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2015-09-01T00:28:48 < upgrdman> hmmm http://www.geek.com/chips/15-pc-makes-the-raspberry-pi-look-expensive-1632604/
2015-09-01T00:30:28 < upgrdman> $19 shipped, seems much better than a pi
2015-09-01T00:31:06 < Sync_> but you have to deal with the allwinner bullshit
2015-09-01T00:31:28 < kakimir> does it even have rtc
2015-09-01T00:32:00 < Sync_> who needs a rtc when you have ntp
2015-09-01T00:32:57 < upgrdman> whats wrong with allwiner stuff?
2015-09-01T00:34:26 < kakimir> when you want to utilize it for shiet without internet accesss?
2015-09-01T00:35:10 < upgrdman> kakimir, then use an external rtc. it seems like most apps for SBCs are net-connected
2015-09-01T00:35:41 < artag> you don't always need an rtc either
2015-09-01T00:35:42 < kakimir> it's still gay
2015-09-01T00:36:12 < artag> if you care about time of day, run a pll against light level
2015-09-01T00:36:34 < kakimir> sweeet
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2015-09-01T00:38:20 < upgrdman> kinda wish it used usb for power. who the f wants to buy a power brick for the SBC when damn near everything has a usb port or usb "charger"
2015-09-01T00:38:37 < upgrdman> 5v2a is doable with over usb
2015-09-01T00:38:45 < kakimir> I don't need but potential application may require logging of production or such with somewhat correct timestamp
2015-09-01T00:39:10 < upgrdman> so buy a $2 rtc dongle from ebay or ali
2015-09-01T00:39:27 < kakimir> no I made my own 20$ rtc
2015-09-01T00:39:29 < upgrdman> im sure theres tons for the dingleberry pi market
2015-09-01T00:40:21 < Lux> there is, but you have to dick around a bit to get it running under linux
2015-09-01T00:40:40 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-01T00:40:57 < kakimir> and not too little to make proper scripts and shiet
2015-09-01T00:41:16 < Lux> and it looks like they are busy on getting all the allwinner patches mainline
2015-09-01T00:41:20 < kakimir> service scripts turn off some stuff
2015-09-01T00:41:43 < Lux> so i guess the support will get better
2015-09-01T00:42:00 < kakimir> and make installation script for getting it working in multiple devices without hassle
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2015-09-01T00:51:46 < kakimir> you can count days how long it takes for someone without understanding of udev rules, service scripts, linux system clock or bash scripting for creating installation script
2015-09-01T00:51:53 < kakimir> to make it proper
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2015-09-01T00:56:14 < kakimir> you can make it dirty in 15minutes sure
2015-09-01T00:57:21 < upgrdman> seems like it's a solved problem
2015-09-01T00:57:24 < upgrdman> e.g. http://thepihut.com/blogs/raspberry-pi-tutorials/17209332-adding-a-real-time-clock-to-your-raspberry-pi
2015-09-01T01:00:16 < kakimir> does it keep time synced?
2015-09-01T01:01:08 < upgrdman> it's an rtc. wtf do you think?
2015-09-01T01:01:21 < upgrdman> read the last paragraph on that page
2015-09-01T01:01:52 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-01T01:02:05 < kakimir> but does it keep actual rtc time corrected?
2015-09-01T01:02:43 < kakimir> if there is ntp in use or user adjusts clock
2015-09-01T01:06:11 < kakimir> what is seen does only one direction
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2015-09-01T02:30:39 < zyp> kakimir, uh, it registers it as the system hw clock, so the system takes care of keeping it synced
2015-09-01T02:31:15 < dongs> lannix
2015-09-01T02:31:29 < kakimir> what exactly registers is?
2015-09-01T02:31:53 < dongs> adds to the system as a clock source.
2015-09-01T02:32:08 < dongs> tells kernel "hey there's this shit on i2c that has correct time, all the time"
2015-09-01T02:32:12 < kakimir> what system
2015-09-01T02:32:17 < dongs> lunix kernel
2015-09-01T02:32:25 < kakimir> does lunix kernel give a shit?
2015-09-01T02:32:28 < dongs> yes
2015-09-01T02:32:40 < kakimir> how you know all this?
2015-09-01T02:32:46 < dongs> with more systemd, it will give even MORE shit
2015-09-01T02:33:02 < kakimir> you hate lunix so muxh you learn it
2015-09-01T02:33:02 < dongs> kakimir: beacuse unlike you, I can fucking read English
2015-09-01T02:33:10 < dongs> and what zyp said is pretty clear
2015-09-01T02:33:26 < zyp> I heard systemd guys got so NIH about ntpd, so they made their own timesyncd
2015-09-01T02:33:37 < dongs> kakimir: no, until 5 minutes ago I had no idea that was possible
2015-09-01T02:33:42 < dongs> zyp: haha
2015-09-01T02:34:12 < dongs> wow, you werent joking
2015-09-01T02:34:48 < BrainDamage> they also made their own su
2015-09-01T02:35:00 < BrainDamage> which is getting all neckbeards on fire
2015-09-01T02:35:15 < dongs> is all this shit written in C++
2015-09-01T02:35:47 < kakimir> do you ever get that feeling you shouldn't go any deeper?
2015-09-01T02:36:05 < kakimir> you are talking pure lunix already
2015-09-01T02:39:41 < __rob> anyone know how to hide rooms or make them transparent in Altium ?
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2015-09-01T02:49:03 < zyp> idk, I don't use rooms
2015-09-01T02:49:18 < zyp> I haven't really seen the point, so I just turn off room generation
2015-09-01T02:54:01 < dongs> __rob: l, show/hdie stuff, you can turn off rooms rendering
2015-09-01T02:54:23 < dongs> do you have a reason to use them?
2015-09-01T02:54:30 < dongs> or you just didnt turn them off in design
2015-09-01T02:56:03 < dongs> if you dont actually need them (no repeating designs, etc) just turn them off in schematic, c,o,class generation, turn off generate rooms checkbox, then turn off generate classes checkbox, and update to pcb.
2015-09-01T02:57:04 < zyp> yeah, that's what I do
2015-09-01T02:57:44 < dongs> i did use htem a few times when needed
2015-09-01T02:57:52 < dongs> like rows on that huge hallsensor board
2015-09-01T02:58:00 < dongs> or 2 LED drivers on ipad thing
2015-09-01T02:58:08 < dongs> made one schematic block, routed it, copied to 2nd one
2015-09-01T02:58:21 < dongs> but I dont see any use for them on a non-hierarchical schematic
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2015-09-01T04:05:56 < karlp> right, desk just took a swim. clearly better choice is bed, not further work.
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2015-09-01T04:13:38 < dongs> R2COM: bad news, time to burn your NVIDIA cards https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/3j1916/get_your_popcorn_ready_nv_gpus_do_not_support/
2015-09-01T04:20:47 < dongs> yeah its just some bullshit indie opensauce starcraft  clone that might get 10fps less
2015-09-01T04:20:53 < dongs> and they're raising a huge stink about it
2015-09-01T04:21:03 < dongs> probly just to try and troll up more attention to their shit game
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2015-09-01T04:23:27 < dongs> too many fans
2015-09-01T04:23:33 < zyp> oh, they've finally started to make cards with more than one DP port? neat
2015-09-01T04:24:14 < dongs> yea retarded gamer trash still has DVI on them
2015-09-01T04:24:17 < dongs> that should REALLY fucking gdie
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2015-09-01T04:27:12 < zyp> yeah, add some more noise
2015-09-01T04:27:25 < zyp> your computer isn't good before it sounds like a fucking aircraft taking off
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2015-09-01T04:31:00 < dongs> haha
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2015-09-01T05:51:24 < Getty> out of some curiosity i had made my device show like a counter over an external clock and parallel a counter of internal clock, and out of distraction it is now still running a week, and both timers are still "sync"
2015-09-01T05:51:47 < Getty> i mean yeah logical, i am just fascinated by this fact right now..... i mean like billions and billions of devices with the exact same 1Hz....
2015-09-01T05:52:05 < Getty> or is it probably less fascinating if you understand how they do it "down under"?
2015-09-01T05:52:47 < dongs> wat
2015-09-01T05:53:29 < Getty> well i have 2 clocks and they are in perfect sync... i mean yeah if they say they give 1Hz then it is 1Hz or whatever xxxHz, i am just fascinated that like... they all do it right
2015-09-01T05:54:04 < dongs> 2 clocks on same chip or wat
2015-09-01T05:54:09 < Getty> no 2 chips
2015-09-01T05:54:24 < Getty> one is the arm itself, with his internal clock and one external clock
2015-09-01T05:54:40 < Getty> i mean it doesnt matter, its logical that it always works worldwide with all chips as else those chips can communicate with the other
2015-09-01T05:55:28 < Getty> i am just fascinated in this moment by the "black box" that they all have that its exactly "right" timed, exactly right frequence
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2015-09-01T06:02:42 < zyp> Getty, you say «in sync», but what's the resolution they're in sync within?
2015-09-01T06:02:45 < zyp> same second?
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2015-09-01T06:03:30 < Getty> well the external clock is on 4khz and i have an overflow that is then again making a counter that leads in the end to a +1 on a visual counter
2015-09-01T06:03:58 < Getty> the other one is... aehm i dont know, i think a 8 prescaler or so timer, which also ends up in +1 visual counter / second
2015-09-01T06:04:20 < zyp> so you're visually counting seconds?
2015-09-01T06:04:27 < Getty> yeah of course my "visual" "in sync" is not like really to be seen as perfect
2015-09-01T06:05:05 < Getty> but i just thought about it in a bigger scope, like that those 2 "random chips" are having the same Hz-counter "speed" they run to and all others are that too
2015-09-01T06:05:13 < Getty> and i feel like i wanna know how they can do that
2015-09-01T06:06:09 < Getty> is it like really that they "tune some values" till the testsuite said "Yep, thats a proper 1 Hz"?
2015-09-01T06:06:48 < zyp> timing is derived from the crystals, they are tuned to a given accuracy, typically 30ppm or so
2015-09-01T06:07:12 < Getty> so the arm includes those crystals, and they are again like mass produced and used by several?
2015-09-01T06:07:24 < zyp> 30ppm of a week is 18 seconds, so you can expect two independent clocks to not be more than 18 seconds out of sync after a week
2015-09-01T06:07:27 < Getty> somehow a bit magical "crystal" :-)
2015-09-01T06:07:31 < zyp> the crystals are external parts
2015-09-01T06:07:51 < Getty> yeah well "external", i mean, its inside the chip :)
2015-09-01T06:08:12 < Getty> or am i confused?
2015-09-01T06:08:24 < zyp> it's certainly not inside the chip
2015-09-01T06:08:58 < Getty> ah ok, i am not like making the boards, so its like there is always external crystal to give the pulse?
2015-09-01T06:09:28 < zyp> crystals usually have a metal top, or sit inside a metal canister, so they are usually easy to spot, on the board next to the microcontroller itself
2015-09-01T06:09:40 < zyp> the top is normally labelled with the frequency
2015-09-01T06:09:42 < Getty> ah yeah ok then i know which one it is here
2015-09-01T06:09:55 < Getty> yeah and the ARM board has it too, yeah
2015-09-01T06:10:04 < Getty> 18 seconds in a week is "big"
2015-09-01T06:10:12 < Getty> mine run here like 1 1/2 week now
2015-09-01T06:10:27 < zyp> yeah, but that's worst case, over the full temperature range
2015-09-01T06:10:34 < Getty> and its not 1ms desync, ok, lets say, maximum 10-50ms
2015-09-01T06:10:41 < Getty> ah ok, logical
2015-09-01T06:10:51 < zyp> if you have two parts sitting in the same stable temperature then less would not be surprising
2015-09-01T06:11:33 < Getty> oh wait, even more... i just see one crystal here, isnt the dc1307 (the external clock thing i use) also needing one?
2015-09-01T06:11:37 < Getty> so like both use the same crystal?
2015-09-01T06:11:44 < zyp> if you need more accurate timing, you get temperature compensated crystals as well (tcxo)
2015-09-01T06:12:17 < Getty> cause if they use the same crystal then it might be even more logical why its never not in sync ;)
2015-09-01T06:12:19 < zyp> which has a small heater built in which keeps the crystal at a stable temperature even if the environment is changing
2015-09-01T06:13:15 < zyp> idk
2015-09-01T06:13:32 < zyp> some external rtc chips have the crystal built into the chip itself
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2015-09-01T06:28:43 < upgrdman> anyone know of an engineering notebook (graph paper on one side, lined paper on the other side) that is spiral bound on the TOP edge (not the side) ?
2015-09-01T06:32:01 < dongs> .. paper?
2015-09-01T06:32:09 < dongs> when was the last time you wrwote soemthing on paper that wasnt your signature
2015-09-01T06:32:13 < Rickta59> http://www.amazon.com/Tops-Docket-Spiral-Quadrille-63825/dp/B001DYZ3T0
2015-09-01T06:32:37 < upgrdman> dongs, all the time. little diagrams, notes, etc.
2015-09-01T06:32:56 < Rickta59> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Doffice-products&field-keywords=spiral+steno+pad
2015-09-01T06:33:47 < englishman> i wrote a note to fedex to drop the pkg instead of making me go drive 25km to pick shit up. but i could have easily printed it out too
2015-09-01T06:34:12 < upgrdman> Rickta59, those look like either graph or lined, but not both
2015-09-01T06:34:25 < upgrdman> i like paper that is graph on one side, and lined on the other side
2015-09-01T06:34:44 < Rickta59> sounds like you need a printer and some hole punches and some wire
2015-09-01T06:34:59 < Rickta59> or you could take it apart and buy both types and then rewire them
2015-09-01T06:36:44 < upgrdman> i've found (and use) some that are graph/line combos, but theyre not spiral bound, which i find annoying
2015-09-01T06:37:01 < upgrdman> since they wont lay flat and you cant store your pen in the sprial
2015-09-01T06:38:01 < upgrdman> i want something like this, but with the spiral on the top edge:  http://www.amazon.com/NATIONAL-Engineering-Science-Notebook-33610/dp/B001E69X52/ref=sr_1_8?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1441078661&sr=1-8&keywords=engineering+paper
2015-09-01T06:50:15 < upgrdman> i like the stuff from mg chemicals
2015-09-01T06:50:43 < upgrdman> but i used leaded. not sure about whats a good lead free solder.
2015-09-01T06:51:23 < englishman> the 1/8" stuff from the plumbing store works well
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2015-09-01T07:03:47 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, with lab power supply it worked quite fine down to 3V IIRC; and operating current is some 10-20mA IIRC so should last a while
2015-09-01T07:16:06 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/xo645sw.gifv
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2015-09-01T07:59:47 < Bright> stm32
2015-09-01T07:59:54 < Bright> how do i select a device?
2015-09-01T08:09:37 < zyp> for what?
2015-09-01T08:10:06 < Bright> uh my application
2015-09-01T08:10:14 < Bright> i think i got itthough
2015-09-01T08:10:18 < zyp> sure, but what are you doing?
2015-09-01T08:10:56 < zyp> if you tell me what you want to do, I can tell you what part I'd pick for the job and the rationale for it
2015-09-01T08:12:08 < Bright> remote control TENS
2015-09-01T08:12:21 < zyp> TENS?
2015-09-01T08:12:39 < Bright> transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation
2015-09-01T08:12:58 < zyp> oh
2015-09-01T08:13:21 < Bright> i just need an MCU to plug into the computer and be able to put TENS parameters into the device from i
2015-09-01T08:13:36 < Bright> like
2015-09-01T08:14:11 < Bright> emulate a serial port or whatever
2015-09-01T08:14:15 < zyp> so, usb?
2015-09-01T08:14:21 < Bright> yea
2015-09-01T08:14:47 < zyp> if you don't have any other requirements and just want the cheapest part with usb, you want f072 or f042
2015-09-01T08:15:32 < Bright> that looks like it works
2015-09-01T08:15:39 < Bright> it doesn't need a lot of brains
2015-09-01T08:15:40 < Bright> thanks
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2015-09-01T08:17:01 < zyp> well, any of the usb capable parts would work, but when it's not a matter of what other features you need, it becomes a matter of what other features you don't want to pay for
2015-09-01T08:33:18 < jpa-> next question will be: "what usb library will use" :)
2015-09-01T08:34:48 < emeb_mac> heh
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2015-09-01T09:13:05 < dongs> upgrdman: fucking retard
2015-09-01T09:20:13 < akaWolf> jpa-: v-usb.
2015-09-01T09:23:31 < dongs> ahha vusb plz
2015-09-01T09:23:33 < dongs> isnt that tarduino shit
2015-09-01T09:26:23 < dongs> heh
2015-09-01T09:26:29 < dongs> with 2 i2c preipherals
2015-09-01T09:26:32 < dongs> theoretically
2015-09-01T09:26:38 < dongs> can i start i2c read at exacly same time?
2015-09-01T09:26:45 < dongs> from 2 differnt places.
2015-09-01T09:27:06 < zyp> uh
2015-09-01T09:27:11 < zyp> exactly?
2015-09-01T09:27:14 < dongs> yep.
2015-09-01T09:27:20 < dongs> ~exactly~
2015-09-01T09:27:21 < zyp> sounds dumb
2015-09-01T09:27:25 < dongs> it is
2015-09-01T09:27:27 < zyp> is this about adc sampling?
2015-09-01T09:27:30 < dongs> not even
2015-09-01T09:27:34 < dongs> just reading a register
2015-09-01T09:27:39 < dongs> that probably doesnt even update that fast
2015-09-01T09:28:11 < zyp> idk, what precision do you need on «exactly»?
2015-09-01T09:28:39 < dongs> i think doing i2C1->CR |= EN; I2C2->CR |= EN; is not exact enough
2015-09-01T09:28:53 < dongs> (or wahtever fires off read)
2015-09-01T09:29:15 < zyp> that's why I ask
2015-09-01T09:29:45 < zyp> just scheduling them like that probably gets them within a few microseconds of each other
2015-09-01T09:29:56 < zyp> in other words, a few bit times on the i2c buses
2015-09-01T09:30:03 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-01T09:31:43 < jpa-> dongs: you can use extra gpio + fets to clock strecth them both buses
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2015-09-01T09:32:20 < dongs> heh, befoer start?
2015-09-01T09:32:31 < dongs> and then release it right after firing off i2c read?
2015-09-01T09:32:50 < jpa-> maybe best to do it before the part that needs to be accurate
2015-09-01T09:33:54 < jpa-> with the idle state being high, you may have to wait for the first falling clock of the i2c read, and then pull sck down
2015-09-01T09:34:22 < jpa-> or you could just use software i2c and bitbang it on the same port
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2015-09-01T10:26:45 < dongs> So, because a company was not able to successfully predict development times prior to beginning development Your going to call it a scam 3 months after the initial estimation of due date... There are many things on kick starter which are significantly more delayed and it (to the best of my knowledge) is a risk you accept by backing a project on kick starter.
2015-09-01T10:26:59 < dongs> well, i called it a scam almost a year BEFORE release date
2015-09-01T10:27:01 < dongs> what do i win?
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2015-09-01T11:17:31 < Roklobsta> 10,000 dud Zanos.
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2015-09-01T11:56:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MdtGdC1.jpg
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2015-09-01T12:08:56 < Roklobsta> which made where?
2015-09-01T12:09:32 < dongs> left = china trash right = local place
2015-09-01T12:09:49 < Roklobsta> price ratio?
2015-09-01T12:09:57 < dongs> SURPRISINGLY, SAME LOL
2015-09-01T12:10:05 < dongs> 3 days ~same price right one
2015-09-01T12:10:09 < dongs> 10 days ~same price left one
2015-09-01T12:10:35 < Roklobsta> left: 12yos bent over old bathtubs etching, right some friggin' amazing yamaha robot.
2015-09-01T12:10:41 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/GCdT4
2015-09-01T12:13:08 < Roklobsta> have you ever made any vialess boards?
2015-09-01T12:13:38 < zyp> what do you count as vialess?
2015-09-01T12:14:48 < Roklobsta> I am trying to google it.  At old employer 10 years ago we tried PCBs with no via used a technique of pads and hills/bumps pushed against each other at layer boundaries
2015-09-01T12:15:18 < zyp> I once made a two layer mixed smt/pth design with no other vias than the pth pins
2015-09-01T12:15:31 < zyp> in high school
2015-09-01T12:15:38 < Roklobsta> this wa 8 layers
2015-09-01T12:15:48 < Roklobsta> it was weird to see a board with BGA pads and no holes
2015-09-01T12:15:50 < zyp> because it was etched at school and I couldn't be assed to do vias by hand
2015-09-01T12:17:53 < Roklobsta> the via profiles look like this.  you can see the pyramid bumps get pushed against a pad.  https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRxqFQoTCNfy6qLA1ccCFWZgpgodYCsORw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uyemura.com%2Fnew-developments-in-DC-acid-copper-for-vertical-plating-tanks.htm&ei=H23lVZfnMebAmQXg1ri4BA&psig=AFQjCNExVtMeEZ2XguMuUWobAQFqjfj1FA&ust=1441185416
2015-09-01T12:17:55 < Roklobsta> fuck
2015-09-01T12:18:20 < Roklobsta> http://www.uyemura.com/images/library/plating2.jpg
2015-09-01T12:18:29 < zyp> dongs, cute testpcb
2015-09-01T12:18:47 < dongs> Roklobsta: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dont-track-me-google/gdbofhhdmcladcmmfjolgndfkpobecpg
2015-09-01T12:19:02 < Roklobsta> ta.  i have so much notrackpluginshit.
2015-09-01T12:19:29 < dongs> thats the only one i have since I dont really give a fuck
2015-09-01T12:19:34 < dongs> but rightclicking a google link
2015-09-01T12:19:40 < dongs> just to get garbhage in clipboard = FUCK OFF
2015-09-01T12:19:40 < Roklobsta> yep
2015-09-01T12:19:50 < dongs> i dont evne give a fuck about tracking part of it
2015-09-01T12:19:57 < Roklobsta> i used firecommiefox
2015-09-01T12:20:26 < dongs> sux4u
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2015-09-01T12:21:19 < Roklobsta> gonna boot gnu/hurd now.
2015-09-01T12:27:41 < Laurenceb> sup trollz
2015-09-01T12:28:22 < Roklobsta> i just blew dongs' right wing mind with gnu/hurd.
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2015-09-01T12:28:47 < ReadError> dongs http://gawker.com/come-enjoy-auschwitz-s-nice-refreshing-showers-says-a-1727790098
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2015-09-01T12:29:19 < Laurenceb> gawker...
2015-09-01T12:29:34 < Roklobsta> dongs actually why aren't you dry humping sh4 cpu's all day long?
2015-09-01T12:30:54 < Laurenceb> lol woman driver  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Campbell_%28pilot%29#/media/File:Kim_campbell_a10.jpg
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2015-09-01T12:45:44 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/dovMF8X.jpg
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2015-09-01T13:05:28 < zyp> heh
2015-09-01T13:05:42 < zyp> bought some china shit bench power supply, shit doesn't work
2015-09-01T13:05:53 < zyp> turns on but stuck at 0V output
2015-09-01T13:06:16 < ReadError> http://dev.dangerousprototypes.com/store/pcbs
2015-09-01T13:06:19 < ReadError> specs...
2015-09-01T13:06:24 < ReadError> Test specs	Just don't make it too crazy (4/4 spacing, etc). We'll tell you if the factory has problems.
2015-09-01T13:13:12 < dongs> http://www.koreatimesus.com/11-years-in-a-row-south-korea-is-no-1-in-suicide-rate-among-oecd-countries/
2015-09-01T13:13:39 < dongs> garbage prototypes
2015-09-01T13:13:41 < dongs> more like
2015-09-01T13:14:08 < ReadError> I just want to find a shitty china fab that does not huge vias
2015-09-01T13:14:27 < dongs> 0.3/0.5 is fine in any china garbagefab
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2015-09-01T13:15:06 < ReadError> most will tell you like 18/27 or w/e though ;/
2015-09-01T13:15:19 < dongs> er fuck off
2015-09-01T13:15:37 < dongs> just send 0.3/0.5 design to any china trash place
2015-09-01T13:15:38 < dongs> they wil ldo it
2015-09-01T13:15:57 < ReadError> eh for 10$ I might as well try
2015-09-01T13:17:00 < ReadError> whats the standard way of doing a vgroove gerber though?
2015-09-01T13:17:02 < dongs> its the same garbage factory that makes shit on the left in my pic
2015-09-01T13:17:17 < dongs> thre isnt, you put marks on documentation layer and write about it
2015-09-01T13:17:26 < ReadError> like how would the fab know its vgroove or routing outline
2015-09-01T13:17:27 < ReadError> ah
2015-09-01T13:17:42 < ReadError> left in which pic?
2015-09-01T13:17:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MdtGdC1.jpg < except i think places liek seed manage to get even worse silk
2015-09-01T13:17:50 < dongs> my pcb test pic
2015-09-01T13:18:37 < ReadError> right side looks legit, bestkorea fab?
2015-09-01T13:18:58 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-01T13:19:38 < dongs> chink shit is some weird stuff thats like rough to the touch
2015-09-01T13:19:49 < dongs> its got some height above board
2015-09-01T13:20:05 < ReadError> my last osh order :( http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-Zqdg5NS/0/X3/CA_08311513290949-X3.jpg
2015-09-01T13:20:14 < ReadError> some fab they are using has really bad silk
2015-09-01T13:20:35 < dongs> oh shit, looks like they're taking that shit straight to china now
2015-09-01T13:20:41 < dongs> thats same silk as chinafab
2015-09-01T13:20:43 < dongs> right board
2015-09-01T13:20:47 < ReadError> yes
2015-09-01T13:20:54 < ReadError> well apparently its just 1 fabhouse
2015-09-01T13:21:01 < ReadError> the others still have the nicer silk
2015-09-01T13:21:01 < dongs> aidsssss
2015-09-01T13:21:12 < dongs> my place can do purple officially now
2015-09-01T13:21:15 < dongs> without extdra gay prices
2015-09-01T13:21:21 < dongs> i ordered aroudn 1k boards in purple
2015-09-01T13:21:28 < dongs> will see next week
2015-09-01T13:21:57 < zyp> gonna take up the fight with oshpark?
2015-09-01T13:22:04 < dongs> psh no
2015-09-01T13:23:12 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/6YUE6Vy.png?2
2015-09-01T13:23:19 < ReadError> heh someone posted this in the chan
2015-09-01T13:23:25 < ReadError> looks like things are going downhill
2015-09-01T13:23:31 < dongs> what did he want
2015-09-01T13:23:33 < dongs> a square slot?
2015-09-01T13:23:45 < dongs> anyway, any fab taht cant do oval holes in 2015 is just shitheap
2015-09-01T13:23:52 < dongs> cant even be tanek seriosuly
2015-09-01T13:23:53 < dongs> taken
2015-09-01T13:24:08 < dongs> avr... ble..
2015-09-01T13:24:11 < dongs> eww @ taht board
2015-09-01T13:24:18 < dongs> what hte fuck BLE shit exists in QFP32?
2015-09-01T13:24:39 < ReadError> his silk came out bad too
2015-09-01T13:24:43 < Laurenceb> lol square cutout
2015-09-01T13:24:52 < Laurenceb> does he even realise how a router works
2015-09-01T13:24:57 < zyp> dongs, that's obviously qfn
2015-09-01T13:25:13 < dongs> how doy ou tell
2015-09-01T13:25:18 < dongs> avr is qfn too>????????????
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2015-09-01T13:25:29 < zyp> qfp pins have wider spacing between corner pins
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2015-09-01T13:25:36 < zyp> yeah
2015-09-01T13:25:38 < ReadError> Laurenceb well they could have used a smaller bit
2015-09-01T13:25:43 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-C42wQjc/0/X3/CA_12121406015979-X3.jpg
2015-09-01T13:25:50 < ReadError> those are 'somewhat' square
2015-09-01T13:25:58 < ReadError> much smaller tool radius obviously
2015-09-01T13:26:07 < dongs> wow
2015-09-01T13:26:09 < dongs> that drill registration
2015-09-01T13:26:11 < zyp> last time I touched avr, I also did qfn
2015-09-01T13:26:14 < dongs> why is copper so offet
2015-09-01T13:26:21 < dongs> or was your slot fucked up
2015-09-01T13:26:49 < ReadError> hmm ya it does seem kinda shifted
2015-09-01T13:26:58 < ReadError> you can tell from the pour on the right side
2015-09-01T13:27:05 < ReadError> closer to the outline
2015-09-01T13:27:12 < dongs> yaweh
2015-09-01T13:27:23 < dongs> is their outline cutout completley fucked
2015-09-01T13:27:24 < dongs> lole
2015-09-01T13:27:57 < ReadError> maybe
2015-09-01T13:28:30 < Laurenceb> muh amazing pcbs http://i.imgur.com/Huz69hq.png
2015-09-01T13:28:39 < Laurenceb> so complex
2015-09-01T13:28:46 < dongs> awesome LC filter bro
2015-09-01T13:29:00 < dongs> is that the spinning switch shit
2015-09-01T13:29:05 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-09-01T13:29:23 < dongs> stop using eagle, youre dragging the channel average IQ down
2015-09-01T13:29:27 < dongs> at least switch to dicktrace
2015-09-01T13:29:36 < Laurenceb> lul why do you think its eagle?
2015-09-01T13:29:40 < ReadError> I think dicktrace has died ;(
2015-09-01T13:29:48 < ReadError> they havent updated anything in forever
2015-09-01T13:30:09 < dongs> dickerrr, there's beta 2.9
2015-09-01T13:30:23 < dongs> http://www.diptrace.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10577
2015-09-01T13:30:31 < ReadError> Version 2.9 Beta (August 12, 2015)
2015-09-01T13:30:33 < ReadError> oh wait ya
2015-09-01T13:30:37 < dongs> differentail pairs
2015-09-01T13:30:39 < dongs> gerber x2
2015-09-01T13:30:52 < dongs> speed improvements
2015-09-01T13:30:53 < Laurenceb> Same old shit UI, guys, its been 3 years
2015-09-01T13:31:05 < Laurenceb> Goddamn it, invest a week and cure that tabbed cancerous clickfest POS UI.
2015-09-01T13:31:59 < dongs> in what, dicktrace?
2015-09-01T13:32:00 < ReadError> i dont mind the ui
2015-09-01T13:32:19 < ReadError> and dont really need to click much
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2015-09-01T13:36:23 < dongs> I see in the 2.9 beta that the Wine compatibility issues do not appear to have been addressed. The "Title and Sheet Setup" dialog can still cause the program to hang and other dialog controls (such as the library filter dialog dropdowns) don't properly process mouse input all of the time.
2015-09-01T13:36:28 < dongs> Is there any intent to address these issues in this next major release?
2015-09-01T13:36:31 < dongs> err
2015-09-01T13:36:33 < dongs> fucking lunix faggots
2015-09-01T13:36:36 < dongs> who cares if you cant run your favorite WINDOWS app in LUNIX
2015-09-01T13:36:40 < dongs> go install windows and shut hte fuck up
2015-09-01T13:37:08 < dongs> s a request I would like for NOVRAM to start looking long termatn this matter. That is writing code so that Dip Trace runs native on a LINUX OS. I say this because as Windows 10 has recently been released the invasive nature of this OS has become readily apparent. I was predisposed to dropping Windows when I loaded Windows 7 five years ago. Seeing this unwelcome development reaffirmed my decision. Come 2020 when Microsoft's support for Windows 7 ends I'm done with Wi
2015-09-01T13:37:15 < dongs> tiem to find my dicktrace forum login
2015-09-01T13:37:18 < dongs> haha
2015-09-01T13:37:21 < dongs> and tell this guy whos the boss
2015-09-01T13:38:02 < Laurenceb> dongs is ballmer?
2015-09-01T13:41:50 < ReadError> I wish altium had the same hotkey options as diptrace for dropping vias and changing layers
2015-09-01T13:41:56 < ReadError> using 1,2,3,4 to change views is dumb
2015-09-01T13:42:18 < dongs> it d oes
2015-09-01T13:42:57 < ReadError> hm?
2015-09-01T13:43:03 < ReadError> I thought you had to press a bunch of keys
2015-09-01T13:43:09 < ReadError> then L to cycle between layers
2015-09-01T13:43:12 < dongs> numkey +/-
2015-09-01T13:43:18 < dongs> to go up/down layer
2015-09-01T13:43:30 < ReadError> oh I dont have a numpad
2015-09-01T13:43:32 < dongs> or you can just route, drop via w/2, then l to switch to next layer
2015-09-01T13:43:38 < dongs> bind mouse buttons to it
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2015-09-01T13:43:47 < dongs> i bound the useless back/foward browser buttons on mouse to t hat shit
2015-09-01T13:43:52 < dongs> -+
2015-09-01T13:43:54 < dongs> +-
2015-09-01T13:44:22 < ReadError> well I mean like, if im routing on layer1 and want to switch to 4, it would make sense to just hit 4 and have it drop the via and change layers
2015-09-01T13:44:26 < ReadError> that behavior I mean
2015-09-01T13:44:44 < dongs> hm wehre the fuck is my dicktrace forum login
2015-09-01T13:47:39 < dongs> ah
2015-09-01T13:47:40 < dongs> it was dongs
2015-09-01T13:47:41 < dongs> LOL
2015-09-01T13:47:52 < dongs> http://www.diptrace.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=442#p442
2015-09-01T13:48:11 < dongs> You have been successfully logged in.
2015-09-01T13:48:13 < dongs> yissss
2015-09-01T13:48:24 < karlp> heh, that dirty pcbs thing has "custom" for silk and soldermask, with a full rgb colour picker
2015-09-01T13:48:31 < karlp> I wonder how close they can get?
2015-09-01T13:49:06 < ReadError> for 10x the price it better be damn close
2015-09-01T13:49:22 < Steffanx> or full rgb but web colours only?
2015-09-01T13:50:20 < Laurenceb> dirty pcbs
2015-09-01T13:52:43 < Laurenceb> seeed is now down to $9
2015-09-01T13:52:43 < Laurenceb> who cares
2015-09-01T13:52:43 < Laurenceb> Dirt Cheap Dirty Boards
2015-09-01T13:52:43 < Laurenceb> No bull, just crappy PCBs
2015-09-01T13:52:43 < Laurenceb> I lolld
2015-09-01T13:52:43 < Laurenceb> pita is not actually cheap
2015-09-01T13:52:43 < Laurenceb> *pity
2015-09-01T13:52:47 < dongs> http://www.diptrace.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10577&p=18550#p18550
2015-09-01T13:53:29 < Steffanx> talking about "waste of time"  dongs -_-
2015-09-01T13:53:35 < Laurenceb> irony
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2015-09-01T13:57:35 < Laurenceb> What to do if you have been triggered:
2015-09-01T13:57:46 < Laurenceb> 1) remember you coping phrase
2015-09-01T13:58:09 < Laurenceb> 2) forgive yourself
2015-09-01T13:58:12 < Laurenceb> yaman
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2015-09-01T14:02:18 < mtbg> https://i.imgur.com/BMxkibL.jpg
2015-09-01T14:02:42 < dongs> sauce
2015-09-01T14:03:23 < Laurenceb> almost accurate
2015-09-01T14:03:41 < Laurenceb> just needs less mouthpieces
2015-09-01T14:04:43 < Laurenceb> surely fake
2015-09-01T14:04:56 < dongs> yeah reverse google search links to some reddit trash
2015-09-01T14:04:58 < dongs> totally legit
2015-09-01T14:05:17 < Laurenceb> reddit is shit now
2015-09-01T14:05:21 < Laurenceb> zoat ftw
2015-09-01T14:05:25 < dongs> now? hasnt it always been
2015-09-01T14:05:28 < dongs> shitty digg clone
2015-09-01T14:05:50 < Laurenceb> i mean voat
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2015-09-01T14:05:59 < Laurenceb> qMg8GMjIyTi8STss2Xl5eblMicuNChoaGjnMulvtOpqamrpc+rq6utra2tw9WxsbGzrtK1tbW2tra2ydi5ubm7ttW9vb2/ztvAwMDBwcHDv9nFxcXH1N7KysrLyNzLy8vOzs7Q2eHS0ODS0tLU1NTV1dXW1tbX19fY2NjZ3+Ta2ePa2trb29vc3Nze3t7f39/g4ODh5Ofi4efi4uLj4+Pl5eXm5ubn5+fp6enq6uoXaKR+AAAAR3RSTlMAEBAQECAgICAwMDAwQEBAQEBQUFBQYGBgYHBwcICAgICAgICPj4+Pj4+fn5+fn6+vr7+/v7/Pz8/Pz8/f39/f3+/v7+/v764L/aIAAAtOSURBVHja7N3tXxPZFQfwYxpTNg1NI4U0jaYPMW0xLQXSmE8/kJZN20Rnkd0qruuC2r2KLotlYRUW14ngoiyoBs5/v
2015-09-01T14:06:01 < Laurenceb> HnkTMKdYQIzmaf7faUvkhe/HM59mJk7IAiCIAiCIAiCIAiCmc59AF537iKY4APpMnjcmQ+lITDeuCT9GrztgiR9eAaMNiTVvtbrJStJl0z5VukCeNklqaYfjHVRkrxetGelunHjv9XrRXtRahgyevjyetFW+2HDpJEZ9EuS54v2gikZXJZaJj1fsob+4Q5JZMjzJUszL0N+Ls8XbTUDcta4n8vzRTskKY0bV7KeL9pJqU2/gUsP0u/5kpWkywYuEsi4KFnqiadcJHi+aPulTpMGfim5BB5D1UUuGPil5KznS5aWC6dp3aJoL0kcFw1s3eSMx7YPuc4at0ggF0TJ0l+uAYsE4qnNxDOSiv7TlawoWgpBc2LfF4nEknUj2arkoUiddoMhkx7bPuQ7BzWhwWqWRdSjGXkk9FdJ1ZAo2Wp9/SI2ksUT2Pti7qYo
2015-09-01T14:06:05 < dongs> bro
2015-09-01T14:06:06 < Laurenceb> 2kmJa/rmF0tP9/AUnj2c+9i7Rcuf0H88t/QMDfFy6dY0p317smSnbz18iYZ6eve6F/dlhtqL9e5TNBSVrrJovVay16lYTbCn6Av9XtqLubX0Ek339dw0Fa0ntg9vLu2hyahyvVG0/dQEembv4XUPFO349N1n2HvP5n4O7vazJbTIGLjbMFqmD1ytiJYZATcbROsU/eBiI2ihmGgGJpkQzUCMYc6YGZDz4FpTaKksuJUfLeYHl4qgxQbBpX6PFvsjuFPwX2ixJ1FwI19+GS22UQiCC2XYGlpsm7kx2jSzPtkKYwUfuEyUMbaBVltgLOeyaIOsahut9pi5LdpgwS7JUrRuCdYuyVK0LgnWNsm6KtpogTW8QG3llZUyntTug/n5b/EYi6whFwAXiLOWNdSyMlOqmlk5Wa63SzVXj/k0a3LFvDbN9CU7W2p6cJJ
2015-09-01T14:06:07 < dongs> that link
2015-09-01T14:06:10 < dongs> fails it
2015-09-01T14:06:11 < Laurenceb> gPyo13daXLCtEwdl8OUaWtaPRG632p2dR3Q5TSICThQtM4TGqmikpfIVd+m+JaFXtNlPK+MCxUqzNAqq5V1K6sotdeVBqo95rN1ibQhicKZhjHVDNlVKbeezK1VKbGVTzhHVIOXuyRbaR76tSu6vYjXKpQ1l9OkucO/1Ks6OeI9/tUgfsxkqJaPfpBUYcO/1KMI4n2uMX+Ra7MF8ims2kwjgKTqtaxvNYb7IrpiS7zXgSDk6WWJvsmouT3UGu2VN1g3t6++yyK5LNMZ7nKtk
2015-09-01T14:06:12 < dongs> hard
2015-09-01T14:06:15 < Laurenceb> shit
2015-09-01T14:06:16 < dongs> runed
2015-09-01T14:09:56 < mtbg> :>
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2015-09-01T14:18:04 < Lux> any ideas if an exti interrupt will still fire if the pin is set to AF ?
2015-09-01T14:19:07 < zyp> probably
2015-09-01T14:20:13 < zyp> I'd expect it to fire as long as the digital input block is enabled, i.e. in all except analog mode
2015-09-01T14:20:33 < Lux> that's what i tought, thanks
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2015-09-01T14:32:52 < dongs> For instance, all outdoor mode and indoor modes might be spot on but swarming isn't included yet. If you want swarming and choose to wait until that is completed, tested and released, the delay could be months.
2015-09-01T14:33:29 < Steffanx> *years
2015-09-01T14:33:33 < Steffanx> forevah
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2015-09-01T14:54:15 < Lux> zyp: it worked
2015-09-01T14:54:24 < dongs> whatcha hackig on
2015-09-01T14:54:28 < zyp> thanks for letting me know
2015-09-01T14:54:28 < dongs> your super pro fc?
2015-09-01T14:54:41 < zyp> I like being right
2015-09-01T14:54:47 < Lux> making an esc
2015-09-01T14:54:51 < dongs> ah
2015-09-01T14:54:52 < dongs> right
2015-09-01T14:54:57 < dongs> zyp, what would be a usecase for this
2015-09-01T14:55:01 < Lux> and doing an spi slave with an f0
2015-09-01T14:55:13 < dongs> esc on F0 sounds kinda meh does it even have comparators
2015-09-01T14:55:17 < zyp> dongs, for what?
2015-09-01T14:55:22 < dongs> zyp, exti while in  AF
2015-09-01T14:55:30 < Lux> dongs: you can just use the adc
2015-09-01T14:55:38 < Lux> and do that instaspin stuff
2015-09-01T14:55:44 < dongs> lux, well yeah, ...
2015-09-01T14:55:45 < dongs> mkay
2015-09-01T14:55:51 < Lux> in theory it's better than zero crossing
2015-09-01T14:56:00 < dongs> ah, diferent algo? mkay
2015-09-01T14:56:08 < Lux> i also get pretty much the same efficiency as with stock escs
2015-09-01T14:56:24 < zyp> dongs, idk, curious myself actually
2015-09-01T14:57:05 < Lux> i'm using the interrupt on the cs/nss pin
2015-09-01T14:57:36 < Lux> and i think it also disables the spi when high, so i wanted it still as AF
2015-09-01T14:57:48 < zyp> ah, yeah, that makes sense
2015-09-01T14:58:00 < zyp> then you can reset your state machine when deasserted
2015-09-01T14:58:03 < dongs> I am excited for people to just see the physical Zano, packaging, carry cases, batteries, Zano fuels etc. It all looks so cool and is such lovely quality. We are very proud of it. Your quite right, if people don't want to use it, just leave it boxed until the software matures to a point they feel comfortable using it.
2015-09-01T14:58:16 < Lux> yeah, that was the plan
2015-09-01T14:58:25 < Laurenceb> what if zano triggers someone?
2015-09-01T14:58:34 < zyp> I remember I did SPI slave once, and I was annoyed that there were no built in support for interrupting on CS change
2015-09-01T14:58:37 < Laurenceb> do we have an agreed coping phrase?
2015-09-01T14:58:53 < zyp> I didn't think of EXTI, so I used a simple timeout for resetting
2015-09-01T14:59:02 < Lux> yeah, the hardware support for spi slave is kinda meh
2015-09-01T14:59:54 < Lux> it should support to align the data packets for the dma depending on the cs signal, without having to handle it in the interrupts
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2015-09-01T15:01:07 < englishman> r2com hard at work http://i.imgur.com/ChKc5CZ.jpg
2015-09-01T15:01:51 < mtbg> at least there is protective earth
2015-09-01T15:01:52 < Laurenceb> well it said earth
2015-09-01T15:02:59 < dongs> You are quite right, I won't release the software even if it means delays until I am happy that each version is correct. I have a launch issue (I am not happy with launch at the moment) because of the new propellers and the extra lift. Don't get me wrong, it launches very nicely and smoothly but the altitude target is not being controlled properly. So I say launch to 1200mm it goes to 1500mm. In real terms most probably wouldn't notice but it drives me nuts until it 
2015-09-01T15:03:17 < Steffanx> in russialand they don't do different colours for neutral, phase, switch wire ?
2015-09-01T15:03:34 < Steffanx> all i see is red ( and green/white to the device )
2015-09-01T15:04:36 < Laurenceb> there wires are red, blue and white
2015-09-01T15:04:43 < Laurenceb> *tehir
2015-09-01T15:04:46 < dongs> the battery is held in place by a special very fine hook and loop (like velcro) system. It is light and robust and doesn't require any fiddling to fit a battery. It is also easy to change in the event of wear. All batteries come with three replacement pads so easy to change. After much thought and design, it was the best way we could find of supporting the various height batteries and making it easy to fit and replace the batteries as well.
2015-09-01T15:13:11 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruuxn2u3yao
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2015-09-01T15:48:12 < karlp> Laurenceb: is that the same dude we saw before? with the old sem he was digitizing?
2015-09-01T15:49:54 < Laurenceb> I think so
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2015-09-01T16:12:16 < dongs> We do have flight time issues we are working on, this is largely to be dealt with by lighter plastics, software tweaks (changing switching times for motors can make a big difference to battery chemistry), low power flight modes (turning stuff off that is not required) etc. We will hit the 10 minute mark and even exceed it, it just takes commitment and determination but we will get there. Zano is heavier than the original so flight time compared to the original will a
2015-09-01T16:12:23 < dongs> wat
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2015-09-01T16:36:03 < dongs> PeterM: ever seen a vreg with epad as VIN
2015-09-01T16:36:05 < dongs> as opposed to gnd
2015-09-01T16:36:06 < dongs> wtf
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2015-09-01T16:37:54 < dongs> bedtime
2015-09-01T16:37:59 < zyp> dongs, uh, like LM1117?
2015-09-01T16:38:05 < zyp> but that's VOUT
2015-09-01T16:38:23 < zyp> no, wait, LM1117 is VIN on the tab
2015-09-01T16:38:35 < zyp> no, VOUT, I'm stoned
2015-09-01T16:44:25 < karlp> I saw some reg recently that had a top and bottom pad, one was ground, one was... yeahy, vout iirc.
2015-09-01T16:47:31 < Laurenceb> (changing switching times for motors can make a big difference to battery chemistry
2015-09-01T16:47:33 < Laurenceb> wut
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2015-09-01T18:22:44 < Laurenceb> found the source of my 3µA into WKUP
2015-09-01T18:22:57 < Laurenceb> its what happens if you ever take VDDA too low
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2015-09-01T21:25:21 < Tectu> dongs, there?
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2015-09-01T21:38:21 < Steffanx> try dreamland
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2015-09-01T21:47:17 < Tectu> do I want IPS or FHD
2015-09-01T21:48:00 < Tectu> they say I can have IPS or FHD panel. isn´t FHD just short for FullHD which refers to the resolution?
2015-09-01T21:59:46 < ReadError> dreamland is the name of many stripclubs im sure
2015-09-01T22:00:50 < Tectu> how comes that it is always about strippers with you, ReadError?
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2015-09-01T22:01:12 < ReadError> makin it rain is in my DNA I guess
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2015-09-01T22:54:01 < Steffanx> Man, i love ebay: "Telephone Phone Butt Test Tester"
2015-09-01T22:54:06 < Steffanx> or "Dental test board for root canal love"
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2015-09-01T22:57:32 < Tectu> google knows what you need, right?
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2015-09-01T23:19:21 < kakimir> smas are pain in the ass to solder
2015-09-01T23:20:19 < Steffanx> Didn't people here tell you not to go SMA?
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2015-09-01T23:20:59 < gxti> what's wrong with SMA
2015-09-01T23:21:20 < gxti> not hard at all to solder
2015-09-01T23:21:28 < kakimir> my solderin iron
2015-09-01T23:21:30 < Roklobsta> maor heat
2015-09-01T23:21:31 < qyx_> wut, it was quite easy
2015-09-01T23:21:40 < gxti> i don't even have a beefy soldering iron, just a basic hakko 936
2015-09-01T23:21:52 < qyx_> china-made 60W here
2015-09-01T23:22:02 < gxti> although i've been thinking about upgrading. not that i really need to.
2015-09-01T23:22:45 < gxti> get something that Real Pro EEs use
2015-09-01T23:23:11 < Steffanx> 50 years old  weller?
2015-09-01T23:23:29 < gxti> naw, JBC or something. not sure.
2015-09-01T23:23:45 < gxti> main annoyance is soldering big wires
2015-09-01T23:23:46 < Steffanx> But the real EE pros here chinese ofcourse
2015-09-01T23:23:51 < Steffanx> *hire
2015-09-01T23:23:52 < mtbg> what is root canal love?
2015-09-01T23:24:06 < mtbg> these fetishes are getting weird
2015-09-01T23:24:54 < Steffanx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-High-quality-plastic-Dental-test-board-for-root-canal-love-/271552762847 that, but im still not sure what it is mtbg
2015-09-01T23:26:58 < Roklobsta> comes with a free cadmium poisonsing feature.
2015-09-01T23:31:51 < Steffanx> but all the shit that you see here gives you eye cancer, so does it really matter Roklobsta?
2015-09-01T23:32:27 < Roklobsta> Good point.  I'll order some 'root canal love' right now.
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2015-09-01T23:46:07 < kakimir> wanna be self made dentist?
2015-09-01T23:46:48 < kakimir> for yourself of course
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2015-09-01T23:54:57 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKY2wxWGk3VmhER1E/view big parts first then little ones
2015-09-01T23:56:32 < upgrdman> any of you pros played with Qt? like it?
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2015-09-02T00:00:11 < Steffanx> Tectu is totally into Qt
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2015-09-02T00:01:52 < Steffanx> I only used it a little, was also not really gui stuff
2015-09-02T00:02:14 < kakimir> you need qt instead of tcl/tk?
2015-09-02T00:03:02 < kakimir> does hello world differ much at all btw?
2015-09-02T00:10:43 < Tectu> Qt? here.
2015-09-02T00:10:47 < Tectu> I love fucking Qt
2015-09-02T00:10:51 < Tectu> Qt is master race
2015-09-02T00:10:57 < Tectu> Qt is hitler of frameworks
2015-09-02T00:11:01 < upgrdman> trolling or genuinely like qt?
2015-09-02T00:11:07 < Tectu> genuinely
2015-09-02T00:11:11 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-02T00:11:18 < Tectu> I do/did many Qt project
2015-09-02T00:11:21 < Tectu> quite big ones too
2015-09-02T00:11:27 < bvernoux> it will be nice to generate little exe with Qt ;)
2015-09-02T00:11:28 < Tectu> uGFX-Studio is 100% Qt
2015-09-02T00:11:34 < Tectu> and the current one that will be way bigger is 100% Qt too
2015-09-02T00:11:46 < upgrdman> screenshots of said studio?
2015-09-02T00:11:50 < bvernoux> I doubt even using static link avoid needs of 20MB Exe for a simple Hello world
2015-09-02T00:12:26 < upgrdman> bvernoux, be a man and distribute your programs in the form of a fully contained live cd ;)
2015-09-02T00:12:43 < upgrdman> 700MB "exe" ftw
2015-09-02T00:13:00 < bvernoux> but anyway the concept of Qt is very nice
2015-09-02T00:13:13 < bvernoux> I'm starting to do some stuff with it ;)
2015-09-02T00:13:23 < kakimir> how much 1oz is in millimeters of copper?
2015-09-02T00:13:26 < Tectu> upgrdman, http://studio.ugfx.org
2015-09-02T00:13:30 < kakimir> what is oz?
2015-09-02T00:13:46 < Tectu> upgrdman, check videos: https://www.youtube.com/user/MrTectu/videos
2015-09-02T00:14:13 < upgrdman> thx
2015-09-02T00:14:19 < upgrdman> screenshoot looks pretty sweet
2015-09-02T00:14:19 < Steffanx> Google knows kakimir
2015-09-02T00:14:31 < kakimir> ounce?
2015-09-02T00:14:48 < upgrdman> google "thickness of 1oz copper"
2015-09-02T00:15:02 < kakimir> ounces per square foot
2015-09-02T00:17:25 < Tectu> upgrdman, ugfx studio is just a spare time project. about 25k lines of code now
2015-09-02T00:17:39 < upgrdman> cool
2015-09-02T00:17:42 < upgrdman> neat tetris
2015-09-02T00:17:49 < upgrdman> i also did that on my f0 with lcd
2015-09-02T00:18:01 < Tectu> upgrdman, cool :)
2015-09-02T00:18:09 < Tectu> upgrdman, actually that tetris was written by Fleck
2015-09-02T00:18:22 < Tectu> upgrdman, it is part of the uGFX repository now as an official demo
2015-09-02T00:18:49 < Fleck> ?
2015-09-02T00:19:32 < upgrdman> nice
2015-09-02T00:19:44 < upgrdman> heres mine, a bit simpler: https://youtu.be/axYgyjWLWhE?t=512
2015-09-02T00:20:34 < Tectu> upgrdman, neat :)
2015-09-02T00:21:10 < Tectu> so I watched you playing tetris, now I am watching you putting a glas of water into the microwave
2015-09-02T00:21:26 < upgrdman> ya it has a spectrum analyzer build in
2015-09-02T00:21:41 < upgrdman> i showed the 2.4g leakage of microwave oven for fun
2015-09-02T00:21:49 < kakimir> I bet there is no way to fix impendance mismatch when coax impendance is 50ohms and trace is 110ohms?
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2015-09-02T00:22:34 < Tectu> upgrdman, this is uGFX on an F103:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY6xUUjIpYA
2015-09-02T00:23:06 < Tectu> upgrdman, and this is uGFX on an F407. Note that it samples in real time etc. so uGFX does not get the full CPU time:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73ygBq9Wq_M
2015-09-02T00:24:36 < Tectu> uh, this is uGFX on a fucking B/W nokia display on an STM32VL:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfyb9C57rx8
2015-09-02T00:25:19 < kakimir> I see why they would put extra cost for under 1.2mm board.. 50ohm impendance line width reduces dramatically
2015-09-02T00:25:20 < Tectu> upgrdman, I actually was searching for this one: That too is uGFX on STM32F407 with real ADC samples being processed:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmpKC9ODH8c
2015-09-02T00:25:32 < Tectu> upgrdman, that guy build a really nice GUI :)
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2015-09-02T00:30:32 < bvernoux> Tectu, If you have a fun demo working on STM32F7 Disco I can present it to workshop at Grenoble on 22Sept
2015-09-02T00:30:57 < bvernoux> it's a workshop for STM32F7 ...
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2015-09-02T00:31:13 < Tectu> bvernoux, are you the workshop person?
2015-09-02T00:31:16 < Taxman> a ST workshop?
2015-09-02T00:31:33 < bvernoux> yep
2015-09-02T00:31:41 < Tectu> bvernoux, uGFX is working on the STM32F7 discovery board including hardware acceleration
2015-09-02T00:31:48 < bvernoux> Tectu, no but I know some guys which could be interested
2015-09-02T00:32:01 < Tectu> bvernoux, can we get back to this next week?
2015-09-02T00:32:13 < Tectu> bvernoux, thanks for the offering. I am definitely interested.
2015-09-02T00:32:17 < bvernoux> yes
2015-09-02T00:32:29 < Tectu> thank you, very appreciated
2015-09-02T00:32:36 < bvernoux> I have already a STM32F7 Disco to test even if the LCD is a bit broken on border
2015-09-02T00:32:54 < Taxman> i am attending an st F7 workshop mit september in munich
2015-09-02T00:33:01 < Taxman> probably this is the same
2015-09-02T00:33:09 < bvernoux> mine is 22Sept in Grenoble
2015-09-02T00:33:17 < bvernoux> near the factory which build the MCU ;)
2015-09-02T00:33:42 < kakimir> what is in munich?
2015-09-02T00:33:49 < Tectu> Taxman, I plan to be there as well
2015-09-02T00:33:56 < Taxman> and i have written the F7/F4 DMA2D acceleration code for ugfx :)
2015-09-02T00:34:25 < Taxman> Tectu: Good idea
2015-09-02T00:34:29 < bvernoux> STm32F7 Disco screen is very nice too
2015-09-02T00:34:32 < bvernoux> or a cheap board
2015-09-02T00:34:56 < Tectu> the board is cool for demos, sadly totally sucks as a dev board
2015-09-02T00:35:05 < Tectu> but the screen and touch is definitely very good for that price point
2015-09-02T00:35:12 < Tectu> haven´t added the audio driver to uGFX yet :/
2015-09-02T00:35:20 < bvernoux> yes for dev board it miss lot of things
2015-09-02T00:35:33 < bvernoux> except to do some Gfx stuff
2015-09-02T00:36:00 < bvernoux> problem is the available GPIO are just for Arduino so very limited
2015-09-02T00:36:00 < Taxman> i assume it was a master thesis work
2015-09-02T00:36:01 < PeterM> Woo! experiencing the true speed of australias super fast national broadband network, a earthshatteringly fast 25mbit down/5mbit up!
2015-09-02T00:36:12 < Fleck> lol
2015-09-02T00:36:18 < Tectu> uGFX now does keyboard stuff to (both external physical ones and onscreen virtual ones). I should do a demo with that, bvernoux
2015-09-02T00:36:38 < bvernoux> Tectu, ha yes great
2015-09-02T00:36:39 < Tectu> PeterM, I got 10M/1M
2015-09-02T00:36:47 < Tectu> PeterM, and Fleck got some 200M/100M or something
2015-09-02T00:36:55 < Fleck> 200/200
2015-09-02T00:37:00 < Tectu> -___-
2015-09-02T00:37:09 < Tectu> I pay 80 EUR per month for my 10/1
2015-09-02T00:37:15 < Taxman> I have 50/10 here in south germany, bigger city
2015-09-02T00:37:20 < Tectu> fucking retarded switzerland
2015-09-02T00:37:26 < Fleck> 30€ here
2015-09-02T00:37:29 < bvernoux> Tectu, they are very interested by micropython too
2015-09-02T00:37:32 < Taxman> i pay 30 EUR per month for 50/10
2015-09-02T00:37:49 < bvernoux> Tectu, it will be nice to have uGFX shell with micropython running in it ;)
2015-09-02T00:38:05 < PeterM> Tectu, i pay $80 AU (50~EUR) for 25/5
2015-09-02T00:38:48 < Tectu> bvernoux, we already have a console widget :)   (although a crude one, to be honest)
2015-09-02T00:39:05 < Fleck> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4629031819 << fresh
2015-09-02T00:39:10 < Tectu> bvernoux, we definitely should get to that.
2015-09-02T00:39:21 < bvernoux> Tectu, a crude one is good if there is just enough to do a basic terminal stuff (with scroll bar if possible)
2015-09-02T00:39:35 < bvernoux> but anyway the most interesting is a demo with some nice graphic ...
2015-09-02T00:39:42 < Tectu> bvernoux, sadly I am very busy this week. Are you available next week?
2015-09-02T00:40:14 < bvernoux> as they will show => 4:00 PM – 5:00 PM
2015-09-02T00:40:14 < bvernoux> 	
2015-09-02T00:40:14 < bvernoux> Embedded Graphics demonstration
2015-09-02T00:40:33 < bvernoux> and it could be great to see there is alternative to their Graphics stuff by using uGFX
2015-09-02T00:40:51 < Tectu> indeed. We have many customers that switch from (ST)emWin to uGFX
2015-09-02T00:41:02 < Tectu> (many compared to how little uGFX is, no PR and crap)
2015-09-02T00:41:16 < Tectu> see guys, this is what you pay 80 EUR / month for:  http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4629035031
2015-09-02T00:41:33 < Taxman> bvernoux: STemWin demonstration?
2015-09-02T00:41:42 < bvernoux> yes STemWin IIRC
2015-09-02T00:41:59 < bvernoux> last year it was something like that on STM32F4 Disco
2015-09-02T00:42:18 < bvernoux> and also Java stuff with GFX (slow ....)
2015-09-02T00:42:31 < bvernoux> but IIRC they have abandonned embedded Java ;)
2015-09-02T00:43:05 < Tectu> Taxman, how about you come to Zurich insteaD?
2015-09-02T00:43:22 < Steffanx> Come to Breda (dutchland)
2015-09-02T00:44:27 < Taxman> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4629040966
2015-09-02T00:44:51 < Taxman> I want to attend this ST workshop, for contacts
2015-09-02T00:45:28 < Taxman> what is in zürich?
2015-09-02T00:45:35 < Tectu> Taxman, st workshop
2015-09-02T00:45:41 < Taxman> you go there?
2015-09-02T00:45:49 < Tectu> yes
2015-09-02T00:46:34 < Tectu> time for sleep, cu guys
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2015-09-02T00:50:38 < bvernoux> Taxman, for contact I think ST Grenoble is better
2015-09-02T00:51:19 < bvernoux> Taxman, there is some good manager in direct link (as Grenoble is the HeadQuarter with Paris)
2015-09-02T00:51:24 < karlp> bleh, my jlink clone doesn't enumerate anymore.
2015-09-02T00:51:45 < karlp> tried different cables, different ports. worked when I pit it on the shelf last :(
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2015-09-02T00:53:09 < Taxman> bvernoux: But munich is much closer to me ;)
2015-09-02T00:53:47 < bvernoux> Taxman, yep ;)
2015-09-02T00:56:34 < Taxman> will sleep now too. cu tomorrow.
2015-09-02T00:59:28 < kakimir> I don't have 100n 0603 and haven't realized until now
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2015-09-02T01:54:59 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-09-02T01:55:23 < dongs> zyp: epad as in so-8 with a gnd pad
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2015-09-02T02:24:53 < dongs> It was good in the wind. The only issue is altitude control as in Zano at the moment is allowing to great an error on altitude. All tuneable but it has occurred due to a series of small changes I have made, I just need to retune that part of the system. Only take an hour or so once I am done with GPS aspects.
2015-09-02T02:25:57 < kakimir> they should just send you one
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2015-09-02T02:50:16 < karlp> I copied it out by hand from the stlink upgrade tool, unhexlify, and it "doesn't match" Device serial number 'W?kIgHV0H?' doesn't match requested serial 'W�kIgHV0H�'
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2015-09-02T03:38:19 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTKht7E1Brc lol
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2015-09-02T03:51:56 < dongs> not much
2015-09-02T03:52:01 < dongs> ready to dicknplace soon
2015-09-02T03:54:36 < dongs> you mean you fucked up
2015-09-02T04:01:28 < kakimir> is there such profession called "personal whipper" ?
2015-09-02T04:04:30 < dongs> holy fuck
2015-09-02T04:04:37 < dongs> excel undo is broken
2015-09-02T04:04:42 < dongs> if you have two sheets open
2015-09-02T04:04:51 < dongs> ctrl=z jumps BETWEEN THEM for undo
2015-09-02T04:05:04 < dongs> and if you close one, even tho theres dstuff to undo in another one, you cant
2015-09-02T04:05:07 < dongs> fucking garbagfe
2015-09-02T04:07:43 < dongs> 'nah i was making invoices so i can get paid
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2015-09-02T04:20:28 < dongs> holy shit rscomponents.
2015-09-02T04:21:21 < dongs> ordered 25 chips
2015-09-02T04:21:23 < dongs> QFN24
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2015-09-02T04:21:33 < dongs> received TWENTY FIVE ANTISTATIC BAGS
2015-09-02T04:21:40 < dongs> with ONE CHIP PER BAG PACKED INSIDE
2015-09-02T04:28:04 < dongs> parts arrived
2015-09-02T04:28:06 < dongs> time to dicknplace
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2015-09-02T06:01:55 < Rickta59> anyone tried out these gd32f103cx chips?
2015-09-02T06:02:17 < Rickta59> supposedly 0 wait state flash and 108MHz stm32f103 clone
2015-09-02T06:03:14 < dongs> china stm clone?
2015-09-02T06:03:22 < Rickta59> yeah from gigadevices
2015-09-02T06:03:26 < dongs> you can run F103 at 144mhz anywayt
2015-09-02T06:03:37 < Rickta59> at zero wait state?
2015-09-02T06:03:44 < dongs> shruggin
2015-09-02T06:03:46 < Rickta59> i've not messed with that
2015-09-02T06:03:55 < dongs> i had zyp write me some i2c slave code
2015-09-02T06:03:59 < dongs> where I had to run it at 128mhz
2015-09-02T06:04:00 < dongs> for it to be useful
2015-09-02T06:04:17 < Rickta59> is it still running?
2015-09-02T06:04:20 < dongs> yes
2015-09-02T06:04:23 < Rickta59> nice
2015-09-02T06:04:32 < Rickta59> i figure you could push them .. just hadn't tried
2015-09-02T06:05:54 < dongs> sweet
2015-09-02T06:05:56 < dongs> chiangirl has some
2015-09-02T06:05:59 < dongs> ill sample 10
2015-09-02T06:06:10 < Rickta59> link?
2015-09-02T06:06:26 < dongs> er no link
2015-09-02T06:06:39 < dongs> asking how much
2015-09-02T06:08:25 < dongs> haha
2015-09-02T06:08:28 < dongs> tehy have parts with 3 megs of flash
2015-09-02T06:08:33 < dongs> in lqfp64
2015-09-02T06:08:37 < dongs> and 96k ram
2015-09-02T06:08:38 < dongs> wtf
2015-09-02T06:09:29 < Rickta59> http://www.eettaiwan.com/STATIC/PDF/201507/GigaDevice.pdf
2015-09-02T06:10:44 < dongs> holy shit its cheaper than F103
2015-09-02T06:10:47 < dongs> for *samples*
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2015-09-02T06:15:02 < zyp> so I bought some chinashit bench psu, shit doesn't work, so I complaind to seller
2015-09-02T06:15:07 < zyp> the voltage no that is maybe the switch Potentiometer bad，
2015-09-02T06:15:07 < zyp> you buy this i guess you must Expertise in electronic ，so could you pls take a moment to do a repair,
2015-09-02T06:15:10 < zyp> we want do a partial refund to compensate this
2015-09-02T06:15:24 < dongs> jaja
2015-09-02T06:16:48 < zyp> I actually did take a look inside yesterday before I sent the complaint, I couldn't see anything obviously bad like loose wires for the voltage setting potentiometer
2015-09-02T06:17:43 < dongs> Rickta59: lol, tehy have 'stdperiphlib' for download on their site
2015-09-02T06:17:48 < dongs> http://gd32mcu.21ic.com/documents#001
2015-09-02T06:17:52 < dongs> need to register to d l tho
2015-09-02T06:18:03 < Rickta59> ah .. i had no idea was it was telling me
2015-09-02T06:18:10 < Rickta59> the popup wouldn't translate
2015-09-02T06:19:50 < Rickta59> seems they some kind of relicense deal with ST
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2015-09-02T06:20:14 < Rickta59> yeah i don
2015-09-02T06:20:20 < Rickta59> t know .. that is why i asked here
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2015-09-02T06:21:22 < englishman> r2com spreading lies about esp8266 again
2015-09-02T06:21:34 < englishman> heh the product matrix of gd32 is cloned from st too
2015-09-02T06:21:42 < dongs> yes
2015-09-02T06:21:54 < dongs> k got logged in
2015-09-02T06:21:56 < dongs> downloading stdperiphlib
2015-09-02T06:22:09 < dongs> 3.9megs
2015-09-02T06:22:13 < dongs> already better than ST trash
2015-09-02T06:22:30 < englishman> hopefully there is a typo somewhere so the find+replace missed it leaving evidence of copypaste
2015-09-02T06:22:35 < dongs> haha
2015-09-02T06:23:48 < Rickta59> http://hujk.org/gigadevice-releases-the-enhanced-cortex-m3-mcu-products-of-the-heaped-capacity-of-the-industry/
2015-09-02T06:24:02 < dongs>  /****************** (C) COPYRIGHT 2014 GIGADEVICE *********END OF FILE*********/
2015-09-02T06:24:31 < dongs>     GPIO_InitPara GPIO_InitStructure;
2015-09-02T06:24:34 < dongs> it is basically same shit.
2015-09-02T06:24:49 < dongs> ;  * @author  MCU SD
2015-09-02T06:25:25 < Rickta59> i see a few announcements but none that say they have a deal with ST
2015-09-02T06:25:44 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/N8qObc42.html
2015-09-02T06:26:03 < dongs> i think they renamed some regs
2015-09-02T06:26:03 < dongs> haha
2015-09-02T06:26:34 < dongs> but i bet the actual position of regs is same
2015-09-02T06:26:42 < dongs>     if ((GPIOx->DIR & GPIO_Pin) != (uint32_t)Bit_RESET)
2015-09-02T06:26:49 < dongs>     if ((GPIOx->DOR & GPIO_Pin) != (uint32_t)Bit_RESET)
2015-09-02T06:26:54 < dongs> IDR->DIR. ODR -> DOR
2015-09-02T06:26:54 < dongs> heh
2015-09-02T06:27:20 < dongs> void GPIO_PinLockConfig(GPIO_TypeDef* GPIOx, uint16_t GPIO_Pin)
2015-09-02T06:27:22 < dongs> hmm??
2015-09-02T06:29:33 < dongs> ya
2015-09-02T06:29:34 < dongs> haha
2015-09-02T06:29:36 < dongs> all registers are renamed
2015-09-02T06:29:38 < dongs> but in same places
2015-09-02T06:30:00 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/8vPXFZ75.html
2015-09-02T06:31:16 < Rickta59> http://nilaiti.com/mcu-great-waves-recur-the-market-grows-and-changes-while-advancing-and-retreating/ ... something with english words that says nothing
2015-09-02T06:32:00 < dongs> http://community.arm.com/docs/DOC-6201
2015-09-02T06:32:48 < Rickta59> guess it has been around for a while
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2015-09-02T06:37:40 < upgrdman> yolo
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2015-09-02T06:38:27 < dongs> k this should be fun
2015-09-02T06:38:34 < dongs> compared ~15 peripherals, registers are same
2015-09-02T06:38:44 < dongs> even tho its all renamed slightly
2015-09-02T06:38:58 < Rickta59> probably could just use the SPL stuff you have today
2015-09-02T06:39:07 < dongs> thats waht im gonna find out
2015-09-02T06:39:13 < dongs> just gonna solder shit on top of F103 board
2015-09-02T06:39:15 < dongs> and run same code.
2015-09-02T06:40:53 < englishman> if registers are same address it should run st compiled code rite
2015-09-02T06:40:59 < dongs> yes
2015-09-02T06:41:07 < dongs> they're same address and same order of fields
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2015-09-02T06:41:16 < englishman> wonder if st-dink will identify
2015-09-02T06:41:24 < dongs> well, its arm core
2015-09-02T06:41:31 < dongs> dont see why not??
2015-09-02T06:44:38 < upgrdman> sweet. my 600 pulse/rev rotary encoders arrived in the mail.
2015-09-02T06:44:57 < upgrdman> time to figure out the timer quadrature encoder mode
2015-09-02T06:54:08 < dongs> http://www.lemicro.cn/pdf/GD32%E4%B8%8ESTM32%E5%85%BC%E5%AE%B9%E9%97%AE%E9%A2%98.pdf
2015-09-02T06:54:55 < dongs> ^ differences
2015-09-02T06:56:10 < Rickta59> ...Erase time differences with STM32, use the new ISP software ..
2015-09-02T06:57:56 < dongs> http://gd32mcu.21ic.com/data/documents/yingyongbiji/GD32F103xx-AN001-Software-Migration-Guide.pdf
2015-09-02T06:57:59 < dongs> can you click this without login?
2015-09-02T06:58:15 < Rickta59> yes
2015-09-02T06:58:53 < dongs> http://gd32mcu.21ic.com/data/documents/yingyongbiji/GD32F10x%20User%20Manual_ENV1.0.pdf i think this is refrence manual
2015-09-02T06:58:57 < dongs> still downloading, slow as ballz
2015-09-02T07:00:19 < dongs> yep
2015-09-02T07:00:21 < dongs> thats the RM
2015-09-02T07:01:42 < dongs> DMA mapping is same as F103
2015-09-02T07:02:52 < dongs> but do you think they have sa me bugs in  I2C peripheral????????????????????????????????????????
2015-09-02T07:06:10 < dongs> it has Unique ID at same place.
2015-09-02T07:06:14 < dongs> 0x1FFFF7E8
2015-09-02T07:06:36 < jpa-> cloning i2c bugs would be fun :)
2015-09-02T07:06:51 < jpa-> i wonder if they actually did anything to it, or if it is just silicon copy
2015-09-02T07:07:01 < dongs> check the differences.
2015-09-02T07:07:03 < dongs> its faster flash
2015-09-02T07:07:07 < dongs> plus some ot her stuff
2015-09-02T07:07:21 < dongs> i need to dicknplace i cant look at this shit now :()
2015-09-02T07:07:34 < jpa-> so stolen vhdl/verilog probably.. interesting
2015-09-02T07:08:10 < dongs> or they bought same peripherals that ST did.. but who knows
2015-09-02T07:08:49 < Rickta59> you would think if it was stolen ST would have responded by now no?
2015-09-02T07:09:00 < Rickta59> it has been out there for a couple of years with announcements
2015-09-02T07:09:10 < dongs> they're a licensee of arm stuff
2015-09-02T07:09:50 < jpa-> i wouldn't have been surprised if there was an official second-source for STM32 parts, but that doesn't look like one :P
2015-09-02T07:10:36 < Rickta59> gflash is supposedly theirs
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2015-09-02T07:27:47 < dongs> DFU tool looks differnet
2015-09-02T07:27:54 < dongs> they even have signed win8 drivers for it...
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2015-09-02T08:30:00 < dongs> http://www.ultraimg.com/images/003706ca.jpg
2015-09-02T08:30:03 < dongs> who comes up with this shit
2015-09-02T08:30:05 < dongs> holy fuck.
2015-09-02T08:31:22 < dos_fan]> lol
2015-09-02T08:31:49 < dos_fan]> hey but 2015 is the year of Linux of the desktop
2015-09-02T08:31:59 < dongs> i think you mean 2015+1
2015-09-02T08:32:18 < dos_fan]> +N
2015-09-02T08:33:58 < jpa-> luls, looks totally same as when i read one issue of linux format in 2000 or something
2015-09-02T08:34:19 < jpa-> all full of windows-bashing and then a bit about bash-scriptin
2015-09-02T08:35:43 < dongs> thats all lunix turds can come up wiht
2015-09-02T08:36:39 < jpa-> hey, they came up with systemd also
2015-09-02T08:36:50 < dongs> isnt that aids?
2015-09-02T08:37:13 < zyp> of course not, that's why all the linux guys hate it
2015-09-02T08:38:12 < dongs> dont they all love it?
2015-09-02T08:38:17 < dongs> all distros switching to it
2015-09-02T08:38:24 < dongs> zyp, opinion on stm32 clonez
2015-09-02T08:38:36 < zyp> idk
2015-09-02T08:40:05 < jpa-> when will laks get gd32 support?
2015-09-02T08:44:30 < dongs> laks lacks gd32 support
2015-09-02T08:51:43 < zyp> isn't it binary compatible with stm32?
2015-09-02T08:52:02 < dongs> supposedly
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2015-09-02T08:53:03 < emeb_mac> M3 only?
2015-09-02T08:53:11 < dongs> sure
2015-09-02T08:53:17 < emeb_mac> meh
2015-09-02T08:53:22 < dongs> shrug
2015-09-02T08:54:15 < dongs> y no new altium almost a month
2015-09-02T08:54:21 < dongs> 15.1.14 is full of bugz
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2015-09-02T09:45:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/RxbOgN6.png chinagirl delivers
2015-09-02T09:46:24 < ReadError> rebranded or clones?
2015-09-02T09:46:50 < ReadError> I see C8T6 but the rest looks wtf
2015-09-02T09:47:27 < zyp> haha
2015-09-02T09:47:37 < zyp> what's the pricing on those?
2015-09-02T09:50:42 < dongs> zyp, aroudn $1
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2015-09-02T09:51:05 < zyp> no huge difference then?
2015-09-02T09:51:11 < zyp> isn't f1 also cheap as fuck?
2015-09-02T09:51:27 < dongs> yeah, not outrageous but still nice
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2015-09-02T10:11:00 < Roklobsta> is there much from china that is desoldered and sold as new?
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2015-09-02T10:40:17 < dongs> you can get that if you want sure
2015-09-02T10:40:23 < dongs> its not going to be sold as new, no
2015-09-02T10:40:31 < dongs> but you can certainly get desoldered stuff.
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2015-09-02T10:51:19 < dongs> heh. free toshiba TV hdd thing arrived. it connects to TV by 3 USB connectors. 2x 3.0 1x 2.0. Inside looks like 3 HDDs - 2x 2TB and 1x 500GB. 4TB part is used to record all the channels 24/7 so you can timeshift to anything anytime. 500gb part is for general random recordings / scheduled recording shit. fucking nuts, who watches this much TV
2015-09-02T10:53:00 < Roklobsta> er, i have 2TB set up for recording DVB-T.
2015-09-02T10:53:36 < Roklobsta> not quite as sophisticated as your new toy.
2015-09-02T10:54:22 < Roklobsta> I hope that thing can do RAID
2015-09-02T10:54:26 < dongs> i can now see why it cost liek $400 to buy, but I'd never pay for it. glad it was free, I'll probably turn off the 24/7 recording thing on it after a couple days
2015-09-02T10:54:43 < dongs> i dont even watch TV enough to care
2015-09-02T10:57:51 < zyp> wat
2015-09-02T10:59:57 < Roklobsta> how many channels where you are?
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2015-09-02T11:06:48 < dongs> like 7 or osmehtin i duno
2015-09-02T11:06:52 < dongs> i dont even watch them
2015-09-02T11:08:32 < dongs> http://puu.sh/iHbP6.jpg
2015-09-02T11:10:09 < Roklobsta> blank
2015-09-02T11:10:15 < dongs> get off lunix
2015-09-02T11:10:35 < ReadError> doesnt work here
2015-09-02T11:11:13 < ReadError> its just sound?
2015-09-02T11:12:03 < ReadError> unfunny
2015-09-02T11:12:33 < mtbg> iHbP6.jpg: Macromedia Flash data, version 4
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2015-09-02T11:17:53 < ReadError> 12 windows, 468 tabs: 2nd September 2015
2015-09-02T11:18:00 < ReadError> heh new chrome record!
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2015-09-02T11:37:01 < mtbg> https://i.imgur.com/Vmq3RQ1.gifv
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2015-09-02T11:37:31 < dongs> Jorge, I don't mind them being late, what I do mind is the way they initially showed the drone to work- on an iPhone, with all the features they used in the promo video to collect all the support funds to begin with. They also have not shown one video proving the flight time outdoors or the height it can reach or the stability outdoors etc. To me that is very suspicious as they over promised and so far have under delivered. Poor communication, not being transparent a
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2015-09-02T11:43:53 < dongs> ivan wrote:
2015-09-02T11:43:54 < dongs> We are waiting on the final FCC approval for the US and IC for Canada.
2015-09-02T11:44:50 < ReadError> oh? so dongs
2015-09-02T11:44:59 < ReadError> it should be avail to view the dox
2015-09-02T11:45:29 < dongs> There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
2015-09-02T11:45:29 < dongs> Grantee Code: 2AE23
2015-09-02T11:45:31 < dongs> noipe
2015-09-02T11:49:29 < ReadError> ahh ya wtf
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2015-09-02T12:16:22 < dongs> hmmm
2015-09-02T12:16:26 < dongs> a NICE part about GD32
2015-09-02T12:16:31 < dongs> is it has way better ESD suppression
2015-09-02T12:16:32 < dongs> than STM32
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2015-09-02T12:18:24 < Steffanx> ##gd32 registered yet? :P
2015-09-02T12:18:36 < Fleck> ;p
2015-09-02T12:18:56 < Fleck> yeah dongs, move to ##gd32 - take care, bye! :D
2015-09-02T12:19:53 < mtbg> why do they have the same part numbering convention as st?
2015-09-02T12:20:07 < Steffanx> Because clone..
2015-09-02T12:21:27 < Fleck> hey upgrdman, nice videos! :)
2015-09-02T12:31:28 < Fleck> https://openstaxcollege.org << nice one!
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2015-09-02T12:36:27 < dongs> fleck, you're truly a cunt
2015-09-02T12:36:33 < Laurenceb__> gigadevice
2015-09-02T12:36:36 < Laurenceb__> sounds legit
2015-09-02T12:37:15 < dongs> also
2015-09-02T12:37:22 < dongs> gd32 core runs at 1.2V
2015-09-02T12:37:23 < dongs> stm32 is 1.8V
2015-09-02T12:37:27 < dongs> so probaly 60nm process
2015-09-02T12:37:37 < dongs> so not just copy from stm32
2015-09-02T12:37:38 < dongs> which is at 90nm
2015-09-02T12:37:39 < Laurenceb__> bigger than your dick
2015-09-02T12:37:49 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__ -_-
2015-09-02T12:37:56 < Fleck> why dongs?
2015-09-02T12:38:09 < dongs> fleck, bceause you're always negative to me
2015-09-02T12:38:30 < dongs> this is hurting my feelings
2015-09-02T12:38:32 < Laurenceb__> wait core runs at 1.2v?!
2015-09-02T12:38:36 < Fleck> nope I am positive about you sending me rev1 f7
2015-09-02T12:38:37 < Laurenceb__> so does stm32 core
2015-09-02T12:38:43 < dongs> Laurenceb__: 1.8V
2015-09-02T12:38:49 < dongs> for stm32.
2015-09-02T12:38:55 < Laurenceb__> nope, theres an internal reg
2015-09-02T12:38:58 < dongs> F4 maybe at 1.2
2015-09-02T12:40:30 < dongs> Laurenceb__: stm32 is 1.8V core.
2015-09-02T12:40:51 < dongs> VOLT. REG.
2015-09-02T12:40:52 < dongs> 3.3V TO 1.8V
2015-09-02T12:40:58 < dongs> ^ inside block diagram of F103
2015-09-02T12:41:11 < Laurenceb__> yeah thats F1
2015-09-02T12:41:26 < dongs> .. thats what we're discussing, CUNT
2015-09-02T12:42:12 < Fleck> anyway, it's funny dongs, how you see negative that goes against you, but don't notice negative that comes from you
2015-09-02T12:42:20 < dongs> fleck, its true
2015-09-02T12:42:24 < dongs> fleck, but my negative has a reasaon
2015-09-02T12:42:25 < karlp> gd32 has a neat "Code execution efficiency enhancement" bit in a special config reg at 0x4002 103C
2015-09-02T12:42:28 < dongs> reason, too
2015-09-02T12:42:29 < karlp> I wonder what it does
2015-09-02T12:42:37 < Fleck> so does mine dongs
2015-09-02T12:42:40 < dongs> karlp: heh what peripheral is that in
2015-09-02T12:43:30 < dongs> Only GD32F10xC/D/E/F/G/I/K can be configured as Code execution efficiency enhancement mode.
2015-09-02T12:44:01 < dongs> er
2015-09-02T12:44:04 < dongs> thats like all of htem
2015-09-02T12:44:14 < karlp> doh, chip id register just says, "this is constant" doesn't say what the constant is...
2015-09-02T12:44:39 < dongs> heh has a flash size registere too
2015-09-02T12:45:04 < Steffanx> When will you have yours from chinagf dongs?
2015-09-02T12:45:11 < dongs> saturday/monday
2015-09-02T12:45:16 < dongs> but im out of office till saturday anyway so
2015-09-02T12:45:21 < dongs> so probly next week
2015-09-02T12:46:25 < dongs> karlp: i wonder if that would be a good way to detect gd32 programmatically
2015-09-02T12:46:30 < dongs> try to poke a 1 into that register
2015-09-02T12:46:32 < dongs> and read it back
2015-09-02T12:46:35 < dongs> if its zero, then its probly stm32
2015-09-02T12:47:02 < Steffanx> maybe the chip id is totally different
2015-09-02T12:47:08 < dongs> sure
2015-09-02T12:47:27 < dongs> unless there's obvious fixed parts in it tho, i wouldthn rely on that
2015-09-02T12:47:50 < dongs> even then ST ID could eventually collide with that
2015-09-02T12:48:17 < artag> is it a total clone, as in no ARM license ?
2015-09-02T12:48:17 < Steffanx> oh no, it seems to be the same
2015-09-02T12:48:18 < Steffanx> http://www.newlifex.com/showtopic-1234.aspx
2015-09-02T12:48:28 < dongs> artag: they are an arm licensee
2015-09-02T12:48:29 < Steffanx> oh no that's a lie
2015-09-02T12:48:41 < artag> so a licensed chip that copies the STM perpherals ?
2015-09-02T12:48:45 < dongs> .. yes
2015-09-02T12:48:49 < dongs> apparently..
2015-09-02T12:48:49 < dongs> haha
2015-09-02T12:49:17 < artag> I'd have thought if STM objected they'd withdraw the ARM license
2015-09-02T12:49:20 < dongs> CPUID:0x412FC231 ARM ARMv7-M Cortex-M3 R1p2
2015-09-02T12:49:21 < dongs> errr
2015-09-02T12:49:30 < dongs> they're using newer rev/patch of the cortex m core
2015-09-02T12:49:37 < dongs> stm stuff is r0/p0 or somethign
2015-09-02T12:49:53 < Steffanx> are you sure, the read out of the stm32f103 shows the same
2015-09-02T12:50:00 < dongs> r1p2?
2015-09-02T12:50:15 < Steffanx> i should sleep more
2015-09-02T12:50:17 < dongs> that chinaforum says R1P1 for stm32
2015-09-02T12:50:20 < Steffanx> it does not show the same :P
2015-09-02T12:50:45 < dongs> chip IDs look like ascii garbage
2015-09-02T12:51:46 < karlp> the chip id should hopefully be constant, there's also the unique id reg that should hopefully change.
2015-09-02T12:51:58 < dongs> er unique id i what i meant
2015-09-02T12:52:17 < dongs> that china printout calls it that
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2015-09-02T12:53:09 < karlp> I mean MCUDBG ID code register (MCUDBG_IDR)
2015-09-02T12:53:14 < jpa-> IIRC unique id is ascii crap in also stm32
2015-09-02T12:53:15 < karlp> whatpage 593,
2015-09-02T12:53:37 < karlp> that' the one that has the "this is a f103, or l4, or f042" shit
2015-09-02T12:53:46 < karlp> what's the gd32 really have there?
2015-09-02T12:53:48 < dongs> karlp: yes, thats DevID in that forum
2015-09-02T12:53:59 < dongs> DevID:0x0430 RevID:0x1309
2015-09-02T12:54:02 < dongs> ^ GD32F103VK
2015-09-02T12:54:13 < dongs> DevID:0x0414 RevID:0x1309 VET6
2015-09-02T12:54:22 < dongs> DevID:0x0414 RevID:0x1001 STM32VET6
2015-09-02T12:54:41 < dongs> revid changes..
2015-09-02T12:54:53 < Steffanx> your friends already seem to use them dongs: http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=485
2015-09-02T12:54:59 < Steffanx>  / tried them
2015-09-02T12:55:00 < dongs> rite
2015-09-02T12:57:18 < Steffanx> There even is some document about how compatible this gd32 is with stm32
2015-09-02T12:57:58 < Steffanx> lol they totally failed at low power
2015-09-02T12:58:12 < Steffanx> Deep sleep - GD32F: 1.4mA vs STM32F10X: 24uA
2015-09-02T12:58:25 < Fleck> ouch
2015-09-02T12:58:51 < jpa-> i wonder if that is due to the process differences
2015-09-02T12:59:00 < karlp> yeah, looked like power was pretty high :)
2015-09-02T12:59:08 < jpa-> extra powerful processor
2015-09-02T12:59:10 < karlp> it's usb otg too, not just usb fs like f103
2015-09-02T12:59:23 < Steffanx> while standby is closer: GD32F: 10.5uA vs STM32F10X: 3.4uA
2015-09-02T12:59:34 < karlp> still  triple :)
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2015-09-02T13:02:25 < Steffanx> http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=485&start=50#p5402 intesting ..
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2015-09-02T13:04:55 < qyx_> as they don't normally quote the number of write cycles to RAM
2015-09-02T13:04:56 < qyx_> wut
2015-09-02T13:05:06 < qyx_> "GD must have licensed the use of the STM32 from STM and have enhanced it."
2015-09-02T13:05:33 < Steffanx> or they just stole it
2015-09-02T13:06:04 < jpa-> or cloned it
2015-09-02T13:06:06 < jpa-> who knows
2015-09-02T13:06:20 < jpa-> or maybe ST bought the peripherals from some chinese dude
2015-09-02T13:06:28 < jpa-> could explain the i2c bugs
2015-09-02T13:06:54 < Steffanx> time to get some chip to those chip decapping/photographing guys
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2015-09-02T13:07:23 < jpa-> well it is clearly resynthed if the process is 60nm.. so decapping wouldn't tell much
2015-09-02T13:07:45 < jpa-> unless you can see the vhdl from the pickles
2015-09-02T13:08:15 < dongs> < Steffanx> Deep sleep - GD32F: 1.4mA vs STM32F10X: 24uA
2015-09-02T13:08:19 < dongs> yeah but better @ run
2015-09-02T13:08:56 < Steffanx> Had a bad night jpa-?
2015-09-02T13:09:23 < jpa-> Steffanx: no, Tectu messaged me only once
2015-09-02T13:09:34 < dongs> st stole peripherals from GD
2015-09-02T13:09:35 < dongs> clearly
2015-09-02T13:09:52 < Fleck> ;p
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2015-09-02T13:11:25 < Steffanx> The arse, he never messages me jpa- :
2015-09-02T13:11:26 < Steffanx> (
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2015-09-02T13:22:23 < Sync_> gah
2015-09-02T13:22:27 < Sync_> dual port ram is spendy
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2015-09-02T13:32:39 < Sync_> jpa-: nah they just layered the chip and scaled the masks
2015-09-02T13:35:25 < jpa-> and pasted on USB OTG core and different cpu core etc? :P
2015-09-02T13:35:54 < Steffanx> never say never. (tm)
2015-09-02T13:36:00 < Sync_> yeah they obv dice F4 cores and glue the usb core onto their stuff
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2015-09-02T13:36:55 < zyp> f103 with 3MB flash is cute
2015-09-02T13:38:35 < Steffanx> flash bug included
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2015-09-02T13:39:08 < dongs> zyp, and its available in 64pin
2015-09-02T13:39:25 < Sync_> I wonder why ST doesn't come out with updated crap
2015-09-02T13:40:30 < dongs> psh, all they need to d o is make stm32 in some usable BGA packages
2015-09-02T13:40:39 < dongs> even 0.8mm pitch would be great
2015-09-02T13:40:46 < dongs> 1.0 even better
2015-09-02T13:42:38 < dongs> zyp, there's some dick in norway that is now distributing afros
2015-09-02T13:42:43 < dongs> in oslo
2015-09-02T13:42:44 < dongs> heh
2015-09-02T13:42:53 < zyp> heh
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2015-09-02T13:49:38 < jadew> I finally made a timer for my UV box
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2015-09-02T13:55:57 < Steffanx> "Homebrew pcbs, such a waste of time".. just wait for that response jadew :P
2015-09-02T13:57:26 < jadew> heh, sometimes things just can't wait :)
2015-09-02T14:01:37 < jadew> also, it's fater for quickly putting something tgether than protoboards
2015-09-02T14:01:51 < jadew> at least if the complexity is anything above super super simple
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2015-09-02T14:26:54 < jadew> I knew those OLEDs will come in handy http://dumb.ro/files/20150902_135204.jpg
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2015-09-02T14:29:02 < jadew> $3 / pcs
2015-09-02T14:31:32 < karlp> heh, those super cheap blue yellow ones, I got one recently to play with too
2015-09-02T14:32:03 < jadew> at first I thought the bottom strip is going to be an annoyance, but it turns out you can put it to good use :)
2015-09-02T14:33:31 < Sync_> I wonder how many billion of those things have been made for sandisk
2015-09-02T14:34:01 < jadew> what are they using them for?
2015-09-02T14:34:49 < Sync_> the sansa mp3 players
2015-09-02T14:35:10 < Laurenceb> they are I2C/hatebus  ?
2015-09-02T14:35:16 < jadew> yep
2015-09-02T14:35:33 < Laurenceb> nice
2015-09-02T14:35:36 < jadew> Sync_, I thought they're purely a hobby thing
2015-09-02T14:36:05 < jadew> but they look nice on the sansa player
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2015-09-02T14:37:17 < Sync_> pfft who would develop a 2 color OLED for hobby use?
2015-09-02T14:39:01 < jadew> don't know, I bet the chinese do a lot of stuff for hobby use only
2015-09-02T14:39:25 < jadew> they surely have a lot of technology in place to come up with new things that are only appealing to the hobbyists
2015-09-02T14:41:12 < jadew> I bet they sold more as OLED modules than embeded in that player
2015-09-02T14:41:34 < jadew> the customers for the player buy 1
2015-09-02T14:41:45 < jadew> I buy in 10s
2015-09-02T14:43:01 < Steffanx> they also do spi Laurenceb
2015-09-02T14:44:10 < Steffanx> You have it upside down jadew. So its the top strip that is yellow, not the bottom :P
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2015-09-02T14:44:49 < jadew> I noticed that too, but I'm not 100% sure
2015-09-02T14:44:58 < jadew> I followed the datasheet and I'm writing data top to bottom
2015-09-02T14:45:19 < jadew> I think it can rotate the view tho
2015-09-02T14:49:49 < Sync_> jadew: sure but only with finished products, they won't develop a complete display
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2015-09-02T14:52:38 < Laurenceb> this stuff actually works http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/cyanoacrylate-adhesives/0473394/
2015-09-02T14:52:42  * Laurenceb amaze
2015-09-02T14:55:25 < Sync_> does it work good or does it only work
2015-09-02T14:55:47 < Laurenceb> seems to work well
2015-09-02T14:55:53 < Sync_> I usually just plasma treat ptfe
2015-09-02T14:55:58 < Sync_> works well aswell
2015-09-02T14:57:48 < artag> I'm looking for an oled display about 20x120mm, preferably higher definition than that one. Is there a good source for wide ranges of standard lines or fairly low volume custom ?
2015-09-02T14:58:28 < emeryth> 120mm? that's kinda big
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2015-09-02T15:20:37 < artag> not as big as a tv
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2015-09-02T15:44:45 < dekar> dongs, http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000KL61ES/
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2015-09-02T16:51:26 < Laurenceb> attn dongs  https://www.dropbox.com/s/2vag48xzt7yzaky/2015-09-02%2014.44.07.jpg?dl=0
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2015-09-02T16:56:54 < kakimir> rocket igniter?
2015-09-02T16:57:51 < kakimir> obiviously it controls some actuators
2015-09-02T16:57:53 < englishman> dildo with 14 stepper motors
2015-09-02T16:58:26 < kakimir> it's going to be quite big one
2015-09-02T16:59:17 < Steffanx> No, its Laurenceb trying to make fun of his friends in #highaltitude again.
2015-09-02T16:59:22 < kakimir> what is that connector type?
2015-09-02T16:59:44 < Laurenceb> wonder what the opinion on eagle  + mac was :P
2015-09-02T17:00:07 < Laurenceb> in b4 trolling
2015-09-02T17:02:35 < karlp> what's that weird footprint?
2015-09-02T17:02:40 < kakimir> i don't understand
2015-09-02T17:02:58 < karlp> the fourway cross with two big diagonally opposite
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2015-09-02T17:14:18 < karlp> Laurenceb: those blue/yellow oled things are available in spi too, not just hate2c
2015-09-02T17:15:24 < karlp> nvm, steffanx already said that
2015-09-02T17:15:47 < karlp> the demo sw I tried had yellow on top too, but I didn't read any datasheets myself, sif
2015-09-02T17:16:28 < Laurenceb> ok
2015-09-02T17:17:24 < karlp> the same vendor sells "nice" colours too, but the yellow/blue one is just much cheaper
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2015-09-02T17:21:56 < kakimir> what makes 4x differences in crystal prices?
2015-09-02T17:22:58 < kakimir> 0.9eur crystal another with same main figures 3,4eur
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2015-09-02T17:25:33 < jpa-> compare the specs
2015-09-02T17:25:55 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-02T17:26:01 < jpa-> could also be just a matter of some less common type/freq/case so that volumes are smaller
2015-09-02T17:28:09 < kakimir> same size
2015-09-02T17:28:27 < kakimir> and datasheets seem to suck
2015-09-02T17:28:37 < jpa-> do you expect us to play guessing game?
2015-09-02T17:29:25 < kakimir> hmm could 12pf -> 8pf load capasitance make that much difference?
2015-09-02T17:29:56 < kakimir> okay and serries resistance is halved
2015-09-02T17:30:44 < jpa-> could just be a less common combination
2015-09-02T17:33:59 < kakimir> ended up with epson fa-128 series
2015-09-02T17:37:09 < kakimir> http://media.digikey.com/Photos/Molex/0834219037.jpg
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2015-09-02T18:35:34 < jpa-> http://tonskulus.kuvat.fi/kuvat/sekalaiset/camera+repair/skooppi110.JPG   so cute
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2015-09-02T18:40:54 < kakimir> is less load capacitance ideal in rtc crystals?
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2015-09-02T18:42:51 < zyp> less power wasted perhaps?
2015-09-02T18:43:08 < kakimir> hmm okay
2015-09-02T18:43:08 < zyp> which may matter when you're running of a supercap or something
2015-09-02T18:43:14 < zyp> probably not
2015-09-02T18:45:02 < mtbg> stm32 also have a limited maximal capacitance the generator can drive
2015-09-02T18:45:53 < mtbg> so some xtals cannot even be used if one wants to comply with specs
2015-09-02T18:47:14 < kakimir> 6pF will be ok
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2015-09-02T19:02:34 < karlp> jpa-: what is that? and whatyear was it made?
2015-09-02T19:09:12 < jubatus> zyp: i will guess your supercap's self-discharge rate will be 10x or 100x the current taken by the crystal
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2015-09-02T19:16:53 < kakimir> guys can you recommend reel holders for workdesk for most used smds?
2015-09-02T19:17:38 < karlp> jubatus: what about dongs for serving up busted flash on a .jpg url?
2015-09-02T19:19:51 < jubatus> with dongs its understood to be a trollink so its ok
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2015-09-02T19:22:02 < karlp> huh, dongs links are normally pretty good, it's upgrdman, laurencehabster and r2com to worry about
2015-09-02T19:22:28 < gxti> but r2com is real pro ee
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2015-09-02T19:43:40 < Laurenceb> typical NSF forum dwellers  http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=38203.0,3Battach=1063218,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.n2sz_v-kPk.jpg
2015-09-02T19:44:18 < ReadError> thats you in 10 years hairypotter
2015-09-02T19:46:06 < Laurenceb> I dont know about the straightjacket
2015-09-02T19:46:12 < Steffanx> Seen thinks cannot be unseen applies to you here ReadError? :P
2015-09-02T19:48:13 < ReadError> alls I know, I seen harrypotter talking about raccoons
2015-09-02T19:48:46 < jpa-> karlp: http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/thurlby_oscilloscope_sc110a.html
2015-09-02T19:49:54 < Steffanx> Laurenceb will never do a public talk again.
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2015-09-02T21:05:30 < kakimir> it's getting cold and dark 8|
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2015-09-02T21:13:30 < ReadError> just looked outside, lie confirmed.
2015-09-02T21:14:18 < kakimir> I feel sad
2015-09-02T21:33:19 < mtbg> that's bad
2015-09-02T21:33:47 < mtbg> try feeling focused and mystical instead
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2015-09-02T22:01:49 < Steffanx> many finnishlanders have that issue, isn't it kakimir?
2015-09-02T22:01:55 < Steffanx> The winter depression issue that is
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2015-09-02T22:02:51 < zyp> I only get depressed when I have to dig out my car before I can go somewhere
2015-09-02T22:03:01 < Steffanx> Still the same old volvo zyp?
2015-09-02T22:03:17 < zyp> yeah, haven't managed to kill it yet
2015-09-02T22:03:37 < zyp> next inspection is in february, will see how expensive it'll be to fix shit this time
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2015-09-02T22:07:40 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-09-02T22:07:51 < zyp> why the fuck are you awake?
2015-09-02T22:08:22 < dongs> driving to airport in a minute
2015-09-02T22:08:47 < zyp> oh
2015-09-02T22:08:57 < zyp> have a nice hijacking^Wflight
2015-09-02T22:09:18 < dongs> tahts the plan
2015-09-02T22:09:39 < kakimir> I have little repair work to do. timing belt, auxlary belt, water pump, brake lines at back, brake liquids, engine oils and filter and maybe gearbox oils
2015-09-02T22:10:16 < Steffanx> new car?
2015-09-02T22:10:19 < zyp> hehe
2015-09-02T22:10:24 < kakimir> and one of support arms of front right
2015-09-02T22:10:40 < zyp> I changed all four brake discs last year
2015-09-02T22:10:58 < zyp> and one of the calipers were being an ass during the process, so I changed the two front calipers as well
2015-09-02T22:11:23 < zyp> all in all $500 and a couple hours of work
2015-09-02T22:12:23 < PaulFertser> How many kilometers does one need to drive to wear out the disks?
2015-09-02T22:12:34 < PaulFertser> Like 200k?
2015-09-02T22:12:42 < kakimir> ye
2015-09-02T22:12:52 < kakimir> what you take as worn
2015-09-02T22:12:58 < zyp> oh, they weren't worn out
2015-09-02T22:13:00 < PaulFertser> Out of tolerance.
2015-09-02T22:13:11 < zyp> there were just too much rust on them
2015-09-02T22:13:13 < kakimir> typical
2015-09-02T22:13:54 < zyp> I don't have time for braking when I drive, so they just sit there and rust
2015-09-02T22:13:59 < PaulFertser> I need to change the steering bearings on my bike :/
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2015-09-02T22:15:37 < PaulFertser> kakimir: btw, what procedure do you follow when changing the breaking fluid?
2015-09-02T22:15:55 < kakimir> something like bleed out and then...
2015-09-02T22:15:57 < kakimir> idk
2015-09-02T22:16:09 < kakimir> 13year old fluids
2015-09-02T22:16:13 < kakimir> time to change
2015-09-02T22:16:36 < Steffanx> but how will you change it?
2015-09-02T22:18:02 < kakimir> 1) watch youtube tutorial
2015-09-02T22:18:13 < kakimir> 2) if in doubt call a friend
2015-09-02T22:18:23 < kakimir> 3)mess
2015-09-02T22:18:28 < Steffanx> 4) Garage
2015-09-02T22:18:39 < gxti> pay extra because you messed it up
2015-09-02T22:19:04 < englishman> 200k on discs O.o
2015-09-02T22:19:11 < zyp> PaulFertser, empty it out, fill it back up, bleed off air?
2015-09-02T22:19:15 < kakimir> some change every 100k
2015-09-02T22:19:29 < PaulFertser> zyp: there're different ways to bleed off air.
2015-09-02T22:19:34 < englishman> chaging brake fluid, without pro tools need 2 people, just pump fluid thru manually til its nice and clean
2015-09-02T22:19:47 < PaulFertser> zyp: one way involves an additional hose and some jar or such.
2015-09-02T22:19:50 < PaulFertser> Another doesn't.
2015-09-02T22:19:54 < zyp> PaulFertser, different? there is a pretty well defined order
2015-09-02T22:20:02 < englishman> whats the other way
2015-09-02T22:20:05 < zyp> and yeah, you use a hose and a jar to collect
2015-09-02T22:20:12 < englishman> you need a hose going up from the bleeder to make sure air doesnt get in
2015-09-02T22:20:21 < englishman> preferably clear so you can see the fluid and air inside
2015-09-02T22:20:23 < kakimir> ok
2015-09-02T22:20:34 < kakimir> you just run it thru slowly?
2015-09-02T22:20:50 < englishman> yea using the brake pedal as a pump
2015-09-02T22:21:17 < englishman> when the pedal hits the floor close the bleeder and get your assistant to pump slowly to make pressure again
2015-09-02T22:21:31 < PaulFertser> I always did it like that, and I've never seen anybody using the official way: you just "pump" the pedal several times and then hold it firmly, then another persons unscrews the bleeder a bit and observes the fluid fountain and screws it back when it's just about to end. Repeat until no air in the fountain is noticeable.
2015-09-02T22:21:55 < zyp> haha, that sounds dumb
2015-09-02T22:21:58 < englishman> wat
2015-09-02T22:22:02 < PaulFertser> Actually, works just fine.
2015-09-02T22:22:03 < englishman> if the fountain stops, theres no fluid left
2015-09-02T22:22:12 < englishman> and youre pumping a master cylinder dry
2015-09-02T22:22:14 < PaulFertser> You screw it back before it stops.
2015-09-02T22:22:27 < PaulFertser> The pressure drops gradually.
2015-09-02T22:22:29 < englishman> oh i read wrong
2015-09-02T22:22:41 < zyp> PaulFertser, sure it works, just way harder to judge
2015-09-02T22:22:56 < englishman> the clear hose is just to make sure no air gets back in, its easier to see bubbles and catch the fluid so it doesnt get all over your cv boots etc
2015-09-02T22:22:57 < PaulFertser> zyp: but less tools to use.
2015-09-02T22:23:10 < zyp> PaulFertser, because you can't afford a piece of clear plastic hose?
2015-09-02T22:23:23 < PaulFertser> Just because you do not have it handy.
2015-09-02T22:23:39 < PaulFertser> And there's little reason to complicate the procedure when it works fine without.
2015-09-02T22:23:40 < zyp> then you're just badly prepared
2015-09-02T22:24:05 < PaulFertser> Sometimes you have no choice.
2015-09-02T22:24:51 < zyp> yeah, I hate being forced to bleed off air from my brakes without being allowed to pick up a piece of clear hose first
2015-09-02T22:24:53  * PaulFertser doesn't like cars :/
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2015-09-02T22:41:59 < kakimir> how is it when I have to change hoses
2015-09-02T22:43:27 < kakimir> I need to pump it up the hill
2015-09-02T22:43:33 < kakimir> I think
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2015-09-02T23:13:51 < kakimir> is there conciderations with typical shielded smd coils when using high switching frequency of 1mhz?
2015-09-02T23:14:16 < kakimir> shouldn't be a problem there
2015-09-02T23:15:37 < kakimir> "high"
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2015-09-03T00:21:47 < Sync_> PaulFertser: depends on how you drive
2015-09-03T00:23:19 < Sync_> I can toast a set of discs very easily in a day of driving on the nordschleife
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2015-09-03T00:44:53 < kakimir> misuse or use
2015-09-03T00:46:18 < kakimir> drive red hot discs to water pool
2015-09-03T00:46:30 < Sync_> well, they will be worn
2015-09-03T00:48:25 < kakimir> anotheris not to cool discs before stoping
2015-09-03T00:49:04 < kakimir> calibers cool disc unevenly
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2015-09-03T03:32:10 < kakimir> troniikka(+CTmns [Act: 4,5,6,7,8,9,12]
2015-09-03T03:32:10 < kakimir> [#elektroniikka]
2015-09-03T03:32:23 < kakimir> okay putty
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2015-09-03T03:37:26 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHc288IPFzk I'm not sure if you can handle this but there it is
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2015-09-03T04:27:39 < PeterM> [06:13] <kakimir> is there conciderations with typical shielded smd coils when using high switching frequency of 1mhz?
2015-09-03T04:28:35 < PeterM> no, just yuour standard "dont run sensitive signals throuygh the middle of the flux path
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2015-09-03T05:13:34 < upgrdman> ya wtf is with the new logo
2015-09-03T05:13:54 < upgrdman> i was like "is this some sort of half-asses MITM"
2015-09-03T05:24:34 < englishman> it can cost $100k, if you fuck up the first 4 times
2015-09-03T05:25:50 < englishman> arent there a shitload of different certs and this is consult-a-lawyer shit
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2015-09-03T05:41:13 < upgrdman> R2COM, im actually working with UL at work this week
2015-09-03T05:41:25 < upgrdman> iec 60601
2015-09-03T05:42:16 < upgrdman> not sure about everything, but i know for us, ul cert isn't so much a legal requirement but a "no one will buy it if you don't"
2015-09-03T05:42:53 < upgrdman> that said, i have no idea how much we're paying
2015-09-03T05:43:04 < upgrdman> fun fact: ul is a non-profit organization.
2015-09-03T05:45:50 < upgrdman> i imageine it's more like "insurance company will not insure us, unless xyz are UL cert'd"
2015-09-03T05:47:33 < upgrdman> fwiw, our UL rep is a really nice person and has been a pleasure to work with
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2015-09-03T05:48:05 < upgrdman> not hostile, not authoritarian, etc.
2015-09-03T05:48:40 < upgrdman> well he could easily be a dick if he wanted to. its not like we have much choice. we "need" ul if we want a decent size martket to sell to
2015-09-03T05:50:52 < upgrdman> iec?
2015-09-03T05:51:08 < upgrdman> many places consider ul "acceptable"
2015-09-03T05:51:44 < upgrdman> http://www.iec.ch/
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2015-09-03T05:52:41 < upgrdman> from what QA/RA tells me, in the usa we're only really worried about the FDA, and the FDA is much easier to keep happy than UL/IEC
2015-09-03T05:52:55 < upgrdman> but im medical, not sure about consumer stuff
2015-09-03T05:53:58 < upgrdman> food and drug admisintration
2015-09-03T05:54:02 < upgrdman> yes medical
2015-09-03T05:54:14 < upgrdman> no, medical xray machines
2015-09-03T05:54:42 < upgrdman> but fda reg's medical, not just drugs
2015-09-03T05:55:16 < upgrdman> lol prolly not
2015-09-03T05:55:38 < upgrdman> but 2 lay, all DIP/PLCC or cer DIP / CLCC
2015-09-03T05:56:05 < upgrdman> shit, even out "new" board that were moved over to mostly SMD are like 90% PLCC trash
2015-09-03T05:58:01 < upgrdman> random question: LDO drop-out voltages... so it's mostly because of the pmos, right? <50mOhm RdsON is easy to get, so why is drop out so noteworthy? is it becasue the high speed pmos's have high RdsON?
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2015-09-03T06:06:27 < upgrdman> why do you need any headroom? becasue of non-linearity of the gate voltage to pass current?
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2015-09-03T06:10:12 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-03T06:10:12 < upgrdman> but
2015-09-03T06:10:27 < upgrdman> you said headroom. is that just because of RdsON?
2015-09-03T06:11:47 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-03T06:12:38 < upgrdman> and why is it not ~trivial to get regulators with like a few mV of dropout? do the high-bandwidth pass transistors have like an ohm of RdsON?
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2015-09-03T06:13:47 < upgrdman> ah ok
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2015-09-03T07:22:54 < upgrdman> R2COM, we need this    http://i.imgur.com/MZQGy9z.gifv
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2015-09-03T07:29:24 < PeterM> BRRRRRT GAU-8
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2015-09-03T07:31:31 < PeterM> whats the rusdie equiv
2015-09-03T07:32:14 < PeterM> you cant mount that on a p[lane though
2015-09-03T07:35:43 < PeterM> noice
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2015-09-03T07:36:12 < PeterM> Action	Gas actuated, electrically fired
2015-09-03T07:36:56 < PeterM> no hydraulics
2015-09-03T07:39:29 < PeterM> how? less weight? more reliable?
2015-09-03T07:40:00 < PeterM> how does wear and reliability compare?
2015-09-03T07:41:11 < PeterM> fair enough, you sounded liek you knew a fair bit so was worth asking
2015-09-03T07:44:00 < PeterM> mmhm, i guess i gotta look up for GSh-6-30 BRRRRRRRRT
2015-09-03T07:45:43 < PeterM> the weapons are usually so large they are on aircraft not designed for dogfights though, they are usually used for strafing
2015-09-03T07:46:05 < PeterM> still nice to have though
2015-09-03T07:46:32 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mW7ymAYNBA
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2015-09-03T07:50:05 < PeterM> the spinup sounds super fast compared to the GAU-8 - like instant, you can hear a GAU-8 BRRRRTing fast and faster as it spins up
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2015-09-03T08:21:03 < upgrdman> adc question. so the adc in an stm32, running at 1MSPS, gets really noisey if it's reading something with an impedance of just a few hundred ohms. incrasing the sampling duration fixes it. how do super fast adc's handle this? is their sampling cap much smaller, or do they need to be fed from a beefy analog buffer?
2015-09-03T08:22:39 < emeb_mac> both
2015-09-03T08:23:07 < emeb_mac> there are special low impedance buffer amps designed to drive the inputs of high-speed ADCs.
2015-09-03T08:23:28 < upgrdman> any reason why it's not done on one die?
2015-09-03T08:23:40 < upgrdman> e.g. adc + anal buffer in one chip
2015-09-03T08:23:48 < emeb_mac> some do.
2015-09-03T08:24:17 < emeb_mac> but often the silicon processes used for the ADC are different from those needed for the buffer amp.
2015-09-03T08:24:30 < upgrdman> k
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2015-09-03T08:38:56 < GargantuaSauce> and separating em keeps your high-impedance analog signal further away from the noisy digital bullshit
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2015-09-03T10:12:20 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLwGfoybuPw
2015-09-03T10:13:49 < PeterM> 10/10 true blue aussie legend
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2015-09-03T10:17:04 < ReadError> i cant tell the difference between UK and AU accent really ;/
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2015-09-03T10:19:33 < GargantuaSauce> its all in the colloquialisms
2015-09-03T10:20:02 < GargantuaSauce> also vowels but thats subtler
2015-09-03T10:20:12 < ReadError> all sounds the same to my uncultured american ears
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2015-09-03T10:29:22 < PeterM> ReadError, pull the cheeseburgers out and you'll be able to hear
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2015-09-03T10:32:34 < ReadError> but they taste.so.good.
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2015-09-03T10:35:32 < ReadError> PeterM seen this show in AU or NZ
2015-09-03T10:35:39 < ReadError> and all the criminals are 'Māori'
2015-09-03T10:35:45 < ReadError> why is this
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2015-09-03T10:38:55 < ReadError> PeterM I axed you a question but you left
2015-09-03T10:39:05 < ReadError> this AU or NZ police show
2015-09-03T10:39:09 < ReadError> all the criminals are 'Māori'
2015-09-03T10:39:10 < ReadError> why
2015-09-03T10:40:20 < GargantuaSauce> brown
2015-09-03T10:41:48 < Roklobsta> These guys?  http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/15/world/gallery/nz-gang-face-tattoo-feat/index.html
2015-09-03T10:41:56 < PeterM> NZ cop show, in NZ the native popul;ace is Maori
2015-09-03T10:43:05 < PeterM> infortunately, often when native indigenous culture meets western culture, the fringes have rough edges
2015-09-03T10:43:15 < Roklobsta> like many places the nonwhites have a disproportionate representation in the criminal system
2015-09-03T10:43:41 < Roklobsta> you'll get the same story with aborigines in parts of australia
2015-09-03T10:43:51 < Roklobsta> and indians in canada
2015-09-03T10:44:01 < Roklobsta> ooops inuit
2015-09-03T10:44:04 < GargantuaSauce> we did a better job the genocide though
2015-09-03T10:44:43 < Roklobsta> i thought canadians were nice.
2015-09-03T10:45:16 < GargantuaSauce> our first prime minister diverted food away from reservations to line his pockets
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2015-09-03T10:47:28 < Roklobsta> same stories in japan with their aborigines and Taiwan too.
2015-09-03T10:50:05 < Roklobsta> Just head to PNG if you want some real wild stuff.
2015-09-03T10:51:29 < Roklobsta> isn't that where Dongs is off to?
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2015-09-03T13:58:42 < Laurenceb> found wifecop  http://cosplayers.acparadise.com/100/100-860fc3f0d70ae66cf5c347249e95997d.jpg
2015-09-03T13:59:37 < Laurenceb> flies longer than zano
2015-09-03T14:00:42 < PeterM> Sync_, i quite like that idea, 1 motor = 1 esc = 1 batt and just link upo the controllers
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2015-09-03T14:17:13 < Laurenceb> how do i run a .jar file?
2015-09-03T14:18:33 < ReadError> javaw?
2015-09-03T14:18:44 < Steffanx> double click .jar :P
2015-09-03T14:19:01 < zyp> delete the .jar
2015-09-03T14:19:09 < Steffanx> and there is that
2015-09-03T14:19:11 < Laurenceb> hmm
2015-09-03T14:19:17 < Laurenceb> bazillion errors
2015-09-03T14:19:33 < Laurenceb> this doesnt look hopefull
2015-09-03T14:19:38 < zyp> yeah, just save yourself the time and delete it
2015-09-03T14:21:08 < PeterM> delete /system32/
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2015-09-03T14:26:14 < zyp> modern java? isn't that called C#?
2015-09-03T14:27:09 < PeterM> modern java? isn't that called flash?
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2015-09-03T14:30:34 < Fleck> lold :D
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2015-09-03T14:31:55 < Steffanx> Modern flash is also known as JavaScript/CSS
2015-09-03T14:32:05 < Steffanx> It's all in the name
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2015-09-03T14:39:23 < karlp> I'll call modern java anything after java 5, but 6 boosted perf a lot too.
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2015-09-03T15:06:48 < PeterM> oh i forgot about #tarduino heh should have registered that
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2015-09-03T17:53:00 < englishman> found dongs http://i.imgur.com/1olRWSo.jpg
2015-09-03T17:53:41 < Steffanx> and, wifecop, grandcop, little cop and ... r2com?
2015-09-03T17:54:27 < ReadError> tracksuit not spotted
2015-09-03T17:54:28 < ReadError> cant be
2015-09-03T18:03:12 < mtbg> hi
2015-09-03T18:05:18 < Steffanx> lo
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2015-09-03T22:34:48 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_7o4q5MjTw musics
2015-09-03T22:36:32 < Steffanx> You said music kakimir ... -_-
2015-09-03T22:37:34 < kakimir> turning black
2015-09-03T22:39:31 < kakimir> as we say here.. become swedish
2015-09-03T22:39:52 < Steffanx> What's next: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KmB-QqDGWA ?
2015-09-03T22:39:59 < Steffanx> turning korean
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2015-09-03T22:44:40 < kakimir> how is europe I wonder?
2015-09-03T22:45:09 < emeb> turning japanese - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgekmOqCFTU
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2015-09-03T23:11:03 < kakimir> lot's of struckle I bet
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2015-09-03T23:47:03 < kakimir> it takes 2hours to choose 2 diodes
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2015-09-03T23:47:37 < kakimir> 1.5hours of internet and 0.5hours of choosing
2015-09-03T23:49:07 < Fleck> kakimir: what are you up to?
2015-09-03T23:50:06 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/a/QgBRd
2015-09-03T23:50:06 < kakimir> money
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2015-09-04T00:18:03 < karlp> woop woop suck it Steffanx  :)
2015-09-04T00:21:29 < Fleck> good answer kakimir
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2015-09-04T00:24:09 < Laurenceb__> http://blog.estately.com/assets/shameful-google-searches3.png
2015-09-04T00:24:45 < Laurenceb__> today I learnt some new words
2015-09-04T00:25:40 < englishman> what comic is that harry
2015-09-04T00:25:58 < Laurenceb__> needs title text removing so it can be alternative map of USA
2015-09-04T00:26:17 < englishman> no before
2015-09-04T00:26:21 < englishman> the pig fuckers
2015-09-04T00:26:45 < Laurenceb__> I dunno lul
2015-09-04T00:26:53 < Laurenceb__> found it on voat
2015-09-04T00:26:55 < englishman> why is there a unfinished pane in the middle lol
2015-09-04T00:32:17 < kakimir> is pig fucking a thing now
2015-09-04T00:32:25 < kakimir> *in states
2015-09-04T00:32:57 < Roklobsta> as in law specifically against it that the real intended laws are pinned to?
2015-09-04T00:33:11 < Lux> has anyone here tried to do spi with crc on an stm32 ?
2015-09-04T00:33:54 < Laurenceb__> Lux: yes
2015-09-04T00:34:00 < Laurenceb__> but I forgot how it worked lulz
2015-09-04T00:34:02 < Laurenceb__> sorry
2015-09-04T00:34:03 < Lux> from what i understand from the ref manual it should all happen automatically when configured with dma, but i somehow get seemingly random values for the crc on the receive side
2015-09-04T00:34:13 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2015-09-04T00:34:18 < Laurenceb__> sounds like its working then
2015-09-04T00:34:23 < Lux> the stuff my slave sends back is constant, but not the crc
2015-09-04T00:34:26 < Laurenceb__> CRC should be seemingly random
2015-09-04T00:34:28 < Laurenceb__> oh
2015-09-04T00:34:29 < Lux> not really :)
2015-09-04T00:34:36 < Laurenceb__> paybe it needs the CRC resetting
2015-09-04T00:34:43 < Laurenceb__> thats usual for CRC hardware
2015-09-04T00:35:34 < Lux> could be, but from my undertanding it should be done by hardware
2015-09-04T00:35:46 < Lux> at least that's what the ref manual claims
2015-09-04T00:36:04 < Lux> too bad there are hardly any code examples using it :/
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2015-09-04T00:46:18 < karlp> error checking? whats that?
2015-09-04T00:47:43 < karlp> heh, thought swo wasn't wired up on this dodgy china board,
2015-09-04T00:48:27 < karlp> turns out the odd connector on the 20pin/6pin/xx pin adaptor plate I was using let me fit a jumper lead between the pin and the white plastic huosing, so totally just hadn't actually hooked it up myself :)
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2015-09-04T01:03:20 < Steffanx> umh such what karlp?
2015-09-04T01:03:22 < Steffanx> and why?
2015-09-04T01:04:05 < Steffanx> *suck
2015-09-04T01:12:50 < kakimir> I want an airplane that can stay in air for years
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2015-09-04T01:14:04 < kakimir> carry small crew even
2015-09-04T01:14:25 < Steffanx> Try a spaceship
2015-09-04T01:14:37 < Steffanx> oh air
2015-09-04T01:14:45 < kakimir> no but one that flies in athmosphere
2015-09-04T01:14:46 < Steffanx> That could be an issue
2015-09-04T01:15:17 < kakimir> like solar impulse but bigger and better
2015-09-04T01:17:40 < BrainDamage> giant vacuum zeppelin
2015-09-04T01:18:20 < BrainDamage> unlike gas filled ballooons it has the advantage it can use pumps to compensate leaks
2015-09-04T01:18:59 < kakimir> little robots would wash dust off the wings and fuselaghe
2015-09-04T01:19:08 < kakimir> in flight
2015-09-04T01:20:06 < kakimir> even propeling unit would be in flight maintainable
2015-09-04T01:21:00 < kakimir> everything would be
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2015-09-04T01:27:08 < kakimir> damaged wing panels, servo replacements
2015-09-04T01:28:01 < Steffanx> Don't forget the most important part kakimir. Needs a 100mbit up/down internet connection
2015-09-04T01:29:57 < kakimir> that is done with proper pile of sdr gear on board
2015-09-04T01:31:10 < BrainDamage> and the uv degradation that'd force it down every once in a while
2015-09-04T01:33:02 < kakimir> with modern epoxies that would take a while
2015-09-04T01:34:12 < Steffanx> In the air refueling style balloon replacement.
2015-09-04T01:36:19 < kakimir> refueling? food?
2015-09-04T01:37:45 < kakimir> i think it would be good to be able land standard cessna on roof of it
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2015-09-04T01:41:29 < kakimir> but better to have the thing to be able to land on land and sea
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2015-09-04T03:35:39 < downgrdman__> lol. hi-pot fail. the e-stop switch we use is keyed. it passes hi-pot with the key removed, but arc's over if the key is installed.
2015-09-04T03:36:00 < downgrdman__> regardless of e-stop position
2015-09-04T03:39:57 < emeb> oops
2015-09-04T03:40:43 < downgrdman__> i can kinda understand tho. it only arc's over at about 3.8kV... but we need to pass 4kV for UL
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2015-09-04T03:47:36 < downgrdman__> when is Tectu usually in here?
2015-09-04T03:47:46 < downgrdman__> or is he irregular
2015-09-04T03:48:12 < talsit> during swiss waking times
2015-09-04T03:59:41 < downgrdman__> sup
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2015-09-04T04:07:32 < karlp> Steffanx: we beat you both home _and_ away. :)
2015-09-04T04:09:26 < karlp> http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/qualifiers/season=2016/matches/round=2000446/match=2013971/postmatch/quotes/index.html
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2015-09-04T04:56:41 < upgrdman> no chatz :(
2015-09-04T05:17:43 < upgrdman> so, uh, timers. counting up and triggering at the end seems logical. why might you want a count-down timer?
2015-09-04T05:23:13 < upgrdman> err i have that backwards i think
2015-09-04T05:25:03 < upgrdman> like if you want a timer event after 30 "clock ticks" then it seems logical to have the counter start at 30 and count down to 0. but some people setup a counter up from (max_value - 30) until overflow. why?
2015-09-04T05:27:04 < dongs> The question is: can I record Full-HD 30 fps video with 1.0 software, and download them on my PC ?? (only if I connect Zano to PC via USB ? who cares! I do the same with my Gopro)  ;)
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2015-09-04T05:35:16 < dongs> Obviously the jump in quality of video from v1.0 to v1.1 will be huge. In v1.1 the videos are still sent to your handset in preview frame rate and your handset records them. Lets say you get 10FPS from Zano whilst recording and Zano is running at 25FPS internally. The 15FPS that is not sent to your handset will be recorded and then from the app when you are happy with the preview after reviewing it, Zano can send the remaining 15FPS directly to your handset. The app 
2015-09-04T05:50:21 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-04T05:50:31 < upgrdman> for center-aligned pwm?
2015-09-04T05:55:03 < upgrdman> when is center-aligned pwm used over normal pwm?
2015-09-04T05:57:08 < upgrdman> so center-aligned is only nice when you want to trigger something (like an ADC sampling) in the middle of a pwm cycle?
2015-09-04T06:07:22 < upgrdman> sure, why not
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2015-09-04T06:50:57 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://imgur.com/DcQFPwQ
2015-09-04T06:53:01 < emeb_mac> that looks unsafe
2015-09-04T07:03:51 < vi_bk> Hi there
2015-09-04T07:04:30 < vi_bk> Does anyone here has installed ecos on the stm32f4discovery board?
2015-09-04T07:06:00 < vi_bk> I'm stuck on some problems, and it would be nice if someone could help-me. I tried to run the tests, but with out success...
2015-09-04T07:07:29 < vi_bk> (I should have never clicked on that link... ¬¬)
2015-09-04T07:20:53 < vi_bk> just to be sure... is this a channel about microcontrollers? Those are really dark links...
2015-09-04T07:34:25 < upgrdman> vi_bk, sorry
2015-09-04T07:34:36 < upgrdman> we're often off topic in here. and im a bad influence
2015-09-04T07:34:48 < upgrdman> but yes, most of us play or work with stm32 mcu's
2015-09-04T07:35:06 < upgrdman> and no, i have not installed ecos on an f4disco
2015-09-04T07:35:07 < vi_bk> no problem... do you know ecos?
2015-09-04T07:35:27 < vi_bk> ok.
2015-09-04T07:35:37 < upgrdman> i dont even know what it is. some sort of rtos?
2015-09-04T07:36:00 < vi_bk> Just asked on the ecos channel... Yeah, it i
2015-09-04T07:36:02 < vi_bk> is
2015-09-04T07:36:24 < vi_bk> red hat owns it now
2015-09-04T07:36:57 < vi_bk> have you ever installed some rtos on a f4disco board?
2015-09-04T07:37:14 < ReadError> normally you dont 'install' a OS on a board
2015-09-04T07:37:21 < ReadError> an OS*
2015-09-04T07:39:09 < vi_bk> well, I know, but I would like to try it. I'm would like to try installing one to enable some communications. My dream is to do an ssh on the board.
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2015-09-04T07:44:17 < vi_bk> if the performance is too low, I will use just plain code. But there is other rtos that a friend has used to control a quadricopter with the same board, so I think it will not be a problem.
2015-09-04T07:45:09 < vi_bk> The real problem know is my lack of knowledge...
2015-09-04T07:45:50 < ReadError> well yea, its not an OS how you think
2015-09-04T07:47:34 < vi_bk> but there is a communication stack on it. If I have at least some socket communication with the board it would be better.
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2015-09-04T08:47:56 < upgrdman> i'll just have to add this adc to my next order... http://components.arrow.com/part/detail/49904901S8954415N2415
2015-09-04T08:49:22 < jpa-> hm, 12 bit, nice
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2015-09-04T08:51:36 < upgrdman> dat price tho
2015-09-04T08:52:14 < jpa-> meh, Tectu will pay for it
2015-09-04T08:53:00 < upgrdman> sweet
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2015-09-04T08:55:28 < timemob> suuup
2015-09-04T08:55:37 < jpa-> failing flashes
2015-09-04T08:55:59 < jpa-> something breaks these flash chips on the field so that they won't erase nor program correctly anymore
2015-09-04T08:56:50 < timemob> cosmic rays
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2015-09-04T08:58:24 < jpa-> too many devices to be that
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2015-09-04T10:17:24 < GargantuaSauce> unless they're all in orbit around jupiter
2015-09-04T10:17:58 < jpa-> ah crap, missed that
2015-09-04T10:18:16 < jpa-> nope, checked, they are on earth
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2015-09-04T11:24:18 < Taxman> jpa-: This atmel flashes again?
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2015-09-04T11:36:18 < jpa-> Taxman: yeah, still
2015-09-04T11:36:34 < jpa-> now we finally noticed that half of them are not just corrupted but permanently damaged
2015-09-04T11:37:12 < jpa-> also noticed that cutting the power in middle of write causes corruption all over the flash, not just on affected pages; but there aren't enough blackouts to explain the incidence of the problems
2015-09-04T11:38:56 < Taxman> hmm
2015-09-04T11:39:11 < Taxman> how many write cycles did they have?
2015-09-04T11:41:08 < jpa-> i do not know, but should be in the few thousands
2015-09-04T11:41:29 < Taxman> a few thousands for flash? this is too much
2015-09-04T11:41:32 < jpa-> with 100000 specified and they break at around 2 million in our tests
2015-09-04T11:42:16 < Taxman> yes
2015-09-04T11:42:42 < jpa-> also the permanent damage occurs all over the flash, while the FAT table (yes, this thing runs FAT on non-wear-levelled flash) should receive a lot more writes
2015-09-04T11:42:58 < jpa-> so seems more like damage to the internal voltage pump or similar common circuits
2015-09-04T11:43:05 < Taxman> 100000 means 100000 but not together with the specified storage time
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2015-09-04T11:43:45 < jpa-> do you know what is the part of flash that wears out?
2015-09-04T11:44:22 < Taxman> usually the damaged SiO2 where the breakthrough occurs
2015-09-04T11:44:57 < jpa-> so should be localized to specific bits?
2015-09-04T11:45:53 < Taxman> yes, bits that lose soon their programmed state and start to toggle
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2015-09-04T13:13:29 < qyx_> jpa-: how did you manage to put FAT on a flash memory without FTL?
2015-09-04T13:13:59 < qyx_> or it does have FTL, just not with wear levelling?
2015-09-04T13:14:19 < jpa-> it's this funny thing called "atmel dataflash"
2015-09-04T13:14:26 < jpa-> somehow it manages to erase in 256 byte pages
2015-09-04T13:14:32 < qyx_> mhm
2015-09-04T13:14:36 < jpa-> AT45DB041D
2015-09-04T13:14:51 < qyx_> yep, i have some but never tried them
2015-09-04T13:15:45 < jpa-> going to overvolt some chips next
2015-09-04T13:15:53 < jpa-> to see if i can get them to break in the same way
2015-09-04T13:19:12 < trepidacious> Is it NOR or NAND flash?
2015-09-04T13:23:53 < jpa-> no idea
2015-09-04T13:24:02 < jpa-> i think somewhere between EEPROM and NOR
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2015-09-04T13:41:52 < Taxman> jpa-: What about giving another vendor's flash a try?
2015-09-04T13:42:49 < jpa-> well, situation is more like there are 100 000 of these devices on the field and they are failing now, 5 years after manufacture :)
2015-09-04T13:43:04 < jpa-> it may come to switching the flash chip for another spi flash
2015-09-04T13:43:57 < Taxman> what is your goal? Assessing how many will fail, too? or a software workaround to minimize trouble?
2015-09-04T13:52:53 < jpa-> well, my first goal is to explain to customer how it is not our fault, of course
2015-09-04T13:53:10 < jpa-> after that if a simple to make software or hardware modification is possible, that would be cool
2015-09-04T13:53:34 < jpa-> if such mod is not possible, it's just "tough luck" and the lawyers will work out who pays and what
2015-09-04T13:54:24 < jpa-> but currently our best theory is just that "these are crappy chips" and no way to prove it
2015-09-04T13:55:46 < BrainDamage> did the devices have unexpired warranty period?
2015-09-04T13:55:53 < Taxman> how long does it need to bring one to fail in laboratory?
2015-09-04T13:57:26 < jpa-> Taxman: so far haven't managed.. failure rate is 1-2% so far on the field and they have been there for 5 years
2015-09-04T13:57:43 < jpa-> BrainDamage: no, not really; but if it is a design fault or software fault, we may have some responsibility
2015-09-04T13:58:00 < jpa-> BrainDamage: if it is the flash manufacturer's fault, probably not our problem
2015-09-04T13:58:57 < jpa-> (our client is the manufacturer of the devices, we are just a design house)
2015-09-04T14:00:17 < Taxman> this is a disgusting problem
2015-09-04T14:01:43 < trepidacious> jpa-: NOR flash is normally pretty reliable, we use spansion nor flash or something similar and we've not had any problems (touch wood)
2015-09-04T14:03:29 < trepidacious> jpa-: Mind you I think we're only just coming up for 5 years ;(
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2015-09-04T14:47:35 < Laurenceb> http://streamable.com/a0hq
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2015-09-04T15:08:20 < Steffanx> hah yeah karlp. It's a shame.
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2015-09-04T15:43:57 < karlp> years of dirty play finally caught up with you :)
2015-09-04T15:45:25 < ReadError> so fake
2015-09-04T15:45:33 < ReadError> Laurenceb
2015-09-04T15:45:45 < ReadError> that guy could never be a newman
2015-09-04T15:45:47 < ReadError> newsman*
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2015-09-04T16:00:46 < Steffanx> lol karlp. They just deserved it. That suck lately. You even watched it?
2015-09-04T16:02:01 < karlp> of course.
2015-09-04T16:02:28 < karlp> we've never even qualified for EM/HM before.
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2015-09-04T16:17:46 < Steffanx> Funny fact: 1% of the entire population of iceland was in dutchland yesterday karlp :)
2015-09-04T16:20:07 < kakimir> 1% ?
2015-09-04T16:20:13 < kakimir> like 2000
2015-09-04T16:20:23 < Steffanx> 3000
2015-09-04T16:21:52 < kakimir> Steffanx birthday party?
2015-09-04T16:29:23 < karlp> yeah, and we only got a tiny section on the upper deck int he stands
2015-09-04T16:29:43 < karlp> was cool hearing them all louder than the dutch fans though on the tv.
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2015-09-04T16:32:12 < kakimir> guys do you know the manuf/model of these knobs? http://www.jave.de/blog2/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/front_diagonal.jpg
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2015-09-04T16:35:36 < emeb> those aren't knobs - they're banana jack binding posts
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2015-09-04T17:07:24 < chris_99> i'm wondering if someone can point me in the right direction, using the .hex file from https://github.com/iliasam/STM32F4_USB_MICROPHONE gives me a working usb mic device, i'm trying to compile the code with arm-none-eabi-gcc, using a Makefile i've found which works for another stm32f4disco project gives me an elf file
2015-09-04T17:07:38 < chris_99> but when i try gdb debugging on the target, i just get '0x20028808 in ?? ()'
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2015-09-04T17:26:21 < PaulFertser> chris_99: looks like you're running from SRAM?
2015-09-04T17:28:07 < chris_99> how do you know that? (i'm rather new to stm boards)
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2015-09-04T17:32:29 < PaulFertser> chris_99: when you build an executable you specify how to link it with a linker script file (.ld). When you run you have BOOTx options to select whether to run from Flash or from SRAM (see the datasheet).
2015-09-04T17:34:38 < chris_99> aha, gotcha
2015-09-04T17:35:31 < PaulFertser> chris_99: if you debug with gdb you're supposed to use "load" command to reflash and then usual "c" etc to debug.
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2015-09-04T17:53:49 < chris_99> woo i got it to work, i used a different .ld & .S file that were templates from ST
2015-09-04T17:57:20 < Laurenceb> lulwut http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/04/feature_4k_gaming/
2015-09-04T17:57:27 < Laurenceb> https://regmedia.co.uk/2015/08/26/overclockers_uk_infinity_vesuvius_4k_gaming_rig.jpg
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2015-09-04T19:02:22 < dongs> ohh, viewsonic 24 eh
2015-09-04T19:03:13 < dongs> cheaper than dell 4k BUT
2015-09-04T19:03:15 < dongs> whats the catch
2015-09-04T19:03:28 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IrVA1BBHFHw
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2015-09-04T19:03:49 < zyp> shitty panel?
2015-09-04T19:04:04 < dongs> "PLS" panel
2015-09-04T19:04:06 < dongs> whatever that is
2015-09-04T19:04:12 < dongs> and "LED" backligt no mention of rgb or wat
2015-09-04T19:04:30 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPS_panel#Plane_to_Line_Switching_.28PLS.29
2015-09-04T19:05:25 < zyp> 8-bit panel
2015-09-04T19:05:36 < dongs> Flicker-Free technology and a Blue Light Filter help to eliminate eye strain from extended viewing periods.
2015-09-04T19:05:53 < dongs> Light SourceWhite-light LED
2015-09-04T19:05:54 < dongs> fal
2015-09-04T19:05:55 < dongs> fail
2015-09-04T19:06:13 < zyp> well, if it's 8bit then that's natural
2015-09-04T19:06:48 < zyp> 8bit panels are all standard gamut, no?
2015-09-04T19:06:54 < dongs> sure
2015-09-04T19:07:25 < zyp> hmm, what about the dell? is that also standard gamut?
2015-09-04T19:08:37 < zyp> oh, no, that's 10bit wide gamut
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2015-09-04T19:13:27 < Taxman> LSD Backlight
2015-09-04T19:14:19 < dongs> proper dell is 10bit yeah
2015-09-04T19:14:28 < dongs> the 2517 stuff is 8bit with white backlight.
2015-09-04T19:14:43 < dongs> i have it in my other office, its not awful if its hte only display there
2015-09-04T19:14:56 < dongs> and you dont have a reference amazepanel next to it
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2015-09-04T19:17:25 < dongs> https://c3.nasa.gov/dashlink/static/media/other/ObservedFailures34.html wat is thsi
2015-09-04T19:27:35 < dongs> http://flyzano.com/walloffame/ lol
2015-09-04T19:27:46 < dongs> this is like
2015-09-04T19:27:55 < dongs> list of people who will give money for anything dumb
2015-09-04T19:28:37 < dongs> gonna print this before privacy dicks will have them remove it
2015-09-04T19:28:57 < Steffanx> No gary niger on the list -_-
2015-09-04T19:29:43 < Steffanx> A new website.. again?
2015-09-04T19:34:25 < qyx_> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/13/french-driver-200kmh-car-chase
2015-09-04T19:34:27 < qyx_> lol
2015-09-04T19:34:43 < qyx_> found somewhere on the dongs link
2015-09-04T19:36:29 < dongs> wat dongs link
2015-09-04T19:37:03 < qyx_> 18:17 < dongs> https://c3.nasa.gov/dashlink/static/media/other/ObservedFailures34.html wat is thsi
2015-09-04T19:37:11 < dongs> o
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2015-09-04T19:42:16 < zyp> haha, nice
2015-09-04T19:47:15 < Laurenceb> zyp: you are a usb expert right?
2015-09-04T19:48:07 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/10397282
2015-09-04T19:48:13 < Laurenceb> thats bad right?
2015-09-04T19:48:51 < Steffanx> No that's what should happen
2015-09-04T19:50:18 < Laurenceb> lul
2015-09-04T19:50:30 < Laurenceb> thats a GoPro 3 :P
2015-09-04T19:50:50 < Laurenceb> I think the USB support is non-existent
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2015-09-04T19:51:47 < Laurenceb> bbl
2015-09-04T19:56:11 < upgrdman_> looking at some cap datasheet. what is a "ripple current multiplier"? is that that uF * multiplier = max rated ripple amps?
2015-09-04T19:58:56 < upgrdman_> nevermind
2015-09-04T19:59:05 < upgrdman_> found a big ass chart a few pages down
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2015-09-04T21:08:31 < zyp> Laurenceb, idk, looks like you ripped out the cable with the filesystem mounted or something
2015-09-04T21:09:00 < zyp> since the call trace goes down to a hub-signalled disconnect event
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2015-09-04T21:45:41 < yan_> hey, anyone here have projects that log sensor data to flash? are you using a file system or just writing raw sectors?
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2015-09-04T21:53:31 < zyp> I think I'd want external memory for logging data
2015-09-04T21:55:09 < yan_> zyp: i am using external SPI flash
2015-09-04T21:55:37 < yan_> i'm just wondering what the best way to organize data is.. don't want to import a full fs implementation, even as simple as fat12, just to store events of sensor data
2015-09-04T21:55:41 < yan_> and config settings
2015-09-04T21:57:15 < zyp> eh, if it's fixed on the board, there's no point in conforming to something that can be read on a different system either
2015-09-04T21:57:37 < jpa-> yeah
2015-09-04T21:57:52 < jpa-> especially if you can use custom protocol to read instead of usb msc or similar
2015-09-04T21:57:56 < zyp> so just do whatever fits your application and the memory write pattern
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2015-09-04T22:09:46 < yan_> yep, that's what i'm thinking too. going to reserve a few sectors for indexing/toc and dump the rest
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2015-09-04T22:55:53 < mtbg> http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/kopteri.gif
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2015-09-04T22:57:47 < kakimir> does it service any purpose to have too many propellers?
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2015-09-04T23:13:13 < Steffanx> Of course kakimir. With too few it wouldn't fly.
2015-09-04T23:13:29 < Steffanx> ( assuming the size is not changed )
2015-09-04T23:13:38 < kakimir> of course it is
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2015-09-05T00:20:22 < kakimir> I have this dementia I instantly forgot what I was about when I open the browser for it
2015-09-05T00:20:54 < kakimir> *forget
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2015-09-05T00:55:51 < upgrdman_> damn it. sometimes i feel so dumb. was trying to empty a Queue with "for(int i = 0; i < queue.size(); i++)..." and wondered why it would never empty the queue. lol.
2015-09-05T00:56:23 < upgrdman_> in case it isn't obvious, queue.size() changes as you empty the queue, so the loop would end prematurely.
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2015-09-05T01:23:52 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxvJcPToXb0 and his rockets :D
2015-09-05T01:24:03 < Steffanx> *R2COM and his rockets
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2015-09-05T01:26:34 < upgrdman_> nice
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2015-09-05T01:44:17 < karlp> oops, irssi segfault, thatð's new
2015-09-05T01:45:10 < Sync_> it happensâ„¢
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2015-09-05T01:49:21 < karlp> but but but but how will I see upgrdman's gore gifs?!
2015-09-05T01:59:40 < Steffanx> You wont.
2015-09-05T02:03:11 < upgrdman__> oh the horror
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2015-09-05T02:20:04 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/IRyWYQk
2015-09-05T02:29:56 < Steffanx> what is it mr Laurenceb__?
2015-09-05T02:30:17 < Laurenceb__> new rockoon spin system
2015-09-05T02:30:23 < Laurenceb__> I went full pyro
2015-09-05T02:33:54 < Steffanx> why is in slomotion and why is the stuff still hanging on the lines there?
2015-09-05T02:34:02 < Steffanx> *clothes
2015-09-05T02:35:09 < Laurenceb__> 1) cuz its fast 2) cuz im lazy
2015-09-05T02:35:55 < Steffanx> cuz now you can wash them again because stinky smoke :P
2015-09-05T02:36:28 < Laurenceb__> its just cloths for washing dishes
2015-09-05T02:38:19 < upgrdman> r2com doing some fancy driving:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voZkwfS5ZGM
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2015-09-05T02:40:18 < kakimir> Steffanx: explain
2015-09-05T02:40:21 < kakimir> video
2015-09-05T02:40:52 < Steffanx> You mean the coke rockets kakimir?
2015-09-05T02:41:07 < kakimir> coke + butane
2015-09-05T02:41:32 < Sync_> note coke + n2o?
2015-09-05T02:41:50 < kakimir> oh
2015-09-05T02:42:38 < Sync_> -e
2015-09-05T02:43:09 < kakimir> they used to sell n2o from vans in here like crazy for 2years or so
2015-09-05T02:43:28 < Steffanx> when they have the bottle up you can see the liquid gas "floating" on the coke kakimir
2015-09-05T02:43:32 < upgrdman> n2o == laughing gas?
2015-09-05T02:43:35 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-05T02:43:52 < Steffanx> i guess when they turn the bottle around the it warms up faster, expands and ... "explodes"
2015-09-05T02:43:56 < kakimir> streets floaded empty bottles
2015-09-05T02:44:01 < kakimir> those little ones
2015-09-05T02:47:19 < Sync_> the ones for the whipped cream things?
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2015-09-05T02:50:39 < kakimir> those
2015-09-05T02:51:08 < Sync_> yeah
2015-09-05T02:51:15 < Sync_> they were popular a few years ago here
2015-09-05T02:51:41 < Steffanx>  to get high?
2015-09-05T02:53:06 < Sync_> yeah
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2015-09-05T03:04:16 < hjf> i have a problem with a STM32F405 board. at 3.3V it doesn't seem to work (some blinker program, CPU runs at 168MHz)
2015-09-05T03:04:29 < hjf> but at 3.2V... it works
2015-09-05T03:04:52 < kakimir> Sync_: where exactly?
2015-09-05T03:05:18 < hjf> i noticed this because it has a LM2596 regulator for 5V and a AMS1117 for 3.3V
2015-09-05T03:05:30 < hjf> when the program doesn't run (3.3V) it draws about 42mA
2015-09-05T03:05:38 < hjf> when the program runs (3.2V), it draws about 150mA
2015-09-05T03:06:42 < Sync_> germany kakimir
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2015-09-05T03:27:20 < kakimir> interesting how mobilephones require a pile of activelly voltage controlled regulators
2015-09-05T03:27:59 < kakimir> for radios
2015-09-05T03:28:58 < kakimir> I wonder if those mobile phone parts would be utilized in other uses
2015-09-05T03:30:20 < kakimir> as everything made for mobile phones is made in millions of units
2015-09-05T03:31:02 < upgrdman> hjf, weird. anything else powered by the 3v3 rail?
2015-09-05T03:33:50 < Sync_> unlikely kakimir
2015-09-05T03:34:03 < Sync_> as they are so highly integrated
2015-09-05T03:35:05 < kakimir> what they need 4channel active ldos for in radios?
2015-09-05T03:35:20 < ds2> what's an active LDO?
2015-09-05T03:35:36 < kakimir> controlled voltage
2015-09-05T03:37:56 < kakimir> they have 4 tx streams that they cut as low as possible with those ldos?
2015-09-05T03:41:49 < PeterM> i thought a lot of mobilephone stuff was super integrated, like the SoCs had integrated, digitally controlled switching supplies
2015-09-05T03:44:33 < kakimir> isn't there like single chip solutions already
2015-09-05T03:46:36 < kakimir> add some passives and done
2015-09-05T03:50:52 < PeterM> yes and no, like the SoC will probably need like 1.2v,1.5v,1.8v, and it will have regulators for those built in, then oyu have like chargepumps for the flashes and boost converters for the display backlights, some LDOs for the audio and stuff, then another set of supplies for all the rf stuff, though i think all the RF stuff is handled by a signle regulator though
2015-09-05T03:58:01 < kakimir> I have misunderstood these controlable regulators
2015-09-05T03:58:33 < kakimir> these are for whole set of peripherals
2015-09-05T03:59:49 < kakimir> http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/power/switching-regulators/MAX77826.html
2015-09-05T04:00:24 < kakimir> 15 controlable ldos isn't that sweet?
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2015-09-05T05:25:50 < hjf> upgrdman: also in that 3.3V rail an ENC28J60
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2015-09-05T05:27:33 < Yoduza> can i program cortex-m3 mcu with usbasp ?
2015-09-05T05:30:33 < kakimir> no
2015-09-05T05:31:14 < kakimir> usb-uart - yes
2015-09-05T05:32:23 < Yoduza> usb-uart . Flash or only EEPROM ?
2015-09-05T05:32:52 < kakimir> flash
2015-09-05T05:34:09 < kakimir> check your chip datasheet for "isp - in system programming"
2015-09-05T05:34:19 < Yoduza> ok. usb-uart on chip pl2303hx is ok ?
2015-09-05T05:35:15 < kakimir> better try it
2015-09-05T05:35:39 < Yoduza> USB - TTL is a main. Ok.
2015-09-05T05:37:07 < kakimir> yes TTL
2015-09-05T05:37:54 < kakimir> 3.3volts
2015-09-05T05:38:00 < Yoduza> I know
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2015-09-05T05:42:04 < Yoduza> is max3232 3.3volts ?
2015-09-05T05:42:18 < kakimir> program called "flashmagic" does the job. sometimes
2015-09-05T05:42:57 < kakimir> max3232 is 3v-5v
2015-09-05T05:43:04 < Yoduza> pl2303hx - 5v only ?
2015-09-05T05:44:48 < kakimir> max3232 has no usb
2015-09-05T05:45:01 < kakimir> rs232 - TTL
2015-09-05T05:45:12 < Yoduza> http://img19.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/56/44/91/70/5644917005
2015-09-05T05:46:40 < Yoduza> 5v from usb 3v to rs232 ?
2015-09-05T05:49:29 < kakimir> max3232 has no usb and has no voltage regulator
2015-09-05T05:49:33 < upgrdman> yay. i just innovated a SEPIC converter, and it worked on the first try.    http://www.farrellf.com/temp/sepic_converter_revA.jpg
2015-09-05T05:50:08 < kakimir> http://pdfserv.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX3222-MAX3241.pdf
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2015-09-05T05:51:57 < kakimir> but you can connect it to serial port(if any) of your pc
2015-09-05T05:54:02 < Yoduza> so, 5v is a dangerous for cortex-m3 ? Need use only 3.3v ?
2015-09-05T05:54:53 < kakimir> some devices have 5v proof pins
2015-09-05T05:55:32 < upgrdman> not vdd
2015-09-05T05:55:34 < kakimir> but most do _not_ have
2015-09-05T05:55:42 < upgrdman> stm32 are max 3.6v vdd iirc
2015-09-05T05:55:42 < kakimir> no
2015-09-05T05:55:57 < upgrdman> some pins may be 5v tolerant, but vcc is not
2015-09-05T05:56:08 < kakimir> GPIO pins*
2015-09-05T05:56:19 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-05T05:56:47 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replace-FT232-6Pin-USB-2-0-to-TTL-UART-Module-Serial-Converter-CP2102-STC-/321546809495 there is very inexpensive solution
2015-09-05T05:57:50 < mtbg> I wonder why one would want to have +3.3 and +5V output on these converters, instead of VIO input for reference i/o voltage
2015-09-05T05:58:12 < kakimir> but I seriously recommend buying some JTAG/SWD debugger
2015-09-05T05:58:16 < mtbg> so that it could be suitable for any 1.8-5V uart
2015-09-05T05:59:08 < kakimir> because those output power?
2015-09-05T05:59:15 < Yoduza> it is bad choice http://img19.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/56/48/97/76/5648977636 ?
2015-09-05T05:59:16 < kakimir> right?
2015-09-05T06:01:01 < Yoduza> ok, JTAG/SWD debugger.
2015-09-05T06:02:39 < kakimir> Yoduza: have you chosen your cortex chip model yet?
2015-09-05T06:03:11 < Yoduza> model not yet, but cortex-m3 - 100%
2015-09-05T06:04:44 < kakimir> all debuggers do not have support for all chips
2015-09-05T06:06:44 < kakimir> if you use stm32 then some st-link st-link/v2 is very good option
2015-09-05T06:06:54 < kakimir> inexpensive
2015-09-05T06:07:47 < Yoduza> i think i'll buy st-link/v2
2015-09-05T06:08:12 < kakimir> http://openocd.org/doc/html/Debug-Adapter-Hardware.html
2015-09-05T06:08:14 < Yoduza> because st-link tool for program/debug
2015-09-05T06:08:52 < kakimir> openocd has alternative software for debuggers
2015-09-05T06:09:13 < kakimir> sleep time>
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2015-09-05T09:33:20 < qyx_> upgrdman: sepic without a stm32?
2015-09-05T09:33:28 < qyx_> how dare you
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2015-09-05T09:39:09 < Yoduza> can i upload sketch from Maple IDE via ST-LINK / V2 to Cortex-m3 mcu ?
2015-09-05T09:41:41 < qyx_> aha, never mind, stm32 spotted
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2015-09-05T10:08:00 < PaulFertser> Yoduza: when buying an stlink clone, beware: they have a non-functional reset and you need to find patched firmware for that.
2015-09-05T10:09:27 < Yoduza> $2.13 ST-LINK on aliexpress. Is it clone ?
2015-09-05T10:10:01 < PaulFertser> Yoduza: see http://sourceforge.net/p/openocd/tickets/83/ it has a link to pastebin.
2015-09-05T10:10:30 < PaulFertser> R2COM: if you're interested, I know of these developments:
2015-09-05T10:13:12 < PaulFertser> R2COM: Milandr produces a range of Cortex-M3 and Cortex-M1-based microcontrollers. MCST produces hybrid DSP+ARM11 powerful SoCs. "Baikal" is developing some modern SoCs. Multiclet is advancing their own highly-parallel architecture. NIIET has a family of Cortex-M4-based micorcontrollers (NT32M4F1).
2015-09-05T10:13:57 < PaulFertser> I'm not involved in any of these.
2015-09-05T10:14:32 < PaulFertser> And in the long run I think Russia is going to fail very very hard...
2015-09-05T10:14:44 < Yoduza> ARM7 start from $5 per chip on aliexpress, Lol
2015-09-05T10:15:19 < PeterM> important question: how long until i can buy them on digikey?
2015-09-05T10:15:34 < PaulFertser> I'm afraid that's not our case. Russian people seem to be uninterested in going forward.
2015-09-05T10:17:04 < PaulFertser> PeterM: some of the stuff is available on local market. For some purposes (certain military equipment) you're not even allowed to use anything but those items I mentioned.
2015-09-05T10:17:30 < Yoduza> what is that monstr ESP8266 ?
2015-09-05T10:19:33 < PaulFertser> R2COM: the problem with working with military here is that it's often really underpaid and ridiculously silly at the same time. I.e. it's like they're developing something relatively cool and modern but have to put up with constant everyday brain fucking with lousy job conditions.
2015-09-05T10:20:27 < Yoduza> go on #politics with this thema
2015-09-05T10:20:41 < Yoduza> this is place for right humans
2015-09-05T10:20:48 < PaulFertser> R2COM: our factory is producing some high-end mil stuff, so I know what I'm talking about. Also, they're mostly using Xilinx FPGAs with PPC cores in metal-ceramic packages, not really custom stuff.
2015-09-05T10:21:16 < PaulFertser> Yoduza: you do not tell me where to go, ok?
2015-09-05T10:21:45 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I'm just telling you why I'm not involved with MCST or some such.
2015-09-05T10:22:08 < PaulFertser> I have an impression what I describe is applicable to most of our high-tech mil-oriented companies.
2015-09-05T10:22:23 < PaulFertser> I know one guy working in mcst.
2015-09-05T10:22:40 < PaulFertser> I do
2015-09-05T10:22:56 < Yoduza> my chief brother is top manager in xilinx. So?
2015-09-05T10:23:50 < jpa-> is this a contest?
2015-09-05T10:24:15 < PeterM> NIIET  seems to just clone western stuff
2015-09-05T10:24:20 < PaulFertser> R2COM: were you living here, I'm sure you'd be of big benefit to our industry, no kidding. You've just the right attitude plus plenty of required skills.
2015-09-05T10:25:07 < PeterM> or is their website just... not maintained?
2015-09-05T10:25:31 < PaulFertser> Haha, reminds me of cardinality, trans-finite induction etc.
2015-09-05T10:26:44 < PaulFertser> PeterM: well, if one wants to use stm32 but needs to go beyond -40C common industrial temperature grade, what would he do?
2015-09-05T10:28:03 < PaulFertser> R2COM: what I know is that RTI (Mints' institute) is having difficulties hiring and keeping good developers.
2015-09-05T10:28:23 < PaulFertser> Of course, AK-47 is long deprecated, you know it much better than me.
2015-09-05T10:29:06 < PeterM> PaulFertser, cry themselves to sleep
2015-09-05T10:29:24 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I mean there's AKS-74U etc.
2015-09-05T10:29:54 < PaulFertser> PeterM: wrong, they just go to milandr or niiet and get similar functionality in a package that allows -50C.
2015-09-05T10:30:43 < PeterM> NIIET don't seem to have any 32bit on theri website, or is it not maintained, as i asked?
2015-09-05T10:31:04 < PeterM> or is this contact sales only
2015-09-05T10:31:29 < PaulFertser> PeterM: I judge by http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/2658/
2015-09-05T10:31:33 < PeterM> Milandr MDR32F9Qx looks nice though
2015-09-05T10:32:23 < PaulFertser> All of them do not care about EN translations of their websites, that's true.
2015-09-05T10:32:31 < GargantuaSauce> wouldn't be hard to have a small insulated heated chamber also to keep it from ever hitting <-40
2015-09-05T10:33:06 < GargantuaSauce> definitely
2015-09-05T10:33:27 < GargantuaSauce> also are there even battery chemistries that work past that?
2015-09-05T10:34:06 < PeterM> GargantuaSauce, many, just limited capacity or internal resistance
2015-09-05T10:34:17 < PeterM> well, ionic resistance rather
2015-09-05T10:35:05 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I talked to some managers at RKK "Energy" recently. They're trying to recruit C-grade students to work for them. When asked a direct question, I got an explanation that an A-grade person would certainly not be willing to stay there for longer than two years.
2015-09-05T10:35:39 < PaulFertser> I mean skills, talent and attitude.
2015-09-05T10:35:44 < PaulFertser> Not real grades.
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2015-09-05T10:40:01 < PaulFertser> Nope, not dead. What military folks do right is that they have strict QA requirements plus enormous redudancy that commercial companies can rarely afford. So they get the desired results even with low-quality components, software, developers and support.
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2015-09-05T10:42:07 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I do not need anybody to value my skills. I have a more direct way to evaluate it: by practical results.
2015-09-05T10:44:22 < PaulFertser> R2COM: nope, I have full schematics, installation manuals and ssh access to "testing firmware".
2015-09-05T10:44:37 < PaulFertser> R2COM: and I also talk to developers who implement it.
2015-09-05T10:45:45 < PaulFertser> When a person writes several programs that should run on a multi-tasking OS and each will take 100% CPU time, that tells a lot to me. When they provide totally unmaintainable basic-style buggy Python GUIs to test their equipment, that's not a good sign either.
2015-09-05T10:46:38 < PaulFertser> RTI Mints
2015-09-05T10:47:19 < PaulFertser> Who are the real stars here?
2015-09-05T10:47:27 < PaulFertser> (i mean here in russia)
2015-09-05T10:48:01 < PaulFertser> I wished I could show you that (de)motivational recruiting video from RKK Energy... I was honestly shocked.
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2015-09-05T10:50:46 < PaulFertser> R2COM: would be really interesting to know what you'd be saying if you were working in russia these days...
2015-09-05T10:51:26 < PaulFertser> Not even around. I'm trying to keep as far as possible from all the mil stuff.
2015-09-05T10:52:09 < PaulFertser> I wished to be farther.
2015-09-05T10:53:06 < PaulFertser> R2COM: are you trying to mock me just because I do not like mil equipment and related mindset or is there another reason?
2015-09-05T10:54:06 < PaulFertser> I think I can too, why not?
2015-09-05T10:55:37 < PaulFertser> With recent "advances" in world perception of local population I'm more and more likely to do that, indeed.
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2015-09-05T10:56:40 < PaulFertser> I like free software and there's more demand for that in other countries than in russia.
2015-09-05T10:58:36 < PaulFertser> You had your reasons to leave. I still have some reasons to stay. But you can bet it's not lack of skills.
2015-09-05T10:59:35 < PaulFertser> Granted, you're 100x more skilled in EE than me. But I have some interesting experience in practical software development. That's more than enough to get by anywhere in the "civilised" word.
2015-09-05T11:03:45 < PaulFertser> I'm also biased against any military, and I want all of them to fail, so of course I'm not fair. But when it comes to the facts, I say no lies, just what I see myself. I agree I'm seeig just a small part of the picture. If you know happy people who work on S-400, great, you see another part and it looks better, I'm in no position to question that.
2015-09-05T11:04:55 < Fleck> what? st mcu finder android app not compatible with android 5.1? :D lol
2015-09-05T11:10:31 < PaulFertser> It's interesting how a talk started with Elbrus and ended with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD .
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2015-09-05T11:21:32 < PaulFertser> I do not think my words imply that and I do not think I'd be in favour of surrending to nazis.
2015-09-05T11:23:39 < PaulFertser> Also, history knows no "if's". And I live in the present.
2015-09-05T11:25:04 < PaulFertser> You might be right.
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2015-09-05T13:02:00 < Yoduza> what ESP8266 cost only $5 and better then Cortex-M3 as bigger as 100x times. Lol
2015-09-05T13:05:45 < Laurenceb__> it has pretty lame peripherals and fairly poor sleep modes
2015-09-05T13:10:31 < Yoduza> for calculations its best choice. 96KB data ram, 64KB code ram
2015-09-05T13:10:31 < PeterM> Yoduza, what core does it use? 8051? 6502?
2015-09-05T13:11:21 < Yoduza> PeterM, https://github.com/esp8266/esp8266-wiki/wiki
2015-09-05T13:11:30 < Yoduza> RISC
2015-09-05T13:11:50 < PeterM> RISC isn't a core...
2015-09-05T13:12:35 < Yoduza> The core is a 106micro Diamond Standard core (LX3) made by Tensilica
2015-09-05T13:14:21 < Yoduza> so, now $5 for Cortex-M3 not good idea :D
2015-09-05T13:14:23 < PeterM> is there mainstream support for  that core in other micros?
2015-09-05T13:14:46 < Yoduza> WIFI in there is chip include as a core !!!
2015-09-05T13:15:03 < Yoduza> not fucking SPI,I2C and other shits
2015-09-05T13:15:46 < Yoduza> USB mini on devboard.
2015-09-05T13:15:56 < Yoduza> Cortex-M3 dead :D
2015-09-05T13:16:18 < Yoduza> i think M7 and M9 also dead :D
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2015-09-05T13:17:50 < PeterM> how are the peripherals on the esp8266? i hear they are pretty average, and it has only a few GPIOs, and what if you want it in a package otehr than QFN? ]\
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2015-09-05T13:18:15 < Laurenceb__> ADC looks sucky
2015-09-05T13:18:21 < Yoduza> peripherals via WIFI, PeterM
2015-09-05T13:19:38 < PeterM> wut
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2015-09-05T13:20:18 < Yoduza> PeterM #esp8266
2015-09-05T13:20:38 < PeterM> Yoduza, #no
2015-09-05T13:21:26 < Yoduza> peripherals you mean plow horses, cows, sheep? :D
2015-09-05T13:28:06 < Yoduza> sorry guy, you are all not interesting more with your dead channel with dead chips.. ;) GOOD BY!
2015-09-05T13:28:41 < Yoduza> *guys
2015-09-05T13:28:51 < Yoduza> by by forever ... :D
2015-09-05T13:29:25 < Yoduza> only $0.01 per M7 now :D
2015-09-05T13:29:31 < Yoduza> by by..
2015-09-05T13:30:11 < dos_fan]> bye*
2015-09-05T13:30:22 < Laurenceb__> dont let the door hit you on the way out
2015-09-05T13:30:46 < Yoduza> happy SPI,I2C and other shits, dos_fan]
2015-09-05T13:30:50 < Yoduza> ..
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2015-09-05T13:31:08 < dos_fan]> wtf
2015-09-05T13:33:08 < Laurenceb__> obvious troll is obvious
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2015-09-05T13:37:29 < mtbg> so he is going to mine on esp8266 network now?
2015-09-05T13:43:16 < Laurenceb__> bitcoin mining with esp8266?
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2015-09-05T13:49:09 < PeterM> idgaf, hopefully necks himself
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2015-09-05T15:04:41 < Steffanx> lol, that was the guy with his 100 atmega's not?
2015-09-05T15:06:45 < ReadError> <Yoduza> what ESP8266 cost only $5 and better then Cortex-M3 as bigger as 100x times. Lol
2015-09-05T15:06:48 < ReadError> what does that even mean??
2015-09-05T15:06:56 < ReadError> as bigger as 100x times
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2015-09-05T15:13:51 < Steffanx> 100x times "better" i guess
2015-09-05T15:13:56 < Steffanx> -x
2015-09-05T15:13:59 < Steffanx> lol
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2015-09-05T15:53:45 < dongs> is yoduza same fuckwad from ukraine or something who was advertising some retarded url with cheap FPGAs
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2015-09-05T16:18:28 < Sync_> correkt dongs
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2015-09-05T16:22:02 < mtbg> what fpgas?
2015-09-05T16:36:53 < dongs> err
2015-09-05T16:36:57 < dongs> i need a zano-class project
2015-09-05T16:37:13 < dongs> some camera module w/jpeg on it interfaced to F103
2015-09-05T16:37:38 < dongs> those jpeg>uart things are to oexpensive
2015-09-05T16:37:43 < dongs> dont wanna spend >$10 on total thing
2015-09-05T16:41:44 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-1PCS-LOT-OV5640-sensor-module-5M-AF-camera-module-New-and-original/32442580790.html hm too much
2015-09-05T16:43:12 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/OV3640-module-300-million-pixels/653824078.html thats better
2015-09-05T16:47:44 < dongs> HDF3640 looks like will do
2015-09-05T16:48:01 < dongs> some common chinkish shit
2015-09-05T16:48:38 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-actual-capacity-stainless-steel-metal-usb-flash-drive-0000-512GB/32440391071.html
2015-09-05T16:48:39 < ReadError> 'wat'
2015-09-05T16:48:46 < dongs> lole
2015-09-05T16:48:54 < dongs> it has a
2015-09-05T16:48:57 < dongs> '512gb' written on it
2015-09-05T16:48:59 < dongs> the rest is just solid metal
2015-09-05T16:55:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/bTs3fgj.jpg
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2015-09-05T17:02:48 < dongs> If you are referring to video from ZANO's standpoint, i would think the reason for this is due to the current quality that can be retreived from the device (it will improve, it just needs to be programmed. As for video of it flying... There is some video available on KS updates but there isn't much.
2015-09-05T17:05:00 < Steffanx> Thank you for the update.
2015-09-05T17:05:08 < Steffanx> I missed this the days you weren't around :P
2015-09-05T17:05:48 < mtbg> they claim to shipped a few units yesterday btw
2015-09-05T17:06:50 < emeb> Steffanx: so sarcastic
2015-09-05T17:07:26 < Steffanx> Yes and no emeb. I can't figure out if it was meant sarcastic or if i really miss it  :D
2015-09-05T17:07:33 < Steffanx> *missed
2015-09-05T17:08:13 < emeb> I suppose the "missing" something doesn't necessarily mean you're glad when it comes back.
2015-09-05T17:08:23 < dongs> oh, im sure he's glad.
2015-09-05T17:08:27 < dongs> ^_-
2015-09-05T17:09:37 < emeb> built up my F746 board yesterday. USB DFU bootloader appears to work. Now I just need to write some test code. Blech - gotta use Cube crap.
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2015-09-05T17:10:27 < dongs> 746 is the one with mipi-dsi?
2015-09-05T17:10:46 < dongs> o no just regular f7 on disco
2015-09-05T17:11:04 < dongs> i think thats the board that doesnt work
2015-09-05T17:11:06 < dongs> on my desk
2015-09-05T17:11:24 < emeb> this isn't disco - my own design.
2015-09-05T17:11:34 < dongs> i know, cuz y ou dont do bga
2015-09-05T17:11:49 < emeb> "don't touch it - it's EEEEVIIILLLLL"
2015-09-05T17:12:40 < emeb> Future was selling the 100-pin parts for $10 so I picked up a few
2015-09-05T17:13:02 < emeb> don't think that price will last.
2015-09-05T17:14:39 < Steffanx> Very unlikely as digikey has them for $16+
2015-09-05T17:15:39 < Steffanx> ( according to jpa's STM32 price comparomatic )
2015-09-05T17:16:43 < qyx_> http://www.off-grid-europe.com/hoppecke-26-opzs-solar-power-4700-2v
2015-09-05T17:16:45 < qyx_> such battery
2015-09-05T17:17:03 < qyx_> very Ah
2015-09-05T17:17:13 < dongs> err wat
2015-09-05T17:17:18 < emeb> 2V?
2015-09-05T17:17:25 < dongs> lul they accept buttcoin
2015-09-05T17:17:31 < dongs> legit shop 4 sure
2015-09-05T17:17:37 < qyx_> yep, single cell lead acid
2015-09-05T17:17:42 < emeb> Dunning-Krugerrands
2015-09-05T17:18:40 < dongs> i wonder if i can ghetto 8bit parallel thing on F103 without DCMI
2015-09-05T17:18:59 < dongs> gpio dma or something
2015-09-05T17:19:03 < emeb> why not?
2015-09-05T17:19:17 < dongs> have to solve the zano problem of image being bigger than ram
2015-09-05T17:19:19 < Steffanx> Sure you can dongs. qyx_ has an example on his website.
2015-09-05T17:19:24 < qyx_> dongs: been there, done that
2015-09-05T17:19:26 < Steffanx> For chibios, but .. should be easy to port
2015-09-05T17:19:30 < dongs> o yea?
2015-09-05T17:19:40 < qyx_> http://qyx.krtko.org/projects/ov2640_stm32/
2015-09-05T17:19:42 < dongs> linky to opensauce
2015-09-05T17:19:54 < dongs> oo, hax
2015-09-05T17:20:22 < dongs> qyx_: tl;dr, can you pull image from camera slowly if you just need a still shot?
2015-09-05T17:21:01 < qyx_> i was doing jpeg only
2015-09-05T17:21:05 < dongs> right, jpeg
2015-09-05T17:21:09 < dongs> but f103 only has 20k ram
2015-09-05T17:21:18 < dongs> were you loading entire image at once?
2015-09-05T17:21:23 < qyx_> yep
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2015-09-05T17:21:27 < dongs> hmm.
2015-09-05T17:21:29 < qyx_> ~50K
2015-09-05T17:21:35 < qyx_> for 1024x768 or so
2015-09-05T17:21:39 < dongs> rite
2015-09-05T17:21:40 < dongs> hmm.
2015-09-05T17:21:55 < qyx_> but iirc it has streaming jpeg encoder
2015-09-05T17:21:59 < qyx_> no buffer inside
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2015-09-05T17:22:17 < qyx_> so probably you would have your picture blurred
2015-09-05T17:24:12 < dongs> hm maybe i can use the 96k stm32 clone chip
2015-09-05T17:24:24 < dongs> 96k ram
2015-09-05T17:24:33 < emeb> qyx_: top-level link to hfsdr stuff is 404 kaboom!
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2015-09-05T17:24:55 < dongs> probably commercialized
2015-09-05T17:24:59 < dongs> and hidden  from opensauce eyes
2015-09-05T17:25:03 < qyx_> not done yet :/
2015-09-05T17:25:13 < qyx_> except the schematic & 1/2 layout
2015-09-05T17:25:17 < emeb> qyx_: sadness
2015-09-05T17:25:50  * emeb waits with interest
2015-09-05T17:26:25 < qyx_> no github activity from April
2015-09-05T17:26:37 < dongs> if you have some space to store your frames which is fast enough (ie. it can save the frame faster than the camera outputs it), you can use small SRAM buffer and use DMA circular mode. In this case you need to signal the semaphore on half transfer and transfer complete interrupt and process both buffer halves continuously.
2015-09-05T17:26:49 < qyx_> wat
2015-09-05T17:26:55 < dongs> .. in your page
2015-09-05T17:27:06 < qyx_> ah
2015-09-05T17:27:16 < qyx_> so probably you are right, i don't remember exactly
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2015-09-05T17:27:35 < qyx_> right = you can't process the frames slowly
2015-09-05T17:27:44 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-05T17:27:48 < dongs> hmpf
2015-09-05T17:28:22 < qyx_> how much is china-quality F401/F411?
2015-09-05T17:28:27 < dongs> too much
2015-09-05T17:28:28 < qyx_> with 64-128K
2015-09-05T17:28:37 < dongs> i think ~$5-ish
2015-09-05T17:28:41 < qyx_> meh
2015-09-05T17:28:48 < dongs> o duno about 401/411. 405 is that.
2015-09-05T17:28:51 < dongs> but if im using F4 i might as well use DCMI
2015-09-05T17:28:59 < qyx_> 405 is different
2015-09-05T17:29:00 < dongs> im trying to avoid spending >$1 on mcu
2015-09-05T17:29:06 < qyx_> 401 is 4€ even at farnell
2015-09-05T17:29:10 < dongs> o
2015-09-05T17:29:11 < dongs> hm.
2015-09-05T17:29:25 < qyx_> actually may be cheaper tnah F103
2015-09-05T17:29:39 < dongs> digikey search is failing
2015-09-05T17:29:52 < dongs> 401 is 64/96k ram
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2015-09-05T17:33:24 < dongs> hehe you 404'd the datasheet
2015-09-05T17:34:18 < qyx_> all of them
2015-09-05T17:34:23 < dongs> rght
2015-09-05T17:34:48 < dongs> Andy Wohlfarth about 1 hour ago
2015-09-05T17:34:49 < dongs> WOHOOO, we'll really get drones. IMPOSSIBLE! FANTASTIC! I almost lost faith in it
2015-09-05T17:35:09 < qyx_> https://github.com/iqyx/ov2640-stm32/tree/master/doc
2015-09-05T17:36:35 < dongs> oh, no autofocus on that one
2015-09-05T17:37:14 < qyx_> no, but quite cheap
2015-09-05T17:37:18 < qyx_> i was going to balloon it
2015-09-05T17:38:15 < chris_99> Does this not seem rather expensive - http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/STM32F407VGT6/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMv%2fbGM7XKYHK5GPPWWCIYmz as the devboard for that is only like 50p more
2015-09-05T17:39:17 < Tectu> https://i.imgur.com/9AG1Co1.gifv
2015-09-05T17:41:03 < dongs> retarded portal trash
2015-09-05T17:41:57 < dongs> looks like mh370 part really confirmed this time
2015-09-05T17:42:35 < qyx_> mhm, 4700Ah 200V battery pack will be ~160000€
2015-09-05T17:42:52 < qyx_> and it would weight 23 tons
2015-09-05T17:42:54 < dongs> how long will that power your house
2015-09-05T17:42:55 < dongs> oh
2015-09-05T17:42:57 < dongs> 23 tons
2015-09-05T17:42:58 < dongs> haha.
2015-09-05T17:46:57 < emeb> that's OK - Tesla will have the bestest batteries for $CHEAP
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2015-09-05T17:50:19 < emeb> wtf is this crap in the F7 linker script?
2015-09-05T17:50:30 < dongs> lol, linker scripts
2015-09-05T17:50:34 < dongs> sux4u
2015-09-05T17:50:37 < emeb> a bunch of tiny memories
2015-09-05T17:51:03 < emeb> MEMORY
2015-09-05T17:51:03 < emeb> {
2015-09-05T17:51:03 < emeb> FLASH (rx)       : ORIGIN = 0x08000000, LENGTH = 1024K
2015-09-05T17:51:03 < emeb> RAM (xrw)        : ORIGIN = 0x20003CC8, LENGTH = 320K
2015-09-05T17:51:03 < emeb> Memory_B1(xrw)   : ORIGIN = 0x20000000, LENGTH = 0xA0
2015-09-05T17:51:03 < emeb> Memory_B2(xrw)   : ORIGIN = 0x200000A0, LENGTH = 0xA0
2015-09-05T17:51:03 < emeb> Memory_B3(xrw)   : ORIGIN = 0x20000140, LENGTH = 0x1dc4
2015-09-05T17:51:04 < emeb> Memory_B4(xrw)   : ORIGIN = 0x20001F04, LENGTH = 0x1dc4
2015-09-05T17:51:04 < emeb> }
2015-09-05T17:51:12 < Fleck> Tectu: minecraft portals? :D
2015-09-05T17:51:16 < dongs> err
2015-09-05T17:51:23 < dongs> that looks like vector ram and shit separated into stuff
2015-09-05T17:51:34 < dongs> er wait no, vectors is in flash
2015-09-05T17:51:39 < emeb> ya
2015-09-05T17:51:51 < Tectu> Fleck, minecraft now does portals?
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2015-09-05T17:55:09 < Fleck> Tectu: there is a mod yes: https://youtu.be/A2Qeq9fpqIM?t=28
2015-09-05T17:55:39 < Tectu> oh no, they ripped of the cross hair
2015-09-05T17:55:46 < Tectu> I wonder whether they will be sued by valve
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2015-09-05T18:08:41 < dongs> gah i have to assemble some stupid old shit next week
2015-09-05T18:08:46 < dongs> bedtime
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2015-09-05T18:18:27 < Fleck> take care dongs
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2015-09-05T18:57:47 < Steffanx> is there a ugfx minecraft port yet?
2015-09-05T18:57:53 < Steffanx> If not i see a market.
2015-09-05T18:59:21 < upgrdman> qyx_, ya i used an f051 for pwm. it's that overkill servo tester thing i made, and i added a mode that allows the user to directly control the timer.
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2015-09-05T23:26:28 < kakimir> http://pcbshopper.com/ guys
2015-09-05T23:28:51 < FAalbers_> Hello , I want to develop STM32 code in UBUNTU. I have it working using straight GCC, openosd, gdb for compiling, linking and debugging. Is there a prefered IDE in UBUNTU for STM32 dev ? Is there something similar to STM32 Studio for UBUNTU ? Thank you in advance for the feedback
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2015-09-05T23:32:19 < kakimir> someone said kdevelop would be quite good for embedded develoment
2015-09-05T23:32:57 < kakimir> if you need good editor try kate
2015-09-05T23:34:14 < kakimir> you can run some suite on wine of course?
2015-09-05T23:35:26 < kakimir> I'm planning to keep working on coocox apis based projects running coide on wine
2015-09-05T23:35:52 < kakimir> *hals
2015-09-05T23:36:08 < FAalbers_> kakimir, Does kdevelop have a good debugger ?
2015-09-05T23:36:49 < FAalbers_> kakimir, What is wine if I may ask ?
2015-09-05T23:37:07 < kakimir> :|
2015-09-05T23:37:27 < kakimir> a drink
2015-09-05T23:37:45 < FAalbers_> kakimir, :P
2015-09-05T23:37:55 < kakimir> maybe all producers do not have pcb on your parameters
2015-09-05T23:38:27 < FAalbers_> kakimir, I just checked it up , a Windows allications running system for Linux.
2015-09-05T23:38:45 < kakimir> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ubuntu/ppa add this ppa and then install wine
2015-09-05T23:39:11 < FAalbers_> thanks kakimir
2015-09-05T23:39:14 < chris_99> i don't think you need a ppa for wine?
2015-09-05T23:40:33 < kakimir> chris_99: you want latest wine
2015-09-05T23:40:45 < chris_99> oh what version does that ppa give you
2015-09-05T23:40:47 < kakimir> always
2015-09-05T23:40:53 < kakimir> 1.7 something
2015-09-05T23:41:07 < chris_99> ah, i should probably use that then, i'm on 1.6
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2015-09-05T23:49:59 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://imgur.com/T3joeUS
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2015-09-06T00:09:09 < FAalbers_> kakimir, Hmm. Tried to run STMStudio_setup.exe with Wine Loader . It crashes . I guess no go on that one
2015-09-06T00:10:58 < kakimir> try it from command line
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2015-09-06T00:11:06 < kakimir> it tells you what is wrong
2015-09-06T00:11:22 < kakimir> you may lack some library pack
2015-09-06T00:11:30 < kakimir> visual runtime etc.
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2015-09-06T00:12:22 < kakimir> guys can I use altera usb blaster with openocd to debug cortex chips?
2015-09-06T00:21:07 < kakimir> just wondering
2015-09-06T00:21:18 < kakimir> I hope I never need to
2015-09-06T00:32:04 < Laurenceb__>  /join #femadeathcamp
2015-09-06T00:34:41 < FAalbers_> kakimir, I ran 'wine STMStudio_setup.exe'
2015-09-06T00:34:56 < FAalbers_> kakimir, Nothing at all happens , no message, nada.
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2015-09-06T00:36:31 < kakimir> they hate linux
2015-09-06T00:36:52 < kakimir> ;)
2015-09-06T00:37:25 < kakimir> just use lunix tools
2015-09-06T00:38:01 < FAalbers_> kakimir, for debugging you mean ?
2015-09-06T00:38:14 < FAalbers_> gdb ?
2015-09-06T00:38:44 < kakimir> something like that
2015-09-06T00:39:16 < FAalbers_> hmmm ... was so hoping for a visual sollution like STM32 Studio
2015-09-06T00:39:30 < FAalbers_> Have to reboot
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2015-09-06T01:12:43 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZXJZUS1JNE1TMFU/view?usp=sharing gets tight
2015-09-06T01:13:33 < kakimir> needs hmm some right angle sma stuff
2015-09-06T01:14:12 < kakimir> I plan to have even psu inside there
2015-09-06T01:16:22 < mitrax> kakimir: may i ask what is it?
2015-09-06T01:16:43 < kakimir> bloated triac controller
2015-09-06T01:17:18 < kakimir> for ~3 400V main ac voltages
2015-09-06T01:17:36 < mitrax> oh ok
2015-09-06T01:18:26 < mitrax> the smas got me intrigued since they're usually used for RF stuff
2015-09-06T01:18:57 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-06T01:19:15 < kakimir> it is purposelly done
2015-09-06T01:19:32 < kakimir> to upset everyone
2015-09-06T01:19:36 < mitrax> ahahaha
2015-09-06T01:22:56 < emeb> PaulFertser: ping
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2015-09-06T01:35:03 < upgrdman> damn. ~all of the inefficiency in my SEPIC converter is due to the diode. guess it's time to try synchronous.   http://www.farrellf.com/temp/sepic_converter_thermal_image.jpg
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2015-09-06T01:40:15 < kakimir> remember to use ideal diodes
2015-09-06T01:46:06 < upgrdman> *nods*
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2015-09-06T02:16:22 < kakimir> I need very high temperature thermal cutoff fuse
2015-09-06T02:16:30 < kakimir> 300celsius
2015-09-06T02:16:35 < kakimir> is there such?
2015-09-06T02:17:18 < emeb> hmmm... cycle counter on F7 doesn't seem to work
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2015-09-06T02:17:54 < PeterM> upgrdman, there is only one decent sync sepic controller and thats from LT iirc, but you could probably get some fet drivers and do it with stm
2015-09-06T02:18:16 < upgrdman> ya im doing it with stm32f0
2015-09-06T02:18:30 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/sepic_converter_revA.jpg
2015-09-06T02:18:45 < upgrdman> manually right now, but will write up a control loop if this pans out
2015-09-06T02:19:05 < PeterM> ermm...
2015-09-06T02:19:12 < PeterM> you clearly have wound 2 inductors
2015-09-06T02:19:22 < PeterM> why didnt you just put both windings on one core?
2015-09-06T02:19:41 < upgrdman> i didnt wind them :)
2015-09-06T02:19:46 < PeterM> o
2015-09-06T02:19:55 < upgrdman> they were pulled from shitty rc battery charger
2015-09-06T02:19:56 < PeterM> ugly AF toroids tehn
2015-09-06T02:20:03 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-06T02:20:06 < PeterM> ahh, 'plains it
2015-09-06T02:20:37 < upgrdman> if i was going to hand wind them, i'd use multiple strands of thinner wire. 'cause skin effect.
2015-09-06T02:20:38 < PeterM> you can use one toroid wiht 2 windings of about 1/2 the total number of turns
2015-09-06T02:20:44 < PeterM> saving on copper losses and board space
2015-09-06T02:20:49 < PeterM> i cant rememebr the phasign dots
2015-09-06T02:23:56 < PeterM> p[fet rectification on secondary is easiest ync rect, but ofc, use a schottky paralel to pfet so you avoid turning on body diode
2015-09-06T02:24:21 < upgrdman> ync?
2015-09-06T02:24:27 < upgrdman> or sync
2015-09-06T02:24:31 < upgrdman> oh*
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2015-09-06T02:37:52 < kakimir> how do I contact leads to thermal cutoff that is 270celsius
2015-09-06T02:38:15 < kakimir> cement maybe
2015-09-06T02:38:17 < upgrdman> crimp?
2015-09-06T02:38:34 < kakimir> hmm maybe
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2015-09-06T02:57:21 < FAalbers_> kakimir, Got Eclipse running for STM32 code dev and debug , seems to work fine
2015-09-06T02:57:41 < kakimir> yes
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2015-09-06T03:28:31 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/310856981714
2015-09-06T03:28:33 < dongs> retweeting
2015-09-06T03:38:54 < kakimir> better build own
2015-09-06T03:43:38 < kakimir> I wonder if it has to be stainless steel box
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2015-09-06T04:13:24 < upgrdman> R2COM, i found a playground for you:  http://ad.pictions.com/images/2015/09/05/HFteBy5.png
2015-09-06T04:13:56 < emeb_mac> got blinky lights on F7 board, but...
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2015-09-06T04:55:51 < dongs> fail
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2015-09-06T05:03:32 < emeb_mac> dongs is awake
2015-09-06T05:03:35 < dongs> yep
2015-09-06T05:04:02 < emeb_mac> lol - none of the FOSS swd tools support F7 yet.
2015-09-06T05:04:08 < dongs> ownt
2015-09-06T05:04:26 < emeb_mac> there's some patches for openocd
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2015-09-06T05:04:48 < emeb_mac> but I've been compiling, copying to winders and then using st-link util to blow.
2015-09-06T05:05:07 < emeb_mac> probably should get latest demo MDK and try that.
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2015-09-06T05:09:31 < dongs> it supports it :)
2015-09-06T05:09:36 < dongs> i saw somethin about update just recently
2015-09-06T05:09:38 < dongs> for F7.
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2015-09-06T05:10:51 < Roklobsta> given the beastliness of F7 what kernel/scheduler are you guys putting on it?
2015-09-06T05:10:59 < dongs> lunix 3.65
2015-09-06T05:12:23 < Roklobsta> dongs: yeah I was gunna ask do you do all the GCC/Ctick/CE testing?
2015-09-06T05:15:14 < dongs> nope i dont do anything
2015-09-06T05:15:25 < dongs> not prpo like zano
2015-09-06T05:15:31 < upgrdman> Dongie Certified
2015-09-06T05:15:49 < Roklobsta> yeah fuck the VCCI.
2015-09-06T05:16:12 < Roklobsta> VCCI.
2015-09-06T05:17:01 < Roklobsta> FCC want to smack down firmware upgrades on 5GHz wifi gear.
2015-09-06T05:17:22 < Roklobsta> some beaurocrat brain fart
2015-09-06T05:17:37 < dongs> Roklobsta: good, maybe it will finally kill all taht *open*dd*wrt garbage shit
2015-09-06T05:17:40 < dongs> fucking aids
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2015-09-06T05:17:59 < dongs> can you believe they have that shit basically making latest wifi-ac shit as useless bricks
2015-09-06T05:18:03 < dongs> cuz there's no opensores driver for -ac part
2015-09-06T05:18:09 < dongs> so you buy a $200 -ac router, load up aids-wrt on it
2015-09-06T05:18:09 < Roklobsta> R2COM: coz accelerometer guts are nano tech
2015-09-06T05:18:13 < dongs> and you cant even use -ac radio
2015-09-06T05:18:16 < dongs> just the 2.4g trash
2015-09-06T05:18:17 < dongs> lole
2015-09-06T05:18:46 < dongs> opensores dudes should just eat a bag of dicks
2015-09-06T05:18:47 < dongs> asap
2015-09-06T05:18:52 < Roklobsta> meh, if you use ubuquiti or mikrotik you don't need open sores.
2015-09-06T05:19:21 < dongs> yeah i got some mikrotik shits doing point to point over 5.8ghz
2015-09-06T05:19:26 < dongs> but its not wifi its hwatever other stuff.
2015-09-06T05:24:27 < Roklobsta> dongs: what distance?
2015-09-06T05:24:50 < Roklobsta> i use it too just between buildings though.  it's nice, it's atheros/qualcomm.  it's MIPS.
2015-09-06T05:31:09 < dongs> yeah same shit i duno maybe 500meters or soemthing
2015-09-06T05:31:15 < dongs> between buildings.
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2015-09-06T05:38:17 < PeterM-MOB> Dongs, is this your new phone http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_rumoured_to_launch_xperia_z5_compact_premium_with_1080p_display_in_japan-news-13868.php ?
2015-09-06T05:39:08 < dongs> lulz
2015-09-06T05:39:13 < dongs> does it come wiht anniemay theme for LINE
2015-09-06T05:40:18 < dongs> i dont buy sony phones anyway
2015-09-06T05:43:26 < PeterM-MOB> But lg isn't as kawaii~ !
2015-09-06T05:43:28  * PeterM-MOB rolls eyes.
2015-09-06T05:46:07 < PeterM-MOB> I do quite like the cyan colour scheme on a phone for some reason though.
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2015-09-06T07:01:50 < emeb_mac> bleah - trying to D/L the 4.9 gcc for mac from launchpad. slow and keeps timing out. Any mirrors out there?
2015-09-06T07:14:29 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: pong
2015-09-06T07:18:51 < PaulFertser> dongs: fyi, ath10k supports 802.11ac all right for those newer QCA chipsets.
2015-09-06T07:22:32 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: was just wondering about OOCD support for STM32F7
2015-09-06T07:22:38 < emeb_mac> seems it's not quite there yet.
2015-09-06T07:22:55 < emeb_mac> saw some discussion on the ML a few months back that there are some patches pending.
2015-09-06T07:23:11 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: there're out of tree patches by ST themselves, unmergeable because code quality. And there're better patches in the works, hold on, I'll get you a link.
2015-09-06T07:23:53 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: gratz!
2015-09-06T07:27:16 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: git fetch http://openocd.zylin.com/openocd refs/changes/40/2940/4 ; git checkout FETCH_HEAD; this will give you stm32f7 support in stm32f2x driver. git fetch http://openocd.zylin.com/openocd refs/changes/54/2754/5 here configs but not rebased on the very latest patch, you can cherry-pick them or just checkout, even non-latest should work good.
2015-09-06T07:28:03 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: thanks
2015-09-06T07:28:09 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: welcome
2015-09-06T07:28:47 < PaulFertser> Uwe Bonnes had to do the work
2015-09-06T07:29:01 < emeb_mac> yes - I saw he was in the ML threads
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2015-09-06T07:33:06 < upgrdman> any idea why this gate would be taking a few us to drive high? im using an IRS2301S gate driver, which should have a Ton of about 220ns. blue waveform is the gate:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/sepic_waveforms.png
2015-09-06T07:37:41 < dongs> PaulFertser: duno man, i was just reading some trash about ass10k and it said they werent supporting it.
2015-09-06T07:37:50 < dongs> NOT that i care, i would never run opensauce on a wifi bridge
2015-09-06T07:37:53 < dongs> thats jsut asking to be owned
2015-09-06T07:38:07 < emeb_mac> typical japan? https://instagram.com/p/7NtrpmvKQ2/?taken-by=tokyofashion
2015-09-06T07:41:07 < PaulFertser> dongs: ubnt runs Linux (the kernel) plus QCA shit-SDK, so you are running opensource, just not fully. Also, you apparently have very ordinary usecases, those that are covered by the manufacturers and do not use SOHO-grade equipment. Isn't it great that one can get a shitty dlink or whatever, it doesn't work stable with vendor firmware, it doesn't provide VLANs, IPv6, support for modern USB LTE
2015-09-06T07:41:13 < PaulFertser> sticks, printers, etc etc, you install OpenWrt on it and get fully reliable fully functional advanced AP+router+print server etc?
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2015-09-06T07:51:01 < dongs> PaulFertser: bullshit
2015-09-06T07:51:10 < dongs> PaulFertser: people who buy tpdink dont give a fuck about LTE, IVP6 or any other trash
2015-09-06T07:51:15 < dongs> people buy htem because they WORK
2015-09-06T07:51:20 < dongs> they plug shit in and use it
2015-09-06T07:58:32 < emeb_mac> R2COM: that's fashion!
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2015-09-06T08:00:25 < dongs> does ST have a proper product matrix where i can search by stm32fXX feature
2015-09-06T08:00:44 < dongs> like if I wanted cheapest F? with YY ram and blah blah
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2015-09-06T08:01:59 < PaulFertser> dongs: I know right, sometimes it works, sometimes not. Sometimes it works and then they buy a new GSM/UMTS/LTE modem and it doesn't. Also, the vendor firmware is often unstable. Seen that first-hand. Shit needs rebooting every week while the very same board works 100% solid with OpenWrt.
2015-09-06T08:02:46  * emeb_mac installed dd-wrt on an ancient linksys router. works great and has lots of useful features that the original didn't 
2015-09-06T08:03:06 < dongs> > ancient linksysrouter
2015-09-06T08:03:08 < dongs> comeon dude.
2015-09-06T08:03:30 < dongs> that WRT54G trash has less cpu/memoryt bandwdith than a stm32F4
2015-09-06T08:03:40 < dongs> its completely fucking useless for anything except like dialup>wifi
2015-09-06T08:03:49 < emeb_mac> not mine - installed it as a repeater at the in-law's house.
2015-09-06T08:04:29 < emeb_mac> but it gets me good wifi when I visit.
2015-09-06T08:05:21 < dongs> PaulFertser: normal people dont need LTE modems
2015-09-06T08:05:25 < dongs> not sure why you keep bringin that shit up
2015-09-06T08:05:33 < upgrdman> what kind of bandwith can a wrt56g do over wifi?
2015-09-06T08:05:40 < dongs> upgrdman: like 100k/sec
2015-09-06T08:05:44 < upgrdman> :)
2015-09-06T08:05:59 < dongs> i threw away mine 10 years ago
2015-09-06T08:06:06 < upgrdman> i had to go to AC because G sucks ass
2015-09-06T08:06:26 < upgrdman> my internet connection is 60Mbps, so G was slower than my net connection
2015-09-06T08:06:49 < dongs> yeah i ordered some archer tpdick thing. but the idiot korean sent it by registered mail instead of EMS, so instead of it arriving 2 days later its still somewehre on shitty korean boat
2015-09-06T08:07:25 < dongs> you need GAMING LAN
2015-09-06T08:07:31 < emeb_mac> heh - inlaws are out in the country 20mi from town. their DSL doesn't go faster than about 5Mbit
2015-09-06T08:07:40 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-06T08:07:54 < emeb_mac> so WRT54G is fine for them
2015-09-06T08:08:27 < upgrdman> that's one thing that pissed me off about my university. im in a nice uni in southern california, and students get like 6Mbps max. total wtf.
2015-09-06T08:08:58 < dongs> why do you think students need internet?
2015-09-06T08:09:02 < upgrdman> it used to be that uni's were the only place with decent internet access. now it's the opposite. fuckign mcdonalds offers faster wifi
2015-09-06T08:09:04 < dongs> to play games?
2015-09-06T08:09:20 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-06T08:09:25 < upgrdman> for the hentai club
2015-09-06T08:10:17 < dongs> hmm
2015-09-06T08:10:19 < dongs> STM32F407VGT6
2015-09-06T08:10:24 < dongs> is cheap enough
2015-09-06T08:10:27 < dongs> and has dcmi
2015-09-06T08:10:28 < upgrdman> i think im most pissed that the uni only allows ports 80 and 443, prolly because of torrenter faggots. so no irc unless i use webchatr
2015-09-06T08:10:29 < dongs> but i duno
2015-09-06T08:10:33 < dongs> dsflkjdsklfj
2015-09-06T08:10:37 < dongs> its kinda zano-class overkill
2015-09-06T08:11:13 < dongs> oh maybe i can use zyp's free 429 chips for this trashproj
2015-09-06T08:11:25 < dongs> and then buy cheap 407s if it works
2015-09-06T08:11:42 < dongs> R2COM: cloning zano camera
2015-09-06T08:11:56 < dongs> ov5640->stm32->dump jpegs out of uart or something
2015-09-06T08:12:16 < dongs> at first i was going to do it dumway on F103 but only 20k ram and I dont wanna deal with buffering frames
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2015-09-06T08:57:36 < dongs> http://www.shoplack.com/detail.aspx?id=39
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2015-09-06T08:59:41 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-06T09:01:20 < upgrdman> anyone have a super small usb memory stick that they like? like something the size of a logitech dongle. super small.
2015-09-06T09:02:02 < jpa-> not that small, but i like this for its indestructibility: http://s0.static.mymemory.co.uk/images/product_shots/large_40108_1327070906.jpg
2015-09-06T09:02:21 < upgrdman> looks super sexy too. hmmm
2015-09-06T09:02:41 < jpa-> it sells for 4€ for the 8GB version here
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2015-09-06T09:41:58 < artag> sandisk ultrafit is very tiny and usb3
2015-09-06T09:45:18 < artag> or there's these : http://zeropoint.en.alibaba.com/product/614350020-214067783/USB_Micro_SD_SDHC_Memory_Card_Adapter_Reader_For_Computer_Laptop.html
2015-09-06T09:46:46 < artag> I like those for sticks that are in permanently. but too small to carry about , jpa's ones are better for that
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2015-09-06T09:56:26 < upgrdman> PeterM, any idea why there would be this ringing on the anode of my SEPIC?   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyQNCfusfnI
2015-09-06T09:56:55 < upgrdman> schematic is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SEPIC_Schematic.gif
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2015-09-06T10:04:34 < Fleck> upgrdman: load is just that light bulb? What value C2 is?
2015-09-06T10:05:13 < upgrdman> yes. c2 is approx 250uF
2015-09-06T10:05:26 < upgrdman> that ringing is not on the output voltage
2015-09-06T10:05:52 < upgrdman> its at the diode anode, not cathode
2015-09-06T10:08:09 < artag> poke your finger on the circuit, see what changes the ringing frequency, then look for a resonant circuit
2015-09-06T10:08:23 < artag> maybe some wire loop due to the test layout
2015-09-06T10:08:51 < Fleck> upgrdman: whats the blue channel?
2015-09-06T10:09:01 < upgrdman> gate
2015-09-06T10:09:03 < artag> your 250uF won't see that at all, you'd need a small fast cap close to the switch
2015-09-06T10:10:30 < Fleck> also you can see ringing in gate too
2015-09-06T10:14:21 < upgrdman> wonder if the ringing on the anode is from C1 charging up and L2 not being happy about current dropping toward zero.
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2015-09-06T10:24:09 < mtbg> yep, ringing can very well be due to C2 esr/esl
2015-09-06T10:29:10 < Fleck> upgrdman: have .pdf, world class PSU designs if interested
2015-09-06T10:29:28 < upgrdman> sure
2015-09-06T10:29:34 < Fleck> sec
2015-09-06T10:33:20 < qyx_> any dedicated recuperating dc-dc controller out there?
2015-09-06T10:33:23 < qyx_> before i start googling
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2015-09-06T11:57:04 < PeterM> upgrdman, i think the ringing is because there is no low esr input capacitance, and possibly because your gate drive lead is so long as passes close to hte input inductor
2015-09-06T11:57:36 < PeterM> if it is still http://www.farrellf.com/temp/sepic_converter_revA.jpg this
2015-09-06T11:58:38 < PeterM> well, not so much the input inductor but is prone to induced current
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2015-09-06T12:10:45 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MsMmavy.jpg wat
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2015-09-06T12:19:48 < zyp> haha
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2015-09-06T14:52:38 < dongs> still no new altidong
2015-09-06T14:53:03 < Steffanx> Time to sleep, maybe tomorrow when you wake up.
2015-09-06T14:53:12 < Steffanx> it's sunday in yankeeland
2015-09-06T14:54:35 < PeterM> tomorrow when i wake up it will be monday
2015-09-06T14:54:52 < dongs> altidong is in china now anyway.
2015-09-06T14:54:57 < dongs> so they never sleep
2015-09-06T14:54:57 < PeterM> i will continue working
2015-09-06T14:55:07 < PeterM> orally?
2015-09-06T14:55:15 < dongs> didnt they?
2015-09-06T14:55:25 < dongs> there was rage how it stopped being australian comany and sold out to china
2015-09-06T14:55:29 < PeterM> NFI
2015-09-06T14:55:44 < dongs> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/altium/altium-moves-again!/
2015-09-06T14:55:58 < dongs> huh, usa
2015-09-06T14:55:58 < dongs> wat
2015-09-06T14:56:14 < PeterM> do you know if they have/when will they impliment import 3d model/footprint from ciiva/octopart because of acquisition
2015-09-06T14:56:15 < dongs> Tasmania -> Sydney -> Silicon Valley -> Sydney -> China (+Ukraine R&D) -> San Diego
2015-09-06T14:56:30 < dongs> PeterM: already in circuitdonger
2015-09-06T14:56:47 < PeterM> i dont use circuitwang though
2015-09-06T14:56:50 < dongs> rite
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2015-09-06T14:57:12 < PeterM> would be nifty feature for lazy as fuck finding 3d modle rite?
2015-09-06T14:57:35 < PeterM> usually i just extrusions everything
2015-09-06T14:58:43 < dongs> heh dicktrace is 'considering' doing a 'native macfag' version
2015-09-06T15:00:21 < Sync_> lel
2015-09-06T15:00:38 < PeterM> ehh, could be worse, could be eagle
2015-09-06T15:00:47 < PeterM> fuck that program
2015-09-06T15:00:49 < dongs> http://www.diptrace.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=18550#p18550
2015-09-06T15:00:53 < dongs> i got some bites on my trollpost
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2015-09-06T15:10:16 < dongs> oh, there's a circuitdonger update
2015-09-06T15:10:24 < zyp> haha
2015-09-06T15:10:39 < dongs> 8.5.2015
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2015-09-06T15:14:55 < dongs> Introducing CircuitMaker Design-To-Manufacturing with CircuitHub
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2015-09-06T15:19:42 < Tectu> dongs, what´s the latest status on zano?
2015-09-06T15:22:52 < dongs> still not flying
2015-09-06T15:23:53 < Fleck> http://noflyzano.com/ << says it is
2015-09-06T15:24:24 < dongs> apparently they shipped like 5
2015-09-06T15:24:29 < dongs> i ccant wait to see rage reviews
2015-09-06T15:27:42 < mtbg> maybe it is to get some more time without delaying initial shipping time
2015-09-06T15:27:54 < dongs> they already delayed to 18th september
2015-09-06T15:27:58 < dongs> to wait for some new amazing props
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2015-09-06T15:36:57 < mitrax> what's the deal with that zano thing? i've seen regular mentions about it in here but never really paid attention or checked what it was, was it a predictable failure?
2015-09-06T15:37:07 < dongs> from day1`
2015-09-06T15:37:24 < mitrax> ahah
2015-09-06T15:39:03 < mitrax> any obvious reason why it was to fail? do you know the guys in charge or? :)
2015-09-06T15:39:10 < mitrax> err why it was bound to fail
2015-09-06T15:39:40 < dongs> Autonomous, Intelligent, Developable. Meet ZANO the world's most sophisticated nano drone - aerial photo and HD video capture platform.
2015-09-06T15:39:54 < dongs> that should be enough
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2015-09-06T15:43:44 < dongs> fuck
2015-09-06T15:43:48 < dongs> circuitshit is still slow garbage
2015-09-06T15:43:55 < dongs> click aynthing: wait ~5 seconds for cloud trash to sync
2015-09-06T15:43:57 < dongs> fuck off.
2015-09-06T15:44:19 < mitrax> it's a standalone app or some web based crap?
2015-09-06T15:44:32 < dongs> its crapped down altium
2015-09-06T15:44:35 < dongs> with ribbon menus
2015-09-06T15:44:37 < dongs> and no hotkeys
2015-09-06T15:44:44 < dongs> and all files are on amazon aws
2015-09-06T15:44:48 < mitrax> ah
2015-09-06T15:44:57 < mitrax> can you even download the file?
2015-09-06T15:45:03 < dongs> technically no
2015-09-06T15:45:19 < dongs> i think you can pull some bits out of cache folder
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2015-09-06T17:25:18 < Tectu> dongs, still around?
2015-09-06T17:29:12 < Tectu> :/
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2015-09-06T17:41:16 < dongs> maybe
2015-09-06T17:46:09 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/708737310/comet-the-first-buoyant-water-resistant-smartphone loll
2015-09-06T17:46:12 < dongs> @ video
2015-09-06T17:47:55 < zyp> buoyant smartphone?
2015-09-06T17:47:58 < zyp> hahaha, fins
2015-09-06T17:48:01 < zyp> wat
2015-09-06T17:48:22 < kakimir> had waterproof android for last 5years
2015-09-06T17:48:32 < zyp> sure, but buoyant
2015-09-06T17:48:40 < zyp> that would mean it has less density than water
2015-09-06T17:49:03 < zyp> which would imply that it's huge and empty
2015-09-06T17:50:37 < zyp> well, apparently it's fins that makes stuff float
2015-09-06T17:50:47 < kakimir> and gas no batteey
2015-09-06T17:50:50 < kakimir> has
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2015-09-06T18:04:57 < jpa-> zyp: hm, typical smartphones seem to be about 1.6 g/cm³ so wouldn't necessarily be that ridiculous in size; atleast if it was a "rugged" model with some bumbers
2015-09-06T18:06:14 < Steffanx> people will all drop their phone in the sea and build a network..
2015-09-06T18:07:22 < zyp> jpa-, yeah, mine seems to be around 1.7
2015-09-06T18:08:18 < zyp> buoyancy would require it to be twice as thick or so
2015-09-06T18:08:44 < Laurenceb__> Steffanx was watching ukhas talk
2015-09-06T18:08:55 < Steffanx> lol no Laurenceb__.
2015-09-06T18:09:21 < Laurenceb__> this https://ukhas.net/
2015-09-06T18:10:25 < karlp> I have that steel dtse9 usb stick jpa linked to, it's great design, but it's a pretty shitty slow stick.
2015-09-06T18:10:44 < zyp> jpa-, if you want to make a buoyant phone, you might as well just glue a floatation pad to the back of a normal waterproof phone
2015-09-06T18:10:55 < jpa-> zyp: yeah
2015-09-06T18:11:12 < jpa-> i actually dunked my phone just today.. we'll see if it survives :P
2015-09-06T18:11:36 < Steffanx> the good old finnish nokia 3310 survives everything
2015-09-06T18:11:43 < Steffanx> or do you have something more fancy than that?
2015-09-06T18:12:06 < zyp> I actually broke a 3310 once
2015-09-06T18:12:12 < zyp> I dropped it on a tiled floor
2015-09-06T18:13:11 < jpa-> Steffanx: well fancier nokia, but yeah the chances are pretty good that it will survive
2015-09-06T18:13:20 < jpa-> what is surprising is that it turned off when it got wet
2015-09-06T18:14:04 < jpa-> but that seems to be due to the battery somehow
2015-09-06T18:14:15 < jpa-> protection circuit is probably confused
2015-09-06T18:19:23 < dongs> yeah fins
2015-09-06T18:19:25 < dongs> that shit is so pro
2015-09-06T18:20:13 < dongs> time to check zano news and sleep
2015-09-06T18:20:56 < jpa-> maybe zano will fly once they add wings
2015-09-06T18:20:58 < jpa-> or feathers
2015-09-06T18:23:08 < Laurenceb__> zano + pigeon
2015-09-06T18:24:12 < jpa-> if the user experience is not crappy enough otherwise, the pigeon can poop on you
2015-09-06T18:24:58 < Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon
2015-09-06T18:25:57 < Laurenceb__> http://41.media.tumblr.com/56ee26b7583da83174371444ecaee143/tumblr_ne4rfoimw71rwjpnyo1_540.jpg
2015-09-06T18:31:57 < Steffanx> lol
2015-09-06T18:32:01 < dongs> looks legit
2015-09-06T18:34:05 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, if you wanted to create a product based on some low-cost singleboard computer (that needs support for, say, Active Directory integration), what OS and build system would you choose?
2015-09-06T18:35:47 < dongs> PaulFertser: obviously windows, lunix has no legitimate AD support?
2015-09-06T18:35:52 < dongs> other than hacked/reverse engineerd shit
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2015-09-06T18:36:36 < PaulFertser> dongs: man, don't you know AD is based on standard widely-established protocols? Also, does windows run on Cortex-A or
2015-09-06T18:36:41 < PaulFertser> MIPS yet?
2015-09-06T18:37:39 < englishman> lol at that comet video
2015-09-06T18:38:03 < englishman> did you catch the text photoshopped onto phone
2015-09-06T18:38:30 < dongs> wasnt looking that hard
2015-09-06T18:38:33 < dongs> the whole thing is lol
2015-09-06T18:39:05 < Laurenceb__> obviously some perman00bs made a smartphone
2015-09-06T18:39:08 < Laurenceb__> obviously
2015-09-06T18:39:42 < dongs> k no zano newsOne should never expect an off the shelf product
2015-09-06T18:39:43 < dongs> We all contributed to a bet
2015-09-06T18:39:43 < dongs> The bet will strive only if we keep the faith
2015-09-06T18:39:44 < dongs> I am longing to see what may I do once I receive the gadget with an everlasting software development
2015-09-06T18:39:47 < dongs> haha
2015-09-06T18:39:49 < dongs> dreaming faggots
2015-09-06T18:39:57 < Fleck> anyway to format binary output of gdb? like split value by nibbles?
2015-09-06T18:40:23 < PaulFertser> Fleck: what do you mean, like p/x modifiers?
2015-09-06T18:40:25 < englishman>  We are a loaded Arab Family which was looking for such an opportunity.
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2015-09-06T18:41:01 < Fleck> PaulFertser: no, like p /t var/reg to output not 10000000000 but 100 0000 0000
2015-09-06T18:41:07 < Fleck> for easy counting ;D
2015-09-06T18:41:21 < PaulFertser> Oh
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2015-09-06T18:49:09 < Tectu> dongs, do I want FHD or IPS?
2015-09-06T18:49:22 < dongs> do you want apples or dongs
2015-09-06T18:49:23 < Tectu> dongs, I thought FHD just means FullHD which referrs to the resolution, not the panel technology
2015-09-06T18:49:27 < dongs> correct.
2015-09-06T18:49:40 < dongs> who told you otherwise?
2015-09-06T18:50:14 < dongs> anyway
2015-09-06T18:50:16 < dongs> ips = ips
2015-09-06T18:50:18 < dongs> fhd = fhd
2015-09-06T18:50:20 < Tectu> dongs, might just have been a wrong listing then
2015-09-06T18:50:20 < dongs> not related.
2015-09-06T18:50:24 < dongs> most likely.
2015-09-06T18:50:29 < Tectu> yes, that is what I understood to until that point
2015-09-06T18:50:56 < Tectu> but they gave me the option to choose between a 2560x1440 IPS or a 2560x1440 FHD
2015-09-06T18:51:00 < Tectu> which like fucked with my brain
2015-09-06T18:51:23 < Tectu> dongs, is there stuff better than IPS?
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2015-09-06T18:52:35 < dongs> there's like 3-4 variants of IPS
2015-09-06T18:52:50 < Tectu> which one will one get when ordering an IPS? :D
2015-09-06T18:52:56 < dongs> and then there's QUANTUM DOTS
2015-09-06T18:53:04 < dongs> dont know, it depends on wtf youre doing/getting
2015-09-06T18:53:19 < Tectu> lenovo thinkpad crap
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2015-09-06T18:53:49 < dongs> replacement LCD or osmething?
2015-09-06T18:54:09 < Tectu> new ultrabook
2015-09-06T18:54:12 < Tectu> x1 carbon crap
2015-09-06T18:54:29 < dongs> okay dunno. but "FHD" and "2015" don't work too well together.
2015-09-06T18:54:41 < jpa-> if it is crap, why are you buying it?
2015-09-06T18:54:46 < Tectu> dongs, 2560x1440 IPS on 14¨ is decent, no?
2015-09-06T18:54:59 < dongs> barely
2015-09-06T18:55:12 < dongs> that's acceptable
2015-09-06T18:55:15 < Tectu> I am used to FHD on 12´´
2015-09-06T18:55:22 < Tectu> which already is way more than needed
2015-09-06T18:55:28 < Tectu> DPI scaling crap on windows sucks
2015-09-06T18:55:43 < Tectu> Need to manually disablet he DPI scaling on every fucking application by hand
2015-09-06T18:55:50 < dongs> err no
2015-09-06T18:55:56 < Tectu> err yes
2015-09-06T18:56:00 < dongs> all you need to do is 'use same dpi for all monitors'
2015-09-06T18:56:05 < dongs> and set it to like 125%
2015-09-06T18:56:09 < dongs> tho on that 2560 might as well leave it at 100%
2015-09-06T18:56:11 < dongs> and done
2015-09-06T18:56:13 < dongs> bbl bed
2015-09-06T18:56:14 < englishman> in win10 you can set it per monitor too
2015-09-06T18:56:18 < Tectu> dongs, just one monitor (the internal one) has already that issue
2015-09-06T18:56:35 < Tectu> win 10 on stock monitor, no external ones -> still need to do that
2015-09-06T18:56:58 < Tectu> jpa-, I am not buying it, I have no money for that
2015-09-06T18:57:02 < Tectu> ask Steffanx
2015-09-06T18:57:47 < jpa-> Steffanx: where did Tectu's money go?
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2015-09-06T18:58:17 < Tectu> saleae
2015-09-06T19:06:19 < Laurenceb__> lol englishman
2015-09-06T19:06:40 < Laurenceb__> more like "we are loaded arab guys ages 18-30"
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2015-09-06T19:12:09 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, is that related to the windows thing?
2015-09-06T19:12:26 < Laurenceb__> erm no
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2015-09-06T19:48:46 < emeb> \o/ - latest version of BMP firmware supports F7
2015-09-06T19:53:03 < Taxman> what firmware?
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2015-09-06T19:55:05 < Tectu> the BMP firmware
2015-09-06T19:55:19 < Tectu> http://www.blacksphere.co.nz/main/blackmagic
2015-09-06T19:56:33 < Steffanx> jpa-, Tectu has money but he says he has nothing
2015-09-06T19:56:35 < Tectu> something everyman should use. Great tool.
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2015-09-06T19:56:38 < Steffanx> so it didnt went anywhere :P
2015-09-06T19:56:39 < Tectu> Steffanx, not true
2015-09-06T19:57:37 < emeb> any gdb wizards here?
2015-09-06T19:57:49 < kakimir> why is lpcs poorly supported by everyone?
2015-09-06T19:57:57 < Tectu> emeb, zyp is kinda gdb wizard
2015-09-06T19:58:04 < emeb> yes
2015-09-06T19:58:07 < emeb> but is he here?
2015-09-06T19:58:21 < Tectu> try to whistle three times
2015-09-06T19:58:32 < emeb> chant the name of invocation
2015-09-06T19:58:34 < emeb> zyp zyp zyp
2015-09-06T19:58:35 < Tectu> kakimir, because nobody uses them? :D
2015-09-06T19:59:15 < kakimir> why they keep selling them
2015-09-06T19:59:23 < kakimir> why not just give up?
2015-09-06T19:59:30 < Tectu> because the people with the big bucks use them
2015-09-06T19:59:36 < Steffanx> becuase people with official tools use them
2015-09-06T19:59:38 < kakimir> like me.
2015-09-06T19:59:39 < Tectu> and they ahve the big bucks to purchase the big tools
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2015-09-06T19:59:45 < Tectu> as Steffanx just said
2015-09-06T19:59:47 < Taxman> kakimir: The pricing policy of ST at least for the F4 is anger me. maybe more tools/libs should support NXP...
2015-09-06T20:00:11 < Tectu> like uGFX, runs on quite a few LPC based products :)
2015-09-06T20:00:29 < kakimir> you know that big bucks rule
2015-09-06T20:00:46 < Tectu> the bigger the bucks the shittier the outcome?
2015-09-06T20:00:54 < kakimir> true
2015-09-06T20:01:10 < Tectu> doesn´t always apply, luckily
2015-09-06T20:01:18 < Steffanx> Tectu fix your ' key
2015-09-06T20:01:24 < Steffanx> or remove the `
2015-09-06T20:01:30 < Tectu> Steffanx, it works fine in EVERY application but HexChat
2015-09-06T20:01:33 < Steffanx> i mean the other one that write that
2015-09-06T20:01:38 < Tectu> ´
2015-09-06T20:01:39 < Steffanx> *to
2015-09-06T20:01:41 < Tectu> `
2015-09-06T20:01:43 < Tectu> can do that too ^
2015-09-06T20:01:48 < Steffanx> i cant even do that one
2015-09-06T20:01:59 < Tectu> need to go US keyboard then
2015-09-06T20:02:02 < Taxman> `´#
2015-09-06T20:02:13 < Tectu> anyway, ¨  <--- that is how my quotes look in this HexChat thingy
2015-09-06T20:02:14 < Taxman> '´`
2015-09-06T20:02:19 < Tectu> while it loosk just fine everywhere else
2015-09-06T20:02:21 < Steffanx> no such key on us keyboard afaik.
2015-09-06T20:02:25 < Tectu> hint: the ´ and ¨ are the same key
2015-09-06T20:02:30 < Steffanx> '
2015-09-06T20:02:35 < Fleck> gtk have had problems with symbols for years...
2015-09-06T20:02:36 < Tectu> Steffanx, I got an official us keyboard from usa and it has one
2015-09-06T20:02:50 < Tectu> Steffanx, also german crap does that too
2015-09-06T20:02:51 < Steffanx> ' and "  are on the same key
2015-09-06T20:02:54 < Tectu> Steffanx, and swiss german crap too
2015-09-06T20:03:04 < Tectu> Steffanx, yep, and when I do what you did:    ´ and ¨
2015-09-06T20:03:19 < Steffanx> so you'r doing it wrong
2015-09-06T20:03:39 < Tectu> not sure, it works in everything outside hexchat
2015-09-06T20:05:13 < Tectu> anyway, to get back to the topic: Sometimes I even put a dedicated BMP on my board
2015-09-06T20:05:17 < Tectu> (when money is no issue)
2015-09-06T20:05:30 < Tectu> but after all an STM32F102CB and some silly USB connector aren´t expensive
2015-09-06T20:05:35 < Tectu> and then load the thing via DFU
2015-09-06T20:12:30 < emeb> interesting idea
2015-09-06T20:12:51 < Tectu> well, on a board that costs 300 USD I don´t mind paying 4 more dollars for a buil-in debugger :)
2015-09-06T20:15:32 < emeb> Tectu: maybe you know - I have a little flashing recipe for my makefile that uses gdb + BMP to load code
2015-09-06T20:15:51 < Tectu> emeb, interesting
2015-09-06T20:16:02 < emeb> there's a .gdbinit file that defines some processes to attach, set the elf file
2015-09-06T20:16:07 < Tectu> emeb, when working with openocd I always put a function in there for loading the stuff and just call that out of the makefile
2015-09-06T20:16:29 < emeb> yes, I do to
2015-09-06T20:16:34 < emeb> just 'make flash'
2015-09-06T20:16:47 < emeb> it can either use openocd or gdb+bmp
2015-09-06T20:17:12 < emeb> but when gdb exits in batch mode, my terminal session is in a weird state
2015-09-06T20:17:15 < Tectu> emeb, eg. this one I use for the F7 disco: http://paste.ugfx.org/show/dbcab46e2d
2015-09-06T20:17:26 < emeb> doesn't echo to screen when I type.
2015-09-06T20:17:37 < emeb> so I have to issue a 'reset' command
2015-09-06T20:17:50 < emeb> which clears the screen and loses any msgs from gdb
2015-09-06T20:17:59 < emeb> that only seems to happen in batch mode.
2015-09-06T20:18:22 < Tectu> uhm, no idea, sorry
2015-09-06T20:18:41 < emeb> np - thx anyway
2015-09-06T20:21:20 < Tectu> welcome
2015-09-06T20:21:33 < Tectu> emeb, I can ask andrew if you want
2015-09-06T20:21:57 < emeb> Tectu: sure - who's andrew and why would he know better? :)
2015-09-06T20:23:13 < Tectu> emeb, because he has about 30 years of GDB, make and other painful software experience ;)
2015-09-06T20:23:30 < Tectu> emeb, whenever I have a GDB / make issue I ask him
2015-09-06T20:23:31 < emeb> sounds like the guy who would know.
2015-09-06T20:23:33 < Steffanx> and still he writes terrible makefiles :P
2015-09-06T20:23:48 < Tectu> Steffanx, syntax wise, yes :D
2015-09-06T20:24:04 < Steffanx> but makefiles..
2015-09-06T20:24:37 < Tectu>  $(foreach drv,$(DRIVELETTERS),$(foreach var,$(PATHEXPAND),$(eval $(var):=$$(patsubst $(drv):%,/cygdrive/$(drv)%,$($(var))))))
2015-09-06T20:24:38 < emeb> note that this terminal lockup behavior started when I updated to the 4.9 version of launchpad gcc
2015-09-06T20:25:00 < emeb> so I assume it's something in the arm-none-eabi-gdb
2015-09-06T20:25:05 < Tectu> emeb, oh
2015-09-06T20:25:30 < emeb> and it seems to only happen when I do --batch on the command line.
2015-09-06T20:25:40 < emeb> (or --batch-silent)
2015-09-06T20:25:52 < Tectu> emeb, try #workingset
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2015-09-06T20:37:06 < kakimir> yolo
2015-09-06T20:42:36 < Sync_> swag
2015-09-06T20:43:04 < Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/04/nsa_explains_handling_zerodays/
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2015-09-06T21:11:40 < kakimir> I wonder how inkscape fucks up all numbers when modifying objects
2015-09-06T21:11:59 < kakimir> change line width and size changes
2015-09-06T21:12:16 < kakimir> change size and line width changes
2015-09-06T21:13:58 < ReadError> use a real tool?
2015-09-06T21:15:22 < kakimir> I thought I could toy around but
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2015-09-06T22:00:10 < Tectu> why on earth does one have to sign an NDA with google to get access to the android wear specification...
2015-09-06T22:02:59 < zyp> so you won't disclose it.
2015-09-06T22:04:59 < Tectu> I wish I could. because most of the stuff in there is shit.
2015-09-06T22:05:13 < Steffanx> http://www.micrel.com/_Search/search.php?zoom_sort=0&zoom_query=blabla .. micrel's pro php code. Warnings included
2015-09-06T22:05:18 < zyp> so that's why they don't want you to disclose it
2015-09-06T22:05:27 < zyp> and you just broke the NDA
2015-09-06T22:05:27 < Tectu> zyp :p
2015-09-06T22:05:42 < Tectu> Steffanx, is that ERR_ALL or something?
2015-09-06T22:05:50 < Tectu> Steffanx, I only briefly remember PHP
2015-09-06T22:05:57 < Steffanx> or something yes
2015-09-06T22:06:23 < Tectu> error_reporting(E_STRICT);
2015-09-06T22:06:26 < Tectu> thank you bitbucket
2015-09-06T22:06:59 < Steffanx> or e_all or .. e_whateverwarnings
2015-09-06T22:07:16 < Tectu> -Wall
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2015-09-06T22:26:11 < qyx_> kakimir: wat
2015-09-06T22:26:36 < qyx_> use the node tool
2015-09-06T22:27:45 < kakimir> found a button to turn of scalling
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2015-09-06T23:04:28 < Laurenceb__> NDA? is that like 50 shades of grey
2015-09-06T23:07:56 < Steffanx> 50 shades of bean
2015-09-06T23:08:14 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ttfL7-BB7M
2015-09-06T23:08:36 < Steffanx> "OLD"
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2015-09-07T00:08:35 < Fleck> morning superbia1
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2015-09-07T01:15:27 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKd2J5NkJ0LWlBOU0/view?usp=sharing
2015-09-07T01:21:30 < kakimir> plastic is for the poor
2015-09-07T01:22:26 < upgrdman> wtf. black magic probe is $60 ?! is it that fucking hard to get openocd working with an stlinkv2? even i managed to do it.
2015-09-07T01:23:32 < kakimir> how about openocd and jlink clone
2015-09-07T01:23:37 < kakimir> beats stlink
2015-09-07T01:25:31 < upgrdman> R2COM, well a polish stlinkv2 clone is like $5 on ebay
2015-09-07T01:25:35 < upgrdman> err polished
2015-09-07T01:26:23 < upgrdman> how would they be illegal? might be against  STM TOS but who cares
2015-09-07T01:26:56 < upgrdman> regardless, $60-75 for a programmer/debugger is insane. esp when it's just another stm + mini usb on a pcb
2015-09-07T01:27:04 < upgrdman> china
2015-09-07T01:27:06 < upgrdman> shenzhen
2015-09-07T01:27:30 < upgrdman> they also super small and have a case
2015-09-07T01:28:16 < upgrdman> ya but for something with a BOM cost of <$2, wanting $60+ is rediculous.
2015-09-07T01:28:40 < upgrdman> that's even more than we medical companies rape our customers ;)
2015-09-07T01:28:57 < upgrdman> for a BMP?
2015-09-07T01:29:23 < upgrdman> it's not a "finished product" it doesnt even have a case
2015-09-07T01:30:05 < upgrdman> i dont see an FCC / UL / etc logo, do you?
2015-09-07T01:39:07 < kakimir> does blackmagic even have their own software?
2015-09-07T01:39:18 < upgrdman> ya on shithub
2015-09-07T01:39:25 < upgrdman> its open sauce
2015-09-07T01:39:35 < kakimir> then it's crazy
2015-09-07T01:39:58 < kakimir> somebody quickly clone it
2015-09-07T01:40:16 < kakimir> sell for 20$ and gain profits
2015-09-07T01:48:35 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-07T01:48:41 < upgrdman> and the china clone even comes in a nice case
2015-09-07T01:48:44 < upgrdman> looks pro
2015-09-07T01:49:41 < upgrdman> here's mine with the pogo pins that i added: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/pogo_pin_programmer.jpg
2015-09-07T01:50:57 < upgrdman> now if only someone could take that clone xilinx/altera/lattice combo jtag'er and make it that small and pro looking :)
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2015-09-07T02:00:50 < Laurenceb__> blackmagic is a pita
2015-09-07T02:00:54 < Laurenceb__> I cant make it work lol
2015-09-07T02:01:02 < Laurenceb__> stlink works fine for me
2015-09-07T02:01:14 < emeb> what's wrong with it?
2015-09-07T02:04:04 < kakimir> how is projects guys?
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2015-09-07T02:17:27 < upgrdman> kakimir, my SEPIC is still fucking with me, but im making progress
2015-09-07T02:17:38 < upgrdman> side note, i bought a new vacuum and its awesome
2015-09-07T02:18:03 < kakimir> I have 3 motor vacuum
2015-09-07T02:18:10 < kakimir> it sucks hard
2015-09-07T02:18:22 < upgrdman> that sounds wrong
2015-09-07T02:18:32 < kakimir> it should
2015-09-07T02:20:04 < kakimir> what is SEPIC project for?
2015-09-07T02:20:11 < kakimir> just for curiosity?
2015-09-07T02:20:17 < upgrdman> just to expand my knowledge
2015-09-07T02:20:19 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-07T02:20:38 < upgrdman> plan to try Cùk afterwards
2015-09-07T02:20:43 < upgrdman> maybe flyback too
2015-09-07T02:21:03 < kakimir> do you have any applications in mind?
2015-09-07T02:21:44 < upgrdman> tempted to make a DC UPS but it's at the bottom of my list of shit to do
2015-09-07T02:22:20 < upgrdman> i bought some new Pb batteries to fix my AC UPS, so i have a few years before they shit the bed again
2015-09-07T02:22:49 < upgrdman> was kinda pissed when i went to a store and they wanted $30 for a 12V 7Ah battery. so i bought them on amazon for like $16
2015-09-07T02:22:52 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: you using your linear algebra and Laplace transforms for loop analysis or you going all hacker and just using Wikipedia's entry on PID controllers?
2015-09-07T02:23:24 < upgrdman> even more ghetto. im using shit i have laying around, and see how badly it performs, then making adjustments :)
2015-09-07T02:24:10 < Roklobsta> nice
2015-09-07T02:24:21 < Roklobsta> have fun with the flyback.
2015-09-07T02:24:27 < emeb> tuning control loops is best done empirically
2015-09-07T02:24:28 < upgrdman> and right now i dont even have a control loop on the SEPIC. just my hand turning a pot, and my customer servo tester thinggy generates pwm
2015-09-07T02:24:30 < Roklobsta> or should i say, fryback.
2015-09-07T02:24:42 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-07T02:24:50 < upgrdman> CV/CC PSU saves my ass so many times
2015-09-07T02:25:03 < upgrdman> glad i bought a beefy one. 32V 30A
2015-09-07T02:25:12 < Roklobsta> a welder.
2015-09-07T02:25:31 < Roklobsta> good for clearing out PWR/GND shorts.
2015-09-07T02:25:50 < upgrdman> just pop the offending IC :)
2015-09-07T02:26:43 < upgrdman> i must say i am disappointed in the IRS2301S gate drivers. thought their 150mA of current would be enough. not really if you want supersonic PWM
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2015-09-07T02:43:27 < upgrdman> sweet. here's a drop in replacement that will source or sink up to 4A   :)   http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irs21867spbf.pdf
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2015-09-07T03:00:39 < upgrdman> well i might as well add an f7disco to my mouser order
2015-09-07T03:01:07 < upgrdman> i recall someone fucking with oocd to get f7 working? how hard was that?
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2015-09-07T03:34:36 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/tklSZ0y.jpg lol applefags
2015-09-07T03:36:18 < karlp> upgrdman: just needs unmerged patches from http://openocd.zylin.com/2940 and http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/2754/
2015-09-07T03:38:28 < dongs> upgrdman: http://i.4cdn.org/k/1441502036844.gif
2015-09-07T03:56:16 < upgrdman> dongs, nice. where do you find this awesome gifs
2015-09-07T04:00:23 < karlp> that one is a snippet of a vid that someone else posted here a few weeks ago iirc
2015-09-07T04:01:25 < dongs> upgrdman: that was a retweet from another channel that was a 4chan link
2015-09-07T04:01:50 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-07T04:02:46 < upgrdman> i recall someone saying mouser offered free shipping for $100+ a long time ago. i don't see that. anyone know if it's still going on?
2015-09-07T04:02:54 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-07T04:03:04 < dongs> they do > $75 if you're not in U.S.
2015-09-07T04:03:22 < kakimir> 65EUR
2015-09-07T04:03:22 < dongs> i duno if any of freeship deals on digikey/mouser apply to u.s. customers
2015-09-07T04:03:24 < upgrdman> lolwut. so if they ship internationally it'll be free? fuck me.
2015-09-07T04:03:28 < dongs> yes
2015-09-07T04:03:44 < dongs> actually its 7500 jpy, which is more liek $62 now
2015-09-07T04:03:53 < upgrdman> i wonder why they do that. it costs MORE for intl shipping
2015-09-07T04:07:19 < dongs> cuz their intl prices are a tiny bit higher
2015-09-07T04:07:25 < upgrdman> oh
2015-09-07T04:07:34 < dongs> they dick the exchange rate a bit
2015-09-07T04:07:43 < dongs> anyway, <$75 shipping is only like $20
2015-09-07T04:07:57 < dongs> which is ~normal-ish for doing a lot of volume, chinagirl fedex pricing is similar
2015-09-07T04:08:34 < dongs> not even 4k
2015-09-07T04:08:36 < dongs> garbage
2015-09-07T04:08:42 < dongs> and huge as fuck
2015-09-07T04:10:52 < kakimir> remember when side by side crts were the thing?
2015-09-07T04:11:15 < dongs> its mostly the 34" part
2015-09-07T04:11:22 < dongs> that is huge
2015-09-07T04:11:35 < dongs> if its like your only monitor and you don't do anything on it actually then its probably ok!!!
2015-09-07T04:13:28 < dongs> duno. i think its too low rez for so huge.
2015-09-07T04:14:36 < dongs> Cons: No power supply. There is nothing more annoying than having a bad power supply on a monitor. This one is fine as of now, but I have had a lot of onboard power supplies die in monitors. I can't stand it. For the price dell is offering, give me an external PWS in the event it goes bad. I'd rather spend $100 on that than $700 on a new monitor.
2015-09-07T04:14:42 < dongs> haha
2015-09-07T04:16:13 < dongs> you only clicked this cuz all the promo pix show some flight smulator crap
2015-09-07T04:16:28 < dongs> http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel/muslim-flight-attendant-feat/index.html
2015-09-07T04:17:18 < dongs> Stanley, 40, started working for ExpressJet nearly three years ago. About two years ago she converted to Islam. This year she learned her faith prohibits her from not only consuming alcohol but serving it, too, Masri said.
2015-09-07T04:17:22 < dongs> haha
2015-09-07T04:17:23 < dongs> 'converted to islam'
2015-09-07T04:17:24 < dongs> fuckin
2015-09-07T04:17:29 < Roklobsta> dongs: reminds me of the time i was in malaysia and the muslim checkout chicks expect you do handle and scan the pork products.
2015-09-07T04:17:46 < dongs> Roklobsta: lole.
2015-09-07T04:17:48 < dongs> cuz they cant touch it?
2015-09-07T04:17:56 < Roklobsta> nup, well some wouldn't.
2015-09-07T04:18:23 < Roklobsta> plenty do
2015-09-07T04:19:18 < Roklobsta> i'm hungry now
2015-09-07T04:19:50 < dongs> blame jews
2015-09-07T04:19:52 < dongs> for your hunger
2015-09-07T04:23:58 < kakimir> dongs: do you perform foreskin operations?
2015-09-07T04:24:24 < Roklobsta> R2COM: you made it?
2015-09-07T04:24:37 < Roklobsta> i'll better it
2015-09-07T04:25:30 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-07T04:27:26 < Roklobsta> R2COM: here you go.  i made ramen from scratch the other day. noodles and all.  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3LoIT60mgabUTJ3Um1WODllVFk
2015-09-07T04:28:09 < Roklobsta> oh arse.
2015-09-07T04:29:10 < kakimir> why you do this
2015-09-07T04:29:20 < Roklobsta> try now
2015-09-07T04:30:20 < Roklobsta> hey it's 1st time.  can't get the pink and white swirly stuff.
2015-09-07T04:30:45 < Roklobsta> i am not going to japan any time soon so have to do it myself.
2015-09-07T04:30:57 < Roklobsta> tasted pretty good.
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2015-09-07T04:41:04 < kakimir> Roklobsta: did you have 5times that for yourself=
2015-09-07T04:41:39 < Roklobsta> kakimir: what do you mean?
2015-09-07T04:42:22 < kakimir> I would get hungry having just that
2015-09-07T04:43:14 < Roklobsta> i see yeah, i made 5x that which i ate in 2 days.
2015-09-07T04:44:08 < Roklobsta> dongs is lucky he has the ramen cart guy come past his house every day.
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2015-09-07T04:55:21 < dongs> loldongs
2015-09-07T04:55:39 < upgrdman> a few years ago i found an online spice-like sim that would show charge building up on caps, and magnetic fields building up in inudctors. like an animation. anyone know what im talking about? i cant findit
2015-09-07T04:56:01 < dongs> upgrdman: http://www.falstad.com/circuit/ this?
2015-09-07T04:56:14 < dongs> he finally javasriptified/canvas'd it
2015-09-07T04:56:20 < dongs> no more fucking java plugin aids
2015-09-07T04:56:53 < kakimir> remember when java was the thing?
2015-09-07T04:57:22 < upgrdman> FUCK YES
2015-09-07T04:57:23 < upgrdman> thanks
2015-09-07T04:57:59 < dongs> yeah it is awesome
2015-09-07T04:58:05 < dongs> i even use it sometimes to do pro simulations
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2015-09-07T05:01:24 < aandrew> java is still the thing
2015-09-07T05:01:43 < aandrew> ... the thing used to cripple systems and run malware
2015-09-07T05:02:01 < upgrdman> java applets were stupid
2015-09-07T05:02:06 < upgrdman> but java itself isnt too bad
2015-09-07T05:02:20 < upgrdman> some of the included libs suck ass (swing...) but overall, not bad
2015-09-07T05:03:13 < kakimir> I feel like all that interest in java wasn't natural
2015-09-07T05:04:25 < dongs> java was hardly used as crossplatform
2015-09-07T05:04:35 < dongs> almost anything using it "seriously" would have native code hooks
2015-09-07T05:04:38 < dongs> making it useless crossplatform
2015-09-07T05:04:45 < dongs> JNI or whatever the fuck its called
2015-09-07T05:06:13 < dongs> none
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2015-09-07T05:31:15 < dongs> http://ftm.futureelectronics.com/on-semiconductor-ar023z-high-performance-1080p-hdr-surveillance-image-sensor/
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2015-09-07T05:32:18 < emeb_mac> wow - 105dB
2015-09-07T05:32:34 < dongs> is that super good
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2015-09-07T05:33:49 < Roklobotomy> so they could make horrid UPS 'apps'.
2015-09-07T05:33:56 < dongs> hm?
2015-09-07T05:34:22 < Roklobotomy> java.
2015-09-07T05:34:28 < dongs> HEH
2015-09-07T05:34:32 < emeb_mac> 105dB is equivalent to about 18 bits of color resolution
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2015-09-07T06:29:52 < aandrew> < R2COM> http://cdn-4.psndealer.com/e2/dealersite/images/napalmmotorsports/Reef%20Girls600.jpg
2015-09-07T06:29:55 < aandrew> god bless america
2015-09-07T06:30:09 < dongs> there's probably no americans in that pic
2015-09-07T06:30:14 < dongs> all shitty mexican immigrants
2015-09-07T06:30:22 < aandrew> I agree, just using the colloquial phrase
2015-09-07T06:32:37 < dongs> heh dave "sellout" jones was suuper careful not to click on dashboard link in his video
2015-09-07T06:32:47 < dongs> so it wouldnt show his earnings for videoz
2015-09-07T06:32:54 < dongs> he was hovering over it a few times
2015-09-07T06:33:37 < aandrew> which video is that
2015-09-07T06:33:49 < dongs> the buying dislikes from vienteam one
2015-09-07T06:34:03 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU08zwBH-wo
2015-09-07T06:35:06 < dongs> still cant stand his shit
2015-09-07T06:36:47 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7soJAFbKwY >??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
2015-09-07T06:36:59 < dongs> 'successfully reflowed tcon board in my reflow oven (points to a fucking toaster)
2015-09-07T06:37:03 < dongs> what the actual fuck?
2015-09-07T06:37:06 < dongs> the fuck is he trying to achieve
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2015-09-07T06:38:39 < dongs> i think the whole point of that 12 minutes is that through-hole connectors are not rated for reflow
2015-09-07T06:38:47 < dongs> which is kinda DUH
2015-09-07T06:38:54 < dongs> and doesnt need a 12 minute video
2015-09-07T06:39:00 < dongs> never mind that wahtever the fuck hes trying to do is retarded anyway.
2015-09-07T06:39:08 < dongs> do you just throw random shit in reflow oven to make it work??????????????
2015-09-07T06:39:12 < dongs> i thought he was a fucking EE
2015-09-07T06:39:16 < dongs> not some xbox reballer faggot
2015-09-07T06:41:07 < aandrew> wtf is  abatterizer
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2015-09-07T06:59:22 < upgrdman> dongs, on that web sim, any idea how to change the scope timebase?
2015-09-07T06:59:31 < upgrdman> e.g. is scrolls super fucking slow
2015-09-07T06:59:58 < dongs> upgrdman: simulation speed? i duno, its all there
2015-09-07T07:01:31 < upgrdman> R2COM, visualizing current flow "live" is really neat
2015-09-07T07:08:50 < upgrdman> i know that
2015-09-07T07:09:00 < upgrdman> but it's nice to see it visually on the schematic :)
2015-09-07T07:13:08 < upgrdman> are there any SPICEs that do it like the web sim?
2015-09-07T07:13:19 < upgrdman> i was never an ee student
2015-09-07T07:13:26 < upgrdman> i was a computer science student
2015-09-07T07:13:35 < upgrdman> ee as a hobby, and now a career
2015-09-07T07:14:04 < upgrdman> no
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2015-09-07T07:14:18 < upgrdman> well kinda
2015-09-07T07:14:25 < upgrdman> simple shit. like 1st semest physics
2015-09-07T07:14:30 < upgrdman> KVL, KCL
2015-09-07T07:14:42 < upgrdman> ok then no :)
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2015-09-07T07:56:35 < dongs> .This means we.ve essentially future proofed the Zano hardware. However, as far as the current CAA regulations are concerned, Zano is fully compliant for consumer applications.
2015-09-07T07:57:44 < dongs> As far as Zano.s camera is concerned it has the ability to take high definition motion and still images as well as stream via Wifi to the user.s chosen device; in addition it can record in high frame rates for slow motion and virtual reality integration.
2015-09-07T08:03:33 < dongs> Whilst the first generation Zanos cannot fly in heavy rain there are plans to actually produce a fully-waterproof submersible model in the future, which will pretty much fulfil Crowther.s wish of making drone photography .available to everyone..
2015-09-07T08:03:41 < dongs> so much for future proofing???
2015-09-07T08:03:51 < dongs> why can't it handle trivial things like rain and submersion in water?
2015-09-07T08:03:56 < dongs> bullshit, i don't need to wait for a V2 for that
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2015-09-07T08:48:21 < dongs> <@wolfmanjm> which is also why we are so strict with accepting pull requests in smoothie we want to keep it clean ;)
2015-09-07T08:48:25 < dongs> haha
2015-09-07T08:48:26 < dongs> attn @ all
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2015-09-07T10:49:37 < dongs> heh i just schooled local altidong pro on smart grid insert
2015-09-07T10:52:20 < Fleck> good job dongs
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2015-09-07T11:51:19 < dongs> http://www.serdashop.com/DreamblasterX1 heh
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2015-09-07T12:28:47 < PeterM> dongs what is that assblaster
2015-09-07T12:29:02 < dongs> PeterM: its waveblaster header thing that goes into SB16/etc
2015-09-07T12:29:05 < dongs> i didnt know that shit was just midi
2015-09-07T12:29:10 < dongs> and audio out to card internals
2015-09-07T12:29:27 < dongs> but the shit is basically soem electric piano wavetable midi synth chip
2015-09-07T12:32:04 < PeterM> ooooohhh.... so it's jsut garbage that could be a stm32f0
2015-09-07T12:32:15 < dongs> haha basically
2015-09-07T12:32:54 < dongs> but it has some super pro DSP w4r3z
2015-09-07T12:33:03 < dongs> probly nothing emeb couldnt write
2015-09-07T12:35:09 < ReadError> dongs did danks respond ?
2015-09-07T12:35:13 < dongs> yes
2015-09-07T12:35:17 < dongs> its zync
2015-09-07T12:35:19 < ReadError> NDA stuff?
2015-09-07T12:35:21 < dongs> im still laughing
2015-09-07T12:35:42 < dongs> er zynq
2015-09-07T12:35:55 < ReadError> ahh ya just found
2015-09-07T12:36:30 < ReadError> ermm @ price
2015-09-07T12:37:00 < dongs> it also needs ddr ram + junk around it
2015-09-07T12:37:34 < ReadError> oh dear god, xilinx has some of the worst datasheets ive seen
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2015-09-07T12:39:50 < ReadError> whats the reason?? trying to do zano level video shit or something?
2015-09-07T12:49:28 < PeterM> oh, dongie any word on the batt shits? i pretty much forgot about em
2015-09-07T12:50:05 < dongs> o shit right
2015-09-07T12:51:06 < PeterM> nah, srs, i only only remembered because a bunch of abtts turned up and i was like "wtf are these for... o rite...?"
2015-09-07T12:52:17 < dongs> ok she is on it
2015-09-07T12:53:31 < PeterM> no worries m8
2015-09-07T12:59:26 < dongs> *& Many users report that their sound card stopped working after upgrading to Windows 10.
2015-09-07T12:59:32 < dongs> sounds like lunix install
2015-09-07T13:01:03 < dongs> http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/files/windows-10-icons.png haha wat
2015-09-07T13:01:09 < dongs> why so flat + retarded looking
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2015-09-07T13:01:43 < PeterM> iirc  basically all integrated sound chipsets have drivers integrated t owindows10 - only like pro audio stuff like studio soundcards etc require drivers, which i couldexpect ot be a little delayed on the driver front
2015-09-07T13:02:02 < dongs> yeah i cant imagine your typical ac97 trash not working
2015-09-07T13:03:12 < dongs> PeterM: done in 4 days
2015-09-07T13:03:15 < dongs> so probly end of this week ships
2015-09-07T13:03:51 < dongs> or at least pix by then.
2015-09-07T13:04:09 < PeterM> noice
2015-09-07T13:06:36 < Ecco> Hi guys
2015-09-07T13:06:44 < Ecco> I just bought some liquid flux and some gel one
2015-09-07T13:06:52 < PeterM> ok
2015-09-07T13:06:53 < Ecco> Liquid was *infinitely* cheaper
2015-09-07T13:06:59 < Ecco> It comes in a 1L bottle
2015-09-07T13:07:03 < PeterM> ok
2015-09-07T13:07:05 < Ecco> How am I supposed to dispense it?
2015-09-07T13:07:27 < Ecco> (whereas the gel comes in a nice syringe)
2015-09-07T13:07:33 < ReadError> flux bottle
2015-09-07T13:07:45 < ReadError> made specifically for it
2015-09-07T13:07:45 < PeterM> depends on what you want to use it for. for bga you use syringe, for most other, use a brush or bottle
2015-09-07T13:07:57 < dongs> i have mine in bottle
2015-09-07T13:08:00 < dongs> and use those ear swabs
2015-09-07T13:08:07 < ReadError> http://www.techni-tool.com/657CH021
2015-09-07T13:08:16 < dongs> http://www.unitedtradingint.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/COTTON-EAR-SWABS.jpg
2015-09-07T13:08:17 < dongs> this kinta trash
2015-09-07T13:08:18 < dongs> kinda
2015-09-07T13:08:24 < Ecco> Oh you mean special-made bottles? I thought you guys meant that I should pour the thing straight from the 1L bottle :)
2015-09-07T13:08:31 < Ecco> http://www.antistat.co.uk/shopimages/products/normal/146-0001_ESD%20Flux%20Bottle.jpg
2015-09-07T13:08:32 < ReadError> i just squirt it on the board from the bottle
2015-09-07T13:08:45 < ReadError> but use a noclean so cleanup is easy
2015-09-07T13:08:54 < PeterM> ecco, also, what kind of liquid flux? rosin, or no clean etc stuff?
2015-09-07T13:08:59 < dongs> i only use flux when hacking/desoldering
2015-09-07T13:09:12 < Ecco> Thing is, I can buy a syringe from my local pharmacy easily
2015-09-07T13:09:12 < ReadError> kester 951 is great ;)
2015-09-07T13:09:24 < dongs> yeah and ih ave a couple kester flux pens
2015-09-07T13:09:28 < ReadError> I bought like 10 bottles for super cheap
2015-09-07T13:09:36 < ReadError> guess people use them for repairing xbox
2015-09-07T13:09:38 < Ecco> This one
2015-09-07T13:09:39 < Ecco> http://www.batterfly.com/PDF/Catalogo_ESD/Tecnica%20Flussante%20MF220.pdf
2015-09-07T13:09:50 < dongs> why teh fuck i cant click that link
2015-09-07T13:09:55 < dongs> hm now i can
2015-09-07T13:09:56 < dongs> weird
2015-09-07T13:10:51 < Ecco> So supposedly "No clean"
2015-09-07T13:11:20 < PeterM> [20:08] <dongs> i only use flux when hacking/desoldering - same, but that is pretty often because i do much anal log shit that requires actual prototypes and actual wasting of money :(
2015-09-07T13:12:17 < PeterM> ecco ahh, yeah, decent stuff
2015-09-07T13:12:33 < Ecco> Great!
2015-09-07T13:12:40 < Ecco> Actually the shop (batterfly) is a nice one
2015-09-07T13:12:52 < Ecco> But that's pretty much the only reference they had
2015-09-07T13:13:05 < Ecco> So could I use a medical syringe for this flux?
2015-09-07T13:13:08 < dongs> @gillSpie - if anyone every fires up a Zano in a restaurant near me it will be getting a jug of water poured all over it!
2015-09-07T13:13:12 < dongs> Please, have some care about where you use these things. Just because you CAN use
2015-09-07T13:13:15 < dongs> something in a crowded restaurant does not mean you SHOULD use it there.
2015-09-07T13:13:43 < Laurenceb> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13680
2015-09-07T13:13:49 < Laurenceb> lul export restricted
2015-09-07T13:14:41 < PeterM> ecco for normal smd work i would reccommend a dispenser bottle or a brush, i only use syringe for bga
2015-09-07T13:14:43 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=74TVi0M3Sxg
2015-09-07T13:14:46 < Laurenceb> ^ no homo
2015-09-07T13:15:03 < dongs> lol wow
2015-09-07T13:15:07 < dongs> that dude looks gay as fuck
2015-09-07T13:15:57 < PeterM> fuck is pretty straight. i'd say as gay as aids or sthn
2015-09-07T13:16:09 < PeterM> but your point still stands
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2015-09-07T13:19:26 < Ecco> PeterM: OK. What would be the issue with using a syring for SMD?
2015-09-07T13:19:37 < dongs> how exactly do you use flux?
2015-09-07T13:19:43 < Ecco> Well, I don't!
2015-09-07T13:19:51 < Ecco> That's the first time I'm buying some!
2015-09-07T13:20:18 < dongs> 1L is going to last you like years
2015-09-07T13:20:38 < dongs> i bought a 2Oz zephflux bottle liek 5 years ago
2015-09-07T13:20:43 < Ecco> I also got some gel one, 10cc
2015-09-07T13:20:43 < Fleck> hey Tectu
2015-09-07T13:20:44 < dongs> its half-full only because I spilled half of it
2015-09-07T13:20:53 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-07T13:20:55 < Tectu> hey Fleck, how are you doing?
2015-09-07T13:21:00 < ReadError> its harder to meter flow w/ a syring
2015-09-07T13:21:04 < Fleck> good, thanks, you?
2015-09-07T13:21:08 < ReadError> a bottle you can place a drop easy
2015-09-07T13:21:12 < Tectu> I´m fine too!
2015-09-07T13:21:19 < Ecco> Hi Tectu :)
2015-09-07T13:21:30 < Tectu> Hey Ecco :)  Are you fine too? ;)
2015-09-07T13:21:40 < Ecco> Sure :)
2015-09-07T13:21:49 < Tectu> good :)
2015-09-07T13:22:48 < Ecco> I also purchased some additional solder
2015-09-07T13:22:58 < Ecco> I had a some Sn99Cu1
2015-09-07T13:23:04 < Ecco> and got some Sn60Pb40
2015-09-07T13:23:33 < Ecco> (with rosin core)
2015-09-07T13:23:41 < Ecco> which one would you recommend for SMD work?
2015-09-07T13:23:49 < Ecco> (and would it make a big difference anyway?)
2015-09-07T13:24:18 < Tectu> Ecco, I am a huge fan of Sn60Pb40
2015-09-07T13:24:24 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-07T13:24:44 < dongs> i only use leadfree
2015-09-07T13:25:06 < Ecco> Well, from what I understood leadfree is nicer on the environment but a bit harder to manipulate
2015-09-07T13:25:11 < Ecco> Given that I am a huge beginner…
2015-09-07T13:25:12 < Tectu> Ecco, I always use this: http://www.stannol.de/en/products/solder-wires/?tx_produktselektor_filter%5Baa_prod%5D=Kristall%20505&tx_produktselektor_filter%5Baction%5D=show&tx_produktselektor_filter%5Bcontroller%5D=Product
2015-09-07T13:25:20 < Tectu> Ecco, the 0.56mm version works very well for SMD for me
2015-09-07T13:25:25 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-07T13:25:34 < dongs> wat
2015-09-07T13:25:36 < dongs> not evne 0.3mm
2015-09-07T13:25:51 < Tectu> Ecco, definitely not the cheapest one out there but I don´t mind paying a bit more as I don´t use a roll each week
2015-09-07T13:26:07 < Tectu> Ecco, very easy to solder with that one. I can only recommend it
2015-09-07T13:26:09 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-09-07T13:26:37 < Ecco> I got this one, looks very similar: http://www.batterfly.com/shop/multicore/multicore-60en-502-5c-288606
2015-09-07T13:27:09 < Tectu> uh, mine was like 6 times that price
2015-09-07T13:27:21 < Ecco> batterfly.com is a great shop :)
2015-09-07T13:27:28 < Ecco> Very nice customer support, shipping is super fast
2015-09-07T13:27:48 < PeterM> if you are buying solder, and you want leaded, get 63/37 its eutectic
2015-09-07T13:28:04 < Ecco> huh?
2015-09-07T13:28:05 < PeterM> 60/40 is slightly cheaper but has a plastic state
2015-09-07T13:28:13 < Tectu> Ecco, http://www.distrelec.ch/en/solder-wire-sn60-pb40-500-50-mm-stannol-kristall-505-810633/p/18250026?q=stannol+kristall+505+0.5&page=2&origPageSize=25&simi=86.4
2015-09-07T13:28:34 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUBuQY4UPps
2015-09-07T13:28:37 < Tectu> Ecco, also, I never buy 500g :) 500g of solder is a shit load of solder
2015-09-07T13:28:51 < Tectu> PeterM, can you elaborate?
2015-09-07T13:29:13 < Tectu> PeterM, I learned what eutectic means in material technology crap course in uni but how does that relate to this
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2015-09-07T13:31:54 < PeterM> tectu as the solder cools, it will reach a point where it is either liquid or solid, it means that as soon as its solid, its solid, you can bump it or whatever and its fine. 60/40 is nto eutectic, it has a plastic reguion, as it cools it passes though a region where the soler is incredibly maleable(sp?) and if you bump it your join will look ugly as fuck and may not work
2015-09-07T13:31:59 < jpa-> Tectu: eutectic goes immediately from molten -> solid, so you have less time to wiggle your hands around
2015-09-07T13:32:19 < dongs> protipc
2015-09-07T13:32:46 < Tectu> I see
2015-09-07T13:33:07 < Tectu> but it is 63/37 Sn/Pb?
2015-09-07T13:33:36 < Tectu> PeterM, actually I observed that behavior several times. never thought of looking out for a different mixture
2015-09-07T13:33:46 < Tectu> PeterM, I just try not to bump my hot shit
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2015-09-07T13:34:54 < jpa-> i use Sn62 Pb36 Ag2
2015-09-07T13:35:33 < Tectu> thanks for the info, noted this down for future solder shopping
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2015-09-07T13:39:53 < PeterM> i have a few different solder alloys floating around, i've got a spool of 50/50 1.6mm stuff i use for connectors and battery tabs etc (was cheap and you dont need to feed meters of it), 0.6mm SAC305 (96.5% tin, 3%silver 0.5% copper) for lead free, 63/37 0.4mm for leaded and a roll of 0.7mm Multicore HMP (93.5% lead, 5% tin, 1.5% silver) for high temp applications
2015-09-07T13:54:23 < Ecco> Well this is actually interesting: http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/315929.pdf
2015-09-07T13:54:57 < Ecco> (Long story short, that doc says that indeed 63/37 is better than 60/40, but the difference isn't that big)
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2015-09-07T14:01:13 < xkonni> trying to send with a SX1276 board, connected via spi. it initializes and seems fine, but does not actually send. i see the carrier frequency, but no data... any ideas what i'm missing? http://i.imgur.com/znry9KH.png
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2015-09-07T14:01:27 < dongs> wat
2015-09-07T14:02:12 < xkonni> haha... talking about a http://www.semtech.com/wireless-rf/rf-transceivers/sx1276/
2015-09-07T14:03:55 < xkonni> using it in another device the result looks like: http://i.imgur.com/Xhrm0Wl.png
2015-09-07T14:04:13 < dongs> Laurenceb would be interested
2015-09-07T14:05:43 < xkonni> alright... will stare at working vs not-entirely-working code again ;)
2015-09-07T14:06:34 < xkonni> probably just didnt set one stupid flag
2015-09-07T14:12:04 < Laurenceb> 168 dB maximum link budget
2015-09-07T14:12:06 < Laurenceb> nice
2015-09-07T14:14:18 < xkonni> Laurenceb: right now i'm at: it should send, but doesnt... hrhr
2015-09-07T14:14:51 < Laurenceb> I've always used silabs
2015-09-07T14:15:07 < jpa-> xkonni: so what is at the other end? lora gateway?
2015-09-07T14:15:14 < Laurenceb> tbh I'm not convinced lora has any massive advantages
2015-09-07T14:15:38 < jpa-> Laurenceb: the prospect of operator-operated lora networks seems quite nice
2015-09-07T14:15:59 < Laurenceb> jpa-: but 2FSK is about as good
2015-09-07T14:16:09 < xkonni> jpa-: i have several, working, stm32 primer kits, now planning to use the sx1276 boards on a minnowboard
2015-09-07T14:16:23 < Laurenceb> certainly with FEC, but you can get almost the same performance with short packets and ACK
2015-09-07T14:16:48 < xkonni> as a control channel for a high-rate but not always available channel
2015-09-07T14:17:10 < xkonni> so technically this is not entirely stm32...
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2015-09-07T14:17:43 < Laurenceb> I've made a simple link with silabs a while ago
2015-09-07T14:17:59 < Laurenceb> got ~154dB link budget at 200bps
2015-09-07T14:18:24 < xkonni> actually that would be more than enough... the actual work is on the other channel
2015-09-07T14:18:38 < xkonni> just need 'some' reliable control channel and we had some of the lora boards
2015-09-07T14:19:37 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/tree/master/Silabs
2015-09-07T14:20:30 < xkonni> what frontend are you using?
2015-09-07T14:21:07 < Laurenceb> direct tie
2015-09-07T14:21:36 < xkonni> i seem to be googling it wrong
2015-09-07T14:21:42 < xkonni> can you post any device link?
2015-09-07T14:21:57 < Laurenceb> https://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/Si4430-31-32.pdf
2015-09-07T14:22:26 < xkonni> thanks
2015-09-07T14:22:44 < xkonni> yet i wonder if fixing the 'almost' working lora may not be easier
2015-09-07T14:22:56 < xkonni> well... or not... hard to say
2015-09-07T14:23:20 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/0nbuRDa.png
2015-09-07T14:25:18 < Ecco> Laurenceb: Nice! What software did you use to make this?
2015-09-07T14:25:26 < xkonni> ;) but as i said, the actual focus is something else...
2015-09-07T14:25:43 < Laurenceb> Ecco: eagle
2015-09-07T14:25:46 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-07T14:32:56 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/COS4_vXUcAEM7Br.mp4
2015-09-07T14:33:25 < Ecco> suuuure
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2015-09-07T14:41:29 < Tectu> stop dongs, bad dongs!
2015-09-07T14:44:18 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/200334916402
2015-09-07T14:44:22 < dongs> 28 sold
2015-09-07T14:44:27 < dongs> what hte fuck
2015-09-07T14:44:29 < dongs> er, 27
2015-09-07T14:44:30 < dongs> but still
2015-09-07T14:44:51 < zyp> awesome
2015-09-07T14:44:55 < zyp> fuck 4k
2015-09-07T14:44:59 < dongs> yeah
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2015-09-07T15:25:25 < dongs> Thank you for your post. Looks like I missed it earlier, sorry.
2015-09-07T15:25:25 < dongs> I believe that everything has been completed (quite some paper trail) and we are simply waiting for the compliance certificates. I had an update on friday given to me about this and that is what I was told.
2015-09-07T15:25:29 < dongs> As soon as I hear anything, I will let you know.
2015-09-07T15:25:45 < dongs> don't you already know your FCCID at this point tho?
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2015-09-07T15:28:15 < dongs> Absolutely and I apologise for the recent lack of videos. Things popped up that distracted me from my tasks. We have a few app issues and the guys have a short window to get them fixed so that jumped up the priority list quite a bit. We had 15 Zano's to fly test off the new app but the app was not being reliable in flashing and configuring the Zano's.
2015-09-07T15:28:45 < dongs> The weather is quite nice this week here (nice as in not freezing or raining) so I will be doing quite a bit of outdoor flying, testing and tuning. I even plan to use the range extender in a nice open area and get some speed up. I will video as much of this as I can and share it with you all
2015-09-07T15:30:33 < dongs> The GPS modes including follow me will be included late this week, early next week. So technically v1.1 but its so early on, we may just keep it as v1.0 and update the release number instead of the sub version.
2015-09-07T15:32:39 < dongs> The GPS code is all in the Zano OS as of right now and in all Zano's being shipped too. The difference is I haven't enabled it through configuration on those Zano's and will do so the moment I am happy it is working.
2015-09-07T15:32:43 < dongs> So functionality is completed and included right now but not enabled. There is lots of stuff disabled in the current version, things we built in ages back but we will enable them slowly over time as we test and test and test them until we are happy.
2015-09-07T15:32:48 < dongs> haha
2015-09-07T15:45:44 < dongs> nice
2015-09-07T15:45:51 < dongs> i got a workflow for stealing components from circuitmaker
2015-09-07T15:45:59 < dongs> very easy
2015-09-07T15:46:18 < zyp> but why?
2015-09-07T15:46:33 < dongs> zyp, im about to put a F407VG into a design and i wasnt gonna draw it from scratch
2015-09-07T15:46:54 < dongs> and ciiva lib is handy for this.
2015-09-07T15:47:06 < dongs> i will still use my own footprint tho
2015-09-07T15:47:14 < Ecco> Oh nice
2015-09-07T15:47:18 < Ecco> how do you do this dongs?
2015-09-07T15:47:39 < Ecco> I tried to "tap" into the ciiva library but never figured out how
2015-09-07T15:48:06 < dongs> Ecco: i ahve circuitdonger in vmware, it does cache some files locally and altium opens them.
2015-09-07T15:48:13 < Ecco> nice :)
2015-09-07T15:48:17 < dongs> so i dir/s to find the .schdoc, load into altium and copypaste component.
2015-09-07T15:48:23 < Ecco> Smart
2015-09-07T15:48:29 < Ecco> I wanted to tcpdump circuitmaker
2015-09-07T15:48:54 < Ecco> Because I'm pretty sure it's possible to add the Ciiva library into stock Altium as a "vault"
2015-09-07T15:49:08 < Ecco> s/pretty sure/believing/
2015-09-07T15:51:12 < dongs> shit, i just noticed F407 is 210DMIPS
2015-09-07T15:51:15 < dongs> almost beating zano
2015-09-07T15:51:18 < dongs> *and* has DCMI
2015-09-07T15:51:23 < dongs> and SDIO
2015-09-07T15:51:28 < dongs> dick32 has neither
2015-09-07T15:51:47 < dongs> how they're goin to write 30mbit stream of JPEG aids to SDcard withotu SDIO i have no idea
2015-09-07T15:53:46 < Laurenceb> spi
2015-09-07T15:53:47 < Laurenceb> lul
2015-09-07T15:53:57 < dongs> yeah right
2015-09-07T15:54:11 < Laurenceb> how will they do video and streaming?
2015-09-07T15:54:19 < dongs> mjpeg streaming
2015-09-07T15:54:22 < dongs> last i heard
2015-09-07T15:54:27 < dongs> ivan was thinking of running camera at 60fps
2015-09-07T15:54:33 < dongs> capturing a 320x240 image
2015-09-07T15:54:37 < dongs> then a 1080p image
2015-09-07T15:54:43 < dongs> every 1/60th frame
2015-09-07T15:54:49 < dongs> i dont think its going to work like that :)
2015-09-07T15:55:03 < dongs> ugh
2015-09-07T15:55:08 < dongs> trying to do anything in circuitmaker is PAINFUL
2015-09-07T15:55:22 < dongs> i know all the fucking key shortcuts to do all the stuff in altidong but i ahve to spend hours looking at the dumb ribbon
2015-09-07T15:55:26 < dongs> to find same shit in circuitdonger
2015-09-07T15:56:06 < Laurenceb> more like bitchmaker
2015-09-07T15:56:10 < Laurenceb> it makes you its bitch
2015-09-07T15:57:45 < mtbg> they have some bigger plans
2015-09-07T15:57:46 < mtbg> Expected through software updates:
2015-09-07T15:57:46 < mtbg> [1.2] Tracking of a set target through image processing
2015-09-07T15:57:46 < mtbg> [1.2] Facial recognition capability
2015-09-07T15:57:47 < mtbg> [1.2] 360 and 180 degree Panoramics
2015-09-07T15:58:01 < scrts_w> what's the last update from zano?
2015-09-07T15:58:41 < Laurenceb> hahah WTF
2015-09-07T15:59:05 < Laurenceb> they are on crack
2015-09-07T15:59:13 < dongs> manchild dreams
2015-09-07T15:59:22 < dongs> they think if they throw money on something, it will happen
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2015-09-07T16:05:27 < dongs> ugh fml
2015-09-07T16:05:36 < dongs> current "work" firmware
2015-09-07T16:05:47 < dongs> unit uptime, hours, uint16_t
2015-09-07T16:05:54 < dongs> unit uptime, minutes, uint8_t
2015-09-07T16:05:59 < dongs> ...
2015-09-07T16:06:32 < dongs> so the shit is literally stored as like hhhh:mm
2015-09-07T16:07:29 < mtbg> still better than two digits for year in some rtcs in old motherboards
2015-09-07T16:10:28 < Laurenceb> omg millenium bug
2015-09-07T16:13:43 < mtbg> :>
2015-09-07T16:14:13 < mtbg> did the world as we know ended then?
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2015-09-07T16:32:40 < __rob2> love to see a kickstarter that massively overdelivers on the promise
2015-09-07T16:32:46 < __rob2> everything I've back has been dissapointing
2015-09-07T16:32:51 < __rob2> backed*
2015-09-07T16:35:27 < __rob2> dongs, you use Altium ?
2015-09-07T16:36:11 < dongs> sure
2015-09-07T16:36:37 < __rob2> how do you deal with overlapping thermals ?
2015-09-07T16:36:55 < __rob2> so I have a few vias close to each other, and the thermal cut outs overlap and create a right mess
2015-09-07T16:37:38 < dongs> er, define "overlapping"? i have vias in epads but they're like some spaces apart
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2015-09-07T16:37:57 < __rob2> well yea, these are quite close
2015-09-07T16:38:04 < dongs> can your pcb place even drill that close
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2015-09-07T16:38:15 < dongs> i forget waht my drc is, uts something like 20mil between holes
2015-09-07T16:38:33 < __rob2> this is 40 mil
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2015-09-07T16:38:50 < __rob2> hang on.. screenshot
2015-09-07T16:38:52 < dongs> okay, so where's the problem? if you drop a via and assign it to a net (same net as the pour/wahtever near it) then it just works
2015-09-07T16:38:55 < __rob2> http://snag.gy/zrisw.jpg
2015-09-07T16:38:59 < dongs> don't forget to tent mask on both ends
2015-09-07T16:39:07 < dongs> oh that stuff
2015-09-07T16:39:08 < __rob2> this kind of nonsense on the power plane
2015-09-07T16:39:10 < dongs> thats on plane layer?
2015-09-07T16:39:14 < dongs> you can turn that off uhh
2015-09-07T16:39:21 < __rob2> well yea, I know I can disable thermals
2015-09-07T16:39:25 < dongs> no, not that
2015-09-07T16:39:28 < dongs> you can turn off the weirdness
2015-09-07T16:39:34 < __rob2> ohhh!
2015-09-07T16:39:35 < __rob2> wtf
2015-09-07T16:39:42 < __rob2> why do they disable it by default..
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2015-09-07T16:39:58 < __rob2> do you know where the option is ?
2015-09-07T16:40:04 < dongs> yeah im checking
2015-09-07T16:40:06 < dongs> i know ive seen it
2015-09-07T16:40:13 < __rob2> hehe.. the maze of altium menus
2015-09-07T16:43:21 < scrts_w> __rob2: go to the options and choose DIRECT CONNECT
2015-09-07T16:43:26 < scrts_w> for the power planes
2015-09-07T16:44:06 < dongs> yeah thats not wat he wants
2015-09-07T16:44:20 < dongs> there is a setting that optimizes those areas and makes them look less ass
2015-09-07T16:44:25 < dongs> i have seen it, i am failing to find it again
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2015-09-07T16:47:25 < dongs> oh, found
2015-09-07T16:47:28 < dongs> it was in DRC
2015-09-07T16:47:29 < dongs> Thermals are connections to the plane with thermal relief 'cutouts' around them to reduce heat conductivity to the plane copper. Thermals can become 'starved' when the surface area of the copper spokes connecting it to the plane is reduced by void areas. This rule also checks the surface area for the thermal (not just the spokes) against any voids areas that encroach into the thermal.
2015-09-07T16:47:36 < dongs> but thats an error, not anything you can "fix".
2015-09-07T16:48:10 < dongs> i think you better just set stuff to direct connect and forget it :)
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2015-09-07T16:49:22 < __rob2> yea, I've done that before, want to reflow this board though
2015-09-07T16:49:35 < __rob2> in an oven
2015-09-07T16:49:54 < __rob2> never had a problem doing it by hand before, but this has some bga bits on it..
2015-09-07T16:49:58 < __rob2> no idea how well that works without thermals
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2015-09-07T16:50:29 < dongs> well
2015-09-07T16:50:32 < dongs> i have a proper reflow oven
2015-09-07T16:50:37 < dongs> and I've done many 4L and some 6L boards in it
2015-09-07T16:50:41 < dongs> and i always direct connect
2015-09-07T16:50:47 < __rob2> ok, thats really good to know
2015-09-07T16:50:59 < dongs> but i duno how it would affect "ghetto" reflow oven.
2015-09-07T16:51:02 < dongs> probably not much.
2015-09-07T16:51:09 < __rob2> to be honest that is totally shit that altium has no algorithm to compensate for overlaps like that
2015-09-07T16:51:19 < dongs> heh heh
2015-09-07T16:51:24 < dongs> it does for regular planes
2015-09-07T16:51:27 < dongs> you can do dead copper removal
2015-09-07T16:51:32 < dongs> but not for split planes for some rasron
2015-09-07T16:51:33 < dongs> reason
2015-09-07T16:51:35 < __rob2> also get loads of isolated sliver errors which you then have to patch out one by one if you want it to build clean
2015-09-07T16:51:48 < dongs> sliver trash just disable that drc dude
2015-09-07T16:52:01 < __rob2> yea - have done :)
2015-09-07T16:52:23 < __rob2> still anooying they put errors in there that their own shit will cause every time
2015-09-07T16:53:42 < __rob2> http://www.mentor.com/pcb/multimedia/overview/sketch-routing-0ddda743-7843-4867-83e7-70f7cddbc593
2015-09-07T16:53:47 < __rob2> bet this doesn't have that problem
2015-09-07T16:54:05 < dongs> saw that
2015-09-07T16:54:09 < dongs> fuck mental graphics tho
2015-09-07T16:54:11 < __rob2> 200 or so traces is 2 minutes and it looks amazing
2015-09-07T16:55:10 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/fR0gjl4.png
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2015-09-07T17:02:32 < dongs> GD32 arrives tomrorw
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2015-09-07T17:02:46 < dongs> im out in the morning, will be back in afternoon to dick with it
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2015-09-07T17:04:12 < mtbg> btw, seems like rtl8189 sdio wifi is provided by realtek with os independent driver source
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2015-09-07T17:04:29 < mtbg> I've seen that thing on aliexpress: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/FREE-SHIPPING-STM32-GD32-WIFI-rtl8189-Serial-interface-module-without-antenna/32264956014.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.25.xwDmht&ws_ab_test=201407_2,201444_6,201409_5
2015-09-07T17:04:52 < mtbg> and wondered how they get specs to that chip
2015-09-07T17:05:03 < mtbg> but there is already os-abstract driver on github
2015-09-07T17:05:19 < mtbg> https://github.com/LingYunZhi/rtl8189es
2015-09-07T17:05:24 < dongs> lolwat
2015-09-07T17:05:26 < dongs> weird
2015-09-07T17:05:40 < dongs> wha is rt8189? single chip wifi thing?
2015-09-07T17:05:46 < mtbg> seems so
2015-09-07T17:06:39 < dongs> Note:Provide RF 6052 series relative API.
2015-09-07T17:06:41 < dongs> 6052??
2015-09-07T17:07:01 < dongs> so is that a xpicowifi killer
2015-09-07T17:10:04 < dongs> oh haha
2015-09-07T17:10:10 < dongs> dont even needto copypaste component from circuitmaker
2015-09-07T17:10:14 < dongs> there's a vaule cache dir
2015-09-07T17:10:17 < __rob2> btw, what reflow over do you have dongs ?
2015-09-07T17:10:19 < dongs> er vault cache
2015-09-07T17:10:20 < __rob2> oven*
2015-09-07T17:10:42 < dongs> F4N
2015-09-07T17:10:44 < dongs> some chinaspecial
2015-09-07T17:10:54 < __rob2> how much was it ?
2015-09-07T17:11:01 < dongs> er like 3k or something i forget
2015-09-07T17:11:12 < __rob2> ahh right, so not too crappy
2015-09-07T17:11:13 < dongs> http://torchchina.en.made-in-china.com/offer/eMwmSKEjfPRV/Sell-Intelligent-Nitrogen-Lead-Free-Reflow-Oven-F4n.html ~this thing, tho i think there's some clones or something
2015-09-07T17:11:32 < dongs> minei s like from SMTVIP heh
2015-09-07T17:11:34 < dongs> logo
2015-09-07T17:11:44 < __rob2> i bought an ebay special $150 one
2015-09-07T17:11:52 < __rob2> if it doesn't set the place on fire it will be a win
2015-09-07T17:11:59 < dongs> yeah i have that one, it literally crisped up some of my boards
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2015-09-07T17:12:09 < __rob2> some guy has re written firmware for it
2015-09-07T17:12:16 < dongs> right that one
2015-09-07T17:12:18 < __rob2> and has a few mods for temperature control
2015-09-07T17:12:21 < dongs> T962
2015-09-07T17:12:23 < dongs> or whatnot
2015-09-07T17:12:23 < __rob2> thought it was worth a go
2015-09-07T17:12:26 < __rob2> yuup
2015-09-07T17:12:28 < __rob2> thats the one
2015-09-07T17:12:29 < dongs> its in my storage
2015-09-07T17:12:34 < __rob2> did you do the mod ?
2015-09-07T17:12:34 < dongs> not touching ;d
2015-09-07T17:12:43 < dongs> ha no, i dont have time to fuck around, i have work to do
2015-09-07T17:12:51 < dongs> if I cant reflow, i dont get paid, so the choice is clear
2015-09-07T17:13:00 < Sync> ^
2015-09-07T17:13:21 < __rob2> looks like 1 TO92 to solder on then load the firmware
2015-09-07T17:13:28 < dongs> ya
2015-09-07T17:13:34 < dongs> ive seen the page, thats as far as I went with it
2015-09-07T17:13:35 < __rob2> reckon I can do that in an hour
2015-09-07T17:13:41 < dongs> looking forward to your blogging about results
2015-09-07T17:13:45 < __rob2> haha
2015-09-07T17:13:48 < dongs> have a fire extinghusher ready.
2015-09-07T17:14:14 < __rob2> gotta be better then a dewalt heatgun
2015-09-07T17:14:22 < __rob2> (origianlly bought for stripping some paint)
2015-09-07T17:15:04 < __rob2> did cross my mind that it could work
2015-09-07T17:16:59 < dongs> anyway, t962 will do 4L if you place it very carefully in teh center
2015-09-07T17:17:06 < __rob2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eQB83aufkg
2015-09-07T17:17:07 < dongs> just don't expect to make anything > 8x8cm or so
2015-09-07T17:17:09 < __rob2> this gave me some hope
2015-09-07T17:17:30 < __rob2> no, i heard its covered in hotspots
2015-09-07T17:17:46 < __rob2> really dont mind on small runs having to fix the board, as long as the bga's all reflow
2015-09-07T17:17:59 < __rob2> I can hand populate any tqfp and 0603's
2015-09-07T17:19:09 < dongs> enough innovation for today, bedtime
2015-09-07T17:20:24 < BrainDamage> dongs biking home: https://i.imgur.com/BrBkGl2.gif
2015-09-07T17:26:46 < Laurenceb> https://veuwer.com/i/34su.jpg
2015-09-07T17:26:58 < Laurenceb> lulz
2015-09-07T17:27:26 < ReadError> he looks so fat and dumb
2015-09-07T17:28:09 < Laurenceb> protip: look to the right
2015-09-07T17:28:27 < ReadError> maybe hes using wifi
2015-09-07T17:28:39 < Laurenceb> macfag
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2015-09-07T17:46:38 < Ecco> *old macfag
2015-09-07T17:46:43 < Ecco> That shit is like 5 years old
2015-09-07T17:46:56 < Ecco> (I'm not talking about the fat asian)
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2015-09-07T18:20:12 < upgrdman> sup
2015-09-07T18:23:09 < scrts_w> oh jeez, again?
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2015-09-07T20:24:55 < Ecco> Quick question : is there any public domain implementation of idivmod?
2015-09-07T20:25:25 < Ecco> (IOW, what code does GCC produce when you use a modulo in your C code for ARM?)
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2015-09-07T20:35:36 < karlp> you test that yourself with the code you care about.
2015-09-07T20:35:56 < karlp> also "arm" is a pretty broad area, even in this channel, there's cortex m0, m0+, m3, m4, and m7.
2015-09-07T20:37:03 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-09-07T20:37:23 < Ecco> I meant "where does the code produced by GCC come from?"
2015-09-07T20:41:12 < upgrdman> Ecco, someone on your hdd. if you use an ide, right click on a lib function and choose "open definition" or equiv
2015-09-07T20:41:17 < upgrdman> somewhere*
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2015-09-07T20:50:16 < BorgCuba> hi, I am using newlib and calling fgetc(stdin) in my program. I also implemented _read and it seems like fgetc initiates a call to _read with len=1024. Whats the expected behaviour of read?
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2015-09-07T20:53:36 < PaulFertser> BorgCuba: see e.g. http://www.embecosm.com/appnotes/ean9/ean9-howto-newlib-1.0.html
2015-09-07T20:55:47 < BorgCuba> PaulFertser, I read it. Seems like for that one specific device a '\n' is the only case returning < len bytes
2015-09-07T20:56:36 < BorgCuba> but why does fgetc result in read 1024 bytes?
2015-09-07T20:56:49 < Steffann> You need to set the stream to unbuffered maybe with setbuf ?
2015-09-07T20:56:49 < BorgCuba> nonblocking input?
2015-09-07T20:57:21 < Steffann> (or setvbuf)
2015-09-07T20:58:09 < jpa-> yeah, newlib buffers by default
2015-09-07T20:58:25 < jpa-> what is expected of _read is to read atleast 1 byte and return when it feels like returning
2015-09-07T20:58:56 < jpa-> on lunix it typically feels like returning after linefeed
2015-09-07T20:59:37 < BorgCuba> okay, then I will implement it like this
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2015-09-07T21:19:15 < mtbg> well, in linux read() returns probably as soon as there is something available on fd and awaiting more data would block
2015-09-07T21:20:57 < mtbg> that buffering until linefeed is just a tty thing which is a property of 'canonical' tty mode
2015-09-07T21:22:04 < jpa-> actually in non-tty mode it probably returns only after full request amount is filled
2015-09-07T21:24:10 < mtbg> typical event-driven model with select/poll in main loop expects that if select/poll indicates something available on fd, then one subsequent read() on it will not block
2015-09-07T21:24:59 < jpa-> i wonder if that requires setting non-blocking mode
2015-09-07T21:25:54 < BorgCuba> I thought so too (block until len bytes are read).
2015-09-07T21:26:23 < mtbg> Under Linux, select() may report a socket file descriptor as "ready for reading", while nevertheless a subsequent read blocks.  This could for example happen when data has arrived but upon examination has  wrong  checksum  and  is  dis‐
2015-09-07T21:26:27 < mtbg>  carded.  There may be other circumstance in which a file descriptor is spuriously reported as ready.  Thus it may be safer to use O_NONBLOCK on sockets that shouled not block.
2015-09-07T21:27:05 < mtbg> unnecessary blocking would affect responsiveness
2015-09-07T21:31:10 < mtbg> file streams in C have also their own buffer
2015-09-07T21:32:10 < mtbg> so that for example it is possible to implement fgets without having to discard data from subsequent line and rewind file
2015-09-07T21:33:38 < mtbg> after that _read call from fgetc(), all of the bytes except first one are going to be appended to file buffer in libc
2015-09-07T21:34:23 < mtbg> and first one will be returned by fgetc
2015-09-07T21:34:43 < BorgCuba> same behaviour on my linux machine, blocks until '\r' is received
2015-09-07T21:35:08 < mtbg> since tty :>
2015-09-07T21:36:54 < BorgCuba> probably, this is what I get: http://pastebin.com/30zekKmH
2015-09-07T21:39:07 < mtbg> struct termios tty_opts; tcgetattr(0, &tty_opts); tty_opts.c_lflag &= ~ICANON; tcsetattr(0, TCSANOW, &tty_opts);
2015-09-07T21:39:17 < mtbg> and #include <termios.h>
2015-09-07T21:42:22 < BorgCuba> thank you mtbg
2015-09-07T21:48:33 < dekar> Is it correct that I can't run an STM32F429 in overdrive mode if I want to use USB at the same time? Also what's up with PLLSAI? According to the ST samples you can use the Serial Audio Interface PLL for USB as well.
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2015-09-07T22:37:16 < upgrdman> is reddit down for you guys too?
2015-09-07T22:39:50 < BorgCuba> upgrdman, no
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2015-09-07T23:10:10 < mitrax> on a board with an STM32F4 i want to switch on/off some of the peripherals (SDRAM / SDCARD) when the cpu is asleep, i have a GPIO extender with very low consumption that i'd use to toggle them, should i use a high side driver with a P channel FET or will a low side driver with a N channel FET do?
2015-09-07T23:10:19 < mitrax> i'm guessing the N channel is it a bad idea since the SDRAM may power up through other pins set to a low state or something
2015-09-07T23:10:39 < mitrax> err is it a / IS a bad idea
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2015-09-07T23:44:39 < zyp> mitrax, you'll want high side switching
2015-09-07T23:44:50 < zyp> disconnecting ground is a bad idea
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2015-09-07T23:45:36 < mitrax> zyp: that's what i suspected, thanks
2015-09-07T23:46:35 < zyp> also, does a sdram even consume much power when it doesn't get any activity?
2015-09-07T23:46:50 < mitrax> 7mA or so
2015-09-07T23:47:54 < mitrax> i may use this board with a LCD for a battery powered app, so that's too much
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2015-09-08T00:04:56 < Taxman> zyp: Much :(
2015-09-08T00:05:22 < zyp> very power
2015-09-08T00:05:48 < Taxman> one can put the sdram in a self refresh and a power down mode
2015-09-08T00:06:10 < mitrax> well i power down mode the chip i'm using still eats 7mA
2015-09-08T00:06:15 < mitrax> err in power down mode
2015-09-08T00:06:28 < zyp> that sounds like a lot
2015-09-08T00:06:59 < Taxman> but just in active state with no reads/writes the power dissipation can be felt by hand
2015-09-08T00:07:03 < Taxman> finger
2015-09-08T00:07:18 < Taxman> sdram was not made for power saving
2015-09-08T00:08:09 < Taxman> i do not know how much lpsdram is consuming, but it needs a much lower vdd
2015-09-08T00:08:38 < mitrax> oh wait
2015-09-08T00:09:02 < mitrax> there's precharge standby current and active standby current
2015-09-08T00:09:10 < Taxman> where?
2015-09-08T00:09:29 < mitrax> hold on
2015-09-08T00:09:57 < Taxman> i do
2015-09-08T00:11:19 < mitrax> http://download.unfiltered.net/is42s.png
2015-09-08T00:11:48 < mitrax> i guess i should have been looking at IDD2PS
2015-09-08T00:19:33 < Taxman> have you measured this 2mA?
2015-09-08T00:19:39 < mitrax> nope
2015-09-08T00:20:01 < Taxman> ah i read it.. 7mA
2015-09-08T00:20:22 < mitrax> my mistake, it's 6 not 7
2015-09-08T00:31:11 < Taxman> mitrax: i think it should be possible to put it in a 2mA mode, as i understand the datasheet. but i have not tried it
2015-09-08T00:31:23 < zyp> heh, I ordered some shit from farnell
2015-09-08T00:31:38 < zyp> apparently they've shipped it to me now, while billing a completely different company
2015-09-08T00:32:06 < Taxman> hehe
2015-09-08T00:32:20 < mitrax> taxman: yeah, i'll give it a try, thanks
2015-09-08T00:35:21 < Taxman> :)
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2015-09-08T01:05:06 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcEtiaXl0MmZqalk/view?usp=sharing slowly
2015-09-08T01:05:30 < kakimir> drilling that db9 a perfect hole will be interesting
2015-09-08T01:11:42 < dongs> BrainDamage: that pic is older than hitler
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2015-09-08T01:20:12 < upgrdman> kakimir, "swiss cheese" the a hole, then use a needle file to shape it
2015-09-08T01:20:20 < upgrdman> *the hole
2015-09-08T01:20:24 < upgrdman> lol, not the a hole
2015-09-08T01:22:26 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-08T01:22:39 < kakimir> just got diamont file set
2015-09-08T01:22:45 < kakimir> little things
2015-09-08T01:23:12 < Sync> diamond files are not really the right thing
2015-09-08T01:23:19 < Sync> just get a small needle file set
2015-09-08T01:24:08 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-New-Metal-Glass-Stone-Needle-Files-Set-Jewelers-Diamond-Carving-Craft-Tool-/271611300214?hash=item3f3d4b8976
2015-09-08T01:24:13 < kakimir> I have this
2015-09-08T01:25:51 < kakimir> has already been useful
2015-09-08T01:33:51 < karlp> Sync: what's the difference?
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2015-09-08T01:38:12 < Sync> karlp: diamonds usually have poor material removal rates
2015-09-08T01:41:38 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-08T01:42:23 < kakimir> do you have ultrasonic cleaners guys?
2015-09-08T01:43:22 < kakimir> wondering if it would be useful for defluxing among cleaning everything else too
2015-09-08T01:43:48 < Sync> some components will fail if you do that to them
2015-09-08T01:44:13 < kakimir> crystals?
2015-09-08T01:44:23 < Sync> yeah
2015-09-08T01:44:32 < karlp> Sync: thanks for the info...
2015-09-08T01:44:50 < kakimir> also wondering if same frequency works with hydrocarbon solvents too
2015-09-08T01:45:25 < kakimir> as it is based on cavitation
2015-09-08T01:46:11 < Sync> also if you use diamond on steel you will have no diamond left karlp
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2015-09-08T01:47:48 < kakimir> ?
2015-09-08T01:49:32 < Sync> well what is diamond made of?
2015-09-08T01:51:39 < Sync> carbon is soluble in iron, so machining ferritic materials with it is not advised
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2015-09-08T01:54:18 < kakimir> crazy
2015-09-08T01:55:58 < Sync> why would that be crazy?
2015-09-08T02:00:56 < kakimir> you say diamond melts into steel
2015-09-08T02:01:17 < kakimir> not just in theory
2015-09-08T02:02:06 < Sync> it does not melt
2015-09-08T02:02:14 < Sync> it goes into solution
2015-09-08T02:02:55 < Sync> also diamond does not melt, it desintegrates at high temperatures into carbon
2015-09-08T02:03:14 < Sync> which in turn goes into solution
2015-09-08T02:03:40 < kakimir> diamonds are forever
2015-09-08T02:03:54 < Sync> not if they burn up
2015-09-08T02:07:33 < Sync> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWpm6_Y7ASI karlp
2015-09-08T02:07:48 < Sync> gah fuck
2015-09-08T02:07:51 < Sync> kakimir
2015-09-08T02:08:04 < karlp> well, I asked as well :)
2015-09-08T02:08:43 < karlp> oxygen's awesome, just about everything burns with enough oxy
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2015-09-08T02:09:28 < karlp> cool video, that's saved to the science list
2015-09-08T02:09:46 < kakimir> they are ruining glass pipe
2015-09-08T02:10:23 < Sync> quartz
2015-09-08T02:10:59 < kakimir> ruininh it
2015-09-08T02:11:07 < kakimir> must be expensive
2015-09-08T02:11:13 < Sync> nah
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2015-09-08T02:24:52 < kakimir> I don't have chem gear because I find only one use for it
2015-09-08T02:31:33 < Sync> making bongs out of it?
2015-09-08T02:36:37 < kakimir> making contraband and loads of it
2015-09-08T02:40:11 < kakimir> in chemistry my imagination runs short
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2015-09-08T03:36:58 < upgrdman> are there any benefits for a language that is interpreted instead of compiled?
2015-09-08T03:37:54 < zyp> in what sense? any language can be interpreted
2015-09-08T03:40:13 < upgrdman> well like python
2015-09-08T03:40:25 < upgrdman> why would you even *want* to be interpreted?
2015-09-08T03:40:41 < upgrdman> compiled is faster. JIT is a compromise.
2015-09-08T03:42:40 < zyp> flexibility
2015-09-08T03:43:12 < upgrdman> aside from cross-platform, what kind of flex?
2015-09-08T03:43:25 < zyp> dynamic typing
2015-09-08T03:43:37 < upgrdman> hmmm ok
2015-09-08T03:44:33 < zyp> in python, an identifier can point to anything, you don't know beforehand what type it would be and thus what to do about it
2015-09-08T03:48:02 < __rob2> python does compile to their python bytecode ahead of time
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2015-09-08T03:48:27 < zyp> yes, but that's different
2015-09-08T03:51:50 < __rob2> upgrdman, pythons pretty handy when you want to develop something quickly
2015-09-08T03:52:07 < __rob2> recompiling can slow things down alot if you want to iterate fast
2015-09-08T03:53:54 < __rob2> one thing I found really handy was for quickly making an opengl viewport for something. I had a Qt Opengl viewport, where the draw function eval'd a python script
2015-09-08T03:54:18 < __rob2> so I could write the opengl in the script in realtime, as soon as I saved see the result
2015-09-08T03:55:33 < __rob2> couldn't really do that with c++ or something
2015-09-08T03:56:53 < zyp> sure you can
2015-09-08T03:58:52 < __rob2> you'd have to recompile each time
2015-09-08T04:05:43 < zyp> that's not fundamentally different from the python file being reparsed each time
2015-09-08T04:06:02 < __rob2> no, its not
2015-09-08T04:06:10 < __rob2> but it takes 100th of a second or whatever
2015-09-08T04:06:23 < __rob2> and I instantly see my camera move, my light change colour or whatever
2015-09-08T04:06:46 < __rob2> it doesn't have to recompile, relink and restart the process each time to see a small change
2015-09-08T04:07:20 < __rob2> was just a random example of where I found python pretty neat
2015-09-08T04:08:42 < zyp> idk, it wouldn't be very hard to make something that compiles a c++ file into a dynamic lib, links it into a running process, calls a function from it, and unlinks it again
2015-09-08T04:08:48 < zyp> which would be rather similar to eval-ing python
2015-09-08T04:09:00 < __rob2> no doubt itss possible
2015-09-08T04:09:10 < __rob2> but this took me an hour from nothing to the viewport I wanted
2015-09-08T04:09:52 < __rob2> just saying its fast to test something out in a fraction of the time
2015-09-08T04:11:13 < zyp> idk, making something to build and execute a function from a .so can't take that much longer than making something to eval python code
2015-09-08T04:11:18 < __rob2> I had to create 2 files, about 20 lines of python and I was ready to go in 10 minutes
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2015-09-08T04:12:04 < zyp> sounds about as long time as it'll take to write something using dlopen/dlsym/dlclose
2015-09-08T04:13:01 < upgrdman> __rob2, thanks. python was just a random example. im neither for or against. never coded in py
2015-09-08T04:13:02 < __rob2> aright
2015-09-08T04:13:18 < __rob2> well each to their own zyp
2015-09-08T04:13:28 < __rob2> I prototype in python
2015-09-08T04:14:11 < zyp> I'm not saying I don't use python, I'm just saying you could do something similar in C++
2015-09-08T04:14:28 < __rob2> no one is arguing possibilities, just utility and speed
2015-09-08T04:15:00 < zyp> the advantages of python is not in that you don't have to compile code before you can run it
2015-09-08T04:15:18 < __rob2> one other thing, the second you want to do something with your solution, you then need to link in some more libs, edit the make file etc.. etc..
2015-09-08T04:15:19 < zyp> well, actually, the interactive console is kinda there
2015-09-08T04:15:24 < __rob2> with the above, I just add an import numpy
2015-09-08T04:15:30 < __rob2> or whatever
2015-09-08T04:15:39 < __rob2> and I'm away ..
2015-09-08T04:16:16 < __rob2> its and advantage to me..
2015-09-08T04:16:58 < __rob2> if your writing algorithms, its nice to get a result quickly
2015-09-08T04:17:18 < __rob2> once I have it working, then I go write in c++
2015-09-08T04:17:19 < zyp> you're making it sound like compiling is slow
2015-09-08T04:17:34 < __rob2> if its 3 seconds
2015-09-08T04:17:45 < zyp> why would it be three seconds?
2015-09-08T04:17:53 < __rob2> thats about 2.9 seconds too long when I want to quickly iterate
2015-09-08T04:18:32 < __rob2> to be fair, I use visual studio :)
2015-09-08T04:19:18 < __rob2> it always at least 3 second, even for an empty main
2015-09-08T04:19:53 < upgrdman> > visual studio
2015-09-08T04:19:54 < upgrdman> fail
2015-09-08T04:20:02 < upgrdman> ;)
2015-09-08T04:20:08 < __rob2> dunno, as an ide is pretty awesome
2015-09-08T04:21:22 < __rob2> the profiler puts little fire icons by your broken algorithm
2015-09-08T04:21:25 < __rob2> if thats not a win I dont know what is
2015-09-08T04:22:08 < upgrdman> neat
2015-09-08T04:22:38 < upgrdman> "why is __rob2 writing O(n^4) algorithms"
2015-09-08T04:22:48 < upgrdman> fire away
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2015-09-08T04:36:49 < upgrdman> visual studio is free too
2015-09-08T04:36:58 < upgrdman> you stupid russian faggot
2015-09-08T04:38:04 < upgrdman> 3 seconds to compile an empty main() ? gay.
2015-09-08T04:38:25 < upgrdman> microsoft is probably using those 3 seconds to mine buttcoins with your pc
2015-09-08T04:39:29 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-09-08T04:47:18 < kakimir> open sores :*)
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2015-09-08T05:51:18 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://imgur.com/OegQ8LG
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2015-09-08T05:57:00 < timemob> hello dongs
2015-09-08T05:57:32 < timemob> did orcad crash on you
2015-09-08T05:57:39 < upgrdman> R2COM, inorite
2015-09-08T05:58:02 < PeterM> (Video in comments)
2015-09-08T05:58:07 < PeterM> fuckin wut
2015-09-08T05:58:31 < upgrdman> PeterM, LOL i didnt even notice that text
2015-09-08T05:59:45 < upgrdman> PeterM, video is of the clean up. if you want to see it:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIfk9e1Wxic&feature=youtu.be
2015-09-08T05:59:52 < PeterM> no tanks
2015-09-08T06:00:39 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-09-08T06:22:24 < upgrdman> anyone here understand the language spoken in holland? what is this teacher saying?  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=75b_1441279258
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2015-09-08T06:26:19 < upgrdman> i figured as much, but was not sure
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2015-09-08T06:39:44 < upgrdman> its 12:40am in .jp ... he is probably asleep
2015-09-08T06:40:46 < zyp> uh, no
2015-09-08T06:40:54 < PeterM> hes probably on his mobile phone
2015-09-08T06:40:57 < zyp> it's 12:40pm
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2015-09-08T06:49:04 < timemob> driving
2015-09-08T06:50:20 < timemob> ya its noon/1pm
2015-09-08T06:50:22 < zyp> http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2015/September/02/Lawyer-gets-FAA-to-approve-paper-airplane
2015-09-08T06:52:43 < upgrdman> oops. forgot to swap AM and PM. doh.
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2015-09-08T07:09:57 < timemob> huh I passed through 3 tunnels and didn't get dropped
2015-09-08T07:10:40 < zyp> hardcore IRC
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2015-09-08T07:15:41 < AndChat|82929> dongs
2015-09-08T07:15:49 < AndChat|82929> what a gay nick
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2015-09-08T07:20:49 < jubatus> http://nation.com.pk/international/22-Aug-2015/16-hiv-diagnosed-is-fighters-to-become-suicide-bombers
2015-09-08T07:21:14 < dongs> hm
2015-09-08T07:21:19 < dongs> i got something from TOM LIU and i have no idea wat it is
2015-09-08T07:21:29 < dongs> by dhl..
2015-09-08T07:21:30 < dongs> hmm
2015-09-08T07:21:30 < jubatus> show it to a doctor
2015-09-08T07:21:46 < dongs> oh fuck
2015-09-08T07:21:47 < dongs> i know
2015-09-08T07:22:29 < dongs> clone wii drum
2015-09-08T07:22:34 < dongs> hopefully works better htan original
2015-09-08T07:22:44 < dongs> and if not i can use the shell for testing accelerometer-based one
2015-09-08T07:24:52 < zyp> I ordered some shit from farnell yesterday, haven't ordered from them before so I had to register
2015-09-08T07:25:34 < zyp> somehow they've fucked up and attached me to the billing account of a completely different company, so they've shipped the shit I ordered to me, without billing me
2015-09-08T07:25:43 < emeb_mac> kewl
2015-09-08T07:25:52 < dongs> sounds like you should just keep quiet
2015-09-08T07:26:03 < dongs> and order more shit before they notice
2015-09-08T07:26:16 < emeb_mac> like that guy in Vietnam who was buying stuff for free from Mouser and reselling it at slightly lower prices back to US customers.
2015-09-08T07:26:23 < zyp> haha, no, I already mailed them
2015-09-08T07:26:27 < emeb_mac> because he'd hacked their website.
2015-09-08T07:27:03 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, link to story?
2015-09-08T07:27:22 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: 3rd hand info
2015-09-08T07:27:25 < emeb_mac> no linky
2015-09-08T07:27:48 < upgrdman> o
2015-09-08T07:32:01 < dongs> er
2015-09-08T07:32:09 < dongs> does stm mac need reference 25mhz clock
2015-09-08T07:32:10 < dongs> from phy?
2015-09-08T07:32:14 < dongs> "need"
2015-09-08T07:32:48 < emeb_mac> yes
2015-09-08T07:32:52 < dongs> hm
2015-09-08T07:32:55 < dongs> and if this phy doesnt have it?
2015-09-08T07:32:58 < emeb_mac> or 50MHz if RMII
2015-09-08T07:33:11 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/dp83848j has no 25mhz clcokout?
2015-09-08T07:34:38 < emeb_mac> I think zyp used that part before
2015-09-08T07:34:44 < zyp> dongs, for RMII there must be a common 50MHz clock between the MAC and the PHY, it varies who provides it
2015-09-08T07:34:50 < zyp> emeb_mac, no, I used the micrel part
2015-09-08T07:35:01 < emeb_mac> oh, right
2015-09-08T07:35:07 < dongs> zyp, yeah, soyou mean i can feed 50mhz into phy from stm32 then?
2015-09-08T07:35:10 < zyp> that one looks like the one that I got with my waveshare board
2015-09-08T07:35:20 < dongs> no wavesahre is C
2015-09-08T07:35:23 < dongs> the tqfp package
2015-09-08T07:35:28 < dongs> J is qfn and a lot cheaper
2015-09-08T07:35:32 < emeb_mac> I think that's the same one that ST uses on their devboards
2015-09-08T07:35:34 < zyp> IIRC waveshare board have a 50mhz oscillator that feeds both PHY and MAC
2015-09-08T07:35:43 < emeb_mac> check their UM ckt
2015-09-08T07:36:15 < zyp> while the micrel PHY I used makes 50MHz and feeds the MAC from the PHY
2015-09-08T07:36:20 < emeb_mac> zyp:  correct - I kanged the waveshare ckt - it taps the osc out to both the PHY and MCU
2015-09-08T07:36:49 < zyp> either way, you need to feed the MAC in the stm32 from somewhere
2015-09-08T07:37:03 < dongs> can I just use some timer output to do 50mhz?
2015-09-08T07:37:09 < dongs> or is that too hax
2015-09-08T07:37:44 < emeb_mac> might work, but if it's jittery that would hurt
2015-09-08T07:38:00 < dongs> so just stick a 50mhz xtal on it?
2015-09-08T07:38:03 < dongs> oscillator
2015-09-08T07:38:07 < emeb_mac> that's what I did
2015-09-08T07:39:28 < zyp> yeah
2015-09-08T07:40:56 < dongs> clock is ETH_MDC?
2015-09-08T07:41:25 < dongs> er seems no
2015-09-08T07:41:29 < dongs> i should probly read before asking dumb
2015-09-08T07:41:59 < dongs> ETH_RMII_REF_CLK
2015-09-08T07:42:00 < dongs> that
2015-09-08T07:42:00 < dongs> k
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2015-09-08T08:05:05 < upgrdman> any regex pros in here? is it possible to use a regex to check if a string doesn't contain x's after a y? but x's before the y are fine.
2015-09-08T08:05:29 < upgrdman> xxxy is fine. xy is fine. xyx is not.
2015-09-08T08:07:51 < zyp> sure
2015-09-08T08:08:35 < zyp> but can't you just match on «xy» and invert the result?
2015-09-08T08:08:51 < zyp> «yx» I mean
2015-09-08T08:09:41 < upgrdman> makes sense. thanks.
2015-09-08T08:10:53 < zyp> otherwise I guess you could do something like ^([^y]|y([^x]|$))*$
2015-09-08T08:11:53 < zyp> oh wait, there's negative lookahead
2015-09-08T08:12:32 < zyp> ^([^y]|y(?!x))*$
2015-09-08T08:13:14 < jpa-> ^([^w]|t(?!f))*$
2015-09-08T08:13:21 < zyp> :)
2015-09-08T08:16:07 < dongs> < jpa-> ^([^w]|t(?!f))*$
2015-09-08T08:16:10 < dongs> i was just gona type that
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2015-09-08T08:33:54 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ygcQHBcVhQ
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2015-09-08T08:40:18 < dongs> Info: Found Cortex-M3 r2p1, Little endian.
2015-09-08T08:40:19 < dongs> GD32 is alive
2015-09-08T08:40:37 < dongs> Found 2 JTAG devices, Total IRLen = 9: #0 Id: 0x4BA00477, IRLen: 04, IRPrint: 0x1, CoreSight JTAG-DP (ARM) #1 Id: 0x790007A3, IRLen: 05, Unknown device
2015-09-08T08:52:35 < upgrdman> nice vid
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2015-09-08T08:54:17 < dongs> http://www.9news.com/story/news/investigations/2015/09/07/broken-windshield-ticket-absolute-auto-glass/71849604/
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2015-09-08T08:55:21 < upgrdman> are the gd32 shits like half the price of an stm32?
2015-09-08T08:56:10 < dongs> possibly
2015-09-08T08:57:00  * upgrdman waits for a gd32f7
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2015-09-08T08:58:56 < emeb_mac> wait a while
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2015-09-08T09:06:40 < dongs> time to stick gd32 on a board
2015-09-08T09:06:47 < dongs> seems to work ok running simple testapp inside a socket
2015-09-08T09:06:55 < dongs> can erase/flash
2015-09-08T09:08:32 < upgrdman> works with stm stutil?
2015-09-08T09:08:40 < dongs> no idea, works wiht jlink
2015-09-08T09:08:43 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-08T09:08:43 < dongs> dont have stlink nearby
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2015-09-08T09:11:32 < dongs> bah
2015-09-08T09:11:34 < dongs> and these are C8T6 parts
2015-09-08T09:11:40 < dongs> and they really only have 64k flash
2015-09-08T09:11:45 < dongs> cunted
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2015-09-08T09:16:50 < jpa-> they didn't copy the extra flash feature? sucks :)
2015-09-08T09:16:58 < dongs> ya lols.
2015-09-08T09:17:35 < jpa-> i pretty much routinely rely on the 10kB STM32's actually having 16kB of ram :P
2015-09-08T09:18:04 < dongs> haha, teh ram is same too?
2015-09-08T09:18:07 < dongs> 'extra' in cheap parts?
2015-09-08T09:18:22 < jpa-> yeah
2015-09-08T09:18:42 < jpa-> 10kB is such an odd amount to have anyway, i wonder how they ended up with that in the specs
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2015-09-08T09:28:56 < upgrdman> maybe they bin for ram? like units with a shit page might get limited in hardware and sold as a smaller chip?
2015-09-08T09:29:14 < upgrdman> and if yields are good, they just sell good ones as cheaper ones
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2015-09-08T09:31:47 < jpa-> yeah, the same has been discussed with regards to the flash
2015-09-08T09:32:01 < jpa-> until someone finds a device with broken extra flash, it's unknown
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2015-09-08T09:36:41 < dongs> looks like they fixed I2C bugs in GD32
2015-09-08T09:37:00 < dongs> F1 workarounds make it crash
2015-09-08T09:38:42 < jpa-> lul
2015-09-08T09:45:32 < dongs> fuck
2015-09-08T09:45:40 < dongs> why this ov5640 shit is 1.8V i/o
2015-09-08T09:45:42 < dongs> wtf
2015-09-08T09:46:10 < dongs> and VCC is 2.75
2015-09-08T09:46:14 < dongs> wat is this garbage ugh
2015-09-08T09:47:43 < dongs> im gonna need like 16bit i/o buffer for this shit
2015-09-08T09:47:48 < dongs> aids
2015-09-08T09:49:39 < dongs> how hte fuck is zano interfacing wiht it
2015-09-08T09:49:46 < dongs> there's no way they have a buffer ic in there
2015-09-08T09:49:53 < dongs> they probly sucked some chinese dick to get a module with built in level shifter
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2015-09-08T09:54:40 < jpa-> or maybe it is one directional from camera to cpu?
2015-09-08T09:54:49 < dongs> well, I2C isn't
2015-09-08T09:54:55 < dongs> DVP stuff is one direction yeah
2015-09-08T09:54:55 < jpa-> and crappy voltage dividers for the other direction :P
2015-09-08T09:55:01 < dongs> haha..
2015-09-08T09:55:06 < dongs> cmon
2015-09-08T09:55:17 < jpa-> i know, not in zano
2015-09-08T09:57:30 < dongs> i wonder if zano just runs everything at ~2.8V and hopes for the best
2015-09-08T09:57:38 < dongs> like dick32 at 2.8V through a LM1117
2015-09-08T09:57:47 < dongs> and then 1.8V is just high enough to register as 1
2015-09-08T09:58:01 < dongs> whats it need like 70% to be high?
2015-09-08T09:58:06 < dongs> hmm thats 1.96V
2015-09-08T09:59:53 < Sync> dongs: current limiting resistor and YOLO
2015-09-08T09:59:58 < Sync> let the ESD diodes deal with it
2015-09-08T10:00:12 < dongs> sync, its the othe wayt around
2015-09-08T10:00:17 < dongs> all parallel signals are cam->cpu
2015-09-08T10:00:37 < Sync> ah cock
2015-09-08T10:00:39 < dongs> hmm, but i *can* do I/O at 2.8V
2015-09-08T10:00:48 < dongs> hey that'll work
2015-09-08T10:01:16 < dongs> i just use same 2.8V reg for camera and io
2015-09-08T10:02:11 < Sync> zano style
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2015-09-08T10:14:44 < upgrdman> :)  http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/plazmabursttwo/images/e/e4/Obama-big-middle-finger.jpg/revision/latest.hhtml?cb=20140102122405
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2015-09-08T10:37:04 < dongs> haha
2015-09-08T10:37:10 < dongs> i got a link to some chink datasheets for that camera module
2015-09-08T10:37:20 < dongs> the share username is like sodoxing2008
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2015-09-08T10:42:12 < jubatus>  can you find a datasheet for the u-blox M8030 on chinasite ?
2015-09-08T10:42:38 < jubatus> there's a 'data sheet' and a 'hardware integration manual'
2015-09-08T10:42:42 < jubatus> i can't find them anywhere on th enet
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2015-09-08T10:46:36 < dongs> what is that? some lowlevel gps hist?
2015-09-08T10:46:56 < jubatus> that's the u-blox gps chip
2015-09-08T10:47:14 < dongs> why cant you just use the one for whatever neo/lea/etc modules
2015-09-08T10:47:18 < dongs> are you using the raw chip?
2015-09-08T10:47:23 < jubatus> yesh
2015-09-08T10:47:38 < dongs> psh
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2015-09-08T11:16:49 < dongs> > How can you call an immature product, 'the suck' just because the software is not fully developed.
2015-09-08T11:17:52 < dongs> My thought exactly. The hardware is ready and built so you can disassemble like johhny5 to replace broken parts (due to use) upgrade or swap like the various camera types they may provide in years to come The software is there and Ivan has tweaked the flight modes for in and out door with a selected few features so that the Zano can now start being delivered to all backers and the pre order customers. The software to is future upgradable and there will be plenty of a
2015-09-08T11:17:56 < Sync> dunning kruger obv
2015-09-08T11:18:00 < dongs> haha
2015-09-08T11:26:28 < qyx_> wat, why is uint_fast8_t slower than uint32_t on a generic amd64 machine?
2015-09-08T11:27:13 < dongs> All the propellers being sent with Zano's are the new shape (larger and flatter). We are continuing to work on more efficient designs too, these will be available on the store once we complete and test them.
2015-09-08T11:27:42 < jubatus> unaligned access maybe
2015-09-08T11:29:15 < ReadError> im pretty sure flatter props are less efficient?
2015-09-08T11:29:23 < dongs> dont worrry
2015-09-08T11:29:28 < dongs> zano spent days/weeks testing them
2015-09-08T11:29:32 < dongs> until he got bored
2015-09-08T11:29:37 < dongs> of rotating them cw/ccw
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2015-09-08T11:31:03 < qyx_> uint32_t is even faster than uint64_t
2015-09-08T11:31:12 < dongs> stop using gcc
2015-09-08T11:31:19 < qyx_> 1.424s vs 0.982s
2015-09-08T11:31:35 < qyx_> which is quite large difference
2015-09-08T11:31:52 < dongs> did you look at asm
2015-09-08T11:31:56 < dongs> does uint8_fast end up in like
2015-09-08T11:32:00 < dongs> ah/al or wahever
2015-09-08T11:32:14 < qyx_> not yet
2015-09-08T11:33:40 < dongs> qyx what makes you think it should be faster than uint32
2015-09-08T11:33:45 < dongs> its probably faster than uint8_t
2015-09-08T11:33:58 < dongs> the 'fast' classification probably only relates to same width
2015-09-08T11:34:09 < qyx_> because it is defined to be the fastest type of AT LEAST 8 bits
2015-09-08T11:34:19 < qyx_> so if 32bits is faster than 8  bits, it should be 32bits
2015-09-08T11:39:13 < dongs> If you don.t need a specific storage size, but want the data structure that allows the fastest access while having at least N bits (and among data structures with the same access speed, the smallest one), use one of these:
2015-09-08T11:44:41 < jpa-> qyx_: so what type does uint8_fast_t end up for you?
2015-09-08T11:44:45 < jpa-> sizeof etc.
2015-09-08T11:48:48 < qyx_> 8 bits
2015-09-08T11:49:02 < qyx_> using gcc
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2015-09-08T12:00:41 < Ecco> Yay, just received my Mouser order!
2015-09-08T12:00:45 < Ecco> STM32F7 disco :-)
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2015-09-08T12:02:04 < Ecco> I'm just unboxing it
2015-09-08T12:02:08 < Ecco> nice board!
2015-09-08T12:03:39 < Ecco> There are tons of ports but very few GPIOs though
2015-09-08T12:12:34 < ReadError> but but
2015-09-08T12:12:36 < ReadError> arduino sheilds
2015-09-08T12:13:51 < Ecco> oh I didn't figure that out
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2015-09-08T13:38:19 < dongs> I'm super excited for mine to arrive, the best thing to do is ignore all negativity and reviews from other people and wait for yours and then test, play about and rate yourself. I know that no matter what anyone else says I'm super excited just to have it there in my hand. I know there have been set backs and other worries that may have put you off but these guys are dedicated and amazing.
2015-09-08T13:38:27 < dongs> They will only want you to have the best nano drone that you can buy on the market, you wont find a drone as good as this on the market. Just stay positive and give your opinion when you receive it. :D
2015-09-08T13:39:04 < ReadError> 3 weeks later "fuck this piece of shit"
2015-09-08T13:39:25 < mitrax> ahahahahah
2015-09-08T13:39:25 < jpa-> if he is still a believer, 3 weeks won't change it
2015-09-08T13:40:00 < dongs> If you wanted to be a useful member of the community, then you would list what functions that are "not capable" with the current hardware and why you believe it to be the case, so that torquing could then either, tell you why you're wrong, or investigate the issues and produce solutions that do allow it to meet the criteria you have referring to.
2015-09-08T13:40:06 < dongs> haha
2015-09-08T13:40:16 < dongs> how about all of htem?
2015-09-08T13:41:01 < ReadError> take a list of kickstarter features and split in to a venn diagram
2015-09-08T13:41:18 < dongs> er
2015-09-08T13:41:22 < dongs> it would be more like a
2015-09-08T13:41:23 < ReadError> works, works poorly, 'wat'
2015-09-08T13:41:27 < dongs> olympics ring diagram
2015-09-08T13:41:30 < dongs> instead of venn
2015-09-08T13:41:34 < dongs> cuz none of the shit would converge
2015-09-08T13:41:34 < ReadError> there would be 1 thing in working, 'hovers'
2015-09-08T13:43:49 < dongs> that doesnt evne work
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2015-09-08T13:58:40 < dongs> libzano uses happyhttp
2015-09-08T14:00:28 < dongs> libZano::firmware::attemptUpgrade(libZano::firmware *this, unsigned int a2)
2015-09-08T14:00:28 < dongs> { _android_log_print(4, "libZano", "TODO ATTEMPT UPGRADE");
2015-09-08T14:00:29 < dongs> aww
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2015-09-08T14:07:06 < Laurenceb> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/the-eagerly-awaited-raspberry-pi-display/
2015-09-08T14:07:13 < Laurenceb> libZano...
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2015-09-08T14:18:34 < dongs> In the end we chose an industrial-quality display from our friends at Inelco Hunter based in the UK, who were able to create something very special:
2015-09-08T14:18:37 < dongs> RGB 800×480 display @60fps
2015-09-08T14:18:40 < dongs> the fuck
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2015-09-08T14:20:06 < dongs> zano firmware will be called "{0}.{1}.{2}.{3}.z"
2015-09-08T14:20:23 < dongs> more specifically, "%d.%d.%d.%d.z"
2015-09-08T14:21:32 < dongs> https://github.com/ludocode/mpack
2015-09-08T14:21:34 < dongs> also uses mpack
2015-09-08T14:21:54 < zyp> wtf are you dicking around with?
2015-09-08T14:22:01 < dongs> libzano.so from assdroid app
2015-09-08T14:22:57 < dongs>    v7 = z_http_new("account.flyzano.com", 0);
2015-09-08T14:22:57 < dongs>   z_http_begin_send(v7, 0, "/firmware/get.php?device_type=0&model=1514229327", v3);
2015-09-08T14:23:00 < dongs> hoho
2015-09-08T14:23:16 < ReadError> https://i.imgur.com/fd7h70i.gifv dongs in zanohq
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2015-09-08T14:26:02 < dongs> inetnum:        194.75.49.64 - 194.75.49.127
2015-09-08T14:26:02 < dongs> netname:        TORQUING-GROUP
2015-09-08T14:26:03 < dongs> laff
2015-09-08T14:26:10 < dongs> they bought a /26 or wahtever
2015-09-08T14:26:13 < dongs> or /28?
2015-09-08T14:26:26 < dongs> hmm, account.flyzano just died
2015-09-08T14:26:34 < dongs> http://account.flyzano.com/firmware/
2015-09-08T14:26:34 < dongs> haha
2015-09-08T14:26:38 < dongs> they have directory listing on!
2015-09-08T14:28:10 < zyp> yeah, that's /26
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2015-09-08T14:39:02 < jpa-> let's play "crowdsource my work" again
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2015-09-08T14:39:25 < jpa-> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/flash_ok/   identify the sections on this 4Mbit flash chip (AT45DB041D)
2015-09-08T14:39:55 < jpa-> if A5 and C5 are the actual flash, i'm surprised how small part of the chip that is
2015-09-08T14:40:06 < zyp> I just thought the same
2015-09-08T14:40:17 < zyp> then again, 4Mb is small
2015-09-08T14:41:23 < Laurenceb> crazy
2015-09-08T14:41:42 < Laurenceb> oh its atmel
2015-09-08T14:41:43 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-09-08T14:41:50 < PaulFertser> Crazy is that they decap the flash trying to find out the failure reason instead of taking it to the pros.
2015-09-08T14:41:55 < PaulFertser> ;)
2015-09-08T14:42:34 < jpa-> someone has convinced people that we are the pros ;)
2015-09-08T14:44:31 < jpa-> though i'm somewhat happy that we can atleast confirm that the failed chips are actually atmel also
2015-09-08T14:44:56 < jpa-> and perhaps see if there is some huge damage
2015-09-08T14:45:06 < jpa-> but so far have only decapped a working chip
2015-09-08T14:45:30 < zyp> so you're going to compare the dies?
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2015-09-08T14:46:49 < jpa-> yeah
2015-09-08T14:47:12 < jpa-> based on symptoms, we are suspecting some kind of damage to the voltage pumps or whatever common analog parts there are on the chip
2015-09-08T14:47:34 < jpa-> because we are seeing noise-like data corruption at random locations all over the chip, and the locations change after every erase
2015-09-08T14:48:06 < jpa-> i would expect the voltage pump stuff to be near the top, as that is where the power supply pins are
2015-09-08T14:51:08 < PaulFertser> Do you decap yourself?
2015-09-08T14:52:44 < jpa-> delegated to our lab guy, but yeah, in-house
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2015-09-08T15:17:57 < Laurenceb> found dongs  http://i.imgur.com/s8hcuFw.jpg
2015-09-08T15:18:09 < rewolff2> Stitched image: http://prive.bitwizard.nl/tileA1-tileC5.jpg (Quick n dirty)
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2015-09-08T16:00:48 < dongs> https://imgur.com/a/tZShU
2015-09-08T16:00:49 < dongs> lol
2015-09-08T16:00:50 < dongs> buttcoin
2015-09-08T16:01:10 < dongs> rewolff2: wat did you decap
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2015-09-08T16:01:42 < dongs> o
2015-09-08T16:01:44 < dongs> jpa's hax
2015-09-08T16:01:57 < rewolff2> jpa decapped an atmel SPI flash chip I presume...  I just stitched the images into one big one instead of 15 small ones.
2015-09-08T16:02:32 < rewolff2> (a bit as a hint to jpa that he could've done that too.... :-) )
2015-09-08T16:02:53 < jpa-> i know i could have, but i didn't think it would help any :)
2015-09-08T16:03:16 < dongs> he probly uses gmp
2015-09-08T16:03:17 < dongs> gimp
2015-09-08T16:04:25 < dongs> k looks like f407/dcmi proj is a go
2015-09-08T16:05:07 < ReadError> oh wow jpa-
2015-09-08T16:05:12 < ReadError> nice decap ;)
2015-09-08T16:05:17 < ReadError> what method did you use?
2015-09-08T16:06:07 < jpa-> our lab guy did it; he used nitric acid and isopropanol
2015-09-08T16:06:22 < dongs> jpa, status of decapping some GD32
2015-09-08T16:06:31 < dongs> where'd y ou get a microscope that good?
2015-09-08T16:06:38 < jpa-> from nokia
2015-09-08T16:06:55 < jpa-> all hitech firms in finland are full of equipment that got left over when nokia went down
2015-09-08T16:07:53 < dongs> cool
2015-09-08T16:08:02 < dongs> how much can you zoom in?
2015-09-08T16:08:28 < jpa-> those tileXX photos were with 20x, 100x is the maximum
2015-09-08T16:11:41 < dongs> jpa, thats pretty nice
2015-09-08T16:13:33 < Taxman> this shall be a spi flash chip? for what is that much logic needed?
2015-09-08T16:13:43 < dongs> so tehy can spy on you
2015-09-08T16:13:53 < dongs> atmel has all sorts of antihax stuff in thier flash
2015-09-08T16:14:23 < jpa-> Taxman: i'm wondering the same
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2015-09-08T16:14:33 < jpa-> i guess the logic is at crappier process than the flash itself
2015-09-08T16:14:38 < jpa-> or something
2015-09-08T16:14:51 < dongs> its 4mbit?
2015-09-08T16:14:53 < dongs> or 4mbyte
2015-09-08T16:14:54 < jpa-> because the scale seems so very different
2015-09-08T16:14:59 < jpa-> dongs: 4Mbit, 512kB
2015-09-08T16:17:24 < Taxman> the F7 released so far do not have a crypto engine on chip, no?
2015-09-08T16:18:38 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW-_7vFz1mc
2015-09-08T16:18:38 < dongs> wat
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2015-09-08T16:20:39 < Sync> looks fake
2015-09-08T16:20:46 < dongs> just looks dumb
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2015-09-08T16:21:02 < dongs> manual flight + descent and then he tries to make motors stop while moving hand under it
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2015-09-08T16:25:37 < Ecco> Hmm, I just received my STM32F4 in QFN48 package
2015-09-08T16:25:57 < Ecco> I'm now pretty skeptical about the fact that this is solderable with an iron…
2015-09-08T16:26:27 < ReadError> huh
2015-09-08T16:26:28 < dongs> 401 or 411 or something?
2015-09-08T16:26:37 < ReadError> tin the pads
2015-09-08T16:26:39 < Ecco> 401
2015-09-08T16:26:44 < ReadError> clean, place chip, flux, hot air
2015-09-08T16:26:49 < Ecco> heh
2015-09-08T16:26:52 < Ecco> I don't have a hot air gun
2015-09-08T16:26:56 < Ecco> Just an iron
2015-09-08T16:27:03 < ReadError> 50 bux, 858d
2015-09-08T16:27:04 < Laurenceb> use a lighter
2015-09-08T16:27:15 < Ecco> (a decent one supposedly though, Hakko fx-888d)
2015-09-08T16:28:03 < ReadError> ehhhhhh
2015-09-08T16:28:10 < ReadError> for QFN you really neet some kinda ir
2015-09-08T16:28:12 < ReadError> air*
2015-09-08T16:28:15 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-08T16:28:27 < Ecco> I thought someone in here told me it was possible with an iron
2015-09-08T16:28:28 < ReadError> not saying it cant be done, it just wont be easy
2015-09-08T16:28:36 < ReadError> or as easy as hot iar
2015-09-08T16:28:38 < ReadError> air*
2015-09-08T16:28:40 < Ecco> ok
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2015-09-08T16:28:56 < Ecco> I did purchase a few extra chips though
2015-09-08T16:29:13 < Ecco> So maybe I can give it a try and purchase the hot air gun if it doesn't work out
2015-09-08T16:29:25 < Sync> just get the hot air gun anyways
2015-09-08T16:29:35 < Sync> but it is entirely possible with an iron
2015-09-08T16:29:45 < ReadError> Ecco you can use a torch
2015-09-08T16:29:49 < ReadError> if you are super careful
2015-09-08T16:30:14 < Ecco> What's a torch?
2015-09-08T16:30:26 < Ecco> Like a gas thing?
2015-09-08T16:30:45 < ReadError> yea
2015-09-08T16:30:51 < ReadError> but helps if you have a diffusor
2015-09-08T16:31:15 < ReadError> the little ceramic thing that goes in front of the flame
2015-09-08T16:32:22 < Ecco> ok :-/
2015-09-08T16:32:27 < Ecco> Well I guess I'll buy a hot air gun
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2015-09-08T16:33:59 < Ecco> Any recommendation?
2015-09-08T16:34:09 < ReadError> cant go wrong w/ 858d for the price
2015-09-08T16:34:12 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-08T16:34:16 < Ecco> What brand is that?
2015-09-08T16:34:22 < ReadError> i had some dumb aoyoe one but it sits in a closet now
2015-09-08T16:34:28 < ReadError> ermm
2015-09-08T16:34:32 < ReadError> im not sure
2015-09-08T16:34:37 < ReadError> just search for 858d
2015-09-08T16:34:42 < Ecco> Atten ?
2015-09-08T16:34:42 < Ecco> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vva2t21sOAs
2015-09-08T16:34:48 < ReadError> mine says W.E.P.
2015-09-08T16:34:54 < ReadError> i think diff mfg make them
2015-09-08T16:35:03 < Ecco> But how is it the same device then?
2015-09-08T16:35:18 < ReadError> they are the same
2015-09-08T16:35:22 < ReadError> its china
2015-09-08T16:35:24 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-08T16:37:55 < dongs> http://192.168.0.1
2015-09-08T16:37:56 < dongs> Authorization
2015-09-08T16:37:56 < dongs> Basic YWRtaW46UEFTU1dPUkQ=
2015-09-08T16:37:58 < dongs> lolz
2015-09-08T16:38:04 < dongs> zano wifi password is PASSWORD
2015-09-08T16:38:14 < Laurenceb> lulz
2015-09-08T16:41:04 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObdHvSNe9W4
2015-09-08T16:41:06 < Laurenceb> wut
2015-09-08T16:41:22 < Laurenceb> wtf russia
2015-09-08T16:41:37 < dongs>  C:\torquing\libZano\Project\VisualStudio2015\libZano\libZanoShared\..\..\..\..\Source\format.cc
2015-09-08T16:42:59 < dongs> Laurenceb: looks liek a shitty dickstarter rendering
2015-09-08T16:43:04 < dongs> when does osmething intersting start
2015-09-08T16:43:13 < Laurenceb> looks like zano version 2
2015-09-08T16:43:27 < Ecco> What does "rework" mean, actually?
2015-09-08T16:43:38 < dongs> when you fuck up
2015-09-08T16:43:40 < dongs> and rework
2015-09-08T16:43:58 < Ecco> as in create bridges or misplace a component?
2015-09-08T16:44:05 < dongs> well
2015-09-08T16:44:07 < dongs> think about that tqfp
2015-09-08T16:44:10 < dongs> err QFN
2015-09-08T16:44:13 < dongs> you missed the pin1
2015-09-08T16:44:17 < dongs> and soldered it 90" out
2015-09-08T16:44:19 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-08T16:44:24 < Laurenceb> LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ObdHvSNe9W4#t=654
2015-09-08T16:44:30 < dongs> when you notice it, that's rework.
2015-09-08T16:44:33 < Ecco> hmm
2015-09-08T16:44:37 < Laurenceb> whyyy
2015-09-08T16:44:41 < Ecco> ok, so supposedly "work" would be in a reflow oven
2015-09-08T16:44:52 < Ecco> and you "re" work it with the hot air gun?
2015-09-08T16:44:57 < ReadError> eh dont bother with an oven
2015-09-08T16:45:08 < ReadError> ive built probably 1000 boards or more with hotair
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2015-09-08T16:45:10 < Ecco> (yeah I know, I'm jsut trying to understand why the hot air is called "re-work"
2015-09-08T16:45:18 < Ecco> and not just "work"
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2015-09-08T16:46:01 < dongs> east europe bga reballerz use it
2015-09-08T16:46:38 < Sync> because nobody uses it to solder chips in the first place Ecco
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2015-09-08T16:46:45 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-08T16:47:09 < Ecco> But that's not what ReadError suggests (and actually there are a bunch of tutorials on YouTube that rexplain how to solder them w/ a hot air gun initially too)
2015-09-08T16:47:34 < ReadError> Sync for hobbiest/small batch its easiest
2015-09-08T16:47:48 < ReadError> most versatile
2015-09-08T16:47:59 < Ecco> That Australian at EEVblog is batshit crazy :-D
2015-09-08T16:48:10 < ReadError> s/crazy/annoying
2015-09-08T16:48:11 < Laurenceb> he is a loser manchild
2015-09-08T16:48:19 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-08T16:48:19 < Sync> sure, but in the industry nobody uses it other than for prototyping
2015-09-08T16:48:26 < Ecco> yeah ok
2015-09-08T16:48:31 < Ecco> I understand why it's called rework now
2015-09-08T16:48:32 < Ecco> Thanks!
2015-09-08T16:49:40 < Ecco> Hmm, now that I'm thinking about it
2015-09-08T16:49:44 < Ecco> my Hakko soldering iron
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2015-09-08T16:49:55 < Ecco> comes with a power brick where I set the temperature
2015-09-08T16:50:04 < Ecco> and in which I plug the iron properly speaking
2015-09-08T16:50:23 < Ecco> wouldn't it be possible to buy just another "iron" that would, conveniently, be a hot air gun?
2015-09-08T16:50:36 < Ecco> (so as to re-use the temperature controlling / power part)
2015-09-08T16:50:43 < ReadError> erm its 50$
2015-09-08T16:50:48 < ReadError> just get the standalone
2015-09-08T16:50:57 < Ecco> Yeah, but I live in a very, very tiny place
2015-09-08T16:51:06 < ReadError> this is a tiny unit
2015-09-08T16:51:09 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-08T16:51:09 < ReadError> theres extra stuff
2015-09-08T16:51:14 < ReadError> airflow, temperature etc
2015-09-08T16:51:24 < Ecco> hmm, makes sense
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2015-09-08T16:54:31 < dongs> Laurenceb: preety sure R2COM was behind that video
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2015-09-08T17:01:06 < aandrew> lol
2015-09-08T17:01:31 < aandrew> dongs: I'm frankly a little disappointed that you haven't made a done of doom
2015-09-08T17:03:36 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2015-09-08T17:03:37 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/08/pr0n_app_takes_blackmail_pics_ransom/
2015-09-08T17:03:42 < Laurenceb> truly epic lulz
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2015-09-08T17:15:02 < Ecco> Amazon suggests I also buy some Kapton tape
2015-09-08T17:15:06 < Ecco> what is it?
2015-09-08T17:15:12 < dongs> ask ReadError
2015-09-08T17:15:16 < dongs> he's the master of that
2015-09-08T17:16:14 < aandrew> it's called re-work because they're primarily used to fix mistakes made by the "work" equipment
2015-09-08T17:16:20 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-08T17:16:29 < aandrew> and yes kapton tape is the pagan god of rework
2015-09-08T17:16:34 < aandrew> it's awesome stuff
2015-09-08T17:16:39 < dongs> never used it
2015-09-08T17:16:45 < dongs> is it for pro xbox reflowers?
2015-09-08T17:16:58 < aandrew> I never used it much either before but I find I use it more and more as I remember I have it
2015-09-08T17:17:12 < dongs> so its official eevblag can go fuck himselfd
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2015-09-08T17:17:19 < dongs> i clicked through one of his videos
2015-09-08T17:17:22 < dongs> somethign about trashing samsung TV
2015-09-08T17:17:29 < dongs> and "dangers of reflow"
2015-09-08T17:17:32 < aandrew> lol
2015-09-08T17:17:41 < dongs> it was ~20 minute video or something
2015-09-08T17:17:49 < dongs> about through-hole connectors not being reflow-rated (duh)
2015-09-08T17:18:01 < dongs> but what made me permanently remove him from all my social media contacts is
2015-09-08T17:18:05 < dongs> the reason WHY he was reflowing it
2015-09-08T17:18:17 < dongs> he just found a random pcb in the trash
2015-09-08T17:18:24 < dongs> and put it into his toaster oven to reflow it
2015-09-08T17:18:26 < dongs> the end
2015-09-08T17:18:28 < dongs> like
2015-09-08T17:18:31 < Ecco> what?
2015-09-08T17:18:58 < aandrew> lol
2015-09-08T17:19:11 < aandrew> we were talking about his accent in the other chan
2015-09-08T17:19:33 < aandrew> I mentioned that the way he stresses his words always reminds me of how you might talk when holding in a massive shit
2015-09-08T17:19:37 < dongs> ecco, a very common activity with absolutely retarded people who have no clue, is to "reflow" video cards and shit that don't work, because one thinks that some of the balls on the CPU /etc didn't solder and heating it up again fixes it
2015-09-08T17:20:00 < aandrew> like he's trying to make his point but also distracted because his sphincter is about to let loose
2015-09-08T17:20:54 < dongs> ugh
2015-09-08T17:20:58 < dongs> just fuck that guy
2015-09-08T17:21:15 < dongs> and he just drones on and on about same shit over and over
2015-09-08T17:21:19 < dongs> like again teh reflow video
2015-09-08T17:21:25 < dongs> it could be tl;dr'd in like 30 seconds
2015-09-08T17:21:36 < dongs> "I'm a retard who didn't know through-hole connectors are not high-temp"
2015-09-08T17:22:11 < gxti_> he used to occasionally have interesting stuff but i gave up a year  ago
2015-09-08T17:22:28 < dongs> it looks all dumb shit
2015-09-08T17:22:40 < dongs> there's no actual 'EE'
2015-09-08T17:22:43 < dongs> just VLOG
2015-09-08T17:22:47 < dongs> and that can fuck right off
2015-09-08T17:22:58 < gxti_> i think the last interesting video is when he toured the assembly plant of some company that actually makes stuff in australia
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2015-09-08T17:27:15 < Ecco> Hahaha :-)
2015-09-08T17:27:45 < Ecco> So that "reflow will fix a faulty solder in my Xbox/3D card" is a pure myth?
2015-09-08T17:28:13 < gxti_> nah it probably works sometimes
2015-09-08T17:28:16 < aandrew> no it's not a pure myth
2015-09-08T17:28:24 < aandrew> it works the odd time but only for specific problems
2015-09-08T17:28:31 < dongs> it has probly less than 1% chance of working
2015-09-08T17:28:34 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-08T17:28:40 < Ecco> And I guess 10% chance of frying your board?
2015-09-08T17:28:41 < aandrew> i.e. thermal expansion/contracting cracking the balls of the BGA due to poor thermal management
2015-09-08T17:28:42 < BrainDamage> early designs had shit thermal management, long term thermal stress warped the board and disconnected some pins
2015-09-08T17:28:46 < dongs> more like 100%
2015-09-08T17:29:06 < dongs> yeah i dont think this shit would matter in the last decade+
2015-09-08T17:29:12 < aandrew> the guys who light a tea candle and put it on their GPU are full of shit
2015-09-08T17:30:10 < BrainDamage> that's how they do annealing cycles in the semicond industry, a wooden stove and a charcoal grill
2015-09-08T17:30:40 < BrainDamage> when the wafer is done, you put on the steaks
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2015-09-08T17:36:17 < Ecco> :-)
2015-09-08T17:39:45 < jubatus> it used to be a valid fix. there were a batch of xboxes that had a problem with thermal stress causing cracked balls
2015-09-08T17:39:53 < jubatus> reflowing the pcb would fix that
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2015-09-08T17:43:04 < ReadError> I see much similarity between EEVBlog dave and dongs
2015-09-08T17:43:13 < ReadError> they both obsesses over fail projects
2015-09-08T17:43:23 < ReadError> except dave makes like 3x 1hr long videos
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2015-09-08T17:45:09 < englishman> and dangs makes 3x 1hr irc blog sessions
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2015-09-08T17:53:14 < dongs> fuck
2015-09-08T17:53:28 < dongs> the shitty zano module doenst have a proper pinout for fpc cable
2015-09-08T17:53:34 < dongs> there's different shit everywhere
2015-09-08T17:53:45 < dongs> zano camera
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2015-09-08T17:59:16 < Ecco> http://www.amazon.fr/dp/B010Q1OBRU/ vs http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B007F9HM28
2015-09-08T18:00:49 < aandrew> whoa wait
2015-09-08T18:00:54 < aandrew> zano actually shipped something?
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2015-09-08T18:01:44 < dongs> k, shit is completely not matching with datasheet.
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2015-09-08T18:07:31 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ledmnE6.png
2015-09-08T18:08:01 < emeb> Everything's better with Jackie Chan.
2015-09-08T18:09:24 < kakimir> fun fun fun
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2015-09-08T18:14:33 < Laurenceb> http://filebin.ca/2Ex9Wotzv8ww/ignition_paper.pdf
2015-09-08T18:14:34 < Laurenceb> oops
2015-09-08T18:14:47 < Laurenceb> wrong window lol
2015-09-08T18:15:01 < dongs> fucking terrorist
2015-09-08T18:15:05 < dongs> looks useless anyway.
2015-09-08T18:17:42 < Ecco> I've just read reviews of the 858D hot air gun
2015-09-08T18:17:55 < Ecco> Some people say it's nice, but other people say it broke off pretty quickly
2015-09-08T18:18:24 < Ecco> I wouldn't mind putting a bit more money into this purchase if I could get something more reliable
2015-09-08T18:18:29 < Ecco> would you guys recommend anything else?
2015-09-08T18:18:44 < dongs> aoyue968+ is decent all in one solder+hotair+forget wat else is in it
2015-09-08T18:19:26 < dongs> https://www.leopardimaging.com/LI-OV5640-MIPI-AF.html this place lists last 2 pins as AFVCC/GND.
2015-09-08T18:19:36 < dongs> of course thats for mipi interface, so half the shit is NC
2015-09-08T18:19:53 < dongs> but if thats the case, then there's missing bits for DVP 0..7 in china-pinout.
2015-09-08T18:19:53 < scrts_w> hmm, I only have OV5642 datasheet
2015-09-08T18:19:56 < karlp> I've "baked" a laptop back to life by powering it on and wrappign it in blankets,
2015-09-08T18:20:00 < dongs> datashete is not a problem
2015-09-08T18:20:08 < dongs> the .png is a combination of all chink docs
2015-09-08T18:20:11 < dongs> and they're all different
2015-09-08T18:20:12 < dongs> lolo
2015-09-08T18:20:15 < dongs> (that came with the module)
2015-09-08T18:20:20 < karlp> one of the interns at work baked her laptop mobo back to life too, there's a few models it was "the" way to fix them.
2015-09-08T18:20:21 < Ecco> karlp: haha
2015-09-08T18:20:51 < scrts_w> dongs: I am trying to catch... what's the issue? zano posted a piece of schematic that doesn't make sense?
2015-09-08T18:21:04 < dongs> scrts_w: no, im trying to interface with chinacam
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2015-09-08T18:21:33 < dongs> http://v-vision.en.alibaba.com/product/1866198753-213344993/5MP_OEM_USB_camera_module_OV5640_24pin_with_auto_focus_function.html i.e. this kinda shits
2015-09-08T18:21:35 < scrts_w> which, in particular?
2015-09-08T18:21:36 < dongs> they're all 24 pin
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2015-09-08T18:21:42 < dongs> they're all same~ish
2015-09-08T18:22:25 < scrts_w> the image with the pinout there
2015-09-08T18:22:27 < scrts_w> makes sense?
2015-09-08T18:23:00 < dongs> except it doesnt match J1 pinout
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2015-09-08T18:23:21 < dongs> if Y0/Y1 are data0/1 then they're not present on the 'connector 24 pin description'
2015-09-08T18:23:30 < dongs> as you see there's no Y0/Y1 there
2015-09-08T18:23:34 < dongs> so I'd be missing 2 bits of data.
2015-09-08T18:23:38 < scrts_w> nope
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2015-09-08T18:23:53 < scrts_w> same stuff with OV490 we are using here in addition to OV10640
2015-09-08T18:24:05 < dongs> and what is the  "stuff"?
2015-09-08T18:24:13 < scrts_w> automotive cameras
2015-09-08T18:24:15 < dongs> does data start counting at 2 or something?
2015-09-08T18:24:23 < dongs> for 8 bit wide/
2015-09-08T18:24:33 < scrts_w> so we have 12 bits output, but for YUV we are using [11:4] only
2015-09-08T18:24:40 < dongs> yeah but this is not YUV
2015-09-08T18:24:40 < scrts_w> so it's 8bit interface YUV422
2015-09-08T18:24:47 < dongs> i'd be using DVP
2015-09-08T18:24:57 < scrts_w> DVP means parallel interface
2015-09-08T18:24:57 < dongs> the jpeg mode
2015-09-08T18:24:58 < dongs> like zano.
2015-09-08T18:24:59 < dongs> yes.
2015-09-08T18:25:05 < scrts_w> so you will have 8 bit output
2015-09-08T18:25:07 < scrts_w> on MSB bits
2015-09-08T18:25:11 < scrts_w> you dont need two LSBs
2015-09-08T18:25:18 < dongs> DATA[9..2]?
2015-09-08T18:25:20 < scrts_w> yes
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2015-09-08T18:26:55 < scrts_w> the lens there is crappy.. :>
2015-09-08T18:27:05 < dongs> where does it say that
2015-09-08T18:27:09 < dongs> about data[9:2
2015-09-08T18:27:27 < scrts_w> that's the beauty of omnivision.. it doesn't say that in the datasheet
2015-09-08T18:27:36 < dongs> hm it kinda does
2015-09-08T18:27:42 < dongs> ddvp data order
2015-09-08T18:27:56 < dongs> http://v-vision.en.alibaba.com/product/1866198753-213344993/5MP_OEM_USB_camera_module_OV5640_24pin_with_auto_focus_function.html
2015-09-08T18:27:59 < dongs> errrrrr
2015-09-08T18:28:05 < dongs> ugh fucking noncopyable datasheet
2015-09-08T18:28:10 < dongs> 00: data[9:0]
2015-09-08T18:28:18 < dongs> 10: data[7:0, data[9:8]
2015-09-08T18:28:27 < dongs> x1: data[1:0], data[9:2]
2015-09-08T18:28:40 < scrts_w> oh, it does in this one
2015-09-08T18:28:42 < scrts_w> that's good
2015-09-08T18:29:41 < dongs> hm sample code doesnt touch it
2015-09-08T18:29:45 < dongs> and its marked as debug register
2015-09-08T18:29:46 < dongs> sigh..
2015-09-08T18:29:54 < dongs> and default is data[9:0]...
2015-09-08T18:30:48 < dongs> i should call zano and ask
2015-09-08T18:31:12 < dongs> scrts_w: or just listen to you :d
2015-09-08T18:31:57 < Ecco> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-Brand-NEW-Hot-858D-220V-air-gun-soldering-station-iron-tool-solder-welding-60W-ESD/32408394179.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.11.49M91e&ws_ab_test=201407_4,201444_5,201409_4
2015-09-08T18:32:02 < Ecco> Well that's €28
2015-09-08T18:32:31 < karlp> now you're making me want one...
2015-09-08T18:32:34 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-08T18:32:41 < karlp> hrm, phone just offered me a cyanogen update. that's new.
2015-09-08T18:32:51 < Ecco> Apparently the "original" one is made by "Atten"
2015-09-08T18:33:36 < dongs> "original" lol
2015-09-08T18:33:39 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-08T18:33:40 < dongs> atten is also a clonershop
2015-09-08T18:33:41 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-08T18:33:43 < scrts_w> dongs: these guys also don't use [1:0] -> http://www.arducam.com/camera-modules/5mp-ov5640/
2015-09-08T18:33:49 < Ecco> But who the hell created this design?
2015-09-08T18:33:55 < Ecco> It seems like it's been copied a thousand times
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2015-09-08T18:34:18 < Sync> $generic_chinese_engineering_company
2015-09-08T18:34:26 < dongs> scrts_w: ahh, cool. I saw that page before and skipped it. that looks better.
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2015-09-08T18:35:31 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-08T18:35:31 < scrts_w> check the library that they offer for donguino
2015-09-08T18:35:54 < scrts_w> I bought this one: http://www.arducam.com/camera-modules/5mp-ov5642/ but didn't have time to test it
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2015-09-08T18:36:22 < dongs> they dont set 4745
2015-09-08T18:36:45 < scrts_w> ah nope, this one: http://www.uctronics.com/download/u1051-1.jpg
2015-09-08T18:37:04 < dongs> i know that guy
2015-09-08T18:37:06 < dongs> electronics_lee
2015-09-08T18:37:58 < scrts_w> dongs: probably it's ok by default then
2015-09-08T18:38:11 < dongs> no default is data[9:0]
2015-09-08T18:38:26 < dongs> with 0 in regiser
2015-09-08T18:38:42 < dongs> x1 in register= [1:0],[9:2]
2015-09-08T18:39:12 < dongs> anywho, ill use tarducam as reference
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2015-09-08T18:39:50 < dongs> they dont have opensauce schematics for that shit?
2015-09-08T18:40:08 < scrts_w> dunno
2015-09-08T18:40:31 < dongs> ya seems no
2015-09-08T18:40:32 < dongs> o well
2015-09-08T18:40:39 < dongs> ok, at least i know wat to do now
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2015-09-08T18:41:42 < kakimir> what is that
2015-09-08T18:41:48 < dongs> sleep
2015-09-08T18:41:50 < dongs> is what.
2015-09-08T18:42:01 < kakimir> sleep time
2015-09-08T18:43:51 < kakimir> that camera
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2015-09-08T18:49:03 < karlp> Ecco: that ali link is $34 shipped from UK or germany, but neither ship to iceland, or $54 shipped form china.
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2015-09-08T19:17:48 < Ecco> hmm
2015-09-08T19:17:52 < Ecco> You live in iceland?
2015-09-08T19:17:58 < Ecco> Seems like a nice country :)
2015-09-08T19:18:03 < Ecco> How do you like it over there?
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2015-09-08T19:18:33 < Ecco> Shipping is $11 to France though
2015-09-08T19:20:41 < zyp> Ecco, from what I've heard it's a nightmare to buy parts when you live in iceland :p
2015-09-08T19:21:12 < Ecco> Why? Few people ship over there?
2015-09-08T19:21:22 < Ecco> Seems like Farnell, Mouser, etc… ship worldwide
2015-09-08T19:21:32 < Ecco> Maybe even to Somalia
2015-09-08T19:21:33 < Ecco> :-)
2015-09-08T19:21:58 < zyp> sure, assuming what you want to buy doesn't require ITAR clearance or similar
2015-09-08T19:22:18 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-08T19:22:19 < zyp> like microcontrollers containing crypto accelerators, for instance
2015-09-08T19:22:24 < Ecco> oh
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2015-09-08T19:24:27 < zyp> I ordered a nrf52 devboard from mouser recently and had to fill out a form to document I'm not a terrorist
2015-09-08T19:24:41 < zyp> from what I understand, iceland doesn't even get that option and is denied outright
2015-09-08T19:24:59 < Ecco> weird
2015-09-08T19:25:00 < Ecco> why?
2015-09-08T19:25:04 < Ecco> Aren't they in the eurozone?
2015-09-08T19:25:33 < Ecco> apparently not
2015-09-08T19:25:49 < zyp> well, I'm in norway
2015-09-08T19:26:07 < Ecco> I know norway isn't in the eurozone
2015-09-08T19:26:11 < Ecco> I would have visited otherwise
2015-09-08T19:26:14 < zyp> but I think it's more a matter of whether there's established export/import agreements between countries
2015-09-08T19:26:23 < Ecco> but I ended up in Ireland because changing currency is too much of a hassle :)
2015-09-08T19:26:33 < Ecco> oh, I see
2015-09-08T19:26:53 < zyp> eh, changing currency how?
2015-09-08T19:27:03 < Ecco> exchanging
2015-09-08T19:27:16 < zyp> sure, but in what sense?
2015-09-08T19:27:17 < Ecco> I don't know, whatever way you do it you end up being f-ed up
2015-09-08T19:27:53 < Ecco> Last time I went to the US, either way I would try to purchase some USD I would be charged like crazy
2015-09-08T19:27:53 < zyp> are you talking about exchanging cash or what?
2015-09-08T19:27:57 < Ecco> not necessarily
2015-09-08T19:28:02 < Ecco> cash, but also using a credit card
2015-09-08T19:28:15 < zyp> how so?
2015-09-08T19:28:32 < zyp> I pay with my card in foreign currency all the time
2015-09-08T19:28:36 < Ecco> really?
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2015-09-08T19:28:52 < Ecco> Well, my bank charges $1 for any purchase made in USD
2015-09-08T19:28:56 < Ecco> that gets old real quick
2015-09-08T19:28:58 < zyp> your bank sucks
2015-09-08T19:29:02 < Ecco> It most probably does
2015-09-08T19:29:16 < Ecco> Last time I went to the US I ended up opening an account there
2015-09-08T19:29:22 < Ecco> and wired some money once and for all
2015-09-08T19:29:24 < zyp> my bank doesn't charge any fees at all, apart from an annual card fee
2015-09-08T19:29:41 < Ecco> What if you purchase something worse $100 today online?
2015-09-08T19:30:02 < zyp> sure, I do that regularly
2015-09-08T19:30:04 < zyp> no fee.
2015-09-08T19:30:08 < Ecco> wow
2015-09-08T19:30:19 < Ecco> And what exchange rate is applied?
2015-09-08T19:30:34 < Ecco> Boy my bank sucks…
2015-09-08T19:30:55 < zyp> standard visa rate including 1.75% exchange fee, but that's charged by visa, not the bank
2015-09-08T19:31:01 < Ecco> oh ok
2015-09-08T19:31:15 < Ecco> Well, I don't know *who* charges me, I just see there's a fee
2015-09-08T19:31:48 < zyp> exchange fee isn't listed separately, it's part of the exchange rate I get
2015-09-08T19:31:57 < Ecco> I see
2015-09-08T19:31:59 < zyp> so it's not something I'm concerned about
2015-09-08T19:32:25 < Ecco> Yeah, most exchanges work like this. They add a "spread" which is the difference between the exchange rate in one way and the other
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2015-09-08T19:57:25 < Ecco> Any recommandation for tweezers to handle SMD components?
2015-09-08T19:57:44 < Ecco> Would this be ok? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-quality-6-Pcs-Anti-static-ESD-Tweezers-Set-Straight-Curved-Electronic-Craft-Jewellery-Hand-Tools/32333123903.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.1.3Alkaz&ws_ab_test=201407_4,201444_5,201409_4
2015-09-08T19:57:51 < ReadError> VETUS are cheap
2015-09-08T19:58:07 < Ecco> Ok
2015-09-08T19:58:08 < ReadError> i only really use the long and skinny ones
2015-09-08T19:58:17 < ReadError> the curved stuff ehhh never really
2015-09-08T19:58:31 < Ecco> I know that no tweezers is better than a bad tweezer
2015-09-08T19:58:40 < Ecco> So I'm a bit concerned about buying cheap chinese ones
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2015-09-08T20:01:46 < englishman> careful not to buy the left handed ones
2015-09-08T20:02:03 < ReadError> also
2015-09-08T20:02:08 < ReadError> get some reverse tweezers
2015-09-08T20:02:12 < ReadError> very useful
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2015-09-08T20:11:51 < Ecco> Reverse as in "tweezer that pinches when you don't"?
2015-09-08T20:12:25 < Ecco> Apparently Vetus tweezers are like $10/each
2015-09-08T20:12:47 < Ecco> So this is most likely fake, right? http://www.amazon.fr/VETUS-Brucelle-precision-antistatique-reparation/dp/B00WW1D7YG/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1441731541&sr=1-1
2015-09-08T20:13:47 < ReadError> huh
2015-09-08T20:13:53 < ReadError> vetus are dirt cheap
2015-09-08T20:14:14 < Ecco> http://www.vetustweezers.com/esd_anti_magnetic.htm
2015-09-08T20:14:58 < englishman> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/331580991955
2015-09-08T20:15:15 < Ecco> That looks like some chinese crap
2015-09-08T20:15:20 < Ecco> definitely not "swiss quality"
2015-09-08T20:15:26 < Ecco> look, even the paint is off
2015-09-08T20:15:31 < englishman> swiss quality = not made in switzerland
2015-09-08T20:15:49 < Ecco> well, I don't really care where it's been made
2015-09-08T20:15:58 < BrainDamage> swiss quality = reminds of gruyere
2015-09-08T20:16:04 < Ecco> :-D
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2015-09-08T20:16:35 < englishman> they are pretty crap but they were $1 and hold stuff just like $15 tweezers
2015-09-08T20:16:49 < Ecco> well, this is if you are lucky
2015-09-08T20:16:56 < Ecco> Some cheap tweezers are worthless
2015-09-08T20:17:44 < englishman> ReadError: is that twice youve given advice and twice hes given you reasons why your advice is bad
2015-09-08T20:18:02 < Ecco> sorry :-S
2015-09-08T20:18:16 < englishman> meanwhile i have a hotair station and tweezers and you have none
2015-09-08T20:18:24 < Ecco> True
2015-09-08T20:18:25 < ReadError> lol
2015-09-08T20:18:25 < englishman> take that, ireland
2015-09-08T20:18:34 < englishman> all potatoes for me
2015-09-08T20:18:36 < englishman> none 4 u
2015-09-08T20:18:38 < Ecco> :-D
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2015-09-08T20:47:21 < Tectu> yo o/
2015-09-08T20:49:16 < Sync> if you want good tweezers get lindström or swiss dumont
2015-09-08T20:49:28 < Tectu> lindström is awesome
2015-09-08T20:49:59 < Tectu> Sync, lindström was swiss too, no?
2015-09-08T20:50:02 < Sync> I have some watchmaker tweezers from dumont in gold plated brass
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2015-09-08T20:51:39 < Sync> swedish iirc
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2015-09-08T20:52:27 < Tectu> hmm, I could have sworn that I have some lindström tweezers that have a ´swiss made´ level
2015-09-08T20:52:30 < Tectu> label*
2015-09-08T20:52:37 < Sync> they may have
2015-09-08T20:52:45 < Sync> but the company is swedish
2015-09-08T20:52:50 < Tectu> aah
2015-09-08T20:53:49 < Sync> but swiss dumont is also nice
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2015-09-08T20:54:26 < Tectu> I had some nice german tweezers flying around, give me a second
2015-09-08T20:54:41 < Tectu> Sync, how could you afford dumont tweezers?
2015-09-08T20:54:52 < Sync> wat
2015-09-08T20:55:10 < Tectu> these are also great: http://www.bernstein-werkzeuge.de/en/products/tweezers/
2015-09-08T20:55:12 < Tectu> those are german, afaik
2015-09-08T20:55:18 < Sync> yeah bernstein is german
2015-09-08T20:55:30 < Tectu> love their pliers
2015-09-08T20:55:37 < Sync> just because I am not a hill jew?
2015-09-08T20:55:44 < Tectu> wut?
2015-09-08T20:55:53 < Tectu> what did just happen?
2015-09-08T20:56:12 < Sync> you asking me why I can afford dumont tweezers
2015-09-08T20:57:00 < Tectu> uh, that was not meant to be offensive at all, sorry :D
2015-09-08T20:57:26 < Sync> I did not take it as offensive
2015-09-08T20:57:38 < Sync> but bergjuden does not translate well
2015-09-08T20:57:43 < Sync> :3
2015-09-08T20:58:34 < Tectu> never heard ´bergjuden´ before. I can only assume that that is a reference to the swiss? :D
2015-09-08T20:58:45 < Sync> yes
2015-09-08T20:58:50 < Tectu> lol
2015-09-08T20:59:09 < Tectu> is that used all accross germany or something specific to your region?
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2015-09-08T20:59:14 < Tectu> really never heard that one before :D
2015-09-08T20:59:35 < Sync> I have heard it in different places
2015-09-08T21:00:46 < Tectu> dongs would love it
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2015-09-08T21:03:36 < Sync> possibly
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2015-09-08T21:44:27 < Ecco> http://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00EPMAK8G/ Nice… but pricey
2015-09-08T21:44:30 < Ecco> but nice :)
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2015-09-08T21:51:18 < Ecco> Indeed: http://www.lindstromtools.us/sites/default/files/TL%2000_SA%20ET.jpg
2015-09-08T21:55:28 < Ecco> Possible
2015-09-08T21:56:24 < Ecco> I wonder why many of you guys seem to be so skeptical about "non-dirt-cheap tools"
2015-09-08T21:56:39 < Ecco> I mean, sure, when you buy higher-end stuff the company makes more profit out of you
2015-09-08T21:56:56 < Ecco> that doesn't mean that what you purchase is necessarily not better than a cheaper version
2015-09-08T21:57:26 < Ecco> Exemple : I've bought a set of chinese screwdrivers, and a similar set from AEG
2015-09-08T21:57:35 < Ecco> The chinese one was like $10, the AEG $20
2015-09-08T21:57:44 < Ecco> Thing is, the chinese tips broke after a coupe use
2015-09-08T21:57:54 < Sync> well why do you buy two chinese POS screwdrivers
2015-09-08T21:57:56 < Sync> AEG is TTI
2015-09-08T21:58:03 < Sync> headquatered in hongkong
2015-09-08T21:58:03 < Ecco> whereas the AEG one, even though I've been using them for like 2 years, are brand new
2015-09-08T21:58:37 < Sync> I think the point is that usually good equipment is a single investment
2015-09-08T21:58:44 < Sync> so it is not worth trying to cheap out there
2015-09-08T21:58:52 < Ecco> well, I couldn't agree more!
2015-09-08T21:59:05 < Ecco> Of course very often you don't need high-end gear
2015-09-08T21:59:16 < Ecco> And like I said, I'm not looking for gold-plated screwdrivers
2015-09-08T21:59:41 < Ecco> but purchasing some with a decent alloy (I think it contained Molybden FWIW) was actually a good investment
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2015-09-08T22:00:16 < Sync> the gold plated tweezers are nice
2015-09-08T22:00:31 < Ecco> Oh I'm sure they are, but maybe this is a bit overkill?
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2015-09-08T22:02:08 < Sync> well, the point is they are brass so they don't mark watch parts
2015-09-08T22:02:22 < Sync> and gold so that they don't leave traces that could corrode
2015-09-08T22:02:26 < Ecco> oh, ok
2015-09-08T22:02:37 < Sync> it's not only for the swag
2015-09-08T22:02:40 < Ecco> Makes sense for a watchmaker then I guess :)
2015-09-08T22:03:03 < decimad> Hey there... so I'm finding code like http://pastebin.com/vNa0j8dz literally anywhere, setting up a GPIO with the stm cube... But where the hell are the alternate function indices configured with stm cube? This tiny bit of information seems to be omitted everywhere I looked in the last half hour
2015-09-08T22:04:05 < Ecco> To be honest, I've never bothered to use Cube. I just read the datasheet and wrote my own code.
2015-09-08T22:04:19 < Ecco> Maybe a waste of time, but it was a great learning experience.
2015-09-08T22:04:43 < decimad> Yes, true that, I basically want to compare http://pastebin.com/jkfGDcWp with a version in cube-language
2015-09-08T22:04:59 < decimad> And I have no freaking clue about cube ;)
2015-09-08T22:05:09 < Ecco> WTF is that "using" directive?
2015-09-08T22:05:15 < decimad> type alias
2015-09-08T22:05:23 < decimad> the "new" typedef
2015-09-08T22:05:35 < Ecco> Too much C++ for me in there :)
2015-09-08T22:06:41 < decimad> it's just defining pins for signals and then activating all necessary ports and configures them as eth alternate funcs
2015-09-08T22:06:48 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-08T22:07:20 < decimad> but I need to set the eth alternate function... in these cube examples I only see them setting up the io, but not setting which alternate function they want
2015-09-08T22:07:29 < decimad> or I'm missing something between the lines
2015-09-08T22:07:47 < Ecco> GPIO_InitStructure.GPIO_Mode = GPIO_Mode_AF_PP
2015-09-08T22:07:52 < Ecco> isn't that what it does?
2015-09-08T22:08:10 < decimad> well, but there are like 5 possible alternate functions for each pin
2015-09-08T22:08:26 < Ecco> yeah, isn't that what the "_PP" part do?
2015-09-08T22:08:37 < decimad> I guess it tells push&pull output
2015-09-08T22:08:39 < Ecco> (aren't there, maybe, GPIO_MODE_AF_SOMETHINGELSE?)
2015-09-08T22:08:55 < Ecco> Well that's what I thought, but that wouldn't make much sense for an AF…
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2015-09-08T22:09:50 < decimad> Yeah, that got me confused back then too, but my alternate functions wouldnt work if I wouldn't configure it as an output... iirc... but that's not an issue currently
2015-09-08T22:10:11 < Ecco> HOnestly, I've no idea
2015-09-08T22:10:20 < Ecco> Maybe they don't need to set the AF because the default value suits them?
2015-09-08T22:10:22 < decimad> AF_PP doesnt say ETH or Timer or whatever... so I'm quite lost where they set this up
2015-09-08T22:10:39 < decimad> maybe, hrmmm
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2015-09-08T22:12:52 < decimad> GPIOx_AFRx writes are omitted... hrmmm
2015-09-08T22:13:44 < Ecco> Are you sure the samples you talk about actually work?
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2015-09-08T22:19:19 < decimad> See f.e. this https://github.com/dongfang/ARMBrushlessGCFirmware/blob/master/src/usart.c
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2015-09-08T22:23:40 < decimad> okay, there is a function void GPIO_PinAFConfig( ... ) specified in the docs
2015-09-08T22:23:59 < Ecco> I guess, in that case, that the default value suited then
2015-09-08T22:24:00 < decimad> but it does not seem to be necessary to call it in moste cases, it seems
2015-09-08T22:24:17 < decimad> yeah, I'll check for reset values
2015-09-08T22:24:52 < decimad> all reset values are 0x0, ie. AF0 for every gpio
2015-09-08T22:25:02 < Ecco> yes
2015-09-08T22:25:08 < Ecco> and maybe, in their case, they're using AF0?
2015-09-08T22:25:58 < decimad> well, on stm32f4 AF0 is system functions... like jtag interface and such... no peripherals
2015-09-08T22:26:40 < decimad> maybe it's handled differently on smaller mcus? hrmmm
2015-09-08T22:27:23 < Ecco> I don't know :-/
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2015-09-08T22:38:48 < decimad> hrmm, another thing could be that stm cube sets up default alternate funcs in its init stuff
2015-09-08T22:39:35 < decimad> anyways, too much time... the equivalent code would probably look ugly and hard to maintain on pin changes... my onclusion ;)
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2015-09-08T22:57:06 < Ecco> Some dude on YouTube highly recommends flux from AMTECH
2015-09-08T22:57:09 < Ecco> Namely, NC-559-V2-TF
2015-09-08T22:57:13 < Ecco> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqaZpIDEju8
2015-09-08T22:57:28 < Ecco> (The guy seems to have pretty good gear)
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2015-09-08T22:58:36 < Ecco> Toolnerdgasm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVoBZqlvCKo
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2015-09-08T23:04:44 < decimad> what is he talking about the whole time?
2015-09-08T23:04:58 < decimad> he's saying people are dumb and a lot of bs
2015-09-08T23:05:03 < decimad> don't like that guy
2015-09-08T23:06:18 < kakimir> is having flux an issue? is there bad flux?
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2015-09-08T23:20:36 < Steffann>  /
2015-09-08T23:25:36 < emeb> -
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2015-09-09T00:18:39 < PeterM> [06:06] <kakimir> is having flux an issue? is there bad flux? - yes, if there wasn't there'd only be one type of flux.
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2015-09-09T00:24:51 < Fleck>  morning Tectu
2015-09-09T00:25:20 < Tectu> yo Fleck
2015-09-09T00:25:25 < Tectu> how are you_
2015-09-09T00:25:29 < ReadError> Tectu plz to ban stupid_guest ;(
2015-09-09T00:25:37 < ReadError> every time i click in there, my head hurts
2015-09-09T00:25:47 < Tectu> ReadError, #chibios?
2015-09-09T00:25:51 < ReadError> si
2015-09-09T00:25:52 < ReadError> yes
2015-09-09T00:26:02 < Tectu> ReadError, I can´t do much as long as he´s not being offensive or something
2015-09-09T00:26:08 < Tectu> or posting crap
2015-09-09T00:26:33 < ReadError> but but but....okay ;(
2015-09-09T00:26:36 < Tectu> ReadError, you can always /ignore him
2015-09-09T00:26:47 < ReadError> I am anti-ignore
2015-09-09T00:27:09 < Tectu> Not much I can do for you then, sorry
2015-09-09T00:27:20 < Tectu> he might be annoying but he is friendly
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2015-09-09T01:22:45 < yan_> i'm planning on creating a small bootloader to grab an image via a bluetooth ic for the stm32L1. is it as simple as flash_unlock()ing, then writing new firmware, then re-locking and resetting?
2015-09-09T01:23:48 < ds2> think you need to make sure you are flashing underneath yourself
2015-09-09T01:24:02 < yan_> ds2: the plan is to use the first 2-4k as a permanent bootloader
2015-09-09T01:24:14 < yan_> and make sure to write afterwards.. should also make linking easier
2015-09-09T01:24:36 < ds2> as long as you are in the same block that you are writing to
2015-09-09T01:24:45 < ds2> otherwise, you might have to move yourself to ram
2015-09-09T01:25:02 < yan_> same flash block? as in page?
2015-09-09T01:25:27 < ds2> donno the exact arrangement of the flash on that part
2015-09-09T01:25:40 < ds2> page is usually for erase size
2015-09-09T01:25:57 < ds2> by block I mean the group since the flash controller can take out the whole block
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2015-09-09T01:34:58 < ds2> I think bank might be a more often used term
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2015-09-09T02:08:05 < dongs> Hello, My name is Duong.
2015-09-09T02:08:05 < dongs> I come from to Vietnam.I'd love to do a product like yours.My english is poor,i can wrong.You expect sympathy.But I am a new programmer, no experience.Can you give me your project and code,please ?. My email is duongpham.2111@gmail.com. Thank you!
2015-09-09T02:16:09 < dongs> attn upgrdman http://i.imgur.com/BUjNTFW.gifv
2015-09-09T02:17:27 < Roklobsta> dongs: have a heart, he sounds just like you 20 years ago.
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2015-09-09T02:40:00 < kakimir> http://36.media.tumblr.com/f247e7534b782e46bcd39ddf4002aa07/tumblr_nh4dtghUHM1tl7u11o2_540.jpg this must be cousins of zyp's cat
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2015-09-09T03:31:36 < kakimir> let's move to south murica R2COM?
2015-09-09T03:33:11 < kakimir> *america
2015-09-09T03:39:42 < jadew> I watched a youtube video a while ago, showing various stuff under the microscope, they pretty much said that beach sand looks like this: http://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2014/01/sandgrains1.jpg
2015-09-09T03:40:56 < jadew> my own research says they're freaking liers: http://dumb.ro/files/IMG_1770.jpg
2015-09-09T03:41:18 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/IMG_1771.jpg
2015-09-09T03:45:28 < jef79m> broken bottles and old toenails.
2015-09-09T03:45:51 < kakimir> that is coral sand fool
2015-09-09T03:46:11 < kakimir> but nice photos
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2015-09-09T03:47:18 < kakimir> that looks like silica mainly
2015-09-09T03:48:04 < jadew> kakimir, some of them look like they might have been part of the shell of some creature at some point
2015-09-09T03:48:23 < jadew> but most likely bigger shells which shattered
2015-09-09T03:48:29 < kakimir> jadew: some of them have been little animals
2015-09-09T03:48:33 < jadew> nothing like what's presented in that picture
2015-09-09T03:48:43 < jadew> yeah, probably
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2015-09-09T03:49:40 < jadew> the ones created from deposits are easily distinguishable
2015-09-09T03:49:44 < kakimir> where did you get that sands?
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2015-09-09T03:49:53 < jadew> from the beach
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2015-09-09T03:50:48 < jadew> I wonder if I should have gotten it from the sea
2015-09-09T03:50:57 < jadew> R2COM, no, too many dongs there
2015-09-09T03:52:12 < jadew> what can we do
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2015-09-09T03:55:12 < jadew> I wonder if we should start calling them european-indians
2015-09-09T03:55:26 < jadew> they get offended if you call them indians
2015-09-09T03:56:23 < jadew> you're gonna get beat up
2015-09-09T03:58:35 < kakimir> okay R2COM 1) warm areas 2) outgoing way of life 3) no gypsies and so because they didn't pay ticket for cruise 4) promising future development
2015-09-09T03:58:35 < kakimir> some
2015-09-09T03:59:01 < kakimir> of course it has to be reasonable priced
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2015-09-09T04:03:59 < kakimir> aaand of course??
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2015-09-09T05:18:59 < dongs> wtf
2015-09-09T05:19:07 < dongs> i told google recruiter i was in japan and not intersted and he replied anyway
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2015-09-09T05:24:12 < dongs> you mean
2015-09-09T05:24:14 < dongs> DONGLE
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2015-09-09T06:11:54 < upgrdman> dongs, nice gif
2015-09-09T06:11:59 < upgrdman> how did google find you?
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2015-09-09T06:18:19 < dongs> from my shithub account, lol
2015-09-09T06:18:49 < dongs> theres nothing impressive there either
2015-09-09T06:18:52 < dongs> so i duno wtf they want
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2015-09-09T06:59:50 < englishman> such trolling ability is quite rare
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2015-09-09T07:10:40 < dongs> psh
2015-09-09T07:16:04 < englishman> why use platinum when you have stockrooms full of palladium
2015-09-09T07:22:15 < upgrdman> scammer. lol.  http://i.imgur.com/tBJtSiI.gifv
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2015-09-09T07:31:48 < dongs> wata dumbfuck
2015-09-09T07:32:07 < upgrdman> THIS is what selfie sticks are for:  http://i.imgur.com/uy9Lbnl.gifv
2015-09-09T07:33:06 < zyp> I thought they were for beating up people taking selfies
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2015-09-09T07:45:23 < jadew> I saw so many people using selfie sticks in my latest vacation
2015-09-09T07:45:47 < jadew> I didn't even know they existed till last week
2015-09-09T07:47:05 < jadew> and I even thought I didn't feel the need for one, I thought they were a good idea, until I saw a phone fall off of a stick
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2015-09-09T07:49:17 < jadew> it fills a need
2015-09-09T07:49:27 < jadew> lots of people felt their arm is not long enough
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2015-09-09T07:57:55 < Roklobsta> or they have no friends to take the photo for them
2015-09-09T07:59:20 < jadew> any stranger will do it
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2015-09-09T08:00:24 < jadew> "hey hot chick, would you mind taking a photo of me when I pose in such a way that it looks like I'm holding this statue from falling?"
2015-09-09T08:00:35 < jadew> "thanks, can I buy you a coffee?"
2015-09-09T08:00:47 < jadew> bam, photo and a date!
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2015-09-09T08:02:26 < jadew> true story
2015-09-09T08:02:53 < Roklobsta> some australian lady fell off the Troll's Tongue in Norway the other day doing just that.
2015-09-09T08:03:04 < jadew> R2COM, not mine, I'm married
2015-09-09T08:04:20 < jadew> and when I was single, phones were taking 320x200 pictures
2015-09-09T08:04:43 < jadew> Roklobsta, using a selfie stick?
2015-09-09T08:05:04 < jadew> night
2015-09-09T08:05:55 < jadew> if anyone need some eye droppers that graduated 3ml: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371432955105
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2015-09-09T08:06:22 < jadew> "Low Density Polyethylene.And it graduated 3ml."
2015-09-09T08:07:10 < jadew> especially since they can't guarantee the color lol
2015-09-09T08:13:16 < dongs> yea, no
2015-09-09T08:13:30 < dongs> they come preloaded with aids
2015-09-09T08:13:38 < jadew> heh
2015-09-09T08:14:03 < jadew> I'm gonna use them to study bacteria anyway
2015-09-09T08:14:19 < jadew> so they're not for my own use
2015-09-09T08:14:28 < jadew> well, for medical use
2015-09-09T08:14:52 < jadew> I'm sure they're fine
2015-09-09T08:15:10 < jadew> probably the same factory that sells them to pharmacies
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2015-09-09T08:34:08 < zyp> huh, f37x doesn't have TIM1/8
2015-09-09T08:34:12 < dongs> lol
2015-09-09T08:34:17 < dongs> no advanced timering?
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2015-09-09T08:35:06 < zyp> oh, but TIM15/16/17
2015-09-09T08:36:21 < dongs> areant those gimped
2015-09-09T08:36:23 < dongs> 2 channel shits
2015-09-09T08:36:43 < zyp> maybe, but they have the complementary channels
2015-09-09T08:36:47 < dongs> o
2015-09-09T08:37:22 < zyp> well, idk, not gonna use them anyway
2015-09-09T08:38:41 < zyp> I'm also considering doing a cheapo 2L prototype of the nrf51 shit I'm planning to test the circuit before I put money into making it super small
2015-09-09T08:39:15 < dongs> thats a good idea
2015-09-09T08:39:21 < dongs> what do you need to test?
2015-09-09T08:39:26 < dongs> i can cut half of hte dildo off
2015-09-09T08:39:28 < dongs> for prototyping
2015-09-09T08:39:34 < dongs> i just copypasted nrf schematic/layout tho
2015-09-09T08:39:56 < zyp> haha, no, I already have this shit for testing: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/BC358.JPG
2015-09-09T08:40:06 < zyp> I'm thinking about the rest of the circuit
2015-09-09T08:40:11 < dongs> ah rite
2015-09-09T08:41:11 < dongs> h,
2015-09-09T08:41:18 < dongs> zyp, if i have 4 timer channels right
2015-09-09T08:41:20 < dongs> on same timer
2015-09-09T08:41:26 < dongs> and I want to 'start" them at different times
2015-09-09T08:41:32 < dongs> do I just preload CCR or whatever then enable timer?
2015-09-09T08:41:40 < zyp> start?
2015-09-09T08:41:43 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-09T08:41:43 < dongs> like
2015-09-09T08:41:49 < dongs> i wanna drive ghettostepper
2015-09-09T08:41:59 < dongs> so its like 4 pulses slight ly offset
2015-09-09T08:42:07 < dongs> no speed control or anything just real dumb
2015-09-09T08:42:38 < zyp> uh, well, pulses have both length and offset
2015-09-09T08:42:41 < dongs> http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/UnipolarWave.GIF
2015-09-09T08:42:46 < zyp> normally length is what you put into CCR
2015-09-09T08:42:48 < dongs> like this
2015-09-09T08:43:11 < dongs> any way to easily stagger it like that?
2015-09-09T08:44:33 < dongs> yeah offset
2015-09-09T08:45:29 < dongs> https://github.com/ZiSo89/STM32/blob/master/IWDG/USER/main.c lol this guy is a fucking pro
2015-09-09T08:46:49 < zyp> I don't think there's any way to do that in a simple way with only one timer
2015-09-09T08:46:56 < dongs> psh...
2015-09-09T08:49:50 < dongs> cant I 'start' each channel with a delay?
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2015-09-09T08:51:08 < dongs> below is our Intersil parts hot offer, pls check, any request ple send to me
2015-09-09T08:51:23 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/PIKh7H81.html
2015-09-09T08:51:32 < dongs> ^ attn PeterM
2015-09-09T08:51:42 < dongs> probly just trash tho
2015-09-09T08:55:25 < emeb_mac> heh - no ISL5239
2015-09-09T08:56:05  * emeb_mac designed a lot of that chip
2015-09-09T08:56:38 < dongs> yeagh uh that sounds like something very expensive
2015-09-09T08:57:01 < dongs> many ballz
2015-09-09T08:57:55 < emeb_mac> damn straight
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2015-09-09T10:23:17 < dongs> scrts_w: shit STILL doesnt match
2015-09-09T10:24:17 < dongs> i.e. Y7/MCP on chinkdatasheet, that means data[7], then china table doesn't have data[8] or [9].
2015-09-09T10:25:58 < dongs> asking fucking chinks
2015-09-09T10:26:00 < dongs> this is ridiculous
2015-09-09T10:35:40 < Ecco> I've seen people using isopropyl alcohol as a general purpose solvent to clean PCBs
2015-09-09T10:35:51 < Ecco> Thing is, this thing is apparently a lot more popular in the US than in Europe
2015-09-09T10:36:15 < Ecco> Can Ethanol be used as a replacement?
2015-09-09T10:39:41 < zyp> more popular?
2015-09-09T10:40:02 < zyp> I have no problems buying isopropanol here in norway
2015-09-09T10:40:07 < Ecco> Where?
2015-09-09T10:40:16 < zyp> anywhere?
2015-09-09T10:40:27 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-09T10:40:33 < PaulFertser> I have problems buyig ethanol here in ru.
2015-09-09T10:41:02 < Ecco> Well, here you can buy 99% pure ethanol pretty much everywhere
2015-09-09T10:41:16 < Ecco> (note the remaining 1% will make you sick as fuck if you ever try to dring it though :-D)
2015-09-09T10:41:33 < Ecco> But litteraly everywhere, local grocery store, supermarkets, you name it
2015-09-09T10:42:03 < Ecco> Now I've looked for IPA, even at stuff like our local Home Depot
2015-09-09T10:42:08 < Ecco> Couldn't find any…
2015-09-09T10:42:47 < Ecco> Even Amazon doesn't sell any
2015-09-09T10:42:58 < PaulFertser> I think ethanol works nicely for cleaning PCBs.
2015-09-09T10:43:26 < Ecco> I've used it already to revive a MacBook motherboard whose owner droped a sugar beverage on
2015-09-09T10:43:59 < Ecco> I just drowned the mobo in ethanol for like 10 minutes, brushed it with a soft toothbrush, and dryed it with a blowdryer
2015-09-09T10:44:02 < Ecco> worked like a charm
2015-09-09T10:44:10 < Ecco> but I don't know if this would clean of residual flux for example
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2015-09-09T10:53:12 < scrts_w> hi dongs
2015-09-09T10:53:40 < scrts_w> any chance you can double check the GND signals on the flexcable?
2015-09-09T10:53:49 < scrts_w> to see if it will match the documented pinout?
2015-09-09T11:00:38 < dongs> yo
2015-09-09T11:00:41 < dongs> just chatted to chinatrash
2015-09-09T11:00:45 < dongs> finally it makes sense
2015-09-09T11:01:00 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ledmnE6.png this right
2015-09-09T11:01:16 < dongs> top right vertical list uses Y9..Y2
2015-09-09T11:01:23 < dongs> bottom left bigtable uses Y7..Y0
2015-09-09T11:01:31 < dongs> to mean.. Y9..Y2
2015-09-09T11:01:43 < dongs> so after that, it all makes sense
2015-09-09T11:10:37 < scrts_w> thumbs up :>
2015-09-09T11:10:47 < scrts_w> are you going to transfer jpeg video to the pc?
2015-09-09T11:11:22 < dongs> jpeg to stm32
2015-09-09T11:11:24 < dongs> just stills
2015-09-09T11:14:33 < scrts_w> and then what? to sd card? :)
2015-09-09T11:14:48 < scrts_w> for jpeg image you will have to add your own header
2015-09-09T11:14:59 < scrts_w> otherwise it's just image data compressed to jpeg
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2015-09-09T11:15:15 < qyx_> wat
2015-09-09T11:15:51 < dongs> scrts_w: and thats it, i ahvent figured out waht to do next
2015-09-09T11:15:52 < qyx_> of2640 outputs everything, ov5640 probably too
2015-09-09T11:16:02 < qyx_> including headers
2015-09-09T11:16:06 < dongs> JFIF header?
2015-09-09T11:16:11 < qyx_> yes
2015-09-09T11:16:23 < scrts_w> qyx_: is it a custom option?
2015-09-09T11:16:25 < scrts_w> I didn't see that
2015-09-09T11:16:31 < scrts_w> or every frame has a header?
2015-09-09T11:16:46 < scrts_w> which, for video, becomes overhead
2015-09-09T11:17:41 < qyx_> at least iirc
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2015-09-09T11:17:48 < qyx_> i didn$'t do anything special with it
2015-09-09T11:18:26 < qyx_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10349622/extract-thumbnail-from-jpeg-file
2015-09-09T11:18:29 < qyx_> There is a much simpler solution for this problem, but I don't know how reliable it is: Start reading the JPEG file from the third byte and search for FFD8 (start of JPEG image marker), then for FFD9 (end of JPEG image marker). Extract it and voila, that's your thumbnail
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2015-09-09T11:23:39 < scrts_w> header every frame would be stupid...
2015-09-09T11:23:40 < scrts_w> :/
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2015-09-09T11:32:27 < decimad> Hey, I asked already yesterday, but maybe you guys know... does the cube library somehow set up default alternate modes for all GPIOs in the startup code? In the source examples I see online, they only set up GPIOs to alternate mode, but don't specify which alternate mode to use, at least if I'm reading it correctly. Still they comment it with "Set peripheral unit X on GPIO Y"
2015-09-09T11:42:34 < rewolff2> ecco: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=isopropyl+alcohol+1l&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H1.Xisopropyl+alcohol.TRS1&_nkw=isopropyl+alcohol&_sacat=0
2015-09-09T11:42:34 < rewolff2> Add "1L" to the search for the bigger bottles. (or scroll until you find something you like).
2015-09-09T11:42:34 < rewolff2> For chemicals: Just go to the nearest drug store. They have lots. (although sometimes they don't know what they sell)
2015-09-09T11:43:22 < rewolff2> I asked for NaOH, and it took them five minutes of me insisting that they had the stuff until they found it.
2015-09-09T11:43:33 < __rob2> decimad, yes it will setup everything for you
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2015-09-09T12:32:13 < PeterM> dongs if you can get datasheet ISL91107IRTAZ-T is pretty nice, IIRC its fine pitch bga but can all be done on top layer so standard fab can do it easy
2015-09-09T12:34:24 < PeterM> i also use the ISL55110IVZ-T as a high speed low side fet driver for a few applications  ( drives a  IPP530N15N3 @ 13.56Mhz no worries)
2015-09-09T12:37:14 < Taxman> it is qfn
2015-09-09T12:38:08 < PeterM> sorry?
2015-09-09T12:40:55 < Taxman> the device in the datasheet you named
2015-09-09T12:41:19 < PeterM> which one? i named two, one is WLCSP, the other is QFN
2015-09-09T12:42:58 < Ecco> BTW, how are you supposed to route the traces that go to BGA packages?
2015-09-09T12:43:01 < Taxman> the first one
2015-09-09T12:43:09 < Ecco> Especially the "center" pads
2015-09-09T12:43:22 < Ecco> Should they "snake" between the other pads?
2015-09-09T12:43:43 < PeterM> Ecco depends on the pitch and the ball count and the ball layout
2015-09-09T12:43:48 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-09T12:43:58 < Ecco> What are the general ways to do it?
2015-09-09T12:44:37 < PeterM> either there is unpopulated balls in the middle so you can route bigger traces through bigger vias for power, or the spacing allows room for via out
2015-09-09T12:46:00 < Ecco> So you can put vias straight inbetween balls?
2015-09-09T12:46:14 < Ecco> Wow, the drilling has to be pretty accurate I guess!
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2015-09-09T12:46:44 < PeterM> yeah\
2015-09-09T12:47:10 < Ecco> Ok :-) Interesting. Thanks!
2015-09-09T12:47:38 < PeterM> google bga escape routing or bga breakout routing and look at images
2015-09-09T12:48:09 < Ecco> ok, "escape routing" is exactly what I was looking for
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2015-09-09T12:48:22 < Ecco> So indeed, routing BGA seems like a nightmare :-D
2015-09-09T12:48:24 < PeterM> fanout also works
2015-09-09T12:48:31 < PeterM> not really
2015-09-09T12:48:47 < PeterM> its pretty easy, just requires decent fab
2015-09-09T12:48:53 < Ecco> hmm, I see
2015-09-09T12:49:02 < PeterM> the actual routing is copy+pasta
2015-09-09T12:49:22 < Ecco> Hmm, ok :)
2015-09-09T12:49:55 < Ecco> By the way, do you guys recommend any good fab that would do prototype runs (<5) in a decent time for a decent price?
2015-09-09T12:50:06 < Sync> PeterM: the isl55110ivz seems to be a nice driver
2015-09-09T12:50:07 < Ecco> I really like OSHPark, but shipping takes forever…
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2015-09-09T12:52:04 < PeterM> the isl55110 is good driver but low side only
2015-09-09T12:52:23 < PeterM> i've had nothign but problems from oshpark
2015-09-09T12:52:30 < Ecco> Really?
2015-09-09T12:52:34 < PeterM> yeah
2015-09-09T12:52:44 < Ecco> Well, so far I ordered one PCB from them
2015-09-09T12:52:46 < dongs> oshpark quality is crap
2015-09-09T12:52:49 < Ecco> It was a simple one though
2015-09-09T12:52:52 < Ecco> It seemed OK
2015-09-09T12:53:02 < Ecco> And it was cheap
2015-09-09T12:53:06 < Ecco> and purple, which looks nice :)
2015-09-09T12:53:15 < Ecco> More seriously though, what would you recommend?
2015-09-09T12:53:59 < PeterM> pads/tracks over etched, vias missing drills, shitty board outline routing, gold plating failure, annular ring breakout
2015-09-09T12:54:10 < Ecco> :-S
2015-09-09T12:54:12 < PeterM> you name it, oshpark does it
2015-09-09T12:54:22 < Ecco> Hmm, vias missing drills is pretty bad
2015-09-09T12:54:48 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/AQGrCGY.jpg my purple boards aare nice too
2015-09-09T12:55:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Ds5jDHW.jpg but not my camera skillz
2015-09-09T12:55:09 < PeterM> *and* ahve real silkscreen
2015-09-09T12:55:14 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-09-09T12:55:27 < Ecco> dongs: Who built those PCBs?
2015-09-09T12:55:38 < PeterM> fuck off dongls, you should have glorious sharp nippon camera ninja skills
2015-09-09T12:55:48 < dongs> Ecco: me
2015-09-09T12:55:52 < Ecco> My needs ATM are very simple, 2 layers, decent minimal spacing (10mil)
2015-09-09T12:56:02 < Ecco> dongs: How?
2015-09-09T12:56:24 < Ecco> Do you make PCBs for other people?
2015-09-09T12:56:37 < dongs> yes but they're not cheap + my time is not checap
2015-09-09T12:56:39 < dongs> so I prefer not to do it
2015-09-09T12:56:40 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-09T12:56:48 < Ecco> Cheap is an important factor for me here
2015-09-09T12:57:05 < Ecco> I don't want absolute crap, but I will probably need to iterate quite a lot
2015-09-09T12:57:09 < Ecco> So if OSHPark is not so good
2015-09-09T12:57:16 < Ecco> What would you guys recommend, then?
2015-09-09T12:57:22 < dongs> oshpark will be OK if '10mil' is your 'decent spacing'
2015-09-09T12:57:22 < Sync> well PeterM I currently use ir2101 which are fine
2015-09-09T12:57:32 < dongs> like 95% of the shit i do is 5/5 spacing
2015-09-09T12:57:38 < Ecco> Yes, I'm not doing anything fancy
2015-09-09T12:58:01 < Ecco> I guess the most difficult thing needed are the UFQFN48 pads
2015-09-09T12:58:10 < PeterM> sync ir2101 is a completely different type of part
2015-09-09T12:58:13 < Sync> but the next generationâ„¢ hardware will use coolmos c7 so I suspect that I need faster gatedrive
2015-09-09T12:58:41 < Sync> yeah
2015-09-09T12:59:03 < Sync> I just realized that it is not HVCMOS
2015-09-09T12:59:06 < Sync> just had a skim read
2015-09-09T13:00:10 < PeterM> IR do best HV HS drivers, no doubt about it
2015-09-09T13:02:47 < PeterM> i just wish their drivers came with thermal pads because their higher power higher pseed drivers can get QUITE hot in SOIC
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2015-09-09T13:03:39 < Sync> well
2015-09-09T13:03:59 < Sync> I never had issues with them burning up
2015-09-09T13:04:16 < Sync> but they sure run crispy
2015-09-09T13:07:01 < PeterM> their drop-in 3A replacements get VERY hot at higher speeds though
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2015-09-09T13:10:36 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/ZRfgKTO.png is a nifty graph btw
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2015-09-09T13:17:40 < dongs> ugh
2015-09-09T13:17:45 < dongs> smartgridinsert shits itself
2015-09-09T13:17:51 < dongs> if you ahve a row that has a \n in it
2015-09-09T13:17:58 < dongs> i copypasted some trash from china datasheet
2015-09-09T13:18:10 < dongs> it was like Data output\nNOTE: faggot
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2015-09-09T13:20:02 < Lux> dongs: why does it say please donate on the spi flash footprint ?
2015-09-09T13:20:35 < dongs> Lux: for lolz
2015-09-09T13:20:41 < dongs> Lux: when retards take off 16mbit thing
2015-09-09T13:20:45 < dongs> to ghetto on 128mbit
2015-09-09T13:21:20 < Lux> right, cleanfight
2015-09-09T13:21:43 < Lux> but 16mbit is kinda useless tbh
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2015-09-09T13:21:54 < Lux> you can log like 2 mins or so of sensordata
2015-09-09T13:22:07 < dongs> lux, only because the way its implemented
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2015-09-09T13:22:52 < Lux> that's based on my estimations based on raw data you get from the sensors
2015-09-09T13:23:08 < Lux> or do you mean it should have some sort of compression ?
2015-09-09T13:26:53 < Lux> maybe you can get 5 mins, but i guess ideally it should be 10-20min
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2015-09-09T13:36:39 < Ecco> So So if OSHPark isn't such a good deal, what do you guys use to prototype PCBs?
2015-09-09T13:36:53 < effractu1> dirtypcbs
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2015-09-09T13:37:40 < PeterM> i dont really prototype much digital stuff, and for analogue stuff i prototype, i etch my own
2015-09-09T13:38:15 < Ecco> ok
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2015-09-09T13:39:21 < Ecco> Is ENIG finish really worth it?
2015-09-09T13:39:27 < dongs> http://c.dx.com/openx/maincategory/direct/20150909/DX10years_paymoresavemore_1200x80_en_f76907.jpg
2015-09-09T13:40:05 < PeterM> for boards that i need to be made in low quantity i use goldpheonixpcb or pcbcart
2015-09-09T13:40:49 < PeterM> enig is really nice for bga and qfn but otehr than that, you can pass
2015-09-09T13:41:29 < PeterM> dongs wut
2015-09-09T13:42:01 < dongs> PeterM: tell that to this retard jap who ordered 6layer board with HASL
2015-09-09T13:42:03 < dongs> with hasl
2015-09-09T13:42:13 < dongs> and like ~6 bga chips on it
2015-09-09T13:42:50 < Ecco> I have a single UFQFN48 chip to solder. Would that require ENIG, or can HASL do the trick?
2015-09-09T13:43:22 < PeterM> hasl is fine for prototype qfn, you can just rework the shti till it works
2015-09-09T13:43:33 < Ecco> Indeed :)
2015-09-09T13:43:42 < PeterM> HASL is OK for BGA is the pads a re super flat, but they probably arent
2015-09-09T13:43:49 < dongs> they arent
2015-09-09T13:43:54 < dongs> its the usual bumpy trash hasl
2015-09-09T13:44:01 < dongs> but i think the jap is nutso anyway
2015-09-09T13:44:07 < dongs> i think hes just using hot air
2015-09-09T13:44:10 < Ecco> ok, thanks!
2015-09-09T13:44:14 < dongs> and hoping there's enough solder on pads + bga
2015-09-09T13:44:16 < dongs> to maybe stick
2015-09-09T13:45:59 < Ecco> pcbcart is very expensive in my case (minimal quantity, 8cmx8cm 2layers -> $62)
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2015-09-09T13:48:28 < dongs> PeterM: any way to JL to relative coordinates in altidong
2015-09-09T13:48:49 < dongs> ie i have cursor somewhere, i ctrl+m, jl -> wanna jump to relative from now
2015-09-09T13:48:56 < dongs> X-0.75mm type thing
2015-09-09T13:50:54 < dongs> gfuck
2015-09-09T13:51:00 < dongs> i pressed something and i have a fucking zoom lens following mouse
2015-09-09T13:52:17 < dongs> k fixed
2015-09-09T13:52:20 < dongs> was shift-m/shift-g
2015-09-09T13:52:21 < dongs> ugh
2015-09-09T13:53:48 < PeterM> hotair on hasl for bga works if you have superdooper good flux, if you dont you're fucked
2015-09-09T13:54:13 < PeterM> also, no idea about relative sorry
2015-09-09T13:54:24 < dongs> yeah i just busted out calc.exe
2015-09-09T13:54:26 < dongs> sigh
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2015-09-09T13:55:16 < ReadError> Ecco http://dev.dangerousprototypes.com/store/pcbs
2015-09-09T13:55:34 < dongs> chink sellouts
2015-09-09T13:55:55 < ReadError> lol 5x5 -> 10x10cm = $2
2015-09-09T13:55:58 < ReadError> great value
2015-09-09T13:56:31 < Ecco> Yeah, I was precisely on this website
2015-09-09T13:57:10 < dongs> great value if you dont mind shit
2015-09-09T13:57:20 < dongs> cloners dont care about quality tho
2015-09-09T13:57:26 < dongs> which is why readSTONER uses it
2015-09-09T13:57:36 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6BU2aw1.png what molex is this cloned from
2015-09-09T13:57:37 < Ecco> Given what I'm doing, I guess I don't need something very high-end…
2015-09-09T13:57:40 < dongs> so I can steal 3d model from it
2015-09-09T13:57:41 < PeterM> dangerous prootypes aren't fast though
2015-09-09T13:57:55 < Ecco> Neither are OSHpark…
2015-09-09T13:58:07 < ReadError> well you can DHL it
2015-09-09T13:58:09 < Ecco> At $12, I feel like I can give it a try and see
2015-09-09T13:58:13 < ReadError> and get it pretty quick im sure
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2015-09-09T13:58:35 < PeterM> doesnt matter if post is fast if they take a week and a half the make the board
2015-09-09T13:58:39 < ReadError> Ecco smart-prototyping.com/PCB-Prototyping.html
2015-09-09T13:58:44 < ReadError> heard good things about them also
2015-09-09T13:58:52 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-09T13:58:55 < ReadError> oh he wants super rapid protos?
2015-09-09T13:59:03 < dongs> lol FUCKING MOLEX OWN SEARCH IS BROKEN
2015-09-09T13:59:09 < Ecco> Well, not necessarily "super rapid"
2015-09-09T13:59:23 < Ecco> I'd like a good compromise of "quick" and "not too expensive"
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2015-09-09T13:59:34 < PeterM> i dunno, he said quick so to me that excluded pretty much anything in china unless they had a quick turn service
2015-09-09T13:59:37 < Ecco> (I don't mind about top-notch quality, what I'm doing is super standard)
2015-09-09T13:59:53 < Ecco> Ok, let me give numbers : I don't mind waiting 2 weeks
2015-09-09T14:00:03 < dongs> i got some 48h turn boards last week
2015-09-09T14:00:08 < ReadError> so get any china fab w/ dhl/fedex/ups
2015-09-09T14:00:14 < ReadError> and it will happen in under 2 weeks
2015-09-09T14:00:16 < Ecco> (currently my last OSHPark order was placed 3 weeks ago and I still haven't received the boards)
2015-09-09T14:00:46 < PeterM> less than 2 weeks you can use pretty much anyone
2015-09-09T14:00:58 < Ecco> Except OSHPark, apparently :-D
2015-09-09T14:01:02 < ReadError> osh is ~10 days from order to boards
2015-09-09T14:01:04 < Ecco> Ok, so dangerous prototype
2015-09-09T14:01:11 < Ecco> is $30, including DHL shipping
2015-09-09T14:01:13 < ReadError> but im in USA so, bit faster
2015-09-09T14:01:19 < Ecco> Definitely
2015-09-09T14:01:23 < Ecco> The board was made quickly
2015-09-09T14:01:26 < Ecco> shipping takes forever
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2015-09-09T14:01:32 < Ecco> (from what they said)
2015-09-09T14:02:13 < ReadError> yea thats out of their hands
2015-09-09T14:02:24 < ReadError> expedited shipping is $$$
2015-09-09T14:02:57 < Sync> dongs: that is what you get for using molex
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2015-09-09T14:03:47 < Laurenceb__> talking of cables and shit
2015-09-09T14:04:03 < Laurenceb__> anyone know a custom cable supplier with MOQ less that 9000km  ?
2015-09-09T14:04:16 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-09T14:04:23 < Laurenceb__> I got some quotes from New England Wire and it was about that
2015-09-09T14:04:31 < Ecco> Note that Mouser offers free shipping for orders above $60 with FedEx
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2015-09-09T14:04:53 < Ecco> that thing took litteraly 2 fucking days to go from Texas to my place
2015-09-09T14:04:54 < ReadError> Ecco yea but does huge volumes
2015-09-09T14:04:58  * Laurenceb__ is trying to get his custom pneumatic / signal cable made somewhere
2015-09-09T14:05:12 < Sync> make it yourself
2015-09-09T14:05:13 < Ecco> They do. I'm sure OSHPark could find a decent deal with DHL/FedEx though
2015-09-09T14:05:16 < Laurenceb__> atm I'm making cables by rethreading audiophool stuff
2015-09-09T14:05:17 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2015-09-09T14:05:19 < ReadError> oshpark isnt a huge establishment
2015-09-09T14:05:27 < ReadError> its like 1 or 2 guys
2015-09-09T14:05:29 < Sync> rethreading audiophool stuff?
2015-09-09T14:05:31 < Ecco> yeah I guess
2015-09-09T14:05:35 < Ecco> I should send them an email :)
2015-09-09T14:05:35 < Laurenceb__> takes about 1 hour for a 1meter length
2015-09-09T14:05:52 < Laurenceb__> Sync: I need a complex triax setup with pneumatics as well
2015-09-09T14:05:55 < Sync> the fuck are you doing
2015-09-09T14:06:09 < Sync> just slap everything into a braided sleeve and be done
2015-09-09T14:06:27 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-09-09T14:07:01 < Laurenceb__> it has to be <4mm OD
2015-09-09T14:07:08 < ReadError> are you not performing this in a vacuum chamber and sealing the cables?
2015-09-09T14:07:30 < Laurenceb__> wut
2015-09-09T14:07:43 < Laurenceb__> ok nvm, bbl
2015-09-09T14:08:13 < Sync> shrinkwrap in raychem es2000 or some shit
2015-09-09T14:09:05 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2015-09-09T14:09:11 < Laurenceb__> actually that might just work
2015-09-09T14:09:40 < Laurenceb__> just needs some space for the air to pass through
2015-09-09T14:11:11 < Sync> put a small tube in with it
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2015-09-09T14:14:18 < Ecco> Holy shit
2015-09-09T14:14:24 < Ecco> I tried to get a quote from either DHL or FedEx
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2015-09-09T14:14:30 < Ecco> and it's like at the very least $50
2015-09-09T14:14:42 < Ecco> I really wonder how Mouser do…
2015-09-09T14:15:41 < zyp> picking up truckloads of packages is obviously cheaper than sending a guy all the way to pick up a single package from you
2015-09-09T14:16:19 < PeterM> http://spectrum.ieee.org/slideshow/semiconductors/devices/slideshow-a-day-in-the-life-of-digikey
2015-09-09T14:16:26 < PeterM> just incase you ahvent seen
2015-09-09T14:16:37 < PeterM> shits a year or two old
2015-09-09T14:16:40 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-09-09T14:16:59 < Ecco> But I've selected the "drop your package at a DHL(or FedEx) drop-off location"
2015-09-09T14:17:09 < Ecco> so that part of the cost shouldn't have such an impact
2015-09-09T14:17:12 < ReadError> yes they have contracts
2015-09-09T14:17:17 < ReadError> and it does have a huge impact
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2015-09-09T14:37:51 < dongs> wat
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2015-09-09T14:47:18 < Ecco> Oh well
2015-09-09T14:47:29 < Ecco> Actually I just checked my mailbox… and my OSHPark PCBs were in it!
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2015-09-09T14:49:29 < Tectu> what are you up to, Ecco?
2015-09-09T15:07:19 < qyx_> anyone knowns what's this? https://github.com/ossw/ossw-firmware-s120/tree/master/spiffs
2015-09-09T15:07:30 < qyx_> -n
2015-09-09T15:09:26 < Sync> some nordic shit
2015-09-09T15:10:03 < Sync> https://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/nordic/Products/nRF51822/S120-SDS/26275
2015-09-09T15:10:56 < qyx_> no, not the s120 thing
2015-09-09T15:11:07 < qyx_> i was reffering to the spiffs
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2015-09-09T15:13:42 < Sync> seems to be a wearleveled spi flash file system
2015-09-09T15:14:32 < Sync> https://github.com/pellepl/spiffs
2015-09-09T15:14:39 < qyx_> or better quastion would be how is it possible i didn't find it in the past
2015-09-09T15:14:44 < qyx_> looks much awesome
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2015-09-09T15:16:52 < deci> hehe, I finally implemented a constexpr full search for PLL parameters to find the optimal pll config parameters to match the osc freq to some destination freq...
2015-09-09T15:18:36 < deci> So intellisense will spit out {N, M, P, A} = {193, 50, 8, 512} for 8Mhz to 7.540 kHz
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2015-09-09T15:20:37 < decimad> which results in rougly 7.539 kHz obviously, but still, closest match apparently ;)
2015-09-09T15:21:17 < Tectu> hey decimad. Still alive?
2015-09-09T15:21:39 < decimad> Yes, I have been really busy writing stuff together :( and learning and all
2015-09-09T15:21:46 < decimad> And I'm still writing...
2015-09-09T15:21:47 < Tectu> decimad, that´s good
2015-09-09T15:21:51 < Tectu> decimad, what are you up to?
2015-09-09T15:22:02 < decimad> somehow finish my studies...
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2015-09-09T15:22:32 < decimad> well, not somehow, the plan is specific... but I'm wasting my time on TMP magics... ;)
2015-09-09T15:22:51 < Tectu> university starts again this monday :x
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2015-09-09T15:24:06 < decimad> And currently I need to wrap my head around integrator backstepping... but it seems to converge
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2015-09-09T15:25:46 < decimad> is that not really early? I'm used to mid-october here
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2015-09-09T15:26:10 < Tectu> decimad, mid september is standard here
2015-09-09T15:26:10 < decimad> having no lectures left, so I don't care for this
2015-09-09T15:26:30 < Tectu> nice :)
2015-09-09T15:26:32 < Tectu> third term here
2015-09-09T15:26:39 < Tectu> no more java \o/
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2015-09-09T15:27:27 < zyp> uh, start what?
2015-09-09T15:27:38 < zyp> lectures?
2015-09-09T15:27:44 < decimad> I used to do c++ all along until finally we had to do java in one single lecture...
2015-09-09T15:28:02 < Tectu> decimad, C++ starts for me now
2015-09-09T15:28:07 < Tectu> monday first lecture
2015-09-09T15:28:41 < decimad> and then I realized most people wouldnt know how to structure software so it is robust... people started failing pratical tests... hehe
2015-09-09T15:29:34 < decimad> anyways, need to got get back to work, laterz ;)
2015-09-09T15:29:51 < Tectu> decimad, not sure if my teachers will have that knowledge either
2015-09-09T15:30:46 < decimad> good luck, nothing is worse than lowering standards to get into lecture conformance regions...
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2015-09-09T16:51:11 < muxr> has anyone done any chiptune synthesis on STM32? Perhaps using pwm, or an external DAC?
2015-09-09T16:51:47 < dongs> i did a mod player
2015-09-09T16:51:58 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L-ZGksh9n8
2015-09-09T16:52:26 < dongs> the volume is prety shit
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2015-09-09T16:58:38 < muxr> nice dongs, thanks
2015-09-09T16:59:26 < dongs> looks like i can feed camera clock (XCLK/XVCLK) from any timer?
2015-09-09T16:59:34 < dongs> its range 6..24..54 mhz
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2015-09-09T17:32:53 < dongs> I agree! Lets all be amazed and grateful that this team is working so hard to produce something so amazing in such a difficult line of product creation. Anything technological is hard to master and perfect and when its a new piece of kit such as this it's even harder! Well done team!
2015-09-09T17:36:38 < Laurenceb> http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2015/Phriday/New_Flag/Saint_Sputnik_04.jpg
2015-09-09T17:36:48 < dongs> cool goatse bro
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2015-09-09T17:42:14 < Ecco> Hmm, ok, so I tried to solder my first QFN ever \o/
2015-09-09T17:42:26 < Ecco> Now I'm trying to figure out if, by any chance, it worked
2015-09-09T17:42:36 < Ecco> So I'm trying to get it to work with openocd
2015-09-09T17:42:37 < dongs> pics or it didnt happen
2015-09-09T17:42:43 < dongs> bad idea
2015-09-09T17:42:46 < Ecco> Ha
2015-09-09T17:42:48 < Ecco> What should I do?
2015-09-09T17:42:53 < dongs> try making it work wiht something that is Known to work
2015-09-09T17:42:57 < dongs> like proper stlink
2015-09-09T17:43:25 < Ecco> ok, so I have a setup that works with my STM32F429IDisco board
2015-09-09T17:43:28 < Ecco> (and openocd)
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2015-09-09T17:43:41 < Ecco> I'm using the same board, acting only as a stlink
2015-09-09T17:43:53 < Ecco> (apparently there are two jumpers that you have to remove and that should be ok)
2015-09-09T17:46:45 < Ecco> It ends up with "Error: init mode failed (unable to connect to the target)
2015-09-09T17:47:04 < Ecco> Which seems to be unambiguous: I fucked up :-D
2015-09-09T17:51:58 < Ecco> I wonder if my NRST isn't wrong though
2015-09-09T17:52:05 < Ecco> I have a pull-up for NRST on the chip
2015-09-09T17:52:27 < Ecco> and then this is also wired to NRST on the SWD bus
2015-09-09T17:52:41 < dongs> 10k? fine
2015-09-09T17:52:45 < dongs> what abou your boot0/boot1
2015-09-09T17:53:34 < Ecco> boot0 : pull down to GND
2015-09-09T17:53:50 < dongs> o rite, i remember you had a schematic review few weeks ago
2015-09-09T17:53:55 < Ecco> Yes :)
2015-09-09T17:53:55 < dongs> so its probly fine there
2015-09-09T17:54:14 < Ecco> I did forget those though, fortunately you guys warned me
2015-09-09T17:54:47 < Ecco> I'm powering my device from the "+3V" rail on my disco board
2015-09-09T17:55:03 < Ecco> Is that ok? Or sohuld the power come from the SWD bus?
2015-09-09T17:59:43 < dongs> doenst matter
2015-09-09T17:59:56 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-09T18:00:09 < Ecco> I've looked at it with a magnifying glass
2015-09-09T18:00:21 < Ecco> And I feel like my solders have a chance to be OK
2015-09-09T18:00:46 < Ecco> (I ordered a hot air gun, but in the meantime I had to make do with an iron… which was pretty hard)
2015-09-09T18:02:53 < Ecco> Ok now I'm confused: some people say that OpenOCD doesn't use the SWD interface
2015-09-09T18:03:02 < dongs> surely it does
2015-09-09T18:03:40 < dongs> if you tell it do
2015-09-09T18:03:41 < dongs> to
2015-09-09T18:03:55 < Ecco> transport select hla_swd
2015-09-09T18:04:00 < Ecco> ok so I did, that's not the issue
2015-09-09T18:05:34 < Ecco> Debug: 256 158 stlink_usb.c:402 stlink_usb_error_check(): unknown/unexpected STLINK status code 0x9
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2015-09-09T18:30:33 < Ecco> By the way, what does the default firmwar do on an STM32?
2015-09-09T18:30:59 < dongs> there isnt one
2015-09-09T18:31:13 < Ecco> well, the flash must be set to something, right?
2015-09-09T18:31:19 < dongs> yes, FFFFFF
2015-09-09T18:32:34 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-09T18:32:47 < Ecco> In practice, what does that do, once interpreted by the MCU?
2015-09-09T18:32:58 < Ecco> An exception straight away?
2015-09-09T18:33:16 < Ecco> I'm asking because I just measure how much current my board eats
2015-09-09T18:33:18 < dongs> FFF at vector  table start
2015-09-09T18:33:20 < Ecco> and it's taking 1.36 mA
2015-09-09T18:33:25 < dongs> which makes it do nothing useful
2015-09-09T18:33:54 < Ecco> So I guess it halts pretty quickly then?
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2015-09-09T18:34:39 < dongs> if youre not getting reply on swd you probably fucked up
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2015-09-09T18:40:43 < upgrdman_> Ecco, openocd works for me, but yes, when you have problems, run the official stm stutil to see if the problem is in fact with communication or the software on your end
2015-09-09T18:40:52 < upgrdman_> if you're in linux, use a vm
2015-09-09T18:41:04 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-09T18:41:24 < upgrdman_> i always keep a windows vm on a non-windows box, for shit just like this
2015-09-09T18:41:32 < Ecco> Allright, I'll give that a try
2015-09-09T18:43:11 < Ecco> ST's website isn't exactly very well made
2015-09-09T18:43:18 < Tectu> hah
2015-09-09T18:43:22 < Ecco> where do I find this thing? :-D
2015-09-09T18:44:00 < Tectu> Ecco, http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/PF258168#
2015-09-09T18:44:24 < Ecco> Thanks!
2015-09-09T18:44:40 < Tectu> welcome
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2015-09-09T18:51:53 < Ecco> Hmm ok
2015-09-09T18:52:05 < Ecco> First thing, I get a message "Old ST-Link firmware detected"
2015-09-09T18:53:02 < Tectu> In ST-Link Utility > ST-Link > Firmware Upgrade
2015-09-09T18:53:24 < Tectu> it will upgrade the firmware of the actual ST-Link
2015-09-09T18:53:39 < upgrdman_> yo dawg, i heard you like to install firmware
2015-09-09T18:53:40 < Tectu> Note: don´t do it on an STM32F7 Discovery
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2015-09-09T18:54:08 < Ecco> That's an STM32F4Disco
2015-09-09T18:54:19 < Ecco> Wouldn't upgrading the firmware break it with OpenOCD?
2015-09-09T18:54:38 < Tectu> nope, you will be fine
2015-09-09T18:54:41 < Tectu> I upgrade all my STLinks
2015-09-09T18:54:57 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-09T18:55:26 < Ecco> What's wrong with updating the F7 then?
2015-09-09T18:55:46 < Tectu> back the days I worked with it OpenOCD couldn´t handle a newer firmware and I had to manually downgrade
2015-09-09T18:55:51 < Tectu> not sure what the current status is on that
2015-09-09T18:56:03 < Tectu> only with F7, tho
2015-09-09T18:56:21 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-09T18:57:19 < Laurenceb> www.hitlerwasright.com
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2015-09-09T18:58:13 < upgrdman_> anyone here use eclipse/lpcexpresso? are there any eclipse plugins for generating ascii boxes or ascii art?
2015-09-09T18:59:53 < Ecco> Meh, no luck withTM32 ST-Link Utility :(
2015-09-09T19:00:35 < dongs> im downloading stm32cubemx
2015-09-09T19:00:50 < Tectu> dongs, don´t
2015-09-09T19:01:07 < dongs> i need something to do pin planning with
2015-09-09T19:01:18 < dongs> i dont feel like going through 30 pages in datasheet just to find all dcmi pins
2015-09-09T19:02:21 < dongs> AF table makes it a bit easier
2015-09-09T19:02:25 < dongs> but sure looks like shit is all over the place
2015-09-09T19:02:28 < dongs> what the hell
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2015-09-09T19:03:59 < dongs> lol...
2015-09-09T19:04:05 < dongs> sane DCMI pinout conflicts with sdio
2015-09-09T19:04:13 < dongs> this is dumb
2015-09-09T19:04:58 < upgrdman_> dcmi?
2015-09-09T19:05:07 < dongs> camera trash on f4
2015-09-09T19:05:13 < dongs> im making a zano clone
2015-09-09T19:05:14 < upgrdman_> ah
2015-09-09T19:05:24 < upgrdman_> sweet.
2015-09-09T19:05:41 < upgrdman_> be sure to make it work with microsoft's holoshit or whatever its called
2015-09-09T19:06:24 < Taxman> yeah stm32cubemx seems to help here
2015-09-09T19:06:50 < dongs> This application requires a Java Runtime Environment 1.7.0_45
2015-09-09T19:06:54 < dongs> yaaa, no.
2015-09-09T19:07:00 < upgrdman_> owned
2015-09-09T19:07:03 < Laurenceb> microsoft holohoax
2015-09-09T19:07:19 < mitrax> what do you guy use as backlight boost driver for LCDs?
2015-09-09T19:07:37 < dongs> er, which lcd? there's like literally million choies
2015-09-09T19:07:46 < dongs> how many led channels, max string voltage, max current, etc
2015-09-09T19:08:09 < mitrax> 5 leds, i'm trying a NCP5006 atm but it behaves weirdly
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2015-09-09T19:08:28 < dongs> o just single channel?
2015-09-09T19:09:02 < mitrax> yeah
2015-09-09T19:09:11 < dongs> loks pretty hard to fuck up
2015-09-09T19:09:34 < dongs> it has no brightness control?
2015-09-09T19:09:35 < mitrax> well it's supposed to work with a 5V supply but above 4V it doesn't
2015-09-09T19:09:42 < dongs> or you can pwm enable pin or somethin
2015-09-09T19:09:43 < mitrax> it has with PWM on a pin
2015-09-09T19:10:45 < dongs> and youre using all components as recommended?
2015-09-09T19:10:50 < mitrax> yep
2015-09-09T19:12:04 < dongs> does it work if you tie enable to 5V instead of pwming it?
2015-09-09T19:12:09 < dongs> (and are you pwming from 3.3V i/o?
2015-09-09T19:12:58 < mitrax> it starts at 3.3V but not at 5V, right now i'm not pwming it
2015-09-09T19:13:03 < dongs> o
2015-09-09T19:13:19 < dongs> so EN is just tied to vcc now?
2015-09-09T19:13:22 < dongs> dunno then ~
2015-09-09T19:13:24 < mitrax> yeah
2015-09-09T19:13:26 < dongs> start measuring stuff.
2015-09-09T19:13:44 < dongs> with scopes
2015-09-09T19:15:00 < mitrax> actually my friend is testing it ... he said he did everything as per the typical application schematics, i just realize he didn't use the recommended diode though, maybe the diode he put has a higher capacitance and that fuck things up
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2015-09-09T19:15:46 < dongs> ive used pretty much random B140F style schottky shits in these kinda converters and shit worked
2015-09-09T19:16:13 < dongs> http://www.diodes.com/catalog/Schottky___SBR_Rectifiers_6/B140_4250
2015-09-09T19:16:20 < dongs> damn diodes site is retarded
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2015-09-09T19:18:45 < Taxman> dongs: Java is not too bad, it works with linux too
2015-09-09T19:18:51 < dongs> Indoor follow me modes and hold position will come later through image processing. You are quite correct. The plan is to offer better obstacle avoidance when flying forwards such as intelligently steer around objects immediately in front, once again all by being able to process the video feed.
2015-09-09T19:18:57 < dongs> We may even release a module to replace the RGB display with a sole purpose of special camera and image handling for really cool features.
2015-09-09T19:19:00 < dongs> ha ha ha
2015-09-09T19:19:02 < dongs> god damn wehre does this guy get off
2015-09-09T19:20:43 < upgrdman_> is there any time, with an mcu, where you wouldnt need to make a global as volatile? just when the shared variable is never accessed in an ISR?
2015-09-09T19:20:52 < dongs> er
2015-09-09T19:20:55 < dongs> like always?
2015-09-09T19:21:09 < dongs> i dont think i have any projects with volatile globals
2015-09-09T19:21:23 < dongs> if you got shit you're accessing from that many places, youre doing somethin wrong anyway.
2015-09-09T19:21:52 < upgrdman_> ? shouldn't data that can be modified by an ISR be marked global so the compiler doesn't optimize out a read or write?
2015-09-09T19:22:11 < mitrax> dongs: gaaah he put a UF4007 instead of a schottky no wonder... now he put a B250 and it works ... thanks :)
2015-09-09T19:22:36 < upgrdman_> *marked volatile
2015-09-09T19:25:06 < dongs> cool
2015-09-09T19:26:55 < upgrdman_> dongs, weird. maybe it's a gcc thing? seems like you would always want to make a variable that could change "behind the scenes" as volatile since the compiler has no way to keep track of it
2015-09-09T19:27:41 < dongs> upgrdman_:  iduno, i generally don't  touch a lot of stuff from ISR, and if i do its registers or some other hardware stuff
2015-09-09T19:27:56 < dongs> i cant really think of any examples where I had to deal with normal vs volatile var
2015-09-09T19:28:14 < dongs> if I have to pass data i usually have a rtos and queues/messages going on.
2015-09-09T19:28:36 < upgrdman_> well, like the ADC. if you read values in the ISR, how do you share those values with code that will use it?
2015-09-09T19:28:46 < upgrdman_> or do you just use dma for that
2015-09-09T19:28:53 < dongs> dma into buffer
2015-09-09T19:28:56 < upgrdman_> k
2015-09-09T19:29:32 < Ecco> Oh oh
2015-09-09T19:29:38 < Ecco> I re-drag-soldered my QFN package
2015-09-09T19:29:41 < Ecco> put a shitload of flux
2015-09-09T19:29:43 < Ecco> annnnd
2015-09-09T19:29:46 < Ecco> it works \o/
2015-09-09T19:29:50 < upgrdman_> yay
2015-09-09T19:30:00 < Ecco> yay \o/
2015-09-09T19:30:02 < Ecco> I'm so proud!
2015-09-09T19:30:14 < Ecco> Ok, first thing first: cleaning that board
2015-09-09T19:30:16  * upgrdman_ hands Ecco a roman candle
2015-09-09T19:30:24 < Ecco> I litteraly drowned that thing in flux :)
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2015-09-09T19:35:57 < dongs> tom666
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2015-09-09T19:36:40 < dongs>  yay
2015-09-09T19:36:41 < dongs> er
2015-09-09T19:36:47 < dongs> We have detected you are using Google Chrome and might be unable to use the Java plugin from this browser. Starting with Version 42 (released April 2015), Chrome has disabled the standard way in which browsers support plugins. More info
2015-09-09T19:38:11 < Ecco> Apparently I had put too few solder
2015-09-09T19:38:25 < Ecco> I didn't want to create bridges, but I think I in fact missed some connections
2015-09-09T19:41:16 < Ecco> Hmm
2015-09-09T19:41:28 < Ecco> Running some code now halts with a signal handler
2015-09-09T19:41:31 < Ecco> Oh, ok I know
2015-09-09T19:41:40 < Ecco> I haven't updated my linker script :)
2015-09-09T19:42:58 < dongs> ya wow
2015-09-09T19:42:59 < dongs> you cant have
2015-09-09T19:43:02 < dongs> SDIO and DCMI at same time
2015-09-09T19:43:06 < dongs> what the fucking fuck
2015-09-09T19:43:31 < zyp> you can't?
2015-09-09T19:43:36 < dongs> pins conflict
2015-09-09T19:43:44 < zyp> oh
2015-09-09T19:43:53 < zyp> even on huge packages?
2015-09-09T19:43:57 < dongs> well, 100qfp
2015-09-09T19:44:02 < dongs> your shits
2015-09-09T19:44:25 < qyx_> wat
2015-09-09T19:44:36 < qyx_> using sdio and dcmi is a quite commom use case
2015-09-09T19:44:38 < qyx_> one would thing
2015-09-09T19:44:39 < qyx_> k
2015-09-09T19:44:44 < dongs> SDIO_D0 is on DCMI_D2
2015-09-09T19:44:44 < zyp> hmm, looks like even waveshare boards have traces going between the dcmi and the sdio sockets
2015-09-09T19:44:57 < dongs> and not remappable unless I missed it
2015-09-09T19:44:58 < dongs> checking more a bit
2015-09-09T19:45:09 < qyx_> use the cube (tm)
2015-09-09T19:45:18 < dongs> thats wat im doing
2015-09-09T19:46:19 < rewolff2> Ecco: bootloader code also has something special with "empty flash". In that case it'll remain in the bootloader instead of jumping to usercode.
2015-09-09T19:46:43 < dongs> hm wait
2015-09-09T19:46:49 < dongs> maybe 1bit still fits
2015-09-09T19:47:12 < zyp> D0 is 1bit
2015-09-09T19:47:54 < dongs> hm okay its not conflicting.
2015-09-09T19:47:59 < dongs> cube is just retarded
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2015-09-09T19:49:28 < aandrew> cube is retarded
2015-09-09T19:49:37 < aandrew> it's the "absolute bare minimum" vode
2015-09-09T19:49:39 < aandrew> code
2015-09-09T19:50:05 < dongs> im not even using it to output code
2015-09-09T19:50:12 < dongs> just the gui pin planner
2015-09-09T19:50:17 < dongs> fuck even looking at code it makes
2015-09-09T19:50:30 < Ecco> rewolff2: Intersting
2015-09-09T19:50:39 < Ecco> But is the bootloader used at all?
2015-09-09T19:50:46 < dongs> rewolff2: er, are you soure
2015-09-09T19:50:47 < Ecco> I thought it needed a special boot0/1 config
2015-09-09T19:50:53 < dongs> sure, even
2015-09-09T19:52:31 < Ecco> Ok, so apparently
2015-09-09T19:52:34 < Ecco> GNU LD
2015-09-09T19:52:45 < Ecco> INCLUDE filename: Include the linker script filename at this point.
2015-09-09T19:52:48 < Ecco> So far, so good
2015-09-09T19:52:51 < Ecco> (blablabla)
2015-09-09T19:52:58 < Ecco> "You can nest calls to INCLUDE up to 10 levels deep."
2015-09-09T19:53:06 < Ecco> But but but… why????
2015-09-09T19:53:19 < qyx_> maybe you like to include includes
2015-09-09T19:53:26 < Ecco> well of course
2015-09-09T19:53:29 < Ecco> but why 10
2015-09-09T19:53:40 < qyx_> for the lulz
2015-09-09T19:53:42 < qyx_> maybwe
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2015-09-09T19:55:37 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-09T19:56:27 < sadara> is this channel for ST micro's STM32F and STM32L series parts?
2015-09-09T19:56:40 < dongs> almost
2015-09-09T19:56:43 < dongs> also, hi sadara
2015-09-09T19:56:51 < sadara> wow long time
2015-09-09T19:56:52 < dongs> you just cant escape from me.
2015-09-09T19:57:26 < sadara> IRS Stalker....
2015-09-09T19:57:39 < sadara> s/IRS/IRC
2015-09-09T19:57:47 < dongs> i see wat you did there
2015-09-09T19:58:27 < ReadError> sadara is the guy making massive people killing drones?
2015-09-09T19:58:41 < dongs> yees
2015-09-09T19:58:54 < sadara> Koala killing :)
2015-09-09T19:59:32 < Steffann> We already have enough dronies here
2015-09-09T19:59:43 < sadara> Not doing drones atm
2015-09-09T20:00:13 < sadara> Finished last project, But I have an idea for another drone
2015-09-09T20:00:39 < sadara> why is it that the STM32 attracts drone users?
2015-09-09T20:00:53 < dongs> same reason arduino attracts idiots
2015-09-09T20:01:45 < sadara> dongs: http://www.stm32duino.com
2015-09-09T20:01:47 < ReadError> copypasta code?
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2015-09-09T20:05:45 < sadara> what are you guys up to these days?
2015-09-09T20:05:54 < dongs> mostly trolling
2015-09-09T20:06:34 < ReadError> mostly flyin zanos
2015-09-09T20:06:50 < englishman> killing drone babies
2015-09-09T20:07:21 < ReadError> everytime you break a prop god kills a lipo
2015-09-09T20:08:55 < sadara> zano = mips ....
2015-09-09T20:09:24 < dongs> zano = scam ....
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2015-09-09T20:11:00 < sadara> seems a little expencive
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2015-09-09T20:24:16 < Bundestrojaner1> good evening
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2015-09-09T20:26:27 < ReadError> <dongs> you cant spell holocaust without lol
2015-09-09T20:27:29 < Bundestrojaner1> is there any tutorial for i2c on the STM32F0-discovery?
2015-09-09T20:27:30 < Bundestrojaner1> i seached google but without any succes...
2015-09-09T20:27:30 < Bundestrojaner1> i know what i2c is and used it on ATMegas, but i have no idea how to use it on stm32
2015-09-09T20:27:44 < dongs> have you looked at stdperiphlib?
2015-09-09T20:27:52 < dongs> it comes with 'Examples' folder
2015-09-09T20:27:59 < dongs> and has 2-3 different I2C usage scenarios
2015-09-09T20:28:08 < dongs> or failing that, you can always just bitbang it arduino-style.
2015-09-09T20:28:33 < Bundestrojaner1> dongs: yes, i looked at the eeprom-example because it's what i want to do
2015-09-09T20:29:56 < rewolff2> Re: bootloader: Wait. Now I remember.
2015-09-09T20:29:56 < rewolff2> IF bootmode = boot-to-user-code AND flash-is-empty THEN jump-to-bootloader-anyway
2015-09-09T20:29:56 < rewolff2> and the "flash-is-empty" test is simplified to  one 32-bit-location being empty (0xffff...)
2015-09-09T20:30:30 < rewolff2> Since 3 minutes, I have I2C working on my F042 board. :-)
2015-09-09T20:30:31 < dongs> probly just checks 1st byte of vector table rite
2015-09-09T20:30:45 < rewolff2> That would be "too accurate".
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2015-09-09T20:31:04 < rewolff2> IIRC there was a way that this could mis-fire.
2015-09-09T20:31:26 < rewolff2> But "close". so you have to set up the situation where it would go wrong.
2015-09-09T20:31:49 < rewolff2> maybe the "first location of vector table" is indeed right. You'd almost never want stack to start at 0xffffffff
2015-09-09T20:35:02 < Bundestrojaner1> dongs: those example seem a bit complex for understanding how to use i2c
2015-09-09T20:36:01 < zyp> rewolff2, it's completely impossible for stack on stm32 to be at 0xffffffff, the top memory region is reserved so there will never be memory mapped there
2015-09-09T20:36:29 < zyp> that said, the stack vector is not strictly required, so you might want to check the reset vector instead
2015-09-09T20:37:01 < rewolff2> Right. But SUPPOSE you want to start your code without stack, ... without calling anything you memcheck your RAM and THEN initialize your stack pointer?
2015-09-09T20:37:24 < rewolff2> THEN of course you SHOULD NOT leave your vectortable[0] at 0xffffffff ... You know that now...
2015-09-09T20:37:39 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp#n267 <- here's what I do in my bootloader
2015-09-09T20:38:35 < dongs> hacker
2015-09-09T20:39:18 < rewolff2> yeah. So ST does something similar in hardware. in some bootloaders.
2015-09-09T20:39:33 < zyp> NXP stuff is even more elaborate and uses one of the spare unused vectors for a checksum
2015-09-09T20:41:44 < rewolff2> (IMHO, ALWAYS jumping to bootloader would've been a good idea. Then bootloader polls two pins (boot0, boot1), stuffs it into a register (SYSCFG or something), and then jumps somewhere (pc := mem[4]) . Then... after boot you can use boot0 and boot1 again. Not for everything, but e.g. pulldown-and-led is possible.)
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2015-09-09T20:42:52 < rewolff2> The drawback is a few cycles longer boot time until first user-instruction is run. Which /I/ consider not so much of a problem.
2015-09-09T20:43:21 < rewolff2> (it matters if you deep-sleep the CPU and still need fast response).
2015-09-09T20:43:58 < zyp> what exactly are you arguing?
2015-09-09T20:44:26 < rewolff2> stm32 could've been better. :-)
2015-09-09T20:44:44 < dongs> Then... after boot you can use boot0 and boot1 again. Not for everything, but e.g. pulldown-and-led is possible.)
2015-09-09T20:44:47 < dongs> errr
2015-09-09T20:44:48 < dongs> you can already do this
2015-09-09T20:44:49 < zyp> boot1 is a normal gpio on the parts where it exists, so it can already be used normally after boot anyway
2015-09-09T20:44:55 < dongs> and I do this on a few of my boards
2015-09-09T20:44:57 < rewolff2> yes. But boot0 is not.
2015-09-09T20:44:59 < dongs> wat are you talkin about
2015-09-09T20:45:13 < zyp> rewolff2, no, but that has no relation to whether the bootloader always runs or not
2015-09-09T20:45:17 < dongs> one of bootpins is even gone on some newer Fx series
2015-09-09T20:45:24 < dongs> stuck into option bytes
2015-09-09T20:45:26 < dongs> boot1 maybe?
2015-09-09T20:45:30 < zyp> yeah
2015-09-09T20:46:02 < zyp> I always just tie boot0 low, and then boot1 doesn't matter either way
2015-09-09T20:46:28 < zyp> if I need a bootloader, I might as well write my own
2015-09-09T20:46:39 < rewolff2> If you don't do it in hardware, and just always run the rom-code, boot0 and boot1 functionality comes automatic at the expense of a few clocks at boot, but the advantage of both being GPIO.
2015-09-09T20:47:01 < dongs> shrugging furiously
2015-09-09T20:47:19 < rewolff2> Sure. Go ahead and shrug. :-)
2015-09-09T20:47:31 < zyp> rewolff2, but what would the advantage be?
2015-09-09T20:47:36 < rewolff2> My 14-pin AVR has the same number of usable IO as the 20-pin STM32.
2015-09-09T20:48:06 < zyp> rewolff2, the LPC family does what you're proposing and I hate it
2015-09-09T20:48:13 < rewolff2> So Atmel is "better" at making "everything else is GPIO".
2015-09-09T20:48:25 < rewolff2> OK. explain me why. I want to know.
2015-09-09T20:49:45 < dongs> lols, jewpad pro is 13"
2015-09-09T20:49:52 < dongs> stupid apple
2015-09-09T20:49:59 < zyp> because I don't want vendor code to dick around before passing me control
2015-09-09T20:50:07 < dongs> at a price of a ~decent laptop that would be ablt ot do 100x more
2015-09-09T20:51:25 < decimad> oh, I'm seeing only now there's a bootloader in there... can you reclaim that memory? :)
2015-09-09T20:51:36 < upgrdman_> Bundestrojaner1, here some code i wrote that does i2c on an f0. it's not an example of great code, but it works:
2015-09-09T20:51:38 < upgrdman_> https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_i2c.c
2015-09-09T20:51:44 < upgrdman_> and example calls of it are here:
2015-09-09T20:51:52 < upgrdman_> https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_accel_magn_lsm303dlhc.c
2015-09-09T20:52:03 < dongs> indent -kr motherfucker
2015-09-09T20:52:08 < Bundestrojaner1> upgrdman_: thx!
2015-09-09T20:53:15 < upgrdman_> sure
2015-09-09T20:53:32 < upgrdman_> dongs, ? whats -kr? spaces instead of tabs?
2015-09-09T20:53:42 < dongs> k&r style
2015-09-09T20:53:44 < jubatus> man indent motherfucker
2015-09-09T20:54:21 < dongs> i think im using something like -kr -nut -l400
2015-09-09T20:55:00 < dongs> upgrdman_: 4 char indent, and overall ~nice style with spaces between operators and stuff.
2015-09-09T20:55:03 < zyp> rewolff2, also, you're full of shit
2015-09-09T20:55:04 < upgrdman_> i wish github had a way to render tabs as four spaces
2015-09-09T20:55:13 < rewolff2> Thanks.
2015-09-09T20:55:15 < dongs> upgrdman_: it does, by not using htem
2015-09-09T20:55:39 < dongs> <someapplefag> The future of TV is apps
2015-09-09T20:55:43 < zyp> rewolff2, I just checked, the 20-pin stm32 has 15 gpio pins, good luck having more usable gpios on a 14-pin avr
2015-09-09T20:55:50 < dongs> lol
2015-09-09T20:55:52 < dongs> ownt
2015-09-09T20:56:20 < zyp> the five remaining pins are boot0, nrst, vdda, vdd and vss
2015-09-09T20:56:45 < dongs> you should replace nrst with a gpio pin too
2015-09-09T20:56:46 < rewolff2> Well... in my case I2C and SPI are subtracted. On AVR only once, because there is overlap, and on STM they are separate. In other cases that might be an advantage.
2015-09-09T20:56:51 < dongs> just have a task that checks it periodically
2015-09-09T20:56:55 < dongs> and reboot if it changes
2015-09-09T20:56:56 < dongs> !!!!
2015-09-09T20:57:51 < upgrdman_> OH FUCK YES! ?ts=4 appended to any github url does the trick!
2015-09-09T20:57:57 < dongs> cool
2015-09-09T20:58:03 < dongs> that sounds like vim thing.
2015-09-09T20:58:04 < upgrdman_> much less ugly now:
2015-09-09T20:58:05 < upgrdman_> https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_i2c.c?ts=4
2015-09-09T20:58:21 < decimad> yay, touchpad RC :D
2015-09-09T20:58:39 < decimad> I want everything in my life to be apple
2015-09-09T20:59:50 < zyp> rewolff2, uh, what?
2015-09-09T21:00:42 < rewolff2> Project: SPI / I2C slave (one at a time, not both). Then: AVR has 7 usable IO left. and STM320xxF has also about 7 left.
2015-09-09T21:01:13 < decimad> you can control the volume with the RC!
2015-09-09T21:04:02 < decimad> Icons with shadows! O.O
2015-09-09T21:04:14 < Steffann> wtf are you talking about?
2015-09-09T21:04:17 < rewolff2> P.S.: I don't like "blocking" my debug-port by using the debug pins. So STM has extra: VSSA, BOOT0, SWCLK, SWDAT, and two for I2C that were shared with SPI on AVR. (both have VDD, VSS, nRST)
2015-09-09T21:04:21 < Steffann> oh apple talk crap decimad?
2015-09-09T21:04:26 < decimad> I'm talking about the apple bullshit
2015-09-09T21:04:33 < Steffann> stop watching
2015-09-09T21:04:35 < Steffann> please.
2015-09-09T21:04:43 < decimad> But it's hilarious
2015-09-09T21:04:49 < Steffann> but no jobs
2015-09-09T21:04:50 < decimad> please please mom!
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2015-09-09T21:06:42 < zyp> rewolff2, so sharing the swd pins is not ok, but sharing the isp pins for avr is? :)
2015-09-09T21:07:09 < rewolff2> Yeah. I'm weird, but you already knew that. :-)
2015-09-09T21:07:27 < decimad> wtf, i need to opt out helping amazon answering user questions?
2015-09-09T21:07:58 < Steffann> You're dutch, that's your issue rewolff2
2015-09-09T21:07:59 < rewolff2> Got similar "request" from TI today.
2015-09-09T21:08:22 < zyp> rewolff2, well, you're making a pretty unfair comparison, both on this point, and on the i2c/spi sharing point, and the avr still doesn't have more free gpio
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2015-09-09T21:09:33 < rewolff2> I expected STM32 to have more than the seven free IO of AVR, but, with my "restrictions", it still had only seven, just like the AVR.
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2015-09-09T21:10:33 < zyp> well, sure, your silly restrictions is wasting four pins
2015-09-09T21:11:20 < rewolff2> On AVR, ISP works when you pull on "reset". ON STM if you reprogram SWD, you need to assert RESET to get the chip to listen again. And the STLINK modules from china don't have the RESET pin wired on the F103 where the STLINK on the Discovery boards have it. So you can't get your chip to reprogram if you have a bug in there somewhere.....
2015-09-09T21:11:59 < zyp> so don't buy shitty stlink modules from china.
2015-09-09T21:12:59 < rewolff2> Sounds like a plan.
2015-09-09T21:13:45 < emeb> zyp: interesting development - updated my BMP firmware to work with F7, but now F3 is broken.
2015-09-09T21:13:55 < zyp> haha
2015-09-09T21:14:13 < emeb> good thing I've got two of them
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2015-09-09T21:30:26 < PaulFertser> rewolff2: stlink clones that I know of have that pin wired but to a wrong stlink pin, there exists a fixed stlink firmware version that covers that.
2015-09-09T21:35:23 < bvernoux> emeb, ha nice F7 support
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2015-09-09T21:36:42 < emeb> bvernoux: should do a git pull on the BMP and see if that's fixed yet. Seems like the sort of thing that shouldn't happen.
2015-09-09T21:38:16 < emeb> nope - no updates since last week when I pulled for the F7
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2015-09-09T21:40:38 < zyp> emeb, how is it broken btw?
2015-09-09T21:40:53 < zyp> I flashed F3 with mine earlier today, and I'm running a fairly new firmware
2015-09-09T21:42:20 < bvernoux> emeb, I imagine JTAG speed can be really faster
2015-09-09T21:42:22 < zyp> oh
2015-09-09T21:43:01 < zyp> no, disregard, I'm running a pretty old firmware
2015-09-09T21:43:04 < decimad> There's a german song called "Flash mich" ie. "flash me"
2015-09-09T21:43:33 < decimad> should be the background song on any decent tutorial
2015-09-09T21:43:40 < emeb> zyp: it throws an error during flash process. don't have the exact text here but can duplicate if you're curious.
2015-09-09T21:43:57 < zyp> heh, I've forgot to update the remote for my blackmagic repo
2015-09-09T21:44:12 < zyp> and the latest commit to the old location were in march
2015-09-09T21:44:24 < zyp> so that's what I built and flashed last week or so
2015-09-09T21:45:03 < zyp> maybe that explains why lpc11 flashing didn't work
2015-09-09T21:48:23 < emeb> zyp: here's two passes - first with bad firmware, second with older working firmware -> http://pastebin.com/enEnJfRK
2015-09-09T21:54:41 < zyp> weird
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2015-09-09T21:55:38 < emeb> interesting that older firmware reports flash blocksize and newer doesn't
2015-09-09T21:56:05 < zyp> bunch of code around that changed recently
2015-09-09T21:56:18 < zyp> xml is now generated rather than hardcoded
2015-09-09T21:56:31 < emeb> there's the problem. :)
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2015-09-09T21:59:23 < zyp> hmm, I can't spot anything obviously wrong?
2015-09-09T21:59:31 < zyp> can you do a manual session?
2015-09-09T21:59:40 < zyp> set debug remote 1
2015-09-09T21:59:43 < emeb> probably.
2015-09-09T21:59:43 < zyp> mon swdp_scan
2015-09-09T21:59:44 < zyp> attach 1
2015-09-09T22:00:54 < emeb> OK
2015-09-09T22:01:18 < zyp> hmm, actually
2015-09-09T22:01:32 < zyp> «ARM Cortex-M»
2015-09-09T22:01:40 < zyp> it's supposed to state the family name there
2015-09-09T22:01:59 < emeb> bug in my setup?
2015-09-09T22:02:12 < zyp> no wonder it doesn't get the right memory map if it doesn't even determine the family
2015-09-09T22:02:16 < zyp> no, it's autodetected
2015-09-09T22:02:38 < zyp> though, in that case I don't get how the older version works
2015-09-09T22:02:45 < emeb> right - that's the same
2015-09-09T22:04:20 < zyp> oh, that's probably due to the other bug that got fixed in july
2015-09-09T22:10:29 < emeb> when I try to do a 'load' it sends the first packet and fails
2015-09-09T22:11:48 < zyp> hmm
2015-09-09T22:12:25 < emeb> (gdb) load
2015-09-09T22:12:25 < emeb> Loading section .isr_vector, size 0x188 lma 0x8000000
2015-09-09T22:12:25 < emeb> Sending packet: $X8000000,0:#46...Ack
2015-09-09T22:12:25 < emeb> Packet received: OK
2015-09-09T22:12:25 < emeb> binary downloading supported by target
2015-09-09T22:12:25 < emeb> Sending packet: $X8000000,188:\ .....
2015-09-09T22:12:33 < emeb> Ack
2015-09-09T22:12:33 < emeb> Packet received: E01
2015-09-09T22:12:33 < emeb> Load failed
2015-09-09T22:12:53 < zyp> well, it makes sense if it doesn't detect the right chip
2015-09-09T22:13:05 < zyp> then it doesn't know which flash driver to use, so you can't flash
2015-09-09T22:13:20 < zyp> but you can still debug, since that's common to all cortex-m
2015-09-09T22:13:46 < zyp> can you do «x/wx 0xe0042000»?
2015-09-09T22:13:51 < zyp> what do you read?
2015-09-09T22:15:10 < emeb> (gdb) x/wx 0xe0042000
2015-09-09T22:15:10 < emeb> Sending packet: $me0042000,4#88...Ack
2015-09-09T22:15:10 < emeb> Packet received: 39640110
2015-09-09T22:15:10 < emeb> 0xe0042000:	0x10016439
2015-09-09T22:15:23 < zyp> ah
2015-09-09T22:15:32 < zyp> that's an unsupported device id
2015-09-09T22:15:35 < zyp> which part is this?
2015-09-09T22:16:09 < emeb> STM32F302C8T6
2015-09-09T22:16:16 < emeb> rather new
2015-09-09T22:16:41 < zyp> yeah, so it were never supported and just happened to work before due to accident, I guess
2015-09-09T22:16:48 < emeb> I see
2015-09-09T22:17:02 < zyp> you can probably just add it in stm32f1.c, around line 137 somewhere
2015-09-09T22:17:09 < emeb> I'll look
2015-09-09T22:22:43 < emeb> added 	case 0x439:  /* STM32F302C8 */
2015-09-09T22:23:05 < emeb> rebuilt, reflashed bmp and now it works
2015-09-09T22:23:10 < emeb> \o/
2015-09-09T22:23:14 < emeb> thx for help
2015-09-09T22:23:36 < Tectu> zyp, master of being helpful
2015-09-09T22:23:40 < emeb> word
2015-09-09T22:23:59 < emeb> should probably push that. how to?
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2015-09-09T22:24:36  * emeb is git n00b
2015-09-09T22:25:34 < zyp> make a fork on github, add your fork as a second remote, make a local commit of it, push the commit to your new forked remote, create a pull request on github
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2015-09-09T22:26:12 < zyp> hmm, you should also make an appropriately named branch for the local commit, rather than putting it on master
2015-09-09T22:26:21 < emeb> effort
2015-09-09T22:26:24 < zyp> not required, but looks better
2015-09-09T22:26:25 < zyp> :p
2015-09-09T22:26:34 < zyp> hehe, yeah
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2015-09-09T22:26:50 < zyp> or you could just make an issue stating that the ID need to be added, and let somebody else do it
2015-09-09T22:26:57 < emeb> yep
2015-09-09T22:27:12 < zyp> it's so little work that it's not really worth making a pull request for
2015-09-09T22:27:46 < emeb> ya
2015-09-09T22:28:51 < emeb> done
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2015-09-09T22:31:22 < emeb> debugging is so much easier when you have someone around who knows what the fuck they're doing.
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2015-09-09T22:32:11 < Fleck> keep in mind that, one day you may become that "someone"...
2015-09-09T22:33:01 < zyp> Fleck, I prefer being asked for help over having to ask for help
2015-09-09T22:33:29 < Fleck> zyp: and that's normal!
2015-09-09T22:33:37 < emeb> Fleck: Oh, I am that someone for many situations, just not this one.
2015-09-09T22:35:47 < emeb> If someone asks you for help you can always say "No - $REASONS".
2015-09-09T22:35:58 < emeb> if you need help you can't so easily shrug it off.
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2015-09-09T22:45:17 < mervaka> reet on
2015-09-09T22:46:03 < mervaka> yeah I've been in that situation these last few days, feel guilty asking blatantly busy people :/
2015-09-09T22:46:18 < mervaka> who somehow still find the time to help
2015-09-09T22:46:46 < mervaka> ended up figuring it out myself, a weird SPI peripheral problem
2015-09-09T22:47:22 < mervaka> reference manual states that communication musn't be taking place when you change CPOL/CPHA/BR etc
2015-09-09T22:47:52 < mervaka> turns out i needed to clear SPE first, else i get some strange behaviour
2015-09-09T22:48:38 < mervaka> where once reconfigured, the first byte sent is prefixed with one or two bytes of garbage, and the OVR flag is raised
2015-09-09T22:48:54 < mervaka> presumably because it tried to receive those extra bytes too
2015-09-09T22:49:08 < mervaka> in fact i think it's just one byte
2015-09-09T22:49:16 < mervaka> and i only saw 7 bits :s
2015-09-09T22:50:00 < mervaka> anyway, resolved now.
2015-09-09T22:53:52 < emeb> mervaka: how goes things in high-end mixer land?
2015-09-09T22:54:08 < mervaka> steep
2015-09-09T22:54:13 < mervaka> lots of work on
2015-09-09T22:54:20 < emeb> that's a good thing!
2015-09-09T22:54:25 < mervaka> and running out of SRAM
2015-09-09T22:54:27 < mervaka> a lot
2015-09-09T22:54:37 < bvernoux> merkit it is the same for lot of peripheral configuration you shall NEVER reconfigure them during rx or tx
2015-09-09T22:54:45 < emeb> yell at the hardware designers to give you more SRAM!
2015-09-09T22:54:59 < mervaka> going up from a 4k screen buffer to a new screen that requires 18k
2015-09-09T22:55:08 < emeb> ouch
2015-09-09T22:55:12 < mervaka> double the bpp, larger screen res
2015-09-09T22:55:14 < zyp> mervaka, oh, that sounds like the 12 bit SPI transfers I saw once
2015-09-09T22:55:21 < bvernoux> mervaka, the problem is datasheet does not explain the internal links between some registers with others ;)
2015-09-09T22:55:43 < mervaka> the problem is the datasheet said it was okay, when it's blatantly not.
2015-09-09T22:55:50 < bvernoux> mervaka, like settings an option on reg0 will be applied & effective only when you set reg4 ...
2015-09-09T22:56:11 < mervaka> for a few days i took their word as gospel
2015-09-09T22:56:18 < zyp> bvernoux, blame shitty spi slave designers
2015-09-09T22:56:27 < mervaka> this is a master :/
2015-09-09T22:56:31 < bvernoux> mervaka, datasheet only cover standard usage ;) (and never on fly reconfiguration)
2015-09-09T22:56:32  * emeb has written datasheets. doesn't trust 'em. :)
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2015-09-09T22:56:49 < mervaka> yeah, on-the-fly reconfig is a pain :/
2015-09-09T22:57:01 < zyp> mervaka, of course, but the slave is the reason I needed to reconfig
2015-09-09T22:57:05 < mervaka> but surely any shared SPI bus may have to do that
2015-09-09T22:57:12 < bvernoux> it always fail for 90% of driver if you want to do on-the-fly reconfig ;)
2015-09-09T22:57:36 < mervaka> i don't mind having to turn it off to reconfig
2015-09-09T22:57:38 < zyp> because this shitty slave I was interfacing with had different CPHA for read and write
2015-09-09T22:57:45 < mervaka> i just wish the fucking documentation was correct D:
2015-09-09T22:57:54 < mervaka> wtf zyp
2015-09-09T22:57:59 < mervaka> oh
2015-09-09T22:58:13 < zyp> so I had to change CPHA in the middle of transfer, when transitioning from writing the command to reading the response
2015-09-09T22:58:21 < bvernoux> mervaka, yes documentation are not always tested and it's very rare they speak about use case ;)
2015-09-09T22:58:23 < mervaka> what the actual fuck
2015-09-09T22:58:38 < mervaka> zyp: not pol?
2015-09-09T22:58:47 < bvernoux> zyp, and it fail I imagine ?
2015-09-09T22:58:48 < mervaka> i could almost understand that
2015-09-09T22:59:13 < bvernoux> zyp, solution is to do it by "hand" with bit banging sometimes ;)
2015-09-09T22:59:17 < mervaka> in my use case, screen and flash memory share an SPI
2015-09-09T22:59:35 < zyp> no, CPOL wouldn't make sense, that would risk introducing extra clocks or something
2015-09-09T22:59:50 < zyp> the CPHA rationale is simple enough
2015-09-09T22:59:57 < mervaka> bvernoux: or if you're using NXP parts, use SGPIO?
2015-09-09T22:59:57 < bvernoux> zyp, for STM32 I2C is so bad I do all with bit banging like that all work fine (even if we loose DMA and other cool stuff ... which are buggy anyway )
2015-09-09T23:00:01 < zyp> MISO is clocked on first edge, MOSI is clocked on second edge
2015-09-09T23:00:05 < zyp> or other way around
2015-09-09T23:00:28 < mervaka> oh is that to account for some sort of propagation delay?
2015-09-09T23:00:31 < bvernoux> mervaka, yes SGPIO is powerfull but so complex for nothing ;)
2015-09-09T23:00:36 < zyp> mervaka, idk, maybe
2015-09-09T23:00:38 < zyp> still dumb
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2015-09-09T23:00:52 < mervaka> bvernoux: it's very powerful! we use it to program multiple DSP processors in parallel
2015-09-09T23:01:03 < mervaka> and do all their comms in parallel transfers
2015-09-09T23:01:21 < mervaka> *very* powerful tool
2015-09-09T23:01:42 < zyp> sgpio in combination with sct seems nice
2015-09-09T23:01:50 < mervaka> indeed
2015-09-09T23:01:59 < mervaka> i haven't touched SCT myself
2015-09-09T23:02:03 < mervaka> or SGPIO for that
2015-09-09T23:02:05 < mervaka> haha
2015-09-09T23:02:13 < mervaka> always in ST world, me
2015-09-09T23:02:22 < zyp> same
2015-09-09T23:02:26 < mervaka> at least, when i'm dealing with lowest levels
2015-09-09T23:02:47 < mervaka> my time in NXP world is limited to far abstracted code and bit banging SPI
2015-09-09T23:02:53 < zyp> every time I try doing something with an LPC chip, I just get annoyed and give up
2015-09-09T23:03:00 < mervaka> heh
2015-09-09T23:03:15 < mervaka> it's not that bad, the documentation is just even more terrible than ST's
2015-09-09T23:03:21 < mervaka> well
2015-09-09T23:03:21 < bvernoux> mervaka, main problem with SGPIO it will be so nice to have up to 24 bits in // ;)
2015-09-09T23:03:29 < mervaka> bvernoux: it would
2015-09-09T23:03:44 < bvernoux> to drive big ADC/DAC
2015-09-09T23:03:53 < mervaka> that said, i think a colleague found fundamental problems with NSP's USB stack
2015-09-09T23:04:04 < mervaka> NXP*
2015-09-09T23:04:04 < bvernoux> as today it's very limited mainly 8bits (or 10bits with hack)
2015-09-09T23:04:20 < bvernoux> mervaka, ha which problem ?
2015-09-09T23:04:33 < mervaka> can't remember the exact details
2015-09-09T23:04:37 < bvernoux> mervaka, we use it in airspy since lot of time with no problem at all
2015-09-09T23:04:41 < mervaka> but we were using the 4300 family
2015-09-09T23:04:52 < mervaka> 4357
2015-09-09T23:04:54 < bvernoux> mervaka, with hard realtime streaming at 40MB/s
2015-09-09T23:05:00 < mervaka> mmm
2015-09-09T23:05:08 < mervaka> oh wait, i think i remember
2015-09-09T23:05:08 < bvernoux> it's the only one MCU to do that
2015-09-09T23:05:15 < mervaka> it's to do with how it works as a host
2015-09-09T23:05:16 < bvernoux> USB0 of course
2015-09-09T23:05:28 < bvernoux> ha ok I have never tested host mode
2015-09-09T23:05:38 < mervaka> i think if you try to host a USB mass storage device
2015-09-09T23:05:45 < mervaka> and the device NAKs
2015-09-09T23:05:53 < mervaka> it will immediately retry
2015-09-09T23:05:56 < mervaka> again and again
2015-09-09T23:05:58 < mervaka> and flood the key
2015-09-09T23:06:07 < mervaka> i believe that's the flaw
2015-09-09T23:06:13 < mervaka> no delay before retransmit
2015-09-09T23:06:24 < mervaka> and the key's NAK counter just goes to shit
2015-09-09T23:06:35 < zyp> key?
2015-09-09T23:06:41 < mervaka> usb mass storage device
2015-09-09T23:06:42 < mervaka> sorry
2015-09-09T23:06:47 < mervaka> my terminology swapped
2015-09-09T23:07:01 < zyp> what NAK counter?
2015-09-09T23:07:26 < mervaka> inside the usb storage device
2015-09-09T23:07:38 < zyp> uh, why would there be a NAK counter there?
2015-09-09T23:07:39 < mervaka> i think that may have been an assumption, i'm not sure
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2015-09-09T23:08:02 < zyp> also, it's supposed to retry fairly immediately, why would you want it not to?
2015-09-09T23:08:06 < mervaka> but in manually delaying the retries, he fixed the problem
2015-09-09T23:08:07 < bvernoux> UMS is probably buggy ;)
2015-09-09T23:08:10 < zyp> uh, pretty sure there's no NAK counter
2015-09-09T23:08:24 < bvernoux> anyway UMS have lot of hint to work with different slave ...
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2015-09-10T01:23:20 < hjf_> i have a problem with STM32F405. When supplying 3.3V it won't boot, but with 3.2V it works fine
2015-09-10T01:23:46 < hjf_> i've checked the circuit. all power l ines are connected. all decoupling caps are present
2015-09-10T01:24:28 < hjf_> the problem is erratic because of the 1117-3.3V regulator. SOMETIMES it works cause the reg gives "a little less" than 3.3V, but sometimes it gives 3.3V and the STM32 refuses to boot
2015-09-10T01:24:39 < hjf_> though, once booted, it works at 3.4V fine
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2015-09-10T02:41:53 < dongs> hjf_: whats your vcap looks like
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2015-09-10T03:26:59 < dongs> super proing
2015-09-10T03:29:53 < emeb> s-proing
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2015-09-10T03:31:51 < dongs> hm dixus6 dropped to $350 on amazon
2015-09-10T03:32:32 < dongs> -ish yeah
2015-09-10T03:32:42 < dongs> its still 499 on google play
2015-09-10T03:32:44 < dongs> yeah its too big
2015-09-10T03:32:47 < dongs> maybe ill get for wifecop tho
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2015-09-10T03:36:00 < dongs> the apple pencil unvelied
2015-09-10T03:36:04 < dongs> more like
2015-09-10T03:36:10 < dongs> surface3pro pen is still superior
2015-09-10T03:36:16 < gxti> probably
2015-09-10T03:36:35 < dongs> not probably, no doubt
2015-09-10T03:37:05 < dongs> sadly, tehy dont have a lot of choice for the tech
2015-09-10T03:37:10 < dongs> its either wacoms thing or ntrig
2015-09-10T03:37:15 < dongs> if its ntrig it would be same shit as SP3 pen
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2015-09-10T03:38:47 < dongs> lol
2015-09-10T03:38:48 < dongs> ikr
2015-09-10T03:39:13 < dongs> even sp3 pen is $50
2015-09-10T03:39:18 < dongs> and it has bluetooth and pressure sensitivty
2015-09-10T03:39:50 < dongs> if youre an artfag
2015-09-10T03:40:22 < dongs> it does
2015-09-10T03:40:29 < dongs> 09:39 < dongs> even sp3 pen is $50
2015-09-10T03:40:29 < dongs> 09:39 < dongs> and it has bluetooth and pressure sensitivty
2015-09-10T03:40:34 < dongs> i duno if apple trash has pressure
2015-09-10T03:40:38 < dongs> bluetooth is for pressure
2015-09-10T03:40:44 < dongs> ntrig gets it contactless x,y
2015-09-10T03:40:49 < dongs> but if you wanna measure pressure then you need to pair it.
2015-09-10T03:41:31 < dongs> duno go google wabout apple one, i havent seen it
2015-09-10T03:42:50 < dongs> the new giant $900 ipad
2015-09-10T03:43:19 < hjf_> dongs: apparently vcap is 2.2uF MLCC
2015-09-10T03:43:31 < dongs> hjf_: right, is that wahts on your board?
2015-09-10T03:43:38 < dongs> and like 2 or 3 of htem or whatever per your package
2015-09-10T03:44:18 < hjf_> dongs: yes 2 of them 1 in each pin
2015-09-10T03:44:37 < dongs> R2COM: and a real OS
2015-09-10T03:44:44 < dongs> i think surface 3 (non-pro) is even cheaper
2015-09-10T03:44:52 < dongs> the new one
2015-09-10T03:44:58 < dongs> R2COM: screens
2015-09-10T03:45:03 < dongs> i have like zero use for tablet  type shit
2015-09-10T03:45:11 < dongs> PDF navigation on assdroid is absolute shite
2015-09-10T03:46:02 < dongs> if you are to believe apple, you absolutely cannot live without the new overpriced shitpad
2015-09-10T03:46:27 < dongs> 2732-by-2048 resolution at 264 pixels per inch (ppi)
2015-09-10T03:46:28 < dongs> errr wat
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2015-09-10T04:09:29 < dongs> so i wonder what google is gonna call the new nexus6
2015-09-10T04:09:32 < dongs> since nexus7 is already done
2015-09-10T04:09:36 < dongs> maybe they'll do a nexdus6.1
2015-09-10T04:09:43 < dongs> or nexus 6s just to piss off apple
2015-09-10T04:09:54 < ds2> slimemold?
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2015-09-10T04:14:58 < dongs> no thats googles like last years tablet trash
2015-09-10T04:15:10 < dongs> ugh nexus6 is like 180grams
2015-09-10T04:15:14 < dongs> wifecop isnt gonna use that shit
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2015-09-10T04:20:46 < dongs> cases are oK
2015-09-10T04:20:54 < dongs> i like dropping my shit on concrete
2015-09-10T04:20:56 < dongs> so case sorta helps
2015-09-10T04:22:37 < dongs> psh, spigen and shit make stuff thats like barely 1mm around it
2015-09-10T04:22:40 < dongs> just protective  stuff
2015-09-10T04:22:56 < dongs> like my current S6 is slippery as fuck without case
2015-09-10T04:23:11 < dongs> so sticking some rubber bumper case over it at least helps that
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2015-09-10T06:42:45 < englishman> dongs did you know you can fold the sp3 arm thing all the way back
2015-09-10T06:42:53 < dongs> wat
2015-09-10T06:43:00 < dongs> by breaking it?
2015-09-10T06:43:13 < englishman> theres a detent you just have to push past it
2015-09-10T06:43:24 < dongs> ur just tryin to make be break it :(
2015-09-10T06:43:43 < englishman> to what degree do you fold it now
2015-09-10T06:43:52 < dongs> er
2015-09-10T06:43:55 < dongs> like 45ish
2015-09-10T06:44:04 < englishman> just til you hit resistance?
2015-09-10T06:44:16 < dongs> yes
2015-09-10T06:44:19 < englishman> ya keep going
2015-09-10T06:44:24 < englishman> theres a stop thats further on
2015-09-10T06:44:30 < englishman> this is a trust exercise
2015-09-10T06:45:23 < dongs> it sounds like the ultimate hoax until you try it. Instructions are simple: just push hard on the kickstand until it snaps and sounds like it's broken. The end result makes the kickstand loose and adjustable, and you can snap it back into the regular positions without breaking it.
2015-09-10T06:45:28 < dongs> hjahahaha
2015-09-10T06:45:46 < englishman> heh
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2015-09-10T06:45:54 < englishman> well not like flat
2015-09-10T06:45:59 < englishman> but 45deg the other way
2015-09-10T06:46:21 < dongs> ya
2015-09-10T06:46:27 < dongs> it seems to work
2015-09-10T06:46:29 < dongs> but useless.
2015-09-10T06:46:41 < englishman> well its for when like youre on the couch with knees elevated
2015-09-10T06:46:56 < englishman> makes it slightly more useful
2015-09-10T06:51:40 < dongs> zano shipped liek 8 of them
2015-09-10T06:51:40 < dongs> under NDA
2015-09-10T06:51:44 < dongs> to 'beta testersr'
2015-09-10T06:52:13 < englishman> i thought they were supposed to ship 1000/week 3 months ago
2015-09-10T06:52:59 < dongs> that was before they found out it doesnt work
2015-09-10T06:53:24 < dongs> There are no applications on file that match the search criteria specified:
2015-09-10T06:53:25 < dongs> Grantee Code: 2AE23
2015-09-10T06:53:28 < dongs> still lying about fccid.
2015-09-10T07:00:26 < ReadError> https://hackaday.io/project/3511-pavapro-portable-avr-programmer
2015-09-10T07:00:33 < ReadError> dongs irl?
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2015-09-10T07:05:07 < dongs> i dont look like a fucking faggot
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2015-09-10T07:11:43 < talsit> hehe... "look" ...
2015-09-10T07:11:48 < englishman> dongz http://i.imgur.com/FTBUEXF.png
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2015-09-10T07:21:25 < dongs> englishman: seen
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2015-09-10T07:22:08 < dongs> upgrdman: http://i.imgur.com/2qEsLfB.gif L O L
2015-09-10T07:22:30 < emeb_mac> how about this: http://hijinksensue.com/comic/surface-tension/
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2015-09-10T07:23:39 < upgrdman> damn
2015-09-10T07:23:49 < dongs> emeb_mac: loooooool that is great
2015-09-10T07:23:54 < upgrdman> i suppose a little duct tape won't fix him
2015-09-10T07:23:56 < emeb_mac> 3 yrs ago
2015-09-10T07:24:12 < dongs> that is hilarious.
2015-09-10T07:24:32 < emeb_mac> they're pretty predictable
2015-09-10T07:26:16 < englishman> heh
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2015-09-10T07:28:24 < dongs> there wasnt much of anything inside
2015-09-10T07:31:31 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cPLPWlgvSg btw sauce of above .gif
2015-09-10T07:34:32 < dongs> i wish
2015-09-10T07:34:37 < dongs> dicknplacin without a pause
2015-09-10T07:34:48 < dongs> i got a F4 camera thing to schematic + layout
2015-09-10T07:34:50 < dongs> no time :(
2015-09-10T07:35:32 < ReadError> making the zanoPLUS addon for dankers new FC?
2015-09-10T07:35:45 < dongs> ya exactly, zanoPLUS
2015-09-10T07:36:07 < reportingsjr> Hi, I'm trying to program an STM32F100 by using an stm32f100 discovery VL board as a programmer and I am not sure exactly what needs to be done.
2015-09-10T07:36:09 < dongs> Usually ships within 9 to 11 days.
2015-09-10T07:36:42 < dongs> reportingsjr: disconnect STLink on -discovery from the chip on it (there's jumpers). connect SWDCLK, SWDIO to your new board. connect common gnd between them. program.
2015-09-10T07:37:01 < reportingsjr> dongs: ok, I have that, I don't need to connect the reset pin?
2015-09-10T07:37:10 < dongs> not really
2015-09-10T07:37:12 < dongs> you can still reset via swd
2015-09-10T07:37:17 < ds2> and make sure it is the same voltage level
2015-09-10T07:37:19 < dongs> if stuff is badly broken you can hold reset on your board while connecting
2015-09-10T07:37:23 < ds2> IIRC, discovery units cannot sense voltage
2015-09-10T07:37:29 < reportingsjr> ds2: I noticed that
2015-09-10T07:37:33 < dongs> well, i presume he's at 3.3V or wahtever anyway
2015-09-10T07:37:47 < reportingsjr> so the issue I'm having is that I'm using texane st-link and gdb to program this
2015-09-10T07:37:58 < dongs> isnt that old as fuck
2015-09-10T07:38:14 < reportingsjr> dongs: seems to be regularly updated
2015-09-10T07:38:30 < reportingsjr> I was very succesful using it with the plain discovery board and not changing anything there
2015-09-10T07:39:16 < reportingsjr> the st-link detects the correct stm32 IC on my board, but it says it has an error unlocking the flash
2015-09-10T07:39:40 < reportingsjr> is this an issue with my circuit, or with texane st-link do you think?
2015-09-10T07:39:50 < dongs> is it also F0?
2015-09-10T07:39:56 < reportingsjr> F1
2015-09-10T07:40:05 < reportingsjr> the discovery board is F1 as well
2015-09-10T07:40:13 < reportingsjr> my board is STM32F100RC
2015-09-10T07:40:21 < ds2> IIRC, I saw something like that... tracked it down to some power issue
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2015-09-10T07:42:47 < reportingsjr> so I had my board's 3.3V connected to the st-link on the discovery board. Removed it just to test and now I am getting errors that the Chip ID is unknown
2015-09-10T07:43:02 < reportingsjr> looks like the discovery board is only 2.9V while my board is 3.3v
2015-09-10T07:43:54 < dongs> packed with SO MUCH AMAZING NEW TECHNOLOGY
2015-09-10T07:44:21 < dongs> reportingsjr: sounds about right
2015-09-10T07:47:07 < dongs> THE BIGGEST NEWS IN IPAD SINCE IPAD
2015-09-10T07:47:08 < dongs> haha
2015-09-10T07:47:12 < dongs> fucking apple fags
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2015-09-10T07:48:05 < reportingsjr> ever have issues with noise on SWDIO and SWDCLK?
2015-09-10T07:48:14 < dongs> nope, ive ran them over coat hangers
2015-09-10T07:48:18 < dongs> stlink is so slow it doesnt matter
2015-09-10T07:48:21 < reportingsjr> it seems like sometimes I can get it to identify the IC, but other times it wont
2015-09-10T07:48:24 < reportingsjr> hmmm, ok
2015-09-10T07:48:44 < englishman> ive had noise issues :(
2015-09-10T07:48:44 < reportingsjr> It can load stuff in SRAM, but not FLASH
2015-09-10T07:49:15 < dongs> sounds like your power is failing
2015-09-10T07:50:53 < reportingsjr> hmmm, I don't have a scope to check out the power unfortunately
2015-09-10T07:51:13 < reportingsjr> strange because I've loaded the 3.3v PSU at 500mA and it seemed pretty solid
2015-09-10T07:52:17 < jpa-> i have had some issues where openocd used to drop connection, but i never found out if it was openocd bug or too long wires
2015-09-10T07:52:42 < jpa-> reportingsjr: maybe your cables / connectors are crappy?
2015-09-10T07:54:30 < ds2> it is pretty nice to be able to use op-amps w/o having to deal with bypassing and other non idealness of real op-amps
2015-09-10T07:54:42 < upgrdman> hate to be an apple fag, but the ipad pro is kinda tempting.
2015-09-10T07:55:11 < emeb_mac> ds2: what "non-real" op-amps are you talking about?
2015-09-10T07:55:28 < ds2> emeb_mac: messing with the PSoC5 stuff
2015-09-10T07:55:38 < upgrdman> i just wonder what the surface pro 4 will pack, and when it'll be out
2015-09-10T07:55:41 < emeb_mac> ds2: ah - how you like that?
2015-09-10T07:55:50 < ds2> wanted something quick and dirty to test some analog sensors
2015-09-10T07:56:07 < ds2> emeb_mac: for slower stuff, it is a nice virtual bread board
2015-09-10T07:56:09 < emeb_mac> ds2: I'd guess PSoC would be good for slow analog sensors
2015-09-10T07:56:41 < ds2> not sure about good... it ain't cheap
2015-09-10T07:56:49 < emeb_mac> I think they wouldn't be much good for bandwidth > 10kHz or so.
2015-09-10T07:57:24 < emeb_mac> I've done some audio with it, but it wasn't really cut out for that.
2015-09-10T07:57:25 < ds2> i just wanted something that can let me play with the sensors without spending hours breadboarding and figuring out what the op-amp is oscillating in the mess known as a plug in bread board
2015-09-10T07:57:33 < emeb_mac> yup
2015-09-10T07:57:47 < ds2> emeb_mac: it supposely can run the ADC up to 1Msps
2015-09-10T07:58:48 < ds2> might play with the UDB stuff in verilog as a verilog learning platform
2015-09-10T07:59:35 < ds2> oh and the route to any pin feature is really nice
2015-09-10T08:00:10 < reportingsjr> jpa-: yeah, the cables are very mediocre
2015-09-10T08:00:44 < reportingsjr> jpa-: I'm surprised it can ID the chip and write to to sram, but not be able to write flash
2015-09-10T08:01:16 < jpa-> so it always IDs and accesses SRAM correctly?
2015-09-10T08:01:38 < jpa-> if it is intermittent, it would just mean that flash operations are long enough for it to fail there
2015-09-10T08:01:48 < jpa-> but the flash write routines can crash for other reasons also
2015-09-10T08:01:58 < ds2> too much voltage drop?
2015-09-10T08:02:26 < jpa-> reportingsjr: does resetting the cpu through the debugger work? have you tried doing "monitor reset halt" or similar before programming?
2015-09-10T08:02:29 < reportingsjr> ds2: the board and programmer power are separate
2015-09-10T08:02:47 < reportingsjr> jpa-: not sure how to do that with GDB/st-link
2015-09-10T08:02:54 < jpa-> use openocd
2015-09-10T08:03:06 < ds2> reportingsjr: and you sure the voltages are the same or within a schottky drop of each other?
2015-09-10T08:03:12 < jpa-> failure is the normal operating mode of texane stlink
2015-09-10T08:03:39 < reportingsjr> hah, ok. OpenOCD looked a lot more complicated than texane stlink which is why I avoided it.
2015-09-10T08:04:06 < jpa-> yeah, that's true
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2015-09-10T08:04:20 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/STM32_Trace_Example/blob/master/Makefile    feel free to copy the "program" and "debug" rules
2015-09-10T08:08:08 < reportingsjr> jpa-: thanks
2015-09-10T08:08:35 < reportingsjr> jpa-: hmm, where do interface/stlink-v1.cfg and target/stm32f1x_stlink.cfg come from?
2015-09-10T08:09:42 < jpa-> they are part of openocd installation, they are in openocd search path so that relative path is enough
2015-09-10T08:09:50 < jpa->  /usr/share/openocd/scripts   or similar
2015-09-10T08:10:24 < ds2> can openocd do swd on the cheap ftdi adapters?
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2015-09-10T08:10:39 < dongs> just buy a god damn jlink edu
2015-09-10T08:10:41 < dongs> fuck man
2015-09-10T08:10:46 < dongs> why would you waste all this fucking TIME
2015-09-10T08:10:49 < dongs> to FUCK WIHT OPENSORES
2015-09-10T08:10:53 < dongs> when you can just get shit that works
2015-09-10T08:10:56 < reportingsjr> oh
2015-09-10T08:11:00 < ds2> jlink does not just work
2015-09-10T08:11:08 < jpa-> ds2: yeah, atleast some FTDI stuff is supported: http://openocd.org/doc/html/Debug-Adapter-Hardware.html
2015-09-10T08:11:09 < dongs> jlink fucking works
2015-09-10T08:11:09 < dongs> 100%
2015-09-10T08:11:11 < reportingsjr> I forgot why I stopped going to ##electronics
2015-09-10T08:11:11 < dongs> no issues
2015-09-10T08:11:13 < ds2> it is about as much trouble as openocd
2015-09-10T08:11:18 < jpa-> ds2: but usually the FTDI crap is really slow
2015-09-10T08:11:39 < ds2> jpa-: in swd mode ? it doesn't seem clear if it is jtag only or swd too
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2015-09-10T08:11:50 < ds2> slow but cheap enough to risk frying
2015-09-10T08:12:03 < ds2> jlink is $$$ to risk frying on some stuff
2015-09-10T08:12:10 < jpa-> stlink on stm32 discovery is $10 and works
2015-09-10T08:12:25 < ds2> for stm32
2015-09-10T08:12:34 < ds2> too many processors out there
2015-09-10T08:12:39 < jpa-> um, works for most processors
2015-09-10T08:12:53 < ds2> oh?
2015-09-10T08:12:53 < jpa-> only the "no 8- and 16-bit writes" limits some
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2015-09-10T08:13:01 < jpa-> SWD is standard across ARM cores
2015-09-10T08:13:04 < ds2> thought it was locked to ST?
2015-09-10T08:13:16 < jpa-> nah, atleast i have debugger LPC1768 with stlink and openocd
2015-09-10T08:13:18 < ds2> the same BS jlink uses
2015-09-10T08:13:19 < jpa-> *debugged
2015-09-10T08:13:28 < ds2> nifty
2015-09-10T08:13:36 < ds2> will have to keep that in mind
2015-09-10T08:14:04 < jpa-> but that page on ftdi+openocd mentions swd in several points, so i assume it might also work
2015-09-10T08:14:07 < jpa-> not so sure about speed
2015-09-10T08:14:48 < reportingsjr> ds2: SWD is an ARM thing
2015-09-10T08:15:22 < ds2> reportingsjr: yes, I am aware of it. but some #@%#@$#%#@$@#@%#@$@#$@# like to vendor lock stuff
2015-09-10T08:15:32 < reportingsjr> ah, yeah, haha
2015-09-10T08:15:36 < ds2> jlink is one of them
2015-09-10T08:16:08 < ds2> it is best to avoid jlink when possible. their licensing terms are rediculous
2015-09-10T08:16:50 < reportingsjr> I stick with whatever works on linux
2015-09-10T08:17:26 < reportingsjr> Which in the embedded world is pretty slim!
2015-09-10T08:17:38 < ds2> many programmers work on Linux
2015-09-10T08:17:59 < jpa-> reportingsjr: for me at work, most stuff works on linux
2015-09-10T08:18:03 < jpa-> not so with windows
2015-09-10T08:18:20 < ds2> it is just annoying when you have use different programmers cuz of non technical reasons
2015-09-10T08:18:27 < ds2> it is the top reason I stopped dealing wit PICs
2015-09-10T08:18:35 < reportingsjr> jpa-: really? I thought that it was pretty limited
2015-09-10T08:19:01 < jpa-> reportingsjr: well, i'm probably biased because i work so much with ARMs mostly
2015-09-10T08:19:45 < jpa-> but i do not select projects based on operating system, just find out that i can use linux on most of them
2015-09-10T08:19:55 < ds2> jpa-:have you found a good Linux enabled one for the PSoCs?
2015-09-10T08:20:07 < jpa-> ds2: nope, haven't used those
2015-09-10T08:20:17 < jpa-> current project compiles with crappy IAR compiler so have to use windows for that :F
2015-09-10T08:21:15 < ds2> oh my... condolences
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2015-09-10T08:25:59 < reportingsjr> jpa-: Any recommendations on getting started with OpenOCD?
2015-09-10T08:26:14 < reportingsjr> I'd like to try to understand the basics of it so I'm not blindly copying configs
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2015-09-10T08:37:57 < dongs> < reportingsjr> I forgot why I stopped going to ##electronics
2015-09-10T08:38:07 < dongs> why? because people kept telling you how to do shit correctly and you ignored?
2015-09-10T08:38:51 < reportingsjr> pretty much
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2015-09-10T09:34:28 < tkoskine> I must agree with dongs that so far jlink has been only jtag adapter which has worked reliably with all my Cortex-M chips. (I have played with Olimex ARM-USB-TINY, IAR I-jet Trace, Rowley CrossConnect, Atmel ICE, and cheap ST-Links).
2015-09-10T09:41:42 < reportingsjr> jpa-: yep, tried OCD and it is very flaky as well. I'll try remaking the programming cable tomorrow I suppose
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2015-09-10T10:09:34 < zyp> dongs, I'm planning on doing another arcin run, just need to dig up money to pay for it first
2015-09-10T10:09:40 < dongs> cool
2015-09-10T10:09:43 < dongs> no problem
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2015-09-10T10:39:31 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/sJ6UaUA.png way 2 go, ST
2015-09-10T10:40:18 < dongs> that 8bit data bus is pretty much on every fucking corner of the chip
2015-09-10T10:42:23 < zyp> haha
2015-09-10T10:45:44 < Sync> trolled
2015-09-10T10:51:54 < Laurenceb__> soon you will capture life too
2015-09-10T10:53:20 < Laurenceb__> dongo : capture trolling
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2015-09-10T11:02:54 < dongs> does anything use IRQ pin on SD? no right
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2015-09-10T11:32:39 < Ecco> Using GNU ld, how can I instruct it to use all the remaning part of a memory region?
2015-09-10T11:33:15 < ReadError> i think you just map it in the linker file
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2015-09-10T11:34:00 < Ecco> yeah, ok, I didn't word my question properly
2015-09-10T11:34:12 < Ecco> but I think I found the answer
2015-09-10T11:34:35 < Ecco> in fact it's just a matter of doing . = ORIGIN(region) + LENGTH(region)
2015-09-10T11:34:41 < Ecco> instead of . += something
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2015-09-10T12:16:14 < PeterM> [10:31] <dongs> hm dixus6 dropped to $350 on amazon
2015-09-10T12:16:26 < PeterM> dont buy, has AMOLED, thus screen burn in
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2015-09-10T12:20:06 < Laurenceb> pron permanently on your screen
2015-09-10T12:20:08 < Ecco> Speaking of mobile
2015-09-10T12:20:29 < Ecco> I've been so disapointed by Apple's keynote yesterday
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2015-09-10T12:26:25 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/vkb3iGI.jpg
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2015-09-10T13:05:16 < dongs> PeterM: S6 has amoled too
2015-09-10T13:05:36 < dongs> http://www.toshiba.com/us/accessories/Storage/Hard-Drive-Replacements-and-Upgrades/5TB/PH3500U-1I72 lol @ reviews
2015-09-10T13:05:46 < dongs> retards plugging 5TB drives into 2001-vintage PCs
2015-09-10T13:05:50 < dongs> with windows xp
2015-09-10T13:05:54 < dongs> and getting them recognized as 500gigs
2015-09-10T13:06:01 < PeterM> lol
2015-09-10T13:06:39 < PeterM> somone dropped a 0\
2015-09-10T13:09:32 < zyp> haha
2015-09-10T13:09:38 < elektrinis> so I heard people are still using hdds
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2015-09-10T13:10:17 < zyp> I do, why?
2015-09-10T13:10:43 < dongs> im surprised how lowpower those new 5tb drives were
2015-09-10T13:10:54 < dongs> my entire esxi rack + switch + misc stuff is using ~190W
2015-09-10T13:10:58 < elektrinis> I guess it is good for file storage, something between SSD and tape drive
2015-09-10T13:11:04 < dongs> and that was measured while raid was rebuilding
2015-09-10T13:11:13 < dongs> it goes down to like 170W at idle
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2015-09-10T13:13:15 < dongs> lol :\ chinaguy that I buy my ipad screens from is asking me to help him fraud ebay
2015-09-10T13:13:27 < dongs> 'buy some things from me i'll refund and leave a 5 star rating'
2015-09-10T13:14:16 < dongs> so i was googling to DO-14 diode case
2015-09-10T13:14:17 < dongs> rite
2015-09-10T13:15:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/TqVHV5g.png
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2015-09-10T13:36:42 < dongs> G, you didn't RESPECT AT ALL backers. You change your mind too many times and lost control about the simple fact THAT WITHOUT US, KS BACKERS, YOU WOULD NOT HAD DEVELOP ANY PRODUCT.
2015-09-10T13:40:34 < mtbg> wait until they finally receive the most advanced aerial HD video and photo capture platform
2015-09-10T13:40:57 < dongs> i suspect my F407 clone will take better pix than zano
2015-09-10T13:41:12 < dongs> because i'm actually going to use full sensor with  oversample mode
2015-09-10T13:41:16 < dongs> instead of windowing the fuck out of it
2015-09-10T13:41:58 < Ecco> Oh by the way
2015-09-10T13:42:06 < Ecco> You guys asked for a pic of my UFQFN48 solder
2015-09-10T13:42:11 < dongs> yes
2015-09-10T13:42:12 < dongs> did you link it
2015-09-10T13:42:19 < dongs> < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/vkb3iGI.jpg
2015-09-10T13:42:21 < dongs> this wasn't it
2015-09-10T13:42:24 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/nSsMz52.jpg
2015-09-10T13:42:46 < dongs> not awful
2015-09-10T13:42:53 < Ecco> Indeed :-D
2015-09-10T13:42:56 < Ecco> Not clean by any means either
2015-09-10T13:43:03 < Ecco> It's a little bit off
2015-09-10T13:43:09 < Ecco> but meh, it works
2015-09-10T13:43:33 < Ecco> I wonder if there's a bridge on the left though
2015-09-10T13:43:34 < Ecco> Maybe…
2015-09-10T13:43:44 < dongs> i was half-expecting something like this http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/2/4/0/5/7/a4905920-1-DSCN7690.JPG
2015-09-10T13:43:55 < dongs> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/2/4/0/5/7/a4864610-78-DSCN7657.JPG or like this
2015-09-10T13:44:01 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-10T13:44:15 < Ecco> Well the first one is just a board that has gathered dust
2015-09-10T13:44:22 < dongs> no
2015-09-10T13:44:26 < Ecco> the second one otoh…
2015-09-10T13:44:27 < PeterM> ecco, you need more flux, i cna tell because your caps and shit have little pointy bits on the solder
2015-09-10T13:44:40 < Ecco> PeterM: Ok, good point
2015-09-10T13:44:52 < Ecco> I was confused about how to use flux with SMD caps
2015-09-10T13:45:01 < Ecco> I did put some
2015-09-10T13:45:05 < Ecco> but I think not at the right time
2015-09-10T13:45:20 < Ecco> How am I supposed to solder these parts?
2015-09-10T13:45:23 < dongs> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/2/4/0/5/7/a4193644-190-DSCN6111.jpg
2015-09-10T13:45:32 < PeterM> just put some flux on the join and tap wiht hot iron and watch the join become a perfect fillet
2015-09-10T13:45:35 < ReadError> lol
2015-09-10T13:45:43 < ReadError> yes do the opposite of tom66
2015-09-10T13:45:48 < ReadError> and you should be okay
2015-09-10T13:45:56 < Ecco> No but I mean
2015-09-10T13:46:04 < Ecco> When should I add solder?
2015-09-10T13:46:09 < Ecco> I tried tinning the pads
2015-09-10T13:46:16 < Ecco> and then attaching the caps
2015-09-10T13:46:19 < dongs> thats an oshpark board too
2015-09-10T13:46:19 < ReadError> get your hot air?
2015-09-10T13:46:22 < dongs> the last tom66 pic
2015-09-10T13:46:25 < dongs> ReadError: its on the way
2015-09-10T13:46:28 < dongs> he ordered some.
2015-09-10T13:46:28 < Ecco> ReadError: not yet
2015-09-10T13:46:30 < PeterM> first, are you using paste, wire, hot air or iron?
2015-09-10T13:46:33 < ReadError> I normally paste all the passives
2015-09-10T13:46:39 < Ecco> At this point, iron
2015-09-10T13:46:45 < ReadError> but for qfn/tqfp etc I tin->reflow
2015-09-10T13:46:48 < ReadError> do all them first
2015-09-10T13:46:53 < ReadError> then do all the other easy shit
2015-09-10T13:47:00 < Ecco> That's what I did :)
2015-09-10T13:47:04 < Ecco> I started with the qfn
2015-09-10T13:47:28 < Ecco> But for caps and resistors, If I tin first
2015-09-10T13:47:38 < Ecco> then I cannot place the capacitor right on the board
2015-09-10T13:47:52 < Ecco> there's an air gap between the cap and the PCB
2015-09-10T13:48:00 < Ecco> because I cannot melt both pads at once
2015-09-10T13:48:06 < PeterM> for hand soldering passives, i heavily tin one side of the pad, place part, and hit with iron to tack it down, sodler the other side like normal, put some flux on the first side and then hit with iron to properly reflow first side agian
2015-09-10T13:48:16 < Ecco> oooh
2015-09-10T13:48:17 < dongs> ^ yep this
2015-09-10T13:48:18 < ReadError> yea 3 hits
2015-09-10T13:48:22 < ReadError> not fun but works
2015-09-10T13:48:31 < Ecco> ok, got it
2015-09-10T13:48:33 < dongs> been a loong time since I ihandsoldered tho
2015-09-10T13:48:44 < Ecco> That's very helfup
2015-09-10T13:48:48 < Ecco> so, to summarize
2015-09-10T13:48:57 < Ecco> 1/ Tin one pad, no flux needed at this point
2015-09-10T13:49:05 < ReadError> you can always use flux
2015-09-10T13:49:07 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-10T13:49:13 < ReadError> but your solder prolly has some in it
2015-09-10T13:49:20 < Ecco> Indeed
2015-09-10T13:49:24 < PeterM> but usually for the first pad it doesnt matter because you're going to go back over i9t
2015-09-10T13:49:30 < Ecco> I had one w/o flux, so I bought a newer pack that has some flux inside
2015-09-10T13:49:44 < Ecco> Gotcha
2015-09-10T13:49:57 < Ecco> then 2/ Place component, only attach first pad
2015-09-10T13:50:05 < Ecco> 3/ Tin *other* pad
2015-09-10T13:50:21 < Ecco> 4/ Add some flux on the other pad, ensure the joint is nice
2015-09-10T13:50:30 < Ecco> 5/ Come back to first pad, add flux, re-heat with iron
2015-09-10T13:50:34 < Ecco> is that it?
2015-09-10T13:50:48 < dongs> no need flux really if you got solder w/rosin core stuff
2015-09-10T13:50:51 < dongs> not for passives
2015-09-10T13:50:53 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-10T13:51:18 < Ecco> But my solders are kinda ugly
2015-09-10T13:51:25 < Ecco> I mean, they do indeed have pointy ends
2015-09-10T13:51:34 < Ecco> Even though the solder I used did have rosin core
2015-09-10T13:56:38 < PeterM> also, most important step: clean your fucking board when you're done - you can't see shit if there is flux residue over everyfuckingthing
2015-09-10T13:57:07 < PeterM> you seem to have that undercontrol though
2015-09-10T13:57:14 < Lux> Ecco: looks pretty decent for hand soldering it
2015-09-10T13:58:43 < BrainDamage> shitposting link of the day: https://imgur.com/gallery/B3ZDM2o
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2015-09-10T14:01:19 < Ecco> Lux: thanks :)
2015-09-10T14:01:35 < Ecco> PeterM: Yeah, I drowned the board in ethanol
2015-09-10T14:01:47 < Ecco> (I couldn't find IPA, but apparently that did the job)
2015-09-10T14:02:03 < Ecco> And yes, you're very right, it was a total mess with flux all around the place
2015-09-10T14:02:28 < Laurenceb> russian board?
2015-09-10T14:02:42 < PeterM> IPA is often used instead of ethanol because ethanol can be very expensive (tazes) or have denaturents that leave residue
2015-09-10T14:02:52 < Lux> that stuff is also pretty nice for cleaning pcbs: http://at.farnell.com/kontakt-chemie/kontakt-lr-400-ml/leiterplattenreiniger-400ml/dp/3047453
2015-09-10T14:02:55 < PeterM> *taxes
2015-09-10T14:03:38 < BrainDamage> depends on the denaturant, some places uses bitrex, some uses methanol, etc
2015-09-10T14:04:18 < Ecco> Well, thing is I can purchase ethanol at my local drugstore
2015-09-10T14:04:27 < Ecco> whereas IPA was nowhere to be found
2015-09-10T14:04:31 < Ecco> sure it's not 100% pure
2015-09-10T14:04:40 < PeterM> i did say often, not always
2015-09-10T14:04:44 < Ecco> :-)
2015-09-10T14:05:03 < Ecco> Oh I didn't say you were wrong: IPA most likely *would* be cheaper
2015-09-10T14:05:07 < Ecco> if I could find it…
2015-09-10T14:05:36 < Ecco> Some dude on YouTube recommended a mix of Acetone + IPA
2015-09-10T14:05:56 < Ecco> I didn't dare putting any acetone on my board though, that shit absolutely destroys plastics in general
2015-09-10T14:06:56 < PeterM> eyah, anyone who uses acetone is a nutcase
2015-09-10T14:07:30 < PeterM> i use http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/solder/flux-removers/flux-remover-for-pc-boards-4140/ or IPA depending on what i can get cheapest
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2015-09-10T14:08:47 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-10T14:08:58 < BrainDamage> dyi board using peroxide hydrogen and hydrocloridric acid to deploy a CuCl based etching, then clean the board with acetone
2015-09-10T14:09:05 < BrainDamage> for a sparking experience
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2015-09-10T14:35:24 < scrts_w> dongs: any luck with the camera?
2015-09-10T14:38:04 < __rob2> wow, my £150 reflow oven actually works
2015-09-10T14:38:23 < dongs> scrts_w: sure, im working on schema, hoping to get pcb running next week
2015-09-10T14:43:56 < Lux> dongs: what are you planning to do with it ?
2015-09-10T14:44:07 < dongs> lux, just snapshot some jpegs zano-style
2015-09-10T14:45:31 < Lux> zano killer ? :P
2015-09-10T14:46:17 < Laurenceb> is it going to do video + mjpeg onboard?
2015-09-10T14:46:41 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-10T14:46:44 < dongs> on a PIC32
2015-09-10T14:47:36 < scrts_w> pic32?
2015-09-10T14:47:37 < scrts_w> FFS...
2015-09-10T14:47:41 < scrts_w> who use PIC these days?
2015-09-10T14:47:44 < dongs> zano
2015-09-10T14:47:59 < scrts_w> somebody kick him out of this channel
2015-09-10T14:49:02 < scrts_w> btw, pic32 has image sensor input?
2015-09-10T14:49:05 < scrts_w> or you will use gpios?
2015-09-10T14:49:17 < dongs> scrts_w: im trolling about pic, zano uses it, i will be using 407/429
2015-09-10T14:49:31 < Tectu> never troll about pic
2015-09-10T14:49:36 < scrts_w> yeah right, now you're scared of being banned from here :P
2015-09-10T14:49:55 < Tectu> don´t be silly, scrts_w. There is no ##stm32 without dongs
2015-09-10T14:50:05 < scrts_w> well yeah
2015-09-10T14:50:19 < ReadError> > visit paypal
2015-09-10T14:50:22 < ReadError> > "Fatal Failure"
2015-09-10T14:50:36 < Tectu> ReadError, better ask super
2015-09-10T14:51:20 < BrainDamage> stm stands for super trolling medium, not sgs thompson microelectronics
2015-09-10T14:51:47 < scrts_w> yeah
2015-09-10T14:51:55 < scrts_w> dongs should be at least a CTO in ST
2015-09-10T14:52:06 < Tectu> hah
2015-09-10T14:54:15 < __rob2> think pic32 is meant to be pretty good in its class
2015-09-10T14:54:31 < scrts_w> outperform ARM?
2015-09-10T14:54:40 < dongs> kinda like its easy to look smart when surrounded by idiots?
2015-09-10T14:56:47 < __rob2> scrts_w, basing it on azonenberg's opinion in #fpga
2015-09-10T14:56:54 < __rob2> so dont know, I dont use them
2015-09-10T14:56:55 < dongs> lol, astonerberg
2015-09-10T14:56:59 < dongs> that guy talks more shit than zano
2015-09-10T14:57:09 < dongs> he's just some clueless TA at a university
2015-09-10T14:57:20 < __rob2> hes done with that now as far as I know
2015-09-10T14:57:23 < __rob2> got is phd
2015-09-10T14:57:29 < scrts_w> yup
2015-09-10T14:57:33 < __rob2> his thesis is on his blog
2015-09-10T14:57:33 < scrts_w> he's pretty smart guy
2015-09-10T14:58:05 < __rob2> worht a look dongs
2015-09-10T14:58:19 < __rob2> I don't think its shit myself
2015-09-10T15:00:12 < __rob2> dongs, http://siliconexposed.blogspot.co.uk/
2015-09-10T15:00:54 < __rob2> his thesis is the top post
2015-09-10T15:01:03 < __rob2> linked in there anyway
2015-09-10T15:01:28 < __rob2> have a read.. sounds like a pretty credible guy too me
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2015-09-10T16:56:15 < BrainDamage> astonemberg is ok, but when i hanged out in ##electronics there was a massive amount of circlejerking about the tiniest and most normal of projects, "omfg you hand soldered 0201 resistors"
2015-09-10T16:56:54 < scrts_w> omfg I hate soldering 0201
2015-09-10T16:57:19 < BrainDamage> yes it's annoying but it's not a superhuman feat
2015-09-10T16:57:51 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-09-10T16:58:00 < Laurenceb> yeah ##electronics is fail
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2015-09-10T16:59:57 < Laurenceb> holy shit i lolld
2015-09-10T17:00:04 < Laurenceb> http://thetab.com/2015/09/10/phd-student-sent-sexist-linkedin-compliment-from-a-top-legal-expert-53044
2015-09-10T17:00:26 < Laurenceb> third sentence
2015-09-10T17:01:34 < Sync> > PhD in female genital mutilation
2015-09-10T17:01:36 < Sync> wat
2015-09-10T17:02:03 < Laurenceb> lurning 2 cut
2015-09-10T17:02:31 < Sync> obv
2015-09-10T17:03:20 < Ecco> Guys, I need some help on DMA
2015-09-10T17:03:43 < Ecco> Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole concept of DMA is to have "something" handle some memory transfers while the CPU is busy doing something else
2015-09-10T17:03:58 < Ecco> So let's say I want to drive a screen over SPI
2015-09-10T17:04:07 < Ecco> And that I opt for a framebuffer approach
2015-09-10T17:04:29 < Ecco> It seems like a good candidate for DMA: "something" could stream that memory region to the LCD panel, while the CPU does something else
2015-09-10T17:04:33 < Ecco> Is that correct?
2015-09-10T17:09:20 < Lux> yep
2015-09-10T17:10:02 < Ecco> ok, thanks :)
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2015-09-10T17:10:27 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4UiwEhl8L4 thats what I did here
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2015-09-10T17:16:43 < Ecco> huh, are you sure that's the good video?
2015-09-10T17:16:52 < dongs> yes
2015-09-10T17:16:55 < dongs> its like over 9000fps refresh
2015-09-10T17:17:00 < Ecco> The display is incredibly … weird
2015-09-10T17:17:00 < Ecco> oh
2015-09-10T17:17:02 < dongs> so fast, it shows BOTH images at once
2015-09-10T17:17:02 < dongs> yes.
2015-09-10T17:17:27 < Ecco> I doubt the LCD controller drives the panel that fast
2015-09-10T17:17:33 < Ecco> IIRC it's limited to like 120Hz
2015-09-10T17:17:55 < dongs> well i filmed that at 120hz
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2015-09-10T17:18:10 < dongs> and it was already flickering there.
2015-09-10T17:18:18 < Ecco> hmm
2015-09-10T17:18:47 < Ecco> The datasheet from a similar panel says "The frame rate range is from 20Hz to 170 Hz"
2015-09-10T17:19:01 < Ecco> (cannot copy verbatim, crap locked PDF)
2015-09-10T17:19:08 < dongs> rite
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2015-09-10T17:34:17 < Laurenceb> haha wtf
2015-09-10T17:34:26 < xkonni> is there some kind of compatibility layer to run stm32-code on other platforms, like minnowboard? the sx1276 does not play nice, thinking about using 'working stm32 code' instead of 'adapting non-working raspberry code for the minnowboard'
2015-09-10T17:34:28 < Laurenceb> today I lurnt that https://twitter.com/connie_stlouis?lang=en hangs on irc
2015-09-10T17:34:36 < Laurenceb> nick is fishgirl
2015-09-10T17:34:59 < Laurenceb> needs to get trolld so badly
2015-09-10T17:42:59 < Sync> who da
2015-09-10T17:43:00 < Sync> t
2015-09-10T17:43:32 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hunt#Social_media_reaction
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2015-09-10T17:45:11 < Sync> oh wow
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2015-09-10T17:49:43 < Ecco> I'm so bored with this fucking political correctness…
2015-09-10T17:50:42 < Laurenceb> so hang on irc then :P
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2015-09-10T17:52:44 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-10T17:54:29 < Getty> Ecco: there is this awesome Becker episode about this
2015-09-10T17:55:13 < Getty> Ecco: i just love this episode, it shows that those wanting political correctness most often only want it to hide their own unpolitical thinking
2015-09-10T17:56:29 < Ecco> That would actually make sense
2015-09-10T17:57:25 < Getty> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ohXEV1A1Rg
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2015-09-10T18:02:22 < Ecco> That's pretty funny :)
2015-09-10T18:10:23 < kakimir> guys recommendations for buying active carbon foams?
2015-09-10T18:10:32 < kakimir> for vapor filter
2015-09-10T18:11:32 < kakimir> in winterland you don't want push warm air out so planning to modificate my system
2015-09-10T18:12:19 < kakimir> does just single layer of it actually remove all that nasty vapor?
2015-09-10T18:14:41 < kakimir> also all that piping is then not needed
2015-09-10T18:14:53 < kakimir>  adapters and stuff
2015-09-10T18:15:30 < ReadError> dongs what holiday festivities do you have planned for tomorrow
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2015-09-10T18:15:38 < dongs> er?
2015-09-10T18:15:40 < dongs> oh, 911
2015-09-10T18:15:42 < dongs> donno
2015-09-10T18:15:47 < Ecco> dongs: I'm trying to send some data to an LCD similar to yours (from buydisplays). Apparently it uses 4-level grayscales. But for some reason, it does 3 pixels/byte
2015-09-10T18:15:50 < dongs> i guess im getting some birthday emails soon
2015-09-10T18:16:02 < dongs> Ecco: 4 level is 0,01,10,11
2015-09-10T18:16:06 < Ecco> (whereas I would have expected it to be 2bits/pixels
2015-09-10T18:16:10 < dongs> yaeh
2015-09-10T18:16:18 < dongs> 3 pixels/byte hm so liek,,,
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2015-09-10T18:16:29 < dongs> one of hte bits is empty?
2015-09-10T18:16:30 < dongs> or wat
2015-09-10T18:16:53 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/z0LzRTQ.png
2015-09-10T18:17:07 < Ecco> (So apparently when you write a byte, D7-D0
2015-09-10T18:17:21 < Ecco> D7-D5 and d4-d2 will encode both one pixel
2015-09-10T18:17:30 < Ecco> and D1/D0 the third one Oo
2015-09-10T18:17:35 < Ecco> Am I reading this the wrong way
2015-09-10T18:17:41 < Ecco> or that shit seriously fucked up?
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2015-09-10T18:23:34 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carbon-Fiber-Cabin-Air-Filter-for-2007-2014-Toyota-Yaris-Camry-06-14-RAV4-Tundra-/231598890792 pollen filter is way to go
2015-09-10T18:25:30 < kakimir> do you have holiday in muricas for 911?
2015-09-10T18:25:45 < zyp> to celebrate?
2015-09-10T18:25:56 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-10T18:26:52 < kakimir> to recall sweet memories
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2015-09-10T18:29:54 < kakimir> good thing about this migration crisis is that media has less time to masturbate with demolition work videos
2015-09-10T18:30:02 < Getty> kakimir: bold way to ask ;)
2015-09-10T18:30:05 < Getty> "holiday"
2015-09-10T18:30:56 < kakimir> I have heard that muricans have no holiday
2015-09-10T18:31:35 < englishman> why do you need a pollen filter in a place that is always winter
2015-09-10T18:33:52 < kakimir> there is short summer but we call it winter too
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2015-09-10T18:46:32 < Bundestrojaner> good evening
2015-09-10T18:46:46 < Steffann_> Good afternoon Sir
2015-09-10T18:47:21 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: thx for your f0lib you showed me yesterday :)
2015-09-10T18:48:01 < upgrdman_> sure
2015-09-10T18:48:05 < upgrdman_> got things working?
2015-09-10T18:49:29 < upgrdman_> kakimir, in case your question was serious: no, but the media likes to do short wanker memorial clips of firefighters, etc.
2015-09-10T18:51:38 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_:  not yet, i guess some setting is missing...
2015-09-10T18:51:38 < Bundestrojaner> so i looked at your code what you do - you use the same i2c-pins as I do: PB6,PB7. So i just call the same functions as you do: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12329152/
2015-09-10T18:51:38 < Bundestrojaner> but i still get no communication on my i2c-bus...
2015-09-10T18:52:20 < Bundestrojaner> pullup is disabled because my eeprom has pullups soldered on the board
2015-09-10T18:52:52 < upgrdman_> Bundestrojaner, you might need to change the 1 to 2, but it's been a while, so i might be wrong.
2015-09-10T18:53:07 < upgrdman_> more importantly: have you scopes the pins? is there a waveform?
2015-09-10T18:54:29 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: you mean the parameter byteCount?
2015-09-10T18:54:29 < Bundestrojaner> i have my scope connected, SCL and SDA are =VCC all the time...
2015-09-10T18:54:37 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-09-10T18:54:40 < upgrdman_> ok
2015-09-10T18:54:41 < upgrdman_> hmm
2015-09-10T18:55:50 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: Some src i found a while ago does: GPIO_PinAFConfig(GPIOB, GPIO_PinSource6, GPIO_AF_1);
2015-09-10T18:55:50 < Bundestrojaner> I didn't found that in your lib, but since it worked for you...
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2015-09-10T18:56:09 < upgrdman_> that part of my gpio.c
2015-09-10T18:56:40 < upgrdman_> ya i poke the AF registers in gpio_setup()
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2015-09-10T18:58:10 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: Ok, so you just don't use GPIO_PinAFConfig(...); for it
2015-09-10T18:58:18 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-09-10T18:58:24 < upgrdman_> OH i think i found the problem in your code
2015-09-10T18:58:30 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: I think 1 is right for bytecount
2015-09-10T18:58:38 < Bundestrojaner> what is it?
2015-09-10T18:58:38 < upgrdman_> ya 1 is right
2015-09-10T18:58:40 < upgrdman_> but
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2015-09-10T18:58:41 < upgrdman_> enum GPIO_PIN sck=PB6, sda=PB7;
2015-09-10T18:58:50 < upgrdman_> PB6 will be == 0
2015-09-10T18:58:52 < upgrdman_> in your enum
2015-09-10T18:58:54 < upgrdman_> which is wrong
2015-09-10T18:59:00 < upgrdman_> use my full big ass enum
2015-09-10T18:59:18 < upgrdman_> in gpio.h
2015-09-10T18:59:36 < upgrdman_> https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_gpio.h?ts=4
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2015-09-10T19:00:27 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: the enum GPIO_PIN is your big enum from _gpio.h?
2015-09-10T19:00:33 < upgrdman_> ya
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2015-09-10T19:01:34 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: so how shall i do it?
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2015-09-10T19:02:06 < Bundestrojaner> you have the enum as function's parameter, but you also set it PB6 and PB7
2015-09-10T19:02:20 < upgrdman_> replace your enum with
2015-09-10T19:02:21 < upgrdman_> https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_gpio.h?ts=4#L8
2015-09-10T19:02:49 < upgrdman_> the enum maps every pin to an interger. the function argument is just one of those values.
2015-09-10T19:03:03 < upgrdman_> and the integer mapped to each pin must be correct.
2015-09-10T19:04:54 < upgrdman_> like this:
2015-09-10T19:04:54 < upgrdman_> http://pastebin.com/p0UwqKQk
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2015-09-10T19:05:47 < upgrdman_> or if you prefer, do something like "#define SCK PB6" etc.
2015-09-10T19:06:20 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: thx, i'll try it :)
2015-09-10T19:07:31 < upgrdman_> oh the enum is defined in my gpio.h... so you dont need to redefine it in main()
2015-09-10T19:07:55 < upgrdman_> so all you need is: gpio_setup(PB6, AF, OPEN_DRAIN, FIFTY_MHZ, NO_PULL, AF1); // sck
2015-09-10T19:07:56 < upgrdman_> gpio_setup(PB7, AF, OPEN_DRAIN, FIFTY_MHZ, NO_PULL, AF1); // sda
2015-09-10T19:07:56 < Bundestrojaner> yeah, i thought so. but i'm not very familiar with enums...
2015-09-10T19:08:15 < Bundestrojaner> PB6 is now 22 and PB7 is 23 (according to debug)
2015-09-10T19:08:21 < Bundestrojaner> but it still don't work :(
2015-09-10T19:09:13 < upgrdman_> do your pins works as normal IOs?
2015-09-10T19:09:23 < upgrdman_> e.g. are you sure your chip is broken
2015-09-10T19:10:16 < upgrdman_> isn't*
2015-09-10T19:10:51 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: atleast pull_up works and pulls the pins up
2015-09-10T19:11:00 < upgrdman_> k
2015-09-10T19:16:39 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: my pullups are 15K, is that ok?
2015-09-10T19:16:58 < upgrdman_> should be
2015-09-10T19:17:20 < upgrdman_> if not, you'd at least see an analogish square wave on your scope
2015-09-10T19:18:00 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: i always have vcc on both... i try another f0discovery board...
2015-09-10T19:18:42 < upgrdman_> check disco pcb schematic. make sure something on the board isn't already connected to the pins you want to use
2015-09-10T19:19:11 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: shall i try it with PULL_UP and nothing than scope connected? or with the eeprom and NO_PULL?
2015-09-10T19:19:38 < upgrdman_> so your eeprom is the i2c device?
2015-09-10T19:20:35 < upgrdman_> you can leave the eeprom connected to the mcu, and scope the pins. also make sure your eeprom is wired right, and that you are using the correct i2c address.
2015-09-10T19:20:53 < upgrdman_> also, my code does not handle any i2c errors :) so, uh, that could cause problems :)
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2015-09-10T19:22:05 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: the eeprom works, i read it today with a ATMega
2015-09-10T19:22:17 < kakimir> upgrdman_: in here firefighters and stuff never were nothing but sidenote
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2015-09-10T19:23:00 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: at least i should see something on the scope
2015-09-10T19:23:13 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-09-10T19:23:15 < kakimir> has to do something with muricas fighter/soldier/hero fixation
2015-09-10T19:23:30 < upgrdman_> Bundestrojaner, im out of ideas
2015-09-10T19:24:27 < upgrdman_> kakimir, while i agree that muricans often get fixed on that, i think in this case its more of an honorable tribute to people who risked their lives and died.
2015-09-10T19:24:46 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-10T19:25:46 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: with the new controller, i get squares...
2015-09-10T19:26:02 < Bundestrojaner> i think you were right, the old controller is broken
2015-09-10T19:26:38 < upgrdman_> yay (that you found the problem)
2015-09-10T19:27:08 < Bundestrojaner> :)
2015-09-10T19:27:08 < Bundestrojaner> i hope so
2015-09-10T19:27:24 < Bundestrojaner> now i'll read it with the atmega and see if it wrote the byte
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2015-09-10T20:35:08 < Steffanx> lol
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2015-09-10T20:44:22 < Tectu>  /nick mega_guest
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2015-09-10T21:20:49 < ReadError> haha Tectu
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2015-09-10T21:27:55 < Bundestrojaner> The datashit says about I2C's TXIS-Flag: "In the case of a write transfer, the TXIS flag is set after each byte transmission, after the 9th SCL pulse when an ACK is received."
2015-09-10T21:27:56 < Bundestrojaner> What happens if no ACK is received?
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2015-09-10T21:30:32 < FAalbers> Hello, what is the proper way to find functions in hal based on old functions , like RCC_GetClocksFreq()
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2015-09-10T21:38:01 < Ecco> Tectu, I need help if you're here :)
2015-09-10T21:40:20 < Fleck> Bundestrojaner: you have AF bit set - ack not received...
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2015-09-10T21:42:15 < Tectu> Ecco, always at your disposal, Sir.
2015-09-10T21:43:09 < Tectu> Bundestrojaner, http://screencast.com/t/z831nAY0ne0
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2015-09-10T21:46:13 < Bundestrojaner> Fleck:  AF-bit? i read NACKF is set. But what happens with TXIS?
2015-09-10T21:46:33 < Bundestrojaner> Tectu: why do you have a WLAN called Bundestrojaner? :p
2015-09-10T21:47:04 < Tectu> Bundestrojaner, I was wondering whether you would tell me
2015-09-10T21:49:13 < Bundestrojaner> Tectu: pls call the german ministry of the interior and ask for mister de Maizere or Mister Schäuble
2015-09-10T21:49:33 < Tectu> Bundestrojaner, is that Mr. Wheels?
2015-09-10T21:49:47 < Bundestrojaner> yes, mr. wheels. he's the inventor
2015-09-10T21:49:48 < Tectu> never heard of Maizer, tho
2015-09-10T21:51:47 < Fleck> my guess - doesn't change Bundestrojaner, but - debug/check!
2015-09-10T21:57:06 < Fleck> Bundestrojaner: from RM: If a NACK is received: the TXIS flag is not set
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2015-09-10T22:36:44 < Bundestrojaner> Fleck: thx
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2015-09-10T22:49:21 < FAalbers> Hello, Are many of you using hal now ? Can't seem to find much tutorials on that
2015-09-10T22:49:56 < qyx_> different kinds of hals, yes
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2015-09-10T23:08:37 < Fleck> qyx_: I think he means ST's CUBE HAL ;p
2015-09-10T23:09:40 < FAalbers> Anyone here developing for STM32 using Eclipse ?
2015-09-10T23:10:03 < FAalbers> Fleck, Indeed
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2015-09-10T23:12:39 < Sync> can someone recommend a spi flash chip that has a smaller block size than 4k?
2015-09-10T23:13:05 < Fleck> digikey maybe?
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2015-09-10T23:16:22 < FAalbers2> I'm getting the following when trying to use debug trace command trace_puts() ...
2015-09-10T23:19:01 < FAalbers2> Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
2015-09-10T23:19:01 < FAalbers2> 0x08000574 in call_host () at ../system/include/arm/semihosting.h:80
2015-09-10T23:19:01 < FAalbers2> 80	  asm volatile (
2015-09-10T23:19:01 < FAalbers2> Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
2015-09-10T23:19:02 < FAalbers2> Any idea ?
2015-09-10T23:20:27 < mtbg> enable semihosting in openocd?
2015-09-10T23:23:01 < FAalbers2> mtbg , it's ON ... OS_USE_TRACE_SEMIHOSTING_DEBUG
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2015-09-10T23:23:48 < FAalbers2> mtbg , works on my Desktop, but not on my laptop. Wondering what I'm forgetting
2015-09-10T23:23:56 < mtbg> that's not an openocd flag
2015-09-10T23:24:09 < FAalbers2> On my Desktop it does print the trace command results
2015-09-10T23:25:38 < FAalbers2> mtbg , I use this setup for openocd  ... -f board/st_nucleo_f401re.cfg
2015-09-10T23:25:49 < mtbg> try 'arm semihosting enable' in openocd console
2015-09-10T23:25:52 < FAalbers2> mtbg same as I use in my desktop
2015-09-10T23:25:59 < mtbg> or same prepended with 'monitor' on gdb
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2015-09-10T23:51:00 < FAalbers2> mtbg , when I run openocd by itself , arm semihosting is not enabled. I just don't know how to send commands to openocd while debugging in Eclipse . I can only seem to view console prints, but no place to enter the command or have openocd start upwith the command yougave me
2015-09-10T23:51:50 < FAalbers2> Just not very familiar with Eclipse yet
2015-09-10T23:54:24 < karlp> why ix xkonni trying to use a minnowboard? how much is intel paying them for their work?
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2015-09-10T23:58:24 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: why do you shift the i2c-address <<1?
2015-09-10T23:58:41 < FAalbers2> mtbg Figured it out ! :) There is an initialization setting you need to tag on called 'Enable ARM Semihosting' in the Startup settings :)
2015-09-10T23:59:42 < upgrdman_> Bundestrojaner, dont recall. you're referring to the CR2 assignment, right?
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2015-09-11T00:00:00 < upgrdman_> Bundestrojaner, check out the reference manual. im guessing bit 0 is something other than the address
2015-09-11T00:00:21 < karlp> heh, who else got this TI spam to join their "exper advisory panel" aka "we want to make you feel good about doing lots of surveys for us for free"
2015-09-11T00:00:45 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: no, it is not. but i found other documentations on the net, also saying you have to shift it.
2015-09-11T00:00:45 < Bundestrojaner> but for my f0, it's not true
2015-09-11T00:01:05 < Bundestrojaner> if i shift it, i shift the MSB out
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2015-09-11T00:01:55 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: this one: http://hsel.co.uk/2014/08/13/stm32f0-mini-tutorial-using-the-i2c-peripheral-to-communicate-with-a-hmc5883l-digital-compass-ic/
2015-09-11T00:03:13 < upgrdman_> Bundestrojaner, see page 667 of http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/DM00031936.pdf
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2015-09-11T00:04:32 < upgrdman_> SADD[7:1]: Slave address bit 7:1 (master mode)
2015-09-11T00:04:33 < upgrdman_> In 7-bit addressing mode (ADD10 = 0):
2015-09-11T00:04:33 < upgrdman_> These bits should be written with the 7-bit slave address to be sent
2015-09-11T00:04:44 < upgrdman_> ^ that's why
2015-09-11T00:06:34 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: i see my mistake: i wrote a 8bit-address into the parameter so i did the shift by myself^^
2015-09-11T00:06:42 < upgrdman_> :)
2015-09-11T00:06:57 < Bundestrojaner> anyway, at least reading works now and your lib was a great help :)
2015-09-11T00:07:09 < upgrdman_> cool
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2015-09-11T00:22:51 < kakimir> should do some manual dicknplacing
2015-09-11T00:22:56 < kakimir> don't really feel like it
2015-09-11T00:28:22 < kakimir> just understood I don't have all the parts yet so doesn't make any sense
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2015-09-11T00:36:03 < kakimir> it's hard to fill all 0603 caps last
2015-09-11T00:36:32 < kakimir> how is projects?
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2015-09-11T03:58:00 < reportingsjr> hmm, wtf..
2015-09-11T03:58:18 < reportingsjr> last night I was having issues programming a board with an STM32f100 discovery board
2015-09-11T03:58:27 < kakimir> today all is fine?
2015-09-11T03:58:45 < reportingsjr> I still am, but I found that when I connect /just the ground/ of my board the the discovery that the discovery can't even program it's on board dev IC!
2015-09-11T03:58:51 < reportingsjr> wtf would cause that???
2015-09-11T03:59:39 < kakimir> how are boards powered?
2015-09-11T04:02:23 < reportingsjr> my board is powered by Power over Ethernet, the dev is by USB
2015-09-11T04:02:44 < reportingsjr> the PoE power is isolated
2015-09-11T04:02:48 < reportingsjr> huh..
2015-09-11T04:02:57 < reportingsjr> something I tried yesterday is working..
2015-09-11T04:03:17 < reportingsjr> I tried powering my board from the dev board and it succesfully programmed it
2015-09-11T04:04:21 < kakimir> how about measuring if you have some problems there with ground levels?
2015-09-11T04:04:41 < kakimir> what are you doings if you have poe stuff?
2015-09-11T04:04:49 < kakimir> interesting
2015-09-11T04:05:10 < kakimir> don't say you just power it via ethernet nothing else
2015-09-11T04:06:21 < reportingsjr> kakimir: making a PoE powered door/tool/etc controller
2015-09-11T04:06:48 < reportingsjr> kakimir: has an NFC attachment and the goal is to be able to open doors, turn tools on, etc via NFC cards (for a local hackerspace)
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2015-09-11T04:16:37 < reportingsjr> kakimir: oh, hi, haha
2015-09-11T04:17:45 < kakimir> hi
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2015-09-11T04:48:14 < ReadError> dongs happy birthday!!
2015-09-11T04:50:20 < Roklobsta> you insensitive clod.  he's camped on the roof of his house until the flood subsides.
2015-09-11T04:52:09 < dongs> lolwat flood
2015-09-11T04:53:59 < Roklobsta> i saw a headline in the paper.  didn't read the article of course.
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2015-09-11T05:09:33 < upgrdman> literally for dongs   http://i.imgur.com/eYDFGya.jpg
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2015-09-11T05:20:40 < upgrdman> found R2COM:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQDOxwgDPYc
2015-09-11T05:20:48 < kakimir> burning man upgrdman?
2015-09-11T05:21:08 < upgrdman> dunno
2015-09-11T05:21:23 < kakimir> hipster looking ppl ridin bicycles and camping in middle of sand
2015-09-11T05:23:01 < kakimir> "0-100 real quick"
2015-09-11T05:23:15 < kakimir> in murican 0-60 real quick
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2015-09-11T05:29:24 < kakimir> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COcs44ZWUAAqbPc.png:large somebody tell me what is red and blue
2015-09-11T05:30:48 < kakimir> I think I figured it out
2015-09-11T05:31:06 < ReadError> http://images.dailykos.com/images/151797/original/MAP_Population_development.gif?1435804710
2015-09-11T05:31:10 < kakimir> it's population change percentages
2015-09-11T05:31:24 < ReadError> you need the right click -> search google for image
2015-09-11T05:32:58 < kakimir> what a hell is happening in france?
2015-09-11T05:33:26 < ReadError> muslims?
2015-09-11T05:33:31 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-11T05:33:46 < kakimir> birth of islamic state
2015-09-11T05:35:02 < kakimir> sweet
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2015-09-11T06:16:23 < kakimir> http://gorillacool.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Krubera-Cave.jpg
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2015-09-11T06:38:29 < dongs> wat
2015-09-11T06:39:26 < ReadError> kakimir can you find a lower-res smaller version?
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2015-09-11T06:39:54 < dongs> feels so g ood to be writing invoices on 9/11
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2015-09-11T07:54:55 < emeb_mac> it's going to be a clown show
2015-09-11T07:57:29 < emeb_mac> can't argue that
2015-09-11T08:02:57 < emeb_mac> sheyeah
2015-09-11T08:03:31 < emeb_mac> anyone who thinks that a presidents policies will enrich anyone below the top 1% is lying to themselves.
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2015-09-11T08:11:12 < emeb_mac> Not unless he takes his shirt off!
2015-09-11T08:11:18 < emeb_mac> eeeewwwww
2015-09-11T08:12:16 < zyp> isn't trump too controversial to actually have a realistic chance?
2015-09-11T08:12:42 < zyp> at least that's how he's being portrayed
2015-09-11T08:13:36 < zyp> R2COM, well, you're delusional anyway
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2015-09-11T08:14:11 < ReadError> R2COM will you be fighting the good fight tomorrow?
2015-09-11T08:14:20 < ReadError> the #FYF movement etc
2015-09-11T08:16:00 < emeb_mac> zyp: there's a lot that can happen between now and election time. It'll be interesting to see how it turns out.
2015-09-11T08:16:12 < emeb_mac> in the meantime, grab popcorn...
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2015-09-11T08:17:43 < emeb_mac> zyp: strange thing - with the latest launchpad toolchain I was having some strange stuff going on in the shell after running arm-none-eabi-gdb for BMP flashing
2015-09-11T08:18:04 < emeb_mac> found I needed to add a "stty sane" afterwards to reset the terminal to something usable.
2015-09-11T08:18:08 < emeb_mac> dunno why
2015-09-11T08:18:47 < emeb_mac> it may be related to BMP
2015-09-11T08:18:53 < emeb_mac> which I doubt you use.
2015-09-11T08:19:20 < zyp> emeb_mac, I guess for some weird reason, gdb touches terminal settings when in batch mode and doesn't reset them
2015-09-11T08:19:28 < emeb_mac> zyp: yes
2015-09-11T08:20:27 < emeb_mac> I had been doing a "reset" but that also cleared out any msgs from the flash process
2015-09-11T08:20:43 < emeb_mac> stty sane however doesn't clear the screen, so that's better.
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2015-09-11T08:32:15 < ds2> run it via script?
2015-09-11T08:40:25 < emeb_mac> yes
2015-09-11T08:40:38 < emeb_mac> makefile actually
2015-09-11T08:48:24 < dongs> is there such thing as 1:2 buffer
2015-09-11T08:49:44 < ds2> no no
2015-09-11T08:49:51 < ds2> as in the script command
2015-09-11T08:49:54 < ds2> it will log everything
2015-09-11T08:49:59 < ds2> man script
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2015-09-11T09:05:55 < ds2> !
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2015-09-11T09:21:54 < emeb_mac> oh - you mean to figure out what it's sending to the terminal
2015-09-11T09:22:09 < emeb_mac> ds2: ^
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2015-09-11T09:28:43 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sj2iQyBTQs
2015-09-11T09:28:49 < dongs> 4.6 mil views in 2 days wat
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2015-09-11T09:35:34 < Fleck> hello peeps
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2015-09-11T09:42:07 < elektrinis> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Xiaomi-Mi-4i-Dual-Sim-16GB-4G-LTE-Sim-Free-Unlocked-Mobile-Black-/231603745862?hash=item35eca8b446
2015-09-11T09:42:13 < elektrinis> are these genuine?
2015-09-11T09:42:33 < dongs> probly
2015-09-11T09:42:37 < dongs> what makes you think they arent?
2015-09-11T09:42:46 < elektrinis> many shady sellers
2015-09-11T09:42:50 < elektrinis> with private listings
2015-09-11T09:43:09 < dongs> 35 sold since june this year
2015-09-11T09:43:13 < elektrinis> also I saw many counterfeit lenovo phones
2015-09-11T09:43:15 < dongs> if it was fake someone would have noticed
2015-09-11T09:45:25 < ds2> yes
2015-09-11T09:46:48 < ReadError> is it even worth making a fake chinese phone?
2015-09-11T09:46:58 < ReadError> if they wanted to rob you they could just send you a brick
2015-09-11T09:47:13 < dongs> ReadError: places like fastcardtech exist so who knows but yeah
2015-09-11T09:47:26 < dongs> generally i dont see the point for hte effort involved
2015-09-11T09:47:30 < elektrinis> alibaba is full of fake phones
2015-09-11T09:47:43 < elektrinis> I was looking at one lenovo model on alibaba
2015-09-11T09:47:55 < elektrinis> then found it being sold locally
2015-09-11T09:48:02 < elektrinis> went to meet the guy
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2015-09-11T09:48:07 < ReadError> use aliexpress
2015-09-11T09:48:08 < dongs> elektrinis: https://www.fastcardtech.com/XIAOMI-MI4I-Advanced-Edition.html think this is fake?
2015-09-11T09:48:11 < ReadError> protect dat ass
2015-09-11T09:48:13 < elektrinis> he said it is fake and he bought it on alibaba
2015-09-11T09:48:30 < dongs> hm ebay listing is cheaper
2015-09-11T09:49:32 < ReadError> 16 vs 32
2015-09-11T09:49:41 < ReadError> I model?
2015-09-11T09:49:43 < elektrinis> Add google play store + $2.99
2015-09-11T09:49:43 < elektrinis> lol
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2015-09-11T09:51:03 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-Xiaomi-Mi4-M4-Mi-4-16GB-WCDMA-3G-White-Phone-Snapdragon-801-Quad-Core-5/2052686069.html?ws_ab_test=201407_1%2C201444_5%2C201409_1
2015-09-11T09:51:08 < ReadError> this seller seems legit
2015-09-11T09:51:20 < ReadError> oh diff model
2015-09-11T09:51:42 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-Xiaomi-Mi4i-Mi-4i-4G-LTE-Dual-SIM-Mobile-Phone-5-0-1920x1080P-Qualcomm-Octa/32345333294.html?ws_ab_test=201407_1,201444_5,201409_1
2015-09-11T09:51:59 < ReadError> actually cheaper than ebay
2015-09-11T09:52:08 < ReadError> since gbp
2015-09-11T09:52:28 < dongs> alifagpress has no paypal
2015-09-11T09:52:30 < dongs> so they can fuck right off
2015-09-11T09:53:33 < elektrinis> it somethink similar, alipay
2015-09-11T09:53:37 < elektrinis> tried it several times
2015-09-11T09:53:47 < dongs> except it has nothign to do wiht paypal
2015-09-11T09:53:58 < elektrinis> so far ok, but there were no issues to test disputes on
2015-09-11T09:54:12 < elektrinis> actually i hate paypal
2015-09-11T09:54:23 < elektrinis> paypal & ebay stole over 2000 gbp from me
2015-09-11T09:54:37 < elektrinis> and never gave an explanation
2015-09-11T09:57:03 < dongs> i have a different story
2015-09-11T09:57:12 < dongs> and it doenst involve stealing
2015-09-11T09:57:14 < dongs> so i dont mind.
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2015-09-11T12:31:05 < ReadError> Laurenceb__
2015-09-11T12:36:39 < Laurenceb__> wut
2015-09-11T12:37:27 < Laurenceb__> ReadError?
2015-09-11T12:39:45 < Laurenceb__> moar liek pingerror
2015-09-11T12:40:52 < ReadError> the amazing TBS CROSSFIRE firmware is up
2015-09-11T12:41:20 < ReadError> with its 100km on 100mw technology
2015-09-11T12:42:22 < Laurenceb__> oh nice
2015-09-11T12:42:36 < Laurenceb__> someone needs to do a teardown
2015-09-11T12:44:32 < Sync> ermaze
2015-09-11T12:45:52 < Sync> Power consumption: 1.1W (@10mW) - 3.2W (@2000mW)
2015-09-11T12:46:13 < Sync> so much for 100mW
2015-09-11T12:46:17 < ReadError> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25091878/0x000100xx_0x0017.bin
2015-09-11T12:46:29 < ReadError> theres the binary but duno how to get anything useful
2015-09-11T12:46:42 < Laurenceb__> I might look l8ters
2015-09-11T12:46:44 < Laurenceb__> bbl
2015-09-11T12:47:37 < Sync> probably crypted
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2015-09-11T13:13:00 < PeterM> elektrinis, dongs, ReadError http://www.antelife.com/xiaomi-mi-4i-qualcomm-snapdragon-615-1-7ghz-octa-core-5-0-inch-fhd-screen-android-5-0-4g-lte-smartphone-black.html
2015-09-11T13:13:04 < PeterM> antelife are legit
2015-09-11T13:17:30 < scrts_w> PeterM: did you try that phone?
2015-09-11T13:18:13 < PeterM> no, but i have 2x xiaomi mi3w s
2015-09-11T13:19:33 < scrts_w> and happy with them?
2015-09-11T13:20:03 < PeterM> yeah, i put CM on both of them though
2015-09-11T13:22:15 < scrts_w> why the original one wasn't good?
2015-09-11T13:22:23 < scrts_w> I wonder if dual sim will drain the battery faster
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2015-09-11T13:27:31 < PeterM> i dont like miui, no.
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2015-09-11T13:51:50 < ReadError> ram is getting cheap again
2015-09-11T13:51:57 < ReadError> 32gb for like 150$
2015-09-11T13:53:43 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/Ll3RpKY.jpg
2015-09-11T13:54:08 < PeterM> lazer dick clouds
2015-09-11T13:54:18 < PeterM> what would we do without them
2015-09-11T13:57:53 < Roklobsta> it's activating the chemtrails
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2015-09-11T15:56:39 < aandrew> http://www.imgur.com/gallery/6l1WcfI  <-- dongcopter
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2015-09-11T16:08:52 < englishman> happy birthday dongs
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2015-09-11T16:25:28 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tQ1185dRuPU
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2015-09-11T16:27:35 < Fleck> old
2015-09-11T16:28:10 < Roklobsta> a week is old?
2015-09-11T16:28:22 < Fleck> not a week
2015-09-11T16:28:42 < Fleck> search kreosan @ yt
2015-09-11T16:33:07 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/km5zuWV.jpg
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2015-09-11T16:36:20 < kakimir> jewlers did 911?
2015-09-11T16:39:54 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdChJmK5k7U
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2015-09-11T16:41:30 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
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2015-09-11T17:02:13 < kakimir> blame on dongs
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2015-09-11T17:50:18 < Ecco> Hmm, so I've this LCD panel from buydisplay.com
2015-09-11T17:50:39 < Ecco> And I feel like the LCD controller is *not* the one they say it is
2015-09-11T17:50:56 < Ecco> (The datasheet says data is encoded as 3pixels/byte (awful, but well)
2015-09-11T17:51:07 < Ecco> and in practice, it looks like it is in fact 2pixels/byte
2015-09-11T17:51:27 < Ecco> Question: is it possible that they changed the controller? If so, how can I tell which controller this is?
2015-09-11T17:51:50 < upgrdman_> yes, it's not uncommon for them to change things without telling you
2015-09-11T17:51:55 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-11T17:53:02 < Ecco> I did have a previous item of the "very same" display
2015-09-11T17:53:06 < Ecco> but the markings are a bit different
2015-09-11T17:53:15 < Ecco> Unfortunately the controller is not visible…
2015-09-11T17:53:28 < upgrdman_> as for how to tell, there's no standard, like "reg x contains the model number" :(
2015-09-11T17:53:36 < Ecco> hmm, ok
2015-09-11T17:53:39 < upgrdman_> so visually is about it. if the die is exposed
2015-09-11T17:53:44 < Ecco> it's not :(
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2015-09-11T18:02:48 < upgrdman_> might also be a timing issue. that's always a bitch to figure out with poor docs
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2015-09-11T18:11:05 < Laurenceb> http://www.spl.ch/temp/EOS1/close_shave.mpg
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2015-09-11T18:16:04 < Ecco> hmm, ok maybe
2015-09-11T18:17:19 < Ecco> Laurenceb: What the hell was this?
2015-09-11T18:17:28 < Ecco> (poor compression btw)
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2015-09-11T18:17:42 < Laurenceb> some stupid perman00b balloon
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2015-09-11T18:19:06 < Ecco> Hmm, I'm pretty sure I got a different revision of the chip in that LCD controller
2015-09-11T18:19:14 < Ecco> it really doesn't work like the spec says it should
2015-09-11T18:19:16 < Ecco> it's close though
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2015-09-11T18:54:32 < Ecco> Hmm
2015-09-11T18:54:36 < Ecco> Ok, now I hav a weird issue
2015-09-11T18:54:43 < Ecco> depending on the amount of white or black pixels
2015-09-11T18:54:48 < Ecco> apparently, the contrast of the panel changes
2015-09-11T18:54:53 < upgrdman_> lol
2015-09-11T18:54:54 < Ecco> is that normal?
2015-09-11T18:55:05 < upgrdman_> not for me
2015-09-11T18:55:20 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-11T18:55:32 < upgrdman_> does your lcd use external caps for the boost circuit?
2015-09-11T18:55:35 < Ecco> Yes
2015-09-11T18:55:42 < upgrdman_> maybe they're too small?
2015-09-11T18:55:48 < upgrdman_> and voltage dips under load
2015-09-11T18:55:58 < Ecco> Oh
2015-09-11T18:56:24 < Ecco> Well, supposedly I used what's recommended by the manufacturer
2015-09-11T18:56:37 < mitrax> upgrdman_: for TFT that wouldn't matter though would it? isn't the backlight supposed to be the same all the time?
2015-09-11T18:56:41 < upgrdman_> mlcc? don't forget about derating with DC
2015-09-11T18:56:49 < upgrdman_> mitrax, not backlight
2015-09-11T18:56:59 < upgrdman_> mitrax, drive voltages for the TFT itself
2015-09-11T18:57:10 < upgrdman_> the transistors on the glass need >3V iirc
2015-09-11T18:57:17 < upgrdman_> like 7.someshit for one of my lcds
2015-09-11T18:58:07 < upgrdman_> that is what the contrast pin or register does
2015-09-11T18:58:15 < Ecco> This is a B&W display
2015-09-11T18:58:18 < upgrdman_> it dicks with the charge pump to adjust that voltage
2015-09-11T18:58:20 < Ecco> I'm not using any backlight
2015-09-11T18:58:21 < upgrdman_> yes exactly
2015-09-11T19:01:18 < mitrax> upgrdman: okay i was under the impression TFTs didn't need a boost circuit, only the backlight part, guess i'm wrong
2015-09-11T19:01:35 < upgrdman_> i learned the hard way :)
2015-09-11T19:01:49 < upgrdman_> "wtf do i need these caps for? i'm not going to populate them"
2015-09-11T19:02:32 < Ecco> Holy shit it's dramatic
2015-09-11T19:02:39 < Ecco> Ok so I fill up the screen with white pixels
2015-09-11T19:02:39 < upgrdman_> fixed? :)
2015-09-11T19:02:44 < Ecco> Nope
2015-09-11T19:02:58 < Ecco> I just added a delay between each pixel
2015-09-11T19:03:02 < Ecco> and the more I add white pixels
2015-09-11T19:03:06 < Ecco> the darker the screen gets !
2015-09-11T19:03:11 < upgrdman_> you could probe the caps to see if the voltage is actually dipping
2015-09-11T19:03:19 < Ecco> Ok let me do just that
2015-09-11T19:03:27 < Ecco> What should I measure exactly
2015-09-11T19:03:28 < Ecco> ?
2015-09-11T19:03:32 < upgrdman_> the voltage
2015-09-11T19:03:39 < Ecco> around the caps?
2015-09-11T19:03:50 < upgrdman_> ya. so there's two of them, right?
2015-09-11T19:04:05 < upgrdman_> measure all four terminals. one will be ~VDD*2.
2015-09-11T19:04:07 < Ecco> there's a bunch actually
2015-09-11T19:04:23 < upgrdman_> schematic?
2015-09-11T19:04:35 < Ecco> Sure
2015-09-11T19:04:58 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/USXWGbm.png
2015-09-11T19:05:48 < upgrdman_> hmm maybe c9
2015-09-11T19:06:11 < Ecco> yes so c9 is ~15V
2015-09-11T19:06:27 < Ecco> 14.5
2015-09-11T19:06:31 < upgrdman_> ok
2015-09-11T19:06:41 < upgrdman_> does it dip as your add pixels
2015-09-11T19:07:32 < Ecco> lemme see
2015-09-11T19:08:47 < Ecco> nah
2015-09-11T19:08:49 < Ecco> it changes
2015-09-11T19:08:58 < Ecco> it starts at ~13V
2015-09-11T19:09:02 < Ecco> nothing dramatic though
2015-09-11T19:09:03 < Ecco> Also
2015-09-11T19:09:07 < Ecco> Ok, let me make a video
2015-09-11T19:09:16  * upgrdman_ waits patiently
2015-09-11T19:09:20 < Ecco> :)
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2015-09-11T19:12:27 < Ecco> https://vid.me/bkWN
2015-09-11T19:13:04 < upgrdman_> hmm
2015-09-11T19:13:16 < upgrdman_> looks like boost voltage is rising, making it blacker
2015-09-11T19:13:21 < upgrdman_> not sure why.
2015-09-11T19:14:01 < upgrdman_> maybe some other pros can chime in
2015-09-11T19:14:53 < Ecco> If I "hotplug" another cap around C9, the displays gets better for a few secs
2015-09-11T19:14:55 < Ecco> and turns darker again
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2015-09-11T19:15:37 < upgrdman_> is there a contrast register or equiv?
2015-09-11T19:15:45 < upgrdman_> try reading it periodically to make sure its constant
2015-09-11T19:16:07 < Ecco> Yes, there's some stuff to set the contrast
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2015-09-11T19:16:49 < Ecco> Hmm yes ok, I'm probably missing something in software
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2015-09-11T19:20:36 < Ecco> Ok, fixed
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2015-09-11T19:20:57 < Ecco> Now I have to understand *why* :-D
2015-09-11T19:21:11 < upgrdman_> what did you change to fix it
2015-09-11T19:21:21 < Ecco> Some stuff in the init sequence
2015-09-11T19:21:32 < Ecco> copy-pastaed from the Chinese sample code
2015-09-11T19:21:39 < upgrdman_> lol
2015-09-11T19:21:47 < Ecco> I decided to roll-out my own init method (I like to understand what my code does)
2015-09-11T19:21:53 < Ecco> apparently, it was missing something
2015-09-11T19:22:08 < Ecco> which isn't that surprising given that the datasheet is very likely not the good one
2015-09-11T19:23:28 < Ecco> Ok, so one command ajusts Vop, the LCD supply voltage
2015-09-11T19:24:06 < Ecco> the next one the LCD Bias
2015-09-11T19:24:10 < Ecco> and the last one the LCD booster
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2015-09-11T19:57:15 < Ecco> Damn this crap has the shittiest pixel format ever
2015-09-11T19:57:31 < Ecco> So it expects 2 pixels / byte
2015-09-11T19:57:38 < Ecco> AAXBBXXXX
2015-09-11T19:57:46 < Ecco> Where Xes are bits it just discards
2015-09-11T19:57:52 < Ecco> AA = pixel 1, BB = pixel 2
2015-09-11T19:57:58 < Ecco> (yes it's 2 bits/pixel)
2015-09-11T19:58:21 < Ecco> (yes I added one too many X at the end)
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2015-09-11T20:05:02 < upgrdman_> does it actually render four shades?
2015-09-11T20:05:08 < upgrdman_> that's kinda neat
2015-09-11T20:05:12 < Ecco> It does
2015-09-11T20:05:43 < Ecco> That is
2015-09-11T20:05:49 < Ecco> *but* the pixel format is awful
2015-09-11T20:05:57 < upgrdman_> agreed
2015-09-11T20:06:18 < Ecco> That pretty much means a framebuffer that is twice as large as needed
2015-09-11T20:06:26 < upgrdman_> i'd prefer xxxxaabb
2015-09-11T20:06:28 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-09-11T20:06:28 < Ecco> (otherwise I can't DMA it)
2015-09-11T20:06:43 < Ecco> well, yes, even that would be better
2015-09-11T20:06:51 < Ecco> or, I don't know… aabbccdd maybe????
2015-09-11T20:06:57 < Tectu> four shades of graz
2015-09-11T20:06:58 < Tectu> gray
2015-09-11T20:07:01 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-11T20:07:03 < upgrdman_> no, thats to convenient
2015-09-11T20:07:30 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-11T20:07:31 < upgrdman_> i do kinda miss monochrome lcds. 8 pixels per byte FTW
2015-09-11T20:07:39 < Ecco> Oh wait
2015-09-11T20:07:44 < Ecco> that display also does B&W
2015-09-11T20:07:53 < Ecco> ... with the same brain-dead pixel format
2015-09-11T20:08:00 < Ecco> where AA and BB can either be 11 or 00
2015-09-11T20:08:06 < upgrdman_> theres no register to change the byte format?
2015-09-11T20:08:11 < Ecco> not that I know of
2015-09-11T20:08:22 < Ecco> but once again, apparently I don't have the right datasheet
2015-09-11T20:08:23 < upgrdman_> like most color lcds let you pack the r/g/b in a few different ways
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2015-09-11T20:08:32 < upgrdman_> k
2015-09-11T20:09:09 < upgrdman_> Tectu, oh ya, from a while ago: that ugfx oscope looks pretty sweet
2015-09-11T20:09:13 < Tectu> upgrdman_, got a new one
2015-09-11T20:09:14 < Tectu>  
2015-09-11T20:09:14 < Tectu> / Don't do anything
2015-09-11T20:09:14 < Tectu> default:
2015-09-11T20:09:14 < Tectu> 	return;
2015-09-11T20:09:14 < Tectu>  
2015-09-11T20:09:23 < Tectu> IRC ate one slash there
2015-09-11T20:09:23 < upgrdman_> :)
2015-09-11T20:09:40 < Tectu> upgrdman_, thanks. I didn´t do any of those scopes
2015-09-11T20:09:55 < upgrdman_> i've seen many if(foo){... return;} else {return;}
2015-09-11T20:10:06 < upgrdman_> for void functions
2015-09-11T20:11:21 < Tectu> upgrdman_, it is more about the comment
2015-09-11T20:11:34 < upgrdman_> k
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2015-09-11T20:31:43 < upgrdman_> i wonder if anyone uses a uart at a speed fast enough to warrany usb3
2015-09-11T20:31:47 < upgrdman_> warrant*
2015-09-11T20:31:58 < upgrdman_> like at 100MBaud :)
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2015-09-11T20:37:47 < Steffanx> im sure there is someone crazy enough to do it, if the possibility was there.
2015-09-11T20:37:54 < Steffanx> *is
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2015-09-11T20:38:38 < upgrdman_> and better use rs232 to ensure EMC failure ;)
2015-09-11T20:38:47 < upgrdman_> rs232 levels
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2015-09-11T21:09:37 < mtbg> there is not much wrong in breaking subroutine flow if it is explicitly visible
2015-09-11T21:09:47 < mtbg> sometimes it is the most intuitive solution
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2015-09-11T21:44:16 < kakimir> how to use this reflow station? just preheat with 100C and then hit 230C ?
2015-09-11T21:44:42 < kakimir> cool thing it cools itself and stops when placed in holder
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2015-09-11T22:05:00 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSThvcVZrbGliSG8/view?usp=sharing wondering how 230V lightbulbs function with 400V partial wave
2015-09-11T22:05:27 < kakimir> will there be enough energy in partial wave to burn wire
2015-09-11T22:05:40 < kakimir> at peak voltage
2015-09-11T22:06:31 < kakimir> Vrms will be max 230V
2015-09-11T22:07:52 < Bundestrojaner> kakimir: wtf is that?
2015-09-11T22:11:28 < kakimir> electric death
2015-09-11T22:12:12 < kakimir> triac drivers and to be dummy loads
2015-09-11T22:14:29 < Bundestrojaner> why not 2 bulbs in series?
2015-09-11T22:15:09 < kakimir> interesting
2015-09-11T22:15:14 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-11T22:16:13 < BrainDamage> incandescent lightbulbs aren't very linear due to the extreme temperature span they go trough
2015-09-11T22:17:11 < kakimir> yes
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2015-09-11T22:18:19 < Bundestrojaner> and as far as i know, more Power -> more Temp -> more Resistance
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2015-09-11T22:31:21 < Bundestrojaner> Will I2C trigger TXIS- or TXE-Interrupts after the last Byte (specified by NBYTES) has been sent?
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2015-09-11T22:42:29 < Fleck> Bundestrojaner: my guess - it will, but, again, debug/check? ;D is that so hard to do?
2015-09-11T22:44:27 < Bundestrojaner> Fleck:i hoped someone would tell me where i can read such things ;)
2015-09-11T22:44:27 < Bundestrojaner> the manual doesn't say a word about it...
2015-09-11T22:44:27 < Bundestrojaner> thx
2015-09-11T22:47:44 < Fleck> Bundestrojaner: usually, all you need to know is in RM :)
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2015-09-11T22:49:39 < Bundestrojaner> Fleck: what means RM?
2015-09-11T22:49:54 < Fleck> Reference Manual
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2015-09-11T22:53:10 < Bundestrojaner> Fleck: ok, that's what i'm reading...
2015-09-11T22:53:10 < Bundestrojaner> it says about TXE: "This bit is set by hardware when the I2Cx_TXDR register is empty. It is cleared when the next data to be sent is written in the I2Cx_TXDR register."
2015-09-11T22:53:29 < Bundestrojaner> does that mean even after the last byte because it's not mentioned as an exception...
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2015-09-11T23:05:52 < Fleck> Bundestrojaner: what's the problem? Not working as expected?
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2015-09-11T23:09:37 < Bundestrojaner> Fleck: it would just be nice to have a more definite manual :)
2015-09-11T23:10:20 < Fleck> yeah, st manuals are "awesome" ;D
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2015-09-11T23:31:25 < karlp> https://i.imgur.com/hxYcM2a.gifv
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2015-09-11T23:34:00 < emeb> lol
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2015-09-11T23:34:17 < Fleck> booring
2015-09-11T23:34:43 < emeb> fun things to do with an STM32F302 -> https://soundcloud.com/emeb/e950-proto-speech-demo
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2015-09-11T23:35:58 < ds2> is that the same one ST demos speech recogonition on?
2015-09-11T23:36:22 < emeb> beats me
2015-09-11T23:37:13 < ds2> that description sounds like something done back on an PC/XT
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2015-09-11T23:46:19 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/km5zuWV.jpg
2015-09-11T23:46:34 < englishman> fff osrry been doing this all day
2015-09-11T23:52:10 < karlp> Bundestrojaner: what would last byte be any different? last byt eis only last to you, hardware doesn't know.
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2015-09-11T23:53:34 < Laurenceb__> pyro tiem http://i.imgur.com/ax1nDyR.gifv
2015-09-11T23:54:10 < Bundestrojaner> karlp: hardware does know: I2C1->CR2->NBYTES
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2015-09-12T01:11:31 < kakimir> reflow station is insane
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2015-09-12T01:20:36 < kakimir> boom boom
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2015-09-12T01:24:52 < Laurenceb__> better quality pyro http://imgur.com/BB3kE3k.gifv
2015-09-12T01:35:00 < upgrdman_> why frame rate so slow
2015-09-12T01:35:10 < jadew> so it pisses us off
2015-09-12T01:35:11 < upgrdman_> i feel like watching a gif on dialup even those it's fully downloaded
2015-09-12T01:35:31 < Laurenceb__> heh
2015-09-12T01:35:32 < upgrdman_> jadew, mission accomplished
2015-09-12T01:35:38 < Laurenceb__> lolz
2015-09-12T01:37:00 < jadew> any of you opensource fans know of an opensource license that prevents spin-offs?
2015-09-12T01:37:19 < emeb> kind of misses the point doesn't it?
2015-09-12T01:37:46 < jadew> well, I'm willing to allow some freedom, but not too much
2015-09-12T01:37:59 < upgrdman_> strings attached tends to piss people off
2015-09-12T01:38:04 < upgrdman_> either share or don't
2015-09-12T01:38:08 < jadew> if I'm making this available, I want all the praise and glory
2015-09-12T01:38:31 < jadew> I don't need contributions
2015-09-12T01:38:45 < upgrdman_> sounds like microsoft's "shared source" type shit
2015-09-12T01:38:55 < emeb> Look upon my works ye mighty and despair!
2015-09-12T01:39:01 < upgrdman_> bbl
2015-09-12T01:39:03 < jadew> upgrdman_, I want to share the project and allow them to make use of it
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2015-09-12T01:39:44 < jadew> but I don't want some marketing type get his hands on it, make it pink and practically steal it from me
2015-09-12T01:40:23 < jadew> seems to happen a lot, because people don't think about this when they decide on the license they really want
2015-09-12T01:42:58 < dos_fan]> MS-RSL is the obvious choice
2015-09-12T01:43:31 < dos_fan]> for some stuff it's good to avoid a gazillion broken forks
2015-09-12T01:44:00 < jadew> I'm not really worried about the broken forks, normally I don't release opensource and when I do, I use MIT
2015-09-12T01:44:14 < dos_fan]> me too
2015-09-12T01:44:17 < jadew> but this is the kind of project that might require constant maintenance for a longer period of time
2015-09-12T01:44:33 < kakimir> that sucks
2015-09-12T01:44:34 < dos_fan]> generally those who will abuse a license don't give a shit anyway
2015-09-12T01:44:36 < jadew> and I'd hate it if a year later some faggot puts another name on it and makes it his
2015-09-12T01:44:44 < dos_fan]> so really, it doesn't matter what you license it under
2015-09-12T01:45:29 < dos_fan]> this was my experience anyway with a popular project released under ms-rsl
2015-09-12T01:46:16 < jadew> interesting licenses
2015-09-12T01:46:36 < jadew> I guess I need one where the user can modify the code for his own use but can't redistribute modifications
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2015-09-12T01:52:11 < artag> you don't have to use an existing license. it just makes life easier because people already (allegedly) understand the restrictions. If you want to make a license that allows reuse but not redistribution, just write it up
2015-09-12T01:52:45 < Roklobsta> but who will enforce it?  like anything - patents, copyright, trademarks etc unless you front up and defend your turf ($$$$) you'd get run roughshod over.
2015-09-12T01:52:52 < jadew> I suppose that's what I have to do
2015-09-12T01:52:53 < artag> Be aware that it pretty much makes your code useless for anything except commercial products though
2015-09-12T01:53:11 < artag> why would anyone but you enforce your licence ?
2015-09-12T01:53:30 < Roklobsta> i'm saying it's not automatic and it will usually cost money.
2015-09-12T01:53:34 < jadew> artag, why only for commercial products?
2015-09-12T01:53:55 < jadew> it's a framework, so people can write whatever they want using it
2015-09-12T01:54:09 < jadew> as long as they don't change it/rename it/pretend it's theirs
2015-09-12T01:54:13 < upgrdman> sounds super gay
2015-09-12T01:54:34 < dos_fan]> uh
2015-09-12T01:54:39 < jadew> well, they can change it, but not pretend it's theirs
2015-09-12T01:54:41 < jadew> upgrdman, why?
2015-09-12T01:54:49 < upgrdman> im just trolling
2015-09-12T01:54:58 < upgrdman> it's nice enough that you plan to share
2015-09-12T01:55:02 < artag> because that's what we see in practice. atmel  and microchip offer usb and ip stacks but you can't use them in an opensource product because they have to be refetched from the author, not included with other sources
2015-09-12T01:55:03 < dos_fan]> there are times when you want to make source available but only for an insight into something
2015-09-12T01:55:17 < artag> too much trouble, nobody cares, there are better options
2015-09-12T01:55:31 < upgrdman> but seriously, if you dont want people to fuck with your code, keep it closed. once it's out, people wont pay attention to your requests
2015-09-12T01:55:49 < dos_fan]> upgrdman: definitely
2015-09-12T01:56:10 < jadew> upgrdman, I'm not really worried about the minor fork
2015-09-12T01:56:35 < upgrdman> what about a "major" fork? wtf are you going to do? hire a laywer and wage a lawsuit? go broke trying.
2015-09-12T01:56:36 < dos_fan]> people just slap the GPL on it and stick it on gayhub
2015-09-12T01:56:38 < artag> commercially you can use them, but if you do, you've locked yourself in. That's why you get companies who say they want to offer sources, but can't because of someone else's IP that they used when they built it
2015-09-12T01:56:42 < artag> it's a dead end
2015-09-12T01:57:43 < jadew> I guess I can see the problem
2015-09-12T01:58:32 < artag> rename it, pretend it's theirs, sure, i see your point. but all the open source stuff I've ever looked at seems to have the original author credited
2015-09-12T01:59:09 < jadew> that means very little when you don't have control over the project anymore
2015-09-12T01:59:12 < artag> and I have no use for code I can't change. I might as well use a closed source one, I've got no benefit except I can see how it works
2015-09-12T01:59:32 < jadew> that's the thing, I have no problem against changing
2015-09-12T01:59:52 < jadew> I have a problem against changing and releasing it as something new
2015-09-12T02:00:26 < jadew> but it's kinda hard to prohibit precisely that, without leaving loopholes
2015-09-12T02:00:28 < Roklobsta> if you care about control, don't opensource it.  release binaries, lib/dll and headers only
2015-09-12T02:01:21 < artag> ok. but here's a thing. every time I make something with arduino, I find the libraries deficient. not just buggy (lets assume your code has no bugs) but doesn't do something I need it to do - like the early i2c code that couldn't clock-stretch.
2015-09-12T02:01:52 < artag> So I need to extend it before it's any use to me. And now I can't ship sources any more, because they're not identical to yours
2015-09-12T02:02:28 < jadew> artag, you can fork and generate a pull request
2015-09-12T02:02:41 < jadew> artag, yes, that's the loophole
2015-09-12T02:02:45 < artag> I could maybe work around it, or layer an extra feature. But I'll probably look elsewhere unless it's *amazing*
2015-09-12T02:02:47 < jadew> because my intention would be to allow that
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2015-09-12T02:03:03 < jadew> but it's obvious that it would get exploited
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2015-09-12T02:03:13 < jadew> and you'd have releases of the thing, inside a shell project
2015-09-12T02:03:36 < dos_fan]> the license is only good to wave around in front of hosting providers.  Otherwise people will do what they like tbh
2015-09-12T02:03:51 < artag> maybe you could make it work, if youy respond well to pull requests. some people do, especially when the code is young and they care about it. But mostly it gets forgotten, or the author is too busy etc.
2015-09-12T02:04:10 < jadew> dos_fan], I know, but I'd rather have a satisfactory license to begin with
2015-09-12T02:04:27 < artag> in that case, for myself, I'd rather it was forked and politely kept my name in it. But the new additions deserve credit too
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2015-09-12T02:04:51 < dos_fan]> just speaking from my experience.  we tried this model and it failed badly.  source was revoked after 2 years
2015-09-12T02:05:08 < jadew> dos_fan], which model?
2015-09-12T02:05:38 < dos_fan]> open source with no redistribution rights
2015-09-12T02:05:55 < jadew> I see
2015-09-12T02:06:01 < artag> what sort of product, dos_fan] ?
2015-09-12T02:06:28 < dos_fan]> it is software defined radio application
2015-09-12T02:06:51 < artag> not the android one ?
2015-09-12T02:06:54 < dos_fan]> it has an acceptable plugin model which we encourage instead
2015-09-12T02:06:58 < dos_fan]> no
2015-09-12T02:07:35 < artag> i recall that had some sort of licensing weirdness due to being based on some initial open source code it used
2015-09-12T02:08:35 < dos_fan]> I believe it initially had problems with librtlsdr
2015-09-12T02:08:40 < artag> so what happened ? did you find it elsewhere with your license and attribution removed ?
2015-09-12T02:09:07 < dos_fan]> people attempted to re license it under GPL amongst many other things
2015-09-12T02:09:43 < dos_fan]> and just flat out ignored the license in general
2015-09-12T02:10:06 < dos_fan]> tbh our only intention was to avoid fragmentation of the code base
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2015-09-12T02:10:15 < artag> what did you hope would happen ?
2015-09-12T02:10:32 < Bundestrojaner> jadew: if a marketing type steals the project, he will release it proprietary without source...
2015-09-12T02:10:32 < Bundestrojaner> those guys give a shit about licenses anyway
2015-09-12T02:10:48 < Roklobsta> artag: he hoped the russians would obery copyright for once.
2015-09-12T02:10:50 < Bundestrojaner> and how do you want to prove that?
2015-09-12T02:11:04 < artag> :) I meant in the best case
2015-09-12T02:11:17 < dos_fan]> artsy: people could play a bit with the source? learn and have some fun while doing it?
2015-09-12T02:12:20 < artag> reasonable. but if someone wanted to build something else on top of it, how would it work ?
2015-09-12T02:12:21 < jadew> Bundestrojaner, luckly it's not a compiled language
2015-09-12T02:12:27 < dos_fan]> sorry wrong highlight :)
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2015-09-12T02:12:53 < dos_fan]> it has public plugin interfaces that pretty much let you do anything ...
2015-09-12T02:13:25 < jadew> I recently had to choose a PHP frameowrk for work and found that all of them to suck in one way or another, decided to write my own in my spare time and the result is just great
2015-09-12T02:14:24 < jadew> figured I would share it, but as I was saying earlier, I'm not usually doing opensource so I find it hard to let go of code that I think it has any sort of value
2015-09-12T02:17:02 < artag> i tend to feel that if I could write it, anyone could. So why sweat it ? :)
2015-09-12T02:18:22 < Bundestrojaner> jadew: as upgrdman already said, if you have a license, you also have to enforce it.
2015-09-12T02:19:08 < jadew> Bundestrojaner, not really a problem
2015-09-12T02:19:11 < Bundestrojaner> and that won't work in countries in Asia...
2015-09-12T02:19:18 < jadew> that's true
2015-09-12T02:19:50 < jadew> but again, it's better having a license that reflects your intentions than not
2015-09-12T02:20:02 < Bundestrojaner> even the content mafia fails to enforce their rights. and they have not only a legion of lawyers, they even buy the politicians...
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2015-09-12T02:26:06 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWWprYlBlYU1WOVk/view?usp=sharing first ready DTE board
2015-09-12T02:27:50 < kakimir> to be connected with twisted pairs to raspi
2015-09-12T02:28:07 < kakimir> fml
2015-09-12T02:32:39 < Roklobsta> looks like you spilled some soy sauce on it
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2015-09-12T02:46:39 < Roklobsta> kakimir: TP shoudl be find for rs232 speeds
2015-09-12T02:46:54 < Roklobsta> is that a level shifter?
2015-09-12T02:47:25 < Roklobsta> why not just use a $3 CH340 USB adapter?
2015-09-12T02:47:49 < Roklobsta> i got 2 in the mail yesterday delivered for $10
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2015-09-12T03:15:22 < kakimir> TP?
2015-09-12T03:16:04 < Roklobsta> tp??
2015-09-12T03:17:10 < kakimir> ^
2015-09-12T03:17:53 < Roklobsta> ah yes in grok now
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2015-09-12T03:21:56 < kakimir> what is tp
2015-09-12T03:24:21 < kakimir> that chip is so called rs232 tranceiver
2015-09-12T03:27:50 < kakimir> tp = toilet paper
2015-09-12T03:28:05 < Roklobsta> yes ok, how long is the twisted pair and how fast are the speeds?  you might be better using rs422?.....
2015-09-12T03:28:24 < kakimir> 15cm
2015-09-12T03:28:53 < Roklobsta> lol ok.
2015-09-12T03:29:54 < kakimir> chip is capable to 1Mbaud so that is it
2015-09-12T03:31:03 < kakimir> no need for 1M
2015-09-12T03:32:48 < kakimir> 115200 or so should be fine
2015-09-12T03:33:04 < kakimir> or 230400
2015-09-12T03:39:02 < PeterM> kakimir, how are you running it over twisted pair?
2015-09-12T03:39:58 < kakimir> 4 pairs for signals
2015-09-12T03:40:03 < kakimir> 1 pair for power
2015-09-12T03:40:25 < PeterM> ok, so you have a differential driver and reciever on booth ends?
2015-09-12T03:40:32 < kakimir> no way
2015-09-12T03:40:39 < kakimir> just ground
2015-09-12T03:41:00 < PeterM> ermmm...
2015-09-12T03:41:47 < PeterM> thats not really how it works/meant to work
2015-09-12T03:41:50 < kakimir> there is no point?=
2015-09-12T03:41:55 < PeterM> yeah
2015-09-12T03:42:00 < kakimir> just understood it :)
2015-09-12T03:42:11 < PeterM> i mean, it helps noise immunity by providing a sort of shield
2015-09-12T03:42:29 < PeterM> but then you should run shielded rather than twisted pair
2015-09-12T03:43:09 < kakimir> it's more like minimizing signal circuit loop area
2015-09-12T03:44:31 < Roklobsta> time for some sun.
2015-09-12T03:44:51 < kakimir> pair twisting is just for mechanical solution
2015-09-12T03:45:34 < kakimir> seperate lines tend to stay seperate
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2015-09-12T04:52:20 < upgrdman> nice sign   http://i.imgur.com/mnW14Qc.jpg
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2015-09-12T05:02:17 < jadew> 50 minutes to etch a board... someone sold me shit ferric chloride
2015-09-12T05:03:41 < jadew> upgrdman, yeah, a whole half an hour
2015-09-12T05:03:51 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-12T05:04:05 < upgrdman> i use HCl + H2O2
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2015-09-12T05:04:20 < upgrdman> i can etch my boards as fast as i want to. like, dangerously fast.
2015-09-12T05:04:24 < jadew> I tried to switch to that too, but didn't have good results
2015-09-12T05:04:30 < jadew> how fast?
2015-09-12T05:04:31 < upgrdman> 35% h2o2 is scary shit.
2015-09-12T05:04:41 < jadew> I only have 3%
2015-09-12T05:04:42 < upgrdman> <2 seconds
2015-09-12T05:04:46 < upgrdman> seriously scary
2015-09-12T05:04:47 < jadew> no way
2015-09-12T05:04:59 < upgrdman> lemme find a video of some fag that did it on youtube
2015-09-12T05:05:28 < upgrdman> if you do equal parts of HCl and H2O2, it's super fast if you use high purity HCL and H2O2
2015-09-12T05:05:46 < upgrdman> i do 1:1:3    hcl:h2o2:h2o
2015-09-12T05:05:51 < upgrdman> and it takes like 1 minute
2015-09-12T05:05:54 < upgrdman> if even
2015-09-12T05:06:01 < jadew> holly crap
2015-09-12T05:06:03 < upgrdman> for 1oz copper
2015-09-12T05:06:11 < jadew> that would be amazing
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2015-09-12T05:06:28 < jadew> I get borred checking on it while its etching
2015-09-12T05:06:30 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOwPPoiRBe4
2015-09-12T05:06:36 < jadew> *it's
2015-09-12T05:06:54 < upgrdman> also, hcl/h2o2 doesnt need to be shaken up during etching. just let it sit until it stop bubbling. done.
2015-09-12T05:07:20 < jadew> man, that looks great
2015-09-12T05:07:24 < jadew> how dangerous is it?
2015-09-12T05:07:40 < upgrdman> smells like chlorine gas
2015-09-12T05:07:47 < upgrdman> so uh, be sure to huff it
2015-09-12T05:07:59 < upgrdman> i have no backyard or patio :(
2015-09-12T05:08:09 < jadew> I do my etching in the bathroom
2015-09-12T05:08:18 < upgrdman> when i tried undiluted and tossed in a board... i was honestly scared for my safety.
2015-09-12T05:08:27 < jadew> lol
2015-09-12T05:09:26 < upgrdman> so like $13 for a gallon of HCl and like $43 for a gallon of 35% H2O2... is about a lifetime supply
2015-09-12T05:09:57 < jadew> if you etch a lot
2015-09-12T05:10:07 < jadew> I'd probably end up sharing most of it
2015-09-12T05:10:58 < jadew> I'll give it a try, I'll ask my wife to get me some
2015-09-12T05:12:32 < upgrdman> i amazoned the h2o2
2015-09-12T05:12:51 < jadew> yeah, I haven't saw anything > 3%
2015-09-12T05:13:03 < jadew> so I don't think I'll be able to find it myself
2015-09-12T05:13:21 < upgrdman> look harder
2015-09-12T05:13:22 < upgrdman> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=hydrogen+peroxide+35
2015-09-12T05:13:56 < jadew> upgrdman, now try that on amazon.co.uk
2015-09-12T05:14:01 < jadew> (I'm in europe)
2015-09-12T05:14:08 < upgrdman> oh... ya it sucks to be european
2015-09-12T05:14:09 < upgrdman> j/k
2015-09-12T05:14:19 < jadew> heh, kinda does in some regards
2015-09-12T05:17:57 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/uWkIS6W.gifv
2015-09-12T05:19:01 < jadew> the first instinct was to turn off the camera not to go wipe her ass
2015-09-12T05:19:47 < jadew> at first I thought she's a dude
2015-09-12T05:19:54 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-12T05:20:00 < upgrdman> so much america in this gif:  http://i.imgur.com/jeszXPb.gifv
2015-09-12T05:20:41 < jadew> lol
2015-09-12T05:20:50 < emeb_mac> fat, stupid, gun. yep
2015-09-12T05:23:02 < jadew> now I wish I had a silent drilling machine
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2015-09-12T05:23:22 < jadew> I always etch during the night, but once the etching is done, I can't drill
2015-09-12T05:23:40 < Yoduza> is ST Link V2 can be used for ARM7 ?
2015-09-12T05:30:47 < upgrdman> jadew, i never drill. SMD is a gift, not a problem.
2015-09-12T05:30:57 < upgrdman> i even surfance mount PTH stuff
2015-09-12T05:31:18 < jadew> upgrdman, I know, I avoid DIP stuff too whenever possible but this board simply needed it
2015-09-12T05:31:38 < upgrdman> your can surface mount DIPs
2015-09-12T05:31:40 < jadew> who posted this? http://www.bestgifever.com/data/images/2014/10/putting-on-shorts-with-an-audience.gif
2015-09-12T05:31:53 < jadew> ah, nvm I found it myself
2015-09-12T05:32:19 < jadew> upgrdman, by bending the pins?
2015-09-12T05:32:30 < upgrdman> can, but dont need to
2015-09-12T05:32:37 < upgrdman> just sit it on big pads. solder.
2015-09-12T05:32:45 < upgrdman> here's some PTH headers i surface mounted:
2015-09-12T05:33:24 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2013-06-01_PCB_Design_and_Etching/step11.jpg
2015-09-12T05:34:04 < jadew> nice breakoutboard
2015-09-12T05:34:10 < jadew> + ' '
2015-09-12T05:34:18 < upgrdman> AND if you use big pads like that, they are VERY strong
2015-09-12T05:34:44 < upgrdman> i had that board on my segway robot, drove it off my desk repeatedly, danged by wires, just bent some pins
2015-09-12T05:34:48 < upgrdman> never ripped a pad
2015-09-12T05:34:52 < kakimir> dat symmetry
2015-09-12T05:35:16 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/robot_pre_pcb.jpg
2015-09-12T05:35:17 < jadew> yeah, it looks great
2015-09-12T05:35:22 < upgrdman> thx
2015-09-12T05:37:06 < jadew> what does that robot do? stand on two wheels?
2015-09-12T05:37:23 < kakimir> jerks around
2015-09-12T05:37:31 < jadew> best kind of robots
2015-09-12T05:38:07 < upgrdman> ya pretty much
2015-09-12T05:38:10 < upgrdman> videos here:
2015-09-12T05:38:24 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-05-18_Balancing_Robot/
2015-09-12T05:39:13 < jadew> that's pretty cool
2015-09-12T05:39:32 < jadew> next do it on one :P
2015-09-12T05:39:35 < kakimir> sweet remote
2015-09-12T05:40:17 < jadew> that's really nice
2015-09-12T05:40:30 < jadew> how much current is it using when idle?
2015-09-12T05:41:44 < kakimir> let's take guesses?
2015-09-12T05:41:56 < upgrdman> idle balancing, or no motor power?
2015-09-12T05:42:03 < jadew> idle balancing
2015-09-12T05:42:28 < kakimir> there is some motor power
2015-09-12T05:42:48 < upgrdman> didn't measure. guessing 0.5-1 amp average, but spikes
2015-09-12T05:42:50 < jadew> I suppose it has to fire those motors very fast
2015-09-12T05:43:00 < jadew> yeah
2015-09-12T05:43:00 < upgrdman> with no motors, it was 75.5mA     http://www.farrellf.com/temp/new_meter.jpg
2015-09-12T05:43:15 < kakimir> it does funny jerkin motions
2015-09-12T05:43:36 < jadew> I've seen your bench before, I still like your scope :P
2015-09-12T05:43:52 < upgrdman> thx
2015-09-12T05:43:52 < jadew> and I still want one like that
2015-09-12T05:44:04 < upgrdman> kakimir, ya. low res rotary encoders on the hweels
2015-09-12T05:44:16 < upgrdman> i bought some 600 pulse/rev encoders off of ebay a month ago
2015-09-12T05:44:22 < upgrdman> so im covered for new projects
2015-09-12T05:44:34 < jadew> how much per pcs?
2015-09-12T05:44:39 < upgrdman> $14
2015-09-12T05:44:45 < emeb_mac> wow nice
2015-09-12T05:44:45 < upgrdman> <3 china
2015-09-12T05:44:52 < jadew> yeah, not bad
2015-09-12T05:44:57 < emeb_mac> got linky?
2015-09-12T05:45:02  * emeb_mac is in the market
2015-09-12T05:45:06 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, lemme check
2015-09-12T05:46:05 < upgrdman> $14.72 shipped
2015-09-12T05:46:06 < upgrdman> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Encoder-600P-R-Incremental-Rotary-Encoder-AB-2-phase-6mm-Shaft-5V-24V-coupling-/321160456974?hash=item4ac6a7ab0e
2015-09-12T05:46:23 < upgrdman> kinda big, but for the price i cant bitch
2015-09-12T05:46:58 < emeb_mac> cool - thx
2015-09-12T05:47:07 < emeb_mac> 600 ppr is pretty fine
2015-09-12T05:47:08 < upgrdman> 2000 pulse for $29  http://www.ebay.com/itm/dc-12v-OMRON-Rotary-Encoder-E6B2-CWZ6C-2000P-R-5V-24v-reversible-/321429315582?hash=item4ad6ae1ffe
2015-09-12T05:47:32 < jadew> added to my collection
2015-09-12T05:47:38 < upgrdman> ya. i wanted >500. digikey/mouser wanted >$50 for first-world encoders
2015-09-12T05:48:23 < upgrdman> bourns has some small 500 or 512 pulse encoders for like $55
2015-09-12T05:48:29 < upgrdman> the size of a potentiometer
2015-09-12T05:48:34 < upgrdman> or just a tad bigger
2015-09-12T05:49:47 < jadew> I'm off to bed, night
2015-09-12T05:50:06 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, FWIW those 600 pulse encoders i got had no play in the shaft, and had just a very slight amount of friction.
2015-09-12T05:50:06 < kakimir> what you need that for?
2015-09-12T05:50:13 < upgrdman> future projects
2015-09-12T05:50:21 < upgrdman> as in, no idea :)
2015-09-12T05:50:25 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: perfect
2015-09-12T05:50:34 < upgrdman> i kinda want to make a cubli type of robot
2015-09-12T05:50:37 < emeb_mac> I want it as a tuning knob for an SDR project
2015-09-12T05:50:51 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, i was also gonna do that, for my servo tester.
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2015-09-12T05:51:03 < emeb_mac> Need to get a nice massive knob so it can spin w/ some inertia
2015-09-12T05:51:08 < kakimir> can't you make it work even without encoders?
2015-09-12T05:51:08 < upgrdman> but it's too big for my servo tester
2015-09-12T05:51:34 < upgrdman> kakimir, of course. it works for years with a touchscreen, and recently added a pot
2015-09-12T05:52:11 < upgrdman> but when i use it as a PWM generator, i can enter 32 bit numbers. that's a bitch with a touchscreen, and a pot + 12bit adc isn't anywhere near good enough
2015-09-12T05:52:36 < upgrdman> but with a 600 pulse encoder, it can be great.
2015-09-12T05:52:59 < upgrdman> and with 600 pulses / rev, you can due software velocity and it actually looks smooth because you have enough data points
2015-09-12T05:55:39 < emeb_mac> bought
2015-09-12T05:55:46 < upgrdman> :)
2015-09-12T05:55:49 < emeb_mac> now wait 3wks
2015-09-12T05:55:59 < upgrdman> took about 1 week to so cal
2015-09-12T05:56:05 < emeb_mac> ah - not bad
2015-09-12T05:56:14 < emeb_mac> ebay .cn always overestimates time
2015-09-12T05:56:25 < upgrdman> well it can be really hit and miss too
2015-09-12T05:56:32 < kakimir> next thing it brings you beer from fridge
2015-09-12T05:56:43 < upgrdman> i had someone ship me some bluetooth modules from shenzhen and it was at my door in 48 hours.
2015-09-12T05:56:54 < emeb_mac> optical - should work nicely with the STM32 2-phase timer encoder interface
2015-09-12T05:56:55 < upgrdman> and other ship stuff from shenzhen and it's 5 weeks
2015-09-12T05:57:21 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, ya. open drain outputs, so works with many logic levels too
2015-09-12T05:57:26 < upgrdman> but needs 5+V for VDD
2015-09-12T05:57:41 < emeb_mac> orly? nuisance, but workable.
2015-09-12T05:58:13 < upgrdman> i didnt try lower. i will. gimme a minute.
2015-09-12T05:58:20 < upgrdman> but rated for 5-24V
2015-09-12T05:58:38 < emeb_mac> might work with 3.3v but likely marginal
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2015-09-12T06:24:29 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, at 4v it gets flakey, dies at 3.5v            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVdlmwftXtg
2015-09-12T06:25:13 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: thx - shouldn't be a problem. I've got 5V available for the OLED display in this app anyway.
2015-09-12T06:25:44 < upgrdman> cool
2015-09-12T06:32:10 < upgrdman> i wonder what would happen if i went to a wal mart and bought a pregnancy test kit, some coat hangers, and a shop vac.
2015-09-12T06:35:04 < ReadError> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=2742916
2015-09-12T06:35:19 < ReadError> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=2742915
2015-09-12T06:35:31 < upgrdman> "You are not authorized to access this page." for both
2015-09-12T06:36:20 < ReadError> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=jKVoClJTgkOIbtFzfEdF7Q%3D%3D&fcc_id=2AE23-ZANO1
2015-09-12T06:36:21 < ReadError> work?
2015-09-12T06:37:02 < ReadError> it doesnt make any sense
2015-09-12T06:37:08 < ReadError> everything mentions 915 ?
2015-09-12T06:37:10 < ReadError> but its wifi
2015-09-12T06:37:37 < ReadError> maybe the wifi doesnt need cert since they used a module
2015-09-12T06:38:52 < upgrdman> whats the array? IR LEDs?
2015-09-12T06:39:26 < ReadError> yea
2015-09-12T06:39:33 < ReadError> oh no
2015-09-12T06:39:37 < ReadError> regular leds
2015-09-12T06:41:20 < upgrdman> probably improved the aerodynamics too /sarc
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2015-09-12T06:46:31 < PeterM> wait... the motors/props are only supported by tose thin pcb sections?
2015-09-12T06:46:56 < upgrdman> PeterM, should be fine. very common for little quads
2015-09-12T06:47:18 < upgrdman> here's mine little quad: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/quadcopter.jpg
2015-09-12T06:47:26 < upgrdman> not FPV and gay, but still fun
2015-09-12T06:47:45 < PeterM> those sections of pcb look much bigger though
2015-09-12T06:47:52 < PeterM> maybe 2x the size
2015-09-12T06:49:10 < upgrdman> and theyre way overkill
2015-09-12T06:49:24 < upgrdman> crashed many times. not even a hint of delamination or cracking
2015-09-12T06:50:27 < PeterM> i guess
2015-09-12T06:50:53 < upgrdman> from r/macsetups:  http://imgur.com/Cxy9v98 ... hand lotion and paper towels on his desk. lol.
2015-09-12T06:50:54 < PeterM> better than accidentally opening a door and swatting it and having the arm break off though
2015-09-12T06:51:18 < PeterM> and tissues
2015-09-12T06:54:22 < PeterM> that room does not look liek a guys room though
2015-09-12T06:55:21 < upgrdman> oh here. just noticed title "13 year old sister Mac + Minecraft Setup"
2015-09-12T06:55:28 < upgrdman> *oh heh
2015-09-12T06:55:50 < PeterM> still wtf
2015-09-12T06:56:19 < PeterM> i mean, ive got paper towel on my desk but thats for cheaning/drying pcbs, no hand lotion or tissues though
2015-09-12T06:56:34 < ReadError> I have kimwipes
2015-09-12T06:56:40 < ReadError> thats how you know I do science!
2015-09-12T06:57:40 < PeterM> ive got a hakko fa-430, thats how you know i don't want to die
2015-09-12T07:00:42 < upgrdman> dat signed overflow   http://imgur.com/gallery/NEiEuIh/new
2015-09-12T07:01:50 < PeterM> i dunno why but it reminds me of the classic http://i.imgur.com/RmfbEsZ.jpg
2015-09-12T07:04:15 < upgrdman> :)
2015-09-12T07:04:20 < upgrdman> little bobby drop tables
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2015-09-12T07:25:41 < upgrdman> sup2com
2015-09-12T07:26:03 < upgrdman> just watch some bulgarian missle intercept test
2015-09-12T07:26:18 < upgrdman> http://gfycat.com/DarkOrderlyIlladopsis
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2015-09-12T07:28:05 < upgrdman> i see you know follor r/wtf too :)
2015-09-12T07:32:01 < upgrdman> from https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryGfys/comments/3klba0/%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0_2015_bulgarian_sams/
2015-09-12T07:32:20 < upgrdman> maybe the internet lied to me.
2015-09-12T07:32:52 < upgrdman> prolly bulgarians firing soviet stuff :)
2015-09-12T07:33:02 < upgrdman> ya
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2015-09-12T07:34:12 < upgrdman> that brings a smile to my face. thanks,
2015-09-12T07:36:03 < upgrdman> lol did his gun jam?
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2015-09-12T07:36:39 < upgrdman> and missed at point blank
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2015-09-12T07:37:56 < upgrdman> *nods*
2015-09-12T07:38:22 < upgrdman> he needs to play more hitman simulator 2013
2015-09-12T07:40:41 < upgrdman> god damn it. im getting impatient waiting for google and microsoft to show off their upcoming shit. i want a new smartphone and tablet.
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2015-09-12T07:40:55 < upgrdman> i hope the dickface pro 4 is good
2015-09-12T07:41:14 < upgrdman> cause the ifag pro + pencil seems underwhelming
2015-09-12T07:42:03 < upgrdman> and the new dixus6 better be good
2015-09-12T07:42:33 < upgrdman> but the leaked photos look ugly :(
2015-09-12T07:46:37 < PeterM> upgrdman, so much hope http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g4_pro-7305.php
2015-09-12T07:48:33 < upgrdman> ya the g4 pro is super tempting. i just wonder what the price is.
2015-09-12T07:48:42 < upgrdman> i buy outright. fuck contracts.
2015-09-12T07:49:47 < upgrdman> any idea how hostile LG is? like, so they lock their bootloaders, etc?
2015-09-12T07:50:07 < upgrdman> i have a dixus4 by lg, but being a dixus is very open
2015-09-12T08:01:59 < upgrdman> scary crossfire
2015-09-12T08:02:45 < upgrdman> ?
2015-09-12T08:03:47 < upgrdman> but still too close for comfort
2015-09-12T08:08:11 < upgrdman> :)
2015-09-12T08:08:26 < upgrdman> if that was usa and dogs would be shot :(
2015-09-12T08:08:30 < upgrdman> s/and/all
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2015-09-12T08:13:32 < upgrdman> that was funny for like 10 seconds
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2015-09-12T08:14:51 < upgrdman> 30 seconds then i got bored
2015-09-12T08:18:26 < upgrdman> those russian LGBTs?
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2015-09-12T10:23:12 < upgrdman> no chatz :(
2015-09-12T10:25:26 < PeterM> [14:49] <upgrdman> any idea how hostile LG is? like, so they lock their bootloaders, etc? they lock bootloaders but can unlock, so you can flash custom kernels etc
2015-09-12T10:25:45 < upgrdman> cool
2015-09-12T10:25:59 < upgrdman> easy to unlock?
2015-09-12T10:26:06 < PeterM> superdooper
2015-09-12T10:26:09 < upgrdman> k
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2015-09-12T10:31:03 < upgrdman> i remembered that my low esr caps arrived a while ago. time for more induction heater shenanigans:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJZInIfLHPs
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2015-09-12T10:51:03 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/induction_heater_revE.jpg
2015-09-12T10:54:41 < zyp> heh
2015-09-12T10:54:52 < Ecco> Oh so apparently
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2015-09-12T10:54:59 < Ecco> the DMA in STM32F4 has a "data packing" feature
2015-09-12T10:55:00 < ReadError> is dongs off sulking that zano got its FCC stuff?
2015-09-12T10:55:29 < Ecco> I wonder if it can deal with that crappy pixel format my LCD panel requires
2015-09-12T10:59:05 < zyp> probably not
2015-09-12T10:59:46 < zyp> the data packing stuff is just for handling hardware registers that requires specific read sizes and stuff
2015-09-12T10:59:58 < zyp> (or write sizes)
2015-09-12T11:01:42 < Ecco> ok!
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2015-09-12T11:25:39 < PeterM> upgrdman, i love your 1 watt resistors
2015-09-12T11:26:11 < upgrdman> :)
2015-09-12T11:26:29 < PeterM> i think we've all done it at some stage
2015-09-12T11:26:44 < upgrdman> gotta find some way to use up my old collection of PTH passives
2015-09-12T11:28:16 < PeterM> yeah, i basically only use th passives for bodges or testing/substitutiuon
2015-09-12T11:33:11 < PeterM> im curious why you didn't connect your coil directly, and you used the other bits of tubing?
2015-09-12T11:37:33 < upgrdman> like why have the long copper tube going to the transistors?
2015-09-12T11:37:41 < upgrdman> two reasons
2015-09-12T11:38:09 < upgrdman> most importantly: weight balance. so it could sit in some tupperware and not tip over
2015-09-12T11:38:48 < upgrdman> and i needed the long ass copper tube so it would be submerged in water at the bottom, where the caps are
2015-09-12T11:39:09 < upgrdman> even with low ESR caps, 30A of ripple current gets them hot enough to boil water :)
2015-09-12T11:39:45 < upgrdman> this is what happens if the caps are not water cooled: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/burned_mlcc_capacitor_taiyo_yuden_UMK325C7106MM-T_50V_10uF.jpg
2015-09-12T11:40:08 < upgrdman> which looked like this http://www.farrellf.com/temp/induction_heater_revC.jpg
2015-09-12T11:40:48 < PeterM> i meant somewhere halfway between the two
2015-09-12T11:41:12 < upgrdman> ? the red wire?
2015-09-12T11:42:17 < upgrdman> oh nm. ya thats so the coil reached out of the tupperware :)
2015-09-12T11:42:35 < PeterM> Ahhhhhh
2015-09-12T11:42:52 < upgrdman> here's an older video showing how i use it
2015-09-12T11:43:02 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHv33XZ9xDo
2015-09-12T11:43:12 < PeterM> 2 secs upgrdman i think i might have something useful for you
2015-09-12T11:43:22 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-12T11:47:10 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/5US3nWe.jpg you could use this for your fets
2015-09-12T11:47:21 < PeterM> i have one spare, bnib
2015-09-12T11:49:47 < PeterM> its solid copper (aside from acetal top on it), so you could easily cool your fets, and you could possibly tie it to one side of the coil and solder the caps to it with a torch or something to keep the caps super chill
2015-09-12T11:50:20 < upgrdman> thanks but i have tons of heatsinks laying around
2015-09-12T11:50:33 < upgrdman> like a few cubic feet worth
2015-09-12T11:51:09 < PeterM> fair enough - waterblocks are a little rarer than heatsinks though :P
2015-09-12T11:51:46 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-12T11:51:59 < upgrdman> wtf... jumbo tweezers. lol  http://www.amazon.com/Learning-Resources-Jumbo-Tweezers-Set/dp/B00361NV88/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1442047771&sr=8-2&keywords=plastic+tweezers
2015-09-12T11:52:57 < PeterM> jumbo tweezers... they're more like hand clamps or some shit
2015-09-12T11:54:12 < PeterM> ive got some pumps and shit sitting around too
2015-09-12T11:54:19 < PeterM> probably not very useful
2015-09-12T11:54:40 < upgrdman> just found an $8 pump on ebay that is supposed to do 2x GPM
2015-09-12T11:54:53 < upgrdman> and as luck haves it, free same day shipping via prime
2015-09-12T11:54:59 < upgrdman> so yay for me
2015-09-12T11:59:10 < Sync> upgrdman: get yourself a celem capacitor and get away from that mlcc hackery
2015-09-12T11:59:19 < PeterM> look into the liang ddc pumps, they can do 6~ gpm,m high ish pressure and good mtbf
2015-09-12T11:59:55 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-12T12:04:55 < upgrdman> Sync, dat price :(  im just doing this for fun. cant justify $200+ in caps
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2015-09-12T12:14:51 < Sync> pfff
2015-09-12T12:14:56 < Sync> gotta pay to play
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2015-09-12T12:35:58 < karlp> Roklobsta: you're insane _choosing_ to buy ch340 dongles :)
2015-09-12T12:36:58 < Roklobsta> YOLO
2015-09-12T12:37:47 < Roklobsta> It's just for a crummy modem.  Anything that needs reliability I spend 10x and get FTDI
2015-09-12T12:38:22 < Roklobsta> i am sure what i got is a clone of a clone.
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2015-09-12T12:46:17 < PeterM> even the cp2104 is a decent solution, esp compared to ch340
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2015-09-12T12:49:58 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CJMCU-CP2102-USB-To-TTL-Serial-Module-UART-STC-Downloader-For-Arduino/32413183573.html
2015-09-12T12:50:02 < ReadError> those are nice for the price
2015-09-12T12:50:10 < ReadError> and they have *3* leds
2015-09-12T12:50:14 < ReadError> so you know its quality
2015-09-12T12:53:46 < PeterM> WoAh dUdE threeee LEDS MANNNNN
2015-09-12T12:53:52 < PeterM> i feel sick
2015-09-12T12:58:01 < Roklobsta> You know, in Soviet Russia the luxury of 3 LEDs you lead you to be convicted of being borgoise and get you 20 years in Siberia.
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2015-09-12T13:03:17 < Ecco> http://fr.aliexpress.com/store/product/Dupont-line-120pcs-20cm-male-to-male-male-to-female-and-female-to-female-jumper-wire/712084_32322455545.html
2015-09-12T13:04:08 < Ecco> Any better deal?
2015-09-12T13:04:18 < Ecco> (Of course I don't need 120 of them…)
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2015-09-12T13:08:40 < Ecco> Oh ok nevermind
2015-09-12T13:08:41 < Ecco> http://fr.aliexpress.com/item/120pcs-20cm-Dupont-line-120pcs-20cm-male-to-male-male-to-female-and-female-to-female/2002828086.html?spm=2114.06010108.3.11.VLQkcQ&ws_ab_test=201407_4,201444_5,201409_4
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2015-09-12T13:36:11 < Sync> fucking automotive manufacturers
2015-09-12T13:36:20 < Sync> full of asics
2015-09-12T13:38:35 < Ecco> Hmm, so I'm trying to stream some data from memory to SPI on an STM32F4
2015-09-12T13:38:43 < Ecco> It doesn't work (nothing comes out of the SPI port)
2015-09-12T13:38:48 < Ecco> What could I overlook?
2015-09-12T13:39:41 < Ecco> Current code looks like 1/ Enable DMA clock in RCC_AHB1ENR, set addresses in DMA_SPAR/SMA0R, set number of data items in DMA_SNDTR, configure DMA_SCR, and last but not least enable DMA_EN in DMA_SCR
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2015-09-12T13:44:59 < upgrdman> did you enable dma mode in the spi registers?
2015-09-12T13:45:23 < upgrdman> (might be wrong, haven't dma's spi on an stm32 yet)
2015-09-12T13:45:53 < upgrdman> also, spi and gpio clocks and registsers already config'd right?
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2015-09-12T13:57:21 < Ecco> spi works
2015-09-12T13:57:25 < Ecco> if I write to SPI_DR
2015-09-12T13:57:28 < Ecco> from the CPU
2015-09-12T13:58:47 < Ecco> Yds actually I do have a question: how does the DMA controller know when the byte has been transferred over SPI?
2015-09-12T13:59:00 < Ecco> On the CPU, I have to poll a register before writing again to SPI_DR
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2015-09-12T14:08:33 < Ecco> ok apparently that's exactly what you're talking about :)
2015-09-12T14:12:41 < Ecco> Oh, ok, seems like this is what I was missing!
2015-09-12T14:12:44 < Ecco> Thanks :)
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2015-09-12T15:03:11 < Laurenceb__> http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/11/thelulz-300x240.png
2015-09-12T15:03:16 < Laurenceb__> the day that lulz died
2015-09-12T15:03:27 < dongs> sup dongs
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2015-09-12T15:10:41 < Laurenceb__> dongs spotted http://i.imgur.com/kAzCM7c.jpg
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2015-09-12T15:13:50 < dongs> Laurenceb__: zano has FCCID now
2015-09-12T15:13:57 < dongs> LM1117 no longer on flightboard
2015-09-12T15:14:04 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=362&p=4320&hilit=LDO#p4320 but ivan???????????
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2015-09-12T15:17:53 < dongs> they're using http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?product=MRF49XA for "swarming" radio
2015-09-12T15:17:56 < dongs> lolz.
2015-09-12T15:18:54 < ReadError> hm i was wondering what the 915 was for
2015-09-12T15:19:04 < dongs> for nothing
2015-09-12T15:19:12 < dongs> it doent doanything yet (and never will)
2015-09-12T15:20:49 < Laurenceb__> it has 915mhz?
2015-09-12T15:21:34 < dongs> it has that chip i linked
2015-09-12T15:21:40 < dongs> or 833 or whatever in eu.
2015-09-12T15:21:47 < ReadError> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=jKVoClJTgkOIbtFzfEdF7Q%3D%3D&fcc_id=2AE23-ZANO1
2015-09-12T15:21:49 < Laurenceb__> lol crappy link budget
2015-09-12T15:22:08 < Laurenceb__> still - better than wifi
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2015-09-12T15:22:18 < Laurenceb__> but anything is better than wifi
2015-09-12T15:22:40 < Laurenceb__> range is going to be like to the next room
2015-09-12T15:22:41 < dongs> whats a matching circuitry
2015-09-12T15:22:44 < dongs> just a balun?
2015-09-12T15:23:38 < zyp> no
2015-09-12T15:23:48 < Laurenceb__> i dont get how they could fit an antenna
2015-09-12T15:23:55 < Laurenceb__> thats not utterly shit
2015-09-12T15:24:02 < zyp> dongs, shit to compensate for antenna detuning
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2015-09-12T15:26:09 < zyp> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=2742916 <- page 2
2015-09-12T15:26:11 < zyp> antennas there
2015-09-12T15:26:25 < zyp> sandwhiched in between the two boards
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2015-09-12T15:40:18 < karlp> zyp: that link doesn't work directly, you can only link to the page of docs, and say which one you mean.
2015-09-12T15:41:32 < zyp> internal photos document
2015-09-12T15:44:29 < dongs> zyp: yeah, i mean, in my tv tuner shit the tuff that takes rf_p / rf_n is usually just fed from a balun that has some notch filters in front of it for fm radio and shit
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2015-09-12T15:45:41 < zyp> dongs, matching stuff is usually combined with that
2015-09-12T15:46:03 < ReadError> Laurenceb__
2015-09-12T15:46:06 < ReadError> http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/stop-using-difficulttoguess-passwords-uks-spying-agency-gchq-recommends-10497048.html
2015-09-12T15:46:10 < ReadError> lul
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2015-09-12T15:55:14 < dongs> http://www.microchip.com/pagehandler/en-us/technology/personalareanetworks/technology/home.html
2015-09-12T15:55:17 < dongs> i guess its this trash
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2015-09-12T16:16:02 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/qyhdw lol @ those board to board pin headers
2015-09-12T16:16:09 < dongs> i wonder how many grams thats wasting
2015-09-12T16:16:58 < dongs> also: SSM2518 is available in BGA
2015-09-12T16:17:04 < dongs> coulda saved space!11
2015-09-12T16:17:20 < dongs> is IR receiver shit really only avialable as fucking DIP
2015-09-12T16:17:41 < Laurenceb__> oh FCC
2015-09-12T16:18:10 < Laurenceb__> erm wtf is that thing at the top?
2015-09-12T16:18:20 < Laurenceb__> first photo
2015-09-12T16:19:52 < Laurenceb__> is that a piezo buzzer thing on second photo?
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2015-09-12T16:20:54 < dongs> yes
2015-09-12T16:20:58 < dongs> there's a speakr
2015-09-12T16:21:00 < dongs> and mems mic
2015-09-12T16:21:19 < dongs> under GPS is speaker, right of it thing with a hole is a mic.
2015-09-12T16:21:30 < dongs> left of speaker is that 915mhz trash
2015-09-12T16:22:04 < dongs> chinacamera module connector looks like same 24pin trash as I got
2015-09-12T16:22:34 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/i1fa8ft.gifv
2015-09-12T16:22:52 < dongs> dumb
2015-09-12T16:23:50 < Laurenceb__> I'm confused
2015-09-12T16:24:00 < Laurenceb__> is that IR at the top of first photo?
2015-09-12T16:24:29 < Lux> the sonar is pretty huge too
2015-09-12T16:24:39 < Laurenceb__> and where the hell is the 915/868mhz antenna?
2015-09-12T16:24:45 < Lux> kinda looks like they cloned those cheap 1$ china thingies
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2015-09-12T16:24:53 < zyp> Laurenceb__, underneath it
2015-09-12T16:25:09 < zyp> location doesn't make sense, but it's pointed out
2015-09-12T16:25:29 < Laurenceb__> what the hell
2015-09-12T16:25:34 < Laurenceb__> how can this possibly work
2015-09-12T16:25:36 < zyp> both that and wifi antenna must have pretty fucking weird radiation patterns
2015-09-12T16:25:42 < Laurenceb__> how do i RF design
2015-09-12T16:25:53 < dongs> < Laurenceb__> how can this possibly work
2015-09-12T16:25:55 < dongs> it doesn't
2015-09-12T16:25:56 < Laurenceb__> performance must be really piss poor
2015-09-12T16:25:58 < dongs> thats the point
2015-09-12T16:25:59 < Laurenceb__> lul
2015-09-12T16:26:12 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/4wVyCuw.jpg
2015-09-12T16:26:12 < dongs> Laurenceb__: they never did anything with subghz rf other than make it transmit a tone for certification
2015-09-12T16:26:13 < Laurenceb__> WTF
2015-09-12T16:26:20 < dongs> i doubt they even botehred trying to receive anythign with it
2015-09-12T16:26:29 < Laurenceb__> theres a huge thing with metal parts next to the 2.4ghz antenna
2015-09-12T16:26:43 < dongs> that huge thing is cover for IR shit
2015-09-12T16:26:46 < Laurenceb__> so stupid
2015-09-12T16:26:47 < dongs> its probly plastic
2015-09-12T16:26:59 < Laurenceb__> yeah but theres leadframe inside
2015-09-12T16:27:16 < Laurenceb__> going to take tens of dB off the performance I bet
2015-09-12T16:27:40 < dongs> have you seen their new MANUAL
2015-09-12T16:27:53 < Laurenceb__> nope
2015-09-12T16:27:53 < dongs> http://support.flyzano.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Manual_1.5_amended_03.pdf
2015-09-12T16:28:35 < Laurenceb__> lul section 4
2015-09-12T16:29:35 < dongs> x Do not charge in a moving vehicle
2015-09-12T16:30:22 < dongs> This app is available as a free download for ZANO owners. Note: You
2015-09-12T16:30:23 < dongs> will not need to download updates for the app as the latest version is
2015-09-12T16:30:23 < dongs> always available to you
2015-09-12T16:30:35 < dongs> zano has magical auto-udpates
2015-09-12T16:30:40 < dongs> without user intervention
2015-09-12T16:30:43 < dongs> now thats pretty pro
2015-09-12T16:33:47 < dongs> https://youtu.be/hgkbhjXTbOE?t=114 lulz the pics in manual are same fucking cliff
2015-09-12T16:33:54 < dongs> its probably some trash near pembrokeshire
2015-09-12T16:37:54 < Tectu> is that a fucking square manual?
2015-09-12T16:38:21 < karlp> what is the ssm2518 on zano for? oh, for the speaker?
2015-09-12T16:38:26 < dongs> karlp: yeah, amp
2015-09-12T16:44:43 < dongs> hm, i can no longer do @fagot in jewtube comments
2015-09-12T16:44:45 < dongs> to highlight htem
2015-09-12T16:44:46 < dongs> hmmm
2015-09-12T16:46:00 < Laurenceb__> heh funtimes
2015-09-12T16:46:17 < Laurenceb__> I've written hundreds of pages of this crap for work projects
2015-09-12T16:46:27 < Laurenceb__> mainly CE documentation, the users can go fuck themselves
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2015-09-12T17:12:25 < Ecco> Is there any gotchas regarding looping DMA transfers?
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2015-09-12T17:21:48 < Lux> i had some issues using circular mode on spi, but i guess that was due to having a little inerferrence somewhere
2015-09-12T17:22:08 < Lux> frames got shifted sometimes and fucked things up
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2015-09-12T17:29:30 < karlp> heh, ti has relauched the tiva "C" ethernet launchpad, now with crypto! to do proper secure IoT shit.
2015-09-12T17:29:35 < karlp> I bet that will be fun to export.
2015-09-12T17:31:46 < Tectu> I never understood what the problem is with exporting something with a crypto unit
2015-09-12T17:31:54 < Tectu> it´s not like they come with keys
2015-09-12T17:32:00 < Tectu> or like you couldn´t do the same in SW
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2015-09-12T17:47:55 < zyp> Tectu, well, crypto software is also subject to export laws
2015-09-12T17:48:54 < zyp> read up on the PGP history for instance
2015-09-12T17:49:00 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy#History
2015-09-12T17:49:58 < Tectu>  criminal investigation by the US Government for "munitions export without a license"
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2015-09-12T17:50:00 < Tectu> c´mon
2015-09-12T17:50:02 < Tectu> really?
2015-09-12T17:50:21 < Tectu> like they don´t even have a law against it but still want to make him shut up
2015-09-12T17:50:44 < zyp> sure they did
2015-09-12T17:50:46 < zyp> and do
2015-09-12T17:50:58 < Tectu> Cryptosystems using keys larger than 40 bits were then considered munitions within the definition of the US export regulations
2015-09-12T17:51:01 < Tectu> wtf
2015-09-12T17:51:10 < Tectu> somebody should be sent to an alysium
2015-09-12T17:51:11 < Tectu> really
2015-09-12T17:51:29 < zyp> why?
2015-09-12T17:51:32 < Tectu> if they have a proper law again it sure. but that way I can´t really respect who ever is responsible for that
2015-09-12T17:51:55 < Tectu> munition is something that specifies something rather specifit that is far from software
2015-09-12T17:52:02 < Tectu> specific*
2015-09-12T17:52:41 < zyp> keep in mind that early crypto tech played a big role in some wars
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2015-09-12T17:53:04 < Tectu> doesn´t seem to be serious enough to make a serious law for/against it
2015-09-12T17:53:28 < dongs> this is cool
2015-09-12T17:53:35 < dongs> i got a stm32 that seems to be running at over 9000mhz
2015-09-12T17:53:41 < Tectu> that munitions thing sounds like somebody was just in a bad mood because his friends left him alone in the strip club on a friday evening after a hard week of work in the pentagon
2015-09-12T17:54:09 < zyp> Tectu, are you aware how big the role of the enigma machine was in wwii?
2015-09-12T17:54:31 < Tectu> zyp, pretty aware, yes.
2015-09-12T17:54:35 < dongs> hm
2015-09-12T17:54:35 < dongs> yepo
2015-09-12T17:54:39 < dongs> crystal is oscillating at 24mhz
2015-09-12T17:54:42 < dongs> ...
2015-09-12T17:54:46 < dongs> yet its a 12mhz xtal
2015-09-12T17:54:49 < dongs> wat gives
2015-09-12T17:55:20 < Tectu> zyp, that is why I don´t understand that they didn´t came up with a real law addressing exactly that within all those years
2015-09-12T17:55:40 < Tectu> zyp, ~1942 to 1993 is a lot of time to come up with a proper law
2015-09-12T17:56:01 < zyp> what's improper about the one that existed?
2015-09-12T17:56:18 < dongs> unfunny trolling in progress
2015-09-12T17:56:24 < dongs> this 12mhz xtal turning into 24mhz is much more interesting
2015-09-12T17:56:32 < zyp> haha
2015-09-12T17:56:37 < Tectu> zyp, using the word ´munition´ for it
2015-09-12T17:56:43 < dongs> tectu
2015-09-12T17:56:50 < dongs> lemme summarize this in like one sentence
2015-09-12T17:57:09 < dongs> crypto is considered munition cuz it can be used to encrypt military stuff that could give one country advantage over another.
2015-09-12T17:57:41 < Tectu> zyp, anyway, thanks for the remark about software being restricted too
2015-09-12T17:57:46 < zyp> Tectu, check the definition of the word «munition»
2015-09-12T17:57:58 < zyp> the enigma machine could certainly be classified as such
2015-09-12T17:58:05 < Tectu> zyp, so when some smart math IT guy comes up with a new super duper strong algorithm he cannot just publish it?
2015-09-12T17:58:12 < zyp> dongs, crystal loading way off?
2015-09-12T17:58:48 < dongs> naw
2015-09-12T17:59:02 < dongs> its not gonna be off to make 12 into 24mhz
2015-09-12T17:59:23 < dongs> my theory is china was making both and 24mhz one jumped into 12mhz pile and got labeled as 12
2015-09-12T17:59:29 < dongs> its oscillating at like 23.98 or so
2015-09-12T17:59:32 < zyp> ah
2015-09-12T18:01:07 < mtbg> https://i.imgur.com/ZVIYIrb.gifv
2015-09-12T18:01:16 < zyp> obtw, you can get people started on the next arcin batch now
2015-09-12T18:02:06 < Tectu> mtbg, lol
2015-09-12T18:02:14 < dongs> zyp, okay monday will get pcbs.
2015-09-12T18:02:33 < dongs> is there wires involved too?
2015-09-12T18:02:35 < dongs> i forgot
2015-09-12T18:02:41 < zyp> no, I have a ton of those left
2015-09-12T18:02:43 < dongs> ah ok
2015-09-12T18:02:54 < Tectu> zyp?
2015-09-12T18:03:03 < zyp> I almost haven't touched the last box of 500
2015-09-12T18:03:24 < zyp> I had way more left of the first box than I thought when I ordered the last box
2015-09-12T18:03:40 < Tectu> zyp, also, is that crypto stuff still going under ´munition´ nowdays?
2015-09-12T18:03:56 < dongs> good news: stm32 is actually working at 24*6mhz.
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2015-09-12T18:04:16 < dongs> to blink leds anyhow
2015-09-12T18:04:23 < dongs> then it gets to somewehre important and dies there.
2015-09-12T18:04:31 < zyp> Tectu, idk, there's still bullshit restrictions at least
2015-09-12T18:04:44 < zyp> but I don't live in the US so I don't care
2015-09-12T18:04:54 < dongs> mtbg: what a fucking waste of tiem
2015-09-12T18:05:00 < dongs> both the gif and teh activity
2015-09-12T18:05:04 < Tectu> zyp, thanks for the insights
2015-09-12T18:05:50 < zyp> haha, I think I've seen that gif before
2015-09-12T18:06:04 < zyp> yup
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2015-09-12T21:47:12 < Laurenceb__> haha wtf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZq3iCn2y74
2015-09-12T21:48:11 < upgrdman> R2COM, oh noes!
2015-09-12T21:49:54 < Steffanx> wonder how many people are going to vote for this guy Laurenceb__
2015-09-12T21:50:04 < Steffanx> *on
2015-09-12T21:50:17 < Steffanx> if that's even possible, never understood the weird elections in yankeeland
2015-09-12T21:52:54 < kakimir> so old jet
2015-09-12T21:54:09 < kakimir> like early 2000s
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2015-09-12T22:00:34 < ReadError> he has a hot daughter
2015-09-12T22:05:08 < kakimir> '81
2015-09-12T22:05:22 < Sync> too old
2015-09-12T22:05:27 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-12T22:06:41 < ReadError> that just means shes well trained
2015-09-12T22:07:34 < Laurenceb__> wait thats his daughter?
2015-09-12T22:07:41 < Steffanx> "You have to learn cycling on an old bicycle" would the dutch say.
2015-09-12T22:07:54 < kakimir> there is nothing to train anymore
2015-09-12T22:08:02 < Laurenceb__> lol I thought she was his hooker
2015-09-12T22:08:12 < Laurenceb__> I like how is logo gets slightly bigger
2015-09-12T22:08:21 < Laurenceb__> or maybe it is my imagination
2015-09-12T22:09:33 < Sync> Laurenceb__: she probably is
2015-09-12T22:09:49 < Laurenceb__> hooker & daughter
2015-09-12T22:09:52 < emeb> STM32F7 so much fail
2015-09-12T22:09:52 < Laurenceb__> seems likely
2015-09-12T22:10:46 < Steffanx> Harry knows it all.
2015-09-12T22:13:17 < Steffanx> why emeb?
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2015-09-12T22:14:08 < emeb> Steffanx: must be too new - hard to use with all tools.
2015-09-12T22:14:52 < emeb> FOSS tools are still fragile - openocd doesn't support it yet. BMP support is there but doesn't work reliably.
2015-09-12T22:15:28 < emeb> Tried on Win / Keil - JLink doesn't see it. ST-Link V2 doesn't see it either.
2015-09-12T22:15:31 < PaulFertser> openocd doesn't support it unless you use an out of tree patch.
2015-09-12T22:15:55 < PaulFertser> I think they provided a new firmware version for stlink that supports it.
2015-09-12T22:16:16 < emeb> PaulFertser: I have the latest ST-Link firmware and Utility. That works.
2015-09-12T22:16:16 < PaulFertser> I think Tectu's using STM32F7 with OpenOCD now.
2015-09-12T22:16:24 < emeb> But within Keil it doesn't work.
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2015-09-12T22:17:39 < emeb> I've been able to flash code w/ BMP, but debugging doesn't work.
2015-09-12T22:17:56 < emeb> haven't tried the out-of-tree patches to openocd yet.
2015-09-12T22:18:13 < emeb> not an expert at digging up & applying patches.
2015-09-12T22:18:38 < emeb> PaulFertser: I know you gave me instructions on that the other day, but I wasn't successful in building from that. Many errors.
2015-09-12T22:19:24 < emeb> too n00b on git
2015-09-12T22:20:13 < PaulFertser> emeb: I can try to provide better assistance.
2015-09-12T22:20:31 < emeb> PaulFertser: sure. I'd like to try.
2015-09-12T22:21:24 < PaulFertser> emeb: go to openocd git repo directory, then do git fetch http://openocd.zylin.com/openocd
2015-09-12T22:21:27 < PaulFertser> refs/changes/54/2754/5
2015-09-12T22:21:46 < PaulFertser> (in one command of course). Then "git checkout FETCH_HEAD"; try building that.
2015-09-12T22:23:14 < emeb> working
2015-09-12T22:23:54 < emeb> make[6]: *** No rule to make target 'adi_v5_cmsis_dap.c', needed by 'adi_v5_cmsis_dap.lo'.  Stop.
2015-09-12T22:24:25 < emeb> PaulFertser: ^^
2015-09-12T22:24:57 < PaulFertser> emeb: try "git clean -fdx" and rerun ./bootstrap && ./configure && make
2015-09-12T22:25:33 < PaulFertser> It's just that your clone was old and has some older now-useless files.
2015-09-12T22:26:30 < emeb> working...
2015-09-12T22:26:49 < PaulFertser> cmsis-dap driver was changed a lot since than, it's now using regular swd framework and as the result became several times faster.
2015-09-12T22:27:39 < emeb> I see
2015-09-12T22:28:02 < emeb> PaulFertser: seems to have finished. Save to do a sudo make install or should I run locally to test first?
2015-09-12T22:28:13 < emeb> s/save/safe/
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2015-09-12T22:29:15 < PaulFertser> emeb: should be safe IMHO
2015-09-12T22:30:55 < emeb> detected OK
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2015-09-12T22:33:56 < emeb> PaulFertser: seems like it's flashing now. Interestingly, openocd seems to hang up and not exit back to the command line.
2015-09-12T22:34:56 < PaulFertser> emeb: to cite the NEWS for the latest release: "The “program” command doesn’t lead to a shutdown by default, use optional “exit” parameter for the old behaviour"
2015-09-12T22:36:15 < emeb> PaulFertser: thanks. not reading the dox... again.
2015-09-12T22:36:23 < PaulFertser> emeb: welcome
2015-09-12T22:37:30 < emeb> PaulFertser: ok - flashing works as desired. Now to test debug...
2015-09-12T22:42:31 < emeb> PaulFertser: seems like I can do rudimentary gdb stuff now. Thanks for your patience.
2015-09-12T22:48:49 < PaulFertser> emeb: np, good luck with it!
2015-09-12T22:50:34 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/4zu4Rf1.jpg
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2015-09-12T23:07:57 < Laurenceb__> lol  https://archive.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1397/54/1397543541505.png
2015-09-12T23:08:02 < Laurenceb__> all politics is assholes
2015-09-12T23:16:48 < kakimir> I want to be in "I made it big" section
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2015-09-12T23:17:39 < zyp> R2COM, time to move to north korea?
2015-09-12T23:20:50 < kakimir> interview was funny movie
2015-09-12T23:20:56 < kakimir> 4/5
2015-09-12T23:21:02 < kakimir> *the
2015-09-12T23:21:30 < kakimir> R2COM: Russia?
2015-09-12T23:22:21 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-12T23:22:28 < kakimir> just how you want it
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2015-09-12T23:23:44 < kakimir> not even worst kind of
2015-09-12T23:25:24 < kakimir> try disney
2015-09-12T23:36:21 < Sync> hmm fuck
2015-09-12T23:36:36 < Sync> the MC34SB0800 is pretty spendy
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2015-09-12T23:45:36 < Steffann> Nah R2COM. Im biased, i only see the crap he says because thats the stuff that mostly ends up on youtube and co.
2015-09-12T23:46:59 < zyp> so, remember how much of a fuckshow lpc43 io configuration was?
2015-09-12T23:47:05 < zyp> lpc11 isn't any better
2015-09-12T23:47:11 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/oGzd8.png <- look at this shit
2015-09-12T23:48:19 < zyp> there is no fucking order to it, you'll have to have a fucking list of which pins have which register indexes
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2015-09-12T23:49:54 < Sync> what the serious fuck
2015-09-12T23:50:01 < Sync> what coke were they smoking
2015-09-12T23:50:50 < zyp> even lpc43xx weren't this bad, and it was bad
2015-09-12T23:51:00 < zyp> or maybe it was, I don't remember
2015-09-12T23:51:05 < kakimir> what is this?
2015-09-12T23:51:22 < zyp> lpc11
2015-09-12T23:51:37 < kakimir> lpc11xx?
2015-09-12T23:52:02 < zyp> yeah
2015-09-12T23:52:22 < kakimir> lpc11Cxx?
2015-09-12T23:52:44 < zyp> yeah
2015-09-12T23:52:56 < emeb> hmm.. openocd breakpoints not working on F7
2015-09-12T23:53:20 < emeb> run / step / next / cont works but not break
2015-09-12T23:53:29 < kakimir> those are different series
2015-09-12T23:53:36 < kakimir> I think
2015-09-12T23:53:49 < zyp> kakimir, it's all covered by the same manual
2015-09-12T23:53:55 < zyp> so they are similar enough
2015-09-12T23:55:16 < zyp> ok, I checked the lpc43 manual, they have the pin config registers in a sane order
2015-09-12T23:56:32 < zyp> the main insanity there were how the pin blocks didn't translate 1:1 into gpio blocks
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2015-09-13T00:13:21 < kakimir> enjoy
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2015-09-13T00:23:08 < emeb> ok - here's a funny one: working on F7 and I've seen the system hang when I try to set the clock pll
2015-09-13T00:23:23 < emeb> backtrace shows it in the default handler
2015-09-13T00:23:38 < emeb> so I added a bunch of specific handlers
2015-09-13T00:23:50 < emeb> turns out it's in SysTick
2015-09-13T00:23:55 < emeb> but I never enabled SysTick
2015-09-13T00:24:12 < emeb> and it doesn't hang when not setting the clock
2015-09-13T00:25:43 < mtbg> do you switch to other clock source before setting the pll and wait until pll is ready after setting it before switching core clock source?
2015-09-13T00:25:52 < emeb> yes
2015-09-13T00:26:19 < mtbg> did you set flash wait states properly?
2015-09-13T00:26:23 < emeb> yes
2015-09-13T00:26:32 < emeb> using code straight outta the ST examples.
2015-09-13T00:26:38 < emeb> makes heavy use of HAL routines.
2015-09-13T00:26:47 < emeb> maybe the HAL stuff is turning on Systick?
2015-09-13T00:39:32 < emeb> yep - HAL turns on systick but apparently doesn't provide a handler.
2015-09-13T00:43:35 < zyp> heh
2015-09-13T00:44:08 < zyp> well, it probably assumes systick is already set up, and just configures it for the new freq
2015-09-13T00:46:39 < emeb> there is a routine in HAL that must be called from SysTick_Handler but they want you to define the handler and call the routine.
2015-09-13T00:47:34 < emeb> note that this is my first time fooling around with HAL.
2015-09-13T00:50:46 < emeb> It's deceptively similar to StdPeriph, but has enough minor differences that I'm stumbling a bit
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2015-09-13T01:04:24 < emeb> Another fun thing - in HAL the system_stm32fxxx startup code does not configure the clocks. You have to do that yourself (or use the CubeMX generated code)
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2015-09-13T01:31:04 < zyp> hmm, wonder how the fuck you're supposed to use nrf51's GPIOTE module
2015-09-13T01:32:08 < zyp> nrf51 has this cute event/task system, GPIOTE is a glue module that attaches to GPIO pins and gives them in events/out tasks
2015-09-13T01:32:42 < zyp> in is fair enough, it's pretty much a normal external interrupt thing
2015-09-13T01:33:30 < zyp> an out task can either set, clear or toggle a pin
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2015-09-13T01:34:18 < zyp> now, here is the silly part; it can only be configured for one of those, and only one task can be attached to each pin
2015-09-13T01:34:48 < zyp> so there's no way to trigger set and clear from different events
2015-09-13T01:35:06 < zyp> (nrf52 fixes this, adds set/clear tasks to each channel)
2015-09-13T01:35:27 < zyp> this is kinda dumb
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2015-09-13T01:36:44 < zyp> the timers can only generate events on match, no direct output compare to pin
2015-09-13T01:39:01 < zyp> so if I want to do pwm, I'll have to use two timer channels; one to trigger high, one to trigger low, point both to the same toggle-task, and hope it doesn't go out of sync which would result in an inverted waveform
2015-09-13T01:40:30 < zyp> nrf52 adds another solution for this as well; a separate pwm peripheral
2015-09-13T01:41:17 < upgrdman> re: nrf51, is an "event in" just an exti isr?
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2015-09-13T01:41:50 < zyp> which is also kinda weird; it has dma to load the duty cycle value, so apparently there's no register you can't just write to
2015-09-13T01:42:10 < zyp> upgrdman, it can generate interrupts as well, yes
2015-09-13T01:42:34 < zyp> but mainly it generates events, which can be hooked up to other tasks
2015-09-13T01:42:41 < upgrdman> how else would it do it? you give it a function pointer or something?
2015-09-13T01:43:40 < zyp> it's a hardware thing
2015-09-13T01:45:24 < zyp> I can for instance configure GPIOTE.IN[0] to trigger on P5 high, then configure the peripheral interconnect block to use that event to trigger TIMER0.START
2015-09-13T01:45:49 < zyp> to start a timer directly from a rising edge on P5
2015-09-13T01:46:02 < zyp> without cpu intervention
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2015-09-13T03:09:02 < dongs> Laurenceb caught, RIP : http://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-is-jihadist-is-actually-an-jewish-american-troll-20150911-gjk852
2015-09-13T03:09:27 < dongs> < zyp> the timers can only generate events on match, no direct output compare to pin
2015-09-13T03:09:31 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-13T03:09:35 < dongs> thats why that nasty nrf PWM lib exists
2015-09-13T03:09:40 < dongs> that fucks wiht gpio when timer fires
2015-09-13T03:09:41 < dongs> lolz.
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2015-09-13T03:18:17 < upgrdman> isn't this inductor kinda small for 83A?  http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/MEDER-electronic-Standex/PQ2006-1R0-30-G/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMv126LJFLh8y0EdYdWKaEsfqZCDsTgB9GE%3d
2015-09-13T03:21:45 < Roklobsta> dongs: supertroll.  i had read about him in the media here before he was caught.
2015-09-13T03:31:58 < kakimir> trolling with a bomb threat you need supertrolling skills
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2015-09-13T03:41:18 < Roklobsta> he's claiming freedom of speech.
2015-09-13T03:41:49 < Roklobsta> still in spite of all the fedz data slurping it took a while to find him.
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2015-09-13T05:08:25 < dongs> yep
2015-09-13T05:08:31 < dongs> swapped yesterdays crystal to 12mhz and everythign wroks
2015-09-13T05:08:46 < dongs> i think im gonna xray the "12"mhz one and see if it looks different from the real one
2015-09-13T05:08:56 < dongs> 24m xtal should be a lot smaller i guess
2015-09-13T05:09:12 < Sync> doesn't need to be
2015-09-13T05:09:19 < Sync> it can also be thinner
2015-09-13T05:09:22 < dongs> sync, then why are 8mhz ones huge
2015-09-13T05:09:26 < Sync> or cut differently
2015-09-13T05:09:52 < Sync> because that's one way to do it
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2015-09-13T05:15:56 < dongs> ok i will take a look in a bit
2015-09-13T05:16:00 < dongs> i gotta assemble a flashing jig :(
2015-09-13T05:16:02 < dongs> god damn takes forever
2015-09-13T05:16:06 < dongs> over 9000 pogopins
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2015-09-13T05:22:37 < emeb_mac> dafuq?
2015-09-13T05:24:45 < dongs> sup
2015-09-13T05:31:55 < dongs> are you dafaqu'ing about my amazecrystal?
2015-09-13T05:34:23 < emeb_mac> dafuqing about 9000 pogopins
2015-09-13T05:38:30 < dongs> there's ~50
2015-09-13T05:41:38 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mA1vgnpsi4 ??? what did he THINK was going to happen?
2015-09-13T05:44:53 < emeb_mac> boring
2015-09-13T05:45:04 < emeb_mac> down the spillway into water.
2015-09-13T05:45:06 < dongs> agreed
2015-09-13T05:46:24 < emeb_mac> dongs: anything special needed to use ST-Link w/ Keil?
2015-09-13T05:46:28 < dongs> nope
2015-09-13T05:46:32 < dongs> just select it in debug thing
2015-09-13T05:46:41 < emeb_mac> I tried today w/ MDK 5.16a and it couldn't see the F7
2015-09-13T05:47:06 < dongs> F7 on t he f7disco with lcd?
2015-09-13T05:47:13 < emeb_mac> nah - my own F7 board
2015-09-13T05:47:19 < dongs> well, -disco worked for me
2015-09-13T05:47:21 < dongs> using onboard stlink.
2015-09-13T05:47:27 < dongs> did you upgrade firmware on wahtever stlink youre using?
2015-09-13T05:47:45 < emeb_mac> yeh - latest firmware from the latest ST-Link Util
2015-09-13T05:47:52 < dongs> hmpf
2015-09-13T05:48:00 < emeb_mac> ST-Link Util sees it OK, but not Keil
2015-09-13T05:48:13 < dongs> you didnt select jtag or something by mistake?
2015-09-13T05:48:31 < emeb_mac> hmm... need to check that. don't think so tho
2015-09-13T05:48:34 < dongs> port SW/JTAG under 'settings'
2015-09-13T05:48:38 < emeb_mac> kk
2015-09-13T05:48:43 < dongs> i think it defaults to jtag on stlink
2015-09-13T05:48:51 < emeb_mac> ah - that might be it then
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2015-09-13T06:18:58 < emeb> dongs: that was it - switched to swd and all works now. thx
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2015-09-13T06:24:03 < PeterM> [10:18] <upgrdman> isn't this inductor kinda small for 83A?  http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/MEDER-electronic-Standex/PQ2006-1R0-30-G/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMv126LJFLh8y0EdYdWKaEsfqZCDsTgB9GE%3d seems reasonable to me
2015-09-13T06:28:43 < dongs> thats cheap
2015-09-13T06:29:43 < emeb_mac> 30A - fuuuuu
2015-09-13T06:29:54 < dongs> thats for buttcoin miners i bet
2015-09-13T06:30:09 < dongs> to go with those 30A switching regulators
2015-09-13T06:30:14 < dongs> that output like 0.9V @ 30A
2015-09-13T06:30:53 < jadew> and with those heatsinks
2015-09-13T06:32:02 < jadew> look at that, the bitcoin has plummeted
2015-09-13T06:32:11 < jadew> I remember when it was $1000
2015-09-13T06:32:20 < jadew> obvious bubble was obvious
2015-09-13T06:32:40 < jadew> and it's not even close to its real value => 0
2015-09-13T06:33:11 < dongs> llol buttcoin was only $1000 cuz mt.cox was inflating it
2015-09-13T06:33:41 < jadew> well, whoever was behind it made a lot of real money out of it
2015-09-13T06:33:50 < dongs> hes in jail now
2015-09-13T06:33:52 < dongs> so no.
2015-09-13T06:33:54 < jadew> ah
2015-09-13T06:34:16 < dongs> that guy was a real tool, too
2015-09-13T06:34:37 < dongs> http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-ceo-mark-karpeles-embezzlement/
2015-09-13T06:34:38 < dongs> lewl
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2015-09-13T06:37:54 < ReadError> if het gets bail hes gone
2015-09-13T06:37:56 < emeb_mac> bitcoin: dunning-krugerrands
2015-09-13T06:39:04 < upgrdman> PeterM, ok thanks
2015-09-13T06:39:11 < Roklobsta> dongs: did you ever meet him?
2015-09-13T06:39:17 < upgrdman> tempted to pick up a few for SMPS shenanigans
2015-09-13T06:40:07 < dongs> Roklobsta: no, i did stop by thier "office" when i was in tokyo
2015-09-13T06:40:42 < dongs> that guy is just a shitty PHP programmer and mmorpg / animu wanker
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2015-09-13T07:03:27 < upgrdman> for low-esr and nonpolarized caps, is ceramic the only viable option?
2015-09-13T07:21:01 < dongs> as opposed to wat
2015-09-13T07:21:35 < upgrdman> i dunno
2015-09-13T07:22:01 < upgrdman> i mean, alum electrolytics are out since theyre polarized or have high esr nonpolarized
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2015-09-13T07:59:13 < PeterM> upgrdman, there are some crazy asss film ones, but they'reusually super low capacitance
2015-09-13T08:01:38 < PeterM> also, for inductors for fucking around with SMPS, i suggest you buy a fistfull of toroids and some magnet wire and make your own
2015-09-13T08:01:40 < PeterM> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/407105
2015-09-13T08:04:13 < emeb_mac> winding toroids is a PITA, but it is a lot cheaper and more flexible.
2015-09-13T08:05:36 < PeterM> its not that much of a PITA... especially for fuckign around
2015-09-13T08:06:20 < emeb_mac> just don't lose count halfway thru a 200-turn wind.
2015-09-13T08:07:30 < PeterM> +/-10% turns is probably fine anyway because you're not perfectly winding it anyway so you're going to have to measure it anyway
2015-09-13T08:09:14 < emeb_mac> place I used to work had an inductor shop where they wound toroids in bulk. The machines that do that are pretty crazy.
2015-09-13T08:12:01 < dongs> analol'g fuckin around
2015-09-13T08:14:26 < emeb_mac> analog rules
2015-09-13T08:14:46 < emeb_mac> if you can't do it with analog it's not worth doing. :P
2015-09-13T08:15:21 < PeterM> emeb_mac, the spinning ring winders?
2015-09-13T08:15:30 < emeb_mac> PeterM: yep
2015-09-13T08:15:48 < PeterM> i've never seen those for small toriods, only for big toroidal transformers
2015-09-13T08:15:54 < emeb_mac> I don't know exactly how those work, but I assume they pre-wind onto the ring the amount needed.
2015-09-13T08:18:27 < emeb_mac> R2COM: super pro RF designer
2015-09-13T08:19:15 < PeterM> but yeah, wind your own toroids for smps prototyping etc - waiting for mouser/digikey/e14 isnt worth
2015-09-13T08:20:34 < PeterM> several dollars and you have stock of a few cores and some wire and 10 mins oytu have your inductor
2015-09-13T08:23:24 < upgrdman> PeterM, how do you pick a toroid material, and how do you determine how much energy it can store?
2015-09-13T08:23:46 < PeterM> upgrdman, math and sim
2015-09-13T08:24:16 < PeterM> no fucking shit?
2015-09-13T08:25:26 < emeb_mac> who needs math? For simulations you just plop models down and push a button on the GUI.
2015-09-13T08:25:38 < upgrdman> how the fuck do you sim a china toroid?
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2015-09-13T08:26:08 < upgrdman> like this huge ass toroid  http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/T300-52D-Magnetic-core-inductance-core-core-soft-magnetic-iron-powder-core-materials/407105_32464575756.html
2015-09-13T08:26:23 < emeb_mac> lol
2015-09-13T08:26:24 < PeterM> with the datasheets and graphs provided by the mfg?
2015-09-13T08:26:42 < emeb_mac> because everyone knows .cn mfgs give great data
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2015-09-13T08:27:38 < emeb_mac> R2COM: wouldn't know - I drive .jp car
2015-09-13T08:28:06 < PeterM> they give just as much dataa as fucking siemens or phillips etc
2015-09-13T08:28:29 < PeterM> (which isnt very much)
2015-09-13T08:31:45 < upgrdman> is there a cheat sheet for this sorta shit. i dont even know where to start.
2015-09-13T08:32:28 < upgrdman> something like "this material is good for x-y kHz" and "roughly z joules per cubic centimeter of this material"
2015-09-13T08:33:08 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: there are standard core types for different frequencies & currents
2015-09-13T08:35:00 < emeb_mac> should be easy to find a table for that - Radio Amateur Handbook has all that stuff in it.
2015-09-13T08:36:16 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-13T08:37:20 < PeterM> http://www.catzco.com/toroids.htm
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2015-09-13T08:42:16 < ReadError> dongs https://drive.google.com/a/readerror.net/file/d/0B8FFkUEqB3mFUEdOc2N5eEcxYm8/view check out my latest cloning
2015-09-13T08:43:51 < upgrdman> ReadError, turn left more often :)
2015-09-13T08:43:54 < upgrdman> PeterM, thx
2015-09-13T08:44:27 < ReadError> left turns are for nascar
2015-09-13T08:45:23 < emeb_mac> whoa - dizzy
2015-09-13T08:45:56 < upgrdman> ReadError, no seriously. if you always turn to the right, you get used to it and can more easily crash if you get yourself in a bad orientation
2015-09-13T08:46:17 < ReadError> upgrdman its fpv ;p no orientation needed
2015-09-13T08:46:34 < ReadError> i think its because i like to pull vs push
2015-09-13T08:51:35 < PeterM> upgrdman, if you use those aliexpress cores they are either these http://dasungtrading.com/dasung/alloyPowder/sendust.php# or these http://www.sendust.com/csc_sendust_cores.htm depending on which ones you order
2015-09-13T08:59:44 < upgrdman> PeterM, is there any drawback, other than size and cost, for using a way oversides toroid core?
2015-09-13T09:00:16 < upgrdman> like using one of those fist-size cores, for some 5W application :)
2015-09-13T09:04:29 < PeterM> poor coupling, more losses, trouble getting the inductance down (some times you might only need half a turn to get your desired inductance kinda thing)
2015-09-13T09:05:43 < PeterM> oh, and the fact that  your probably soldering a doughnut sized toroid to a few sot 23s
2015-09-13T09:05:50 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-13T09:06:51 < upgrdman> seems like -26 is popular
2015-09-13T09:06:55 < upgrdman> yellow/white
2015-09-13T09:09:18 < PeterM> for iron powder toroids you could probably buy it from a hobo who makes it out of ground up car parts and it would probably meet the specs for standard iron powder toroids
2015-09-13T09:10:18 < emeb_mac> lol
2015-09-13T09:10:20 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-13T09:10:33 < upgrdman> dont the particles need to be elec insulated from each other?
2015-09-13T09:10:43 < upgrdman> to min eddy currents
2015-09-13T09:10:57 < jpa-> minimizing losses is for the poor people
2015-09-13T09:11:02 < PeterM> yeah, but thats just the organic binding compount that usually does that
2015-09-13T09:11:06 < dongs> PeterM innovation basement is probably filled with perfboard PCBs, hand soldered / hand wound giant toroids and shit
2015-09-13T09:11:21 < dongs> breakout boards from 0.5mmpitch BGAs into DIP
2015-09-13T09:11:40 < upgrdman> no no no... breakout to PLCC pad
2015-09-13T09:11:59 < upgrdman> like a retarded interposer
2015-09-13T09:12:04 < PeterM> nah, my basement is filled with reptile enclosures, grow lights and ventilation systems
2015-09-13T09:12:12 < dongs> stoner!@
2015-09-13T09:12:58 < PeterM> ok?
2015-09-13T09:13:21 < dongs> grow lights. but probly not for weed.
2015-09-13T09:13:27 < dongs> what are ytou growing in it
2015-09-13T09:13:38 < upgrdman> reptiles?
2015-09-13T09:14:03 < dongs> thats a prety broad category
2015-09-13T09:14:05 < dongs> crocodiles?
2015-09-13T09:14:06 < dongs>  heh
2015-09-13T09:14:07 < PeterM> dngs i use it for germinating seedlings over winter etc
2015-09-13T09:14:41 < PeterM> reptiles, mainly agamids
2015-09-13T09:15:41 < dongs> we got those here but not colored
2015-09-13T09:16:04 < PeterM> the occasional varanidae
2015-09-13T09:16:41 < PeterM> ventilation just so the place gets fresh air
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2015-09-13T10:19:52 < Fleck> http://imgur.com/hzNdH8l << does this look OK?
2015-09-13T10:22:08 < Fleck> that small spike looks weird
2015-09-13T10:22:39 < zyp> yeah, it's normal
2015-09-13T10:23:11 < zyp> it happens when the master releases sda just before the slave grabs it to signal an ack
2015-09-13T10:24:21 < Fleck> ohh, I see
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2015-09-13T10:25:55 < Fleck> then I don't understand, why PCF8574 ignores data :/
2015-09-13T10:26:42 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/sGXj9.png <- you can see the same effect here on every transition between slave and master where both the bit before and after is 0
2015-09-13T10:27:15 < Fleck> 0b10000011 is getting ignored while 0b10001111 seems to be ok!
2015-09-13T10:27:47 < zyp> well, it's acked by the slave
2015-09-13T10:28:40 < Fleck> yep, seems to be, when I disconect PCF, I get NACK on address transfer
2015-09-13T10:29:47 < Fleck> and PCF8574 seems to be primitive device :/
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2015-09-13T10:45:13 < Fleck> problem solved :D
2015-09-13T10:51:15 < Fleck> thanks zyp! :) nice screenshot!
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2015-09-13T11:12:10 < dongs> http://www.bfxr.net/ awesome, now i can make unlimited ringtones
2015-09-13T11:19:20 < zyp> hardcore
2015-09-13T11:20:58 < dongs> http://tinyurl.com/oj9qm76 this is great
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2015-09-13T12:38:54 < dongs> attn upgrdman https://i.imgur.com/tsjQIYW.gifv
2015-09-13T12:40:10 < Roklobsta> dongs: that happened to a lady in norway last week, but no parachute.
2015-09-13T12:40:24 < dongs> is that teh video from that?
2015-09-13T12:40:27 < dongs> or unrelated.
2015-09-13T12:40:58 < Roklobsta> just a news article
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2015-09-13T12:49:10 < zyp> some exchange student that fell 2-300m from a mountain
2015-09-13T12:50:34 < ReadError> http://i.4cdn.org/b/1442125869510.webm
2015-09-13T12:51:10 < dongs> i expected him to fall into the sewer
2015-09-13T12:51:27 < Roklobsta> dongs: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-34181520
2015-09-13T12:52:02 < dongs> blame zyp
2015-09-13T12:53:24 < Roklobsta> you know, one day i might just talk about stm32 on here.
2015-09-13T12:53:30 < zyp> http://www.nrk.no/hordaland/vil-advare-utenlandske-studenter-mot-farlig-natur-1.12539044 <- and then you get other people like this
2015-09-13T12:53:46 < zyp> «we didn't now norwegian nature could be dangerous»
2015-09-13T12:54:03 < zyp> know*
2015-09-13T12:55:13 < Roklobsta> well one day the trolls tongue will snap when some idiot jumps on it for the last time.
2015-09-13T12:56:04 < jpa-> zyp: maybe they should visit svalbard next :)
2015-09-13T12:56:35 < zyp> haha
2015-09-13T12:56:42 < zyp> I've been there
2015-09-13T12:56:53 < jpa-> did you pet a polar bear?
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2015-09-13T12:57:29 < zyp> nah, the only one I saw was the stuffed one at the airport lobby
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2015-09-13T13:28:40 < dongs> falt i døden.
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2015-09-13T13:49:10 < Steffanx> ReadError where is that video taken that the parking area is so empty?
2015-09-13T13:49:13 < Steffanx> only a single car :S
2015-09-13T13:49:19 < Steffanx> (which is you i guess )
2015-09-13T13:49:24 < Steffanx> *yours
2015-09-13T13:49:37 < ReadError> a local school ;)
2015-09-13T13:49:42 < ReadError> empty on weekend
2015-09-13T14:20:56 < dongs> gate chj
2015-09-13T14:20:58 < dongs> gatech
2015-09-13T14:21:02 < dongs> students busy shoioting each other up
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2015-09-13T14:40:09 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/FA80486GXSF33/801241-ND/397536 do you think this will be hard to interface wiht something
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2015-09-13T14:46:29 < dongs> hmm
2015-09-13T14:46:34 < dongs> maybe quark would make more sense
2015-09-13T14:49:09 < Laurenceb__> heh 486 thats nice
2015-09-13T15:00:03 < mtbg> dongs: http://homepage1.nifty.com/hfd01577/mymouse.html
2015-09-13T15:00:35 < mtbg> this guy seems to like x86
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2015-09-13T15:07:23 < Steffanx> jappies and their crazy stuff
2015-09-13T15:33:05 < Sync> hmm
2015-09-13T15:38:41 < Sync> I need to drive eight solenoids current controlled, so either that freescale SoC or some discrete solution :/
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2015-09-13T15:53:07 < yan_> has anyone started having openocd issues recently? i'm trying to program a stm32l1 via st-link/v2 and am seeing the following error: embedded:startup.tcl:21: Error: -chain-position required when creating target
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2015-09-13T16:39:20 < dongs> I pledged for a white, seems now I will have to wait for a bit longer then so be it, hopefully by the time I get mine any unforseen problems experienced by the black users will have been addressed, should there prove to be any.
2015-09-13T16:41:44 < Sync> wad
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2015-09-13T16:42:51 < dongs> black users, biggest zano problem
2015-09-13T16:43:20 < dongs> i wonder if they will actually be allowed to ship 12k or they're gonna get sued out of existence before that
2015-09-13T16:43:23 < englishman> black users matter
2015-09-13T16:43:48 < dongs> haha
2015-09-13T16:43:53 < Fleck> ;p
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2015-09-13T16:47:27 < Steffann> One is not allowed to ship black anyway
2015-09-13T16:50:08 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srr3V1JE6Lc
2015-09-13T16:51:08 < englishman> isnt this common in japan, where rooms are so small that window blinds take up too much space
2015-09-13T16:51:21 < Sync> yeah that shit is pretty cool
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2015-09-13T17:04:44 < dongs> FENGHUA
2015-09-13T17:04:47 < dongs> makes caps
2015-09-13T17:06:55 < dongs> there's not even PIC32 stock in china
2015-09-13T17:09:27 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/STM32F103CBU6/STM32F103CBU6-ND/3087769
2015-09-13T17:09:28 < dongs> wtf is this
2015-09-13T17:09:37 < dongs> when did they start making F103 in 48pin QFN
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2015-09-13T17:18:49 < dongs> imgur mp4->gfy is pretty slow
2015-09-13T17:19:45 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/K7xji8E.gifv
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2015-09-13T17:20:55 < dongs> tectu missed it
2015-09-13T17:21:01 < ReadError> wtf is that car made of
2015-09-13T17:21:18 < ReadError> seems pretty light
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2015-09-13T17:22:51 < Tectu> dongs, what did I miss?
2015-09-13T17:23:21 < dongs> I occasionally shine a flashlight into the roof of my mouth and feel more alert. But I am delivering 1500 lumens to the soft palate. Enough light passes to make things glow red as I illuminate my retinas from the back. And it could be a placebo effect in my application anyway.
2015-09-13T17:23:42 < dongs> gotta try this
2015-09-13T17:26:21 < dongs> which side is teh driver on
2015-09-13T17:27:25 < Steffanx> the one in the white van in on the right, when you look from the front side.
2015-09-13T17:27:51 < dongs> ok so teh car driver is probly ok
2015-09-13T17:27:54 < dongs> just pissed off.
2015-09-13T17:28:09 < dongs> unless you mean car right
2015-09-13T17:28:22 < dongs> yesterday I had trouble remembering which side of hte road to drive on
2015-09-13T17:28:36 < dongs> had to ask wifecop for guidance
2015-09-13T17:29:04 < dongs> time to get stoned and sleep
2015-09-13T17:29:08 < Steffanx> enjoy
2015-09-13T17:29:08 < dongs> no zano news this weekend at all
2015-09-13T17:29:22 < Sync> yup shining a flashlight up your mouth works
2015-09-13T17:29:29 < dongs> to do wat
2015-09-13T17:29:38 < dongs> look like an idiot?
2015-09-13T17:29:58 < dongs> I'm sure it's getting pushed back to get it as good as it can get. I would rather my Zano late but be safe & better than see it rushed out 1/2 right.
2015-09-13T17:30:02 < dongs> If it's crap they won't be around to support it & none of us want that.
2015-09-13T17:30:17 < dongs> too bad even "as good as it can get" is still garbage
2015-09-13T17:31:14 < Sync> to light up your eyes from the back
2015-09-13T17:31:18 < dongs> ah
2015-09-13T17:31:30 < dongs> def gotta try.
2015-09-13T17:31:35 < dongs> will it help me get more stoned
2015-09-13T17:32:39 < Steffanx> do you grow your own weed dongs?
2015-09-13T17:32:53 < PaulFertser> I thought JP rules regarding weed were rather strict.
2015-09-13T17:33:20 < PaulFertser> But that's based on that incident with McCartney many years ago. Is it different now?
2015-09-13T17:36:41 < ReadError> maybe he gets high on god and the good gospel
2015-09-13T18:25:26 < zyp> 16:28:22 < dongs> yesterday I had trouble remembering which side of hte road to drive on
2015-09-13T18:25:29 < zyp> haha
2015-09-13T18:27:41 < zyp> I actually find it pretty intuitive to drive in jp even if it's opposite of what I'm used to
2015-09-13T18:27:57 < zyp> the only part I'm confusing is the direction signals and the windscreen wiper
2015-09-13T18:31:04 < Sync> well there are cars that are the same in lhd and rhd
2015-09-13T18:32:41 < zyp> all the ones I've been driving have the handle for the direction signals at the same side as the driver's door and wipers on the opposite side
2015-09-13T18:33:22 < zyp> i.e. left side in lhd cars, right side in rhd cars
2015-09-13T18:35:15 < zyp> and when you're used to operate it with the left hand, it's pretty fucking easy to turn on your wipers when you're driving a rhd car and are going to turn somewhere
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2015-09-13T18:51:20 < upgrdman> dongs, nice gifs
2015-09-13T18:54:21 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/AuyhUSN
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2015-09-13T19:00:40 < upgrdman> how i imagine dongs   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXnh4cVAdbs
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2015-09-13T19:25:19 < mtbg> how is this even possible?
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2015-09-13T19:39:09 < upgrdman> good question
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2015-09-13T20:38:06 < kakimir> hello
2015-09-13T20:41:27 < upgrdman> HALLO
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2015-09-13T20:56:51 < Tectu> Salü
2015-09-13T21:05:11 < Steffanx> bok
2015-09-13T21:06:40 < kakimir> bög
2015-09-13T21:06:51 < upgrdman> gäy
2015-09-13T21:07:55 < Steffanx> We accept you as you are upgrdman
2015-09-13T21:08:01 < upgrdman> :)
2015-09-13T21:08:35 < Tectu> do we?
2015-09-13T21:08:45 < upgrdman> >:(
2015-09-13T21:09:47 < Steffanx> Just let him think we do Tectu ;)
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2015-09-13T21:10:03 < Tectu> oh, ok
2015-09-13T21:14:57 < kakimir> I need basic wire for twisted pairs
2015-09-13T21:15:03 < kakimir> recommendations?
2015-09-13T21:15:25 < kakimir> price and material quality priorities
2015-09-13T21:25:10 < Tectu> ask PeterM, he´s the bondage guy
2015-09-13T21:25:13 < Tectu> wire guy*
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2015-09-13T21:45:04 < Tectu> R2COM, there are no guns allowed at all.
2015-09-13T21:45:13 < Tectu> R2COM, beside thes ones you have to carry :P
2015-09-13T21:45:25 < Tectu> people loose their full automatic rifles in the train all the time
2015-09-13T21:45:27 < Tectu> (no kidding)
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2015-09-13T21:46:01 < Tectu> mandatory army service. Requires you to have a rifle with you and even when you finish the mandatory courses you will have to keep the gun at your home until you are like 45 and dismissed (unless you are some super important person)
2015-09-13T21:46:28 < Steffanx> Tectu: didn't do that afaik. .. ?
2015-09-13T21:46:55 < Tectu> a few years ago you even got the amunition with the rifle when you went home
2015-09-13T21:46:57 < Tectu> they stopped doing that
2015-09-13T21:47:06 < Tectu> but it is not really that difficult to come by if you really want to fuck stuff up, of course
2015-09-13T21:47:21 < Tectu> R2COM, pretty sure nope
2015-09-13T21:47:30 < Tectu> R2COM, guns are pretty well regulated
2015-09-13T21:47:49 < Tectu> even if you are a hunter you are just allwed to have a non-automatic waepon
2015-09-13T21:47:56 < Tectu> no guns at all
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2015-09-13T21:48:16 < Tectu> it is not like in america where you can walk into a store and order a gun
2015-09-13T21:48:38 < Tectu> even if you run a private detective business it is very hard to get gun clearance
2015-09-13T21:49:16 < Tectu> it was different a few years ago
2015-09-13T21:49:49 < Tectu> back then I was not old/interested enough but there was some new law a few years ago where you had to like get rid of all guns unless you get a special registration of some sort
2015-09-13T21:49:53 < Tectu> but I am not aware of how that works nowdays
2015-09-13T21:50:04 < Tectu> I just know that guns are not something you just have in .ch
2015-09-13T21:50:18 < Tectu> the irony is taht the army guns just lie around at the train station and get forgotten in train etc.
2015-09-13T21:51:03 < Tectu> I am not into that enough to give proper information. I just know that it got way better regulated during the past few days. My uncle was one of the gun persons and he doesn´t have shit anymore
2015-09-13T21:51:44 < Tectu> I don´t care, really
2015-09-13T21:53:05 < Tectu> R2COM, read up the law. I am not enough into that to give accurate information.
2015-09-13T21:53:19 < Tectu> R2COM, I just know for a fact that it is hard to get guns
2015-09-13T21:53:41 < Tectu> and getting the approval to own one is one thing, but being allowed to take it out of your house is another
2015-09-13T21:54:01 < Tectu> another thing I know for sure is that it is strictly forbidden for any citizen to carry a gun in public at all
2015-09-13T21:54:36 < Tectu> when you are a hunter you are required to take your gun from your house to the forest and back again. you are NOT allowed to even go grocery shopping in the same car trip (even when you leave the gun hidden in the trunk)
2015-09-13T21:55:01 < Tectu> and that is for even just hunting rifles which are far away from anything automatic
2015-09-13T21:58:21 < ReadError> lol i like how this started with a question
2015-09-13T21:58:29 < ReadError> then him telling you how the laws are in your own country
2015-09-13T22:07:09 < Steffanx> For how long do you live in usaland now?
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2015-09-13T22:14:51 < Steffanx> only the bad ones i guess
2015-09-13T22:17:28 < Ecco> What's the name for the "standard" multimeter plug?
2015-09-13T22:17:49 < Ecco> Maybe
2015-09-13T22:18:13 < Ecco> Yeah seems like it is
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2015-09-13T22:19:15 < Ecco> How do you guys probe PCBs or small (2.54mm-spaced) jumpers ?
2015-09-13T22:20:06 < Ecco> ok I did put some on the PCB
2015-09-13T22:20:33 < Ecco> KSP fan already?
2015-09-13T22:20:47 < Ecco> it's pretty good :)
2015-09-13T22:20:52 < Ecco> worth the try
2015-09-13T22:21:37 < Ecco> back on the multimeter thing
2015-09-13T22:21:49 < Ecco> I'd like to measure how much power is eaten by my board
2015-09-13T22:21:59 < Ecco> Currently, I'm powering it via a 2.54mm-spaced header
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2015-09-13T22:25:53 < Ecco> how can I hook my multimeter to this?
2015-09-13T22:26:09 < Ecco> no :)
2015-09-13T22:26:14 < Ecco> I'm asking, physically
2015-09-13T22:26:26 < Ecco> I don't want to hold the multimeter
2015-09-13T22:26:34 < Ecco> I want to plug it in and forget it's here :)
2015-09-13T22:27:28 < Ecco> Hmm I guess I could do that
2015-09-13T22:30:36 < Fleck> http://imgur.com/gallery/1WbcyxF
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2015-09-13T23:10:44 < englishman> cant you just take a train to like bosnia and come back with some anti tank missiles and stuff
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2015-09-13T23:34:31 < englishman> felow europeans? lol
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2015-09-13T23:34:55 < englishman> how could i live without the queens head on my money
2015-09-13T23:37:51 < kakimir> what happens when kiev joins eu?
2015-09-13T23:38:03 < kakimir> tell me R2COM
2015-09-13T23:42:02 < ReadError> requesting proof of actually russian
2015-09-13T23:42:08 < ReadError> fpv russian had everyone fooled
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2015-09-13T23:42:16 < ReadError> he turned out to be some redneck from Georgia
2015-09-13T23:42:25 < yan_> do i need to do something special to get semihosting+gcc working other than passing '-lrdimon --specs=rdimon.spics'? i'm seeing "undefined reference to `initialise_monitor_handles'" and other errors
2015-09-13T23:43:35 < kakimir> isn't it enough if you look russian and talk with russian accent
2015-09-13T23:44:43 < kakimir> how bout greece
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2015-09-13T23:45:35 < kakimir> niggling european money no industry primitive agriculture. how could resource rich ukraine cause that much problem?
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2015-09-13T23:48:19 < kakimir> https://hereandsphere.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/ethnolingusitic_map_of_ukraine.png
2015-09-13T23:48:44  * yan_ was born in eastern ukraine and speaks russian
2015-09-13T23:49:17 < kakimir> doesn't military operations in ukraine follow this map?
2015-09-13T23:49:45 < kakimir> then it's quite ok for me
2015-09-13T23:50:23 < kakimir> that crimea would be part of russia
2015-09-13T23:50:44 < kakimir> that eastern ukraine had chance to form it's own state
2015-09-13T23:52:04 < kakimir> but turning eastern ukraine to literally russian land would be quite bold
2015-09-13T23:54:22 < kakimir> military strategy defending moscow speaks how things happen
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2015-09-13T23:54:44 < kakimir> buffer blocking areas
2015-09-13T23:56:06 < kakimir> would suck to be eastern ukrainian
2015-09-13T23:56:25 < kakimir> rejected buffer area
2015-09-13T23:56:51 < kakimir> :P
2015-09-13T23:57:34 < kakimir> you know moneyflow is as important as money itself
2015-09-13T23:57:40 < kakimir> keep you in the game
2015-09-13T23:59:52 < kakimir> nice lesson
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2015-09-14T00:02:15 < kakimir> planned visiting ukraine before the mess
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2015-09-14T00:04:56 < kakimir> peaceful, original, inexpensive
2015-09-14T00:05:54 < ReadError> heard they got some bad bishes in the ukraine too
2015-09-14T00:07:14 < kakimir> oligarcy
2015-09-14T00:09:53 < yan_> hey, anyone know how to detect what's causing a sigtrap in gdb w/ semihosting?
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2015-09-14T00:31:55 < Laurenceb_> 10TB bro
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2015-09-14T00:48:56 < PeterM> nah, hes got a perfectly curated library of DVDs, sorted and tagged
2015-09-14T00:52:40 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-09-14T00:52:48 < Laurenceb_> is 10TB available yet?
2015-09-14T00:53:13 < Laurenceb_> moar like cuckold and breeding
2015-09-14T01:00:44 < kakimir> you know R2COM steam+innovating doesn't occur
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2015-09-14T01:01:05 < kakimir> steam with over 1TB of games
2015-09-14T01:01:30 < kakimir> degenrate entertainment
2015-09-14T01:01:45 < kakimir> + consumes time like hell easily
2015-09-14T01:01:56 < kakimir> let me whip you
2015-09-14T01:02:06 < kakimir> true
2015-09-14T01:02:58 < kakimir> every day until you get wheels turning
2015-09-14T01:03:24 < kakimir> good
2015-09-14T01:04:25 < kakimir> mine.. not so much
2015-09-14T01:06:35 < kakimir> what is wire gauge about in those atx case twisted pairs for leds and stuff?
2015-09-14T01:07:52 < kakimir> 22AWG?
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2015-09-14T01:39:51 < yan_> anyone know if there's a better way than a .map file to see how the bss section/ram was laid out?
2015-09-14T01:40:15 < upgrdman> R2COM, so do you like in Murica permanently, or just an extended stay?
2015-09-14T01:40:20 < upgrdman> *live in
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2015-09-14T01:54:56 < upgrdman> this sterling engine looks look a cock n balls. lol... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx1OSlsICmU&feature=youtu.be
2015-09-14T01:54:57 < kakimir> I wonder the same
2015-09-14T01:56:04 < kakimir> camless stirling best stirling
2015-09-14T01:57:26 < kakimir> *linear
2015-09-14T01:58:11 < kakimir> only thing robust enought to put out real energy in microgenerator use
2015-09-14T01:58:27 < kakimir> no bearings, nothing
2015-09-14T02:01:57 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://31.media.tumblr.com/31166801fda73f2ac712b258a54c448e/tumblr_ni59tvnInM1slt6qeo1_500.gif
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2015-09-14T02:22:12 < kakimir> ufo pornoo!
2015-09-14T02:22:52 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHKdaqLysAY
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2015-09-14T02:30:27 < upgrdman> lolol   http://i.imgur.com/NJAuCkv.gifv
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2015-09-14T02:38:09 < kakimir> my friend at gym
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2015-09-14T02:38:34 < kakimir> does everything like that
2015-09-14T02:40:26 < kakimir> help me chose basic wire for dupont connectors
2015-09-14T02:46:04 < kakimir> there is gauges and strandings :/
2015-09-14T02:46:36 < kakimir> and stranded wires can be bigger as gauges are by copper area
2015-09-14T02:46:46 < kakimir> *are
2015-09-14T02:48:19 < upgrdman> uh, go with maybe 22-24awg, stranded?
2015-09-14T02:48:36 < kakimir> and there are murican units involved and i'm tired and and
2015-09-14T02:49:21 < kakimir> would be interesting to be amurican engineer in company that forces imperial units
2015-09-14T02:49:53 < upgrdman> im an american ee. we use metric for ~everything
2015-09-14T02:50:09 < kakimir> sane people do
2015-09-14T02:50:57 < upgrdman> and i've never seen a company that uses imperial unless they have to (to be compat. with something else, or to meet customer requirements)
2015-09-14T02:52:19 < kakimir> mouser sells just 100ft spools
2015-09-14T02:52:38 < kakimir> 5colors it would do 120eur 0% vat
2015-09-14T02:52:50 < kakimir> maybe not
2015-09-14T02:53:04 < kakimir> ebay time
2015-09-14T02:57:02 < kakimir> 24AWG stranded should be on safe side
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2015-09-14T03:00:05 < kakimir> some chinese wires fall to pieces
2015-09-14T03:06:57 < upgrdman> kakimir, how many conductors do you need?
2015-09-14T03:07:08 < kakimir> strands?
2015-09-14T03:07:09 < upgrdman> if i need <=4, my favorite wire is usb kybd/mouse cable
2015-09-14T03:07:16 < upgrdman> no like sepeate wires
2015-09-14T03:08:56 < kakimir> combinations for twisted pairs
2015-09-14T03:09:12 < kakimir> some custom wire harnesses
2015-09-14T03:09:16 < kakimir> stuff like that
2015-09-14T03:09:22 < kakimir> in device
2015-09-14T03:09:42 < kakimir> outside device I use sma
2015-09-14T03:09:46 < kakimir> coax :D
2015-09-14T03:09:57 < kakimir> no just kiddin
2015-09-14T03:15:04 < kakimir> 9different colors ordered so I can do rainbows
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2015-09-14T03:19:18 < GargantuaSauce> rainbow ribbon cables all day erryday
2015-09-14T03:29:36 < kakimir> finnish skit series from 90s
2015-09-14T03:30:02 < kakimir> intelligent entertainment
2015-09-14T03:33:46 < kakimir> some survived but some have all those skits burned in their minds permanently
2015-09-14T03:35:38 < upgrdman> sweet. got my 4 amp gate drivers ordered. my FETs will now have to OBEY ME.
2015-09-14T03:36:40 < kakimir> all FETs under this sun will obey
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2015-09-14T03:36:53 < kakimir> why 4A upgrdman ?
2015-09-14T03:37:25 < upgrdman> because my 150mA drivers could handle driving my FETs
2015-09-14T03:38:21 < upgrdman> im using some low RdsON, high current TO220s
2015-09-14T03:38:28 < upgrdman> with an input capacitance of almost 10nF
2015-09-14T03:38:34 < kakimir> sounds sweet
2015-09-14T03:38:48 < upgrdman> so rise time was shit. could barely pwm supersonic
2015-09-14T03:39:11 < kakimir> are you going hypersonic with it?
2015-09-14T03:39:14 < upgrdman> that SEPIC i linked last week
2015-09-14T03:39:35 < upgrdman> because sonic pwm to an inductor annoys the fuck out of me?
2015-09-14T03:39:58 < upgrdman> on second thought, maybe a SEPIC that plays the Super Mario Song could have it's uses
2015-09-14T03:40:24 < GargantuaSauce> dont worry, the control loop will probably oscillate at some audible frequency under particular load conditions anyway
2015-09-14T03:40:28 < kakimir> I wonder if ultrasonic switching fucks brains out of dogs and cats
2015-09-14T03:40:36 < kakimir> and bats
2015-09-14T03:41:05 < upgrdman> R2COM, i plan to drive this at ~100kHz, and make it synchronous     http://www.farrellf.com/temp/sepic_converter_revA.jpg
2015-09-14T03:41:05 < GargantuaSauce> i find those ultrasonic rodent repellers really fucking annoying
2015-09-14T03:41:14 < GargantuaSauce> cant hear the tone but it's modulated at 120hz
2015-09-14T03:41:29 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, well i did a boost converter at like 50kHz and couldn't heat shit with a 80W load on it
2015-09-14T03:41:46 < GargantuaSauce> i love you capacitor family
2015-09-14T03:41:50 < upgrdman> and i can hear a little past 19kHz
2015-09-14T03:42:03 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, ya i know... i didnt have any high voltage caps laying around.
2015-09-14T03:42:10 < upgrdman> so i pulled those from a CRT monitor PCB
2015-09-14T03:42:13 < kakimir> do you have like goals another than learning?
2015-09-14T03:42:19 < upgrdman> hench shit output caps, but nichicon input cap :)
2015-09-14T03:42:23 < kakimir> performancewise
2015-09-14T03:42:52 < upgrdman> kakimir, not really. it'd be nice if i could do 100W, and go from 0 to 20V with 5V input. not sure how realistic that is.
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2015-09-14T03:43:14 < kakimir> what is that box
2015-09-14T03:43:22 < kakimir> disco in box?
2015-09-14T03:43:55 < upgrdman> no
2015-09-14T03:43:59 < upgrdman> my custom made servo tester
2015-09-14T03:44:06 < GargantuaSauce> with spectrum analyzer e_e
2015-09-14T03:44:10 < upgrdman> that i have since added a raw timer mode to, for this kind of fuckery
2015-09-14T03:44:13 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-14T03:44:15 < upgrdman> and tetris
2015-09-14T03:44:36 < upgrdman> kakimir, http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-09-27_Servo_Tester,_2.4GHz_Spectrum_Analyzer,_Tetris/
2015-09-14T03:45:02 < GargantuaSauce> was that really a year ago already? fuck
2015-09-14T03:45:12 < upgrdman> i still need to get bluetooth going on it.
2015-09-14T03:45:34 < upgrdman> R2COM, giving me a more intuitive feel for inductors and caps.
2015-09-14T03:46:05 < upgrdman> and i can see myself wants a SMPS that can go above or below the input voltage
2015-09-14T03:46:16 < upgrdman> and SEPIC was the easier next choice, since i've done a boost
2015-09-14T03:46:24 < kakimir> nice telemetry software you have there
2015-09-14T03:46:28 < upgrdman> plan to try Cúk next
2015-09-14T03:46:35 < kakimir> almost makes me cry
2015-09-14T03:46:41 < upgrdman> kakimir, thx
2015-09-14T03:46:44 < upgrdman> why?
2015-09-14T03:47:09 < kakimir> it's beautyful
2015-09-14T03:47:45 < upgrdman> the code isn't :)
2015-09-14T03:47:56 < upgrdman> but ya, it fucking works. so yay for me.
2015-09-14T03:48:01 < kakimir> wait sliders are used for jerking :x
2015-09-14T03:48:26 < upgrdman> sliders show live view of data points. line graphs can be pop'd up for any data point(s)
2015-09-14T03:48:53 < kakimir> can you move sliders with pointer?
2015-09-14T03:49:37 < kakimir> those should be like grayed out to indicate no pointer action on it
2015-09-14T03:49:51 < kakimir> but less visible
2015-09-14T03:49:58 < yan_> hm anyone know why $sp would be initialized with 0xe0042300 instead of the first value in the vector table?
2015-09-14T03:50:20 < yan_> (stm32l1, cortex m3)
2015-09-14T03:50:32 < upgrdman> kakimir, i didnt disable them because i didn't want them desaturated.
2015-09-14T03:50:50 < upgrdman> so yes you can click and drag them, but the next update... in like 1ms... will redraw it correctly.
2015-09-14T03:51:25 < upgrdman> yan_, no idea. but i would be tempted to comb through the linker script
2015-09-14T03:52:12 < yan_> upgrdman: i tried to and it looks fine; it's the unchanged libopencm3 script.. starts with 'SECTIONS { .text : { *(.vectors) ....'
2015-09-14T03:52:54 < upgrdman> :( dunno then
2015-09-14T03:53:11 < upgrdman> maybe since step starting at reset?
2015-09-14T03:53:16 < upgrdman> err single step*
2015-09-14T03:53:43 < kakimir> isn't there some gauge widgets in graphics libs?
2015-09-14T03:53:55 < yan_> upgrdman: yep, that's how i arrived that it was set incorrectly.. as soon as reset_handler is hit, i dump registers
2015-09-14T03:54:09 < yan_> and then it executes okay until it needs to call a func (i.e. use the stack) it hard faults
2015-09-14T03:54:23 < upgrdman> yan_, this is beyond my knownledge. maybe someone more pro can chime in.
2015-09-14T03:54:56 < upgrdman> kakimir, i looked into it, and sorta said "fuck it. i can just nig rig it in less time that it would take to learn a proper lib"
2015-09-14T03:55:13 < upgrdman> i have since found a very line graph/chart lib, but it doesnt have gauges.
2015-09-14T03:55:25 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-14T03:55:44 < upgrdman> but line graph, bar graphs, histograms, lollipop charts... i can now do with a nice lib
2015-09-14T03:56:13 < upgrdman> i wrote some app for work that did roll-mode-oscope type of line graph, FFTs, and voltage histograms
2015-09-14T03:56:45 < upgrdman> jfreechart, if you use java
2015-09-14T03:56:58 < upgrdman> pretty easy to use once you get past a bit of learning curve
2015-09-14T03:57:09 < upgrdman> makes charts that look like office/excel style
2015-09-14T03:57:17 < yan_> huh well i'll be damned, i have two dev boards.. one of them starts just fine, the other one starts with incorrect sp
2015-09-14T03:57:23 < yan_> identicaly firmware
2015-09-14T03:57:46 < dongs> 09/11/2015 19:20 Arrival at inward office of exchange AMC JFK NY
2015-09-14T03:57:49 < dongs> lol'd
2015-09-14T03:58:05 < upgrdman> ?
2015-09-14T03:58:18 < dongs> 09/11/2015 19:20 Arrival at inward office of exchange AMC JFK NY
2015-09-14T03:58:19 < dongs> duno
2015-09-14T03:58:36 < dongs> my post barely missed hitting wtc.
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2015-09-14T04:06:30 < upgrdman> what's dongulating?
2015-09-14T04:06:56 < kakimir> I need arc barrier film. what materials you would recommend?
2015-09-14T04:07:41 < upgrdman> is kapton good for that?
2015-09-14T04:07:58 < upgrdman> what do they use in transformer? looks opaque yellow
2015-09-14T04:10:35 < kakimir> glass
2015-09-14T04:12:44 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-09-14T04:13:19 < kakimir> kapton seems to be more like a adhessive tape material
2015-09-14T04:13:35 < kakimir> I need sodil arc barrier
2015-09-14T04:13:37 < kakimir> solid
2015-09-14T04:14:14 < upgrdman> it'd be hilarious if we found out a few years down the road that "sup dongs" is a code phrase that triggers missles in the middle east or something.
2015-09-14T04:14:36 < upgrdman> and one of the idling fuckers in here is a bot that triggers the missles
2015-09-14T04:17:14 < kakimir> kapton temperature ranges to 260celsius temperature
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2015-09-14T04:18:36 < kakimir> continious
2015-09-14T04:18:45 < kakimir> that is why it's in transformers
2015-09-14T04:20:22 < kakimir> and in 3d printer build surfaces
2015-09-14T04:22:38 < kakimir> future uses in solar sails
2015-09-14T04:22:53 < yan_> man this board is getting even weirder.. i give it power, it doesn't start until i hit reset, then it starts just fine with correct $sp value
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2015-09-14T04:23:46 < upgrdman> R2COM, why does this missle seemingly pause and zig-zag a few times before hitting the tank?  http://gfycat.com/TightExcellentAoudad
2015-09-14T04:24:29 < upgrdman> yan_, timing issue? not sure if flash wait state being wrong could cause this.
2015-09-14T04:25:04 < upgrdman> R2COM, well ya, but though you might know.
2015-09-14T04:25:05 < upgrdman> ok
2015-09-14T04:30:14 < kakimir> rotation stabilizes its bearing
2015-09-14T04:30:31 < kakimir> and angle
2015-09-14T04:38:59 < kakimir> it has small bomb inside it too
2015-09-14T04:42:00 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-14T04:42:19 < upgrdman> i'll use it with a peltier plate to generate MAD WATTZ YO
2015-09-14T04:43:35 < GargantuaSauce> dongs is just a fancy numbers station
2015-09-14T04:43:36 < GargantuaSauce> i like it
2015-09-14T04:53:41 < dongs> sup?
2015-09-14T04:54:10 < upgrdman> "why do these fags keep saying my name?"
2015-09-14T04:56:15 < upgrdman> ?
2015-09-14T04:56:36 < upgrdman> me and you and garagantua
2015-09-14T04:56:57 < upgrdman> nevermind
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2015-09-14T05:09:27 < dongs> oh
2015-09-14T05:09:31 < dongs> R2DONG
2015-09-14T05:09:36 < dongs> i have another fucking allegro shit to convert :|
2015-09-14T05:09:43 < dongs> i should just pirate that garbage
2015-09-14T05:09:47 < dongs> but I'm so legit :/
2015-09-14T05:10:02 < dongs> http://www.intel.com/support/galileo/sb/CS-035279.htm
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2015-09-14T05:10:43 < ds2> convert to what?
2015-09-14T05:10:51 < dongs> allegro ascii shit
2015-09-14T05:10:54 < ds2> OrCAD reads it
2015-09-14T05:10:59 < dongs> for its the only thing altium imports
2015-09-14T05:11:04 < dongs> i dont use orcocks
2015-09-14T05:11:15 < ds2> Oh
2015-09-14T05:11:18 < ds2> OrCAD is cheap
2015-09-14T05:11:25 < kakimir> http://images.travexpress.net/trains/111/0lg.jpg this?
2015-09-14T05:11:25 < dongs> its also shit
2015-09-14T05:11:39 < ds2> altim is trash and costs 2 arms and 2 legs
2015-09-14T05:11:44 < kakimir> kicad
2015-09-14T05:11:50 < dongs> ds2, ha ha ha.
2015-09-14T05:12:00 < ds2> 10K vs 1.5K
2015-09-14T05:12:05 < ds2> so....
2015-09-14T05:12:16 < dongs> ds2, 1.5K gets you equivalent of eagle
2015-09-14T05:12:35 < ds2> *shrug*
2015-09-14T05:12:43 < dongs> ...
2015-09-14T05:13:23 < ds2> there is no lower cost entry point for altium
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2015-09-14T05:15:02 < dongs> o wait looks like i already have it
2015-09-14T05:15:06 < dongs> time to load up vm
2015-09-14T05:20:15 < kakimir> kicad
2015-09-14T05:27:38 < dongs> why teh fuck doesnt windows XP run on intel quark
2015-09-14T05:29:46 < upgrdman> lulz zp
2015-09-14T05:29:50 < upgrdman> *xp
2015-09-14T05:29:55 < dongs> you got better ideas?
2015-09-14T05:30:00 < upgrdman> win98se?
2015-09-14T05:30:04 < dongs> it has no MMX or SIMD which is i think a requirement
2015-09-14T05:30:07 < dongs> for anything higher
2015-09-14T05:30:35 < dongs> has anyone?
2015-09-14T05:32:15 < upgrdman> god damn it. why do >35V MLCCs cost so damn much
2015-09-14T05:32:35 < dongs> you picked wrong size
2015-09-14T05:32:40 < upgrdman> whos dick do i have to suck to get 10uF 100V MLCC's for <$1
2015-09-14T05:32:41 < dongs> thats usually the sign
2015-09-14T05:32:52 < upgrdman> i didnt even pick a size
2015-09-14T05:32:54 < dongs> I think the biggest 100V i had was 4.7
2015-09-14T05:33:03 < upgrdman> ok
2015-09-14T05:33:14 < upgrdman> but what kinda price for someone without a chinagirl?
2015-09-14T05:33:26 < upgrdman> i have some 10uF 100V MLCCs but they're like $6 each
2015-09-14T05:33:46 < dongs> 1210 4.7uF 100V 	SMD	100	$0.12
2015-09-14T05:33:47 < dongs> lol
2015-09-14T05:33:51 < upgrdman> where at
2015-09-14T05:33:54 < dongs> chiangirl :(
2015-09-14T05:34:11 < dongs> i think i looked it up at digikey and gave a part#
2015-09-14T05:34:13 < upgrdman> how many on a reel?
2015-09-14T05:34:24 < dongs> well i bought 100, 1210 reel i think mayb 1k or so
2015-09-14T05:35:34 < dongs> C3225X7S2A475K200AB
2015-09-14T05:35:36 < dongs> this is the part#
2015-09-14T05:35:38 < dongs> its some TDK thing
2015-09-14T05:36:00 < upgrdman> cheapest i found on mouser   http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Murata-Electronics/GRJ32DC72A475KE11L/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs7ZEmUmaUL095VTRY2Ptou%2fGQJOqyFNwIq%252bEPXFKwUag%3d%3d
2015-09-14T05:36:40 < upgrdman> lol ya that tdk one is like $1.50 each
2015-09-14T05:36:42 < upgrdman> :(
2015-09-14T05:36:53 < upgrdman> 0.72 if qty100
2015-09-14T05:37:00 < upgrdman> still getting raped
2015-09-14T05:45:17 < upgrdman> why is this 4.7uF 100V MLCC so fucking big? 2220. http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/technologies/passives/capacitors/ceramic-capacitors/multilayer-ceramic-capacitors/Pages/7484892-GRM55ER72A475KA01L.aspx?IM=0
2015-09-14T05:45:45 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-14T05:47:40 < dongs> < R2COM> why dont you use this
2015-09-14T05:47:43 < dongs> haha
2015-09-14T05:48:12 < dongs> i dont wanna "upgrade" from altidong to allegro
2015-09-14T05:48:24 < dongs> o wait
2015-09-14T05:48:44 < dongs> yes, but it only reads .alg files
2015-09-14T05:48:45 < dongs> the ascii shit
2015-09-14T05:48:48 < dongs> that altidong exporter makes
2015-09-14T05:49:12 < dongs> thats ok tho I forgot i grabbed 16.6 back in march, im gonna stick that trash on a vm
2015-09-14T05:49:22 < dongs> yes
2015-09-14T05:49:32 < dongs> An Altium Designer workstation that does not have a licensed Allegro installation is able to import Allegro ASCII Extract files (*.alg). The following procedure enables a Licensed Allegro user to convert Allegro binary *.brd files to Altium compatible *.alg files. The conversion must be run on the Allegro licensed machine.
2015-09-14T05:49:49 < dongs> near bottom of paeg
2015-09-14T05:50:03 < dongs> i think .brd import works if you have alleglol installed side by side
2015-09-14T05:50:13 < dongs> otherwise they make you run the batch shit on allegro machine
2015-09-14T05:50:30 < dongs> haha.
2015-09-14T05:50:43 < dongs> only if you wanna do anything useful
2015-09-14T05:50:48 < dongs> then you still need altium
2015-09-14T05:51:18 < dongs> you should
2015-09-14T05:51:19 < dongs> a2a.zip
2015-09-14T05:51:42 < dongs> and "USING ASCII CONVERSION TO IMPORT WITHOUT ALLEGRO" from that url you have
2015-09-14T05:51:53 < dongs> you'll need open command prompt where allegro shit is in path
2015-09-14T05:54:34 < dongs> attn R2COM / ds2 http://www.altium.com/switch-to-altium-designer-0/
2015-09-14T06:01:46 < dongs> thats an amazing custom url
2015-09-14T06:03:01 < dongs> importing
2015-09-14T06:03:04 < dongs> i forgot to restart altidong
2015-09-14T06:03:06 < dongs> i bet it will crash
2015-09-14T06:03:08 < dongs> like last time
2015-09-14T06:05:28 < dongs> neat.. its broken out using 10/20 vias
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2015-09-14T06:06:28 < dongs> heh no onboard DDR termination
2015-09-14T06:06:29 < dongs> such fun
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2015-09-14T06:12:52 < upgrdman> any artists (painters) in here?
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2015-09-14T06:18:58 < dongs> heh, R2COM if you look at that board, layers 1/2/bottom were made by pros and the rest by arduino in eagle
2015-09-14T06:19:09 < dongs> the arduino layer is just a waste of connections
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2015-09-14T06:29:34 < upgrdman> cool
2015-09-14T06:29:38 < upgrdman> know about brush types?
2015-09-14T06:29:47 < upgrdman> like, i have a camel hair brush
2015-09-14T06:29:57 < upgrdman> it's been very useful when etching my pcbs
2015-09-14T06:30:03 < upgrdman> time to get a new one
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2015-09-14T06:30:10 < upgrdman> is camel hair a good choice? something else?
2015-09-14T06:48:08 < upgrdman> for something soft
2015-09-14T06:48:16 < upgrdman> that wont damage photomasks
2015-09-14T06:59:04 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://i.imgur.com/c1nk8zA.gifv
2015-09-14T07:01:12 < upgrdman> dongs, http://imgur.com/VJ8qpx1
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2015-09-14T07:06:18 < upgrdman> well it just needs to be soft
2015-09-14T07:06:30 < upgrdman> e.g. the shit used to paint walls would be too damn stiff
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2015-09-14T07:13:04 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COw7IBpWcAALVPQ.jpg:orig
2015-09-14T07:13:32 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-14T07:13:41 < dongs> upgrdman: ive seen that before
2015-09-14T07:13:48 < upgrdman> wtf is it with people who go to religous colleges
2015-09-14T07:13:50 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-14T07:13:54 < dongs> the R2COM aimed pic that is
2015-09-14T07:14:03 < dongs> spoiler too big, abort retry ignore
2015-09-14T07:15:54 < dongs> holy fuck
2015-09-14T07:16:01 < dongs> orcocks 16.6 is like 2012
2015-09-14T07:16:08 < dongs> such trash
2015-09-14T07:16:15 < dongs> they just have 60 service packs
2015-09-14T07:16:20 < dongs> patching up trash
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2015-09-14T07:45:38 < dongs> R2COM: oh, the rutorrent special then
2015-09-14T07:45:42 < dongs> Version 16.6-2015
2015-09-14T07:45:49 < dongs> 3oth anniversary release
2015-09-14T07:45:50 < dongs> llz
2015-09-14T07:46:18 < dongs> and that opened that .brd I sent you?
2015-09-14T07:46:20 < dongs> ill grab that instead.
2015-09-14T07:46:22 < dongs> its only 1.6gb
2015-09-14T07:46:32 < dongs> i unrar'd the 16.6 pack i had in march and its full of aids
2015-09-14T07:46:35 < dongs> from like 2011
2015-09-14T07:47:11 < upgrdman> "tented" vias means covered in solder mask, right?
2015-09-14T07:47:16 < dongs> yes
2015-09-14T07:47:32 < upgrdman> why might you want to tent or not tent? other than to make it easy to probe your circuit
2015-09-14T07:47:32 < dongs> but
2015-09-14T07:47:46 < dongs> could also refer to actually really plugging them w/copper
2015-09-14T07:47:49 < dongs> upgrdman: that
2015-09-14T07:47:55 < dongs> and you dont want untented vias under BGA
2015-09-14T07:48:13 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-14T07:48:51 < upgrdman> like why is this ground stitching not tented?  https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/simain.png?w=1600
2015-09-14T07:49:37 < dongs> lol bedause dumb
2015-09-14T07:49:39 < dongs> becayuse
2015-09-14T07:49:45 < dongs> no reason for it not to be
2015-09-14T07:51:49 < dongs> upgrdman: lollll https://j.gifs.com/y7lla8.gif
2015-09-14T07:52:51 < upgrdman> damn
2015-09-14T07:53:29 < dongs> the guy that gets ejected halfway through the turn off-screen is going FAST
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2015-09-14T08:04:16 < dongs> i think ive seen that
2015-09-14T08:04:24 < dongs> ya seen
2015-09-14T08:08:15 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-14T08:08:40 < dongs> lol dude the4y're just hoping they can sell you $25k version
2015-09-14T08:08:42 < dongs> after that cock massage
2015-09-14T08:08:50 < upgrdman> when i reg'd for an altium trial with my work email, the altium faggots called my cell phone like 4 times a week for about 5 weeks.
2015-09-14T08:08:58 < dongs> haha
2015-09-14T08:09:04 < upgrdman> never do that again.
2015-09-14T08:09:28 < upgrdman> next time i use the work number. i didn't use it because i didn't want to bother looking it up when reg'ing for the demo
2015-09-14T08:10:03 < upgrdman> they finally stopped calling me when my boss added me to the license pool
2015-09-14T08:11:06 < upgrdman> prolly
2015-09-14T08:11:18 < upgrdman> the first time they called i answered my phone.
2015-09-14T08:11:30 < upgrdman> dude sounded like he wanted to be the father of my children or someshit
2015-09-14T08:13:15 < talsit> how do you get altium to force complete tenting by default??
2015-09-14T08:14:51 < dongs> talsit: you dont, use pcb inspector to selct allvias and tent them
2015-09-14T08:14:58 < dongs> then make a new template in your lib w/tented stuff and use  those
2015-09-14T08:15:45 < talsit> right, cheers
2015-09-14T08:16:00 < dongs> 15,1 added some via template stuff
2015-09-14T08:16:02 < dongs> its been buggy tho
2015-09-14T08:16:19 < dongs> so i usually just select all after finishing design to amke sure they're all tented
2015-09-14T08:16:48 < ds2> tenting is so easy with Eagle :P
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2015-09-14T08:18:34 < dongs> does it even support it
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2015-09-14T08:20:38 < hesperaux> anyone here use IAR or Keil privately?
2015-09-14T08:20:51 < dongs> iar sux
2015-09-14T08:21:14 < hesperaux> upgrdman, wow. Just saw your thing about Altium
2015-09-14T08:21:21 < dongs> heh
2015-09-14T08:21:32 < hesperaux> what bugs me is that job offers often require Altium, IAR, Keil, etc. experience
2015-09-14T08:21:50 < dongs> http://s14.postimg.org/eby6piq8x/IMG_20150912_213752.jpg
2015-09-14T08:21:56 < hesperaux> If you don't work at a place (I could stop there) that uses them, why would you have experience in that? Btw this is for entry level positions
2015-09-14T08:22:00 < upgrdman> hesperaux, i used a torrented altium for a month or two
2015-09-14T08:22:12 < upgrdman> only problem is no vault
2015-09-14T08:22:17 < hesperaux> I guess that's an option....
2015-09-14T08:22:20 < upgrdman> so you cant be a lazy fuck and use nice symbosl
2015-09-14T08:22:23 < hesperaux> Is it worth it though?
2015-09-14T08:22:29 < hesperaux> ah
2015-09-14T08:22:30 < Fleck> morning peeps!
2015-09-14T08:22:30 < upgrdman> worth buying?
2015-09-14T08:22:31 < hesperaux> then no
2015-09-14T08:22:37 < hesperaux> upgrdman, worth using, regardless
2015-09-14T08:22:38 < ds2> of course it does
2015-09-14T08:22:41 < ds2> done it many times
2015-09-14T08:22:42 < hesperaux> I've been using Design Spark lately
2015-09-14T08:22:43 < upgrdman> its not bad
2015-09-14T08:22:56 < ds2> design spark is spyware
2015-09-14T08:22:58 < upgrdman> im used to geda... so uh, ya. altium is nice.
2015-09-14T08:23:01 < hesperaux> I've never worked hard enough to complete a circuit design, so eh
2015-09-14T08:23:03 < dongs> designspark is awful
2015-09-14T08:23:15 < hesperaux> why do you say that?
2015-09-14T08:23:19 < hesperaux> spyware you say?
2015-09-14T08:24:24 < dongs> duno about spyware
2015-09-14T08:24:32 < dongs> it just sux, im trying toe remember wat it was called before designspark
2015-09-14T08:24:40 < hesperaux> I think it's pretty nice
2015-09-14T08:24:41 < dongs> it was some freepcb thing that was bundled wiht another pcb manufacturing service
2015-09-14T08:24:44 < dongs> expresspcb?
2015-09-14T08:24:51 < hesperaux> it was very easy to create symbols and footprints
2015-09-14T08:24:53 < dongs> ah exp[resspcb is still a thing
2015-09-14T08:25:09 < hesperaux> dongs, what do you hate about it?
2015-09-14T08:25:25 < dongs> nothing, i thought it was next version of expresspcb. it isn't so, then I dont know.
2015-09-14T08:25:31 < hesperaux> ah, ok
2015-09-14T08:25:44 < dongs> i wouldnt be using it, i'm like 98% altidong / 2% diptrace now
2015-09-14T08:25:53 < hesperaux> side question: anybody here actually simulate their designs?
2015-09-14T08:25:56 < dongs> diptrace for legacy shit I don't wanna redo / don't need to redo, any new projects in altium
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2015-09-14T08:26:21 < hesperaux> dongs, what kind of altium license do you have, or is it a FreeBeer license?
2015-09-14T08:26:35 < hesperaux> also, I tried diptrace for a while. I don't know
2015-09-14T08:26:38 < dongs> they don't have different tiers
2015-09-14T08:26:40 < hesperaux> I hate doing schematics/PCB shit
2015-09-14T08:26:52 < hesperaux> dongs, ok. I've never even looked into it to be honest
2015-09-14T08:27:05 < dongs> whats wrong with diptrace?
2015-09-14T08:27:13 < hesperaux> don't know
2015-09-14T08:27:18 < dongs> hate doing schematic/pcb shit as in , separate apps for it?
2015-09-14T08:27:19 < dongs> or wat
2015-09-14T08:27:20 < hesperaux> I don't know why I stopped using ‎it
2015-09-14T08:27:33 < hesperaux> in general, it is just annoying and I don't know what the hell I'm doing
2015-09-14T08:27:37 < dongs> or hate it in general, in that case maybe find a new hobby? :)
2015-09-14T08:27:43 < hesperaux> which is true of making hardware at all :)
2015-09-14T08:27:48 < hesperaux> lol
2015-09-14T08:27:54 < hesperaux> the problem is I like embedded a lot
2015-09-14T08:28:01 < dongs> i bet oyu use lunix
2015-09-14T08:28:04 < hesperaux> but I don't do anything useful because I never have analog shit
2015-09-14T08:28:05 < dongs> a lot
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2015-09-14T08:28:24 < hesperaux> dongs, what do you mean?
2015-09-14T08:28:28 < hesperaux> I use lots of things
2015-09-14T08:28:32 < dongs> what is your desktop OS of choice
2015-09-14T08:28:55 < hesperaux> right now, I mostly use win8.1. my servers run linux and my data is on linux
2015-09-14T08:29:20 < hesperaux> I used to use either gentoo, archlinux, or debian as my main OS (in college)
2015-09-14T08:29:41 < hesperaux> takes too much time to maintain as a daily driver so now I just use linux for servers
2015-09-14T08:31:11 < ds2> ll those "free" packages are spyware
2015-09-14T08:31:16 < ds2> a
2015-09-14T08:31:22 < hesperaux> ds2, please explain your claim
2015-09-14T08:31:40 < dongs> anyone using designspark probably  doesn't have much to steal in teh first place
2015-09-14T08:31:41 < hesperaux> for example, how do you know it is spyware, and why can you claim that all free packages are?
2015-09-14T08:31:48 < dongs> its not like you'll ever be doing some high end NDA design in it
2015-09-14T08:32:02 < hesperaux> dongs, this is true
2015-09-14T08:32:27 < ds2> if you are fine with giving away all your designs...
2015-09-14T08:33:01 < dongs> ds2, you must be confusing wiht circuitmaker
2015-09-14T08:33:02 < hesperaux> ds2, I'm still not seeing any reasons
2015-09-14T08:33:38 < ds2> dongs:I looked at the RS offerings
2015-09-14T08:33:46 < dongs> circuitstudio truly IS aids
2015-09-14T08:33:54 < dongs> it costs MORE than eagle, and its just a glorified circuitmaker
2015-09-14T08:34:01 < dongs> with all the disadvantages of citcuitmaker
2015-09-14T08:34:04 < dongs> and none of hte benefits of altium
2015-09-14T08:34:06 < ds2> only software I am willing to trust is if they will work with a system that is never online.
2015-09-14T08:34:11 < dongs> yeh
2015-09-14T08:34:51 < upgrdman> so for use nmos for high side switching, its common to use a diode/capacitor charge pump to feed the gate driver. but that wouldn't work to replace D1 in this circuit with an nmos right, since the source of the nmos wouldn't really be changing in voltage very much?  http://www.mouser.com/images/microsites/TI-Bourns-Sepic.png
2015-09-14T08:35:00 < hesperaux> ds2, I understand why it raises suspicion, but it doesn't automatically mean it is spyware
2015-09-14T08:35:22 < ds2> hesperaux: I consider logging usage information to be spyware.
2015-09-14T08:35:29 < hesperaux> the online features of the program are to retrieve models from the repo
2015-09-14T08:35:41 < ds2> hesperaux: you have to get the "licenses"
2015-09-14T08:36:04 < ds2> try doing a brand new install on a system that is never connected online
2015-09-14T08:36:17 < hesperaux> ds2, do you use windows or linux?
2015-09-14T08:36:43 < ds2> hesperaux: windows is not allowed online. Linux is not a stock install.
2015-09-14T08:37:00 < hesperaux> i see
2015-09-14T08:37:04 < dongs> ds2, what the fuck actually. are you paranoid or something
2015-09-14T08:37:16 < hesperaux> lol
2015-09-14T08:37:20 < hesperaux> i thought I was paranoid
2015-09-14T08:37:23 < ds2> :)
2015-09-14T08:37:35 < ds2> if they want my information, they need to be upfront and pay me for it
2015-09-14T08:37:48 < ds2> I refuse to feed their habits
2015-09-14T08:37:56 < hesperaux> how would they contact you ds2? :)
2015-09-14T08:38:09 < ds2> they don't contact me. I contact them :P
2015-09-14T08:38:21 < hesperaux> goodnight R2COM
2015-09-14T08:38:28 < hesperaux> very well
2015-09-14T08:38:40 < ds2> not a fan of "sales"
2015-09-14T08:38:53 < hesperaux> anyway, what do you guys use for stm32 development?
2015-09-14T08:39:07 < ds2> gcc
2015-09-14T08:39:19 < hesperaux> what, with make or something?
2015-09-14T08:39:25 < ds2> of course
2015-09-14T08:39:27 < hesperaux> ok
2015-09-14T08:39:52 < dongs> http://blog.circuitmaker.com/#Blogs/octopart-and-circuitmaker
2015-09-14T08:40:23 < dongs> As I am writing this blog post, work is under way to bring Octopart back into CircuitMaker as the primary component database. Ciiva links will remain in the existing component and design revisions, but we.re going to create updated versions of all the components with their matching Octopart links as well.
2015-09-14T08:40:28 < dongs> loool
2015-09-14T08:40:29 < dongs> make up your fucking mind
2015-09-14T08:42:17 < hesperaux> dongs, is circuitmaker shit?
2015-09-14T08:42:35 < dongs> absolutely
2015-09-14T08:42:43 < dongs> their biggest problem was going with ribbon
2015-09-14T08:42:47 < zyp> probably depends what you compare it to
2015-09-14T08:42:48 < dongs> and removing altium keyboard shortcuts
2015-09-14T08:42:51 < dongs> instead of just making gimped altium
2015-09-14T08:43:04 < dongs> zyp, true
2015-09-14T08:43:51 < hesperaux> ribbon?
2015-09-14T08:44:03 < hesperaux> the UI design pattern used in MS Office?
2015-09-14T08:44:10 < dongs> right
2015-09-14T08:44:16 < hesperaux> gotcha
2015-09-14T08:44:36 < hesperaux> is the model database actually good?
2015-09-14T08:44:45 < dongs> ciiva? i duno, I draw my own components
2015-09-14T08:44:50 < dongs> i did steal STM32F407 from ciiva
2015-09-14T08:44:50 < hesperaux> i haven't found a PCB tool yet that is free and also has parts I need
2015-09-14T08:44:55 < dongs> just so i didnt have to redraw it
2015-09-14T08:45:03 < dongs> but thats rare
2015-09-14T08:45:08 < dongs> all my current library is my own drawn stuff
2015-09-14T08:45:10 < zyp> hesperaux, «has parts»?
2015-09-14T08:45:16 < ds2> does circuitmaker still have STEP output?
2015-09-14T08:45:19 < dongs> zxyp, i think he means library wiht o9k parts in it
2015-09-14T08:45:25 < dongs> ds2: hm, i think it does
2015-09-14T08:45:37 < hesperaux> well, last week I had to make a part for the DRV8301
2015-09-14T08:45:37 < dongs> lemme load this trash up
2015-09-14T08:45:38 < dongs> and see
2015-09-14T08:45:38 < ds2> so it is not that stripped
2015-09-14T08:45:47 < hesperaux> had to make one for AD8237
2015-09-14T08:45:52 < dongs> hesperaux: er and
2015-09-14T08:45:56 < zyp> hesperaux, sure? when I design boards I make all parts
2015-09-14T08:45:59 < hesperaux> and STM32F303
2015-09-14T08:46:21 < hesperaux> that's why I never finish - takes a long time to do that stuff and I'm lazy
2015-09-14T08:46:43 < dongs> get a new hobby, rly
2015-09-14T08:46:51 < dongs> collect animu or somethin
2015-09-14T08:46:53 < dongs> that doesnt take effort
2015-09-14T08:46:58 < zyp> well, in that case the problem is not that you're not using tools without a lot of parts, you're using tools that doesn't make it easy to make parts
2015-09-14T08:46:59 < hesperaux> i do lots of things that take effort
2015-09-14T08:47:23 < hesperaux> zyp, that's possible. So far, DesignSpark seems to be the easiest tool I've used for making parts
2015-09-14T08:47:38 < dongs> ds2: confirmed
2015-09-14T08:47:40 < dongs> has step output
2015-09-14T08:47:41 < dongs> for pcb
2015-09-14T08:47:49 < dongs> and i guess there's 3d models in the circuitdonger db
2015-09-14T08:47:56 < dongs> i dont have any real PCB in it to try
2015-09-14T08:48:04 < dongs> since i just use it for random dicking around cuz lack of keyboard shortcuts pisses me off
2015-09-14T08:48:08 < hesperaux> the problem tends to be that I have too many hobbies, though
2015-09-14T08:48:33 < ds2> does altium have a command line thesedays?
2015-09-14T08:48:48 < zyp> not that I've seen
2015-09-14T08:48:58 < dongs> why would you even need one
2015-09-14T08:49:02 < dongs> command line sounds like some eagle crap
2015-09-14T08:49:04 < zyp> but the hotkeys mostly make up for it
2015-09-14T08:49:06 < ds2> blah that is a performance hinderence
2015-09-14T08:49:12 < dongs> performance hindrance for what
2015-09-14T08:49:13 < ds2> cuz sometimes it is easier
2015-09-14T08:49:16 < dongs> to do what
2015-09-14T08:49:18 < dongs> example
2015-09-14T08:49:19 < ds2> like doing a find by component id
2015-09-14T08:49:24 < dongs> there's that
2015-09-14T08:49:25 < zyp> and yeah, I liked the eagle command line
2015-09-14T08:49:32 < dongs> you can find by component iD.
2015-09-14T08:49:37 < dongs> nexat?
2015-09-14T08:49:39 < dongs> next?
2015-09-14T08:50:06 < ds2> deleting only specific components by id
2015-09-14T08:50:14 < dongs> ?
2015-09-14T08:50:17 < zyp> also, the inspector thing that altium has (hit F11) is more powerful than anything eagle has
2015-09-14T08:50:23 < dongs> ^ this
2015-09-14T08:52:12 < zyp> and if you want to set parameters on commands, like «via gnd» in eagle, you just select the via command, hit tab to get the parameters dialog, pick the gnd net
2015-09-14T08:52:33 < dongs> (and you can still navigate teh dialog wiht keyboard mostly, so mouse is rarely involved)
2015-09-14T08:52:42 < zyp> yes
2015-09-14T08:52:43 < dongs> tab/shfit-tab
2015-09-14T08:55:09 < ds2> in Altium, how does one move a trace X mils over ?
2015-09-14T08:55:50 < dongs> select, ctrl+arrows for grid, or emm+jl to new location
2015-09-14T08:56:10 < dongs> (i asked about relative jump in jl for a similar thing few days ago)
2015-09-14T08:56:17 < ds2> you can't type in exactly how many mils to move?
2015-09-14T08:56:19 < dongs> i think one of edit->move things has offset
2015-09-14T08:56:20 < dongs> you can
2015-09-14T08:56:25 < dongs> jl = jump location
2015-09-14T08:56:30 < ds2> ah
2015-09-14T08:56:40 < ds2> so not as bad as some mcad
2015-09-14T08:56:41 < dongs> o yea
2015-09-14T08:56:44 < dongs> you can move by offset xy
2015-09-14T08:56:59 < ds2> i have having to setup constraints to move things in mcad
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2015-09-14T08:58:07 < ds2> i hate
2015-09-14T08:58:10 < dongs> anyway, yeah, edit->move->selection by xy, which can be a track or part or wahtever.
2015-09-14T08:58:22 < dongs> and xy is offset from current location.
2015-09-14T08:58:51 < dongs> i shoulda said that from beginning, cuz i use that a lot when aligning pads in shitty components that don't provide all dimensions on footprint
2015-09-14T08:59:11 < dongs> the thing that rages me the most is when they give distance between component pad EDGES
2015-09-14T08:59:15 < dongs> isntead of center
2015-09-14T08:59:38 < dongs> cuz then I have to bust out calc.exe and /2 the dimension and calculate where it should really be
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2015-09-14T09:01:28 < zyp> yeah, that's annoying
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2015-09-14T09:04:56 < dongs> anyway i duno, i've not found anything that really raged me about altium
2015-09-14T09:05:17 < dongs> the worst thing is probly eco scrolling by at like 1 line/second
2015-09-14T09:05:22 < dongs> when you import a large shcmeatic into pcb
2015-09-14T09:05:27 < ds2> yes, it is very annoying
2015-09-14T09:05:32 < dongs> but i think its actually gotten better in that regard
2015-09-14T09:05:45 < ds2> i have a seperate calc when doing parts
2015-09-14T09:05:53 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-14T09:06:06 < dongs> you almost need a desktop calculator unless you wanna break from your current work and do somethign
2015-09-14T09:06:13 < dongs> ;d
2015-09-14T09:06:49 < ds2> cad packages that let me enter equations would be major plus
2015-09-14T09:06:59 < ds2> ecad don't seemto allow that but mcad does
2015-09-14T09:07:14 < dongs> wat is m cad
2015-09-14T09:07:20 < ds2> mechanical cad
2015-09-14T09:07:32 < dongs> o, just general term k
2015-09-14T09:07:36 < ds2> like solidworks, pro-e, autocad, etc
2015-09-14T09:07:41 < ds2> vs electrical cad
2015-09-14T09:07:46 < dongs> rite
2015-09-14T09:08:20 < dongs> upgrdman: http://i.imgur.com/YTdFSdP.gifv
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2015-09-14T09:13:50 < akaWolf> dongs: Syria?
2015-09-14T09:13:59 < dongs> nah, flips
2015-09-14T09:14:03 < dongs> so nothing of value was lost
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2015-09-14T10:49:44 < dongs> PeterM: update on battery holders, they're still dicking with them. some excuses about mold or something, will update when they're ready to tweet.
2015-09-14T10:49:59 < dongs> cloners cant even get their shit right
2015-09-14T10:50:40 < Taxman> a holder for the CR2032?
2015-09-14T10:50:52 < dongs> pro holder.
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2015-09-14T11:31:20 < PeterM> dongs cheers for keeping me posted- i fuckin forgot about them again - cloning too muc shit at once
2015-09-14T11:31:30 < dongs> good
2015-09-14T11:32:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6jqfv3q.jpg check out 3d printer trash i saw in best korea
2015-09-14T11:33:48 < PeterM> nice, that actually loks useable unlike most 3d mess makers
2015-09-14T11:34:07 < dongs> ya. to bad its gipsum based so its brittle
2015-09-14T11:34:33 < dongs> but ok for pro
2015-09-14T11:34:36 < dongs> 3d show
2015-09-14T11:34:49 < PeterM> aww :( but gypsum is pretty heat resistant no? so you could make a mold with it, no?
2015-09-14T11:35:00 < dongs> yep definitely
2015-09-14T11:38:27 < jpa-> gypsum may be heat resistent, but isn't there a polymer-based binder there?
2015-09-14T11:38:51 < jpa-> IMO the gypsum prints are useless for anything except "i have to see what this will look like"
2015-09-14T11:39:28 < dongs> tell that to the dicks who dropped 70k on that printer
2015-09-14T11:39:45 < jpa-> what do they use it for?
2015-09-14T11:39:50 < PeterM> jpa-, probably would because he didn't just waste 70k :P
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2015-09-14T11:40:53 < jpa-> the local 3d printer place also has one of those full color powder printers.. haven't seen it used for anything useful so far, only demos "look colors"
2015-09-14T11:41:26 < jpa-> SLS polyamide with color would be cool
2015-09-14T11:47:15 < scrts_w> sup lads?
2015-09-14T11:47:26 < scrts_w> dongs: how is your zanocamera going?
2015-09-14T11:52:45 < dongs> scrts_w: on fedex. chinagirl tried to sneak fucking mooncakes into my shipment and shit got cockblocked by chinacustoms
2015-09-14T11:53:00 < dongs> so it is officially: late
2015-09-14T11:53:10 < dongs> need to stop jerking off and finish layout for the board too.
2015-09-14T11:54:03 < jpa-> lul wut
2015-09-14T11:56:16 < dongs> cloning hard
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2015-09-14T11:57:42 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZeqVahamYg haha
2015-09-14T11:57:45 < dongs> fucking maker stoners
2015-09-14T11:57:51 < dongs> look at that reffresh rate
2015-09-14T11:58:39 < dongs> what the serious suck
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2015-09-14T12:13:25 < PeterM> fuck galileo, get me some of those intel atom phone socs
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2015-09-14T12:15:37 < jpa-> why'd you want atom?
2015-09-14T12:16:26 < scrts_w> because of X86 of course!
2015-09-14T12:17:11 < PeterM> the atom phone SoC? because it is an afforable, high performance soc that uses all standart shit until qualcomm snapcock nda 4 life
2015-09-14T12:32:52 < scrts_w> what about sams exynos?
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2015-09-14T12:36:29 < PeterM> the high performance onces (ie, matchign the new atoms (z3580s etc) are much mopre expensive
2015-09-14T12:45:13 < scrts_w> what about freescale quad core socs?
2015-09-14T12:45:18 < scrts_w> still less performant?
2015-09-14T12:45:35 < PeterM> reasonable performance price is jsuts stupidly high then
2015-09-14T12:46:24 < PeterM> samsung is good pricing, but best pricing to samsung friends, intel is great pricing to everyone
2015-09-14T12:46:51 < PeterM> freescale is just "we're niche industrial market, gib us mooniez"
2015-09-14T12:56:15 < scrts_w> hm
2015-09-14T12:56:33 < scrts_w> can you send me a link to the atom thing you're talking about?
2015-09-14T12:58:26 < dongs> PeterM: thats waht edison is
2015-09-14T12:58:32 < dongs> but gpio is retarded
2015-09-14T12:58:36 < dongs> you dont get anything useful like pcie
2015-09-14T12:58:49 < dongs> and its layout is closed sores
2015-09-14T13:01:29 < scrts_w> same shit on Gen2?
2015-09-14T13:02:37 < dongs> gen2 what,
2015-09-14T13:02:50 < dongs> there's galileo (opensauce-ish, not atom, pcie, etc)
2015-09-14T13:03:03 < dongs> and edison (PoP mobile atom, no pcie, runs lannex
2015-09-14T13:03:20 < dongs> galileo has gen1/gen2 afaik, i duno about edison, i think theres only one version?
2015-09-14T13:03:25 < dongs> and a couple tarduino breakout shields for it.
2015-09-14T13:04:22 < dongs> like, im sure that atom has mipi dsi or csi
2015-09-14T13:04:26 < dongs> but its not brken out
2015-09-14T13:04:32 < dongs> the edison one
2015-09-14T13:05:13 < dongs> hgm yeah theres like 2-3 versionf of edison
2015-09-14T13:05:14 < dongs> haha
2015-09-14T13:05:43 < dongs> The board's main SoC is a 22 nm Intel Atom "Tangier" (Z34XX) that includes two Atom Silvermont cores running at 500 MHz and one Intel Quark core at 100 MHz
2015-09-14T13:05:46 < dongs> wut
2015-09-14T13:06:23 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/70103
2015-09-14T13:06:31 < dongs> they did a custom version of this just for edison?
2015-09-14T13:08:08 < dongs> hm amybe it is just that
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2015-09-14T13:08:53 < dongs> The Intel® Edison compute module does
2015-09-14T13:08:53 < dongs> not include any video input or output interfaces (MIPI CSI, MIPI DSI, HDMI, etc.). Internal image processing and
2015-09-14T13:08:56 < dongs> graphics processing cores are disabled (ISP, PowerVR, VED, VEC, VSP, etc.). Intel® Edison relies on the end-user
2015-09-14T13:09:00 < dongs> support of input power
2015-09-14T13:09:02 < dongs> haha
2015-09-14T13:09:06 < dongs> trash
2015-09-14T13:09:27 < scrts_w> it's IoT!
2015-09-14T13:09:28 < scrts_w> lol
2015-09-14T13:09:37 < dongs> fail
2015-09-14T13:11:11 < scrts_w> I heard some talks, that STM32F7 will have MIPI input?
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2015-09-14T13:29:26 < dongs> output
2015-09-14T13:29:33 < dongs> wasnt that F9 ? or wahtever
2015-09-14T13:29:45 < PeterM> alt f4?
2015-09-14T13:29:49 < dongs> ah F479
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2015-09-14T13:36:03 < dongs> haha
2015-09-14T13:36:04 < dongs> Thank you for your post.
2015-09-14T13:36:05 < dongs> A new component became available and I was pushed for space. Just a design iteration.
2015-09-14T13:36:10 < dongs> ivans reply as to why he removed LM1117
2015-09-14T13:36:13 < dongs> right
2015-09-14T13:36:25 < dongs> design iteration a week before supposed shipment of 12000 units
2015-09-14T13:36:29 < dongs> makes total sense
2015-09-14T13:37:03 < Laurenceb> arg design consultants
2015-09-14T13:37:38 < Laurenceb> we outsourced to design consultants at work, they in turn outsourced to design consultants, who outsourced to an engineering company
2015-09-14T13:37:59 < dongs> hm max edison SPI speed is 16.7mhz
2015-09-14T13:38:11 < dongs> faile
2015-09-14T13:38:29 < Laurenceb> heh so much fail
2015-09-14T13:38:42 < PeterM> 18.7mhz? what is this the year 2000?
2015-09-14T13:38:43 < Laurenceb> not as much fail as my job
2015-09-14T13:39:03 < PeterM> whats wrong harry? wizard school gettin you down?
2015-09-14T13:39:08 < dongs> edison was clearly aimed at zano
2015-09-14T13:40:22 < mtbg> https://github.com/adriancable/8086tiny/
2015-09-14T13:40:39 < mtbg> 8086 emulator in 760 lines
2015-09-14T13:41:25 < dongs> cute
2015-09-14T13:41:30 < dongs> how fast does it run on STM32
2015-09-14T13:42:37 < dongs> SDL :/
2015-09-14T13:42:45 < Laurenceb> 8086tiny is powerful enough to run software like AutoCAD, Windows 3.0, and legacy PC games
2015-09-14T13:42:46 < Laurenceb> wut
2015-09-14T13:42:54 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-14T13:43:26 < dongs> o shit it includes alleycat
2015-09-14T13:43:28 < dongs> i actually played that
2015-09-14T13:43:31 < Laurenceb> oh its all in here
2015-09-14T13:43:32 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/adriancable/8086tiny/blob/master/bios_source/bios.asm
2015-09-14T13:44:19 < dongs> http://jaybertsoftware.weebly.com/8086-tiny-plus.html
2015-09-14T13:44:28 < Laurenceb> and whats fd.img
2015-09-14T13:44:38 < dongs> .. floppy image
2015-09-14T13:44:40 < dongs> with dos and alleycat
2015-09-14T13:44:43 < Laurenceb> ah
2015-09-14T13:45:43 < Laurenceb> alleycat aka ur mum
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2015-09-14T13:51:03 < dongs> but will it play zeliard
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2015-09-14T14:01:27 < Sync> Laurenceb: trolled
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2015-09-14T14:02:39 < dongs> does not fucking run zeliard
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2015-09-14T14:18:42 < mtbg> dongs: http://zeliardgame.tripod.com/download/zeliard.zip this works for me
2015-09-14T14:19:16 < mtbg> I had to make dos-partitioned hdd image with fat16 partition to fit it though
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2015-09-14T14:49:59 < timemob> ok dumb question time
2015-09-14T14:50:31 < timemob> if I have diode in reverse will I still see vcc measuring it, just very low current?
2015-09-14T14:50:47 < timemob> or vcc-vdrop that is
2015-09-14T14:52:29 < timemob> I should probably go to that falstad site
2015-09-14T14:54:57 < jpa-> not vdrop, but a different drop
2015-09-14T14:55:35 < jpa-> for example 1n4148 gives reverse current as 2nA when reverse voltage is 2V
2015-09-14T14:56:19 < jpa-> when reverse voltage is 10V, it rises to 6nA, etc.
2015-09-14T14:56:42 < jpa-> so the drop varies on how much current your meter draws
2015-09-14T14:57:02 < timemob> well if I have say 12v and a shottky in reverse
2015-09-14T14:57:20 < timemob> I will still see ~11v out, just super low current?
2015-09-14T14:58:02 < timemob> meter will show something?
2015-09-14T14:59:33 < timemob> lol falstad is useless on mobile
2015-09-14T14:59:44 < timemob> can't drag parts around
2015-09-14T15:02:12 < mtbg> I'm pretty sure voltage drop becomes arbitrarily close to 0 at low currents
2015-09-14T15:02:44 < timemob> you mean the resulting voltage
2015-09-14T15:02:53 < timemob> not the drop
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2015-09-14T15:17:31 < dongs> k back at pc time to educate with falstad
2015-09-14T15:20:52 < mtbg> someone wrote html5 version of it
2015-09-14T15:21:07 < dongs> the same guy who did jewva version
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2015-09-14T15:26:54 < Steffann> Not the same guy dongs
2015-09-14T15:27:10 < dongs> er?
2015-09-14T15:27:40 < Steffann> It was someone else
2015-09-14T15:27:41 < dongs> oh
2015-09-14T15:27:46 < dongs> hm, Iian sharp or somethign
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2015-09-14T15:58:03 < Laurenceb> I am so triggered
2015-09-14T15:58:05 < Laurenceb> http://www.royalmail.com/corporate/sending-receiving/uk/safeplace
2015-09-14T15:58:35 < dongs> what the hell
2015-09-14T15:58:40 < dongs> is he putting hte box into
2015-09-14T15:58:44 < dongs> firewood storage?
2015-09-14T15:59:13 < Sync> ye
2015-09-14T15:59:31 < Laurenceb> junior survivors
2015-09-14T16:03:08 < dongs> im going to hack Laurenceb royalfail account
2015-09-14T16:03:17 < dongs> and instruct them to place his packages into the trash bin outside
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2015-09-14T16:32:35 < zyp> haha
2015-09-14T16:33:19 < zyp> dongs, did you get people started on boards?
2015-09-14T16:38:11 < jpa-> bah, i need a faster spindle; milling pcbs at 10krpm is painfully slow  http://essentialscrap.com/webcam/
2015-09-14T16:39:21 < dongs> y
2015-09-14T16:39:39 < dongs> blank PCbs
2015-09-14T16:39:42 < Laurenceb> nice
2015-09-14T16:39:42 < dongs> not started on parts yet
2015-09-14T16:40:06 < zyp> ok, cool
2015-09-14T16:40:28 < Laurenceb> jpa-: do you have z axis?
2015-09-14T16:40:38 < jpa-> uh, yes? :)
2015-09-14T16:40:49 < Laurenceb> i mean more than just up/down?
2015-09-14T16:40:54 < dongs> ??
2015-09-14T16:40:58 < zyp> z left right?
2015-09-14T16:40:58 < jpa-> no, i don't have 4-axis
2015-09-14T16:41:03 < Laurenceb> erm sorry
2015-09-14T16:41:09 < Tectu> Laurenceb, 3 axis is x y z
2015-09-14T16:41:14 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-09-14T16:41:23 < zyp> I think he means non-binary (solenoid)
2015-09-14T16:41:24 < Laurenceb> I mean more than single bit z height
2015-09-14T16:41:26 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-09-14T16:41:41 < Tectu> ah
2015-09-14T16:42:12  * Laurenceb has been busy   http://imgur.com/BB3kE3k.gifv
2015-09-14T16:43:21 < jpa-> Laurenceb: yeah, z is stepper also
2015-09-14T16:43:28 < Laurenceb> neat
2015-09-14T16:43:36 < jpa-> it's just cnc3020 anyway
2015-09-14T16:43:45 < Laurenceb> ah the china thing?
2015-09-14T16:43:49 < jpa-> yeah
2015-09-14T16:44:07 < Tectu> jpa-, how much did you spend on it to get a fully functional machine?
2015-09-14T16:44:26 < Tectu> jpa-, is it cheaper than a shaperoko thingy?
2015-09-14T16:44:50 < jpa-> Tectu: it cost 500 eur or something (including shipping), i think it would have done everything even out-of-the-box.. the stuff i have added just makes it nicer to use
2015-09-14T16:45:12 < Tectu> jpa-, what are those things you added?
2015-09-14T16:45:14 < Laurenceb> thats very good value
2015-09-14T16:45:18 < dongs> lunix
2015-09-14T16:45:20 < jpa-> if i count everything including the materials for the box and endmills that i have bought and 3d printer mod etc, i have probably spent around 1000 EUR so far
2015-09-14T16:45:46 < jpa-> dongs: no lunix, i added wolfmanjmware!
2015-09-14T16:46:14 < Fleck> hey Tectu, how are you?
2015-09-14T16:46:15 < dongs> aka C++faggotware
2015-09-14T16:46:25 < Tectu> wut, is there an image how they remove the labeling of a chip?!  http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3020-800W-Grind-Machine-Milling-Engraving-Machine-for-iPhone-Board-Repair-/321713165138?hash=item4ae7995352
2015-09-14T16:46:32 < dongs> cant-take-criticism-ware
2015-09-14T16:46:37 < Tectu> hey Fleck! I am fine, man. how are you?
2015-09-14T16:46:57 < Tectu> jpa-, what is wolfmanjmware referring to?
2015-09-14T16:47:00 < englishman> im liking lunixcnc
2015-09-14T16:47:01 < jpa-> smoothieware
2015-09-14T16:47:17 < dongs> haha w
2015-09-14T16:47:18 < dongs> what
2015-09-14T16:47:21 < dongs> why is that ebay auction
2015-09-14T16:47:25 < dongs> has specific shit for itrash
2015-09-14T16:47:32 < dongs> for milling chips off of the pcb or something?!
2015-09-14T16:47:40 < Fleck> Tectu: great, thanks! :D
2015-09-14T16:47:49 < Tectu> dongs, that´s what I thought
2015-09-14T16:48:00 < jpa-> Tectu: wolfmanjm was mean to me on the internet so now i bash him together with dongs   https://github.com/Smoothieware/Smoothieware/pull/632#issuecomment-78001722
2015-09-14T16:48:18 < Tectu> dongs, I guess you can´t do it with samsung chips
2015-09-14T16:48:31 < dongs> jpa-: there was somethign else recently
2015-09-14T16:48:39 < dongs> my 3d dicker pal was looking into how z-axis leveling is done
2015-09-14T16:48:41 < dongs> and its like
2015-09-14T16:48:46 < dongs> while (1) { step; check }
2015-09-14T16:48:55 < dongs> so pro!!!111
2015-09-14T16:49:08 < jpa-> well, how else? :)
2015-09-14T16:49:21 < jpa-> the LPC1768 doesn't even allow interrupts on most pins
2015-09-14T16:49:24 < dongs> er, i duno, something proper? dont they have threads or interrupts or something that makes sense
2015-09-14T16:49:25 < Ecco> yeah, it's not like it can do a dichotomy
2015-09-14T16:49:32 < dongs> heh, aids
2015-09-14T16:49:33 < Ecco> oh, ok :)
2015-09-14T16:50:06 < jpa-> they don't have real threads, but it has an event scheduler that runs every 1 millisecond or something and executes stuff in interrupt context
2015-09-14T16:50:28 < Tectu> jpa-, whoops :/
2015-09-14T16:50:32 < jpa-> also: they have no mutexes or anything like that, it's thread safe by just being lucky
2015-09-14T16:50:43 < Tectu> jpa-, is that guy taking IRC conversations into github pull requests?
2015-09-14T16:50:45 < dongs> jpa, but they're using std::atomic
2015-09-14T16:50:47 < dongs> and osme other trash
2015-09-14T16:50:52 < dongs> from c=+112
2015-09-14T16:50:56 < dongs> so that makes them super pro
2015-09-14T16:50:58 < dongs> !!11
2015-09-14T16:51:08 < jpa-> :)
2015-09-14T16:51:21 < mtbg> they don't implement anything to preserve data integrity?
2015-09-14T16:52:17 < jpa-> mtbg: they have some things on case-by-case basis
2015-09-14T16:53:45 < jpa-> though i can kind of understand going for a lockfree design for a realtime thingy
2015-09-14T16:53:56 < jpa-> just seems that it is not done very carefully here
2015-09-14T16:54:15 < mtbg> mutexes in interrupt context would not work, except some _trylock(...)
2015-09-14T16:54:49 < Tectu> jpa-, did you take a look at ShapeOko before you bough the CNC3020?
2015-09-14T16:54:50 < mtbg> normal approach is to turn off interrupts if you can't do it atomically
2015-09-14T16:55:13 < jpa-> Tectu: yeah, seemed crappier and more expensive
2015-09-14T16:55:46 < jpa-> openness is nice, but on the commodity hardware is pretty open by itself
2015-09-14T16:55:52 < jpa-> *on the other hand
2015-09-14T16:55:58 < dongs> huh
2015-09-14T16:56:04 < dongs> whyt the fuck is boot0 on  F4-disco pulled up to vdd
2015-09-14T16:56:10 < Tectu> jpa-, 400$ shipping to europe???? (on the sapeoko 3 page for preordering(
2015-09-14T16:56:14 < jpa-> like if i break a bearing on the cnc3020, ebay is full of them
2015-09-14T16:56:31 < englishman> shapeoko looks mega crap
2015-09-14T16:56:33 < jpa-> Tectu: yeah, cnc3020 from china was 200EUR
2015-09-14T16:56:34 < englishman> belts on cnc??? lol
2015-09-14T16:56:49 < dongs> polol@you
2015-09-14T16:56:53 < Tectu> jpa-, 200 EUR sounds reasonable. 400 seems crazy
2015-09-14T16:56:58 < dongs> i wish i had time for a fucking cnc
2015-09-14T16:57:05 < dongs> or skills to acutally design something TO CNC
2015-09-14T16:57:09 < Tectu> stfu, you have a pick-n-place man
2015-09-14T16:57:20 < dongs> yeah how is taht even remotely related
2015-09-14T16:57:23 < englishman> yeah just attach endmill to picknplace
2015-09-14T16:57:29 < dongs> right lemme get right on that
2015-09-14T16:57:30 < Tectu> LOL!
2015-09-14T16:57:35 < jpa-> you can pick and place tiny bits of metal and melt them together
2015-09-14T16:57:52 < zyp> metal 3d printer!
2015-09-14T16:58:48 < jpa-> Tectu: regarding the ebay listing above, seems they are not just removing the label but removing the entire chip, easier than desoldering apparently
2015-09-14T16:59:09 < dongs> its like the xbox re-reflow all over again
2015-09-14T16:59:20 < dongs> what are they removing anway
2015-09-14T16:59:22 < dongs> emmc or something?
2015-09-14T16:59:32 < jpa-> some iphone chips apparently
2015-09-14T16:59:42 < dongs> does it make it go faster
2015-09-14T17:00:01 < Ecco> why would they remove emmc?
2015-09-14T17:00:05 < zyp> maybe they just make holes in the chip for airflow, so it doesn't get so hot!
2015-09-14T17:00:30 < Tectu> jpa-, interesting, but I´d be afraid of ripping of a pad
2015-09-14T17:00:31 < dongs> ecco, to turn 16gb itrash into 64gb itrash
2015-09-14T17:00:33 < dongs> for less than $200
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2015-09-14T17:00:43 < dongs> or 300 or watever apple wants for upgrade
2015-09-14T17:00:53 < Ecco> oooooh
2015-09-14T17:00:53 < Tectu> your soul
2015-09-14T17:00:59 < Ecco> that's actually pretty smart
2015-09-14T17:01:21 < Ecco> I wonder if there's something in the iOS software that would check for this
2015-09-14T17:01:30 < jpa-> Tectu: well, it's probably BGAs anyway so there is quite a thick amount of solder between the chip and the pad
2015-09-14T17:02:02 < Tectu> jpa-, well, I was not afraid of milling too deep but that that the solder pulls on the pad as it is getting milled away
2015-09-14T17:02:29 < dongs> duno man they're selling that means:
2015-09-14T17:02:32 < dongs> obviosuly thery've figured that part out
2015-09-14T17:02:37 < dongs> china is not liike a dickstarter
2015-09-14T17:02:41 < dongs> where you sell, then figure out how it works
2015-09-14T17:02:42 < kakimir> apparently routers can het hijacked
2015-09-14T17:02:55 < jpa-> Tectu: yeah, but milling just the chip away is enough.. solder can be removed by heating
2015-09-14T17:03:02 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKM1lMVXV5eExiWDg/view?usp=sharing
2015-09-14T17:03:19 < Tectu> jpa-, indeed
2015-09-14T17:03:21 < jpa-> Tectu: so one just hopes that chip -> solder is not much stronger than solder -> pad or pad -> pcb
2015-09-14T17:03:58 < Tectu> jpa-, that was the part I was unsure about, how much hope actually is needed for that
2015-09-14T17:04:06 < jpa-> probably not much
2015-09-14T17:04:16 < jpa-> but dunno
2015-09-14T17:04:43 < dongs> <zano> Based off the updates from the message boards and a reply to a contact request I was told I'll have one by the 18th. Luckily I preordered black just after the kickstarter campaign closed out and they've started fulfilling those to the US!
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2015-09-14T17:24:38 < dongs> k i think schema for zanocam is done
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2015-09-14T17:25:48 < jpa-> bah, snapped a bit
2015-09-14T17:26:08 < jpa-> note to self: z-probing to copper area doesn't work very well when you have just isolation milled it
2015-09-14T17:29:39 < dongs> any idea what STM32 internal temperature sensor measurement range is
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2015-09-14T17:29:55 < dongs> i guess ill check datasheet
2015-09-14T17:30:08 < dongs> range is between 1.8 and 3.3V
2015-09-14T17:32:36 < jpa-> did it need calibration or some shit like that
2015-09-14T17:32:44 < jpa-> i once tried to use it on stm32l151 and it sucked
2015-09-14T17:32:45 < dongs> there's TS_CAL1/2
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2015-09-14T17:32:52 < dongs> taken at 30C and 110C
2015-09-14T17:33:02 < dongs> im guessing one can linear-fit stuff in bettwene there
2015-09-14T17:34:52 < jpa-> yeah, that's the idea
2015-09-14T17:34:58 < jpa-> actual accuracy seemed quite poor
2015-09-14T17:36:11 < jpa-> though i had extra trouble due to box isolating it from what i actually wanted to measure
2015-09-14T17:36:50 < jpa-> https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/doglight2/sw/src/stm32l_adc.c   looks like my code considers the other calibration value as 25 celcius instead of 30..
2015-09-14T17:37:04 < dongs> 25C is the correct offset
2015-09-14T17:37:08 < dongs> thats not related to ts1/2
2015-09-14T17:37:42 < jpa-> yeah i have offset of 25C also
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2015-09-14T17:42:50 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=25&v=xynE-43trQg
2015-09-14T17:43:04 < dongs> does 2.5mV/step mean 60C or 600C range?
2015-09-14T17:43:27 < dongs> im failing at wolframalpha
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2015-09-14T17:52:59 < englishman> 600
2015-09-14T17:53:04 < englishman> did that in my head
2015-09-14T17:53:07 < englishman> luzer
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2015-09-14T17:56:49 < dongs> i wonder if PC9306  can work with vref1 unpowered
2015-09-14T17:56:53 < dongs> PCA
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2015-09-14T17:59:02 < dongs> why am i even level shifting 3.3 to 2.8 :| shit will probly f ail
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2015-09-14T17:59:52 < hjf> does STM32F405 include some sort of overvoltage protection? like brownout detection but for overvoltage
2015-09-14T17:59:58 < dongs> no
2015-09-14T17:59:59 < dongs> it just smokes
2015-09-14T18:00:01 < dongs> obviosuly
2015-09-14T18:00:07 < hjf> i have a board that fails when Vdd is 3.2V or below
2015-09-14T18:00:08 < dongs> what do you think its going to do?
2015-09-14T18:00:13 < hjf> but fails with 3.3V or above
2015-09-14T18:00:24 < dongs> no, you just fucked something else u p:)
2015-09-14T18:00:32 < hjf> with 3.3V it boots ONCE and if you power cycle it, it won't boot
2015-09-14T18:00:47 < hjf> unless you wait a few seconds before plugging it back in
2015-09-14T18:01:04 < dongs> and  you already said your vcaps wehre 2.2uF and actually 2.2 and not 2.2nF or similar?
2015-09-14T18:01:05 < hjf> but if i warm up the IC just a little, it won't work no matter what
2015-09-14T18:01:21 < hjf> dongs: yes, i measured them with my multimeter
2015-09-14T18:01:24 < hjf> 2.2uF MLCC
2015-09-14T18:02:13 < dongs> http://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1009773/ ;p;
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2015-09-14T18:03:52 < Sync> lel
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2015-09-14T18:05:11 < Laurenceb> http://nibler.ru/uploads/users//2014-05-08/avtomaty-torgovye-yaponskie-kartinki-idiotizmy_9919286673.jpeg
2015-09-14T18:05:42 < dongs> omg, pantieis wedding machine
2015-09-14T18:05:45 < dongs> zyp confirm/deny
2015-09-14T18:05:57 < zyp> huh?
2015-09-14T18:06:16 < zyp> heh
2015-09-14T18:06:19 < Laurenceb> ^main customer
2015-09-14T18:07:29 < zyp> yeah, I always make sure to buy a couple every time I'm in jp
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2015-09-14T18:09:40 < englishman> are there different flavours
2015-09-14T18:09:44 < jpa-> but are they real or synthetic?
2015-09-14T18:09:58 < jpa-> and is there a panties deposit machine?
2015-09-14T18:10:11 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-09-14T18:10:22 < Laurenceb> panties barter machine
2015-09-14T18:10:37 < jpa-> pantsexchange
2015-09-14T18:11:15 < dongs> gah, piece o shit
2015-09-14T18:11:20 < dongs> if you have multi-part thing on schematic
2015-09-14T18:11:23 < dongs> and change its footprint in just one part
2015-09-14T18:11:31 < dongs> the other parts become unconnected / have old footprint
2015-09-14T18:11:40 < dongs> but fucking altium wont tell you, just says "non-existent footprint"
2015-09-14T18:12:53 < scrts_w> it should tell during the update
2015-09-14T18:13:03 < dongs> it doesnt tell me its due to multiipart problem
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2015-09-14T18:19:26 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNmJF1wml5U wat
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2015-09-14T20:12:51 < hjf> i just soldered a STM32F405 to a PCB, the previous one's DFU worked (hold BOOT button and plug in to USB and it enters DFU)
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2015-09-14T20:13:04 < hjf> but this one (brand new IC) doesn't. do i need to do anything else?
2015-09-14T20:13:24 < hjf> i mean i swapped ICs in the board that was working
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2015-09-14T20:39:28 < sadara> Anyone here used the HAL drivers with the ADC on a STM32L0?
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2015-09-14T21:06:43 < Steffanx> is this you dongs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luv_bWmb9lE
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2015-09-14T21:12:48 < zyp> haha
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2015-09-14T21:48:51 < kakimir> I need highest efficacy red led under 0.5A range
2015-09-14T21:49:06 < kakimir> anyone have doings with red leds?
2015-09-14T21:51:13 < kakimir> these numbers are ridiculous 70lm/w and so
2015-09-14T21:51:40 < kakimir> for red
2015-09-14T21:57:21 < kakimir> just a ton of crap
2015-09-14T21:57:35 < kakimir> chinese even less
2015-09-14T21:57:59 < kakimir> third of that maybe
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2015-09-14T22:32:12 < Laurenceb_> fun day at work
2015-09-14T22:32:29 < Laurenceb_> we paid ~UKP 15k for injection molds
2015-09-14T22:32:37 < Laurenceb_> for two screw together parts
2015-09-14T22:32:45 < Laurenceb_> the screw threads dont match
2015-09-14T22:33:06 < Laurenceb_> someone emailed different revisions of the CAD
2015-09-14T22:34:22 < kakimir> you got the heat?
2015-09-14T22:35:00 < mtbg> what is that, EM drive replica?
2015-09-14T22:35:31 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-09-14T22:35:46 < Laurenceb_> on topic of em drive, bottom of page
2015-09-14T22:35:48 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38203.1860
2015-09-14T22:36:02 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: no, we "outsourced" the CAD
2015-09-14T22:36:15 < Laurenceb_> the consultants were totally disorganised
2015-09-14T22:36:22 < kakimir> so only setback for you is time
2015-09-14T22:36:30 < kakimir> they pay this rightt
2015-09-14T22:37:29 < Laurenceb_> yeah I'm not complaining lol
2015-09-14T22:37:40 < Laurenceb_> I'm on a fixed term contract
2015-09-14T22:43:24 < kakimir> fired on next term
2015-09-14T22:43:53 < kakimir> someone had to go. Better be that dude that does all the works and never complains
2015-09-14T22:46:53 < Laurenceb_> heh
2015-09-14T22:47:00 < Laurenceb_> yeah I leave at end of month
2015-09-14T22:47:05 < Laurenceb_> can troll all day
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2015-09-14T22:56:46 < kakimir> enough moneys to troll a while?
2015-09-14T22:59:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2015-09-14T22:59:26 < Laurenceb_> work on my rockoon project and stuff
2015-09-14T22:59:35 < Laurenceb_> thinking of moving to US
2015-09-14T23:00:36 < englishman> cool
2015-09-14T23:01:55 < kakimir> what area?
2015-09-14T23:02:05 < kakimir> that is important I think
2015-09-14T23:09:35 < kakimir> east south west?
2015-09-14T23:33:17 < Steffann> But not many highaltitude buddies in yankeeland...
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2015-09-15T00:38:42 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ML1220-Cmos-Akku-Kabel-Stecker-Bios-Backup-Datum-Uhr-Batterie-3V-ML-1220-/281634362891 are these actually rechargeable?
2015-09-15T00:43:48 < Sync> no
2015-09-15T00:45:42 < kakimir> chinese liars
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2015-09-15T00:49:20 < PeterM> you *can* get rechargable ones, that doesnt mean your pc will dcharge it though
2015-09-15T00:51:28 < kakimir> too late
2015-09-15T00:51:33 < kakimir> ordered those
2015-09-15T00:51:48 < kakimir> for my raspi multiboard rtcs
2015-09-15T00:51:52 < kakimir> fucking raspis
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2015-09-15T01:09:14 < FAalbers> Hello, Is there a tool to transform a STM32CubeMX created project into an Eclipse project ?
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2015-09-15T02:00:07 < Laurenceb_> holy shit i lolld  https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Bahar_Mustafa
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2015-09-15T02:05:01 < jadew> feminatzi?
2015-09-15T02:05:17 < Laurenceb_> Poes law defined
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2015-09-15T02:27:23 < dongs> wat is this garbage
2015-09-15T02:27:28 < dongs> tahts not even stm32 related
2015-09-15T02:27:53 < dongs> < FAalbers> Hello, Is there a tool to transform a STM32CubeMX created project into an Eclipse project ?
2015-09-15T02:27:57 < dongs> err
2015-09-15T02:28:01 < dongs> doesnt that shit output eclipse projects already
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2015-09-15T02:30:54 < jadew> dongs, job offer: http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEkjtHDUMAEDqx3.jpg:large
2015-09-15T02:31:05 < dongs> so old
2015-09-15T02:31:35 < jadew> takes a while for news to come all the way from Japan
2015-09-15T02:32:02 < jadew> I take it all the positions were filled?
2015-09-15T02:32:16 < dongs> literally 'filled'
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2015-09-15T02:41:55 < dongs> ok tiny8086 does play zeliard
2015-09-15T02:42:08 < dongs> i fucked up and pointed to a crappy folder which was missing one of resource files
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2015-09-15T02:59:57 < mtbg> now go ahead and port it to f429 discovery
2015-09-15T03:00:26 < mtbg> and become famous on hackaday
2015-09-15T03:00:37 < dongs> dick-a-day
2015-09-15T03:00:47 < dongs> how did you know that its my lifelong dream
2015-09-15T03:00:53 < dongs> to become famous on dick-a-day
2015-09-15T03:02:06 < kakimir> I'm scared of leftist stalinists pussies
2015-09-15T03:02:11 < dongs> https://mobile.twitter.com/gexcolo/status/637383659318734849
2015-09-15T03:04:46 < mtbg> :>
2015-09-15T03:18:59 < Sync> idk what to think about rms
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2015-09-15T03:23:20 < GargantuaSauce> he's definitely an extremist, but i guess someone has to play that role
2015-09-15T03:24:15 < GargantuaSauce> and most of the stuff he warned about like 30 years ago has come to fruition so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2015-09-15T03:25:30 < GargantuaSauce> https://bitbucket.org/WAHa_06x36/stm32f4-vga did this get posted already?
2015-09-15T03:25:51 < GargantuaSauce> the jupiter demo is damn impressive
2015-09-15T03:25:56 < dongs> olde
2015-09-15T03:26:39 < GargantuaSauce> ya i know the demos are but the vga library being properly sauced is new
2015-09-15T03:29:08 < dongs> eagle schematic :|
2015-09-15T03:29:27 < GargantuaSauce> so pro
2015-09-15T03:31:04 < dongs> tectu is busy ripping the Graphics\ folder
2015-09-15T03:31:10 < dongs> for incorporation into closedGFX
2015-09-15T03:32:30 < dongs> lol they wrote thier own gpio stuff
2015-09-15T03:32:32 < dongs> and rcc and shit
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2015-09-15T03:42:12 < GargantuaSauce> yeah no stdperiphlib here :)
2015-09-15T03:42:41 < dongs> peridiummm looks cooler than jupiter
2015-09-15T03:42:45 < talsit> anyone know of any other flipchip resistors other than the Ohmite HVF series?
2015-09-15T03:54:32 < dongs> k time to layout zanoclone camera board
2015-09-15T03:55:16 < GargantuaSauce> wait what
2015-09-15T03:56:11 < dongs> i gotta make use of t hose of these zyp's free F429s
2015-09-15T03:56:17 < GargantuaSauce> whats the plan for compression and transmission?
2015-09-15T03:56:27 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: mjpeg of course
2015-09-15T03:56:28 < GargantuaSauce> or just mjpeg straight to sd
2015-09-15T03:56:31 < dongs> yes
2015-09-15T03:56:38 < GargantuaSauce> ah. true zanoclone
2015-09-15T03:56:42 < dongs> but over sdio at least
2015-09-15T03:57:04 < dongs> zano is planning to write 40mbit over SPI
2015-09-15T03:57:20 < GargantuaSauce> still using that dinky pic32?
2015-09-15T03:57:47 < GargantuaSauce> sure hope their handwritten assembly optimization is good
2015-09-15T04:00:39 < dongs> kekeke
2015-09-15T04:11:31 < kakimir> they need assembly god
2015-09-15T04:11:47 < kakimir> not for mortals
2015-09-15T04:21:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/C30Yx0n.jpg
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2015-09-15T04:28:07 < kakimir> don't try to distract dongs
2015-09-15T04:29:19 < kakimir> spaceman
2015-09-15T04:29:37 < kakimir> I always wanted you to go..
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2015-09-15T04:42:07 < kakimir> I used to be so fascinated by space flight when I was younger
2015-09-15T04:42:33 < kakimir> now nothing
2015-09-15T04:47:13 < dongs> englishman: osdoge parts in quoting
2015-09-15T04:57:38 < dongs> pro routing
2015-09-15T04:58:04 < dongs> zano camera module
2015-09-15T04:58:22 < dongs> OV5640
2015-09-15T04:58:38 < dongs> F407/429
2015-09-15T04:59:06 < dongs> ya
2015-09-15T04:59:07 < dongs> dcmi
2015-09-15T04:59:12 < dongs> i was gonna ghetto it wiht gpio on F103
2015-09-15T04:59:26 < dongs> but then i remembered I'm not much of asm pro like ivan reedman
2015-09-15T04:59:33 < dongs> so i figured i'll use proper hardware instead
2015-09-15T05:00:39 < dongs> xmos
2015-09-15T05:00:55 < dongs> and propeller
2015-09-15T05:01:48 < dongs> im gonna do 5mp@120fps
2015-09-15T05:01:52 < dongs> at least in my kickstarter
2015-09-15T05:02:46 < dongs> no kidding, but kickstarter doenst care
2015-09-15T05:02:57 < dongs> 5mp @ 15fps
2015-09-15T05:02:58 < GargantuaSauce> next you're gonna tell us the specs have to be remotely accurate
2015-09-15T05:03:00 < dongs> and only over mipi
2015-09-15T05:03:14 < dongs> dvp is too slow
2015-09-15T05:05:00 < dongs> nonremovable
2015-09-15T05:05:09 < dongs> chinkmodule has some
2015-09-15T05:05:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/5J08hIT.jpg
2015-09-15T05:06:10 < dongs> o cool, i didnt notice but it comes with doublesided stickytape
2015-09-15T05:06:16 < dongs> i was gonna add my own and tape it to back of pcb
2015-09-15T05:06:19 < dongs> but taht makes it easier
2015-09-15T05:07:04 < dongs> ya
2015-09-15T05:07:12 < dongs> well, yea default trash
2015-09-15T05:07:22 < dongs> no zoom etc. it does have autofocus apparently
2015-09-15T05:08:00 < GargantuaSauce> the soc supports autofocus but it requires fancier optics
2015-09-15T05:08:14 < dongs> well, it has that
2015-09-15T05:08:26 < dongs> i mean, the module supports AF
2015-09-15T05:08:34 < dongs> cuz there's af_vcc/gnd on the connector too
2015-09-15T05:08:38 < dongs> for powering that voicecoil shit
2015-09-15T05:08:43 < GargantuaSauce> oh, cool
2015-09-15T05:22:05 < dongs> PCB Design with 3D view
2015-09-15T05:22:53 < dongs> TINA v10:
2015-09-15T05:22:54 < dongs> v10.1.30 Jan 05, 2015
2015-09-15T05:22:55 < dongs> ancient
2015-09-15T05:23:09 < dongs> latest altium release is july 2015
2015-09-15T05:24:34 < dongs> but can it do anything USEFUL
2015-09-15T05:24:36 < dongs> : no
2015-09-15T05:25:17 < dongs> i dont do any of those things
2015-09-15T05:25:22 < dongs> i just copypaste
2015-09-15T05:25:26 < dongs> zano schematics
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2015-09-15T06:17:07 < upgrdman> lol racers   http://i.imgur.com/qIc69OM.gifv
2015-09-15T06:18:37 < upgrdman> :)  http://imgur.com/dNZUCs6
2015-09-15T06:19:11 < dongs> old
2015-09-15T06:19:13 < dongs> seen before many times
2015-09-15T06:23:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/wvwBbAy.png
2015-09-15T06:23:30 < dongs> hm i need to move that left ldo a bit
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2015-09-15T06:27:48 < upgrdman> :/
2015-09-15T06:28:20 < upgrdman> R2COM needs this to wash off all of the shame    https://i.imgur.com/5kRvtq7.jpg?1
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2015-09-15T06:41:56 < dongs> i saw somerthing like this in gook hotel
2015-09-15T06:42:06 < upgrdman> orly?
2015-09-15T06:42:08 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-15T06:42:14 < dongs> not as massive showerheads tho
2015-09-15T06:42:23 < dongs> but like, columns of jets like that
2015-09-15T06:43:47 < upgrdman> lol. got an email from these guys. they want to send me a free one for my to review on youtube.  http://tibbo.com/
2015-09-15T06:44:14 < dongs> aidsssssssssssssss
2015-09-15T06:44:19 < upgrdman> inorite
2015-09-15T06:44:33 < dongs> wats with remarked chips
2015-09-15T06:44:54 < upgrdman> Dear upgrdman Video Creators,
2015-09-15T06:44:54 < upgrdman> My name is Julie Pai. I recently watched a few of your video tutorials on Youtube. I have enjoyed learning the technological concepts you presented in videos....
2015-09-15T06:45:03 < dongs> wat do you think are tehy, PIC32s?
2015-09-15T06:45:08 < dongs> the rebadged shit
2015-09-15T06:45:13 < dongs> atmega2560 probly
2015-09-15T06:45:15 < dongs> for MEGA PRO
2015-09-15T06:45:20 < upgrdman> prolly some 8051
2015-09-15T06:45:28 < upgrdman> or 6502
2015-09-15T06:47:23 < upgrdman> *starts win10 vm* *oh great. peg 4 of my 8 cores, for like 10 minutes...*
2015-09-15T06:47:38 < upgrdman> wtf. they mining buttcoins with my vm or someshit
2015-09-15T06:48:04 < dongs> thats cuz youre running it on a fucking fagbook
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2015-09-15T06:48:14 < dongs> busted
2015-09-15T06:49:00 < upgrdman> the win 10 tech preview wasn't nearly such a hog
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2015-09-15T06:52:26 < upgrdman> side note... i finally touches one of the new macbook (non pro) craptops. what a fucking shit keyboard. fell even worse than the msft dickface pro 3 keyboard.
2015-09-15T06:52:43 < upgrdman> seriously. felt like one of those $5 bluetooth keyboard pieces of trash from shenzhen
2015-09-15T06:53:15 < ds2> it probally is... just sold for 200000000000x the price for the suckers
2015-09-15T06:53:21 < upgrdman> srsly
2015-09-15T06:54:09 < upgrdman> the fagbook pros aren't too bad
2015-09-15T06:54:17 < upgrdman> just wish they weren't so stingy with usb ports
2015-09-15T06:55:18 < upgrdman> im still waiting for a 4k winfag laptop with decent display. like anti-reflection coating, quality body, not some glow in the dark gaymer fag magnet
2015-09-15T06:55:30 < dongs> toshiba T50?
2015-09-15T06:55:36 < dongs> it has no gaymer shit
2015-09-15T06:56:08 < upgrdman> googled... no t50
2015-09-15T06:56:14 < upgrdman> u mean p50?
2015-09-15T06:56:32 < upgrdman> R2COM, ya like the anus republic of faggots craptops
2015-09-15T06:57:04 < dongs> http://www.toshiba.com/us/p50t
2015-09-15T06:57:07 < dongs> no gamer trash here.
2015-09-15T06:59:23 < upgrdman> dongs, so fucking ugly. also, looks like no anti-reflection/glare coating. amateur hour.
2015-09-15T06:59:32 < upgrdman> but better than most gaymer laptops
2015-09-15T06:59:45 < dongs> http://www.toshiba.com/us/computers/laptops/satellite/S50/S50T-CBT2G02 wat
2015-09-15T07:00:03 < dongs> looks perfect
2015-09-15T07:00:06 < dongs> has ethernet
2015-09-15T07:00:07 < dongs> 4k screen
2015-09-15T07:00:25 < dongs> 16gb mem
2015-09-15T07:01:21 < upgrdman> small 256GB hdd
2015-09-15T07:01:23 < upgrdman> fail
2015-09-15T07:01:25 < dongs> http://www.toshiba.com/us/computers/laptops/tecra/W50/W50-ABT1500 you can customize  this one with 4k screen for even more lols
2015-09-15T07:01:30 < dongs> upgrdman: all those are changeable
2015-09-15T07:01:33 < upgrdman> even my fagbook pro is 512GB 16GB
2015-09-15T07:01:51 < dongs> R2raged
2015-09-15T07:02:06 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-09-15T08:03:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/HWJckxc.png k done time to route
2015-09-15T08:04:18 < Simon--> nazo camera? hehe
2015-09-15T08:04:23 < dongs> zano backwards.
2015-09-15T08:04:31 < dongs> or swapped arond anyway.
2015-09-15T08:09:22 < dongs> http://www.banggood.com/Cheerson-CX-10C-CX10C-Mini-2_4G-4CH-6-Axis-RC-Quadcopter-with-Camera-RTF-p-989909.html
2015-09-15T08:09:25 < dongs> haha
2015-09-15T08:09:28 < dongs> fucking raped
2015-09-15T08:09:35 < dongs> has a camera and microsd slot
2015-09-15T08:11:46 < englishman> might even have 10 minute flight time
2015-09-15T08:12:25 < englishman> 0.3 megapixel, as good as the latest macbook
2015-09-15T08:12:54 < dongs> 0.3 actual megapixel, still better than zano's upscaled 320x240 shite
2015-09-15T08:13:04 < dongs> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/1/9/5/2/0/a8242381-166-PIC001.jpg
2015-09-15T08:13:18 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJTCK-0VAAAllmZ.jpg:large
2015-09-15T08:13:26 < dongs> quick, which one has more detail??
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2015-09-15T08:24:40 < Simon--> speaking of, is there a tool that says what res some image has based on max freq?
2015-09-15T08:24:49 < Simon--> I was looking for that the other day
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2015-09-15T09:13:47 < dongs> whats simplest circuit to get decent-ish audio out ouf F4 dac
2015-09-15T09:13:53 < dongs> do I need opamp or can i ghetto it wiht somethin else
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2015-09-15T09:24:33 < dongs> paging emeb etc
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2015-09-15T09:32:29 < emeb_mac> dongs: huh?
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2015-09-15T09:34:12 < emeb_mac> dongs: the F4 DAC has a range of about VDD - 3.3V. That's slightly more than line level.
2015-09-15T09:35:05 < dongs> is that good or bad
2015-09-15T09:35:18 < emeb_mac> but "decent-ish" depends - do you want lowpass filtering? What's your sample rate? What levels do you want?
2015-09-15T09:35:20 < dongs> maybe i should just add like a speaker amp
2015-09-15T09:35:35 < dongs> emeb_mac: mono speaker
2015-09-15T09:35:37 < dongs> like 11khz sample rate
2015-09-15T09:35:41 < dongs> or 22k max
2015-09-15T09:35:46 < dongs> lpf I can just make using R+C right?
2015-09-15T09:35:55 < Roklobsta> that's fine
2015-09-15T09:36:15 < Roklobsta> if you make an amp you might as well make it a 2nd order sallen+key type.
2015-09-15T09:36:29 < dongs> no, i want to have as less components as possible
2015-09-15T09:36:37 < Roklobsta> is the output from a dac or pwm?
2015-09-15T09:36:42 < dongs> dac
2015-09-15T09:36:47 < dongs> F4's dac_out thing
2015-09-15T09:36:48 < emeb_mac> dongs: with a 22kHz sample rate you'll have some serious aliasing unless you put a decent high-order lowpass reconstruction filter on it.
2015-09-15T09:37:22 < dongs> how about 11k?
2015-09-15T09:37:31 < Roklobsta> yeah, ok, 1st order RC is fine.  make the 3dB point a bit lower then fs/2
2015-09-15T09:37:33 < Roklobsta> tha
2015-09-15T09:37:34 < emeb_mac> gets worse as sample rate goes down
2015-09-15T09:37:34 < Roklobsta> n
2015-09-15T09:37:54 < dongs> wats a lowpass reconsturciton filter
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2015-09-15T09:38:08 < emeb_mac> dongs: smoothing on the DAC output to remove the steps
2015-09-15T09:38:10 < Roklobsta> is it just for the occasional fart alert sound or will it be used a lot?
2015-09-15T09:38:21 < dongs> Roklobsta: fart alert
2015-09-15T09:38:26 < emeb_mac> ah
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2015-09-15T09:38:32 < dongs> so not pro audio but
2015-09-15T09:38:33 < emeb_mac> then you don't need a filter
2015-09-15T09:38:35 < dongs> it shouldnt sound like shit
2015-09-15T09:38:52 < Roklobsta> ok, RC with a 3dB at Fs/2
2015-09-15T09:38:54 < emeb_mac> just put some rolloff in the amp
2015-09-15T09:38:57 < dongs> if i wanted sound like shit I can pickup cinese ADPCM player chip for $0.50
2015-09-15T09:39:26 < Roklobsta> don't forget the usual mid point is 1.5V and capacitively couple the speaker.
2015-09-15T09:39:52 < Roklobsta> er, mid is VDD/2
2015-09-15T09:40:08 < dongs> capacitave couple = just AC couple right? i.e. cap in the line
2015-09-15T09:40:08 < emeb_mac> 1.65 ~= 1.5
2015-09-15T09:40:11 < Roklobsta> or VddDAC/2  you know what I mean.
2015-09-15T09:40:13 < Roklobsta> yep
2015-09-15T09:40:23 < Roklobsta> otherwise the speaker will become a heater.
2015-09-15T09:40:29 < dongs> rite
2015-09-15T09:40:35 < dongs> pro audio has 100uF  cap in there
2015-09-15T09:40:38 < dongs> ill have to do less
2015-09-15T09:40:48 < Roklobsta> 8ohm speaker?
2015-09-15T09:40:56 < dongs> 8-16 year
2015-09-15T09:40:58 < dongs> year
2015-09-15T09:41:00 < dongs> sdfsdfds
2015-09-15T09:41:02 < dongs> y E a
2015-09-15T09:41:17 < Roklobsta> heh, that was meant for ##hentai
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2015-09-15T09:41:43 < Roklobsta> how freudian
2015-09-15T09:41:48 < dongs> ikr
2015-09-15T09:42:53 < dongs> ok so
2015-09-15T09:43:02 < dongs> RC filter on dac output
2015-09-15T09:43:06 < dongs> ac couple speaker
2015-09-15T09:43:12 < dongs> that leaves the part about actual amplification
2015-09-15T09:43:21 < dongs> do I need amp or can I just drive shit directyly from dac?
2015-09-15T09:43:46 < Roklobsta> depends on the speaker.  you might need an amp like a shitty lm386
2015-09-15T09:44:07 < dongs> doesnt that need a lot of extra parts
2015-09-15T09:44:09 < Roklobsta> is it piezo style?
2015-09-15T09:44:14 < dongs> nah its coil
2015-09-15T09:44:25 < dongs> or watever, yanno, voice coil + diaphragm
2015-09-15T09:44:30 < Roklobsta> hmmm, should have an amp designed for 8ohm loads
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2015-09-15T09:44:50 < Roklobsta> but test the dac, maybe it's ok.
2015-09-15T09:45:14 < Roklobsta> what is the dac output impedance? can it push some hefty current?
2015-09-15T09:46:17 < dongs> there's a buffer that user can on/off in the dac
2015-09-15T09:46:23 < dongs> only shows 15k impedance with that buffer off
2015-09-15T09:46:37 < dongs> 5k resistive load with buffer on
2015-09-15T09:49:27 < Roklobsta> the usual applies, for max power transfer source impedance should match load impedance.
2015-09-15T09:49:55 < Roklobsta> so you might need a simple amp.  so8 style.
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2015-09-15T09:57:36 < Roklobsta> you can get class D amps that have no extra parts but not for plain old class AB sudio amps.
2015-09-15T09:57:40 < Roklobsta> audio
2015-09-15T09:59:37 < Roklobsta> seeing as we're all ST fanbois something liek this http://www.st.com/web/catalog/sense_power/FM125/CL1503/SC977/SS1540/PF65412
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2015-09-15T10:04:40 < dongs> hm
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2015-09-15T10:19:32 < dongs> time to shitpal dispute those norco screw scammers
2015-09-15T10:27:19 < ReadError> quit buying drugs with paypal
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2015-09-15T10:46:36 < Laurenceb_> lulz  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34118482
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2015-09-15T10:51:33 < dongs> TS4990IST will do.
2015-09-15T10:51:41 < dongs> its 0.24
2015-09-15T10:55:55 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo5cKRmJaf0&feature=youtu.be
2015-09-15T10:55:58 < Laurenceb_> TEDception
2015-09-15T10:56:05 < dongs> fuck ted
2015-09-15T10:56:10 < dongs> ted is teh new vice
2015-09-15T10:56:14 < dongs> edgy stuff for hipsters
2015-09-15T10:56:24 < Laurenceb_> its a jerkcircle
2015-09-15T10:57:50 < PeterM> ted is fucking rubbish - there was a talk about drying your fucking hanmds, i mean, fucking really?
2015-09-15T10:59:11 < Laurenceb_> onion talks is where its at
2015-09-15T10:59:32 < Laurenceb_> bbl
2015-09-15T10:59:41 < PeterM> onion is 10/10, so is clickhole
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2015-09-15T11:11:27 < dongs> PAM8301AAF
2015-09-15T11:11:30 < dongs> this will do
2015-09-15T11:11:59 < dongs> perfect for lazy like me with zero external parts
2015-09-15T11:12:10 < ReadError> hmm
2015-09-15T11:12:18 < ReadError> wish there was a way to identify bearings
2015-09-15T11:12:27 < ReadError> ordered some NMB from hongkong
2015-09-15T11:12:33 < ReadError> but guy put them in a bag..
2015-09-15T11:12:54 < dongs> haha
2015-09-15T11:12:57 < dongs> and theyt're all mxied?
2015-09-15T11:12:59 < dongs> mixed
2015-09-15T11:13:41 < ReadError> they are in a anti-static bag heh
2015-09-15T11:17:14 < Roklobsta> dongs nonono it's class d.
2015-09-15T11:17:20 < dongs> wats wronmg wiht class D
2015-09-15T11:17:30 < Roklobsta> <earlier> you can get class D amps that have no extra parts but not for plain old class AB sudio amps.
2015-09-15T11:17:47 < dongs> oh
2015-09-15T11:17:50 < dongs> yeah but
2015-09-15T11:17:56 < dongs> my goal = makes audio, has no external parts
2015-09-15T11:18:01 < dongs> does this not achieve it?
2015-09-15T11:18:08 < Roklobsta> make your widget do pwm audio then
2015-09-15T11:18:19 < dongs> why, i haz a dac
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2015-09-15T11:50:10 < dos_fan]> either way you're going to need a low pass reconstruction filter.. just design a shitty filter that does an impedance transformation.
2015-09-15T11:59:28 < PeterM> nah fuck it, jsut dstick a ferrite bead on the output, she'll be right mate
2015-09-15T12:01:35 < dos_fan]> lol
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2015-09-15T13:04:17 < Mr_Sheesh> Question for you folks; What STM32 discovery board would you run if you need to stay at 5V for the ARM uC's power supply? Hoping to find one that has 1 or 2 DACs on it as well; Should be easier to do this project on an STM32 than an AVR and I don't feel like using a RPi for this...
2015-09-15T13:04:41 < jpa-> there aren't any STM32 that would operate at 5V
2015-09-15T13:04:54 < jpa-> all discovery boards have 3.3V regulator on the board
2015-09-15T13:05:40 < Mr_Sheesh> Aaah; OK. Then which one would you run with, that has a DAC on there? I need to do some audio stuff, mainly lower frequencies, new to STM32s
2015-09-15T13:06:29 < jpa-> audio dac? IIRC those are on the F4 discovery
2015-09-15T13:06:49 < jpa-> most STM32's also have built-in 12 bit 2 channel DAC that is enough for crappy audio
2015-09-15T13:07:11 < Mr_Sheesh> Yeah; I just don't want to mess with an R/2R cheap junk DAC.
2015-09-15T13:07:37 < jubatus> use cheap TDA1541
2015-09-15T13:07:48 < jpa-> yeah, well F4 discovery should work fine; easier to get started with the built-in DAC and you can use the higher-quality I2S DAC chip later if you want
2015-09-15T13:08:25 < jpa-> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM116/SC959/SS1532/PF252419
2015-09-15T13:09:34 < Mr_Sheesh> st.com seems to have issues tonight for me, won't load
2015-09-15T13:09:52 < jpa-> doesn't surprise
2015-09-15T13:11:52 < Mr_Sheesh> OK, TY, I'll look more in the morning, should be a good option. Lots more CPU speed than an AVR :)
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2015-09-15T13:42:54 < dongs> Mr_Sheesh: there's a couple silabs M3 parts that run at 5V
2015-09-15T13:43:00 < dongs> and even have built in gate drivers on PWM outputs
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2015-09-15T14:41:27 < Lux> psoc5 and those Nuvoton m0 mcus also run at 5V
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2015-09-15T14:47:36 < Lux> dongs: that efm32 stuff ? or do they also make other mcus ?
2015-09-15T14:47:50 < tkoskine> And TI and Atmel also have 5V variants for their Cortex-Mx chips.
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2015-09-15T14:52:42 < scrts_w> 5V... I wonder why it's not dead
2015-09-15T14:52:49 < scrts_w> must be left for chargers only
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2015-09-15T14:55:34 < PeterM> 5V is useful for driving stuff directly from micro pins - but that is it pretty much.
2015-09-15T14:57:17 < scrts_w> most of our designs now communicate at 1.8V
2015-09-15T14:57:28 < scrts_w> so 3.3V will be forgotten
2015-09-15T15:00:35 < dongs> Lux: not efm, something else i think.
2015-09-15T15:00:38 < dongs> precision32 looks like?
2015-09-15T15:02:36 < Lux> yeah, that's it thanks
2015-09-15T15:02:45 < dongs> their site is pretty trash
2015-09-15T15:03:12 < dongs> https://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/SiM3U1xx.pdf SIm3U something or other
2015-09-15T15:03:46 < dongs> it has that silabs I/O matrix
2015-09-15T15:03:49 < dongs> where any pin can be any pin
2015-09-15T15:05:45 < Lux> that's cool, but those things also have limitations
2015-09-15T15:06:19 < Lux> noticed that with the psoc5 stuff... + the solver took forever to configure the pins
2015-09-15T15:06:29 < dongs> psuck is different
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2015-09-15T15:11:27 < jubatus> on the psoc you can configure the Vcc Vdd to be any pin. crazy shit.
2015-09-15T15:18:27 < scrts_w> select no pins!
2015-09-15T15:18:29 < scrts_w> :)
2015-09-15T15:45:46 < stukdev> wtf isn't there HAL_FLASHEx_OBErase in stmf4 :/
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2015-09-15T16:15:23 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/J-link-JTAG-Adapter-Converter-ULINK2-Emulator-V8-all-ARM-for-TQ2440-MINI2440-/311370327384 that small connector in the bottom of the board
2015-09-15T16:16:15 < kakimir> is not that 10 pin mini connector
2015-09-15T16:17:30 < kakimir> what a useless board
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2015-09-15T16:48:56 < dongs> emeb: found PAM8301 for $~0.20
2015-09-15T16:49:30 < dongs> whats your higher highs assessment of that one
2015-09-15T16:49:45 < emeb> looking...
2015-09-15T16:50:47 < emeb> that's cute
2015-09-15T16:50:59 < emeb> tiny, no big caps needed...
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2015-09-15T16:58:18 < emeb> dongs: looks like a nice part. You can make a simple RC LPF for reconstruction and gain control but it's hard for me to tell right off what the ideal values would be.
2015-09-15T16:59:03 < emeb> so that plus 3 passive parts hooked to the F4xx DAC output would probably work fine.
2015-09-15T16:59:55 < dongs> emeb: on where? input or output
2015-09-15T17:00:10 < dongs> im gueessing input
2015-09-15T17:01:11 < emeb> F4xx DAC pin - DC blocking cap (0.1-1.0uf) - LPF & Gain resistor - PAM input
2015-09-15T17:01:24 < emeb> then an LPF cap from PAM input to GND
2015-09-15T17:01:47 < dongs> hm thats adding more parts than i really care about
2015-09-15T17:01:53 < dongs> i can understand rc lpf, what about rest of shit?
2015-09-15T17:01:54 < dongs> wahts gain for
2015-09-15T17:02:13 < emeb> DC blocking cap?
2015-09-15T17:02:28 < dongs> no like
2015-09-15T17:02:31 < dongs> i ahve dc cap now
2015-09-15T17:02:38 < dongs> dac -> cap -> pam input
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2015-09-15T17:02:55 < dongs> i can add a rc lpf after cap (?or before cap?)
2015-09-15T17:02:59 < dongs> but whats the 'gain resistor' thing?
2015-09-15T17:03:26 < emeb> gain resistor is to control how hard the DAC drives the amp
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2015-09-15T17:03:44 < emeb> if DAC full swing overdrives the amp then you lose resolution
2015-09-15T17:03:55 < emeb> so resistor is there to limit gain
2015-09-15T17:04:14 < emeb> DAC gives ~3.3Vpp
2015-09-15T17:04:31 < dongs> but if you turn on buffer
2015-09-15T17:04:35 < dongs> its less
2015-09-15T17:04:40 < emeb> only slightly less
2015-09-15T17:04:47 < emeb> 3.1Vpp maybe
2015-09-15T17:05:08 < dongs> so you think its necesary
2015-09-15T17:05:23 < emeb> you could always just reduce the signal range in DSP
2015-09-15T17:05:38 < emeb> but that cuts resolution and raises noise floor
2015-09-15T17:05:48 < emeb> so it's better to use analog gain -> resistor
2015-09-15T17:06:25 < emeb> But - for minimum parts, just use DC blocking cap and make up for it in software.
2015-09-15T17:06:31 < dongs> yay
2015-09-15T17:07:21 < emeb> If it were me I'd put two more passives in the signal path just for pro / hifi. :)
2015-09-15T17:08:07 < dongs> so R in series and C to gnd right? but thats just LPF?
2015-09-15T17:08:12 < emeb> yes
2015-09-15T17:08:14 < dongs> or do you mean another R after that for gain?
2015-09-15T17:08:17 < emeb> no
2015-09-15T17:08:21 < dongs> just thast?
2015-09-15T17:08:25 < emeb> yes
2015-09-15T17:08:33 < emeb> the PAM input has 10k impedance
2015-09-15T17:08:44 < emeb> so the value of R you use affects gain too
2015-09-15T17:08:48 < dongs> ah right
2015-09-15T17:08:52 < dongs> im looking at some tarduino shit
2015-09-15T17:08:57 < dongs> 1.5k/10nF for 11khz lpf
2015-09-15T17:09:02 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-09-15T17:09:06 < Laurenceb> dongs is a perman00b
2015-09-15T17:09:11 < dongs> yuep
2015-09-15T17:09:15 < dongs> and proud of it
2015-09-15T17:09:19 < dongs> i leave analol'g shit to pros
2015-09-15T17:09:28  * Laurenceb has just got be from "impact expo"
2015-09-15T17:09:35 < Laurenceb> it was as bullshit as it sounds
2015-09-15T17:09:59 < Laurenceb> what I want to know is why theres always the same people at any bullshit event in the UK
2015-09-15T17:10:22 < dongs> emeb: wait, that RC is before or after ac bias cap
2015-09-15T17:10:32 < emeb> dongs: yes - those values give ~10.6kHz corner freq
2015-09-15T17:10:42 < Laurenceb> Quinetiq etc
2015-09-15T17:10:47 < emeb> and it doesn't matter what order you put them in
2015-09-15T17:11:04 < dongs> mmkay ill do them before
2015-09-15T17:11:06 < emeb> but I'd put DC cap @ F4 output, then R, then C
2015-09-15T17:11:12 < dongs> o okay
2015-09-15T17:11:13 < dongs> then after.
2015-09-15T17:11:37 < emeb> the 1.5k resistor won't affect gain much
2015-09-15T17:11:57 < dongs> i could always replace it wiht 0R
2015-09-15T17:11:59 < dongs> and NP the cap
2015-09-15T17:12:01 < dongs> for max pro
2015-09-15T17:12:02 < emeb> yes
2015-09-15T17:12:03 < dongs> if something isnt working
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2015-09-15T17:13:18 < emeb> if you need to cut gain then just multiply R and divide C by same factor to preserve corner freq
2015-09-15T17:13:25 < emeb> (so double R, half C, etc)
2015-09-15T17:15:39 < emeb> (07:09:59 AM) Laurenceb: what I want to know is why theres always the same people at any bullshit event in the UK
2015-09-15T17:15:49 < emeb> because UK is a small place
2015-09-15T17:16:00 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-09-15T17:16:09 < Laurenceb> I think its more a case of BS circlejerk
2015-09-15T17:16:14 < dongs> lolz
2015-09-15T17:16:22 < dongs> circuitmaker is leaking ram
2015-09-15T17:16:26 < dongs> left it running  for liek @4 hours
2015-09-15T17:16:26 < emeb> BS in UK is even smaller
2015-09-15T17:16:30 < dongs> ate up 2gb
2015-09-15T17:16:35 < emeb> heh
2015-09-15T17:16:35 < Laurenceb> surprising lack of security
2015-09-15T17:16:54 < Laurenceb> I wasnt searched going into the building despite all the VIPs
2015-09-15T17:17:11 < emeb> could have had a bomb belt
2015-09-15T17:17:27 < Laurenceb> should have
2015-09-15T17:17:35 < Laurenceb> suicide bomb against BS
2015-09-15T17:18:05 < Laurenceb> wipe out qinetiq for good
2015-09-15T17:18:45 < Laurenceb> apparently they are trying to make a clone of D-wave
2015-09-15T17:19:32 < emeb> quantum computing?
2015-09-15T17:19:41 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-09-15T17:19:53 < emeb> definitely bs
2015-09-15T17:20:06 < Laurenceb> not necessarily
2015-09-15T17:20:22 < Laurenceb> but that doesnt change the fact that I hate qinetiq
2015-09-15T17:21:01 < dongs> quintic hit WTC on the way out of Laurenceb door
2015-09-15T17:21:08 < Laurenceb> probably
2015-09-15T17:21:10 < Laurenceb> wait wtf
2015-09-15T17:21:16 < Laurenceb> https://www.qinetiq.com/media/news/releases/Pages/qinetiq-wins-darpa-electric-hub-drive-design-and-development-contract.aspx
2015-09-15T17:21:18 < BrainDamage> it doesn't help that the general population has a very distorted view of the benefits of quantum computing
2015-09-15T17:21:22 < Laurenceb> they are scamming DARPA now
2015-09-15T17:21:29 < emeb> lol
2015-09-15T17:21:31 < Laurenceb> how is that even possible
2015-09-15T17:21:38 < emeb> DARPA is a whore
2015-09-15T17:21:41 < Laurenceb> lol USA is gunna get scammed as well now
2015-09-15T17:21:44 < BrainDamage> as if using qbits will magically make pcs 10x faster
2015-09-15T17:21:47 < Laurenceb> pwned
2015-09-15T17:21:56 < dongs> they need to research niggits
2015-09-15T17:22:01 < emeb> throw munnies at anyone with a cool story bro
2015-09-15T17:22:42 < Laurenceb> well they had a hot booth babe
2015-09-15T17:22:48 < emeb> DARPA motto "If it already works we're not interested"
2015-09-15T17:23:11 < Laurenceb> she claimed to know about IMUs
2015-09-15T17:23:24 < Laurenceb> but then started bullshitting me so hard I had to leave
2015-09-15T17:23:43 < emeb> Laurenceb BS detector in red zone
2015-09-15T17:24:02 < dongs> <Laurenceb> Hi, it looks like  you're collecting sand in your vagina. Would you like help with that? ^_-
2015-09-15T17:24:10 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2015-09-15T17:24:45 < Laurenceb> in other news
2015-09-15T17:24:46 < Laurenceb> http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2015/09/15/anti_robot_prostitution_campaign/
2015-09-15T17:25:01 < Laurenceb> sign up 4 great justice
2015-09-15T17:25:04 < emeb> saw that
2015-09-15T17:25:26 < emeb> seems like some people don't have enough to worry about
2015-09-15T17:25:47 < BrainDamage> uk will end up more sexually frustrated than japanese you'll end up with the weirdest shit
2015-09-15T17:26:52 < emeb> "all humans have unethical relationships with their hands"
2015-09-15T17:27:25 < dongs> man dcmi pinout is retarded
2015-09-15T17:27:37 < kakimir> sex robots - true reason why you became robotics engineer
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2015-09-15T17:42:53 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/yxJO5Px.jpg
2015-09-15T17:43:55 < emeb> ok, funny.
2015-09-15T17:44:40 < kakimir> mazda 323 true robust car
2015-09-15T17:45:35 < kakimir> I remember I saw chart of car lifecycles in finland and mazda 323 was superior
2015-09-15T17:47:02 < BrainDamage> at least it's not a wanking motor
2015-09-15T17:51:17 < gxti> boost goes in, apex seals come out. never a miscommunication. you can't explain that!
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2015-09-15T17:53:50 < kakimir> it's perfect combination of typical japanise bare to bones car combined with poor owner
2015-09-15T17:53:58 < kakimir> last forever
2015-09-15T17:54:55 < kakimir> I think it's my next car
2015-09-15T17:56:00 < dongs> http://www.businessinsider.com.au/tony-abbott-sent-a-fax-to-resign-as-prime-minister-2015-9
2015-09-15T17:56:21 < englishman> just like that dude that killed those reporters
2015-09-15T17:56:23 < englishman> what a monster
2015-09-15T17:56:35 < dongs> ya
2015-09-15T17:56:40 < dongs> englishman: your shit shipped, i was surprised
2015-09-15T17:56:48 < dongs> superfast.
2015-09-15T17:56:57 < englishman> shes pro meng
2015-09-15T17:57:03 < dongs> ill try to queue it in between wanks and afros
2015-09-15T17:57:08 < englishman> probably supplying the cloners too, so she had stock
2015-09-15T17:57:14 < dongs> lole
2015-09-15T17:57:39 < dongs> apparently another large white chunk of shit found off reunion
2015-09-15T17:57:49 < dongs> racist parts
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2015-09-15T18:34:40 < dongs> btw preordered this http://www.banggood.com/Cheerson-CX-10C-CX10C-Mini-2_4G-4CH-6-Axis-RC-Quadcopter-with-Camera-RTF-p-989909.html
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2015-09-15T18:37:26 < dongs> scrts_w: http://i.imgur.com/um9t08T.png zanoclone update, too lazy to finish routing DCMI mess today, will do tomrorow.
2015-09-15T18:41:38 < scrts_w> heh
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2015-09-15T18:46:20 < emeb> nazo camera.
2015-09-15T18:46:28 < emeb> sounds like something you put up your nose
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2015-09-15T18:53:00 < scrts_w> what do you expect from the camera, that has the lens size of the dick hole?
2015-09-15T18:54:39 < dongs> https://youtu.be/MyZMCG4DMDc?t=255 lolz, CX10C has better video quality than zano!!
2015-09-15T18:54:44 < dongs> with only 0.3mp cam
2015-09-15T18:54:58 < dongs> this shit is too fucking new theres only like 2 flight videos on the 'tubes
2015-09-15T18:56:03 < karlp> kakimir: I hace that adapter board you linked.  yeah, not ideal, but still helpful.  some of the connectors are non-arm jtag layouts, that's all.
2015-09-15T18:56:11 < zyp> dongs, nice
2015-09-15T18:56:17 < karlp> kinda tempted to make my own.
2015-09-15T18:56:21 < zyp> motion looks pretty good
2015-09-15T18:56:22 < dongs> karlp: that bottom one is not 1.27mm pitch tho right?
2015-09-15T18:56:28 < dongs> zyp: yep, way better than zano
2015-09-15T18:56:57 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34057003 compare to the garbage here
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2015-09-15T18:57:34 < dongs> Dean about 10 hours ago
2015-09-15T18:57:35 < dongs> Why is it the camera quality of this Chinese Knock off is on par with the Zano (from pics and previews)
2015-09-15T18:59:57 < kakimir> whem your zano is ready dongs ?
2015-09-15T19:00:10 < kakimir> why didn't you began earlier
2015-09-15T19:00:24 < karlp> dongs:, nah 2mm pitch
2015-09-15T19:00:27 < karlp> some mips connector
2015-09-15T19:00:31 < dongs> fail
2015-09-15T19:00:35 < dongs> PIC32 connector
2015-09-15T19:00:48 < karlp> yeah, and six pin swd isnt' stlink layout either :|
2015-09-15T19:01:00 < karlp> like, who else has a six pin swd?! why would you do a different one?!
2015-09-15T19:01:27 < zyp> TC2030-CTX is six pin
2015-09-15T19:01:35 < zyp> well, six pad rather
2015-09-15T19:01:50 < dongs> crap-connect?
2015-09-15T19:02:00 < scrts_w> zano probably overcompressing images :)
2015-09-15T19:02:29 < mtbg> http://lampizator.eu/digilampizator/CD%20Transport%20Digi-Lampizator.html
2015-09-15T19:03:09 < dongs> mtbg: too much jitter
2015-09-15T19:03:12 < dongs> not aceptable
2015-09-15T19:03:13 < dongs> k bedtime
2015-09-15T19:03:27 < Laurenceb> but where are the imu sensors?
2015-09-15T19:06:35 < Laurenceb> lul http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-34258993
2015-09-15T19:06:41 < Laurenceb> sounds like an irc user
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2015-09-15T19:16:33 < kakimir> speak anime Laurenceb
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2015-09-15T20:30:42 < Laurenceb> lol irc trollz  https://www.dropbox.com/s/49zo6lwg68qugm3/2015-09-15%2018.17.11.jpg?dl=0
2015-09-15T20:30:57 < Laurenceb> two guys in the background are on irc
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2015-09-15T20:31:04 < Laurenceb> literally
2015-09-15T20:33:11 < Sync> obviously
2015-09-15T20:34:16 < Laurenceb> no really, they hang in #highaltitude all day
2015-09-15T20:43:04 < emeb> tax dollars at work
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2015-09-15T21:06:16 < zyp> Laurenceb, isn't sitting on irc what work is for?
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2015-09-15T21:06:56 < Steffanx> Laurenceb doesn't do something else .. also tax pounds at work
2015-09-15T21:07:36 < tasslehoff> I'm about to start developing a userspace application in Linux to program an stm32 device over SPI, and it suddenly occured to me that maybe someone has done it before :)
2015-09-15T21:07:47 < tasslehoff> Any available apps/tools/drivers for that?
2015-09-15T21:08:11 < zyp> SPI?
2015-09-15T21:10:10 < tasslehoff> zyp: yes. is that odd?
2015-09-15T21:10:36 < mtbg> built-in bootloader supports uart and sometimes usb
2015-09-15T21:11:24 < zyp> tasslehoff, no, I'm just wondering what you're hooking it up to? something that has a kernel spi driver?
2015-09-15T21:11:49 < zyp> like an ARM SBC or something?
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2015-09-15T21:12:20 < zyp> or are you using a different transport layer to some sort of SPI adapter?
2015-09-15T21:12:27 < tasslehoff> it's hooked up through spi (and i2c) to an arm running linux
2015-09-15T21:12:36 < zyp> right ok
2015-09-15T21:13:14 < jpa-> tasslehoff: what is wrong with swd?
2015-09-15T21:13:17 < zyp> how are you putting the device into bootloader mode? do you already have a communication framework that you can utilize?
2015-09-15T21:14:07 < zyp> jpa-, swd is nice for development, but a bit more complex than required for field upgrades
2015-09-15T21:14:14 < jpa-> true
2015-09-15T21:14:25 < jpa-> missed the part about permanently being hooked up
2015-09-15T21:15:07 < tasslehoff> jpa-: permanently hooked up, and communicating on spi/i2c after upgrade as well :)
2015-09-15T21:15:38 < Sync> why not use uart?
2015-09-15T21:16:33 < zyp> tasslehoff, in my bootloader, I have a core with three commands (prepare/write_block/finish), which I can then hook to any packet layer
2015-09-15T21:16:39 < tasslehoff> zyp: currently we are prototyping, and have connected an arm evalboard to an stlink evalboard, so I can but it in bootloader mode manually. I think hw plans to control the boot mode pin from an uC in the end.
2015-09-15T21:17:14 < zyp> I originally hooked it to USB DFU, but I later changed it to USB HID to simplify the host side software
2015-09-15T21:17:24 < tasslehoff> Sync: I don't really know. That decision was not made by me.
2015-09-15T21:17:46 < zyp> so if you already have a packet layer over SPI, I'd suggest just reusing that for transporting a few bootloader packets
2015-09-15T21:18:08 < zyp> with a custom bootloader, of course
2015-09-15T21:18:13 < Sync> because spi just seems strange
2015-09-15T21:18:29 < zyp> Sync, why? spi is perfectly fine
2015-09-15T21:18:48 < Sync> sure, idk, I just never seen somebody do it that waxy
2015-09-15T21:18:51 < Sync> -x
2015-09-15T21:18:55 < tasslehoff> zyp: I've created a loader that upgrades an stm32f4 over i2c, and the change to spi does not seem immense.
2015-09-15T21:19:04 < zyp> shouldn't be
2015-09-15T21:19:11  * tasslehoff was about to google what waxy could mean in this context :D
2015-09-15T21:19:34 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp#n71 <- here's this core I mentioned
2015-09-15T21:19:39 < zyp> and the HID adapter right below it
2015-09-15T21:21:36 < tasslehoff> hm. that link does not work for me.
2015-09-15T21:21:54 < zyp> strange, it should
2015-09-15T21:22:41 < zyp> maybe your ipv6 setup is broken and doesn't fall back properly to ipv4?
2015-09-15T21:23:55 < tasslehoff> chrome handled it properly. firefox did not
2015-09-15T21:26:39 < zyp> for i2c I would probably have a command register with bits to trigger prepare/finish and a fifo register that feeds into write_block
2015-09-15T21:26:56 < zyp> either way, it's a simple model and easy to map to all sorts of transports
2015-09-15T21:27:59 < tasslehoff> zyp: thanks. I'll take a look at it.
2015-09-15T21:28:38 < zyp> if your protocol doesn't support direct error reporting, you should probably make a third error state so that an error during write_block would keep future writes from happening
2015-09-15T21:29:02 < zyp> in my case I'm returning error codes over usb as soon as an error occurs
2015-09-15T21:30:26 < tasslehoff> zyp: but do I really need a custom bootloader?
2015-09-15T21:30:52 < zyp> I don't know? does the stock one include an SPI mode?
2015-09-15T21:31:46 < tasslehoff> zyp: yes :)
2015-09-15T21:32:36 < zyp> well, if it's appropriate for your application, then I guess it's fine
2015-09-15T21:32:47 < tasslehoff> zyp: I'm fairly happy with the way my i2c loader turned out, so I'll try to adapt that one. I may be back later :)
2015-09-15T21:32:52 < tasslehoff> thanks for sparring
2015-09-15T21:33:02 < zyp> in my case, I could have gone with the USB mode in the built in one,
2015-09-15T21:34:53 < karlp> tasslehoff: you're going to have another uC to control the boot pin of the stm32 uC?
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2015-09-15T21:38:10 < zyp> but then I would be stuck with the stock trigging of the bootloader
2015-09-15T21:38:25 < zyp> and STM's messed up DFU derivate
2015-09-15T21:38:57 < zyp> if you write your own bootloader, you get to choose the trigger conditions yourself
2015-09-15T21:39:39 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp#n255 <- in my case I have a bunch of buttons on the board, so I can force it into bootloader mode by pressing a custom pattern while powering it up
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2015-09-15T21:45:55 < tasslehoff> karlp: yes, that is the plan
2015-09-15T21:49:09 < zyp> uh
2015-09-15T21:49:21 < zyp> don't you have spare gpio pins on the SBC?
2015-09-15T21:51:27 < tasslehoff> zyp: the product is controlled from the outside, and the uC controls reset on all processors, so it fits in that it controls the boot mode as well.
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2015-09-15T21:52:13 < zyp> I used to work on similar stuff, where we had a userland daemon controlling bootup of a second system through a uart and the kernel gpio api
2015-09-15T21:53:26 < zyp> some of that didn't have flash at all, so it was loaded every boot
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2015-09-15T22:31:45 < neuro_sys> hello, using GPIO_InitTypeDef and GPIO_Init is the only way to set a GPIO as either output or input? It seems tedious for bit-banging where I'm emulating software SPI or something.
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2015-09-15T22:42:10 < Fleck> neuro_sys: what do you mean? use registers to configure ports/clocks
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2015-09-15T22:53:24 < zyp> neuro_sys, what neuro_sys said
2015-09-15T22:53:48 < zyp> all the registers are documented in the reference manual, so you don't have to use anything if you don't want to
2015-09-15T22:54:17 < zyp> also, when you have three SPI ports or whatever, why do you even want to bitbang it?
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2015-09-15T23:54:20 < Ecco> Are there chips that combine flash,ram and Cortex core but that would be significantly more powerful than STM32s?
2015-09-15T23:54:42 < Ecco> Like, for example, 1GHz ARM-A core, 1 GB of DDR RAM, and 1 GB of Flash?
2015-09-15T23:54:59 < Ecco> And if that does not exist, why not?
2015-09-15T23:56:14 < mtbg> placing high capacity memories on the same die as the core would be at least expensive
2015-09-15T23:56:23 < mtbg> if even possible in current processes
2015-09-15T23:57:16 < Ecco> Interesting. How comes?
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2015-09-16T00:00:24 < zyp> different processes?
2015-09-16T00:01:04 < zyp> multiple dies in a single package would be more likely, but still inconvenient
2015-09-16T00:01:20 < zyp> that's why you get PoP packages instead
2015-09-16T00:02:23 < zyp> so you put the memory on top of the cpu, which means you can mix memory and cpu chips as you like, but still get the benefit of not having to route between them on your pcb
2015-09-16T00:03:55 < zyp> there's no real benefit from combining them any further than that
2015-09-16T00:04:00 < zyp> no market
2015-09-16T00:04:21 < zyp> if you want a single part with cpu, memory and flash, you buy a SoM
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2015-09-16T00:10:27 < chris_99> can you get a package with a cpu with memory on top that's not-bga out of interest, in something like tqfp
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2015-09-16T00:18:11 < neuro_sys> zyp: Fleck, right, so peripherals library is a bit high level for that, and I should just modify the registers. zyp: it wasn't SPI, but one-wire protocol, which requires configuring the pin as output and input quickly.
2015-09-16T00:20:12 < zyp> say that then :)
2015-09-16T00:21:02 < zyp> oh, and for one-wire, wouldn't you just want to run the pin in open drain mode?
2015-09-16T00:21:10 < neuro_sys> yeah
2015-09-16T00:21:29 < neuro_sys> so that is not the same as setting the pin as input?
2015-09-16T00:21:35 < zyp> no?
2015-09-16T00:22:03 < neuro_sys> (in pic16, I'd just set it as input, and hey, a fresh noob here)
2015-09-16T00:22:17 < zyp> well, does pic16 even have opendrain? :p
2015-09-16T00:22:40  * neuro_sys looks open drain (open collector?) up.
2015-09-16T00:22:49 < zyp> yeah
2015-09-16T00:23:13 < zyp> collector and drain are analogue terms
2015-09-16T00:23:29 < zyp> a bjt collector is pretty much equivalent to a fet drain
2015-09-16T00:24:23 < neuro_sys> so, if it was an open drain pin, then there'd be no need to set it as output and input constantly, right?
2015-09-16T00:24:38 < neuro_sys> because open drain lets you output a signal, and act as a drain when idle?
2015-09-16T00:25:33 < zyp> open drain means that you disable the high side driver block
2015-09-16T00:25:53 < zyp> so instead of outputting either low or high, the pin would only be outputting low or letting it float
2015-09-16T00:26:20 < zyp> which means that outputting 1 is equivalent to setting the pin in input mode, except you don't have to change modes all the time
2015-09-16T00:26:52 < neuro_sys> yeah got it
2015-09-16T00:26:59 < zyp> also, I don't remember the 1wire protocol in detail now, but IIRC it's timing based
2015-09-16T00:27:13 < neuro_sys> yes
2015-09-16T00:27:29 < zyp> and for timing based protocols, it's often convenient to generate it from a timer in output compare mode, rather than bitbanging it by hand
2015-09-16T00:27:29 < neuro_sys> and it requires a pull-up resistor on the data line
2015-09-16T00:28:30 < zyp> yes, since nobody is driving high
2015-09-16T00:28:41 < zyp> it's common for shared bus protocols, i2c works the same way
2015-09-16T00:29:37 < neuro_sys> the timings are rather irregular, is it still better to do it with timers?
2015-09-16T00:29:52 < neuro_sys> err, or no
2015-09-16T00:29:59 < neuro_sys> not when bit banging the data
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2015-09-16T00:31:04 < zyp> hmm, is the master driving the clock at all times?
2015-09-16T00:32:06 < karlp> bit banging means you can do it on any pin you like though, and it's normally slow enough you don't care anyway.
2015-09-16T00:32:36 < zyp> karlp, like stm32s have any shortage of timer pins :)
2015-09-16T00:32:51 < neuro_sys> there's no clock at all, there's only this timings the slaves expect as far as I understand
2015-09-16T00:33:02 < neuro_sys> btw it's ds18b20 digital temperature sensor
2015-09-16T00:33:02 < karlp> yeah, but you have to remember which timer is which and which pin is on which timer output...
2015-09-16T00:33:18 < zyp> well, it's a digital protocol, obviously there's a clock
2015-09-16T00:33:23 < zyp> it's just embedded in the signal
2015-09-16T00:33:39 < karlp> (I just bitbang the psuedo one-wire thing I have, because it means it works the same on avr, and all the stm boards without checking or changing nufink
2015-09-16T00:34:24 < karlp> neuro_sys: here's your ds18b20 done for you: https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/pull/35
2015-09-16T00:35:06 < neuro_sys> karlp: ha thanks
2015-09-16T00:35:08 < zyp> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/1-Wire-Protocol.png <- if I read this right, you could easily do writes with output capture and reads with input capture
2015-09-16T00:35:50 < zyp> which allows you to do a full transfer with dma, which means the cpu can do other stuff in the mean time
2015-09-16T00:36:13 < karlp> if that's important, yes, you can definitely use it like that :)
2015-09-16T00:37:01 < zyp> for reads you can let CH1 use OC to generate the timing pulses, while CH2 reads back CH1 to grab timings with input capture
2015-09-16T00:37:28 < zyp> assuming, of course, that the slave grabs the data line before the master releases it during the reads, like in the diagrams
2015-09-16T00:37:38 < zyp> otherwise IC would trigger on master releasing the line
2015-09-16T00:39:31 < [7]> rewolff2: "And the STLINK modules from china don't have the RESET pin wired on the F103 where the STLINK on the Discovery boards have it" - I have a software fix for that if you're interested
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2015-09-16T00:51:45 < [7]> oh, and even more ds18b20 code: https://github.com/TheSeven/firmware/blob/master/src/device/ds1820/ds1820.cpp
2015-09-16T00:52:11 < [7]> (that one is bitbanging as well)
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2015-09-16T01:19:36 < Laurenceb_> wtf https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/when_did_treason_become_legal_fr#outgoing-404215
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2015-09-16T02:03:31 < karlp> [7]: why does your cpp layer do GPIO::setLevel(pin,...) rather than pin.setLevel? it's not even port::setlevel(pin...) but your onewire stuff operates as bus:: and device::, seemed a little odd?
2015-09-16T02:03:51 < karlp> fun reading totally different code though :) nice to see other things :)
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2015-09-16T02:18:01 < zyp> pretty different from my approach
2015-09-16T02:18:29 < zyp> if my approach to C++ is «C with classes», that one looks more like «C with namespaces»
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2015-09-16T02:20:26 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-09-16T02:21:09 < zyp> oh, dongs is up, time to go to bed
2015-09-16T02:21:16 < dongs> heh
2015-09-16T02:21:32 < dongs> i should order arcin parts and have you pay for them. but dont stay up for that
2015-09-16T02:21:48 < zyp> true, I should also order digikey parts
2015-09-16T02:21:53 < zyp> hmm
2015-09-16T02:22:00 < dongs> ohh
2015-09-16T02:22:02 < dongs> those headers?
2015-09-16T02:22:08 < zyp> yeah
2015-09-16T02:22:33 < zyp> it's still weird that chinagirl can't get those, I see XH used on tons of cheap china shit
2015-09-16T02:22:51 < dongs> i can retry if you get me the spec again
2015-09-16T02:22:59 < dongs> i think the issue last time was the clones/boss stuff
2015-09-16T02:23:11 < dongs> arent the ones you asked had special alignment stuff
2015-09-16T02:24:07 < zyp> well, they have that plastic pin, but the variant without it would obviously fit as well
2015-09-16T02:24:18 < dongs> righto
2015-09-16T02:24:28 < dongs> well, gimme part#s again and  qtys and ill retry
2015-09-16T02:24:36 < dongs> and if not you can order tomrorow
2015-09-16T02:25:31 < zyp> JST-XH, 2 and 4-pin
2015-09-16T02:26:07 < dongs> vertical?
2015-09-16T02:26:16 < zyp> B2B-XH-AM and B4B-XH-AM (or replace -AM with -A for variants without the pin)
2015-09-16T02:26:17 < dongs> and how many of each
2015-09-16T02:26:17 < dongs> ok
2015-09-16T02:26:50 < zyp> 2 two-pin and 13 four-pin per board
2015-09-16T02:27:05 < zyp> IIRC I usually do 250 and 1500 respectively for a batch
2015-09-16T02:27:06 < dongs> and fr4 is 56*2
2015-09-16T02:27:43 < dongs> hm my notes say its 56 sheets w/2 per
2015-09-16T02:27:55 < dongs> were we ordering more than one m^2?
2015-09-16T02:28:05 < zyp> idk?
2015-09-16T02:28:32 < dongs> kk, will confirm later today. cuz m^2 is ordered and it should be 56*2 and there's 7 sheets remaining from previous batch
2015-09-16T02:28:36 < dongs> (unless this info is old
2015-09-16T02:28:37 < zyp> I think I just said I wanted around 100 first time, and that was somehow rounded up to 112, and that's what we've done since
2015-09-16T02:28:52 < dongs> okayh.
2015-09-16T02:29:31 < dongs> so how many is getting assembled?
2015-09-16T02:29:34 < dongs> for parts purposes
2015-09-16T02:29:38 < dongs> all, or still ~100?
2015-09-16T02:29:52 < zyp> uh, the leftover sheets, are they v1.1 or v1.1.1?
2015-09-16T02:31:05 < dongs> how can i check?
2015-09-16T02:31:10 < dongs> is there a versioN# on it?
2015-09-16T02:31:13 < zyp> it's marked on the silk
2015-09-16T02:31:17 < dongs> ok
2015-09-16T02:31:50 < zyp> first four batches were v1.1, fifth were v1.1.1, and I hope you got that right on current as well :p
2015-09-16T02:32:48 < dongs> will check. i have 1.1.1 data from 11/19/2014
2015-09-16T02:33:04 < dongs> camdata from factory.
2015-09-16T02:33:12 < dongs> the leftovers should be latest revision
2015-09-16T02:33:16 < dongs> will know after 9e
2015-09-16T02:33:42 < dongs> go to sleep, will let you know later ;d
2015-09-16T02:33:44 < zyp> okay, if they are v1.1.1 then I guess just assemble them as well
2015-09-16T02:34:45 < zyp> I don't want to deal with distinguishing between them, so I don't want any v1.1 boards assembled
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2015-09-16T02:55:11 < dongs> haha, norcoscam denied my $70 refund for shipping they never used
2015-09-16T02:55:20 < dongs> furiously logging in to see their excuse
2015-09-16T02:55:43 < dongs> Can you close this dispute? I will
2015-09-16T02:55:43 < dongs> refund you once this dispute is
2015-09-16T02:55:44 < dongs> closed. We do charge a $5
2015-09-16T02:55:44 < dongs> handling fee. I will refund $63.15
2015-09-16T02:55:44 < dongs> once the dispute is closed.
2015-09-16T02:55:46 < dongs> haha.
2015-09-16T02:55:48 < dongs> how about no.
2015-09-16T02:58:23 < zyp> haha
2015-09-16T03:10:59 < dongs> not sure why i should pay a handling fee for  thier fuckup
2015-09-16T03:11:05 < dongs> and getting my shit like a week and a half later
2015-09-16T03:11:08 < dongs> instead of ~next day
2015-09-16T03:11:16 < dongs> if anything, I should be charging THEM a handling fee?
2015-09-16T03:11:26 < dongs> never mind that asking to close a dispute is lol
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2015-09-16T03:11:37 < dongs> because once its closed you can't reopen and get it refunded properly
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2015-09-16T03:44:35 < dongs> wot
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2015-09-16T03:54:38 < dongs> all i can say is it hasnt affected anythign
2015-09-16T03:55:20 < dongs> like 1.5VAC
2015-09-16T03:55:36 < dongs> but im not even sure where i should be measuiring
2015-09-16T03:55:42 < dongs> i just poked into random pins
2015-09-16T03:57:39 < dongs> wall ac gnd? fuck off
2015-09-16T03:57:43 < dongs> not touchin that shit
2015-09-16T04:00:31 < dongs> yeah i did that, that was ~1.5V
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2015-09-16T04:03:13 < dongs> does it evne matter
2015-09-16T04:03:22 < dongs> its probly some coil coupling into the input transformer
2015-09-16T04:03:27 < dongs> and the currente is nanoamps
2015-09-16T04:03:55 < dongs> or pico~
2015-09-16T04:05:21 < aandrew> ok back to basics question on stm32
2015-09-16T04:05:32 < aandrew> with the nvic is it a bad thing to have several interrupts with the same priority?
2015-09-16T04:05:57 < dongs> zyp will know, but they';ll just get handled in order or somethin
2015-09-16T04:06:27 < aandrew> that's kind of what I thought... I have three UARTs, 1,2,6. all are intialized with the same prio
2015-09-16T04:06:58 < aandrew> uart2 is my console port. if I use uart1 things work. if I use uart6 things don't and I can't figure out why
2015-09-16T04:07:15 < dongs> probly not due to pris.
2015-09-16T04:07:53 < aandrew> probably not I agree
2015-09-16T04:07:58 < aandrew> just trying to figure out what the fuck
2015-09-16T04:08:01 < aandrew> this is ridiculous
2015-09-16T04:08:23 < dongs> whats the issue?
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2015-09-16T04:10:02 < aandrew> I have printf() redirecting to uart2 by writing an __io_putchar() and fputc() that uses it. It just writes to the uart. nothing fancy.
2015-09-16T04:10:19 < aandrew> if I use uart1, my console shit works
2015-09-16T04:10:28 < aandrew> if I use uart6, my console shit doesn't work (nothing output)
2015-09-16T04:10:32 < aandrew> console always on uart2
2015-09-16T04:10:47 < aandrew> all I'm doing in the code is swapping the uart I initialize for the target device (uart1 or uart6)
2015-09-16T04:11:14 < dongs> and you configued AF properly and shit
2015-09-16T04:11:23 < dongs> isnt uart1 a usart and uart6 is uart?
2015-09-16T04:12:39 < dongs> init looks same anyway.
2015-09-16T04:13:28 < dongs> i have code that uses them all (not all enabled at once tho, but soemtimes yes) in dma +irq configurations
2015-09-16T04:13:33 < dongs> and they're all on priority#2
2015-09-16T04:13:39 < dongs> so its def not priority issue
2015-09-16T04:16:39 < dongs> check that you
2015-09-16T04:16:43 < dongs> 1) enabled usart6 power
2015-09-16T04:16:45 < dongs> 2) set proper af
2015-09-16T04:16:52 < dongs> 3) enabled interrupts
2015-09-16T04:16:53 < dongs> etc.
2015-09-16T04:16:53 < aandrew> right
2015-09-16T04:17:04 < aandrew> I have to screw with this a bit, it's going to be something idiotic, I can feel it
2015-09-16T04:17:21 < aandrew> yep power's set up, clock is set up, GPIO is set up
2015-09-16T04:20:28 < dongs> maue sure you didnt do something dumb like passing APB2_USART6 to RCC_APB1_Power() or watever thing.
2015-09-16T04:27:05 < aandrew> indeed
2015-09-16T04:27:11 < aandrew> there's a lot of bits that have to be twiddled right
2015-09-16T04:27:23 < aandrew> pretty sure I got it though
2015-09-16T04:27:36 < hjf> how do i pick an STM32 device? i mean, I'm using the netduino thing as a base for my project but almost all pins are unused
2015-09-16T04:27:54 < hjf> so i need like an STM32F405 but with way less I/O
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2015-09-16T04:29:00 < dongs> smallest 405 is 64pin
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2015-09-16T04:29:14 < dongs> also if youre using netdingo youre pretty much strictly limited to the hw they support
2015-09-16T04:29:26 < dongs> so if they dont have a board support file for wahtever size/package, then youre fucked anyway.
2015-09-16T04:29:35 < hjf> why
2015-09-16T04:29:40 < dongs> are  you gonna write one?
2015-09-16T04:29:42 < hjf> i mean the bootloader is open source
2015-09-16T04:29:58 < hjf> bootloader or whatever the platform is called
2015-09-16T04:30:46 < hjf> remember that problem i was having with the stm32 that only wanted to work at certain voltages?
2015-09-16T04:30:55 < hjf> i figured it's temperature related
2015-09-16T04:30:55 < dongs> right
2015-09-16T04:31:05 < dongs> surely not, its a sideffect of somethign else
2015-09-16T04:31:16 < hjf> well i mean
2015-09-16T04:31:33 < hjf> i left some blinker code running (on top of netduino) and the stm32 gets warm
2015-09-16T04:31:42 < hjf> warm enough to feel warm at touch
2015-09-16T04:32:05 < hjf> if i unplug it and plug it back in, it won't boot until a few minutes have passed
2015-09-16T04:32:32 < dongs> < hjf> warm enough to feel warm at touch
2015-09-16T04:32:34 < dongs> you broke it
2015-09-16T04:32:40 < hjf> i mean, it wont boot by itself. i have to leave it unplugged until it cools down
2015-09-16T04:32:43 < dongs> that means you killed some pins w/ESD or so
2015-09-16T04:32:49 < dongs> next will be cratering
2015-09-16T04:33:23 < hjf> could be, i asked the owner of this board to bring me some STM32s and he put them in a... plastic bag
2015-09-16T04:33:26 < hjf> inside his wallet
2015-09-16T04:33:42 < hjf> why the fuck did he even take them off the tape n reel is beyond me
2015-09-16T04:34:34 < hjf> but anyway, i swapped the IC for one of these and i have the exact same problem anyway
2015-09-16T04:34:56 < hjf> so i doubt *that* problem is ESD related. i mean what are the fucking chances?
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2015-09-16T04:38:34 < hjf> dongs: does the stm32f405 always run cool?
2015-09-16T04:38:42 < hjf> i mean the thing is running at 168MHz
2015-09-16T04:38:48 < hjf> i expect it to warm up no?
2015-09-16T04:40:23 < hjf> well because 20 years ago we needed a heatsink and a fan on a pentium processor
2015-09-16T04:40:34 < hjf> technology improves of course
2015-09-16T04:40:46 < hjf> but i mean physics is always there
2015-09-16T04:41:14 < hjf> it's just barely warm. you need to touch it with your lips to feel it
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2015-09-16T06:00:09 < aandrew> hm interesting
2015-09-16T06:00:40 < aandrew> screwing with __HAL_RCC_GPIOC_CLK_ENABLE() is causing weirdness with UART2 which is already enabled
2015-09-16T06:00:57 < aandrew> UART2's pins are on GPIOA too, so there shouldn't be any conflict yet there is
2015-09-16T06:01:32 < emeb_mac> bizarre
2015-09-16T06:01:44 < emeb_mac> I've just started messing with HAL stuff
2015-09-16T06:01:57 < emeb_mac> it's nice that so many of those RCC things are CPP macros
2015-09-16T06:02:31 < emeb_mac> but it's probably worth looking into the .h files to see if there are bugs in the implementation
2015-09-16T06:02:39 < aandrew> I don't doubt there are
2015-09-16T06:02:49 < aandrew> I still don't have it working 100% but this is a definite clue
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2015-09-16T06:35:47 < englishman> dongs teensy 3.2 is out how many are you ordering
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2015-09-16T06:51:57 < upgrdman> its a small breakout board for an mcu
2015-09-16T06:52:05 < upgrdman> like a fagduino micro
2015-09-16T06:52:25 < upgrdman> and i think they offer some lib, or work with fagduino lib or someshit
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2015-09-16T07:00:41 < upgrdman> old
2015-09-16T07:01:40 < upgrdman> R2COM, you ever use a gate driver for high-side nmos?
2015-09-16T07:02:49 < hjf> so i found someone who has a similar problem to mine: sometimes it will boot, sometimes it won't, on a custom board
2015-09-16T07:02:58 < hjf> but he's using chibiOS
2015-09-16T07:03:16 < hjf> the thing that fixed it for him was removing -Os
2015-09-16T07:03:36 < hjf> it made the program much larger but it worked every time
2015-09-16T07:04:12 < upgrdman> R2COM, so you know how they use a cap and diode to pump, right?
2015-09-16T07:04:53 < upgrdman> R2COM, problem i might have is the source of the high side fet could go below 0V. and i don't want to pump too high, since >20V will fuck my fet.
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2015-09-16T07:05:16 < upgrdman> would a zener across the pump cap work to limit the pumped voltage? or would it prevent pumping all together?
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2015-09-16T07:08:59 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-16T07:09:09 < upgrdman> want to replace my SEPIC diode with an n mosfet
2015-09-16T07:09:36 < upgrdman> and one side of the diode goes negative for a period of time
2015-09-16T07:09:57 < upgrdman> while the other side of the diode stays at Vout
2015-09-16T07:11:37 < upgrdman> thats how SEPICs work
2015-09-16T07:11:55 < upgrdman> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/SEPIC_Schematic.gif/500px-SEPIC_Schematic.gif
2015-09-16T07:12:20 < upgrdman> when S1 closes, the diode anode goes negative
2015-09-16T07:12:55 < upgrdman> and in my circuit, it can go to almost -20V
2015-09-16T07:13:21 < upgrdman> so if the charge cap of my gate drives see's that, the gate drive voltage could end up way too high and pop my poor little gate
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2015-09-16T07:16:51 < upgrdman> sweet
2015-09-16T07:17:16 < timemob> sup dongs
2015-09-16T07:21:53 < upgrdman> ya so the boosted voltages goes higher if the sources goes negative, right?
2015-09-16T07:21:59 < upgrdman> which is what i expected
2015-09-16T07:23:15 < upgrdman> that's fine
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2015-09-16T07:24:16 < upgrdman> where does your gate drive get the driving voltage?
2015-09-16T07:24:21 < upgrdman> no cap from source to driver?
2015-09-16T07:25:08 < upgrdman> yes for high side nmos
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2015-09-16T07:29:25 < upgrdman> but for high side gate, it needs to be above the high side source voltage
2015-09-16T07:29:34 < timemob> stimulating dongs
2015-09-16T07:29:39 < upgrdman> ?
2015-09-16T07:30:05 < timemob> I'm just bored ignore me
2015-09-16T07:30:30 < upgrdman> i'll just be super pro and wire up my circuit and see what burns. will set CC limit to a low enough current to keep things from failing too hard
2015-09-16T07:30:33 < timemob> eating my kawaii pinku Bento box
2015-09-16T07:30:44 < upgrdman> i wonder what the speed of my shit zeners are
2015-09-16T07:30:56 < upgrdman> im hoping to pwm the gates at 100+kHz
2015-09-16T07:31:12 < upgrdman> what's a bento box?
2015-09-16T07:31:40 < timemob> http://cisforwong.blogspot.jp/2007/02/bento-box-copypasta.html?m=1
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2015-09-16T07:34:25 < upgrdman> because i dont even have part numbers for them
2015-09-16T07:34:54 < upgrdman> they were from a huge pile of shit my employer was going to throw away, and after i asked nicely they just gave to me
2015-09-16T07:35:17 < upgrdman> hence when i have like 500+ to220 mosfets, etc.
2015-09-16T07:35:30 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-16T07:36:04 < upgrdman> i ended up throwing away most of the shit though
2015-09-16T07:36:14 < upgrdman> not fets, but like carbon comp resistors
2015-09-16T07:36:19 < upgrdman> from the 70s or 80s
2015-09-16T07:36:30 < upgrdman> and old old old ass caps
2015-09-16T07:36:44 < upgrdman> because i dont need 20% 1/4 watt resistors?
2015-09-16T07:37:24 < upgrdman> sweet
2015-09-16T07:37:47 < upgrdman> i have like 300 "flame proof resistors"
2015-09-16T07:37:50 < upgrdman> NTE sells them
2015-09-16T07:38:06 < upgrdman> and my local frys carries them
2015-09-16T07:39:04 < timemob> blogging outside
2015-09-16T07:43:57 < talsit> anyone used any of the agilent smu's over SCPI?
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2015-09-16T07:53:15 < AndChat|82929> gay nick
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2015-09-16T08:24:40 < upgrdman> oh japan  http://gfycat.com/RigidAltruisticBlacklab
2015-09-16T08:26:00 < emeb_mac> ok, that's just wrong
2015-09-16T08:26:10 < upgrdman> *nods*
2015-09-16T08:26:42  * talsit sees nothing wrong with that
2015-09-16T08:30:45 < GargantuaSauce> i can fap to this
2015-09-16T08:30:50 < upgrdman> :/
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2015-09-16T08:54:39 < dongs> dongs
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2015-09-16T08:57:02 < emeb_mac> nazo!
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2015-09-16T09:25:09 < dongs> fucking innovators
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2015-09-16T09:26:01 < emeb_mac> is it innovation or terrah? call the cops!
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2015-09-16T09:56:01 < GargantuaSauce> innovation is terror
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2015-09-16T10:08:25 < TheSeven> karlp: the weird interface of GPIO has performance reasons. the way it's built it should avoid any indirect (vtable) calls as long as there's only one GPIO controller present
2015-09-16T10:08:46 < TheSeven> if there's just one GPIO controller, a GPIO::Pin object is just a uint8 pin number
2015-09-16T10:09:04 < TheSeven> if there's multiple, it's a controller number / pin number pair, 8 bits each
2015-09-16T10:09:33 < TheSeven> actually instantiating an object for all of those pins would be a problem...
2015-09-16T10:10:26 < TheSeven> this discussion is making me think about another way how it could possibly be done though... let me know if you have any clever ideas how to trick the compiler into doing what I need ;)
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2015-09-16T10:19:34 < ReadError> dongs
2015-09-16T10:19:35 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/CyOadXb.jpg
2015-09-16T10:19:41 < ReadError> can you explain what im looking at
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2015-09-16T10:32:42 < GargantuaSauce> a tasty ham sandwich?
2015-09-16T10:36:22 < ReadError> o
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2015-09-16T11:16:35 < dongs> TheSeven: your /firmware/ github is pretty awful
2015-09-16T11:16:40 < dongs> shit coding style and shit C++
2015-09-16T11:19:58 < jpa-> lul wut
2015-09-16T11:20:15 < dongs> < [7]> oh, and even more ds18b20 code: https://github.com/TheSeven/firmware/blob/master/src/device/ds1820/ds1820.cpp
2015-09-16T11:21:11 < scrts_w> return (((data << 20) >> 20) * 1000) >> 4; <<--- what's the trick there to shift data left and then right again?
2015-09-16T11:21:30 < dongs> scrts_w: making sure the upper bits are cleared
2015-09-16T11:21:41 < dongs> top uh.. 12 bits?
2015-09-16T11:21:51 < dongs> not sure why not just & 0xwahtever
2015-09-16T11:22:29 < dongs> 0xFFFFF
2015-09-16T11:22:38 < dongs> maybe its slower
2015-09-16T11:22:42 < dongs> and coder is zano-class asm programemr
2015-09-16T11:23:18 < scrts_w> or just mask the required bits?
2015-09-16T11:23:46 < dongs> well, thats hwat & 0xfffff would achieve?
2015-09-16T11:24:13 < dongs> like i said i duno if <<20>>20 is faster than & 1<<20-1 or not
2015-09-16T11:24:30 < jpa-> not like it will matter with 1wire
2015-09-16T11:24:45 < dongs> oh its from that shithub
2015-09-16T11:25:02 < dongs> in that case he probably copied it from some tarduino lib
2015-09-16T11:25:07 < dongs> where shift would definitely be faster.
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2015-09-16T11:34:11 < dongs> got GD32 CBT6
2015-09-16T11:36:31 < Ecco> Are many extra components required to get firmware-upload-over-USB working on STM32F4?
2015-09-16T11:36:36 < Simon--> not on avr, no barrel shifter
2015-09-16T11:36:56 < dongs> Ecco: just 1.5K pullup ?
2015-09-16T11:36:59 < dongs> and gpio
2015-09-16T11:37:07 < dongs> i forget if that shit is internal or not
2015-09-16T11:37:10 < dongs> if internal then dont need anything
2015-09-16T11:37:36 < Ecco> internal as in "in the internal bootloader"?
2015-09-16T11:37:47 < dongs> no, as in internal 1.5k pullup
2015-09-16T11:37:52 < Ecco> oh, ok :)
2015-09-16T11:37:53 < dongs> i guess since it has USB bootlaoder its internal
2015-09-16T11:38:17 < Ecco> But do I need any passive to connect the proper GPIOs to the USB bus?
2015-09-16T11:38:28 < Ecco> or is it just a straight wire from USB to the chip?
2015-09-16T11:38:57 < dongs> you can add 22R in series to DP/DM
2015-09-16T11:39:06 < dongs> but its not going to not work with or without them
2015-09-16T11:39:11 < GargantuaSauce> doesnt the f4 not require that?
2015-09-16T11:39:21 < GargantuaSauce> check the documentation
2015-09-16T11:39:27 < Ecco> ok. 22R = 2.2K ohm resistor?
2015-09-16T11:39:29 < dongs> yeah, thats wat im saying, it'll work either way probly
2015-09-16T11:39:32 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-16T11:39:33 < dongs> no, its 22R resistor
2015-09-16T11:39:49 < Ecco> oh ok, I'm not used to SMD markings
2015-09-16T11:39:55 < dongs> it isnt
2015-09-16T11:39:59 < dongs> 22R = 22 ohm
2015-09-16T11:40:07 < Ecco> oh
2015-09-16T11:40:08 < Ecco> ok :-D
2015-09-16T11:40:19 < Ecco> THat seems awfully low
2015-09-16T11:40:39 < Ecco> What does it do?
2015-09-16T11:41:40 < GargantuaSauce> matches the characteristic impedance of the usb bus
2015-09-16T11:42:05 < Ecco> oh, ok
2015-09-16T11:42:13 < Ecco> I had no idea you had to do impedance matching
2015-09-16T11:42:25 < dongs> you dontreally for FS
2015-09-16T11:42:45 < GargantuaSauce> yeah and again i think the f4 might have it internally but not sure
2015-09-16T11:43:02 < GargantuaSauce> so consult the holy scriptures to conduct the rites correctly
2015-09-16T11:43:05 < dongs> their evalboards that have chips that NEED it still dont mount them
2015-09-16T11:43:28 < Ecco> GargantuaSauce: haha :-)
2015-09-16T11:43:37 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-16T11:43:42 < Ecco> I had no idea it was so simple
2015-09-16T11:44:07 < Ecco> And, correct me if I'm wrong, but USB is 5V logic
2015-09-16T11:44:25 < Ecco> Whereas my chip is powered straight from a CR2032, so somewhere between 2 and 3V
2015-09-16T11:44:35 < Ecco> Wouldn't that be problematic?
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2015-09-16T11:45:04 < dongs> wrong
2015-09-16T11:45:35 < Ecco> why not?
2015-09-16T11:46:11 < Ecco> oh wrong USB is not 5V?
2015-09-16T11:46:38 < Ecco> Well that's what wikipedia seems to say
2015-09-16T11:46:54 < GargantuaSauce> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Signaling
2015-09-16T11:47:24 < Ecco> Oh indeed
2015-09-16T11:47:44 < Ecco> In the summary of that same page, on the top
2015-09-16T11:47:58 < Ecco> it does say "Electrical : Signal  : 5V DC"
2015-09-16T11:47:59 < dongs> kikepedia is never wrong
2015-09-16T11:48:32 < GargantuaSauce> i'd tell you to go read the usb specs buuut i am not sure i would wish that on another living being
2015-09-16T11:48:43 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-16T11:49:31 < GargantuaSauce> think i have a decent tutorial somewhere but not at hand so get googling
2015-09-16T11:50:14 < Ecco> will do
2015-09-16T11:50:28 < PaulFertser> http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb1.shtml ?
2015-09-16T11:55:40 < PaulFertser> What do you guys think of https://ncrmnt.org/wp/2015/09/02/stencils/ ?
2015-09-16T12:04:46 < zyp> no, usb is 3.3V signalling
2015-09-16T12:05:05 < zyp> well, LS/FS is
2015-09-16T12:05:15 < zyp> HS is even lower, some current loop mode
2015-09-16T12:06:05 < dongs> OK
2015-09-16T12:06:08 < dongs> GD32 i2C is definitely fixed
2015-09-16T12:06:21 < dongs> from stm32
2015-09-16T12:07:54 < qyx_> how much is this gd32 cbt6?
2015-09-16T12:08:00 < dongs> less than f103
2015-09-16T12:08:03 < dongs> gonna try software i2c first
2015-09-16T12:08:05 < dongs> since i know that works
2015-09-16T12:08:07 < dongs> to see if other shit is ok
2015-09-16T12:08:36 < Lux> dongs: so something between 1$ and 2$ ?
2015-09-16T12:09:46 < dongs> heh yeah software i2c works
2015-09-16T12:10:20 < dongs> so i just fix that and i can use GD32 as substitutte
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2015-09-16T12:18:19 < GargantuaSauce> huh I had assumed those vinyl cutters were too imprecise for solder stencilling
2015-09-16T12:18:23 < GargantuaSauce> might have to try that out
2015-09-16T12:19:22 < Sync> dongs: I wonder why stm doesn't release fixed silicon
2015-09-16T12:19:29 < dongs> donno
2015-09-16T12:19:38 < dongs> because it would break years of other shit?
2015-09-16T12:19:48 < Sync> yeah but pfft
2015-09-16T12:19:53 < Sync> like they would care
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2015-09-16T12:27:39 < dongs> ok keil crashing everytime i hit download is getting kinda old
2015-09-16T12:27:42 < dongs> fucking buggy trash
2015-09-16T12:28:02 < GargantuaSauce> time to switch to eclipse
2015-09-16T12:28:18 < dongs> still 516a
2015-09-16T12:28:20 < dongs> what the fuck
2015-09-16T12:28:24 < dongs> its probly old jlink driver or soemthign
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2015-09-16T12:30:00 < dongs> lolz... google "jlink download" links to old version
2015-09-16T12:30:04 < dongs> that still works with clones
2015-09-16T12:30:15 < dongs> but you dont notice its old unless you have some other versions in same dir
2015-09-16T12:30:24 < dongs> almost leeched soem 2 years old trash
2015-09-16T12:31:42 < Roklobsta> closed sores crap.
2015-09-16T12:32:35 < Roklobsta> made by the lowest bidding software developers somewhere not in the USA or Europe.
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2015-09-16T12:45:44 < PaulFertser> BTW, J
2015-09-16T12:46:05 < PaulFertser> -Link seems to be of reasonable quality, and done in Germany afaict.
2015-09-16T12:47:16 < PaulFertser> GargantuaSauce: I can ask him about any details but seems like he's already disclosed everything relevant.
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2015-09-16T12:49:31 < Ecco> I just googled them up
2015-09-16T12:49:44 < Ecco> holly shit, they're like €500+
2015-09-16T12:50:03 < Ecco> I quite don't see how this beats a $3 st-link
2015-09-16T12:50:21 < PaulFertser> "You can get one for about 150$ on ebay"
2015-09-16T12:50:24 < Ecco> (I'm pretty sure it does, but in practice I wonder what it does better)
2015-09-16T12:50:36 < Roklobsta> PaulFertser: East Germany.
2015-09-16T12:50:39 < Ecco> Well, that's would still be 50x more expensive :-D
2015-09-16T12:51:17 < Ecco> (well ok, the stlink is not $3, but you're very likely to have one lying around since ST seems to be putting one on pretty much all their dev boards
2015-09-16T12:51:18 < PaulFertser> Ecco: ah, talking about j-link, well, they have more features. Support for arbitarary JTAG operations, automatic software breakpoints for flash regions.
2015-09-16T12:51:35 < Laurenceb_> I'm betting SWO is faster?
2015-09-16T12:51:44 < Ecco> how would that translate over once in GDB?
2015-09-16T12:51:59 < Ecco> So far I'm using openocd+stlink and I don't feel like I've hit any restriction
2015-09-16T12:52:11 < Laurenceb_> in b4 dongs
2015-09-16T12:52:13 < PaulFertser> Yes, a bit, IIRC it's ~7.5MHz max with J-Link and 2MHz max with st-link. But you can get 12MHz with FT232H :)
2015-09-16T12:52:57 < PaulFertser> Ecco: you can't place too many breakpoints on flash.
2015-09-16T12:53:15 < Ecco> hmm
2015-09-16T12:53:21 < PaulFertser> Ecco: also, you do not need to work with MIPS or Cortex-A etc. Then stlink wouldn't be adequate.
2015-09-16T12:53:30 < Ecco> Ok, makes sense
2015-09-16T12:53:38 < Ecco> Regarding the number of breakpoints
2015-09-16T12:53:55 < Ecco> I've been developing software for a while now, and I find that having too many breakpoints is actually a pain
2015-09-16T12:53:58 < PaulFertser> Also, with jlink you can mass-erase kinetis, with stlink -- no.
2015-09-16T12:54:04 < Ecco> and a symtom of poorly placed breakpoints
2015-09-16T12:54:28 < PaulFertser> I'm sure dongs can tell you more about why jlink is great.
2015-09-16T12:54:36 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-16T12:55:58 < dongs> jlink goes up to 50mhz
2015-09-16T12:56:00 < dongs> swd
2015-09-16T12:56:07 < dongs> lol @ ft232h garbage
2015-09-16T12:56:09 < dongs> fuck right off.
2015-09-16T12:56:56 < PaulFertser> dongs: SWD, and I'm talking about SWO capture.
2015-09-16T12:57:13 < PaulFertser> dongs: ft232h garbage goes up to 30MHz.
2015-09-16T12:57:29 < dongs> PaulFertser: is that with FREE AS IN BEER driver
2015-09-16T12:57:32 < PaulFertser> Show me someone who uses higher than that.
2015-09-16T12:57:38 < dongs> or with FILTHY COMMERCIAL SHIT THAT REQUIRES YOU TO RECOMPILE OPENOCD
2015-09-16T12:58:29 < PaulFertser> dongs: 30MHz is obtainable with either, that's how the HW works.
2015-09-16T12:58:48 < dongs> PaulFertser: somehow i dont think so
2015-09-16T12:59:09 < PaulFertser> dongs: I've seen 30MHz on a scope myself.
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2015-09-16T12:59:43 < PaulFertser> Why wouldn't it work? It's just a configuration register, you set whatever prescaler, bah, ftdi chip talks on the choosen frequency.
2015-09-16T13:00:11 < dongs> ftdi has manchester decoding for SWO?
2015-09-16T13:00:30 < PaulFertser> No.
2015-09-16T13:00:35 < PaulFertser> UART only.
2015-09-16T13:00:46 < PaulFertser> Did you ever really need manchester?
2015-09-16T13:03:11 < PaulFertser> You pay 30$ for TUMPA and get almost the same speed as j-link. With faster (TUMPA does 12MHz, j-link 7.5MHz) SWO capture.
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2015-09-16T13:03:43 < PaulFertser> Does anyone here debug targets using more than 30MHz on JTAG/SWD lines?
2015-09-16T13:04:09 < jpa-> i would think the usb latency matters more at those speeds
2015-09-16T13:04:39 < PaulFertser> Yes, it does.
2015-09-16T13:04:44 < jpa-> 72MHz SWO capture would be nice, on the other hand
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2015-09-16T14:45:26 < dongs> heh
2015-09-16T14:45:35 < dongs> dude here designed a board wiht aoz1284
2015-09-16T14:45:40 < dongs> didn't notice EN pin is max 5V in
2015-09-16T14:45:58 < dongs> gonna have to ghetto a divider made out of dip resistors
2015-09-16T14:45:59 < dongs> :|
2015-09-16T14:49:22 < Sync> rekt
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2015-09-16T16:04:21 < dongs> sup zano bakers
2015-09-16T16:05:26 < dongs> https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1442332665/vqqntf9ophrq1rke90hy.png ritot update
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2015-09-16T16:22:00 < scrts_w> what is ritot?
2015-09-16T16:22:59 < scrts_w> oh... that watch :)
2015-09-16T16:25:07 < dongs> yes
2015-09-16T16:25:19 < dongs> next step if to miniaturize this into a wristband
2015-09-16T16:27:11 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/faYxjZs.jpg got 1k of these for $4
2015-09-16T16:27:18 < dongs> gonna fucking stick the shit  everywhere
2015-09-16T16:27:23 < chris_99> haha
2015-09-16T16:28:08 < scrts_w> will end up in https://amuletproject.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/amulet-2015-03-06-3-transparent.png
2015-09-16T16:29:48 < dongs> scrts_w: dont think they can fit it into that
2015-09-16T16:31:13 < scrts_w> they should go for a custom chip
2015-09-16T16:31:24 < scrts_w> like apple did with that chip from MAXIM...
2015-09-16T16:31:27 < Laurenceb> https://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/21264466361_96d1f65ae6_b1.jpg
2015-09-16T16:31:33 < scrts_w> I am pretty sure apple paid for it
2015-09-16T16:31:52 < dongs> hmm
2015-09-16T16:31:57 < dongs> im gonna stick one of them on my phone
2015-09-16T16:33:04 < dongs> srs question: do you think these use anti-static adhesive
2015-09-16T16:33:46 < qyx_> for sure
2015-09-16T16:33:53 < qyx_> china quality adhesive
2015-09-16T16:37:12 < dongs> psh
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2015-09-16T16:46:36 < dongs> https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11224254_10153124296191242_1118659593367462535_n.jpg?oh=9239f6a71825e19493daa36022c67eec&oe=56A4C8E0
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2015-09-16T16:57:06 < kakimir> how is dongland
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2015-09-16T17:08:43 < mtbg> http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/16/14-year-old-boy-arrested-for-bringing-homemade-clock-to-school/
2015-09-16T17:09:26 < dongs> comeon
2015-09-16T17:09:30 < dongs> do i have to fucking watch that fucking video
2015-09-16T17:09:33 < dongs> to se his "clock"
2015-09-16T17:11:48 < dongs> didnt even show it in video
2015-09-16T17:11:54 < dongs> i want 3 minutes of my life back
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2015-09-16T17:15:17 < BuildSmart> anyone here from the Tampa/Florida area?
2015-09-16T17:20:26 < ReadError> jeeze guy, no foreplay?
2015-09-16T17:20:32 < ReadError> just show up randomly asking for people
2015-09-16T17:21:16 < dongs> i think ClonerError is within driving distance
2015-09-16T17:21:34 < ReadError> nah tampa is a decent drive
2015-09-16T17:21:41 < ReadError> ~9hr atleast
2015-09-16T17:21:55 < dongs> damn, fuck usa
2015-09-16T17:21:56 < dongs> too big
2015-09-16T17:25:41 < Laurenceb> spin sensor
2015-09-16T17:25:42 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/EuxkGVV.jpg
2015-09-16T17:25:49 < Ecco> BuildSmart: what for?
2015-09-16T17:26:09 < Laurenceb>  1 slight issue: the nuts fly off - thats why theres tape
2015-09-16T17:29:45 < mtbg> so maybe metal sheet cans over the nuts for next version?
2015-09-16T17:30:12 < Laurenceb> yeah - just SLS nylon from the central shaft adaptor
2015-09-16T17:30:24 < Laurenceb> the LEDs light once it passes 10krpm
2015-09-16T17:31:48 < mtbg> you could also use some lead or bismuth fishing weights and cut/mold them is more convenient shape
2015-09-16T17:32:15 < dongs> uhhhhh
2015-09-16T17:32:27 < dongs> i clicked add new devices
2015-09-16T17:32:30 < dongs> in windows
2015-09-16T17:32:38 < dongs> and it wants to add a new cellphone
2015-09-16T17:32:39 < dongs> 'razor'
2015-09-16T17:32:43 < dongs> wut
2015-09-16T17:32:49 < dongs> i have no such thing anywhere here
2015-09-16T17:44:27 < yan_> ugh talk about scope creep.. i didn't like having a single large header file containing all the pin/gpio definitions so i spent three days writing a custom language description for the hardware and a parser for it to generate the pin file automatically and cross-reference all the buses to pins to peripherals to timers
2015-09-16T17:44:29 < Laurenceb> bluetooth trolling
2015-09-16T17:44:44 < Laurenceb> yan_: lulwut
2015-09-16T17:44:54 < Laurenceb> just use chibios or something
2015-09-16T17:45:13 < Laurenceb> or that weird st tool
2015-09-16T17:45:45 < yan_> i'm already using freertos+libopencm3.. i also wanted to be target and lib independent
2015-09-16T17:45:52 < yan_> i acknowledge it was super-scope-creep
2015-09-16T17:46:05 < dongs> have you written any actual working code yet
2015-09-16T17:46:09 < yan_> yes
2015-09-16T17:46:15 < dongs> or are you just masturbating over clean code
2015-09-16T17:46:19 < dongs> what's next, unit tests?
2015-09-16T17:46:19 < yan_> i was porting old code to new hardware i just finished assembling
2015-09-16T17:46:45 < yan_> firmware's 50% done, hardware is on second prototype, and i also spent a few days reworking the build system to make crosscompiling easier (for testing)
2015-09-16T17:46:52 < yan_> i don't usually take detours until i have shit sort of working
2015-09-16T17:48:13 < yan_> it's a pretty simple format: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ea311084851b4dc241c9
2015-09-16T17:49:33 < dongs> great inconsistent indentation, I bet you parse that wiht python
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2015-09-16T17:50:01 < yan_> dongs: heh what's inconsistent?
2015-09-16T17:50:22 < dongs> um like fucking everything? i saw like3 things before i closed it
2015-09-16T17:51:06 < yan_> man what crawled up your ass this morning
2015-09-16T17:51:15 < yan_> anyway have fun :)
2015-09-16T17:51:35 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-09-16T17:51:54 < mtbg> what is the result of parsing this file?
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2015-09-16T17:52:20 < yan_> mtbg: a single huge header file that defines all pins, gpios, spi/i2c/etc peripherals, that and some sanity checking to make sure none of the pins are overloaded
2015-09-16T17:52:22 < dongs> mtbg, i'm guessing some retarded boilerplate code
2015-09-16T17:52:26 < yan_> dongs: <3
2015-09-16T17:52:46 < dongs> your "target independent" already fails
2015-09-16T17:52:51 < dongs> as F1 doesn't have AF numbers
2015-09-16T17:52:59 < dongs> better fix up your python some more
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2015-09-16T18:00:05 < icee> yan_: that's just dongs
2015-09-16T18:01:30 < dongs> don't blame your love of lunix on me
2015-09-16T18:03:12 < icee> it's leenucks damn it.
2015-09-16T18:03:55 < dongs> shit i gotta wake up i n6 hours
2015-09-16T18:03:56 < dongs> bai
2015-09-16T18:04:03 < icee> cya
2015-09-16T18:10:08 < Laurenceb> attn dongs http://orig03.deviantart.net/0735/f/2012/160/d/3/celebrate_diversity_by_themistrunsred-d52vwxp.jpg
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2015-09-16T19:23:39 < neuro_sys> hello
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2015-09-16T20:26:42 < kakimir> schoolday in dongville https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKOFvT_Lng0
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2015-09-16T20:27:49 < Laurenceb> think im gunna troll /pol/
2015-09-16T20:28:15 < kakimir> how about doing stm32 instead?
2015-09-16T20:28:33 < Laurenceb> nah trolling is so much moar fun
2015-09-16T20:28:38 < Laurenceb> http://orig03.deviantart.net/0735/f/2012/160/d/3/celebrate_diversity_by_themistrunsred-d52vwxp.jpg
2015-09-16T20:28:54 < ReadError> thats a retweet
2015-09-16T20:29:09 < Laurenceb> reposted for epic troll value
2015-09-16T20:29:28 < ReadError> <dongs> https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11224254_10153124296191242_1118659593367462535_n.jpg?oh=9239f6a71825e19493daa36022c67eec&oe=56A4C8E0
2015-09-16T20:30:12 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-09-16T20:30:20 < Laurenceb> looking for pyro supplies
2015-09-16T20:30:34 < Laurenceb> got advert for "compare the coffin .com"
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2015-09-16T20:36:44 < kakimir> guys how projects?
2015-09-16T20:39:55 < Steffanx> wip
2015-09-16T20:40:50 < Laurenceb> Please put me down as corresponding author please. <> needs to understand the 3 yrs of my life I have put into this project and obtained <> funding
2015-09-16T20:41:01 < Laurenceb> hot from my inbox
2015-09-16T20:41:31 < Steffanx> but you're an asshole, so you'll not do it?
2015-09-16T20:41:53 < kakimir> actually spent 3 weeks in project?
2015-09-16T20:41:55 < kakimir> total
2015-09-16T20:42:21 < Laurenceb> spent 3 weeks raging via email
2015-09-16T20:42:25 < Laurenceb> moar liek
2015-09-16T20:42:43 < Laurenceb> I'll leave the email storm to brew
2015-09-16T20:42:44 < Steffanx> lurn to typ
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2015-09-16T20:56:05 < kakimir> someone spending time raging to raise their sosioeconomic status
2015-09-16T20:56:17 < kakimir> how original
2015-09-16T20:57:02 < kakimir> or raise <>
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2015-09-16T21:27:15 < BuildSmart> Ecco:  Looking for someone to join in on a project
2015-09-16T21:27:59 < BuildSmart> Ecco: some local to Tampa/Florida or Riverside/CA prefered
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2015-09-16T21:41:15 < Ecco> oh, ok
2015-09-16T21:42:53 < Ecco> Just my 2 cents, but the intersection "lies around on IRC" x "might be interested in my project" x "Lives in some place-that-s-not-that-popular-among-geeks" is very likely to be empty
2015-09-16T21:43:10 < Ecco> You could improve your chances by explaining what you're doing though
2015-09-16T21:43:29 < Ecco> Maybe if someone feels like this is interesting they could recommend a friend for example
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2015-09-16T22:01:56 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZ3NhbVhVRzYyMFk/view?usp=sharing projects
2015-09-16T22:02:55 < kakimir> there is 12smas
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2015-09-16T22:06:00 < kakimir> drv8412 toyboard to play around with
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2015-09-16T22:07:39 < ReadError> BuildSmart sounds like a creeper
2015-09-16T22:07:45 < ReadError> joins a chan for the first time asking for a local
2015-09-16T22:08:03 < kakimir> ASM ReadError ?
2015-09-16T22:08:17 < ReadError> ASL you mean?
2015-09-16T22:08:32 < kakimir> *sigh*
2015-09-16T22:08:42 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-16T22:08:44 < ReadError> 13/f/cali
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2015-09-16T22:11:50 < Tectu> yooooo o/
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2015-09-16T22:23:47 < ReadError> hi
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2015-09-16T22:29:38 < Ecco> gdb -x my_script.txt
2015-09-16T22:29:40 < Ecco> sorry
2015-09-16T22:29:46 < Ecco> gdb -x my_script.txt my_binary.elf
2015-09-16T22:30:08 < Ecco> Question -> How can I use the "my_binary.elf" value in "my_script.txt" ?
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2015-09-16T22:30:16 < zyp> file my_binary.elf
2015-09-16T22:30:27 < Ecco> not sure you understood my question
2015-09-16T22:30:35 < zyp> oh, opposite way around?
2015-09-16T22:30:36 < zyp> idk
2015-09-16T22:30:50 < Ecco> Given the following command is performed : "gdb -x my_script.txt my_binary.elf"
2015-09-16T22:31:00 < Ecco> how can I use the "my_binary.elf" value in the script?
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2015-09-16T22:31:13 < Ecco> (I'd like to eventually do "load my_binary.elf")
2015-09-16T22:31:51 < zyp> oh, you can just do load without arguments
2015-09-16T22:31:54 < Ecco> oh
2015-09-16T22:31:59 < Ecco> nice :)
2015-09-16T22:32:22 < Ecco> Thanks!
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2015-09-16T23:13:38 < kakimir> is there a way to bias opamp with single positive supply so that
2015-09-16T23:14:48 < kakimir> input voltage ranging from -x to x turns into 0-3v3 range
2015-09-16T23:15:01 < kakimir> without adding additional supply
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2015-09-16T23:15:55 < qyx_> if it is AC, AC-couple it (with a capacitor)
2015-09-16T23:17:10 < kakimir> shunt
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2015-09-16T23:17:59 < GargantuaSauce> cant the standard inverting amp topology do it?
2015-09-16T23:18:00 < qyx_> then simply configure the opamp as differential/instrumetation amplifier
2015-09-16T23:18:49 < qyx_> but watch your common mode voltage
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2015-09-16T23:19:10 < GargantuaSauce> just bias the +in with a virtual ground and set the gain=3/x
2015-09-16T23:19:37 < qyx_> there are also some specialized opamps for shunt resistors which allow common mode voltages as high as 60V
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2015-09-16T23:20:09 < upgrdman_> "specialized op amps" you mean high-side current amp ic?
2015-09-16T23:20:13 < GargantuaSauce> oh yes use one of those
2015-09-16T23:20:13 < qyx_> yes
2015-09-16T23:20:20 < upgrdman_> like ti ina199 or whatever its called
2015-09-16T23:20:27 < qyx_> yep
2015-09-16T23:20:38 < qyx_> also zetex has some
2015-09-16T23:20:41 < upgrdman_> ya i use some from ti. work great. super easy.
2015-09-16T23:21:09 < upgrdman_> and they can drive an adc pin without needing to increase stm's sampling period
2015-09-16T23:22:25 < kakimir> upgrdman_: low side definitelly
2015-09-16T23:23:09 < kakimir> I don't want to rely on special parts
2015-09-16T23:23:26 < upgrdman_> kakimir, so i came to this conversation late. wtf are you trying to do now?
2015-09-16T23:23:28 < GargantuaSauce> they arent really special
2015-09-16T23:23:52 < kakimir> gatedriver lowside shunt
2015-09-16T23:24:19 < kakimir> posibility to range bidirectional current to 0-3v3 output range
2015-09-16T23:25:05 < upgrdman_> bidir low side?
2015-09-16T23:25:15 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-16T23:25:22 < upgrdman_> so your gate will have a negative voltage at it's drain?
2015-09-16T23:25:35 < upgrdman_> *so your FET
2015-09-16T23:25:36 < kakimir> no
2015-09-16T23:26:01 < upgrdman_> schematic?
2015-09-16T23:26:01 < kakimir> sorry I meant half bridge output
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2015-09-16T23:26:34 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZ3NhbVhVRzYyMFk/view?usp=sharing
2015-09-16T23:26:40 < kakimir> unidirectional atm
2015-09-16T23:26:53 < kakimir> figured out I may want to drive motors too
2015-09-16T23:27:08 < upgrdman_> where are your FETs
2015-09-16T23:27:16 < kakimir> in that middle part
2015-09-16T23:27:47 < upgrdman_> oh in the IC?
2015-09-16T23:27:48 < qyx_> thats not low side
2015-09-16T23:28:04 < kakimir> low side shunt
2015-09-16T23:28:13 < kakimir> da?
2015-09-16T23:28:19 < qyx_> aha
2015-09-16T23:28:29 < kakimir> sorry again
2015-09-16T23:29:27 < Fleck> ;p
2015-09-16T23:31:09 < kakimir> why would I use inverting amplifier?
2015-09-16T23:31:25 < kakimir> if inverting is not needed
2015-09-16T23:32:59 < Ecco> Weird… I'm trying to build a float manually
2015-09-16T23:33:16 < Ecco> (i.e; by assembling manually mantissa, exponent and sign)
2015-09-16T23:33:19 < Ecco> works fine on my local PC
2015-09-16T23:33:32 < Ecco> but ends up in a signal handler on Cortex M4 :-/
2015-09-16T23:34:56 < kakimir> if there way to bias input with supply so that it never goes under -V
2015-09-16T23:37:42 < upgrdman_> Ecco, you doing something stupid like div by zero?
2015-09-16T23:38:57 < Ecco> well… I'm not even dividing
2015-09-16T23:39:04 < Ecco> I'm just building the float
2015-09-16T23:39:09 < Ecco> (IEEE754 style)
2015-09-16T23:39:21 < upgrdman_> pastebin code. and which handler do you end up in?
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2015-09-16T23:58:56 < kakimir> fuk it I add possibility for negative supply and deal with output after that
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2015-09-17T00:01:18 < Fleck> http://imgur.com/pThThc4 << any good way to fix this?
2015-09-17T00:02:29 < kakimir> thin copper strings and after that bend those pins little to give it some room?
2015-09-17T00:03:11 < upgrdman_> Fleck, yes. magnet wire
2015-09-17T00:03:23 < kakimir> ?
2015-09-17T00:04:18 < upgrdman_> enameled solid core wire
2015-09-17T00:04:29 < upgrdman_> the kinda shit used to make inductors
2015-09-17T00:04:41 < upgrdman_> and motors
2015-09-17T00:04:44 < upgrdman_> and speakers
2015-09-17T00:04:45 < upgrdman_> etc
2015-09-17T00:04:51 < Fleck> ;p
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2015-09-17T00:07:50 < Fleck> 0.3mm pins
2015-09-17T00:08:11 < upgrdman_> and?
2015-09-17T00:08:20 < upgrdman_> they make magnet wire so thin you can barely see it
2015-09-17T00:08:57 < Fleck> they do? link? :D
2015-09-17T00:09:37 < upgrdman_> you lazy fuck
2015-09-17T00:09:42 < upgrdman_> google "magnet wire" ... done
2015-09-17T00:09:45 < upgrdman_> :)
2015-09-17T00:09:46 < Fleck> naah, it more than 0.3mm
2015-09-17T00:10:07 < upgrdman_> look up an AWG chart, convert to metric.
2015-09-17T00:10:40 < upgrdman_> then google an acceptable "fagnet wire x awg"
2015-09-17T00:11:08 < Fleck> ;p
2015-09-17T00:11:16 < Fleck> are you drunk upgrdman?
2015-09-17T00:11:53 < upgrdman_> nope
2015-09-17T00:12:24 < upgrdman_> just having fun
2015-09-17T00:12:40 < upgrdman_> srsly, they make super thin magnet wire
2015-09-17T00:13:00 < Fleck> ok, thanks
2015-09-17T00:13:02 < upgrdman_> i have some that i regularly solder to lqfp's, and i've seen much smaller
2015-09-17T00:13:06 < Lux> you can def get <0.3mm
2015-09-17T00:16:22 < upgrdman_> damn it. been trying to track down why some firmware was detecting a fault that couldn't possibly happen. no solder on one of the pads of a pull up resistor. because fuck me.
2015-09-17T00:21:13 < Laurenceb_> heh
2015-09-17T00:21:23 < Laurenceb_> I have AWG48 from relays
2015-09-17T00:23:15 < Laurenceb_> basically impossible to see
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2015-09-17T00:24:03 < PeterM> 36awg is my standard pc trace fix thickness
2015-09-17T00:24:11 < PeterM> its 0.13mm or so
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2015-09-17T00:36:22 < dongs> dongs
2015-09-17T00:37:27 < kakimir> can you buy that magnet wire seperatelyl?
2015-09-17T00:37:41 < upgrdman_> of course
2015-09-17T00:37:55 < kakimir> should you?
2015-09-17T00:38:05 < upgrdman_> why the hell wouldn't you
2015-09-17T00:38:17 < upgrdman_> its not super expensive
2015-09-17T00:38:27 < upgrdman_> and it's not like you need a km of it
2015-09-17T00:44:43 < Laurenceb_> the crazy fine stuff is a bit of a pita to get hold of
2015-09-17T00:44:55 < Laurenceb_> thats why i just ripped down some micro relays
2015-09-17T00:46:00 < Laurenceb_> the worked out the AWG using a druggie balance
2015-09-17T00:50:50 < upgrdman_> is >> in c smart enough to not sign extend if the variable is unsigned?
2015-09-17T00:51:37 < kakimir> is there some reason you should use inverter amplifier setup with shunts or so?
2015-09-17T00:51:43 < kakimir> *inverted
2015-09-17T00:52:33 < kakimir> I rather have positive current as positive output and negative as negative output
2015-09-17T01:12:10 < kakimir> is zero crossing in adc crossing of some certain defined level?
2015-09-17T01:20:10 < yan_> anyone know why 'mon reset init' would not reset the register state? openocd + stm32l1
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2015-09-17T01:41:15 < BuildSmart> Ecoo: developing hardware for the CNC market, project is STM32 based and vastly improved over existing products that use the extremely limited functionality GRBL gcode interpreter.
2015-09-17T01:42:35 < BuildSmart> having someone join our group who'se affluent with STM32 development will help the project move along much faster.
2015-09-17T01:44:40 < BuildSmart> we will be developing the complete hardware to suit the project and not make the project fit the hardware.
2015-09-17T01:46:17 < BuildSmart> we've been developing the software for the CNC related code, I've been testing on an STM32F103ZET6 with very good results.
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2015-09-17T01:59:03 < kakimir> better than smoothieboard?
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2015-09-17T02:09:15 < yan_> man this is driving me nuts. i keep hitting hard faults inside the reset handler. i am starting to be convinced that it's a hardware issue
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2015-09-17T02:30:37 < BuildSmart> smothie is GRBL based, so much GCODE missing
2015-09-17T02:30:51 < BuildSmart> we have no missing GCODE
2015-09-17T02:31:25 < BuildSmart> we follow RS274 standards so we have no missing GCODE
2015-09-17T02:32:33 < kakimir> how about power side?
2015-09-17T02:32:37 < kakimir> seperate drivers?
2015-09-17T02:33:45 < BuildSmart> smoothieboard --> http://smoothieware.org/supported-g-codes
2015-09-17T02:34:15 < BuildSmart> our software --> http://gcodes.net/rs274ngc-g-code/
2015-09-17T02:38:34 < BuildSmart> smoothie is console based, our software is fully standalone.
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2015-09-17T05:20:32 < upgrdman> sup pros
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2015-09-17T05:26:08 < talsit> man, altium is generating gerbers of my internal planes as negative, for some reason, anybody got that?
2015-09-17T05:49:24 < icee> planes are usually negative
2015-09-17T05:49:28 < icee> so you get meaningful flashes
2015-09-17T05:50:07 < icee> if you can't cope wit hthat, make it a signal layer with a pour
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2015-09-17T05:58:02 < talsit> icee: oh right, thanks
2015-09-17T05:58:30 < icee> np
2015-09-17T05:58:50 < talsit> (ended up making it a signal layer - can control exact shape)
2015-09-17T05:59:39 < talsit> and i can draw a goatse in the inner copper if i want
2015-09-17T06:00:01 < icee> i had a fab house refuse to run a board because of something like that
2015-09-17T06:00:14 < icee> "we don't need no water let the motherfucker burn" on an inner layer
2015-09-17T06:00:23 < talsit> haha
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2015-09-17T07:02:04 < yan_> ok this is driving me nuts. every time i flash my binary via openocd and connect via openodb, symbols have different values.. _data is an export in my linker file that should point to the start of data section. readelf on the binary confirms it. yet when i 'p/x _data' after a fresh reset, each time it's something different
2015-09-17T07:02:48 < yan_> *connect via gdb
2015-09-17T07:03:24 < yan_> and it's sometimes 0xe0042300, which i can't google as a magic value.. i sometimes get sp set to that too
2015-09-17T07:06:59 < jpa-> what does    info symbol _data   tell?
2015-09-17T07:07:52 < jpa-> also maybe you are printing the data at the start of the data section (uninitialized ram?) instead of the address of _data
2015-09-17T07:11:28 < upgrdman> did you ever finish the gaymes you already have?
2015-09-17T07:11:40 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-17T07:13:57 < upgrdman> been busy with real work. plus, my 4 amp gate drivers don't arrive until friday or saturday
2015-09-17T07:14:33 < upgrdman> my 150mA driver can't handle the 10nF of input cap that my super beefy FETs have
2015-09-17T07:15:42 < upgrdman> weak ass gate driving is the top waveform:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/sepic_waveforms.png
2015-09-17T07:16:03 < upgrdman> irs2301   http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irs2301pbf.pdf
2015-09-17T07:16:19 < upgrdman> oh, heh. 120mA+     250mA-
2015-09-17T07:17:29 < upgrdman> and before you comment about the ringing, that isn't causing this particular problem. replacing the gate with a real 10nF cap to sim it, and the waveform has that slow rise time too
2015-09-17T07:19:37 < upgrdman> i tried 2.2nf iirc, and it was cleaner
2015-09-17T07:20:10 < upgrdman> so, ya. 4A driver, plan to PWM at 100kHz+, should be decent
2015-09-17T07:20:26 < upgrdman> will also try a high-side nmos to replace the diode
2015-09-17T07:20:35 < upgrdman> still have to see what my zener can handle
2015-09-17T07:21:35 < upgrdman> learning
2015-09-17T07:21:48 < upgrdman> just learning
2015-09-17T07:22:10 < upgrdman> might make a proper one later on for shits n giggles, but no real need for it right now
2015-09-17T07:23:06 < upgrdman> i invested like 10 mins of soldering and maybe 20 mins of fuckery
2015-09-17T07:23:25 < upgrdman> well not 10 mins of soldering. 10 mins of making the circuit
2015-09-17T07:24:00 < upgrdman> wtf am i gonna make? a dc-dc to compete with ebay.cn and sell them for $0.50 FREE SHIPPING!!! ?
2015-09-17T07:24:15 < upgrdman> ADC, not DAC. delta sigma, with a lattice mach xo2
2015-09-17T07:24:47 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ALBp2K9788
2015-09-17T07:24:53 < upgrdman> ^ my delta sigma fpga adc
2015-09-17T07:26:14 < upgrdman> R2COM, ya i still have not written the firmware for that half-assed attempted at a BLDC motor controller PCB i made
2015-09-17T07:26:41 < upgrdman> which is fine, cause i used those weak ass gate drivers on that PCB so it would need rework anyway
2015-09-17T07:26:48 < upgrdman> inorite
2015-09-17T07:26:53 < upgrdman> it's like 10 lines of verilgo
2015-09-17T07:26:56 < upgrdman> verilog
2015-09-17T07:34:02 < upgrdman> super pro cap by U2
2015-09-17T07:35:25 < upgrdman> those solder blobs look amazing tho. fuck, they're huge, but clung on and stayed shiney.
2015-09-17T07:35:29 < upgrdman> much impress
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2015-09-17T08:13:04 < upgrdman> R2COM, yes i was very big into rc heli's. at one point i had 7 of them. flew both electric and nitro.
2015-09-17T08:14:01 < upgrdman> re: video... seent it. but nice.
2015-09-17T08:19:32 < upgrdman> classic
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2015-09-17T08:22:56 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/SuXkSmO.png
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2015-09-17T12:19:04 < Ecco> hmm, ok I've a very very weird bug :(
2015-09-17T12:19:24 < Ecco> float my_function() { ... };
2015-09-17T12:19:39 < Ecco> In this function, I build a float manually, according to the IEEE754 spec
2015-09-17T12:19:56 < Ecco> If I inspect the return value in GDB, it's 0x3f800000 which is 1.0f
2015-09-17T12:20:23 < Ecco> and, strangely, I get a fault on the last line of my_function, on the return statement
2015-09-17T12:21:12 < zyp> which platform?
2015-09-17T12:21:17 < Ecco> STM32F401
2015-09-17T12:21:36 < zyp> have you enabled the FPU?
2015-09-17T12:21:38 < Ecco> so the core is CM4F
2015-09-17T12:21:44 < Ecco> zyp: Not manually
2015-09-17T12:21:49 < Ecco> Well, no
2015-09-17T12:22:06 < Ecco> Am I supposed to do it myself?
2015-09-17T12:22:12 < zyp> right, but you're still compiling with hardfloat-ABI?
2015-09-17T12:22:22 < Ecco> yes
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2015-09-17T12:22:34 < Ecco> -mcpu=cortex-m4 -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16
2015-09-17T12:22:39 < Ecco> -mthumb -march=armv7e-m -mfloat-abi=softfp
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2015-09-17T12:22:40 < Ecco> oh no
2015-09-17T12:22:43 < zyp> hardfloat-ABI says that a function returning float will return it in one of the FPU registers, not the CPU registers
2015-09-17T12:22:52 < Ecco> oh
2015-09-17T12:22:53 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-17T12:23:29 < zyp> well, softfp means you're not
2015-09-17T12:23:33 < Ecco> Actually I wonder why I have to worry about such details myself. Shouldn't the compiler handle that for me anyway?
2015-09-17T12:23:40 < zyp> sure
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2015-09-17T12:23:45 < Ecco> yeah I thought I used hardfloat, but in fact I don't
2015-09-17T12:23:53 < zyp> but if it requires usage of the FPU, it need to be enabled
2015-09-17T12:24:04 < zyp> which you have to do manually during startup code
2015-09-17T12:24:20 < Ecco> oh, ok
2015-09-17T12:24:23 < Ecco> Gotcha
2015-09-17T12:24:41 < Ecco> So a way to test that this is indeed the issue
2015-09-17T12:24:49 < Ecco> could be to just write some generic code that uses floats
2015-09-17T12:24:52 < Ecco> and see what it does
2015-09-17T12:24:55 < zyp> yes
2015-09-17T12:24:59 < Ecco> ok, excellent
2015-09-17T12:25:02 < Ecco> let me try that
2015-09-17T12:25:06 < Ecco> and thanks a lot already!
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2015-09-17T12:27:53 < zyp> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.dui0553a/BABDBFBJ.html <- read up here on how to enable it
2015-09-17T12:36:27 < Ecco> Why isn't it enabled by default? It eats up power?
2015-09-17T12:36:38 < Ecco> Should I disable it to save battery when i don't use it?
2015-09-17T12:38:14 < jpa-> IIRC the difference in power usage is pretty small
2015-09-17T12:38:23 < Ecco> so why bother?
2015-09-17T12:39:11 < jpa-> good question
2015-09-17T12:39:14 < Ecco> :-)
2015-09-17T12:39:42 < Ecco> So i've written my own "crt0" code
2015-09-17T12:39:44 < jpa-> if you enable FPU saving in interrupts, that takes significantly more stack RAM
2015-09-17T12:39:47 < Ecco> would that be a good time to enable FPU?
2015-09-17T12:40:12 < jpa-> i would enable it in the same place where clock is initialized, flash wait states is set etc.
2015-09-17T12:40:20 < Ecco> uuuhhhh
2015-09-17T12:40:27 < Ecco> I'm not doing any of this
2015-09-17T12:40:31 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-17T12:40:36 < jpa-> so you are running in just 8MHz?
2015-09-17T12:40:39 < Ecco> yes
2015-09-17T12:40:51 < Ecco> Or 16 maybe? I don't remember the default clock
2015-09-17T12:40:56 < jpa-> ok, well i think at some point you'll want to run faster :)
2015-09-17T12:41:09 < jpa-> usually the code where you initialize that is called "system init" or similar
2015-09-17T12:41:12 < Ecco> or slower :-D
2015-09-17T12:41:15 < Ecco> ok
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2015-09-17T12:52:50 < Ecco> Crap
2015-09-17T12:52:53 < Ecco> To enable the FPU
2015-09-17T12:53:01 < Ecco> I'm supposed to reset the pipeline at the end
2015-09-17T12:53:06 < Ecco> Can I do that in C?
2015-09-17T12:53:15 < Ecco> I've been avoiding ASM so far
2015-09-17T12:54:57 < Ecco> YAY \o/
2015-09-17T12:55:02 < Ecco> That was the issue!
2015-09-17T12:55:07 < Ecco> (FPU not enabled)
2015-09-17T12:55:10 < Ecco> Thanks a lot zyp :)
2015-09-17T12:56:11 < jpa-> there are some instrinsics in core_cm4.h, maybe you'll find the appropriate one?
2015-09-17T13:12:34 < Ecco> Thanks
2015-09-17T13:13:29 < Ecco> oh wow
2015-09-17T13:13:35 < Ecco> core_cm4.h uses bitfields!
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2015-09-17T14:01:09 < mtbg> hi
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2015-09-17T14:11:26 < PeterM> [14:20] <upgrdman> will also try a high-side nmos to replace the diode - don't forget teh zero cross detector!
2015-09-17T14:24:23 < Sync> upgrdman: contribute to stmbl instead of making your own :P
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2015-09-17T14:48:51 < dongs> Sync: isthat yourproj
2015-09-17T14:49:13 < dongs> lol, EAGLE
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2015-09-17T14:52:47 < qyx_> do you know some "potting compound"? silicone based or whatever
2015-09-17T14:53:24 < qyx_> for potting dc-dc converters in aluminum cases
2015-09-17T14:54:49 < dongs> i used epoxy shit
2015-09-17T14:54:54 < dongs> it hardened
2015-09-17T14:54:59 < dongs> and after few years killed hte circuits inside
2015-09-17T14:55:00 < dongs> lolz
2015-09-17T14:55:18 < dongs> we did abou 25k potted and 25k without
2015-09-17T14:55:23 < dongs> the potted shits had way higher fail rate
2015-09-17T14:55:47 < dongs> im sure the problem is pals used cheapest garbage they could find
2015-09-17T14:55:51 < dongs> potentially not for pcb use too
2015-09-17T14:56:06 < qyx_> aha
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2015-09-17T15:26:32 < Sync> dongs: I did not do the hardware that is currently on github
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2015-09-17T15:39:56 < jubatus> did you use a potting compound specifically made for electronics ?
2015-09-17T15:40:24 < jubatus> e.g. if you use normal silicone on a PCB the acetic acid will kill the chips.
2015-09-17T15:41:35 < qyx_> http://optimascomponents.com/rubber-potting-compound.html
2015-09-17T15:41:40 < qyx_> this one seems good
2015-09-17T15:41:41 < qyx_> except the price
2015-09-17T16:04:07 < dongs> Sync: but youre involved?
2015-09-17T16:04:36 < dongs> dicks have to keep buying shitty AC servo drivers from sanyo or some trash
2015-09-17T16:04:39 < dongs> but I think they're 400V
2015-09-17T16:07:51 < Sync> doesn't matter
2015-09-17T16:07:58 < Sync> but yeah I designed gen2 hardware
2015-09-17T16:10:24 < dongs> cool
2015-09-17T16:11:05 < Sync> we can drive rexroth 600V servos rock solid
2015-09-17T16:11:13 < Sync> the only issue is that we're not as fast
2015-09-17T16:11:24 < Sync> as the voltage only controls current rise
2015-09-17T16:16:13 < kakimir> dongs: there is a reason you don't use common epoxies as potting
2015-09-17T16:16:26 < kakimir> thermal expansion stuff and stuff
2015-09-17T16:17:04 < kakimir> didn't we talk about this some time ago?
2015-09-17T16:17:11 < dongs> not here
2015-09-17T16:17:15 < dongs> this was years ago
2015-09-17T16:19:39 < kakimir> do you hold responsibility?
2015-09-17T16:19:43 < dongs> nope
2015-09-17T16:20:51 < mtbg> dongs: https://i.imgur.com/jGZ8RBU.jpg the clock from that article
2015-09-17T16:21:03 < dongs> ya  saw it earlier today
2015-09-17T16:21:52 < kakimir> is that te bomb?
2015-09-17T16:21:57 < dongs> yes
2015-09-17T16:22:05 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2015-09-17T16:22:09 < kakimir> it looks like a bomb
2015-09-17T16:22:14 < Laurenceb> how does that not look like a bomb
2015-09-17T16:22:15 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-09-17T16:22:32 < kakimir> make it beep
2015-09-17T16:22:34 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-09-17T16:22:49 < dongs> i made a stun gun out of capacitors and brought that to school
2015-09-17T16:22:55 < dongs> that was pre-9/11 tho
2015-09-17T16:22:56 < Laurenceb> obvious publicity stunt is obvious
2015-09-17T16:22:57 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-09-17T16:23:02 < Laurenceb> I did the same thing
2015-09-17T16:23:04 < englishman> Join our STM32L4 hands-on seminar and receive a complimentary STM32L4 Discovery kit
2015-09-17T16:23:06 < englishman> oooooh
2015-09-17T16:23:08 < Laurenceb> camera flash units
2015-09-17T16:23:17 < dongs> Laurenceb: naw, i made shit out of some 600V caps
2015-09-17T16:23:22 < Laurenceb> lul
2015-09-17T16:23:23 < dongs> they were large cans
2015-09-17T16:23:27 < dongs> like really large
2015-09-17T16:23:29 < dongs> rectangular
2015-09-17T16:23:35 < dongs> and i charged it by plugging into the wall
2015-09-17T16:24:02 < kakimir> before 9/11 I was allowed to try flying airliner
2015-09-17T16:24:33 < kakimir> as a kid
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2015-09-17T16:25:05 < kakimir> wouldn't happen nowdays
2015-09-17T16:26:08 < mtbg> Ahmed, in addition to the White House, has been invited to MIT, the Google Science Fair, to FB headquarters by Mr. Zuckerberg, NASA and more
2015-09-17T16:26:15 < mtbg> https://i.imgur.com/q1wkqcn.jpg
2015-09-17T16:26:26 < dongs> lulz
2015-09-17T16:26:55 < mtbg> all in all, I think there was more profit than lose for him for the whole situation
2015-09-17T16:31:52 < Laurenceb> until it turns out to be a bomb all along
2015-09-17T16:33:02 < kakimir> profits just go up
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2015-09-17T16:38:13 < kakimir> I don't feel like drawing htssop44
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2015-09-17T16:44:01 < dongs> must be hard in kikecad
2015-09-17T16:46:22 < dongs> you can probably use some text editor to copypaste shit
2015-09-17T16:46:27 < kakimir> it's not but I'm fukked in the brain
2015-09-17T17:04:24 < PaulFertser> Haha, Obama sounds like he doesn't make a distinction between science and regular engineering.
2015-09-17T17:05:06 < ReadError> hm?
2015-09-17T17:05:24 < dongs> PaulFertser: wheres that url agian
2015-09-17T17:05:33 < dongs> i need to retweet it
2015-09-17T17:05:38 < PaulFertser> https://i.imgur.com/q1wkqcn.jpg
2015-09-17T17:05:49 < dongs> that, thanks
2015-09-17T17:06:25 < ReadError> well in america, engineering is a subset of science
2015-09-17T17:06:40 < ReadError> like engineering degrees are bachelors of science
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2015-09-17T17:07:02 < Sync> same thing germoney
2015-09-17T17:07:27 < Sync> in the end it is right, as engineering is applied science
2015-09-17T17:08:04 < PaulFertser> ReadError: isn't that as inappropriate as using honouring with Ph.D those who has no relation to phylosophy at all in its modern incarnation?
2015-09-17T17:09:17 < Laurenceb> arggggg
2015-09-17T17:09:18 < PaulFertser> Reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science , applied science is not really science.
2015-09-17T17:09:49 < ReadError> A Doctor of Philosophy degree (often abbreviated Ph.D., PhD, D.Phil., or DPhil[1]) or a Doctorate of Philosophy, from the Latin Doctor Philosophiae, is a type of doctorate awarded by universities in many countries.
2015-09-17T17:09:49 < ReadError> The degree varies considerably according to the country, institution, and time period, from entry-level research degrees to higher doctorates. A person who attains a doctorate of philosophy is automatically awarded the academic title of doctor. During the studies that lead to the degree, the student is called doctoral student, Ph.D. student, or D.Phil. student.
2015-09-17T17:11:11 < ReadError> Philosophy is the study of the general and fundamental nature of reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.
2015-09-17T17:11:20 < ReadError> which is kinda broad
2015-09-17T17:11:28 < Sync> no shit
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2015-09-17T17:16:31 < PaulFertser> When you're calculating led resistors with Ohm's law, can it be called applied mathematics? No way, you're just using the tool the mathematicians gave you without understanding it at all. You're just applying (trivial in your view) subset of what the real scientists provided you with. And if all you do is using a "magic wand" how is that can be called a part of a science when in fact that wand is
2015-09-17T17:16:37 < PaulFertser> not magic for the scientists at all?
2015-09-17T17:16:54 < Sync> that's applied science
2015-09-17T17:17:03 < englishman> thats called 'make:ing"
2015-09-17T17:17:03 < dongs> applied trolling
2015-09-17T17:17:25 < Sync> obv rocket surgery
2015-09-17T17:17:37 < PaulFertser> Is that php coder guy who copy-pastes snippets an applied programmer then?
2015-09-17T17:18:23 < ReadError> are scientologist scientist??
2015-09-17T17:18:30 < englishman> applied script kiddie
2015-09-17T17:19:01 < PaulFertser> ReadError: of course not, they do not use proper scientific methodology.
2015-09-17T17:19:13 < PaulFertser> Same with most enigneers.
2015-09-17T17:20:05 < PaulFertser> It's like calling "eating fruits" to be applied branch of "growing fruit trees".
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2015-09-17T17:20:45 < englishman> is that why i can do cherrypicking in github
2015-09-17T17:21:19 < PaulFertser> Nah, you cherry-pick from the already-picked berries.
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2015-09-17T17:21:52 < emeb> standing on the shoulders of giants?
2015-09-17T17:22:09 < emeb> it's true - very few of us do anything original.
2015-09-17T17:22:16 < PaulFertser> That's great and usually produces nice results, but does it make you a giant too?
2015-09-17T17:22:51 < emeb> don't have to be a giant if you can stand on one and achieve the same results.
2015-09-17T17:22:58 < PaulFertser> Of course!
2015-09-17T17:23:20 < BrainDamage> nobody can call himself a great xyz, only others can appoint the title, otherwise you're just vain anyway
2015-09-17T17:23:25 < PaulFertser> But calling it kind of a science is unfair.
2015-09-17T17:24:02 < Laurenceb> applied science https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dV0WDiu9Cw
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2015-09-17T17:24:19 < emeb> there's a world of difference between creating a tool and using a tool
2015-09-17T17:24:33 < emeb> if you had to both create *and* use the tool you'd get a lot less done
2015-09-17T17:24:59 < dongs> create *and* be a tool
2015-09-17T17:25:02 < emeb> I design musical instruments, but I'm not a musician. It's a completely different skill
2015-09-17T17:25:10 < englishman> to make a raspberry pi, first you must invent the universe
2015-09-17T17:25:13 < PaulFertser> emeb: fully agreed
2015-09-17T17:25:42 < emeb> doesn't mean that I'm less skilled than the musician, or vice-versa.
2015-09-17T17:25:47 < PaulFertser> The same about a scientist and an engineer. Very differest mindset and skillset.
2015-09-17T17:25:52 < emeb> yep
2015-09-17T17:26:11 < emeb> as any engineer who's ever worked with a scientist can attest. :)
2015-09-17T17:26:24 < mtbg> :>
2015-09-17T17:28:54 < mtbg> scientists often tend to be dissociated
2015-09-17T17:29:03 < mtbg> which sometimes is useful
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2015-09-17T17:31:27 < Ecco> We discussed a GPIO keyboard a few days ago
2015-09-17T17:35:37 < Ecco> I remember you guys told me that my naive way wasn't good
2015-09-17T17:37:38 < Ecco> My naive way is columns = outputs, and row = inputs pulled down
2015-09-17T17:38:06 < Ecco> IIRC, the issue was that two columns could end up being short-circuited if pressed together
2015-09-17T17:38:22 < Ecco> so having outputs trying to drive both low *and* high at the same time
2015-09-17T17:38:37 < dongs> n-dicks-rollover
2015-09-17T17:38:48 < Ecco> huh?
2015-09-17T17:39:15 < Getty> PaulFertser: it is very hard not to imagine you as sheldon now ;)
2015-09-17T17:39:29 < Getty> PaulFertser: it is like one of his rants about wolowitz and how useless he actually is
2015-09-17T17:40:05 < BrainDamage> he didn't say that at all
2015-09-17T17:40:23 < Getty> yeah i know ;) but it sounded a lot in that direction and i was imagining sheldon to it, was so fitting ;)
2015-09-17T17:41:51 < upgrdman> is that gang bang theory show still on tv?
2015-09-17T17:42:57 < Getty> yeah :)
2015-09-17T17:43:39 < mtbg> Ecco: you can pull up instead and switch outputs to open drain
2015-09-17T17:45:05 < Ecco> Yeah, that was the idea, thanks mtbg
2015-09-17T17:45:22 < Ecco> I couldn't remmeber it because I've forgotten what open drain does
2015-09-17T17:58:31 < Ecco> what does it do already?
2015-09-17T17:59:19 < upgrdman> open drain?
2015-09-17T17:59:27 < Ecco> yeah…
2015-09-17T17:59:29 < upgrdman> it can drive a pin low, or let it float
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2015-09-17T17:59:34 < upgrdman> but can not drive it high
2015-09-17T17:59:34 < Ecco> oh, ok
2015-09-17T17:59:39 < Ecco> I remember
2015-09-17T17:59:47 < Ecco> so
2015-09-17T17:59:50 < Ecco> input has pull-up
2015-09-17T17:59:56 < Ecco> but it's a pull-up, not a "drive" up
2015-09-17T18:00:09 < Ecco> i.e. if open drain drives low, very little current will actually flow
2015-09-17T18:00:10 < Ecco> right?
2015-09-17T18:01:13 < BrainDamage> if open drain drives low, you have a direct crossbar current from the pullup to gnd trough the output transistor
2015-09-17T18:01:20 < BrainDamage> the amount of current depends on the transistor
2015-09-17T18:01:43 < BrainDamage> err, te resistor
2015-09-17T18:01:56 < BrainDamage> plus some extra to charge parasitic capacity
2015-09-17T18:02:23 < Ecco> but that would be small because there's a resistor in the circuit
2015-09-17T18:02:25 < BrainDamage> when the transistor opens, the static current will be from leak, and the dominant current instead is an ephemeral one to charge the cap
2015-09-17T18:02:30 < Ecco> (likely to be in the thousands of ohms)
2015-09-17T18:02:37 < BrainDamage> depends on the resistor, but yes
2015-09-17T18:02:50 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-17T18:02:56 < Ecco> Great
2015-09-17T18:02:58 < Ecco> Thanks guys!
2015-09-17T18:03:39 < PaulFertser> Getty: I tried watching those series but couldn't manage for more than 5 minutes, the background laughter was intolerable for me.
2015-09-17T18:04:11 < BrainDamage> ideally the resistor will be a tradeoff between noise tollerance, static power consumption and switch speed, in pratice everyone slaps a value around 10k
2015-09-17T18:04:15 < dongs> typical american garbage
2015-09-17T18:04:19 < Getty> PaulFertser: the jokes are really good, like it
2015-09-17T18:04:22 < BrainDamage> since it tends to be used in non critical signaling
2015-09-17T18:04:38 < Ecco> ok
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2015-09-17T18:24:46 < dongs> so much for fucking hobbydick "auto-cutoff" 5V dc/dc
2015-09-17T18:24:57 < dongs> it cut off, and continued to drain lipo for 3 days
2015-09-17T18:25:18 < dongs> because hte MCU keeps running
2015-09-17T18:25:22 < dongs> and blinking "low battery"  on LCD
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2015-09-17T18:28:40 < dongs> What makes it just as complicated is that the serial numbers are all unique obviously but encode information about each Zano so we can't even use used chips in other runs that they were not intended for.
2015-09-17T18:28:44 < dongs> wat
2015-09-17T18:30:08 < Getty> dongs: is that a statement by them?
2015-09-17T18:30:12 < dongs> yes
2015-09-17T18:30:18 < Getty> i thought so, but i had to ask......
2015-09-17T18:30:18 < dongs> im about to rewtweet it because it makes no fucking sense
2015-09-17T18:30:48 < Getty> it is for sure the winning joker in bullshit bingo
2015-09-17T18:31:53 < dongs> https://twitter.com/zanoconspiracy/status/644534132928856065 done
2015-09-17T18:31:59 < dongs> ivan must be smoking something real good today
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2015-09-17T18:33:04 < Tectu> What are those two-directional buttons called that are also used in the DSONano?
2015-09-17T18:33:06 < Tectu> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ARM-DSO-Nano-PocketSized-Digital-Oscilloscope-DSO203-with-A-1-A-10-probe-PC-/140735452505
2015-09-17T18:33:16 < dongs> more like dsoZANO
2015-09-17T18:33:17 < Tectu> the ones that go two ways (and optionally with click/press down)
2015-09-17T18:33:24 < dongs> rocker switch?
2015-09-17T18:33:33 < Tectu> well, then I only find huge power supply things
2015-09-17T18:35:32 < Tectu> any other ideas?
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2015-09-17T18:39:03 < dongs> Tectu: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TPC1133GLFG/401-1264-2-ND/498793
2015-09-17T18:39:50 < Tectu> dongs, awesome! Exactly those
2015-09-17T18:40:22 < kakimir> sweet
2015-09-17T18:40:28 < Tectu> dongs, thank you very much, Sir
2015-09-17T18:40:31 < dongs> http://www.ck-switch.com/en/products.asp?pid=77&sid=56http://www.ck-switch.com/en/products.asp?pid=77&sid=56
2015-09-17T18:40:34 < dongs> er
2015-09-17T18:40:36 < dongs> http://www.ck-switch.com/en/products.asp?pid=77&sid=56
2015-09-17T18:40:43 < dongs> looks like 'scan switch' is wat CK calls them
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2015-09-17T18:47:45 < kakimir> is there ones with potentiometers?
2015-09-17T18:49:53 < Tectu> dongs, awesome, thanks man!
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2015-09-17T18:56:07 < dongs> Apologies if something of this nature has been asked before but how long before the Zano has wireless charging capability where it can simply land on a charging pad and recharge itself?
2015-09-17T18:57:41 < kakimir> he is being sorry to ask that
2015-09-17T18:58:04 < dongs> k bedtime
2015-09-17T18:58:06 < dongs> zano news caught up
2015-09-17T18:58:12 < dongs> shitstorm this weekend hopefully
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2015-09-17T19:14:43 < upgrdman> that would actually be kinda neat. to have a Qi charging pad for a little quad
2015-09-17T19:14:56 < upgrdman> even if you have to manually land on it like a pleb
2015-09-17T19:15:44 < aandrew> wait is zano actually moving forward?
2015-09-17T19:15:48 < aandrew> they didn't just take the money and run?
2015-09-17T19:20:02 < ReadError> looking back, ivan is probably thinking about all the thai lady boys he could have got with that $$$
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2015-09-17T19:35:27 < Laurenceb> all the adis
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2015-09-17T20:47:23 < Ecco> Should I wait between a write to GPIO_ODR and a read to GPIO_IDR?
2015-09-17T20:47:30 < Ecco> (still doing the matrix keyboard)
2015-09-17T20:51:41 < mtbg> probably
2015-09-17T20:51:54 < Ecco> ok. Why?
2015-09-17T20:52:27 < mtbg> because the pullups have to reload the small capacitance of pcb traces and input pins
2015-09-17T20:52:42 < Ecco> oh, ok
2015-09-17T20:53:04 < Ecco> So by the way
2015-09-17T20:53:10 < Ecco> If I'm not running any OS/scheduler
2015-09-17T20:53:18 < Ecco> what's the proper way to write a "sleep" function?
2015-09-17T20:53:32 < mtbg> it should reload in some hundreds nanoseconds
2015-09-17T20:53:35 < Ecco> (I mean, something that would wait and not eat a lot of power)
2015-09-17T20:54:19 < mtbg> which can require some dozen clock cycles depending on the frequency
2015-09-17T20:54:32 < Ecco> mtbg: ok:)
2015-09-17T20:54:34 < Ecco> thanks
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2015-09-17T21:07:35 < Ecco> ok, I've a hardware bug
2015-09-17T21:08:12 < Ecco> If I short my open-drain output (which the transistor active, so pulling low) and a "pulled-up input"
2015-09-17T21:08:18 < Ecco> the resulting voltage is 0V
2015-09-17T21:08:25 < Ecco> ohwait
2015-09-17T21:08:27 < Ecco> no, that's good
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2015-09-17T22:00:53 < BuildSmart> finding someone for hardware development seems to be harder than I had anticipated.
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2015-09-17T22:16:35 < qyx_> Ecco: yes, indeed
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2015-09-17T23:06:25 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Freenode
2015-09-17T23:06:28 < Laurenceb_> tl;dr
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2015-09-17T23:10:21 < Steffanx> More drama in .. 3..2.. 1..
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2015-09-17T23:10:48 < Steffanx> \o/
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2015-09-17T23:11:57 < yan_> if i'm not using USART_CLK pins, do i just not include them when i mark an alternate function? (stm32l1)
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2015-09-17T23:14:04 < ds2> anyone played around with gas sensors?
2015-09-17T23:14:52 < qyx_> yan_: nes
2015-09-17T23:14:53 < qyx_> yes
2015-09-17T23:15:10 < ds2> what kind of gases?
2015-09-17T23:15:28 < qyx_> no, that was for yan_
2015-09-17T23:15:36 < ds2> 'k
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2015-09-17T23:20:25 < yan_> qyx_: hm thanks. my stm32 is hanging on recv(), trying to rule out issues.. RCC clocks are enabled, gpio is enabled+configured
2015-09-17T23:21:22 < zyp> yan_, you say clocks are enabled, but are they correctly configured?
2015-09-17T23:21:46 < zyp> IIRC L1 has source selectors for those clocks in RCC
2015-09-17T23:22:09 < zyp> you might be running off a clock that's way slower than you thing and thus get a completely wrong baudrate
2015-09-17T23:22:43 < zyp> I suggest testing TX first, check that the output signal looks sane on a logic analyzer
2015-09-17T23:23:13 < yan_> zyp: i'm doing 'rcc_periph_clock_enable(RCC_USART1); rcc_peripheral_enable_clock(&RCC_APB2ENR, RCC_APB2ENR_USART1EN);'
2015-09-17T23:23:27 < yan_> zyp: that's via libopencm3.. i don't have access to my scope right now, trying to rule out any software issues first
2015-09-17T23:23:46 < zyp> read the RCC chapter in the RM on clock sources
2015-09-17T23:24:33 < yan_> zyp: looking at it now.. in the meantime, do i need to do anything special to run it in asynchronous mode?
2015-09-17T23:24:51 < zyp> no, it's async by default
2015-09-17T23:25:40 < zyp> hmm, actually, disregard what I said about clock sources, L1 doesn't have those
2015-09-17T23:26:39 < yan_> zyp: yeah, none of the example code i've seen used them
2015-09-17T23:28:32 < yan_> zyp: the way i configure: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/10d7ab3180f4e8c8c9f3
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2015-09-17T23:38:09 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSnFKbFc4ci15Q1k/view?usp=sharing
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2015-09-17T23:41:13 < Steffanx> stop doing those SMAs kakimir
2015-09-17T23:41:35 < kakimir> I have plenty of those
2015-09-17T23:41:43 < kakimir> bought +100
2015-09-17T23:44:45 < kakimir> besides this thing is to be switched at 500khz so I can use it as a poor excuse to run beautyful chinese coax in test setup
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2015-09-18T00:28:46 < PeterM> [00:24] <emeb> if you had to both create *and* use the tool you'd get a lot less done - is this the motto of kicad?
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2015-09-18T00:37:43 < PeterM> there is plenty of time for productivity when it iwsn't friday morning
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2015-09-18T01:35:39 < yan_> zyp: just confirmed with logic analyzer, nothing goes over the pins
2015-09-18T01:36:56 < zyp> cool, that means you've ruled out anything specific to reception
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2015-09-18T04:47:48 < jadew> R2COM, weren't you the one who was drawing cocks?
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2015-09-18T04:58:02 < upgrdman> R2COM, tried a high side nmos for my sepic, seems to work fine so far. still need to add a zener to keep Vboost - Vsource < 20V, but that should be trivial
2015-09-18T04:58:27 < upgrdman> also my 4A gate drivers arrived today. will prolly solder it tomorrow
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2015-09-18T05:00:28 < ReadError> R2COM once ABLomas is awake, we will confirm if you are a real russian
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2015-09-18T05:08:12 < upgrdman> R2COM, dongs:  http://imgur.com/UGZPde2
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2015-09-18T05:15:24 < dongs> cute
2015-09-18T05:26:38 < upgrdman> LOL  http://www.instructables.com/id/Electric-Lawn-Mower/
2015-09-18T05:32:16 < jadew> lots of fun!
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2015-09-18T05:57:01 < dongs> upgrdman: ...
2015-09-18T05:57:08 < upgrdman> ?
2015-09-18T05:57:13 < dongs> that link lol
2015-09-18T05:57:17 < upgrdman> :)
2015-09-18T05:57:18 < dongs> what could go wrong
2015-09-18T05:57:22 < upgrdman> inorite
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2015-09-18T06:08:29 < upgrdman> neat little robots:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxb3-bT8uxk
2015-09-18T06:11:43 < upgrdman> o.O
2015-09-18T06:12:42 < upgrdman> me gusta
2015-09-18T06:14:23 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/r/wtf/6ptdV7s
2015-09-18T06:14:24 < ReadError> wat
2015-09-18T06:14:40 < upgrdman> geez now everyone in here browses r/wtf
2015-09-18T06:14:45 < upgrdman> im such a bad influence
2015-09-18T06:14:48 < ReadError> no like
2015-09-18T06:14:56 < ReadError> if you link a non direct pic
2015-09-18T06:15:02 < ReadError> im forced to click other little pictures
2015-09-18T06:15:15 < upgrdman> combo toilet / head washing station
2015-09-18T06:15:48 < upgrdman> "forced" lol
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2015-09-18T06:18:23 < sadara> anyone have any idea why a STM32L051 wont boot unless it is connected to a debugger?
2015-09-18T06:18:29 < upgrdman> nice  http://i.imgur.com/VpeSLSP.jpg
2015-09-18T06:18:42 < upgrdman> sadara, semi hosting code?
2015-09-18T06:19:27 < sadara> no
2015-09-18T06:19:35 < sadara> wait, I''l double check
2015-09-18T06:21:06 < upgrdman> R2COM, seent it
2015-09-18T06:21:31 < upgrdman> sadara, i had your exact problem with an lpc1768 because i left some printf() in the firmware
2015-09-18T06:22:38 < sadara> I can't find it, bit there is a all to __dwrite, which is semi-hosting code
2015-09-18T06:23:08 < sadara> upgrdman,  Thanks, at least now I know what the problem is
2015-09-18T06:23:14 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-09-18T06:35:46 < sadara> upgrdman, is there a #define for semi-hosting?
2015-09-18T06:36:07 < upgrdman> i have done semi on an stm32
2015-09-18T06:36:39 < upgrdman> on lpc, afaik you have to comment out or #ifdef all your printf's, etc.
2015-09-18T06:37:07 < sadara> upgrdman, one sec, I'll grab some magic code for you
2015-09-18T06:37:30 < upgrdman> *i have NOT done semi on an stm32
2015-09-18T06:41:37 < sadara> #define debug(...) do{ printf( __VA_ARGS__ ); } while (0)
2015-09-18T06:43:08 < sadara> semi-hosting hates this
2015-09-18T06:43:18 < sadara> now idea why
2015-09-18T06:43:39 < upgrdman> do while 0? lol
2015-09-18T06:43:41 < sadara> *know
2015-09-18T06:44:25 < sadara> That is correct code for a define.
2015-09-18T06:44:38 < sadara> it's the printf that semihosting hates
2015-09-18T06:44:58 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-18T06:45:03 < upgrdman> bbl
2015-09-18T06:45:40 < ReadError> for R2COM https://gifsound.com/?gifv=bawRs11&v=-cZ7ndjhhps&s=11
2015-09-18T06:49:02 < dongs> upgrdman: related http://www.instructables.com/id/Cordless-Drills-Hacking-for-Other-Uses/
2015-09-18T06:49:43 < dongs> < sadara> #define debug(...) do{ printf( __VA_ARGS__ ); } while (0)
2015-09-18T06:49:49 < dongs> that doesnt even sound like anything a sane compiler would allow
2015-09-18T06:49:52 < dongs> gcc hack?
2015-09-18T06:51:44 < sadara> nope, standard code
2015-09-18T06:52:07 < sadara> it's actually a pretty common way of insulating code in defines
2015-09-18T06:52:17 < dongs> PeterM: have any chinq places that do alu CNC
2015-09-18T06:52:31 < dongs> or do any of you pros can cut some 5T alu for me
2015-09-18T06:52:41 < sadara> I'm pretty sure even __VA_ARGS__ is C99
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2015-09-18T07:05:34 < upgrdman> lol. one of my shit output caps is like 10 degrees C hotter than the rest.
2015-09-18T07:05:36 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/sepic_failing_capacitor.jpg
2015-09-18T07:07:49 < dongs> definitely assfucked
2015-09-18T07:08:17 < upgrdman> mmhmmm
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2015-09-18T07:09:51 < upgrdman> i also have a feeling those caps are pissed off at the pulse current
2015-09-18T07:10:15 < upgrdman> but im out of >35V MLCCs
2015-09-18T07:12:26 < upgrdman> those caps were from a FUCKING CRT MONITOR
2015-09-18T07:12:28 < upgrdman> :)
2015-09-18T07:12:37 < upgrdman> i didnt pay for them, lol.
2015-09-18T07:12:46 < upgrdman> like i'd buy some G-LUXON chinatrash
2015-09-18T07:12:59 < upgrdman> because i had few high voltage caps
2015-09-18T07:13:10 < upgrdman> and i want the output to tolerate >35V
2015-09-18T07:13:15 < upgrdman> since it's a sepic
2015-09-18T07:20:20 < upgrdman> not much here
2015-09-18T07:25:38 < upgrdman> i like it
2015-09-18T07:26:13 < BuildSmart> what boards are people typically using these days, it appears that most of the chatter is about FPGA's, are there advantages over using an STM32F4?
2015-09-18T07:26:19 < upgrdman> la county totally sucks ass though. population density is way too high
2015-09-18T07:26:50 < upgrdman> BuildSmart, uh what? fpga's and mcu's fill different purposes
2015-09-18T07:27:53 < BuildSmart> examples are LPC1768, this is an FPGA if I'm not mistaken.
2015-09-18T07:29:20 < ds2> hmmm?
2015-09-18T07:29:28 < ds2> who makes the LPC1768 FPGA?
2015-09-18T07:29:57 < BuildSmart> it's a question not a statement.
2015-09-18T07:30:04 < dongs> Sync: beep
2015-09-18T07:30:30 < upgrdman> dongs, R2COM:  https://vimeo.com/132609771
2015-09-18T07:30:46 < upgrdman> BuildSmart, no, it's a mcu. a shitty one. from nxp.
2015-09-18T07:31:06 < ds2> NXP MCU's aren't THAT bad
2015-09-18T07:31:52 < ds2> does it come with 70GHz probes?
2015-09-18T07:31:54 < ds2> :D
2015-09-18T07:32:09 < ds2> or is thata fiber?
2015-09-18T07:32:33 < upgrdman> ds2, not all of them. but the lpc1768... wtf.
2015-09-18T07:32:52 < ds2> upgrdman: isn't that the dual M0/M4?
2015-09-18T07:32:56 < upgrdman> no
2015-09-18T07:32:59 < upgrdman> its an m3
2015-09-18T07:33:03 < upgrdman> with shitty peripherals
2015-09-18T07:33:15 < ds2> at least they give you a ROM to control them :D
2015-09-18T07:33:27 < upgrdman> "we give you four timers. that's all you'll ever need."
2015-09-18T07:33:59 < ds2> depends on your application... 4is more then enough
2015-09-18T07:34:20 < upgrdman> being stingy with timers is retarded
2015-09-18T07:34:25 < upgrdman> it's not like they cost a lot
2015-09-18T07:34:40 < dongs> Sync: can your opensores trash drive this http://i.imgur.com/TtXY12w.jpg
2015-09-18T07:34:43 < upgrdman> also overpriced compared to stm
2015-09-18T07:34:44 < ds2> I prefer programmable logic blocks over timers
2015-09-18T07:35:46 < dongs> psoc more like psuck
2015-09-18T07:35:47 < jpa-> i agree that the lack of timers on lpc1768 is crazy
2015-09-18T07:36:45 < BuildSmart> upgrdman:  do you have a few minutes to discuss hardware?
2015-09-18T07:37:00 < upgrdman> i suppose
2015-09-18T07:37:41 < BuildSmart> I'm old and old-school, I still develop current hardware using Z80 CPU's
2015-09-18T07:39:06 < BuildSmart> I designed a drill controller for Clausing using a Z80
2015-09-18T07:39:20 < BuildSmart> simple, easy to work with.
2015-09-18T07:39:49 < dongs> As with current bench-model DPO /MSO70000-series instruments, DPO70000SX models can be operated remotely over a network using Windows® Remote Desktop. Use the Windows Remote Desktop utility to access your oscilloscope from across the lab or across the globe.
2015-09-18T07:39:59 < BuildSmart> buy them from china
2015-09-18T07:40:43 < BuildSmart> I've recently gone the AVR route, played with the 328P and 2560 and for simple applications it's marginal at best
2015-09-18T07:40:51 < dongs> ?
2015-09-18T07:40:54 < dongs> "marginal"?
2015-09-18T07:41:25 < dongs> 2560 cannot be possble useful for ANY application whatsoever
2015-09-18T07:41:27 < BuildSmart> mega2560 has insufficient IO's
2015-09-18T07:41:27 < dongs> not at $10/chip
2015-09-18T07:41:30 < dongs> wat
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2015-09-18T07:41:40 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-18T07:42:29 < upgrdman> dongs, i opened up a Hitec Aurora 7 like two years ago. it has an atmel 2560 on the board iirc. it was the same chip that the arduino mega used.
2015-09-18T07:42:51 < dongs> During 2009 the company more than doubled in size, creating the largest PRS company in Norway. This expansion further strengthened the company.s expertise in the areas including aerodynamics, control, software, mechanics and operations. Using this increased knowledge base the company continued to expand itself as the world leader in PRS and nano sensors.
2015-09-18T07:42:51 < upgrdman> err aurora 9
2015-09-18T07:43:05 < dongs> upgrdman: right, and turdigy 9x als uses 1280 or soemthing
2015-09-18T07:43:08 < dongs> thats not the point
2015-09-18T07:43:23 < dongs> 100qfp F407 is cheaper than failmega2560
2015-09-18T07:43:33 < BuildSmart> due to the limited IO's in the AVR I've we've decided to move to STM32 where we have 113 useable IO lines.
2015-09-18T07:43:36 < upgrdman> ya i no. i lol'd when i saw it in the radio.
2015-09-18T07:43:47 < dongs> what doyou need so many IO lines for
2015-09-18T07:44:05 < BuildSmart> CNC controller
2015-09-18T07:44:14 < dongs> err
2015-09-18T07:44:29 < BuildSmart> not the GRBL garbage that everyone else is using
2015-09-18T07:44:55 < BuildSmart> real RS274 compliant code
2015-09-18T07:45:57 < dongs> R2COM: scam
2015-09-18T07:46:22 < dongs> video of it working
2015-09-18T07:46:39 < dongs> then it doesnt exist
2015-09-18T07:47:53 < BuildSmart> for a 5-axis machine, just to drive motion homes and limits requires 35 IO, add spindle control, a tool changer, live tooling and you need about 90 IO
2015-09-18T07:49:32 < BuildSmart> since you can't buy a development board that can be used as a backbone because it provides stuff you don't need that waste IO lines we have decided we will produce all boards as required.
2015-09-18T07:50:59 < dongs> yeah i duno, plus i dont think you really need all that I/O for ALL of them
2015-09-18T07:51:02 < BuildSmart> I've thought about the EPM240, have done a little work with one but I'm not comfortable with it.
2015-09-18T07:51:56 < BuildSmart> no
2015-09-18T07:52:32 < BuildSmart> getting an SO-DIMM working with the STM32F4 wasn't exactly an easy task.
2015-09-18T07:52:52 < dongs> why would you even d otaht
2015-09-18T07:53:13 < BuildSmart> memory is required.
2015-09-18T07:53:56 < dongs> ????
2015-09-18T07:54:10 < dongs> what ancient dimm did you hookup to F4?
2015-09-18T07:54:14 < dongs> sdram from 2001?
2015-09-18T07:54:30 < BuildSmart> DDR3 SO-DIMM
2015-09-18T07:54:35 < dongs> noyou didnt
2015-09-18T07:54:42 < BuildSmart> excuse me?
2015-09-18T07:55:06 < dongs> lol, there's no fucking ddr3 controller on any F4 and thre's no way you're doing all required timing/refresh in software.
2015-09-18T07:55:23 < BuildSmart> of course not
2015-09-18T07:55:24 < dongs> this guy is a pro troll
2015-09-18T07:56:30 < dongs> BuildSmart: pics of DDR3 sodimm doing something useful on STM32
2015-09-18T07:56:43 < dongs> other than being plugged into a board unpowered.
2015-09-18T07:56:50 < BuildSmart> memory is managed by hardware
2015-09-18T07:57:15 < dongs> what "hardware" would that be?
2015-09-18T07:58:38 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?p=11739#p11739
2015-09-18T07:59:06 < BuildSmart> TI produces a DDR3 memory controller, they have some reference designs and application notes.
2015-09-18T08:01:47 < dongs> link
2015-09-18T08:02:28 < BuildSmart> initially we thought that we could make the entire controller with minimal parts however, this has proven to be impossible due to the requirements, moving tp a 176pin STM32F4 helped regain some lost IO but as we fix problems we lose IO and are now again running low.
2015-09-18T08:02:32 < BuildSmart> link for what?
2015-09-18T08:02:59 < dongs> the "TI DDR3 memory controller"
2015-09-18T08:03:04 < dongs> and what is its output?
2015-09-18T08:03:09 < BuildSmart> sec
2015-09-18T08:04:21 < BuildSmart> http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/sprugv8e/sprugv8e.pdf
2015-09-18T08:05:37 < BuildSmart> without a full BIOS it's impossible to detect memory size and speed so it's hard-coded for a single 256MB dimm
2015-09-18T08:08:33 < dongs> uh
2015-09-18T08:08:42 < dongs> this is describing some DDR3 controller in omap or someshit
2015-09-18T08:09:26 < dongs> KeyStone II aka TMS320C66whatever
2015-09-18T08:10:26 < dongs> what does this have todo with STM32
2015-09-18T08:10:48 < PaulFertser> Also, one hardly needs any "BIOS" to read SPD data from a memory stick: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_presence_detect#DDR3_SDRAM
2015-09-18T08:11:12 < dongs> 256mb? they dont evne make DDR3 in 256mb
2015-09-18T08:11:40 < BuildSmart> sorry DDR2 SO-DIMM
2015-09-18T08:12:14 < BuildSmart> no it is a DDR3 SO-DIMM 256MB
2015-09-18T08:12:30 < BuildSmart> I just read the labbel on it.
2015-09-18T08:14:09 < dongs> you're full of shit
2015-09-18T08:14:15 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: so, what IC is it actually connected to?
2015-09-18T08:14:56 < upgrdman> so annoying that amazon can sell a 7" tablet for $50 but you cant even but the lcd for that price.
2015-09-18T08:15:12 < dongs> STM32F429 has SDRAM controller, i suppose there's some slight chance you can interface it with an ancient SDRAM so-dimm
2015-09-18T08:15:18 < dongs> but not DDR1/2/3
2015-09-18T08:17:25 < BuildSmart> it says DDR3-800 256MB X 8, we show the full 256MB as writable memory.
2015-09-18T08:19:40 < BuildSmart> we've already off-loaded video onto a second STM32 to gain some IO back but everything is getting complicated and large and we're looking for a way to simplify things as making all these custom boards for velopment work is becoming counter-productive.
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2015-09-18T08:21:21 < dongs> assuming you're not trolling (and I hope you really are) I'm just gonna leave this link here: http://www.atmel.com/products/microcontrollers/arm/sama5.aspx#SAMA5D2_series
2015-09-18T08:21:23 < BuildSmart> I bought a 7.0in TFT for a Mega2560, it chewed up 42 IO lines
2015-09-18T08:21:36 < dongs> bbl
2015-09-18T08:22:52 < BuildSmart> so you advising I move to the SAM A5?
2015-09-18T08:25:19 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: please explain how exactly is that memory connected, what is it actually connected to?
2015-09-18T08:26:37 < BuildSmart> the SAM is providing ethernet and other non-required hardware and the number of available IO lines is in question.
2015-09-18T08:28:48 < BuildSmart> a TI memory controller.
2015-09-18T08:34:26 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: but the link you gave is describing a module in some SoC, not a dedicated controller IC.
2015-09-18T08:36:04 < BuildSmart> if you read it it describes a collection of IC's to manage the memory
2015-09-18T08:36:24 < BuildSmart> TI provides applicaiton notes and engineering bulletins.
2015-09-18T08:37:26 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: so, what specific IC are you using and how do you interface that IC to stm32f4?
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2015-09-18T08:52:32 < dongs> dongs
2015-09-18T08:52:36 < dongs> < BuildSmart> so you advising I move to the SAM A5?
2015-09-18T08:52:39 < dongs> no im suggesteing you stop trolling
2015-09-18T08:53:13 < BuildSmart> trolling?
2015-09-18T08:54:12 < BuildSmart> PaulFertser: TMS320DM696TL is the external memory interface IC
2015-09-18T08:54:21 < dongs> uh
2015-09-18T08:54:31 < dongs> thats a DSP that can probably run all your CNC crap by itself
2015-09-18T08:54:35 < dongs> why is STM32 even involved
2015-09-18T08:55:52 < BuildSmart> a DSP, the application note calls it an External Memory Controller so we got some samples.
2015-09-18T08:56:49 < dongs> yaman
2015-09-18T08:57:03 < dongs> I've got this bridge i can sell you
2015-09-18T08:57:17 < qyx_> am i reading correctly "CNC" and "DDR3"?
2015-09-18T08:57:26 < dongs> qyx, on STM32 even
2015-09-18T08:57:43 < dongs> if this isnt CNC equivalent of ZANO i duno wat it is
2015-09-18T08:58:51 < BuildSmart> what do I need the bridge for??
2015-09-18T08:59:09 < BuildSmart> the circuit has gotten complicated enough all on it's own.
2015-09-18T08:59:32 < BuildSmart> I'm trying to simpllfy it
2015-09-18T09:00:53 < qyx_> why do you need DDR3 memory on a CNC controller?
2015-09-18T09:01:05 < qyx_> keep it simple, remove it
2015-09-18T09:01:24 < dongs> qyx, he doesn't have enough I/O
2015-09-18T09:01:50 < BuildSmart> dongs, we need memory and IO
2015-09-18T09:01:56 < dongs> for what
2015-09-18T09:02:00 < qyx_> memory for hat
2015-09-18T09:02:42 < BuildSmart> to load in a NC file, to utilize a look-ahead buffer, to allow funcitons in the NC code so it all has to be resident.
2015-09-18T09:03:09 < dongs> fseek() works pretty good
2015-09-18T09:03:22 < dongs> i heard its a cool function
2015-09-18T09:04:59 < BuildSmart> maybe for a simple single subroutine in an NC file you can get away with seek
2015-09-18T09:05:22 < dongs> what programming genius is writting your shit, since its not "grbl garbage"
2015-09-18T09:05:43 < dongs> that he needs entire file cached in ram
2015-09-18T09:06:31 < BuildSmart> the code is from a known manufacturer and it's RS274 compliant
2015-09-18T09:06:58 < sadara> motion control can get pretty complex, software wise...
2015-09-18T09:07:33 < sadara> what type of motion?
2015-09-18T09:07:59 < BuildSmart> it's 3-dimensional spatial interpolating 5-axis simultaneously
2015-09-18T09:08:52 < sadara> is it snap crackle or pop?
2015-09-18T09:09:37 < BuildSmart> GRBL is got so much missing it wasn't worth considering, the planner code has so many errors and flaws and with such crucial gcode missing it's pretty much useless in a real environment.
2015-09-18T09:10:28 < BuildSmart> at least ECM2 is using RS274ngc code which is ppretty much compliant.
2015-09-18T09:11:38 < sadara> EMC is pretty advanced, I think it is a snap derivative
2015-09-18T09:12:00 < sadara> One  of the reasone the path planner needs so much RAM
2015-09-18T09:12:49 < sadara> *reasone = reasons
2015-09-18T09:14:10 < BuildSmart> the RS274ngc code is the open source version of the FANUC RS274 code
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2015-09-18T09:29:14 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: I can't find it here: http://www.ti.com/sitesearch/docs/universalsearch.tsp?searchTerm=tms320dm6 Also, if you call a very powerful DSP "an external memory IC" how it can be not trolling?
2015-09-18T09:31:18 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: what specific AN calls it like that?
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2015-09-18T09:37:15 < sadara> Are there any "good"  STM based open source CNC controllers?
2015-09-18T09:39:46 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: and it looks like none of TMS320DM6* support DDR3.
2015-09-18T09:40:58 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: please explain yourself
2015-09-18T09:41:55 < sadara> I think everyone here would know if there was an "easy/single chip" interface for ddr3
2015-09-18T09:43:08 < BuildSmart> Paul: http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/sprueq7c/sprueq7c.pdf
2015-09-18T09:43:19 < BuildSmart> I didn't say it was easy or simple
2015-09-18T09:43:57 < BuildSmart> the board has gotten extremely complicated and large, we're looking to find a simpler solution.
2015-09-18T09:44:17 < sadara> that is not a memory interface
2015-09-18T09:45:15 < sadara> that is the same as calling a STM32F7 a GPIO expander
2015-09-18T09:45:52 < BuildSmart> funny cause on the main page it says it's a memory interface.
2015-09-18T09:46:12 < sadara> lol, that is the manual FOR the memory interface
2015-09-18T09:46:16 < sadara> www.ti.com/lit/pdf/spruer9
2015-09-18T09:46:42 < sadara> ^^^ is the manual for the Video port interface
2015-09-18T09:47:23 < sadara> www.ti.com/lit/pdf/spruer4
2015-09-18T09:47:36 < sadara> ^^^ is the manual for the SPI interface
2015-09-18T09:47:54 < sadara> of the TMS320DM646x SoC
2015-09-18T09:49:31 < BuildSmart> yes dong told me it was a DSP and I've been reading up on it, he commented that with it the STM32 isn't needed and I can agree.
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2015-09-18T09:50:42 < BuildSmart> it's still a complicated mess even removing the STM32, a simple solution is what we're after.
2015-09-18T09:51:34 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: the part you mentioned doesn't exist at all it seems!
2015-09-18T09:52:02 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: what's that part really? What firmware it runs? And how is it interfaced with STM32?
2015-09-18T09:52:27 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: if you're kidding, I think everybody here would agree that's not fucking funny.
2015-09-18T09:52:49 < BuildSmart> I believe on I2c or FSMC
2015-09-18T09:53:57 < sadara> ROFLLAMO
2015-09-18T09:54:16 < PaulFertser> Now, it's kinda funny, agreed :D
2015-09-18T09:54:35 < sadara> sorry, didn't mean to be rude
2015-09-18T09:55:10 < sadara> Almost all DDR3 RAM has an I2C bus on it
2015-09-18T09:55:43 < sadara> You could make you life a lot easier by just using that
2015-09-18T09:56:36 < sadara> I think that it is called something different though
2015-09-18T09:56:55 < sadara> on RAM, but it is I2C
2015-09-18T09:57:49 < sadara> yeah, it's called SPD
2015-09-18T10:01:39 < BuildSmart> all I can say is that it's gotten extremely complicated and large, the guy making the decisions on required hardware has made decisions based on percieved needs, from what should have been a small simple board has turned into an extremely large and complicated board and I was hoping to find someone who is more equiped to make the right decisions join us as anything more than Z80/6502/68000 is beyond my abilities.
2015-09-18T10:02:29 < sadara> within 30sec tell me what snap is and I'll make on for you.....
2015-09-18T10:03:13 < sadara> .
2015-09-18T10:04:11 < sadara> dw, I'm a jerk ... rofl rofl
2015-09-18T10:05:28 < BuildSmart> are you referring to snap as in snap-together cnc machines?
2015-09-18T10:06:25 < sadara> google servo jerk
2015-09-18T10:07:51 < BuildSmart> what does snap have to do with servo jerk?
2015-09-18T10:09:43 < sadara> same as crackle and pop
2015-09-18T10:10:58 < sadara> Position, velocity, acceleration, jerk, jounce, snap, crackle, pop
2015-09-18T10:11:28 < BuildSmart> yes I can give you my number, curious, how do you send messages that are bold as everyone elses text is normal???
2015-09-18T10:11:28 < ReadError> whip dat screw
2015-09-18T10:11:41 < ReadError> huh his text is normal
2015-09-18T10:11:44 < ReadError> this is bold
2015-09-18T10:11:53 < ReadError> this is undderlined
2015-09-18T10:11:58 < ReadError> italy
2015-09-18T10:13:26 < sadara> BuildSmart, No idea
2015-09-18T10:13:42 < BuildSmart> two people now with bold text, we're trying to accomplish a full standalone CNC controller.
2015-09-18T10:14:16 < sadara> please be more specific
2015-09-18T10:15:05 < sadara> A cnc controller encompasses everything from a cork puller to a car factory
2015-09-18T10:15:06 < BuildSmart> a full closed loop motion control system, self contained
2015-09-18T10:15:20 < BuildSmart> for a 5-axis VMC
2015-09-18T10:15:31 < sadara> just one?
2015-09-18T10:15:41 < BuildSmart> one????
2015-09-18T10:15:48 < ReadError> cant a beagleboner do that already ?
2015-09-18T10:15:53 < ReadError> or tarduino
2015-09-18T10:15:55 < sadara> one machine
2015-09-18T10:16:27 < BuildSmart> each controller will control one machine.
2015-09-18T10:17:03 < sadara> how many controllers in total?
2015-09-18T10:17:17 < BuildSmart> several thousand.
2015-09-18T10:17:47 < sadara> 8{
2015-09-18T10:18:03 < BuildSmart> ???
2015-09-18T10:18:58 < BuildSmart> how'd you do the bold text
2015-09-18T10:19:10 < ReadError> lol hes not doing bold text bruv
2015-09-18T10:19:14 < sadara> What bold text?
2015-09-18T10:19:21 < ReadError> ur client is broke
2015-09-18T10:19:43 < PaulFertser> Or the weed is too good.
2015-09-18T10:19:51 < BuildSmart> you said and I quote "What are you actually trying to accomplish?" and it was bold.
2015-09-18T10:20:08 < sadara> what client are you on?
2015-09-18T10:20:10 < BuildSmart> yes
2015-09-18T10:20:24 < sadara> and don't say the cute one...
2015-09-18T10:20:43 < BuildSmart> Conversation
2015-09-18T10:21:08 < sadara> konversation?
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2015-09-18T10:21:36 < ReadError> KDE use would be disgusting
2015-09-18T10:21:45 < BuildSmart> no, "Conversation", it's a Mac IRC client.
2015-09-18T10:21:54 < ReadError> try Textuals
2015-09-18T10:22:12 < BuildSmart> this client seems to work fine.
2015-09-18T10:22:34 < BuildSmart> yes
2015-09-18T10:22:48 < BuildSmart> you think it's not working properly?
2015-09-18T10:23:10 < PaulFertser> Is it possible you're getting scammed by some "engineer" and the board that got complicated is not even supposed to work and just has some random parts on it?
2015-09-18T10:23:13 < BuildSmart> I see everything that is typed, some of your messages are bold, others normal.
2015-09-18T10:23:52 < BuildSmart> "No, it appears to be working fine" and "is htis bold" are bold
2015-09-18T10:24:08 < ReadError>  do you see colours
2015-09-18T10:24:15 < BuildSmart> yes
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2015-09-18T10:26:48 < sadara> BuildSmart, for a project like that, I think you need to speak to an expert
2015-09-18T10:27:20 < BuildSmart> I thought I was speaking with several experts?
2015-09-18T10:27:36 < sadara> Just one, but dongs left...
2015-09-18T10:27:36 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: I hope you do understand that you look creepy?
2015-09-18T10:27:49 < BuildSmart> creepy???
2015-09-18T10:28:05 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: most of the details about your board sound fake.
2015-09-18T10:28:45 < BuildSmart> unfortunately I wont be able to convince you otherwise.
2015-09-18T10:28:55 < sadara> Pics or it didn't happen
2015-09-18T10:29:12 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: well, you even list a part number that's nowhere to be found!
2015-09-18T10:29:29 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: and the overall design as you describe it sounds just improbable.
2015-09-18T10:29:48 < BuildSmart> that number I can read on the chip
2015-09-18T10:30:14 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/X-NUCLEO-IHM03A1/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvNM%2fd3q5fCV2mLU9FR%252bz0orHDN218ieu0%3d
2015-09-18T10:30:16 < ReadError> oh dope
2015-09-18T10:30:20 < ReadError> mouser has them in stock now
2015-09-18T10:30:40 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: probably you misread it then. Check TI's site for yourself.
2015-09-18T10:30:47 < sadara> That would be one of the least likely chips to see on a CNC controller
2015-09-18T10:30:57 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: also, who's writing the firmware for that chip?
2015-09-18T10:31:32 < sadara> the software for that chip is a massive undertaking
2015-09-18T10:31:41 < talsit> what die size do you need for RG178?
2015-09-18T10:33:20 < sadara> A lot of ppl come on IRC hoping to take advantage of "experts"
2015-09-18T10:34:17 < sadara> I personally don't care. The concept of your project is interesting and reasonable, but sounds truely implausable
2015-09-18T10:34:35 < BuildSmart> A local guy has been doing moth of the hardware work, we've been shelling out to buy whatever he says we need to make it work.
2015-09-18T10:34:53 < sadara> BuildSmart, Your been taken advantage of
2015-09-18T10:37:10 < sadara> perspective: lets make a dune buggy... we need an engine... ok, we need to buy a nuclear submarine, we connect that to this golf cart, and tadaa!
2015-09-18T10:38:13  * talsit sees nothing wrong with that - sounds fun actually
2015-09-18T10:38:30  * sadara until you have to pay for the sub....
2015-09-18T10:38:53 < talsit> well, if you have the spare cash to buy a submarine, then why not?
2015-09-18T10:39:00 < Sync> dongs: which angular position system is it?
2015-09-18T10:39:47 < sadara> BuildSmart, what is the cost of that DMSoC, and the cost of a dev kit (Even I wouldn't try and use that chip without one, and I am TIGHT when it comes to dev kits.
2015-09-18T10:39:57 < sadara> Sync, I think dongs is AFK
2015-09-18T10:42:41 < Sync> dongs: yeah we can drive them
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2015-09-18T10:45:36 < BuildSmart> the kit was about $425.00
2015-09-18T10:45:52 < sadara> that doesn't sound right
2015-09-18T10:46:02 < sadara> that's freaking cheap
2015-09-18T10:46:33 < talsit> which kit is this?
2015-09-18T10:46:40 < BuildSmart> we've run off about 8 revisions of the main board so far and did a small run of the STM32 pucks
2015-09-18T10:46:49 < sadara> TMS320DM646
2015-09-18T10:47:23 < BuildSmart> TMS320DM646TL
2015-09-18T10:48:14 < BuildSmart> when we started we thought the board would be small like the current stuff but at this time we are 9 x 12 and it's still not right.
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2015-09-18T10:49:17 < BuildSmart> finding someone affluent with the STM32 would help the project move along.
2015-09-18T10:49:58 < sadara> you need someone affluent with FPGAs, or if your making 1000s, ASICs
2015-09-18T10:50:40 < sadara> do all you RT stuff in the FPGA, you get a cpl of hundred IO's for $10
2015-09-18T10:50:54 < BuildSmart> the original RS274 code was on a 286 CPU with 16MB of ram, my partners daughter (a programming student) has reworked the code for STM32
2015-09-18T10:52:11 < Sync> sadara: you don't need an fpga
2015-09-18T10:52:12 < BuildSmart> the look-ahead has been disabled and due to the lack of memory embedded NC functions aren't working, other than that all standard GCODE is working
2015-09-18T10:52:15 < sadara> do your pathing in a m4 if you want a gui, and a seperate system for the gui
2015-09-18T10:52:23 < Sync> we have a time-optimal path planner running on an f7
2015-09-18T10:52:34 < Sync> with controlled jerk
2015-09-18T10:53:06 < sadara> Sync, only jerk, no snap or crackle ? ;)
2015-09-18T10:54:19 < sadara> the pathing wont be the hard part, as long as the machine is insane acceleration
2015-09-18T10:55:21 < BuildSmart> machine hardware is my area of expertise
2015-09-18T10:55:42 < sadara> BuildSmart, specifically?
2015-09-18T10:56:04 < BuildSmart> I've designed, built and sold miniature ATC spindles and small frames with insane rigidity.
2015-09-18T10:56:27 < BuildSmart> ISO15, BT15, ISO20 and BT20 ATC spindles
2015-09-18T10:56:59 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: http://www.ti.com/product/TMS320DM6467?keyMatch=tms320dm6&tisearch=Search-EN doesn't support DDR3 either
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2015-09-18T10:57:32 < BuildSmart> this might explain the issues with memory
2015-09-18T10:58:45 < Sync> sadara: the rest is very simple too
2015-09-18T10:59:02 < Sync> the motion controllers are not really an issue
2015-09-18T10:59:20 < sadara> Sync, I know you don't need an FPGA, it does kill a few birds cheply though. (field IOs, encoder inputs, servo pids etc)
2015-09-18T10:59:59 < BuildSmart> see the pull-down   http://www.dalecnc.com/
2015-09-18T11:00:01 < sadara> ALL: I've not slept in 72hours, please forgive the typos/speeeling
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2015-09-18T11:00:52 < Sync> all position control is done in the motion controller itself
2015-09-18T11:00:59 < Sync> everything else is just eh
2015-09-18T11:01:13 < Sync> closing the loop outside the motion controller is not the right way to do it imho
2015-09-18T11:01:17 < PaulFertser> BuildSmart: if you really mean TMS320DM6467 , do you understand that it's an ARM9 core plus a DSP core? And you can do everything you need on it. If someone who designed a board with that part says you should have an stm32 as well to run your application and use that TI SoC as a DDR interface IC, it's just plain BS.
2015-09-18T11:01:44 < sadara> Sync, on a full size CNC maching centre, the "everything else" takes more resources than the motion control
2015-09-18T11:02:40 < sadara> Sync, Your suggesting realtime / JIT path planning in the main loop?
2015-09-18T11:02:51 < BuildSmart> sadara, how'd you do the bold text?
2015-09-18T11:03:28 < BuildSmart> THAT BOLD TEXT!!!!
2015-09-18T11:03:28 < Sync> no, but the path planner just bangs in position commands into the servo drives
2015-09-18T11:03:39 < Sync> and they care about everything else acheiving the position
2015-09-18T11:04:26 < sadara> Sync, that does have several problems if one servo lags
2015-09-18T11:04:39 < BuildSmart> "What bold text?" and "WHAT BOLD TEXT?????" are bold
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2015-09-18T11:05:19 < Sync> not really, if you have follow errors outside of tolerance you error out
2015-09-18T11:05:20 < sadara> does anyone else here see any bold text?
2015-09-18T11:05:37 < sadara> Sync, example: Power threading.....
2015-09-18T11:05:48 < BuildSmart> rigid taping
2015-09-18T11:06:02 < Sync> yeah, so what?
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2015-09-18T11:06:28 < Sync> if your servo amp has issues with lag, it is just wrong
2015-09-18T11:06:36 < sadara> lol,
2015-09-18T11:06:37 < Sync> most etherCAT machines work that way
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2015-09-18T11:06:58 < sadara> most ethercat machines can't rigid tap
2015-09-18T11:07:03 < BuildSmart> if you servo lags during rigid taping it either errors out or breaks the tap.
2015-09-18T11:07:19 < sadara> (or the part)
2015-09-18T11:07:22 < BuildSmart> can't rigd tap?
2015-09-18T11:07:59 < Sync> I don't see any reason why they could not rigid tap, and in fact they can do it
2015-09-18T11:08:00 < BuildSmart> what VMC can't rigid tap?
2015-09-18T11:08:10 < sadara> I am probably wrong, but I believe ethercat machines are "loosly coupled"
2015-09-18T11:08:19 < sadara> ethercat, not VMC
2015-09-18T11:08:33 < Sync> most VMCs are now using ethercat or something similar
2015-09-18T11:08:34 < sadara> ethercat is a type of servodrive interconnect
2015-09-18T11:08:49 < Sync> it is designed for stuff like that
2015-09-18T11:09:21 < sadara> if an ethercat machine can rigid tap, it is getting feedback from the drives
2015-09-18T11:09:40 < Sync> it does not need to
2015-09-18T11:10:15 < sadara> you can't path plan drag
2015-09-18T11:10:45 < Sync> you can't, but the drive can follow your position just fine
2015-09-18T11:11:18 < BuildSmart> also the spindle (or spindle motor) requires an encoder to do rigid taping
2015-09-18T11:12:05 < BuildSmart> an encoder is required to orient the spindle for ATC
2015-09-18T11:12:13 < sadara> ok, look at it this way. Your saying that information flow from motion planner to drive is one way, am I understanding you correctly?
2015-09-18T11:12:44 < Sync> yes, which works perfectly well
2015-09-18T11:13:20 < sadara> BuildSmart, he is saying all axis (inc spindle) have encoders, just that the encoder is only connected to the drive, not as a feedback path for the motion controller
2015-09-18T11:13:31 < BuildSmart> no
2015-09-18T11:13:36 < sadara> Sync, your wrong.
2015-09-18T11:13:54 < Sync> then why does my machine do exactly that and works? :)
2015-09-18T11:13:59 < sadara> in theory, reality is a wonderful place.
2015-09-18T11:14:06 < BuildSmart> I have several real CNC panels, encoders are connected to the panel as well as the drive.
2015-09-18T11:14:14 < sadara> Sync, because you built it like that
2015-09-18T11:14:18 < Sync> and so does the datron
2015-09-18T11:14:28 < sadara> specsheet?
2015-09-18T11:14:39 < Sync> there is nothing to see from the specsheet
2015-09-18T11:14:47 < BuildSmart> thre is no way you can rigid tap without at least an encoder on the spindle connected to the panel.
2015-09-18T11:15:15 < Sync> I never said anything about encoders on the spindle
2015-09-18T11:15:28 < BuildSmart> I did
2015-09-18T11:15:28 < Sync> it's just that you don't need to feedback position in the path planner
2015-09-18T11:15:48 < sadara> there is no way you can do "closly coupled"  motion, (read that as fast AND accurate), without feedback
2015-09-18T11:15:49 < BuildSmart> only for Z-axis during rigid taping
2015-09-18T11:16:17 < sadara> so, you either cripple your machine by slowing it down, or by reducing the accuracy
2015-09-18T11:16:28 < Sync> there is feedback, it just is in the servo amp
2015-09-18T11:16:36 < Sync> I'm using glass scales as well
2015-09-18T11:16:38 < sadara> that is not feedback
2015-09-18T11:16:44 < Sync> but they don't have anything to do with the servo amp
2015-09-18T11:16:45 < Sync> eh
2015-09-18T11:16:47 < Sync> path planner
2015-09-18T11:17:12 < Sync> if I'm within my accel and speed limits of the machine, my amp will follow
2015-09-18T11:17:14 < sadara> Sync, so you have crippled your machines speed potential for accuracy
2015-09-18T11:17:20 < Sync> I have not
2015-09-18T11:17:23 < BuildSmart> so your Z is aware of the position of the spindle at all times and you have no spindle encoder feedback to your panel?
2015-09-18T11:18:28 < BuildSmart> that would be a major feat to accomplish without some special tooling
2015-09-18T11:18:53 < Sync> currently I'm using the spindle encoder to feedback into the pathplanner but theoretically (and practically I've tested that) I can just command the spindle to go to an angle and it will do that
2015-09-18T11:19:00 < Sync> and the rest just goes from there
2015-09-18T11:19:20 < Sync> and for the other moves feedback into the path planner is simply not needed
2015-09-18T11:19:39 < sadara> He is saying he would just put a 500hp spindle on, and let the servo drive tell it what to do. and as long as he has a really large saftey margin (like 1000%) and moves the spindle slowly enough the rest of the slow moving 500hp spindles will orient themselves correctly around the spindle, reguardless of if they have to punch through the solid block of cast iron he is machining
2015-09-18T11:20:17 < BuildSmart> for A and C there is also encoder feedback
2015-09-18T11:20:24 < sadara> and only take really light cuts
2015-09-18T11:20:27 < BuildSmart> for X and Y there  isn't
2015-09-18T11:21:05 < sadara> BuildSmart, the only reason that X and Y wouldn't have feedback is economics
2015-09-18T11:21:07 < BuildSmart> there are ports for encoders but neither the Okuma or DooSan have encoders connected on X or Y
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2015-09-18T11:23:08 < sadara> with the cost of a couple of timers or gates on a FPGA being close to zero, there is no reason modern CNC equiptment shouldn't be tightly coupled
2015-09-18T11:23:39 < sadara> ie, if an axis slow down, all other axis slow down the exact same amount
2015-09-18T11:24:33 < mervaka> just keep everything in lock-step?
2015-09-18T11:24:37 < sadara> Why would an axis slow down? Maybe it is carrying a heavy part or tool, maybe lack of maintainance/oil/grease, maybe it is overcutting/blunt tool
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2015-09-18T11:25:43 < sadara> mervaka, you don't do rapids in lock step, but when cutting, it isn't important what speed 1 axis moves, as long as all axis mave at the correct rate
2015-09-18T11:26:05 < BuildSmart> if I pause a running NC, use the MPG to tilt the table, Z auto-position relocates
2015-09-18T11:26:42 < sadara> as I said above, there are many reasons the ACCELERATION/JERK/JOUNCE of an axis may change
2015-09-18T11:27:25 < mervaka> i'll admit motor control isn't something we deal with here much, but that's how i'd approach the problem.
2015-09-18T11:27:59 < sadara> It really comes done to "Why wouldn't you"
2015-09-18T11:28:21 < mervaka> take small steps, and make sure everyone's where they need to be before taking the next steps
2015-09-18T11:28:46 < mervaka> this is of course assuming stepper motors
2015-09-18T11:29:37 < mervaka> but all our motor control systems are just PIDs, and one axis at that.
2015-09-18T11:30:03 < mervaka> so that experience is pretty irrelevant
2015-09-18T11:30:22 < sadara> mervaka, most controllers take it much further than that, they predict the path of each axis, and then calculate correction for all axis in the future, usually in a quaternion matrix, and then decimated into machine "plank" lengths
2015-09-18T11:30:50 < mervaka> it seems motor control theory goes far beyond what i know :)
2015-09-18T11:31:11 < sadara> moving 1 axis is easy
2015-09-18T11:31:22 < sadara> moving two is hard
2015-09-18T11:31:34 < mervaka> i can imagine
2015-09-18T11:32:04 < sadara> but the cost of hardware now makes it possible
2015-09-18T11:32:43 < mervaka> i'll just go back under my rock and continue playing with TFT screens :)
2015-09-18T11:33:01 < sadara> a CNC controller that cost $200000  20 years ago is less powerfull than some of the better opensource controllers used for 3d printers
2015-09-18T11:34:24 < sadara> BuildSmart, google MESANET for an idea about how modern Realtime control is done.
2015-09-18T11:35:11 < sadara> You have a non realtime GUI, a non realtime path planner, and then a real time controller that keeps track of everything
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2015-09-18T11:37:00 < sadara> BuildSmart, I would like to take to you in the future about spindles
2015-09-18T11:37:51 < BuildSmart> a solution that uses an incomplete set of gcodes, example, you have to compensate for tool DIA in your gcode because your planner is too primitive.
2015-09-18T11:38:03 < BuildSmart> spindles, no problem.
2015-09-18T11:38:26 < sadara> can you right click on my name?
2015-09-18T11:38:37 < sadara> wait, mac user....
2015-09-18T11:38:59 < BuildSmart> right-click and select what?
2015-09-18T11:39:04 < sadara> query
2015-09-18T11:39:55 < BuildSmart> damn, lots of info
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2015-09-18T11:40:13 < jpa-> sounds like cnc discussion
2015-09-18T11:40:42 < BuildSmart> what am I specifically looking for?
2015-09-18T11:40:44 < sadara> BuildSmart, It's usualy concidered polite to ask before you finger someone
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2015-09-18T11:41:08 < sadara> query
2015-09-18T11:41:24 < BuildSmart> so sorry, I appologize, I just clicked some of the options to see what is returned.
2015-09-18T11:42:44 < BuildSmart> there's about 12 options and 18 pages of stuff, what I am looking for?
2015-09-18T11:43:09 < sadara> just join #CNC
2015-09-18T11:43:30 < sadara> type /j #cnc
2015-09-18T11:44:00 < Sync> sadara: if you have position error due to load, then your drive system is designed wrong or you are overloading the machine
2015-09-18T11:44:19 < Sync> and you cannot cut harder than your servodrive will drive it
2015-09-18T11:44:27 < Sync> otherwise you would be loosing position and it errors
2015-09-18T11:44:55 < sadara> Sync, everytime your cutter touches the work, your machine is out of position
2015-09-18T11:45:03 < Sync> it is not
2015-09-18T11:45:05 < Sync> it flexes
2015-09-18T11:45:13 < Sync> but that's it
2015-09-18T11:46:15 < sadara> so the magnetic field in your servo is 100% stiff?
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2015-09-18T12:07:25 < PeterM> [17:23] <ReadError>  do you see colours - best out of context quote of the day
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2015-09-18T12:40:33 < Laurenceb_> so much fail
2015-09-18T12:40:35 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/18/bbc_microbit_delayed_by_power_supply_snafu/
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2015-09-18T12:49:00 < Sync> sadara: no, but it doesn't need to be and the servos are position controlled anyway
2015-09-18T12:49:05 < Ecco> Hmm, ok, back to the soldering iron
2015-09-18T12:49:09 < Sync> and rigid tapping also works with openloop steppers
2015-09-18T12:49:12 < Sync> so eh
2015-09-18T12:49:20 < Ecco> I've a short on my matrix keypad
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2015-09-18T13:04:42 < trepidacious> Laurenceb: Which power supply went wrong, something on the board or a wallwart?
2015-09-18T13:06:28  * sadara ignores Sync 
2015-09-18T13:06:40 < sadara> double eh
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2015-09-18T13:47:49 < Fleck> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/18/microsoft_has_developed_its_own_linux_repeat_microsoft_has_developed_its_own_linux/
2015-09-18T13:48:07 < Fleck> this is better Laurenceb ;D
2015-09-18T13:52:36 < Bundestrojaner> I try to read Data on a model vehicle with a photo transistor when driving over a IR LED.
2015-09-18T13:52:36 < Bundestrojaner> I use the USART to send and read and i send a 5 Byte-Frame at 19200baud: 0Byte as preamble, 3 Byte Data, a checksum (XOR of the 3 Bytes).
2015-09-18T13:52:36 < Bundestrojaner> Receiving is done with a state-machine and a timeout: the statemachine is resetted if the usart doesn't receive a byte for >3ms.
2015-09-18T13:54:57 < Bundestrojaner> my problem is, that the vehicle starts to receive when it comes into the range of the IR-LED. So i need a possibility to synch...
2015-09-18T13:54:57 < Bundestrojaner> What's the easiest way to do that? My idea is a break of 1,5Byte (=625µs)
2015-09-18T13:55:38 < jpa-> yeah, that is a typical way and works pretty way
2015-09-18T13:55:50 < jpa-> have a 2 bytes worth of pause between the frames
2015-09-18T13:55:53 < jpa-> *pretty well
2015-09-18T13:56:38 < Bundestrojaner> jpa-: i'll try that, thanks :)
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2015-09-18T13:57:27 < jpa-> actually 2 bytes pause is not enough for your 3ms timeout - but yeah, adjust as needed
2015-09-18T13:57:43 < jpa-> you could lower the timeout to 0.5ms IMO
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2015-09-18T13:59:03 < Bundestrojaner> jpa-: i created the timeout for the case when the vehicle leaves the range of the IR-LED
2015-09-18T14:00:46 < Bundestrojaner> jpa-: i think the usart has a "timeout" itself, because during the break it finishes its last byte and will wait for a startbit
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2015-09-18T14:02:12 < Bundestrojaner> btw: do i need an extra break after the 2 stopbits between 2 bytes? because i implemented the usart in software, so i can feed several IR-LEDs with a single ATMega8
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2015-09-18T14:54:12 < dongs> sup innovators
2015-09-18T14:54:29 < dongs> FINALLY
2015-09-18T14:54:30 < dongs> new altidong
2015-09-18T14:54:36 < dongs> er, that was 4 daysd ago
2015-09-18T14:54:37 < dongs> im slacking
2015-09-18T14:57:01 < Sync> too much stonering
2015-09-18T14:57:07 < dongs> sync did you see my stonerquestion
2015-09-18T14:57:10 < Sync> ye
2015-09-18T14:57:25 < Sync> did you see my #420blazeit answer?
2015-09-18T14:57:32 < dongs> i see your replies
2015-09-18T14:57:35 < dongs> way too stoned
2015-09-18T14:57:35 < dongs> ok
2015-09-18T14:57:57 < dongs> Sync: angular position as in encoder and shit?
2015-09-18T14:58:15 < Sync> yep
2015-09-18T14:58:35 < Sync> it's either quadrature or 17bit absolute shit
2015-09-18T14:58:55 < Sync> for the latter I need one of the servos to dick around with
2015-09-18T14:59:34 < dongs> how do I get pinouts and shit for that kinda garbage
2015-09-18T14:59:42 < dongs> it all looks like fucking proprietary crap
2015-09-18T14:59:48 < dongs> those dumb connectors
2015-09-18T15:00:47 < Sync> those are honda connectors
2015-09-18T15:01:36 < dongs> those look like D-Terminal jap trash
2015-09-18T15:01:36 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Terminal
2015-09-18T15:02:59 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx-CzVlcfzo
2015-09-18T15:03:21 < Sync> ah yeah could be
2015-09-18T15:05:42 < Laurenceb> lol what a mess
2015-09-18T15:06:16 < dongs> lol @those giant props
2015-09-18T15:06:34 < Sync> ah that reminds me
2015-09-18T15:06:46 < Laurenceb> wtf is the blakc thing?
2015-09-18T15:06:50 < Sync> can you source honda connector shit locally in .jp?
2015-09-18T15:07:03 < dongs> sync, what is it? link me to an actual thing
2015-09-18T15:07:10 < dongs> i googled honda connectors but I see shit like D-sub-like
2015-09-18T15:07:13 < Laurenceb> so confuse
2015-09-18T15:07:17 < Sync> http://www.htk-jp.com/product/index.php?m=categorySearch&category_id=2&lang_cd=2
2015-09-18T15:07:32 < dongs> hah
2015-09-18T15:07:36 < dongs> the whole company is called honda.
2015-09-18T15:07:42 < Laurenceb> so much random shit
2015-09-18T15:07:42 < dongs> but not car related i guess?
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2015-09-18T15:07:56 < Sync> idk
2015-09-18T15:08:05 < dongs> http://www.htk-jp.com/product/index.php?m=seriesOutline&ser_id=PCS&lang_cd=2
2015-09-18T15:08:06 < dongs> these?
2015-09-18T15:08:13 < Sync> ye
2015-09-18T15:08:23 < Sync> but that's not on the drive
2015-09-18T15:08:26 < Sync> I misremembered
2015-09-18T15:08:32 < Sync> but I need one of that series
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2015-09-18T15:10:11 < dongs> generally chip1stop will stock local trash
2015-09-18T15:10:17 < dongs> but i dont see them even listing those part numbers
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2015-09-18T15:11:41 < dongs> oh, jap site has how to buy
2015-09-18T15:11:49 < dongs> http://www.htkazshop.com/
2015-09-18T15:11:50 < dongs> here u go
2015-09-18T15:12:02 < dongs> you can just buy that trash directly from them
2015-09-18T15:12:05 < dongs> http://www.htkazshop.com/SHOP/174926/list.html
2015-09-18T15:13:03 < Sync> interesting
2015-09-18T15:13:06 < dongs> free local shipping for order over $50!
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2015-09-18T15:16:13 < Sync> but yeah
2015-09-18T15:16:27 < Sync> we should be able to drive those things
2015-09-18T15:17:43 < dongs>  don't think that this would be quite fair Pangrudy24 - supplying all of these guys with an extra battery equates to a significant financial outlay for TG - they'll be barely scraping a profit as it is (I would assume) until they go into full retail release mode, therefore I'd give them a break and be happy with what you're already getting :)
2015-09-18T15:17:59 < dongs> > $260 retail
2015-09-18T15:18:09 < dongs> > $30 of parts max
2015-09-18T15:18:12 < dongs> > barely scraping
2015-09-18T15:19:16 < Sync> it's not really only 30 dolans, but yeah
2015-09-18T15:19:28 < dongs> eh
2015-09-18T15:20:10 < Sync> the custom made case probably is spendy in low quantities
2015-09-18T15:22:22 < dongs> well, i heard they bought 15k of htem
2015-09-18T15:22:31 < dongs> or maybe 20
2015-09-18T15:23:13 < Sync> okay
2015-09-18T15:23:18 < Sync> then they are cheap
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2015-09-18T16:37:18 < Ecco> Hm, I have a weird bug in my matrix keypad
2015-09-18T16:37:23 < Ecco> all keys are working ok
2015-09-18T16:37:24 < Ecco> but one row
2015-09-18T16:37:30 < Ecco> that row gives inconsistent results
2015-09-18T16:37:39 < Ecco> I tested for shorts with a multimeter and couldn't find any
2015-09-18T16:40:15 < Fleck> maybe open not short?
2015-09-18T16:40:33 < scrts_w> does it include diodes?
2015-09-18T16:40:34 < Ecco> as in contact not made?
2015-09-18T16:40:36 < Ecco> no diode
2015-09-18T16:40:38 < scrts_w> or just a plain simple matrix?
2015-09-18T16:40:41 < Ecco> it's as simple as it gets
2015-09-18T16:40:42 < Ecco> simple matrix
2015-09-18T16:40:55 < scrts_w> maybe current goes through other row/column?
2015-09-18T16:40:57 < Ecco> outputs (rows) are open drain
2015-09-18T16:41:05 < Ecco> inputs are pull-up
2015-09-18T16:41:17 < Ecco> well, I'm not pressing any key
2015-09-18T16:41:23 < Ecco> any *other* key I mean
2015-09-18T16:43:10 < mtbg> what is your scanning frequency?
2015-09-18T16:43:34 < Ecco> well, pretty low
2015-09-18T16:43:40 < Ecco> I added a very long delay
2015-09-18T16:43:51 < Ecco> I's in the 100msec range at least
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2015-09-18T16:52:07 < dongs> http://www.schmalzhaus.com/UBW32/
2015-09-18T16:55:20 < Ecco> What happens on my keyboard, is that one row of keys acts as if it was another row
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2015-09-18T16:55:35 < Ecco> which would mean theres a short between the two rows, but clearly there isn't
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2015-09-18T17:01:27 < dongs> k
2015-09-18T17:01:28 < dongs> zanocam is done
2015-09-18T17:02:15 < jubatus> "but clearly there isn't" explain
2015-09-18T17:02:19 < Laurenceb> but do you have a "drone" for it to fit onto?
2015-09-18T17:02:48 < dongs> no it doesnt even go on a 'drone'
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2015-09-18T17:04:07 < Laurenceb> lul
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2015-09-18T17:16:45 < scrts_w> dongs: finished the pcb?
2015-09-18T17:17:50 < dongs> ya
2015-09-18T17:19:09 < dongs> basically same as few days ago pic i just finished routing DCMI D0..D7 shits
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2015-09-18T17:33:27 < dongs> hm
2015-09-18T17:33:35 < dongs> what are chances that a 64-key keyboard will be a 8x8 matrix
2015-09-18T17:34:33 < dongs> and: will it include a 3:8 decoder or would need to provide one
2015-09-18T17:34:35 < Sync> 0
2015-09-18T17:34:53 < dongs> sync, what would it be then
2015-09-18T17:37:19 < Sync> whatever crackinduced layout the designer used
2015-09-18T17:38:31 < englishman> dongs i dont see the altidongs link on fav site
2015-09-18T17:39:08 < dongs> need to move it over, doing some other junk atm
2015-09-18T17:39:28 < englishman> i mean on russianz
2015-09-18T17:40:02 < ReadError> rutraxer?
2015-09-18T17:40:05 < dongs> huh no idea
2015-09-18T17:40:08 < dongs> i am not a pir8
2015-09-18T17:40:28 < ReadError> you need to get the medicine englishman
2015-09-18T17:40:29 < englishman> legit russian altidongs
2015-09-18T17:40:35 < englishman> always take your medicine
2015-09-18T17:43:35 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?p=11801#p11801
2015-09-18T17:43:36 < dongs> haha
2015-09-18T17:43:52 < dongs> 'after a year'
2015-09-18T17:45:00 < Sync> dongle, is that you?
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2015-09-18T17:46:48 < dongs> which, the rated post?
2015-09-18T17:49:36 < Sync> ye
2015-09-18T17:50:06 < dongs> rite
2015-09-18T17:53:38 < scrts_w> dongs:btw, how much altium costed?
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2015-09-18T17:55:06 < dongs> ~7.5k
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2015-09-18T17:55:24 < scrts_w> ffs....
2015-09-18T17:55:48 < scrts_w> it's with all the available options?
2015-09-18T17:55:54 < scrts_w> and support for 1 year? :)
2015-09-18T17:56:21 < dongs> vault subscription trash.
2015-09-18T17:56:39 < dongs> which i dont evne need now thaT I figured out how to rape components from circuitmaker
2015-09-18T17:59:28 < scrts_w> that's a free altium stuff?
2015-09-18T18:02:30 < Ecco> that is
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2015-09-18T18:02:45 < dongs> http://www.wired.com/2015/09/new-qualcomm-tech-lead-ultimate-drone/ oh no, zano is FUCKED
2015-09-18T18:02:49 < dongs> so much for futureproofing
2015-09-18T18:03:48 < dongs> Along with the video and navigation tools on board, Qualcomm says the board.s processing mettle is strong enough to support automated obstacle-avoidance features.
2015-09-18T18:03:52 < dongs> lool
2015-09-18T18:03:52 < dongs> posting on forums
2015-09-18T18:05:37 < englishman> old
2015-09-18T18:07:39 < Laurenceb> grrr
2015-09-18T18:07:46 < Laurenceb> where do i search for LEDs ?
2015-09-18T18:08:06 < Laurenceb> I need 520nm, 0603, 120degree viewing angle, >700mcd
2015-09-18T18:08:16 < dongs> i've got leds
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2015-09-18T18:08:50 < dongs> i think those are on osdoge
2015-09-18T18:08:50 < Laurenceb> used to use KPT-1608ZGC-G but no stock
2015-09-18T18:09:29 < dongs> nigbright
2015-09-18T18:09:29 < scrts_w> qualcomm... stuff you will never be able to buy
2015-09-18T18:09:30 < scrts_w> :))
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2015-09-18T18:09:37 < dongs> scrts_w: no doubt
2015-09-18T18:09:54 < dongs> scrts_w: tho, you  acutally CAN buy a bunch of ~recent qualcomm socks in china
2015-09-18T18:10:02 < dongs> like, if you just wanna clone s omething its possible
2015-09-18T18:10:04 < scrts_w> in china?
2015-09-18T18:10:07 < dongs> ya
2015-09-18T18:10:09 < scrts_w> like the ones without crystal?
2015-09-18T18:10:11 < dongs> but good luck getting docs/etc
2015-09-18T18:10:12 < scrts_w> :))
2015-09-18T18:10:17 < scrts_w> yeah...
2015-09-18T18:10:20 < scrts_w> that's the thing
2015-09-18T18:10:27 < scrts_w> like buying broadcom and shit
2015-09-18T18:10:30 < dongs> qualcomm, broadcom, marvell
2015-09-18T18:10:31 < dongs> yes
2015-09-18T18:10:32 < dongs> lols.
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2015-09-18T18:16:01 < dongs> there was a proj here that customer specified a marvell part
2015-09-18T18:16:04 < dongs> few years ago or somethin
2015-09-18T18:16:09 < dongs> contacted those fucks
2015-09-18T18:16:16 < dongs> they were basically like "no, we're not interested"
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2015-09-18T18:18:43 < dongs> pal in taiwan makes settopboxes using broadcom shit
2015-09-18T18:18:55 < dongs> they only talk to you if you place an order for like 100k units of somethign
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2015-09-18T18:26:25 < Laurenceb> aha http://www.sunledusa.com/products/spec/XZM2DG53W-1.pdf
2015-09-18T18:28:04 < dongs> Laurenceb: everbright taiwan
2015-09-18T18:28:29 < Laurenceb> cool i'll search their site
2015-09-18T18:28:35 < dongs> eh, everlight
2015-09-18T18:28:37 < dongs> i awlays get confused
2015-09-18T18:28:52 < Laurenceb> brightness and wavelength needs to be right - its for a spectrometer
2015-09-18T18:30:01 < dongs> wait 700mcd out of 1608?
2015-09-18T18:30:21 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/19-217%2FGHC-YR1S2%2F3T/19-217%2FGHC-YR1S2%2F3T-ND/2691515 this is the trash I use i think
2015-09-18T18:32:41 < Laurenceb> out of 0603
2015-09-18T18:33:02 < ReadError> thats bright
2015-09-18T18:33:06 < Laurenceb> yup
2015-09-18T18:33:10 < dongs> 1608 = 0603 you newb
2015-09-18T18:33:16 < Laurenceb> lulk
2015-09-18T18:33:41 < Laurenceb> erm everbright make light fittings
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2015-09-18T18:35:05 < dongs> > everlight
2015-09-18T18:35:11 < dongs> i corrected.
2015-09-18T18:35:22 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/19-217%2FGHC-YR1S2%2F3T/19-217%2FGHC-YR1S2%2F3T-ND/2691515 < and linked to green shti i use
2015-09-18T18:35:34 < englishman> areny kingbright like 1200mcd
2015-09-18T18:35:42 < englishman> i use them as underglow on my 1993 honda civic
2015-09-18T18:35:50 < Laurenceb> lol
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2015-09-18T18:41:53 < Ecco> Guys, I really cannot figure out why this effing matrix keyboard doesn't work :(
2015-09-18T18:42:09 < Ecco> SO, I've this row that output key presses from that other row
2015-09-18T18:42:19 < Ecco> all the other rows/columns work just fine
2015-09-18T18:42:46 < Ecco> so naturally, I thought that the defective row was shorted to the row whose keys it outputs
2015-09-18T18:42:50 < Ecco> -> there is no short
2015-09-18T18:42:59 < Ecco> Now, my outputs are OD
2015-09-18T18:43:21 < Ecco> And when I measure an OD output with my multimeter, it keeps beeping
2015-09-18T18:43:29 < Ecco> when the output is floating
2015-09-18T18:43:43 < Ecco> and it shows something near 0V when the OD is pulled low
2015-09-18T18:43:57 < Ecco> so I think I can tell when a row is pulled down or floating
2015-09-18T18:44:32 < Ecco> thing is, the "defective" row is indeed also pulled down when the row whose keys it outputs is pulled down
2015-09-18T18:44:47 < Ecco> so that would look like a short, but when I unplug and test with an ohmmeter, there is no short
2015-09-18T18:45:33 < Ecco> I triple-checked the GPIO_ODR register, and yes, I'm only driving a single row low
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2015-09-18T18:54:34 < kakimir> russian zano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXWJrpA8FnE
2015-09-18T18:54:41 < kakimir> dongs:
2015-09-18T18:55:33 < dongs> old as fuck
2015-09-18T18:56:42 < ReadError> figured they could afford some better CGI work
2015-09-18T18:56:51 < ReadError> played games in 2004 that look better than that shit
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2015-09-18T18:57:57 < dongs> May be good for weight and manufacturing ease/cost but what does it do to zano's flight time if the battery is positioned off centre and zano has to work harder.
2015-09-18T18:58:01 < dongs> Are we all going to be disappointed?
2015-09-18T18:58:09 < dongs> you're all gonna be disappoointed allright, but its not gonna be due to offset batttery
2015-09-18T19:00:35 < Ecco> Meh ok crap
2015-09-18T19:00:43 < Ecco> My effing row is shorted to ground :(
2015-09-18T19:03:05 < dongs> haha
2015-09-18T19:03:07 < dongs> Sorry guys, had a bit of a work emergency come up and had to shoot across the country for a couple of days. I should hopefully be back home on Monday and will get a few more videos uploaded then.
2015-09-18T19:03:12 < dongs> So annoying, haven't even had a chance to try it out yet :(
2015-09-18T19:03:12 < dongs> the only guy wiht a zano on forum
2015-09-18T19:03:25 < kakimir> ReadError: as is photorealism was the main thing
2015-09-18T19:03:30 < kakimir> *if
2015-09-18T19:07:13 < aandrew> I thought zano was vapor
2015-09-18T19:11:03 < Ecco> Hmmm
2015-09-18T19:11:08 < Ecco> Ok apparently the error lies in the PCB
2015-09-18T19:11:14 < Ecco> I have a ground-fill on both planes
2015-09-18T19:11:34 < Ecco> and it looks like at some point the track and the ground-fill are connected
2015-09-18T19:11:42 < Ecco> PCB was made at OSHPark
2015-09-18T19:12:11 < Ecco> What's stupid is that I actually didn't need the ground plane to be that close to the tracks
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2015-09-18T19:12:53 < Ecco> I'm goign to try and fix this with a razor
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2015-09-18T19:14:35 < BrainDamage> that's what he said, before getting arrested for murder
2015-09-18T19:15:22 < Laurenceb> http://d3u5xmnnxiuz0w.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/serial_killer_art_18.jpg
2015-09-18T19:18:52 < Ecco> ok, that fixed it
2015-09-18T19:18:57 < Ecco> ok, so bad point for OSHPark
2015-09-18T19:19:03 < Ecco> I'll fix my PCB though
2015-09-18T19:19:11 < dongs> oshfuck fucked up?
2015-09-18T19:19:15 < Ecco> well
2015-09-18T19:19:17 < dongs> shock and horrors
2015-09-18T19:19:21 < Ecco> yeah they did
2015-09-18T19:19:32 < Ecco> I don't know how big of a fuckup that is
2015-09-18T19:19:39 < Ecco> but they did ground a track
2015-09-18T19:19:51 < Ecco> by bridging it to ground plane nearby
2015-09-18T19:20:14 < Ecco> (and wasted an afternoon for me, because I really thought I was doing things wrong in software)
2015-09-18T19:21:50 < Ecco> Note that out of the 3 PCBs I ordered
2015-09-18T19:21:57 < Ecco> only one seems affected by that given issue
2015-09-18T19:22:05 < BrainDamage> how much e test coverage do they provide?
2015-09-18T19:22:10 < Ecco> I have no idea
2015-09-18T19:22:15 < Ecco> I don't even know what that means
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2015-09-18T19:27:30 < Getty> I just realized how brutal a groundhog day would be a for a software developer..... every loop you lose all your commits ......
2015-09-18T19:27:44 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-18T19:28:03 < Ecco> Well, that did indeed seemed brutal to me anyway
2015-09-18T19:28:06 < Ecco> (/me comes from the SE world)
2015-09-18T19:28:24 < Ecco> Question: how do I tell Altium to space out my polygon fill?
2015-09-18T19:28:25 < Getty> i mean, think about, you cant really get forward if you cant save a state
2015-09-18T19:28:34 < Getty> on software development
2015-09-18T19:28:41 < Getty> you cant like "preplan" the thing in detail in your head
2015-09-18T19:28:48 < Ecco> Does it infer the spacing from the design rules?
2015-09-18T19:28:49 < Getty> and then just woop it out when needed
2015-09-18T19:29:48 < Ecco> Oh NVM, found it
2015-09-18T19:29:52 < Ecco> (it's in the polygon manager)
2015-09-18T19:30:30 < BrainDamage> Ecco: e-test is board layout testing, they connect probes to the pcb and check that the implementation matches the design
2015-09-18T19:30:43 < Ecco> Can they do that only with Gerber files?
2015-09-18T19:30:56 < Ecco> Wouldn't then need the schematics info?
2015-09-18T19:30:56 < BrainDamage> sure, why not?
2015-09-18T19:31:10 < Ecco> Well, I guess you can rebuild it from the Gerber
2015-09-18T19:31:18 < Ecco> (my understanding is that gerbers == vector image)
2015-09-18T19:31:48 < Ecco> Another question : why does Altium do this : http://i.imgur.com/s93MTf1.png ? I mean, why bother with the "1 GND" pad? Why not fuse it completly in the polygon fill?
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2015-09-18T19:47:44 < aandrew> Ecco: you want thermals
2015-09-18T19:48:00 < aandrew> Ecco: you can tell it not to make thermals with the polygon properties, but you want them
2015-09-18T19:48:46 < aandrew> the problem with large copper pours is that they're a bitch to reflow properly. That owuld be a prime target for that component to "tombstone" (stand up on its end) if the GND were not connected to the plane with a thermal
2015-09-18T19:49:08 < aandrew> the thermal gives a good solid ground connection but helps limit the polygon's ability to suck the heat out of the pad
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2015-09-18T19:53:13 < Ecco> oooooh
2015-09-18T19:53:34 < Ecco> Very smart :)
2015-09-18T19:53:37 < Ecco> I understand, thanks
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2015-09-18T21:05:24 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKc1A1SUJObU9LZms/view?usp=sharing 4days from zero to this
2015-09-18T21:05:56 < kakimir> nothing but gnd vias and track widths anymore
2015-09-18T21:07:14 < Fleck> you are doing good work kakimir!
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2015-09-18T21:07:55 < kakimir> too little too late I think
2015-09-18T21:08:19 < kakimir> but maybe just enought
2015-09-18T21:11:21 < Steffanx> you need more SMAs
2015-09-18T21:13:46 < kakimir> I did some inputs and outputs with standart 2.54mm strips
2015-09-18T21:14:42 < kakimir> like mode seletions error outputs
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2015-09-18T23:03:18 < Steffanx> Luokkakokous must see movie kakimir?
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2015-09-18T23:06:36 < kakimir> I bet not
2015-09-18T23:08:27 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_Odyssey try this
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2015-09-18T23:11:18 < Laurenceb_> After a man called Janne living in Lapland in Northern Finland fails to acquire a digital television adapter for his wife
2015-09-18T23:11:20 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2015-09-18T23:12:05 < kakimir> so original
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2015-09-19T00:49:24 < kakimir> entertainment streaming is worse than cancer
2015-09-19T00:50:07 < kakimir> can't just stop that series marathon
2015-09-19T01:00:31 < englishman> Heh I think I'll watch that
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2015-09-19T01:30:30 < Bundestrojaner> good evening
2015-09-19T01:31:49 < Bundestrojaner> Are there any tricks to get a phototransistor (Vishay TEMT1020) fast (~40KHz rect) (sry for OT)
2015-09-19T01:33:28 < Bundestrojaner> it can't pull a low pullup-R down and with a high pullup, it gets slow
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2015-09-19T01:35:02 < zyp> more light?
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2015-09-19T01:36:11 < zyp> other than that, I can't imagine anything but reducing the impedance on whatever signal you're driving
2015-09-19T01:36:31 < zyp> capacitance, I mean
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2015-09-19T01:44:01 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: the only "load" is atm my dso but later an input-pin of stm32
2015-09-19T01:45:16 < upgrdman> ya... you need a stronger phototransistor, or a super-low-input-cap buffer right after it.
2015-09-19T01:46:11 < Bundestrojaner> does it make sens to take 2 phototransistors parallel?
2015-09-19T01:47:36 < zyp> what's your application anyway? what's the light source?
2015-09-19T01:48:58 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: the light source is an IR-LED.
2015-09-19T01:48:58 < Bundestrojaner> my application is a "milestone" for model vehicles
2015-09-19T01:49:31 < zyp> as far as I can tell from the datasheet, 40kHz should be within what's possible for that phototransistor, provided it gets enough light
2015-09-19T01:49:56 < zyp> which pullup values have you tested with?
2015-09-19T01:50:41 < Bundestrojaner> 220, 680, 1K, 2K2
2015-09-19T01:51:23 < Bundestrojaner> 680 works if the transistor is exactly over the led
2015-09-19T01:51:53 < zyp> oh, and which voltage are you pulling to?
2015-09-19T01:52:15 < Bundestrojaner> it can't pull down 220 (even over the led) and >=1K is too slow
2015-09-19T01:52:21 < Bundestrojaner> the pullup is on 5V
2015-09-19T01:52:34 < zyp> yeah, that sounds fair
2015-09-19T01:52:41 < Bundestrojaner> i guess i need <=1,6V for the STM to read low?
2015-09-19T01:53:12 < kakimir> can you do trace impendance matching by trace width transition?
2015-09-19T01:54:00 < zyp> Bundestrojaner, idk, you can/should use some sort of comparator if you need accurate control of that
2015-09-19T01:54:45 < Bundestrojaner> kakimir: what do you mean with impendance matching?
2015-09-19T01:54:58 < Bundestrojaner> what would happen if i use 2 of them in parallel?
2015-09-19T01:55:01 < zyp> but it sounds like it's simply not getting enough light
2015-09-19T01:55:50 < zyp> two in parallel might help
2015-09-19T01:56:09 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: i think the problem is the small distance between diode and transistor
2015-09-19T01:56:15 < kakimir> if I need 2point something millimeter trace to get 50ohm trace in 1point something millimeter board and I don't want to trace that 2point something trace around the board
2015-09-19T01:56:53 < kakimir> but thin it down
2015-09-19T01:56:59 < zyp> kakimir, use a four layer board
2015-09-19T01:57:02 < kakimir> is it okay with transition
2015-09-19T01:57:11 < kakimir> money zyp money
2015-09-19T01:57:25 < zyp> a typical four layer stackup will give you a ground plane under a thin prepreg, which will decrease the trace width for a given impedance
2015-09-19T01:58:31 < kakimir> I'm just trying the get the best out of this 2layer
2015-09-19T01:59:07 < kakimir> if there is application where impendance is priority then it's 4layer
2015-09-19T01:59:11 < zyp> Bundestrojaner, I'd just look for a phototransistor with a higher gain, i.e. more drive current for a given irradiance
2015-09-19T01:59:12 < kakimir> but not this time
2015-09-19T01:59:25 < zyp> Bundestrojaner, perhaps some sort of darlington construction
2015-09-19T02:00:07 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: you mean driving a bc548 with a photo transistor?
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2015-09-19T02:01:00 < zyp> oh, yeah, you can make the darlington construction yourself
2015-09-19T02:01:32 < zyp> I was thinking about finding one with it internally, but just adding another transistor should also help
2015-09-19T02:01:56 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: at first i'll try 2 in parallel
2015-09-19T02:02:16 < Bundestrojaner> would improve the positioning problem too
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2015-09-19T02:02:44 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: thx for help :)
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2015-09-19T02:06:14 < kakimir> if I do this trace width thing in application where impendance is not priority do I get away with it?
2015-09-19T02:06:24 < kakimir> *width transition
2015-09-19T02:06:41 < zyp> kakimir, what do you mean by width transition anyway?
2015-09-19T02:07:51 < kakimir> triangle type of thing
2015-09-19T02:09:13 < kakimir> from 2.Xmm to 0.Xmm
2015-09-19T02:11:34 < zyp> so what you're really saying is that you don't want to make a 50ohm impedance trace, because it would be too wide
2015-09-19T02:11:40 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-19T02:11:46 < kakimir> fukin huge
2015-09-19T02:12:01 < kakimir> and many of those
2015-09-19T02:12:12 < kakimir> and parts are smaller than trace
2015-09-19T02:12:52 < zyp> well, then you either have to do an impedance matching network to connect it to the 50ohm line or live with the effects of an impedance mismatch
2015-09-19T02:13:15 < zyp> what's the signal anyway? what connects to each end of this trace?
2015-09-19T02:15:00 < kakimir> there is
2015-09-19T02:16:04 < kakimir> sma in the other end and half bridge driver input in the other
2015-09-19T02:16:10 < kakimir> 8)
2015-09-19T02:16:35 < kakimir> don't say what you want to say
2015-09-19T02:16:48 < zyp> is this half bridge driver even a 50ohm impedance output?
2015-09-19T02:17:23 < kakimir> input
2015-09-19T02:17:31 < zyp> oh, input
2015-09-19T02:17:35 < zyp> well, is it 50ohm?
2015-09-19T02:17:55 < zyp> or are you just putting SMA on everything for show?
2015-09-19T02:19:26 < kakimir> there isn't really any reason not to
2015-09-19T02:20:34 < kakimir> I use em until I get bored
2015-09-19T02:20:37 < kakimir> then another thing
2015-09-19T02:20:43 < zyp> ok, then I'd suggest putting some sort of input buffer close to the sma, with a 50-ohm matched input
2015-09-19T02:21:19 < zyp> so the transmission line gets properly terminated and doesn't get reflections going back into the cable
2015-09-19T02:21:32 < zyp> then just run whatever width across the board
2015-09-19T02:22:28 < kakimir> yes that is obivious solution
2015-09-19T02:22:49 < zyp> or if you're only ever going to use it with short cable then fuck impedance matching at all
2015-09-19T02:22:57 < kakimir> but I want it to cost around 0<monetary unit>
2015-09-19T02:23:21 < kakimir> 20cm cable
2015-09-19T02:23:40 < zyp> heh
2015-09-19T02:25:08 < kakimir> there isn't reflection problems I guess
2015-09-19T02:25:18 < kakimir> as there is driver series resistor too
2015-09-19T02:25:23 < kakimir> ?
2015-09-19T02:27:05 < zyp> at 20cm the signal takes around a nanosecond to transition the cable, it'll hardly matter much
2015-09-19T02:29:01 < zyp> you'll get some ringing at the transitions, but it shouldn't matter much for the signal itself
2015-09-19T02:29:07 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-19T02:31:14 < Laurenceb_> hahah owned
2015-09-19T02:31:16 < Laurenceb_> http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/
2015-09-19T02:33:36 < kakimir> zyp: but if I stick to getting it right in principle
2015-09-19T02:35:15 < kakimir> if there is actual need for it some day
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2015-09-19T02:45:31 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/yrUlVXs.jpg
2015-09-19T02:46:44 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/hCu5vfB.gifv
2015-09-19T02:48:13 < kakimir> does line width linear transition give back reflection that is elongated but same time faded in amplitude in same ratio?
2015-09-19T02:49:04 < kakimir> zyp?
2015-09-19T02:49:39 < zyp> idk
2015-09-19T02:49:47 < kakimir> I know
2015-09-19T02:50:00 < kakimir> it must be so
2015-09-19T02:58:06 < kakimir> getting that reflection spike down under logic level is just what is needed
2015-09-19T03:01:56 < kakimir> not ideal but what is enough
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2015-09-19T03:08:07 < Laurenceb_> lol the comments are even funnier
2015-09-19T03:08:21 < Laurenceb_> the exact same hardware has been used in bombs
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2015-09-19T03:10:20 < icee> he shoulda been reprimanded for .. shoddy AC transformer, no strain relief, etc
2015-09-19T03:10:28 < icee> that thign doesn't belong at school because it's gonna shock the shit out of someone
2015-09-19T03:10:31 < icee> not because it's a bomb :P
2015-09-19T03:13:24 < kakimir> maybe it was about to be?
2015-09-19T03:14:09 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-09-19T03:14:45 < kakimir> is it morgon in dongsville?
2015-09-19T03:15:04 < upgrdman> 9:15am in .jp
2015-09-19T03:18:35 < kakimir> should get wall clock for jp time
2015-09-19T03:18:54 < kakimir> have caption under it
2015-09-19T03:19:14 < kakimir> "dongs"
2015-09-19T03:21:28 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbGMyWldxX2laZ2M/view?usp=sharing
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2015-09-19T03:26:41 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: i have now 2 parallel temt1020, it works nice with 470Ohm
2015-09-19T03:27:08 < Bundestrojaner> but i guess the better position makes the difference
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2015-09-19T04:05:03 < upgrdman> hmm. the heat pattern that my oscope makes on my wall looks kinda neat.  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/thermal_image_oscope.jpg
2015-09-19T04:05:47 < upgrdman> its like a starburst
2015-09-19T04:06:24 < kakimir> expensive room heater
2015-09-19T04:09:24 < upgrdman> also, the zener i put acorss my gate driver boost cap gets HOT. lol. like 200F in 30 seconds
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2015-09-19T04:23:12 < dongs> kikecading like a pro
2015-09-19T04:23:31 < dongs> upgrdman: wtf is taht riglol?
2015-09-19T04:23:36 < dongs> does it heat that much!? 95C wtf
2015-09-19T04:23:39 < dongs> oh 95F
2015-09-19T04:23:42 < dongs> shitty 'murican units
2015-09-19T04:23:45 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-19T04:23:55 < upgrdman> and ya, rigol ds4014
2015-09-19T04:26:21 < dongs> http://gutomaia.net/pyNES/ ...
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2015-09-19T04:32:48 < upgrdman> hmm. maybe i can replace this zener with a FET + voltage divider so get better hi freq performance
2015-09-19T04:49:24 < kakimir> fet + shunt regulator?
2015-09-19T04:49:44 < upgrdman> ?
2015-09-19T04:50:25 < kakimir> as zener replacement
2015-09-19T04:50:40 < kakimir> does it work that way
2015-09-19T04:51:49 < upgrdman> well im using a zener to keep my high-side gate driver's boost voltage from going too high. my application has the fet source going NEGATIVE, not just to ground, so the boost voltage can easily exceed 20V which will pop the gate
2015-09-19T04:59:53 < kakimir> google shunt regulator circuit
2015-09-19T05:00:35 < kakimir> there may be something working for your applications
2015-09-19T05:06:09 < upgrdman> lol http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-19/vw-clean-diesel-scheme-exposed-as-u-s-weighs-criminal-charges
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2015-09-19T05:07:03 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: you will find the same with FCC an CE certification.
2015-09-19T05:07:20 < upgrdman> :)
2015-09-19T05:08:22 < kakimir> murican car industry doing their thing
2015-09-19T05:09:23 < Roklobsta> ze germans tried to pull ze woll over das eier.
2015-09-19T05:10:14 < kakimir> since when muracans have had polution laws?
2015-09-19T05:13:12 < kakimir> that actually sounds plausible
2015-09-19T05:14:02 < kakimir> you can cut down fuel consumption dramatically if you let it burn hotter and create more NOx stuff
2015-09-19T05:15:43 < kakimir> put some algoritm in it to detect normal road use and you have car that consumes 20% less
2015-09-19T05:17:45 < upgrdman> nice ac plug   http://imgur.com/2FjLaDz
2015-09-19T05:19:40 < Roklobsta> cooked
2015-09-19T05:19:47 < Roklobsta> what country is it?
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2015-09-19T05:23:34 < dongs> that looks china
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2015-09-19T05:24:13 < upgrdman> usa
2015-09-19T05:24:29 < upgrdman> 240v stuff uses it sometimes
2015-09-19T05:24:41 < upgrdman> high power stuff, like some cloths dryers, etc.
2015-09-19T05:24:44 < dongs> thats what my chinaoven 200V oplug looks like
2015-09-19T05:24:45 < kakimir> kind of australia/china but earth pin is weird
2015-09-19T05:25:11 < upgrdman> from here  https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/3lgyag/this_is_why_i_never_trust_the_previous_tech/
2015-09-19T05:26:11 < upgrdman> it's a NEMA 10-30. rated for 240V 30A.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector#/media/File:NEMA_simplified_pins.svg
2015-09-19T05:26:46 < upgrdman> and hmm, welder makes more sense.
2015-09-19T05:27:30 < kakimir> what is main voltage in states is just a phase voltage here
2015-09-19T05:27:40 < kakimir> I wonder how serious tools are powered
2015-09-19T05:27:41 < upgrdman> 120V, but it's split phase
2015-09-19T05:28:00 < upgrdman> usa is 240V with center tap. most circuits are center tap + one "leg"
2015-09-19T05:28:02 < upgrdman> so 120V
2015-09-19T05:28:25 < upgrdman> kakimir, anything >1.5kW is ~always 240V
2015-09-19T05:28:37 < upgrdman> electric stove/oven, washer, dryer, big air conditioner, etc.
2015-09-19T05:29:02 < kakimir> how about 5kw workshop tools
2015-09-19T05:29:11 < kakimir> or more
2015-09-19T05:29:16 < upgrdman> i was kinda amused to find out that my 240V stove/oven uses WIRE NUTS instead of a plug.
2015-09-19T05:29:25 < upgrdman> kakimir, 240V
2015-09-19T05:30:11 < upgrdman> 240V 50A is the biggest i've seen, which would be 12kW
2015-09-19T05:31:10 < kakimir> and all phases of course?
2015-09-19T05:31:17 < kakimir> 3 phases*
2015-09-19T05:31:48 < upgrdman> not in residental. but for commercial/industrial, sure. and prolly offer >240V too
2015-09-19T05:31:52 < kakimir> oh only 2 in typical households
2015-09-19T05:32:04 < upgrdman> no. single phase for households
2015-09-19T05:32:18 < upgrdman> single phase, split. not two phases.
2015-09-19T05:33:17 < kakimir> we have 3phases for apartments
2015-09-19T05:33:26 < kakimir> 400V main voltages
2015-09-19T05:33:36 < kakimir> 230V phase voltages
2015-09-19T05:34:05 < kakimir> nowdays even flats have such because stoves and saunas
2015-09-19T05:34:51 < upgrdman> nice  http://imgur.com/6Kkt66c
2015-09-19T05:35:48 < ds2> where are you, kakimir?
2015-09-19T05:37:16 < kakimir> finn
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2015-09-19T05:37:48 < kakimir> but I bet it's same for all from germany to north east
2015-09-19T05:40:37 < kakimir> as are german plugs used
2015-09-19T05:40:40 < kakimir> too
2015-09-19T05:42:23 < kakimir> all way to russia
2015-09-19T05:43:02 < kakimir> when you go south from germany plugs start to change
2015-09-19T05:44:23 < kakimir> http://www.whatplug.net/Images/Italian%20Plug%20type%20adaptor.jpg
2015-09-19T05:44:47 < ds2> 3ph would be so nice to have
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2015-09-19T05:48:36 < kakimir> fun thing about that italian socket is that you are about to charge your phone in the evening in your hotel room and try to plug charger and connector pitch doesn't match
2015-09-19T05:50:46 < kakimir> get adapter from reseption for 20eur
2015-09-19T05:53:05 < kakimir> are those holes in us plug really for connecting device with bare wires?
2015-09-19T05:53:21 < kakimir> in those flat pins
2015-09-19T05:54:11 < kakimir> just looked at socket and it seems to be for spring loading
2015-09-19T05:54:18 < kakimir> it into place
2015-09-19T06:02:35 < kakimir> oh wait that italian socket had too small holes for schuko
2015-09-19T06:05:45 < kakimir> for a laptop
2015-09-19T06:18:52 < upgrdman> kakimir, what about the holes in us plugs?
2015-09-19T06:18:59 < upgrdman> they're not for wires.
2015-09-19T06:19:15 < upgrdman> they're so little bulges in the receptable can key into the holes and securely hold the plug
2015-09-19T06:19:32 < upgrdman> e.g. so your heavy wall wart doesnt fall out easily
2015-09-19T06:24:17 < dongs> eh?
2015-09-19T06:24:29 < dongs> oh you mean the hoels in flat plug?
2015-09-19T06:24:34 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-19T06:24:45 < dongs> yea i always thought those were for threading wire  through it
2015-09-19T06:24:48 < dongs> when making a plug adapter
2015-09-19T06:24:54 < dongs> those dumb round plugs piss me off cuz y ou cant do that
2015-09-19T06:24:57 < dongs> when making adapter to a flat american plug
2015-09-19T06:25:11 < kakimir> freedom people can choose if have socket or connect directly
2015-09-19T06:25:17 < dongs> ya
2015-09-19T06:28:00 < upgrdman> dongs, i was serious. those holes are for better retention.
2015-09-19T06:28:50 < upgrdman> sad thing is many sockets dont have the bumps anymore, since it take a bit more effect to shape contacts instead of just bending them.
2015-09-19T06:29:13 < upgrdman> although, with transformer wall warts a thing of the past, you don't really need them anyway
2015-09-19T06:33:39 < dongs> ya i dont doubt it
2015-09-19T06:34:00  * emeb having fun converting F7 StdPeriph to HAL
2015-09-19T06:34:09 < dongs> why would you do that
2015-09-19T06:35:08 < emeb> because there is no StdPeriph for F7 - only HAL
2015-09-19T06:35:25 < emeb> so I take my old F4 StdPeriph code and migrate to HAL on F7
2015-09-19T06:35:53 < dongs> i would have imagined it would be easier to take what useful bits of F7 hal and fix them into stderpiph.
2015-09-19T06:36:17 < emeb> It's a bastard half-breed
2015-09-19T06:36:42 < emeb> HAL is a lot higher-level code and does a lot of things I'd rather do for myself
2015-09-19T06:36:49 < emeb> so I end up bypassing a lot of it.
2015-09-19T06:37:04 < upgrdman> dongs, you ever buy NiMH batteries from hobbyking?
2015-09-19T06:37:17 < dongs> i bought uh..
2015-09-19T06:37:19 < emeb> Got the SAI working with DMA, but I had to do a lot of it with direct register writes
2015-09-19T06:37:20 < dongs> those LSD t hings
2015-09-19T06:37:48 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25023__Turnigy_Rechargeable_Battery_AA_2400mAh_NiMH.html
2015-09-19T06:38:21 < dongs> never got car packs or etc in nimh.
2015-09-19T06:40:11 < kakimir> for what?
2015-09-19T06:40:19 < dongs> wii remotes
2015-09-19T06:51:47 < dongs> ReadError: beep
2015-09-19T06:51:57 < dongs> o right you're in the FAGGOT STATE
2015-09-19T06:51:58 < dongs> god damn
2015-09-19T06:52:15 < dongs> who here in usa doesnt pay sales tax @ digieky
2015-09-19T06:52:20 < dongs> i need paypal wash halp
2015-09-19T06:52:41 < kakimir> wash money?
2015-09-19T06:52:54 < kakimir> okay!
2015-09-19T06:53:01 < dongs> youre not even in usa
2015-09-19T06:53:11 < dongs> foreign fucks need not apply
2015-09-19T06:53:47 < kakimir> you rude
2015-09-19T06:53:50 < dongs> ^_-
2015-09-19T06:56:16 < dongs> shit its midnight in shitty american places.
2015-09-19T06:56:58 < kakimir> :D
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2015-09-19T06:59:05 < dongs> k upgarded to altidong 15.1.15
2015-09-19T06:59:49 < ReadError> I cant until the russians make the medicine
2015-09-19T07:00:09 < dongs> sux 4 u
2015-09-19T07:00:14 < dongs> ReadError: beep
2015-09-19T07:00:22 < dongs> can you buy some trash at digikey 4 me
2015-09-19T07:00:26 < dongs> ~$2k
2015-09-19T07:00:37 < dongs> will paypal
2015-09-19T07:00:49 < dongs> only if no sales tax tho
2015-09-19T07:00:53 < dongs> or else its not worth it
2015-09-19T07:00:56 < ReadError> i got sales tax from digikey
2015-09-19T07:01:06 < ReadError> which doesnt make sense
2015-09-19T07:01:08 < dongs> wtf assholes
2015-09-19T07:01:50 < ReadError> why not make a mouser account for ur alaska address
2015-09-19T07:01:57 < ReadError> then you can paydongs them direct
2015-09-19T07:02:03 < dongs> mouser doesnt do shitpal
2015-09-19T07:02:08 < ReadError> ya they do
2015-09-19T07:02:14 < ReadError> tis the only way I pay them
2015-09-19T07:02:52 < dongs> no mention of paypal anywhere on their site
2015-09-19T07:02:54 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/helppage/#terms
2015-09-19T07:03:50 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/igWTPjU.png
2015-09-19T07:04:08 < dongs> wtfook
2015-09-19T07:04:10 < kakimir> how does taxing work in us? if you order from another state you don't need to pay taxes?
2015-09-19T07:04:31 < ReadError> kakimir well digikey has 'representives' in like, every state
2015-09-19T07:04:37 < ReadError> so they have to tax
2015-09-19T07:04:50 < dongs> k trying
2015-09-19T07:04:56 < ReadError> but if a company doesnt have any office or people in your state you dont
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2015-09-19T07:06:40 < kakimir> your taxing is weird guys.. in eu you pay VAT to country you buy from no matter what when you are shopping as a private person
2015-09-19T07:07:35 < dongs> llol $60 shipping to alaska
2015-09-19T07:07:36 < dongs> fucksake
2015-09-19T07:07:42 < ReadError> what
2015-09-19T07:07:46 < ReadError> no its like 6.99 flat
2015-09-19T07:07:58 < dongs> Please select one of the following:
2015-09-19T07:07:58 < dongs>   
2015-09-19T07:07:58 < dongs>  	
2015-09-19T07:07:58 < dongs> UPS
2015-09-19T07:08:00 < dongs> UPS 2nd Day	
2015-09-19T07:08:02 < kakimir> dongs alaska cabin?
2015-09-19T07:08:03 < dongs> $60.00
2015-09-19T07:08:05 < dongs> 	UPS Next Day	$130.00
2015-09-19T07:08:08 < dongs> fedex is 60 too
2015-09-19T07:08:13 < ReadError> no USPS?
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2015-09-19T07:08:27 < kakimir> you have some special items in it?
2015-09-19T07:08:35 < dongs> Sales Tax (where applicable) is charged on PayPal orders, unless you already have a tax certificate on file with Mouser.
2015-09-19T07:08:38 < dongs> Sales Tax will be shown on PayPal during payment setup.
2015-09-19T07:08:38 < dongs> ReadError: nope
2015-09-19T07:08:41 < dongs> Business customers with an existing certificate can select non-taxable on Order Review.
2015-09-19T07:08:48 < dongs> im gonna guess it will not work
2015-09-19T07:08:51 < ReadError> no UPS ground?
2015-09-19T07:08:51 < dongs> cuz its not usa gaypal accoun
2015-09-19T07:09:32 < dongs> lolz i think it worked
2015-09-19T07:10:11 < ReadError> i doubt they care too much
2015-09-19T07:10:20 < dongs> You sent a payment of $1,978.80 USD to Mouser Electronics, Inc.
2015-09-19T07:10:25 < dongs> ReadError: i duno man
2015-09-19T07:10:29 < dongs> i ordered some shit from Target
2015-09-19T07:10:32 < dongs> with my fauxusa paypal
2015-09-19T07:10:40 < dongs> they fucking flagged my shit until it went out of stock
2015-09-19T07:10:50 < dongs> came up wiht dumb excuses why tehy wouldnt ship me shit
2015-09-19T07:10:53 < dongs> and it was liek a $30 thing
2015-09-19T07:11:05 < dongs> then I had it reordered from alasak directly and it took ONE FUCKING MONTH TO ARRIVE
2015-09-19T07:11:13 < dongs> they sentit by some UPS innovations shit
2015-09-19T07:11:26 < dongs> it literally spent like 3 weeks going from seatttle to anchorage
2015-09-19T07:11:37 < kakimir> what is this shit you doing dongs?
2015-09-19T07:11:49 < kakimir> why not just check out normaly
2015-09-19T07:12:02 < dongs> kakimir: what is 'normally'
2015-09-19T07:12:31 < ReadError> oh ya that UPS Is complete shit
2015-09-19T07:12:41 < kakimir> "place order" and in 4days packet is received
2015-09-19T07:12:49 < dongs> kakimir: then i'd have to actually pay $2k
2015-09-19T07:12:53 < dongs> + tax
2015-09-19T07:12:58 < dongs> + ???
2015-09-19T07:12:58 < ReadError> kakimir paypal
2015-09-19T07:13:32 < ReadError> dongs why not make another paypal w/ alaska shit
2015-09-19T07:14:33 < dongs> cant
2015-09-19T07:14:35 < dongs> i did make a couple
2015-09-19T07:14:37 < dongs> too fake
2015-09-19T07:14:57 < dongs> plus it still costs fees to transfer between them
2015-09-19T07:15:12 < dongs> i shitpal to ak account even if it was legit i'd still lose $80 in fees
2015-09-19T07:15:33 < kakimir> is that 2k shit for personal or business?
2015-09-19T07:15:35 < ReadError> hmm I thought they have the send friends & family thing
2015-09-19T07:15:47 < ReadError> and if you have the $$ in the account it doesnt charge
2015-09-19T07:16:00 < dongs> ReadError: none of that applies to jp
2015-09-19T07:16:11 < dongs> you can't even send money from jp paypal unless its payment for good
2015-09-19T07:16:14 < dongs> goods
2015-09-19T07:16:22 < dongs> i.e. no 'friends' payments and no just 'pay for sucking dick' type thing.
2015-09-19T07:16:28 < dongs> it always requires a shipign address
2015-09-19T07:17:21 < ReadError> well if you established a DongEnterprise account in AK just make people start paying you there
2015-09-19T07:17:34 < ReadError> then you can get a debitcard and shit
2015-09-19T07:18:22 < kakimir> you are trying to avoid .jp to collect vat?
2015-09-19T07:19:00 < ReadError> jp paypal is gimp
2015-09-19T07:19:09 < ReadError> USA paypal you can get debit card
2015-09-19T07:19:22 < ReadError> go get money from ATM etc, use card at digikey, ariexpress
2015-09-19T07:19:48 < kakimir> I have my finn debit card connected to my paypal
2015-09-19T07:19:57 < ReadError> no this is a paypal debit card
2015-09-19T07:20:09 < kakimir> paypal debit card :o
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2015-09-19T07:20:12 < ReadError> you can go use it at an ATM
2015-09-19T07:20:19 < ReadError> and it pulls $$ out of paypal balance
2015-09-19T07:24:23 < kakimir> shady internet money out of wall.. trying to figure if there is issues with it
2015-09-19T07:24:42 < ReadError> nah it works
2015-09-19T07:24:51 < ReadError> if you use the card at a not-atm
2015-09-19T07:24:56 < ReadError> they actually give you money back
2015-09-19T07:25:05 < kakimir> good thing in states is that money is money
2015-09-19T07:26:41 < kakimir> here they are haunting little man.. it's not money if you don't have proof where you got it
2015-09-19T07:27:28 < kakimir> big boys can and will pass
2015-09-19T07:28:13 < ReadError> www.twitch.tv/l0de the l0de radio hour is now online, call in live at 415-349-5666 YOU HAVE ONLY ONE HOUR
2015-09-19T07:28:47 < kakimir> banks just collected main figures of their customers economies
2015-09-19T07:37:33 < kakimir> when you take paper money to bank you need to fill papers explaining orgin of money
2015-09-19T07:38:26 < kakimir> if you fail to money can be confiscated
2015-09-19T07:38:42 < ReadError> stripper?
2015-09-19T07:38:51 < ReadError> sellin HJs
2015-09-19T07:39:16 < kakimir> okay.. did you pay taxes? if not - money will be confiscated
2015-09-19T07:41:08 < kakimir> ReadError: when you sell HJs you need to pay taxes
2015-09-19T07:43:38 < ReadError> where do you live?
2015-09-19T07:45:37 < kakimir> still finn
2015-09-19T07:55:15 < dongs> < kakimir> shady internet money out of wall
2015-09-19T07:55:17 < dongs> loll
2015-09-19T07:55:21 < dongs> almost sounds like buttcoin
2015-09-19T07:56:34 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-19T07:57:27 < dongs> upgrdman: http://i.imgur.com/LhSkjhk.gifv
2015-09-19T07:57:35 < kakimir> there is buttcoin debit card
2015-09-19T07:57:49 < upgrdman> *boop*
2015-09-19T08:01:53 < dongs> looks like a trash game
2015-09-19T08:02:19 < Roklobsta> R2COM: you're too old for games like that
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2015-09-19T08:28:21 < emeb_mac> R2COM: wet behind the ears
2015-09-19T08:28:28 < emeb_mac> permanoob
2015-09-19T08:42:11 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/K9L3xJX.webm
2015-09-19T08:42:16 < ReadError> typical JP stuff
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2015-09-19T09:06:37 < upgrdman> sweet. new 4 amp gate drivers can easily drive my FETs now
2015-09-19T09:07:01 < upgrdman> now i just need to work on reducing ground bounce. time to shorten those absurdly long wires
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2015-09-19T09:21:44 < upgrdman> not much. weather got a bit cooler. finally back into the 80s
2015-09-19T09:22:12 < upgrdman> i dont usually drink
2015-09-19T09:23:43 < upgrdman> dongs, R2COM: http://i.imgur.com/4N2T6eq.jpg
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2015-09-19T09:30:05 < Roklobsta> or Greek.
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2015-09-19T09:47:54 < PeterM> [13:36] <upgrdman> dongs, you ever buy NiMH batteries from hobbyking? - ive used the oes dongs posted and their car packs and their individual sub-cs to repair drill batteries, their aas and aaas i'd reccommend over eneloops, and their car packs are as good as any other nimh packs
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2015-09-19T09:57:16 < Roklobsta> my first evar STM question.  How much does can an I/O pin sink?
2015-09-19T10:06:50 < sadara> not as much as the datasheet says
2015-09-19T10:07:13 < sadara> 10ma in the L0 parts
2015-09-19T10:07:21 < sadara> which CPU are you using
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2015-09-19T10:11:49 < Roklobsta> STM32L152RBT6
2015-09-19T10:11:55 < Roklobsta> the same as on the Disco
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2015-09-19T10:15:49 < Roklobsta> I see max sinkable is 25mA for a single pin but the max for all pins summed is 25mA too
2015-09-19T10:16:25 < Roklobsta> well i won't exceed that
2015-09-19T10:24:35 < jubatus> 25mA is probably short cicuit current
2015-09-19T10:24:59 < jubatus> if you want to maintain a decent voltage, it will be under 10mA
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2015-09-19T10:26:49 < Roklobsta> summed?
2015-09-19T10:26:56 < Roklobsta> or per i/o
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2015-09-19T10:40:06 < Ecco> hi :)
2015-09-19T10:41:08 < Ecco> PeterM: So you're saying that HobbyKings NiMH AA and AAA are very good then?
2015-09-19T10:41:39 < Ecco> I've bought a fair share of LiPo from them (to fly model airplanes). They were "meh", but incredibly cheap.
2015-09-19T10:48:23 < Sync> mine were not bad so far
2015-09-19T10:48:34 < Sync> low internal resistance and good capacity
2015-09-19T10:48:51 < Ecco> the ones I purchased were working great but eventually died pretty quickly
2015-09-19T10:50:32 < Sync> I got one in my motorcycle
2015-09-19T10:50:39 < Sync> survived two winters now
2015-09-19T10:50:44 < Ecco> LiPo?
2015-09-19T10:50:51 < Sync> yeah
2015-09-19T10:51:05 < Ecco> How do you charge it?
2015-09-19T10:51:32 < Sync> it just replaced the original battery
2015-09-19T10:53:29 < Sync> it's great, saves around 6kg above the CG
2015-09-19T10:53:46 < Ecco> I had no idea LiPos could be charged as Pb batteries
2015-09-19T11:02:38 < PeterM> Ecco, yeah their AAs and AAAs are very good value for money - i have bought them in bulk to be included with products i have made too
2015-09-19T11:03:41 < PeterM> their nimhs for model use are pretty average, but thats just a part of the technology, not hobbykings fault
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2015-09-19T11:06:22 < Roklobsta> wtf kicad is doubling up my schematics
2015-09-19T11:06:54 < Roklobsta> that'll teach me
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2015-09-19T11:22:00 < dongs> i have no issues with HK lipos
2015-09-19T11:22:07 < dongs> I use zippys mostly
2015-09-19T11:22:10 < dongs> stay away from nanopuff
2015-09-19T11:22:13 < dongs> and y ou'll be OK.
2015-09-19T11:23:17 < PeterM> for low load use even the nanotech/plain turnigy ones arent that bad
2015-09-19T11:23:35 < dongs> i think i overabused nanopuffs yea
2015-09-19T11:23:37 < ReadError> nanos are fine if you dont leave them charged all the time
2015-09-19T11:24:22 < PeterM> i use a brick of shitty 9x 4s 5Ah 20C plain turnigys for some stuff, they all seem fine
2015-09-19T11:25:01 < ReadError> dongs tardanis come?
2015-09-19T11:25:01 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__61510__Multistar_High_Capacity_6S_16000mAh_Multi_Rotor_Lipo_Pack.html i want these things
2015-09-19T11:25:09 < dongs> but they are ONLY in international warehouses
2015-09-19T11:25:24 < dongs> err i mean, all shit countries except actaul HK
2015-09-19T11:26:17 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=80908
2015-09-19T11:26:18 < dongs> FUCK!
2015-09-19T11:26:28 < dongs> see, they have that trash in ausfag warehouse but not in regular hK :(
2015-09-19T11:26:42 < PeterM> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__15521__Turnigy_5000mAh_4S1P_14_8v_20C_Hardcase_Pack.html these used to be as low as $20 2 years ago
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2015-09-19T11:27:09 < dongs> buy some of those for me and ship them here :)
2015-09-19T11:27:31 < PeterM> shipping would be an arm and a leg
2015-09-19T11:27:39 < dongs> i doubt you'd be able to ship them at all
2015-09-19T11:27:48 < dongs> being its a fuckign bomb
2015-09-19T11:28:08 < Steffanx> No, its just a home made clock.
2015-09-19T11:28:11 < ReadError> when mfgs ship bigger batts to retailers in the USA
2015-09-19T11:28:16 < ReadError> they put fake stickers on them
2015-09-19T11:28:20 < ReadError> or heatshrink
2015-09-19T11:28:28 < ReadError> then the retailers remove/replace
2015-09-19T11:28:42 < dongs> heh, who makes 6S 20Ah and ships them fake?
2015-09-19T11:28:48 < dongs> i'll buy them direct from whoever.
2015-09-19T11:28:59 < dongs> like I could use that pack right now
2015-09-19T11:29:01 < ReadError> dongs no its to get around the 'rules'
2015-09-19T11:29:03 < dongs> into spawns ebike
2015-09-19T11:29:07 < ReadError> restrictions on capacity
2015-09-19T11:29:11 < ReadError> Wh or w/e
2015-09-19T11:29:16 < dongs> so fucking tired of charging 2 batts in parallel
2015-09-19T11:29:24 < PeterM> dongs buy nissan leaf batteries if you don't need high discharge
2015-09-19T11:29:24 < dongs> hooking up 4 things instead of 2
2015-09-19T11:29:31 < dongs> PeterM: its a 250W ebike
2015-09-19T11:29:36 < dongs> whats a nissan leaf battery
2015-09-19T11:29:50 < Fleck> lead...
2015-09-19T11:29:58 < dongs> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1099200_nissan-leaf-battery-capacity-lawsuit-court-approves-settlement
2015-09-19T11:30:02 < dongs> 1st link
2015-09-19T11:30:40 < PeterM> http://hybridautocenter.com/HAC4/index.php?option=com_hikashop&ctrl=product&task=show&cid=92&name=2015-64ah-nissan-leaf-battery-module&Itemid=605
2015-09-19T11:30:51 < Fleck> :D
2015-09-19T11:31:12 < dongs> wow.
2015-09-19T11:31:14 < dongs> thats awesome
2015-09-19T11:31:16 < dongs> but not 6S.
2015-09-19T11:32:15 < dongs> what is that crazy chemistry
2015-09-19T11:32:17 < dongs> what do you cahrge it witrh
2015-09-19T11:32:49 < PeterM> just charge it to 4.2 and enjoy your better cycle life
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2015-09-19T11:33:04 < PeterM> but hk make some 4.35v chargers too
2015-09-19T11:33:08 < dongs> http://hybridautocenter.com/HAC4/images/4kw.jpg
2015-09-19T11:33:08 < dongs> damn
2015-09-19T11:33:29 < dongs> i think thats still ligther than 5 20Ah SLAs in my quad
2015-09-19T11:34:03 < dongs> to big tho
2015-09-19T11:34:22 < dongs> Watch this video to see how likely this battery will  catch fire:
2015-09-19T11:34:22 < dongs> http://youtu.be/Jz37WycW-7E
2015-09-19T11:34:23 < dongs>  
2015-09-19T11:34:25 < dongs> haha
2015-09-19T11:34:27 < dongs> well, thats helpful
2015-09-19T11:36:15 < dongs> oh
2015-09-19T11:36:22 < dongs> so they're showing its not going to explode right away
2015-09-19T11:37:05 < PeterM> yeah
2015-09-19T11:37:11 < PeterM> thats a nice feaqture
2015-09-19T11:37:37 < PeterM> i mean, compared to some lipos you see that look like the devil is trying to come through them as a portal to earth
2015-09-19T11:38:13 < dongs> i've got bout 30x42x30cm area
2015-09-19T11:38:17 < dongs> where i can stick batts
2015-09-19T11:38:34 < dongs> where can i find dimensions for that 8cell thing
2015-09-19T11:38:41 < dongs> http://hybridautocenter.com/HAC4/images/4kw.jpg
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2015-09-19T11:39:10 < dongs> ah
2015-09-19T11:39:14 < dongs> they only sell the shit in little parts
2015-09-19T11:39:24 < PeterM> http://hybridautocenter.com/HAC4/index.php?option=com_hikashop&ctrl=product&task=show&cid=5&name=3-5kw-h-battery-block-60-8v-58ah&Itemid=605
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2015-09-19T11:40:18 < dongs> huh that one is double the weight tho
2015-09-19T11:40:21 < PeterM> also, dongs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LExMC5buoFg the first 20 seconds, i love how its "smack- swell - pop - poof flames"
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2015-09-19T11:41:10 < dongs> haha
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2015-09-19T11:43:51 < PeterM> dongs your spawn needs this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCpzXIPXdAQ
2015-09-19T11:44:19 < dongs> idiots
2015-09-19T11:44:20 < dongs> haha
2015-09-19T11:44:24 < PeterM> 10/10
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2015-09-19T11:48:22 < dongs> so yeah how do you charge that weid chemistry?
2015-09-19T11:48:25 < dongs> and balance it and shit
2015-09-19T11:49:17 < dongs> holy shit their BMS stuff is a rip
2015-09-19T11:49:28 < PeterM> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__64345__Turnigy_Accucel_6_80W_10A_Balancer_Charger_LiHV_Capable.html
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2015-09-19T11:50:13 < PeterM> and yeah, their bms stuff is stupid pricey
2015-09-19T11:50:23 < PeterM> but i dont think its aimed at innovators like us
2015-09-19T11:50:59 < dongs> at that price its cheaper to innovate my own pcb!
2015-09-19T11:51:10 < dongs> and have it made in singles.
2015-09-19T11:54:00 < PeterM> i figure if you dont discharge them too far they would stay in balance fairly well
2015-09-19T11:57:07 < dongs> current batts are 6-FM-50B. checking wtf it is
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2015-09-19T11:58:46 < dongs> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/12V-car-battery-6-FM-50_60227448928.html k looks about right
2015-09-19T11:58:51 < dongs> and there's 5 of them
2015-09-19T11:59:08 < dongs> hm really, 13.5*5kg of lead batts?
2015-09-19T12:00:19 < PeterM> probably
2015-09-19T12:04:23 < PeterM> the shitty 7.2ah batts are 2.2kg~ so 6x2.2kg works out pretty close
2015-09-19T12:09:50 < PeterM> DoD on PB is pretty shit, so you wouldn't nbeed that much to replace a 50ah battery
2015-09-19T12:12:37 < dongs> so do you think people balance those leaf modules?
2015-09-19T12:13:52 < PeterM> yeah but not every charge
2015-09-19T12:14:03 < dongs> so you have to take it apart to balance?
2015-09-19T12:15:03 < dongs> PeterM: disregarding rape shipping, do you think you'd be able to ship that HK 20Ah thing?
2015-09-19T12:15:07 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=80912
2015-09-19T12:15:10 < PeterM> nah, you jsut put an extra balance lead on the screw terminals and break it out to a db9 or something
2015-09-19T12:16:07 < dongs> so more DIY shit
2015-09-19T12:16:40 < dongs> gotta go dick with family bbl
2015-09-19T12:16:57 < PeterM> that seems liek an awefully japanese or southern thing
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2015-09-19T13:36:58 < Ecco> Hmm, I still can't figure out what would be the proper way to write a usleep function
2015-09-19T13:37:05 < Ecco> if I'm running bare-metal, without any RTOS
2015-09-19T13:38:23 < kakimir> is there even more than 1 way to do such?
2015-09-19T13:38:32 < Ecco> I have no idea :)
2015-09-19T13:38:43 < Ecco> I'm not talking about putting the device in a "deep" sleep mode
2015-09-19T13:39:00 < Ecco> I'm talking about "how do you wait a few msec without wasting energy"
2015-09-19T13:39:07 < kakimir> using one of timers to interupt sleep
2015-09-19T13:39:42 < kakimir> which one you use and how you do it it's technical detail
2015-09-19T13:39:48 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-19T13:39:55 < Ecco> then I guess I have to "wait for interrupt"?
2015-09-19T13:40:17 < Ecco> so that my sleep routine looks like "1/ Setup timer, 2/ Wait for timer to expire"
2015-09-19T13:40:28 < kakimir> if you have excess timer just get that to use
2015-09-19T13:40:39 < Ecco> no comprendo
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2015-09-19T13:42:27 < kakimir> yes next after function that enters core into sleep is function to be called after wakeup
2015-09-19T13:42:38 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-19T13:42:41 < kakimir> there is no loops or anything
2015-09-19T13:42:51 < Ecco> Yes I understand
2015-09-19T13:42:59 < Ecco> Can this be done in C?
2015-09-19T13:43:04 < Ecco> Or do I need assembly?
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2015-09-19T13:43:31 < kakimir> I bet you don't need assembly
2015-09-19T13:43:35 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-19T13:43:40 < Ecco> how do I generate the WFI instruction?
2015-09-19T13:45:57 < kakimir> hmm
2015-09-19T13:46:39 < Roklobsta> dunno.  i did a simple preeptive scheduler for the AVR that went into sleep mode during the idle task.  Pretty easy to do.  Not having done ARM *yet* I'd expect it to be the same process though, going into sleep mode then using a timer IRQ to wake up.
2015-09-19T13:47:09 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-19T13:47:28 < kakimir> if it's actual arm instruction you may enter it in inline asm function but I bet there is something to use for power modes in headers or HAL if such used
2015-09-19T13:48:40 < kakimir> someone who have done power modes with cortex would know better
2015-09-19T13:48:44 < obsrwr> any of you guys ever used a BusPirate 3.6 on linux?
2015-09-19T13:48:49 < obsrwr> I think the one i have is fried
2015-09-19T13:48:53 < Ecco> I have
2015-09-19T13:48:57 < Ecco> well, on OS X
2015-09-19T13:48:59 < obsrwr> i connect it to the laptop but linux doesn't enumerate it
2015-09-19T13:49:02 < Ecco> but it's pretty similar
2015-09-19T13:49:04 < obsrwr> the PWR led is on
2015-09-19T13:49:05 < Ecco> Does it light up?
2015-09-19T13:49:06 < obsrwr> but that's about it
2015-09-19T13:49:09 < Ecco> hmm, weird
2015-09-19T13:49:15 < Roklobsta> You're right, WFI.  ARM made this easy.  http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0497a/BABHHGEB.html
2015-09-19T13:49:19 < Ecco> Probably dead indeed
2015-09-19T13:49:29 < obsrwr> alright, thanks Ecco
2015-09-19T13:49:51 < Ecco> when you plug it in, dmesg doesn't say anything?
2015-09-19T13:49:56 < obsrwr> nothing at all
2015-09-19T13:50:05 < Ecco> That's weird
2015-09-19T13:50:07 < obsrwr> and i even recompiled the kernel with all USB serial options i could find
2015-09-19T13:50:19 < Ecco> Do you have any other machine lying around?
2015-09-19T13:50:35 < obsrwr> i tried it on an ibm thinkpad running arch linux
2015-09-19T13:50:37 < obsrwr> same
2015-09-19T13:50:44 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-19T13:50:52 < Ecco> on OS X it works out of the box
2015-09-19T13:50:57 < Ecco> I guess it should on linux as well
2015-09-19T13:50:59 < obsrwr> it should on linux as well
2015-09-19T13:51:04 < Ecco> it *definitely* should be enumerated
2015-09-19T13:51:09 < zyp> if dmesg doesn't say anything at all, the device isn't signalling presence with a pullup on d+
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2015-09-19T13:51:19 < Roklobsta> It's dead, Jim.
2015-09-19T13:51:51 < obsrwr> i'll get another BP from my worklab, the guy who used it before me might have fried it without saying anything
2015-09-19T13:51:51 < obsrwr> thanks
2015-09-19T13:52:50 < kakimir> typical guy using your stuff
2015-09-19T13:56:51 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeHNxZUNESlQ0Ums/view?usp=sharing it's going to be a tight one
2015-09-19T13:57:21 < kakimir> I wonder if cap head has voltage on it
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2015-09-19T14:00:55 < kakimir> 15V1.1A meanwell
2015-09-19T14:01:13 < kakimir> 9eur 0%vat
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2015-09-19T14:09:10 < Steffanx> Next time: No SMAs => smaller board => no space issues.
2015-09-19T14:10:34 < kakimir> there is no issues it's a tight fit
2015-09-19T14:11:20 < Steffanx> -_-
2015-09-19T14:14:09 < kakimir> better put some plastic films there
2015-09-19T14:14:15 < kakimir> everywhere
2015-09-19T14:15:36 < kakimir> and between everything
2015-09-19T14:15:47 < kakimir> so that it becomes series of cells inside
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2015-09-19T14:39:42 < dongs> dongs
2015-09-19T14:40:23 < dongs> Ecco: __WFI() intrinsic in cmsis
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2015-09-19T14:51:04 < zyp> dongs, any news on XH connectors from china?
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2015-09-19T15:01:42 < ReadError> dongs https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12043066_10154010577925995_8959570783972905854_n.jpg?oh=8621c485adb7cc42835eda524c8f5fcc&oe=5660CB48
2015-09-19T15:02:04 < ReadError> its big and black too!
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2015-09-19T17:43:30 < Ecco> dongs: thanks!
2015-09-19T17:45:08 < Ecco> It's indeed old, but it made me laugh one more time :)
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2015-09-19T19:35:06 < scrts> anyone tried this: http://www.ingenic.com/en/?newton/id/7.html?
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2015-09-19T19:43:27 < karlp> scrts: looks okish, no ethernet though,
2015-09-19T19:44:12 < scrts> I wonder why companies do ethernet for IoT stuff when IMHO it should be WIFi
2015-09-19T19:45:02 < karlp> want both.
2015-09-19T19:45:11 < karlp> at least that one is wifi first,
2015-09-19T19:45:29 < karlp> (I just want ethernet for my own things, I agree for a "IoT" module, wifi+bt are more useful.
2015-09-19T19:46:26 < scrts> power cable for device is a problem
2015-09-19T19:46:36 < scrts> having two cables laying around for IoT is a mess
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2015-09-19T20:15:27 < upgrdman> obsrwr, re: ass pirate: you're not using one of those stupid usb cables for chargers are you? e.g. your cable has data lines, right? i did that once with my phone... wondered why i couldn't connect to it :)
2015-09-19T20:24:40 < obsrwr> nah, i'm using an usb data cable, i use the same cable for a bt/wifi dongle
2015-09-19T20:27:01 < karlp> obsrwr: better recompile the kernel some more then, that'll help :)
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2015-09-19T20:51:25 < obsrwr> funny
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2015-09-19T22:23:27 < kakimir> https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1920-iron-wolf
2015-09-19T22:33:14 < Steffanx> heh Little Red Cap
2015-09-19T22:48:53 < Steffanx> nice "painting" that guy has kakimir
2015-09-19T22:49:26 < kakimir> there is more
2015-09-19T22:49:49 < Steffanx> sorry, i tried to write "paitings" :P
2015-09-19T22:49:54 < Steffanx> +n
2015-09-19T22:49:57 < Steffanx> -_-
2015-09-19T22:50:03 < kakimir> it's like alternative world
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2015-09-19T23:09:46 < Steffanx> Yeah, like that style.
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2015-09-20T00:13:23 < upgrdman> nice  http://imgur.com/g2LVqjD
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2015-09-20T00:14:56 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://i.imgur.com/QkTLwhU.jpg
2015-09-20T00:15:06 < Ecco> Ok, so I can't figure out how to get "__wfi()" to work on clang
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2015-09-20T00:18:59 < zyp> this doesn't work: static inline void __wfi() { asm volatile("wfi"); } ?
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2015-09-20T00:20:53 < upgrdman> why static?
2015-09-20T00:21:43 < zyp> because it's pointless to emit a symbol for a single instruction function that should always get inlined anyway
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2015-09-20T00:26:06 < upgrdman> inline by itself doesn't prevent symbol emission?
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2015-09-20T00:29:33 < zyp> no, it doesn't necessarily get inlined
2015-09-20T00:29:58 < zyp> consider what happens if you make a function pointer to an inlined function
2015-09-20T00:32:27 < upgrdman> interesting
2015-09-20T00:32:45 < upgrdman> is there any way to force it to inline or warn/error if not?
2015-09-20T00:36:09 < mtbg> __attribute__((always_inline))
2015-09-20T00:36:32 < kakimir> anyone have jst vhr connectors?
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2015-09-20T00:37:51 < kakimir> just received complementary shipment from mouser and there really isn't anything to order for 65eur anymore
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2015-09-20T00:38:48 < kakimir> did you know that jst stands for japan solderless terminals
2015-09-20T00:39:20 < zyp> «you» who?
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2015-09-20T00:39:41 < kakimir> you in general form
2015-09-20T00:39:57 < zyp> I knew it was «japan something»
2015-09-20T00:40:11 < zyp> and that it's a japanese connector manufacturer
2015-09-20T00:41:21 < kakimir> I had false believe it's just certain kind of connector used in lipos
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2015-09-20T00:41:41 < zyp> no, they make a bunch of series
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2015-09-20T00:47:44 < kakimir> I wonder if dongs have any
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2015-09-20T00:49:05 < zyp> any what?
2015-09-20T00:49:17 < zyp> oh, vhr
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2015-09-20T00:50:08 < zyp> idk, I'm still waiting for him to tell me whether he can get JST-XH cheaper than just ordering from digikey
2015-09-20T00:50:25 < kakimir> I don't feel like paying those rip off ebay sellers
2015-09-20T00:50:47 < kakimir> 3eur a piece + 5eur shipping per item, pins seperatelly
2015-09-20T00:50:54 < zyp> haha
2015-09-20T00:56:36 < kakimir> buy xhs from ebay?
2015-09-20T00:56:47 < kakimir> I got like hundred of every kind there is
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2015-09-20T00:58:01 < zyp> I don't want hundreds of various kinds, I want 1500 of a specific kind :)
2015-09-20T00:58:42 < kakimir> stills it's like 3euros per 100
2015-09-20T00:58:56 < kakimir> china copy quality
2015-09-20T01:13:41 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsHG1czWeaY
2015-09-20T01:14:28 < kakimir> it doesn't feel good to derail such device
2015-09-20T01:16:31 < zyp> haha, nice
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2015-09-20T02:03:40 < dongs> upgrdman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUfV8ifh94w
2015-09-20T02:06:22 < Roklobsta> Genius.
2015-09-20T02:06:49 < upgrdman> i fucking hate women that scream like that
2015-09-20T02:06:56 < upgrdman> does mrs. dongs do that?
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2015-09-20T02:07:48 < Roklobsta> No she does this.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wo0dREXVt0
2015-09-20T02:09:38 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-20T02:11:44 < upgrdman> any ltspice pros here? i have a pulse voltage source im using for PWM. i set rise and fall to zero, but the rise and fall voltage looks to take about 400ns. wtf.
2015-09-20T02:11:54 < kakimir> star of the day
2015-09-20T02:12:39 < Roklobsta> make the time steps shoetrer
2015-09-20T02:13:03 < Roklobsta> i forget how so am useless to you there
2015-09-20T02:13:11 < upgrdman> k
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2015-09-20T02:15:59 < upgrdman> i dont think that's it. other voltages are fucktuation nicely within 400ns
2015-09-20T02:16:04 < upgrdman> fucktuating*
2015-09-20T02:17:23 < kakimir> sure that resistance and capacitance are zero?
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2015-09-20T02:19:20 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/lt_spice.png
2015-09-20T02:19:51 < kakimir> I always read it as farnell.com :/
2015-09-20T02:19:59 < kakimir> brain hurt
2015-09-20T02:21:52 < upgrdman> green waveform is voltage before R1
2015-09-20T02:22:17 < kakimir> clearly upgrdman Ton[s] has something to do with it
2015-09-20T02:22:41 < kakimir> makes no sense but try changing it
2015-09-20T02:22:58 < Roklobsta> Try making Simulation command->Transient->Maximum Timestep really small
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2015-09-20T02:23:24 < Roklobsta> good thing ltspice works perfect in wine
2015-09-20T02:23:49 < upgrdman> kakimir, lol, that does it. but it also changes the duty cycle.
2015-09-20T02:23:57 < upgrdman> changing it to 1 makes the rise time must faster
2015-09-20T02:24:10 < upgrdman> but only 1/8% duty
2015-09-20T02:24:12 < kakimir> it clearly fukkens itself somehow
2015-09-20T02:24:40 < kakimir> parameters have wrong names or something
2015-09-20T02:29:10 < kakimir> did you find a way around it?
2015-09-20T02:29:16 < upgrdman> pulse mode is for pwm, right?
2015-09-20T02:29:19 < upgrdman> no
2015-09-20T02:29:57 < upgrdman> oh, fixed it
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2015-09-20T02:30:13 < upgrdman> seems it doesn't like a rise/fall time of zero.
2015-09-20T02:30:17 < upgrdman> make it 1ns fixed it
2015-09-20T02:30:23 < upgrdman> nice!
2015-09-20T02:31:43 < Roklobsta> there you go. you were asking spice to do infinities
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2015-09-20T02:35:49 < upgrdman> and it didn't whine :(
2015-09-20T02:37:16 < kakimir> thats how tools are
2015-09-20T02:41:06 < upgrdman> so i was modeling that RLC because of the nasty ass ringing on my gates... :)
2015-09-20T02:41:22 < upgrdman> look like adding 3 ohms of gate resistance will clean it up nicely without too much roll off
2015-09-20T02:42:01 < upgrdman> im guessing this is why you should make SMPS layouts as tight as possible? to minimize parasitic inductance?
2015-09-20T02:42:22 < upgrdman> i was measuring about 80nH in my wire going to the gate
2015-09-20T02:45:57 < kakimir> how long it is
2015-09-20T02:47:31 < upgrdman> 150mm :)
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2015-09-20T02:51:27 < upgrdman> does coax generally how lower parasitic inducatance like jumper wires?
2015-09-20T02:51:31 < upgrdman> of same length
2015-09-20T02:51:40 < upgrdman> s/like/than
2015-09-20T02:52:29 < kakimir> what were you thinking?
2015-09-20T02:52:48 < upgrdman> kakimir, ya i know. ghetto prototype, flying wires, etc.
2015-09-20T02:53:18 < upgrdman> they were like 250mm before
2015-09-20T02:54:47 < upgrdman> before shortening the wires or using a gate driver: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/sepic_converter_revA.jpg
2015-09-20T02:55:37 < upgrdman> oh and that's also before going synch and using a FET instead of the diode
2015-09-20T02:56:18 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: ow my eyes.  looks more like septic converter.
2015-09-20T02:56:44 < upgrdman> ? it is a sepic converter
2015-09-20T02:56:59 < Roklobsta> are you making props for Mad Max V?
2015-09-20T02:57:29 < upgrdman> no im trying to learn about SMPSs but too lazy to read a textbook :)
2015-09-20T02:57:43 < Roklobsta> yeah.  well, the linear data sheets aren't bad
2015-09-20T02:58:01 < Roklobsta> i am going to try do a sepic design next with the STM in the control loop
2015-09-20T02:58:27 < upgrdman> sweet
2015-09-20T02:58:32 < Roklobsta> I say TRY
2015-09-20T02:58:37 < upgrdman> i plan to try Cùk next
2015-09-20T02:59:06 < Roklobsta> i might just end up using a LT3757
2015-09-20T02:59:16 < Roklobsta> Cok?
2015-09-20T03:00:15 < upgrdman> err Cúk
2015-09-20T03:00:17 < upgrdman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%86uk_converter
2015-09-20T03:00:45 < Roklobsta> yep
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2015-09-20T03:01:43 < upgrdman> suck my Ćuk
2015-09-20T03:02:14 < upgrdman> i should make a PCB for the cuk converter, in the shape of a cartoon dick. have the two inductors be the balls.
2015-09-20T03:04:07 < Roklobsta> you've hung around dongs too much
2015-09-20T03:04:17 < upgrdman> guilty as charged
2015-09-20T03:07:49 < upgrdman> does coax generally how lower parasitic inducatance than a pair of jumper wires of the same length?
2015-09-20T03:09:48 < Roklobsta> dunno google it
2015-09-20T03:10:16 < Roklobsta> i do know jumper leads with 400A going through them will jump apart
2015-09-20T03:11:31 < upgrdman> pix?
2015-09-20T03:11:37 < upgrdman> err vidz
2015-09-20T03:12:20 < Roklobsta> in real life
2015-09-20T03:12:33 < Roklobsta> load testing car batteries with a carbon pile
2015-09-20T03:12:43 < upgrdman> sweet
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2015-09-20T03:17:35 < mtbg> coaxial cable can have lower inductance if the current passing through core is opposite of the current passing through shield
2015-09-20T03:17:44 < mtbg> since it is coaxial
2015-09-20T03:18:00 < mtbg> and magnetic fields are cancelling each other
2015-09-20T03:18:25 < mtbg> same thing with just two wires if they are close enough
2015-09-20T03:25:56 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-20T03:27:46 < emeb_mac> received ebay china optical encoder
2015-09-20T03:27:49 < emeb_mac> seems nice
2015-09-20T03:27:55 < emeb_mac> very long cable
2015-09-20T03:28:46 < upgrdman> :)
2015-09-20T03:29:06 < upgrdman> not bad for $15 huh
2015-09-20T03:30:54 < emeb_mac> will know for certain when I've hooked it up, but seems good so far
2015-09-20T03:31:46 < emeb_mac> set up timer/encoder inputs w/ triggers on rise and fall of both edges - should be able to get good resolution
2015-09-20T03:33:05 < upgrdman> ya iirc the ref man even covers this
2015-09-20T03:33:16 < upgrdman> to calc velocity too
2015-09-20T03:39:55 < upgrdman> dongs, R2COM: http://i.imgur.com/BTfxYUt.gifv
2015-09-20T03:42:13 < kakimir> wolf wall cloth :)
2015-09-20T03:45:57 < mtbg> how could it go wrong?
2015-09-20T03:54:25 < kakimir> now I must listen some sonata arctica :/
2015-09-20T04:19:14 < upgrdman> dongs, finally a good use for quads:  http://gfycat.com/MajorNextAmericansaddlebred
2015-09-20T04:19:38 < upgrdman> from https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryGfys/comments/3lkuke/alnusra_drone_footage_of_double_vbied_in_fua_idlib/
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2015-09-20T04:48:26 < upgrdman> no chatz :(
2015-09-20T04:48:36 < GargantuaSauce> rip chatz
2015-09-20T04:48:49 < GargantuaSauce> that is a great subreddit
2015-09-20T04:50:25 < upgrdman> the mil gifys? ya
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2015-09-20T05:35:30 < PeterM> upgrdman, your sync fet, tell me how you're implimenting that?
2015-09-20T05:41:23 < upgrdman> very badly
2015-09-20T05:42:01 < upgrdman> irs21867s gate driver
2015-09-20T05:42:22 < upgrdman> it gets warmer than the normal fet. i wonder if im using the fet wrong
2015-09-20T05:42:44 < upgrdman> since im having conventional current go from source to drain.
2015-09-20T05:43:04 < upgrdman> but i am driving the gate 12V above source to turn it on
2015-09-20T05:43:33 < upgrdman> "it gets warmer" referred to the high side fet, not the gate driver
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2015-09-20T05:44:47 < PeterM> ok, a few things to help
2015-09-20T05:45:10 < PeterM> 1) got a diode in parallel with it? a schoittky diode will stop the body diode turning on
2015-09-20T05:45:26 < PeterM> and will stop the current from flowing through it when the fet turns off
2015-09-20T05:45:28 < upgrdman> it's a avalanche-rated FET with power diode inside
2015-09-20T05:45:33 < PeterM> link?
2015-09-20T05:46:08 < PeterM> if the diodes reverse recovery is crap it wont help
2015-09-20T05:46:44 < upgrdman> http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheet/toshiba/2986.pdf
2015-09-20T05:46:50 < PeterM> 2) are you jsut driving it out of phase with your boost fet?
2015-09-20T05:46:57 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-20T05:47:27 < PeterM> you should ideally be driving it with zero crossing detection so current doenst flow backwards through it to ground after the coupled current
2015-09-20T05:48:33 < upgrdman> oh shit ya. lol.
2015-09-20T05:48:39 < upgrdman> totally didn't think of that.
2015-09-20T05:49:08 < PeterM> i think i mentioned it to you but you didnt notice
2015-09-20T05:49:32 < upgrdman> prolly
2015-09-20T05:51:30 < PeterM> also, the reverse recovery on that fets diode is pretty slow, you want a schottky or a high speed silicon diode, they have 0-4ns reverse recovery, compared to the 60ns of the fet
2015-09-20T05:51:55 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-20T05:51:55 < PeterM> they don't have to be high continuous current because your fet will be doign the heavy lifting, but they need to be pulse rated
2015-09-20T05:57:26 < PeterM> also, what voltage are you driving the gate with? if you're driving it with more than the minimum voltage of that driver you're probably just wasting power and probably also slowing down switching
2015-09-20T05:58:19 < upgrdman> driver is rated for 5-20V
2015-09-20T05:58:23 < upgrdman> im using 6V
2015-09-20T05:58:23 < PeterM> the more charge you put into the  gate the mroe you have to take out
2015-09-20T05:58:27 < PeterM> 6v is good
2015-09-20T05:58:47 < PeterM> i thought you mi9ght be using 12 or so (which is pretty standard)
2015-09-20T05:58:58 < PeterM> 6-8 is optimal imho
2015-09-20T05:59:03 < upgrdman> well correction: 6v for low side fet
2015-09-20T05:59:18 < upgrdman> high side boost voltage gets very high, and i clamp it to 12v to a zener
2015-09-20T06:00:24 < upgrdman> *12v above high-side source. not 12v from ground.
2015-09-20T06:00:32 < PeterM> yeah
2015-09-20T06:00:33 < PeterM> ofc
2015-09-20T06:02:18 < PeterM> but yeah, those two things should make the fet a bit cooler, should also make your converter more efficient
2015-09-20T06:03:41 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-20T06:04:16 < PeterM> how much dissipation would you guess your fet has? 1-2w or more?
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2015-09-20T06:05:08 < upgrdman> maybe. not really good at est'ing that.
2015-09-20T06:05:50 < PeterM> use a heatsink with known dissipation, measure temp, approximate power
2015-09-20T06:05:55 < upgrdman> heatsinks gets about as hot as i'd expect with a 3w led... so prolly around there
2015-09-20T06:06:17 < upgrdman> ya, about that... i just use heatsinks from shit pc's or other stuff that's getting thrown away
2015-09-20T06:06:17 < PeterM> mmhm
2015-09-20T06:07:34 < PeterM> you can still approximate thermal conductivity though, just digikey for a similar size/shape heatsinks and look at its numebrs, - provided its the same materials it should be atleast i nthe same ballpark
2015-09-20T06:07:44 < upgrdman> k
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2015-09-20T06:13:46 < upgrdman> PeterM, any idea what D3 and its coil are for:  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/Schematic_of_a_forward_converter.png
2015-09-20T06:14:32 < PeterM> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/sepic_converter_revA.jpg the folded metal one in this is probably 25c/w with natural airflow, jsut looking at random similar ones on DK, and the other one is probably around 18c/w
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2015-09-20T06:14:55 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-20T06:15:19 < aandrew> < superbia1> https://i.imgur.com/unQRyxT.gif
2015-09-20T06:15:24 < aandrew> that is one of my favourite gifs
2015-09-20T06:15:27 < upgrdman> well they get to about 150F with 73F ambient... so 83F is ~28C
2015-09-20T06:16:11 < upgrdman> err 77F, so 25C
2015-09-20T06:16:31 < upgrdman> so that's 1w :)
2015-09-20T06:16:33 < PeterM> its to reset the transformer core to stop it saturating over time
2015-09-20T06:17:27 < PeterM> upgrdman, engineering, 'smagic
2015-09-20T06:17:36 < upgrdman> :)
2015-09-20T06:19:44 < aandrew> switchmode supplies have serious amounts of magic in them
2015-09-20T06:21:42 < PeterM> this is a nifty website for calculators http://schmidt-walter.eit.h-da.de/smps_e/smps_e.html the guy writes a few books, iirc only one is in english
2015-09-20T06:26:00 < PeterM> aandrew, they aren't *that* bad, it's just that they are "real" electronics opposed to embedded electronics
2015-09-20T06:26:19 < aandrew> oh I agree
2015-09-20T06:27:11 < aandrew> I designed a couple of them over the years. I'm not very good at it. that third winding is the magic
2015-09-20T06:29:42 < upgrdman> well this sepic project has already been worth while for me. forced me to finally learn a bit about RLC circuits. when i bumped up to 125kHz PWM, and the 4A gate driver, i got some awesome ringing on the gates:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/sepic_fast_pwm_ringing.png    :D
2015-09-20T06:30:00 < PeterM> JESUS FUCK
2015-09-20T06:30:07 < upgrdman> >:)
2015-09-20T06:30:14 < PeterM> you need soem termination there
2015-09-20T06:30:21 < PeterM> or shorter leads
2015-09-20T06:30:23 < PeterM> or both
2015-09-20T06:30:25 < upgrdman> i know. both
2015-09-20T06:30:38 < aandrew> is that real ringing? how long are your grounds?
2015-09-20T06:31:24 < upgrdman> yes. i even probed with a spring ground, and it only cleaned up a little
2015-09-20T06:31:44 < upgrdman> note that that screenshot has all four channels limited to 20MHz bandwidth :) :)
2015-09-20T06:32:02 < PeterM> it looks real because it doesn't just show o nthe gate, but also shows on the signal switched by the fet
2015-09-20T06:32:24 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-20T06:32:54 < upgrdman> yellow = low side gate         dark blue = high side gate            light blue = high side source          magenta = output voltage
2015-09-20T06:33:12 < aandrew> I see ringing on all the lines
2015-09-20T06:33:25 < PeterM> indeed
2015-09-20T06:34:06 < upgrdman> most of it seems to be from wires for the gate driver.
2015-09-20T06:34:18 < upgrdman> it was even worse with the longer wires shown in the RevA photo
2015-09-20T06:34:30 < upgrdman> i cut them to half the length and it cleaned up noticably
2015-09-20T06:35:08 < PeterM> i wouldnt be surprised if the fet was gettign super hot when you first tried it
2015-09-20T06:35:40 < upgrdman> prolly
2015-09-20T06:36:24 < upgrdman> i measure about 80nH per wire going between fet / driver, and about 50mOhm or resistance per wire
2015-09-20T06:36:34 < upgrdman> sim'd in ltspice... and looks just like my scope
2015-09-20T06:36:42 < upgrdman> 9nF cap to model input cap of my fet
2015-09-20T06:37:10 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-meQ8sAl5Ng big EDF flies over english channel
2015-09-20T06:37:22 < kakimir> *English
2015-09-20T06:37:26 < upgrdman> PeterM, in my sim it looks like 5 ohm termination resistors would helps a lot. why? is it because it keeps the parasitic inductors "saturated" ?
2015-09-20T06:37:29 < PeterM> that fet is pretty huge (unnessecaryily[sp?] so)
2015-09-20T06:37:50 < upgrdman> my fet?
2015-09-20T06:38:09 < upgrdman> ya. i have a bag of them i got for free. so i use them for ~all pet projects.
2015-09-20T06:38:27 < upgrdman> 100+ left
2015-09-20T06:38:41 < PeterM> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_factor#RLC_circuits
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2015-09-20T06:42:15 < upgrdman> PeterM, for more "jesus fuck", here's some waveforms from a 100W boost converted i was similarly half-ass-prototyping a year ago: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/adjustable_load.jpg
2015-09-20T06:49:39 < PeterM> it limits the risetime from the inductor once the cap is charged, since the risetime is limited it requires a much bigger capacitor to resonate with, but also, if it did have a bigger capacitor, it wouldn't resonate much anyway because the resistor would dissipate out the energy (the amount of energy stored inthe inductance of the wire would be tiny)
2015-09-20T06:50:25 < PeterM> what was that boost converter?
2015-09-20T06:51:57 < upgrdman> something i designed, very poorly (my first SMPS) for a 100W china led
2015-09-20T06:52:35 < upgrdman> 12V boosted to 35ish V
2015-09-20T06:53:37 < PeterM> i dont think that would have looksed so bad on the scop if you probed it properly and you had all your leads short etc
2015-09-20T06:54:12 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-20T06:54:29 < upgrdman> i etched a pcb and ~all noise went away
2015-09-20T06:54:55 < PeterM> also, for fixed constant current, in higher voltage supplies you can be pretty lazy
2015-09-20T06:55:09 < upgrdman> but i didnt use proper current sensing, just a resistor, so the stm adc only had a few hundred counts to work with, and was noisey as fuck, so the feedback loop was not stable.
2015-09-20T06:55:35 < upgrdman> well it would "flicker"
2015-09-20T06:55:51 < upgrdman> if i would have used a current amp and proper shunt, im sure i could have made it work quite nicely
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2015-09-20T06:58:03 < upgrdman> so many many mistakes on the design, but this is what it looked like:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/boost_converter_for_100w_led.jpg
2015-09-20T06:59:17 < PeterM> with a stnadard boost converter ic, you could jsut put in a low side current shunt of the appropriate value and fed that straight to the feedback pin - say 0.38ohm, would give 1.25v~ @ 3.33A~
2015-09-20T07:00:01 < PeterM> love that fuse holder
2015-09-20T07:00:02 < PeterM> lol
2015-09-20T07:01:10 < PeterM> is that stack of 4 resistors your shunt?
2015-09-20T07:01:23 < upgrdman> PeterM, ya. it looks super ghetto because i made it over a 3 day weekend (layout to etch to populate to test) and only bought the fuse. everything else was laying around or pulled from random trash
2015-09-20T07:01:41 < upgrdman> PeterM, the four was for input current sensing, but i fucked it up, so couldn't use it
2015-09-20T07:01:53 < upgrdman> the one power resistor is for low side current sensing.
2015-09-20T07:02:20 < PeterM> ahh yep
2015-09-20T07:03:04 < PeterM> it doesnt look sooo bad
2015-09-20T07:03:56 < ReadError> upgrdman you etched http://www.farrellf.com/temp/boost_converter_for_100w_led.jpg ?
2015-09-20T07:03:57 < PeterM> how did you do the dimming? just change the threshold for the current sense?
2015-09-20T07:04:08 < upgrdman> ReadError, yes
2015-09-20T07:04:10 < upgrdman> in my kitchen
2015-09-20T07:04:13 < ReadError> upgrdman very nice
2015-09-20T07:04:18 < upgrdman> thanks
2015-09-20T07:04:22 < ReadError> any tips for the resist application?
2015-09-20T07:04:26 < upgrdman> PeterM, yes
2015-09-20T07:04:29 < ReadError> mine doesnt look nearly as nice ;/
2015-09-20T07:04:34 < upgrdman> ReadError, i use presen boards
2015-09-20T07:04:35 < ReadError> soldermask*
2015-09-20T07:04:38 < upgrdman> oh
2015-09-20T07:04:42 < upgrdman> uh yes
2015-09-20T07:04:43 < kakimir> stm32 led driver?
2015-09-20T07:04:46 < PeterM> it does look pretty good - i had to doubletake to see if it was a commercially mfgd pone
2015-09-20T07:04:49 < upgrdman> kakimir, yes
2015-09-20T07:05:08 < upgrdman> ReadError, my notes are here: http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-01-17_DIY_PCBs_with_Solder_Mask/
2015-09-20T07:05:32 < ReadError> ohh dry film
2015-09-20T07:05:34 < kakimir> upgrdman: change to XT60
2015-09-20T07:05:36 < upgrdman> i also have a video on how to do it on youtube, but in the video i managed to fuck it up and the solder mask only stuck to the copper, not to the fiberglass... lol
2015-09-20T07:05:45 < upgrdman> kakimir, fuck you. xt60's can suck my ass.
2015-09-20T07:05:48 < upgrdman> ;)
2015-09-20T07:06:10 < kakimir> that connector is so random I don't remember it's name anymore
2015-09-20T07:06:15 < PeterM> xt-150s 4 lyfe
2015-09-20T07:06:35 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-CZ8NSnC/0/X3/CA_01231514215401-X3.jpg
2015-09-20T07:06:39 < upgrdman> kakimir, deans
2015-09-20T07:06:42 < ReadError> the liquid stuff, I cant ever get really even ;/
2015-09-20T07:06:47 < upgrdman> kakimir, they super popular in the usa for RC stuff
2015-09-20T07:07:38 < kakimir> I think I melted one oh those somehow and then changed to xt60
2015-09-20T07:08:25 < kakimir> I think I change to jst connectors as planes have no motors anymore
2015-09-20T07:08:33 < upgrdman> PeterM, at the xt150s the same size as lab equipment? 4mm iirc?
2015-09-20T07:08:59 < PeterM> xt-150s are 6mm
2015-09-20T07:09:32 < PeterM> they are xbox hueg compared to xt60s
2015-09-20T07:09:59 < PeterM> i used to use deans/xt60/90 until i got a lost 5ive-t and converted it to brushless
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2015-09-20T07:10:50 < upgrdman> ya that's need more than a deans
2015-09-20T07:10:53 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-09-20T07:12:52 < ReadError> hmm need a laminator
2015-09-20T07:13:20 < upgrdman> i use one
2015-09-20T07:14:01 < upgrdman> $20 at walmart
2015-09-20T07:14:58 < ReadError> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Scotch-Thermal-Laminator-2-Roller/17208765 ?
2015-09-20T07:15:33 < upgrdman> http://www.walmart.com/ip/17208765
2015-09-20T07:15:45 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-20T07:16:33 < ReadError> not bad then
2015-09-20T07:20:15 < upgrdman> oh, those notes of mine, i should update them. you dont need to use alcohol under the film. i later found out i had a old batch of film.
2015-09-20T07:20:55 < upgrdman> and here's my poor excuse of a tutorial video on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHNv0eOq7Rk
2015-09-20T07:20:55 < ReadError> the UV stuff is great
2015-09-20T07:21:02 < ReadError> so much easier than all that toner xfer crap
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2015-09-20T07:59:56 < kakimir> now I try to make board that fits as many as possible opamp circuits around lm324
2015-09-20T08:00:09 < kakimir> gay universal board
2015-09-20T08:01:04 < kakimir> lm324 and it's better performance replacements in 16pin case
2015-09-20T08:01:36 < kakimir> that pinout is quite popular obiviously
2015-09-20T08:04:16 < aandrew> wtf a laminator is only $20?
2015-09-20T08:06:10 < kakimir> would you actually pay more?
2015-09-20T08:06:23 < aandrew> no, I just never knew they were that cheap
2015-09-20T08:06:47 < kakimir> http://www.biltema.fi/fi/Toimisto---Tekniikka/Toimistotarvikkeet/Koneet/Laminointikone-2000030755/
2015-09-20T08:07:19 < kakimir> do you have swedish hardware store "biltema" ?
2015-09-20T08:10:16 < aandrew> no. I'm in Canada. no such thing as biltema here
2015-09-20T08:10:51 < kakimir> murican stores?
2015-09-20T08:11:02 < dongs> sup cloners
2015-09-20T08:11:13 < kakimir> why murica doesn't invide canada?
2015-09-20T08:11:23 < aandrew> they tried
2015-09-20T08:11:25 < kakimir> they are teethless
2015-09-20T08:11:37 < dongs> cuz even america doesn't want shitty french faggots
2015-09-20T08:11:45 < aandrew> we marched down to their capital city and set their presidential building on fire
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2015-09-20T08:11:49 < aandrew> that too
2015-09-20T08:12:47 < englishman> canada doesnt want shitty imperialist faggots
2015-09-20T08:13:05 < englishman> kakimir i bought i finnish tool this week it is excellent
2015-09-20T08:13:09 < PeterM> canada doesn't want to be called 'murca
2015-09-20T08:13:16 < englishman> a fiskars
2015-09-20T08:13:18 < kakimir> I don't quite believe there is 2 seperate countries
2015-09-20T08:13:23 < kakimir> englishman: scissors?
2015-09-20T08:13:26 < englishman> axe
2015-09-20T08:13:31 < kakimir> composite?
2015-09-20T08:13:33 < aandrew> I have some fiskars tools too
2015-09-20T08:13:37 < englishman> the handle is composite yes
2015-09-20T08:14:01 < kakimir> fiskars is the oldest corporation in finland
2015-09-20T08:14:01 < englishman> canada and fascist america are so different is not funny
2015-09-20T08:14:08 < aandrew> well
2015-09-20T08:14:17 < aandrew> we have a wannabe fascist in government right now
2015-09-20T08:14:19 < PeterM> i've got a pair of cutters made by fiskars, they're decent, but certainly not worth the price
2015-09-20T08:14:26 < englishman> fiskars axe is good axe. finns chop many good woods wow
2015-09-20T08:14:29 < aandrew> next month (one month exactly) we decide on whether we want him for another term or not
2015-09-20T08:14:54 < englishman> greatest province quebec votes for fascist english fucks to fuck off
2015-09-20T08:14:58 < aandrew> thing is he got only 37% of the vote last time but thanks to our assinine system he gets the keys to the country
2015-09-20T08:15:33 < aandrew> he loves american style government, tries to make Canada the same
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2015-09-20T08:21:11 < kakimir> how he is a facist?
2015-09-20T08:21:17 < aandrew> well let's see
2015-09-20T08:21:26 < kakimir> maybe he is in muricans pocket
2015-09-20T08:21:35 < aandrew> NONE of his subordinates are "allowed" to talk to the press on threat of demotion or termination
2015-09-20T08:21:50 < aandrew> ALL of the government's scientists are muzzled the same way
2015-09-20T08:22:12 < aandrew> ALL press contact is through his office and he refuses to answer questions
2015-09-20T08:22:13 < kakimir> secret mission "destroy canada"
2015-09-20T08:22:25 < aandrew> I don't doubt it
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2015-09-20T08:54:16 < upgrdman> aandrew, re: laminator. the $20 one i use is good for my application, but it's like the cheapest piece of shit you can get away with.
2015-09-20T08:54:41 < upgrdman> there's much better ones that support more temps, heat up/stay hot better, etc.
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2015-09-20T08:55:32 < upgrdman> and it prolly cost like $3 to make. it's just a pair of rollers, some heating element, and what looks like a 555 + triac or equiv
2015-09-20T08:55:52 < upgrdman> + geared AC motor to move the rollers
2015-09-20T08:56:45 < dongs> what's innovating
2015-09-20T08:57:01 < upgrdman> my sepic is LOL-worthy
2015-09-20T08:57:14 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/sepic_fast_pwm_ringing.png
2015-09-20T08:57:21 < dongs> i bet it would cost less to just use a proper contorller
2015-09-20T08:57:23 < dongs> instead of niggering shit up
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2015-09-20T08:57:38 < dongs> nice pix
2015-09-20T08:57:41 < upgrdman> of course
2015-09-20T08:57:45 < upgrdman> im just doing this to learn
2015-09-20T08:57:56 < upgrdman> would use a proper IC if i want something i can rely on
2015-09-20T08:58:41 < aandrew> I think it's awesome
2015-09-20T08:59:32 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-09-20T10:10:15 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKd3V2Wmt2OEF0ZEk/view?usp=docslist_api
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2015-09-20T10:20:43 < kakimir> just wanted to show 3phase plug of compressor
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2015-09-20T10:39:21 < Fleck> kakimir: yeah, thats common, why?
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2015-09-20T10:50:36 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRW9EQldHTVNqU1E/view?usp=docslist_api this one shows the height
2015-09-20T10:52:06 < dongs> what shit are you doing
2015-09-20T10:53:05 < kakimir> roof stuff
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2015-09-20T14:29:37 < dongs> http://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?p=11892#p11892 this is gonna be a fun thread to watch tomrorw
2015-09-20T14:36:29 < PeterM> i intended to make a shitty pwm temp controller + light controller this weekend - all i got done was pickin parts
2015-09-20T14:36:37 < PeterM> much waste
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2015-09-20T14:51:53 < dongs> https://tari.in/warnings/os/
2015-09-20T14:51:53 < dongs> haha
2015-09-20T14:51:57 < dongs> i clicked some link on this guys site
2015-09-20T14:51:58 < dongs> and got this
2015-09-20T14:53:18 < Steffanx> zano shipped?
2015-09-20T14:53:27 < dongs> Steffanx: nobody knows
2015-09-20T14:54:35 < Steffanx> but there is real footage of flying zano :o
2015-09-20T14:55:00 < BrainDamage> invisible strings
2015-09-20T14:55:00 < dongs> where?
2015-09-20T14:55:04 < dongs> in teh bbc article?
2015-09-20T14:55:06 < dongs> that looks liek shit.
2015-09-20T14:56:14 < Steffanx> vhttp://forum.flyzano.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=982 there.
2015-09-20T14:56:50 < Steffanx> and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeOJEDvK58A&feature=youtu.be
2015-09-20T14:58:44 < dongs> my CX-10C shipped
2015-09-20T14:58:52 < dongs> rumor is that has better video quality htan zano
2015-09-20T14:58:56 < dongs> and it was $27
2015-09-20T14:59:05 < dongs> http://www.banggood.com/Cheerson-CX-10C-CX10C-Mini-2_4G-4CH-6-Axis-RC-Quadcopter-with-Camera-RTF-p-989909.html
2015-09-20T14:59:22 < zyp> but it doesn't have CV for keeping the camera pointed at you!!
2015-09-20T14:59:32 < Steffanx> lol, was going to say that :P
2015-09-20T15:00:34 < Steffanx> 0.3MP yay
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2015-09-20T15:09:16 < mtbg> http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/
2015-09-20T15:09:20 < Steffanx> lol it just crashes when it goes out of range. .. that cx-10 -_-
2015-09-20T15:09:30 < mtbg> so it wasn't even his clock?
2015-09-20T15:09:59 < mtbg> he put parts from that stock vintage clock from ebay to the metal case
2015-09-20T15:13:32 < Steffanx> that's what that guy claims yes
2015-09-20T15:14:02 < PeterM> it certainly appears to be the case
2015-09-20T15:14:09 < PeterM> figuratively and literally
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2015-09-20T15:18:49 < Steffanx> but i cant care less about hyping media
2015-09-20T15:21:25 < ReadError> hand drawn traces?
2015-09-20T15:21:32 < ReadError> that looks like some generic china LCD board
2015-09-20T15:24:31 < mtbg> so I know more revelant people of his age to be invited to nasa, fb, twitter and white house
2015-09-20T15:24:56 < mtbg> relevant
2015-09-20T15:25:46 < ReadError> ya in HS we did drugs, not take apart shitty alarm clocks
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2015-09-20T15:49:41 < PeterM> ReadError, really?  in HS i gutted nokia 3310s and  mounted them inside ti-83s for moneyu
2015-09-20T15:54:31 < kakimir> why you keep posting that clock faggotry
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2015-09-20T16:07:55 < Laurenceb__> lol kakimir
2015-09-20T16:08:16 < Laurenceb__> anyone know a way to edit pdfs on linux?
2015-09-20T16:08:44 < Laurenceb__> one that doesnt involve inkscape as it screws all the fonts up
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2015-09-20T16:09:12 < BrainDamage> http://pdfedit.cz/en/index.html
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2015-09-20T16:53:14 < Laurenceb__> aha this looks useful
2015-09-20T16:53:14 < Laurenceb__> thanks
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2015-09-20T17:21:52 < fenugrec> I've edited PDFs by hand once. Doable but I wouldn't recommend it, you often end up with semi-broken files
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2015-09-20T17:24:53 < ReadError> something something...install a real OS
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2015-09-20T18:37:29 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/67935456/vgaduino-vga-graphic-shield-for-arduino-with-rgb-a?ref=category'
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2015-09-20T18:37:33 < dongs> lol
2015-09-20T18:38:42 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/land-boards/gvsduino?ref=category ??
2015-09-20T18:40:19 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/808254712/nibble-pocket-sized-arduino-wifi-oled-sd-card-ir?ref=category more aids
2015-09-20T18:41:45 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1333635737/smart-cpu-simple-multiple-alu-radiation-tolerant-c?ref=category haha wat
2015-09-20T18:41:56 < mtbg> what is the reason to use AVR for game consoles, when you can use something which can actually load a game and execute it from RAM
2015-09-20T18:42:04 < mtbg> without reprogramming flash?
2015-09-20T18:42:15 < dongs> reason: arduino
2015-09-20T18:43:24 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/chrisgerding/analog-pushbutton-for-makers-and-creative-control?ref=category ???????????????????
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2015-09-20T18:50:14 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-20T18:52:53 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/172204344/the-super-cool-electronic-voice-changer-set?ref=category
2015-09-20T18:52:56 < dongs> ...
2015-09-20T18:54:15 < dongs> oh wowwww
2015-09-20T18:54:20 < dongs> this guyt is a serial tarduino faggot
2015-09-20T18:54:22 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/172204344/created
2015-09-20T18:56:28 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/420233999/pi-lcd-a-simple-lcd-interface-board-for-your-raspb?ref=category
2015-09-20T18:58:32 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1175176293/vurja-power-switch-over-internet-internet-of-thing?ref=category wat could go wrong
2015-09-20T18:59:13 < dongs> haha its a female creature
2015-09-20T18:59:15 < dongs> from INDIA
2015-09-20T19:00:11 < dongs> needs 200k wat
2015-09-20T19:03:46 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/661957861/can-it-be?ref=category what an awful fucking logo
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2015-09-20T19:04:37 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2070029034/omega-processor?ref=category
2015-09-20T19:05:28 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1146929820/custom-water-cooled-laptop-backplate?ref=category haha
2015-09-20T19:06:10 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/99188248/app-to-monitor-speeding-teenagers?ref=category attn upgrdman
2015-09-20T19:07:10 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1894805531/logbook?ref=category haha
2015-09-20T19:07:14 < dongs> not the log you think
2015-09-20T19:07:14 < dongs> !
2015-09-20T19:10:08 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-20T19:10:38 < dongs> the google recruiter keeps fucking replying my emails
2015-09-20T19:10:42 < dongs> even tho I send one a week
2015-09-20T19:10:49 < dongs> and say that I'm sorry for late reply
2015-09-20T19:10:54 < dongs> and keep tel.ling him hes not intrested
2015-09-20T19:10:58 < dongs> err hes->im
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2015-09-20T19:13:55 < dongs> time to drive back home
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2015-09-20T19:31:52 < dongs> sup dongs
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2015-09-20T19:37:17 < Ecco> schizophrenia?
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2015-09-20T19:41:36 < dongs> you made emeb ragequit
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2015-09-20T19:47:23 < upgrdman> anyone seen something like this in real life?  http://imgur.com/tlQRv15
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2015-09-20T19:49:04 < dongs> quick, logbook it
2015-09-20T19:49:45 < dongs> mouser sent me order confirmation email
2015-09-20T19:49:50 < dongs> troll might be successful
2015-09-20T19:50:26 < upgrdman> you didnt think mouse would sell to you?
2015-09-20T19:50:33 < dongs> i paid with paypal, lol
2015-09-20T19:50:44 < dongs> from non-u.s. paypal account.
2015-09-20T19:50:56 < dongs> does mouser have liveshat
2015-09-20T19:50:59 < dongs> like digikey
2015-09-20T19:51:01 < dongs> or do i have to call them
2015-09-20T19:51:29 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/livechat/ this exists
2015-09-20T19:51:32 < dongs> but redirects to crap
2015-09-20T19:51:53 < dongs> ah, its not avilable now
2015-09-20T19:51:53 < dongs> too bad
2015-09-20T19:51:56 < dongs> digikey is 24 hours
2015-09-20T19:52:00 < dongs> even tho its some inian
2015-09-20T19:52:02 < dongs> indian
2015-09-20T19:53:34 < upgrdman> so many people who take paypal wont take non-usa paypal?
2015-09-20T19:53:47 < dongs> newegg, target, usps
2015-09-20T19:53:52 < dongs> thats pretty big
2015-09-20T19:53:59 < upgrdman> they wont? wow. that sux
2015-09-20T19:54:44 < dongs> yeah, beacuse me making a fake usa paypal with non-existent address and shit is safer then allowing international buyers
2015-09-20T19:55:09 < dongs> newegg gladly ships to unconfirmed address thats not even on file with my fakepaypal.
2015-09-20T19:55:11 < upgrdman> *nods*
2015-09-20T19:57:14 < dongs> o well let's see how it goes.
2015-09-20T19:57:26 < dongs> next level would be to get htem to cahnge shipping from alaska to japan
2015-09-20T19:57:33 < dongs> i may try their liveshat early monday morning
2015-09-20T19:57:35 < dongs> :D
2015-09-20T19:58:01 < ReadError> dongs u can try to set the shipping address diff than billing @ mouser
2015-09-20T19:58:14 < dongs> yea i know
2015-09-20T19:58:18 < ReadError> i think as long as ur mouser account is USA it unlocks paypal achievement
2015-09-20T19:58:32 < dongs> i guess that *should* work cuz englishman sends caps to me this way
2015-09-20T19:58:55 < ReadError> ya chatch sent me some shit from digikey
2015-09-20T19:59:08 < ReadError> so i guess they dont care as long as they get that $$
2015-09-20T19:59:19 < Taxman> digikey sells shit?
2015-09-20T19:59:48 < dongs> on ReadError's LAN, digikey.com resolves to http://shitsenders.com/order/
2015-09-20T20:00:06 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/a/K4FEx
2015-09-20T20:00:13 < ReadError> check out my new dongcopter
2015-09-20T20:00:24 < ReadError> I should post it to facebook and tag chad nocack
2015-09-20T20:00:28 < ReadError> so he can rage again
2015-09-20T20:01:40 < ReadError> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pk9o93jdxf2c5sa/Screen%20Shot%202015-09-15%20at%204.24.45%20PM.png?dl=0
2015-09-20T20:01:40 < ReadError> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qar4y6ct0inykfz/Screen%20Shot%202015-09-15%20at%204.24.54%20PM.png?dl=0
2015-09-20T20:01:40 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/eJ4jKlvi/
2015-09-20T20:01:40 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/gjKIMtd.png
2015-09-20T20:01:40 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/eu2R4QPP/
2015-09-20T20:01:40 < ReadError> https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5803/21264736038_f275c76919_c.jpg
2015-09-20T20:01:47 < ReadError> result from justnn's trollpost
2015-09-20T20:02:28 < karlp> -ETOOMANYURLS
2015-09-20T20:02:52 < dongs> funny level: rcgroups drama
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2015-09-20T20:06:53 < Steffann> No tom66...
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2015-09-20T20:18:51 < jpa-> dialog buys atmel - what will happen to arduino?!?
2015-09-20T20:19:25 < Ecco> There's a crazy consolidation going on in the semi market
2015-09-20T20:20:45 < Steffanx> never heard of dialog ..
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2015-09-20T20:37:23 < Taxman> digikey sells shit?
2015-09-20T20:37:29 < Taxman> sorry, repeat
2015-09-20T20:40:19 < zyp> sure, I'm buying shit from digikey all the time
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2015-09-20T20:47:22 < Laurenceb__> any libreoffice users in here?
2015-09-20T20:47:32 < Laurenceb__> or word for that matter, its probably similar
2015-09-20T20:47:33 < zyp> no, why would anybody use that?
2015-09-20T20:47:36 < Laurenceb__> lul
2015-09-20T20:47:47 < Laurenceb__> I need page headers with custom content
2015-09-20T20:48:00 < zyp> «edit page header/footer»?
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2015-09-20T20:50:09 < upgrdman> the arms on ReadError's quad look like dicks
2015-09-20T20:50:14 < upgrdman> and the purple screws...
2015-09-20T20:50:33 < upgrdman> and the lace chokers holding the escs on
2015-09-20T20:50:50 < ReadError> with enough imagination anything can look like a dick
2015-09-20T20:50:56 < upgrdman> looks like it should be fun to fly tho
2015-09-20T20:51:01 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-20T20:51:07 < zyp> upgrdman, uh, your dick sounds kinda weird
2015-09-20T20:51:30 < upgrdman> right
2015-09-20T20:51:58 < upgrdman> when i first looked at the second photo, i thought the arms were like 10mm thick. then i realized theyre just landing pads at the ends.
2015-09-20T20:52:04 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I0D6DPU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
2015-09-20T20:52:12 < ReadError> those ;)
2015-09-20T20:52:20 < ReadError> much cooler than normal zipties
2015-09-20T20:52:29 < ReadError> ya the things at the tip are tardskidders
2015-09-20T20:52:34 < ReadError> for flying over pavement
2015-09-20T20:52:52 < upgrdman> ReadError, reminds of this fuckery  http://img05.deviantart.net/ff8d/i/2010/043/9/b/personalized_chain_choker_by_hoshisamavalmor.jpg
2015-09-20T20:53:01 < ReadError> lol
2015-09-20T20:53:05 < ReadError> I guess it could be
2015-09-20T20:53:16 < ReadError> they are softer than zipties and stretch a bit
2015-09-20T20:53:36 < upgrdman> like something an emo teen girl would wear
2015-09-20T20:53:52 < upgrdman> along with black nail polish, studded belts, etc.
2015-09-20T20:54:54 < Steffanx> Whats wrong with that?
2015-09-20T20:56:09 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-09-20T21:14:04 < upgrdman> R2COM, <ReadError> http://imgur.com/a/K4FEx
2015-09-20T21:14:48 < upgrdman> yes. yes it is.
2015-09-20T21:15:05 < ReadError> pretty much
2015-09-20T21:17:35 < Steffanx> personal preferences?
2015-09-20T21:19:03 < upgrdman> easystar
2015-09-20T21:19:30 < upgrdman> dont buy a kit if your a noob
2015-09-20T21:19:38 < upgrdman> that first link is an easystar clone
2015-09-20T21:21:04 < upgrdman> R2COM, kits dont come with electronics usally, and also assume you know what youre doing. so very little advise, if any, in the manual
2015-09-20T21:21:16 < upgrdman> first
2015-09-20T21:21:20 < upgrdman> if its RTF
2015-09-20T21:21:35 < upgrdman> ready to fly
2015-09-20T21:21:38 < upgrdman> and looks like its not
2015-09-20T21:21:43 < upgrdman> you need to provide your own radio and lipo
2015-09-20T21:21:48 < upgrdman> gay
2015-09-20T21:21:53 < upgrdman> gimma a sec
2015-09-20T21:22:10 < upgrdman> true
2015-09-20T21:22:32 < upgrdman> but if you need it all, and dont have preferences for quality, it much cheaper to buy RTF than piece meal
2015-09-20T21:22:52 < upgrdman> ok sure, if you plan to be in RC for a while, definitely buy a nice one
2015-09-20T21:23:12 < upgrdman> if you're not sure... but a cheap RTF and see if RC is for you
2015-09-20T21:23:20 < upgrdman> not the second. it's a kit.
2015-09-20T21:23:49 < upgrdman> also, balsa models are more of a pain to repair. and you
2015-09-20T21:24:01 < upgrdman> also, balsa models are more of a pain to repair. and you're a noob, so you will crash it on your first day out
2015-09-20T21:24:18 < upgrdman> foam is MORE durable that wood is most cases
2015-09-20T21:24:28 < upgrdman> also foam is fucking trivial to fix
2015-09-20T21:24:52 < upgrdman> no you get foam-safe ca, foam-safe accelerator... and like two seconds and it's glued back together and ready to fly
2015-09-20T21:24:58 < zyp> I remember one of my friends bought a cheap rtf plane
2015-09-20T21:25:13 < zyp> after a few flights, it was more glue than foam
2015-09-20T21:25:26 < upgrdman> ya you're going to crash almost immediately. and thats ok, but realize it.
2015-09-20T21:26:39 < upgrdman> R2COM will do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hpv6N5ly0I
2015-09-20T21:26:54 < upgrdman> R2COM, no it can be lighter. because its mostly hollow air cavities
2015-09-20T21:27:08 < upgrdman> balsa is often better, but more of a bitch to fix
2015-09-20T21:28:24 < upgrdman> R2COM, and i know you don't want to hear this, but seriously: buy one of the RC flight sims. with a fake transmitter. it helps a fuck ton. and no, your flight sim games do not compare.
2015-09-20T21:28:53 < ReadError> R2COM you can get a bixler
2015-09-20T21:30:38 < ReadError> allmighty 10-in-1
2015-09-20T21:30:39 < upgrdman> ya they will
2015-09-20T21:30:46 < ReadError> usb dongle emulator
2015-09-20T21:30:48 < upgrdman> BUY ONE WITH A FAKE TRANSMITTER
2015-09-20T21:30:53 < upgrdman> that is the MOST IMPORTANT part
2015-09-20T21:30:57 < upgrdman> and yes, it will be $100+
2015-09-20T21:31:04 < ReadError> http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-12-in-1-USB-2_0-Dongle-Almighty-Flight-Simulator--p-57051.html
2015-09-20T21:31:09 < ReadError> you need a transmitter tho
2015-09-20T21:31:11 < ReadError> ya
2015-09-20T21:31:16 < upgrdman> but you need it if you don't want to crash non stop in real life
2015-09-20T21:31:40 < upgrdman> i have the Phoenix Sim, but i use my own real transmitter with it
2015-09-20T21:31:46 < upgrdman> realflight is very nice too
2015-09-20T21:31:50 < upgrdman> i have only flown those two
2015-09-20T21:32:19 < upgrdman> you plug a dongle into the tx trainer port
2015-09-20T21:32:26 < upgrdman> and a usb dongle plugs into that dongle
2015-09-20T21:32:45 < upgrdman> usb -> mcu in dongle -> plug for your tx -> your tx
2015-09-20T21:33:01 < ReadError> yes, basically decodes PPM (pwm)
2015-09-20T21:33:14 < ReadError> but also emulates the hardware dongle from the sims
2015-09-20T21:33:31 < ReadError> no
2015-09-20T21:33:34 < ReadError> its from china
2015-09-20T21:33:35 < ReadError> 12$
2015-09-20T21:33:40 < ReadError> comes w/ 2 DVDs full of shit
2015-09-20T21:34:47 < upgrdman> R2COM, this is how i sim: http://www.rcheliguy.com/images/sd10g.jpg
2015-09-20T21:34:54 < upgrdman> old ass photo tho. like four years ago
2015-09-20T21:35:59 < upgrdman> there's also a bunch of old ass RC stuff i have done in that dir    http://www.rcheliguy.com/images/
2015-09-20T21:36:36 < upgrdman> my favorite toy when i was in rc  http://www.rcheliguy.com/images/stripes_overview2.jpg
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2015-09-20T21:38:33 < ReadError> R2COM order that 12$ BG thing
2015-09-20T21:38:39 < ReadError> then you can get a cheap TX
2015-09-20T21:38:43 < ReadError> and have everything for cheap
2015-09-20T21:39:15 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/Walkera-DEVO-7E-Control-Transmitter-Channel/dp/B00B3OCRTY
2015-09-20T21:39:19 < ReadError> http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-12-in-1-USB-2_0-Dongle-Almighty-Flight-Simulator--p-57051.html
2015-09-20T21:40:38 < ReadError> yea but I think the sim may come on the bootleg dvds
2015-09-20T21:41:07 < ReadError> Support G5 / Phoenix / XTR / Aerofly / VRC / FMS
2015-09-20T21:41:34 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Phone/i-qSdQtVn/0/1973x1512/CA_09201403073999-1973x1512.jpg
2015-09-20T21:41:37 < ReadError> it comes w/ that
2015-09-20T21:41:45 < ReadError> NBA banana DVDs
2015-09-20T21:42:54 < ReadError> hehe you arent getting it
2015-09-20T21:43:08 < ReadError> its chinese pirated usb dongle emulator
2015-09-20T21:43:14 < ReadError> aka cloned shit
2015-09-20T21:44:03 < ReadError> cloned from hardware thats included in the 200$ sims
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2015-09-20T21:46:01 < ReadError> it works with all of them
2015-09-20T21:46:12 < ReadError> thats why its the 'almighty'
2015-09-20T21:47:28 < ReadError> well yea, they arent going to list chinese cloned devices on their site
2015-09-20T21:47:44 < ReadError> yes
2015-09-20T21:48:55 < ReadError> the almighty comes w/ the cable
2015-09-20T21:49:00 < ReadError> you simply plug it up and it works
2015-09-20T21:50:10 < ReadError> lol no
2015-09-20T21:50:25 < ReadError> you dont need the 2.4ghz thing
2015-09-20T21:51:02 < ReadError> yes
2015-09-20T21:53:37 < ReadError> that doesnt even come w/ the software heh
2015-09-20T21:53:44 < ReadError> or you can spend 12$ on banggood
2015-09-20T21:54:28 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/LfCiS2J.png
2015-09-20T21:55:37 < ReadError> yes
2015-09-20T21:55:40 < ReadError> and the sim
2015-09-20T21:55:45 < ReadError> it does
2015-09-20T21:55:50 < ReadError> a dickload of them
2015-09-20T21:55:54 < ReadError> 2 dvds full
2015-09-20T21:56:30 < Tectu> stop that language.
2015-09-20T21:57:48 < ReadError> should yes
2015-09-20T21:57:57 < Steffanx> i think ReadError tries to say it comes with a warezzed version.
2015-09-20T21:58:05 < ReadError> ^
2015-09-20T21:58:17 < ReadError> well theres no crack
2015-09-20T21:58:26 < ReadError> since it uses a hardware 'key'
2015-09-20T21:58:43 < ReadError> aerofly hasnt been updated since 2014
2015-09-20T21:58:56 < ReadError> theres other good stuff
2015-09-20T21:58:59 < ReadError> phoenix is good
2015-09-20T22:00:20 < ReadError> its for orientation
2015-09-20T22:00:25 < ReadError> etc
2015-09-20T22:00:31 < ReadError> muscle memory
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2015-09-20T22:01:42 < ReadError> well controls are different
2015-09-20T22:01:46 < ReadError> 2x 2axis gimbals
2015-09-20T22:03:49 < ReadError> pretty much any tx yes
2015-09-20T22:04:22 < ReadError> depends on mfg
2015-09-20T22:04:39 < ReadError> the devo 7e has a stm32
2015-09-20T22:04:44 < ReadError> and can emulate many protocols
2015-09-20T22:07:03 < ReadError> maybe
2015-09-20T22:07:06 < ReadError> not used that one
2015-09-20T22:07:51 < ReadError> yes many here have used it im sure
2015-09-20T22:14:11 < ReadError> depends on how much you wanna blow
2015-09-20T22:16:10 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/Walkera-DEVO-7E-Control-Transmitter-Channel/dp/B00B3OCRTY/
2015-09-20T22:16:15 < ReadError> thats a good deal
2015-09-20T22:16:25 < ReadError> they kinda go from like 60 straight to 200
2015-09-20T22:17:10 < Steffanx> What's the range of such cheapish transmitter?
2015-09-20T22:17:50 < ReadError> frsky taranis
2015-09-20T22:18:44 < ReadError> Steffanx if you remove the diode in the 60$ one, its 100mW
2015-09-20T22:18:48 < ReadError> good for a few km
2015-09-20T22:20:01 < ReadError> its good stuff though
2015-09-20T22:21:18 < ReadError> garbo
2015-09-20T22:21:31 < ReadError> turnigy tx have historically sucked
2015-09-20T22:21:35 < ReadError> bad software on that etc
2015-09-20T22:21:55 < englishman> Devo7e doesn't have colour lcd
2015-09-20T22:22:19 < englishman> Its a lot smaller than taranis, I used this on eurotrip it was easier to pack
2015-09-20T22:22:48 < englishman> Very dif ergonomics and software
2015-09-20T22:23:03 < ReadError> englishman ya but for the price its not bad
2015-09-20T22:23:10 < ReadError> and for sim use
2015-09-20T22:23:17 < englishman> Ya devo7e is great
2015-09-20T22:23:22 < englishman> I'm just comparing
2015-09-20T22:23:33 < englishman> Turnigy = don't bother
2015-09-20T22:23:42 < ReadError> nobody has been dumb enough to buy it R2COM
2015-09-20T22:23:44 < ReadError> so who knows
2015-09-20T22:24:10 < ReadError> if you can afford the taranis, its great
2015-09-20T22:24:16 < ReadError> if not, grab the devo
2015-09-20T22:24:21 < englishman> Taranis is the best radio overall IMO even vs $1200 radios
2015-09-20T22:24:58 < englishman> Devo7e is great if you don't want to spend $200
2015-09-20T22:25:20 < englishman> You want a mode 2
2015-09-20T22:25:28 < ReadError> also find something in the USA
2015-09-20T22:25:33 < englishman> Other option is with RX or not
2015-09-20T22:25:33 < ReadError> same price, no rape shipping
2015-09-20T22:25:48 < englishman> GetFPV has stock
2015-09-20T22:26:00 < englishman> Do you have a plane in mind?
2015-09-20T22:26:20 < englishman> The RX it comes with is kinda big
2015-09-20T22:26:29 < englishman> 4ch RX is easier to use
2015-09-20T22:26:43 < ReadError> englishman hes doin fixed wang
2015-09-20T22:26:46 < ReadError> so the x8r is good
2015-09-20T22:26:51 < Lux> ya, most people fly mode 1, but can still change it on the transmitter afterwards
2015-09-20T22:26:53 < englishman> 1st is no rx 3rd is with rx
2015-09-20T22:26:56 < Lux> so not that important
2015-09-20T22:27:04 < englishman> Meh I still like 4ch in fixed wing
2015-09-20T22:27:07 < ReadError> most use mode 2 i thought?
2015-09-20T22:27:13 < englishman> Mode1 is ausfags
2015-09-20T22:27:18 < ReadError> only japs and stuff use mode1
2015-09-20T22:27:21 < englishman> Ya
2015-09-20T22:27:24 < Lux> mode1 is right throttle ?
2015-09-20T22:27:30 < Lux> sry mixed that up
2015-09-20T22:27:30 < englishman> ^ ya
2015-09-20T22:27:39 < Lux> mode 2 is used normally
2015-09-20T22:28:02 < ReadError> you dont want some dumb color LCD trust me
2015-09-20T22:28:03 < englishman> You don't look at it when flying
2015-09-20T22:28:17 < ReadError> if you gotta use it in the sun for example
2015-09-20T22:28:17 < Lux> voice output is much more useful imo
2015-09-20T22:28:27 < englishman> Yea, its great
2015-09-20T22:28:35 < englishman> It yells at you when your battery is low
2015-09-20T22:28:44 < Lux> you can just put it on a switch and let it tell you telemetry etc
2015-09-20T22:29:07 < englishman> Tuenigay ux probably horrrible
2015-09-20T22:29:08 < ReadError> frsky rx are around 20-25$
2015-09-20T22:29:17 < englishman> Anycheapass frsky rx
2015-09-20T22:29:56 < englishman> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__1425__1423__Radios_Receivers-Receivers.html
2015-09-20T22:30:01 < englishman> Right
2015-09-20T22:30:01 < ReadError> why would you want to use another brand
2015-09-20T22:30:05 < ReadError> frsky is the bestest
2015-09-20T22:30:33 < englishman> You can plug a dif module in the module bay if u want
2015-09-20T22:30:40 < englishman> Like for ham radios
2015-09-20T22:30:48 < englishman> 433/910MHz
2015-09-20T22:30:52 < englishman> Or, spektrum module
2015-09-20T22:32:15 < ReadError> yea but dont order from HK
2015-09-20T22:32:25 < ReadError> it will ship from hongkong
2015-09-20T22:32:32 < ReadError> and you will pay a lot
2015-09-20T22:32:39 < ReadError> you can get them in the USA + free shipping
2015-09-20T22:32:43 < ReadError> for about the same price
2015-09-20T22:33:00 < ReadError> you dont need that v8r4
2015-09-20T22:33:04 < ReadError> it comes w/ a RX
2015-09-20T22:34:54 < ReadError> yes same rx
2015-09-20T22:35:47 < ReadError> sure theres some place with em
2015-09-20T22:37:05 < ReadError> yes
2015-09-20T22:38:43 < englishman> http://www.getfpv.com/frsky-taranis-x9d-plus-2-4ghz-accst-radio-x8r-combo-mode-2.html
2015-09-20T22:38:47 < englishman> in stock ReadError is just retarded
2015-09-20T22:39:08 < englishman> or since R2COM is in boston, retahhhhhded
2015-09-20T22:39:15 < ReadError> ah just no case
2015-09-20T22:39:31 < ReadError> the case is dumb anyways
2015-09-20T22:39:35 < englishman> so dumb
2015-09-20T22:39:44 < englishman> then get some of these http://www.getfpv.com/radios/receivers/frsky-d4r-ii-4ch-2-4ghz-accst-receiver-w-telemetry.html
2015-09-20T22:39:51 < englishman> and a bixler from hobbyking usa
2015-09-20T22:39:57 < englishman> and some batts and chargers
2015-09-20T22:39:59 < englishman> then go fly
2015-09-20T22:40:05 < englishman> congrats you are now fpv terrorist
2015-09-20T22:40:16 < englishman> conducting illegal spy drone flights
2015-09-20T22:40:50 < englishman> maybe one day you will fly as good as me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krqzuw22sDI
2015-09-20T22:41:29 < Laurenceb__> arg encyclopedia dramatica
2015-09-20T22:41:36 < Laurenceb__> why is there no mick philpott page
2015-09-20T22:42:05 < ReadError> why havent you made one Laurenceb
2015-09-20T22:42:41 < ReadError> englishman qwuad?
2015-09-20T22:42:48 < englishman> yes quad
2015-09-20T22:42:58 < englishman> R2COM: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18083__HobbyKing_8482_Bixler_8482_v1_1_EPO_1400mm_ARF_US_Warehouse_.html
2015-09-20T22:43:26 < Laurenceb__> he deserves one, famous and influential englishman we can all look up to
2015-09-20T22:44:13 < englishman> is excellent for noobs
2015-09-20T22:44:16 < englishman> its a noob plane
2015-09-20T22:44:23 < englishman> but you can also grow with it
2015-09-20T22:44:29 < Laurenceb__> tbh wiki page has enough lulz
2015-09-20T22:44:32 < Laurenceb__> In the documentary, Philpott was shown to be living in a caravan in his garden, in which his wife and mistress would alternate in spending nights with him. Widdecombe said that Philpott did not care about anyone and that he called both his wife and mistress "bitch"
2015-09-20T22:44:49 < Laurenceb__> I met this guy irl once :D
2015-09-20T22:45:09 < englishman> its a bit faster and more fragile
2015-09-20T22:45:15 < englishman> escs are like $10
2015-09-20T22:45:42 < Laurenceb__> has anyone gutted a tbs crossfire yet?
2015-09-20T22:45:51 < Laurenceb__> I'd like to see the RF hardware
2015-09-20T22:45:58 < englishman> example bixler video https://youtu.be/q-tWKnS4iaw?t=1m50s
2015-09-20T22:46:09 < englishman> nobody has em yet trollenceb they just started shippin
2015-09-20T22:46:26 < ReadError> people have them, they are just too lame to take them apart
2015-09-20T22:46:36 < englishman> mine hasnt shipped yet
2015-09-20T22:47:20 < englishman> ya
2015-09-20T22:47:47 < englishman> ya
2015-09-20T22:48:09 < englishman> ya
2015-09-20T22:48:16 < upgrdman> i wish someone would start making RC radios with quality displays. like cell phone quality. ips.
2015-09-20T22:48:20 < ReadError> isnt there a large FPV terrorist cell in bawstan?
2015-09-20T22:48:25 < englishman> ya
2015-09-20T22:48:47 < englishman> more dixler video https://youtu.be/R4K3klb3CSs?t=2m50s
2015-09-20T22:49:04 < Steffanx> something makes me thing dongs made that airplane.
2015-09-20T22:49:24 < englishman> that video has a little naze32 inside with a minimosd
2015-09-20T22:49:29 < englishman> the video is overlayed inside the plane
2015-09-20T22:49:50 < englishman> wat? yes it is
2015-09-20T22:50:02 < englishman> the video is what im seeing in the goggles
2015-09-20T22:50:05 < englishman> yes
2015-09-20T22:50:12 < englishman> some use screens i use goggles
2015-09-20T22:50:30 < englishman> $6 2.4g transmitter from goodluckbuy
2015-09-20T22:50:39 < englishman> and at this time lawmate rx
2015-09-20T22:50:47 < englishman> now i use team blacksheep rx but its same shit
2015-09-20T22:50:51 < englishman> the plane did@
2015-09-20T22:50:52 < englishman> !!
2015-09-20T22:51:06 < englishman> but who was phone
2015-09-20T22:51:15 < Steffanx> What's the voices you hear in that video englishman? You?
2015-09-20T22:51:28 < englishman> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/2-4g-200mw-wireless-av-transmitter-module-for-fpv-system.html
2015-09-20T22:51:33 < englishman> this is video transmitter
2015-09-20T22:51:44 < englishman> i used this one at 4km with the stupid antenna it comes with
2015-09-20T22:52:15 < englishman> i have dozens of these they are awesome
2015-09-20T22:52:16 < englishman> yhes
2015-09-20T22:52:19 < englishman> just add $9 camera
2015-09-20T22:52:24 < englishman> tv quality
2015-09-20T22:52:27 < englishman> cable tv
2015-09-20T22:52:46 < englishman> i use zeiss cinemizer goggles
2015-09-20T22:52:59 < englishman> but you can get a screen for like $25
2015-09-20T22:53:43 < englishman> not really i dont use them myself
2015-09-20T22:54:18 < englishman> http://www.myrcmart.com/rc-accessories-fpv-first-person-view-c-22_333.html
2015-09-20T22:54:23 < englishman> a pal bought some of these screens
2015-09-20T22:54:25 < englishman> should be good
2015-09-20T22:54:38 < ReadError> screens lack the immersionrc
2015-09-20T22:54:40 < englishman> "snowflake screen" means you see static instead of bluescreen
2015-09-20T22:54:49 < englishman> cuz bluescreening is annoying as fuck as signal drops
2015-09-20T22:55:46 < englishman> right
2015-09-20T22:55:49 < englishman> but
2015-09-20T22:55:55 < englishman> notice that your rc is 2.4g
2015-09-20T22:56:00 < englishman> so using 2.4g video is a nogo
2015-09-20T22:56:01 < englishman> rite
2015-09-20T22:56:17 < englishman> the video tx knocks out your rc rx
2015-09-20T22:56:25 < englishman> so your shit will fall out of the sky at 50ft
2015-09-20T22:56:28 < englishman> ask how we know
2015-09-20T22:56:40 < englishman> which is why 5.8g video is mega popular
2015-09-20T22:57:04 < englishman> i wouldnty buy from hobbywireless
2015-09-20T22:57:09 < englishman> but i use a taranis yes
2015-09-20T22:57:15 < englishman> getfpv
2015-09-20T22:57:18 < englishman> since they ahve stock
2015-09-20T22:57:26 < englishman> or multirotorsuperstore or aloft hobbies but theyre out of stock
2015-09-20T22:57:37 < englishman> or hobbyking but fuck them too
2015-09-20T22:58:53 < ReadError> the case is cardboard + aluminum foil
2015-09-20T23:01:35 < ReadError> its a mono 3.5mm jack
2015-09-20T23:02:00 < englishman> "trainer port" is where you plug it
2015-09-20T23:02:21 < englishman> ehh
2015-09-20T23:02:31 < englishman> i think i bought some junk from them once
2015-09-20T23:02:36 < englishman> its same taranis as every where else
2015-09-20T23:02:51 < englishman> shops been around a while
2015-09-20T23:05:54 < englishman> taranis has built in nimh charger and wall wart
2015-09-20T23:05:59 < englishman> so dont need one for that
2015-09-20T23:06:07 < upgrdman> i have a reaktor from hobbyking. its nice, cheap and powerful
2015-09-20T23:06:11 < upgrdman> $50 for 250W charger
2015-09-20T23:06:12 < englishman> to get started accucel-6 from hobbyking did me well for a long time
2015-09-20T23:06:40 < upgrdman> R2COM, do you plan to get big electric models in the future? or just small stuff
2015-09-20T23:06:57 < upgrdman> get a good charger then
2015-09-20T23:06:59 < upgrdman> >200W
2015-09-20T23:07:01 < englishman> get a powerlab
2015-09-20T23:07:10 < englishman> and some dell server psus
2015-09-20T23:07:14 < englishman> to charge at 5000W
2015-09-20T23:07:21 < upgrdman> i have this  http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__66718__Turnigy_Reaktor_250W_10A_1_6S_Balance_Charger.html
2015-09-20T23:08:39 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-20T23:08:51 < upgrdman> it needs DC input tho. so car battery, or lab psu or atx psu
2015-09-20T23:15:12 < karlp> foam is bouncy enough to land on grass
2015-09-20T23:15:20 < karlp> no passengers to worry about shocks ;)
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2015-09-20T23:15:52 < upgrdman> "please returns your tables to the upright and locked positions"
2015-09-20T23:16:04 < upgrdman> "expecting turbulance"
2015-09-20T23:17:24 < karlp> man, facebook open graph intepretation is shit
2015-09-20T23:17:54 < karlp> it interpolates <img src="../filename.jpg"> as http://domain/filename.jpg.
2015-09-20T23:18:04 < karlp> completely fails to construct a relative url like any sane person.
2015-09-20T23:18:06 < karlp> dipshits.
2015-09-20T23:18:33 < karlp> they want me to add a special og:image tag with the ful url. totally fucking up relative content.
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2015-09-20T23:47:40 < upgrdman> R2COM, finally a good use for old tv antennas:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tavPaYLlR6I
2015-09-20T23:48:43 < ReadError> R2COM
2015-09-20T23:48:46 < ReadError> buy taranis
2015-09-20T23:48:48 < ReadError> buy sim
2015-09-20T23:48:59 < ReadError> then we worry about the rest once you can fly
2015-09-20T23:49:30 < ReadError> yes
2015-09-20T23:51:08 < upgrdman> yes :(
2015-09-20T23:52:05 < upgrdman> but that's ok, i have these at work: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/voltage_multiplier.jpg
2015-09-20T23:52:56 < upgrdman> power supply for xray generator
2015-09-20T23:53:15 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-09-21T00:04:43 < upgrdman> i dont know for sure about that one, but based on it's side, i think its for xraying baggage
2015-09-21T00:05:05 < upgrdman> or a small food safety scanner
2015-09-21T00:05:15 < upgrdman> s/side/size
2015-09-21T00:05:38 < upgrdman> the stuff for xraying entire shipping containers is HUGE. like too heavy to hold
2015-09-21T00:05:43 < upgrdman> *nods*
2015-09-21T00:05:53 < upgrdman> oh noes
2015-09-21T00:07:02 < zyp> R2COM, not all people are gay and need to resort to that sort of sex like you
2015-09-21T00:10:48 < upgrdman> his comments are "for inserting into ass"
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2015-09-21T00:12:29 < upgrdman> neat  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCDIuZUfETc&feature=youtu.be
2015-09-21T00:13:50 < zyp> R2COM, yeah, I don't want any dicks in my mouth
2015-09-21T00:13:54 < zyp> do you?
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2015-09-21T00:27:17 < gxti> much engineering going on i see
2015-09-21T00:29:46 < gxti> there is no need to be upset, my friend
2015-09-21T00:30:32 < upgrdman> s/upset/butt hurt
2015-09-21T00:31:26 < upgrdman> should
2015-09-21T00:31:33 < upgrdman> but i have never used that radio
2015-09-21T00:31:40 < upgrdman> i have an airtronics sd-10g
2015-09-21T00:32:19 < upgrdman> yes but i wouldn't buy one. super ugly, overprice rx's, no clones
2015-09-21T00:32:26 < upgrdman> prolly
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2015-09-21T00:32:32 < upgrdman> it's a japanese radio
2015-09-21T00:32:59 < upgrdman> sanwa is the .jp company, airtronics is just the name it's solder under in north america
2015-09-21T00:33:09 < upgrdman> brb
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2015-09-21T00:45:39 < upgrdman> R2COM, i like the feel of Futaba gimbals, and i like the style of Futaba and JR
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2015-09-21T00:48:25 < karlp> upgrdman: love those kreosan guys :)
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2015-09-21T00:49:12 < upgrdman> karlp, ya they lots of fun stuff
2015-09-21T00:49:27 < karlp> glad to see they're still alive.
2015-09-21T00:56:24 < upgrdman> the gimbals on futaba radios feel nice to me.
2015-09-21T00:56:28 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-21T00:56:35 < upgrdman> the sticks... are on gimbals
2015-09-21T01:03:09 < upgrdman> going hard is easy
2015-09-21T01:03:14 < upgrdman> you can change springs
2015-09-21T01:03:38 < upgrdman> and if you like stiff gimbals, you wont mind the cheap radio so much.
2015-09-21T01:03:52 < upgrdman> most of the quality goes into making them feel smoother, which you wouldnt notice as much
2015-09-21T01:04:42 < upgrdman> R2COM, dongs:  http://i.imgur.com/jDEMnJr.gif
2015-09-21T01:06:22 < Laurenceb__> dat gif
2015-09-21T01:06:26 < Laurenceb__> waiting for doood
2015-09-21T01:07:03 < Laurenceb__> lulyes
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2015-09-21T01:12:15 < upgrdman> Laurenceb__, you see the guy's reaction in the corner, right?
2015-09-21T01:12:19 < upgrdman> priceless
2015-09-21T01:13:14 < Laurenceb__> no shit sherlock
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2015-09-21T01:20:43 < Roklobsta> how did your SEPIC go?
2015-09-21T01:22:07 < Laurenceb__> whos?
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2015-09-21T01:22:50 < Roklobsta> upgrdman:
2015-09-21T01:23:20  * Laurenceb__ likes to SEPIC everything
2015-09-21T01:23:29 < upgrdman> Roklobsta, my new gate driver makes the gate rings like a fucking bell :)
2015-09-21T01:23:56 < Laurenceb__> but SEPIC will bite you in the ass if you dont get it 100% right
2015-09-21T01:24:02 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/sepic_fast_pwm_ringing.png
2015-09-21T01:24:02 < Laurenceb__> heh what upgrdman said
2015-09-21T01:24:17 < Laurenceb__> heh I've seen that
2015-09-21T01:24:25 < Laurenceb__> mine issue was layout related
2015-09-21T01:24:27 < Laurenceb__> *my
2015-09-21T01:24:37 < upgrdman> my issue is 6" leads for gate/source
2015-09-21T01:24:44 < upgrdman> because im doing a ghetto prototype
2015-09-21T01:24:49 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-09-21T01:24:57 < Roklobsta> kill the parasites.  with DDT.
2015-09-21T01:24:59 < Laurenceb__> I had parasitic inductance on a PCB
2015-09-21T01:25:26 < Laurenceb__> also SPICE is your friend
2015-09-21T01:25:27 < upgrdman> long traces?
2015-09-21T01:25:28 < Roklobsta> try follow the layout guide on the data sheet
2015-09-21T01:25:30 < BrainDamage> on my dcdc i get ringing even just from the scope probes if i don't use the spring clip
2015-09-21T01:25:54 < Laurenceb__> SPICE everything with the most accurate models you can find
2015-09-21T01:26:16 < Roklobsta> then add low esr caps.
2015-09-21T01:26:18 < upgrdman> ya i was able to duplicate my waveforms in ltspice
2015-09-21T01:26:44 < upgrdman> it doesn't help that my fets have FUCK TONS of input capacitance. almost 10nF
2015-09-21T01:27:05 < Roklobsta> i am surprised ltspice ever agreed to run. 'You want me to model this!?...'
2015-09-21T01:27:21 < BrainDamage> you can force sims to like dcdc
2015-09-21T01:27:34 < BrainDamage> like explicitly adding cap loading to switch nodes
2015-09-21T01:27:47 < BrainDamage> so that during small timesteps it never ends up floating
2015-09-21T01:27:56 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: can you add a another fet driver?
2015-09-21T01:27:57 < upgrdman> i learned that ltspice will gladly simulate PWM with zero rise/fall time... by assigning some rise/fall time of its choosing. instead of warning like a good tool should
2015-09-21T01:28:18 < upgrdman> Roklobsta, my gate driver isn't the problem. it can do 4A
2015-09-21T01:28:25 < upgrdman> the problem is 6" flying wires
2015-09-21T01:28:34 < Roklobsta> yeah, i have fixed it in the past with forcing Tstep and Trise/fall like you did
2015-09-21T01:29:06 < Roklobsta> well
2015-09-21T01:29:18 < Roklobsta> nothing like a short wide trace and a big fat groundplane
2015-09-21T01:32:22 < upgrdman> i still dont know how to pick the capacitance of a SEPICs coupling cap.
2015-09-21T01:32:54 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: bastard, what rigol is that?
2015-09-21T01:33:13 < upgrdman> ds4014
2015-09-21T01:33:19 < Roklobsta> i have the 1052e without the 100MHz hack (yet)
2015-09-21T01:33:29 < upgrdman> :(
2015-09-21T01:33:42 < upgrdman> i had an 1102e (bought it before i heard about the hack)
2015-09-21T01:34:08 < emeb> very hi-res screen-cap there.
2015-09-21T01:34:17 < emeb> is that what the screen actually looks like?
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2015-09-21T01:34:44 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-21T01:35:02 < emeb> v. nice
2015-09-21T01:35:09 < upgrdman> big screen
2015-09-21T01:35:10 < upgrdman> thx
2015-09-21T01:35:12 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/new_meter.jpg
2015-09-21T01:36:14 < Roklobsta> not bad for an amateur.  I see you hamster is about to get a segway
2015-09-21T01:36:43 < fenugrec> upgrdman so you got one of those blue Hakko stations before they discontinued the version with the roto-knob and replaced them with the stupid-ass single-button "digital" interface
2015-09-21T01:37:10 < Roklobsta> i see a 1052e with a 1" layer of dust
2015-09-21T01:37:42 < Roklobsta> we have the same generic chinese air gun
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2015-09-21T01:38:55 < Roklobsta> i am sure it'll burn the house down one day
2015-09-21T01:39:54 < fenugrec> http://www.hakkousa.com/detail.asp?CID=49&PID=4800&Page=1 vs  http://www.hakkousa.com/detail.asp?CID=49,351&PID=5085&Page=1 , avoid FX-888D like cancerous ebola plague diarrhea
2015-09-21T01:40:20 < fenugrec> I'll stick with my 936-12 p-)
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2015-09-21T01:50:06 < upgrdman> fenugrec, ya. lucky me :)
2015-09-21T01:50:41 < upgrdman> Roklobsta, that photo is a year old. i have since sold my 1102e
2015-09-21T01:51:46 < upgrdman> and i got a clone 936 iron holder, so i can use a proper sponge
2015-09-21T01:52:17 < upgrdman> i love the square sponge with center hole. so useful and you just rotate or flip when it gets worn out
2015-09-21T01:52:26 < fenugrec> upgrdman is there any other kind ? p-)
2015-09-21T01:52:45 < upgrdman> the 888 sponge is stupid
2015-09-21T01:52:54 < upgrdman> looks like it was designed by an art major
2015-09-21T01:53:32 < fenugrec> heheh. Like the rest of the thing
2015-09-21T01:53:53 < upgrdman> fischer price :(
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2015-09-21T02:09:21 < emeb> "The worst people are computer nerds who like sports because then there's literally nothing you want to hear them talk about."
2015-09-21T02:10:56 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-09-21T02:25:07 < upgrdman> LOLOL  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3WaVactj5M&feature=youtu.be
2015-09-21T02:25:34 < Getty> oh damn that was now an evil one... oh damn..... casting casting casting casting....
2015-09-21T02:27:56 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://i.imgur.com/BfyAD23.gifv
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2015-09-21T02:30:11 < upgrdman> :) http://imgur.com/jhQs9gx
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2015-09-21T02:46:46 < upgrdman> :)
2015-09-21T02:47:14 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-09-21T03:52:17 < upgrdman> nitro, but not gasoline
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2015-09-21T03:54:05 < upgrdman> fuel mix was approximately: 30% nitromethane, 18% synthetic oil, 52% methanol
2015-09-21T03:54:28 < upgrdman> actual gasoline is very rare except for the VERY big models
2015-09-21T03:54:45 < upgrdman> because the engines are VERY heavy for the amount of power they produce, compared to nitro or elec
2015-09-21T03:54:55 < upgrdman> magneto or CDI also adds weight
2015-09-21T03:55:37 < upgrdman> here's the inside of a 0.39 cubic inch nitro engine i had:  http://www.rcheliguy.com/images/temp_tt39h/
2015-09-21T03:55:44 < upgrdman> rc heli engine
2015-09-21T03:56:13 < upgrdman> that one had a bad con rod that gal'd to the crankshaft before getting a gallon of fuel through it
2015-09-21T03:56:44 < upgrdman> gas = gasoline
2015-09-21T03:56:46 < upgrdman> glow = nitro
2015-09-21T03:57:31 < upgrdman> they call them glow because they use glow plugs instead of spark plugs. and technically you dont need nitromethane, can run on just oil/methanol, but then they're weak little pussy engines
2015-09-21T03:58:01 < upgrdman> iirc only the europenas run glow engines on 0% nitro, because of cost or regulations
2015-09-21T03:58:19 < upgrdman> yes
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2015-09-21T03:58:37 < upgrdman> for a given amount of power, dont be surprised if gas is 2x the weight of glow
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2015-09-21T04:00:40 < upgrdman> ignore crappy paint job, but this was one of my nitro helis:  http://www.rcheliguy.com/entries/2008-04-30_Raptor50FirstCanopyWithVinylCutter/splash_checkers1.jpg
2015-09-21T04:00:53 < upgrdman> R2COM, generally yes
2015-09-21T04:01:19 < upgrdman> gas becomes popular on planes with wingspans >10 feet, and heli with rotor blades >700mm
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2015-09-21T04:02:44 < upgrdman> for big models, gas. by far.
2015-09-21T04:02:45 < fenugrec> glow burn fuel like there's no tomorrow
2015-09-21T04:02:54 < upgrdman> elec flight times are often <15 mins
2015-09-21T04:03:03 < upgrdman> nitro flight times are 10 - 30 mintues
2015-09-21T04:03:09 < upgrdman> gas can be over an hour if you want
2015-09-21T04:04:03 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-21T04:04:07 < upgrdman> also gas is more dangerous
2015-09-21T04:04:28 < upgrdman> gasoile burns hotter. can start fires if you do stupid shit like rest fuel line on your exhaust pipe
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2015-09-21T04:04:48 < upgrdman> nitro is "cold" in comparison
2015-09-21T04:05:08 < upgrdman> temp at the plug of <300F (150C)
2015-09-21T04:05:49 < upgrdman> R2COM, but stick with electric for your first model(s)
2015-09-21T04:05:58 < upgrdman> tuning an engine is just another thing you can fuck up
2015-09-21T04:06:13 < upgrdman> and beginner + stalled engine = crash
2015-09-21T04:06:51 < upgrdman> R2COM, $87... much be for old farts to buy for their grandkids at christmas
2015-09-21T04:08:05 < upgrdman> lol.
2015-09-21T04:08:20 < upgrdman> i used for work for the american distributor for ASP
2015-09-21T04:08:23 < upgrdman> anyway:
2015-09-21T04:08:27 < upgrdman> os = jap = quality
2015-09-21T04:08:46 < upgrdman> cox = american = used to be good like 20 years ago. dunno about now
2015-09-21T04:08:55 < upgrdman> asp = cheap china stuff that works
2015-09-21T04:09:55 < upgrdman> os makes good stuff
2015-09-21T04:10:00 < upgrdman> i had two os heli engines
2015-09-21T04:10:13 < upgrdman> novarossi makes some NICE engines. they're the ferrari of rc
2015-09-21T04:10:26 < upgrdman> i had a novarossi .59 in one of my helis
2015-09-21T04:10:33 < upgrdman> used to fly every weekend
2015-09-21T04:10:39 < upgrdman> i have not flown in maybe 3 years now
2015-09-21T04:11:05 < upgrdman> R2COM, its an italian brand. it's the owner's last name
2015-09-21T04:11:46 < upgrdman> its a 30-60 min drive to the flying field (can't fly nitro in your backyard...) and the local fields got popular and overcrowded
2015-09-21T04:11:52 < upgrdman> i hate flying near other people
2015-09-21T04:13:45 < upgrdman> most parks prohibit anything rc
2015-09-21T04:13:54 < upgrdman> i would fly at legic RC flying sites.
2015-09-21T04:14:01 < upgrdman> like, with paved runways.
2015-09-21T04:14:22 < upgrdman> you joing the "club" and pay like $100/yr, and you get a key to the gate.
2015-09-21T04:15:00 < upgrdman> for little electric toys, you can prolly get away with flying in a big park if you dont bother people
2015-09-21T04:15:38 < upgrdman> if you live in a rich area, expect dumb cunts to come up to you and bitch about how you're endangering them
2015-09-21T04:15:43 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-21T04:16:14 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-21T04:16:32 < upgrdman> most clubs require AMA insurance. which is like $50/year RC liability insurance
2015-09-21T04:16:45 < upgrdman> so if your toy kills someone, there's some insurance
2015-09-21T04:17:04 < upgrdman> more likely, so if you crash into someones car and scratch the paint...
2015-09-21T04:20:23 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-21T04:20:26 < upgrdman> and follow rules
2015-09-21T04:20:46 < upgrdman> e.g. no insurance coverage if you drink alcohol, etc.
2015-09-21T04:24:54 < upgrdman> i think you can? float planes are common in areas with bodies of water
2015-09-21T04:27:10 < upgrdman> i think AMA covers you any time you abide by their rules, so long as you are not also violating any local rules or laws
2015-09-21T04:27:22 < upgrdman> ama has docs covering their rules on their web site
2015-09-21T04:33:33 < upgrdman> right
2015-09-21T04:35:21 < zyp> there's limits to how much you can hurt somebody with an RC craft :p
2015-09-21T04:35:34 < upgrdman> zyp, you can easily kill
2015-09-21T04:35:52 < upgrdman> a prop or rotor blade to the face
2015-09-21T04:36:28 < upgrdman> a remember a couple years ago some rc heli pilot killed himself when it flew into the back of his head after loosing sight of the model
2015-09-21T04:36:49 < upgrdman> photo looked like someone took a sword to him
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2015-09-21T04:37:11 < Roklobsta> loose sight how?
2015-09-21T04:37:17 < zyp> helis, sure
2015-09-21T04:37:30 < Roklobsta> flyinf in fog or at night?
2015-09-21T04:37:45 < upgrdman> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2413231/Roman-Pirozek-Jr-Man-decapitates-remote-control-helicopter.html
2015-09-21T04:38:09 < upgrdman> Roklobsta, if you loose orientation AND are dumb enough to be flying close to yourself
2015-09-21T04:39:47 < upgrdman> e.g you fly behind a tree (or anything else) by accident and momentarily look track of the model
2015-09-21T04:41:25 < upgrdman> R2COM, and this is something you should practice with the rc flight sim. like look away from your screen for 3 seconds, then look back and try to regain control
2015-09-21T04:41:51 < upgrdman> not such a big deal with planes, but still helpful
2015-09-21T04:43:06 < upgrdman> unless you loose signal :)
2015-09-21T04:43:11 < upgrdman> but if your close, you shouldnt
2015-09-21T04:44:09 < upgrdman> no
2015-09-21T04:44:13 < upgrdman> he'd be just as dead
2015-09-21T04:44:28 < upgrdman> a helmet will not keep you from be decapitate by a thin blade
2015-09-21T04:44:44 < upgrdman> or even just cut
2015-09-21T04:44:50 < upgrdman> its a CARBON FIBER blade
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2015-09-21T04:44:58 < upgrdman> spinner at >2000 RPM
2015-09-21T04:45:01 < upgrdman> spinning
2015-09-21T04:45:31 < upgrdman> i think the artical said partial decapitation
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2015-09-21T04:46:30 < upgrdman> "A 19-year-old New York City man has died after partially-decapitating himself with his own remote-controlled helicopter.
2015-09-21T04:46:30 < upgrdman> Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2413231/Roman-Pirozek-Jr-Man-decapitates-remote-control-helicopter.html#ixzz3mKk39l8w
2015-09-21T04:46:30 < upgrdman> Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook"
2015-09-21T04:46:45 < kakimir> dongs: what you think about change of defence laws of japan?
2015-09-21T04:46:57 < upgrdman> R2COM, you dont get it. a helmet will be protect you from that much force from a thin blade
2015-09-21T04:47:25 < upgrdman> and if it did, it would just keep your head in tact, but the force would likely break your spinal cord or other goodies
2015-09-21T04:48:22 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-21T04:48:33 < kakimir> so that jp can have their own military and jerk around with their neighbors
2015-09-21T04:48:37 < upgrdman> if you're model is within 20 feet of someone, you fucked up bad.
2015-09-21T04:48:57 < upgrdman> unless its some little toy that is flown indoors
2015-09-21T04:49:33 < upgrdman> R2COM, there its a "pits" area of people, and a grass or paved area for "runway"
2015-09-21T04:49:37 < upgrdman> you dont fly in the pits
2015-09-21T04:49:41 < upgrdman> or over them
2015-09-21T04:50:51 < upgrdman> R2COM, i used to fly here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/California+Institution+for+Women/@33.9320543,-117.6311282,204m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x80dccbf294c35f15:0xaafd1185012b5afb!6m1!1e1?hl=en
2015-09-21T04:51:25 < upgrdman> see how there is a dirt lot for people to be in, a paved runway, and room past the runway to fly
2015-09-21T04:54:08 < upgrdman> R2COM, oh, and there are real turbine RC models. legit jet engines. burn kerosine usually. sound like the real thing.
2015-09-21T04:54:13 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-21T04:54:50 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://youtu.be/qQ9dSrrBN28?t=53
2015-09-21T04:55:03 < upgrdman> also, turbine rc models crash just like the real ones. HUGE fire ball.
2015-09-21T04:56:14 < upgrdman> crash:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aajp-A43glA
2015-09-21T04:57:55 < upgrdman> also https://youtu.be/-KIP6fz85Uk?t=41
2015-09-21T04:58:59 < kakimir> upgrdman: women have their own runway?
2015-09-21T04:59:09 < upgrdman> no
2015-09-21T04:59:16 < upgrdman> but there is a woman's prison up the road
2015-09-21T04:59:28 < kakimir> oh
2015-09-21T05:00:46 < upgrdman> >$15K iirc
2015-09-21T05:00:49 < upgrdman> rich boy toys
2015-09-21T05:01:12 < kakimir> jet engines from 2000$ smallest ones
2015-09-21T05:01:23 < upgrdman> engine is but a small cost
2015-09-21T05:01:24 < kakimir> up to.. 10k ?
2015-09-21T05:01:34 < upgrdman> for those models, you often need high quality electronics
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2015-09-21T05:01:46 < upgrdman> don't be surprised to pay $150+ per servo, etc.
2015-09-21T05:02:01 < upgrdman> at high speeds, you really dont want your control surfaces fluttering, etc.
2015-09-21T05:02:02 < kakimir> or more
2015-09-21T05:02:22 < upgrdman> R2COM, for anything bigger than a backyard toy, yes
2015-09-21T05:03:33 < upgrdman> just less likely to run into people bitching
2015-09-21T05:03:45 < upgrdman> and you can make friends with like minded people
2015-09-21T05:04:15 < upgrdman> bigger clubs often offer free rc flight lessons
2015-09-21T05:07:36 < upgrdman> it would be awesome if ##stm32 did a meetup.
2015-09-21T05:08:06 < upgrdman> we could all call eachother fags in real life, etc.
2015-09-21T05:08:35 < kakimir> I thought feminists had their own institution and runway
2015-09-21T05:08:41 < kakimir> that would have been bad
2015-09-21T05:09:44 < upgrdman> i remember being there one time when there was a prison break and one girl got out. police helicopter flying LOW and combing the area. we all kinda stood there with a mix of WTF/aweome!
2015-09-21T05:10:59 < fenugrec> reminds me there've been TWO helo-assisted jailbreaks around here in the last few years
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2015-09-21T05:11:37 < fenugrec> perps were caught shortly after... all that trouble for nothing
2015-09-21T05:13:15 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-21T05:14:15 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnk9V2FU0-0
2015-09-21T05:15:04 < upgrdman> R2COM, this is an awesome video. rc plane. one wing falls off in flight. lands successfully!  https://youtu.be/ZaXMrFh3n7M?t=34
2015-09-21T05:17:19 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-21T05:17:24 < upgrdman> play on a sim first
2015-09-21T05:17:31 < upgrdman> it will save you LOTS of time and money
2015-09-21T05:17:40 < upgrdman> and give you some confidence for your first flight
2015-09-21T05:18:01 < fenugrec> most discouraging hobby eva
2015-09-21T05:19:12 < kakimir> my first rc plane 500eur ducted fan
2015-09-21T05:19:30 < upgrdman> because RC is a hobby with "strings attched"
2015-09-21T05:19:35 < upgrdman> you need to fly during the day
2015-09-21T05:19:57 < upgrdman> you need to fly when the wind isn't too high (but flying in the wind is fun!)
2015-09-21T05:20:10 < kakimir> I think I move completelly to DLG
2015-09-21T05:20:15 < upgrdman> i need to fly where there aren't many people (or else i dont find it fun)
2015-09-21T05:20:21 < kakimir> keeps blood pumping
2015-09-21T05:20:36 < upgrdman> so RC just become more of a hassle
2015-09-21T05:20:52 < upgrdman> with electronics as a hobby... i can do anytime i damn well please
2015-09-21T05:21:00 < upgrdman> day, night, rain, wind, holidays...
2015-09-21T05:21:47 < upgrdman> if i even move out into the "country" and have a plot of open land... i will have a HOUSE FULL of rc toys
2015-09-21T05:23:02 < upgrdman> no
2015-09-21T05:23:07 < upgrdman> i sold ~all of my rc stuff
2015-09-21T05:23:26 < upgrdman> im down to two 450 size electric helis, and two small indoor quads
2015-09-21T05:23:48 < upgrdman> because i dont want to drive an hour to the flying field, show up to a packed field, and not enjoy the day?
2015-09-21T05:24:05 < upgrdman> i live in so cal. not really any open plots of land. i have to go out of my way to do it
2015-09-21T05:24:27 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-21T05:24:45 < upgrdman> its like a bike. i can fly on the sim just fine.
2015-09-21T05:25:02 < upgrdman> will take a bit of practice to clean up my skills, but you don't forget how to fly
2015-09-21T05:27:00 < upgrdman> that was one of the saddening parts of my trip to china. despite the pop density of shanghai, in the industrial zones, theres tons of open land. i would have loved to fly rc over there.
2015-09-21T05:44:31 < kakimir> are cali kids okay?
2015-09-21T05:44:31 < upgrdman> kinda
2015-09-21T05:44:38 < upgrdman> but im fat, so don't bike very much
2015-09-21T05:44:58 < kakimir> or are they like on drugs and all that
2015-09-21T05:45:14 < upgrdman> kakimir, just like everthing else, there's a bell curve
2015-09-21T05:45:25 < upgrdman> usually it's the poor ones that are drug addicts
2015-09-21T05:45:37 < emeb_mac> usually
2015-09-21T05:45:40 < upgrdman> in my area, that means the black people (no joke)
2015-09-21T05:45:40 < emeb_mac> not always
2015-09-21T05:46:13 < emeb_mac> rich kids in scottsdale have a higher incidence of heroin use than the poorer neighborhoods
2015-09-21T05:46:26 < upgrdman> seems like ~all of the trouble makers in my neighborhood are black. super annoying. BUT there's also lots of blacks that are wonderful or no problem
2015-09-21T05:47:51 < upgrdman> its kinda funny. there's a driver way with a gate to get into my community. when i pull into the driveway and use my remote to open the gate, if there's any black kids around, they look intensely to make sure im not some rival gang member or some shit
2015-09-21T05:48:07 < upgrdman> white kids? no fucks given.
2015-09-21T05:48:50 < upgrdman> mexian kids? no fucks given either.
2015-09-21T05:48:57 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-21T05:49:07 < upgrdman> asian kids? no fucks given either.
2015-09-21T05:49:20 < kakimir> communities with gates :oo
2015-09-21T05:49:39 < upgrdman> kakimir, its mostly a joke. but it keeps random idiots out
2015-09-21T05:49:41 < upgrdman> like bums
2015-09-21T05:49:43 < upgrdman> and salemen
2015-09-21T05:49:46 < upgrdman> salemen
2015-09-21T05:49:50 < upgrdman> err salesmen
2015-09-21T05:50:10 < kakimir> I would pay for that
2015-09-21T05:50:11 < upgrdman> dont have many of those in this city
2015-09-21T05:50:33 < upgrdman> in rich cities, i would get jahovahs witnesses knocked on my door like once a month
2015-09-21T05:50:40 < englishman> Gated ghettos astound me whenever I go to americaland
2015-09-21T05:50:44 < englishman> There are so many
2015-09-21T05:50:48 < englishman> Its like nicaragua
2015-09-21T05:51:04 < upgrdman> gates ghettos?
2015-09-21T05:51:10 < upgrdman> like poor people inside the gates?
2015-09-21T05:51:13 < englishman> Ya like your place
2015-09-21T05:51:28 < englishman> Community, call it what you will
2015-09-21T05:51:35 < upgrdman> my place is actually kinda nice. it's just surrounded by shit. its like an oasis
2015-09-21T05:51:53 < englishman> Put up walls to keep the darkies out
2015-09-21T05:52:06 < upgrdman> whenever a new pizza delivery guy comes to my door, he seems amazed by the quality of my place. water fountain in the middle, etc.
2015-09-21T05:52:45 < upgrdman> englishman, it's not like that here. we have "darkies" in my place too. and outside it.
2015-09-21T05:53:04 < upgrdman> the gates aren't to separate races. they're to keep bums away
2015-09-21T05:53:40 < kakimir> there is no gated communities in here
2015-09-21T05:53:50 < englishman> That's fucked up, I don't even lock my doors
2015-09-21T05:53:59 < kakimir> never seen even one
2015-09-21T05:54:13 < upgrdman> ya i live in an area where you lock your doors, but would not expect anyone to try getting in.
2015-09-21T05:54:23 < upgrdman> like i feel safe, but i wouldn't tempt someone
2015-09-21T05:54:38 < upgrdman> i bought this place when i was poor
2015-09-21T05:54:38 < kakimir> maybe in cities like inside yaerds of flats
2015-09-21T05:54:42 < upgrdman> so it's in a shit area
2015-09-21T05:54:56 < upgrdman> but im saving up to buy a house in a middle class neighborhood.
2015-09-21T05:55:18 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTNR9O4PmNo inspiration stuff
2015-09-21T05:56:55 < upgrdman> R2COM, you're comment on drugs seems so true. they should almost be offered for free to help usher useless people to their destiny
2015-09-21T05:58:03 < kakimir> it's like those drug addicts who destroy their lifes have this state of complete ignorance
2015-09-21T06:01:47 < upgrdman> LOL  http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34290981
2015-09-21T06:02:03 < upgrdman> "Like the other Guevedoces, Johnny was brought up as a girl because he had no visible testes or penis and what appeared to be a vagina. It is only when he approached puberty that his penis grew and testicles descended."
2015-09-21T06:02:39 < Roklobsta> Psych!
2015-09-21T06:05:44 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://imgur.com/8mJyqHL
2015-09-21T06:06:04 < dongs> typical japanese activity
2015-09-21T06:08:36 < Roklobsta> i bet public breatfeeding is a nono
2015-09-21T06:08:41 < upgrdman> bonus points if he drinks from the cup
2015-09-21T06:10:24 < Roklobsta> mirin
2015-09-21T06:20:26 < dongs> https://youtu.be/BB5LXF0c__g?t=128 hahaha
2015-09-21T06:20:28 < dongs> fuckin retards
2015-09-21T06:23:06 < Roklobsta> It's definitely a 1st world problem.
2015-09-21T06:24:13 < Roklobsta> The 'captain's' faceplant is, well, spectacularly executed.
2015-09-21T06:25:33 < upgrdman> 10/10 would faceplant again
2015-09-21T06:26:24 < Roklobsta> I think it's a kind of high speed planking.
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2015-09-21T06:35:00 < kakimir> It would have been fun if he was not able to idle engine before hitting all those waves
2015-09-21T06:44:48 < Roklobsta> musta side swiped a small wave
2015-09-21T06:45:12 < Roklobsta> i like the fumpump sound the cap'n makes
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2015-09-21T06:56:49 < kakimir> 60min battery life is quite ok
2015-09-21T06:59:02 < kakimir> I would take a coal roller for now
2015-09-21T06:59:18 < upgrdman>   R2COM you've been to long beach? cool. that's where i live.
2015-09-21T06:59:27 < kakimir> 4litre turbo diesel quite optimum engine
2015-09-21T06:59:52 < kakimir> V8 aluminum block
2015-09-21T07:01:12 < kakimir> too bad there is no middle engined ones
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2015-09-21T07:04:19 < upgrdman> cool. what did you do
2015-09-21T07:05:28 < upgrdman> where are you again? ma?
2015-09-21T07:10:30 < upgrdman> looks nice
2015-09-21T07:10:38 < upgrdman> damn i forgot what trees look like.
2015-09-21T07:11:20 < upgrdman> lol. just like me
2015-09-21T07:13:43 < upgrdman> :)
2015-09-21T07:14:09 < upgrdman> if you're ever in LB again let me know.
2015-09-21T07:14:44 < dongs> http://www.rshughes.com/p/Loctite-Hysol-E-214HP-Gray-One-Part-Epoxy-Adhesive-Gray-300-Ml-Cartridge-Shore-Hardness-85-Shore-D-Shear-Strength-4820-Psi-Tensile-Strength-4460-Psi/079340_29340/ is this super good or soemthing
2015-09-21T07:14:48 < dongs> why is it so $$
2015-09-21T07:15:21 < dongs> and why the fuck is it hazmat
2015-09-21T07:15:45 < upgrdman> dongs, most liquid adhesive are ORM-D or HAZMAT
2015-09-21T07:15:53 < upgrdman> even super glue (ca)
2015-09-21T07:17:12 < dongs> hm realy
2015-09-21T07:17:14 < dongs> so waht do they do?
2015-09-21T07:17:19 < dongs> Special shipping conditions apply to this product . you will be contacted by an R.S.Hughes representative before your order is shipped.
2015-09-21T07:17:24 < dongs> does that mean this will go by ground or something?
2015-09-21T07:17:34 < dongs> Hazardous Shipping: UN3186 (GROUND, ICAO/IATA & IMO/IMDG)
2015-09-21T07:17:35 < dongs> ah
2015-09-21T07:17:42 < upgrdman> ground, and with lots of scary labels on the box
2015-09-21T07:17:49 < dongs> http://www.adrdangerousgoods.com/eng/substances/un-3186/id-2436/
2015-09-21T07:17:58 < upgrdman> dongs, "Loctite Hysol E-214HP gray one-part epoxy..." i think that's why. one-part. so pre-mixed.
2015-09-21T07:18:07 < dongs> yes, premixed
2015-09-21T07:18:34 < dongs> are you buying property
2015-09-21T07:18:43 < upgrdman> looks beautiful
2015-09-21T07:18:51 < dongs> buying a plane?
2015-09-21T07:18:59 < upgrdman> dongs, he's trying to find a rc club
2015-09-21T07:19:04 < dongs> ah
2015-09-21T07:19:24 < dongs> i think in usa to be legal you ahve to be part of some american faggot model assocaition
2015-09-21T07:19:38 < dongs> and you can only fly at places allowed by them
2015-09-21T07:19:54 < upgrdman> R2COM, so why do you like CA over MA?
2015-09-21T07:20:00 < dongs> and you need insurance too
2015-09-21T07:20:32 < upgrdman> dongs, not required to have insurace, but highly recommended.
2015-09-21T07:20:33 < dongs> http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/105.pdf
2015-09-21T07:20:51 < upgrdman> dongs, AMA is the rc insuarance/lobby group, and most flying fields require AMA + club fees
2015-09-21T07:21:16 < upgrdman> R2COM, ah yes. cali weather and bitches are nice
2015-09-21T07:21:22 < dongs> upgrdman: yea thats waht i meant
2015-09-21T07:21:33 < dongs> that you need to be member of that shit to fly at a public field
2015-09-21T07:21:35 < dongs> that has rcfags
2015-09-21T07:21:53 < dongs> im glad all i ahve around here is fucking ricefields
2015-09-21T07:22:32 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-21T07:22:36 < dongs> r.s. huges doesn't sound like the kind place that would accept paypal
2015-09-21T07:22:51 < upgrdman> dongs, what do you need? just any epoxy?
2015-09-21T07:22:57 < upgrdman> surely .jp has fuck tons of it
2015-09-21T07:23:13 < dongs> upgrdman: no that specific one for some dumb shit, im not seriosuly buying it  but china price is $300/tube
2015-09-21T07:23:18 < dongs> where that usa scamshop has it for $98
2015-09-21T07:23:28 < dongs> i cant live with that
2015-09-21T07:23:33 < upgrdman> ah
2015-09-21T07:24:15 < dongs> loctite is american shit isnt it?
2015-09-21T07:24:18 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-21T07:24:34 < upgrdman> proudly made in america. by mexians.
2015-09-21T07:24:52 < dongs> lolz
2015-09-21T07:25:01 < dongs> http://www.loctiteproducts.com/index.shtml
2015-09-21T07:25:03 < dongs> #WinAtGlue
2015-09-21T07:25:10 < dongs> > Start your loctite party
2015-09-21T07:25:23 < upgrdman> dongs, LOL
2015-09-21T07:25:36 < dongs> get plastic bags ready
2015-09-21T07:25:38 < dongs> start huffing
2015-09-21T07:27:23 < dongs> dongs to dongs
2015-09-21T07:28:32 < kakimir> somalian hotties are good
2015-09-21T07:31:13 < kakimir> it would be breakfast time and then some silo building>
2015-09-21T07:35:04 < dongs> hm my fuckiong APC ES500 doesn't turn on
2015-09-21T07:36:57 < upgrdman> in ltspice, how do you change the current probe direction?
2015-09-21T07:37:26 < upgrdman> like if it's measure electron current and i want conventional current
2015-09-21T07:38:40 < upgrdman> k
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2015-09-21T07:42:05 < dongs> k its back on
2015-09-21T07:42:40 < dongs> not sure, i press power button and it wouldnt turn on
2015-09-21T07:42:56 < dongs> then spawn was fucking with it and pushed and it stayed on
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2015-09-21T07:58:45 < dongs> Hey Ivan, I know you guys are at a pre-order status now. Have you considered a referral program for those who share flyzano.com and get others to pre-order as well?
2015-09-21T07:59:16 < jpa-> if they had that, dongs would have a thousand zanos by now
2015-09-21T07:59:27 < dongs> lolz
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2015-09-21T08:00:14 < jpa-> where "have" = "absolutely convinced they'll ship one day"
2015-09-21T08:14:20 < emeb_mac> sleep is for the weak
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2015-09-21T08:24:51 < dongs> why is r2pro playing this kids garbage
2015-09-21T08:24:54 < dongs> lego wat
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2015-09-21T08:25:39 < emeb_mac> kids playing w/ your UPS?
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2015-09-21T08:44:20 < dongs> emeb_mac: ever livechatted mouser?
2015-09-21T08:44:39 < emeb_mac> dongs: maybe.
2015-09-21T08:44:45 < emeb_mac> been a while tho
2015-09-21T08:44:50 < emeb_mac> I have livechatted DK
2015-09-21T08:45:31 < emeb_mac> mostly to add/delete an in-process order
2015-09-21T08:48:58 < dongs> rite
2015-09-21T08:49:07 < dongs> it would be cool if they published hteir working hours
2015-09-21T08:49:09 < dongs> for shats.
2015-09-21T08:49:50 < dongs> i guess its same as "office hours"?
2015-09-21T08:49:51 < dongs> Office Hours (M-F):
2015-09-21T08:49:51 < dongs> 7am to 8pm CST
2015-09-21T08:52:29 < emeb_mac> prolly
2015-09-21T08:53:33 < emeb_mac> but they might contract it out after hours
2015-09-21T08:53:45 < dongs> well, theyt werent chatting yesterday
2015-09-21T08:53:52 < emeb_mac> so you get some boiler room in india
2015-09-21T08:53:56 < dongs> im just wondering wahts the earliest i can dong them to try to hax my order
2015-09-21T08:54:00 < dongs> ya
2015-09-21T08:54:09 < dongs> im gonna try like 1hr before 7am cst
2015-09-21T08:54:26 < emeb_mac> can't hurt
2015-09-21T09:00:28 < emeb_mac> lol http://inhabitat.com/the-incredible-story-of-how-the-burj-khalifas-poop-is-trucked-out-of-town/
2015-09-21T09:01:57 < jpa-> um, how is that worse than the poop going by pipes to a sewage facility, from where it is usually trucked out to somewhere to decay
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2015-09-21T09:04:12 < ds2> it deprives plumbers jobs
2015-09-21T09:06:14 < emeb_mac> not worse, just funny that they have money to build huge high-tech buildings but not to build proper sewers.
2015-09-21T09:07:04 < emeb_mac> like some sort of hollywood movie set - all pretty from one side, but made of paper mache from behind.
2015-09-21T09:10:07 < jpa-> emeb_mac: well, the people who own the buildings have the money, the city who owns the sewers does not or does not care
2015-09-21T09:10:29 < jpa-> it's probably not easy to build your own sewers that go through other peoples land
2015-09-21T09:11:03 < emeb_mac> jpa-: no argument. doesn't make it any less amusing.
2015-09-21T09:11:17 < jpa-> maybe :)
2015-09-21T09:11:39 < emeb_mac> I suppose one should be glad that they're not hand-carrying it out with buckets & shoulder-yokes.
2015-09-21T09:12:11 < jpa-> whereas if they had used dry toilets, it would be so green that it would be cool, no matter how much poopcarrying is involved :)
2015-09-21T09:12:13 < dongs> http://www.mediatek.com/en/products/hero-products/helio-X10/
2015-09-21T09:12:16 < dongs> 480fps video whoa
2015-09-21T09:13:02 < jpa-> collecting sewage by trucks is quite common in the sparsely populated areas in finland
2015-09-21T09:13:42 < jpa-> though they have a system that separates most of the water out of it, so it is mostly sludge that is collected
2015-09-21T09:14:06 < emeb_mac> interesting
2015-09-21T09:14:27 < emeb_mac> so sparsely populated areas don't just use septic tanks?
2015-09-21T09:14:52 < jpa-> some do, but generally it is cheaper to have a filter system so that it doesn't have to be emptied so often
2015-09-21T09:14:56 < jpa-> usually only once a year
2015-09-21T09:15:32 < emeb_mac> hmmm... environmental conditions must be very different there - septic tanks here rarely need pumping.
2015-09-21T09:15:46 < emeb_mac> usually it's an indication that something has gone wrong.
2015-09-21T09:15:47 < jpa-> atleast burj khalifas is more advanced than moscow, where they still just dump the sewage to rivers :)
2015-09-21T09:16:04 < jpa-> emeb_mac: maybe we are thinking about different kinds of septic tanks..
2015-09-21T09:16:39 < emeb_mac> perhaps.
2015-09-21T09:17:00 < jpa-> emeb_mac: where do the solids go in the septic tank that doesn't need to be pumped?
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2015-09-21T09:18:46 < emeb_mac> jpa-:  they build up over time - pumping is required at intervals, generally 5-10yrs
2015-09-21T09:18:58 < jpa-> wikipedia's "septic tank" matches pretty much what i called "filter system" above - but some summer houses etc. just choose to put everything into tank raw and have it pumped more often
2015-09-21T09:19:15 < emeb_mac> ah
2015-09-21T09:19:26 < emeb_mac> those are rare here
2015-09-21T09:19:26 < jpa-> hm, has to be a pretty large tank if it can take 10 years of household solids
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2015-09-21T09:20:24 < jpa-> but wikipedia seems to agree that they can be pumped quite rarely
2015-09-21T09:20:28 < emeb_mac> much of what counts as solids is able to decompose further
2015-09-21T09:20:45 < emeb_mac> the microbiota in the tank is very important
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2015-09-21T09:21:08 < emeb_mac> people who use a lot of anti-bacterial soap need to pump more often because they kill the biome.
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2015-09-21T09:24:28 < jpa-> seems like the systems here in finland do not take much advantage of decomposing the solids - most of the solids are separated as first step in the process and microbiological processes happen later only to clean the water further
2015-09-21T09:24:56 < jpa-> and it is the first step container that needs to be emptied yearly
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2015-09-21T09:26:30 < jpa-> i wonder if that is related to temperature or something.. decomposing might not work very well in here at winter time, it barely stays above 0 at the depth where they are usually buried
2015-09-21T09:26:52 < emeb_mac> good point
2015-09-21T09:30:16 < emeb_mac> there are parts of this city that were only recently annexed and the houses in those areas still aren't on the city sewer and water systems.
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2015-09-21T09:31:08 < emeb_mac> so the city is trying to force the people to hook up & remove the septic tanks at great expense. not surprisingly they are resisting.
2015-09-21T09:31:43 < jpa-> yeah, similar here; the nationwide requirements for wastewater processing where made more strict and a lot of people are facing expensive upgrades
2015-09-21T09:32:00 < jpa-> *were
2015-09-21T09:33:44 < ds2> emeb_mac: what city is that?
2015-09-21T09:33:52 < emeb_mac> ds2: Mesa
2015-09-21T09:34:06 < ds2> oh that city is surrounded
2015-09-21T09:34:21 < emeb_mac> not at all
2015-09-21T09:34:26 < emeb_mac> Tempe is surrounded
2015-09-21T09:34:41 < ds2> isn't Chandler to the south and gilbert to the east?
2015-09-21T09:34:45 < emeb_mac> Mesa has plenty of borders that are still open
2015-09-21T09:35:01 < emeb_mac> to the north, and also to the east of Gilbert
2015-09-21T09:35:25 < ds2> mesa must be bigger then what i am picturing
2015-09-21T09:35:36 < emeb_mac> ds2: 2nd biggest city in  AZ
2015-09-21T09:35:48 < ds2> thought it ends before the 210 (I think, the one that goes by San Tan mall)
2015-09-21T09:36:10 < ds2> having seen the size of flagstaff, that doesn't say much :D
2015-09-21T09:39:03 < emeb_mac> ds2: http://northphoenixazhomes.com/images/phoenix-metro-detailed-map-100.jpg
2015-09-21T09:40:08 < emeb_mac> Flagstaff is pretty small
2015-09-21T09:40:25 < emeb_mac> Tucson may be larger in area, but not population.
2015-09-21T09:40:51 < ds2> oh wow
2015-09-21T09:40:57 < ds2> always thought scottsdale borders mesa
2015-09-21T09:41:40 < emeb_mac> not quite - indian rez between 'em
2015-09-21T09:41:56 < ds2> this map does look old, don't see the 202 or is it the 210
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2015-09-21T09:42:43 < ds2> but anyways, I see your point now. cities that I thought were touching don't.
2015-09-21T09:43:42 < emeb_mac> that map is about 15yrs old too - a lot of the whitespace is now filled in
2015-09-21T09:43:56 < ds2> 'k
2015-09-21T09:44:07 < Roklobsta> why are US cities designed in such boring grids?
2015-09-21T09:44:44 < ds2> not all cities are like that
2015-09-21T09:44:56 < zyp> because they were designed after people invented rulers
2015-09-21T09:45:01 < ds2> some of it might have to do with the PLSS
2015-09-21T09:46:53 < emeb_mac> Roklobsta: zyp: especially here in AZ where it's very flat. The cities were laid out by engineers, not just following cowpaths that had been there for centuries.
2015-09-21T09:47:03 < dongs> zyp, i sent you email
2015-09-21T09:47:04 < dongs> about jst
2015-09-21T09:48:18 < zyp> read
2015-09-21T09:48:26 < emeb_mac> Roklobsta: take a look at some of the cities in the eastern US - chaos! (I'm lookin' at you Boston)
2015-09-21T09:48:31 < zyp> 2.54 sounds weird, they are supposed to be 2.50
2015-09-21T09:49:58 < dongs> right, but are you ok wiht the non-clone price
2015-09-21T09:50:01 < dongs> because thats also available.
2015-09-21T09:50:08 < dongs> i didnt check how that compares wiht digikey/etc
2015-09-21T09:50:25 < zyp> around half of digikey IIRC
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2015-09-21T09:51:27 < dongs> so just goahead and get real ones?
2015-09-21T09:52:00 < zyp> hmm, actually not half, but still cheaper,
2015-09-21T09:52:36 < zyp> but the clones are tempting to try
2015-09-21T09:52:41 < dongs> haha, right
2015-09-21T09:53:13 < dongs> hm the one fucking time i could use this shitty USB microscope thing I had somewehre , i cant find it
2015-09-21T09:53:20 < zyp> if they say XH then I guess they should fit, and people are probably just silly about labelling 2.54 vs 2.50
2015-09-21T09:55:09 < dongs> either that or chinks just have super loose mounting holes and dont care
2015-09-21T09:55:48 < zyp> well, 2.54 would probably even fit
2015-09-21T09:56:02 < zyp> my test board is using 2.54 female headers
2015-09-21T09:56:30 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/JAkIb.JPG <- this shit
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2015-09-21T09:56:37 < Roklobsta> dunno the Capital of Australia was designed by an American.  No grids there.  Lotsa roundabouts
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2015-09-21T09:57:19 < ds2> Roklobsta: you might want to look up PLSS on wikipedia
2015-09-21T09:57:32 < zyp> dongs, so yeah, I think we'll try the clones
2015-09-21T09:58:36 < dongs> and if they don't fit, buy the real ones?
2015-09-21T09:58:54 < zyp> eh, if they are called XH, they should fit
2015-09-21T09:59:00 < zyp> but yeah, worst case, no big loss
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2015-09-21T10:00:07 < Roklobsta> Gorilla Tape FTW.  Pulling a Mac screen off.
2015-09-21T10:00:42 < dongs> zyp, last order was 11/24?
2015-09-21T10:00:44 < dongs> for this stuff
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2015-09-21T10:01:01 < dongs> or d id we do somethign in 2015
2015-09-21T10:01:09 < dongs> trying to find 1.1.1 previous order/bom
2015-09-21T10:01:15 < dongs> or are parts same
2015-09-21T10:01:18 < dongs> and you just moved something
2015-09-21T10:01:32 < zyp> I mailed you files 2014.11.18
2015-09-21T10:01:41 < dongs> ok then its teh one
2015-09-21T10:01:44 < zyp> parts are same, I just rotated two of the connectors
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2015-09-21T10:15:41 < qyx_> last time i got some 5.00mm vs 5.08mm screw terminals
2015-09-21T10:15:49 < qyx_> 3-pin ones did fit
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2015-09-21T10:17:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/oYurNhW.png zyp, is that look same
2015-09-21T10:18:07 < dongs> hm it doenst have tehj tab?
2015-09-21T10:18:15 < zyp> 2-pin doesn't
2015-09-21T10:18:20 < dongs> o
2015-09-21T10:18:34 < zyp> looks fine
2015-09-21T10:18:37 < dongs> okay.
2015-09-21T10:18:46 < dongs> well we'll try and if shit dont fit you can just get the real ones.
2015-09-21T10:18:53 < zyp> yeah
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2015-09-21T10:21:41 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/QpKJcca.jpg lol'd
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2015-09-21T10:26:36 < dongs> zyp: http://i.imgur.com/O8DgFGC.png clone 4pin
2015-09-21T10:27:44 < dongs> im about to email you invoice for that stuff
2015-09-21T10:27:51 < dongs> F3 needs like 4 days leadtime
2015-09-21T10:29:58 < zyp> hmm, do you have a proper invoice of that that I can archive for accounting shit?
2015-09-21T10:30:08 < dongs> ya i can just send xls
2015-09-21T10:30:12 < zyp> sure
2015-09-21T10:30:24 < dongs> done
2015-09-21T10:30:39 < zyp> thanks
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2015-09-21T10:33:26 < zyp> paid
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2015-09-21T10:38:08 < dongs> kk, o nit
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2015-09-21T12:09:31 < qyx_> lets assume i have a data bus where 0-1V is logical 1 and 1V-nV is logical 0 (open drain)
2015-09-21T12:10:14 < qyx_> how can i receive data from it without fancy components (like comparator)
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2015-09-21T12:11:34 < qyx_> resistor & zener is not a solution because of high current flowing through it when the bus idles at ~12V
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2015-09-21T12:13:21 < Sync> add a series resistor
2015-09-21T12:13:28 < qyx_> could i use p-mosfet with its gate connected to the bus?
2015-09-21T12:15:51 < Sync> probably
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2015-09-21T12:29:31 < dongs> fuck
2015-09-21T12:29:37 < dongs> shipping that glue is turning into nightmare
2015-09-21T12:29:41 < dongs> it needs like 20kg of dry ice
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2015-09-21T12:32:53 < Sync> wat
2015-09-21T12:33:31 < dongs> you got any better ideas?
2015-09-21T12:34:03 < dongs> http://www.rshughes.com/p/Loctite-Hysol-E-214HP-Gray-One-Part-Epoxy-Adhesive-Gray-300-Ml-Cartridge-Shore-Hardness-85-Shore-D-Shear-Strength-4820-Psi-Tensile-Strength-4460-Psi/079340_29340/ I need to ship this via shitcourier that takes ~10 days.
2015-09-21T12:35:25 < Sync> temp controlled shipment
2015-09-21T12:35:31 < Sync> probably easier than shitcourier
2015-09-21T12:35:34 < dongs> Storage Condition: Store Between +46.4°F to +69.8°F
2015-09-21T12:35:42 < dongs> shitcourier is the only choice because its fucking hazmat
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2015-09-21T12:36:11 < dongs> also faggot american units but thats 8-21C
2015-09-21T12:36:19 < dongs> hm i geuss it ccant really be frozen either
2015-09-21T12:38:53 < Sync>  Optimal storage: 2°C to 8°C. Storage below 2°C or
2015-09-21T12:38:53 < Sync> greater than 8°C can adversely affect product properties
2015-09-21T12:39:01 < dongs> great...
2015-09-21T12:39:04 < dongs> so how hte fuck
2015-09-21T12:39:30 < zyp> transport != storage
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2015-09-21T12:39:42 < dongs> so wat r u sayan
2015-09-21T12:40:07 < dongs> Kickstarter is now a Benefit Corporation!
2015-09-21T12:40:12 < dongs>  [ Learn More }
2015-09-21T12:40:13 < dongs> clicking
2015-09-21T12:40:23 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/?ref=pbc_banner
2015-09-21T12:43:27 < dongs> zyp, so
2015-09-21T12:44:36 < zyp> idk, I don't sniff glue, I'm just saying there's a difference between shipping something around for a week and storing it for a year
2015-09-21T12:44:44 < dongs> right, sure
2015-09-21T12:44:47 < zyp> so maybe it's fine
2015-09-21T12:44:50 < zyp> maybe not
2015-09-21T12:44:50 < dongs> so youre saying just fuckit?
2015-09-21T12:44:55 < Sync> well
2015-09-21T12:45:04 < Sync> depends on what you want to do in the end
2015-09-21T12:45:05 < dongs> or put some frozen gelpacks around it
2015-09-21T12:45:12 < dongs> sniff it, waht else
2015-09-21T12:45:20 < Sync> if it is mission critical, go for temp controlled shipping
2015-09-21T12:45:27 < dongs> no its just for fucking around
2015-09-21T12:45:31 < Sync> then yolo it
2015-09-21T12:49:25 < dongs> hm, is skype down for everyone eose.
2015-09-21T12:49:26 < dongs> else.
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2015-09-21T12:49:50 < dongs> https://www.rt.com/news/316056-skype-messaging-down-globe/
2015-09-21T12:49:51 < dongs> lol.
2015-09-21T12:49:51 < zyp> uh, looks like it
2015-09-21T12:51:39 < dongs> shit worked for 30 seconds here and back to disconnected.
2015-09-21T12:51:41 < dongs> nice
2015-09-21T12:54:13 < Sync> rekt
2015-09-21T12:55:29 < ReadError> its cool once the all the worlds spy agencys are done 'patching' things it will be back online *tinfoil hat german*
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2015-09-21T13:02:10 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GN92KQ4?refRID=P3EJ9NJG3SVREBK0KZD7&ref_=pd_rhf_eebr_s_cp_2
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2015-09-21T13:02:12 < ReadError> loool
2015-09-21T13:02:24 < ReadError> It syncs with your smartphone to tell you how many eggs you've got at home (up to 14) and when they're going bad.
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2015-09-21T13:03:03 < BrainDamage> more funny is the price drop from 49$
2015-09-21T13:03:15 < BrainDamage> nobody wants that shit
2015-09-21T13:03:41 < dongs> holy shit that ships to japan
2015-09-21T13:03:50 < dongs> do i need it??!
2015-09-21T13:04:01 < dongs> * irelessly connects to your mobile device to track the number of eggs you have and tell you when they're going bad
2015-09-21T13:04:17 < dongs> wat if I want it to rage-connect
2015-09-21T13:04:36 < jpa-> lul
2015-09-21T13:04:42 < PeterM> i wonder if you could put solderpaste and flux etc in them
2015-09-21T13:04:50 < dongs> and do wat
2015-09-21T13:04:57 < jpa-> but when do eggs go bad anyway?
2015-09-21T13:04:58 < PeterM> fucked if i know
2015-09-21T13:05:10 < jpa-> i've had eggs in fridge for many months and no problems
2015-09-21T13:05:12 < dongs> jpa, if you manage to keep 14 eggs in a fridge long enough to go bad
2015-09-21T13:05:15 < dongs> you've got other issues
2015-09-21T13:05:22 < jpa-> yea
2015-09-21T13:05:32 < dongs> i think i buy a 10pack and that shit is gone in like a few days max
2015-09-21T13:05:51 < zyp> I think I might have bad eggs in my fridge :/
2015-09-21T13:06:01 < jpa-> zyp: what other issues do you have?
2015-09-21T13:06:05 < PeterM> i buy 2 dozen a week, hardboil em and snack on em
2015-09-21T13:06:34 < zyp> I haven't eaten eggs lately, and there might be some left since before vacation
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2015-09-21T13:06:44 < jpa-> they're probably fine
2015-09-21T13:06:51 < zyp> that too
2015-09-21T13:06:56 < jpa-> you'll have to check them now, for science
2015-09-21T13:07:02 < zyp> haha
2015-09-21T13:07:19 < zyp> if there even are any
2015-09-21T13:08:00 < jpa-> if you had that device, you'd know
2015-09-21T13:08:17 < jpa-> usecase acquired
2015-09-21T13:09:12 < zyp> pack says they expired in april
2015-09-21T13:10:33 < zyp> I don't eat eggs very often
2015-09-21T13:12:24 < zyp> I ate a lot as a student, since they were cheap, so I guess I kinda tired of it
2015-09-21T13:12:54 < zyp> oh, and my egg cooker broke a few years ago
2015-09-21T13:18:26 < dongs> wtf is an egg cooker
2015-09-21T13:19:23 < zyp> thing that cooks eggs for lazy fucks like me who don't want to use a pot and time it manually
2015-09-21T13:19:59 < zyp> http://www.amazon.com/b?node=1090754 <- this sort of shit
2015-09-21T13:20:23 < ReadError> oh
2015-09-21T13:20:28 < ReadError> hard boiled thing
2015-09-21T13:20:45 < zyp> not necessarily
2015-09-21T13:21:06 < chris_99> how do they work, do you still put water in them?
2015-09-21T13:21:45 < zyp> yeah, but the eggs aren't submerged, so they cook in the steam
2015-09-21T13:21:56 < chris_99> aha
2015-09-21T13:22:10 < zyp> they are done when the water is gone, so you vary cooking level by how much water you put in
2015-09-21T13:22:50 < zyp> it's certainly possible to get soft boiled eggs in one, because that's how I used to make them
2015-09-21T13:24:43 < ReadError> i just crack them in to a pan
2015-09-21T13:24:52 < ReadError> oldschool
2015-09-21T13:24:59 < zyp> sure, but that's not boiling
2015-09-21T13:25:37 < BrainDamage> does your rice cooker have a timer shutoff? you could use that
2015-09-21T13:26:03 < BrainDamage> ( or buy a 5$ mechanical mains socket timer )
2015-09-21T13:31:16 < Sync> or just use an egg cooker
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2015-09-21T13:54:11 < Roklobotomy> gezz, crack an egg in a coffee cup with a few splashes of water, cover and with careful application of microwave power you have a nice egg done in 60 secs.
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2015-09-21T14:06:47 < qyx_> stm32 controlled microwave egg boiler
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2015-09-21T14:21:36 < karlp> Roklobotomy: what are you trying to do with cracking an egg in a coffee cup + water + microwve?
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2015-09-21T14:44:14 < Roklobotomy> karlp: eat a meal!  With vegemite toast.
2015-09-21T14:44:36 < dongs> still no liveshat
2015-09-21T14:44:37 < karlp> no, but like, what is that, some sort of poaching?
2015-09-21T14:44:38 < dongs> on mouser
2015-09-21T14:44:53 < karlp> hmm, egg and vegemite, never tried that.
2015-09-21T14:45:08 < karlp> sister sent me some vegemite chocolate a month or two ago, that was... interesting.
2015-09-21T14:47:56 < PeterM> karlp i quite like hardboiled egg + vegemite
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2015-09-21T14:48:42 < PeterM> whats vegemite chocolate like? thats a pretty decent combination of sweet + salty
2015-09-21T14:49:03 < karlp> kinda unconvincing,
2015-09-21T14:49:17 < karlp> but the block she sent had clearly had some heat damage in transit, so ...?
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2015-09-21T14:51:04 < PeterM> what kinda chocolate?cadbury or something? (i cant imagine any ohter mfg doing chocolate + vegemite)
2015-09-21T14:51:20 < karlp> yeah, cadbury
2015-09-21T14:51:33 < Roklobotomy> karlp: yes a simple and quick poaching.
2015-09-21T14:52:44 < dongs> hmm
2015-09-21T14:52:50 < dongs> so figuring out GD32 I2C
2015-09-21T14:52:56 < Laurenceb> whyyyy
2015-09-21T14:53:00 < dongs> the chinese in migration manual sux
2015-09-21T14:53:06 < Laurenceb> whats so good about GD32?
2015-09-21T14:53:20 < dongs> Laurenceb: better ESD,  higher mhz, zero wait state flash reads
2015-09-21T14:53:28 < Laurenceb> shrug
2015-09-21T14:53:31 < PeterM> how does cost compare?
2015-09-21T14:53:36 < dongs> cheaper of course
2015-09-21T14:53:38 < Laurenceb> just use F<x>
2015-09-21T14:53:42 < Laurenceb> where x > 1
2015-09-21T14:53:54 < jpa-> it's so fast that even zano wouldn't need to use assembler
2015-09-21T14:54:00 < dongs> ya
2015-09-21T14:54:21 < Laurenceb> 108mhz
2015-09-21T14:54:24 < Laurenceb> boring
2015-09-21T14:54:26 < Roklobotomy> have the vultures finished cleaning the zano carcasse yet?
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2015-09-21T14:55:30 < PeterM> everything smells like dead kangaroo here
2015-09-21T14:56:02 < Laurenceb> where is the datasheet?
2015-09-21T14:56:11 < dongs> Address is sent in master mode or received and matches in slave mode.
2015-09-21T14:56:12 < dongs> This bit is set by hardware and cleared by reading I2C_STR1 and reading SR2.
2015-09-21T14:56:13 < dongs> HEH
2015-09-21T14:56:17 < dongs> copypaste from ST datasheet
2015-09-21T14:56:21 < Laurenceb> lul
2015-09-21T14:56:26 < dongs> they renamed SR1/S2 into STR1/STR22
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2015-09-21T14:59:44 < dongs> errr
2015-09-21T14:59:59 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Gh8SfY71.html
2015-09-21T15:00:03 < dongs> their this thing looks way easier
2015-09-21T15:00:35 < dongs> mouser liveshat is up
2015-09-21T15:03:56 < dongs> lame
2015-09-21T15:04:02 < dongs> too late to cahnge paypal order.
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2015-09-21T15:04:34 < ReadError> can you tho in the future?
2015-09-21T15:04:38 < dongs> yes
2015-09-21T15:04:39 < dongs> i asked.
2015-09-21T15:05:06 < ReadError> see, im a professional ideas man
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2015-09-21T15:08:32 < dongs> Laurenceb: chinks read SR1, SR2 at once
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2015-09-21T15:25:43 < Roklobotomy> PeterM: I have seen some vegemite abominations ,like Vegemite 2.0
2015-09-21T15:35:31 < Roklobotomy> dongs: is everything you work on all comission work?
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2015-09-21T15:38:46 < Laurenceb> natex is better than vegemite
2015-09-21T15:40:07 < Roklobotomy> another british impostor
2015-09-21T15:43:48 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-09-21T15:44:44 < Laurenceb> go away and fap to abby winters
2015-09-21T15:49:06 < jubatus> you know i've never actually seen a picture of abby winters.
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2015-09-21T15:57:45 < karlp> abby winters "herself" or produced by her company?
2015-09-21T15:59:06 < Roklobotomy> karlp: what did the faq say afer you registered?
2015-09-21T16:00:29 < dongs> hmr
2015-09-21T16:00:31 < karlp> no idea, just know of it as a brand that exists.
2015-09-21T16:00:31 < dongs> fff
2015-09-21T16:01:56 < dongs> while(!I2C_CheckEvent(I2C1,
2015-09-21T16:01:57 < dongs> I2C_EVENT_MASTER_TRANSMITTER_MODE_SELECTED));
2015-09-21T16:02:00 < dongs> what EVx is this in?
2015-09-21T16:02:03 < dongs> thats like super early right?
2015-09-21T16:02:04 < dongs> after start?
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2015-09-21T16:05:02 < zyp> uh, I don't think it's an event
2015-09-21T16:05:17 < dongs> it is EV6 apparently
2015-09-21T16:07:56 < dongs> hmm.
2015-09-21T16:09:12 < Laurenceb> lol while loops
2015-09-21T16:09:18 < Laurenceb> arduino style
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2015-09-21T16:13:45 < dongs> ya still doesnt work
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2015-09-21T16:15:20 < dongs> 'for testing ADDR flag, don't use I2C_CheckEvent, because it will clear the ADDR flag. Instead, use I2C_GetFlagStatus.
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2015-09-21T16:15:38 < dongs> the only difference i see in stdpierphlib between cehckevent and getflagstatus is that checkevent reads sr1/sr2
2015-09-21T16:15:46 < dongs> and getflagstatus reads one or the other dependign on what hte flag is
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2015-09-21T16:36:55 < dongs> muwahahah
2015-09-21T16:36:59 < dongs> flyzano firmware is live!
2015-09-21T16:37:03 < dongs> http://account.flyzano.com/firmware/get.php?device_type=0&model=1514229327
2015-09-21T16:37:08 < dongs> lets see wat mips32 filth this is
2015-09-21T16:37:17 < dongs> 41k of code, compresses down 50%, so not crypted
2015-09-21T16:38:21 < dongs> hm
2015-09-21T16:38:24 < dongs> that seems awfully small.
2015-09-21T16:38:38 < karlp> well, == size of features right?
2015-09-21T16:38:38 < PaulFertser> Hand-optimised assembler, remember?
2015-09-21T16:38:48 < dongs> karlp: right heh
2015-09-21T16:38:51 < dongs> ah
2015-09-21T16:38:55 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-09-21T16:38:59 < Laurenceb> no features
2015-09-21T16:39:08 < Laurenceb> thats tiny
2015-09-21T16:39:16 < dongs> found the crypted one
2015-09-21T16:39:54 < dongs> http://account.flyzano.com/firmware/get.php?device_type=0 returns 218k blob
2015-09-21T16:40:04 < Laurenceb> wut
2015-09-21T16:40:09 < Laurenceb> the 41k is bootloader?
2015-09-21T16:40:15 < dongs> possibly
2015-09-21T16:43:20 < Roklobotomy> hit it up with strings
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2015-09-21T16:48:26 < dongs> https://youtu.be/uW-E6CmB69Q?t=150
2015-09-21T16:48:27 < dongs> haha
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2015-09-21T16:50:25 < dongs> wahts with those random pitchroll numberrs
2015-09-21T16:50:49 < dongs> https://youtu.be/uW-E6CmB69Q?t=260
2015-09-21T16:50:55 < dongs> camera speed: NORMAL [13fps]
2015-09-21T16:50:59 < dongs> lols
2015-09-21T16:50:59 < scrts_w2> is it 0.2FPS?
2015-09-21T16:51:09 < dongs> scrts_w2: just about
2015-09-21T16:51:52 < dongs> haha 'beautiful' 1120x720'
2015-09-21T16:52:27 < dongs> 'fast' 18fps'
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2015-09-21T16:53:43 < dongs> We havent seen zano react to multiple obstacles left/right/forward/back/up/down?
2015-09-21T16:53:44 < dongs> Can Zano navigate through a wood?
2015-09-21T16:56:03 < Laurenceb> lulno
2015-09-21T16:56:06 < englishman> like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krqzuw22sDI
2015-09-21T16:56:19 < dongs> lole
2015-09-21T16:56:29 < dongs> yes like this
2015-09-21T16:58:18 < dongs> wonder if pic32 is mips be or le
2015-09-21T16:58:48 < scrts_w2> why care?
2015-09-21T16:58:52 < dongs> looks like LE
2015-09-21T16:59:01 < dongs> scrts_w2: gonna load that non-compressed firmware into disassembler and look
2015-09-21T17:00:49 < dongs> hm wut
2015-09-21T17:00:50 < dongs> nothing
2015-09-21T17:01:18 < dongs> I wonder if its XOR'd with something fixed
2015-09-21T17:01:25 < dongs> to thwart trolling
2015-09-21T17:01:42 < Roklobotomy> rot13
2015-09-21T17:02:19 < Roklobotomy> how'd you unzip it?
2015-09-21T17:02:23 < dongs> unzip wat
2015-09-21T17:02:32 < dongs> < dongs> http://account.flyzano.com/firmware/get.php?device_type=0&model=1514229327
2015-09-21T17:02:36 < dongs> im lookin at this
2015-09-21T17:02:36 < Roklobotomy> yep
2015-09-21T17:02:39 < Roklobotomy> me too
2015-09-21T17:02:43 < Roklobotomy> mush
2015-09-21T17:02:43 < dongs> this is not compressed tho
2015-09-21T17:02:52 < Roklobotomy> ok
2015-09-21T17:04:51 < dongs> got pm from guy
2015-09-21T17:05:08 < Roklobotomy> he sez?
2015-09-21T17:05:16 < dongs> psh he doesnt wanna give latest APK
2015-09-21T17:05:17 < dongs> wtf
2015-09-21T17:08:13 < dongs> hm repeat patterns in that shit are 64bit
2015-09-21T17:09:13 < Roklobotomy> strings shows no meaningfiul strings
2015-09-21T17:09:20 < dongs> yeah i did that an hour ago
2015-09-21T17:09:25 < dongs> there's no mips opcodes in there either
2015-09-21T17:09:33 < dongs> function prolog or anything like that
2015-09-21T17:09:51 < Roklobotomy> just to fuck with you
2015-09-21T17:10:34 < Roklobotomy> i have seen an appnote for the avr showing how to use aes to encrypt firmware.  mebbe they use something like it?
2015-09-21T17:10:43 < dongs> aes would be noise
2015-09-21T17:10:46 < dongs> and wouldnt compress 50%.
2015-09-21T17:10:49 < Roklobotomy> true
2015-09-21T17:11:11 < dongs> my guess is this is xor'd wiht some constant
2015-09-21T17:11:23 < dongs> but
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2015-09-21T17:11:48 < dongs> the 'constant' part im not so sure about
2015-09-21T17:11:53 < dongs> because there's areas of repeating crap
2015-09-21T17:11:55 < dongs> and they arent same
2015-09-21T17:12:46 < Roklobotomy> like Pu|:c
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2015-09-21T17:13:36 < BrainDamage> even aes can leak patterns trough, for example if the chain mode is ECB, this is a textbook example of patterns leaking trough encryption: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Tux_ecb.jpg
2015-09-21T17:13:46 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-21T17:13:58 < dongs> hopefully nobody is dumb enough in 2015 for that tho
2015-09-21T17:15:04 < englishman> rot13 is encryption
2015-09-21T17:17:50 < jpa-> lora has funny encryption.. they use aes_encrypt() on uplink, and aes_decrypt() on downlink - so that the end device only needs to support aes_encrypt()
2015-09-21T17:17:59 < jpa-> not so sure if it is actually secure :P
2015-09-21T17:19:08 < englishman> http://www.auelectronics.com/UserManual-Au_PICBootloader.htm
2015-09-21T17:19:14 < englishman> looks like good program to copypaste
2015-09-21T17:20:39 < dongs> thats not even dick32
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2015-09-21T17:31:37 < dongs> https://youtu.be/qRrJK5jTZSA?t=56 wat
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2015-09-21T17:35:30 < dongs> k giving up on i2c and zano for now
2015-09-21T17:35:48 < Sync> rekt
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2015-09-21T18:00:08 < Ecco> Yay!
2015-09-21T18:00:20 < Ecco> I just received the hot air gun you guys recommended
2015-09-21T18:02:46 < Tectu> do I hear Atten 858D+?
2015-09-21T18:02:48 < englishman> dongs does * no longer scroll thru layers
2015-09-21T18:03:00 < Ecco> Yep :)
2015-09-21T18:03:10 < Tectu> Ecco, yeah, everybody should have one of those
2015-09-21T18:03:15 < Ecco> Great
2015-09-21T18:03:29 < Ecco> I have never used one, I should grab a PCB to get some practice I guess
2015-09-21T18:05:22 < englishman> hm a lot of hotkeys arent working
2015-09-21T18:05:26 < englishman> most importantly tab
2015-09-21T18:05:51 < englishman> oh they are, but only at certain times
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2015-09-21T18:22:53 < dongs> englishman: err not sure, i just use +/-
2015-09-21T18:23:02 < dongs> englishman: err wat
2015-09-21T18:23:36 < dongs> all stuff is working for me
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2015-09-21T18:27:39 < Ecco> It says "SMD REWORK STATINO" on the package :-D
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2015-09-21T18:32:29 < Ecco> It also somehow tries to immitate the Hakko logo
2015-09-21T18:35:56 < englishman> dongs seems the hotkeys work less often
2015-09-21T18:36:10 < englishman> like in p-t you have to have a trace running before tab / * / +- work
2015-09-21T18:36:21 < englishman> and they dont work while just browsing around
2015-09-21T18:36:35 < dongs> +/- is working while im just scrolling pcb
2015-09-21T18:36:41 < englishman> * toggles between signal layers +- goes between all
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2015-09-21T18:36:51 < dongs> pt without starting trace works wiht +-
2015-09-21T18:36:53 < dongs> i never used *
2015-09-21T18:37:03 < englishman> hm my +- isnt working while browsing
2015-09-21T18:37:03 < dongs> cuz a fair bit of my shit is more than 2 layers
2015-09-21T18:37:08 < dongs> works here
2015-09-21T18:37:23 < englishman> yeah * is handy for 4L+
2015-09-21T18:37:29 < englishman> cuz it just goes between those 4
2015-09-21T18:37:33 < englishman> hm
2015-09-21T18:37:36 < englishman> duckin altidongs
2015-09-21T18:38:08 < dongs> that would be a documented change
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2015-09-21T18:40:58 < dongs> why you need tab before you drop a traec down in pt?
2015-09-21T18:41:29 < dongs> pt, start trace, you can ctrl+w to change width or tab then
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2015-09-21T18:41:59 < englishman> dickin with routing vias or whatever
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2015-09-21T18:42:01 < englishman> or push mode
2015-09-21T18:42:06 < dongs> shift=r
2015-09-21T18:42:09 < dongs> shift-space
2015-09-21T18:42:10 < dongs> or whatever
2015-09-21T18:42:13 < dongs> there's hotkeys fofr  that
2015-09-21T18:42:31 < kakimir> hot dongs
2015-09-21T18:42:45 < englishman> i just want my * back
2015-09-21T18:42:49 < dongs> heh
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2015-09-21T18:42:55 < dongs> never used it so i dont miss it!
2015-09-21T18:43:02 < dongs> oh i do have a numpad connected
2015-09-21T18:43:04 < englishman> well my +- too then
2015-09-21T18:43:04 < dongs> lets see wtf it does
2015-09-21T18:43:29 < dongs> bro * works fine
2015-09-21T18:43:41 < dongs> pt -> crosshair cursor, dont drop trace, 8 works
2015-09-21T18:43:42 < dongs> er *
2015-09-21T18:43:51 < dongs> pt -> crosshari -> start trace, * works
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2015-09-21T18:44:54 < englishman> not 4 me
2015-09-21T18:45:02 < dongs> u broke it
2015-09-21T18:45:04 < dongs> uninstall AVAST
2015-09-21T18:45:09 < zyp> route better
2015-09-21T18:45:18 < englishman> speaking of broke when do my moneys arrive
2015-09-21T18:45:34 < englishman> :(
2015-09-21T18:46:02 < dongs> jap trash holidays until thursday
2015-09-21T18:46:06 < dongs> i think i should be able to ship your trash then
2015-09-21T18:46:08 < dongs> or latest friday
2015-09-21T18:46:50 < englishman> thanks
2015-09-21T18:47:31 < dongs> i took some orders today to another post office
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2015-09-21T18:47:40 < dongs> of course they dont take my account billing account
2015-09-21T18:47:43 < dongs> so OI had to pay with real cash
2015-09-21T18:47:47 < dongs> like $150 in shipping
2015-09-21T18:47:49 < dongs> nevar again
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2015-09-21T18:49:24 < dongs> the biggest bitch on this one is the switches
2015-09-21T18:49:32 < dongs> if you wanna solder them i can for sure send thursday :)
2015-09-21T18:49:40 < englishman> thats weird theres a down arrow next to all menu items
2015-09-21T18:49:46 < dongs> wut
2015-09-21T18:49:49 < dongs> dude wat lunix trash did you install
2015-09-21T18:49:51 < englishman> like filev editv viewv
2015-09-21T18:50:00 < dongs> ya man, youve got hacked
2015-09-21T18:50:06 < dongs> nothing like this here
2015-09-21T18:50:06 < englishman> clearly
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2015-09-21T18:50:30 < dongs> y/n/m on soldering switches? :)
2015-09-21T18:50:56 < englishman> im gonna use LY-SK-02
2015-09-21T18:51:07 < dongs> from that china sitE? nice.
2015-09-21T18:51:10 < dongs> should be all over.
2015-09-21T18:51:24 < dongs> ya looks good
2015-09-21T18:51:26 < englishman> no clue if the pattern is right dox are dumb
2015-09-21T18:51:33 < englishman> but will see with the brototype
2015-09-21T18:52:02 < dongs> lol
2015-09-21T18:52:05 < dongs> it has boss holes
2015-09-21T18:52:10 < dongs> pattern doesn't show their location
2015-09-21T18:52:13 < dongs> er boss pins
2015-09-21T18:52:13 < englishman> right
2015-09-21T18:52:23 < dongs> ah, its on the other drawing tho
2015-09-21T18:52:27 < dongs> 3mm spacing between em
2015-09-21T18:52:31 < englishman> yea
2015-09-21T18:52:35 < dongs> but... no reference to offset?
2015-09-21T18:52:36 < englishman> i just assumed its in middle of switch
2015-09-21T18:52:39 < dongs> right
2015-09-21T18:52:41 < dongs> haha
2015-09-21T18:52:41 < englishman> and made slight larger pads
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2015-09-21T18:53:47 < englishman> arrows next to menu items only in pcb more not schematic mode
2015-09-21T18:54:21 < dongs> not here
2015-09-21T18:55:01 < dongs> clearly you downloaded some pirated version from unapproved shittorrent
2015-09-21T18:55:09 < dongs> instead of legal installer from altium.com
2015-09-21T18:55:19 < englishman> this is legit copy from russia
2015-09-21T18:55:23 < englishman> and it was working yesterday
2015-09-21T18:55:43 < dongs> reboot your windows VM
2015-09-21T18:55:49 < dongs> lunix kernel under it might be fucking u
2015-09-21T18:55:50 < dongs> p
2015-09-21T18:56:07 < englishman> i didnt install shutodwn in archlinux yet
2015-09-21T18:56:42 < englishman> ok i got hotkeys back but arroews are still there
2015-09-21T18:57:47 < englishman> oh i see its a different bar type
2015-09-21T18:57:59 < dongs> screenshot or it iddnt happen
2015-09-21T18:59:02 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/xPC6OSG.jpg
2015-09-21T18:59:10 < dongs> > jpg screenshot of gui
2015-09-21T18:59:15 < dongs> wtf wow
2015-09-21T18:59:19 < dongs> totally hacked
2015-09-21T18:59:20 < englishman> mspaint.exe
2015-09-21T18:59:29 < dongs> mspaint saves png
2015-09-21T18:59:35 < englishman> my dfefauly
2015-09-21T18:59:39 < englishman> by default
2015-09-21T18:59:41 < dongs> so like
2015-09-21T18:59:44 < dongs> wat happens if you click them?
2015-09-21T18:59:48 < dongs> the arrowz
2015-09-21T18:59:49 < englishman> they open
2015-09-21T19:00:12 < englishman> right clikc blank toolbar -> customize -> toolbars tab -> bar to use as main menu: set to pcb standard
2015-09-21T19:00:15 < englishman> instead of pcb menu
2015-09-21T19:01:16 < englishman> also check out this dude in the garden https://goo.gl/photos/5wNoS7i4u8u47vWG8
2015-09-21T19:01:44 < dongs> typicaldayinjapan
2015-09-21T19:02:41 < dongs> < englishman> right clikc blank toolbar -> customize -> toolbars tab -> bar to use as main menu: set to pcb standard
2015-09-21T19:02:44 < dongs> waht does this do
2015-09-21T19:02:57 < englishman> changes to bar with arroes
2015-09-21T19:03:11 < dongs> ooo
2015-09-21T19:03:24 < dongs> i see.
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2015-09-21T19:12:35 < dongs> wonder waht difference that makes
2015-09-21T19:12:47 < englishman> i didnt see any menu differences
2015-09-21T19:12:58 < dongs> maybe you can tear them off
2015-09-21T19:12:59 < dongs> lunix-style
2015-09-21T19:13:16 < dongs> tearoff menus are the worst fucking UI thing ever
2015-09-21T19:13:21 < dongs> no surprise it came from lunixfgs
2015-09-21T19:13:54 < dongs> http://www.usabilityfirst.com/glossary/tear-off-menu/
2015-09-21T19:13:57 < jubatus> Windows NT was the pinnacle of UI design. Its all downhill from there.
2015-09-21T19:14:03 < dongs> This is especially useful if a menu contains extremely common commands that a user may want to have ready access to at all times, but that some users may not need (so it doesn.t need to be a window all the time).
2015-09-21T19:14:09 < dongs> its called "shortcut key"
2015-09-21T19:14:20 < jubatus> or collapsing menus.
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2015-09-21T19:56:42 < ReadError> dongs http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=32743876&postcount=3119
2015-09-21T19:57:47 < dongs> haha
2015-09-21T19:57:51 < englishman> top pilots
2015-09-21T19:57:51 < dongs> bedtime
2015-09-21T19:57:56 < dongs> yeah stopped readin there
2015-09-21T19:58:34 < Simon--> is that re boris?
2015-09-21T19:58:52 < Simon--> that guy posted a bunch of crap once after emailing me saying how "we're" working on stuff
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2015-09-21T20:04:08 < englishman> im a top pro esports gamer making millions of dollars a year i live in a house with 9 other 22 year olds and you need to buy the Razer Deathadder to play like i do
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2015-09-21T20:05:56 < fenugrec> haha... I have a razer DA and I'm not too impressed, it's unreliable on anything but perfect mousepads
2015-09-21T20:06:14 < fenugrec> good thing I don't game anymore
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2015-09-21T20:11:45 < karlp> fenugrec: I see you got a loop asking linux-usb and being referred back to me again :)
2015-09-21T20:12:20 < fenugrec> karlp well I didn't technically ask in linux-usb; Johan did that p-) but yeah, I got a laugh seeing how I got circular-referenced back to you
2015-09-21T20:13:56 < karlp> clearly you need to take my tree of hacks and finish it off :)
2015-09-21T20:15:20 < fenugrec> karlp well you were only working on parity /datasize stuff ?
2015-09-21T20:15:40 < karlp> no, they basically said they wouldnt' accept only that patch.
2015-09-21T20:15:50 < karlp> was a bit disheartening, I had made it clearly better,
2015-09-21T20:16:15 < karlp> the existing driver is a pile of magic numbers, clearly grandfathered in at a time of laxer commit reviews
2015-09-21T20:16:29 < karlp> I was expected to prove that the magic number I changed didn't have any other impacts.
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2015-09-21T20:16:43 < karlp> when there'd been no proof in the original code that it was right
2015-09-21T20:16:54 < fenugrec> and just referring to the orig crappy code wasn't enough ?
2015-09-21T20:16:55 < fenugrec> aah
2015-09-21T20:17:06 < fenugrec> *referring to the mfg crappy code
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2015-09-21T20:19:56 < fenugrec> I had to butcher the mfg code to get it to compile, I'm wondering if you managed to test it too ? After more testing my hack seems to have broken sending breaks on TXD (either that or the mfg didn't code it in)
2015-09-21T20:20:31 < karlp> no, I never tried the vendor code directly.
2015-09-21T20:20:49 < karlp> I was trying to set up some sort of test suite
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2015-09-21T20:21:47 < fenugrec> lol
2015-09-21T20:22:05 < karlp> Needed a sane way of testing that all the things worked
2015-09-21T20:22:47 < karlp> that got "hard" and I got a little bored trying to figure out what this weeks flavour of how the tty layer was meant to be used
2015-09-21T20:23:09 < fenugrec> Well I have a testsuite of sorts - I connect as half-duplex, and test writes/reads, and with a scope I can verify pattern generation (0x55 bytes @ 10.4k and 15kbps, RTS / CTS twiddling, 25ms / 500ms break on TXD)
2015-09-21T20:23:18 < fenugrec> but it's extra hard to automate
2015-09-21T20:23:43 < karlp> yeah, that's just manual testing.
2015-09-21T20:23:49 < karlp> I wass't interested in that :)
2015-09-21T20:23:54 < karlp> too hard basket
2015-09-21T20:23:58 < fenugrec> I mean, the tests are scripted, but you need to watch the scope
2015-09-21T20:24:21 < karlp> did you have another working device as the remote end?
2015-09-21T20:24:23 < fenugrec> except the loopback tests of course.
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2015-09-21T20:24:40 < karlp> I was kinda disappointed with the state of serial port test tools
2015-09-21T20:24:59 < fenugrec> yes, I have a standalone car ECU that is so hard to talk to that it actually is a good indicator of tty API health
2015-09-21T20:25:18 < fenugrec> (it lives on my desk now... sooo much easier than going to the garage every time)
2015-09-21T20:25:30 < karlp> I'm not interested in loopback at all, as if you try and set parity and it is ignored for instance, loopback wouldn't catch that at all.
2015-09-21T20:25:57 < fenugrec> Well I'm not interested in parity at all p-))
2015-09-21T20:26:09 < karlp> parity was just an example.
2015-09-21T20:26:21 < fenugrec> (Except for a single 7E1 byte that gets transmitted during init)
2015-09-21T20:26:23 < karlp> ifyou try setting rts and it doesn't set any rts features, loopback would still work too.
2015-09-21T20:27:01 < fenugrec> karlp true. The best would almost be an oldschool modem that honours flow ctl, etc
2015-09-21T20:27:20 < karlp> just needs testtools that can be given a "left" and "right" device
2015-09-21T20:27:25 < fenugrec> but you won't make me believe that all the other serial drivers in the kernel are tested to such an extent
2015-09-21T20:27:38 < karlp> only serial port testing stuff I found was for loopback single device, mostly caring about speed
2015-09-21T20:27:52 < karlp> yeah, they're mostly just tested by lots of users with eweird edge cases
2015-09-21T20:27:58 < fenugrec> hah, simpler even : null-modem two serial ports on the same comp; one "known-good" (or known-better)
2015-09-21T20:28:05 < karlp> hence what I mean about being sad at the state of comprehensive serial port test suites
2015-09-21T20:28:14 < karlp> yeah, that's the way I wanted it.
2015-09-21T20:28:27 < karlp> ftdi/cp2104 "left" wired to a ch34x "right" under test.
2015-09-21T20:28:34 < fenugrec> right, right
2015-09-21T20:31:48 < fenugrec> You never had the problem I'm having, though ? (can't run "stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0" twice, etc)
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2015-09-21T20:41:41 < karlp> fenugrec: I saw many problems that were related to re-opening the device, yes.
2015-09-21T20:42:04 < karlp> the way it calls open, the way it decides where it needs to re-configure the device, and the way it saves "state" all appeared to be busted.
2015-09-21T20:42:11 < karlp> my tree starts down the road of trying to fix that,
2015-09-21T20:42:32 < karlp> but I never understood the way the drivers are _meant_ to be called, and "use the source luke" with the entire kernel tree wasns't super helpful.
2015-09-21T20:43:59 < fenugrec> oh yeah I know what you mean. And existing serial driver seems to be architected in a different way
2015-09-21T20:44:11 < fenugrec> *drivers
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2015-09-22T01:20:38 < Laurenceb__> http://www.wanksock.com/
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2015-09-22T01:44:47 < Laurenceb__> no surprise that prices are in UKP
2015-09-22T01:45:11 < mtbg> "Can excessive use cause blindness?"
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2015-09-22T02:11:47 < ds2> arrrrggg.. does Keil have a way to flash a precompiled axf file?
2015-09-22T02:26:19 < zyp> isn't that just an elf?
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2015-09-22T02:37:16 < ds2> file format is not hte issue
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2015-09-22T02:37:28 < ds2> fingering out how to get Keil to take a precompiled binary is
2015-09-22T02:37:33 < ds2> it seems to always want to rebuild
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2015-09-22T03:03:59 < ds2> figured it out
2015-09-22T03:04:09 < ds2> got to create a dummy project w/o any sources
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2015-09-22T03:19:14 < dongs> 5.) Record the entire experience with the Zano in full HD using "follow me" mode.
2015-09-22T03:19:56 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV-h1guJsJg&feature=youtu.be
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2015-09-22T03:20:59 < Roklobsta> dongs: get anywhere with the 'data' file?
2015-09-22T03:21:12 < dongs> Roklobsta: nup, gave up when i said i was going to
2015-09-22T03:21:17 < dongs> im gonna wait for new app to go public
2015-09-22T03:21:24 < dongs> with updated libzaNOOOOOOO
2015-09-22T03:21:30 < dongs> and see wat it does after actaully getting firmware bin
2015-09-22T03:21:49 < dongs> the one with current app that was public'd by mistake just tries to download and does nothing
2015-09-22T03:22:37 < Roklobsta> well that's HD for 1990.
2015-09-22T03:25:14 < dongs> haha @ onboard video
2015-09-22T03:25:16 < dongs> time to retweet
2015-09-22T03:26:49 < GargantuaSauce> > 480p and 13fps.
2015-09-22T03:27:19 < Lux> garbage
2015-09-22T03:27:26 < dongs> beyond garbage
2015-09-22T03:27:31 < dongs> Wissel, many thanks for the video. If that was your first time flying a drone and controlling it in windy conditions with just your phone/tablet to boot and no GPS then I think that was pretty impressive and those muttering criticisms are being somewhat harsh..
2015-09-22T03:27:32 < Lux> doesn't even look like they tuned the pids properly
2015-09-22T03:27:35 < dongs> haha
2015-09-22T03:27:42 < GargantuaSauce> yeah you can hear it oscillating constantly
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2015-09-22T03:28:13 < Roklobsta> coz making a drone is so easy, yannow.
2015-09-22T03:28:19 < GargantuaSauce> yeah it is
2015-09-22T03:28:29 < GargantuaSauce> you pay $60 to china for one with better performance on ALL FRONTS
2015-09-22T03:28:30 < Lux> it's not that hard either
2015-09-22T03:28:42 < Roklobsta> i bet not one of those numpty programmers even sat through a single control system lecture
2015-09-22T03:28:49 < Roklobsta> WIKI PID.  Done.
2015-09-22T03:29:21 < Lux> to be fair it's not like those lectures are that useful
2015-09-22T03:29:48 < Sync> well at least you understand what to do
2015-09-22T03:29:49 < GargantuaSauce> brian douglas youtube lectures are pretty decent
2015-09-22T03:30:00 < GargantuaSauce> as an introduction at least
2015-09-22T03:30:26 < Roklobsta> They think a 'root locus' is something deep fried in tempura batter at a hipster Japanese/Eskimo mashup cafe.
2015-09-22T03:30:31 < Sync> although I'm not sure if PID is right for drones
2015-09-22T03:30:47 < Lux> cascaded pids work well
2015-09-22T03:30:51 < GargantuaSauce> for rate control with a person in the loop it's perfect
2015-09-22T03:31:04 < dongs> Roklobsta: but hand-tuned PIC32 ASM
2015-09-22T03:31:05 < Sync> with a right model you should only need PI
2015-09-22T03:31:23 < Sync> or rather P with feed forward
2015-09-22T03:31:30 < Lux> nah
2015-09-22T03:31:58 < Lux> that won't feel good
2015-09-22T03:32:32 < dongs> 3. The quality of the video is appalling, hopefully this will get better but at the minute that's just horrendous!!
2015-09-22T03:32:35 < dongs> lolz
2015-09-22T03:32:48 < GargantuaSauce> its ok, they have a hpc to stabilize your video in post
2015-09-22T03:32:55 < GargantuaSauce> the cloud solves everything
2015-09-22T03:33:15 < Sync> Lux: my motorcontroller does that
2015-09-22T03:33:25 < Sync> we have no D anywhere
2015-09-22T03:33:36 < Sync> and very little PI components
2015-09-22T03:33:40 < Sync> most is P and FF
2015-09-22T03:35:13 < Lux> but a quad is quite a bit different from a motorcontroller
2015-09-22T03:35:43 < Lux> more like controlling a dc motor for position control i guess
2015-09-22T03:36:28 < Sync> bldc servos with FOC
2015-09-22T03:37:13 < Sync> but it basically is the same
2015-09-22T03:37:18 < dongs> Next question: did you run the resulting 13fps file through the HPC first or not?
2015-09-22T03:37:21 < dongs> posted for lulz
2015-09-22T03:37:42 < Sync> as you know how the thing will react
2015-09-22T03:37:45 < Roklobsta> HPC must be using some open sores image processing.
2015-09-22T03:38:06 < Sync> ffmkek like yotube
2015-09-22T03:38:27 < mtbg> they will increase fps by morphing a frame into next one in a few steps
2015-09-22T03:38:58 < Lux> Sync: true, it's not too hard to simulate and mathematically describe the physical model
2015-09-22T03:39:25 < Lux> but i haven't done that, my experience is more from coding stuff and trying it out
2015-09-22T03:39:35 < Sync> we're running a full physical model in my motor controller
2015-09-22T03:39:56 < Sync> so that we can calculate gravity torque offsets
2015-09-22T03:40:03 < Sync> for e.g. roboter arms
2015-09-22T03:40:52 < Roklobsta> Sync: you planning on flying on Jupiter?
2015-09-22T03:41:06 < Lux> that'll get complex on a quad
2015-09-22T03:41:52 < Lux> you'll also need motors where you can actually set the force they apply and all the physical dimensions etc
2015-09-22T03:41:53 < Roklobsta> eh, big nasty simultaneous equation solver in realtime with fixed point maths at 24MHz.  What could possibly go wrong?
2015-09-22T03:41:57 < Lux> sounds like a pita to me
2015-09-22T03:42:12 < Sync> no, but it is important for roboter arms or linear axis if you want to command a pure torque
2015-09-22T03:42:45 < Lux> heavy industrial roboter arms ?
2015-09-22T03:44:56 < Sync> doesn't really matter
2015-09-22T03:45:15 < Lux> sure does
2015-09-22T03:45:24 < Sync> that way we don't need an integral part in the torque control
2015-09-22T03:45:31 < Sync> nah, the values are just differen
2015-09-22T03:45:32 < Sync> t
2015-09-22T03:45:54 < GargantuaSauce> those usually just use position control i think
2015-09-22T03:46:07 < GargantuaSauce> the fancy newer ones with compliance and stuff have force control
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2015-09-22T03:47:25 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5-DTbbZKmk
2015-09-22T03:47:59 < GargantuaSauce> oh dammit that video was boring...there was a really good one
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2015-09-22T03:48:46 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Or0kym2uic
2015-09-22T03:48:47 < Roklobsta> eh post the one of the 7personboatcrash again.  fumpump.
2015-09-22T03:49:56 < dongs> haha
2015-09-22T03:50:12 < dongs> man that zano onboard footage is awful
2015-09-22T03:50:53 < dongs> i wonder wat happened to 'obstacle avoidance' when he crashed it into the rock
2015-09-22T03:51:26 < GargantuaSauce> the same thing that happened to the other dozen features that are obviously missing from that video
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2015-09-22T03:51:37 < dongs> you mean like landing on hand
2015-09-22T03:51:40 < dongs> and holding position
2015-09-22T03:51:49 < dongs> and taking hirespics with nice DoF of a biker riding
2015-09-22T03:51:54 < dongs> precisely tracking its position?
2015-09-22T03:51:55 < dongs> RIGHT
2015-09-22T03:52:29 < GargantuaSauce> to name a few
2015-09-22T03:54:42 < Sync> GargantuaSauce: the code for the thing was developed by my university
2015-09-22T03:55:23 < GargantuaSauce> cool
2015-09-22T03:55:44 < dongs> by beaubeautheman42 » 1 minute ago
2015-09-22T03:55:44 < dongs> Will there be a stabilization option in the app to correct the wobble?
2015-09-22T03:56:23 < dongs> J. R. Goes 32 minutes ago
2015-09-22T03:56:23 < dongs> Wissel Thanks for the video,
2015-09-22T03:56:23 < dongs> it is disappointing compared to what was announced by Tourquing.
2015-09-22T03:56:24 < dongs> Very loud noise, the camera shoots precariously
2015-09-22T03:56:25 < dongs> lolll
2015-09-22T03:56:43 < GargantuaSauce> looking forward to their response
2015-09-22T03:57:12 < dongs> I have a half dozen friends posting amazing DJI footage in 1080p with silky smooth motion seemingly all the time on facebook. Entry level DJI's cost $500 plus a GoPro, so sorta wishing I had saved a little more and just bought one of those.
2015-09-22T03:57:16 < dongs> ownt
2015-09-22T03:58:02 < dongs> I hope the development team are as good as the marketing team, but when Ivan, the tech lead was a commercial lawyer, then a self taught coder, now head of technology, I do have my doubts... that is all I can say until I receive mine...
2015-09-22T03:58:06 < dongs> haha
2015-09-22T04:01:58 < Sync> rekt
2015-09-22T04:02:49 < dongs> updated noflyzano
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2015-09-22T04:18:08 < Roklobsta> for drones to navigate the world i think something like copying bee vision is a good bet.  I recall seeing stuff by scientists at the A.N.U. about this 7+ years ago.  They were able to control the bees flight by adjusting what each eye saw.
2015-09-22T04:24:21 < Roklobsta> for the idle.  http://www.lifescientist.com.au/content/health-medical/news/beauty-is-in-the-eye-of-the-bee-holder-15344279
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2015-09-22T04:31:41 < mtbg> "I like the sound, definitely sounds like it's swarming to me."
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2015-09-22T04:43:01 < dongs> heh
2015-09-22T04:43:28 < dongs> Dean 14 minutes ago
2015-09-22T04:43:28 < dongs> How do you cancel a get refunded??
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2015-09-22T04:47:44 < dongs> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/regina-bike-racks-draw-comparisons-to-nazi-swastikas-1.3237250
2015-09-22T04:47:47 < dongs> haha
2015-09-22T04:47:53 < dongs> wacky canadians
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2015-09-22T05:03:08 < dongs> Was the footage at the end (recorded by the Zano) streamed to your phone/tablet and taken from there or directly from an SD card onboard the Zano?
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2015-09-22T05:35:02 < aandrew> I swear do you have news filters that search for keywords
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2015-09-22T05:39:04 < GargantuaSauce> one does not earn the title of protroll through ineptitude
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2015-09-22T05:42:07 < upgrdman> tattoo for R2COM   http://i.imgur.com/AkyCbSn.jpg
2015-09-22T05:42:47 < upgrdman> ^ nsfw
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2015-09-22T05:43:55 < aandrew> that's... that's quite the tattoo
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2015-09-22T05:46:37 < upgrdman> ya i dont care much for tats, but that is some good ink work
2015-09-22T05:56:54 < upgrdman> lolol   http://imgur.com/gallery/bMaHIuY
2015-09-22T06:11:10 < aandrew> haha
2015-09-22T06:14:27 < dongs> so i grabbed this atari porftoli off some italian faggot on ebay
2015-09-22T06:14:34 < dongs> for 30 or40 eur
2015-09-22T06:14:40 < dongs> it was auctioned as not working
2015-09-22T06:14:48 < dongs> popped case off, there's rust on negative battery contact
2015-09-22T06:14:56 < dongs> hooked up to power supply, works fine
2015-09-22T06:14:57 < dongs> ?????
2015-09-22T06:16:11 < Roklobsta> why do you want such old crap?
2015-09-22T06:16:38 < dongs> i was gonna stick a color LCD and atom or quark in there
2015-09-22T06:16:55 < dongs> then make it on frontpage of hackadaty
2015-09-22T06:17:13 < Roklobsta> the dongs' wet dream.
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2015-09-22T06:18:55 < Roklobsta> have you done anything with one of the Atom-for-a-stick   CPUs?
2015-09-22T06:20:19 < dongs> noes
2015-09-22T06:20:26 < dongs> just saw some dickstarters trying to reselle them
2015-09-22T06:29:30 < ds2> can you buy atoms in singles now?
2015-09-22T06:29:42 < dongs> yea on mouser.
2015-09-22T06:29:57 < ds2> any reference schematics with the power stuff?
2015-09-22T06:43:19 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/new/Intel/intel-e3800-processor/
2015-09-22T06:43:20 < dongs> i duno
2015-09-22T06:43:28 < dongs> there's minnowboard
2015-09-22T06:43:31 < dongs> that should have schematrics?
2015-09-22T06:43:46 < dongs> http://www.elinux.org/Minnowboard:MinnowMax
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2015-09-22T06:56:58 < upgrdman> dongs, check out what some guy sent dave. super lol:  https://youtu.be/L5oQbdgsLtE?t=161
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2015-09-22T06:59:41 < dongs> fuck eevblag
2015-09-22T06:59:46 < dongs> http://www.rskey.org/pfolio cute
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2015-09-22T07:51:20 < GargantuaSauce> no chats
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2015-09-22T07:59:09 < upgrdman> upgrdman> tattoo for R2COM   http://i.imgur.com/AkyCbSn.jpg
2015-09-22T07:59:20 < upgrdman> R2COM ^
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2015-09-22T08:15:21 < DanteA> High modern art
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2015-09-22T08:32:30 < dongs> awful
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2015-09-22T09:33:51 < PeterM> upgrdman, tbh, while the content of the art isnt exactly tastful high art, the person who actually did the tat has some skill, the gradients are very smooht + even, there is quite a bit of resolution etc, i'd give it 9/10
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2015-09-22T10:45:01 < ReadError> gj freenode
2015-09-22T10:45:08 < akaWolf> ?
2015-09-22T10:45:10 < ReadError> k-line all of irccloud
2015-09-22T10:45:12 < ReadError> excellent idea
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2015-09-22T10:51:05 < PeterM> i see no issue with that
2015-09-22T10:51:41 < jpa-> PeterM: why not?
2015-09-22T10:54:22 < PeterM> when you use a service like that you can't expect it to be reliable, for whatever reason
2015-09-22T10:57:12 < jpa-> eh?
2015-09-22T10:57:26 < jpa-> when can you expect IRC to be reliable?
2015-09-22T10:57:42 < jpa-> but you can still expect admins not to ban thousands of people for no fault of their own
2015-09-22T10:58:03 < ReadError> its fairly reliable
2015-09-22T10:59:05 < PeterM> you can do things to make it more reliable, one if to not used a web irc client
2015-09-22T10:59:26 < PeterM> one is to not use a*
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2015-09-22T11:00:12 < jpa-> PeterM: you do know that irccloud is not just plain old web irc?
2015-09-22T11:00:20 < PeterM> yes
2015-09-22T11:00:47 < jpa-> i can't understand why a bouncer that you connect to through web browser would necessarily be any less reliable than a bouncer or irssi you connect by ssh
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2015-09-22T11:01:15 < jpa-> and any of those should be a lot more reliable than home internet connection, unless it is on a particularly crappy server
2015-09-22T11:01:35 < PeterM> because you can't choose your bouncers internet connectivity using irccloud
2015-09-22T11:02:14 < ReadError> well they obviously have some relationship with freenode
2015-09-22T11:02:17 < ReadError> given the hostname
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2015-09-22T11:02:42 < jpa-> PeterM: so you assume irccloud has bad internet connection and that causes them to be banned?
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2015-09-22T11:03:02 < simoneferrini> Hey guys, do you know a way to reset my stm32 from stm32 system workbench? I see the pin 3 of swd is the reset one, but I haven't found a way to say to the debugger to trigger it. Thanks!
2015-09-22T11:03:05 < PeterM> no
2015-09-22T11:03:56 < jpa-> simoneferrini: what debugger and debugger software do you use?
2015-09-22T11:04:35 < jpa-> by "stm32 system workbench" i assume openocd? the the command is   "monitor reset halt"   if inside gdb, or just   "reset halt"   in openocd directly
2015-09-22T11:05:33 < jpa-> PeterM: then i fail to see what relevance your ranting has - i haven't seen much disconnections due to any failure in ircclouds connections
2015-09-22T11:06:07 < jpa-> PeterM: freenode might as well ban everyone if the point is "you can ban people if they have an internet connection that is not 100% reliable"
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2015-09-22T11:06:28 < dongs> irccloud just got klined
2015-09-22T11:06:32 < PeterM> it's jsut the inherent nature of it being centralized opposed to distributed
2015-09-22T11:06:48 < dongs> or like 30mins ago
2015-09-22T11:06:50 < dongs> mabe its fixed now.
2015-09-22T11:07:13 < ReadError> I just clicked re-connect and it came back fine
2015-09-22T11:07:20 < jpa-> PeterM: are you opposed to shell servers also?
2015-09-22T11:07:54 < ReadError> IMO its no different than companies selling shells
2015-09-22T11:08:06 < ReadError> except they offer nice web client and mobile clients
2015-09-22T11:08:10 < PeterM> jpa-, to an extent no, to an extent yes
2015-09-22T11:08:55 < simoneferrini> I've been banned too :/
2015-09-22T11:09:28 < ReadError> not banned, just disconnected
2015-09-22T11:10:14 < simoneferrini> Anyway I use the st-link on the STM32F4 Discovery board
2015-09-22T11:10:32 < ReadError> <wirehack7> einsteinK, see the latest twitter feed of @irccloud: <IRCCloud> [30] If you're using Freenode you'll have to manually reconnect after an accidental Kline knocked everyone off.
2015-09-22T11:10:41 < ReadError> apparently it was a retarded fat fingered oper
2015-09-22T11:11:22 < jpa-> you mean like every freenode oper, right?
2015-09-22T11:11:36 < ReadError> yea im sure they are all pretty obese
2015-09-22T11:14:39 < dongs> I'm really looking forward to the proper app with more of the functions working. This will be great for a newb like me. But what I'm really looking forward to is version 1.1 as I think this is when Zano will really start to shine.
2015-09-22T11:16:09 < Ecco> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnIFLf6KYOQ
2015-09-22T11:16:58 < icee> dongs: you make me want to find and help the zano guys just for how incredulous you'll be if they actually ship
2015-09-22T11:18:24 < dongs> icee, hte only "help" they need is to throw away everythign tehy have and actually do a proper design
2015-09-22T11:21:32 < PaulFertser> jpa-: also, in gdb "start" and "run" work to reset if extended-remote is used.
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2015-09-22T11:22:49 < PaulFertser> Of course, "reset_config srst_only" should be used to actually pull the SRST line down.
2015-09-22T11:24:52 < icee> dongs: yah, but that's the only help anyone ever needs :P
2015-09-22T11:25:02 < ReadError> i searched youtube for zano + past week
2015-09-22T11:25:07 < ReadError> no flying vids ;(
2015-09-22T11:27:27 < emeryth> realistically, what's the highest possible baudrate for a uart on f4?
2015-09-22T11:28:16 < Sync> I have run it at full tilt
2015-09-22T11:29:24 < emeryth> that is?
2015-09-22T11:30:32 < icee> i think some of the usarts you can run at ~3.5MHz
2015-09-22T11:32:55 < Sync> look in the datasheet
2015-09-22T11:36:58 < jpa-> yeah, depends on which uart and which clock speed and whether you need to match some standard rate
2015-09-22T11:37:05 < simoneferrini> And what about the user-defined commands in the console? I'm trying to add a command like "rst" which does "monitor reset halt" as a shortcut
2015-09-22T11:37:33 < simoneferrini> Seems I misunderstood the "define" command
2015-09-22T11:37:56 < PaulFertser> simoneferrini: duh, just use "run" or "start".
2015-09-22T11:38:10 < jpa-> alias rst = monitor reset halt
2015-09-22T11:38:49 < jpa-> but yeah, what PaulFertser says works also, atleast as long as you are debugging the .elf that you are running
2015-09-22T11:39:15 < jpa-> (run/start sets PC to value from .elf i think, not the value from vector table)
2015-09-22T11:39:33 < simoneferrini> jpa-: invalid command to alias to:monitor reset halt
2015-09-22T11:39:33 < jpa-> (or maybe what i remember doesn't apply to extended remote)
2015-09-22T11:40:01 < jpa-> simoneferrini: ah, too bad
2015-09-22T11:40:19 < jpa-> just use define then
2015-09-22T11:40:26 < jpa-> or "run" :P
2015-09-22T11:40:33 < jpa-> or, "r" for short
2015-09-22T11:41:06 < PaulFertser> jpa-: (setting PC) can't confirm or deny, but should be trivial to discover with "set debug remote 1".
2015-09-22T11:41:53 < simoneferrini> The "remote" target does not support "run" :(
2015-09-22T11:42:04 < simoneferrini> Neither "start"
2015-09-22T11:42:33 < PaulFertser> simoneferrini: ``in gdb "start" and "run" work to reset if extended-remote is used. ''
2015-09-22T11:42:47 < PaulFertser> simoneferrini: just do not use remote.
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2015-09-22T13:16:27 < karlp> who was talking about lora the other day? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/22/orange_juices_iot/
2015-09-22T13:19:10 < jpa-> probably me
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2015-09-22T13:27:18 < qyx_> huh, are they serious?
2015-09-22T13:27:30 < jpa-> why not?
2015-09-22T13:28:31 < jpa-> if they already have the towers, adding the gateways is not that much per tower and range is some 10km
2015-09-22T13:28:36 < qyx_> are they going to shit over the whole ism band with that chirp spread spectrum no-one-knows-how proprietary thing?
2015-09-22T13:29:08 < qyx_> besides that there is only one manufacturer of that stuff and it is not standardised iirc
2015-09-22T13:29:10 < jpa-> over the 868 band within the limits specified, sure
2015-09-22T13:29:37 < kakimir> I wonder if I should get mobira cityman or whatever that was and then hack it with radio firmware
2015-09-22T13:29:50 < kakimir> that thing you carry around
2015-09-22T13:30:00 < jpa-> kakimir: eh, why?
2015-09-22T13:30:06 < kakimir> friend had one
2015-09-22T13:30:33 < kakimir> as radio for ~450mhz area
2015-09-22T13:30:54 < kakimir> there is firmware available for it
2015-09-22T13:31:12 < kakimir> he had a pile of those phones
2015-09-22T13:31:16 < jpa-> qyx_: dunno how standard you consider this, but spec is available  https://www.lora-alliance.org/kbdetail/Contenttype/ArticleDet/moduleId/583/Aid/23/PR/PR
2015-09-22T13:31:21 < kakimir> got them free
2015-09-22T13:32:14 < kakimir> but I think I want something smaller and more modern
2015-09-22T13:33:49 < jpa-> to use for what purpose?
2015-09-22T13:35:18 < kakimir> to be radio faggot
2015-09-22T13:35:25 < kakimir> idk.
2015-09-22T13:36:42 < jpa-> for reception, just use rtl sdr
2015-09-22T13:36:56 < jpa-> for transmission, get hackrf
2015-09-22T13:37:28 < kakimir> crappy stuff
2015-09-22T13:37:50 < jpa-> unless your aim is to talk on amateur radio freqs - but it seems to me that 450MHz is not any amateur band in europe
2015-09-22T13:38:17 < kakimir> he used ism area but with half a watt power
2015-09-22T13:38:23 < kakimir> 433 or so
2015-09-22T13:38:28 < Ecco> What's the difference between the B and BL instructions?
2015-09-22T13:38:41 < kakimir> letter L
2015-09-22T13:38:46 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-22T13:38:53 < Ecco> sure :)
2015-09-22T13:39:09 < jpa-> kakimir: so hm, transmitting what? or just chatting? is that even legal amount of power for that freq?
2015-09-22T13:39:24 < jpa-> Ecco: bl loads the LR so that you can return from sub routine
2015-09-22T13:39:31 < Ecco> oh ok
2015-09-22T13:39:38 < Ecco> so it's jump vs "jump to subroutine"
2015-09-22T13:39:43 < Ecco> got it, thanks
2015-09-22T13:39:55 < Ecco> ok, GDB is driving me crazy
2015-09-22T13:40:06 < Ecco> when I "step", it actually does "next"
2015-09-22T13:40:14 < jpa-> use "stepi"
2015-09-22T13:40:18 < jpa-> and "display /i $pc"
2015-09-22T13:40:21 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-22T13:41:18 < Ecco> this does work
2015-09-22T13:41:29 < Ecco> but why doesn't it work the "normal" way
2015-09-22T13:41:49 < jpa-> probably compiler optimizations confuse gdb
2015-09-22T13:41:53 < Ecco> hmm
2015-09-22T13:41:57 < Ecco> I build with -O0
2015-09-22T13:42:01 < jpa-> hm
2015-09-22T13:42:09 < jpa-> then it is just open sores crap ;)
2015-09-22T13:42:16 < Ecco> The line I'm debugging is "Obj a = b +c;"
2015-09-22T13:42:25 < Ecco> (that's C++ with operator overloading, "+" should call a function)
2015-09-22T13:42:30 < Ecco> which it does when I stepi
2015-09-22T13:42:42 < Ecco> unfortunately I'm not fluentin ARM asm
2015-09-22T13:43:04 < Ecco> oh wait
2015-09-22T13:43:07 < Ecco> I'm not doing -O0
2015-09-22T13:43:12 < Ecco> I'm just not specifying any -O flag
2015-09-22T13:44:09 < Ecco> Doesn't change a damn thing :(
2015-09-22T13:44:28 < Ecco> also I wrote my own "abort" function, and when I break on it the backtrace is empty :-/
2015-09-22T13:44:38 < kakimir> jpa-: he is radio amateur. he can do the fuk he wants
2015-09-22T13:44:39 < Ecco> (which makes no sense)
2015-09-22T13:44:52 < jpa-> kakimir: nope, limits apply
2015-09-22T13:45:16 < kakimir> chat and modem
2015-09-22T13:45:41 < jpa-> but yeah, looks like amateurs can transmit quite a bit of power on 433 MHz
2015-09-22T13:52:05 < Ecco> Hmm, I feel like I have an issue with my C++ runtime init
2015-09-22T13:52:14 < Ecco> What should be done prior to running C++ code?
2015-09-22T13:53:23 < Ecco> (iow, just like C code expects you to zero-out bss and copy data to RAM)
2015-09-22T13:53:32 < Lux> You need to fix the startup code
2015-09-22T13:53:38 < Ecco> Yes I guess Id o
2015-09-22T13:53:44 < Ecco> but what should it do?
2015-09-22T13:54:11 < jpa-> Ecco: well, if you need the construction of static objects, you should do that
2015-09-22T13:54:12 < Lux> With cpp you also need to run the constructors of global objects
2015-09-22T13:54:24 < Ecco> Yes. This I've explicitely avoided so far.
2015-09-22T13:54:34 < Ecco> I will need it at some point though, but I'm not using any for now
2015-09-22T13:54:37 < Ecco> Supposedly, though
2015-09-22T13:54:39 < jpa-> other than that, crt0 has been enough for all my c++ needs also
2015-09-22T13:54:47 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-22T13:54:55 < Ecco> I've rolled my own crt0
2015-09-22T13:54:58 < Ecco> It's very simple
2015-09-22T13:55:04 < Ecco> Maybe I missed something there
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2015-09-22T13:55:18 < Ecco> (copy data section to ram, zero out bss, and that's it)
2015-09-22T13:55:35 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/22/man_paints_ball_forty_years/
2015-09-22T13:56:10 < jpa-> Ecco: nah, should be enough
2015-09-22T13:57:06 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-22T13:57:13 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/dso-quad-logic/blob/master/DS203/startup.c   c++ runs fine with that
2015-09-22T13:57:28 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/dso-quad-logic/blob/master/cxxglue.cc   though that is useful also
2015-09-22T13:57:41 < Ecco> first link == pretty much what I do
2015-09-22T13:57:58 < Ecco> ohwait
2015-09-22T13:58:05 < Ecco> abort is a standard C++ function?
2015-09-22T13:58:11 < Ecco> Maybe that's what is happening
2015-09-22T13:59:40 < jpa-> debugger would tell, probably
2015-09-22T14:00:39 < Ecco> well
2015-09-22T14:00:41 < Ecco> ok that's very weird
2015-09-22T14:01:04 < Ecco> (gdb) bt
2015-09-22T14:01:05 < Ecco> #0  __assert (expression=0x800696a "result", file=0x8006892 "code/test/file.cpp", line=19) at lib/src/assert.c:5
2015-09-22T14:01:07 < Ecco> (gdb)
2015-09-22T14:01:31 < dongs> sup gdb pros
2015-09-22T14:01:38 < Ecco> :-)
2015-09-22T14:03:54 < dongs> < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/dso-quad-logic/blob/master/DS203/startup.c   c++ runs fine with that
2015-09-22T14:03:58 < dongs> is that c ompletely asm-less startup?
2015-09-22T14:04:20 < dongs> oh, too much gcc aids
2015-09-22T14:04:25 < dongs> not gonna work on a real compiler
2015-09-22T14:06:04 < mitrax> Ecco: what's happening exactly?
2015-09-22T14:09:48 < kakimir> what is you relationship with DS203?
2015-09-22T14:09:59 < kakimir> are you like involved in it somehow?
2015-09-22T14:11:31 < mitrax> kakimir: how is that triac controller box going? :)
2015-09-22T14:12:55 < dongs> kakimir: yeah
2015-09-22T14:14:07 < kakimir> mitrax: waiting passives from chinas to arrive
2015-09-22T14:14:22 < kakimir> 0603 cap kit
2015-09-22T14:16:00 < kakimir> it has psu already and will have 2 external power connectors and some smas wired to outside dor analog inputs
2015-09-22T14:17:01 < kakimir> i try to figure if to use sma for door open switch or not
2015-09-22T14:17:20 < mitrax> cool, and what's the end purpose? don't think i've asked what it will be plugged to
2015-09-22T14:17:36 < kakimir> big ass oven
2015-09-22T14:19:23 < mitrax> oh ok
2015-09-22T14:19:55 < kakimir> ttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKM0o1ZVRqUWdVdG8/view?usp=sharing
2015-09-22T14:20:24 < kakimir> that ruler on floor is 1m
2015-09-22T14:20:32 < dongs> kakimir: did you pay more than $20 for a 0603 cap sample book?
2015-09-22T14:20:44 < mitrax> that's big indeed
2015-09-22T14:20:56 < kakimir> 5eur or so
2015-09-22T14:21:03 < mitrax> kakimar: what's the oven for?
2015-09-22T14:21:07 < Ecco> mitrax: when I try to step into C++ code
2015-09-22T14:21:17 < Ecco> gdb just skips over, just as if I had typed "next"
2015-09-22T14:21:35 < dongs> mitrax: jews
2015-09-22T14:21:44 < karlp> hrm, I wonder if I'm going to need a usb protocol analyser
2015-09-22T14:21:54 < mitrax> dongs: ahahaha
2015-09-22T14:21:57 < dongs> karlp: just use lunix
2015-09-22T14:22:13 < Cyric> guys, i have a question on efficiency of c++
2015-09-22T14:22:28 < karlp> port 3 on the hub works, going to an onboard ft230x, port2 runs across to another riser pcb, then a A socket,
2015-09-22T14:22:44 < mitrax> Ecco: but besides that does everything work properly?
2015-09-22T14:22:48 < karlp> and plugging in one devices just gives "cannot enable port, maybe the cable is bad?" with a usb memory stick,
2015-09-22T14:22:49 < Ecco> mitrax: apparently
2015-09-22T14:22:56 < karlp> and nothign at all with other usb devices I've tired
2015-09-22T14:23:05 < Cyric> is it better to declar a static method inside the class or to have a function in a normal namespace
2015-09-22T14:23:15 < karlp> I wonder if we've got signal integreity problems on getting out to the external connector
2015-09-22T14:23:20 < karlp> that woudl be teh suck.
2015-09-22T14:23:29 < mitrax> Ecco: sounds like something is being optimizated / inlined then, as jpa said, i doubt it has anything to do with some initialization code missing
2015-09-22T14:23:30 < karlp> I didn't think it was _that_ critical.
2015-09-22T14:23:34 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9lgkaNmWp4 mitrax
2015-09-22T14:23:39 < kakimir> ie.
2015-09-22T14:23:42 < kakimir> also wheels
2015-09-22T14:23:43 < Ecco> mitrax: ok
2015-09-22T14:23:47 < kakimir> bicycles
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2015-09-22T14:24:03 < kakimir> and heating stuff to 250C generally
2015-09-22T14:24:44 < mitrax> Ecco: do you compile with -ggdb3 ?
2015-09-22T14:27:00 < jpa-> dongs: yeah, if you bother to find an intrinsic for setting stack pointer then it should be portable to other compilers also
2015-09-22T14:27:17 < jpa-> dongs: or just rely on the stack pointer from vector table
2015-09-22T14:29:07 < dongs> jpa, __SETMSP()?
2015-09-22T14:29:13 < dongs> or something
2015-09-22T14:29:15 < dongs> there's a thing in cmsis.
2015-09-22T14:29:25 < jpa-> yea
2015-09-22T14:29:33 < jpa-> i'm just a gcc faggot so i don't bother
2015-09-22T14:29:44 < dongs> register void *stack_pointer asm("sp"); what the fuck is that even
2015-09-22T14:29:44 < jpa-> when in doubt, type asm()
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2015-09-22T14:41:44 < Laurenceb> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/5/52/Mootlegg20.jpg <- lulz
2015-09-22T14:43:55 < BrainDamage> how long has that shit going on?
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2015-09-22T14:44:05 < Laurenceb> lul
2015-09-22T14:44:06 < karlp> ok, d- is hard low, d+ is hard high. even when it's plugged in.  what's meant to happen? fucking never thought I'd have to look at usb on the scope
2015-09-22T14:44:13 < Laurenceb> 4chan got sold todayz
2015-09-22T14:44:50 < jpa-> karlp: hard, as in driven by someone?
2015-09-22T14:45:12 < jpa-> otherwise sounds like a normal idle state, but should be only through the N kilo-ohm resistors
2015-09-22T14:45:22 < karlp> ah, no, turning up the time base, I do see some traffic when I plug in the device
2015-09-22T14:45:32 < karlp> I think these 67ohm resistors are garbage, going to take them off.
2015-09-22T14:45:36 < karlp> no idea where that figure came from
2015-09-22T14:45:42 < karlp> and the hub says it has series resistors built in
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2015-09-22T14:46:09 < karlp> there's some very attenuated signalling going on just after I plug a device in.
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2015-09-22T15:10:44 < qyx_> jpa-: wait what
2015-09-22T15:11:09 < qyx_> is that LoRA different? there are some LoRa transceivers from HopeRF
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2015-09-22T15:11:31 < qyx_> at least they call it LoRa, idk if they implement this LoRa
2015-09-22T15:11:46 < jpa-> this public network thing is called LoRaWAN i think
2015-09-22T15:12:09 < jpa-> uses the same lower level stuff but more open and i'm not sure if the original had encryption
2015-09-22T15:12:31 < qyx_> uhm
2015-09-22T15:13:55 < Ecco> mitrax: I build using "-g"
2015-09-22T15:13:59 < Ecco> (and with CLang)
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2015-09-22T15:19:18 < mitrax> Ecco: oh ok i thought you were using gcc
2015-09-22T15:19:36 < Ecco> well, I also have GCC
2015-09-22T15:19:41 < Ecco> let me give it a try with GCC
2015-09-22T15:23:04 < Ecco> meh
2015-09-22T15:23:08 < Ecco> exact same result using GCC :(
2015-09-22T15:23:24 < Ecco> so i've this "assert" macro
2015-09-22T15:23:27 < mitrax> with  -ggdb3  ?
2015-09-22T15:23:29 < Ecco> Yes
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2015-09-22T15:24:04 < Ecco> -mthumb -march=armv7e-m -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=cortex-m4 -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16 -Wall -ggdb3 -DDEBUG=1 -O0 -ffreestanding -nostdinc -nostdlib
2015-09-22T15:24:21 < karlp> you don't need -march and -mcpu at the same time
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2015-09-22T15:24:33 < Ecco> ok :)
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2015-09-22T15:25:04 < karlp> pick a line here: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/209775724/readme.txt
2015-09-22T15:25:09 < karlp> don't mix and match from multiple lines
2015-09-22T15:25:28 < Ecco> oh thanks
2015-09-22T15:26:00 < Ecco> why are there multiple lines for the same case
2015-09-22T15:26:16 < Ecco> (in my case, Cortex-M4 hard fp)
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2015-09-22T15:34:49 < karlp> Ecco: just saying they all do the same thing
2015-09-22T15:35:04 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-22T15:35:22 < Ecco> Now back on that GDB thing
2015-09-22T15:35:34 < Ecco> I've an assert() macro, that calls 'abort' on failure
2015-09-22T15:35:34 < dongs> J. R. Goes 30 minutes ago
2015-09-22T15:35:35 < dongs> Where's the ultimate app
2015-09-22T15:35:35 < dongs> Is ridiculous send ZANO with a BETA app
2015-09-22T15:35:46 < Ecco> abort being defined as "while(1) {}"
2015-09-22T15:35:53 < Ecco> I put a breakpoint on abort
2015-09-22T15:35:57 < Ecco> and when GDB goes there
2015-09-22T15:36:03 < Ecco> the backtrace shown by "bt" is emtpy!
2015-09-22T15:37:10 < Ecco> (gdb) bt
2015-09-22T15:37:10 < Ecco> #0  abort ()
2015-09-22T15:37:10 < Ecco> #1  0x080001bc in __assert ()
2015-09-22T15:37:11 < Ecco> (gdb)
2015-09-22T15:37:17 < Ecco> How is that even possible?
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2015-09-22T15:55:53 < karlp> bleh, replace 67ohm terms with 0ohm, same shitty signal on d+: http://imgur.com/a/H19zP
2015-09-22T15:56:24 < karlp> it gets pull up to 3v3 on connection, and goes up and down a bit with that chirping.
2015-09-22T15:56:54 < karlp> a different usb device just pulls high then up and down a lot as I guess the device tries resetting to try and enumerate, but they don't even get as far as logging anything in dmesg
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2015-09-22T15:58:36 < karlp> with the stick, teh hub port status bits are "power connect" but with another device it has "C_CONNECT power connect" so not even getting as far, and I never see the chirpping
2015-09-22T15:58:37 < zyp> remember that HS signalling uses a much lower voltage than FS
2015-09-22T15:58:51 < karlp> hrm, didn't know that.
2015-09-22T15:59:02 < karlp> the stick is HS card reader, so maybe that's correct then?
2015-09-22T15:59:04 < zyp> HS uses some current loop mode
2015-09-22T15:59:25 < karlp> the FS device I've tried is just another ft232 dongle, it just sits there resetting and never being recognised
2015-09-22T15:59:27 < Ecco> I'm still fighting with GDB
2015-09-22T15:59:34 < Ecco> so I stepped instruction by instruction
2015-09-22T15:59:56 < Ecco> and everything becomes garbage after BL 0x8... (<__assert>)
2015-09-22T16:00:08 < Ecco> Before that BL instruction, the backtrace as displayed by GDB is OK
2015-09-22T16:00:16 < zyp> karlp, but anyway, this is the hub being defective on one port?
2015-09-22T16:00:23 < Ecco> and right after that BL, the backtrace is empty and only shows __assert
2015-09-22T16:00:23 < zyp> am I reading that right?
2015-09-22T16:00:44 < karlp> well, hub or our layout, yeah.
2015-09-22T16:00:54 < zyp> oh, a hub you're making
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2015-09-22T16:01:13 < karlp> yeah, I see ~600mV, HS chirp should have been 400mV, but ~ok.?
2015-09-22T16:01:30 < karlp> neither HS nor FS devices are recognised on port 2, which is the only external port we've made,
2015-09-22T16:01:43 < karlp> the ft230x on port 3 is permanently attached, and it works just fine.
2015-09-22T16:01:43 < zyp> but the other ports work?
2015-09-22T16:01:51 < zyp> huh
2015-09-22T16:01:55 < karlp> and port 1 is an embedded card reader, also works just fine
2015-09-22T16:02:09 < karlp> and it doesn't help if I have it plugged in at power on either,
2015-09-22T16:02:56 < zyp> try a keyboard
2015-09-22T16:03:06 < karlp> LS?
2015-09-22T16:03:16 < karlp> hrm, let's go look in the store room, see what I can find...
2015-09-22T16:03:21 < zyp> yeah
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2015-09-22T16:05:44 < karlp> Port 2: 0001.0301 C_CONNECT lowspeed power connect
2015-09-22T16:05:52 < karlp> recognises as low speed, still fails though.
2015-09-22T16:05:53 < dongs> lannex
2015-09-22T16:06:20 < karlp> didn't mess up d+/d- switch then at least.
2015-09-22T16:06:29 < zyp> yeah
2015-09-22T16:06:52 < zyp> if FS is not detected at all, it sounds kinda like bad connection on d+ line
2015-09-22T16:07:38 < karlp> ok, with the FS device, I see D+ high and being pulled low regularly, by device resets I presume.
2015-09-22T16:07:42 < zyp> does this happen on multiple boards, or can it just be a dry solder joint on this one?
2015-09-22T16:07:43 < karlp> for LS device, same behaviour on D- line
2015-09-22T16:07:56 < karlp> well, happened on the only two we've built up.
2015-09-22T16:08:06 < zyp> on both, ok
2015-09-22T16:08:33 < karlp> this third port runs down from a left riser, across the base pcb and up a right hand riser to the extgernal usb port
2015-09-22T16:08:40 < karlp> the working usb devbice is on the base board
2015-09-22T16:09:00 < karlp> but I don't _reallly_ expect the traces are too long or too mismatched or anything.
2015-09-22T16:09:11 < zyp> nah, not for LS/FS
2015-09-22T16:09:17 < zyp> you could run that over coat hangers
2015-09-22T16:09:26 < karlp> that's what I expected.
2015-09-22T16:09:46 < karlp> hmm, D+ is solid low for the LS device resetting
2015-09-22T16:09:51 < zyp> anyway, where are you measuring? close to the hub chip?
2015-09-22T16:10:09 < karlp> closeish to the hub chip.
2015-09-22T16:10:18 < karlp> where the hubchip lines run down onto th ebase board.
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2015-09-22T16:10:54 < karlp> it's a U shaped set of three boards, hub on the left, port2 and port 3 pairs run down to the base board, port 3 goes to the ft230x there, and port 2 continues across and up the other side
2015-09-22T16:11:21 < karlp> but total length from hub down and across and up is ~60-70mm?
2015-09-22T16:12:07 < karlp> yarh, fs is D- solid low, and D+ toggling as it gets pulled low periodically
2015-09-22T16:12:11 < zyp> which hub chip is this?
2015-09-22T16:12:22 < karlp> usb2640, smsc
2015-09-22T16:12:48 < karlp> we'd never gotten to the external port, the onboard ft230x and the card reader interface were both working jsut fine.
2015-09-22T16:13:55 < zyp> oh, built in card reader
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2015-09-22T16:16:30 < zyp> what are you doing with the PRTCTL signals?
2015-09-22T16:16:32 < karlp> yeah ok, there's 100nf on each line. let's toss them too.
2015-09-22T16:16:40 < karlp> left them off, we don't need no stinking port control
2015-09-22T16:16:50 < zyp> wat, 100n?
2015-09-22T16:17:14 < karlp> yeah, no fucking clue why they're there
2015-09-22T16:17:20 < karlp> the fucking example schematic has none,
2015-09-22T16:17:25 < karlp> and the ft230x has 33pf
2015-09-22T16:17:35 < karlp> there's ogddamn 100nf on this extension board.
2015-09-22T16:17:35 < zyp> 100n will seriously fuck up signals
2015-09-22T16:17:45 < karlp> this is what happens when people do boards while I'm on holidays
2015-09-22T16:17:50 < zyp> haha
2015-09-22T16:17:51 < karlp> fucking hell.
2015-09-22T16:18:10 < karlp> I wonder where on earth he got this idea?!
2015-09-22T16:18:13 < zyp> were the guy designing that drunk? 100n is fucking power decoupling, not signal conditioning
2015-09-22T16:18:25 < mtbg> 100n on usb data lines?
2015-09-22T16:19:25 < karlp> managed to get a polyfuse, usb specific tvs and a choke on, but put these monster truck caps down too.
2015-09-22T16:21:38 < karlp> yup, sexy. LS, FS; HS all work now.
2015-09-22T16:21:46 < zyp> neat, the chip supports swapping D+/D-
2015-09-22T16:21:46 < karlp> thanks for the the help, much appreciated.
2015-09-22T16:21:55 < zyp> in case you fuck up that
2015-09-22T16:21:55 < karlp> yeah, but you need to drop an eeprom down for that.
2015-09-22T16:22:01 < zyp> (or just don't want to route around)
2015-09-22T16:22:05 < zyp> true
2015-09-22T16:22:24 < karlp> it claims you can program the eeprom from the hub, but I can't find any docs on it
2015-09-22T16:23:13 < karlp> and we had an eeprom on a beta board, but though they claim to release the i2c lines if you hold the hub in reset, it kept holding one of the lines, so I couldn't program the eeprom insitu anyway.
2015-09-22T16:24:04 < karlp> there's some windows software for "configuring" the hub, but I don't have it laid out anywhere for eval with the upstream port on a plug, it's permanently on this board, so can't play with any of those features much.
2015-09-22T16:24:35 < karlp> you can run your own entire firmware there too, and have gpios and shit as well as the hub, but even less support for that in the docs, other than, "rom goes here"
2015-09-22T16:25:12 < zyp> you probably don't want to dick around with 8051 anyway
2015-09-22T16:25:35 < karlp> no fucking way
2015-09-22T16:25:47 < karlp> I bought a hub with a sd card reader, not a usb capable 8051 :)
2015-09-22T16:25:54 < zyp> haha
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2015-09-22T17:12:08 < dongs> http://account.flyzano.com/firmware/
2015-09-22T17:12:10 < dongs> some new filez
2015-09-22T17:12:13 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/Y8UiAtu.jpg
2015-09-22T17:14:52 < dongs> https://youtu.be/BryKjjNT7EQ zano teardown
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2015-09-22T17:16:48 < GargantuaSauce> loving the pin headers as a structural element
2015-09-22T17:16:49 < GargantuaSauce> robust.
2015-09-22T17:17:34 < dongs> lol thermal imaging camera
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2015-09-22T17:20:48 < dongs> theres so much extra dumb weight on that thing
2015-09-22T17:21:51 < GargantuaSauce> the best part is definitely the led array or whatever the fuck that is
2015-09-22T17:21:56 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-22T17:22:07 < dongs> its some single chip 8x8 rgb matrix d river
2015-09-22T17:22:09 < dongs> i wonder wat it is
2015-09-22T17:22:25 < dongs> its SPI, he said that much
2015-09-22T17:22:30 < dongs> but has no hardware pwm
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2015-09-22T17:23:16 < GargantuaSauce> so just a constant current shift register?
2015-09-22T17:23:30 < dongs> oh right, and its /8
2015-09-22T17:23:38 < dongs> but from that  video it just looks like one chip
2015-09-22T17:23:44 < dongs> i didnt see a 3:8 decoder or other junk
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2015-09-22T17:24:37 < dongs> i see 8 fets
2015-09-22T17:24:38 < dongs> oh
2015-09-22T17:24:47 < dongs> maybe he did same shit I did for my troll7seg
2015-09-22T17:25:03 < dongs> 32ch shift register and top 8 bits are pfets
2015-09-22T17:25:56 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/mV-h1guJsJg?t=96
2015-09-22T17:25:57 < ReadError> lol
2015-09-22T17:26:16 < dongs> yes
2015-09-22T17:26:20 < dongs> thats zano footage
2015-09-22T17:27:28 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/LT3746EUHH%23PBF/LT3746EUHH%23PBF-ND/2621411 ???
2015-09-22T17:27:37 < dongs> er no
2015-09-22T17:27:51 < GargantuaSauce> only needs 16 channels
2015-09-22T17:27:54 < dongs> why?
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2015-09-22T17:28:05 < dongs> its 8x8 RGB
2015-09-22T17:28:08 < dongs> with /8 duty
2015-09-22T17:28:09 < GargantuaSauce> oh rgb
2015-09-22T17:28:11 < dongs> yes
2015-09-22T17:28:58 < dongs> hmmm
2015-09-22T17:29:01 < dongs> on digikey thats the only thing
2015-09-22T17:29:23 < dongs> ah tehy coulda gone overboard
2015-09-22T17:29:31 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/sbvs241/sbvs241.pdf
2015-09-22T17:29:32 < dongs> thgats the guy
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2015-09-22T17:30:07 < qyx_> uhm
2015-09-22T17:30:10 < qyx_> 320x240 is that?
2015-09-22T17:30:23 < dongs> qyx where
2015-09-22T17:30:37 < qyx_> zano footage
2015-09-22T17:30:48 < dongs> or somethin
2015-09-22T17:31:00 < dongs> This was taken at 480p and 13fps.
2015-09-22T17:31:04 < dongs> so 640x480
2015-09-22T17:31:13 < qyx_> two trnasducer ultrasonic range finder
2015-09-22T17:31:14 < dongs> more like awful x awful
2015-09-22T17:31:31 < qyx_> they could have used one
2015-09-22T17:31:55 < zyp> ordered some shit from china on sunday, even paid for fucking expensive fedex shipping because I want it this week
2015-09-22T17:32:12 < zyp> order status is still stuck at «testing», like wtf do they need to test, this is off the shelf shit
2015-09-22T17:32:21 < zyp> not custom made
2015-09-22T17:32:26 < emeryth> testing your patience
2015-09-22T17:32:40 < zyp> haha, true
2015-09-22T17:33:29 < dongs> hmm
2015-09-22T17:33:44 < dongs> o well
2015-09-22T17:33:46 < dongs> 48ch it is
2015-09-22T17:33:58 < dongs> that chip is fuckin spendy
2015-09-22T17:34:04 < dongs> oh, only $2.3 if you buy 10k
2015-09-22T17:34:09 < dongs> and zanoturds probly bought 20
2015-09-22T17:36:40 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/sbvs241/sbvs241.pdf lol @ Figure 41 layout example.
2015-09-22T17:36:47 < dongs> what hte fuck good that does???
2015-09-22T17:36:53 < dongs> leds around the perimeter wat
2015-09-22T17:37:43 < upgrdman> dongs, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/22/for_just_400_you_can_have_this_raspberry_pi_and_mine_bitcoin/
2015-09-22T17:37:47 < dongs> old
2015-09-22T17:37:51 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-22T17:37:53 < dongs> saw this like 2 hours ago while fapping
2015-09-22T17:38:18 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-22T17:39:30 < englishman> zano drama: commencing
2015-09-22T17:39:47 < dongs> indeed
2015-09-22T17:39:53 < dongs> already a refund request on dickstarter
2015-09-22T17:40:28 < dongs> ishman> zano drama: commencing
2015-09-22T17:40:30 < dongs> err
2015-09-22T17:40:37 < dongs> if you getting boring again, you can make a foto with the best quality and share this with us? Filming is for me not interesting, and so it is no problem if the Zano shake a little. But I hope the foto-qualitiy is good.
2015-09-22T17:40:54 < dongs> does this guy not realize in zano photo = video
2015-09-22T17:42:39 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/tlc5958 wow
2015-09-22T17:45:11 < gxti> much led very pwm
2015-09-22T17:45:21 < dongs> Send request via email for Application Note: Build High Density, High Refresh Rate, Multiplexing LED Panel with TLC5958.
2015-09-22T17:45:28 < dongs> feifei-shen@ti.com
2015-09-22T17:45:29 < dongs> haha
2015-09-22T17:45:30 < dongs> chinq
2015-09-22T17:45:34 < gxti> feifei
2015-09-22T17:46:05 < dongs> so /32 multiiplexing and 48channel
2015-09-22T17:46:14 < gxti> what the hell is a pre-charge FET
2015-09-22T17:46:15 < dongs> 16x32 display?
2015-09-22T17:47:08 < dongs> huh wat
2015-09-22T17:47:19 < dongs> it doesnt have support for selecting /32 duty stuff
2015-09-22T17:47:21 < dongs> thats still external
2015-09-22T17:47:26 < gxti> The internal pre-charge FET can prevent ghosting of multiplexed LED modules. One cause of this phenomenon is the charging current for parasitic capacitance of the OUTXn through the LED when the supply voltage switches from one common line to the next common line.
2015-09-22T17:47:30 < gxti> waow~~
2015-09-22T17:48:51 < gxti> but without a sample schematic to cut-and-paste how am i supposed to use this
2015-09-22T17:49:17 < dongs> hm 48kbit ram for 32-multiplexing' what hte fuck is that supposed to mean
2015-09-22T17:49:28 < dongs> the schematic in datasheet shows extenral multiplexing.
2015-09-22T17:49:50 < gxti> oh there is a schematic
2015-09-22T17:50:31 < jpa-> hmm, time to learn AVR assembler
2015-09-22T17:50:42 < dongs> why do i need to email to get appnote
2015-09-22T17:50:45 < dongs> is it top secret
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2015-09-22T17:51:38 < Laurenceb> lulwut http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=723_1375920657
2015-09-22T17:51:54 < Laurenceb> footage by dongs
2015-09-22T17:53:04 < dongs> anyway
2015-09-22T17:53:13 < dongs> checking zano crap then sleeping
2015-09-22T17:53:19 < gxti> looks like the idea is you have a counter or shitty mcu somewhere driving the row mux, but because of the ram you can do it faster than you can load actual data in
2015-09-22T17:53:31 < dongs> gxti, right
2015-09-22T17:53:33 < gxti> still don't know what the hell the precharge shit is
2015-09-22T17:53:45 < dongs> you load all rows, then shift out /32 thing
2015-09-22T17:54:11 < dongs> it cant be shitty mcu doing it tho
2015-09-22T17:54:14 < gxti> two banks so you can probably also load stuff in in parallel
2015-09-22T17:54:15 < dongs> you'd need to send it at ~max of 25mhz
2015-09-22T17:54:50 < gxti> anyway it's not like i'm going to use this shit. just curious.
2015-09-22T18:03:10 < dongs> Sorry to do a reality check but The zano can never. NEVER achieve stable footage without a built in gimble. Prove me wrong otherwise. It's a hardware limitation and people should not expect it to work like how the marketing video has lead you to believe. It is constantly fighting against the wind and many other environmental variables.The hpc or whatsoever software stabilisation programs can only do so much. If you watch previous videos of the Zano going through the 
2015-09-22T18:03:57 < dongs> Kind of confusing on the explanation there, but nevertheless, unless there is video evidence of the Zano working as per the marketed video. So far all that is showing are crappy videos that I could get from a Chinese drone right now in the market for $100 tbh. Even Chinese drones now has 1080p as basic!!! So what difference is the zano to current drones? An extra LED panel?
2015-09-22T18:04:02 < dongs> haha
2015-09-22T18:04:18 < Sync> I mean if they had a 4k imager and output 1080p I could imagine *some* stabilization out of the hpc
2015-09-22T18:05:15 < dongs> yeah sure
2015-09-22T18:06:56 < Sync> but they don't
2015-09-22T18:06:57 < Sync> :D
2015-09-22T18:07:06 < dongs> they have 5mp connected to pic32
2015-09-22T18:07:09 < dongs> tehy're fucked either way
2015-09-22T18:07:48 < Sync> ye
2015-09-22T18:08:26 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G46XEHDQLjw
2015-09-22T18:08:29 < dongs> zano is so fucked
2015-09-22T18:08:45 < Sync> ye
2015-09-22T18:08:54 < Sync> I wonder why they did not buy some OEM chinadrone
2015-09-22T18:08:55 < dongs> $28 0.3MP camera
2015-09-22T18:08:59 < Sync> and made MOAR moni
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2015-09-22T18:10:29 < englishman> thats what smart kickstarters do
2015-09-22T18:10:39 < englishman> find some new china shit, sell for 10x price on dickstarter
2015-09-22T18:11:58 < dongs> gonna link that cheerson vid to ask ivan thread
2015-09-22T18:12:59 < Sync> kec
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2015-09-22T18:29:59 < dongs> https://youtu.be/hgkbhjXTbOE?t=160 lol
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2015-09-22T18:35:54 < Laurenceb> so fake
2015-09-22T18:37:39 < Tectu> hi laurenceb
2015-09-22T18:42:00 < jon1012> I don't understand the purpose of the led panel
2015-09-22T18:42:07 < jon1012> on that crappy drone
2015-09-22T18:42:14 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-09-22T18:42:16 < dongs> jon, watch the video i linked
2015-09-22T18:42:17 < Laurenceb> nobody does
2015-09-22T18:42:19 < dongs> it counts down
2015-09-22T18:42:24 < dongs> before taking selife
2015-09-22T18:42:36 < jon1012> yeah... but why a led panel ? that uses a lot of power on a small battery like this !
2015-09-22T18:42:51 < dongs> jon1012: its /8 multiplexed
2015-09-22T18:42:55 < dongs> its not too awful actually
2015-09-22T18:43:12 < dongs> https://youtu.be/hgkbhjXTbOE?t=41
2015-09-22T18:43:14 < dongs> see>
2015-09-22T18:43:18 < jon1012> to get something bright enough on daylight, that must be quite powerful
2015-09-22T18:43:29 < jon1012> yeah
2015-09-22T18:43:30 < dongs> ther was a post on teh forum somewehre
2015-09-22T18:43:42 < dongs> how much current it draws.
2015-09-22T18:43:47 < dongs> it was double digits mA
2015-09-22T18:43:54 < jon1012> ok
2015-09-22T18:44:22 < dongs> i wonder who they paid to make that (c)rap song
2015-09-22T18:44:25 < dongs> or is that an actual song
2015-09-22T18:47:46 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0sKTsD04TM
2015-09-22T18:47:48 < dongs> its this
2015-09-22T18:47:51 < Laurenceb> actual mouthfart
2015-09-22T18:47:55 < kakimir> sup homos
2015-09-22T18:48:01 < Laurenceb> no homo
2015-09-22T18:49:54 < Steffann> Haaaay, kakimir.
2015-09-22T18:50:13 < jon1012> (speaking of that, I backed https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/elf-the-hd-video-streaming-nano-drone/x/5395717#/story some months ago)
2015-09-22T18:50:18 < dongs> No results found for Scott & Brendo +zano.
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2015-09-22T18:50:21 < jon1012> (49 USD for something similar)
2015-09-22T18:50:38 < jon1012> (now they raised the amount to 99$)
2015-09-22T18:50:43 < dongs> lol,
2015-09-22T18:50:48 < dongs> thats just chinashit resell
2015-09-22T18:51:07 < jon1012> dongs, not really... they are making updates showing the process
2015-09-22T18:52:14 < dongs> haha i wonder why they bought mpu6000
2015-09-22T18:52:23 < dongs> probly cuz i bought all of 6050 :D
2015-09-22T18:52:32 < Steffann> You wish.
2015-09-22T18:52:41 < Sync> ALL of them
2015-09-22T18:52:49 < Steffann> I still have 3 of em
2015-09-22T18:53:12 < dongs> https://res.cloudinary.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1435664374/ik1ozohkqno87fuqmmkh.jpg
2015-09-22T18:53:15 < dongs> err
2015-09-22T18:53:17 < dongs> why is there a stm32f103 on there
2015-09-22T18:53:42 < dongs> their front page says it was tarduino
2015-09-22T18:53:55 < dongs> The most significant refinement is we updated the MCU, from the previous 8-bit, 16 MHz AVR microcontroller to 32-bit 72 MHz STM32F105RCT6.
2015-09-22T18:54:52 < dongs> well
2015-09-22T18:54:55 < dongs> at least they're doing something
2015-09-22T18:54:58 < dongs> that isnt 100% retarded
2015-09-22T18:55:04 < dongs> and they have a camera/h264 codec chip
2015-09-22T18:55:06 < dongs> not a fucking PIC32
2015-09-22T18:55:08 < jon1012> yeah
2015-09-22T18:55:18 < dongs> and had enough sense to dump failmegea for something less stupid.
2015-09-22T18:55:26 < dongs> but meh, still too much for $99
2015-09-22T18:55:32 < dongs> cheerson cx-30w does all this shit already
2015-09-22T18:55:34 < mtbg> btw
2015-09-22T18:55:36 < dongs> for $69 shipped WITH a remote.
2015-09-22T18:55:37 < mtbg> http://hackaday.com/2015/07/13/new-part-day-the-esp8266-killer/
2015-09-22T18:55:55 < mtbg> I wonder if they put that r8189 as the wifi chipset
2015-09-22T18:56:09 < dongs> er isnt that like 4 months old
2015-09-22T18:56:32 < jon1012> dongs, yeah but this one has a dual camera and live video cast
2015-09-22T18:56:44 < dongs> jon1012: 'dual'?
2015-09-22T18:57:00 < jon1012> mmh let me check I thought it has
2015-09-22T18:57:33 < dongs> Helen Hyatt
2015-09-22T18:57:33 < dongs> 10 days ago
2015-09-22T18:57:34 < dongs> I dont care how you build it, whether it is printed or injection mold, that does not matter to me. So long as I get the completed item that is good by me. Thank you for the update.
2015-09-22T18:57:37 < dongs> haha
2015-09-22T18:57:44 < dongs> no, you definitely do NOT want anything quadcopter related 3d printed.
2015-09-22T18:57:53 < dongs> hexfailbot did that and it was the dumbest shit ever.
2015-09-22T18:58:30 < jon1012> mmh, maybe not dual camera in fact
2015-09-22T18:59:46 < jon1012> (the cardboard stuff made me think that)
2015-09-22T19:00:11 < dongs> you got trolled
2015-09-22T19:00:15 < dongs> the end ;d
2015-09-22T19:00:23 < jon1012> haha
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2015-09-22T19:07:33 < Getty> Uuuuuuhhhhh the yakuza war will get technical interesting... gang wars with ... "drones to drop bombs into offices" and "3d printed guns that kill, melt it after" :D
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2015-09-22T19:08:02 < dongs> japan is more worried about stopping 3d printed vaginas
2015-09-22T19:08:04 < dongs> than guns
2015-09-22T19:08:17 < dongs> we got nothing to worry about
2015-09-22T19:08:22 < Getty> well right now not, cause the yakuza has splitted up ;)
2015-09-22T19:08:36 < Getty> and they are scared
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2015-09-22T19:14:40 < jon1012> (haha, chrome shit :) https://github.com/szhu/3030/tree/master )
2015-09-22T19:14:48 < jon1012> (or http://linkofdeath.com/ )
2015-09-22T19:16:36 < karlp> hehe, crashed my tab :)
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2015-09-22T21:50:10 < FAalbers> Hello
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2015-09-22T21:50:25 < FAalbers> I have a UART question ...
2015-09-22T21:52:06 < FAalbers> I created a simple program that sets up USART6 on the STMF401RE Nucleo dev board and I just want to send out a serial bid stream of the charachter 'a' just to test it out
2015-09-22T21:53:02 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-22T21:53:11 < Ecco> So QFN with hot air gun = not even funny
2015-09-22T21:53:11 < FAalbers> It lights up a LED through GPIO , then transmits the character through USART , and then turns off the LED to make sure it got through the transmission command
2015-09-22T21:53:25 < FAalbers> Here is a link to the simple code
2015-09-22T21:53:29 < Ecco> I don't remember who advised I get a 858D
2015-09-22T21:53:32 < Ecco> but thanks a lot!
2015-09-22T21:53:39 < FAalbers>  https://github.com/faalbers/STM32_f401re_eclipse_UART/blob/master/src/main.c
2015-09-22T21:53:54 < Ecco> it looks *so much* nicer than when I did it with the iron
2015-09-22T21:54:07 < Ecco> Actually the "magic" part is that the chip can auto-align itself with the pads
2015-09-22T21:54:08 < ReadError> Ecco me ;)
2015-09-22T21:54:12 < ReadError> ya
2015-09-22T21:54:18 < ReadError> surface tension
2015-09-22T21:54:20 < Ecco> indeed
2015-09-22T21:54:21 < ReadError> floats er in to place
2015-09-22T21:54:23 < FAalbers> It turns on the LED, but the transmission command gets stuck. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong ?
2015-09-22T21:54:33 < Ecco> which was the biggest source of "uglyness" with the iron
2015-09-22T21:54:43 < ReadError> FAalbers ya you are using that horrible timecube code
2015-09-22T21:54:57 < Ecco> I followed that tutorial : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Qt5CtUlqY
2015-09-22T21:54:58 < FAalbers> ReadError, Heeey ! You here to
2015-09-22T21:55:17 < FAalbers> ReadError, Wel, that's supposed to be the one to be used no ?
2015-09-22T21:56:22 < Ecco> FAalbers: I don't know how much time you want to put into this
2015-09-22T21:56:40 < Ecco> but you really should consider reading the whole datasheet of your chip
2015-09-22T21:56:41 < FAalbers> Ecco, Enough to get it to work I guess
2015-09-22T21:56:43 < Ecco> yes, it's a long read
2015-09-22T21:57:01 < ReadError> or use chibios and do it in a few lines ;)
2015-09-22T21:57:04 < Ecco> but it's worth every minute
2015-09-22T21:57:10 < Ecco> ReadError: You recommend chibios?
2015-09-22T21:57:45 < FAalbers> Ecco , I did read the datasheet and checked what to turn on and set , but somehow I guess I'm missing something
2015-09-22T21:58:53 < FAalbers> Ecco, I was just hoping USART was common enough for someone to go find the problem right away in my code :)
2015-09-22T21:59:57 < FAalbers> Will have another readup through the HAL Drivers documentation and Datasheet
2015-09-22T22:00:21 < ReadError> Ecco, ya i like chibios
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2015-09-22T22:07:45 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-22T22:30:06 < Ecco> Question: is there a way to detect when there's a stack overflow?
2015-09-22T22:32:14 < Tectu> it crashes :)
2015-09-22T22:32:34 < Tectu> make the stacks too big to develop, when it comes to production decrease the size until it crashes. then add a bit of margin
2015-09-22T22:32:45 < Ecco> hmm
2015-09-22T22:32:49 < Ecco> ok, that's one way to do it
2015-09-22T22:33:04 < Tectu> Ecco, ChibiOS/RT also allows you to initialize the stack with a known patter (afaik 0xAA or 0x55). Then there is a scrip that reads out the memory via GDB and tells you how much stack you are using
2015-09-22T22:33:19 < Tectu> Ecco, because obviously the used area will not be continious 0x55/0xAA where the unused area will be
2015-09-22T22:33:27 < Ecco> thing is, the stack grows down, depending on my memory layout it may first overwrite some heap
2015-09-22T22:33:33 < Tectu> Ecco, afaik ChibiOS/RT has an official guide on that
2015-09-22T22:33:37 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-22T22:33:41 < Ecco> I'm not using ChibiOS btw
2015-09-22T22:33:47 < Tectu> ah, sorry.
2015-09-22T22:33:54 < Ecco> interesting read nontheless
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2015-09-22T22:38:58 < qyx_> Ecco: there is a gcc warning option -Wstack-usage=n which generates a warning if your function computed stack usage is higher than n bytes
2015-09-22T22:39:13 < qyx_> also as Tectu says, your rtos may support stack watermarking
2015-09-22T22:39:18 < qyx_> freertos does that too
2015-09-22T22:39:47 < qyx_> you can even enable runtime checking and theres also API which enables you to retrieve current thread stack usage
2015-09-22T22:40:15 < Ecco> I'm not using any RTOS
2015-09-22T22:40:24 < Ecco> but I'm curious about how it could be done
2015-09-22T22:40:29 < Ecco> at runtime, especially
2015-09-22T22:40:52 < Ecco> also, what happens if I try to access a "reserved" memory area?
2015-09-22T22:41:10 < qyx_> nothing if it is valid
2015-09-22T22:41:12 < Ecco> Because since the SRAM is surrounded by such areas, I could stick the stack on one end
2015-09-22T22:41:15 < Ecco> crap
2015-09-22T22:41:27 < Tectu> you kind of use a linkerscript for that
2015-09-22T22:41:32 < Tectu> to define where your memory starts and where it ends
2015-09-22T22:41:40 < Ecco> Yes I know. This I have written :)
2015-09-22T22:42:05 < Ecco> but I thought some kind of exception would happen if I tried to access a "reserved" memory area
2015-09-22T22:42:07 < qyx_> you could catch bus errors and handle them
2015-09-22T22:42:32 < Ecco> or just crash
2015-09-22T22:42:36 < qyx_> *hard faults
2015-09-22T22:42:43 < Ecco> which would already be better than overwriting memory and crashing later
2015-09-22T22:42:51 < Ecco> but I thought you said nothing would happen, qyx_
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2015-09-22T22:43:22 < qyx_> nothing if that accessed memory area is valid
2015-09-22T22:43:37 < Ecco> what do you mean by valid then?
2015-09-22T22:43:43 < Ecco> I mean, given this mapping :
2015-09-22T22:44:05 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/rIgOtfS.png
2015-09-22T22:44:23 < qyx_> you can get stack overflow without triggering any exception
2015-09-22T22:44:24 < Ecco> what if I access 0x1FFF CFFF
2015-09-22T22:44:30 < qyx_> and overwrite other parts of your sram
2015-09-22T22:44:35 < qyx_> (outside of your stack)
2015-09-22T22:44:44 < Ecco> yes, of course, if the stack is positionned "in the middle" of SRAM
2015-09-22T22:44:56 < Ecco> but what if I carefully put it right by a "reserved" area?
2015-09-22T22:45:23 < Ecco> (also, this seems like a very simple idea : if it works, why isn't everyone doing this?
2015-09-22T22:45:57 < qyx_> you can overflow your stack in a variety of ways and in bith directions
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2015-09-22T22:46:11 < Ecco> in both directions?
2015-09-22T22:47:13 < qyx_> the other direction is not actually a stack overflow
2015-09-22T22:47:40 < qyx_> so i am telling a half bullshit now
2015-09-22T22:48:00 < qyx_> *saying
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2015-09-22T22:55:16 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-22T22:55:33 < Ecco> so how comes this technique isn't more widely applied?
2015-09-22T22:55:44 < Ecco> (glueing the stack to a "reserved" region)
2015-09-22T22:58:02 < qyx_> it is, you can use MPU for that
2015-09-22T22:58:03 < Sync> goddamn japanese companies
2015-09-22T22:58:18 < Ecco> Oh indeed
2015-09-22T22:58:30 < Ecco> I completely forgot about the MPU
2015-09-22T22:58:31 < Ecco> Thanks!
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2015-09-22T23:04:48 < Roklobsta> dongs: another Aussie selfie drone to rage at.  http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/business-it/internet-of-things-seeks-asx-listing-20150922-gjsbay.html
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2015-09-22T23:08:51 < Ecco> Meh I see no mention of the MPU in my datasheet
2015-09-22T23:09:12 < Ecco> Is it present in the whole F4 range or only select components?
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2015-09-22T23:13:29 < mtbg> core features are in separate document
2015-09-22T23:13:32 < Ecco> oh ok
2015-09-22T23:13:38 < Ecco> I thought it was STM-specific
2015-09-22T23:13:45 < Ecco> it's actually a cortex-m thing, ok :)
2015-09-22T23:14:03 < mtbg> but it still wont give you full protection
2015-09-22T23:14:15 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-22T23:14:17 < Ecco> I guess
2015-09-22T23:15:17 < mtbg> defining variables on stack can shift sp without trying to write to that locations (i.e. you can skip your canary)
2015-09-22T23:15:34 < Ecco> indeed
2015-09-22T23:16:01 < Ecco> by canary you mean the area that is "reserved" and which I would make trigger an exception?
2015-09-22T23:16:10 < Ecco> (thanks to the MPU)
2015-09-22T23:16:33 < mtbg> yep
2015-09-22T23:16:36 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-22T23:16:41 < Ecco> but if I make it large enough
2015-09-22T23:16:46 < Ecco> Then the risk should be small
2015-09-22T23:17:00 < Ecco> Note that this whole thing doesn't make bad code run
2015-09-22T23:17:01 < mtbg> then probably you are wasting your memory
2015-09-22T23:17:13 < Ecco> My aim here is to catch error when they happen
2015-09-22T23:17:34 < Ecco> Why would I waste memory
2015-09-22T23:17:39 < Ecco> for example, on STM32F401
2015-09-22T23:17:45 < Ecco> SRAM starts at 0x2000000
2015-09-22T23:17:49 < Ecco> Since stack grows down
2015-09-22T23:17:56 < Ecco> I could reserve the first 4KB to stack
2015-09-22T23:18:05 < Ecco> and mark everything below 0x200000 to trigger an exception
2015-09-22T23:18:21 < mtbg> ok
2015-09-22T23:18:23 < Ecco> below that, there is a "reserved" area, then "option bytes" which I don't need just yet
2015-09-22T23:18:29 < Ecco> then again reserved
2015-09-22T23:18:34 < Ecco> and eventually system memory
2015-09-22T23:18:43 < Ecco> (I'm not sure I'm even accessing it at all
2015-09-22T23:18:45 < mtbg> you can do that
2015-09-22T23:18:53 < Ecco> so that would be quite a large area actually
2015-09-22T23:19:01 < Ecco> and I don't see where I "waste" anything
2015-09-22T23:19:04 < Ecco> ok, excellent
2015-09-22T23:19:06 < Ecco> thanks mtbg :)
2015-09-22T23:19:07 < mtbg> then you have fixed maximum stack depth, not sharing the space with heap
2015-09-22T23:19:24 < Ecco> oh I see
2015-09-22T23:19:27 < Ecco> but then
2015-09-22T23:19:34 < Ecco> do people really share memory between stack and heap?
2015-09-22T23:19:41 < Ecco> That would seem awfully complicated
2015-09-22T23:20:11 < Ecco> I see how it could work, but that would require incredible complex engineering
2015-09-22T23:20:19 < Ecco> and would be very hard to maintain
2015-09-22T23:21:42 < mtbg> yep, if you have a way to fail gracefully when you run out of stack or heap, then your solution can make use of it
2015-09-22T23:22:01 < Ecco> Currently, I don't
2015-09-22T23:22:16 < Ecco> but I would much, much prefer a crash
2015-09-22T23:22:22 < Ecco> than stack overwriting heap w/o me knowing
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2015-09-22T23:53:30 < Laurenceb__> lol http://i.imgur.com/l35eOVB.jpg
2015-09-22T23:54:22 < Roklobsta> latest i heard is he put a clock guts in a different box and didn't make anything.
2015-09-22T23:54:44 < Roklobsta> reflecting on my own misdirected youth he did it to get a rise out of someone at school and it paid off.
2015-09-22T23:54:58 < Laurenceb__> yeah but microshaft shifted their first unit of stock in years
2015-09-22T23:55:50 < Roklobsta> wait 4 years and hear how he failed 1st semester at caltech or wherever.
2015-09-22T23:56:01 < Roklobsta> because all he can do is swap clock guts.
2015-09-22T23:56:44 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-09-22T23:57:11 < BrainDamage> he should do sociology / marketing / letters instead
2015-09-22T23:57:20 < BrainDamage> great pr stunt
2015-09-22T23:58:47 < BrainDamage> oh and since it's troll time: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3lw2g6/imgur_is_being_used_to_create_a_botnet_and_ddos/ https://8ch.net/b/res/4249909.html https://8ch.net/pol/res/3383746.html
2015-09-22T23:58:56 < Laurenceb__> I'm sure microshaft will give him a job
2015-09-22T23:59:11 < Laurenceb__> holy troll linkfest batman
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2015-09-22T23:59:36 < Laurenceb__> wut https://8ch.net/pol/thumb/1442880840795.jpg
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2015-09-23T00:06:55 < Laurenceb__> typical 8ch poster https://8ch.net/pol/src/1442892368681.jpg
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2015-09-23T00:22:21 < FAalbers> Anyone UART savy on STM32 using HAL ?
2015-09-23T00:32:54 < Roklobotomy> I'm sorry Dave, I cannot do that.
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2015-09-23T00:37:37 < chris_99> haha
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2015-09-23T00:51:19 < Laurenceb__> shit how did i miss this
2015-09-23T00:51:21 < Laurenceb__> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3242550/Cameron-pig-bemused-look-face-future-PM-took-outrageous-initiation-ceremony-joining-Oxford-dining-society.html
2015-09-23T00:53:38 < Laurenceb__> lol  http://i0.wp.com/fusiondotnet.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/pig-black-mirror.jpg?resize=1600%2C900&quality=80&strip=all
2015-09-23T00:58:55 < zyp> miss what? didn't you post about it the other day=
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2015-09-23T01:03:26 < Laurenceb__> nope
2015-09-23T01:03:36 < Laurenceb__> delivery a lulz that passed me by
2015-09-23T01:03:39 < Laurenceb__> *of
2015-09-23T01:04:59 < zyp> hmm, wtf, I read about that before, and I seem to recall you linked to it
2015-09-23T01:08:06 < zyp> oh, no, it was actually a guy in a norwegian channel who linked it on monday
2015-09-23T01:08:57 < zyp> it's just that the guy also said something to the effect of «I've missed this» that gave me sort of a deja vu now
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2015-09-23T01:13:48 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/7Ldn6gD.jpg  stereotypes...
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2015-09-23T01:30:09 < FAalbers> Anyone UART savy on STM32 using HAL ?
2015-09-23T01:32:10 < karlp> keep asking, I'm sure you'll get new answers :)
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2015-09-23T01:36:40 < zyp> haha
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2015-09-23T02:15:07 < FAalbers> karlp, Problem is , I never got an answer. Just RTFM. Which I did ... so I was trying again if someone else connected.
2015-09-23T02:15:47 < FAalbers> If not too bad, I tried
2015-09-23T02:18:24 < karlp> well, the problem with repeating what you're repeating is that anyone new who might help doesn't have any context, they're just seeing a shitty "who knows x" query
2015-09-23T02:18:29 < karlp> which tends to go badly.
2015-09-23T02:18:57 < karlp> you kinda dumped some code and said, "it' don't work" I didn't see any further explanation of what you'd tried further at all
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2015-09-23T02:40:51 < FAalbers> karlp, Not true ... This is what I posted
2015-09-23T02:41:12 < FAalbers> I have a UART question ...
2015-09-23T02:41:21 < FAalbers> I created a simple program that sets up USART6 on the STMF401RE Nucleo dev board and I just want to send out a serial bid stream of the charachter 'a' just to test it out
2015-09-23T02:41:31 < FAalbers> It lights up a LED through GPIO , then transmits the character through USART , and then turns off the LED to make sure it got through the transmission command
2015-09-23T02:41:56 < FAalbers> Here is a link to the simple code
2015-09-23T02:42:05 < FAalbers>  https://github.com/faalbers/STM32_f401re_eclipse_UART/blob/master/src/main.c
2015-09-23T02:42:18 < FAalbers> It turns on the LED, but the transmission command gets stuck. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong ?
2015-09-23T02:42:29 < FAalbers> Is that not enough context ?
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2015-09-23T02:43:46 < karlp> so...
2015-09-23T02:43:47 < FAalbers> I don't know what else I need to ask to make my problem clear
2015-09-23T02:43:51 < karlp> does it send, and then get stuck?
2015-09-23T02:43:55 < karlp> or does it not get sent at all?
2015-09-23T02:44:11 < karlp> you need to keep digging, looking for edges you can cut off
2015-09-23T02:44:15 < FAalbers> karlp, It gets stuck on that command and it does not send anything
2015-09-23T02:44:54 < karlp> dumping entire programs is normally tedious for other people
2015-09-23T02:45:03 < karlp> first off. check whether you've reallly enabled the clocks you think you have.
2015-09-23T02:45:13 < FAalbers> karlp, Was just hoping someone would see the obvious I'm doing wrong in that small code fragment.
2015-09-23T02:45:14 < karlp> if peripherals don't work, it's always first check
2015-09-23T02:45:25 < karlp> I want you to see it :)
2015-09-23T02:45:42 < FAalbers> It's a very small fragment in main() ... made it as simple as possible
2015-09-23T02:45:59 < karlp> good, nice and small, so look at it closely, and check whether you're enabled the clocks you need.
2015-09-23T02:47:00 < FAalbers> karlp, I use RCC->AHB2ENR |= RCC_APB2ENR_USART6EN;
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2015-09-23T02:47:23 < FAalbers> It works with the GPIO clock for the LED
2015-09-23T02:47:45 < karlp> but it doesn't work for the usart maybe?
2015-09-23T02:47:51 < karlp> look closer...
2015-09-23T02:48:25 < FAalbers> karlp, In the datasheet USART6 is under AHB2
2015-09-23T02:48:43 < karlp> are you _sure_ ?
2015-09-23T02:48:48 < karlp> look at that line more closely....
2015-09-23T02:48:59 < FAalbers> karlp, And RCC_APB2ENR_USART6EN exists
2015-09-23T02:49:11 < karlp> and where are you writing that bit numbnuts? how long are you going to take?
2015-09-23T02:49:38 < FAalbers> karlp, to RCC->AHB2ENR
2015-09-23T02:49:46 < karlp> and do you think that's correct?
2015-09-23T02:50:28 < FAalbers> karlp, Wel, that's how it's done for GPIO pin 5
2015-09-23T02:50:41 < FAalbers> RCC->AHB1ENR |= RCC_AHB1ENR_GPIOAEN
2015-09-23T02:50:42 < zyp> spoiler: AHB2 != APB2
2015-09-23T02:50:43 < karlp> you need to _actually_ look at what you're doing.
2015-09-23T02:50:45 < FAalbers> And that works
2015-09-23T02:50:54 < karlp> aw zyp, you're no fun
2015-09-23T02:51:03 < karlp> he had the line and everything, he would have gotten there eventually.
2015-09-23T02:51:12 < karlp> (hopefully)
2015-09-23T02:51:14 < FAalbers> Oh fuck :)
2015-09-23T02:51:22 < zyp> I though you've made him waste enough time already
2015-09-23T02:51:23 < karlp> always check the clocks :)
2015-09-23T02:51:27 < karlp> yeah, I guess.
2015-09-23T02:51:38 < karlp> I didn't actually look at it earlier today, it was stdperiph shitz
2015-09-23T02:51:44 < FAalbers> See it karlp :)
2015-09-23T03:02:39 < FAalbers> karlp, Thanks a bunch ! :) Doesn't get stuck anymore :) Logic Analyzer doesn't detect stream though . Will check first why that is
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2015-09-23T06:00:42 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-23T06:01:52 < upgrdman> hi
2015-09-23T06:05:35 < upgrdman> been busy with real work
2015-09-23T06:06:08 < upgrdman> i might etch a PCB to get things nice and close together, but im not sure if i care enough to go through that trouble
2015-09-23T06:07:16 < upgrdman> also, still thinking of how i want to properly drive the high side FET, since i would need to monitor the voltage between source and drain to model a diode
2015-09-23T06:07:51 < upgrdman> no
2015-09-23T06:07:55 < upgrdman> but i'll pass
2015-09-23T06:08:38 < upgrdman> etching at homo is coming to an end for me. i will keep doing little breakouts, but i now have plenty of shit to keep me occupied, so i might as well have china fab me some boards for less than it would cost me to make them
2015-09-23T06:09:02 < upgrdman> and im not poor anymore, so 4L all-the-things
2015-09-23T06:10:10 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://imgur.com/wrIuDoz
2015-09-23T06:10:56 < upgrdman> serious question: when might you want to go to 6L/8L/+ ? like if you dont have enough room on two signal layers? or for more power planes?
2015-09-23T06:11:44 < upgrdman> and connect all grounds via thin-ish traces?
2015-09-23T06:12:34 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-23T06:14:06 < upgrdman> lol  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=802_1442332694
2015-09-23T06:17:52 < FAalbers>  karlp , Got it working now. Looks good on Logic Analyzer. Appreciate your help ;) ... https://github.com/faalbers/STM32_f401re_eclipse_UART/blob/master/src/main.c
2015-09-23T06:19:21 < upgrdman> tempted to buy that 9DOF sensor from invensis and make another robot of some sort
2015-09-23T06:19:42 < upgrdman> maybe a motorcycle that self balances with reaction wheels on control-moment-gyro
2015-09-23T06:19:47 < upgrdman> s/on/or
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2015-09-23T06:20:46 < upgrdman> yes. or i can be lazy.
2015-09-23T06:21:05 < upgrdman> my segway was 9DOF, althrough i never used the 3axis magnetometer
2015-09-23T06:21:41 < upgrdman> i wrote it
2015-09-23T06:21:47 < upgrdman> and it sucked
2015-09-23T06:21:52 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-23T06:22:07 < upgrdman> i gave up when i got to kalman filters
2015-09-23T06:22:24 < upgrdman> but i have since learned a bit of linear algebra so i want to revisit it
2015-09-23T06:22:56 < upgrdman> because at the time it was way over my head, and its a hobby so i do NOT want to just copy someones code to get things working. i want to FULLY understand what im doing.
2015-09-23T06:23:42 < upgrdman> so i just used a crappy PID loop, but i think i made D zero due to noise.
2015-09-23T06:24:18 < upgrdman> and i use my super shit wheel encoders to help when not driving on perfectly level surfaces
2015-09-23T06:24:42 < upgrdman> R2COM, noise from gyro/accel readings. stm shit sensors... not some $$$ chip from anal devices
2015-09-23T06:25:09 < upgrdman> i dont recall.
2015-09-23T06:25:26 < upgrdman> this was >1yr ago
2015-09-23T06:25:37 < upgrdman> it's been collecting dust
2015-09-23T06:28:01 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-23T06:28:08 < upgrdman> yaw
2015-09-23T06:28:23 < upgrdman> well, in the 80's people flew without any gyro... but it sucked ass compared to today
2015-09-23T06:29:22 < upgrdman> rudder
2015-09-23T06:29:26 < upgrdman> (tail rotor)
2015-09-23T06:29:46 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-23T06:30:02 < upgrdman> and they still need a gyro if you want to fly
2015-09-23T06:30:19 < upgrdman> mostly because most coax helis use two motors
2015-09-23T06:30:37 < upgrdman> so each rotor has slightly different torque, etc.
2015-09-23T06:30:50 < upgrdman> yes they can
2015-09-23T06:30:57 < upgrdman> if they are flying level
2015-09-23T06:31:20 < upgrdman> coax heli dont have that characteristic tilt of normal heli
2015-09-23T06:33:07 < upgrdman> ahahah  http://imgur.com/gallery/qIG7K9X
2015-09-23T06:37:49 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-23T06:37:53 < upgrdman> nice
2015-09-23T06:38:05 < upgrdman> most rc coax helis are fixed pitch toys.
2015-09-23T06:38:24 < upgrdman> collective pitch ones should be able to do anything the real coax ones can, and more
2015-09-23T06:39:35 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX39GZPCxgo
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2015-09-23T06:41:18 < upgrdman> dunno
2015-09-23T06:41:24 < upgrdman> poke through here  https://www.google.com/search?q=rc%20helicopter%20coaxial%20collective
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2015-09-23T06:47:59 < GargantuaSauce> if it runs off a 1-cell lipo the answer is almost certainly no
2015-09-23T06:48:09 < GargantuaSauce> they only get fancier at bigger scales
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2015-09-23T07:06:46 < upgrdman> R2COM, that hk one is fixed pitch
2015-09-23T07:07:04 < upgrdman> guessing collective ptich coax is uncommon due to price
2015-09-23T07:07:14 < upgrdman> prolly much more expensive to crash
2015-09-23T07:09:35 < upgrdman> dongs, what macro lense did you get for your flir e4 again?
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2015-09-23T07:34:13 < jpa-> PaulFertser: could you please make openocd print "NO STLINK FOUND LOL" if it doesn't find an usb device with the given id.. now it just prints "open failed"
2015-09-23T07:34:43 < emeb_mac> heh
2015-09-23T07:34:53 < emeb_mac> +1 for the LOL
2015-09-23T07:37:10 < PaulFertser> jpa-: this patch might be related: http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/2343/
2015-09-23T07:37:51 < ds2> speaking of openocd, how generic is the CMSIS-DAP support?
2015-09-23T07:38:07 < PaulFertser> ds2: what exactly do you mean?
2015-09-23T07:38:08 < jpa-> PaulFertser: nah.. seems to be something else.. it is a nucleo board and shows up as different usb id
2015-09-23T07:38:47 < ds2> PaulFertiser: is that driver generic enough to say, work on an Atmel XplainPro board, LPCXpresso or does one need specific drivers for each variant?
2015-09-23T07:39:10 < PaulFertser> jpa-: it touches error reporting though. I can create an SF ticket later but I'm unlikely do fix it myself, I rarely use stlink.
2015-09-23T07:39:33 < PaulFertser> ds2: generic but only SWD is supported for now.
2015-09-23T07:39:43 < PaulFertser> And no vendor extensions.
2015-09-23T07:39:57 < ds2> PaulFertser: so that means I can flash all those chips?
2015-09-23T07:40:23 < ds2> <--- at the end of the rope with dealing with #@$#!@$!@@!$#!@$# programmers/utilities to flash a damn .hex file
2015-09-23T07:41:08 < PaulFertser> ds2: if the flash in that chip is supported, yes.
2015-09-23T07:41:17 < ds2> oh like that
2015-09-23T07:41:23 < ds2> sigh
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2015-09-23T07:45:04 < emeb_mac> ds2: what's the problem? oocd doesn't have a flashing stub for the machine you're targeting?
2015-09-23T07:48:10 < ds2> emeb_mac: I deal with an ever changing array of arm chips and I am getting tired of blowing 2-3 hours to find a tool to flash an image
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2015-09-23T07:48:47 < ds2> just had to do that yesterday cuz the only flasher choices was to appease Keil or install another tool
2015-09-23T07:49:06 < jpa-> openocd has a pretty wide support of chips, though
2015-09-23T07:49:25 < jpa-> it supports stm32.. and nxp.. and well that's all that i've ever used anyway!
2015-09-23T07:54:49 < dongs> upgrdman: dig that eevbeg thread, its mentioned there
2015-09-23T07:54:50 < dongs> i got that one
2015-09-23T07:54:53 < dongs> ZnSe something thing
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2015-09-23T08:09:03 < ds2> upgrdman: the laser cutter ZnSe lens work as a macro lens on the e4
2015-09-23T08:09:11 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-23T08:09:47 < ds2> the more interesting question is what sort of mount
2015-09-23T08:10:08 < upgrdman> mike shows a few ways
2015-09-23T08:10:30 < upgrdman> i might use his "disk with a hole" style diy mount
2015-09-23T08:10:41 < ds2> there is about 3 3D printed designs
2015-09-23T08:11:02 < upgrdman> ya well i already gave back the 3d printer i was lent
2015-09-23T08:11:14 < ds2> shapeways!
2015-09-23T08:11:19 < upgrdman> fuck that
2015-09-23T08:11:44 < upgrdman> i'd rather buy a laser cutter and make proper shit than pay for some 3d dicked thing
2015-09-23T08:12:02 < ds2> I see
2015-09-23T08:12:22 < ds2> shapeways does an okay job... but then my experience is with metal stuff from them
2015-09-23T08:12:30 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-23T08:13:54 < jpa-> and for laser cutting ponoko works fine
2015-09-23T08:14:15 < jpa-> but yeah, shapeways is pretty nice - especially their silver prints, not bad in price either
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2015-09-23T08:26:29 < upgrdman> anyone know if UML diagrams are useful for C code (no classes) ?
2015-09-23T08:26:47 < upgrdman> like to visualize a state machine, or general control flow
2015-09-23T08:27:34 < jpa-> well, state machines sure, and data structures also
2015-09-23T08:28:43 < jpa-> control flow maybe, though very rarely is an algorithm such that the flow is 1) not apparent from the code and 2) still simple enough to be represented in a graph of reasonable size
2015-09-23T08:31:22 < upgrdman> well for example, firmware. typical scenario is main() configures all of the peripherals, then enters an infinite loop to do some tasks. behind the scenes, ISRs and DMA get stuff done too. would it not be helpful to make a "big picture" type of diagram for this, so someone new to a codebase can more quickly get a feel for things?
2015-09-23T08:32:38 < jpa-> possibly - though i have never seen an useful figure that does that on the control flow level
2015-09-23T08:32:52 < jpa-> more like block diagram level "these are the big modules and they talk with each other"
2015-09-23T08:32:52 < upgrdman> k
2015-09-23T08:33:02 < upgrdman> ya that makes sense
2015-09-23T08:44:05 < jubatus> isn't the point of UML that it is a tool for systems analysis and design
2015-09-23T08:45:05 < jubatus> (therefore it should certainly be useful for high level design before you start bashing out C code)
2015-09-23T08:45:14 < ReadError> i took an entire class on UML
2015-09-23T08:45:25 < jpa-> jubatus: yeah, rarely seen it usefully used
2015-09-23T08:45:26 < ReadError> what a miserable class
2015-09-23T08:45:42 < jpa-> jubatus: it does work fine for documentation after-the-fact, though
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2015-09-23T11:25:27 < dongs> wtf
2015-09-23T11:27:36 < dongs> getting a hardfault and cant figure out why
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2015-09-23T11:37:14 < dongs> k found it
2015-09-23T11:37:17 < Ecco> what was it?
2015-09-23T11:37:18 < dongs> running an index way out of bounds
2015-09-23T11:37:21 < dongs> and killing stack
2015-09-23T11:37:23 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-23T11:37:24 < dongs> but now i gott afigure out why
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2015-09-23T11:46:21 < jpa-> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1977846026/meater-the-first-truly-wireless-smart-meat-thermom?ref=hero_thanks   heh, now someone has kickstartered it
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2015-09-23T11:49:54 < jpa-> (did something similar back in 2013  http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/p1000530.jpg )
2015-09-23T11:50:39 < emeryth> jpa-: but did you make an ios app for that?
2015-09-23T11:50:56 < jpa-> no, and i didn't dickstart it either
2015-09-23T11:50:59 < jpa-> so 100% lame
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2015-09-23T11:54:49 < jpa-> dongs: ^^ meater dickstart, win/fail?
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2015-09-23T12:00:31 < Sync> jpa-: strage texture on the probe
2015-09-23T12:00:37 < Sync> I doubt it would pass FDA
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2015-09-23T12:03:40 < jpa-> in this photo?   https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/404/026/b4d4455a5624e8eadf45c3347b7fcb4c_original.jpg?v=1440888241&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=1c8acf38b0cd086785e035358962a6be
2015-09-23T12:03:53 < jpa-> yeah, they say it is stainless but really looks more like aluminum proto to me
2015-09-23T12:04:32 < jpa-> if this is anything like a typical kickstarter, that stick in the photo does not yet have any electronics inside it
2015-09-23T12:05:48 < PeterM> is it high temp resistant? IE, can you stick it in the roast and stick it in the oven?
2015-09-23T12:06:38 < emeryth> design comes first
2015-09-23T12:06:40 < jpa-> PeterM: yeah, both mine and that dickstarter use the same principle, electronics goes inside the meat so only up to about 80 celcius
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2015-09-23T12:08:00 < Roklobsta> industrial designers don't know that.
2015-09-23T12:08:05 < Roklobsta> but look how shiny it is!
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2015-09-23T12:08:51 < Roklobsta> i did an industrial design class at uni as one of my electives.  90 design students and they all looked at me funny when i said I was an engineering student.
2015-09-23T12:10:15 < PeterM> ="fuck it, i may aswell take the class, i gotta make your batshit dumbass designed"
2015-09-23T12:10:23 < Roklobsta> that said, the class was something engineering students should do.
2015-09-23T12:10:29 < PeterM> s/designed/designs
2015-09-23T12:10:51 < Roklobsta> actually it was more about anthropometrics.  very interesting.
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2015-09-23T12:11:27 < Roklobsta> coz we all know how well engineers fuck up when their brilliant design leaves the lab and goes to the real world.
2015-09-23T12:12:14 < Roklobsta> and maims people
2015-09-23T12:12:33 < PeterM> i see no issues with that?
2015-09-23T12:12:39 < emeryth> they were holding it wrong
2015-09-23T12:12:49 < Roklobsta> yeah is that you steve jobs?
2015-09-23T12:13:22 < Roklobsta> what kind of a fuckwit puts an antenna where someone can short it out with their hand?
2015-09-23T12:13:24 < jpa-> nah, emeryth makes chain saws
2015-09-23T12:14:16 < jpa-> what kind of idiot puts a blade where you can grab it
2015-09-23T12:15:26 < PeterM> chainsaws are great
2015-09-23T12:17:01 < PeterM> whats with humans - theres this funny thing they do when they're around dangerous stuff/activities
2015-09-23T12:18:18 < PeterM> it's like sometimes you're driving your car and you're like "i wonder what it would be like to slam this into the guard rail" or you're near the edge of a platform at great height and you're like "i wonder what it would be like to fall off this thing" or you've got a gun and you're like " i wonder what it would be like to shoot myself"
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2015-09-23T12:23:06 < Roklobsta> i forgot about my electric fence the other day.  both hands on it to lean on the fence.
2015-09-23T12:23:35 < Roklobsta> it's like grabbing a chainsaw i guess
2015-09-23T12:24:12 < PeterM> "huh... its not on..." *moment later* "fuck fuck jesus fuck shit fuck cunt fuck"
2015-09-23T12:24:57 < Roklobsta> something like that.  the spasm that went across my hands, arms and chest were something.
2015-09-23T12:25:18 < PeterM> i know electric fences well
2015-09-23T12:25:29 < Roklobsta> earlier this year i had bare feet and touched it by mistake.  that was worse.
2015-09-23T12:25:52 < Roklobsta> even gumboots don't save you
2015-09-23T12:25:59 < emeryth> Roklobsta: why do you have it in the first place?
2015-09-23T12:26:46 < Roklobsta> i have an acre and 3 goats mow 1/3 of it for me. but an electric fence is needed.  goats are purely driven by eating.
2015-09-23T12:27:08 < PeterM> goats have only little respect for normal fences
2015-09-23T12:27:45 < Roklobsta> damned things can stand on 2 feet for many minutes if they can get at an overhanging branch.  the buggers even eat gum tree bark
2015-09-23T12:27:46 < PeterM> they are quite...ninja like? animals, surprisngly
2015-09-23T12:28:34 < emeryth> Internet of Goats, that's a kickstarter idea
2015-09-23T12:28:45 < emeryth> check up on your goats anytime anywhere
2015-09-23T12:29:00 < Roklobsta> don't laugh
2015-09-23T12:29:03 < Roklobsta> i thought of it
2015-09-23T12:29:20 < Sync> teletact and geofencing?
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2015-09-23T12:29:49 < Roklobsta> i need to google the former.  CSIRO have mucked with the latter, shocking cows if they stray.
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2015-09-23T12:34:15 < Roklobsta> Sync: ok teletact AND geofencing.
2015-09-23T12:36:12 < Sync> although that has the problem of them leaving the area and not getting back
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2015-09-23T12:37:58 < Roklobsta> keep shocking until they meander back to the zone
2015-09-23T12:38:11 < artag> emeryth: http://www.departmentofbrilliant.com/portfolio/internet-of-tings-version-0-8
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2015-09-23T12:45:05 < Roklobsta> It must be Oirish.
2015-09-23T12:45:22 < Roklobsta> Dat dere ting.
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2015-09-23T12:54:09 < Laurenceb__> ogrish?
2015-09-23T12:54:19 < Roklobotomy> if only
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2015-09-23T13:01:20 < Sync> yeah but if they run in the wrong direction, GG Roklobotomy
2015-09-23T13:02:03 < Roklobotomy> eh a random walk will get there in the end
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2015-09-23T13:02:24 < emeryth> can't you control them by shocking from the left or right?
2015-09-23T13:02:37 < emeryth> like with those remote control cockroaches
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2015-09-23T13:04:41 < Roklobotomy> good idea
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2015-09-23T13:06:40 < emeryth> you just gotta find ther right places for the brain probes
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2015-09-23T13:19:31 < artag> or put them on a trolley
2015-09-23T13:20:58 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSHJXdVZ5OEFzSlk/view?usp=docslist_api connectivity
2015-09-23T13:22:07 < kakimir> see how another board is flipped
2015-09-23T13:23:19 < kakimir> guys
2015-09-23T13:24:26 < kakimir> need help. what is mp in circle https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUHRzZ04wdTBXQlE/view?usp=docslist_api
2015-09-23T13:25:36 < jpa-> do you even have the permit to make three-phase mains installations?
2015-09-23T13:25:54 < jpa-> if you are seeking assistance in burning down the building, there are easier ways
2015-09-23T13:26:44 < jpa-> but mp is probably "motor protector"
2015-09-23T13:26:57 < jpa-> i.e. a fancy kind of fuse
2015-09-23T13:27:16 < artag> i thouhgt that, but don't they usually span all 3 phases ?
2015-09-23T13:27:55 < jpa-> seems that it is present only on the single phase charts
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2015-09-23T13:29:00 < artag> i think it's a centrifugal switch for the start capacitor
2015-09-23T13:30:22 < artag> or maybe in the weird world of electricals where contacts are drawn as capacitors, its actually the capacitor and the object near Z1/U2 is the switch
2015-09-23T13:30:30 < jpa-> hm yeah, or could be a combination device.. does that try to say it is internal to the motor, because seems input is on the bottom
2015-09-23T13:31:04 < artag> maybe it's even a PTC, guess that could be used as a start/run switch
2015-09-23T13:31:49 < jpa-> hm, not being in series with the L, i guess a switch for the starter cap makes more sense
2015-09-23T13:32:37 < jpa-> unless the "L" marked there is just a screw terminal and actual motor is on U2
2015-09-23T13:33:16 < artag> motor diagrams tend not to show windings, they're just from the point of view of conneting things to the terminals
2015-09-23T13:34:00 < jpa-> yeah
2015-09-23T13:34:10 < jpa-> i just wonder what the U1 and U2 actually are
2015-09-23T13:34:28 < jpa-> because three-phase case doe not have a terminal called "L" at all
2015-09-23T13:35:17 < artag> 3-phase has L1 L2 L3 and no neutral
2015-09-23T13:35:21 < artag> delta connection
2015-09-23T13:35:49 < jpa-> i guess the layout of the 6 terminals stays the same.. so it is called "U1" in three-phase diagrams
2015-09-23T13:36:00 < artag> U V W are usually the markings for the winding terminals
2015-09-23T13:36:25 < artag> usually/often
2015-09-23T13:36:49 < karlp> U1 U2 for voltages?
2015-09-23T13:37:16 < jpa-> and Z1 and Z2 for extra fun
2015-09-23T13:37:35 < jpa-> "i have voltages on U1 and U2 and some impedances on Z1 and Z2"
2015-09-23T13:37:38 < artag> wire it up and tune for minimum smoke ?
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2015-09-23T14:26:18 < PeterM> what is the maximum current total from all I/O on an F0? is it 25ma like the others?
2015-09-23T14:26:48 < kakimir> fancy kind of fuse?
2015-09-23T14:27:36 < jpa-> PeterM: is it in the datasheet like on other families?
2015-09-23T14:28:23 < kakimir> fuk this I connect cap old fashioned way to triangle configuration
2015-09-23T14:28:40 < PeterM> jpa- probably but then i wouldn't get that feeling of being loved when i hear a snarky response?
2015-09-23T14:29:55 < jpa-> PeterM: yeah, that sucks
2015-09-23T14:30:06 < jpa-> PeterM: but we can always bitch at you for other reasons
2015-09-23T14:30:46 < kakimir> I dont undersrand why my friend wont just use 3phasein his utility trailer
2015-09-23T14:30:59 < kakimir> his generator even has 3phase
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2015-09-23T14:31:18 < jpa-> perhaps because you need a permit for 3-phase installations?
2015-09-23T14:31:26 < jpa-> unless he doesn't mind losing insurance coverage
2015-09-23T14:32:28 < kakimir> he can set his trailrr on fire and get new one
2015-09-23T14:36:46 < kakimir> besides it's going to be single phase as seen externally
2015-09-23T14:38:18 < kakimir> I will call this job "installing plug to electric aparatus" so I falls under permit free category
2015-09-23T14:38:27 < kakimir> it
2015-09-23T14:39:12 < jpa-> yeah, that's a nice loophole
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2015-09-23T14:39:37 < jpa-> though one is pretty free to do many things on single-phase stuff, as long as it connects with a plug
2015-09-23T14:43:07 < kakimir> I wonder if my oven turns from totally illegal to totally legal if friend with permit looks under the hood for 5min
2015-09-23T14:43:51 < kakimir> maybe signs ir with his name
2015-09-23T14:45:13 < kakimir> or even better.. nobody knows its orgin
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2015-09-23T14:58:50 < jpa-> i think current laws require a signed record of electrical installations
2015-09-23T14:59:01 < jpa-> but yeah, "dunno, it was here when i came here" usually works
2015-09-23T14:59:28 < PeterM> jpa- total current depends on the rev i get :(
2015-09-23T15:01:46 < jpa-> PeterM: typical ST; did you check if there is errata that "GPIO does not work on revision A of the chip"?
2015-09-23T15:02:03 < emeryth> xD
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2015-09-23T15:04:44 < PeterM> errata seems fine for my usage
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2015-09-23T15:10:49 < karlp> speaking of smoking things, managed to spil an entire cup of coffee on my desk today.
2015-09-23T15:10:53 < karlp> no smoke then,
2015-09-23T15:11:15 < karlp> but smoked a board later after I'd cleaned it all up, thought I'd dried up enough
2015-09-23T15:11:34 < artag> where are you located ? There are mostly less strict laws in the UK on 3-phase because industrial places usually have proper staff and the laws are to protect domestic users from cowboy fitters
2015-09-23T15:11:34 < karlp> but no.....
2015-09-23T15:13:20 < karlp> artag: they're both suomi perkele people
2015-09-23T15:13:21 < Tectu> karlp, what did you burn? Some expensive FPGA dev board or just tarduino $3 board?
2015-09-23T15:13:28 < karlp> in between :)
2015-09-23T15:14:18 < karlp> second cup I've split in ~4 years or so, guess that's ok maybe? last time didn't smoke anything, but at lot more test stuff on today
2015-09-23T15:15:10 < Tectu> I usually don´t have anythign beside keyboard, mouse and what I am actually using on my desk so spillage wouldn´t have a huge impact
2015-09-23T15:15:47 < artag> my worst was spilling a bottle of solvent on a calculator I was fixing :(
2015-09-23T15:15:56 < artag> wasn't any good washing that off !
2015-09-23T15:18:12 < zyp> 13:31:18 < jpa-> perhaps because you need a permit for 3-phase installations?
2015-09-23T15:18:15 < zyp> uh, what?
2015-09-23T15:18:51 < zyp> how is there a difference on what you need a permit for between single phase and 3-phase?
2015-09-23T15:20:51 < Tectu> zyp, same/similar thing in .ch
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2015-09-23T15:41:37 < jpa-> zyp: in .fi it's so
2015-09-23T15:42:12 < jpa-> zyp: basically, single-phase you can do for yourself anything that connects with a plug; for 3-phase you cannot do anything at all
2015-09-23T15:42:15 < zyp> in what sense? people can't do work on 3-phase equipment themselves even if it plugs in?
2015-09-23T15:42:20 < zyp> hmm
2015-09-23T15:42:36 < jpa-> i guess the idea is that for 3-phase the fuses are usually larger
2015-09-23T15:42:44 < zyp> might be the case in norway as well, I've never considered that there might be separate rules here
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2015-09-23T15:43:10 < zyp> idk about the fuse argument
2015-09-23T15:43:20 < zyp> considering how the fuses are smaller for a given power :p
2015-09-23T15:43:50 < jpa-> i don't think there are single-phase plugs for more than 16A here
2015-09-23T15:44:19 < jpa-> while most three-phase installations here are 32A
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2015-09-23T15:44:53 < kakimir> and main voltages are quite fatal
2015-09-23T15:46:06 < kakimir> besides with 3phase one needs to jog brain meat little bit more
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2015-09-23T15:46:38 < jpa-> well fatalities should be pretty much the same for single vs. three phase
2015-09-23T15:46:58 < kakimir> some barely manage with one phase so maybe it's for better this way
2015-09-23T15:49:09 < dongs> Ivan, did you already measured how many gramms a ZANO can transport?
2015-09-23T15:49:10 < dongs> Idea is to double flight time by transporting a second battery.
2015-09-23T15:49:10 < dongs> To switch if first gets empty to second via electrical circuit is not such a big challenge.
2015-09-23T15:49:12 < dongs> Does it make sense?
2015-09-23T15:49:15 < dongs> lol
2015-09-23T15:49:26 < zyp> jpa-, consider electric car chargers
2015-09-23T15:49:38 < zyp> I think tesla does either 32A single phase or 16A 3-phase
2015-09-23T15:50:09 < jpa-> well, both of those would be permit-requiring installations here
2015-09-23T15:50:35 < zyp> I think there are single phase 32A CEE connectors
2015-09-23T15:51:13 < karlp> our single phase measurement devices go to 32amp, but customers want them to go to higher, we have a newer one to 63A now.
2015-09-23T15:51:44 < jpa-> zyp: hmm, maybe, but that still isn't the one your are allowed to tinker with :P
2015-09-23T15:51:47 < zyp> oh, and electric stoves are also single phase >16A
2015-09-23T15:52:07 < zyp> idk, I've worked as an electrician, I tinker with anything :p
2015-09-23T15:52:18 < jpa-> yeah, and electric stoves are one of the most common thing that diyers here install without permit even though it is illegal :P
2015-09-23T15:52:20 < Sync> electric stoves are 3ph 16A here
2015-09-23T15:52:35 < Sync> my hot water device is 25A 3ph
2015-09-23T15:52:39 < zyp> usually single phase 25A here
2015-09-23T15:52:57 < zyp> some requires 32A
2015-09-23T15:53:29 < jpa-> mine is 3x16, but 1x25 is pretty common also
2015-09-23T15:53:52 < Sync> single phase 25A is pretty weaksauce 0o
2015-09-23T15:54:19 < zyp> then again, norway is weird that most of the country is IT rather than TN
2015-09-23T15:54:26 < zyp> i.e. delta vs wye
2015-09-23T15:54:42 < zyp> so three-phase TN gear doesn't work
2015-09-23T15:54:50 < Sync> ... yeah
2015-09-23T15:54:51 < Sync> the fuck
2015-09-23T15:54:54 < jpa-> strange
2015-09-23T15:55:27 < zyp> this means electric cars can't charge from a 3-phase IT outlet, because they are all wired for wye
2015-09-23T15:56:45 < zyp> apparently it's a big problem for renault zoe, because it can't even charge from a single phase IT outlet, because it's firmware refuses to charge if there's a significan difference between N and PE
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2015-09-23T15:57:17 < zyp> and IT has nominally 135V between each pole and PE
2015-09-23T15:57:20 < karlp> "wat, things aren't the same as in our engineers labs?!"
2015-09-23T15:57:44 < zyp> delta means there's no N
2015-09-23T15:57:58 < zyp> you get 230V pole-pole instead
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2015-09-23T15:58:51 < Sync> why don't they just wire in 3phase and connect it L1-L2?
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2015-09-23T16:03:07 < Laurenceb> lulwut  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx3aGhBEIM0
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2015-09-23T16:13:00 < jpa-> Laurenceb: meanwhile in finland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spznoAzyWk0
2015-09-23T16:13:24 < Laurenceb> crazy language
2015-09-23T16:15:37 < zyp> Sync, hmm?
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2015-09-23T16:17:29 < Tectu> jpa-, is it always that windy up there?
2015-09-23T16:18:20 < jpa-> of course
2015-09-23T16:18:26 < jpa-> weather around here is constant
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2015-09-23T16:35:01 < dongs> heh USPS global express guaranteed is actually fedex.
2015-09-23T16:35:06 < dongs> but you drop it of at post office.
2015-09-23T16:43:04 < dongs> As for the video quality mentioned above: we haven't even seen video quality from the SDcard yet. That part was not even part of the original campaign. The idea of the original campaign was to stream the video in full quality to the phone with no storage on Zano and that's that. When the idea of the onboard storage got implemented and other additions like swarming came onboard, CPU time was conserved in not streaming at full FPS, but store the video in full frame rat
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2015-09-23T16:43:11 < dongs> haha
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2015-09-23T16:46:04 < Sync> lies
2015-09-23T16:48:42 < dongs> if the idea of original was streaming, then they already failed??????????
2015-09-23T16:48:48 < dongs> what hte fuck makes him think SD will be any better
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2015-09-23T16:56:59 < emeryth> cuz wireless transmisson decreases quality, duuuh
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2015-09-23T17:14:01 < dongs> oh okaaay
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2015-09-23T17:35:59 < dongs> mousertroll is out for delivery
2015-09-23T17:46:22 < englishman> In JP?
2015-09-23T17:46:39 < englishman> Did you get to use pp?
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2015-09-23T18:17:18 < FAalbers> Mornin
2015-09-23T18:20:31 < Tectu> hi
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2015-09-23T22:36:38 < FAalbers> I heard the word 'dongs' a lot ... what or who does it refer to ? Can't be dicks . :)
2015-09-23T22:39:50 < Sync> it does
2015-09-23T22:39:55 < emeryth> he's the CEO of Dong Energy
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2015-09-23T23:35:19 < Laurenceb__> dongs is a dick
2015-09-23T23:35:27 < Laurenceb__> but at least hes not a pussy
2015-09-23T23:35:35 < Laurenceb__> or an asshole
2015-09-23T23:47:11 < Steffanx> you are.
2015-09-23T23:48:49 < FAalbers> Dong Energy , that's in Denmark
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2015-09-24T01:16:01 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-r5aLe19dQ
2015-09-24T01:16:09 < Laurenceb__> lol hillbillies in space
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2015-09-24T02:45:58 < GargantuaSauce> was looking through google-indexed gerblook boards
2015-09-24T02:46:14 < GargantuaSauce> man a lot of people make pcbs that could be done in 15 minutes on perfboard
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2015-09-24T02:46:40 < GargantuaSauce> but on the other hand http://gerblook.org/pcb/JTtikCWit4ezouDz9p37Fn
2015-09-24T02:49:11 < icee> perfboard is evil
2015-09-24T02:50:39 < GargantuaSauce> no u
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2015-09-24T03:09:53 < ds2> dead bug!
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2015-09-24T03:46:22 < dongs> sup zano supporters
2015-09-24T03:50:09 < dongs> ZANO is the world.s most sophisticated nano drone experience. The ultimate smart device accessory, ZANO is your own personal flying robot that can avoid obstacles, fly autonomously and follow you! All whilst capturing 5 megapixel HD videos and photos!
2015-09-24T03:50:23 < dongs> is 640x480 = 5MP???
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2015-09-24T03:50:34 < dongs> i forget.
2015-09-24T03:51:51 < dongs> ZANO is equipped with a plethora of sensors to allow for the world's most intuitive nano drone flying experience. Absolutely no flight training is required to operate ZANO!
2015-09-24T03:51:55 < dongs> All you need is your smart device, ZANO will do the rest. GPS, Sonar, infrareds, gyroscopes, accelerometers and barometric air pressure sensors all combine to give ZANO unparalleled flying intelligence. Giving you the freedom to capture fantastic aerial photos and videos without any flight training at all.
2015-09-24T03:53:46 < talsit> got your yet?
2015-09-24T03:54:02 < dongs> my CX-10C shipped
2015-09-24T03:54:09 < dongs> by freeairmale so probly a week or two
2015-09-24T04:03:18 < dongs> Are you going to wait for them to tell you that the features are complete before you deem that they've not delivered features that were promised? Until such time that they tell you they have stopped development of, or do not plan to add specific features then they have not failed to deliver promised features... they are just still under development.
2015-09-24T04:03:23 < dongs> haha
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2015-09-24T04:11:27 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1283573988/skreens-lets-every-device-stream-at-once-with-no-l haha shit alert
2015-09-24T04:12:24 < upgrdman> got some new pomona probes for my DMM. the pogo-pin style. such impressive.
2015-09-24T04:12:36 < talsit> upgrdman: ooo... which are they?
2015-09-24T04:12:45 < talsit> i've been looking for something like that
2015-09-24T04:13:27 < upgrdman> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/6342/501-1457-ND/737669
2015-09-24T04:13:41 < dongs> er
2015-09-24T04:13:53 < talsit> cool
2015-09-24T04:13:54 < dongs> which part is the pogo pin
2015-09-24T04:13:59 < dongs> you mean the tip presses in?
2015-09-24T04:14:01 < upgrdman> dongs, the tips
2015-09-24T04:14:02 < upgrdman> yes
2015-09-24T04:14:07 < dongs> mkay
2015-09-24T04:14:11 < dongs> im ok wiht the stuff i got recently
2015-09-24T04:14:12 < upgrdman> see photo on dickykey
2015-09-24T04:14:12 < dongs> its almost as thin
2015-09-24T04:14:21 < dongs> from tectus recommendation
2015-09-24T04:14:23 < talsit> i'm looking for modular system - just the probe tip
2015-09-24T04:14:24 < upgrdman> pic or link?
2015-09-24T04:14:43 < dongs> http://www.probemaster.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_12&products_id=198
2015-09-24T04:14:45 < dongs> err
2015-09-24T04:14:46 < dongs> wat 404'd
2015-09-24T04:14:47 < dongs> sec
2015-09-24T04:15:00 < dongs> http://probemaster.com/8000-series-standard/
2015-09-24T04:15:12 < dongs> http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-9x7452d/products/170/images/354/8017S_Leads__15927.1433772408.1280.1280.jpg?c=2
2015-09-24T04:15:27 < talsit> this: http://muellerelectric.com/wp-content/uploads/BU-26101-01.jpg
2015-09-24T04:16:51 < upgrdman> dongs, neat
2015-09-24T04:17:05 < dongs> they're pretty pro
2015-09-24T04:17:07 < dongs> sharp as fuck
2015-09-24T04:17:21 < dongs> which was the point mostly, i had t hese original fluke leads
2015-09-24T04:17:29 < dongs> that were like 1mm ^2 dullpoint
2015-09-24T04:17:34 < dongs> it was kinda hard to poke into anything small
2015-09-24T04:17:41 < upgrdman> ya hate those
2015-09-24T04:25:14 < dongs> Sense and avoid obstacles with ZANO.s revolutionary 5-axis infrared obstacle avoidance system.
2015-09-24T04:29:53 < upgrdman> so that should obviously be 5DOF. but i forget... what's the diff between an axis and a degree of freedom?
2015-09-24T04:31:32 < dongs> doesnt matter
2015-09-24T04:31:38 < dongs> it doesnt even work
2015-09-24T04:31:44 < dongs> the guy flying it crashed it right into a fucking rock
2015-09-24T04:31:45 < dongs> on first flight
2015-09-24T04:31:48 < upgrdman> lol.
2015-09-24T04:31:49 < dongs> so much for avoidance
2015-09-24T04:31:57 < upgrdman> but seriously, im curious. diff between the two
2015-09-24T04:32:34 < dongs> one is not revolutionary
2015-09-24T04:33:28 < dongs> Having different colored PCB's is definatly an problem, but it just shows how much they went into weight saving.
2015-09-24T04:33:31 < dongs> wat
2015-09-24T04:33:32 < dongs> > different color pcb
2015-09-24T04:33:34 < dongs> > weight saving
2015-09-24T04:33:44 < upgrdman> dat pigment is heavy bro
2015-09-24T04:33:45 < dongs> surely if they wanted to save weight they'd just leave mask fof completely
2015-09-24T04:34:43 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, that pcb guy hangs out in ##fpga if you want to talk to him. goes by the same name as on the pcb
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2015-09-24T05:25:21 < dongs> waiting for zano release
2015-09-24T05:28:21 < dongs> they claim to started shipping "250"
2015-09-24T05:33:30 < ReadError> <upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, that pcb guy hangs out in ##fpga if you want to talk to him. goes by the same name as on the pcb
2015-09-24T05:33:34 < ReadError> thats dongs pal
2015-09-24T05:33:43 < upgrdman> o ok
2015-09-24T05:33:56 < dongs> which guy is that
2015-09-24T05:34:01 < dongs> is that the SJWvana
2015-09-24T05:34:01 < upgrdman> kevtris
2015-09-24T05:34:05 < dongs> o that guy
2015-09-24T05:34:08 < dongs> yea hes ok
2015-09-24T05:34:18 < dongs> i paid him  for some fpga work and he delivered
2015-09-24T05:34:24 < dongs> unli;ke your typical irc dickstarter
2015-09-24T05:37:03 < dongs> like R2COM whos all talk and no action
2015-09-24T05:37:29 < zyp> or me
2015-09-24T05:38:25 < dongs> eh, zyp delivers stuff
2015-09-24T05:49:54 < dongs> dirty pakis
2015-09-24T05:49:56 < dongs> always cheating
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2015-09-24T06:07:31 < upgrdman> dongs should put this wind chime near his office window  https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6222/6402093985_4b894e9a13_b.jpg
2015-09-24T06:10:03 < dongs> looks legit
2015-09-24T06:10:11 < dongs> guise
2015-09-24T06:10:18 < dongs> if you had A0..A16 and D0..D7
2015-09-24T06:10:38 < dongs> and wanted to see a write to 0xA
2015-09-24T06:10:43 < dongs> and select something baed on wat was written
2015-09-24T06:10:48 < dongs> should I ghetto with 74series logic
2015-09-24T06:10:51 < dongs> or just stick a shitty cpld on there
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2015-09-24T06:14:12 < upgrdman> LOL. stupid fuck gets handled by cops   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YmTdMW9uSQ
2015-09-24T06:16:36 < dongs> the fuck is up with his face
2015-09-24T06:16:42 < dongs> is that blood or s weat
2015-09-24T06:17:17 < upgrdman> sweat i think
2015-09-24T06:17:28 < upgrdman> or just an oily nig
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2015-09-24T08:35:16 < dongs> err wtf
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2015-09-24T11:03:41 < dongs> ST is pleased to invite you to attend a 1-hour Google Hangout about our new STM32L4, ARM® Cortex®-M4 microcontroller on Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 5 p.m. CET.
2015-09-24T11:03:44 < dongs>   
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2015-09-24T11:04:08 < ReadError> is there a naming style for SMT switches that have the little 'nubs'
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2015-09-24T11:04:26 < ReadError> like the plastic nubs to stick into the PCB slightly but gullwing termination
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2015-09-24T11:14:34 < dongs> wut
2015-09-24T11:14:47 < dongs> the plastic pins are 'boss pin'
2015-09-24T11:16:56 < Sync> also got dat mail dongs
2015-09-24T11:17:11 < ReadError> guess digikey wont let you search for that in parametric
2015-09-24T11:18:30 < dongs> ReadError: whether it has that pin or not?
2015-09-24T11:18:39 < ReadError> ya
2015-09-24T11:18:40 < dongs> its mentioned in features sometimes i think
2015-09-24T11:19:09 < dongs> features 'board guide'
2015-09-24T11:19:10 < dongs> maybe that
2015-09-24T11:20:05 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/connectors-interconnects/rectangular-connectors-headers-male-pins/1442547?k=CONN%20HEADER%20XH
2015-09-24T11:20:08 < dongs> yeah it mentions it
2015-09-24T11:20:11 < dongs> at least on conectors
2015-09-24T11:20:15 < dongs> w/board guide stuff.
2015-09-24T11:20:24 < ReadError> yea, guess they dont make these with them http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=CKN9112CT-ND
2015-09-24T11:20:29 < ReadError> figured it would be common
2015-09-24T11:21:10 < dongs> yea not those
2015-09-24T11:21:16 < dongs> if you want board guide on those you go dip
2015-09-24T11:21:19 < dongs> why do you even need it?
2015-09-24T11:23:49 < ReadError> i dont need it, I just figured it would make things a bit more secure w/o going the throughhole route
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2015-09-24T12:20:58 < PeterM> GargantuaSauce, http://blog.kevtris.org/blogfiles/fpga_sys/main/ver1.0%20board/
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2015-09-24T12:28:53 < GargantuaSauce> yeah i did the requisite digging
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2015-09-24T12:59:39 < dongs> PeterM: got pix of the fucking holders, they're still "not happy wiht the mold" so they're still dicking with it, light is near tho. http://i.imgur.com/9jGOV0c.png http://i.imgur.com/R5aYSaz.png
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2015-09-24T13:41:15 < PeterM> dongs jesus christ - i thought they already had a clone of the keystoner one sitting around or some shit and they just didnt have nay in storage
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2015-09-24T13:44:23 < dongs> :)
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2015-09-24T13:44:43 < dongs> clone-to-order
2015-09-24T13:45:04 < PeterM> yeah, thats pretty impressive
2015-09-24T13:45:22 < dongs> i googled, isnt 26550 shit used by vaping stoners
2015-09-24T13:45:28 < dongs> so they probably see the potential sales
2015-09-24T13:46:56 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/31MU97-Professional-International-Calibration-Compatible/dp/B00P26X572 why the hell is this so cheap
2015-09-24T13:46:59 < dongs> and why it doenst exist in 24"
2015-09-24T13:47:42 < Laurenceb> http://gfycat.com/DeliriousBelatedEastrussiancoursinghounds
2015-09-24T13:47:58 < PeterM> yeah its used by stoners
2015-09-24T13:48:04 < PeterM> vapers
2015-09-24T13:48:06 < PeterM> same shit
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2015-09-24T14:37:30 < mtbg> Laurenceb: https://i.imgur.com/nUQCxza.gifv
2015-09-24T14:37:43 < Laurenceb> lul
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2015-09-24T15:38:44 < Bundestrojaner> i have a problem with usart2 on stm32f0:
2015-09-24T15:38:44 < Bundestrojaner> After uint8_t dat=USART2->RDR; in my irq-handler, dat always contains 254 or 255. i've tried PA3 and PA15...
2015-09-24T15:38:44 < Bundestrojaner> here's my config: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12541530/
2015-09-24T15:58:33 < Bundestrojaner> i have set it up to echo what i send on tx.
2015-09-24T15:58:33 < Bundestrojaner> when i send 00, i get 00 e0. Anything else tested returns only e0
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2015-09-24T16:17:13 < jpa-> Bundestrojaner: maybe your baudrate is wrong? i.e. clock speed not what you expect
2015-09-24T16:18:02 < jpa-> you can try transmitting from the stm32 and see if that has the correct baudrate
2015-09-24T16:18:23 < Bundestrojaner> jpa-: good idea, thx. I'll try that
2015-09-24T16:23:59 < Bundestrojaner> is there a way to "restart" openocd?
2015-09-24T16:24:39 < jpa-> meaning what?
2015-09-24T16:24:45 < Bundestrojaner> after a few debug-sessions in eclipse, i encounter problems. restarting eclipse and reconecting the discovery-board doesn't fix it.
2015-09-24T16:24:51 < Bundestrojaner> after rebooting my pc, it works again
2015-09-24T16:25:02 < jpa-> umm, close openocd and open it again?
2015-09-24T16:25:28 < Bundestrojaner> jpa-: i don't start it, i guess eclipse does it in background
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2015-09-24T16:56:45 < dongs> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-24/mum-charged-after-baby-allegedly-found-abandoned-in-brisbane/6803426 wacky ausfags
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2015-09-24T18:16:54 < Laurenceb> freebsd  irc
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2015-09-24T19:13:16 < Laurenceb> fake
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2015-09-24T19:40:13 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSVREUDY3MW9lZnc/view?usp=docslist_api
2015-09-24T19:40:24 < kakimir> sup car pros
2015-09-24T19:43:23 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdmhIbENaaXgxRVU/view?usp=docslist_api impovised bleedimg gear
2015-09-24T19:45:33 < Sync> pretty dead disks
2015-09-24T19:45:44 < kakimir> eventually after half of liter I found that
2015-09-24T19:46:03 < kakimir> bubbles came from threading
2015-09-24T19:46:22 < Sync> that's why I don't vacuum bleed
2015-09-24T19:47:07 < kakimir> just drop some fluid to thread with syringe
2015-09-24T19:47:17 < kakimir> ends it
2015-09-24T19:48:11 < kakimir> those disks are just fine
2015-09-24T19:49:58 < Sync> a lot of grooving, uneven rust and uneven contact
2015-09-24T19:50:02 < Sync> they will feel awful
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2015-09-24T19:55:07 < Ecco> https://vimeo.com/125993313
2015-09-24T19:55:15 < Ecco> That's pretty awesome
2015-09-24T19:55:28 < kakimir> now i have all 4wheek4wheels beajbeakingbeakinbeaks
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2015-09-24T19:55:53 < kakimir> goods
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2015-09-24T19:56:40 < kakimir>  autocomplete didnt work
2015-09-24T20:01:32 < Bundestrojaner> what is a good environment for developing for/debugging stm32 on linux?
2015-09-24T20:01:45 < englishman> a windows vm
2015-09-24T20:02:08 < mitrax> ahahah
2015-09-24T20:03:00 < kakimir> coide on wine
2015-09-24T20:10:19 < Bundestrojaner> ok, so i have to stay with eclipse... :(
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2015-09-24T20:11:35 < Sync> why are you even using eclipse
2015-09-24T20:13:18 < Bundestrojaner> Sync: it was the only IDE for Arm on Linux I've found a year ago
2015-09-24T20:19:11 < karlp> there's stm32studio, which is an st packaged hacked up eclipse,
2015-09-24T20:19:30 < karlp> people also use netbeans, kdevelop, kate, codeblocks, qtdeveloper,.....
2015-09-24T20:20:02 < Sync> or just a plain editor
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2015-09-24T20:27:43 < Bundestrojaner> i think editing and compiling is not the problem, debugging is
2015-09-24T20:28:11 < Bundestrojaner> i used eclipse with openocd/gdb in the past
2015-09-24T20:28:37 < Bundestrojaner> which works most of the time...
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2015-09-24T20:55:56 < Ecco> vim ftw
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2015-09-24T22:30:56 < Lux> to all the altium pros here: is there a way to show a component name in 3d view somehow ?
2015-09-24T22:31:08 < Lux> like not by clicking it but hover or we
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2015-09-24T22:34:00 < Lux> i guess board insight kinda does the job
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2015-09-24T23:20:22 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbkY2aFdxSXd4aU0/view?usp=docslist_api Hans I'm going to kill you
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2015-09-24T23:22:43 < englishman> it looks like youre trying to audi
2015-09-24T23:23:23 < englishman> would you like to a) borrow a service manual b) top up the oil in your leaky rebadged vw c) spend $15 on a d.o.p.e. sticker
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2015-09-24T23:29:30 < kakimir> d) cliff under downhill road
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2015-09-24T23:33:53 < kakimir> cars are cancer
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2015-09-24T23:34:35 < Sync> cars are fun
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2015-09-24T23:39:41 < kakimir> wait it gets better
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2015-09-24T23:40:12 < kakimir> first it was stuck and then I got it moving with leverage
2015-09-24T23:40:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeGpIT1JFczBqb0E/view?usp=docslist_api spring
2015-09-24T23:41:01 < Sync> what car is it?
2015-09-24T23:43:50 < upgrdman_> Bundestrojaner, i do stm32f0 in linux
2015-09-24T23:44:07 < upgrdman_> with a Makefile, because im super pro
2015-09-24T23:44:35 < upgrdman_> my shitty notes are here: http://farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-06-14_Complete_STM32F0_Development_Environment/
2015-09-24T23:44:41 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: :) And what are you using for debugging?
2015-09-24T23:44:58 < upgrdman_> command line
2015-09-24T23:45:02 < upgrdman_> gdb + openocd
2015-09-24T23:45:43 < upgrdman_> i "make debug_server" in one terminal, and "make debug_cli" in another server... and im dropped into main()
2015-09-24T23:45:52 < upgrdman_> *in another terminal
2015-09-24T23:46:58 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: your "shitty notes" also use eclipse for debugging, what plugin are you using?
2015-09-24T23:47:06 < upgrdman_> should be in the notes :)
2015-09-24T23:47:49 < upgrdman_> here:
2015-09-24T23:47:50 < upgrdman_> Help > Install New Software > Add
2015-09-24T23:47:50 < upgrdman_>     Name = EmbSysRegView Plug-in
2015-09-24T23:47:50 < upgrdman_>     Location = http://embsysregview.sourceforge.net/update
2015-09-24T23:47:50 < upgrdman_>     Select: embsysregview (both components)
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2015-09-24T23:51:03 < aandrew> that's a really nice idea built on top of a shit ide :-(
2015-09-24T23:53:26 < upgrdman_> i find the more i use eclipse the better i can tolerate it. it still sucks in many areas, but you get a feel for how to quickly work around most of them
2015-09-24T23:53:58 < upgrdman_> but i still prefer something lighter weight for most tasks
2015-09-24T23:55:11 < upgrdman_> at this point my biggest nags with eclipse are that it's ugly and slow to start up.
2015-09-24T23:55:42 < upgrdman_> oh and it still sucks with a high-dpi monitor
2015-09-24T23:57:19 < Bundestrojaner> aandrew, upgrdman_: has one of you tried code::blocks?
2015-09-24T23:57:48 < Bundestrojaner> i like the ide, but i use it only for atmel's 8bit-µcontrollers
2015-09-24T23:57:57 < upgrdman_> i installed it, found it kinda annoying, and removed it
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2015-09-25T00:04:35 < mitrax> what i hate with eclipse is how the project files are tied to the filesystem directory structure, iirc you can't simply add individual files you have to map whole sub-folders, maybe there's a way around it but the UI is super convoluted
2015-09-25T00:05:43 < jadew> I don't know what you guys linked, but somehow I ended up on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nliUmsxzEdA
2015-09-25T00:05:43 < jadew> PHP Parse error: parse error in SCRIPT on line 1
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2015-09-25T00:06:27 < jadew> not going to get into theme park rides anymore
2015-09-25T00:06:35 < upgrdman_> jadew, for what URL are you get a php error?
2015-09-25T00:06:38 < upgrdman_> mine?
2015-09-25T00:07:00 < jadew> upgrdman_, no, the PHP error is from a script of mine, it tried to fetch the title of the youtube video
2015-09-25T00:07:02 < jadew> but it failed
2015-09-25T00:07:07 < upgrdman_> o lol
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2015-09-25T00:13:52 < jadew> ebay's global shipping programme sucks
2015-09-25T00:14:09 < jadew> by the time you get your item you're already bored with the topic
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2015-09-25T00:15:19 < Sync> I never had an issue with it
2015-09-25T00:15:29 < jadew> the issue is that it takes too long
2015-09-25T00:16:16 < jadew> I ordered a microscope and since then I watched every video and read every piece of info on microscopes and microscopic life
2015-09-25T00:16:17 < Sync> I usually had my stuff in a week
2015-09-25T00:17:07 < jadew> Sync, where do you live?
2015-09-25T00:17:47 < Sync> germoney
2015-09-25T00:18:02 < jadew> and you got stuff via GSP from EU or USA?
2015-09-25T00:18:14 < jadew> ah, nvm there's a hub there
2015-09-25T00:18:38 < jadew> once it gets to germany, it takes a few more days ~3-4 days until it exits germany
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2015-09-25T00:19:21 < jadew> the same thing goes in US, depending on where it's comming from, it can take a week until it leaves the country
2015-09-25T00:20:31 < jadew> speaking of germany, what's the deal with the Syrians? how do does the general population perceives what's happening?
2015-09-25T00:20:42 < jadew> s/do//
2015-09-25T00:21:03 < Laurenceb__> turkish replacement
2015-09-25T00:21:09 < jadew> heh
2015-09-25T00:21:18 < Laurenceb__> Turks are heading home so they need replacement workers
2015-09-25T00:21:18 < BrainDamage> it's ok, they are already well equipped with plenty of camps to deal with unwanted people
2015-09-25T00:21:37 < jadew> haha
2015-09-25T00:22:03 < Laurenceb__> maybe they could use migrants to bypass customs
2015-09-25T00:22:24 < Laurenceb__> just ship your fedex to them and have them carry tons of shit through, no questions asked
2015-09-25T00:22:34 < Sync> idk, I'm not the general population jadew
2015-09-25T00:22:55 < jadew> Sync, how come? immigrant?
2015-09-25T00:22:55 < Laurenceb__> checking my baggage?! das wacist
2015-09-25T00:23:28 < jadew> Laurenceb__, heh, that should work
2015-09-25T00:23:52 < Laurenceb__> hey im half irish
2015-09-25T00:23:54 < Laurenceb__> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Scientific_Racism_Irish.jpg
2015-09-25T00:24:14 < jadew> I'm just wondering because the attitude of the germans is being portrayed as welcoming and chill
2015-09-25T00:24:28 < jadew> while in my country there's a serious resistance to the idea
2015-09-25T00:24:35 < jadew> in neighbouring countries as well
2015-09-25T00:25:02 < jadew> so I wonder if it's a mentality thing or if the media is spewing lies
2015-09-25T00:25:25 < Sync> where are you from?
2015-09-25T00:25:26 < Sync> well
2015-09-25T00:25:37 < Sync> generally people are positive
2015-09-25T00:25:38 < jadew> Sync, romania
2015-09-25T00:25:44 < Sync> but you hear the voices
2015-09-25T00:26:27 < jadew> interesting
2015-09-25T00:26:56 < jadew> for us, it's very hard to understand that
2015-09-25T00:27:15 < Laurenceb__> its a simple case of economics, Merkel needs cheap labour
2015-09-25T00:27:33 < Laurenceb__> so she spun it using SJW media
2015-09-25T00:27:38 < upgrdman_> not enough poor people in .de ?
2015-09-25T00:27:47 < jadew> Laurenceb__, I don't think a nation is only about population
2015-09-25T00:28:12 < jadew> acceping a culture of rape and crazy into your midst, doesn't sound wise
2015-09-25T00:28:23 < Laurenceb__> the 1% are ok
2015-09-25T00:28:30 < jadew> heh, yeah
2015-09-25T00:29:42 < jadew> I meant: I don't think a nation is only about economics
2015-09-25T00:30:29 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2015-09-25T00:30:35 < Sync> why is it hard to understand jadew?
2015-09-25T00:31:03 < jadew> Sync, because of the above, it's how most romanians see the issue
2015-09-25T00:31:08 < englishman> Sync: i can tell from the control arm and that bumper is likely a B6 A4
2015-09-25T00:31:20 < Laurenceb__> B6 A4??
2015-09-25T00:31:23 < Laurenceb__> oh Audi
2015-09-25T00:31:31 < englishman> no im playing chess
2015-09-25T00:31:46 < Laurenceb__> I only know cheap vauxhall/opel cuz I'm cheap
2015-09-25T00:31:56 < englishman> i saw a vauxhall the other day it blew my mind
2015-09-25T00:32:04 < englishman> i think someone just put badges on it
2015-09-25T00:32:19 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-09-25T00:32:46 < jadew> thta vauxhall looks a lot like dacia
2015-09-25T00:32:48 < Laurenceb__> I've always found this very off
2015-09-25T00:32:50 < Laurenceb__> *odd
2015-09-25T00:32:50 < jadew> *that
2015-09-25T00:32:52 < Laurenceb__> http://hh-ms.com/wp-content/uploads/news_astra_mk2_suspension_kit1.jpg
2015-09-25T00:32:53 < Sync> ah yes, how can I not know muh audes
2015-09-25T00:33:06 < Laurenceb__> is the axel used structurally?
2015-09-25T00:33:21 < englishman> no
2015-09-25T00:33:21 < Laurenceb__> there dont seem to be enough arms lol
2015-09-25T00:33:21 < englishman> never
2015-09-25T00:33:23 < Laurenceb__> ok
2015-09-25T00:33:31 < Sync> kakimir: you are not supposed to do it that way
2015-09-25T00:33:41 < englishman> that looks like macpherson style Laurenceb__
2015-09-25T00:33:52 < englishman> simple and popular control arm type for front wheels
2015-09-25T00:34:00  * Laurenceb__ googles
2015-09-25T00:34:17 < Sync> I always wondered why audi did not use mcpherson on the b6
2015-09-25T00:34:20 < Laurenceb__> wait wut
2015-09-25T00:34:26 < Laurenceb__> how can that possibly work
2015-09-25T00:34:29 < englishman> coupld reasons
2015-09-25T00:34:31  * Laurenceb__ brain melt
2015-09-25T00:34:32 < englishman> awd
2015-09-25T00:34:38 < englishman> dual wishbone way much better
2015-09-25T00:34:41 < Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacPherson_strut#/media/File:Mcpherson_strut.jpg
2015-09-25T00:34:51 < englishman> audi control arms have more engineering in them than vw entire car
2015-09-25T00:35:02 < englishman> whats wrong Laurenceb__
2015-09-25T00:35:12 < Laurenceb__> it looks like it should turn into twisted metal
2015-09-25T00:35:19 < englishman> what kind of car you have
2015-09-25T00:35:20 < Laurenceb__> wheres the second wishbone?
2015-09-25T00:35:27 < englishman> macpherson isnt double wishbone
2015-09-25T00:41:35 < Laurenceb__> non lol
2015-09-25T00:41:35 < Sync> the s3 has the same setup as the golf englishman :P
2015-09-25T00:41:35 < Laurenceb__> need to get myself one
2015-09-25T00:41:35 < Sync> dual wishbone only is more versatile in setting the camber curve, but mcpherson tends to be lighter or cheaper
2015-09-25T00:41:35 < Laurenceb__> oh
2015-09-25T00:41:35 < Laurenceb__> I understand now
2015-09-25T00:41:36 < Laurenceb__> I didnt realise the camber was allowed to be screwed up
2015-09-25T00:41:36 < Sync> it is not allowed to screw up
2015-09-25T00:41:36 < Sync> it is controlled over the suspension travel
2015-09-25T00:41:36 < Sync> incrasing with moar travel
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2015-09-25T00:41:36 < kakimir> Sync: I figured it out as I tried to put new arm in
2015-09-25T00:41:37 < kakimir> It's hard to put bolt in when spring is just in line with hole
2015-09-25T00:41:45 < Sync> that's the wrong way to do it
2015-09-25T00:41:51 < Sync> you remove the thing on top
2015-09-25T00:41:57 < Sync> and the whole assembly drops out
2015-09-25T00:42:17 < englishman> yeah a3 is the odd child
2015-09-25T00:42:29 < englishman> Laurenceb__: thats a drawback in macpherson
2015-09-25T00:42:34 < englishman> as spring compresses camber changes
2015-09-25T00:42:40 < englishman> go watch s1e1 of miami vice
2015-09-25T00:42:45 < englishman> where theyre rolling around in the ferrari
2015-09-25T00:42:48 < englishman> you can see the camber change
2015-09-25T00:42:51 < Sync> which is you want
2015-09-25T00:42:52 < englishman> so you know its a replica
2015-09-25T00:43:00 < englishman> actually a jag underneath.
2015-09-25T00:43:07 < kakimir> need to sleep first
2015-09-25T00:43:19 < Sync> even double wishbone suspensions will follow a camber curve
2015-09-25T00:43:28 < kakimir> I hope there is no alignment shiet when it's placed back to it's place
2015-09-25T00:43:36 < Sync> as it gives you MOAR traction
2015-09-25T00:44:26 < englishman> oh also macpherson has bump steer
2015-09-25T00:44:32 < englishman> due to castered struts
2015-09-25T00:44:38 < englishman> depends on car
2015-09-25T00:45:25 < Laurenceb__> cars are so full of hacks
2015-09-25T00:45:37 < Laurenceb__> like some 80s PC
2015-09-25T00:45:37 < Sync> yeah but you can dial bumpsteer out by adjusting the steering arm connection point
2015-09-25T00:45:44 < englishman> yes cars are junk
2015-09-25T00:45:56 < englishman> Laurenceb__: some pr0n http://i.imgur.com/d7F79af.jpg
2015-09-25T00:46:48 < kakimir> Sync: right way to do stuff 1) remove tonne of plastic and panels
2015-09-25T00:47:14 < kakimir> 2) remove engine and transmission
2015-09-25T00:47:15 < Sync> you only need to remove the rain pan
2015-09-25T00:47:28 < kakimir> 3) change light bulb
2015-09-25T00:47:49 < upgrdman_> 4) insert old light bulb into ass
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2015-09-25T00:49:08 < Sync> what shit is that englishman?
2015-09-25T00:50:00 < englishman> :)
2015-09-25T00:50:20 < englishman> it is a stohr wf1
2015-09-25T00:50:36 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd1zb73PJyQ
2015-09-25T00:51:13 < Sync> I was gonna say, looks too pro for FSAE
2015-09-25T00:51:23 < englishman> lol fsae.
2015-09-25T00:51:40 < kakimir> good job #car32 let's get it finished tomorrow
2015-09-25T00:51:49 < kakimir> good nite>
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2015-09-25T02:10:17 < Roklobsta> discuss
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2015-09-25T02:22:02 < jadew> Sync, not sure if this made the news in germany, but it's all over the place in here and it was the main concern even before it hit the news: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3240010/Number-refugees-arriving-Europe-soars-85-year-just-one-five-war-torn-Syria.html
2015-09-25T02:22:37 < jadew> this is the primary reason why the migrants are facing such resistence
2015-09-25T02:24:24 < jadew> the thing is that everyone feels sorry for the refugees, but given the stories that were circulating in our country, people panicked
2015-09-25T02:29:12 < jadew> anyway, I hope this horror will end soon and everyone in need of help will get it, there are clearly lots of people in distress among them
2015-09-25T02:45:04 < Bundestrojaner> jadew: "I'm just wondering because the attitude of the germans is being portrayed as welcoming and chill"
2015-09-25T02:45:04 < Bundestrojaner> only a small but loud socialisty minority which declares everyone else as nazis...
2015-09-25T02:45:47 < jadew> I see, so it's just what makes it into the news
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2015-09-25T02:50:17 < Bundestrojaner> i hate this router
2015-09-25T02:50:23 < jadew> change it :)
2015-09-25T02:50:34 < jadew> wireless or wired?
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2015-09-25T02:51:07 < Bundestrojaner> it's a modem/router/accespoint-crap from the isp
2015-09-25T02:51:14 < jadew> ah
2015-09-25T02:52:52 < Bundestrojaner> it also violates the wlan-standard which causes mobile phone's wlan-module to go to deepsleep and not waking up when messages arrive...
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2015-09-25T02:54:09 < jadew> what do you mean? its own GSM module or an external mobile phone's module?
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2015-09-25T02:57:29 < Bundestrojaner> jadew: when my mobile phone is in the router's w-lan, it doesn't get (for example) whatsapp-messages
2015-09-25T02:58:08 < jadew> ah
2015-09-25T02:58:12 < Bundestrojaner> only when i unlock phone's screen - than it wakes up its wlan-module and receives everything missed at once
2015-09-25T02:58:22 < jadew> now I get it
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2015-09-25T02:59:52 < Bundestrojaner> i could probably solve the wlan-problem by connecting my good old wrt54 to it and use it as AP
2015-09-25T03:00:16 < Bundestrojaner> but that won't fix the unstable internet connection
2015-09-25T03:00:43 < Bundestrojaner> the isps do some dirty tricks because they're running out of ipv4-ips
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2015-09-25T03:20:59 < Bundestrojaner> cu
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2015-09-25T03:43:48 < dongs> sup dongs
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2015-09-25T03:55:02 < dongs> The guys here are also very busy putting Zano's through the rig. Hundred and hundreds have been put through, boxed and some have been dispatched. The Android app should also be on the Google Play store before 5pm today. Might even be up there in an hour. Just a bit of testing left to do.
2015-09-25T03:56:49 < dongs> That being said, Torquing is not new in the field. They just never have delivered a product to consumers and at that volume. Either way, my comparison above stands. Even if you don't get all features as promised, the Kickstarter will be considered fulfilled based on the guidelines from Kickstarter.
2015-09-25T04:00:00 < karlp> a friends kickstarter just got funded, pretty sure they'll deliver without any real delay
2015-09-25T04:00:10 < dongs> waht did tehy dickstart
2015-09-25T04:00:41 < karlp> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/134026492/jadedaid
2015-09-25T04:00:45 < karlp> nothing very relevant here :)
2015-09-25T04:01:04 < dongs> yeah that doesnt sound very hard to make
2015-09-25T04:01:22 < zyp> so CaH for weird people
2015-09-25T04:01:24 < karlp> no :)
2015-09-25T04:01:40 < karlp> yeah, just niche CaH set
2015-09-25T04:01:49 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1142760001/iqiki screenshots of pirated altidong
2015-09-25T04:01:53 < dongs> in teh video
2015-09-25T04:01:55 < zyp> I don't even get what the example cards are supposed to mean
2015-09-25T04:02:05 < zyp> haha
2015-09-25T04:02:08 < dongs> another NRF51822 bt crap
2015-09-25T04:03:06 < zyp> how can you tell it's pirated?
2015-09-25T04:03:52 < ds2> the nrf51 is a fine chip
2015-09-25T04:04:15 < artag> except for the 51 bit ?
2015-09-25T04:04:19 < zyp> yeah, it's cool
2015-09-25T04:04:27 < zyp> but the peripherals are a bit limited
2015-09-25T04:04:30 < ds2> it is not an 8051
2015-09-25T04:04:33 < ds2> :P
2015-09-25T04:05:03 < jadew> what is CaH?
2015-09-25T04:05:10 < dongs> dongs against humanity
2015-09-25T04:05:14 < zyp> esp. the GPIOTE module
2015-09-25T04:05:33 < ds2> limited depends on how you view it
2015-09-25T04:05:42 < ds2> as a slave radio chip, the peripherals are fine
2015-09-25T04:05:48 < ds2> and the mux really helps with layout
2015-09-25T04:06:32 < zyp> if you only want a slave radio, there's plenty of other choices
2015-09-25T04:06:56 < ds2> you mean the nRF2x or the CC stuff?
2015-09-25T04:07:06 < zyp> I'm talking about it's role as a full single chip solution
2015-09-25T04:07:21 < ds2> what do you expect to do on there?
2015-09-25T04:07:31 < zyp> I want to make a pwm control signal
2015-09-25T04:07:52 < ds2> it does that
2015-09-25T04:08:02 < ds2> did PWM LEDs on it
2015-09-25T04:08:05 < dongs> barely
2015-09-25T04:08:06 < zyp> sure
2015-09-25T04:08:25 < ds2> would have liked to have more pwm channels but that's a different thing
2015-09-25T04:08:32 < zyp> you can hook a timer to GPIOTE in toggle mode
2015-09-25T04:09:14 < dongs> zyp, it says "licensed to altium parnter #1" or osmething in the closeup video
2015-09-25T04:09:28 < dongs> in <title>
2015-09-25T04:09:36 < zyp> but you'll have to rely on it keeping it sync, since you can't hook one event to high and one event to low, you'll have to hook both events to toggle
2015-09-25T04:09:51 < zyp> nrf52 fixes this and adds set/clear tasks to GPIOTE
2015-09-25T04:10:00 < ds2> ah I see what you mean
2015-09-25T04:10:20 < ds2> didn't care too much for LEDs but if you want to do control like the RC crap...
2015-09-25T04:10:43 < zyp> I don't like the fragility of that
2015-09-25T04:14:00 < zyp> oh, and at 0% duty you'll pretty much get the two events firing simultaneously, are they guaranteed to trigger the task twice when they are both pointed at the same task?
2015-09-25T04:15:01 < zyp> if one of the events suddenly get dropped from that then you're at 50% duty at half the frequency
2015-09-25T04:18:39 < zyp> hmm, set/clear tasks doesn't really solve that either, if you had that then you could get a race condition where clear get triggered after set
2015-09-25T04:25:49 < dongs> does IOS broadcast notifications to BT devices or something?
2015-09-25T04:25:58 < dongs> i dont understand how that idicky thing doesnt need an app to go with it
2015-09-25T04:26:40 < ReadError> iwatch
2015-09-25T04:26:52 < ReadError> has API for notifications
2015-09-25T04:27:22 < dongs> ohh hm
2015-09-25T04:27:34 < dongs> wouldnt it be laden with apple DRM tho
2015-09-25T04:27:43 < ReadError> no
2015-09-25T04:27:44 < dongs> not as simple as cloning jewWatch protocol and shit?
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2015-09-25T04:28:42 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/506/563/5daaabbce995d784b63cc818d88604ec_original.jpg?v=1442391166&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=297620908f49a5a3398443a99f5d13a1
2015-09-25T04:29:13 < dongs> $12/ea for 3k production at 36000
2015-09-25T04:29:13 < dongs> hm
2015-09-25T04:29:18 < dongs> thats is acutally reasonable i guess
2015-09-25T04:29:19 < Roklobsta> really a bluetooth led flasher?  WTF?
2015-09-25T04:29:26 < dongs> Roklobsta: ikr
2015-09-25T04:29:41 < Roklobsta> no wonder we're fucked as a species
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2015-09-25T04:29:57 < dongs> but it flashes different patterns
2015-09-25T04:30:00 < dongs> i think they fucked up tho
2015-09-25T04:30:04 < dongs> it should be multicolor
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2015-09-25T04:30:17 < zyp> that's for v2
2015-09-25T04:30:18 < dongs> it being white only limits it a lot
2015-09-25T04:30:30 < Roklobsta> it should be terminated and the makers get out in the sunshine more
2015-09-25T04:30:44 < dongs> i would have used that 0.96" oled personally
2015-09-25T04:30:46 < ReadError> dreSte4t6fap6a1054
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2015-09-25T04:30:59 < artag> I'm trying to run an stm32f301 off the st-link on an f3 discovery board, and getting an error :
2015-09-25T04:31:00 < dongs> so you could actually have some meaningful stuff
2015-09-25T04:31:02 < artag> 2015-09-25T02:29:43 WARN src/stlink-common.c: unknown coreid 2ba01477, page erase failed
2015-09-25T04:31:05 < artag> 2015-09-25T02:29:43 ERROR src/stlink-common.c: Failed to erase_flash_page(0x8000000) == -1
2015-09-25T04:31:08 < zyp> ReadError, nice password
2015-09-25T04:31:09 < Roklobsta> why. does. every. brainfart. have. to. be. wirelessified?
2015-09-25T04:31:23 < dongs> Roklobsta: youre just angry you didnt think of this first
2015-09-25T04:31:36 < ReadError> zyp thx its much strong
2015-09-25T04:31:49 < artag> found some vaguely related links about possible st-link failings but not sure if there's a fix
2015-09-25T04:31:51 < Roklobsta> dongs: you're completely right.  i'm going out into the spring sunshine for a bit.
2015-09-25T04:32:24 < dongs> where the fuck is it sunshine now
2015-09-25T04:32:28 < Roklobsta> .au
2015-09-25T04:32:37 < dongs> ohy right
2015-09-25T04:32:51 < Roklobsta> midday spring sun shining into my office window beckoning me outside.
2015-09-25T04:33:09 < zyp> you should get some curtains
2015-09-25T04:34:07 < dongs> i got blinds
2015-09-25T04:37:25 < zyp> oh, yeah, that's the appropriate term
2015-09-25T04:37:40 < zyp> I got roller blinds, in norwegian we call them roll-curtains
2015-09-25T04:38:57 < dongs> http://blindfactory.assets1.blockshome.com/assets/blind-factory-optimised-backgrounds/DdiYmpU39o7r6xZ/roller-background02.jpg
2015-09-25T04:39:00 < dongs> you mean this kinda shit?
2015-09-25T04:39:06 < dongs> that rolls up a sheet like a projector screen or something
2015-09-25T04:39:10 < zyp> yeah
2015-09-25T04:42:07 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/1JmPf.mp4 <- the grey shit in the background here
2015-09-25T04:46:04 < dongs> attn upgrdman__  http://i.imgur.com/eV1pNnW.gifv
2015-09-25T04:48:41 < upgrdman__> nice
2015-09-25T04:48:47 < upgrdman__> 10/10 would sweve again
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2015-09-25T04:49:14 < upgrdman> swerve even
2015-09-25T04:55:08 < Roklobsta> eh it's classic darwinism.
2015-09-25T04:56:48 < jadew> or poor regulations
2015-09-25T04:56:58 < upgrdman> wtf does regs have to do with it
2015-09-25T04:57:09 < Roklobsta> his control loop was overshooting?
2015-09-25T04:57:24 < upgrdman> certainly not critically damped
2015-09-25T04:57:26 < jadew> upgrdman, if they would be enforced they would behave
2015-09-25T04:57:50 < jadew> on top of that, better education might help avoid that stuff
2015-09-25T04:57:52 < Roklobsta> his step response was pretty good though.
2015-09-25T04:57:52 < upgrdman> jadew, even in iron-fist contries, people stuff fuck off like that
2015-09-25T04:57:57 < jadew> young people do stupid things
2015-09-25T04:58:41 < Roklobsta> the ones who survive get to breed
2015-09-25T04:58:57 < upgrdman> dongs, http://gfycat.com/ApprehensiveAllAfricanrockpython
2015-09-25T04:59:18 < jadew> true, I guess that somehow it still comes down to darwin
2015-09-25T04:59:56 < dongs> upgrdman: lol, LPG taxi?
2015-09-25T04:59:59 < zyp> I'll start doing dumb stuff after I'm done having kids
2015-09-25T05:00:04 < upgrdman> yup
2015-09-25T05:00:09 < jadew> haha zyp
2015-09-25T05:00:17 < Roklobsta> all taxis here are lpg
2015-09-25T05:00:57 < dongs> yea i was kinda surprised in best korea they evne have lpg fillup stations that look just like gas stations
2015-09-25T05:01:01 < dongs> i dont think ive seen those in jp tho
2015-09-25T05:01:15 < jadew> we have LPG too
2015-09-25T05:01:21 < jadew> particularly on taxis
2015-09-25T05:01:37 < zyp> we used to have a few LPG stations in norway, not sure those still exists
2015-09-25T05:01:49 < zyp> nowadays all the rage is charging points for EVs
2015-09-25T05:01:49 < upgrdman> dongs, that reminds me. i dont think i ever saw a gas station when i was in china. weird.
2015-09-25T05:02:07 < jadew> we don't have any of those yet
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2015-09-25T05:03:31 < Roklobsta> the lpg is alongside petrol and diesel at most servos.  you don't even notice them.
2015-09-25T05:03:33 < jadew> upgrdman, all those cars were actually bycicle powered rishkas
2015-09-25T05:03:56 < jadew> bicycle
2015-09-25T05:04:03 < upgrdman> saw fucktons of those
2015-09-25T05:04:20 < upgrdman> but plenty of gas or diesel minivans stuff full
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2015-09-25T05:06:37 < dongs> can someone explain amazon prime video
2015-09-25T05:06:51 < ReadError> its just like, netflix
2015-09-25T05:06:52 < dongs> why is shit free but when you close it it offers to rent for like $3-$8 or so
2015-09-25T05:07:14 < ReadError> for non-prime?
2015-09-25T05:07:23 < ReadError> some content is limited to certain devices
2015-09-25T05:07:40 < dongs> well i only see jap side of it but
2015-09-25T05:07:45 < dongs> it says amazon video
2015-09-25T05:07:51 < dongs> 'included in prime video'
2015-09-25T05:07:59 < dongs> and you can watch whole thing free as far as i can tell
2015-09-25T05:08:07 < dongs> but on the pause screen it has buttons for like
2015-09-25T05:08:07 < ReadError> link to content?
2015-09-25T05:08:11 < dongs> additional buying options
2015-09-25T05:08:17 < dongs> 1 click rfental 400 yen hd
2015-09-25T05:08:21 < dongs> 1 clic kuy 2000 yen
2015-09-25T05:08:21 < dongs> etc
2015-09-25T05:08:22 < englishman> you can watch it free online and buy the dvd from amazon?
2015-09-25T05:08:27 < upgrdman> ya i have prime. checked out the videos... reminded me of why i canceled netflix. nothing i want to see.
2015-09-25T05:08:41 < ReadError> maybe its rental for offline
2015-09-25T05:08:52 < ReadError> idk never rented shit
2015-09-25T05:09:10 < ReadError> upgrdman ya netflix is losing a lot of content now they didnt renew that deal I think too
2015-09-25T05:09:12 < dongs> http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00G9U1518/ you probly cant see but shrug
2015-09-25T05:09:43 < ReadError> oh
2015-09-25T05:09:49 < ReadError> if you have prime its free it says here
2015-09-25T05:09:54 < ReadError> the rental is for non-prime
2015-09-25T05:10:15 < dongs> i guess the 'rental for offline' is probly it
2015-09-25T05:10:55 < ReadError> lol all the japs complaining about the voice dubbing
2015-09-25T05:11:35 < Roklobsta> payback for bad english dubbing of jap cartoons
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2015-09-25T05:11:53 < Roklobsta> flappy mouths never lining up with the syllables
2015-09-25T05:12:24 < Roklobsta> and most japanese cartoons are bewildering dreck.
2015-09-25T05:18:35 < dongs> i think turdanis is here
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2015-09-25T05:19:58 < dongs> yep
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2015-09-25T05:23:46 < ReadError> does yours speak jap
2015-09-25T05:23:53 < ReadError> R2COM the radio we told you to get
2015-09-25T05:25:09 < ReadError> turdanis/tardanus/tardanis = FrSky Taranis x9d
2015-09-25T05:36:54 < icee> anyone know if there's a gnu arm eclipse community around?
2015-09-25T05:37:01 < icee> like on an irc somewhere
2015-09-25T05:41:30 < icee> well, i'm particularly asking about the people who might be involved in qemu-for-arm-microcontroller development
2015-09-25T05:42:27 < dongs> from my extensive irc experience, i would have to say that real pros are never on irc.
2015-09-25T05:43:01 < Roklobsta> dongs: speak for yourself
2015-09-25T05:43:03 < Roklobsta> <cough>
2015-09-25T05:43:16 < icee> :P
2015-09-25T05:43:38 < icee> i need floating point support :<
2015-09-25T05:44:01 < dongs> Roklobsta: wat,
2015-09-25T05:44:26 < dongs> rutryinmg to say youre a pro
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2015-09-25T06:41:36  * aandrew is watching hackers
2015-09-25T06:48:41 < Bright> (1995)?
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2015-09-25T06:51:10 < aandrew> yep
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2015-09-25T07:18:04 < dongs> row your boat
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2015-09-25T07:19:07 < ReadError> * aandrew just watching for the boobs
2015-09-25T07:19:08 < emeb_mac> gently down the stream?
2015-09-25T07:19:24 < aandrew> lol
2015-09-25T07:19:27 < aandrew> not many boobs in there
2015-09-25T07:19:45 < aandrew> you see like 3 frames of angelina jolie's teenage tits
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2015-09-25T07:24:50 < aandrew> oh, there was another 2 second scene where you get a top view I guess
2015-09-25T07:30:49 < dongs> haha
2015-09-25T07:31:04 < aandrew> before or after the decimal point?
2015-09-25T07:31:09 < dongs> is it PG&E
2015-09-25T07:31:42 < upgrdman> lol  http://gfycat.com/DearestActiveBabirusa
2015-09-25T07:33:06 < ds2> sure it is not due to currency devaluation?
2015-09-25T07:35:29 < upgrdman> dongs, http://gfycat.com/JoyfulDisloyalGallowaycow
2015-09-25T07:38:23 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-09-25T07:54:44 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/753230753/packed-pixels-an-extra-monitor-for-your-laptop-0/posts/1361644
2015-09-25T07:54:48 < dongs> haha
2015-09-25T07:55:11 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-25T07:55:13 < dongs> more dealys
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2015-09-25T08:00:18 < dongs> toshiba 4/5TBs arent bad
2015-09-25T08:00:25 < dongs> at least with my limited experience with ~30 of htem
2015-09-25T08:00:35 < dongs> dont know, i odnt use any WD.
2015-09-25T08:00:55 < sadara> WD black are ok
2015-09-25T08:01:16 < sadara> I've got +20, and not had any die
2015-09-25T08:01:33 < sadara> I've not had any troble with WD greens though
2015-09-25T08:02:00 < sadara> and everyone else seems to
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2015-09-25T08:11:48 < upgrdman> what do the WD "colors" mean?
2015-09-25T08:12:00 < dongs> zyp: your stuff ships today
2015-09-25T08:12:06 < dongs> clonejst and 303RB arrived
2015-09-25T08:15:04 < aandrew> dongs: lol that's a great kickstarter
2015-09-25T08:15:15 < aandrew> let's hang two LCDs off a laptop whose display hinge can't take any additional weight
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2015-09-25T08:15:31 < sadara> red = always on (NAS, light duty server)
2015-09-25T08:16:00 < upgrdman> i think my wd nas has a green drive in it
2015-09-25T08:16:11 < upgrdman> its slow as fuck :/
2015-09-25T08:16:14 < sadara> black = fast(ish) (desktop)
2015-09-25T08:16:19 < dongs> < R2COM> WD - trash FTFY
2015-09-25T08:16:32 < upgrdman> ya. i get like 20MBps max to or from the NAS
2015-09-25T08:16:56 < sadara> green = bulk, very slow, high capictiy, very low power always on
2015-09-25T08:17:36 < upgrdman> ok ya my nas is supoer low power. <5W under load IIRC
2015-09-25T08:17:36 < sadara> I have 16 WD greens in a ZFS array, and get 2gigaBYTES per second
2015-09-25T08:17:56 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2015-09-25T08:18:01 < sadara> waid = FTW
2015-09-25T08:18:04 < dongs> i have a 50tb ntfs array and it works great
2015-09-25T08:18:13 < dongs> would never touch it wiht lunix
2015-09-25T08:18:19 < sadara> troll
2015-09-25T08:18:24 < sadara> :P
2015-09-25T08:18:25 < upgrdman> i cant even fill my 3TB NAS :/
2015-09-25T08:18:48 < sadara> R2COM, worse, it's windows pron
2015-09-25T08:19:06 < sadara> dongs, is that on wondows home server?
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2015-09-25T08:19:45 < sadara> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Home_Server#File_corruption
2015-09-25T08:20:22 < dongs> errrrrrrrr
2015-09-25T08:20:30 < dongs> trhe fuck does that have to do with running proper hardware raid
2015-09-25T08:20:34 < dongs> WHS is some wank like zfs
2015-09-25T08:20:37 < dongs> all software trash
2015-09-25T08:21:17 < sadara> my raid is bette rthan yours
2015-09-25T08:21:30 < sadara> and bigger, and faster
2015-09-25T08:21:33 < sadara> :P
2015-09-25T08:22:36 < sadara> dongs, check out "zfs send" it's pretty epic >> http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E18752_01/html/819-5461/gbchx.html
2015-09-25T08:23:08 < dongs> all i see is retarded CLI shit scrolling by
2015-09-25T08:23:15 < dongs> my server does work
2015-09-25T08:23:19 < dongs> i dont have time for dicking etc
2015-09-25T08:23:24 < dongs> which is why i run windows
2015-09-25T08:23:33 < dongs> shit works, teh end
2015-09-25T08:23:50 < sadara> <dongs> my server does work
2015-09-25T08:23:51 < sadara> lol
2015-09-25T08:24:04 < sadara> R2COM, only on weekends
2015-09-25T08:24:43 < sadara> like windows gooey
2015-09-25T08:25:32 < sadara> The best thing windows server guys say : my server does work
2015-09-25T08:25:58 < dongs> whatever duder
2015-09-25T08:26:05 < sadara> or : Have rebooted for ages (like a a week)
2015-09-25T08:26:07 < dongs> enjoy watching shit scroll by a 80x25 terminal for hours at a time
2015-09-25T08:26:36 < dongs> sadara, i had a windows xp machine with like 2500 days uptime
2015-09-25T08:26:40 < dongs> until fucking typhoon a month ago
2015-09-25T08:26:45 < dongs> that finally killed the UPS
2015-09-25T08:26:53 < sadara> dongs: the you'll love :lifehacker.com/373571/watch-star-wars-in-text-via-telnet
2015-09-25T08:27:24 < sadara> windows XP, the best windows release yet
2015-09-25T08:28:17 < sadara> dongs, do you have TTS for your IRC?
2015-09-25T08:28:36 < dongs> i'm not blind yet
2015-09-25T08:28:50 < sadara> So you just watch the text scroll by?
2015-09-25T08:28:56 < sadara> :0
2015-09-25T08:29:53 < sadara> I suppose you use the onscreen keyboard too
2015-09-25T08:30:07 < sadara> so you only have to use a mouse
2015-09-25T08:31:06 < dongs> your trolling is really not funny
2015-09-25T08:31:15 < dongs> it might have somethign to do with the fact tha you use lunix
2015-09-25T08:31:27 < sadara> Every time you hurt a windows users feeling, a kitten dies
2015-09-25T08:33:45 < sadara> .net anyone?
2015-09-25T08:34:00 < sadara> vc++ redist
2015-09-25T08:34:04 < sadara> dirext redist
2015-09-25T08:34:36 < sadara> arn't these a bunch of libs I need ton install to use a windows comp?
2015-09-25T08:35:38 < sadara> R2COM, in all seriousness, I only run windows to run run one specific CAD program
2015-09-25T08:35:46 < dongs> sucks for you
2015-09-25T08:36:01 < sadara> dongs, you have no idea how much
2015-09-25T08:36:16 < sadara> windows is a pos operating system
2015-09-25T08:36:22 < sadara> really, really shit
2015-09-25T08:36:34 < sadara> I have no idea why ppl would choose to run it
2015-09-25T08:36:39 < sadara> I'm betting ignorance
2015-09-25T08:36:41 < dongs> youre a fucking loon
2015-09-25T08:37:33 < sadara> My business has one windows computer, and guess which one has the most downtime?
2015-09-25T08:38:04 < dongs> yea im gonna have to agree with R2PRO here
2015-09-25T08:38:13 < sadara> I take it you guys pirate Windows?
2015-09-25T08:38:21 < dongs> all my software is legit
2015-09-25T08:38:35 < sadara> how much are you spending on software licences then?
2015-09-25T08:38:40 < sadara> In you whole buiness?
2015-09-25T08:39:12 < sadara> How much extra does it cost for cloud services based on windows?
2015-09-25T08:39:59 < sadara> How much are you paying in extra maintainance? extra CPU power? extra Memory?
2015-09-25T08:40:17 < dongs> not everyone wants to run their shit on a fuckin 386 bro
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2015-09-25T08:41:13 < sadara> no, some ppl want to have an 8 core with 32gb of ram for there applications, not there OS
2015-09-25T08:42:05 < dongs> prettyt funny considering lunix memory management is like nonexistent
2015-09-25T08:42:10 < dongs> shit using too much? ok lets kill it
2015-09-25T08:42:54 < sadara> yet I have 32gb of ram in this windows desktop, and I consistantly get, "Close some programs" dialog boxes
2015-09-25T08:43:10 < dongs> so do i, and i've never seen that box
2015-09-25T08:43:13 < sadara> or it just bluescreens
2015-09-25T08:43:30 < dongs> yaman.
2015-09-25T08:43:32 < sadara> that would be because you treat your computer like a princess
2015-09-25T08:43:36 < dongs> keep trolling
2015-09-25T08:43:41 < upgrdman> trolls gotta troll
2015-09-25T08:43:48 < dongs> i treat my computer as a workstation to get shit done
2015-09-25T08:43:50 < sadara> Can't hae 100 tabs open
2015-09-25T08:43:56 < dongs> which is exactly why it runs windows
2015-09-25T08:43:56 < sadara> in IE
2015-09-25T08:43:58 < dongs> i dont use  tabs
2015-09-25T08:44:04 < dongs> tabs are lunix retard invention
2015-09-25T08:44:13 < dongs> windows has a perfectly working window manager
2015-09-25T08:44:22 < dongs> i dont need each app to invent a new way to manage their windows
2015-09-25T08:44:37 < sadara> windows has a broken windows manager, that needs extra software to even get close to functional
2015-09-25T08:44:45 < dongs> thats what oyu think
2015-09-25T08:45:29 < sadara> I heard that windows is introducing multiple desktop in 10?
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2015-09-25T08:45:58 < dongs> multiple desktops was invented by lunix idiots because their shit doesnt properly support multimonitor/multiple graphcis cards
2015-09-25T08:46:12 < dongs> lol i remember in like 1999 i plugged in a random PCI video card into my desktop and hooked up 2nd monitor, done
2015-09-25T08:46:38 < dongs> in 1999 on lunix you had to buy one of like 3 supported cards for it to even try working, and never mind dragging windows across desktops etc
2015-09-25T08:47:03 < dongs> lunix is fucking aids, and anyone who isnt a fucking troll knows it.
2015-09-25T08:47:09 < sadara> I remeber in 2015 where M$ decided another linux feature was worth copying
2015-09-25T08:47:33 < sadara> In another 50 years, MS windows may be where linux is today
2015-09-25T08:47:49 < jpa-> lul, sadara must be new here
2015-09-25T08:48:03 < sadara> jpa-, not really
2015-09-25T08:48:10 < sadara> Just trolling dongs for a change
2015-09-25T08:48:32 < jpa-> dongs is untrollable
2015-09-25T08:48:34 < dongs> your concept of "trolling" seems to be "spew stupid shit"
2015-09-25T08:48:43 < dongs> if lunix is so fucking great
2015-09-25T08:48:47 < dongs> why there are no fucking lunix users?
2015-09-25T08:48:53 < dongs> why no serious software company develops any software for lunix?
2015-09-25T08:48:54 < dongs> etc etc
2015-09-25T08:49:08 < sadara> dongs, I think you have that backwards
2015-09-25T08:49:19 < sadara> No "Serious" company devs for windows
2015-09-25T08:49:22 < dongs> i'll tlel you why nobody wants to develop shit for lunix, cuz with each minor kernel version tehre's gonna be something broken and no serious company would want to waste time on supporting this kinda trash
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2015-09-25T08:49:48 < jpa-> dongs: because linux users get stuff free, no-one pays for software :)
2015-09-25T08:49:49 < sadara> dongs, I've never had windows update break something, ever....
2015-09-25T08:50:03 < dongs> sadara: me neither, how cool is that?
2015-09-25T08:50:15 < dongs> with lunix, you never know if next glic update is going to leave you with a fuckoff message at reboot
2015-09-25T08:50:16 < sadara> Tell me a "serios" company that doesn't dev for linux/unix
2015-09-25T08:50:26 < dongs> or when ext3 decides to shit itself and randomyl trash half your files
2015-09-25T08:50:27 < jpa-> sadara: microsoft.. no wait, they dev for linux
2015-09-25T08:50:42 < jpa-> maybe google? oh wait, they dev for linux also
2015-09-25T08:52:48 < sadara> Dreamworks, dassault, IBM, wait, I can't think of a single serious company that doesn't dev for posix, or support posix exclusivly
2015-09-25T08:53:41 < sadara> ext3 has a better reliablity record than FAT or NTFS
2015-09-25T08:53:50 < dongs> yeah?
2015-09-25T08:53:56 < dongs> okay, pull the plug on your lunix desktop
2015-09-25T08:53:57 < dongs> right nwo
2015-09-25T08:54:02 < dongs> see you in a bit when fsck is done.e
2015-09-25T08:54:50 < jpa-> doesn't anything have better reliability than fat :P
2015-09-25T08:55:11 < sadara> right after NTFS finnishes checking/currupting itself?
2015-09-25T08:55:23 < sadara> Or you dynamic disk array fails
2015-09-25T08:55:38 < dongs> this dumb shit, you keep bringing it up
2015-09-25T08:55:49 < dongs> who the fuck uses dynamic disks and NT software raid?
2015-09-25T08:55:59 < dongs> probly same poeple who think lunix software raid is usable ,lololol
2015-09-25T08:57:16 < sadara> see, that's where you make another mistake, md raid is useable, and in a lot of cases better than hardware raid. but your mistakeing md raid for feature compatibility with dynamic disls, that would be linux lvm
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2015-09-25T08:58:21 < dongs> lunix lvm aka retarded guid names for everything
2015-09-25T08:58:22 < aandrew> wtf is the difference between a 407 and 417?
2015-09-25T08:58:26 < aandrew> they look identical
2015-09-25T08:58:42 < dongs> isnt 1 = crypto
2015-09-25T08:58:55 < sadara> I thought that was 5/6
2015-09-25T08:59:25 < aandrew> their selection matrix doesn't show any difference
2015-09-25T08:59:39 < aandrew> nope
2015-09-25T08:59:41 < aandrew> dongs is right
2015-09-25T08:59:42 < sadara> dongs is right about crypto
2015-09-25T08:59:53 < aandrew> The STM32F417x portfolio provides from 512 Kbytes (on WLCSP90 package only) to 1 Mbyte of Flash, 192 Kbytes of SRAM and from 64 to 144 pins in packages as small as 4 x 4.2 mm.
2015-09-25T09:00:00 < dongs>  sadara> dongs is right. < just end the sentence there
2015-09-25T09:00:06 < aandrew> hah
2015-09-25T09:00:08 < dongs> and stop trying to troll me about windows.
2015-09-25T09:00:17 < sadara> but it's so easy
2015-09-25T09:00:27 < dongs> it just makes you look retarded
2015-09-25T09:00:55 < sadara> lol, It's just funny watching you try to justify your possition
2015-09-25T09:01:12 < dongs> i'm not "trying" to justify anything
2015-09-25T09:01:23 < dongs> i have facts
2015-09-25T09:01:28 < dongs> you have bullshit lunix lies
2015-09-25T09:01:36 < sadara> and no source (get it... :P)
2015-09-25T09:01:48 < sadara> ^^^ that was funny
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2015-09-25T09:11:05 < aandrew> heh
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2015-09-25T09:25:07 < PaulFertser> sadara: what would you recommend to run a typical mid- and large-sized corporate network instead of AD?
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2015-09-25T09:27:34 < sadara> LDAP
2015-09-25T09:27:45 < sadara> which is essentially what AD is
2015-09-25T09:28:31 < PaulFertser> sadara: eh, are you really sure?
2015-09-25T09:29:57 < sadara> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Directory
2015-09-25T09:30:05 < sadara> Yes
2015-09-25T09:30:56 < PaulFertser> sadara: duh man, LDAP is just one part of the AD, not the main part even I'd say. LDAP is just a specialised database one queries to get some info about computers and users belonging to a domain.
2015-09-25T09:31:00 < sadara> LDAP and  Kerberos == standard
2015-09-25T09:31:23 < sadara> LDAP is the database that serves policy
2015-09-25T09:31:46 < sadara> your either talking about policy or auth
2015-09-25T09:31:52 < PaulFertser> sadara: and how do you apply any policy to a GNU/Linux desktop?
2015-09-25T09:32:04 < sadara> PAM
2015-09-25T09:32:29 < sadara> is one example
2015-09-25T09:32:43 < sadara> How do you apply policy to your users iphones?
2015-09-25T09:33:35 < PaulFertser> sadara: what kind of policy is applicable with PAM? Ulimit for cpu time and ram consumption? Well, and disk quota? Compare that to the extensive security policies as available to a windows workstation that's joined to a domain.
2015-09-25T09:33:41 < sadara> KDE has ldap policy
2015-09-25T09:33:50 < sadara> your asking differnet questions
2015-09-25T09:34:17 < sadara> how do you allpy polict to a windows desktop? You can't, you can only apply it via an accout
2015-09-25T09:34:45 < PaulFertser> sadara: please share a link explaining KDE and LDAP policies.
2015-09-25T09:34:46 < sadara> managed desktops are a falicy in windows, short of encrypting the drive and storing the keys in AD
2015-09-25T09:36:05 < PaulFertser> sadara: of course you apply policy via an account, so what? AD provides both auth (via Kerberos, and that's a completely effortless SSO) and policy via LDAP and also phone numbers and emails for the domain users available right there in one's MUA etc etc.
2015-09-25T09:37:35 < sadara> you do understand that AD is essentially a slightly proprietary version of ldap/kerberos
2015-09-25T09:38:37 < sadara> and that you can emulate an AD server with standard openLDAP/MIT kerberos
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2015-09-25T09:39:16 < PaulFertser> sadara: man, I've just integrated an embedded GNU/Linux board into an AD domain, providing AD-based group-based SSO authorisation for the domain users of an embedded web-interface.
2015-09-25T09:39:38 < sadara> My point exactly
2015-09-25T09:39:56 < akaWolf> dongs: are you want to buy dmls?
2015-09-25T09:40:40 < PaulFertser> sadara: do you know what synergy is?
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2015-09-25T09:41:08 < sadara> Your saying that ldap+kerberos !=  AD. AD = a "standard" for use of ldap and kerberos. there is no reason for linux not to use AD (as you don't even have to have a MS AD server)
2015-09-25T09:41:41 < sadara> the same as saying windows can use HTTP/HTML, even though it's not a MS standard
2015-09-25T09:44:20 < PaulFertser> sadara: no, I'm saying that from a system administrator point of view when you need to manage a big corporate network you can just install w2k8 or whatever and get full integration right away. That's SSO for all network resources (printers, file servers, HTTP proxy etc), fine-tuned security policies, remote access to all domain machines etc etc. Of course, you can try to emulate most of this with
2015-09-25T09:44:26 < PaulFertser> a GNU/Linux server. But are you sure you'll manage? And how much extra time would be spent?
2015-09-25T09:45:20 < sadara> I'll agree that policy enforcement of linux desktops sucks
2015-09-25T09:45:38 < sadara> compared to the same on windows desktops
2015-09-25T09:45:58 < sadara> But the flip side of that is you don't really need as much enforcement
2015-09-25T09:46:16 < dongs> akaWolf: wtf is  dmls
2015-09-25T09:46:46 < PaulFertser> sadara: have you ever tried running a big corporate network?
2015-09-25T09:47:01 < sadara> lol, yes, serveral
2015-09-25T09:47:21 < akaWolf> dongs: 3d printer, which is able to print metal things
2015-09-25T09:47:32 < sadara> by big I'm talking 50 - 400 desktops
2015-09-25T09:47:47 < dongs> sadara's basement is big
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2015-09-25T09:48:47 < akaWolf> dongs: cool buiseness.
2015-09-25T09:48:50 < sadara> PaulFertser, and I discovered very quickly that life is not worth the pain
2015-09-25T09:48:52 < PaulFertser> sadara: and btw, do you know windows provides ACLs for every file and resource and that you can't possibly emulate that even for files with POSIX ACLs? Also, windows provides the same sophisticated system for auditing access to them.
2015-09-25T09:50:21 < sadara> give an example of an windows ACL feature (real world) that is not possible on linux
2015-09-25T09:51:26 < PaulFertser> sadara: not sure about real world as I'm not a sysadmin. But if you know windows ACLs you know what I'm talking about. It's just several times more sophisticated and powerful.
2015-09-25T09:52:32 < sadara> PaulFertser, not true. I'm not sure where your getting your info from? I do know windows ACLs, and the auditing framework of both windows and linux
2015-09-25T09:52:57 < sadara> as far as "fine grained" windows really has nothing on linux (selinux)
2015-09-25T09:53:49 < ds2> p
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2015-09-25T09:54:32 < PaulFertser> sadara: selinux is to restrict system calls. Well, of course one can implement any level of sophistication with selinux. But we're talking about POSIX file permissions, right?
2015-09-25T09:54:39 < sadara> windows can really only control file policies, from an account point of view. linux allows you to control file access policies similar to the windows method, but also security policies for programs, system resorces, io paths, memory, network resorces
2015-09-25T09:55:04 < sadara> No, we are comparing apples to apples
2015-09-25T09:56:14 < sadara> if you want to compare the complete windows security system, you need to compare it to the complete linux security system, that includes apparmor, selinux, and even LXC
2015-09-25T09:56:42 < PaulFertser> sadara: please show me an example of using selinux for enforcing file-level ACLs integrated in a way that makes it easy to use by a sysadmin.
2015-09-25T09:57:16 < dongs> haha
2015-09-25T09:57:17 < dongs> selunix
2015-09-25T09:57:18 < dongs> haha
2015-09-25T09:57:22 < dongs> the joke that everyone turns off
2015-09-25T09:57:23 < sadara> ok, so your comparing windows ACLs to only linux ACLs?
2015-09-25T09:57:38 < PaulFertser> sadara: also, how is it easier to manually configure kerberos, ldap, samba etc to play together nice than installing w2k and creating a domain?
2015-09-25T09:57:45 < sadara> dongs, It's enabled by default on almost all linux desktops
2015-09-25T09:57:59 < PaulFertser> sadara: well, I was comparing windows ACLs with POSIX ACLs (not sure what you mean by "linux ACLs".
2015-09-25T09:58:06 < dongs> sadara, since "lunix desktop" doesn't exist, you are probably wrong.
2015-09-25T09:58:42 < sadara> dongs, Is that like a "windows server" (/ desktop that runs server apps)
2015-09-25T09:58:42 < PaulFertser> sadara: you said I should be comparing windows ACLs with SELinux. OK, I can imagine how selinux can be used to do that and much more, but I haven't seen a nice ready-to-use integrated system that provided that facility.
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2015-09-25T09:59:28 < sadara> no, I said you should be comparing windows security to linux security, or NTFS ACLs to posix ACLs
2015-09-25T10:00:03 < sadara> not windows ACLs to linux permission bits
2015-09-25T10:00:22 < sadara> or windows security to posix ACLs
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2015-09-25T10:01:14 < sadara> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/SELinux/Tutorials/How_SELinux_controls_file_and_directory_accesses#File_access_on_Linux.2C_without_SELinux
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2015-09-25T10:01:22 < sadara> ^^ selinux ACL enforcement
2015-09-25T10:01:27 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/vXd0C5H.gifv
2015-09-25T10:01:29 < Sync> PaulFertser: yeah the run of the mill admin will die if he doesn't get AD, but I don't mind, it works well
2015-09-25T10:01:32 < dongs> haha
2015-09-25T10:01:33 < dongs> gentoo
2015-09-25T10:01:33 < dongs> wiki
2015-09-25T10:01:34 < PaulFertser> sadara: so we compare https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa374872%28VS.85%29.aspx with http://linux.die.net/man/5/acl , right?
2015-09-25T10:01:38 < dongs> sadara, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on.
2015-09-25T10:01:58 < dongs> thank god i will no longer see opensores filth pouring out of that guys chats
2015-09-25T10:03:08 < dongs> PaulFertser: don't you hate lunix fanatics
2015-09-25T10:04:10 < sadara> PaulFertser, again that is incorrect, you should be comparing windows ntfs acls with posix/linux xattrs
2015-09-25T10:04:52 < PaulFertser> dongs: I hate nothing, at some point of my life, when I was stuck in a traffic jam driving my car I realised that hatred is only harming me, not my enemies. So I stopped hating altogether. And driving cars too.
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2015-09-25T10:06:07 < PaulFertser> sadara: xattrs allow one to store any additional metadata for the files. xattrs used to store selinux labels etc. But xattrs do not have any meaning per se, just a storage mechanism for other frameworks to use.
2015-09-25T10:06:10 < sadara> I have a simalar view. I think linux has all the underlying tools to make a good enterprise desktop, but lacks the managment
2015-09-25T10:06:30 < PaulFertser> sadara: linux has no tools, it's just a kernel.
2015-09-25T10:06:41 < sadara> GNU/linux + +++
2015-09-25T10:07:12 < sadara> the colloquial linux then
2015-09-25T10:07:38 < PaulFertser> sadara: also, there's no windows ntfs acls, there're windows acls and they are used for many different resources (e.g. individual registry keys, shared memory, sockets etc) and ntfs is a filesystem that supports attaching them to filesystem objects.
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2015-09-25T10:07:54 < sadara> PaulFertser, Not true
2015-09-25T10:08:26 < PaulFertser> sadara: isn't https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa374872%28VS.85%29.aspx convincing enough?
2015-09-25T10:08:52 < sadara> PaulFertser, there are only ntfs file system ACLs, there is no way of doing file system access controll without the "NTFS ACLs"
2015-09-25T10:09:05 < sadara> can you do AC on a FAT filesystem?
2015-09-25T10:09:33 < PaulFertser> sadara: no, because FAT has no means to store windows acl objects.
2015-09-25T10:09:54 < sadara> what file systems can srote "windows ACLs"?
2015-09-25T10:10:13 < sadara> what file systems can store "Windows ACLs"?
2015-09-25T10:10:47 < PaulFertser> sadara: NTFS is one I know. But that's not the point. The point is that the same security framework, the same ACLs are used for all the resources, not just files.
2015-09-25T10:11:01 < PaulFertser> Storing something on disk is not the only important usecase.
2015-09-25T10:11:29 < sadara> how do I enforce a bw limit on a network port using an ACL?
2015-09-25T10:11:35 < sadara> sorry, Windows ACL?
2015-09-25T10:12:19 < PaulFertser> sadara: I do not think you can do that.
2015-09-25T10:13:30 < sadara> This is one of those discussions that doesn't really have an end
2015-09-25T10:14:37 < PaulFertser> sadara: have you tried managing an AD network and comparing that to managing a network where you have a GNU/Linux server that you use to provide the services? What were the advantages and disadvantages of both?
2015-09-25T10:15:20 < sadara> Windows ADS = ease of use for the general cases, but also a system lack of flecibility
2015-09-25T10:15:35 < sadara> * flexibility
2015-09-25T10:16:21 < sadara> I found that having a single AD server, and then seconday linux servers was the best comprimist (and windows desktops for the most part)
2015-09-25T10:16:35 < PaulFertser> I wonder what flexibility issues did you really face.
2015-09-25T10:17:10 < sadara> for example, distributing file locks
2015-09-25T10:17:29 < sadara> for versioning of datasheets was a pain
2015-09-25T10:18:00 < sadara> We found no suitable way to do that in a multisite environment with windows only
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2015-09-25T10:19:02 < PaulFertser> sadara: because versioning is to be done with VCSs, not file locks?
2015-09-25T10:19:23 < sadara> PaulFertser, that's great, if you want to add training
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2015-09-25T10:21:08 < sadara> this is kinda my point. In the windows world, when you can't do something, it is also -> well just buy this extra thing...
2015-09-25T10:21:18 < PaulFertser> sadara: well, how is versioning possible otherwise? And is SMBv2 not capable of file locks?
2015-09-25T10:21:42 < PaulFertser> Or just use TortoiseGit which costs nothing.
2015-09-25T10:21:48 < sadara> PaulFertser, smbv2 / CIFS can do locks, but you can't disribute them
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2015-09-25T10:22:35 < sadara> PaulFertser, I'm not talking about the up front cost of the software, you then add training, support, version updates, security audits, forced application removal etc
2015-09-25T10:23:02 < PaulFertser> sadara: (locks) I'm afraid I'm not following
2015-09-25T10:23:56 < sadara> you have two file systems, mirrored at two different sites. I want to update a file
2015-09-25T10:24:07 < sadara> in windows, how do you do this?
2015-09-25T10:24:13 < PaulFertser> sadara: mirrored how?
2015-09-25T10:24:25 < PaulFertser> And why?
2015-09-25T10:24:26 < sadara> you tell me?
2015-09-25T10:24:45 < PaulFertser> sadara: I mean I do not get the usecase yet.
2015-09-25T10:24:58 < sadara> I have 4TB of documents on each server, that need constant acces by each site
2015-09-25T10:25:09 < PaulFertser> sadara: DFS probably?
2015-09-25T10:25:57 < sadara> using DFS, if a file is edited at site 1 and 2 at the same time, a collision occures
2015-09-25T10:26:33 < sadara> so person 1 edited a file, person 2 edited the same file, and now person 3 has to merge the changes
2015-09-25T10:27:12 < PaulFertser> I'll let windows experts to answer that. dongs?
2015-09-25T10:27:20 < sadara> person 3 needs a complete copy of both files, so all of one file has to be transfered
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2015-09-25T10:28:15 < PaulFertser> To me, that sounds like some poorly organised workflow. When it comes to versioning and merging, one needs VCS. Or else you'll end up with some ad-hoc half-assed ghetto solution.
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2015-09-25T10:30:09 < sadara> our solution was to readonly files that were opened for writing at another site, just like what would happen if you were in the same site. I don't see that providing expected behaviour is a "getto" solution
2015-09-25T10:30:57 < PaulFertser> Was it truly safe from race conditions?
2015-09-25T10:31:40 < sadara> yes, a file saved at site 1 was readonly until changes were replicated to site 2, and then reopened
2015-09-25T10:32:17 < sadara> this is only 1 of hundreds of examples
2015-09-25T10:32:32 < sadara> using standard posix tools
2015-09-25T10:33:55 < sadara> the changes were replicated over an rsync connection to save bandwidth, and the locking was handled with a couple of 3 line scripts
2015-09-25T10:34:24 < sadara> this is what my point is, the "corner case" was easy to solve in linux
2015-09-25T10:37:05 < PaulFertser> dongs?
2015-09-25T10:39:06 < sadara> this is a know problem with windows DFS since the beginning btw. and micosofts responce has always been "use a third party solution". It also happens with clustered DFS systems at the same site
2015-09-25T10:39:17 < sadara> PaulFertser, Read more here: http://blogs.technet.com/b/askds/archive/2009/02/20/understanding-the-lack-of-distributed-file-locking-in-dfsr.aspx
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2015-09-25T10:41:09 < PaulFertser> sadara_afk: good point
2015-09-25T10:41:18 < PaulFertser> KreAture_: ping wrt Neato battery
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2015-09-25T10:52:37 < dongs> yawn
2015-09-25T10:53:50 < PaulFertser> dongs: the guy has a point. He solved a real-life problem without much effort with a GNU/Linux server, rsync and a bit of scripting. While Windows users still struggle, see his last link.
2015-09-25T10:54:44 < dongs> anything that involves "rsync and a bit of scripting" is a non-starter
2015-09-25T10:55:06 < PaulFertser> dongs: but it worked for him, costed nothing, stable, and the lusers are happy.
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2015-09-25T10:55:30 < dongs> im not an ITguy so i dont really give a shit
2015-09-25T10:56:15 < dongs> all i know as a user is that lunix is a joke
2015-09-25T10:57:00 < PaulFertser> dongs: with an attitude like that you wouldn't be able to troll experienced users.
2015-09-25T10:57:33 < PaulFertser> dongs: his lusers were using windows desktops, that sick file locking trick was fully transparent for them.
2015-09-25T10:57:59 < ReadError> dongs http://i.snag.gy/R4zYi.jpg
2015-09-25T10:58:02 < ReadError> ever seen that?
2015-09-25T10:58:07 < ReadError> vregs look happy
2015-09-25T10:58:54 < ReadError> just the pwm output is jacked
2015-09-25T10:59:13 < GargantuaSauce> looks like something driving high and something driving now
2015-09-25T10:59:17 < GargantuaSauce> low*
2015-09-25T10:59:45 < ReadError> yea it kinda wants to bias towards the middle
2015-09-25T11:00:44 < GargantuaSauce> this is fc->esc ?
2015-09-25T11:00:56 < dongs> k taranis back in teh box
2015-09-25T11:01:02 < ReadError> no escs hooked up
2015-09-25T11:01:03 < dongs> ReadError: not seen
2015-09-25T11:01:10 < ReadError> im going through a box of QC fails
2015-09-25T11:01:15 < PaulFertser> dongs: do you flash taranis with some "opensauce" firmware? ;)
2015-09-25T11:04:50 < Fleck> hello peeps
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2015-09-25T11:10:29 < akaWolf> mirc
2015-09-25T11:15:37 < jubatu_> Windoze is best oze.
2015-09-25T11:17:07 < akaWolf> Windows will be open source soon.
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2015-09-25T11:42:51 < Roklobsta> sun was nice.
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2015-09-25T11:59:32 < jubatu_> You mean Oracleâ„¢ OS.
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2015-09-25T12:30:34 < artag> akaWolf: Microsoft says Windows 10 will be the last version. So it will be dead soon.
2015-09-25T12:31:42 < dongs> do you think zano will releaes app today as promised
2015-09-25T12:31:49 < dongs> or they're gonna find some more  latest bugs
2015-09-25T12:35:24 < Roklobsta> dongs: yannow, shit happens.
2015-09-25T12:39:48 < akaWolf> artag: we will see
2015-09-25T12:41:02 < artag> mind, it's been a zombie for years. Might not be able to tell when it's actually dead. Certainly not by smell.
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2015-09-25T12:52:42 < PeterM> artag, i think they mean that windows 10 will be the last version, like "OS X" is the last version
2015-09-25T12:54:07 < artag> they've invented the futureproof OS ? Seems unlikely
2015-09-25T12:55:21 < dongs> zano invented futureproof OS
2015-09-25T12:55:56 < artag> awesome. when are they going to deliver it ? :p
2015-09-25T12:56:22 < PeterM> oh, it will still be windows 10, windows 10.5, windows 10.1, windows 10.1.5
2015-09-25T12:56:33 < artag> I guess it's future-proof if you never ship it ..
2015-09-25T12:57:19 < PeterM> i don't think you understand what i mean
2015-09-25T12:58:09 < artag> Oh, I do. I'm just being cynical about their maketing cynicism
2015-09-25T12:58:35 < artag> *marketing
2015-09-25T13:00:04 < artag> did Apple ever announce that OSX was the last one ? Seems a bit shortsighted, espcially if MS stick with the arabic numbering. Precludes them from 'turning it up to 11'.
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2015-09-25T13:01:18 < PeterM> i dont think so, but you can hardly make an OS X 11.0, because then it wouldn't be OS X, it would be OS XI
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2015-09-25T13:02:47 < artag> sorry, I meant MS couldn't turn 10 up to 11. And can't outnumber apple by 10->11. all of which seems a bit restrictive for a numbering scheme that lost all sense of reality at about 3.1
2015-09-25T13:03:21 < artag> whereas Apple went from OS 9 to OS X and afaik didn't preclude anything else
2015-09-25T13:05:00 < artag> the idea of 10 being 'the last windows' is such obvious bullshit that I choose to interpret it as 'end of life'
2015-09-25T13:05:23 < artag> which at least has the advantage of mocking them
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2015-09-25T13:18:06 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArgsT2UBOeA those japs
2015-09-25T13:20:37 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhFLgiRjTio wtf
2015-09-25T13:20:57 < dongs> ;lol
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2015-09-25T14:54:43 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/ZyKxBmQ.jpg this is how i ride
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2015-09-25T15:27:43 < tasslehoff> I've started testing the SPI bootloader I asked about some time ago. Seems I have contact with the bootloader, but it just keeps sending me the SYNC byte.
2015-09-25T15:28:21 < tasslehoff> Any open source bootloader out there that supports SPI?
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2015-09-25T15:39:46 < Ecco> Hmm, building my firmware with -Os "breaks" the LCD panel
2015-09-25T15:39:53 < Ecco> (driver via DMA'ed SPI)
2015-09-25T15:40:00 < Ecco> Is there an easy way to debug this?
2015-09-25T15:43:34 < Laurenceb> use of volatile perhaps?
2015-09-25T15:43:41 < Ecco> yeah that's probably the root cause
2015-09-25T15:43:48 < Ecco> But I've lots of code
2015-09-25T15:43:49 < Ecco> I know
2015-09-25T15:43:55 < Ecco> I'm going to build parts of my code with Os
2015-09-25T15:43:58 < Ecco> and parts with O0
2015-09-25T15:44:12 < Ecco> and bissect which file(s) fuck things up when built w/ 0s
2015-09-25T15:44:14 < Ecco> Os
2015-09-25T15:46:24 < Ecco> yay
2015-09-25T15:46:25 < Ecco> it works
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2015-09-25T15:55:29 < Ecco> weird
2015-09-25T15:55:42 < Ecco> apparently there are *two* files that need to be built with Os for the bug to appear
2015-09-25T15:55:59 < Ecco> if any of them is built without any "-O" option, the LCD panel works just fine
2015-09-25T15:59:57 < karlp> you're probably relying on undefined behaviour somewhere, you'll find it :)
2015-09-25T16:05:01 < Ecco> Hmm
2015-09-25T16:05:06 < Ecco> ok, I have a possible case
2015-09-25T16:05:32 < Ecco> could "for (int i=0;i<1000;i++){}" be removed entierly by the compiler?
2015-09-25T16:07:50 < dongs> yes
2015-09-25T16:07:57 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-25T16:08:07 < dongs> for (volatile int... ) might not be.
2015-09-25T16:08:09 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-25T16:08:38 < Ecco> indeed that fixed it!
2015-09-25T16:08:50 < Ecco> Seems a bit fragile though
2015-09-25T16:10:39 < dongs> why are you using loops to delay
2015-09-25T16:11:49 < Ecco> I know…
2015-09-25T16:12:00 < Ecco> I just haven't taken the time to write a proper usleep() function just yet
2015-09-25T16:13:04 < Ecco> I might as well write one now
2015-09-25T16:13:09 < Ecco> How should I do it?
2015-09-25T16:13:27 < Getty> ha ha.... first press about ahmed being a planned scam
2015-09-25T16:14:36 < ReadError> where?
2015-09-25T16:15:42 < dongs> Ecco: systick / cycle counter
2015-09-25T16:16:07 < Ecco> thanks dongs
2015-09-25T16:17:08 < Ecco> ok wait I didn't get it
2015-09-25T16:17:24 < Ecco> so SysTick can generate an interrupt at a given frequency
2015-09-25T16:17:34 < Ecco> what about the cycle counter? How should I use it?
2015-09-25T16:19:03 < karlp> Getty: what?
2015-09-25T16:19:40 < Getty> karlp: some people (not right wing nutheads) say clock might be just a taken out clock and not actually be constructed at all
2015-09-25T16:20:11 < Getty> i dont know if that is so genius that its true, or if that is so unbelievable that its for sure false ;)
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2015-09-25T16:24:25 < ReadError> Getty yea did you see the link posted here a week back?
2015-09-25T16:24:33 < ReadError> it was an alarm clock put in a pencil box
2015-09-25T16:24:37 < Getty> oh no, sorry :)
2015-09-25T16:24:53 < Getty> really a week ago? wow i get old
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2015-09-25T16:27:14 < ReadError> http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/
2015-09-25T16:30:00 < englishman> holy shit packed pixels hasnt delivered yet???
2015-09-25T16:30:09 < Getty> yeah sorry, just reached my news stream today.... its awkward it wasnt already on reddit front
2015-09-25T16:32:07 < ReadError> oh i thought you meant the big news got wind
2015-09-25T16:32:10 < ReadError> like CNN etc
2015-09-25T16:33:08 < Getty> well its in the 3/4 press, didnt saw it on the big flow yet
2015-09-25T16:33:15 < Getty> but it should for sure be there....
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2015-09-25T16:33:46 < Getty> what i REALLY want to hear now is a statement of the teacher, what the specific words he said were
2015-09-25T16:34:14 < Getty> cause that would be now hilarious if there was REALLY a REASON for her to believe that its a bomb
2015-09-25T16:34:24 < Getty> cause he liked pushed it on the table
2015-09-25T16:34:44 < ReadError> funny he tried to play it off as an invention
2015-09-25T16:35:12 < Getty> i didnt heard his words, all articles were always talking in his name.... if you understand
2015-09-25T16:35:20 < Getty> we might be on a huge hoax wave here!
2015-09-25T16:38:14 < ReadError> plus like, why would you put the display inside the box
2015-09-25T16:38:20 < ReadError> wtf is the point in that
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2015-09-25T16:44:13 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/OHQW62Y.jpg
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2015-09-25T16:45:59 < Getty> readerror: yeah thats the question here... i mean ahmed could be so ridiciulous stupid that he thinks he did something valueablue
2015-09-25T16:46:08 < Getty> readerror: we still talk about texas....
2015-09-25T16:46:34 < Getty> readerror: but it was really a very good planned out scam, but seriously, who really plans a scam that way with a bomb alarm as part of the plan?
2015-09-25T16:46:52 < Laurenceb> balloon boy 2.0
2015-09-25T16:48:00 < dongs> http://www.constellation7.org/Constellation-Seven/Josiah/Index.htm
2015-09-25T16:48:38 < Laurenceb> expecting templeOD
2015-09-25T16:48:40 < Laurenceb> *OS
2015-09-25T16:48:58 < Laurenceb> wtf that broke my browser
2015-09-25T16:50:13 < Laurenceb> rage
2015-09-25T16:50:18 < dongs> ha ha
2015-09-25T16:50:22 < ReadError> lack of a real OS
2015-09-25T16:50:22 < dongs> how many tabs with "work" did you lose
2015-09-25T16:50:33 < Laurenceb> 378
2015-09-25T16:50:37 < ReadError> many /r/cringe post have been closed
2015-09-25T16:51:32 < Laurenceb> noooo
2015-09-25T16:51:40 < Laurenceb> restarted and its still there
2015-09-25T16:55:45 < Laurenceb> finally a gopro that runs
2015-09-25T16:55:46 < Laurenceb> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNagvpeFyEPAZ-9bkMGM2nd1ctUdYQl-mslKyYtTF41KPpXqK9gTDRKdAhdYMaLxQ?key=OFVvdW5ldlN1T2pZUC1tQWZqdjNLbXdVM1Rpa2xB
2015-09-25T16:56:12 < dongs> your battery is empty
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2015-09-25T17:14:50 < dongs> haha
2015-09-25T17:14:54 < dongs> zano is shipping preorders
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2015-09-25T17:14:57 < dongs> instead of backers
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2015-09-25T17:25:41 < dongs> Thank you. It is important to me that everyone can do with Zano what we have been doing, in that effort we are also releasing Zano Flight School. A series of simple tutorials to help first time drone operators start off with the basics and grow in the confidence and ability along with Zano as over time, Zano will get smarter and better as we release software updates.
2015-09-25T17:25:48 < dongs> play store:
2015-09-25T17:25:48 < dongs> GPS, Sonar, infrareds, gyroscopes, accelerometers and barometric air pressure sensors all combine to give ZANO unparalleled flying intelligence. Giving you the freedom to capture fantastic aerial photos and videos without any flight training at all.
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2015-09-25T17:26:34 < dongs> Honestly, we all wanted to be further along but it is a good fun product right now and we re completely committed to improving it in every single way. One of the first updates is going to be video where recording on SD card is a priority. We will publish a priority list soon showing what we are working on and expected release dates for each piece of functionality.
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2015-09-25T17:32:14 < dongs> Going for a run? Bike Ride? Or just want to capture some amazing aerial footage whilst on the move, without flying ZANO? No Problem! When outdoors, simply click .follow me. and ZANO will hold it.s distance and angle and .follow you" whilst capturing HD video!*
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2015-09-25T17:33:10 < dongs> Capture stunning 480p, 720p and 1080p footage and 5 megapixel stills with ZANOs onboard HD video camera.
2015-09-25T17:34:54 < emeryth> btw does it have any kind of autonomous flight right now?
2015-09-25T17:35:04 < dongs> no
2015-09-25T17:35:36 < zyp> what about autonomous crashing?
2015-09-25T17:35:59 < dongs> they have auto-crashing
2015-09-25T17:36:03 < dongs> and lots of failsafes.
2015-09-25T17:36:05 < emeryth> nice
2015-09-25T17:36:25 < dongs> ZANO is the world.s most sophisticated nano drone experience. The ultimate smart device accessory, ZANO is your own personal flying robot that can avoid obstacles, fly autonomously and follow you! All whilst capturing 5 megapixel HD videos and photos!
2015-09-25T17:36:30 < dongs> who wrote this tripe
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2015-09-25T17:42:13 < Laurenceb> sophisticated
2015-09-25T17:42:16 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-09-25T17:42:25 < Laurenceb> 5megapixel
2015-09-25T17:42:28 < Laurenceb> double lo9l
2015-09-25T17:42:34 < dongs> 5 megadixel
2015-09-25T17:43:04 < Laurenceb> how is it going to hold angle
2015-09-25T17:44:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/PqRSZEY.gifv
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2015-09-25T18:48:21 < Tectu> hi
2015-09-25T18:48:35 < mrtumnus> hello
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2015-09-25T18:50:12 < mrtumnus> anyone working on STM32 project(s)?
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2015-09-25T18:51:45 < PaulFertser> mrtumnus: no, this chan is for trolling only, get lost.
2015-09-25T18:52:03 < mrtumnus> lol
2015-09-25T18:52:15 < DanteA> :)
2015-09-25T18:52:19 < mrtumnus> is the openocd channel the same way ;)
2015-09-25T18:52:32 < PaulFertser> mrtumnus: no, and beware, I'm an op there.
2015-09-25T18:52:51 < mrtumnus> I thought you might be
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2015-09-25T19:01:20 < Steffann> Such lies mr PaulFertser :(
2015-09-25T19:01:59 < Steffann> But i can help you :P
2015-09-25T19:04:18 < PaulFertser> Steffann: it's partially true for me, I'm not working on any stm32 projects :/
2015-09-25T19:05:35 < Steffann>  Heh
2015-09-25T19:06:21 < Tectu> mrtumnus, and beware, Steffann is op here
2015-09-25T19:07:05 < Steffann> Im not the only one
2015-09-25T19:07:09 < mrtumnus> lol, so many warnings
2015-09-25T19:07:26  * mrtumnus shakes in his boots
2015-09-25T19:08:15 < Tectu> you are doing boots?
2015-09-25T19:08:19 < Tectu> don´t do boots
2015-09-25T19:08:35 < mrtumnus> too warm for boots right now
2015-09-25T19:08:49 < mrtumnus> sandals are where it's at
2015-09-25T19:09:11 < Tectu> don´t do that either :/
2015-09-25T19:09:44 < mrtumnus> what, do you have a dress code?
2015-09-25T19:10:33 < Tectu> of course.
2015-09-25T19:11:43 < Steffann> Man cave clothes mrtumnus
2015-09-25T19:11:52 < Steffann> Could be your birth suite
2015-09-25T19:13:08 < mrtumnus> that would be something
2015-09-25T19:13:13 < mrtumnus> only when i work from home
2015-09-25T19:17:55 < Sync> dongs: they will obv be DQ'd from the stage
2015-09-25T19:21:17 < kakimir> Sync: It would be totally gay to drop auxlary frame down
2015-09-25T19:21:46 < kakimir> when you compress and turn the soring
2015-09-25T19:21:52 < kakimir> spring
2015-09-25T19:22:00 < kakimir> dones
2015-09-25T19:22:15 < ReadError> mrtumnus = superguest?
2015-09-25T19:22:31 < Sync> kakimir: no need
2015-09-25T19:22:32 < ReadError> hmm then again hes only used 1 emoticon
2015-09-25T19:22:52 < Sync> you open the upper control arm balljoint
2015-09-25T19:22:59 < Sync> and then unscrew the holder
2015-09-25T19:23:02 < mrtumnus> nope, first time on here
2015-09-25T19:23:12 < mrtumnus> (new to IRC as well)
2015-09-25T19:23:35 < kakimir> no you dont even to that Sync no way
2015-09-25T19:24:13 < kakimir> how they do this in the shop they cut old bolt with pneymatic cutter
2015-09-25T19:24:26 < kakimir> turn the spring
2015-09-25T19:24:31 < kakimir> and dones
2015-09-25T19:24:45 < Sync> that's the cheap and shitty way
2015-09-25T19:25:03 < kakimir> you just defined car shop
2015-09-25T19:25:19 < Sync> erwin tells you to do it the way I said
2015-09-25T19:25:37 < kakimir> erwin who?
2015-09-25T19:27:15 < Sync> Elektronische Reparatur und Werkstatt Information
2015-09-25T19:34:48 < Laurenceb> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2102953400/mc-devvo-yorkshire-till-i-die-official-music-video
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2015-09-25T21:08:55 < Ecco> Guys, I'd like to get an estimate on the price of a PCB in reasonable volumes in China
2015-09-25T21:09:29 < Ecco> I'm looking for something very standard : 2 layers, decent precision (the most accurate thing I need is UFQFN48 package)
2015-09-25T21:09:39 < Ecco> quite large (~10x10cm overall)
2015-09-25T21:09:49 < Ecco> do you know how I could get an estimate for this?
2015-09-25T21:10:06 < Ecco> (I'm interested in the price for like 1000 items)
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2015-09-25T21:35:09 < mrtumnus> I have no first-hand experience, but a quick Google search brought up this (3 yrs old):
2015-09-25T21:35:10 < mrtumnus> http://www.hax.co/blog/2012/11/13/the-mystical-art-of-cost-estimation/
2015-09-25T21:36:36 < mrtumnus> Also, this:  http://pcbshopper.com/
2015-09-25T21:37:36 < mrtumnus> Are you asking for fab + assembly?
2015-09-25T21:54:23 < ds2> 1000 piece is low volume
2015-09-25T21:55:37 < ds2> less then 100 panels
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2015-09-25T22:45:39 < Ecco> Ok :)
2015-09-25T22:45:51 < Ecco> Thanks for the link mrtumnus
2015-09-25T22:45:59 < Ecco> So apparently it should be below 1€
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2015-09-25T23:05:23 < Sync> meh
2015-09-25T23:05:33 < Sync> why are there no proper clamping diode arrays
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2015-09-25T23:19:01 < upgrdman_> what is "proper"
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2015-09-25T23:28:30 < Steffanx> "It's taking longer than usual, but it should be ready soon" lol, windows 10 installer
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2015-09-25T23:35:16 < upgrdman_> anyone know of a wire organizer (shaft to hold spools of wire) that is decently priced? was tempted to make one with a curtain rod + brackets but the boss offered to buy some if decently priced.
2015-09-25T23:35:59 < GargantuaSauce> jeez just a length of dowel
2015-09-25T23:39:02 < upgrdman_> well but i mean the brackets to hold it too. was tempted to bolt some conduit between legs of a workbench, but it would be nice if it was portable instead
2015-09-25T23:39:34 < upgrdman_> like two triangle that hold the shaft, so you can pick it up and move it wherever you need
2015-09-25T23:39:39 < GargantuaSauce> sounds like you should go to the hardware store with a ten dollar bill
2015-09-25T23:39:45 < upgrdman_> lol k
2015-09-25T23:40:09 < GargantuaSauce> curtain rod holders and dowel and a chunk of wood
2015-09-25T23:40:43 < GargantuaSauce> arbitrary length fitting your workspace perfectly
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2015-09-25T23:47:36 < karlp> anyone recommend a free cad for making a floor plan / 3d model of an appartment?
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2015-09-25T23:48:03 < karlp> sketchup decent enough to export to other things? or are there free versions of other things worth looking at?
2015-09-25T23:48:57 < karlp> 2d's probably enough really, but thought it might be nice to make it real 3d?
2015-09-25T23:49:19 < GargantuaSauce> sketchup is probably the best choice for really halfassed cad
2015-09-25T23:51:43 < karlp> sketchup pro/make what, their comparison page is just blank in all columns,
2015-09-25T23:53:28 < karlp> hrm, autodesk ahs a pile of free versions too.
2015-09-25T23:53:52 < karlp> windows, mac, and ipad versions.
2015-09-25T23:53:54 < karlp> thansk autodesk
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2015-09-26T00:43:35 < Laurenceb__> whats the smallest stm32?
2015-09-26T00:44:30 < Laurenceb__> physical size wise
2015-09-26T00:45:27 < GargantuaSauce> there's that f030 in tssop-20 or something
2015-09-26T00:46:11 < GargantuaSauce> oh there's newer ones in smaller packages
2015-09-26T00:46:16 < aadamson> the bgas are probably the smallest
2015-09-26T00:46:21 < aadamson> 2.1 x 2.1mm
2015-09-26T00:46:27 < Laurenceb__> ah thats nice
2015-09-26T00:46:38 < Laurenceb__> I need < 3.5mm x 3.5mm
2015-09-26T00:46:51 < aadamson> depends on the family/features you want I would presume
2015-09-26T00:47:20 < Laurenceb__> I only need half decent sleep mode and spi with a couple of gpio
2015-09-26T00:47:42 < Laurenceb__> just a really simple spi controlling application
2015-09-26T00:47:46 < aadamson> yeah, probably the F0's then in that bga package
2015-09-26T00:48:02 < Laurenceb__> ok
2015-09-26T00:48:11 < aadamson> or the regular f0's are in 5x5 at 32 pins but that might be larger than you want
2015-09-26T00:48:24 < Laurenceb__> yeah I might just fit 4x4mm
2015-09-26T00:48:28 < Laurenceb__> but prefer smaller
2015-09-26T00:48:31 < aadamson> L0's too probably
2015-09-26T00:48:51 < GargantuaSauce> WLCSP36 2.6x2.7 mm
2015-09-26T00:48:56 < GargantuaSauce> f051
2015-09-26T00:48:57 < aadamson> but they are a RPITA to program as you have to deal with CUBE :)
2015-09-26T00:49:43 < aadamson> there is also a 4x4 QFN (but pin size will increase the size) also in the F0's
2015-09-26T00:50:48 < Laurenceb__> yeah I'd fit QFN if it wasnt for the pads
2015-09-26T00:51:06 < Laurenceb__> I have a pcb that needs to fit flush with a plastic housing
2015-09-26T00:51:13 < Laurenceb__> and the solder will get in the way
2015-09-26T00:51:27 < Laurenceb__> unless i dremel the housing on the whole production run lol
2015-09-26T00:51:53 < aadamson> oh, sorry, I did say QFN, but was thinking QFP... duh
2015-09-26T00:52:00 < aadamson> there is a 4x4 qfn - f038x
2015-09-26T00:52:07 < aadamson> no pins :)
2015-09-26T00:52:38 < GargantuaSauce> it looks like the chipscale ones arent out yet
2015-09-26T00:52:41 < aadamson> 031, 038, 042, 048
2015-09-26T00:53:22 < Laurenceb__> maybe I'll have to use avr
2015-09-26T00:53:23 < Laurenceb__> ewww
2015-09-26T00:53:23 < aadamson> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1574?sc=stm32f0 - just go there and pick what you want
2015-09-26T00:54:09 < aadamson> avr = arduino = low tech :)...
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2015-09-26T00:55:04 < Laurenceb__> yeah no 25pin bga in stock that i can find
2015-09-26T00:58:31 < Laurenceb__> back to avr then :-/
2015-09-26T00:58:49 < aadamson> check octopart if you didn't, but I suspect you are right, st has a bunch of new parts out that aren't avail yet
2015-09-26T00:58:53 < aadamson> might also look at nxp
2015-09-26T00:59:35 < aadamson> they have a pretty small m0+ in the 800 line I think
2015-09-26T01:01:56 < aadamson> at least it's still an ARM... freescale also has some small ones
2015-09-26T01:09:10 < Laurenceb__> http://de.farnell.com/atmel/attiny44a-mmh/mcu-8bit-avr-4k-flash-5-5v-20vqfn/dp/1748544
2015-09-26T01:09:17 < Laurenceb__> why did i get de
2015-09-26T01:09:24 < Laurenceb__> anyway thats suitable
2015-09-26T01:11:40 < upgrdman_> what are those things on the pads of the QFN? solder paste?
2015-09-26T01:11:48 < upgrdman_> in the pic on farnell
2015-09-26T01:19:24 < englishman> umlauts, its german farnell
2015-09-26T01:21:16 < Laurenceb__> heh
2015-09-26T01:21:33 < englishman> Laurenceb__: there are like 2.1x2.1mm wlcsp
2015-09-26T01:21:43 < englishman> o already answered :/
2015-09-26T01:22:44 < Laurenceb__> there is like 0 stock :P
2015-09-26T01:23:15  * Laurenceb__ returns to raging at his broken flexipcb
2015-09-26T01:23:39 < Laurenceb__> anyone know anywhere that does flexi with FR4 reinforcement?
2015-09-26T01:23:52 < Laurenceb__> I'm using pcbpool but the reinforcement sucks
2015-09-26T01:25:05 < englishman> im sure theres a bunch of dudes prototyping with wlcsp from digikey thats why thers no stock
2015-09-26T01:25:34 < Laurenceb__> digikey did have some stock?
2015-09-26T01:26:03 < Laurenceb__> I like the slcsp 25 pinout, the internal pins can be left unused
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2015-09-26T01:29:30 < Laurenceb__> http://filebin.ca/2Gub5GtQmOHa/Flexi_PCB.pptx
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2015-09-26T01:32:48 < Laurenceb__> design consultants at work
2015-09-26T01:33:25 < Laurenceb__> magic cable to pcb transition
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2015-09-26T02:34:05 < Laurenceb__>  Disturbing findings in a new UN report show that 73pc of women surveyed had been at least exposed to some form of online violence
2015-09-26T02:34:06 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2015-09-26T02:38:11 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/6P6jYTi.jpg
2015-09-26T02:42:05 < mtbg> online violence?
2015-09-26T02:42:24 < mtbg> did someone online made them forcefully do something they were not willing to do/
2015-09-26T02:43:58 < upgrdman> maybe goatse qualifies
2015-09-26T02:44:02 < upgrdman> or getting rickrolled
2015-09-26T02:47:50 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-09-26T02:48:02 < Laurenceb__> any encounter with dongs
2015-09-26T02:48:03 < zyp> or just talking with Laurenceb__
2015-09-26T02:48:18 < Laurenceb__> yup
2015-09-26T02:50:15 < zyp> oh god, Laurenceb__ replied to me, I feel so offended and violated now!
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2015-09-26T02:54:24 < Laurenceb__> follow this sign  https://media.pitchup.co.uk/uploads/secret_nuclear_bunker.jpg
2015-09-26T02:55:18 < mtbg> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada_3301
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2015-09-26T03:51:52 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/efDmN7n.png
2015-09-26T03:54:45 < mtbg> is 2015 officially the year where everybody became offended?
2015-09-26T03:54:49 < mtbg> when
2015-09-26T03:55:01 < jadew> I think that was 2014
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2015-09-26T04:08:05 < upgrdman> :)  http://imgur.com/9lZEBXC
2015-09-26T04:19:14 < GargantuaSauce> bros before pros
2015-09-26T04:22:49 < ReadError> CATLYN IS A HERO
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2015-09-26T04:24:13 < PeterM> what a cat line?
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2015-09-26T04:27:22 < PeterM> or that
2015-09-26T04:27:48 < ReadError> http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-caitlyn-jenner-can-legally-change-name-l-a-judge-rules-20150925-story.html
2015-09-26T04:29:58 < PeterM> why
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2015-09-26T04:32:08 < jadew> probably a dude
2015-09-26T04:33:24 < jadew> there we go
2015-09-26T04:33:27 < jadew> first paragraph
2015-09-26T04:33:29 < jadew> name and gender
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2015-09-26T04:34:46 < PeterM> why is it even mentioned here though? it nolonger has mention of dicks even...
2015-09-26T04:35:39 < ReadError> <mtbg> is 2015 officially the year where everybody became offended?
2015-09-26T04:35:44 < ReadError> 2015 is year of the trans
2015-09-26T04:37:31 < PeterM> 1994, the year of "mind your own bussiness and fuck off before i get my xyz"
2015-09-26T04:38:10 < jadew> I wonder what they did in ancient times, when cutting your dick off was not an option
2015-09-26T04:38:41 < PeterM> community probbaly just stoned thrm then threw them in the river
2015-09-26T04:42:49 < jadew> fun times
2015-09-26T04:44:14 < PeterM> i think the 2010~ approach was best "do whatever you want, just shut the fuck up about it"
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2015-09-26T04:44:48 < jadew> I don't care either way
2015-09-26T04:48:36 < Sync> upgrdman: clamping against gnd and v+
2015-09-26T04:54:16 < upgrdman> well that was a late responce :)
2015-09-26T04:54:52 < upgrdman> do you want a bunch of diode in a package, or pin's common'd together?
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2015-09-26T05:07:18 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-26T05:07:27 < upgrdman> i was surprised that its such a big deal here in the usa.
2015-09-26T05:07:38 < upgrdman> few people i know are religious.
2015-09-26T05:07:52 < upgrdman> guess i dont hang around too many idiots
2015-09-26T05:07:53 < jadew> which one?
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2015-09-26T05:18:49 < jadew> http://imgur.com/gallery/GH9itqC
2015-09-26T05:20:03 < jadew> I have nothing against fucking them, but it would feel better if they were fed, clean and vaccinated
2015-09-26T05:20:32 < ReadError> hmm
2015-09-26T05:21:03 < ReadError> why doesnt ST do any UFQFPN28's with eeprom
2015-09-26T05:42:20 < ds2> can you fit a quartz window on a ufqfpn28?
2015-09-26T05:42:26 < ds2> n/m EEprom
2015-09-26T05:43:51 < jadew> I think my neighbours are banging
2015-09-26T05:43:59 < jadew> but it's a very weird hour
2015-09-26T05:44:06 < jadew> 5:40 am
2015-09-26T05:44:19 < jadew> nvm, it's friday, makes sense
2015-09-26T05:44:26 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-26T05:45:05 < upgrdman> jadew, i imagine it goes like this  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93AJaObdrgY
2015-09-26T05:45:43 < jadew> upgrdman, that's gonna make for a good ringtone
2015-09-26T05:45:56 < upgrdman> yes, yes it will
2015-09-26T05:48:27 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/owTVsne.gif
2015-09-26T05:48:33 < jadew> imgur is great
2015-09-26T05:49:05 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-26T06:00:00 < jadew> I think I'm gonna get a new video card
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2015-09-26T06:00:20 < jadew> the new nvidia drivers aren't working with my oldest of the two video cards
2015-09-26T06:00:37 < jadew> and I can't get the old version to work under linux
2015-09-26T06:08:24 < PeterM> jadew https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD88000E2F4FD1130
2015-09-26T06:09:23 < jadew> what's that?
2015-09-26T06:10:33 < PeterM> watch the first one
2015-09-26T06:16:16 < jadew> I was watching the first in the playlist
2015-09-26T06:16:21 < jadew> watching the first episode makes sense
2015-09-26T06:17:10 < jadew> very good idea, I used to live next to a prostitue, I heard a lot of that!
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2015-09-26T06:40:49 < jadew> http://imgur.com/gallery/cJ2N76I
2015-09-26T06:41:05 < jadew> thrid comment is great
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2015-09-26T06:48:03 < upgrdman> PeterM, re: my sepic with high-side fet... i seem to recall you offering some advise on how to gate the fet to act like a diode? i can't find my notes :/
2015-09-26T06:48:38 < jadew> you turn it off
2015-09-26T06:50:01 < jadew> http://yourduino.com/docs/RFP30N06LE-2.jpg
2015-09-26T06:50:24 < jadew> unless that's not what you guys are talking about
2015-09-26T06:50:40 < jadew> I'm off to bed anyway, bye
2015-09-26T06:56:15 < upgrdman> ya im trying to use a nmos for high side.
2015-09-26T06:58:07 < PeterM> upgrdman, yeah, you put a zero crossing detector on the end of the output inductor so when the coupled charge stops flowing it turns off before it reverses ( from the output caps back down to ground)
2015-09-26T06:59:20 < upgrdman> how would i made a zero crossing detector? op amp as comparator?
2015-09-26T07:01:03 < PeterM> you could just do a shitty one with series resistor, clamping diode and a fast gpio, and detect at the gpio low threshold
2015-09-26T07:01:28 < PeterM> interrupt even
2015-09-26T07:02:24 < upgrdman> series resistor as high-side current shunt?
2015-09-26T07:02:34 < PeterM> no, series resistor to the io
2015-09-26T07:02:36 < ReadError> is there no way to edit shortcut keys in altium?
2015-09-26T07:02:48 < PeterM> readerror there is
2015-09-26T07:03:24 < ReadError> I need to remap the numpad stuff since I dont have one, but customerizer doesnt have those options listed
2015-09-26T07:03:37 < PeterM> 2 sec
2015-09-26T07:03:43 < upgrdman> PeterM, im confused. any chance you feel like drawing a shitty ms paint diagram?
2015-09-26T07:07:08 < PeterM> between the inductor and the fet, put like a 100k resistor to an IO, and then on hte IO put a low vf signal diode to clamp it to -0.4v~, and another to clamp it to ~3.7v, when the input is high, the input is high, when it goes negative the inpout is low?
2015-09-26T07:08:30 < upgrdman> hmm ok. i think i understand.
2015-09-26T07:22:20 < ReadError> gdamnit ;(
2015-09-26T07:22:25 < ReadError> apparently it requires a numpad
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2015-09-26T07:38:08 < upgrdman> PeterM, been thinging about that zero crossing detector. as soon as the high-side fet gets turned on, that 100k resistor will see Vout. so it will zero cross back to zero until the output cap is fully drained.
2015-09-26T07:38:32 < upgrdman> *so it will never cross back to zero
2015-09-26T07:47:38 < PeterM> this is true
2015-09-26T07:47:53 < PeterM> i will ponder some more
2015-09-26T07:48:16 < upgrdman> much appreciated.
2015-09-26T07:48:38 < upgrdman> the only think i can thing of is a current shunt + high side current sense amp... but that seems way overkill.
2015-09-26T07:48:49 < PeterM> indeed
2015-09-26T07:53:34 < upgrdman> dongs, R2COM: http://theballreport.com/meth-addled-man-shoots-himself-in-the-scrotum/
2015-09-26T07:53:45 < upgrdman> dont worry, no pix
2015-09-26T07:55:48 < PeterM> upgrdman, that seems to be the only way to do it reliably
2015-09-26T07:56:08 < upgrdman> :(
2015-09-26T07:56:16 < upgrdman> ok time a new project
2015-09-26T07:56:44 < upgrdman> i should redo my segway robot and do it moar better
2015-09-26T07:57:09 < PeterM> i think yo ucould do it bodge and put a diode in parallel to the fet (like you should anyway) and then tunr the fet off before the current drops too much, so when the fet turns off the diode handles it until it drops to 0
2015-09-26T07:57:58 < upgrdman> ya but fuck it. the sepic is no longer fun ;(
2015-09-26T07:58:18 < upgrdman> but i did learn a bit, so im happy.
2015-09-26T07:59:08 < upgrdman> wtf  http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__63285__TONE_SSPS_105_Heavy_Duty_High_Torque_Type_380kg_cm_Professional_Servo_US_Warehouse_.html
2015-09-26T08:02:30 < PeterM> upgrdman, maybe try a 4 switch buck-boost next?
2015-09-26T08:03:10 < upgrdman> i was tempted to try a fordward converter
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2015-09-26T08:03:14 < upgrdman> but not any time soon.
2015-09-26T08:03:32 < upgrdman> or a flyback
2015-09-26T08:03:34 < PeterM> if yu want an isolated supply, you should try a push-pull, they're pretty easy
2015-09-26T08:03:54 < PeterM> more parts but they keep themselves under cdontrol
2015-09-26T08:04:13 < upgrdman> PeterM, oh ya, that's why the other coil and diode are needed huh?
2015-09-26T08:06:42 < upgrdman> PeterM, iirc forward converters are common in atx psus? they often ground the outputs to mains earth, so why did they pick that topology?
2015-09-26T08:08:11 < PeterM> forward converters are efficient in silicone, in copper and magnetics
2015-09-26T08:08:43 < PeterM> the output is electrically isolated from the input too which is very important
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2015-09-26T08:10:08 < upgrdman> but atx psus connect all grounds to earth, no?
2015-09-26T08:10:20 < PeterM> yeah, but it is still important
2015-09-26T08:10:53 < upgrdman> if using a common ground, why?
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2015-09-26T08:14:09 < PeterM> if you have a non isolated supply and you use a buck topology or something, if the main switch gets stuck closed you get mains voltage on hte output, also, when you rectify the mains, even though the voltage on the filter cap is at 280v or 333v or whatever, that varies in polarity to earth ground depending on what side of the diode bridge is turned on
2015-09-26T08:14:48 < PeterM> that meanas you'd need to then refrence your computers case to the capacitor - not earth ground
2015-09-26T08:15:21 < PeterM> and since the cap is directly connected to the diode bridge, you get mains voltage on your case
2015-09-26T08:16:00 < PeterM> if you use an isolated supply it is always mains earth + 12v or whatever
2015-09-26T08:20:23 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-09-26T08:21:10 < PeterM> its a bit unintuitive compared to how you are taught in school etc
2015-09-26T08:21:39 < upgrdman> my formal training is in comp sci, i just do ee for fun and work :)
2015-09-26T08:22:08 < upgrdman> but ee work stuff is mostly just firmware and test software
2015-09-26T08:22:46 < PeterM> https://wiki.analog.com/_media/university/courses/electronics/a2_p5.png?w=600&tok=109880 this isnt what actually happens
2015-09-26T08:23:13 < upgrdman> orly
2015-09-26T08:23:39 < PeterM> the unrectified trace is measured between the transformer windings/mains right
2015-09-26T08:23:41 < Bright> why's it only go to 2 on the rectified output
2015-09-26T08:23:56 < PeterM> but the rectified output is measued between the oputput of the rectifier
2015-09-26T08:23:57 < upgrdman> Bright, chinese diodes?
2015-09-26T08:23:59 < Bright> lol
2015-09-26T08:24:06 < Bright> i use a FET bridge
2015-09-26T08:24:15 < Bright> or i would if i designed products
2015-09-26T08:24:17 < Bright> which i don't...
2015-09-26T08:25:28 < PeterM> since the rectifier is switchging polarity every half cycle you would actually get a offest between one side of the input and the output
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2015-09-26T08:38:26 < PeterM> ilkl draw a shitty picture because i cant find anything on google
2015-09-26T08:40:59 < PeterM> upgrdman, http://imgur.com/GGIEXrh
2015-09-26T08:41:59 < upgrdman> interesting
2015-09-26T08:42:50 < upgrdman> that makes sense now that i think about it
2015-09-26T08:42:51 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-26T08:43:09 < upgrdman> good thing i never tried to make my own mains-powered psu
2015-09-26T08:43:53 < PeterM> with the bridge rectifier you arent chaging the polarity of the mains, you're just changing the way it connects to your circuit
2015-09-26T08:44:02 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-26T08:46:10 < PeterM> i think that drawing is wrong sorry
2015-09-26T08:46:27 < mtbg> I'm not sure if the diagram for "B" is right
2015-09-26T08:46:35 < PeterM> the B example is qwrong
2015-09-26T08:46:43 < PeterM> ill fix it again
2015-09-26T08:47:12 < PeterM> its equally as bad the outcome though
2015-09-26T08:47:41 < mtbg> B will be dependent on what the load of this bridge is
2015-09-26T08:48:20 < PeterM> n0 b will be completely different
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2015-09-26T08:57:02 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/hM6Y4jl
2015-09-26T08:57:35 < mtbg> yep
2015-09-26T08:58:44 < PeterM> so every half cycle, your case is essentially connected to the live of your mains
2015-09-26T09:00:06 < PeterM> but even worse, if you put that cap there, on the other half cycle you get rectified mains minus regulated output voltage on your case
2015-09-26T09:00:31 < PeterM> because the cap level shifts the ground when the other diodes dont conduct
2015-09-26T09:00:40 < PeterM> or someting like that
2015-09-26T09:00:47 < PeterM> which is nasty
2015-09-26T09:04:32 < upgrdman> tempted to buy some of these  http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=38768
2015-09-26T09:04:43 < upgrdman> for random robot projects
2015-09-26T09:08:25 < PeterM> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__19810__Turnigy_1256TG_Digital_Titanium_Gear_Servo_57g_8_5kg_08sec.html
2015-09-26T09:09:32 < PeterM> unsure if good or garbage savox clone
2015-09-26T09:14:08 < upgrdman> i wonder what the gears look like.
2015-09-26T09:14:17 < upgrdman> i want to mod these for continuous rotation
2015-09-26T09:14:31 < upgrdman> and some servos use a half-moon output gear so you cant do that
2015-09-26T09:14:53 < upgrdman> others just use a press-in pin to limit travel... which can be removed
2015-09-26T09:15:31 < PeterM> the moideln number is the same as teh savox, and that has full gears
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2015-09-26T09:32:13 < upgrdman> this might be useful for another balancing robot  http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Bosch-Sensortec/BMX055/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt8xBNXJng%252bZBAbPNgKCMn8q%2fD26PbEeobMXlh2zfiw0w%3d%3d
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2015-09-26T09:44:51 < upgrdman> ohh even better for $11 http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/621/BST_BNO055_DS000_12~1-531239.pdf
2015-09-26T09:45:49 < upgrdman> sweet, now i don't have to fuck with sensor fusion
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2015-09-26T10:53:28 < kakimir> I'm not sure you should connect neutral to PE in powered device
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2015-09-26T10:56:52 < jpa-> "not sure"?
2015-09-26T10:57:03 < jpa-> how about, "hell no"
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2015-09-26T11:16:26 < kakimir> that's what I was trying to say
2015-09-26T11:24:48 < mtbg> the connection probably is meant to be outside the device and is presented on the schematic just to give an idea about potentials relative to PE
2015-09-26T11:25:00 < mtbg> if you are refering to that PeterM schematic
2015-09-26T11:27:59 < mtbg> any modern installation has RCD which will likely turn off when you connect N with PE anywhere after the breaker if there was enough current in L - N loop
2015-09-26T11:28:21 < kakimir> yes
2015-09-26T11:40:06 < kakimir> 30mA RDC would turn off at ~60mA
2015-09-26T11:40:19 < kakimir> if there was no other loads in line
2015-09-26T11:41:34 < mtbg> right
2015-09-26T11:41:45 < mtbg> assuming the same N and PE wiring resistance
2015-09-26T11:42:00 < mtbg> to the short point
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2015-09-26T11:54:13 < kakimir> if there was no RDC and there was high amperage load connected in line
2015-09-26T11:55:09 < kakimir> it would cause appear of AC voltage to device PE connected enclosures
2015-09-26T11:56:02 < kakimir> not too dangerous but clearly noticeable
2015-09-26T12:02:08 < Sync> upgrdman: stuff like the NUP2201MR6, but with moar pins
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2015-09-26T12:07:04 < PeterM> kakimir, jpa- it was just to indicate that neutral is usually ties to PE at some point in the distribution system - obviously not in the end user device though
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2015-09-26T12:58:14 < decimad> Hey there... so I was wondering about a fact and always forgot to ask here... the AHB prescaler of the stm32f4, as documented in the reference manual on page 226 is missing the factor of 1/32... since that seems odd it might be a mistake?
2015-09-26T13:01:35 < GargantuaSauce> that is weird
2015-09-26T13:04:54 < GargantuaSauce> it does just seem like an oversight but it's lasted through 10 revisions...
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2015-09-26T13:11:48 < fenugrec>  What ? Are you saying there could by a mistake in *ST* documentation ? noooo....
2015-09-26T13:11:57 < GargantuaSauce> crazy right
2015-09-26T13:13:37 < jpa-> there is no gap in binary values, so does there even exist /32 factor?
2015-09-26T13:13:59 < fenugrec> hehe, like they copy-pasted some chapters on the timers and one of them lets you think TIM15/16/17 have a downcounting mode. So you try to use that in your code, only to realize a few hours later that those timers don't have such a mode
2015-09-26T13:14:15 < jpa-> it seems to me that documentation is correct and hardware is weird
2015-09-26T13:15:06 < fenugrec> jpa- I think the only real answer would be to rig a test a measure the actual frequencies... that's a prescale selector, right ?
2015-09-26T13:15:57 < jpa-> well, stm32f4xx.h agrees on there not being a DIV32 factor
2015-09-26T13:18:37 < ReadError> anyone have or seen some decent 5x5 or 10x10cm breakout boards ?
2015-09-26T13:18:53 < ReadError> I want to test a fab house and would like to get something usable w/o much effort ;)
2015-09-26T13:18:54 < decimad> Well, then I'll document it as weird in my sources... the hardware must be more complex because this encoding needs special cases... strange people
2015-09-26T13:19:17 < ReadError> like a board with a bunch of footprints and pads/pinheaders
2015-09-26T13:19:23 < jpa-> decimad: i think it is a consequence of having the div factor be 2 at the minimum
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2015-09-26T13:23:57 < decimad> jpa- which factor do you mean? the ahb prescaler factor can be 1 as well... though I wonder why they didn't encode it as a normal exponent... 0 => 2^0, 1001 => 2^1
2015-09-26T13:24:25 < GargantuaSauce> i'd call it a consequence of 0xxx being no division
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2015-09-26T13:25:38 < jpa-> yeah, it makes more sense if you reorder the bits so that it is xxx0 instead of 0xxx
2015-09-26T13:26:01 < GargantuaSauce> > The clocks are divided with the new prescaler factor from 1 to 16 AHB cycles after HPRE write.
2015-09-26T13:26:04 < jpa-> they have just for some reason added AND gate so that other bits are don't-care if the lowest bit (for 2x divider) is 0
2015-09-26T13:26:15 < GargantuaSauce> so it's a weird 2-stage thing
2015-09-26T13:26:28 < GargantuaSauce> where it will only write to the register after the first stage strobes
2015-09-26T13:28:34 < decimad> stage strobe? are you talking vhdl-level stuff?
2015-09-26T13:29:43 < GargantuaSauce> yeah the second bit just enables an extra /4 instead of /2
2015-09-26T13:30:05 < decimad> I can see that a special activated-bit is necessary in order to bypass the dividing counter... otherwise /2 would be the min... but still, with the other bits you'd index the bits in the counter and they artificially added a gap in there
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2015-09-26T13:40:44 < Laurenceb__> http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/09/gchq-tried-to-track-web-visits-of-every-visible-user-on-internet/
2015-09-26T13:44:22 < PeterM> good thing i use xvideos instead!
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2015-09-26T13:49:37 < kakimir> weird times
2015-09-26T13:49:46 < kakimir> invisible things try to track us
2015-09-26T13:49:58 < Roklobsta> msg R2COM you mentioned my ramen lacked 'shiny'.  I just found this ...  gonna try it this week.  http://www.seriouseats.com/2012/02/how-to-make-tonkotsu-ramen-broth-at-home-recipe.html
2015-09-26T13:50:08 < Roklobsta> shit
2015-09-26T13:50:13 < Roklobsta> sorry
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2015-09-26T14:04:45 < PeterM> whats emebs website?
2015-09-26T14:07:30 < PeterM> nvm found it http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/
2015-09-26T14:08:31 < kakimir> should hasl be enough for reflowing components
2015-09-26T14:08:54 < kakimir> I think not but
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2015-09-26T14:10:44 < PeterM> no
2015-09-26T14:10:48 < PeterM> not enough
2015-09-26T14:11:26 < PeterM> you might be able to tack pins with it and flux, but still doubt it
2015-09-26T14:12:13 < kakimir> better add solder before sticking components to tight spaces
2015-09-26T14:14:55 < PeterM> indeed, though touching up pins with a fine tip + paste  works pretty well
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2015-09-26T14:26:05 < kakimir> how prone sot23 is to crack when reflowing
2015-09-26T14:26:07 < kakimir> ?
2015-09-26T14:29:04 < ReadError> not happened to me ever
2015-09-26T14:29:08 < kakimir> good
2015-09-26T14:29:38 < kakimir> I try to get grasp on this phenomenon
2015-09-26T14:29:51 < kakimir> without cracking stuff I try to work with
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2015-09-26T15:38:38 < dongs> sup dongs
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2015-09-26T15:39:28 < PeterM> listening to garbage music
2015-09-26T15:39:40 < Laurenceb__> was fapping but then I got owned by GCHQ
2015-09-26T15:39:50 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW3gKKiTvjs caution, 80s female, very high pitched
2015-09-26T15:40:00 < Laurenceb__> cuz they hacked youporn
2015-09-26T15:40:09 < dongs> trash
2015-09-26T15:40:26 < PeterM> really really trash
2015-09-26T15:42:38 < ReadError> now the queen knows about your midget porn fetish
2015-09-26T15:42:54 < dongs> watching avengers ultron, probly gonna regret it
2015-09-26T15:43:05 < Laurenceb__> pron hacked youporn cuz its where isis hang out
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2015-09-26T15:45:18 < mtbg> surely
2015-09-26T15:47:10 < mtbg> they all need a creative way to express their sexuality
2015-09-26T15:47:45 < mtbg> the more they run away from their natural instincts, the more mental fuck up they get
2015-09-26T15:49:34 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/pMaBCC4.jpg
2015-09-26T15:49:40 < ReadError> seems like a total Laurenceb post
2015-09-26T15:50:12 < artag> PeterM: it's your fault, now i'm listening to old blondie hits
2015-09-26T15:51:10 < ReadError> i ordered a wireless numpad
2015-09-26T15:51:17 < ReadError> so i can use altium pro style
2015-09-26T15:52:53 < mtbg> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2015_lunar_eclipse
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2015-09-26T16:19:58 < PeterM> artag, hahaha!
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2015-09-26T16:21:35 < ehsanv1> hi, please help me. http://pastebin.com/QmrFqqWe
2015-09-26T16:21:46 < ehsanv1> i have problem in set and get time
2015-09-26T16:21:59 < ehsanv1> specially in daylight saving time
2015-09-26T16:22:02 < dongs> awful indentation and coding style
2015-09-26T16:23:02 < ehsanv1> dongs: me?!
2015-09-26T16:23:07 < dongs> yes
2015-09-26T16:23:12 < ehsanv1> thanks :D
2015-09-26T16:23:45 < dongs> does localtime() return allocated struct tm?
2015-09-26T16:23:47 < ehsanv1> time does not get 1 hour back after 22Sep
2015-09-26T16:24:23 < ehsanv1> dongs: yes, allocated
2015-09-26T16:24:41 < PaulFertser> ehsanv1: if(ti->tm_mon >= 9 && ti->tm_mday > 22) ti->tm_isdst = 1; // dst effect doesn't look ok
2015-09-26T16:25:21 < ehsanv1> PaulFertser: i did it because dst (-1 hour) after 22 sep
2015-09-26T16:25:31 < ehsanv1> PaulFertser: so how can i do that
2015-09-26T16:25:41 < PaulFertser> ehsanv1: think again about logic of your condition.
2015-09-26T16:25:56 < ehsanv1> and beside, user does not set every day. so somehow it should calculate by GetTime
2015-09-26T16:26:06 < dongs> as i said.
2015-09-26T16:26:08 < dongs> the problem with your code
2015-09-26T16:26:12 < dongs> is awful fucking coding style
2015-09-26T16:26:17 < dongs> indent it and you will see the problem
2015-09-26T16:26:29 < PaulFertser> ehsanv1: also, what country is that? I thought DST transition always take place saturday night, not really some specific date.
2015-09-26T16:26:47 < ehsanv1> +3:30
2015-09-26T16:26:49 < ehsanv1> Tehran
2015-09-26T16:26:51 < ehsanv1> Iran
2015-09-26T16:26:54 < PeterM> usually between 2and and 3am sunday morning, no?
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2015-09-26T16:27:42 < GargantuaSauce> rolling your own datetime logic is such a losing battle
2015-09-26T16:28:06 < PaulFertser> PeterM: specific hour depends on timezone and country, but yes, it's always on early sunday, not strictly after the 22nd Sep.
2015-09-26T16:28:27 < PaulFertser> GargantuaSauce++ ehsanv1, just use what POSIX features newlib already provides.
2015-09-26T16:28:36 < GargantuaSauce> and certainly not after the 22nd of every month after september
2015-09-26T16:28:57 < ehsanv1> PaulFertser: i'm using IAR, does it have newlib?
2015-09-26T16:29:14 < PaulFertser> ehsanv1: ask dongs how to do it properly with Keil and other proprietary toolchains :)
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2015-09-26T16:30:11 < PaulFertser> ehsanv1: anyway, I recommend always keeping UTC in your RTC and convert it to time_t whenever needed. And when you have to present the time to the user, use library functions to account for timezones and such.
2015-09-26T16:30:35 < ehsanv1> PaulFertser: as i dont have touch device, i just rewrite and send hex by email and they call me back and say what happen ! this process really ugly
2015-09-26T16:31:02 < GargantuaSauce> oh dear
2015-09-26T16:32:42 < PaulFertser> ehsanv1: who they, the alians?
2015-09-26T16:33:46 < ehsanv1> PaulFertser: its actually one guy, my employer. i work in home,
2015-09-26T16:34:09 < ehsanv1> PaulFertser: and i don't know why i don't keep one device with me to test and debug :|
2015-09-26T16:34:43 < dongs> sounds like a cool job
2015-09-26T16:35:29 < ehsanv1> dongs: yeah, he is a reach guy with ideas, and he pays me to build his ideas
2015-09-26T16:35:55 < ehsanv1> rich *
2015-09-26T16:35:58 < ehsanv1> sorry for bad english
2015-09-26T16:36:01 < ehsanv1> lol
2015-09-26T16:36:14 < dongs> im just a shitty internet troll
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2015-09-26T17:19:49 < ehsanv1> i found IAR dlib has a getzone.c file that defines a const  char *__getzone() function, i changed it to my timezone, but not still test it. but i believe it would work.
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2015-09-26T17:34:12 < Laurenceb__> I "solved" this problem using FAT32
2015-09-26T17:34:30 < Laurenceb__> it doesnt really have a concept of local versus UTC
2015-09-26T17:34:56 < Laurenceb__> but the files are usually timestamped with an appropriate time :P
2015-09-26T17:35:07 < Laurenceb__> so I use that to set the RTC
2015-09-26T17:36:36 < jpa-> Laurenceb__: you mean, pc saves file to usb, stm32 takes timestamp from that?
2015-09-26T17:36:54 < Laurenceb__> yes
2015-09-26T17:37:08 < Laurenceb__> its a bit goofy to use, but I dont care lol
2015-09-26T17:37:14 < jpa-> yeah, i've thought about that sometimes :P
2015-09-26T17:37:21 < Laurenceb__> there are detailed step by step instructions in the manual
2015-09-26T17:37:29 < jpa-> too bad there isn't standard usb class for "just tell me the time thx"
2015-09-26T17:37:37 < Laurenceb__> also I "factory" trim the RTC to +-1ppm
2015-09-26T17:37:39 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2015-09-26T17:38:17 < Laurenceb__> user has to save a file called time.txt to the device
2015-09-26T17:40:12 < emeb> filename should be 'jihad.txt"
2015-09-26T17:41:04 < Laurenceb__> only really fail part is that I set it to follow UK daylight saving time
2015-09-26T17:41:52 < emeb> contents of "time.txt" file could be offset from UTC
2015-09-26T17:42:05 < emeb> echo "mst7" > time.txt
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2015-09-26T17:47:54 < Ecco> By the way
2015-09-26T17:48:01 < Ecco> I really like how that hot-air gun I bought
2015-09-26T17:48:10 < Ecco> has a HUGE-ass sticker saying "ESD safe"
2015-09-26T17:48:23 < Ecco> dude, it's not even supposed to touch anything, how could it be ESD unsafe?
2015-09-26T17:49:34 < jpa-> "supposed to"
2015-09-26T17:49:37 < Sync> by not being dissipative
2015-09-26T17:49:41 < Sync> and charging you up
2015-09-26T17:50:06 < jpa-> yeah, if it was not conductive to ground, fans and similar quite easily charge things up
2015-09-26T17:50:20 < jpa-> and even if you are not supposed to touch it to stuff, you know, things happen
2015-09-26T17:50:29 < Ecco> I see
2015-09-26T17:50:39 < Ecco> well, it also says "rework statino"
2015-09-26T17:50:44 < Ecco> so I thought that was some chinese bullshit
2015-09-26T17:50:58 < Ecco> zebushit
2015-09-26T17:50:59 < jpa-> that just shows how high qaulite it is
2015-09-26T17:51:09 < Ecco> :-D
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2015-09-26T18:15:31 < aandrew> http://www.imgur.com/gallery/0VkyEm9
2015-09-26T18:15:32 < aandrew> almost as good as that video of the propeller falling off
2015-09-26T18:15:41 < dongs> old as shit
2015-09-26T18:15:51 < Steffanx> only 5 hours old.
2015-09-26T18:16:54 < dongs> try over 5 months old
2015-09-26T18:17:26 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/JHXkmBT.jpg not claiming it is the original
2015-09-26T18:17:33 < dongs> would need to run some jpeg artifacts analysis
2015-09-26T18:17:41 < dongs> http://imgur.com/JHXkmBT
2015-09-26T18:17:48 < dongs> to see if i can make out the dixels.
2015-09-26T18:17:55 < Ecco> haha
2015-09-26T18:17:57 < Ecco> good one
2015-09-26T18:18:16 < Ecco> Might not be legit though
2015-09-26T18:18:30 < dongs> there was a video
2015-09-26T18:18:36 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-26T18:18:43 < Ecco> So the camera had a different power source
2015-09-26T18:18:56 < dongs> that was teh case until kids started flying
2015-09-26T18:19:12 < dongs> anyway, thats from gopro or similar cam
2015-09-26T18:19:15 < dongs> so thats obviosuly self-powered
2015-09-26T18:19:22 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-26T18:19:22 < dongs> but for a while even fpv stuff had a separate battery
2015-09-26T18:19:28 < dongs> until they started making small shit
2015-09-26T18:19:31 < dongs> and there is no space
2015-09-26T18:19:46 < PeterM> FPV is such low power you could use any tiny AF battery
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2015-09-26T18:20:31 < PeterM> probably less pace for tiny battery vs bec + wires
2015-09-26T18:21:16 < dongs> yeah thats waht I did
2015-09-26T18:21:35 < dongs> and it works better cuz if you fly on 3S your 12V cam/vtx don't cut out when voltage drops below 10V or whatever
2015-09-26T18:22:03 < dongs> duno wat the newfags are doing tehse days, i havent touched anything flying in like 2 years
2015-09-26T18:22:12 < PeterM> mmhm, and you dont have as much issues with electrical noise from escs etc gettign itno your vtx
2015-09-26T18:22:21  * Ecco has a small eflite plane.
2015-09-26T18:22:22 < Ecco> I love it :)
2015-09-26T18:22:37 < dongs> PeterM: for that you buy a $20 amazing magical LC filter
2015-09-26T18:23:11 < dongs> http://www.readymaderc.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11_66_71&products_id=533
2015-09-26T18:23:14 < PeterM> heh...
2015-09-26T18:23:18 < dongs> GUESS WHATS INSIDE?!?!
2015-09-26T18:23:52 < PeterM> hmmm
2015-09-26T18:23:56 < dongs> L+C, duh
2015-09-26T18:23:58 < PeterM> maybe an inductor
2015-09-26T18:24:00 < dongs> yeah.
2015-09-26T18:24:01 < PeterM> and a capacitor
2015-09-26T18:24:14 < PeterM> but if you lok inside the heatshrink there is an unpopulated footprint
2015-09-26T18:24:53 < dongs> maybe it's just L
2015-09-26T18:24:55 < dongs> without the C.
2015-09-26T18:25:21 < PeterM> nah they say "Capacitor: Japanese Polymer Capacitor"
2015-09-26T18:25:40 < dongs> attn upgrdman http://i.imgur.com/HB3h3Pp.gifv
2015-09-26T18:25:47 < PeterM> whatever it is it dont need be that big nor that spensive
2015-09-26T18:26:20 < PeterM> impressive
2015-09-26T18:26:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1a1PAyj.gifv ethnic cleansing
2015-09-26T18:27:12 < PeterM> QUADRAKILLLLLLL
2015-09-26T18:27:57 < Sync> the classic 150° reverse drift
2015-09-26T18:30:03 < Laurenceb__> http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/sep/26/sylvanian-families-isis-freedom-of-expression-exhibition
2015-09-26T18:31:30 < Laurenceb__> jihadis in the work are called “MICE-IS”
2015-09-26T18:33:06 < dongs> If it were me, I'd hang on for a while (probably see if I can get hold of an Android device). For sure Zano is not going to perform as you saw in the promotional videos straight away - it is a work in progress. But it will get there and it will be an awesome piece of kit when it does.
2015-09-26T18:33:13 < dongs> so new libazano is up
2015-09-26T18:33:17 < dongs> time to copy it over and see
2015-09-26T18:33:30 < emeb> "Hope dies last"
2015-09-26T18:35:50 < dongs> hah
2015-09-26T18:35:51 < dongs> what hte hell
2015-09-26T18:35:57 < dongs> they rewrote half the firmwre stuff
2015-09-26T18:35:59 < dongs> in some nasty C++
2015-09-26T18:36:07 < emeb> super pro
2015-09-26T18:36:28 < dongs> libZano::firmware::FirmwareDeleter::~FirmwareDeleter()
2015-09-26T18:36:29 < dongs> yaaa
2015-09-26T18:36:41 < dongs> libZano::frames::isBanned(Zano_Frame *)
2015-09-26T18:36:41 < dongs> wat
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2015-09-26T18:39:23 < Laurenceb__> lol
2015-09-26T18:39:27 < Laurenceb__> B&
2015-09-26T18:42:40 < dongs> libZano::firmware::FirmwareConfiguration::loadFromNetwork()
2015-09-26T18:44:52 < BrainDamage> are those classes or namespaces?
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2015-09-26T18:45:45 < dongs> libZano::mjpeg::MjpegPlayer::MjpegPlayer(ulong long)
2015-09-26T18:45:45 < dongs> HEH
2015-09-26T18:45:56 < dongs> BrainDamage: classes
2015-09-26T18:45:59 < dongs> tghere's methods
2015-09-26T18:46:22 < Sync> de fuk
2015-09-26T18:46:48 < decimad> Nobody writes out the namespaces for every symbol...
2015-09-26T18:47:18 < dongs> libSocial::events::DownloadFirmware::tryDownload(void)
2015-09-26T18:47:19 < BrainDamage> nobody nests 4 classes statically like that either normally
2015-09-26T18:47:20 < dongs> libsocial wat
2015-09-26T18:47:31 < decimad> there's nothing nested
2015-09-26T18:47:45 < decimad> that's the constructor declaration in a twofold namespace
2015-09-26T18:47:59 < dongs> oh fuck me
2015-09-26T18:48:01 < dongs> there's a god damn
2015-09-26T18:48:04 < dongs> sin/cos/atan
2015-09-26T18:48:06 < dongs> in fucking arm ASM
2015-09-26T18:48:10 < dongs> hand-optimized
2015-09-26T18:48:15 < dongs> roffle
2015-09-26T18:48:45 < decimad> it can be faster to calc it with a taylor approx than to look up in a table...
2015-09-26T18:48:50 < dongs> haha and sqrt
2015-09-26T18:49:04 < dongs> and invsqrt
2015-09-26T18:49:17 < dongs> i wonderr where tehy copied this stuff from
2015-09-26T18:49:35 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/XAkh9D90.html
2015-09-26T18:50:50 < decimad> those look like mangled names... are you sure they are hand-optimized?
2015-09-26T18:51:09 < dongs> nah its just auto-named shit from ida
2015-09-26T18:51:27 < dongs> asm is handwritten tho, its all neon/vector shit or wahtever the fuck
2015-09-26T18:51:50 < dongs> vfp
2015-09-26T18:53:51 < dongs> heh
2015-09-26T18:53:58 < dongs> the invsqrt is the 'fast' one from quake or watever
2015-09-26T18:54:07 < dongs> it has the 0x5f3759df constant
2015-09-26T18:54:32 < decimad> carmack only copied that from elsewhere iirc
2015-09-26T18:54:56 < dongs> i  = 0x5f3759df - ( i >> 1 );               // what the fuck?
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2015-09-26T18:55:34 < decimad> I always wonder why people prefer i >> 1 over i/2 ...
2015-09-26T18:55:53 < dongs> arduino retards
2015-09-26T18:56:43 < emeb> everyone knows that shifting is faster than division
2015-09-26T18:57:00 < emeb> except compiler writers apparently
2015-09-26T18:57:57 < Laurenceb__> surely MIPS asm?
2015-09-26T18:58:43 < dongs> naw
2015-09-26T18:58:47 < dongs> this is libzano.so inside assdroid app
2015-09-26T18:58:50 < dongs> they just released new version
2015-09-26T18:59:20 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2015-09-26T18:59:23 < Laurenceb__> whyyyy
2015-09-26T19:00:59 < dongs> If you are really intent on selling it you might do better to see if anyone on the forums would be prepared to buy it (or maybe do a swap of some sort). There are a number of guys here who were/are hoping to have a Zano for various holidays, events etc and they might be pleased to be able to guarantee that.
2015-09-26T19:01:05 < dongs> haha
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2015-09-26T19:47:45 < Steffanx> superbia1 how is ranewen?
2015-09-26T20:00:15 < Steffanx> Im not sure if jpa-'s room is that small.
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2015-09-26T20:11:26 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: hey, do you think it's reasonable to learn flying a tiny CP heli without using a sim?
2015-09-26T20:12:57 < PaulFertser> superbia1: yes, but I like talking to people I already know :)
2015-09-26T20:15:39 < PaulFertser> superbia1: np :) I just do not really need this to be answered urgently, so I can wait for the IRC pros here.
2015-09-26T20:16:09 < ReadError> PaulFertser sim helps
2015-09-26T20:16:11 < ReadError> but not required
2015-09-26T20:16:33 < ReadError> http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-12-in-1-USB-2_0-Dongle-Almighty-Flight-Simulator--p-57051.html
2015-09-26T20:16:39 < ReadError> can grab that and try different ones out
2015-09-26T20:17:46 < PaulFertser> ReadError: yeah, I know. I can even grab a random stm32 disco from a shelf and take some existing PPM -> USB project.
2015-09-26T20:23:22 < ReadError> nah
2015-09-26T20:23:27 < ReadError> you need dongle emulation ;)
2015-09-26T20:23:35 < ReadError> its totally pirated stuff
2015-09-26T20:24:00 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, not really.
2015-09-26T20:24:20 < upgrdman> i mean it could be done, but i think you'd crash way too often to have any fun
2015-09-26T20:24:56 < upgrdman> also, the smaller the heli, the hard it is to fly
2015-09-26T20:26:07 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: hm, I was thinking about buying wltoys v977 but I do not want to learn in sim :/
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2015-09-26T20:26:49 < PaulFertser> ReadError: I wouldn't use a proprietary sim anyway, my religion forbids that.
2015-09-26T20:27:00 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, you could always try, and if you get pissed off, then get a sim
2015-09-26T20:27:05 < ReadError> oh in that case you wont find a single decent one
2015-09-26T20:27:25 < PaulFertser> ReadError: FMS?
2015-09-26T20:27:25 < ReadError> so ya just buy a heli
2015-09-26T20:27:30 < ReadError> PaulFertser, garbo
2015-09-26T20:29:31 < PaulFertser> ReadError: upgrdman: I guess I have no choice then. Thank you for the advice.
2015-09-26T20:29:57 < ReadError> a quad might be worth it
2015-09-26T20:29:58 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: do I understand it right that flying an FP model is of almost no help here?
2015-09-26T20:30:02 < ReadError> flight is about the same
2015-09-26T20:30:08 < ReadError> but a lot less mechanical stuff to tear up
2015-09-26T20:30:56 < ReadError> you can learn the movements and orientation without constantly replacing parts and rebuilding
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2015-09-26T20:32:04 < PaulFertser> ReadError: so quad control is more similar to a CP heli than that of an FP heli? News to me.
2015-09-26T20:32:08 < Lux> isn't a quad a lot easier to fly ?
2015-09-26T20:32:21 < ReadError> Lux, ehhh a bit
2015-09-26T20:32:25 < Lux> even in acro mode i'd imagine
2015-09-26T20:32:28 < ReadError> but most FBL helis have similar feel
2015-09-26T20:32:36 < ReadError> since thats the direction helis are going now too
2015-09-26T20:32:50 < Lux> ah ok, so they have gyro stab too
2015-09-26T20:32:52 < ReadError> so some stab
2015-09-26T20:33:13 < ReadError> PaulFertser, yea its pretty much indentical
2015-09-26T20:33:25 < ReadError> in terms of muscle memory and how you fly it around
2015-09-26T20:33:43 < PaulFertser> ReadError: and an FP is different?
2015-09-26T20:33:57 < ReadError> FP is less responsive
2015-09-26T20:35:04 < PaulFertser> I had an impression it's way more different...
2015-09-26T20:35:51 < PaulFertser> That an FP will hover still if I let the stick go, and a CP would continue wandering to where I directed it just before.
2015-09-26T20:35:57 < ReadError> well
2015-09-26T20:36:00 < ReadError> coaxial will
2015-09-26T20:36:13 < PaulFertser> No, not talking about coax here.
2015-09-26T20:36:30 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, fp would help with orientation
2015-09-26T20:36:54 < upgrdman> my first rc heli was fp, and it helped a lot
2015-09-26T20:37:18 < upgrdman> fp also tends to a tolerate crash a little better (but not by much)
2015-09-26T20:38:00 < ReadError> yea, seriously though, look in to a cheap quad
2015-09-26T20:38:05 < ReadError> a heli crash can be hours of work
2015-09-26T20:38:15 < ReadError> main shaft, feathering shafts, blades, booms
2015-09-26T20:38:19 < upgrdman> quads are fun, but wont teach you how to fly a heli
2015-09-26T20:38:28 < ReadError> all those will die easy
2015-09-26T20:38:43 < ReadError> upgrdman, well it will get you to the 3d point
2015-09-26T20:39:00 < PaulFertser> How do I have fun flying helis? Am I supposed to drill the figures on sim again and again and again for hours then try it live, fail, crash, repair, try it again, order parts, wait (while having quality sim time), repair, finally manage it and then show to some friend and he'll say either "duh" or "I can't understand anything" and then you proceed to the next trick. Is that the way?
2015-09-26T20:39:03 < ReadError> orientation, forward flight, some acro
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2015-09-26T20:40:47 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, well on a flight sim you can do whatever you want, since it dosn't matter if you crash. so you can be a discliplined or careless as you want
2015-09-26T20:41:02 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: that's I can imagine
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2015-09-26T20:42:16 < PaulFertser> ReadError: hm, I wonder, can quads reverse motors?
2015-09-26T20:42:24 < ReadError> ya
2015-09-26T20:42:32 < ReadError> they have 3d props
2015-09-26T20:42:53 < PaulFertser> Funny
2015-09-26T20:43:30 < PaulFertser> Never seen anyone doing invert. I admit I haven't seen many people flying quads, but there were some.
2015-09-26T20:43:42 < ReadError> yea its not super common
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2015-09-26T20:47:05 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: so, when does the fun part starts?
2015-09-26T20:47:17 < upgrdman> i always had fun
2015-09-26T20:47:30 < upgrdman> crashes were disappointing but just part of lif
2015-09-26T20:47:31 < upgrdman> life
2015-09-26T20:48:18 < upgrdman> i still remember the flight where "it clicked" and i could fly my cp heli head-in or tail-in with confidence
2015-09-26T20:48:36 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: I see. Well, thank you and ReadError for the advice.
2015-09-26T20:48:41 < upgrdman> sure
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2015-09-26T22:45:27 < kakimir> https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1443162814845.webm
2015-09-26T22:49:04 < aandrew> $5 says that biker got religion
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2015-09-26T22:50:15 < Sync> kakimir: 10 interweb years old
2015-09-26T22:57:40 < decimad> https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/76866912/ try this one to learn how to fly
2015-09-26T23:02:42 < kakimir> no flash
2015-09-26T23:08:48 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2015-09-26T23:08:49 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HPm2oPUPi2Q
2015-09-26T23:08:59 < Laurenceb__> this looks legit
2015-09-26T23:09:48 < kakimir> ufo engine tests?
2015-09-26T23:11:41 < Laurenceb__> yup
2015-09-26T23:12:09 < Laurenceb__> why do these things always use ancient winxp with a camcorder filming the screen
2015-09-26T23:12:12 < Laurenceb__> sooo fake
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2015-09-26T23:13:38 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7QNbU71lsA
2015-09-26T23:14:14 < kakimir> because science people have never really been computer people
2015-09-26T23:14:36 < Laurenceb__>  "science"
2015-09-26T23:14:49 < kakimir> whatevers
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2015-09-26T23:22:21 < decimad> what is this?
2015-09-26T23:22:44 < decimad> I'm staring at some data logging for like 30 mins?
2015-09-26T23:23:01 < kakimir> there is still like 50% of windows systems running xp
2015-09-26T23:24:45 < Laurenceb__> decimad: yeah i know lol
2015-09-26T23:24:57 < Laurenceb__> he needs to learn to plot
2015-09-26T23:25:46 < Laurenceb__> tl;dr  mentally unsound guy claims to have broken the laws of physics
2015-09-26T23:26:08 < kakimir> smoke some
2015-09-26T23:26:42 < decimad> well, every freaking guy I know off who means to have broken the laws of physics also breaks all laws of presentation ;)
2015-09-26T23:27:00 < Laurenceb__> haha 2 true
2015-09-26T23:27:27 < Laurenceb__> in b4 timecube
2015-09-26T23:31:00 < kakimir> how to choose caps for rtc xtal
2015-09-26T23:31:21 < Laurenceb__> with care :P
2015-09-26T23:31:27 < kakimir> when manual doesn't really say nothing but there should be some
2015-09-26T23:31:33 < Laurenceb__> take xtal load, divide by two
2015-09-26T23:31:42 < kakimir> load capacitance?
2015-09-26T23:31:45 < Laurenceb__> then subtract ~0.25 to 0.5pF
2015-09-26T23:31:47 < Laurenceb__> yes
2015-09-26T23:33:06 < kakimir> that is the rule of thumb then?
2015-09-26T23:33:13 < kakimir> does this apply with all chips+
2015-09-26T23:33:45 < kakimir> is that 0.25 to 0.50 something relative to chip crystal pin capacitances?
2015-09-26T23:34:04 < Laurenceb__> yes
2015-09-26T23:34:20 < Laurenceb__> lol this video has been destroyed on reddit
2015-09-26T23:34:34 < aadamson> https://blog.adafruit.com/2012/01/24/choosing-the-right-crystal-and-caps-for-your-design/
2015-09-26T23:34:35 < decimad> hah, I'm getting better at landing rockets
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2015-09-26T23:35:22 < Laurenceb__> 5pf WTF
2015-09-26T23:35:31 < kakimir> I think there might be crystal pins capacitances in manual
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2015-09-26T23:35:34 < Laurenceb__> thats a huge stray capacitance
2015-09-26T23:35:47 < aadamson> yeah, that's key figuring out the right *stray* cap...
2015-09-26T23:35:52 < aadamson> or should I say the magic
2015-09-26T23:35:53 < Laurenceb__> there are, iirc its ~1pF or less
2015-09-26T23:36:19 < Laurenceb__> so basically a rounding error when choosing the right cap
2015-09-26T23:36:27 < aadamson> if you read the STM manuals they also reference a very large stray value... somewhere there is an APPnote about it
2015-09-26T23:36:33 < Laurenceb__> as you have to pick a value you can find
2015-09-26T23:36:36 < Laurenceb__> really
2015-09-26T23:37:05 < aadamson> found it - http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00221665.pdf
2015-09-26T23:38:43 < aadamson> FWIW, I typically use 1-3 assuming I can get traces equal length and *next* to the pins or as reasonable as possible given component sizes
2015-09-26T23:41:23 < Laurenceb__> looks complex
2015-09-26T23:41:29 < Laurenceb__> gain margin :S
2015-09-26T23:42:06 < kakimir> 3pF pad capacitance
2015-09-26T23:42:18 < decimad> why is he trying out capacitance values if he could just calculate them to fit perfectly?
2015-09-26T23:42:33 < decimad> in aadamson's link
2015-09-26T23:44:35 < kakimir> and when load capacitance is 6pF
2015-09-26T23:44:41 < kakimir> then cap size is 6pF
2015-09-26T23:44:45 < kakimir> rite?
2015-09-26T23:46:29 < aandrew> yeah those rules of thumb need to be taken with a grain of salt
2015-09-26T23:46:40 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2015-09-26T23:46:46 < Laurenceb__> I think its 2.5pF
2015-09-26T23:46:59 < Laurenceb__> as each pin is typically ~5pF to gnd
2015-09-26T23:47:11 < decimad> That link's calcs would suggest C = Cl +- sqrt(Cl²-Cs)
2015-09-26T23:47:30 < aandrew> they assume 2-layer boards or specific stackups etc
2015-09-26T23:47:46 < aandrew> when you're talking about individual picoFarads you need to actually do the math
2015-09-26T23:48:34 < aandrew> things like differential microstrip and such talk about the 3H rule which is a much better way to look at things becuase they take into account the distance to the reference
2015-09-26T23:49:19 < decimad> It's a miracle our oscillators work at all, right
2015-09-26T23:49:38 < kakimir> I use 6pF and if it works it works
2015-09-26T23:49:58 < decimad> Try and see if 12pF would work too ;)
2015-09-26T23:50:07 < kakimir> and never have another thought about it
2015-09-26T23:50:33 < aandrew> kakimir: if you just need the thing to oscillate that approach works fine
2015-09-26T23:51:02 < aandrew> if you're trying to hit a spec or minimize PVT you need to do some math and measurement
2015-09-26T23:51:15 < decimad> I like oscillations, mostly those vertical ones
2015-09-26T23:52:17 < Laurenceb__> oops I was wrong earlier
2015-09-26T23:53:04 < Laurenceb__> double the specified loading capacitance, then take off ~5pF
2015-09-26T23:55:12 < kakimir> how to measure it
2015-09-26T23:55:51 < kakimir> can I put scope probe there without interference?
2015-09-26T23:56:00 < kakimir> I bet not
2015-09-26T23:56:08 < Laurenceb__> just estimate lol
2015-09-26T23:56:15 < Laurenceb__> it doenst make too much difference
2015-09-26T23:56:51 < Laurenceb__> about 50ppm if you are out by ~10pF in my experience
2015-09-26T23:56:53 < kakimir> how about find both ends and choosing one in the middle
2015-09-26T23:57:43 < kakimir> can you measure it from frequency or jitter?
2015-09-26T23:57:57 < kakimir> with software and external clock input?
2015-09-26T23:58:46 < kakimir> I need to buffer my rubidium soon
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2015-09-27T00:37:28 < Laurenceb__> meanwhile in sweden  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-20cFT-pNU
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2015-09-27T00:46:27 < Laurenceb__> omfg  http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9nnPUuNefc0/UGhAKeBk2EI/AAAAAAAAJpM/8_rAJBJWLCM/s1600/20120930_115835.jpg
2015-09-27T00:46:59 < Steffanx> hah
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2015-09-27T00:54:35 < decimad> 50 ppm is a lot! ;)
2015-09-27T00:55:01 < Laurenceb__> yeah but thats with 10pF error iirc
2015-09-27T00:55:10 < decimad> I could not believe how bad computer clocks really are, when I started worrying about that...
2015-09-27T00:55:14 < Laurenceb__> if you are arguing over 1pF thats like 5ppm
2015-09-27T00:55:25 < Laurenceb__> so who cares
2015-09-27T00:55:43 < Laurenceb__> xtals are usually >5ppm error, otherwise you use a TCXO
2015-09-27T00:56:51 < decimad> 250000/3600 = 70 hours for a second
2015-09-27T00:57:38 < decimad> How do people usually design streaming data protocols with drifting clocks btw? I removed the drift now, but people obviously were able to handle that without
2015-09-27T01:00:27 < Laurenceb__> just send out a request from the master?
2015-09-27T01:01:10 < emeb> elastic buffer + adaptive rates?
2015-09-27T01:01:26 < upgrdman> Laurenceb__, that ufo youtube video reminded me... i have to use that shitty software at work. wtf can't data logger companies make decent software. that shit looks AND acts like it was ported from DOS or Win3.1
2015-09-27T01:02:28 < decimad> well, say the master provides data at its own frequency of say 1 kHz ... now the slaves consume it at their 1kHz ... if a slave runs fast, it is left without data for a timespan, if it runs slow, it will skip values (and the slaves will only notice that when it happens)
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2015-09-27T01:04:33 < decimad> now the slaves could say: dude, send me data, or dude, make slower ... but then they would drift against each other ... so the slave somehow needs to smear or resample the sampled data from the master if they notice they're running fast or slow...
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2015-09-27T01:10:54 < decimad> emeb: do you know a text about that? Adaptive rate would sound to me like the master notices the drift and skips or duplicates a datum once the cumulative drift hit the sampling period?
2015-09-27T01:12:09 < decimad> otoh the slave could do the same... but this surely seems to be non-trivial to handle well
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2015-09-27T01:15:36 < Laurenceb__> emeb: did you say you have a patent on pwm hardware?
2015-09-27T01:17:25  * Laurenceb__ is writing a patent atm and is confused about patent examination
2015-09-27T01:17:46 < emeb> Laurenceb__: Yeah - it's probably expired by now.
2015-09-27T01:20:16 < decimad> hopefully no software patent :(
2015-09-27T01:21:25 < Laurenceb__> emeb: did you use a patent attorney?
2015-09-27T01:21:39 < Laurenceb__> I'm trying to understand what happens if I fail the patent examination
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2015-09-27T01:26:57 < mtbg> emdrive patent?
2015-09-27T01:29:21 < Laurenceb__> passive in service materials property estimation using ambient temperature fluctuations
2015-09-27T01:29:32 < Laurenceb__> and I'm not going to tell you any more :P
2015-09-27T01:31:12 < Steffanx> internet troll, patent troll, whats next Laurenceb__?
2015-09-27T01:31:13 < emeb> Laurenceb__: We used a patent attorney.
2015-09-27T01:32:21 < emeb> It's a really good idea to have someone who knows the proper way to write the claims. That shit is as critical as programming, but you don't get a compiler to tell you when you screwed it up.
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2015-09-27T01:35:12 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2015-09-27T01:35:29 < emeb> We've got a guy who's been helping us with this stuff for more than 15 yrs - excellent and reasonable charges. Shop around - we've had dealings with worthless attorneys that charged more and did a horrible job.
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2015-09-27T01:42:31 < upgrdman> i've seen some kitchen cabinets where the hinge had a built-in damper so the door wouldn
2015-09-27T01:42:42 < upgrdman> i've seen some kitchen cabinets where the hinge had a built-in damper so the door wouldn't slam shut. any idea what those are called?
2015-09-27T01:45:13 < upgrdman> nm. found them by searching ikea for Hinge
2015-09-27T01:45:35 < ColdKeyboard> upgrdman: I saw two types of them, one is for the doors when they are on hinges (I don't know if I spelled this right) and another one is when doors are on "shock absorbers"
2015-09-27T01:45:58 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-27T01:46:34 < emeb> decimad: I haven't personally done any adaptive rate stuff, but I have seen specs for some parts that could tweak the sample rates of audio to better align with incoming data.
2015-09-27T01:47:15 < ColdKeyboard> upgrdman: Maybe this will help https://www.google.com/search?q=kitchen+elements+door+damper :)
2015-09-27T01:47:55 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-27T01:48:04 < upgrdman> ikea makes some with it integrated into the hinge
2015-09-27T01:48:07 < upgrdman> like this  http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/80261258/
2015-09-27T01:49:01 < upgrdman> or like this  http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/30214504/
2015-09-27T01:49:37 < ColdKeyboard> Yes, i saw those on several kitchen elements. I guess Soft Closing Hinge would be a nice name for it :)
2015-09-27T01:50:32 < upgrdman> :)
2015-09-27T01:50:40 < ColdKeyboard> Does anyone have a suggestion or some projects on how to do FFT on STM32F0? Particulary STM32F030F4P6. I'm looking just for some basic frequency "detection"
2015-09-27T01:51:13 < upgrdman> you just need to look for one freq?
2015-09-27T01:52:28 < ColdKeyboard> Pretty much, just detect when someone is speaking. I need to separate it from the background noise
2015-09-27T01:53:12 < ColdKeyboard> And what IDE works best with arm-gcc? I'm using Eclipse with plugins for ARM but it looks very messy and I'm not sure if it's the best solution or if I'm missing something :)
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2015-09-27T02:17:34 < decimad> ColdKeyboard eclipse with arm plugins ;)
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2015-09-27T02:17:51 < decimad> and preferably some plugin to make it look less disgusting
2015-09-27T02:18:09 < ColdKeyboard> Any sugestions? :)
2015-09-27T02:18:19 < decimad> yeeyul's
2015-09-27T02:18:26 < decimad> iirc
2015-09-27T02:18:49 < decimad> makes my eclipse look like visual studio ;)
2015-09-27T02:19:24 < ColdKeyboard> I have a phobia of eclipse since I never worked with it before, then after I did my firs project with it, for some reason after closing the project I wasn't able to import it back in eclipse... :(
2015-09-27T02:20:03 < decimad> yeah, this workspace concept is a bit strange
2015-09-27T02:21:34 < decimad> but it's free and cross platform... then there are some shitty stripped down eclipse editions like coocox...
2015-09-27T02:22:18 < ColdKeyboard> Yea, that one was even more confusing to use
2015-09-27T02:22:51 < decimad> visual studio has basic gdb support, with which I could debug a running target programmed from eclipse... there isn't missing much actually... make support is there...
2015-09-27T02:22:52 < ColdKeyboard> How do you import project into workspace if it isn't located/from the "original" workspace or whatever the correct term is? :)
2015-09-27T02:23:58 < decimad> so my working is like this: use visual studio 2015 community edition to develop and test constexpr/template stuff... then build with eclipse/arm gcc
2015-09-27T02:25:05 < decimad> I'm no guru at importing projects, sorry... but there are tutorials out there
2015-09-27T02:26:38 < ColdKeyboard> I'll have to look into that :)
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2015-09-27T02:40:58 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-09-27T02:46:46 < dongs> Zano is autonomous... Yes ?? It's supposed to hold position even in high winds yes ? Can it follow the user.. Set different angles, follow, lead etc... All while avoiding obstacles such as trees.. Yes ? SO .. Why am I only seeing it being controlled manually ??? A $25 drone can do that.
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2015-09-27T02:52:47 < dongs> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181884066556
2015-09-27T02:52:48 < dongs> haha
2015-09-27T02:54:04 < Laurenceb__> will refuse requests if they are clearly unfounded, for example if the application relates to a perpetual motion machine
2015-09-27T02:54:06 < Laurenceb__> damn
2015-09-27T02:54:22 < dongs> Laurenceb__: go buy that ebay link
2015-09-27T02:55:04 < Laurenceb__> no
2015-09-27T02:58:37 < dongs> and do a proper teardown
2015-09-27T03:15:11 < mtbg> multiply
2015-09-27T03:15:16 < mtbg> oops
2015-09-27T03:15:18 < mtbg> wrong window
2015-09-27T03:15:24 < upgrdman> decimad, wow, yeeyul is awesome! gotta try that. any other good eclipse tips?
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2015-09-27T04:27:29 < zyp> dongs, haha, a guy is saying «my three-pin cables didn't fit your four-pin sockets, so I made a workaround» http://i.imgur.com/vlfN7e4.jpg
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2015-09-27T04:30:17 < karlp> that's retty gross!
2015-09-27T04:30:55 < zyp> yeah
2015-09-27T04:31:49 < zyp> but eh, for a temporary workaround it works
2015-09-27T04:33:31 < PeterM> wut
2015-09-27T04:42:15 < ColdKeyboard> Did anyone use http://blog.diyembedded.com/2007/06/tutorials-1-3-for-pic-completed.html this library for nRF and Microchip?
2015-09-27T04:42:34 < ColdKeyboard> I can't seem to find a decent library that works with nRF24L01 and Microchip PIC16F series
2015-09-27T04:42:55 < zyp> uh
2015-09-27T04:43:07 < zyp> are you seriously doing pic16 in 2015?
2015-09-27T04:44:03 < aandrew> there are lots of PIC16s used today
2015-09-27T04:44:10 < aandrew> they're cheap and moderately powerful
2015-09-27T04:46:44 < ColdKeyboard> Do you have a nRF24 library to recommend that works with PIC16F?
2015-09-27T04:46:57 < ColdKeyboard> Or with XC8 compiler
2015-09-27T04:47:11 < zyp> I don't think anybody asking on irc about libraries and tutorials are dealing with quantities where the price difference would in any way matter
2015-09-27T04:47:38 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: not offhand, but you should be able to easily port any C library
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2015-09-27T04:47:59 < aandrew> zyp: that's a valid point
2015-09-27T04:48:33 < ColdKeyboard> zyp: Maybe it's about accessibility
2015-09-27T04:48:40 < zyp> and even for a new design, I don't think the price point is enough to make up for the lack of support by modern tools
2015-09-27T04:49:00 < zyp> ColdKeyboard, accessibility? why don't you use something that's actually accessible then?
2015-09-27T04:49:01 < ColdKeyboard> I had to wait for 2months for STM32F103 to arrive
2015-09-27T04:49:09 < karlp> pretty sure you're not going to get much pic help here dude
2015-09-27T04:49:30 < ColdKeyboard> karlp: I know, I asked in STM32 instead of electronics :)
2015-09-27T04:50:16 < ColdKeyboard> Anyway, I have a great dificulity getting newer chips here in Serbia...
2015-09-27T04:50:30 < ColdKeyboard> Thankfully I'm moving to Canada next year :)
2015-09-27T04:51:08 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: really? where in Canada?
2015-09-27T04:51:25 < ColdKeyboard> aandrew: Toronto :)
2015-09-27T04:51:32 < aandrew> nice, I'm about an hr away
2015-09-27T04:51:36 < aandrew> I'm in Kitchener
2015-09-27T04:51:46 < zyp> cool, then you could start a pic club ;)
2015-09-27T04:51:50 < ColdKeyboard> Awesome
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2015-09-27T04:52:11 < ColdKeyboard> zyp: yea ;)
2015-09-27T04:52:21 < aandrew> lol
2015-09-27T04:52:26 < aandrew> there are still tons of pics used
2015-09-27T04:52:34 < zyp> no, seriously, spend your time learning modern chips
2015-09-27T04:52:41 < aandrew> but I agree, paying for a compiler in 2015 is ridiculous
2015-09-27T04:53:04 < aandrew> having proprietary screwy tools such as MPLAB and PicKit3 in 2015 is stupid
2015-09-27T04:53:27 < ColdKeyboard> I agree. However I'm "forced" to use this particular chip :\
2015-09-27T04:53:27 < aandrew> Microchip has spent a pile of money trying to create this ecosystem but ARM is killing them
2015-09-27T04:53:34 < zyp> idk, people still pay for armcc/keil/etc
2015-09-27T04:53:38 < aandrew> AVR is in the same boat, but at least their compiler is free
2015-09-27T04:53:53 < zyp> well
2015-09-27T04:53:53 < aandrew> zyp: yes, we call those people idiots :-)
2015-09-27T04:54:16 < ColdKeyboard> Microchip also has free compilers but they are really crappy
2015-09-27T04:54:24 < zyp> the problem about pic is that the arcitecture is outdated and doesn't really apply well to C
2015-09-27T04:54:33 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: yes, they disable optimization
2015-09-27T04:54:48 < aandrew> zyp: well PIC12 maybe. PIC18/24 are absolutely geared to C
2015-09-27T04:54:52 < zyp> banked memory is shit to deal with
2015-09-27T04:54:55 < ColdKeyboard> And I think (hope) Microchip and Atmel will be pushed out of the market completely by ARM
2015-09-27T04:55:06 < aandrew> my first professional design was on a PIC16C74A
2015-09-27T04:55:16 < aandrew> went from C74A -> F77 -> F877
2015-09-27T04:55:29 < ColdKeyboard> By the chip I'm guessing that was a long time ago? :)
2015-09-27T04:55:45 < aandrew> that particular product ended up being 65% of the company's sales. not bad for a 19yo kid's first project :-)
2015-09-27T04:55:53 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: yes, this was 1996ish
2015-09-27T04:56:04 < ColdKeyboard> :)
2015-09-27T04:56:23 < aandrew> now my oldest child is 20. a long time ahs passed :-)
2015-09-27T04:57:03 < ColdKeyboard> Time flies :)
2015-09-27T04:58:02 < zyp> there's multiple reasons pic was a bad fit for C; banked memory, only one working register, dedicated call stack…
2015-09-27T04:58:08 < aandrew> yep
2015-09-27T04:58:16 < aandrew> that product was written in assembly
2015-09-27T04:58:17 < ColdKeyboard> The main reason why I'm "lazy" and don't make my own nRF library for PIC is because I'm not planning on using them after this project :)
2015-09-27T04:58:31 < aandrew> monitor three phase voltage/current, phase angle fire, display/kb mux, etc.
2015-09-27T04:58:40 < aandrew> it was a busy little fucker
2015-09-27T04:59:10 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: you shoudl be able to find a nice nrf24l01+ lib on github and just port the hw access
2015-09-27T05:00:09 < ColdKeyboard> I tried porting Maniacbug's library from GitHub but I was stuck in the middle of the process
2015-09-27T05:01:06 < zyp> why do you even need a lib? isn't nrf24 so simple that you can use it directly?
2015-09-27T05:01:58 < zyp> I mean, grab a header file with definitions if you don't want to write them yourself
2015-09-27T05:02:20 < zyp> but the package structure and shit is really simple, no?
2015-09-27T05:02:47 < ColdKeyboard> Yes it is. However I was trying to avoid writing my own library but at this point it seems inevitable
2015-09-27T05:17:06 < Roklobsta> ColdKeyboard: there is room for low power 8 bit cpus
2015-09-27T05:17:29 < Roklobsta> the days of big atmegas are numbered though
2015-09-27T05:29:40 < zyp> idk, they don't really seem to have much of an advantage over small cortex-m0s
2015-09-27T05:30:29 < mtbg> they mine bitcoins faster than pi
2015-09-27T05:35:56 < upgrdman> so i replaced my portable air conditioned with a dual-hose ac (more efficient) and thought i'd take apart my old ac to save it's compressor for later use. then i realized that the air filter only filtered the cold-side air. wtf. no wonder this unit was shit.  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/portable_air_conditioner.jpg
2015-09-27T05:38:46 < upgrdman> also, any idea why there's rust "dripping" from the copper tubes on the upper radiator? it should just be copper and aluminum, right? they don't rust like that?
2015-09-27T05:44:42 < PeterM> the housing might be made of a thin sheet of galvanized steel or tin
2015-09-27T05:45:06 < PeterM> the radiator housing that surrounds the core that is
2015-09-27T05:45:39 < PeterM> are you just going to keep the compressor  or you going to keep the heat exchangers/radiators too?
2015-09-27T05:47:01 < upgrdman> well for now im planning to keep the comp and radiators.
2015-09-27T05:47:37 < upgrdman> i'd toss the radiators, but i dont want to vent the refridgerant. i have no backyard or garage... so i'd have to vent it to my living room :/
2015-09-27T05:47:55 < upgrdman> or piss off my neighbors and vent it in our hallway :)
2015-09-27T05:48:08 < PeterM> you can use the radiators/jheat exchangers with water, jsut gotta load the water with anti corrosion stuff and use demineralized/diionized water
2015-09-27T05:48:49 < upgrdman> copper doesn't like water?
2015-09-27T05:49:27 < PeterM> when used with dissimilar metals in a closed loop it can corrode very quickly
2015-09-27T05:50:05 < upgrdman> but the dis. metals are on the outside of the copper tube, no?
2015-09-27T05:50:09 < PeterM> also, to vnt it, you coulkd cut the capillary line and feed it out a window or something?
2015-09-27T05:50:19 < upgrdman> good idea
2015-09-27T05:50:39 < PeterM> i mean if you use it to cool say a aluminium waterblock, or a copper waterblock but with nickle plated ifttings etc
2015-09-27T05:50:58 < upgrdman> oh ok
2015-09-27T05:51:12 < upgrdman> what if i couple to the copper coil with silicone tubing? then no problem?
2015-09-27T05:53:07 < PeterM> if you still have dissimilar metals and you dont use deionized water and or anti corrosion stuff, the water is slightly conductive and you get slight electrolytic corrosion, dissolving mroe ions into the water makeing it more conductive making everythign worse
2015-09-27T05:53:21 < PeterM> if its jsut copper and silicone tubing and water you're fine though
2015-09-27T05:53:34 < upgrdman> ok. TIL. thanks.
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2015-09-27T06:08:28 < ds2> Use ceramics!
2015-09-27T06:16:34 < upgrdman> safe use of ladders:  http://i.imgur.com/thUeuGt.gifv
2015-09-27T06:16:42 < upgrdman> ds2, ceramic what?
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2015-09-27T06:21:21 < ds2> ceramic radiators
2015-09-27T06:21:27 < ds2> it should avoid the elctrolytic problems
2015-09-27T06:23:45 < upgrdman> ya but these are free
2015-09-27T06:24:12 < upgrdman> and i dont really even have a need for them. but who know what kind of shenanegans i will be up to in a few years
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2015-09-27T07:41:31 < upgrdman> pulls some caps from that air conditioner of mine. is this huge soda-can size cap an "X" cap?  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/air_conditioner_capacitors.jpg
2015-09-27T07:42:44 < ReadError> hit it with a screwdriver
2015-09-27T07:42:46 < ReadError> for science!
2015-09-27T07:43:46 < upgrdman> its drained
2015-09-27T07:44:01 < upgrdman> things been unplugged for half a year.
2015-09-27T07:44:08 < ReadError> aww
2015-09-27T07:44:15 < ReadError> that one guy on youtube would have done it
2015-09-27T07:44:19 < PeterM> no
2015-09-27T07:44:21 < ReadError> with his tongue
2015-09-27T07:44:27 < upgrdman> mehdi? ya
2015-09-27T07:44:35 < ReadError> ya him
2015-09-27T07:45:02 < PeterM> the box caps are "run capacitors" and the big electro is a start capacitor
2015-09-27T07:45:34 < upgrdman> can either of them handle high ripple currents?
2015-09-27T07:46:09 < PeterM> the run caps, yeah, a bit
2015-09-27T07:46:26 < upgrdman> guess i could try them on my little induction heater
2015-09-27T07:46:34 < upgrdman> approx 30A ripple current
2015-09-27T07:47:07 < PeterM> they'll probably handle it better than the tiny cerams
2015-09-27T07:47:10 < PeterM> but not  much
2015-09-27T07:48:12 < upgrdman> and, you said the can one is electro? but its an AC cap...
2015-09-27T07:48:58 < PeterM> you can get  non polarized electros
2015-09-27T07:49:19 < upgrdman> oh ya. i think i have some little ones from NTE.
2015-09-27T07:49:43 < upgrdman> so is it so big for 250V 60uF ?
2015-09-27T07:49:47 < upgrdman> so why is it*
2015-09-27T07:50:35 < PeterM> because its nonpolarized
2015-09-27T07:51:49 < PeterM> the little oens are designed to be connected practically accross the mains for teh entire motors life
2015-09-27T07:52:02 < PeterM> the big one is jsut there to provide extra torque during starting
2015-09-27T07:53:28 < upgrdman> and puts caps across mains is to reduce emi?
2015-09-27T07:54:54 < PeterM> they ac couple a second winding on the motor to provide an out of phase voltage to ti
2015-09-27T07:55:28 < PeterM> so it is essentially accross the mains
2015-09-27T07:58:32 < PeterM> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_capacitor
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2015-09-27T08:29:10 < upgrdman> just measured the 10uF 250V run cap with my LCR meter. supposedly just 24mOhm of ESR. holy shit that's low. even my SMPS-rated ceramics are 120mOhm
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2015-09-27T08:41:08 < PeterM> upgrdman, iirc they have higher ESL though because of lead length and end caps etc
2015-09-27T08:41:32 < upgrdman> mmm
2015-09-27T08:41:50 < upgrdman> wonder how they will tolerate 40 - 90 kHz
2015-09-27T08:41:58 < upgrdman> guess there's only one way to find out for sure
2015-09-27T08:42:58 < PeterM> oh, 40-90khz should be nothing
2015-09-27T08:44:18 < upgrdman> yay
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2015-09-27T10:31:08 < Fleck> is it good idea to configure systicktimer to micros not millis (millis is def for cube hal)
2015-09-27T10:34:02 < Fleck> I should probably look at systick interrupt handler, what's going on there...
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2015-09-27T11:17:28 < jpa-> Fleck: use whatever is useful for your application
2015-09-27T11:17:58 < jpa-> i wish more rtoses provided microsecond counter and the ability to schedule callbacks to microsecond accuracy
2015-09-27T11:18:04 < jpa-> way too many have this boring "tick" thing
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2015-09-27T11:26:41 < decimad> jpa- it's enough to get the boring stuff running quickly, and then there's hardware support to do the nifty stuff
2015-09-27T11:29:43 < jpa-> yet only a bit more advanced timer api does a lot more for even the nifty stuff
2015-09-27T11:31:08 < decimad> but it will still not suffice for all cases... iirc chibios introduced tickless and high precision timers... but it's not worth the change in licensing imho
2015-09-27T11:31:44 < jpa-> i don't really like how the chibios high precision timers were done
2015-09-27T11:32:31 < decimad> the os vendors can't know that I don't want high precision timing using systick or something, i need scheduling by the ptp clock...
2015-09-27T11:33:25 < jpa-> at one work project i have simply      typedef uint64_t systime_t; systime_t get_systime(); void schedule_callback(systime_t time, void (*callback)(void*), void* arg);
2015-09-27T11:33:49 < jpa-> at the same time also gets rid of annoying bugs that occur when uint32_t counters overflow
2015-09-27T11:34:54 < jpa-> actually i think it is    typedef int64_t systime_t;   to get rid of annoying comparison bugs also
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2015-09-27T12:47:33 < dongs> REALITY UPDATE... Torqing Group thinks they can use you to retire thru Kickstarter. They are sending you a plastic paper weight and will want to call it quits as soon as you open the package. I was told by a Torquing group rep that if I opened the package that I couldn't return it.
2015-09-27T12:47:38 < dongs> Anyone that has invested in this Kickstarter needs to understand that they have just one chance to get a refund.
2015-09-27T12:47:41 < dongs> DON'T OPEN THE PACKAGE THAT YOU ARE SENT. JUST RETURN IT FOR A FULL REFUND!
2015-09-27T12:47:44 < dongs> IF YOU OPEN IT THEN YOU LOSE!!!
2015-09-27T12:49:17 < dongs> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181884066556?ul_noapp=true zero bids, still have time!
2015-09-27T12:52:18 < Roklobsta> Another one for the "Dongs' Great Book of I Fucking Told You So".
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2015-09-27T13:00:01 < Roklobsta> 400 squid for that.  No thanks.
2015-09-27T13:08:01 < Sync> seems like a good price
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2015-09-27T13:42:00 < zyp> jpa-, I wish there were a cortex-m standard free running timer
2015-09-27T13:42:19 < zyp> systick is kinda unsuited for anything but ticking
2015-09-27T13:42:33 < dongs> zyp
2015-09-27T13:42:37 < dongs> do you remember that chink place we found
2015-09-27T13:42:41 < dongs> that had usb2 multiports -> usb3
2015-09-27T13:42:51 < dongs> some protocol converter shit
2015-09-27T13:43:00 < dongs> sysdick
2015-09-27T13:43:10 < zyp> uh
2015-09-27T13:43:25 < zyp> what?
2015-09-27T13:43:33 < dongs> like uh
2015-09-27T13:43:41 < dongs> it was some 4 or 6 port thing
2015-09-27T13:43:44 < dongs> that took 2.0 devices
2015-09-27T13:43:48 < dongs> and trunked them over usb 3
2015-09-27T13:43:53 < dongs> instead of you know
2015-09-27T13:43:56 < dongs> doing it the super dumb way in 3.0
2015-09-27T13:44:01 < dongs> and just having usb2 hub on the 2.0 pins
2015-09-27T13:44:24 < zyp> oh, right
2015-09-27T13:44:35 < zyp> is that even supported by the protocol?
2015-09-27T13:44:45 < jpa-> zyp: hm, systick seems suitable for other stuff also, if handled carefully
2015-09-27T13:44:54 < zyp> or was it a full EHCD that happened to be connected over usb3?
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2015-09-27T13:45:44 < dongs> i even emailed hte chinks
2015-09-27T13:45:47 < dongs> and i cant find that sent mail
2015-09-27T13:46:30 < zyp> jpa-, well, you can use it as «interrupt me in n cycles»
2015-09-27T13:47:15 < zyp> but then you can't really use it as an accurate way to tell how much time passed
2015-09-27T13:47:31 < zyp> because you're losing accuracy every time you change the timeout
2015-09-27T13:47:46 < jpa-> ah, right
2015-09-27T13:47:59 < jpa-> preload missing
2015-09-27T13:48:29 < zyp> a free running upcounting timer with a separate deadline register would be much more appropriate
2015-09-27T13:48:41 < jpa-> could use DWT as the "how much time passed" separately, though
2015-09-27T13:48:43 < zyp> i.e. any other timer with a compare channel
2015-09-27T13:48:54 < zyp> sure, assuming you have DWT
2015-09-27T13:48:59 < jpa-> yea
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2015-09-27T13:49:15 < zyp> and accepts the power consumption of enabling the DWT
2015-09-27T13:49:17 < jpa-> with other timers on STM32 it is annoying that so many of them are only 16 bit
2015-09-27T13:49:27 < zyp> IIRC somebody measured it and found it was significant
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2015-09-27T15:14:06 < jpa-> any idea how much reverse polarity can typical li-ion protection chips take?
2015-09-27T15:15:26 < PeterM> no idea, but i'd guess 4.2v would be 100% safe
2015-09-27T15:15:53 < jpa-> so at most 2S pack?
2015-09-27T15:16:37 < jpa-> i'm planning to add schottkys in parallel in my 10S pack so that the protection circuits can still do their job - but it's annoying having to have one pretty beefy diode per cell
2015-09-27T15:16:52 < jpa-> perhaps i should look into more complex whole-pack protection chips
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2015-09-27T15:25:17 < PeterM> what are you tryign to protect? your 10s pack from someone stickign the charger on it backwards?
2015-09-27T15:25:44 < jpa-> 10S pack from one cell failing
2015-09-27T15:25:51 < PeterM> ahhh
2015-09-27T15:26:04 < jpa-> if a cell fails, protection circuit will disconnect => instant -40V over protection circuit => funny stuff
2015-09-27T15:26:50 < PeterM> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/677635/battery_monitor_reva.pdf could do somethign liekthis
2015-09-27T15:29:35 < jpa-> yeah, i guess i'll have to have custom pack-level protection instead of the premade per-cell protection
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2015-09-27T15:35:47 < PeterM> jpa-, what is the end application for this 10S pack?
2015-09-27T15:35:55 < jpa-> ebike
2015-09-27T15:36:03 < PeterM> ahhh
2015-09-27T15:36:22 < PeterM> in that case i'd most vertainly want pack level protection
2015-09-27T15:36:34 < jpa-> why?
2015-09-27T15:37:09 < PeterM> because if you drop a cell and bypass it with a diode you could not know it until you ahve a ball of fire between your legs
2015-09-27T15:37:38 < jpa-> why would it fire up in that situation?
2015-09-27T15:37:51 < jpa-> the per-cell protection circuit would have disconnected it anyway
2015-09-27T15:38:34 < PeterM> the cell could have in internal short or something, but you wouldnt know because it would be bypassed, you keep riding, you get a fire between your legs
2015-09-27T15:39:10 < jpa-> so in alternative case, the controller shuts down and i do what to prevent the fire?
2015-09-27T15:39:50 < PeterM> get off teh bike, unplug the pack and remove it from the bike? you still ahev a fire but your bike isn't part of it
2015-09-27T15:40:10 < jpa-> any ideas about handling cell internal failures would be very welcome - i'm not that worried about fire while biking, but fire while charging would not be nice
2015-09-27T15:40:55 < jpa-> it's not like i'll leave the battery pack on the roadside, nor skip work for the day - so it'll be on my bike anyway
2015-09-27T15:45:44 < PeterM> i dunno, i feel that if all the cells have experiencedthe same lifetime conditions and one from the pack fails, fuck it, the pack is dead to me
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2015-09-27T15:46:39 < jpa-> that's not really true, single-cell early failures are quite common
2015-09-27T15:46:59 < jpa-> and not like i could leave a potential fire hazard there, no matter if it is complete trash
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2015-09-27T15:47:45 < ReadError> jpa- protected 18650s?
2015-09-27T15:48:10 < jpa-> ReadError: yeah, 18650s, either protected cells or unprotected if i go for pack-level protection
2015-09-27T15:48:41 < ReadError> if they are protected that makes things easy
2015-09-27T15:48:42 < PeterM> yeah, its part of the bathtub curve, if the cells dies at the beginning, thats kinda OK, but if a cell dies after a while, thats not OK at all
2015-09-27T15:48:42 < jpa-> not really point wasting 60mohm series resistance on per-cell protection if it cannot work anyway due to reverse voltage
2015-09-27T15:49:22 < jpa-> ReadError: no, it does not - because the cell protection fails immediately because it gets -40V over it after it disconnects
2015-09-27T15:50:33 < jpa-> PeterM: yeah, well whether to replace all or only some is a thing to be considered when the failures happen - but protecting against them is something i need to figure out first :P
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2015-09-27T16:04:24 < jpa-> unless i go lifepo4.. hmm
2015-09-27T16:05:53 < jpa-> http://www.litrade.de/shop/Akkus-Zubehoer/LiFePO4-Rundzellen-Headway-etc/Headway-10Ah-3-3V-LiFePo4-38-120S.html   not bad price actually
2015-09-27T16:13:53 < jpa-> a bit heavy though
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2015-09-27T16:27:07 < Sync> I always wanted to make an electric gokart but the chinese 3phase motors still are pretty spendy if you want 20kW+ per motor
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2015-09-27T16:45:59 < jpa-> or maybe i'll just buy a premade chinese pack :P
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2015-09-27T16:58:03 < dongs> PeterM: wat is that orcad schematic
2015-09-27T17:00:50 < dongs> jpa, wat are yo udoing wiht 10s
2015-09-27T17:03:09 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEutBkgB1yA how useless
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2015-09-27T17:07:02 < GargantuaSauce> still no onboard footage eh
2015-09-27T17:07:13 < GargantuaSauce> (from them i mean)
2015-09-27T17:07:48 < dongs> https://youtu.be/1zoDcuun0D0?t=38
2015-09-27T17:07:49 < dongs> here you go
2015-09-27T17:08:05 < dongs> they have a "flight school" for a "drone" that needed "no flight training"
2015-09-27T17:09:14 < Sync> dat rolling shutter
2015-09-27T17:09:16 < dongs> laggy  like 5fps shit
2015-09-27T17:09:45 < dongs> you can see shutter? I just see lagged shitvideo
2015-09-27T17:10:00 < Sync> in the first video
2015-09-27T17:10:05 < dongs> o
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2015-09-27T17:13:09 < dongs> also zano seems to have no yaw
2015-09-27T17:13:22 < dongs> maybe they didnt figure out how to do that yet
2015-09-27T17:17:57 < dongs> Capture stunning 480p and 720p footage and 5 megapixel stills with ZANOs onboard HD video camera.1080p coming soon!
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2015-09-27T18:07:44 < dongs> zyp, let's clone iQuicky but do it right
2015-09-27T18:07:48 < dongs> and dickstartr
2015-09-27T18:08:13 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1142760001/iqiki
2015-09-27T18:11:30 < ReadError> cuz its selling so well
2015-09-27T18:12:58 < dongs> its not selling cuz its retarded
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2015-09-27T18:15:51 < Sync> the fuck is that shit
2015-09-27T18:18:02 < chris_99> they could have at least used RGB leds
2015-09-27T18:18:11 < dongs> that was my first suggestion
2015-09-27T18:21:51 < ReadError> still seems useless
2015-09-27T18:23:04 < chris_99> it took them 6 months and 12 people to make it according to the video
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2015-09-27T18:30:03 < decimad> but damnit, it uses leds!
2015-09-27T18:30:06 < decimad> leds guys!
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2015-09-27T18:54:15 < dongs> I just watched the flyzano flight school videos. One thing I noticed was that the stream between zano and the phone was pretty laggy, is there a way to improve this or will it improve in time? I'm assuming the lower quality the video the better the streamI just watched the flyzano flight school videos. One thing I noticed was that the stream between zano and the phone was pretty laggy, is there a way to improve this or will it improve in time? I'm assuming the lower 
2015-09-27T19:05:15 < zyp> what advantages is iqiki supposed to have over smartwatches?
2015-09-27T19:05:30 < dongs> its dumber than a swmartwatch
2015-09-27T19:05:37 < zyp> exactly
2015-09-27T19:06:08 < zyp> my smartwatch can do anything that can do, in addition to telling time
2015-09-27T19:06:33 < zyp> oh, and telling me exactly what message I got, just not what importance it has
2015-09-27T19:06:45 < dongs> im still banned from reece_crowther twatter :(
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2015-09-27T19:36:44 < upgrdman> zyp, what the difference between a "free running timer" and systick?
2015-09-27T19:37:41 < zyp> systick is a downcounting timer, starting at the interval and counting down to 0
2015-09-27T19:38:06 < zyp> a free running timer is a timer that runs continously to wraparound, independent of the target
2015-09-27T19:38:29 < zyp> and then you have a separate deadline register to match against
2015-09-27T19:39:20 < upgrdman> so free running can interupt you at the deadline, but keep running like normal in the background?
2015-09-27T19:39:29 < zyp> yes
2015-09-27T19:39:44 < upgrdman> ok thx
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2015-09-27T19:40:41 < zyp> the counter register will contain the low part of the system time, so you can reference any deadline against that
2015-09-27T19:41:37 < zyp> it's pretty hard to use systick in a tickless manner
2015-09-27T19:46:22 < dongs> The Zano's ability to stop in mid-air and hold its position and then return to home at the tap of a button is really impressive ... or would have been had they shown that. Instead I see a drone that is LESS capable than the $50 toy on my desk. I have a very bad feeling about this.
2015-09-27T19:52:33 < Steffanx> lol you even updated http://noflyzano.com/ dongs. :D
2015-09-27T19:52:52 < Steffanx> Not sure why im surprised
2015-09-27T19:54:03 < jpa-> the video looks like it is cut always at the point where the zano crashes somewhere :P
2015-09-27T19:56:02 < dongs> the one with zano not yawing?
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2015-09-27T20:55:25 < karlp> bleh, stupid people post kicad sources but not just a straight pdf of the schematic
2015-09-27T20:56:31 < Steffanx> kicad is free to download, so who needs a pdf? :P
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2015-09-27T20:57:19 < Steffanx> kicad even has a pretty clear website nowadays
2015-09-27T21:00:58 < DanteA> Still not comfortable
2015-09-27T21:01:31 < DanteA> I need to download one more useless software
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2015-09-27T21:08:27 < kakimir> who said useless?
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2015-09-27T21:21:38 < jpa-> not like kicad schematics will even open if you open it
2015-09-27T21:22:15 < Tectu> jpa- bitchin´ about schematics editors again? :)
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2015-09-27T21:29:40 < upgrdman> kakimir, its useful for someone who just want to see a fucking schematic
2015-09-27T21:29:45 < upgrdman> err useLESS
2015-09-27T21:30:05 < upgrdman> ya. wtf. schematics as pdf or jpg (if one page) are so much better
2015-09-27T21:37:20 < karlp> especially when the tarball contains files like "kicad-broken" and "blah.bak" and "kicad-new" and shit
2015-09-27T21:37:37 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-27T21:38:20 < decimad> kicad uses shouting classes
2015-09-27T21:38:27 < decimad> and avoids namespaces
2015-09-27T21:38:58 < decimad> Hey, I'm a KICAD_CLASS
2015-09-27T21:40:14 < decimad> I really wanted to add an instancing facility to it... but I could just not do it... constant friction...
2015-09-27T21:40:16 < ReadError> i remembered I tried to find a copy of kicad for windows
2015-09-27T21:40:20 < ReadError> it wasnt trivial
2015-09-27T21:40:55 < decimad> it looks to me as if it started by some engineer who wasn't really a good coder...
2015-09-27T21:41:08 < ReadError> ole dick
2015-09-27T21:41:22 < BrainDamage> isn't that the usual pattern tough?
2015-09-27T21:41:37 < BrainDamage> like you need a specialized software and you make it for yoursel
2015-09-27T21:42:13 < karlp> https://www.own-mailbox.com/src/Own-Mailbox2.tar.gz if anyone's super keen on making a pdf and commenting onit :)
2015-09-27T21:42:43 < decimad> sure... it's just like they missed so many opportunities to refactor the basic stuff, that now everything depends on that
2015-09-27T21:43:39 < decimad> You can't go in there as a developer and improve a tiny bit... it bleeds through the whole source
2015-09-27T21:44:38 < BrainDamage> that lovely schematic references libs with absolute paths to the home dir of the author
2015-09-27T21:44:39 < BrainDamage> a++
2015-09-27T21:44:50 < decimad> Do you know a pcb software which supports instancing circuits and schematics comfortably?
2015-09-27T21:45:09 < decimad> not even eagle can do it, i believe...
2015-09-27T21:45:20 < zyp> «not even»?
2015-09-27T21:45:36 < zyp> eagle isn't particularly advanced
2015-09-27T21:45:45 < decimad> well, they charge a price, that's what I mean
2015-09-27T21:46:05 < decimad> so I guess you need to go 4 digits for such a basic functionality any normal coder would implement right away?
2015-09-27T21:46:23 < zyp> altium lets you do hierarchical schematics with instances of sub-schematics
2015-09-27T21:46:30 < zyp> but I'm not sure how comfortable it is
2015-09-27T21:46:38 < zyp> haven't used it myself yet
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2015-09-27T22:09:57 < karlp> decimad: what do you mean by "instancing" circuits?
2015-09-27T22:10:54 < decimad> it might be a c++ish term... I'm saying "declare a template" and replicate it n times with instanced net names
2015-09-27T22:11:53 < karlp> that's what I thought.
2015-09-27T22:12:11 < karlp> while it's probably nice, it's not really number 1 list of must have features
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2015-09-27T22:14:20 < decimad> could have saved me a few hours... which were spent by either rerouting the same thing twice or looking through some scripted tools which try to achieve this
2015-09-27T22:15:46 < decimad> so I was thinking, yay, you could implement that in kicad... and then I saw kicads source
2015-09-27T22:16:36 < Steffanx> when was that decimad?
2015-09-27T22:16:43 < decimad> last winter
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2015-09-28T00:32:00 < kakimir> how is projects guys
2015-09-28T00:33:34 < karlp> receiving take downs...
2015-09-28T00:34:12  * [7] just tossed his PCB design into the trash and started over
2015-09-28T00:35:11 < [7]> why do microsd cards have to be so huge! :P
2015-09-28T00:36:47 < Roklobsta> you need femtosd
2015-09-28T00:37:00 < PeterM> i wonder how practical it would be so mount a micro sd card dfn style
2015-09-28T00:37:22 < [7]> might actually work with reflow
2015-09-28T00:37:41 < [7]> but I guess you can't hand solder such a thing ;)
2015-09-28T00:37:53 < [7]> the pads don't extend all the way to the edge
2015-09-28T00:38:48 < karlp> PeterM: I've seen it done, on hackaday even iirc.
2015-09-28T00:39:14 < PeterM> karlp in that case i'd forget aboutit and jsut use a socket
2015-09-28T00:41:26 < karlp> tell 7, I have a socket on my project with a uSD card :)
2015-09-28T00:55:35 < [7]> yeah I have as well, but it's blocking a bit more PCB area than I'd like it to...
2015-09-28T00:56:11 < [7]> especially if you want to make a board that plugs into a breadboard with two rows of pin headers, a microsd slot can become a limiting factor rather quickly
2015-09-28T00:56:39 < [7]> I'm basically locked into 700 mils of width
2015-09-28T00:59:36 < upgrdman> so stand the card up on end and solder it?
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2015-09-28T00:59:45 < upgrdman> so you get solder fillets
2015-09-28T01:00:15 < englishman> just use another arduino shield on top with sdcard
2015-09-28T01:00:31 < upgrdman> ^ this too
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2015-09-28T01:05:50 < [7]> probably easier to fix it by just adding more layers to the board, but I want to keep the cost down as well
2015-09-28T01:06:10 < [7]> the finished kits should be as affordable as possible ;)
2015-09-28T01:06:25 < [7]> like $5 in parts or something
2015-09-28T01:11:50 < karlp> there's those sd card slots that are only the very edge,
2015-09-28T01:12:05 < karlp> super fragile though, wouldn't want to put it in a kit for breadboarding
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2015-09-28T02:15:15 < zyp> [7], route a cut into your board, add pads at the edge, then stick the card into the cut and solder it in with 90deg joints :D
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2015-09-28T02:17:00 < zyp> or simply just use smt headers towards the breadboard so you keep the top area free for the socket
2015-09-28T02:17:49 < zyp> or extend the board past the headers in one end and add the socket
2015-09-28T02:17:52 < zyp> lots of solutions
2015-09-28T02:18:12 < zyp> you can even keep headers on one side, just remove them from the other, it doesn't have to be symmetric
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2015-09-28T03:27:48 < dongs> http://www.twitch.tv/archinaavata/v/18014809?t=1h58m20s wacky germans
2015-09-28T03:28:21 < dongs> < PeterM> i wonder how practical it would be so mount a micro sd card dfn style
2015-09-28T03:28:24 < dongs> comeon
2015-09-28T03:28:29 < dongs> this was even on dick-a-day few weeks ago
2015-09-28T03:28:47 < dongs> http://hackaday.com/2015/08/18/reflow-solder-your-micro-sd-to-ensure-it-doesnt-go-anywhere/
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2015-09-28T04:05:14 < talsit> how do you make a component like a shielding can in altium without causing hell with the design rules violations?
2015-09-28T04:11:03 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1622875428/the-knob-gobbler
2015-09-28T04:11:32 < dongs> which violations are yougetting?
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2015-09-28T04:11:50 < mtbg> seen the moon?
2015-09-28T04:12:26 < dongs> wasnt available in azn
2015-09-28T04:13:27 < dongs> talsit: i have components like this: http://i.imgur.com/v4MaouH.png
2015-09-28T04:13:56 < dongs> top copper region for the outline, and pads for solder tabs
2015-09-28T04:20:15 < upgrdman> dongs, that "knob gobbler" actually looks somewhat useful, if retarded
2015-09-28T04:26:39 < dongs> sure
2015-09-28T04:26:43 < dongs> the namae is teh best part tho
2015-09-28T04:26:49 < dongs> name, too
2015-09-28T04:27:10 < dongs> made in usa tho, they've fucked themselves out of ever makign any profit
2015-09-28T04:28:12 < talsit> dongs: so, no mech13,mech15 layers?
2015-09-28T04:28:38 < dongs> for what?
2015-09-28T04:28:56 < dongs> i sometimes put a translucent rectangle on it for 3d purposes
2015-09-28T04:28:59 < dongs> i didnt on that one
2015-09-28T04:33:00 < talsit> just asking
2015-09-28T04:33:20 < talsit> the mech15 layer seems to be the one over which altium chucks a hissy fit
2015-09-28T04:34:23 < dongs> er,, why would it be?
2015-09-28T04:34:29 < dongs> unless you wr ote a rule for it
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2015-09-28T04:34:54 < dongs> also '15' is absolutely arbitrary, you can rename them to whatever you want
2015-09-28T04:35:01 < dongs> i dont think any of my designs even use m15
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2015-09-28T04:36:31 < dongs> do you import stuff from some other cad?
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2015-09-28T04:36:44 < dongs> or how do you end up with shitty rules / shit parts with mechanical15 on it
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2015-09-28T04:36:58 < talsit> don't import
2015-09-28T04:37:04 < talsit> but i must be doing something
2015-09-28T04:37:25 < talsit> the default rules basically chuck the hissy fit because it claims of component overlap
2015-09-28T04:37:55 < dongs> if you actually care aboiut that, make a new overlap rule InComponent(YourSHieldThing) and set clerance to 0/0
2015-09-28T04:38:01 < dongs> or else just set clearance to 0
2015-09-28T04:38:35 < talsit> i care because it's bloody annoying: https://www.dropbox.com/s/guvgerqvv2y3bok/Screenshot%202015-09-25%2018.09.05.png?dl=0
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2015-09-28T04:41:13 < gxti> i suggest giving it an actual 3d model, even if it's crude
2015-09-28T04:41:37 < dongs> talsit: you did it wrong then
2015-09-28T04:41:39 < gxti> any parts without a model are assumed to be infinitely tall, i think
2015-09-28T04:42:24 < talsit> gxti: will try that
2015-09-28T04:42:31 < dongs> the problem there is not model
2015-09-28T04:42:36 < talsit> dongs: i know, hence me asking like a n00b
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2015-09-28T04:43:50 < dongs> talsit: what is the exact violation there?
2015-09-28T04:44:02 < dongs> i dont see any actual pads connected to that outline
2015-09-28T04:44:06 < dongs> how are you connecting it to a net?
2015-09-28T04:44:23 < dongs> do you have some top-layer smt pads that arent visible?
2015-09-28T04:44:26 < talsit> component collision
2015-09-28T04:44:33 < talsit> not et
2015-09-28T04:44:35 < talsit> *yet
2015-09-28T04:44:39 < gxti> yeah that's a model problem, not anything electrical
2015-09-28T04:45:18 < dongs> gxti: wat woudl you do then.
2015-09-28T04:45:26 < gxti> make a model for the shield
2015-09-28T04:45:33 < talsit> just a simple extruded?
2015-09-28T04:45:39 < dongs> something more involved than just a slab?
2015-09-28T04:45:52 < gxti> something that doesn't occupy the middle part where the other components are
2015-09-28T04:45:55 < dongs> im thinking he means to make an actual shield model
2015-09-28T04:45:56 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-28T04:46:04 < gxti> you can do it with simple boxes
2015-09-28T04:46:10 < gxti> just draw 4 boxes over the 4 walls
2015-09-28T04:46:18 < dongs> an, right
2015-09-28T04:46:20 < dongs> and a box on top
2015-09-28T04:46:25 < dongs> to cover it up.
2015-09-28T04:46:31 < dongs> i suppose that might work.
2015-09-28T04:46:50 < gxti> optionally yeah
2015-09-28T04:47:15 < gxti> i'd probably leave it off so i can see what's under, but if you add it then you can do actually clearance checks
2015-09-28T04:47:27 < dongs> gxti: er, you can set transparency of extruded shit
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2015-09-28T04:47:29 < gxti> but until you add *some* model it's assuming the component is a solid box occupying that whole area
2015-09-28T04:47:30 < dongs> to like 20%
2015-09-28T04:47:32 < dongs> tehn you can stil lsee stuff
2015-09-28T04:47:32 < gxti> true
2015-09-28T04:47:50 < dongs> like i said other shield model i did, i just slapped a transparent rectangle over it.
2015-09-28T04:48:02 < dongs> but I usually just turn of fcomponent clearance rule
2015-09-28T04:49:24 < talsit> hey, that worked, cheers
2015-09-28T04:49:34 < talsit> just drew 4 walls
2015-09-28T04:49:37 < talsit> left the top off
2015-09-28T04:50:35 < talsit> i'll probably just make something in solidworks
2015-09-28T04:50:49 < talsit> but for the moment, it's 99.5% less annoying
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2015-09-28T06:40:45 < dongs> There are numerous variations of a joke which can be summarized as follows: A tour guide at a museum says a dinosaur skeleton is 100,000,005 years old, because an expert told him that it was 100 million years old when he started working there 5 years ago.
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2015-09-28T07:08:47 < upgrdman> re: p and n silicon... p means positive right? so it has fewer electrons than protons? and n means negative, so more elctrons than protons, right?
2015-09-28T07:10:04 < upgrdman> so would it be accurate to call them ions?
2015-09-28T07:10:17 < jpa-> not so sure it is about the amount of protons, more like space in the silicon crystal lattice
2015-09-28T07:10:22 < upgrdman> R2COM, what electronics?
2015-09-28T07:10:54 < upgrdman> no. im watching a video about cmos wafers
2015-09-28T07:11:19 < upgrdman> but that requires effort
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2015-09-28T07:18:45 < talsit> dongs: gxti: do you ever design multi-level boards? as in, main and daughterboard? with interconnects?
2015-09-28T07:18:53 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-28T07:18:58 < dongs> but i dont do it proper way
2015-09-28T07:19:06 < dongs> *(whatever the proper way is)
2015-09-28T07:19:16 < talsit> do you have 2 pcbDoc files?
2015-09-28T07:19:20 < dongs> nope
2015-09-28T07:19:25 < dongs> i dont thikn you can do that
2015-09-28T07:19:34 < talsit> yeah, that's what i'm seeing
2015-09-28T07:19:43 < talsit> how do you do it?
2015-09-28T07:19:59 < dongs> last thing i made that had a mainboard and extra shit on a plug in board, I just made pcbdoc L-shaped, drew a vcut on keepout layer, and then routed+etc it as normal.
2015-09-28T07:20:12 < talsit> i thought of doing as if it was flex boards
2015-09-28T07:20:25 < dongs> i havent poked wiht flex stuff on altidong at all
2015-09-28T07:20:29 < dongs> so i dont evne know how it works
2015-09-28T07:20:33 < talsit> and define bending areas and then just v-cut them off
2015-09-28T07:20:44 < talsit> me neither, just thought of that as an option
2015-09-28T07:20:59 < dongs> youre gonna end up having to "panel" your board anyway
2015-09-28T07:21:08 < gxti> nah i haven't done anything fancy, i just use separate projects
2015-09-28T07:21:24 < talsit> not yet - still only doing <10qty runs
2015-09-28T07:21:29 < dongs> no i mean
2015-09-28T07:21:42 < dongs> even flex, gerber export will be a single sheet right
2015-09-28T07:21:56 < talsit> yeah
2015-09-28T07:24:05 < talsit> so?
2015-09-28T07:24:17 < upgrdman> dongs, R2COM,  http://asset-a.soupcdn.com/asset/13639/5011_a1be.gif
2015-09-28T07:24:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/AWzkAxr.png
2015-09-28T07:24:30 < dongs> talsit: ^ thats wat i did, works 4 me
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2015-09-28T07:25:37 < dongs> right board stacks on left board.
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2015-09-28T07:50:53 < mtbg> ok, the eclipse is over
2015-09-28T07:51:02 < mtbg> my friend managed to make some photos
2015-09-28T07:51:03 < mtbg> http://obrazki.elektroda.pl/2852351200_1443413180.jpg http://obrazki.elektroda.pl/6545722900_1443413174.jpg http://obrazki.elektroda.pl/2644593800_1443413177.jpg http://obrazki.elektroda.pl/3437096900_1443413183.jpg
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2015-09-28T07:53:28 < dongs> nice
2015-09-28T07:53:34 < dongs> looks like the one i saw few yearsa go
2015-09-28T07:53:53 < jpa-> i wonder if it is the same moon
2015-09-28T07:54:00 < dongs> might be
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2015-09-28T08:07:17 < tylerdurden> Hi I am using a GSM module and controlling it with stm32l MCU but it goes to hardfault when call is made to GSM, i was assuming that it is due to interference. What might be the exact reason for this error??
2015-09-28T08:08:47 < tylerdurden> I checked the pins with the scope and the pin which i configured for led goes high whenever a voice call is made. Is this the reason for hardfaults?
2015-09-28T08:09:12 < jpa-> tylerdurden: what does the CFSR say as the reason for hardfault?
2015-09-28T08:09:28 < jpa-> what line does the debugger say the hardfault occurred on, does it vary?
2015-09-28T08:09:51 < jpa-> do you have any reason to rule out your software simply crashing?
2015-09-28T08:10:55 < tylerdurden> CFSR most of the time i got is as memmanage fault
2015-09-28T08:11:04 < tylerdurden> yes the line varies
2015-09-28T08:11:31 < tylerdurden> i am running a while(1) loop for testing and i made a voice call to the device and found that it goes to hardfault
2015-09-28T08:11:58 < jpa-> ok, so sounds like interference indeed
2015-09-28T08:12:37 < jpa-> how is your schematic and layout? do the modem and stm32 share power supplies?
2015-09-28T08:12:40 < tylerdurden> jpa--is there any way to make the pins not respond to the interference . some way to configure
2015-09-28T08:13:00 < tylerdurden> yes 3.7V battery is shared
2015-09-28T08:13:22 < jpa-> what is the internal resistance of battery? how much capacitors do you have and what ESR do they have?
2015-09-28T08:13:42 < jpa-> have you checked how the power rail looks on a fast scope?
2015-09-28T08:14:19 < jpa-> what is the drop-out voltage of your (3V? 3.3V?) ldo for the processor?
2015-09-28T08:14:31 < tylerdurden> No but i checked all the common grounds on the pcb and it fluctuates whenever a call is made
2015-09-28T08:14:42 < jpa-> fluctuates compared to what?
2015-09-28T08:14:44 < tylerdurden> its 3.3V .
2015-09-28T08:16:00 < tylerdurden> Initially the plot is stable when all common grounds are observed and as soon as call is made the voltage value goes to 200mV
2015-09-28T08:16:41 < jpa-> 200mV compared to what reference point?
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2015-09-28T08:17:39 < tylerdurden> 0V
2015-09-28T08:17:44 < tylerdurden> reference
2015-09-28T08:18:13 < jpa-> eh
2015-09-28T08:18:26 < tylerdurden> so i tried to shield the MCU with aluminium foil but no luck
2015-09-28T08:19:25 < jpa-> GND fluctuates by 200mV compared to 0V.. not sure how i should parse that :)
2015-09-28T08:19:49 < talsit> 0V != GND?
2015-09-28T08:20:11 < jpa-> do you have a solid ground plane? if not, is the GSM power supply traces dimensioned for 2A peak loads, and routed separate from other grounds to the battery connector?
2015-09-28T08:21:39 < tylerdurden> yeah the ground plane is messed up but right now we dont have time to redesign a new pcb. Is there any way to configure the unused pins to resolve the issue temporarily
2015-09-28T08:22:22 < tylerdurden> right now i have the luxury to change only the software
2015-09-28T08:24:26 < jpa-> i doubt you can resolve this issue in software.
2015-09-28T08:25:04 < jpa-> do you have a reason to believe the interference comes through io pins, and not through the power supply pins?
2015-09-28T08:25:29 < jpa-> putting the unused io pins to output mode should resolve the issue if they come from there, though
2015-09-28T08:25:32 < talsit> can you try adding some bulk caps to see if it improves?
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2015-09-28T08:26:48 < tylerdurden> i have an output pin connected to led and it goes high and blinks the led whenever a call is made
2015-09-28T08:26:54 < jpa-> i would try cutting the gsm's connection to local ground and power and solder flywires for it
2015-09-28T08:27:11 < jpa-> tylerdurden: well that is more probably due to the cpu going wonky
2015-09-28T08:28:22 < jpa-> adding capacitors will help also if you currently have too few - perhaps you can change a few caps to a bigger capacitance versions?
2015-09-28T08:29:12 < tylerdurden> ok i will check with the bigger capacitors if possible
2015-09-28T08:29:35 < jpa-> fix the ground also
2015-09-28T08:29:52 < jpa-> apparently this is just a proto so flywires should be enough
2015-09-28T08:30:27 < tylerdurden> I tried the flywires last week it didnt work...same issue
2015-09-28T08:31:08 < jpa-> did you remove the connection to local ground, in order to make it star-grounded?
2015-09-28T08:31:52 < tylerdurden> yeah the ground trace is disconnected to battery
2015-09-28T08:37:25 < mtbg> what is between microcontroller supply pins and the battery, and also gsm module supply pins and the battery?
2015-09-28T08:37:40 < mtbg> some kind of dc-dc converter, or LDO?
2015-09-28T08:38:07 < tylerdurden> btw MCU and battery--> LDO
2015-09-28T08:38:28 < tylerdurden> gsm direct connection to battery
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2015-09-28T09:21:32 < qyx_> heh, i used to have similar issues
2015-09-28T09:23:57 < qyx_> i ended with 3x100uF + 1x10uF ceramic
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2015-09-28T09:28:41 < dongs> dongssssssssss
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2015-09-28T09:30:17 < jpa-> qyx_: work project has 2x470µF.. but really it depends a lot on the internal resistance of the battery
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2015-09-28T09:39:31 < dongs> http://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2015/09/73871-torquing-group-announces-the-first-few-units-of-zano-have-been-shipped/
2015-09-28T09:39:35 < dongs> haha
2015-09-28T09:40:40 < Roklobsta> what's the holdup?
2015-09-28T09:40:52 < Roklobsta> Yhey should be flying out the door!
2015-09-28T09:42:26 < jpa-> again new propellers luls
2015-09-28T09:43:51 < emeb_mac> "flying out the door" hrhr
2015-09-28T09:48:08 < qyx_> jpa-: this was 12V->3.5V smps
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2015-09-28T11:32:40 < tasslehoff> debugging an spi bootloader. an4286 says that CS must be kept low during all bootloader communications. does that mean that everything I do with the bootloader can be viewed as one giant spi transaction?
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2015-09-28T11:44:30 < jpa-> tasslehoff: check the source of avrdude or something?
2015-09-28T11:44:49 < jpa-> errr
2015-09-28T11:45:00 < jpa-> why am i thinking avr, this is not ##electronics
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2015-09-28T11:46:00 < jpa-> but yeah, from the an4286 it does seem that it is all in one transaction
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2015-09-28T11:47:22 < tasslehoff> jpa-: yeah. I wonder if that means that sck should be running all the time, or if it should be stopped between "transactions"
2015-09-28T11:47:51 < tasslehoff> I send 5a and receive a5, but never manage to get an ack
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2015-09-28T13:04:42 < Lux> on the stm32f405 mcus, do i need anything else than 22ohm series resistors for the usb interface to work ?
2015-09-28T13:06:15 < Ecco> Lux: Apparently you don't need anything, just plug it straight away
2015-09-28T13:06:31 < jpa-> copy the discovery board schematics :P
2015-09-28T13:06:42 < jpa-> i can't remember if that specific one has the pull-up internally
2015-09-28T13:06:47 < Ecco> (sure the resistor is better, but from what I understood last time we talked about this subject here, they're not even needed)
2015-09-28T13:06:52 < jpa-> and in some cases you might want to be able to sense the Vbus also
2015-09-28T13:07:44 < Lux> i copied the discovery board design without that esd chip
2015-09-28T13:07:51 < Ecco> esd chip?
2015-09-28T13:07:57 < Lux> maybe something else is fucked up
2015-09-28T13:08:08 < jpa-> hm, my STM32F407 design does not have the series resistors.. IIRC they are internal
2015-09-28T13:09:28 < Lux> Ecco: EMIF02-USB03F2
2015-09-28T13:09:52 < Ecco> Oh, interesting
2015-09-28T13:09:56 < dongs> jpa-: anything with OTG would have it inside
2015-09-28T13:09:58 < Ecco> I had no idea this even existed
2015-09-28T13:10:01 < dongs> i guess?
2015-09-28T13:10:08 < dongs> or anything with USB bootloader
2015-09-28T13:10:12 < dongs> eyah, teh 2nd
2015-09-28T13:10:19 < dongs> cuz.. USB bootloader needs to be able to pull up the line
2015-09-28T13:10:28 < Ecco> What happens if you don't use an EMI filter / ESD protection chip?
2015-09-28T13:10:33 < dongs> you get FRIED
2015-09-28T13:10:44 < dongs> Lux: esd wouldnt matter
2015-09-28T13:10:48 < Ecco> That's for the ESD part right?
2015-09-28T13:10:58 < dongs> they're straight through parts anyway
2015-09-28T13:10:58 < Ecco> How can this happen, in practice ? And how likely is it?
2015-09-28T13:11:04 < Lux> so i don't need any pullups ?
2015-09-28T13:11:06 < dongs> no
2015-09-28T13:11:11 < Lux> good
2015-09-28T13:11:13 < dongs> not on any chip with usb bootlaoder
2015-09-28T13:11:18 < dongs> you sure you didnt swap D+/D-
2015-09-28T13:11:30 < Lux> that's probably the case :/
2015-09-28T13:11:38 < jpa-> hmm, STM32F407 discovery *does* have the 22 ohm series resistors, but in combination with the funnychip (tm)
2015-09-28T13:11:43 < dongs> is your schematic in EAGLE
2015-09-28T13:11:54 < Lux> nah altium, but i didn't design it
2015-09-28T13:12:06 < Lux> my colleague also put in 68ohms
2015-09-28T13:12:13 < Lux> yay
2015-09-28T13:12:24 < dongs> 68ohm in series?
2015-09-28T13:12:26 < jpa-> while the funnychip (
2015-09-28T13:12:38 < Lux> yep
2015-09-28T13:12:42 < jpa-> EMIF02-USB03F2) has 33 ohm internally in parallel with the external 22 ohm
2015-09-28T13:12:53 < dongs> oh, hah.
2015-09-28T13:13:02 < dongs> thats why if I do usb protection i just use non-weird shit
2015-09-28T13:13:15 < dongs> something that just sits on the lines in passthrough mode
2015-09-28T13:13:17 < dongs> not active shit
2015-09-28T13:13:20 < jpa-> yeah, i just have PRTR5V in parallel with the usb lines
2015-09-28T13:13:22 < dongs> Rclamp02something or ot her
2015-09-28T13:13:23 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-28T13:13:51 < karlp> Lux: any idea where that 68ohm came from? I just took off 68ohm resistors a colleague of mine put on :)
2015-09-28T13:13:56 < jpa-> but that st chip does some EMI filtering also apparently
2015-09-28T13:14:15 < dongs> besides
2015-09-28T13:14:20 < dongs> this is FS-USB on F4
2015-09-28T13:14:25 < dongs> it needs no filtering
2015-09-28T13:14:29 < jpa-> karlp: 5V avr's driving vusb? http://www.frank-zhao.com/pics/usbbusinesscard_circuit.png
2015-09-28T13:14:45 < dongs> ror
2015-09-28T13:14:51 < dongs> fucking awful
2015-09-28T13:15:18 < karlp> I wonder if that all goes back to someone not having the right sized resistors back in the day, and saying, "I used the smallest I had, it worked" and now we keep seeing it copypasta'd all over the world?
2015-09-28T13:15:35 < karlp> I haven't read the usb1 spec, but usb2 says it should be whatever you need to make 50ohms
2015-09-28T13:15:48 < karlp> and I can't imagine many situations where you need >50 to get to 50.
2015-09-28T13:16:16 < mtbg> I wonder if there are any commercial products based on avr + vusb
2015-09-28T13:16:23 < karlp> mtbg: you bet
2015-09-28T13:16:26 < mtbg> with these zener diodes on USB data lines
2015-09-28T13:16:49 < mtbg> there surely is usbasp programmer
2015-09-28T13:17:02 < mtbg> which is sold commercially by multiple manufacturers
2015-09-28T13:17:08 < dongs> haha
2015-09-28T13:17:10 < mtbg> but, anything more serious?
2015-09-28T13:17:30 < dongs> probably s omething on dickstarter
2015-09-28T13:18:16 < jpa-> karlp: for AVR crap, the 68 ohm is due to their 3.3V zeners, i.e. to limit maximum current from IO to 25mA
2015-09-28T13:20:24 < Lux> karlp: apparently some random schematic on the internet
2015-09-28T13:20:26 < dongs> ID LIKE TO ADD YOU TO MY PROFESSIONAL NETWORK ON DICKED-IN
2015-09-28T13:20:47 < Lux> so googled usb stuff and copied what he found
2015-09-28T13:21:03 < dongs> lux, is this for your clonefc, or some unrelated work
2015-09-28T13:21:13 < dongs> you should stop having "colleagues" that google schematics
2015-09-28T13:21:24 < dongs> it's gonna end like a typical dickstarter
2015-09-28T13:21:51 < jpa-> eh, when they google schematics, i can then google the codes
2015-09-28T13:22:06 < dongs> Dear Supporters,
2015-09-28T13:22:07 < dongs> We really apologize for lack of updates. We are about to complete the complex internal circuits and LED assembling, the same will be done by end of October. By end of November, we could able to show the working prototype and start manufacturing. We will announce the shipping date soon.
2015-09-28T13:22:57 < mtbg> ritot?
2015-09-28T13:24:12 < dongs> smartyring
2015-09-28T13:24:16 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/smarty-ring--3#/updates
2015-09-28T13:25:41 < Sync> > CUJO smart device brings business level Internet security to protect all of your home devices.
2015-09-28T13:25:45 < Sync> riiight
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2015-09-28T13:30:42 < mtbg> so they have bare led structures on PCB?
2015-09-28T13:30:56 < Lux> dongs: we'll see :P
2015-09-28T13:31:17 < Lux> def not like a typical dickstarter
2015-09-28T13:31:25 < Lux> at least not with me onboard
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2015-09-28T13:34:37 < dongs> pssshhhhh
2015-09-28T13:35:03 < dongs> sync, they get bonus points for using a proper network processor cpu tho
2015-09-28T13:35:12 < dongs> and not lunix + some shitty arm soc
2015-09-28T13:35:53 < jpa-> well business level internet security.. is not very much
2015-09-28T13:36:06 < jpa-> only slightly above enterprise level
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2015-09-28T13:41:13 < Lux> dongs: + there'll be an actual prototype ready before/if there is a kickstarter
2015-09-28T13:41:54 < Lux> but it's still kinda amazing how much money those scamstarters with like 0 development get
2015-09-28T13:42:20 < Sync> dongs: yeah, although I doubt that they use OSE or VxWorks
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2015-09-28T15:39:28 < Laurenceb__> hah
2015-09-28T15:39:33 < Laurenceb__> who needs eMMC
2015-09-28T15:40:53 < Laurenceb__> stick it on a SD card footprint pcb with microcontroller and itd be a good datalogger
2015-09-28T15:41:50 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: didn't you have enough fun with SD cards? ;)
2015-09-28T16:05:21 < scrts_w> I saw DRAM and eMMC in one package
2015-09-28T16:05:33 < scrts_w> seemed useful for processors
2015-09-28T16:10:44 < dongs> scrts_w: cheap chinatrash phoens use that
2015-09-28T16:10:54 < dongs> the size is not very big
2015-09-28T16:10:58 < dongs> either dram or emmc
2015-09-28T16:11:04 < dongs> so its kinda crappy for anything serious
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2015-09-28T16:21:20 < dongs> Regarding the laggy video. Those videos were shot with the app in photo mode so only running very low FPS. In video mode (which is what the next set of videos will use) you should see a huge improvement in frame rate and reduction in lag.
2015-09-28T16:21:24 < dongs> lolz
2015-09-28T16:27:23 < zyp> haha, right
2015-09-28T16:28:00 < dongs> zano forums are down
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2015-09-28T16:30:55 < zyp> so I ordered some shit last sunday
2015-09-28T16:31:06 < dongs> is that the "fast china shit" story
2015-09-28T16:31:09 < dongs> 2.0
2015-09-28T16:31:14 < zyp> yeah
2015-09-28T16:31:21 < dongs> lemme guess, you still dont have it?
2015-09-28T16:31:31 < zyp> took them until thursday before order status said shipped
2015-09-28T16:31:42 < dongs> by then you were in china holiday already.
2015-09-28T16:31:43 < zyp> took them another two days to produce a tracking number
2015-09-28T16:31:56 < zyp> which for some reason is dhl even though I selected fedex
2015-09-28T16:32:10 < dongs> and the tracking is in "information received" status?
2015-09-28T16:32:17 < zyp> dhl tracking still says it haven't been picked up yet
2015-09-28T16:32:19 < zyp> fuckers
2015-09-28T16:32:22 < dongs> yeah.
2015-09-28T16:32:29 < dongs> its wat chinagirl calls agent DHL
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2015-09-28T16:32:41 < dongs> its cheap , but it will take a day to get tracking and another day to pickup (when she does it)
2015-09-28T16:33:30 < zyp> yeah, I also hate the assholes at dhl norway, so I usually avoid dhl
2015-09-28T16:33:35 < dongs> :(
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2015-09-28T16:47:05 < Lux> looks like my usb stuff was fine...
2015-09-28T16:47:11 < dongs> wat was wrong
2015-09-28T16:47:19 < Lux> just forgot to set the hse value to the right value in the makefile :/
2015-09-28T16:47:25 < dongs> lol bro
2015-09-28T16:47:29 < dongs> why do you even makefile
2015-09-28T16:47:32 < Lux> 8 mhz on the discovery and 12mhz on my board
2015-09-28T16:47:35 < dongs> i thought you were working on a PROject
2015-09-28T16:47:54 < Lux> no money for an expensive ide
2015-09-28T16:48:05 < emeryth> makefiles protect your freedoms and your wallet
2015-09-28T16:48:09 < Lux> keil is like 5k right ?
2015-09-28T16:48:17 < dongs> the one you need is almost half that
2015-09-28T16:48:29 < Lux> still a lot
2015-09-28T16:48:39 < dongs> er more than half
2015-09-28T16:48:39 < Lux> you can make lots of prototype pcbs for that
2015-09-28T16:48:46 < dongs> MDK-ARM-CM-T-LC-ND
2015-09-28T16:48:54 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?vendor=0&keywords=MDK-ARM-CM-T-LC-ND
2015-09-28T16:49:13 < dongs> i duno man, or at least crossworks
2015-09-28T16:49:20 < dongs> tho commercial license of that is also just around 1.5k
2015-09-28T16:49:27 < dongs> makefiles is just so non-pro
2015-09-28T16:49:48 < Lux> we are using clion with cmake
2015-09-28T16:50:06 < dongs> wth :)
2015-09-28T16:50:18 < Lux> yep, but clion is pretty nice
2015-09-28T16:50:28 < dongs> you're already PAYING for clion
2015-09-28T16:50:39 < Lux> but clion is like 100$ or so
2015-09-28T16:50:57 < dongs> psh
2015-09-28T17:02:01 < Ecco> Hmm, how can I figure what's really going on when I do "clang myfile.c -o myfile.bin" ?
2015-09-28T17:02:14 < Ecco> I mean, if I build just the object file and link it myself
2015-09-28T17:02:19 < Ecco> I don't end up with the same binary
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2015-09-28T17:37:53 < aandrew> oops
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2015-09-28T19:39:14 < ReadError> hmm nice
2015-09-28T19:39:25 < ReadError> this wireless numpad actually works better for altium
2015-09-28T19:39:41 < ReadError> can keep it left of the kb and dont have to reach all teh way to the right
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2015-09-28T19:50:41 < Ecco> Is it possible to break on an MPU error?
2015-09-28T19:57:58 < zyp> in what sense?
2015-09-28T19:58:35 < zyp> in the debugger you mean?
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2015-09-28T19:58:51 < zyp> set it to trap on whatever fault the mpu traps
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2015-09-28T20:02:56 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-28T20:03:05 < Ecco> but for some reason
2015-09-28T20:03:11 < Ecco> when my board ends up in HardFault
2015-09-28T20:03:18 < Ecco> the backtrace in GDB is completely empty
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2015-09-28T20:32:19 < mtbg> Ecco: https://github.com/aresmiao/Firmware/blob/6457a9cc60828d8781bed32ae08f4c992ae6e265/Debug/ARMv7M
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2015-09-28T20:33:14 < Ecco> oh thanks
2015-09-28T20:33:34 < mtbg> load this script to gdb, and you will be able to get more precise fault reason
2015-09-28T20:33:37 < mtbg> without backtrace
2015-09-28T20:33:41 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-28T20:33:54 < mtbg> backtrace won't be available if stack is corrupted
2015-09-28T20:33:59 < Ecco> of course
2015-09-28T20:34:03 < Ecco> but assuming it's not
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2015-09-28T23:35:10 < kakimir> good almost midnight guys
2015-09-28T23:44:47 < kakimir> have you ever concidered why
2015-09-28T23:45:49 < Ecco> why what?
2015-09-28T23:46:27 < kakimir> society and technology is still so primitive
2015-09-28T23:46:41 < Ecco> philosophy time?
2015-09-28T23:47:24 < kakimir> and most of things we know or are in our "scope" have come up latelly
2015-09-28T23:53:20 < kakimir> I wonder if aliens have something to do with it
2015-09-28T23:53:53 < ColdKeyboard> Is there a built in function like strstr() that would return the integer representing where does the needle exist in the haystack?
2015-09-28T23:54:21 < mtbg> I believe there are many factors that contribute to it, but major reason can be that most people can't think for themself
2015-09-28T23:54:59 < mtbg> they are taught to memorize rules and facts, instead of developing their own, consistent model of reality
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2015-09-28T23:55:37 < kakimir> by who?
2015-09-28T23:56:29 < mtbg> by their environment, and mostly by public education
2015-09-28T23:56:44 < kakimir> you think it just happen to be there?
2015-09-28T23:56:52 < kakimir> doing it's thing
2015-09-28T23:58:37 < mtbg> no one really researched and developed the way of educating people, it just emerged itself not so long ago in almost its current form
2015-09-28T23:59:05 < mtbg> there was not so much and not so deep things to understand and learn back then
2015-09-28T23:59:49 < mtbg> but it happens to be really blasphemous for human cognition
2015-09-28T23:59:52 < kakimir> what if there was generation zero and all before that is just story?
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2015-09-29T00:00:14 < mtbg> considering what we evolved to
2015-09-29T00:01:26 < kakimir> I can't help thinking sometimes that we are generation zero
2015-09-29T00:01:37 < mtbg> too little individualism, and too little freedom in one's own development
2015-09-29T00:02:32 < mtbg> what you mean, that all before is "just story"?
2015-09-29T00:03:05 < kakimir> just a plant image of the past
2015-09-29T00:04:24 < kakimir> that has no validity
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2015-09-29T00:04:35 < mtbg> I sometimes wonder that we, in general, spend too much time and effort in analysis and, what is worse, cultivation of past things even if there are much better ways to do something
2015-09-29T00:05:19 < mtbg> instead of applying standard logical reasoning considering current state
2015-09-29T00:07:55 < ColdKeyboard> How do I redirect printf() to SWO of ST-Link2?
2015-09-29T00:07:56 < kakimir> logical reasoning says to me that I need to chill a lot
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2015-09-29T00:09:34 < kakimir> I guess you need to rewrite printf function with swo putchar
2015-09-29T00:09:47 < kakimir> instead of uart putchar
2015-09-29T00:10:29 < kakimir> is there such thing as swo putchar.. must be.
2015-09-29T00:10:31 < Steffanx> you could also try to go sleep early and have some nice dreams kakimir
2015-09-29T00:11:03 < kakimir> I don't like nice dreams
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2015-09-29T00:11:36 < Steffanx> not sure if libopencm3 has it, but i believe karlp has some codez
2015-09-29T00:11:39 < Ecco> then just browse rotten.com for a while and go to sleep
2015-09-29T00:11:40 < Steffanx> https://github.com/karlp/blog-code-samples-swo/blob/master/swo-1-printf/main.c there it is
2015-09-29T00:12:00 < kakimir> little bit nice dreams are ok but nice dreams are not
2015-09-29T00:12:22 < Steffanx> then get some paddos and try some bad trip
2015-09-29T00:12:52 < Steffanx> *mushrooms
2015-09-29T00:13:00 < Steffanx> or whatever you call them in english
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2015-09-29T00:15:21 < mtbg> kakimir: I think you can find this guy's views interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVWx_Dqod_Q
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2015-09-29T00:25:08 < Laurenceb__> in after euronymous
2015-09-29T00:36:18 < kakimir> truffles were nice
2015-09-29T00:41:12 < kakimir> it's too late to become a hippie
2015-09-29T00:42:57 < Laurenceb__> hes no hippie :P
2015-09-29T00:43:03 < Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varg_Vikernes
2015-09-29T00:43:54 < kakimir> I meant myself
2015-09-29T00:44:51 < mtbg> the further we go away from what we evolved to, the less productive and more just resource-wasting people become
2015-09-29T00:45:30 < mtbg> no one benefits from it
2015-09-29T00:45:57 < kakimir> it's called a challenge
2015-09-29T00:51:51 < mtbg> and by 'evolved' I don't mean just human species evolution - every animal with sufficient cognition just tends to explore and construct its own model of reality, driving its learning by natural curiosity
2015-09-29T00:59:19 < Laurenceb__> is mtbg high or a markov chain?
2015-09-29T00:59:58 < mtbg> why would I be either?
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2015-09-29T03:07:49 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/z6zSRRI.jpg
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2015-09-29T03:34:59 < mtbg> poor racoon
2015-09-29T03:35:12 < Roklobsta> i hope he got rabies
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2015-09-29T04:11:31 < dongs> huh, i didnt know apple trash schematics actually existed
2015-09-29T04:11:48 < dongs> https://service-schematics.ru/catalog/apple/ all those look legit
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2015-09-29T04:13:24 < dongs> i was surprised, ipad3/4 LCD backlight is part of some big PMU chip
2015-09-29T04:13:29 < dongs> backlight driver.
2015-09-29T04:13:45 < dongs> i guess makes sense for them to integrate all teh shit if they're already doing custom silicon anyway.
2015-09-29T04:14:37 < dongs> and that explains why there isn['t a flood of 12channel wled drivers
2015-09-29T04:14:39 < dongs> due to ipad surplus
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2015-09-29T05:00:21 < dongs> gxti: beep
2015-09-29T05:03:03 < hexsole> dongs:suckie suckie fuckie fuckie
2015-09-29T05:03:15 < dongs> gxti: how big is your ntpthing firmware compiled w/-O or whatever.
2015-09-29T05:03:16 < dongs> hexsole: wat.
2015-09-29T05:03:47 < dongs> targeted abuse will not be tolerated
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2015-09-29T05:10:53 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/y1nWFvm.gifv
2015-09-29T05:11:25 < dongs> rofffel
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2015-09-29T05:39:34 < GargantuaSauce> what a great way to die that would be
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2015-09-29T05:40:52 < dongs> yeah
2015-09-29T05:41:10 < dongs> next time he should try sitting on the tire
2015-09-29T05:42:25 < GargantuaSauce> or just standing, one foot on each airbag module
2015-09-29T05:49:19 < dongs> can you buy those on ebay or somethign
2015-09-29T05:52:21 < dongs> Buying used airbags is a viable solution for rebuilding crashed vehicles!
2015-09-29T05:52:22 < dongs> But are recycled airbags safe to use?
2015-09-29T05:52:22 < dongs> As a company who has been distributing airbags since 1999 it is our opinion that used airbags are a safe alternative for vehicles who are totaled solely on the replacement cost of new airbags. But more importantly, they are a viable solution for individuals who can not afford to buy new airbags based on the current blue book value of their vehicle. However, it is important to educate yourself to learn about critical differences when purcashing a used airbag.
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2015-09-29T05:55:36 < FAalbers> Hello , are there any Nucleo board users here ?
2015-09-29T05:55:48 < upgrdman> nsfw recycling  http://imgur.com/gallery/65A3LlE
2015-09-29T05:55:50 < dongs> well, its just stm32 with tarduino headers right
2015-09-29T05:56:17 < FAalbers> I have a question about USART2 on the STM32F401RE Nucleo board
2015-09-29T05:57:03 < dongs> i have it
2015-09-29T05:57:05 < dongs> (that board)
2015-09-29T05:57:12 < dongs> have you looked at schematics?
2015-09-29T05:57:13 < FAalbers> When I use the USART2 , the STLink makes it a Virtual COM link through the USB . All that works fine
2015-09-29T05:57:25 < FAalbers> dongs yest I have
2015-09-29T05:58:25 < dongs> so whats the problem
2015-09-29T05:58:37 < FAalbers> dongs , the thing is , if I look at the schematics , it says to use PA2/PA3 as TX/Rx , which I do .
2015-09-29T05:59:28 < FAalbers> I activate those pins and initialize them. But When I attach the Logic Analyzer, I see no changing output.
2015-09-29T06:00:27 < FAalbers> Strangely enough , when I use USART6 with the proper pins , it DOES stream the bitstream correctly and I can read with the Logic Analyzer.
2015-09-29T06:01:05 < FAalbers> Is there maybe a setting that sets USART2 to be used as Virtual COM or through the GPIO ?
2015-09-29T06:01:12 < FAalbers> Hope I make senes
2015-09-29T06:01:35 < FAalbers> sense :)
2015-09-29T06:02:34 < dongs> are you using tehse off nucleao board
2015-09-29T06:02:36 < dongs> or on your own shit?
2015-09-29T06:02:43 < dongs> PA2/3 is indeed usart2tx/rx
2015-09-29T06:02:52 < dongs> AF7
2015-09-29T06:02:56 < dongs> did you set AF?
2015-09-29T06:03:34 < FAalbers> On the nucleo board , just started to learn it
2015-09-29T06:03:36 < dongs> there's also jumpers
2015-09-29T06:03:55 < FAalbers> dongs, YEs , GPIO_AF7_USART2
2015-09-29T06:04:26 < upgrdman> stm adc can handle -0.3V right?
2015-09-29T06:04:27 < FAalbers> dongs, Not sure if I mentioned , but when using USART2 the virtual COM does work alright
2015-09-29T06:04:36 < FAalbers> dongs, just not the pins
2015-09-29T06:04:39 < dongs> er?
2015-09-29T06:05:19 < FAalbers> dongs, jumpers ? I kinda expected that, but could not find which ones they are and how to set them
2015-09-29T06:06:18 < FAalbers> dongs, Let me try again , maybe it was just a typo. Will post the actual code in a bit , it's short
2015-09-29T06:06:45 < FAalbers> dongs, Was just asking if there was something obvious I was missing
2015-09-29T06:07:14 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/wM0w8Sx.png
2015-09-29T06:07:21 < dongs> those are rx/tx lines
2015-09-29T06:07:41 < dongs> see if t hose jumpers are open, the bottom ones
2015-09-29T06:07:48 < dongs> thats a mirrored image too, so the would be on the left of the board.
2015-09-29T06:08:57 < dongs> SB63
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2015-09-29T06:11:47 < dongs> looks like you need to bridge SB63 and SB62 if you want to use PA2/3 extenral pins.
2015-09-29T06:12:26 < FAalbers> SB63 is indeed open
2015-09-29T06:13:39 < FAalbers> dongs, I actually don't need to . But I was wondering if I did make a code error, since I'm just learning !
2015-09-29T06:14:10 < FAalbers> dongs, Once I need to for other tryouts I can use the other USART's
2015-09-29T06:14:28 < dongs> http://i.4cdn.org/b/1443490544751.webm
2015-09-29T06:14:38 < FAalbers> But I thought I was just going crazy. Where did you actually find that info ?
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2015-09-29T06:15:10 < dongs> FAalbers: wat info? i downloaded 401 nucleo design files and looked at them
2015-09-29T06:16:02 < FAalbers> dongs, Guess I haven't seen those yet. Haven't gotten to designing . Like I said just started :)
2015-09-29T06:16:38 < dongs> FAalbers: arent you teh crazy C++ dude
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2015-09-29T06:16:47 < FAalbers> Want to learn more about these microcontrollers because they are used in all the Flight Controller boards these days
2015-09-29T06:17:08 < FAalbers> crazy C++ dude ?
2015-09-29T06:17:31 < dongs> some dude was in here wiht similar(?) name doing some wacky C++ 3d printer firmware.
2015-09-29T06:17:46 < FAalbers> dongs, Nope , not me :)
2015-09-29T06:18:24 < FAalbers> I haven't even started actual coding yet , just trying out and playing so far
2015-09-29T06:19:09 < FAalbers> I do a lot of scripting and some coding for Computer Graphics projects though
2015-09-29T06:19:34 < FAalbers> But microcontrollers I just started like a few weeks ago
2015-09-29T06:19:47 < FAalbers> Thanks for your help dongs ! ;)
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2015-09-29T07:11:30 < upgrdman> no chatz? :(
2015-09-29T07:11:41 < dongs> nope
2015-09-29T07:11:43 < dongs> they're dead
2015-09-29T07:12:14 < jpa-> got hit by zano
2015-09-29T07:16:00 < emeb_mac> zano is a false flag
2015-09-29T07:16:09 < emeb_mac> widely distributed micro-drones
2015-09-29T07:16:47 < emeb_mac> secret codez allow takeover by china spys
2015-09-29T07:17:58 < jpa-> takeover codes: working
2015-09-29T07:18:00 < jpa-> secret codez to allow any control by the backers: work in progress
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2015-09-29T07:24:38 < upgrdman> god damn irc client. updated it, then all of a sudden the scrollback lines setting was set to TEN. ten fucking lines. lol
2015-09-29T07:26:59 < Getty> now you missed the cure for cancer and worldpeace
2015-09-29T07:27:11 < upgrdman> inorite
2015-09-29T07:28:22 < dongs> http://www.freescale.com/files/sensors/doc/support_info/DL200.pdf?tid=redDL200
2015-09-29T07:32:01 < upgrdman> tl;dr?
2015-09-29T07:40:54 < dongs> a book of sensors
2015-09-29T07:41:55 < dongs> lots of neat stuff covered
2015-09-29T07:42:01 < dongs> in other news, got a bag of 1k JST-ZH 3pin clonez
2015-09-29T07:42:04 < dongs> they look identical to realthing
2015-09-29T07:42:10 < dongs> except a bag was like $10
2015-09-29T07:42:10 < ReadError> dongs got wireless numpad, altiums is much more faster/usable now
2015-09-29T07:42:54 < dongs> heh
2015-09-29T07:43:09 < dongs> i got a numapd but binding +/- to mouse buttons did the trick
2015-09-29T07:43:18 < ReadError> shits pretty dumb though
2015-09-29T07:43:33 < ReadError> you cant keep your hand on mouse w/o reaching all the way across the keyboard
2015-09-29T07:43:44 < ReadError> i can keep this to the left
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2015-09-29T07:50:54 < dongs> eh
2015-09-29T07:51:04 < dongs> how is taht easier tha just binding the 2-3 keys on numpad that you use to mouse buttons?
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2015-09-29T07:53:15 < ReadError> idk I figured for the price they charge they would let you remap keys
2015-09-29T07:56:06 < dongs> yeah, you can
2015-09-29T07:56:25 < ReadError> but you cant remove keymaps
2015-09-29T07:56:37 < ReadError> I did the customerizer thing to try and use [ and ]
2015-09-29T07:56:46 < ReadError> but they are used for other stuff so it always did that ;(
2015-09-29T07:59:14 < dongs> shruggery
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2015-09-29T08:05:21 < upgrdman> so plastic cases ("double insulated") are supposed to be better. but why is a grounded metal case bad? is it only bad if an output is miswired?
2015-09-29T08:05:33 < upgrdman> s/output/outlet
2015-09-29T08:07:43 < jpa-> better? bad? who says this
2015-09-29T08:08:22 < jpa-> nowadays plastic cases are more common because metal cases are more expensive
2015-09-29T08:08:47 < jpa-> but from safety point of view (especially fire safety), metal is better IMO
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2015-09-29T08:12:25 < upgrdman> jpa-, UL
2015-09-29T08:13:08 < upgrdman> at least for medical stuff. not sure about consumer
2015-09-29T08:13:31 < jpa-> but they allow both?
2015-09-29T08:13:44 < jpa-> so is there something that says "this is better, but you can do this also"?
2015-09-29T08:14:00 < upgrdman> well at least for the the project im on at work, the case can't be grounded
2015-09-29T08:14:10 < upgrdman> and not only not grounded, but 4kV isolation :)
2015-09-29T08:14:15 < jpa-> hm
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2015-09-29T08:14:46 < upgrdman> IEC 60601 3rd Edition... such a pain in the ass ;)
2015-09-29T08:15:17 < jpa-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_(electricity)#Ungrounded_systems
2015-09-29T08:15:20 < jpa-> has something on this
2015-09-29T08:16:12 < ReadError> anyone on the up-and-up about power filtering and various types
2015-09-29T08:16:29 < ReadError> LC vs buttersworth LC vs pi(CLC)
2015-09-29T08:16:56 < jpa-> https://vam.anest.ufl.edu/simulations/orelectric.php
2015-09-29T08:16:59 < jubatus> only one word of advice: *always* simulate what you filter does when the power is switched off
2015-09-29T08:17:20 < jpa-> that one also.. maybe it is because they want the leakage current monitor, and it would be disturbed by grounding
2015-09-29T08:17:29 < jubatus> otherwise you will wonder why your semiconductors are dying with symptoms of high voltage spikes
2015-09-29T08:18:06 < ReadError> jubatus in this case most components behind it will be tolerant of pretty decent voltage spikes
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2015-09-29T08:18:53 < ReadError> im trying to minimize the size but still achieve a low cutoff freq
2015-09-29T08:22:00 < upgrdman> jubatus, why would the voltage spike is you switch off before the filter?
2015-09-29T08:22:08 < upgrdman> if*
2015-09-29T08:22:27 < jubatus> upgrdman: if you have inductors in the power line
2015-09-29T08:22:40 < jubatus> he mentioned CLC filters
2015-09-29T08:23:12 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-29T08:23:36 < upgrdman> but the current flow would not stop abruptly, it would slow, no? since the load would still draw as the voltage sags
2015-09-29T08:24:19 < jubatus> it happens, and people don't expect it so I mentioned it
2015-09-29T08:24:47 < jubatus> *it happens sometimes
2015-09-29T08:24:50 < upgrdman> sure, but why would it happen?
2015-09-29T08:25:13 < upgrdman> the load is still drawing current, just more slowly as the voltage dips
2015-09-29T08:26:11 < jubatus> drawing from the capacitor, not the inductor (if its an LC filter)
2015-09-29T08:26:36 < jubatus> no that doesn't make sense either
2015-09-29T08:26:40 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-29T08:26:44 < jpa-> hm, i can't figure out a common situation where voltage spikes would occur, no matter where you switch it off
2015-09-29T08:27:08 < upgrdman> jpa-, well if you switch after the inductor, the switch could see a spike i guess
2015-09-29T08:27:34 < jubatus> i've experienced it first hand
2015-09-29T08:27:54 < upgrdman> jubatus, im not claiming you're wrong. just trying to figure out why that might occur.
2015-09-29T08:28:12 < jubatus> yeah I'm trying to figure it out too
2015-09-29T08:28:26 < jpa-> upgrdman: well yeah, though switch sees a spike also if you switch off a transformer (with or without filters)
2015-09-29T08:28:46 < upgrdman> true
2015-09-29T08:29:01 < jubatus> in my case the spikes were downstream of the CLC filter
2015-09-29T08:29:09 < jpa-> jubatus: do you remember what components got broken by that?
2015-09-29T08:29:24 < jubatus> varistors
2015-09-29T08:29:31 < jubatus> (MOVs)
2015-09-29T08:31:17 < jpa-> was it transformer-based power supply or smps?
2015-09-29T08:31:27 < jubatus> it was a mains filter
2015-09-29T08:31:40 < jubatus> 240V in 240V out
2015-09-29T08:31:43 < jpa-> ah, so unknown load connected?
2015-09-29T08:31:47 < jubatus> yes
2015-09-29T08:31:51 < jpa-> hmm
2015-09-29T08:32:39 < ReadError> problem im running in to, to get the desired current handling I need a fairly large inductor
2015-09-29T08:32:46 < ReadError> (using vanilla LC)
2015-09-29T08:33:18 < ReadError> so was wondering if I could achieve a similar cutoff/current with another type of filter
2015-09-29T08:35:23 < ReadError> but theres probably a lot more i havent come across
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2015-09-29T08:36:17 < jubatus> I tried a lot of things and nothing worked except removing the L entirely and using only capacitor filtering
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2015-09-29T08:41:44 < jpa-> jubatus: hmm, maybe something like this? atleast it gives a spike when i switch it off  http://goo.gl/v5UOyt
2015-09-29T08:44:35 < jubatus> it was a CLC filter basically. is there any particular reason why you've simulated 2 1mH inductors ? should be the same with just one no ?
2015-09-29T08:44:46 < jubatus> how do you simulate switching it off ?
2015-09-29T08:45:07 < jubatus> oh ok
2015-09-29T08:45:39 < jubatus> the numbers were changing too fast for me to read
2015-09-29T08:45:45 < jpa-> ah well, missed the part about it being CLC filter
2015-09-29T08:45:52 < jpa-> there should be a scope display at the bottom
2015-09-29T08:47:13 < jubatus> yeah I think the spike in your simulation is from the transformer, not the inductors
2015-09-29T08:48:39 < jpa-> yeah, probably - but couldn't it been the same for your unknown load?
2015-09-29T08:49:18 < jubatus> no, because the problem went away when we removed the L from the filter
2015-09-29T08:50:51 < jpa-> hm, i wonder how you could get a bigger spike from the filter L than from a transformer
2015-09-29T08:54:07 < jubatus> might have been something related to slew rate. the transformers are iron and slow. the filter was ferrite - so it would have been fast.
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2015-09-29T10:14:22 < dongs> Sorry, registration is required as this identifies the Zano and the owner to ensure a stolen Zano can not be used and also ensures correct configuration data is downloaded to the phone and subsequently to Zano. You could however, log your friends into your account on their phone. They could then use your Zano. Its one account, multiple Zano's.
2015-09-29T10:14:44 < dongs> people need to actually have zanos to have them stolen
2015-09-29T10:14:55 < dongs> assuming anyone would evne want that shit in the first palce
2015-09-29T10:16:11 < jpa-> maybe they'll report zanos as stolen and recover money from insurance
2015-09-29T10:16:44 < dongs> haha
2015-09-29T10:24:57 < PaulFertser> I wonder what might have been their reasoning when deciding to ship to some UK customers ahead of the die-hard kickstarter "super-early-preorder" fans.
2015-09-29T10:25:07 < dongs> yeah, right?
2015-09-29T10:25:26 < dongs> PaulFertser: rumor is, they can actually lose money on preorders
2015-09-29T10:25:32 < dongs> as they're protected by various EU laws
2015-09-29T10:25:38 < dongs> whereas dickstarter guys are fucked
2015-09-29T10:28:39 < PaulFertser> dongs: heh, I'd expect them to be able to produce as many of those loosy drones as needed by now. It's funny to see how those forum dickheads are still all enthusiastic and keep proposing new "great ideas" and thanking TG etc.
2015-09-29T10:28:52 < PaulFertser> Eh, s/drones/quads/ I meant.
2015-09-29T10:30:13 < dongs> PaulFertser: they made the assembly fucktardedly difficult and requiring tons of manual labor
2015-09-29T10:31:07 < PaulFertser> Heh, that would explain it.
2015-09-29T10:31:18 < dongs> but
2015-09-29T10:31:33 < dongs> they're also clearly not making a shitload because at least someone there fucking knows this stuff cant work
2015-09-29T10:31:54 < dongs> they cant be so fucking delusional that the shit is actually usable/etc
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2015-09-29T10:35:10 < PaulFertser> So now they should be thinking of how to flee away from everybody saving as much money as possible, but Ivan is talking about designing a zano-branded joypad or some shit.
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2015-09-29T10:35:22 < dongs> and follow-me module
2015-09-29T10:35:31 < dongs> and uh
2015-09-29T10:35:36 < dongs> oh yeah 'thermal camera addon'
2015-09-29T10:35:37 < dongs> lolz....
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2015-09-29T10:40:41 < decimad> people get to fly their drones and you get to flame them... it's a classical win-win situation!
2015-09-29T10:43:29 < emeryth> except for the part where the people don't actually get their drones
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2015-09-29T10:49:15 < dongs> 'drones';
2015-09-29T10:50:11 < Roklobsta> you droning on again about zano?
2015-09-29T10:50:17 < dongs> as usual
2015-09-29T10:50:34 < Roklobsta> what's today's zano fail?
2015-09-29T10:51:15 < dongs> still not shipping
2015-09-29T10:54:04 < dongs> I was a massive supporter but the lack of basic info now has me thinking I may just exit the forums & wait for the surprise when/if the thing arrives. I am actually considering refunding the other 3 people that came in on the family pack out of my own pocket as I can't offer them a reasonable estimate on when they will arrive.
2015-09-29T10:54:50 < dongs> this dude gave the m$1k
2015-09-29T10:54:54 < dongs> thats like 20 cheersons
2015-09-29T10:55:03 < dongs> er
2015-09-29T10:55:07 < dongs> mroe like  60 cheersons
2015-09-29T10:55:22 < qyx_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/janulus/trinity-portable-wind-turbine-power-station
2015-09-29T10:55:26 < qyx_> lulz
2015-09-29T10:56:03 < jpa-> worst part about debugging memory leaks on nuttx: when you trace mallocs, you see how it makes 100 fucktons of useless mallocing everywhere in the gfx system
2015-09-29T10:57:13 < Roklobsta> dongs: in australia we scale everything on slabs of beer.  So maybe 20 slabs for those zanos.  That's a lot of beer.
2015-09-29T10:58:39 < dongs> that guy is from australia
2015-09-29T10:58:41 < dongs> too
2015-09-29T10:58:52 < dongs> he's never getting it
2015-09-29T10:59:03 < dongs> dorquing will be lynched before they finish shipping first 1k
2015-09-29T11:00:00 < Roklobsta> i am pretty sure monaco has some strong anti lynching laws.
2015-09-29T11:00:13 < Roklobsta> seeing as 1/2 the population deserves lynching.
2015-09-29T11:00:57 < PaulFertser> I wonder why is that the cheapest toy copters do not allow to turn off the headless mode?
2015-09-29T11:01:28 < Roklobsta> headless as in decapitation of owner when they lose control?
2015-09-29T11:01:56 < ReadError> PaulFertser headless must be newish for them
2015-09-29T11:02:07 < ReadError> i seen they had some that had that feature but didnt know it was always on
2015-09-29T11:02:37 < PaulFertser> Roklobsta: nope, headless as in reacting in "the same" (from user point of view) way on controls, no matter what side the quad is facing at that moment.
2015-09-29T11:02:55 < dongs> yeah cheerson cx-10a has headless
2015-09-29T11:02:59 < PaulFertser> Roklobsta: I'm looking at e.g. http://www.banggood.com/Eachine-H8-Mini-Upgraded-Headless-Mode-2_4G-4CH-6-Axis-RC-Quadcopter-RTF-p-982845.html
2015-09-29T11:03:06 < dongs> shrug, it makeas it super easy to fly for newbz
2015-09-29T11:03:08 < PaulFertser> Yeah, or the one dongs mentions.
2015-09-29T11:03:22 < PaulFertser> Yep, but why not add a switch that would allow to turn it off for extra fun?
2015-09-29T11:03:43 < PaulFertser> It's not like it would be any more complicated for the developers.
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2015-09-29T11:52:20 < tasslehoff> From the system bootloader I can read chip ID, but where can I find a list of possible values for this?
2015-09-29T11:53:25 < dongs> datasheet of course
2015-09-29T11:53:28 < dongs> and reference manual
2015-09-29T11:53:32 < dongs> and probably somewehre else
2015-09-29T11:56:30 < scrts_w> sup lads?
2015-09-29T11:56:47 < tasslehoff> dongs: that was an of course to me as well, but I haven't found it yet :)
2015-09-29T12:01:13 < dongs> Understandable, but like Ivan said, registration needs to take into account the configuration of a particular Zano and it's calibration profile.
2015-09-29T12:01:16 < dongs> Also, if they don't register they can't use the HPC so don't get the best quality video output. As such, why would they want to buy one if they only had access to the raw video and not the finely tuned HPC video?
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2015-09-29T12:24:54 < Fleck> http://img.ifcdn.com/images/3c23235a8c342e59e3a0b8cd2962a3283ffc8f1869e6a20f4fb7cbee373b50f1_1.jpg
2015-09-29T12:27:43 < Ecco> haha
2015-09-29T12:31:13 < Sync> wat dongs
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2015-09-29T12:48:46 < dongs> activate for dongs
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2015-09-29T13:38:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/YgBe1Jm.jpg
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2015-09-29T15:15:58 < jpa-> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/192583/is-there-a-microcontroller-with-16mb-of-ram
2015-09-29T15:16:25 < jpa-> emulating sega megadrive on avr: "good challenge"
2015-09-29T15:16:41 < Ecco> DId the mega drive really had 16 MB of RAM?
2015-09-29T15:17:10 < Ecco> that seems off
2015-09-29T15:18:35 < Ecco> "The gotcha is that it is a 144 pin surface mount device, which is going to be difficult to solder."
2015-09-29T15:18:37 < jpa-> yeah, probably wrong on that point also
2015-09-29T15:18:38 < Ecco> -> bitch please
2015-09-29T15:18:47 < karlp> well, it wouldn't hve been 16mg onboard
2015-09-29T15:18:58 < karlp> 68k was a cpu only
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2015-09-29T15:19:13 < karlp> you had to _build_ your computer, not just solder down a single chip
2015-09-29T15:20:31 < zyp> today's update from chinashop: for some reason they mailed me the same fucking tracking number again, it's still not picked up
2015-09-29T15:20:50 < Ecco> zyp: what did you order?
2015-09-29T15:21:04 < zyp> that's not important
2015-09-29T15:21:23 < Ecco> well… ok then
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2015-09-29T15:21:47 < jpa-> zyp does not want to discuss his dildos here
2015-09-29T15:21:51 < Ecco> :-D
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2015-09-29T15:22:10 < zyp> correct
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2015-09-29T15:59:03 < Bundestrojaner> i have a strange problem on stm32f0 discovery: my usart2 sends with 320µs per Symbol (=3125baud?)
2015-09-29T15:59:03 < Bundestrojaner> my config ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/12611903/ ) sets it to 19200baud and my (unmodified) system_stm32f0xx.c defines uint32_t SystemCoreClock    = 48000000;
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2015-09-29T16:08:48 < mtbg> seems you didn't enable pll and just run off 8MHz oscillator
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2015-09-29T16:15:55 < dongs> OH FUCK
2015-09-29T16:15:57 < dongs> i get it
2015-09-29T16:16:06 < dongs> zano is shipping preorders BECAUSE
2015-09-29T16:16:11 < Ecco> jet fuel can melt steel beams?
2015-09-29T16:16:14 < dongs> preorders people CANT POST ON DICKSTARTER PAGE
2015-09-29T16:16:20 < dongs> and talk shit about the stuff!!!
2015-09-29T16:16:24 < emeryth> xD
2015-09-29T16:16:31 < dongs> and the rest 12k morons are too dumb to figure out how to google/forum/facebook!
2015-09-29T16:16:33 < dongs> thats fucking it
2015-09-29T16:17:06 < dongs> more preorders got their stuff arrived, and not a single kickstarter backer yet
2015-09-29T16:18:19 < Sync> lul
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2015-09-29T16:20:03 < dongs> tweeting this asap
2015-09-29T16:24:58 < dongs> Something that may be an issue, and i really hope it isn't, is the amount of people on the KS comments section that are claiming that if the Zano does not do everything promised, the moment it arrives, they are planning to raise legal action, via KS terms, that they have not fulfilled their obligation based on initial promises. Not many people on their have shown any form of understanding to pre-KS OS version for people to 'play' with whilst full AI based OS is devel
2015-09-29T16:25:04 < dongs> jaja
2015-09-29T16:25:04 < dongs> FULL AI BASED OS
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2015-09-29T16:26:21 < Sync> kek
2015-09-29T16:26:49 < emeryth> the Zangularity is upon us
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2015-09-29T16:30:53 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12039286_1002646219800754_7530292891099722877_n.jpg?oh=7f1cdd360501072085cd8ce0f5d169d2&oe=568BE2CE
2015-09-29T16:30:58 < dongs> such classy packaging wow
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2015-09-29T16:40:30 < Bundestrojaner> mtbg: i thought the clock is set before main is even started? how can i check this?
2015-09-29T16:41:07 < emeryth> Bundestrojaner: how did you create your project?
2015-09-29T16:41:31 < Bundestrojaner> emeryth: from the ledblink-projecttemplate that comes with the toolchain
2015-09-29T16:43:29 < mtbg> Bundestrojaner: depends on your setup, but if I didn't know what the setup does I'd start following it from the reset handler
2015-09-29T16:43:53 < mtbg> even if I didn't face a problem yet
2015-09-29T16:44:03 < mtbg> just to know what your code is doing
2015-09-29T16:44:28 < mtbg> there is no fun in running code which you don't know why does it work
2015-09-29T16:44:30 < mtbg> :>
2015-09-29T16:44:54 < Bundestrojaner> mtbg: but wouldn't all timers go wrong if the systemclock is only 1/6?
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2015-09-29T16:45:12 < mtbg> they could
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2015-09-29T16:51:04 < mtbg> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/skarp/the-skarp-laser-razor-21st-century-shaving
2015-09-29T16:51:30 < Ecco> Guys, I've just built something
2015-09-29T16:51:37 < Ecco> and I'd like to know if you find this interesting
2015-09-29T16:51:43 < dongs> mtbg: they shoulda used a galvanometer
2015-09-29T16:51:48 < dongs> instead of a strand
2015-09-29T16:51:58 < Ecco> My current firmware was heavily overflowing the stack I had allocated for it
2015-09-29T16:51:58 < dongs> then you could shave  your ENTIRE FUCKIGN FACE in liek 5 seconds
2015-09-29T16:53:33 < Ecco> so I really wondered "what the hell goes in the stack?"
2015-09-29T16:53:38 < Ecco> So I wrote a valgrind plugin
2015-09-29T16:53:42 < Ecco> that tracks stack usage
2015-09-29T16:53:53 < Ecco> and display a frame-by-frame breakdown of stack usage
2015-09-29T16:58:12 < dongs> well that is cool and all but
2015-09-29T16:58:17 < dongs> if you'd just write non-shitty code to begin wiht
2015-09-29T16:58:24 < dongs> this wouldn't even become a problem
2015-09-29T16:58:35 < dongs> i mean, ways to trash your stack is like...
2015-09-29T16:58:36 < PaulFertser> Ecco: how does that work, where is your firmware running, on your target?
2015-09-29T16:58:50 < dongs> arrays out of bounds, recursion, huge local vars, etc
2015-09-29T16:59:07 < Bundestrojaner> mtbg: Resethandler -> _start() -> initialize_hardware() -> System_Init() -> SetSysClock();
2015-09-29T16:59:42 < dongs> Bundestrojaner: the order doesnt really matter, why not setclock early so the rest of the code runs at full speed isntead of default 8mhz or whatever
2015-09-29T17:00:08 < Bundestrojaner> dongs: this is pretty the first thing it does
2015-09-29T17:00:08 < Ecco> dongs: I'm sorry I don't get it
2015-09-29T17:00:15 < Ecco> I'm not destroying my stack
2015-09-29T17:00:21 < dongs> Ecco: yeah, you're running out of it
2015-09-29T17:00:23 < Ecco> (hopefully though)
2015-09-29T17:00:24 < Ecco> yes
2015-09-29T17:00:28 < dongs> which can only come from shitty coding
2015-09-29T17:00:33 < Ecco> well
2015-09-29T17:00:37 < Ecco> no?
2015-09-29T17:00:38 < Bundestrojaner> _start calls main() after initialize_hardware()
2015-09-29T17:00:38 < Sync> mtbg: obviously pros working on the optical bench without glasses
2015-09-29T17:00:54 < Ecco> I mean, maybe, but in any way, it's very hard to diagnose
2015-09-29T17:01:02 < decimad> I don't overflow my 1 byte stacks
2015-09-29T17:01:07 < decimad> because I'm leet
2015-09-29T17:01:21 < Ecco> PaulFertser: the firmware is running on my PC
2015-09-29T17:01:39 < Ecco> So it's not exactly like it would be on the end device
2015-09-29T17:01:48 < Ecco> but that is similar enough I think
2015-09-29T17:01:53 < dongs> so have you found what hte problem was?
2015-09-29T17:01:56 < Ecco> Yes
2015-09-29T17:02:10 < Ecco> I'm using yacc to parse a file
2015-09-29T17:02:22 < Ecco> and apparently yacc has a 2200 bytes long stack frame
2015-09-29T17:02:32 < dongs> ... lol.
2015-09-29T17:02:33 < mtbg> :>
2015-09-29T17:02:40 < Ecco> well… :-)
2015-09-29T17:02:42 < dongs> thats opensores for you.
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2015-09-29T17:02:51 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-29T17:02:52 < dongs> so it goes right back to that "shitty coding" part.
2015-09-29T17:02:57 < dongs> i bet it does lots of actual allocations, too.
2015-09-29T17:03:11 < dongs> also uh
2015-09-29T17:03:13 < Ecco> I haven't checked that
2015-09-29T17:03:22 < dongs> doesnt your gcc tell you you're out of stack when you compile?
2015-09-29T17:03:28 < dongs> i remember armcc did that
2015-09-29T17:03:29 < Ecco> why? no
2015-09-29T17:03:33 < Ecco> How could it know?
2015-09-29T17:03:35 < dongs> well, sux 4 u i guess
2015-09-29T17:03:42 < dongs> duno, by static analysis?
2015-09-29T17:03:45 < mtbg> in such confined environment, maybe writing your own parser is the way to go
2015-09-29T17:03:50 < Ecco> Yeah but that's dynamic behavior
2015-09-29T17:03:55 < Ecco> mtbg: yeah, maybe
2015-09-29T17:04:03 < dongs> shrug
2015-09-29T17:04:07 < Ecco> but that's slightly off-topic
2015-09-29T17:04:12 < Ecco> I think the tool is still useful :)
2015-09-29T17:04:38 < Viper168> ecco the dolphin is here?
2015-09-29T17:04:39 < Ecco> Better than "fill the stack w/ a pattern and see how it looks like after a while"
2015-09-29T17:04:47 < Viper168> why didn't you guys tell me
2015-09-29T17:04:58 < Ecco> With this tool, you can see which function is using what
2015-09-29T17:05:09 < Viper168> I loved your games Ecco
2015-09-29T17:05:10 < Ecco> and also figure out exactly when the max stack usage is reached
2015-09-29T17:05:44 < mtbg> Bundestrojaner: and how does SetSysClock set the clock? it always enables pll and sets your frequency regarding SystemCoreClock variable?
2015-09-29T17:05:59 < mtbg> or it takes into account something other or else?
2015-09-29T17:11:44 < Viper168> I guess the fame has gotten to his head
2015-09-29T17:11:55 < Viper168> not even dolphins are immune
2015-09-29T17:12:15 < Viper168> I heard flipper was a rapist too
2015-09-29T17:12:22 < Bundestrojaner> mtbg: as far as i understand, it sets the pll always to 6*8MHz, waits for pll to work, sets pll as clock source and waits again till system runs on pll
2015-09-29T17:12:22 < Bundestrojaner> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12612602/
2015-09-29T17:16:17 < aadamson> I'm not sure what platform you are working with/on, but if using and STM32 that isn't all wrapped up in the CUBE crap.  There is an AppNote for each and an excel spreadsheet that is a clock tool
2015-09-29T17:16:39 < aadamson> it generates the systemxxx.c file for the specific processor based upon how you want your clock(s) setup
2015-09-29T17:16:48 < aadamson> e.g (let me see if I can find an example)
2015-09-29T17:16:58 < dongs> that looks like F103 stuff
2015-09-29T17:17:04 < dongs> you dont need excel for that shit
2015-09-29T17:17:08 < dongs> its like 3 lines of actual code
2015-09-29T17:17:11 < dongs> if you dont want error checking
2015-09-29T17:17:17 < aadamson> here's the one for the F4 - http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM147/CL1794/SC961/SS1533/PF257927
2015-09-29T17:17:22 < aadamson> and dongs is also correct
2015-09-29T17:17:49 < aadamson> but you *can't* just use the systemxxx.c file that was included with the environment that you are using, who knows how it's configured for the clock
2015-09-29T17:18:22 < aadamson> Well, I suppose you can *if* you want whatever it was setup with
2015-09-29T17:19:02 < mtbg>  /* If HSE fails to start-up, the application will have wrong clock  configuration. User can add here some code to deal with this error */
2015-09-29T17:19:20 < mtbg> wonderful piece of code, that lets user handle errors
2015-09-29T17:19:25 < aadamson> if this is by chance the gnueclipse plugin, then you set a define for the crystal speed and it's systemxxx.c file will assume the fastest speed possible I believe
2015-09-29T17:19:26 < dongs> ya thats copypaste from f103 system.c
2015-09-29T17:19:28 < mtbg> by digging into its files
2015-09-29T17:19:40 < mtbg> and finding right place reading the comments
2015-09-29T17:20:29 < aadamson> anyway, this aint arduino land (thank heavens) and something the programmer needs to deal with (and probably should)
2015-09-29T17:20:39 < Bundestrojaner> aadamson: yes, i use the gnu arm eclipse-plugins
2015-09-29T17:21:09 < aadamson> Bundestrojaner, so do I, but I always handle the clock stuff myself either via a clock tool, or making the changes as needed
2015-09-29T17:21:23 < mtbg> Bundestrojaner: do you have external crystal oscillator?
2015-09-29T17:22:01 < Bundestrojaner> mtbg: i use the stm32f0-discovery board. as far as i know, it has a 8MHz crystal
2015-09-29T17:22:09 < mtbg> ok
2015-09-29T17:22:25 < aadamson> Bundestrojaner, I think you need to go read the docs, it does not
2015-09-29T17:22:45 < aadamson> and it has a number of internal clocking options or external ones.  The schematic for all the discovery boards are available
2015-09-29T17:22:59 < aadamson> I just finished an application with the f051 so I've been through all of this
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2015-09-29T17:23:19 < karlp> it's almost as if st's systemxxx.c shit was just a terrible idea.
2015-09-29T17:23:29 < dongs> it is
2015-09-29T17:23:37 < zyp> the stm32f0 discovery doesn't have a crystal, but OSC_IN is fed by an 8mhz signal from the onboard st-link, which is equivalent to having an 8mhz crystal
2015-09-29T17:23:37 < dongs> its also got a lot of useless shit in it
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2015-09-29T17:24:15 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: that explains it because i see the crystal there
2015-09-29T17:24:36 < zyp> see how?
2015-09-29T17:24:44 < zyp> the st-link has an 8mhz crystal
2015-09-29T17:24:55 < Bundestrojaner> by looking at the pcb
2015-09-29T17:25:16 < Bundestrojaner> it's between stlink and the arm
2015-09-29T17:25:33 < karlp> I can see dead people, but it doesn't mean they're real.
2015-09-29T17:26:06 < aadamson> hehe... "stlink and the arm"... that would be f103 and the f051 - both arms ... to nit pick... in jest
2015-09-29T17:26:17 < decimad> https://github.com/decimad/stmlib/blob/master/stmlib/rcc/pll_parameters.hpp you can also do those calcs with a full search during compile time ;)
2015-09-29T17:27:02 < aadamson> anyway, the f051 is pretty flexible, and it will run by default with no external osc attached, so it's kinda important that whatever clock you think you have, you really have - configured.
2015-09-29T17:27:03 < karlp> yeah, if you'd rather save 20 bytes of flash in exchange for 10000 lines of c++ template magic goop
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2015-09-29T17:28:08 < decimad> it's constexpr, no template ;)
2015-09-29T17:29:00 < decimad> also this isn't about saving space or anything, the constants will be as small... it's about having to start an external tool or not
2015-09-29T17:29:42 < aadamson> decimad, but that's the whole point, you don't need too, it's only a hand ful of registers that need to be diddled
2015-09-29T17:29:46 < aadamson> to do what you want
2015-09-29T17:30:07 < decimad> what do I want?
2015-09-29T17:30:45 < aadamson> I haven't a clue - thankfully, but most will want to enable a clock, pll, etc and on the f1's, it's only a handful lines of code to do that
2015-09-29T17:31:48 < karlp> aadamson: you're not going to win having a lengthy chat with him, he's pretty deeply committed to constexpr templating all the things :)
2015-09-29T17:32:19 < decimad> yeah, with the constexpr it's one line and you don't need to calc the constants (and you don't need to comment them, because all whats in the code is src clock and dest clock)
2015-09-29T17:32:19 < aadamson> hehe... not about to try, I can barely hold my head above water with cpp anyway :0
2015-09-29T17:33:06 < karlp> one line... heh, links to 100s of lines of goop to set the pll :)
2015-09-29T17:33:25 < decimad> those hundreds of lines are the calculation
2015-09-29T17:33:27 < aadamson> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/ScreenClip.png - may latest science experiment - let's see how many switching supplies you can cram in the physical size of an AA battery :)...
2015-09-29T17:33:41 < aadamson> oh and the f051.
2015-09-29T17:33:43 < decimad> and it does a full search... something you would have to do in non-trivial cases
2015-09-29T17:33:50 < aadamson> but just a fun toy for now...
2015-09-29T17:35:01 < karlp> nice break off programming tab, cute
2015-09-29T17:35:30 < aadamson> hehe... PITA is what it si actually...
2015-09-29T17:35:32 < karlp> I like how it leaves them on the pins there.
2015-09-29T17:35:45 < karlp> what's the problem with it?
2015-09-29T17:35:57 < aadamson> made panelizing a bit of a PITA
2015-09-29T17:36:10 < karlp> yeah, was thinking panelling would be a downside :)
2015-09-29T17:36:19 < zyp> I don't like the idea of automatically calculating the PLL parameters, it obscures some of the complexity that you should be aware of
2015-09-29T17:36:20 < karlp> should put it beside the antenna protrosion
2015-09-29T17:36:40 < aadamson> one of those had I moved it forward or back you could flip one and dovetail, but nope not on this rev
2015-09-29T17:36:48 < aadamson> yeah, karlp, I'll move it at some point
2015-09-29T17:37:12 < zyp> like the fact that sysclk have to be a multiple of 24 if you want to be able to generate 48mhz for usb
2015-09-29T17:37:43 < decimad> zyp: that's all static assertable
2015-09-29T17:39:07 < upgrdman_> any statistic pros in here? i have a stupid homework problem that i simulated but the results surprise me. not sure how to solve the problem mathematically. if you have six dice, and roll them, on average how many rolls would be needed to see at least once di be a six? from sim'ing, i get 1.49 rolls on average.
2015-09-29T17:40:26 < Bundestrojaner> once di be a six? you mean at least one dice is a 6?
2015-09-29T17:40:43 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-09-29T17:41:10 < decimad> (5/6)^6  are the odds to not hit a 6 :)
2015-09-29T17:41:53 < decimad> 1 - (5/6)^6 are the odds to hit at least one six
2015-09-29T17:42:00 < mtbg> (5/6)^n
2015-09-29T17:42:02 < upgrdman_> which is 0.6651
2015-09-29T17:42:05 < mtbg> in n rolls
2015-09-29T17:42:13 < Bundestrojaner> the prob for a six is 1/6 per dice or 5/6 to be something else. so 1-(5/6)^6
2015-09-29T17:42:50 < zyp> 1/(1-(5/6)^6) is around 1.50
2015-09-29T17:43:04 < upgrdman_> yay my sim is right :)
2015-09-29T17:43:35 < upgrdman_> now the weird part: part 2: roll 18 dice, how many rolls on average needed to see at least 3 dice come up as sixes.
2015-09-29T17:43:40 < upgrdman_> i got 1.67
2015-09-29T17:43:45 < upgrdman_> shouldn
2015-09-29T17:43:53 < upgrdman_> shouldn't it be the same 1.5
2015-09-29T17:44:45 < zyp> no
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2015-09-29T17:49:55 < decimad> hrmm, I think I could only do that with (2 over 18) * 5^16 + (1 over 18) * 5^17 + (0 over 18) * 5^18 so I'd need huge numbers
2015-09-29T17:51:19 < decimad> what's the short answer? :)
2015-09-29T17:51:55 < zyp> still thinking, it's been so long since I did statistics
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2015-09-29T17:52:47 < decimad> so that'd mean 1 - 6^18 / ( the term I stated )
2015-09-29T17:52:57 < decimad> erm
2015-09-29T17:53:00 < decimad> the other way around
2015-09-29T17:53:17 < decimad> (the term I stated / 6^18)
2015-09-29T17:53:31 < decimad> let's see
2015-09-29T17:58:40 < decimad> yeah, it's the simple binomial case, right? ;)
2015-09-29T17:59:23 < fenugrec> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_distribution
2015-09-29T18:00:36 < zyp> oh, right, you're subtracting the probability of 2, 1, or 0
2015-09-29T18:01:49 < decimad> 1/6 success, then we need that we have less or equal to 2 successes... so binomial distribution of 0, 1, 2 (that's actually what I wrote up there, but I wasn't aware of the distribution anymore), sum them up and you have the anti-event
2015-09-29T18:02:11 < zyp> yeah
2015-09-29T18:02:55 < fenugrec> but, yuck.
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2015-09-29T18:09:25 < zyp> yeah, right
2015-09-29T18:09:26 < zyp> 1.6740725237070109
2015-09-29T18:13:57 < rewolff> I played "find-the-chip" yesterday..... Found it... http://prive.bitwizard.nl/stm32f030f.jpg
2015-09-29T18:14:36 < rewolff> The STM32F030F processor is NOT in the center of its package....
2015-09-29T18:14:41 < zyp> more like find the die
2015-09-29T18:14:49 < rewolff> :-)
2015-09-29T18:14:54 < Ecco> weird
2015-09-29T18:14:54 < zyp> laser cut?
2015-09-29T18:14:58 < Ecco> why?
2015-09-29T18:14:59 < rewolff> Yep.
2015-09-29T18:15:05 < Ecco> what package is that BTW?
2015-09-29T18:15:07 < rewolff> For fun. :-)
2015-09-29T18:15:09 < rewolff> TSOP20.
2015-09-29T18:15:11 < Ecco> ok
2015-09-29T18:15:23 < Ecco> so like 5mmx5mm?
2015-09-29T18:15:40 < chris_99> going to use a microscope on it?
2015-09-29T18:16:22 < zyp> uh, looks like you're mostly going to see residue from the package if you try that
2015-09-29T18:16:22 < rewolff> I think we still have some gunk on most of the die's we tried.
2015-09-29T18:16:35 < zyp> yeah
2015-09-29T18:16:45 < Ecco> maybe acetone can clean that shit?
2015-09-29T18:16:49 < rewolff> So next time we'll do a few more passes.
2015-09-29T18:16:54 < rewolff> I tried IPA.
2015-09-29T18:17:00 < zyp> burn the die as well? :)
2015-09-29T18:17:06 < rewolff> i.e. this is with IPA cleaning.
2015-09-29T18:17:39 < rewolff> We tried to laser-cut PCBs. The 35 micro-meter copper doesn't give a F*** how much you laser it.
2015-09-29T18:18:02 < rewolff> It dissipates the heat too quickly to parts not-currently-under-laser-fire.
2015-09-29T18:18:46 < zyp> haha
2015-09-29T18:19:03 < rewolff> It seems the actual die behaves the same. This makes lasering the black stuff that directly contacts the die a bit harder....
2015-09-29T18:19:21 < chris_99> acetone probably won't work alas
2015-09-29T18:19:22 < zyp> and even if you could burn through it, you'll instantly vaporize the fiberglass behind it
2015-09-29T18:19:40 < mtbg> try dimethylformamide
2015-09-29T18:19:42 < rewolff> The guy on hackaday had most of the bonding wires intact before cleaning. Our attemts fried those bonding wires pretty good.....
2015-09-29T18:20:12 < Sync> rewolff: depends on the power your lazor has
2015-09-29T18:20:16 < Sync> but yeah the copper is an issue
2015-09-29T18:21:56 < rewolff> Re Copper PCB lasering: Yeah, we found that as well. Cuts nicely (NOT!) through the PCB, while leaving the copper completely alone.... So to laser just the copper we'd have to make it vaporize the copper and then stop at exactly the right moment before it ruins the fibreglass. Not doable. Project scrapped. Worth a try though.
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2015-09-29T18:24:28 < rewolff> Should I try acetone? I have that. I don't have the dimethylformamide.
2015-09-29T18:26:21 < chris_99> i know fuming nitric can be used for decapping
2015-09-29T18:26:41 < fenugrec> acetone will not attack anything metallic, and I suspect IC packaging plastic will just say "lol" when drowned in acetone
2015-09-29T18:26:58 < Ecco> ok :)
2015-09-29T18:27:13 < Ecco> so very thin-grained sandpaper
2015-09-29T18:27:18 < Ecco> and a lot of patience
2015-09-29T18:27:18 < karlp> drill press :)
2015-09-29T18:27:29 < chris_99> https://siliconpr0n.org/wiki/doku.php?id=decap:epoxy_acid
2015-09-29T18:27:53 < tonyarkles> rewolff: I think the laser copper etching stuff usually uses high power pulsed green lasers
2015-09-29T18:27:58 < tonyarkles> which the copper absorbs better
2015-09-29T18:28:14 < karlp> where's the vid of the guy who made the "narrow" atmega?
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2015-09-29T18:29:49 < upgrdman_> zyp, decimad, fenugrec: thanks for the help with stats.
2015-09-29T18:29:53 < rewolff> Tried Acetone, the cotton swab didn't get dirty. Not much difference.
2015-09-29T18:30:13 < rewolff> Pixel-counting: the die is like 2.3x2.4 mm.
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2015-09-29T18:30:31 < fenugrec> But why all this trouble to get to the die ?
2015-09-29T18:30:50 < rewolff> Why not?
2015-09-29T18:32:00 < rewolff> Didn't you expect the die to be in the middle of the package? I did. The attiny44 is in the middle of the package.
2015-09-29T18:32:05 < fenugrec> I'm assuming you already know what the IC does ? So many other things you could be reverse-engineering instead p-)
2015-09-29T18:32:35 < rewolff> The FT232R is only slightly asymmetric.
2015-09-29T18:33:30 < rewolff> (but maybe its a fake....) (I don't think I have enough die visible to do the compares with the die fotos of the fake vs real ones yet).
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2015-09-29T18:35:43 < decimad> just a week ago I had the case where newer windows 8 serial-over-usb drivers rendered old devices useless, because they got chinese'd
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2015-09-29T18:37:07 < decimad> I'm happy that I transitioned to ethernet for the time being... at least for connections I consider permanent
2015-09-29T18:37:07 < fenugrec> FTDI brickware ?
2015-09-29T18:37:19 < decimad> no, a different vendor, but the same problem
2015-09-29T18:37:26 < fenugrec> hahah
2015-09-29T18:38:04 < decimad> damn, can't recall it
2015-09-29T18:41:14 < decimad> where is it?
2015-09-29T18:41:37 < decimad> oh, sorry, I scrolled to the find-the-chip part accidentally
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2015-09-29T18:52:30 < Fleck> http://imgur.com/y0VXKBx << how do you open those (banana socket)?
2015-09-29T18:56:24 < Sync> dynamite
2015-09-29T18:56:33 < Sync> usually you push the insert out one way
2015-09-29T18:57:20 < Fleck> I need to go grow some muscle then, I can't! :D
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2015-09-29T18:59:22 < decimad> banana shake!
2015-09-29T19:01:42 < decimad> but you do push it in direction of the wiring, right? :)
2015-09-29T19:02:03 < Fleck> ;p
2015-09-29T19:02:44 < zyp> decimad, it looks threaded
2015-09-29T19:02:52 < zyp> so you probably have to unscrew it
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2015-09-29T19:03:23 < zyp> Fleck rather
2015-09-29T19:03:36 < decimad> yeah, push some, then screw
2015-09-29T19:03:39 < Fleck> can't :D I am trying, believe me :P
2015-09-29T19:03:47 < Fleck> yeah, tried that - no luck!
2015-09-29T19:03:59 < decimad> we need to call the banana police!
2015-09-29T19:04:23 < jon1012> (I don't know what you guys got against kicad... I started using it and despite a bit of a learning curve it's quite useable. I started with the new 4.0.0rc1)
2015-09-29T19:04:27 < Fleck> well, I could just break one, but meh
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2015-09-29T19:10:02 < decimad> jon1012 I found it to be really usable as well... I was only disappointed when I wanted to add something and had a look at the sources, since that moment I consider it closed source
2015-09-29T19:10:28 < jon1012> decimad, why ?
2015-09-29T19:12:20 < decimad> Because it had so many quirks at the low level of circuit data structures. It was invented before stl containers and smart pointers it seems
2015-09-29T19:13:02 < decimad> on top of those coding issues came the I_WANT_NO_NAMESPACE_ITEM class naming
2015-09-29T19:13:47 < jon1012> I see
2015-09-29T19:14:08 < jon1012> I've heard that they reworked a lot of things lately
2015-09-29T19:14:11 < Fleck> zyp: http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/banana-plug-female-12847-2459753.jpg << got something like this :D
2015-09-29T19:14:21 < jon1012> (especially for the new opengl ui)
2015-09-29T19:14:47 < decimad> jon1012 then I might recheck... I found it to be unrealistic to step in as a new face and start refactoring everything
2015-09-29T19:15:56 < zyp> Fleck, so there's the small hooks you have to push in
2015-09-29T19:16:14 < Fleck> yeah but I don't see them :/
2015-09-29T19:16:31 < decimad> jon1012 did they add opengl ui? They only had an opengl kicad-pcb window back then
2015-09-29T19:16:46 < jon1012> decimad, yeah, you can edit everything in opengl
2015-09-29T19:16:52 < jon1012> decimad, oh yeah
2015-09-29T19:17:02 < jon1012> decimad, it's only in pcbnew sorry
2015-09-29T19:17:19 < jon1012> decimad, in display > use opengl
2015-09-29T19:17:36 < decimad> yeah, that one was nice, I used it too... besides a few crashes... but I could live with it
2015-09-29T19:17:36 < jon1012> decimad, they were implementing features one by one if I recall well, so I guess it's a rewrite
2015-09-29T19:18:32 < fenugrec> kicad will become seriously interesting when they get around to full sch<->pcb fwd/back annotation
2015-09-29T19:18:48 < fenugrec> with pin/gate swapping, etc.
2015-09-29T19:19:17 < jon1012> fenugrec, I only used eagle and geda before, so those aren't missing for me
2015-09-29T19:19:25 < decimad> with reasonable data structures this seems doable... except those ambiguous corner cases which are bound to happen
2015-09-29T19:19:59 < fenugrec> eagle does it... the problem (IIRC) was transferring, without races, changes between 2 processes
2015-09-29T19:20:17 < jon1012> fenugrec, well, only from sch to brd no the other way around
2015-09-29T19:20:33 < jon1012> fenugrec, and when you do, it just erases traces and places new components
2015-09-29T19:20:41 < jon1012> fenugrec, on kicad, if you reload netlist it does the same
2015-09-29T19:20:47 < fenugrec> eagle is all single-process so it's "easy". In Eagle you can pinswap from the brd view no ?
2015-09-29T19:20:48 < decimad> What I was wondering, is it normal that schematic traces are 'drawn' instead of a real connected graph?
2015-09-29T19:21:13 < decimad> I was always baffled when I moved a part and the traces would not follow
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2015-09-29T19:21:31 < jon1012> decimad, yeah same
2015-09-29T19:21:32 < fenugrec> decimad there's a difference between "move" and "grab",
2015-09-29T19:22:11 < fenugrec> Drag, sorry
2015-09-29T19:22:22 < decimad> I wonder why I didn't step over this...
2015-09-29T19:22:33 < decimad> could have saved me a bunch of redrawing nets
2015-09-29T19:23:41 < jon1012> arg indeed, grab
2015-09-29T19:23:48 < jon1012> thanks !
2015-09-29T19:23:58 < jon1012> (doesn't work in opengl btw)
2015-09-29T19:24:00 < decimad> But since I dont come from the pcb area, I had expected this stuff work like "normal" software. Like, you click a net, and then you can move it... you click a corner, then you can move the point, etc...
2015-09-29T19:24:24 < fenugrec> jon1012 I had doubts for a second, but in Eagle 5 you can pinswap in the BRD, and the SCH will follow. That's back-annotation, and can be extra super useful
2015-09-29T19:24:35 < jon1012> fenugrec, never used it
2015-09-29T19:24:58 < decimad> oh, I'm talkin eeschema here... the router was okay
2015-09-29T19:25:00 < fenugrec> jon1012 what about re-numbering parts inside a PCB view ? Not sure kicad can do that
2015-09-29T19:25:15 < fenugrec> i.e. R12 <-> R394874
2015-09-29T19:25:33 < jon1012> fenugrec, each time I tried to change something in pcb view I got "please do it in schematic view" message
2015-09-29T19:25:44 < decimad> when I last looked, eeschema and pcbnew didnt know anything about each other
2015-09-29T19:25:50 < decimad> the data was transferred over a file format
2015-09-29T19:25:52 < fenugrec> (jon1012 gate-swap is also precious when you have a bunch of quad op-amps and a tight layout, and not 8 layers to play with  p-)
2015-09-29T19:25:55 < jon1012> fenugrec, and when I tried harder got "anottation has been severed" crap
2015-09-29T19:25:57 < fenugrec> hehe, there you go
2015-09-29T19:26:26 < decimad> and pcbnew would cache the data and could update it from a new input file
2015-09-29T19:26:36 < fenugrec> So yeah, I'm not using kicad yet.
2015-09-29T19:28:05 < fenugrec> (For me the move VS drag thing was "obvious" because it's the same in LTSpice p-))
2015-09-29T19:28:46 < Bundestrojaner> mtbg: i have found the usart-problem (and the explanation why all timers work): USART_Init calls RCC_GetClocksFreq(&RCC_ClocksStatus);, which returns 288MHz for System_CLK and (more important) USART2_CLK...
2015-09-29T19:28:46 < Bundestrojaner> 48*6=288 -> baudrate = 19200/6
2015-09-29T19:32:28 < Fleck> zyp: http://imgur.com/lIHDVJV :D I need more power :D I can't just push it out
2015-09-29T19:33:05 < Fleck> that cap is messed up now :D used screwdriver :p
2015-09-29T19:33:38 < mtbg> Bundestrojaner: ok, so then you were supposed to set that variable to your crystal frequency?
2015-09-29T19:34:01 < Fleck> they could just sell them like that, not put together :/
2015-09-29T19:35:04 < Bundestrojaner> mtbg: which variable?
2015-09-29T19:35:22 < mtbg> SystemCoreClock
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2015-09-29T19:40:15 < decimad> Has anybody tried overclocking an stm32f4 yet?
2015-09-29T19:40:43 < decimad> maybe 192MHz would work too
2015-09-29T19:41:21 < mtbg> you
2015-09-29T19:41:27 < mtbg> oops
2015-09-29T19:41:36 < mtbg> you'd have to execute from ram then
2015-09-29T19:42:20 < karlp> bleh, eagle likes to keep current view settings in the project file.
2015-09-29T19:42:28 < karlp> I guess that's sane, but it makes diffing a bit of a pain
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2015-09-29T19:43:20 < decimad> yeah, such stuff is better stored inside an optional additional file...
2015-09-29T19:56:28 < Bundestrojaner> mtbg: the problem was: HSE_VALUE was defined to 48MHz in the project properties...
2015-09-29T19:56:46 < karlp> eclipse for the win!
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2015-09-29T20:00:49 < mtbg> ok
2015-09-29T20:00:52 < upgrdman_> decimad, not an f4, but i often overclock f0 from 48MHz to 64MHz with zero problems
2015-09-29T20:01:04 < upgrdman_> maybe f4 has a similar margin
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2015-09-29T20:28:46 < aadamson> Bundestrojaner, didn't I mentioned there was a *define* that you have to set for the crystal frequency?  with the gnueclipse plugin you should have set it when you created the project as it asks for that value there and it's in the project defines for the project... ;(...
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2015-09-29T20:33:08 < Bundestrojaner> aadamson: you did, but i searched in the wrong functions for it...
2015-09-29T20:33:08 < Bundestrojaner> i thought the systemclk is wrong
2015-09-29T20:34:01 < aadamson> nope, sorry, should have mentioned it was *that* define... just set it to the main osc freq... if on a discovery just set it to 8mhz then
2015-09-29T20:34:08 < aadamson> the build process will take care of the rest.
2015-09-29T20:34:52 < aadamson> *I* didn't like all the *old std perip* and cmsis, etc, so I upgraded mine all to the latest after the fact and when I did that, I updated the systemxxx.c file with a clock tool built version
2015-09-29T20:36:19 < aadamson> but it's *NOT* straigh forward in how you do that, you can't just copy over the later files (well you can, but you'll end up with some built errors depending on what you have your warnings set too, - I prefer pretty strong ones)
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2015-09-29T20:37:57 < aadamson> and on the STM's do yourself a favor if just getting started and make sure that the -f for single precision is in effect, so if you have doubles, they get translated to something that the processor can easily work with.
2015-09-29T20:39:05 < Fleck> yesss, this is how you do it: http://imgur.com/ATrSOiP :D
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2015-09-29T20:41:42 < Bundestrojaner> aadamson: it's defined in stm32f0xx.h too, but with #ifndef. I defined it in my main without, so i get a warning for redefinition if it's set somewhere else
2015-09-29T20:41:58 < aadamson> I suppose that really an FPU related issue for the processors, but fyi... you can look up single-precision-constant for specifics
2015-09-29T20:43:11 < Bundestrojaner> aadamson: how is that floating-point-related?
2015-09-29T20:43:45 < aadamson> Well, it's supposed to be defined in the project->properties->c/c++ general->paths and symbols->symbols tab
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2015-09-29T20:45:28 < aadamson> Bundestrojaner, it's specific to the processors with FPU as they only support 32 bit float
2015-09-29T20:45:33 < aadamson> no 64 bit float
2015-09-29T20:46:01 < aadamson> not sure if that covers the newer *big arms*, I've not messed with them
2015-09-29T20:47:38 < aadamson> Bundestrojaner, btw, with that !defined in the .h file, you could actually *remove* that system define in the project properties if you are only going to be messing with the 8mhz disocovery clock setup (and any other defines that you've added)
2015-09-29T20:48:11 < aadamson> btw, putting in in main.h, you then have to make sure that it's precidence is correct or some files may miss it... better to put that in the commandline like it was intended
2015-09-29T20:48:22 < Bundestrojaner> already done. and i have this define now in my main.
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2015-09-29T20:48:37 < Bundestrojaner> so i get a warning if it's defined somewhere else
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2015-09-29T23:46:02 < decimad> Reading the Timer description is like: "If XaZUA is asserted but GBGAw2 and AAAFD23, then, depending on JK§22 F444 might be triggered, if the AAT333321-Bit is not set in the JJgdwX32X register.
2015-09-29T23:46:34 < decimad> (see diagram 3 for an overview)
2015-09-29T23:48:40 < decimad> I wonder if ST's recruitment tests involve being graded on comprehending their docs
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2015-09-29T23:59:42 < Fleck> ;p
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2015-09-30T00:04:36 < upgrdman_> decimad, they just want to weed out the weaker developers ;) the timer chapters were also full of typos when i last read them (~2yrs ago)
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2015-09-30T00:18:58 < decimad> upgrdman_ no stm documentation in the world can stop me from world domination!
2015-09-30T00:19:54 < decimad> I found arm's documentation to be really well actually
2015-09-30T00:20:13 < upgrdman_> nxp docs suck too
2015-09-30T00:20:44 < upgrdman_> at least in my experience, nxp writes better paragraphs, but draw crappier diagrams
2015-09-30T00:20:54 < upgrdman_> or leaves out diagrams all together
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2015-09-30T00:21:25 < upgrdman_> why cant everyone have a doc team like TI
2015-09-30T00:23:36 < Bundestrojaner> upgrdman_: see stm32f03r8 manual, fig 224.
2015-09-30T00:23:36 < Bundestrojaner> Their Usart contains a "transmit shit-register"
2015-09-30T00:23:56 < upgrdman_> :)
2015-09-30T00:26:42 < Bundestrojaner> is there something like a minimum time out between 2 bytes on usart? (i mean an extra break between stopbit(s) and next start-bit)
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2015-09-30T00:27:17 < upgrdman_> i dont think any is required
2015-09-30T00:27:25 < upgrdman_> not sure if stm does it or not
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2015-09-30T00:38:43 < mrtumnus> no, it will be continuous
2015-09-30T00:38:52 < mrtumnus> start bit right after stop
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2015-09-30T01:23:52 < upgrdman_> anyone here familiar with induction heaters? the pro ones let you adjust the frequency, while hobby ones are usually a ZVS setup to make it gentler on the FETs. for variable frequency setups, do they just PWM the gate open-loop and accept the inductive spikes? its not like they can change the parallel capacitance, so im not sure how else they might do it.
2015-09-30T01:27:06 < Sync> they are simply driving it hard
2015-09-30T01:27:17 < Sync> but most high power units actively track resonance
2015-09-30T01:27:26 < Sync> as you can push moar power there
2015-09-30T01:31:52 < upgrdman_> what do you mean by "driving it hard"? not waiting for current to reach zero before switching?
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2015-09-30T01:47:30 < artag> have you seen John de Armond's blog ?
2015-09-30T01:48:21 < artag> he has a mailing list for DIY induction heaters too
2015-09-30T01:48:38 < upgrdman_> i have not. will google.
2015-09-30T01:53:44 < artag> he's very thorough, and he sells some (quite expensive) kits
2015-09-30T01:54:04 < artag> or maybe I'm just cheap and they're good value
2015-09-30T01:55:18 < upgrdman_> ya i dont even have a need for this, but its been a pet project i started on a whim and feel like i should finish
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2015-09-30T01:56:51 < artag> he doesn't just push the kits though, he 's pretty helpful. there's been discussion on his list recently about modifying cheap induction cookers
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2015-09-30T02:04:48 < GargantuaSauce> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477454
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2015-09-30T02:08:47 < upgrdman_> GargantuaSauce, LOL
2015-09-30T02:10:14 < upgrdman_> how did you find that bug report?
2015-09-30T02:10:39 < GargantuaSauce> twatter
2015-09-30T02:10:43 < upgrdman_> nice
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2015-09-30T02:23:02 < BFreeze> I agree with flyback. High current inductive loads are typically FETs.
2015-09-30T02:23:25 < BFreeze> Ooops
2015-09-30T02:23:27 < BFreeze> lol
2015-09-30T02:23:36 < BFreeze> Yeah, IGBTs.
2015-09-30T02:23:58 < BFreeze> Hybrid electric vehicles and full-electric vehicles use IGBTs. I have a small inductive cooktop I took apart; It uses IGBTs, too.
2015-09-30T02:24:55 < GargantuaSauce> i think the intent is to supply it with low voltage dc
2015-09-30T02:25:07 < Laurenceb__> flyback is here
2015-09-30T02:25:07 < GargantuaSauce> which IGBTs are not particularly suitable to switch
2015-09-30T02:25:08 < Laurenceb__> wow
2015-09-30T02:25:20 < Laurenceb__> and he said CANUCK
2015-09-30T02:26:11 < BFreeze> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00115561.pdf   <--- Flyback: You can show him this.
2015-09-30T02:29:57 < BFreeze> lol, yep.
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2015-09-30T02:38:58 < englishman> Hey flyback, what's canucking
2015-09-30T02:40:30 < BFreeze> I'm a real canuck-up.
2015-09-30T02:40:51 < Sync> flyback: that's not really true
2015-09-30T02:41:00 < Sync> modern mosfets are usually more efficient at higher voltages
2015-09-30T02:41:16 < Bundestrojaner> a prof. showed us an igbt ~40x20x5cm^^
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2015-09-30T03:32:27 < zyp> Sync, depends
2015-09-30T03:32:37 < Sync> sure
2015-09-30T03:32:48 < Sync> but in my experience they are
2015-09-30T03:32:58 < Sync> especially in resonant apps
2015-09-30T03:33:11 < Sync> hardswitching it is so-so
2015-09-30T03:34:54 < zyp> for high voltages, IGBTs tends to have lower on-state resistance than FETs but FETs tend to be faster, so frequency is an important part of the equation
2015-09-30T03:35:32 < Sync> igbts do not have a on resistance
2015-09-30T03:35:40 < Sync> they have a voltage drop at saturation
2015-09-30T03:35:58 < Sync> so I*Usat vs I²*Rdson
2015-09-30T03:36:03 < Sync> + dynamic losses
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2015-09-30T03:36:31 < zyp> doesn't have to be linear to be a resistance
2015-09-30T03:36:59 < zyp> or constant for that matter
2015-09-30T03:37:20 < Sync> sure but it is unusual to describe it as a resistance
2015-09-30T03:37:24 < zyp> the voltage drop isn't strictly constant with varying current anyway
2015-09-30T03:37:46 < Sync> the saturation voltage stays pretty much the same
2015-09-30T03:39:26 < Sync> it increases with current, of course but for most purposes it is fine to say it stays the same
2015-09-30T03:39:33 < Sync> or rather for comparison purposes
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2015-09-30T03:40:17 < zyp> my point still stands, the on state voltage drop and hence dissipated power tends to be lower
2015-09-30T03:44:47 < Sync> ok, lets compare FGH60N60SMD vs IPW65R019C7
2015-09-30T03:45:00 < Sync> the igbt says 1.9V Uds at 60A
2015-09-30T03:45:32 < Sync> which is 114W, the fet says 19mOhm at 25°C junction temp, thus 68W
2015-09-30T03:46:43 < zyp> that's a pretty small IGBT
2015-09-30T03:47:19 < Sync> both are used in similar applications
2015-09-30T03:47:26 < Sync> which is why I'm comparing them
2015-09-30T03:47:45 < Sync> if we are going for big tractive apps igbts are better as there are not a lot of mosfet bricks
2015-09-30T03:48:18 < Sync> although up to 20-40kW I'm seeing more and more fets
2015-09-30T03:50:14 < fenugrec> I doubt the jct will stay at 25C very long @ 68W p-)
2015-09-30T03:50:29 < zyp> was about to remark on that
2015-09-30T03:50:34 < Sync> sure
2015-09-30T03:51:20 < Sync> but if you look at the high temp spec they come out exactly even
2015-09-30T03:52:15 < Sync> the game has changed in the last years in favor of fets, although igbts also have gotten better dynamically
2015-09-30T03:53:17 < fenugrec> interesting
2015-09-30T03:54:25 < Sync> and you can decrease overall system losses by throwing fets at it because they parallel and decrease resistance
2015-09-30T03:54:30 < Sync> which igbts cannot
2015-09-30T03:54:57 < zyp> looking at the high temp spec I see 144W, that's higher than 126W for the FET
2015-09-30T03:56:07 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-09-30T03:56:09 < dongs> any zano news
2015-09-30T03:56:24 < zyp> nah, but dhl finally picked up my dildo
2015-09-30T03:56:50 < dongs> they will deliver it by zano
2015-09-30T03:57:29 < Sync> I was looking at the graph below and used 35mOhm
2015-09-30T03:57:38 < Sync> but yeah, still
2015-09-30T03:58:30 < zyp> what happens if you look at twice that voltage?
2015-09-30T03:58:44 < Sync> 1200V?
2015-09-30T03:59:01 < Sync> well, then it shifts to igbts again
2015-09-30T04:00:13 < Sync> but you see my point, for most off-line applications fets are very good candidates
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2015-09-30T04:06:32 < GargantuaSauce> tip13 for lyfe
2015-09-30T04:09:18 < zyp> Sync, never claimed fets aren't candidates, but they still cover different areas
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2015-09-30T04:23:33 < ColdKeyboard> Does anyone know what parts of Transmitting nRF24L01 module registers and Receiving nRF24L01 module register have to match for them to communicate?
2015-09-30T04:23:57 < ColdKeyboard> I've set up pretty much all of them to match TX/RX part but the communication doesn't work :\
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2015-09-30T04:29:35 < dongs> skype client started showing ads in chat window
2015-09-30T04:30:10 < zyp> guess that's how microsoft makes money nowadays
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2015-09-30T04:35:33 < dongs> http://bcp-usw45.zenfs.com/media/en_us/News/Takepart.com/noiselevelphotos.jpg
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2015-09-30T05:20:28 < dongs> zyp, heading to best korea again this weekend.
2015-09-30T05:20:33 < dongs> will poke about arcin stuff
2015-09-30T05:20:47 < zyp> cool
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2015-09-30T05:20:59 < zyp> what's the current status?
2015-09-30T05:21:12 < dongs> all received i think
2015-09-30T05:21:17 < dongs> but there was some fgt holiday
2015-09-30T05:21:18 < dongs> for liek a week
2015-09-30T05:21:24 < zyp> I'm assuming it's progressing, so I haven't bothered asking much
2015-09-30T05:21:29 < zyp> haha, ok
2015-09-30T05:22:05 < dongs> and i ordered a bag of JST-ZH clones from chiangirl
2015-09-30T05:22:11 < dongs> they look identical to real jst
2015-09-30T05:22:12 < zyp> not too much in a hurry, getting them means I actually have to do work
2015-09-30T05:22:12 < dongs> so impress
2015-09-30T05:22:17 < zyp> testing, packing and shipping shit
2015-09-30T05:22:35 < dongs> it w as like $0.12/ea for real or $16 for a bag of 1k of clones
2015-09-30T05:23:08 < zyp> I've sold almost half already, so they'll head out again as soon as they arrives here
2015-09-30T05:24:07 < zyp> which is neat because that means I'm not paying out of my pocket for production this time :p
2015-09-30T05:24:26 < dongs> isnt that always neat
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2015-09-30T05:26:47 < zyp> hmm, I should probably stop being awake all night
2015-09-30T05:26:53 < dongs> thats a good plan
2015-09-30T05:26:56 < dongs> i went to sleep at 4 lat night
2015-09-30T05:26:57 < zyp> so I'll be awake when DHL guy comes
2015-09-30T05:26:58 < dongs> it was not good
2015-09-30T05:27:04 < zyp> 4:27 here now
2015-09-30T05:28:41 < zyp> I guess my shit arrives on thursday, unless DHL suddenly decides to be slow fucks
2015-09-30T05:29:26 < zyp> sent from HK tonight, so I assume it'll be in europe tomorrow (later today)
2015-09-30T05:29:38 < dongs> it'll be in germany
2015-09-30T05:30:42 < zyp> oh well, bed
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2015-09-30T05:40:46 < upgrdman> flyback, this is my induction heater. as you can see, it's a little baby. not some beefy industrial tool.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHv33XZ9xDo
2015-09-30T05:41:14 < dongs> damn bro you so hax
2015-09-30T05:41:44 < dongs> will we hear that electric THUD sound when you close the switch
2015-09-30T05:43:47 < upgrdman> ya well if you drive it outside of resonance, the spikes could become noteworthy
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2015-09-30T05:44:53 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-30T05:47:02 < upgrdman> what makes they so resilient? the added isolation of FET driving the BJT?
2015-09-30T05:48:25 < dongs> upgrdman: this is wat i wanna hear in your vid https://youtu.be/VKLsWW4gym8?t=13
2015-09-30T05:49:59 < upgrdman> dongs, nice. this is one the parts that i hate about my current place. no where that i can play with dangerous stuff. no garage or backyard :( so i don't dare fuck with >1kW or else my idea desk might easily catch fire
2015-09-30T05:50:24 < upgrdman> tile?
2015-09-30T05:50:36 < upgrdman> I DO. YOU CAN EVEN SEEN THE TILE IN MY VIDEO :)
2015-09-30T05:51:01 < upgrdman> lol
2015-09-30T05:51:10 < upgrdman> hi R2COM!
2015-09-30T05:51:51 < upgrdman> ya
2015-09-30T05:51:58 < upgrdman> im more worried about the fire alarm
2015-09-30T05:52:03 < upgrdman> i cant disable it easily
2015-09-30T05:52:10 < upgrdman> 9V + mains powered
2015-09-30T05:52:20 < upgrdman> and not even wired to one of my breakers
2015-09-30T05:52:31 < upgrdman> no room. my place is small.
2015-09-30T05:53:54 < upgrdman> no kids. but ya, good work surface to use
2015-09-30T05:54:30 < upgrdman> k
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2015-09-30T05:59:55 < ColdKeyboard> Is there a short way to just disable interrupt on change until some function finishes and re-enable it after that?
2015-09-30T06:00:16 < ColdKeyboard> I tried searching for EXTI_IMR but I can't access it or I'm typing the wrong name
2015-09-30T06:00:51 < upgrdman> NVIC_EnableSomeShit()?
2015-09-30T06:01:06 < upgrdman> and DisableSomeShit()
2015-09-30T06:01:11 < dongs> interrupt on changewhat?
2015-09-30T06:01:15 < dongs> disable all interrupts?
2015-09-30T06:01:21 < upgrdman> exti
2015-09-30T06:01:35 < ColdKeyboard> I need timer, usart and other interrupts but I just want to disable interrupt on change
2015-09-30T06:01:46 < upgrdman> pin change? exti?
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2015-09-30T06:01:56 < dongs> then dont enable it?
2015-09-30T06:02:00 < dongs> its not on by default for sure.
2015-09-30T06:02:17 < upgrdman> i think he wants to temp disable it
2015-09-30T06:02:23 < ColdKeyboard> upgrdman: yes :)
2015-09-30T06:02:31 < dongs> so do the opposiute of how youre enabling it
2015-09-30T06:02:35 < dongs> god damn man, is this so difficul
2015-09-30T06:02:37 < dongs> t
2015-09-30T06:02:58 < upgrdman> NVIC_EnableIRQ(EXTI0_1_IRQn); // irq for pins 0,1
2015-09-30T06:03:05 < upgrdman> NVIC_EnableIRQ(EXTI2_3_IRQn); // irq for pins 2,3
2015-09-30T06:03:12 < upgrdman> NVIC_EnableIRQ(EXTI4_15_IRQn); // irq for pins 4-15
2015-09-30T06:03:13 < dongs> nice link bro
2015-09-30T06:03:25 < dongs> upgrdman: surely disabling it in EXTI would make 1000x more sense
2015-09-30T06:03:27 < upgrdman> ColdKeyboard, and correspondign Disable function too
2015-09-30T06:03:33 < ColdKeyboard> upgrdman: Thanks! :)
2015-09-30T06:04:11 < upgrdman> dongs, oh ya. doh.
2015-09-30T06:04:15 < upgrdman> ColdKeyboard, look into SYSCFG->EXTICR
2015-09-30T06:04:24 < upgrdman> its probably the better way than what i just mentioned
2015-09-30T06:04:25 < dongs> upgrdman: how can I generate a .wav like this http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/wp-content/uploads/three-phase-voltage-waveforms-separated-by-120-electrical-degrees.gif
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2015-09-30T06:04:47 < dongs> i just need 3 sines 120" out of phase but my shitty closedsores audio app doesn't do it
2015-09-30T06:05:19 < upgrdman> no idea
2015-09-30T06:05:25 < upgrdman> never fucked with audio
2015-09-30T06:05:32 < dongs> its probly a oneliner in manlab
2015-09-30T06:05:38 < upgrdman> srsly
2015-09-30T06:06:15 < mtbg> audacity will probably be able to do it
2015-09-30T06:07:10 < mtbg> nope, not directly, there is no phase setting for tone generation :>
2015-09-30T06:07:51 < fenugrec> CoolEdit 2.1 p-)
2015-09-30T06:08:46 < dongs> mtbg: already looked into it
2015-09-30T06:09:03 < dongs> http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/generate_menu.html#tone
2015-09-30T06:09:08 < dongs> typical uselss opensores shit
2015-09-30T06:09:18 < dongs> that dialog box just makes me wanna stab
2015-09-30T06:09:20 < dongs> awful as fuck
2015-09-30T06:16:02 < dongs> flycack
2015-09-30T06:18:39 < mtbg> octave can though
2015-09-30T06:18:44 < mtbg> http://octave.sourceforge.net/audio/function/ausave.html
2015-09-30T06:19:14 < ColdKeyboard> Does nRF24L01 support full duplex? Or can it store RX data in buffer while it's transmitting? Or all data that is meant for the device is lost during the TX phase
2015-09-30T06:19:27 < upgrdman> lol. netflix meets makers...  http://makeit.netflix.com/the-switch
2015-09-30T06:20:52 < mtbg> btw
2015-09-30T06:22:34 < mtbg> someone may be interested: there is usb lte modem for under $50, which is basically a linux computer with out of the box telnet access to shell
2015-09-30T06:22:50 < mtbg> it has SD card slot, something like 53MB ram available
2015-09-30T06:23:13 < mtbg> and USB in the soc itself is on the go, so maybe could be hacked to work as a host
2015-09-30T06:24:00 < dongs> link
2015-09-30T06:24:24 < mtbg> http://www.ztedevice.com/product/data_card/2568654e-c0d9-479d-a77f-17c340ff211d.html
2015-09-30T06:25:21 < mtbg> the soc is qualcomm MDM9215
2015-09-30T06:26:11 < dongs> that runs lannex?
2015-09-30T06:26:14 < dongs> i thought it was just a modem
2015-09-30T06:26:30 < mtbg> registers as rndis ethernet adapter
2015-09-30T06:26:36 < mtbg> runs dhcp server and nat
2015-09-30T06:26:50 < mtbg> and you can telnet to it and log in as root
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2015-09-30T06:27:03 < mtbg> and yes, runs linux
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2015-09-30T06:27:44 < dongs> maybe can hook it up to zano
2015-09-30T06:27:47 < dongs> to extend wireless range!!!
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2015-09-30T06:29:39 < dongs> upgrdman: why you got 2 disilkes on that vid
2015-09-30T06:29:48 < upgrdman> i dunno
2015-09-30T06:30:38 < upgrdman> i mean the video isn't entertaining, but it's not shit either. i guess some people are hard to please
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2015-09-30T06:32:39 < upgrdman> maybe they wanted me to talk. im videos where i talk and hold your cock while walking you through a tutorial, i get lots of thumbs-up.
2015-09-30T06:33:15 < dongs> your cock hlding is no match to eevbeg
2015-09-30T06:33:46 < dongs> he's got that down to a science
2015-09-30T06:34:38 < upgrdman> *nods*
2015-09-30T06:36:15 < mtbg> a drone with LTE could be fun, but probably too short battery life anyway
2015-09-30T06:36:24 < mtbg> maybe a small blimp would be better
2015-09-30T06:36:25 < mtbg> :>
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2015-09-30T06:50:39 < upgrdman> dongs, R2COM:  http://imgur.com/gallery/ICDITcw
2015-09-30T07:13:01 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/worlds-smallest-Jigsaw-White-hell-M71-847/dp/B008DCQE3O
2015-09-30T07:18:41 < upgrdman> no pic printed on it?
2015-09-30T07:18:58 < dongs> correct
2015-09-30T07:20:05 < mtbg> but there are only two types of pieces for the center of this puzzle
2015-09-30T07:20:14 < mtbg> and two types for the sides
2015-09-30T07:21:35 < dongs> but they're slightly different
2015-09-30T07:21:38 < dongs> so they only fit one way.
2015-09-30T07:22:21 < mtbg> ok
2015-09-30T07:30:55 < ReadError> i think its time to go fullblown
2015-09-30T07:31:02 < ReadError> and invest in a tagconnect
2015-09-30T07:31:40 < dongs> full-retard more like
2015-09-30T07:32:38 < ReadError> well this is some high volume cloning stuff my friend
2015-09-30T07:32:52 < ReadError> I cant hold the chinese back
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2015-09-30T08:14:59 < kakimir> poo
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2015-09-30T08:38:22 < dongs> zyp: oh, arcin parts are arrinvig today.
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2015-09-30T08:46:40 < dongs> since when does google play store allow buying hardware with play balance?
2015-09-30T08:46:52 < dongs> i wanna pickup dixus5x but i dont wanna pay realmoney
2015-09-30T08:47:18 < Roklobsta> you those spare bitcoins
2015-09-30T08:49:40 < ds2> been a while... heard about it during the galaxy nexus era
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2015-09-30T09:15:34 < dongs> Really sorry to all the lucky preorder customers that have received their Zano's but, I still can't believe they are getting Zano's before backers. Did we back this project so that preorders would get theirs first, would we have backed Zano if we knew that preorders would ship first?
2015-09-30T09:15:39 < dongs> I think not! TG has made a huge and unforgivable mistake by doing this. And as an even bigger slap in the face, early backers in the UK have had to watch later preorders receive their Zano's, I mean come on, at least ship to backers in each region first. This has become ridiculous!
2015-09-30T09:16:27 < Getty> so there are people with a zano?
2015-09-30T09:16:33 < Getty> that is actually far more surprising
2015-09-30T09:16:34 < dongs> like 3
2015-09-30T09:16:39 < aandrew> I was going to say the same
2015-09-30T09:16:43 < dongs> but there's no app to fly it
2015-09-30T09:16:45 < dongs> with
2015-09-30T09:16:51 < Getty> ????
2015-09-30T09:17:14 < Getty> dongs: everything you say about zano makes no sense.....
2015-09-30T09:17:55 < Getty> so 3 people have it, cant fly it, and the others are complaining cause those 3 actually preordered and.... they.... dont complain? show off... nothing? i dont get it
2015-09-30T09:18:33 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12039286_1002646219800754_7530292891099722877_n.jpg?oh=7f1cdd360501072085cd8ce0f5d169d2&oe=568BE2CE some german got a zano
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2015-09-30T09:18:42 < dongs> cant fly cuz assdroid app is locked from registrations
2015-09-30T09:18:44 < dongs> cuz "it crashes"
2015-09-30T09:18:57 < dongs> anyway
2015-09-30T09:19:03 < dongs> the thing I figured out yesterday
2015-09-30T09:19:10 < dongs> https://twitter.com/zanoconspiracy/status/648850641863860225
2015-09-30T09:19:11 < dongs> this
2015-09-30T09:19:13 < dongs> its has to be this
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2015-09-30T09:19:31 < Getty> hehe makes sense
2015-09-30T09:19:38 < Getty> but why he cares about the kickstarter page at all?
2015-09-30T09:20:03 < dongs> well, thats where 2.3mil came from
2015-09-30T09:20:11 < Getty> yeah but its there, done
2015-09-30T09:20:13 < Getty> there will not be more
2015-09-30T09:20:16 < dongs> right
2015-09-30T09:20:29 < Getty> and there will be no turn back (or at least, that would be anyway holocaust)
2015-09-30T09:20:49 < Getty> i dont think just some bad reviews could bring down the kickstarter
2015-09-30T09:20:58 < Getty> does kickstarter at all has a payback strategy?!?!
2015-09-30T09:21:06 < dongs> no but
2015-09-30T09:21:20 < dongs> for 2.3gbp in EU, there is bound to be some class - action like thing
2015-09-30T09:21:37 < jpa-> more likely the theory that preorders have a bit of customer protection (and perhaps within credit card claim period), while backers are screwed already
2015-09-30T09:21:39 < dongs> also, dickstarter is "public" forum
2015-09-30T09:21:49 < dongs> people searchin zano -> go to dickstarter -> click preorder button
2015-09-30T09:21:55 < dongs> they go read comments
2015-09-30T09:21:59 < dongs> everyone screaming "scam" and "shit sux"
2015-09-30T09:22:02 < dongs> they wont go further
2015-09-30T09:22:06 < dongs> so they dont want any negative stuff on there
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2015-09-30T09:23:09 < Getty> but its still happening now
2015-09-30T09:23:20 < Getty> i bet some kickstarter make big stress now
2015-09-30T09:23:35 < dongs> yeah there's refund stuff already coming up in some comments
2015-09-30T09:23:46 < dongs> but then its drowned by cock-strokers "BUT TG IS DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB!!11"
2015-09-30T09:24:13 < Getty> mh they probably backed a lot themself
2015-09-30T09:24:31 < Getty> like taking half the base investment money they might have gathered from the bank to bake themself
2015-09-30T09:24:53 < Getty> i mean.... most of the time i was reading the comments and was just wondering how much passion someone can give for someone who has proven nothing of competence
2015-09-30T09:25:01 < dongs> HEH
2015-09-30T09:25:04 < dongs> right
2015-09-30T09:25:12 < dongs> the cock-stroking
2015-09-30T09:25:43 < Getty> i mean, that is even more stupid as the apple loving... there at least is some "preproduct" where you can say "it will be that quality again, i like that quality"
2015-09-30T09:25:56 < Getty> but there..... what the hell are they cheering for? why can people be so illusioned?
2015-09-30T09:26:44 < Roklobsta> they got zano religion.
2015-09-30T09:27:10 < Getty> we already call the apple stuff religion, that with zano is more like a cult
2015-09-30T09:27:24 < Getty> and at some point they all drink poison
2015-09-30T09:27:41 < Roklobsta> coz when you die you get 72 zanos
2015-09-30T09:27:46 < Getty> hahahhahahahaaha
2015-09-30T09:28:06 < Getty> now it all makes sense
2015-09-30T09:28:21 < dongs> The Zano's ability to stop in mid-air and hold its position and then return to home at the tap of a button is really impressive ... or would have been had they shown that. Instead I see a drone that is LESS capable than the $50 toy on my desk. I have a very bad feeling about this.
2015-09-30T09:28:37 < Sync> amaze
2015-09-30T09:28:51 < Getty> NO SHIT! ;)
2015-09-30T09:29:34 < Roklobsta> it seemed like such an easy thing to execute when they were at the pub 18 months ago.
2015-09-30T09:30:01 < Sync> ^
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2015-09-30T09:32:44 < Getty> i can just hope that it was a planned scam..... at least their plan for this was brilliant, no doubt on that
2015-09-30T09:33:15 < dongs> http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/SQ-4-RECON-Micro-UAV-AUVSI-Unma
2015-09-30T09:33:36 < dongs> check out this amazing hobbyking parts quadcopter
2015-09-30T09:36:39 < emeb_mac> "amazing"
2015-09-30T09:38:00 < dongs> reedman talks so much shit
2015-09-30T09:38:03 < dongs> it is in sanea
2015-09-30T09:38:05 < dongs> insane, too
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2015-09-30T09:58:21 < PaulFertser> Why is that dickstarter doesn't hire a professional engineer auditor to assess the feasibility of projects?
2015-09-30T09:58:44 < dongs> there are companies actually
2015-09-30T09:58:45 < dongs> that do this
2015-09-30T09:58:52 < dongs> but its not dickstarters job to verfiy i guess
2015-09-30T10:00:00 < PaulFertser> Well, for the health of their project as a whole they'd probably better try at least a little bit to prevent scam.
2015-09-30T10:00:15 < dongs> why?
2015-09-30T10:00:17 < dongs> tehy have no thing to lose
2015-09-30T10:00:25 < dongs> they can keep 5% of 2.3mil
2015-09-30T10:00:30 < dongs> or theyt can not fund the project
2015-09-30T10:00:37 < dongs> $anything is better than zero.
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2015-09-30T10:25:46 < PeterM> [12:51] <upgrdman> im more worried about the fire alarm
2015-09-30T10:25:47 < PeterM> [12:52] <flyback> fume hood then
2015-09-30T10:25:47 < PeterM> [12:52] <upgrdman> no room. my place is small.
2015-09-30T10:25:47 < PeterM> you should get one of these https://www.hakko.com/english/products/hakko_fa430.html pricey but worth it 100%
2015-09-30T10:29:24 < dongs> how loud is it
2015-09-30T10:29:40 < emeryth> wow it protects against powdered milk! https://www.hakko.com/english/products/hakko_fa430/imgs/fa430_1.jpg
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2015-09-30T10:32:01 < dongs> PeterM: $650?!??!
2015-09-30T10:32:09 < Sync> upgrdman: pfft, just toggle it off when it triggers
2015-09-30T10:32:22 < PeterM> [17:25] <PeterM> you should get one of these https://www.hakko.com/english/products/hakko_fa430.html
2015-09-30T10:32:38 < PeterM> copypasta fail
2015-09-30T10:32:39 < PeterM> pricey but worth it 100%
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2015-09-30T10:32:54 < dongs> yeah, i get 'pricey', i din't expect it to be 5x of what I thought pricey
2015-09-30T10:33:33 < Sync> flyback: they are membrane wobl pumps
2015-09-30T10:33:37 < Sync> they can take a beating
2015-09-30T10:33:38 < PeterM> i use it for all kinda shit, including MMA welding indoors
2015-09-30T10:35:54 < ReadError> who let flyback in here
2015-09-30T10:36:02 < ReadError> tehehe jk
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2015-09-30T10:44:37 < emeryth> so pros, do you use trace over SWO, or the synchronous one?
2015-09-30T10:45:10 < jpa-> i've only used it over SWO
2015-09-30T10:45:28 < jpa-> way too rarely needed to reserve the pins for sync trace
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2015-09-30T11:14:32 < Ecco> I'd like to trigger a system reset by software
2015-09-30T11:14:55 < Ecco> (i.e. as close as possible to what I get when I remove power and put it back on)
2015-09-30T11:17:17 < jpa-> there is a register for that
2015-09-30T11:17:55 < PaulFertser> SYSRESETREQ bit
2015-09-30T11:17:57 < jpa-> o
2015-09-30T11:18:03 < jpa-> http://mcuoneclipse.com/2015/07/01/how-to-reset-an-arm-cortex-m-with-software/
2015-09-30T11:18:16 < dongs> SCB->AIRCR = AIRCR_VECTKEY_MASK | (uint32_t)0x04;
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2015-09-30T11:20:33 < Ecco> ok, thanks guys
2015-09-30T11:20:51 < Ecco> oh ok it's in the core
2015-09-30T11:21:01 < Ecco> that's why I didn't find it in the STM32's datasheet
2015-09-30T11:21:15 < jpa-> yeah, resets the peripherals also, atleast on STM32
2015-09-30T11:21:30 < Ecco> isn't there a way to do all this at once ?
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2015-09-30T11:25:29 < jpa-> Ecco: ? sysresetreq resets everything
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2015-09-30T11:41:50  * akaWolf insert dongle into PC
2015-09-30T11:43:15 < tkoskine> NVIC_SystemReset() is the portable way. It should do SCB->AIRCR = ...; internally.
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2015-09-30T13:00:53 < Ecco> jpa-: ok great :)
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2015-09-30T13:02:38 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/8taGsc34.html
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2015-09-30T13:21:17 < Sync> sounds reasonable
2015-09-30T13:21:47 < Bundestrojaner> can i work with intentional overflows or will they cause any problems because the HW knows it's an overflow?
2015-09-30T13:21:47 < Bundestrojaner> i want to use an array (256 Bytes) as ringbuffer. my indices (beginning and length) are both uint8_t.
2015-09-30T13:21:47 < Bundestrojaner> new data is inserted at array[beginning+length]. So if beginning is at 250 and length is 30, the next byte is written to array[25]
2015-09-30T13:22:35 < qyx_> this probably won't work
2015-09-30T13:25:42 < Bundestrojaner> what's the best way to make it work? beginning as uint16_t and insert data at array[(beginning+length)&0x00FF]?
2015-09-30T13:30:21 < dongs> qyx, why wouldnt it
2015-09-30T13:30:23 < dongs> itll work just fine
2015-09-30T13:33:21 < Bundestrojaner> thx, I asked because this buffer is driven by usart- and i2c-interrupts and debugging this would be crap...
2015-09-30T13:33:21 < Bundestrojaner> but i forgot i need a 16bit-index anyway because my i2c-flash doesn't support sequential write
2015-09-30T13:34:10 < karlp> get better debugging.
2015-09-30T13:34:14 < karlp> trace for the win.
2015-09-30T13:34:33 < karlp> also wat, how does not supporting sequential write relate to your indices?
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2015-09-30T13:36:18 < jpa-> Bundestrojaner: remember that C quite often automatically casts calculations to 'int' type, i.e. 32 bits
2015-09-30T13:36:40 < jpa-> so using (beginning+length)&0xFF is safer, and the compiler will optimize the & operation just fine
2015-09-30T13:36:55 < Bundestrojaner> jpa-: thx
2015-09-30T13:41:04 < Bundestrojaner> karlp: because it doesn't support sequential write, i have to tell it every time where it should write to.
2015-09-30T13:41:04 < Bundestrojaner> i have a 16bit-index now. this index is increased everytime by one when a byte is succesfully written to the i2c-flash and never decreased.
2015-09-30T13:41:04 < Bundestrojaner> so beginning is the adress for the i2c-flash to write to. beginning&0x00FF is the index to read from the ringbuffer. and (beginning + length)&0x00FF is the index to write to the ringbuffer
2015-09-30T13:41:05 < Roklobsta> wow is someone actually talking SMT32?
2015-09-30T13:41:58 < dongs> er
2015-09-30T13:42:01 < dongs> we always do?
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2015-09-30T14:07:06 < qyx_> dongs: integer promotion
2015-09-30T14:07:46 < qyx_> afaik array[beginning+length] will simply write past the end
2015-09-30T14:07:59 < dongs> oh, yeah that probl will
2015-09-30T14:08:25 < qyx_> ah jpa- was faster
2015-09-30T14:10:50 < mtbg> you can use intentional overflows - either casting the whole overflowing expression to uint8_t explicitly, or saving its value to uint8_t and then using this variable as index
2015-09-30T14:10:51 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/FlatPointedComet
2015-09-30T14:13:17 < jpa-> mtbg: yeah, though at that point why not just use & operator instead
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2015-09-30T14:17:08 < mtbg> & is better since it allows much more precise buffer lengths
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2015-09-30T14:22:37 < zyp> if you want precise buffer lengths, you might as well use %
2015-09-30T14:23:07 < zyp> it'll be optimized to & if possible anyway
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2015-09-30T14:27:05 < decimad> also consider using (beginning+length) % size because it expresses intent
2015-09-30T14:27:25 < rewolff> Bundestrojaner: If you do uint_8 pos = beginning + length;  .... array[pos] ... that should work. (the array[beginning+length] will possibly be upgraded to ints before doing the array indexing, as said before. )
2015-09-30T14:27:49 < rewolff> but I agree with ZYP: Write: #define BUFBITS 8
2015-09-30T14:27:58 < rewolff> #define BUFSIZE (1<<BUFBITS)
2015-09-30T14:28:09 < rewolff> #define BUFMASK (BUFSIZE - 1)
2015-09-30T14:28:23 < rewolff> and then mask with BUFMASK...
2015-09-30T14:28:30 < decimad> Is that defined to be workable for buffbits = 32?
2015-09-30T14:28:43 < rewolff> Sure!
2015-09-30T14:28:47 < Bundestrojaner> why not just &0x00FF?
2015-09-30T14:29:11 < decimad> so c actually defines max+1-1 to equal max?
2015-09-30T14:29:16 < rewolff> But not on STM32 as it would be difficult to define the buffer to be 4G and be able to address it....
2015-09-30T14:30:50 < decimad> I'd really think that int(1)<<32 is undefined
2015-09-30T14:30:52 < rewolff> decimad: Oh. the overflow at 32bit ints I didn't thing about that. Sorry. But anyway, 32 bits is not reasonable. It was meant for bufbits  between say 4 and 10.
2015-09-30T14:31:02 < decimad> yeah...
2015-09-30T14:32:18 < rewolff> Writing it with the bufbits being the only "changeable" define, makes things clear and will optimize with a byte move if you define it to 8...
2015-09-30T14:33:45 < karlp> I'd use % and let the compiler sort it out.
2015-09-30T14:33:50 < rewolff> Bundestrojaner: if your level of programming expertise is such that you prefer & 0xff  over & BUFMASK, then go ahead and do it that way. I find the latter preferable.
2015-09-30T14:38:59 < zyp> I'd probably prefer & myself if I wanted to be certain to not invoke a division/modulo operation on hardware without fast division
2015-09-30T14:39:24 < zyp> and then just a static assert on size to ensure it's a power of 2
2015-09-30T14:40:54 < zyp> i.e. static_assert(size & (size - 1) == 0, "Size must be a power of 2.");
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2015-09-30T14:42:44 < rewolff> (which my defines guarantee by starting with BUFBITS, as long as you don't mess with the other two defines...)
2015-09-30T14:42:45 < karlp> use %, user error to make it not a power of 2 :)
2015-09-30T14:42:59 < mtbg> it can still invoke if one's circular buffer is handled by some generic functions which take size from buffer structure or argument
2015-09-30T14:43:05 < karlp> as longa s you like telling people to think about how big a buffer they need in terms of the number of bits it has
2015-09-30T14:43:17 < zyp> that's silly
2015-09-30T14:43:20 < karlp> % will always work, jsut you'll get less performance if you choose a "bad" buffer size.
2015-09-30T14:43:32 < rewolff> Good point.
2015-09-30T14:44:03 < rewolff> I personally don't mind to think 8<->256. That's "level of expertise"......
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2015-09-30T14:45:16 < karlp> expertise at learning things you could let the computer handle instead ;)
2015-09-30T14:45:33 < zyp> why are we talking about masking vs modulo anyway? I looked at my ringbuffer implementation and it does neither, it just branches back to 0 at the end
2015-09-30T14:45:39 < zyp> ref. http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/util/rblog.h
2015-09-30T14:47:33 < karlp> oh noes! you introduced mad jitter br0!
2015-09-30T14:55:07 < rewolff> I nowadays also do: if(tail >= (BUFSIZE-1)) tail = 0 else tail++;
2015-09-30T14:55:52 < rewolff> but if you're not doing the increment byte-by-byte, you need the mask/modulo.
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2015-09-30T15:12:38 < Ecco> AIRCR_VECTKEY_MASK | (uint32_t)0x04
2015-09-30T15:12:43 < Ecco> -> That "vectkey" thing is weird
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2015-09-30T15:12:50 < Ecco> what purpose does it serve?
2015-09-30T15:13:01 < karlp> what do the docs say about it?
2015-09-30T15:13:19 < karlp> (hint, there's quite a few periphs that use keys)
2015-09-30T15:14:27 < Ecco> Well, it says that you have to write a certain value to certain bits otherwise the whole write to the register is ignored
2015-09-30T15:14:37 < Ecco> it doesn't tell *why* there is such a mechanism
2015-09-30T15:15:41 < karlp> well, it does in some other place.
2015-09-30T15:15:47 < karlp> which doc are you reading?
2015-09-30T15:16:35 < Ecco> this: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0552a/Cihehdge.html
2015-09-30T15:24:20 < karlp> eh, can't find it now, it's to prevent things like system reset happening from random interference flipping bits
2015-09-30T15:24:38 < karlp> watchdog timers have it too, RTC does on stm32 as well
2015-09-30T15:25:04 < karlp> also makes sure you're doing it explicitly, not just mangled a pointer and all of a sudden you've reset the system
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2015-09-30T15:30:41 < Ecco> yeah, but…
2015-09-30T15:30:46 < Ecco> I mean, if you're smashing memory around
2015-09-30T15:31:02 < Ecco> you're going to have a bad time anyway
2015-09-30T15:31:05 < Ecco> the way I see it
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2015-09-30T15:31:17 < Ecco> the core prevents you from shooting yourself in the foot ("key" on reset for example)
2015-09-30T15:31:23 < Ecco> but you can shoot yourself in the hand just fine
2015-09-30T15:31:39 < Tectu> lolwut?
2015-09-30T15:31:50 < Tectu> just go the last two lines, but wtf, what a comparasion :D
2015-09-30T15:32:32 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-30T15:32:53 < Ecco> We were talking about how you need to write a certain pattern to some Cortex M4 registers for the rest of the write to be accepted
2015-09-30T15:32:58 < zyp> rewolff, not really
2015-09-30T15:33:07 < Ecco> that seems like a good idea, but I was wondering *why* it was present only on certain parts
2015-09-30T15:33:35 < zyp> you can just do if(index >= size) { index -= size; } instead of index = 0
2015-09-30T15:33:41 < Ecco> The way I see it is that either it's a good idea so do it everywhere, either it's not so stop doing it :)
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2015-09-30T15:40:29 < Ecco> ok so my reset thing is not working
2015-09-30T15:40:45 < Ecco> I wrote to SYSRESETREQ
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2015-09-30T15:41:40 < Ecco> and the LCD turns white
2015-09-30T15:41:54 < Ecco> well sorry
2015-09-30T15:41:58 < Ecco> the LCD freezes
2015-09-30T15:42:14 < Ecco> It looks like the hardware is not fully reset
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2015-09-30T15:47:28 < karlp> Further, ST liked ARMv8-R’s roadmap. Asked what’s in the roadmap, Duncan said, “I can’t say. But we’ve found other cores in that roadmap which look interesting.”
2015-09-30T15:47:33 < karlp> thanks for that excellent reporting.
2015-09-30T15:51:36 < Ecco> :-D
2015-09-30T15:51:37 < Ecco> https://imgur.com/sSTHnBM
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2015-09-30T16:01:00 < zyp> wonder if we'll see v8-M
2015-09-30T16:01:56 < emeryth> can't wait for 64-bit arduino
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2015-09-30T16:04:11 < Ecco> well
2015-09-30T16:04:20 < Ecco> Not sure if that'd be a good thing
2015-09-30T16:04:25 < Ecco> I mean, with such little RAM
2015-09-30T16:04:56 < Ecco> I'm much more concerned by the increased RAM usage (pointers 2x as big) than by the gain in processing power
2015-09-30T16:05:51 < zyp> you could have 64-bit working registers but keep a 32-bit address space
2015-09-30T16:06:18 < zyp> 64-bit address space doesn't really make sense on a platform without MMU and kilobytes of memory
2015-09-30T16:09:19 < Ecco> indeed
2015-09-30T16:09:30 < Ecco> Wouldn't that trigger a bunch of weird bugs though?
2015-09-30T16:09:47 < zyp> why?
2015-09-30T16:09:49 < Ecco> I mean, in general, 64-bit machines use 64-bit pointers
2015-09-30T16:10:23 < zyp> avr has 8-bit registers and 16-bit pointers
2015-09-30T16:10:25 < Ecco> (so if some code detects a 64bit processor and assumes pointers will be 64-bits long -> bug)
2015-09-30T16:10:29 < Ecco> hmm, ok :)
2015-09-30T16:10:31 < zyp> there's no fixed relation between those
2015-09-30T16:10:45 < Ecco> indeed
2015-09-30T16:10:54 < zyp> that's a bad assumption to make
2015-09-30T16:10:59 < zyp> this is why intptr_t exists
2015-09-30T16:11:19 < Ecco> yeah but not sure everyone's using it
2015-09-30T16:11:46 < zyp> not my fault you're writing shitty code
2015-09-30T16:12:43 < Ecco> not your fault
2015-09-30T16:12:53 < Ecco> but you see what I mean :)
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2015-09-30T16:51:48 < dongs> Got my Zano this morning, all ok, it lights up. However I do not own any Android devices, just iPhone/iPad. My question is that I can't find out any info on when the iPhone app will be out. Do you know when this might happen. Cheers.
2015-09-30T16:51:53 < dongs> lolz.
2015-09-30T16:53:37 < emeryth> xD
2015-09-30T16:53:43 < rewolff> RE: "It looks like the hardware is not fully reset" Your LCD is not reset by writing to SYSRESETREQ. So apparently your code works when the LCD comes up from "powerup" but not when it has already been initialized.
2015-09-30T16:55:24 < dongs> sup shitty code writers
2015-09-30T16:55:47 < ReadError> nm put cat on keyboard, hes writing arduino code now
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2015-09-30T16:59:04 < chris_99> haha
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2015-09-30T17:18:59 < artag> didn't have you down as an iphone user, dongs
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2015-09-30T17:45:22 < jon1012> speaking of kickstarter, the next scam : https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/skarp/the-skarp-laser-razor-21st-century-shaving/description
2015-09-30T17:45:39 < aandrew> lol laser razor
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2015-09-30T17:46:35 < aandrew> basically "we created a handle, now fund us to figure out how to do the laser part"
2015-09-30T17:46:38 < zyp> by ikea?
2015-09-30T17:47:26 < aandrew> basically this shit is gonna smell awful
2015-09-30T17:47:35 < aandrew> y'all know what burning hair smells like
2015-09-30T17:48:34 < aandrew> show me a video of the thing cutting and maybe they have something
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2015-09-30T17:50:00 < aandrew> apparently they have a video?
2015-09-30T17:51:02 < dongs> The registration process will be open in the next 24 hours. We are testing, testing testing internally, on loads of devices, lots of Zano's and trying to make sure we have everything covered.
2015-09-30T17:51:06 < dongs> When you first go to fly. I'd suggest either a nice large room free of objects (3m * 3m) is a nice area if your not used to Zano or ideally outside on a grass oval. Gives you a great chance to put Zano through its paces without risk of hitting something.
2015-09-30T17:51:33 < dongs> aandrew: they have a video of it cutting some stubble
2015-09-30T17:51:35 < dongs> in updates
2015-09-30T17:51:37 < aandrew> wow that vdeo looks prety fail
2015-09-30T17:51:38 < dongs> it looks pretty awful
2015-09-30T17:51:58 < aandrew> look, if I saw it back and forth I can cut A hair
2015-09-30T17:52:38 < zyp> uh, is that a thin thread?
2015-09-30T17:52:41 < zyp> hotwire?
2015-09-30T17:52:45 < jon1012> haha yeah
2015-09-30T17:52:48 < aandrew> that what it looks like
2015-09-30T17:52:55 < aandrew> they call it a "fiber" that the laser runs within
2015-09-30T17:53:06 < jon1012> they cut it with that hot wire
2015-09-30T17:53:19 < dongs>  Japan uses 920MHz which is a software retune of the 915MHz unit. So the white for UK/EU is an 868MHz unit, the others are 915MHz and I think there is also a software retune of the 868MHz for where I can not recall at this moment.
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2015-09-30T17:53:23 < dongs> All these variations of Zano's have their data encoded into the serial number programmed into Zano. This is so the operating system can identify the hardware and correctly configure it for the relevant region.
2015-09-30T17:53:41 < dongs> so amaze
2015-09-30T17:53:45 < aandrew> they are smart to go after the other ISM bands, 2.4G is shit
2015-09-30T17:53:56 < aandrew> but it's a distribution nightmare
2015-09-30T17:53:57 < mtbg> that is a fiber
2015-09-30T17:54:08 < aandrew> 2.4G is the only ISM band that is the same in all regions
2015-09-30T17:54:31 < byves> higher freqs lower range..
2015-09-30T17:54:49 < dongs> aandrew: it doesnt matter, they won't be doing anything with that radio
2015-09-30T17:55:41 < Sync> I wonder how they will deal with the laser safety issue
2015-09-30T17:56:43 < mtbg> funny thing is what they have on that whiteboard in the video
2015-09-30T17:56:49 < elvisman113> laser burns instead of razor burns
2015-09-30T17:57:15 < mtbg> they must have used it to design a 3d printer handle
2015-09-30T17:57:24 < elvisman113> mtbg: all i saw were some partial derivatives
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2015-09-30T18:00:09 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/fhc3Brr.gif
2015-09-30T18:00:36 < dongs> loler
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2015-09-30T18:11:58 < artag> I'm totally failing to get my i2c stuff (which was fine on the f3 discovery board) working on an f301r6. Is there some dramatic difference that I'm missing ?
2015-09-30T18:12:00 < aandrew> http://furnitureidea.xyz/modern-chandelier-foyer/
2015-09-30T18:12:39 < aandrew> ^^ dongs house featured on "Cribs"
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2015-09-30T18:16:15 < aandrew> wtf did everyone just up and die?
2015-09-30T18:16:20 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/h3rvCwC.jpg
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2015-09-30T20:05:01 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/cVRJNFH.jpg
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2015-09-30T20:41:16 < ReadError> do they make any specific diodes for logic level stuff
2015-09-30T20:41:32 < ReadError> something that has a very low voltage drop and just stops a signal from traversing back?
2015-09-30T20:42:41 < ReadError> or hm CMOS is unidirectional, maybe some device there i could use
2015-09-30T20:43:41 < fenugrec> ReadError  schottky not good enough ?
2015-09-30T20:44:17 < ReadError> it might be, im just wondering if there is a 'best practice' or some kind of goto for stuff like this
2015-09-30T20:44:39 < fenugrec> what "signal" could "traverse back" ?
2015-09-30T20:45:04 < ReadError> basically, I have 2 stm32 pins going to one pin
2015-09-30T20:45:29 < ReadError> there is a case which the '1' pin may need to TX to the stm32 usart RX
2015-09-30T20:46:05 < ReadError> but another case in which another device will be transmitting (and the '1' pin would be in input capture for timer on another stm32 pin)
2015-09-30T20:46:37 < ReadError> so im trying to prevent the $otherdevice TX from feeding back to the pin
2015-09-30T20:48:39 < fenugrec> You probably want a "wire-or" configuration, i.e. have the pins pulled-up (idle level=1), and the TX pins are configured as "active low" ... if the "otherdevice" supports that
2015-09-30T20:49:23 < ReadError> hmm yea I didnt think about the pwm output hitting the serial pin
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2015-09-30T20:49:29 < ReadError> long dad
2015-09-30T20:49:30 < ReadError> day*
2015-09-30T20:49:49 < ReadError> guess I need a mux and a GPIO
2015-09-30T20:49:52 < fenugrec> what are you doing with PWM and serial data on the same bus p-))
2015-09-30T20:50:27 < ReadError> good quesiton, im not sure why this is being done
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2015-09-30T20:57:22 < Laurenceb__> http://new2.fjcdn.com/pictures/Multikulty+timing_d56980_5010497.png
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2015-09-30T21:30:11 < kakimir> afternoon
2015-09-30T21:33:05 < kakimir> has there been anything interesting last few days
2015-09-30T21:33:10 < kakimir> ?
2015-09-30T21:35:15 < zyp> no
2015-09-30T21:35:26 < kakimir> good
2015-09-30T21:36:18 < zyp> are you the finnish guy in the news with the KKK getup? is that why you've been busy?
2015-09-30T21:37:53 < Steffanx> that was jpa-
2015-09-30T21:37:55 < kakimir> I wish I had such sense of occasion
2015-09-30T21:39:19 < kakimir> does my english make sense
2015-09-30T21:39:47 < Steffanx> if it google translates it makes sense
2015-09-30T21:43:28 < kakimir> I think it was very tasteful and humorous welcome for fugitives
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2015-09-30T21:45:47 < Steffanx> finnish guys and humor? I thought you guys are know for being ice cold.
2015-09-30T21:47:30 < kakimir> and show of spirit which is good thing
2015-09-30T21:51:12 < kakimir> in middle of all being totally reserved
2015-09-30T21:51:50 < kakimir> one life sign
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2015-09-30T22:28:06 < Laurenceb__> http://www.joannarytel.com/home.php?page=art&work_id=3
2015-09-30T22:28:47 < Laurenceb__> http://www.joannarytel.com/home.php?page=art&work_id=4
2015-09-30T22:28:52 < Laurenceb__> lolling hard
2015-09-30T22:34:26 < Steffanx> Too bad it wasn't your mom Laurenceb__
2015-09-30T22:34:38 < Steffanx> *isnt
2015-09-30T22:35:52 < Laurenceb__> nice trolling
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2015-09-30T22:53:35 < kakimir> http://soilscout.com/ some innovation
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2015-09-30T22:56:42 < Steffanx> in in tha cloud stuff
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2015-09-30T23:01:53 < Steffanx> "We've been selected from over 400 European firms as a Finalist in the 2015 Bully Awards!" .. you finalist too Laurenceb__?
2015-09-30T23:02:24 < Laurenceb__> Bully Awards?!
2015-09-30T23:02:43 < Laurenceb__> haha wtf
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