2016-09-22T14:40:31 < Emil> Anycase, to get an effective fire control system I would need to sample the motor power consumption and or some other scalar. Basing motor control on a model theory without feedback guarantees shit performance
2016-09-22T14:41:20 < Emil> (mosfet => fire control system)
2016-09-22T14:41:56 < stvn> the pumping apparatus
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2016-09-22T14:52:47 < Ecco> I don't understand how the LDO is being used here: https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/images/appnotes/3014/3014Fig02.gif
2016-09-22T14:53:35 < Emil> Ecco: ?
2016-09-22T14:53:47 < Emil> What's the problem?
2016-09-22T14:53:48 < zyp> Ecco, constant current supply
2016-09-22T14:54:05 < Ecco> My understanding is that LDO supplies a constant voltage
2016-09-22T14:54:10 < Emil> Ecco: that is true
2016-09-22T14:54:26 < Ecco> some LDOs come with a probe that let them measure the target voltage
2016-09-22T14:54:30 < Ecco> and adapt accordingly
2016-09-22T14:54:41 < Emil> Ecco: what is the problem with that circuit?
2016-09-22T14:55:01 < Ecco> I don't think there's anyproblem
2016-09-22T14:55:04 < Emil> It is a pwm controlled led driver, nothing more
2016-09-22T14:55:04 < Ecco> I just don't understand what it does
2016-09-22T14:55:19 < Ecco> What's the point of the LDO?
2016-09-22T14:55:27 < Emil> To regulate the voltage
2016-09-22T14:55:33 < Ecco> but… why?
2016-09-22T14:55:40 < Ecco> I mean, I understand the whole LED + ballast mechanism
2016-09-22T14:55:51 < zyp> like I said, it's used as a constant current supply
2016-09-22T14:55:55 < karlp> I think using an LDO as a constant current source like that is even in horowitz and hill
2016-09-22T14:56:10 < Emil> zyp: that's not a constant current supply
2016-09-22T14:56:17 < PeterM> emil it is
2016-09-22T14:56:22 < zyp> Emil, sure it is
2016-09-22T14:56:27 < Emil> And how?
2016-09-22T14:56:31 < Emil> It is pwm controlled
2016-09-22T14:56:38 < zyp> that's irrelevant
2016-09-22T14:56:42 < Emil> :DDD
2016-09-22T14:56:52 < PeterM> it's keeping the feedback divider at the votlage between the 3 resistors, the 50 ohm resistor is going to be above ground by howmuch ever current is goign through it
2016-09-22T14:57:01 < zyp> the point is that the current gives the voltage across that 50R that's used as a reference voltage
2016-09-22T14:57:14 < Emil> zyp: it is a constant voltage supply
2016-09-22T14:57:20 < PeterM> emil no it isnt
2016-09-22T14:57:29 < zyp> depends how you look at it
2016-09-22T14:57:38 < PeterM> because its output servos the voltage depending on the curernt goign throug hthe r50
2016-09-22T14:57:40 < Ecco> So just to understand things right
2016-09-22T14:57:51 < Emil> zyp: that we can agree on
2016-09-22T14:57:56 < Ecco> do we agree that the "SET" pin is the pin the LDO measures to know if it should increase or decrease VOUT?
2016-09-22T14:58:06 < Emil> Ecco: yes
2016-09-22T14:58:07 < Ecco> ok     
2016-09-22T14:58:17 < Ecco> Then I can try to work from this and understand how it works
2016-09-22T14:58:17 < zyp> I mean, you can argue that it's a constant voltage supply, given that the voltage doesn't change if you hook more led branches onto it
2016-09-22T14:58:47 < zyp> but the voltage is still regulated to one that gives a desired constant current per led branch, assuming that all led branches are fairly equal
2016-09-22T14:58:58 < PeterM> zyp  no, because if branches =0 then vout goes up
2016-09-22T14:59:07 < PeterM> so its not constant votlage
2016-09-22T14:59:36 < zyp> don't be silly
2016-09-22T14:59:42 < PeterM> im not being silly
2016-09-22T15:01:58 < Ecco> I've a vocabulary question : led sink current == current the LED will be fed (and use to emit light)?
2016-09-22T15:02:27 < zyp> yeah
2016-09-22T15:03:03 < Ecco> thanks
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2016-09-22T15:08:49 < stvn> Ecco, what leds are you doing
2016-09-22T15:10:22 < Ecco> LCD backlight
2016-09-22T15:11:29 < stvn> cool
2016-09-22T15:16:36 < stvn> i like technology
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2016-09-22T15:18:49 < stvn> i want a foot
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2016-09-22T15:19:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/PqXEXRn.png todays altidongs innovation
2016-09-22T15:21:39 < PeterM> nice
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2016-09-22T15:27:23  * Laurenceb__ emails cuckerberg
2016-09-22T15:27:39 < Laurenceb__>  "yo, how many diseases did you cure today, still on target?"
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2016-09-22T15:30:27 < Laurenceb__> Trump: "I'll cure everything twice as fast and make the germs pay for it!"
2016-09-22T15:33:34 < dongs> Laurenceb__ is gonna vote for trump
2016-09-22T15:33:47 < Laurenceb__> yup     
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2016-09-22T15:47:15 < Laurenceb__> mexico will pay
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2016-09-22T15:56:03 < kakimir> https://twitter.com/EnglishRussia1/status/778340681349726208 russian logistics
2016-09-22T15:59:16 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbBkAdNc88w
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2016-09-22T17:45:05 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/wNObwimthF0?t=52s
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2016-09-22T17:47:30 < Rob235> I was just pointing out the trick at 52 seconds, wouldn't have thought of that
2016-09-22T17:48:01 < Ecco> I'm wondering how side-looking SMT LEDs are soldered
2016-09-22T17:48:18 < Ecco> I mean, can the SMT machine make them stand still on their edge?
2016-09-22T17:48:59 < Ecco> ok nvm stupid questions
2016-09-22T17:51:44 < kakimir> what was that 3d hub called where all the 3d electronics?
2016-09-22T17:51:50 < kakimir> for kikecad?
2016-09-22T17:52:54 < kakimir> I even registered for that bitz
2016-09-22T17:53:11 < kakimir> 3dcontentcentral
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2016-09-22T17:54:37 < kakimir> threere is even reverse ones
2016-09-22T17:55:02 < kakimir> make a hole in the middle of 1210 footprint or so
2016-09-22T17:55:50 < kakimir> solder it on and you have led another side of the board
2016-09-22T17:56:27 < Ecco> oh, wow, no idea those existed
2016-09-22T17:57:22 < kakimir> you can do totaly unnecesary things with those
2016-09-22T17:57:47 < kakimir> make the pcb be same time a front panel
2016-09-22T17:57:49 < kakimir> etc     
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2016-09-22T18:20:44 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/NJLad3JB3AY?t=4m10s
2016-09-22T18:20:47 < Rob235> wait 7 seconds
2016-09-22T18:20:50 < Rob235> girl flashes her titties
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2016-09-22T18:33:43 < Laurenceb__> lul     
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2016-09-22T18:34:13 < kakimir> now real kicad rage pcbs
2016-09-22T18:34:55 < Laurenceb__> how did ugly fat guy score all those grrrls
2016-09-22T18:35:02 < Laurenceb__> maybe they all have aids
2016-09-22T18:35:03 < Rob235> MONEY
2016-09-22T18:35:04 < kakimir> money
2016-09-22T18:35:21 < Rob235> they are on a boat and most of those women have implants, except the big girl
2016-09-22T18:35:43 < Laurenceb__> like a floating harem
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2016-09-22T18:37:03 < Tectu> Hi folks
2016-09-22T18:37:09 < Tectu> how's dem props?
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2016-09-22T18:37:21 < kakimir> props are hell
2016-09-22T18:37:59 < kakimir> do not forget to irc
2016-09-22T18:38:24 < Tectu> screw IRC
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2016-09-22T18:38:46 < Ecco> Hey :)
2016-09-22T18:38:49 < Ecco> Question
2016-09-22T18:38:55 < Ecco> Using a DC-DC converter
2016-09-22T18:39:04 < Ecco> at theoretical 100% efficiency
2016-09-22T18:39:10 < Ecco> input at 3V, 100 mA
2016-09-22T18:39:13 < Ecco> output at 5V
2016-09-22T18:39:28 < Ecco> the current should be 100*(3/5), right?
2016-09-22T18:39:45 < Ecco> And the other way round, input at 5V output at 3V, the current should be input_current*(5/3)
2016-09-22T18:39:48 < Ecco> is that correct?
2016-09-22T18:40:14 < Ecco> (i.e. input power (v_in*i_in) == output power (v_in*i_in))
2016-09-22T18:40:23 < Tectu> yes     
2016-09-22T18:40:24 < kakimir> sure thing
2016-09-22T18:40:28 < Ecco> great thanks
2016-09-22T18:40:57 < Tectu> efficiency is the ration of  power_out / power_in
2016-09-22T18:41:02 < Tectu> and power is  U * I
2016-09-22T18:41:05 < Ecco> perfect
2016-09-22T18:41:12 < Ecco> Yeah, that was my understanding but I just wanted to make sure
2016-09-22T18:41:19 < Tectu> yeah, you got it right :)
2016-09-22T18:41:26 < Ecco> thanks
2016-09-22T18:41:53 < Rob235> hmm     
2016-09-22T18:42:30 < Rob235> ok, todays the day man... I must get my semi-autotune (yea yea think about some singing for a sec) done
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2016-09-22T18:45:51 < Rob235> ahh perfect weather today
2016-09-22T18:46:21 < kakimir> old projects need final touches
2016-09-22T18:46:46 < kakimir> to have bursts of pcb orders
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2016-09-22T19:33:09 < kakimir> R2COM: always irssi
2016-09-22T19:37:05 < Rob235> I use textual
2016-09-22T19:37:58 < kakimir> could you telnet irssi?
2016-09-22T19:38:01 < kakimir> irc     
2016-09-22T19:38:04 < kakimir> *     
2016-09-22T19:38:27 < aandrew> I've IRC'd over telnet. it's noisy
2016-09-22T19:38:30 < aandrew> but it's not impossible
2016-09-22T19:38:50 < kakimir> http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/h/1963
2016-09-22T19:39:10 < kakimir> just mental
2016-09-22T19:49:28 < kakimir> does dot in a led mean anode or cathode?
2016-09-22T19:49:36 < kakimir> or pin one maybe
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2016-09-22T19:59:21 < LeelooMinai> Usually cathode
2016-09-22T19:59:29 < LeelooMinai> But don't count on it
2016-09-22T20:00:12 < LeelooMinai> On SMDs you may also see something like that: _|_ <- then the | part points to cathode
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2016-09-22T20:01:01 < LeelooMinai> The safest way is just to check with DMM though
2016-09-22T20:01:19 < LeelooMinai> Or a battery + resistor
2016-09-22T20:03:52 < LeelooMinai> Right, though sometimes they are unclear/confusing
2016-09-22T20:04:28 < LeelooMinai> With SMDs you can even check "by eye" - the cathode part is much larger, so you can see it.
2016-09-22T20:04:51 < LeelooMinai> I guess with TH too, but TH have also "coding by pin length"
2016-09-22T20:05:02 < LeelooMinai> Or lead length
2016-09-22T20:05:35 < LeelooMinai> Cathode is cut shorter
2016-09-22T20:06:44 < LeelooMinai> You can see with TH ones that the mass of the cathode pin inside the dome is larger - so that's another method.
2016-09-22T20:07:02 < LeelooMinai> O, right, and another is that the dome with TH is cut flat on the cathode side:)
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2016-09-22T20:09:16 < LeelooMinai> Wait, there's more! Forgot that sometimes on SMDs they will put a green triangle underside. It points to cathode too.
2016-09-22T20:10:32 < Thorn> http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/permits/incidental/research/spacex_2016iha_app.pdf
2016-09-22T20:10:38 < Thorn> >Incidental Harassment Authorization Application
2016-09-22T20:21:35 < LeelooMinai> Should have a jumping horse as  the logo
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2016-09-22T21:11:56 < gxti> except when it points to the anode
2016-09-22T21:12:37 < gxti> sometimes two part numbers from the same manufacter are identical except the arrow points the other way because screw you that's why
2016-09-22T21:12:41 < BrainDamage> put half in one direction, half in the other
2016-09-22T21:12:42 < LeelooMinai> In most cases it points to cathode. As I wrote. safest way is just to check.
2016-09-22T21:13:01 < BrainDamage> then replace the burned ones
2016-09-22T21:13:20 < aandrew> oh god
2016-09-22T21:13:24 < aandrew> don't ever trust SMT LEDs
2016-09-22T21:13:28 < aandrew> or even TH LEDs
2016-09-22T21:13:40 < LeelooMinai> BTW, that M1K board I got is also nice for checking the brightness of LEDs - it's perfect as it can source constant current and measure voltage at the same time.
2016-09-22T21:13:41 < aandrew> I ohm out one from the strip I'm going to solder
2016-09-22T21:14:03 < aandrew> and 99% of the time it indicates cathode, but if you don't do it you know you're gonna be resoldering them
2016-09-22T21:14:06 < gxti> it's never bitten me before, i just find it amusing
2016-09-22T21:14:10 < Thorn> you can use a lab psu for that
2016-09-22T21:14:15 < Thorn> wtf is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bczn_1S8SYo
2016-09-22T21:14:46 < LeelooMinai> Well, probably the safest visual method is looking at the led die - cathode will have large area.
2016-09-22T21:15:02 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: lab psu won't be $40:)
2016-09-22T21:15:44 < Thorn> you're supposed to already have one
2016-09-22T21:15:59 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: My guess is it's 10 exploiding barrels
2016-09-22T21:16:11 < BrainDamage> here they do that with acetylene gas, you put some water in the barrel and throw in calcium carbide, then apply flame
2016-09-22T21:16:12 < gxti> diode check on multimeter works too. although then i start mindgaming myself about which way around the leads go
2016-09-22T21:16:16 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: It's still not as convenient - probably not programmable, etc.
2016-09-22T21:16:56 < LeelooMinai> gxti: That's not 100% sure too - especially with white/blue diodes - some DMMs won't handle them (maybe even most DMMs)
2016-09-22T21:17:06 < gxti> yeah true
2016-09-22T21:17:16 < gxti> i don't do lighting and blue leds are evil
2016-09-22T21:18:01 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I've been bitten by that as well on TH leds (the "cup" is always cathode, except when it isn't
2016-09-22T21:18:19 < gxti> time to give up and go back to neons
2016-09-22T21:18:20 < LeelooMinai> lol at the barrels video - one of them lands like Falcon X - in the same spot and upright - magic...
2016-09-22T21:18:38 < Thorn> diode check rarely goes up to blue led bandgap (~2.7V)
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2016-09-22T21:28:07 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdTg1bFJUeE43RmM/view?usp=sharing my first panelized stuff
2016-09-22T21:28:13 < kakimir> babbys first
2016-09-22T21:28:43 < kakimir> fails to show slots at ends
2016-09-22T21:28:56 < kakimir> routed slots
2016-09-22T21:29:57 < LeelooMinai> Man, that police in US is scary:: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSt7JUs_D_4
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2016-09-22T21:32:22 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: What is this thing?
2016-09-22T21:35:03 < kakimir> ultra low power step down source for lipo powered stuff
2016-09-22T21:35:10 < kakimir> *supply not source
2016-09-22T21:36:08 < kakimir> uv alarm output and lockout function
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2016-09-22T21:36:17 < kakimir> shutdown input
2016-09-22T21:36:23 < kakimir> boot button
2016-09-22T21:37:48 < kakimir> stackable for sharing stuff but the regulator itself for creating multiple voltagelevels
2016-09-22T21:38:30 < kakimir> inverted battery protection and in-rush limiter
2016-09-22T21:39:12 < kakimir> switchable leds
2016-09-22T21:40:06 < kakimir> and finally powergood output
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2016-09-22T21:42:07 < Steffanx> Why 5/6TB disks only change 10% in price in about a year time. 
2016-09-22T21:42:10 < Rob235> I hate you all
2016-09-22T21:42:15 < Steffanx> i love you too asshole.
2016-09-22T21:42:24 < Rob235> just joking
2016-09-22T21:42:29 < Rob235> I love you 
2016-09-22T21:42:32 < Steffanx> :P     
2016-09-22T21:42:51 < Steffanx> Hows mr Rob235?
2016-09-22T21:43:42 < Rob235> not bad.  about to read through my semi-auto pid tuning code to see if I forgot anything, if all looks well I'll take it out for a test later
2016-09-22T21:43:51 < Rob235> how's everything goin with you
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2016-09-22T21:48:17 < Steffanx> Not too bad here either. Not reading through the semi-auto pid tuning code i dont have.
2016-09-22T21:48:47 < Rob235> hmm, right now it only pauses if any joystick except throttle is changed.  maybe I should make it pause if throttle is changed more than x
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2016-09-22T21:55:26 < Rob235> I'm terrified of testing this
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2016-09-22T22:06:10 < ReadErr> look bruv
2016-09-22T22:06:14 < ReadErr> if you scared to to church
2016-09-22T22:06:36 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZhpgzIz6Sk
2016-09-22T22:06:39 < ReadErr> classssssiic
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2016-09-22T22:10:41 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4UqMyldS7Q
2016-09-22T22:10:47 < ReadErr> hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggghhhh
2016-09-22T22:16:21 < Rob235> alright, too much throttle adjustment pauses the semi-auto now
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2016-09-22T22:36:30 < Steffanx> are you on drugs ReadErr?
2016-09-22T22:37:29 < ReadErr> nope
2016-09-22T22:37:42 < Steffanx> ok, just askin.
2016-09-22T22:37:47 < ReadErr> actually havent even smoked ganj in like, 4 days
2016-09-22T22:39:55 < PaulFertser> LOL     
2016-09-22T22:39:57 < ReadErr> Think I will tonight/now though
2016-09-22T22:40:10 < ReadErr> I fixed my airconditioner today
2016-09-22T22:40:15 < ReadErr> so thats something
2016-09-22T22:41:44 < ReadErr> sad part is, its not because I ran out
2016-09-22T22:41:53 < ReadErr> I just didnt feel like it and had too much shit going on
2016-09-22T22:41:59 < ReadErr> guess this is what growing up is like ;(
2016-09-22T22:42:24 < gxti> it's sad that that's the sad part to you ;p
2016-09-22T22:43:35 < ReadErr> lul whys that
2016-09-22T22:43:49 < ReadErr> man, in a few years ill be a bitter ole man like dongs
2016-09-22T22:43:56 < ReadErr> angry at the world
2016-09-22T22:44:02 < PaulFertser> Smoking is not innovative enough
2016-09-22T22:45:02 < PaulFertser> The world gave dongs that wonderful software called windows and other pro soft and hardware tools and shit, he's not angry at the world, he's happy with it.
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2016-09-22T22:48:09 < ReadErr> PaulFertser: I will have you know, I was one of the first true vapist
2016-09-22T22:48:26 < ReadErr> back then, it was innovating 
2016-09-22T22:48:43 < Steffanx> i never really understood why people smoke anything :P
2016-09-22T22:48:54 < ReadErr> well
2016-09-22T22:49:05 < ReadErr> theres a few reasons
2016-09-22T22:49:11 < ReadErr> vaporizers can be $$$
2016-09-22T22:49:20 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: don't you enjoy some alcohol occassionally?
2016-09-22T22:49:36 < ReadErr> a pack of papers is $1
2016-09-22T22:49:45 < ReadErr> and and you can easily toss them
2016-09-22T22:50:39 < ReadErr> scorping is old
2016-09-22T22:50:52 < ReadErr> once you mix in that spirder
2016-09-22T22:50:57 < ReadErr> spider 
2016-09-22T22:51:15 < ReadErr> exponential 
2016-09-22T22:51:15 < Steffanx> sure PaulFertser, but never enough to really make it feel me any different.
2016-09-22T22:51:39 < ReadErr> Steffanx: come to america
2016-09-22T22:51:48 < ReadErr> we can dance with the gnomes
2016-09-22T22:51:57 < ReadErr> and tree people
2016-09-22T22:52:04 < ReadErr> or fly through space
2016-09-22T22:52:16 < Steffanx> Not sure what i would need for that. Mushrooms?
2016-09-22T22:52:32 < ReadErr> DMT     
2016-09-22T22:52:33 < ReadErr> I got u 
2016-09-22T22:52:48 < ReadErr> some good books on this stuff
2016-09-22T22:54:08 < Steffanx>  "Permanent psychosis" hell yeah. 
2016-09-22T22:54:24 < ReadErr> nhhh
2016-09-22T22:55:12 < PaulFertser> And creepy flashbacks
2016-09-22T22:55:27 < kakimir> dmt is nothing smoked
2016-09-22T22:55:45 < Steffanx> I prefer to keep both of my feet on the ground.
2016-09-22T22:56:20 < ReadErr> kakimir: the fuck you talkijng abouut
2016-09-22T22:57:06 < kakimir> I don't know if I smoked it enought
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2016-09-22T22:59:12 < kakimir> *vaped
2016-09-22T22:59:40 < kakimir> I need ultra low power lcd meter for battery
2016-09-22T22:59:47 < kakimir> that can be left connected
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2016-09-22T23:02:54 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-New-12V-Lead-Acid-Lithium-Battery-Tester-LCD-Display-With-Housing-/252469707882 such as this but without backlight and all that consumption
2016-09-22T23:03:12 < kakimir> maybe should see the current draw with backlight soldered off
2016-09-22T23:05:04 < Thorn> anybody actually using this setup (or maybe some more modern equivalent) https://youtu.be/WxhjLIu-vPg?t=3m43s
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2016-09-22T23:10:49 < PaulFertser> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin "I understood that our entire universe is contained in the mind and the spirit. We may choose not to find access to it, we may even deny its existence, but it is indeed there inside us" Steffanx, do you understand what you're missing?
2016-09-22T23:11:19 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/pcs0jto.jpg
2016-09-22T23:12:27 < Steffanx> I'm not sure I really miss anything PaulFertser. Do you really miss anything when you dont feel the need to?
2016-09-22T23:12:35 < Thorn> related to https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/4b606af7a38b0fde00f11b1a3b998c67100e7c68/smps-beaky-rules.txt
2016-09-22T23:15:20 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I meant miss as in "To fail to achieve or attain."
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2016-09-22T23:15:41 < PaulFertser> But you can say you can't fail when you have no intent to do it.
2016-09-22T23:17:46 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ld8ms3h6w8 didn't know that how important good diode is in regulator
2016-09-22T23:19:54 < Laurenceb__> lul     
2016-09-22T23:19:55 < kakimir> I happen to be going for high freq regus
2016-09-22T23:19:56 < Laurenceb__> https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/53y1wi/a_redditor_was_arrested_and_fined_for_an/?st=ites0n4i&sh=e6da5008
2016-09-22T23:20:05 < Laurenceb__> reddit: not even once
2016-09-22T23:20:33 < Steffanx> Hows the horse shit going Laurenceb__?
2016-09-22T23:20:44 < Laurenceb__> not working on it atm
2016-09-22T23:20:51 < Laurenceb__> its more or less finished
2016-09-22T23:20:56 < Steffanx> you mean: not working atm?
2016-09-22T23:21:22 < Steffanx> what would that guy talk about on defcon24 anyway?
2016-09-22T23:21:51 < Laurenceb__> lul     
2016-09-22T23:21:52 < Steffanx> My story: How i became a professional grumpy lunix basher?
2016-09-22T23:22:00 < Steffanx> *hater
2016-09-22T23:23:24 < Rob235> 170 lines left to go through :)
2016-09-22T23:23:54 < Rob235> I feel sorry for you guys having to listen to me basically talking to myself
2016-09-22T23:24:29 < Steffanx> We are used to it. More people in here do that.
2016-09-22T23:25:21 < Rob235> its helpful.  
2016-09-22T23:28:41 < Steffanx> Im a good listener Rob235
2016-09-22T23:28:51 < Rob235> thanks bud :)
2016-09-22T23:28:52 < Steffanx> or pretending to do that.
2016-09-22T23:29:06 < Rob235> either works for me
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2016-09-22T23:48:03 < Rob235> eww, have fun
2016-09-22T23:49:42 < Rob235> screw it, I don't feel like reading anymore, I should just take it out and test it
2016-09-22T23:49:55 < Rob235> what's the worst that could happen?
2016-09-22T23:51:30 < Rob235> if it explodes or flies away... it didnt work
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2016-09-22T23:55:13 < jadew> englishman, that guy talks about hacking as if he can break into anything
2016-09-22T23:55:32 < jadew> he and the guys at that conference
2016-09-22T23:57:53 < jadew> my bet is that most of the people on this channel are much better equipped to hack something than any of those guys
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2016-09-23T00:01:13 < Rob235> not me :)
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2016-09-23T00:05:34 < jadew> it's a matter of knowledge
2016-09-23T00:06:20 < jadew> hacking is rarely done by competent people, because it doesn't present that "wow" effect for them
2016-09-23T00:07:29 < jadew> there's nothing spectacular in generating a buffer overflow and injecting some random code in there and it's even less spectacular to use someone else's script to do it
2016-09-23T00:07:46 < Laurenceb__> heh     
2016-09-23T00:07:52 < Laurenceb__> yeah the hacking guys are annoying
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2016-09-23T00:09:28 < Laurenceb__> but not as much as Cuckerberg
2016-09-23T00:09:39 < Laurenceb__> apparently he cured another 9000 diseases today
2016-09-23T00:09:42 < Laurenceb__>  /jk
2016-09-23T00:10:46 < jadew> englishman, lol
2016-09-23T00:10:52 < jadew> funny you mention that
2016-09-23T00:11:11 < jadew> I discovered my previous wireless keyboard used a NRF24 IC
2016-09-23T00:11:23 < jadew> and I managed to sniff it and emulate it
2016-09-23T00:11:27 < jadew> does that make me a hacker?
2016-09-23T00:11:32 < karlp> I thought defcon had gotten over their, "I opened up this device I had and OMG it has like a mcu in it! and I can reprogram that mcu! OMG"
2016-09-23T00:12:01 < karlp> the local case opening jtag using "hacks" are fuckign boring as fuck, I truly thought even defcon had gotten over it :(
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2016-09-23T00:12:46 < jadew> englishman, the point is that I did it to achieve a particular goal and there are a lot of people capable of doing it, it's just they don't brand it as "hacking" and start braging about it
2016-09-23T00:12:51 < jadew> simply because it's not worth braging about
2016-09-23T00:13:29 < jadew> also, because you manage to get into something that's not particularly well protected, doesn't mean you can get into something that is
2016-09-23T00:13:39 < jadew> which is what that guy seems to think he's capable of doing
2016-09-23T00:15:29 < jadew> I recently got into a device I'm planning to work with, removed the NAND IC where it was storing its data, got the firmware, got access to the password hash, brute forced it and it turns out I now have root access to all the devices like that one :P
2016-09-23T00:15:32 < jadew> still not hacking
2016-09-23T00:15:38 < jadew> I only did it as part of a project
2016-09-23T00:16:29 < jadew> I mean, it's only hacking if you do it with some weird intentions
2016-09-23T00:16:33 < jadew> and you brand it as such
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2016-09-23T00:17:50 < jadew> and the point I'm trying to make is that most people that do actual work which involves debugging or reverse engineering are miles away from those guys at that conference
2016-09-23T00:18:33 < jadew> but I don't think they'd dare act so smug about it "we can break into anything"
2016-09-23T00:18:36 < jadew> that's bullshit
2016-09-23T00:19:39 < jadew> anyway, I just find the attitude annoying
2016-09-23T00:19:56 < jadew> engineers > hackers
2016-09-23T00:22:06 < jadew> probably the guys that work for NSA are actual hackers
2016-09-23T00:22:19 < Thorn> >bnc to probe tip adapter
2016-09-23T00:22:23 < jadew> as in engineers with intent
2016-09-23T00:22:32 < Thorn> didn't know they existed
2016-09-23T00:22:39 < jadew> Thorn, yeah, they do
2016-09-23T00:22:42 < jadew> found some cheap?
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2016-09-23T00:25:19 < Thorn> not really
2016-09-23T00:25:29 < Thorn> when do you use these anyway
2016-09-23T00:25:46 < Thorn> probes are 10MOhms
2016-09-23T00:26:14 < jadew> exactly
2016-09-23T00:26:22 < jadew> you don't get reflection issues
2016-09-23T00:29:18 < jadew> for example if you have some point that's 50 Ohm and you want to probe it, you can't just throw a T in there and connect a BNC cable to the scope
2016-09-23T00:34:57 < Thorn> oh ok I see
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2016-09-23T00:42:54 < jadew> anyone wanna play worms reloaded?
2016-09-23T00:43:04 < Rob235> WHOP WHOp WHop Whop whop  whop   whop   whop 
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2016-09-23T00:45:08 < jadew> R2COM?
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2016-09-23T01:07:14 < Ecco> hm, I'm having the weirdest issue
2016-09-23T01:07:29 < Ecco> I'm using a charge pump to drive white LEDs from a LiPo cell
2016-09-23T01:08:28 < Ecco> LiPo <-- 3.7V --> Charge-Pump <-- 5.0V --> Ballast resistor <-- 3.2V --> LED <--- GND
2016-09-23T01:08:47 < LeelooMinai> Charge pumps are usually weak in terms of current supplied <- an anticipatory note:)
2016-09-23T01:08:51 < Ecco> 80 mA flows through the LEDs
2016-09-23T01:09:21 < zyp> sounds stupid, why not use a constant current sink driver?
2016-09-23T01:09:26 < Ecco> 440 mA out of the LiPo
2016-09-23T01:09:31 < Ecco> Why such a huge difference?
2016-09-23T01:09:40 < zyp> how are you measuring?
2016-09-23T01:09:47 < Ecco> Using an ammeter
2016-09-23T01:10:05 < zyp> that's not averaging correctly, I bed
2016-09-23T01:10:05 < Ecco> in series
2016-09-23T01:10:15 < Ecco> oh     
2016-09-23T01:10:31 < zyp> bet*
2016-09-23T01:10:34 < Ecco> interesting
2016-09-23T01:10:54 < LeelooMinai> That's a bad setup in any case - full of energy waste.
2016-09-23T01:10:55 < Ecco> It's supposedly a not-too-bad ammeter
2016-09-23T01:11:06 < Ecco> Yeah, it's not a very good setup, but it's dirt cheap
2016-09-23T01:11:23 < Ecco> (the IC is very cheap and uses only caps)
2016-09-23T01:11:31 < zyp> LeelooMinai, already said that :)
2016-09-23T01:11:54 < LeelooMinai> Right, ok, just looking with a corner of my eye
2016-09-23T01:12:05 < LeelooMinai> The cener of vision is on Fusion360:)
2016-09-23T01:12:27 < LeelooMinai> The right corner on a datasheet
2016-09-23T01:12:31 < zyp> usually you'd use a switching reg to get better efficiency than a linear reg, but here it's used to make it more inefficient
2016-09-23T01:12:34 < LeelooMinai> And I pet my cat with a foot, so...
2016-09-23T01:12:35 < Ecco> zyp: How can I make sure the ammeter is measuring poorly?
2016-09-23T01:12:43 < zyp> dunno
2016-09-23T01:12:47 < Ecco> ok     
2016-09-23T01:12:52 < zyp> try measuring current with a scope instead
2016-09-23T01:12:56 < Ecco> ok     
2016-09-23T01:13:09 < Ecco> well I had no idea scopes did that
2016-09-23T01:13:09 < zyp> throw a resistor in series, measure voltage over it with a scope
2016-09-23T01:13:11 < Ecco> I hope mine does
2016-09-23T01:13:15 < Ecco> ok indeed
2016-09-23T01:13:18 < LeelooMinai> Buck-boost probably 
2016-09-23T01:13:41 < LeelooMinai> But I think buck should work with lipo
2016-09-23T01:13:54 < LeelooMinai> Since at 3V it's dead anyway (?)
2016-09-23T01:14:04 < Ecco> Yeah, you don't want to go below 3V
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2016-09-23T01:15:02 < zyp> yeah
2016-09-23T01:15:30 < zyp> in my experience, at low loads there's not much point in draining it further than 3.5V
2016-09-23T01:16:41 < LeelooMinai> Ideally CC led driver should be there
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2016-09-23T02:32:09 < upgrdman> anyone used MLCCs with U2J dielectrics? "U2J is an extremely stable dielectric material that exhibits a negligible shift in capacitance with respect to voltage."
2016-09-23T02:32:53 < aandrew> upgrdman: interesting
2016-09-23T02:32:55 < upgrdman> o nm, seems theyre for smallish caps
2016-09-23T02:33:01 < upgrdman> biggest one i see is 0.33uF
2016-09-23T02:33:11 < upgrdman> was on some e14 email ad
2016-09-23T02:33:51 < upgrdman> was hoping this would be like 50-500uF but better than the shit dielectrics that derate to shit with DC bias
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2016-09-23T02:37:37 < upgrdman> lol https://www.cnet.com/news/yahoo-500-million-accounts-hacked-data-breach/
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2016-09-23T03:40:47 < jadew> you ran for 3 hours?
2016-09-23T03:45:18 < jadew> what's the 10 minutes?
2016-09-23T03:45:34 < jadew> got it
2016-09-23T03:45:41 < jadew> and you walk there?
2016-09-23T03:46:15 < jadew> is this a new development or you've been doing it for a long time?
2016-09-23T03:46:40 < jadew> I want to go running too, but I don't know what's normal and the park I go to is huge
2016-09-23T03:46:54 < jadew> I feel like a loser for getting super tired after just one tour
2016-09-23T03:47:17 < jadew> but I could do 25 minutes
2016-09-23T03:48:05 < jadew> not on the gym days
2016-09-23T03:48:59 < jadew> I'm the skinniest guy at the gym
2016-09-23T03:50:14 < jadew> so it all comes down to sexual performance?
2016-09-23T03:50:31 < jadew> I guess I should have paid more attention in sex ed
2016-09-23T03:51:02 < jadew> sure it can
2016-09-23T03:51:09 < jadew> my math teacher tought me well
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2016-09-23T03:51:34 < jadew> well, she wasn't exactly my math teacher, but she thought at my school
2016-09-23T03:51:49 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-23T03:51:58 < jadew> for an entire year
2016-09-23T03:52:05 < jadew> she was my first
2016-09-23T03:52:10 < jadew> so you could say that
2016-09-23T03:52:27 < jadew> 28     
2016-09-23T03:52:40 < Kerr-m> Hey, what software do I need to use an stlinkv2 ?
2016-09-23T03:53:14 < jadew> R2COM, yeah, it's not like you would imagine tho
2016-09-23T03:53:25 < jadew> now that I look back on it, it was a weird experience
2016-09-23T03:53:51 < jadew> well, I fell inlove with her, she with me (keept calling me years after we broke up)
2016-09-23T03:54:03 < jadew> it was a sick relationship
2016-09-23T03:54:18 < jadew> I was 14-15 yo
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2016-09-23T03:54:55 < jadew> she used to have guilt crysis
2016-09-23T03:55:22 < jadew> on the other hand she was smoking hot and I was like... full nerd
2016-09-23T03:55:32 < jadew> so it was an amazing ego boost
2016-09-23T03:55:52 < jadew> why do you think? she was screwing a kid
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2016-09-23T03:56:42 < jadew> *guilt cryses
2016-09-23T03:56:49 < jadew> how do you spell that?
2016-09-23T03:56:51 < jadew> cryses?
2016-09-23T03:56:56 < jadew> crises
2016-09-23T03:57:00 < jadew> crisis
2016-09-23T03:57:01 < jadew> thanks
2016-09-23T03:57:35 < jadew> my parents eventually found and that's how I left my home town
2016-09-23T03:57:38 < dongs> wat     
2016-09-23T03:58:08 < jadew> we moved
2016-09-23T03:58:34 < jadew> so I wouldn't see her anymore
2016-09-23T03:59:13 < jadew> they were planning to move anyway, but I was supposed to stay there for a couple more years with my grandparents
2016-09-23T03:59:25 < jadew> we moved 200 km away
2016-09-23T03:59:32 < jadew> that's a long bus ride
2016-09-23T04:00:07 < jadew> I thought I'm going to marry her
2016-09-23T04:00:14 < jadew> lol     
2016-09-23T04:00:38 < aandrew> 200km in Romania is practically halfway across the country
2016-09-23T04:01:01 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-23T04:01:30 < jadew> no     
2016-09-23T04:01:45 < jadew> but when I was involved with her, I thought I'd never love someone again like that
2016-09-23T04:02:25 < jadew> not really, I don't look back with fondness or anything
2016-09-23T04:02:42 < jadew> it was just weird
2016-09-23T04:02:53 < jadew> lots of mind games and shit like that
2016-09-23T04:03:54 < aandrew> I just know any IDE that has downloads for all three OSes will be Eclipse based
2016-09-23T04:03:55 < aandrew> ugh     
2016-09-23T04:04:12 < jadew> or Qt?
2016-09-23T04:04:27 < aandrew> LPCexpresso
2016-09-23T04:04:35 < aandrew> willing to bet it's eclipse
2016-09-23T04:06:16 < dongs> anything that supports other than windows is immediately garbage
2016-09-23T04:06:32 < jadew> lol     
2016-09-23T04:06:35 < dongs> cross-platform has only one real definition: works like shit on all platforms
2016-09-23T04:06:52 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2016-09-23T04:07:26 < dongs> k     
2016-09-23T04:08:05 < jadew> that's because MS is moving too fast
2016-09-23T04:08:19 < jadew> it's like every couple of years they come up with a new technology that's supposed to be "the best"
2016-09-23T04:08:27 < jadew> and slowly forget about their previous stuff
2016-09-23T04:08:37 < dongs> > qt
2016-09-23T04:08:40 < dongs> > easy to rpogram
2016-09-23T04:08:40 < dongs> k     
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2016-09-23T04:13:19 < Kerr-m> Hey could someone link me directly to the download for the ac6 utility for using stlink v2?
2016-09-23T04:13:35 < Kerr-m> I'm on mobile and having difficulty navigating the website
2016-09-23T04:13:50 < dongs> ac6 what? sw4stm32 thing?
2016-09-23T04:14:03 < dongs> i didnt need any special utility to use with stlink
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2016-09-23T04:15:36 < jadew> Kerr-m, are you taking a dump right now?
2016-09-23T04:16:01 < dongs> i am
2016-09-23T04:17:13 < jadew> R2COM, we didn't do anal and she didn't blow me
2016-09-23T04:18:15 < jadew> yeah... didn't do that with my next g/f either
2016-09-23T04:18:33 < jadew> it got into my head that I don't like bj's (which is false)
2016-09-23T04:19:29 < jadew> lol     
2016-09-23T04:19:37 < jadew> I'm working as we speak
2016-09-23T04:19:58 < LeelooMinai> I ordered scissors from Aliexpress 
2016-09-23T04:20:07 < jadew> what scissors did you get?
2016-09-23T04:20:20 < LeelooMinai> Now, you may ask why and why I write about it - I have no clue:p
2016-09-23T04:20:47 < jadew> I have a pair that came with a hair cutting machine
2016-09-23T04:20:56 < jadew> lol R2COM
2016-09-23T04:22:07 < LeelooMinai> NOrmal ones, like those but smaller: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10-5-Gold-Sewing-Cut-Dressmaking-Tailor-Shear-Pinking-Scissor-Leather-Craft-Fabric-Upholstery-Tool-Textile/32657931287.html
2016-09-23T04:22:18 < jadew> lol     
2016-09-23T04:22:32 < jadew> what's with that color?
2016-09-23T04:23:16 < jadew> R2COM, I noticed that too
2016-09-23T04:23:20 < LeelooMinai> I don't know... but I often need to cut paper, and other stuff, and all the scissors they sell in stores are made from can foil or something...
2016-09-23T04:23:45 < LeelooMinai> So I got fed up and otthered something hopefully normal...
2016-09-23T04:24:03 < LeelooMinai> englishman: Not really - at least not for reasonable quality ones.
2016-09-23T04:24:14 < jadew> LeelooMinai, that golden handle makes me think of some holy tailor
2016-09-23T04:24:22 < LeelooMinai> Big proper tailor ones can be pretty expensive...
2016-09-23T04:25:07 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Meh, I would order something newer and nicer, like L4 series if you need low power.
2016-09-23T04:25:11 < jadew> they do look nice
2016-09-23T04:25:46 < LeelooMinai> The ones I have from the dolar store bend when you oush them from the side:)
2016-09-23T04:26:06 < jadew> what do you cut with them anyway?
2016-09-23T04:26:19 < jadew> I only use mine to open stuff from aliexpress and ebay
2016-09-23T04:26:58 < LeelooMinai> Random paper=y stuff. For example, yesterday I needed to cut outline of a bracket I designed in Fusion360 for the CNC cover, so I could cut it on a table saw from an aluminum bar.
2016-09-23T04:27:53 < LeelooMinai> And the scissors I had instead of cutting were folding the paper - maybe they were designed for origami
2016-09-23T04:28:32 < LeelooMinai> Mankini, ok... no comment I guess
2016-09-23T04:28:52 < jadew> more like manwedgie
2016-09-23T04:29:31 < jadew> who would want to wear their underpants over their shoulders?
2016-09-23T04:29:50 < LeelooMinai> On the other hand, maybe I am weird by my first thought was "Hmm, maybe one could use that to make a slingshot"
2016-09-23T04:30:30 < jadew> so you're saying it can double as a self defense weapon?
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2016-09-23T04:31:03 < LeelooMinai> Right, you put the projectile in the bulgy part and make big circles with it, then realease, and boom...
2016-09-23T04:31:32 < jadew> or you can stay on your back and put your feet where the shoulders would be
2016-09-23T04:31:33 < dongs> looks like my proDMM is arriving today
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2016-09-23T04:31:44 < dongs> just in time for new revision of uA-drawing F401 pcb
2016-09-23T04:31:45 < jadew> dongs, the japanese one?
2016-09-23T04:31:47 < dongs> yeah
2016-09-23T04:31:53 < dongs> which also arrives around same time
2016-09-23T04:31:55 < LeelooMinai> What proDMM?
2016-09-23T04:32:18 < dongs> http://www.texio.co.jp/en/product/detail/2 this shit
2016-09-23T04:32:24 < dongs> i think its just rebranded instek or something who knows
2016-09-23T04:32:27 < dongs> but price was cheap
2016-09-23T04:32:57 < jadew> I don't think there are a lot of manufacturers that do 6 1/2 meters
2016-09-23T04:33:04 < LeelooMinai> You got that for the GPIB stuff?
2016-09-23T04:33:22 < dongs> LeelooMinai: it has usb..
2016-09-23T04:33:25 < LeelooMinai> I don't know - some people use those for produ tion
2016-09-23T04:33:25 < dongs> lol no fuck GPIB
2016-09-23T04:33:41 < LeelooMinai> I think they automate measurements through it
2016-09-23T04:33:44 < dongs> yeah
2016-09-23T04:33:52 < dongs> urrite
2016-09-23T04:34:37 < LeelooMinai> Yes, it's ancient, but I think it's like RS232 - it's still used in some setups that are not worth rebuilding for newer standards:)
2016-09-23T04:35:31 < jadew> it's a silly protocol
2016-09-23T04:35:51 < LeelooMinai> Also, with those 6.5 digits for it to be useful, one also needs to take care of calibration 
2016-09-23T04:35:51 < Kerr-m> R2	     
2016-09-23T04:35:53 < jadew> I made a GPIB 2 USB adapter and it sucks
2016-09-23T04:36:38 < Kerr-m> r2com i dont have either internet or cell service at home
2016-09-23T04:36:39 < LeelooMinai> Maybe USB timing sucks, as usually.
2016-09-23T04:36:54 < jadew> no, I didn't mean that my adapter sucks, the protocol does
2016-09-23T04:37:55 < jadew> it's complex enough that it's easy to screw up
2016-09-23T04:38:30 < Kerr-m> pretty much. cant get internet out here except verizon or satalite internet
2016-09-23T04:38:37 < jadew> but I guess that once you have it implemented it offers a lot of flexibility
2016-09-23T04:40:59 < Kerr-m> and im moving out in a few months
2016-09-23T04:41:07 < Kerr-m> idaho
2016-09-23T04:41:24 < jadew> Kerr-m, you mean moving in? because it sounds like you're already out :)
2016-09-23T04:42:09 < Kerr-m> I like it in the sticks
2016-09-23T04:42:23 < Kerr-m> Just nobody decent services out here
2016-09-23T04:44:38 < Kerr-m> There's internet at the house thru Verizon, but my roommates unplug the router and lock it away when I get home, saying I use too much bandwidth.
2016-09-23T04:44:53 < jadew> lol     
2016-09-23T04:45:00 < jadew> haha
2016-09-23T04:45:21 < Kerr-m> Yeah. Fuck those guys. I'm moving out asap... 
2016-09-23T04:45:27 < LeelooMinai> Humsn QOS
2016-09-23T04:45:35 < LeelooMinai> Human*
2016-09-23T04:46:13 < jadew> heh     
2016-09-23T04:46:24 < Kerr-m> PS I use networx to monitor my bandwidth usage, according to networx I used 4gb of bandwidth since February.
2016-09-23T04:46:59 < LeelooMinai> lol, my house uses 200GB montly
2016-09-23T04:47:00 < jadew> given what I know about Idaho (from here: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=idaho_blows)
2016-09-23T04:47:09 < jadew> and what you're describing, you should move out ASAP
2016-09-23T04:47:18 < Kerr-m> Its their rental, I'm the roommate technically.
2016-09-23T04:47:55 < LeelooMinai> They call him "That bandwidth sucker guy"
2016-09-23T04:47:59 < jadew> lol     
2016-09-23T04:48:12 < Kerr-m> (They have a video survailance system hooked up to the internet. That's TOTALLY not where the bandwidth is going)
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2016-09-23T04:49:22 < LeelooMinai> In Idaho those are called Wigwams, no? :p
2016-09-23T04:49:26 < Kerr-m> Hard to find one for less than 1k per month
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2016-09-23T04:49:44 < jadew> lol LeelooMinai
2016-09-23T04:50:04 < Kerr-m> Housing is undersupplied
2016-09-23T04:50:08 < jadew> 1k sounds awfully expensive
2016-09-23T04:50:58 < Kerr-m> There are some apartments for less, but I make just enough to not qualify for "affordable housing"
2016-09-23T04:51:03 < LeelooMinai> It is $500 tent, yes
2016-09-23T04:51:07 < LeelooMinai> rent*
2016-09-23T04:51:16 < jadew> can't you just buy a house?
2016-09-23T04:51:29 < jadew> and you can just sell it when you move
2016-09-23T04:51:34 < Kerr-m> I'm not sufficiently well established financially
2016-09-23T04:51:40 < jadew> if you stay there for a year, it's definitely worth it
2016-09-23T04:52:32 < jadew> still, given the rent, it sounds like a good option
2016-09-23T04:52:40 < Kerr-m> Long story short, I'm paying 60p per month to medical bills, and 500 to student loans
2016-09-23T04:52:48 < Kerr-m> 600*
2016-09-23T04:52:50 < LeelooMinai> Moving sucks... you have to start building your nerd-cave from scratch
2016-09-23T04:53:31 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, but that can be a good thing, if it's an upgrade
2016-09-23T04:53:43 < jadew> I'd love to move to a bigger room
2016-09-23T04:53:57 < jadew> apartment
2016-09-23T04:54:03 < Kerr-m> Seriously, I looked at a 2 room apartment for 700 per month
2016-09-23T04:54:04 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Sure, if you up the space or something
2016-09-23T04:54:18 < jadew> R2COM, to buy or to rent?
2016-09-23T04:54:31 < Kerr-m> And later they said I don't qualify for their "affordable housing"
2016-09-23T04:54:32 < LeelooMinai> Romania does not seem like a place where people would dream of moving in one day
2016-09-23T04:54:37 < jadew> depends on the size
2016-09-23T04:54:55 < Kerr-m> Because I make 35k per year pre tax.
2016-09-23T04:55:04 < jadew> then it depends on the area, could go from 150k to ~50k a bit further from where I am
2016-09-23T04:56:01 < Kerr-m> Machinist
2016-09-23T04:56:15 < LeelooMinai> Train one
2016-09-23T04:56:15 < jadew> operates a machine
2016-09-23T04:56:28 < LeelooMinai> Puts coal into the demon:)
2016-09-23T04:56:29 < Kerr-m> My base wage isn't 35k, but I work a shitton of overtime
2016-09-23T04:56:36 < Kerr-m> Ha, no
2016-09-23T04:56:51 < Kerr-m> Because I like tinkering
2016-09-23T04:56:59 < Kerr-m> Program and do projects for fun
2016-09-23T04:57:18 < Kerr-m> Machinist is pretty broad
2016-09-23T04:57:24 < jadew> Kerr-m, so get a job as a developer
2016-09-23T04:58:06 < Kerr-m> I make parts, such as hydraulic cylinders, tools, roller coaster wheels, surgical tools, etc
2016-09-23T04:58:22 < Kerr-m> I operate manual and CNC mills and lathes
2016-09-23T04:58:27 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, maybe he doing metal machining stuff
2016-09-23T04:58:34 < LeelooMinai> O, you see...
2016-09-23T04:58:34 < Kerr-m> Associates, in machining
2016-09-23T04:59:04 < LeelooMinai> I built my own CNC so I am like a hobby-machinist too, I guess:p
2016-09-23T04:59:10 < Kerr-m> I have like 40 extra credits though, from taking other stuff I liked
2016-09-23T04:59:15 < LeelooMinai> A tiny machinist
2016-09-23T04:59:31 < Kerr-m> Math, philosophy, English... etc
2016-09-23T04:59:56 < Kerr-m> Lack of financial support
2016-09-23T05:00:03 < Kerr-m> (I'm 22 BTW)
2016-09-23T05:00:29 < Kerr-m> No     
2016-09-23T05:00:31 < jadew> does a bachelor degree matter so much?
2016-09-23T05:00:57 < Kerr-m> I'm trying to decide where to go next once I pay off my medical bills
2016-09-23T05:01:23 < LeelooMinai> Because USA
2016-09-23T05:01:23 < Kerr-m> Not yet. I want to switch majors obviously
2016-09-23T05:01:32 < Kerr-m> Because afib
2016-09-23T05:01:43 < Kerr-m> I god defibrillated on two occasions
2016-09-23T05:02:04 < jadew> and you owe so much money for it?
2016-09-23T05:02:05 < jadew> wtf?
2016-09-23T05:02:07 < Kerr-m> Including ambulance ride and the works
2016-09-23T05:02:18 < LeelooMinai> Great country - you get defibrillated and then you have medical bills that pwn you
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2016-09-23T05:02:22 < Kerr-m> Nearly 20 after insurance
2016-09-23T05:02:38 < jadew> Kerr-m, how much did it cost total?
2016-09-23T05:02:44 < Kerr-m> 60k     
2016-09-23T05:02:48 < jadew> holly crap
2016-09-23T05:02:50 < jadew> omg     
2016-09-23T05:02:53 < jadew> that's insane
2016-09-23T05:03:02 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: It's idiotic - you pay taxes and ^
2016-09-23T05:03:10 < Kerr-m> I was "out of network" at the hospital I was at
2016-09-23T05:03:23 < jadew> so what? wtf... that's robbery
2016-09-23T05:03:50 < LeelooMinai> I always thought that US trolls the citizens
2016-09-23T05:04:18 < Kerr-m> 10k max out of pocket cost per incident from my insurance compony
2016-09-23T05:04:21 < Kerr-m> Company
2016-09-23T05:04:26 < Kerr-m> Two incidents
2016-09-23T05:05:03 < Kerr-m> And I was paying 200 per month for my insurance
2016-09-23T05:05:18 < Kerr-m> After employer paid 200 percent
2016-09-23T05:05:18 < jadew> wtf...
2016-09-23T05:05:38 < jadew> how much money do you have left after you pay all this stuff?
2016-09-23T05:05:41 < Kerr-m> Oh, and I wore a holtier monitor for a month after each inciden
2016-09-23T05:05:46 < Kerr-m> (15k)
2016-09-23T05:05:56 < Kerr-m> So that's part of the 60k total
2016-09-23T05:06:26 < Kerr-m> About 750ish after all fixed expenses
2016-09-23T05:06:30 < jadew> are you shitting me? my mother in law had to wear one too, do you know how much it costed her?
2016-09-23T05:06:32 < jadew> < $100
2016-09-23T05:06:33 < Kerr-m> Then I still need food and gas
2016-09-23T05:06:53 < Kerr-m> The insurance covered the holtier monitor
2016-09-23T05:07:14 < jadew> doesn't matter who paid it, they're overcharging
2016-09-23T05:07:15 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/1919e0c8ba5f45e0991f5650bb67d6d3?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=b9606b918753c7197ee596c062a528c6
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2016-09-23T05:07:45 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/e9a2849e5acb4889af12b7e8b349d10f?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=157dacc7a7ddf1d6f2123dc5cc30111d
2016-09-23T05:07:47 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Last day on the summer job?
2016-09-23T05:07:47 < dongs> look, someone on "reddit" working in a grocery store in the meat section
2016-09-23T05:07:48 < Kerr-m> But I owed 20k after the insurance paid their part. And I'm still paying...
2016-09-23T05:07:49 < dongs> SO FUNNY
2016-09-23T05:08:12 < upgrdman> :)     
2016-09-23T05:08:25 < Kerr-m> So that's why no bachelors lol
2016-09-23T05:09:04 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, is it embarrasign that I don't know what reddit really is?
2016-09-23T05:09:25 < jadew> LeelooMinai, until recently I didn't know either
2016-09-23T05:09:28 < jadew> it's like a forum
2016-09-23T05:09:36 < jadew> someone posts a link and a bunch of randoms comment on it
2016-09-23T05:09:50 < jadew> and sections are interesting
2016-09-23T05:09:54 < Kerr-m> Also owe 20k in student loans
2016-09-23T05:10:02 < Kerr-m> I didn't know at the time
2016-09-23T05:10:16 < jadew> this is my fav. one (NSFW): https://www.reddit.com/r/boobs
2016-09-23T05:11:01 < Kerr-m> And was mostly incapacitated besides, an extra 45m to an hour to drive to an in network hospital wasn't an option
2016-09-23T05:11:08 < jadew> I like them all
2016-09-23T05:11:29 < LeelooMinai> Fail Health Care is fail
2016-09-23T05:11:37 < Kerr-m> Yep.
2016-09-23T05:12:21 < Kerr-m> I'm on medication, well controlled
2016-09-23T05:12:29 < Kerr-m> Not permanently fixed
2016-09-23T05:12:42 < Kerr-m> Been two years incident free
2016-09-23T05:12:56 < dongs> autism is one hell of a disease eh
2016-09-23T05:13:26 < upgrdman> LOL  https://gfycat.com/InsidiousEsteemedDiplodocus
2016-09-23T05:13:33 < Kerr-m> If I undergo a highly invasive surgery
2016-09-23T05:13:45 < jadew> lol upgrdman
2016-09-23T05:13:58 < dongs> ok an actual funny link
2016-09-23T05:13:59 < Kerr-m> 5 catheters and cauterizing heart tissue and such
2016-09-23T05:14:20 < Kerr-m> (50 percent success rate)
2016-09-23T05:14:44 < LeelooMinai> That's Benny Hill grade
2016-09-23T05:14:50 < LeelooMinai> improvement:)
2016-09-23T05:14:51 < dongs> if I find out i'm fucked in that kinda way I'll just have them terminate me early
2016-09-23T05:15:00 < dongs> no need to waste tax money on trying to fix what isnt gonna be fixable
2016-09-23T05:15:16 < Kerr-m> So I'm sticking with the medication
2016-09-23T05:15:24 < Kerr-m> I'll need the surgery eventually because it gets worse with age
2016-09-23T05:15:38 < LeelooMinai> I would move to Canada:)
2016-09-23T05:15:46 < LeelooMinai> Not far away even
2016-09-23T05:17:45 < LeelooMinai> I would also execute that move before this years elections
2016-09-23T05:18:29 < LeelooMinai> I guess rommates decided that the limit for this month was exceeded
2016-09-23T05:18:33 < jadew> LeelooMinai, why?
2016-09-23T05:18:38 < Kerr-m> Not a disease, just malformed or damaged heart tissue
2016-09-23T05:18:56 < jadew> DNA probably
2016-09-23T05:19:06 < jadew> birth defect, no?
2016-09-23T05:19:11 < LeelooMinai> jadew: You think that the current candidates will improve health care in US? :p
2016-09-23T05:19:37 < jadew> LeelooMinai, well, I don't think they can make it worse
2016-09-23T05:19:50 < Kerr-m> Basically the exact cause can't even be pinpointed without invasive probing surgery they believe it's a section the tissue between my heart and lungs causing errant electrical signals
2016-09-23T05:20:01 < LeelooMinai> I am sure Trump can make anything much much worse:)
2016-09-23T05:20:13 < Kerr-m> But I would have to go through the invasive probing surgery to be sure we're at the issue is first and then a highly invasive surgery to cauterize around that section of tissue
2016-09-23T05:20:27 < jadew> Kerr-m, wouldn't a high resolution RMN give them all the answers they're looking for without surgery?
2016-09-23T05:20:32 < Kerr-m> I've had occasional heart palpitations most of my life so I suspect it's something that I've always had
2016-09-23T05:20:52 < Kerr-m> No it's not going to be this section 210 she looks wrong it's an electrical issue in the heart
2016-09-23T05:21:04 < Kerr-m> Sorry I'm using voice recognition because I'm driving
2016-09-23T05:21:10 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: He would be awsome in some Monty Pythin sketch maybe, but when you consider what can be the consequences, imo he is not awsome at all:)
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2016-09-23T05:21:51 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: lol...
2016-09-23T05:22:30 < Kerr-m> I've already been through chest x-rays heart echoes ultrasounds and so on. There's no physical noticeable issue with my heart, so it's electrical... and unfortunately it takes probing surgery to diagnose that precisely
2016-09-23T05:22:40 < jadew> Kerr-m, I think there are some RMN machines that can generate a 3D image of the scanned section of the body
2016-09-23T05:22:49 < jadew> with amazing detail
2016-09-23T05:23:32 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I think you underestimate how bad having a clown for a president can be... :p
2016-09-23T05:24:05 < LeelooMinai> Looks like a clown to me
2016-09-23T05:24:32 < Kerr-m> Yeah
2016-09-23T05:24:45 < Kerr-m> Dude I worked at a machine shop that produced medical parts
2016-09-23T05:24:58 < LeelooMinai> I don't know how it happened that he was even taken seriously... it's mind-boggling
2016-09-23T05:25:08 < Kerr-m> Let me tell you why they're so f****** expensive: because nobody gives a damn about cost
2016-09-23T05:25:38 < dongs> cool
2016-09-23T05:25:41 < dongs> chinaOSP looks not bad
2016-09-23T05:25:50 < Kerr-m> We charge $15,000 for A1 extractor device the cost maybe $1,000 to make
2016-09-23T05:25:57 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs
2016-09-23T05:26:01 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: What are you even talking about... You realize that I am not even in US?
2016-09-23T05:26:22 < jadew> she's Canadian
2016-09-23T05:26:24 < Kerr-m> Asterisk lung extractor
2016-09-23T05:26:41 < jadew> lol     
2016-09-23T05:27:32 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Seriously, I don't understand people who self-sucicide by voting for this man - he os obviously an oportunist con man at best that takes advantage of the situation.
2016-09-23T05:28:03 < jadew> LeelooMinai, well, you have to agree that Hillary's image is trashed by now
2016-09-23T05:28:12 < LeelooMinai> He probably did not even think he has any chances, but underestimated how absurd people are in US.
2016-09-23T05:28:16 < Kerr-m> Got the election this year is so f*****, on one side we have a Clinton (and we loved her husband so much)
2016-09-23T05:28:30 < Kerr-m> And on the other side we have a big f****** moron he's probably just campaigning to be president for the attention
2016-09-23T05:29:23 < LeelooMinai> BRO guy... lol
2016-09-23T05:29:48 < LeelooMinai> Bold Red Orangutan? :p
2016-09-23T05:30:50 < LeelooMinai> Whatever:p It's impossible to be serious with this guy - he crossed all possible barriers.
2016-09-23T05:31:02 < jadew> ok, I sense there are some pictures I have to see
2016-09-23T05:32:35 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: It's called projection - you imagine that everyone that disagrees with you on this manner is certain kind of person you hate and imagine:)
2016-09-23T05:32:44 < LeelooMinai> matter*
2016-09-23T05:33:21 < LeelooMinai> You do - you just imagined that people who do not like Trump are "PC kind"
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2016-09-23T05:33:49 < LeelooMinai> Which is a big oversimplification 
2016-09-23T05:33:52 < jadew> what happens to those who don't like either?
2016-09-23T05:34:06 < LeelooMinai> jadew: either what? :)
2016-09-23T05:34:07 < jadew> I bet most of them are still going to vote
2016-09-23T05:34:12 < jadew> either candidate
2016-09-23T05:35:09 < LeelooMinai> Well, they are both pretty terrible, but I think even Bush sernior said that he will vote for Hillary over Trump - I mean that's telling something:)
2016-09-23T05:35:10 < jadew> but that has worked great for europe
2016-09-23T05:35:53 < jadew> LeelooMinai, for me that would be a sign to vote the other way
2016-09-23T05:37:02 < jadew> you're an immigrant?
2016-09-23T05:37:14 < LeelooMinai> jadew: imo US had one good chance when Bernie Sanders was in the race - they would get most useful changes if he was elected (by they I mean most of the population, not the small rich %)
2016-09-23T05:38:20 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Are you trying to prove that Trump supporters are a bit unbalanced or what? :p
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2016-09-23T05:38:36 < jadew> R2COM, no, I assumed you were born there
2016-09-23T05:38:41 < jadew> where are you from originally?
2016-09-23T05:38:54 < LeelooMinai> Russia? :)
2016-09-23T05:39:02 < jadew> probably Romania :P
2016-09-23T05:39:38 < jadew> hmm, Poland?
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2016-09-23T05:40:02 < jadew> Ukraine?
2016-09-23T05:40:02 < LeelooMinai> I don't think Polish could support Trump...
2016-09-23T05:40:17 < LeelooMinai> Belarus?
2016-09-23T05:40:19 < jadew> CZ, BG?
2016-09-23T05:40:44 < jadew> do you know romanian? :D
2016-09-23T05:40:47 < LeelooMinai> Trumplandia
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2016-09-23T05:41:27 < Kerr-m> I would have been quite okay with Bernie. 
2016-09-23T05:41:44 < Kerr-m> Out of everybody that ran at all this time Bernie definitely was the most well-rounded candidate
2016-09-23T05:41:48 < LeelooMinai> Most sane people woiuld be - at least those who are not masochists:)
2016-09-23T05:41:58 < LeelooMinai> lol     
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2016-09-23T05:42:11 < Kerr-m> Well whatever you think Bernie is Hillary's worse
2016-09-23T05:42:18 < LeelooMinai> He had nothing to do with communism
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2016-09-23T05:43:16 < Kerr-m> And mind you I 0
2016-09-23T05:43:27 < Kerr-m> Omfg my phone is being retarded
2016-09-23T05:43:32 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Why do you concentrate on some refugees, etc. instead on important things - liek healthcare, military spending, education, etc.?
2016-09-23T05:43:40 < Kerr-m> IPhone 6 assault rifles
2016-09-23T05:44:19 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I mean I don't get it - you want to vote for someone that will make your life worse? Why?
2016-09-23T05:44:50 < Kerr-m> I own 6 assault rifles, and a dozen other guns, I do not usually vote democrat.
2016-09-23T05:45:05 < Kerr-m> But I would have voted for Bernie if it were Bernie vs. Trump
2016-09-23T05:45:12 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Bernie would push those much further than either Hilary or Trump, and yet people still did not vote for him (well, they did, but not sufficiently)
2016-09-23T05:46:51 < dongs> R2COM: sweet
2016-09-23T05:46:57 < Kerr-m> I'm not even really lefty. I'd like to say I'm a sensible libertarian...
2016-09-23T05:47:06 < dongs> R2COM: http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_346981.html get one asap
2016-09-23T05:47:11 < LeelooMinai> Either way, US will kind of get what they voted for - rich will win, 90% or more people will lose because they trolled themselves or have beeen trolled by media, etc.
2016-09-23T05:47:43 < jadew> my phone has android 4.4
2016-09-23T05:48:07 < jadew> englishman, with the e-ink back?
2016-09-23T05:48:53 < jadew> have you guys found any cheap supply of e-ink displays?
2016-09-23T05:48:56 < jadew> various sizes
2016-09-23T05:49:02 < Kerr-m> And r2com, I own 19 guns in total. I think that's a pretty good collection for being 22 lol
2016-09-23T05:49:05 < jadew> I had a couple of projects in mind that could have used them
2016-09-23T05:49:26 < LeelooMinai> That e-ink on the back of a phone is a good idea though. Not that I use phones, but makes sense to have basic info stay there without sucking the power off.
2016-09-23T05:49:35 < Kerr-m> Yes actually mind you most them are cheap guns
2016-09-23T05:49:51 < Kerr-m> Most were acquired for less than $100
2016-09-23T05:50:01 < Kerr-m> I only have one SKS lol
2016-09-23T05:50:14 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, I'd like it on the front tho
2016-09-23T05:50:21 < LeelooMinai> I have two guns at home, but don't use them often
2016-09-23T05:50:24 < jadew> like, at the top, around the camera holes
2016-09-23T05:50:30 < LeelooMinai> One is a glue gun and another a heat gun:)
2016-09-23T05:50:38 < jadew> heh     
2016-09-23T05:51:00 < jadew> I have a telescopic stick...
2016-09-23T05:51:06 < jadew> I don't even know where it is
2016-09-23T05:51:19 < jadew> when I hear noise in the house I just grab a wrench
2016-09-23T05:51:48 < Kerr-m> I have a valid Idaho enhanced carry permit, and carry a glock22 every time I leave the house r2com. I keep a loaded ar15 in my trunk (with heavy duty cables locking it in)
2016-09-23T05:52:09 < jadew> what I don't understand is how come they hide the router from you when you have 19 guns?
2016-09-23T05:52:09 < Kerr-m> And the rest are in a safe in a storage unit
2016-09-23T05:52:14 < Kerr-m> Lol     
2016-09-23T05:52:36 < LeelooMinai> jadew: That's simple: they have 42 guns
2016-09-23T05:52:57 < LeelooMinai> And one RPG
2016-09-23T05:53:04 < Kerr-m> Everyone in the house is a gun owner
2016-09-23T05:53:18 < jadew> I think that once you have a gun, it's all up to who seems more like a nut job
2016-09-23T05:53:42 < Kerr-m> Ak12?
2016-09-23T05:53:47 < LeelooMinai> Right, once veryone has a gun, a guy running at you with a knify will be the most scary one:)
2016-09-23T05:53:53 < Kerr-m> Is that like a saga?
2016-09-23T05:53:58 < Kerr-m> Saiga
2016-09-23T05:54:01 < jadew> englishman, I'm only discussing the ballance of power in his house
2016-09-23T05:54:43 < Kerr-m> Ah okay
2016-09-23T05:55:07 < Kerr-m> My single most expensive gun is a sig556
2016-09-23T05:55:08 < LeelooMinai> Also, he lives in Idaho, so his roomates can be scary offspring of Apache with tomahawks and everything
2016-09-23T05:55:11  * jadew has never held a gun
2016-09-23T05:55:30 < Kerr-m> Bought new for 1400
2016-09-23T05:56:19 < Kerr-m> I bought a DDI 12 three months ago.
2016-09-23T05:56:25 < jadew> englishman, I'd probably enjoy that
2016-09-23T05:56:35  * LeelooMinai imagines all engishman neigbours wear patches on one eye
2016-09-23T05:56:40 < Kerr-m> It blew up in my face.
2016-09-23T05:57:02 < Kerr-m> Have you noticed how f****** expensive things are these days since the import ban
2016-09-23T05:57:49 < Kerr-m> Saigas are banned from import now. They are hard to get
2016-09-23T05:57:52 < jadew> tbh, I think I'd be more of a bow guy
2016-09-23T05:58:11 < jadew> oh, neat
2016-09-23T05:58:14 < jadew> I love bows
2016-09-23T05:58:22 < LeelooMinai> Right, bow would be fun - I always played a hunter in games
2016-09-23T05:58:46 < Kerr-m> Englishman ikr
2016-09-23T05:59:05 < LeelooMinai> btw, do you know that there is something called HEMA where people fight with swords for semi-real? :)
2016-09-23T05:59:08 < Kerr-m> That's why I bough it. Also was highly recommended by my gunsmith
2016-09-23T05:59:33 < LeelooMinai> I think it's Historic European Marial Arts or something like that.
2016-09-23T05:59:47 < jadew> rambow
2016-09-23T06:00:21 < LeelooMinai> Or you could go easy mode and use cross-bow:)
2016-09-23T06:00:21 < jadew> LeelooMinai, video?
2016-09-23T06:00:49 < LeelooMinai> Kind of looks like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z19hR04Ckb8
2016-09-23T06:01:07 < Kerr-m> Nope.
2016-09-23T06:01:28 < LeelooMinai> They have protection, but still - they try to use authentic swords more or less and techniques.
2016-09-23T06:01:28 < jadew> LeelooMinai, that's awesome
2016-09-23T06:01:38 < Kerr-m> I will. Sometime when I have internet again
2016-09-23T06:02:26 < LeelooMinai> But apparently at one to one combat rapier rules
2016-09-23T06:02:30 < Kerr-m> This phone is a zte sonata BTW. Now exactly great for reading...
2016-09-23T06:02:36 < jadew> R2COM, probably not
2016-09-23T06:02:39 < LeelooMinai> Because it has longest reach 
2016-09-23T06:02:58 < LeelooMinai> But they use longswards too and other wierd ones
2016-09-23T06:03:02 < Kerr-m> But I want to program stm32. Can someone link me to the download lol
2016-09-23T06:03:19 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Well, they score on a "wound" pretty much - like they were real swords.
2016-09-23T06:03:36 < Kerr-m> I need the thingy for using the stlink I have :p
2016-09-23T06:04:01 < jadew> given what they're wearing, I don't think they'd get hurt even if they were sharpened
2016-09-23T06:04:04 < Kerr-m> (Pretty please)
2016-09-23T06:04:15 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Duh, it's not 100% real, but it's better than many others I saw, that were just lame and unrealistic
2016-09-23T06:04:23 < jadew> with a team of 10 guys dressed like that you would have won a war 500 years ago
2016-09-23T06:04:45 < jadew> lol     
2016-09-23T06:04:58 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Every weapon has pros and cons:)
2016-09-23T06:05:22 < Kerr-m> For the visitors would go around and kill their families and burn their Village
2016-09-23T06:05:25 < LeelooMinai> Axe is pretty specialized and weak point of it is that it has no point:p That is, you cannot thrust with it.
2016-09-23T06:05:33 < Kerr-m> Astra score the Berserkers
2016-09-23T06:05:52 < LeelooMinai> But axe would be pretty good against armor.
2016-09-23T06:06:10 < jadew> I still think bow is king
2016-09-23T06:06:28 < jadew> you stay at a safe distance
2016-09-23T06:06:41 < LeelooMinai> Well, unless you are close to the enemy and you suddenly have the sword in your stomach:)
2016-09-23T06:06:41 < jadew> and if you see you're losing, you have time to run
2016-09-23T06:07:17 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: lol, how do you want to thrust with an axe - you can only swing with it
2016-09-23T06:07:20 < jadew> still better than the front line
2016-09-23T06:07:47 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: That means, you have less reach and someone with a sword will kill you before you can do anything probably
2016-09-23T06:08:04 < Kerr-m> My vote is spear and shield
2016-09-23T06:08:22 < LeelooMinai> Spear I think on one to one combat is the best
2016-09-23T06:08:39 < jadew> englishman, I don't think they'd come chasing you
2016-09-23T06:08:44 < Kerr-m> You have range like a mofo, and can use the shield to create distance
2016-09-23T06:08:47 < LeelooMinai> From what I read spear is almost imposible to defend against with a sword etc.
2016-09-23T06:08:52 < Kerr-m> Yep     
2016-09-23T06:09:08 < Kerr-m> Not impossible, but quite tough
2016-09-23T06:09:32 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, but only girls use spears in movies
2016-09-23T06:09:40 < LeelooMinai> I think you stand a chance if tyou have armnor maybe, but then you are slow
2016-09-23T06:09:54 < Kerr-m> Your best bet is a big shield to redirect  the blows and close range with the spearman
2016-09-23T06:10:15 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Lies, did you watch Troy - the fight between Achilles and Hector there is awsome and they use spears
2016-09-23T06:11:06 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I don't remember seeing it
2016-09-23T06:11:34 < jadew> yeah, I had the nude mode
2016-09-23T06:11:38 < jadew> that's why I bought it
2016-09-23T06:11:46 < Kerr-m> Lol     
2016-09-23T06:11:48 < LeelooMinai> jadew: It's pretty awsome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ62frK74u0
2016-09-23T06:12:17 < Kerr-m> So umm... could someone link me directly to that utility. Pretty pretty please
2016-09-23T06:12:37 < jadew> LeelooMinai, thanks, but I think I'll watch the full movie
2016-09-23T06:12:50 < jadew> seems worth watching
2016-09-23T06:13:49 < jadew> Kerr-m, that's the second time I wanted to go find that tab and got stuck on that /r/boobs link I posted earlier
2016-09-23T06:14:20 < jadew> no more spoilers pls
2016-09-23T06:14:22 < LeelooMinai> They have swords inside shields
2016-09-23T06:16:41 < LeelooMinai> If you are an alien... :)
2016-09-23T06:17:22 < LeelooMinai> Stabbed...?
2016-09-23T06:18:01 < dongs> keil is a bit of a cunt
2016-09-23T06:18:07 < dongs> if I change target processor
2016-09-23T06:18:16 < dongs> it should NOT save project file unless I specifically save it
2016-09-23T06:18:23 < dongs> and ask me on exit
2016-09-23T06:18:25 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: What... he got half the damn spear in his shoulder:)
2016-09-23T06:18:49 < LeelooMinai> Well, try it... it has like inch diameter:p
2016-09-23T06:19:10 < jadew> Kerr-m, they require registration and I get in at the moment
2016-09-23T06:19:24 < LeelooMinai> Probably ripped tons of ligaments, arteries, etc. and hurt like hell
2016-09-23T06:19:42 < jadew> so fu
2016-09-23T06:19:48 < jadew> I was going to watch that
2016-09-23T06:20:21 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Well, you don't know who died, so... :p
2016-09-23T06:20:31 < jadew> :)     
2016-09-23T06:20:41 < jadew> troy
2016-09-23T06:21:55 < LeelooMinai> dongs: You use commercial Keil or some limited one?
2016-09-23T06:26:07 < Kerr-m> Damn. Well thanks anyway jadew
2016-09-23T06:26:19 < Kerr-m> I wish I could post pictures of what I'm up to right now
2016-09-23T06:26:52 < LeelooMinai> "But the bad roommates allow me to use camera only on weekends"
2016-09-23T06:26:59 < Kerr-m> I have a 1000 foot spool of quadruple ought wire on top of my car
2016-09-23T06:27:13 < Kerr-m> No I'm on my shitty phone
2016-09-23T06:28:53 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Ok, at least that explains your Trump talk:)
2016-09-23T06:29:50 < LeelooMinai> Maybe wait with that until you are "unstoned":p
2016-09-23T06:29:57 < jadew> Kerr-m: http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/software/utility/51/c4/6a/b0/e2/0f/47/e5/stsw-link004.zip/files/stsw-link004.zip/_jcr_content/translations/en.stsw-link004.zip
2016-09-23T06:30:24 < LeelooMinai> Hmmm isn't ther like 9 already?
2016-09-23T06:30:33 < jadew> where?
2016-09-23T06:30:52 < LeelooMinai> I remember that link004 as being old programmer and 009 newer
2016-09-23T06:31:22 < jadew> marketing status: active
2016-09-23T06:31:56 < LeelooMinai> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/embedded-software/development-tool-software/stsw-link009.html
2016-09-23T06:32:06 < jadew> the 009 thing is the driver
2016-09-23T06:32:06 < LeelooMinai> Weird stuff one remembers...
2016-09-23T06:32:31 < jadew> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/development-tools/hardware-development-tools/development-tool-hardware-for-mcus/debug-hardware-for-mcus/debug-hardware-for-stm32-mcus/st-link-v2.html
2016-09-23T06:32:46 < jadew> 004 the utility, 007 firmware, and 009 the driver
2016-09-23T06:32:49 < LeelooMinai> Let me see what version I have
2016-09-23T06:33:02 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, 3.9.0
2016-09-23T06:33:08 < jadew> I don't know why they used numbers instead of meaningful words
2016-09-23T06:35:19 < LeelooMinai> To list you can use the cube soft and sort, there's tons of them though
2016-09-23T06:35:41 < jadew> R2COM, don't you have altium?
2016-09-23T06:35:51 < LeelooMinai> F4s, F2s there too and F7s
2016-09-23T06:37:13 < LeelooMinai> Man, using Altium and then having to use KiCad - that must be painful...
2016-09-23T06:37:36 < Kerr-m> U Awesome jadew
2016-09-23T06:37:45 < jadew> Kerr-m, np
2016-09-23T06:38:18 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Nothing is perfect, but it's pretty good imo
2016-09-23T06:38:34 < LeelooMinai> At least if I compare to other EDAs
2016-09-23T06:38:47 < LeelooMinai> DipTrace was usable too
2016-09-23T06:38:51 < jadew> I'm still waiting for one that can simulate everything
2016-09-23T06:38:53 < LeelooMinai> But not same level
2016-09-23T06:39:07 < jadew> I didn't like DipTrace
2016-09-23T06:39:13 < jadew> KiCad seems better
2016-09-23T06:39:23 < LeelooMinai> > Simulate life >... >... > Death
2016-09-23T06:40:41 < LeelooMinai> Ok, stoned person, maybe you do
2016-09-23T06:40:41 < jadew> well, it would be great if they could emulate the MCU, and do magnetic analysis taking everything into account
2016-09-23T06:41:18 < jadew> we already are in outer space
2016-09-23T06:41:32 < LeelooMinai> If I was stoned, I would probably think there's no death too:p
2016-09-23T06:41:58 < Kerr-m>  I think he's still stoned
2016-09-23T06:42:08 < jadew> that's a a nice way of looking at it
2016-09-23T06:43:04 < jadew> I think it's the biggest human drama, being aware of our limitations
2016-09-23T06:43:35 < LeelooMinai> Not stoned at all ^
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2016-09-23T06:44:28 < jadew> I used to know a guy that loved DMT
2016-09-23T06:44:55 < jadew> his perception of reality would change in similar ways
2016-09-23T06:45:43 < LeelooMinai> Structurak analog of serotonin and melatonicn and psychodelic tryptamines - what could go wrong:)
2016-09-23T06:46:12 < LeelooMinai> E, I blame my keyboard for typos - a donzen of leds gone:/
2016-09-23T06:46:31 < LeelooMinai> I ordered new leds though:)
2016-09-23T06:46:46 < LeelooMinai>  But from ebay, so probably even worse...
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2016-09-23T06:47:05 < jadew> R2COM, I have a theory about that
2016-09-23T06:47:08 < LeelooMinai> Because DIgiKey sells leds for 30 cents for 100...
2016-09-23T06:47:27 < jadew> do you know about the observable universe?
2016-09-23T06:47:36 < jadew> there'
2016-09-23T06:47:44 < jadew> there's a limit past which we can't see
2016-09-23T06:47:47 < jadew> and will never see
2016-09-23T06:47:59 < LeelooMinai> Universe expands, so at some point you cannot observe parts of it since they move away at too high rate
2016-09-23T06:48:05 < jadew> because the universe is expanding and things that are that far away, are going away from us at the speed of light
2016-09-23T06:48:13 < jadew> so light from that side can never reach us
2016-09-23T06:48:16 < Kerr-m> Leeloo why are you paying so much for leds
2016-09-23T06:48:38 < jadew> now, the way I see it, this is a lot like black hole, in reverse
2016-09-23T06:48:45 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: I did not - that's why I ordered from ebay (need TH 3mm flangeless for my keyboard)
2016-09-23T06:49:12 < jadew> I think it's possible that our universe was a black hole, that eventually exploded
2016-09-23T06:49:20 < jadew> (a huge one)
2016-09-23T06:49:39 < jadew> which would allow for the existance of a much larger universe
2016-09-23T06:49:56 < jadew> which would have amazing implications
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2016-09-23T06:50:15 < jadew> for one, the universe as we know it is rather young, but humanity is advancing fast
2016-09-23T06:50:24 < jadew> can you imagine us, in 1 billion years?
2016-09-23T06:50:24 < LeelooMinai> At one point I just concluded that whatever the universe is about I am in no position to reason about it - it's like an ant would try to understand what the current season of Game of Thrones is about:/
2016-09-23T06:50:55 < Kerr-m> There is a thing about " holographic universes" which exist on the outside surface of black holes
2016-09-23T06:50:58 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, I don't think we're equipped to understand it either
2016-09-23T06:51:04 < Kerr-m> That I read about
2016-09-23T06:51:10 < Kerr-m> A theory
2016-09-23T06:51:26 < jadew> our biggest issue is that we don't understand infinity
2016-09-23T06:51:40 < jadew> we simply can't digest it
2016-09-23T06:51:47 < LeelooMinai> I blame death for it:p
2016-09-23T06:52:20 < jadew> LeelooMinai, well, infinity in the future is easier to understand
2016-09-23T06:52:25 < jadew> but infinity in the past...
2016-09-23T06:52:35 < jadew> that's a whole different can of worms
2016-09-23T06:52:38 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Well, better than having that Danning-Kruger syndrome or what it is called imo:p
2016-09-23T06:52:54 < jadew> LeelooMinai, that's the one when you think you're smarter or dumber?
2016-09-23T06:53:10 < Kerr-m> Hey Jade I got 04 and 09, could you relink me to the other one, my Irc got owned by room killer
2016-09-23T06:53:17 < Kerr-m> Oom killer
2016-09-23T06:53:25 < LeelooMinai> jadew: That's the one where you think you are the smarter person on earth:)
2016-09-23T06:53:31 < LeelooMinai> smartest even
2016-09-23T06:53:57 < jadew> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/software/utility/51/c4/6a/b0/e2/0f/47/e5/stsw-link004.zip/files/stsw-link004.zip/_jcr_content/translations/en.stsw-link004.zip
2016-09-23T06:53:58 < jadew> this?
2016-09-23T06:54:36 < Kerr-m> I got that, you linked me to three things, I got 2
2016-09-23T06:54:48 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, that's been bothering me a lot lately, I think I'm suffering from that - not that I'm the smartest person on earth, but I think that most people are stupid
2016-09-23T06:55:04 < jadew> and it's hard to tell if I'm dumb or not
2016-09-23T06:55:18 < jadew> because I've met a lot of stupid people who thought they're awesome
2016-09-23T06:55:18 < Kerr-m> That's because most people are stupid
2016-09-23T06:55:29 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Look at the elections in US and you will see that this is a not good test:p
2016-09-23T06:55:38 < jadew> haha
2016-09-23T06:56:01 < jadew> in fact, my biggest concern was about my programming skill, not about my intelligence
2016-09-23T06:56:04 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/ot4h81y4fwmx.png
2016-09-23T06:56:09 < jadew> I don't know if I'm as good as I think I am
2016-09-23T06:56:13 < jadew> and it's impossible to tell
2016-09-23T06:56:15 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Well, it's important - what if Trump decides to make WWIII foir lols? :)
2016-09-23T06:56:39 < LeelooMinai> Because it will be "tremendous"
2016-09-23T06:56:44 < dongs> errr bzzty
2016-09-23T06:56:48 < dongs> R2COM: LeelooMinai is a man kthx
2016-09-23T06:57:16 < LeelooMinai> dongs: And I heared that you are a girl that pretends to be dongs on IRC, so what? :p
2016-09-23T06:57:18 < jadew> LeelooMinai, prove dongs that you're a woman, /r/boobs
2016-09-23T06:57:50 < jadew> seriously tho, how do you evaluate yourself as a developer
2016-09-23T06:57:56 < LeelooMinai> Well, I don't make photos of myself often, but that's me: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/10320811674/in/dateposted-public/
2016-09-23T06:58:31 < LeelooMinai> Dongs and Trump sounds a bit... unserious:)
2016-09-23T06:58:47 < LeelooMinai> Like Flip and Flap
2016-09-23T06:59:40 < jadew> dongs is already half done photoshopping that photo
2016-09-23T07:00:13 < LeelooMinai> Maybe he will improve my z-stage:p
2016-09-23T07:00:28 < emeb_mac> R2COM: did you ever figure out your ethernet stuff?
2016-09-23T07:01:03 < LeelooMinai> Good call I would say...
2016-09-23T07:01:34 < emeb_mac> R2COM: got the phy on my f7 working tonight - bad solder joint.
2016-09-23T07:02:11 < jadew> http://www.chilloutpoint.com/images/2010/11/ethnic-diversity-photoshop-disasters/ethnic-diversity-photoshop-disasters-11.jpg
2016-09-23T07:02:22 < jadew> "when you see it"
2016-09-23T07:02:56 < LeelooMinai> They enaked in the black dude:)
2016-09-23T07:03:01 < LeelooMinai> sneaked*
2016-09-23T07:03:05 < jadew> yeah, lol
2016-09-23T07:03:18 < LeelooMinai> Probably for "diversity"
2016-09-23T07:03:21 < jadew> http://www.chilloutpoint.com/funny/ethnic-diversity-photoshop-disasters.html
2016-09-23T07:03:22 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-23T07:03:53 < LeelooMinai> Well, I have also seen ones where they edited black people out
2016-09-23T07:04:45 < jadew> there was a silly thing that happened in Romania, during the communism
2016-09-23T07:05:13 < jadew> some head of state visited Ceausescu and that guy had his hat on his head and Ceasusecu in his hand
2016-09-23T07:05:33 < jadew> so they edited the photo to show him with the hat on his head as well
2016-09-23T07:05:40 < jadew> but forgot to erase the one in his hand
2016-09-23T07:05:54 < jadew> so the paper printed with him having a hat on his had and one in his hand lol
2016-09-23T07:06:16 < LeelooMinai> Well, that could happen I guess:)
2016-09-23T07:06:19 < Kerr-m> Okay I am now driving with a 700 pound spool of wire set on my roof talk to you guys later
2016-09-23T07:07:00 < LeelooMinai> Kerr-m: I know your internet is slow, but isn't it taking it to extreme?
2016-09-23T07:09:06 < jadew> https://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/roman.jpg?w=700
2016-09-23T07:09:10 < jadew> https://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/rom.jpg
2016-09-23T07:14:01 < emeb_mac> R2COM: probably
2016-09-23T07:14:18 < emeb_mac> depends on how complicated a UI you need on the TFT
2016-09-23T07:15:33 < LeelooMinai> I kind of wonder if "without RTOS" was meant to suggest it will be faster or slower...
2016-09-23T07:16:07 < emeb_mac> no problem - I've not used an RTOS yet
2016-09-23T07:16:28 < emeb_mac> get Tectus uGFX or some equivalent
2016-09-23T07:16:32 < LeelooMinai> I used Chibios recently and it's worth it imo
2016-09-23T07:16:55 < emeb_mac> that's fine too
2016-09-23T07:17:02 < emeb_mac> been using that for a few months now
2016-09-23T07:17:05 < emeb_mac> works ok
2016-09-23T07:17:28 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I think they just point to FreeRTOS
2016-09-23T07:17:38 < LeelooMinai> At least that's what I saw in their Cube thing
2016-09-23T07:17:41 < emeb_mac> R2COM: yeah - stemwin works on SPI LCDs just fine
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2016-09-23T07:18:23 < LeelooMinai> But they did something semi-scary and put some layer between the cmisis RTOS calls and FreeRTOS
2016-09-23T07:19:02 < LeelooMinai> yes I would say\
2016-09-23T07:19:11 < dongs> when stm32 is in lowpoer standby/stop/whatever do GPIO keep thier state
2016-09-23T07:19:13 < dongs> or they go highZ
2016-09-23T07:19:21 < emeb_mac> R2COM: I've used these -> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-8-Inch-240-320-LCD-Panel-With-Touch-panel-PCB-Board-for-Arduino-mage2560/182055377426?_trksid=p2045573.c100642.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D64ee1edfe4304389ad89913c7ec649ce%26pid%3D100642%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26
2016-09-23T07:19:51 < emeb_mac> resistive
2016-09-23T07:19:53 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You can even see that left part has been bent 180 deg
2016-09-23T07:19:58 < dongs> resistive of course
2016-09-23T07:20:05 < emeb_mac> yes     
2016-09-23T07:20:07 < dongs> R2COM: why are you making your own board btw?
2016-09-23T07:20:11 < dongs> you just want F107 + ethernet + LCD rightr?
2016-09-23T07:20:13 < LeelooMinai> resistive is pretty bad
2016-09-23T07:20:15 < emeb_mac> but not available on these cheap displays
2016-09-23T07:20:24 < dongs> k 1 min
2016-09-23T07:21:20 < dongs> R2COM: http://www.hotmcu.com/stm32f107vct6-development-board-p-114.html?cPath=1_20
2016-09-23T07:21:27 < dongs> R2COM: get this and add their TFT lcd on top of it
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2016-09-23T07:21:34 < dongs> notice price
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2016-09-23T07:22:11 < dongs> http://www.hotmcu.com/28-touch-screen-tft-lcd-with-all-interface-p-63.html i think this is the LCD that stacks on it
2016-09-23T07:22:17 < dongs> yes they're all resistive
2016-09-23T07:22:30 < dongs> R2COM: for ~$30 shipped I thikn you've got plenty for development
2016-09-23T07:22:34 < dongs> while you're kicading your own board
2016-09-23T07:22:35 < dongs> no     
2016-09-23T07:22:38 < dongs> its usable just fine
2016-09-23T07:22:40 < dongs> just needs a stylus
2016-09-23T07:22:49 < dongs> or something to poke it with to be accuraate
2016-09-23T07:22:51 < dongs> finger, forget it
2016-09-23T07:23:00 < emeb_mac> fingernail is OK usually
2016-09-23T07:23:00 < LeelooMinai> Pff     
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2016-09-23T07:23:21 < LeelooMinai> yes     
2016-09-23T07:23:35 < emeb_mac> trouble is finding cheap displays with capsense
2016-09-23T07:23:39 < LeelooMinai> You don't even have to touch in theory...
2016-09-23T07:23:49 < LeelooMinai> And in practice probably:)
2016-09-23T07:24:25 < emeb_mac> hotmcu is pretty reliable
2016-09-23T07:24:35 < dongs> hotmcu is my pal
2016-09-23T07:24:49 < dongs> i chat with the guy
2016-09-23T07:24:52 < dongs> i know he clones stuff
2016-09-23T07:25:04 < dongs> and he always gives me special deals on shit
2016-09-23T07:25:09 < dongs> lke last time i ordered that 107 board
2016-09-23T07:25:12 < dongs> he threw in a free lcd.
2016-09-23T07:26:09 < emeb_mac> lol - beagleong
2016-09-23T07:33:22 < dongs> no, just buy that connector it goes with
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2016-09-23T08:05:54 < LeelooMinai> . <- that's Oracle's contribution to Java, after grabbing it from Sun
2016-09-23T08:19:23 < dongs> could say the same about your contribution to this channel
2016-09-23T08:20:44 < dongs> well, riglol is showing 0.000A in standby
2016-09-23T08:20:47 < dongs> time to bust out the proDMM
2016-09-23T08:21:23 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Your comment does not make sense - so I assume it's just a sad excuse for trying to upset me:p
2016-09-23T08:21:44 < dongs> it makes perfect sense
2016-09-23T08:22:15 < LeelooMinai> That's what all confused people say...
2016-09-23T08:23:32 < dongs> if you plan on staying in this channel can we make a rule? you won't address me unless directly spoken to
2016-09-23T08:23:35 < dongs> and I will do the same
2016-09-23T08:23:44 < dongs> starting: now
2016-09-23T08:24:48 < LeelooMinai> I was going to propose the same - must be my good day today!
2016-09-23T08:37:37 < dongs> 60uA in standby
2016-09-23T08:37:38 < dongs> hmm     
2016-09-23T09:01:26 < dongs> Standby: 2.4 μA @25 °C / 1.7 V without RTC; 12 μA @85 °C @1.7 V
2016-09-23T09:01:30 < dongs> thats not wat im seeing
2016-09-23T09:01:53 < ReadErr> anyone know about audio ? I need crt :(
2016-09-23T09:02:07 < ReadErr> coaxial input on a receiver, takes PCM ?
2016-09-23T09:02:12 < ReadErr> for digital 
2016-09-23T09:02:24 < dongs> coaxial spdif.
2016-09-23T09:02:28 < dongs> takes whatever the shit can decode
2016-09-23T09:02:31 < dongs> or lpcm
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2016-09-23T09:02:54 < ReadErr> shitty china BT4.0 audio module has SPI_PCM output 
2016-09-23T09:02:56 < dongs> spdif = <= 1.5mbit so if decoder can do DTS or whaever that fits into 1506kbit shit that works too in bitstream mode
2016-09-23T09:03:08 < ReadErr> wondering if I can just run that shit into that
2016-09-23T09:03:08 < dongs> probably I2S
2016-09-23T09:03:10 < dongs> no     
2016-09-23T09:03:15 < dongs> completely different stuff
2016-09-23T09:03:21 < dongs> ytou'll probly need i2s to spdif or something.
2016-09-23T09:03:33 < dongs> signalling is different too
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2016-09-23T09:07:02 < ReadErr> yea fuck that, scrapping dicking with this module
2016-09-23T09:07:19 < dongs> totally.
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2016-09-23T09:38:02 < upgrdman> lolwut:
2016-09-23T09:38:03 < upgrdman> When they're done, sometimes they chew off each other's penises. Sometimes they chew off their own penises. It's not clear why and it isn't the norm, but it happens enough that like 5% of banana slugs are penisless. Scientist posit that either the penis gets "stuck" or the slugs are trying to discourage future mating with other partners, to protect the seed they have planted. In a related species, the slug often chews off his own penis and 
2016-09-23T09:38:03 < upgrdman> offers it to his partner to eat as a little post-nuptial snack.
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2016-09-23T09:41:05 < syke> slugs. Glad they have penises and vaginas
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2016-09-23T09:45:14 < dongs> hmm i guess actual measured 60uA is not bad
2016-09-23T09:45:22 < dongs> thats ~1700 days @ 2xAA
2016-09-23T09:45:30 < dongs> but where am I leaking nearly 50uA from i wonder
2016-09-23T09:45:41 < dongs> i should put all GPIO to AIN i guess...
2016-09-23T09:45:54 < dongs> all unused that is
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2016-09-23T10:16:59 < dongs> hm stting shit to ain makes no diff
2016-09-23T10:17:04 < dongs> also i guess gpio gets powered down
2016-09-23T10:17:38 < dongs> cuz i have a pin that goes low to turn stuff on and that starts floating
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2016-09-23T10:24:20 < dongs> ok hm, its the STM32.
2016-09-23T10:24:29 < dongs> everything else is practically off
2016-09-23T10:24:49 < dongs> like 59uA for STM and 1uA for everythign else
2016-09-23T10:25:15 < PaulFertser> With STM32 in its deepest sleep mode it's only "tamper" pin that could have pullup optionally turned on, everything else was powered down.
2016-09-23T10:25:34 < dongs> right
2016-09-23T10:25:36 < dongs> thats the mode im in.
2016-09-23T10:25:37 < PaulFertser> dongs: are you testing consumption with debug adapter detached?
2016-09-23T10:25:40 < dongs> and PA0 goes to a button
2016-09-23T10:25:45 < dongs> PaulFertser: no, i'm not that dumb
2016-09-23T10:25:48 < dongs> i know that draws !3mA
2016-09-23T10:25:50 < dongs> ~3     
2016-09-23T10:26:14 < jpa-> when tracking down consumption bugs, my first test is to go to standby immediately in the start of main().. that isolates whether it is a hardware problem or whether software leaves something in wrong state
2016-09-23T10:26:17 < PaulFertser> Well, it's also that host software can enable some special bits to keep some of the debugging circuity on during debug.
2016-09-23T10:26:49 < dongs> jpa, lets see
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2016-09-23T10:26:52 < jpa-> yeah, you need to power cycle after disconnecting
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2016-09-23T10:28:41 < PaulFertser> The only (other than the tamper pin) way stm32l152 can leak power in its deepest mode is via LSE I'd guess.
2016-09-23T10:35:49 < dongs> motherfucker
2016-09-23T10:35:56 < dongs> my lowpower shit turns off swd
2016-09-23T10:36:51 < PaulFertser> But you can connect for reflashing by pulling SRST low.
2016-09-23T10:39:04 < dongs> k there
2016-09-23T10:39:04 < dongs> yeah
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2016-09-23T10:40:27 < dongs> so its stm
2016-09-23T10:40:37 < dongs> shutdown() in main = 58uA
2016-09-23T10:42:34 < jpa-> how are you sure that it isn't something else on the board?
2016-09-23T10:43:08 < dongs> cuz i cut the trace going to stm power rail
2016-09-23T10:43:12 < dongs> and thats where im measuring
2016-09-23T10:43:23 < dongs> i have a ring of vbat around stm and it was connected at single point
2016-09-23T10:44:57 < dongs> PA0 wake up didnt make any diff
2016-09-23T10:44:57 < dongs> hmm     
2016-09-23T10:47:09 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/tDL29j75.html
2016-09-23T10:47:12 < dongs> any lower power than this?
2016-09-23T10:48:12 < dongs> seems no
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2016-09-23T10:48:42 < jpa-> that should be lowest
2016-09-23T10:48:46 < dongs> right
2016-09-23T10:50:35 < jpa-> for reference, i got down to 2µA on STM32L151 even with RTC and STOP mode
2016-09-23T10:50:49 < dongs> fff     
2016-09-23T10:51:11 < dongs> Standby: 2.4 μA @25 °C / 1.7 V without RTC; 12 μA @85 °C @1.7 V
2016-09-23T10:51:39 < PaulFertser> IIRC, something about 1.5uA @ 3.3V in standby with stm32l152 here.
2016-09-23T10:51:57 < PaulFertser> With RTC running
2016-09-23T10:52:34 < dongs> so 50 is a lot
2016-09-23T10:55:01 < dongs> hmm.
2016-09-23T10:55:16 < dongs> time to handsolder just F4 on the board and see what the problem is :)
2016-09-23T10:55:37 < dongs> you think it works OK without bypass caps?
2016-09-23T10:56:20 < dongs> oh i have an extra pasted board.
2016-09-23T10:56:21 < jpa-> it should get up to the sleep mode atleast
2016-09-23T10:56:33 < dongs> caps no problem
2016-09-23T11:00:10 < Thorn> where do I buy test lead cable (black+red) in bulk
2016-09-23T11:00:22 < dongs> how bulk is bulk
2016-09-23T11:00:33 < Thorn> I dunno 10m
2016-09-23T11:00:38 < dongs> are you talking custom sized leads?
2016-09-23T11:00:41 < dongs> or soft silicone wire
2016-09-23T11:01:00 < dongs> the latter, hobbyking by the meter
2016-09-23T11:01:28 < Thorn> I want to cut and terminate it myself
2016-09-23T11:01:43 < jpa-> "10m" "bulk" :P
2016-09-23T11:01:56 < Thorn> actual silicone would be best if it's not expensive
2016-09-23T11:02:15 < Thorn> well bulk as opposed to premade leads
2016-09-23T11:02:18 < Thorn> is there a better term
2016-09-23T11:02:24 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__44285__Turnigy_Pure_Silicone_Wire_14AWG_1m_Red_EU_Warehouse_.html
2016-09-23T11:03:04 < dongs> or whatever awg you want
2016-09-23T11:04:51 < Thorn> ok thanks looks like what I need
2016-09-23T11:04:55 < dongs> yes     
2016-09-23T11:05:10 < dongs> thats exactly waht you need, and the price cant even be beaten by china
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2016-09-23T11:15:10 < dongs> wtf     
2016-09-23T11:15:27 < dongs> board with just STM is drawing more
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2016-09-23T11:37:58 < dongs> ... what the fuck on the new chip BX _main jsut fucking goes to hardfault
2016-09-23T11:41:51 < Thorn> is _main even
2016-09-23T11:42:13 < dongs> yeah
2016-09-23T11:43:39 < Fleck> "fpv5-sp-d16" is SinglePrecision and "fpv5-d16" is DoublePrecision? GCC -mfpu options...
2016-09-23T11:51:28 < Thorn> Fleck: maybe this will help https://launchpadlibrarian.net/268329726/readme.txt
2016-09-23T11:51:30 < dongs> fucking bizzare
2016-09-23T11:53:10 < Fleck> how does that help? :D
2016-09-23T11:55:48 < Fleck> but as I know, F4 has only SinglePrecision, I see that there is only -sp- for F4, so I guess, I am right there
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2016-09-23T11:58:07 < zyp> dongs, of course it does
2016-09-23T11:58:18 < dongs> wat?
2016-09-23T11:58:22 < zyp> bx <label> always faults on cortex-m
2016-09-23T11:58:28 < dongs> ..     
2016-09-23T11:58:48 < zyp> the x indicates a mode change from thumb to arm
2016-09-23T11:58:49 < dongs> no obviosuly its ldr r0, =_main and bx r0 
2016-09-23T11:58:58 < dongs> the point is its not fucking working
2016-09-23T11:59:05 < dongs> this is same code, 2 same boards
2016-09-23T11:59:10 < zyp> okay
2016-09-23T11:59:10 < dongs> one has nothing but STM32 + caps + 2 R on it
2016-09-23T11:59:21 < dongs> i made it hoping to like, measure STM32 only curent
2016-09-23T11:59:27 < dongs> .. but i cant even step it correctly
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2016-09-23T12:05:02 < Thorn> the power probably has a lot of inductance if you run it through a dmm
2016-09-23T12:05:10 < Thorn> is there a bulk cap on the board
2016-09-23T12:06:07 < dongs>  took that out long time ago
2016-09-23T12:06:13 < dongs> k i give up
2016-09-23T12:06:15 < dongs> the board must be fucked
2016-09-23T12:08:16 < sync> desolder errything
2016-09-23T12:08:24 < dongs> theres alreadyt nothing on it
2016-09-23T12:08:26 < dongs> ill just make another one
2016-09-23T12:08:27 < dongs> bbl     
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2016-09-23T12:11:53 < Ecco> I'm trying to figure out how to properly power an RGB LED
2016-09-23T12:12:20 < stvn> .     
2016-09-23T12:12:28 < stvn> me too ;)
2016-09-23T12:12:47 < Ecco> So those take a constant current in, pertty much just as any other LED
2016-09-23T12:13:12 < stvn> sure
2016-09-23T12:13:20 < Ecco> But you typically want to modulate the output of red, green and blue to output the desired color
2016-09-23T12:13:24 < Ecco> and/or blink pattern
2016-09-23T12:13:36 < Ecco> so PWM would seem like a good idea
2016-09-23T12:13:37 < stvn> most LED CC drivers can take a pwm in
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2016-09-23T12:13:57 < Ecco> Indeed, but does that mean I have to use a separate channel for each color component ?
2016-09-23T12:14:05 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-23T12:14:13 < stvn> why not
2016-09-23T12:14:21 < Ecco> Because it doesn't scale so well
2016-09-23T12:14:32 < Ecco> What if you have a few leds?
2016-09-23T12:14:40 < stvn> you can drive them all off the same pwm but hows that cgoing to look
2016-09-23T12:15:05 < jpa-> if you bother with constant current, why do pwm? just change the current
2016-09-23T12:15:14 < Ecco> jpa-: touché
2016-09-23T12:15:14 < jpa-> if you want simple, just use resistors + pwm
2016-09-23T12:15:25 < stvn> resistors for 10w LEDs
2016-09-23T12:15:27 < stvn> naaaa
2016-09-23T12:15:43 < Thorn> binary modulation > PWM
2016-09-23T12:15:51 < jpa-> yes, for larger leds you need SMPS constant current.. so then just modify the current setpoint
2016-09-23T12:16:02 < jpa-> combining constant current + PWM just sounds dumb
2016-09-23T12:16:12 < stvn> it's out there
2016-09-23T12:16:16 < Ecco> Indeed, that's smart
2016-09-23T12:16:20 < jpa-> yes, there are dumb people out there
2016-09-23T12:16:23 < Ecco> but you need a separate channel for each component
2016-09-23T12:16:37 < jpa-> sure, you always do if you drive RGB led with CC chip
2016-09-23T12:16:38 < Ecco> so if you want to drive a single RGB led you need a 3-channel CC source
2016-09-23T12:16:48 < Ecco> indeed
2016-09-23T12:16:59 < jpa-> that's why many CC chips have like 10 channels
2016-09-23T12:17:38 < Ecco> ok makes sense
2016-09-23T12:18:04 < jpa-> but many cheap CC chips are also linear and not smps
2016-09-23T12:18:19 < Ecco> I don't know what that means
2016-09-23T12:18:23  * Ecco reads
2016-09-23T12:18:25 < stvn> i'll have to ask what amount of power you are intending to stick in the LED
2016-09-23T12:19:51 < Thorn> how many inductors will a 10 channel switch mode chip need
2016-09-23T12:20:25 < jpa-> 10, generally
2016-09-23T12:20:40 < Thorn> for 3 leds
2016-09-23T12:20:55 < jpa-> then you are only using 3 channels :P
2016-09-23T12:20:59 < Ecco> I'm using lower end leds
2016-09-23T12:21:09 < Ecco> 20 mA
2016-09-23T12:21:09 < stvn> Ecco, that pleases me
2016-09-23T12:21:18 < Thorn> 3 rgb leds = 9 channels
2016-09-23T12:21:21 < stvn> just use a freakin resistor then
2016-09-23T12:21:28 < Ecco> That's what I'm doing now
2016-09-23T12:21:45 < Ecco> resistor + DC/DC converter to output 5V
2016-09-23T12:21:51 < stvn> small to me is 350mA, my apologies ;)
2016-09-23T12:21:53 < Ecco> But dongs said it was stupid
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2016-09-23T12:22:13 < Ecco> Yeah, it's not the same kind of LEDs that I'm using for my reef fish tank :)
2016-09-23T12:22:38 < stvn> idk where the dc/dc lies in this 
2016-09-23T12:22:44 < stvn> but it sounds odd
2016-09-23T12:23:15 < Ecco> I'm using a single-cell LiPo in
2016-09-23T12:23:17 < Ecco> so 3.7V
2016-09-23T12:23:26 < Ecco> Given the forward voltage is ~3.2V
2016-09-23T12:23:44 < Ecco> that hardly leaves any room for a resistor
2016-09-23T12:25:00 < Ecco> So I figured I had to convert the LiPo in (4.2 - 3.0V) to a constant 5V
2016-09-23T12:25:22 < Ecco> and then use a ballast resistor to limit the current drawn by the LED
2016-09-23T12:25:37 < stvn> have you got some kind of microcontroller
2016-09-23T12:25:43 < stvn> in this project
2016-09-23T12:25:46 < jpa-> at that point you could just have constant current boost to drive it.. but dc-dc to 5V + resistor is simpler, even if somewhat silly
2016-09-23T12:26:06 < Ecco> stvn: yeah, an STM32
2016-09-23T12:26:24 < Ecco> jpa-: I quite don't understand the silliness of it
2016-09-23T12:26:33 < Ecco> dongs said the same thing, so you guys are obviously right
2016-09-23T12:26:33 < stvn> perfect for your LED project....
2016-09-23T12:26:35 < Ecco> I just don't get it
2016-09-23T12:27:11 < jpa-> Ecco: well, it's converting the voltage up just so that it can lose it to heat in the resistor
2016-09-23T12:27:20 < Ecco> Indeed
2016-09-23T12:27:29 < Ecco> ok so it's dumb as in inefficient
2016-09-23T12:27:55 < Ecco> that being said, it's also very practical because I just need to hook a transistor to each led and I can PWM them individually
2016-09-23T12:29:10 < stvn> at that point i'd just buy one off aliexpress mate
2016-09-23T12:29:14 < jpa-> you could also hook up transistor + coil + diode to each diode and do the same from lipo directly
2016-09-23T12:29:21 < jpa-> one of what?
2016-09-23T12:29:39 < stvn> idk what it is he is trying to make
2016-09-23T12:30:10 < jpa-> .. yet you know that it's on aliexpress?
2016-09-23T12:30:21 < stvn> if it has LED it probably is,
2016-09-23T12:30:31 < stvn> china went insane for LEDs
2016-09-23T12:30:43 < jpa-> Ecco: ok, now compared to stvn your plan sounds pretty smart
2016-09-23T12:31:12 < stvn> I'm here as a reference right....
2016-09-23T12:32:54 < Ecco> :-)     
2016-09-23T12:33:07 < Thorn> if there is already a boost converter why not run it in CC mode (1 sense resistor instead of 2)
2016-09-23T12:33:09 < stvn> please tell me more about the project
2016-09-23T12:33:54 < Ecco> "Probably the simplest thing for power is just to use a current limiting resistor with a 3 V supply to the LEDs rather than using complex boost circuitry."
2016-09-23T12:34:23 < stvn> what is it though
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2016-09-23T12:44:03 < stvn> Welcome back Laurenceb__ 
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2016-09-23T12:57:15 < Laurenceb__> The founder of Oculus, Palmer Luckey, has backed a pro-Trump political organization called Nimble America that is dedicated to "shitposting" and spreading inflammatory memes
2016-09-23T12:57:18 < Laurenceb__> top kek
2016-09-23T13:00:16 < kakimir> how much space should be left to pcb edges?
2016-09-23T13:00:34 < kakimir> to edge of design
2016-09-23T13:00:49 < kakimir> manuf says edge accuracy +-0.2
2016-09-23T13:01:12 < kakimir> so they try to cut it just where you put the edge line?
2016-09-23T13:01:18 < Thorn> you may need like 6mm for routing
2016-09-23T13:01:25 < Thorn> between the boards
2016-09-23T13:02:42 < kakimir> are you serious?
2016-09-23T13:02:46 < kakimir> I left 2mm
2016-09-23T13:03:03 < Ecco> If I have a single CC source with LEDs in series, is there an easy way to temporarily disable a single LED?
2016-09-23T13:03:08 < kakimir> for v grooving
2016-09-23T13:03:53 < Thorn> Ecco: yes, short it out
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2016-09-23T13:04:44 < Thorn> v-grooving needs much less room but still check what the fab says
2016-09-23T13:05:43 < kakimir> they wont respond
2016-09-23T13:06:03 < Thorn> hopefully they have a document
2016-09-23T13:06:16 < Thorn> Ecco: i.e. you need a switch in parallel with each led
2016-09-23T13:06:17 < kakimir> they do not document v grooing
2016-09-23T13:06:54 < Ecco> Thorn: makes perfect sense
2016-09-23T13:07:03 < Ecco> Is that doable with a transistor?
2016-09-23T13:07:53 < Thorn> you might need a driver if the source is floating above gnd
2016-09-23T13:08:18 < Thorn> that is the downside
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2016-09-23T13:21:54 < Ecco> I don't get it :(
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2016-09-23T13:25:15 < jpa-> p-fet parallel with led and n-fet to pull its gate down would work.. up to the Vgs max limit
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2016-09-23T13:44:55 < Thorn> a pair of fets in one package http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/power/power-mosfet/small-signal-mosfet/20v-60v-complementary-mosfet/channel.html?channel=ff80808112ab681d0112ab6a599b04bc
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2016-09-23T14:08:41 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
2016-09-23T14:10:38 < Fleck> again? :D
2016-09-23T14:11:51 < jadew> every week :P
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2016-09-23T14:18:32 < karlp> artoocommie insists on raw register access, no hal/stdperiph bullshit, but insists on using st provided libs for stemwin?
2016-09-23T14:19:50 < stvn> good work jadew it could do with more views
2016-09-23T14:20:45 < Laurenceb__> lul 0:50  http://hackaday.com/2016/09/23/building-pneumatic-actuators-with-3d-printed-molds/
2016-09-23T14:20:58 < Laurenceb__> silicone is epic fail to bond to
2016-09-23T14:22:02 < jadew> stvn, also in my recommendations list: "The Most Intelligent Bird On The Planet: Crow Talks Full Documentary"
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2016-09-23T14:30:39 < stvn> jadew, link?
2016-09-23T14:30:57 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtrDWEqH2lI
2016-09-23T14:31:05 < dongs> oh LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
2016-09-23T14:31:19 < dongs> i forgot the fucking VCAP cap
2016-09-23T14:31:23 < dongs> on the "weird" board
2016-09-23T14:31:39 < ReadErr> hmmm this blueshit thing is turning off my receiver 
2016-09-23T14:31:44 < ReadErr> randomly 
2016-09-23T14:32:06 < dongs> protip: dont get stoned and EE, ever
2016-09-23T14:32:24 < dongs> half a fucking day burned
2016-09-23T14:35:29 < Steffanx> Where is stvn?
2016-09-23T14:35:39 < ReadErr> in AUSTRALIA 
2016-09-23T14:36:00 < Steffanx> I hope so.
2016-09-23T14:36:21 < stvn> yes     
2016-09-23T14:36:25 < stvn> i am
2016-09-23T14:40:30 < karlp> dongs: that only helps you boot the other board, resolved the power consumption issue though?
2016-09-23T14:40:41 < ReadErr> im deploying my assberry pi security cameras today
2016-09-23T14:40:47 < dongs> karlp: about to check
2016-09-23T14:40:53 < dongs> just confiemd that shit boots properly lol
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2016-09-23T14:41:58 < dongs> dang.
2016-09-23T14:42:00 < dongs> 2.4uA
2016-09-23T14:42:02 < dongs> as advertised.
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2016-09-23T14:42:07 < dongs> sooo its something else thats on it
2016-09-23T14:42:48 < dongs> HMMM
2016-09-23T14:42:53 < dongs> there's like really nothign else.
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2016-09-23T14:44:41 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/67lOp5x.jpg
2016-09-23T14:45:15 < jadew> ah, nice
2016-09-23T14:45:18 < jadew> how is it so far?
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2016-09-23T14:45:30 < dongs> well, its measuring
2016-09-23T14:46:20 < jadew> I should send you my voltage reference so we can compare
2016-09-23T14:46:39 < dongs> whats votlage reference do?
2016-09-23T14:46:42 < dongs> output exact voltage?
2016-09-23T14:46:44 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-23T14:46:49 < dongs> it was within 0.001V with rigllol power supply
2016-09-23T14:46:54 < dongs> out -> in
2016-09-23T14:47:01 < dongs> which isnt really saying much
2016-09-23T14:47:09 < stvn> fuck me sideways
2016-09-23T14:47:10 < dongs> cuz shitlol shows 0.001A when nothing is connected 
2016-09-23T14:47:16 < jadew> yeah, but you expect the psu to have that sort of accuracy
2016-09-23T14:47:35 < dongs> i think 0.001 is close enough cuz of connecting leads and shit
2016-09-23T14:48:16 < jadew> it shows 1 mA with no connection?
2016-09-23T14:48:18 < jadew> that can't be right
2016-09-23T14:48:42 < dongs> is that 1mA?
2016-09-23T14:48:45 < dongs> yeah it does.
2016-09-23T14:48:49 < dongs> nothing even plugged in
2016-09-23T14:48:56 < dongs> but only left channel
2016-09-23T14:48:58 < dongs> center one shows 0
2016-09-23T14:49:03 < jadew> but in that picture it shows 2 uA
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2016-09-23T14:49:10 < dongs> oh, thats different channel
2016-09-23T14:49:16 < dongs> that one on power supply now shows 0.000.
2016-09-23T14:50:23 < jadew> it has two channels?
2016-09-23T14:50:32 < jadew> can it do comparison stuff?
2016-09-23T14:50:33 < dongs> 3     
2016-09-23T14:50:39 < jadew> that's nice
2016-09-23T14:50:51 < dongs> power supply is 3ch.. im not talking about hte dmm
2016-09-23T14:50:57 < dongs> anyway, powersupply is known shit.
2016-09-23T14:51:01 < jadew> ah     
2016-09-23T14:51:04 < stvn> why shit
2016-09-23T14:51:08 < jadew> so the supply shows 1 mA
2016-09-23T14:51:09 < stvn> other than the brand
2016-09-23T14:51:10 < jadew> got it
2016-09-23T14:51:12 < dongs> yea, not the dmm
2016-09-23T14:51:17 < jadew> pfew...
2016-09-23T14:51:22 < dongs> if that shit showed 1mA with unplugged i'd be refunding it
2016-09-23T14:51:22 < dongs> lol     
2016-09-23T14:52:37 < jadew> I guess the 1 mA is from the feedback loop
2016-09-23T14:52:44 < jadew> it's not that big of an offset
2016-09-23T14:54:09 < stvn> dave jones likes it
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2016-09-23T15:22:29 < dongs> ok so stm by itself is doing 2.4uA as advertised
2016-09-23T15:22:36 < dongs> the board with peripherals aroudn it draws 60
2016-09-23T15:22:37 < dongs> hmm.
2016-09-23T15:22:44 < dongs> everything is gated through pmos.
2016-09-23T15:23:04 < dongs> pmos removed, still drawing ~60
2016-09-23T15:23:32 < karlp> feedback resistors for power supply or something?
2016-09-23T15:23:41 < dongs> theres no powersupply
2016-09-23T15:24:16 < karlp> well, what's left then?
2016-09-23T15:24:51 < karlp> it's both boards using 60uA too much right? so it's not some dodgy bypasscap or anything
2016-09-23T15:25:23 < dongs> no, emptyboard is 2.4uA.
2016-09-23T15:25:36 < dongs> stm32+junk board = 60
2016-09-23T15:25:43 < dongs> stm32+junk-pmos turning off junk = 60
2016-09-23T15:26:00 < dongs> i2c is pulled up to rail behind junkpmos
2016-09-23T15:26:11 < dongs> NRST pullup is like 1M
2016-09-23T15:26:21 < dongs> PMOS pullup is 1M also
2016-09-23T15:26:34 < dongs> i put that and pmos on emmptyboard, no change in power consumption so it sok
2016-09-23T15:26:43 < jadew> what is it driving
2016-09-23T15:27:01 < jadew> those I2C pullups will eat a lot more than 60 uA when you're using I2C
2016-09-23T15:27:01 < dongs> even tho wolfram says 1M pullup should be using 2.5uA
2016-09-23T15:27:11 < dongs> jadew: i2c pullups are behind pmos
2016-09-23T15:27:39 < zyp> so, are you sure you're not leaking through the pmos?
2016-09-23T15:27:54 < dongs> leaking what? when its off, board still drwas 60
2016-09-23T15:27:59 < dongs> by off i mean, off the board
2016-09-23T15:28:06 < zyp> oh, okay
2016-09-23T15:28:18 < zyp> leaking through gpios?
2016-09-23T15:28:25 < dongs> not much on them
2016-09-23T15:28:27 < zyp> or are they all tristated?
2016-09-23T15:28:42 < zyp> well, is there anything on them?
2016-09-23T15:28:42 < dongs> well, RM says theyre all highz in standby
2016-09-23T15:28:51 < jadew> dongs start removing components
2016-09-23T15:28:57 < dongs> jadew: or adding to the blankboard
2016-09-23T15:29:07 < zyp> a high gpio would power the rest of the circuit through tvs diodes of the chip it's connected to or some shit
2016-09-23T15:30:08 < dongs> In Standby mode, all I/O pins are high impedance except for: *          - Reset pad (still available) 
2016-09-23T15:30:11 < dongs>   *          - RTC_AF1 pin (PC13) if configured for tamper, time-stamp, RTC 
2016-09-23T15:30:14 < dongs>   *            Alarm out, or RTC clock calibration out.
2016-09-23T15:30:16 < dongs>   *          - RTC_AF2 pin (PI8) if configured for tamper or time-stamp.   *          - WKUP pin 1 (PA0) if enabled.
2016-09-23T15:31:28 < zyp> kinda hard to guess where you're leaking without seeing a schematic
2016-09-23T15:34:37 < karlp> Why is the screen blurry on start up?
2016-09-23T15:34:37 < karlp> A     
2016-09-23T15:34:38 < karlp> Change to a new HDMI cable.
2016-09-23T15:34:43 < karlp> riiiiight
2016-09-23T15:34:48 < zyp> haha
2016-09-23T15:34:55 < dongs> lolle
2016-09-23T15:36:09 < dongs> ok i got a theory lets see
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2016-09-23T15:44:37 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBp6opkcxoc
2016-09-23T15:58:35 < Ecco> Are coils with 10-20 uH available in SMT packages? What would be a reasonable price for such a part?
2016-09-23T16:01:50 < dongs> why the fuck wouldnt they be
2016-09-23T16:01:54 < dongs> but what do you need a 20uh coil for
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2016-09-23T16:30:55 < dongs> ~has anyone successfully used STM I2C with internal pullups lol
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2016-09-23T16:36:28 < emeryth> I think I did, on F072
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2016-09-23T16:41:16 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTfpEyQJoOA
2016-09-23T16:41:18 < dongs> fucking lmao
2016-09-23T16:42:05 < stvn> perfect
2016-09-23T16:43:07 < dongs> emeryth: for sure or "maybe"
2016-09-23T16:43:35 < karlp> hey swastika pieces
2016-09-23T16:45:00 < jadew> http://imgur.com/ZjroBdd
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2016-09-23T16:46:28 < stvn> the drug smack
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2016-09-23T16:54:55 < emeryth> dongs: I'm pretty sure there were no external pullups (can't find the schematic), and I remember that I couldn't get it up to high speed (for whatever reason), but it worked
2016-09-23T16:55:22 < dongs> cool
2016-09-23T16:55:24 < stvn> tell them the way R2COM 
2016-09-23T16:55:37 < dongs> tell tehm you only do it in kikecad
2016-09-23T16:55:49 < stvn> nah that's my tool lol
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2016-09-23T17:01:30 < karlp> damn you're needy
2016-09-23T17:01:41 < dongs> in the datasheet
2016-09-23T17:06:20 < Ecco> R2COm : http://www.buydisplay.com/download/connector/ER-CON06HB-1.pdf
2016-09-23T17:06:31 < Ecco> You'll need a connector
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2016-09-23T17:06:58 < Ecco> Don't worry though, the datasheet has been cheked by Tony
2016-09-23T17:08:02 < stvn> sweet
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2016-09-23T17:44:16 < Rob235> hi peeps
2016-09-23T17:47:11 < dongs> allright
2016-09-23T17:47:18 < dongs> so I got my power consumption thing sorta solved
2016-09-23T17:47:22 < dongs> but not how i expected it to
2016-09-23T17:48:07 < karlp> .... waiting?
2016-09-23T17:48:29 < dongs> there's a LIS2DH12 on board
2016-09-23T17:49:15 < dongs> it was also directly connected to battery
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2016-09-23T17:51:23 < dongs> even in power down mode, that was drawing ~60uA
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2016-09-23T17:52:07 < karlp> disable power down mode, use pmos?
2016-09-23T17:52:29 < dongs> no     
2016-09-23T17:52:41 < dongs> anyway , i cut VCC to it completely
2016-09-23T17:52:44 < dongs> just cut that trace
2016-09-23T17:52:47 < dongs> surprise: it still wroks
2016-09-23T17:52:52 < dongs> getting powered by them pullups
2016-09-23T17:53:01 < dongs> so, when i enter standby mode now
2016-09-23T17:53:21 < dongs> pmos off, stm off, there's really no voltage left on the gated power rail, and it properly turns off now.
2016-09-23T17:53:41 < dongs> standby 2.something uA with this setup.
2016-09-23T17:53:51 < dongs> unfortunately i need accel working when its sleeping :)
2016-09-23T17:53:56 < dongs> time to try somethin else
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2016-09-23T18:04:48 < dongs> hm nope.
2016-09-23T18:05:04 < dongs> i guess ill just put that accel on SPI and be done with it.
2016-09-23T18:13:17 < karlp> i2c is dead, long live spi
2016-09-23T18:14:25 < dongs> ya     
2016-09-23T18:14:33 < dongs> i think im gonna have the dudes email ST FAE abvout this tho
2016-09-23T18:14:37 < dongs> im curious what exactly causes it
2016-09-23T18:15:10 < dongs> so basically, accel vcc = cut, no pullups on i2c (internal to stm) = works, can still read acc, standby = 2uA
2016-09-23T18:15:22 < dongs> accel vcc on, no pullups=  works, standby baseline 60uA
2016-09-23T18:16:41 < Rob235> credit card company just doubled my limit... they shouldn't have done that
2016-09-23T18:20:31 < Thorn> and increased APR?
2016-09-23T18:21:00 < Rob235> I doubt it changed.. it doesn't matter, I doubt I've paid more than $10 in interest since I got the card about 2 years ago
2016-09-23T18:21:20 < Rob235> just trying to build my credit back up, I pay it off each month
2016-09-23T18:24:25 < Thorn> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/armv8-m-microcontroller-architecture-trustzone-security,30532.html
2016-09-23T18:24:46 < Thorn> are there any implementations announced yet?
2016-09-23T18:27:36 < Rob235> what do you need security for
2016-09-23T18:31:12 < Thorn> there has to be more to it than security http://www.arm.com/products/processors/instruction-set-architectures/armv8-m-architecture.php
2016-09-23T18:31:25 < Thorn> although I don't see any new DSP stuff for example :/
2016-09-23T18:33:44 < dongs> anyway
2016-09-23T18:33:49 < dongs> pretty happy wiht this standby stuff.
2016-09-23T18:34:00 < dongs> 2uA is gonna last a long time off AA batt
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2016-09-23T18:38:34 < Rob235> I wish I had a backyard.  I'm pretty sure this semi-auto pid tuning isn't going to work the first time and I don't want to drive somewhere for 30 seconds of testing :)
2016-09-23T18:59:12 < karlp> pick a new hobby :)
2016-09-23T19:01:44 < Rob235> I'm actually moving and will have a backyard in a month or two so problem solved
2016-09-23T19:01:56 < Rob235> in the meantime, I'm gonna get ready and see how horribly this goes wrong :)
2016-09-23T19:02:10 < Rob235> gf is at work so might be hard to film it
2016-09-23T19:02:38 < karlp> Thorn: adds 32bit instructions?
2016-09-23T19:03:42 < Thorn> as I understand it it's like cortex-m0 vs m3
2016-09-23T19:03:55 < Thorn> most m0 instructions are 16-bit
2016-09-23T19:04:34 < Thorn> the Baseline profile may be the new m0
2016-09-23T19:04:56 < Thorn> >Baseline extends ARMv6-M  <-- well here is the confirmation
2016-09-23T19:05:29 < karlp> yeah, I was curious if that was a typo or not.
2016-09-23T19:10:23 < karlp> thanks arm: It is IMPLEMENTATION DEFINED whether stepping a WFE or WFI instruction causes the WFE or WFI instruction to:
2016-09-23T19:10:27 < karlp> •     
2016-09-23T19:10:29 < karlp> Retire and take the debug event.
2016-09-23T19:10:32 < karlp> •     
2016-09-23T19:10:34 < karlp> Go into a sleep state and take the debug event only when another wake up event occurs.
2016-09-23T19:13:07 < karlp> nice to explicitly include support for c11/c++11 atomics
2016-09-23T19:13:45 < karlp> yar, baseline is m0 compat, "main" is m7 compat
2016-09-23T19:13:55 < karlp> sorry, v6m, v7m.
2016-09-23T19:14:22 < Thorn> why do they need explicit support btw? does that mean you can't implement atomics on existing cortex-m?
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2016-09-23T19:40:44 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/KmO7Le3.gifv
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2016-09-23T20:07:13 < Thorn> is there something like hp 461a but differential?
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2016-09-23T20:21:04 < upgrdman> "and this one time in band camp..."
2016-09-23T20:21:47 < upgrdman> drill a precise hole, or have a machinist boar one to spec
2016-09-23T20:21:53 < upgrdman> bore*
2016-09-23T20:22:07 < upgrdman> grommet the hole
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2016-09-23T20:23:03 < upgrdman> hmm ya the thread would make that a problem
2016-09-23T20:23:06 < upgrdman> uh     
2016-09-23T20:23:20 < upgrdman> rubber washer might be easier
2016-09-23T20:23:26 < upgrdman> between SMA and inside surface of case
2016-09-23T20:23:53 < upgrdman> MORE IMPORTANTLY im sure theres IP-rated rf connectors
2016-09-23T20:23:59 < upgrdman> ya     
2016-09-23T20:24:03 < upgrdman> but IP-rated shit
2016-09-23T20:24:12 < upgrdman> what are you, some ardutard?
2016-09-23T20:24:15 < upgrdman> ingress protection
2016-09-23T20:24:21 < upgrdman> ip67 or whatever is common
2016-09-23T20:24:47 < upgrdman> http://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/a/amphenol-rf-division/sealed-solutions
2016-09-23T20:25:35 < upgrdman> https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=sma%20connector%20ip67
2016-09-23T20:25:57 < upgrdman> guess so. never done this before.
2016-09-23T20:26:04 < upgrdman> why you going to china for rf shits
2016-09-23T20:26:12 < upgrdman> i thought you were pro spacex russian engineer
2016-09-23T20:26:48 < upgrdman> im super fukking pro
2016-09-23T20:27:00 < upgrdman> yes     
2016-09-23T20:27:07 < upgrdman> pro bros
2016-09-23T20:27:19 < upgrdman> indeed
2016-09-23T20:30:35 < kakimir> f35 multifailer
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2016-09-23T20:31:52 < kakimir> what is serious about it
2016-09-23T20:32:29 < kakimir> tell me more
2016-09-23T20:32:55 < kakimir> later
2016-09-23T20:34:06 < Thorn> is this 50 or 75 ohm https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/1PCS-BNC-Male-to-4MM-Twin-Dual-Banana-Plug-Jack-Female-Coaxial-Adapte-Connector/731439_32468459283.html
2016-09-23T20:35:37 < BrainDamage> 50     
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2016-09-23T20:35:45 < BrainDamage> 75 don't have the dielectric rin
2016-09-23T20:35:53 < kakimir> cool
2016-09-23T20:35:59 < kakimir> didn't know that
2016-09-23T20:36:43 < Thorn> what about these https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/10pcs-BNC-T-Adapter-Splitter-Connector-Coupler-1-Male-to-2-Female-Jack-Plug-for-cctv/731439_32409383175.html
2016-09-23T20:37:10 < BrainDamage> still 50
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2016-09-23T20:37:29 < kakimir> I need ultra low power delay circuit
2016-09-23T20:37:32 < BrainDamage> provided the picture is of the real plugs and not a generic stock photo
2016-09-23T20:38:07 < Thorn> it says cctv, isn't it supposed to be 75
2016-09-23T20:38:28 < BrainDamage> it makes jack shit difference at those frequenies
2016-09-23T20:39:05 < BrainDamage> also the rca bnc converter too, if you can use one, you don't care about characteristic impedance
2016-09-23T20:39:13 < Thorn> but connectors are incompatible
2016-09-23T20:39:23 < BrainDamage> sure, so use all 50 or all75
2016-09-23T20:39:36 < BrainDamage> and 50 are more common due to all instrumentation
2016-09-23T20:39:41 < Thorn> that's what I'm trying to ensure lol
2016-09-23T20:40:00 < BrainDamage> use sma :J
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2016-09-23T20:51:53 < kakimir> http://www.allelectronics.com/item/tcf-94/thermal-cut-off-94c/1.html how does this work?
2016-09-23T20:51:57 < kakimir> 94celsius
2016-09-23T20:52:02 < kakimir> 10amps 250vac
2016-09-23T20:52:05 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/NaRHOmg
2016-09-23T20:53:08 < BrainDamage> kakimir: bimetallic strip
2016-09-23T20:54:18 < kakimir> that is one-time
2016-09-23T20:55:18 < BrainDamage> then it has some low melting point metal alloy, likely gallium and some shit
2016-09-23T20:56:29 < kakimir> planning lipo heater
2016-09-23T20:56:34 < kakimir> because finland
2016-09-23T20:59:43 < Thorn> GaS (gallium-shit) alloy
2016-09-23T21:00:18 < kakimir> o galium silicon
2016-09-23T21:04:22 < kakimir> I have planned a while to make a lipo heater
2016-09-23T21:04:26 < Thorn> buying these for my test leads https://www.aliexpress.com/item/8pcs-Nakamichi-4mm-Banana-Plug-Spiral-Type-24K-Gold-Screw-Stereo-Speaker-Audio-Copper-Terminal-Adapter/32548319430.html?spm=2114.12010108.1000023.15.VU8rCL
2016-09-23T21:04:53 < kakimir> cool looking stuff
2016-09-23T21:05:18 < kakimir> I have not once used my banana leads
2016-09-23T21:05:32 < kakimir> 7 of them in different colors
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2016-09-23T21:13:16 < kakimir> I wonder what temperature I should keep lipo at to pull 1C from it with no issues
2016-09-23T21:13:24 < kakimir> -10C ?
2016-09-23T21:14:24 < Steffanx> wut kakimir?
2016-09-23T21:14:51 < Thorn> I thought you were making a heater
2016-09-23T21:15:34 < kakimir> sure
2016-09-23T21:15:43 < kakimir> point is to heat not more than needed
2016-09-23T21:15:50 < kakimir> keep it in that sweet spot
2016-09-23T21:16:12 < BrainDamage> you know that when you start drawing it'll self heat right?
2016-09-23T21:16:13 < kakimir> insulate the box with foam
2016-09-23T21:16:30 < BrainDamage> you onl need to heat if the battery is unused
2016-09-23T21:16:41 < kakimir> BrainDamage: there is no point to pull amperes out of it when battery is -30Celsius
2016-09-23T21:17:02 < kakimir> and you suddenly need that juice
2016-09-23T21:17:15 < kakimir> device has wakeup
2016-09-23T21:17:18 < BrainDamage> it won't go to -30 if you're pulling current, again as i said, you need to heat when it's not used
2016-09-23T21:17:46 < kakimir> is it used when 30microamperes are required?
2016-09-23T21:17:56 < kakimir> *pulled by application
2016-09-23T21:17:58 < BrainDamage> ok, that won't heat it appreciably
2016-09-23T21:18:08 < kakimir> that's what I thought
2016-09-23T21:20:19 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/t4ic7a2.jpg
2016-09-23T21:29:32 < Thorn> wat https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/10pcs-High-Quality-2mm-banana-plug-speaker-Terminals-plug-Amp-plugs-wiring-pin-plug-Hi-fi/731439_32471444160.html
2016-09-23T21:30:10 < BrainDamage> bananas are notoriously curved, duh
2016-09-23T21:30:59 < Thorn> are these even male or female
2016-09-23T21:31:13 < Thorn> or these https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/5Pair-10pcs-High-Quality-New-24K-Gold-Nakamichi-Speaker-Pin-2mm-Banana-Plugs-Speaker-wire-Screw/731439_32647924620.html
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2016-09-23T21:38:43 < Steffanx> Does it work jadew?
2016-09-23T21:39:17 < jadew> I'll let you know
2016-09-23T21:39:24 < Steffanx> Excellent :)
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2016-09-23T22:52:50 < Steffanx> this is uhf office englishman?
2016-09-23T22:54:18 < Steffanx> 12mbit is hardly enough to even watch your 2 new friends.
2016-09-23T23:03:41 < Thorn> >50 ohm and 75 ohm BNC are 100% physically compatible, it is perfectly safe to mate then to each other.
2016-09-23T23:03:47 < Thorn> what rly?
2016-09-23T23:04:35 < BrainDamage> yes, for the third time, the only difference is that 50 has the dielectric ring
2016-09-23T23:04:41 < BrainDamage> the 75 has a gap
2016-09-23T23:07:03 < BrainDamage> but carful that every mismatch if you're in distributed mode you lose 20% of the amplitude, + nasty echos if you have > 1
2016-09-23T23:07:20 < BrainDamage> but then if you're doing CCTV, who cares
2016-09-23T23:10:42 < Thorn> I thought that ring would prevent them from being mated
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2016-09-23T23:26:32 < BrainDamage> why, the otherhas a gap
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2016-09-23T23:49:09 < Laurenceb__> Centipede
2016-09-23T23:50:46 < Thorn> a nimble navigator?
2016-09-23T23:51:18 < Laurenceb__> meme confirmed
2016-09-23T23:53:44 < kakimir> is virtual curencies still running Laurenceb__ ?
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2016-09-24T00:10:22 < kakimir> http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/images/li-po-discharge-curves-various-temperatures.jpg there is most clear jump between -10 and -20
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2016-09-24T00:11:22 < kakimir> http://cmicrotek.com/wordpress_159256135/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/LiPo-temp-curves.png
2016-09-24T00:12:35 < kakimir> the best plan is to heat the cell just enought for it to provide power required and start heating itself
2016-09-24T00:13:01 < kakimir> maximum power required at wakeup event
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2016-09-24T00:17:03 < kakimir> but don't want to have uvlo at half empty battery..
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2016-09-24T00:22:33 < kakimir> solution is short circuit heating of lipo
2016-09-24T00:23:45 < kakimir> by switching fast shorts to lipo and having regulator with beefy caps behind another fet
2016-09-24T00:24:35 < Laurenceb__> what are you building?
2016-09-24T00:24:52 < kakimir> outdoor stuff
2016-09-24T00:26:20 < kakimir> I wonder if short circuit heating is legit
2016-09-24T00:26:41 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8hvyjZWHs
2016-09-24T00:28:34 < kakimir> I don't think there is any issue with short time shorts
2016-09-24T00:30:39 < kakimir> there is no studies about short circuit heating lipos on-demand
2016-09-24T00:33:52 < Rob235> :(     
2016-09-24T00:33:57 < kakimir> it would cost more to have robbust fet than some ptc heater and crappy fet
2016-09-24T00:34:09 < Rob235> I need to fix my FC, got some base shit that needs to be worked out before I move on
2016-09-24T00:34:10 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/9-eFbf__NXo
2016-09-24T00:35:07 < kakimir> nice weather
2016-09-24T00:35:46 < Rob235> yea beautiful day
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2016-09-24T00:36:09 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/svslxM.jpg
2016-09-24T00:36:21 < kakimir> Rob235: you have multirotor firmwares in your escs?
2016-09-24T00:36:55 < jadew> my connectioni seems slow today too
2016-09-24T00:37:07 < jadew> ah, scrollback again
2016-09-24T00:37:10 < kakimir> stupid you flew it in only fence there was!
2016-09-24T00:37:28 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: :D
2016-09-24T00:37:29 < Rob235> the whole area was enclosed by a fence
2016-09-24T00:38:29 < kakimir> Rob235: where is you living?
2016-09-24T00:38:29 < jadew> I think there's something fishy going on with my connection
2016-09-24T00:38:54 < Rob235> new jersey, US
2016-09-24T00:39:15 < jadew> ah, nvm, must have been just a fluke
2016-09-24T00:40:00 < jadew> englishman: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5657447070
2016-09-24T00:41:05 < jadew> hehe
2016-09-24T00:42:15 < jadew> it's silly
2016-09-24T00:42:48 < kakimir> you have to possess the thing and using it comes second
2016-09-24T00:42:52 < jadew> fiber optics technology has become super cheap
2016-09-24T00:44:32 < Rob235> I have 150/(10 or 20?) for $85/month
2016-09-24T00:44:54 < jadew> I'm paying $15 for this
2016-09-24T00:45:36 < jadew> and they just came today at my door to offer us 3 smart phones for ~$4 each/mo
2016-09-24T00:45:39 < jadew> unlimited internet
2016-09-24T00:45:50 < jadew> +3000 international minutes
2016-09-24T00:46:01 < jadew> each!
2016-09-24T00:46:12 < jadew> and it would cost 4.something if you just wanted one
2016-09-24T00:48:07 < jadew> oh sorry, unlimited in the US, EU, Canada and China
2016-09-24T00:48:24 < jadew> and 3000 in other networks that don't fit in the "free ones"
2016-09-24T00:48:41 < jadew> that's extremely good, no?
2016-09-24T00:49:08 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-24T00:49:16 < jadew> but the bandwidth gets limited after 30 Gb
2016-09-24T00:50:07 < kakimir> I use 100GB of 4G data per month
2016-09-24T00:50:35 < kakimir> 16,90eur bargain
2016-09-24T00:51:21 < Rob235> my gf and I share 6GB without problem
2016-09-24T00:51:21 < jadew> I used 2 Mb last month
2016-09-24T00:51:38 < Rob235> she uses about 75% of it
2016-09-24T00:52:16 < jadew> I don't leave the house much and when I do... I'm just not a phone person
2016-09-24T00:53:09 < jadew> http://www.rcs-rds.ro/
2016-09-24T00:54:50 < jadew> less than 100 Mbps is unacceptable
2016-09-24T00:55:08 < jadew> I had that in 2000
2016-09-24T00:56:18 < jadew> lol, yeah
2016-09-24T00:56:53 < jadew> back then DC was all the rage
2016-09-24T00:56:57 < Steffanx> mean where englishman? The 2 friends thing?
2016-09-24T00:57:10 < Steffanx> that wasnt mean.
2016-09-24T00:58:21 < jadew> what jungle buddies?
2016-09-24T01:00:29  * jadew gets it now
2016-09-24T01:00:37 < Steffanx> \o/     
2016-09-24T01:00:50 < Laurenceb__> http://8ch.net/newsplus/res/27634.html
2016-09-24T01:01:11 < Laurenceb__> 8chan + emdrive = full memetic
2016-09-24T01:01:24 < Steffanx> = full can't give a dan
2016-09-24T01:01:27 < Steffanx> damn
2016-09-24T01:02:06 < Thorn> >Nasa tests ‘BARF DRIVE’ engine
2016-09-24T01:03:45 < jadew> this is Laurenceb__'s setup for following everything on the intrawebz: http://fooyoh.com/files/attach/images/1097/991/308/014/monitor8.jpg
2016-09-24T01:04:18 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p42Nf_M_Rso
2016-09-24T01:04:47 < jadew> one monitor for reddit's r/politics, one for r/funny, one for that show on youtube, one for 4 chan, one for 8 chan and another one for IRC
2016-09-24T01:05:06 < jadew> am I right?
2016-09-24T01:05:26 < Steffanx> No towel on the desk?
2016-09-24T01:05:30 < Steffanx> *tissues
2016-09-24T01:05:38 < Laurenceb__> pretty much
2016-09-24T01:06:20 < jadew> was just thinking of taking a photo of my desk right now but I didn't feel like removing all the tissues
2016-09-24T01:06:43 < Steffanx> :P     
2016-09-24T01:07:12 < jadew> in fact, I use toilet paper a lot, to blow my noise, to clean stuff and as a tablecloth
2016-09-24T01:07:30 < jadew> I lay down 4 squares of toilet paper <= that's where I put the bread
2016-09-24T01:07:55 < Steffanx> here in dutchland we have plates for that.
2016-09-24T01:08:07 < jadew> there's not enough space for two plates
2016-09-24T01:09:06 < jadew> it sucks to be out of tablecloth
2016-09-24T01:11:51 < kakimir> did I calculate rigth that keeping battery 20celsius above ambient with a box covered with 0.4m * 0.4m piece of 4cm wool would require 3.2W of constant heating?
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2016-09-24T01:12:39 < kakimir> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-conductivity-d_429.html
2016-09-24T01:13:02 < jadew> I had some notes on thermal dissipation, but I have no idea where they are now
2016-09-24T01:13:17 < kakimir> in the internet?
2016-09-24T01:13:23 < jadew> on my pc
2016-09-24T01:13:41 < jadew> the math is fairly simple tho
2016-09-24T01:13:46 < kakimir> it is
2016-09-24T01:15:24 < kakimir> I wonder if in house heating it would be more efficient to have some sort of wool aircap wool aircap wool instaed of solid block of wool
2016-09-24T01:16:16 < kakimir> air is liek pretty good at keeping heat
2016-09-24T01:16:17 < jadew> definitely more efficient
2016-09-24T01:16:19 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-24T01:16:29 < kakimir> if there is some walls in aircap
2016-09-24T01:16:37 < kakimir> to limit flow
2016-09-24T01:17:24 < Rob235> thats why they have double paned windows
2016-09-24T01:17:37 < Rob235> air = good insulator
2016-09-24T01:19:17 < kakimir> it because you can't see thru solid insulators
2016-09-24T01:19:28 < kakimir> use gasonous one that is already present
2016-09-24T01:20:06 < kakimir> and that is why you have 4layer windows nowdays
2016-09-24T01:20:15 < Laurenceb__> I was looking at insulation for thermal airships
2016-09-24T01:20:36 < Laurenceb__> most efficient is probably lots of thin sheets of aluminized film with air gaps
2016-09-24T01:20:49 < Laurenceb__> a multifoil with large gaps
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2016-09-24T01:20:58 < kakimir> make it microscopic foam
2016-09-24T01:23:25 < kakimir> with captured air bubbles having ultra thin aluminum coating
2016-09-24T01:24:02 < Laurenceb__> ur not gettin it
2016-09-24T01:24:13 < Laurenceb__> I give up talking to kakimir
2016-09-24T01:24:28 < Steffanx> no you wont.
2016-09-24T01:24:39 < kakimir> how do you do those aircaps between films Laurenceb__ ?
2016-09-24T01:24:59 < Laurenceb__> you mean airgaps?
2016-09-24T01:25:03 < Laurenceb__> with spacers
2016-09-24T01:27:16 < kakimir> are you building heated balloon?
2016-09-24T01:27:56 < Steffanx> rockooning much probably.
2016-09-24T01:28:25 < Laurenceb__> nah I was looking at economics of airship containerfreight
2016-09-24T01:29:02 < kakimir> butt the heated baloon inside a hydrogen balloon and use hydrogen as insulation
2016-09-24T01:29:18 < Laurenceb__> hydrogen is a dreadfully bad insulator
2016-09-24T01:29:40 < Laurenceb__> also flammable
2016-09-24T01:29:54 < kakimir> could you heat up those balloons with all the heat from engines?
2016-09-24T01:30:01 < Laurenceb__> yes     
2016-09-24T01:30:06 < kakimir> coolant + exhaust
2016-09-24T01:30:08 < kakimir> that is cool
2016-09-24T01:30:09 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2016-09-24T01:30:23 < kakimir> when?
2016-09-24T01:30:25 < Laurenceb__> my design with for an airship using off the shelf marine kit
2016-09-24T01:30:41 < Laurenceb__> when someone gives me $10billiob
2016-09-24T01:30:43 < Laurenceb__> *n     
2016-09-24T01:30:49 < kakimir> ask musk
2016-09-24T01:30:59 < Laurenceb__> lul     
2016-09-24T01:31:07 < Laurenceb__> well it seems more sane that hyperloop
2016-09-24T01:31:11 < Laurenceb__> *than
2016-09-24T01:31:21 < kakimir> it could actually make money
2016-09-24T01:31:30 < Laurenceb__> it could make trillions
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2016-09-24T01:32:00 < Laurenceb__> direct flights to inland container ports at 100mph
2016-09-24T01:32:42 < Laurenceb__> only limiting factor is worldwide fibreglass production capacity :P
2016-09-24T01:32:46 < kakimir> it could even deliver direct to target
2016-09-24T01:32:48 < Laurenceb__> it's have to be made from GRP
2016-09-24T01:33:16 < Laurenceb__> direct delivery would always be impractical... unless amazon style drones became a thing
2016-09-24T01:33:17 < kakimir> if it had an crane
2016-09-24T01:33:17 < Steffanx> And crash horribly like all the other balloonish transporters did. 
2016-09-24T01:33:44 < kakimir> all hot baloon or partially helium?
2016-09-24T01:33:51 < kakimir> you know helium runs out
2016-09-24T01:33:59 < Laurenceb__> well they lacked buoyancy control/ used hydrogen without safety practices
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2016-09-24T01:34:12 < Laurenceb__> helium would never be practical for supermassive airships
2016-09-24T01:34:33 < Laurenceb__> a 1million ton thing would be about the limit for fibreglass, and over 3km long
2016-09-24T01:34:48 < kakimir> cover?
2016-09-24T01:34:52 < kakimir> fiberglass?
2016-09-24T01:35:15 < Laurenceb__> no, struts
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2016-09-24T01:35:48 < Laurenceb__> GRP struts with  some sort of polymer film cover
2016-09-24T01:35:55 < Laurenceb__> cover isnt really an issue
2016-09-24T01:36:08 < jadew> Laurenceb, wouldn't it also make it a lot heavier?
2016-09-24T01:36:16 < jadew> scrollback again
2016-09-24T01:36:20 < Laurenceb__> but the strength to mass of the structural material sets the size limit
2016-09-24T01:36:25 < jadew> but probably the same discussion
2016-09-24T01:36:40 < kakimir> does it have to be that big?
2016-09-24T01:36:48 < kakimir> just make 10kilounits of them
2016-09-24T01:36:58 < Laurenceb__> kakimir: efficiency rises a lot with size
2016-09-24T01:37:03 < jadew> I was refering to having the doulbe layer thing, with the air in the middle
2016-09-24T01:37:08 < jadew> you're talking about baloons, right?
2016-09-24T01:37:14 < Laurenceb__> jadew: yes
2016-09-24T01:37:23 < jadew> wouldn't that make them much heavier?
2016-09-24T01:37:27 < Laurenceb__> optimal design of multifoil requires CFD
2016-09-24T01:37:31 < kakimir> link them with rope and use one to pull others
2016-09-24T01:37:41 < kakimir> oh wait heating..
2016-09-24T01:37:45 < Laurenceb__> jadew: you need some layers in the middle to break up convection
2016-09-24T01:38:24 < Laurenceb__> kakimir: a very large airship with marine diesel engine would be the most efficient way to more cargo ever
2016-09-24T01:38:34 < Laurenceb__> and also four times faster than a ship
2016-09-24T01:38:48 < kakimir> also cost more?
2016-09-24T01:39:07 < kakimir> like.. 10times more?
2016-09-24T01:39:12 < Laurenceb__> not much more if it used mass produced GRP struts
2016-09-24T01:39:41 < Laurenceb__> maybe 3 times the price of an equivalent ship
2016-09-24T01:39:44 < jadew> are they still making zeppelins?
2016-09-24T01:39:49 < kakimir> yes     
2016-09-24T01:40:03 < Laurenceb__> but 4 times faster + direct
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2016-09-24T01:40:25 < Laurenceb__> so return on investment economics are similar
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2016-09-24T01:41:05 < sync> jadew: blimbs
2016-09-24T01:41:29 < Laurenceb__> blimps have a pretty poor upper size limit
2016-09-24T01:41:54 < Laurenceb__> airlander50 is about the upper limit using kevlar, CF and other v expensive envelope materials
2016-09-24T01:41:57 < jadew> how safe are they tho?
2016-09-24T01:42:00 < Laurenceb__> only 50 tonnes payload
2016-09-24T01:42:06 < jadew> compared to a plane
2016-09-24T01:42:12 < Laurenceb__> jadew: nobody knows...
2016-09-24T01:42:23 < Laurenceb__> R2COM: lulwut, link pls
2016-09-24T01:42:50 < jadew> R2COM, buy them, maybe they'll go away
2016-09-24T01:43:01 < sync> but the zeppelin NT is pretty neat imho
2016-09-24T01:43:18 < Laurenceb__> yeah that uses CF truss structure for bending moments
2016-09-24T01:43:35 < Laurenceb__> super light and low structural mass fraction but expensive
2016-09-24T01:44:58 < Laurenceb__> a supermassive CF framed rigid hydrogen filled airship would probably only be size limited by the thickness of the atmosphere
2016-09-24T01:45:35 < Rob235> sync: you good at figuring out if shitty stabilization on a copter is from PID gains?
2016-09-24T01:46:23 < Laurenceb__> problem is if the hydrogen leaked it would be a WMD
2016-09-24T01:47:27 < Laurenceb__> crackpots spotted http://ssi.org/ssi-woodward-propulsion-workshop/
2016-09-24T01:48:44 < kakimir> what was the right place to order 4layer shittes in small quantities?
2016-09-24T01:49:13 < Laurenceb__> prob seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
2016-09-24T01:49:16 < Laurenceb__> eeeeeeeeeeeeedstudio
2016-09-24T01:49:21 < kakimir> https://www.itead.cc/open-pcb/pcb-prototyping/4layer-pcb-5cm-x-5cm-max.html cool prices
2016-09-24T01:50:14 < Thorn> found Laurenceb__'s cousin https://www.youtube.com/user/Trollencia9000
2016-09-24T01:50:27 < Laurenceb__> the question of "who are the weirdos on nasaspaceflight" is answered
2016-09-24T01:50:29 < Laurenceb__> http://ssi.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ep_rainbow.jpg
2016-09-24T01:50:32 < sync> plot all the shit and look at it Rob235
2016-09-24T01:50:39 < sync> but from afar it is pretty hard to tell
2016-09-24T01:51:58 < Rob235> gotta write the sd card library before I test more I guess, ok thanks
2016-09-24T01:52:09 < Rob235> has to be done anyway
2016-09-24T01:52:34 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Those are cursed scissors - you are sol now:p
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2016-09-24T01:53:26 < Laurenceb__> LeelooMinai> pls link to scissors
2016-09-24T01:53:35 < kakimir> http://www.elecrow.com/services/pcb-prototyping.html do you get 403 forbidden
2016-09-24T01:54:22 < kakimir> chinese holiday soon
2016-09-24T01:54:33 < kakimir> 1-7 oct
2016-09-24T01:54:58 < kakimir> if I send my stuff in now it may not be moment too soo
2016-09-24T01:55:02 < kakimir> soon
2016-09-24T01:55:18 < Laurenceb__> Didn't get any data as the Rf amp died during a test sequence. 
2016-09-24T01:55:22 < Laurenceb__> cool story bro
2016-09-24T01:56:02 < Laurenceb__> wonder if emdrive is a plot to sell amplifiers
2016-09-24T01:56:19 < kakimir> such an adventure that emdrive
2016-09-24T01:57:00 < Laurenceb__> its annoying
2016-09-24T01:57:18 < Laurenceb__> they are all too incompetent to even do any experiments
2016-09-24T01:57:48 < Laurenceb__> so it will never be exposed as fake
2016-09-24T01:58:16 < kakimir> they just keep emjoying the process
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2016-09-24T02:03:32 < kakimir> ※Please note if the sub-board size is smaller than 2cm*2cm in your PCB Gerber file, we will inform you to pay USD16 for the process fee.
2016-09-24T02:04:04 < kakimir> mine is like 4cm long and 14mm wide so process fee is required
2016-09-24T02:06:43 < Laurenceb__> what I expected the emdrive crew to look like
2016-09-24T02:06:45 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/9bU7FfJ.png
2016-09-24T02:09:11 < Laurenceb__> actually that needs retitling to "emdrive crew"
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2016-09-24T02:11:45 < LeelooMinai> Hmm     
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2016-09-24T02:12:10 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Did you look at places that price the PCBs according to area, like oshpark?
2016-09-24T02:12:22 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: If you have tiny board, they are usually good deal.
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2016-09-24T02:13:26 < kakimir> oh     
2016-09-24T02:13:36 < kakimir> 4layer do they have it?
2016-09-24T02:13:50 < LeelooMinai> Yes, at $10 per quare inch I think for 3
2016-09-24T02:14:01 < kakimir> 3 is nothing
2016-09-24T02:14:05 < LeelooMinai> 10 mil min hole with 4 mil ring
2016-09-24T02:14:10 < kakimir> I have need for at least 7
2016-09-24T02:14:39 < LeelooMinai> I did nit check, but they probably have other options if you need more pcbs
2016-09-24T02:14:55 < LeelooMinai> They can do 5 mil traces on 4 layers 
2016-09-24T02:15:15 < LeelooMinai> And the boards are ENIG
2016-09-24T02:16:12 < LeelooMinai> Could be in the past - at some point they dumped some fabs due to quality problems.
2016-09-24T02:17:11 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: If you have more than 150 square inches, they have nice deal - $2 per inch for 4 layers
2016-09-24T02:19:33 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I ordered from them, hmm, maybe 6-10 times, and did not have problems, so I think nowadays they figured out how to get quality right.
2016-09-24T02:19:59 < Laurenceb__> R2COM: PhD
2016-09-24T02:20:53 < Laurenceb__> triggered
2016-09-24T02:23:41  * LeelooMinai produces her divining rod and looks for party poopers
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2016-09-24T02:29:30 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's combined bedroom, living room, workbench for cnc-related work, workbench for EE-related work, with microscope, reqork station, etc. and computer center with 4 monitors:)
2016-09-24T02:30:11 < LeelooMinai> Yes, managed to fit it somehow...
2016-09-24T02:30:36 < LeelooMinai> Forgot CNC and big drill press...
2016-09-24T02:30:48 < LeelooMinai> And reflow oven
2016-09-24T02:33:12 < LeelooMinai> The computer conrer looks kind of like this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/24655172365
2016-09-24T02:34:04 < LeelooMinai> To the right I have prototyping area - where I have all the boards, oscilloscope, microscope, PSU, etc.
2016-09-24T02:34:42 < LeelooMinai> Made big-ass bench myself - it extends to the right, into the soldering place.
2016-09-24T02:35:15 < LeelooMinai> Well, I live in a house with mom, so there is kitchen and bathroom too:)
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2016-09-24T02:40:32 < kakimir> why is elecrow offline?
2016-09-24T02:40:37 < kakimir> :/     
2016-09-24T02:44:52 < LeelooMinai> elecrow is offline because the winter is coming
2016-09-24T02:45:46 < LeelooMinai> If you look at a map, you mayu notice that Canada is kind of big:p
2016-09-24T02:46:12 < LeelooMinai> And most people live to the south. There are places like Vancouver that have pretty nice weather.
2016-09-24T02:46:47 < emeb> PaulFertser: ping
2016-09-24T02:46:49 < LeelooMinai> Right, and die from dehydration in the summer - no thx
2016-09-24T02:47:04 < LeelooMinai> lol     
2016-09-24T02:47:32 < LeelooMinai> If there's 40 deg C, you may drink what you want, but it won't be "nice weather"
2016-09-24T02:47:50 < LeelooMinai> And you get skin cancer probably after a while:)
2016-09-24T02:48:19 < LeelooMinai> Well, there's hot and too hot...
2016-09-24T02:49:04 < kakimir> 40C and 100%RH is quite serious
2016-09-24T02:49:14 < kakimir> once it happens
2016-09-24T02:49:21 < LeelooMinai> There are also probably scorpions there and snakes and other nasty stuff
2016-09-24T02:50:28 < LeelooMinai> Lizards I guess ok, but snakes - that's bad...
2016-09-24T02:51:07 < LeelooMinai> Nothing like waking up with a rattlesnake in your bed in the morning
2016-09-24T02:51:08 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVm5QVzVNVUxWSEU/view so this is not allowed for v grooving having not edge to edge cuts?
2016-09-24T02:51:53 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Allowed where? Each fab can have own rules for this.
2016-09-24T02:51:59 < kakimir> good
2016-09-24T02:52:21 < kakimir> if it's not forbidden I go with it
2016-09-24T02:52:42 < LeelooMinai> I understand a comodo dragon or something being scary, but I think most lizzards are not very deadly:)
2016-09-24T02:53:55 < kakimir> R2COM: that sounds girly to spray it with bug spray
2016-09-24T02:54:00 < LeelooMinai> They may have a lot of bacteria, etc. in their saliva, so probably a good dea to go to hospital after being bitten, but it won't be like snake bite where you can be fubared within 15 minutes
2016-09-24T02:54:07 < kakimir> did you scream in high pitch too?
2016-09-24T02:54:52 < LeelooMinai> I would poke it with a stick or something. Probably would nto spray it because I would be worried that it will harm the lizzard:)
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2016-09-24T02:55:34 < kakimir> I lived in a room where I sprayed that shit while I was inside
2016-09-24T02:56:15 < kakimir> some big bugs fell from ceiling on me
2016-09-24T02:57:26 < kakimir> I don't think it's dangerous or anything
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2016-09-24T03:12:03 < Rob235> what kind of bugs
2016-09-24T03:12:09 < Rob235> kakimir
2016-09-24T03:13:12 < kakimir> long shaped
2016-09-24T03:13:18 < kakimir> black
2016-09-24T03:13:29 < kakimir> shiny cover
2016-09-24T03:13:44 < Rob235> roach?
2016-09-24T03:15:13 < kakimir> no roaches here
2016-09-24T03:17:49 < kakimir> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/351/19756310749_b6ba1dc257.jpg maybe something like this
2016-09-24T03:18:09 < Rob235> looks like some kinda beetle or something
2016-09-24T03:18:39 < kakimir> mealworm
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2016-09-24T03:19:22 < kakimir> it's like worm and then it turns into that thing
2016-09-24T03:20:15 < kakimir> dope metamorphosis
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2016-09-24T03:24:33 < kakimir> its like human would born into form of boa snake and then hatch into hominidae
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2016-09-24T04:05:23 < aandrew> heh that's the thing I kind of like about where I live
2016-09-24T04:05:41 < aandrew> the creepy crawlies are universally benign. worst you'd get is a hornet sting
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2016-09-24T04:37:40 < upgrdman> lol  https://gfycat.com/ElectricPastelBronco
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2016-09-24T04:51:23 < LeelooMinai> That's a new thing there - facial makup for men
2016-09-24T04:53:16 < LeelooMinai> After 10 sessions like that you look like Laurence Fishborne
2016-09-24T04:54:02 < LeelooMinai> Or Fishburn even
2016-09-24T04:54:25 < upgrdman> who is laurence fishfucker
2016-09-24T04:54:39 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: The Morpheus guy from The Matrix:)
2016-09-24T04:54:40 < dongs> upgrdman: yo ufucking paki
2016-09-24T04:54:43 < dongs> ^      
2016-09-24T04:54:57 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, oh that fuck
2016-09-24T04:55:01 < upgrdman> dongs, ?
2016-09-24T04:55:07 < dongs> (not knowing who he is)
2016-09-24T04:55:11 < upgrdman> o     
2016-09-24T04:56:03 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Not racist - I meant he has bad skin:)
2016-09-24T04:56:16 < upgrdman> R2COM, im innovating learning of opengl
2016-09-24T04:56:29 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Condolences:/
2016-09-24T04:56:42 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, :) some better option?
2016-09-24T04:56:57 < dongs> i innovated stm32f4 drawing 2uA in standby mode
2016-09-24T04:57:37 < LeelooMinai> Probably not? I don't really know much about alternatives - just remember my experiences with it. Kind of like walking on a minefield:)
2016-09-24T04:58:29 < LeelooMinai> All sorts of weird low level buffers to allocate and release, and then pass around with a lot of rules, etc.
2016-09-24T04:59:03 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I just wrote that I wrote some stuff in OpenGL and relate my experiences...
2016-09-24T04:59:11 < dongs> R2COM: typical of irc m2f types, attention whoring without a reason
2016-09-24T04:59:43 < LeelooMinai> What is wrong with this guy? Is he some kind of local homophobe?
2016-09-24T05:00:13 < upgrdman> afraid of gays
2016-09-24T05:00:19 < LeelooMinai> Look it up:)
2016-09-24T05:00:27 < upgrdman> its a word used by SJWs to shut down productive conversation
2016-09-24T05:00:41 < dongs> stop inserting smileys after every fucking line, nobody is laughing
2016-09-24T05:01:08 < dongs> haha
2016-09-24T05:01:08 < upgrdman> social justice warrior. those douche bags that get all butt hurt when youre insensitive to stupid shit
2016-09-24T05:01:11 < dongs> R2COM: best if you dont
2016-09-24T05:01:14 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Ok, you just broke your rule from yesterday - plase, ban yourself now.
2016-09-24T05:01:35 < LeelooMinai> No, I thought so...
2016-09-24T05:02:56 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: I don't think that description applies to me, he is pretty openly offensive towards me, and suggests things that are just not true
2016-09-24T05:03:09 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, who, dongs
2016-09-24T05:03:10 < upgrdman> ?     
2016-09-24T05:03:20 < LeelooMinai> And who do you think?
2016-09-24T05:03:27 < upgrdman> thats part of who he is. and it's socially acceptable in here.
2016-09-24T05:03:53 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: That's retarded, sorry:)
2016-09-24T05:04:22 < dongs> hackkitten is retarded too
2016-09-24T05:04:32 < LeelooMinai> In a "you just won stupid of the year" award way
2016-09-24T05:04:41 < upgrdman> i miss when flycuck was crazy in here too
2016-09-24T05:04:44 < dongs> you dont wanna google hackkitten
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2016-09-24T05:05:39 < dongs> haha
2016-09-24T05:06:38 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: I am no SJW, but I thought it's kind of common sense that calling people names on IRC day after day is kind of counter-productive and makes bad atmosphere, no?
2016-09-24T05:06:52 < upgrdman> not at all
2016-09-24T05:06:54 < dongs> sorry, this is not a safe space
2016-09-24T05:06:59 < upgrdman> it IS the atmosphere
2016-09-24T05:07:06 < dongs> you wanna safe space, you head over to #hackvana or something
2016-09-24T05:07:07 < upgrdman> its part of what makes this channel great
2016-09-24T05:07:21 < LeelooMinai> I don't care about safe space... 
2016-09-24T05:07:33 < upgrdman> soon you'll get withdrawls if you dont get your daily dose of dongs
2016-09-24T05:07:41 < LeelooMinai> But flinging shit at people who, say, yesterday were heliong you is idiotic.
2016-09-24T05:09:04 < LeelooMinai> What Leeloominai-like people? Are you stupid or something?
2016-09-24T05:10:05 < zyp> wtf are you going on about tonight?
2016-09-24T05:10:15 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, bottom line, dont expect people to change. ignore people you dont like. done.
2016-09-24T05:10:33 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I just wrote I don't care about safe space. What saddens me is when I know someone on IRC, can have normal converstations with them, exchange ideas, and one day they go full retard like upgrademan and joing dongs in some vulgar hopophobic shit,
2016-09-24T05:10:47 < upgrdman> lolwut
2016-09-24T05:10:55 < upgrdman> how was i homophobic?
2016-09-24T05:11:01 < upgrdman> i never attacked you
2016-09-24T05:11:07 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: dongs was and you applauded him...
2016-09-24T05:11:52 < dongs> look dude, if you cant handle irc, just /quit
2016-09-24T05:11:54 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: What kind of stupid question is this? I don't care if it's racis, homophibic, vulgar, or whatever - my question is why suddenly? Is that personb mentally unstable or what?
2016-09-24T05:12:25 < dongs> LeelooMinai: look at how you fucking act. you butt into conversations bringing absoultely nothing NEW to the discussion other than a shitstorm of smiley faces
2016-09-24T05:12:26 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Seens you can't handle irc - you started to say you will ban me yesterday - seems you feel unsafe there.
2016-09-24T05:12:43 < LeelooMinai> dongs: That's BS and you know it
2016-09-24T05:12:58 < dongs> you're like a content-less o6
2016-09-24T05:13:01 < dongs> which is probably evne worse
2016-09-24T05:13:22 < LeelooMinai> dongs: I could say same about you - you bring nothing into conversations but a shitstorm of animosity and homophobia + racism
2016-09-24T05:13:31 < dongs> how the fuck is taht a problem
2016-09-24T05:13:34 < dongs> welcome to irc
2016-09-24T05:14:07 < LeelooMinai> dongs: If it's not a problem, what is your problem with me? :)
2016-09-24T05:14:16 < zyp> I don't get why you guys are wasting time on this, everybody knows it's going nowhere
2016-09-24T05:14:31 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I tried - I was tolerant, but he just has no sense.
2016-09-24T05:14:46 < upgrdman> fuck yes. 'murica!!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxBcCSaBtXc
2016-09-24T05:14:54 < zyp> R2COM, I know, right
2016-09-24T05:15:03 < upgrdman> good at 0:30
2016-09-24T05:15:24 < dongs> zyp innovates more than anyone else in this channel
2016-09-24T05:15:58 < LeelooMinai> dongs:  Want'a new deal? You can say what you want about me, providing I will be able to retaliate and won't get banned.
2016-09-24T05:16:20 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Or you want safe space and it's too much for you to handle?
2016-09-24T05:17:03 < upgrdman> nice  https://i.imgur.com/6UrIZIZ.gifv
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2016-09-24T05:17:22 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: That's what he was threatning yesterday - seems he talks about safe spaces and SJWs and is a little bugger who hides behind bans...
2016-09-24T05:17:40 < dongs> upgrdman: wat 
2016-09-24T05:17:58 < dongs> stop putting bullshit into my mouth you faggot
2016-09-24T05:18:01 < dongs> i said nothing about banning
2016-09-24T05:18:05 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You asked why I will be banned - what are you sleepy?
2016-09-24T05:18:18 < dongs> < dongs> if you plan on staying in this channel can we make a rule? you won't address me unless directly spoken to
2016-09-24T05:18:25 < dongs> where do you see anything about ban
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2016-09-24T05:19:23 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Anyone an read logs - you fail
2016-09-24T05:19:27 < LeelooMinai> can*
2016-09-24T05:19:52 < dongs> R2COM: which is where the problem starts
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2016-09-24T05:20:04 < dongs> since LeelooMinai is a hackkitten type
2016-09-24T05:20:04 < JuasOn> I roughly agree with LeelooMinai 
2016-09-24T05:20:11 < dongs> who teh fuck are you
2016-09-24T05:20:15 < zyp> R2COM, why the fuck do you care who people on irc likes fucking?
2016-09-24T05:20:18 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Eat shit homophobe? :)
2016-09-24T05:20:19 < dongs> i agree with you /parting the channel right now
2016-09-24T05:20:45 < LeelooMinai> dongs: You can eat shit with him btw and part the channel tooo - will be nicer in here.
2016-09-24T05:23:55 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, part of being an adult is accepting people with different personalities. move on. ignore him.
2016-09-24T05:24:04 < LeelooMinai> lol     
2016-09-24T05:24:06 < upgrdman> weather he's nice or not does not matter
2016-09-24T05:24:17 < LeelooMinai> Bunch of adults I see here... not
2016-09-24T05:24:29 < dongs> < 13
2016-09-24T05:24:39 < LeelooMinai> That at least would give you some excuse
2016-09-24T05:25:10 < LeelooMinai> For going full retard
2016-09-24T05:25:18 < upgrdman> is it really so shocking that some people on irc act like kids
2016-09-24T05:25:50 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Do you think that's what I was complaining about? ...
2016-09-24T05:26:43 < LeelooMinai> Yes, stop it, if you can - I don't care... It's not like I am going anywhere unless some weak sauce bans me, so better get used to me
2016-09-24T05:27:15 < LeelooMinai> I just did...
2016-09-24T05:27:31 < LeelooMinai> I said what I wanted, so what's the problem? :)
2016-09-24T05:28:11 < LeelooMinai> I am not acting anything - just explaining some simple things to you apparently.
2016-09-24T05:28:51 < LeelooMinai> Ok, great, so you can not-talk now.
2016-09-24T05:29:04 < LeelooMinai> ...     
2016-09-24T05:29:08 < zyp> oh, this is about getting the last word
2016-09-24T05:29:16 < zyp> winner is the one who gets the last word
2016-09-24T05:29:26 < zyp> right?
2016-09-24T05:29:29 < dongs> LeelooMinai:http://i.imgur.com/y000Hbz.png
2016-09-24T05:29:48 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Lovely:)
2016-09-24T05:30:13 < LeelooMinai> dongs: You must like smileys since you wnt to such effort to point them out.
2016-09-24T05:30:27 < LeelooMinai> I guess I should move maybe to double smileys?
2016-09-24T05:30:35 < LeelooMinai> Ok? :))
2016-09-24T05:30:41 < JuasOn> erm, what? Am I missing something :P
2016-09-24T05:30:55 < dongs> if you wanna further cement your image as a typical irc m2f shithead/attention whore, go right ahead
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2016-09-24T05:31:22 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Not shure what you just decribed, but it must be better than being you:))
2016-09-24T05:31:48 < LeelooMinai> Beccause dongs imagins so, so that must be I guess.
2016-09-24T05:31:55 < zyp> try using an o for a nose, I really hate those
2016-09-24T05:31:56 < upgrdman> lol @ dongs. nice png
2016-09-24T05:32:00 < dongs> R2COM: dudes who couldnt get laid get theiere dicks chopped off then sit on irc chatting all cutesy aka hackkitten and attention whoring
2016-09-24T05:32:19 < LeelooMinai> lol, gons and his fantasies - cute
2016-09-24T05:32:23 < JuasOn> dongs, tbh, I think you put too many insults in there. If you keep them shorter, it's both less rude, and more effective.
2016-09-24T05:32:27 < LeelooMinai> dongs*
2016-09-24T05:32:43 < dongs> donno, not an issue that I have so I wouldnt know
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2016-09-24T05:33:37 < LeelooMinai> BTW, normal person would not really care bout m2v or m2f or what he wrote there - one has to have some inner issues to put so much effort and hate into the topic - just a food for thought
2016-09-24T05:33:53 < dongs> not sure i even wanna know
2016-09-24T05:34:14 < zyp> idk about m2v, but m4v is mpeg 4 video
2016-09-24T05:34:29 < dongs> well, so is m2v in that context
2016-09-24T05:34:31 < zyp> mpeg 2 video maybe, is that a thing?
2016-09-24T05:34:33 < dongs> thats mpeg2 elementarystream
2016-09-24T05:34:33 < dongs> yeah
2016-09-24T05:34:55 < JuasOn> That's not used a lot is it.
2016-09-24T05:35:39 < zyp> I don't really have much knowledge of video standards older than mpeg4 asp
2016-09-24T05:39:22 < upgrdman> how i imagine leeloo http://i.imgur.com/AQiESjm.jpg
2016-09-24T05:40:18 < zyp> judging by what? that she has a mouth?
2016-09-24T05:40:51 < zyp> you don't fucking see her skull, only her jaw
2016-09-24T05:42:06 < upgrdman> R2COM, more here  http://imgur.com/a/DdVl6
2016-09-24T05:42:25 < upgrdman> and here https://www.instagram.com/laurajenkinson/
2016-09-24T05:46:50 < upgrdman> lol     
2016-09-24T05:48:03 < upgrdman> like this  https://lazerhorse.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/drunk-russian-sleepy-time.jpg
2016-09-24T05:48:30 < upgrdman> or  http://image.tsn.ua/media/images4/608xX/Oct2015/385044191.jpg?random=3bbf881212603c25ab45d0b3a4c18191
2016-09-24T05:49:13 < upgrdman> or maybe http://cdn77.sadanduseless.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/drunk-russians10.jpg
2016-09-24T05:49:37 < upgrdman> do you have rugs on your walls? is that a cultural thing?
2016-09-24T05:50:46 < upgrdman> didnt mean to offend
2016-09-24T05:50:56 < upgrdman> k     
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2016-09-24T05:53:30 < upgrdman> i dont
2016-09-24T05:53:39 < upgrdman> redneck russian?
2016-09-24T05:54:07 < upgrdman> low-class / poor / uncivilized
2016-09-24T05:54:23 < upgrdman> k     
2016-09-24T05:55:59 < upgrdman> lol  https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Sorting_algorithms/Sleep_sort
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2016-09-24T05:57:13 < upgrdman> like italian mob boss?
2016-09-24T05:57:38 < LeelooMinai> Poland has those too - they are called "Dresiarze":p
2016-09-24T05:58:20 < LeelooMinai> The kind of guys that would sometimes bunch together and beat someone with a baseball bat.
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2016-09-24T06:05:23 < upgrdman> :)     
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2016-09-24T06:11:32 < upgrdman> nice
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2016-09-24T06:15:14 < LeelooMinai> lol, and I was just looking at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XccHupv7v98
2016-09-24T06:16:11 < LeelooMinai> Guy is a lunatic...
2016-09-24T06:16:51 < LeelooMinai> BTW, they convicted her of manslaughter and it's minimum 4 yaers
2016-09-24T06:17:38 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: What context do you want... he actually says there that maybe she was choking, lol...
2016-09-24T06:18:07 < LeelooMinai> It's like he is from some other planet and has no sense
2016-09-24T06:18:28 < PeterM> upgrdman, this is how i imagine R2COM http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1474673332837.webm
2016-09-24T06:18:39 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Basically 4 cops stoped some black guy and the woman-cop shot him unnecessarily.
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2016-09-24T06:18:57 < upgrdman> PeterM, nice
2016-09-24T06:20:58 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: The point is, like an old indian would say, "his words do not make sense":)
2016-09-24T06:21:50 < LeelooMinai> That's silly...
2016-09-24T06:22:28 < LeelooMinai> It's like saying that giving evey household a basket of grenades will solve all the problems:p
2016-09-24T06:22:51 < LeelooMinai> I guess it could cut down some overpopulation
2016-09-24T06:23:20 < LeelooMinai> O, really? :p
2016-09-24T06:23:33  * LeelooMinai sighs
2016-09-24T06:24:07 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Are you drunk right now - just checking? :p
2016-09-24T06:24:55 < upgrdman> lol     
2016-09-24T06:24:58 < LeelooMinai> I wish IRC had some status system, so one could check if someone is currently uner influence of some mind-altering substance
2016-09-24T06:25:47 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: No, saying that guns should be not limited - it's retarded
2016-09-24T06:26:20 < LeelooMinai> How can a reasonable person even ask this question....
2016-09-24T06:27:07 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: But if you ask it seriously, I have no hope of having any discussion about this with you that leads to anything...
2016-09-24T06:28:08 < LeelooMinai> Tht wuestion does not make sense - some, sure
2016-09-24T06:28:29 < LeelooMinai> But not everyone obviously
2016-09-24T06:28:55 < PeterM> upgrdman, R2COM wishes his waifu was http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1474155641968.webm but she really is http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1474040204147.webm
2016-09-24T06:30:47 < upgrdman> lol     
2016-09-24T06:31:10 < LeelooMinai> I think the second one may be already dead with broken spine for example or cracked skull:)
2016-09-24T06:31:46 < LeelooMinai> O, right, "nah, they fall on the concret stair head down all the time and are fine"
2016-09-24T06:31:51 < PeterM> lol     
2016-09-24T06:31:51 < LeelooMinai> conrete*
2016-09-24T06:32:13 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, worse happens and people are fine
2016-09-24T06:32:14 < LeelooMinai> "Them russian girls are built like a tank"
2016-09-24T06:32:27 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: Yes, but less happens to and they die:)
2016-09-24T06:32:49 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1474517426219.webm
2016-09-24T06:33:07 < LeelooMinai> If you are drunk and do not contrall the fall it's pretty easy to crack the skull like that...
2016-09-24T06:33:27 < LeelooMinai> Normally you will use hand to soften the impact ,etc.
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2016-09-24T06:37:07 < LeelooMinai> lol     
2016-09-24T06:37:07 < LeelooMinai> It's hard, but concrete stair are harder
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2016-09-24T06:37:07 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: Moral of the story - when a tree falls try to run sidewas not along the fall...
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2016-09-24T06:37:07 < Peter_M> LeelooMinai, i already know this, im a farmer, not a retard, though there is some overlap.
2016-09-24T06:37:07 < Peter_M> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1474223521336.webm a normal day
2016-09-24T06:37:08 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: That looks CGIed
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2016-09-24T06:37:08 < LeelooMinai> I think the chopper has some aliasing problems on edges
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2016-09-24T06:37:32 < LeelooMinai> At least to me it looks artificial:)
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2016-09-24T06:37:50 < Peter_M> LeelooMinai, are you implying that it is fake
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2016-09-24T06:44:08 < LeelooMinai> Why is that costume so inflated...
2016-09-24T06:44:17 < stvn> good work peter
2016-09-24T06:44:22 < LeelooMinai> .. ok, maybe I should not ask:)
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2016-09-24T06:48:58 < stvn> LeelooMinai did it
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2016-09-24T06:50:01 < LeelooMinai> Freenode split into sane and not-sane people:p
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2016-09-24T06:51:57 < stvn> pop this in, play some of that
2016-09-24T06:52:18 < PeterM> R2COM2, http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1474571517577.webm what is he saying
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2016-09-24T06:52:37 < PeterM> and how can you teach stvn to control his ducks liek that
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2016-09-24T06:53:15 < stvn> good videos
2016-09-24T06:53:34 < LeelooMinai> raz, dwa is "one, two" - like when people march - you say that sometimes to rush people to move
2016-09-24T06:53:52 < stvn>  think my favourite duck video is with the 1000+ indian runner ducks
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2016-09-24T06:55:13 < PeterM> noice
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2016-09-24T07:00:38 < stvn> perhaps
2016-09-24T07:01:15 < ReadErr> lol freenode ddos ?
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2016-09-24T07:03:40 < stvn> sup ReadErr 
2016-09-24T07:04:12 < ReadErr> not fapping
2016-09-24T07:04:44 < stvn> just cleaning up the dump
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2016-09-24T07:06:06 < upgrdman> ya     
2016-09-24T07:06:38 < stvn> minding a place and my friend's dog is following me around
2016-09-24T07:07:36 < upgrdman> seent it
2016-09-24T07:07:37 < upgrdman> old     
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2016-09-24T07:25:38 < emeb_mac> nnnnnnneeeeeetttttt sssssspppppllllliiiiittttttt
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2016-09-24T07:27:10 < LeelooMinai> Not  a problem, in the meantime you can watch some nice youtube videos, like a guy with Norwegian accent tearing down Chinese lathe Chuck and cleaning it, greasing, and putting back together:/
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2016-09-24T07:35:28 < LeelooMinai> Well, I don't know if Norwegian. His name is Stefan Gotteswinter - something norh/western European?
2016-09-24T07:35:52 < stvn> does he vape?
2016-09-24T07:36:16 < LeelooMinai> That's a random question:)
2016-09-24T07:38:19 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, ok, I guess what I take from the video is that those Chinese machine shop are good value, but you have to take them apart, clean and deburr maybe some places, fix minor details, etc.
2016-09-24T07:38:31 < LeelooMinai> machine shop parts*
2016-09-24T07:39:12 < LeelooMinai> Guess they just produce them as fast as possible in some very time-optimized way 
2016-09-24T07:39:24 < LeelooMinai> So no time for cosmetic details:p
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2016-09-24T08:18:05 < ReadErr> stvn: did u watch this ep
2016-09-24T08:18:29 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-24T08:18:33 < stvn> just listenin
2016-09-24T08:18:52 < stvn> i like his 'acuckolypse'
2016-09-24T08:18:57 < ReadErr> did you see the part he joined the 2 callsl
2016-09-24T08:19:14 < stvn> i missed most of it
2016-09-24T08:19:19 < ReadErr> ohhhhh mannnnnnnnnn
2016-09-24T08:21:35 < stvn> that's what she said
2016-09-24T08:21:46 < stvn> pull it out pull it out
2016-09-24T09:00:50 < ReadErr> https://i.sli.mg/cv3Too.jpg
2016-09-24T09:02:58 < stvn> i need more pizza 
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2016-09-24T10:47:57 < upgrdman_> LeelooMinai, you around?
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2016-09-24T11:19:28 < Steffanx> What series are mr stvn and readerrorman watching?
2016-09-24T11:20:30 < stvn> the history of the internet
2016-09-24T11:22:35 < Steffanx> Uh what?
2016-09-24T11:23:08 < stvn> nobody really knows mr Steffan
2016-09-24T11:23:18 < Steffanx> Google doesnt know either
2016-09-24T11:23:34 < stvn> exactly, and if google doesn't...
2016-09-24T11:23:48 < Steffanx> You're not being useful stvn
2016-09-24T11:23:53 < stvn> i can help
2016-09-24T11:24:19 < stvn> l0de radio hour
2016-09-24T11:24:46 < stvn> it's a show where irc users troll dumb craigslist hillbillies
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2016-09-24T11:25:42 < Steffanx> Oh that no thanks then
2016-09-24T11:26:41 < stvn> what's new steffan?
2016-09-24T11:27:45 < Steffanx> Not much. A few cells in my body probably.
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2016-09-24T11:28:01 < Steffanx> There?
2016-09-24T11:28:18 < stvn> friend's cat is meowing at me
2016-09-24T11:28:43 < stvn> cleaning the shop
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2016-09-24T11:56:31 < ReadErr> stvn: i got a yamaha receiver 
2016-09-24T11:56:41 < ReadErr> and some shitty bluetooth adapter
2016-09-24T11:56:47 < stvn> that's great
2016-09-24T11:56:55 < ReadErr> but the bt adapter kills the receiver
2016-09-24T11:57:03 < ReadErr> when songs change, youtube does it every time
2016-09-24T11:57:11 < stvn> thats pretty neat
2016-09-24T11:57:13 < ReadErr> levels too high will turn it off?
2016-09-24T11:57:18 < stvn> who knows
2016-09-24T11:57:28 < ReadErr> arent u an audio pro
2016-09-24T11:57:36 < stvn> perhaps
2016-09-24T11:57:41 < stvn> i do pioneer
2016-09-24T11:59:26 < stvn> generally consumer audio products are too cheap and crap to be worth fixing
2016-09-24T12:00:14 < ReadErr> i got the output as low as it will go, need to solder some wires to do it right i guess
2016-09-24T12:00:28 < ReadErr> or just buy a digital one
2016-09-24T12:00:53 < stvn> yeah just wack it on
2016-09-24T12:03:34 < ReadErr> i know what pads are L/R but meh, rather find something with SPDIF or coax
2016-09-24T12:06:37 < stvn> i hear ya
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2016-09-24T12:14:55 < PeterM> stvn http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1474683472113.webm
2016-09-24T12:15:56 < stvn> good work there peter
2016-09-24T12:16:48 < Steffanx> You're not being helpful stvn :P
2016-09-24T12:17:28 < ReadErr> Steffanx: 
2016-09-24T12:17:42 < Steffanx> Hello ReadErr
2016-09-24T12:18:01 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDr7VZm1hB0
2016-09-24T12:19:06 < Steffanx> Yes, that.. 
2016-09-24T12:20:16 < PeterM> stvn http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1474684021023.webm
2016-09-24T12:21:04 < stvn> hahahahahahahahaha
2016-09-24T12:21:17 < Steffanx> Who is going to mention that one of the cats pissed itself this time?
2016-09-24T12:21:35 < ReadErr> heh everyone knows that by now im sure
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2016-09-24T13:19:30 < ReadErr> 60gb ipod works still
2016-09-24T13:22:38 < Steffanx> never a hdd replacement required?
2016-09-24T13:24:33 < ReadErr> nope just battery
2016-09-24T13:24:43 < ReadErr> thing has a ton of hours on it
2016-09-24T13:24:53 < ReadErr> few motorcycle accidents 
2016-09-24T13:25:05 < ReadErr> gym all through college
2016-09-24T13:25:50 < ReadErr> might try and grab the music off it before it dies though
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2016-09-24T13:59:03 < Getty> Just watching the first 2 minute of barbarella.... i am disturbed
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2016-09-24T14:17:46 < kakimir> does lga1155 processor fit to any other socket type?
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2016-09-24T15:03:35 < Laurenceb__> please dont say embiggen
2016-09-24T15:04:01 < ReadErr> englishman: which?
2016-09-24T15:04:04 < ReadErr> or link
2016-09-24T15:04:23 < ReadErr> using the cypress devboard?
2016-09-24T15:04:51 < ReadErr> ohhhh
2016-09-24T15:04:54 < ReadErr> for ipod
2016-09-24T15:05:07 < Steffanx> such fancy name and not even a single page scroll website. Im surprised.
2016-09-24T15:05:11 < ReadErr> well i dont really want to use the ipod
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2016-09-24T15:10:09 < kakimir> CL reading in ddr4 mem bigger the better?
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2016-09-24T15:14:48 < Laurenceb__> http://nsuworks.nova.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2467&context=tqr
2016-09-24T15:15:30 < ReadErr> wat     
2016-09-24T15:15:43 < ReadErr> kakimir: why would it fit another socket
2016-09-24T15:17:47 < Steffanx> Dear Laurenceb__, do you really search your uni.s library for "feminism" all the time?
2016-09-24T15:17:55 < Laurenceb__> yes     
2016-09-24T15:17:59 < Laurenceb__> truly epin lulz
2016-09-24T15:18:19 < Steffanx> imho it's nothing but silly.
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2016-09-24T15:20:32 < Laurenceb__> The view of knowledge as socially constructed challenges the modern male concept of power(
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2016-09-24T15:21:22 < kakimir> ReadErr: Idk
2016-09-24T15:21:33 < ReadErr> you are validating them Laurenceb__ 
2016-09-24T15:21:35 < ReadErr> good job
2016-09-24T15:21:41 < ReadErr> if you ignore them they go away
2016-09-24T15:21:51 < Laurenceb__> heh good point
2016-09-24T15:23:26 < Laurenceb__> they can't even avoid falling for strawMAN arguments
2016-09-24T15:23:53 < Laurenceb__> science education is already about "how to expand knowledge"
2016-09-24T15:24:31 < ReadErr> you are being trolled
2016-09-24T15:24:33 < ReadErr> gj     
2016-09-24T15:24:54 < ReadErr> they got you good
2016-09-24T15:25:56 < Laurenceb__> lulz
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2016-09-24T15:28:31 < Steffanx> Steeveeey
2016-09-24T15:28:40 < stvn> hi     
2016-09-24T15:30:29 < PeterM> ReadErr, 771 fits in 775 if you cut off the orientation tab and swap a singel pin
2016-09-24T15:30:53 < ReadErr> try it and report back kakimir 
2016-09-24T15:31:08 < stvn> lol     
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2016-09-24T15:45:18 < stvn> parrots
2016-09-24T15:45:36 < Laurenceb__> poststructuralism
2016-09-24T15:47:09 < stvn> Laurenceb__: 
2016-09-24T15:47:29 < Laurenceb__> http://nsuworks.nova.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2467&context=tqr
2016-09-24T15:48:39 < stvn> you reading that?
2016-09-24T15:48:59 < Laurenceb__> only for the lulz
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2016-09-24T15:52:59 < stvn> i'm using an apple computer loolol
2016-09-24T15:53:42 < Laurenceb__> crapple, homo, u was robbed
2016-09-24T15:53:49 < Laurenceb__> and so on... 
2016-09-24T15:53:55 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-24T15:54:25 < stvn> el crapitan
2016-09-24T15:55:08 < stvn> 1440p display is nice though
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2016-09-24T16:26:35 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zvLrGxDr/cholo
2016-09-24T16:26:44 < ReadErr> old ass macbook 
2016-09-24T16:26:52 < ReadErr> still rox out with its cock out 
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2016-09-24T16:37:19 < aandrew> heh I've got a 2012 Air, I didn't consider it old
2016-09-24T16:37:50 < Steffanx> Mine is mid 2010, also still works pretty ok. It started to complain about the battery a while ago, but for some reason that is no longer an issue.
2016-09-24T16:39:08 < Steffanx> Such macfags here.
2016-09-24T16:40:07 < ReadErr> yea I swapped the batt
2016-09-24T16:40:12 < ReadErr> original got puffy
2016-09-24T16:43:09 < ReadErr> and hey, my ipod still works
2016-09-24T16:43:12 < ReadErr> cant be too mad at apple
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2016-09-24T16:51:19 < aandrew> yeah other than wishing I had 1080p or better in the 11" display, I have no desire or reason to upgrade. i7, 8G, I run VMs in it all the time
2016-09-24T16:51:45 < aandrew> I replaced the SSD with a regular old NGFF drive with a $30 adapter when the original apple SSD died this past february
2016-09-24T16:52:01 < aandrew> no way in hell I'll pay Apple $1100 for a 512G SSD, not even $750 to OWC for their version
2016-09-24T16:52:14 < aandrew> $200 for a regular old NGFF SSD and $30 for the adapter works for me
2016-09-24T16:58:12 < Thorn> I haven't turned on my mac for like a year
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2016-09-24T17:25:14 < Laurenceb__> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/992989d100c48a3e92ac86720cc0a99ec17b322d32e06bfb662836d45d5663c9.jpg
2016-09-24T17:26:04 < aandrew> wtf lol
2016-09-24T17:26:26 < Steffanx> The big question Laurenceb__: can you identify the girl.
2016-09-24T17:28:20 < Steffanx> We all need http://i0.wp.com/geekshizzle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/throne-of-nerds.jpg
2016-09-24T17:33:43 < Laurenceb__> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/a079f95e30016d7d117879bc5f533d2588f010e5a3f35ab377af522d6ce33fc1.jpg
2016-09-24T17:37:01 < Steffanx> One of the few times something you post brings a smile on my face Laurenceb__ :D
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2016-09-24T18:47:45 < Rob235> alright
2016-09-24T18:47:47 < Rob235> so...
2016-09-24T18:47:55 < Rob235> cant get a datalager
2016-09-24T18:48:10 < emeb> datalager is a kind of beer?
2016-09-24T18:48:32 < Rob235> ever hear of datalog for drones?
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2016-09-24T18:49:00 < Rob235> someone in #dRonin made a much better version
2016-09-24T18:49:11 < Rob235> its just a fast data logger where you throw serial data at it
2016-09-24T18:50:13 < Rob235> I'm wondering if I log my own data if it will slow things down or if I should use some small mcu to basically do what a datalager would
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2016-09-24T18:50:59  * fenugrec opens a cold keylager
2016-09-24T18:51:19 < Rob235> yea that's about the extent of help you can expect on irc :)
2016-09-24T18:51:33 < fenugrec> hahaha couldn't resist, this is ##stdrama32 after all
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2016-09-24T18:53:02 < emeb> Rob235: so you have no idea what the CPU loading on your main application is? 
2016-09-24T18:53:23 < emeb> ie - you don't know if adding a logging feature will tip it past the breaking point...
2016-09-24T18:53:33 < Rob235> right, theres still a lot I want to do
2016-09-24T18:55:41 < Rob235> and so far when my main loop updates the gyro/accel/mag sensor that takes up I believe it was 2.2ms and I gotta make my led library more efficient.  it doesn't run nearly as often, maybe 10-15 hz but takes 1.1 ms
2016-09-24T18:55:56 < fenugrec> 1.1ms for a led library !!
2016-09-24T18:56:02 < Rob235> :)     
2016-09-24T18:56:31 < Rob235> its pattern based and calculates every led position every frame
2016-09-24T18:56:44 < Rob235> but I can make that more efficient
2016-09-24T18:58:06 < Rob235> I have it set not to update leds if the sensors updated in the same loop 
2016-09-24T19:01:52 < emeb> A while back I added some serial logging to a system I was working on. basic buffered USART driver...
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2016-09-24T19:02:29 < emeb> front end hangs off printf() stuffing data into a circular buffer. back end pulls data out of the buffer when USART RX goes empty.
2016-09-24T19:02:34 < emeb> very tiny, pretty fast.
2016-09-24T19:02:49 < emeb> seems that an SD logger wouldn't be much worse...
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2016-09-24T19:03:18 < emeb> instead of stuffing data into the USART you buffer it up in RAM until you've got a full SD block of it...
2016-09-24T19:03:28 < emeb> then just kick off DMA to the SD card.
2016-09-24T19:03:44 < emeb> don't see how that would use up much time...
2016-09-24T19:03:45 < Rob235> my sd card reader/writer uses spi which I haven't used before so I'm kinda happy to learn it.  I know SDIO is better but spi should be fine.  it's the buffering and stuff that I'm worried about it
2016-09-24T19:03:57 < Rob235> -it     
2016-09-24T19:04:24 < Rob235> because dma will handle the rest
2016-09-24T19:04:35 < emeb> like I said - if you're not busy-waiting on the SD card the overhead should be really low.
2016-09-24T19:05:24 < Rob235> ok sounds good, i'll try writing up some code today
2016-09-24T19:05:59 < emeb> worst that happens is during SD's flash write cycle you have to buffer more of the outgoing data. still just check and return...
2016-09-24T19:06:44 < Rob235> well the problem would be lack of buffer space
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2016-09-24T19:07:16 < Rob235> I can always just log at a lower rate though
2016-09-24T19:07:42 < Rob235> should still be helpful but maybe not...
2016-09-24T19:09:15 < emeb> Probably would be a good idea to do a prototype on the bench - blast garbage data into it at known rates and see how it keeps up & what kind of buffer size you need.
2016-09-24T19:10:07 < emeb> Laurenceb seems to have benchmarked the write rates on his logger and they were pretty high...
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2016-09-24T19:10:47 < Rob235> I think I wrote down what speed I calculated that I needed and it was pretty low
2016-09-24T19:13:05 < Rob235> 6.5-7 kB/s ?
2016-09-24T19:14:18 < Rob235> what does the stm32f4 disco have for ram? 192?
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2016-09-24T19:39:50 < Steffanx> depends on which f4 you have Rob235.
2016-09-24T19:39:55 < Steffanx> 407?
2016-09-24T19:39:59 < Rob235> yea     
2016-09-24T19:40:14 < Rob235> is there another f4 disco?
2016-09-24T19:40:33 < Steffanx> some f4-display ones.
2016-09-24T19:40:37 < Rob235> oh right
2016-09-24T19:40:53 < Steffanx> but those are not called f4 discovery i think, but f429 discovery blalba
2016-09-24T19:41:15 < Rob235> man, I want to change out these yellow xt90 connectors for some nice black ones :)
2016-09-24T19:42:33 < Steffanx> permaneny marker :)
2016-09-24T19:42:37 < Rob235> heh     
2016-09-24T19:43:06 < Rob235> my landing gear is shot to shit
2016-09-24T19:43:13 < Rob235> both sides
2016-09-24T19:43:29 < Rob235> I have to get it stable so I can actually land it correctly
2016-09-24T19:43:47 < Steffanx> americans and their guys, they shoot at everything.
2016-09-24T19:43:51 < Steffanx> *guns
2016-09-24T19:44:17 < Rob235> I don't own a gun, I'm not in the south
2016-09-24T19:44:37 < Steffanx> And yet you shot your landing gear to shit.
2016-09-24T19:44:41 < Steffanx> Sorry. I'll stop it.
2016-09-24T19:44:44 < Rob235> :)     
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2016-09-24T19:50:57 < Rob235> why are people always saying to start with plastic props, those things break every tiny little crash.  I've only broken one CF prop so far and I crash all the time
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2016-09-24T19:58:02 < upgrdman> cf props can delaminate and fail unexpectly after a crash
2016-09-24T19:58:03 < upgrdman> also
2016-09-24T19:58:22 < upgrdman> cf props can do more damage to whatever you crash into
2016-09-24T19:58:47 < Rob235> yea the second thing you said was the only thing I was thinking
2016-09-24T20:01:06 < Rob235> alright I gotta stop slacking... I'm going to either start with the sd card code or change up my pid method... probably the first
2016-09-24T20:02:41 < Tectu> did anybody in here work with STM32F + ESP8266? How difficult is it to get that combination up& running to simply send some measurement values to an RPi
2016-09-24T20:03:57 < Rob235> been wanting to try mine, too much on the list to do
2016-09-24T20:04:17 < Tectu> this would be for some uni project
2016-09-24T20:04:25 < Tectu> so somewhat timecritical to get it up and running
2016-09-24T20:04:37 < Rob235> good luck
2016-09-24T20:07:48 < Tectu> thx     
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2016-09-24T20:11:06 < brianx> Tectu: STM32F + ESP8266 is no more painful than any other serial device.  view it as if it were a modem, or reprogram it to be transparent and it just works.
2016-09-24T20:13:00 < Tectu> brianx, can you be a bit more specific? Afaik you just hook the ESP8266 up to your STM32 via SPI, the ESP takes care of all the crappy RF stuff and you "just send and receive plain data", no?
2016-09-24T20:13:32 < brianx> the ESP8266 SPI host mode doesn't seem to work.  it
2016-09-24T20:13:37 < brianx> 's client mode does.
2016-09-24T20:15:02 < brianx> if you want the ESP8266 to control your STM32, then all is well but you have to go the route of custom programing the ESP8266 and not use the built in modem-like firmware.
2016-09-24T20:15:56 < Tectu> I have some STM32F4 with some display/touchscreen stuff to display sensor values and $prof would like to get those sensor values to an RPi via WiFi, that is all.
2016-09-24T20:16:10 < Tectu> I'm not sure what is better in terms of host/client with the ESP thingy
2016-09-24T20:16:12 < Tectu> zero knowledge on that end.
2016-09-24T20:17:10 < brianx> the ESP8266 comes with code that makes it look pretty much like a modem.  AT commands and such.
2016-09-24T20:17:35 < brianx> that seems pretty reasonable for doing "get those sensor values to an RPi via WiFi"
2016-09-24T20:18:24 < Tectu> okay
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2016-09-24T20:18:30 < Tectu> any existing libraries that work well?
2016-09-24T20:18:40 < Tectu> gotta get this up & running in like 5 days
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2016-09-24T20:19:56 < brianx> i'm not aware of any "libraries" for talking to an "AT command set", why wold you need one?  the folks over at arduino have a lib to do something that simple but ...  why.
2016-09-24T20:21:13 < brianx> i'd probably use the old SDK on the F4.  i'm pretty sure it's simpler than the new HAL.
2016-09-24T20:21:13 < Tectu> I have no experience on how complex it is.
2016-09-24T20:22:16 < brianx> hmm, i guess you're too young to have had a modem for anything other than making windows talk to an ISP.  it's not very complex.
2016-09-24T20:23:55 < Tectu> yeah, that's the case
2016-09-24T20:24:02 < Tectu> I'm a 1993 kid
2016-09-24T20:25:29 < brianx> if you don't care about being able to move to another wifi network, i have a blog about how i programmed my ESP8266 without a USB--Serial device.  The example code is a transparent gateway.
2016-09-24T20:25:46 < Tectu> sure, at this point I'd be thankful for any kind of pointers
2016-09-24T20:25:48 < brianx> the blog is http://chisight.wordpress.com/2016/01/27/esp8266-01-programming-with-an-arduino-nano/
2016-09-24T20:25:54 < Tectu> Thank you Sir, I'll give it a read
2016-09-24T20:26:37 < brianx> you probably aren't interested in the meat of the article, but the sample code at the end.  it's dumb code, just an example but it's easy to use.  
2016-09-24T20:27:38 < Tectu> if I learned one thing... never skip parts of a blog post
2016-09-24T20:28:00 < emeb> Tectu: I played around with the esp8266 modem emulation a bit. 
2016-09-24T20:28:19 < Tectu> emeb, tell me more
2016-09-24T20:28:21 < emeb> not too tough to do - just send a bunch of well documented AT commands via serial to it.
2016-09-24T20:28:48 < emeb> but - all that does is set up the low level link. 
2016-09-24T20:29:00 < emeb> then you need to do UDP / TCP-IP at that point.
2016-09-24T20:29:17 < Tectu> LwIP?
2016-09-24T20:29:24 < emeb> I suppose
2016-09-24T20:29:41 < emeb> if you're just sending crap data though UDP might be a lot simpler.
2016-09-24T20:29:50 < brianx> Tectu: just saying you can probably skim it.  you'll need details like this code compiles under arduino 1.6.4 and later and that you use boards manager to add the ESP.
2016-09-24T20:30:09 < Tectu> aah     
2016-09-24T20:30:11 < Tectu> thanks for the info
2016-09-24T20:30:45 < Rob235> anyone know any useful articles or anything about double loop PID control structure for multicopters?
2016-09-24T20:32:08 < brianx> Rob235: please don't broadcast the same question at the same time in multiple unrelated channels.  you end up creating divergent threads. 
2016-09-24T20:33:24 < Rob235> this is the only kind of unrelated channel
2016-09-24T20:33:40 < Rob235> but this be my main shit
2016-09-24T20:33:44 < Rob235> anyway, sorry, i'll avoid it 
2016-09-24T20:34:11 < brianx> thank you.
2016-09-24T20:34:18 < Tectu> Also, hello & welcome to ##stm32, brianx 
2016-09-24T20:34:22 < Tectu> never saw you here in the past 7 years
2016-09-24T20:35:33 < brianx> Tectu: thanks.  i've been lurking here since april.  said a few things but been mostly quiet.
2016-09-24T20:35:48 < Tectu> ok     
2016-09-24T20:36:55 < brianx> my project is a odbc interface with the addition of Honda H-line support for several of their subsystems that don't speak on the ODBII bus.
2016-09-24T20:37:54 < brianx> it also uses an esp8266, but the data is packetized and includes a CRC, so not simple serial.
2016-09-24T20:42:49 < Tectu> I see
2016-09-24T20:45:05 < brianx> it's been idle for too long, i really need to get back on it.
2016-09-24T20:45:13 < Tectu> Unfortunately I have to leave know. I'll digg into this tomorrow. I'll get back to you if you don't mind.
2016-09-24T20:45:23 < brianx> good luck.
2016-09-24T20:46:02 < Tectu> thank you!
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2016-09-24T20:54:07 < aandrew> http://www.bostonleader.com/boston-man-tries-fill-scuba-tank-weed-smoke-loses-testicles/
2016-09-24T20:54:11 < aandrew> from another chan
2016-09-24T20:59:48 < Steffanx> ok....
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2016-09-24T22:11:05 < Thorn__> maybe they mean the controller
2016-09-24T22:11:37 < Thorn__> the drawing says not populated
2016-09-24T22:11:41 < Thorn__> no idea
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2016-09-24T22:18:36 < Thorn> for user's convenience it seems
2016-09-24T22:18:47 < Thorn> it is on the same spi bus as everything else
2016-09-24T22:18:59 < Thorn> maybe for additional fonts or something
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2016-09-24T22:20:23 < Thorn> probably
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2016-09-24T22:23:18 < Thorn> I think I have a few of these connectors
2016-09-24T22:23:48 < Thorn> they're just smd flat flex connectors. nothing on top
2016-09-24T22:24:24 < Thorn> but mine are 4 pin (for resistive)
2016-09-24T22:26:30 < Thorn> I don't have any but there seems to be an IC on the cable itself
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2016-09-24T22:27:21 < Thorn> and a legend (SDA, SCL etc.) so looks like I2C
2016-09-24T22:28:18 < Thorn> the IC appears to be http://www.buydisplay.com/download/ic/FT6206.pdf
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2016-09-24T22:30:23 < Thorn> yes you put it on top of the lcd
2016-09-24T22:30:35 < Thorn> is section 2.5 missing from that datasheet?
2016-09-24T22:30:48 < Thorn> that's where the protocol is supposed to be described
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2016-09-24T22:34:38 < Thorn> looks like it's all is there
2016-09-24T22:34:52 < Rickta59> what is that site R2COM ? adafruits manufacturing site in china? 
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2016-09-24T23:31:55 < Fleck> it does? O_O let me try
2016-09-24T23:31:59 < Fleck> lol it does show as ACM, now, hot do I use that in my code?
2016-09-24T23:32:00 < PaulFertser> Fleck: probably just send data to USART0
2016-09-24T23:32:05 < Rickta59> interesting i didn't know the newer discovery boards had stlink 2.1 onboard
2016-09-24T23:32:05 < PaulFertser> Use matching baudrate etc
2016-09-24T23:32:05 < Fleck> wow, nice, I'll try that! :)
2016-09-24T23:32:05 < Fleck> thanks PaulFertser, didn't notice that...
2016-09-24T23:32:05 < PaulFertser> Fleck: :)
2016-09-24T23:32:06 < Steffanx> We'll never know what Fleck asked, because it's not in the logs :P
2016-09-24T23:32:06 < Fleck> initial q was: "so, I would like to connect F7-DISCO to PC and get it recognized as serial port, so that I can send/receive data, is that a "right way" to do it? Ofc I can just connect ftdi & co IC and use like any USART awailable, but, would be great if it worked w/o any external "things""
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2016-09-24T23:58:42 < wasutton3_battle> I'm trying to get eclipse set up to work as my IDE for my STM32F1 devboard. I've so far got all the libraries installed properly (i think), but I get an error when building 'Function "__ASM" could not be resolved' stemming from my cmsis_armcc.h file. 
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2016-09-24T23:59:36 < Rob235> is freenode fixed yet
2016-09-24T23:59:55 < wasutton3_battle> idk, its been going in and out for me all day
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2016-09-25T00:06:12 < PaulFertser> wasutton3_battle: I suggest you try https://github.com/gnuarmeclipse
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2016-09-25T00:09:40 < wasutton3_battle> PaulFertser, I installed the eclipse-arm package from the Archlinux AUR. It claims to be the gnuarmeclipse plugin. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/eclipse-arm/
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2016-09-25T00:11:28 < wasutton3_battle> PaulFertser, never mind, just me being dumb and starting a new STM32F0 project instead of a STM32F1
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2016-09-25T00:13:26 < Laurenceb__> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=40959.0;attach=1372013;image
2016-09-25T00:14:43 < Laurenceb__> chief crackpot sighted
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2016-09-25T00:29:45 < Laurenceb__> nsfw https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Nietzsche
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2016-09-25T00:32:17 < Fleck> PaulFertser: it works! :)
2016-09-25T00:33:14 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-M5x12-Through-Hole-Rivets-Hollow-Grommets-PCB-Circuit-Board-/291625510049 maybe I need this
2016-09-25T00:35:35 < kakimir> http://www.mycncuk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=15154&stc=1 oh kelw
2016-09-25T00:35:38 < Rob235> can you get connected/detachable rainbow ribbon wire like this but in good quality? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hellotronics-10-Meters-Lot-Premium-Standard-1-27mm-Pitch-10-Pins-Flat-Rainbow-Ribbon-Cable-Wires/32714077449.html
2016-09-25T00:36:06 < Rob235> like nice silicone coating
2016-09-25T00:36:50 < kakimir> hellotronics
2016-09-25T00:37:22 < Rob235> byeelec
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2016-09-25T00:52:56 < kakimir> https://www.amphenol.com/images/news/M8&M12-Receptacle-with-Wire-leads-Wire-Construction1.png is such marking from connector side or the back of the connector?
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2016-09-25T00:57:11 < LeelooMinai_> Probably looking at the front
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2016-09-25T01:23:26 < kakimir> making lipo cells is like really simple stuff
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2016-09-25T01:23:56 < kakimir> stack that stuff and put it in poutch with some electrolyte and seal it
2016-09-25T01:24:01 < LeelooMinai> Sounds like last words to me:)
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2016-09-25T01:25:01 < kakimir> there is zero moisture work phase
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2016-09-25T01:25:24 < kakimir> when electrolyte is added and poutch sealed
2016-09-25T01:26:41 < LeelooMinai> You mean pouch probably
2016-09-25T01:27:08 < kakimir> pouch yes
2016-09-25T01:27:10 < LeelooMinai> Which is kind of like a pocket - something kangaroos have:)
2016-09-25T01:27:45 < kakimir> or kind of bag that has one edge open
2016-09-25T01:27:54 < kakimir> and sealable
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2016-09-25T02:05:53 < Laurenceb__> MEXICO WILL PAY
2016-09-25T02:06:27 < LeelooMinai> Ok     
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2016-09-25T02:18:36 < Laurenceb__> MEXICO WILL BE CHARGED FOR THE DDOS
2016-09-25T02:27:36 < kakimir> quickest pcb ever
2016-09-25T02:27:47 < kakimir> 2hours or so
2016-09-25T02:28:02 < kakimir> 4components
2016-09-25T02:38:24 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKOEVRem9qTHdnWGs/view?usp=sharing
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2016-09-25T02:39:16 < kakimir> maybe I should add local 1µ
2016-09-25T02:41:46 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Be aware that you will not get ideal inside 90-deg corners - takt that into account if you intend this to fit into some mount or whatever.  I would model with all edges angled to min 1mm radius
2016-09-25T02:43:02 < LeelooMinai> They will use an end mill to make the outline - it's a rotating tool, kind of like a drill, but with flat end.
2016-09-25T02:45:32 < kakimir> I know
2016-09-25T02:45:39 < kakimir> it's not for any mechanical function
2016-09-25T02:46:28 < kakimir> there is a sensor under and whole board will be 'poxied
2016-09-25T02:46:43 < kakimir> silkscreen not visible
2016-09-25T02:52:05 < karlp> Getty: if only the rest of barbarella was as good as the intro...
2016-09-25T02:52:51 < Getty> karlp: hahaha ;)
2016-09-25T02:53:27 < Getty> karlp: but damn is she a hot actress, and her acting is.... so cute quirky, probably not even acting
2016-09-25T02:53:32 < Getty> karlp: but yeah, cant stand 10 minutes in
2016-09-25T02:53:39 < LeelooMinai> http://www.barbapapa.com/the-barbapa-family-en/
2016-09-25T02:53:56 < LeelooMinai> The sequel
2016-09-25T02:56:37 < Getty> karlp: the president was also too good... "i should put clothes on" - "nah, no need to" hrhr
2016-09-25T02:57:06 < Getty> karlp: and i am 100% certain that the little kids from the crash landing are the inspiration for the ewoks hrhr
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2016-09-25T02:59:21 < upgrdman> just walked around Microcenter. they were giving away Ras Pi Zero's for $1. got one. wtf do maker fags do with the Zeros?
2016-09-25T02:59:23 < karlp> PeterM: you were a roll there with the 4chn links dude :)
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2016-09-25T03:07:39 < Getty> upgrdman: realizing that they need the dev board, then they order the dev board, and realize that it comes with a pi zero upfront
2016-09-25T03:07:42 < Getty> ;)     
2016-09-25T03:08:06 < upgrdman> ya fuck that. what would you need a dev board
2016-09-25T03:08:17 < LeelooMinai> They put it into RAM slots in the PC and wonder why it does not boot:p
2016-09-25T03:08:20 < Getty> well for first time checking what the thing can do, it is good
2016-09-25T03:08:21 < upgrdman> just need a microUSB -> eth or wifi
2016-09-25T03:08:32 < Getty> yeah ok, if you just want the system itself, sure
2016-09-25T03:08:54 < upgrdman> i'll prolly just use it as my web server or something. headless, etc.
2016-09-25T03:09:09 < Getty> i dont think those are the pi zero targets
2016-09-25T03:09:12 < karlp> LeelooMinai: no, that's the compute module
2016-09-25T03:09:28 < karlp> the zero is the slightlty usefull "I have an embedded project that just needs a basic linux som"
2016-09-25T03:09:36 < upgrdman> hmmm wonder if the Zero's usb can do usb tethering? maybe i could just plug it into a usb port on my router that can do usb tethering
2016-09-25T03:09:43 < Getty> karlp: he just said that they put them in the ram slow of their real pc ;)
2016-09-25T03:09:52 < karlp> yes, a zero is a good test device if you want to play with gadget mode stuff
2016-09-25T03:09:53 < Getty> s/slow/slot/
2016-09-25T03:10:07 < upgrdman> Getty, leeloo is a she
2016-09-25T03:10:16 < LeelooMinai> karlp: A, right, just looking at zero - I remember now: it's the one that was supposed to be %5, but it was not buyable...
2016-09-25T03:10:24 < LeelooMinai> $5     
2016-09-25T03:10:31 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, lol. and i got one for $1
2016-09-25T03:10:35 < LeelooMinai> So kind of pointless...
2016-09-25T03:10:38 < upgrdman> and the place has literally >1000 of them
2016-09-25T03:10:39 < karlp> hahr har assuming people on internet are male.  way to maintain the partriarchy loser
2016-09-25T03:10:52 < LeelooMinai> I think I saw people selling them for like $40 on ebay...
2016-09-25T03:10:54 < karlp> LeelooMinai: well, they're back in stock now that the annoucement rush is over as I understand it
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2016-09-25T03:10:59 < karlp> that wasonly the first few weeks
2016-09-25T03:11:19 < Getty> upgrdman: i will for sure forget that info but thanks ;)
2016-09-25T03:11:50 < upgrdman> R2COM, entrepreneurial chinamen 
2016-09-25T03:12:04 < upgrdman> kinda like how some shit on amazon is WAY overpriced
2016-09-25T03:12:39 < LeelooMinai> Apparently that's what people do with 120 PIs... http://i.imgur.com/dAhCmCu.png
2016-09-25T03:13:08 < LeelooMinai> Engineering/computing project
2016-09-25T03:14:10 < PeterM> this is what peopel do with 37 pies http://www.intermountainministry.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/pie-sale.jpg
2016-09-25T03:14:42 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, i imagine some fucking academic wanker writing a grant proposal for that
2016-09-25T03:16:15 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: I am hesitant to respond to you, because you may backstab me next time:)
2016-09-25T03:16:23 < upgrdman> lol     
2016-09-25T03:16:42 < upgrdman> can't handle opposing viewpoint huh? ;)
2016-09-25T03:16:45 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, ok, I checked canadian distributor, and yes, now they have them for $5
2016-09-25T03:17:05 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: E, I can handle viewpoints, but not backstabbing...
2016-09-25T03:17:14 < LeelooMinai> http://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-zero.html
2016-09-25T03:17:41 < LeelooMinai> It's kind of scary though... $5 for that much computing power.
2016-09-25T03:18:03 < upgrdman> i kinda wish it was bare metal programmable
2016-09-25T03:18:19 < upgrdman> it'd be nice to have an stm32-ish thing at 1GHz
2016-09-25T03:18:38 < LeelooMinai> Then people would not be able to run Python on it, so would not sell that well
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2016-09-25T03:19:19 < LeelooMinai> lol @camera cable $5.95 under it...
2016-09-25T03:19:36 < LeelooMinai> ... that's just weird
2016-09-25T03:21:56 < LeelooMinai> Completed my eclosure today (more or less): https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/29276743343
2016-09-25T03:22:26 < LeelooMinai> I think I will use PIs + cameras to monitor what's going on on the table
2016-09-25T03:22:33 < kakimir> where is it?
2016-09-25T03:22:43 < kakimir> looks like a living room
2016-09-25T03:22:45 < LeelooMinai> Where is what?
2016-09-25T03:23:00 < LeelooMinai> It's in my all-room
2016-09-25T03:23:12 < kakimir> cool
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2016-09-25T03:26:12 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, if you use pi, dont use the pi cam, use some usb webcam
2016-09-25T03:26:16 < upgrdman> the pi cam sucks ass
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2016-09-25T03:26:33 < LeelooMinai> I have two - they seemed to work fine
2016-09-25T03:27:28 < upgrdman> color balance and light sensitivity are shit
2016-09-25T03:27:39 < upgrdman> i have one, it works. but would not buy again
2016-09-25T03:27:54 < upgrdman> maybe im used to quality.
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2016-09-25T03:35:57 < PeterM> good to see the plants alive and not dead
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2016-09-25T03:36:30 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: lol, this one actually fell down on the floor today
2016-09-25T03:37:16 < LeelooMinai> But yes, it was dead... I have one big plant in the center and it is still alive
2016-09-25T03:37:35 < LeelooMinai> Must be one of them nerd-cave dwelling plants
2016-09-25T03:38:56 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, somehow I get news about cops in US doing something bad everyday on youtube. Today they gased some 15yo girl in a car...
2016-09-25T03:40:56 < PeterM> dutch oven?
2016-09-25T03:41:55 < LeelooMinai> A, ok, I watched it - apparently they put her onto the back seat and could not close the door so peper-sprayed her inside... fail
2016-09-25T03:42:27 < PeterM> 10/10
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2016-09-25T04:10:26 < upgrdman> "STOP RESISTING" ... while hand-cuffed in the back of a cop car
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2016-09-25T04:11:23 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/pWf9xUR.jpg
2016-09-25T04:15:44 < rcc> lol     
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2016-09-25T04:31:05 < jadew> man... I have an amazing urge to get side-tracked
2016-09-25T04:31:10 < jadew> always
2016-09-25T04:32:06 < jadew> I'm working on this project right now and as I advance I find it increasingly harder to resist starting a side project that would take about a month to complete
2016-09-25T04:32:18 < jadew> it would add some value to what I'm currently doing
2016-09-25T04:32:24 < jadew> but I can do it without
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2016-09-25T04:57:49 < LeelooMinai> That's how the path to the yak side begins
2016-09-25T05:40:18 < jadew> R2COM, a scripting language that compiles to javascript but generates it in a way of my liking
2016-09-25T05:41:07 < jadew> there are already a couple of transpilers out there, but for most I don't like the syntax and I don't like the output for those where the syntax is nice
2016-09-25T05:41:56 < jadew> R2COM, I don't know python
2016-09-25T05:42:07 < jadew> and I'll probably never learn it
2016-09-25T05:42:11 < emeb_mac> R2COM: what do you want python for?
2016-09-25T05:42:20 < jadew> I don't like languages which use spaces as part of the syntax
2016-09-25T05:42:54 < emeb_mac> R2COM: interesting
2016-09-25T05:42:59 < jadew> + I had to look over some python plugins in the past (written in C++) and the code was awful
2016-09-25T05:43:07 < emeb_mac> I've played with python - seems like a decent language
2016-09-25T05:43:08 < jadew> I expect most python stuff is like that
2016-09-25T05:43:19 < emeb_mac> did some matlab-equivalent stuff with it
2016-09-25T05:43:28 < emeb_mac> it's got very nice plotting via matplotlib
2016-09-25T05:43:37 < emeb_mac> and numpy / scipy works well
2016-09-25T05:45:22 < emeb_mac> R2COM: whatever works
2016-09-25T05:45:49 < emeb_mac> if python has interface to Qwt then you're set
2016-09-25T05:46:13 < LeelooMinai> For scientific computations there's a new language called Julia - not an expert on it, but had a look and seems much nicer than Python. It also semms to be pretty fast - close to C/C++/Java
2016-09-25T05:48:16 < jadew> I wrote C++ wrappers for all my instruments
2016-09-25T05:49:33 < jadew> and no need for that VISA crap, I just implemented VXI from scratch
2016-09-25T05:50:05 < jadew> the underlying protocol
2016-09-25T05:50:13 < jadew> for most
2016-09-25T05:52:43 < jadew> I wanted to make a commercial program that did a bunch of cool stuff, but time doesn't seem to allow it
2016-09-25T05:55:01 < jadew> now that I remembered about that project I feel sad
2016-09-25T05:55:02 < LeelooMinai> There are plugins for this 
2016-09-25T05:58:04  * LeelooMinai closes the Reaper
2016-09-25T05:58:08 < LeelooMinai> Session fail
2016-09-25T05:58:14 < jadew> what's the Reaper?
2016-09-25T05:58:57 < LeelooMinai> Kind of a recording software... what do they call them, forgot:/
2016-09-25T05:59:08 < LeelooMinai> O, I know DAW
2016-09-25T05:59:37 < jadew> LeelooMinai, for audio?
2016-09-25T05:59:44 < LeelooMinai> Which is Digital Audio Workstation apparently
2016-09-25T05:59:52 < jadew> you're into music now? :)
2016-09-25T06:00:02 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Right, I use it for guitar
2016-09-25T06:00:05 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/ANiceS-Changer-Adapter-Converter-Female/dp/B00O519I9E/
2016-09-25T06:00:08 < jadew> R2COM, could be
2016-09-25T06:00:10 < ReadErr> looks useful to have
2016-09-25T06:00:14 < jadew> LeelooMinai, are you any good?
2016-09-25T06:00:19 < ReadErr> but i hate low quality usb connectors
2016-09-25T06:00:38 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I have this thing + Roland audio interface: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/20852365590
2016-09-25T06:00:41 < jadew> R2COM, don't know, I don't care about a bit of ghosting
2016-09-25T06:01:17 < LeelooMinai> ukelele
2016-09-25T06:01:18 < jadew> looks nice
2016-09-25T06:01:31 < jadew> I have an electric guitar too
2016-09-25T06:01:40 < jadew> and an electro-acoustic one
2016-09-25T06:01:42 < jadew> but I suck
2016-09-25T06:02:02 < jadew> I also have a midi keyboard, I suck at that too
2016-09-25T06:02:12 < LeelooMinai> I play 10 minutes per month currently, so not much improvement:p
2016-09-25T06:02:22 < jadew> haha, about the same here
2016-09-25T06:02:55 < LeelooMinai> Oh well, cannot be good at everything I guess, right? :)
2016-09-25T06:03:20 < jadew> that's how I look at it :P
2016-09-25T06:03:36 < jadew> I even took classes for almost 2 years
2016-09-25T06:03:48 < jadew> I just didn't have time to practice between classes...
2016-09-25T06:04:55 < LeelooMinai> When I was small my father enrolled me in some private piano sessions, but eventually I figured "Hey, if I go downtown instead window shopping no one will even notice"
2016-09-25T06:05:35 < emeb_mac> and now you wish you'd paid more attention back then...
2016-09-25T06:05:35 < LeelooMinai> So he was pretty surprised next time he met the piano teacher;/
2016-09-25T06:05:55 < jadew> I started playing piano by myself when I was a kid, got quite good at it
2016-09-25T06:05:56 < LeelooMinai> Not really, because I don't have any piano-like instrument:)
2016-09-25T06:06:01 < jadew> then I discovered computers
2016-09-25T06:06:04 < jadew> and that was it
2016-09-25T06:06:53 < LeelooMinai> Right, computers led all to this damn IRC place 
2016-09-25T06:07:48 < jadew> IRC is social suicide for nerds
2016-09-25T06:08:12 < jadew> it's not really enough, but still... enough to let go of all your real life friends
2016-09-25T06:08:47 < jadew> I haven't seen any of my friends in maybe half a year...
2016-09-25T06:09:18 < jadew> I don't mind it
2016-09-25T06:11:12 < jadew> they're boring
2016-09-25T06:11:15 < jadew> they don't do anything
2016-09-25T06:13:21 < LeelooMinai> That's what they probably thing about you "But... he does not do anything, just sits there by the monitor!"
2016-09-25T06:14:59 < LeelooMinai> "-- Yes, I know, right. Last time he was saying something about making new languages or something... I think he went mental."
2016-09-25T06:15:09 < jadew> they might, it's not like I can tell them anything about what I do, they wouldn't understand
2016-09-25T06:15:29 < jadew> no, I just don't tell them, they don't have the background to understand any of it
2016-09-25T06:15:46 < jadew> so it would be pointless
2016-09-25T06:16:54 < LeelooMinai> Right, I remember when I made one of the FPGA boards and showed it to my sister, she was oh and ahs, but when she asked me what it does I was kind of wordless:)
2016-09-25T06:17:29 < jadew> yeah, I know that feeling
2016-09-25T06:18:35 < jadew> I first encountered it when I was a kid and living with my grandparents, I managed to crack something and was overwhelmed with happiness
2016-09-25T06:18:46 < jadew> went running in the kitchen and... stopped
2016-09-25T06:19:22 < LeelooMinai> The sad part is, when I was doing mountain bike riding, you would think, hey, that's cool, sport and all, but the local people who lived in mountains look at "us" like aliens and even asked us if someone told us to punish ourselves and climb the moountains:)
2016-09-25T06:25:51 < upgrdman> lol  https://youtu.be/QQPfG6hCFUY?t=49
2016-09-25T06:28:02 < jadew> wtf?
2016-09-25T06:28:06 < jadew> that's very sad
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2016-09-25T06:30:11 < jadew> post something funny now
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2016-09-25T06:30:39 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I learned not to open his links long time ago:p
2016-09-25T06:32:55 < jadew> they've morphed
2016-09-25T06:34:28 < jadew> the old ones were just awful to watch, the current ones mess with your emotions
2016-09-25T06:35:25 < LeelooMinai> Evolution of a psychopath...
2016-09-25T06:35:32 < jadew> lol     
2016-09-25T06:39:44 < jadew> oh well, /r/boobs to the rescue
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2016-09-25T06:43:48 < jadew> 4th one, right click, save as
2016-09-25T06:49:17 < upgrdman> lol     
2016-09-25T06:49:29 < upgrdman> cg movie too much for your emotions huh
2016-09-25T06:49:40 < jadew> what's cg?
2016-09-25T06:49:51 < upgrdman> the movie i linked that made you sad
2016-09-25T06:49:57 < upgrdman> comp gen'd
2016-09-25T06:50:16 < jadew> yeah, it was very sad really
2016-09-25T06:50:21 < upgrdman> it is
2016-09-25T06:50:24 < upgrdman> but funny too
2016-09-25T06:52:01 < jadew> don't know, couldn't get past the little guy's pain/shame
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2016-09-25T07:27:30 < jadew> https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/54c0y6/amazing_transformation/
2016-09-25T07:28:26 < PeterM> old     
2016-09-25T07:28:43 < PeterM> like days
2016-09-25T07:29:53 < LeelooMinai> I don't get the title...
2016-09-25T07:30:31 < PeterM> bait and switch
2016-09-25T07:30:41 < PeterM> it is implying the yellwo toy car thign is a transformer
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2016-09-25T07:30:47 < PeterM> and yopu are to watch that
2016-09-25T07:30:55 < LeelooMinai> Pff     
2016-09-25T07:30:56 < PeterM> and then be caught off guard
2016-09-25T07:31:06 < PeterM> trash
2016-09-25T07:31:08 < PeterM> 0/10
2016-09-25T07:31:23 < jadew> you must be great at parties
2016-09-25T07:31:38 < jadew> explaining all the jokes in advance
2016-09-25T07:31:51 < PeterM> i am, because all my jokes are so good they dont need explaining...
2016-09-25T07:32:28 < LeelooMinai> Well, I am more curious who designed that pavewalk there - it's bound to cause accidents like that. It's it's designed specifically to spring human ankles:)
2016-09-25T07:32:53 < jadew> yeah, crossed my mind that it might happen a lot
2016-09-25T07:32:59 < jadew> and that they were filming, waiting for it
2016-09-25T07:33:41 < LeelooMinai> So, better place for this would be some youtube video like, say, Engineering Fails:)
2016-09-25T07:33:41 < PeterM> or maybe people could just be not hsit at one of the most basic thigns we do every day, walking - how do oyu fuck that up, theres nothign even to trip on
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2016-09-25T07:34:21 < LeelooMinai> Well, that's the thing - you normally expect places like this to be flat, so it even makes it worse:)
2016-09-25T07:34:52 < jadew> it happens, same color and it loses height at an agle
2016-09-25T07:34:55 < jadew> *angle
2016-09-25T07:35:48 < LeelooMinai> In US they would sue the ass out of them:)
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2016-09-25T07:37:44 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, apparently it's Texas...
2016-09-25T07:37:57 < jadew> so she must be rich now
2016-09-25T07:38:05 < LeelooMinai> Ok, my excuse is that Texas is not really like the rest US
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2016-09-25T07:47:27 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: What do you mean "nothing to trip on"... That place ia not flat - there's like 30 degree angle there between both areas
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2016-09-25T08:00:55 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, unless drag your feet like an oaf there is ntohing to trip on
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2016-09-25T08:01:46 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: That's the worst scenario for ankle - putting your weight at an angle like that.
2016-09-25T08:02:52 < PeterM> are you sure? hopw abotu being hit in the ankle by a forklift?
2016-09-25T08:03:01 < PeterM> im sure thats worse
2016-09-25T08:03:16 < LeelooMinai> I meant in terms of terrain... 
2016-09-25T08:04:11 < LeelooMinai> And considering that is a public place with lots of traffic and people blocking vision...
2016-09-25T08:04:38 < LeelooMinai> I would not blame that woman
2016-09-25T08:05:37 < LeelooMinai> Damn, I had to order M6 screws from China, because North America is metric-challenged, how sad is that
2016-09-25T08:06:22 < LeelooMinai> I also need two pairs of wrenches, socket keys, measuring tapes, rules, etc.
2016-09-25T08:06:46 < PeterM> i would, the old lady behind her with even shittier shoes for terrain seemed to be doign just fine
2016-09-25T08:07:40 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: It's more design fail, than her fail... Well, he failed literallyh, but you know what I mean:p
2016-09-25T08:07:52 < LeelooMinai> she failed*
2016-09-25T08:10:06 < PeterM> decent tools are quite cheap these days...
2016-09-25T08:10:45 < LeelooMinai> I would rather buy one set of nice ones than two medium-grade still
2016-09-25T08:11:16 < LeelooMinai> All this units schism is silly
2016-09-25T08:11:22 < PeterM> a 12 peice set of ratcheting imperial wrenches was like $80, metric set was like $85
2016-09-25T08:11:52 < LeelooMinai> Right, so you could save $80 just on wrenches
2016-09-25T08:12:10 < LeelooMinai> I don't know why you think it's not a lot
2016-09-25T08:12:41 < LeelooMinai> You could buy 16 Pi Zeros for it:)
2016-09-25T08:12:44 < PeterM> because if you amortize the cost over the tools lifetime its practically free
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2016-09-25T08:13:50 < LeelooMinai> That's a weird thinking - not all people use tools professionally, so they are just additional one-time expense
2016-09-25T08:14:28 < LeelooMinai> Someone should calculate loses due to dual measuring systems globally:)
2016-09-25T08:15:03 < LeelooMinai> Probasbly a country in Africa could not-starve for it
2016-09-25T08:15:21 < PeterM> what is unprofessional use of a tool?  Oh man, i cent find my ball pee, i guess this 12" adjustable wrench will have to do..."
2016-09-25T08:15:29 < PeterM> *ball peen
2016-09-25T08:15:31 < PeterM> cant
2016-09-25T08:15:47 < LeelooMinai> I mean a use for something that is not your work - say just for household, hobby, etc.
2016-09-25T08:15:55 < LeelooMinai> Or some emergency repair
2016-09-25T08:16:22 < PeterM> in that case, the tool doesnt need to be quality or last long, so the cost of purchase geos down and so does its lifetime
2016-09-25T08:17:02 < LeelooMinai> Yes, and then poor people usually find it broken and have to buy another anyways
2016-09-25T08:18:20 < LeelooMinai> Had to buy this thing too: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10mm-X-12mm-High-Quality-Flexible-Metric-Offset-Double-Ring-Wrench-Spanner-Reversible-Ratchet-Handle-Wrench/32603844262.html
2016-09-25T08:19:08 < LeelooMinai> Hopefully will not desintegrate with light use because I need it for some difficult access places under the CNC table
2016-09-25T08:20:33 < LeelooMinai> Kind of scary that I have to relay on China for 90% of things I buy for my hobbies or I could not afford them...
2016-09-25T08:20:40 < LeelooMinai> rely*
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2016-09-25T08:21:22 < PeterM> i dont know what yo udo to earn money but i am under the impression it is not sufficient
2016-09-25T08:21:40 < LeelooMinai> Not for hobbies no
2016-09-25T08:22:18 < LeelooMinai> But most people I know do the same - buy a lot of stuff from China
2016-09-25T08:22:45 < LeelooMinai> It's the new normal I guess
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2016-09-25T08:26:14 < PeterM> for most tools i buy them locally
2016-09-25T08:26:35 < PeterM> from a large local industrial supply company
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2016-09-25T08:48:00 < stvn> PeterM, https://youtu.be/zKCmyGg3vnM?t=1m47s
2016-09-25T09:02:36 < PeterM> lol     
2016-09-25T09:02:41 < PeterM> 10/10
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2016-09-25T09:23:54 < Thorn> EE was created my a basement dweller http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/magazine/physicstoday/article/65/11/10.1063/PT.3.1788
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2016-09-25T09:28:11 < stvn> wonder if he browsed the chans like doctor laurence
2016-09-25T09:29:08 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1474760808267.webm
2016-09-25T09:30:08 < Chris_M> LOL     
2016-09-25T09:30:27 < stvn> wtf     
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2016-09-25T09:47:17 < ReadErr> lol     
2016-09-25T10:09:11 < stvn> i'd be laughing
2016-09-25T10:10:28 < stvn> but i seem to have inherited a shadow... my friend's insane staffy
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2016-09-25T11:33:38 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhOGNF6qPQI
2016-09-25T11:33:40 < stvn> japan
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2016-09-25T11:38:25 < upgrdman> typical russian car  https://i.reddituploads.com/4650183c48e0443cb423f4fb70cb4af2?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=e5b1f55516eadec2666829f29514668a
2016-09-25T11:41:11 < stvn> expensive?
2016-09-25T11:42:28 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/qlWmyus?r
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2016-09-25T11:44:14 < upgrdman> typical american woman  https://i.imgur.com/YY26QsD.gifv
2016-09-25T11:45:09 < stvn> another dindu
2016-09-25T11:46:24 < stvn> I am sciencing
2016-09-25T11:48:41 < upgrdman> making a bathtub big enough to fit someone's mom     http://i.imgur.com/7EbjUGC.gifv
2016-09-25T11:49:02 < upgrdman> couldnt think or anyone in particular to troll :/
2016-09-25T11:49:14 < stvn> yeah i don't talk to fat fucks
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2016-09-25T12:55:33 < Steffanx> Stevey, be nice.
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2016-09-25T13:18:33 < stvn> hi brother steffan
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2016-09-25T13:53:23 < stvn> Cavitations bubbles generated millions of mechanical vibration wave, bubble in the high frequency under the mass produced and constantly blasting.
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2016-09-25T15:32:40 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeb5LdAyLC8
2016-09-25T15:33:30 < PeterM> ive seen so many differnt things liek that curt
2016-09-25T15:35:47 < Steffanx> Yeah, better watch the compilation(s) to see them all
2016-09-25T15:40:25 < Steffanx> Lazy sunday mr stvn?
2016-09-25T15:42:33 < stvn> yeaj man
2016-09-25T15:42:52 < stvn> just reworking some boards and listening to crap on de innuhhnet
2016-09-25T15:44:05 < stvn> d4805mate
2016-09-25T15:44:43 < Steffanx> Didn't your mom tell you to not work on sunday?
2016-09-25T15:45:03 < stvn> wellll....
2016-09-25T15:45:17 < stvn> i didn't work monday tuesday wednesday thursday or saturday
2016-09-25T15:45:32 < stvn> i quit the day job
2016-09-25T15:47:39 < Steffanx> wut? You left your company?
2016-09-25T15:48:10 < stvn> i left a place i do repairs for 
2016-09-25T15:48:35 < Steffanx> oh, i thought that was also your company work
2016-09-25T15:48:45 < stvn> it is
2016-09-25T15:48:48 < Steffanx> but i guess it is, and you left.
2016-09-25T15:48:52 < Steffanx> no more peter?
2016-09-25T15:49:02 < stvn> the cuck
2016-09-25T15:49:10 < stvn> fuck knows where he is
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2016-09-25T15:52:21 < stvn> i exclusively work for myself now
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2016-09-25T15:57:32 < Steffanx> sounds familiar right?
2016-09-25T16:03:23 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/p2PRhd2.jpg
2016-09-25T16:03:35 < stvn> are these guys taking me for a f***king ride?
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2016-09-25T16:19:01 < zyp> karlp, http://www.wago.com/wagoweb/documentation/855/eng_dat/d08551700_00320000_0en.pdf <- what do you think about these?
2016-09-25T16:27:00 < Steffanx> wago is always fancy. And expensive
2016-09-25T16:28:03 < Steffanx> zyp: The855-1700/032-000Plug-InCurrentTransformeris exclusive to the WAGO-I/O-SYSTEM and shall only be used with WAGO's 750 Series 3-Phase Power Measurement Modules.
2016-09-25T16:28:29 < Steffanx> I wonder if you have to sign something to say you comply with that.
2016-09-25T16:35:55 < Steffanx> Still messing around with your own power measurement system zyp?
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2016-09-25T17:13:35 < BrainDamage> https://libreboot.org/gnu-insult/ daily drama link
2016-09-25T17:13:47 < BrainDamage> warning: laurenceb-level content^
2016-09-25T17:19:25  * stvn clicks
2016-09-25T17:20:07 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/uNcXypk.jpg
2016-09-25T17:22:54 < Laurenceb__> top kek
2016-09-25T17:23:03 < Laurenceb__> moar fun than any tv soap
2016-09-25T17:23:14 < stvn> that's a nice way to throw $665aud down the drain
2016-09-25T17:23:27 < Laurenceb__> anyone here worked with GRP roofing materials?
2016-09-25T17:23:53  * Laurenceb__ is trying to work out if there is any point buying expensive resin rather than cheapest polyester resin shit
2016-09-25T17:28:58 < stvn> heres the other side http://i.imgur.com/hanFuQX.jpg
2016-09-25T17:29:17 < stvn> i spot tms320c6655czh
2016-09-25T17:29:58 < zyp> Steffanx, wat
2016-09-25T17:30:20 < zyp> oh, bullshit
2016-09-25T17:32:11 < Thorn> >You are receiving this email because you have a login account with the ARM Self Service Customer Portal. ... we require that email addresses are validated every six months
2016-09-25T17:32:50 < Thorn> why is corporate + website always == asinine
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2016-09-25T17:35:04 < BrainDamage> it's not limited to websites, websites is just the most common interaction you hve wih them
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2016-09-25T17:36:50 < Laurenceb__>  Leah Rowe is still libreboot's maintainer, and the GNU project has zero right to keep libreboot under its umbrella
2016-09-25T17:36:56 < Laurenceb__> how do I opensource
2016-09-25T17:37:09 < stvn> bend over
2016-09-25T17:37:36 < Steffanx> it's not bullshit zyp. i copied it from that datasheet
2016-09-25T17:39:05 < Steffanx> BrainDamage, does anyone actually use libreboot?
2016-09-25T17:39:48 < BrainDamage> probably people who use old thinkpads, but then again, the original coreboot would also work ... better
2016-09-25T17:39:52 < stvn> someone with a 15 year old amd k6-2 system
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2016-09-25T17:44:32 < Tectu> hi     
2016-09-25T17:45:46 < stvn> hi     
2016-09-25T17:50:42 < Laurenceb__> All of the people who responded on the GNU Prog discuss mailing list are cisgendered men
2016-09-25T17:50:48 < Laurenceb__> its a conspiracy
2016-09-25T17:53:12 < aandrew> R2COM: yes
2016-09-25T17:53:21 < aandrew> R2COM: to the SWD question
2016-09-25T17:54:25 < Tectu> R2COM, it depends on the application. but the answer is "yes"
2016-09-25T18:04:46 < Thorn> R2COM: how close to user's eyes is it going to be when used?
2016-09-25T18:05:09 < Thorn> held in hands? sitting on a table? etc.
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2016-09-25T18:13:20 < Rob235> what does this mean: 
2016-09-25T18:13:21 < Rob235> Since some SPI1 and SPI3/I2S3 pins may be mapped onto
2016-09-25T18:13:21 < Rob235> some pins used by the JTAG interface (SPI1_NSS onto JTDI,
2016-09-25T18:13:21 < Rob235> SPI3_NSS/I2S3_WS onto JTDI and SPI3_SCK/I2S3_CK onto
2016-09-25T18:13:23 < Rob235> JTDO), you may either:
2016-09-25T18:13:23 < Rob235> whoa
2016-09-25T18:13:27 < Rob235> sowwy
2016-09-25T18:19:01 < Rob235> connected on pins A13, A14, A15, B3, and B4? what is this crap
2016-09-25T18:20:17 < Rob235> of course I was going to use B3/4 for SPI, so I guess I should just use another SPI and I'll be ok because no other of those pins are used
2016-09-25T18:20:26 < Rob235> what is jtag anyway
2016-09-25T18:33:34 < Tectu> hmm... matlab is actually quite nice to get stuff done.
2016-09-25T18:34:16 < Tectu> needed a simple script that calculated hexagon grid positions and coordinates and stuff... simple matlab script gets the job done within minutes
2016-09-25T18:36:04 < Thorn> nothing like a $2,560 tool for a 30-line script
2016-09-25T18:39:13 < kakimir> fukin buzzfeed hangover
2016-09-25T18:39:23 < kakimir> watched all night those videos
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2016-09-25T18:53:59 < Rob235> will SPI go faster on APB2 vs APB1 (STM32F4) in real world conditions?
2016-09-25T18:57:01 < Rob235> does anyone know anything about stm32? :)
2016-09-25T18:58:09 < Tectu> Thorn, being a student helps with that
2016-09-25T18:58:27 < Tectu> also, afaik most matlab scripts seem to be 1:1 portable to octave. at least according to a friend
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2016-09-25T19:09:25 < Rob235> R2COM: do you know if SPI is limited by something like what APB bus its on?
2016-09-25T19:09:51 < Lux> you just get a different clock rate in the end
2016-09-25T19:10:01 < Lux> 84 vs 48 mhz
2016-09-25T19:10:05 < Lux> do the math
2016-09-25T19:10:48 < Rob235> I guess I was wondering if there was any other limiting factors
2016-09-25T19:11:04 < Rob235> for an sd card
2016-09-25T19:11:18 < Lux> there is a limit on how fast you can clock the spi peripheral -> see datasheet or ref manual
2016-09-25T19:11:36 < Rob235> is it worth putting it on the faster bus
2016-09-25T19:11:48 < Rob235> yea thats what I am in the process of looking for
2016-09-25T19:11:55 < Lux> you want to use sdio for that anyway not spi
2016-09-25T19:12:03 < Rob235> spi will be fine
2016-09-25T19:12:20 < Rob235> the one I have only does spi anyway
2016-09-25T19:12:24 < Tectu> R2COM, I see, thanks for the info!
2016-09-25T19:12:28 < Lux> and are you using an rtos or did you change the sdcard code ?
2016-09-25T19:12:55 < Tectu> what about scilab? Any experiences on that, R2COM ?
2016-09-25T19:12:56 < Lux> you'll have long waits for the writes if you just use the libs
2016-09-25T19:13:32 < Rob235> I haven't looked into it yet, haven't gotten that far. I figured I'd just set up a buffer and use dma when ready
2016-09-25T19:13:44 < Lux> the limiting factor with sd-cards is the wear leveling shit that goes on internally, so you'll get write delays up to ~250ms iirc
2016-09-25T19:14:34 < Rob235> I'll figure it out
2016-09-25T19:14:54 < Lux> Rob235: you don't use an rtos right ?
2016-09-25T19:15:32 < Lux> with that it's pretty easy to modify the elm chan fat fs lib to work without screwing everything by those delays
2016-09-25T19:15:33 < Rob235> I guess I always assumed it was an rtos? I'm using whatever coocox coide/stdPeriph stuff 
2016-09-25T19:15:54 < Lux> bare bone you'll have to do a lot of stuff by hand
2016-09-25T19:16:26 < Rob235> well right now I'm just setting up the SPI config :P
2016-09-25T19:16:49 < Lux> just saying, been there done that :P
2016-09-25T19:16:51 < Rob235> I haven't set up a new periph in a while
2016-09-25T19:17:03 < Lux> and i got fed up cause I didn't want to dick with it too much
2016-09-25T19:17:06 < Rob235> good, then I know whose brain to pick
2016-09-25T19:17:11 < Rob235> oh     
2016-09-25T19:17:11 < Rob235> heh     
2016-09-25T19:17:20 < Rob235> I got this shit :)
2016-09-25T19:17:37 < Lux> just ended up using another device for logging via uart
2016-09-25T19:17:59 < Rob235> I have to learn ADC too, I at least have a current/voltage sensor wired in already.  this microsd card slot isn't wired in yet
2016-09-25T19:18:41 < Rob235> yea I was thinking about that too, I wanted a datalager but they are sold out
2016-09-25T19:18:59 < Rob235> and I'd like to see if I can get this working anyway
2016-09-25T19:19:10 < Rob235> would be nice to have my own sd card library for future projects anyway
2016-09-25T19:20:50 < Rob235> alright so first step is finding the datasheet to see if 48mhz would be a limiting factor
2016-09-25T19:25:22 < Rob235> I'm thinking that is way more than I need
2016-09-25T19:31:11 < Steffanx> just download chan fatfs and play around with it.
2016-09-25T19:31:16 < Steffanx> probably already some driver available for it.
2016-09-25T19:31:41 < Rob235> true dat
2016-09-25T19:31:42 < Rob235> :)     
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2016-09-25T19:39:50 < Rob235> I hate figuring this shit out, ok so I chose SPI3 (PC10-PC12) , then looking at http://www.mind-dump.net/wproot/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/DMA1_requests.gif
2016-09-25T19:39:57 < Rob235> does it matter which I choose in the first row?
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2016-09-25T20:07:55 < Rob235> So I just need to copy diskio.c/h ff.c/h ffconf.h and integer.h into my project?
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2016-09-25T20:09:04 < Rob235> ahh found a stm32 example
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2016-09-25T21:00:02 < Rob235> how does spi cs/ss work
2016-09-25T21:00:16 < Rob235> (wondering initial state)
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2016-09-25T21:46:31 < aandrew> I'm sure if you can determine the diameter and thread you can find them for peanuts from places like mcmaster-carr
2016-09-25T21:46:42 < aandrew> or whatever the similar company is in your country
2016-09-25T21:47:12 < Steffanx> aliexpress and its annoying auto-translate -_-
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2016-09-25T21:49:36 < Rickta59> pallet sized orders
2016-09-25T22:01:01 < Fleck> anyone got CubeF7 UART RX example? After first receive it gets stuck at HAL_UART_Receive_IT()
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2016-09-25T22:17:05 < Rob235> bwow chicka mwow wow
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2016-09-25T22:24:15 < Thorn> does this look like a clone of anything western/japanese? http://www.elvira.ru/assets/files/Images/BELAN32_big.jpg
2016-09-25T22:31:40 < Thorn> or this one http://elvira.ru/assets/files/Images/BELAN_32M_FRONTVIEW_1.jpg
2016-09-25T22:35:35 < Steffanx> lolyou.
2016-09-25T22:39:18 < jadew> what movie is this from? http://imgur.com/f2YPYyc
2016-09-25T22:40:51 < Steffanx> Star wars. what eles
2016-09-25T22:40:53 < jadew> that russian SA looks decent
2016-09-25T22:40:58 < jadew> Steffanx, ah...
2016-09-25T22:41:02 < Steffanx> General Grievous
2016-09-25T22:41:35 < jadew> I remember seeing a movie a while back about some alien civilization that left some priests in charge of some message
2016-09-25T22:41:54 < jadew> then the movie happens and they show up again at the end of the movie - they looked similar to that guy
2016-09-25T22:42:15 < Thorn> 40GHz http://elvira.ru/assets/files/Images/BELAN400_frontview_new_panel.jpg
2016-09-25T22:42:45 < jadew> neat
2016-09-25T22:42:49 < jadew> how much?
2016-09-25T22:43:13 < Rob235> importing shit like fatfs sucks when you have -wextra and -werror on
2016-09-25T22:43:21 < sync> looks like they are ripping off RS
2016-09-25T22:43:21 < jadew> the interface looks like it was designed by a 5 year old
2016-09-25T22:43:41 < Thorn> $47,860.00
2016-09-25T22:43:49 < Thorn> http://elvira.ru/sobstv/test_meas/own_spectrum_analyzer/sk4_belan_400m.html
2016-09-25T22:43:59 < jadew> damn, that's high
2016-09-25T22:44:08 < sync> it's actually ok
2016-09-25T22:44:41 < jadew> I'm sure it can do a lot more than 40 GHz
2016-09-25T22:44:48 < jadew> probably 300 GHz easily
2016-09-25T22:45:27 < jadew> oh, look at that, has a noise source too
2016-09-25T22:45:45 < Thorn> does LO output mean you can cannect harmonic mixers to it?
2016-09-25T22:45:49 < jadew> yes     
2016-09-25T22:46:09 < jadew> oh, but no IF input
2016-09-25T22:46:40 < Steffanx> lol those gradients were even old 5 years ago jadew.
2016-09-25T22:47:02 < jadew> Steffanx, no, I mean by a 5 years old kid
2016-09-25T22:47:08 < jadew> not 5 years ago :P
2016-09-25T22:47:10 < Steffanx> ah ok. misread that
2016-09-25T22:47:26 < jadew> those were in style in the 90's
2016-09-25T22:47:32 < jadew> on webpages
2016-09-25T22:48:07 < Steffanx> Is a russian flag on a russian product mandatory Thorn?
2016-09-25T22:48:35 < Thorn> well out of 3 I linked to only one has it lol
2016-09-25T22:48:58 < jadew> if I'd make a cool product like that, I'd probably slap on the Romanian flag too
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2016-09-25T22:50:25 < jadew> depends who you're selling it to
2016-09-25T22:50:45 < jadew> more like "to give up on half the market"
2016-09-25T22:50:58 < Steffanx> but it was clearn with the others, due to the russian text on it Thorn. This one was in english and had  the flag 
2016-09-25T22:51:32 < jadew> Steffanx, so you're saying it's like a warning sign :P
2016-09-25T22:51:45 < Steffanx> it might be.
2016-09-25T22:53:10 < jadew> R2COM, make your own
2016-09-25T22:55:43 < emeb> R2COM: Mostly pre-built Johnson SMA cables.
2016-09-25T22:56:00 < emeb> bought from Digi-Key years ago
2016-09-25T22:56:12 < emeb> probably 10-12 yrs old
2016-09-25T22:56:18 < emeb> yeah - they're not cheap
2016-09-25T22:56:40 < emeb> and oddly they've been failing a lot lately - cable pulls out of the connector.
2016-09-25T22:56:59 < emeb> I also bought a batch of much less expensive SMAs from Jameco
2016-09-25T22:57:12 < emeb> the coax pulls out of the connector
2016-09-25T22:57:57 < emeb> oh - the actual PCB connectors...
2016-09-25T22:58:05 < emeb> Yeah - I get those from ebay.
2016-09-25T22:58:08 < jadew> I make my own cables with RG316 cable or with semi-rigid, depends what I need them for
2016-09-25T22:58:11 < emeb> they're just fine
2016-09-25T22:59:22 < emeb> These are cheap and seem to work OK -> http://www.jameco.com/z/4846-K-12-R-Cable-Assembly-SMA-Male-to-SMA-Male-1-Foot-RG-174coax-Cable-50-Ohm_163855.html
2016-09-25T22:59:52 < emeb> I don't mess around with building my own cables
2016-09-25T23:00:00 < jadew> that doesn't look like 174
2016-09-25T23:00:25 < emeb> you don't really save much money and it's a hassle
2016-09-25T23:00:53 < jadew> for me it's not about saving but about having the right length of cable when I need it
2016-09-25T23:01:11 < emeb> I just buy a variety of lengths.
2016-09-25T23:01:20 < emeb> 6", 1', 2', etc
2016-09-25T23:01:43 < emeb> and for short cables that I use on the bench the loss isn't a big deal
2016-09-25T23:02:03 < jadew> yeah, I use short cables too
2016-09-25T23:02:05 < emeb> for long runs to antenna I use low-loss double-shielded stuff.
2016-09-25T23:03:31 < emeb> depends on freq of course.
2016-09-25T23:03:46 < emeb> again, I mostly use 2' or less
2016-09-25T23:04:01 < emeb> small bench :)
2016-09-25T23:05:11 < emeb> If I were running 100' I'd care.
2016-09-25T23:06:04 < jadew> rp-sma?
2016-09-25T23:06:20 < emeb> for my antenna run I got LMR195
2016-09-25T23:07:14 < jadew> did you check the diameter
2016-09-25T23:07:26 < emeb> LMR195 is double shielded
2016-09-25T23:07:56 < emeb> so you can run it close to other noisy cables w/o crap getting in
2016-09-25T23:08:38 < jadew> I used 318 for my antenna and it sucks
2016-09-25T23:09:02 < jadew> the performance changes when I move the cable around
2016-09-25T23:09:18 < emeb> I was running RG174 past a computer - getting all sorts of crap into the rx frontend
2016-09-25T23:09:30 < emeb> switched to lmr195 and it was much better
2016-09-25T23:09:50 < emeb> yes     
2016-09-25T23:09:55 < jadew> I experienced great improvements in that department by changing the HDMI cable
2016-09-25T23:09:57 < emeb> had same problem with RG58
2016-09-25T23:10:01 < jadew> got a double shielded one
2016-09-25T23:10:09 < emeb> yep     
2016-09-25T23:10:29 < emeb> again - it depends on where you're running the cable
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2016-09-25T23:11:03 < jadew> any ideas on a quiet PSU?
2016-09-25T23:11:09 < jadew> the one I have is awful
2016-09-25T23:11:44 < jadew> and it's impossible not to leak anything out of the PC, because you'll always have some crappy USB cable plugged in
2016-09-25T23:12:08 < emeb> R2COM: yeah - that's what I do
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2016-09-25T23:12:31 < jadew> I use RG 174 inside stuff
2016-09-25T23:12:54 < emeb> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LMR195-SMA-male-to-male-plug-LMR-195-Low-Loss-Coaxial-Coax-Cable-Any-Length-Lot-/181937187354?var=&hash=item2a5c4d2a1a:m:mX2k170V1mzE6eV8pCxQjEQ
2016-09-25T23:13:40 < jadew> not bad
2016-09-25T23:13:50 < emeb> yeah - $20 for 10m
2016-09-25T23:14:47 < sync> if the cable actually has closed screening mesh
2016-09-25T23:15:01 < emeb> just beware - LMR195 is about 5mm dia and is kind of stiff
2016-09-25T23:15:06 < emeb> not good for tight bends
2016-09-25T23:18:33 < emeb> 316 is pretty small - should be flexible.
2016-09-25T23:18:39 < emeb> but only single shield
2016-09-25T23:19:02 < emeb> and 22dB/100ft
2016-09-25T23:19:27 < emeb> ya     
2016-09-25T23:26:53 < emeb> probably about the same
2016-09-25T23:33:04 < Rob235> what is i2s and is it used with sd card readers?
2016-09-25T23:33:15 < Rob235> I thought it was just for sound
2016-09-25T23:43:22 < emeb> Rob235: I've only ever used I2S for audio
2016-09-25T23:43:42 < emeb> I suppose you could use it for generic data transfer, but it's not ideal for that.
2016-09-25T23:43:52 < emeb> better off just using SPI if that's what you want.
2016-09-25T23:44:22 < Rob235> I think the code I saw was just using the spi_i2s to reset the spi because nothing else mentioned i2s
2016-09-25T23:45:18 < emeb> yeah - some of the functions overlap in the STM32 libs
2016-09-25T23:45:47 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvu_9dATSG0 properly fast prop planes
2016-09-25T23:48:24 < emeb> R2COM: the F7 disco LCD is only hooked up via the on-chip parallel LCD controller
2016-09-25T23:48:41 < emeb> but nothing stops you from hooking up a SPI LCD and driving that.
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2016-09-25T23:50:04 < emeb> if you know you're going to use a SPI LCD might as well not screw around with the onboard parallel display
2016-09-25T23:52:53 < emeb> that's not for an elastic conn
2016-09-25T23:52:54 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9mNNA2gEF8 next zano?
2016-09-25T23:53:05 < emeb> that's for a flex cable with flat termination
2016-09-25T23:53:43 < emeb> right
2016-09-25T23:54:10 < emeb> yep     
2016-09-25T23:54:40 < emeb> push that into the zif thing and the black plastic pushes in and keeps it tight
2016-09-25T23:55:08 < emeb> kind of a wedge
2016-09-25T23:55:18 < emeb> yeah - snaps in/out
2016-09-25T23:55:32 < emeb> very common high-density connector
2016-09-25T23:55:40 < emeb> you see that a lot in small consumer goods
2016-09-25T23:59:39 < Rob235> how do you use fatfs?
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2016-09-26T00:01:38 < emeb> black thing at the end is a whole 'nuther kind of connector
2016-09-26T00:01:54 < emeb> little press-in socket required
2016-09-26T00:01:59 < Rob235> I'm getting an error for implicit functions 'RAM_disk_write', 'MMC_disk_write', and 'USB_disk_write' (then the same 3 but instead of write, its read, status, and initialize)
2016-09-26T00:02:25 < emeb> Rob235: fatfs requires you to write the low level device interfaces
2016-09-26T00:03:04 < emeb> Rob235: but if you look in the ST example code you can probably find some already written
2016-09-26T00:03:27 < Rob235> I see
2016-09-26T00:04:30 < Rob235> ahh I see this stuff
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2016-09-26T00:42:20 < LeelooMinai> If someone is bored mikeselectric has some DMA+SPI viedeo (did not watch yet): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlKilhcP_ic&feature=em-uploademail
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2016-09-26T00:51:43 < Laurenceb__> the Musk MCT plan has been leaked on /pol/
2016-09-26T00:51:54 < Laurenceb__> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/32171e0097c8adb746cdc5e83aeeeffd985ca91b227670cf8b0064132b1d1d67.jpg
2016-09-26T00:52:25  * Laurenceb__ reposts on /r/spacex for epin lulz
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2016-09-26T01:07:28 < upgrdman> i dont remember a lecture like this in my science classes  https://i.redd.it/w041e7tfhonx.jpg
2016-09-26T01:11:06 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/T6ddGYL.gifv
2016-09-26T01:14:16 < Laurenceb__> nasty scank
2016-09-26T01:15:04 < LeelooMinai> Probably just a sex education class
2016-09-26T01:15:33 < Laurenceb__> lul     
2016-09-26T01:16:06 < Laurenceb__>  "ok guys this is what you are expected to do: bend over and take it up the ass"
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2016-09-26T01:56:17 < LeelooMinai> lol: http://i.imgur.com/IsTfPqO.png
2016-09-26T01:58:35  * LeelooMinai ponders what that even means
2016-09-26T01:59:03 < LeelooMinai> If you said that math is always thought by people who want to be math teachers, it would not say much either:p
2016-09-26T02:00:31 < Laurenceb__> sexual weirdos
2016-09-26T02:00:52 < Laurenceb__> linux for windows
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2016-09-26T02:01:27 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess I will have now bash prompt on Win 10
2016-09-26T02:02:18 < LeelooMinai> I knew that something evil was up when the update was taking like 1 hour...
2016-09-26T02:04:30 < Laurenceb__> the current year
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2016-09-26T02:11:27 < Rob235> why did I just double click a C file and it opened up in altium?
2016-09-26T02:11:57 < BrainDamage> LeelooMinai: the add on was automatic or did you enable it? also, did you op in for some beta program?
2016-09-26T02:11:59 < LeelooMinai> Because they have some microcontroller stuff in there - they want to do everything including FPGAs:/
2016-09-26T02:12:54 < LeelooMinai> BrainDamage: It was automatic. I then read what new features this update brings and read that I can enable this feature + restart and get this Linux subsystem, so I tried it.
2016-09-26T02:13:28 < LeelooMinai> It's part of "anniversary update" to win 10
2016-09-26T02:13:49 < LeelooMinai> Which is apparently just second major update or something like that.
2016-09-26T02:14:01 < BrainDamage> ok, so you had to explicitly enable it
2016-09-26T02:14:21 < LeelooMinai> In the program features, yes.
2016-09-26T02:14:27 < BrainDamage> that makes it less useful fo what i need :/
2016-09-26T02:14:45 < LeelooMinai> But it was just a checkmark + wait for download + restart
2016-09-26T02:16:28 < LeelooMinai> Mostly for lols: tried, top, ssh, nano, etc. - they all work:)
2016-09-26T02:17:00 < BrainDamage> ssh is the reason why i want it, basically run ssh from random pcs
2016-09-26T02:17:16 < BrainDamage> but having to manually install, might as well download putty
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2016-09-26T02:28:51 < upgrdman> any there any wireless stm32 programmers? like swd over bluetooth or something?
2016-09-26T02:35:23 < karlp> I'm sure you could use regualr bluetooth serial extenders with say, black magic probe or similar
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2016-09-26T03:06:19 < Laurenceb__> I've done bootloader over bluetooth
2016-09-26T03:06:23 < Laurenceb__> I also hate bluetooth
2016-09-26T03:06:29 < Laurenceb__> its cancerous
2016-09-26T03:07:58 < Laurenceb__> reportedly bluetooth 4 is less fail
2016-09-26T03:09:16 < Laurenceb__> lul @ chinese telescope
2016-09-26T03:09:19 < Laurenceb__> is dat some matlab
2016-09-26T03:09:28 < Laurenceb__> inb4 pirated matlab
2016-09-26T03:11:27 < Rob235> / translate the reslut code here
2016-09-26T03:13:39 < Rob235> what is the correct way to modify FatFs (read/write/init) for your needs?
2016-09-26T03:16:56 < Laurenceb__> wut     
2016-09-26T03:17:01 < Laurenceb__> just copypaste it
2016-09-26T03:17:23 < Rob235> copypaste what
2016-09-26T03:18:16 < Rob235> I added the 8 files to my project now how do I make data_read/write/init work
2016-09-26T03:19:32 < Laurenceb__> wut     
2016-09-26T03:19:39 < Laurenceb__> you copypaste the codez
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2016-09-26T03:19:59 < Laurenceb__> there is driver code for all stm32 series
2016-09-26T03:20:09 < Rob235> where
2016-09-26T03:20:15 < Laurenceb__> I dunno lol
2016-09-26T03:20:22 < Laurenceb__> check my github for F1
2016-09-26T03:20:27 < Rob235> f4     
2016-09-26T03:20:40 < Rob235> link
2016-09-26T03:20:45 < Rob235> to your github
2016-09-26T03:20:50 < Laurenceb__> its got to exist somewhere
2016-09-26T03:21:02 < Laurenceb__> I found F1 on elm-chan
2016-09-26T03:21:39 < Rob235> where do the functions even get pasted? inside the fatfs library or are they like extern or something
2016-09-26T03:21:39 < Laurenceb__> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Equine/blob/master/Util/fat_fs/src/sd_spi_stm32.c
2016-09-26T03:22:08 < Rob235> thanks
2016-09-26T03:22:10 < Laurenceb__> check my folders - in /src
2016-09-26T03:22:22 < Laurenceb__> I think I modified that file, but it shouldnt matter
2016-09-26T03:22:34 < Laurenceb__> just to allow it to be used directly by usb code
2016-09-26T03:22:51 < Laurenceb__> its way more efficient than the fail st code for usb mass storage
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2016-09-26T03:39:12 < Rob235> I see it I see it! its at the bottom! its at the bottom! ...
2016-09-26T03:45:54 < Rob235> Laurenceb__: do you know why things are split up into RAM/MMC/USB? Can I just delete all the non mmc stuff or point it all to the mmc stuff? or have the non mmc stuff do nothing?
2016-09-26T03:47:22 < Rob235> haha I just triggered a memory where I think I had a dream last night where I was in an airport and some kid was holding a sign that said "I'm ohsix"
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2016-09-26T03:52:53 < upgrdman> smart mechanic  https://i.redd.it/mb6bom4cdbnx.jpg
2016-09-26T04:01:18 < Laurenceb__> RAM/MMC/USB  ?!
2016-09-26T04:01:31 < Laurenceb__> I'm confused, like where, and in which code
2016-09-26T04:04:40 < Rob235> diskio.c
2016-09-26T04:04:42 < Rob235> in fatfs
2016-09-26T04:05:13 < Rob235> its the whole file
2016-09-26T04:05:29 < Laurenceb__> oh yeah
2016-09-26T04:06:05 < Laurenceb__> seems I was just as confused...
2016-09-26T04:06:34 < Rob235> so do I need a function pointer for each that points to the same one? (or do it the right way and have 9 extra functions?) that would be empty I guess
2016-09-26T04:06:44 < Laurenceb__> yeah I deleted it and bypassed the functions in diskio
2016-09-26T04:06:56 < Rob235> ok so it all just does the same thing
2016-09-26T04:06:59 < Laurenceb__> simple solution to overcomplication
2016-09-26T04:07:00 < Rob235> I'll do that
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2016-09-26T04:39:48 < dongs> R2COM: http://www.hotmcu.com/stm32f107vct6-development-board-p-114.html?cPath=1_20
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2016-09-26T05:42:24 < stvn> Good morning innovation
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2016-09-26T06:11:52 < aandrew> https://streamable.com/9lhv
2016-09-26T06:17:26 < stvn> welcome englishman
2016-09-26T06:18:29 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/8LekHs6.jpg
2016-09-26T06:19:26 < LeelooMinai> https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/22415871378 :>
2016-09-26T06:21:53 < LeelooMinai> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e9/ed/ec/e9edecaca82d8718dbd4066554e8044c.jpg
2016-09-26T06:24:18 < LeelooMinai> O, finally, figured out why stop -> wakup -> 2MHz clock instead of 80
2016-09-26T06:24:46 < LeelooMinai> There's some flag that selects between MSI and HSI in such situation apparently
2016-09-26T06:25:45 < LeelooMinai> Though I think I need to turn PLL on to or something:/
2016-09-26T06:26:22 < LeelooMinai> Holy flag galore
2016-09-26T06:26:27 < stvn> yeah MCUs tend to do stuff
2016-09-26T06:27:03 < LeelooMinai> Well, I mean all was set up - PLL, etc. but when it got up from stop it wasn't as before WFI
2016-09-26T06:27:04 < stvn> nice lazy dong there englishman 
2016-09-26T06:27:26 < stvn> LeelooMinai, yeah i wouldn't assume it was user friendly ;)
2016-09-26T06:28:14 < LeelooMinai> Pff     
2016-09-26T06:28:37 < LeelooMinai> And would still pull my hair off, just for different reasons probably:)
2016-09-26T06:33:21 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, besides measuring current consuption, one other way to monitor what is going on was probably just outputing the MSI clock and monitoring it with LA - did not think about it
2016-09-26T06:34:48  * LeelooMinai looks at the schematic
2016-09-26T06:35:42 < LeelooMinai> It's 10 seconds in Chibios too - my question is more if the pin is available on m y board
2016-09-26T06:35:59 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, it is, kind of, oki...
2016-09-26T06:36:19 < LeelooMinai> Next time I will try to leave it for debug if possible
2016-09-26T06:37:24 < LeelooMinai> englishman: I use TimeCube, but mostly for pin planning and for looking at the clock tree - that view it's pretty neat
2016-09-26T06:37:45 < LeelooMinai> And I tried a bit the power planning view - seems nice too.
2016-09-26T06:38:11 < LeelooMinai> But, well, probably one needs to measure power consuption in RL anyways
2016-09-26T06:38:32 < LeelooMinai> Did not here about KawaiiOS:p
2016-09-26T06:38:35 < LeelooMinai> hear*
2016-09-26T06:39:09 < LeelooMinai> Seems pretty niche...
2016-09-26T06:39:13 < LeelooMinai> Or Sounds
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2016-09-26T07:30:45 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, right, so it exits stop and uses HSI16 now, but that's 16MHz. Seems to go higher PLL must be used, but from the datasheet, it has 15 to 40μs startuo time, so that's a tradeoff.
2016-09-26T07:31:14 < LeelooMinai> Could also go from stop to MSI up to 48MHz, so now there's a dillema.
2016-09-26T07:32:35 < LeelooMinai> To really know what ends up more power efficient, probably I would need to datalog at high frequency or use some super-accurate power meter:/
2016-09-26T07:33:13 < LeelooMinai> That M1K I have is only 100ksps, so not enough probably.
2016-09-26T07:35:30 < LeelooMinai> PLL uses up to 1mA apparently, so that worth only like 5MHz of CPU speed, but on the other hand it will make the wakup longer.
2016-09-26T07:35:39 < LeelooMinai> Up to 0.5mA*
2016-09-26T07:38:19 < stvn> i am pleased your sand is working
2016-09-26T07:38:24 < stvn> also Laurenceb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmkXCsqJee0
2016-09-26T07:39:25 < LeelooMinai> You see, don't eat lead
2016-09-26T07:40:12 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-26T07:40:50 < LeelooMinai> And mercury too
2016-09-26T07:40:58 < stvn> definitely 
2016-09-26T07:43:22 < LeelooMinai> I wish I had USB3 device that can log, say, 4+ analog channels and 8+ digital ones at at least 1 Gsps and store min 10 seconds of data.
2016-09-26T07:43:32 < stvn> me too
2016-09-26T07:44:13 < LeelooMinai> But I don't see that happening any time soon:)
2016-09-26T07:44:24 < stvn> go super hardcore and make a pci-e expansion card loaded with beefy fpgas
2016-09-26T07:45:24 < LeelooMinai> Yes, well, I could do that and I don't even worry about the hardware part, but about the firmware/software. I did some FPGA development and it's painful as hell:/
2016-09-26T07:48:09 < stvn> yeah i know this guy named mr flea86, he likes fpgas :P
2016-09-26T07:48:27 < stvn> we actually live somewhat close in australia
2016-09-26T07:48:49 < LeelooMinai> Right, he designed Mach and ECP5-based dev boards and sells them
2016-09-26T07:49:09 < stvn> yeah he's doing some revisions and then releasing them
2016-09-26T07:49:33 < LeelooMinai> I made two FPGA boards too. One of them: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/16921676821
2016-09-26T07:49:34 < stvn> how he routed that on a tiny 4layer board and reflowed it at home, guy is insane :P
2016-09-26T07:50:05 < stvn> v nice there, i like the squiggly traces and the magjack
2016-09-26T07:50:47 < LeelooMinai> As to insanity, I soldered this once: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/18250519673 :)
2016-09-26T07:51:15 < stvn> yeah i saw that, pretty crafty, whats the pitch on those ball lands?
2016-09-26T07:51:30 < LeelooMinai> 0.4mm - it's a wafer-scale MachXO3
2016-09-26T07:51:34 < stvn> :o     
2016-09-26T07:52:08 < LeelooMinai> It's one of those things I am glad I did, but will never do again:)
2016-09-26T07:52:23  * stvn tries to imagine doing it with his x3 eye loupe
2016-09-26T07:52:45 < LeelooMinai> Right, that would be unadvisable - I used stereo microscope.
2016-09-26T07:52:55 < stvn> of course!
2016-09-26T07:53:26 < LeelooMinai> FPGAs are neat - but the tools:/
2016-09-26T07:53:36 < stvn> not a fan of diamond?
2016-09-26T07:54:27 < LeelooMinai> Diamond is ok, considering, but in general all the HDL situation and vendor-controled bitstreams, IPs, etc., it's pretty bad imo.
2016-09-26T07:54:51 < LeelooMinai> Pretty user-unfriendly everything.
2016-09-26T07:55:10 < stvn> as one of those things i do when i am so bored, i got it running on fedora lunix, except the IP stuff wouldn't work
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2016-09-26T07:56:59 < LeelooMinai> I went pretty far in my FPGA quest - was using SystemVerilog and more or less had everything covered, but I just got pissed eventually and decided not to use FPGAs for anything too complicated.
2016-09-26T07:57:19 < stvn> yeah of course, for that there's mr R2
2016-09-26T07:57:34 < LeelooMinai> What R2? :)
2016-09-26T07:59:21  * stvn points to the user list
2016-09-26T07:59:26 < stvn> we dare not wake him
2016-09-26T08:01:13 < LeelooMinai> I thought he is still using tubes:p
2016-09-26T08:01:30 < stvn> of course
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2016-09-26T09:27:59 < dongs> http://dangerousprototypes.com/store/circuits
2016-09-26T09:31:36 < upgrdman> lol     
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2016-09-26T09:32:52 < upgrdman> also lol @ prices in $US with four decimal places here  https://www.seeedstudio.com/wherelabs-m-9.html
2016-09-26T09:33:39 < dongs> donno whats more lol
2016-09-26T09:33:42 < dongs> or this https://cadsoft.io/blog/beta-7.6.2-now-available-net-names-on-tracks-explorations-into-one-click-cam-export-to-step/
2016-09-26T09:34:15 < dongs> https://cadsoft.io/site/assets/files/54461/names_in_tracks_in_pcb.690x0-is.png
2016-09-26T09:34:20 < dongs> why hasnt  this been in eagle
2016-09-26T09:34:38 < upgrdman> such innovation
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2016-09-26T09:35:14 < dongs> The MAKE button will also snapshot your design and store it under your user profile on Autodesk’s Circuits.io site. 
2016-09-26T09:35:20 < dongs> also some cloudy trash
2016-09-26T09:35:26 < dongs> one click? k we'll upload your shit to a site
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2016-09-26T10:07:44 < stvn> wonder if they make a farken altium foot
2016-09-26T10:12:27 < stvn> mr dongs how much would you charge for an altium footprint?
2016-09-26T10:15:02 < dongs> $100/hr
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2016-09-26T10:40:22 < stvn> hmm what to do
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2016-09-26T12:30:49 < stvn> the loaded jacker
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2016-09-26T12:46:02 < karlp> LeelooMinai: on that narrow purple board you posted, with the msata/minipcie/ngff?, lattice x02, and magjack, what's the part with the... rubber? thing holding it down?
2016-09-26T12:46:27 < dongs> i was wondering that too
2016-09-26T12:48:20 < stvn> me three
2016-09-26T12:48:28 < stvn> just didn't get around to asking
2016-09-26T12:48:30 < karlp> also, what are you using the stc1000 controller for on the grey metal box?
2016-09-26T12:48:43 < karlp> what is that xrgmi project even? the power supply looks pretty wild too, two cans on it
2016-09-26T12:49:40 < dongs> some wild shit involving xmos
2016-09-26T12:49:53 < dongs> which is the point where i stopped caring
2016-09-26T12:50:42 < stvn> aint that a shame
2016-09-26T12:56:39 < stvn> I miss the classic chats of ##stm32 
2016-09-26T12:57:40 < Steffann> You mean stm32 talk?
2016-09-26T13:00:49 < stvn> sure thing
2016-09-26T13:02:28 < stvn> tomorrow i perform as/nzs 3760 tests for a client
2016-09-26T13:02:56 < karlp> hrm, media.defconf.org seems to be pretty busted,
2016-09-26T13:03:04 < karlp> kept failing to give me pdfs on friday, still fialing today
2016-09-26T13:04:03 < stvn> i'll make sure your double insulated alarm clock isn't leaking too much current okay
2016-09-26T13:27:09 < dongs> im thinking of buying ulinkpro-D
2016-09-26T13:27:16 < dongs> for the D, obviously
2016-09-26T13:28:07 < stvn> whats the d do?
2016-09-26T13:28:16 < stvn> srsly
2016-09-26T13:28:17 < dongs> 100mhz SWO
2016-09-26T13:28:21 < stvn> oh fuck yea
2016-09-26T13:28:40 < stvn> yeah i think the ulinkpro is on my bucketlist if i go hardcore stm32
2016-09-26T13:29:57 < stvn> unfortunately a cunstomer needs my help for most of tomorrow
2016-09-26T13:30:05 < dongs> jlink ultra+ is ~similar price
2016-09-26T13:30:10 < dongs> but wider software support
2016-09-26T13:30:33 < stvn> yeah i notice they are very much in competition
2016-09-26T13:32:56 < stvn> i was perusing keil + segger the other day
2016-09-26T13:35:02 < stvn> speaking of which, i'm setting up this machine, i wonder if keil took my advice that there are newer operating systems than 'windows vista'
2016-09-26T13:35:34 < dongs> wut     
2016-09-26T13:36:47 < stvn> when i upgrade to a newer version their stupid website asked me which os i ran, iirc the choices were w2000, wxp, and wvista
2016-09-26T13:36:56 < dongs> oh     
2016-09-26T13:37:02 < dongs> i dont even check taht box
2016-09-26T13:37:05 < dongs> i think just leave it at default
2016-09-26T13:37:16 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-26T13:37:29 < dongs> wat     
2016-09-26T13:37:33 < dongs> i dont see OS in that form
2016-09-26T13:37:41 < dongs> i see a list of MCU vendors
2016-09-26T13:37:44 < dongs> and which cortex
2016-09-26T13:38:03 < stvn> are you downloading a new copy or following a link from mdk-arm to upgrade
2016-09-26T13:39:02 < stvn> Estimated File Download Time: 
2016-09-26T13:39:02 < stvn> < 45.3 Hours: 56Kb Modem
2016-09-26T13:39:02 < stvn> < 19.8 Hours: 128Kb ISDN
2016-09-26T13:39:02 < stvn> < 1.6 Hours: T1/Broadband
2016-09-26T13:39:06 < stvn> rofl
2016-09-26T13:41:54 < dongs> haha
2016-09-26T13:42:56 < stvn> quite disconcerting considering this is the most expensive piece of software i have ever purchased :P
2016-09-26T13:42:58 < dongs> hewh i downloaded 521a and didnt boher upgrading
2016-09-26T13:43:18 < stvn> yeah its not like your workstation is going to catch fire
2016-09-26T13:43:33 < dongs> samsung desktop
2016-09-26T13:44:25 < dongs> oh, now they have mdkcm 5.21a tho
2016-09-26T13:44:26 < dongs> time to grab that
2016-09-26T13:46:23 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/DearestKaleidoscopicDegus
2016-09-26T13:48:03 < stvn> not shocking
2016-09-26T13:54:06 < stvn> i feel like doing something frivolous, i'll turn on the central heating and throw the remote in the freezer, all for the cat upstairs
2016-09-26T13:56:26 < stvn> dongs, armcc or armclang
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2016-09-26T13:58:09 < IvanL> Hello! I am trying to use the stemwin library and the iconview wiget isn't working i just get a blue rectangle
2016-09-26T13:58:26 < IvanL> Am I doing something wrong or is it a bug?
2016-09-26T13:59:51 < stvn> This library is a professional graphical stack library, enabling the building up of Graphical User Interfaces (GUIs) with any STM32, any LCD/TFT display and any LCD/TFT controller, taking advantage of STM32 hardware accelerations whenever possible.
2016-09-26T14:01:28 < PeterM> stvn, http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1474683990984.webm
2016-09-26T14:02:24 < stvn> not bad peter
2016-09-26T14:05:36 < stvn> those 4 chans should really have a stm32 page
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2016-09-26T14:21:38 < stvn> did Steffann eat tectu
2016-09-26T14:23:57 < IvanL> Or perhamps any goog guides on emwin?
2016-09-26T14:25:39 < dongs> iconview sounds like it would require a fair bit of ram to work
2016-09-26T14:27:27 < IvanL> I should have plenty for it stm32f746disco
2016-09-26T14:33:12 < stvn> fuck man
2016-09-26T14:38:09 < stvn> these strip clubs always have garbage dj gear
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2016-09-26T14:38:51 < karlp> it's almost like people aren't going there to listen to the music much
2016-09-26T14:39:26 < stvn> ;]     
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2016-09-26T14:40:46 < stvn> fuck i just spotted a freescale dsp... this must be shit
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2016-09-26T14:45:23 < stvn> laser can get a focus lock without the millimetre of dust on the lens :)
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2016-09-26T15:02:37 < Ecco> Hey     
2016-09-26T15:03:46 < Ecco> I'm wondering what would be the cheapest way to drive an LED using an STM32 given that my power supply is a single-cell LiPo.
2016-09-26T15:04:12 < emeryth> what kind of LED?
2016-09-26T15:04:16 < stvn> are you back again
2016-09-26T15:04:20 < dongs> 30W     
2016-09-26T15:04:21 < Ecco> (following dongs' advice I'm considering a dedicated chip to drive the white LEDs I need to power up)
2016-09-26T15:04:22 < dongs> white led
2016-09-26T15:04:33 < stvn> 37v forward voltage
2016-09-26T15:04:34 < Ecco> so far I used a 5V boost
2016-09-26T15:04:54 < Ecco> which I also used to drive "standard" LEDs
2016-09-26T15:04:55 < dongs> led drivers are a thing
2016-09-26T15:05:06 < Ecco> but now I have a constant current source, which is very efficient
2016-09-26T15:05:12 < stvn> .     
2016-09-26T15:05:35 < Ecco> problem is, the chip I'm considering only has a single PWM input (makes sense)
2016-09-26T15:05:45 < Ecco> and there are some LEDs which I need to control individually
2016-09-26T15:05:50 < Ecco> Those are just blinking LEDs
2016-09-26T15:05:55 < Ecco> so I really don't care about efficiency
2016-09-26T15:06:20 < Ecco> LCD backlight => powered on all the time => efficient constant-current source
2016-09-26T15:06:49 < Ecco> blinking LEDs => need to be controlled by the STM32, not powered on very often => I'm looking for a cheap solution, even if it wastes current
2016-09-26T15:06:53 < Ecco> I still could use a 5V boost
2016-09-26T15:06:57 < Ecco> but that's an extra IC
2016-09-26T15:07:25 < Ecco> I could try to drive them straight off the LiPo, but the cutoff of the lipo is below the forward voltage of my LEDs
2016-09-26T15:07:35 < Ecco> (3.0 vs 3.5V for the blue LED)
2016-09-26T15:08:22 < dongs> just use a generic boost to >= led vf and stick a resistor on the rest?
2016-09-26T15:08:33 < dongs> dono why youre dicking around with all that shit tho
2016-09-26T15:08:34 < Ecco> Yeah I can do that
2016-09-26T15:08:47 < Ecco> Because I'm a cheap ass :)
2016-09-26T15:08:56 < stvn> pay some chinaman then
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2016-09-26T15:15:37 < stvn> Ecco, what is your fixation with those leds?
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2016-09-26T15:24:34 < Ecco> They're driving me nuts
2016-09-26T15:26:41 < kakimir> use stm32 led boost
2016-09-26T15:26:59 < dongs> you can use stm32 as PWM controller
2016-09-26T15:27:03 < dongs> to make your own boost IC
2016-09-26T15:27:11 < dongs> just add coil, some analog shit, etc.
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2016-09-26T15:51:56 < stvn> Laurenceb__, 
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2016-09-26T16:49:43 < dongs> fucking altidumb
2016-09-26T16:49:51 < dongs> "off-grid blah blah"
2016-09-26T16:49:54 < dongs> everything is perfectly on grid
2016-09-26T16:51:13 < sync> possibly by 1 or 2 nm
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2016-09-26T17:07:42 < dongs> Y1: 260.001
2016-09-26T17:08:39 < aandrew> how the fuck did you get something off grid?
2016-09-26T17:08:48 < dongs> no fucking idea
2016-09-26T17:09:20 < dongs> just sent to IC X/Y
2016-09-26T17:09:25 < dongs> and retyped the exact numbers i saw there
2016-09-26T17:09:27 < dongs> (500,440)
2016-09-26T17:09:30 < aandrew> sch or pcb?
2016-09-26T17:09:31 < dongs> and it became on-grid
2016-09-26T17:09:32 < dongs> sch     
2016-09-26T17:09:53 < aandrew> hm, is the schematic component a little fucky in the lib?
2016-09-26T17:10:13 < aandrew> i.e. the component is on-grid but a pin has some screwy x/y or length
2016-09-26T17:10:23 < dongs> nah i make sure all that shit is same length
2016-09-26T17:10:29 < dongs> and thry'ret all ctrl=shift-D'd
2016-09-26T17:10:30 < aandrew> hm, weird
2016-09-26T17:10:30 < dongs> in teh component
2016-09-26T17:12:59 < dongs> now its just nutty
2016-09-26T17:13:04 < dongs> off-grid ERCs that are actually on grid
2016-09-26T17:13:06 < dongs> piece of shit
2016-09-26T17:13:17 < dongs> all i ahve to do is touch them and it removes the warning
2016-09-26T17:25:27 < Ultrasauce> floating point arithmetic: not even once
2016-09-26T17:26:04 < Rob235> someone set up this fatFs for me
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2016-09-26T17:36:03 < dongs> motherfucker
2016-09-26T17:36:11 < dongs> every bus on this pcb is fucking rotated
2016-09-26T17:36:22 < dongs> 16bits FSMC and 24bit to LCD
2016-09-26T17:36:41 < dongs> all fucking 0123->3210
2016-09-26T17:38:17 < sync> nice
2016-09-26T17:42:05 < aandrew> can you flip it in sw?
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2016-09-26T17:42:47 < Rob235> I run out of ganj and lose all desire to work on the drone....
2016-09-26T17:43:32 < dongs> aandrew: lol no.
2016-09-26T17:44:35 < dongs> it only works if i rotate them around so that pins go under
2016-09-26T17:44:41 < dongs> then they're all "aligned"
2016-09-26T17:45:19 < dongs> gonna g  uess shit was designed for controller to be under LCD or something
2016-09-26T17:45:26 < dongs> and fsmc who knows
2016-09-26T17:45:38 < aandrew> yeah, that is shitty
2016-09-26T17:45:54 < aandrew> I had something similar with a dual MIPI CSI connection
2016-09-26T17:45:58 < aandrew> completely swapped
2016-09-26T17:46:12 < dongs> you took that freecancer job? lol
2016-09-26T17:46:16 < aandrew> no     
2016-09-26T17:46:18 < dongs> lolk
2016-09-26T17:46:21 < aandrew> this is for the toy company
2016-09-26T17:46:30 < aandrew> I have a lot of trouble getting freecancer gigs
2016-09-26T17:46:32 < dongs> o csi, nvm
2016-09-26T17:46:44 < aandrew> spend way too much time writing proposals with zero feedback
2016-09-26T17:48:05 < aandrew> even with two "form letter" type of proposals it takes too much time
2016-09-26T17:48:59 < Rob235> go team america style and turn into a paki
2016-09-26T17:49:21 < dongs> turn into a paki is a valuable suggestion in anywcase
2016-09-26T17:49:32 < Rob235> hah     
2016-09-26T17:50:46 < aandrew> lol     
2016-09-26T17:51:14 < aandrew> just gotta start saying "oh you want me to design 'electronic device'? sure! $250, done in a week."
2016-09-26T17:52:04 < Rickta59> why don't you just rebid and get someone else to do the work and say $100
2016-09-26T17:52:35 < aandrew> nah     
2016-09-26T17:52:52 < Rob235> maybe do some cheapos to get your numbers up
2016-09-26T17:52:54 < aandrew> then it's me who has to try to manage some offshore contractor with no language skills
2016-09-26T17:53:03 < aandrew> yeah I did one, it worked well
2016-09-26T17:53:09 < Rickta59> i actually tried one of those sites to see if i coudl get anything done
2016-09-26T17:53:09 < aandrew> just trying to chase the next, it's a pain
2016-09-26T17:53:19 < Rickta59> i put a bid out there for something i had thought about building
2016-09-26T17:53:23 < Rob235> do a couple freebies
2016-09-26T17:53:34 < Rob235> not free but close
2016-09-26T17:53:58 < Rob235> I never tried that site but figure you gotta get your numbers up if you want to be chosen
2016-09-26T17:53:59 < Rickta59> got many bids .. paid some guy in india? I forget .. he delivered "something" and it didn't really work
2016-09-26T17:54:09 < Rickta59> but i think i spent $200
2016-09-26T17:54:47 < Rickta59> but the whole thing convinced me that it is a scam for both the bidders and the ones who win the bids
2016-09-26T18:02:47 < Rob235> I hope this superglue will come off, what was ai thinking
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2016-09-26T18:14:20 < Rob235> come on Chan learn english
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2016-09-26T18:17:45 < Rob235> anyone use FatFs before? what's the correct way to set it up? diskio.c/h do you actually include those in your project?
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2016-09-26T18:32:52 < Rob235> I'm confused what to do with those.  do I even need those files or is that just an example? I mean the .h file has some important things
2016-09-26T18:33:13 < Rob235> do I just edit diskio.c to make the functions call my own version of those functions?
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2016-09-26T18:52:24 < Rob235> screw you all, I'm editing the FatFs shit directly, its garbage anyway
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2016-09-26T18:56:52 < Steffann> Lolyou rob235
2016-09-26T18:57:03 < Rob235> :)     
2016-09-26T18:57:34 < Steffann> But to answer you question: no i havent. I used chibios
2016-09-26T18:58:02 < Steffann> Which comes with functional bindings
2016-09-26T18:58:25 < Rob235> ahh     
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2016-09-26T19:06:18 < Rob235> MIPI LONGSTOCKING
2016-09-26T19:06:18 < Laurenceb__> wuwut
2016-09-26T19:06:29 < Laurenceb__> FatFS still not working?!
2016-09-26T19:06:33 < Laurenceb__> why so hard
2016-09-26T19:06:39 < Rob235> nah its fine
2016-09-26T19:06:45 < Rob235> working on it now, I just wanted to know the right way to set it up
2016-09-26T19:06:45 < Laurenceb__> cool
2016-09-26T19:06:53 < Rob235> so I may not be doing it right
2016-09-26T19:06:54 < Laurenceb__> heh, "nobody knows"
2016-09-26T19:07:09 < Laurenceb__> I just deleted diskio.c
2016-09-26T19:07:14 < Rob235> oh ok
2016-09-26T19:07:27 < Laurenceb__> its overcomplex overkill imo
2016-09-26T19:07:47 < Laurenceb__> the font shit was the only thing that confused me
2016-09-26T19:08:03 < Rob235> agreed, I was just in the middle of changing it so that everything but MMC is returned as doesn't exist and all mmc stuff just calls my own functions
2016-09-26T19:08:06 < Laurenceb__> but that was just a case of working out the right config to get a sane code size
2016-09-26T19:08:38 < Rob235> instead of getting rid of the file but maybe I should just get rid of it
2016-09-26T19:08:48 < Laurenceb__> as long as you don't want to run on avr its all cool
2016-09-26T19:09:01 < Laurenceb__> that'd be a silly project
2016-09-26T19:09:24 < Laurenceb__> but apparently it's been done
2016-09-26T19:09:47 < Rob235> alright well back to work, lets see what happens
2016-09-26T19:10:11 < Steffann> Still AVR > PIC, Laurenceb__
2016-09-26T19:10:15 < Laurenceb__> yup     
2016-09-26T19:10:18 < Rob235> never used either
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2016-09-26T19:10:27 < Laurenceb__> I tried to run FatFS on atmega168, and failed
2016-09-26T19:10:38 < Laurenceb__> others are welcome to try :P
2016-09-26T19:11:11 < Laurenceb__> but you could just use a decent µC  :D
2016-09-26T19:11:48 < Steffanx> but in this case i might have been the user. not the uc.
2016-09-26T19:11:54 < Steffanx> *it     
2016-09-26T19:11:56 < Rob235> how many times can it say reslut in this file too
2016-09-26T19:12:14 < Laurenceb__> reslut?!
2016-09-26T19:12:21 < Laurenceb__> slutOS ?
2016-09-26T19:12:24 < Rob235> every case of result says reslut
2016-09-26T19:12:35 < Laurenceb__> lulz I never spotted
2016-09-26T19:12:52 < Rob235> / translate the reslut code here
2016-09-26T19:13:09 < Laurenceb__> Steffanx: in theory its possible but you have like 100bytes of free ram
2016-09-26T19:13:39 < Laurenceb__> it was unusable when I tried, maybe some of the micro fatfs or whatever its called would fix it
2016-09-26T19:19:12 < karlp> heh, slide deck of 67 slides.  11 slides are "my background and why I'm l33t"
2016-09-26T19:19:59  * Laurenceb__ buys his popcorn in preparation on the trumpening
2016-09-26T19:21:29 < Steffanx> defcon karlp?
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2016-09-26T19:26:09 < Steffanx> lol its indeed bad that no one ever fixed that Rob235. or its on purpose.
2016-09-26T19:26:17 < Rob235> heh     
2016-09-26T19:28:00 < karlp> Steffanx: yeah defcon
2016-09-26T19:28:19 < Steffanx> what changed R2COM?
2016-09-26T19:29:46 < Rob235> ok so basic c question.  in diskio.c, what is the best way to call my own functions from another library?
2016-09-26T19:30:06 < Rob235> set virtual function pointers in the beginning?
2016-09-26T19:31:28 < Rob235> or is that where extern or something comes in? does C have extern? :P
2016-09-26T19:31:32 < Rob235> damn basics
2016-09-26T19:31:41 < Steffanx> c has extern.
2016-09-26T19:31:49 < Rob235> is that even what I want?
2016-09-26T19:35:11 < Laurenceb__> hi R2COM
2016-09-26T19:35:21  * Laurenceb__ is checking his Tump countdown clock
2016-09-26T19:38:03 < Laurenceb__> Rob235: you can do that just by including header
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2016-09-26T19:38:51 < Rob235> then they would include themselves
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2016-09-26T19:52:05 < Rob235> extern seemed to fix my problem
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2016-09-26T19:59:13 < jadew> http://typing-speed-test.aoeu.eu/
2016-09-26T20:01:12 < jadew> I can't seem to beat 74 wpm right now, but my hands are freezing
2016-09-26T20:01:59 < jadew> I saw someon in the "most recent score" doing 124
2016-09-26T20:02:18 < jadew> someone
2016-09-26T20:03:48 < Rob235> most I've gotten on a test without crazy punctuation or numbers was 103 wpm
2016-09-26T20:04:18 < jadew> 77 now, I bet that if I warm up the room I can do 90
2016-09-26T20:05:02 < jadew> it differs by test, because the words used matter a lot
2016-09-26T20:05:45 < Steffanx> Yeah, especially when your in a flow and you suddenly have to type "don't"
2016-09-26T20:05:47 < jadew> I think I can hit 120 if I write from my own head
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2016-09-26T20:06:06 < jadew> I made a little thing that counted that a while ago
2016-09-26T20:06:21 < Steffanx> but is it that cold in romania jadew?
2016-09-26T20:06:25 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah, apparently this test makes a point from not using punctuation
2016-09-26T20:06:27 < karlp> typing speed from your own head isn't very interesting though.  it's not an applicable skill 
2016-09-26T20:06:34 < Rob235> 392/78  
2016-09-26T20:06:38 < Rob235> for first time
2016-09-26T20:06:38 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah, it's kinda cold these days
2016-09-26T20:06:40 < Rob235> gotta warm up
2016-09-26T20:06:41 < karlp> it's like thinking wpm is relevent for programming like aretoo 
2016-09-26T20:07:13 < Steffanx> here in dutchland we just had the warmest 25th of september ever measure. With like 23C.
2016-09-26T20:07:16 < jadew> karlp, well, aren't we writing from our heads all the time?
2016-09-26T20:07:26 < jadew> I guess it's not relevant for jobs which care about wpm tho :)
2016-09-26T20:07:50 < Steffanx> *measured
2016-09-26T20:07:52 < Rob235> R2COM: 352/70 is your top score?
2016-09-26T20:08:06 < jadew> Steffanx, it's 13 C now
2016-09-26T20:08:17 < jadew> feels worse inside the house, for some strange reason
2016-09-26T20:08:21 < Steffanx> Oh, the freezing point is lower in romania :P
2016-09-26T20:08:25 < Steffanx> *higher
2016-09-26T20:08:27 < jadew> haha, yeah
2016-09-26T20:08:44 < Rob235> R2COM do you correct your words?
2016-09-26T20:09:07 < Steffanx> in europe we write C and vhdl.
2016-09-26T20:09:27 < Steffanx> but i like hte idea R2COM, i wonder why it doesnt exist yet.
2016-09-26T20:09:51 < karlp> jadew: sure, but you're not writing continusouly at some wpm rate from your own head.
2016-09-26T20:09:53 < jadew> yeah, that's not bad
2016-09-26T20:09:59 < Steffanx> you  do have to rest you thumbs somewhere else, that might something to get used to,
2016-09-26T20:10:02 < karlp> wpm is useful for people transcribing things, where it's sustained.
2016-09-26T20:10:26 < karlp> if typing speed is your limiting factor coding or getting your novel from your head to the paper, there's different problems at work
2016-09-26T20:10:48 < Steffanx> You dont know that karlp. Maybe jadew has an excellent fantasy and can write an entire book in one day.
2016-09-26T20:10:58 < Rob235> still fun to test speeds, doesn't matter if its relevant or not :)
2016-09-26T20:10:59 < karlp> if he could, he wouldn't be sitting here.
2016-09-26T20:11:07 < karlp> Rob235: oh totally, not discounting that at all :)
2016-09-26T20:11:13 < jadew> yeah, you don't want to go to bed when you still have awesome ideas in your head
2016-09-26T20:11:16 < zyp> I'm not a super fast typer, but I've never really felt that's the bottleneck
2016-09-26T20:11:27 < Rob235> second run I just got: 428 / 86
2016-09-26T20:11:45 < Steffanx> Better get our dicks out and show who has the largest.
2016-09-26T20:11:48 < Steffanx> *see
2016-09-26T20:11:59 < zyp> I should try the test, but I bet the score will be disappointing :p
2016-09-26T20:12:18 < Rob235> zyp: who cares, its fun anyway
2016-09-26T20:12:25 < jadew> I'm disappointed too, I thought I'd score past 100
2016-09-26T20:12:38 < jadew> I'm warming my hands tho :P
2016-09-26T20:12:52 < Rob235> jadew: I thought I was going to as well
2016-09-26T20:12:59 < Rob235> I'm warming up though, did a lot better my second run
2016-09-26T20:13:30 < Rob235> do you correct typos?
2016-09-26T20:13:31 < zyp> 349/70
2016-09-26T20:13:35 < jadew> I do
2016-09-26T20:13:38 < Rob235> not bad zyp
2016-09-26T20:13:42 < Rob235> jadew: me too
2016-09-26T20:13:45 < Steffanx> Your score: 0 CPM (that is 0 WPM) beat that.
2016-09-26T20:13:46 < zyp> I corrected all my typos
2016-09-26T20:14:22 < Rob235> alright, going for test 3
2016-09-26T20:14:34 < Steffanx> In reality, you typed 863 CPM, but you made 229 mistakes (out of 229 words), which were not counted in the corrected scores.
2016-09-26T20:14:35 < Steffanx> hah     
2016-09-26T20:15:44 < jadew> lol     
2016-09-26T20:16:26 < Rob235> ouch did worse
2016-09-26T20:16:33 < zyp> 378/76 in second run
2016-09-26T20:16:38 < Rob235> 417 / 83
2016-09-26T20:16:42 < zyp> «In reality, you typed 392 CPM, but you made 3 mistakes (out of 74 words), which were not counted in the corrected scores.
2016-09-26T20:16:45 < zyp> »     
2016-09-26T20:16:59 < Steffanx> Breivik ^^ :P
2016-09-26T20:17:16 < Rob235> that was sloopy :)
2016-09-26T20:17:19 < zyp> those are pretty standard in norwegian
2016-09-26T20:17:31 < jadew> I think it would be better if they used actual sentences
2016-09-26T20:17:35 < zyp> I think norwegian msword replaces "" with «» automatically
2016-09-26T20:17:42 < Steffanx> wut? Why
2016-09-26T20:17:43 < Rob235> jadew agreed
2016-09-26T20:17:44 < jadew> I hit a wall for every word
2016-09-26T20:17:51 < Rob235> it doesn't flow
2016-09-26T20:17:54 < jadew> yep     
2016-09-26T20:18:01 < karlp> you're not thinking like a typist.
2016-09-26T20:18:13 < Rob235> let me find that one I got a 103 on
2016-09-26T20:18:16 < karlp> you're meant to care what it says :) just type the chars :)
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2016-09-26T20:18:33 < jadew> heh, I guess that's true
2016-09-26T20:18:48 < jadew> I managed to get into that state of mind for a bit and it was easier to type
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2016-09-26T20:19:39 < Steffanx> Who is typing anyway? ctrl+c ctrl+v is what we do.
2016-09-26T20:20:01 < jadew> hehe
2016-09-26T20:20:43 < Rob235> typingtest.com has passages from books that it tests you on
2016-09-26T20:21:13 < Steffanx> ac6?
2016-09-26T20:27:00 < Rob235> I rechecked all my pins last night.  turns out I can almost fit all of them on one side of the disco board
2016-09-26T20:27:15 < Rob235> lots of room for more fun :)
2016-09-26T20:28:43 < Steffanx> Like flying the thing? 
2016-09-26T20:28:47 < Steffanx> Sorry, someone had to say it.
2016-09-26T20:28:56 < jadew> Rob235, 482/85
2016-09-26T20:28:57 < Rob235> :) it does fly! just not very well yet
2016-09-26T20:29:13 < jadew> but I had to read that story a couple of times
2016-09-26T20:29:15 < Rob235> whats the first number?
2016-09-26T20:29:20 < Steffanx> video?
2016-09-26T20:29:21 < jadew> characters
2016-09-26T20:29:40 < Rob235> oh, I didn't try that other test, my best from the first one is: 428 / 86
2016-09-26T20:29:54 < Steffanx> Try to take a dutch story. I tried some dutch one and i totally failed. Weird words/names and all kind of ('s and -'
2016-09-26T20:29:54 < Steffanx> s     
2016-09-26T20:30:38 < Rob235> I also took half a valium so I'm not expecting my top scores right now
2016-09-26T20:31:00 < Steffanx> You can't do without drugs/crap can you?
2016-09-26T20:31:15 < Rob235> anxiety issues
2016-09-26T20:31:21 < Steffanx> :S     
2016-09-26T20:31:29 < jadew> I seem to be doing ~47 in Deutsch
2016-09-26T20:31:30 < Steffanx> Are we that harsh on you?
2016-09-26T20:31:44 < Steffanx> better go Nederlands, jadew
2016-09-26T20:31:46 < Rob235> heh, nah, been a problem since I was a little kid
2016-09-26T20:32:21 < Steffanx> And that even happens to you when you are home alone in front of your pc?
2016-09-26T20:32:29 < Steffanx> or is the home alone the issue
2016-09-26T20:32:41 < jadew> Steffanx, it's equally weird to me, I don't speak either
2016-09-26T20:32:49 < Rob235> I prefer to smoke because it's non addictive, but I ran out yesterday so I'm taking little bits of benzos now
2016-09-26T20:33:05 < jadew> that's what I was going to ask, how can you get anxiety issues from being alone?
2016-09-26T20:33:07 < Steffanx> smoke non-addictive wut?
2016-09-26T20:33:14 < Rob235> generalized anxiety, social anxiety, you name it, I just can't calm my brain down
2016-09-26T20:33:26 < jadew> so don't go out
2016-09-26T20:34:04 < Rob235> heh fuck that, I can go out, it's just uncomfortable. so I take a hit or a light benzo before I go out to relax
2016-09-26T20:34:07 < jadew> I get anxiety from work related stress usually, but I don't a give a crap about anyone so I'm very chillax in social situations
2016-09-26T20:34:09 < Steffanx> maybe by some doing some mpjeg stuff
2016-09-26T20:34:19 < Rob235> or even trying to focus on things even if I'm alone
2016-09-26T20:35:09 < karlp> lurn 2 reed commie
2016-09-26T20:35:27 < Rob235> I mask my anxiety which i've learned over decades but its tough 
2016-09-26T20:35:47 < Rob235> and then get ripped on for being a druggie :)
2016-09-26T20:36:03 < Steffanx> haha Rob235 :P
2016-09-26T20:36:09 < Steffanx> vaper and druggie ;)
2016-09-26T20:36:44 < karlp> Rob235: it's because given your prior art as a vaper, saying you were taking valiums was assumed to be recreational rather than therapeutic :)
2016-09-26T20:36:50 < Rob235> I never planned on going into it and if you guys dont give a shit then just tell me to shut up but its been bad enough that was a junkie for a while.  thats why I'm 32 and just now trying to finish school
2016-09-26T20:37:21 < jadew> which school?
2016-09-26T20:37:30 < jadew> highschool?
2016-09-26T20:37:36 < Steffanx> oh, i thought you were much younger Rob235.
2016-09-26T20:37:37 < jadew> (that would be sweet!)
2016-09-26T20:37:38 < Rob235> college
2016-09-26T20:37:42 < jadew> hehe
2016-09-26T20:37:47 < jadew> well, I haven't finished college either
2016-09-26T20:38:09 < Rob235> I went to rutgers university for like 6 years before I finally couldn't do it anymore (never went to call because of anxiety)
2016-09-26T20:38:13 < jadew> I decided that I'll go back to college next year, if all my business ventures fail
2016-09-26T20:38:19 < Rob235> stopped with like 6-7 courses left
2016-09-26T20:38:39 < Rob235> years passed and now I'm trying to finish up with thomas edison state university (online univ)
2016-09-26T20:38:40 < Steffanx> Drop outs.. remind be of this "genius" in #avr in the good old times
2016-09-26T20:38:56 < Rob235> 3 courses to go
2016-09-26T20:39:06 < Steffanx> the guy was convinced he was a genius and was convinced he could rewrite the avr-libc and make it 1000 times faster/smaller
2016-09-26T20:39:09 < Rob235> I don't know if it will be helpful since its an online univ
2016-09-26T20:39:36 < Steffanx> You have no job atm Rob235?
2016-09-26T20:39:54 < Steffanx> ( not sure how that works in the usland)
2016-09-26T20:40:09 < Steffanx> that = not having a job and .. how one gets monny.
2016-09-26T20:40:10 < Steffanx> money
2016-09-26T20:40:12 < Rob235> I'm on leave of absense from my part time job and have been for too long.  got a bit overwhelmed
2016-09-26T20:40:56 < Rob235> my grandparents and parents passed away (father 10 years ago) but the rest recently and so I inherited some money which has just now run out 
2016-09-26T20:41:08 < Rob235> paid off all my student loans and everything, debt free
2016-09-26T20:41:39 < Rob235> and lived for 2 years off it
2016-09-26T20:42:01 < Rob235> had part time job for one of those years
2016-09-26T20:42:13 < Rob235> so anyway... hah
2016-09-26T20:42:26 < Steffanx> Such personal talk in ##stm32, damn.
2016-09-26T20:42:44 < Rob235> yea Im' waiting on the trolling
2016-09-26T20:42:45 < jadew> Rob235, why don't you get a full time job?
2016-09-26T20:42:55 < Rob235> mental health reasons
2016-09-26T20:42:58 < Steffanx> I know when not to do that Rob235.
2016-09-26T20:43:05 < Rob235> its embarassing and sucks to talk about
2016-09-26T20:43:41 < jadew> just become an asshole, it hides all the shortcomings
2016-09-26T20:43:54 < aandrew> it sounds like you should have spent some of those 2y working to manage the issues so that you would not get stuck after the money ran out. Maybe you have bene though, I don't know
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2016-09-26T20:44:58 < aandrew> my best friend is on permanent disability. I say this as his friend... he needs to stop whining and put some effort into life. He's very smart and yes, he has some neurons shorted/miswired, but nothing that would have prevented him from taking some baby steps toward a more normal adulthood
2016-09-26T20:45:08 < Rob235> I have been trying, it took a while but I started seeing a therapist and psychologist 
2016-09-26T20:45:20 < aandrew> Rob235: good. I can't imagine that is easy
2016-09-26T20:46:04 < aandrew> any time I've ever tried to make use of counsellors it's been a bit of a disaster. it takes many, many sessions to build up that familiarity that would allow you to be comfortable, at which point the funds run out and you either pay out of pocket or stop going, not having actually addressed anyhthing
2016-09-26T20:46:32 < Rob235> since I'm poor from not working I get my sessions free
2016-09-26T20:46:38 < Rob235> thank you obamacare
2016-09-26T20:46:57 < Steffanx> lol.
2016-09-26T20:47:38 < Rob235> theres the bitch, I spend my money on drugs which is what people are against when I should be spending it on doctors, but its the drugs that actually provide some relief
2016-09-26T20:49:25 < Rob235> I also have IBS which is partly due to the anxiety (I'm guessing)  my stomach just always is either in pain or I feel sick, so opiates cure that but suck in the long run
2016-09-26T20:49:46 < Rob235> haha anyway, my bad guys, i'll stop talking 
2016-09-26T20:49:55 < Rob235> change of subject needed
2016-09-26T20:50:03 < aandrew> opiates are bad news bears
2016-09-26T20:50:14 < Rob235> yea ive learned that a few times
2016-09-26T20:50:53 < Laurenceb__>  ##drugz
2016-09-26T20:51:02 < Rob235> sorry I'm done
2016-09-26T20:51:03 < aandrew> that's what did my friend in. he's thankfully off them now but it was a long, long road
2016-09-26T20:51:34 < Rob235> I was on opiates, pills then dope for 5+ years
2016-09-26T20:51:36 < aandrew> dude was buying huge bottles of AC&Cs and filtering shit and washing shit to freebase the codeine out of it
2016-09-26T20:51:54 < Rob235> AC&C? where are you from?
2016-09-26T20:51:59 < aandrew> Canada
2016-09-26T20:52:00 < Steffanx> Im sorry for you too Rob235.
2016-09-26T20:52:08 < Rob235> ahh     
2016-09-26T20:53:38 < Rob235> people just don't know how to handle mental health issues and with the US healthcare system I didn't have much hope .its cool though, working on it and gettin better year after year
2016-09-26T20:54:35 < jadew> given it's all a mental helth issue and that it seems to consume all your finances, wouldn't it be possible to just ignore it, in order to save money?
2016-09-26T20:55:07 < jadew> just know it's some crap that's not actually real and that you can spin it in such a way that it doesn't interfere with your life
2016-09-26T20:55:07 < Rob235> ignore what
2016-09-26T20:55:21 < Rob235> oh     
2016-09-26T20:55:23 < Rob235> typical response
2016-09-26T20:55:23 < jadew> the issues you're having
2016-09-26T20:55:50 < Steffanx> That will work until it blows up in your face jadew.
2016-09-26T20:56:20 < jadew> Steffanx, don't know, I've been dealing with a lot of stuff in this way, you have to realize what it actually is
2016-09-26T20:56:24 < jadew> and what it isn't
2016-09-26T20:56:31 < Rob235> I don't think I'm a dumb person.  I know it's an irrational stupid problem to have that doesn't make any sense.  if you knew how the brain worked you would understand better
2016-09-26T20:56:38 < jadew> if you can't fix it, try to morph it into something else
2016-09-26T20:56:48 < Steffanx> Russians.
2016-09-26T20:57:16 < Rob235> Over the past say 20 years I've solidified these horrible anxiety ridden pathways in my brain so that I always react in this poor way
2016-09-26T20:57:17 < aandrew> jadew: depends on what the issues are specifically
2016-09-26T20:57:19 < jadew> lol R2COM
2016-09-26T20:57:30 < Rob235> I need years of Cognitive behavioral therapy to reverse that
2016-09-26T20:57:40 < jadew> Rob235, I realize that, but focusing on them won't make them go away
2016-09-26T20:57:46 < aandrew> I think the easiest way to compare it is to something like burnout. You're perfectly healthy but your brain is just *done* and you can't concentrate
2016-09-26T20:57:47 < jadew> that's exactly what you have to do in this case, let go
2016-09-26T20:58:13 < Rob235> R2COM: who me?
2016-09-26T20:58:13 < aandrew> I have tinitus and vertigo. You can't ignore the vertigo and most days you can ignore the tinitus but there are some days when it's all-encompassing and all you can focus on is the fucking sound in your hear that you cannot get rid of
2016-09-26T20:59:07 < Rob235> jadew: I guess you are right if you are considering letting go the same as like CBT, learning over time to let go, its not an all at once thing though
2016-09-26T20:59:15 < aandrew> having or not having a gun doesn't help me get my work done, whcih is kind of my point. jadew's suggesting to just ignore it. sometimes you can't
2016-09-26T21:00:01 < Steffanx> You are surely one of them.
2016-09-26T21:00:03 < Rob235> R2COM: its comments like that and stuff that makes me not want to respond to you, we are talking about me mostly I guess but I don't think you are mature enough yet to have this convo
2016-09-26T21:00:06 < aandrew> R2COM: we're the home of dongs and other trolls, what did you expect?
2016-09-26T21:00:09 < Laurenceb__> lul codine
2016-09-26T21:00:16 < Laurenceb__> my dad is addicted to that stuff
2016-09-26T21:00:19 < aandrew> Rob235: he's just trolling, /ignore and be done
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2016-09-26T21:00:53 < Rob235> quite****
2016-09-26T21:00:58 < Rob235> why cant people get that right
2016-09-26T21:01:00 < Laurenceb__> you can buy it easily in Mexico
2016-09-26T21:01:26 < Rob235> ok anyway
2016-09-26T21:01:27 < Rob235> :)     
2016-09-26T21:01:51 < Steffanx> lol Laurenceb__ is the son of a druggie?
2016-09-26T21:02:02 < Steffanx> mother was a crack head?
2016-09-26T21:02:05 < Laurenceb__> I'm the only non druggie in my family :/
2016-09-26T21:02:19 < Laurenceb__> family of addicts and dealerz
2016-09-26T21:02:26 < Rob235> so my gf is the only one working right now and we are thinking of moving in with her parents for a while until I can stabilize/get a job
2016-09-26T21:02:38 < Steffanx> I dont have issues. Some people turn out to have some mental issues R2COM. That's all.
2016-09-26T21:02:46 < aandrew> I bet that helps with the relationship with the inlaws
2016-09-26T21:02:47 < Rob235> I paid off all my bills for the next 2 months including rent and my car insurance for 4 months
2016-09-26T21:02:49 < aandrew> ugh     
2016-09-26T21:03:13 < Laurenceb__> but you are murican
2016-09-26T21:03:17 < Laurenceb__> so live in traile rpark
2016-09-26T21:03:40 < Rob235> we have lived there in the past when I wasn't doing well and I think we have fully repaired our relationship now.  I think it will be ok
2016-09-26T21:03:44 < Rob235> just gotta get used to new rules
2016-09-26T21:03:49 < Rob235> like wearing clothes :(
2016-09-26T21:03:56 < aandrew> lol     
2016-09-26T21:04:13 < Steffanx> Better don't do drugs anymore then when you live there Rob235. If something messes with relationships it's that for sure.
2016-09-26T21:04:15 < Laurenceb__> no swinging
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2016-09-26T21:04:55 < Rob235> no I wont. I just ran out of the last of my supply and wasn't going to buy more.. but now my gf is saying she might want to get more hah so its gonna be up to her
2016-09-26T21:05:05 < Steffanx> on drugs.. on drugs. When you use weed occasionally is that "on drugs"?
2016-09-26T21:05:06 < Rob235> (thats just weed though)
2016-09-26T21:05:32 < Rob235> I don't drink alcohol, or haven't in months
2016-09-26T21:05:40 < Rob235> thats a terrible combo
2016-09-26T21:05:44 < Laurenceb__> all drugs are illegal in UK now
2016-09-26T21:05:48 < Steffanx> You as a Russian dont do alcohol?
2016-09-26T21:05:59 < Rob235> me russian?
2016-09-26T21:05:59 < Laurenceb__> apart from those specifically allowed
2016-09-26T21:06:06 < Steffanx> No R2COM, Rob235
2016-09-26T21:06:06 < Rob235> oh r2
2016-09-26T21:06:07 < Laurenceb__> dunno how this is possibly going to work
2016-09-26T21:06:14 < Rob235> I didn't know r2 was russian
2016-09-26T21:06:25 < Steffanx> Yes, he imported himself into the US.
2016-09-26T21:06:49 < Rob235> r2com: arent you black?
2016-09-26T21:06:59 < Steffanx> I wouldn't know R2COM. I never tried.
2016-09-26T21:07:24 < Laurenceb__> lul this subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/
2016-09-26T21:07:32 < jadew> ah ha, you're russian, R2COM?
2016-09-26T21:07:35 < Steffanx> I do know im going for some of that other "drug" .. aka caffine.
2016-09-26T21:07:49 < Rob235> I thought R2COM was black, are there black russians? :P
2016-09-26T21:07:59 < Steffanx> lol no. ive never seen one.
2016-09-26T21:08:01 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/PEbnvM.jpg
2016-09-26T21:08:09 < Laurenceb__> thought the traffic sign was a minigun
2016-09-26T21:08:24 < Steffanx> http://www.cocktailsspiritsliquors.com/cocktail/44/black-russian that is a black russian Rob235
2016-09-26T21:09:06 < Rob235> R2COM: most drug addicts just suffer from mental illness and we don't know how to deal with it.  the drugs can cause them to do scummy things but you need to think about what you're saying
2016-09-26T21:09:12 < Rob235> trolly
2016-09-26T21:09:20 < jadew> I had a g/f who was > 25% russian
2016-09-26T21:09:31 < jadew> very hot, silky skin, big boobs
2016-09-26T21:09:38 < Rob235> if you drank her blood did you get drunk?
2016-09-26T21:09:48 < jadew> didn't try it
2016-09-26T21:09:52 < Rob235> shame
2016-09-26T21:10:09 < Rob235> I just don't seem to have a filter today
2016-09-26T21:10:12 < jadew> I met up with her a couple of years after we broke up, she was pregnant and super fat
2016-09-26T21:10:39 < jadew> it completely threw me off ballance, I could barely find my words because how fat she was
2016-09-26T21:10:53 < jadew> like... crazy transformation
2016-09-26T21:11:21 < Rob235> just from the pregnancy or just got fat in general too
2016-09-26T21:11:29 < jadew> how would I know?
2016-09-26T21:11:46 < jadew> last time I saw her she was skinny, then she was like a baloon
2016-09-26T21:11:48 < Steffanx> "Hey whyy so fat you fatty?"
2016-09-26T21:12:06 < Rob235> see, Steffanx knows how to find out
2016-09-26T21:12:09 < Rob235> :)     
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2016-09-26T21:12:50 < jadew> I wanted to look at her husband and be like "LOL!"
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2016-09-26T21:13:25 < jadew> I could barely contain myself when I was thinking about the poor guy (he was with her when we met)
2016-09-26T21:14:35 < Laurenceb__> maybe he had a fetish
2016-09-26T21:15:12 < jadew> nah, I think he was as surprised as I was
2016-09-26T21:15:46 < Laurenceb__> oh wow https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/780275236922994688/photo/1
2016-09-26T21:15:48 < Steffanx> Tell me jadew. Are Romanians cheap arses of are they really the share type?
2016-09-26T21:16:12 < jadew> Steffanx, depends on what you're talking about
2016-09-26T21:16:16 < Steffanx> Some Romanians at the uni i was too shared their coffee. 
2016-09-26T21:16:44 < Steffanx> like one shares a bottle of some random alcoholic drink.
2016-09-26T21:16:58 < jadew> yeah, they do that, I don't know why, it makes me sick
2016-09-26T21:17:17 < jadew> I'd rather suffer through thirst than drink after someone else
2016-09-26T21:18:33 < jadew> Laurenceb__, now repost that and say EM Drive instead of SpaceX
2016-09-26T21:18:44 < Laurenceb__> lul     
2016-09-26T21:19:26 < Steffanx> reminds me of that airship Laurenceb__ is going to build. EM Drive driven.
2016-09-26T21:20:31 < jadew> 5 Watt, EM-Drive engine test: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtQYMI4VIAAJY2N.jpg
2016-09-26T21:21:37 < jadew> "Powered by 2 AA batteries."
2016-09-26T21:21:40 < gxti> naw. that's at least 6 watts
2016-09-26T21:21:45 < gxti> maybe 6.5
2016-09-26T21:23:28 < aandrew> any .ro I've ever been with have always been very generous with their alcohol
2016-09-26T21:23:37 < aandrew> which is dangerous, because palinca is fucking rocket fuel
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2016-09-26T21:30:09 < Rob235> alright, so I got my errors down to just variables not being set or used.  time to start implementing disk_write/read/init
2016-09-26T21:37:28 < Rob235> I wish I was better skilled in the art of understanding other peoples code that isn't descriptively commented
2016-09-26T21:38:10 < Rob235> oh i get it
2016-09-26T21:42:34 < Rob235> can someone 3d print a small tv remote type case and send it to me
2016-09-26T21:44:44 < Rob235> that wasn't a serious request.  My real request is for a 3d printer, it can be one of those $350 DIY kits
2016-09-26T21:45:43 < LeelooMinai> Meh:)
2016-09-26T21:46:09 < LeelooMinai> 3D printed parts look pretty crappy imo
2016-09-26T21:49:08 < Steffanx> shapeways does a nice job, but you pay for it.
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2016-09-26T21:58:33 < jadew> is it worth it to get a 3d printer?
2016-09-26T22:02:14 < jadew> they seem to be under constant development so unless you're 3d printing 1k worth of stuff for a year, you're probably losing money
2016-09-26T22:02:32 < jadew> since for the same amount you can get a better printer next year 
2016-09-26T22:03:36 < Steffanx> imho home printing is just fugly as hell.
2016-09-26T22:04:24 < jadew> I want a PCB printer
2016-09-26T22:04:34 < jadew> they should work on that instead
2016-09-26T22:05:01 < LeelooMinai> That's why I opted to make small CNC mill instead - machined aluminum looks super-nice in comparison to plasticy stuff that comes out of 3D printers.
2016-09-26T22:05:27 < Steffanx> Agreed.
2016-09-26T22:05:40 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-26T22:05:45 < jadew> but also more expensive
2016-09-26T22:05:53 < jadew> how much do you pay for a brick of aluminum?
2016-09-26T22:06:17 < Steffanx> one micowave oven melts cola cans.
2016-09-26T22:06:52 < LeelooMinai> I guess depends how you source it - there are places where you can get it pretty cheap (but I don't leave the house and don't drive, so I just ordered some from metalsupermarket.com)
2016-09-26T22:08:39 < aandrew> jadew: they have them. they suck.
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2016-09-26T22:08:48 < LeelooMinai> For now I still "machine" parts from alu by hand, but at least they are strong and functional. For example, I made the enclosure recently and all the brackets were done using a table saw with an aluminum cutting blade: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/29276743343
2016-09-26T22:09:11 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: what do you order from metalsupermarkets for milling purposes?
2016-09-26T22:09:37 < aandrew> the flower pot with the dead plant is a nice touch in an engineer's workshop :-)
2016-09-26T22:09:40 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: They have steel, aluminum, different grades, bars, channels, angles, sheets, etc.
2016-09-26T22:09:56 < aandrew> no I know what they have, I'm asking what *you* order when you want to make enclosures/etc.
2016-09-26T22:10:36 < LeelooMinai> But they charge about $6 per cut, so I just ordered as long as possible 6inch by 0.25 inch bar - like 107 inch to make those brackets and have a lot leftover for other projects
2016-09-26T22:11:06 < LeelooMinai> I think it's the limit that UPS can deliver - lol
2016-09-26T22:11:34 < LeelooMinai> The UPS lady looked pretty miserable dragging it from the car:p
2016-09-26T22:11:34 < aandrew> you got those high-collar hex socket cap screws from spaenaur? 
2016-09-26T22:11:45 < aandrew> I love that place, hate their website and walk-in is only marginally better
2016-09-26T22:11:51 < LeelooMinai> I get hardware from KBC tools
2016-09-26T22:12:12 < LeelooMinai> They have a lot of machinist-stuff 
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2016-09-26T22:13:13 < LeelooMinai> And I scored the polycarbonate 4 feet by 8 feet, 0.35 inch thick from kijiji for $100
2016-09-26T22:13:21 < LeelooMinai> 0.25*
2016-09-26T22:13:29 < aandrew> I don't see any hardware on their website, only tools and tool-related things
2016-09-26T22:13:47 < LeelooMinai> I mean hardware like screws, etc.
2016-09-26T22:13:54 < LeelooMinai> It's under fasteners
2016-09-26T22:18:04 < aandrew> ah, I don't know how I missed that
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2016-09-26T22:31:09 < upgrdman> wtf. shit char lcd font has no \ character... they replaced it with the Yen symbol. fucking faggots.
2016-09-26T22:38:46 < jadew> LeelooMinai, how do you deal with the debris?
2016-09-26T22:39:06 < LeelooMinai> vaccum it out?
2016-09-26T22:39:08 < Ultrasauce> i built a mendel and had a bad experience
2016-09-26T22:39:14 < jadew> LeelooMinai, as it gets created?
2016-09-26T22:39:16 < Ultrasauce> lots of time spent tuning in order to get a good result
2016-09-26T22:39:20 < jadew> doesn't it get all over the floor?
2016-09-26T22:39:40 < LeelooMinai> jadew: That's why I built the enclosure...
2016-09-26T22:39:58 < jadew> ah, that's the enclosure you were talking about, I thought that's where you built the enclosure
2016-09-26T22:40:26 < LeelooMinai> I cut the pieces in the basement on a table saw
2016-09-26T22:40:41 < jadew> why did you leave that space in front of it?
2016-09-26T22:41:01 < jadew> ah, the table is a bit recessed
2016-09-26T22:41:03 < LeelooMinai> The table moves - it's a fixed-gantry cnc
2016-09-26T22:41:10 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-26T22:41:31 < jadew> well, does it work?
2016-09-26T22:42:14 < LeelooMinai> It works, but I did not mill any alu yet - wanted to enclose it first
2016-09-26T22:42:36 < jadew> I see
2016-09-26T22:42:48 < LeelooMinai> But it should be more than fine for alu milling
2016-09-26T22:43:06 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: how big is the spindle motor?
2016-09-26T22:43:12 < aandrew> (in watts, not physical dimensions)
2016-09-26T22:44:01 < LeelooMinai> The spindle was a bit of a problem for me - could only use 850 watt Chinese AC spindle, because I just have normal 110V mains in the room.
2016-09-26T22:44:27 < LeelooMinai> So I have 1HP VFD
2016-09-26T22:44:55 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: Why haven't you brought 240V into the room yet??
2016-09-26T22:45:19 < LeelooMinai> Because cost:)
2016-09-26T22:45:47 < Ultrasauce> clearly you're not serious unless you have a 3phase drop in your living room
2016-09-26T22:46:06 < LeelooMinai> Right, I know - and 100A at least:)
2016-09-26T22:46:37 < LeelooMinai> I plan to mill smal alu parts and slowly - I think I will be fine though with that spindle.
2016-09-26T22:46:57 < LeelooMinai> It's not like I need some production setup.
2016-09-26T22:47:23 < LeelooMinai> I will start from some alu + polycarbonate cases for my pcbs probably
2016-09-26T22:47:49 < LeelooMinai> Mill the bases + sides from one piece of aluminum - should be fun.
2016-09-26T22:47:50 < Ultrasauce> yeah i imagine the rigidity of the gantry will become an issue before the spindle power
2016-09-26T22:49:02 < LeelooMinai> Right, though it should be pretty stiff - there are big steel angles there too to make it more rigid.
2016-09-26T22:50:02 < LeelooMinai> You can see one on top a bit, but there's another at the bottom-back edge and at the bottom-front edge.
2016-09-26T22:50:13 < LeelooMinai> 1/4 inch thick steel angle
2016-09-26T22:50:18 < aandrew> I like the use of the t-channel for the "counter" (I've spaced on the correct word)
2016-09-26T22:50:40 < LeelooMinai> table?
2016-09-26T22:50:46 < aandrew> THANK you
2016-09-26T22:50:59 < aandrew> I hate how I lose a perfectly simple word now and again
2016-09-26T22:51:00 < Ultrasauce> the mounty thingy
2016-09-26T22:51:33 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Alzhaimer probably:p
2016-09-26T22:51:44 < aandrew> I sure hope not
2016-09-26T22:51:52 < aandrew> my grandmother on my mom's side had it
2016-09-26T22:52:16 < aandrew> grandmother on dad's side died of breast cancer, her husband died of a massive heart attack
2016-09-26T22:52:26 < aandrew> my mom's dad died of cancer when she was 6
2016-09-26T22:52:31 < LeelooMinai> Right, pretty nasty - it's liek parts of your brain shut down or get mangled
2016-09-26T22:52:37 < aandrew> mom and dad are both pretty healthy, dad turns 67 tomorrow
2016-09-26T22:52:52 < aandrew> has some macular degeneration due to high pressure in the eye but hopefully that's not genetic
2016-09-26T22:53:32 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if they by this time offer some kind of genetic "analysis" for people - to tell them what they are likely to die from...
2016-09-26T22:53:39 < aandrew> actually all of my grandfather's brothers on my dad's side (7 I think) died of heart disease. dad's ticker is in excellent condition so I think I might have been lucky there
2016-09-26T22:54:16 < aandrew> mind you back then they were all heavy smokers (unfiltered too) and drinkers
2016-09-26T22:54:21 < aandrew> didn't eat the healthiest either
2016-09-26T22:54:38 < aandrew> my wife kind of forces me to eat healthier than I would on my own
2016-09-26T22:54:39 < LeelooMinai> Right, so -10 years from the start:)
2016-09-26T22:55:11 < aandrew> they all died late 60s/early 70s, I figure my dad will get to his 80s if his health progresses like it has been
2016-09-26T22:55:35 < aandrew> it's kind of weird thinking about mortality like this. 
2016-09-26T22:56:09 < LeelooMinai> Like what? 
2016-09-26T22:57:00 < karlp> (was a bit busy earlier, but ~74 wpm too here)
2016-09-26T22:57:15 < LeelooMinai> words per minute? :)
2016-09-26T22:58:43 < Steffanx> word per minute.
2016-09-26T22:58:45 < Steffanx> s     
2016-09-26T23:01:29 < Rob235> don't make fun of hawking
2016-09-26T23:02:01 < jadew> Your score: 431 CPM (that is 86 WPM)
2016-09-26T23:02:10 < jadew> that's on the first one
2016-09-26T23:02:26 < jadew> told you I'm gonna get better score with warmer hands
2016-09-26T23:02:28 < LeelooMinai> So, where is this coming from?
2016-09-26T23:02:33 < jadew> http://typing-speed-test.aoeu.eu/
2016-09-26T23:02:53 < LeelooMinai> Damn, I am scared to try it
2016-09-26T23:02:56 < jadew> and there's another one with sentences that make sense
2016-09-26T23:02:57 < LeelooMinai> 10 wpm? :)
2016-09-26T23:04:25 < jadew> this one has proper sentences: http://www.typingtest.com/
2016-09-26T23:06:23 < jadew> just got 82 on that one, but it has all that uppercase weirdness
2016-09-26T23:07:57 < LeelooMinai> Right, I am lame as I though- 58 WPM
2016-09-26T23:08:24 < Rob235> no one beat 86 yet?
2016-09-26T23:08:29 < jadew> I got 86
2016-09-26T23:08:33 < Rob235> oh you tied
2016-09-26T23:08:34 < Steffanx> You. Can. Practice. By. Using. Uppercase. And. Punctuation. On. IRC, jadew
2016-09-26T23:08:44 < LeelooMinai> Very uneven - I have pauses, then bursts where I probably go super-fast, but then pause, etx.:/
2016-09-26T23:08:47 < jadew> haha Steffanx
2016-09-26T23:08:58 < Steffanx> See, LeelooMinai does that very well.
2016-09-26T23:08:59 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, same here
2016-09-26T23:09:28 < Steffanx> but I think that is some Canadian disease. Many of those Canadians use too correct English.
2016-09-26T23:09:35 < jadew> Steffanx, I don't know where you got the idea that I don't use punctuation.
2016-09-26T23:09:39 < jadew> I always did.
2016-09-26T23:09:58 < Steffanx> Excellent.
2016-09-26T23:10:22 < LeelooMinai> Well, punctuation can be useful, sometimes...
2016-09-26T23:10:54 < LeelooMinai> To convey the meaning better? :)
2016-09-26T23:11:05 < Steffanx> Who knows?
2016-09-26T23:11:23 < jadew> I recently decided to end all comments with a dot
2016-09-26T23:11:32 < Steffanx> .     
2016-09-26T23:11:58 < Steffanx> . You can also start sentences with a dot to end the previous one with a dot
2016-09-26T23:11:59 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Technically you should use dot only if you have a proper sentence.
2016-09-26T23:12:12 < LeelooMinai> I mean inside code comments, etc.
2016-09-26T23:12:13 < jadew> I figured that it hurts more to see some lines with two sentences having dots and others with only one sentennce and no dots, than to have short comments with a dot
2016-09-26T23:12:37 < zyp> Steffanx, when you write C, do you start every line with ; to make sure the previous one is terminated?
2016-09-26T23:12:39 < jadew> I always have proper sentences, what else do you put inside comments? :)
2016-09-26T23:12:54 < zyp> // WTF?
2016-09-26T23:12:56 < jadew> lol @ Steffanx's comment
2016-09-26T23:13:08 < Steffanx> hah zyp :D
2016-09-26T23:13:09 < jadew> haha
2016-09-26T23:13:11 < jadew> good point zyp
2016-09-26T23:13:43 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Well, say for example, you would not put a dot after "The time it takes for the thread to complete"
2016-09-26T23:14:02 < LeelooMinai> But you would after "This is the time it takes for the thread to complete."
2016-09-26T23:14:21 < jadew> no, I'd put after both, simply for consistency
2016-09-26T23:14:32 < karlp> not sure how you suckers live with 110v outlets.
2016-09-26T23:14:32 < jadew> hurts my eyes to see both comments with and without dots
2016-09-26T23:14:40 < LeelooMinai> Right, just saying - technically the first one is not a sentence, so not dot:)
2016-09-26T23:14:42 < Steffanx> LeelooMinai, you should mate with Ultrasauce. Then you can make perfect english sentences together :P
2016-09-26T23:14:49  * karlp was brewing beer on 2800W element on a regular plug yesterday
2016-09-26T23:15:03 < zyp> yeah?
2016-09-26T23:15:08 < LeelooMinai> karlp: Replaced fuses with bolts? :)
2016-09-26T23:15:18 < LeelooMinai> Or nails...
2016-09-26T23:15:25 < Ultrasauce> dongs is the only one 4 me
2016-09-26T23:15:47 < zyp> karlp, in our part of the world, you can do up to 3700W from a normal outlet
2016-09-26T23:16:05 < LeelooMinai> Damn, that's what... Mars? :p
2016-09-26T23:16:19 < zyp> 16A*230V
2016-09-26T23:16:22 < Steffanx> The world of 230V/16A. ( obviously)
2016-09-26T23:16:37 < zyp> Steffanx, why would you divide voltage by current?
2016-09-26T23:16:46 < jadew> to get resistance
2016-09-26T23:16:54 < Steffanx> ^^     
2016-09-26T23:17:03 < zyp> the world of 14.375ohm
2016-09-26T23:17:04 < Steffanx> And resistance is what i got.
2016-09-26T23:17:09  * LeelooMinai imagines boiling a cup of water with 3700watt
2016-09-26T23:17:46 < Steffanx> http://www.rollatortje.com/Files/2/22000/22609/ProductPhotos/MaxContent/136806145.jpg something like that in a cup
2016-09-26T23:17:46 < zyp> doing 16A for hours at a time tends to be a bad idea though
2016-09-26T23:17:47 < LeelooMinai> You switch the thing on and you get a puff of steam and that's it
2016-09-26T23:18:00 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/v5UfU.jpg <- shit starts looking like this
2016-09-26T23:18:21 < zyp> that's one of the public outlets available for EV charging
2016-09-26T23:18:25 < Steffanx> Is that your creation?
2016-09-26T23:18:31 < zyp> no     
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2016-09-26T23:19:09 < zyp> I'm visiting a friend, there's this charging lot nearby with free public outlets for charging
2016-09-26T23:19:12 < zyp> so I charge my car there
2016-09-26T23:19:18 < zyp> and half the outlets looks like that
2016-09-26T23:19:35 < LeelooMinai> Well, they seem dirty, so that may be part of that
2016-09-26T23:19:46 < LeelooMinai> Contact resistance - level 10:)
2016-09-26T23:20:07 < zyp> my cable got a thermal sensor in the plug, so it'll cut off before that happens, but obviously I can't use sockets that's already ruined
2016-09-26T23:20:43 < LeelooMinai> Cable with a thermal sensor in a plug <- did you get this from NASA? :)
2016-09-26T23:21:08 < zyp> there's also this three phase 32A industrial outlet there, so last week I got fed up with the shitty normal outlets and made a cable to fit the industrial one :p
2016-09-26T23:21:16 < zyp> LeelooMinai, no, it came with the car
2016-09-26T23:21:24 < Steffanx> German made.
2016-09-26T23:21:33 < LeelooMinai> Interesting - never heard of such a thing
2016-09-26T23:21:35 < zyp> true, but I think it's normal for most EVs nowadays
2016-09-26T23:21:47 < zyp> LeelooMinai, never heard of EVs?
2016-09-26T23:21:51 < Ultrasauce> bursting into flames is bad pr
2016-09-26T23:21:52 < LeelooMinai> Right, I guess I am not very familiar with automotive stuff
2016-09-26T23:22:14 < Steffanx> So is this only EV cars in Norway thing really going to happen soon, zyp?
2016-09-26T23:22:16 < karlp> zyp: yeah, people are using 3500W elements, but I chose to stick to a 2800w, it's a shared circuit with the rest of the loungrroom and bedroom, and while in theory all the wiring should be fine for 16amps, I didn't feel like i needed to push it to the limits.
2016-09-26T23:22:18 < LeelooMinai> And EV are pretty new by themselves
2016-09-26T23:22:33 < jadew> Extraterestrial Vehicles
2016-09-26T23:22:35 < zyp> Steffanx, haha, no
2016-09-26T23:22:39 < jadew> they've been around for a while
2016-09-26T23:22:40 < LeelooMinai> Sans golf carts I guess:)
2016-09-26T23:22:47 < Steffanx> It was big news, even here in the netherlands. So you guys lied. :(
2016-09-26T23:22:50 < karlp> and yeah, like you said, even mine 2800w elemtn gets the cables nice and floppy ;)
2016-09-26T23:23:11 < zyp> Steffanx, well, people are suggesting all sorts of shit, but I don't think 100% is very realistic
2016-09-26T23:24:03 < LeelooMinai> karlp: I would presume that some code should make the cable withstand, say, 150% of rated current or something like this.
2016-09-26T23:24:13 < Laurenceb__> T minus 4:35
2016-09-26T23:24:20 < Laurenceb__> where T stands for Trump
2016-09-26T23:24:35 < karlp> sure, and it probably does, but I can't find everything that's there, 
2016-09-26T23:24:43 < jadew> Laurenceb__, is something launching?
2016-09-26T23:24:52 < karlp> and there's lots of outlets that are rated 10A, not 16A, even though they _should_ all be 16A
2016-09-26T23:24:54 < LeelooMinai> They are sending Trump into space on a rocket? :)
2016-09-26T23:25:00 < jadew> haha
2016-09-26T23:25:00 < Steffanx> Are you really going to wait for that mr Laurenceb__?
2016-09-26T23:25:01 < karlp> also, rated to run at 16A for.... how long?
2016-09-26T23:25:02 < Laurenceb__> jadew: Trumps ego
2016-09-26T23:25:20 < LeelooMinai> "Trumps in spaaaaace"
2016-09-26T23:25:20 < zyp> karlp, new regulations actually restrict 2.5mm2 wiring to 15A
2016-09-26T23:25:23 < Laurenceb__> Steffanx: I have popcorn ready
2016-09-26T23:25:35 < zyp> (in norway)
2016-09-26T23:25:40 < karlp> new regulations don't mean shit unless you're into new building development unfortunately.
2016-09-26T23:25:46 < jadew> what do you mean they restrict them?
2016-09-26T23:25:57 < zyp> I mean, I think it's depending on how you run the cables
2016-09-26T23:26:05 < zyp> jadew, what's legal to install
2016-09-26T23:26:06 < jadew> are they supposed to catch fire if you're putting more? and if not, are they against regulations?
2016-09-26T23:26:19 < sync> we have a lot of 16A fused wires that are only 0.75mm²
2016-09-26T23:26:23 < zyp> sure
2016-09-26T23:26:30 < LeelooMinai> That's their version of "fire alarm" - just fire:)
2016-09-26T23:26:40 < jadew> heh     
2016-09-26T23:26:52 < zyp> with enough cooling for the cable, running 16A through 1.5mm2 works just fine
2016-09-26T23:28:44 < Laurenceb__> lol     
2016-09-26T23:28:53 < Laurenceb__> because your house has water cooled cables
2016-09-26T23:29:39 < jadew> what? you run them through the water pipes
2016-09-26T23:31:15 < Laurenceb__> moar batshit insane than emdrive
2016-09-26T23:31:16 < jadew> tingly showers rejuvinate your hair follicle
2016-09-26T23:33:31 < Laurenceb__> spotted jadew https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lKfdS38aBSk/hqdefault.jpg
2016-09-26T23:33:53 < jadew> lol     
2016-09-26T23:33:57 < jadew> I don't believe that
2016-09-26T23:34:09 < jadew> I believe it's a failure in logic
2016-09-26T23:35:01 < Laurenceb__> s/feminism/mgtow
2016-09-26T23:35:11 < jadew> that too
2016-09-26T23:35:13 < LeelooMinai> Damn, and I opened that mgtow site from curiosity - bad idea
2016-09-26T23:35:24 < jadew> what did you find?
2016-09-26T23:36:24 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/Sf1teIM.png
2016-09-26T23:36:30 < LeelooMinai> Some dazed and confused people
2016-09-26T23:37:29 < jadew> yeah
2016-09-26T23:38:28 < jadew> the debate is highly philosophical, yet, it's done at the street level by idiots
2016-09-26T23:39:01 < Laurenceb__> welcome to the internet
2016-09-26T23:39:07 < kakimir> hello Laurenceb__ 
2016-09-26T23:40:57 < kakimir> how is internet wars?
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2016-09-27T00:01:45 < Laurenceb__> waiting for the trumpening, less than 4 hours
2016-09-27T00:01:57 < kakimir> ?     
2016-09-27T00:02:16 < Laurenceb__> * Now talking on #trump
2016-09-27T00:05:20 < kakimir> trunp will irc?
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2016-09-27T00:06:15 < LeelooMinai> He is tremendous ircer and had many many irc conversations
2016-09-27T00:10:53 < kakimir> when is murican president elected?
2016-09-27T00:15:34 < Laurenceb__> November
2016-09-27T00:17:24 < Laurenceb__> lul http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-37476691
2016-09-27T00:17:37 < Laurenceb__> dat photo is pretty epin
2016-09-27T00:20:06 < Laurenceb__>  #trump is a dead channel :-(
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2016-09-27T00:27:15 < Steffanx> Secretly you fap on grandma clinton right?
2016-09-27T00:27:45 < gxti> nah i bet he faps to uncle bernie
2016-09-27T00:27:55 < Steffanx> Hah.
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2016-09-27T00:32:53 < Laurenceb__> Trump supporters 
2016-09-27T00:32:55 < Laurenceb__> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b7d_1474918495
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2016-09-27T00:49:28 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/Zf45aR.png
2016-09-27T00:55:26 < Laurenceb__> great, great WALL
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2016-09-27T01:03:34  * LeelooMinai ponders why all the USB2/3 scopes are so expensive
2016-09-27T01:04:55 < LeelooMinai> They cost as much as standalone ones, and there's tons of stuff in there that is gone - big case, big psu, display, front panel with tons of buttons, encoders, etc.
2016-09-27T01:06:07  * karlp has always presumed because they're made by smaller startup companies who need to recoup more software dev costs?
2016-09-27T01:06:22 < LeelooMinai> Big companies make them too
2016-09-27T01:06:44 < LeelooMinai> Tektronix, Le Croy or what they are called - they have those too
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2016-09-27T01:07:23 < LeelooMinai> I mean they must be 10 times easier to design and manufacture.
2016-09-27T01:08:12 < LeelooMinai> It's basically pcb and simple case
2016-09-27T01:09:55 < LeelooMinai> No idea how Rigol can sell 1Gsps 4 channel oscilloscope with many nice features for $500 and 1Gsps USB scopes would be $1k and up:/
2016-09-27T01:10:08 < Thorn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-millimeter_band
2016-09-27T01:10:10 < Thorn> >The amateur radio and amateur satellite band is between 134 GHz and 141 GHz.
2016-09-27T01:10:55 < Thorn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1-millimeter_band
2016-09-27T01:11:22 < LeelooMinai> Not impressive - indians were sending light/smoke signals ages ago and those were in THz range
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2016-09-27T01:24:02 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I could maybe tap into this M1K's current sense amplifier output and just feed it into my oscilloscope.
2016-09-27T01:25:35 < LeelooMinai> Although probably the amplifier has some limited bandwidth anyways.
2016-09-27T01:26:58 < LeelooMinai> Right, 450kHz -3 dB
2016-09-27T01:27:26 < LeelooMinai> Lame
2016-09-27T01:32:08 < jadew> LeelooMinai, they target companies and government institutions that don't spend from their own pockets
2016-09-27T01:32:29 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Wonderful
2016-09-27T01:32:53 < jadew> companies may have a need for them for niche applications while government institutions... well, you know how it is
2016-09-27T01:32:57 < LeelooMinai> Maybe someone should kickstart something sensible for hobbyists then
2016-09-27T01:33:13 < jadew> you do it
2016-09-27T01:33:20 < jadew> should be easy enough
2016-09-27T01:33:52 < LeelooMinai> Even if I decided to design such thing, I would not want to do anything with "bussinessy" side of it.
2016-09-27T01:33:57  * LeelooMinai shivers
2016-09-27T01:34:14 < jadew> well, you have to, if you want to get rich
2016-09-27T01:34:54 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: And you suck at juding what other people can or cannot do:)
2016-09-27T01:35:27 < LeelooMinai> I don't really want to get rich - just want reasonable PC scope/LA
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2016-09-27T01:35:44 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Agree, i hand the crown to you
2016-09-27T01:36:36 < jadew> there's a lot more you can suck off of a woman
2016-09-27T01:37:05 < LeelooMinai> Like energy, patience, etc. - I understand that:)
2016-09-27T01:37:10 < jadew> haha
2016-09-27T01:49:58 < LeelooMinai> Lame
2016-09-27T01:50:09 < jadew> the bar is pretty low
2016-09-27T01:51:26 < Laurenceb__> expecting clock boy
2016-09-27T01:51:39 < Laurenceb__> wtf is that
2016-09-27T01:52:50 < jadew> trash can fork robot
2016-09-27T01:58:03 < Laurenceb__> I should get on with some proper projects then
2016-09-27T01:58:27 < LeelooMinai> *replaces the fork with spork*
2016-09-27T02:00:41 < LeelooMinai> Well, I found this project: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/751733865/smartscope-reinventing-the-oscilloscope
2016-09-27T02:00:59 < LeelooMinai> Only 100Msps though - but seems they completed it and are selling the stuff for $250
2016-09-27T02:01:53 < LeelooMinai> After rising $300k
2016-09-27T02:02:02 < LeelooMinai> raising*
2016-09-27T02:02:43 < LeelooMinai> But at this price it's Analog Discovery range
2016-09-27T02:03:16 < LeelooMinai> As opposed to what? Serial?
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2016-09-27T02:03:48 < LeelooMinai> They targeted tablets there
2016-09-27T02:04:17 < LeelooMinai> No, not that I know of normally...
2016-09-27T02:04:18 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: there's very little current you would want to capture at greater than 400kHz
2016-09-27T02:04:31 < aandrew> I guess if you were trying to do sidechannel analysis maybe
2016-09-27T02:04:47 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Power usage of mircos, etc.
2016-09-27T02:05:24 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: There's a lot of USB oscilloscopes - high end ones over USB3 - it's not that weird.
2016-09-27T02:05:29 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: all the magic in scopes is in the input stage and timing, I suspect the screen/psu/etc take up very little BOM cost
2016-09-27T02:05:48 < aandrew> < LeelooMinai> Not impressive - indians were sending light/smoke signals ages ago and those were in THz range
2016-09-27T02:05:51 < aandrew> lol     
2016-09-27T02:07:12 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I would prefer ethernet too. In fact I designed my projects of 1G ethernet - both the xmos and FPGA one, but I am just saying that all the USB scopes they sell seem to be USB.
2016-09-27T02:07:16 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: again, you don't need to measure power usage of micros at >fewhundredkHz unless you're doing sidechannel attacks
2016-09-27T02:08:22 < aandrew> R2COM: are you off your meds today? you've been loopy since this afternoon
2016-09-27T02:08:26 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Right, I forgot that everyone is only inte3ested  what you designed
2016-09-27T02:08:48 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Right, wait, what have you designed?
2016-09-27T02:09:03 < aandrew> USB is a terrible protocol for labs, I agree with R2COM here. much better to use ethernet, but USB is everywhere because it gives the impression of ease of use
2016-09-27T02:09:42 < LeelooMinai> I agree too, but not sure why is he so aggressive. A sisciple of dongs?
2016-09-27T02:09:48 < LeelooMinai> disciple*
2016-09-27T02:10:31 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: They retarded - whatever. You think that if someone designs things for herself, it's not valid any more?
2016-09-27T02:10:39 < LeelooMinai> Then*
2016-09-27T02:11:04 < LeelooMinai> What kind of dumb thinking is that...
2016-09-27T02:11:55 < aandrew> no R2COM you're being a prick. nothing unusual for this chan but those who are pricks here generally acknowledge it
2016-09-27T02:12:28 < aandrew> R2COM: my mental issues are stellar, thank you
2016-09-27T02:12:32 < LeelooMinai> lol, counter-attack in the usual style
2016-09-27T02:14:36 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Do you deal with people same in RL?
2016-09-27T02:14:49 < LeelooMinai> Because I somehow cannot imagine you do...
2016-09-27T02:15:22 < LeelooMinai> No one would take it:)
2016-09-27T02:16:56 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I remember some project, I think open-hardware for analyzing power usage to break encryptions etc., but it was not cheap - I think it was "whisperer-something" Chip Whisperer?
2016-09-27T02:17:32 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Just wondering how you survived so long without anyone harming you or something:)
2016-09-27T02:18:34 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: yes, sidechannel attacks or differential something analysis
2016-09-27T02:18:44 < aandrew> hm, sky's an interesting colour
2016-09-27T02:19:31 < LeelooMinai> Well, but still - one may want to see tiny current changes when using low power micros in short time - it's usuall mode of operation when youget interrupot, do something, and sleep.
2016-09-27T02:20:28 < aandrew> sure, but 450kHz is 2us. I'm pretty sure that's fast enough to catch most ISRs in most micros
2016-09-27T02:20:33 < LeelooMinai> I have 80MHz micro here and with 10μs it can to tons of stuff
2016-09-27T02:21:08 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Catch, ok, but you want still to analyze the power - have some kind of smooth curve that you integrate.
2016-09-27T02:21:34 < aandrew> *nods*
2016-09-27T02:21:40 < aandrew> I'm just saying it will work for most uses
2016-09-27T02:21:53 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Yes, well, other agressive people - do you talk to them like that and they just smile like me? :p
2016-09-27T02:21:55 < aandrew> and if you want faster, shunt with optional high side amp into a scope
2016-09-27T02:22:27 < LeelooMinai> Right, I may do something like this - small board with some very fast differential amplifier.
2016-09-27T02:22:43 < aandrew> there are lots of high side amps designed specifically for this
2016-09-27T02:22:45 < aandrew> actually I'm using one
2016-09-27T02:22:58 < LeelooMinai> Which one?
2016-09-27T02:23:09 < aandrew> just spinning up the VM to find out
2016-09-27T02:23:41 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: lol, that's some animated children stuff, not RL
2016-09-27T02:24:14 < aandrew> INA199A
2016-09-27T02:24:30 < LeelooMinai> A, I used those in the past - but I don't think they have required bandwidth...
2016-09-27T02:24:37 < aandrew> that's strictly analog. I also used a triple-channel one that did sampling and was an I2C device 
2016-09-27T02:25:00 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Yes
2016-09-27T02:25:27 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: ahh, you're right, 100kHz
2016-09-27T02:25:32 < aandrew> worse than your chip
2016-09-27T02:26:27 < LeelooMinai> No, when you, say, approach someone, and the conversation goes like that " -- Hello - Hello, what's up -- Well, I fixed my car today... -- You could not fix a car even if you had two mechanics work with you, moron."
2016-09-27T02:27:28 < LeelooMinai> Ok, just checking that you only do that on IRC:)
2016-09-27T02:27:43 < LeelooMinai> Was trying to judge your unstability level.
2016-09-27T02:28:26 < Laurenceb__> lul Leeloo
2016-09-27T02:28:32 < aandrew> INA169 does 4400kHz
2016-09-27T02:28:34 < Laurenceb__> that conversation is typical of IRC
2016-09-27T02:28:35 < aandrew> that has pretty gnarly input offset (1V)
2016-09-27T02:29:19 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Right, I am sure in RL you are like Chuck Norris and all:)
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2016-09-27T02:31:24 < LeelooMinai> Not sure if that was meant to be a positive or negative thing
2016-09-27T02:31:27 < Laurenceb__> cool story bro
2016-09-27T02:31:46 < Laurenceb__> R2COM is Trump?
2016-09-27T02:31:59 < LeelooMinai> Russian Trump:)
2016-09-27T02:32:11 < Laurenceb__> sounds like what Trump would say to question "Why should you be president"
2016-09-27T02:32:37 < Laurenceb__> cuz debate in an hour or so
2016-09-27T02:32:51 < LeelooMinai> I would say that if he does not bother you, you may have some weird issues:p
2016-09-27T02:32:52 < Laurenceb__> most epin TV event in our lifetimes
2016-09-27T02:33:24 < LeelooMinai> Meh, if it was Bernie vs Trump I would even watch it just to see the destruction that ensues:)
2016-09-27T02:33:41 < Laurenceb__> maybe I should work on my citizenship so I can voat for Trump
2016-09-27T02:34:28 < Laurenceb__>  "bothered" includes being a trump fan
2016-09-27T02:34:34 < LeelooMinai> Pressure cooker bombers do not bomb the whole country:)
2016-09-27T02:34:45 < aandrew> not with that attitude they won't.
2016-09-27T02:35:16 < Laurenceb__>  /r/the_donald is going mad
2016-09-27T02:36:11 < aandrew> the world is going crazy. brexit and a trump victory? it's gonna be weird
2016-09-27T02:36:18 < LeelooMinai> When you consider all aspects, they may even get the US on +. In any case, it's silly to concentrate on such issue, instead on the bigger ones.
2016-09-27T02:36:58 < LeelooMinai> Clowns like Trump concentrate on them because they push buttons of short-sighted people.
2016-09-27T02:37:27 < LeelooMinai> Play on their bigotry, etc.
2016-09-27T02:38:20 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: It's a small issue in comparison to many others.
2016-09-27T02:38:43 < Laurenceb__> http://sli.mg/qwuMW1
2016-09-27T02:38:54 < LeelooMinai> Like fubared Heal System, military spending and lame education.
2016-09-27T02:39:25 < Laurenceb__> itt: 1) FUCKING COMMIE,  2) FUCKING RACIST
2016-09-27T02:39:26 < LeelooMinai> Well, yes, he won't because confused masochists did not vote for mim.
2016-09-27T02:39:42 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/8HdONM.jpg
2016-09-27T02:41:10 < Laurenceb__> aatn Rob235: http://i.imgtc.com/AzaPnjc.png
2016-09-27T02:41:25 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You realize that was only applying to some people that earn I think over $1mil or something like that?
2016-09-27T02:42:09 < LeelooMinai> I rest my case:/
2016-09-27T02:42:18 < Laurenceb__> lul first "lady"
2016-09-27T02:42:36 < Laurenceb__> R2COMs ride  https://i.sli.mg/33wB5L.jpg
2016-09-27T02:43:19 < LeelooMinai> lol... just lol
2016-09-27T02:43:51 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Now I am not sure - I think you are just trolling at this point:)
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2016-09-27T02:44:50 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Just read this table and ponder for a moment your misinformation: http://www.bernietax.com/#0;0
2016-09-27T02:46:05 < LeelooMinai> 39->52% for those over 10 mil
2016-09-27T02:46:32 < LeelooMinai> I think it's sensible
2016-09-27T02:46:47 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: hm, my disposable income would go down significantly with bernietax
2016-09-27T02:47:14 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: You earn more than half a mil a year?
2016-09-27T02:47:33 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: no
2016-09-27T02:48:00 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: What are you talking about...  There are different situations, but if you are born into poor Mexican family you have a lot less chance to get there...
2016-09-27T02:48:16 < aandrew> my healthcare costs are about $1k though. 75k salary takes home slightly less, my income takes home around 10k less
2016-09-27T02:49:14 < aandrew> oh for fuck sakes R2COM, welcome to my /ignore
2016-09-27T02:49:23 < aandrew> jesus christ just fuck off for the night
2016-09-27T02:49:49 < LeelooMinai> No, he wantsd to move 39% to 52% and use the differenct to fund important things, like Medicare, education, etc. - imo that's a good plan
2016-09-27T02:50:07 < Laurenceb__> lulwut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCFnPphXnbA
2016-09-27T02:50:21 < Laurenceb__> hahah PhD
2016-09-27T02:50:25 < Laurenceb__> attn R2COM
2016-09-27T02:50:34 < aandrew> hm, almost all of the bernie tax difference is in the medicare for all 
2016-09-27T02:50:39 < LeelooMinai> Instead, with Trump rich people will troll the rest 90+% and laugh secretly how dumb they were to elect him
2016-09-27T02:50:47 < aandrew> actually I should check against what I pay in canada right now
2016-09-27T02:51:13 < aandrew> actually that figure's inaccurate, I don't draw salary for that amount
2016-09-27T02:51:27 < LeelooMinai> Rich people have 1000+ ways to steal money too - and they do
2016-09-27T02:51:43 < LeelooMinai> Since they are enpowered by the money they already have
2016-09-27T02:52:00 < LeelooMinai> So can easily manipulate the system and get tax breaks, etc.
2016-09-27T02:52:16 < LeelooMinai> If one does not see that, one is very naive
2016-09-27T02:52:23 < Laurenceb__> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/77379389f36922906ea8c8e07002736c7d9b9d90a29aa090e2493d2265e6e6e7.jpg
2016-09-27T02:52:30 < LeelooMinai> And masochist, unlress a millionaire
2016-09-27T02:53:07 < aandrew> actually if I just use the simple formula, bernie's tax is almost identical to canadian taxes i pay right now
2016-09-27T02:53:58 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: careful with that 1000 ways to pay less tax
2016-09-27T02:54:08 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You seem to suffer from sime weird cult of personality for rich people - I don't fully get it, but it's weird imo...
2016-09-27T02:54:20 < aandrew> I'm very solidly in the upper middle class and none of those methods are available to me. I'm hit pretty damn hard with taxes
2016-09-27T02:54:35 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: You are not even in US:)
2016-09-27T02:54:40 < aandrew> too poor to use the rich cheat codes, too rich to get any kind of preferential treatment :-)
2016-09-27T02:55:29 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: What do you mean no? Are you rich?
2016-09-27T02:56:04 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: They are not being punished - they have lots of money and live in times and place where they can take advantage of them even with those taxes.
2016-09-27T02:56:42 < LeelooMinai> It's a problem?
2016-09-27T02:56:51 < LeelooMinai> I say they are lucky.
2016-09-27T02:57:19 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You realize many of them could win the lottery? :p
2016-09-27T02:57:32 < LeelooMinai> Or get money from family...
2016-09-27T02:58:21 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: His family had to give 39% and they did fine apparently.
2016-09-27T02:59:27 < aandrew> wow     
2016-09-27T02:59:28 < LeelooMinai> Right, they should lower taxes for rich people, so in 50 years 0.1% of people controls the whole country and other starve and die without health care - great plan.
2016-09-27T02:59:50 < aandrew> epson 252xl clone cartridges are insanely cheap on amazon. wonder if they are actually good
2016-09-27T03:00:17 < aandrew> 12 ink cartridges (4xCYMK) is $27. Epson wants well over $100 for one set.
2016-09-27T03:00:38 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: lol... were you not here where a guy claimed he is still paying back for defiblirration?\
2016-09-27T03:02:27 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: And taking maney from poor is better?
2016-09-27T03:03:10 < LeelooMinai> Poor people are being screwed by the system all the time - it's just that it has become "normal", so manby people lose the perspective.
2016-09-27T03:03:30 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: He also wanted to hit Wall Streat speculations, and things like that.
2016-09-27T03:03:40 < LeelooMinai> Street*
2016-09-27T03:04:27 < LeelooMinai> You realise those Wall Street people ruined the economy of US at least once and the government had to give them money so the whole thing does not collapse?
2016-09-27T03:05:08 < LeelooMinai> ...     
2016-09-27T03:05:43 < LeelooMinai> They speculated and failed - it's like giving back money to people who lost them in casinos
2016-09-27T03:06:28 < LeelooMinai> And that's your problem? You think that what, all taxes can be lowered to 0 and that will be great?
2016-09-27T03:07:29 < LeelooMinai> That's just one strategy. Do you see Trump proposing anything like that?
2016-09-27T03:08:11 < LeelooMinai> lol... Are you insane? Why do you care about rich people?
2016-09-27T03:08:45 < LeelooMinai> I mean I don't get impression that you are a millionaire and IRC for lols...
2016-09-27T03:09:47 < LeelooMinai> But that's nonsense - read up on it. Rich people tend to freeze most of their money - I think 80% or more and it does the exact oposite to the economy than what you suggested.
2016-09-27T03:10:18 < LeelooMinai> Pooe people spend money on the other hand. In fact, they spend more than they have:)
2016-09-27T03:10:27 < LeelooMinai> Poor*
2016-09-27T03:10:36 < LeelooMinai> Right, you don't know what you are talking about.
2016-09-27T03:10:42 < ReadError> cant take it to the grave
2016-09-27T03:11:15 < ReadError> lol R2COM's view on trump
2016-09-27T03:11:28 < ReadError> ignant ass ninja
2016-09-27T03:13:28 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2012/08/01/157664524/how-the-poor-the-middle-class-and-the-rich-spend-their-money
2016-09-27T03:13:45 < LeelooMinai> And that's only above $115k - the really rich people are much worse there
2016-09-27T03:14:03 < LeelooMinai> They locate money into super-expensive houses, cares, planes, who knows what
2016-09-27T03:14:09 < LeelooMinai> cars*
2016-09-27T03:14:34 < aandrew> lol @ 115k being rich
2016-09-27T03:14:55 < LeelooMinai> Yes, this is not really the best I could find. I would like to see this for $1mil and more
2016-09-27T03:15:51 < ReadErr> trump wants nothing more than to make money fucking everyone over
2016-09-27T03:15:57 < ReadErr> if you cant see that, you are retarded
2016-09-27T03:16:15 < ReadErr> he wont even debate mark cuban for $10mil
2016-09-27T03:16:23 < ReadErr> thats how weak his ideology is 
2016-09-27T03:16:35 < LeelooMinai> I see Trump as an oportunistic con man that by accident found out that can run for president by trolling people.
2016-09-27T03:16:48 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: i thought it was a big joke at first
2016-09-27T03:16:50 < ReadErr> but fuck
2016-09-27T03:16:54 < ReadErr> americans are retarded
2016-09-27T03:17:03 < LeelooMinai> I think he may be surprised by himself that it worked by this time...
2016-09-27T03:17:30 < ReadErr> and some of the shit hes said
2016-09-27T03:17:31 < ReadErr> ...wow
2016-09-27T03:17:48 < LeelooMinai> I think R2COM is trolling - he cannot mean those things seriously:)
2016-09-27T03:19:20 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Go troll #hillary or something:p
2016-09-27T03:19:26 < ReadErr> I hope someone exercises their 2nd amendment on him before the election
2016-09-27T03:19:57 < ReadErr> or maybe an emergency vote, 3rd term obama
2016-09-27T03:20:35 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if he would decist if they offered him, say, 100 mil or something:)
2016-09-27T03:20:48 < ReadErr> he could make more in office
2016-09-27T03:20:53 < ReadErr> thats the plan anyways
2016-09-27T03:21:04 < LeelooMinai> A kickstarter to pay Trump to bugger off - here's an idea...
2016-09-27T03:21:18 < ReadErr> or pay a crackhead $50 and give them a stolen pistol
2016-09-27T03:21:37 < ReadErr> why?
2016-09-27T03:21:50 < LeelooMinai> IRCing? :p
2016-09-27T03:21:56 < ReadErr> what am I doing?
2016-09-27T03:22:03 < LeelooMinai> lol     
2016-09-27T03:22:04 < ReadErr> huh no
2016-09-27T03:22:10 < ReadErr> trump said the same thing about hillary
2016-09-27T03:22:14 < ReadErr> he didnt mean assassinate 
2016-09-27T03:22:29 < ReadErr> apparently
2016-09-27T03:22:44 < ReadErr> dont pull some double standard shit on me holmes
2016-09-27T03:23:05 < LeelooMinai> No, all the elections were crooked:)
2016-09-27T03:23:22 < ReadErr> hillary is going to win anyways
2016-09-27T03:23:35 < ReadErr> then all you butthurt trumpist fgts will be complaining about rigged elections
2016-09-27T03:24:50 < upgrdman> damn, the black magic probe guys make it a pain to give them money. not on mouser, digikey or amazon
2016-09-27T03:26:29 < LeelooMinai> The what?
2016-09-27T03:27:03 < LeelooMinai> What is crimea?
2016-09-27T03:28:11 < ReadErr> trump is already fist deep in putin's ass
2016-09-27T03:28:27 < ReadErr> owes $$$
2016-09-27T03:29:11 < Laurenceb__> moar liek butthurt ReadErr
2016-09-27T03:29:21 < Laurenceb__> T minus 30 minutes
2016-09-27T03:29:26 < LeelooMinai> What boggles my mind that poor people may think that people like Trump care about anything but their money...
2016-09-27T03:29:39 < Laurenceb__>  /join #trump
2016-09-27T03:29:53 < Laurenceb__> only 3 ppl in there :(
2016-09-27T03:29:55 < LeelooMinai> I mean that's beyond naive 
2016-09-27T03:32:31 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: lol I know right
2016-09-27T03:32:42 < ReadErr> so many poor redneck hick fucks believe that
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2016-09-27T03:34:53 < LeelooMinai> Good, because you will never get one...
2016-09-27T03:37:53 < upgrdman> why are people so desperate for support.
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2016-09-27T03:48:10 < Laurenceb__>  T minus 15 minutes
2016-09-27T03:54:12 < ReadErr> lol     
2016-09-27T03:54:19 < ReadErr> trump already saying this is going to be unfair
2016-09-27T03:54:22 < ReadErr> what a little bitch
2016-09-27T03:59:59 < Laurenceb__> lul #trump is hotting up
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2016-09-27T04:17:20 < dongs> aandrew: how annoying is LE910 to handsolder
2016-09-27T04:18:52 < aandrew> I did not solder it by hand
2016-09-27T04:18:55 < aandrew> it was reflowed 
2016-09-27T04:19:03 < aandrew> I would treat it as a big fucking BGA
2016-09-27T04:19:15 < aandrew> however I think it'd be easier than a BGA because the lands are so large
2016-09-27T04:20:40 < Laurenceb__> trump seems pretty smooth
2016-09-27T04:21:05 < Laurenceb__> do I have to drink if Hillary says China?
2016-09-27T04:21:24 < aandrew> heh     
2016-09-27T04:21:37 < dongs> its hilarious that occulus dick'd is gonna die cuz of trump
2016-09-27T04:21:41 < dongs> and then trump will be president anyway
2016-09-27T04:23:20  * LeelooMinai peeks at the debate and thinks "That's why they should put Sanders against Trump"
2016-09-27T04:23:36 < LeelooMinai> She is not the best person to debate him
2016-09-27T04:24:51 < dongs> last i checked sanders was male. stop projecting your m2f fantasies onto other people
2016-09-27T04:24:52 < ReadErr> lol hes getting so frustrated 
2016-09-27T04:25:07 < ReadErr> give biz a huge tax cut
2016-09-27T04:25:09 < ReadErr> thats smart..
2016-09-27T04:25:20 < LeelooMinai> He will just overpower her with his shear caveman-ism:/
2016-09-27T04:25:47 < aandrew> trump is smooth? lol
2016-09-27T04:26:06 < ReadErr> trump just gets angry like a little kid
2016-09-27T04:26:13 < ReadErr> and cant think rationally 
2016-09-27T04:26:27 < LeelooMinai> No, on the contrary - he is rough and brutal, but she will not be able to take this for too long without getting upset.
2016-09-27T04:26:35 < dongs> LeelooMinai: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-09-27T04:26:59 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Go dong yourself. Thank you! :)
2016-09-27T04:28:14 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I think you're very wrong
2016-09-27T04:28:26 < aandrew> hilary went 12+ hours in front of two senate inquriies and didn't break a sweat
2016-09-27T04:28:27 < Laurenceb__> <aandrew> trump is smooth? lol
2016-09-27T04:28:33 < LeelooMinai> Weird how a guy who few lines above wrote "its hilarious that occulus dick'd is gonna die cuz of trump" teaches me what I should say on the channel:)
2016-09-27T04:28:33 < Laurenceb__> compared to normal Trump mode
2016-09-27T04:28:45 < Laurenceb__> seems we get sane Trump mode
2016-09-27T04:29:10 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Well, we will see I guess... maybe I underestimate her:)
2016-09-27T04:29:22 < aandrew> hilary is a smooth operator. She is the type of person who could make you feel like she's your best friend while she stabs you in the back, but she's smooth as hell
2016-09-27T04:29:49 < LeelooMinai> RIght, ok, I guess she is a pro at this...
2016-09-27T04:35:08 < LeelooMinai> I don't think he understand what "delete" means:p
2016-09-27T04:36:01 < ReadErr> COCKSLAPPED
2016-09-27T04:37:03 < aandrew> yeah, you'd make sure they were really deleted :-)
2016-09-27T04:39:32 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, why is he constantly talking about making money and making money, etc.  That's weird.
2016-09-27T04:40:58 < dongs> aandrew: jewblox toby looks cheaper than telit
2016-09-27T04:41:27 < dongs> also: japscat certified as a bonus
2016-09-27T04:41:55 < dongs> https://www.u-blox.com/sites/default/files/TOBY-L2_ProductSummary_%28UBX-13004198%29.pdf
2016-09-27T04:42:00 < aandrew> quite possible
2016-09-27T04:42:15 < dongs> looks like they finally figured out what ecommerce is, too
2016-09-27T04:42:25 < aandrew> hah     
2016-09-27T04:42:27 < aandrew> interesting device
2016-09-27T04:42:28 < dongs> i remember the only way to buy thier GPS module was either being a company placing 100k order or scam from ebay
2016-09-27T04:42:36 < aandrew> telit is kind of the defacto standard
2016-09-27T04:42:38 < aandrew> but that looks good
2016-09-27T04:42:42 < aandrew> have to take a better look later
2016-09-27T04:42:57 < dongs> well, i could click 'buy now' on teh jewblox and done
2016-09-27T04:43:04 < dongs> the local telit reseller still ahsnt called me back
2016-09-27T04:43:09 < dongs> so there's that
2016-09-27T04:43:09 < dongs> :D     
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2016-09-27T04:57:34 < Laurenceb__> lul they both seem to be running out of energy
2016-09-27T04:58:55 < dongs> dongs.
2016-09-27T05:00:20 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: No idea what are you talking about - they are talking about crime problem and police prejudice against blacks.
2016-09-27T05:01:03 < dongs> nobody except blacks actually cares about blacks
2016-09-27T05:01:07 < LeelooMinai> Did not watch from the beginning, so cannot say - I started when he was talking about his tax returns:)
2016-09-27T05:01:14 < dongs> they should shut hte fuck up and go back to thier mcdoanlds jobs
2016-09-27T05:01:48 < LeelooMinai> He seems obsessed with how much money he made or not - it's kind of embarrassing imo
2016-09-27T05:02:54 < LeelooMinai> But that's what they talk about right now - unless I have some non-live you tube channel... but it had "live" on it, so I don't think so...
2016-09-27T05:03:43 < LeelooMinai> Well, whatever - they talk about some "birther" topic... whatever that is
2016-09-27T05:04:13 < LeelooMinai> He has haur
2016-09-27T05:06:56 < Laurenceb__> lul     
2016-09-27T05:07:03 < Laurenceb__> literally doing it for the lulz
2016-09-27T05:07:07 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Not sure what's your point. You seem to concentrate on signle points. What matters is overall effect his plans would have on economy. And I think they did analysis on it and it would end up in some scary deficit.
2016-09-27T05:07:13 < Laurenceb__>  name 4chan
2016-09-27T05:07:29 < aandrew> finally
2016-09-27T05:07:35 < aandrew> pulled the print head out of my epson 1400
2016-09-27T05:07:47 < aandrew> soaking it in isoprop+windex
2016-09-27T05:07:51 < aandrew> can't seem to clean the head
2016-09-27T05:08:17 < aandrew> r2com's on my ignore. I'll unignore him tomorrow and see if he's stabilized
2016-09-27T05:08:26 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Yes, I don't know the concrete number off hand, but it was a lot - kind of billion+ level.
2016-09-27T05:08:36 < Laurenceb__> a probing 
2016-09-27T05:08:36 < Laurenceb__> lol     
2016-09-27T05:08:46 < Laurenceb__> muh Putin
2016-09-27T05:09:50 < aandrew> heh     
2016-09-27T05:10:04 < aandrew> every time trump speaks the little score thing on the watchthedebates.org site goes negative
2016-09-27T05:10:26 < Laurenceb__> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/51c2d0df0884038a683884646f77f3b0c3395c39f83543823754b996dfe45678.jpg
2016-09-27T05:10:42 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I don't know if you realize that every point you make is diametrally wrong: http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/26/news/economy/trump-tax-plan/
2016-09-27T05:11:31 < LeelooMinai> Well, link something better - go ahead:)
2016-09-27T05:11:54  * LeelooMinai waits for some fox news link
2016-09-27T05:13:19 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: That 20% may be just BS too: http://www.forbes.com/sites/robbmandelbaum/2016/09/18/donald-trump-is-lying-to-someone-about-his-small-business-tax-cut/#370a4d7b652a
2016-09-27T05:13:52 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: So whatever he says, it's not imediatelly true and set in stone 
2016-09-27T05:14:28 < LeelooMinai> Yes, so why concentrate on single points like that and scream like a monkey? :)
2016-09-27T05:15:26 < LeelooMinai> No, it's a debate and a game to look better in eyes of people - get real
2016-09-27T05:15:58 < LeelooMinai> They can say whatever they want now and switch later 
2016-09-27T05:16:24 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: ...
2016-09-27T05:16:44 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: No, that's just you talking some nonsens - not sure what's your point again.
2016-09-27T05:17:40 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You take your own time talking nonsense:)
2016-09-27T05:17:56 < LeelooMinai> Don't be surprised that sometimes someone can comment on it.
2016-09-27T05:19:05 < LeelooMinai> lol, LeelooTheMan - there's something wrong with men now? :)
2016-09-27T05:19:54 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Well, so if someone has an accident and loses it, then...
2016-09-27T05:20:30 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Seriously, I have no clue what you are doing there... You want to upset me? Beccause you are just amusing me right now.
2016-09-27T05:21:17 < LeelooMinai> Good, goodspeed
2016-09-27T05:21:22 < LeelooMinai> god*
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2016-09-27T05:22:23 < Rob235> dude, I can't take this debate anymore
2016-09-27T05:23:03 < LeelooMinai> O, call to dongs for help in bigotry - that's sad:)
2016-09-27T05:23:26 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Seeking approval from other homophobes? :p
2016-09-27T05:24:08 < Laurenceb__> trollchanz
2016-09-27T05:24:13 < Rob235> he does that every time
2016-09-27T05:24:31 < dongs> R2COM: agreed
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2016-09-27T05:48:25 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/bd883d1b3d8c4d18823100829a2e3bf6?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=f7794e0997f34eba7f40ea103046cd8f
2016-09-27T05:49:09 < dongs> shit link, shit content
2016-09-27T05:49:43 < dongs> maybe link some pro-trump content instead
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2016-09-27T05:53:04 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/q42c8aoumpnx.gif
2016-09-27T05:53:09 < upgrdman> typical japan
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2016-09-27T05:54:35 < upgrdman> hmm ya, not much good content today :(
2016-09-27T05:57:32 < dongs> i     
2016-09-27T05:57:36 < dongs> i've even seen that gif before
2016-09-27T05:57:37 < dongs> like eyars ago
2016-09-27T05:57:39 < dongs> years
2016-09-27T05:57:43 < aandrew> you probably created it
2016-09-27T05:57:43 < upgrdman> forgive me
2016-09-27T06:06:28 < dongs> > 2016.07.28
2016-09-27T06:06:31 < dongs> > new
2016-09-27T06:23:25 < dongs> no its clickbait/advertising faggotry
2016-09-27T06:23:35 < dongs> or "omg arduino" prpojets
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2016-09-27T06:33:06 < dongs> fuck cypress
2016-09-27T06:33:22 < dongs> more like paki of the month
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2016-09-27T06:59:18 < dongs> trump4prez
2016-09-27T06:59:37 < LeelooMinai> englishman: I thought it is ##siw32 :p
2016-09-27T07:05:10 < dongs> ^ faggot
2016-09-27T07:06:06 < LeelooMinai> ^ dongs
2016-09-27T07:06:18 < dongs> both statements are correct.
2016-09-27T07:07:11 < LeelooMinai> That's... wonderful
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2016-09-27T07:39:06 < dongs> R2COM: forgot leeloohackkitten in that list
2016-09-27T07:42:27 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Hate changes people into dongs.
2016-09-27T07:47:01 < dongs> https://youtu.be/ACEkZQyCc4Y?t=64 whoa
2016-09-27T07:53:28 < dongs> i used to run some progman.exe replacement on win3.1
2016-09-27T07:53:39 < dongs> forgot waht the fuck it was
2016-09-27T08:06:57 < upgrdman> wuts progman.exe
2016-09-27T08:07:12 < upgrdman> i ran win3.1 but was not pro back then
2016-09-27T08:07:19 < upgrdman> is progman the GUI?
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2016-09-27T10:13:35 < stvn> good morning everyone
2016-09-27T10:14:21 < stvn> 0x81
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2016-09-27T10:28:16 < Jak_o_Shadows> hi     
2016-09-27T10:29:55 < PaulFertser> Does anyone here live without a cellphone/smartphone?
2016-09-27T10:32:36 < Jak_o_Shadows> I live without a smart phone with cellular capabilities?
2016-09-27T10:39:47 < stvn> ok     
2016-09-27T10:41:18 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: I mean, do you have no device that you carry around with you and can make voice calls?
2016-09-27T10:42:17 < stvn> i like a device
2016-09-27T10:44:46 < Jak_o_Shadows> No, I mean a smart phone that doesnt have a sim
2016-09-27T10:45:24 < PaulFertser> I meant to ask if someone is living without using a cellphone or any other device that can act as a cellphone.
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2016-09-27T10:50:10 < stvn> sounds like the last time i was on lsd
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2016-09-27T11:20:53 < zyp> PaulFertser, how do you define «act as a cellphone»?
2016-09-27T11:21:29 < emeryth> tracks your every movement and reports to the NSA
2016-09-27T11:22:01 < dongs> so uh
2016-09-27T11:22:05 < dongs> F0 has no ITM stuff
2016-09-27T11:22:09 < PaulFertser> zyp: allows one to make voice calls over a cellular network.
2016-09-27T11:22:12 < dongs> how do I tarduino printf over swd?
2016-09-27T11:22:31 < PaulFertser> dongs: not anyhow, use rblog or semihosting shit or something like that...
2016-09-27T11:22:41 < dongs> semihosting = ITM, no?
2016-09-27T11:22:49 < zyp> PaulFertser, so voice calls over wifi with skype or similar doesn't count?
2016-09-27T11:23:42 < stvn> dongs, ##arduino **uber trollface**
2016-09-27T11:23:46 < zyp> dongs, through a spare uart?
2016-09-27T11:23:46 < PaulFertser> dongs: nope, not at all
2016-09-27T11:23:56 < dongs> PaulFertser: when I googled keil pro semihosting
2016-09-27T11:23:57 < dongs> all I found was
2016-09-27T11:24:03 < dongs> fputc () thing
2016-09-27T11:24:04 < PaulFertser> dongs: semihosting is a way to do "upcalls"/"syscalls" from the target to host via debugging interface.
2016-09-27T11:24:09 < dongs> with ITM_SEndChar
2016-09-27T11:24:09 < zyp> printing through swo isn't very different from just printing through an uart, so you might as well do that
2016-09-27T11:24:16 < PaulFertser> dongs: nope, that's not semihosting.
2016-09-27T11:24:23 < dongs> zyp, dont have free uart
2016-09-27T11:24:40 < PaulFertser> zyp: in my specific definition, yes, doesn't count.
2016-09-27T11:24:44 < dongs> http://www.doulos.com/knowhow/arm/Retargetting_a_C_library_function/
2016-09-27T11:25:30 < dongs> this works ok on M3 and M4
2016-09-27T11:25:34 < zyp> PaulFertser, what about using skype over a data only cellular connection?
2016-09-27T11:25:37 < PaulFertser> dongs: when semihosting, try to buffer as much as possible before printing. By default one might expect line-buffering to be enabled.
2016-09-27T11:25:38 < dongs> with keil
2016-09-27T11:25:53 < dongs> PaulFertser: sure, but how do I get it over debugger interface, into keil for example.
2016-09-27T11:25:53 < PaulFertser> zyp: that would count as a cellphone for me, yes.
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2016-09-27T11:26:16 < PaulFertser> dongs: I'd bet Keil supports regular ARM semihosting.
2016-09-27T11:26:34 < dongs> well waht is it?
2016-09-27T11:26:36 < zyp> PaulFertser, okay, so that can be simplified to having a device with cellular connectivity
2016-09-27T11:26:43 < dongs> link me to shit i can read, cuz im not seeing anything easier than this ITM thing
2016-09-27T11:28:13 < PaulFertser> There used to be payphones on the streets so it's not too hard to not carry a "cellphone" around.
2016-09-27T11:28:15 < dongs> BKPT 0xAB ?
2016-09-27T11:28:16 < dongs> or something
2016-09-27T11:28:20 < PaulFertser> dongs: yes!
2016-09-27T11:28:23 < dongs> PaulFertser: payphones are still a thing in japan
2016-09-27T11:28:28 < dongs> they run on ISDN network
2016-09-27T11:28:29 < zyp> regular semihosting means you do syscalls by stuffing some shit into registers and invoking the bkpt instruction, debugger intercepts that, grabs the data, performs whatever you told it to do and resumes execution
2016-09-27T11:29:04 < zyp> disadvantage is that it's kinda slow and blocks entire execution while the debugger is responding
2016-09-27T11:29:21 < dongs> yeah thats fine
2016-09-27T11:29:32 < dongs> since theres no ITM and this fucker wants to printf shit
2016-09-27T11:30:20 < zyp> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/zyp-qemu-hosting.notes <- here's some shit I messed with once
2016-09-27T11:30:40 < dongs> that doesnt compile in keil and you fuckin know it.
2016-09-27T11:30:42 < dongs> :)     
2016-09-27T11:30:59 < zyp> a plain print (without formatting) is performed by r0=4, r1="blah", bkpt 0xab
2016-09-27T11:31:27 < zyp> I don't care that it doesn't compile, it's just a few lines so you can rewrite it
2016-09-27T11:32:28 < stvn> i'd like a few lines
2016-09-27T11:33:00 < dongs> http://sushihangover.github.io/posts/11/ looks like a zyp blog
2016-09-27T11:34:01 < stvn> is llvm aids?
2016-09-27T11:34:47 < stvn> (i'm asking a dumb qn but expect a somewhat srs answer)
2016-09-27T11:34:57 < dongs> yes     
2016-09-27T11:35:05 < dongs> arm llvm compiler is even worse than gcc in generated code
2016-09-27T11:35:14 < stvn> uh :/
2016-09-27T11:35:21 < stvn> are ARM dropping armcc?
2016-09-27T11:35:25 < dongs> yes     
2016-09-27T11:35:28 < stvn> uh     
2016-09-27T11:35:30 < dongs> already keil ships with llvm aids
2016-09-27T11:35:34 < dongs> as optin
2016-09-27T11:35:36 < stvn> yeah i know
2016-09-27T11:35:40 < stvn> since .20
2016-09-27T11:35:52 < stvn> when they introduced mdk-arm plus
2016-09-27T11:38:07 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/armcc/armcc_pge1358787045051.htm
2016-09-27T11:38:07 < dongs> wtf     
2016-09-27T11:38:12 < dongs> why is tehre no copypaste code for any of this shit
2016-09-27T11:39:41 < stvn> you only get that with mdk-arm pro ;)
2016-09-27T11:41:17 < emeryth> dongs: have some open sores shit: https://github.com/justyn/semihosting-cortexm-uos
2016-09-27T11:41:50 < dongs> #warning "ITM unavailable"
2016-09-27T11:42:38 < dongs> and gcc assembly
2016-09-27T11:42:43 < dongs> damn im sure theres some fucking keil lib for this
2016-09-27T11:47:56 < dongs> oh     
2016-09-27T11:47:58 < dongs> fputc already has this
2016-09-27T11:48:09 < dongs> its calling BPKT AB
2016-09-27T11:48:16 < dongs> but i guess keil doesnt work with it.
2016-09-27T11:49:56 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/tDj2qz39.html
2016-09-27T12:10:52 < Thorn> ARM does not recommend the use of the BKPT instruction with an immediate value set to 0xAB for any purpose other than Semi-hosting.
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2016-09-27T12:25:13 < karlp> LeelooMinai: I've got a smartscope, won it in a magazine.  it's... ok, but they heavily went onto attaching it to a tablet, so it's ui is all touch/draggy
2016-09-27T12:25:37 < karlp> and they built all their own, instead of spending all that devel money making sigrok/pulseview or anything existing better, so now it's dead in the water.
2016-09-27T12:26:02 < karlp> it's only usb FS too, some pic shit inside: https://sigrok.org/wiki/LabNation_SmartScope
2016-09-27T12:26:16 < karlp> I use my generic logic16 clone more often.
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2016-09-27T12:39:22 < karlp> also, IMO aretoocommie's SNR has been wayyy lower on his return.  int he past I found him rough, but still sharing useful knwoeldge and interesting thoughts.  as of now I' finally felt the need to ignore :(
2016-09-27T12:40:04 < dongs> yeah now its just gaysoft this trump that
2016-09-27T12:40:14 < dongs> he hasnt even pasted any spacex PCBs lately
2016-09-27T12:40:34 < stvn> trump for the pump
2016-09-27T12:41:02 < stvn> is it Laurenceb's fave>
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2016-09-27T12:54:00 < PeterM> karlp, yeah, reading through recent scrollbacks return2communism's jsut spurting mroe and more shit
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2016-09-27T13:19:45 < kakimir> when to add PFC switching regulator to appliance?
2016-09-27T13:20:54 < kakimir> is there some laws or so freeing low power applications from using PFC?
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2016-09-27T13:26:13 < PeterM> kakimir, iirc its somehting like less than 50w or 100w are exempt
2016-09-27T13:26:20 < PeterM> but     
2016-09-27T13:27:04 < PeterM> basically, anything with decent output power, or if universal input is required at high pwoer
2016-09-27T13:28:53 < kakimir> how is some thyristor adjust knobs and stuff allowed?
2016-09-27T13:29:01 < kakimir> for lights
2016-09-27T13:29:35 < kakimir> maybe it falls below that limit?
2016-09-27T13:29:43 < PeterM> no     
2016-09-27T13:30:00 < PeterM> because loads are generally resistive
2016-09-27T13:30:12 < PeterM> resistive loads have perfect pwoerfactor
2016-09-27T13:30:23 < PeterM> even if ac wave is cut up
2016-09-27T13:30:31 < PeterM> the current drawn is proportional to votlage
2016-09-27T13:30:41 < kakimir> ok     
2016-09-27T13:31:34 < PeterM> pfc is for non resistive loads, or non matched reactive loads
2016-09-27T13:33:44 < kakimir> I wonder if thyristor switching is visible in main transmission lines voltage
2016-09-27T13:36:59 < PeterM> doubtful
2016-09-27T13:38:20 < kakimir> some big ass ovens and stuff take 50% of electricity anyways
2016-09-27T13:38:28 < kakimir> arc furnaces
2016-09-27T13:44:25 < qyx> kakimir: yes, there are some, at least in the EU
2016-09-27T13:47:39 < PeterM> http://www.olfer.com/articulos_electronica/normaEN61000_gb.html
2016-09-27T13:47:55 < PeterM> > iirc its somehting like less than 50w or 100w are exempt
2016-09-27T13:48:05 < PeterM> applies to devices >75w
2016-09-27T13:48:10 < PeterM> there you go
2016-09-27T13:49:09 < kakimir> trick is to make appliance consume more than 1000W
2016-09-27T13:49:25 < kakimir> and get freed from limitations
2016-09-27T13:50:11 < PeterM> no, you just fall into different category
2016-09-27T13:50:17 < kakimir> do muricans force this regulation?
2016-09-27T13:50:36 < PeterM> iirc most places do, i know aus does and .ca
2016-09-27T13:50:48 < PeterM> i am not sure of US though
2016-09-27T13:51:06 < PeterM> power levels may be different though
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2016-09-27T14:11:16 < qyx> also there were some differences for lighing
2016-09-27T14:11:22 < qyx> *lghting
2016-09-27T14:21:51 < karlp> heh, defcon slides on defenses against mouse jigglers, totally assumes that hid devices are... hid devices.  so much for all those serial and fw update hacks via hid.
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2016-09-27T14:21:56 < Laurenceb__> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/14b8ff2ac2a72db187e3b4be5cbfbd1290a09519b65f9ce1f1e72d7b5a6c2303.png
2016-09-27T14:22:06 < karlp> proposes locking screen on user plugin of new hid devices :)
2016-09-27T14:24:14 < karlp> heh, someone actually used the ftdi VNC demo board!
2016-09-27T14:29:43 < kakimir> how to change forward voltage of diode in ltspice?
2016-09-27T14:29:55 < Laurenceb__> rewrite the model file
2016-09-27T14:30:09 < kakimir> sucks balls
2016-09-27T14:30:23 < Laurenceb__> found dongs
2016-09-27T14:30:38 < Laurenceb__> https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9703757&cid=52968325
2016-09-27T14:35:20 < dongs> haha
2016-09-27T14:35:25 < dongs> did shasldotr add "GNAA" as filterword
2016-09-27T14:35:26 < dongs> for posting
2016-09-27T14:37:14 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDJiG3FFaHI
2016-09-27T14:37:16 < dongs> haha
2016-09-27T14:38:00 < Laurenceb__> great, great, tablet, mexico will pay for the tablet
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2016-09-27T15:36:55 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/BNR77v98.html lol...
2016-09-27T15:41:17 < dongs> I guess these guys never heard of / and %
2016-09-27T15:41:46 < karlp> wat?
2016-09-27T15:41:56 < dongs> karlp: it gets hours + minutes out of minutes..
2016-09-27T15:42:09 < karlp> never heard of -= either.
2016-09-27T15:42:22 < dongs> haha
2016-09-27T15:42:48 < karlp> dontchaknow, % has a negative performance impact!
2016-09-27T15:43:00 < karlp> and division is always slow, even you should know that!
2016-09-27T15:43:05 < dongs> snort
2016-09-27T15:43:09 < dongs> as slow as a for loop??
2016-09-27T15:43:30 < karlp> never measure, always assume based on prior cargo delivered from the skies.
2016-09-27T15:44:25 < karlp> today's fun, realising that a a key/value file can be parsed not  just by sourceing it in shell and then echo $KEY, but _also_ by lua dofile()!
2016-09-27T15:44:48 < karlp> (as long as it was quoted for the shell already)
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2016-09-27T15:49:36 < Laurenceb__> I feel stupider after watching the presidential debate
2016-09-27T15:50:57 < Laurenceb__> when they got into personal shit flinging match and crowd was encouraging them I was facepalming hard
2016-09-27T15:51:15 < Laurenceb__> 4chan /b/ tier debate
2016-09-27T15:52:17 < karlp> what were you expecting?
2016-09-27T15:53:10 < Laurenceb__> lul     
2016-09-27T15:53:23 < Laurenceb__> well I was hoping for a clear victory either way
2016-09-27T15:53:41 < Laurenceb__> that shit debate won't change anyones opinions
2016-09-27T15:54:40 < Steffann> What did you expect?
2016-09-27T15:55:02 < Steffann> Hopig != expecting ;)
2016-09-27T15:55:07 < Steffann> Hoping
2016-09-27T15:55:38 < Steffann> Isnt throwing shit 99.9% of the things they can do?
2016-09-27T15:56:23 < Steffann> Dont tell me you got popcorn for a very serious debate.
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2016-09-27T16:25:40 < dongs> https://vitrolight.en.alibaba.com/productgrouplist-221253599/Stretched_Bar_LCD_Product.html o shitt
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2016-09-27T16:39:11 < karlp> 1920x268?!
2016-09-27T16:39:17 < karlp> yech
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2016-09-27T17:01:14 < Thorn> Experienced staffs answer all your questions in professional and fluent English.
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2016-09-27T17:35:25 < karlp> close enoughs
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2016-09-27T17:39:32 < Laurenceb__> karlp: widescreen is the future
2016-09-27T17:39:46 < Laurenceb__> Trump reminds me of my dad :-S
2016-09-27T17:40:08 < karlp> that's not wide, it's normal, just short.
2016-09-27T17:40:22 < dongs> youre looking at it wrong
2016-09-27T17:41:07 < Steffanx> Is 53% of what your dad says also wrong, laurenceb__?
2016-09-27T17:41:25 < Laurenceb__> lul     
2016-09-27T17:41:40 < Steffanx> Pro fact checkers checked all crap they said during the debate -_-
2016-09-27T17:41:51 < Laurenceb__> he randomly rings me up and starts ranting incoherently
2016-09-27T17:41:59 < Laurenceb__> in murican accent
2016-09-27T17:42:29 < Laurenceb__> but he hates Trump so now I know how to troll him
2016-09-27T17:42:46 < Steffanx> Hah. Drugs much.
2016-09-27T17:43:23 < Laurenceb__> yeah he is usually high on random shit
2016-09-27T17:43:50 < Steffanx> Soon he will join ##stm32 and troll you.
2016-09-27T17:44:20 < Steffanx> Is your dad hipster or something? Or is he just doing his own american dream.
2016-09-27T17:44:47 < Laurenceb__> he is a druggie who lives in Mexico, think McAfee
2016-09-27T17:44:51 < Steffanx> Or is it more a midlife crisis? 
2016-09-27T17:44:59 < Steffanx> Does he drive a cabrio?
2016-09-27T17:45:14 < Laurenceb__> he drives a pick up
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2016-09-27T17:45:36 < Steffanx> Murica
2016-09-27T17:45:42 < Laurenceb__> last year he crashed it whilst high and killed a Russian hooker :-S
2016-09-27T17:46:22 < Steffanx> Im not sure what to think anymore. Trolled?
2016-09-27T17:46:42 < Laurenceb__> she was on the back seat with no seatbelt :-/
2016-09-27T17:47:05 < Laurenceb__> yeah my family is dangerously insane
2016-09-27T17:47:44 < Steffanx> Didnt you have plans to move to murica as well?
2016-09-27T17:47:51 < Laurenceb__> maybe...
2016-09-27T17:48:04 < Laurenceb__> I'm not sure there are any decent jobs there
2016-09-27T17:48:18 < Laurenceb__> maybe work for Spacex lol, but then I'd have to live in LA O_o
2016-09-27T17:48:41 < Laurenceb__> just as many if not more good engineering jobs in UK
2016-09-27T17:48:45 < Steffanx> Yes. Youll die from an std there probably
2016-09-27T17:48:51 < Laurenceb__> lul     
2016-09-27T17:49:30 < Laurenceb__> probably if I got mixed up with my murican relatives
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2016-09-27T18:14:47 < kakimir> a bit jelly
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2016-09-27T18:15:47 < kakimir> but LA costs a shittonne of moneys to live?
2016-09-27T18:15:51  * Laurenceb__ is getting confused by reinforced concrete
2016-09-27T18:16:07 < Laurenceb__> LA is a smog and mexican gangster infested shithole
2016-09-27T18:16:15 < Laurenceb__> I'd literally rather live in Mexico
2016-09-27T18:16:45 < Laurenceb__> reinforced concrete relies on thickness of concrete to keep oxygen away from the steel?
2016-09-27T18:16:59 < Laurenceb__> so expanding bolts etc are a bad idea?
2016-09-27T18:17:14 < kakimir> they use stainless steel for industry
2016-09-27T18:17:28 < kakimir> harsh environments
2016-09-27T18:17:50 < Laurenceb__> yeah but I'm worried about oxygen killing the concrete
2016-09-27T18:17:59 < Laurenceb__> it's part of my mums house lulz
2016-09-27T18:18:17 < kakimir> if there is no cracks and stuff it should be okay
2016-09-27T18:18:22 < Laurenceb__> lolno
2016-09-27T18:18:27 < Laurenceb__> its cracking to shit
2016-09-27T18:18:51 < kakimir> then the steel bars are to be melted
2016-09-27T18:18:56 < kakimir> into rust
2016-09-27T18:18:57 < Laurenceb__> I'm planning to reinforce it with steel before the front of the house falls down
2016-09-27T18:19:31 < kakimir> it doesn't have reinforcement in the first place?
2016-09-27T18:19:37 < Laurenceb__> I was thinking of using expanding bolts at one point, then decided that will just make the cracking worse
2016-09-27T18:19:47 < Laurenceb__> yeah it has reinforcement, thats corroding
2016-09-27T18:20:14 < Laurenceb__> I think stainless bar epoxied into the concrete is a good plan?
2016-09-27T18:20:43  * Laurenceb__ was quoted over UKP4k for repairs by pro company
2016-09-27T18:20:47 < Laurenceb__> trying to save money
2016-09-27T18:21:57 < Laurenceb__> I suspect that some of the original steel was placed too close to edge of the concrete, and thats why its failing
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2016-09-27T18:22:16 < Laurenceb__> if thats the case any unsealed holes are only going to make the problem worse
2016-09-27T18:22:28 < kakimir> pics of the wall?
2016-09-27T18:23:11 < Laurenceb__> don't have any atm
2016-09-27T18:23:49 < kakimir> if I have nothing but a transformer
2016-09-27T18:23:59 < kakimir> do I need much filtering?
2016-09-27T18:24:10 < kakimir> or just MOV the input and be done?
2016-09-27T18:24:17 < Laurenceb__> https://www.armorthane.com/assets/news/2012/Concrete-patios/Concrete-damage.jpg
2016-09-27T18:24:24 < Laurenceb__> that sort of issue
2016-09-27T18:25:52 < kakimir> I think it requires some point for moisture to enter in the first place
2016-09-27T18:26:02 < kakimir> *moist*
2016-09-27T18:26:34 < kakimir> whole wall is the same way?
2016-09-27T18:26:45 < Laurenceb__> well its a brick wall
2016-09-27T18:27:06 < Laurenceb__> this is a beam holding the wall over front windows
2016-09-27T18:27:36 < Laurenceb__> think I'll use a lot of M5 304 stainless bars
2016-09-27T18:27:55 < Laurenceb__> then matching holes in steel beam that bolts onto the surface
2016-09-27T18:28:00 < kakimir> just jack it up and build a new beam
2016-09-27T18:28:14 < Laurenceb__> lul very simple
2016-09-27T18:28:30 < kakimir> build a new beam next to it
2016-09-27T18:28:33 < kakimir> remove old one
2016-09-27T18:28:42 < Laurenceb__> thats kind of what I'm doing with the steel
2016-09-27T18:29:05 < Laurenceb__> but I'll leave the old one in place as it has wiring and plastering and stuff
2016-09-27T18:29:13 < Laurenceb__> don't want to redo everything 
2016-09-27T18:29:31 < kakimir> that is how you repair old stuff
2016-09-27T18:29:49 < kakimir> just make it last is priority
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2016-09-27T18:42:56 < Laurenceb__> actually these things look like the uber pro option
2016-09-27T18:42:58 < Laurenceb__> http://www.free-instruction-manuals.com/pdf/pa_1524946.pdf
2016-09-27T18:44:58 < karlp> Laurenceb__: rockclimbers tradditonally used expansion bolts, but the "best of the best" is now stainless glueins, like those you linked.
2016-09-27T18:45:25 < Laurenceb__> ok     
2016-09-27T18:45:50 < Laurenceb__> this could be expensive
2016-09-27T18:46:02 < Laurenceb__> but still cheaper than structural engineering company
2016-09-27T18:47:01 < karlp> yes, stainless glueins are expensive. and you'll make a fucking mess at first,
2016-09-27T18:47:18 < karlp> and if you haven't been trained you can fuck up the glues and make them shitty
2016-09-27T18:47:41 < kakimir> there is such glue that sticks into concete 
2016-09-27T18:47:49 < kakimir> chemical concrete
2016-09-27T18:48:09 < kakimir> you can butt them bolts into holes with that
2016-09-27T18:56:15 < Ecco> Hmm     
2016-09-27T18:56:26 < Ecco> I can't figure out how to increase the CPU freq on an STM32
2016-09-27T18:56:44 < Ecco> The clock tree is awfully complicated!
2016-09-27T18:57:39 < Ecco> If I understand it right, the CPU freq derives from SYSCLK
2016-09-27T18:57:44 < Ecco> which, by default, comes from HSI
2016-09-27T18:58:45 < Ecco> Apparently there are easy ways to prescale HSI (i.e. divide it)
2016-09-27T18:58:54 < kakimir> stop being confused
2016-09-27T18:59:00 < Ecco> :-D     
2016-09-27T18:59:20 < Ecco> Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong
2016-09-27T18:59:25 < Ecco> To get a faster clock
2016-09-27T18:59:28 < Ecco> HSI goes into the PLL
2016-09-27T18:59:29 < kakimir> go thru the blocks and it's simple
2016-09-27T18:59:41 < Ecco> and SYSCLK derives from the PLL
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2016-09-27T19:14:10 < dongs> there's a fucking excel file
2016-09-27T19:14:13 < dongs> that you click shit in
2016-09-27T19:14:18 < dongs> and it makes system.c for you to include
2016-09-27T19:14:20 < dongs> just use that.
2016-09-27T19:14:24 < dongs> or equivalent shit in cube
2016-09-27T19:16:20 < Laurenceb__> oh god excel
2016-09-27T19:16:25 < Laurenceb__> not even once
2016-09-27T19:16:40 < Laurenceb__> I seriously don't understand why anyone uses it
2016-09-27T19:17:03 < Laurenceb__> if you want to do simple shit in a nasty way use matlab
2016-09-27T19:23:16 < karlp> when you share your st provided clock generation tool bsed on matlab, sure 
2016-09-27T19:24:09 < Steffanx> You can do GUIs in matlab right?
2016-09-27T19:24:28 < Laurenceb__> yes     
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2016-09-27T20:22:16 < Laurenceb__> lul Musk fanboys are going crazy
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2016-09-27T20:25:20 < dongs> zyp, after st-dfu is there some "last" packet that can tell it to jump to app?
2016-09-27T20:26:56 < Laurenceb__> lul r/SpaceXMasterrace/ exists
2016-09-27T20:27:03 < Laurenceb__> Musk is the new Trump
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2016-09-27T20:30:16 < gxti> musk actually does things though. sometimes they're stupid but they're at least unique.
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2016-09-27T20:38:15 < Steffanx> Rob235: it's indeed terrible the amount of errors in that fatfs diskio file.. 
2016-09-27T20:39:03 < Steffanx> its even funny because its the same error over and over again, reslut, nmuber
2016-09-27T20:39:09 < Laurenceb__> gxti: I meant the silly fanboys
2016-09-27T20:39:17 < Laurenceb__> but yeah he does do original ideas
2016-09-27T20:39:22 < Laurenceb__> pity most of them are stupid
2016-09-27T20:40:09 < gxti> at least musk fanboys don't, when challenged on it, laugh it off as being "le ironic"
2016-09-27T20:40:33 < gxti> although the fact that spacexmasterrace exists might suggest a few do anyway
2016-09-27T20:41:31 < gxti> he excreted out hyperloop knowing it's a dumb idea and also knowing fanboys would talk about it for years
2016-09-27T20:43:21 < Laurenceb__> also tesla powerwall
2016-09-27T20:44:12 < gxti> powerwall is disappointing in many ways but it's not a bad idea at least
2016-09-27T20:44:41 < Laurenceb__> the economics are fruitcake
2016-09-27T20:45:11 < Laurenceb__> as opposed to hyperloop where everything about it is unhinged
2016-09-27T20:45:24 < gxti> literally everything
2016-09-27T20:46:18 < Laurenceb__> yup even the equations in the white paper are fudged
2016-09-27T20:46:21 < Laurenceb__> emdrive style
2016-09-27T20:46:33 < gxti> no wai emdrive is legit you're just a hater
2016-09-27T20:46:40 < Laurenceb__> lul     
2016-09-27T20:46:46 < Laurenceb__> eestor is also legit
2016-09-27T20:46:48 < Laurenceb__> and Rossi
2016-09-27T20:46:53 < gxti> nasa said it was real
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2016-09-27T20:47:29 < Laurenceb__> http://phys.org/news/2012-07-scientists-nasa-arsenic-life-untrue.html
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2016-09-27T20:49:20 < Laurenceb__> but hey I'm the one implicated in the forthcoming CRT controversy
2016-09-27T20:49:41 < Laurenceb__> people in glass houses etc. ...
2016-09-27T20:50:06 < sync> 0o     
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2016-09-27T20:50:33 < aandrew> CRT controversy?
2016-09-27T20:50:41  * Laurenceb__ is contemplating preempting any papers by publishing his own
2016-09-27T20:50:47 < Laurenceb__> Capillary Refill Timing
2016-09-27T20:50:58 < Laurenceb__> its snake oil bullshit
2016-09-27T20:51:24 < Laurenceb__> http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/35137/ <- check name :-(
2016-09-27T20:51:51 < Laurenceb__> scientific merit level: emdrive
2016-09-27T20:52:46 < Laurenceb__> Capillary refill time (CRT) is a bullshit "means of cardiovascular assessment"
2016-09-27T20:53:21 < sync> wat     
2016-09-27T20:53:43 < Laurenceb__> it's bullshit and I have the data to prove it
2016-09-27T20:54:14 < Laurenceb__> which is kind of useful as it means people can stop wasting their time with it
2016-09-27T20:54:29 < Laurenceb__> but the rest of the authors are obsessed with it still
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2016-09-27T20:55:30 < sync>  http://research.gold.ac.uk/11135/ where does this score on your scale?
2016-09-27T20:56:05 < Laurenceb__> haha
2016-09-27T20:56:17 < Laurenceb__> yeah at least I'm not that bad
2016-09-27T20:57:16 < Laurenceb__> thing is, competent cardiovascular experts have all told me that CRT is a waste of time, yet it's still taught in medical courses
2016-09-27T20:57:56 < Laurenceb__> so it looks like _someone_ needs to publish some work calling out the bull
2016-09-27T20:58:12 < sync> doit
2016-09-27T20:58:19 < Steffanx> question is. did you do that mr Laurenceb__
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2016-09-27T20:58:46 < Steffanx> or did you just get your phd on Crappilary?
2016-09-27T20:58:57 < Laurenceb__> lul Crappillary refill
2016-09-27T20:59:16 < Laurenceb__> nah I managed to pretty much avoid CRT in my thesis
2016-09-27T20:59:23 < Laurenceb__> after much rage from my supervisor
2016-09-27T20:59:49 < Laurenceb__> tl;dr
2016-09-27T21:00:01 < Laurenceb__> CRT measures mobility of blood within the capillary bed
2016-09-27T21:00:15 < Laurenceb__> which tells you virtually nothing useful about health
2016-09-27T21:00:43 < sync> well, it tells you that your arteries are not completely clogged
2016-09-27T21:00:57 < Laurenceb__> nope
2016-09-27T21:01:10 < sync> if they are completely clogged nothing would come through
2016-09-27T21:01:12 < Laurenceb__> arteries!=capillary bed
2016-09-27T21:01:18 < sync> but well, your arm would be dead then
2016-09-27T21:01:35 < Laurenceb__> lul     
2016-09-27T21:01:46 < Laurenceb__> CRT doesnt even tell you if your arm is alive
2016-09-27T21:03:06 < Laurenceb__> I wanted to look at heat transport tomography, but my supervisor went full rage and refused to supervise if the entire thesis topic was going to be on thermal stuff :-/
2016-09-27T21:03:56 < sync> wat     
2016-09-27T21:03:57 < Laurenceb__> so it ended up being a load of chapters on different capillary bed flow measurement methods
2016-09-27T21:04:12 < Laurenceb__> well - it was a funded research project
2016-09-27T21:04:37 < Laurenceb__> so changes in topic had to be agreed by everyone
2016-09-27T21:04:40 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__ on the internet you would have been entirely: fuck you. 
2016-09-27T21:05:01 < Steffanx> Better learn how to do that in real life.
2016-09-27T21:05:08 < Laurenceb__> lol I guess
2016-09-27T21:05:31 < Steffanx> Don't forget to bring you phone and suddenly show people a goatse picture in the middle of a conversation.
2016-09-27T21:05:37 < Laurenceb__> haha
2016-09-27T21:05:56 < Laurenceb__> I still think there are loads of cool unexpored things that can be done with thermal tomography
2016-09-27T21:06:01 < Laurenceb__> e.g. finding tumours
2016-09-27T21:07:51 < sync> how does it work?
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2016-09-27T21:10:25 < Laurenceb__> its v v slow but for some applications that doesnt matter
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2016-09-27T21:10:26 < Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/780831628104966144
2016-09-27T21:10:26 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
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2016-09-27T21:10:29 < Laurenceb__> wut it looks like minishuttle
2016-09-27T21:10:29 < Laurenceb__> this is very mad
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2016-09-27T21:10:48 < Laurenceb__> thermal tomography?
2016-09-27T21:10:58 < sync> yes     
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2016-09-27T21:11:08 < Laurenceb__> surface temperature + thermal flux using some sort of thermal garments
2016-09-27T21:11:14 < Laurenceb__> then lots of inversion
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2016-09-27T21:15:14 < Laurenceb__> lulthe video
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2016-09-27T21:15:18 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0qo78R_yYFA
2016-09-27T21:15:23 < Laurenceb__> colonise mars
2016-09-27T21:15:26 < Laurenceb__> just like that
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2016-09-27T21:15:41 < Laurenceb__> 42 engines O_o
2016-09-27T21:20:13 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, looking at those pictures karlp posted about smartscope: they have max19506 2-ch ADC there.
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2016-09-27T21:21:03 < LeelooMinai> It's 100Msps, 8-bit, but looking at the prices it's like $10 per one - that's pretty cheap.
2016-09-27T21:21:27 < LeelooMinai> Thought those things are more expensive.
2016-09-27T21:21:37 < sync> nah, not anymore
2016-09-27T21:22:08 < LeelooMinai> Still, if I was making something around ADC nowadays, I would use more than 8-bit
2016-09-27T21:22:26 < Laurenceb__> 14,000 tonnes O_o
2016-09-27T21:22:34 < LeelooMinai> It's pretty cool to have more vertical resolution
2016-09-27T21:22:56 < LeelooMinai> I think big scope makers move in that direction too
2016-09-27T21:23:04 < sync> yeah, but you need it suprisingly seldom
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2016-09-27T21:23:34 < LeelooMinai> I guess depends on what your projects are.
2016-09-27T21:23:37 < Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/lukealization/status/780835012820119552
2016-09-27T21:23:43 < Laurenceb__> they have more women?
2016-09-27T21:24:33 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb__: What is this about you and SpaceX/rockets? :)
2016-09-27T21:24:49 < LeelooMinai> You want to fly to Mars or something?
2016-09-27T21:24:50 < Laurenceb__> I dunno lol
2016-09-27T21:24:53 < sync> well, when was the last time you wanted more vertical resolution out of your scope?
2016-09-27T21:24:58 < Laurenceb__> internets are going crazy atm
2016-09-27T21:25:13 < Laurenceb__> Musk will be delivering to fanboys in 4 minutes
2016-09-27T21:25:24 < LeelooMinai> sync: Yesterday? :p But I wanted more of a hig-res datalogger-like scenario.
2016-09-27T21:25:32 < BrainDamage> the real advantage of more res is if you want to fft shit with your scope
2016-09-27T21:28:58 < sync> yup, but that's not too often tho
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2016-09-27T21:29:33 < LeelooMinai> Well, what if you want to see the signal that has large DC offset, but don't want to use AC coupling
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2016-09-27T21:29:59 < Laurenceb__> webcast starting
2016-09-27T21:30:00 < Laurenceb__> https://youtu.be/A1YxNYiyALg
2016-09-27T21:30:04 < Laurenceb__> <SpaceCookie> ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod
2016-09-27T21:30:05 < Laurenceb__> typical reaction
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2016-09-27T21:31:11 < LeelooMinai> lol @ "Making Humans a Multiplanetary Species"... How about they grow up from the Monkey With An Oversized Brain stage.
2016-09-27T21:32:31 < LeelooMinai> O, got my ebay LEDs - maybe I will fix key highlighting on my keyboard finally.
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2016-09-27T21:33:06 < Laurenceb__> Trump I mean Musk had overinflated titles, never saw that one coming
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2016-09-27T21:37:48 < Laurenceb__> SSV_Normandy> THere's one thing r/The_Donald and SpaceXmasterrace have in common--both full of shit posters
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2016-09-27T21:38:42 < sync> dem lags
2016-09-27T21:39:02 < Steffanx> trollware. 
2016-09-27T21:39:23 < Laurenceb__> we come to mars to troll
2016-09-27T21:39:23 < Laurenceb__> lul 15 minutes late already
2016-09-27T21:39:23 < Laurenceb__> when even your CGI presentation is running late it doesnt look good
2016-09-27T21:39:30 < Laurenceb__>  "we will go to mars when we have fixed the projector"
2016-09-27T21:42:46 < Steffanx> there is some presentation Laurenceb__? linky if so?
2016-09-27T21:42:58 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YxNYiyALg&feature=youtu.be
2016-09-27T21:43:03 < Laurenceb__> they are fixing their shit
2016-09-27T21:43:07 < Laurenceb__> presentation "soon"
2016-09-27T21:43:26 < Laurenceb__> not sure if presentation or falcon 9 heavy launch :P
2016-09-27T21:43:37 < LeelooMinai> Well, radio waves take some time to reach Earth from Mars, so the delay is expected
2016-09-27T21:44:16 < sync> inb4 space elevator
2016-09-27T21:44:21 < Laurenceb__> title reads like it was written by Trump
2016-09-27T21:44:37 < LeelooMinai> No, it does not - too difficult words
2016-09-27T21:44:41 < Steffanx> 53% bullshit?
2016-09-27T21:44:49 < Laurenceb__> moar liek 99%
2016-09-27T21:45:27 < Steffanx> nah, trump is 53%
2016-09-27T21:45:52 < Laurenceb__> Musk is more full of BS than Trump
2016-09-27T21:46:00 < LeelooMinai> Trump version would be "America Will Hava Many Many Tremendous Planets"
2016-09-27T21:46:15 < Laurenceb__> of course my published work is 100% bullshit
2016-09-27T21:46:25 < Laurenceb__> so I'm the worst
2016-09-27T21:48:31 < LeelooMinai> Ok, now I shall attempt to calibrate my ADLM1000, as per instructions 
2016-09-27T21:49:24 < LeelooMinai> Using Chinese DMM
2016-09-27T21:50:56 < Steffanx> Better not waste your time?
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2016-09-27T21:51:43 < kuba> badger
2016-09-27T21:51:44 < LeelooMinai> Nah, seems still worth it - at least if I trust the DMM specs
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2016-09-27T21:55:52 < Steffanx> You better change your nick LeelooMinai. My client colours your nick and Laurenceb__ the same purple. 
2016-09-27T21:55:57 < Steffanx> Confuses me.
2016-09-27T21:56:21 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: Tell that to Laurenceb__ :p
2016-09-27T21:57:00 < Laurenceb__> lul #spacex on esper
2016-09-27T21:57:09 < Laurenceb__> seems to be full of channers
2016-09-27T21:57:26 < Laurenceb__> prob applies to esper in general
2016-09-27T21:59:55 < LeelooMinai> lol @ the accent
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2016-09-27T22:03:10 < Steffanx> not worse then ##stm32 englishman
2016-09-27T22:03:17 < Steffanx> Better get some stroopwafels.
2016-09-27T22:03:34 < Laurenceb__> he makes Trump look like master pro presenter
2016-09-27T22:04:04 < Laurenceb__> erm erm p p p p p-planmtary
2016-09-27T22:04:54 < Steffanx> reminds me of this pro presenter: https://youtu.be/erwtQFfFNTQ?t=12s
2016-09-27T22:11:24 < Steffanx> Hello englishman. How are you today?
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2016-09-27T22:11:58 < Steffanx> Box in the ground "rid" or .. ?
2016-09-27T22:12:03 < Laurenceb__> lul     
2016-09-27T22:12:37 < Fleck> ;p     
2016-09-27T22:13:12 < Steffanx> No ads in ##stm32 please.
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2016-09-27T22:14:11 < Steffanx> What kind of cat is this englishman?
2016-09-27T22:14:20 < Steffanx> (except for one on 4 legs with a tail etc. )
2016-09-27T22:14:29 < Steffanx> and male.
2016-09-27T22:15:06 < Steffanx> "i dont know" was also an acceptable answer.
2016-09-27T22:17:48 < LeelooMinai> It's like my cat - seems it's a Nebelung
2016-09-27T22:18:29 < LeelooMinai> So a mix of a Russian Blue with longer hair cat
2016-09-27T22:19:32 < Steffanx> Damn EA games. How hard can it be to do a refund. And their contact stuff doesnt work at all.
2016-09-27T22:19:37 < LeelooMinai> Well, you know, those behavioural traits are not set in stone
2016-09-27T22:21:53 < LeelooMinai> Everything matches - the furr, the tail, etc.
2016-09-27T22:22:19 < Thorn> they can't refuel shit on the ground without a kaboom and they want to refuel in orbit
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2016-09-27T22:25:48 < LeelooMinai> Great, now he wants to build 1000 ships with 200 passengers per trip
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2016-09-27T22:26:15 < LeelooMinai> "In some ways it's not that complicated really"... right...
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2016-09-27T22:27:37 < Steffanx> It's not rocket science :)
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2016-09-27T22:27:56 < LeelooMinai> You named that cat dongs? :/
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2016-09-27T22:28:47 < LeelooMinai> My cat is names Pixi, but full name is Pixus Diabolus Maximus (which I found later)
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2016-09-27T22:29:58 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, he is really serious with that Mars colonization plan, isn't he...
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2016-09-27T22:35:10 < sync>  http://spaceflight101.com/spacex-rocket-parts-rain-down-over-indonesia/ they should charge him for littering
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2016-09-27T22:38:17 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, they have some stuff already build and being tested for this - pretty impressive
2016-09-27T22:39:29 < BrainDamage> remember also they are only providing the transport, they aren't considering at all the logicists and economy of the residency
2016-09-27T22:39:53 < LeelooMinai> Well, maybe someone else will work on that
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2016-09-27T22:45:04 < Laurenceb__> holy shit 450t to mars
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2016-09-27T22:49:52 < Laurenceb__> lulwut water mining
2016-09-27T22:49:58 < Laurenceb__> ur doing it wrong
2016-09-27T22:50:02 < Laurenceb__> typical Musk
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2016-09-27T22:57:01 < Steffanx> kakimir, i remember you nick wasn't kakimir before. What was it before that?
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2016-09-27T22:59:34 < Steffanx> oh kakeman.
2016-09-27T22:59:51 < Laurenceb__> race war now
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2016-09-27T23:00:24 < Steffanx> Ever tried to contact EA, R2COM?
2016-09-27T23:00:56 < Steffanx> "Thanks for Contacting EA!" is all i get. Like 99.9% of the other people trying to do the same, it seems.
2016-09-27T23:01:41 < Steffanx> i want a f-ing refund, but .. they fail to do so.
2016-09-27T23:02:10 < Rob235> ugh, what a waste of a day
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2016-09-27T23:02:23 < Steffanx> yes     
2016-09-27T23:02:32 < Steffanx> Back to bed Rob235? :)
2016-09-27T23:02:53 < Rob235> heh, its only 4, maybe in an hour ;P
2016-09-27T23:04:55 < BrainDamage> >from nasaspaceflight.com
2016-09-27T23:05:38 < Laurenceb__> lul nasaspaceflight
2016-09-27T23:07:17 < Steffanx> dusty shit storm, sounds cool.
2016-09-27T23:08:46 < Laurenceb__> holy shit the tank
2016-09-27T23:09:49 < Steffanx> is your internet delay by 5 minutes Laurenceb__?
2016-09-27T23:09:56 < Steffanx> *delayed
2016-09-27T23:09:58 < Laurenceb__> yes     
2016-09-27T23:10:13 < BrainDamage> i had the same problem
2016-09-27T23:10:22 < LeelooMinai> He is already on Mars
2016-09-27T23:10:26 < Laurenceb__> had to pause cuz distractions
2016-09-27T23:14:41 < Laurenceb__> burning man go home
2016-09-27T23:17:06 < kakimir> my lab is si bad my friend went into psychosis just by visiting
2016-09-27T23:17:10 < Laurenceb__> audience is horrific
2016-09-27T23:17:14 < Laurenceb__> bunch of stoners
2016-09-27T23:17:23 < kakimir> so*     
2016-09-27T23:17:46 < Laurenceb__> audience is like "dude pass the weed"
2016-09-27T23:18:26 < kakimir> laurence do weed?
2016-09-27T23:18:42 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__ is from a druggie dad and mom, so go figure.
2016-09-27T23:19:33 < Rob235> did someone say dab time?
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2016-09-27T23:20:45 < Rob235> time to continue spi shit
2016-09-27T23:21:11 < Steffanx> that fucked up move thing? No thanks Rob235
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2016-09-27T23:21:32 < Rob235> move thing?
2016-09-27T23:22:10 < LeelooMinai> I would not worry about the people wanting to go to Mars...
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2016-09-27T23:22:16 < Rob235> LeelooMinai: where are you from
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2016-09-27T23:22:34 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: I am in Ontario
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2016-09-27T23:22:45 < Rob235> oh ok
2016-09-27T23:22:56 < kakimir> Steffanx do weed?
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2016-09-27T23:23:15 < Steffanx> lolno.
2016-09-27T23:23:17 < Rob235> no one does weed, its bad for you kak
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2016-09-27T23:23:25 < Laurenceb__> haha #spacex on espernet is trolling the shit out of the audience
2016-09-27T23:23:25 < Laurenceb__> the polacks have turned up
2016-09-27T23:23:26 < Laurenceb__>  #spacex is full of /pol/ memes
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2016-09-27T23:27:20 < Laurenceb__> why not build the ship on mars
2016-09-27T23:27:25 < Laurenceb__> someone actually asked this
2016-09-27T23:27:27 < Laurenceb__> irl trolls
2016-09-27T23:27:29 < LeelooMinai> lol     
2016-09-27T23:27:39 < Rob235> R2COM: people grow it
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2016-09-27T23:27:44 < Laurenceb__> they went full retard
2016-09-27T23:27:44 < Steffanx> "we" grow it R2COM
2016-09-27T23:28:02 < Steffanx> Yes, but the funny thing. Most of the time that happens illegally.
2016-09-27T23:28:20 < Rob235> i grew a plant last year :)
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2016-09-27T23:29:45 < Steffanx> Also weed isn't strictly legal is the netherlands. 
2016-09-27T23:30:10 < Steffanx> its "tolerated".
2016-09-27T23:30:10 < Steffanx> up to some x amount.
2016-09-27T23:30:45 < Steffanx> Dont know about that.
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2016-09-27T23:31:06 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Becaue not everyone has a dirty mind like you:p
2016-09-27T23:31:30 < Steffanx> i never cared much R2COM. 
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2016-09-27T23:32:05 < Steffanx> but i think its legal as long as it's voluntary.
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2016-09-27T23:32:59 < Laurenceb__> <tom> the special needs school did a field trip today
2016-09-27T23:32:59 < Laurenceb__> accurate
2016-09-27T23:33:01 < Laurenceb__> oh god
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2016-09-27T23:33:17 < Rob235> well then it wouldn't be prostitution... it would be rape
2016-09-27T23:33:18 < Steffanx> the drug thing is weird anyway. When the cops see this: http://www.rollingstoned.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Snow-1.jpg
2016-09-27T23:33:20 < Steffanx> they will certainly pay you a visit
2016-09-27T23:33:39 < Steffanx> As its illegal to grow more thatn x plants
2016-09-27T23:33:43 < Laurenceb__> but elon you said we gunna go to mars
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2016-09-27T23:33:50 < Laurenceb__> why we not at mars already
2016-09-27T23:33:56 < Laurenceb__> my name is elena 
2016-09-27T23:34:01 < Laurenceb__> I want your babies Elon
2016-09-27T23:34:04 < Steffanx> im from russia.
2016-09-27T23:34:17 < LeelooMinai> "I have an electric bus outside, would you like to see it? " ... lol
2016-09-27T23:34:18 < Laurenceb__> hi I'm from the aerospace education alliance
2016-09-27T23:34:27 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__ you are 10 minutes behind now. Better fast forward.
2016-09-27T23:34:27 < Laurenceb__> lulz
2016-09-27T23:34:32 < Laurenceb__> this is beyond parody
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2016-09-27T23:34:42 < Laurenceb__> I know its inly oing to get worse
2016-09-27T23:34:44 < Steffanx> i closed that window 10 minutes ago and i've also heard that talk.
2016-09-27T23:34:47 < Laurenceb__> lul     
2016-09-27T23:35:13 < Laurenceb__> the audience are full Poe
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2016-09-27T23:36:23 < Laurenceb__> englishman: sounds like a question from the conference
2016-09-27T23:37:16 < Laurenceb__> dickgirls are pretty hot
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2016-09-27T23:39:12 < Laurenceb__> we have a dickgirl convention near my house
2016-09-27T23:39:56 < Laurenceb__>  "can I show your my bus"
2016-09-27T23:40:14 < LeelooMinai> You guys seem to talk a lot about those things on this channel - says more about your thoughts than anything else imo:p
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2016-09-27T23:41:22 < LeelooMinai> In reality most people don't care, because why should they.
2016-09-27T23:41:22 < LeelooMinai> You only care if you want to care.
2016-09-27T23:43:42 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Yes, genious, it's dificult to say things without thinking them.
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2016-09-27T23:43:42 < Steffanx> LeelooMinai, sometimes its best to ignore ##stm32 ;)
2016-09-27T23:43:42 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Once in a while is ok, but everyday after day constantly - no, that's not any more
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2016-09-27T23:44:01 < Steffanx> but when you say that like once a day there IS something that attracts you to them, R2COM
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2016-09-27T23:44:07 < Steffanx> why else would you mention that daily?
2016-09-27T23:44:11 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Seriously, just give it a rest - it only sheds a light on your personality, nothing else
2016-09-27T23:44:58 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKqY8sy3nkM
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2016-09-27T23:46:15 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I was giving you a friendly tip
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2016-09-27T23:47:24 < Laurenceb__> apparently the Q&A never happened
2016-09-27T23:47:31 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Learn to logic - I did not say I am your friend, only that it was a friendly tip
2016-09-27T23:48:18 < LeelooMinai> Great then, it was the last one. If you want to go full retard, I cannot stop you.
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2016-09-27T23:52:10 < Laurenceb__> <OCISLY> I just have to take a moment to remind myself that one of the questions was "Wana make out?"  good god...
2016-09-27T23:52:57 < sync> was it? nice
2016-09-27T23:54:03 < BrainDamage> the whole thing was pretty cringeworthy
2016-09-27T23:54:13 < BrainDamage> i was impressed by the straight face
2016-09-27T23:54:17 < Laurenceb__> me too
2016-09-27T23:54:44 < Laurenceb__> I was about to rage at the bus thing, just looked embarrassed for the desperate mexican grrl :P
2016-09-27T23:55:34 < LeelooMinai> If I was Musk, I would ask the guy if his bus can fly to Mars, and if no GTFO:)
2016-09-27T23:56:51 < Laurenceb__> <KLSS> Elon has decided against his mars plan after meeting with general public
2016-09-27T23:57:39 < LeelooMinai> Or decided to send a bunch of monkeys to the Mars on the first mission.
2016-09-27T23:58:39 < Laurenceb__> * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Zucal
2016-09-27T23:58:39 < Laurenceb__> <Freddo> i think todays QA demonstrated better than anything musk could of said, why we have to get the best and brightest off this planet
2016-09-27T23:58:43 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Still at it?  You should see a doctor about your obsessions imo:)
2016-09-27T23:58:48 < kakimir> you mean trained monkeys wearing suits?
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2016-09-28T00:06:42 < kakimir> I was thinking of Laurenceb__ 
2016-09-28T00:12:14 < Thorn> I didn't know Linear has been sold :/
2016-09-28T00:12:43 < kakimir> hmm     
2016-09-28T00:13:10 < kakimir> if linear is now owned by analog does it mean their chips must be 200% price?
2016-09-28T00:13:18 < kakimir> for now on
2016-09-28T00:20:57 < Rob235> digital curve
2016-09-28T00:25:00 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj_8ucS3lMY 1.2M people per square kilometer
2016-09-28T00:27:14 < Thorn> I have a photo book about it somewhere
2016-09-28T00:28:07 < kakimir> It crazy
2016-09-28T00:28:12 < kakimir> only asians can do that
2016-09-28T00:30:15 < kakimir> you can't find yourself into place like that in year 2016
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2016-09-28T00:57:29 < LeelooMinai> Ok, calibrated the M1K. Seems to have 0.4mA or so of noise floor, but it's not too bad: http://i.imgur.com/iCiuLXz.png
2016-09-28T00:58:09 < LeelooMinai> Can clearly see where the processing is and what when sleep/wake up happens.
2016-09-28T00:59:31 < LeelooMinai> Unfortunatelly I have no easy way to compare this to some better equipment waveform.
2016-09-28T00:59:56 < LeelooMinai> Unless I design some board to feed the data into my scope.
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2016-09-28T01:50:18 < stvn> time to feed my babies
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2016-09-28T01:51:41 < Laurenceb__> stvn breeding?
2016-09-28T01:51:46 < stvn> Laurenceb__, https://webmshare.com/xgdVJ
2016-09-28T01:51:51 < Laurenceb__> uh oh
2016-09-28T01:52:12 < stvn> good morning Laurenceb__ 
2016-09-28T01:52:26 < Laurenceb__> did you see the Musk presentation?
2016-09-28T01:52:29 < stvn> no     
2016-09-28T01:52:30 < Laurenceb__> it was truly epin lulz
2016-09-28T01:52:40 < stvn> of course
2016-09-28T01:52:49 < LeelooMinai> Poor cats - probably got heart attack
2016-09-28T01:52:50 < stvn> he has inhaled too many lipo cell fumes
2016-09-28T01:52:56 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YxNYiyALg&feature=youtu.be
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2016-09-28T01:53:02 < Laurenceb__> go to Q&A at end
2016-09-28T01:53:14 < Laurenceb__> <tom> the special needs school did a field trip today
2016-09-28T01:53:27 < kakimir> I'm watching Poppy
2016-09-28T01:53:27 < stvn> cool
2016-09-28T01:53:34 < stvn> i was going to check something
2016-09-28T02:12:30 < stvn> yep     
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2016-09-28T02:30:53 < Laurenceb__> wtf     
2016-09-28T02:31:15 < stvn> and that's heaps sick ayeeee
2016-09-28T02:31:16 < Laurenceb__> bbc news has a special feature on misogamy in online video games livestreaming
2016-09-28T02:31:34 < BrainDamage> did they ask to interview you?
2016-09-28T02:31:39 < stvn> yeah not enough terrorist attacks this week obvs
2016-09-28T02:32:02 < stvn> be a good goy and write we some articles!
2016-09-28T02:32:10 < stvn> *me     
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2016-09-28T03:09:28 < emeb> gamers hate marriage?
2016-09-28T03:10:55 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: which scope do you use?
2016-09-28T03:12:46 < upgrdman> prolly a riglol
2016-09-28T03:14:39 < aandrew> I've got an ancient HP scope with 350MHz analog bandwidth but shitty, shitty digitization capability and also now a cheap MSO5074FG
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2016-09-28T03:26:20 < upgrdman> im using a riglol mso4034
2016-09-28T03:26:30 < upgrdman> and have a riglol ds4014 at home
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2016-09-28T03:41:24 < aandrew> wow, 7k scope
2016-09-28T03:47:29 < Laurenceb__> http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/358153.pdf
2016-09-28T03:51:46 < syke> https://publicintelligence.net/tactical-chat/ 
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2016-09-28T04:54:51 < dongs> hmm I could have sworn I saw something like "keep usart_rx high" type things in AN2606
2016-09-28T04:54:59 < dongs> in order to make sure rom bootloader picks a uart
2016-09-28T04:55:07 < dongs> now i dont see them. hmm
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2016-09-28T05:54:49 < LeelooMinai> Pff. just replaced 20 leds in my kb - what a pita:/
2016-09-28T05:56:16 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: I have poor Rigol ds1052e firmwared to 100MHz
2016-09-28T05:56:49 < LeelooMinai> One day if I win lottery, I will get somehting nicer.
2016-09-28T05:57:16 < aandrew> ... why does your keyboard have lights?
2016-09-28T05:57:41 < LeelooMinai> So I can see what's on it in the dark? 
2016-09-28T05:58:31 < LeelooMinai> The failed and got some crappy batch of blue leds - they die periodically. I replaced 20 with white ones - they look much nicer.
2016-09-28T05:59:25 < LeelooMinai> But had no energy to replace all of them.
2016-09-28T06:04:38 < dongs> ok, cute. after resuming from standby mode F1 shitty SetSysCLock() doesnt turn on PLL
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2016-09-28T06:31:31 < LeelooMinai> lol @ some kickstarters: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/antsylabs/fidget-cube-a-vinyl-desk-toy?ref=home_popular
2016-09-28T06:36:01 < dongs> every funder is an autistic fuck
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2016-09-28T07:17:53 < stvn> it's all good i'm back
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2016-09-28T08:05:11 < stvn> how are they
2016-09-28T08:35:19 < stvn> stonertronics is pumping today
2016-09-28T08:42:56 < stvn> Laurenceb's dad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7OxTxAvvLw
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2016-09-28T11:22:57 < Ecco> Hmm     
2016-09-28T11:23:38 < Ecco> I'musing CubeMX to configure my STM32's clocks. I'm trying to do something rather simple and am getting an error "PLL mux should have HSE input"
2016-09-28T11:26:04 < stvn> and what does that tell you
2016-09-28T11:26:35 < stvn> HSE is high speed external xtal
2016-09-28T11:26:42 < stvn> have you configured the pins for that?
2016-09-28T11:27:05 < Ecco> Well I don't want to use HSE
2016-09-28T11:27:19 < Ecco> I dont need any accurate timing
2016-09-28T11:27:21 < Ecco> HSI is just fine
2016-09-28T11:27:46 < stvn> cool
2016-09-28T11:28:27 < stvn> iirc if you havent done all the prerequisite setup for those things it is likely it'll throw errors 
2016-09-28T11:28:50 < stvn> i can understand a crystal may be out of your budget...
2016-09-28T11:30:20 < stvn> also what are you sticking into the PLL mux
2016-09-28T11:32:18 < stvn> i just smash the fuck out of my stm32 and run it all at full clock speed
2016-09-28T11:32:47 < stvn> i get dongs to grind off a few mm with his cnc and then put a watercooling system on it
2016-09-28T11:33:23 < zyp> which part?
2016-09-28T11:33:47 < zyp> IIRC some parts isn't rated to run at full speed from HSI
2016-09-28T11:34:04 < zyp> IIRC the 72MHz f1 is limited to 64MHz when running from HSI
2016-09-28T11:34:44 < Ecco> oh, ok
2016-09-28T11:34:47 < Ecco> F412
2016-09-28T11:35:36 < Ecco> Also I already have a crystal because I need to do USB DFU
2016-09-28T11:35:46 < Ecco> I'm just not using it in my own firmware though
2016-09-28T11:37:44 < stvn> F4 is for the rich man
2016-09-28T11:37:51 < Ecco> ^^     
2016-09-28T11:38:19 < jpa-> F4 is surprisingly cheap nowadays.. even F7 is
2016-09-28T11:38:22 < Ecco> I think I'm missing something when configuring the PLL
2016-09-28T11:39:03 < Ecco> here's what I do : set PLLQ, set APB1 prescaler, set PLLCFGR to use HSI as input, and then enable PLL in PLL_CR
2016-09-28T11:39:03 < stvn> jpa-, it's a great time to live in
2016-09-28T11:39:46 < stvn> tectu is going to ship me a free f7disco board
2016-09-28T11:40:00 < Ecco> (ok, the reason STMCubeMX complained was because I had enabled the USB OTG pins)
2016-09-28T11:40:28 < stvn> Ecco,  yeah i wouldn't listen to him ;]
2016-09-28T11:40:51 < zyp> Ecco, uh, why not use it if you have it?
2016-09-28T11:41:08 < zyp> sounds dumb as fuck
2016-09-28T11:41:11 < Ecco> zyp: That's a very good question I actually wanted to ask
2016-09-28T11:41:31 < Ecco> In my use case there's barely any upside to having an accurate clock
2016-09-28T11:41:53 < Ecco> and I can see two downsides to using an external oscillator:
2016-09-28T11:42:04 < Ecco> - Using more power
2016-09-28T11:42:13 < Ecco> - Introducing an extra point of failure
2016-09-28T11:42:36 < stvn> an extra point of failure, the fucking crystal.... yeah gets me every time
2016-09-28T11:42:49 < zyp> it's already a point of failure given that you use it for DFU
2016-09-28T11:43:03 < zyp> (and IIRC you can do automatic failover to internal)
2016-09-28T11:43:10 < stvn> of course
2016-09-28T11:43:31 < stvn> why are we giving cuntstomers the luxury of USB DFU?
2016-09-28T11:43:40 < zyp> and if you want to save power, that's not where you start
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2016-09-28T11:44:39 < emeryth> stvn: so you can write shitty firmware and fix it later?
2016-09-28T11:44:59 < stvn> yeah with a $100 service 
2016-09-28T11:46:09 < stvn> my only products are an overglorified rs485 controlled version of blinky
2016-09-28T11:46:42 < Ecco> zyp: thanks, makes a lot of sense
2016-09-28T11:46:56 < Ecco> I forgot another argument : I'm lazy
2016-09-28T11:47:07 < Ecco> what would the user gain from a more accurate frequency?
2016-09-28T11:47:27 < stvn> maybe they can run their audiophile dac off it
2016-09-28T11:47:55 < stvn> sure the pros can chime in here
2016-09-28T11:49:10 < stvn> honestly i can't even recall a board without a crystal oscillator driven MCU
2016-09-28T11:49:18 < stvn> anyone?
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2016-09-28T11:53:59 < dongs> zyp, did you see my dong about DFU?
2016-09-28T11:54:49 < stvn> i'd like to see your dong
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2016-09-28T11:56:12 < dongs> just placed a $157 probemaster order
2016-09-28T11:56:52 < stvn> what do you get for $157
2016-09-28T11:57:42 < dongs> http://probemaster.com/spring-loaded-micro-tip-test-leads-only/
2016-09-28T11:57:42 < dongs> http://probemaster.com/8000-series-test-leads-only/ 60", 8017S model
2016-09-28T11:57:42 < dongs> http://probemaster.com/spring-loaded-micro-tip-test-lead-kit/ (8150)
2016-09-28T11:57:43 < dongs> http://probemaster.com/9104-electronic-deluxe-test-lead-kit/ 9104R - Right Angle Banana Plug
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2016-09-28T12:01:36 < stvn> not bad mr.d
2016-09-28T12:02:11 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/K0QNmti.jpg
2016-09-28T12:02:14 < stvn> the dirty rig
2016-09-28T12:03:53 < zyp> dongs, no
2016-09-28T12:04:29 < PeterM> dongs i'd have gotten crock clip and hook kit with the probes, the crock clips are some of the best ive used
2016-09-28T12:05:13 < stvn> yeah i got some of them, tenma brand tho :((
2016-09-28T12:07:05 < zyp> dongs, when? I don't see anything interesting in backlog
2016-09-28T12:10:00 < stvn> dongy i also scored this for the fat price of $0, did i do good? http://i.imgur.com/OunMwWP.jpg
2016-09-28T12:11:06 < dongs> < dongs> zyp, after st-dfu is there some "last" packet that can tell it to jump to app?
2016-09-28T12:11:34 < dongs> right now when upload finishes it just sits there
2016-09-28T12:11:51 < Ecco> Yeah
2016-09-28T12:11:59 < Ecco> let me find this
2016-09-28T12:12:34 < Ecco> AN3156 page 21
2016-09-28T12:12:53 < dongs> PeterM: i ahve some self-made crocodile clips for the power supply stuff, plus plenty of silicone wire
2016-09-28T12:13:05 < dongs> i hardly ever have any use to croc clip actual probes to stuff
2016-09-28T12:13:06 < Ecco> dongs: basically you can jump anywhere you want
2016-09-28T12:13:18 < Ecco> issue a SetAddressPointer command
2016-09-28T12:13:25 < Ecco> then a Leave DFU one
2016-09-28T12:13:30 < stvn> those ARM chips hey
2016-09-28T12:13:34 < Ecco> and it'll jump to address-pointer+4
2016-09-28T12:13:35 < dongs> yeah thats on-chip dfu. im using their reference code thing. tho i guess should be similar
2016-09-28T12:13:51 < stvn> i'll just stick it in the literal pool mate
2016-09-28T12:13:58 < dongs> The Host sends a DFU_DNLOAD request with 0 data length (no data stage after the
2016-09-28T12:13:59 < dongs> request) in order to inform the device that it will have to exit DFU mode. The device
2016-09-28T12:14:02 < dongs> acknowledges this request if the current state is dfuDNLOAD-IDLE or dfuIDLE.
2016-09-28T12:14:04 < dongs> maybe this'll do
2016-09-28T12:14:27 < Ecco> oh you mean you're doing DFU in your own firmware by using ST-supplied libs?
2016-09-28T12:14:39 < dongs> yeah.
2016-09-28T12:14:43 < Ecco> If that's the case, chances are it's the same logic as in the system ROM
2016-09-28T12:14:58 < Ecco> Can't tell for sure though, but maybe you can look at the source then
2016-09-28T12:15:23 < Ecco> note that you need to send a couple "get status" request
2016-09-28T12:15:27 < Ecco> otherwise nothing happens
2016-09-28T12:17:38 < dongs> ST DFU sample is so fucking full of garbage
2016-09-28T12:17:43 < stvn> why dat son
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2016-09-28T12:22:55 < Ecco> ok apparently I now manage to increase the CPU freq
2016-09-28T12:22:59 < Ecco> but my code crashes pathetically
2016-09-28T12:23:41 < stvn> you crashed stm32?
2016-09-28T12:23:47 < Ecco> :-D     
2016-09-28T12:24:12 < Ecco> oh ok
2016-09-28T12:24:21 < Ecco> I think I need to add some wait states to the flash
2016-09-28T12:24:47 < Ecco> Hmm that's weird though
2016-09-28T12:25:02 < Ecco> cpufreq under 90 MHz -> 3 wait states
2016-09-28T12:25:10 < Ecco> cpu freq over 90 MHz -> 4 wait states
2016-09-28T12:25:16 < Ecco> isn't code going to run much slower then?
2016-09-28T12:25:23 < Ecco> I mean, 90/3 > 100/4
2016-09-28T12:25:57 < stvn> maybe you are pumping too hard
2016-09-28T12:26:13 < Ecco> ?     
2016-09-28T12:26:35 < stvn> do you even pump?
2016-09-28T12:26:43 < Ecco> dude :-D
2016-09-28T12:27:17 < stvn> sorry, my bad
2016-09-28T12:27:18 < zyp> Ecco, wait states on F4 shouldn't impact speed much
2016-09-28T12:27:25 < zyp> since there's a flash cache
2016-09-28T12:27:26 < stvn> are you still trying to configure your MCU
2016-09-28T12:28:22 < stvn> i'm making a new EMC solution with 100 common mode chokes and a metal box
2016-09-28T12:28:24 < zyp> Ecco, remember that flash is 128b wide, and assuming 16b wide instructions, that's 8 instructions per fetch
2016-09-28T12:29:12 < stvn> fetch decode execute that's how we ARM
2016-09-28T12:29:16 < zyp> F4 flash runs at like max 24MHz or something
2016-09-28T12:30:08 < Ecco> zyp: oh, ok
2016-09-28T12:30:13 < Ecco> Interesting, thanks
2016-09-28T12:30:34 < stvn> that may tell you something
2016-09-28T12:30:44 < stvn> accessing that rom is sloooooooooooooow
2016-09-28T12:31:31 < stvn> maybe your stm32f7 can cache the dog
2016-09-28T12:34:00 < stvn> my friend accidentally the whole thing
2016-09-28T12:40:50 < Steffanx> Stop it stvn.
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2016-09-28T12:42:29 < stvn> hi Steffanx 
2016-09-28T13:08:13  * stvn waits for tectu's return
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2016-09-28T14:13:25 < Tectu> sfw: http://www.videoman.gr/en/99782
2016-09-28T14:14:39 < karlp> features:  High compatibility(Win 10 is not compatible)
2016-09-28T14:17:46 < karlp> Tectu: https://media.giphy.com/media/JyjWw4ZLdSPE4/giphy.gif
2016-09-28T14:19:29 < Tectu> :)     
2016-09-28T14:20:20 < BrainDamage> finding the righ angle looks like it'd take quite a bit fiddling
2016-09-28T14:21:37 < karlp> which is why they bothered to video it :)
2016-09-28T14:21:57 < karlp> I wonder if sticky tape is generally approved for paper waste recycling
2016-09-28T14:21:58 < zyp> nice
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2016-09-28T14:35:02 < dongs> huh     
2016-09-28T14:35:05 < dongs> where is paypal on mouser
2016-09-28T14:37:10 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/helppage/#terms wut
2016-09-28T14:37:12 < dongs> paypal is gone?
2016-09-28T14:37:35 < Tectu> gone on swiss mouser too
2016-09-28T14:37:41 < dongs> what  the shit
2016-09-28T14:37:47 < dongs> how am i gonna buy jlink ultra
2016-09-28T14:37:49 < Tectu> actually, I never paid mouser orders by paypal
2016-09-28T14:43:14 < sync> I did
2016-09-28T14:43:17 < sync> hmm     
2016-09-28T14:45:03 < dongs> hmm according to web.archive paypal was never on thier terms page
2016-09-28T14:45:07 < dongs> what teh fuckkkk
2016-09-28T14:45:25 < dongs> on the other hand, i see jlink ultra from some pole seller for 600 eur
2016-09-28T14:45:31 < dongs> whcih is $100 less than USA version
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2016-09-28T14:54:01 < dongs> k sent poles email
2016-09-28T14:54:09 < dongs> this is ridiculous
2016-09-28T14:59:58 < Steffanx> Arent you money rich?
2016-09-28T15:00:12 < dongs> what does that have anything to do with anything
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2016-09-28T15:05:07 < dongs> mosuer chat is online
2016-09-28T15:05:08 < dongs> time to rage
2016-09-28T15:14:23 < dongs> cute
2016-09-28T15:14:30 < dongs> "our system sees spaces in company name field as a character,and paypal is only allowed for personal accounts"
2016-09-28T15:16:57 < PeterM> wot     
2016-09-28T15:19:26 < Steffanx> Lolol.
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2016-09-28T16:10:11 < Steffanx> I meant that you have more then enough money to bother with polish shops.
2016-09-28T16:10:20 < Steffanx> For just $100
2016-09-28T16:10:37 < Steffanx> Mr dongs.
2016-09-28T16:12:44 < emeryth> plz support polan, they need money to go into space
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2016-09-28T16:19:27 < dongs> hm     
2016-09-28T16:19:32 < dongs> poles say I have to pay vat
2016-09-28T16:19:32 < dongs> wat     
2016-09-28T16:19:36 < dongs> isnt vat for EU trash only
2016-09-28T16:20:04 < dongs> vat-less price is reasonable but with that shit its a ripoff.
2016-09-28T16:20:15 < Thorn> dongs: tme.eu?
2016-09-28T16:20:32 < Thorn> same experience
2016-09-28T16:20:41 < dongs> no, somerandompoles.pl
2016-09-28T16:20:51 < dongs> but i thought shipping OUTSIDE eu i dont need to pay vat.
2016-09-28T16:21:03 < dongs> i c9ould pay some minimal import tax
2016-09-28T16:21:07 < dongs> in USA or JP case
2016-09-28T16:21:12 < Thorn> that's what I thought too
2016-09-28T16:21:15 < dongs> but nothing ridiculous like 20% or wahtever VAT trash
2016-09-28T16:24:55 < karlp> dongs: you don't hve to, but they have to be setup to do the exemption
2016-09-28T16:25:13 < karlp> I've run into it a lot here too, with shops that are too dumb to do vat exempt export
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2016-09-28T16:27:56 < dongs> MIKROKONTROLER.PL
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2016-09-28T16:50:38 < dongs> https://world.taobao.com/item/535833316306.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.8wupjH#detail oh look there's jlink v9 clones
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2016-09-28T16:54:15 < dongs> oh thats a F4 based one
2016-09-28T16:54:24 < dongs> interesting
2016-09-28T16:55:45 < emeb> not cheap
2016-09-28T16:56:01 < dongs> err isnt that liek $15
2016-09-28T16:56:05 < dongs> that is cheap
2016-09-28T16:56:19 < emeb> derp - chinayawn
2016-09-28T16:58:04 < karlp> ooh, nice, my v8 clone is bricked and I'm bored with the ideas of fixing it. maybe I sould try a v9 clone instead :)
2016-09-28T16:58:21 < dongs> haha
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2016-09-28T17:00:02 < Rob235> oi     
2016-09-28T17:00:29 < dongs> hah theres a tag-connect on that thing
2016-09-28T17:01:25 < emeb> by gum
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2016-09-28T17:06:19 < Rob235> hmm 20mph winds, no flyin today
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2016-09-28T17:07:43 < Steffanx> What thing has tagconnect dongs? That clone or real one? (Dont see it on pics)
2016-09-28T17:10:28 < dongs> clone
2016-09-28T17:10:39 < emeb> lower right of the cpu
2016-09-28T17:10:45 < dongs> https://gd2.alicdn.com/bao/uploaded/i2/919364092/TB2532XX8LzQeBjSZFjXXcscpXa_!!919364092.jpg_600x600.jpg
2016-09-28T17:10:48 < dongs> yes     
2016-09-28T17:10:53 < emeb> rows of pads, holes in pcb
2016-09-28T17:11:02 < dongs> maybe thats a cloneconnect
2016-09-28T17:11:10 < dongs> it has a bit more pins than i remember on zyp's board
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2016-09-28T17:12:36 < Steffanx> Oh i thought you meant it comes with a cable that looks like it -_-
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2016-09-28T17:13:14 < zyp> that's a TC2050, I'm using TC2030
2016-09-28T17:13:24 < dongs> oh ok
2016-09-28T17:13:30 < dongs> more jtags?
2016-09-28T17:14:05 < emeb> what's the point of jtag on newer cpus? any functionality that swd doesn't provide?
2016-09-28T17:14:10 < zyp> they're just using the standard 10-pin pinout that you'd use on headers
2016-09-28T17:14:46 < zyp> TC2030-CTX defines a reduced set that only includes the pins you actually need (gnd, vcc, reset, swd, swclk, swo)
2016-09-28T17:15:11 < zyp> there's no pin for tdi so you can only do swd through that, not jtag
2016-09-28T17:15:21 < zyp> so I guess that's why some use a 10-pin pinout instead
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2016-09-28T17:15:50 < zyp> emeb, IIRC there's a boundary scan core too, and I'm not sure that's available when using swd
2016-09-28T17:16:14 < emeb> zyp: ah right. that would be useful in some cases.
2016-09-28T17:16:40 < emeb> although I wonder if anyone actually uses bscan any more. I bet most just go w/ functional tests.
2016-09-28T17:16:54 < zyp> and last I checked, there were not much support for multidrop swd, so it might be easier to use jtag if you want multiple cpus on a single connector
2016-09-28T17:17:28 < zyp> when I dicked around with lpc43xx a couple of years ago, only the main cpu were available through swd, you had to use jtag to debug both
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2016-09-28T17:51:14 < Laurenceb__> I don't really see the point of boundary scan when you can just flash with test code
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2016-09-28T18:04:17 < Thorn> how do you test pins connected to an spi flash using boundary scan?
2016-09-28T18:06:11 < PaulFertser> Thorn: e.g. you can read known flash id by bitbanging those pins
2016-09-28T18:07:52 < Thorn> use boundary scan to bitbang spi? can existing tools do that?
2016-09-28T18:10:15 < Thorn> what about CAN (assume the transceiver has internal loopback mode) or 1-wire or an analog pin connected to some opamps
2016-09-28T18:11:45 < PaulFertser> Thorn: afaict that's mostly possible, yes.
2016-09-28T18:12:02 < PaulFertser> Thorn: regarding analog pins, not sure
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2016-09-28T18:12:25 < Rob235> why oh why does every example use sdio
2016-09-28T18:12:46 < PaulFertser> Thorn: but some special pins that are meant to be used for differential digital communication might have suitable knobs exposed via the boundary scan register.
2016-09-28T18:30:35 < PaulFertser> "Many JTAG-enabled devices with dedicated differential transmitter pin pairs have only one JTAG control cell attached to each pair of transmitter signal pins, so driving one of these pins high will usually result in the paired signal being driven low and vice-versa."
2016-09-28T18:31:19 < PaulFertser> https://www.xjtag.com/support/application-notes/using-xjtag-with-differential-signals/
2016-09-28T18:32:39 < PaulFertser> R2COM: some pro tool for boundary scan
2016-09-28T18:32:57 < karlp> englishman: appeal was partly that it might be less well known to segger tools for blacklisting :)
2016-09-28T18:33:12 < PaulFertser> R2COM: quickly find manufacturing defects even under BGA etc.
2016-09-28T18:34:06 < PaulFertser> englishman: when jlink is used in raw swd or jtag mode it doesn't matter what cortex part is used, so e.g. openocd will handle cortex-m7 just fine.
2016-09-28T18:34:50 < PaulFertser> R2COM: that's for on chip debug for software. But boundary scan is to find hardware defects automatically. After running the test you can be sure everything is layed out and soldered properly.
2016-09-28T18:35:50 < PaulFertser> And btw, you can now use flashrom with jlink, so jlink can be used for in-system SPI flash programming.
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2016-09-28T18:36:42 < PaulFertser> R2COM: that testing you're doing didn't include testing whether your FPGA is fully interconnected with the other parts on board in accordance to the netlist.
2016-09-28T18:37:16 < PaulFertser> englishman: probably they mean it doesn't have parallel trace input? Because ETM is part of the target core, not anything related to adapter.
2016-09-28T18:37:26 < PaulFertser> englishman: you can get ETM traces via SWO
2016-09-28T18:37:48 < PaulFertser> R2COM: how was that testing proving that everything was soldered properly?
2016-09-28T18:37:58 < PaulFertser> And not just the FPGA power and its jtag?
2016-09-28T18:38:31 < PaulFertser> So it's functional testing.
2016-09-28T18:39:05 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I feel I can't explain it any better than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_scan
2016-09-28T18:39:09 < zyp> R2COM, and you're going to test thousands of boards like that?
2016-09-28T18:39:32 < zyp> see, there's the difference
2016-09-28T18:39:57 < zyp> the point of boundary scan is automated testing of boards in volume production
2016-09-28T18:41:44 < zyp> hmm?
2016-09-28T18:44:19 < zyp> yeah, that's what Laurenceb_ argued an hour ago
2016-09-28T18:44:22 < zyp> 16:51:14 < Laurenceb__> I don't really see the point of boundary scan when you can just flash with test code
2016-09-28T18:45:25 < zyp> that's fine with today's microcontrollers where every IO can be used as a GPIO
2016-09-28T18:45:34 < zyp> and the chip itself is easily reprogrammable
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2016-09-28T18:46:06 < zyp> I don't think that was the case when jtag was invented
2016-09-28T18:46:11 < Rob235> why don't you need to implement IOCTL if max and min sector size are the same?
2016-09-28T18:46:17 < Rob235> for fatfs
2016-09-28T18:46:18 < zyp> I mean, it can be used to test chips that's not programmable otherwise
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2016-09-28T19:16:29 < Rob235> what do I fill these up with? :P http://pastebin.com/9y0ghvYU
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2016-09-28T19:32:46 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I do not think there's a specific requirement, you can implement it both with polling and interrupts. You should provide some time source so that it can expire TCP connections, ARP cache etc.
2016-09-28T19:33:06 < KreAture_Zzz> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/When-the-United-States-and-the-Dragon-TLV431-SOT-23-TLV431BSN1T1G-original-authentic-100-from-selling/32735387538.html
2016-09-28T19:33:08 < KreAture_Zzz> wtf ?
2016-09-28T19:33:16 < KreAture_Zzz> "when the united states and the dragon" ?
2016-09-28T19:33:29 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs explain!
2016-09-28T19:33:43 < KreAture_Zzz> you understand these people
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2016-09-28T19:42:19 < KreAture_Zzz> lol     
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2016-09-28T20:00:16 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3CPCtlxOgUY
2016-09-28T20:00:18 < ReadErr> CHINA
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2016-09-28T20:01:16 < KreAture_Zzz> lol     
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2016-09-28T20:09:44 < karlp> great moments in journalism: http://www.electronics-eetimes.com/news/lucibel-and-purelifi-bring-industrial-grade-lifi-market
2016-09-28T20:09:55 < karlp> "The absence of electromagnetic waves ..."
2016-09-28T20:12:32 < KreAture_Zzz> and then some asshat turns off the lights
2016-09-28T20:13:52 < Thorn> >LiFi networks cannot be hacked without a line of sight, making them very secure.
2016-09-28T20:14:05 < Thorn> next defcon: "using mirrors to hack lifi"
2016-09-28T20:16:51 < Rob235> http://pastebin.com/jAKTJuLT
2016-09-28T20:16:55 < Rob235> why is sec >>?
2016-09-28T20:18:25 < Rob235> ohsix: where ya been
2016-09-28T20:18:41 < upgrdman> ohsix, thanks! AND YOURE BACK!
2016-09-28T20:18:44 < Rob235> fun!
2016-09-28T20:19:10 < Rob235> everything good?
2016-09-28T20:19:21 < Steffanx> Everything can't be good.
2016-09-28T20:19:31 < Thorn> wb o6
2016-09-28T20:19:33 < Rob235> nice
2016-09-28T20:20:31 < Steffanx> so what lib die you end up using or did you write something yourself upgrdman?
2016-09-28T20:20:34 < Steffanx> for the charting
2016-09-28T20:20:38 < Rob235> can someone look at that pastebin and tell me if that is correct? I dont understand why sec would be >> ??
2016-09-28T20:20:48 < Steffanx> ( not watched the video yet, so not sure if you mentioned it there )
2016-09-28T20:21:17 < upgrdman> Steffanx, both. i wrote my own line chart lib for when i need to chart lots of lines, and i also use jfreechart for less important stuff
2016-09-28T20:21:32 < Steffanx> but what you used in the video?
2016-09-28T20:21:35 < upgrdman> jfreechart chokes at high res or many data points
2016-09-28T20:21:39 < upgrdman> both were in the video
2016-09-28T20:21:44 < Steffanx> ah     
2016-09-28T20:21:49 < upgrdman> "time domain cached" is what i wrote.
2016-09-28T20:22:01 < upgrdman> "time domain" "freq domain" "histogram" are jfreechart
2016-09-28T20:22:43 < upgrdman> if i end up using this enough, i
2016-09-28T20:22:46 < aandrew> Rob235: how about printing what it does print and what it should print
2016-09-28T20:22:56 < upgrdman> if i end up using this enough, i'll port my chart lib to opengl and make it all opengl
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2016-09-28T20:23:34 < Rob235> because I don't feel like hooking up my drone just to check :P
2016-09-28T20:23:45 < upgrdman> side note, the audio sucked in the video. clipping :( i didnt properly test it before recording, just looked at levels
2016-09-28T20:25:09 < Rob235> what video are we talking about?
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2016-09-28T20:25:59 < Tectu> holy shit, that looks fancy (ugfx alert): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3lXrqpA4oQ
2016-09-28T20:26:36 < Tectu> wb ohsix 
2016-09-28T20:27:14 < Thorn> Tectu: cpu load?
2016-09-28T20:27:42 < Tectu> Thorn, dunno, better ask him. not my thing
2016-09-28T20:27:59 < Tectu> Thorn, but it's an F7 using DMA2D and all that stuff & ugfx itself has been designed to be small & fast
2016-09-28T20:28:09 < Tectu> not that that would answer your question in any way but that's all I can tell
2016-09-28T20:29:30 < upgrdman> ohsix, just a heads up, the software is kinda "beta" right now. theres some quirks that need fixing but its mostly usable now.
2016-09-28T20:29:49 < karlp> upgrdman: did you share it somewhere as a project?
2016-09-28T20:29:53 < upgrdman> yes     
2016-09-28T20:29:56 < upgrdman> shithub
2016-09-28T20:29:59 < upgrdman> one sec
2016-09-28T20:30:18 < upgrdman> https://github.com/farrellf/Telemetry-Viewer
2016-09-28T20:30:24 < Tectu> upgrdman, nice video
2016-09-28T20:30:28 < upgrdman> thx     
2016-09-28T20:30:46 < upgrdman> karlp, dont expect awesome code :)
2016-09-28T20:31:10 < aandrew> wow nice telemtry stuff
2016-09-28T20:31:13 < aandrew> telemetry
2016-09-28T20:31:17 < upgrdman> thx     
2016-09-28T20:31:50 < Rob235> yea upgrdman nice vid
2016-09-28T20:32:43 < karlp> ohsix: there's some nice demos using websockets on esp nodes, works plenty fast.
2016-09-28T20:33:07 < karlp> there's a ws2812 thingy wher eyou can drag across ain interactive html colour picker and have the leds change real time to match
2016-09-28T20:33:29 < Rob235> ohsix: check out the progress: https://youtu.be/QI-EvEFcpMs
2016-09-28T20:34:39 < aandrew> heh     
2016-09-28T20:34:39 < Tectu> Thorn, actually, that is an STM32F4, not F7
2016-09-28T20:34:47 < aandrew> first successful day of flying (leg falls off)
2016-09-28T20:34:52 < Tectu> how's dem props, Rob235 ?
2016-09-28T20:35:02 < Rob235> heh I love the new cf props
2016-09-28T20:35:25 < Tectu> cf = carbon fiber?
2016-09-28T20:35:29 < aandrew> any advantage of 6 props over 4?
2016-09-28T20:35:29 < Rob235> yea     
2016-09-28T20:35:33 < Rob235> stability
2016-09-28T20:35:39 < Tectu> are they molded with the correct shape/angle or can one heat and bend them too?
2016-09-28T20:35:50 < aandrew> it looks like it's modulating the prop speed to control balance (when not gtrying to move in a particular direction)
2016-09-28T20:36:21 < aandrew> what're you using to track the copter in the vid? 
2016-09-28T20:36:35 < Rob235> http://www.ebay.com/itm/301586433307
2016-09-28T20:36:41 < Rob235> those are the props
2016-09-28T20:37:11 < Rob235> what do you mean track the copter?
2016-09-28T20:37:34 < Rob235> my gf is just taking vid on her iphone
2016-09-28T20:37:44 < aandrew> Rob235: she's got a really steady hand
2016-09-28T20:38:28 < aandrew> is the code for that tesla gauge demo avail somewhere?
2016-09-28T20:38:36 < Rob235> I didn't use youtube's correction
2016-09-28T20:38:59 < aandrew> Tectu: ^
2016-09-28T20:39:00 < Rob235> Instead of working on this FatFs stuff that is driving me crazy I'm gonna split my PID loop into two
2016-09-28T20:39:20 < Rob235> might be easier to get stabilized and easier to change flying modes
2016-09-28T20:39:43 < Tectu> aandrew, I'll ask on the forum whether he can share it
2016-09-28T20:39:48 < Tectu> aandrew, I'll keep you posted.
2016-09-28T20:40:38 < Tectu> englishman, :)
2016-09-28T20:40:49 < Tectu> englishman, ugfx can do tons of nice stuff - I just suck at showing that
2016-09-28T20:40:59 < Tectu> stuff like that is always nice to see, also Fleck games
2016-09-28T20:41:02 < Steffanx> Better hire David.
2016-09-28T20:41:19 < Tectu> better flat ;)
2016-09-28T20:41:28 < Thorn> Tectu: holy cow that board is $269
2016-09-28T20:41:45 < Steffanx> Holy cows.. we're not in india Thorn :P
2016-09-28T20:41:48 < Tectu> Thorn, yea, Mikromedia...
2016-09-28T20:42:03 < Tectu> Thorn, just get a $50 F7 discovery and you can run the same demo - faster :p
2016-09-28T20:42:14 < Thorn> anyway I asked him in a comment
2016-09-28T20:42:17 < Tectu> Thorn, but it does WiFi, bluetooth and all that stuff
2016-09-28T20:42:23 < Thorn> yeah I'm planning to get it
2016-09-28T20:43:16 < Tectu> LOOOOOL
2016-09-28T20:43:23 < Thorn> is there a cart to board converter
2016-09-28T20:43:41 < Thorn> inb4 freecancer.com
2016-09-28T20:45:22 < Thorn> iirc f7-disco has many of the same things except wi-fi
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2016-09-28T20:52:37 < Tectu> yes indeed
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2016-09-28T20:59:36 < Rob235> will acetone fuck up carbon fiber?
2016-09-28T21:00:49 < Rob235> poopy
2016-09-28T21:00:59 < Rob235> too bad I'm trying it
2016-09-28T21:11:47 < aandrew> upgrdman: almost done the video. excellent work. I wonder if there's any use in being able to select areas of a time domain graph and use only that subset for all the other graphs (i.e. fft/histogram/etc.) or "snapshotting" that selected area to an output csv file
2016-09-28T21:12:18 < aandrew> upgrdman: actually csv emitting any number of the graphs in the graphed units to a csv file would be handy too
2016-09-28T21:12:23 < aandrew> this is quite the nice little utility!
2016-09-28T21:12:45 < aandrew> too bad I know *zero* about java :-)
2016-09-28T21:13:50 < kakimir> sup bubba
2016-09-28T21:14:21 < kakimir> englishman: do you drink moose blood as a ritual?
2016-09-28T21:14:34 < aandrew> who doesn't?
2016-09-28T21:15:10 < kakimir> d     
2016-09-28T21:16:05 < kakimir> should you mix blood with spirit or just raw?
2016-09-28T21:17:47 < kakimir> from tin bottle from your robin?
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2016-09-28T21:46:42 < kakimir> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vu5B5Rm3Hg 
2016-09-28T21:57:43 < upgrdman> aandrew, ya. agreed. theres a LOT more planned. right now its basically a beta that im sharing publicly.
2016-09-28T21:58:46 < upgrdman> i plan to make it trivial to zoom in on regions, etc. kinda like an oscope.
2016-09-28T21:58:58 < upgrdman> and analyzer specific regions, etc.
2016-09-28T21:59:11 < upgrdman> triggering, etc if i get really bored and feel like writing a bunch of code
2016-09-28T22:19:31 < upgrdman> ya     
2016-09-28T22:19:38 < upgrdman> 5 > 1
2016-09-28T22:19:54 < gxti> wat     
2016-09-28T22:20:08 < gxti> it's ethernet over usb, not usb over ethernet
2016-09-28T22:20:10 < upgrdman> also, you're supposedly an engineer. why are you wasting money on cheap shits
2016-09-28T22:21:02 < upgrdman> so what. pro russian engineer like you should be making $50+/hour, easily
2016-09-28T22:21:39 < upgrdman> i bet the "fuses" in that usb hub are just some 10mil traces on the pcb
2016-09-28T22:22:29 < gxti> real pro EE in action
2016-09-28T22:22:31 < upgrdman> althought TBH, i could really use one of those usb+eth hubs for the $1 pi zero i picked up
2016-09-28T22:22:43 < upgrdman> but i need one with micro usb so i can plug it into the zero
2016-09-28T22:24:25 < gxti> i don't recall you being my supervisor
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2016-09-28T22:33:05 < Steffanx> Damn, why al so bitchy?
2016-09-28T22:33:07 < Steffanx> *all
2016-09-28T22:36:25 < upgrdman> using an stm32f7 to make an internet-connected washing machine. uh. um. http://www.eclipse.org/community/eclipse_newsletter/2016/september/article1.php
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2016-09-28T23:29:32 < kakimir> https://vimeo.com/82527075 scifi short
2016-09-28T23:29:44 < kakimir> ohsix: where had you been?
2016-09-28T23:31:11 < Fleck> kakimir: why?
2016-09-28T23:31:53 < kakimir> no reason
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2016-09-28T23:59:33 < Rob235> Dabby dabby DOO
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2016-09-29T00:01:42 < Laurenceb_> memes have become real
2016-09-29T00:01:52 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37493165
2016-09-29T00:04:53 < aandrew> stm32f7 seems awfully powerful for a washing machine
2016-09-29T00:05:26 < kakimir> is there one inside washing machine?
2016-09-29T00:05:32 < Rob235> how much is a f7 disco?
2016-09-29T00:05:42 < aandrew> $50     
2016-09-29T00:05:46 < kakimir> they are propably running bloaty multiple level of abstraction on it
2016-09-29T00:05:49 < aandrew> I have one
2016-09-29T00:05:52 < kakimir> also iot
2016-09-29T00:05:52 < aandrew> ST sent it to me
2016-09-29T00:05:57 < aandrew> yeah
2016-09-29T00:06:05 < kakimir> it does twitter
2016-09-29T00:06:07 < aandrew> if you look at it it's a micro talking to a micro taking to a micro talking to a micro
2016-09-29T00:06:26 < kakimir> not only one micro?
2016-09-29T00:07:12 < Laurenceb_> lulwut http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/wireless-connectivity/lorawan.html?querycriteria=productId=SC2150&icmp=tt4099_cc_bn_sep2016
2016-09-29T00:07:19 < Laurenceb_> st has truly given up on RF
2016-09-29T00:07:31 < Laurenceb_> they grabbed failRA
2016-09-29T00:07:54 < LeelooMinai> They bought a company a while ago that does those I think
2016-09-29T00:07:57 < kakimir> 15km wut?
2016-09-29T00:08:00 < Laurenceb_> wait wut
2016-09-29T00:08:06 < Laurenceb_> ST owns LoRA?
2016-09-29T00:08:13 < Rob235> whats expo in rate mode
2016-09-29T00:08:20 < LeelooMinai> It's a low-rate high-distance standard - not like bluetooth and similar.
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2016-09-29T00:08:47 < kakimir> slow whispers
2016-09-29T00:09:01 < Laurenceb_> nope semtech is independent
2016-09-29T00:09:07 < Laurenceb_> LoRa fails
2016-09-29T00:09:17 < kakimir> I think I will buy myself an antenna Laurenceb_ 
2016-09-29T00:09:23 < kakimir> SIRIO SD1300N
2016-09-29T00:09:25 < Laurenceb_> https://e2e.ti.com/support/wireless_connectivity/proprietary_sub_1_ghz_simpliciti/f/156/t/343273
2016-09-29T00:09:27 < Laurenceb_> ^this
2016-09-29T00:12:12 < LeelooMinai> well, the botton one suggests that Emtech one is better than TI's solutions, so...?
2016-09-29T00:12:19 < LeelooMinai> Semtech*
2016-09-29T00:13:00 < kakimir> 18bps is enought when you have all time in the worlds
2016-09-29T00:14:08 < LeelooMinai> It's meant mostly for sensors to send limited amount of data.
2016-09-29T00:14:38 < LeelooMinai> Not like you will be streaming HD videos through it.
2016-09-29T00:19:03 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJwZMUn7GdQ
2016-09-29T00:21:05 < LeelooMinai> I wonder why he has a road trial bike helmet on...
2016-09-29T00:21:36 < karlp> Laurenceb_: I know you hate lora, but it seem sot be getting more and more love, must have had a few industry make big buys who now _must_ recoup
2016-09-29T00:21:53 < karlp> lte-nb looks kinda neat, if you want the distance
2016-09-29T00:21:54 < LeelooMinai> Doesn't seem to move fast enough to need areodynamics:)
2016-09-29T00:23:42 < karlp> upgrdman: did you ever try kst2? https://kst-plot.kde.org/
2016-09-29T00:25:00 < LeelooMinai> Hmm...
2016-09-29T00:25:10 < LeelooMinai> Looks pretty useful.
2016-09-29T00:25:40 < kakimir> I don't know what it is but already installing
2016-09-29T00:26:04 < LeelooMinai> Semms like real-time data plotting app.
2016-09-29T00:26:14 < kakimir> seems hi tech
2016-09-29T00:26:41 < karlp> I've done SWO->kst2 to do live analysis stuff before
2016-09-29T00:28:25 < LeelooMinai> Well, one this I already noticed that is a bit worrying that the latest Windows installer is from 2014;/
2016-09-29T00:28:31 < LeelooMinai> one thing*
2016-09-29T00:28:31 < upgrdman> karlp, hmm no, i had not heard of kst. i'll check it out, looks neat
2016-09-29T00:29:16 < LeelooMinai> Right, right release was July 2014
2016-09-29T00:29:36 < LeelooMinai> last release*
2016-09-29T00:30:28 < upgrdman> karlp, any idea if the kst charts are gpu accelerated?
2016-09-29T00:31:24 < karlp> LeelooMinai: yeah, it's definitely not exactly adctive, at least it's wwebsite exists now,
2016-09-29T00:31:36 < upgrdman> on the kst benchmark page, they claim "48 live channels of 100Hz" ... i hope it can do way better than that. that 4,800 samples/sec... and at work im regularly doing 40,000 samples/sec
2016-09-29T00:31:49 < karlp> no idea upgrdman, worked without even considering thought to cpu load for me,
2016-09-29T00:31:56 < upgrdman> and that's 40,000 SPS on my laptop with shit cooling
2016-09-29T00:32:04 < upgrdman> k     
2016-09-29T00:32:26 < karlp> I still think you're probably up ther ewith aretoocommie as trying to graph far more than you can possibly actually visualise.
2016-09-29T00:32:50 < upgrdman> i agree, but why not :)
2016-09-29T00:32:53 < karlp> it's kinda obtuse, and odd, but when you get into it has _lots_ of built in maths stuff
2016-09-29T00:33:16 < upgrdman> ya kst definitely looks feature packed. will def look into it
2016-09-29T00:33:30 < karlp> if the tools zoom and rescale the sections of interst on demand, who cares ho wmany points there really were.
2016-09-29T00:34:00 < karlp> you can have multiple live sources all going, and do different charts on the same data sources and so on and o on
2016-09-29T00:34:42 < upgrdman> true, but for faithful charting, you would need to properly decimate the samples, and it's not like a UART can reasonably saturate the computing power of a modern pn
2016-09-29T00:34:52 < upgrdman> so why even both with decimating :)
2016-09-29T00:35:36 < karlp> this was with a very very very simplistic setup.  I'm trying to find the videos i had of it in multiple windows with better charts and live ffts, but maybe I only showed it to colleagues http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/linux-swo-graphing-5khz-adc.webm
2016-09-29T00:36:18 < upgrdman> hmm     
2016-09-29T00:36:23 < upgrdman> is that like 10fps?
2016-09-29T00:36:25 < upgrdman> :(     
2016-09-29T00:36:39 < upgrdman> i can do 4k60 ... 10fps hurts the eyes
2016-09-29T00:36:46 < karlp> nah, that's just the video capture failing
2016-09-29T00:36:48 < karlp> it was live in person
2016-09-29T00:36:49 < upgrdman> o ok
2016-09-29T00:37:00 < karlp> http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/coupling-signal-to-iref-swo-kst2-demo.ogv is a sort of step by step of what I wsas doign then
2016-09-29T00:37:18 < karlp> I wouldnt' recommend it if was stepping and chunking that badly :)
2016-09-29T00:38:12 < LeelooMinai> That's what I first thought of - horse telemetry
2016-09-29T00:39:46 < kakimir> why you back?
2016-09-29T00:40:51 < upgrdman> we're glad you're back too!
2016-09-29T00:40:56 < upgrdman> plz don't leave
2016-09-29T00:41:28 < kakimir> did they bully you ohsix? I heard dongs abused you
2016-09-29T00:43:15 < upgrdman> lol http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/20130502-google--ti-adwords-stm32.png
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2016-09-29T00:47:32 < BrainDamage> "show on this amp schematic where they toched you"
2016-09-29T00:48:19 < kakimir> :D     
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2016-09-29T00:58:56 < jadew> "fuck you and fuck your style of play"
2016-09-29T00:58:58 < jadew> "asshole"
2016-09-29T00:59:03 < jadew> mission accomplished
2016-09-29T01:00:42 < jadew> that's how I like my gaming sessions to end
2016-09-29T01:04:29 < jadew> hey     
2016-09-29T01:04:32 < jadew> where have you been?
2016-09-29T01:06:30 < jadew> dongs missed you
2016-09-29T01:06:32 < Laurenceb_> ohsix is RooshV?
2016-09-29T01:06:49 < Laurenceb_> also oh hi ohsix
2016-09-29T01:09:20 < Laurenceb_> I see you have been hanging out with RooshV for the past few weeks?
2016-09-29T01:09:34 < Laurenceb_> did you also create all the fake female profiles on okcupid?
2016-09-29T01:10:27 < Laurenceb_> thats a pretty epin ban
2016-09-29T01:10:58 < Laurenceb_> apparently he preys on women with low self asteem and creates fake okcupid profiles to troll people
2016-09-29T01:11:31 < Laurenceb_> also raep
2016-09-29T01:11:37 < Laurenceb_> probably the king of /b/
2016-09-29T01:12:45 < Laurenceb_> true
2016-09-29T01:15:26 < LeelooMinai> There are trolls and vicious mean trolls. I don't think anyone like the latter...
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2016-09-29T02:00:34 < kakimir> why doesn't pulse voltage come out totally square in fukken ltspice?
2016-09-29T02:01:20 < LeelooMinai> Are there some other components?
2016-09-29T02:02:31 < kakimir> none
2016-09-29T02:04:16 < Laurenceb_> I see ohsix is an author
2016-09-29T02:04:18 < Laurenceb_> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/men-are-increasingly-invading-feminism-excluding-them-isnt-man-hating-1583574
2016-09-29T02:04:43 < Laurenceb_> Today, rape and domestic violence rates are worse than ever. Misogyny is off the scale, with porn being pushed at us every which way, and laddish culture morphing into rape culture.
2016-09-29T02:04:45 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2016-09-29T02:08:13 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: I think rise/fall cannot be 0 becaue the simulator would have to deal with infinite numbers for current, etc.  Put 1ns into both
2016-09-29T02:09:01 < LeelooMinai> Of course lame ltspice won't tell you thinks like that - it has fail GUI all over the place.
2016-09-29T02:09:10 < LeelooMinai> things*
2016-09-29T02:09:14 < Laurenceb_> lul ltspice isnt so bad
2016-09-29T02:09:26 < LeelooMinai> It has terrible GUI
2016-09-29T02:11:27 < Laurenceb_> http://28oa9i1t08037ue3m1l0i861.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Call-3.png
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2016-09-29T02:39:27 < kakimir> musk has crazy big rocket on his plans
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2016-09-29T02:50:57 < kakimir> is passengers to be put in coma for the flight?
2016-09-29T02:51:22 < kakimir> it's still small ship for 200
2016-09-29T02:52:29 < aandrew> you can pack them pretty dense if they don't move/eat/etc
2016-09-29T02:53:00 < kakimir> why?
2016-09-29T02:56:14 < Laurenceb_> lul     
2016-09-29T02:56:22 < Laurenceb_> his mars thing seems fairly sane
2016-09-29T02:56:30 < Laurenceb_> unlike his hyperloop and AI ranting
2016-09-29T02:57:37 < kakimir> he has had team working on it from 2003
2016-09-29T02:57:53 < aandrew> he's a futurist
2016-09-29T02:58:01 < kakimir> and put them moneys on them
2016-09-29T02:58:02 < aandrew> if you take what he says literally you're gonna be a hater
2016-09-29T02:58:02 < Laurenceb_> I think the methane/lox generation needs some work
2016-09-29T02:58:49 < aandrew> fact of the matter is that dude *is* building rockets that return to earth under full control. dude *is* the first non-gov space operator. dude's not dumb
2016-09-29T02:59:20 < aandrew> he's thinking 100 steps ahead of most, it's clear the finer details (some of which are pretty important) might need work
2016-09-29T02:59:45 < aandrew> but seriously, he's got an awful lot of tech cred, versus us IRC wankers and armchair quarterbacks
2016-09-29T03:00:25 < LeelooMinai> I watched his presentation yesterday, and they seem to be pretty serious about this. Certainly it's not at the planning stage - they moved into producting and testing components, like the endings,m that big carbon-fiber tank for the crew, etc.
2016-09-29T03:00:43 < LeelooMinai> engines*
2016-09-29T03:00:49 < jadew> are you talking about Musk?
2016-09-29T03:01:00 < LeelooMinai> Right, the Mars trip
2016-09-29T03:01:26 < jadew> I have conflicting feelings about him
2016-09-29T03:01:41 < jadew> he's so cool, I want to hate him
2016-09-29T03:02:05 < jadew> but it's hard, cuz that stuff is great
2016-09-29T03:02:12 < LeelooMinai> To be honest, I am glad he exists - not saying he is some kind of saint, but seems to get interesting things done
2016-09-29T03:02:21 < jadew> I agree
2016-09-29T03:02:40 < LeelooMinai> And if I see people landing on Mars in my lifetime - cool:)
2016-09-29T03:02:52 < Laurenceb_> I think it's the staff working for him who have the good ideas
2016-09-29T03:03:01 < Laurenceb_> he is just skilled at polling them together
2016-09-29T03:03:06 < jadew> yeah, I hope I'll be able to leave earth in my life-time
2016-09-29T03:03:16 < Laurenceb_> hyperloop was probably his personal idea
2016-09-29T03:03:30 < Laurenceb_> also the AI stuff
2016-09-29T03:03:34 < jadew> Laurenceb_, yeah, but you have to be willing to put all those money into crazy ideas
2016-09-29T03:03:59 < LeelooMinai> Well, he is like a CEO that has some clue about what his company is actually doing - that's far better than 90% of CEOs
2016-09-29T03:04:05 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: what makes you think so?
2016-09-29T03:04:31 < Laurenceb_> well the difference in quality for the stuff he just throws out there like hyperloop 
2016-09-29T03:05:04 < kakimir> what his ai stuff is?
2016-09-29T03:05:22 < Laurenceb_> his rants
2016-09-29T03:05:32 < LeelooMinai> To be fair, the only thing hyperloop idea had in the past to lean on was postal package systems in pneumatic tubes, so it's not that easy to just make something like this:)
2016-09-29T03:06:04 < kakimir> it¨s not new idea at all LeelooMinai 
2016-09-29T03:06:35 < LeelooMinai> Ides, no, but my point is there's nothing working in existance that one could improve on.
2016-09-29T03:06:51 < LeelooMinai> While with electric cars, rockets, etc. it's just progression.
2016-09-29T03:07:03 < jadew> I'm not familiar with that one, what's the gist of it?
2016-09-29T03:07:11 < jadew> (the hyperloop)
2016-09-29T03:07:14 < LeelooMinai> Hyperloop?
2016-09-29T03:07:15 < Laurenceb_> yeah but hyperloop was aweful
2016-09-29T03:07:22 < Laurenceb_> like a fail for undergrad eng
2016-09-29T03:07:30 < Laurenceb_> so many basic errors and math fudges
2016-09-29T03:07:43 < LeelooMinai> Basically vaccum tubes with cars inside them travelling at I think superconic speeds across the country.
2016-09-29T03:07:59 < jadew> ah, to eliminate friction?
2016-09-29T03:08:09 < LeelooMinai> Well, yes, air resistance
2016-09-29T03:08:32 < LeelooMinai> Or now I am not even sure. Or was it air being moves at supersonic speed?
2016-09-29T03:08:38 < LeelooMinai> moved*
2016-09-29T03:08:47 < Laurenceb_> the air was being compressed out of the way
2016-09-29T03:08:50 < Laurenceb_> so stupid
2016-09-29T03:08:52 < LeelooMinai> And cares "injected" into the system. Forgot, which was the one.
2016-09-29T03:08:57 < Laurenceb_> just interconnect the tunnels
2016-09-29T03:09:07 < Laurenceb_> there is a reason that the channel tunnel works
2016-09-29T03:09:35 < Laurenceb_> http://www.eurotunnelgroup.com/uploadedImages/assets-uk/the-channel-tunnel/ET0006_ChannelTunnelUK.jpg
2016-09-29T03:10:11 < Laurenceb_> see air duct
2016-09-29T03:11:40 < LeelooMinai> I would build a tube like this but jusdt for mail from China to America:)
2016-09-29T03:12:12 < LeelooMinai> Imagine getting packages from Ali the next day...
2016-09-29T03:12:42 < LeelooMinai> Sometimes even a small Chinese engineer hidden in the package to help with the assembly.
2016-09-29T03:13:05 < Laurenceb_> or asian waifu
2016-09-29T03:13:08 < Laurenceb_> amirite
2016-09-29T03:13:42 < kakimir> you are
2016-09-29T03:14:50 < kakimir> eurotunnel is like profit isn't it Laurenceb_ ?
2016-09-29T03:15:12 < kakimir> private corp
2016-09-29T03:15:46 < LeelooMinai> Well, but seriously, with people transport you have to worry about g-forces, safety issues, etc. If a loop like that was just for transportation of not too big items, it would make more sense maybe.
2016-09-29T03:16:29 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz-TUzjSXOw
2016-09-29T03:16:31 < LeelooMinai> Postal system should employ it over the country:)
2016-09-29T03:17:10 < Laurenceb_> WE... HAVE... VERY.... ACTIVE... TWO... DAYS.
2016-09-29T03:17:19 < Laurenceb_> epin youtube comments
2016-09-29T03:18:48 < Laurenceb_> when you see a bargain do you let it get away
2016-09-29T03:21:24 < Laurenceb_> haha yeah the chans are having epin lulz
2016-09-29T03:21:46 < Laurenceb_> haha
2016-09-29T03:22:50 < PeterM> i feel like chats today are discontinuous, and fileld wiht more autism and shit than usual, is there something i have missed?
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2016-09-29T03:23:19 < Laurenceb_> PeterM: the debate
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2016-09-29T03:23:42 < Laurenceb_> discontinuous and filled with shit and autism, check all 3
2016-09-29T03:23:49 < PeterM> possible
2016-09-29T03:24:14 < PeterM> trump made a lot of sense though.
2016-09-29T03:24:41 < Laurenceb_> he was pretty retarded, and hillary was pretty fail
2016-09-29T03:24:49 < Laurenceb_> just all rather cringe
2016-09-29T03:25:19 < Laurenceb_> Hillary was just slightly less fail overall than Trump
2016-09-29T03:26:03 < LeelooMinai> Trump was like always - like a 13 yo pretending he knows about how things work.
2016-09-29T03:26:18 < kakimir> and easily manipulated
2016-09-29T03:27:46 < LeelooMinai> The parts when he talked about gun control were especially lame. Also, when he talked how he is smart because evaded taxes - I mean for a president candidate to boast about that on TV is just beyond stupid.
2016-09-29T03:27:55 < Laurenceb_> heh     
2016-09-29T03:28:12 < Laurenceb_> but he was way more well presented than normal
2016-09-29T03:28:24 < Laurenceb_> thats not saying much
2016-09-29T03:28:39 < LeelooMinai> Well, thjat scares me a bit - cannot imagine much worse...
2016-09-29T03:29:44 < Laurenceb_> I can't follow his rally speeches, too incoherent
2016-09-29T03:32:25 < aandrew> I'm curious what specifically you felt he made a lot of sense on
2016-09-29T03:33:00 < aandrew> personally, I think that NAFTA and TPP were both poor deals, but I'm not smart enough to come up with something better and increasing trade between the three nations really did help a lot of people, just not manufacturing
2016-09-29T03:33:23 < aandrew> unfortunately manufacturing is what has been driving the strong middle class, which is why I think it was particuarly poor
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2016-09-29T03:43:59 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skrji5sMveg
2016-09-29T03:44:06 < Laurenceb_> 1970s lulz
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2016-09-29T03:48:38 < kakimir> friend described german beer festivities so that there is no comparisson to anything
2016-09-29T03:50:15 < kakimir> how you can drink beer so long and so hard that you still have ability to move and walk but eyes tell that you are not present in this world at all
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2016-09-29T03:51:31 < LeelooMinai> You are present in an alcoholic stupor world
2016-09-29T03:52:22 < stvn> Hi     
2016-09-29T03:54:00 < PeterM> gday curt
2016-09-29T03:55:42 < stvn> sup PeterM 
2016-09-29T03:56:15 < kakimir> his name is curt?
2016-09-29T03:57:58 < PeterM> nm, you get much rain there m8?
2016-09-29T03:58:25 < PeterM> nah c(u)rt = stvn
2016-09-29T03:58:44 < stvn> i have to change nicks every few months to dodge ignore lists
2016-09-29T03:59:49 < upgrdman> so is curt your real name or just another nick?
2016-09-29T03:59:58 < aandrew> perhaps stop being a dick and you won't get /ignored 
2016-09-29T04:01:23 < PeterM> i dunno, i dont think ive seen curt be a dick
2016-09-29T04:01:36 < PeterM> usually his posts are youtube videos, videos of cats and videos of ducks
2016-09-29T04:01:43 < stvn> lol ty
2016-09-29T04:01:44 < aandrew> me either, but why would he have to evade /ignore
2016-09-29T04:02:21 < PeterM> some people dont like catducks
2016-09-29T04:02:34 < PeterM> in hte same way i dont like autism6
2016-09-29T04:02:42 < aandrew> lol     
2016-09-29T04:03:15 < stvn> yeah cats and ducks are where it's at man
2016-09-29T04:03:50 < PeterM> also, google image search for catduck
2016-09-29T04:04:15 < PeterM> along wiht sharks with human teeth and birds with human arms
2016-09-29T04:04:20 < LeelooMinai> Well, one danger is that a lot of people hate things in RL, but cannot really act on it, so when they get on IRC, they project all those things they hate on some "victim" and go full-steam-ahead to overcompensate for the RL frustations:)
2016-09-29T04:05:06 < aandrew> ok I just searched for catduck
2016-09-29T04:05:08 < aandrew> and wtf.
2016-09-29T04:05:19 < stvn> yeah same aandrew 
2016-09-29T04:05:28 < aandrew> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/26/0d/e4/260de49f087d52ff194adadda322972c.jpg
2016-09-29T04:05:37 < kakimir> stvn = steven
2016-09-29T04:06:22 < LeelooMinai> "Cute Baby Animal Pictures Increase Productivity"... o, really?
2016-09-29T04:06:31 < PeterM> horseshark is pretty neat
2016-09-29T04:06:47 < dongs> I see autism is in full swing since this morning
2016-09-29T04:06:53 < dongs> turn on irc and see people talking to themselves
2016-09-29T04:07:20 < dongs> probemaster shipped
2016-09-29T04:07:22 < PeterM> hahaha
2016-09-29T04:08:25 < LeelooMinai> Differential probe?
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2016-09-29T04:09:10 < LeelooMinai> Only $1k. I would first try doing this problably: http://hackaday.com/2016/03/31/diy-active-sub-ghz-differential-scope-probe/
2016-09-29T04:10:38 < aandrew> hmph. ms is giving away win10 enterprise VM images that are good to the end of october
2016-09-29T04:11:07 < LeelooMinai> Right, I saw them on Pirate Bay
2016-09-29T04:11:12 < LeelooMinai> Er, what? :)
2016-09-29T04:11:24 < dongs> aandrew: arent  they always giving out VM images? for browser testing or whatever shit
2016-09-29T04:11:25 < Laurenceb_> that catduck meme looks antisemitic to me
2016-09-29T04:11:36 < Laurenceb_> probably in hate symbol database
2016-09-29T04:11:49 < aandrew> dongs: not sure, I've never had to worry about it before but dude says my shit isn't working on win10 
2016-09-29T04:11:52  * LeelooMinai remembers a flock of jews in some cartoony thing
2016-09-29T04:11:53 < aandrew> it's working fine
2016-09-29T04:12:37 < dongs> aandrew: there are win10 vm images for sure
2016-09-29T04:12:52 < aandrew> dongs: yeah, I got one
2016-09-29T04:12:52 < dongs> https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/
2016-09-29T04:12:55 < aandrew> heh     
2016-09-29T04:12:56 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/sWLamh1
2016-09-29T04:13:03 < aandrew> looks like someone took a sawzall to the car to get that out
2016-09-29T04:14:05 < LeelooMinai> Taking out - 1s, putting back - one month
2016-09-29T04:15:38  * LeelooMinai looks at PLL's power consumption and startup time from sleep and decides to not use it at all.
2016-09-29T04:15:41 < PeterM> aandrew, nah, garden shears
2016-09-29T04:15:57 < LeelooMinai> Will have to run at 48MHz instead of 80MHz though, but oh well, it's overkill already anyways
2016-09-29T04:17:35 < stvn> https://twitter.com/ST_World/status/781055939570958336
2016-09-29T04:17:55 < dongs> nice
2016-09-29T04:18:01 < LeelooMinai> I have two of those
2016-09-29T04:18:20 < dongs> > 6:00 PM - 28 Sep 2016
2016-09-29T04:18:29 < dongs> why the fuck does ST twatter twat old news
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2016-09-29T04:20:41 < LeelooMinai> I cannot say I ilhe that Nucleo-32 format. The programmer is hard-wires to the micro, half the jumpers is hidden on the other side.
2016-09-29T04:20:52 < LeelooMinai> hard-wired*
2016-09-29T04:21:37 < dongs> ?????????
2016-09-29T04:21:58 < dongs> how is that even remotely a problem
2016-09-29T04:22:19 < LeelooMinai> O, I thought my unicode got broken.
2016-09-29T04:22:50 < LeelooMinai> It's a problem if you want to, say, use J-Link to control the micro.
2016-09-29T04:23:03 < dongs> obviously you wouldnt because there's already a fucking stlink on it
2016-09-29T04:23:10 < LeelooMinai> You can upload J-Link firmware at least, but that's not the same thing.
2016-09-29T04:23:32 < LeelooMinai> ...     
2016-09-29T04:23:59 < LeelooMinai> St-Link is St-Link - I wanted to use, obviously, J-link specific features, like SystemView.
2016-09-29T04:24:45 < LeelooMinai> I though "O, ok, I will just disconnect on-board st-link like in discoveries and normal Nucleo", and found out it's impossible.
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2016-09-29T04:25:09 < LeelooMinai> At least not without some crazy mods to the board.
2016-09-29T04:25:16 < LeelooMinai> It's 4 layer btw
2016-09-29T04:26:05 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/altium-designer-17-activeroute/
2016-09-29T04:26:10 < LeelooMinai> It's for some compatibility with, I don't know, some Arduino oir mbed standard probably, but otherwise it's just puta
2016-09-29T04:26:21 < LeelooMinai> pita
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2016-09-29T04:26:49 < stvn> thanks for making me want altium even more dongs 
2016-09-29T04:26:51 < LeelooMinai> If I was Spanish that would work too I guess
2016-09-29T04:27:18  * LeelooMinai sighs
2016-09-29T04:28:05 < LeelooMinai> I like making PCBs/designs, but I make them in few weels, then spend like half a year writing some firware/software for them:)
2016-09-29T04:28:40 < stvn> i'd like half a year to write firmware
2016-09-29T04:29:27 < LeelooMinai> I don't it as much as PCB-making - too much like programming I spent decades writing in work, etc.
2016-09-29T04:30:21 < LeelooMinai> You write stuff, but it's never as you would like it - there is always tons of stuff making you sad: like libraries, toolchains, etc.
2016-09-29T04:31:11 < dongs> stvn: with keil, you dont need half a year
2016-09-29T04:31:25 < stvn> you're on poimt
2016-09-29T04:31:28 < stvn> *point
2016-09-29T04:31:48 < LeelooMinai> Well, that half a year is with lots of yak shaving.
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2016-09-29T04:32:47 < LeelooMinai> But that's because I don't like it, so seek excuses to do other stuff. When doing PCBs I sit hours after hours doing it and do not get tired, so it gets done quickly.
2016-09-29T04:33:41 < LeelooMinai> Watching that video and lol @ doscovering that autorouters don't work
2016-09-29T04:33:50 < dongs> when doing pcbs i spend half the time yanking my dong, so i do get tired and super bored of it quickly
2016-09-29T04:34:47 < dongs> then i just click activeroute(tm) in altidong and its done
2016-09-29T04:35:27 < PeterM> dongs i saw that, and all i could htink is "wow, that is a perfectly executed, near impossible real world solution, nice!"
2016-09-29T04:35:41 < dongs> ikr.
2016-09-29T04:35:51 < LeelooMinai> You should write that story to Altium. Maybe they will quote that in usder testimonials and give you some licence for free in return.
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2016-09-29T04:36:48 < PeterM> what would i do with naother license?
2016-09-29T04:37:02 < LeelooMinai> I meant dongs
2016-09-29T04:37:12 < PeterM> what would dongs do with another license?
2016-09-29T04:37:29 < LeelooMinai> How do I know - sell it to someone? :)
2016-09-29T04:37:43 < PeterM> yeah, theres a huge market for that
2016-09-29T04:37:49 < PeterM> 2nd hand eda tool licenses
2016-09-29T04:37:53 < dongs> actually i saw some license resale posts on edaboard
2016-09-29T04:37:56 < dongs> not sure if recentely
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2016-09-29T04:38:33 < PeterM> i'd understand for like virtuoso or something
2016-09-29T04:38:36 < PeterM> but not AD
2016-09-29T04:42:42 < LeelooMinai> Is that 17 even out yet
2016-09-29T04:42:50 < dongs> its in preview
2016-09-29T04:42:53 < dongs> to important customers.
2016-09-29T04:46:53 < upgrdman> god damn. forgot how shit HDDs are. tried running one of my VMs from an HDD and wtf, so much lag. SSDs FTW.
2016-09-29T04:48:21 < dongs> get 10gbe ethernet and run them from your hardware raid NAS
2016-09-29T04:48:30 < dongs> i run shit over 10gbe with zero lag
2016-09-29T04:49:27 < upgrdman> no need for NAS
2016-09-29T04:49:42 < upgrdman> its just that i had it on my 4TB HDD instead of my 1TB M.2
2016-09-29T04:50:14 < upgrdman> and im fucking spoiled with the M.2 / i7 / 32GB / gtx1080. im have like zero patience now.
2016-09-29T04:50:43 < upgrdman> i remember as a kid, booting up my 286. turn the fucker on and then cook dinner. FUCK THAT SHIT
2016-09-29T04:51:57 < LeelooMinai> I have old i5... do not have to wait for anything... 
2016-09-29T04:52:39 < LeelooMinai> It's not like it's Pentium or something. I have it overclocked too.
2016-09-29T04:52:42 < upgrdman> i5, lol. what are you, some poor african child?
2016-09-29T04:52:58 < upgrdman> "will suck dick for an i7"
2016-09-29T04:53:03 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: What are you? Trumps little brother? :p
2016-09-29T04:53:19 < dongs> how is the last chat even remotely relevant to this channels topic
2016-09-29T04:53:19 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, :) sure, why not
2016-09-29T04:53:22 < dongs> you FUCKING FAGGOT
2016-09-29T04:53:37 < dongs> and fuck off with the m2f smileys you queer fuck.
2016-09-29T04:53:38 < upgrdman> dongs, who me?
2016-09-29T04:53:40 < dongs> no     
2016-09-29T04:53:48 < upgrdman> oh, lm. got it
2016-09-29T04:53:52 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Not sure why you expect everyone to have expensive machines:)
2016-09-29T04:54:17 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, sorry. i guess im out of touch with reality, what with having a job and not being poor.
2016-09-29T04:54:40 < dongs> when are tehy sending you back to china
2016-09-29T04:55:03 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Yes, well, good for you I guess, but should not expect everyone to be in your situation.
2016-09-29T04:55:21 < LeelooMinai> And overclocked 4-core i5 is not that bad - I tell you.
2016-09-29T04:55:22 < upgrdman> ohsix, im just dicking with leeloo. not hating on poor people IRL
2016-09-29T04:55:34 < dongs> overclocking in 2016 is fucking retarded
2016-09-29T04:55:42 < dongs> well, overclocking in the last decade or so
2016-09-29T04:56:29 < LeelooMinai> Retarded would be buyin K-version of i5 and not overclocking it imo:)
2016-09-29T04:56:34 < upgrdman> dongs, after my bitching they said they keep me in the 1st world more often. not sure when i'll be shanghai'd again. prolly end up shanghai'd 2-3 times a year now instead of like back-to-back enslavements
2016-09-29T04:56:51 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SqiLwP5d/IMG_1570.JPG
2016-09-29T04:56:53 < ReadErr> work laptop touchpad stopped clicking
2016-09-29T04:56:58 < ReadErr> battery is so puffed
2016-09-29T04:57:03 < ReadErr> its blowing out the touchpad
2016-09-29T04:57:10 < ReadErr> lewl
2016-09-29T04:57:11 < PeterM> ReadErr, been there, done that
2016-09-29T04:57:18 < upgrdman> ReadErr, nice. look like some fagbook pro clone?
2016-09-29T04:57:24 < ReadErr> ive had puffed macbook batts
2016-09-29T04:57:29 < ReadErr> but this one is completely fucked
2016-09-29T04:57:40 < ReadErr> upgrdman: not a clone
2016-09-29T04:57:54 < LeelooMinai> You can overclock them like 30% without a problem - I don't see a reason not to do that.
2016-09-29T04:58:10 < dongs> there are no reasons to overclock
2016-09-29T04:58:20 < stvn> ReadErr, that is nowhere near as bad as i've seen
2016-09-29T04:58:24 < dongs> turboboost shit does exactly same thing with a single core when its needed
2016-09-29T04:58:35 < LeelooMinai> lol     
2016-09-29T04:58:38 < dongs> overclocking them all just increases power consumption and does nothing else.
2016-09-29T04:58:54 < PeterM> also at a normal pay rate, verifying your overclock is stable is mroe expensive than jsut buying hte better model
2016-09-29T04:59:22 < stvn> hah     
2016-09-29T04:59:23 < ReadErr> stvn: pics then
2016-09-29T04:59:26 < LeelooMinai> Not with K series and proper MB that can do it automatically
2016-09-29T04:59:34 < stvn> ReadErr, the computer is in the bin as of 3 years ago
2016-09-29T05:00:19 < stvn> how the fuck did this turn into ##hardware
2016-09-29T05:00:32 < ReadErr> stvn: suck my cack
2016-09-29T05:00:39 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, except you're wrong
2016-09-29T05:00:55 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: Wrong about which part exactly?
2016-09-29T05:01:12 < PeterM> running a processor outside of its specificaations
2016-09-29T05:01:26 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: About which part exactly...
2016-09-29T05:01:47 < PeterM> to ensure its operating correctly you need to do appropriate testing and verification
2016-09-29T05:01:51 < PeterM> this takes time
2016-09-29T05:02:03 < PeterM> time is expensive
2016-09-29T05:02:12 < stvn> lol     
2016-09-29T05:02:24 < stvn> how did o6 get back in here?
2016-09-29T05:02:27 < LeelooMinai> What time... you let a test run at night - what's not exactly a problem?
2016-09-29T05:03:02 < LeelooMinai> You make it sound like one has to send the PC to NASA for a month of testing in space...
2016-09-29T05:03:39 < LeelooMinai> Bugger that. I bought K-grade CPU, spent 10 minutes in BIOS and had fast CPU that is fine to this day.
2016-09-29T05:04:10 < ReadErr> stvn: he was never banned
2016-09-29T05:04:11 < LeelooMinai> I don't buy the stories that Chrome is slow with it nowadays, etc. - it still runs almost at 4GHz
2016-09-29T05:04:30 < LeelooMinai> More impact will have RAM and SDD
2016-09-29T05:04:50 < stvn> ReadErr, i know
2016-09-29T05:04:51 < LeelooMinai> Which are fine in my setup, so what's the problem - no need to suggest I am some poor person:)
2016-09-29T05:05:31 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, my i5 is overclocked to 4.2GHz
2016-09-29T05:05:49 < LeelooMinai> You think it will have problems with Chrome?
2016-09-29T05:06:42 < LeelooMinai> In the past I used to upgrade my CPU when I could get abouyt x2 performance. It was kind of a "rule" of mine, but nowadays, meh, this would probably make me wait 10 years:/
2016-09-29T05:06:55 < aandrew> yeah I don't overclock anything
2016-09-29T05:06:55 < PeterM> nope, however, if you have a stuck bit or a flipped bit and your computer crashes and you lose an hour of work, you jsut lost whatever savign you made on the processor rather than buyign hte btter model
2016-09-29T05:07:03 < aandrew> I like my hardware working 
2016-09-29T05:07:04 < ReadErr> stvn: so I imagine he did a /join ##stm32
2016-09-29T05:07:22 < PeterM> im with aandrew
2016-09-29T05:07:23 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: Only me comupter crashed once in 5 years - because of some silly driver.
2016-09-29T05:07:35 < stvn> shit son
2016-09-29T05:07:37 < PeterM> congrats, you're lucky
2016-09-29T05:07:37 < aandrew> had this i7-950 for going on 6 or 7 years now, it still runs flawlessly
2016-09-29T05:07:53 < stvn> they good one
2016-09-29T05:08:07 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: Not really, as I said K series CPU were intended to be overclocked.
2016-09-29T05:08:08 < aandrew> i7-950, ga-x58a-ud3r and 24G of RAM. other than HDDs haven't changed a damn thing inside it
2016-09-29T05:08:12 < stvn> i've still got my somewhat retired i5-750 still happy
2016-09-29T05:08:20 < PeterM> yeah ive had this i7-990x goign for around 5  years too, still strong
2016-09-29T05:08:33 < stvn> is that the moar coarz edition?
2016-09-29T05:08:46 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, no, they were sold wiht functionality that made them EASIER to overclock
2016-09-29T05:09:05 < aandrew> er no I upgraded the video card from an old geforce to a less old geforce GT730
2016-09-29T05:09:18 < dongs> wow thats pretty shit even by altium standards
2016-09-29T05:09:24 < dongs> you should at least get a NVS or a quadro there 
2016-09-29T05:09:25 < aandrew> what, my shit vid card?
2016-09-29T05:09:27 < dongs> yea     
2016-09-29T05:09:30 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: Whatever - the end result is that once can overclock them a lot and work fine.
2016-09-29T05:09:32 < aandrew> heh want to know the best part?
2016-09-29T05:09:37 < aandrew> altium runs in a VM
2016-09-29T05:09:43 < aandrew> this machine runs OSX natively
2016-09-29T05:09:48 < dongs> ... sorry to hear that.
2016-09-29T05:09:49 < aandrew> in fact I have 4 VMs spun up right now
2016-09-29T05:09:50 < stvn> son of a bitch
2016-09-29T05:09:59 < aandrew> this machine is *awesome*
2016-09-29T05:10:07 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, no, the end result is that "one may be able to overclock them a lot and work fine"
2016-09-29T05:10:13 < PeterM> there is a difference, ntohign garanteed
2016-09-29T05:11:37 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: I lost what your point is at this point:)  I mean, it was one of those CPUs that was worth overclocking, it's what I claimed. So, not sure what the problem is.
2016-09-29T05:12:27 < PeterM> i was highlighting that it is a chance, not a given.
2016-09-29T05:12:36 < LeelooMinai> I spent 10 minutes overclocking it, few hours PC tested itself, and then used the thing for 5 years - that's a good plan/deal to me...
2016-09-29T05:12:42 < dongs> I have some -K cpu and I dont overclock it because it works just fucking fine
2016-09-29T05:13:12 < LeelooMinai> That's a meaningless statement though.
2016-09-29T05:13:14 < PeterM> except thats a lie
2016-09-29T05:14:00 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: What is a lie now? :/
2016-09-29T05:14:37 < stvn> the cake, for a start.
2016-09-29T05:17:27 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, MSI oscillator can take 1.5ms to get to 1% accuracy - oops
2016-09-29T05:17:45 < LeelooMinai> So from stop mode it will take ages to it being accurate
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2016-09-29T05:19:01 < stvn> is that alright?
2016-09-29T05:19:28 < LeelooMinai> Depends on the situation I guess - may be not if one requires some timing.
2016-09-29T05:19:35 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-29T05:19:37 < LeelooMinai> Some accurate timing that is
2016-09-29T05:19:42 < stvn> will it work for you?
2016-09-29T05:19:47 < PeterM> well processors came out with the k suffix like.. 5 years 8 months ago, so thats like 87% dutycycle since release at max clock speed to achieve running hte thing at its 4.2ghz for 5 years. i doubt that happened.
2016-09-29T05:20:24 < LeelooMinai> I am just thinking abut it - not sure. That 1% is after 1.5ms, but initially it's probably pretty bad - like 10% or more off.
2016-09-29T05:20:31 < stvn> i like my skylake processor it is great for irc
2016-09-29T05:21:07 < LeelooMinai> PeterM: You doubt what happened what exactly...?
2016-09-29T05:23:13 < stvn> the AVX2 FMA3 instructions make my hexchat experience amazing
2016-09-29T05:24:30 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I kind of wonder what % processing boost new i7 would even give me nowadays.
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2016-09-29T05:25:49 < LeelooMinai> lol... that's quite absurd:p
2016-09-29T05:26:26 < LeelooMinai> It's just a computer - not sure what all this halo is even about.
2016-09-29T05:26:46 < LeelooMinai> I must have stepped on some toes or something./
2016-09-29T05:28:32 < PeterM> i dunno, aandrew is from canadia and doesn't sound like an autism
2016-09-29T05:29:41 < LeelooMinai> Right, because he did not overclock his PC...
2016-09-29T05:30:25 < stvn> we still overclocking?
2016-09-29T05:30:52 < LeelooMinai> No idea - I did it 5 years ago.
2016-09-29T05:31:04 < LeelooMinai> Was not current with CPUs much since then.
2016-09-29T05:31:33 < PeterM> yeah, overoverclocking
2016-09-29T05:32:29 < LeelooMinai> Seems like not-overclocking may be a new cool thing, but may change again, who knows:)
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2016-09-29T05:40:49 < stvn> LeelooMinai, buying apple computers is the new cool thing
2016-09-29T05:41:20 < LeelooMinai> They are not overpriced any more?
2016-09-29T05:42:14 < dongs> buying new apple computers every half a year
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2016-09-29T05:54:51 < dongs> how common are E48 resistors?
2016-09-29T05:54:58 < dongs> my fucking sample book doesnt have it :(
2016-09-29T05:56:09 < aandrew> hm?     
2016-09-29T05:56:18 < aandrew> I just use E96 or E192 values
2016-09-29T05:56:36 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/dZaQcRO.gifv
2016-09-29T05:59:05 < dongs> did he piss in his cofee this morning
2016-09-29T06:01:15 < upgrdman> ohsix, bummer. if you were in so cal i'd meat up
2016-09-29T06:06:51  * stvn disappears into the background
2016-09-29T06:07:14 < stvn> i'm in australia mate
2016-09-29T06:07:45 < stvn> ill be back soon, there is a 6 foot high spider trying to tear down my garage
2016-09-29T06:09:45 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/RevolvingUnimportantDogfish
2016-09-29T06:10:03 < upgrdman> ohsix, g'night. come back plz
2016-09-29T06:15:18 < dongs> upgrdman: lol is that in taiwan
2016-09-29T06:15:26 < dongs> wait, i guess USA cuz fucking murican cars
2016-09-29T06:15:43 < dongs> taiwan had a similar shit like 3 times this month
2016-09-29T06:15:49 < LeelooMinai> Looks like a tornado, not a storm
2016-09-29T06:17:44 < stvn> my friend is a gasfitter, he discovered a bypass on the clients gas meter and removed it, client asks can you put that thing back... so he says "yeah just call your gas provider they'll organize someone to fit another one"
2016-09-29T06:19:45 < stvn> client just spun a bullshit story saying it was for the gas company to measure pressure or some shit, knowing he was bypassing the meter for a shed full of equipment
2016-09-29T06:22:46 < aandrew> hah     
2016-09-29T06:22:49 < aandrew> I don't fuck with gas
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2016-09-29T06:23:21 < dongs> my gas bill is like $300 monthly
2016-09-29T06:23:47 < dongs> ive got a 30kW oven ^_^
2016-09-29T06:24:59 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/40fa4bb1d4854d378312db4c61b3ef05?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=2951c3ca378aa781c601cb68a7d0190b
2016-09-29T06:26:16 < upgrdman> 30kW oven huh... are there that many jews in japan?
2016-09-29T06:31:41 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/YqJ7UbZ.gifv
2016-09-29T06:37:31 < upgrdman> lol  https://youtu.be/IkmAiQJ73fU?t=9
2016-09-29T06:39:48 < aandrew> upgrdman: haha
2016-09-29T06:41:10 < stvn> <g0z> I'm gonna try heating up a pcb with a heatgun then whacking it with a hammer and making all the ICs pop off it tomorrow. when I get out of the hospital I'll tell you guys about it.
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2016-09-29T06:47:20 < stvn> never a dull moment on that free node
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2016-09-29T08:41:49 < stvn> time to play the game
2016-09-29T08:43:43 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://imgur.com/a/Rz6L9
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2016-09-29T08:46:57 < stvn> how do you find all this terrific material upgrdman ?
2016-09-29T08:47:16 < upgrdman> reddit
2016-09-29T08:48:03 < upgrdman> https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/54ybx6/russian_lada_still_going_strong_xpost/
2016-09-29T08:48:33 < stvn> you're shittin' me
2016-09-29T08:49:20 < stvn> i'd rather 'just rolled into the trash compactor'
2016-09-29T08:49:26 < LeelooMinai> It looks unly like that when the gas tank is empty. When you fill it up it buckles up to normal.
2016-09-29T08:50:23 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-29T08:50:55 < upgrdman> stvn, r/jrits isn't very good for shitposting, but occasionally we get a gem
2016-09-29T08:51:05 < stvn> i hears ya
2016-09-29T08:51:14 < upgrdman> r/wtf r/wcgw are much better for shitz
2016-09-29T08:53:28 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/gallery/GX2gz
2016-09-29T08:53:55 < stvn> ah     
2016-09-29T08:54:16 < stvn> i'm going to throw pancakes at the post office
2016-09-29T08:54:51 < stvn> yesterday i missed a package cause i went out for 20 mins, today i missed one when i was having a shower
2016-09-29T08:54:56 < dongs> that looks like peterM's tractor
2016-09-29T09:02:19 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCl9WfQwv2E
2016-09-29T09:04:20 < stvn> yeah cheers
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2016-09-29T09:19:43 < PeterM> nah mine look more like this http://i.imgur.com/xhip65i.jpg at the moment
2016-09-29T09:20:20 < dongs> lorf
2016-09-29T09:22:15 < stvn> did you bring protection?
2016-09-29T09:22:44 < LeelooMinai> Seems like it won't move anywhere too soon...
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2016-09-29T09:26:03  * LeelooMinai found in the basement an assembled board of uCurrent xclone/variant she made in 2012 for some reason
2016-09-29T09:26:34 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if it works...
2016-09-29T09:26:58 < stvn> sick individual you are
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2016-09-29T09:27:41 < LeelooMinai> stvn: Is "sick" some slang in Australia for something? :)
2016-09-29T09:28:03 < stvn> yeah amate
2016-09-29T09:28:05 < stvn> *mate
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2016-09-29T09:34:55 < stvn> 21 pages of schematics for one board
2016-09-29T09:35:03 < stvn> these pioneer people are sick in the head
2016-09-29T09:40:26 < stvn> 21 pages of schematics and 15 different voltage rails can trigger a single fault flag \o/
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2016-09-29T11:10:23 < stvn> is that an stm32 shit on this board
2016-09-29T11:10:24 < stvn> http://img.banggood.com/images/oaupload/banggood/images/83/2E/cdd73b24-3568-4f4b-a6c1-4d438054c3c6.jpg
2016-09-29T11:14:59 < LeelooMinai> Looks like stm32f100
2016-09-29T11:16:03 < stvn> yeah
2016-09-29T11:16:22 < LeelooMinai> I think this one: http://i.imgur.com/vK7BO6Z.png
2016-09-29T11:16:25 < PeterM> what is that even stvn
2016-09-29T11:16:52 < stvn> some shitty chinese power supply
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2016-09-29T11:17:50 < stvn> i scrolled back in stonertronics and found - DPS5005 Constant Voltage current Step-down Programmable control Power module buck converter voltmeter DP50V5A Upgraded version
2016-09-29T11:22:15 < stvn> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/aids/923042_32596330856.html
2016-09-29T11:24:00 < Ecco> RIGOL DP711
2016-09-29T11:24:11 < Ecco> Great device or not?
2016-09-29T11:24:30 < stvn> you tell me
2016-09-29T11:25:30 < stvn> oh look eevblog can instead http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dp711-and-dp712-new-1ch-psu/
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2016-09-29T11:34:49 < dongs> nice
2016-09-29T11:34:55 < dongs> poles delivered
2016-09-29T11:35:01 < dongs> finally gave me a quote without VAT
2016-09-29T11:39:11 < stvn> the poles?
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2016-09-29T12:05:16 < stvn> https://youtu.be/zFH6UAne3Ho?t=2m7s
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2016-09-29T12:13:02 < ReadErr> POLISH PEOPLE
2016-09-29T12:13:03 < ReadErr> jeeze
2016-09-29T12:16:04 < stvn> oh     
2016-09-29T12:16:37 < stvn> since when do they deliver
2016-09-29T12:17:00 < ReadErr> as of today I suppose
2016-09-29T12:19:12 < stvn> excellent, this changes everything.
2016-09-29T12:29:31 < dongs> hmm     
2016-09-29T12:29:40 < dongs> altidumb inserted another fucking 1-pixel-tall region into my pcb again
2016-09-29T12:29:46 < dongs> this is teh second fucking time
2016-09-29T12:29:55 < dongs> and it causes almost impossible to get rid of DRC violation
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2016-09-29T12:38:11 < karlp> zyp: good aurora last night for you?
2016-09-29T12:39:13 < stvn> The northern lights are therefore always present. Historically, the chances of seeing the northern lights are best viewed in Northern Norway between October and March, because the polar night makes them easier to see.
2016-09-29T12:39:27 < stvn> i'm guessing this ?
2016-09-29T12:43:55 < karlp> no, not that.
2016-09-29T12:45:02 < karlp> more like this: http://spaceweather.com/ (top story)
2016-09-29T12:46:11 < karlp> nto sure if leeloo/english are north enough in canadia
2016-09-29T12:46:40 < BrainDamage> http://services.swpc.noaa.gov/images/aurora-forecast-northern-hemisphere.png
2016-09-29T12:46:56 < BrainDamage> auroras are always heavily tilted towards canada
2016-09-29T12:47:10 < karlp> ohsix: what's the misery loop at smith rock? I only know smith for climbing?
2016-09-29T12:48:33 < dongs> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg103002.html lol
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2016-09-29T13:32:28 < zyp> karlp, idk, I didn't look outside
2016-09-29T13:32:35 < zyp> but probably not much to see here in the south
2016-09-29T13:33:25 < PeterM> karlp, Stevie Wonder "I can't see shit"
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2016-09-29T13:57:19 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Q1YSYwp.gifv daym
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2016-09-29T14:31:25 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/19z2cWY.jpg
2016-09-29T14:32:09 < dongs> no just retweeting
2016-09-29T14:32:13 < dongs> from another channel
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2016-09-29T16:55:34 < PeterM> oi TheSeven u there
2016-09-29T16:55:35 < PeterM> ?     
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2016-09-29T17:22:31 < Laurenceb> lul murican train parking
2016-09-29T17:23:11 < Laurenceb>  #highaltitude has been busy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37504749
2016-09-29T17:32:44 < Laurenceb> I worked out how Musk can colonise Mars with only 4 launches
2016-09-29T17:35:54 < Laurenceb> but first he has to bust Fritzl out of prison
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2016-09-29T17:38:51 < Laurenceb> probably not, made illegal in 1533
2016-09-29T17:39:00 < Laurenceb> who knows
2016-09-29T17:39:06 < Laurenceb> Queef
2016-09-29T17:44:17 < Laurenceb> lul time for time machine
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2016-09-29T19:24:21 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/5CqKaRj.gifv
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2016-09-29T19:42:00 < Laurenceb> dat wacist http://www.strongholdgrp.com/
2016-09-29T19:42:44 < kakimir> first imported .step with functioning colors to kicad
2016-09-29T19:42:49 < kakimir> hope
2016-09-29T19:42:55 < kakimir> there is hope
2016-09-29T19:44:58 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKODByaEJ6cDRySlk/view?usp=sharing
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2016-09-29T19:47:15 < Laurenceb> where do you get the models from?
2016-09-29T19:48:11 < kakimir> 3dcontentcentral
2016-09-29T19:48:19 < kakimir> pro tip from this channel
2016-09-29T19:48:52 < karlp> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stemtera/stemtera-breadboard-arduino-compatible-built-in-br?token=f47a8bd8
2016-09-29T19:49:28 < Steffanx> someone just received the itead news letter :D
2016-09-29T19:49:55 < karlp> yup ;)
2016-09-29T19:49:59 < karlp> it's kinda cute
2016-09-29T19:51:07 < Laurenceb> omg hydroponics
2016-09-29T19:51:09 < Laurenceb> weed farm
2016-09-29T19:55:11 < dongs> fucking garbage
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2016-09-29T19:55:54 < kakimir> is there other plants to grow than weed?
2016-09-29T19:56:07 < kakimir> *valuable
2016-09-29T20:02:22 < Thorn> kakimir: your screw terminals look unusable
2016-09-29T20:02:41 < Thorn> wires can't reach them
2016-09-29T20:12:25 < Laurenceb> wow these guys ate their own shit
2016-09-29T20:12:27 < Laurenceb> https://www.lora-alliance.org/What-Is-LoRa/Technology
2016-09-29T20:14:30 < karlp> Laurenceb: I never saw you really reply on why you hate lora so much?
2016-09-29T20:14:52 < Laurenceb> fake "spread spectrum"
2016-09-29T20:15:13 < Laurenceb> it eats up bandwidth with no benefits, whilst having poor co channel rejection
2016-09-29T20:15:18 < Laurenceb> its snake oil
2016-09-29T20:16:43 < Laurenceb> silly chirp mode junk on LoRa
2016-09-29T20:17:03 < Laurenceb> its no better than 2FSK
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2016-09-29T20:17:21 < Laurenceb> whilst being more vulnerable to interference
2016-09-29T20:17:25 < Laurenceb> exactly
2016-09-29T20:17:27 < Laurenceb> its shit
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2016-09-29T20:18:18 < Laurenceb> TI say its snake oil bs and I agree
2016-09-29T20:18:25 < Laurenceb> even if they have an agenda
2016-09-29T20:19:28 < Laurenceb> but it achieves virtually nothing
2016-09-29T20:19:38 < Laurenceb> the modulation is snake oil
2016-09-29T20:19:40 < Laurenceb> lul     
2016-09-29T20:23:11 < Steffanx> hows the horse telemetry btw?
2016-09-29T20:23:29 < Steffanx> It's been pretty quiet around the horse soap.
2016-09-29T20:23:40 < Laurenceb> heh     
2016-09-29T20:23:46 < Laurenceb> it works well enough
2016-09-29T20:23:50 < Laurenceb> contract finished
2016-09-29T20:24:13 < Laurenceb> atm it doesnt have ism band telemetry as sp1ml sucks
2016-09-29T20:24:38 < Laurenceb> I might negotiate a new project to write usable sp1ml firmware
2016-09-29T20:24:57 < Laurenceb> top trollin
2016-09-29T20:26:04 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/551zap/sexism_in_stem_nobody_seems_to_care_that_elon/
2016-09-29T20:26:12 < Laurenceb> Elon is being sexually abused
2016-09-29T20:26:48 < Laurenceb> someone should form a protest group
2016-09-29T20:29:31 < upgrdman> since the RF pros are awake in here: is there an easy answer to when you should use OOK / 2FSK / GFSK / MSK ?
2016-09-29T20:29:51 < Laurenceb> well there is really no reason not to use 2PSK
2016-09-29T20:29:58 < Laurenceb> OOK is shit
2016-09-29T20:30:00 < upgrdman> im guessing OOK gives worst data rate but best interference?immunity
2016-09-29T20:30:28 < Laurenceb> GFSK and MSK give a lot less splatter than 2FSK, but about 1 to 1.5dB performance loss
2016-09-29T20:30:38 < Laurenceb> just avoid OOK like the plague
2016-09-29T20:32:41 < upgrdman> and is there some more efficient thing than manchester encoding?
2016-09-29T20:32:56 < upgrdman> so you dont cut your data rate in ahlf
2016-09-29T20:33:01 < Laurenceb> yeah, no manchester encoding
2016-09-29T20:33:11 < Laurenceb> englishman: 2FSK is a bit shit
2016-09-29T20:33:29 < Laurenceb> but the hardware is a little simpler, so its used in transciever ics more
2016-09-29T20:33:44 < Laurenceb> there are a few 2PSK transceivers around now, looks like good news
2016-09-29T20:34:26 < Laurenceb> ideally you need QAM with a ton of FEC
2016-09-29T20:34:47 < Laurenceb> thats what the really decent systems like LTE use
2016-09-29T20:35:09 < Laurenceb> GSM uses GFSK
2016-09-29T20:35:26 < upgrdman> are there any relatively easy to work with chips that give high bandwidth without the overhead of like a wifi/bt stack?
2016-09-29T20:35:47 < upgrdman> e.g. most easy ics are <1Mbps
2016-09-29T20:35:55 < Laurenceb> well lots of the 2FSK things will do ~1Mbps
2016-09-29T20:36:01 < Laurenceb> oh more than that
2016-09-29T20:36:02 < Laurenceb> lol     
2016-09-29T20:36:03 < upgrdman> how about 1 MBps
2016-09-29T20:36:17 < Laurenceb> where are you going to find the bandwidth for it?
2016-09-29T20:36:25 < upgrdman> 2.4 ism?
2016-09-29T20:36:35 < Laurenceb>  <1Ghz ISM bands aren't wide enough
2016-09-29T20:36:37 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2016-09-29T20:36:45 < upgrdman> i just dont want the overhead of full blown wifi/bt
2016-09-29T20:36:47 < Laurenceb> full of bluetooth and shit
2016-09-29T20:36:50 < Laurenceb> hmm     
2016-09-29T20:37:19 < Laurenceb> I'd probably just avoid 2.4Ghz, not worth the trouble
2016-09-29T20:37:29 < Laurenceb> for very short range nordic works I guess
2016-09-29T20:37:30 < upgrdman> fuck it can use wifi/bt behind the scenes, but just expose a simple UART like stream of data
2016-09-29T20:37:55 < Laurenceb> englishman: for horse stuff I need <100kbps
2016-09-29T20:37:57 < upgrdman> but thats just 2Mbps ... not a big step up
2016-09-29T20:38:10 < Laurenceb> and I have 300khz to use in 868 ism band
2016-09-29T20:38:13 < Laurenceb> should be easy
2016-09-29T20:38:19 < Laurenceb> but sp1ml sucks big time
2016-09-29T20:38:31 < upgrdman> like i just want wireless UART at maybe 3 - 8 MBaud
2016-09-29T20:38:35 < Laurenceb> eeek
2016-09-29T20:38:45 < Laurenceb> maybe 24Ghz band :P
2016-09-29T20:38:55 < Laurenceb> there are some transceivers for that now
2016-09-29T20:38:58 < upgrdman> the IC can wrap it in whatever it wants... but expose a simple UART-like layer
2016-09-29T20:39:32 < Laurenceb> there is 250Mhz of bandwidth at 24Ghz
2016-09-29T20:40:01 < Laurenceb> https://www.cobham.com/media/663271/mmW%20Transceiver%20v1.0%20data%20sheet.pdf
2016-09-29T20:40:05 < upgrdman> well but 2.4g wifi can do way more than 1MBps .... i just dont want to dick with the wifi/bt stacks
2016-09-29T20:40:29 < Laurenceb> ouch that thing eats current
2016-09-29T20:41:20 < Laurenceb> hopefully there will be some useful transceivers for 24Ghz soon
2016-09-29T20:41:20 < upgrdman> like wtf do the pros use for telemetry at race tracks or whatever. im sure they need more than 2Mbps?
2016-09-29T20:41:52 < Laurenceb> I have heard of 5.8Ghz being used
2016-09-29T20:42:50 < Laurenceb> F1 uses 1.5Ghz
2016-09-29T20:44:36 < upgrdman> another rf q: dBc ... does that just mean that highest peak is 0, or are there other conditions
2016-09-29T20:45:02 < Laurenceb> oh god thats a horrible spec
2016-09-29T20:45:21 < Laurenceb> I think its just dB relative to the carrier
2016-09-29T20:45:27 < upgrdman> ya     
2016-09-29T20:45:31 < Laurenceb> but it always seems to be misinterpreted
2016-09-29T20:45:59 < upgrdman> but is carrier just the highest peak, or could it be a lower peak if your RF is shit
2016-09-29T20:47:01 < upgrdman> like an oscope doing an FFT, it doesnt know what the true carrier is
2016-09-29T20:47:08 < upgrdman> does it just assume biggest peak == carrier?
2016-09-29T20:47:18 < upgrdman> or spec anal'er
2016-09-29T20:47:29 < Laurenceb> usually yes
2016-09-29T20:49:15 < upgrdman> oh an any idea how bad the crystals are on cheap rf modules? like if i were to plot the rf output, would it visably drift by kHz if i take a heat gun to the transmitter module?
2016-09-29T20:50:16 < Laurenceb> def     
2016-09-29T20:50:24 < Laurenceb> I use a TCXO for balloon stuff
2016-09-29T20:51:31 < upgrdman> so the drawback of shit xtal accuracy is your rx needs to have a wider BPF, right? which reduces ajacent channel rejection?
2016-09-29T20:53:12 < Laurenceb> well if you have something nice like one of the silabs transceivers
2016-09-29T20:53:18 < Laurenceb> you can set multiple filters
2016-09-29T20:53:56 < Laurenceb> so you have a wide filter with AFC enabled, then if it locks onto a carrier you AFC retune and transition to narrow band
2016-09-29T20:54:24 < upgrdman> nice
2016-09-29T20:55:12 < upgrdman> ya i think my shit ic even has some compensation for this, but im just curious about how things work
2016-09-29T20:55:34 < Laurenceb> if you use silabs its fairly easy
2016-09-29T20:55:36 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/Silabs/si446x.c
2016-09-29T20:55:42 < Laurenceb> I use tcxo and AFC
2016-09-29T20:55:48 < upgrdman> ya im using total shit. ti cc2500
2016-09-29T20:55:48 < Laurenceb> erm no
2016-09-29T20:55:51 < Laurenceb> thats OCXO
2016-09-29T20:56:04 < Laurenceb> TCXO is analogue compensation
2016-09-29T20:56:09 < Laurenceb> OCXO uses oven
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2016-09-29T20:56:38 < Laurenceb> OCXO on portable devices is slightly nuts, but one balloon guy did it
2016-09-29T20:58:16 < Fleck> right!
2016-09-29T20:58:35 < Laurenceb> fuck that
2016-09-29T20:58:41 < Laurenceb> put the audiophiles in the ovens
2016-09-29T20:59:09 < Steffanx> and put Laurenceb there with em.
2016-09-29T21:05:16 < Laurenceb> As an elderly man this makes me very angry
2016-09-29T21:05:35 < Laurenceb> bring back conscription and the weak will not return from the battlefield
2016-09-29T21:06:04 < BrainDamage> your typical cheap module xtal will have 15 ppm std deviation
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2016-09-29T21:39:20 < karlp> BrainDamage: are you talking about special oscillator modules? or just regular smd crystals 8-12Mhz or so?
2016-09-29T21:39:38 < BrainDamage> regular smd crystal
2016-09-29T21:39:39 < karlp> digikey/mouser would imply that 20-50 is more common in the cheap ones
2016-09-29T21:40:14 < BrainDamage> 50 is the abs shit tier, 20 yes
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2016-09-29T22:00:14 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn9elWR13Z4
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2016-09-29T22:22:46 < Steffanx> The voice of that guy sounds familiar.. Thorn
2016-09-29T22:24:21 < Steffanx> but im not sure whos voice it sounds like.
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2016-09-29T23:04:09 < kakimir> englishman: I failed
2016-09-29T23:04:20 < kakimir> my permit for gun has just expired
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2016-09-29T23:04:33 < Steffanx> now kakimir is a criminal?
2016-09-29T23:04:41 < kakimir> :)     
2016-09-29T23:04:54 < kakimir> also in jail
2016-09-29T23:05:30 < Steffanx> do they taste like chicken?
2016-09-29T23:05:36 < kakimir> but now it takes all kinds of tests to get a permit
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2016-09-29T23:06:33 < Steffanx> you will not pass the mental health test kakimir?
2016-09-29T23:06:53 < kakimir> I'm not sure
2016-09-29T23:07:08 < kakimir> it should be really like stupid level test
2016-09-29T23:07:47 < Steffanx> Here in dutchland it was very easy too, until some kiddo with a history of mental issues got a permit and guys
2016-09-29T23:07:57 < Steffanx> and decided to go rambo in a shopping mall
2016-09-29T23:08:00 < kakimir> same thing here
2016-09-29T23:08:05 < kakimir> in skool
2016-09-29T23:08:08 < kakimir> like 3 times or so
2016-09-29T23:08:22 < Steffanx> *guns
2016-09-29T23:08:56 < gxti> at least you don't have canada geese
2016-09-29T23:09:03 < gxti> they're pretty so people feed them
2016-09-29T23:09:23 < gxti> but they still do usual goose stuff like shitting on everything and attacking people
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2016-09-29T23:11:22 < kakimir> you can not take them on the bus but nothing about schools?
2016-09-29T23:12:02 < kakimir> before that guns + school = cool
2016-09-29T23:12:09 < gxti> maybe they will invest in helping mentally ill people so they don't go on murder sprees. hahaha just kidding.
2016-09-29T23:14:04 < kakimir> if I get permit I maybe come hunt your geese Steffanx if it's easy and inexpencive
2016-09-29T23:14:40 < kakimir> and get bargain flight and all that
2016-09-29T23:15:22 < Steffanx> you uslanders and almost-uslanders and your guns -_-
2016-09-29T23:15:28 < Steffanx> and finnishers.
2016-09-29T23:16:51 < kakimir> us hunters come there too?
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2016-09-30T00:17:19 < kakimir> when do I need commom mode filter?
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2016-09-30T00:19:33 < zyp> when you have common mode noise?
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2016-09-30T00:22:27 < kakimir> when do I have?
2016-09-30T00:23:17 < Ultrasauce> usually
2016-09-30T00:24:39 < kakimir> I have tranformer on my board
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2016-09-30T00:35:07 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/mGcHdxA.jpg
2016-09-30T00:37:03 < kakimir> :D     
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2016-09-30T00:44:13 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: is it true that saturn V weight is at ignition more that net thrust output of it's engines?
2016-09-30T00:44:29 < Laurenceb_> wut     
2016-09-30T00:44:32 < Laurenceb_> of course not
2016-09-30T00:44:36 < jadew> how would that work then?
2016-09-30T00:45:02 < jadew> or is it because it loses some fuel before liftoff?
2016-09-30T00:45:39 < kakimir> apparently tonnes in a second
2016-09-30T00:45:53 < kakimir> and it has full thrust few seconds before liftoff
2016-09-30T00:46:06 < jadew> interesting
2016-09-30T00:46:17 < jadew> so the accelaration is sort of logarithmic?
2016-09-30T00:46:32 < kakimir> certainly that is true
2016-09-30T00:46:46 < kakimir> unless adjustment of power
2016-09-30T00:46:53 < kakimir> stages too
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2016-09-30T01:17:17 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKc1EzVnpfbXRWSk0/view?usp=sharing got stuff today
2016-09-30T01:17:39 < kakimir> note chinacaliber
2016-09-30T01:18:44 < kakimir> its liek 300mm or something
2016-09-30T01:19:11 < kakimir> and long carbon fibre powder reiforced jaws
2016-09-30T01:19:36 < kakimir> else it's just abs or so
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2016-09-30T01:44:41 < intart> do i have to enable clocks prior to setting up peripherals (not prior to use the peripheral)?
2016-09-30T01:45:04 < zyp> how do you distinguish between setting up and using?
2016-09-30T01:45:58 < zyp> anyway, the answer is simple if you just think about it
2016-09-30T01:46:22 < zyp> turning off the clock to a peripheral is essentially equivalent to powering it off
2016-09-30T01:46:53 < zyp> when it's turned off (unclocked), it won't respond to any register accesses
2016-09-30T01:47:09 < zyp> and you can't set it up when you can't write any registers
2016-09-30T01:47:48 < intart> crystal clear, thanks
2016-09-30T01:47:53 < zyp> from a system perspective there's no distinction between configuring a peripheral and using it, it's all just register accesses
2016-09-30T01:48:29 < zyp> except certain peripherals with multiple clocks (e.g. ethernet, some usb cores)
2016-09-30T01:48:42 < intart> now i have it all clear
2016-09-30T01:48:53 < zyp> in that case it might be possible (or even required) to configure the mac before you turn on the phy
2016-09-30T01:49:44 < intart> did not know i could not use any related peripheral register when peripheral is disable
2016-09-30T01:50:17 < zyp> it tends to make more sense if you think of it as power rather than clock
2016-09-30T01:51:14 < zyp> the thing is, digital circuitry mainly draws power when it's switching, i.e. at each clock edge
2016-09-30T01:53:13 < zyp> when you turn off the clock to a block, all gates remain in a steady state, so the only power draw in that block will be microamps or maybe nanoamps of leakage
2016-09-30T01:54:45 < zyp> and for simple peripherals, the register interface might be a fairly huge portion of the entire block, so it doesn't make sense to leave that powered on while powering off the rest
2016-09-30T01:55:51 < intart> i spent more than an hour fighting this and as chance inverted the order and it works
2016-09-30T01:59:37 < kakimir> what do you mean by.. weapon?
2016-09-30T02:04:08 < upgrdman> how does the strain relief mount in a db9 housing like this http://www.surplusgizmos.com/DB9-Backshell-wPlastic-Housing_p_1876.html
2016-09-30T02:04:33 < LeelooMinai> I would say inside the case
2016-09-30T02:05:34 < upgrdman> well ya but how does it stay secure instead of float arount
2016-09-30T02:05:42 < LeelooMinai> It's mostly to prevent the wires to be ripped off I think - not much of strain relief on bending
2016-09-30T02:08:31 < LeelooMinai> For strain relief I would ass heat shrink like here: http://avionikits.com/howto/D%20SUb.pdf
2016-09-30T02:08:37 < LeelooMinai> ass=add
2016-09-30T02:08:49 < fenugrec> upgrdman standard deal, the two halfclamps stay constrained between the bolt holes and the cable hole. They jiggle a bit but it works
2016-09-30T02:09:27 < LeelooMinai> A ghetto alternative:) http://www.laureanno.com/RC/Mini-Flash-Kit23.gif
2016-09-30T02:10:10 < upgrdman> ok so jiggling is normal
2016-09-30T02:10:27 < LeelooMinai> Right, I don't like those connectors - they always felt like there were falling apart...
2016-09-30T02:10:35 < LeelooMinai> they*
2016-09-30T02:10:57 < LeelooMinai> You can put some tape there, so the thing does not rattle.
2016-09-30T02:12:06 < LeelooMinai> Or hot-glue it
2016-09-30T02:14:38 < karlp> or just decree that any project involving a db9 is already dead
2016-09-30T02:15:06  * LeelooMinai suddenly remembers mice with those connectors and shudders
2016-09-30T02:15:36 < fenugrec> karlp , says the guy working on serial port code !
2016-09-30T02:16:11 < LeelooMinai> Serial over subspace channel
2016-09-30T02:16:28 < karlp> fenugrec: not using db9s though :)
2016-09-30T02:16:50 < karlp> fenugrec: it's mostly a usb project, that will actually be useful.
2016-09-30T02:17:21 < karlp> end goal is embedding usb2serial+usb controlled dac into a test board that connects to a rs485+adc board
2016-09-30T02:17:48 < karlp> so with just one connection, you can stimulate the test devices inputs, and also communicate with it
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2016-09-30T02:31:59 < upgrdman> karlp, lol. industrial stuff LOVES db9's and other db's
2016-09-30T02:32:09 < upgrdman> big beefy and cheap
2016-09-30T02:32:17 < upgrdman> and positive retention
2016-09-30T02:33:17 < Laurenceb_> moar silly papers
2016-09-30T02:33:18 < Laurenceb_> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/routledg/cjys/2006/00000009/00000004/art00002
2016-09-30T02:35:41 < kakimir> wow it wasn't bad enought to watch cam but it changed into worse cam in mid movie
2016-09-30T02:37:19 < fenugrec> DBs are OK... canon plugs are very nice but so much more expensive
2016-09-30T02:38:19 < upgrdman> we use canon plugs for >12 wires usually
2016-09-30T02:38:36 < upgrdman> and not too expensive if you dont need military quality. china makes lots of plastic ones for cheap
2016-09-30T02:42:59 < LeelooMinai> Is that XLR?
2016-09-30T02:43:10 < fenugrec> "Cannon", sorry - I was sure it was canon
2016-09-30T02:43:29 < fenugrec> nah not xlr, they're screw-on
2016-09-30T03:06:01 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/WWJALTE.gif
2016-09-30T03:06:32 < LeelooMinai> ...     
2016-09-30T03:07:26 < LeelooMinai> I am deconcentrated now
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2016-09-30T03:17:15 < aandrew> tying a knot in cables was how you did it back in the day
2016-09-30T03:17:48 < aandrew> upgrdman: you use the small clamp (two u-shaped pieces with screws) on the cable so it's tight. then it won't pull through
2016-09-30T03:17:58 < upgrdman> ya     
2016-09-30T03:17:58 < aandrew> karlp: you'd be surprised
2016-09-30T03:18:00 < fenugrec> still how you do it when you lose one of the goddam tiny screws P)
2016-09-30T03:18:06 < aandrew> DB connectors are still VERY popular, especially in avionics
2016-09-30T03:18:19 < aandrew> < LeelooMinai> Serial over subspace channel
2016-09-30T03:18:30 < aandrew> you KNOW that Geordi LaForge has a drawer full of those things on the Enterprise
2016-09-30T03:18:32 < upgrdman> aandrew, i knew that much, and it works. just wasnt sure if the wobble was normal. guess it is. im used to using higher quality housing that have a proper wire grip section
2016-09-30T03:18:35 < aandrew> you'll never, ever kill the serial port
2016-09-30T03:19:07 < aandrew> I did a layout for an automated board test platform
2016-09-30T03:19:20 < upgrdman> not just the "serial port" but the DB series of connectors. big, strong, positive retention, etc.
2016-09-30T03:19:24 < aandrew> it had like 2xHD50, 2xHD44, 2xDB25, DB9...
2016-09-30T03:20:26 < aandrew> Laurenceb: wtf is that paper
2016-09-30T03:20:29 < aandrew> virtual psytrance?
2016-09-30T03:20:40 < aandrew> Lemo connectors FTW
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2016-09-30T03:20:46 < aandrew> when you absolutely must have the most expensive connector around
2016-09-30T03:21:47 < upgrdman> aandrew, oh shit. that's was some random connectors in my office are. never saw them before and didnt know why we had them. TIL about lemo connectors
2016-09-30T03:22:23 < aandrew> they are awesome
2016-09-30T03:22:27 < aandrew> used a LOT in medical
2016-09-30T03:22:33 < aandrew> fucking hideously expensive though
2016-09-30T03:22:36 < upgrdman> ya im in medical :)
2016-09-30T03:23:06 < upgrdman> whats so awesome about them? just a cannon but smaller?
2016-09-30T03:23:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> What connectors do people here normaly use?
2016-09-30T03:23:32 < aandrew> smaller, positive lock, metal, rugged, high density
2016-09-30T03:23:35 < Jak_o_Shadows> For stuff that gets inserted more than a dozen times
2016-09-30T03:23:48 < upgrdman> Jak_o_Shadows, depends on pin count and use
2016-09-30T03:23:49 < aandrew> Siemens uses them exclusively in their siplace pnp machines
2016-09-30T03:23:54 < aandrew> that's how I got introduced to them
2016-09-30T03:25:37 < Jak_o_Shadows> I have a project where I want to connect about 10-15 low vltage connectors. But the connector must be actually rugged and good for a decent amount of insertions. No real locking needed, and low power as well
2016-09-30T03:26:00 < upgrdman> rugged? DB
2016-09-30T03:26:06 < fenugrec> cheap ? DB
2016-09-30T03:26:14 < aandrew> DB     
2016-09-30T03:26:24 < aandrew> if you want to get fancy, Lemo
2016-09-30T03:26:26 < fenugrec> I bet with quality pins & sockets, DB could last a fair number of cycles
2016-09-30T03:26:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> aha, that's super convenient
2016-09-30T03:26:47 < aandrew> if you want it to be able to be run over by a tank, circuilar mil-spec (I think this is what upgrdman calls cannon
2016-09-30T03:27:06 < upgrdman> fenugrec calls them cannon
2016-09-30T03:27:08 < Jak_o_Shadows> I have a bunch of DBB-15 (2 row) female, just need to get the male ones
2016-09-30T03:27:12 < upgrdman> i just learned that word today :)
2016-09-30T03:27:40 < upgrdman> and cannon is better than calling them mil-spec, because many are not actually mil-spec
2016-09-30T03:27:43 < fenugrec> from ITT Cannon I guess. they get called cannon plugs often round here
2016-09-30T03:27:49 < upgrdman> and theres tons of mil-specs
2016-09-30T03:28:13 < aandrew> this is one I use a lot, but don't get that specific one because they're too expensive: http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/amphenol-industrial-operations/MS3102R-20-27P/MS3102R-20-27P-ND/378634
2016-09-30T03:28:21 < aandrew> there's a company in japan that makes identical ones for half the price
2016-09-30T03:28:46 < fenugrec> aandrew nice, what company ?
2016-09-30T03:28:47 < aandrew> that is used on a hydraulic piledriver I designed the controller for
2016-09-30T03:28:55 < aandrew> fenugrec: let me look it up, I can never remember the name of it
2016-09-30T03:29:01 < fenugrec> 20$ for a milspec circular connector is actually a fair price
2016-09-30T03:29:38 < aandrew> DDK     
2016-09-30T03:29:43 < aandrew> now I remember. I always think of "duck"
2016-09-30T03:29:46 < Jak_o_Shadows> Those USB-pass through type ones are bloody neat
2016-09-30T03:29:47 < aandrew> get them through electroshield
2016-09-30T03:30:00 < aandrew> http://www.electroshield.com/product-details.php?item_no=DMS3102E20-27S-A&manu_no=DDK&catid=35
2016-09-30T03:30:09 < aandrew> price seems to have gone up though, go figure
2016-09-30T03:30:22 < fenugrec> still fair
2016-09-30T03:30:32 < fenugrec> do you have to order contacts separately ?
2016-09-30T03:30:35 < aandrew> no     
2016-09-30T03:30:52 < aandrew> it's a single unit, and it takes about a half a pound of solder to properly solder it :-)
2016-09-30T03:31:06 < aandrew> actually
2016-09-30T03:31:24 < fenugrec> hehe
2016-09-30T03:31:24 < aandrew> I may have mis-spoke, I don't make the cable end, I think it is also solder cup but maybe it is crimped and thus separate pins
2016-09-30T03:32:00 < aandrew> fenugrec: My precious, precious supply of organic core lead solder was really hit hard when I made a few batches of those controllers
2016-09-30T03:32:08 < fenugrec> I think yeah the cable ends are probably usually separate contacts & receptacle
2016-09-30T03:32:16 < fenugrec> SnPb ftw
2016-09-30T03:32:29 < fenugrec> 0.3% rosin, 0.5mm
2016-09-30T03:33:04 < aandrew> I have .75mm solder here
2016-09-30T03:33:07 < aandrew> Kester 24-6040-6403
2016-09-30T03:33:16 < aandrew> my fine grade solder for SMT work though is much finer
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2016-09-30T03:33:50 < aandrew> Kester 24-6337-8806, it's 63/37 not 60/40 and 0.4mm
2016-09-30T03:34:04 < aandrew> got a shitpile of that still
2016-09-30T03:34:08 < aandrew> it doesn't go too fast
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2016-09-30T04:15:23 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/eoxyorvzdjox.png
2016-09-30T04:16:18 < stvn> what a shoah
2016-09-30T04:17:12 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/bb168775a4a34adba89e4c1f1b09dc23?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=fa0a8fccb8eb7a0384cb170280bd9c3f
2016-09-30T04:20:54 < upgrdman> lol  https://i.redd.it/9tmc3o1uh6ox.jpg
2016-09-30T04:21:22 < upgrdman> tie ground to live, what could go wrong
2016-09-30T04:21:35 < upgrdman> s/ground/chassis
2016-09-30T04:25:16 < upgrdman> R2COM, most registrars offer private reg
2016-09-30T04:25:26 < dongs> ya my dumb site got cockblocked for 2 days
2016-09-30T04:25:30 < upgrdman> e.g. the official address/phone is their middleman
2016-09-30T04:25:41 < dongs> becausae nameSHIT was sending me emails about contact verification
2016-09-30T04:25:44 < dongs> but i never actually got them
2016-09-30T04:25:53 < dongs> because they were so spammy in content google didnt even bother delivering them to spam
2016-09-30T04:25:56 < upgrdman> i use google domains and they offer private free at no extra charge
2016-09-30T04:26:28 < upgrdman> no     
2016-09-30T04:26:31 < upgrdman> farrellf.com
2016-09-30T04:26:34 < upgrdman> is me
2016-09-30T04:26:39 < upgrdman> and reg'd with google
2016-09-30T04:26:55 < upgrdman> $12 per year per .com
2016-09-30T04:26:59 < upgrdman> no     
2016-09-30T04:27:04 < upgrdman> theyre just a fucking registrar.
2016-09-30T04:27:13 < upgrdman> no gimmics. no ads. etc.
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2016-09-30T04:28:25 < upgrdman> so they can contact you legally
2016-09-30T04:28:44 < Rob235> http://rotorbuilds.com/build/1260
2016-09-30T04:28:45 < upgrdman> if shit hits the fan, an address is one of the few legally-accepted formal means of communication
2016-09-30T04:28:51 < Rob235> yea I'm cool
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2016-09-30T04:30:00 < upgrdman> R2COM, use a registrar that offers private registration. or use a PO Box
2016-09-30T04:30:20 < dongs> just give them address of AOL Japan office
2016-09-30T04:30:34 < dongs> thats what I have on gnaa.us
2016-09-30T04:30:54 < upgrdman> and your email is billg@microsoft.com or tcook@fapple.com
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2016-09-30T04:31:33 < dongs> billg doesnt even do microsoft anymore
2016-09-30T04:31:37 < dongs> thats why its a fucking shitheap
2016-09-30T04:31:52 < dongs> taken over by that indian/paki satella or wahtever teh fuck his name is
2016-09-30T04:32:36 < dongs> hm ill have to see how much im paying to namecheap for .com
2016-09-30T04:32:44 < dongs> maybe i should move to jewgle but then again
2016-09-30T04:32:54 < dongs> they'll probly make their domains service discontinued in a year or two
2016-09-30T04:36:10 < dongs> yes     
2016-09-30T04:37:03 < stvn> sup stm32 chatterz
2016-09-30T04:38:08 < ReadErr> dongs: or they can do you how they did ABLomas 
2016-09-30T04:38:26 < ReadErr> take all your shit and lock you out
2016-09-30T04:38:47 < dongs> google?
2016-09-30T04:39:02 < ReadErr> yea, if you violate TOS
2016-09-30T04:39:10 < ReadErr> they will completely fuck anything *google you own
2016-09-30T04:39:16 < ReadErr> youtube, playstore
2016-09-30T04:39:20 < ReadErr> erthang
2016-09-30T04:39:22 < stvn> the kikes?
2016-09-30T04:39:35 < dongs> why would I violate TOS
2016-09-30T04:41:29 < stvn> if you do they'll decommission your oven mate
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2016-09-30T04:51:20 < stvn> get out ya mac11 and hunt down a pack of blacks
2016-09-30T05:00:59 < aandrew> Rob235: to go from zero to what you have in what, 3 months? impressive
2016-09-30T05:02:16 < Rob235> 3 months?
2016-09-30T05:02:35 < Rob235> add a year?
2016-09-30T05:02:36 < aandrew> Rob235: may 2016
2016-09-30T05:02:37 < aandrew> oh      
2016-09-30T05:02:38 < aandrew> 2015
2016-09-30T05:02:44 < aandrew> ok 15 months
2016-09-30T05:02:48 < aandrew> not as impressive. :-)
2016-09-30T05:02:53 < Rob235> without breaks it came out to about 9 months of working on it
2016-09-30T05:04:03 < Rob235> and the first 5 months of the 15 months was wasted on learning arduino
2016-09-30T05:04:09 < Rob235> anyway, it doesn't have to be impressive
2016-09-30T05:04:16 < Rob235> I'm happy I got it to work
2016-09-30T05:04:27 < aandrew> it's a compliment, just take it
2016-09-30T05:04:30 < Rob235> heh     
2016-09-30T05:04:36 < Rob235> thanks
2016-09-30T05:04:42 < aandrew> what kind of budget did you have for this?
2016-09-30T05:05:02 < Rob235> you see the chart at the bottom of that site? 
2016-09-30T05:05:09 < aandrew> haven't got that far yet
2016-09-30T05:05:15 < Rob235> has a breakdown of parts
2016-09-30T05:05:16 < Rob235> and prices
2016-09-30T05:05:25 < aandrew> where do you live that you've got that knd of property? nice place
2016-09-30T05:05:33 < stvn> englishman: i'm making a gangsta rap album to fund my purchase of altium designer
2016-09-30T05:05:48 < Rob235> if you are talking about the first two like youtube vids they are at a nearby park
2016-09-30T05:05:54 < Rob235> I live in NJ, us
2016-09-30T05:06:01 < aandrew> < stvn> englishman: i'm making a gangsta rap album to fund my purchase of altium designer
2016-09-30T05:06:05 < aandrew> lol     
2016-09-30T05:06:19 < aandrew> if you're a student you can get it for $100 if you promise not to do commerical stuff
2016-09-30T05:06:32 < stvn> no longer student ;(
2016-09-30T05:06:42 < aandrew> got a student ID that can pass?
2016-09-30T05:06:55 < stvn> nah i'd rather stay within the license agreement
2016-09-30T05:06:56 < upgrdman> anyone have or know of a usb3 hub with individual port switches THAT YOU LIKE ? i see lots of those shit china ones for $5... uh no.
2016-09-30T05:06:56 < aandrew> I'm not a student either but I've got a kid in college, so he's got an altium license
2016-09-30T05:07:11 < aandrew> upgrdman: I have some orico one, I like it a lot
2016-09-30T05:07:19 < aandrew> switch for 3 ports not individual port but it works well
2016-09-30T05:08:15 < aandrew> englishman: lol
2016-09-30T05:08:18 < aandrew> all they do is party
2016-09-30T05:08:37 < stvn> englishman: did the pick and place become self aware?
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2016-09-30T05:26:04 < ReadErr> eBay.com offers $15 off $60 when you apply coupon code CFLASHSAVE15NOW at checkout. Promotion (promo info) is valid until 10pm PT today,
2016-09-30T05:26:08 < ReadErr> stay scamming my friends
2016-09-30T05:26:29 < ReadErr> aandrew: how?
2016-09-30T05:26:37 < ReadErr> I got an .edu and studentID still
2016-09-30T05:26:58 < ReadErr> do they call and check enrollment status?
2016-09-30T05:27:05 < stvn> some do
2016-09-30T05:27:12 < stvn> some need you to scan your student ID
2016-09-30T05:27:15 < stvn> iirc for matlab
2016-09-30T05:27:47 < stvn> but i prefer to stay in the green with shit like this, these pricks have moar shekels than i do.
2016-09-30T05:27:47 < ReadErr> I mean I got both
2016-09-30T05:27:50 < ReadErr> but im graduated 
2016-09-30T05:27:55 < stvn> an probably better lawyers too ;)
2016-09-30T05:27:59 < ReadErr> so im not enrolled 
2016-09-30T05:29:29 < aandrew> ReadErr: contact your alitum rep, say you are a starving student and want to learn how to use altium for some of your hobby projects
2016-09-30T05:29:40 < aandrew> no they don't check, but they will want a pic of your student id
2016-09-30T05:29:50 < ReadErr> oh god, will they call me every week 
2016-09-30T05:29:55 < ReadErr> like most places try to do
2016-09-30T05:29:58 < aandrew> nope I've never been contacted
2016-09-30T05:30:26 < stvn> nah they'll try and make you use circuitcuckstudio
2016-09-30T05:30:46 < stvn> can't even read altium files
2016-09-30T05:32:41 < ReadErr> aandrew: get vault access and stuff?
2016-09-30T05:32:49 < aandrew> yep     
2016-09-30T05:32:54 < aandrew> be careful with that though
2016-09-30T05:33:08 < aandrew> you can't update your libraries if at some point in the future you don't have vault access anymore
2016-09-30T05:33:14 < aandrew> found that out the hard way
2016-09-30T05:33:34 < aandrew> you don't lose anything but you also get annoying pauses/errors when you try to change something that came from the vault
2016-09-30T05:33:52 < aandrew> I wonder if you can sidestep that by creating an intlib from the shcematic/board while you still have vault access
2016-09-30T05:33:56 < aandrew> haven't tried
2016-09-30T05:34:02 < aandrew> hm, 6 pins left on this STM32F7
2016-09-30T05:34:20 < dongs> aandrew: i hate all the extra trash vault adds
2016-09-30T05:34:26 < dongs> so what I do is just open the vault component
2016-09-30T05:34:30 < dongs> ctrl=a the schematic
2016-09-30T05:34:35 < dongs> and paste it into my internal local lib(s)
2016-09-30T05:34:38 < ReadErr> cant you rip stuff from the vault ?
2016-09-30T05:34:45 < ReadErr> like place shit and then extract
2016-09-30T05:35:00 < dongs> i dont need all those dynamic stock urls and datasaheet crap and wahtever the fuck aids
2016-09-30T05:35:06 < ReadErr> the make library from pcb 
2016-09-30T05:35:14 < stvn> a real shoah
2016-09-30T05:37:52 < ReadErr> shit I might just do it for vault ripping 
2016-09-30T05:38:07 < ReadErr> and so dongs cant talk shit about my stolen altium 
2016-09-30T05:41:39 < stvn> sounds like you're playing fallout mate
2016-09-30T05:41:53 < ReadErr> homie dont play games
2016-09-30T05:41:57 < ReadErr> IRC is srs biz
2016-09-30T05:42:01 < stvn> yeah 
2016-09-30T05:42:06 < stvn> that's what i said to my mum
2016-09-30T05:42:29 < stvn> and then her black boyfriend busted up my jaw
2016-09-30T05:43:18 < stvn> this doesn't feel like a work day to me
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2016-09-30T05:52:56 < dongs> did they release something new?
2016-09-30T05:53:02 < dongs> or did you have to do the hacks
2016-09-30T05:53:21 < dongs> Last Updated October 2013
2016-09-30T05:53:22 < dongs> As of October 2013, ISE has moved into the sustaining phase of its product life cycle, and there are no more planned ISE releases. 
2016-09-30T05:53:25 < dongs> haha.
2016-09-30T05:53:34 < stvn> wtf is ise
2016-09-30T05:54:11 < stvn> oh xilinx shit
2016-09-30T05:54:55 < stvn> yet the development tools are??
2016-09-30T05:55:10 < stvn> ^     
2016-09-30T05:55:37 < stvn> i'm used to this being a typical case
2016-09-30T05:58:20 < dongs> whats hilarious is they execpt people to move to that vivdao whatever shit
2016-09-30T05:58:24 < dongs> but it doesnt evne support spartan6
2016-09-30T05:58:28 < dongs> or anytthing below 7-series
2016-09-30T05:58:31 < dongs> like cpld etc shit
2016-09-30T06:03:25 < dongs> build a sample and try pingflooding it
2016-09-30T06:04:43 < dongs> no, neither of my projects needed speed, just telnet interface and another one sends UDP every 0.5s
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2016-09-30T06:12:17 < ReadErr> ISE worked fine on LUNIX
2016-09-30T06:12:49 < ReadErr> it was a million GB to download/install 
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2016-09-30T06:31:13 < stvn> what the fucken shit is that guy doing in that vid?!?!
2016-09-30T06:32:50 < LeelooMinai> well, it's not silly - seems a HUD for DMM
2016-09-30T06:33:31 < LeelooMinai> I kind of wanted something similar - detachable display. quite a few times - so when probing you don't have to take the sight from the pcb.
2016-09-30T06:34:42 < LeelooMinai> Alternativelly I could have a talking DMM too - that could work, kind of:)
2016-09-30T06:35:14 < dongs> talking? looking at? fuck off. real pros just stick their finger in instead of probes and know the voltage
2016-09-30T06:36:43 < Jak_o_Shadows> I have, but not with a huge contact area.
2016-09-30T06:37:20 < LeelooMinai> It's pretty easy to sliipt the probe when lookind at DMM. I made this and they help a lot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/14419652122
2016-09-30T06:37:48 < LeelooMinai> I also use machinist holders to hold them, but still - some kind of HUD would be nice I guess.
2016-09-30T06:38:59 < LeelooMinai> Not sure why the big guys, like Fluke, Agilent, etc. did not think about something like that. It would sell to the HV electricians even - for them it's even more important that they do not get distracted.
2016-09-30T06:39:24 < LeelooMinai> (I mean the HUD thing)
2016-09-30T06:42:58 < PeterM> i've stuck my finger accross contacts, it hurt but i could easly take my finger off them - i could imagine if it were not just my finger bridghing them though it would be difficult
2016-09-30T06:46:33 < upgrdman> damn my telemetry viewer program is turning out to be so fucking useful. just noticed an old cc2500-based transmitter i made didnt set the STM32 ADC sampling time slow enough and theres like 35 LSBs of noise... and another 40 LSBs of cross talk between ADC channels.
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2016-09-30T07:01:18 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/29/ladies_have_you_considered_not_letting_us_know_youre_female/
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2016-09-30T07:11:47 < dongs> i think something along the line of stop waving your dick around
2016-09-30T07:13:00 < PeterM> *flaps
2016-09-30T07:13:16 < LeelooMinai> I worked in Poland in IT company as a programmer. No one was being sexist, and I had the highest position sans the CEO people. Maybe it depends on the country...
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2016-09-30T07:15:49 < LeelooMinai> Man sometimes too
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2016-09-30T07:19:29  * LeelooMinai thinks she maybe was smarter than one could guess
2016-09-30T07:25:30 < LeelooMinai> https://media.giphy.com/media/4pMX5rJ4PYAEM/giphy.gif
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2016-09-30T07:27:23 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, made my old xCurrent clone kind of working, but I wish I had something that could log both high and low currents at the same time.  Would need to be something special though - pretty big dynamic range. Good at μA or even nA up to tens of mA :/
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2016-09-30T07:27:59 < LeelooMinai> The xCurrent thing requires manual switching, so it's not optimal.
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2016-09-30T07:30:00 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, auto-switching would probably be not good enought too. Well, would loose some information. So I don't know - some crazy-precision ADC - 24+ bits? :)
2016-09-30T07:31:08 < stvn> how to get famous on the innernet: burn a new piece of tech and say the battery blew up
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2016-09-30T07:31:52 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, 0.1/2^24 is 6 nano
2016-09-30T07:32:33 < LeelooMinai> But one thing is theory and another designing this thing so it's accurate. All the analog traps, offsets, etc. - could be tricky.
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2016-09-30T07:33:46 < LeelooMinai> Especially with no good equipment to verify it at the prototype stage well:/
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2016-09-30T07:57:34 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F-XmObnWkE
2016-09-30T08:03:38 < LeelooMinai> Meh, racist compilation - fail
2016-09-30T08:04:07 < stvn> where's the racism?
2016-09-30T08:04:41 < LeelooMinai> I see cops arresting black people in every segment...
2016-09-30T08:05:19 < stvn> lol     
2016-09-30T08:06:27 < dongs> http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN11Z2IE RIP NXP
2016-09-30T08:06:33 < LeelooMinai> And the cop charging like he was on drugs at 2 min or so - what an idiot...
2016-09-30T08:08:46 < stvn> i dindu nuffen
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2016-09-30T08:12:32 < upgrdman> maybe qualcomm can unfuck the lpc1768
2016-09-30T08:12:42 < upgrdman> god i hate NXP so much for that chip
2016-09-30T08:13:06 < upgrdman> maybe qualcomm just just buy nxp and EOL the lpc1768
2016-09-30T08:13:10 < upgrdman> that'd be nice
2016-09-30T08:13:26 < dongs> unfuck? yeah theyt're not gonna unfuck anything
2016-09-30T08:13:30 < dongs> they'l just close sores everything
2016-09-30T08:13:40 < dongs> qualcomm makes a fuckton of chips but they dont evne hae a site with datsheets or anythign
2016-09-30T08:13:48 < dongs> its gonna be a blackhole
2016-09-30T08:14:19 < LeelooMinai> I used one Qualcomm ic so far - a Gb PHY for my XMOS PCB - had to get it from China and had to dig some pirated datasheet for it:p
2016-09-30T08:15:22 < LeelooMinai> dig out*
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2016-09-30T08:15:46 < LeelooMinai> They are not exactly hobbyist or little EE guy friendly company...
2016-09-30T08:26:37 < ds2> Qualcomm does not exists.
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2016-09-30T08:49:44 < PeterM> why are bobbins so fucking brittle.
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2016-09-30T09:39:31 < upgrdman> wow, this is legit neat + creepy   http://web.mit.edu/vondrick/tinyvideo/
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2016-09-30T10:35:11 < Lux> rip socs with available datasheets :/
2016-09-30T10:35:19 < Lux> fuck qualcomm
2016-09-30T10:36:17 < dongs> lol @ using i.mx trash for anything serious
2016-09-30T10:36:51 < Lux> so far the stuff I'm using works well :P
2016-09-30T10:37:27 < dongs> if you werent using qualcomm flight to begin with, you were doing it wrong
2016-09-30T10:38:00 < Lux> that's what the chinese cloners do
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2016-09-30T11:03:26 < Thorn> google quallcom flight -> website -> forum -> Debug Connector Schematic? -> http://support.intrinsyc.com/documents/130 -> pASSword please
2016-09-30T11:05:17 < Thorn> -l     
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2016-09-30T11:21:17 < dongs> motherFUCKER
2016-09-30T11:21:35 < dongs> spiwrite(reg & 0x80);
2016-09-30T11:21:44 < dongs> spent an hour and tore up a board cuz of this
2016-09-30T11:21:49 < dongs> instead of | 0x80
2016-09-30T11:22:56 < zyp> haha
2016-09-30T11:23:22 < dongs> now i gotta goldwire 3 5mil traces
2016-09-30T11:23:28 < dongs> with 5mil spacing
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2016-09-30T11:23:32 < dongs> fucking fuck
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2016-09-30T11:30:13 < ReadErr> easy with a fiberglass brush
2016-09-30T11:33:29 < dongs> fiberwaht
2016-09-30T11:35:02 < ReadErr> http://www.micromark.com/ultra-micro-fiberglass-brush,7850.html
2016-09-30T11:35:11 < ReadErr> tool of the clone trade
2016-09-30T11:35:23 < ReadErr> removes the mask but leaves copper perfectly intact 
2016-09-30T11:35:36 < dongs> oic yea i d ont have that.
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2016-09-30T12:00:26 < dongs> OK SPI accel only adds liek extra 2uA during standby
2016-09-30T12:00:34 < dongs> so 2.6 F4 and 2uA accel
2016-09-30T12:00:38 < dongs> much better.
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2016-09-30T12:23:30 < karlp> dongs: plus, no more i2fuckoff anymore!
2016-09-30T12:23:32  * karlp cheers
2016-09-30T12:25:49 < dongs> ya     
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2016-09-30T12:48:38 < dongs> plus SPI looks so much cleaner on scope
2016-09-30T12:48:44 < dongs> nice sharp edges
2016-09-30T12:48:53 < kakimir> better see if china has done those brushed
2016-09-30T12:48:58 < kakimir> *S     
2016-09-30T12:51:16 < kakimir> china has
2016-09-30T12:57:49 < karlp> aandrew: not really, I know how much db9 is still around, but I refuse to buy dev boards with db9 connectors for instance :)
2016-09-30T13:04:23 < zyp> aww     
2016-09-30T13:04:36 < zyp> specificly for rs232, or for anything?
2016-09-30T13:11:46 < dongs> just replace everytrhing with usb-c
2016-09-30T13:13:09 < karlp> dongs: xilnix is releasing a new spartan7 for low cost stuff apparently, which will be supported in vivado.
2016-09-30T13:13:30 < karlp> (but nto available yet, and doens't help witht he piles of spartan6 out there of course)
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2016-09-30T14:03:42 < dongs> lol fuckem
2016-09-30T14:03:46 < dongs> icecube does the job
2016-09-30T14:03:49 < dongs> without faggotry
2016-09-30T14:03:50 < dongs> and runs on win10
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2016-09-30T14:07:14 < zyp> are you saying that icecube is a decent tool?
2016-09-30T14:07:53 < dongs> anything that doesnt require gross hacks or 3 jvm copies installed is a decent tool
2016-09-30T14:08:28 < dongs> i got these stencils for workshit from taiwan they're so awful
2016-09-30T14:08:49 < dongs> they fucked with every capacitor footprint
2016-09-30T14:09:07 < dongs> and added a _||_ thing on each inside edge
2016-09-30T14:09:24 < dongs> so when I run my stencil wiping shit across it, it gets stuck
2016-09-30T14:09:46 < zyp> haha, wat
2016-09-30T14:10:58 < zyp> so essentially they made a stencil with concave apertures?
2016-09-30T14:11:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/h55XZiz.png
2016-09-30T14:11:49 < dongs> like normally cap is just black rectangles right
2016-09-30T14:12:10 < dongs> but they added that extra shit in each one
2016-09-30T14:12:25 < zyp> haha, why the fuck
2016-09-30T14:12:28 < dongs> yeah no fucking idea
2016-09-30T14:12:58 < dongs> last time that place sent me stencils about a year ago it was same shit but it was all 0402 and only a couple 0603 so they didnt fuck with small footprints
2016-09-30T14:13:12 < dongs> but this time shits full of 1206 and 1210 type caps and  they have that lip in each one of those
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2016-09-30T14:13:55 < dongs> its probly something to do with limiting how much paste is in the pad or something but wahtever, all it does is fuck shit up
2016-09-30T14:14:13 < dongs> i never had problems with full-sized pads even on large components
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2016-09-30T14:24:12 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/eb9weR.jpg
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2016-09-30T14:39:26 < dongs> oh, they do this shit on everything 0603 and abov
2016-09-30T14:39:35 < dongs> old stencil had a couple 0603s and they had that trash there
2016-09-30T14:39:38 < dongs> fucking FAGS FUCK
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2016-09-30T14:44:52 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/tmgjAIj.jpg
2016-09-30T14:51:31 < dongs> is that even supposed to be funny
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2016-09-30T15:43:45 < Steffanx> Yes.
2016-09-30T15:51:48 < stvn> englishman, http://i.imgur.com/wtPrhxM.jpg
2016-09-30T15:52:48 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/VtspVUd.jpg
2016-09-30T15:53:09 < stvn> i stopped by a friend's place and he told me of his new visitor
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2016-09-30T16:13:21 < aandrew> karlp: oh I agree, USB serial all the way, but USB has one fatal flaw for industrial: no way to lock the connector. There are some variants and there are orange plastic (high retention) but nothing like a good old pair of screws
2016-09-30T16:15:59 < karlp> http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0395000002_TERMINAL_BLOCKS.xml comes in versions with screw termianls on the side too.
2016-09-30T16:16:03 < karlp> and with clone vendors
2016-09-30T16:16:50 < aandrew> aren't those just a clone of the Phoenix connectors?
2016-09-30T16:16:59 < aandrew> I'm a huge fan of the MKDS2,5 series
2016-09-30T16:17:16 < aandrew> they come in screw terminal soldered to baord as well as screw terminal pluggable
2016-09-30T16:17:25 < aandrew> they have small versions too, the 2,5 ones are fairly beefy
2016-09-30T16:23:49 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOKkSWtt_V8
2016-09-30T16:23:59 < dongs> englishman: this is taiwan, i believe they get them made locally
2016-09-30T16:24:03 < dongs> even chinese shit sucked less
2016-09-30T16:25:12 < karlp> aandrew: not sure who's cloneing who, but molex was easier to link the part to
2016-09-30T16:25:28 < aandrew> yes, I have a hell of a time with phoenix's website
2016-09-30T16:25:43 < karlp> what they _don't_ have is a version that plugs into that receptacle, with crimped termianls
2016-09-30T16:26:21 < aandrew> correct; I think the idea is to use bootlace ferrules and crimp THOSE on the wires, then screw them in
2016-09-30T16:26:39 < karlp> yeah, but that's more work and makes the system bulkier
2016-09-30T16:27:13 < karlp> we like that system for making custom cables on site, but we're trying to get custom cables made, and were hoping for just a crimp version so it could be sleeved and more compact, instead of still having the screws on it
2016-09-30T16:31:05 < karlp> multi drop cabling and plugs just sucks arse.
2016-09-30T16:31:22 < karlp> two connectors on your device, for up/down, or multiple wires into each connector, whcih sucks too
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2016-09-30T16:42:02 < zyp> karlp, in what way does two connector suck apart from extra space needed?
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2016-09-30T16:47:32 < aandrew> yep     
2016-09-30T16:47:36 < aandrew> wire harnesses are shite
2016-09-30T16:47:45 < aandrew> they're labour-intensive and error prone
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2016-09-30T16:50:35 < karlp> that's the important part zyp, yeah
2016-09-30T16:51:13 < karlp> weird tradeoff of single connector with screws that _can_ do everything, vs two connectors that ou _must_ use premade cables with blah blah blha
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2016-09-30T16:56:40 < qyx> aandrew: agreed
2016-09-30T16:57:49 < dongs> how fast is mass erase on say a 1-2meg flash aprt?
2016-09-30T16:57:52 < dongs> is it still instant?
2016-09-30T16:59:45 < zyp> karlp, what about two pairs of screws?
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2016-09-30T17:00:27 < karlp> screws what?
2016-09-30T17:01:12 < aandrew> dongs: not instant, but fairly fast (few hundred ms I think? doesn't the datasheet say?
2016-09-30T17:01:21 < zyp> screw connectors?
2016-09-30T17:01:27 < zyp> screw terminals rather
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2016-09-30T17:44:11 < karlp> zyp: sure, we found one connector that had two sets of inputs and screws, but it was thicker than the entire product.
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2016-09-30T19:55:32 < Steffanx> Hows the airfryer zyp?
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2016-09-30T20:11:58 < Rob235> blah
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2016-09-30T20:27:06 < BrainDamage> just the right amount of unfunny too, you nailed it
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2016-09-30T21:40:06 < LeelooMinai> They forgot to include "Do you want to see my electric bus?" :)
2016-09-30T21:40:41 < LeelooMinai> Also, I think someone wanted to give him some comic book...
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2016-09-30T21:51:54 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgpQgWLXEZWSplxs1eB9Gvw <- in case some pro irc ee finally wants to learn embedded dev
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2016-09-30T22:03:10 < Rob235> how often would you read current/voltage on a multicopter flight controller?
2016-09-30T22:04:31 < Rob235> 400 hz fast enough?
2016-09-30T22:06:55 < upgrdman> what are you doing with those V/A measurements, rob
2016-09-30T22:07:10 < zyp> > /dev/null
2016-09-30T22:07:40 < Thorn> does increasing frequency reveal some features in the signal or just add noise?
2016-09-30T22:08:25 < upgrdman> Thorn, people are still teaching PIC32 these days? lol
2016-09-30T22:08:44 < Thorn> he had some lame ass excuse about that
2016-09-30T22:08:51 < Thorn> arm is more difficult or something
2016-09-30T22:10:34 < upgrdman> ya that is a lame excuse. if students are cornell can't handle ARM, how the fuck can the chinese do it
2016-09-30T22:11:20 < upgrdman> anyway, i used to sub to him, but unsub'd because it's flood me at the end of every semester with fucktons of unoriginal student projects
2016-09-30T22:11:34 < upgrdman> but the occasional gem was there too.
2016-09-30T22:15:46 < Rob235> integrating to estimate flight time remaining?
2016-09-30T22:15:54 < Rob235> I think?
2016-09-30T22:16:10 < LeelooMinai> You could do it on board maybe.
2016-09-30T22:16:12 < Rob235> I havent researched battery stuff much yet so I'm assuming thats what people do
2016-09-30T22:16:31 < LeelooMinai> And just send the time remaining.
2016-09-30T22:17:08 < Rob235> well I figure if I sample at like 400hz or something I should be fine?
2016-09-30T22:17:24 < upgrdman> Rob235, hmm on a quad i'd try for >1kSPS if i was going to integrate power. but why not just low-pass voltage, at a low samples rate (1Hz or so) and only just voltage when throttle is at some reasonable %. 
2016-09-30T22:17:44 < upgrdman> *and only monitor voltage
2016-09-30T22:17:54 < upgrdman> e.g. just test voltage under load
2016-09-30T22:18:47 < Rob235> well like I said, I'm not sure what my ultimate goal is yet, just wanted to set up timing first but I guess I have to figure out that other question before I can do that
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2016-09-30T22:19:00 < Laurenceb_> happy blasphemy day
2016-09-30T22:19:02 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/tinK1c.jpg
2016-09-30T22:23:48 < Rickta59> does anyone know about the wi6labs people .. are they are frequent contributor to st software?
2016-09-30T22:23:56 < Rob235> I could just have dma measure it fast and store it in an array and just calculate the average at 100hz or something. 
2016-09-30T22:24:27 < Steffanx> it's brother and sister day, not whatever else day.
2016-09-30T22:24:42 < Rob235> bleh, most family sucks
2016-09-30T22:25:04 < Rickta59> seems they are the ones who made the arduino port to the nucleo boards using HAL MX
2016-09-30T22:25:27 < Steffanx> never heard of wi6labs Rickta59
2016-09-30T22:25:42 < Rickta59> supposedly out of Rennes France
2016-09-30T22:26:51 < Rickta59> either they are rookies or don't care
2016-09-30T22:27:03 < Rickta59> http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=1413&start=10#p18155
2016-09-30T22:29:46 < Rickta59> instead of sampling all the time Rob235, why not just set up and op amp at decreasing levels as the battery level decreases
2016-09-30T22:29:55 < Rickta59> an op amp
2016-09-30T22:30:20 < Rickta59> don't some of the stm32 chips have an op amp peripheral?
2016-09-30T22:30:32 < zyp> f3 does
2016-09-30T22:30:32 < Laurenceb_> yes     
2016-09-30T22:30:39 < Laurenceb_> and L152
2016-09-30T22:30:41 < zyp> and iirc some of the newer
2016-09-30T22:30:43 < Laurenceb_> if you can find one
2016-09-30T22:31:17 < Laurenceb_> if you want to detect poor battery just use analogue watchdog
2016-09-30T22:31:27 < Laurenceb_> thats how I detect poor batteries on dataloggers
2016-09-30T22:31:29 < LeelooMinai> L4 has one too
2016-09-30T22:31:32 < Rickta59> i think he said he wanted to predict remaining time
2016-09-30T22:31:36 < Laurenceb_> ah     
2016-09-30T22:31:40 < Laurenceb_> yeah not so simple
2016-09-30T22:32:35 < Steffanx> Better ask Apple for their secret algorithms
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2016-09-30T23:01:06 < LeelooMinai> Probably already patented. "Predicting Remaining Battery Energy By Using Time Travel Apparatus"
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2016-09-30T23:02:21 < jadew> They must have the army involved. No one man can check all the phones in the world.
2016-09-30T23:08:03 < Rob235> Rickta59: what's an op amp
2016-09-30T23:08:19 < LeelooMinai> op-amp op-amps
2016-09-30T23:08:45 < Rob235> I wish I wasn't such a noob
2016-09-30T23:10:30 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: You can think of it as a circuit that can look at in input and perform some operation in respect to it to control its output.
2016-09-30T23:11:40 < LeelooMinai> So you can, say, amplify it, like transistor could, but with much better control and accuracy, you can use op-amp, to sum inputs, subtract, integrate even, etc.
2016-09-30T23:12:25 < LeelooMinai> It's called op-amp as a short of "operational amplifier" - in old days it was used in analog computers to perform math operations.
2016-09-30T23:13:12 < LeelooMinai> It's kind of an analog circuits work-horse IC - you can use it in zillions cases for various tasks.
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2016-09-30T23:22:35 < LeelooMinai> You can use it in many many configurations to achieve tremendous results and make your devices great again.
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2016-09-30T23:40:12 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, interesting: http://www.silanna.com/usb
2016-09-30T23:40:23 < LeelooMinai> But I think this IC is not buyable yet.
2016-09-30T23:49:51 < LeelooMinai> Checked on Digi and seems that AD already has 600Mbps isolators - impressive. 2 years ago or so I think max was 150Mbps
2016-09-30T23:50:20 < LeelooMinai> Unidirectional though, so not directly applicable to USB, but still.
2016-09-30T23:51:35 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, could make LA isolator out of those though...
2016-09-30T23:51:57 < LeelooMinai> The drawback is they are $18 a pop:)
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