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2015-12-01T00:55:46 < dongs> http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airline-industry/20151130-japan-airlines-resumes-flights-from-dfw-today.ece why is this news
2015-12-01T00:56:24 < dongs> oh stopped after 9.11
2015-12-01T00:56:25 < dongs> loll
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2015-12-01T01:27:11 < kakimir> how much waiste of time is to draw your own rs232 boards..
2015-12-01T01:27:27 < kakimir> my wonderings at 1:27AM
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2015-12-01T01:29:43 < kakimir> well what comforms me is that it's not too many hours of editing
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2015-12-01T02:44:29 < dongs> not much
2015-12-01T02:44:31 < dongs> assburgering
2015-12-01T02:46:48 < dongs> ivan reedman rejected my   dicked-in request
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2015-12-01T02:49:02 < dongs> definitely
2015-12-01T02:49:11 < dongs> i'm not a perpetual innovator like him
2015-12-01T02:49:35 < dongs> er no wat he called himself
2015-12-01T02:49:36 < dongs> Passionate creator and inventor of technology
2015-12-01T02:49:40 < dongs> that
2015-12-01T02:52:26 < kakimir> oh my old laptops keyboard didn't like washing with isopropanol
2015-12-01T02:52:56 < kakimir> it had so bad stuck key errors that it didn't boot at first
2015-12-01T02:53:19 < kakimir> I put heater fan towards it for a night and now it works kind of
2015-12-01T02:53:49 < kakimir> I throw keys out and brushed shit with toothbrush and isopropanol
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2015-12-01T03:03:58 < kakimir> jezus R2COM
2015-12-01T03:04:09 < kakimir> I don't do mess like that
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2015-12-01T03:05:25  * kakimir gives R2COM a prostate massage
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2015-12-01T03:25:22 < kakimir> soon I have some crappy images of my new rs232 board rev2
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2015-12-01T03:30:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/lToC00U.jpg
2015-12-01T03:30:24 < dongs> what the fuck
2015-12-01T03:30:48 < dongs> failmega32 driving an ethernet chip?
2015-12-01T03:31:25 < Roklobsta> 2009
2015-12-01T03:31:35 < dongs> ya and?
2015-12-01T03:31:43 < Roklobsta> and proper hackers love the AVR.
2015-12-01T03:31:44 < dongs> i guess the only hope is to run it in 8bit ISA mode
2015-12-01T03:31:50 < dongs> or somethign
2015-12-01T03:32:02 < Roklobsta> were there any nice Cortex chips in 2009?
2015-12-01T03:32:12 < dongs> uh yes
2015-12-01T03:32:59 < Roklobsta> bit banging (almost) ethernet would suck
2015-12-01T03:33:13 < kakimir> soon I have some crappy images of my new rs232 board rev2+
2015-12-01T03:33:21 < kakimir> puttyyyy
2015-12-01T03:33:30 < kakimir> have you done anything dirty with 8bit micros lately?
2015-12-01T03:34:06 < Roklobsta> my atmega256 is gather dut
2015-12-01T03:34:08 < Roklobsta> dust
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2015-12-01T03:37:07 < kakimir> i dont have atmega
2015-12-01T03:37:15 < kakimir> I have never had atmega
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2015-12-01T03:38:07 < Roklobsta> which is why you are here.
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2015-12-01T03:40:01 < kakimir> should that be a good thing..
2015-12-01T03:40:43 < kakimir> dongs: look at how those IDC connectors have melted!
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2015-12-01T03:57:34 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKT3A1dUtMelpieTA&usp=sharing production of night
2015-12-01T03:58:09 < kakimir> more sensible connection
2015-12-01T03:58:19 < Roklobsta> this is some rs232 board.
2015-12-01T03:58:21 < kakimir> also preset jumper footprints
2015-12-01T03:58:28 < Roklobsta> haven't you been working on it for a while?
2015-12-01T03:58:39 < kakimir> so you dont need to wonder what jumpers to solder
2015-12-01T03:59:03 < kakimir> also clearly says on side used if DCE or DTE
2015-12-01T03:59:13 < kakimir> Roklobsta: while ago
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2015-12-01T04:00:09 < kakimir> added also third fiducial to fiducials make any sense at all
2015-12-01T04:01:22 < kakimir> okay pins seems to fail still
2015-12-01T04:02:16 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-01T04:02:54 < kakimir> even I tried to invert them but there is no sense in it anymore it fails every time as I load footprints it's a mess
2015-12-01T04:03:02 < kakimir> blaah
2015-12-01T04:03:37 < kakimir> so removed 6pin row connector because it's dirty
2015-12-01T04:04:07 < kakimir> if row is needed then just change cable head accordingly
2015-12-01T04:08:17 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKT3A1dUtMelpieTA&usp=sharing how it all started
2015-12-01T04:08:42 < kakimir> I didn't know how to drive kicad
2015-12-01T04:08:53 < Roklobsta> don't get dongs started
2015-12-01T04:09:18 < kakimir> dongs triggered
2015-12-01T04:11:35 < kakimir> true
2015-12-01T04:11:41 < kakimir> kicad is the killer
2015-12-01T04:11:56 < kakimir> only for serious business
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2015-12-01T04:21:13 < kakimir> good alternatives for replacing some basic crappy microphones?
2015-12-01T04:21:36 < kakimir> it should be the same form factor and interchangeable
2015-12-01T04:21:46 < kakimir> that typical pill type
2015-12-01T04:25:45 < Roklobsta> how cheap are MEMs mics?
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2015-12-01T04:31:53 < kakimir> crazy
2015-12-01T04:32:05 < kakimir> I bet those are crappy
2015-12-01T04:32:14 < kakimir> but small size
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2015-12-01T04:35:59 < kakimir> oh those are actually trying to be good sound quality
2015-12-01T04:36:38 < Roklobsta> it's what's in your phone
2015-12-01T04:37:50 < kakimir> isn't there some small pill type condencer mic?
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2015-12-01T04:38:36 < Roklobsta> yes
2015-12-01T04:38:38 < Roklobsta> tuny
2015-12-01T04:38:40 < Roklobsta> tiny
2015-12-01T04:39:16 < kakimir> hah mems mics cost nothing
2015-12-01T04:39:16 < Roklobsta> electret?
2015-12-01T04:39:19 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-01T04:39:44 < Roklobsta> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret_microphone
2015-12-01T04:40:15 < kakimir> that
2015-12-01T04:41:10 < kakimir> is smaller or bigger number in sensitivity betters?
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2015-12-01T04:41:19 < kakimir> and when it's negative
2015-12-01T04:42:17 < kakimir> maybe it's bigger the negative the better
2015-12-01T04:47:29 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Knowles/SPM0408LE5H-TB/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsZoypmI867EddkvjfU3Q4HXqAxZVdckLE%3d
2015-12-01T04:51:08 < Roklobsta> er, 3TB Seagate for your enemies.
2015-12-01T04:51:27 < Roklobsta> RE
2015-12-01T04:51:48 < Roklobsta> the RE range is apparently data centre grade
2015-12-01T04:51:53 < Roklobsta> still sata, not sas
2015-12-01T04:54:13 < Roklobsta> i've ordered them in the past, very heavy
2015-12-01T04:54:20 < Roklobsta> compared to a green
2015-12-01T04:54:23 < Roklobsta> or blue
2015-12-01T04:55:16 < kakimir> I have used scorpio blue as long I remember
2015-12-01T04:55:44 < kakimir> don't have a clue if it's good or not but it's usually rather inexpensives and popular
2015-12-01T04:55:56 < Roklobsta> i woulnd't put anything in the TB range in anything other than some kind of RAID.
2015-12-01T04:56:09 < Roklobsta> TB++ is a lot of data to lose.
2015-12-01T04:56:35 < Roklobsta> i've got 3 WD greens in raid5.  I hope it never shits itself.
2015-12-01T04:57:28 < Roklobsta> R2COM: http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=580  Up to 6TB now.
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2015-12-01T04:58:28 < Roklobsta> what will you use the drive for?
2015-12-01T04:58:37 < dongs> sup pros
2015-12-01T04:58:47 < Roklobsta> oh, fine.
2015-12-01T04:58:58 < Roklobsta> i was very concerned about yout porn collection.
2015-12-01T04:59:19 < Roklobsta> dongs: kicad and pron.
2015-12-01T04:59:40 < dongs> < Roklobsta> i woulnd't put anything in the TB range in anything other than some kind of RAID.
2015-12-01T04:59:44 < dongs> yeah this
2015-12-01T05:00:12 < dongs> you sure generate a lot of blogs, Roklobsta
2015-12-01T05:00:13 < dongs> err
2015-12-01T05:00:14 < dongs> R2COM:
2015-12-01T05:01:08 < Roklobsta> i got no blog no more
2015-12-01T05:01:37 < Roklobsta> R2COM: i'm just saying, don't keep all your precious on just one platter.
2015-12-01T05:02:16 < Roklobsta> on me frickin' raid.
2015-12-01T05:02:28 < dongs> heh
2015-12-01T05:02:35 < dongs> theeres acutalyl schematics in that pdf
2015-12-01T05:02:37 < Roklobsta> and a zipball which i lazily copy to another drive now and then
2015-12-01T05:02:40 < dongs> with that atmegaeterhent board
2015-12-01T05:02:49 < dongs> they have D0..D7 connected and SA0..SA4
2015-12-01T05:02:57 < dongs> so 5 bit addressing, probly just for the control registers/wahtever
2015-12-01T05:03:03 < Roklobsta> linux box with mdadm raid5.  very easy to get going.
2015-12-01T05:03:14 < dongs> haha no.
2015-12-01T05:03:28 < dongs> use lunix mdadm if you dont want your data
2015-12-01T05:03:30 < dongs> then its totally okay
2015-12-01T05:03:37 < Roklobsta> it's fine
2015-12-01T05:03:59 < Roklobsta> i have tried the bloated megalith of freenas and it's a bloadted megalith.
2015-12-01T05:04:35 < Roklobsta> first one to say 'cloud' gets a punch in the throat.
2015-12-01T05:04:59 < Roklobsta> have one drive and backup to another drive.
2015-12-01T05:05:09 < Roklobsta> robocopy or rsycn or whatever.
2015-12-01T05:05:41 < Roklobsta> raid will save you from one drive shitting itself but it's not backup
2015-12-01T05:06:03 < dongs> Antar at UCSRC er satt opp riktig fra før av.
2015-12-01T05:06:28 < Roklobsta> if you have win pro you can turn on file system versioning
2015-12-01T05:06:59 < Roklobsta> ok, at least do backup, or raid with a backup
2015-12-01T05:07:08 < Roklobsta> don't omit the backup
2015-12-01T05:07:36 < dongs> i really need to back stuff up
2015-12-01T05:07:51 < dongs> right now im copying same shit over and over to raid6 to "backup"
2015-12-01T05:07:56 < dongs> but 95% of the stuff is unchanged
2015-12-01T05:08:05 < dongs> need to do proper incremental backups
2015-12-01T05:08:06 < Roklobsta> only back up what you really need like accounting and kids pics.  all other shit can be lived without.
2015-12-01T05:08:30 < Roklobsta> business realited things
2015-12-01T05:08:41 < Roklobsta> exactly.
2015-12-01T05:08:46 < Roklobsta> not lol
2015-12-01T05:08:51 < upgrdman> i know cocklobster wants to punch me in the throat, but honest, for documents, just keep in google drive.
2015-12-01T05:09:07 < Roklobsta> where's my knuckleduster?
2015-12-01T05:09:39 < upgrdman> like really. i keep my ide workspaces and notes in google drive.
2015-12-01T05:09:40 < upgrdman> BUT
2015-12-01T05:09:45 < upgrdman> i only sync when i feel like it
2015-12-01T05:09:50 < Roklobsta> flash drives and cloud is pretty safe.
2015-12-01T05:09:55 < upgrdman> e.g. end of the week or day or whatever
2015-12-01T05:10:37 < Roklobsta> just keep your important crap in more than one place, wherever it is.
2015-12-01T05:11:00 < Roklobsta> it's not backup
2015-12-01T05:11:07 < Roklobsta> sto pfoaming at the mouth
2015-12-01T05:11:13 < Roklobsta> ok
2015-12-01T05:11:16 < Roklobsta> then raid is fine.
2015-12-01T05:11:29 < Roklobsta> drives do shit themselves from time to time.
2015-12-01T05:11:39 < dongs> if you only got 2 then you can only do raid1, i guess its okay
2015-12-01T05:11:40 < Roklobsta> yes RAID1 (mirror) is fine.
2015-12-01T05:11:56 < dongs> what kinda sux with raid1 at least on intel is if you powerdown the box, it will likely lose state
2015-12-01T05:12:04 < dongs> and on next reboot it'll spend half a day resyncing 6tb
2015-12-01T05:12:18 < Roklobsta> yes resync TB's takes for fucking ever.
2015-12-01T05:12:19 < dongs> power down = hard power down like if your shit crashed or etc
2015-12-01T05:12:37 < dongs> yeah, normal power off is okay
2015-12-01T05:12:41 < Roklobsta> ok, R2COM get a RAID1 goign and have a UPS.
2015-12-01T05:12:41 < dongs> im talking about abrupt thing
2015-12-01T05:12:53 < dongs> like pc crashed/bluescreened/rebooted
2015-12-01T05:12:55 < dongs> or hard power down
2015-12-01T05:13:25 < Roklobsta> you can do mobo raid or windows can do raid for you too
2015-12-01T05:13:47 < Roklobsta> but windows won't let you raid your boot drive, whereas bios raid/hardware raid will.
2015-12-01T05:14:29 < dongs>  intel ssd
2015-12-01T05:14:29 < Roklobsta> ok, i think only pro version of windows does raid.  i could be wrong.
2015-12-01T05:14:32 < dongs> found a problem
2015-12-01T05:15:40 < Roklobsta> oh so you have all the language packs.  I hope it was worth the extra $200.
2015-12-01T05:16:29 < Roklobsta> i have had a few ridiculously specced PCs to repair where the client clearly was an egomaniac and obviously felt he needed Win7Ultimate for his game box.
2015-12-01T05:16:40 < dongs> win7 above pro is fuckign retarded
2015-12-01T05:16:44 < dongs> same with visual studio
2015-12-01T05:16:56 < dongs> win7 ultimate adds what, chink languages and buttlocker or something
2015-12-01T05:17:08 < Roklobsta> it also subtracts $$$
2015-12-01T05:17:21 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-01T05:17:37 < Roklobsta> i don't think win10 comes in ultimate.
2015-12-01T05:17:40 < dongs> i bought vs pro 2008 or so, the next step up was like +3k or someshit awful
2015-12-01T05:17:49 < dongs> for "team elite edition"
2015-12-01T05:18:05 < dongs> im actually considering buying current VS too
2015-12-01T05:18:07 < dongs> its only 499
2015-12-01T05:18:12 < Roklobsta> like i said, these self styled fuckwad alpha males buy Win7 Ultimate.
2015-12-01T05:18:17 < dongs> the community comes wiht garbage compilers lol
2015-12-01T05:18:24 < upgrdman> typical jap beverage   http://imgur.com/9xFuAuE
2015-12-01T05:18:27 < dongs> like worse-than-gcc garbage
2015-12-01T05:18:34 < dongs> they aren't optimizing lol
2015-12-01T05:18:37 < dongs> like -O0
2015-12-01T05:18:49 < dongs> you tihnk microsoft would give shit away for free just cuz they're  cool?
2015-12-01T05:18:57 < dongs> the -community edition stuff doesnt haev optimizing compilers.
2015-12-01T05:18:58 < Roklobsta> I used to go to a cool place in Tokyo called MediaBum.
2015-12-01T05:19:38 < dongs> visual studio professional yea
2015-12-01T05:19:52 < Roklobsta> yeah they disabled -O3.
2015-12-01T05:20:29 < dongs> https://www.visualstudio.com/products/how-to-buy-vs
2015-12-01T05:20:29 < Roklobsta> well doesn't .net do all the optimisation?
2015-12-01T05:20:36 < dongs> looks like they dumped various levels there too
2015-12-01T05:20:39 < dongs> just pro and enterprise now
2015-12-01T05:20:49 < dongs> but enterprise is 10x price of pro, lol
2015-12-01T05:20:50 < dongs> what the fuck
2015-12-01T05:20:56 < Roklobsta> i thought .net 4.6 had all sorts of new sse crap in it.
2015-12-01T05:21:04 < dongs> ah it comes with msdn
2015-12-01T05:21:11 < dongs> by default
2015-12-01T05:21:19 < dongs> right
2015-12-01T05:21:22 < dongs> thats the onoptimized part
2015-12-01T05:21:31 < dongs> i duno wat thier .nut compilers do
2015-12-01T05:22:11 < Roklobsta> hello 1995
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2015-12-01T05:23:43 < dongs> perpetual license to that version im pretty sure
2015-12-01T05:23:51 < dongs> + any updates/sevice pack
2015-12-01T05:23:56 < dongs> nope, dont think so
2015-12-01T05:24:40 < dongs> good idea
2015-12-01T05:25:39 < upgrdman> lol  http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pages/US3216423-0.png
2015-12-01T05:26:09 < dongs> looks legit
2015-12-01T05:28:40 < dongs> shrug
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2015-12-01T05:35:59 < Roklobsta> gcc is fine for optimisatio
2015-12-01T05:36:08 < Roklobsta> on intel anyway
2015-12-01T05:38:33 < dongs> lol fucking japs been trying to setup satellite uplink for the last 15 minutes
2015-12-01T05:38:42 < dongs> they keep poking but its not strong enough
2015-12-01T05:39:08 < dongs> hm maybe its raining there or theyt're just idiots
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2015-12-01T05:48:35 < dongs> looks like they gave up
2015-12-01T05:53:54 < dongs> nope
2015-12-01T05:53:56 < dongs> they're trying again lol
2015-12-01T05:54:02 < dongs> even worse signal now
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2015-12-01T07:04:27 < upgrdman> dongs, how can you tell?
2015-12-01T07:04:42 < upgrdman> i mean, how you can tell theyre trying to setup a sat link?
2015-12-01T07:06:56 < dongs> upgrdman: cuz im looking at spektrum
2015-12-01T07:07:00 < dongs> and i see a peak trying to poke through
2015-12-01T07:07:04 < dongs> like a dick slowly rising
2015-12-01T07:07:15 < dongs> and then it gets stuck halfway
2015-12-01T07:07:24 < dongs> and SNR is too low
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2015-12-01T07:28:53 < upgrdman> lol
2015-12-01T07:39:07 < upgrdman> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/30/us-usa-chicago-threat-idUSKBN0TJ23K20151130#W5wTRIKDMumvAOXk.97
2015-12-01T07:39:28 < upgrdman> wtf  "I then will die killing any number of white policeman that I can in the process. This is not a joke. I am to do my part to rid the world of the white devils. I expect you do the same."
2015-12-01T07:39:28 < upgrdman> Read more at Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/30/us-usa-chicago-threat-idUSKBN0TJ23K20151130#qPHbsezU0bcdXsUS.99
2015-12-01T07:40:01 < upgrdman> god damn it. the website added that Read More trash when i ctrl-c'd. those cunts.
2015-12-01T07:40:42 < dongs> fucking clipboard hijacking trash
2015-12-01T07:41:16 < dongs> is an undergraduate studying electrical engineering and has been enrolled since fall 2015
2015-12-01T07:41:28 < dongs> found upgrdman
2015-12-01T07:41:38 < dongs> or maybe R2COM
2015-12-01T07:41:58 < dongs> upgrdman: its spam added by po.st
2015-12-01T07:42:03 < upgrdman> fuck that. chicago sucks balls.
2015-12-01T07:42:03 < dongs> lets see which shit i need to add to hsots to block it
2015-12-01T07:42:06 < upgrdman> ya i know
2015-12-01T07:44:05 < PeterM> i thought this was r2com https://www.linkedin.com/in/ataradov
2015-12-01T07:44:27 < PeterM> (not really)
2015-12-01T07:45:05 < upgrdman> no this is r2com  https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Gary_Niger.jpg
2015-12-01T07:46:15 < PeterM> no this is r2com http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/93477/2500726-1032664_he_man_b_large.jpg
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2015-12-01T08:02:18 < dongs> R2TROLL is in boston
2015-12-01T08:02:41 < dongs> not in spichose
2015-12-01T08:34:50 < ReadError> http://gfycat.com/FriendlyClosedCod
2015-12-01T08:34:58 < ReadError> ava wank m8 this is neat
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2015-12-01T08:42:01 < englishman> is that your picknplace
2015-12-01T08:42:45 < ReadError> sure
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2015-12-01T09:30:33 < ReadError> got thinkserver on blackfriday
2015-12-01T09:30:46 < ReadError> who the fuck doesnt put trays for SSDs in chassis now
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2015-12-01T09:37:31 < Roklobsta> len-fucnking-novo
2015-12-01T09:37:56 < Roklobsta> intel kindly include a nice adapter tray with their ssds
2015-12-01T09:44:09 < ReadError> i actually like lenovo stuff
2015-12-01T09:44:14 < ReadError> its all pretty decent
2015-12-01T09:44:35 < ReadError> got a 250gb samsung 850 evo on sale, no tray/adapter though
2015-12-01T09:45:16 < Roklobsta> they don't supply them
2015-12-01T09:45:19 < Roklobsta> it seems
2015-12-01T09:45:52 < Roklobsta> i've been using ssd's in servers in raid1 for c: now.  seem fine, much quicker to do everything of course.
2015-12-01T09:46:02 < Roklobsta> windows server is slow at the best of times to start and stop
2015-12-01T09:46:39 < ReadError> just figured any chassis made in the past few years would have a spot for them
2015-12-01T09:48:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/rRM7lbU.webm
2015-12-01T09:50:12 < Roklobsta> dongs: that's not a pic32 in there.
2015-12-01T09:51:18 < Roklobsta> i've seen slow mo footage of a pidgeon flying through a forest.  the head is steady and the body and wings contort and twist to avoid the branches all while flapping.
2015-12-01T09:53:14 < dongs> yeah i think i seen something ~similar
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2015-12-01T10:36:49 < dongs> way too sstoned fuck
2015-12-01T10:46:01 < ReadError> ballmer peak
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2015-12-01T12:50:29 < PaulFertser> Disassembled v977/v966 heli tx, lqfp32 controller inside, silk says SWIM, pin layout matches stm8, the chip itself has something written in chinese.
2015-12-01T12:53:16 < dongs> in laser on the label?
2015-12-01T12:54:33 < dongs> pics and stuff
2015-12-01T12:54:38 < dongs> and yeah, stm8 is common in those.
2015-12-01T12:54:48 < dongs> there was some other chinese/something thing that used stm8 in a transmitter
2015-12-01T12:54:58 < dongs> cant recall the name
2015-12-01T12:57:57 < PaulFertser> Will get pics in the evining, when my wife returns with her "assdroid tablet", I do not have any camera myself.
2015-12-01T12:58:23 < dongs> <PaulFertser> I have a top of the line phone, but I rooted it and installed Ubuntu on it, and the camera app doesn't quite work yet
2015-12-01T13:00:49 < PaulFertser> What I can't understand is that two of the four potentiometers are attached to AIN1 and AIN2 (expected) but the other two ADC_ETR and PD7 :-O . Also, it pulls the rudder potentiometer up strong. All the other potentiometers are not affected by the controller anyhow, I can measure voltages on those just fine. But the rudder potentiometer (0.5k, same as the others) is pulled high strongly so my ADC
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2015-12-01T13:00:54 < PaulFertser> readings are very inaccurate. Yet the tx itself displays sane values... wtf
2015-12-01T13:01:10 < dongs> PaulFertser: you can remap some of those wiht option bytes
2015-12-01T13:01:34 < PaulFertser> dongs: no, my phone is a very old gta02 openmoko, with components that were obsolete even before the first sample was produced. There wasn't any camera in it ever.
2015-12-01T13:01:46 < dongs> openmoko, lol
2015-12-01T13:01:50 < dongs> tho i shoulda expected that.
2015-12-01T13:01:59 < dongs> being a filthy opensores supporter tha you are;
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2015-12-01T13:02:59 < PaulFertser> Remapping ADC inputs? Doesn't seem like it...
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2015-12-01T13:04:11 < dongs> well i d onno
2015-12-01T13:05:43 < PaulFertser> Probably some other stm8 version.
2015-12-01T13:06:00 < dongs> there's only 8S or 8A, and i am pretty sure they're both pin compatible
2015-12-01T13:06:31 < PaulFertser> But that pulling up of an ADC input drives me mad. Why the hell?! When srst is externally pulled low the pullup goes away too, so it's likely the controller itself doing that shit.
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2015-12-01T13:07:22 < dongs> did you read out the firmware or som ething?
2015-12-01T13:07:27 < dongs> or did y ou trash it
2015-12-01T13:08:04 < PaulFertser> No, I did nothing to it. Just trying to attach my own board to make a HID joystick, without trashing the tx.
2015-12-01T13:08:27 < PaulFertser> I should probably just get a devo :/
2015-12-01T13:08:33 < dongs> ah
2015-12-01T13:11:29 < dongs> trying to find out smartcard rounded corners radius..
2015-12-01T13:11:30 < dongs> wow hard
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2015-12-01T13:14:02 < bloated> dongs: google credit card standard
2015-12-01T13:14:06 < bloated> there is an ISO standard
2015-12-01T13:14:13 < dongs> i know
2015-12-01T13:14:18 < dongs> i have them
2015-12-01T13:14:22 < dongs> just too lazy to open the pdfs
2015-12-01T13:14:25 < dongs> im just going on google images
2015-12-01T13:14:32 < dongs> and its impossible to find proper dimensions
2015-12-01T13:14:54 < zyp> 8.5mm, according to first hit on google images
2015-12-01T13:15:07 < dongs> R=8.5?
2015-12-01T13:15:09 < dongs> that sounds huge
2015-12-01T13:15:13 < zyp> hmm, no
2015-12-01T13:15:16 < zyp> wrong number, my bad
2015-12-01T13:15:21 < dongs> i saw ~3 or so
2015-12-01T13:15:24 < dongs> i opened hte pdf
2015-12-01T13:15:24 < bloated> dongs spends so much time trolling, google images probably serves up pictures of dicks when he googles "smartcards"
2015-12-01T13:15:31 < bloated> :p
2015-12-01T13:15:37 < zyp> 3.18mm
2015-12-01T13:16:14 < dongs> zyp: thats what i found yeah
2015-12-01T13:16:53 < dongs> apparently the R= is NOT standardtized
2015-12-01T13:17:01 < dongs> at least its not in ISO 7816-2
2015-12-01T13:17:14 < dongs> the offsets of contacts relateive to topleft are
2015-12-01T13:17:15 < dongs> but nothign else
2015-12-01T13:17:44 < dongs> oh
2015-12-01T13:17:52 < dongs> physical characteristirs is ISO7810
2015-12-01T13:18:19 < dongs> ya thats the one with dimensions
2015-12-01T13:18:19 < dongs> nice
2015-12-01T13:18:31 < zyp> corner radius is not super important though
2015-12-01T13:18:35 < dongs> ye
2015-12-01T13:18:48 < dongs> its not like slots actually have a radius there
2015-12-01T13:18:58 < zyp> all readers would probably do square cards even
2015-12-01T13:19:14 < zyp> but hitting the slot would be slightly harder
2015-12-01T13:19:43 < zyp> and they would probably delaminate faster
2015-12-01T13:20:17 < bloated> I think I'm being paranoid but it really looks like somebody is getting paid to upvote pro-US and downvote pro-Russa stuff on reddit. There's something weird about the vote counts. Totally ridiculous comments heavily upvoted, and excellent rebuttals downvoted. very strange.
2015-12-01T13:20:30 < dongs> yawnh
2015-12-01T13:20:38 < dongs> leae retarded political drama out of here
2015-12-01T13:20:43 < dongs> nobody gies a fuck i guarantee you
2015-12-01T13:20:48 < bloated> ok
2015-12-01T13:21:43 < zyp> bloated, or there's just simply more nationalistic americans on reddit than nationalistic russians
2015-12-01T13:22:14 < dongs> lots of moms basement dwellers
2015-12-01T13:22:20 < bloated> typically Americans aren't particularly nationalistic. They'll upvote a well reasoned comment even if it is anti-US.
2015-12-01T13:22:21 < dongs> caring about something lke "upvotes"
2015-12-01T13:22:32 < zyp> haha
2015-12-01T13:22:48 < bloated> I don't care about upvotes, I care about whether Reddit is a real platform to know what people are thinking or a propaganda tool.
2015-12-01T13:23:56 < dongs> how the fuck can a shitty blog be a platform for something
2015-12-01T13:24:04 < dongs> anyway srsly wanna talk political shit take it to #faggots or something
2015-12-01T13:24:09 < dongs> it is beyond boring
2015-12-01T13:24:33 < bloated> ok. I'm done. I was actually intending to say that in ##electronics, not here.
2015-12-01T13:24:46 < dongs> thats a perfect place for it
2015-12-01T13:25:02 < dongs> especially the number of times they actually discuss anything on-topic there is like once a year
2015-12-01T13:25:11 < zyp> just like here
2015-12-01T13:25:20 < dongs> plenty of pro chats here
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2015-12-01T13:29:19 < dongs> http://static1.squarespace.com/static/539604e8e4b0d1f9ffe9ff0b/t/5655bd00e4b0b80773817ed2/1448459524762/
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2015-12-01T14:28:22 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJdu4HV-Ng
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2015-12-01T14:41:13 < ReadError> been doing some fat shaming this past week on the subway Laurenceb_?
2015-12-01T14:42:11 < Laurenceb_> going to try, it sounds epic
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2015-12-01T15:36:16 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2015/11/30/kicad-4-0-is-released/
2015-12-01T15:36:19 < Laurenceb_> lol the comments
2015-12-01T15:36:31 < Laurenceb_> so they didnt fix the stuff that needed fixing
2015-12-01T15:37:25 < BrainDamage> the default behaviour is weird
2015-12-01T15:37:25 < BrainDamage> like default non rubber band movement, whyyyy
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2015-12-01T15:51:53 < ReadError> timgray1 says:
2015-12-01T15:51:53 < ReadError> November 30, 2015 at 6:15 pm
2015-12-01T15:51:53 < ReadError> Yep it seems that they have zero clue how to design a UI… I’m sticking with Eagle.
2015-12-01T15:51:58 < ReadError> hahah
2015-12-01T15:52:39 < scummos> yeah kicad gui is weird sometimes
2015-12-01T15:53:09 < ReadError> eagle by far has the ugliest and most useless gui
2015-12-01T15:56:38 < dongs> > sticking with eagle
2015-12-01T15:56:41 < dongs> > kicad gui
2015-12-01T15:56:41 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-01T15:56:42 < dongs> okayt
2015-12-01T15:57:07 < scummos> dongs certainly creates his PCBs with a marker
2015-12-01T15:57:29 < dongs> yes
2015-12-01T15:57:33 < dongs> mspaint.exe actually
2015-12-01T15:57:35 < dongs> but thanks
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2015-12-01T16:50:41 < Laurenceb_> more liek yaramiso.exe
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2015-12-01T16:59:14 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtZtGbcCEAEdmpB.jpg:large
2015-12-01T16:59:40 < Laurenceb_> My first sexual experience was quite frightening... because I was alone in the dark.
2015-12-01T17:03:30 < artag> ReadError: I've hear nothing but criticism of the eagle UI from old-school pcb people. And just spent all night trying to get someone's project fixed after Altium destroyed it.  I think the truth is, theer is no good gui for pcbs, only the one you're used to.
2015-12-01T17:04:12 < artag> kicad isn't worse than eagle, just different.
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2015-12-01T17:04:57 < dongs> sorry, altium doesnt destroy pcbs
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2015-12-01T17:05:16 < artag> Unfortunately the willingness of people to pay for proprietary shit means we have no global standard for layouts and schematics, so this situation isn't going to improve any time soon
2015-12-01T17:05:51 < ReadError> all i know how to do in eagle is run the ULP script to make it in to diptrace
2015-12-01T17:06:08 < zyp> dongs, well, to be fair, altium doesn't handle crashes very well
2015-12-01T17:06:12 < artag> dongs, it placed a component with numbering that matched neither the schematic or the footprint. As far as getting the thing done on time goes, that was destructive.
2015-12-01T17:06:38 < dongs> zyp, really now? first of all it hardly ever crashes for me, second, when it DOES crash, its very easy to quiet down the crash dialogs by not movingthe mouse, and then save and quit by keyboard
2015-12-01T17:06:47 < dongs> i've *never* lost work in it due to the crash dialog
2015-12-01T17:06:49 < zyp> dongs, I lost a bunch of work to an altium crash once
2015-12-01T17:07:14 < dongs> plus really, rcent versions dont crash at all
2015-12-01T17:07:23 < dongs> i dont remember last 3-4 releases crashing ever
2015-12-01T17:07:27 < artag> why does it need to crash ? Does your embedded software crash ?
2015-12-01T17:07:34 < zyp> might be, this was a while ago
2015-12-01T17:07:47 < trepidacious> I had a go with kicad recently, it more or less worked. Weirdest software ever though.
2015-12-01T17:07:50 < zyp> this was when I started talking about nfc shit, so I guess two years ago
2015-12-01T17:08:05 < artag> trepidacious: that's my point. They're ALL weird.
2015-12-01T17:08:13 < zyp> started doing the board, altium crashed, I got annoyed, and then I haven't cared to resume that project since
2015-12-01T17:08:28 < dongs> lool
2015-12-01T17:08:32 < trepidacious> artag: Specialised software is normally a bit odd I guess.
2015-12-01T17:09:12 < artag> sure, but do we have to have, like 20 different sorts of odd ? Or are we looking at intentional lock-in ?
2015-12-01T17:09:33 < trepidacious> artag: If you use software all day for your job, it doesn't matter that it takes 2 weeks to work out how to run it, you then use it every day for 5 years.
2015-12-01T17:09:38 < ReadError> I think the DRC goes apeshit sometimes
2015-12-01T17:09:40 < artag> purely for the benfit of the supplier and not the customer
2015-12-01T17:09:47 < ReadError> thats how i made it crash anyways
2015-12-01T17:09:53 < artag> and a world of customers that put up with that
2015-12-01T17:10:29 < artag> trepidacious: but we don't have specialist pcb designers any more. It's part of the EE's job now
2015-12-01T17:11:05 < trepidacious> artag:  Maybe not every day then, but at least regularly enough that the ratio of WTF-time to productive-use-time is not too high
2015-12-01T17:11:10 < trepidacious> artag: I still think it sucks though
2015-12-01T17:12:04 < artag> yeah. but then you get people compaining that package x is weird. When package y that they learnt is just as weird.
2015-12-01T17:12:04 < Taxman> zyp: This is some sort of fatal crash ;)
2015-12-01T17:12:14 < ReadError> dongs nothing from zeptobars?
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2015-12-01T17:19:26 < dongs> ReadError: i poked him with email a couple days ago
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2015-12-01T17:34:50 < ReadError> maybe DanteA knows him
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2015-12-01T17:42:45 < Laurenceb_> http://patri-archie-comics.tumblr.com/image/129205013977
2015-12-01T17:42:55 < dongs> tldr
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2015-12-01T18:47:32 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/HzNhRRy.png lets see you draw this in kikecad 4.0
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2015-12-01T18:48:57 < ReadError> goatse footprint?
2015-12-01T18:49:11 < dongs> yes
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2015-12-01T18:56:00 < scummos> how did you draw it, paint?
2015-12-01T18:58:55 < dongs> yes
2015-12-01T19:00:26 < upgrdman_> looks like a SIM card
2015-12-01T19:01:21 < upgrdman_> i wanna see someone replace that with gEDA ;)
2015-12-01T19:01:26 < upgrdman_> err replicate
2015-12-01T19:01:32 < dongs> lewl
2015-12-01T19:01:39 < dongs> they'll spend a month in emacs
2015-12-01T19:01:44 < dongs> since geda has no gui footprint editor
2015-12-01T19:02:08 < zyp> dongs, getting into pirate satellite decoder cards? :p
2015-12-01T19:02:21 < dongs> zyp, i've been in that business for years, but no, not this time
2015-12-01T19:02:34 < dongs> i need to make a shim card for some stuff
2015-12-01T19:02:47 < dongs> fucking japtvs dont work when card door is open
2015-12-01T19:02:55 < zyp> haha
2015-12-01T19:07:23 < dongs> time to get stoned
2015-12-01T19:07:23 < dongs> bbl
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2015-12-01T20:30:43 < aandrew> hahaha goatse footprint
2015-12-01T20:30:49 < aandrew> goatseeeim
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2015-12-01T22:01:32 < Getty> hoehoe.... "In ancient Rome, two men taking an oath of allegiance held each other's testicles, and men held their own testicles as a sign of truthfulness while bearing witness in a public forum or court of law."
2015-12-01T22:06:06 < gxti> huehuehuehue
2015-12-01T22:06:09 < aandrew> it's hard to lie when someone's got you by the balls
2015-12-01T22:06:32 < Getty> well now we know where this sentence come from ;)
2015-12-01T22:06:39 < Getty> "having someone by the balls"
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2015-12-01T22:10:34 < aandrew> actually subpoena means "beneath the penis" or "by the balls"
2015-12-01T22:12:06 < aandrew> I don't know that it's true but it sure looks like it could be :-)
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2015-12-01T22:45:02 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/Tc4AG
2015-12-01T22:48:19 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/KLVw2W7.gifv
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2015-12-01T23:22:09 < johntramp> hi,   with stm32 readout protection set to level 1, would it still be possible to load and boot application into ram through the jtag interface?
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2015-12-01T23:36:17 < kakimir> sup bubba!
2015-12-01T23:37:47 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro_World
2015-12-01T23:38:02 < Laurenceb> expected theme park
2015-12-01T23:41:01 < kakimir> martian was good
2015-12-01T23:41:10 < kakimir> proper scifi
2015-12-01T23:41:32 < ReadError> good rip of it out?
2015-12-01T23:41:42 < ReadError> i finished man in the tall fortress
2015-12-01T23:41:48 < ReadError> the end, im so confused
2015-12-01T23:42:06 < Getty> kakimir: more proper as interstellar i hope? ;)
2015-12-01T23:42:13 < mitrax> martian was fucking boring
2015-12-01T23:42:19 < Getty> hahaha
2015-12-01T23:42:23 < Laurenceb> trolol
2015-12-01T23:42:25 < Getty> the feelings again splitted!
2015-12-01T23:42:29 < scummos> Getty: yes
2015-12-01T23:42:46 < Getty> imagine a movie everybody likes......................
2015-12-01T23:42:57 < scummos> happy tree friends
2015-12-01T23:43:03 < Getty> hahahahahhahahaha
2015-12-01T23:43:19 < Laurenceb> hah best cartoon series ever
2015-12-01T23:43:45 < Getty> aehm... ren & stimpy? hello?!?!?
2015-12-01T23:43:54 < Getty> dont deny our gods
2015-12-01T23:47:20 < Getty> "WITH THESE HANDS!!!!"
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2015-12-01T23:48:59 < kakimir> Getty: couldn't watch interstellar
2015-12-01T23:49:24 < Getty> kakimir: i can understand
2015-12-01T23:49:28 < mitrax> interstellar sucked horse shit too
2015-12-01T23:49:32 < Getty> kakimir: i actually BOUGHT the movie, can you imagine how i feel?
2015-12-01T23:49:33 < mitrax> that we can agree on
2015-12-01T23:49:37 < karlp> I liked them both...
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2015-12-01T23:49:45 < kakimir> victim of hype
2015-12-01T23:49:51 < Getty> my dad btw, who actually read hawkins for fun, liked interstellar
2015-12-01T23:50:15 < Getty> it seems to really kick those physics people see those totally unrealistic visualizations of their fantasies
2015-12-01T23:50:16 < Getty> i dont know
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2015-12-01T23:52:49 < Laurenceb> lol I haven't seen interstellar
2015-12-01T23:53:10 < mitrax> i burst into laughers at the theater when they get back to the ship (after the "incident" on the planet with the giant sea waves) and there's the guy in a wardrobe who says "i've been waiting for 23 years"
2015-12-01T23:53:13 < mitrax> it was so fucking ridiculous
2015-12-01T23:53:31 < Laurenceb> lol sounds retarded
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2015-12-01T23:54:13 < Getty> Laurenceb: its like, the first 10 minutes already let you puke up
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2015-12-01T23:54:41 < Getty> Laurenceb: like the world suddenly turns against space travel, especially where all the crops are dieing out, like totally!
2015-12-01T23:55:00 < kakimir> I bet matt damon takes one or few oscars for his roling in the martian
2015-12-01T23:55:04 < Getty> yeah sure, we TOTALLY forget _ALL_ the influence of the vision of space travel, it all will TOTALLY disappear
2015-12-01T23:55:22 < Getty> kakimir: i must say: the role and the acting of matt damon in interstellar was BRILLIANT
2015-12-01T23:55:26 < Getty> like outstanding
2015-12-01T23:55:43 < Getty> like a little star in the big disaster of that movie
2015-12-01T23:55:44 < mitrax> that's probably where they got the idea for martian
2015-12-01T23:55:50 < Getty> could be ;) no idea
2015-12-01T23:55:54 < Laurenceb> yeah but was it as good as Borne series
2015-12-01T23:55:58 < Laurenceb>  /sarc
2015-12-01T23:56:06 < kakimir> I saw that part or some of it where cranky matt damon backstabed the crew
2015-12-01T23:56:16 < Getty> the role in interstellar was very very special
2015-12-01T23:56:18 < Laurenceb> Borne series was worst series ever
2015-12-01T23:56:20 < mitrax> except he's fucking fat for a guy living on its own on a planet
2015-12-01T23:56:29 < kakimir> only first bourne was good
2015-12-01T23:56:33 < Laurenceb> yeah
2015-12-01T23:57:32 < Laurenceb> this looks sane and reasonable https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/emdriveresearch
2015-12-01T23:57:39 < Laurenceb>  /sarc
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2015-12-01T23:59:51 < Getty> you know what is funny...... the storyline of interstellar would be like far more realistic if they would have just removed that wormhole
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2015-12-02T00:00:17 < Getty> just if they would have invented some kind of hypertravel but are limited to the target zones cause of some obstruse shit
2015-12-02T00:00:32 < Getty> but the wormhole .... that made it all so fricking weird
2015-12-02T00:00:47 < Getty> best was the idea of moving earth to a planet that is not even circling a sun.....
2015-12-02T00:00:52 < Getty> that was their plan?! ;)
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2015-12-02T00:01:54 < mitrax> they probably wanted to cram as many astrophysics fancy theories as possible
2015-12-02T00:02:06 < Getty> yeah, TOTALLY looks like that
2015-12-02T00:02:15 < mitrax> and then boast that it was "all scientifically accurate" ... yeah right
2015-12-02T00:02:32 < Getty> yeah that is somehow the joke
2015-12-02T00:02:40 < Getty> they are very very accurate in a lot of things where many scifi is not accurate
2015-12-02T00:02:48 < Getty> but ....................... the BIG BIG points were so inaccurate
2015-12-02T00:02:51 < mitrax> exactly
2015-12-02T00:02:55 < Getty> guardians of the galaxy made more sense
2015-12-02T00:02:57 < mitrax> reading the review was depressing
2015-12-02T00:03:04 < mitrax> i mean people's reviews
2015-12-02T00:03:35 < Getty> also i found it so funny... i mean it was logical given that they made a movie and had to explain it to the audience
2015-12-02T00:03:42 < Getty> but an astronaut should be aware of time shifting problems ;)
2015-12-02T00:03:44 < Getty> JUST SAYING
2015-12-02T00:04:00 < Getty> if i would be on a spaceship trying to save human mankind and i have to explain time to those on board........
2015-12-02T00:04:02 < Getty> then good night ;)
2015-12-02T00:04:19 < mitrax> some were like "i sat in the theater for 20 min after the credit rolled, i just couldn't get off my seat, i was so shaken"
2015-12-02T00:04:39 < Getty> shaken by what? how horrible bad the movie was? ;)
2015-12-02T00:04:41 < mitrax> maybe that was irony, but there were a bunch of them like that
2015-12-02T00:05:02 < mitrax> shaken by how "profound" the movie was...
2015-12-02T00:05:16 < Getty> ... while making no sense! ;)
2015-12-02T00:05:19 < Getty> wait wait!
2015-12-02T00:05:26 < Getty> i got a brilliant one for this, right, wait
2015-12-02T00:05:57 < BrainDamage> they slightly forgot if time dilation applies, it does to everything, the light in the water planet would be blueshifted too, and the radio would come out more like xray ....
2015-12-02T00:06:02 < kakimir> bought carrots for a snack
2015-12-02T00:06:06 < kakimir> crazy
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2015-12-02T00:06:24 < Getty> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnArCFSrkg8
2015-12-02T00:06:40 < BrainDamage> so they couldn't receive anything, nor see for what matters
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2015-12-02T00:09:05 < mitrax> AHAHAAH
2015-12-02T00:09:41 < mitrax> "Damn is Matthew Mcconaughey still playing Rust Cohle in this movie? Does every line reading have to sound like his larynx is being dragged on the floor of a gravel library"
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2015-12-02T00:17:13 < kakimir> I'm doing dirty things
2015-12-02T00:18:03 < mitrax> wanking is okay but you really don't need to tell us you know
2015-12-02T00:18:39 < kakimir> no this is worse
2015-12-02T00:18:46 < kakimir> pic soon
2015-12-02T00:18:58  * mitrax shivers
2015-12-02T00:23:30 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKV3MwU1N3TkY1S2M/view?usp=sharing 3d cap bank, hand drilled holes in improvised frame, seperate modules - 4 of them maybe
2015-12-02T00:23:38 < kakimir> I don't feel well
2015-12-02T00:23:51 < kakimir> and that epoxy
2015-12-02T00:24:24 < kakimir> that thing in the front is one solid TVS
2015-12-02T00:24:46 < kakimir> around 1000A peak iirc
2015-12-02T00:25:22 < kakimir> working on the floor
2015-12-02T00:25:56 < PeterM> why didnt you just scratch off some soldermask and mount them all on the pcb, looks like enough room.
2015-12-02T00:26:12 < kakimir> idk
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2015-12-02T00:26:35 < mitrax> not as arousing
2015-12-02T00:26:41 < mitrax> kakimir likes kinky electronic
2015-12-02T00:26:42 < kakimir> be stupid - enjoy pain
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2015-12-02T00:27:15 < kakimir> this ensures me I should never be a maker again
2015-12-02T00:27:33 < mitrax> fuck that word
2015-12-02T00:27:34 < kakimir> just do electronics like sensible person
2015-12-02T00:28:14 < kakimir> draw a single board - if not - not worth building it
2015-12-02T00:34:51 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUiTpI_JRSI free skiing
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2015-12-02T00:39:14 < kakimir> is electrolytic capacitors aluminum frame usually connected to negative pad?
2015-12-02T00:39:56 < Fleck> nope
2015-12-02T00:40:08 < Fleck> but some do have
2015-12-02T00:40:43 < Fleck> old russian for example do: https://img0.etsystatic.com/050/0/10664626/il_570xN.725875498_1bfe.jpg
2015-12-02T00:42:10 < PeterM> usually alu frame isn't connected to anything - however, capacitive coupling means at HV you iwll stil lget hurt
2015-12-02T00:42:26 < Laurenceb> heh old school
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2015-12-02T00:47:25 < kakimir> jesus 1.6Amperes of ripple current
2015-12-02T00:47:29 < kakimir> total
2015-12-02T00:47:35 < kakimir> these caps are the crap
2015-12-02T00:47:54 < kakimir> I have little poly caps that have twice that in one little can
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2015-12-02T00:48:34 < kakimir> isn't ripple current quite high in pwm control applications
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2015-12-02T00:48:53 < kakimir> like multiple of actual current
2015-12-02T00:49:01 < kakimir> maximum
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2015-12-02T00:50:26 < upgrdman_> PeterM, is that why you could sometimes get a shock/tingling sensation when touching some usb ports? the pc case is not grounded, and is capacitively being charged up over time?
2015-12-02T00:51:49 < upgrdman_> kakimir, i've done 30A ripple current through some SMD ceramic caps. they get hot.
2015-12-02T00:52:00 < upgrdman_> one even burned.
2015-12-02T00:55:39 < PeterM> upgrdman_, nah its because of the pri-sec coupling from the y capacitor thta is used to reduce emi/rfi
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2015-12-02T00:56:23 < upgrdman_> y caps are the ones that go from phase to ground, and neutral to ground?
2015-12-02T00:56:46 < PeterM> yes, and from primary to secondary
2015-12-02T00:57:08 < PeterM> remember those little blue caps sitting next to the opto?
2015-12-02T00:57:33 < upgrdman_> what pic?
2015-12-02T00:58:29 < PeterM> in like every smps
2015-12-02T00:59:36 < upgrdman_> oh ok.
2015-12-02T00:59:47 < upgrdman_> ya i think i know what youre talking about
2015-12-02T00:59:56 < PeterM> like herte http://lygte-info.dk/pic/USB%20PS%20test/4/DSC_1266.jpg or here http://rcbeacon.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/IMG_3471m_hdd-power-supply-cap.jpg (shitty  placement)  or here https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qoKo3dW7cd4/VkaScxza1cI/AAAAAAAAxXk/SIRAV9ue7JE/w400/tooclose.jpg (even worse)
2015-12-02T01:00:11 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-12-02T01:01:31 < upgrdman_> how does it reduce emi/rfi? by coupling the noise back into the low impedence mains supply?
2015-12-02T01:02:12 < ds2> not generate it in the first place
2015-12-02T01:05:20 < kakimir> I wonder how ceramic caps work at 200celsius
2015-12-02T01:05:26 < kakimir> even better?
2015-12-02T01:05:30 < upgrdman_> na
2015-12-02T01:05:35 < kakimir> liquid capacitors
2015-12-02T01:05:49 < upgrdman_> kakimir, this will happen: http://farrellf.com/temp/burned_mlcc_capacitor_taiyo_yuden_UMK325C7106MM-T_50V_10uF.jpg
2015-12-02T01:06:12 < kakimir> how many mps=?
2015-12-02T01:06:14 < kakimir> amps
2015-12-02T01:06:25 < upgrdman_> that was just under 30A ripple
2015-12-02T01:06:36 < kakimir> nice
2015-12-02T01:06:49 < kakimir> some 5A spec?
2015-12-02T01:07:13 < upgrdman_> iirc it didnt have a ripple rating
2015-12-02T01:07:17 < upgrdman_> but ya, prolly 5A or less
2015-12-02T01:07:23 < upgrdman_> it was on this: http://farrellf.com/temp/induction_heater_revC.jpg
2015-12-02T01:07:36 < kakimir> what is it for?
2015-12-02T01:07:51 < upgrdman_> i lated used more smaller caps, and positioned them so they could be water cooled in a tub of water: http://farrellf.com/temp/induction_heater_revE.jpg
2015-12-02T01:08:10 < upgrdman_> kakimir, induction heater toy project
2015-12-02T01:11:26 < kakimir> why so small
2015-12-02T01:12:08 < upgrdman_> because ATM i have no garage or backyard, so i keep my high-ish power stuff not too powerful. if magic smoke comes out, it comes out in my bedroom :(
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2015-12-02T01:13:00 < upgrdman_> that setup can do 500W for a short period of time. main limited factor is the caps.
2015-12-02T01:13:11 < upgrdman_> maybe one day i will buy a proper cap made for this stuff
2015-12-02T01:15:10 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/293/e-vz-6403.pdf so if we look at this frequecy coefficient part it says it's 1.0 at 120hz and 1.5 when over 10khz
2015-12-02T01:15:16 < kakimir> so it's even worse
2015-12-02T01:15:40 < kakimir> actually just 1amp ripple of this pile of crap capacitors
2015-12-02T01:16:17 < upgrdman_> use a low-esr mlcc.
2015-12-02T01:16:28 < kakimir> maybe I need to solder these turds off and throw some mlccs in there
2015-12-02T01:16:33 < upgrdman_> they cost more, but for hobby shit, why not
2015-12-02T01:16:39 < ds2> upgrdman_: how bad is the EMI from your device right now?
2015-12-02T01:16:54 < upgrdman_> ds2, never bothered to check :)
2015-12-02T01:17:01 < ds2> no spec an?
2015-12-02T01:17:11 < upgrdman_> aside from an anal disco? no.
2015-12-02T01:17:22 < ds2> oh
2015-12-02T01:17:25 < kakimir> maybe I solder one beefy capacitor bank out of these to get actually rid of these
2015-12-02T01:17:39 < kakimir> these are no good for anything
2015-12-02T01:17:43 < ds2> what have you melted with that induction heater?
2015-12-02T01:17:45 < kakimir> do you agree?
2015-12-02T01:17:55 < upgrdman_> kakimir, iirc tantalum is good for low-esr, just dont go past their limits.
2015-12-02T01:18:06 < upgrdman_> ds2, small aluminum strip
2015-12-02T01:18:11 < upgrdman_> i have a video here:
2015-12-02T01:18:19 < ReadError> anyone know of a good method to testing caps
2015-12-02T01:18:26 < ReadError> got some cheap 22uF from china
2015-12-02T01:18:35 < upgrdman_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHv33XZ9xDo
2015-12-02T01:18:36 < ReadError> they say 25v but, china
2015-12-02T01:18:50 < englishman> apply 25v, run like hell
2015-12-02T01:19:08 < ds2> upgrdman_: I wonder how well does 500W work for small amounts of higher temp metals (say bits of gold for a jeweler)
2015-12-02T01:19:10 < kakimir> I dont have tantalums
2015-12-02T01:19:10 < ReadError> for how much i paid, i dont think they are really 25v
2015-12-02T01:19:35 < upgrdman_> ds2, good question. i dont know.
2015-12-02T01:19:51 < kakimir> I wonder what ripple currents actually are in practical 20khz fan control and such
2015-12-02T01:20:24 < kakimir> in comparison to average current and duty
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2015-12-02T01:31:36 < celeron55> kakimir: ripple current depends on how you supply power to your board
2015-12-02T01:32:29 < celeron55> at 50% PWM it could be half of what you're putting out, but only if the inductance of the power supply is high relative to the switching frequency
2015-12-02T01:35:20 < celeron55> as far as i know, for example things powered by batteries can often get away with little capacitance because the battery is able to keep up with most of the ripple
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2015-12-02T01:38:11 < celeron55> (umm... no, actually i think at 50% PWM it could be 100% of the output current?)
2015-12-02T01:38:22 < kakimir> 24volt car battery set
2015-12-02T01:38:30 < kakimir> 10meters of copper between
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2015-12-02T01:40:19 < kakimir> okay
2015-12-02T01:40:23 < kakimir> lots of caps then
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2015-12-02T01:41:15 < kakimir> 5x3 bank
2015-12-02T01:41:53 < kakimir> 2,75amps
2015-12-02T01:41:57 < kakimir> ridiculous
2015-12-02T01:42:17 < kakimir> it's easy to put out 10amps with fan
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2015-12-02T01:42:36 < kakimir> even with 24volt fan
2015-12-02T01:44:06 < celeron55> you could estimate the inductance of the incoming power supply, and compare it with the switching rate
2015-12-02T01:44:30 < celeron55> if it's higher, you know the caps have to handle most of the ripple
2015-12-02T01:44:39 < celeron55> if not, then they might not need to
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2015-12-02T01:46:54 < aandrew> it's hard to estimate the inductance of the incoming supply
2015-12-02T01:47:16 < aandrew> I typically just build a prototype with enough space to experiment and empirically evaluate a few different things
2015-12-02T01:48:01 < celeron55> measuring it is a good idea of course
2015-12-02T01:49:42 < celeron55> like, just attach a current probe to the capacitor or the supply wire
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2015-12-02T01:55:18 < kakimir> I think 4000micros of caps is ok
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2015-12-02T01:59:23 < celeron55> how much current handling does that mean?
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2015-12-02T02:05:14 < Getty> just rewatching the jobs movie, i see that they put on sockets for all the chips on the apple
2015-12-02T02:05:20 < Getty> did they really used sockets?
2015-12-02T02:05:44 < kakimir> celeron55: 3amps ripple :D
2015-12-02T02:06:21 < Laurenceb> Getty: what?
2015-12-02T02:07:06 < Getty> for the chips, they put on sockets (in the movie) and then the chip on the socket, like all over the board, the complete thing
2015-12-02T02:07:12 < Getty> i somehow doubt that they really did that
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2015-12-02T02:07:16 < Getty> but i might be wrong
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2015-12-02T02:15:05 < kakimir> I think maybe supply will provide lacking lets say 7amps
2015-12-02T02:15:33 < kakimir> is there any use to solder high current mlcc paraller to this bank
2015-12-02T02:15:41 < kakimir> low capacity
2015-12-02T02:15:46 < kakimir> 22uF or so
2015-12-02T02:19:20 < Laurenceb> holy shit I lolld
2015-12-02T02:19:22 < Laurenceb> https://www.rt.com/uk/324140-schoolgirl-allergy-wifi-suicide/
2015-12-02T02:20:16 < kakimir> I need usb ethernet now
2015-12-02T02:20:17 < kakimir> !
2015-12-02T02:21:26 < kakimir> I'm ok with 2.4ghz filling my area
2015-12-02T02:21:41 < kakimir> but better to not have anything excess
2015-12-02T02:22:18 < BrainDamage> the other day i saw someone claiming 2.4 _Hz_ was making problems
2015-12-02T02:22:23 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hot-USB-3-0-to10-100-1000Mbps-Gigabit-RJ45-Ethernet-LAN-Network-Card-Adapter-/381452792606
2015-12-02T02:22:30 < kakimir> sweet
2015-12-02T02:22:35 < kakimir> I need to order this soon
2015-12-02T02:22:46 < kakimir> I dont have router but whatever
2015-12-02T02:54:01 < dongs> sup pro blogs
2015-12-02T02:55:09 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/01/randall_munroe_talk_tickets/
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2015-12-02T03:00:52 < kakimir> tomorrow tax returns
2015-12-02T03:01:01 < kakimir> christmas is early for poor people
2015-12-02T03:01:05 < kakimir> *comes
2015-12-02T03:08:32 < Laurenceb> http://kemhubri.dephub.go.id/knkt/ntsc_aviation/baru/Final%20Report%20PK-AXC.pdf
2015-12-02T03:08:40 < Laurenceb> I see lots of excel and n00bery
2015-12-02T03:09:24 < Laurenceb> lol @ google earth screenshots
2015-12-02T03:11:04 < kakimir> what is this big
2015-12-02T03:12:31 < dongs> hey Laurenceb
2015-12-02T03:13:15 < dongs> http://uas.wales/sq-4/
2015-12-02T03:13:20 < dongs> after ivan got fired, they did this
2015-12-02T03:13:40 < dongs> check hardware specifications for lulz
2015-12-02T03:13:49 < Laurenceb> lol at voice recorder
2015-12-02T03:13:56 < Laurenceb> "pull up... no pull down"
2015-12-02T03:14:03 < Laurenceb> "what is going wrong??"
2015-12-02T03:14:35 < dongs> shut up and open that page
2015-12-02T03:15:04 < dongs> which indonesia flight is that report of
2015-12-02T03:15:10 < kakimir> my favorite dongs is up
2015-12-02T03:15:14 < Laurenceb> uh oh
2015-12-02T03:15:23 < Laurenceb> is this some ivan reedman
2015-12-02T03:15:44 < kakimir> do japs have christmas?
2015-12-02T03:15:51 < dongs> no
2015-12-02T03:15:58 < dongs> jesus doesnt exist
2015-12-02T03:16:16 < dongs> oh fuck its the airasia report
2015-12-02T03:16:30 < dongs> sweet
2015-12-02T03:16:32 < dongs> thx 4 link
2015-12-02T03:17:03 < kakimir> christmas is pagan occasion anyways
2015-12-02T03:18:31 < kakimir> and one jew died same day so there comes misundertanding to it
2015-12-02T03:18:54 < kakimir> *around same time to
2015-12-02T03:19:10 < kakimir> no wait.. was born?
2015-12-02T03:20:05 < Laurenceb> Figure 35 is the problem
2015-12-02T03:20:18 < dongs> wat page is that one
2015-12-02T03:20:20 < dongs> on
2015-12-02T03:21:03 < Laurenceb> 68
2015-12-02T03:21:21 < Laurenceb> cracked pin
2015-12-02T03:22:05 < dongs> Technical Follow Ups more like TEchnical Fuck Ups
2015-12-02T03:22:28 < kakimir> are you actually reading it thru?
2015-12-02T03:22:42 < kakimir> luckily world have people that do
2015-12-02T03:23:30 < dongs> Subsequent flight crew action leading to inability to control the aircraft in the Alternate Law resulted in the aircraft departing from the normal flight envelope and entering prolonged stall condition that was beyond the capability of the flight crew to recover
2015-12-02T03:23:30 < Laurenceb> the report is major n00b
2015-12-02T03:23:35 < Sync> The 3.6mm lens on each camera provide a 87 degree FOV diagonal and has a low light sensitivity. Night vision is aided by a powerful spot light that is strong enough to illuminate a room or provide searching at night (limited to 20 meters range). lel
2015-12-02T03:23:38 < dongs> TL;DR: modern pilots are way too lay
2015-12-02T03:23:49 < dongs> er lazy
2015-12-02T03:23:56 < Laurenceb> looks like put together by EMdrivers with google earth and word
2015-12-02T03:24:53 < kakimir> old laptop had win10 1055 main update
2015-12-02T03:25:00 < kakimir> took like 2 hours
2015-12-02T03:25:25 < kakimir> this new one.. I don't know if I even noticed it
2015-12-02T03:25:48 < kakimir> this is the killer believe me
2015-12-02T03:26:20 < Sync> dongs: the fuck
2015-12-02T03:26:29 < Sync> do they run the flight control on their GPS shits?!
2015-12-02T03:27:41 < dongs> Sync: who/wat, bcb?
2015-12-02T03:27:49 < Sync> ye
2015-12-02T03:27:52 < dongs> its just pixhawk
2015-12-02T03:27:54 < dongs> with whaever it can do
2015-12-02T03:28:01 < dongs> all those things is just standard dixhawk features
2015-12-02T03:28:32 < Sync> yeah looks like it
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2015-12-02T03:29:37 < Sync> why the hell does that thing have two discrete gyro/accels + mpu6000
2015-12-02T03:29:52 < dongs> cuz its amazing
2015-12-02T03:30:50 < kakimir> can't you make more accuracy out of 2
2015-12-02T03:31:12 < kakimir> rotationwise at least
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2015-12-02T03:34:18 < Sync> or you use amaze silicon sensing gyros
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2015-12-02T03:37:13 < kakimir> cant you even out some vibrations with 2 gyros having less latency for averaging
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2015-12-02T03:38:12 < kakimir> if there is advanced signal processing then you should put 3or more gyros even
2015-12-02T03:38:18 < kakimir> was
2015-12-02T03:43:12 < ds2> you can get more accuracy with more gyros
2015-12-02T03:43:25 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-02T03:44:08 < kakimir> put two in same place and you can get virtually one gyro with less noise
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2015-12-02T03:44:27 < kakimir> is there noise in gyros^?
2015-12-02T03:44:46 < ds2> yes
2015-12-02T03:44:54 < ds2> and drift
2015-12-02T03:45:23 < ds2> just plot the output of a phone sitting still
2015-12-02T03:46:15 < kakimir> it's absolute crap
2015-12-02T03:46:59 < ds2> mem gyros are horrible compared to the mechanical stuff
2015-12-02T03:48:36 < ds2> mems
2015-12-02T03:49:48 < kakimir> have laser gyros
2015-12-02T03:55:54 < kakimir> yes and that happens even without any initial confirmation
2015-12-02T03:56:09 < kakimir> it's functioning as soon your account is connected
2015-12-02T04:01:03 < kakimir> their shit have not excited for years
2015-12-02T04:01:18 < kakimir> at least functioning properly now
2015-12-02T04:02:36 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNFVxSVlrUWNIUGs/view?usp=sharing new project
2015-12-02T04:03:19 < kakimir> general kind of amplifier
2015-12-02T04:04:04 < kakimir> have that universal so16 pinout and ability to create all kind of amplifier schemes around it
2015-12-02T04:04:16 < kakimir> instumentation ie.
2015-12-02T04:04:58 < kakimir> 2 per voltage rail?
2015-12-02T04:05:06 < kakimir> how many you need?
2015-12-02T04:05:19 < kakimir> I think I had them as 0805
2015-12-02T04:05:50 < kakimir> oh I need few big ones
2015-12-02T04:05:59 < kakimir> thanks for heads up
2015-12-02T04:07:25 < kakimir> stone project?
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2015-12-02T04:07:50 < kakimir> anime boobs and tentacles touching?
2015-12-02T04:08:28 < kakimir> oh version update?
2015-12-02T04:09:36 < kakimir> sounds bad
2015-12-02T04:09:39 < kakimir> what you doings?
2015-12-02T04:11:24 < kakimir> some legacy fun?
2015-12-02T04:13:44 < kakimir> why not using mint?
2015-12-02T04:13:56 < kakimir> best there is
2015-12-02T04:14:13 < kakimir> totally people I got idea from
2015-12-02T04:14:21 < kakimir> were actually averagelly faggot
2015-12-02T04:19:17 < kakimir> true
2015-12-02T04:22:15 < GargantuaSauce> have you really never had a windows update break your machine?
2015-12-02T04:22:35 < GargantuaSauce> it's happened to me in both xp and win7
2015-12-02T04:22:48 < kakimir> I don't remember ever breaking my lunix
2015-12-02T04:23:22 < kakimir> I think it happened though.. 2005 or so
2015-12-02T04:23:29 < GargantuaSauce> both were legit copies
2015-12-02T04:23:41 < kakimir> ubuntu didn't have their shiet together back then
2015-12-02T04:25:24 < kakimir> hah I had the first ubuntu there was
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2015-12-02T04:36:23 < Getty> ah, the good old tank bulldozer... nearly forgot him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA
2015-12-02T04:36:58 < Getty> not as cool as the guy with the actual stolen tank, but for sure bigger motivation ;)
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2015-12-02T04:42:00 < Getty> R2COM: yeah? thats why i said that i nearly forgot him?
2015-12-02T04:42:29 < Getty> IF THAT IS NOT EPIC WHAT ELSE????? 8-)
2015-12-02T04:42:42 < Getty> he metal plated a fucking bulldozer and destroyed a town
2015-12-02T04:42:48 < Getty> what the hell is your definition of EPIC?! 8-D
2015-12-02T04:43:40 < kakimir> they apparently didn't had armor piercing shells in town
2015-12-02T04:44:00 < englishman> prolly cuz its part of daily life in russia
2015-12-02T04:44:09 < Getty> kakimir: NRA would be proud of this comment now ;)
2015-12-02T04:53:47 < Getty> trust me, if a german would make a metal plated bulldozer, it would be safe for any kind of penetration ;) #germansknowhowtomaketanks
2015-12-02T04:54:31 < Getty> and planes.... and submarines..... did i missed something?
2015-12-02T04:54:45 < kakimir> germany weapons are legal to future terrorists
2015-12-02T04:54:46 < Getty> we suck at making ships
2015-12-02T04:55:21 < Getty> we even export our police
2015-12-02T04:55:26 < Getty> well our guns do suck now
2015-12-02T04:55:30 < Getty> remove that from the list
2015-12-02T04:55:40 < ds2> any videos of a T-80 getting destroyed?
2015-12-02T04:55:57 < Getty> ds2: search for "gopro on tanks" .... that is actually a thing
2015-12-02T04:56:13 < ds2> that's old :D
2015-12-02T04:56:20 < ds2> is the T-80 allowed for export yet?
2015-12-02T04:56:22 < Getty> well needs to said often ;)
2015-12-02T04:57:55 < Getty> imagine what would come out, if you would give german engineers the american military budget
2015-12-02T04:58:03 < Getty> just... think about it
2015-12-02T04:58:05 < Getty> ;)
2015-12-02T04:58:23 < Getty> or buy it
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2015-12-02T04:58:36 < Getty> they bought the best submarine production company in the world
2015-12-02T04:58:50 < Getty> economical overtake of military infrastructure, so funny..... long live free market
2015-12-02T04:59:02 < Getty> yeah hubble would be pretty useless project idea
2015-12-02T04:59:56 < kakimir> german  engineers get as much money as us military engineers... propably
2015-12-02T05:00:28 < Getty> well in payment for their work yes
2015-12-02T05:00:35 < Getty> but we talk about some billions less in budget for the product
2015-12-02T05:00:44 < Getty> and some thousand less of personal that could actually use it
2015-12-02T05:00:54 < Getty> our last weapon project was a pure mess
2015-12-02T05:01:15 < Getty> i forgot its name... the latest assault rifle that was produced for the complete german army
2015-12-02T05:01:20 < Getty> (and for some other european country)
2015-12-02T05:01:24 < Getty> its a total disaster
2015-12-02T05:01:36 < Getty> the weapon is unfit to be used at wars
2015-12-02T05:02:01 < Getty> http://www.dw.com/en/calls-mount-for-g36-assault-rifle-replacement/a-18392436
2015-12-02T05:02:06 < Getty> G36
2015-12-02T05:02:22 < kakimir> imagine if us military sector would turn into civil engineering in one night
2015-12-02T05:02:31 < Getty> yeah actually we should give russia the title for the best assault rifles
2015-12-02T05:02:41 < Getty> kakimir: that is what we ALL dream of, since forever.... ;)
2015-12-02T05:03:07 < Getty> kakimir: there is some compare list, ONLY taking into account the stealth bombers
2015-12-02T05:03:44 < Getty> only with the budget of those bombers you could solve homeless and give free educiation for everybody, something like that
2015-12-02T05:03:50 < Getty> s/only/alone/
2015-12-02T05:04:55 < Getty> but i find it funny how in the article its written "the possibilities with the rifle are limited"
2015-12-02T05:05:12 < Getty> people from the army actually say it a bit more harsh... like... they would prefer to use WW2 weapons than this
2015-12-02T05:06:12 < kakimir> sorry mate
2015-12-02T05:06:28 < Getty> well our army was always a joke, so no sorry here
2015-12-02T05:06:41 < kakimir> it's an empire of arms dealers
2015-12-02T05:06:54 < kakimir> it's not to be changed
2015-12-02T05:07:08 < Getty> when there are joint activities the german soldiers always looks very very bad, i remember the stories of my friend who were in afghanistan
2015-12-02T05:07:31 < Getty> the british and french troops brought cooks, high class cooks, for the food
2015-12-02T05:07:36 < Getty> german soldiers => rations all day
2015-12-02T05:07:40 < Getty> hehhehehehehee
2015-12-02T05:07:45 < Getty> yeah....... we lost a bit grip ;-)
2015-12-02T05:07:46 < Getty> hehehhehehe
2015-12-02T05:07:53 < Getty> no idea why ;)
2015-12-02T05:08:12 < Getty> i play warthunder, so i got that going ;)
2015-12-02T05:08:30 < Getty> that is actually a good question, i THINK he was too young if i remember correctly he was just in HJ
2015-12-02T05:09:14 < Getty> i think it was never a topic cause he was too young
2015-12-02T05:09:32 < Getty> yeah, if i calculate proper he was 5-10-15 years max at the wartime
2015-12-02T05:10:18 < Getty> as said, i highly doubt it
2015-12-02T05:10:26 < Getty> and he was coming from koenigsberg
2015-12-02T05:10:30 < Getty> so his parents didnt served for sure
2015-12-02T05:11:04 < Getty> LOL ;)
2015-12-02T05:11:50 < Getty> i do remember his old books of the time
2015-12-02T05:11:54 < Getty> i always drew little tie-fighter in it
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2015-12-02T05:12:14 < Getty> retrospective seen was probably not that fitting ;-))))
2015-12-02T05:12:48 < Getty> he lost everything cause of that war and i draw little tie fighter attacking his hometown ;)
2015-12-02T05:14:46 < Getty> yeah
2015-12-02T05:14:49 < Getty> i know this
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2015-12-02T05:14:55 < Getty> i worked for american companies......
2015-12-02T05:15:14 < Getty> there i saw that people actually can have a different work culture
2015-12-02T05:15:25 < Getty> i thought how i worked and how all german people around me work is "normal"
2015-12-02T05:15:29 < Getty> i was so wrong............................
2015-12-02T05:19:51 < kakimir> enlightenment
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2015-12-02T05:37:09 < kakimir> https://youtu.be/VKpQgEyjNdM
2015-12-02T05:43:39 < Getty> kakimir: Key & Peele is just so epic.....
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2015-12-02T06:08:55 < kakimir> yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx0-B-Ly4oQ
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2015-12-02T06:25:00 < upgrdman> so much lol in this. keep reading down the page. skim if you have to. lol.  https://storify.com/MissJia/when-your-mom-finds-your-fleshlight
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2015-12-02T06:28:43 < upgrdman> :)
2015-12-02T06:29:00 < Getty> yeah, they should start introducing TÜV
2015-12-02T06:29:10 < Getty> i saw cars on the street there, i never ever would see on our streets
2015-12-02T06:29:15 < Getty> like fixed with duct tape and stuff
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2015-12-02T06:36:16 < Getty> thats the common one these days as i heard
2015-12-02T06:37:03 < Getty> i dont know
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2015-12-02T06:37:11 < Getty> didnt bought harddiscs in ages
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2015-12-02T06:50:44 < Getty> seriously, would more think of those PCI SSD
2015-12-02T06:50:49 < Getty> thats at least my next target
2015-12-02T06:50:57 < Getty> PCIe i mean
2015-12-02T06:51:02 < Getty> there are cheap ones
2015-12-02T06:51:09 < Getty> and still with this ultra highspeed
2015-12-02T06:51:32 < Getty> let me seek the one i searched out last time
2015-12-02T06:53:19 < Getty> cant find the specific one again, but look at this one for example: https://www.alternate.de/Plextor/PX-256M6e-BK-256-GB-Solid-State-Drive/html/product/1184175?tk=7&lk=8565
2015-12-02T06:53:56 < Getty> here is one of the more interesting models https://www.alternate.de/Intel(R)/SSDPEDMW400G4X1-400-GB-Solid-State-Drive/html/product/1232800?tk=7&lk=8565
2015-12-02T06:53:59 < Getty> look at the speed there
2015-12-02T06:54:12 < Getty> i think the cable can do max 600MB/s
2015-12-02T06:54:28 < Getty> well if you think SSD then you already start thinking about speed, i mean why else use SSD?
2015-12-02T06:54:33 < Getty> 2200 MB/s
2015-12-02T06:54:38 < Getty> Geschwindigkeit: Lesen: 2200 MB/s, Schreiben: 900 MB/s
2015-12-02T06:54:42 < Getty> Speed: Read: Write:
2015-12-02T06:55:01 < Getty> huhu it gonna be good for the OS
2015-12-02T06:55:10 < Getty> those are the ones where you saw the 1 sec windows booting
2015-12-02T06:55:14 < Getty> or under 1sec
2015-12-02T06:55:22 < Getty> yeah sure its ultrafast
2015-12-02T06:55:26 < Getty> for some computer that would be RAM ;)
2015-12-02T06:55:36 < Getty> well its not windows, rihgt? ;)
2015-12-02T06:55:52 < Getty> i have SSD system and its for sure still taking more than 1 second to boot
2015-12-02T06:56:10 < Getty> but i think with that bastard there, i can get it under 1sec ;)
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2015-12-02T06:56:53 < Getty> yeah
2015-12-02T06:56:56 < Getty> i know
2015-12-02T06:57:02 < Getty> thats our normal difference, yes
2015-12-02T06:57:15 < Getty> like phones which cost 500$ in US cost here 600 EUR
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2015-12-02T06:57:28 < Getty> well germany has always high prices
2015-12-02T06:57:33 < Getty> given the surrounding costs
2015-12-02T06:58:03 < Getty> well at least your prices would be higher ;-)
2015-12-02T06:58:28 < Getty> any other country in the world ;)
2015-12-02T06:59:08 < Getty> SIEMENS would probably be the Intel/IBM of the market
2015-12-02T06:59:11 < Getty> both at once even
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2015-12-02T07:00:48 < Getty> there is this one hoster who gives statistics about failing harddiscs
2015-12-02T07:00:51 < Getty> might be a good start
2015-12-02T07:01:00 < Getty> they probably already tested a lot 6TB ones
2015-12-02T07:01:03 < Getty> i dont recall out of head
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2015-12-02T07:01:15 < Getty> but they make a big report yearly which normally goes around, but dont ask me for the name
2015-12-02T07:02:51 < Getty> in the good old days you could go by company who sells hte stuff
2015-12-02T07:02:58 < Getty> but sadly those days are so over.... so totally over over
2015-12-02T07:03:59 < Getty> i BET you will find tons of products sold outside of germany more cheap as inside germany
2015-12-02T07:04:20 < Getty> its the german laws, they enforce companies to care about more
2015-12-02T07:04:31 < Getty> which leads to the companies needing more money to handle it
2015-12-02T07:04:36 < Getty> the customer
2015-12-02T07:04:38 < Getty> and his rights
2015-12-02T07:05:15 < Getty> every company with 10 or more employee needs to set a privacy-responsible who has to give significant time of his work to care about the security of the data and the privacy of the employees and customer
2015-12-02T07:05:28 < Getty> also with 10 or more employee they can create a "betriebsrat"
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2015-12-02T07:05:43 < Getty> which makes 1 employee unfireable and "talker" for the other employee
2015-12-02T07:05:54 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/battery-with-unlimited-power-for-your-mobile-phone#/ found R2COM dickstarter
2015-12-02T07:05:57 < Getty> also you must see that in germany you cant fire all guys how you want it ;)
2015-12-02T07:06:06 < Getty> yeah sure
2015-12-02T07:06:38 < dongs> Our battery is absolutely safe! No chemical and nuclear reactions in your pocket! No swelling and leakages! No radiation and radioactive background! No extremely hazardous elements! 100% safe!
2015-12-02T07:07:46 < Getty> the phone case becomes more and more like an attachment spot on a gaming weapon
2015-12-02T07:07:52 < Getty> but you can only pick one!!!!
2015-12-02T07:08:56 < dongs> lol @ comparison with portable generator
2015-12-02T07:09:35 < Getty> i like the subtile russian touch to the english ;)
2015-12-02T07:10:40 < Getty> "If you buy Battery for Iphone you should go to your Iphone-master, and he will install it."
2015-12-02T07:10:57 < Getty> go to babuschka! babuschka make good!
2015-12-02T07:11:17 < dongs> what hte fuck is the battery for iphone 6
2015-12-02T07:11:24 < dongs> they're offering the internal battery  (replacement)?
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2015-12-02T07:26:13 < upgrdman> are there any usb power banks that can do the high power samsung shit? (iirc 9V 2A or something like that)
2015-12-02T07:26:32 < dongs> .The USB Type-C port will also serve as a SPDIF out connection supporting up to a 384KHz/32 bit digital audio signal. (We are also testing a 768KHz/32bit mode, however this is yet to be confirmed)
2015-12-02T07:26:43 < dongs> upgrdman: unl;ess samsung makes one no
2015-12-02T07:26:54 < dongs> proprietary stuffz
2015-12-02T07:27:09 < dongs> i bought car cig lighter adapter for samsung fast charge shit, very pro
2015-12-02T07:27:12 < upgrdman> oh, it's not some resistors on d+ d-?
2015-12-02T07:27:15 < dongs> no
2015-12-02T07:27:19 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-02T07:27:19 < dongs> its negotiated
2015-12-02T07:27:28 < dongs> it sends 5V first
2015-12-02T07:27:32 < dongs> then negotiates
2015-12-02T07:27:34 < dongs> and send 9V
2015-12-02T07:28:08 < upgrdman> do you like the cig lighter one you got? link?
2015-12-02T07:28:41 < dongs> picked up in best korea when was tehre last
2015-12-02T07:28:45 < dongs> but its official samsung thing
2015-12-02T07:29:09 < upgrdman> oh ok
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2015-12-02T07:33:13 < upgrdman> dongs, you got this one?  http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Adaptive-Charger-Adapter-Technology/dp/B014X37HH8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1449034352&sr=8-2&keywords=samsung+car+chargers
2015-12-02T07:33:55 < dongs> yep
2015-12-02T07:33:57 < dongs> that looks like it
2015-12-02T07:34:12 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-02T07:34:38 < dongs> huh samsung even has ~fast~ Qi charger
2015-12-02T07:34:45 < dongs> didnmt know
2015-12-02T07:35:04 < upgrdman> lol. for those times when you need to charge four 5v 2.4a devices in your car:  http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Adaptive-Charger-Adapter-Technology/dp/B014X37HH8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1449034352&sr=8-2&keywords=samsung+car+chargers
2015-12-02T07:35:13 < dongs> same link, no?
2015-12-02T07:36:35 < upgrdman> different version
2015-12-02T07:36:46 < dongs> nig, the link is same
2015-12-02T07:36:48 < upgrdman> oh i guess it doesnt update the link
2015-12-02T07:36:49 < dongs> you failed 2 paste
2015-12-02T07:36:59 < dongs> oh
2015-12-02T07:37:01 < dongs> h48W 4 ports
2015-12-02T07:37:13 < upgrdman> ya
2015-12-02T07:37:13 < dongs> i dont think thats samsung original lol
2015-12-02T07:37:14 < upgrdman> http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B017U6JIX6/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all&qid=1449034352&sr=8-2
2015-12-02T07:37:18 < upgrdman> yz
2015-12-02T07:37:23 < upgrdman> ya i know. clone. but lulz
2015-12-02T07:37:26 < dongs> ya out 5V
2015-12-02T07:37:27 < dongs> trash
2015-12-02T07:37:42 < dongs> wtf why is amazon even linking those two together
2015-12-02T07:37:43 < dongs> fail
2015-12-02T07:38:17 < upgrdman> hmm i have one of those china qi pads. bought it for my dixus4, but the dixus4 would freak out with it. touchscreen would generate random touches etc.
2015-12-02T07:38:26 < upgrdman> but with my note 5 i should try it out
2015-12-02T07:38:49 < upgrdman> wouldnt prolly take like 24 hours to charge tho, but whatever.
2015-12-02T07:38:56 < upgrdman> would*
2015-12-02T07:50:40 < dongs> just ordered something from ebay labeled as ~from japan~
2015-12-02T07:50:59 < dongs> waiting for the seller to cancel "IF UR IN JP WHY YOU BUY FROM EBAY????"
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2015-12-02T08:02:46 < dongs> fuck
2015-12-02T08:02:47 < dongs> got meail
2015-12-02T08:02:50 < dongs> email
2015-12-02T08:02:53 < dongs> i bet its cancelling
2015-12-02T08:03:06 < dongs> huh no good. kk
2015-12-02T08:11:15 < jpa-> hmm, i have 4 signals + external clock; i would like to sample the signals on the clock, preferrably quite accurately
2015-12-02T08:11:49 < jpa-> how would one do this? my best idea so far is timer input + dma, but that will cause an unpredictable delay due to DMA bus contention
2015-12-02T08:12:41 < jpa-> on PIC18F i would use parallel slave bus! :)
2015-12-02T08:14:04 < emeb_mac> use an external register and read at leisure after clock edge?
2015-12-02T08:14:42 < jpa-> well, it is latched externally, but at 19.5 MHz so i'm not sure if i have that much leisure
2015-12-02T08:15:48 < jpa-> it might be fast enough with timer-triggered DMA.. but hard to find bounds for how long a DMA transfer might take
2015-12-02T08:16:05 < dongs> is that seeeedsutdio scope thing?
2015-12-02T08:16:33 < jpa-> no
2015-12-02T08:16:47 < jpa-> this is some software gps crap i'm thinking about for fun :P
2015-12-02T08:17:39 < jpa-> i wonder if I2S could input it.. SPI definitely could but i don't feel like using up 4 SPI interfaces
2015-12-02T08:18:03 < qyx> 4bit gps sampler?
2015-12-02T08:18:31 < dongs> isnt gps 1bit
2015-12-02T08:18:43 < qyx> can be
2015-12-02T08:19:05 < qyx> someone mentioned that you don't gain much with additional bits
2015-12-02T08:19:07 < emeb_mac> helps the correlator to have a few bits
2015-12-02T08:19:08 < jpa-> 2 x 2bit, actually; SE4110
2015-12-02T08:19:30 < jpa-> aiming to do some differential stuff between two antennas
2015-12-02T08:20:12 < emeb_mac> what processor?
2015-12-02T08:20:47 < jpa-> thinking about STM32F427, but open to options
2015-12-02T08:20:53 < emeb_mac> DCIM?
2015-12-02T08:21:22 < jpa-> hmm yeah, DCIM could work.. if it doesn't get unhappy about the lack of syncs
2015-12-02T08:21:33 < emeb_mac> that's clocked externally and can dma w/o processing
2015-12-02T08:21:46 < dongs> ah hm.
2015-12-02T08:21:51 < emeb_mac> there's a raw 8-bit mode IIRC
2015-12-02T08:21:59 < dongs> just stick a cpld on tehre!111
2015-12-02T08:22:14 < jpa-> dongs: fpga, but yeah, sure; would work and is my fallback
2015-12-02T08:22:17 < dongs> stick a max10 there, and you can do some hardcore preprocessing
2015-12-02T08:22:27 < jpa-> might as well use zynq at that point
2015-12-02T08:22:31 < dongs> lol
2015-12-02T08:22:35 < dongs> enjoy lunix
2015-12-02T08:23:06 < jpa-> but for now, i think STM32 could do it well enough as long as i get the data in :P
2015-12-02T08:23:16 < dongs> remember those u h
2015-12-02T08:23:19 < dongs> pixie something
2015-12-02T08:23:21 < dongs> gps dudes.
2015-12-02T08:23:27 < dongs> they used to hang out in here until they dickstarted
2015-12-02T08:23:47 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/swiftnav/piksi-the-rtk-gps-receiver
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2015-12-02T08:25:45 < jpa-> hmm, could steal their codes
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2015-12-02T08:32:41 < jpa-> hmm, they are using MAX2769 with IQ outputs.. would be nice for carrier phase tracking, though SE4110L is so cheap and simple :)
2015-12-02T08:32:56 < jpa-> they do most of the work on external FPGA
2015-12-02T08:33:22 < jpa-> i wonder why their hardware costs so much
2015-12-02T08:40:51 < Roklobsta> did piksi ever work as advertised?
2015-12-02T08:42:14 < dongs> no
2015-12-02T08:42:21 < dongs> of course not, its dickstarter
2015-12-02T08:42:26 < dongs> they had some "noise" issues on AFE
2015-12-02T08:42:34 < dongs> so it was never anywhere nearly as good as cheap ublox
2015-12-02T08:43:05 < Roklobsta> yep
2015-12-02T08:43:16 < Roklobsta> maybe zano used it.  drunken drone
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2015-12-02T08:46:50 < bloated> so it worked.
2015-12-02T08:47:14 < bloated> just not as good as the competition.
2015-12-02T08:55:04 < jpa-> did not work "as advertised"
2015-12-02T08:56:12 < Roklobsta> i did put in for one kickstarter, a game on steam and it's finally worked as advertised.  I am losing all sense of time when I play so I am happy.
2015-12-02T08:57:33 < jpa-> which game?
2015-12-02T08:57:53 < Roklobsta> War for the Overworld, essentially Dungeon Keeper 3.
2015-12-02T08:58:34 < Roklobsta> I almost missed Xmas in 1998 thanks to DK2.
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2015-12-02T09:03:55 < dongs> lol games
2015-12-02T09:06:28 < dongs> jpa-: you didnt know about piksi?
2015-12-02T09:09:06 < jpa-> i saw it once but didn't remember now
2015-12-02T09:09:10 < dongs> ah
2015-12-02T09:09:52 < jpa-> not that relevant anyway because i'm looking for ~$20 BOM cost as opposed to 2x$500 module (that's if it would work ;)
2015-12-02T09:10:05 < dongs> oh, i wasnt recommeinding buying it atll
2015-12-02T09:10:08 < dongs> at all
2015-12-02T09:10:09 < jpa-> i know
2015-12-02T09:10:22 < jpa-> nice reference though, it being open sores
2015-12-02T09:10:23 < dongs> technically it *is* ~$20bom
2015-12-02T09:10:24 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-02T09:11:23 < jpa-> yeh, seems a bit inflated selling price there
2015-12-02T09:11:41 < jpa-> but with external fpga etc. crap it seems a bit too complex for my needs
2015-12-02T09:12:10 < jpa-> i like tarduino-level circuits where you just stick stuff into MCU pins and everything magically works
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2015-12-02T09:26:03 < linux> hello?
2015-12-02T09:26:11 < dongs> hello original nickname
2015-12-02T09:26:27 < jpa-> are you sure there is not a gnu hiding under your dress?
2015-12-02T09:26:45 < dongs> is that a kernel or youre just happy to see me
2015-12-02T09:27:01 < Roklobsta> linux ==>> dongsbait.
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2015-12-02T09:27:19 < qyx> jpa-: Laurenceb_ did something similar
2015-12-02T09:27:19 < kicad> hallo
2015-12-02T09:27:22 < qyx> or tried to actually
2015-12-02T09:27:27 < jpa-> qyx: yeah, i remember so
2015-12-02T09:27:52 < jpa-> qyx: can't remember what interface he used to get data in, though IIRC it was just 1 bit so SPI would have worked
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2015-12-02T09:28:34 < dongs> happy 4.0 birthday
2015-12-02T09:28:49 < qyx> probably. i planned to use spi too
2015-12-02T09:28:55 < qyx> i have 4pcs of that SE4110L somewhere
2015-12-02T09:29:18 < jpa-> qyx: do you know whether there are any export restrictions on SE4110L?
2015-12-02T09:29:31 < qyx> huh, dik
2015-12-02T09:29:33 < qyx> i ebayed them
2015-12-02T09:29:40 < linux> zheng wei
2015-12-02T09:29:44 < jpa-> yeah
2015-12-02T09:29:54 < jpa-> i'll see it anyway when i digikey it
2015-12-02T09:30:06 < qyx> itsource shop or whatever it was
2015-12-02T09:30:22 < dongs> jpa-: i can add it to cart on JP digikey
2015-12-02T09:30:36 < jpa-> dongs: ah, does it usually say about it at that point?
2015-12-02T09:30:39 < dongs> yes
2015-12-02T09:30:46 < jpa-> ok :)
2015-12-02T09:30:47 < dongs> and it doesnt show uip in search
2015-12-02T09:30:48 < dongs> on regional site
2015-12-02T09:30:53 < dongs> so its most likely clear
2015-12-02T09:31:00 < jpa-> funny that they do not restrict that
2015-12-02T09:31:17 < qyx> why should they?
2015-12-02T09:31:26 < dongs> um
2015-12-02T09:31:31 < dongs> you can make a software Gps receiver
2015-12-02T09:31:35 < dongs> that ignores civilian restrictions
2015-12-02T09:31:38 < dongs> of like speed/height
2015-12-02T09:31:40 < qyx> for a rocket kaboom?
2015-12-02T09:31:42 < dongs> and mount it on a rocket
2015-12-02T09:31:42 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-02T09:31:54 < dongs> and use some crypto-enabled stm32f4's
2015-12-02T09:31:55 < dongs> for comms
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2015-12-02T09:31:58 < dongs> and ecnrypt using aes128
2015-12-02T09:32:34 < jpa-> yeah, seems like the digital part from SE4110L to position is so trivial that even north korea could do that on 90s computer
2015-12-02T09:35:09 < jpa-> i wonder when we'll see first weapon system that uses arduino
2015-12-02T09:35:33 < jpa-> digitalWrite(rocket_ignition_pin, 1);
2015-12-02T09:36:35 < dongs> north korea attack shield
2015-12-02T09:36:42 < bloated> I'm sure there a market for an open source weapons platform in Syria
2015-12-02T09:36:58 < bloated> or Yemen
2015-12-02T09:37:24 < bloated> Palestine even. They build their own rockets.
2015-12-02T09:37:33 < bloated> all they need is a targeting system.
2015-12-02T09:39:22 < dongs> need to make a fork of ardupilotmega for rockets
2015-12-02T09:43:29 < Roklobsta> in syria they seem to have plenty of meatspace bomb guidance systems.  don't need an arduino, just gullibility.
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2015-12-02T09:49:27 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: what did you get for a minipc?  i have a neato here now.  http://nucblog.net/2015/07/braswell-nuc-nuc5cpyh-review/
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2015-12-02T10:06:59 < Sync> Laurenceb_: pros in the aircraft
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2015-12-02T10:10:27 < dongs> yes
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2015-12-02T12:19:20 < dongs> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2495908,00.asp
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2015-12-02T12:21:07 < scummos> haha dongs
2015-12-02T12:21:19 < scummos> that's what you've been waiting for over the last year, no? ;P
2015-12-02T12:21:27 < dongs> sure
2015-12-02T12:21:32 < dongs> dont really care tho
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2015-12-02T12:22:09 < scummos> "The company revealed that 46 percent of the funds were used on stock and manufacturing and another 14 percent went to gross wages. The rest of the expenditures, the company said, were minimal."
2015-12-02T12:22:11 < scummos> ?!?
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2015-12-02T12:22:26 < scummos> so 60% were used properly and the remaining 40% "are not that much"? ;P
2015-12-02T12:22:27 < dongs> they bought 20k PIC32, xpicowifi, camera, etc.
2015-12-02T12:22:37 < dongs> >1mil gbp pissed away
2015-12-02T12:22:56 < dongs> maybe they can make some print servers
2015-12-02T12:23:01 < dongs> but selling 20k printserers will be hardr
2015-12-02T12:23:23 < scummos> lol
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2015-12-02T12:38:33 < ReadError> did kickstarter respond about there inquiry?
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2015-12-02T12:52:22 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/AIf4r
2015-12-02T12:52:34 < ReadError> Laurenceb_'s mom spotted
2015-12-02T12:54:51 < PeterM> Laurenceb_,, son of a fleshlight
2015-12-02T12:55:02 < PeterM> wait... thats not what you were implying
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2015-12-02T13:32:06 < Getty> oh fuck.... dolby digital plus.....
2015-12-02T13:32:51 < Getty> "oh yeah lets enforce everyone to upgrade their fundamental central audio management"
2015-12-02T13:42:37 < dongs> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/t1.0-9/10439491_10152837198430729_6475295609977512478_n.jpg?oh=508d8a5539a264f024feec8990c25851&oe=56D3E1C3
2015-12-02T14:03:13 < ReadError> jpa- didnt you make one of those VESC? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqNOx57f2OU
2015-12-02T14:03:15 < ReadError> pretty neat vid
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2015-12-02T14:44:01 < jpa-> ReadError: still waiting for pcb, but yeah, pretty cool
2015-12-02T14:44:13 < jpa-> finnish postal service broke down
2015-12-02T14:45:45 < ReadError> snow or strike?
2015-12-02T14:49:02 < jpa-> strike
2015-12-02T14:50:00 < jpa-> packets actually went through fine during the strike because they had hired non-union temp workers
2015-12-02T14:50:15 < jpa-> now the strike is over and the union workers are lazy as hell in processing the backlog
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2015-12-02T14:51:17 < ReadError> ahh, seems like the german post likes to do similiar things
2015-12-02T14:58:06 < ReadError> how much do you know about the VESC stuff?
2015-12-02T14:58:28 < ReadError> I was thinking about using them for a stepper to BLDC servo thing
2015-12-02T14:58:50 < ReadError> see they have code for steps
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2015-12-02T15:09:45 < jpa-> ReadError: haven't studied it much, but seems good as far as i've seen
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2015-12-02T15:59:40 < kakimir> so pile of caps it is https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZVhuY2gyZDhFM1U/view?usp=sharing
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2015-12-02T16:01:45 < kakimir> dat inrushcurrent
2015-12-02T16:06:23 < kakimir> I bet that 800Amp tvs will handle it
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2015-12-02T16:51:07 < jpa-> kakimir: umm.. what would TVS do to inrush currents?
2015-12-02T16:57:27 < Laurenceb> https://veuwer.com/i/3fb9.png
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2015-12-02T16:59:54 < ReadError> whats funny there
2015-12-02T17:01:32 < Laurenceb> nothing, so buy her some shit
2015-12-02T17:01:34 < Laurenceb> do it
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2015-12-02T17:06:51 < kakimir> jpa-: nothing
2015-12-02T17:07:05 < kakimir> but is there to deal with conciquences
2015-12-02T17:10:16 < mitrax> i should try e-begging
2015-12-02T17:10:24 < kakimir> what happens when I
2015-12-02T17:10:39 < mitrax> does anybody want to buy me a new desk chair?
2015-12-02T17:10:40 < kakimir> go beyond ripple current
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2015-12-02T17:10:47 < kakimir> caps pop?
2015-12-02T17:11:17 < kakimir> mitrax: work standing or on the floor
2015-12-02T17:11:57 < mitrax> that requires too much effort
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2015-12-02T17:18:55 < mitrax> that Sarkeesian chick reminds me of Rebecca Watson
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2015-12-02T19:28:35 < mtbg> hi
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2015-12-02T19:53:07 < rewolff> kakimir: beyond ripple current, they self-heat and eventually die.
2015-12-02T19:53:34 < kakimir> good
2015-12-02T19:53:42 < kakimir> 2X it is
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2015-12-02T19:59:15 < upgrdman_> are there any android app stores or sites that provide free apps that are truely free. like no ads, no begging for donations, etc.?
2015-12-02T20:00:47 < kakimir> no. there is just cancer
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2015-12-02T20:01:43 < upgrdman_> ya. so much aids in Play Store. "ITS FREE! WOOO!" ... with a fuck tons of ads on some shit arcade game that took two hours to write.
2015-12-02T20:02:29 < BrainDamage> f-droid, howrever the list is pretty restricted
2015-12-02T20:02:40 < BrainDamage> 100% sauceaids there
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2015-12-02T20:04:45 < englishman> if you think play store is bad, check out windows 10 store
2015-12-02T20:05:43 < upgrdman_> pure aids?
2015-12-02T20:06:09 < Laurenceb> aids over wifi
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2015-12-02T20:14:03 < emeb> aids as a service?
2015-12-02T20:14:49 < upgrdman_> emeb, http://www.foaas.com/ :)
2015-12-02T20:15:25 < emeb> upgrdman_: +100
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2015-12-02T20:22:33 < PaulFertser> dongs: china stm8 shit inside wltoys v966/v977 tx: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sn21ndsyow8356n/20151202_211535.jpg?dl=0 . Rudder pin 28, throttle pin 32, pins 15, 14 -- elev, ale.
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2015-12-02T20:35:47 < PaulFertser> dongs: can you read kanji ;)
2015-12-02T20:36:50 < upgrdman_> try google. they have an image translator thing.
2015-12-02T20:37:08 < zyp> I know a couple hundred or so, need help translating anything?
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2015-12-02T20:40:15 < upgrdman_> that dropbox link
2015-12-02T20:40:23 < upgrdman_> ic has china writing on it
2015-12-02T20:43:19 < zyp> first one means science in japanese, might be different in chinese
2015-12-02T20:43:32 < zyp> second I don't recognize, but I could look it up
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2015-12-02T20:45:47 < zyp> I think it's 科納
2015-12-02T20:49:03 < zyp> hmm, maybe not, I don't think the left hand side of that second character is a pattern that's used in japanese
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2015-12-02T20:49:56 < zyp> oh, yes, it looks like it indeed is the chinese variant of the one I found
2015-12-02T20:51:10 < PaulFertser> Simplified chinese?
2015-12-02T20:51:46 < PaulFertser> If it's an STM8 I can't get how they use pin 28 for ADC.
2015-12-02T20:52:29 < PaulFertser> I have stlinks on disco boards but I've no clue how to try that for swim.
2015-12-02T20:54:05 < zyp> 科纳
2015-12-02T20:54:14 < zyp> does that render the same?
2015-12-02T20:54:37 < zyp> because of han unification bullshit they might
2015-12-02T20:55:20 < zyp> apparently it says «Kona» as in the place name, this is first google hit: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%A7%91%E7%B4%8D%E5%9C%8B%E9%9A%9B%E6%A9%9F%E5%A0%B4
2015-12-02T20:55:23 < PaulFertser> With Terminus I see different renderding.
2015-12-02T20:55:41 < PaulFertser> For the second character.
2015-12-02T20:56:12 < PaulFertser> But your second version resembles what the chip has almost exactly.
2015-12-02T20:56:36 < zyp> I believe it's more or less the same character
2015-12-02T20:56:51 < PaulFertser> Just "tick" vs straight line on the bottom left part of the second character.
2015-12-02T20:56:59 < zyp> it looked exactly the same where I copied it from
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2015-12-02T20:57:10 < zyp> but it looks different in my irc window
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2015-12-02T20:58:52 < PaulFertser> So this chip remains a mistery, heh.
2015-12-02T21:08:12 < Rob235> ready for the trolls: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99345853/ws2812b_4.mp4   AND https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99345853/ws2812b_5.mp4
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2015-12-02T21:11:01 < upgrdman_> the no-homo quad. i like it
2015-12-02T21:11:23 < Steffanx> Rob235, don't throw your tissues everywhere :P
2015-12-02T21:11:41 < upgrdman_> s/tissues/fapkins
2015-12-02T21:11:49 < Rob235> :)
2015-12-02T21:12:02 < Steffanx> Sorry for not using the official term upgrdman_
2015-12-02T21:12:16 < upgrdman_> appology accepted
2015-12-02T21:13:09 < PaulFertser> dongs: you can ask your chinagirl if she can get you chinaclone stm8's for half the price :)
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2015-12-02T21:32:27 < emeb> I learn so much here. It's a more rich resource than urban dictionary.
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2015-12-02T21:38:36 < PaulFertser> I was in an old russian town with my friends where we saw a "youth culture center" building. What was odd about it is that it had big red led display that constantly scrolled some chinese letters. "Some young china culture lovers" we thought. But then my friend used his assdroid phone to ask google to decipher the message and it appeared to be some stupid shit like "No disk inserted. Insert disk
2015-12-02T21:38:42 < PaulFertser> to load data."
2015-12-02T21:40:30 < emeb> Soon we'll all be cursing in Chinese, just like on Firefly.
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2015-12-02T21:48:53 < Laurenceb> this doesnt look feasible to me
2015-12-02T21:48:55 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/DSoSsd1.gif
2015-12-02T21:49:59 < ReadError> too big?
2015-12-02T21:50:30 < Laurenceb> mechanism looks like it should jam / fall apart
2015-12-02T21:50:41 < Laurenceb> clearly I need a new job building this stuff
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2015-12-02T21:55:05 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-RNKFcRD/0/X2/CA_12021514520038-X2.jpg
2015-12-02T22:14:19 < johntramp> is it expected for the system to become unresponsive after enabling RDP1 from within the application code?
2015-12-02T22:14:43 < johntramp> even a watchdog timer doesn't seem to be able to have it stay alive
2015-12-02T22:14:59 < zyp> do you have a debugger connected?
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2015-12-02T22:16:13 < johntramp> physically connected, but no debug session
2015-12-02T22:16:36 < zyp> I believe that when read protection is enabled, attaching a debugger would block the flash completely, which even renders the cpu unable to execute from it
2015-12-02T22:16:44 < zyp> i.e. instruction fetch will busfault
2015-12-02T22:17:11 < johntramp> hmm I see
2015-12-02T22:17:28 < zyp> at least that's how it seemed to work when I dicked with it
2015-12-02T22:18:51 < johntramp> ah,from the docs:            If the read protection is se twhile the debugger is still connected through JTAG/SWD, apply a POR (power-on reset) instead of a system reset (without debugger connection).
2015-12-02T22:19:54 < zyp> makes sense, since a system reset doesn't reset the debugger interface
2015-12-02T22:20:23 < zyp> so you actually need a full power on reset after flashing before it wil runn
2015-12-02T22:20:29 < zyp> nice to know
2015-12-02T22:21:12 < johntramp> also, it is possible to program the board when in level1, or does it need setting to zero before the code can be written
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2015-12-02T22:26:17 < zyp> I think you need to do a full chip erase, which also clears the protection
2015-12-02T22:26:26 < zyp> for jtag programming, of course
2015-12-02T22:26:40 < zyp> self programming, i.e. bootloader will obviously work fine
2015-12-02T22:26:50 < zyp> as in, custom bootloader
2015-12-02T22:27:10 < zyp> or even saving data to a flash region
2015-12-02T22:32:31 < johntramp> yes I am able to load code over bluetooth still but through the debugger I was expecting to be able to write code when in rdp1 just not able to read
2015-12-02T22:32:54 < johntramp> It makes sense to drop to rdp0 though so the verify steps etc work still
2015-12-02T22:36:08 < zyp> well, consider this; what's the point of read protection on a device you're still working with a debugger on?
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2015-12-02T22:38:33 < johntramp> it is firmware which will be released to manufacture that is put through a ci system, so rdp is being set by the application each time it runs a test job
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2015-12-02T22:38:56 < johntramp> it is not a problem to disable it each time though, just a matter of adding that step into the system
2015-12-02T22:40:07 < zyp> just do a full chip erase at the beginning of each test, that'll most closely mirror the actual state of the manufactured devices that get flashed for the first time
2015-12-02T22:40:55 < johntramp> yes
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2015-12-02T23:14:25 < qyx> how is called that 4 quadrant bidirectional dc-dc converter topology?
2015-12-02T23:14:36 < qyx> 4 switches and an inductor between them
2015-12-02T23:14:44 < upgrdman_> h bridge?
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2015-12-02T23:15:10 < qyx> http://i.stack.imgur.com/zwe00.jpg
2015-12-02T23:15:19 < qyx> aha, looks like it is this one
2015-12-02T23:15:40 < qyx> those capacitors look suspicious
2015-12-02T23:15:45 < upgrdman_> some douche patented an h-bridge? wtf
2015-12-02T23:15:55 < qyx> I am assuming this is for some ZVS magic
2015-12-02T23:19:49 < qyx> http://static.electronicsweekly.com/engineer-in-wonderland/wp-content/uploads/sites/28/2014/12/two-quadrant-dc-dc-2.jpg
2015-12-02T23:19:52 < qyx> lol
2015-12-02T23:21:00 < upgrdman_> patent owned by GE. hmm
2015-12-02T23:22:08 < upgrdman_> Fee status:	Lapsed
2015-12-02T23:22:09 < upgrdman_> lol
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2015-12-02T23:48:41 < qyx> I am thinking about making a 4 quadrant 4 phase converter
2015-12-02T23:48:44 < qyx> just for the lulz
2015-12-02T23:48:52 < qyx> with 16 pwm channels
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2015-12-02T23:56:40 < upgrdman_> 4 quadrant means being able to source and sink for + and - output voltages?
2015-12-02T23:57:36 < qyx> yes
2015-12-02T23:57:41 < qyx> bidirectional buck-boost
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2015-12-03T00:25:02 < mtbg> qyx: is this synchronously rectified buck converter?
2015-12-03T00:25:43 < mtbg> or, alternatively, D-class amplifier with LC filtering
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2015-12-03T00:34:20 < bloated> will you wire the output to the input for unlimited free energy?
2015-12-03T00:36:25 < bloated> that was a retarded thing to say
2015-12-03T00:37:54 < kakimir> stm32 free energy chip needs to be inserted between them
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2015-12-03T01:08:57 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/itRyznZ
2015-12-03T01:09:07 < Laurenceb> you mean stm32 emdrive?
2015-12-03T01:09:52 < Laurenceb> oh noooooo
2015-12-03T01:09:54 < Laurenceb> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/porn-sites-hit-by-massive-malware-campaign-affecting-millions-visitors-1531525
2015-12-03T01:10:06 < Laurenceb> brb installing antivirus
2015-12-03T01:15:08 < aandrew> ok here's a question
2015-12-03T01:15:12 < aandrew> there are some quadcopter types here
2015-12-03T01:15:17 < aandrew> this is a motor driver question
2015-12-03T01:15:34 < aandrew> no fancy brushless DC, straight brushed DC being driven with H-bridges
2015-12-03T01:15:59 < kakimir> Laurenceb: haven't that thing been happening since always?
2015-12-03T01:16:26 < aandrew> I've got a lipoly batter powering the board. board has the usual switching regulator to power cpu etc.
2015-12-03T01:16:37 < aandrew> h-bridge power source is battery + terminal (no regulator)
2015-12-03T01:17:17 < aandrew> question is: is there ANY advantage to putting a ton of capacitance on the battery + or with lipoly is it wasted storage since the battery has a fairly low impedance anyway and can supply high current spikes on its own?
2015-12-03T01:17:53 < upgrdman_> you dont need a ton of capacitance, but maybe 10,000uF would be good
2015-12-03T01:18:06 < aandrew> I mean clearly put low ESR bypass caps on the H bridge supply lines to try to keep HF noise down, but does a few hundred uF of bulk electrolytics on the B+ line do anything at all?
2015-12-03T01:18:09 < upgrdman_> because of to wire length
2015-12-03T01:18:10 < johntramp> is there any way to do a power-on reset through the debug interface? or does that by definition require pulling power to VCC?
2015-12-03T01:18:24 < aandrew> johntramp: I don't think STM32 TAP can actually do a REAL power on reset
2015-12-03T01:18:37 < aandrew> you can emulate it (similar to reset button)
2015-12-03T01:18:48 < upgrdman_> aandrew, i suppose to be sure you could probe the circuit with and without.
2015-12-03T01:19:00 < aandrew> upgrdman_: true enough, just looking for some rules of thumb I guess
2015-12-03T01:19:33 < aandrew> I mean the battery is right beside the capacitors, and electrolytics generally have fairly high ESR so when the motor demands a ton of current the electrolytics might not even "see" it
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2015-12-03T01:20:14 < upgrdman_> you only use low esr caps for that, and i think the main reason is to help with parasitic inductance from the battery leads
2015-12-03T01:20:30 < zyp> aandrew, why would you use a H-bridge?
2015-12-03T01:20:36 < Laurenceb> today I checked my privilege
2015-12-03T01:20:52 < Laurenceb> help help I'm oppressed
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2015-12-03T01:21:02 < BrainDamage> so he can add future proof reverse
2015-12-03T01:21:02 < upgrdman_> espcially since rc people can be weird. i've seen some planes with battery extensions almost a meter long (so they could get CG right)
2015-12-03T01:21:04 < BrainDamage> also active braking?
2015-12-03T01:21:20 < Laurenceb> H bridge on brushed motor?
2015-12-03T01:21:27 < zyp> no point on a quadrotor
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2015-12-03T01:22:54 < aandrew> zyp: as opposed to?
2015-12-03T01:23:07 < upgrdman_> no need for H if the motor only needs to spin one way
2015-12-03T01:23:15 < upgrdman_> just nmos between motor and ground
2015-12-03T01:23:24 < aandrew> upgrdman_: oh, no these are bidirectional motors
2015-12-03T01:23:36 < upgrdman_> all motors are
2015-12-03T01:23:41 < upgrdman_> do you mean BLDC?
2015-12-03T01:23:49 < upgrdman_> ok well "most" motors are
2015-12-03T01:24:11 < johntramp> aandrew: ok cheers
2015-12-03T01:24:42 < zyp> aandrew, are you saying that this is not for a quadrotor?
2015-12-03T01:24:58 < aandrew> the motors are regular old brushed DC motors
2015-12-03T01:25:03 < aandrew> it is *not* for a quadcopter
2015-12-03T01:25:14 < zyp> then it makes sense
2015-12-03T01:28:40 < englishman> its super useful on quadcopters, you can fly upside down
2015-12-03T01:29:20 < zyp> just like zano
2015-12-03T01:29:51 < upgrdman_> theres a few collective pitch quads, and they look awesome but also look like a total bitch to crash.
2015-12-03T01:30:01 < englishman> stinkray
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2015-12-03T01:50:07 < dongs> PaulFertser: its obviously just stm8 with original label lasered off and chinashit written
2015-12-03T01:52:32 < dongs> and 8S is cheap already, STM8S105K6 is like 65c
2015-12-03T01:54:05 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/STM8S105K6B6/STM8S105K6B6-ND/2214628 lol
2015-12-03T01:55:26 < englishman> why do you +g :'(
2015-12-03T01:55:33 < dongs> fixd
2015-12-03T01:55:37 < dongs> to stop ohsix
2015-12-03T01:55:37 < dongs> lol
2015-12-03T01:56:42 < englishman> heh
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2015-12-03T01:59:10 < kakimir> hello dongs
2015-12-03T01:59:16 < kakimir> got tax returns
2015-12-03T01:59:22 < kakimir> 9euros
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2015-12-03T02:04:10 < Sync> PaulFertser: if you send me the chip I can decrap it and make die shits
2015-12-03T02:07:01 < englishman> as good quality as zeptobars?
2015-12-03T02:07:09 < englishman> what do you do, just boil in HF?
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2015-12-03T02:09:37 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZTB2ak5lM3VvLTg/view?usp=sharing progress in one evening
2015-12-03T02:09:46 < kakimir> general amplifier board
2015-12-03T02:11:04 < kakimir> outputs to sides and inputs in top and bottom, 2 have dual inputs for instumental amplifier scheme and bottom two have the cross resistor
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2015-12-03T02:12:28 < kakimir> if I feature it with documentation and examples could I push it down the throats as some kind of learning board?
2015-12-03T02:13:15 < kakimir> :I such a waste of time
2015-12-03T02:14:05 < kakimir> oh thould there be some measurement points :o
2015-12-03T02:15:31 < dongs> why arent you using kikecad 4.0
2015-12-03T02:16:07 < dongs> localized software shouldnt fucking exist
2015-12-03T02:16:11 < dongs> learn english or fuck off
2015-12-03T02:16:56 < kakimir> I like mixed english and poorly translated finnish in one
2015-12-03T02:20:34 < kakimir> soon it doesn't even matter what buttons say because I master all the shortcuts
2015-12-03T02:21:57 < Getty> this more deep article about the china cloning is really reading like the script for a movie http://www.livemint.com/Politics/EERwkGIgOPEf9g27RLhh2N/China-clone-factory-scientist-eyes-human-replication.html
2015-12-03T02:22:16 < Getty> jurassic park is near......
2015-12-03T02:22:50 < Getty> '“We have decided to locate the facilities in China in case we enter the phase of applying the technology to human bodies,” he was quoted as saying.' - Someone saw Robocop ......
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2015-12-03T02:50:08 < Laurenceb> neckbeards can have a babby
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2015-12-03T02:54:46 < kakimir> chinese neckbeards everywhere in 2080
2015-12-03T02:56:56 < Sync> englishman: boiling in HF will just pull off the SiO
2015-12-03T02:57:22 < Sync> I'm currently using sulphuric to etch the epoxy and then nitric to etch the carbon off the die
2015-12-03T02:57:28 < Laurenceb> holy shit I lolld
2015-12-03T02:57:30 < Laurenceb> https://8ch.net/pol/src/1449087625162.png
2015-12-03T02:57:43 < Laurenceb> Sync: where do you buy your acids?
2015-12-03T02:57:52 < englishman> cool Sync got any pix?
2015-12-03T02:58:08 < englishman> and is it in a lab or home fume hood or just kitchen
2015-12-03T02:58:11 < Sync> Laurenceb: [classified information]
2015-12-03T02:58:17 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-12-03T02:58:31 < Laurenceb> acids are a bit of a pita to buy in UK  :-/
2015-12-03T02:58:37 < Sync> currently it is bathroom action englishman
2015-12-03T02:58:41 < Sync> yeah I know Laurenceb
2015-12-03T02:58:49 < Sync> I buy them off a mineralurgy store here
2015-12-03T02:58:58 < Sync> because that's an exempt business
2015-12-03T02:59:05 < Laurenceb> ah
2015-12-03T02:59:32 < Laurenceb> I could use some at Uni, but then I'd have to fill out risk assessment paperwork :P
2015-12-03T02:59:55 < dongs> they wouldnt let you handle acid anyway
2015-12-03T02:59:58 < dongs> youre too unstable
2015-12-03T03:00:22 < englishman> you should have sent the gd32s to sync
2015-12-03T03:01:13 < Laurenceb> lol I have a splosives license
2015-12-03T03:01:17 < Sync> http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/mcm6664_1.jpg englishman first chip I ever tried imaging
2015-12-03T03:01:17 < Laurenceb> try again
2015-12-03T03:01:30 < englishman> nice
2015-12-03T03:01:34 < Laurenceb> what is it?
2015-12-03T03:01:35 < englishman> microscope and slr?
2015-12-03T03:01:53 < Sync> yes
2015-12-03T03:02:00 < dongs> how much should I pay for a portable geiger counter?
2015-12-03T03:02:06 < Sync> Laurenceb: stoneage dram
2015-12-03T03:02:08 < dongs> japs have it w/paypal for like 75bux
2015-12-03T03:02:11 < Laurenceb> aha
2015-12-03T03:02:16 < Laurenceb> heh VCC on the die
2015-12-03T03:02:18 < Sync> dongs: depends on what you want/need
2015-12-03T03:03:08 < BrainDamage> do you need just counting? dosimeter? do you need to do spectroscopy? etc
2015-12-03T03:03:23 < BrainDamage> also calibration
2015-12-03T03:03:25 < dongs> http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B0070AYYGY lol
2015-12-03T03:03:33 < englishman> Sync: whats the zoom?
2015-12-03T03:03:35 < dongs> no just for lols
2015-12-03T03:04:11 < Sync> englishman: about 100x iirc
2015-12-03T03:04:22 < englishman> thx
2015-12-03T03:04:25 < Sync> or some shit
2015-12-03T03:04:30 < dongs> not bad
2015-12-03T03:05:01 < Sync> hugin is being a cunt tho when stitching flat images
2015-12-03T03:05:51 < dongs> lol, lunix tools
2015-12-03T03:06:41 < BrainDamage> i bet one day we'll discover dongs is a major contributor to the linux kernel
2015-12-03T03:07:51 < englishman> heh
2015-12-03T03:07:53 < englishman> http://www.ne.jp/asahi/linux/timecop/
2015-12-03T03:09:55 < Sync> dongs: it works™
2015-12-03T03:10:05 < dongs> i i bet
2015-12-03T03:11:11 < scummos> englishman: haha
2015-12-03T03:11:21 < scummos> " The last clock dockapp you'll ever need! Features sexy gradient background, antialiased clock hands, alpha-blended bubbles, and cool fish swimming around behind the clock. Displays current time with up-to-the-second accuracy, and today's date and day of the week. But wait, there is more! Move your mouse inside the screen, and the fish will get scared and run away! (Only if your Window Manager doesn't suck). Oh yeah, and it checks your mail, too! "
2015-12-03T03:11:22 < scummos> love it
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2015-12-03T03:36:58 < dongs> https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/5283
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2015-12-03T03:53:11 < mtbg> about that artificial eye:
2015-12-03T03:53:14 < mtbg> Beijing: The Chinese scientist behind the world’s biggest cloning factory has technology advanced enough to replicate humans, he told AFP, and is only holding off for fear of the public reaction.
2015-12-03T03:53:43 < mtbg> well, every woman has a capability to replicate humans
2015-12-03T03:54:09 < mtbg> but more seriously, this is quite a good news
2015-12-03T03:54:48 < mtbg> maybe we seriously are heading towards biological immortality as many would wish
2015-12-03T03:55:26 < mtbg> lately I've seen commercially available telomere extension promoting chemicals
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2015-12-03T03:56:22 < mtbg> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycloastragenol
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2015-12-03T05:24:44 < ReadError> dongs
2015-12-03T05:24:44 < ReadError> Meepsheep ‏@Meepsheepy  9h9 hours ago
2015-12-03T05:24:44 < ReadError> @freenodestaff I request kloeri contact me on http://irc.gnaa.eu  #GNAA within 24 hours or freenode will be shot down
2015-12-03T05:24:54 < ReadError> make em stap!
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2015-12-03T05:25:40 < dongs> ReadError: soime of those never aged above 13
2015-12-03T05:25:47 < dongs> despite being on irc for 20+ years
2015-12-03T05:25:56 < dongs> not much i can do
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2015-12-03T05:37:13 < dongs> nothing wrong wiht unions
2015-12-03T05:37:16 < dongs> when used correctly
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2015-12-03T05:47:52 < upgrdman> neat http://i.imgur.com/YtebWvJ.gifv
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2015-12-03T06:30:09 < Rob235> dongs: i know you will love to hate this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99345853/ws2812b_4.mp4 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99345853/ws2812b_5.mp4
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2015-12-03T06:33:48 < dongs> christ dude learn to jewtube
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2015-12-03T06:34:05 < Rob235> but then I gotta create an account...
2015-12-03T06:34:17 < Rob235> :)
2015-12-03T06:34:20 < dongs> how the fuck do you not have on already.
2015-12-03T06:34:39 < Rob235> yea I probably do, just never uploaded there
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2015-12-03T06:39:41 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/RYNTrhXSI5s
2015-12-03T06:39:44 < Rob235> that wasn't so hard :)
2015-12-03T06:41:50 < Rob235> gettin there
2015-12-03T06:44:32 < Rob235> its getting cold anyway, I have until march to finish :)
2015-12-03T06:45:33 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSky2ynGtqI
2015-12-03T06:46:19 < Rob235> using a 10 dof sensor (gyro/accel/mag/barometer), gps and an ultrasonic range sensor. using an stm32f4 discovery board
2015-12-03T06:53:44 < Rob235> I gotta learn i2c on stm32 tomorrow.  I've been procrastinating on this too long
2015-12-03T06:53:52 < GargantuaSauce> you are in for a treat
2015-12-03T06:54:47 < ReadError> Rob235 better go buy a bunch of drugs tonight
2015-12-03T06:54:53 < GargantuaSauce> for you i have a delightful tune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwLmJ3TR2-E
2015-12-03T06:54:57 < ReadError> so you have something when you hit the brickwall of rage
2015-12-03T06:54:59 < Rob235> i wrote almost all of the library for my sensor board in arduino before I switched to stm32 and didn't feel like porting it over so I've been working on everything but the i2c stuff.
2015-12-03T06:55:25 < Rob235> I did some research and it confused me and I gave up and decided to take a break :)
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2015-12-03T09:27:24 < Rob235> will a servo connector ( https://www.pc-control.co.uk/images/servo%20connector.jpg ) work with this ( https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/3/7/1/0/09750-01.jpg ) ?
2015-12-03T09:29:54 < jpa-> what is the pitch?
2015-12-03T09:30:20 < ReadError> Rob235 believe so
2015-12-03T09:30:29 < ReadError> is that like a 2s balance plug?
2015-12-03T09:30:31 < jpa-> those white connectors exist atleast with 2.0 mm and 2.54 mm pitch
2015-12-03T09:30:37 < ReadError> should use same 100mil pitch
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2015-12-03T09:31:07 < Rob235> its the wires coming from the ESCs
2015-12-03T09:31:22 < ReadError> yea those are 100mil
2015-12-03T09:32:00 < bloated> the sparkfun thing is keyed (won't matter in this case) and your connector may be too wide for it
2015-12-03T09:32:26 < Rob235> guess there is only one way to find out
2015-12-03T09:32:40 < bloated> why don't you use the normal pin header ?
2015-12-03T09:32:41 < celeron55> you can find the datasheet for both and just compare the actual dimensions listed htere
2015-12-03T09:32:44 < celeron55> there*
2015-12-03T09:32:50 < celeron55> no need to guess
2015-12-03T09:34:15 < bloated> what's wrong with these headers: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/116 ?
2015-12-03T09:35:51 < Rob235> oh I thought the spacing was different
2015-12-03T09:36:02 < Rob235> nevermind then
2015-12-03T09:37:27 < ReadError> i think they are actually 2.5mm
2015-12-03T09:37:33 < ReadError> but 2.54 works
2015-12-03T09:37:52 < PeterM> |if you're using like 8s 2.54 vs 2.5 matters
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2015-12-03T10:04:32 < PaulFertser> dongs: if it's an stm8, how do they measure from that pin? And why bother "laseroffing"?
2015-12-03T10:05:04 < PaulFertser> Sync: I'll do that after the shit tx breaks and I'll have to buy a devo :)
2015-12-03T10:16:01 < Amperture> <GargantuaSauce> you are in for a treat
2015-12-03T10:16:06 < Amperture> fffffff
2015-12-03T10:16:21 < Amperture> man I'm just converting most of my stuff over from MSP430
2015-12-03T10:16:32 < Amperture> "stuff" being knowledge
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2015-12-03T10:43:29 < PaulFertser> Amperture: so, how do you like it so far?
2015-12-03T10:43:35 < PaulFertser> Compared to msp430.
2015-12-03T10:44:08 < Amperture> MSP430 is so much easier, at least the libs for the G2553 chip.
2015-12-03T10:44:22 < Amperture> Well
2015-12-03T10:44:28 < Amperture> Maybe easier isn't the right term
2015-12-03T10:44:50 < Amperture> I'm just used to how msp430.h just amounts to a whole bunch of defines for every register possible
2015-12-03T10:45:00 < Amperture> So you literally just go
2015-12-03T10:45:33 < Amperture> USCI0MODESELECT = UC_SPI_MODE;
2015-12-03T10:45:42 < Amperture> Keep in mind, not actual register defines.
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2015-12-03T10:46:04 < Amperture> I'm using StdPeriph on my stm32 (thinking about trying libopencm3)
2015-12-03T10:46:38 < Amperture> and wrapping my head around the idea of creating an instance of this huge struct in memory, then feeding it to an init function
2015-12-03T10:46:55 < Amperture> I'm sure it's fine, but it feels weird and inefficient to me.
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2015-12-03T10:57:38 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ZEl7TA7x0
2015-12-03T10:58:01 < PaulFertser> Amperture: I think many people agree that stdperiph design is awful.
2015-12-03T10:58:32 < PaulFertser> Amperture: do not forget to call the corresponding initstruct function.
2015-12-03T10:59:14 < Amperture> Having to call like 3 init functions with three different structs, just to do a simple PWM.
2015-12-03T11:02:09 < PaulFertser> The peripherals are more complex, so you just have to pay the price for this flexibility. But stdperiph designers certainly got it wrong.
2015-12-03T11:03:18 < Amperture> any experience with libopencm3?
2015-12-03T11:05:24 < PaulFertser> I liked it way more.
2015-12-03T11:23:45 < dongs> he linked it cuz it came with a makefile
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2015-12-03T11:41:43 < jpa-> Amperture: for most peripherals you can just use the registers directly and it is easier than through stdperiph
2015-12-03T11:41:54 < Amperture> like using CMSIS?
2015-12-03T11:42:17 < jpa-> CMSIS is just a meaningless marketing term, but the register defs are in stm32f1xx.h
2015-12-03T11:42:36 < Amperture> or in my case, [...]f4xx.h
2015-12-03T11:42:47 < jpa-> like GPIOA->BSRR = 1<<6;  to set GPIOA6
2015-12-03T11:42:48 < jpa-> yeah
2015-12-03T11:44:21 < rewolff> I have a board that fits 22 different MCU's, From F0, to F4. With "libopencm3" I had to have many different code-paths and IFDEFS to be able to handle the differenc MCUs on the same board. IMHO that is acceptable if you want the most out of the specific peripherals, but not if you're just blinking a led.
2015-12-03T11:44:30 < Amperture> https://github.com/mbedmicro/mbed/blob/master/libraries/mbed/targets/cmsis/TARGET_STM/TARGET_STM32F4/TARGET_NUCLEO_F401RE/stm32f401xe.h
2015-12-03T11:45:00 < Amperture> Granted that I'm using the F401RE Nucleo atm
2015-12-03T11:45:24 < jpa-> rewolff: yeah, if you want a HAL then libopencm3 is not very good; chibios has a decent HAL
2015-12-03T11:45:43 < rewolff> ... I switched to chibios.
2015-12-03T11:46:06 < Amperture> I still haven't gotten into RTOS stuff, that seems to be common among what recruiters want
2015-12-03T11:46:25 < jpa-> but in many cases one just wants to use a single mcu for a given project and the code will not be portable anyway
2015-12-03T11:46:44 < rewolff> Still not good enough for my taste: Things like "SPIConfig" struct gains/loses an item if you switch CPUs.
2015-12-03T11:47:55 < dongs> < rewolff> I have a board that fits 22 different MCU's, From F0, to F4.
2015-12-03T11:47:58 < dongs>  w h y
2015-12-03T11:48:10 < dongs> other than mental masturbation I cannot possibly think of a reason
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2015-12-03T11:51:15 < rewolff> ST now has a similar board. They call it nucleo.
2015-12-03T11:52:10 < rewolff> You get one board that fits the appropriate CPU where you can breadboard/test your app while the real board is being manufactured. Or you can wait with that.
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2015-12-03T11:57:28 < Amperture> Being frank, I thought ST's implementation of Nucleo to be batshit crazy.
2015-12-03T11:57:53 < dongs> wat
2015-12-03T11:57:58 < Amperture> They have the gall to put Arduino headers on it, so as a weird, possibly vain attempt to attract the hobbyists.
2015-12-03T11:58:03 < dongs> i thought nucleos purpose was to do some tarduino-ish shit
2015-12-03T11:58:21 < Amperture> but then have to put out like 20 SKU's
2015-12-03T11:58:31 < Amperture> with the only difference being the chip on board
2015-12-03T11:59:16 < Amperture> the tarduino users at that point will go immediately back to a "simpler" platform
2015-12-03T12:00:29 < Amperture> Except for the Arduino headers, I actually really do like the concept of the Nucleo. A proper bare-bones board that may as well just be a GPIO breakout with a JTAG probe pre-attached.
2015-12-03T12:00:48 < Amperture> That's my ideal design for any devboard really
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2015-12-03T12:04:32 < karlp> rewolff: I'm trying to get a few changes in to make it easier to run the same code on multiple boards now, but yeah, it's not great in libopencm3 to run the same api on all boards.
2015-12-03T12:04:42 < karlp> gpios being the first and biggest stumbling block
2015-12-03T12:07:55 < rewolff> For both opencm3 and chibios: The basic: make a pin an output, set/clear/toggle it should be the same.
2015-12-03T12:08:32 < rewolff> The library/hal whatever you call  it should default all the "fancy" stuff like "ospeed_highest".
2015-12-03T12:09:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/JjhnmBN.gifv
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2015-12-03T15:22:21 < c10ud^> I wonder which IC all those HDMI-to-CVBS use
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2015-12-03T15:25:56 < c10ud^> oh, CH7107B most probably
2015-12-03T15:26:23 < dongs> there's a few choices
2015-12-03T15:28:59 < c10ud^> really? I only find those miniboxes from china
2015-12-03T15:33:54 < ReadError> AD probably has something
2015-12-03T15:39:18 < c10ud^> looks like it's only A->D or D->D
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2015-12-03T16:30:47 < zygron_> i need a super cheap quad op amp with same pinout as LM324 but rail to rail, doesn't need to be high bandwidth, before i start digging through digikey does any reference comes to mind?
2015-12-03T16:39:08 < jpa-> LMV324-N?
2015-12-03T16:39:40 < jpa-> well, LMV324 in general actually
2015-12-03T16:41:23 < zygron_> jpa: i had seen the -N model but it was still expensive, the other versions seems to be more reasonnably priced, thanks!
2015-12-03T16:44:07 < bloated> N is lead free ?
2015-12-03T16:44:58 < jpa-> TI part numbers are so that it is impossible to know what -N means
2015-12-03T16:45:29 < zygron_> LMV324IDT from ST is lead free and relatively cheap
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2015-12-03T17:21:36 < dongs> time to get stoned
2015-12-03T17:23:00 < mtbg> 16:20 here
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2015-12-03T18:13:21 < upgrdman_> so the 78xx and 1117 are the classic choices for LDOs. but is there a better choice in the same price range? like lower drop out. im tempted to run an 18650 to a 3v3 LDO but that doesn't leave much headroom.
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2015-12-03T18:25:23 < upgrdman_> LDO with a quiescent current of up to 80mA? wtf stm.  http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/389/CD00003403-310816.pdf
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2015-12-03T18:36:54 < jpa-> luls
2015-12-03T18:37:50 < jpa-> it still says "low ground current" :)
2015-12-03T18:38:43 < scummos> it seems like for each device there is just a list of default sentences you put in your features section
2015-12-03T18:39:12 < scummos> like all opamps and transistors say "low noise" even if they're clearly not
2015-12-03T18:42:27 < pid> ;DD
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2015-12-03T18:47:42 < zyp> all numbers are low compared to a higher number
2015-12-03T18:52:16 < GargantuaSauce> i think in this day and age you'd have to be pretty crazy to use a linear regulator on a battery powered device
2015-12-03T18:53:05 < zyp> even if you're drawing microamps most of the time?
2015-12-03T18:54:10 < GargantuaSauce> good point
2015-12-03T18:54:45 < scummos> are there linear regulators with microamps quiescent current?
2015-12-03T18:57:22 < karlp> sure,
2015-12-03T18:57:29 < artag> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=1015106&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D1015106
2015-12-03T18:57:30 < karlp> mcp1803 iirc and 1804
2015-12-03T19:01:20 < upgrdman_> GargantuaSauce, reason why i was tempted to go linear is because the efficiency would actually be better than most switchers in this application. 3.6V nominal to 3.3V ... 91% efficiency
2015-12-03T19:03:48 < GargantuaSauce> right....well a fancy mosfet one like karl mentioned would be the way to go
2015-12-03T19:04:41 < karlp> hrm, can't be that part number, one tick.
2015-12-03T19:05:30 < upgrdman_> i should add that i need like 350+ mA
2015-12-03T19:05:37 < upgrdman_> and 500mA would be nice
2015-12-03T19:07:53 < upgrdman_> this might work http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/389/CD00150601-310820.pdf
2015-12-03T19:07:54 < karlp> wghat, you want high current too? ;)
2015-12-03T19:08:02 < upgrdman_> :)
2015-12-03T19:08:08 < karlp> mcp1703 sorry, but yeah, only 250ma
2015-12-03T19:08:09 < GargantuaSauce> and a pony
2015-12-03T19:08:17 < karlp> 2uA quiescent though
2015-12-03T19:08:31 < upgrdman_> making an internet of shits dev board. f4 + spi lcd + esp8266 + hc05 + cc2500 + 8 mosfets.
2015-12-03T19:08:42 < karlp> wat
2015-12-03T19:08:54 < karlp> hc05+cc2500+esp8266?!
2015-12-03T19:09:02 < upgrdman_> sort of a "i can connect to anything and drive anything" board
2015-12-03T19:09:05 < upgrdman_> ya i know. lol
2015-12-03T19:09:20 < GargantuaSauce> no nordic support. back to the drawing board
2015-12-03T19:10:05 < karlp> "ittybitty" (r) http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?product=MIC5235 godo job microchunk
2015-12-03T19:10:47 < GargantuaSauce> that is a really fancy regulator upgrdman_. i bet it's like 5 bucks
2015-12-03T19:11:02 < upgrdman_> $1.62 for qty1
2015-12-03T19:11:10 < upgrdman_> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/LD39150DT33-R/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsGz1a6aV8DcAUl5hJ612j8V03nIGzKueA%3d
2015-12-03T19:11:12 < GargantuaSauce> dayum
2015-12-03T19:11:32 < upgrdman_> 40mV dropout at 300mA too
2015-12-03T19:14:04 < upgrdman_> max Vin is 6V, but that's fine for my app
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2015-12-03T19:18:13 < GargantuaSauce> CI = 1 μF must be located at a distance of not more than 0.5’’ from input pin.
2015-12-03T19:18:24 < GargantuaSauce> interesting that they always specify this in terms of distance and not inductance
2015-12-03T19:18:28 < karlp> upgrdman_: that's 1mA queiescent in run mode though
2015-12-03T19:19:22 < upgrdman_> ya :/ but anything better that can do 500ish mA ?
2015-12-03T19:19:30 < upgrdman_> are not be like $20 for qty1
2015-12-03T19:19:32 < upgrdman_> and*
2015-12-03T19:20:02 < GargantuaSauce> you might want to consider a separate regulator for each radio
2015-12-03T19:20:30 < upgrdman_> hmm ya
2015-12-03T19:22:12 < upgrdman_> 1703 has very high drop out at the higher currents though
2015-12-03T19:22:24 < upgrdman_> it might not be able to work for the esp8266 shits
2015-12-03T19:22:52 < upgrdman_> .6V drop out ... and i dont even have that much headroom when fully charged
2015-12-03T19:24:05 < karlp> upgrdman_: there's 1700 and 1702 and 1804 that are all low Iq, with different properites on drop out and max Vin stuff
2015-12-03T19:24:19 < upgrdman_> hmm ok
2015-12-03T19:24:25 < karlp> microchip has a bunch of nice ldos, have a look over their charts http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?product=MIC5235
2015-12-03T19:24:31 < karlp> not that url, stupid link shti
2015-12-03T19:24:34 < karlp> http://www.microchip.com/ParamChartSearch/chart.aspx?branchID=9004&mid=10&lang=en#
2015-12-03T19:24:47 < karlp> only problem is they sort alphabetically, not numerically, dipshits
2015-12-03T19:28:27 < upgrdman_> hmm seems the stm has those all beat on dropout, and mc has stm beat by far in quiescent current
2015-12-03T19:28:55 < artag> shocker : engineering is a compromise
2015-12-03T19:29:03 < upgrdman_> i guess for this app 1mA quiescent is fine. if im doing 100+mA, that <1% waste
2015-12-03T19:31:36 < upgrdman_> now i need to see about charging that 18650. tempted to be super lazy and do USB connector -> resistor -> zener across 18650 :)
2015-12-03T19:33:05 < GargantuaSauce> might want a fire extinguisher too
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2015-12-03T19:45:26 < bloated> there's a reason why every vendor has a lithium ion protection IC in their lineup
2015-12-03T19:45:40 < bloated> and its not because li-ions can be charged with a zener diode.
2015-12-03T19:50:24 < jpa-> upgrdman_: why not just MCP73832?
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2015-12-03T19:53:13 < upgrdman_> hmm ya that would be about the same price as a zener and resistor.
2015-12-03T19:53:28 < upgrdman_> ok, i guess i could do it the proper wya
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2015-12-03T20:52:35 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/Tmc78Ep.jpg
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2015-12-03T20:55:44 < Steffanx> lol Laurenceb.
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2015-12-03T23:17:10 < upgrdman> found R2COM  http://imgur.com/eZA1LpV
2015-12-03T23:23:06 < karlp> found not r2com? http://i.giphy.com/xTk9ZMvytLICEWw9bi.gif
2015-12-03T23:25:09 < upgrdman> http://damn.com/lottery-winner-gold-plated-tests/?utm_source=damn&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=lottery-winnerdamn&utm_rcreplace_3430=6994
2015-12-03T23:25:28 < kakimir> is he going to win the election?
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2015-12-03T23:32:13 < karlp> upgrdman_: http://www.snopes.com/lottery-winner-dies-gold-plating/
2015-12-03T23:32:17 < karlp> nice story though
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2015-12-03T23:44:44 < upgrdman_> bummer
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2015-12-03T23:52:17 < gxti> it's not too late to sacrifice your own gonads, upgrdman_. plus you can get not only into snopes but also the darwin awards!
2015-12-03T23:52:53 < upgrdman_> it is tempting
2015-12-03T23:53:34 < upgrdman_> anyone here have a surface pro 4? ms says it can drive at least two 4K monitors. but they don't say at what Hz.
2015-12-03T23:58:54 < kakimir> ux305ca
2015-12-03T23:59:38 < kakimir> does surface pro 4 have good display connections?
2015-12-03T23:59:49 < kakimir> this shiet has just one mini-hdmi
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2015-12-04T00:00:42 < upgrdman_> pro4 has one mini-dp built in, and two mini-dp in the docking station
2015-12-04T00:02:11 < kakimir> can I get 2 monitors out of one mini-hdmi?
2015-12-04T00:02:21 < upgrdman_> dont think so, but not sure.
2015-12-04T00:03:25 < kakimir> at least there is some hdmi dividers but does it 2 physical display or just one divided
2015-12-04T00:06:04 < upgrdman_> god damn it.
2015-12-04T00:06:11 < upgrdman_> im in a live chat with some ms rep
2015-12-04T00:06:13 < upgrdman_> "In a single external display mode over DisplayPort, the i5 and i7-based models also support a resolution of 3840×2160 at 30 Hz, known as 4K Ultra HD"
2015-12-04T00:06:21 < upgrdman_> so it's 30Hz trash :/
2015-12-04T00:06:31 < Sync> yeah
2015-12-04T00:07:15 < upgrdman_> shit so i will have a built a pc if i want dual 4k60
2015-12-04T00:07:44 < upgrdman_> well now i need to study up on that. fuck i havn't been following cpu or gpu tech in years.
2015-12-04T00:10:25 < Sync> hmmm
2015-12-04T00:10:29 < karlp> https://pcpartpicker.com/ ?
2015-12-04T00:11:00 < Sync> I wonder where to source gpixel shits
2015-12-04T00:12:45 < Sync> especially the gsense400 sensor 0o
2015-12-04T00:12:49 < Sync> I find nobody that sells it
2015-12-04T00:30:07 < Rob235> I'm trying to read sbus data (using an inverter) and the signal looks correct with the logic analyzer but USART_ReceiveData(USART1); doesn't produce the right values, any idea what can cause this?
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2015-12-04T00:37:47 < upgrdman_> are your readings the complement of what you expect? e.g. expect 1010, but read 0101 ?
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2015-12-04T00:45:36 < Getty> Ok Mad Max is for sure worth its hype.... i dont know what is going on but DAMN it looks crazy awesome
2015-12-04T00:47:51 < karlp> the movie? yeah, totally awesome
2015-12-04T00:48:36 < Getty> so far i am not understanding why it only has a 8.2 on IMDB
2015-12-04T00:48:49 < Getty> but i am just 20-30 minutes in
2015-12-04T00:48:55 < Getty> holy shit!
2015-12-04T00:52:10 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zZDBoZTerg musics time now
2015-12-04T00:53:07 < zygron_> Getty: really?
2015-12-04T00:53:14 < zygron_> gah wrong nick
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2015-12-04T00:53:44 < mitrax> i was sick of all the hype around it so i didn't watch it
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2015-12-04T00:54:02 < Getty> yeah i was the same, so i didnt cared about it, but it was now 4 EUR on amazon so i bought it
2015-12-04T00:54:05 < Getty> and its totally worth it
2015-12-04T00:54:21 < Getty> i like especially that this is the classic movie style
2015-12-04T00:54:25 < Getty> but with the power of today
2015-12-04T00:54:27 < Getty> its really impressive
2015-12-04T00:54:40 < Getty> you know those movies which just go with their theme instead of trying to explain it to you over and over again
2015-12-04T00:55:04 < Getty> i am just wondering that noone died while filming this ;)
2015-12-04T00:55:06 < mitrax> i guess some people took it too seriously
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2015-12-04T00:56:07 < mitrax> there were complaints that there were loads of retarded stuff like a truck with giant speakers and a band playing hardcore music during the chases
2015-12-04T00:56:14 < Laurenceb> http://chronicle.su/about/
2015-12-04T00:56:28 < Getty> mitrax: yeah that is totally happening, and its just totally awesome
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2015-12-04T00:56:55 < mitrax> and that it wasn't consistent with the plot (limited resources and shit)... but maybe the movie shouldn't be taken seriously
2015-12-04T00:57:04 < Getty> mitrax: they integrated that perfectly, you have to see it, will be worth it
2015-12-04T00:57:16  * mitrax fires up the download
2015-12-04T01:00:33 < Getty> yeah its so much like the old classical scifi and action movies, really brilliant
2015-12-04T01:01:00 < mitrax> so no CGI overload?
2015-12-04T01:01:05 < mitrax> or well good one that goes unnoticed
2015-12-04T01:01:25 < Getty> totally good one, i think its much more CGI as i think it is
2015-12-04T01:02:19 < mitrax> i'm really sick of how totally unrealistic most blockblusters look nowadays cause of CGI
2015-12-04T01:02:29 < Getty> well i also enjoyed age of ultron
2015-12-04T01:02:32 < mitrax> it's not the CGI per see, but physics wise it's all wrong
2015-12-04T01:02:48 < mitrax> copters flying like space ships
2015-12-04T01:03:13 < Getty> i am REALLY enjoying the removed arm CGI
2015-12-04T01:03:51 < mitrax> didn't see age of ultron
2015-12-04T01:03:55 < Getty> she got no hand/half arm in the movie and they didnt made some half ass trick to hide it, they just shuffled cgi at every moment you see it, its not noticeable if you dont seek for it
2015-12-04T01:03:56 < Laurenceb> http://chronicle.su/2014/08/17/snowden-unveils-nsa-god-mode-malware-that-lives-on-your-motherboard-and-can-not-be-traced/
2015-12-04T01:04:02 < Getty> on mad max now
2015-12-04T01:04:34 < Getty> Laurenceb: after reading the title via the url i was already done wanting to read the rest ;)
2015-12-04T01:05:50 < Getty> mitrax: age of ultron made sense storywise... that was the most shocking thing ;)
2015-12-04T01:06:11 < Getty> mitrax: and it is just so fucking packed with awesome action and awesome jokes.... in my eyes best marvel movie so far
2015-12-04T01:13:26 < mitrax> ok, i saw antman, it was watchable
2015-12-04T01:13:42 < Getty> i..... dont really wanna watch it ;) should i? ;)
2015-12-04T01:13:56 < mitrax> it's certainly not great
2015-12-04T01:14:32 < mitrax> slightly entertaining, and the cgi "rejuvenation" of michael douglas at the begining of the movie is super impressive
2015-12-04T01:16:02 < Getty> what is THAT for an awesome soundtrack
2015-12-04T01:16:08 < Getty> seriously, yeah, you MUST watch Mad Max
2015-12-04T01:16:27 < mitrax> Laurenceb: it annoys me how journalist always distord reality...
2015-12-04T01:16:58 < Getty> mitrax: in the journalism world IT is a magic fairy land...... with pixies and magic dust!
2015-12-04T01:17:53 < mitrax> the malware the article refers to only runs on PowerEdge servers and requires flashing of the motherboard bios through a specific piece of hardware (and hence physical access to the box)
2015-12-04T01:17:54 < Laurenceb> mitrax: read the about page on that siter
2015-12-04T01:18:32 < mitrax> oops
2015-12-04T01:19:53 < mitrax> didn't pay attention to the first link :)
2015-12-04T01:20:18 < Rob235> upgrdman_: if you are still here, yea I'm sure its not just inverted
2015-12-04T01:21:50 < Getty> Isn't mad max like the result what would happen if trump wins?....... <couldntresist>
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2015-12-04T01:24:41 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Adventures_of_Hitler
2015-12-04T01:24:54 < Laurenceb>  "highly controversial" I lolld
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2015-12-04T01:26:12 < Rob235> it appears my usart receiveData misses one of the first 4 bits.  could that be caused by baudrate issues?
2015-12-04T01:26:20 < Rob235> one bit per byte
2015-12-04T01:26:26 < Rob235> is just missing
2015-12-04T01:32:39 < Getty> mitrax: the more i watch it, the more i dont understand how someone can critic that
2015-12-04T01:33:29 < mitrax> Getty: it's not done downloading yet... i'll watch it tomorrow, you'll probably hear from me if i hate it :D
2015-12-04T01:35:27 < Getty> mitrax: yeah, i doubt! ;)
2015-12-04T01:35:42 < Getty> i always think now comes the stuff that fucks it up, but it just goes better and better with every scene
2015-12-04T01:38:05 < Getty> but i can really imagine an awesome multiplayer game out of this scenario
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2015-12-04T01:46:53 < GargantuaSauce> fury road is basically borderlands 2 with less space
2015-12-04T01:48:09 < karlp> Getty: the game is meant to be pretty good, yes.
2015-12-04T01:48:53 < Getty> but its single player ;)
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2015-12-04T01:55:26 < Getty> grandma bonus round!!! LOL! brilliant :)
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2015-12-04T02:13:24 < Rob235> blah
2015-12-04T02:17:55 < scummos> yeah even the fury road film reminded me of borderlands 2
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2015-12-04T02:20:16 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-12-04T02:22:00 < Rob235> fuck dongs
2015-12-04T02:32:56 < Rob235> dongs, why would my sbus usart be missing a bit per byte, ie: instead of AC I get 4C
2015-12-04T02:33:28 < dongs> are you at 100kbaud?
2015-12-04T02:33:32 < Rob235> yea
2015-12-04T02:33:35 < dongs> using DMA or IRQ?
2015-12-04T02:33:39 < Rob235> irq
2015-12-04T02:33:44 < dongs> maybe why?
2015-12-04T02:33:52 < dongs> o wait, bit
2015-12-04T02:33:55 < dongs> who knows then
2015-12-04T02:33:57 < GargantuaSauce> parity or word size set wrong?
2015-12-04T02:34:00 < dongs> ^
2015-12-04T02:34:07 < dongs> does it always miss or wat?
2015-12-04T02:34:15 < Rob235> nope they are right, parity even, wordsize 8 and 2 stop bits
2015-12-04T02:34:18 < Rob235> always
2015-12-04T02:34:25 < Rob235> every byte is off by one missing bit
2015-12-04T02:34:38 < Rob235> it might always be the same bit, not sure, i just know its always one of the first 4
2015-12-04T02:34:39 < dongs>     if (mode & MODE_SBUS) {
2015-12-04T02:34:39 < dongs>         USART_InitStructure.USART_StopBits = USART_StopBits_2;
2015-12-04T02:34:39 < dongs>         USART_InitStructure.USART_Parity = USART_Parity_Even;
2015-12-04T02:34:52 < dongs> ^ did you do that
2015-12-04T02:34:56 < Rob235> yea
2015-12-04T02:35:05 < dongs> r u s u r e
2015-12-04T02:36:05 < Rob235> http://pastebin.com/jHnimEN4
2015-12-04T02:37:18 < GargantuaSauce> and you're sure the problem isnt on the tx side?
2015-12-04T02:38:37 < Rob235> I'm using a logic anaylzer with async serial analyzer and it gets 0x0F as the first bit and 0xAC as the second.  I get 0x0F as the first which makes sense because it doesn't matter if one bit is gone from the first 4 but then AC isn't what I get, I get 4C
2015-12-04T02:38:44 < Rob235> byte*
2015-12-04T02:39:31 < Rob235> oh wait
2015-12-04T02:39:48 < Rob235> AC and 4C isn't just a one bit difference
2015-12-04T02:41:37 < Rob235> I just checked it, I got: 0x0F, 0x0C, 0x68  when I should be getting: 0x0F, 0xAC, 0xE8
2015-12-04T02:43:29 < GargantuaSauce> weird that the second nybble is correct
2015-12-04T02:43:45 < Rob235> yea
2015-12-04T02:45:14 < kakimir> yo bubba
2015-12-04T02:45:57 < GargantuaSauce> sbus is weird
2015-12-04T02:46:42 < englishman> sbus is mega gay
2015-12-04T02:46:44 < englishman> watchu doin
2015-12-04T02:46:51 < englishman> oh its rob
2015-12-04T02:46:54 < Rob235> yup
2015-12-04T02:47:24 < Rob235> i dont know what to even try, maybe I should just remake this using dma and see if I fix the problem without realizing it :)
2015-12-04T02:48:02 < GargantuaSauce> are you inverting the input in hardware
2015-12-04T02:48:23 < Rob235> It's hooked up to an sbus inverter
2015-12-04T02:48:52 < kakimir> is there any good bluetooth mouses in 2015?
2015-12-04T02:49:08 < GargantuaSauce> is this relying on the internal pullup or does it drive high
2015-12-04T02:49:36 < kakimir> or is bluetooth actually excluding good out of our set of mouses?
2015-12-04T02:50:11 < Rob235> I have it set to pull up in the gpio init structure.  I don't fully understand pulling up/down though so I dont know
2015-12-04T02:50:30 < GargantuaSauce> what is the sbus inverter
2015-12-04T02:51:26 < Rob235> http://www.ebay.com/itm/161850214820?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
2015-12-04T02:51:47 < dongs> sbus inverter is just 2 nfets
2015-12-04T02:52:15 < dongs> or one fet even
2015-12-04T02:52:22 < dongs> http://abusemark.com/store/images/frskyadp.jpg
2015-12-04T02:52:31 < kakimir> oh ass bus
2015-12-04T02:53:14 < kakimir> hey could you fit mcu nowdays in sot23
2015-12-04T02:53:18 < kakimir> just wondering
2015-12-04T02:53:23 < dongs> yes and they exist
2015-12-04T02:53:30 < GargantuaSauce> i have some shitty pic in that size kicking around somewhere
2015-12-04T02:53:32 < kakimir> that is cool
2015-12-04T02:54:02 < dongs> I think attiny shit in SOT23-5 exists
2015-12-04T02:54:31 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATTINY10-TSHR/ATTINY10-TSHRCT-ND/2136158
2015-12-04T02:54:34 < dongs> or -6
2015-12-04T02:55:04 < dongs> i should do some anti-cloning stuff on that kinda chip
2015-12-04T02:55:08 < kakimir> how about.. that thing like sot23-6 but smaller like.. little fukin bug
2015-12-04T02:55:17 < dongs> sc70?
2015-12-04T02:55:24 < kakimir> that one
2015-12-04T02:56:26 < dongs> 8DFN version is 2x2mm
2015-12-04T02:56:36 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATTINY10-MAHR/ATTINY10-MAHRCT-ND/2774321\
2015-12-04T02:56:55 < kakimir> http://microcontroller.com/news/Atmel_smallest.asp
2015-12-04T02:57:06 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-04T02:57:39 < dongs> worlds smallest and useless
2015-12-04T02:57:57 < kakimir> I think we need sot23-3 mcu
2015-12-04T02:58:08 < kakimir> one wire bitbanging
2015-12-04T02:58:31 < kakimir> completelly useless
2015-12-04T02:58:48 < dongs> http://www.nxp.com/news/press-releases/2010/04/nxp-shows-world-s-smallest-32-bit-arm-microcontroller.html
2015-12-04T02:59:08 < dongs> too big
2015-12-04T03:01:17 < kakimir> that looks gutt
2015-12-04T03:01:23 < kakimir> also my favorite brand
2015-12-04T03:02:42 < GargantuaSauce> i dont think you're supposed to use the internal pullup on pins with 5v applied
2015-12-04T03:03:32 < GargantuaSauce> Rob235 disable it
2015-12-04T03:03:57 < Rob235> hmm ok one sec, do I need to add my own resistor or just leave it nopull
2015-12-04T03:04:18 < GargantuaSauce> on that inverter there is a 5V pullup resistor on the fet's drain
2015-12-04T03:04:40 < kakimir> found my mouse - logitech mx master
2015-12-04T03:04:50 < Rob235> gotta restart bootcamp
2015-12-04T03:05:08 < kakimir> supports propiertary logitech crap connection or bluetooth 4.0 or so
2015-12-04T03:05:20 < kakimir> so even that is all good
2015-12-04T03:06:55 < upgrdman_> tempted to build a pc. need to find some reviews on video cards, cpus and mobos. are there any review sites out there that do legit review? so much emotional bullshit i see in reviews... brand loyality, pretty box, etc.
2015-12-04T03:06:58 < kakimir> also lipo so not that nimh crap that worked suprisingly well
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2015-12-04T03:07:27 < kakimir> upgrdman_: get out of those gay sites
2015-12-04T03:07:39 < upgrdman_> exactly. where are the no homo sites
2015-12-04T03:08:16 < kakimir> you buy skylake and cheapest mobo that has all features you lust after
2015-12-04T03:08:37 < kakimir> then you buy passive psu that is aroun 400-500w
2015-12-04T03:08:39 < upgrdman_> i lust after three 4K displays, at 60Hz
2015-12-04T03:08:57 < kakimir> what is left yof your power budget you invest in latest midrange nvidia
2015-12-04T03:09:32 < kakimir> you throw proper cooling solution to those if you need to but latest gpus do not even start fans on desktop use
2015-12-04T03:09:45 < kakimir> or skylake with 4W idle
2015-12-04T03:10:56 < kakimir> throw it all in old box from last decade
2015-12-04T03:11:21 < kakimir> just get some usb3 panel from ebay to front
2015-12-04T03:12:41 < Rob235> GargantuaSauce: no change
2015-12-04T03:14:31 < kakimir> the thing is that you want to keep it cool and silent like it was 2015 so you buy skylake and nvidia and passive psu
2015-12-04T03:15:21 < GargantuaSauce> maybe it's a synchronization thing....could the microcontroller's oscillator be off significantly or something?
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2015-12-04T03:15:45 < kakimir> and about ram - inexpensives and lifetime warranity basic shit that supports full speed of you cpu-mobo combo
2015-12-04T03:15:47 < GargantuaSauce> maybe make it output some test patterns on that uart and crank up you LA's sample rate to look at the timing
2015-12-04T03:16:24 < GargantuaSauce> or use a scope if you have one
2015-12-04T03:17:04 < kakimir> upgrdman_: what is actually hard about that? I think now it's easier than ever to build a pc
2015-12-04T03:17:29 < GargantuaSauce> he got appled
2015-12-04T03:17:58 < kakimir> oh.. he's totally out
2015-12-04T03:18:03 < upgrdman_> it EASY AS FUCK to build a pc
2015-12-04T03:18:11 < upgrdman_> but theres tons of overpriced shit out there too
2015-12-04T03:18:24 < dongs> upgrdman_: AMD W4100
2015-12-04T03:18:34 < upgrdman_> so like, picking a good value/performance cpu, mobo, ram, video card, etc. can be a bitch
2015-12-04T03:19:32 < kakimir> you don't touch anything AMD and you are good
2015-12-04T03:19:52 < dongs> upgrdman_: latest i7-k kikelake, 32gb ram ( cheapest you can find, its all same shite ), stock cpu cooler, asus board, done.
2015-12-04T03:20:04 < kakimir> there
2015-12-04T03:20:15 < dongs> dont overclock and be a retard
2015-12-04T03:20:19 < dongs> and everything will work
2015-12-04T03:20:24 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-04T03:20:28 < upgrdman_> lol http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/workstation/firepro-3d/9100
2015-12-04T03:20:39 < kakimir> no overclokcing desperate trys
2015-12-04T03:20:54 < dongs> upgrdman_: latest nv might have 3 displayports i dunno. havent kept track.
2015-12-04T03:20:57 < dongs> you can always go for K1200
2015-12-04T03:21:06 < kakimir> and overclocking components because there you lose that price part of it
2015-12-04T03:21:08 < dongs> but if your dispalys are MST then 2 max
2015-12-04T03:21:43 < upgrdman_> mst = ?
2015-12-04T03:21:53 < dongs> tile based shit like the 1st gen dell 4k
2015-12-04T03:22:06 < dongs> 2 1920x2160 tiles on a displayport hub
2015-12-04T03:22:15 < upgrdman_> ah
2015-12-04T03:22:21 < dongs> that takes up 2 "monitors" on nvidia
2015-12-04T03:23:14 < upgrdman_> is 6ms slow? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260145
2015-12-04T03:23:19 < dongs> http://we.easyelectronics.ru/uploads/images/00/08/83/2014/12/30/37d9e6.jpg lol
2015-12-04T03:23:30 < upgrdman_> one of my gamer fag bros just bought some 1ms monitor
2015-12-04T03:23:41 < dongs> thats teh tile one
2015-12-04T03:23:43 < dongs> got 3 of them
2015-12-04T03:24:38 < dongs> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP3KN8993 this one is not
2015-12-04T03:24:43 < dongs> but blueish backlight
2015-12-04T03:25:02 < dongs> have they not released anything newer
2015-12-04T03:25:21 < GargantuaSauce> whats with the contrast ratio
2015-12-04T03:25:22 < GargantuaSauce> DC 2,000,000:1 (1000:1)
2015-12-04T03:25:30 < dongs> typical bullshit
2015-12-04T03:25:48 < GargantuaSauce> big number (small number)
2015-12-04T03:26:26 < kakimir> http://www.msi.com/product/graphics-card/GTX-950-GAMING-2G.html#hero-overview most inexpensive nvidia 900-series that has 3x DP
2015-12-04T03:26:35 < GargantuaSauce> maybe you should pay them $500 ($0.50) for it
2015-12-04T03:26:48 < dongs> looks like UP2414Q is discontinued
2015-12-04T03:27:37 < upgrdman_> i never see details specs for those video card ports. great, they have 3 or 4 mini dp ports... but how can they drive them? can they all be 4k60, or is there like a max total dixels/sec the card can do?
2015-12-04T03:28:10 < dongs> lol @ overclock mode
2015-12-04T03:28:33 < dongs> upgrdman_: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-950/specifications
2015-12-04T03:28:45 < dongs> multimonitor: 4 displays
2015-12-04T03:28:48 < dongs> so 2with tiles.
2015-12-04T03:29:28 < upgrdman_> ya but at what Hz?
2015-12-04T03:29:34 < dongs> 60 of course
2015-12-04T03:29:34 < kakimir> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2781122/gtx-950-dual-60hz.html
2015-12-04T03:29:41 < dongs> thats not a question at  this point
2015-12-04T03:29:46 < dongs> 30hz was just a thing with ancient HDMI
2015-12-04T03:29:55 < upgrdman_> 4/2 monitors is great, but is it like "enjoy 24Hz, lolumad"
2015-12-04T03:30:25 < upgrdman_> are there any 4k monitors that do >60Hz? like 90 or 120?
2015-12-04T03:30:27 < dongs> no
2015-12-04T03:31:00 < GargantuaSauce> i bet that runs killing floor great
2015-12-04T03:31:17 < dongs> why is there 2 fans
2015-12-04T03:31:19 < dongs> on that 950 you linked ;|
2015-12-04T03:31:29 < GargantuaSauce> to double the thrust obviously
2015-12-04T03:31:48 < dongs> https://www.pny.com/nvidia-quadro-k1200-displayport
2015-12-04T03:32:07 < dongs> this is way more pro than that 950
2015-12-04T03:32:29 < dongs> no, its pro card
2015-12-04T03:32:42 < upgrdman_> are those mini dp's with retaining clips?
2015-12-04T03:32:51 < dongs> upgrdman_: no
2015-12-04T03:34:55 < kakimir> it doesn't say that 950 has 60hz support on dp
2015-12-04T03:35:01 < upgrdman_> i know quaddro is their pro line, but what makes a gpu pro or gaymer?
2015-12-04T03:35:01 < dongs> because it does
2015-12-04T03:35:18 < dongs> kakimir: dp has always supported 60hz
2015-12-04T03:35:22 < dongs> its HDMI that is/was a problem
2015-12-04T03:35:25 < dongs> has never been issue on dp
2015-12-04T03:36:00 < kakimir> until HDMI2.0
2015-12-04T03:36:16 < kakimir> how about with multiple monitors? still assured?
2015-12-04T03:36:51 < kakimir> because high end gaming moneyz
2015-12-04T03:37:01 < kakimir> you pay them
2015-12-04T03:37:25 < dongs> kakimir: yes
2015-12-04T03:37:51 < dongs> no
2015-12-04T03:37:52 < kakimir> no
2015-12-04T03:37:59 < dongs> its like 1/5th of your nonpro performance
2015-12-04T03:38:07 < kakimir> not even that
2015-12-04T03:38:13 < dongs> its 750Ti class i tihnk
2015-12-04T03:38:16 < dongs> last i cared to check
2015-12-04T03:38:21 < kakimir> it's all drivers optimized for cad crap
2015-12-04T03:38:43 < kakimir> and have certificates
2015-12-04T03:39:27 < upgrdman_> how do i know if an i7 is skylake? is it like i7-6xxx or whatever?
2015-12-04T03:39:29 < kakimir> that is why you done buy pony that has nice papers instead of meat eating killer horse
2015-12-04T03:40:15 < kakimir> google
2015-12-04T03:40:47 < kakimir> it has that rainbow colors package not that doll head package
2015-12-04T03:41:24 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)
2015-12-04T03:42:01 < kakimir> more like fireworks/aurora http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/08/Skylake-Press-Deck-for-K-SKU-Disclosures-FINAL-II-16-980x551.png
2015-12-04T03:42:42 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/88195/
2015-12-04T03:44:10 < dongs> what sux is
2015-12-04T03:44:14 < dongs> latest shit doesnt include cooler
2015-12-04T03:44:17 < dongs> fucking ripoff intel
2015-12-04T03:44:44 < upgrdman_> dunno about intel, but back in the day when amd was good, their coolers sucked (loud and underpowered)
2015-12-04T03:45:03 < kakimir> computer in a processor
2015-12-04T03:45:04 < dongs> upgrdman_: intel coolers are gr8
2015-12-04T03:45:08 < upgrdman_> k
2015-12-04T03:45:27 < dongs> and they have included thermal shit
2015-12-04T03:45:33 < upgrdman_> R2COM, that makes it easier for nsa to tap
2015-12-04T03:45:34 < dongs> you just take it out of hte box and stick it on
2015-12-04T03:45:34 < dongs> done
2015-12-04T03:46:56 < dongs> heh intel hasnt released a 'high end' version of kikelake yet
2015-12-04T03:46:58 < kakimir> propably you could run a whole linux system in that processor without even knowing its there
2015-12-04T03:47:03 < dongs> the $1k one
2015-12-04T03:47:20 < dongs> kakimir: there's some vpro/sideband mcu thing in  those
2015-12-04T03:47:25 < kakimir> propably there is some arm cores that do nsa stuff
2015-12-04T03:47:44 < upgrdman_> wtf. the dell alienware pc looks weird.
2015-12-04T03:47:50 < upgrdman_> fucking pyramid
2015-12-04T03:47:56 < dongs> just buy your own parts dude.
2015-12-04T03:47:57 < kakimir> dont look at them
2015-12-04T03:48:17 < kakimir> you dont look weird shaped stuff when you are buying computers
2015-12-04T03:48:33 < upgrdman_> ya i plan to build anyway. it's fun.
2015-12-04T03:48:53 < kakimir> upgrdman_: that skylake can handle 4k@60 if mobo has dp
2015-12-04T03:49:04 < kakimir> I don't know how many
2015-12-04T03:49:05 < dongs> lol but intel gfx
2015-12-04T03:49:08 < upgrdman_> but just looking around and saw it. i guess gaymers might like it because you can use the case to scratch your butthole
2015-12-04T03:49:22 < kakimir> you dont do gayming but cad for sure
2015-12-04T03:49:34 < upgrdman_> ya if im doing a desktop, it'll have a proper gpu
2015-12-04T03:49:47 < upgrdman_> i might have to dust off my pile of old games for like 2004.
2015-12-04T03:50:04 < upgrdman_> i never finished Crysis, Doom3 or UT2004
2015-12-04T03:50:39 < upgrdman_> i know
2015-12-04T03:50:45 < upgrdman_> i havn't gamed since 2004.
2015-12-04T03:51:04 < upgrdman_> it was like last year that i dismantled my old ass gamer pc.
2015-12-04T03:51:14 < upgrdman_> i saved the heatsink/fan from my gts8800
2015-12-04T03:51:44 < upgrdman_> no i just have not set aside enough time to be a proper gaymer
2015-12-04T03:51:53 < kakimir> I never played crysis
2015-12-04T03:52:00 < upgrdman_> so i always get pissed off when i cant even get very far before my free time is up
2015-12-04T03:52:22 < Amperture> ffffffffffffffuck
2015-12-04T03:52:25 < upgrdman_> so i mostly played shit like tetris, jewels, etc.
2015-12-04T03:52:29 < kakimir> doom3 was last game with storyline I bought
2015-12-04T03:52:42 < Amperture> for some reason now my Nucleo board isn't letting openocd connect
2015-12-04T03:52:57 < upgrdman_> Amperture, hold down reset button, try to connect, let go of button
2015-12-04T03:53:06 < upgrdman_> you might be stuck in WFI/WFE or whatever
2015-12-04T03:53:25 < upgrdman_> or config openocd to assert reset pin
2015-12-04T03:55:43 < Amperture> upgrdman_, it did something at least, still can't flash, now openocd has this error
2015-12-04T03:55:51 < Amperture> Error: couldn't bind to socket: Address already in use
2015-12-04T03:56:37 < upgrdman_> dunno. i would try asking in ##openocd, or take the lazy route and use official windows stm st-util to erase chip so you can start fresh
2015-12-04T03:57:36 < Amperture> okay
2015-12-04T03:57:49 < Amperture> so flashing via mbed filesystem thing works now
2015-12-04T03:57:54 < Amperture> let's see if OCD can connect
2015-12-04T03:58:56 < Amperture> still getting address is already in use
2015-12-04T03:58:57 < Amperture> hmm
2015-12-04T03:59:12 < upgrdman_> bbl
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2015-12-04T04:00:43 < Amperture> oh
2015-12-04T04:00:44 < Amperture> fuck
2015-12-04T04:00:46 < Amperture> okay
2015-12-04T04:01:10 < Amperture> So apparently somehow ocd was running in the background already, and port 4444 thus was in use
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2015-12-04T04:46:09 < dongs> Dear Internet Archivists:
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2015-12-04T04:46:38 < dongs> sounds like word-for-word from kikepedia
2015-12-04T04:46:56 < upgrdman> is that archive.org?
2015-12-04T04:46:58 < dongs> ya
2015-12-04T04:47:04 < upgrdman> i find their WaybackMachine super helpful
2015-12-04T04:47:13 < dongs> its helpful for zano
2015-12-04T04:51:23 < dongs> Theo de Raadt 3 months ago +LazerLord10 if youre having scaling problems you may want to consider using an OS that isnt shit.
2015-12-04T04:51:26 < dongs> haha
2015-12-04T04:51:28 < dongs> i wonder if its the real theo
2015-12-04T04:51:30 < dongs> holy shit
2015-12-04T04:51:31 < dongs> in jewtube comments
2015-12-04T04:51:57 < dongs> https://plus.google.com/107949401431612408927/posts
2015-12-04T04:51:57 < dongs> hm
2015-12-04T04:51:58 < dongs> probly not
2015-12-04T04:54:29 < dongs> http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/
2015-12-04T04:58:19 < kakimir> instafav
2015-12-04T04:59:54 < ReadError> Apache, lighttpd. --->	thttpd, OpenBSD's fork of apache 1.3, nginx, or best of all: don't use HTTP.
2015-12-04T05:00:08 < ReadError> did RMS make this page
2015-12-04T05:03:06 < kakimir> is it that plan9 was the best OS ever made?
2015-12-04T05:03:19 < upgrdman> damn it. win10 removed the Move option from right-clicking on a window in the taskbar.
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2015-12-04T05:06:02 < dongs> er?
2015-12-04T05:06:20 < dongs> alt-space-m?
2015-12-04T05:06:29 < dongs> theres no way it would be removed
2015-12-04T05:07:13 < upgrdman> ok that could work
2015-12-04T05:07:27 < upgrdman> but i mean, its no longer listed if you right-click on a window in the taskbar
2015-12-04T05:07:30 < dongs> this is basic function of windows since like 3.11
2015-12-04T05:07:40 < upgrdman> ya
2015-12-04T05:07:44 < dongs> um it never was there?
2015-12-04T05:07:51 < upgrdman> yes it was you fag
2015-12-04T05:07:58 < upgrdman> in like 7
2015-12-04T05:08:05 < upgrdman> and 2000 and xp and 98se
2015-12-04T05:08:07 < dongs> you must have disabled taskbar grouping or something
2015-12-04T05:08:08 < dongs> nope
2015-12-04T05:08:25 < upgrdman> yes of couse i disable pooping
2015-12-04T05:10:14 < dongs> sux4u
2015-12-04T05:10:24 < dongs> i stopped caring about adjusting windows to my liking years ago
2015-12-04T05:10:25 < dongs> shit just works
2015-12-04T05:10:30 < dongs> if you wanna adjust shit might as well run lunix
2015-12-04T05:10:46 < dongs> try it with grouping, the new bullshit transparent colorscheme makes app titles unreadable anyway
2015-12-04T05:10:58 < dongs> i atually spent more time trying to find titled apps than by icon
2015-12-04T05:11:55 < ReadError> "Cybercriminals have sold a kit that allows other bad actors to build botnets using Dorkbot. The kit, called NgrBot, is sold in underground online forums, Microsoft wrote in a blog post. "
2015-12-04T05:12:05 < kakimir> I hate when I forget to use all the features I find
2015-12-04T05:12:17 < dongs> ngrbot, lo
2015-12-04T05:12:30 < kakimir> I multitouch 3finger window swap
2015-12-04T05:12:56 < kakimir> so effortles
2015-12-04T05:13:52 < ReadError> http://blogs.technet.com/b/mmpc/archive/2015/12/03/microsoft-assists-law-enforcement-to-help-disrupt-dorkbot-botnets.aspx
2015-12-04T05:13:53 < ReadError> haha
2015-12-04T05:15:48 < dongs> http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/12/04/japanese-moms-advice-to-daughter-ask-your-boyfriend-for-many-selfish-things/ japanese 101
2015-12-04T05:16:50 < dongs> upgrdman: also alt-space-n way faster to minimize a window than moving the button there
2015-12-04T05:17:12 < dongs> cuz you can hit those by one hand easy
2015-12-04T05:17:26 < upgrdman> cool
2015-12-04T05:17:50 < upgrdman> why the fuck doesnt windows show these hot keys
2015-12-04T05:17:57 < dongs> err, it does, they're rall there
2015-12-04T05:18:03 < dongs> theyve been tehre for like 15 years
2015-12-04T05:18:15 < upgrdman> but they dont show them
2015-12-04T05:18:15 < dongs> oh, you probly need ot enable "underline hotkeys"
2015-12-04T05:18:23 < upgrdman> hmm ok
2015-12-04T05:18:44 < kakimir> that shortcut doesn't do anything for putty window
2015-12-04T05:19:07 < dongs> control panel -> search "easier to use" -> "Make keyboard easier to use" -> underline keyboard shortcuts and access keys
2015-12-04T05:19:13 < dongs> kakimir: putty has an option to trap alt-space
2015-12-04T05:19:15 < dongs> which is on by default
2015-12-04T05:19:28 < kakimir> why
2015-12-04T05:19:31 < dongs> dont fucking know
2015-12-04T05:19:37 < dongs> probly redirects the keypress to lunix
2015-12-04T05:19:41 < kakimir> do lunix mad beards need those
2015-12-04T05:19:44 < dongs> yes
2015-12-04T05:19:45 < dongs> probably
2015-12-04T05:19:56 < kakimir> jeez
2015-12-04T05:20:08 < kakimir> time to relaz>
2015-12-04T05:20:11 < kakimir> nite
2015-12-04T05:22:22 < ReadError> dont stone too hard kiddo
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2015-12-04T06:05:26 < dongs> R2BLOG did you buy JC3
2015-12-04T06:05:48 < dongs> game
2015-12-04T06:12:13 < upgrdman> so the i7-6700K is the best skylake right?
2015-12-04T06:14:38 < upgrdman> I AM YOU STUPID FAGGOT
2015-12-04T06:14:48 < upgrdman> im trying to plan the parts im gonna buy
2015-12-04T06:16:02 < ReadError> upgrdman make sure you get that nvme m.2 shit
2015-12-04T06:16:02 < upgrdman> fuck if i know
2015-12-04T06:16:12 < ReadError> and that sexy new SSD
2015-12-04T06:16:14 < upgrdman> i have built a pc since back when AMD was actually competitive
2015-12-04T06:16:30 < ReadError> 2.5GB/sec reads and 1.5GB/sec writes
2015-12-04T06:16:43 < upgrdman> ohh linky?
2015-12-04T06:17:06 < ReadError> http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/ssd950pro/overview.html
2015-12-04T06:17:22 < upgrdman> ReadError, what nvme? is this the good one: http://www.microcenter.com/product/451883/Core_i7-6700K_40GHz_LGA_1151_Boxed_Processor
2015-12-04T06:17:42 < upgrdman> oh nvme is re: sdd.
2015-12-04T06:17:44 < upgrdman> ssd*
2015-12-04T06:18:21 < upgrdman> ya
2015-12-04T06:18:32 < upgrdman> im getting ready to make a total fag gaymer rig.
2015-12-04T06:18:47 < upgrdman> 3 of them.
2015-12-04T06:18:52 < ReadError> R2COM everything new is ddr4 anyways
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2015-12-04T06:20:50 < upgrdman> only 16GB?
2015-12-04T06:20:59 < upgrdman> doesn't Chrome use like 14GB just by itself
2015-12-04T06:21:00 < ReadError> ya, need 32 these days
2015-12-04T06:21:13 < upgrdman> j/k im on 16GB right now
2015-12-04T06:21:20 < upgrdman> and 16GB should be enough for now
2015-12-04T06:21:58 < ReadError> 14 windows, 629 tabs: 3rd December 2015
2015-12-04T06:22:04 < ReadError> i should probably restart chrome
2015-12-04T06:23:52 < upgrdman> jesus fuck. who spends $500 on a mobo?  http://www.microcenter.com/product/456220/Z170_LGA_1151_ATX_Intel_Motherboard
2015-12-04T06:25:00 < upgrdman> i dunno
2015-12-04T06:25:09 < upgrdman> i mean, why spend more than $100 or $150 on a mobo
2015-12-04T06:26:00 < upgrdman> really?
2015-12-04T06:26:07 < ReadError> Onboard audio reinvented by ROG. Best-in-class integrated audio utilizes a special shield design, ESS® ES9023P DAC and an exhaustive list of professional-grade audio components, with op-amps powerful enough to drive 2VRMS to any headset.
2015-12-04T06:26:11 < upgrdman> isnt that broadwell or someshit
2015-12-04T06:26:16 < ReadError> haha i wonder if this is the one I saw with the replaceable op-amp
2015-12-04T06:26:50 < upgrdman> that haswell is like 2x TDP
2015-12-04T06:27:39 < upgrdman> total dissipated penis
2015-12-04T06:27:45 < englishman> wait so a $600 cpu is better than a $400 cpu? wow
2015-12-04T06:28:25 < englishman> wat
2015-12-04T06:28:28 < englishman> of course its better
2015-12-04T06:28:30 < englishman> its 1.5x price
2015-12-04T06:28:35 < englishman> and the number is higher
2015-12-04T06:28:53 < upgrdman> is AssRock any good for mobos? never heard of them
2015-12-04T06:29:01 < englishman> they dont have any 69xx yet
2015-12-04T06:29:43 < englishman> while you still can!
2015-12-04T06:31:29 < upgrdman> R2COM, but TDP is noteworthy for always on PC
2015-12-04T06:31:43 < upgrdman> well i suppose idle power is, but same idea
2015-12-04T06:32:46 < upgrdman> i mean a CPU can cost more than its upfront cost
2015-12-04T06:32:54 < upgrdman> and i pay for my electricy bill
2015-12-04T06:33:05 < upgrdman> so i care about total cost of pwnership
2015-12-04T06:33:55 < ReadError> upgrdman idk man ive not heard great things about the skylake
2015-12-04T06:34:03 < ReadError> compared to previous generation
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2015-12-04T06:35:07 < upgrdman> 10W 24/7/365 is $$
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2015-12-04T06:38:03 < upgrdman> do the math, idiot
2015-12-04T06:41:16 < upgrdman> if i can save 50W, that saves about $88 per year
2015-12-04T06:41:26 < upgrdman> not a huge deal, but its worth planning for
2015-12-04T06:42:02 < upgrdman> and since a pc tends to last me 3 - 4 years, that saves a few hundred $ over it lifetime
2015-12-04T06:42:21 < Roklobotomy> i have a media centre that draws between 70W when idle and 85W when recording/playing.  The bulk of power used is in the steady draw like fans and hdd.
2015-12-04T06:43:06 < Roklobotomy> 70W with 5HDD and athlonx2-5400
2015-12-04T06:43:33 < upgrdman> ya 5 HDDs alone will draw a lot
2015-12-04T06:44:12 < Roklobotomy> small servers i have installed with 2xssd and 2x hdd and a xeon tend to idle at 75W and peak at about 120W - the peak only ever happens at boot.
2015-12-04T06:45:22 < Roklobotomy> unless you're bitcoin mining all the time or some other heavy you will have a lot of trouble trying to reduce your idle load which is the power mode you'll be in most of the time.
2015-12-04T06:45:55 < upgrdman> Roklobotomy, idle draw of skylake is much lower than broadwell, no?
2015-12-04T06:46:25 < Roklobotomy> upgrdman: sure but what is the idle of the mobo/hdd/fans etc.
2015-12-04T06:46:41 < upgrdman> ya i know. im trying to think about all of it
2015-12-04T06:46:48 < Roklobotomy> laptops typically have a profile of 60-65W max
2015-12-04T06:46:50 < upgrdman> and each part is worth considering
2015-12-04T06:47:11 < Roklobotomy> don't use a gpu.
2015-12-04T06:47:19 < Roklobotomy> get an ssd
2015-12-04T06:48:00 < Roklobotomy> get laptop grade stuff which uses low volt cpu and ram for instance.
2015-12-04T06:48:07 < Roklobotomy> so a NUC for example.
2015-12-04T06:48:38 < upgrdman> Roklobotomy, im building a pc because i want the power of a pc. i just dont want to waste watts IF i dont need to
2015-12-04T06:49:16 < dongs> huh
2015-12-04T06:49:21 < dongs> how the fuck do I print out a pcb 1:1 in altidong
2015-12-04T06:49:27 < dongs> im trying to print shit out to fit stuff
2015-12-04T06:49:33 < dongs> and its zooming entier board into a4 sheet
2015-12-04T06:49:39 < upgrdman> R2COM, i didnt mean 50W just by the cpu. i mean overall.
2015-12-04T06:49:48 < ReadError> dongs easit way
2015-12-04T06:49:52 < ReadError> export gerber
2015-12-04T06:49:58 < englishman> Buy led bulbs first
2015-12-04T06:49:58 < ReadError> open in diptrace, print, 1:1
2015-12-04T06:50:02 < dongs> lol..
2015-12-04T06:50:08 < upgrdman> englishman, already did. love em
2015-12-04T06:50:13 < ReadError> ive done it in altium but cant remember how ;(
2015-12-04T06:50:19 < ReadError> upgrdman or someone was asking the other week
2015-12-04T06:50:28 < englishman> upgrdman: cool, now go turn them off
2015-12-04T06:50:32 < upgrdman> i figured it out for pcb symbols
2015-12-04T06:50:39 < upgrdman> not sure if its the same for whole pcbs
2015-12-04T06:50:46 < upgrdman> R2COM, i am
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2015-12-04T06:51:36 < upgrdman> dongs, iirc it was print preview > scale 1.0 or someshit like that
2015-12-04T06:52:19 < upgrdman> OH
2015-12-04T06:52:22 < upgrdman> no it was:
2015-12-04T06:52:31 < ReadError> in kikad you can use CLI to dump to postscript and pipe it to CUPS
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2015-12-04T06:52:39 < Roklobsta> protel/altium always had a lust for shitty hue of yellow too.
2015-12-04T06:52:45 < upgrdman> file > page setup > scale mode = scaled print, scale = 1.0
2015-12-04T06:53:02 < dongs> ah
2015-12-04T06:53:04 < dongs> 1.0 k
2015-12-04T06:53:09 < upgrdman> AND
2015-12-04T06:53:10 < dongs> proo
2015-12-04T06:53:19 < upgrdman> then you print preview ... click 100%
2015-12-04T06:53:51 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: just get the latest i7-6xxxMF with low voltage core and ram.  you can't do better than that.
2015-12-04T06:54:05 < upgrdman> hmm k
2015-12-04T06:54:12 < dongs> MF?
2015-12-04T06:54:15 < dongs> link to ark.intel.com
2015-12-04T06:54:18 < Roklobsta> muthafucker
2015-12-04T06:54:18 < dongs> i didnt see any of that
2015-12-04T06:54:23 < dongs> oh k
2015-12-04T06:54:42 < Roklobsta> i dunno, MQ,HQ,FU,U whatever.
2015-12-04T06:55:35 < dongs> than what bro
2015-12-04T06:55:42 < dongs> its a desktop processor for work
2015-12-04T06:55:44 < dongs> haha fuck off
2015-12-04T06:55:47 < Roklobsta> when you see an ad for a sub $1k laptop with an i7 they always omit the U suffix.
2015-12-04T06:55:56 < dongs> did  you notice tehre's not a single LGA2011 board in production anymore?
2015-12-04T06:58:58 < Roklobsta> AM3 socket is for life
2015-12-04T06:59:41 < upgrdman> hows this for a mobo  http://www.microcenter.com/product/452669/GA-Z170XP-SLI_LGA_1151_ATX_Intel_Motherboard
2015-12-04T06:59:47 < Roklobsta> i'm gonna get an i7-4720MQ laptop next time i am in the big smoke.  Should be good for  afew years.
2015-12-04T07:00:13 < Roklobsta> upgrdman: why don't you get a laptop?
2015-12-04T07:00:16 < Roklobsta> guaranteed low power
2015-12-04T07:00:37 < upgrdman> i want 3x 4k60. cant find a laptop to do that :)
2015-12-04T07:00:48 < upgrdman> again, i dont NEED low power. i just dont want to WASTE power.
2015-12-04T07:01:01 < dongs> upgrdman: i told you anus only
2015-12-04T07:01:04 < upgrdman> R2COM, why the fuck not? same socket.
2015-12-04T07:01:08 < dongs> niggabyte turned into gamer joke trash
2015-12-04T07:01:58 < Roklobsta> i thought they were always cheap and trashy.
2015-12-04T07:02:24 < ReadError> gigabyte boards are nice
2015-12-04T07:02:36 < upgrdman> dongs, maybe this? http://www.microcenter.com/product/452915/Z170_Pro__Gaming_LGA_1151_ATX_Intel_Motherboard
2015-12-04T07:02:37 < Roklobsta> maybe i am thinking of asrock
2015-12-04T07:02:41 < dongs> upgrdman: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/Z170-PRO/specifications/
2015-12-04T07:02:48 < dongs> not *gaming* version
2015-12-04T07:03:02 < dongs> pro gaming = garbage
2015-12-04T07:03:26 < dongs> normaly I'd recommend 170A
2015-12-04T07:03:33 < dongs> but they used fucking ASSMEDIA USB3.1 controller on it
2015-12-04T07:03:34 < dongs> instead of intel
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2015-12-04T07:03:48 < Roklobsta> doh
2015-12-04T07:04:09 < Roklobsta> usb3.1 probably needs a few years to flush out the crap.
2015-12-04T07:04:30 < dongs> intel already has 3.1 on board no idea why ngrs would use some other retarded chip
2015-12-04T07:04:41 < dongs> and fucking assmedia makes garbage chinese usb>hdd breakouts etc
2015-12-04T07:04:47 < dongs> like bottom of the barrel shit
2015-12-04T07:04:54 < dongs> $2.99 ebay special for usb3>hdd converter dongle thingy
2015-12-04T07:05:15 < jpa-> i bought a $4 one that came with a case.. works with usb2, but not with usb3
2015-12-04T07:05:20 < Roklobsta> it's 70% carcinogenic probably.
2015-12-04T07:05:23 < dongs> was it advertised as USB3?
2015-12-04T07:05:29 < jpa-> yeah, and came with usb3 cable
2015-12-04T07:05:37 < dongs> the connector is probably such shit the crap doesnt make contact
2015-12-04T07:05:39 < jpa-> had to tape the usb3 pins over to get it to show up
2015-12-04T07:05:41 < dongs> for the usb3 lines
2015-12-04T07:05:42 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-04T07:05:51 < dongs> nice1
2015-12-04T07:06:12 < jpa-> it might just be that my lunix fails at usb3, though :D
2015-12-04T07:06:19 < jpa-> have to try on some reliable windows pc
2015-12-04T07:06:23 < Roklobsta> i got a NUCthe other day and the box had a declaration the svga connector uses a chemical known to cause deformities in developing babies.
2015-12-04T07:06:55 < dongs> fucking stupid asus
2015-12-04T07:07:02 < dongs> pro gaming spams all results
2015-12-04T07:07:12 < dongs> how the fuck they could have called that shit same fucking name
2015-12-04T07:07:17 < Roklobsta> do pro gamers still use PS/2 mice?
2015-12-04T07:07:43 < dongs> pro gaming is also assmedia USB
2015-12-04T07:07:43 < Roklobsta> well how can they be pro? usb has too much jitter and lag.
2015-12-04T07:08:34 < jpa-> there are usb high speed mouses IIRC
2015-12-04T07:08:35 < Roklobsta> the only time usb mice has suffered for me is when my 2.4ghz mouse gets hosed during heave wifi traffic.,
2015-12-04T07:08:36 < Roklobsta> heavy
2015-12-04T07:09:32 < Roklobsta> shoulda unwrapped the foil from your mouse.
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2015-12-04T07:16:33 < Roklobsta> same
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2015-12-04T07:24:08 < dongs> what are those?
2015-12-04T07:24:29 < dongs> you mean tactile buttons with some printed overlay?
2015-12-04T07:26:24 < dongs> theyre custom, have you ever taken those panels apart?
2015-12-04T07:26:28 < dongs> its an entire rubber overlay
2015-12-04T07:26:55 < dongs> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v8/445419067/silicone_rubber_overlay_keypad.jpg_220x220.jpg
2015-12-04T07:27:02 < dongs> china sells that kinda shit
2015-12-04T07:27:13 < dongs> bottom has that black conductive pad thing and pcb it touches has the connector
2015-12-04T07:27:17 < dongs> not push
2015-12-04T07:27:28 < dongs> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/1963635229/Silicone_rubber_overlay_keypad.jpg_220x220.jpg
2015-12-04T07:27:31 < dongs> the black thing
2015-12-04T07:27:47 < dongs> http://www.epectec.com/keypads/design/
2015-12-04T07:27:57 < dongs> yes
2015-12-04T07:28:13 < dongs> the contacts look like fork thingies
2015-12-04T07:28:57 < dongs> apparently http://www.polariskeypad.com/uploadfile/p9/polariselectronics4499/product/special-membrane-switch-pcb-membrane-switch/PCB-Membrane-Switch-(PK-PCBS-001)-1370789576-1.jpg is possible too
2015-12-04T07:29:06 < dongs> but i was thinking the one where pcb is the actual switch
2015-12-04T07:29:13 < dongs> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/454288778/Switch_Pad_main_control_PCB_board_and.jpg
2015-12-04T07:29:17 < dongs> this shit
2015-12-04T07:39:34 < dongs> that pcb kinda looks liek OSP
2015-12-04T07:39:42 < dongs> might need some special handling anyway
2015-12-04T07:39:47 < dongs> to not fuckup contacts after long time
2015-12-04T07:40:09 < dongs> maybe same thing like on edge conncetors, hard gold / gold fingers shit
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2015-12-04T07:55:00 < upgrdman> is "hard" gold just thicker, or a different alloy or what
2015-12-04T07:58:07 < Amperture> man, now you faggots have me using the bare register defines in stm32f4xx.h instead of a proper HAL for my init code
2015-12-04T07:58:35 < upgrdman> lol
2015-12-04T07:59:30 < Amperture> Silver Lining, I suppose now I actually kinda know how PWM works on stm32 chips
2015-12-04T08:00:06 < upgrdman> now the cool kids will like you
2015-12-04T08:00:37 < jpa-> Amperture: does there even exist a proper HAL for stm32?
2015-12-04T08:00:59 < Amperture> so "proper" may be a strong word
2015-12-04T08:01:06 < Amperture> but I was just starting to get into using StdPeriph
2015-12-04T08:01:16 < jpa-> don't
2015-12-04T08:01:22 < jpa-> friends don't let friends do stdperiph
2015-12-04T08:01:45 < Amperture> Is there a consensus on a "good" HAL for stm32? Hopefully not Cube
2015-12-04T08:01:46 < jpa-> the 'std' in name stands for aids
2015-12-04T08:02:21 < jpa-> chibios' hal is generally regarded as "not the crappiest in existence", while it is not perfect either
2015-12-04T08:02:24 < Amperture> I'm only aware of StdPeriph, Cube, libopencm3, and recently ChibiOS?
2015-12-04T08:02:31 < jpa-> there is also laks
2015-12-04T08:02:37 < jpa-> and stm32++ or something like that
2015-12-04T08:02:38 < jpa-> and nuttx
2015-12-04T08:02:44 < jpa-> and coooooos
2015-12-04T08:03:05 < jpa-> and stm32plus
2015-12-04T08:03:35 < Amperture> >stm32plus
2015-12-04T08:03:37 < Amperture> >C++
2015-12-04T08:03:45 < jpa-> and mbed
2015-12-04T08:03:51 < jpa-> what's wrong with c++?
2015-12-04T08:04:05 < Amperture> on an MCU?
2015-12-04T08:04:20 < jpa-> yeah?
2015-12-04T08:04:30 < jpa-> i use c++ on mcu quite often
2015-12-04T08:04:50 < jpa-> you have to know what you are doing, but that is true also with C
2015-12-04T08:05:25 < upgrdman> ya. like use lots of exceptions and templates. because super pro. ;)
2015-12-04T08:06:06 < jpa-> well, even templates are generally ok, because flash is quite plentiful on many STM32's
2015-12-04T08:06:59 < jpa-> if coding on stm32L0 with 4kB of flash, you probably cannot use stdperiph very well either
2015-12-04T08:07:46 < Amperture> Eh, I'll probably stick to the register defines for now, until I get a job.
2015-12-04T08:08:09 < Amperture> That learning process wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.
2015-12-04T08:09:15 < jpa-> one has to know the registers anyway for debugging
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2015-12-04T08:30:26 < bloated> 370 megabyte lib. I guess Atmel has a very wide range of processors.
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2015-12-04T08:41:39 < jpa-> bloated: with or without debug symbols?
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2015-12-04T08:59:13 < dongs> R2COM: pcbgirl says those pads need 'carbon coat'
2015-12-04T09:00:00 < dongs> http://www.henkel-adhesives.com/conductive-inks-coatings-27433.htm
2015-12-04T09:00:06 < dongs> looks liek some kinda conductive ink
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2015-12-04T09:04:17 < bloated> jpa- I didn't use it/ download it.
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2015-12-04T09:46:41 < dongs> yeah
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2015-12-04T10:32:39 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS15S3KBwog
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2015-12-04T11:00:27 < ReadError> god damnit
2015-12-04T11:00:44 < ReadError> if you paypal anything with 'VESC', paypal gets fucky
2015-12-04T11:00:58 < ReadError> Regulations require us to take a closer look at some transactions. Your payment is temporarily pending while we review it.
2015-12-04T11:04:30 < PeterM> ReadError, you getting one of vedders boards done?
2015-12-04T11:04:54 < ReadError> PeterM yea, ordered 3 from osh for fun
2015-12-04T11:05:28 < ReadError> If paying by Paypal, do NOT include the word VESC in your payment comment. If Paypal sees "VESC" in your payment comment, they will suspend your payment for several days.  -- Hackvana
2015-12-04T11:05:33 < ReadError> whats the deal here
2015-12-04T11:05:45 < PeterM> no idea, i've had issues with it before too
2015-12-04T11:05:53 < ReadError> 'VESC' ?
2015-12-04T11:06:05 < PeterM> ordering online, not related to vedder ESC but something else wihty same abbreviation
2015-12-04T11:07:37 < ReadError> thats retarded
2015-12-04T11:08:05 < PeterM> i half designed a re-work of the vedder ESC for current shunts + fets on one MCPCB and then a mezzanine connector with the micro + extras on top board but never got around to finishing it
2015-12-04T11:08:11 < PeterM> probably should
2015-12-04T11:08:21 < PeterM> yes, thoroughly
2015-12-04T11:08:50 < ReadError> yea thats actually what I wanted to do
2015-12-04T11:08:57 < ReadError> MCU+logic on one board
2015-12-04T11:09:03 < ReadError> all things power on another, stack
2015-12-04T11:09:28 < PeterM> i designed it for 1 layer, so you could put it on MCPCB
2015-12-04T11:09:45 < PeterM> i also switched from IRF mosfets to infineon fets
2015-12-04T11:10:27 < jpa-> i redesigned to make the pcb larger
2015-12-04T11:10:37 < ReadError> i should have used korea
2015-12-04T11:10:41 < ReadError> since 1oz inners
2015-12-04T11:10:53 < ReadError> and 36 boards for 100+shipping
2015-12-04T11:10:58 < ReadError> instead of 3 for 39$
2015-12-04T11:11:20 < PeterM> http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/IPT007N06N_Rev2.0.pdf?folderId=db3a304313b8b5a60113cee8763b02d7&fileId=db3a30433e9d5d11013e9e4618320118
2015-12-04T11:11:23 < ReadError> or I guess it would be 24, but dont need that many
2015-12-04T11:13:04 < PeterM> designed for a 1L pcb for MCPCB means you can mount the SMD fets on the MCPCB, then mount the MCPCB top a heatsink for good heat dissipation
2015-12-04T11:14:09 < ReadError> dont need but a few amps, just wanted to get it to try something
2015-12-04T11:14:32 < ReadError> going to ragecall paypal once they open
2015-12-04T11:15:25 < PeterM> ahh, kk, i was designing for electric chainsaw, could easily see hundred amps
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2015-12-04T12:43:10 < dongs> https://ia601508.us.archive.org/31/items/MrSandman/Mr%20Sandman.mp4
2015-12-04T12:46:05 < ReadError> fake
2015-12-04T12:46:28 < dongs> looks legit
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2015-12-04T12:47:24 < ReadError> well if its real, im glad terrorist are investing in high quality film production
2015-12-04T12:48:53 < jadew> I noticed that too
2015-12-04T12:49:31 < jadew> it's like all the stuff coming out of that place is 1080p and professionally filmed
2015-12-04T12:49:55 < ReadError> before it was all flip phone camera video
2015-12-04T12:50:08 < jadew> guy shooting a bazooka - looks better than hollywood movies
2015-12-04T12:50:14 < jadew> yeah
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2015-12-04T13:24:18 < mitrax> yeah right... an open air classroom with school desks in the middle of a desert... footage made with jib arms, crane and steady shots all in 1080p and nicely cut
2015-12-04T13:25:40 < dongs> yeah and?
2015-12-04T13:28:18 < mitrax> well what is that supposed to be? in what goal? propaganda is supposed to appeal to people ... to reinforce people desire to be on the good side, if that was made to "recruit" people for ISIS that's a fucking big fail, "wooow cool, kids shooting captive people with their arms and legs bound!"
2015-12-04T13:33:29 < mitrax> who's that Isaac Cohen guy and where did he get the footage?
2015-12-04T13:40:34 < jadew> you have to agree tho, the killings look very real
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2015-12-04T13:45:41 < jadew> might have been made for the troups fihgting them
2015-12-04T13:46:01 < mitrax> they do, but it's hard to trust any video these days... they might be real executions i don't know, my point is that it's not what it's supposed to be: i.e propaganda targeted at young muslims or whatever so they join the jihad... to me it's obviously the opposite
2015-12-04T13:46:08 < jadew> after you watch that you'll have no remorse killing anyone
2015-12-04T13:46:15 < jadew> adult or child
2015-12-04T13:46:18 < mitrax> jadew: exactly
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2015-12-04T13:53:59 < mitrax> jadew: i see that as not so subtle (but effective) "they're born evil, monsters since childhood, and must be eradicated, look at what they do!" message... the more videos like that around the less western opinion will give a shit about civilian casualities in the middle east (not that they really care but...) that scares me because that's definitely how you go if you want to sell a war on a
2015-12-04T13:53:59 < mitrax> global scale, let people no choice ... "either you're with us, either you're against us" ... rings a bell?
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2015-12-04T14:44:51 < jadew> mitrax, on the other hand, if that's true and someone drops a bomb on them the news will say that they blew up a school
2015-12-04T14:45:19 < jadew> which is technically true tho
2015-12-04T14:46:15 < jadew> anyway, I think this whole business is very sad for all sides and humanity as a species
2015-12-04T14:47:30 < jadew> and I'm glad I live in a country that sucks so bad it poses no threat and represents nothing to anyone
2015-12-04T14:47:51 < mitrax> where are you from?
2015-12-04T14:47:57 < jadew> romania
2015-12-04T14:48:14 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-12-04T14:48:28 < mitrax> land of hot chicks!
2015-12-04T14:49:03 < jadew> yeah, I can confirm that
2015-12-04T14:50:02 < jadew> did you know the migrants were invited to stay here?
2015-12-04T14:50:05 < jadew> and they said no
2015-12-04T14:51:00 < jadew> some of them at least
2015-12-04T14:51:07 < ReadError> haha
2015-12-04T14:51:09 < jadew> *some of them were invited
2015-12-04T14:51:40 < ReadError> they all want to go to germany
2015-12-04T14:51:43 < jadew> which is understandable, considering we compete with china regarding the minimum wage
2015-12-04T14:51:45 < ReadError> or UK it seems
2015-12-04T14:52:16 < jadew> yeah, I'd go there too if I were in their shoes
2015-12-04T14:52:48 < jadew> why would you settle for less if you're looking for a new life and that's actually an option?
2015-12-04T14:54:18 < jadew> speaking of UK
2015-12-04T14:54:37 < jadew> any ideas on why ebay sellers from UK refuse to ship internationally?
2015-12-04T14:54:46 < jadew> are they dicks or is there something else?
2015-12-04T14:54:58 < ReadError> yea the UK are a bunch of assholes
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2015-12-04T14:55:45 < jadew> I scored my frequency counter from a UK seller
2015-12-04T14:56:03 < jadew> 100 pounds
2015-12-04T14:56:34 < jadew> a hp 53131A with the oven option
2015-12-04T14:56:55 < jadew> except that the oven wasn't working so the whole thing was stuck
2015-12-04T14:57:12 < jadew> he only wanted to sell by local pickup
2015-12-04T14:57:18 < jadew> and he was living in some remote village
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2015-12-04T14:57:52 < jadew> obviously body bid, but he agreed to ship it to me
2015-12-04T14:58:01 < jadew> *nobody
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2015-12-04T16:26:34 < artag> don't think there's any particular reason, except that ebay are such a pain that nobody wants to sell through them any more
2015-12-04T16:27:24 < artag> there are loads of things I want to get from the US that are either not shipping or have such crazy shipping / duty costs it's not worth the bother
2015-12-04T16:28:10 < artag> I think in the past i've had trouble shipping to the US with tracking - that's OK with DHL etc but not royal mail, and you'd be a fool to sell through ebay without it
2015-12-04T16:28:37 < artag> good deal on the 53131 though :)
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2015-12-04T16:44:32 < mitrax> Getty: there?
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2015-12-04T16:51:27 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-vYvU_2BqQ
2015-12-04T16:56:59 < kakimir> spinning
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2015-12-04T17:07:58 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUV_0XvYLLE justin beiber being a complete fucking tool in japan (again)
2015-12-04T17:09:55 < ReadError> is that how they dub shit?
2015-12-04T17:10:00 < ReadError> with both people talking at once
2015-12-04T17:10:12 < ReadError> annoying
2015-12-04T17:14:46 < Laurenceb_> what an attention seeking moron
2015-12-04T17:14:54 < Laurenceb_> he should hang on irc
2015-12-04T17:17:14 < dongs> he should kill himself first
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2015-12-04T17:33:34 < jadew> artag, I never sold anything on ebay, so I don't know what it's like
2015-12-04T17:33:40 < jadew> but are there any alternatives there?
2015-12-04T17:33:44 < jadew> I don't think there are
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2015-12-04T18:09:49 < upgrdman_> dongs: was this one of the mobos you like? http://www.microcenter.com/product/452551/Z170-AR_LGA_1151_ATX_Intel_Motherboard
2015-12-04T18:09:57 < upgrdman_> its not the gaymer edition
2015-12-04T18:10:02 < dongs> no
2015-12-04T18:10:04 < dongs> AR is assmedia
2015-12-04T18:10:13 < dongs> Z170-PRO (not -PRO-GAMER
2015-12-04T18:10:17 < dongs> but good luck finding it anywhere
2015-12-04T18:10:28 < dongs> because fucking -GAMER version poisoned all google results
2015-12-04T18:11:45 < Getty> mitrax: yes and no ;) just drop it
2015-12-04T18:15:13 < Laurenceb_> gamergate
2015-12-04T18:17:38 < upgrdman_> this looks like a good option that is available. mATX fits in an ATX case, right? http://www.microcenter.com/product/454084/Z170M-E_D3_LGA_1151_mATX__Intel_Motherboard
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2015-12-04T18:19:18 < upgrdman_> oh, it uses "240pin DIMM" ... isnt that old style?
2015-12-04T18:27:17 < artag> jadew: no, there aren't many alternatives. The problem is that it's really easy to scam both sellers and buyers, and ebay fairly strongly supports the buyers. So it's pretty easy to be scammed as a seller. Add to that the difficulty of proving an item arrived safely overseas and I can see why people don't want to trade. Not sure that it's any harder for UKI selleers though, so yeah, maybe we're assholes :)
2015-12-04T18:28:33 < artag> the main alternative afaik for electronics stuff is eevblog's buy/sell forum. Nowhere near the reach of ebay, of course, but you do udually get a friendly trade.
2015-12-04T18:28:45 < dongs> upgrdman_: no its 288, ddr4
2015-12-04T18:29:07 < dongs> but microatx is meh
2015-12-04T18:29:11 < dongs> also asus site isnt loading
2015-12-04T18:29:12 < artag> I've also sold some 53131As mself on the time-nuts list
2015-12-04T18:29:43 < upgrdman_> dongs, you sure? web page said 240pin.
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2015-12-04T18:32:56 < upgrdman_> this a good deal? 8GB for $53? http://www.microcenter.com/product/437030/Ballistix_Sport_8GB_2_x_4GB_DDR4-2400_(PC4-19200)_Dual_Channel_Desktop_Memory_Kit
2015-12-04T18:33:11 < upgrdman_> i'd get two of course. want at least 16GB of ram
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2015-12-04T18:33:54 < upgrdman_> or this http://www.microcenter.com/product/453660/16GB_2x_8GB_DDR4-2400_PC4-19200_CL14_Dual_Channel_Desktop_Memory_Kit
2015-12-04T18:35:15 < dongs> cheapest you can find is ok
2015-12-04T18:35:16 < dongs> its al lsame shit
2015-12-04T18:35:30 < upgrdman_> is latency and speed and thing?
2015-12-04T18:35:34 < upgrdman_> isnt*
2015-12-04T18:37:12 < upgrdman_> mmm samsung 950 pro  http://www.microcenter.com/product/456000/950_PRO_512GB_PCIe_30_M2_Internal_Solid_State_Drive
2015-12-04T18:37:40  * ReadError grabs the lotion
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2015-12-04T18:42:36 < Getty> Everytime a celebrity interacts with me on twitter i feel like a little child
2015-12-04T18:42:50 < Getty> mitrax: and?? what you say? ;)
2015-12-04T18:43:25 < jadew> Getty, which celebrities?
2015-12-04T18:43:53 < upgrdman_> oj simpson?
2015-12-04T18:44:13 < jadew> I don't have an account but I used to follow https://twitter.com/jessieslife
2015-12-04T18:44:19 < Getty> Zack Ward is now following me (Dave from Titus or the guy of postal)
2015-12-04T18:44:29 < jadew> she takes live naked baths and does other live naked stuff
2015-12-04T18:44:30 < Getty> before that i had 2 exchanges with sir mix a lot ;)
2015-12-04T18:45:01 < Getty> and i have had some dialogue with one of the brothers of breaking bad
2015-12-04T18:45:33 < dongs> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12316673_10156296138535052_1057134993846980663_n.jpg?oh=08fe34b6d00b42c362473544d1095900&oe=56DBE134
2015-12-04T18:45:37 < dongs> haha
2015-12-04T18:45:57 < Getty> for a european its a bit like blackmagic, as previously there was not even the spice of a chance to get in contact with those persons
2015-12-04T18:47:25 < Laurenceb_> naked bths
2015-12-04T18:47:30 < Laurenceb_> so pr0n star?
2015-12-04T18:47:51 < Laurenceb_> twitter is full of pr0n stars.. sometimes its fun too look back before they went into pr0n
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2015-12-04T19:09:18 < Sync> the fuck dongs
2015-12-04T19:10:17 < dongs> sync, zano owes camtronics 400kgbp
2015-12-04T19:10:21 < dongs> lewl
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2015-12-04T19:10:43 < dongs> they fleeced the fuck otu of poor ivan & co
2015-12-04T19:11:54 < Sync> no I meant the bieber thing
2015-12-04T19:12:00 < dongs> o that too
2015-12-04T19:12:03 < dongs> sup
2015-12-04T19:12:03 < Sync> did you rip that of some yapsat transponder?
2015-12-04T19:12:08 < dongs> ya
2015-12-04T19:12:49 < Sync> haha what
2015-12-04T19:12:57 < Sync> they paid 400k for the dumb cams?
2015-12-04T19:13:15 < dongs> camtronics is their pcba
2015-12-04T19:13:20 < dongs> cams were some chian shit
2015-12-04T19:13:24 < dongs> i remember when I was looking for 5640 sensor
2015-12-04T19:13:28 < dongs> that was like 1st page of google results
2015-12-04T19:13:31 < dongs> that company they bought from
2015-12-04T19:13:34 < dongs> so much for "extensive testing"
2015-12-04T19:13:36 < ReadError> wait
2015-12-04T19:13:37 < Sync> ah
2015-12-04T19:13:45 < ReadError> how did they bill up 400k
2015-12-04T19:13:52 < ReadError> when they only delivered a few?
2015-12-04T19:13:59 < Sync> yeah I just googled camtronics and it showed me some camera firm
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2015-12-04T19:14:16 < Sync> ReadError: they probably ordered shits for 20k units
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2015-12-04T19:14:45 < dongs> this is camtronics vale
2015-12-04T19:14:47 < dongs> some jewk pcba place
2015-12-04T19:15:51 < Sync> pffft
2015-12-04T19:16:07 < Sync> nobody sells large area image sensors for less than an arm and a leg
2015-12-04T19:17:34 < englishman> 400k gbp???
2015-12-04T19:17:36 < englishman> for what???
2015-12-04T19:18:01 < Sync> assembling shits
2015-12-04T19:18:35 < dongs> thats what domestic manufacturing costs you eb
2015-12-04T19:18:41 < dongs> in Great Britain
2015-12-04T19:18:41 < englishman> you can get 400k of stuff done on net 30 with a handshake? lol
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2015-12-04T19:18:55 < dongs> you can with me!
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2015-12-04T19:19:09 < englishman> id be dead of leukemia long before i got to your place
2015-12-04T19:20:13 < dongs> laff
2015-12-04T19:20:33 < englishman> did you get the list of creditors
2015-12-04T19:20:40 < ReadError> oh shit
2015-12-04T19:20:41 < dongs> just that pic
2015-12-04T19:20:43 < ReadError> the meeting was today
2015-12-04T19:20:46 < dongs> yes, its over
2015-12-04T19:20:57 < ReadError> and trollanceB didnt even livestream it
2015-12-04T19:21:13 < ReadError> which pic of creditors? I just saw the DONT FLY IT pic
2015-12-04T19:21:48 < artag> so what broke ? overambitious marketing ?
2015-12-04T19:22:18 < artag> or did they just fall at the feet of dongs' sarcasm ?
2015-12-04T19:22:57 < Sync> they did not do shit
2015-12-04T19:23:06 < dongs> artag: ivan was dumb, thought he could do something useful on pic32
2015-12-04T19:23:13 < dongs> made company order 1mil of dead stock
2015-12-04T19:23:17 < dongs> then when he couldnt hack it, ragequit
2015-12-04T19:23:55 < ReadError> maybe he can go on oprah and talk about his cocaine and prostitute addiction was the zano downfall, now hes rehabilitated and launching zano 3.0
2015-12-04T19:24:22 < Getty> Laurenceb_: i find it already fascinating that it seems to really give them value to present themself and their activity on twitter so extreme
2015-12-04T19:24:36 < __rob2> I heard the design was taken by the gonvernement for next gen milatary stuff
2015-12-04T19:24:36 < dongs> who
2015-12-04T19:24:40 < __rob2> the liquidation is just a cover up
2015-12-04T19:25:06 < artag> how should they have done it ? Or was it impossible for the money ?
2015-12-04T19:25:06 < Getty> Laurenceb_: there are many _EX_ pornstars who started their twitter with porn and now are just earning money by presenting themself as "ex pornstar"
2015-12-04T19:25:28 < englishman> step 1 would be firing ivan and hiring dongs
2015-12-04T19:25:37 < dongs> it was impossible for hardware
2015-12-04T19:25:43 < englishman> at least dongs would have run off with the money right away, instead of stringing along idiots for a year
2015-12-04T19:25:47 < dongs> they shoulda started with something that actually had H264 encoder
2015-12-04T19:25:56 < Sync> yeah
2015-12-04T19:25:59 < Getty> englishman: yeah that was for me always the most fascinating aspect
2015-12-04T19:26:05 < Getty> englishman: that they REALLY believed their bull
2015-12-04T19:26:09 < artag> wat  ?they were doing video thru a pic too ?
2015-12-04T19:26:13 < dongs> yes
2015-12-04T19:26:17 < Sync> if they would have blown ambarellas dick they probably could have done it
2015-12-04T19:26:20 < dongs> 1080p60 streaming
2015-12-04T19:26:22 < upgrdman_> where they going from raw RGB and encoding it via software? to what, mjpeg?
2015-12-04T19:26:22 < dongs> from pic32.
2015-12-04T19:26:25 < dongs> i shit you not.
2015-12-04T19:26:36 < Getty> with their hyper-ivan-optimized-software!
2015-12-04T19:26:48 < Sync> upgrdman_: gif
2015-12-04T19:27:06 < dongs> upgrdman_: camera module had mjpeg encoder.
2015-12-04T19:27:06 < emeb> Pro PCB design defined: http://pcbmode.com/
2015-12-04T19:27:08 < Getty> HYPER HYPER! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHVSshgPlQs
2015-12-04T19:27:15 < Getty> s/Scooter/Ivan/
2015-12-04T19:27:23 < emeb> Design you next borad in a text editor!
2015-12-04T19:27:33 < emeb> with JSON! and Python!
2015-12-04T19:27:39 < jpa-> emeb: no no, you can use inkscape also!
2015-12-04T19:28:00 < jpa-> actually not a totally crazy idea
2015-12-04T19:28:16 < artag> hey, boldport pcb designs are gorgeous
2015-12-04T19:28:17 < Getty> yeah that makes actually sense IF it allows really to add every detail needed
2015-12-04T19:28:17  * emeb retires to his fainting couch
2015-12-04T19:28:33 < artag> wouldn't like to use them for DRAM but for slow stuff, they're amazing
2015-12-04T19:29:58 < artag> http://www.boldport.com/
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2015-12-04T19:30:49 < dongs> wiat, you have to PAY those cunts to make those pcbs for you?
2015-12-04T19:30:51 < dongs> well fuck that.
2015-12-04T19:31:28 < englishman> lol
2015-12-04T19:31:31 < englishman> audiophool art
2015-12-04T19:31:42 < dongs> tiem to get stoned
2015-12-04T19:31:45 < dongs> way past my bedtime
2015-12-04T19:32:13 < Getty> i hope you got good stuff over there ;)
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2015-12-04T20:42:17 < kakimir> bubba stoned?
2015-12-04T20:44:22 < ReadError> ABOUT TO ENGAGE STONING
2015-12-04T20:45:16 < upgrdman_> is stoned another word for wanking?
2015-12-04T20:45:36 < Getty> ........?
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2015-12-04T20:51:01 < kakimir> https://imgflip.com/i/v7o5g
2015-12-04T20:56:16 < upgrdman_> in windows, with c or c++, how do you talk to an ftdi uart? do you use an ftdi lib, or some windows thing?
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2015-12-04T20:58:24 < kakimir> dont you like use windows com-.. api?
2015-12-04T20:58:48 < gxti> if you're using the virtual com port driver yes
2015-12-04T20:59:10 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: openocd uses libusb directly, flashrom uses libftdi. libftdi has C++ bindings.
2015-12-04T20:59:46 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: but when talking to uart you can just use the regular "serial port" API, yes.
2015-12-04T21:00:43 < kakimir> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff802693.aspx
2015-12-04T21:00:53 < kakimir> look at the date
2015-12-04T21:01:00 < upgrdman_> ok so this is my first time coding specifically for windows. would using libftdi be best, or using the windows serial port api be best?
2015-12-04T21:01:14 < kakimir> that was first search result
2015-12-04T21:01:29 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: what are you trying to do with that ftdi device exactly?
2015-12-04T21:01:40 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: just use it as a COM port?
2015-12-04T21:02:31 < upgrdman_> PaulFertser, well i bought one of the FTDI MPSSE cables (it does UART / SPI / I2C / JTAG) and im finally getting around to programming a hello world for it, doing UART for now. i've done lots of serial port stuff before, but all in Java.
2015-12-04T21:02:50 < kakimir> go with libusb for using just uart
2015-12-04T21:03:06 < kakimir> and shoot yourself in the foot
2015-12-04T21:03:45 < gxti> on loonix you can choose either way when the program runs; on windows i think you have to preinstall the right driver (VCP vs usermode driver) ahead of time. almost everybody will have the VCP driver so just use it as a plain com port unless you need to diddle the gpios.
2015-12-04T21:03:56 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: for simple UART, why not http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_59_0/doc/html/boost_asio/overview/serial_ports.html ?
2015-12-04T21:04:03 < upgrdman_> PaulFertser, ok so i'll just use it as a com port. that means i dont need any ftdi libs, correct? it's part of windows?
2015-12-04T21:04:27 < upgrdman_> ok, i'll look into boost.
2015-12-04T21:04:50 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: you'll need the VCP driver, no idea if windows has that out of the box or not.
2015-12-04T21:05:20 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: for libftdi you'll have to use Zadig (or other way) to assign WinUSB driver to that device. But with libftdi you'll be able to use SPI, bitbanging etc.
2015-12-04T21:07:33 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: I think if you're serious about C++, learning some Boost is certainly worth trying.
2015-12-04T21:09:24 < upgrdman_> not serious yet, but probably should get serious eventually :)
2015-12-04T21:10:30 < PaulFertser> Or there's PySerial if you prefer scripting.
2015-12-04T21:10:37 < upgrdman_> no py
2015-12-04T21:12:35 < Getty> ok, wanna drop the 3d printer bomb, go! is makerbot dead now? ;) reprap the way to go? ;)
2015-12-04T21:13:28 < yan_> i'm working on a project that sleeps for 5 seconds a time, then samples a sensor, records a few values and goes back to sleep. i need to wake depending on a pattern of last 8-16 values. Would using EEPROM be an okay place to store those values, if i am going to erase/write the same page of EEPROM every 5 seconds for potentially years
2015-12-04T21:14:00 < yan_> (stm32l151)
2015-12-04T21:16:32 < yan_> i'd store in ram, but sleep without ram retention is sub-uA
2015-12-04T21:17:26 < jpa-> yan_: stm32l1 EEPROM will pause code execution for the duration of the write
2015-12-04T21:18:14 < jpa-> also eeprom writing uses quite a lot of current, so it may negate any 1µA savings you get from deeper sleep
2015-12-04T21:18:24 < yan_> jpa-: hm good point
2015-12-04T21:21:23 < jpa-> also 300kcycles, so at every 5 secs that is only 17 days
2015-12-04T21:21:54 < jpa-> though if you add values, you don't need to erase the page every time
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2015-12-04T21:28:19 < yan_> jpa-: yeah, looks like eeprom write/erase current is ~300uA
2015-12-04T21:28:44 < jpa-> and add to that the current of the CPU while doing the eeprom write
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2015-12-04T22:10:04 < mitrax> Getty: it was decent and certainly enjoyable to watch :) the ending is a bit cheesy though
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2015-12-04T22:42:03 < ReadError> upgrdman
2015-12-04T22:42:04 < ReadError> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9798059&CatId=9594
2015-12-04T22:42:06 < ReadError> not bad
2015-12-04T22:42:33 < Getty> mitrax: what i like at the end is his face when he goes away like: "and i am off to make the next great movie"
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2015-12-04T23:09:51 < scrts> do one step furthermaybe x is not yet assigned where you're looking at?
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2015-12-04T23:16:17 < scrts> paste code
2015-12-04T23:17:44 < Fleck> mouseover? You are doing it wrong R2COM :D
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2015-12-04T23:31:04 < upgrdman_> R2COM, each read of DR access the next byte of the FIFO, iirc. maybe you're ordering is wrong?
2015-12-04T23:31:21 < upgrdman_> also, if "x" is a shared variable, it should be volatile. might be a caching issue.
2015-12-04T23:33:01 < Roklobsta> I'm awake now.  Stop talking STM32 and get back to the LULZ and squabbles.
2015-12-04T23:33:39 < Laurenceb> and trolling
2015-12-04T23:33:45 < Laurenceb> in lulz we trust
2015-12-04T23:34:17 < Laurenceb> today I designed a wacky absolute pressure sensor
2015-12-04T23:34:35 < Laurenceb> its a block of polycarbonate with a strain gauge glued to it
2015-12-04T23:34:43 < Laurenceb> surely this couldnt actually work...
2015-12-04T23:40:26 < upgrdman_> how is that "absolute" ?
2015-12-04T23:40:56 < Laurenceb> the polycarbonate is compressed
2015-12-04T23:41:05 < Laurenceb> bulk modulus is 4.2GPa
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2015-12-05T02:31:51 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWk1ySW9jVGlyU1E/view?usp=sharing
2015-12-05T02:32:21 < mitrax> no sma :(
2015-12-05T02:34:37 < kakimir> no way this is just simple analog circuits
2015-12-05T02:34:43 < kakimir> no need of smas here
2015-12-05T02:35:36 < kakimir> hey because it's even better to directly solder coax to board
2015-12-05T02:35:42 < kakimir> that small one
2015-12-05T02:36:08 < kakimir> I need to propably make one smaller logo for this
2015-12-05T02:37:24 < Laurenceb> use uFL
2015-12-05T02:37:27 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKblVONHEwbDZJZWs/view?usp=sharing
2015-12-05T02:38:19 < kakimir> I think you could make u.fl to fit that footprint somehow
2015-12-05T02:39:04 < kakimir> but no
2015-12-05T02:39:10 < mitrax> kakimir: i was being sarcastic :p
2015-12-05T02:39:16 < kakimir> maybe
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2015-12-05T03:37:09 < Laurenceb> hmm
2015-12-05T03:37:18 < Laurenceb> think I "invented" the bulk modulus cell
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2015-12-05T04:03:31 < Getty> and suddenly i am not ashamed anymore to have such long delivery times cause of our currently slow production
2015-12-05T04:03:54 < Getty> the teufel piece i need has 6-8 weeks delivery................ yeah ..... right
2015-12-05T04:09:52 < ReadError> dongs
2015-12-05T04:09:52 < ReadError> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2555204
2015-12-05T04:09:56 < ReadError> the future is now
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2015-12-05T04:38:13 < PeterM> mmmmm ccrispy connectors, jsut like my mum used to cook! http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=8483901
2015-12-05T04:42:09 < PeterM> fukken wut 7805!?
2015-12-05T04:42:54 < PeterM> WHAT YEAR IS IT ReadError?
2015-12-05T04:43:01 < ReadError> ya oi theres a lot of wtf in them pics
2015-12-05T04:45:03 < Lux> heh, i would never make such crap public :)
2015-12-05T04:45:06 < Lux> dat soldering
2015-12-05T04:45:27 < ReadError> whats up with all the pwm inputs
2015-12-05T04:45:33 < ReadError> its like, almost 2016
2015-12-05T04:45:47 < Lux> ReadError: btw are there any non rendered pics of that new lux fc you designed ?
2015-12-05T04:50:02 < Laurenceb> anyone here played with ECG electrodes?
2015-12-05T04:50:26 < Laurenceb> I'm planning to make an ECG unit and dont know the first thing about them lol
2015-12-05T04:51:38 < dongs> is zano over yet
2015-12-05T04:52:01 < Laurenceb> probably
2015-12-05T04:52:02 < Laurenceb> http://www.adinstruments.com/sites/default/files/products/prod_MLA0310Web_0.jpg
2015-12-05T04:52:07 < Laurenceb> like wtf are those plugs
2015-12-05T04:52:15 < Laurenceb> left hand side
2015-12-05T04:52:34 < dongs> haha lol @ 7805
2015-12-05T04:52:50 < dongs> also lol @ stonererror cloning that H-retarded design
2015-12-05T04:52:57 < Laurenceb> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/60012649051/Ecg_electrode_manufacturing_china_manufacturer_cable.jpg
2015-12-05T04:53:04 < Laurenceb> arg wtf am I looking at
2015-12-05T04:53:20 < PeterM> Laurenceb, they look liek pressstuds or some shit
2015-12-05T04:53:32 < Laurenceb> so much random proprietary shit
2015-12-05T04:53:45 < Laurenceb> need some sort of connector jack on the datalogger
2015-12-05T04:53:52 < Laurenceb> dunno what to use
2015-12-05T04:53:54 < ReadError> its for those EKG pads
2015-12-05T04:54:13 < Laurenceb> ah
2015-12-05T04:55:44 < Laurenceb> http://ic10.ecvv.com/upload/Product/200801/200x200/200631590939240638_ECG_Cable_and_leadwire_with_Electrodes.jpg
2015-12-05T04:55:59 < Laurenceb> maybe I should use DB-15 or whatever its called
2015-12-05T04:56:19 < Laurenceb> but its a bit cumbersome - this is meant to fit in the saddle of racehorses
2015-12-05T04:56:43 < Laurenceb> what a hideously overcomplex set of cables :-/
2015-12-05T05:03:02 < PeterM> i wodner if you could use some micro coax connectors with micro coax cables
2015-12-05T05:03:35 < Laurenceb> interesting idea
2015-12-05T05:03:55 < Laurenceb> the eventual plan is a ten electrode capacitive system built into the saddle
2015-12-05T05:04:04 < Laurenceb> but thats going to take a ton of work :-S
2015-12-05T05:04:30 < Laurenceb> initial device will be off the shelf electrodes and a shaver to take the fur off
2015-12-05T05:04:46 < Laurenceb> in b4 i get kicked by a horse
2015-12-05T05:05:30 < PeterM> lol
2015-12-05T05:05:58 < PeterM> also, if u.FL looks too weak something lime MMCX might be viable
2015-12-05T05:06:25 < Laurenceb> guess I'll go for DA-15 as it seems to be available on ebay and this is a prototype
2015-12-05T05:06:38 < Laurenceb> should be durable enough for horsey people to use it
2015-12-05T05:06:48 < Laurenceb> they tend to smash everything
2015-12-05T05:07:29 < PeterM> speakign of "horsey people" - do they seem weirder than normal poeple? i live in the country and anyone who ive met who owns horses or rides horses is fuckin weird
2015-12-05T05:07:42 < Laurenceb> hahaha
2015-12-05T05:07:48 < Laurenceb> yes def in the UK
2015-12-05T05:08:26 < ReadError> PeterM I hate horse people
2015-12-05T05:08:28 < ReadError> and horses
2015-12-05T05:08:34 < Laurenceb> haha me too
2015-12-05T05:08:35 < ReadError> horse people are so fucking creepy
2015-12-05T05:08:43 < ReadError> they think their horses are also people
2015-12-05T05:08:43 < Laurenceb> glorified cows
2015-12-05T05:08:55 < Laurenceb> they just eat grass and shit it out
2015-12-05T05:09:11 < PeterM> yeah, i hate horse people too
2015-12-05T05:09:19 < PeterM> horses are only good for glue and sausages
2015-12-05T05:09:35 < Laurenceb> but who cares, they pay me silly money to make a saddle with ECG, GPS and ISM band datalink
2015-12-05T05:09:45 < PeterM> true
2015-12-05T05:10:03 < Laurenceb> they are usually filthy rich :D
2015-12-05T05:10:33 < PeterM> you know whats also rideable and fun, but is qway better than a horse? a fucking motorbiker
2015-12-05T05:10:50 < PeterM> put fuel in and it'll go for hundreds of km
2015-12-05T05:10:57 < PeterM> and wont complain
2015-12-05T05:10:58 < Laurenceb> yup
2015-12-05T05:11:22 < PeterM> put it in the shed and forget about it for a month, it wont die
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2015-12-05T05:11:29 < Laurenceb> maybe I could add a fold out dashboard with a horse diagnostics display
2015-12-05T05:12:40 < Laurenceb> http://www.ti.com/apps/docs/viewdevices.tsp?blockDiagramId=6163&blockId=12415&designOptionId=16105&appId=464
2015-12-05T05:12:42 < Laurenceb> ^nice
2015-12-05T05:14:56  * Laurenceb zzz
2015-12-05T05:18:02 < PeterM> should poll to change "ECG" to "meat oscilloscope"
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2015-12-05T05:37:02 < dongs> fuck google, hard https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=566284
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2015-12-05T06:03:48 < ReadError> Dateline.AU.2015.11.10.Chinas.Gay.Shock.Therapy.720p.HDTV.x264-WaLMaRT  lol
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2015-12-05T06:49:56 < IvanVl> Hello! I want to move from arduino to stm32. Are there any books or tutorials you could recommend? I already have a stm32f401 and stm32f429 discovery.
2015-12-05T06:55:57 < Roklobsta> ask jadew he made the transition a while back
2015-12-05T07:05:24 < IvanVl> jadew: Could you tell me your secret?
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2015-12-05T07:14:24 < Roklobsta> let him wake up 1st
2015-12-05T07:17:11 < PaulFertser> IvanVl: try https://github.com/gnuarmeclipse . Forget about arduino. Just read the chip datasheet (and reference manual) and the source code of whatever library you'll be using.
2015-12-05T07:18:32 < jadew> I just woke up
2015-12-05T07:18:49 < jadew> IvanVl + Roklobsta, I was never into arduino
2015-12-05T07:18:52 < jadew> only AVR
2015-12-05T07:18:58 < PaulFertser> IvanVl: or you can just use mbed.org but that's as sick as arduino I guess.
2015-12-05T07:19:12 < PaulFertser> jadew: did you use any RTOS on AVR?
2015-12-05T07:19:16 < jadew> no
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2015-12-05T07:19:29 < PaulFertser> I used FreeRTOS, and it was just fine.
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2015-12-05T07:19:59 < jadew> everything I did was bare metal so switching from reading one sort of datasheets to other sort of datasheets was fairly painless
2015-12-05T07:20:20 < jadew> everything is the same :P
2015-12-05T07:20:51 < PaulFertser> jadew: you have to admit e.g. the interrupt system is not properly explained in the stm32 manuals, to really learn everything one needs I had to dig plenty of ARM docs too.
2015-12-05T07:21:04 < jadew> oh, right
2015-12-05T07:21:10 < jadew> I remember struggling with that
2015-12-05T07:21:14 < jadew> zyp, was of great help there
2015-12-05T07:21:23 < jadew> no comma
2015-12-05T07:22:14 < PaulFertser> IvanVl: so basically RTFM + do not trust any code from ST.
2015-12-05T07:22:36 < Roklobsta> stm code ia a guide only
2015-12-05T07:22:38 < Roklobsta> is
2015-12-05T07:23:04 < jadew> yeah, I used it for reference
2015-12-05T07:23:13 < jadew> when things didn't work out
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2015-12-05T08:34:21 < mtbg> or perhaps lack of individualism
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2015-12-05T08:37:46 < mtbg> people lacking individualism, who only can feel some relief when indentifing with a group with strong and/or controversial opinions, also usually lack ability to plan and drive actions that can increase general living standards
2015-12-05T08:38:20 < mtbg> they are driven by anger and discomfort
2015-12-05T08:39:06 < mtbg> to do various pointless things just because no other perspecitves
2015-12-05T08:40:00 < mtbg> very visible in nationalist groups
2015-12-05T08:43:58 < mtbg> if gay marriage is an issue for someone, I feel sorry for him
2015-12-05T08:44:35 < ReadError> lol why do you care if 2 dudes want to get married ?
2015-12-05T08:44:58 < ReadError> not like its hurting you R2COM
2015-12-05T08:45:20 < mtbg> maybe except that we could have better and more convinient mechanisms
2015-12-05T08:45:44 < mtbg> that something derived directly from religion businesses
2015-12-05T08:46:26 < emeb_mac> queerfear correlates strongly with uncertainty of one's own sexuality
2015-12-05T08:46:31 < mtbg> to let someone chose people he trust so that they can get medical information in case of emergency
2015-12-05T08:46:50 < mtbg> and to share property after his death
2015-12-05T08:48:59 < ReadError> gonna be funny if R2COM moves to sanfran
2015-12-05T08:49:09 < ReadError> maybe he will end up in castro district
2015-12-05T08:51:35 < mtbg> the very same lack of individualism with identifying with strong-opinion based group is the thing that lies behind religious extremists
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2015-12-05T08:55:50 < mtbg> they are so much ripped from their ID, that it leaves them with strong ego and hence unbearable existential anxiety, in which only thing they rely on is their religion
2015-12-05T08:56:37 < mtbg> they feel just like metaphysical play things of god and that everyone else is also
2015-12-05T08:57:44 < mtbg> it is just mental fuck up
2015-12-05T08:57:59 < mtbg> I don
2015-12-05T08:58:15 < mtbg> 't know why people resist to be direct in calling it what it is
2015-12-05T08:59:13 < mtbg> and either someone very smart has developed it, or, more likely, someone mentally fucked up managed to serialize his mental fuck up into human readable form
2015-12-05T08:59:26 < mtbg> so that others also can fuck themselves up
2015-12-05T09:00:29 < mtbg> it has positive feedback mechanisms, like a schmitt trigger, but psychological
2015-12-05T09:13:57 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZvCgSmV9JA
2015-12-05T09:14:01 < ReadError> do russians really do this
2015-12-05T09:15:17 < ReadError> thing still has teeth though
2015-12-05T09:15:18 < ReadError> fuck that
2015-12-05T09:15:46 < ReadError> well yea obviously
2015-12-05T09:15:54 < ReadError> but im sure it could still mess up a kid
2015-12-05T09:17:33 < ReadError> so they just keep bears chained up?
2015-12-05T09:19:01 < mtbg> are nylon coats obligatory in Russia?
2015-12-05T09:19:51 < mtbg> and also pants, sometimes
2015-12-05T09:21:11 < mtbg> :>
2015-12-05T09:22:55 < mtbg> I'm just kidding
2015-12-05T09:23:46 < mtbg> the last thing I would be willing to do is to attack someone online without any reason
2015-12-05T09:24:08 < IvanVl> Look at the year...
2015-12-05T09:24:35 < IvanVl> Now it's almost totally different
2015-12-05T09:29:50 < mtbg> yep, unfortunately
2015-12-05T09:34:04 < mtbg> when internet was used in large extent mostly by outsiders, there was mostly peace and bidirectional respect, with a few exceptions
2015-12-05T09:34:18 < mtbg> I think social media hurt it the most
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2015-12-05T09:59:59 < dongs> https://blog.bolt.io/kickstarter-is-debt-e3b6a70ce180#.nc4rxhdfq
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2015-12-05T10:45:33 < jubatus> http://nypost.com/2015/11/27/people-having-sex-with-horses-is-on-the-rise-in-switzerland/
2015-12-05T10:46:23 < PeterM> *insert mr hands joke here*
2015-12-05T10:46:57 < jubatus> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2387/has-1-in-8-people-had-sex-with-an-animal
2015-12-05T10:49:18 < PeterM> charming
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2015-12-05T10:51:23  * jubatus is reading up on african-american forums about white people and zoophilia.
2015-12-05T10:52:21 < PeterM> im surethere is a racist joke here somewhere
2015-12-05T10:52:59 < jubatus> apparently black people don't do such things. zoophilia seems to be exclusively a thing for white people.
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2015-12-05T10:59:33 < dongs> haha
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2015-12-05T11:17:16 < ReadError> dongs, from LRH blogger: "some of you guys are allright, stay away from freenode tomorrow"
2015-12-05T11:40:10 < Steffanx> what tomorrow is th at ReadError?
2015-12-05T11:40:54 < ReadError> i suppose 'today' iduno
2015-12-05T11:41:01 < ReadError> was seeing if dongs knew
2015-12-05T11:43:19 < Steffanx> "<kakimir> no need of smas here" lol kakimir :D
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2015-12-05T13:38:55 < ReadError> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5vQS8oGgamQ/VmCud_jl0LI/AAAAAAAAPzI/jtD9wXJUmuY/s1600/IMG_1853%2B%25281%2529.JPG
2015-12-05T13:38:57 < ReadError> oh my
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2015-12-05T13:48:25 < jubatus> ? sharpie cut solder mask ?
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2015-12-05T13:53:27 < ReadError> 3d printed
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2015-12-05T13:57:28 < Steffanx> :D
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2015-12-05T14:07:45 < PeterM> ReadError, i think thats the single ugliest thing ive ever seen, and ive seen laurenceb
2015-12-05T14:08:08 < ReadError> haha
2015-12-05T14:08:22 < ReadError> im all for saving a few bucks but some stuff is a bit excessive
2015-12-05T14:09:02 < PeterM> an hour of my time costs more than a stencil, so i buy a stencil nad dont fuck aroudn for an hour
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2015-12-05T14:13:52 < Steffanx> Hobby hours are paid PeterM?
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2015-12-05T14:39:54 < ReadError> ole dick-n-place bout ready to slang some parts
2015-12-05T14:40:13 < ReadError> both nozzles setup, top/bottom vision working, position accuracy great
2015-12-05T14:40:28 < ReadError> just need to wire solenoids
2015-12-05T14:57:30 < PeterM> Steffanx, nah, innovating electronics doesnt pay that well, but work on the farm certainly does.
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2015-12-05T15:30:00 < PeterM> Steffanx, where abotus are you from?
2015-12-05T15:33:57 < Steffanx> Dutchland PeterM.
2015-12-05T15:34:37 < PeterM> michael jacksons house?
2015-12-05T15:35:05 < Steffanx> No more this little country in europe where they talk dutch.
2015-12-05T15:35:36 < PeterM> are to the neverland ranch
2015-12-05T15:35:42 < PeterM> *netherlands
2015-12-05T15:39:30 < PeterM> do you guys have agriculture in the netherlands?
2015-12-05T15:39:40 < PeterM> or is it too cold?
2015-12-05T15:40:18 < Steffanx> We do have a pretty large agriculture.
2015-12-05T15:40:37 < Steffanx> Especially in the region i live
2015-12-05T15:41:46 < Steffanx> and for tomatoes (and flowers etc.) we have greenhouses.
2015-12-05T15:41:59 < PeterM> livestock or cultivated crops?
2015-12-05T15:42:48 < englishman> just tulips and marijuana
2015-12-05T15:43:17 < Steffanx> marijuana grows somewhere else englishman
2015-12-05T15:43:28 < Steffanx> with special lights etc. :P
2015-12-05T15:43:33 < englishman> just tulips and cheese.
2015-12-05T15:43:41 < PeterM> it grows pretty well round these here parts
2015-12-05T15:45:11 < PeterM> what other vegetable crops aside from tomatoes do you have?
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2015-12-05T16:47:56 < Steffanx> you can better ask, what we dont have.
2015-12-05T16:48:12 < Steffanx> but im not much into farming and stuff
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2015-12-05T16:51:08 < Laurenceb> only weed farming amiright
2015-12-05T16:52:31 < Steffanx> For export, sure.
2015-12-05T17:01:46 < englishman> just tulips and cheese.
2015-12-05T17:01:53 < englishman> fff sry
2015-12-05T17:05:02 < Steffanx> "canuck"
2015-12-05T17:07:55 < Laurenceb> don't turn into flyback, please
2015-12-05T17:07:58 < Laurenceb> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38577.msg1452541#msg1452541
2015-12-05T17:15:30 < Laurenceb> Blah blah blah Conservation of Momentum (CoM) blah blah blah and I think that blah blah blah CoM because this is what I think, blah blah blah
2015-12-05T17:15:35 < Laurenceb> lolz
2015-12-05T17:16:08 < Laurenceb> they are finally getting trolled
2015-12-05T17:26:34 < Sync> wut
2015-12-05T17:26:34 < Getty> i think my android knows that i have enough money to buy a new one, cause it starts running like shit since some days......
2015-12-05T17:27:54 < Laurenceb> built in obsolescence
2015-12-05T17:30:49 < Getty> yeah, i thought thats just a thing with apple ;)
2015-12-05T17:31:04 < Sync> they are a computing device, so eh, moore applies to them
2015-12-05T17:31:30 < Getty> i dont recall moore saying anything about "untouched" computers ;) he also didnt said anything about the "required computer power" ;-)
2015-12-05T17:31:53 < Getty> they trick around the moore law!
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2015-12-05T17:57:39 < ReadError> Insert a small straight screwdriver into the slot at the power socket and prize out the fuse seat gently.
2015-12-05T17:59:05 < Laurenceb> thats what she said
2015-12-05T18:01:07 < ReadError> back n business
2015-12-05T18:01:13 < ReadError> dont solder shit when psu on
2015-12-05T18:08:17 < englishman> thermaldonics isnt dc blocking?
2015-12-05T18:09:30 < ReadError> i duno it happened so fastly
2015-12-05T18:09:51 < ReadError> psu shutoff, fuse was fine, turned back on after i put it back in
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2015-12-05T19:18:52 < Getty> i really think it would be a funny idea to make a movie about a developer who also goes back in time every day, so all his code he made over the day is not there anymore
2015-12-05T19:20:03 < Getty> of course concentrating on the psychological terror this situation would be!
2015-12-05T19:21:15 < Getty> and in the end he realizes that its not about what code he can write "in a day", no, its more about how many bugfixes he can supply for the rest!
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2015-12-05T20:03:37 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/c4NVNHn.gifv
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2015-12-05T20:04:29 < MightyPork> if anyone remembers me asking about SCPI, I've now made my own SCPI parser - https://github.com/MightyPork/scpi_parser not 100% complete, but works and could be useful
2015-12-05T20:06:24 < Laurenceb> new work product
2015-12-05T20:06:26 < Laurenceb> http://www.monicahealthcare.com/Monica_Healthcare/media/Monica/Products%20Sheets/Novii-Specification-Sheet-A4-revA.pdf
2015-12-05T20:06:32 < Laurenceb> facepalming at page 6
2015-12-05T20:10:14 < Getty> Laurenceb: hahaha, a friend once actually tried to bring me in for a similar device for a british university, was just too hard sadly to bring in a german contractor
2015-12-05T20:10:40 < Getty> just not for labor specific was more like general
2015-12-05T20:10:52 < Getty> the medicine world wants to be connected now!
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2015-12-05T20:17:13 < upgrdman> http://gfycat.com/IgnorantLeftIndri
2015-12-05T20:17:52 < Getty> "kill me... kill me!!"
2015-12-05T20:18:23 < mtbg> "kill me, I'm in constant pain"
2015-12-05T20:19:16 < mtbg> https://scontent-waw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/1526345_707441895966280_1744319359_n.jpg?oh=7901f9d4d9152a80ed3f2b5a3a0ca6a0&oe=56F1CB3F
2015-12-05T20:19:30 < Getty> so THATS where all the pandas go
2015-12-05T20:21:30 < Laurenceb> I was not responsible for page 6
2015-12-05T20:21:34 < Laurenceb> those graphs...
2015-12-05T20:22:12 < mtbg> wow
2015-12-05T20:22:20 < mtbg> raster, low resolution jpeg
2015-12-05T20:22:33 < mtbg> can one do even worse in PDF?
2015-12-05T20:23:26 < Getty> comic sans is always the worst.... no matter what
2015-12-05T20:23:53 < mtbg> but the product looks pro
2015-12-05T20:24:25 < mtbg> is the interface just regular rebranded tablet?
2015-12-05T20:24:33 < mtbg> or was it developed at that company?
2015-12-05T20:25:46 < Laurenceb> mtbg: it doesnt exist yet :P
2015-12-05T20:25:56 < Getty> \o/
2015-12-05T20:26:10 < Laurenceb> thats a rendering
2015-12-05T20:26:14 < mtbg> oh ok
2015-12-05T20:26:36 < mtbg> you are responsible for developing it?
2015-12-05T20:26:51 < Laurenceb> no I do low level embedded stuff
2015-12-05T20:27:07 < Laurenceb> it'll probably be a rebranded fandroid tablet
2015-12-05T20:27:08 < Getty> i love those stacked product developments ;)
2015-12-05T20:27:14 < Getty> one layer fucks up, complete product shit ;)
2015-12-05T20:28:01 < Getty> at the opponent company you have to make 10< steps and external wire to update the firmware of a network connected product....
2015-12-05T20:29:09 < mtbg> scientific equipment almost always has serious issues on at least one of the levels
2015-12-05T20:29:16 < mtbg> most frequently software
2015-12-05T20:29:31 < Getty> yeah
2015-12-05T20:29:54 < Getty> the only good thing if all layers really work tight together
2015-12-05T20:29:57 < Getty> as i did with my dad
2015-12-05T20:30:09 < Getty> i envisioned the software, he made the required hardware possible
2015-12-05T20:30:25 < mtbg> some optical filter changing wheel from thorlabs, which only responsibility is to rotate a wheel with filters and to close and open a shutter when pressing button on the device or commanding it using usb
2015-12-05T20:30:35 < Getty> he was even so blindly following my hardware requirement that at first he connected the "reset button" i wanted to the ACTUAL reset of the ARM ;)
2015-12-05T20:30:46 < mtbg> has had ft232 inside which sent commands from usb to the mcu
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2015-12-05T20:31:04 < mtbg> and the commands were of constant length of 6 bytes
2015-12-05T20:31:14 < mtbg> without any synchronisation or communication reset mechanism
2015-12-05T20:31:28 < mtbg> so that, if you reboot windows pc with the device connected
2015-12-05T20:31:30 < Laurenceb> haha I've seen similar mistakes
2015-12-05T20:31:37 < mtbg> the chip receives some garbage
2015-12-05T20:31:43 < mtbg> and you have broken communication
2015-12-05T20:31:47 < Getty> hehe
2015-12-05T20:31:47 < mtbg> no way to reset it
2015-12-05T20:31:52 < Getty> noobs!
2015-12-05T20:31:57 < mtbg> only disconnection power manually
2015-12-05T20:32:00 < Laurenceb> I use re-purposed TSIP protocol on work stuff
2015-12-05T20:32:05 < mtbg> disconnecting
2015-12-05T20:32:11 < mtbg> and then reconnecting it
2015-12-05T20:33:56 < mtbg> or the omnipresent scpi stuff
2015-12-05T20:34:43 < mtbg> which is from the times people had no idea what is the direction of technological progress
2015-12-05T20:34:52 < mtbg> and hence is human, and just human readable
2015-12-05T20:35:14 < mtbg> to make you software work with different devices you always have to manually check supported commands
2015-12-05T20:35:26 < mtbg> data format and argument format
2015-12-05T20:35:35 < mtbg> and then implement it
2015-12-05T20:35:43 < upgrdman> found r2com: http://imgur.com/lJLtFpw
2015-12-05T20:35:47 < mtbg> and you don't know how fast will the device respond
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2015-12-05T20:40:16 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/u6twDHe.gifv
2015-12-05T20:43:40 < mtbg> natural protein
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2015-12-05T20:45:12 < mtbg> still not the worst she could do with it
2015-12-05T20:45:20 < mtbg> she cound place it on the other seat
2015-12-05T20:45:52 < mtbg> could
2015-12-05T20:50:14 < upgrdman> seems like fun but super risky  http://i.imgur.com/EBNfr4f.gifv
2015-12-05T20:51:45 < Getty> wait another new raspberry? the pi 2 b ? <getsconfused>
2015-12-05T20:52:05 < Getty> i thought the pi 2 was already the pi 2 b, why there is now a "new" option with the pi 2 b? those dudes drive me crazy
2015-12-05T20:55:59 < upgrdman> link?
2015-12-05T20:56:55 < Laurenceb> omg
2015-12-05T20:56:59 < Laurenceb> RMS found a wife
2015-12-05T20:59:44 < Getty> upgrdman: amazon.de http://www.amazon.de/Raspberry-Mainboard-Sockel-Quad-core-Cortex-A7/dp/B00T2U7R7I/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1449339528&sr=1-1&keywords=Raspberry+Pi+2
2015-12-05T20:59:58 < Getty> upgrdman: you see the picker down thre the [NEU] means NEW
2015-12-05T21:00:12 < Getty> you see clearly Raspberry Pi 2 and [NEU] Raspberry Pi 2 Model B
2015-12-05T21:00:18 < Getty> so i am officially confused
2015-12-05T21:00:24 < Getty> again....
2015-12-05T21:00:28 < Getty> 8-)
2015-12-05T21:02:01 < upgrdman> hm
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2015-12-05T21:13:14 < Lux> Getty: that's extactly the same thing
2015-12-05T21:13:29 < Lux> *exactly
2015-12-05T21:15:00 < Steffanx> that php to generate the erro stuff MightyPork :P
2015-12-05T21:15:48 < MightyPork> using what I know best xD
2015-12-05T21:16:48 < MightyPork> also I just released v0.0.2, almost ready to try on hardware
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2015-12-05T21:21:13 < Getty> Lux: yeah then it would all make sense again cause then its just stupid sell people distracting users
2015-12-05T21:21:31 < Lux> yep
2015-12-05T21:22:17 < Lux> at least they finally managed to get full support for the rpi in the latest linux kernel
2015-12-05T21:22:39 < Lux> finally no more dev/mem hacking
2015-12-05T21:23:25 < Getty> i must say, pretty hard to care about that element, i stay away from compiling rpi kernel..... that thing is so fragile.....
2015-12-05T21:23:34 < Getty> i am scared ;)
2015-12-05T21:23:42 < Getty> already destroyed enough of them by hardware
2015-12-05T21:25:50 < upgrdman> youve ruined ras pis?
2015-12-05T21:27:23 < Getty> yes
2015-12-05T21:27:25 < Getty> in masses
2015-12-05T21:27:39 < Getty> well... 4 or 5 overall
2015-12-05T21:28:00 < upgrdman> wtf are you doing? pluggings mains ac into the GPIOs?
2015-12-05T21:28:04 < Getty> i would say half of that is fault of the power supply since that i only buy very good ones
2015-12-05T21:28:08 < Getty> hehehe
2015-12-05T21:28:10 < Getty> no
2015-12-05T21:28:20 < Getty> but you can fuckup pretty good with powered USB and bad devices
2015-12-05T21:28:26 < Getty> i have a raspberry pi killer USB network stick
2015-12-05T21:28:35 < Getty> stick it in and the thing gets burning hot
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2015-12-05T21:29:15 < ReadError> I thought people just rpis and keep them in the box
2015-12-05T21:42:44 < Laurenceb> do they even have graphics support yet?
2015-12-05T21:42:47 < Laurenceb> for the desktop
2015-12-05T21:43:52 < jpa-> ReadError: you accidentally the whole rpi
2015-12-05T21:46:28 < Getty> i also cant understand why people actually like rpis... its definitly NOT a good media box.....
2015-12-05T21:46:34 < Getty> every 100 EUR laptop is better
2015-12-05T21:46:58 < Getty> if you dont need the GPIO...... get a real PC! ;)
2015-12-05T21:49:15 < Laurenceb> shit getting Desmonded here
2015-12-05T21:50:54 < Steffanx> Is that some friend of yours Harry?
2015-12-05T21:52:22 < Ecco> Getty: small form factor, low power usage, cheaper than $100?
2015-12-05T21:52:25 < Laurenceb> its a tropical storm or some shit like that
2015-12-05T21:52:49 < Getty> Ecco: well yeah ok there are some more border cases of places where power is rare
2015-12-05T21:52:56 < Getty> Ecco: i know its good for the general ecosystem, dont get me wrong here
2015-12-05T21:53:13 < Getty> Ecco: but everyone in a modern civilized country with a big power supply in his home, wants to  use a raspberry pi as his media center
2015-12-05T21:53:18 < Getty> Ecco: that is more my..... problem
2015-12-05T21:53:42 < Steffanx> All mine does is doing my irc server.
2015-12-05T21:53:49 < Steffanx> it does that well enough
2015-12-05T21:53:53 < Getty> thats "reasonable"..... weird but reasonable ;)
2015-12-05T21:53:54 < Steffanx> irc client *
2015-12-05T21:54:00 < Steffanx> not server.
2015-12-05T21:54:07 < Getty> well both would be reasonable
2015-12-05T21:54:11 < Getty> if oyu have internal IRC network
2015-12-05T21:54:19 < Getty> putting that on an own box makes sense
2015-12-05T21:54:29 < Getty> and there indeed the low price of a pi makes it interesting
2015-12-05T21:55:00 < Steffanx> I have to old rpi though. The first batch of rpi B.
2015-12-05T21:55:18 < Steffanx> with "only" 128MB ram
2015-12-05T21:55:24 < Steffanx> hi mr R2COM.
2015-12-05T21:57:10 < Ecco> Well
2015-12-05T21:57:15 < Ecco> I use my RPi as a mediacenter
2015-12-05T21:57:25 < Ecco> believe it or not, it replaced a Core2Duo computer
2015-12-05T21:57:41 < Ecco> Which couldn't decode H.264 in 1080p
2015-12-05T21:57:56 < Ecco> The RPi (first model) does it without dropping a single frame
2015-12-05T21:58:18 < Ecco> and the setup was butter smooth : download image, copy to SD card, plug, run
2015-12-05T21:58:27 < Ecco> Running XBMC on Debian is painful
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2015-12-05T22:13:41 < Steffanx> ReadError where is this "freenode happening" ?
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2015-12-05T22:18:10 < Getty> everytime i see them i want them so badly, no idea when to actually use it, but who cares... http://www.amazon.de/Getac-X500G2-Mobile-Server-Intel/dp/B00KXB5Y16/ref=sr_1_4
2015-12-05T22:19:06 < Getty> yes
2015-12-05T22:19:11 < Getty> mobile server is a thing
2015-12-05T22:19:37 < Getty> i think half of that is just the casing
2015-12-05T22:20:16 < Getty> lol
2015-12-05T22:21:34 < Getty> i think what hits the price here is the amount of production
2015-12-05T22:22:00 < Getty> i bet there is even a real non-chinese human touching all parts
2015-12-05T22:22:02 < Getty> ;)
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2015-12-05T22:23:18 < Laurenceb> fapfapfap
2015-12-05T22:23:20 < Getty> then it would be 15000EUR
2015-12-05T22:23:24 < Getty> and pink
2015-12-05T22:23:34 < Getty> and comes with a hello kitten sticker
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2015-12-05T22:24:36 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/OofD7EY.gifv
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2015-12-05T22:32:32 < Getty> what you mean?
2015-12-05T22:33:28 < Getty> oh i am a bit mixed ;) i mean i do mainly software for cloud and web, but on the other side i am making those electronic products with my dad
2015-12-05T22:33:31 < Getty> LED controlling
2015-12-05T22:33:58 < Getty> and i am still amazed how easy it was to make a surpreme product against the opponent
2015-12-05T22:34:05 < Getty> still we dont build a facotry, they do ;) FML
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2015-12-05T22:48:42 < mitrax> Getty: what kind of controllers?
2015-12-05T22:48:49 < mitrax> (hi btw)
2015-12-05T22:49:18 < Getty> aquaristic is the target group mainly
2015-12-05T22:49:26 < Getty> but can be used for anything where oyu need daycycles
2015-12-05T22:49:53 < mitrax> is that for fish tanks?
2015-12-05T22:49:57 < Getty> yes
2015-12-05T22:51:46 < mitrax> nice :)
2015-12-05T22:53:31 < Getty> well its a bit shitty as its competing against china shit
2015-12-05T22:54:07 < Getty> higher price is no option
2015-12-05T22:54:27 < Getty> but we had a review in an online blog some time ago
2015-12-05T22:54:32 < Getty> not one complain :-P
2015-12-05T22:54:44 < Getty> more like "Outstanding" on every single review position
2015-12-05T22:56:02 < Getty> http://imgur.com/a/kMUfu this is btw our "direct opponent"
2015-12-05T22:56:46 < mitrax> uglyyyy
2015-12-05T22:58:20 < Getty> http://imgur.com/a/wQM1h && http://imgur.com/a/5Q9ZH are our products
2015-12-05T23:00:19 < mitrax> neat :)
2015-12-05T23:00:40 < Getty> making an interface with just an encoder and a LCD display was fascinating experience
2015-12-05T23:00:47 < Getty> dont wanna miss that
2015-12-05T23:00:57 < Getty> i even added funny eastereggs
2015-12-05T23:01:16 < Getty> like when you really wanna reset the device to factory, then he asks you _5_ times if you REALLY wanna do it
2015-12-05T23:01:38 < mitrax> brb
2015-12-05T23:01:41 < Getty> R2COM: on a market flooded with chinese shit, that is actually a selling point ;)
2015-12-05T23:01:52 < Getty> if you have the CE messuring devices at home? 0 EUR ;)
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2015-12-05T23:02:06 < Getty> my dad once had a CE laboratory
2015-12-05T23:05:19 < Getty> on the sunriser 4 yes
2015-12-05T23:06:05 < Getty> at first my dad wanted to use the atxmega... but damn that shit thing is annoying in code and he also picked the one that isbroken int he atmel lib
2015-12-05T23:06:09 < Getty> so now its just atmega64
2015-12-05T23:07:18 < Steffanx> stm32 is overrated uh?
2015-12-05T23:07:25 < Laurenceb> yeah avr wtf
2015-12-05T23:07:33 < Laurenceb> or arduino if you are really pro
2015-12-05T23:07:41 < kakimir> stm32 is overrated
2015-12-05T23:08:00 < Getty> as far as i remember the decision was fast made cause of the additional requirements for voltage conversion
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2015-12-05T23:32:26 < Getty> oookkkk so we are at 8TB already?.....
2015-12-05T23:32:30 < Getty> that shit is going way too fast
2015-12-05T23:32:45 < kakimir> sup bubba
2015-12-05T23:33:09 < kakimir> Getty: prepare for machines taking over the world
2015-12-05T23:33:16 < Getty> soon!
2015-12-05T23:34:23 < kakimir> would this kind of rocketship rise of technology have been possible without.. the machine itself?
2015-12-05T23:35:28 < kakimir> working not aside of human - but for it's own dawn
2015-12-05T23:35:51 < Laurenceb> there are 10TB SMR drives
2015-12-05T23:36:59 < kakimir> when there is that magnetic race track stuff available?
2015-12-05T23:37:13 < Laurenceb> https://www.hgst.com/products/hard-drives/ultrastar-archive-ha10
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2015-12-05T23:53:42 < kakimir> how can spi cause problems?
2015-12-05T23:57:43 < GargantuaSauce> what is dummy
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2015-12-06T00:05:37 < Laurenceb> I just used DMA for spi
2015-12-06T00:05:42 < Laurenceb> silly overkill but shrug
2015-12-06T00:06:06 < Laurenceb> isnt there some buffering when you do it that way?
2015-12-06T00:06:18 < Laurenceb> maybe you already explained lol
2015-12-06T00:06:21 < Laurenceb> ok
2015-12-06T00:07:18 < Laurenceb> oh wait I have some codez
2015-12-06T00:07:19 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/Silabs/si446x.c
2015-12-06T00:07:22 < Laurenceb> line 618
2015-12-06T00:09:05 < __rob> R2COM, DR gets cleared after you read it i think
2015-12-06T00:09:08 < __rob> your not reading it twice ?
2015-12-06T00:10:22 < __rob> you checked the bus ?
2015-12-06T00:10:33 < __rob> scope
2015-12-06T00:10:34 < __rob> on the lines
2015-12-06T00:10:46 < __rob> see if your miso has data on it
2015-12-06T00:10:52 < __rob> ohh
2015-12-06T00:11:27 < __rob> all your config then right
2015-12-06T00:11:28 < __rob> ?
2015-12-06T00:11:38 < __rob> correct pin assignments
2015-12-06T00:11:40 < __rob> etc..
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2015-12-06T00:12:24 < __rob> yes, but doesn't mean your miso is correct, just because the other end is driving the line
2015-12-06T00:13:30 < __rob> yea, so you send a byte and you see the correct value on the logic analyser
2015-12-06T00:13:39 < __rob> returned from the slave
2015-12-06T00:14:29 < __rob> so check you have the correct setup on the miso line
2015-12-06T00:15:31 < __rob> master in, slave out
2015-12-06T00:15:52 < __rob> so make sure that your stm32 configuration of that is correct
2015-12-06T00:17:07 < __rob> no, the gpio's
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2015-12-06T00:18:38 < __rob> thats nonsense
2015-12-06T00:18:53 < __rob> if you didn't configure the input for spi on your stm32
2015-12-06T00:18:58 < __rob> the other end can still drive the line
2015-12-06T00:19:02 < __rob> and toggle it
2015-12-06T00:19:12 < __rob> so your logic analyser would see the result
2015-12-06T00:19:41 < __rob> ohh, assumed you had something like sallee on the lines
2015-12-06T00:20:02 < __rob> ahh right
2015-12-06T00:20:37 < __rob> is the IDE breaking it?
2015-12-06T00:20:45 < __rob> reading DR directly, clearing it so your code then reads it empty
2015-12-06T00:27:30 < __rob> yea, ok, just tried it, DR doesn't get cleared just the RXNE flag
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2015-12-06T00:36:30 < __rob> 16 bit mode and reading the wrong byte maybe ?
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2015-12-06T00:39:58 < MightyPork> --btw the SCPI thing I showed earlier, now tested it on my Nucleo for a wave generator & it works!
2015-12-06T00:44:15 < __rob> well it does, if x has the right value ?
2015-12-06T00:54:31 < Getty> chappie is BRUTAL
2015-12-06T01:12:14 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/gamergatehq/src/1447920769246-4.jpg
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2015-12-06T01:54:05 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKdHpIQmVOZUtGRU0&usp=sharing vias are getting intense
2015-12-06T01:57:07 < Laurenceb> they werent already
2015-12-06T01:57:33 < Laurenceb> omg its an opamp breakout
2015-12-06T01:57:38 < Laurenceb> most complex pcb ever
2015-12-06T01:58:27 < kakimir> it is
2015-12-06T01:59:50 < kakimir> it's starting to fuk my brain as it's to be finished
2015-12-06T01:59:58 < kakimir> I need another board easy start
2015-12-06T02:00:00 < Laurenceb> grr why does javascript keep killing firefox
2015-12-06T02:00:07 < Laurenceb> firefox is so full of fail
2015-12-06T02:00:34 < kakimir> don't know last time I used ff it was version 14 or so
2015-12-06T02:00:46 < kakimir> now its like 59.7
2015-12-06T02:00:58 < Laurenceb> I'm using an old version
2015-12-06T02:01:08 < Laurenceb> maybe some new javascript fail is killing it
2015-12-06T02:01:12 < kakimir> year from now it's version 2076.45
2015-12-06T02:02:54 < kakimir> do you use db-9 connector for can :|
2015-12-06T02:04:01 < kakimir> that's mad
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2015-12-06T02:18:06 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GGyBErDJnQ music times
2015-12-06T02:20:10 < dongs> err wat
2015-12-06T02:21:07 < kakimir> ears melt
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2015-12-06T02:28:12 < mitrax> kakimir: that's not music
2015-12-06T02:28:50 < kakimir> it's noise
2015-12-06T02:29:23 < kakimir> but yeah I stoped already listening
2015-12-06T02:30:46 < kakimir> new board idea - done
2015-12-06T02:30:54 < kakimir> can tranceiver breakout!
2015-12-06T02:32:12 < kakimir> https://youtu.be/JKPiUpgvwqA?t=3m pause it there
2015-12-06T02:33:01 < kakimir> so sad
2015-12-06T02:33:42 < mitrax> soon there will be an app that tells you when to take a shit
2015-12-06T02:34:58 < kakimir> not only app
2015-12-06T02:35:44 < mitrax> mmh
2015-12-06T02:35:50 < mitrax> brown noise is really relaxing
2015-12-06T02:35:53 < mitrax> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSaJXDsb3N8
2015-12-06T02:36:19 < kakimir> but as a makeshift prototype there is rectum sond that is whole full size arduino wrapped in condom
2015-12-06T02:36:30 < mitrax> kakimir: ahahaha
2015-12-06T02:47:51 < kakimir> http://www.freescale.com/products/analog-power-management/transceivers/can-physical-interfaces/evaluation-kit-mc34901-high-speed-can-transceiver:KIT34901EFEVB what are those connectors?
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2015-12-06T02:56:19 < kakimir> that's sick
2015-12-06T02:56:47 < kakimir> that thing is actually used
2015-12-06T02:57:01 < kakimir> I have not utilized my normal bananas even yet
2015-12-06T03:01:55 < kakimir> what debugger you have?
2015-12-06T03:02:01 < kakimir> device
2015-12-06T03:02:38 < kakimir> that shit happend all the time with jlink and coocox
2015-12-06T03:02:55 < kakimir> just absurd values
2015-12-06T03:03:20 < kakimir> native
2015-12-06T03:04:07 < kakimir> I think it stoped as I removed excess things to be tracked
2015-12-06T03:04:26 < kakimir> but can't remember anymore
2015-12-06T03:04:36 < upgrdman> any visual studio pros awake?
2015-12-06T03:05:18 < upgrdman> if i hover over something it gives me a quick summary of what ti does. how do i get more details? in eclipse, if you hover over the tooltip it will expand, but that doesn't work in visual studio.
2015-12-06T03:05:54 < upgrdman> ok :(
2015-12-06T03:06:05 < upgrdman> because i want to know more about something?
2015-12-06T03:06:21 < upgrdman> like "show me all the docs for this Class"
2015-12-06T03:06:27 < upgrdman> me too
2015-12-06T03:07:39 < kakimir> is can flexible data a thing?
2015-12-06T03:09:09 < kakimir> some active control of transmission speed or so
2015-12-06T03:11:01 < kakimir> no
2015-12-06T03:11:06 < upgrdman> R2COM, yes
2015-12-06T03:11:10 < kakimir> it just speed grade update
2015-12-06T03:11:52 < kakimir> how fast can stm32s usually have?
2015-12-06T03:14:46 < kakimir> lpc1517 - 1.0Mbps
2015-12-06T03:14:51 < kakimir> such a poo
2015-12-06T03:15:05 < kakimir> please try harder
2015-12-06T03:18:51 < kakimir> 2.0Mbps because it's like the thing
2015-12-06T03:18:58 < kakimir> now
2015-12-06T03:21:06 < kakimir> lot's of chip support it
2015-12-06T03:24:51 < kakimir> lot of tranceiver chips support it*
2015-12-06T03:27:48 < kakimir> but yeah.. can fd has changes to message format too
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2015-12-06T03:28:10 < kakimir> so there should be redesing and switch to turn new functionality on
2015-12-06T03:35:15 < kakimir> so C_CAN is can controller device by not NXP or ST but by Bosch
2015-12-06T03:35:21 < kakimir> sold to manufacturers
2015-12-06T03:36:55 < kakimir> http://www.bosch-semiconductors.de/en/ubk_semiconductors/ip_modules_3/produkttabelle_ip_modules/m_can_1/m_can.html basically this
2015-12-06T03:39:09 < kakimir> I wonder what the deal is there that mcu manufacturer actually buys that instead of own design
2015-12-06T03:44:12 < artag> Bosch invented CAN, I believe. There may be licensing costs to avoid.
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2015-12-06T03:54:03 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://imgur.com/3bSEq1y
2015-12-06T03:55:56 < kakimir> artag: there might be?
2015-12-06T03:56:05 < kakimir> hmm
2015-12-06T03:56:12 < kakimir> maybe I should avoid can then
2015-12-06T03:56:23 < kakimir> use only rs232
2015-12-06T04:00:56 < kakimir> I only use network of bitbang
2015-12-06T04:01:08 < kakimir> so I need 1wire only
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2015-12-06T04:27:29 < dongs> ;sup pros
2015-12-06T04:28:27 < kakimir> you are late
2015-12-06T04:28:30 < kakimir> are you stoned?
2015-12-06T04:28:33 < PeterM> nm, being pro
2015-12-06T04:31:39 < dongs> ive been up since 8am
2015-12-06T04:31:43 < dongs> not late at all
2015-12-06T04:32:35 < Laurenceb> A world without assholes is a world packed with people who are full of shit.
2015-12-06T04:32:40 < Laurenceb> irl lolling
2015-12-06T04:36:20 < kakimir> dongs: what is time now?
2015-12-06T04:37:55 < kakimir> mx master or no mx master
2015-12-06T04:37:59 < kakimir> such a hard decision
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2015-12-06T04:59:22 < upgrdman> just wrote a first c# program. kinda like c# so far.
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2015-12-06T05:19:44 < Getty> Laurenceb: beautiful
2015-12-06T05:21:58 < Laurenceb> watching gamergate at Oxford Union
2015-12-06T05:22:27 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtWrljX9HRA
2015-12-06T05:24:04 < Laurenceb> lol they one with 85% of the vote
2015-12-06T05:24:09 < Laurenceb> *won
2015-12-06T05:25:11 < Laurenceb> shit I have a membership card for that place thats still valid
2015-12-06T05:25:20 < Laurenceb> thats why they are mining my bank account
2015-12-06T05:32:08 < kakimir> nice chick in that talk video
2015-12-06T05:33:36 < kakimir> at 480p
2015-12-06T05:36:16 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-12-06T05:37:49 < kakimir> is go language any good?
2015-12-06T05:40:53  * Laurenceb zzz
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2015-12-06T05:47:58 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ6gQgBOwSo
2015-12-06T05:53:49 < Getty> reddit is awkward
2015-12-06T05:54:06 < Getty> i just created a sub and the same post who told me that the sub is created also tells me that 5 people are watching it RIGHT NOW
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2015-12-06T05:57:08 < upgrdman> R2COM, you must have fucked something up then, or had driver issues. i just tried 3MBaud (3 000 000 baud) and it worked fine in C#. i also verified baud rate with oscope.
2015-12-06T05:58:09 < upgrdman> i did notice however that if you give a baud rate beyond the abilities of your hardware, it seems to default to 115200. e.g. that happened when i tried 80MBaud :)
2015-12-06T05:58:48 < kakimir> dont use reddit
2015-12-06T05:59:08 < kakimir> irc and email it is
2015-12-06T06:02:30 < dongs> hey uh which F0 has the new UART V2 stuff thats same as F3
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2015-12-06T06:03:21 < upgrdman> is f3 uart diff from f4 uart?
2015-12-06T06:03:32 < dongs> yes
2015-12-06T06:04:03 < dongs> hm looks liek F072 does it
2015-12-06T06:04:04 < dongs> cool
2015-12-06T06:04:20 < dongs> looking at RM0091
2015-12-06T06:04:33 < upgrdman> so whats nice about the v2 uart?
2015-12-06T06:04:47 < dongs> you can swap rx/tx
2015-12-06T06:04:54 < dongs> if you fuck up routing :p
2015-12-06T06:05:09 < dongs> and there's a small fifo in sram
2015-12-06T06:05:15 < dongs> not just single byte buffer
2015-12-06T06:05:18 < upgrdman> i could have sworn the f4 could do that too?
2015-12-06T06:05:54 < dongs> nope
2015-12-06T06:06:01 < dongs> f4 does have the fifo buffer it seems
2015-12-06T06:06:03 < upgrdman> and f4 has no rx fifo?
2015-12-06T06:06:06 < upgrdman> oh ok
2015-12-06T06:06:32 < upgrdman> so in old shit like f1, there is no fifo? you have to read each fucking byte?
2015-12-06T06:06:45 < dongs> well, if you DMA it, its okay
2015-12-06T06:06:49 < dongs> but like if your shit is super busy
2015-12-06T06:06:52 < dongs> and youre using IRQs
2015-12-06T06:06:56 < dongs> you can overrun a byte
2015-12-06T06:07:08 < upgrdman> wow. amateur hour uart.
2015-12-06T06:07:19 < gxti> ???
2015-12-06T06:07:20 < upgrdman> even PICs have uart fifo
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2015-12-06T07:38:42 < aandrew> dongs: ping
2015-12-06T07:39:02 < aandrew> dongs: you don't happen to have a step file for that FCI 10103594 usb micro connector do you? fci's site is down
2015-12-06T07:39:50 < dongs> dongs
2015-12-06T07:39:53 < dongs> i dof
2015-12-06T07:39:54 < dongs> do
2015-12-06T07:40:15 < aandrew> can you throw it up somewhere for me to dl?
2015-12-06T07:40:33 < dongs> k lemme see if I know how to extract that shit out of .pcblib
2015-12-06T07:40:41 < dongs> or if not, iknow a board that has it included
2015-12-06T07:40:43 < dongs> so you can steal the model
2015-12-06T07:40:47 < aandrew> pcblib? I thought you weren't an altium fag
2015-12-06T07:41:20 < aandrew> I'm actually creating an altium footprint for it, if you've already got that and are wiling to let me steal it that'd be even better
2015-12-06T07:42:01 < dongs> pbx.mine.nu/10103594.zip
2015-12-06T07:42:03 < dongs> i hope this is right now
2015-12-06T07:42:05 < dongs> er right one
2015-12-06T07:42:14 < dongs> if you wanna steal footprint witout making it, go download novena laptop sores
2015-12-06T07:42:17 < dongs> tehy use same connector
2015-12-06T07:42:28 < aandrew> orly
2015-12-06T07:42:29 < aandrew> thanks
2015-12-06T07:42:33 < dongs> http://www.kosagi.com/w/index.php?title=Novena_PVT_Design_Source
2015-12-06T07:42:35 < dongs> somewhere in there
2015-12-06T07:42:36 < dongs> fucking weebs
2015-12-06T07:42:47 < dongs> http://bunniefoo.com/novena/pvt1_release/novena_pvt1_e_source.zip
2015-12-06T07:42:54 < aandrew> I had this up in the browser when you told me that: https://circuithub.com/projects/melissa/novena_mainboard/revisions/1786
2015-12-06T07:43:46 < dongs> i duno how good it is
2015-12-06T07:43:54 < dongs> mine has been proven by years of pro assembly
2015-12-06T07:44:00 < dongs> but im not sharing it!11
2015-12-06T07:44:10 < aandrew> heh
2015-12-06T07:44:15 < aandrew> thanks, I appreciate it
2015-12-06T07:46:24 < dongs> yep, dongsssssssssssss
2015-12-06T07:47:01 < aandrew> sweet, that worked perfectly
2015-12-06T07:47:50 < aandrew> dongs to the rescue
2015-12-06T08:10:54 < ReadError> oh i needed that one too
2015-12-06T08:11:10 < ReadError> iirc FCI's site didnt have
2015-12-06T08:13:34 < dongs> then how did I get it??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
2015-12-06T08:14:27 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/x5cf4Ln.png
2015-12-06T08:14:32 < ReadError> is this how pros do it?
2015-12-06T08:14:46 < dongs> no this is how retards do it
2015-12-06T08:14:50 < dongs> nice eagle import bro
2015-12-06T08:14:53 < ReadError> for assembly output
2015-12-06T08:14:54 < PeterM> rofl
2015-12-06T08:15:47 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/JBAqFxU.png <-- to generate
2015-12-06T08:17:01 < ReadError> couldnt find any other useful way to make other than adding the 2 linked mechanical layers like that
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2015-12-06T11:13:49 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/5eWNJQ3.jpg
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2015-12-06T11:14:09 < dongs> pro
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2015-12-06T13:23:10 < tim3mob> wtf
2015-12-06T13:25:50 < tim3mob> who killed chats???
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2015-12-06T13:28:15 < jpa-> it was zano
2015-12-06T13:28:17 < jpa-> zano did it
2015-12-06T13:29:44 < tim3mob> you're not wrong
2015-12-06T13:30:54 < tim3mob> m0 has no cycle counter eh
2015-12-06T13:31:13 < tim3mob> that's a bit of a boner
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2015-12-06T14:00:21 < PaulFertser> Any USB pros around? "USB Reset doesn't seem to trigger USBWakeUp_IRQn" wtf, how to wake up from "stop mode"?
2015-12-06T14:07:01 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1574 this table completely FUCKS chrome
2015-12-06T14:07:06 < dongs> 100% cpu on one core ll
2015-12-06T14:08:26 < PaulFertser> Ah, it seems it works, just it's unclear what trigger is proper for EXTI18.
2015-12-06T14:08:56 < ReadError> dongs doesnt here
2015-12-06T14:10:28 < Sync> yeah works for me too
2015-12-06T14:11:38 < dongs> :(
2015-12-06T14:18:40 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/R54R2pl.gifv
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2015-12-06T14:38:41 < kakimir> ReadError: it aims for the head and neck
2015-12-06T14:38:51 < kakimir> like a real cat beast
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2015-12-06T14:40:45 < ReadError> ya straight killer
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2015-12-06T14:59:05 < kakimir> babby vs. cat
2015-12-06T14:59:17 < kakimir> who wins
2015-12-06T15:02:25 < kakimir> wait.. does mcu have can tranceivers integrated?
2015-12-06T15:02:39 < kakimir> I think not but never done anything can
2015-12-06T15:03:34 < ReadError> hm?
2015-12-06T15:05:34 < kakimir> I need seperate tranceiver connected to mcu to connect to can bus?
2015-12-06T15:05:38 < kakimir> aint it so?
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2015-12-06T15:08:07 < dongs> wow octopart bom manager is fucking pro
2015-12-06T15:10:47 < ReadError> have the altium integration?
2015-12-06T15:20:09 < scummos> can't be any worse than the kicad bom stuff
2015-12-06T15:21:14 < kakimir> confesions: I have never done BOM
2015-12-06T15:21:21 < kakimir> I'm unpro
2015-12-06T15:24:21 < kakimir> how do I know if I want tranceiver with split pin or no split pin?
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2015-12-06T15:26:51 < kakimir> and how to place common mode choke relative to paraller resistor split
2015-12-06T15:27:56 < kakimir> http://www.datasheetdir.com/circuits/14/Common-Mode-Chokes-In-Can-Networks-Source-Of-Unexpected-Transients.jpg
2015-12-06T15:33:34 < kakimir> http://i.cmpnet.com/eetimes.de/2008/10/CMC/cmc_fig03.gifthis places tvs behind the choke
2015-12-06T15:34:13 < kakimir> what if I want to make it so it would be resistant to misconnection of operating voltage to can line
2015-12-06T15:34:22 < kakimir> that is aroun 30volts
2015-12-06T15:34:44 < kakimir> without using isolations
2015-12-06T15:35:07 < kakimir> device may be switched off in this condition
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2015-12-06T15:36:57 < kakimir> hmm switching off GND would not do it
2015-12-06T15:37:39 < kakimir> wait unless all nodes switch GND
2015-12-06T15:37:44 < kakimir> off
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2015-12-06T15:39:24 < kakimir> http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/WO2013041309A1/imgf000005_0001.png how does that gnd connected choke make can suitable for use in aircrafts?
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2015-12-06T15:42:30 < kakimir> http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013041309A1?cl=en it raises currents in lines I think
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2015-12-06T15:45:56 < ReadError_> so it begins
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2015-12-06T15:55:53 < kakimir> what beggings?
2015-12-06T16:00:13 < dongs> packeting i presume
2015-12-06T16:00:52 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-06T16:00:58 < kakimir> dem homos attack
2015-12-06T16:01:13 < kakimir> dongs: how to pick choke for can tranceiver?
2015-12-06T16:01:19 < dongs> no clue
2015-12-06T16:01:27 < dongs> i did 2 thigns with can and didnt use any chokes
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2015-12-06T16:19:44 < Taxman> a choke for can?
2015-12-06T16:19:57 < Taxman> you mean a commom mode choke?
2015-12-06T16:20:32 < kakimir> CMC yes
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2015-12-06T16:34:26 < __rob> anyone know how fast realistically you can run the spi on a 100mhz part
2015-12-06T16:34:45 < dongs> datasheet
2015-12-06T16:34:52 < dongs> ahb or apbx speed/2
2015-12-06T16:34:54 < __rob> the datasheet says more than 30mbits, but without dma, and just interrupts I cant seem to get more than about 5mbit
2015-12-06T16:34:55 < dongs> i believe
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2015-12-06T16:35:03 < __rob> yea, I mean in practice without dma
2015-12-06T16:35:04 < dongs> er
2015-12-06T16:35:09 < dongs> why without dma?
2015-12-06T16:35:11 < __rob> I am doing minimal work in the handler
2015-12-06T16:35:16 < dongs> if youre gonna IRQ after every byte
2015-12-06T16:35:18 < dongs> what do ytou expect?
2015-12-06T16:35:23 < dongs> count cycles and see what would be reasonable
2015-12-06T16:35:27 < __rob> well, I want to make decisions on the next packet after RXNE
2015-12-06T16:35:38 < __rob> based on recieved packet
2015-12-06T16:35:53 < __rob> does leave a gap between bytes tho on the scope.. was expecting them to be 1 after the oither
2015-12-06T16:36:53 < __rob> I litteraly get the byte on RXNE, switch on different values an set DR
2015-12-06T16:37:09 < dongs> yeah but youre forgetting context switch time etc
2015-12-06T16:37:30 < __rob> yea, but even then, there is almost 1 bytes worth of space between bytes
2015-12-06T16:37:59 < dongs> use cycle counter or led debugging to see how long your IRQ actualyl takes
2015-12-06T16:38:08 < dongs> from in to out
2015-12-06T16:39:28 < __rob> yea, i've checked that, its orders of magnitude smaller than 1 byte period on the spi
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2015-12-06T16:40:40 < __rob> I was expecting the DR to get shifted into the output buffer on the next spi clock cycle, ready to sent on the 2nd
2015-12-06T16:40:51 < __rob> so at most there would be maybe 1 spi clock cycle between each paket
2015-12-06T16:41:04 < __rob> but theres easily 8
2015-12-06T16:44:08 < __rob> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/DM00031020.pdf
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2015-12-06T16:44:50 < __rob> page 879 there suggests the whole of DR gets moved into output buffer in 1 spi clock cycle
2015-12-06T16:45:45 < __rob> so in that diagram, if I populate DR at (Data1)B7, it should start sending the next byte at (Data2)B1
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2015-12-06T16:47:09 < __rob> but its more like (Data2)B7 it begins the next
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2015-12-06T17:26:48 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/18aiPD5.png
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2015-12-06T18:11:47 < ReadError> https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3v3008/just_got_arrested_being_charged_with_card_fraud/
2015-12-06T18:11:50 < ReadError> buttcoiners
2015-12-06T18:12:55 < kakimir> hah
2015-12-06T18:13:09 < kakimir> there was nothing wrong I was doings
2015-12-06T18:13:36 < kakimir> 500% profit there usually is
2015-12-06T18:13:43 < kakimir> *400%
2015-12-06T18:13:54 < ReadError> yea, idiot
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2015-12-06T18:24:46 < kakimir> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/30564/is-a-can-enabled-microcontroller-sufficient-to-drive-a-can-bus it says you don't need tranceiver in one board design with can
2015-12-06T18:24:50 < kakimir> cool
2015-12-06T18:25:11 < kakimir> even full steam when <10cm distances
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2015-12-06T18:26:08 < kakimir> but can you connect that network to transceiver for broadcasting?
2015-12-06T18:27:55 < ReadError> why not use external trans ? then more MCU option?
2015-12-06T18:28:28 < kakimir> I will
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2015-12-06T20:37:44 < Laurenceb> http://www.airwar1946.nl/whif/images/lz134-03.jpg
2015-12-06T20:37:45 < Laurenceb> lolling
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2015-12-06T20:57:45 < rewolff> A long long time ago, in a country far, far away....
2015-12-06T20:57:45 < rewolff> R2COM's SPI module received a byte and put it in the RX FIFO.
2015-12-06T20:57:45 < rewolff> When the code transmits the dummy, and reads the FIFO it reads a value from a while back...... (and when he mouses over the DR register, the debuger reads the real value).
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2015-12-06T21:32:35 < _Getty> Laurenceb: if its about mobile warfare, nazis were there first ;)
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2015-12-06T21:37:20 < Fleck> hello ppl
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2015-12-06T21:41:29 < Steffanx> Hello fellow other people
2015-12-06T21:48:31 < jadew> hey
2015-12-06T21:49:26 < jadew> any ideas on cheap single PCB PCs (like the rpi and all that) that has usb and audio output?
2015-12-06T21:49:32 < jadew> that's all I'm interested in
2015-12-06T21:50:13 < jadew> or MIDI synthesizer for that matter, but I didn't have much luck with that
2015-12-06T21:50:31 < jadew> I have a MIDI keyboard and my son loves it
2015-12-06T21:51:04 < jadew> which is a problem, because I have to hook it up to my laptop and he ends up stepping all over it and the USB cables, while they're plugged in
2015-12-06T21:51:16 < zyp> i.e. rpi?
2015-12-06T21:51:24 < jadew> yeah, something like the rpi
2015-12-06T21:51:32 < jadew> is that the cheapest option?
2015-12-06T21:52:46 < zyp> are you saying rpi is too expensive?
2015-12-06T21:53:05 < jadew> they have that zero thing, it's 5
2015-12-06T21:53:09 < jadew> $5
2015-12-06T21:53:17 < jadew> in contrast, the other ones are expensive
2015-12-06T21:53:34 < jadew> the only problem with that one is that nobody has it in stock and it doesn't have an audio DAC
2015-12-06T22:00:15 < BrainDamage> you can always use an external 2$ usb audio card
2015-12-06T22:01:44 < jadew> BrainDamage, but they don't work on their own, do they?
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2015-12-06T22:07:40 < BrainDamage> ofc not
2015-12-06T22:08:10 < BrainDamage> but any arm board without audio as long as it has usb host can have audio output with one of those
2015-12-06T22:10:42 < MightyPork> hi, can someone please help me debug my makefile? I am trying to build a library for cortexm4, but ar says "File format not recognized"
2015-12-06T22:10:58 < MightyPork> here it is, on branch "lib": https://github.com/MightyPork/scpi_parser/blob/lib/Makefile
2015-12-06T22:12:03 < MightyPork> oh nvm I probably just fixed it xD
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2015-12-06T23:07:06 < MightyPork> so my SCPI parser now includes a makefile for building a static library
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2015-12-06T23:20:26 < Laurenceb> http://rs710.pbsrc.com/albums/ww103/rhett3/Odd%20Lot%20Comics/GPS.jpg~c200
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2015-12-06T23:29:22 < kakimir> why you need -V and +V in a can connector :/
2015-12-06T23:33:40 < kakimir> pray jesus
2015-12-06T23:42:59 < karlp> MightyPork: whee, good news on your scpi project, got a link anywhere?
2015-12-06T23:43:30 < MightyPork> karlp: sure, it's here https://github.com/MightyPork/scpi_parser
2015-12-06T23:47:08 < kakimir> now I remember what board I needed to design
2015-12-06T23:47:33 < kakimir> milliampere range current probe
2015-12-06T23:48:07 < kakimir> that can be connected to dupont jumper pins
2015-12-06T23:48:18 < kakimir> has sma out to scope
2015-12-06T23:48:33 < kakimir> any ideas how to do this?
2015-12-06T23:48:54 < kakimir> I need accuracy down to tenths of milliampere
2015-12-06T23:59:55 < upgrdman> kakimir, shunt resistor + current sense amp?
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2015-12-07T00:00:43 < karlp> MightyPork: so , what's the selling point vs the j123b567 project?
2015-12-07T00:04:22 < kakimir> upgrdman: hmm... maybe
2015-12-07T00:04:58 < kakimir> resistor has to have fairly big resistance value
2015-12-07T00:07:29 < kakimir> sounds awkward
2015-12-07T00:08:20 < kakimir> I think I want to make same base design with alternations to components work as ampere range probe
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2015-12-07T00:11:57 < kakimir> okay I need some generic or so common mode choke for canbus
2015-12-07T00:12:04 < Lux> just choose good opams and you can use a small resistance
2015-12-07T00:12:12 < kakimir> recommends?
2015-12-07T00:12:38 < kakimir> Lux: how many dollars of opamp?
2015-12-07T00:12:43 < kakimir> 10? 20?
2015-12-07T00:12:51 < Lux> dunno, maybe that uCurrent stuff is worth looking at: http://www.eevblog.com/files/uCurrentRev5schematic.pdf
2015-12-07T00:12:51 < kakimir> lm324!
2015-12-07T00:12:54 < Lux> lol
2015-12-07T00:13:16 < Lux> dunno, just calculate what specs you need and then decide on an opamp that meets those
2015-12-07T00:13:37 < kakimir> I didn't want to copy uCurrent but now it's inevitable
2015-12-07T00:16:28 < kakimir> I need something inexpensive to have dozen of
2015-12-07T00:16:49 < kakimir> just laying in the circuits
2015-12-07T00:17:13 < kakimir> no bothering to move them around
2015-12-07T00:19:11 < Lux> or if you want to make something with a microcontroller and a display you could probably even use those: https://cdn.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Sensors/ForceFlex/hx711_english.pdf
2015-12-07T00:19:28 < Lux> i think with a seperate supply it should work
2015-12-07T00:20:02 < kakimir> Interesting
2015-12-07T00:20:36 < MightyPork> karlp: tbh I didn't read through your code, so not sure if you have something I don't
2015-12-07T00:21:12 < karlp> not mine, just one I used.
2015-12-07T00:21:16 < MightyPork> My version works as a state machine, char by char as it comes to input, so it can handle super long binary data easily
2015-12-07T00:21:17 < karlp> it's used by more than just me :)
2015-12-07T00:21:43 < MightyPork> also I like my architecture but ofc I'm biased ^^
2015-12-07T00:21:44 < karlp> just wondered if there was some major selling point for a new player to choose yours over the other one used by more people.
2015-12-07T00:22:09 < MightyPork> not sure, can't compare because I didn't use the other
2015-12-07T00:22:28 < karlp> I guess you were too far along on writing your own already :)
2015-12-07T00:22:44 < karlp> you can handle multiple units and things right?
2015-12-07T00:23:50 < MightyPork> not sure what you mean by units... can collect multiple arguments and convert to the right format
2015-12-07T00:24:05 < MightyPork> the `j123b567` is of course much more feature complete, also it implements the 2004 version
2015-12-07T00:24:18 < MightyPork> but mine is easier to use and lighter,probably
2015-12-07T00:26:08 < _Getty> ha just found my ardupilot.... <remembering>
2015-12-07T00:26:15 < _Getty> in some cable bundle in some box
2015-12-07T00:26:35 < _Getty> but i had to buy.. i just HAD to buy it
2015-12-07T00:27:40 < karlp> MightyPork: I mean things like "out1:blah 100mV" and also "out1:blah 0.1V" and so on.
2015-12-07T00:27:55 < MightyPork> oh, no that's not yet implemented
2015-12-07T00:28:15 < MightyPork> I plan to add it, but for now not needed
2015-12-07T00:28:40 < karlp> it's realllly nice from the users point of view :)
2015-12-07T00:28:58 < karlp> also, "lighter, probably" probably needs to be measured ;)
2015-12-07T00:29:14 < MightyPork> I measured it by looking at the repo ;)
2015-12-07T00:29:16 < karlp> anyway, glad it's working for you :)
2015-12-07T00:29:25 < karlp> lighter only matters compiled though right?
2015-12-07T00:33:05 < MightyPork> yea well I implemented only the subset of SCPI that I could make sense of ;)
2015-12-07T00:33:29 < MightyPork> but the mandatory commands etc are there
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2015-12-07T00:35:22 < MightyPork> karlp: have you tried the binary block with the j123b567? can't see how it's supposed to work there...
2015-12-07T00:36:56 < karlp> no, it wasn't a feature at the time, so yeah, that would be a feature of yours worth mentioning explicitly in your readme ;)
2015-12-07T00:37:05 < karlp> it was added in the newer version of the library, which was a major api overhaul
2015-12-07T00:37:08 < karlp> I've not used it since.
2015-12-07T00:37:53 < MightyPork> asking because I see in their examples it used, but looks like it's blocking
2015-12-07T00:37:57 < MightyPork> which'd be pretty silly
2015-12-07T00:38:01 < MightyPork> and need insane buffer
2015-12-07T00:39:09 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/QCEa1sw.jpg
2015-12-07T00:39:29 < upgrdman> supposed to be a chatroulette
2015-12-07T00:39:32 < karlp> yeah, if you're doing realllly big binary blocks, scpi sounds like a gneerally terrible idea.
2015-12-07T00:39:48 < karlp> you can pass in offsets with the binary blocks though and do it multiple commands of course.
2015-12-07T00:41:24 < MightyPork> I am copying the API from some agilent generator, so kinda wanted to have it the same way :D
2015-12-07T00:41:50 < MightyPork> it's like #nxxxx<gigantic blob>
2015-12-07T00:42:29 < karlp> yeah, it's the "how gigantic is gigantic" kinda question I guess.
2015-12-07T00:44:18 < MightyPork> let's say "larger than I'm willing to sacrifice for a buffer"... but you're probably right.. some 4k buffer is nothing if you have 60k ram
2015-12-07T00:44:32 < MightyPork> another use case would be streaming and real time conversion
2015-12-07T00:44:56 < MightyPork> like DAC output every 4 bytes, and master times it... not sure if that's a bright idea
2015-12-07T01:11:19 < karlp> scpi is _raelly_ not the right idea for that I don't think :)
2015-12-07T01:11:33 < karlp> I think that's why some of the more host driven tools use private interfaces rather than scpi
2015-12-07T01:18:18 < Sync> yeah
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2015-12-07T02:18:18 < Laurenceb> http://www.mytractorforum.com/132-look-what-i-broke-today/70050-i-bent-rod-my-snowblower.html
2015-12-07T02:23:05 < kakimir> why would you have series resistor in txd input
2015-12-07T02:23:31 < kakimir> in can tranceiver design
2015-12-07T02:23:39 < zyp> input?
2015-12-07T02:23:56 < zyp> you mean from the transceiver?
2015-12-07T02:24:27 < zyp> you might want it if you're using a 5V transceiver on non-5V-tolerant pins
2015-12-07T02:24:52 < kakimir> oh
2015-12-07T02:24:57 < zyp> or you might want it if they're running from different supplies that's not necessarily powered at the same time
2015-12-07T02:25:13 < kakimir> ?
2015-12-07T02:25:28 < kakimir> oh
2015-12-07T02:25:41 < kakimir> so current thru diodes
2015-12-07T02:25:47 < kakimir> stays minimal
2015-12-07T02:25:47 < zyp> can, like rs232 is high when idle, which might power an unpowered chip through the ESD diodes
2015-12-07T02:26:17 < kakimir> but doesn't that big resistance cause preformance issues?
2015-12-07T02:26:46 < zyp> depends on the trace capacitance
2015-12-07T02:27:16 < zyp> it forms an RC filter, so the question is how fast you need it to be
2015-12-07T02:29:38 < kakimir> nice
2015-12-07T02:47:53 < kakimir> and there is actually cap in txd pin too
2015-12-07T02:47:58 < kakimir> connected to
2015-12-07T02:48:05 < kakimir> in example layout
2015-12-07T02:53:13 < Laurenceb> or in the case of newer F1, youd fry the ESD diode
2015-12-07T02:55:41 < kakimir> is it so weak made?
2015-12-07T02:59:15 < kakimir> lame
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2015-12-07T03:39:22 < kakimir> let's talk weird
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2015-12-07T03:40:55 < Laurenceb> I'll start
2015-12-07T03:40:57 < Laurenceb> http://www.seanbarton.org/PDF/aiaa_j_aircraft_submission.pdf
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2015-12-07T04:00:34 < kakimir> okay
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2015-12-07T04:15:04 < GargantuaSauce> i've always fantasized about vacuum balloons for airships
2015-12-07T04:15:35 < GargantuaSauce> nice to see literature on the concept even if it is ridiculous
2015-12-07T04:15:50 < kakimir> that is quite futuristic concept
2015-12-07T04:16:41 < kakimir> nanotubes ja fullrenes
2015-12-07T04:16:57 < kakimir> *fullerenes
2015-12-07T04:19:18 < kakimir> or what ever those plates of carbon are called
2015-12-07T04:19:47 < GargantuaSauce> graphene
2015-12-07T04:24:53 < kakimir> I wonder how perpendicular pressure to circle is transfered into pressure in direction of ring
2015-12-07T04:25:11 < kakimir> how diameter affects it and stuff
2015-12-07T04:26:24 < kakimir> make bigger circle and hmm.. it translates less but there is more net load to it
2015-12-07T04:27:57 < kakimir> what if size of circle was infinite
2015-12-07T04:28:03 < kakimir> load was infinite
2015-12-07T04:28:30 < kakimir> but it would be like straight wall all the way
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2015-12-07T04:51:23 < Laurenceb> its all very confusing
2015-12-07T04:51:54 < Laurenceb> they should have drawn some graphs of what happens versus time
2015-12-07T04:56:58 < Laurenceb> I was wondering what would happen if you filled the Emma Mearsk with hydrogen
2015-12-07T04:57:23 < Laurenceb> turns out it only needs to be made a few times bigger in each dimension to float
2015-12-07T04:57:35 < Laurenceb> and could cruise at 120mph
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2015-12-07T05:23:59 < NMolo> Im having the strangest issue trying to program a board I made
2015-12-07T05:24:43 < NMolo> I connect to the board through the st-link utility, and then a few seconds later the device disconnects
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2015-12-07T07:39:19 < upgrdman> anyone here use an ftdi for spi?
2015-12-07T07:44:01 < upgrdman> ya im trying to figure out to do it
2015-12-07T07:44:13 < upgrdman> the code from ftdi is old and broken with vs2015
2015-12-07T07:44:40 < upgrdman> and i cant find a tutorial that will hold my cock and walk me through the whole process of a hello world.
2015-12-07T07:45:10 < jpa-> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-ft232h-breakout/spi
2015-12-07T07:46:08 < upgrdman> ya i saw that, but its for python
2015-12-07T07:46:23 < upgrdman> i'm hoping for c# or c or c++
2015-12-07T07:46:30 < upgrdman> python is such aids
2015-12-07T07:47:53 < jpa-> python is the language of cock holding
2015-12-07T07:48:29 < jpa-> https://github.com/devttys0/libmpsse   did you try this?
2015-12-07T07:49:11 < jpa-> it is such excellent library, specifying functions like Open() in global namespace
2015-12-07T07:49:45 < upgrdman> hmm didnt see that. will look into it. thanks.
2015-12-07T07:53:20 < upgrdman> R2COM, any chance you could find that old c# code?
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2015-12-07T08:31:42 < Getty> woah! the future is now! http://www.amazon.de/Polaroid-Z2300-digitale-Sofortbildkamera-Schwarz/dp/B008GVXKUW
2015-12-07T08:32:21 < Getty> unbelievable, it puts the picture into your hand! why are we not funding this? ;) <couldntresist>
2015-12-07T08:34:00 < upgrdman> epic http://i.imgur.com/0di40eQ.gifv
2015-12-07T08:34:35 < Getty> so cool.... as a german its always sad to see this stuff and to now it would so much NOT be allowed on public roads ;)
2015-12-07T08:34:42 < Getty> s/now/know/
2015-12-07T08:37:25 < aandrew> http://thanatos.virtual.drawersteak.com/unlisted/still-alive.png
2015-12-07T08:45:10 < upgrdman> Getty, fwiw, that'd be illegal in the usa too. even underlights on cars are illegal.
2015-12-07T08:45:29 < upgrdman> guessing it might have been a movie prop, or someone have a night of fun and hoping not to get caught
2015-12-07T08:46:17 < Getty> upgrdman: or some other countries, most are pretty low on rules for this
2015-12-07T08:46:28 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-07T08:46:35 < Getty> but didnt knew that about US, when i was there i saw cars on the street a german wouldnt even touch
2015-12-07T08:46:43 < Getty> like ducttape fixed
2015-12-07T08:46:47 < Getty> it was a pain seeing that
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2015-12-07T09:09:53 < jadew> you went to hillbilly county?
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2015-12-07T10:28:47 < dongs> so fucking stoned damn
2015-12-07T10:30:21 < dongs> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=566284 lewl people are raging on my bug
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2015-12-07T10:35:43 < dongs> { on newline
2015-12-07T10:35:44 < dongs> is
2015-12-07T10:35:50 < dongs> about as far from pro as it gets
2015-12-07T10:35:57 < dongs> k&r or FUCK OFF
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2015-12-07T10:54:05 < jadew> dongs, I disagree
2015-12-07T10:54:16 < jadew> { on the same line with the statement is dumb
2015-12-07T10:54:26 < jadew> it makes things much harder to spot
2015-12-07T10:55:23 < jadew> it's all about readability and there's nothing readable about a { in some random spot on some line above
2015-12-07T10:55:25 < bloated> its the other way around for me. see the "for" look down for the matching }
2015-12-07T10:55:38 < jadew> bloated, how about looking up?
2015-12-07T10:55:53 < bloated> and of course I assume the use of vim.
2015-12-07T10:56:17 < bloated> jadew: same thing. see the } look for the matching for/while/etc
2015-12-07T10:56:35 < jadew> bloated, yeah... no
2015-12-07T10:56:47 < bloated> if you really can't spot the match, you can always use vim's bracket matching.
2015-12-07T10:56:52 < bloated> (%)
2015-12-07T10:57:07 < jadew> all IDEs today do that
2015-12-07T10:57:15 < jadew> but it's still much more comfortable to have them on the same line
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2015-12-07T10:57:26 < bloated> its an unncessary line
2015-12-07T10:57:27 < jadew> it's... natural
2015-12-07T10:57:44 < bloated> a line with just { on it isn't worth it.
2015-12-07T10:58:11 < jadew> I don't know... my coding style developped as a result of coding tired, it's not the result of reading some book
2015-12-07T10:58:18 < jadew> and I used to put { on the same line
2015-12-07T10:58:38 < jadew> that changed one night when I was super tired and realized it's harder to read than if it was on a line of its own
2015-12-07T10:59:46 < bloated> I guess perhaps it makes a difference that I also properly indent code so looking for the } is just part of what I do to recognize a block.
2015-12-07T11:00:03 < jadew> everyone idents code properly
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2015-12-07T11:00:27 < bloated> tabs equals 8 spaces is proper indentation. tabs equals 4 spaces is improper indentation.
2015-12-07T11:00:55 < jadew> now, if you don't believe that it's easier to spot, you have to at least agree that it has some symetry that just feels good when you look at it
2015-12-07T11:01:18 < bloated> don't know. I guess its just whatever you're used to looks better to you.
2015-12-07T11:01:26 < jadew> bloated, it doesn't matter how many spaces it equals as long as it's consistent
2015-12-07T11:01:45 < jadew> well, I can tell you for a fact that symetry works better for us
2015-12-07T11:01:59 < bloated> who is 'us' ?
2015-12-07T11:02:02 < jadew> humans
2015-12-07T11:02:40 < jadew> when I'm looking up for the opening { in my code, I have to make at least 1 eye movement
2015-12-07T11:02:48 < jadew> if you put it on the same line, you have to make at least 2
2015-12-07T11:03:27 < jadew> that gets old fast
2015-12-07T11:04:01 < jadew> not to mention that I can assess the general correctness of my code at a glance
2015-12-07T11:04:08 < jadew> missing {} ? no
2015-12-07T11:04:22 < jadew> when it's on the same line: missing {} ? let's see...
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2015-12-07T11:08:17 < dongs> nope
2015-12-07T11:08:18 < dongs> fuck you
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2015-12-07T12:31:11 < dongs> found Laurenceb_ secretproj http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/07/health/penis-transplants-being-planned-to-heal-troops-hidden-wounds.html
2015-12-07T12:31:32 < dongs> how many folders are in libopencm3
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2015-12-07T12:33:01 < dongs> errrrrr, the only working I2C in it is polled s tuff?!
2015-12-07T12:35:09 < dongs> F0 target last touched 2 years ago...
2015-12-07T12:35:14 < dongs> F1 target has no i2c..
2015-12-07T12:35:15 < dongs> wow.
2015-12-07T12:35:20 < dongs> who the fuck uses this shit and why
2015-12-07T12:35:38 < dongs> i mean stdperiphlib is shit but at least its maintained and works somewhat
2015-12-07T12:35:57 < jpa-> you can't have good kinky fuck without some fancy shit
2015-12-07T12:37:40 < dongs> i rly dont understand it
2015-12-07T12:37:44 < dongs> im looking at lib/ dir right?
2015-12-07T12:37:45 < dongs> lib/stm32?
2015-12-07T12:37:47 < dongs> thats latest stuff?
2015-12-07T12:37:49 < dongs> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/tree/master/lib
2015-12-07T12:37:56 < dongs> or is tehre some "beta" shit
2015-12-07T12:38:36 < __rob> open source projects..
2015-12-07T12:38:49 < dongs> yeah but i've seen people actually recommend this in the channel
2015-12-07T12:38:55 < dongs> and I know i looked at it like 2 yearrs ago
2015-12-07T12:38:58 < dongs> and it was kinda shit back then
2015-12-07T12:39:01 < dongs> but i dont see much changed???
2015-12-07T12:39:04 < __rob> few of those sort of projects reach critical mass that they get updated consitently
2015-12-07T12:39:24 < __rob> if its 1 guy, and that 1 guy gets bored :P
2015-12-07T12:39:27 < __rob> or has a kid
2015-12-07T12:39:44 < __rob> as shit as stmcube is, at least they are updating it
2015-12-07T12:41:44 < dongs> my pal is actually doing something w/F1 and Cube, lol.
2015-12-07T12:41:49 < dongs> he hasnt asked me *anything* since he s tarted
2015-12-07T12:42:00 < dongs> and he has PWM, input capture, I2C master/slave, uart, etc all working
2015-12-07T12:42:19 < dongs> maybe it works pretty good for dumb people who just want to get shit done
2015-12-07T12:43:58 < jpa-> it works, it just feels like brains rot when you do it
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2015-12-07T12:44:15 < __rob> I find it pretty handy for setup
2015-12-07T12:44:40 < __rob> I don't use their generated code directly
2015-12-07T12:45:00 < __rob> but I do copy and paste it now, like spi config, or clock config or something
2015-12-07T12:45:26 < __rob> you can get a test project up and running in no time.. can't argue with that
2015-12-07T12:46:19 < dongs> but you cant copypaste cube into stdperiphlib right
2015-12-07T12:46:44 < __rob> not directly, they have stuck HAL_xxx infront of everything
2015-12-07T12:46:51 < __rob> but i'd say its very similar
2015-12-07T12:46:53 < __rob> for the most part
2015-12-07T12:47:01 < dongs> ya
2015-12-07T12:47:19 < __rob> little bit more abstraction on some stuff than stdpl
2015-12-07T12:47:26 < __rob> so it works the same for all parts
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2015-12-07T12:48:21 < __rob> personally don't see it as that different
2015-12-07T12:48:50 < dongs> yeah
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2015-12-07T13:17:14 < dongs> time to get softi2c board hooked up and see if zyp's amazeimprovements helped
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2015-12-07T13:31:21 < dongs> wtf logic analzer shit in scope isnt working
2015-12-07T13:32:45 < dongs> .. helps to plug it in fully
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2015-12-07T13:36:46 < zyp> it'll be totally amazing
2015-12-07T13:39:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/w37yXIR.png zyp this is old/overclocked
2015-12-07T13:39:45 < dongs> about to flash new stuff
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2015-12-07T13:43:12 < dongs> this is new
2015-12-07T13:43:17 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/umGCffn.png
2015-12-07T13:45:01 < zyp> that looks good to me
2015-12-07T13:45:15 < dongs> hm crap
2015-12-07T13:45:26 < dongs> new code makes it find all the devices
2015-12-07T13:45:28 < dongs> something is wrong with reads
2015-12-07T13:45:49 < zyp> looks like it acks everything
2015-12-07T13:47:46 < dongs> hmm
2015-12-07T13:47:49 < dongs> no, old code works
2015-12-07T13:47:55 < dongs> the one where addr_cb is called on the other edge
2015-12-07T13:52:34 < zyp> I guess the ack state gets fucked up somehow
2015-12-07T13:52:47 < zyp> got the new code somewhere? I'll take a look
2015-12-07T13:53:16 < dongs> i have old/new in #if 0
2015-12-07T13:53:28 < dongs> it sucks either way at 72mhz
2015-12-07T13:53:33 < dongs> looking to see wat i can drop t o make it faster
2015-12-07T13:56:01 < dongs> at 84mhz it works wiht oldcode
2015-12-07T13:56:41 < dongs> ah no
2015-12-07T13:56:45 < dongs> blinks er ror sometime
2015-12-07T13:57:01 < zyp> hmm, I think I broke the ACK state handling
2015-12-07T13:57:13 < dongs> ok, seems no blinks @ 8*12
2015-12-07T13:57:17 < dongs> 96mhz
2015-12-07T13:57:17 < dongs> heh
2015-12-07T13:58:52 < zyp> hmm, I shouldn't have
2015-12-07T13:59:13 < zyp> only difference is that #if?
2015-12-07T13:59:17 < dongs> yep
2015-12-07T13:59:20 < zyp> between working and ack all?
2015-12-07T13:59:20 < dongs> #if 0 = works
2015-12-07T13:59:22 < dongs> #if 1 = fail
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2015-12-07T13:59:33 < dongs> yeah it seems to ack all because it detects all 16 devices
2015-12-07T13:59:40 < zyp> okay
2015-12-07T14:01:26 < zyp> oh
2015-12-07T14:02:07 < zyp> L133, change to if(scl && (ctx->state == I2CS_ADDR || ctx->state == I2CS_WRITE) && ctx->data_cnt < 8) {
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2015-12-07T14:02:51 < zyp> otherwise it returns before it get to the cnt == 8 case
2015-12-07T14:03:29 < timemob> what did I miss
2015-12-07T14:04:38 < PeterM> [22:59] <dongs> yeah it seems to ack all because it detects all 16 devices
2015-12-07T14:04:39 < PeterM> [22:59] <zyp> okay
2015-12-07T14:04:39 < PeterM> [23:01] <zyp> oh
2015-12-07T14:04:39 < PeterM> [23:02] <zyp> L133, change to if(scl && (ctx->state == I2CS_ADDR || ctx->state == I2CS_WRITE) && ctx->data_cnt < 8) {
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2015-12-07T14:04:39 < PeterM> [23:02] <zyp> otherwise it returns before it get to the cnt == 8 case
2015-12-07T14:05:39 < timemob> sweet. will test soon
2015-12-07T14:05:52 < zyp> not sure how it gets acked then, but eh
2015-12-07T14:06:17 < zyp> I should probably rearrange everything to make it more readable
2015-12-07T14:08:30 < timemob> seems there's some new versioning shit in new firmware too
2015-12-07T14:08:44 < timemob> I gotta see what the fuck that is
2015-12-07T14:09:10 < timemob> probably new fields in the struct
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2015-12-07T14:47:44 < dongs> kk
2015-12-07T14:47:45 < dongs> lets see
2015-12-07T14:49:29 < dongs> er
2015-12-07T14:49:32 < dongs> that was outside the #if ?
2015-12-07T14:49:57 < zyp> yes
2015-12-07T14:50:09 < dongs> still fales w/newcode
2015-12-07T14:50:17 < zyp> hmm, right
2015-12-07T14:51:33 < zyp> can you set a breakpoint and see what happens after addr_cb returns false?
2015-12-07T14:52:06 < dongs> on the bus, or in the code?
2015-12-07T14:52:12 < zyp> code
2015-12-07T14:52:56 < zyp> it should go to ignored state until next start
2015-12-07T14:52:57 < dongs> but i2c isnt gonna wait for me to step thorugh it
2015-12-07T14:53:05 < zyp> I know
2015-12-07T14:53:05 < dongs> or  do oyu mean just step through it
2015-12-07T14:53:23 < dongs> 		if(!ctx->addr_cb(ctx->data)) {
2015-12-07T14:53:24 < dongs> so here?
2015-12-07T14:53:28 < zyp> yes
2015-12-07T14:56:18 < dongs> bah, in -O0 it doesnt work e ven at 120mhz
2015-12-07T14:56:50 < dongs> OK at O1
2015-12-07T14:56:52 < zyp> actually, can you do trace prints of some sort?
2015-12-07T14:56:58 < dongs> not really
2015-12-07T14:57:04 < dongs> dont have rblog ;p
2015-12-07T14:57:08 < zyp> haha
2015-12-07T14:57:17 < zyp> okay
2015-12-07T14:57:34 < dongs> i can probly dump stuf over uart, but..
2015-12-07T14:57:44 < zyp> too slow
2015-12-07T14:57:48 < dongs> yeah thats waht i thought
2015-12-07T14:58:19 < dongs> its nver acutally hitting that...
2015-12-07T14:58:27 < dongs> o wait im on old code
2015-12-07T14:59:45 < dongs> it seems it never gets tehre
2015-12-07T14:59:47 < dongs> but i'm wiht -O1
2015-12-07T14:59:51 < dongs> so hard to ay
2015-12-07T14:59:51 < dongs> say
2015-12-07T15:00:11 < dongs> hm
2015-12-07T15:00:14 < dongs> no it never enters into if (scl
2015-12-07T15:00:16 < dongs> the 1st part.
2015-12-07T15:00:16 < zyp> and you added the cnt < 8 to the other if?
2015-12-07T15:00:19 < dongs> ya
2015-12-07T15:00:25 < dongs> at 133.
2015-12-07T15:00:41 < dongs> if(scl && ctx->state == I2CS_ADDR && ctx->data_cnt == 8) {
2015-12-07T15:00:43 < dongs> this never happens.
2015-12-07T15:01:17 < dongs> the if !scl below does tho
2015-12-07T15:01:34 < zyp> oh, maybe I'm dumb
2015-12-07T15:02:43 < dongs> hur the newstyle listings from armcc are kinda gay
2015-12-07T15:02:48 < dongs> it used to interleave code/asm
2015-12-07T15:02:56 < dongs> now its like... 30 lines of code, 50 lines of asm
2015-12-07T15:03:58 < dongs> hm maybe its optimizing it so much theres no easy way to align with code
2015-12-07T15:04:03 < dongs> other sections seem to be diff
2015-12-07T15:06:03 < zyp> remove the return on line 137
2015-12-07T15:06:25 < zyp> that's the problem
2015-12-07T15:06:45 < zyp> because that's when it should fall into that new if, and it can't when it returns
2015-12-07T15:07:03 < dongs> mhm
2015-12-07T15:07:05 < dongs> seems works
2015-12-07T15:07:11 < zyp> and since it gets skipped, you never enter the ignore path, and always fall into the ACK path
2015-12-07T15:07:13 < dongs> but
2015-12-07T15:07:16 < dongs> why it never breakpoints there
2015-12-07T15:07:27 < dongs> gets optimized out?
2015-12-07T15:07:30 < zyp> you should break there now
2015-12-07T15:07:46 < dongs> yep
2015-12-07T15:07:47 < dongs> sure do
2015-12-07T15:07:48 < dongs> wtf?
2015-12-07T15:07:56 < dongs> oh, that was another return
2015-12-07T15:07:58 < dongs> not in that line.
2015-12-07T15:08:03 < zyp> yep
2015-12-07T15:08:26 < zyp> it returned in the same cycle as cnt became 8, so it couldn't enter the if for 8 later
2015-12-07T15:08:47 < zyp> that's why I said reorganizing the code would be good, would be easy to spot this then :p
2015-12-07T15:09:00 < zyp> anyway, does it work at 72MHz now?
2015-12-07T15:10:25 < dongs> thats what im about to find out
2015-12-07T15:11:04 < dongs> bingo
2015-12-07T15:11:09 < dongs> aww no
2015-12-07T15:11:12 < dongs> something is dicky
2015-12-07T15:11:15 < dongs> it find but errors
2015-12-07T15:11:16 < dongs> lets see
2015-12-07T15:11:28 < dongs> hehe i think i crashed the driver
2015-12-07T15:11:42 < dongs> hm nope
2015-12-07T15:12:20 < dongs> needs at least 84mhz
2015-12-07T15:12:21 < dongs> :(
2015-12-07T15:12:32 < dongs> but thats better!
2015-12-07T15:12:37 < dongs> old code wouldnt work error-free at 84
2015-12-07T15:13:42 < zyp> hmm, I wonder how much flash wait states would matter
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2015-12-07T15:13:55 < zyp> I suggest trying executing from ram
2015-12-07T15:16:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/YDQrIZN.png in code/pic what part is waht causes it to fail?
2015-12-07T15:16:19 < dongs> i mean at which point?
2015-12-07T15:16:30 < dongs> time between write and bak?
2015-12-07T15:16:31 < dongs> er nak
2015-12-07T15:19:17 < zyp> dunno, that looks good to me
2015-12-07T15:19:50 < dongs> right, i mean, thats nonfail case
2015-12-07T15:19:50 < dongs> at 84
2015-12-07T15:20:21 < zyp> grab a trace of a failing case as well
2015-12-07T15:20:30 < dongs> right
2015-12-07T15:20:56 < zyp> the failing point would be when SDA doesn't go low for ACK before SCL is rising (which is the sample point)
2015-12-07T15:21:36 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/YDQrIZN.png @ 84 http://i.imgur.com/yDyDEi3.png @ 120
2015-12-07T15:21:36 < dongs> heh
2015-12-07T15:21:38 < zyp> maybe a bit earlier, to have a margin for delays on the bus
2015-12-07T15:21:39 < dongs> at 72mhz it "works"
2015-12-07T15:21:45 < dongs> but it eventally crashes the master
2015-12-07T15:21:46 < dongs> completely
2015-12-07T15:21:48 < dongs> it just keeps clocking out scl
2015-12-07T15:21:49 < dongs> lol
2015-12-07T15:22:36 < zyp> are you adjusting the flash wait state number when changing the cpu clock?
2015-12-07T15:22:42 < dongs> no
2015-12-07T15:22:46 < dongs> not doing anything
2015-12-07T15:22:49 < dongs> just changing prescaler
2015-12-07T15:22:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/8RxXN0O.png @ 72
2015-12-07T15:22:59 < zyp> right, so you're making the flash run faster too
2015-12-07T15:23:00 < dongs> and crashes soon
2015-12-07T15:23:05 < zyp> which you're not supposed to do
2015-12-07T15:23:41 < zyp> like I said, try execution from ram
2015-12-07T15:23:46 < zyp> that might be the trick you need
2015-12-07T15:24:09 < dongs> which part should be in ram?
2015-12-07T15:24:12 < dongs> all?
2015-12-07T15:24:25 < dongs> just for test i guess
2015-12-07T15:24:37 < zyp> the main loop and all it calls
2015-12-07T15:24:47 < zyp> so pretty much all
2015-12-07T15:25:10 < zyp> should fit
2015-12-07T15:26:08 < zyp> I've got larger projects that'll fit easily within 10k code and 10k data, and you're claiming armcc is more efficient than gcc, so you shouldn't have a problem
2015-12-07T15:27:40 < dongs> hm need to figure out how to target this shit for ram
2015-12-07T15:27:51 < dongs> where teh fuck would interrupt vectors and shit go?
2015-12-07T15:28:54 < Sync> east
2015-12-07T15:29:15 < __rob> you can just put them at the start of ram, theres stuff to remap 0x0 to begining of ram, or begining of flash
2015-12-07T15:29:50 < zyp> or just keep them in flash, you're not using interrupts, so their performance doesn't matter
2015-12-07T15:30:01 < zyp> (assuming you're not using systick)
2015-12-07T15:31:16 < __rob> dongs, is this while writing the flash ?
2015-12-07T15:31:23 < dongs> nope
2015-12-07T15:31:33 < dongs> this is shitty code that is too slow @ 72mhz
2015-12-07T15:31:55 < dongs> k ill make a new section and then __attribute(section) stuff to there or osmething
2015-12-07T15:31:59 < dongs> i think thats one way to get most of teh shit in ram
2015-12-07T15:32:23 < zyp> yeah, assuming keil or whatever takes care of getting the startup code to copy it to ram
2015-12-07T15:32:32 < dongs> it fucking better
2015-12-07T15:32:53 < zyp> haha
2015-12-07T15:32:57 < __rob> there must be, all your bss section has to be copied at startup
2015-12-07T15:33:21 < zyp> __rob, no, __data
2015-12-07T15:33:28 < zyp> .data, I mean
2015-12-07T15:33:34 < zyp> .bss just get cleared
2015-12-07T15:33:43 < __rob> sorry, yes data
2015-12-07T15:33:46 < zyp> but even so, a custom section is custom
2015-12-07T15:39:42 < dongs> no difference
2015-12-07T15:42:18 < dongs> hm
2015-12-07T15:42:22 < dongs> im not so sure it actually ends up in ram
2015-12-07T15:42:25 < dongs> map file looks weird
2015-12-07T15:43:13 < dongs>     scl_changed                              0x08000bb1   Thumb Code   300  main.o(RW_IRAM1)
2015-12-07T15:43:16 < dongs> wtf you piece of shit
2015-12-07T15:43:29 < dongs> how about actually sticking it in that section
2015-12-07T15:50:12 < dongs> oh wow
2015-12-07T15:50:16 < dongs> its way easier than that
2015-12-07T15:52:05 < dongs> but yeah
2015-12-07T15:52:08 < dongs> its not flash speed.
2015-12-07T15:52:15 < dongs> its mhz.
2015-12-07T15:52:20 < dongs> got entire thing runing from ram
2015-12-07T15:52:22 < dongs> no difference
2015-12-07T15:52:24 < zyp> hmm, okay
2015-12-07T15:52:39 < dongs> btw the -to ram- assignment is per file
2015-12-07T15:52:49 < dongs> file properties -> code/const -> and choose section name
2015-12-07T15:54:47 < dongs> the only thing i really see changeing between MHz is that ack pulse
2015-12-07T15:54:48 < dongs> width
2015-12-07T15:57:59 < zyp> well, of course, you're only seeing addr and writes, so ACK is the only thing the slave sends
2015-12-07T15:58:06 < dongs> haha
2015-12-07T15:58:13 < dongs> i inlined scl_cahnged and sda_Changed
2015-12-07T15:58:17 < dongs> and now it hasnt crashed yet at 72mhz
2015-12-07T15:59:37 < qyx> weird compiler not doing it automatically
2015-12-07T15:59:47 < dongs> they're huge functions.
2015-12-07T15:59:55 < zyp> but only called once
2015-12-07T16:00:08 < zyp> they'd probably get inlined if they were declared static
2015-12-07T16:00:50 < zyp> because then they can't get called by other objects, and so the compiler know that they're only called once
2015-12-07T16:03:26 < dongs> put it back in flash
2015-12-07T16:03:28 < dongs> still works at 72
2015-12-07T16:03:37 < dongs> but its probably very marginal ahha
2015-12-07T16:03:44 < dongs> if the function call clock cycles caused it to delay
2015-12-07T16:04:23 < zyp> depends, branching might be relatively expensive due to pipelining
2015-12-07T16:05:43 < PaulFertser> zyp: it's a bit sad C doesn't globals are not externally visible by default.
2015-12-07T16:05:54 < dongs> ????
2015-12-07T16:06:01 < dongs> what do you want, PHP?
2015-12-07T16:06:35 < qyx> why should they be?
2015-12-07T16:07:27 < PaulFertser> Globals should not be externally visible by default to allow optimisation opportunities.
2015-12-07T16:07:34 < PaulFertser> But alas
2015-12-07T16:07:37 < jubatus> what do you mean by externally visible by default ? put a declaration in a header and they're externally visible.
2015-12-07T16:07:43 < PaulFertser> jubatus: lol, no
2015-12-07T16:07:49 < PaulFertser> jubatus: headers are unrelated
2015-12-07T16:07:53 < zyp> jubatus, they are externally visible by default
2015-12-07T16:07:59 < zyp> static makes them invisible
2015-12-07T16:08:02 < PaulFertser> jubatus: static keyword is abused to mean local visibility in C.
2015-12-07T16:08:07 < jubatus> you're talking about the linker ?
2015-12-07T16:08:15 < PaulFertser> jubatus: no, that's affecting compilation as well.
2015-12-07T16:08:25 < zyp> jubatus, no, object symbol visibility
2015-12-07T16:08:26 < PaulFertser> jubatus: dongs just faced that himself.
2015-12-07T16:08:37 < jubatus> they're visible to the linker. they're not visible to a different .C file unless you extern them in it.
2015-12-07T16:09:09 < zyp> jubatus, you're thinking about it the wrong way
2015-12-07T16:09:20 < jubatus> evidently
2015-12-07T16:09:34 < jubatus> where am I going wrong ?
2015-12-07T16:09:42 < zyp> the compiler doesn't know whether a function is declared in a header or another C file and can be called from there, so all that is irrelevant
2015-12-07T16:10:16 < zyp> the thing that matters is that the symbol is visible in the object file, and thus it might be declared and called elsewhere or it might not
2015-12-07T16:10:18 < jubatus> ah ok. for optimisation.
2015-12-07T16:10:25 < zyp> the compiler doesn't know, so it can't optimize
2015-12-07T16:10:29 < jubatus> got it.
2015-12-07T16:10:39 < PaulFertser> dongs should now say that it's all irrelevant because pro shit does LTO. But why didn't it work this time, or do you have it disabled?
2015-12-07T16:10:53 < dongs> PaulFertser: this problem is not about LTO at all
2015-12-07T16:11:19 < zyp> sure it is, LTO would be able to inline this stuff
2015-12-07T16:11:20 < PaulFertser> dongs: proper LTO would make them inline, no matter if they're static or not.
2015-12-07T16:11:33 < zyp> because LTO would know that they're only called once in that one object
2015-12-07T16:12:07 < zyp> I disagree with PaulFertser though, I like the default visibility
2015-12-07T16:12:11 < jubatus> inlining is done by the compiler or the linker ?
2015-12-07T16:12:18 < jubatus> if its done by the compiler then LTO is irrelevant.
2015-12-07T16:12:24 < dongs> hmm
2015-12-07T16:12:26 < dongs> so far so good
2015-12-07T16:12:43 < zyp> jubatus, well, duh
2015-12-07T16:12:55 < zyp> jubatus, it's the other way around
2015-12-07T16:12:55 < dongs> i wonder how much extra shit i can add in addr_cb
2015-12-07T16:13:07 < jubatus> inlining is done by the linker ? I don't think so.
2015-12-07T16:13:08 < PaulFertser> zyp: why do you like it?
2015-12-07T16:13:10 < zyp> if you're using LTO, it's done by the linker, otherwise by the compiler
2015-12-07T16:13:14 < jubatus> oh. ok.
2015-12-07T16:13:16 < Sync> PaulFertser: iirc macroshaft turned off LTO because it did not do much good and wants DEM RAMS
2015-12-07T16:13:23 < zyp> that's why it's called Link Time Optimization
2015-12-07T16:13:25 < jubatus> I didn't know this. is it a gcc-only thing ?
2015-12-07T16:13:30 < Sync> no
2015-12-07T16:14:00 < jubatus> not LTO, the inlining by compiler or linker thing.
2015-12-07T16:14:08 < zyp> PaulFertser, because I'm lazy and it avoids me having to care whether I want something exposed or not
2015-12-07T16:14:12 < jubatus> it seems like it would be a very complicated thing to do.
2015-12-07T16:14:31 < jubatus> the compiler would have to provide both variations to the linker.
2015-12-07T16:14:35 < jubatus> inlined and not-inlined.
2015-12-07T16:15:13 < zyp> PaulFertser, wrongly not hiding stuff is a possible missed optimization, wrongly not exposing stuff is a build breaking problem
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2015-12-07T16:15:42 < zyp> so I like the default of exposing everything unless I say otherwise
2015-12-07T16:15:58 < zyp> and, like you say, LTO is supposed to catch this anyway
2015-12-07T16:16:42 < dongs> isee, germans added a whole lot of shit
2015-12-07T16:16:50 < dongs> to reads
2015-12-07T16:17:16 < dongs> temperature/notreadycount/RPM/reserved/voltage/slavei2cerrorcount/versionhi\lo
2015-12-07T16:18:25 < PaulFertser> zyp: I like build breaking problems, they allow to fix bugs early.
2015-12-07T16:18:42 < dongs> PaulFertser: you use libopencm3 right?
2015-12-07T16:19:03 < zyp> PaulFertser, C is tedious enough as it is
2015-12-07T16:19:04 < PaulFertser> dongs: a bit, and not for I2C. At $joy I was using the shit-library.
2015-12-07T16:19:22 < PaulFertser> s/$joy/$job/ of course, not much joy there
2015-12-07T16:19:32 < dongs> :) nice to see that libopencm3 is confirmed to be NOT PRO
2015-12-07T16:19:37 < dongs> thank you
2015-12-07T16:19:45 < zyp> breaking problems is nice for actual problems
2015-12-07T16:19:59 < PaulFertser> dongs: those projects were started before libopencm3 was created.
2015-12-07T16:20:43 < PaulFertser> dongs: at that job I refused to participate in a project that's using russian cm3 controller because my coworkers refused to port libopencm3 to it.
2015-12-07T16:21:10 < PaulFertser> dongs: and for any new project I would refuse using the shitlibrary, I'd rather spend time improving something more sane.
2015-12-07T16:21:25 < dongs> sooo.
2015-12-07T16:21:33 < dongs> my chrome bug was merged into a wontfix issue.
2015-12-07T16:21:34 < dongs> real nice.
2015-12-07T16:21:41 < zyp> cool
2015-12-07T16:21:44 < zyp> which bug?
2015-12-07T16:21:44 < dongs> time to switch to Internet Explorer Edge.
2015-12-07T16:21:49 < dongs> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=566284
2015-12-07T16:22:59 < PaulFertser> dongs: the shitlibrary is nowhere near pro, it's a silly mess, and we've lost many hours debugging due to that. And you know it. So rather than writing directly to registers it's easier to improve libopencm3 and use that.
2015-12-07T16:23:25 < mitrax> PaulFerster: you mean stdperiph or stm32cube?
2015-12-07T16:23:38 < dongs> probably either
2015-12-07T16:23:41 < dongs> they're both pretty shit :)
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2015-12-07T16:24:19 < mitrax> gaaah... friend of mine put a board with a touch screen LCD we've made in the freezer at -26°C to make sure it works at low temperature (it's for something that will stay outdoor), he got the board out, tested it and told me "it works, but it runs a bit slower" ...
2015-12-07T16:24:41 < dongs> lols, cuz LCD is slow to refresh cold?
2015-12-07T16:24:45 < mitrax> "no it doesn't it's a feeling you've got" "-yes it does!" ...
2015-12-07T16:25:24 < mitrax> i tried to explain to him that it doesn't make sense at that there's no reason why it would run slower but he insists
2015-12-07T16:25:41 < zyp> dongs, oh, yeah, that stuff is annoying
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2015-12-07T16:25:49 < dongs> zyp, annoying isnt the word for it
2015-12-07T16:25:51 < PaulFertser> mitrax: I worked with stdperiph
2015-12-07T16:25:53 < dongs> its fucking rage inducing
2015-12-07T16:26:24 < Sync> mitrax: he probably means the display reacts slower :D
2015-12-07T16:29:53 < kakimir> have you guys used any exotic can tranceivers?
2015-12-07T16:30:12 < kakimir> instead of lets say mcp25xx
2015-12-07T16:30:46 < kakimir> or mc33901
2015-12-07T16:31:01 < kakimir> or ata6560
2015-12-07T16:31:16 < kakimir> I want to my board support them all
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2015-12-07T16:34:20 < kakimir> I made a component just for NCV7341
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2015-12-07T16:43:30 < kakimir> music time machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abSadQcziEM
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2015-12-07T16:48:57 < kakimir> so tight songs pendulum made ten years back
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2015-12-07T16:53:30 < kakimir> there is some nasty pin in this one can tranceiver that drives regulators gnd pins up
2015-12-07T16:53:33 < kakimir> INH
2015-12-07T16:53:50 < kakimir> to create some biasing or something
2015-12-07T16:53:52 < kakimir> nasty
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2015-12-07T16:56:53 < kakimir> shifting whole logig level of the system
2015-12-07T16:56:59 < kakimir> logic
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2015-12-07T17:19:08 < kakimir> can I protect can tranceiver pins from overvoltage with ptc fuses connected to can lines?
2015-12-07T17:19:22 < kakimir> and is there any issue with it?
2015-12-07T17:19:47 < dongs> how would ptc protect from overvoltage
2015-12-07T17:20:46 < kakimir> when diode clamps it
2015-12-07T17:20:58 < kakimir> tvs + internal clamp diodes
2015-12-07T17:21:25 < kakimir> is this a sound plan?
2015-12-07T17:21:47 < zyp> you could protect against overvoltage with ptc+tvs, but I'm not sure how running can signals through that would be
2015-12-07T17:22:03 < kakimir> slow it down maybe
2015-12-07T17:25:35 < Lux> does the chipselect pin have any influence on an stm32f0 when i set it to NSS_hard in slave mode ?
2015-12-07T17:25:41 < dongs> no
2015-12-07T17:25:46 < dongs> oh slave
2015-12-07T17:25:53 < dongs> it should yeah
2015-12-07T17:25:55 < Lux> kinda seems like it has no effect
2015-12-07T17:26:10 < dongs> who's clocking you?
2015-12-07T17:26:10 < Lux> still receiving even if cs is high
2015-12-07T17:26:30 < Lux> the master should, but maybe i got something wrong in the slave config
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2015-12-07T17:30:04 < Lux> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/VMVZiu29.html
2015-12-07T17:30:14 < Lux> that's what i have it set to
2015-12-07T17:31:11 < Lux> currently i'm enabling the spi via an interrupt on the cs line, but that can't be the optimal solution
2015-12-07T17:31:53 < Lux> if that's really the only way st fucked up bad
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2015-12-07T17:33:04 < kakimir> oh there is can tranceivers with bus protection for 24volt systems
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2015-12-07T17:34:02 < kakimir> there was one machine controlled with canbus remote and they drove over the cable
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2015-12-07T17:34:26 < kakimir> fried the shit out of remote and control unit
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2015-12-07T17:35:12 < kakimir> remote fed one can line 24volts
2015-12-07T17:35:26 < kakimir> even the cable was changed
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2015-12-07T17:45:16 < kakimir> so propably they didn't have chips that could take 24volts
2015-12-07T17:45:39 < Taxman> and now you have to replace the can transceiver?
2015-12-07T17:50:48 < kakimir> didn't take the job
2015-12-07T17:51:38 < kakimir> controlled had like 200wires to it
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2015-12-07T17:54:27 < kakimir> and whole thing was paralyzed to yard and it was raining shit
2015-12-07T17:55:55 < kakimir> and boss of the place was chainsmoking cubans and worker of the place was chainsmoking red boro and I was chainsmoking green
2015-12-07T17:56:18 < dongs> niice
2015-12-07T17:56:45 < dongs> zyp: got the config reading code stuff working too
2015-12-07T17:58:01 < Getty> everytime i buy compressed gas i HAVE to play with it..... i am not alone, or?
2015-12-07T17:58:35 < dongs> what do you do wiht it
2015-12-07T17:58:45 < dongs> spray it into your butt?
2015-12-07T17:58:52 < Getty> LOL! dont give me ideas! ;)
2015-12-07T17:59:05 < Getty> well like spraying areas i can easily clean by hand
2015-12-07T17:59:06 < mitrax> Getty: if i had a cat i probably would
2015-12-07T17:59:14 < Getty> or spraying areas i should wipe and not spray ;)
2015-12-07T17:59:17 < Getty> hahaha
2015-12-07T17:59:21 < Getty> thats evil ;) but good ;)
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2015-12-07T18:02:29 < mitrax> Getty: whenever i get one of those i get into a cleaning frenzy and air dust everything... so the can lasts about 20 min :(
2015-12-07T18:02:41 < Getty> mitrax: yeah exactly!
2015-12-07T18:02:56 < Getty> i actually wanted to buy a machine for this, the last one i bought was not powerful enough, so i went back to the cans
2015-12-07T18:03:14 < Getty> i really want like in car garage one of those things coming from the ceiling to grab and spray!
2015-12-07T18:03:28 < mitrax> yeah at my friend's workshop there's a pneumatic compressor
2015-12-07T18:03:30 < Getty> its really sad that smoking developers are no target group for anyone! ;)
2015-12-07T18:03:32 < mitrax> it's really nice to clean computers
2015-12-07T18:03:56 < mitrax> i mean... you don't have to worry about running out of air
2015-12-07T18:04:08 < Getty> ;-)
2015-12-07T18:04:20 < Getty> and as kids who like to play that is REALLY a nice target
2015-12-07T18:05:13 < dongs> i have compressed air socket in my office going to a compressor with dryer
2015-12-07T18:05:13 < mitrax> eheh
2015-12-07T18:05:31 < dongs> so I can just run one of those coiled air cables to a gun and blow on stuff
2015-12-07T18:05:35 < dongs> no need for shitty canned air
2015-12-07T18:05:42 < Getty> yeah thats where we wanna go! :)
2015-12-07T18:07:24 < mitrax> ahaha that reminds me of something that happened there
2015-12-07T18:07:57 < mitrax> friend of mine had a defective hdd on a laptop, the head wouldn't synchronize on the plate and was clunking
2015-12-07T18:08:31 < dongs> he took it apart and blew air on it?
2015-12-07T18:08:36 < mitrax> so we opened it up, played a little with the bracket it's mounted on, got it to synchronize and started copying files (well yeah you're supposed to do that in a clean room but the hdd was dead anyway)
2015-12-07T18:08:37 < dongs> sounds pro already
2015-12-07T18:09:18 < mitrax> after 10 minutes it started erroring, so my friend blew compressed air on it, worked the first time, started retrieveing data again
2015-12-07T18:09:37 < mitrax> then the second time, he picked the wrong can
2015-12-07T18:09:48 < Getty> <facepalm>
2015-12-07T18:09:50 < mitrax> it wasn't compressed air but the cooling stuff that's -50°C
2015-12-07T18:10:08 < Getty> some coloring would have been funnier ;)
2015-12-07T18:10:16 < dongs> i was thiking WD40
2015-12-07T18:10:21 < dongs> in a spraycan
2015-12-07T18:10:22 < mitrax> frozen ice formed on the plater and the head went DZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
2015-12-07T18:10:39 < Getty> poor head
2015-12-07T18:10:48 < mitrax> it took me like 3 or 4 sec to figure out what had just happened
2015-12-07T18:10:54 < mitrax> had a good laugh that day ahahah
2015-12-07T18:18:56 < dongs>        		I2C_WriteByte((Motor[motor_write].ReadMode<<3)|(Motor[motor_write].SetPointLowerBits & 0x07));
2015-12-07T18:19:01 < dongs> sneaky as fuck
2015-12-07T18:19:15 < dongs> almost missed <<3 cuz it looked too much like <3
2015-12-07T18:19:48 < gxti> can't let love cloud your judgement dongs
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2015-12-07T18:20:54 < dongs> also nasty german unindented un-spaced code
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2015-12-07T18:24:03 < Lux> mikrocopter ?
2015-12-07T18:25:38 < dongs> ya
2015-12-07T18:25:43 < dongs> what else has shit looking code liek that
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2015-12-07T18:31:35 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/a/KwOrn
2015-12-07T18:31:55 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RadioLink-AT10-2-4G-10CH-Transmitter-w-R10D-Receiver-PRM-01-Voltage-Orange-UK1-/141432513895 what is this
2015-12-07T18:34:22 < dongs> nice screen
2015-12-07T18:34:29 < dongs> not much of a sale
2015-12-07T18:35:51 < kakimir> no modules
2015-12-07T18:35:59 < kakimir> it's shiet
2015-12-07T18:38:15 < ReadError> kakimir get a taranis
2015-12-07T18:38:23 < ReadError> dont even consider any other option
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2015-12-07T18:48:44 < Amperture> Fav Dev boards
2015-12-07T18:48:44 < Amperture> GO
2015-12-07T18:48:56 < dongs> NetDuino
2015-12-07T18:54:22 < kc2uez> 32F746G Discovery hands down
2015-12-07T19:01:17 < Laurenceb> arduino
2015-12-07T19:09:14 < aandrew> that's actually an interesting question
2015-12-07T19:09:23 < aandrew> I"ve used many dev boards. I don't know that I have a favourite
2015-12-07T19:09:45 < kc2uez> STM32F746G is only $50 and has a lot of peripherals, just the LCD alone should be that much
2015-12-07T19:10:06 < aandrew> I I've used my PSoC5LP (CY8CKIT-050) many times just because it's easy, and I also use an arduino fairly often to knock together a quick test for the exact same reason
2015-12-07T19:10:39 < aandrew> I've got a half dozen STM32 discovery boards (with LCD and without) and they're ok, but I haven't really used them much
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2015-12-07T19:11:04 < Getty> yeah we also bought the big baby, and we used it..... aehm... wait no, we didnt used it at all
2015-12-07T19:11:14 < Getty> i think i started it once
2015-12-07T19:11:18 < Getty> thats it
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2015-12-07T19:12:07 < aandrew> I've got a handful of FPGA dev boards as well (DE0-Nano, BeMicro CY4 and CY5, CY5 SoCKIT, MAX10, Lattice MachXO2, Xilinx...) they dont' get used much but are nice for experiments too
2015-12-07T19:12:44 < aandrew> then there's the ESP8266 one, a couple PIC and AVR ones... I think I've stopped using these things and simply started collecting them :-)
2015-12-07T19:13:00 < dongs> ive got a huge box with pretty much every -discovery board in it
2015-12-07T19:13:06 < dongs> number of times I actually used any of htem: zero
2015-12-07T19:13:07 < Getty> i really think those boards should be put into test infrastructures
2015-12-07T19:13:30 < Getty> so attached to network that via travis common systems (like libopencm3) can run a testsuite on them
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2015-12-07T20:24:57 < Laurenceb> <eroomde> i have just given myself a blister by enthusiastically air-conducing some beethoven on the radio with a fork, held with the tines pressing into the palm of my hand
2015-12-07T20:25:05 < Laurenceb> ^English guy spotted
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2015-12-07T20:27:58 < kc2uez> Laurenceb, how is the rocket going?
2015-12-07T20:28:54 < Laurenceb> so so
2015-12-07T20:28:58 < Laurenceb> busy with work
2015-12-07T20:29:05 < Laurenceb> I keep changing the design :-/
2015-12-07T20:38:56 < Laurenceb> current design is a Klima D motor
2015-12-07T20:41:47 < Laurenceb> currently adding aerodynamic heating to the sim code
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2015-12-07T20:51:42 < kc2uez> I have never played the sims
2015-12-07T20:54:37 < kc2uez> are these the motors? http://www.raketenmodellbau-klima.de/
2015-12-07T20:55:30 < Steffanx> i though rockoon was work Laurenceb
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2015-12-07T20:59:22 < Laurenceb> kc2uez: yeah those
2015-12-07T20:59:40 < Laurenceb> should get to about 125km from 36km launch
2015-12-07T21:06:11 < kc2uez> 125km? geez a little more and you can start deploying satellites
2015-12-07T21:08:50 < Laurenceb> thats with a couple of grams for an 868mhz CW tracker
2015-12-07T21:09:17 < kc2uez> wait, 36km launch? from sea level?
2015-12-07T21:09:30 < kc2uez> i don't get it
2015-12-07T21:10:23 < kc2uez> everest is 8.8km from sea level
2015-12-07T21:10:34 < englishman> hes talking about raccoons
2015-12-07T21:10:46 < Laurenceb> I'm confused
2015-12-07T21:10:57 < Laurenceb> I thought you were asking because you had seen my talk lol
2015-12-07T21:11:06 < Laurenceb> that was kind of the title of the talk :D
2015-12-07T21:12:19 < kc2uez> i saw about 2 seconds of that talk, but I remember you were working on an antenna the other day
2015-12-07T21:12:35 < Laurenceb> yeah the antenna is the the 868Mhz
2015-12-07T21:16:04 < qyx> mhm
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2015-12-07T21:17:12 < qyx> dongs: wat was the RGB led chip you used in the past?
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2015-12-07T21:20:25 < qyx> with the SPI-like protocol
2015-12-07T21:21:52 < Laurenceb> http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=A+New+Approach+to+Linear+Filtering+and+Prediction+Problems
2015-12-07T21:21:59 < Laurenceb> lol the number of citations
2015-12-07T21:29:42 < kc2uez> wrong channel?
2015-12-07T21:32:11 < Bright> help, i broke my stm32f030f4
2015-12-07T21:32:31 < Bright> Error: error writing to flash at address 0x08000000 at offset 0x00000000
2015-12-07T21:33:38 < Bright> http://pastebin.com/2Wtw3DeC
2015-12-07T21:36:18 < englishman> ctrl+z to go back
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2015-12-07T21:40:06 < Bright> never mind
2015-12-07T21:40:12 < Bright> it just needs flash write_image erase
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2015-12-07T22:29:14 < PaulFertser> Bright: I suggest you use "program" command instead of all the detailed commands, it should do the right thing, and it's the only one you need.
2015-12-07T22:41:49 < Lux> seems like hardware chipselect on stm32f0 slave works after all
2015-12-07T22:42:07 < Lux> maybe it didn't work cause i had crc enabled
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2015-12-07T23:36:57 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRFZjVzdWekl5RGs/view?usp=sharing figured how I could get fixed height to bearings
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2015-12-07T23:38:31 < kakimir> using level table and short egdes rounded 20mm steel bar then pressing to table level and clamping the piece down
2015-12-07T23:38:34 < Steffanx> uh what is it kakimir?
2015-12-07T23:39:16 < kakimir> bearings to lever mechanism
2015-12-07T23:39:58 < kakimir> those pieces are to be mounted to oven foot part frame
2015-12-07T23:40:56 < kakimir> also 2pcs of strain gauges
2015-12-07T23:41:37 < kakimir> oven itself doesn't have direct mechanical connection to foot part frame but heads of levers
2015-12-07T23:42:00 < Laurenceb> interesting
2015-12-07T23:42:51 < kakimir> it also helps to avoid heat transferring from oven mount bars to foot frame because of distance and number of mechanical connections between
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2015-12-07T23:59:05 < upgrdman> kakimir, why are you making an oven?
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2015-12-08T00:00:08 < kakimir> because I'm fucking stupid
2015-12-08T00:00:17 < kakimir> that's why
2015-12-08T00:17:05 < kakimir> okay INH pin in can transceiver is for not LDO gnd but LDO enable pin
2015-12-08T00:17:28 < kakimir> makes sense now
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2015-12-08T00:35:19 < Laurenceb> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Asperger_King.gif
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2015-12-08T01:13:38 < Getty> huehuehue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql1XtOs9VbE
2015-12-08T01:16:59 < kakimir> murica so nice
2015-12-08T01:17:46 < kakimir> in here if you protect yourself or your property you instantly become perp.
2015-12-08T01:21:30 < Getty> what is on the other side fascinating: everyone here locks their doors, but in america it seems they WANT that you come in, i accidentally once walked into the appartment at night
2015-12-08T01:21:36 < Getty> aehm the wrong appartment
2015-12-08T01:22:07 < Getty> did took some time to parse that someone left his door unlocked in the middle of the night
2015-12-08T01:22:09 < mitrax> Getty: eh of course they want you coming
2015-12-08T01:22:10 < kakimir> so if bulglars come to your house whole thing turns against you if you use force against them.. best thing to do is just call the cops and wait 2hours arriving
2015-12-08T01:22:17 < mitrax> Getty: how would they practice on a live target otherwise?
2015-12-08T01:22:17 < Getty> mitrax: yeah ;) if i think about it ;)
2015-12-08T01:22:46 < kakimir> you should have gone to your bed normally
2015-12-08T01:22:56 < Getty> kakimir: my town is so boring i would expect the cops being here in minutes... "FINALLY something todo!"
2015-12-08T01:22:57 < kakimir> in wrong house
2015-12-08T01:23:36 < Getty> and we are like detroit level economical seen ;)
2015-12-08T01:23:41 < Getty> and still no criminality.....
2015-12-08T01:23:46 < Getty> no robocop
2015-12-08T01:24:03 < Getty> btw: can someone explain to me how they were able to predict the future in robocop? always blows my mind
2015-12-08T01:24:39 < kakimir> witchcraft
2015-12-08T01:26:00 < kakimir> Getty: your town is... more white than detroit?
2015-12-08T01:26:56 < Getty> well, i had a black family living right on the other side of the street
2015-12-08T01:27:04 < Getty> so from my point of view 50/50 ;-)
2015-12-08T01:27:09 < Getty> heehehheheheehe
2015-12-08T01:27:29 < kakimir> maybe it's because of transient
2015-12-08T01:27:39 < Getty> its just cause of germany
2015-12-08T01:28:16 < kakimir> cause of old tech murican car
2015-12-08T01:29:05 < kakimir> and car manufacturers messing around with everything else than car manufacturing
2015-12-08T01:29:37 < Getty> yeah so again cause of germany ;)
2015-12-08T01:30:06 < Getty> without germany america would probably be leading car country ;-)
2015-12-08T01:30:18 < Getty> and detroit would still be big!
2015-12-08T01:30:20 < Getty> and relevant!
2015-12-08T01:31:03 < zyp> is not locking your door in the middle of the night so strange?
2015-12-08T01:31:24 < zyp> I don't tend to care about it
2015-12-08T01:32:18 < Getty> for me as a german it is, which is weird, cause its so safe that noone would dare to go in
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2015-12-08T01:33:23 < zyp> I used to when I lived in the student dorms, since there were a real risk of drunk and/or weird assholes in the hallways at night
2015-12-08T01:33:37 < kakimir> they made ridiculous cars and didn't invest in tech at all
2015-12-08T01:33:44 < kakimir> but started banking instead
2015-12-08T01:33:56 < kakimir> all the money
2015-12-08T01:34:19 < zyp> and then I moved, and the door at the new place required the key to lock it from the inside as well, and that was too much hassle so I stopped giving a fuck about locking it when I were home anyway
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2015-12-08T01:34:38 < Getty> zyp: in germany its like totally normal to lock doors, and yes always with key from inside
2015-12-08T01:34:49 < Getty> those "handlockers" are not used in germany, never saw one
2015-12-08T01:35:45 < Getty> i mean the door we have here as frontdoor doenst need to be locked from inside, whcih is the most often case, they are just autolocked and need key to be opened
2015-12-08T01:35:55 < kakimir> i don't understand locking with key from inside
2015-12-08T01:36:04 < Getty> cheap locks ;)
2015-12-08T01:36:06 < kakimir> some houses around here have that
2015-12-08T01:36:12 < Getty> its 1 less mechanical part and so cost less
2015-12-08T01:36:58 < kakimir> instead of just a knob?
2015-12-08T01:37:08 < kakimir> lock knob
2015-12-08T01:37:10 < Getty> its pretty common here in out of town areas, as it allows to let them unlocked
2015-12-08T01:37:20 < Getty> yeah you mean those things which you turn to lock the door?
2015-12-08T01:37:23 < Getty> yeah never ever saw those
2015-12-08T01:37:28 < Getty> here in germany
2015-12-08T01:37:37 < Getty> i know them from every US movie TV series and anything ;)
2015-12-08T01:37:40 < Getty> but still never ever saw them here
2015-12-08T01:38:52 < kakimir> http://cdn.primeweb.fi/www.lukkotehdas.fi/products/CY001_1.jpg this is standard here
2015-12-08T01:52:42 < kakimir> newer houses with plain looks may have some swedish flat faced locks
2015-12-08T01:53:38 < zyp> old place was kinda old
2015-12-08T01:53:45 < zyp> door lock was super old shit
2015-12-08T01:54:11 < zyp> normally locks in norwegian has this thing on the inside that you just twist
2015-12-08T01:54:34 < kakimir> did you see trhu from keyhole?
2015-12-08T01:54:36 < zyp> auto-locking doors is not used here at all, except for hotels
2015-12-08T01:54:39 < zyp> kakimir, yeah
2015-12-08T01:55:03 < zyp> hmm, that reminds me, I forgot to return the key
2015-12-08T01:55:29 < oz4ga> discussing north european locks is sexy :D
2015-12-08T01:57:59 < zyp> http://media.trioving.be/20121004-M_007573_opt.JPG <- this is what's common over here
2015-12-08T01:58:56 < celeron55> in finland whether you lock doors for the night or not  probably depends a lot on where you live; like in the city you most likely do, and on the countryside you don't
2015-12-08T01:59:15 < zyp> and how paranoid you are
2015-12-08T01:59:29 < celeron55> the risk of somebody unwanted coming in is ridiculously low in all cases though
2015-12-08T02:00:54 < zyp> locking the car is similar
2015-12-08T02:03:13 < zyp> I usually don't care about locking it if I don't have anything valuable in it and park at home or another place that feels safe
2015-12-08T02:06:27 < kakimir> if I lock doors it's for people I know
2015-12-08T02:06:36 < kakimir> not for people I dont know
2015-12-08T02:07:09 < celeron55> that's true for me too i guess
2015-12-08T02:07:32 < celeron55> it's not that i have anything particularly valuable in my car, but i'd be mad if my brother "borrowed" my tools from there
2015-12-08T02:07:42 < zyp> haha
2015-12-08T02:08:13 < kakimir> okay canbus connector 2pins
2015-12-08T02:08:18 < kakimir> H and L
2015-12-08T02:08:27 < kakimir> which is which?
2015-12-08T02:08:32 < kakimir> 1 and 2
2015-12-08T02:10:27 < kakimir> I have now 1 - L, 2 - H
2015-12-08T02:10:59 < PeterM> i would accumt 1 is H
2015-12-08T02:11:05 < PeterM> assume even
2015-12-08T02:11:05 < zyp> are you mimicing a standard?
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2015-12-08T02:11:33 < zyp> I wouldn't assume anything, I would find a pinout spec
2015-12-08T02:12:01 < kakimir> is there even standard 2pin connection?
2015-12-08T02:12:13 < zyp> I don't think so
2015-12-08T02:12:46 < dongs> qyx: that long time ago when I did 89x9 matrix?
2015-12-08T02:12:47 < PeterM> if itsw powered you can check with a dmm
2015-12-08T02:12:49 < dongs> qyx: it was some chinashit
2015-12-08T02:12:50 < zyp> I mean, I don't think CAN by itself specifies any connector, but there's different CAN-based buses that does
2015-12-08T02:13:13 < dongs> MY9221
2015-12-08T02:13:17 < dongs> it wasnt SPI, it was fucking DDR SPI
2015-12-08T02:13:25 < dongs> which means i couldnt use SPI/DMA to clock it
2015-12-08T02:13:32 < dongs> falling back to true tarduino ways of buttbang
2015-12-08T02:14:22 < zyp> should have just fed SCL through a 1-bit counter
2015-12-08T02:14:33 < dongs> i think we talked over this
2015-12-08T02:14:38 < zyp> we did
2015-12-08T02:14:45 < dongs> and i was way to lazy to revisit it :)
2015-12-08T02:14:48 < zyp> I don't remember why it wouldn't work though :p
2015-12-08T02:14:59 < dongs> i think it would, i just didnt feel like redoing the board
2015-12-08T02:16:58 < dongs> well i2c shit ran overnight at 72mhz
2015-12-08T02:17:03 < dongs> i finished implementing the rest of protocol
2015-12-08T02:17:06 < dongs> status/config read/write
2015-12-08T02:17:08 < dongs> and no errors
2015-12-08T02:17:13 < kakimir> so rj45 is used for can too
2015-12-08T02:17:41 < zyp> dongs, cool
2015-12-08T02:17:44 < dongs> inline all the things
2015-12-08T02:19:11 < kakimir> oh it has 2 canbusses in one
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2015-12-08T02:19:46 < kakimir> in one pinojut
2015-12-08T02:19:46 < dongs> kakimir: may i ask if you're currently assburgering
2015-12-08T02:19:52 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-08T02:19:54 < kakimir> desperatelly
2015-12-08T02:20:00 < dongs> could you please stop
2015-12-08T02:24:49 < PeterM> kakimir, you can crimp termiation resistors right into the back of RJ45 plugs too
2015-12-08T02:27:02 < dongs> heh yeah
2015-12-08T02:30:37 < kakimir> no it was asburgers
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2015-12-08T02:30:46 < kakimir> no rj to my board
2015-12-08T02:33:07 < Laurenceb> https://usahitman.com/wp-content/oqey_gallery/galleries/all-seeing-eye/galimg/rihanna-illuminati_1321320482.jpg
2015-12-08T02:33:22 < Laurenceb> illuminati confirmed
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2015-12-08T02:35:52 < Getty> half life 3 confirmed
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2015-12-08T02:45:45 < dongs> on twitter, plz
2015-12-08T02:51:44 < kakimir> I feel life draining from me as I draw universal can transceiver breakout board for third day
2015-12-08T02:51:54 < kakimir> schematic still
2015-12-08T02:55:01 < BrainDamage> then you decided to add moar vias
2015-12-08T02:55:14 < ReadError> def needs a lot of SMAs
2015-12-08T02:55:50 < kakimir> add via budget in schematic
2015-12-08T02:55:55 < kakimir> 1000pcs of vias or no go
2015-12-08T02:57:48 < kakimir> is there some classic gaymes that could be played with #stm32?
2015-12-08T02:58:41 < kakimir> multiplayer
2015-12-08T03:04:10 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSG0BmX_UgE musics
2015-12-08T03:04:51 < kakimir> 2012 good musics
2015-12-08T03:05:30 < kakimir> insane dance tracks
2015-12-08T03:13:53 < englishman> omg dongs still +g
2015-12-08T03:16:08 < dongs> fixd
2015-12-08T03:16:14 < englishman> hi
2015-12-08T03:16:22 < dongs> i think if you signoff once it'll +gay again
2015-12-08T03:16:24 < dongs> after /accept
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2015-12-08T03:41:47 < GargantuaSauce> oh is it musicspam time again? https://sunn.bandcamp.com/album/kannon
2015-12-08T03:51:36 < kakimir> sounds good
2015-12-08T03:52:59 < dongs> sounds trash
2015-12-08T03:54:30 < GargantuaSauce> sorry it doesnt have enough BPMs for you dongs
2015-12-08T03:56:54 < dongs> srsly
2015-12-08T03:57:43 < kakimir> sounds like forrest people
2015-12-08T03:59:16 < Laurenceb> why no ISIS rule 34
2015-12-08T03:59:52 < englishman> not halal
2015-12-08T04:00:00 < englishman> how is the magnificent queen today Laurenceb
2015-12-08T04:00:19 < Laurenceb> bitch isnt dead yet :-/
2015-12-08T04:00:33 < Laurenceb> the reptilians are stronger than ever
2015-12-08T04:00:39 < englishman> speaking against the queen? off with your head
2015-12-08T04:00:45 < kakimir> GargantuaSauce: so they were tuning their guitars?
2015-12-08T04:00:59 < kakimir> and left the mic on
2015-12-08T04:01:27 < GargantuaSauce> that is an acceptable interpretation
2015-12-08T04:01:35 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC7pn5LWjTQ
2015-12-08T04:02:49 < Laurenceb> top comment
2015-12-08T04:03:56 < Laurenceb> Queen E-lizardbreath
2015-12-08T04:08:01 < kakimir> are you okay Laurenceb?
2015-12-08T04:08:18 < Laurenceb> just my regular troll self
2015-12-08T04:08:26 -!- trepidacious [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
2015-12-08T04:09:14 < Laurenceb> moar lulz  http://lmgtfy.com/?q=8chan
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2015-12-08T04:09:50 < kakimir> what is it?
2015-12-08T04:12:00 < Laurenceb> no 8chan, its been removed
2015-12-08T04:12:06 < Laurenceb> b&
2015-12-08T04:12:11 < kakimir> yeah
2015-12-08T04:12:16 < kakimir> better so
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2015-12-08T04:12:51 < Laurenceb> lol
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2015-12-08T04:15:08 < dongs> wat
2015-12-08T04:21:31 < kakimir> 4:20 time to halt working
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2015-12-08T04:26:21 < dongs> 'sup
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2015-12-08T04:29:30 < mtbg> hi
2015-12-08T04:29:35 < dongs> bloggin
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2015-12-08T04:31:06 < dongs> UPS innovations can suck my fucking dick
2015-12-08T04:31:16 < dongs> the "innovation" is that y ou receive the package in a month
2015-12-08T04:31:19 < dongs> fucking garbage
2015-12-08T04:32:02 < GargantuaSauce> worst courier
2015-12-08T04:32:16 < johntramp> hey,  I am using a callback triggered by a GPT timeout. As far as I am aware this callback is executed as an ISR, (right?). Is it possble to change the priority of this IRQ?
2015-12-08T04:32:17 < dongs> it really is. i wish I could have just paid for non-free shipping
2015-12-08T04:32:28 < dongs> johntramp: GPT? wazzat
2015-12-08T04:32:47 < ds2> GPTimer?
2015-12-08T04:32:53 < dongs> is this some CUbe thing?
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2015-12-08T04:33:34 < johntramp> general-purpose timer
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2015-12-08T04:34:54 < johntramp> http://chibios.sourceforge.net/docs/hal_stm32l1xx_rm/group___g_p_t.html
2015-12-08T04:35:06 < kakimir> where is your blog dongs ?
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2015-12-08T04:35:19 < dongs> kakimir: tarduino.cc
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2015-12-08T04:36:34 < mtbg> dongs: seems you are into RC models, do you have any experiences with aerodiesel engines?
2015-12-08T04:36:52 < kakimir> okay it's actually your domain :|
2015-12-08T04:36:54 < dongs> lol no i only played with non-electric shit like 20 years ago
2015-12-08T04:36:56 < mtbg> or anyone else
2015-12-08T04:37:05 < mtbg> ok
2015-12-08T04:37:12 < dongs> with control line plane shits
2015-12-08T04:37:43 < mtbg> we have some cute aerodiesel engine that we don't know if it is still working
2015-12-08T04:37:58 < mtbg> there are some explosions when turning the axis with a drill
2015-12-08T04:38:08 < mtbg> but cannot self-sustain
2015-12-08T04:39:17 < kakimir> dongs: how did you get retina panel?
2015-12-08T04:39:26 < kakimir> and what it's use purpose would be?
2015-12-08T04:39:58 < dongs> kakimir: wut, its all over ebay/wahtever and i duno but ive sold hundreds so apparently trhere's a use
2015-12-08T04:40:41 < kakimir> you make moneys?
2015-12-08T04:41:11 < dongs> why not? is that not allowed?
2015-12-08T04:41:29 < ds2> aerodiesel?
2015-12-08T04:41:43 < ds2> thought all the small ones are the glow plug nitro engines
2015-12-08T04:42:15 < mtbg> https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M64019f2d41daf37c1f5c35741ac8aa69o0&w=300&h=300&p=0&pid=1.7
2015-12-08T04:42:20 < mtbg> something like that
2015-12-08T04:42:39 < mtbg> it doesn't have any plug
2015-12-08T04:42:48 < mtbg> it is to be started just by compressing the mixture
2015-12-08T04:43:15 < GargantuaSauce> johntramp: no idea what chibi's interface looks like but the relevant register is NVIC->IP, look up the interrupt number in the microcontroller family's reference manual
2015-12-08T04:43:54 < ds2> yes but for it to sustain, it needs a certain temperature
2015-12-08T04:43:55 < kakimir> could you stuff that retina display to your existing laptop or so
2015-12-08T04:44:00 < kakimir> and have 4k win
2015-12-08T04:44:04 < ds2> the glow plug gets things going then you disconnect the power
2015-12-08T04:44:33 < mtbg> this one apparently doesn't by design
2015-12-08T04:44:39 < mtbg> it only has a heat sink
2015-12-08T04:44:43 < mtbg> to cool it down
2015-12-08T04:44:56 < mtbg> we tried heating the heatsink to ~170 C
2015-12-08T04:45:12 < mtbg> helps somewhat, but still not sustaining
2015-12-08T04:45:36 < ds2> heat the intake with a hot air gun?
2015-12-08T04:45:53 < ds2> compression heats air
2015-12-08T04:46:13 < mtbg> yep, that compression heating mixture is the principle of operation
2015-12-08T04:46:35 < mtbg> so only the speed of compressing it, which should be high enough, should matter
2015-12-08T04:46:55 < ds2> even auto diesels need glow plugs if the weather is low enough
2015-12-08T04:47:08 < ds2> what kind of fuel are you using?
2015-12-08T04:47:23 < mtbg> diethyl ether / kerosene / castor oil mixture
2015-12-08T04:47:40 < GargantuaSauce> that sounds delicious
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2015-12-08T04:48:10 < ds2> the RC engines use nitromethane + oil, IIRC
2015-12-08T04:48:35 < mtbg> some suggests adding 2% isopropyl nitrate
2015-12-08T04:48:43 < mtbg> and may be worth trying
2015-12-08T04:48:46 < ds2> donno what that is
2015-12-08T04:49:10 < ds2> it sounds like the energy from the fuel burn is not enough to compress the next cycle
2015-12-08T04:50:27 < mtbg> but it may be also from fuel insensitivity
2015-12-08T04:50:35 < mtbg> which isopropyl nitrate can help
2015-12-08T04:51:15 < PeterM> mix a VERY small amount of ammonium nitrate with it, she'll be pinging
2015-12-08T04:51:33 < mtbg> will it mix?
2015-12-08T04:51:39 < kakimir> glow plug in car diesel is not used because of coldness of air
2015-12-08T04:51:42 < mtbg> since all the other stuff is non-polar
2015-12-08T04:51:51 < mtbg> I don't know if it will dissolve
2015-12-08T04:52:06 < PeterM> if you powder it and mix it in it should  be enough
2015-12-08T04:52:20 < PeterM> i know i've done it on old tracors before
2015-12-08T04:52:23 < PeterM> works fine
2015-12-08T04:52:27 < kakimir> but because engine may rotate so slowly gas mixture doesn't reach sufficiently heat up in cylinder
2015-12-08T04:53:27 < kakimir> if it was the temperature of air it would need constant heating
2015-12-08T04:53:39 < englishman> so its a glow engine with no glow plug
2015-12-08T04:54:15 < kakimir> I wonder as it is isobaric process
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2015-12-08T04:54:31 < kakimir> is there minimum temperature where diesel engine stops igniting
2015-12-08T04:55:31 < ds2> kakimir: my understanding is the glow plug gets hot enough then the fuel keeps it hot
2015-12-08T04:55:56 < kakimir> in diesel?
2015-12-08T04:57:28 < ds2> yes
2015-12-08T04:57:32 < johntramp> GargantuaSauce   thanks
2015-12-08T04:57:39 < PeterM> kakimir, i assume there is a minimum temperature where diesel engine stops igniting without the help of glow tmep, but there would be so many variables, like cyl surface area, compression ratio, fuel air mix etc
2015-12-08T04:57:49 < ds2> friend used to have a very old diesel VW rabbit
2015-12-08T04:58:11 < ds2> he runs it for a short time before starting
2015-12-08T04:58:38 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glowplug
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2015-12-08T05:03:35 < GargantuaSauce> johntramp: also it's worth verifying that that callback is indeed invoked from the ISR and not the scheduler or whatever. and especially if the priority is being increased be cautious about doing anything that takes too much time as you'll be blocking other peripherals' ISRs
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2015-12-08T05:03:42 < ds2> this might be relevant - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glow_plug_%28model_engine%29
2015-12-08T05:03:43 < kakimir> compression doesn't give enought heat to sustain ignition and sufficient burning because of - slow rotation - and - high heat absorbing mass
2015-12-08T05:04:36 < kakimir> mtbg: if you rotate that engine slowly
2015-12-08T05:05:18 < BrainDamage> huge thermal capacity won't be as much as a problem as high losses, the thermal capacity can just be offset by running the glow plug ignition longer to ensure ignition each cycle
2015-12-08T05:05:22 < kakimir> does it have backlash?
2015-12-08T05:05:35 < BrainDamage> until the steady state temp is reached
2015-12-08T05:05:36 < mtbg> nope, no ignition at slow rotation
2015-12-08T05:05:51 < mtbg> with warmed heatsink and driving it with a drill
2015-12-08T05:05:52 < kakimir> but does it keep pressure?
2015-12-08T05:06:00 < mtbg> on high setting
2015-12-08T05:06:19 < mtbg> it does spontaneously ignite the mixture
2015-12-08T05:06:26 < mtbg> yep, seems fine then
2015-12-08T05:06:34 < mtbg> it is quite hard to turn by hand
2015-12-08T05:06:55 < kakimir> when you push the propeller and then release it does it bounce back to relaxed state?
2015-12-08T05:06:56 < mtbg> and it depends on the state of the cycle
2015-12-08T05:07:01 < BrainDamage> add torque converter if load is so high it chokes the engine
2015-12-08T05:07:02 < mtbg> yep
2015-12-08T05:07:22 < johntramp> GargantuaSauce: yes, thanks for the warning :)
2015-12-08T05:07:36 < kakimir> don't those engines run like 40000rpm or so?
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2015-12-08T05:09:34 < BrainDamage> even better, for the lulz, add a motor-generator pair ( will still need a fixed torque converter at the output )
2015-12-08T05:09:45 < BrainDamage> to add some dead weight
2015-12-08T05:09:45 < mtbg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_RH7i0U2o
2015-12-08T05:10:01 < mtbg> guy is able to start similar engine with his hand
2015-12-08T05:10:41 < dongs> er, thats how you start them generally
2015-12-08T05:10:48 < dongs> but if youre not pro enough, you get your hands chopped
2015-12-08T05:11:32 < kakimir> do you see glow plugs?
2015-12-08T05:11:50 < GargantuaSauce> i always wince at these videos. i am clumsy as fuck and would end up with a mangled limb or two
2015-12-08T05:13:36 < dongs> i started some small engines like that by hand, its not a big deal, and there's also a kinda glove/fat finger thing you can wear if youre not fast enough
2015-12-08T05:13:59 < dongs> or apparently hobbyking sells a 'starting stick'
2015-12-08T05:13:59 < dongs> heh
2015-12-08T05:14:31 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__46116__Sullivan_Products_Deluxe_Chicken_Stick.html
2015-12-08T05:14:34 < dongs> wat
2015-12-08T05:14:44 < BrainDamage> can't you just wrap a rope on the shaft?
2015-12-08T05:14:51 < ds2> some even have a spring thing you wind up to start it
2015-12-08T05:14:57 < dongs> BrainDamage: lol no
2015-12-08T05:15:04 < dongs> if by any luck it doesnt separate you'll be mega fucked
2015-12-08T05:15:06 < GargantuaSauce> well less the starting itself and more when he's adjusting the compression screw with his thumb like a couple cm away from the blades
2015-12-08T05:15:17 < dongs> plus the edge of prop gives you much more torque to spin it
2015-12-08T05:15:37 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: and hands shaking too
2015-12-08T05:16:36 < BrainDamage> show on this airplane model where they touched you
2015-12-08T05:19:15 < mtbg> ok, time to sleep, thanks for the suggestions
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2015-12-08T05:23:03 < upgrdman> what c header are uint32_t etc. defined in?
2015-12-08T05:23:08 < dongs> stdint
2015-12-08T05:23:09 < dongs> .h
2015-12-08T05:23:11 < upgrdman> thx
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2015-12-08T05:26:05 < dongs> ulink or jlink depending on time of hte day
2015-12-08T05:26:11 < dongs> today its jlink
2015-12-08T05:26:15 < dongs> cuz i had to mass-flash some stuff.
2015-12-08T05:26:36 < dongs> hah no, too opensores for me
2015-12-08T05:26:42 < dongs> and has a virus bootloader
2015-12-08T05:27:05 < dongs> ulink2
2015-12-08T05:27:07 < dongs> and me
2015-12-08T05:27:10 < dongs> if I can ever find it
2015-12-08T05:27:10 < dongs> again
2015-12-08T05:30:06 < johntramp> it seems as if the NVIC defaults to a priority of 0, is that not the highest level?
2015-12-08T05:30:42 < johntramp> I thought it would have everything default to a low priority
2015-12-08T05:31:36 < dongs> haha
2015-12-08T05:31:43 < dongs> whatever garbage is in my phone i think
2015-12-08T05:35:28 < GargantuaSauce> the manual references certain interrupts having negative default priorities so i dunno what the deal is
2015-12-08T05:36:08 < GargantuaSauce> oh that's just the system ones
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2015-12-08T05:36:46 < GargantuaSauce> the others are assigned sequential default priorities so I dunno where the 0's you're talking about come from
2015-12-08T05:37:39 < johntramp> is that not the interrupt number, not priority?
2015-12-08T05:37:53 < johntramp>  ** is that the ...
2015-12-08T05:38:19 < johntramp> I was calling NVIC_GetPriority() to see the priorities
2015-12-08T05:43:12 < GargantuaSauce> i am actually pretty confused right now. reading sources that say only 4 bits are used but the vector table in the ref man lists priorities up to 88
2015-12-08T05:43:32 < dongs> zyp knows all about priorities
2015-12-08T05:48:06 < GargantuaSauce> chibios does have a wrapper around that stuff so maybe you can just make an api call and stop caring
2015-12-08T05:49:11 < johntramp> yeah, well I would like to know what is going on :)
2015-12-08T05:49:26 < GargantuaSauce> oh you're one of THOSE
2015-12-08T05:49:26 < johntramp> maybe it is just bad docs
2015-12-08T05:50:39 < GargantuaSauce> well this is one of those things that straddles the arm core and the vendor implementation and thus is poorly covered by either
2015-12-08T06:00:32 < dongs> writing docs is hard
2015-12-08T06:00:37 < dongs> also ST docs arent bad compared to some other trash
2015-12-08T06:18:17 < dongs> what would be fucking nice is if ST start making some non-retarded BGA packages for STM32
2015-12-08T06:18:39 < dongs> yeah but fuck off wiht 0.4mm pitch stuff
2015-12-08T06:20:45 < dongs> whats with eurofag comma
2015-12-08T06:22:01 < dongs> i cant believe JC3 isnt getting pirated
2015-12-08T06:22:02 < dongs> but then again
2015-12-08T06:22:07 < dongs> since it has all that retarded protection
2015-12-08T06:22:11 < dongs> that means no cheats/trainers either
2015-12-08T06:22:18 < dongs> so teh game is worthless for me anywayz
2015-12-08T06:35:25 < dongs> http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/videonews/ann?a=20151208-00000016-ann-soci haha this is brilliant
2015-12-08T06:46:09 < emeb_mac> mmmm... ice cream.
2015-12-08T06:46:27 < emeb_mac> bastard
2015-12-08T06:46:51 < dongs> was something on tv about nobel shit
2015-12-08T06:46:55 < emeb_mac> that's ok - I have ice cream of my own. with toasted pecans and carmel sauce.
2015-12-08T06:46:56 < dongs> some jap holding a poster
2015-12-08T06:47:01 < dongs> future elimination goals
2015-12-08T06:47:07 < dongs> big picture in it
2015-12-08T06:47:09 < dongs> all black kids
2015-12-08T06:48:26 < PeterM> dongs what happened there? some guy drove into the back of another dudes car, the person who drove into the back of the cars passenger got out, took the car and everything in it, which happend to have like $35k?
2015-12-08T06:48:35 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-08T06:48:40 < PeterM> fukken rekt
2015-12-08T06:49:08 < dongs> free car *and* free cash
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2015-12-08T06:49:53 < PeterM> some people make poor life choices, the person carrying $35k has made some, so has r2com
2015-12-08T06:50:19 < dongs> thats normal for japscat
2015-12-08T06:50:25 < dongs> cuz everything is paid with cash
2015-12-08T06:50:47 < PeterM> yes.
2015-12-08T06:51:06 < PeterM> no
2015-12-08T06:51:31 < dongs> he might have been driving to pay/pickup a new car
2015-12-08T06:51:44 < dongs> w/cash
2015-12-08T06:52:10 < PeterM> surely in that case you'd like... *thinks japanese* fax them a cheque or some shit
2015-12-08T06:53:03 < dongs> checks dont exist in japan
2015-12-08T06:53:10 < dongs> and if y ou bank transfer you ahve a record
2015-12-08T06:53:29 < dongs> that you paid xxx for yyy
2015-12-08T06:53:36 < dongs> ...
2015-12-08T06:53:39 < PeterM> R2COM, what situations in a modern society require you to carry THAT MUCH cash
2015-12-08T06:54:11 < dongs> the real question is
2015-12-08T06:54:17 < dongs> can F071 run off intrc at 48mhz?
2015-12-08T06:54:25 < dongs> i see my F0-disco doesnt have external crystal
2015-12-08T06:54:31 < dongs> oh, but its clocked off that stdink shit isnt it
2015-12-08T06:54:35 < PeterM> yer
2015-12-08T06:55:04 < PeterM> clocked from stlink xtal
2015-12-08T06:55:16 < dongs> R2COM: well if you dont wanna pay tax on it, then maye
2015-12-08T06:55:16 < dongs> i mean.. i paid for some of my cars with cash
2015-12-08T06:55:16 < PeterM> dongs is saying you dont need to use a cheque you can jsut bank transfer and use the record as proof of payment
2015-12-08T06:55:16 < dongs> or international transfer
2015-12-08T06:55:16 < dongs> and stuff.
2015-12-08T06:56:54 < PeterM> also, iirc yes intrc can go to 48mhz
2015-12-08T06:58:04 < PeterM> HSI INT 8mhz -> /2 -> pll x12 ->48mhz
2015-12-08T06:58:36 < dongs> PeterM: but i thought you coudlnt do x12
2015-12-08T06:58:42 < dongs> but im gonna look soon
2015-12-08T06:59:36 < dongs>     /* PLL configuration = HSE * 6 = 48 MHz */
2015-12-08T06:59:41 < dongs> in system_*
2015-12-08T06:59:42 < dongs> lets see
2015-12-08T07:00:01 < dongs> ah pllmul goes to 16
2015-12-08T07:00:01 < dongs> so maybe oaky.
2015-12-08T07:00:23 < dongs> ohh ST has a excel for F0 too
2015-12-08T07:00:26 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/PF257924
2015-12-08T07:00:37 < dongs> to do system.c autogeneration
2015-12-08T07:03:17 < dongs>     RCC->CFGR |= (uint32_t)(RCC_CFGR_PLLSRC_HSI_Div2 | RCC_CFGR_PLLXTPRE_PREDIV1 | RCC_CFGR_PLLMULL12);
2015-12-08T07:03:20 < dongs> nice
2015-12-08T07:03:22 < dongs> PeterM: you win
2015-12-08T07:04:18 < dongs> f0 system init is super clean
2015-12-08T07:08:25 < dongs> has anyone done any tests on how stable the intrc is
2015-12-08T07:09:32 < PeterM> nope, but am curious
2015-12-08T07:09:42 < PeterM> so if you find out do tell
2015-12-08T07:09:47 < dongs> http://elm-chan.org/docs/avr/jitter.html
2015-12-08T07:09:50 < dongs> it cant be worse than this i guess
2015-12-08T07:09:56 < dongs> check out that jitter
2015-12-08T07:12:07 < dongs> http://elm-chan.org/works/pass/report.html elm-chan is slacking
2015-12-08T07:12:44 < dongs> http://elm-chan.org/works/mflc/report_e.html thats the only 2 things he did in 2015
2015-12-08T07:12:48 < dongs> both boring as fuck
2015-12-08T07:15:25 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCXCLR3xq8U Description: Did you know that squeezing a PIC makes its internal oscillator drift....?
2015-12-08T07:16:21 < dongs> i tihnk ive seen that shitty video
2015-12-08T07:16:35 < PeterM> probs
2015-12-08T07:17:28 < dongs> http://imgur.com/gallery/HeHQW
2015-12-08T07:18:08 < PeterM> deek butt
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2015-12-08T07:31:27 < dongs> #define RCC_SYSCLKSource_HSI48           RCC_CFGR_SW_HSI48 /*!< Only applicable for STM32F072 devices */
2015-12-08T07:31:35 < dongs> that must be the crystal-less USB HSI
2015-12-08T07:33:15 < dongs> o wait i just noticed that carjacking article says this hapeend at 2am
2015-12-08T07:33:27 < GargantuaSauce> ya he was totally out to buy a car
2015-12-08T07:33:30 < dongs> ror
2015-12-08T07:34:22 < PeterM> maybe not a car, but definately get a ride
2015-12-08T07:34:39 < GargantuaSauce> that's an expensive fuck
2015-12-08T07:35:47 < PeterM> you're going for a good nice out you need booze, drugs, ladies and you need to pay for your friends too
2015-12-08T07:40:25 < PaulFertser> GargantuaSauce: to understand priorities you'll need to read both ARM Cortex-M3 doc and ARM ARMv7-M doc. And yes, ST implements just 4 upper bits, and you can split them between preemption priority and group priority.
2015-12-08T07:43:19 < GargantuaSauce> ahhh i didnt think to consult the ISA doc, thanks
2015-12-08T07:44:41 < PaulFertser> GargantuaSauce: iirc those 80 priorities level are for the case where you have both preempt and group priority equal for two different sources, and both are pending.
2015-12-08T07:45:02 < PaulFertser> Fixed negative priority will preempt anything.
2015-12-08T07:48:25 < GargantuaSauce> >This document is only available in a PDF version to registered ARM customers.
2015-12-08T07:48:30 < GargantuaSauce> thank goodness for random EE profs mirroring it
2015-12-08T07:48:39 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: bugmenot.com is full of arm.com loginz
2015-12-08T07:48:41 < dongs> that work fine
2015-12-08T07:51:51 < dongs> http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pc-based/202369-hand-made-sata-cable-cat.html
2015-12-08T07:51:54 < dongs> ll o ll
2015-12-08T07:52:05 < dongs> Because the performance of the SATA cable to the sound improvement was significant
2015-12-08T07:52:08 < dongs> Can be said the the SATA cable is the most critical components to PC audio
2015-12-08T07:52:11 < dongs> So even if you must spend a lot of time to make a SATA cable
2015-12-08T07:52:14 < dongs> But you will get amazing rewards
2015-12-08T07:58:33 < PeterM> lulwut
2015-12-08T08:01:48 < dongs> pro audio
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2015-12-08T08:28:51  * bloated waits for dongs to find the guy who was selling hand twisted twister wire pair.
2015-12-08T08:29:54 < PeterM> thats what hand drills are for m8
2015-12-08T08:32:27 < bloated> PeterM: that doesn't work, the vibrations from the drill will set up a vibration in the copper atoms which will cause jitter in your music. You want wire that is lovingly hand twisted by postpartum thai virgins.
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2015-12-08T08:50:27 < upgrdman> lol wow  https://youtu.be/8YfFMVc5u8M?t=28
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2015-12-08T08:51:24 < dongs> i wanna see the part where he shits it back out
2015-12-08T08:53:08 < upgrdman> inorite
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2015-12-08T09:35:05 < emeryth> is this the new zano? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gofleye/fleye-your-personal-flying-robot
2015-12-08T09:36:23 < celeron55> at least that's many times as expensive
2015-12-08T09:36:39 < jpa-> and hardware seems more plausible
2015-12-08T09:36:44 < jpa-> but flyzano, gofleye
2015-12-08T09:41:46 < celeron55> i wonder why these ducted fan UAVs are so unpopular
2015-12-08T09:42:11 < celeron55> it seems to be kind of efficient
2015-12-08T09:42:38 < PeterM> because ducting means the airflow is directed means its great fgor lift
2015-12-08T09:42:48 < PeterM> but you get reduced yaw
2015-12-08T09:42:52 < PeterM> and pitch
2015-12-08T09:43:14 < celeron55> you mean it's slow?
2015-12-08T09:43:30 < PeterM> its good for movement only in the up-down direction
2015-12-08T09:43:58 < celeron55> so that would mean you can't really fly with it outside as it will just end up anywhere the wind takes it
2015-12-08T09:44:29 < jpa-> it works for any direction as long as you can tilt it enough
2015-12-08T09:44:55 < jpa-> dunno what kind of mechanism they use there - altering center of gravity is one way
2015-12-08T09:44:57 < PeterM> jpa no, because the cowlings will pull it straight
2015-12-08T09:45:14 < celeron55> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/958/296/22d00234d7c9a4d412e15eaa8b23efcc_original.gif?v=1448190394&w=680&fit=max&q=92&s=af8784d01740ddc100ee481c385ae14a
2015-12-08T09:45:21 < jpa-> PeterM: straight with respect to what?
2015-12-08T09:45:25 < celeron55> you can see the design in that GIF
2015-12-08T09:46:09 < celeron55> it seems the airflow goes partially through ducts that have servos going into them
2015-12-08T09:46:13 < jpa-> ah, so it has four vectored thrust thingies at the bottom, driven by servos
2015-12-08T09:46:20 < GargantuaSauce> that's coooool
2015-12-08T09:46:27 < GargantuaSauce> probably pretty inefficient though
2015-12-08T09:46:43 < celeron55> well, as said, it probably has very good lift
2015-12-08T09:47:01 < jpa-> yeah, and looks like a lot of plastic to lift.. so yeah, hard to guess how well it will fly
2015-12-08T09:47:22 < jpa-> theoretically seems ok design, but actual flight mechanics will be quite different than quadcopters
2015-12-08T09:48:07 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cew5JF8q6eY - this guy talks aobut it, very long blabbly as fuck video but sorta explains the problem
2015-12-08T09:48:30 < celeron55> i wonder if the camera is at the top in order to make it more maneuverable by making tilting take less effort
2015-12-08T09:48:53 < celeron55> quadcopters usually have the camera below them for stability
2015-12-08T09:49:04 < celeron55> or at the center
2015-12-08T09:49:22 < jpa-> could be also that they don't want stuff mounted in front of the airflow
2015-12-08T09:49:49 < jpa-> and with the limited amount of control over the airflow, it has to be pretty well balanced to work at all
2015-12-08T09:50:08 < jpa-> whereas in quadcopters you can basically hang all the weight to one side and it works ok
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2015-12-08T10:20:41 < dongs> emeryth: no the new zano is ongaofly or something
2015-12-08T10:20:52 < dongs> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/zano-style-onagofly-has-big-talk-but
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2015-12-08T11:16:44 < ReadError> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/naze32-and-paparazzi-uav
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2015-12-08T11:21:31 < englishman> Haha
2015-12-08T11:22:59 < ReadError> dont see any good rage comments in PR
2015-12-08T11:23:00 < ReadError> upset
2015-12-08T11:23:03 < dongs> wat
2015-12-08T11:23:44 < dongs> at least they didnt post pics of cloned hardware
2015-12-08T11:24:04 < ReadError> they are talking about flip32s
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2015-12-08T11:25:04 < dongs> lol crappilot in there pushing his shit
2015-12-08T11:25:24 < dongs> ah he hasnt d one anything in months
2015-12-08T11:25:46 < ReadError> paparazzi seems super german
2015-12-08T11:25:52 < dongs> its worse
2015-12-08T11:26:53 < ReadError> what did KISS ESC FELIX do on bill's ESC32v3?
2015-12-08T11:27:02 < dongs> nothing
2015-12-08T11:27:05 < dongs> what do you think, lol
2015-12-08T11:27:16 < ReadError> hm nah he said he collab'd on it
2015-12-08T11:27:17 < dongs> what did any germans do on anything autoquad-related
2015-12-08T11:27:20 < dongs> no he didnt
2015-12-08T11:27:29 < dongs> bill had protos of v3 like a year ago
2015-12-08T11:27:32 < dongs> and he doesnt work with others
2015-12-08T11:27:38 < dongs> felix did absolutely fuckall.
2015-12-08T11:28:56 < ReadError> On the esc32v3 i just helped. Bill nesbit did the HW design and the whole fw for it. And our fw weiting style is very different
2015-12-08T11:28:57 < ReadError> So except of the 32 bit they are very different.
2015-12-08T11:29:26 < dongs> bill did hw, and firmware, whats left for that kike to do???
2015-12-08T11:29:46 < ReadError> I duno thats why I axed
2015-12-08T11:29:55 < dongs> well, then my answer is reinforced by that quote.
2015-12-08T11:30:31 < ReadError> tracernz mentioned it so he knew somehow
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2015-12-08T11:36:33 < englishman> Isn't there totally original non clones kiss esc32?
2015-12-08T11:36:48 < dongs> nothing original comes out of that shop
2015-12-08T11:36:51 < dongs> so no
2015-12-08T11:37:17 < dongs> the stuff is all closedsores so you can't check how much opensores was stolen
2015-12-08T11:41:43 < dongs> looks like parapaprazi has a new RACER too http://1bitsquared.com/collections/autopilots/products/elle0-autopilot
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2015-12-08T11:43:28 < dongs> their prices are retarded
2015-12-08T11:43:33 < ReadError> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0245/8645/products/Elle0-top-labeled_1024x1024.png?v=1448758002
2015-12-08T11:43:38 < ReadError> germany confirmed
2015-12-08T11:43:55 < dongs> 'SV'?
2015-12-08T11:44:18 < dongs> Bott
2015-12-08T11:44:34 < englishman> All red/black/gold lol
2015-12-08T11:44:46 < dongs> ah ,lo
2015-12-08T11:49:24 < GargantuaSauce> ah yes the positive S volt supply
2015-12-08T11:51:19 < englishman> You always up this early, canadian?
2015-12-08T11:51:42 < GargantuaSauce> ....late
2015-12-08T11:51:47 < englishman> :-)
2015-12-08T11:53:27 < ReadError> GargantuaSauce have you found any new arm tutorials?
2015-12-08T11:53:32 < ReadError> using hands is cheating
2015-12-08T11:54:47 < GargantuaSauce> nope
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2015-12-08T12:42:29 < mitrax> when using one of the ADC in multichannel / single conversion mode how do you get the conversion result for each channel once it has completed? do you have to use DMA so it writes each value to a buffer or can you query those through registers somehow?
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2015-12-08T12:52:17 < jpa-> mitrax: you can use "injected conversion" to get the channels into separate registers
2015-12-08T12:52:21 < jpa-> otherwise you need to use dma
2015-12-08T12:54:45 < akaWolf> jpa-: remind me address of your site pls
2015-12-08T12:55:34 < mitrax> jpa-: thanks, bleh seems like stm32cubeshit doesn't support that...
2015-12-08T12:56:01 < jpa-> akaWolf: http://essentialscrap.com/
2015-12-08T12:56:09 < jpa-> mitrax: funny
2015-12-08T12:56:13 < akaWolf> jpa-: ty
2015-12-08T12:58:38 < mitrax> jpa-: do you remember what registers are involved in injected conversion mode?
2015-12-08T12:58:58 < jpa-> mitrax: which STM32 are you using?
2015-12-08T12:59:24 < mitrax> STM32F0
2015-12-08T13:00:03 < jpa-> ah, maybe it doesn't have injected conversion
2015-12-08T13:01:52 < mitrax> ah that could explain it :) 'injected' in the reference manual for F0 returns nothing related to ADC so i guess that's it
2015-12-08T13:02:44 < jpa-> yeah
2015-12-08T13:02:52 < jpa-> it's present on e.g. F4, but F0 has simpler peripherals
2015-12-08T13:06:32 < mitrax> "When DMA mode is enabled (DMAEN bit set to 1 in the ADC_CFGR1 register), a DMA
2015-12-08T13:06:32 < mitrax> request is generated after the conversion of each channel. This allows the transfer of the
2015-12-08T13:06:32 < mitrax> converted data from the ADC_DR register to the destination location selected by the
2015-12-08T13:06:32 < mitrax> software"
2015-12-08T13:06:41 < mitrax> oops sorry, was supposed to paste that on a single line
2015-12-08T13:06:57 < mitrax> but i will get a single DMA completion interrupt right?
2015-12-08T13:07:21 < mitrax> i.e once for the whole "sequence"
2015-12-08T13:07:54 < jpa-> yeah, once for the DMA transfer, you set the length of the transfer yourself
2015-12-08T13:08:20 < jpa-> you can even convert each channel multiple times and get them all in a single DMA buffer
2015-12-08T13:08:49 < Getty> This is so brilliant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plTRdGF-ycs (Why we should go to Mars)
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2015-12-08T13:15:30 < mitrax> "this is the most important thing we could do".... well, what about stopping to fuck up every corner of the planet we live on first?
2015-12-08T13:16:16 < jpa-> one can interpret that sentence in two ways, both of which are desirable
2015-12-08T13:16:53 < jpa-> "stop and fuck every corner of the planet first" is my favourite interpretation
2015-12-08T13:17:19 < jpa-> though living on a round planet there aren't that many corners to fuck
2015-12-08T13:17:26 < Getty> mitrax: its irrelevant in the bigger picture
2015-12-08T13:17:36 < mitrax> jpa-: ahahah
2015-12-08T13:17:49 < Getty> even if we TOTALLY fuck up our planet, the rest will still work on the mars mission (more than ever)
2015-12-08T13:17:59 < Getty> and if we DONT totally fuck up, then.... we still work on it
2015-12-08T13:18:36 < Getty> and relation is also not existing, the mars mission people cant help solving the political issues that generate all the pollution
2015-12-08T13:19:34 < Getty> it is LITERALLY the interstellar scenario to remove all the space travel resources to solve the local problems.......
2015-12-08T13:20:40 < mitrax> Getty: it wasn't so much about pollution and the environment than destroying existing civilizations
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2015-12-08T13:23:50 < Tectu> it´s no fun if your 1ms systick only increments every 10 seconds :/
2015-12-08T13:24:53 < zyp> are you running sysclk of a pushbutton?
2015-12-08T13:24:54 < mitrax> Getty: if that happens we will probably get interplanetary wars at some point :)
2015-12-08T13:26:06 < Getty> mitrax: for sure ;) but generally, its exactly like he said: the mars mission is the only relevant thing humanity is doing right now that will be remembered 500 years later
2015-12-08T13:27:16 < qyx> we can safely kill ourselves as we are irrelevant
2015-12-08T13:27:24 < mitrax> qyx: exactly my point
2015-12-08T13:27:29 < Getty> correct!
2015-12-08T13:27:36 < Getty> we can just lay back and relax
2015-12-08T13:27:38 < Getty> life goes on
2015-12-08T13:27:39 < Getty> so or so
2015-12-08T13:28:01 < qyx> I am sorry i got the point, I was trying to be trolling
2015-12-08T13:28:01 < Tectu> zyp, hah
2015-12-08T13:28:23 < Getty> lol worst troll ever
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2015-12-08T13:33:39 < PeterM> tec- what
2015-12-08T13:43:28 < mitrax> jpa-: when doing DMA transfers with ADC each individual converted values will be the size of the DR register i.e 32bits?
2015-12-08T13:45:49 < zyp> that depends how you configure the transfer
2015-12-08T13:46:09 < zyp> IIRC I did 16 bits, since DMA result is smaller
2015-12-08T13:46:20 < mitrax> oh right peripheral data aligment and mem data alignment didn't see that was configurable
2015-12-08T13:46:41 < mitrax> zyp: thanks
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2015-12-08T14:02:42 < Taxman> Tectu: Does the alpha blender already blend a little?
2015-12-08T14:06:49 < jpa-> Tectu: i confirm the receipt of your 'package'
2015-12-08T14:07:56 < Tectu> Taxman, sure
2015-12-08T14:08:01 < Tectu> jpa-, awesome
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2015-12-08T14:10:54 < Tectu> Taxman, will take some more time until it makes it into the public repository, tho.
2015-12-08T14:11:08 < jpa-> Tectu: nice balls
2015-12-08T14:13:22 < __rob> how they can ship 2 knock off logic analysers from china with usb cables for $8 is amazing
2015-12-08T14:13:32 < __rob> took a month to come tho
2015-12-08T14:14:16 < Taxman> they just started to solder when you ordered
2015-12-08T14:14:48 < __rob> but $4 each with shipping half way round the world and they still made a profit
2015-12-08T14:15:20 < jpa-> __rob: well, they can chip $0.90 salad tongs also
2015-12-08T14:15:30 < __rob> cooked my last one by shorting 8v to the spi line
2015-12-08T14:15:37 < jpa-> which seems like a pretty large packet and would cost 5-10EUR locally
2015-12-08T14:15:37 < __rob> glad I didn't buy an original saleee
2015-12-08T14:16:02 < __rob> stings less when its the same cost as spilling a coffee :)
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2015-12-08T14:17:23 < __rob> cant seem to get this spi running anywhere better than about 4mhz with iterrupts on stm32f4 @ 100mhz
2015-12-08T14:17:52 < artag> aiui the chinese government pays the shipping as long as they do their tax returns
2015-12-08T14:17:53 < __rob> seems like I should be able to get that faster even without DMA
2015-12-08T14:18:19 < zyp> __rob, maybe the original would have protection diodes against that ;)
2015-12-08T14:18:27 < jpa-> with 6 cycles interrupt entry and exit, that should put you at about 8M interrupts per second, so 64MHz if that's all you do
2015-12-08T14:19:21 < __rob> well there is freertos on there, but i've put the NVIC priority above all freertos stuff
2015-12-08T14:20:43 < __rob> so really it shouldn't make any difference
2015-12-08T14:20:57 < zyp> but surely the ISR does something
2015-12-08T14:21:18 < __rob> yea, for testing what I can achieve, on TXE I fill the next packet
2015-12-08T14:21:24 < __rob> next byte rather
2015-12-08T14:21:30 < jpa-> how long does that take?
2015-12-08T14:21:58 < zyp> jpa-, but remember there's only an interrupt for every 8 bits
2015-12-08T14:22:28 < jpa-> yeah, that's where the 8Minterrupt -> 64MHz comes from
2015-12-08T14:22:35 < zyp> ah, right
2015-12-08T14:22:38 < jpa-> but good reminding me, *usually* i forget it
2015-12-08T14:22:45 < __rob> not timed it, but pretty much check the interrupt source, if TXE, set next byte, if RXNE then assert the byte in DR is what I expect
2015-12-08T14:22:51 < zyp> I forgot it, and just had to remind myself
2015-12-08T14:22:58 < zyp> so I missed that you didn't ;)
2015-12-08T14:22:59 < __rob> it runs for a bit at 10mhz
2015-12-08T14:23:09 < __rob> then gets 0x0 in DR at the master end
2015-12-08T14:23:23 < __rob> suggesting that the TXE 'missed' the window for the next byte
2015-12-08T14:23:30 < __rob> and 0x0 was sent instead of 0xFF
2015-12-08T14:24:17 < jpa-> trace it ;)
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2015-12-08T14:25:24 < __rob> can I do that with an stlink v2 ?
2015-12-08T14:25:40 < __rob> or you mean with some gpios on the scope ?
2015-12-08T14:26:33 < jpa-> http://essentialscrap.com/tips/arm_trace/   i mean this
2015-12-08T14:26:42 < jpa-> you can do it with your chinese saleae clone
2015-12-08T14:28:38 < __rob> yea, I see hes got the exact one in the picutre :)
2015-12-08T14:28:47 < jpa-> yes, i do
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2015-12-08T14:33:19 < __rob> ohh, its you :)
2015-12-08T14:33:41 < __rob> great - thanks
2015-12-08T14:34:56 < dongs> time to bed early
2015-12-08T14:35:56 < jpa-> dongs: have fun bed times
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2015-12-08T14:53:58 < __rob> jpa- do you know if that sigrok supports scopes that are networked ?
2015-12-08T14:54:06 < __rob> dont have mine plugged into the pc
2015-12-08T14:54:19 < __rob> lists my scope as supported tho
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2015-12-08T14:55:30 < __rob> think it uses visa to talk to the scope
2015-12-08T14:56:35 < __rob> really cool project,  didn't know about it before
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2015-12-08T15:11:37 < PaulFertser> __rob: you can trace with stlinkv2 as well, just limited to 2MHz max.
2015-12-08T15:15:39 < PaulFertser> And with jlink, 7.5MHz max.
2015-12-08T15:23:22 < __rob> cool
2015-12-08T15:23:31 < __rob> jsut looking into what jpa pasted, pretty awesome
2015-12-08T15:25:03 < englishman> No swo on f0 :'( :'(
2015-12-08T15:26:29 < __rob> think my problem is trying to be too clever with my spi protocol, too many states and using iterrupt driven to make decisions between packets means I have to have a gap beween each packet to have time for other end to process
2015-12-08T15:26:48 < __rob> means i have to run it slower tho. I might aswell just use DMA and send the max message size each time at a much higher speed
2015-12-08T15:26:52 < __rob> works out less time
2015-12-08T15:27:09 < __rob> far less
2015-12-08T15:27:37 < __rob> and much easier, doh
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2015-12-08T17:40:29 < Laurenceb> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8446097&cid=51077459
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2015-12-08T17:52:55 < upgrdman> one of your troll accounts?
2015-12-08T17:54:10 < Laurenceb> yup
2015-12-08T17:54:52 < Laurenceb> talking of troll accounts
2015-12-08T17:54:54 < Laurenceb> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
2015-12-08T17:54:56 < Laurenceb> lol 30%
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2015-12-08T18:49:45 < Steffanx> Such useless. Polls are always wrong, only exit-polls are semi-good
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2015-12-08T18:57:30 < __rob> last uk election the polls were vastly different to the result
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2015-12-08T19:05:38 < upgrdman> super pro  https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/osi.jpg?w=800
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2015-12-08T19:13:46 < jpa-> upgrdman: works probably better than this crap we used at uni   http://www.cavlon99.com/2005/q2/5_4/ds1.jpg
2015-12-08T19:14:08 < upgrdman> lol
2015-12-08T19:14:31 < upgrdman> what kinda specs would an old ass log anal like that have? 10MSPS, 12V logic?
2015-12-08T19:14:59 < jpa-> 5V logic, i think it did do atleast 50 MHz though
2015-12-08T19:15:10 < jpa-> sample depth was some ridiculous 4k though
2015-12-08T19:15:12 < upgrdman> oh ok
2015-12-08T19:15:16 < upgrdman> 4k, lol
2015-12-08T19:17:54 < artag> it's a 1651 isn't it ? should be good for 100MHz timing, maybe only 50MHZ state
2015-12-08T19:18:25 < artag> I've got a similarly aged 16500 with a 1GHz capture. Tiny depth though
2015-12-08T19:19:30 < jpa-> heh, looks like the standard sample depth was only 1k
2015-12-08T19:19:39 < artag> also, note that those probes will fit a dso6000 / dso7000 when you hack it into an mso
2015-12-08T19:21:15 < artag> tbh I haven't used the 16500 since I got a saleae. it's not often you need high speed capture with all the busses hidden inside the micro
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2015-12-08T20:25:09  * Laurenceb has a publication   http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0967-3334/37/1/83
2015-12-08T20:26:09 < mitrax> congrats :)
2015-12-08T20:26:16 < Laurenceb> thanks
2015-12-08T20:27:18 < ReadError> found an error, it says "University of Nottingham" instead of hogwarts
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2015-12-08T20:42:40 < Steffanx> hmm, i remember that blue box from.. 2 years ago Laurenceb?
2015-12-08T20:43:23 < Laurenceb> yeah
2015-12-08T20:43:52 < Laurenceb> peer review takes at least that long :-/
2015-12-08T20:43:57 < Steffanx> -_-
2015-12-08T20:51:14 < Getty> equilibrium is really cool the movie, always avoided it as i thought its just the 23847324 distopia vision.... but its actually one of the more solid ones
2015-12-08T20:53:52 < ReadError> that kid needed to die
2015-12-08T20:54:07 < Getty> which kid?
2015-12-08T20:54:25 < ReadError> in equilibrium
2015-12-08T20:54:30 < ReadError> the one that snitched on his dad
2015-12-08T20:55:10 < Getty> aehm... do you mean of the main chracter the kid?
2015-12-08T20:55:14 < Getty> no wait
2015-12-08T20:56:07 < BrainDamage> ah yes, because a sequence of positions absolutely makes you impossible to aim with a large rate of fire machinegun
2015-12-08T20:56:47 < Getty> well some blackmagic you need in every movie ;)
2015-12-08T20:57:28 < jpa-> Laurenceb: why no ##stm32 in references?
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2015-12-08T21:09:11 < Steffanx> it so old it was even #stm32 back then? :P
2015-12-08T21:09:45 < Steffanx> *it is
2015-12-08T21:23:36 < BrainDamage> so old the channel still had a meaningful topic
2015-12-08T21:24:03 < jpa-> isn't the current topic meaningful? :)
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2015-12-08T21:25:03 < BrainDamage> no, it says the topic is stm32, while that's true only a fraction of the time >_>
2015-12-08T21:26:09 < ReadError> lol @ UK scientist.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/03/aliens-send-space-seed-to-earth_n_6608582.html
2015-12-08T21:28:30 < Steffanx> Shoud i add "wannabee 4chan" to the topic again BrainDamage?
2015-12-08T21:29:00 < Steffanx> should.
2015-12-08T21:29:21 < ReadError> <dongs> jews did 9/11
2015-12-08T21:30:10 < BrainDamage> nah, mine was just a self fulfilling joke
2015-12-08T21:30:37 < Steffanx> oh, it was a joke :P
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2015-12-08T22:23:43 < kakimir> mx master - in use
2015-12-08T22:24:14 < kakimir> so sweet you dont need to fuss with bulky usb reveicer charger and psu
2015-12-08T22:25:16 < ReadError> doesnt sound mechanical
2015-12-08T22:30:07 < kakimir> freewheeling and auto brake on scroll wheel
2015-12-08T22:34:11 < kakimir> for tl;dr; scrolling
2015-12-08T22:34:19 < kakimir> also total release for wheel
2015-12-08T22:34:24 < kakimir> with buttoon
2015-12-08T22:34:32 < ReadError> once you go freewheeling you cant go back
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2015-12-08T22:34:36 < ReadError> its a disease
2015-12-08T22:35:19 < kakimir> it has autobrake
2015-12-08T22:35:31 < ReadError> what is that
2015-12-08T22:36:42 < Steffanx> my mouse has it too, but i hate the "freewheeling"
2015-12-08T22:37:04 < Steffanx> tl;dr => close tab
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2015-12-08T22:43:26 < kakimir> it disengages brake when you spin it faster
2015-12-08T22:43:44 < kakimir> and engages when it's slows down to certain speed
2015-12-08T22:47:53 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKX1ZwUWZPWEhONUE/view?usp=sharing
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2015-12-08T22:49:20 < kakimir> need to hold breath with shitty cameras
2015-12-08T22:51:45 < jadew> logitech
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2015-12-08T22:58:04 < Laurenceb> http://gfycat.com/FabulousRepulsiveBeardedcollie
2015-12-08T22:59:23 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/ffAYu.jpg
2015-12-08T22:59:25 < ReadError> moneyshot
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2015-12-08T23:02:26 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/4hySgQo.gifv
2015-12-08T23:04:08 < Laurenceb> From the look of those vinegar strokes, and the way buddy in front of him turned around - I'd say he gave a heck of a lot.
2015-12-08T23:04:11 < Laurenceb> I lolld
2015-12-08T23:08:29 < Steffanx> kakimir, also mute the background noises? :P
2015-12-08T23:10:20 < Laurenceb> what the heck
2015-12-08T23:10:27 < Laurenceb> is that scroll wheel motorised?
2015-12-08T23:12:02 < kakimir> it has actuator engaged brake to it
2015-12-08T23:12:23 < kakimir> solenoid or so disegages brake
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2015-12-08T23:14:00 < celeron55> i don't need physical freewheeling; i always install a configurable middle mouse drag plugin in my web browser and enable freewheeling in it
2015-12-08T23:14:03 < Laurenceb> whyyyy
2015-12-08T23:14:09 < Laurenceb> what celeron said
2015-12-08T23:15:02 < kakimir> he has his things
2015-12-08T23:15:10 < celeron55> i'd like it in other software too though; but still fixing it with hardware instead of software is ridiculous
2015-12-08T23:15:35 < kakimir> typical finn.. still using a ball mouse
2015-12-08T23:15:47 < celeron55> i usually use a touchpad 8-)
2015-12-08T23:16:06 < kakimir> you are mental
2015-12-08T23:16:18 < kakimir> how do you edit anything with it?
2015-12-08T23:16:22 < celeron55> except when playing videogames or designing something visual
2015-12-08T23:16:30 < kakimir> drawing pcb takes 3times or more time
2015-12-08T23:16:34 < celeron55> but that's kind of rare as i'm more of a software developer
2015-12-08T23:16:48 < kakimir> undertandable
2015-12-08T23:17:32 < kakimir> hey guys is it so that rc crystals are not actually in frequency that has been marked to label?
2015-12-08T23:17:45 < kakimir> but some lower frequency
2015-12-08T23:18:26 < kakimir> that does IF or so and there is higher frequency crystal seperate in there?
2015-12-08T23:21:12 < kakimir> I ask radio channel
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2015-12-08T23:24:42 < mtbg> hi
2015-12-08T23:25:53 < kakimir> yo bubba
2015-12-08T23:35:18 < mtbg> what is bubba?
2015-12-08T23:36:29 < Laurenceb> drop the soap to find otu
2015-12-08T23:38:08 < kakimir> mtbg: urban dictionary says it's brother
2015-12-08T23:38:26 < mtbg> ok
2015-12-08T23:46:39 < Rob235> if usart1_rx is listed for DMA2 stream 2 and DMA2 stream 5 does it matter which you use? do you choose the stream based on which io pin you are using? if so how do you know which to use
2015-12-08T23:51:36 < Rob235> huh thats weird, another site I found lists USART1 as stream 7
2015-12-08T23:52:08 < Rob235> oh thats tx
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2015-12-09T01:19:41 < Rob235> anyone know why using usart on a stm32f4 is getting the right number of bytes and the first byte is correct and bytes that are supposed to be zero are zero but the other bytes are off from what my logic analyzer using the usart analyzer says.
2015-12-09T01:19:59 < Rob235> I switched it over to dma and getting same results
2015-12-09T01:21:07 < Fleck> worked OK here for me
2015-12-09T01:22:44 < Rob235> this is frustrating
2015-12-09T01:22:50 < zyp> baudrate mismatch?
2015-12-09T01:23:06 < Rob235> I don't think so because I get the right number of bytes, would it throw that off?
2015-12-09T01:24:04 < Rob235> I have seen people using 98 khz to 100khz depending on their module but I consistantly get 0x4C for my second byte when it should be 0xAC
2015-12-09T01:24:14 < Rob235> in that range
2015-12-09T01:25:17 < Laurenceb> it could be your config... perhaps
2015-12-09T01:25:39 < Laurenceb> check with a scope or logic tantaliser?
2015-12-09T01:25:50 < Laurenceb> yay autocorrect
2015-12-09T01:25:53 < Rob235> i said I did
2015-12-09T01:26:04 < Rob235> thats how I know my values are off
2015-12-09T01:27:22 < Laurenceb> HAHAHAHA
2015-12-09T01:27:25 < Laurenceb> CANUCK
2015-12-09T01:27:27 < Laurenceb> CANUCK
2015-12-09T01:27:58 < Laurenceb> HELLO MY NAME IS FLYBACK
2015-12-09T01:28:16 < aandrew> oh man I haven't seen flyback in ages
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2015-12-09T01:37:12 < Rob235> lkjsdlkjasdg
2015-12-09T01:42:12 < Rob235> http://pastebin.com/RNaJAp3i the IRQ handler is obviously just for testing but anyone see anything wrong?
2015-12-09T01:45:33 < Rob235> I put a breakpoint on line 36
2015-12-09T01:46:37 < kakimir> okay guys tell me
2015-12-09T01:46:57 < kakimir> how are screw terminal pins numbered?
2015-12-09T01:47:08 < Rob235> the logic analyzer looks correct but could it have anything to do with the receiver outputting 5V?
2015-12-09T01:47:09 < kakimir> from rigth to left or left to right?
2015-12-09T01:47:46 < kakimir> if viewed from front perspective
2015-12-09T01:48:31 < kakimir> manufacturers don't care to give any idea for this
2015-12-09T01:58:17 < kakimir> okay it's too assburgers to decide it
2015-12-09T01:58:30 < kakimir> just swap pins if wrong
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2015-12-09T02:02:19 < Laurenceb> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38577.msg1454213#msg1454213
2015-12-09T02:02:21 < Laurenceb> lolz
2015-12-09T02:04:58 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKdcjJoXeEY
2015-12-09T02:06:08 < Rob235> does usart use big endian? I'm not sure if I'm supposed to change anything based on this finding: The signal is transmitted big endian, but each of the individual bytes are little endian.
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2015-12-09T02:11:54 < dongs> does it even matter?
2015-12-09T02:12:27 < dongs> it just means your byutes are transmitted MSBYTE first
2015-12-09T02:12:54 < Simon--> just mount the eeprom to the backside
2015-12-09T02:13:09 < GargantuaSauce> dead bug the microcontroller
2015-12-09T02:13:38 < Rob235> i just cant figure this out
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2015-12-09T02:14:33 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_port#Data_bits
2015-12-09T02:14:55 < kakimir> little endian
2015-12-09T02:15:31 < Rob235> ok so thats not my problem
2015-12-09T02:15:37 < kakimir> and individual bytes are what ever you send
2015-12-09T02:15:46 < Rob235> im reading not sending
2015-12-09T02:16:43 < kakimir> is there standard way to put bigger than one byte values out?
2015-12-09T02:17:47 < kakimir> I bet there is not
2015-12-09T02:18:47 < Simon--> there's some interesting variance between f3 and f1, for example.. f3 pays attention to register write size
2015-12-09T02:18:47 < Simon--> but he's reading :)
2015-12-09T02:18:50 < Rob235> ?
2015-12-09T02:19:29 < kakimir> but aint there some machine code commands in arm processor for sorting different byte orders Rob235 ?
2015-12-09T02:19:57 < Rob235> i dont think thats my problem.  I'm assuming the usart library does it for you anyway
2015-12-09T02:20:09 < kakimir> and some lib or so had functions for it
2015-12-09T02:20:26 < kakimir> Rob235: how it does it for you?
2015-12-09T02:20:47 < Simon--> Rob235: what's X8R_BUFFER_SIZE?
2015-12-09T02:20:51 < kakimir> without defining byte endianess
2015-12-09T02:21:02 < Rob235> I dont know, I havent looked at the library but if all serial does that then why wouldnt it do it automatically?
2015-12-09T02:21:06 < Rob235> 25
2015-12-09T02:21:10 < Rob235> is the buffer size
2015-12-09T02:21:27 < Rob235> sbus transmits 25 bytes in a frame
2015-12-09T02:21:42 < Rob235> my first byte is always correct at 0x0F
2015-12-09T02:22:02 < Rob235> the bytes that should be 0x00 are  correct (last 13 bytes)
2015-12-09T02:23:28 < kakimir> what is transmitting device?
2015-12-09T02:23:38 < kakimir> what is receiving device?
2015-12-09T02:23:50 < Rob235> frsky taranis x9d plus using the x8r receiver
2015-12-09T02:24:59 < Rob235> and yes, I'm using an sbus inverter
2015-12-09T02:25:22 < dongs> is it plugged in correctly
2015-12-09T02:25:25 < dongs> like NOT BACKWARDS
2015-12-09T02:25:33 < dongs> or else you might be inverting the inverter, if u kno wat i meanm
2015-12-09T02:25:36 < Rob235> the logic analyzer is reading correctly so yes
2015-12-09T02:25:38 < Simon--> what is supposed to be enforcing a "frame" to be transfer complete?
2015-12-09T02:25:57 < Simon--> I've only ever done streaming dma and so expecting TCs at the character level
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2015-12-09T02:26:23 < Rob235> theres a delay between transmissions.  You can just go by that or wait until a first bit is 0x0F and ends in 0x00
2015-12-09T02:26:45 < Simon--> I mean from your interrupt that's grabbing the whole buffer, expecting it to be called once it's "full"
2015-12-09T02:26:57 < Rob235> oh, I just have the dma size set to 25
2015-12-09T02:26:57 < kakimir> who the fuk linked to nasaspacefake?
2015-12-09T02:27:01 < Rob235> so it reads 25 bytes
2015-12-09T02:27:06 < Rob235> and then TC
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2015-12-09T02:32:38 < dongs> i dont think you wanna DMA sbus
2015-12-09T02:32:46 < dongs> just interrupt it, resync on start of frame, and start from there
2015-12-09T02:32:53 < dongs> theres no guarantee your transfer will start at beginning
2015-12-09T02:33:16 < dongs> unless you dma into a circular buffer and copy stuff out and resync later in yet another buffer
2015-12-09T02:34:47 < Simon--> though there's some examples on how to set up timers and such to look for gaps
2015-12-09T02:34:51 < Simon--> but yeah
2015-12-09T02:35:10 < Simon--> like http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/jp/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00256689.pdf
2015-12-09T02:35:57 < Rob235> Yea Ive thought about the problem of it not starting at the beginning, thats not a problem to fix.  just want the wrong data problem fixed
2015-12-09T02:36:22 < Simon--> does your interrupt get called again once the second byte arrives?
2015-12-09T02:36:52 < Rob235> yea the interrupt gets called all the time, i set a breakpoint to cycle through 50 full frames before breaking and letting me check values
2015-12-09T02:37:00 < Simon--> so it
2015-12-09T02:37:08 < Simon--> it's incrementing or only changing the first byte?
2015-12-09T02:37:54 < Simon--> iirc, the offset actually gets shadowed by the DMA controller and so DMA_Cmd might be "reverting" it to the beginning
2015-12-09T02:38:23 < Rob235> all the bytes get set, it is incrementing, but only the first byte and zero bytes are correct, the other bytes are different (still nonzero though) and for some reason usually the last 4 bits of each byte are correct (like I get 0x4C instead of 0xAC) well I guess that would be the first 4 bits in little endian
2015-12-09T02:38:47 < Rob235> dma_cmd resets the counter to 25
2015-12-09T02:38:48 < kakimir> so with power I want to pull out of my chip junction temperature will be over thousand celsius
2015-12-09T02:39:38 < Simon--> Rob235: maybe set the other bytes to some known value first
2015-12-09T02:39:51 < kakimir> oh this piece of crap doesn't have nothing but ambient
2015-12-09T02:40:40 < Rob235> I have it cycle through 50 frames first so the bytes are set 50 times before I check them
2015-12-09T02:43:29 < Simon--> yeah. but "only the first byte and _zero_ bytes are correct" sounds more like it's not writing to the others
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2015-12-09T03:22:18 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/DSo6Uz.jpg
2015-12-09T03:23:19 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWDBVTl9oLW13SjQ/view?usp=sharing something to kill your eyes with
2015-12-09T03:23:31 < kakimir> also I need more transceiver chip models
2015-12-09T03:24:05 < kakimir> note: pdf file
2015-12-09T03:29:25 < kakimir> you can see more clearly all the waisted life
2015-12-09T03:33:19 < dongs> sup stoners
2015-12-09T03:33:24 < kakimir> autism with multiple chip options in one board
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2015-12-09T03:37:13 < kakimir> also 4 connector types just in case
2015-12-09T03:45:18 < kakimir> hello R2COM
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2015-12-09T03:51:24 < dongs> currently technology creating
2015-12-09T03:51:37 < karlp> mono .net woo
2015-12-09T03:51:42 < karlp> it... sort of works even.
2015-12-09T03:51:59 < dongs> mono: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infectious_mononucleosis
2015-12-09T03:52:22 < karlp> this pic bullshit scope I got actually just sort of works
2015-12-09T03:52:39 < karlp> it can do uart decoding from analog at least, I guess that counts as "working" anyway
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2015-12-09T04:22:44 < dongs> blogs
2015-12-09T04:23:11 < emeb_mac> blarghs
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2015-12-09T04:25:12 < kakimir> you have like 2 blog posts?
2015-12-09T04:25:34 < dongs> more like 9
2015-12-09T04:26:27 < dongs> haha holy shit
2015-12-09T04:26:29 < dongs> i had skype running in VM
2015-12-09T04:26:33 < dongs> for like weeks
2015-12-09T04:26:36 < dongs> it ate > 1gb ram
2015-12-09T04:26:43 < dongs> just sitting there
2015-12-09T04:27:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/7juvgmW.png
2015-12-09T04:27:22 < dongs> 1st shutdown was cubemx
2015-12-09T04:27:25 < dongs> 2nd was skype
2015-12-09T04:27:33 < dongs> cuz windows kept telling me "its running out of memory"
2015-12-09T04:27:48 < dongs> hm wait that uptime is only 6 days
2015-12-09T04:27:50 < dongs> so not even weeks
2015-12-09T04:27:59 < dongs> awful
2015-12-09T04:28:17 < emeb_mac> blame it on bill gates
2015-12-09T04:28:25 < dongs> bill didnt write skype
2015-12-09T04:28:36 < emeb_mac> if you were running open sores it would all be so much better. :)
2015-12-09T04:28:48 < dongs> opensores doenst even support new skype prpotocol
2015-12-09T04:28:55 < dongs> ive been using skype w/mirandaIM shit for years
2015-12-09T04:28:59 < dongs> then when new stuff hapened and skypekit died
2015-12-09T04:29:04 < dongs> they STILL havent implemented native support for it
2015-12-09T04:29:08 < dongs> and require running skype side by side
2015-12-09T04:29:12 < dongs> fucking aids
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2015-12-09T04:39:24 < GargantuaSauce> ive had skype using a full cpu core and >1GB of memory just sitting in the login screen
2015-12-09T04:39:28 < GargantuaSauce> i am pretty sure it mines bitcoins
2015-12-09T04:41:07 < dongs> eww
2015-12-09T04:41:09 < dongs> its fucking awful on assdroid
2015-12-09T04:41:12 < dongs> buggy and slow as shit
2015-12-09T04:41:26 < dongs> uh yea all the time
2015-12-09T04:41:27 < dongs> its trash
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2015-12-09T04:54:06 < upgrdman> why the fuck does windows sometimes decide to reorder my desktop icons. so fucking annoying. even lunix wasnt that retarded.
2015-12-09T04:54:21 < dongs> when do you fucking actually SEE YOUR DESKTOP
2015-12-09T04:54:28 < dongs> just pin shit to start screen
2015-12-09T04:54:33 < dongs> thats what its for
2015-12-09T04:54:43 < dongs> like the only time i see desktop is when i reboot
2015-12-09T04:54:48 < dongs> and hten 5  mins later its covered with open windows
2015-12-09T04:55:16 < Rob235> haha I'm dumb
2015-12-09T04:55:19 < dongs> i think the only icons on tehre are the ones where apps installed didn't ask to "add to desktop" and i had no way t uncheck it
2015-12-09T04:55:22 < Rob235> I figured it out
2015-12-09T04:55:26 < dongs> what was it
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2015-12-09T04:56:28 < Rob235> let me verify first, brb
2015-12-09T04:56:40 < GargantuaSauce> upgrdman: when the desktop resolution changes
2015-12-09T04:58:33 < dongs> who the fuck lets software change desktop resolution??????????????
2015-12-09T04:59:02 < GargantuaSauce> anyone who plays games
2015-12-09T04:59:10 < dongs> who plays gamesd fullscreen?
2015-12-09T04:59:21 < dongs> thats what windowed mode is for
2015-12-09T04:59:32 < dongs> any game that doesnt have windowed mode is immediate shift-delete
2015-12-09T04:59:39 < dongs> like immediate
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2015-12-09T05:02:12 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, hmm ok. i don't game, so im not sure what would cause that. maybe some windows update shit going on with video drivers.
2015-12-09T05:03:09 < GargantuaSauce> second monitor unplugged/disabled maybe
2015-12-09T05:03:27 < dongs> do you mstsc into your desktop from a shitty resolution device?
2015-12-09T05:04:43 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce, oh fuck yes. that's it.
2015-12-09T05:05:18 < upgrdman> i unplugged the hdmi going to my tv, that must have triggered it
2015-12-09T05:05:40 < upgrdman> why the fuck cant windows just leave shit where it is UNLESS it get hidden by a lower resolution. so gay.
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2015-12-09T05:19:59 < Rob235> what range should I expect from reading sbus?
2015-12-09T05:20:18 < dongs> more like what rage
2015-12-09T05:20:20 < dongs> isnt it 2048bits
2015-12-09T05:20:32 < dongs> err not bits but whatever the fucks
2015-12-09T05:20:42 < dongs> 11bits
2015-12-09T05:21:10 < Rob235> yea but if I have my throttle all the way down vs having it all the way up, what values should it be reading for min and max
2015-12-09T05:21:51 < dongs>     // Linear fitting values read from OpenTX-ppmus and comparing with values received by X4R
2015-12-09T05:21:54 < dongs>     // http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=linear+fit+%7B173%2C+988%7D%2C+%7B1812%2C+2012%7D%2C+%7B993%2C+1500%7D
2015-12-09T05:21:58 < dongs>     // No actual Futaba hardware to test with. Sorry.
2015-12-09T05:22:01 < dongs>     return (0.625f * sbusChannelData[mcfg.rcmap[chan]]) + 880;
2015-12-09T05:22:44 < dongs> answer to your question: depends on your tx.
2015-12-09T05:23:41 < dongs> cute.
2015-12-09T05:23:54 < dongs> ad.doubleclick.net:443 is asking me to authenticate with a client certificate
2015-12-09T05:24:04 < dongs> I think I'll NOT DO THAT.
2015-12-09T05:30:53 < Rob235> I was getting correct values all along :) I was just misinterpreting them.  The logic analyzer gets slightly different readings (I guess the usart library does something) and I wasn't understanding the big/little endian combined thing.  Byte 1 = A, Byte 2 = B, channel 1 = [ A7, A6, A5, A4, A3, A2, A1, A0, B2, B1, B0 ] with 7 being the right bit and 0 left.  So the fact that the second part of each byte was correct is just because
2015-12-09T05:30:53 < Rob235>  that is the most significant part and the other part is just slightly different
2015-12-09T05:32:49 < Rob235> let me make sure, i'll look up the transmitter manual to see if I can find that range
2015-12-09T05:35:10 < GargantuaSauce> that is a pretty obnoxious protocol
2015-12-09T05:36:13 < Rob235> definitely
2015-12-09T05:37:35 < Rob235> well I'm happy I finally figured it out
2015-12-09T05:39:04 < dongs> this guy walked right into it
2015-12-09T05:39:10 < dongs> < KawaiiChibiUsagi> will novena ever run Windows 10 or any other modern OS
2015-12-09T05:39:11 < dongs> < Marex> it already runs GNU/Linux
2015-12-09T05:40:03 < upgrdman> :) http://imgur.com/3RMkEXa
2015-12-09T05:40:43 < dongs> racist
2015-12-09T05:43:49 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/OiAfqSG
2015-12-09T05:45:47 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/qytkNM3.gifv
2015-12-09T05:46:10 < dongs> garbage
2015-12-09T05:47:19 < Rob235> is the value the length of the pulse in microseconds?
2015-12-09T05:47:38 < Rob235> interesting
2015-12-09T05:47:47 < dongs> wut
2015-12-09T05:47:50 < dongs> not in sbus, no
2015-12-09T05:47:52 < dongs> its scaled
2015-12-09T05:47:54 < dongs> as per formula
2015-12-09T05:47:56 < dongs> i pasted.
2015-12-09T05:49:55 < Rob235> what is that formula from?
2015-12-09T05:50:11 < Rob235> is that for the x4r?
2015-12-09T05:50:22 < dongs> did you even read the text in comments
2015-12-09T05:50:24 < dongs> no its for anything sbus
2015-12-09T05:51:07 < Rob235> ahh
2015-12-09T05:57:33 < dongs> clearly today R2COM is on the unfunny news feed
2015-12-09T06:07:35 < dongs> assburger off into the distance
2015-12-09T06:08:24 < Rob235> ahh I understand the linear fit equation now, gonna get my own equation
2015-12-09T06:15:46 < dongs> < R2COM> close all dumb things
2015-12-09T06:32:40 < dongs> lol
2015-12-09T06:33:04 < dongs> the dumb gook who blew up the toilet last week at some dumb shrine went back to korea, and today he came back to japan and promptly got arrested
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2015-12-09T06:49:54 < dongs> holy shit, i just got bank trasfer from china to JP bank done in < 30 minutes from send to receive
2015-12-09T06:50:02 < dongs> ive never seen it take less than 2-3 days
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2015-12-09T07:04:50 < Yoduza> what for "VIPER17L" ?
2015-12-09T07:05:00 < Yoduza> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/100PCS-The-new-original-VIPER17L-DIP-switch-power-chip/126807_1275985688.html
2015-12-09T07:05:23 < GargantuaSauce> dip switch chip
2015-12-09T07:06:25 < dongs> its some chip for AC adapters
2015-12-09T07:06:28 < dongs> PFC or someshit
2015-12-09T07:06:34 < dongs> it does some crap before it goes into transofrmer
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2015-12-09T07:32:37 < dongs> you still hanging out wiht those SJWs?
2015-12-09T07:49:33 < emeb_mac> straight jewish women?
2015-12-09T07:52:12 < Rob235> any idea why logic analyzer with usart analyzer enabled shows values about 120 higher (per 11 bit channel value) than what I'm getting in my code? its not a big deal but I'm curious.  seems strange
2015-12-09T07:52:27 < dongs> what garbage are you using? saleae?
2015-12-09T07:52:30 < dongs> those faggots cant code
2015-12-09T07:52:32 < Rob235> yea
2015-12-09T07:52:35 < dongs> wouldnt be surprisedf if their shit is borken
2015-12-09T07:53:38 < upgrdman> is small ceramic antenna usually better than pcb trace antenna?
2015-12-09T07:53:44 < dongs> ask zano pros
2015-12-09T07:55:29 < dongs> my uneducated guess is ceramic is probly better
2015-12-09T07:56:52 < bloated> an antenna with a bigger aperture is generally better. aperture is generally related to size.
2015-12-09T07:57:13 < bloated> ceramic antennas are only useful when you can't spare the space for any other type of antenna.
2015-12-09T07:57:18 < bloated> otherwise they are shit.
2015-12-09T07:58:08 < bloated> PCB antenna quality depends on the board manufacturer and can be very variable.
2015-12-09T07:58:58 < dongs> pro china pcb
2015-12-09T07:59:01 < dongs> $10 for 10
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2015-12-09T08:11:58 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Yh1PyNL.png
2015-12-09T08:12:14 < dongs> literal money laundering service
2015-12-09T08:30:17 < dongs> is there a scale that can measure one thing then mark the weigiht and show qty for number of shits dumped on top?
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2015-12-09T09:29:03 < Rob235> does NDTR register decrease or is it a reload value?
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2015-12-09T09:38:59 < jpa-> Rob235: it will decrease
2015-12-09T09:39:11 < Rob235> yea figured it out, thanks
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2015-12-09T10:00:47 < tasslehoff> When my stm32f7xxxx starts from flash, can it disable all debug port access? So that nobody can connect to a running system and read out ram contents?
2015-12-09T10:04:58 < Rob235> nice, my dma interrupt handler syncs the sbus frames perfectly and is easy to resync if it gets out of sync somehow: http://pastebin.com/rHTrx1ZL
2015-12-09T10:05:34 < Rob235> would have been a lot easier to not use dma but I'm glad it works
2015-12-09T10:12:41 < zyp> tasslehoff, sure, debug port is just a normal AF for the pins they are mapped to
2015-12-09T10:12:46 < dongs> too much trash in urq
2015-12-09T10:12:52 < dongs> irq
2015-12-09T10:12:54 < dongs> zyp: on F4 yea
2015-12-09T10:12:56 < zyp> so you can just reconfigure the pins to plain GPIO or something
2015-12-09T10:12:59 < dongs> on F1 no
2015-12-09T10:13:07 < zyp> he asked about F7
2015-12-09T10:13:18 < dongs> learned hardway when I set all gpio to AIN on F4
2015-12-09T10:13:18 < dongs> hehe
2015-12-09T10:13:22 < dongs> and it dropped off debugger
2015-12-09T10:13:51 < zyp> tasslehoff, the problem is that they revert to debug mode when it's reset
2015-12-09T10:14:33 < zyp> so you'll have to pair it off with flash read protection, which will cut off flash access when a debugger is connected
2015-12-09T10:15:19 < zyp> then just make sure the debugger turns off the debug pins at startup before putting sensitive content into ram
2015-12-09T10:20:38 < dongs> zyp, how big is your DFU bootloader compiled
2015-12-09T10:20:38 < dongs> 8k?
2015-12-09T10:20:47 < dongs> the laks one
2015-12-09T10:20:59 < dongs> and: does it work on F1
2015-12-09T10:21:02 < dongs> or F3 only
2015-12-09T10:22:41 < tasslehoff> zyp: that is the plan
2015-12-09T10:23:53 < zyp> dongs, I think when I threw out the rblog stuff I got it down to just over 3k when I was looking at how small I could make it
2015-12-09T10:24:00 < dongs> wow
2015-12-09T10:24:01 < dongs> impress
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2015-12-09T10:24:28 < zyp> shouldn't require too many changes to work on F1
2015-12-09T10:24:50 < dongs> bigger question is will it compile in keil :)
2015-12-09T10:25:24 < zyp> on arcin I've got an 8k area reserved for it though, I think it's like 5-6k usuall
2015-12-09T10:25:26 < zyp> y
2015-12-09T10:25:34 < zyp> idk
2015-12-09T10:25:50 < zyp> it's C++11 and probably have a few gccisms too
2015-12-09T10:25:52 < zyp> hmm
2015-12-09T10:25:59 < rewolff> Tasslehoff: As far as I know, some "flash read protection" levels also cut off the debugger.
2015-12-09T10:26:02 < zyp> keil doesn't support inline asm
2015-12-09T10:26:12 < dongs> true, why the fuck do you have inline asm there?
2015-12-09T10:26:56 < rewolff> The debugger would otherwise "work" while reset is active, and  through the debugger, you can single step and then skip the "disable debugger pins" instruction and still get access.
2015-12-09T10:27:30 < rewolff> So there needs to be hardware support for "protect my code and data", just disabling the debug pins will not be enough.
2015-12-09T10:27:30 < dongs> void chainload(uint32_t offset) {
2015-12-09T10:27:31 < dongs> wetf
2015-12-09T10:27:33 < dongs> is that just jmp to?
2015-12-09T10:27:41 < dongs> there's a fucking cmsis thing for this i think
2015-12-09T10:28:05 < dongs> setmsp? or something and then you can make a void * funcptr for the actual offset
2015-12-09T10:33:22 < zyp> probably, but I'm not using cmsis :)
2015-12-09T10:34:04 < zyp> there's some in laks too, but that's not super important
2015-12-09T10:35:15 < zyp> you could probably just rip out and use only the usb part of laks
2015-12-09T10:35:38 < dongs> you dont #include stm32whatever.h?
2015-12-09T10:35:53 < dongs> for ther register names and shit
2015-12-09T10:36:10 < zyp> no, I redo all that from scratch in laks
2015-12-09T10:37:40 < zyp> laks is designed to be self contained
2015-12-09T10:38:01 < zyp> it's using a few headers from libc (stdint.h mainly), but apart from that it has no third party requirements
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2015-12-09T10:42:55 < dongs> how the fuck
2015-12-09T10:42:57 < dongs> do i download shit
2015-12-09T10:42:58 < dongs> off that site
2015-12-09T10:43:01 < dongs> cgit
2015-12-09T10:43:02 < dongs> or whatever
2015-12-09T10:43:13 < dongs> do i have to actually use shithub to check it out
2015-12-09T10:44:14 < zyp> no
2015-12-09T10:44:20 < zyp> there's a download link somewhere
2015-12-09T10:44:31 < dongs> didnt see it in ~20 seconds so just used git to grab it
2015-12-09T10:44:37 < zyp> on the summary side
2015-12-09T10:44:48 < zyp> oh, you need git to grab it, yes
2015-12-09T10:44:57 < zyp> there's no zip download
2015-12-09T10:45:00 < dongs> right
2015-12-09T10:45:01 < dongs> thats wat i mean
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2015-12-09T10:45:49 < zyp> if you want DFU bootloader (and not HID), then you want the rev before I rewrote it to HID mode
2015-12-09T10:46:00 < dongs> im not worried about that yet
2015-12-09T10:46:06 < dongs> im gonna try compiling a couple laks shits
2015-12-09T10:46:11 < dongs> and if it fails i wont bother further ;p
2015-12-09T10:46:59 < dongs> huh all the shit is in .h files eh
2015-12-09T10:47:23 < zyp> yeah
2015-12-09T10:47:27 < zyp> well, most of it
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2015-12-09T10:49:47 < dongs> 		has_mcu = True
2015-12-09T10:49:51 < dongs> i think you might wanna rename that
2015-12-09T10:50:31 < zyp> yes, it was a typo
2015-12-09T10:50:44 < zyp> it should say has_fpu
2015-12-09T10:51:28 < dongs> .\gpio/gpio.h(39): error:  #20: identifier "constexpr" is undefined
2015-12-09T10:51:31 < dongs> well there goes that idea.
2015-12-09T10:51:34 < zyp> haha
2015-12-09T10:51:41 < zyp> have you enabled C++11 support?
2015-12-09T10:51:52 < zyp> constexpr is a C++11 keyword
2015-12-09T10:51:57 < dongs> o yea lemme see if I need t o add
2015-12-09T10:52:00 < dongs> --cpp11
2015-12-09T10:52:01 < dongs> kk
2015-12-09T10:52:03 < dongs> lets see
2015-12-09T10:52:26 < dongs> wow
2015-12-09T10:52:29 < dongs> armcc <crashed>
2015-12-09T10:52:43 < dongs> .\interrupt/interrupt.h(134): error:  #171: invalid type conversion
2015-12-09T10:52:46 < zyp> haha
2015-12-09T10:52:47 < dongs> but got to here
2015-12-09T10:52:53 < zyp> well, you don't really need that
2015-12-09T10:53:59 < zyp> I think usb code doesn't rely on anything except rblog, which is pretty self contained, so you can just grab that and slap it on a keil template project
2015-12-09T10:54:00 < dongs> doesnt matter
2015-12-09T10:54:04 < dongs> this shit still crashes armcc
2015-12-09T10:54:08 < dongs> this is fucked up
2015-12-09T10:54:12 < zyp> so you can ditch the interrupt and startup stuff
2015-12-09T10:55:46 < zyp> or you could just build the bootloader with gcc :p
2015-12-09T10:56:05 < zyp> once the bootloader is built, it shouldn't require much changes anyway
2015-12-09T10:56:40 < dongs> ya but that would require LUNIX
2015-12-09T10:57:05 < zyp> nah, it can build just fine on windows too
2015-12-09T10:57:37 < dongs> it is awful that armcc is crashing tho
2015-12-09T10:57:38 < zyp> I think the scons shit needs a few extra lines to force it to use gcc on windows, but people have done it
2015-12-09T10:57:41 < dongs> without any useful debug info either
2015-12-09T10:57:47 < dongs> just hard crash, doesnt spew anything
2015-12-09T10:57:51 < zyp> haha
2015-12-09T10:57:59 < zyp> quality product :p
2015-12-09T10:58:23 < dongs> compiling bootloader.cpp...
2015-12-09T10:58:24 < dongs> "bootloader.cpp" - 0 Error(s), 0 Warning(s).
2015-12-09T10:58:25 < dongs> just does this
2015-12-09T10:58:30 < dongs> the line between is crash
2015-12-09T10:58:30 < dongs> :p
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2015-12-09T11:01:26 < dongs> heh there's 2 compilers included, both latest and previous crash.
2015-12-09T11:01:27 < dongs> fail
2015-12-09T11:01:41 < dongs> im gonna check if I can make it print out what hte fuck actually happens
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2015-12-09T11:09:23 < dongs> aha
2015-12-09T11:09:42 < dongs> --remarks adds more stuff
2015-12-09T11:09:46 < dongs> unreferenced params in rblog
2015-12-09T11:10:06 < dongs> but still not much to go on
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2015-12-09T11:11:11 < dongs> wow that stuff is like -Wallthefuckingwarningsever
2015-12-09T11:11:21 < dongs> that ends up with like 9000 warnings building CMSIS shit alone
2015-12-09T11:11:52 < dongs> lib\CMSIS\CM3\CoreSupport\core_cm3.h(1762): warning: #2815-D: empty dependent statement in while-statement
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2015-12-09T11:14:58 < dongs> src\system_stm32f10x.c(996): warning: #2519-D: Unable to determine constant iteration count for this loop
2015-12-09T11:16:43 < dongs> lib\STM32F10x_StdPeriph_Driver\inc\stm32f10x_adc.h(51): warning: #1301-D: padding inserted in struct 'anonymous'
2015-12-09T11:16:46 < dongs> hmm
2015-12-09T11:16:46 < dongs> thats nice warnings.
2015-12-09T11:16:57 < dongs> can gcc generate those?
2015-12-09T11:17:20 < mitrax> -Wpadded
2015-12-09T11:17:22 < dongs> looks like -Wpadded yeah
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2015-12-09T11:47:28 < dongs> fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2015-12-09T11:47:34 < dongs> there's annoying as SHIT bug in latest altidong
2015-12-09T11:47:50 < dongs> when making new pads that arent through-hole it fucking errors out until you change its layer once
2015-12-09T11:47:57 < dongs> with a "slot must be > 0mm in length"
2015-12-09T11:47:59 < dongs> fucking garbage
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2015-12-09T13:07:26 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-12-09T13:10:59 < ReadError> http://www.banggood.com/DALRC-NAZE32-REV6-MPU6050-32-bit-6-DOF10-DOF-Flight-Controller-for-Multicopter-p-1020774.html they using your board for pic or did they spend a bunch of time copying silk?
2015-12-09T13:11:26 < dongs> i dont put solder on unused pads
2015-12-09T13:12:30 < ReadError> hmm looks pretty damn close then, i couldnt tell the difference
2015-12-09T13:12:44 < dongs> thats because you live by cloning
2015-12-09T13:12:53 < ReadError> nah
2015-12-09T13:13:08 < ReadError> i guess the silk looks like spotty by the LEDs/batt
2015-12-09T13:20:45 < bloated> do you go after people who copy your boards  ? is there anything you can do about this ?
2015-12-09T13:21:47 < dongs> lol, go after china
2015-12-09T13:21:55 < dongs> it would be waste of time at best
2015-12-09T13:22:17 < dongs> usual chinks reply that I've seen when others bring it up is "its opensource"
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2015-12-09T13:58:35 < dongs> zyp - do you know what i need to add to my USB device to make it apear as "dfu capable" for ST stuff?
2015-12-09T13:58:47 < dongs> i think its some extra descriptor or osmeshit>?
2015-12-09T14:02:00 < zyp> I don't know ST stuff in particular, but the DFU spec has a "DFU runtime descriptor" that you put in the configuration of a device in normal mode
2015-12-09T14:02:11 < dongs> i think its that yea
2015-12-09T14:02:20 < zyp> this lets the host detect it, and send some control request to it to change to DFU mode
2015-12-09T14:03:14 < zyp> if the device can be forced into bootloader mode otherwise, you don't strictly need it, but then you have to put it in bootloader mode manually
2015-12-09T14:03:20 < zyp> the runtime stuff lets the software do it for you
2015-12-09T14:03:39 < dongs> you add a standard DFU interface descriptor to your device, with the protocol set to 0x01 rather than 0x02 to indicate it is a runtime DFU descriptor. You can then receive the DFU_DETACH runtime DFU request as shown in the specification on the control endpoint and use than to enter the DFU bootloader.
2015-12-09T14:03:45 < dongs> avrfreaks to the rescue
2015-12-09T14:06:06 < dongs> https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Flat.aspx?RootFolder=%2Fpublic%2FSTe2ecommunities%2Fmcu%2FLists%2Fcortex_mx_stm32%2FUSB%20%20Run-Time%20DFU%20Interface%20Descriptor&FolderCTID=0x01200200770978C69A1141439FE559EB459D7580009C4E14902C3CDE46A77F0FFD06506F5B&currentviews=1627 first my.st thread without clive post in it
2015-12-09T14:06:12 < dongs> and of course its not resolved
2015-12-09T14:08:43 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/PF257504# hmm i cant download this without my.st login
2015-12-09T14:08:46 < dongs> wtf
2015-12-09T14:08:59 < dongs> apparently those sores have example of dfu bootloader and dfu runtime
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2015-12-09T14:37:00 < rewolff1> Dongs.... I thought I'd download it for you. Apparently they have some FLASH shit, and FLASH doesn't work on my work machine..... Sigh.
2015-12-09T14:38:40 < zyp> haha
2015-12-09T14:39:38 < dongs> lol
2015-12-09T14:39:52 < dongs> fucking lunix dweebs
2015-12-09T14:39:53 < rewolff1> Update: Tried it on my home machine. Flash works there.... "it might not work due to your browser please use firefox or IE".
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2015-12-09T15:09:32 < PaulFertser> dongs: please provide your comments to the email mentioned here: https://medium.com/@meharris/an-unusual-commission-f5171a156a05
2015-12-09T15:09:45 < dongs> PaulFertser: way ahead of you
2015-12-09T15:09:49 < dongs> already have email thread with him
2015-12-09T15:10:03 < PaulFertser> Does he sound like he digs stuff?
2015-12-09T15:10:12 < PaulFertser> I mean understands electronics
2015-12-09T15:10:27 < dongs> he's just a random journo, so I doubt it
2015-12-09T15:11:08 < dongs> but its okay, there's a 25 years experience EE from south africa who backed 2 zanos AND went to wales for a job interview in april (FROM south africa) who totally believes zano is doable, so he will be his technical advisor
2015-12-09T15:11:20 < PaulFertser> I think your zanoconspiracy twitter would still be impressive, it's way ahead of the events.
2015-12-09T15:11:57 < dongs> PaulFertser: if you paid attention to this shit in april and zano was hiring would you go there for a job interview
2015-12-09T15:12:09 < dongs> with your pro EE knowledge etc.
2015-12-09T15:12:45 < PaulFertser> dongs: no, of course not.
2015-12-09T15:13:13 < PaulFertser> Well, if I was nearby I'd probably go for an interview just to see how they roll it.
2015-12-09T15:15:18 < dongs> i wonder what made this south african pro think it was legit
2015-12-09T15:15:22 < dongs> if he really had 25 years experience
2015-12-09T15:16:50 < dongs> Meanwhile Ivan had planned on building 200k to 300k ZANO/month in a production facility that they would build at the Science and technology park.
2015-12-09T15:16:53 < PaulFertser> Probably he was into analog stuff.
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2015-12-09T15:24:10 < dongs> some new godzilla movie in 2016
2015-12-09T15:24:22 < zygron_> geez
2015-12-09T15:24:22 < dongs> they make one of those fucking things every other year
2015-12-09T15:26:22 < dongs> I can offer you my technical opinion as an embedded developer with 25 years experience, on the feasibility of the ZANO project and the promised capabilities and expected costs involved in producing such a product. I spent 3 days with Ivan and the TG team in April of this year, and so can offer my insights gained from this meeting.
2015-12-09T15:27:55 < PaulFertser> Would be interesting to hear that
2015-12-09T15:28:56 < dongs> i dunno how to ask him that without trolling him to death
2015-12-09T15:29:26 < PaulFertser> :D
2015-12-09T15:29:27 < dongs> i just cant take someone who is *in the industry* and believes zano is possible, seriosuly.
2015-12-09T15:29:39 < dongs> ~with the hardware as presented~
2015-12-09T15:29:57 < dongs> its certainly doable (with shitty battery life) with proper hardware, as china have shown with all the CX-xx stuffs.
2015-12-09T15:31:00 < PaulFertser> If they weren't advertising HD selfies and videos they wouldn't get much money.
2015-12-09T15:33:09 < dongs> DEVELOPABLE IN MIPS32 ASSEMBLY!! OH WOW SIGN ME UP
2015-12-09T15:35:33 < GargantuaSauce> i was on board as soon as i heard about the homegrown trig
2015-12-09T15:36:14 < dongs> i kinda wanna get one of those fucking things for cheap
2015-12-09T15:36:41 < dongs> just to see if firmware is locked or not, and read it out
2015-12-09T15:36:50 < dongs> ive been looking for a super-optimized sin/cos for years
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2015-12-09T15:38:59 < dongs> maybe in the last weeks ivan just hit panic mode and stopped caring about protecting his amazeIP
2015-12-09T15:39:50 < dongs> whats the best way to protect an external ADC pin from random stuff?
2015-12-09T15:40:43 < dongs> hmm i see zener to GND
2015-12-09T15:43:26 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/en/articles/techzone/2012/apr/protecting-inputs-in-digital-electronics pro reference
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2015-12-09T16:21:46 < __rob> anyone actually using stmcube atall ?
2015-12-09T16:22:24 < __rob> found yet something else that looks totally wrong in it, but it surely can't be
2015-12-09T16:22:39 < celeron55> i started my project using it but you really should get rid of much of the crap it generates
2015-12-09T16:22:40 < dongs> my propal found a 10 second delay in I2C DMA stuff in the HAL
2015-12-09T16:22:49 < __rob> yea, not using it directly
2015-12-09T16:22:53 < __rob> just for code generation
2015-12-09T16:23:10 < __rob> trying out using their predone interrupt routines for the DMA
2015-12-09T16:23:30 < __rob> but it seems broken
2015-12-09T16:23:32 < celeron55> well, i mean, much of the code
2015-12-09T16:23:43 < __rob> its ok for config
2015-12-09T16:23:46 < __rob> that stuff runs once
2015-12-09T16:24:19 < __rob> but they've gone and done everything with a callback system for the interrupts
2015-12-09T16:24:30 < __rob> and seems they've done a shit job.. or I've gone wrong somehow
2015-12-09T16:24:51 < __rob> but, for SPI rx/tx they have HAL_SPI_TransmitReceive_DMA
2015-12-09T16:25:10 < __rob> the spi handle has both the handles for the rxdma and txdma
2015-12-09T16:25:21 < celeron55> the quality of the code is basically what i would expect from an indian summer worker
2015-12-09T16:25:38 < celeron55> it's clear they haven't even tested it
2015-12-09T16:25:51 < __rob> yet they clear the 'callbacks' on the txdma handle, with the comment :
2015-12-09T16:25:55 < __rob> ../* Set the SPI Tx DMA transfer complete callback as NULL because the communication closing is performed in DMA reception complete callback  */
2015-12-09T16:26:06 < __rob> then they start the DMA transfer
2015-12-09T16:26:15 < __rob> yet they only enable the Interrupts on the TX channel
2015-12-09T16:26:34 < __rob> so the handle representing that has no callbacks setup, only the rx channel
2015-12-09T16:26:55 < __rob> but the rx channel interrupt is never as none of its IT's are enabled...
2015-12-09T16:27:34 < __rob> so your callback never runs
2015-12-09T16:27:45 < __rob> for complete
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2015-12-09T16:28:07 < __rob> I don't see any way it can be anything i've done
2015-12-09T16:28:11 < __rob> how can they get away with this
2015-12-09T16:29:16 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P7DDSTXIQo god damn that guy has gotta be TTS
2015-12-09T16:31:39 < dongs> http://www.neodentech.eu/contents/en-uk/d8_NEODEN4.html
2015-12-09T16:31:40 < dongs> whoa
2015-12-09T16:31:42 < dongs> only 7.5k eur
2015-12-09T16:31:48 < dongs> who gonna try it first?
2015-12-09T16:34:08 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/YygoenmWdjw?t=8
2015-12-09T16:34:11 < ReadError> heres the software
2015-12-09T16:34:31 < dongs> yeah? what do you expect it to look like
2015-12-09T16:34:42 < dongs> really slow in taht vid
2015-12-09T16:35:00 < dongs> is it running in slow mode or something
2015-12-09T16:35:02 < dongs> thats awful
2015-12-09T16:35:07 < dongs> thats not 10kcph
2015-12-09T16:35:08 < dongs> lol
2015-12-09T16:35:50 < dongs> fuck
2015-12-09T16:35:55 < dongs> 10k for a full set with 44 feeders
2015-12-09T16:37:32 < dongs> Placement Rate:10000CPH (vision off),5000CPH (vision on)
2015-12-09T16:37:33 < dongs> ah
2015-12-09T16:40:01 < ReadError> maybe wait a few months incase they need to iron out bugs
2015-12-09T16:40:11 < ReadError> but looks solid
2015-12-09T16:41:07 < dongs> gah their previous model that sticks the component in a hole and bangs it against 4 corners
2015-12-09T16:41:10 < dongs> lolol
2015-12-09T16:41:13 < dongs> aids
2015-12-09T16:44:16 < ReadError> one thing that was questionable tho
2015-12-09T16:44:20 < ReadError> 5mm max part height
2015-12-09T16:44:38 < dongs> hm it has no side camera to actually measure height
2015-12-09T16:44:42 < dongs> that is shitty.
2015-12-09T16:44:51 < ReadError> well thinking electro caps
2015-12-09T16:44:54 < ReadError> easy over 5mm
2015-12-09T16:44:55 < dongs> my shit is automatic, you probly have eto manually key in part height in this shit
2015-12-09T16:45:04 < dongs> which would be super aids
2015-12-09T16:45:34 < dongs> cuz i dont need to care how tall those 1206 caps are
2015-12-09T16:45:39 < dongs> cuz some are square but some are more flat
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2015-12-09T16:57:23 < Sync> yeah dongs
2015-12-09T16:57:36 < Sync> at least they have non aids feeders
2015-12-09T16:57:55 < Sync> and lol white led illu
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2015-12-09T16:59:16 < ReadError> Sync apparently the red stuff dates back to the days before white leds existed
2015-12-09T16:59:27 < dongs> er?
2015-12-09T16:59:31 < dongs> whats wrong wiht white leds
2015-12-09T16:59:49 < Sync> nothing really, but people prefer red/green for contrast reasons
2015-12-09T16:59:59 < dongs> for computer vision?
2015-12-09T17:00:14 < Sync> at least in dick'n'places, yes
2015-12-09T17:00:24 < Sync> from what I've heard
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2015-12-09T17:10:51 < ReadMobl> Sync: open pnp guy said that wasn't the case
2015-12-09T17:10:51 < ReadMobl> Axed the same question
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2015-12-09T17:13:03 < Sync> well, I talked to someone who made the vision systems for a pnp
2015-12-09T17:13:11 < Sync> and he said that white light caused issues
2015-12-09T17:13:20 < dongs> openpnp, lol
2015-12-09T17:13:35 < dongs> let's just start with the fact that anythingwiht "open" in the name cannot be pro by default
2015-12-09T17:13:49 < dongs> automatically disqualified.
2015-12-09T17:15:49 < ReadMobl> Openbsd??
2015-12-09T17:16:04 < ReadMobl> Openssh
2015-12-09T17:16:36 < dongs> ...... thanks for proving my point
2015-12-09T17:17:00 < dongs> i'll add "opensolaris" to the failpot.
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2015-12-09T17:17:22 < ReadMobl> OpenOffice sux
2015-12-09T17:17:29 < dongs> yeah, THEY ALL DO
2015-12-09T17:17:32 < dongs> THANKS FOR NOTICING
2015-12-09T17:17:43 < Sync> openvpn
2015-12-09T17:17:52 < Sync> BECAUSE CISCOVPN IS MOAR BETTUR
2015-12-09T17:18:00 < dongs> i use ipsec, tahnks.
2015-12-09T17:18:08 < Sync> lel
2015-12-09T17:18:09 < Sync> ipsec
2015-12-09T17:18:11 < dongs> none of thise OPEN shit
2015-12-09T17:19:31 < Sync> well
2015-12-09T17:19:33 < Sync> ipsec is also open
2015-12-09T17:19:36 < Sync> hence aids
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2015-12-09T17:31:39 < dongs> unfunny
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2015-12-09T17:40:29 < PaulFertser> dongs: ipsec with what higher level protocol?
2015-12-09T17:40:39 < dongs> PaulFertser: ? what do you mean
2015-12-09T17:41:09 < dongs> IP?
2015-12-09T17:41:16 < PaulFertser> dongs: ipsec is a very low level stuff, you can't use certificates, passwords etc with it.
2015-12-09T17:41:54 < dongs> ipsec ike or something I dunno?
2015-12-09T17:41:58 < PaulFertser> Yes
2015-12-09T17:42:01 < PaulFertser> IKEv1 or IKEv2?
2015-12-09T17:42:12 < dongs> fucked if I know, I use hardware devices that handle this
2015-12-09T17:42:14 < dongs> and they dont run lounix
2015-12-09T17:42:46 < dongs> ipsec sa policy esp somethign 3ds-cbc md5-hmac
2015-12-09T17:43:31 < dongs> looks like it supports both
2015-12-09T17:43:45 < englishman> hasn't ipsec been fundamentally broken for like years
2015-12-09T17:43:57 < dongs> RFC4306  RFC4718  RFC5996  RFC3748  RFC3280
2015-12-09T17:43:59 < dongs> ive got notign to hide
2015-12-09T17:44:06 < dongs> i just use it for transparent tunneling
2015-12-09T17:44:21 < zyp> haha
2015-12-09T17:44:44 < englishman> I like openvpn the GUI is even less shitty than ipsec
2015-12-09T17:44:51 < englishman> Its like its not open* at all
2015-12-09T17:45:01 < dongs> why teh fuck would you even need a gui
2015-12-09T17:45:11 < englishman> Right click connect stuff
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2015-12-09T17:45:50 < englishman> Unless you like console commands. I know you do
2015-12-09T17:45:56 < upgrdman> i wish openvpn was better at hiding that it's a vpn. i have to use a stunnel wrapper for openvpn when im in the people's republic of communism.
2015-12-09T17:46:00 < dongs> what console commands dude
2015-12-09T17:46:09 < dongs> i just have a box that routes stuff
2015-12-09T17:46:12 < dongs> doesnt run lunix
2015-12-09T17:46:18 < dongs> i have a new subnet  thats going over vpn
2015-12-09T17:46:19 < dongs> thats all
2015-12-09T17:46:30 < dongs> i dont need to care/know how it works
2015-12-09T17:46:33 < dongs> or connect/disconnect stuff.
2015-12-09T17:46:44 < englishman> oh, k I was thinking about connecting to home network from laptop
2015-12-09T17:46:45 < dongs> both endpoints are mine, im not using some shitty chinese vpn provider
2015-12-09T17:47:00 < dongs> well, not both, theres more than 2
2015-12-09T17:47:02 < dongs> but thats not hte point
2015-12-09T17:47:21 < dongs> englishman: windows supports ipsec natively
2015-12-09T17:47:32 < dongs> like, click click to connect thingy.
2015-12-09T17:48:23 < englishman> I'm sure win10 does it horribly with setup in some metro app and connect in some native app thats only accessed thru some metro app
2015-12-09T17:48:27 < zyp> doesn't ipsec fail if you try running it behind nat?
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2015-12-09T17:48:52 < dongs> only lunix dweebs use nat
2015-12-09T17:48:53 < BrainDamage> it needs special support from the router for passtrough, yes
2015-12-09T17:48:53 < BrainDamage> or ipv6
2015-12-09T17:49:23 < BrainDamage> englishman: have you tried a less diffused vpn protocol such as tinc?
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2015-12-09T17:50:19 < zyp> BrainDamage, true, but ipv6 availability is still so-so
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2015-12-09T17:50:34 < dongs> more like zero-zero, amirite
2015-12-09T17:50:46 < dongs> who outside of packet kids actually uses ipv6 in 2015
2015-12-09T17:51:04 < zyp> not strictly, support over here is starting to get more common
2015-12-09T17:51:06 < karlp> se-asia and poor countries
2015-12-09T17:51:16 < dongs> se-asia doesn't even have internet
2015-12-09T17:51:18 < karlp> rich people get ipv4, ipv6 is the ghetto
2015-12-09T17:51:19 < dongs> why would they have ipv6
2015-12-09T17:51:50 < zyp> but coverage is still not good enough that ipsec over ipv6 is very usable as a «connect home from anywhere» solution
2015-12-09T17:52:02 < kakimir> do people do embedded electronics on the street in china?
2015-12-09T17:52:04 < zyp> something tcp or udp based like openvpn is a much better option
2015-12-09T17:52:25 < dongs> no, people walk around with thier dicks out on the street in china
2015-12-09T17:52:40 < kakimir> dick in hand?
2015-12-09T17:52:57 < dongs> possibly
2015-12-09T17:55:44 < dongs> oh wow
2015-12-09T17:55:50 < dongs> ECO in altidong16 is FAST
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2015-12-09T17:55:58 < dongs> from sch->pcb
2015-12-09T17:56:14 < dongs> i gotta try it on a bigger board later but it was instant for ~48 components
2015-12-09T17:56:26 < ReadMobl> 16 is out already?
2015-12-09T17:56:32 < ReadMobl> Need the medicine
2015-12-09T17:58:11 < dongs> damn
2015-12-09T17:58:12 < dongs> it is instant
2015-12-09T17:58:18 < dongs> did a 1k parts project
2015-12-09T17:58:22 < dongs> no more lose-scrolling
2015-12-09T17:58:29 < dongs> its fucking instantly filling that box
2015-12-09T18:00:17 < zyp> nice
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2015-12-09T18:03:41 < ReadMobl> Those cacks add my /2 feature?
2015-12-09T18:13:56 < __rob> anyone ever seen BSY get stuck on SPI ?
2015-12-09T18:14:04 < __rob> and know why this might be
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2015-12-09T18:14:15 < __rob> it never goes to reset (0)
2015-12-09T18:14:38 < __rob> the dma spi works for a bit, then stalls on waiting for this flag reset
2015-12-09T18:15:16 < jpa-> i might have, let me check logs
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2015-12-09T18:16:09 < zyp> __rob, dma tx or rx?
2015-12-09T18:17:27 < jpa-> __rob: http://xob.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stm32/2013-02.log   search for BSY
2015-12-09T18:17:52 < jpa-> in my case it was due to changing the SPI config without disabling it
2015-12-09T18:18:48 < zyp> yeah, changing SPI config while enabled will fuck up
2015-12-09T18:20:42 < kakimir> omg stm32 has always been what it is
2015-12-09T18:21:26 < dongs> y ou mean nonstop trolling?
2015-12-09T18:21:26 < dongs> yes
2015-12-09T18:21:39 < dongs> 2013 log reades like yesterday
2015-12-09T18:21:51 < jpa-> yeah, i noticed the same :D
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2015-12-09T18:26:08 < kakimir> It is a relief... I didn't ruin the channel
2015-12-09T18:28:35 < jpa-> looks like even Tectu knows that c++ is a bit dirty:     < Tectu> jpa-, am I supposed to do operator overloading in the  public:  ?
2015-12-09T18:29:11 < __rob> sorry, tx and rx
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2015-12-09T18:33:14 < ReadError> kakimir does dongs still think you are that one guy
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2015-12-09T18:35:07 < ReadError> beaky
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2015-12-09T18:40:07 < kakimir> oh shii-
2015-12-09T18:40:17 < Getty> t
2015-12-09T18:41:48 < kakimir> my cover is compromised
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2015-12-09T18:42:53 < __rob> not changing the spi config, so I dont think its that
2015-12-09T18:44:50 < jpa-> even rerunning the same config can do it, but yeah
2015-12-09T18:45:00 < kakimir> ReadError: it's gxti who calls out my cover
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2015-12-09T19:10:23 < upgrdman> in ltspice, is there an ideal op amp model?
2015-12-09T19:11:37 < kakimir> how would there be
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2015-12-09T19:11:53 < kakimir> how you model infinite gain and stuff like that
2015-12-09T19:13:13 < upgrdman> well near ideal then. who the fuck cares/
2015-12-09T19:13:29 < upgrdman> or fine, whats a "typical" op amp for LT?
2015-12-09T19:14:55 < upgrdman> nm. there's a "universal op amp" ... that should do the trick
2015-12-09T19:15:55 < gxti> i usually just look for lt parts on digikey that are similar to what i want
2015-12-09T19:16:03 < gxti> not that i'm going to use them, but it's close enough
2015-12-09T19:16:35 < upgrdman> problem is the "op amp" im trying to model is an FPGA LVDS input :)
2015-12-09T19:16:45 < upgrdman> so i know the hysterisis and that's about it :)
2015-12-09T19:32:22 < jpa-> upgrdman: are you planning to do something fun with the lvds input? :)
2015-12-09T19:32:44 < upgrdman> kind of.
2015-12-09T19:32:53 < upgrdman> i made a delta-sigma adc with it.
2015-12-09T19:33:26 < upgrdman> but it was a very half assed "lets try different resistors and capacitors and see if it works" ... and it works
2015-12-09T19:33:42 < jpa-> heh, i had exactly same idea a few weeks back.. but i thought that the hysteresis made it pretty crappy to do
2015-12-09T19:34:01 < __rob> cant see what this can be.. even with a 50uS delay between next dma request and it just takes a bit longer
2015-12-09T19:34:03 < __rob> but still locks
2015-12-09T19:35:53 < __rob> even slowed the spi down to 256 prescaler
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2015-12-09T19:49:56 < PaulFertser> zyp: I think _some_ l2tp/ipsec configurations fail if you make more than one connection behind the same NAT. But it shoudn't be an issue for IKEv2.
2015-12-09T19:50:16 < upgrdman> jpa-, this is how mine turned out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ALBp2K9788
2015-12-09T19:50:21 < rewolff> The hysteresis means you can't aquire data near the power supplies. Your range is GND+Vhyst to VCC-Vhyst.
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2015-12-09T19:50:34 < PaulFertser> zyp: and no, IKEv2 handles NAT-T without any support from the NAT box.
2015-12-09T19:55:58 < upgrdman> working with a d-flip-flop in ltspice. is it possible to change its output (q/q-bar) voltage? seems to be fixed at 1v :(
2015-12-09T19:58:47 < zyp> PaulFertser, ah, it supports UDP transport as well
2015-12-09T19:59:01 < zyp> I thought it was direct IP only
2015-12-09T19:59:11 < PaulFertser> zyp: well, l2tp works over UDP too but l2tp is a piece of shit.
2015-12-09T19:59:29 < PaulFertser> l2tp/ipsec uses IKEv1 afaict.
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2015-12-09T20:00:10 < PaulFertser> What's nice about openvpn is that you can have it on port tcp/443 and be able to use even in rather restrictive environments.
2015-12-09T20:02:15 < zyp> yeah
2015-12-09T20:02:53 < upgrdman> in case anyone is wondering, that wont work in places that do deep packet inspection
2015-12-09T20:03:06 < upgrdman> openvpn isn't quite good enough at disguising itself
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2015-12-09T20:23:19 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: then one can probably wrap it in openssl s_client / s_server
2015-12-09T20:23:26 < upgrdman> yes
2015-12-09T20:23:33 < upgrdman> i use stunnel, and it works in china.
2015-12-09T20:24:11 < PaulFertser> Great.
2015-12-09T20:24:17 < PaulFertser> Another useful tool is socat.
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2015-12-09T20:28:06 < karlp> socat is rad.
2015-12-09T20:30:26 < upgrdman> ltsprice loves to flicker when rendering waveforms for big simulation. i wonder if they have a cs or ee guy(s) doing their software.
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2015-12-09T20:57:39 < jpa-> upgrdman: what samplerate are you getting?
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2015-12-09T21:30:01 < upgrdman> jpa-, i'd have to find the verilog, but iirc i was using a 2MHz clock, so with 255 cycles per 8bit reading, that'd be around 7.8kSPS
2015-12-09T21:30:24 < upgrdman> and i think could drive it with a 100 or 133MHz clock, but my R and C values were not suitable for that.
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2015-12-09T21:31:01 < upgrdman> so in theory i could get 8bits at 521kSPS
2015-12-09T21:32:05 < upgrdman> part of why i want to sim this is to help get a feel for how accurate i can get. i mean i could do 32bit readings, but if the hardware can't support that... lol
2015-12-09T21:32:28 < upgrdman> im guessing around 10 - 12 bits is a realistic limit when using the LVDS input
2015-12-09T21:33:09 < upgrdman> and there will be some noteworthy nonlinearity since since the RC filter will be fed a voltage source instead of a current source.
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2015-12-09T21:44:52 < Rob235> should I use a CP2102 or FT232RL usb/serial
2015-12-09T21:49:12 < englishman> yes
2015-12-09T21:50:27 < bloated> CP2102
2015-12-09T21:51:09 < bloated> upgrdman: ltspice is written by a physics PhD iirc
2015-12-09T21:51:27 < bloated> and its a one-man show.
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2015-12-09T22:10:48 < __rob> hmm, If I just comment out the checking for BSY being idle in stmcube it seems to work :/
2015-12-09T22:18:19 < kakimir> http://i.imgur.com/IKusg7q.png
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2015-12-09T22:21:10 < Getty> kakimir: LOL
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2015-12-09T22:35:14 < gxti> i like the 'safe area' frames on the picture
2015-12-09T22:40:28 < Rob235> if using dma for usart transfer what triggers the dma?
2015-12-09T22:41:21 < upgrdman> anyone know if the simulation results from ltscript can be processed in a scripted way? like to count the number of rising edges during some time interval, etc.
2015-12-09T22:42:48 < upgrdman> in order words, i want to evaluate my design in a quantitative way, not just by visually looking at graphs
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2015-12-09T22:45:06 < Laurenceb> upgrdman: you can export as wav
2015-12-09T22:45:50 < upgrdman> as a wav. lol ok.
2015-12-09T22:46:55 < Steffanx> and open it with methlab laurenceb?
2015-12-09T22:47:05 < Laurenceb> yes, or octave
2015-12-09T22:47:19 < Laurenceb> [data, samplerate]=wavread("file");
2015-12-09T22:47:34 < upgrdman> oh cool. it can actually export via .txt too!
2015-12-09T22:47:53 < upgrdman> and does this, which is much more helpful than a wav for what im doing
2015-12-09T22:47:54 < upgrdman> time	V(vin)	V(n001)	V(n002)
2015-12-09T22:47:54 < upgrdman> 0.000000000000000e+000	1.650000e+000	3.303293e-006	3.299993e-009
2015-12-09T22:47:54 < upgrdman> 2.268640618397344e-008	1.650235e+000	3.303293e-006	3.299993e-009
2015-12-09T22:51:01 < Laurenceb> should be able to import that as csv
2015-12-09T22:51:58 < upgrdman> i think i'll write a program to interpret it, since i need to do some stuff that would be easier to code in c or java than to mess with excel
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2015-12-09T23:13:48 < karlp> Rob235: definitely not ft232rl, either cp210x or the newer ft230x parts instead, whatever you can get cheaper
2015-12-09T23:14:59 < Rob235> I had both of what I mentioned but haven't used either yet. Already decided on the CP2102, almost done setting it up
2015-12-09T23:21:44 < upgrdman> whats bad about the ft232rl?
2015-12-09T23:23:17 < kakimir> price
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2015-12-10T00:09:44 < Rob235> I'm trying to use dma with usart tx (connected to a CP2102 USB/Serial) but nothing is happening: http://pastebin.com/sLq8FqiJ
2015-12-10T00:38:36 < jadew> here's something those cheap buck converters from e-bay that are using cloned LM2596 can't do... they can't be used in the inverted buck-boost configuration
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2015-12-10T01:10:47 < kakimir> why would you need can tranceiver with spi interface?
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2015-12-10T01:41:55 < karlp> someone remind upgrdman that ft232rl is not only more expensive than ft230x new gen, but needs more external parts whenhe gets back...
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2015-12-10T02:04:39 < kakimir> I wonder if I should place paraller resistance to can line before or after CMC
2015-12-10T02:04:52 < kakimir> some designs recommend such
2015-12-10T02:14:09 < Rob235> usart uses ascii right?
2015-12-10T02:15:02 < BrainDamage> usart just transmits whatever you want, ascii is how you interprete the result
2015-12-10T02:15:13 < pid> …usually.
2015-12-10T02:16:01 < kakimir> usart doesn't have any standard format
2015-12-10T02:16:22 < kakimir> of data
2015-12-10T02:16:36 < BrainDamage> saying that is misleading, it just transmits raw bits
2015-12-10T02:16:46 < BrainDamage> what those bits mean, it's up to you
2015-12-10T02:17:36 < dongs> no it uses PETSCII
2015-12-10T02:17:39 < kakimir> you fool - it transmits electrons and what that means is up to you
2015-12-10T02:18:22 < BrainDamage> electrons are not transmitted, they are merely circulated
2015-12-10T02:18:32 < BrainDamage> :p
2015-12-10T02:18:35 < pid> :-D
2015-12-10T02:22:57 < kakimir> electrons are transmitted to both directions at the same time
2015-12-10T02:23:04 < kakimir> *
2015-12-10T02:23:15 < kakimir> in seperate paths
2015-12-10T02:32:32 < scummos> well actually what carries energy+information is a photon ... moving electrons from A to B is not even necessary
2015-12-10T02:32:40 < scummos> (and does not happen in a lot of cases)
2015-12-10T02:32:45 < BrainDamage> yep
2015-12-10T02:33:00 < kakimir> that's very nerd
2015-12-10T02:33:14 < BrainDamage> altough the photon can be virtual because lulz
2015-12-10T02:33:28 < pid> …cloud computing in 3…
2015-12-10T02:33:54 < Rob235> hmm.  so if I send a value between 0x00 and 0x1F it shows fine, then 0x20 becomes 0x60 and 0x21 is 0x61.... theres another jump somewhere between there and 127
2015-12-10T02:34:13 < scummos> the photon cannot be virtual in this case, it is observed on the receiving side.
2015-12-10T02:36:15 < kakimir> about that milliampere amplifier probe
2015-12-10T02:36:18 < kakimir> guys
2015-12-10T02:36:29 < kakimir> why not use one chip solution
2015-12-10T02:36:33 < kakimir> shunt monitor
2015-12-10T02:37:59 < kakimir> youdont even need to know what you are doings
2015-12-10T02:38:24 < kakimir> just throw them your money
2015-12-10T02:41:21 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=ad8210
2015-12-10T02:41:42 < kakimir> lamish offset
2015-12-10T02:45:59 < kakimir> why I ever bought one it's expensives too
2015-12-10T02:48:55 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Maxim-Integrated/MAX9923FEUB+/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvEn2pkGav3bMGiddAnKBJhRgJPtTg36fk%3d
2015-12-10T02:50:40 < kakimir> I bought it for high voltage and bandwidth
2015-12-10T02:54:51 < kakimir> I need high bandwidth for measurement purposes in this case
2015-12-10T03:02:36 < kakimir> bidir, 500khz and 1mV is not bad combination for 2years back me
2015-12-10T03:02:54 < kakimir> not a bad choise
2015-12-10T03:03:37 < kakimir> 120dB CMRR
2015-12-10T03:04:08 < dongs> blog rejection ratio
2015-12-10T03:05:06 < kakimir> dong rejection ratio
2015-12-10T03:05:31 < kakimir> -100dB
2015-12-10T03:12:05 < dongs> rejecting the dongs
2015-12-10T03:12:07 < dongs> we need your support
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2015-12-10T03:24:40 < kakimir> I have problem.. my swag is 0%
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2015-12-10T03:47:46 < Rob235> I set up a cp2102 USB/Serial to transmit debug info and if I send a value between 0x00 and 0x1F it shows fine, then 0x20 becomes 0x60 and 0x21 is 0x61.... theres another jump somewhere between there and 127.  Why is this happening?
2015-12-10T03:57:15 < dongs> what are you using to monitor this
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2015-12-10T04:00:55 < Rob235> coolterm
2015-12-10T04:01:17 < Rob235> I haven't used usart clock init struct, is that needed? Haven't looked at it before
2015-12-10T04:01:21 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pine64/pine-a64-first-15-64-bit-single-board-super-comput more dickstarter trash
2015-12-10T04:01:31 < dongs> Rob235: use hercules setup
2015-12-10T04:01:36 < dongs> it doesnt dick with characters
2015-12-10T04:01:46 < dongs> http://www.hw-group.com/products/hercules/index_en.html
2015-12-10T04:02:18 < kakimir> oh now I remember
2015-12-10T04:02:29 < kakimir> I need serial communication terminal program
2015-12-10T04:02:33 < kakimir> realterm?
2015-12-10T04:02:40 < dongs> i just linked the best one
2015-12-10T04:02:41 < Rob235> I just have it set on hex right now but i'll try.  I'm starting to think I'm doing usart wrong somehow (maybe the clock init) because reading the sbus was getting off values sometimes too.  Same problem. one bit of the byte is sometimes off
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2015-12-10T04:03:48 < kakimir> dongs: they extortionate money out of it?
2015-12-10T04:03:58 < dongs> no?
2015-12-10T04:04:14 < Rob235> like with sbus I would get 0x4C instead of 0xAC and now I'm getting 0x60 instead of 0x20
2015-12-10T04:04:25 < dongs> DOWNLOAD:  Download version 3.2.8
2015-12-10T04:04:48 < kakimir> dongs: It doesn't seem much dongs !
2015-12-10T04:04:57 < kakimir> for a serial terminal
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2015-12-10T04:12:07 < Rob235> same problem with hercules
2015-12-10T04:13:59 < kakimir> realterm is teh shit
2015-12-10T04:14:18 < kakimir> because anything else didn't work
2015-12-10T04:14:33 < kakimir> http://sourceforge.net/projects/realterm/?source=typ_redirect
2015-12-10T04:15:57 < kakimir> also it doesn't look like a toy
2015-12-10T04:17:30 < kakimir> it looks badass
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2015-12-10T04:32:34 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/cyingrB.png
2015-12-10T04:34:43 < Rob235> grr why does USART6->DR = 0x20; result in 0x60?????
2015-12-10T04:37:32 < kakimir> upgrdman: you ran it?
2015-12-10T04:38:08 < upgrdman> no
2015-12-10T04:38:12 < kakimir> u ran pronz on your phone?
2015-12-10T04:38:37 < upgrdman> not my phone. from reddit.
2015-12-10T04:47:06 < kakimir> you had message in backlog upgrdman
2015-12-10T04:47:26 < upgrdman> copy n paste please
2015-12-10T04:47:43 < kakimir> how to use backlog hmm
2015-12-10T04:49:19 < kakimir> oh its lastlog
2015-12-10T04:49:45 < kakimir> 01:41 < karlp> someone remind upgrdman that ft232rl is not only more expensive than ft230x new gen, but needs more external parts whenhe gets back...
2015-12-10T04:50:34 < upgrdman> ahh ok
2015-12-10T04:50:41 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/2fN2qr6.jpg this guy doesnt actually use altium
2015-12-10T04:50:48 < dongs> also left-handed mouse? what the fuckkkkk
2015-12-10T04:52:08 < kakimir> u jelly?
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2015-12-10T04:56:11 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/dzXt46M.gifv
2015-12-10T04:59:40 < dongs> fail url, nobody died
2015-12-10T04:59:44 < dongs> i expected that cage to collapse
2015-12-10T04:59:52 < dongs> and all the guys end up with metal rods sticking out of thier ass
2015-12-10T05:07:31 < upgrdman> found dongs https://i.imgur.com/ByjZEum.jpg
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2015-12-10T05:08:32 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/bFM1rjt.gifv
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2015-12-10T05:09:48 < dongs> he's a bright one
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2015-12-10T05:14:51 < Rob235> USART_ITConfig(USART6, USART_IT_TXE, ENABLE);   why does this line cause constant TXE interrupts when no data is transmitting
2015-12-10T05:16:15 < upgrdman> you forget to clear the flag in the interrupt?
2015-12-10T05:16:25 < kakimir> that
2015-12-10T05:16:42 < Rob235> nope
2015-12-10T05:16:44 < Rob235> i clear it
2015-12-10T05:24:27 < kakimir> does break condition cause that interrupt?
2015-12-10T05:25:34 < dongs> stop breaking my condition
2015-12-10T05:25:36 < Rob235> not debugging, just making an onboard led blink in the interrupt (and the led is staying solid)
2015-12-10T05:25:51 < dongs> er\
2015-12-10T05:25:57 < dongs> sounds like youre getting overrun with interrupts then
2015-12-10T05:26:13 < Rob235> yea when I shouldn't be getting any
2015-12-10T05:26:25 < dongs> bust out that fucking debugger
2015-12-10T05:26:45 < Rob235> I don't know what to look for
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2015-12-10T05:35:28 < GargantuaSauce> how are you clearing the txe bit
2015-12-10T05:38:03 < GargantuaSauce> Rob235?
2015-12-10T05:38:05 < Rob235> if (USART_GetITStatus(USART6, USART_IT_TXE) != RESET) { USART_ClearITPendingBit(USART6, USART_IT_TXE); }
2015-12-10T05:38:17 < Rob235> thats in my interrupt handler
2015-12-10T05:38:30 < GargantuaSauce> wut. i thought the only way to clear it was sending a byte
2015-12-10T05:38:42 < GargantuaSauce> thats what the refman says. you either do that or clear TXEIE
2015-12-10T05:39:02 < Rob235> I'm sure thats what it does
2015-12-10T05:39:20 < dongs> thats what what does
2015-12-10T05:39:57 < Rob235> it writes to SR
2015-12-10T05:40:04 < dongs> sr != dr
2015-12-10T05:40:18 < Rob235> the clearitpendingbit() writes to sr
2015-12-10T05:41:43 < Rob235> I wonder if coocox's libraries have anything to do with my problems
2015-12-10T05:42:23 < GargantuaSauce> Bit 7TXE: Transmit data register empty  This bit is set by hardware when the content of the TDR register has been transferred into the shift register. An interrupt is generated if the TXEIE bit =1 in the USART_CR1 register. It is cleared by a write to the USART_DR register.
2015-12-10T05:42:28 < GargantuaSauce> doin it wrong
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2015-12-10T05:43:12 < Rob235> haha ahhh
2015-12-10T05:43:22 < Rob235> thanks man
2015-12-10T05:43:34 < GargantuaSauce> so yeah just clear TXEIE when you're not sending shit
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2015-12-10T05:44:42 < Rob235> now back to my main problem...
2015-12-10T05:45:18 < GargantuaSauce> actually there's an assert that should be failing in that stdperiphlib function
2015-12-10T05:45:28 < GargantuaSauce> you might wanna set stuff up so that asserts actually do something
2015-12-10T05:54:57 < Rob235> I wish I had more experience with this stuff.  I have no idea why sending 0x00 to 0x1F works and then 0x20 results in a read of 0x60
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2015-12-10T06:06:59 < Rob235> and I'm getting framing errors with my logic analyzer
2015-12-10T06:08:39 < Rob235> that would explain the errors I'm getting where its at most 1 bit off
2015-12-10T06:08:44 < Rob235> what would cause it though
2015-12-10T06:10:57 < Rob235> would that be a baudrate issue?
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2015-12-10T06:14:22 < Rob235> sweeeet that was it
2015-12-10T06:14:42 < Rob235> i lowered the baudrate from 115200 to 105200 and its correct
2015-12-10T06:14:51 < dongs> is this sbus...?
2015-12-10T06:15:06 < dongs> sbus is 100,00 baud
2015-12-10T06:15:08 < dongs> er 100,000
2015-12-10T06:15:14 < Rob235> no, but i'll have to do the same thing for it, this is just a cp2102 usb/serial adapter
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2015-12-10T06:17:34 < Rob235> any idea why it would be off like that?
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2015-12-10T06:27:12 < ReadError> clocks messed up?
2015-12-10T06:27:33 < Rob235> how do I know?
2015-12-10T06:30:29 < englishman> cp2102 doesn't support 100000k
2015-12-10T06:32:19 < Rob235> it supports up to 921600
2015-12-10T06:32:50 < englishman> rtfm
2015-12-10T06:33:10 < Rob235> ? thats what I'm looking at right now
2015-12-10T06:34:06 < englishman> cool bro
2015-12-10T06:34:47 < Rob235> and it did the same thing at 9600 so it doesn't matter, it supports 115200 fine
2015-12-10T06:37:27 < Rob235> nice, enabled my dma code and that works now too
2015-12-10T06:42:38 < upgrdman> any cheap gsm modules for mcu's?
2015-12-10T06:43:18 < dongs> tons
2015-12-10T06:43:21 < dongs> hit up aidsfruit
2015-12-10T06:43:58 < dongs> https://www.adafruit.com/product/1946
2015-12-10T06:45:52 < upgrdman> but no like $4 china shits? like esp8266 but for gsm ;)
2015-12-10T06:50:16 < dongs> you CHEAP FUCK
2015-12-10T06:52:18 < upgrdman> you know you would buy em for $4 if they were available
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2015-12-10T07:06:52 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/Ulb2XkA
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2015-12-10T07:34:04 < dongs> i dont get it
2015-12-10T07:37:21 < upgrdman> its just a funny reaction and it involves Trumpt so bonus points.
2015-12-10T07:40:51 < upgrdman> you dont want Putin instead?
2015-12-10T08:02:25 < Rob235> doesn't the NDTR register hold how many bytes to send over dma? I set it in a function before enabling the dma but it always outputs the number of bytes originally set in the init struct.
2015-12-10T08:17:49 < dongs> November 27, 2015 , 2:25 pm
2015-12-10T08:17:49 < dongs> Departed USPS Facility
2015-12-10T08:17:50 < dongs> FEDERAL WAY, WA 98003
2015-12-10T08:17:52 < dongs> fucking innovations
2015-12-10T08:17:58 < dongs> still not delivered
2015-12-10T08:17:59 < dongs> fuck usa
2015-12-10T08:18:10 < emeb_mac> we're already fuckeded
2015-12-10T08:18:22 < upgrdman> dongs, shipping to or from usa?
2015-12-10T08:18:29 < dongs> FROM USA TO USA LOL
2015-12-10T08:18:35 < emeb_mac> I know where Federal Way is - tiny shit town between Tacoma & Seattle.
2015-12-10T08:18:55 < upgrdman> dongs, lol fail
2015-12-10T08:20:09 < Rob235> I just realized today that I ordered an arduino mega on October 12 and it never came
2015-12-10T08:20:18 < dongs> good choice
2015-12-10T08:20:31 < Rob235> it was before I decided to switch to stm32
2015-12-10T08:21:11 < upgrdman> that EXACT same thing happened to me. i was fucking with arduinos, ordered a Mega clone, then discovered the f4 before the mega arrived.
2015-12-10T08:21:25 < upgrdman> i still have that mega in a sealed anti static bag
2015-12-10T08:21:32 < Rob235> at least you got yours :/
2015-12-10T08:21:38 < emeb_mac> abandoned. unloved.
2015-12-10T08:21:42 < upgrdman> wtf do you still wanted a mega for
2015-12-10T08:21:43 < emeb_mac> give it to some HS kid.
2015-12-10T08:21:45 < upgrdman> it's like aids
2015-12-10T08:22:02 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, i was tempted. i have like uno clones, two nano clones and one unopened mega clone
2015-12-10T08:22:04 < Rob235> yea I really don't have a use for it so I'm not too worried about it.  Not even sure if I'll email the seller
2015-12-10T08:22:17 < dongs> you will receive it months later
2015-12-10T08:22:25 < emeb_mac> for giggles I ordered a teesy clone.
2015-12-10T08:22:35 < upgrdman> i did however trash my basic stamp 2. no one even wants them, lol
2015-12-10T08:22:36 < Rob235> So far my collection is an uno, stm32f4 discovery, and a teensy 3.2 that I got for $10
2015-12-10T08:22:37 < emeb_mac> freescale kinetis ifink.
2015-12-10T08:24:05 < Rob235> cant wait to finish my first project though
2015-12-10T08:24:48 < upgrdman> so i was just reading some article about how china says they dont censor their internet. does china block porn? reddit comments indicate they do?
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2015-12-10T08:52:20 < bloated> is there an irc channel for drones or rc stuff ?
2015-12-10T09:02:40 < PeterM> channel for drones would be #conspiracydipshits dunno about rc stuff though
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2015-12-10T09:38:15 < bloated> IC trays are not anti-static right ?
2015-12-10T09:39:06 < PeterM> static dissipative if you get your tray from a reputable place
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2015-12-10T10:01:44 < dongs> PeterM: for rc stuff is just #dipshits
2015-12-10T10:02:49 < PeterM> lol'd
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2015-12-10T10:21:59 < mitrax> only in japan! https://www.facebook.com/SportTelegraph/videos/1063535087024619/
2015-12-10T10:22:48 < Rob235> ahh, success, I'm done for the night, fixed my baudrate problem and have my sbus decoder and serial out for debugging finished.  I can now see the values of the radio channels!
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2015-12-10T10:26:25 < dongs> so waht was the final problem
2015-12-10T10:29:16 < Rob235> For sbus I set the baudrate to the lowest value that gave me the value I knew I should get every time, then I increased it until the first signs of it fucking up and just set it to half that
2015-12-10T10:29:20 < Rob235> the midpoint
2015-12-10T10:29:23 < dongs> ...
2015-12-10T10:30:47 < ReadError> huh
2015-12-10T10:30:51 < ReadError> its a known baud though?
2015-12-10T10:31:29 < Rob235> yea I dont know if my clocks are weird or something but I had to change it a little
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2015-12-10T10:31:49 < dongs> whydont you solve the real problem
2015-12-10T10:31:52 < ReadError> used MCO to verify clocks?
2015-12-10T10:31:52 < dongs> instead of lunixing around it
2015-12-10T10:32:25 < Rob235> mco?
2015-12-10T10:32:36 < ReadError> yes its amazing
2015-12-10T10:33:00 < Rob235> I have it set to 106000 instead of 100000
2015-12-10T10:33:35 < ReadError> https://trix.io/configuring-and-measuring-mco-on-stm32/
2015-12-10T10:33:40 < ReadError> timecube but has pictures
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2015-12-10T10:38:01 < Rob235> what if I only have a 24Mhz logic analyzer
2015-12-10T10:39:12 < ReadError> ก็็็็็็็็็็็็็ʕ•͡ᴥ•ʔ ก้้้้้้้้้้้
2015-12-10T10:43:37 < jpa-> Rob235: you can set it to output a divided frequency
2015-12-10T10:43:55 < Rob235> ahh. i'll look into it tomorrow thanks
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2015-12-10T13:24:01 < dongs> BREAKING: Switzerland police raises alert level following tip by Swiss federal authorities, actively looking for four Muslim terrorists believed to be in Geneva
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2015-12-10T14:06:21 < Steffanx> BEAKING NEWS?
2015-12-10T14:07:32 < ReadError> RIP Tectu and his 'lady friends'
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2015-12-10T14:18:47 < ReadError> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/security/3123040.aspx
2015-12-10T14:18:57 < ReadError> ava lul
2015-12-10T14:24:07 < jadew> dongs, link?
2015-12-10T14:31:26 < jadew> I started googling for switzerland news and as I was writing "switz" I was suggested to search for switzerland boobies
2015-12-10T14:32:08 < jadew> apparently I searched for that before
2015-12-10T14:32:17 < jadew> least dirty search results ever
2015-12-10T14:33:57 < jadew> seems like any other country has better boobies search results than switzerland
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2015-12-10T14:45:12 < dongs> http://www.christiantoday.com/article/switzerland.bans.the.burqua.imposes.6500.fine.on.muslim.women.wearing.full.body.garment.in.public/71830.htm lol
2015-12-10T14:46:26 < jadew> hah
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2015-12-10T14:49:39 < Getty> well thats something discusssed in germany too big time
2015-12-10T14:50:00 < Getty> as we have a non-hiding law in general, you are not allowed to hide your face in public more or less
2015-12-10T14:50:16 < jadew> same here
2015-12-10T14:50:48 < Getty> so its always a bit of a heated topic, as religious freedom from christian side of view is cut down to exactly in line with law
2015-12-10T14:51:26 < jadew> yeah, but christians don't really do anything weird
2015-12-10T14:51:47 < ReadError> sure they do
2015-12-10T14:51:54 < Getty> in US they do for sure ;)
2015-12-10T14:52:00 < Getty> like denying todo their paperwork ;)
2015-12-10T14:52:04 < Getty> <couldntresist>
2015-12-10T14:52:08 < jadew> ah
2015-12-10T14:52:13 < jadew> don't know what they're like in the US
2015-12-10T14:52:28 < ReadError> they go up to strangers doors
2015-12-10T14:52:38 < ReadError> and try to tell them about their lord and savior jesus christ
2015-12-10T14:52:44 < Getty> which i find btw funny
2015-12-10T14:52:50 < jadew> yeah, that doesn't happen here
2015-12-10T14:52:52 < Getty> in a country with this kind of gun laws going around door to door
2015-12-10T14:52:56 < jadew> jehova's witnesses do that here
2015-12-10T14:53:02 < Getty> yeah its forbidden in most civilized countries ;)
2015-12-10T14:53:10 < Getty> yeah thats forbidden in germany
2015-12-10T14:53:19 < ReadError> so is listening to music in public
2015-12-10T14:53:31 < ReadError> unless you pay the GEMA TROLL TOLL
2015-12-10T14:53:36 < Getty> hehehehe
2015-12-10T14:53:45 < Getty> well it is not illegal to listen to music in public
2015-12-10T14:54:00 < jadew> the BOM price for this project is getting out of hand
2015-12-10T14:54:07 < Getty> but your town may have regulated it (which is then not a crime)
2015-12-10T14:54:09 < qyx> too much vias?
2015-12-10T14:54:20 < Getty> in germany at least
2015-12-10T14:54:32 < jadew> if I use one more opamp (and I kinda need to) it'll reach $1
2015-12-10T14:54:34 < PeterM> wait... so you're not allowed to wear a full face tinted motorcycle helmet in public?
2015-12-10T14:54:59 < jadew> PeterM, only on your bike
2015-12-10T14:55:19 < jadew> you can't go into a shop with the helmet on
2015-12-10T14:55:34 < jadew> and if it's not illegal in the US it's definitely unwise
2015-12-10T14:55:38 < jadew> in there you risk to get shot
2015-12-10T14:55:55 < jadew> "holly crap, we're getting robbed! get the shootgun!"
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2015-12-10T14:56:15 < jadew> because you know... hillbilly bob has the right to bear arms
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2015-12-10T14:59:02 < Getty> PeterM: yeah its really illegal, and the shop own could call directly the cops without any question asks if he tells on the phone "there is a masked man entering my shop"
2015-12-10T14:59:29 < Getty> PeterM: of course you will still see people going in with helmet on, given that most of the time they are known customers and stuff if they do so
2015-12-10T14:59:45 < Getty> but a cop might go up to him and force him to take off the helmet
2015-12-10T15:00:57 < Getty> i think i remember my friend having a special card for the police cause he had a bandage around his head, just so that they wouldnt get suspicious
2015-12-10T15:01:25 < jadew> loophole found!
2015-12-10T15:01:41 < Getty> yeah bang your head against the wall! the ultimate loophole!
2015-12-10T15:02:05 < ReadError> gonna setup my stencilmakermachine when i get done working !
2015-12-10T15:04:23 < Getty> LOL email of some company that i had ordered on "Sorry that you got our newsletter, through an error in our system all people who denied the newsletter got the newsletter and those who wanted the newsletter wasnt getting it. We are big sorry, blabalba"
2015-12-10T15:04:51 < PaulFertser> I've read some gas stations in moscow require you to take off the helmet and to not sit on your bike while refueling. But I've never faced any problems doing both.
2015-12-10T15:05:31 < akaWolf> not surprisingly
2015-12-10T15:05:32 < akaWolf> it's Russia
2015-12-10T15:05:46 < Getty> the german police can be very picky about the hiding stuff, its not one of those laws that gets ignored
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2015-12-10T15:15:02 < PaulFertser> Getty: so can you go inside the gas station shop with helmet on?
2015-12-10T15:15:35 < Getty> PaulFertser: if you dont know the owner you shouldnt........ but its not like they pull out the guns if you do ;)
2015-12-10T15:15:47 < PaulFertser> They've no guns
2015-12-10T15:15:54 < Getty> PaulFertser: i cant speak for all areas tho, might be "looseN" in many areas that dont saw a crime for decades
2015-12-10T15:16:02 < Getty> but in a town area, for sure, take your helmet off
2015-12-10T15:16:10 < ReadError> anyone familiar with opencv?
2015-12-10T15:16:24 < Getty> ReadError: theoretical........ thats all, soon have to work with it intense (pick&place)
2015-12-10T15:16:26 < ReadError> trying to see if there is a solution to in-memory image viewing in eclipse
2015-12-10T15:16:47 < ReadError> I know VS has some stuff, but couldnt find much for eclipse ;/
2015-12-10T15:17:47 < PaulFertser> Getty: even if not tinted and the visor is open?
2015-12-10T15:18:22 < ReadError> Getty what kind of PNP stuff are you doing?
2015-12-10T15:18:35 < Getty> oh visor open is usually enough, yeah, if they see your face its a bit more ok, still grey area tho
2015-12-10T15:18:49 < Getty> ReadError: we bough the liteplacer to push a bit our little production
2015-12-10T15:18:58 < ReadError> ah neat
2015-12-10T15:19:04 < ReadError> im playing with openpnp now
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2015-12-10T16:12:58 < faindu> I have a F429 disco board and measure the current (through JP3). When in standby mode (HAL_PWR_EnterSTANDBYMode) I still measure ca. 9 mA. Any idea why?
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2015-12-10T16:17:28 < jpa-> too lazy to check schematic
2015-12-10T16:17:34 < jpa-> anything else behind that jumper?
2015-12-10T16:18:06 < jpa-> other than that, GPIO would be the best guess, any leds that are left on or similar
2015-12-10T16:19:45 < Getty> ReadError: given it was an overnight decision, we have the situation right now that the liteplacer is HERE, right now laying in the floor..... but we still need some weeks till we have prepared the room where it should be placed ;)
2015-12-10T16:21:35 < faindu> GPIOs are all disabled (like any other thing) and put into analoge mode, I checked the schema, but as far as I can see everything else on the board in separated.
2015-12-10T16:23:28 < dongs> Getty: congrats, you blew 1.2k eur on garbage
2015-12-10T16:23:31 < dongs> enjoy your opensores
2015-12-10T16:24:23 < Getty> dongs: there are no other options to blow the 1.2k ;)
2015-12-10T16:24:43 < Getty> dongs: we know is not high speed but that is not our problem
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2015-12-10T16:43:10 < jon1012> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/onagofly-the-smart-nano-drone--2#/ yet another drone ! oh a cx-30w sold 8 times the price !
2015-12-10T16:43:29 < dongs> ya retards gonna retard
2015-12-10T16:43:37 < dongs> whats funny is idiots in zano comment section
2015-12-10T16:43:42 < dongs> are saying "i just went and backed onagofly"
2015-12-10T16:43:44 < dongs> lulz
2015-12-10T16:43:47 < dongs> they dont learn at all
2015-12-10T16:44:06 < Getty> hehe
2015-12-10T16:44:19 < jon1012> (beside that, I have a couple of cx-30w here, works perfectly !)
2015-12-10T16:44:37 < jon1012> (bought for a fraction of the price of those crappy scams)
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2015-12-10T17:09:08 < englishman> 1/4 mil, 29 days left
2015-12-10T17:09:16 < englishman> Same promises as zano but brushless
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2015-12-10T17:10:45 < englishman> Started in December, going to ces
2015-12-10T17:10:52 < englishman> The similarities are striking...
2015-12-10T17:11:30 < englishman> But shipping in january
2015-12-10T17:15:19 < GargantuaSauce> onagofly sounds like a sex toy
2015-12-10T17:17:27 < jpa-> hmph, STM32F7 discovery no longer contains jumpers for stlink
2015-12-10T17:17:35 < jpa-> so not easy to use for external boards
2015-12-10T17:26:24 < GargantuaSauce> so saw it in half
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2015-12-10T17:32:28 < jpa-> http://www.enertionboards.com/product_images/n/849/enertion_double_vesc_motor_controller_v4__20221.jpg   ah bah, VESC board had this trollusb connector that is supposed to be installed through the board
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2015-12-10T17:32:52 < jpa-> now i have components on the other side of the board.. and the pinout is wrong way around cf a normal connector
2015-12-10T17:33:06 < ReadError> are they using some inverted connector?
2015-12-10T17:33:14 < ReadError> looks odd
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2015-12-10T17:42:57 < kakimir> why stm32 motor controller
2015-12-10T17:43:14 < kakimir> isn't there even propper motor control suitable timer outputs
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2015-12-10T17:48:51 < upgrdman_> there's OLED TVs and phone, but why aren't there any OLED monitors?
2015-12-10T17:49:52 < ReadError> kakimir you seen it?
2015-12-10T17:50:20 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqNOx57f2OU i like this one
2015-12-10T17:53:23 < jpa-> kakimir: uh what?
2015-12-10T17:53:53 < jpa-> yes, stm32 has proper motor control outputs, and that is exactly why stm32 is a good choice for a motor controller
2015-12-10T17:59:01 < kakimir> just trolls
2015-12-10T18:00:14 < jpa-> nah, just stupid
2015-12-10T18:02:19 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew_Ih779FwY
2015-12-10T18:02:21 < GargantuaSauce> looooool
2015-12-10T18:06:26 < englishman> 15.4 put to good use
2015-12-10T18:06:33 < englishman> Internet-of-assholes
2015-12-10T18:07:50 < Laurenceb> avr is clearly the best choice for motor control
2015-12-10T18:08:04 < Laurenceb> you can just fire up spin.gif and it works
2015-12-10T18:13:07 < kakimir> how about those dedicated motor control mcus?
2015-12-10T18:13:26 < kakimir> why they make them
2015-12-10T18:13:36 < kakimir> also more expensives usually
2015-12-10T18:14:52 < kakimir> is it just the software they provide?
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2015-12-10T18:22:13 < jpa-> kakimir: might also have some of the other hardware integrated
2015-12-10T18:22:25 < jpa-> vesc has a separate chip for gate driving & current feedback
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2015-12-10T18:42:22 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKZEJZWWFKaTlfN00&usp=sharing current board first photos
2015-12-10T18:42:40 < GargantuaSauce> not enough vias
2015-12-10T18:43:06 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-10T18:43:14 < kakimir> I think I need to add some around shunt
2015-12-10T18:45:44 < ReadError> yawn, no SMAs
2015-12-10T18:45:45 < ReadError> fail
2015-12-10T18:45:56 < jpa-> what is that connector if not SMA?
2015-12-10T18:46:07 < ReadError> oh didnt notice that
2015-12-10T18:46:11 < ReadError> was looking for 8+
2015-12-10T18:46:17 < jpa-> he's switched to smd sma
2015-12-10T18:46:36 < kakimir> also moded sma
2015-12-10T18:46:50 < kakimir> look backside
2015-12-10T18:47:11 < ReadError> kakimir that was an idea i had a while back
2015-12-10T18:47:13 < kakimir> you stuff it to top of pcb
2015-12-10T18:47:14 < ReadError> never got around to trying
2015-12-10T18:47:28 < jpa-> you somehow really like to make protoboards on real pcbs, instead of just making actual final boards
2015-12-10T18:47:57 < kakimir> I have no moneys atm.
2015-12-10T18:48:13 < ReadError> SMA habits arent cheap
2015-12-10T18:48:14 < kakimir> so I need to refine these
2015-12-10T18:48:29 < jpa-> so even more reason not to waste the money on such protoboards?
2015-12-10T18:48:45 < kakimir> I have moneys but only cash moneys hard to turn it into paypal here
2015-12-10T18:49:04 < ReadError> cash -> bank -> paypal?
2015-12-10T18:49:16 < ReadError> cash -> prepaid debit card -> paypal
2015-12-10T18:49:21 < jpa-> mommy gives allowance in cash?
2015-12-10T18:49:43 < kakimir> :D
2015-12-10T18:53:10 < Laurenceb> she has a letterbox in the floor
2015-12-10T18:53:39 < kakimir> no I need to keep my few cash seprate from my bank account or I shoot myself in foot with social system
2015-12-10T18:53:57 < Laurenceb> lol benefit scammer
2015-12-10T18:54:01 < jpa-> haha
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2015-12-10T18:55:16 < jpa-> so looks like i've paid 10kEUR taxes this year to help kakimir buy his SMAs 
2015-12-10T18:55:17 < kakimir> it's not like I had thousands and property
2015-12-10T18:55:57 < kakimir> I'm not going to jump off gliff with this like I did last year
2015-12-10T18:56:33 < jpa-> smas are not basejump parachutes
2015-12-10T18:56:55 < Laurenceb> kakimir does basejumping?
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2015-12-10T18:57:23 < kakimir> I did parachuting when I was young
2015-12-10T18:57:36 < kakimir> 3years ago
2015-12-10T18:59:01 < emeb> kakimir is 3yrs older than young now.
2015-12-10T19:00:42 < Laurenceb> 68?
2015-12-10T19:01:09 < kakimir> jpa-: my dad propably paid more tax than you earned
2015-12-10T19:03:23 < jpa-> so he gave nothing to you or you wasted it all on smas?
2015-12-10T19:04:07 < jpa-> with 100k+ income i wouldn't expect his son to have to smuggle money out of social support
2015-12-10T19:06:23 < kakimir> I wouldn't take moneys from him I guess
2015-12-10T19:06:39 < kakimir> because poverty rulez
2015-12-10T19:06:41 < jpa-> strange morality
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2015-12-10T19:07:20 < kakimir> also he wouldn't just give moneys to me
2015-12-10T19:07:32 < kakimir> because learn to earn your own
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2015-12-10T19:08:51 < BrainDamage> learn to scam*
2015-12-10T19:09:46 < kakimir> is there difference really
2015-12-10T19:10:31 < jpa-> nope
2015-12-10T19:10:39 < jpa-> but some scamming is more honorable than other
2015-12-10T19:12:19 < kakimir> when some high boss "earns" in MEUR range just because he is in rigth posse "brother club"
2015-12-10T19:12:54 < kakimir> they don't keep it real
2015-12-10T19:17:03 < kakimir> I lost the point anyways--
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2015-12-10T19:20:39 < Laurenceb> murican system: parents are rich and pass on money
2015-12-10T19:21:08 < Laurenceb> finnish system: parents get all money taxed, teach son to scam all the money back again
2015-12-10T19:21:21 < kakimir> :d
2015-12-10T19:21:50 < kakimir> that is why you stay 10years in university
2015-12-10T19:22:07 < kakimir> taking back that tax mone
2015-12-10T19:22:14 < kakimir> parents have paid
2015-12-10T19:22:15 < ReadError> meanwhile in the UK, they have entire TV shows about scamming the dole
2015-12-10T19:22:34 < Laurenceb> lol true
2015-12-10T19:22:44 < ReadError> its all fat lazy people
2015-12-10T19:22:48 < ReadError> complaining about how they cant work
2015-12-10T19:22:56 < ReadError> but can still goto the pub and buy smokes
2015-12-10T19:23:12 < kakimir> well brits.. they are total bastards.. how is that country running anyways like top10 economies
2015-12-10T19:23:48 < kakimir> or top5 even
2015-12-10T19:24:30 < ReadError> they dont use the euro? ;p
2015-12-10T19:24:44 < Laurenceb> I was wondering the same thing myself
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2015-12-10T19:34:17 < kakimir> they enjoyed money too much to join euroscamming
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2015-12-10T19:53:42 < Laurenceb> http://journals.lww.com/pec-online/Abstract/2004/11000/Comparison_of_the_Temporal_Artery_and_Rectal.3.aspx
2015-12-10T19:53:48 < Laurenceb> ChrisHanson.jpg
2015-12-10T19:54:25 < ReadError> hey so odd question
2015-12-10T19:54:34 < ReadError> whats the cheapest thing that comes in a SOT23-5
2015-12-10T19:54:52 < ReadError> and a QFN and TQFP
2015-12-10T19:55:12 < zyp> thing? probably one of the super common vregs
2015-12-10T19:56:13 < zyp> what's it for? solder practice?
2015-12-10T19:56:15 < ReadError> yea doesnt matter what it is
2015-12-10T19:56:22 < ReadError> practice ? ;p nah
2015-12-10T19:56:29 < zyp> art?
2015-12-10T19:56:36 < ReadError> just to work on this PNP vision
2015-12-10T19:56:52 < zyp> ah
2015-12-10T19:57:10 < Tectu> there are companies who sell dummy chips
2015-12-10T19:57:13 < Tectu> as in empty packages
2015-12-10T19:57:16 < Tectu> just for that purposes
2015-12-10T19:57:27 < zyp> are they cheaper than any real chip? :p
2015-12-10T19:57:30 < ReadError> yea was just wondering if there was something someone could think of that mouser or digikey would have
2015-12-10T19:57:31 < Tectu> http://www.practicalcomponents.com/
2015-12-10T19:57:45 < Tectu> zyp, well, when it comes to BGA-465 or something they surely are :P
2015-12-10T19:57:50 < ReadError> since i dont think they let you parametric their entire store
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2015-12-10T20:01:57 < jpa-> ReadError: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MIC5501-3.0YM5-TR/576-4905-1-ND/5277876   $8 for 100
2015-12-10T20:02:49 < ReadError> ahhh good find, wont feel bad about losing/destroying those
2015-12-10T20:04:32 < jpa-> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/74LVC07ABQ,115/568-2992-1-ND/1023404   $23/100pcs   cheapest qfn i found with quick search
2015-12-10T20:04:32 < zyp> not in stock
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2015-12-10T20:05:02 < ReadError> yea, sucks they dont let you just search everything
2015-12-10T20:05:25 < jpa-> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MIC5501-3.0YM5-TR/1611-MIC5501-3.0YM5-CT-ND/5700521   here the same in stock
2015-12-10T20:08:51 < ReadError> need to order some of those MAX for my chinaoven anyways
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2015-12-10T20:29:00 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2015-12-10T20:29:01 < Laurenceb> https://thestack.com/security/2015/12/10/chubb-to-offer-uk-troll-insurance-policy/
2015-12-10T20:29:03 < Laurenceb> lulz
2015-12-10T20:32:14 < Laurenceb> dat image
2015-12-10T20:35:42 < Sync> rekt
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2015-12-10T21:38:05 < Rob235> how do I use MCO to test APB2 clock? (to fix my usart timing problems)
2015-12-10T21:41:55 < PaulFertser> Rob235: if you do not have any 'scope at all, duh, attach something to your soundcard's input and make a record, that should allow you to measure the frequency nicely enough I'd say.
2015-12-10T21:42:46 < Rob235> i have a logic analyzer, I just don't know what to look for
2015-12-10T21:43:41 < Rob235> I don't know what can cause timing issues on usart
2015-12-10T21:44:17 < Rob235> the problem is a device should be running at 100 kHz and I have to set it to 106 kHz to read correctly
2015-12-10T21:46:41 < PaulFertser> Rob235: capture it with maximum resolution and see if it's really your device having wrong freq or not.
2015-12-10T21:52:24 < Rob235> I don't know what I'm looking for.  What is the clock supposed to be? I know it depends on my clock setup but what clock(s) do I check? what is the usart clock based on?
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2015-12-10T22:11:54 < PaulFertser> Rob235: you're looking for the length of start bit. It should match the baud rate exactly. If it doesn't it means either your system clock source is wrong or the configuration is wrong.
2015-12-10T22:16:25 < Rob235> and if I'm using mco to output pll clock (I want system at 168MHz) and div_5 then I should see a 33.6 MHz signal? My logic analyzer isn't that fast, just want to understand what I'm looking at. I think I found the problem though.
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2015-12-10T22:25:00 < upgrdman> lolol  https://49.media.tumblr.com/24140038e71f94d36a7c692ca71c6789/tumblr_ncphs6tve41tv4atfo1_400.gif
2015-12-10T22:27:07 < Steffanx> nasty upgrdman.
2015-12-10T22:27:38 < upgrdman> you know you want to do that to at least one person (other than me)
2015-12-10T22:29:47 < Steffanx> nah, no not really.
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2015-12-10T22:40:46 < Rob235> sweet, clocks fixed :)
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2015-12-10T23:06:48 < PaulFertser> Rob235: so what was the issue?
2015-12-10T23:07:31 < Rob235> I don't know why but the default value (HSE_Value) for the external clock was set to 25 MHz instead of 8
2015-12-10T23:24:41 < upgrdman> is it a bad idea to buy a refurb monitor from amazon? tempted to get this  http://www.amazon.com/Dell-UP2414Q-Widescreen-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B015B54GNU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1449782536&sr=8-3&keywords=UP2414Q
2015-12-10T23:30:44 < Laurenceb> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/pisg.html
2015-12-10T23:30:52 < Laurenceb> dongs also makes sailors blush, 1.9% of the time.
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2015-12-10T23:45:15 < zyp> «LaurenceB talks to him/herself a lot.»
2015-12-10T23:45:27 < ehsanv1> hi, is there any free embedded gui ?
2015-12-10T23:45:45 < zyp> ask Tectu
2015-12-10T23:45:51 < zyp> when he shows up
2015-12-10T23:45:58 < ehsanv1> zyp: ok
2015-12-10T23:47:14 < ehsanv1> zyp: i searched tectu and found uGFX, thanks lol
2015-12-10T23:48:24 < ehsanv1> 17min for a 7.3MB file download :|
2015-12-10T23:48:43 < zyp> download faster
2015-12-10T23:49:13 < ehsanv1> zyp: internet of iran is not internet, it's a joke!
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2015-12-11T01:21:28 < upgrdman_> yay. my surface bro 4 and dell 4k monitor are on their way to me.
2015-12-11T01:24:08 < scummos> surface bro xD
2015-12-11T01:24:15 < upgrdman_> yes
2015-12-11T01:24:21 < upgrdman_> with cocking station too
2015-12-11T01:24:59 < scummos> this channel is relentless
2015-12-11T01:34:21 < mitrax> upgrdman_: and a crotch cover 2 as well?
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2015-12-11T01:38:13 < mitrax> crazy that at such a high price you have to buy the keyboard separately
2015-12-11T01:38:32 < upgrdman_> mitrax, ya i figured why not
2015-12-11T01:38:57 < upgrdman_> and they gave me a 10% discount on all of it (except the monitor) since im a student (for like 3 more days im a student ;) )
2015-12-11T01:39:04 < mitrax> neat
2015-12-11T01:40:25 < mitrax> what hdd / cpu combo did you end up buying?
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2015-12-11T01:40:35 < upgrdman_> i7 16gb 512gb
2015-12-11T01:41:03 < mitrax> how much is that? $2.2k or something?
2015-12-11T01:41:45 < upgrdman_> 1980 after edu discount
2015-12-11T01:41:56 < upgrdman_> but ya, 2200 regular
2015-12-11T01:42:37 < upgrdman_> and i'll ebay my fagbook pro, which based on recent auctions should sell for around $1400 - $1600
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2015-12-11T01:45:30 < karlp> been playing a bit with my sisters surface 3, much better than I expected it to be :)
2015-12-11T01:46:43 < upgrdman_> ya one of my friends has a pro 3 and it kinda made me consider the pro 4
2015-12-11T01:47:47 < upgrdman_> and the tablet pc thing will be super useful when working overseas. i can bring a super light pc with me, and just use a monitor/keyboard/mouse at work.
2015-12-11T01:48:02 < upgrdman_> i used my 15" macbook for that, and working on a 15" screen sucks ass
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2015-12-11T02:12:22 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-12-11T02:24:39 < upgrdman_> dongs, did you get your 12" laptop yet? like it?
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2015-12-11T02:35:49 < Laurenceb> scummos: then you'd like this https://imgur.com/a/KwOrn
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2015-12-11T02:45:45 < Getty> lol the Deutsche Bahn, the german train company, is now using a special paint/finish for a testwall at some trainstation that actually "reflects" your pissing back to your feet
2015-12-11T02:46:39 < Getty> they added a huge warning sign "dont piss on the wall! the wall pisses back!"
2015-12-11T02:47:54 < upgrdman_> hasnt that paint been around for years?
2015-12-11T02:48:03 < upgrdman_> i remember hearing about that back in the late 90's
2015-12-11T02:48:24 < upgrdman_> that and also paint that never quite dries, so if you try to climb over or grab the thing, you slip off
2015-12-11T02:48:33 < Getty> it feels in thearticle that its kind of new paint specific made to reflect back and not only prevent that the piss stays on the wall
2015-12-11T02:48:54 < Getty> i never heard of it before, i just actually know the corner where they test it
2015-12-11T02:49:08 < upgrdman_> did you confirm that it works?
2015-12-11T02:49:35 < Getty> i am not near it ;)
2015-12-11T02:49:52 < Getty> and i wouldnt take out my penis there as its like literally around from the cops, no idea why its still the most pissed on wall in germany ;)
2015-12-11T02:50:19 < upgrdman_> surely they enjoy seeing a nice sausage?
2015-12-11T02:51:42 < Laurenceb> latest thing in the UK is "smart water"
2015-12-11T02:51:56 < upgrdman_> the brand of bottled water?
2015-12-11T02:52:06 < Laurenceb> no, tagged water
2015-12-11T02:52:06 < Getty> upgrdman_: if you are good at something, never do it for free
2015-12-11T02:52:16 < upgrdman_> Getty, good point
2015-12-11T02:52:24 < Laurenceb> or rather, grease
2015-12-11T02:52:36 < Laurenceb> http://www.smartwater.com/
2015-12-11T02:53:24 < upgrdman_> heh i was thinking of this: http://www.drinksmartwater.com/
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2015-12-11T02:53:39 < upgrdman_> its just overpriced bottled water
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2015-12-11T03:15:34 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/MEnQqcd.gifv
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2015-12-11T03:43:06 < upgrdman_> any dosbox pros in here?
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2015-12-11T04:17:17 < Getty> i ate all the biscuit someone made for me... now i am depressed
2015-12-11T04:17:28 < Getty> cause there is none anymore
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2015-12-11T04:23:02 < upgrdman> biscuits
2015-12-11T04:23:21 < Getty> dont know if that is the right word, i mean those standard xmas things everyone makes
2015-12-11T04:23:21 < upgrdman> just bake some more. they come in tubes from the grocerie store ;)
2015-12-11T04:23:24 < Getty> those simple ones
2015-12-11T04:23:36 < Getty> well always best ones if made with love........... from someone else
2015-12-11T04:23:51 < Getty> yeah actually, remove the love, "someone else" is the relevant element
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2015-12-11T04:31:29 < upgrdman> dongs, sorry to keep asking, but which dell monitor do you have again?
2015-12-11T04:34:23 < dongs> UP2414Q
2015-12-11T04:34:30 < dongs> and P2415Q
2015-12-11T04:35:02 < dongs> 2414 is discutoninued i think but you cna still get them. thats the one with amazecolors but MST/buggy DP
2015-12-11T04:35:11 < dongs> 2415 is white led baclight, so colors are meh, but  cheaper.
2015-12-11T04:35:31 < upgrdman> how is the dp buggy?
2015-12-11T04:35:45 < dongs> the 'not waking up from suspend" part.
2015-12-11T04:35:52 < dongs> and have to powercycle
2015-12-11T04:35:55 < dongs> and thus losing all window positions tec.
2015-12-11T04:35:56 < dongs> etc
2015-12-11T04:36:59 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-11T04:37:01 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Apem/12159X778/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduiD7Jhi9%2fQRtt9y9gblFNUvcp28awqGxmk%3d
2015-12-11T04:37:05 < dongs> . . . . . . . . . . . . .
2015-12-11T04:37:37 < upgrdman> i bought a up2414q for $444. should have it in a couple days.
2015-12-11T04:37:44 < dongs> excellent
2015-12-11T04:39:57 < GargantuaSauce> audiophile quality toggle switch
2015-12-11T04:40:09 < upgrdman> how are the blacks on the up2414q? like on my fagbook pro, black is almost indistinguishable from lcd being off.
2015-12-11T04:45:41 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/6GVI1Zs.jpg
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2015-12-11T04:59:04 < upgrdman> doom4?
2015-12-11T04:59:11 < upgrdman> or are we past 4 now?
2015-12-11T05:00:43 < ReadError> spoiler: it can only be played on dongulusRIFT
2015-12-11T05:04:50 < dongs> doom trash more like
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2015-12-11T05:43:11 < upgrdman> R2COM, dongs, http://gfycat.com/ScratchyKindheartedHoiho
2015-12-11T05:49:55 < dongs> fucking ddr3 vendors
2015-12-11T05:50:01 < dongs> pinout: same
2015-12-11T05:50:08 < dongs> outer chip dimensions: all fucking different
2015-12-11T05:50:16 < dongs> from 8x12 to 9x13.3
2015-12-11T05:50:20 < dongs> there's liek 4 different sizes in ebtween
2015-12-11T05:51:28 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/rdGXk1W.gifv
2015-12-11T05:51:52 < dongs> sounds safe
2015-12-11T05:52:16 < upgrdman> dongs, isn't the die usually much smaller than the package? why so many variations in package size?
2015-12-11T05:52:30 < dongs> who knows
2015-12-11T05:52:37 < dongs> it is weird
2015-12-11T06:05:39 < dongs> samsung is teh weiredest
2015-12-11T06:05:45 < dongs> 7.5x13.3
2015-12-11T06:18:13 < Rob235> damn.  why can't I find a decent program to create a dashboard with charts from serial data
2015-12-11T06:18:51 < Rob235> i dont know, I'm looking for one.  I was trying to use excel but couldn't get comm32 to work
2015-12-11T06:18:58 < ReadError> look at some google chrome shit
2015-12-11T06:19:06 < ReadError> baseflight configurator maybe
2015-12-11T06:19:11 < ReadError> or cleanflight thing
2015-12-11T06:19:16 < ReadError> reads serial, plots stuff
2015-12-11T06:19:56 < Rob235> oh and dongs, the usart clock problem was because the default value for the external clock (HSE_Value) was 25 mhz not 8, changed it and now it works
2015-12-11T06:20:05 < Rob235> oh yea? i'll check it out thanks
2015-12-11T06:20:08 < dongs> uhhh
2015-12-11T06:22:47 < ReadError> called good money
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2015-12-11T06:36:50 < upgrdman> dongs, this wtf rc radio:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFX7PsoAh9I
2015-12-11T06:38:03 < dongs> ya no idea, its eurotrash style
2015-12-11T06:40:19 < dongs> its opensores
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2015-12-11T06:40:23 < dongs> the firmware
2015-12-11T06:40:25 < dongs> so you can do wahtever
2015-12-11T06:40:33 < dongs> but they're still using retarded b&w lcd
2015-12-11T06:40:35 < dongs> in 2015 Q4
2015-12-11T06:40:36 < dongs> fuck off
2015-12-11T06:41:49 < dongs> oh wtf
2015-12-11T06:41:54 < dongs> telemetry screen is color 7seg
2015-12-11T06:41:58 < dongs> such waste
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2015-12-11T06:43:12 < dongs> yeah sure
2015-12-11T06:43:16 < dongs> not sure why you'd want to
2015-12-11T06:52:53 < englishman> upgrdman: p2415q is garbage dont buy it
2015-12-11T06:53:03 < englishman> when you turn it off, itfucking de enumerates
2015-12-11T06:53:10 < englishman> so your desktops move around
2015-12-11T06:53:18 < englishman> and it turns off the usb hub so your shit disconnects
2015-12-11T06:53:29 < upgrdman> ya i got the up2414q
2015-12-11T06:53:43 < englishman> that one has the msp issue doesntit
2015-12-11T06:53:51 < upgrdman> i think so
2015-12-11T06:53:52 < upgrdman> but
2015-12-11T06:53:59 < upgrdman> i wants 24" 4k. not many options.
2015-12-11T06:54:12 < upgrdman> frankly, i want 20" 4k, but no one makes that
2015-12-11T06:54:18 < englishman> not many options for cheaop fucks
2015-12-11T06:54:27 < upgrdman> price wasnt the issue
2015-12-11T06:54:30 < upgrdman> i want pixel density
2015-12-11T06:54:40 < englishman> then get ipad screen
2015-12-11T06:54:41 < upgrdman> if i have a 32" monitor, it better be 8k
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2015-12-11T07:12:17 < upgrdman> and
2015-12-11T07:12:41 < upgrdman> wrong
2015-12-11T07:12:49 < upgrdman> get you eyes fixed
2015-12-11T07:13:56 < upgrdman> 55" is good for multimedia
2015-12-11T07:14:12 < upgrdman> 24" is good for computing
2015-12-11T07:14:55 < upgrdman> i suppose for gaming 27-32" would be nice
2015-12-11T07:15:07 < upgrdman> so you can emmerse your dick in the gameplay
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2015-12-11T07:25:44 < upgrdman> 17" 8k? fucking japs
2015-12-11T07:33:09 < dongs> god waht a retarded article
2015-12-11T07:33:14 < dongs> why are they talking about HDMI and shit
2015-12-11T07:33:23 < upgrdman> R2COM, if you like 27", stay with 27"
2015-12-11T07:33:39 < upgrdman> i dont like to see individual pixels. that's just me.
2015-12-11T07:35:06 < dongs> individual dixels
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2015-12-11T07:36:48 < dongs> does mouser have a fucking parametric search
2015-12-11T07:36:54 < dongs> their site is so retarded to use
2015-12-11T07:37:08 < dongs> if I wanna find minidp connectors on tehre
2015-12-11T07:37:38 < dongs> lol! hm maybe i should look for thunderport
2015-12-11T07:37:40 < dongs> or wahtever
2015-12-11T07:37:41 < dongs> bolt
2015-12-11T07:39:43 < dongs> doesnt help if they dont have anythign
2015-12-11T07:41:18 < jpa-> http://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/18759/pushing-with-p-p-does-not-work-for-me   emacs users like to push with their pee-pee?
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2015-12-11T07:54:10 < dongs> who teh fuck makes displayport mini connectors?!
2015-12-11T07:54:17 < dongs> I can only find legit JAE
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2015-12-11T07:58:40 < upgrdman> dongs, http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=displayport&channel=products&chanName=family&pageTitle=Introduction          ?
2015-12-11T08:01:26 < dongs> none of those are mini
2015-12-11T08:01:37 < dongs> im not that dum
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2015-12-11T08:11:37 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1u4K8ae.png
2015-12-11T08:11:39 < dongs> fucking cunts
2015-12-11T08:11:46 < dongs> lets not write dimension for those 2 bottom oval holes!11
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2015-12-11T08:15:19 < dongs> http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/sd/1050810001_sd.pdf ..............................
2015-12-11T08:15:34 < dongs> why does molex not have these fuckign things listed on search...
2015-12-11T08:15:44 < dongs> also lol its all through-hole, fuck
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2015-12-11T09:09:35 < dongs> ups innovations finally arrived
2015-12-11T09:09:53 < dongs> like 2.5 weeks
2015-12-11T09:09:59 < dongs> death to usa
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2015-12-11T09:38:42 < ReadError> @#$@#
2015-12-11T09:38:48 < ReadError> camtastic is such a piece of shit
2015-12-11T09:40:07 < dongs> why use it
2015-12-11T09:40:13 < dongs> i dont think anyone actually does
2015-12-11T09:40:22 < dongs> first thing I do when geerbers are generated is close that shit
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2015-12-11T09:41:20 < ReadError> well, for some reason when i copypasted a board into this 'panel'
2015-12-11T09:41:30 < ReadError> all my soldermask expansion stuff disappeared
2015-12-11T09:42:06 < ReadError> maybe will try to find the offsets and use panelization feature
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2015-12-11T09:45:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/oq1XpoD.jpg RIP japan
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2015-12-11T09:50:09 < ReadError> oh nice got it figured out, fuck camtastic
2015-12-11T09:50:38 < Rob235> anyone familiar with matlab? why does calling bar() in a function not open a window but works if I do it from the command window
2015-12-11T09:50:49 < ReadError> you want Laurenceb_
2015-12-11T09:55:38 < PeterM> this just in CloneError declares a Jihad on Camspastic
2015-12-11T09:56:49 < ReadError> yes, I will recruit fellow warriors of god until that is fixed, and solidworks style math is integrated
2015-12-11T10:03:18 < PeterM> YOU WEILL BE INTEGRATED, YOUR AREA UNDER THE CURVE WILL BE CALCULATED
2015-12-11T10:05:36 < ReadError> i dont need mathed splines etc
2015-12-11T10:05:50 < ReadError> but being able to put something in and /2 is useful
2015-12-11T10:09:24 < PeterM> or x + 0.5*x
2015-12-11T10:11:59 < ReadError> maybe eevblog dave will voice our concerns and they will be added in 24hrs
2015-12-11T10:12:37 < PeterM> nah too busy blogging to innovate
2015-12-11T10:14:53 < ReadError> he just has to bitch about it and the mfg will get tired of hearing his voice and do it
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2015-12-11T10:45:02 < dongs> did you know? VESA even has this covered http://i.imgur.com/0QsJVUI.png
2015-12-11T10:49:31 < jpa-> they've learned
2015-12-11T10:49:58 < jpa-> otherwise some manufacturer makes a wide cable end and other makes pcb with closely spaced connectors
2015-12-11T10:50:04 < jpa-> of course, they'll do it anyway.
2015-12-11T10:50:28 < celeron55> looks like there are basically two cards like that available; one from nvidia and one from amd :P
2015-12-11T10:50:49 < dongs> yep, i have them both
2015-12-11T10:50:59 < dongs> 3 actually if you count 2 differnt ones bt NV
2015-12-11T10:51:00 < dongs> by
2015-12-11T10:51:27 < PeterM> WTB nVidia equivilent of AMD Eyefinity6 card
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2015-12-11T10:54:36 < dongs> PeterM: there was a recently released one for video walls
2015-12-11T10:54:49 < dongs> some new NVS i think
2015-12-11T10:55:21 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-11T10:55:22 < dongs> NVS810
2015-12-11T10:55:39 < dongs> http://www.anandtech.com/show/9760/nvidia-launches-nvs-810-digital-signage-video-card
2015-12-11T10:56:01 < dongs> fail @ 4k60p tho
2015-12-11T10:56:03 < dongs> wtf
2015-12-11T10:56:03 < celeron55> lol
2015-12-11T10:56:23 < dongs> even GAYMD can do 4x60p with W4100
2015-12-11T10:56:44 < dongs> also: pro BGA'ing http://i.imgur.com/eL59vAK.png
2015-12-11T10:59:25 < PeterM> but does it support nVidia surround (so it "appears" as one monitor)
2015-12-11T10:59:29 < dongs> yes
2015-12-11T10:59:32 < dongs> all quadros/nvs do
2015-12-11T10:59:39 < dongs> the mosaic thing
2015-12-11T10:59:52 < PeterM> noice
2015-12-11T11:01:37 < mitrax> hmm nice
2015-12-11T11:02:44 < dongs> i duno if I would want all my monitors as a single "screen" tho
2015-12-11T11:02:48 < dongs> maximizing apps would suck dick
2015-12-11T11:03:03 < dongs> as they would just spread all over :)
2015-12-11T11:03:04 < celeron55> that's a matter of a good windowing system i guess
2015-12-11T11:03:12 < celeron55> which windows does not have, of course
2015-12-11T11:03:21 < dongs> lunix doesnt even support multuiple monitors
2015-12-11T11:03:27 < dongs> so you cant be talking about that
2015-12-11T11:03:45 < celeron55> well it really won't work on anything
2015-12-11T11:07:08 < dongs> ?
2015-12-11T11:07:15 < dongs> what wont
2015-12-11T11:08:54 < celeron55> a multi-monitor desktop because all operating systems mostly just suck
2015-12-11T11:09:16 < celeron55> as a single screen, that is
2015-12-11T11:11:45 < dongs> right
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2015-12-11T11:45:42 < scummos> Laurenceb_: I love it :D
2015-12-11T11:47:56 < scummos> good 1984 reference
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2015-12-11T12:13:36 < dongs> is that some radhard
2015-12-11T12:13:43 < bloated> strange 3 wire bus/connector
2015-12-11T12:13:53 < bloated> its a d-wave cpu
2015-12-11T12:14:25 < dongs> quantum more like quandumb
2015-12-11T12:14:51 < bloated> i found the traces on the pcb very intriguing
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2015-12-11T12:19:29 < ReadError> cool you can see the bonding wires
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2015-12-11T12:25:14 < dongs> http://www.dwavesys.com/tutorials/background-reading-series/introduction-d-wave-quantum-hardware haha
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2015-12-11T13:43:08 < dongs> zyp is super excited. AKB48 is branching off into Mexico with MEX48. https://youtu.be/zHvIyvTWnk0?t=2m32s
2015-12-11T13:54:41 < zyp> heh
2015-12-11T13:57:35 < dongs> heh, ipad mini layout is way simpler with minidp
2015-12-11T13:58:41 < zyp> didn't you say that before?
2015-12-11T13:58:49 < zyp> way simpler, but connector is pain?
2015-12-11T13:58:56 < zyp> due to mixed dip/smt
2015-12-11T13:59:15 < dongs> well, there are no smt-only for minidp
2015-12-11T13:59:18 < dongs> so that i'll have to deal with
2015-12-11T13:59:29 < dongs> but last one i looked at was some shitty kind with square pads, not staggered
2015-12-11T13:59:40 < dongs> so the lanes wouldnt flow very well
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2015-12-11T15:34:36 < dongs> http://fourhourworkweek.com/2010/05/01/credit-card-concierge/
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2015-12-11T15:38:33 < ^DEMOSS^> Hi all! Russia privet )
2015-12-11T15:45:44 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/m8jQDhu.jpg
2015-12-11T15:46:01 < PaulFertser> ^DEMOSS^: got an ak-47?
2015-12-11T15:46:11 < dongs> 4 starwars dudes are in japan right nwo
2015-12-11T15:47:10 < ^DEMOSS^> PaulFertser: no )) stm32f103c8t6 ))
2015-12-11T15:47:37 < ^DEMOSS^> mega 2650+vshield v2.0
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2015-12-11T15:47:47 < ^DEMOSS^> pro mini
2015-12-11T15:48:04 < dongs> C8 is kinda ghetto
2015-12-11T15:48:09 < dongs> but you can HACK IT to have 128k flash
2015-12-11T15:49:30 < zyp> heh
2015-12-11T15:50:08 < zyp> dongs, so what was the verdict on i2c shits? did you end up with something working stable without overclocking?
2015-12-11T15:50:13 < dongs> yes!
2015-12-11T15:50:19 < zyp> nice
2015-12-11T15:50:20 < dongs> im changing some things in hardware and i will use it
2015-12-11T15:50:25 < dongs> i think its pretty good at 72 after inlining
2015-12-11T15:51:33 < dongs> lewl
2015-12-11T15:51:39 < dongs> blackguy: i went to akiba and bought a lot of COOL STUFF
2015-12-11T15:52:21 < zyp> COOL STUFF being nude figures?
2015-12-11T15:52:26 < dongs> hopefully
2015-12-11T15:52:30 < ^DEMOSS^> can anybody help me to chandge Chip to development, education , and production ? i wanna use it with lcd+some *RAM and EMMC
2015-12-11T15:52:32 < dongs> the translator had to quickly verify something wiht him
2015-12-11T15:52:34 < dongs> before translating
2015-12-11T15:52:48 < ^DEMOSS^> lqfp 144
2015-12-11T15:52:57 < dongs> emmc eh
2015-12-11T15:53:17 < dongs> can that run in some sdio-compatible mode?
2015-12-11T15:53:21 < zyp> yes
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2015-12-11T15:53:38 < zyp> I think sdio periph can do 8-bit emmc
2015-12-11T15:53:45 < dongs> nice
2015-12-11T15:54:11 < zyp> check RM before quoting me on that though
2015-12-11T15:54:16 < ^DEMOSS^> what memory are most butifull and lowcost to use with stm32f2\f4 ?
2015-12-11T15:54:32 < zyp> butifull?
2015-12-11T15:54:40 < dongs> beautiful lcd?
2015-12-11T15:54:52 < ^DEMOSS^> sorry, my english is bad. along time do not have a practice
2015-12-11T15:55:09 < dongs> STM32F407VG will be cheapest
2015-12-11T15:55:13 < zyp> f2/f40x can't do sdram
2015-12-11T15:55:15 < dongs> if you  go to production and use real sources.
2015-12-11T15:55:24 < ^DEMOSS^> memory easy to use and have normal speed
2015-12-11T15:55:29 < zyp> f42 can, but rather look into f7
2015-12-11T15:55:54 < zyp> f7 has cpu cache, so it's the only one that wouldn't have a big speed penalty using sdram
2015-12-11T15:55:55 < ^DEMOSS^> f7 is 18 euro\chip
2015-12-11T15:56:08 < ^DEMOSS^> i need some low cost chips
2015-12-11T15:56:17 < dongs> what do you need external ram for
2015-12-11T15:56:18 < zyp> what's your project?
2015-12-11T15:57:06 < ^DEMOSS^> realtime collector of data \ controller for car \ electric car
2015-12-11T15:57:29 < ^DEMOSS^> header = android device
2015-12-11T15:58:04 < ^DEMOSS^> primary device = android device
2015-12-11T15:58:38 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSg9rjngTI8&feature=youtu.be
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2015-12-11T16:04:06 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fgWMu8gFsE&feature=youtu.be
2015-12-11T16:05:51 < Laurenceb> so much lulz today
2015-12-11T16:05:53 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV8ycXGUwAAKB4c.png
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2015-12-11T16:10:11 < ReadError> lol fucking lunix mint
2015-12-11T16:10:18 < ReadError> they completely removed google as a search option
2015-12-11T16:10:24 < ReadError> and there is no way to add it
2015-12-11T16:10:33 < jpa-> add to what?
2015-12-11T16:10:35 < zyp> haha, what do they ship with?
2015-12-11T16:10:39 < zyp> bing?
2015-12-11T16:10:49 < jpa-> can't you add custom search engine to pretty much any browser now?
2015-12-11T16:10:53 < dongs> i'd guess duckduckgo
2015-12-11T16:11:05 < zyp> dongs, I would too, but that wouldn't be as fun
2015-12-11T16:11:09 < dongs> or some other "resects your freedom" garbage
2015-12-11T16:11:28 < ReadError> default is yahoo
2015-12-11T16:11:40 < ReadError> reason is, they get $$$
2015-12-11T16:12:12 < ReadError> http://www.linuxmint.com/searchengines.php
2015-12-11T16:12:32 < Laurenceb> wtf how is that possible
2015-12-11T16:12:54 < ReadError> you can add it, but its still retarded
2015-12-11T16:14:53 < dongs> haha
2015-12-11T16:15:02 < dongs> "preserves your privacy" is actually a fucking column in the list.
2015-12-11T16:17:00 < zyp> Will Google be included by default in future releases of Linux Mint?
2015-12-11T16:17:01 < zyp> Yes, eventually all search engines will share the revenue our users generate for them and be included by default in Linux Mint. The process just takes time.
2015-12-11T16:17:04 < zyp> hahaha
2015-12-11T16:17:11 < zyp> "yes, eventually they will give us money"
2015-12-11T16:17:32 < zyp> assholes
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2015-12-11T16:21:12 < ReadError> http://www.linuxmint.com/searchengines/google.ico
2015-12-11T16:21:18 < ReadError> gotta love the icon to add it
2015-12-11T16:21:25 < ReadError> could they have made it any smaller
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2015-12-11T16:26:31 < kakimir> what are you doings?
2015-12-11T16:30:03 < ReadError> setting up this plotter printer thing
2015-12-11T16:30:16 < ReadError> and didnt want to deal with the retarded windows stuff
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2015-12-11T16:33:44 < dongs> cool
2015-12-11T16:34:01 < dongs> looks liek my fps1000 got upgraded to the highest end 4k version
2015-12-11T16:34:05 < dongs> whenever that actually ships
2015-12-11T16:34:16 < zyp> ReadError, good thing you get to deal with retarded linux stuff instead
2015-12-11T16:34:22 < dongs> the other guy didnt want his anymore cuz he got iphone6s which takes 240fps, so he just upgraded mine to top of hte line
2015-12-11T16:36:23 < zyp> <insert joke about needing a high speed camera to shoot porn>
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2015-12-11T16:38:19 < Getty> yeah sure, take a game of thrones star into the next marvel, cause that mixes SOOO GOOD......... <facepalm>
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2015-12-11T16:45:27 < ReadError> zyp i dont mind lunix
2015-12-11T16:45:38 < ReadError> i just dont like how they are trying to play some SJW OS crap
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2015-12-11T16:48:55 < zyp> there's so many bullshit distros
2015-12-11T16:49:02 < zyp> like, ubuntu is debian+bullshit
2015-12-11T16:49:10 < zyp> mint is ubuntu+more bullshit
2015-12-11T16:49:53 < dongs> lunix for niggers
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2015-12-11T16:53:21 < englishman> best distro
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2015-12-11T17:02:51 < ReadError> maybe bill gates will sponsor you and you can work on that full time!
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2015-12-11T17:12:01 < Getty> is anyone else here btw working with his dad together on electronic projects?
2015-12-11T17:12:27 < Sync> dongs: send the fps1000 to me when it ships
2015-12-11T17:12:30 < Sync> I can actually use it
2015-12-11T17:12:57 < Getty> some discussions with him are really awkward..... its like he cant get away that i am his son, but he realizes at the same time that i am far beyond his knowledge on some specific areas.... that confuses him i think ;)
2015-12-11T17:14:11 < dongs> sync, wat makes you think i cant use it? :)
2015-12-11T17:14:23 < Sync> you are too pro for it
2015-12-11T17:14:38 < dongs> more like the other way around
2015-12-11T17:15:03 < zyp> Getty, my father is an electrician and does some electronic repair from time to time, he's called me up for advice a couple of times
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2015-12-11T17:15:31 < Getty> zyp: wow.... my dad asking for advice..... that sounds like a story out of a fairy tale book
2015-12-11T17:16:04 < dongs> mine is some licensed electrician too, but he dont give a fuck about wat i do
2015-12-11T17:16:40 < dongs> his knowledge of electronics probly ends at multimeter or somethign
2015-12-11T17:16:43 < zyp> dongs, mine doesn't either, digital electronics is way outside his interests
2015-12-11T17:16:59 < Getty> we just had for example the eagle<=>kicad discussions
2015-12-11T17:17:04 < dongs> wut
2015-12-11T17:17:07 < dongs> you trollen
2015-12-11T17:17:12 < zyp> he's toying around with stuff like analog guitar amps and shit mostly
2015-12-11T17:17:34 < Getty> he told me big stories about how he conquered the eagle stuff to get out in the end some part list that can be used on the p&p
2015-12-11T17:17:40 < dongs> BoA is in japan too
2015-12-11T17:17:56 < dongs> whats with all these musicfags showing up here lately
2015-12-11T17:17:57 < Getty> and i was like mentioning that we have converter from everything to everything, pointing out the eagle 2 kicad stuff and so on
2015-12-11T17:18:01 < zyp> last time he called me about electronics, he asked about finding a suitable replacement for a transistor and where to buy it
2015-12-11T17:18:01 < dongs> bieber, now boa
2015-12-11T17:18:18 < Getty> and he was like going rolleyes again, not believing that software can convert proper ;)
2015-12-11T17:18:22 < zyp> so I suggested something with similar specs from digikey
2015-12-11T17:18:37 < Getty> its just weird how he likes to bend himself into "required to exist" ;)
2015-12-11T17:18:44 < Laurenceb> bieber semiconductors?
2015-12-11T17:19:02 < dongs> i dont trust conversion of shit either
2015-12-11T17:19:06 < dongs> especially opensores trash like kikecad
2015-12-11T17:19:07 < zyp> me neither
2015-12-11T17:19:22 < Getty> dongs: i can understand, but at least you would give it a chance if you encounter a problem
2015-12-11T17:19:26 < zyp> conversion shit pretty much always lose details or fuck up shit
2015-12-11T17:19:46 < zyp> or you end up with stuff that doesn't fit the usual style of the target
2015-12-11T17:19:54 < Getty> my dad like specific went around imagining kicad as any part of the solution
2015-12-11T17:19:54 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGBhQbmPwH8 music time
2015-12-11T17:20:05 < zyp> I would too
2015-12-11T17:20:14 < dongs> who the fuck seriously uses kikecad anyway
2015-12-11T17:20:19 < Laurenceb> the jew
2015-12-11T17:20:21 < Getty> hehehe
2015-12-11T17:20:45 < Getty> well in this case here of getting data out it might be a good point for the conversion and data abstraction
2015-12-11T17:20:49 < kakimir> o/
2015-12-11T17:20:58 < Getty> it would be at least a way worth trying in compare to fixing yourself to all other solutions only
2015-12-11T17:21:09 < Getty> if then comes out "yeah that is all crap" then we at least KNOW its all total crap
2015-12-11T17:21:11 < kakimir> are you afraid of kikecad becoming even better?
2015-12-11T17:21:33 < zyp> I'm glad I get to work with proper tools
2015-12-11T17:21:45 < Getty> i just hate this path of him to solid ignore most of opensource even tho he understands already that opensource/C and all the world i was in, is much better as what he does
2015-12-11T17:22:00 < dongs> err thats subjective
2015-12-11T17:22:10 < dongs> whats "better" is waht gets the job done wiht minimal effort
2015-12-11T17:22:10 < Getty> yeah but he said it specific for his case
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2015-12-11T17:22:28 < dongs> i'm sure some wanker can layout 8 layer board with tons of shit on it in kikecad
2015-12-11T17:22:31 < zyp> I showed up at $newemployer this monday, guy was all "so I set up a computer for you and installed altium, so it's ready to go"
2015-12-11T17:22:48 < Getty> he should have made the metal detection line in C and not in Borland Pascal on Windows and BASCOM on the chips
2015-12-11T17:22:55 < dongs> youre getting a new job?
2015-12-11T17:23:07 < zyp> ya, started monday
2015-12-11T17:23:25 < Getty> dongs: i think you would agree that Borland+BASCOM is no real good team for electronic projects with software, or? ;)
2015-12-11T17:23:32 < kakimir> pricing of commercial tools is just ridiculous
2015-12-11T17:23:42 < dongs> Getty: i know a guy who writes shit in bascom and I bet he makes more $ htan you do
2015-12-11T17:23:44 < zyp> they still haven't given me a license login, but so far I've just been looking at old schematics, figuring out what to change for next revision which they're having me make
2015-12-11T17:23:52 < Getty> kakimir: technical its always worth it..... it sounds ridiculous but given the time you spare its p.d. always worth it
2015-12-11T17:23:56 < dongs> and achieves shit he needs done quicker
2015-12-11T17:24:11 < dongs> than if he'd go learn C or osmethign
2015-12-11T17:24:12 < Getty> dongs: yeah but the $ you make has nothing todo with your tools
2015-12-11T17:24:15 < Getty> you should know this
2015-12-11T17:24:46 < dongs> im just saying
2015-12-11T17:24:55 < zyp> Getty, the $ you make depends on the end result
2015-12-11T17:25:01 < dongs> hes using the right (because he knows it, may not necesasrily be beacuse its THE right) tool for the job to get the job done.
2015-12-11T17:25:05 < zyp> how fast you get to that end result depends on your tools
2015-12-11T17:25:11 < dongs> ^
2015-12-11T17:25:11 < Getty> zyp: the $ you make depends on who you know and get to convince to hire you
2015-12-11T17:25:14 < Sync> or if you can get it at all
2015-12-11T17:25:47 < Getty> zyp: what contracts you get, what marketing you do
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2015-12-11T17:25:52 < Getty> zyp: that is all..... what makes the $
2015-12-11T17:25:59 < Getty> how you actually do things.................. noone gives a shit
2015-12-11T17:25:59 < zyp> sure
2015-12-11T17:26:17 < dongs> Getty: precisely, which is why the guy wiht bascom is still winning
2015-12-11T17:26:24 < zyp> Getty, but how do you spend the $? lots of hours fighting with shitty tools, or expensive tools and less hours?
2015-12-11T17:26:25 < Getty> thats why those arguments "but he makes money with XYZ" are so.... pointless in my eyes
2015-12-11T17:26:37 < Getty> zyp: that is subjective, we never know
2015-12-11T17:26:47 < dongs> but you'd spend time figuring out bugs in OpenBASIC instead of using bascom, instead of getting work done
2015-12-11T17:26:49 < Getty> zyp: people compensate and dont make big compares all day to say if it was better so or so
2015-12-11T17:26:49 < zyp> bullshit
2015-12-11T17:27:02 < Getty> i know toopics where commercial tools are for sure surpreme and should be used
2015-12-11T17:27:05 < kakimir> why should I pay thousands if kikecad is enough for simple low speed applications
2015-12-11T17:27:15 < Getty> and there are areas where the commercial tools are just pure garbage even for the specific job they do
2015-12-11T17:27:22 < dongs> i dont think kikecad is usable for any applications
2015-12-11T17:27:23 < kakimir> and efficient enought
2015-12-11T17:27:25 < dongs> the workflow is awful
2015-12-11T17:27:34 < kakimir> try eagle
2015-12-11T17:27:40 < dongs> i did, twice. never again
2015-12-11T17:27:40 < Getty> thats the commercial line ;)
2015-12-11T17:27:48 < zyp> I haven't used kicad, but I imagine it might be about on-par with eagle nowadays
2015-12-11T17:27:53 < zyp> if that good
2015-12-11T17:28:07 < Getty> so.. yeah its always the question of the moment, there are no GENERAL rules
2015-12-11T17:28:14 < Getty> commercial can suck, commercial can be heaven
2015-12-11T17:28:19 < zyp> I've used eagle and used to be pretty happy with it, but I wouldn't go back to it after having used altium
2015-12-11T17:28:21 < Getty> opensource can suck, opensource can be heaven
2015-12-11T17:28:41 < kakimir> http://www2.futureware.at/~nickoe/kicad-downloads-mirror/windows/nightly/ there
2015-12-11T17:28:44 < Getty> good example here is encoding....... even tho some commercial encoder has some nice slicky interfaces, they all suck in making PRECISLY what you need
2015-12-11T17:28:52 < Getty> i mean video encoding, sorry ;)
2015-12-11T17:29:01 < Getty> dropping the word "encoding" in electronic channel is no good ;) hehe
2015-12-11T17:29:28 < kakimir> try nightly build for windows
2015-12-11T17:29:29 < mitrax> is altium still $2k per licence?
2015-12-11T17:29:38 < kakimir> dont worry it has installers and all
2015-12-11T17:30:00 < dongs> i dont want installers in opensores shit
2015-12-11T17:30:06 < dongs> that usually ends up stuffing my PC with garbage
2015-12-11T17:30:13 < dongs> i know opensores was never designed to run outside its own folder
2015-12-11T17:30:14 < dongs> so why installer
2015-12-11T17:30:21 < dongs> just unzip that shit and shift-del wuhen it sucks
2015-12-11T17:30:22 < Getty> lol
2015-12-11T17:30:34 < Getty> dongs: you really really hate opensource? ;)
2015-12-11T17:30:39 < dongs> but if you run their installer the'll stick thier crap in start menu/progrma files/etc
2015-12-11T17:30:52 < dongs> add a fucking uninstaller into c:\windows
2015-12-11T17:30:52 < dongs> ugh
2015-12-11T17:31:22 < dongs> microsoft acutally specified to NEVER add 'uninstall this' to start menu entries
2015-12-11T17:31:24 < dongs> since years ago
2015-12-11T17:31:32 < dongs> because there's a proper way to uninstall via control panel
2015-12-11T17:31:42 < dongs> yet opensores trash keeps doing it cuz its default in some sample NSIS scripts
2015-12-11T17:31:45 < kakimir> u homo. why you do it lunix way and have no software management
2015-12-11T17:31:49 < dongs> that nobody ever understansd/reads/and just makes stuff
2015-12-11T17:32:03 < dongs> kakimir: because garbage software management is precisely what these opensores installers are
2015-12-11T17:32:09 < Getty> you know whats the joke about opensource? you can make your own installer ;-) <run&hide>
2015-12-11T17:32:12 < dongs> just like *gasp* lunix "package management"
2015-12-11T17:32:21 < Getty> dongs-soft sounds like an awesome project!
2015-12-11T17:32:29 < dongs> except lunixfgts are willing to deal with it
2015-12-11T17:32:31 < Getty> "i make opensores good!"
2015-12-11T17:32:41 < dongs> personally i won't run any random install.exe outside vmware for opensores shit
2015-12-11T17:32:52 < dongs> if its .msi I know it can wipe itself, but any custom installer stuff wont
2015-12-11T17:33:39 < kakimir> okay you are all talking shit of kikecad and nobody has tried it but 4years ago once and never will try it again and still talk shit
2015-12-11T17:33:50 < dongs> that is true
2015-12-11T17:34:07 < kakimir> and still think it's the same than 4years ago
2015-12-11T17:34:14 < dongs> its not much better
2015-12-11T17:34:46 < dongs> 241megs for kikecad exe what the hell
2015-12-11T17:35:15 < gxti> probably just all the trash needed to make anything work on windoze amirite
2015-12-11T17:35:17 < dongs> are  they shipping the entire aidsfruit copypaste sparkfun library?
2015-12-11T17:35:42 < dongs> gxti: you mean all the terash thats needed to make shitty lunix porting job work on windows
2015-12-11T17:35:52 < dongs> cuz DirectX and shit doesnt exist
2015-12-11T17:35:57 < kakimir> theu prpably have whole linux in it
2015-12-11T17:36:03 < dongs> gotta use ancient garbage like opengl
2015-12-11T17:37:25 < trepidacious> I tried kicad, it was fine
2015-12-11T17:37:57 < dongs> hey do yall know wat tuba is
2015-12-11T17:38:18 < trepidacious> Setting it up was absolutely awful, to the point where I couldn't believe that anyone who knew anything could think it was a good idea. But then you use it for schematics and layout and it's kind of fine.
2015-12-11T17:38:24 < upgrdman_> i think i tried kikedad once. seems very unintuitive so i gave up on it
2015-12-11T17:38:53 < kakimir> dont use opengl
2015-12-11T17:38:57 < trepidacious> It's a bit like getting a reasonable android tablet in a box made of scorpions smeared in poop - it's a reasonable tablet, but how many people are going to ever find out?
2015-12-11T17:38:58 < kakimir> its shit
2015-12-11T17:39:09 < kakimir> they have not implemented anythings there
2015-12-11T17:39:25 < dongs> why the fuck is tehre more than one way to render shit
2015-12-11T17:39:35 < kakimir> wait
2015-12-11T17:39:37 < dongs> see this is where the insanity begins
2015-12-11T17:39:39 < kakimir> that is not all
2015-12-11T17:39:44 < trepidacious> upgrdman: Yeah it's amazingly unintuitive, particularly the installation. Once you are using it it's ok because you can sort of remember the weird way you have to click to do stuff
2015-12-11T17:39:50 < kakimir> those are seperate editors
2015-12-11T17:40:01 < kakimir> working differently
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2015-12-11T17:40:05 < trepidacious> If I was goign to use it again I would allow maybe 1 day for remembering how to use it at all, then it would be ok again
2015-12-11T17:40:14 < kakimir> so you dont use nothing but defaut
2015-12-11T17:40:21 < dongs> my last complaint about altidong being slow as ballz during ECO was fixed in 16.x
2015-12-11T17:40:26 < dongs> so now i have really no complaints about it
2015-12-11T17:40:46 < trepidacious> I honestly think that if they just wrapped up the whole thing in a decent install script, maybe even an entirely separate application that just babysits all the stupid configuration files for you, it would be fine
2015-12-11T17:40:52 < trepidacious> or distribute it as a VM or something
2015-12-11T17:40:59 < dongs> haha vm
2015-12-11T17:41:07 < dongs> vm with kikecad-brandeed lunix distro
2015-12-11T17:41:22 < trepidacious> yeah seriously, it would still be better than trying to configure it yourself
2015-12-11T17:41:24 < kakimir> why would you need vm
2015-12-11T17:41:41 < ReadError> how do people figure out eagle
2015-12-11T17:41:41 < upgrdman_> ya and have that vm map ctrl-c to $rm -rf /
2015-12-11T17:41:42 < kakimir> why would you need configurations?
2015-12-11T17:41:44 < trepidacious> Because it uses 2-3 million config files, all of them have to be just right, and you have to use 5 different applications to set them up
2015-12-11T17:41:47 < ReadError> you click on shit and nothing useful happens
2015-12-11T17:41:55 < trepidacious> Then when you are done, you can actually design something, and that bit is ok
2015-12-11T17:42:07 < trepidacious> Plus installing the right version is a pain
2015-12-11T17:42:07 < kakimir> I have never configured anything in kikecad
2015-12-11T17:42:27 < kakimir> install nightly and go
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2015-12-11T17:42:38 < ReadError> altium has some nice feature, the query/filter tool is useful
2015-12-11T17:43:01 < trepidacious> kakimir: What about setting up the project and getting any actual components to show up anywhere?
2015-12-11T17:43:22 < trepidacious> kakimir: Maybe it was only like that when I tried to create a new component
2015-12-11T17:43:26 < kakimir> dont you need to do that anyways
2015-12-11T17:43:32 < trepidacious> kakimir: I still think it's insane
2015-12-11T17:43:58 < kakimir> set project properties set libraries and start drawing
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2015-12-11T17:44:09 < trepidacious> I think they realised its insane, because you can get components from git projects now? Except I don't think that bit actually worked, I could have been doing it wrong ;)
2015-12-11T17:44:14 < dongs> does kikecad still show schematics as dark green on black
2015-12-11T17:44:23 < kakimir> no
2015-12-11T17:45:01 < kc2uez> have you guys tried upverter?
2015-12-11T17:45:18 < kc2uez> is not bad, if you don't mind open hardware
2015-12-11T17:45:53 < kc2uez> you could pay to go close source, but I have made a couple of boards with upverter
2015-12-11T17:46:10 < kc2uez> output files play nice with oshapark
2015-12-11T17:46:30 < kakimir> maybe I just dont know what to expect from tool
2015-12-11T17:47:02 < ReadError> kc2uez dont like the idea of having shit stuck in the 'cloud'
2015-12-11T17:47:18 < ReadError> not a privacy thing
2015-12-11T17:47:30 < ReadError> just not being able to have a copy if they go tits up
2015-12-11T17:47:39 < kc2uez> good point, you can download stuff too and it will play nice with altium and others
2015-12-11T17:47:48 < ReadError> they let you export?
2015-12-11T17:47:51 < kc2uez> yes
2015-12-11T17:47:58 < kc2uez> and upload
2015-12-11T17:48:05 < ReadError> oh thats kinda useful then
2015-12-11T17:48:16 < ReadError> can it convert between different design packages?
2015-12-11T17:48:38 < ReadError> like import as one and export as another?
2015-12-11T17:48:40 < kc2uez> have only tried altium
2015-12-11T17:49:00 < kc2uez> but i don't see why not others EDAs
2015-12-11T17:49:10 < ReadError> i want to convert a kicad -> altium
2015-12-11T17:49:24 < ReadError> seems they have stuff to go the other way
2015-12-11T17:50:22 < kakimir> altium doesnt suppors open faggotry?
2015-12-11T17:50:33 < dongs> thankfully no
2015-12-11T17:50:40 < dongs> they did some half-assed eagle shit
2015-12-11T17:50:50 < dongs> that stonercloner has used to import a bunch of ugly looking parts
2015-12-11T17:50:51 < kakimir> but still they support pile of shit eagle?
2015-12-11T17:50:55 < dongs> probly from sparkfuck library
2015-12-11T17:50:55 < kc2uez> I have never used kicad, I keep hearing more and more about it. here at work we use altium for everything.. we used to be on pcad, but now we sold our soul to altium
2015-12-11T17:50:57 < ReadError> i sorta managed to convert diptrace -> altium
2015-12-11T17:51:10 < dongs> besides, doesnt matter
2015-12-11T17:51:19 < dongs> *anyone* can write *->altium converter because it has scriting
2015-12-11T17:51:21 < dongs> scripting
2015-12-11T17:51:38 < dongs> you can just take whatever opensores format and translate curves/pads/wahtever shits into format altidong needs
2015-12-11T17:51:43 < ReadError> i wish they allowed for actual key remapping
2015-12-11T17:51:47 < dongs> it would be fairly trivial to do, too.
2015-12-11T17:51:48 < ReadError> the numpad shit needs to die
2015-12-11T17:52:02 < dongs> remapped on my logitech mouse and stopped caring
2015-12-11T17:52:11 < dongs> side clicky buttons layerup/down, done
2015-12-11T17:52:27 < Sync> oh that would be fapfapfap
2015-12-11T17:52:58 < dongs> no need to remap anything
2015-12-11T17:53:06 < kc2uez> give upverter a try, they have a really big library, and they have something that you can request parts made if they don't have them on the DB
2015-12-11T17:53:11 < ReadError> I just want 1,2,3,4 etc to drop vias and switch layers, diptrace style
2015-12-11T17:53:40 < ReadError> thats what i miss most
2015-12-11T17:55:22 < ReadError> wireless numpad on left side is usable
2015-12-11T17:55:29 < kc2uez> you can take a peek at other projects and "borrow" parts of their schematics, quite useful and time saving if you are in a hurry. and it works everywhere in case you travel a lot
2015-12-11T17:55:45 < ReadError> but ergonomics, numpad is dumb, its always on the mousehand side
2015-12-11T17:56:25 < kakimir> seperate tenkeypad fools
2015-12-11T17:56:47 < kc2uez> http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/18/razer-naga-mmo-mouse-and-megasoma-mat-unboxing-and-hands-on/
2015-12-11T17:57:15 < ReadError> kakimir wot did i just say m8
2015-12-11T17:57:35 < dongs> kc2uez: i never trust premade parts, generally the effort to go and verify it is more than drawing my own
2015-12-11T17:57:46 < dongs> so "big library" is not a salespoint for me
2015-12-11T17:58:02 < ReadError> do you trust ones from vendors?
2015-12-11T17:58:25 < dongs> i create pin lists from datasheets, sure
2015-12-11T17:58:30 < kc2uez> you make every part you use?
2015-12-11T17:58:33 < dongs> yes
2015-12-11T17:58:52 < ReadError> i finally most of my stuff over to the IPC footprints
2015-12-11T17:58:58 < ReadError> much less component boner issues
2015-12-11T17:59:09 < upgrdman_> ipc?
2015-12-11T17:59:41 < ReadError> http://pcbget.ru/Files/Standarts/IPC_7351.pdf
2015-12-11T18:00:30 < dongs> kc2uez: what do you do, spend x minutes searching for an existing component on the internet?
2015-12-11T18:01:03 < dongs> its so *simple* to make sch/pcb components in altium, i dont understand why you wouldnt want to
2015-12-11T18:01:17 < upgrdman_> *nods*
2015-12-11T18:01:22 < dongs> the only time I pulled something out of vault was a xilinx fpga that i wasn't gonna verify against 5 different datasheets
2015-12-11T18:01:28 < upgrdman_> like even my dumb ass figued it out after one youtube video
2015-12-11T18:01:45 < ReadError> i had to go back and do assembly layers on a bunch of my stuff
2015-12-11T18:01:46 < kc2uez> we have a local vault here it has every single part we have used on different projects, we imported all the pcad stuff to that, it is like 15 years words of parts
2015-12-11T18:01:51 < ReadError> that was a PITD
2015-12-11T18:01:57 < dongs> today i drew this < dongs> also: pro BGA'ing http://i.imgur.com/eL59vAK.png
2015-12-11T18:02:12 < kc2uez> unless it is a brand new IC pcie 3.0 or something like that we already have it
2015-12-11T18:02:18 < dongs> kc2uez: yes, sure. of course I don't redraw every fucking part for each project, duh
2015-12-11T18:02:21 < dongs> its all in local libs
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2015-12-11T18:02:44 < dongs> but those are all verified, manufacture tested, etc.
2015-12-11T18:03:21 < dongs> <opensores guy> hey im starting a new kikecad porject but i cant figure out how to add existing parts library so im gonna draw resistors/caps/etc from scratch first!!1
2015-12-11T18:04:56 < kc2uez> ok, upverter verifies the parts people make, it is nice for small projects, almost all the STM32s are there
2015-12-11T18:05:16 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/ez5jGvq.jpg
2015-12-11T18:05:21 < ReadError> so i can just steal parts from upverter and export to altium?
2015-12-11T18:05:33 < kc2uez> you can make your own and keep them on your personal library
2015-12-11T18:05:54 < dongs> will upverter sell my email to china pcb houses
2015-12-11T18:05:56 < dongs> like CIRCUITMAKER did
2015-12-11T18:05:59 < dongs> lolol
2015-12-11T18:06:07 < kc2uez> lol, I hope not
2015-12-11T18:06:22 < kc2uez> you can use a throwaway
2015-12-11T18:07:28 < upgrdman_> you should register something like DicksniffMcNiggerson@gmail.com
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2015-12-11T18:08:25 < dongs> i have osmething with niggerdicks in it @ gmail
2015-12-11T18:08:29 < kc2uez> i mean, you guys can do whatever you guys want. I was just saying upverter works well and it is convenient. It is great if you travel and want to do a quick prototype
2015-12-11T18:08:31 < dongs> then i tried to change the account name
2015-12-11T18:08:44 < dongs> and google kept telling me it doesnt jive with thier "RealNames(tm)" policy
2015-12-11T18:08:50 < upgrdman_> lol
2015-12-11T18:08:56 < dongs> so it made me keep it as nigger dicks instead.
2015-12-11T18:08:58 < dongs> ... so okay.
2015-12-11T18:10:25 < dongs> hm m1am
2015-12-11T18:10:33 < dongs> i did innovate one board today so im okay
2015-12-11T18:10:35 < dongs> bedtime
2015-12-11T18:10:39 < zyp> haha
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2015-12-11T18:13:57 < kc2uez> upverter is like kind of sort of using mbed from the browser
2015-12-11T18:14:35 < trepidacious> Hm, I hadn't really looked at upverter, I didn't realise it did schematics/layout, I thought it was jut a parts library
2015-12-11T18:15:18 < kc2uez> i like it, I have done a few hobby projects with that
2015-12-11T18:16:25 < trepidacious> I'll have to try it more, from a quick click around it looks pretty nice
2015-12-11T18:16:33 < kc2uez> http://k2jji.org/2014/09/18/arduino-base-cw-decoder/
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2015-12-11T20:51:26 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/mIepaNK.jpg
2015-12-11T20:52:43 < jpa-> your family photo?
2015-12-11T20:53:59 < gxti> hmm, i got lucky. usually i know better than to open Laurenceb links at work. or ever.
2015-12-11T20:55:00 < jpa-> i would ignore any url from Laurenceb, but then i'd miss his code snippets
2015-12-11T20:55:12 < jpa-> and i need somewhere to copypaste to get my work done
2015-12-11T20:55:13 < Laurenceb> lol what code snippets
2015-12-11T20:55:27 < jpa-> http://pastie.org/10501715   like this
2015-12-11T20:55:34 < Laurenceb> yeah I should do some work then I'd actually have something to copypasta
2015-12-11T20:55:53 < Laurenceb> haha that monstrosity
2015-12-11T20:57:52 < Laurenceb> line 13 :-D
2015-12-11T20:58:02 < gxti> i can't believe that i2c code i stope from you hasn't burned down my house yet. i did rewrite it so maybe that's why.
2015-12-11T20:58:05 < gxti> stole*
2015-12-11T20:58:12 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/ZIfk3OjoEOE :P
2015-12-11T20:59:12 < Laurenceb> not _everything_ I do is a massive troll
2015-12-11T20:59:16 < Laurenceb> just almost all of it
2015-12-11T20:59:48 < Laurenceb> lol Rob235, looks like the sort of shit we'd make at work
2015-12-11T21:00:39 < Laurenceb> we even made a matlab video editing suite
2015-12-11T21:00:44 < Rob235> I like seeing charts instead of raw data
2015-12-11T21:01:15 < Rob235> not that receiver channels need much testing, it obviously works.  it will be good for testing other values though
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2015-12-11T21:31:44 < kakimir> fukking combicon can-bus pinout
2015-12-11T21:32:17 < kakimir> can someone tell me which version is the rigth one
2015-12-11T21:32:41 < ReadError> just buy that TI shit and quit dicking around with it
2015-12-11T21:34:01 < kakimir> I do not pay random
2015-12-11T21:34:06 < kakimir> ransom
2015-12-11T21:34:08 < kakimir> *
2015-12-11T21:34:20 < kakimir> just for one pinout
2015-12-11T21:34:37 < ReadError> are you putting this in to production?
2015-12-11T21:34:46 < kakimir> hopefully not
2015-12-11T21:34:52 < ReadError> then whats the prob
2015-12-11T21:38:55 < kakimir> everytin
2015-12-11T21:40:20 < kakimir> http://modtronix.com/images/detailed/1/im1can_3pc.jpg
2015-12-11T21:40:34 < kakimir> okay it's another way around I have
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2015-12-11T21:46:02 < kakimir> so I have wrong way around but it comes out in layout right way because footprint pin numbering
2015-12-11T21:46:54 < ReadError> why waste time on it if you arent making a bunch
2015-12-11T21:47:00 < ReadError> get ti part, works, be done
2015-12-11T21:48:04 < kakimir> what ti part?
2015-12-11T21:49:23 < ReadError> hmm they have a bunch
2015-12-11T21:49:30 < ReadError> idk i like TI, good documents
2015-12-11T21:49:33 < ReadError> free sample
2015-12-11T21:50:26 < kakimir> whole can tranceiver board as a free sample?
2015-12-11T21:51:54 < ReadError> doubtful
2015-12-11T21:52:00 < ReadError> they will damn near overnight you parts though
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2015-12-11T21:54:20 < kakimir> problem is
2015-12-11T21:54:40 < kakimir> that I don't know pin numberin of combicon connector
2015-12-11T21:55:22 < kakimir> phoenix doesn't mind numberin their shiet :/
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2015-12-11T22:08:15 < ReadError> cant just see which way its facing and map it?
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2015-12-11T22:10:29 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-11T22:10:43 < kakimir> I map it to match photo
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2015-12-11T22:29:40 < upgrdman_> sweet. got my ltspice graph parser working. i was able to interpret the traces of my simple delta-sigma adc and calculate the ADC readings: http://imgur.com/QaTxRun
2015-12-11T22:40:59 < kakimir> that fpga thing?
2015-12-11T22:41:12 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-12-11T22:41:26 < upgrdman_> resistor, capacitor, fpga with LVDS input.
2015-12-11T22:46:44 < kakimir> da fuq youtube wants me to install flash player
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2015-12-11T23:19:51 < karlp> Getty: "run mountsmd.ulp" counts as "killing the eagle" ?
2015-12-11T23:20:30 < Getty> karlp: what you mean? :)
2015-12-11T23:24:52 < kakimir> switch to kikecad
2015-12-11T23:35:45 < Getty> i have yet no idea of that area, i really leave it to my dad, he must be happy ;)
2015-12-11T23:36:27 < Getty> i have a vague overview but yet had no reason to start any of those.... i want to tho, but my dad holds me back a bit ;)
2015-12-11T23:44:05 < Laurenceb> http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/7D88/production/_87163123_fe73eda7-40dc-49a6-ab46-6cd65cd2f302.jpg
2015-12-11T23:44:11 < Laurenceb> so much wtf in one image
2015-12-11T23:44:54 < karlp> Getty: I mean, eagle export to pick n place is "run mountsmd" it's just one of the hidden shits in eagle that's a user script thing instead of a regular feature
2015-12-11T23:45:38 < Getty> ah ok ;) thanks i will dispatch that to him
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2015-12-11T23:47:45 < Laurenceb> new "ISIS style" police uniform
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2015-12-12T00:06:05 < kakimir> spam musics
2015-12-12T00:19:08 < Rob235> I guess the time has come to learn i2c for stm32... do you guys just look up examples and learn from that or do you have any sites you usually go to?
2015-12-12T00:20:54 < upgrdman_> google is pretty good
2015-12-12T00:22:45 < Laurenceb> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8b/c7/ef/8bc7efce52eea4d7a4a4836bf99f95b8.jpg
2015-12-12T00:29:11 < kakimir> just do i2c
2015-12-12T00:32:41 < Rob235> ?
2015-12-12T00:33:23 < kakimir> just do it
2015-12-12T00:33:31 < Rob235> oh of course
2015-12-12T00:33:34 < Fleck> I need to learn ethernet phy
2015-12-12T00:33:44 < Rob235> i'll just type randomly and hope it works
2015-12-12T00:41:14 < Rob235> ehh it actually looks pretty easy
2015-12-12T00:43:31 < kakimir> take thing you think is complicated
2015-12-12T00:43:42 < kakimir> take the compicated out of it
2015-12-12T00:44:06 < kakimir> and you have thing that is not complicated
2015-12-12T00:44:13 < Rob235> ive never met anyone that had more useful advice than you
2015-12-12T00:44:19 < Rob235> thank you kind sir
2015-12-12T00:44:24 < jadew> kicad footprints: http://dumb.ro/files/kicad.png
2015-12-12T00:45:02 < kakimir> some fucker has done some transistor footprints
2015-12-12T00:45:18 < kakimir> always check sot23
2015-12-12T00:45:38 < jadew> yeah, I usually check all of them
2015-12-12T00:46:00 < jadew> that's a PN2222A tho
2015-12-12T00:49:02 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRENJZjRDM3hVZU0/view?usp=sharing
2015-12-12T00:50:37 < jadew> lol
2015-12-12T00:53:19 < kakimir> that is third party
2015-12-12T00:59:18 < kakimir> true pros don't need any footprints by software itself
2015-12-12T00:59:44 < kakimir> they draw 400pin packages in their spare time
2015-12-12T01:01:19 < kakimir> "spare time"
2015-12-12T01:07:41 < kakimir> I think there should be script based footprint generation
2015-12-12T01:08:50 < kakimir> or kind of wizard that generates patterns based on parameters
2015-12-12T01:09:20 < jadew> a text based standard would be good
2015-12-12T01:09:21 < kakimir> take that grunt word of laying some hundred pads
2015-12-12T01:09:29 < kakimir> work
2015-12-12T01:09:32 < jadew> so every manufacturer could add it to their datasheet
2015-12-12T01:09:41 < kakimir> !
2015-12-12T01:09:44 < kakimir> that is genious
2015-12-12T01:09:45 < jadew> then everyone could just import that in their fav. tool
2015-12-12T01:09:53 < kakimir> that is really smart
2015-12-12T01:10:05 < kakimir> please tell them!
2015-12-12T01:10:10 < jadew> heh
2015-12-12T01:10:27 < jadew> I'll get in touch with them tomorrow
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2015-12-12T02:05:22 < Laurenceb> http://www.8chan.co/b/file/a7c5fbe8d2f98639bd92064bcb2ab159/leftypol.jpg
2015-12-12T02:08:18 < Rob235> anyone know if I2C_CheckEvent() clears the flags?
2015-12-12T02:09:17 < Rob235> it doesn't in the code, just wondering if the flags get reset automatically upon reading them
2015-12-12T02:10:02 < kakimir> datasheet
2015-12-12T02:10:32 < kakimir> *tech reference manual
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2015-12-12T02:34:00 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vknRo7aLhc japs catching DJI with DJI
2015-12-12T02:34:10 < dongs> Rob235: stdlib sores is OPEN YOU KNOW
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2015-12-12T02:43:51 < Rob235> i said it doesn't do it in the code, i already checked
2015-12-12T02:43:56 < Rob235> i2c helper library finished
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2015-12-12T03:19:02 < dongs> hm how d o i make altidong have paste mask over through-hole pads
2015-12-12T03:19:12 < dongs> wihtout drawing a new pad
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2015-12-12T03:22:24 < zyp> hmm
2015-12-12T03:22:34 < zyp> isn't there a checkbox?
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2015-12-12T03:28:33 < dongs> nope
2015-12-12T03:28:40 < dongs> checked with my altidong expert, apparently its hte only way
2015-12-12T03:28:44 < dongs> is to do new pad
2015-12-12T03:29:09 < zyp> I don't remember what I did on usb footprint
2015-12-12T03:37:36 < Laurenceb> Rob235: what stm? F1,2,3,4,7 ??
2015-12-12T03:37:44 < Rob235> 4
2015-12-12T03:38:36 < Laurenceb> iirc thats kind of like F1 but without some of the annoying case handling
2015-12-12T03:39:32 < Rob235> dunno, this is my first stm board (only other board is an uno) and I just got it about 2 months ago
2015-12-12T03:39:35 < Laurenceb> chibios has drivers
2015-12-12T03:39:41 < Laurenceb> for F4 I2C
2015-12-12T03:39:54 < Rob235> I'm using stdperiph
2015-12-12T03:39:58 < PeterM> i get the feeling this this is dongss wifecop - http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1449838374185.webm
2015-12-12T03:39:59 < Laurenceb> hmm
2015-12-12T03:40:49 < Rob235> I think I'm fine.  still have to port over my mpu initialization to stm but I think what I have is going to work
2015-12-12T03:41:31 < Laurenceb> well you could grab my F1 codez and delete the unneeded shit I guess
2015-12-12T03:41:35 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/i2c_int.c
2015-12-12T03:43:29 < Rob235> http://letanphuc.net/2014/06/stm32-mpu6050-dma-i2c/ about halfway down, in the I2C_DMA_Read function (LINE 27), I don't see why that I2C_Cmd is needed, thats all my question was about
2015-12-12T03:43:37 < Laurenceb> oh DMA
2015-12-12T03:43:39 < Rob235> no
2015-12-12T03:43:43 < Laurenceb> yeah that makes it easier
2015-12-12T03:43:43 < Rob235> question isn't about dma
2015-12-12T03:43:45 < Laurenceb> oh ok
2015-12-12T03:44:08 < Rob235> I'm going to use dma but just want it working normally first
2015-12-12T03:44:21 < Laurenceb> ok just busyloop then
2015-12-12T03:44:29 < Laurenceb> I only used isr as DMA sucks on F1
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2015-12-12T03:44:40 < Laurenceb> so I needed it for the fast stuff
2015-12-12T03:45:39 < Rob235> do you have any idea why that I2C_Cmd is there on line 27? says its to clear ev6 and set PE bit but PE should be set already and the line above it should clear EV6 if I'm not mistaken
2015-12-12T03:46:11 < Laurenceb> I'm not familiar with all the events on F4 I2C, sorry
2015-12-12T03:46:20 < Rob235> ok
2015-12-12T03:46:44 < Laurenceb> but I'd try busy loop first, thats how I did it
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2015-12-12T03:48:40 < Laurenceb> personally I like to use interrupt driven state machines
2015-12-12T03:48:50 < Laurenceb> they take ages to design tho :-/
2015-12-12T03:49:52 < Laurenceb> but if you have an RTOS with a proper HAL like chibios its probably quite redundant
2015-12-12T03:50:20 < Laurenceb> although chibios is very limiting - there is only one way to run the hardware, usually involving heavy DMA use
2015-12-12T03:51:08 < Laurenceb> I've done some work projects with chibios coupled to isr driven custom drivers
2015-12-12T03:52:43 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFzKi-o4rHw
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2015-12-12T04:11:23 < dongs> chibidongs
2015-12-12T04:11:51 < PeterM> short dongs wiht big heads? :S
2015-12-12T04:12:53 < dongs> wtf is cortex m1
2015-12-12T04:13:21 < PeterM> softcore for fuh puggas
2015-12-12T04:13:26 < PeterM> fgpas
2015-12-12T04:14:09 < dongs> is it opensores?
2015-12-12T04:14:11 < dongs> or like bitstream
2015-12-12T04:14:17 < kakimir> no opensore
2015-12-12T04:15:11 < PeterM> i doubt its aids
2015-12-12T04:16:07 < kakimir> but how it could be bitstream?
2015-12-12T04:16:48 < kakimir> can you use multiple bitstreams in one pugga?
2015-12-12T04:17:44 < PeterM> dunno
2015-12-12T04:17:56 < PeterM> i'd ask in #fpga is you really wanted to know
2015-12-12T04:18:22 < kakimir> what is bitstream+
2015-12-12T04:18:29 < kakimir> can you crypt it?
2015-12-12T04:20:00 < kakimir> bitstream is thing that flash outputs when pugga loads program rigth
2015-12-12T04:20:11 < kakimir> but is there like more to it
2015-12-12T04:21:24 < PeterM> dunno, i dont fpgas
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2015-12-12T04:23:15 < dongs> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/37146/how-do-i-design-my-very-own-arm-based-processors lol @ top answer
2015-12-12T04:23:59 < PeterM> before i read it, is the top answer "neck yourself"
2015-12-12T04:24:15 < dongs> not quite
2015-12-12T04:25:23 < PeterM> damn, im somewhat dissapointed
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2015-12-12T04:36:45 < scrts> I wonder if there are any usb gsm devices that would allow to call and send/receive sms?
2015-12-12T04:36:55 < scrts> usb gsm modem returns with 3G modems..
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2015-12-12T04:46:06 < dongs> err
2015-12-12T04:46:10 < dongs> like all of them?
2015-12-12T04:46:25 < dongs> there's probly an AT command for SMS-esque stuff
2015-12-12T04:46:34 < dongs> 3G = also does GSM anywaty
2015-12-12T04:53:25 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/kRweoa4.png nice uplink dish
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2015-12-12T04:56:32 < kakimir> why it's nice?
2015-12-12T04:56:45 < dongs> they had the biggest booth at tv expo
2015-12-12T04:57:50 < scrts> that's my uni: http://www.fwd.lt/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/KTU_TEF_fakultetas.jpg
2015-12-12T04:57:54 < scrts> we had a cool dish :>
2015-12-12T04:58:00 < dongs> heh
2015-12-12T04:58:12 < scrts> it took 6 hours to do 360 rotation, lol
2015-12-12T04:58:35 < dongs> there's one of those on top of an abandoned city hall
2015-12-12T04:58:52 < dongs> ive been meaning to ask about it, too lazy tho
2015-12-12T05:03:55 < scrts> ppl had crazy idea about that dish
2015-12-12T05:03:58 < scrts> point it to the moon
2015-12-12T05:04:18 < scrts> and on the other side of earth have the same type of dish also pointing to the moon
2015-12-12T05:04:27 < scrts> the communicate using reflection
2015-12-12T05:04:40 < scrts> dunno if succeeded :)
2015-12-12T05:05:41 < dongs> fucking  youtube
2015-12-12T05:05:44 < dongs> they're trapping alt-f
2015-12-12T05:05:46 < dongs> to go fullscreen
2015-12-12T05:05:54 < dongs> anywhere on youtube video page
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2015-12-12T05:23:35 < PeterM> thats fucked, i thought the standardized shortcut for fullscreen was alt-enter
2015-12-12T05:25:20 < dongs> yes
2015-12-12T05:27:21 < upgrdman> i think they trap f, not alt-f
2015-12-12T05:27:42 < upgrdman> well not alt-f specifically
2015-12-12T05:32:23 < dongs> wut
2015-12-12T05:32:35 < dongs> omfg
2015-12-12T05:32:36 < dongs> it is just F
2015-12-12T05:32:38 < dongs> what the fuck
2015-12-12T05:32:40 < dongs> get out
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2015-12-12T05:57:12 < Rob235> I don't know where data gets stored but does stm32 have an equivalent of the arduino progmem? I have a 4 kB array to store
2015-12-12T05:57:25 < dongs> ? static const foo = whatever
2015-12-12T05:57:27 < dongs> will be in flash
2015-12-12T05:57:42 < dongs> check the .map file to make sure
2015-12-12T05:57:55 < Rob235> ok thanks
2015-12-12T05:58:03 < dongs> you dont need anything special to access it tho
2015-12-12T05:58:09 < Rob235> sounds good
2015-12-12T06:04:57 < dongs> well, or just const. anyway, thats what makes it go in flash
2015-12-12T06:18:30 < Rob235> ugh this is the worst
2015-12-12T06:18:46 < dongs> how many ballz
2015-12-12T06:19:18 < Rob235> converting my arduino mpu9255 library is painfully slow.  its too much stuff
2015-12-12T06:29:07 < dongs> SUX 4 U
2015-12-12T06:29:19 < Rob235> hmm I'm gonna be using like 6 different DMAs in this project
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2015-12-12T07:31:43 < englishman> http://www.techspot.com/news/63108-kickstarter-hires-investigative-journalist-look-zano-failed-drone.html
2015-12-12T07:32:21 < englishman> you should email this guy dongs
2015-12-12T07:35:07 < dongs> way ahead of you
2015-12-12T07:36:54 < englishman> sorry, internet is fucking slow and shitty in sf bay area
2015-12-12T07:37:17 < dongs> must be all the faggots leeching gay porn
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2015-12-12T08:22:24 < dongs> pro bowling is so boring
2015-12-12T08:22:30 < dongs> like every hit clears all teh pins
2015-12-12T08:22:36 < dongs> why do people watch that shit
2015-12-12T08:22:48 < emeb_mac> why do people watch golf
2015-12-12T08:22:50 < emeb_mac> or tennis
2015-12-12T08:24:15 < upgrdman> why do people watch any sport
2015-12-12T08:26:01 < dongs> they like dongs
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2015-12-12T08:26:51 < dongs> japs append "pro" after every name they say
2015-12-12T08:27:04 < dongs> when talkiung about bowlers
2015-12-12T08:28:52 < ReadError> prepend?
2015-12-12T08:28:58 < dongs> append
2015-12-12T08:29:03 < dongs> yamada taro pro
2015-12-12T08:29:04 < dongs> etc.
2015-12-12T08:29:08 < ReadError> oh odd
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2015-12-12T08:35:40 < dongs> bowling on pingpong table?
2015-12-12T08:35:57 < dongs> o
2015-12-12T08:36:06 < dongs> R2PRO works for spacex: confirmed
2015-12-12T08:36:15 < dongs> normal companies dont have pingpon tables
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2015-12-12T08:38:20 < dongs> i dont mind pool, i just suck at it
2015-12-12T08:38:41 < dongs> best korea pool is fucked up
2015-12-12T08:38:58 < dongs> what is "normal" pool with like 9 balls or wahtever is considered girls pool there
2015-12-12T08:39:07 < dongs> gook pool is like... less balls and some differnet rules
2015-12-12T08:59:19 < PeterM> R2COM, likes guns, not pool, and snow because bawwwston
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2015-12-12T09:20:25 < dongs> hmm wtf
2015-12-12T09:20:35 < dongs> sch>pcb update loses custom colors for difflanes that i assign i pcb
2015-12-12T09:28:33 < ReadError> upgrdman http://www.dailygusta.com/photos/i-zZfXTGK/0/O/i-zZfXTGK.jpg
2015-12-12T09:28:46 < ReadError> fucked up the qfn trying to poke shit out
2015-12-12T09:28:51 < ReadError> but otherwise pretty usable
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2015-12-12T12:43:02 < TheSeven> hm, I'm having a bit of trouble with an F0's I2C in master mode
2015-12-12T12:43:27 < TheSeven> I'm in a situation where I have to tolerate glitches on the bus (due to hotplugging of a smart battery)
2015-12-12T12:43:38 < TheSeven> so the device that it's talking to might disappear mid-transaction or something like that
2015-12-12T12:43:56 < TheSeven> an occasional failing transfer is thus to be expected and completely tolerable, but I need a way to recover
2015-12-12T12:44:52 < TheSeven> and currently the I2C peripheral seems to be locking up in some situations, keeping BUSY high, not issuing any IRQ, no error flags, no TXIS or anything
2015-12-12T12:45:37 < TheSeven> and while it's doing that it's pulling both SCL and SDA low, and never releases them again (unless I knock the peripheral off the pins of course)
2015-12-12T12:46:21 < TheSeven> has anyone seen that before or a clue what might be causing this / how to avoid this?
2015-12-12T12:46:47 < dongs> TheSeven: did you try clocking out ~10 clocks after reset
2015-12-12T12:46:58 < dongs> by setting i2c pins to gpio/od mode
2015-12-12T12:47:11 < TheSeven> "reset" in terms of what?
2015-12-12T12:47:12 < dongs> that makes sure any slaves are unstock
2015-12-12T12:47:15 < dongs> unstuck
2015-12-12T12:47:17 < dongs> reset i2c peripheral
2015-12-12T12:47:31 < dongs> reset i2c, change pins to gpio, clockout, change AF back to I2C
2015-12-12T12:47:32 < mitrax> TheSeven: send clock cycles until the SDA goes back to 1
2015-12-12T12:47:35 < dongs> ^
2015-12-12T12:48:05 < TheSeven> I've actually disconnected any slaves from the bus after this happened, it's the STM32 that's pulling the pins low, yet not requesting software to do anything
2015-12-12T12:48:32 < TheSeven> so yeah I could surely work around this by resetting the peripheral, but it seems like really odd, buggy behavior, and I'd rather fix the root cause if I find it
2015-12-12T12:49:21 < TheSeven> what's a bit annoying is that there's no error flag coming up that I could detect, so my only way to detect that lockup so far is just a timeout for the next IRQ to arrive
2015-12-12T12:50:06 < TheSeven> enabling smbus timeouts also didn't really help - it changed the behavior a bit, but I still got lockups while waiting for BUSY to go low after the timeout triggered a STOP condition
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2015-12-12T13:52:16 < aep> zyp: piwng. i've been told you know things about cortex-m uart-over-swd
2015-12-12T13:52:25 < aep> specficially whatever that is https://github.com/zyp/laks/blob/master/util/rblog.h
2015-12-12T14:08:00 < Steffanx> This is not really uart over SWD. He made a gdb plugin that reads some variables using swd.
2015-12-12T14:12:17 < Steffanx> What do you want to do aep? Semihosting style or uart(-printf whatever) style using SWO?
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2015-12-12T14:13:13 < aep> yeah, but that sounds like a good idea :D
2015-12-12T14:13:31 < aep> i'm working with a nordic nrf51 over an st-link
2015-12-12T14:13:42 < aep> and pretty much everything is broken in some corner cases
2015-12-12T14:13:55 < aep> swo isn't available, uart is dead on exceptions
2015-12-12T14:14:29 < aep> what i have right now is bit-banged i2c synchronous over another mcu, that's the only method that works even when crashing inside their propriatary crap
2015-12-12T14:14:40 < Steffanx> anyway, this rblog.h belongs to this: https://github.com/zyp/laks/blob/master/gdb_plugins/rblog.py
2015-12-12T14:14:49 < aep> yeah found it. going to try
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2015-12-12T14:15:18 < aep> first implemented semi-hosting (ofc no newlibc, need to copy-pasta the asm)
2015-12-12T14:17:04 < aep> while i'm here, anyone has experience with the 'stmf103 mini' boards from china? i tried flashing blackmagicprobe on that stuff, but only the RX pin works, the TX is pulled to ground, despite the code clearly initializes it as output
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2015-12-12T14:17:27 < aep> just wondering if those china boards are usually broken, so i won't waste time debugging this
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2015-12-12T14:27:59 < Laurenceb> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8469887&cid=51104423
2015-12-12T14:28:00 < Laurenceb> lolz
2015-12-12T14:28:07 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35060123 < attn dongs
2015-12-12T14:28:33 < Laurenceb> Mr Harris said he had been commissioned by Kickstarter to investigate the project
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2015-12-12T14:52:04 < dongs> mega old
2015-12-12T14:52:08 < dongs> i already have email thread with that guy
2015-12-12T14:52:51 < aep> so they care all of the sudden?
2015-12-12T14:54:13 < bloated> they hired a journalist, not an investigator. and the article says "Mark Harris will try to enlighten investors and the public about the company's failure."
2015-12-12T14:54:32 < bloated> they've hired him to write a nice article.
2015-12-12T14:54:41 < bloated> probably paying him 10 euro to do it.
2015-12-12T14:54:53 < aep> spelling error? 'lighten up investors and the public' :P
2015-12-12T14:55:40 < bloated> they would have hired a forensic accountant if they actually cared
2015-12-12T14:56:54 < bloated> what is "medium" ?
2015-12-12T14:57:08 < aep> blog stuff
2015-12-12T14:58:43 < Laurenceb> http://journal.sjdm.org/15/15923a/jdm15923a.html
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2015-12-12T15:18:11 < zyp> aep, hi
2015-12-12T15:18:46 < aep> zyp: joo whutup, i heard you had your journay with the nrf
2015-12-12T15:18:50 < zyp> I wrote rblog to be fast (I needed it to trace my usb stack), so all it does is dump a string pointer and arguments into a ringbuffer
2015-12-12T15:19:05 < aep> yeah, makes sense
2015-12-12T15:19:12 < zyp> and then there's the gdb python pluging that grabs that and prints it with string formatting
2015-12-12T15:19:22 < aep> does it still work when the nrf dies?
2015-12-12T15:19:44 < zyp> the two files you've found are pretty self contained, only thing you'll need to replace is the timestamp function
2015-12-12T15:19:52 < zyp> requires C++11 to build as is
2015-12-12T15:19:57 < aep> aye
2015-12-12T15:20:08 < ReadError> 3 spams from upverter already
2015-12-12T15:20:12 < zyp> it's just dumping data in memory, so as long as the memory contents remain, you can read it out
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2015-12-12T15:21:47 < aep> aye, i'll try it later
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2015-12-12T15:21:52 < zyp> ok
2015-12-12T15:21:56 < aep> now trying semi-hosting
2015-12-12T15:22:02 < aep> or do you already know that's broken?
2015-12-12T15:22:11 < zyp> I'll be mostly busy today, but if you have any questions just highlight me and I'll get back to you
2015-12-12T15:22:20 < zyp> semihosting should work, but it takes a lot of time
2015-12-12T15:22:29 < zyp> so it'll break stuff that requires strict timing
2015-12-12T15:23:08 < aep> oh so your stuff is faster?
2015-12-12T15:23:27 < aep> bit banged uart was too slow for me so i did i2c
2015-12-12T15:23:30 < zyp> it's as fast as is possible
2015-12-12T15:23:31 < zyp> haha
2015-12-12T15:23:36 < zyp> any printing would be too slow
2015-12-12T15:23:46 < zyp> the disadvantage with rblog is that it isn't realtime
2015-12-12T15:23:50 < aep> nah 80Mhz i2c is pretty good :P
2015-12-12T15:23:57 < aep> realtime as in?
2015-12-12T15:23:58 < zyp> you halt the cpu in the debugger and read out the log afterwards
2015-12-12T15:24:06 < aep> ah yes
2015-12-12T15:24:11 < zyp> good for figuring out what happened right before a crash
2015-12-12T15:24:17 < zyp> not so good for monitoring a running system
2015-12-12T15:24:27 < aep> yeah that might not work for me
2015-12-12T15:24:44 < aep> i really like my i2c solution, except the part where i have to keep a second device around
2015-12-12T15:24:48 < aep> its fast and relyable
2015-12-12T15:24:53 < zyp> anyway, my ferry trip is over, I'll have to continue driving
2015-12-12T15:24:57 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/photos/i-wzB6MxD/0/O/i-wzB6MxD.jpg
2015-12-12T15:25:00 < zyp> stick around and I'll talk to you later
2015-12-12T15:25:00 < ReadError> ;o
2015-12-12T15:25:02 < aep> lata
2015-12-12T15:25:11 < ReadError> quite acceptable result
2015-12-12T15:25:28 < aep> ReadError: is that etched?
2015-12-12T15:25:32 < aep> it looks horrible :D
2015-12-12T15:25:40 < ReadError> nah i got one of those gay little vinyl cutters
2015-12-12T15:25:53 < aep> oh for that its quite good
2015-12-12T15:26:09 < ReadError> its on a transparency
2015-12-12T15:26:20 < ReadError> the edges look raised but its really flat
2015-12-12T15:26:39 < aep> ah
2015-12-12T15:27:25 < ReadError> that .4mm pitch qfn was a pain in the dick though
2015-12-12T15:27:45 < aep> i worked with plastic stencils once, never again
2015-12-12T15:27:59 < dongs> i looked at plastic stencil once
2015-12-12T15:28:04 < dongs> then threw it right in the trash
2015-12-12T15:28:22 < ReadError> well ya, anything serious i would get a 17$ china steel one
2015-12-12T15:28:33 < ReadError> but im not a srs person
2015-12-12T15:28:46 < aep> :D
2015-12-12T15:29:29 < ReadError> this, just cat file.txt > /dev/usb/lp0
2015-12-12T15:29:40 < ReadError> then it comes out, no wait or $$
2015-12-12T15:31:45 < aep> yeah i wish i had that
2015-12-12T15:31:58 < aep> still not worth the pain of actually working with it
2015-12-12T15:32:33 < aep> i'm hoping for this pick and place robot thing to become real
2015-12-12T15:32:47 < aep> like below 1K
2015-12-12T15:33:08 < ReadError> which?
2015-12-12T15:33:30 < aep> there are a bunch, i forgot. kickstarter
2015-12-12T15:33:39 < aep> all look like they'll suck big time in reality
2015-12-12T15:34:00 < dongs> lol dickstarter dicnplace
2015-12-12T15:34:05 < aep> but everyone wants one, so someone is going to make one eventually that doesnt suck :)
2015-12-12T15:37:26 < ReadError> http://visionbot.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/VisionBot-Pick-and-Place-machine.jpg wth
2015-12-12T15:37:55 < dongs> aids
2015-12-12T15:38:17 < Laurenceb> lol the power boards
2015-12-12T15:38:20 < Laurenceb> lurn to solder
2015-12-12T15:39:20 < ReadError> seems like they could have done a better feeder system
2015-12-12T15:41:07 < ReadError> https://www.vbesmens.de/en/pick-and-place/automatic-feeder.html
2015-12-12T15:41:16 < ReadError> this german has a pretty nice low cost solution
2015-12-12T15:41:18 < jpa-> ReadError: hmm that's pretty nice for vinyl cutter
2015-12-12T15:41:32 < ReadError> but he wrote everything in delphi ;(
2015-12-12T15:42:13 < ReadError> jpa- yea should work good enough for me, will get better once i get some proper material and the 60 degree blade
2015-12-12T15:42:50 < dongs> fuck blogs that still open pics in lightbox even if oyu shift-click
2015-12-12T15:42:55 < dongs> page closed, care level = 0
2015-12-12T15:43:28 < ReadError> that guy did so much shit
2015-12-12T15:43:50 < dongs> he coulda installed blog software that respects my freedoms of images in new window
2015-12-12T15:43:53 < ReadError> made literally everything
2015-12-12T15:45:07 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY1u0AX-bms
2015-12-12T15:45:11 < ReadError> servos are really nice too
2015-12-12T15:46:12 < dongs> i spot a dickit3
2015-12-12T15:46:15 < dongs> page closed
2015-12-12T15:46:59 < ReadError> yes, its all PIC and Delphi
2015-12-12T15:47:12 < ReadError> germans seem to love delphi though
2015-12-12T15:47:45 < jpa-> ReadError: i've been wondering how i could best make stencils with my cnc.. attaching a knife is one option
2015-12-12T15:48:11 < ReadError> jpa- yea, but backlash will make it very hard
2015-12-12T15:48:28 < jpa-> backlash of what?
2015-12-12T15:48:34 < ReadError> the leadscrew
2015-12-12T15:49:05 < jpa-> hmm, it's about 0.05mm or less, how will it matter?
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2015-12-12T15:49:29 < jpa-> it mills pcbs just fine
2015-12-12T15:49:48 < ReadError> you can buy drag knifes that go in spindle
2015-12-12T15:49:51 < BrainDamage> why not add a conical mill tip and just use that?
2015-12-12T15:49:53 < ReadError> worth a try
2015-12-12T15:49:54 < Getty> oh yeah the recent internet core attack was coming from smartphones and "its as serious as it can get"
2015-12-12T15:49:54 < Getty> lol
2015-12-12T15:50:08 < jpa-> BrainDamage: yeah, i've considered that - but wondered what material to mill
2015-12-12T15:50:16 < jpa-> aluminum or brass sheet seems a good option
2015-12-12T15:50:34 < ReadError> i want to try the etching aluminum method
2015-12-12T15:50:49 < ReadError> since can UV expose and get pretty good resolution
2015-12-12T15:51:16 < BrainDamage> you can etch al with ferric chloride if you don't mind a lot of foam
2015-12-12T15:51:29 < jpa-> yeah - should buy some nice sheet metal.. tried aluminum can but it is all curved and bumpy
2015-12-12T15:52:02 < ReadError> i cant find photoresist film in the USA though ;(
2015-12-12T15:52:13 < jpa-> maybe use soldermask ink?
2015-12-12T15:52:37 < ReadError> i should ask upgrdman_
2015-12-12T15:52:42 < ReadError> think he laminates his own stuff
2015-12-12T15:52:43 < BrainDamage> you can air dry photoresist spray, all it takes is a cardboard box and a fan in a dark place
2015-12-12T15:52:54 < ReadError> BrainDamage yea, cant find that either
2015-12-12T15:52:55 < BrainDamage> the more annoying part is making an even coating
2015-12-12T15:53:00 < jpa-> ReadError: ebay?
2015-12-12T15:53:11 < ReadError> jpa- I want to say they stopped making it
2015-12-12T15:53:19 < jpa-> ?
2015-12-12T15:53:25 < ReadError> or even a while back when I looked it wasnt there (spray on)
2015-12-12T15:53:33 < jpa-> atleast photoresist film you can get easily from ebay
2015-12-12T15:54:53 < ReadError> yea, need to get some
2015-12-12T15:56:57 < PaulFertser> 9~v\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
2015-12-12T15:57:03 < PaulFertser> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvzv
2015-12-12T15:57:05 < dongs> err.
2015-12-12T15:57:06 < dongs> hji
2015-12-12T15:57:11 < ReadError> cat got ur keyboard?
2015-12-12T15:57:23 < PaulFertser> -_
2015-12-12T15:57:40 < dongs> aborted jap smiley
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2015-12-12T16:02:46 < PaulFertser> zyp: why doesn't it read out the ram without halting
2015-12-12T16:03:46 < PaulFertser> Yeah, cat' sorry.
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2015-12-12T16:14:10 < zyp> PaulFertser, because I haven't played much around with async mode in gdb
2015-12-12T16:14:15 < zyp> might do in the future
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2015-12-12T16:21:31 < PaulFertser> zyp: another possible option (unless you use BMP) would be to connect to a dedicated Tcl RPC socket of openocd, you can do it with any language easily.
2015-12-12T16:21:54 < PaulFertser> I'm not sure openocd is fully usable in gdb async mode :(
2015-12-12T16:23:07 < zyp> but I do use BMP
2015-12-12T16:23:14 < zyp> which should have some async support
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2015-12-12T16:27:23 < PaulFertser> zyp: iirc gdb server doesn't need to explicitly support async mode, it should just behave properly according to the protocol.
2015-12-12T16:29:15 < zyp> hmm, unsure
2015-12-12T16:29:25 < zyp> but let's leave that discussion for another time
2015-12-12T16:31:26 < dongs> damn, im so fucking ocd
2015-12-12T16:31:34 < dongs> i laid out something inside a room
2015-12-12T16:31:38 < dongs> but when i move the room
2015-12-12T16:31:44 < dongs> parts x/y isnt 0.1mm aligne anymore
2015-12-12T16:31:54 < dongs> so now i have to figure out how to re-snap them all to 0.1 and remake room
2015-12-12T16:44:26 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/KYRCr5H.gifv
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2015-12-12T16:46:49 < PeterM> normally i'd say that is dumb AF but it is supposedly easier on your leg muscles and your joints compared to standard cycling - no reason for it to be so XBOX HUEG though
2015-12-12T16:47:07 < zyp> haha
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2015-12-12T16:47:27 < dongs> WTF
2015-12-12T16:47:34 < dongs> as soon as i rotate or drag a room, shit becomes offset
2015-12-12T16:47:40 < dongs> even tho room is at 0.1 snap too
2015-12-12T16:47:42 < dongs> ?!?!?!
2015-12-12T16:47:55 < BrainDamage> i seriously hope the threadmill has a freewheel mechanism, or during braking you'll slam your legs on the back
2015-12-12T16:48:20 < PeterM> it likely has a free-wheelign clutch yeah
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2015-12-12T16:48:27 < zyp> BrainDamage, I think it's electric, so the threadmill probably doesn't contribute
2015-12-12T16:48:38 < PeterM> lol
2015-12-12T16:49:19 < dongs> lol
2015-12-12T16:49:28 < dongs> so its just uh...
2015-12-12T16:49:33 < dongs> dumb anyway?
2015-12-12T16:49:44 < PeterM> lemmeh see, i gotta playback controls this shit
2015-12-12T16:50:38 < ReadError> aww cant gyfcat
2015-12-12T16:50:42 < PeterM> yeah seems to have 'lectric motor on it
2015-12-12T16:50:47 < mitrax> https://lopifit.com/about-lopifit/
2015-12-12T16:51:26 < dongs> 1899 eur
2015-12-12T16:52:01 < PeterM> get rid of treadmill, fit unfderfoot area with nissan leaf cells, fly to the fukken moon
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2015-12-12T16:52:47 < dongs> 5. Can you go backwards on the Lopifit?
2015-12-12T16:52:47 < dongs> Unfortunately you cannot perform a moonwalk with the Lopifit.
2015-12-12T16:53:04 < PeterM> cllearly they dont know what the fucking moonwalk is
2015-12-12T16:53:04 < BrainDamage> i actually considered using a pair of hobby brushless overpowered motors and diy and electric transmission for my bike, then i calculated how much weight all of this junk would add, combined with the weight of the fixed torque converters and i shitcanned the idea
2015-12-12T16:54:22 < PeterM> BrainDamage, or get motors that are wound right for the job
2015-12-12T16:54:35 < BrainDamage> hub motors are $$$
2015-12-12T16:54:35 < ReadError> yea dont need high KV
2015-12-12T16:58:21 < PeterM> depending on the bike, like 50kv + appropriate geating is sufficient
2015-12-12T16:58:42 < ReadError> you wont find many hobby motors in that range
2015-12-12T16:58:54 < bloated> http://www.jetcatusa.com/rc-turbines/turbine-details/p200-sx/
2015-12-12T16:58:58 < PeterM> you will for boats
2015-12-12T16:59:01 < aep> does anyone have a schematic for the red stlink-v2 clones?
2015-12-12T16:59:51 < dongs> 'red'?
2015-12-12T17:00:12 < aep> http://www.icstation.com/images/big/productimages/2746/2746.JPG
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2015-12-12T17:00:20 < aep> the schematics i found doesnt match
2015-12-12T17:00:29 < dongs> er, isn't all stlink same schematic
2015-12-12T17:00:33 < dongs> just look at any -=discovery board
2015-12-12T17:00:40 < dongs> cuz they 'rea ll using ST firmware
2015-12-12T17:00:46 < dongs> so the actual control pins must be all in same place
2015-12-12T17:01:05 < aep> oh good point
2015-12-12T17:01:11 < aep> then i wonder why blackmagicprobe doesnt work on this
2015-12-12T17:01:40 < dongs> does it fit into C8?
2015-12-12T17:01:47 < dongs> wel;,l i geuss it should cuz real STLinks at C8 also
2015-12-12T17:02:03 < aep> c8?
2015-12-12T17:02:15 < dongs> stm32f103c8
2015-12-12T17:02:21 < aep> ah yes
2015-12-12T17:02:31 < aep> it runs, just the led wont turn on
2015-12-12T17:02:43 < mitrax> what's the point of those clones when a genuine st link is like $18 ?
2015-12-12T17:02:44 < aep> same thing for another board, and i dont understand the gpio code
2015-12-12T17:03:02 < dongs> mitrax: genuine stlink WITH some -disco board is <$18
2015-12-12T17:03:11 < dongs> i think F0/F1 disco is like $11 or so?
2015-12-12T17:03:31 < dongs> aep: youre developing for stm32 and dont understand gpio code?
2015-12-12T17:03:35 < mitrax> dongs: i mean the one with the case jtag connector, not the one embedded on the disco board
2015-12-12T17:03:35 < aep> its smaller :P
2015-12-12T17:03:38 < PeterM> the tiny st-link clones are nice because you dont have a disco flapping around everywhere waiting to short out on shit
2015-12-12T17:03:52 < dongs> PeterM: the ones that come in USB stick case?
2015-12-12T17:03:55 < dongs> -ish
2015-12-12T17:03:55 < aep> yep what PeterM said
2015-12-12T17:04:01 < aep> i like my desk tidy
2015-12-12T17:04:13 < dongs> i like my jlink debugger
2015-12-12T17:04:16 < PeterM> the ones that are about the size of a usb stick, yes
2015-12-12T17:04:23 < mitrax> what's wrong with this http://uk.farnell.com/productimages/large/en_GB/1892523-40.jpg ?
2015-12-12T17:04:39 < PeterM> i liek them because i DONT like my desk tidy - safer
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2015-12-12T17:05:06 < aep> mitrax: kinda ugly, but meh
2015-12-12T17:05:45 < PeterM> mitrax i dont mind em but functionalty doesnt differ from the $3 ones so why not
2015-12-12T17:05:56 < aep> sourcing stuff from the US to europe is very annoying, i also just buy china stuff because its less work
2015-12-12T17:08:31 < mitrax> okay i didn't think the clones were that cheap
2015-12-12T17:11:18 < ReadError> the nucleo comes w/ a snapoff one for 11$
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2015-12-12T17:51:12 < ReadError> Remember, this price is to f**k other competitors. We sell cheap does not mean this motor is low quality.
2015-12-12T17:51:25 < ReadError> love that chinese 'honesty'
2015-12-12T17:52:21 < scummos> does it actually say that :D
2015-12-12T17:52:23 < scummos> nice
2015-12-12T17:53:52 < ReadError> http://www.rcmart.hk/rcx-h2208-1100kv-multirotor-outrunner-brushless-motor-motion-balanced-p-8782.html
2015-12-12T17:54:46 < dongs> 90 grams?!
2015-12-12T17:55:29 < ReadError> shipping weight
2015-12-12T17:56:38 < aep> is this a standard way of setting up uart? i can't get it to work (drives no pin at all) https://github.com/blacksphere/blackmagic/blob/master/src/platforms/stlink/platform.h#L97
2015-12-12T17:56:56 < dongs> that looks like libopencm3 way
2015-12-12T17:56:58 < aep> whats the GPIO_MODE_OUTPUT_2_MHZ supposed to do anyway
2015-12-12T17:57:07 < dongs> just drive strentgh
2015-12-12T17:57:09 < dongs> doesnt matter
2015-12-12T17:57:11 < dongs> it cant be wrong
2015-12-12T17:57:18 < aep> aye
2015-12-12T18:04:36 < Steffanx> sure it can be wrong. It can be set too low.
2015-12-12T18:04:46 < aep> i'd see it on the scope tho
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2015-12-12T18:14:05 < aep> is the usb hardware on a fixed pin?
2015-12-12T18:14:15 < aep> i cant find any code that sets the pin for rx
2015-12-12T18:14:19 < aep> *uart
2015-12-12T18:15:02 < TheSeven> aep: which chip?
2015-12-12T18:15:37 < dongs> aep, usb is fixed.
2015-12-12T18:15:49 < aep> STM32F103
2015-12-12T18:15:50 < dongs> TheSeven: F103C8
2015-12-12T18:15:57 < aep> sorry i meant uart not usb
2015-12-12T18:17:46 < dongs> uart is fairly fixed-ish on F1 too
2015-12-12T18:17:55 < dongs> probably its on standard mapping on stlink
2015-12-12T18:18:13 < TheSeven> F1 pin mapping is a huge mess altogether
2015-12-12T18:18:20 < aep> bah
2015-12-12T18:18:39 < aep> that explains why it doesnt work
2015-12-12T18:18:40 < TheSeven> I prefer the F0/F2/F4 chips for that reason
2015-12-12T18:19:13 < aep> i bought this thing because of blackmagicprobe actually
2015-12-12T18:19:29 < aep> the only swd with a builtin uart :/
2015-12-12T18:22:25 < TheSeven> well, does any of the broken out pins support uart?
2015-12-12T18:22:34 < TheSeven> otherwise you might have to wire up something fiddly
2015-12-12T18:22:44 < aep> i dunno. reading the spec now
2015-12-12T18:22:46 < dongs> doesnt stlink use usart1 at pa9 or wahtever?
2015-12-12T18:23:03 < aep> pretty sure not. pa9 is an led :P
2015-12-12T18:23:17 < dongs> well, i not gonna open discovery schematic for you
2015-12-12T18:23:17 < TheSeven> if they do, then it's most certainly not broken out - that module only has the usual SWD/RST/SWIM pins broken out
2015-12-12T18:23:36 < aep> yeah exactly
2015-12-12T18:23:40 < aep> i was trying to map uart on swim
2015-12-12T18:24:05 < TheSeven> unlikely that this pin supports it - you probably have a total of 2 or 3 pins to choose from
2015-12-12T18:24:16 < dongs> er
2015-12-12T18:24:21 < dongs> you arent going to "map" uart to another pin
2015-12-12T18:24:24 < dongs> that it isnt already on
2015-12-12T18:24:25 < dongs> on F1
2015-12-12T18:24:30 < aep> right
2015-12-12T18:25:35 < aep> yeah the datasheet says pa9
2015-12-12T18:26:13 < TheSeven> which, if it goes to the LED, might actually be one of the pins that could be reworked more easily than others
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2015-12-12T18:26:44 < aep> eh, i can just bond wire some stuff
2015-12-12T18:28:25 < aep> or not... this thing only has one uart apparantly
2015-12-12T18:33:21 < PaulFertser> aep: I've soldered to both stlink's uarts, it's ok to solder directly to the pis.
2015-12-12T18:34:25 < aep> yeah
2015-12-12T18:34:33 < aep> did you do this with an stlink thingy?
2015-12-12T18:34:53 < aep> i'm going to check with a scope first if uart2 turns on. looks like those pins are free
2015-12-12T18:37:14 < aep> nope. damnit
2015-12-12T18:38:12 < aep> maybe i'm looking at the wrong pin. the spec is missing the alingment dot.  the dot on the case is on pin 1 right?
2015-12-12T18:38:14 < PaulFertser> aep: yes, with stlink that's on vldisco board
2015-12-12T18:38:25 < PaulFertser> aep: there're two dots on the case.
2015-12-12T18:38:39 < PaulFertser> You're looking for smaller iirc
2015-12-12T18:38:39 < dongs> er not on f1...
2015-12-12T18:38:47 < aep> bah
2015-12-12T18:39:25 < aep> there's a physical marker which doesn't align with the font, yeah
2015-12-12T18:39:27 < aep> great
2015-12-12T18:39:31 < aep> and none of those are in the spec
2015-12-12T18:40:02 < aep> oh it is, far down. says the physical thing is pin 1
2015-12-12T18:45:57 < TheSeven> aep: while you're looking at the pins... which pin is the reset output connected to?
2015-12-12T18:46:06 < aep> PB6
2015-12-12T18:46:20 < aep> and SWIM on PB11 or PB8, i dunno
2015-12-12T18:48:29 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxILVYQpTOo
2015-12-12T18:48:31 < dongs> lmaoed
2015-12-12T18:48:32 < Laurenceb> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=38577.0;attach=1084305;image
2015-12-12T18:48:37 < Laurenceb> emdrive.png
2015-12-12T18:48:37 < dongs> Laurenceb: click plz
2015-12-12T18:48:50 < dongs> Laurenceb: nice mspaint
2015-12-12T18:49:04 < Laurenceb> lol the gun
2015-12-12T18:50:19 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM0ml0Yjh3s
2015-12-12T18:50:22 < dongs> Laurenceb: http://i.imgur.com/8dE8xes.png fixed
2015-12-12T18:50:48 < Laurenceb> lul
2015-12-12T18:50:54 < jpa-> looks like kakimir's pcb
2015-12-12T18:50:55 < dongs> plz repaste in thread
2015-12-12T18:53:28 < upgrdman_> dongs, do you know if the usb3 hub in the up2414q is powered?
2015-12-12T18:53:46 < dongs> it is of course
2015-12-12T18:54:04 < dongs> self-powered, and provides lots of current
2015-12-12T18:54:11 < dongs> but its a complete fucking cunt to reach to any of the ports
2015-12-12T18:54:15 < dongs> except the back one
2015-12-12T18:55:01 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-12-12T18:55:19 < upgrdman_> ok cool. it'll be usedful with my bro4 then, since it only has one usb port
2015-12-12T18:57:16 < aep> so i did while(1) uart_send_blocking() and now i have HF junk on the TX pin. ehh
2015-12-12T18:57:50 < aep> looks like a pulse
2015-12-12T18:58:39 < aep> yes thats the cpu clock. great
2015-12-12T18:59:04 < aep> is stm stuff always so hard? :D
2015-12-12T19:00:43 < Laurenceb> wtf
2015-12-12T19:00:44 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=phf4tfKuuzo
2015-12-12T19:03:08 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/yHBrg5b
2015-12-12T19:04:52 < TheSeven> aep: especially F1 chips can be annoying at times... F0/F2 feels sooo much better
2015-12-12T19:05:42 < aep> glad i chose the best intro :P
2015-12-12T19:06:37 < TheSeven> I also prefer to not use this hardware abstraction layer - it sometimes just hides away too much stuff from you to prevent you from understanding what's really going on
2015-12-12T19:06:59 < TheSeven> I usually read the datasheets and reference manual first, then implement my own drivers
2015-12-12T19:08:28 < aep> actually i have good experience with RTOS like riot-os
2015-12-12T19:08:41 < aep> but this blackmagicprobe code... jeez
2015-12-12T19:08:59 < aep> anyway. found the uart. totally different pin
2015-12-12T19:09:00 < dongs> what the hell
2015-12-12T19:09:12 < dongs> why are all these fucking shitty OSs
2015-12-12T19:09:25 < aep> huh?
2015-12-12T19:09:26 < dongs> and another hal shit..
2015-12-12T19:09:27 < dongs> fuck
2015-12-12T19:09:29 < dongs> RIOT-OS
2015-12-12T19:09:59 < TheSeven> aep: ignore dongs, he's just ranting about the next best thing that he stumbles upon all day ;)
2015-12-12T19:10:20 < dongs> nice.. ppolled i2c driver in hal
2015-12-12T19:10:24 < TheSeven> especially about anything zano related :P
2015-12-12T19:11:01 < aep> yeah i'm not new to the internet :P
2015-12-12T19:11:20 < aep> oh i'd rant about zano all day if i had backed them ;)
2015-12-12T19:11:55 < dongs> i didn't and i can still rant about them
2015-12-12T19:12:19 < aep> sure
2015-12-12T19:12:28 < aep> damn, what i 'found' was usb not uart. bleh
2015-12-12T19:12:44 < aep> its the only pin that does anything
2015-12-12T19:13:19 < Steffanx> you're actually not talking about it much anymore lately mr dongs
2015-12-12T19:13:30 < dongs> er the fuck is there to talk about
2015-12-12T19:13:34 < dongs> they're gone
2015-12-12T19:13:40 < dongs> dead as *bsd
2015-12-12T19:13:44 < aep> PaulFertser: what kinda stuff did you do with the stlink uart? can you share? i wanne check at least if someone elses code works
2015-12-12T19:13:46 < Steffanx> deader*
2015-12-12T19:13:51 < Steffanx> than *
2015-12-12T19:15:25 < aep> i actually worked for a kickstarter scam before
2015-12-12T19:15:55 < dongs> how much did you scam
2015-12-12T19:16:05 < aep> not me. i left the company after a week
2015-12-12T19:16:15 < aep> dunno 50K or something
2015-12-12T19:16:24 < dongs> oh that was barely enough to pay the boss salary
2015-12-12T19:16:36 < aep> he did it 4 times
2015-12-12T19:16:55 < dongs> thats called "serial enterpreneur"
2015-12-12T19:16:58 < aep> at least 4 that i know before i stopped checking :P
2015-12-12T19:17:01 < aep> yeah
2015-12-12T19:17:19 < Laurenceb> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ofF3LpfRp-rLE2AcOx6zb396WdRs97zeOT2gXkjTXuKK0VTgzZLc8wS-QdTxu_B3HFdfc-cZgStV6DXuH5_NWS07LXcjPCpejyI9CmU-JH8Jb8CD9GSgcrcJE6Ypl0-Z_42BMhOgJMGHv1E4Tjb--ZhADLnTjveLFdr958a66gpSW04etmbx3eSO_a3maVBTbHFw6t-UrQ91FJzeiujoc34JNksRukHxdk4M_o0kFBJT7GKpD4ALi07rhnEDkxFQaQSw2gk99OV6oNsw8gkgxWloYQVV5cpd7JmZuRA7lXQegineEonf5t000lXPd-IJheVKua8rBcV3dXpVha-3GRiaF_grAC45Z5AP0TWrNV0l2Qrne2VvsYplzcoCDFwrcz2
2015-12-12T19:17:19 < Laurenceb> p72Y_XAo4gOdWnDOy7hPBwI5Z5j8qEGM44SmxE5eUrPQTTc3ZqkLDr4VAFU9IVpnGzQa3uMpHqXsoz9g5HAkQuNTNe5HCiQzlLprAGTYYUHf2QXnT1leipSuXzQX_aYQVxK__3Oz22NA35dMdYb6txNaLXPoE26WmZkvDTiR_7zRU2ckczg2JPbBmyvfEYc0=w1078-h808-no
2015-12-12T19:17:25 < dongs> cool url bro
2015-12-12T19:17:25 < Laurenceb> ooh shit sorry
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2015-12-12T19:17:43 < Steffanx> Not the first time you do that mr Laurenceb
2015-12-12T19:20:21 < dongs> GHA
2015-12-12T19:20:22 < dongs> gah
2015-12-12T19:20:35 < dongs> that riot shit also thinks they should rename standard cmsis names for interrupt vectors
2015-12-12T19:20:38 < dongs> fuck anything that does that
2015-12-12T19:22:35 < Laurenceb> It's worth noting 19 people (as in active members with posts etc, not Chinese shoe discount spammers) have been banned in the history of NSF (10+ years. NINETEEN. I doubt there's any forum in the world this size with that few bans. However, nine are from the EM Drive thread
2015-12-12T19:22:37 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-12-12T19:22:54 < dongs> lol
2015-12-12T19:23:56 < dongs> i wonder how many people were banned on zano forum
2015-12-12T19:24:22 < PaulFertser> aep: first thing was to connect to stm32f1's bootloader via serial to reflash stlink with bmp. Second I do not remember, probably someone else was using that second uart as a virtual ACM port of BMP. I'm using the first UART for that, the code is BMP-for-stlink with a minimal mod to use the first uart.
2015-12-12T19:27:49 < aep> PaulFertser: that's exactly what i'm trying to do
2015-12-12T19:27:59 < aep> PaulFertser: the uart code does nothing for me. drives no pin
2015-12-12T19:28:06 < Steffanx> is there any forum you've never been banned dongs?
2015-12-12T19:28:07 < aep> can you share your stuff?
2015-12-12T19:28:16 < dongs> aep, what the fuck are you trying to do
2015-12-12T19:28:23 < dongs> how are you flashing BMP on that thing
2015-12-12T19:28:25 < dongs> in the first place?
2015-12-12T19:28:27 < dongs> uart bootloader?
2015-12-12T19:28:28 < dongs> via SWD?
2015-12-12T19:28:32 < aep> swd yeah
2015-12-12T19:28:42 < aep> it has a 1.27mm header on the bottom
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2015-12-12T19:31:20 < dongs> to make it use uart, you'll need to either use the ones BMP is hardcoded to do
2015-12-12T19:31:46 < dongs> or else you'll have to change power up, init, irqs to move from say uart1 to uart2 or 3.
2015-12-12T19:32:14 < aep> yeah, the thing is, its already set to uart2, but the gpio setup for TX is on a wrong pin
2015-12-12T19:32:17 < aep> which is weird
2015-12-12T19:32:19 < mitrax> what do you guys recommend for protecting a 3.3V board from overvoltage (if the power supply goes haywire or due to a user mistake)? fuse/polyswitch along with a low voltage transil (e.g SMLVT3V3) ?
2015-12-12T19:33:01 < PaulFertser> aep: no idea why I did it this way (by adding another "platform") but here it is: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0a9e4e2d/
2015-12-12T19:33:20 < aep> PaulFertser: thanks!
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2015-12-12T19:35:53 < aep> meh your uart init makes so much more sense
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2015-12-12T19:36:43 < dongs> but  does it respect my freedoms
2015-12-12T19:37:08 < Laurenceb> trump.init
2015-12-12T19:37:14 < aep> lol
2015-12-12T19:37:29 < PaulFertser> aep: I don't think I've changed anything compared to the original stlink platform code.
2015-12-12T19:37:41 < aep> PaulFertser: do you know if the uart will run fine under a scope? or does it expect some sort of load or pull?
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2015-12-12T19:37:49 < aep> yeah might be just older code
2015-12-12T19:38:14 < PaulFertser> wow, I've implemented semihosting support for bmp from scratch, didn't remember that.
2015-12-12T19:38:23 < PaulFertser> aep: it doesn't
2015-12-12T19:38:39 < PaulFertser> aep: uart is always push-pull, so you should see it with a 'scope just fine.
2015-12-12T19:38:43 < aep> aye
2015-12-12T19:38:57 < aep> semihost support on the target?
2015-12-12T19:39:05 < aep> if yes, can i have that? :)
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2015-12-12T19:40:45 < PaulFertser> aep: same semihosting as with openocd.
2015-12-12T19:41:09 < PaulFertser> aep: was upstreamed as soon as I got it working.
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2015-12-12T19:42:56 < aep> ah to bmp
2015-12-12T19:43:15 < aep> noep your code doesnt work either. no drive on any pin
2015-12-12T19:43:20 < aep> i dont get iut
2015-12-12T19:43:30 < aep> are there some sort of 'fuses' or whatever on stm?
2015-12-12T19:43:37 < dongs> hahaha
2015-12-12T19:43:46 < dongs> have you discovered the BMP virus?
2015-12-12T19:43:47 < aep> PaulFertser: maybe my compiler is broken, can you send me your binary?
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2015-12-12T19:45:17 < PaulFertser> aep: I'm afraid I do not know what binary I've actually flashed, and can't really check right now.
2015-12-12T19:45:31 < aep> aye thx
2015-12-12T19:45:38 < PaulFertser> aep: there actually are "option bytes" but they're unlikely to have any effect.
2015-12-12T19:45:45 < PaulFertser> In this case.
2015-12-12T19:46:10 < dongs> doesnt option byte have flash page protection stuff in it
2015-12-12T19:46:16 < dongs> that BMP sets without asking
2015-12-12T19:46:25 < aep> i'd have noticed that i suppose
2015-12-12T19:46:31 < dongs> like a fucking virus
2015-12-12T19:46:35 < dongs> well, i did
2015-12-12T19:46:44 < dongs> when i flashed some broken usb bootloader for bmp
2015-12-12T19:46:48 < dongs> and it promptly protected itself
2015-12-12T19:46:55 < dongs> so I could no longer erase the board again
2015-12-12T19:47:03 < aep> thing is, the whole usb init works. i get two usb devices. but a simple for loop on uart_write doesnt do anything
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2015-12-12T19:47:41 < aep> oh. i trashed a board with that 'dfu' stuff, yeah. whatever that is
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2015-12-12T19:49:36 < PaulFertser> dongs: it did protect its dfu bootloader (not sure if still does), but the protection is easy to remove, at least it's trivial with openocd via swd.
2015-12-12T19:49:57 < dongs> PaulFertser: no its not easy to remove
2015-12-12T19:50:04 < dongs> it does it on EVERY STARTUP
2015-12-12T19:50:23 < PaulFertser> dongs: but you remove it once before flashing, then flash, what's the problem?
2015-12-12T19:50:39 < PaulFertser> I did it myself just a week ago or so when was playing with some board.
2015-12-12T19:50:40 < dongs> i dont know, its 3am and im just trolling
2015-12-12T19:50:48 < dongs> time toget stoned
2015-12-12T19:50:48 < dongs> bbl
2015-12-12T19:51:06 < aep> that explains alot
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2015-12-12T19:58:33 < aep> omg i found it...
2015-12-12T19:58:37 < aep> i had my scope in ms
2015-12-12T19:58:43 < aep> of course you dont see shit in ms
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2015-12-12T20:20:45 < ReadError> upgrdman_ !
2015-12-12T20:20:52 < upgrdman_> what
2015-12-12T20:20:59 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/photos/i-wzB6MxD/0/O/i-wzB6MxD.jpg
2015-12-12T20:21:07 < ReadError> you was axing about that vinyl thing and stencil
2015-12-12T20:21:13 < upgrdman_> yes
2015-12-12T20:21:15 < upgrdman_> very nice
2015-12-12T20:21:23 < upgrdman_> that was with your silouette thing?
2015-12-12T20:21:25 < ReadError> 0.4mm qfn at the top
2015-12-12T20:21:27 < ReadError> ya
2015-12-12T20:21:50 < ReadError> will further optimize setup, should get even better
2015-12-12T20:21:51 < upgrdman_> me gusta
2015-12-12T20:22:01 < ReadError> thats w/ the 45 deg blade
2015-12-12T20:22:11 < ReadError> 60 and better material will be nicer
2015-12-12T20:22:45 < upgrdman_> did the bits fly off while cutting? or did you use a sticky backing?
2015-12-12T20:22:51 < ReadError> sticky back
2015-12-12T20:22:56 < ReadError> but I read this great idea
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2015-12-12T20:23:17 < ReadError> you take some self adhesive paper label
2015-12-12T20:23:25 < ReadError> stick that to the back
2015-12-12T20:23:26 < jpa-> ReadError: does your cutter turn the knife or is it working as a "drag knife"?
2015-12-12T20:23:39 < ReadError> then when it cuts it doesnt go into the sticky backing
2015-12-12T20:23:54 < ReadError> and you just soak it in warm water after and the sticky comes off
2015-12-12T20:24:08 < ReadError> jpa- it rotates
2015-12-12T20:24:17 < ReadError> but the software has some stuff to 'align' the knife before the cut
2015-12-12T20:24:52 < aep> bleh. anyone seen st-flash just exit with no error and doing nothing?
2015-12-12T20:24:56 < ReadError> goes off to the side and makes a 1.5cm 'drag' to get the blade in position
2015-12-12T20:25:02 < jpa-> aep: use openocd
2015-12-12T20:25:12 < aep> too lazy
2015-12-12T20:25:15 < aep> but yeah
2015-12-12T20:25:44 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/STM32_Trace_Example/blob/master/Makefile   copypaste
2015-12-12T20:26:04 < aep> thanks!
2015-12-12T20:26:19 < jpa-> np :P
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2015-12-12T20:32:08 < aep> oh i see, its the protection shit dongs was whining about
2015-12-12T20:32:16 < aep> openocd has so much better errors indeed :D
2015-12-12T20:35:54 < PaulFertser> aep: just use -c "program /path/to/elf.elf unlock verify reset exit"
2015-12-12T20:36:04 < PaulFertser> aep: that's all you need apart from sourcing the adapter and target config.
2015-12-12T20:36:12 < aep> oh elf even has the offset?
2015-12-12T20:36:21 < PaulFertser> aep: of course, elf has everything inside
2015-12-12T20:36:26 < PaulFertser> And is properly parsed.
2015-12-12T20:36:32 < aep> aye
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2015-12-12T21:48:45 < bloated> anyone know how to download Chinese patents ? http://www.google.com/patents/CN301728200S?cl=en
2015-12-12T21:51:35 < Steffanx> Laurenceb is our patent expert.
2015-12-12T21:54:03 < aep> chineese have patents?
2015-12-12T21:54:36 < ReadError> they have: copy? right"
2015-12-12T21:55:27 < aep> or is their patent database more like github?
2015-12-12T21:55:54 < BrainDamage> they have a right to copy
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2015-12-12T22:33:26 < aep> zyp: so how do you use the BMP with the nrf?
2015-12-12T22:33:33 < aep> i couldnt find any wiki page
2015-12-12T22:33:42 < aep> and of course its not as obvious as load and run :D
2015-12-12T22:34:08 < PaulFertser> aep: it is the same as with any other target, the flsh driver is upstream.
2015-12-12T22:34:38 < PaulFertser> You should be able to "load".
2015-12-12T22:34:49 < aep> i doubt it. there is a propriatary blob you need to run
2015-12-12T22:34:56 < aep> yeah sure, that works. just doesnt run
2015-12-12T22:35:23 < aep> like all i get is corrupt stack and the app wont boot
2015-12-12T22:35:45 < aep> probably there is some magic dance you need to make the 'softdevice' work
2015-12-12T22:38:22 < PaulFertser> aep: like this: https://github.com/richardeoin/nrf51-gcc-blackmagic ?
2015-12-12T22:38:39 < aep> i'm disecting that atm yes
2015-12-12T22:38:57 < aep> i dont understand how its supposed to work, since it sources a gdb file thats not in the repo
2015-12-12T22:40:48 < upgrdman_> ReadError, was it you that has used an ftdi mpsse cable?
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2015-12-12T22:41:56 < aep> well that just does load on the blob. heh
2015-12-12T22:42:54 < PaulFertser> aep: that's because their makefile generates it.
2015-12-12T22:43:00 < aep> yeah got it
2015-12-12T22:43:19 < aep> just doesnt help. that's not how it works
2015-12-12T22:43:50 < aep> the offsets in the hex are usually wrong so i fix them manually with openocd. guess i'll have to do that with BMP as well
2015-12-12T22:44:12 < aep> (i dont even want BMP btw, all i want is swd+uart. meh)
2015-12-12T22:44:34 < PaulFertser> But they do not use hex softdevice, they use elf, probably they link it somehow.
2015-12-12T22:44:47 < PaulFertser> aep: why not do swd with stlink and uart with bmp then?
2015-12-12T22:44:55 < PaulFertser> Or you want to cut down on tools used?
2015-12-12T22:45:43 < aep> yeah exactly
2015-12-12T22:45:47 < aep> too much stuff on my desk
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2015-12-12T22:50:32 < Rob235> do you put IRQ handler prototypes in your header files?
2015-12-12T22:57:50 < Laurenceb> did someone say patents?
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2015-12-12T23:23:36 < Steffanx> op?
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2015-12-12T23:51:46 < aep> original poster. sorry, wrong medium for that acronym :P
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2015-12-12T23:53:16 < jadew> always wondered what that meant
2015-12-12T23:53:32 < jadew> and I found out on IRC
2015-12-12T23:57:11 < Laurenceb> other medium is... 4chan
2015-12-12T23:57:12 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-12-12T23:58:15 < jadew> I've seen it used on most forums
2015-12-12T23:58:29 < BrainDamage> i only know that op is a fag
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2015-12-13T00:00:32 < Steffanx> Then you as a sexy italian must hide BrainDamage :P
2015-12-13T00:00:57 < Steffanx> unless you like the attention ofcourse
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2015-12-13T00:57:42 < karlp> wow, how complicated is aep making his debug experience?
2015-12-13T01:04:28 < aep> unclear if you're trolling or want to be helpful
2015-12-13T01:08:05 < karlp> I think you went down a rabbit hole trying to reprogram china stlink clones
2015-12-13T01:08:35 < karlp> fwiw, I do remember reading some blog posts about how some/many of the china stlink clones actually have a broken pinout and don't do either reset or something else properly,
2015-12-13T01:08:49 < karlp> and someone had a hax0red fimrware you could reflash on them to fix that.
2015-12-13T01:08:51 < Fleck> works here
2015-12-13T01:09:00 < karlp> Fleck: yeah, it wasn't all of them
2015-12-13T01:09:05 < aep> yeah. mine are fine too
2015-12-13T01:09:10 < aep> lucky me
2015-12-13T01:09:23 < karlp> aep: if they're fine, why the fuck areyou trying to reflash and searchign for schematics and searchign for extra pins!
2015-12-13T01:09:26 < aep> well the reason i do that is because i want a flasher + uart
2015-12-13T01:09:38 < aep> because i'm reflashing them with my own stuff
2015-12-13T01:09:59 < karlp> wasn't your original problem tha tyo uwanted to "print" somethign when your nrf crashed?
2015-12-13T01:10:06 < aep> i want to get rid of some clutter on my desk and the stm f1 has a shitton of unused pins
2015-12-13T01:10:10 < aep> yeah i have that
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2015-12-13T01:10:35 < aep> but i use an external i2c to uart and another uart to usb for that
2015-12-13T01:10:54 < karlp> also, what is this "80mhz bitbang i2c" you're doing? that's ure not open collector i2c anymore, so how was bitbanging uart "slower" than bitbanging i2c?
2015-12-13T01:11:11 < Fleck> aep reminds me of dongs, same illness, shit this, shit that, they bouth so deep in shit they see only shit around them...
2015-12-13T01:11:27 < Fleck> *both
2015-12-13T01:11:40 < aep> ah well, i guess i'll just wait this out then
2015-12-13T01:12:18 < karlp> wait on what? you said it was all working :)
2015-12-13T01:12:48 < aep> the shitstorm
2015-12-13T01:13:12 < Fleck> or dongs just changed nick and I need to add new one in my ignore list? :D
2015-12-13T01:13:33 < zyp> aep, I have, yes
2015-12-13T01:13:52 < zyp> make sure you're running a fairly new BMP firmware
2015-12-13T01:14:07 < aep> yeah i got it working, thanks :)
2015-12-13T01:14:18 < aep> i reclaimed ##nordic btw
2015-12-13T01:14:23 < zyp> haha
2015-12-13T01:14:45 < zyp> it's fine to discuss nrf here
2015-12-13T01:15:08 < aep> aye
2015-12-13T01:18:54 < zyp> nrf is cortex-m and that's more on topic than at least half the chats here
2015-12-13T01:19:41 < karlp> anyone know of some pic programmer firmware for a disco board? ;)
2015-12-13T01:19:47 < karlp> or will I have to sue an AVR?
2015-12-13T01:19:50 < zyp> haha
2015-12-13T01:20:06 < zyp> maybe you can run an avr emulator on your disco board
2015-12-13T01:30:59 < karlp> maybe I should have bought a controller that wasn't run by a pic ;)
2015-12-13T01:31:50 < aep> pickit is kinda ok cheap
2015-12-13T01:32:04 < aep> pickit3 that is
2015-12-13T01:34:54 < karlp> fuck buying a programmer, what channel do you think this is? even you're busy reprogramming programmers on cheap boards :)
2015-12-13T01:35:11 < aep> heh
2015-12-13T01:35:25 < karlp> there's a pic programmer for arduino project and I have a teensy 2 around here for those sorts of things, so should get sorted
2015-12-13T01:36:29 < aep> actually this is the time where having an arduino comes in handy
2015-12-13T01:40:11 < upgrdman> anyone here used an ftdi ft232hl for spi? after i call SPI_InitChannel() the MISO line is driven to 2V by the ftdi. even with nothing connected to that pin.
2015-12-13T01:40:32 < upgrdman> well closer to 2.3V.
2015-12-13T01:41:00 < upgrdman> and that MISO line "fights" the spi slave if i connect the slave.
2015-12-13T01:47:28 < karlp> sure it's not anything else on the board?
2015-12-13T01:51:30 < upgrdman> i using an ftdi cable, not a pcb
2015-12-13T01:51:48 < upgrdman> with nothing plugged into the miso wire except for my oscope probe, it's driven to 2.3V
2015-12-13T01:52:53 < karlp> check the ftdi api notes I guess. might be more than SPI_InitChannel required
2015-12-13T01:53:31 < kakimir> zupp bubba!
2015-12-13T01:53:45 < upgrdman> ya lots more required. but the problem happens when i Step Over the init function
2015-12-13T01:53:49 < upgrdman> i'll reread the docs
2015-12-13T01:54:09 < kakimir> I think I need to add ground cable to my current measurement probe
2015-12-13T02:00:57 < kakimir> little cable and alligator
2015-12-13T02:01:33 < kakimir> to bind ground down and minimize common mode noise
2015-12-13T02:05:15 < kakimir> kill the chats!
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2015-12-13T02:32:32 < kakimir> leave then1
2015-12-13T02:32:34 < kakimir> !!!
2015-12-13T02:32:39 < kakimir> D:
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2015-12-13T03:07:49 < kakimir> oh I forgot to have unidirectional setup to my current probe
2015-12-13T03:09:56 < kakimir> and splitted suppy
2015-12-13T03:10:00 < kakimir> supply
2015-12-13T03:10:36 < kakimir> well unidirectional can be done binding reference to vss or vcc
2015-12-13T03:10:57 < kakimir> that's good enough
2015-12-13T03:13:54 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/77zEAO8.jpg
2015-12-13T03:14:50 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-12-13T03:14:54 < Laurenceb> muricans
2015-12-13T03:14:58 < dongs> unfunny
2015-12-13T03:15:32 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_8CDK1FPko
2015-12-13T03:15:33 < englishman> google photos still broken
2015-12-13T03:15:38 < englishman> assholes
2015-12-13T03:16:08 < kakimir> why dongs hides his muricannes?
2015-12-13T03:18:00 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/Q7jRhOG.gifv
2015-12-13T03:19:05 < kakimir> he missed the pilar
2015-12-13T03:19:46 < upgrdman> dongs, http://imgur.com/E9yawPS
2015-12-13T03:19:53 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2ChDDLTdR4
2015-12-13T03:25:51 < upgrdman> fucking regarded guy  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXNs9N4vj6Y&feature=youtu.be
2015-12-13T03:26:09 < Getty> Houdini series is awesome
2015-12-13T03:26:55 < kakimir> dongs in the train obiviously
2015-12-13T03:27:06 < kakimir> after doing some hash
2015-12-13T03:29:10 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/ud1MzSz.jpg
2015-12-13T03:31:30 < dongs> < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/Q7jRhOG.gifv
2015-12-13T03:31:34 < dongs> dumb nigger
2015-12-13T03:31:35 < Getty> upgrdman: Braveheart? ;-)
2015-12-13T03:31:53 < upgrdman> :)
2015-12-13T03:32:12 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/cfD9zvH.jpg
2015-12-13T03:32:51 < Laurenceb> https://anders.unix.se/2015/12/10/screenshots-from-developers--2002-vs.-2015/
2015-12-13T03:33:00 < Laurenceb>  Richard Stallman:
2015-12-13T03:33:00 < Laurenceb> 2002:
2015-12-13T03:33:00 < Laurenceb>     I don’t know how to make a screenshot
2015-12-13T03:33:51 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlABK0K-i6Y musicspam
2015-12-13T03:38:31 < kakimir> upgrdman: did that skrillex m/v affect you?
2015-12-13T03:38:48 < upgrdman> the one you just linked? no. tl;dl
2015-12-13T03:39:31 < kakimir> no mate that is finnish djs
2015-12-13T03:40:57 < dongs> youre are fgt
2015-12-13T03:43:44 < kakimir> let's get some boards to 100% now
2015-12-13T03:44:44 < Laurenceb> hah my paper is the most read in IPEM this month
2015-12-13T03:44:45 < dongs> good idea
2015-12-13T03:44:57 < dongs> ive been assburgering over one for a couple days
2015-12-13T03:44:58 < Laurenceb> pwn
2015-12-13T03:45:07 < dongs> changed its shape completely like 4 times
2015-12-13T03:45:09 < dongs> and still dont like it
2015-12-13T03:45:20 < Laurenceb> an amazing total of 65 views, second best is... 17
2015-12-13T03:45:25 < Laurenceb> tumbleweed.gif
2015-12-13T03:45:56 < dongs> more like tumblr.com
2015-12-13T03:46:54 < Laurenceb> I'm no SJW
2015-12-13T03:48:05 < dongs> http://www.knobfeel.co.uk/ found Laurenceb secretproj
2015-12-13T03:48:19 < Laurenceb> http://patri-archie-comics.tumblr.com/image/131790710647
2015-12-13T03:50:21 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Gay no homo
2015-12-13T03:51:20 < Laurenceb> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bro+job
2015-12-13T03:51:23 < Laurenceb> this exists
2015-12-13T03:53:21 < dongs> brojob is wat japs call a blowjob
2015-12-13T03:54:56 < PeterM> lold
2015-12-13T04:00:55 < kakimir> #nohomo32
2015-12-13T04:07:04 < Getty> the houdini series is like seriously a pure stressfest
2015-12-13T04:07:54 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKZEJZWWFKaTlfN00&usp=sharing I think I'm done with this piece
2015-12-13T04:08:10 < Getty> kakimir: does it explode instantly or do i have to push a button?
2015-12-13T04:08:36 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-13T04:08:47 < Getty> perfect!
2015-12-13T04:09:08 < kakimir> added gnd pad to it
2015-12-13T04:09:16 < kakimir> for ground cable
2015-12-13T04:10:53 < kakimir> you want some boards?
2015-12-13T04:11:53 < Getty> what does this do at all? ;)
2015-12-13T04:12:08 < kakimir> nothin
2015-12-13T04:12:24 < kakimir> it's current probe
2015-12-13T04:13:19 < kakimir> or if you have table tilting little you can place one under feet of table
2015-12-13T04:17:49 < Getty> i got enough boards for that
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2015-12-13T04:20:57 < kakimir> hmm I forgot how to mark probes for different currents
2015-12-13T04:21:09 < kakimir> maybe I add just label
2015-12-13T04:21:43 < kakimir> or add little hole to heat shrink to see shunt resistor size
2015-12-13T04:41:14 < Getty> how the hell he made this elephant disappear!
2015-12-13T04:41:28 < Getty> can we do that with trump? i hope we can do that with trump ;)
2015-12-13T04:44:44 < kakimir> who made what?
2015-12-13T04:44:51 < Getty> houdini
2015-12-13T04:45:01 < kakimir> trump will control us passionatelly
2015-12-13T04:45:51 < Getty> the good part is, that every reliable resource which predicts the president says it will be sanders, even tho everything looks kinda like it goes in the other direction
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2015-12-13T04:51:07 < kakimir> who is sanders?
2015-12-13T04:51:16 < kakimir> who was he
2015-12-13T04:51:39 < kakimir> looked from here there is only 2 persons
2015-12-13T04:51:52 < kakimir> trump and hilary
2015-12-13T04:52:06 < kakimir> maybe that bush brother cousin whoever
2015-12-13T04:52:25 < kakimir> all others are never hörd
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2015-12-13T04:56:35 < kakimir> no nobody here have ever heard from him
2015-12-13T04:56:47 < Laurenceb> I only know who 8chan supports
2015-12-13T04:56:52 < kakimir> trump?
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2015-12-13T04:59:14 < dongs> when is next president election?>
2015-12-13T04:59:22 < dongs> i dont even know because i dont give a fuck
2015-12-13T04:59:43 < dongs> NOVEMBER 2016?????
2015-12-13T04:59:47 < dongs> why teh fuck are people talkign about it NOW?
2015-12-13T04:59:57 < kakimir> because intense shit
2015-12-13T05:00:03 < kakimir> they start early
2015-12-13T05:01:19 < kakimir> trump is hilarious guy
2015-12-13T05:01:23 < Laurenceb> https://softserve.8ch.net/static/stim/8c036b4b66aa4c118c1068673844c990.png
2015-12-13T05:01:39 < Laurenceb> banner on all 8chan boards atm
2015-12-13T05:02:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/4r8TKzX.png
2015-12-13T05:02:08 < dongs> wat
2015-12-13T05:02:10 < kakimir> I wonder when they assasin him
2015-12-13T05:03:18 < kakimir> his comming out of inner circle right to core of it
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2015-12-13T05:06:59 < kakimir> but maybe it's time for change after all
2015-12-13T05:08:01 < upgrdman> wtf. if i place my finger on the CS/MISO/MOSI/SCLK traces, this shit works. if i remove my finger, MISO is weird. flexing the pcb and wires has no effect.
2015-12-13T05:10:12 < upgrdman> flyback, lol. where did you flood?
2015-12-13T05:10:15 < upgrdman> ##canada?
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2015-12-13T05:16:14 < kakimir> trump hahha.. destroys hilary in every turn he can
2015-12-13T05:16:38 < kakimir> shreds her in the pieces in every speak
2015-12-13T05:16:49 < kakimir> *speech
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2015-12-13T05:26:59 < englishman> dongs: usa elections last 3.5 years
2015-12-13T05:32:22 < kakimir> hahah trups want to jail hilary
2015-12-13T05:32:31 < kakimir> that is great
2015-12-13T05:32:58 < kakimir> hilary leaves country before election day
2015-12-13T05:33:57 < kakimir> what has hilary actually dones?
2015-12-13T05:34:09 < gxti> lol politics on ##stm32
2015-12-13T05:34:31 < gxti> or a crude approximation of it anyway
2015-12-13T05:39:48 < PeterM> lol american politics, a crude approximation of global politics
2015-12-13T05:41:18 < kakimir> as non american
2015-12-13T05:41:28 < kakimir> I'm a bit scared of trump
2015-12-13T05:42:06 < kakimir> if he goes mad
2015-12-13T05:44:21 < kakimir> world is going to pay
2015-12-13T05:44:31 < kakimir> and muricans be happy
2015-12-13T05:47:41 < upgrdman> muricans just like him because he isn't doing the usually politically correct bullshit.
2015-12-13T05:47:53 < upgrdman> i dont quite like the idea of him being prez either.
2015-12-13T05:47:58 < kakimir> if he keeps half of his promises
2015-12-13T05:48:05 < kakimir> it's going to be great
2015-12-13T05:48:12 < kakimir> but if he keeps all of them
2015-12-13T05:48:18 < kakimir> it's going to be mad
2015-12-13T05:48:49 < upgrdman> don't worry. politicians never keep all of their promises
2015-12-13T05:49:33 < kakimir> he is not a politician
2015-12-13T05:50:20 < kakimir> what is the most scary thing
2015-12-13T05:50:29 < scrts> sup lads?
2015-12-13T05:51:16 < kakimir> that he comes second to fanaticism of murican people
2015-12-13T05:51:55 < kakimir> he's the echo
2015-12-13T05:53:06 < upgrdman> AHH FUCK YES! figured out why my spi gyro only worked if i touched the pcb. using wrong spi mode. sadly, ftdi spi lib is broken and only supports more 0 and 2. :/ puting a metal plate under the pcb, or just holding the pcb in my hand, must have added enough parasitic capacitance to help out the setup-and-hold issues.
2015-12-13T05:53:51 < kakimir> so there was some capacitance in your finger that changed line timings ever so slightly?
2015-12-13T05:54:23 < upgrdman> not sure if it changed the timing, but the added cap might have helped the latches?
2015-12-13T05:55:53 < kakimir> that doesn't sound good at all anyways
2015-12-13T05:56:00 < upgrdman> it isn't
2015-12-13T05:56:14 < upgrdman> now i need to look into third-party libs
2015-12-13T05:56:28 < upgrdman> libftdi might be an option
2015-12-13T05:59:00 < upgrdman> but i dont see spi in it's docs
2015-12-13T05:59:30 < englishman> blame trump
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2015-12-13T06:13:42 < upgrdman> anyone know of a usb device WITH APIs that can do spi/i2c/jtag/uart, other than an ftdi?
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2015-12-13T06:42:04 < upgrdman> kakimir, there's no windows api's by stm for that
2015-12-13T06:43:40 < kakimir> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/alternatives-to-ftdi-usb-to-uart-converter/ is there any in these posts
2015-12-13T06:43:54 < kakimir> ftdi alternatives first search result
2015-12-13T06:45:08 < kakimir> how about googling "usb dual uart"
2015-12-13T06:48:01 < upgrdman> nice price  http://www.keysight.com/en/pd-836789-pn-6626A/precision-system-power-supply-25w-or-50w-4-outputs?cc=US&lc=eng
2015-12-13T06:48:19 < upgrdman> kakimir, uart is a SMALL part of what i said
2015-12-13T06:48:23 < upgrdman> uart is fucking easy
2015-12-13T06:49:33 < upgrdman> i want spi/i2c/jtag/uart
2015-12-13T06:49:38 < upgrdman> i would love spi/i2c/jtag/uart/can
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2015-12-13T06:58:29 < kakimir> you are asking something that isn't there
2015-12-13T06:59:46 < upgrdman> well ftdi does spi/i2c/jtag/uart but the libs are junk
2015-12-13T07:00:37 < ReadError> buspirate?
2015-12-13T07:01:08 < kakimir> it is ftdi
2015-12-13T07:19:26 < kakimir> 2232 or so
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2015-12-13T12:24:03 < jadew> upgrdman, my thing did that
2015-12-13T12:24:14 < jadew> -jtag, but it was on the list
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2015-12-13T12:38:51 < PaulFertser> jadew: what thing?
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2015-12-13T12:45:14 < jadew> PaulFertser, I had an idiegogo campaign a while back
2015-12-13T12:45:19 < jadew> didn't work out
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2015-12-13T12:47:07 < PaulFertser> jadew: I see
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2015-12-13T12:47:37 < jadew> might get back to it tho, I use it all the time
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2015-12-13T12:48:13 < jadew> after the campaign failed I stopped adding features tho
2015-12-13T12:49:02 < jadew> I was working on CAN, LIN support was done
2015-12-13T12:49:32 < PeterM> does it have ulcers?
2015-12-13T12:49:47 < jadew> what do you mean?
2015-12-13T12:50:04 < PeterM> open sores
2015-12-13T12:50:09 < jadew> ah, no
2015-12-13T12:50:23 < jadew> it had a SDK tho, so people could extend it
2015-12-13T12:50:28 < jadew> and a SD card slot
2015-12-13T12:50:45 < jadew> so you could use any of those protocols easily for automation
2015-12-13T12:50:56 < jadew> that included the sniffing ability
2015-12-13T12:52:25 < jadew> there's no way you can make money off of an open source project if you plan to actually support and improve it
2015-12-13T12:53:12 < jadew> the chinese will clone it and sell it for scrap and you'll end up competing with your own product, only that you wouldn't have anything to offer
2015-12-13T12:53:41 < jadew> see HackRF
2015-12-13T12:53:54 < jadew> altho, that wasn't meant to be improved ;)
2015-12-13T12:54:07 < jadew> it's the sort of project where the hardware is built, the money is cached in
2015-12-13T12:54:27 < jadew> and the hard part is left on the user or other volunteers that want to work for nothing
2015-12-13T12:54:34 < jadew> (the sw)
2015-12-13T12:55:05 < PeterM> thsi is true
2015-12-13T12:55:54 < GargantuaSauce_> yeah closed source projects are totally hard to clone
2015-12-13T12:56:26 < PeterM> you could do the 2 paths thing where you offer a barebones opensource SW set for building on by community but also offera mad feature packed ver for sale at the beginning of lifecycle
2015-12-13T12:56:44 < jadew> GargantuaSauce_, when the software is the hard part, sure they are
2015-12-13T12:56:59 < PeterM> so initially you rake in cash and stuff, and then when you cant be botheed anymroe the community jsut takes over and oyu forget it ever existed
2015-12-13T12:57:29 < jadew> PeterM, I think that's very hard to manage
2015-12-13T12:57:39 < jadew> there'll be people that will want to switch
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2015-12-13T12:57:51 < jadew> it's hard to keep your firmware safe in that scenario
2015-12-13T12:59:27 < PeterM> that is true
2015-12-13T13:01:53 < artag> I think the answer to that is : don't try to make it a cash cow. Build an initial thing, open source it, let the chinese copy it. Don't do much support, but build new things - better versions, add-ons etc. Which means your effort is going into interesting developments instead of support and lawyers, the customers get the lowest price, which grows your infrastructure, and the thing moves on instead of stagnating
2015-12-13T13:02:33 < jadew> the customers also get the lowest quality
2015-12-13T13:02:34 < PeterM> nah
2015-12-13T13:02:37 < jadew> that's now how you build a brand
2015-12-13T13:02:51 < jadew> *that's not
2015-12-13T13:03:01 < PeterM> ^
2015-12-13T13:03:39 < artag> building a brand is big-company hogwash. you're not building a brand, you're building an infrastructure
2015-12-13T13:03:54 < jadew> the infrastructure is there
2015-12-13T13:04:22 < jadew> (china)
2015-12-13T13:05:05 < jadew> but the open-source and let it be approach is unfair to the users and in the end they'll remember that your product is crap
2015-12-13T13:05:10 < artag> no, that's the manufacturing infrastructure. I mean the product infrastructure
2015-12-13T13:05:25 < jadew> because it didn't have software, it didn't have support and the boards were dirty
2015-12-13T13:05:42 < jadew> they won't buy from you again
2015-12-13T13:06:10 < ReadError> holy shit guys
2015-12-13T13:06:12 < ReadError> http://embedded.fm/episodes/113
2015-12-13T13:06:16 < ReadError> clive1 is a real person
2015-12-13T13:06:23 < jadew> haha
2015-12-13T13:06:26 < jadew> he's on the show?
2015-12-13T13:06:29 < ReadError> yea
2015-12-13T13:08:38 < jadew> damn, power attenuators are expensive
2015-12-13T13:10:08 < artag> jadew: No, I don't mean _that_ little support. It's got to be reasonably well supported to get copied in the first place. You only reduce the support when you're no longer selling them because it's been cloned, but that won't happen to something that's no good
2015-12-13T13:10:37 < artag> and you can still offer a premium version if it suits you
2015-12-13T13:10:48 < jadew> artag, heh, well that's the thing, if it's something good and worth developing, it'll be snatched from your hands in no time
2015-12-13T13:10:55 < jadew> (see hackRF)
2015-12-13T13:11:18 < jadew> it barely launched and before they were able to make a second run a new campaign was out
2015-12-13T13:11:22 < jadew> for hackrf blue
2015-12-13T13:11:22 < artag> yeah, but I maintain that's good : it allows you to move on to the next thing
2015-12-13T13:11:42 < jadew> sure, if the point is to work for a very very low margin
2015-12-13T13:11:49 < PeterM> ReadError, holy shit i gotta listen, i gotta see if he shits any fire liek on the forums, i gotta listen for the sick burns
2015-12-13T13:12:00 < artag> same argument as 'never make yourself indispensable' in a company - you get trapped
2015-12-13T13:12:27 < jadew> artag, how is that not a good thing in both cases?
2015-12-13T13:12:34 < jadew> you want to get trapped (with a product)
2015-12-13T13:12:50 < jadew> so people want you to keep producing and support it
2015-12-13T13:12:59 < jadew> and the same goes for a company
2015-12-13T13:13:04 < jadew> it's good to be "trapped"
2015-12-13T13:13:05 < artag> no, you don't. you'll be making that product forever.
2015-12-13T13:13:10 < jadew> because in reality, the company is trapped with you
2015-12-13T13:13:19 < jadew> artag, oh noes...
2015-12-13T13:13:33 < jadew> you mean I'll be able to earn from my design years after I first release it?
2015-12-13T13:13:37 < jadew> what a bummer
2015-12-13T13:13:47 < artag> yes, and they know it. so they pay you to stay. and then a more interesting job is a pay drop, and you're trapped supporting that one thing forever
2015-12-13T13:13:50 < jadew> of course that's a good thing :)
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2015-12-13T13:14:23 < jadew> artag, you're not trapped, you just get paid a lot to do something
2015-12-13T13:14:28 < jadew> if you like it or not, that's a different thing
2015-12-13T13:14:36 < artag> yeah, something you're bored with
2015-12-13T13:14:41 < artag> that's no life
2015-12-13T13:14:42 < jadew> it's your choice to do the cooler, less paying stuff that you would have done anyway
2015-12-13T13:14:51 < jadew> so in reality, you have one additional choice
2015-12-13T13:15:21 < jadew> and all jobs get like that
2015-12-13T13:15:39 < jadew> you're not getting trapped into it, you just become an expert into whatever you're doing
2015-12-13T13:15:41 < artag> not really, you adjust your lifestyle to the income before you realise. so it's difficult to take the pay cut
2015-12-13T13:15:47 < jadew> so naturally you'll be more valuable to the company
2015-12-13T13:16:01 < jadew> artag, I know
2015-12-13T13:16:13 < jadew> I'm in that situation, but it's not "trapped"
2015-12-13T13:16:26 < jadew> and it's not because I made myself indispensible
2015-12-13T13:16:39 < jadew> it's because I have a lot of experience in this particular field
2015-12-13T13:16:50 < jadew> and I know how things go, it's what makes you a senior
2015-12-13T13:17:19 < artag> that's more useful. But in many companies, you become the goto support for an increasing number of your old projects
2015-12-13T13:17:30 < artag> until you have no time left for new ones
2015-12-13T13:17:43 < jadew> heh, you're describing my situation so well
2015-12-13T13:17:58 < artag> that's because I'm right :)
2015-12-13T13:18:16 < jadew> I brought that up to my boss and asked to be promoted and to let me develop new stuff that will take all that away
2015-12-13T13:18:20 < jadew> and it happened
2015-12-13T13:18:50 < artag> lucky for you :)
2015-12-13T13:18:59 < jadew> what used to be my shitty job, is now a few clicks that someone else is doing
2015-12-13T13:19:24 < jadew> I guess it depends on how you see the whole situation
2015-12-13T13:20:20 < jadew> I think all jobs turn shitty sooner or later
2015-12-13T13:20:37 < jadew> there's not enough diversity anywhere to keep you entertained for years
2015-12-13T13:20:59 < artag> well, exactly. that's why you don't want to be trapped. eventually, pay doesn't make up. If you have a good boss who recognises that, it's great
2015-12-13T13:21:40 < jadew> artag, I think most people aspire to advance to the point where they do very little work
2015-12-13T13:21:47 < jadew> or something that's not uncomfortable
2015-12-13T13:22:00 < jadew> so they can do what they really enjoy the rest of the time
2015-12-13T13:22:10 < artag> i've always aspired to being paid for doing what i enjoy
2015-12-13T13:22:37 < artag> rather than suffer employment so I can escape at 5pm
2015-12-13T13:22:46 < jadew> same here, but it gets old soon to have to work A LOT for very little
2015-12-13T13:23:10 < jadew> I'd like it more if I had money and I could do whatever I enjoyed, whenever I wanted
2015-12-13T13:23:25 < jadew> that's a better goal :)
2015-12-13T13:24:12 < jadew> anyway, I understand your point of view and I agree with it
2015-12-13T13:25:05 < jadew> but I think different people aspire for different things
2015-12-13T13:25:45 < jadew> and the path there might take you through a lot of suffering
2015-12-13T13:25:49 < artag> certainly true
2015-12-13T13:26:50 < jadew> anyway, back to attenuators
2015-12-13T13:27:12 < jadew> freaking expensive
2015-12-13T13:27:25 < jadew> 40 dB, 200W one - $175
2015-12-13T13:28:02 < jadew> it's a bunch of resistors and a heatsink... gee
2015-12-13T13:29:10 < jadew> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cQkAAOSwl9BWMKYW/s-l1600.jpg
2015-12-13T13:29:18 < jadew> that's a nice ruler
2015-12-13T13:29:55 < ReadError> clive1 doesnt like timecube apparently
2015-12-13T13:31:07 < PeterM> jadew, depending on the bandwidth, you can get non-inductive to-247 package resistors that are 50W, if you connect them up properly nad heatsink them properly they are pretty decent as a load/attenuator
2015-12-13T13:31:14 < PeterM> they're about $10 each
2015-12-13T13:31:34 < jadew> hmm
2015-12-13T13:31:35 < jadew> thanks
2015-12-13T13:31:38 < jadew> I'll look into it
2015-12-13T13:32:19 < Steffanx> hmpf, that voice of that woman is .. annoying.
2015-12-13T13:32:21 < jadew> shouldn't be too hard to build a step attenuator with those
2015-12-13T13:32:30 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah, I noticed that too
2015-12-13T13:32:33 < jadew> she tries to hard
2015-12-13T13:32:40 < jadew> *too
2015-12-13T13:33:23 < PeterM> agreed. i find the same problem wiht limor fried
2015-12-13T13:34:12 < jadew> I just realized something
2015-12-13T13:34:26 < jadew> there used to be an actress that was dubbing cartoons when I was a kid
2015-12-13T13:34:33 < jadew> she had a very interesting voice
2015-12-13T13:34:38 < jadew> and she used to do radio too
2015-12-13T13:34:46 < jadew> my wife sounds similar to her
2015-12-13T13:35:02 < PeterM> hahaha
2015-12-13T13:36:32 < Steffanx> so itead and co now allow panelization but 8 times the same board =>  + $120 :S
2015-12-13T13:37:08 < jadew> what would be the point of that?
2015-12-13T13:37:17 < jadew> I mean for that price
2015-12-13T13:37:20 < jadew> why would you do it?
2015-12-13T13:37:38 < Steffanx> Yes, at least thats how i understand it when i read http://support.iteadstudio.com/support/solutions/articles/1000160585-pcb-panelization-rules
2015-12-13T13:37:51 < Steffanx> seeed has the same page.
2015-12-13T13:37:52 < jadew> anyway, I'm done with iTead, had a very bad experience with them
2015-12-13T13:38:31 < dongs> i thought limor fried just sounded like she's choking on paul thorrone's cock while talking
2015-12-13T13:38:38 < dongs> which is business as usual
2015-12-13T13:39:04 < PeterM> seeed and itead were out ofthe game a long time ago for me - the quality was not good and the price was nto cheap so there was sno good reason to use them
2015-12-13T13:39:53 < Steffanx> hackvana is your way to go now PeterM? :P
2015-12-13T13:39:58 < jadew> PeterM, I had an issue with them delaying my board ~1 month and having me pay for "rushed service" in order to make it faster
2015-12-13T13:40:10 < PeterM> i use for cheap/many boards, i use U&I for high quality
2015-12-13T13:40:33 < jadew> they sent it out to the factory a week + later after I paid the "rushed service" fee
2015-12-13T13:41:06 < PeterM> im very tempted to put in an order for a MCPCB from U&I
2015-12-13T13:41:24 < PeterM> jsut to see what they can do and what the prices are like
2015-12-13T13:52:20 < aep> anyone seen an spi _slave_ example with libopencm3?
2015-12-13T13:53:48 < ReadError> heh clive1 prefers keil
2015-12-13T13:53:51 < ReadError> dongs confirmed
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2015-12-13T14:00:31 < PeterM> need to verify - will listen to episode to see if any mention of jews, cloners, zano, sores, tarduino etc
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2015-12-13T14:10:52 < ReadError> "Its hideous" - clive1 regarding st i2c lol
2015-12-13T14:11:06 < ReadError> said he refuses to answer i2c questions, "no good outcome"
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2015-12-13T14:32:21 < jadew> I need a new bench: http://dumb.ro/files/drilling.png
2015-12-13T14:33:10 < dongs> why is it a png
2015-12-13T14:33:34 < jadew> sometimes stripping stuff from a jpeg isn't working
2015-12-13T14:33:43 < dongs> what stuff
2015-12-13T14:33:50 < jadew> and I don't want to leave location info in the images or crap like that
2015-12-13T14:33:54 < dongs> did you crop it out from a bigger picture that included your cock in it?
2015-12-13T14:33:55 < dongs> ah
2015-12-13T14:36:02 < jadew> anyway, I'm stuck with that whole half drilled, cuz it's making a lot of fine dust (there's a piece of wood under the case) and my vacuum cleaner spews out smell of dead fish
2015-12-13T14:36:16 < jadew> (my son thought that's a good way to clean his plate)
2015-12-13T14:43:59 < ReadError> ew
2015-12-13T14:44:49 < jadew> changed the bag after I realized the what happened and that the fish went bad inside
2015-12-13T14:44:55 < jadew> but I think the vacuum is ruined
2015-12-13T14:45:02 < jadew> it still smells super bad
2015-12-13T14:45:46 < Sync> you just need to run it cleean
2015-12-13T14:46:18 < jpa-> clean the filters?
2015-12-13T14:46:18 < jadew> Sync, I will, but I'm going to change the hepa filter first
2015-12-13T14:46:27 < jadew> I think the filter is the one that stinks now
2015-12-13T14:46:56 < jpa-> could be the hose also
2015-12-13T14:47:05 < jadew> good point
2015-12-13T14:47:37 < jpa-> time to vacuum some flammable fumes
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2015-12-13T14:49:52 < jadew> it would probably be best if I just got another vacuum
2015-12-13T14:50:34 < jadew> if I try to restore this one I'll end up finishing this hole tomorrow
2015-12-13T14:51:07 < ReadError> take out outside and use your lungs
2015-12-13T14:51:11 < ReadError> or use the vac outside
2015-12-13T14:51:13 < BrainDamage> extend the tube so it discharges the air outside
2015-12-13T14:51:36 < jadew> that's a good idea
2015-12-13T14:51:52 < jadew> ok, going to finish the hole :D
2015-12-13T14:52:13 < jadew> thanks
2015-12-13T15:04:27 < aep> uh, do i need some sort of pin config on the f103 for getting spi working?
2015-12-13T15:04:56 < dongs> you need to turn on power to SPI peripheral, and set the pins as AF
2015-12-13T15:05:03 < aep> yeah that af stuff...
2015-12-13T15:05:04 < dongs> and proper mode (pp or input
2015-12-13T15:05:19 < aep> did the gpio mode thing
2015-12-13T15:05:35 < aep> can i copy pasta someone elses af stuff or is it chip dependant?
2015-12-13T15:06:08 < dongs> isnt there a SPI example in libopenaidscm3
2015-12-13T15:06:26 < dongs> this is continuation of BMP thing rihgt?
2015-12-13T15:06:37 < dongs> or are you writing someting new
2015-12-13T15:06:43 < aep> yeah i'm adding spi to it
2015-12-13T15:07:03 < aep> the example in libopenbla is for master mode
2015-12-13T15:07:12 < dongs> same for slave.
2015-12-13T15:07:18 < aep> aye
2015-12-13T15:07:30 < aep> it has no af stuff tho, instead it uses spi_i2c_err... something
2015-12-13T15:07:33 < aep> which isnt for that chip
2015-12-13T15:07:45 < aep> i'll copy paste some af stuff and hope
2015-12-13T15:08:26 < dongs> wut
2015-12-13T15:09:45 < aep> actually that example doesnt even do input gpio config https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/blob/master/examples/stm32/f1/lisa-m-2/spi/spi.c
2015-12-13T15:14:18 < aep> so how do you find the right afnum?
2015-12-13T15:14:56 < aep> that thing says it's 'default' http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/datasheet/CD00161566.pdf
2015-12-13T15:15:02 < dongs> F1 doeenst have AFnum
2015-12-13T15:15:07 < dongs> then its jsut that
2015-12-13T15:15:11 < aep> aye
2015-12-13T15:15:13 < dongs> gpio.type = AF_PP or whatever
2015-12-13T15:15:29 < aep> so probably i dont need it, and my problem is somewhere else
2015-12-13T15:16:29 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/SdTu7169.html
2015-12-13T15:16:34 < dongs> F103 samples from stdperiphlib
2015-12-13T15:17:02 < dongs> so input pins just go floating
2015-12-13T15:17:06 < dongs> output pins go AF_PP
2015-12-13T15:17:08 < dongs> thats all.
2015-12-13T15:17:13 < dongs> ignore the pinremap shit.
2015-12-13T15:17:20 < aep> yeah makes sense
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2015-12-13T15:23:10 < aep> nah SPI_SR just wont become high
2015-12-13T15:23:13 < aep> meh
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2015-12-13T15:23:55 < aep> maybe its this nss stuff
2015-12-13T15:25:28 < dongs> my nss is hard
2015-12-13T15:40:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cmvfA6L.jpg what the fuck, japan
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2015-12-13T15:46:05 < ReadError> erm
2015-12-13T15:46:08 < ReadError> is that for kids?
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2015-12-13T16:04:19 < dongs> no its for japs
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2015-12-13T16:53:01 < dongs> sup
2015-12-13T16:53:07 < dongs> report innovation status
2015-12-13T16:53:30 < jadew> I finished drilling holes
2015-12-13T16:55:30 < dongs> thats good
2015-12-13T16:55:39 < jadew> made the banana plug holes 1 mm too close and banan 2 bnc adapters don't fit \o/
2015-12-13T16:55:44 < jadew> *banana
2015-12-13T16:56:07 < jadew> and I'm not going to fix it
2015-12-13T16:58:18 < dongs> hmm
2015-12-13T16:58:20 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/tracer/1.png
2015-12-13T16:58:24 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/tracer/2.png
2015-12-13T16:58:43 < dongs> i guess side-actuated SMT switch is actually kinda hard to do without fail right
2015-12-13T16:58:47 < jadew> and this is one of my best DC plug holes ever: http://dumb.ro/files/tracer/one%20of%20my%20best.png
2015-12-13T16:59:09 < dongs> I spot arduino inside that plastic enclosure
2015-12-13T16:59:23 < dongs> but you didnt make hole for the USB-A socket
2015-12-13T16:59:23 < jadew> right
2015-12-13T16:59:28 < jadew> no MCU inside
2015-12-13T16:59:46 < jadew> it's analog
2015-12-13T17:00:04 < dongs> wtf
2015-12-13T17:00:12 < dongs> im watching live news relay thing
2015-12-13T17:00:17 < dongs> and japs are swatting some house
2015-12-13T17:00:28 < jadew> live?
2015-12-13T17:00:31 < jadew> link?
2015-12-13T17:00:33 < dongs> satellite relay thing
2015-12-13T17:00:41 < jadew> ah
2015-12-13T17:01:46 < dongs> it was running for a while but I wasnt monitoring so i didnt see the beginning
2015-12-13T17:01:54 < dongs> now i just see japs with those clear shields things pouring into the house
2015-12-13T17:02:10 < Sync> interesting
2015-12-13T17:02:11 < dongs> through what almost looks liek 2nd floor
2015-12-13T17:02:25 < Sync> just welded up a hydraulic fitting wrench
2015-12-13T17:04:18 < dongs> there's some news about a sword attack this evening
2015-12-13T17:04:19 < dongs> i dont think this is it
2015-12-13T17:06:44 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/oERkGPc.jpg
2015-12-13T17:07:02 < dongs> 11pm
2015-12-13T17:10:35 < dongs> http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/videonews/fnn?a=20151214-00000104-fnn-soci
2015-12-13T17:10:36 < dongs> found it
2015-12-13T17:10:46 < dongs> posted like 3 mins ago
2015-12-13T17:11:07 < dongs> oh, it is the sword thing
2015-12-13T17:11:08 < dongs> lulz
2015-12-13T17:11:12 < dongs> i guess it escalated
2015-12-13T17:12:01 < Sync> wat
2015-12-13T17:12:10 < Sync> yahoo japan looks like it is 1995 again
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2015-12-13T17:13:37 < kakimir> china vs. jap when?
2015-12-13T17:15:15 < dongs> earlier today some jap left a box of feces in front of korean consulate
2015-12-13T17:15:26 < dongs> with a note
2015-12-13T17:15:43 < dongs> 'retaliation for yasukuni shrine bombinb'
2015-12-13T17:16:45 < jadew> lol
2015-12-13T17:17:01 < Laurenceb> old shit is old
2015-12-13T17:17:26 < Laurenceb> I'm gunna go attack the French
2015-12-13T17:19:24 < kakimir> brits attack french?
2015-12-13T17:20:43 < Laurenceb> http://i.stack.imgur.com/Fh90o.png
2015-12-13T17:24:21 < kakimir> oh
2015-12-13T17:24:24 < kakimir> it's been planned
2015-12-13T17:24:42 < kakimir> looks good
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2015-12-13T17:27:59 < kakimir> could someone confirm correct rs232 db-9 pinout for me?
2015-12-13T17:29:04 < kakimir> http://www.suntekpc.com/image/cable-serial-rs232-db9-female-db9-male-generic-oem-xxx-pinout.jpg this is good?
2015-12-13T17:29:39 < kakimir> pin3 in data terminal side is driver?
2015-12-13T17:29:58 < kakimir> and pin7 is driver?
2015-12-13T17:36:16 < kakimir> anyone confirm?
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2015-12-13T17:56:11 < dongs> BREAKING: jap sword dude still inside the house
2015-12-13T17:56:41 < kakimir> sword killer?
2015-12-13T17:56:45 < dongs> yes.
2015-12-13T17:56:46 < kakimir> so kawai
2015-12-13T17:57:05 < kakimir> uses katana?
2015-12-13T17:57:39 < kakimir> why don't they drop him?
2015-12-13T17:57:44 < dongs> donno
2015-12-13T17:57:46 < dongs> maybe japs dont have guns
2015-12-13T17:58:24 < kakimir> they do have guns
2015-12-13T17:59:22 < dongs> he just needs to commit honorable sudoku
2015-12-13T17:59:30 < dongs> and they'll just dispose of him
2015-12-13T18:00:29 < kakimir> proud sudoku
2015-12-13T18:00:45 < kakimir> they need to give him time to prepare himself sudoku
2015-12-13T18:00:56 < dongs> they've been giving plenty of time
2015-12-13T18:01:02 < dongs> its been like wat 2 hours now
2015-12-13T18:01:07 < dongs> since I saw first dudes w/shields try to get in
2015-12-13T18:03:23 < mitrax> how many people did he kill?
2015-12-13T18:03:56 < dongs> zero, but slashed some cops
2015-12-13T18:04:57 < dongs> i guess ill just leave it recording and find tomrorwo morning
2015-12-13T18:04:58 < dongs> zztime
2015-12-13T18:06:35 < kakimir> if he doesnt do sudoku will he die?
2015-12-13T18:07:15 < kakimir> do japs have courts or just field excecution?
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2015-12-13T18:25:30 < Steffanx> They hang them kakimir.
2015-12-13T18:26:33 < kakimir> kawaii
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2015-12-13T18:31:16 < kakimir> never go crazy
2015-12-13T18:33:55 < Steffanx> in finnishland they just put in an ice chamber uh?
2015-12-13T18:34:09 < Steffanx> oh no, finnishers are already ice cold people.
2015-12-13T18:35:36 < BrainDamage> sauna
2015-12-13T18:35:43 < ReadError> lol
2015-12-13T18:35:52 < ReadError> cops scared to take on a guy with a sword?
2015-12-13T18:36:29 < Steffanx> in non-yankeeland countries? Yes. Haven't you seen how those english guys took that guy with a knife?
2015-12-13T18:37:25 < ReadError> yea but, chainmail or kevlar suits
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2015-12-13T18:58:07 < upgrdman> theres some people moving out next to me. it sounds like theyre giving birth of some shit. "push" "wait wait wait" "oh god" "ok im ready" *heavy breathing* etc. lol.
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2015-12-13T19:02:04 < kakimir> they needed to twist concept of hell when christians came here telling that hell is brutally hot place so people actually found idea good rather than bad
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2015-12-13T19:03:51 < kakimir> so it became something like ethernal frost then ppl got it
2015-12-13T19:04:32 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: sounds similar to how we were securing valves with retainers without proper tools with my wife.
2015-12-13T19:04:55 < upgrdman> lol
2015-12-13T19:18:31 < upgrdman> r2com: http://proteys.info/404/
2015-12-13T19:18:39 < upgrdman> fuck, he's not here :/
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2015-12-13T19:29:54 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/j7wSaHs.gifv
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2015-12-13T19:38:17 < Laurenceb> found a job for /pol/  https://data.gov.uk/data/contracts-finder-archive/contract/1617209/
2015-12-13T19:39:44 < kakimir> how is jobs situation in uk?
2015-12-13T19:40:12 < Laurenceb> fairly poor :-/
2015-12-13T19:40:25 < Laurenceb> lots of government grants tho
2015-12-13T19:40:30 < kakimir> stm32 developers eat their evkits in hunger?
2015-12-13T19:41:39 < kakimir> how is embedded?
2015-12-13T19:43:02 < Laurenceb> dunno... some automotive stuff in my area
2015-12-13T19:43:27 < Laurenceb> Toyota and JCB have ECU development places nearby
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2015-12-13T19:48:36 < kakimir> notorious toyota ecus
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2015-12-13T19:53:51 < Steffanx> Go ARM Laurenceb.
2015-12-13T19:53:56 < Steffanx> They need your spaceless code.
2015-12-13T19:54:07 < Steffanx> it surely fits on 10nm
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2015-12-13T21:00:30  * jpa- activates for moan
2015-12-13T21:05:07  * Steffanx takes an n from jpa-
2015-12-13T21:05:43  * jpa- gives his long steamy n to Steffanx 
2015-12-13T21:07:04 < Steffanx> You can take your steamy Ns to your parrot.
2015-12-13T21:07:44 < upgrdman_> you guys must have a special relationship. how sweet.
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2015-12-13T21:09:32 < Steffanx> upgrdman the parrot thing originates here
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2015-12-13T21:12:40 < Getty> http://i.imgur.com/3xPrrKK.jpg
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2015-12-13T21:14:30 < Steffanx> Do you have your drivers license yet jpa-? or does your parrot still drive your car?
2015-12-13T21:14:42 < jpa-> still drives her car
2015-12-13T21:14:44 < Steffanx> *her car with you as a passenger
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2015-12-13T21:14:55 < jpa-> i'm not particularly interested in getting a license
2015-12-13T21:15:01 < jpa-> a bike is dangerous enough for me
2015-12-13T21:15:33 < kakimir> you not drive a car?
2015-12-13T21:16:04 < PaulFertser> jpa-: a motorbike or a bicycle?
2015-12-13T21:16:15 < Steffanx> bicycle ofcourse
2015-12-13T21:16:16 < kakimir> you live in metropolitan area?
2015-12-13T21:16:31 < jpa-> PaulFertser: bicycle
2015-12-13T21:16:44 < jpa-> kakimir: "metropolitan" lol
2015-12-13T21:17:09 < PaulFertser> jpa-: talking about dangerous, are you riding a fixie? ;)
2015-12-13T21:17:13 < kakimir> yes that lol jpa-
2015-12-13T21:17:38 < jpa-> PaulFertser: nah, regular cheap bike (v brakes and 3x7 derailleur)
2015-12-13T21:18:11 < Steffanx> Did you make it semi-electronic yet?
2015-12-13T21:18:24 < PaulFertser> I thought regular cheap bike in EU comes with 3-speed gearbox in the rear hub.
2015-12-13T21:18:54 < jpa-> Steffanx: in process, pcbs arrived and assembled (http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/ebikectrl_soldered.jpg) but still working (not working) on software
2015-12-13T21:19:21 < jpa-> PaulFertser: both types are common, and 7-speed hub gears are quite common also
2015-12-13T21:19:40 < jpa-> i like the 3x7 because when doing shopping in winter the lower gears come quite useful
2015-12-13T21:19:51 < PaulFertser> jpa-: but those cheap 7-speed hubs can't be switched under load anyway, so that sucks.
2015-12-13T21:20:26 < jpa-> cheap derailleurs don't switch under load so happily either
2015-12-13T21:20:28 < kakimir> jpa-: what is roughly the area you live?
2015-12-13T21:21:32 < PaulFertser> jpa-: I do not think it depends on derailleur that match, it's the shape of the teeth that counts. Ultraglide, Hyperglide, shit like that.
2015-12-13T21:21:44 < ReadError> arent all finish people neighbors?
2015-12-13T21:21:48 < PaulFertser> (talking about rear of course)
2015-12-13T21:22:12 < jpa-> kakimir: http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/metropolis.jpg  7km from jyväskylä
2015-12-13T21:22:38 < jpa-> ReadError: with 2 persons per km^2, sure
2015-12-13T21:22:41 < ReadError> jpa- tested the ESC yet?
2015-12-13T21:23:05 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah, true, i'm usually thinking about "derailleur" as the whole set including gears
2015-12-13T21:23:16 < Tectu> jpa-, nice screw terminals
2015-12-13T21:23:23 < jpa-> ReadError: yeah, but my lab psu doesn't give enough current so i can only run it slowly
2015-12-13T21:23:48 < jpa-> ReadError: also somewhat annoyed that VESC just says "autodetection failed" with no extra info on why it failed
2015-12-13T21:23:51 < Tectu> although those headers seem to be awkwardly close to that huge screw terminal
2015-12-13T21:24:19 < mitrax> jpa: what BT module is that if i may ask?
2015-12-13T21:24:48 < PaulFertser> jpa-: I had the rear axle broke on my 3x7 "mtb", and the next axle bent, I guess that's all because the freewheel design can't properly work, freehub is the way to go.
2015-12-13T21:24:50 < jpa-> mitrax: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SPP-C-Bluetooth-Serial-Adapter-Module-Replace-for-HC-05-HC-06-Slave-/301573825735?hash=item46373364c7:g:UScAAOSwjVVV5R4f
2015-12-13T21:25:11 < mitrax> damn that's super cheap
2015-12-13T21:25:17 < ReadError> Bluetooth ass 2
2015-12-13T21:25:19 < ReadError> lol
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2015-12-13T21:25:57 < jpa-> yeah, and seems to work well - about 10 meters range to one direction, even though all that metal next to the antenna is crappifying things
2015-12-13T21:26:15 < ReadError> why not BLE?
2015-12-13T21:27:08 < jpa-> ReadError: in an ebike using 5A average? :P
2015-12-13T21:27:15 < jpa-> i didn't feel a particular need to save power
2015-12-13T21:27:30 < jpa-> *100W average
2015-12-13T21:27:57 < ReadError> nah, compatability ;)
2015-12-13T21:28:10 < Steffanx> jpa-'s iphone doesnt do BLE
2015-12-13T21:28:13 < ReadError> iOS can use
2015-12-13T21:28:15 < ReadError> ^
2015-12-13T21:28:26 < ReadError> oh wait, what?
2015-12-13T21:28:26 < jpa-> ios cannot use normal bt? wtf
2015-12-13T21:28:32 < Steffanx> i meant ble
2015-12-13T21:28:49 < ReadError> jpa- not without some hardware approval/license
2015-12-13T21:28:51 < jpa-> my phone does bt and ble just fine, it's a cheapass android anyway
2015-12-13T21:28:56 < jpa-> ReadError: luls
2015-12-13T21:29:01 < Steffanx> also it cannot do "normal" as in uart-style bluetooth because if crappy restrictions iirc
2015-12-13T21:29:03 < PaulFertser> jpa-: you should get performance like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAU753ci1Q4
2015-12-13T21:29:05 < ReadError> but BLE is fine?
2015-12-13T21:29:11 < ReadError> somehow
2015-12-13T21:29:39 < PaulFertser> s/get/aim for/
2015-12-13T21:31:39 < ReadError> holy shit thats a bad cyclist
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2015-12-13T21:32:45 < jpa-> Tectu: actually the headers are not very close, it's the angle that makes it appear so
2015-12-13T21:33:34 < jpa-> Tectu: might need to print some plastic protectors to avoid short-circuits, though
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2015-12-13T21:34:19 < Tectu> jpa-, hot-snot?
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2015-12-13T21:35:19 < jpa-> Tectu: umm?
2015-12-13T21:36:01 < PaulFertser> ReadError: I'd say he's rather a careless motorcycle rider, it's just that his motor is electric.
2015-12-13T21:36:46 < ReadError> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/12/05/google-ending-gmail/
2015-12-13T21:36:49 < ReadError> ;(((((((((((
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2015-12-13T21:37:20 < Tectu> silastic stuff I mean
2015-12-13T21:37:36 < ReadError> eevblog viewer spotted
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2015-12-13T21:38:44 < jpa-> Tectu: nah, i want to keep it maintainable
2015-12-13T21:38:59 < ReadError> btw, did you all see my link earlier, clive1 is a real person
2015-12-13T21:39:14 < ReadError> http://embedded.fm/episodes/113
2015-12-13T21:39:19 < ReadError> he was on some podcast
2015-12-13T21:39:56 < Tectu> so I got a quotation to buy the domain    programming.ninja   and they want 20´000 USD for that domain. Note that it hasn´t been registered yet. It´s available for regular purchase...  20 fucking thousand USD
2015-12-13T21:41:11 < mitrax> those new TLDs are a joke
2015-12-13T21:41:46 < Tectu> yes
2015-12-13T21:41:53 < Tectu> they want 625 USD for   swiss.ninja
2015-12-13T21:41:54 < Tectu> wtf
2015-12-13T21:42:16 < mitrax> fucking useless if you ask me, too many of them for people to remember, and lots of redundant names
2015-12-13T21:42:29 < Tectu> like it would cost anything more than a .com domain
2015-12-13T21:42:56 < Tectu> embedded.pro   was offered for 2´500 USD
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2015-12-13T21:43:21 < Tectu> and I didn´t dare to ask for a quotation on   swiss.escort
2015-12-13T21:43:24 < Tectu> ReadError, ^
2015-12-13T21:43:42 < mitrax> ReadError: where was he spotted?
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2015-12-13T21:43:48 < mitrax> ReadError: here?
2015-12-13T21:43:50 < ReadError> mitrax hes on some radio blog
2015-12-13T21:43:57 < ReadError> http://embedded.fm/episodes/113  <---
2015-12-13T21:44:06 < mitrax> well i got that part
2015-12-13T21:44:15 < mitrax> but where else did you see him?
2015-12-13T21:44:48 < ReadError> maybe hes a very advanced robot with british TTS
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2015-12-13T21:47:40 < PaulFertser> jpa-: how long is your usual commute?
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2015-12-13T22:39:23 < Laurenceb> http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/299962main_ECN-2203_full.jpg
2015-12-13T22:39:27 < Laurenceb> thats pretty epic
2015-12-13T22:39:50 < ReadError> has a brit ever been to space?
2015-12-13T22:40:12 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-12-13T22:40:25 < Laurenceb> this "british guy in space" shit is tiring
2015-12-13T22:40:54 < Laurenceb> its actually the first officially directly UK government funded guy in space
2015-12-13T22:41:05 < Laurenceb> but that sounds less exciting
2015-12-13T22:41:40 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/geKNg.jpg
2015-12-13T22:41:41 < ReadError> hmm
2015-12-13T22:42:50 < Laurenceb> lol @ been on the moon
2015-12-13T22:43:04 < Laurenceb> needs "ever got laid"
2015-12-13T22:49:29 < Steffanx> Laurenceb is a test tube baby for sure.
2015-12-13T22:59:10 < karlp> upgrdman: cyprepsoc 4 dev kit: http://www.cypress.com/documentation/development-kitsboards/psoc-4-cy8ckit-049-4xxx-prototyping-kits is also a promo for their usb2serial chip, does spi/i2c/uart stuff, even breakaway for your pleasure
2015-12-13T22:59:40 < upgrdman> thx
2015-12-13T23:00:31 < ReadError> damn figured they could have sprung for some nicer looking boards
2015-12-13T23:02:03 < upgrdman> dont like sparkfun red? ;)
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2015-12-13T23:02:27 < ReadError> the itead silk tho
2015-12-13T23:03:18 < ReadError> the mask alignment around the fiducial
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2015-12-13T23:16:42 < Laurenceb> https://veuwer.com/i/3g04.jpg
2015-12-13T23:25:44 < Laurenceb> http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4074088/Yiff
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2015-12-14T00:44:08 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YS2dSa-Ud0&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop
2015-12-14T00:45:15 < Laurenceb> Hi I'm straight and I have stage 3 Autism.
2015-12-14T00:45:25 < Laurenceb> I sexually identify as a 1979 Austin Maxi and find this deeply offensive.
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2015-12-14T01:14:07 < aep> any idea why my isr never gets called? http://npaste.de/p/qmo
2015-12-14T01:14:13 < aep> spi_read works fine
2015-12-14T01:14:23 < aep> like in a busy loop
2015-12-14T01:18:46 < Laurenceb> wtf
2015-12-14T01:18:47 < Laurenceb> http://8ch.net/egy/
2015-12-14T01:18:59 < Laurenceb> 8chan went a-rab
2015-12-14T01:20:43 < Laurenceb> whats new in trollville?
2015-12-14T01:20:51 < Laurenceb> aep: did you enable the interrupt?
2015-12-14T01:21:08 < aep> nvic_enable_irq(spi2_isr)
2015-12-14T01:21:11 < aep> that should do it eh?
2015-12-14T01:21:18 < aep> and     spi_enable_rx_buffer_not_empty_interrupt(SPI2);
2015-12-14T01:21:37 < Laurenceb> hmm
2015-12-14T01:21:48 < Laurenceb> is that library code?
2015-12-14T01:21:59 < aep> yeah lib...err some crap
2015-12-14T01:22:13 < aep> libopencm3
2015-12-14T01:22:18 < Laurenceb> oh
2015-12-14T01:22:24 < Laurenceb> I've never used that, sorry
2015-12-14T01:22:32 < aep> aye
2015-12-14T01:24:54 < zyp> you might want to try #libopencm3 as well
2015-12-14T01:25:01 < aep> ah thanks!
2015-12-14T01:25:26 < zyp> so anyway, did you turn on SPI2 in RCC?
2015-12-14T01:25:31 < aep> yeah
2015-12-14T01:25:51 < zyp> and you are sending it data?
2015-12-14T01:25:57 < aep> yup
2015-12-14T01:26:02 < aep> spi_read works
2015-12-14T01:26:05 < zyp> does the RXNE flag get set?
2015-12-14T01:26:06 < aep> i see stuff
2015-12-14T01:26:09 < aep> yep
2015-12-14T01:26:17 < zyp> but it's still not interrupting
2015-12-14T01:26:19 < zyp> ?
2015-12-14T01:26:22 < aep> exactly
2015-12-14T01:26:34 < zyp> are you building this as C or C++?
2015-12-14T01:26:38 < aep> C
2015-12-14T01:26:45 < zyp> so the file is something.c?
2015-12-14T01:26:46 < aep> but yeah lemme check the symbol
2015-12-14T01:26:52 < zyp> ;)
2015-12-14T01:27:42 < aep> yeah its there
2015-12-14T01:28:22 < aep> hm nah objdump small w and big W are different
2015-12-14T01:28:40 < zyp> huh?
2015-12-14T01:29:10 < aep> i dunno i'm confused by weak link symbols
2015-12-14T01:29:33 < zyp> maybe the linker is too
2015-12-14T01:29:38 < zyp> hmm
2015-12-14T01:30:09 < zyp> but IIRC libopencm3 defaults to blocking_handler, so it should block rather than ignore the interrupt if you got the vector wrong
2015-12-14T01:30:16 < zyp> so that's unlikely too
2015-12-14T01:30:16 < aep> there's no difference in any of the isr's i defined and those i didnt
2015-12-14T01:30:42 < aep> so i have no idea if it worked
2015-12-14T01:30:47 < zyp> are you sure you haven't disabled interrupts somewhere?
2015-12-14T01:31:00 < aep> yeah. the other interrupt in the same file works fine
2015-12-14T01:31:02 < aep> (uart)
2015-12-14T01:31:26 < zyp> doublecheck in the debugger that the RXNEIE bit is set
2015-12-14T01:31:36 < aep> yeh
2015-12-14T01:31:50 < zyp> maybe one of the library calls masks wrong and clears it
2015-12-14T01:31:58 < zyp> hmm, nah, you set it last
2015-12-14T01:32:07 < zyp> well, last before enable
2015-12-14T01:32:18 < aep> SPI_SR_RXNE is what i have
2015-12-14T01:32:26 < zyp> not that
2015-12-14T01:32:26 < aep> that it?
2015-12-14T01:32:29 < aep> oh
2015-12-14T01:32:36 < zyp> RXNEIE in one of the CR regs
2015-12-14T01:32:44 < zyp> IE = interrupt enable
2015-12-14T01:32:50 < aep> aah
2015-12-14T01:32:58 < zyp> they are pretty consistent on that naming
2015-12-14T01:33:07 < aep> yeah i set that explicitly
2015-12-14T01:33:17 < zyp> you what?
2015-12-14T01:33:53 < aep>  SPI_CR2(spi) |= SPI_CR2_RXNEIE;
2015-12-14T01:34:00 < aep> that's what spi_enable_rx_buffer_not_empty_interrupt does
2015-12-14T01:34:03 < zyp> yes
2015-12-14T01:34:12 < aep> oh you want me to check that it broke or something
2015-12-14T01:34:20 < zyp> did you check in the debugger that it's still set?
2015-12-14T01:34:33 < zyp> do you know how to inspect the registers in the debugger when it's running?
2015-12-14T01:34:35 < aep> nah lemme do that
2015-12-14T01:34:48 < aep> not yet. cant be that hard
2015-12-14T01:34:59 < zyp> p/x SPI_CR2(SPI2)
2015-12-14T01:35:07 < zyp> assuming gdb knows that macro
2015-12-14T01:35:19 < aep> thats the harder part :D
2015-12-14T01:35:34 < zyp> should work if it's built with -ggdb3
2015-12-14T01:37:29 < aep> nah doesnt work. i'm going to expand it manually i guess
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2015-12-14T01:43:00 < aep> SPI2_CR2 is 0
2015-12-14T01:43:03 < aep> so yeah...
2015-12-14T01:43:16 < aep> unless i incorrectly expanded the macro
2015-12-14T01:46:39 < aep> and the status is SR_TXE
2015-12-14T01:46:43 < aep> which apparantly means underrun
2015-12-14T01:49:10 < upgrdman> wtf. dell up2414q has total shit black levels.
2015-12-14T01:49:15 < upgrdman> black is light gray
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2015-12-14T01:54:42 < aep> nah i expanded the macro wrong...
2015-12-14T01:54:48 < aep> zyp: its set correctly
2015-12-14T01:57:00 < aep> and call spi_read will actually do stuff
2015-12-14T01:57:23 < upgrdman> dongs, how the fuck do you tolerate the black levels of the up2414q? looks like a cheap laptop monitor.
2015-12-14T01:57:36 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-12-14T01:57:58 < dongs> upgrdman: wut, they're black as it gets
2015-12-14T01:58:02 < zyp> upgrdman, by not looking at niggers
2015-12-14T01:58:03 < dongs> turn the default brightness way down
2015-12-14T01:58:25 < zyp> right?
2015-12-14T01:58:29 < upgrdman> dongs, with brightness at 10%, black is still gray.
2015-12-14T01:58:35 < dongs> mine are at 50/50, it comes by default with like 100/100
2015-12-14T01:58:37 < dongs> wut
2015-12-14T01:58:39 < upgrdman> i'll take a photo.
2015-12-14T01:58:56 < dongs> also yea wat zyp said
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2015-12-14T02:00:21 < Bright> hi
2015-12-14T02:00:34 < Bright> i had a dream about zan
2015-12-14T02:00:35 < Bright> zano
2015-12-14T02:00:39 < Lux> why would you buy a 4k 24 inch monitor these days ?
2015-12-14T02:00:48 < dongs> ...
2015-12-14T02:00:52 < dongs> why would you buy anything bigger
2015-12-14T02:01:05 < Lux> imo that's what 4k is for :)
2015-12-14T02:01:12 < Lux> got the 2715q
2015-12-14T02:01:49 < Lux> i guess 32 inch would be nice, but not really affordable
2015-12-14T02:02:45 < Bright> sup BRUH
2015-12-14T02:03:08 < Lux> i just notice a bit of backlight bleeding on the dell 2715q regarding black levels
2015-12-14T02:03:30 < dongs> 15 series is different panel and white backlight
2015-12-14T02:03:39 < dongs> 14 is 10bit panel and gb-r backlight
2015-12-14T02:03:42 < dongs> they are superior in every way
2015-12-14T02:04:13 < upgrdman> dongs, zyp:  this is the shit black levels i'm talking about:  http://imgur.com/Rbsfd0p
2015-12-14T02:04:17 < zyp> i.e. 14 is wide gamut and 15 is standard gamut
2015-12-14T02:04:18 < Lux> seems like it
2015-12-14T02:04:22 < aep> Bright: whats so special about them?
2015-12-14T02:04:54 < dongs> are you sure you didnt turn on something dumb
2015-12-14T02:05:01 < zyp> upgrdman, you don't have it set to some shitty colorspace?
2015-12-14T02:05:16 < dongs> 16:255 brightness levels or something
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2015-12-14T02:05:47 < dongs> preset modes has some weird color shits in it
2015-12-14T02:05:51 < Lux> 99% on 14 and 79% adobe rgb on the 15
2015-12-14T02:05:56 < Bright> aep: nothing it was just in my dream
2015-12-14T02:06:00 < Lux> still good enough i guess
2015-12-14T02:06:18 < dongs> Lux: i bought 2415 too, and sideby side with 2414 it just looked awful
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2015-12-14T02:06:23 < dongs> very blueish tint cuz of backlight
2015-12-14T02:06:28 < upgrdman> zyp, "zonal color space" = off
2015-12-14T02:06:37 < dongs> even with flux running at max
2015-12-14T02:06:44 < dongs> upgrdman: the 'presets' on top menu
2015-12-14T02:06:59 < upgrdman> preset = standard
2015-12-14T02:07:17 < upgrdman> and the other presets look equally shit
2015-12-14T02:08:13 < zyp> dongs, they're probably going to sell both in parallel
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2015-12-14T02:08:52 < zyp> for the 27" 1440p monitors, U2711 and U2713H are wide gamut, while U2713HM and U2715H are standard
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2015-12-14T02:09:17 < zyp> last I checked, stores carry both U2713H and U2715H, since they are the latest of each line
2015-12-14T02:10:29 < zyp> my U2711 got replaced with U2713H for free this summer, I would have flipped shit if they tried sending me one with a standard gamut panel
2015-12-14T02:11:35 < upgrdman> gamut = range of colors?
2015-12-14T02:11:40 < zyp> yes
2015-12-14T02:11:56 < zyp> wide gamut panels have redder reds and so on
2015-12-14T02:12:27 < zyp> and for that reason needs a backlight with a wider spectrum as well
2015-12-14T02:13:26 < zyp> and usually 10bit as well, so you don't lose resolution
2015-12-14T02:15:05 < dongs> so yeah your gray blacks is definitely a mac/somethign problem
2015-12-14T02:15:11 < dongs> the panel isnt the issue here
2015-12-14T02:15:49 < zyp> check which color profile OS X is using for the panel
2015-12-14T02:16:10 < dongs> i think hes running 10 but i duno if its bootcamp or wat
2015-12-14T02:16:12 < zyp> might default to something shitty
2015-12-14T02:16:17 < zyp> oh
2015-12-14T02:16:20 < dongs> does that affect shit when you boot inti windows?
2015-12-14T02:16:27 < zyp> nah
2015-12-14T02:16:55 < dongs> and DP1.2 is enabled rite
2015-12-14T02:17:11 < zyp> oh well, bedtime
2015-12-14T02:17:31 < dongs> ah, the troubles of having a job
2015-12-14T02:17:35 < dongs> neding to sleep at normal tiems
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2015-12-14T02:17:47 < zyp> haha, true
2015-12-14T02:18:14 < zyp> last week were mostly go to sleep at 3am, wake up at 8am
2015-12-14T02:18:22 < dongs> nice
2015-12-14T02:18:45 < dongs> i usually do 1-2, wake  up at 8
2015-12-14T02:18:50 < dongs> not much better eally.
2015-12-14T02:19:29 < zyp> idk, I regard 6 hours as a sane minimum
2015-12-14T02:19:46 < aep> yey got it working
2015-12-14T02:19:50 < zyp> but I'd prefer 8
2015-12-14T02:20:10 < aep> now i have an stlink + bitbanged spi printf output. finally
2015-12-14T02:20:33 < zyp> just have to balance that against all the other shit I need to do
2015-12-14T02:20:39 < upgrdman> dongs, im in win10. and its not a setting on my pc. black levels look like shit with NO dp or hdmi cable even plugged in
2015-12-14T02:20:50 < upgrdman> i guess apple spoiled me. their displays are top of the line.
2015-12-14T02:21:05 < dongs> aep, i guess the problem with having opensores debug probes is that you need to use printf debugging
2015-12-14T02:21:18 < dongs> aep: where I can just inspect memory/vars at runtime wihtout stopping the core wiht proper shit
2015-12-14T02:21:22 < dongs> and no need to printf.
2015-12-14T02:21:27 < zyp> dongs, oh, by the way, I moved for this job, so my old addr isn't valid anymore
2015-12-14T02:21:40 < zyp> so don't send me shit without getting the new one first :p
2015-12-14T02:21:50 < dongs> mkay. next time im sending something ill check first.
2015-12-14T02:21:51 < dongs> ueyah
2015-12-14T02:22:03 < dongs> must be one hell ofa job to change places.
2015-12-14T02:22:09 < aep> dongs: i'm not sure if i should argue with you over that ;)
2015-12-14T02:22:31 < zyp> dongs, well, I already canceled my old apartment before I got this job, so it was good timing actually
2015-12-14T02:22:32 < dongs> aep: you wont get anywhere, so probably not
2015-12-14T02:22:42 < aep> glad we agree
2015-12-14T02:22:43 < zyp> but yeah, fuck moving
2015-12-14T02:22:44 < dongs> upgrdman: check color profiles its set to?
2015-12-14T02:23:17 < Getty> new independence day trailer looks like a marvel movie
2015-12-14T02:23:21 < Bright> it's goin
2015-12-14T02:23:24 < upgrdman> input color format = rgb, gamma = pc, zonal color space = off
2015-12-14T02:24:02 < zyp> luckily I didn't own much furniture, so most of my shit fit into a storage room: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/04U4b.jpg
2015-12-14T02:24:24 < zyp> and most of it is still there, it's four hours away from new place
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2015-12-14T02:25:48 < dongs> upgrdman: donno wat to tell you mang
2015-12-14T02:26:22 < dongs> maybe im blind but my blax are black, as I would expect on a monitor that claims to be for "professional color work" :)
2015-12-14T02:26:46 < dongs> i dont have a macfag to compare with, tho soon I'll have  that 4K igzo panel laptop
2015-12-14T02:26:52 < zyp> but yeah, this move was a fucking pain
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2015-12-14T02:26:57 < upgrdman> dongs, ok
2015-12-14T02:27:03 < zyp> and I just ensured that the next one would be even worse
2015-12-14T02:27:23 < upgrdman> you working in a brightly lit room? im just using moderate light, so the black levels are super obvious
2015-12-14T02:27:34 < zyp> new apt. is unfurnished, so I went to ikea yesterday, found a bed with shelves and drawers and shit
2015-12-14T02:27:51 < zyp> thought «that looks convenient» and bought it
2015-12-14T02:28:00 < zyp> turns out shit's like 130kg
2015-12-14T02:28:00 < dongs> upgrdman: wel, its daytime now but at night its looks fine too
2015-12-14T02:28:04 < dongs> heh
2015-12-14T02:28:07 < dongs> do you have to put it together?
2015-12-14T02:28:11 < dongs> or tehy bring it
2015-12-14T02:28:42 < zyp> I put together enough to sleep on, i.e. the frame itself, and then I got sick of it
2015-12-14T02:28:55 < zyp> I'll do the drawers and shelf and shit tomorrow or whenever
2015-12-14T02:30:02 < zyp> I threw away a ton of shit before I moved, including my old shitty power drill, so now I don't have any
2015-12-14T02:30:25 < zyp> and this bed got a fuckton of screws that I had to put in by hand
2015-12-14T02:30:47 < Bright> Gawd, Sex Is For Noobs!
2015-12-14T02:30:48 < dongs> upgrdman: theres something called 'uniformity compensation'?
2015-12-14T02:30:52 < dongs> under display settings
2015-12-14T02:30:55 < dongs> make sure thats off?
2015-12-14T02:31:08 < upgrdman> ya. i tried off and on.
2015-12-14T02:31:18 < dongs> thats the one that reviews says makes gray blax
2015-12-14T02:31:26 < dongs> tho i never had it on by default so i didnt know
2015-12-14T02:34:53 < dongs> ah how about installing the dell driver and ICC profile?
2015-12-14T02:38:26 < upgrdman> it has nothing to do with the pixels though. its a panel issue.
2015-12-14T02:38:39 < upgrdman> with no hdmi or dp cable plugged in the blacks still look like thsit
2015-12-14T02:38:39 < dongs> oh right you said even when pc is off its still gray?
2015-12-14T02:38:58 < upgrdman> off and unpluggeg
2015-12-14T02:39:10 < dongs> right
2015-12-14T02:39:28 < upgrdman> apple ruined me. i would have thought this display is awesome before i got this fagbook pro
2015-12-14T02:39:51 < dongs> lewl
2015-12-14T02:45:02 < dongs> i donno
2015-12-14T02:45:05 < dongs> i have unplugged one
2015-12-14T02:45:13 < dongs> and it scrolls that 'no cable present' message thing
2015-12-14T02:45:19 < dongs> and black around that looks as black as it was off
2015-12-14T02:45:22 < dongs> *shrug*
2015-12-14T02:46:13 < upgrdman> k
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2015-12-14T03:05:31 < upgrdman> cant fucking handle this. returning this monitor to amazon.
2015-12-14T03:05:39 < upgrdman> guess i'll have to shop in person :/
2015-12-14T03:08:14 < dongs> haha
2015-12-14T03:08:21 < dongs> apple fucking cinema display 4 u bro
2015-12-14T03:08:28 < dongs> open ass, insert steve dildo
2015-12-14T03:08:38 < dongs> o rite, they have nothing in 4k
2015-12-14T03:08:51 < dongs> cuz 4K on apple would just be fucking 1920x1080 wiht super sharp fonts
2015-12-14T03:15:26 < aep> this gdb 'are you sure' stuff is really annoying. anyone know how to skip that?
2015-12-14T03:17:14 < dongs> with opensores, youre never sure
2015-12-14T03:17:20 < aep> found it: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4355978/get-rid-of-quit-anyway-question-just-kill-the-process-and-quit
2015-12-14T03:23:48 < Laurenceb> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1449951194992.jpg
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2015-12-14T03:57:21 < jadew> my I-V tracer is done!
2015-12-14T03:58:07 < jadew> and with it my desire to home make any more PCBs
2015-12-14T03:59:02 < dongs> lewl
2015-12-14T04:07:33 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/q7Mmk.png
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2015-12-14T04:09:00 < Laurenceb> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8474163&cid=51111709
2015-12-14T04:09:24 < Laurenceb> obvious troll is obvious
2015-12-14T04:11:02 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/tracer/almost.png
2015-12-14T04:11:24 < jadew> came out nice
2015-12-14T04:11:33 < jadew> missing a knob tho
2015-12-14T04:20:59 < kakimir> what is that scary thing?
2015-12-14T04:26:25 < jadew> which scary thing?
2015-12-14T04:27:59 < Laurenceb> ur face
2015-12-14T04:30:06 < kakimir> that box
2015-12-14T04:30:25 < jadew> kakimir, IV tracer
2015-12-14T04:32:17 < Getty> someone here watched "The Lost Room"?
2015-12-14T04:34:15 < jadew> Getty, I did
2015-12-14T04:34:16 < jadew> it was nice
2015-12-14T04:34:25 < jadew> the mini-series, right?
2015-12-14T04:34:28 < Getty> yeah
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2015-12-14T04:34:33 < Getty> its really sad that they didnt extended this
2015-12-14T04:34:38 < Getty> SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much potential
2015-12-14T04:35:11 < Getty> even with the "solution" now being out with the mini series, they could make endless episodes of all the time before
2015-12-14T04:35:45 < Getty> would love to see the series of the guy who could make pennies ;)
2015-12-14T04:35:51 < Getty> aehm the episode in the series then
2015-12-14T04:37:09 < jadew> I don't remember much of it
2015-12-14T04:37:18 < Getty> but you do remember the "objects"
2015-12-14T04:37:19 < jadew> but I remember it was entertaining
2015-12-14T04:37:23 < jadew> yeah
2015-12-14T04:37:27 < Getty> it was like the showed of a splinter of the objects
2015-12-14T04:37:33 < Getty> just barly touched some in explaination
2015-12-14T04:37:43 < Getty> i could imagine a long series.... every episode the story of an object
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2015-12-14T04:38:02 < jadew> yeah, I'm sure they considered it
2015-12-14T04:38:08 < Getty> no they dont :(
2015-12-14T04:38:37 < Getty> its ended, forever, it was never planned towards big and given the no-success commerically i think the motivation will not come up :(
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2015-12-14T04:43:58 < kakimir> I need something to stalk in internets
2015-12-14T04:44:03 < kakimir> recommends?
2015-12-14T04:44:28 < kakimir> stalks as twitter/instagram
2015-12-14T04:49:01 < upgrdman> richard m stallman
2015-12-14T04:49:16 < kakimir> I prefer to stalk women
2015-12-14T04:49:23 < upgrdman> richard m stallwoman
2015-12-14T04:50:42 < kakimir> giv me your twitter
2015-12-14T04:50:50 < kakimir> that will do
2015-12-14T04:50:52 < upgrdman> im not a twit. i dont twitter.
2015-12-14T04:51:04 < kakimir> that's good
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2015-12-14T05:18:50 < kakimir> guys what you think about red pitaya
2015-12-14T05:22:43 < Getty> what i saw as noob while trying to catch that topic is, that this device is like not so good as the common devices, but its opensource, so you can do any crazy stuff with it
2015-12-14T05:23:28 < Getty> the question is more if that is actually making sense ;)
2015-12-14T05:23:43 < Getty> todo crazy things with those
2015-12-14T05:24:15 < Getty> if i understood right, you get much more value for the money on regular devices, just without the crazy stuff ;)
2015-12-14T05:25:06 < kakimir> it it had killer jtag with openocd support
2015-12-14T05:25:26 < kakimir> if
2015-12-14T05:25:29 < kakimir> and and
2015-12-14T05:26:04 < kakimir> but I think biggest downside is number of high speed analog connections
2015-12-14T05:32:28 < dongs> red pitaya sounds liek a failed dickstarter tome
2015-12-14T05:32:45 < kakimir> it didn't fail I think
2015-12-14T05:33:26 < kakimir> at least they are delivering no probs
2015-12-14T05:33:28 < dongs> http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/35071156/k-pop-group-oh-my-girl-detained-at-la-airport-on-suspicion-of-being-sex-workers
2015-12-14T05:33:31 < dongs> looooool
2015-12-14T05:34:11 < kakimir> aren't kpoppers like
2015-12-14T05:34:21 < kakimir> sexdolls for rich asian duded
2015-12-14T05:34:23 < kakimir> dudes
2015-12-14T05:34:37 < kakimir> dongs knows better
2015-12-14T05:45:16 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMXFTRm1hSmo4RVU/view?usp=sharing got to love it when they try to keep pins
2015-12-14T05:46:25 < kakimir> noticed at this phase that pins are compatible as far as 8pin package goes
2015-12-14T05:48:05 < kakimir> so excess pins are just an extension
2015-12-14T05:51:27 < upgrdman> watching some youtube reviews of 4k monitor. wtf is it with people doing reviews of shit sitting on their floor while barefoot.
2015-12-14T05:54:35 < kakimir> youtubers are poor
2015-12-14T05:56:32 < dongs> upgrdman: you arent gonna find anything better, lulz
2015-12-14T05:57:07 < dongs> there's a $2k priced NEC that uses same panel, maybe you can see "reviewS" on that, but i dont think anyone can afford it
2015-12-14T05:59:08 < dongs> http://www.necdisplay.com/p/desktop-monitors/ea244uhd-bk
2015-12-14T06:01:30 < kakimir> it's 60% how panel is being driven
2015-12-14T06:01:58 < dongs> wot
2015-12-14T06:02:05 < upgrdman> kakimir, i would say it more about the panel tech
2015-12-14T06:02:11 < kakimir> and 50% of the panel itself
2015-12-14T06:02:23 < kakimir> fifty-sixty
2015-12-14T06:02:41 < upgrdman> why no oled monitors?
2015-12-14T06:02:49 < dongs> you like burnin bro?
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2015-12-14T06:06:39 < upgrdman> my oled phone doesnt burn in
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2015-12-14T06:08:33 < kakimir> if you keep display on 247 it eventually will
2015-12-14T06:08:38 < kakimir> not burn in
2015-12-14T06:08:41 < kakimir> but wear
2015-12-14T06:08:56 < kakimir> dongs: correct your terminology
2015-12-14T06:09:00 < upgrdman> what about oled tv's? many people keep their tv's on for a long time
2015-12-14T06:09:36 < kakimir> can it be any worse than what plasmas were?
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2015-12-14T06:11:45 < upgrdman> hmmm http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/monitors/LU32D97KQSR/ZA
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2015-12-14T06:12:45 < dongs> enjoy your huge pixels
2015-12-14T06:12:55 < dongs> you can get 2 dells for that price!
2015-12-14T06:13:29 < kakimir> my 2008 eizo still gooh
2015-12-14T06:13:37 < kakimir> paid like thousand of it
2015-12-14T06:13:53 < upgrdman> dongs, im more concerned about quality than price. i just wish it wasnt 32"
2015-12-14T06:17:57 < dongs> is that samdung igzo or something
2015-12-14T06:18:05 < dongs> because it isnt going to be any better if its AH-IPS or AVS or etc.
2015-12-14T06:18:41 < upgrdman> ya im hoping igzo or something better than the dell panel. the dell is ahvs right?
2015-12-14T06:18:49 < dongs> ah-ips
2015-12-14T06:19:59 < dongs> i dont think you will
2015-12-14T06:22:01 < upgrdman> wtf does app use for their 4k ifags? their display make the dell look like china trash.
2015-12-14T06:22:25 < upgrdman> s/app/apple
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2015-12-14T06:25:49 < upgrdman> i wonder if the glossy glass apple loves helps with this problem
2015-12-14T06:34:47 < GargantuaSauce_> tft ips
2015-12-14T06:35:01 < upgrdman> ?
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2015-12-14T06:37:18 < GargantuaSauce_> yes the gloss is definitely a factor
2015-12-14T06:39:01 < dongs> apple has no 4k screens
2015-12-14T06:39:06 < dongs> also, yea they use glossy shit
2015-12-14T06:39:13 < dongs> fuck glossy
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2015-12-14T06:40:03 < upgrdman> i dont like glossy, but if the picture quality is better, i tolerate it
2015-12-14T06:40:16 < upgrdman> and yes, apple has a 4k imac and a 5k imac.
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2015-12-14T08:39:38 < upgrdman> nice pc case  http://imgur.com/a/KhxA6
2015-12-14T08:43:06 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/OLburKn
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2015-12-14T08:47:49 < upgrdman> mac hipster  http://imgur.com/n1pIwL2
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2015-12-14T09:05:00 < PaulFertser> jpa-: heh, that's not much.
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2015-12-14T09:28:12 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeh
2015-12-14T09:28:56 < crt> greetings jpa-
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2015-12-14T09:29:37 < jpa-> hello
2015-12-14T09:29:45 < crt> :)
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2015-12-14T09:42:47 < dongs> Beaver Computer
2015-12-14T09:42:47 < dongs> Uploaded 4 years ago
2015-12-14T09:42:49 < dongs> good job upgrdman
2015-12-14T09:43:00 < dongs> almost beating Laurenceb__ on linking to ancient shit
2015-12-14T09:43:05 < crt> hi dongs
2015-12-14T09:43:15 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-12-14T09:43:21 < crt> '?
2015-12-14T09:45:16 < PeterM> he's from japan, he speaks liek a pokemon, can only say his name, and the following words; Jews, clone, stoner, zano, sores and sup
2015-12-14T09:45:31 < crt> charizard
2015-12-14T09:45:51 < crt> how is the zano saga?
2015-12-14T09:45:59 < dongs> all over
2015-12-14T09:46:03 < crt> good
2015-12-14T09:46:03 < dongs> i got my $0 back
2015-12-14T09:46:07 < crt> same.
2015-12-14T09:46:11 < crt> i hope the idiots get nothing back.
2015-12-14T09:46:19 < crt> i.e. backers.
2015-12-14T09:46:23 < dongs> unfortunately they managed to get some shit back from thier CCs
2015-12-14T09:48:17 < crt> ah fuck
2015-12-14T09:48:46 < crt> i want to see the whole thing burn
2015-12-14T09:49:16 < dongs> unfortunately, incompetent manchild is not a crime in UK yet
2015-12-14T09:50:23 < crt> :~(
2015-12-14T09:51:21 < jpa-> i loaded 256572 rows of data to excel and now it is a bit slow :(
2015-12-14T09:52:03 < dongs> no doubt
2015-12-14T09:52:25 < PeterM> altium gets a bit unresponsive when you ahve that many polys too
2015-12-14T09:53:29 < rewolff> aep: Thanks. (gdb stuff)
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2015-12-14T10:08:07 < dongs> just bought a reel of minidp clone connectors
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2015-12-14T10:56:37 < Steffanx> You forgot a few words peterm
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2015-12-14T11:31:25 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0N6DUGy.jpg found Laurenceb__ shop
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2015-12-14T12:10:18 < dongs> https://github.com/mist-devel/mist-board/wiki/mist13_schematic.pdf nice USB
2015-12-14T12:11:36 < dongs> gah that whole schematic is complete fail
2015-12-14T12:11:42 < dongs> what the hell
2015-12-14T12:12:00 < dongs> and they want 200 eur for that thing
2015-12-14T12:12:02 < dongs> insanity
2015-12-14T12:12:30 < dongs> for 200 eur i'd expect something better than buttbanged USB, R2R VGA and AT91SAM7
2015-12-14T12:17:54 < jpa-> hmm, stm32 with integrated lora? http://www.st.com/web/en/press/c2790
2015-12-14T12:18:00 < jpa-> i wonder if it will be fiasco like stm32w
2015-12-14T12:20:26 < Steffanx> Of course
2015-12-14T12:20:39 < PaulFertser> Why did stm32w faiL
2015-12-14T12:20:40 < PaulFertser> ?
2015-12-14T12:20:59 < Steffanx> Nrnd.
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2015-12-14T12:21:45 < Steffanx> I guess no one used it.
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2015-12-14T12:23:37 < jpa-> PaulFertser: one couldn't get docs without huge NDAs
2015-12-14T12:25:03 < PaulFertser> One can't get docs for wireless part of nrf51 either.
2015-12-14T12:28:06 < dongs> internet of dix
2015-12-14T12:28:30 < zyp> PaulFertser, sure you can, last I checked it's right there in the RM
2015-12-14T12:31:47 < PaulFertser> zyp: oh, I thought they made their softcore binary only just because they do not want to disclose how to talk to the relevant hardware. I stand corrected then.
2015-12-14T12:32:41 < zyp> I think the softcore is more a measure of not opensourcing their BLE stack so it can be ported to competitor platforms
2015-12-14T12:33:19 < PaulFertser> They could have released the sources under a restrictive license I think.
2015-12-14T12:33:21 < zyp> not to mention the ANT softcore, ANT standard is super restricted
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2015-12-14T12:34:22 < zyp> PaulFertser, well, then the platform would have a bigger barrier to entry
2015-12-14T12:35:05 < zyp> right now anybody can buy a nrf51 and download the softcore without going through a manual NDA signing process
2015-12-14T12:36:21 < DanteA> They can offer both variants
2015-12-14T12:36:35 < zyp> maybe they do?
2015-12-14T12:36:38 < zyp> idk
2015-12-14T12:36:48 < PaulFertser> zyp: no, I meant release the sources but do not allow distribution of modified versions and usage on competing platforms.
2015-12-14T12:37:12 < zyp> PaulFertser, disallowing and preventing are different things
2015-12-14T12:37:40 < jpa-> yeah, in closed sores world licenses matter pretty little
2015-12-14T12:37:49 < zyp> just consider all the lawyer fees they're saving now
2015-12-14T12:38:02 < jpa-> even if you get caught, trying to get compensated through court will take ages and technology will be obsolete by then
2015-12-14T12:43:21 < zyp> dongs, btw, what happened with paying korea guys?
2015-12-14T12:43:29 < dongs> zyp, will happen
2015-12-14T12:43:43 < dongs> i think i need to re-poke invoice cuz i forgot wat it was already
2015-12-14T12:43:51 < dongs> ill leave a message right now for tomrorwo
2015-12-14T12:44:08 < zyp> I'd like to have it before the end of the year so I can get it into this year's accounting
2015-12-14T12:44:13 < dongs> yes right
2015-12-14T12:44:19 < dongs> i figured that.
2015-12-14T12:47:11 < ReadError> trap for young players
2015-12-14T12:49:01 < PeterM> australias upside down financial year starts in july
2015-12-14T12:49:08 < dongs> japs april 1
2015-12-14T12:49:49 < PeterM> noice
2015-12-14T12:49:50 < dongs> so when they do shit like enabling copy protection on free to air public terrestrial digital tv on april1, half the news places in the world think its a joke
2015-12-14T12:50:16 < zyp> haha
2015-12-14T12:50:30 < PeterM> dumb or joke you decive
2015-12-14T12:50:34 < PeterM> decide even
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2015-12-14T12:53:55 < ReadError> http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/us/plane-skydiver-collision/index.html
2015-12-14T12:53:59 < ReadError> '75 feet'
2015-12-14T12:57:38 < PeterM> i see so much wrong with that picture
2015-12-14T12:57:43 < PeterM> those pictures
2015-12-14T12:58:50 < PeterM> like why is that person parachuting into a place where planes take off or do T+G? or why is there a house so close to that shit too?
2015-12-14T13:00:15 < zyp> PeterM, because the jumpers are brought up by planes, and jump planes don't want to make a very long trip back and forth to pick up and drop off jumpers
2015-12-14T13:00:31 < ReadError> apparently the pilot is an 87 year old female?
2015-12-14T13:00:38 < ReadError> didnt even notice that lol
2015-12-14T13:01:35 < PeterM> zyp really? usually here jumpers land or beaches or in parks and shit and they have busses waiting to take them abck
2015-12-14T13:02:08 < zyp> idk, I'm not a jumper, but it seems reasonable enough
2015-12-14T13:02:24 < zyp> airports usually have lots of flat land too, so they are good landing sites
2015-12-14T13:06:20 < Sync_> PeterM: landing at airports is common
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2015-12-14T13:08:39 < PeterM> Sync_, zyp fair enough
2015-12-14T13:10:12 < dongs> old link
2015-12-14T13:11:08 < PeterM> jesus covert necro
2015-12-14T13:11:26 < PeterM> did not notice
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2015-12-14T13:14:04 < zyp> I remember seeing it last year
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2015-12-14T13:21:45 < PeterM> i usually see "florida" and think "yeah, this'll only happne or effect there, i'll ignore this"
2015-12-14T13:46:34 < ReadError> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-35068444
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2015-12-14T15:07:58 < dongs> oh fucksakea
2015-12-14T15:08:06 < dongs> gyft.com got haxed or somethign
2015-12-14T15:08:16 < dongs> asking me to reset pasword on login, lol
2015-12-14T15:08:28 < dongs> or rather, to reset it alltogether, without succeeding login
2015-12-14T15:08:57 < dongs> For your own security, please use a different password than your previous one.
2015-12-14T15:08:58 < dongs> haw haw
2015-12-14T15:09:02 < dongs> so they DID keep the old one
2015-12-14T15:09:04 < dongs> wahts the fucking point then!?
2015-12-14T15:11:15 < jpa-> dongs: to prevent future login attempts after the hashes are broken
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2015-12-14T15:11:36 < dongs> it would be cool if they sent me email about it tho
2015-12-14T15:11:39 < dongs> im gonna email their support and ask.
2015-12-14T15:15:06 < dongs> https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/gyft-sees-bitcoin-usage-drop-80/
2015-12-14T15:16:38 < dongs> "The media attention surrounding Gyft's integration of bitcoin sparked an rapid growth rate for the company, Lingham stated."
2015-12-14T15:16:42 < dongs> "an rapid"
2015-12-14T15:16:46 < dongs> more like an hero, amirite?
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2015-12-14T15:28:42 < zyp> wtf is gyft?
2015-12-14T15:28:56 < dongs> scam out giftcards for amazon/etc with paypal
2015-12-14T15:28:59 < dongs> (or apparently buttcoin)
2015-12-14T15:29:11 < dongs> they dont charge any % on top of pp, so its actually chaeper than buying directly
2015-12-14T15:29:51 < dongs> and they have ~points~ so  you can get free shit eventually
2015-12-14T15:30:55 < zyp> heh
2015-12-14T15:31:26 < zyp> useful because withdrawing from paypal is a hassle for you?
2015-12-14T15:31:33 < dongs> sure
2015-12-14T15:31:45 < zyp> what terms do you get from paypal in jp?
2015-12-14T15:32:17 < zyp> for me, withdrawal is free (but converting from USD or whatever to NOK is not)
2015-12-14T15:32:39 < dongs> the problem would mostly be converting it to realmoney
2015-12-14T15:34:07 < zyp> because you can't just transfer it directly to a jp bank account?
2015-12-14T15:34:20 < dongs> i can, but then begins the problem of explaining where it came from
2015-12-14T15:34:51 < zyp> tax evasion? :p
2015-12-14T15:34:54 < zyp> or just hassle?
2015-12-14T15:34:55 < dongs> not at all
2015-12-14T15:35:02 < dongs> mostly annoyance.
2015-12-14T15:35:14 < zyp> right
2015-12-14T15:35:19 < dongs> had some issues previously, just told them I closed the shit
2015-12-14T15:35:32 < zyp> I've never gotten any questions about anything
2015-12-14T15:35:46 < Fleck> though Norway used € :/
2015-12-14T15:36:02 < zyp> norway is not even member of EU
2015-12-14T15:36:03 < dongs> nope
2015-12-14T15:36:28 < dongs> around 2007 i had some stuff going on and lets just say back then pp didnt have 10k/transaction withdrawal limit
2015-12-14T15:36:47 < zyp> haha
2015-12-14T15:37:21 < dongs> also, it is kinda weird that they do - repeated transfers of < 10k have much higher chance of being flagged as structuring than say a single legit transfer for <reasons>
2015-12-14T15:37:58 < ReadError> if you have anything with 'VESC' in a payment to you or from you, get flagged instant
2015-12-14T15:38:07 < dongs> what is that all about
2015-12-14T15:38:15 < dongs> you tweeted somethi nabout it like a week ago
2015-12-14T15:38:18 < dongs> wtf is vesc
2015-12-14T15:38:22 < dongs> vaping shit?
2015-12-14T15:38:22 < ReadError> its something about VERTICAL ESCAPE VELOCITY
2015-12-14T15:38:31 < ReadError> its a BLDC controller
2015-12-14T15:38:35 < dongs> yea and?
2015-12-14T15:38:47 < dongs> is that a CIA trigger word?
2015-12-14T15:38:51 < ReadError> yea, if those 4 letters are in a payment they think you are building a missle
2015-12-14T15:38:55 < dongs> cool
2015-12-14T15:38:58 < zyp> haha, wat
2015-12-14T15:39:05 < dongs> well, probably cant beat what happend to postal
2015-12-14T15:39:06 < rewolff1> http://vedder.se/2015/01/vesc-open-source-esc/
2015-12-14T15:39:08 < dongs> when he was sending cash to china
2015-12-14T15:39:13 < dongs> and PI was called <hama>+date
2015-12-14T15:39:24 < dongs> and bank stopped his shit to make sure he wasnt financing the Hamasa
2015-12-14T15:39:28 < dongs> er Hamas
2015-12-14T15:39:43 < dongs> syria or watever tehfuck
2015-12-14T15:40:32 < ReadError> Description of payment: "Here is some money to help in your time of crISIS"
2015-12-14T15:40:40 < Fleck> http://vedder.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/pcb_back.jpg << skillz, soldering cap! :)
2015-12-14T15:41:14 < dongs> eh
2015-12-14T15:41:25 < dongs> he just cut that silicone wire and tinned it right?
2015-12-14T15:41:28 < dongs> ive done exactly that
2015-12-14T15:41:43 < ReadError> yea you can pull back the silicone
2015-12-14T15:41:44 < dongs> er cut the silicone ~insulation~
2015-12-14T15:41:46 < dongs> right
2015-12-14T15:41:47 < ReadError> and push it back after
2015-12-14T15:42:24 < GargantuaSauce_> that is an absurdly small shunt resistor
2015-12-14T15:43:08 < dongs> sarcasm?
2015-12-14T15:43:31 < GargantuaSauce_> i mean the value not the size
2015-12-14T15:43:48 < dongs> the less R the less heat right?
2015-12-14T15:43:55 < ReadError> hmmm never seen them with legs like that
2015-12-14T15:44:07 < GargantuaSauce_> yeah it's almost certainly got a lower resistance than the solder joint to it though
2015-12-14T15:44:14 < dongs> heh
2015-12-14T15:44:54 < ReadError> GargantuaSauce_ i use 0.0005 frequently
2015-12-14T15:44:56 < ReadError> works fine
2015-12-14T15:45:04 < ReadError> very accurate
2015-12-14T15:45:22 < GargantuaSauce_> what amp?
2015-12-14T15:45:42 < ReadError> anywhere from 5-70 typically
2015-12-14T15:45:46 < GargantuaSauce_> lifier
2015-12-14T15:45:47 < dongs> lol
2015-12-14T15:45:48 < dongs> anyway.
2015-12-14T15:45:59 < dongs> if I wanted to make power-stealing device
2015-12-14T15:46:03 < ReadError> oh, INA139/169
2015-12-14T15:46:07 < dongs> how big would it need to be to get like 50-100mA @ 5V
2015-12-14T15:46:08 < GargantuaSauce_> cool
2015-12-14T15:46:12 < dongs> by placing it next to a power line?
2015-12-14T15:46:18 < bloated> that's a 3 terminal resistor. the manufacturer would have taken solder resistance into account while sizing the leads.
2015-12-14T15:46:22 < dongs> just rough idea so I dont evne start
2015-12-14T15:46:24 < dongs> if its impossible
2015-12-14T15:47:13 < dongs> http://users.ece.cmu.edu/~vikramg/docs/hotemnets11.pdf
2015-12-14T15:49:35 < dongs> Power (uW)
2015-12-14T15:49:39 < dongs> sounds like I should just give up
2015-12-14T15:50:39 < bloated> what's the current and frequency in the power line from which you want to steal ?
2015-12-14T15:50:56 < dongs> just 100V/60Hz
2015-12-14T15:51:17 < dongs> current...
2015-12-14T15:51:21 < dongs> like.. lights and shit
2015-12-14T15:51:22 < dongs> not a lot.
2015-12-14T15:52:06 < Sync_> > 100V
2015-12-14T15:52:12 < Sync_> srs
2015-12-14T15:52:15 < dongs> japs
2015-12-14T15:52:16 < dongs> yea
2015-12-14T15:53:45 < bloated> maybe if you could loop the power line a few turns it could be possible
2015-12-14T15:54:11 < dongs> nope. its already mounted on beams
2015-12-14T15:54:16 < dongs> wood beams.
2015-12-14T15:55:00 < zyp> yeah, you'd have to loop it to get any significant current
2015-12-14T15:55:32 < zyp> loop one of the conductors, otherwise the fields would cancel each other out
2015-12-14T15:57:07 < ReadError> dongs btw, http://www.readytoflyquads.com/rtf-arm-esc-30a
2015-12-14T15:58:07 < bloated> 0.2uF gives you 0.5 watts from 50Hz AC ... if you could run a long enough strip of foil parallel to the power line to get 0.2uF, your problem is solved.
2015-12-14T15:58:12 < bloated> :p
2015-12-14T15:58:30 < GargantuaSauce_> if you could separate the live and neutral that'd work
2015-12-14T15:58:34 < bloated> no way
2015-12-14T15:58:36 < bloated> you
2015-12-14T15:58:42 < bloated> 'd need 100s of meters of foil
2015-12-14T15:58:48 < bloated> some absurd amount like that
2015-12-14T15:58:54 < GargantuaSauce_> or very thin insulation :)
2015-12-14T16:00:17 < GargantuaSauce_> what is with the line of capacitors on that ec
2015-12-14T16:00:18 < GargantuaSauce_> esc
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2015-12-14T16:06:50 < dongs> zyp, you know simeji jap input right
2015-12-14T16:06:52 < dongs> on assdroid
2015-12-14T16:07:58 < zyp> simeji?
2015-12-14T16:08:05 < dongs> yeah, nobody does.
2015-12-14T16:08:08 < dongs> it was pre-google-keyboard
2015-12-14T16:08:09 < zyp> idk, I use google jap input
2015-12-14T16:08:11 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-14T16:08:22 < zyp> previous phone I used some openwnn shit
2015-12-14T16:08:36 < zyp> why?
2015-12-14T16:09:03 < dongs> haha nothing. something on tv with 2 females that run that place and they look hideous as fuck
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2015-12-14T16:11:17 < dongs> oh wow it exists for iOS too
2015-12-14T16:11:31 < dongs> anyway, all you need to see is http://i.imgur.com/1c6W3YE.jpg
2015-12-14T16:12:18 < dongs> i think i used that stuff in like 2009 or something for a short while
2015-12-14T16:12:50 < dongs> looks like google jp input was released end of 2009
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2015-12-14T16:25:52 < zyp> hmm, I didn't even have an android phone in 2009
2015-12-14T16:26:39 < zyp> this reminds me, I need to get a new phone soon
2015-12-14T16:26:51 < zyp> still like N4, but it's starting to get unreliable
2015-12-14T16:27:32 < zyp> are there any alternatives worth considering other than N5X?
2015-12-14T16:28:52 < zyp> oneplus 2 looked interesting with its dual sim stuff, but apparently second connection would only be 2G
2015-12-14T16:29:16 < zyp> which would be completely useless in places with 3G and up only
2015-12-14T16:29:40 < zyp> i.e. in jp, where I'd like to have a jp sim and norwegian sim at the same time
2015-12-14T16:30:24 < zyp> apart from travelling, I've got no need for dual sim, so that's completely useless then
2015-12-14T16:31:33 < dongs> jap sims are data-only anyway
2015-12-14T16:31:37 < dongs> the ones you can rent that arent ridiculous
2015-12-14T16:31:49 < dongs> and you can receive voice over 2Gshit on norgay sim
2015-12-14T16:32:09 < dongs> 2G = like regular GSM? 900/1800 stuff or whatever?
2015-12-14T16:32:25 < zyp> yeah, there's no GSM in jp, it's all UMTS
2015-12-14T16:32:48 < zyp> (or au with CDMA2000, but that's completely irrelevant)
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2015-12-14T16:44:56 < dongs> zyp, would you go to a cat cafe together with a pal
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2015-12-14T16:46:35 < Laurenceb> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8475051&cid=51113529
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2015-12-14T16:50:02 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/ypigkAq.gifv
2015-12-14T16:50:16 < dongs> that's osu
2015-12-14T16:56:58 < zyp> dongs, idk, I've seen them around but I've never been to one
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2015-12-14T16:57:33 < zyp> I'd probably try it if some of my friends insisted on going
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2015-12-14T18:19:49 < Laurenceb> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8474151&cid=51114613
2015-12-14T18:22:07 < karlp> jpa-: the screw terminals on your ebike controller, do you have that part number around?
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2015-12-14T18:25:49 < jpa-> karlp: sure, KEYS7702
2015-12-14T18:26:02 < jpa-> http://www.tme.eu/fi/details/keys7702/pcb-juotinkarjet/keystone/7702/   available also from digikey etc.
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2015-12-14T19:00:58 < mitrax> does anyone know a cheap 10dBm 433Mhz transmitter?
2015-12-14T19:05:04 < GargantuaSauce_> si4430
2015-12-14T19:05:20 < GargantuaSauce_> cc1101
2015-12-14T19:10:55 < Laurenceb> ^that
2015-12-14T19:11:11 < Laurenceb> or some of the keyfob stuff if you want mega lame
2015-12-14T19:11:37 < Laurenceb> infenion or melexis make it
2015-12-14T19:13:34 < mitrax> ok thanks
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2015-12-14T19:49:18 < Rob235> gross.  I got drunk and lost my vape last night.  Just bought a pack of cigs (first cig in a year and a half) and its disgusting
2015-12-14T19:55:31 < zyp> just quit then? :p
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2015-12-14T21:15:40 < Laurenceb> emdrive crew spotted
2015-12-14T21:15:41 < Laurenceb> http://36.media.tumblr.com/a073e5642aa4169a61674fa50735a158/tumblr_n0wiilk97G1s61tm0o1_1280.jpg
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2015-12-14T21:39:39 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/0aGC0M9.jpg
2015-12-14T21:40:40 < Steffanx> what kind of syndrome do you have Laurenceb?
2015-12-14T21:40:55 < Laurenceb> trollbergurz
2015-12-14T21:41:04 < Steffanx> that's not it.
2015-12-14T21:41:19 < Laurenceb> being British?
2015-12-14T21:42:09 < Steffanx> im not sure yet. I'll tell you when i figured out.
2015-12-14T21:42:26 < Steffanx> or tell me when you figured out :P
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2015-12-14T22:08:15 < aandrew> lol SJW is a compliment
2015-12-14T22:08:21 < aandrew> what the fuck is a cuck though?
2015-12-14T22:08:34 < aandrew> shame about the british thing, Laurenceb :-(
2015-12-14T22:08:41 < aandrew> that's damn near incurable
2015-12-14T22:09:27 < scrts> what does SJW mean?
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2015-12-14T22:14:12 < upgrdman_> scrts, https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjDybCAldzJAhUH3WMKHWBKC2MQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urbandictionary.com%2Fdefine.php%3Fterm%3DSJW&usg=AFQjCNF0SRUaTLCPXVphsa-QhTX3G5HdRA&sig2=9iAPIEgtR1WUiuZDX-dJaQ
2015-12-14T22:14:15 < upgrdman_> fuck
2015-12-14T22:14:23 < upgrdman_> scrts, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SJW
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2015-12-14T22:15:04 < scrts> blocked at work...
2015-12-14T22:15:13 < scrts> might be getting the abreviation :)))
2015-12-14T22:15:19 < upgrdman_> Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of.
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2015-12-14T22:15:41 < upgrdman_> They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.
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2015-12-14T22:30:42 < scrts> thanks :)
2015-12-14T22:34:28 < ReadError> these probemasters are super sharp, must be mindful when probing
2015-12-14T22:38:44 < aandrew> you're not supposed to stick them up your poop chute
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2015-12-14T22:54:08 < PeterM> jpa-, why did you chose those fets(IRFS7530) for the motor controller? IPT007N06N are quite a bit nicer for the application imho
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2015-12-14T23:32:41 < upgrdman_> one of my coworked thinks he's "into computers". just found out he replaced his motherboard because his computer was slow. just the motherboard. same cpu and memory.
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2015-12-14T23:35:32 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2015-12-14T23:37:33 < BrainDamage> maybe he means into computers literally
2015-12-14T23:37:43 < BrainDamage> like he places his head in the cabinet to fuck with them
2015-12-14T23:37:50 < BrainDamage> ... or something else
2015-12-14T23:38:51 < kakimir> he is just tarded
2015-12-14T23:38:54 < upgrdman_> i told him to reformat his hdd and store over fresh. he said he already tried, and things were still slow. he felt that mobos get slower over time.
2015-12-14T23:39:01 < kakimir> typical one
2015-12-14T23:41:29 < kakimir> ask him if he has cleared system32?
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2015-12-15T01:06:17 < upgrdman_> anyone here ordered from the Microsoft store?
2015-12-15T01:06:40 < upgrdman_> i order from those fags on thursday. it's monday evening and my order still has not shipped.
2015-12-15T01:06:56 < upgrdman_> and all items show as in stock and order is "in process"
2015-12-15T01:07:29 < upgrdman_> superbia, ? no
2015-12-15T01:08:11 < upgrdman_> no
2015-12-15T01:08:14 < upgrdman_> surface bro 4
2015-12-15T01:10:51 < upgrdman_> that fine.
2015-12-15T01:10:55 < upgrdman_> show
2015-12-15T01:12:20 < upgrdman_> firmware in java? why?
2015-12-15T01:12:35 < kakimir> madnew
2015-12-15T01:12:43 < kakimir> ness
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2015-12-15T01:54:14 < dongs> pretty  sure bro is on various backorders
2015-12-15T01:54:20 < dongs> especially if you got highend thing
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2015-12-15T02:15:56 < kakimir> yo
2015-12-15T02:16:05 < kakimir> buy ux305ca
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2015-12-15T02:18:33 < dongs> hes gonna be shocked to find screen on bro4 is also "gray"
2015-12-15T02:19:23 < kakimir> gray as matte?
2015-12-15T02:20:17 < kakimir> hah so ugly device
2015-12-15T02:21:18 < kakimir> sun glare display, some pen wrapped to it, where is the keyboard?
2015-12-15T02:21:31 < kakimir> 4GB entrylevel
2015-12-15T02:21:40 < dongs> my 12" 4K toshiba is arriving in 8 days
2015-12-15T02:22:30 < dongs> was looking at bro4 but i actually use my shit for work
2015-12-15T02:22:33 < dongs> 1 usb port = fuck off
2015-12-15T02:22:47 < kakimir> 1usb port?
2015-12-15T02:22:48 < kakimir> :D
2015-12-15T02:23:03 < kakimir> I have three
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2015-12-15T02:26:10 < dongs> http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/radius-12/P25W-C2300-4K
2015-12-15T02:26:28 < dongs> looks like 3 usb
2015-12-15T02:26:31 < dongs> as well
2015-12-15T02:28:40 < kakimir> 1port because fuck you that's why
2015-12-15T02:31:43 < GargantuaSauce_> 1 port to plug into the bottom of your mouse
2015-12-15T02:31:54 < GargantuaSauce_> #thinkdifferent
2015-12-15T02:32:14 < dongs> yeah the touchpad on bro keyboard is worthless
2015-12-15T02:32:22 < dongs> so i end up using the onyl usb port for a fucking microsoft mouse transmitter
2015-12-15T02:32:26 < dongs> ?????????????????????????
2015-12-15T02:32:43 < kakimir> who da fuq uses usb for mouse in year 2015 anyways
2015-12-15T02:32:54 < kakimir> it's bluetooth 4.0 era
2015-12-15T02:33:00 < dongs> lolj ewtooth
2015-12-15T02:33:03 < dongs> welcome to lag
2015-12-15T02:33:15 < dongs> jewtooth mouse = move now, see change 1 second later
2015-12-15T02:33:22 < kakimir> nope
2015-12-15T02:33:39 < kakimir> my last shittooth was like that
2015-12-15T02:33:44 < dongs> dont nope me motherfucker, ive seen it with my own eyes
2015-12-15T02:34:44 < dongs> anyway i got logitech mx anywhere 2
2015-12-15T02:34:46 < dongs> to go with craptop
2015-12-15T02:34:53 < dongs> which has both jewtooth and logitech rf thingy
2015-12-15T02:34:59 < dongs> will surely do tests and see
2015-12-15T02:35:31 < kakimir> mx what?
2015-12-15T02:35:41 < dongs> google that.
2015-12-15T02:35:45 < dongs> entire string.
2015-12-15T02:35:48 < dongs> its what its called.
2015-12-15T02:36:21 < kakimir> hah
2015-12-15T02:37:04 < kakimir> what a turd
2015-12-15T02:37:15 < englishman> i have $15 5.8g mouse
2015-12-15T02:37:18 < englishman> works fuckingawesome
2015-12-15T02:37:25 < englishman> betterthan bro4 padand kb
2015-12-15T02:37:30 < englishman> you can see spacebar is awesome
2015-12-15T02:38:00 < kakimir> I think I should conduct a bluetooth test with my mouse and laptop
2015-12-15T02:38:11 < dongs> whoever thought removing physical buttons off touchpads was a g ood idea needs to be murdered
2015-12-15T02:38:11 < kakimir> place video camera recording 50fps
2015-12-15T02:38:16 < englishman> maybe bt4 works better than bt2
2015-12-15T02:38:23 < kakimir> and then impact mouse with some object
2015-12-15T02:38:27 < englishman> except windows bt still crashes 80% of the time
2015-12-15T02:38:34 < dongs> and the same faggot who then made the touch area OVER BUTTONS still work for positioning
2015-12-15T02:38:46 < dongs> so as youre trying to fucking click a button, it moves!
2015-12-15T02:39:11 < dongs> i remember like 10 years ago touchpads werent that awful i wonder what hte fuck changed
2015-12-15T02:39:38 < kakimir> are you sure dongs your bluetooth implementation is not the culprit here?
2015-12-15T02:40:25 < artag> dongs: they added scrollwheel emulation. too many gestures on one small pad.
2015-12-15T02:40:40 < dongs> i turn all that shit off
2015-12-15T02:40:41 < englishman> multitouch?
2015-12-15T02:40:45 < englishman> thickness?
2015-12-15T02:40:57 < dongs> even with it all off and just being a touchbpad
2015-12-15T02:40:59 < dongs> it doesnt work
2015-12-15T02:41:08 < dongs> like i said, even click area is moving cursor
2015-12-15T02:41:10 < dongs> while youre clicking on it
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2015-12-15T02:43:17 < englishman> whats innovating today fellow technology inventors
2015-12-15T02:44:14 < dongs> im making an evaluation board
2015-12-15T02:44:23 < dongs> with pic32mz, gps, ir sensors, camera, sd card on it
2015-12-15T02:44:25 < dongs> and wifi module
2015-12-15T02:44:54 < dongs> im thinking of using LM317 to power it from 12V source what do you think
2015-12-15T02:45:27 < englishman> you should dickstart it
2015-12-15T02:46:00 < dongs> i just need to be able to source 20k PIC32s in case im successsful
2015-12-15T02:46:09 < dongs> but I think i might just know t he place where to get them
2015-12-15T02:46:49 < englishman> we should send Laurenceb to the auction
2015-12-15T02:46:57 < englishman> how much can a train ticket be
2015-12-15T02:48:20 < dongs> 20k LM1117s is still like $6k
2015-12-15T02:48:34 < dongs> at prices jordan dewa paid
2015-12-15T02:49:09 < englishman> image search for jordan dewa is interesting
2015-12-15T02:49:18 < dongs> i think its duwa
2015-12-15T02:49:21 < dongs> or someshit
2015-12-15T02:49:35 < englishman> no zanos
2015-12-15T02:49:38 < dongs> https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-duwa-a69bb41b/en
2015-12-15T02:49:57 < dongs> ohhh, he updatred his dicked-in
2015-12-15T02:50:03 < dongs> that he quit zano in nov
2015-12-15T02:50:15 < englishman> Technical Sales Engineer
2015-12-15T02:50:25 < dongs> apparentlyt he was in charge of sourcing
2015-12-15T02:50:29 < englishman> more like, got quitted
2015-12-15T02:51:35 < englishman> mit online course in education, heheh
2015-12-15T02:51:47 < dongs> ya that dude is all about coursera
2015-12-15T02:51:57 < dongs> shitty diplomas from online unis
2015-12-15T02:54:48 < Sync_> huh did ultra electronics do zano shits?!
2015-12-15T02:54:49 < Sync_> wut
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2015-12-15T02:55:01 < dongs> wats ulta elctronics
2015-12-15T02:55:34 < Sync_> it is in the dicked in
2015-12-15T02:55:41 < dongs> that was his previous employer?
2015-12-15T02:55:46 < Sync_> yep
2015-12-15T02:55:56 < dongs> rite so prpobly not
2015-12-15T02:56:00 < Sync_> well
2015-12-15T02:56:02 < Sync_> same city
2015-12-15T02:56:19 < dongs> doesnt matter
2015-12-15T02:56:24 < dongs> that guy has never layout a pcb before
2015-12-15T02:56:25 < Sync_> and didn't ivan blow some corporate cock before with mil hardware?
2015-12-15T02:56:31 < englishman> hahaha
2015-12-15T02:56:32 < dongs> he claimed he did
2015-12-15T02:56:39 < Sync_> yeah
2015-12-15T02:56:42 < englishman> anyone can *claim* to suck dick
2015-12-15T02:56:44 < Sync_> might be related
2015-12-15T03:00:09 < englishman> repost http://i.imgur.com/BZdYAV4.jpg
2015-12-15T03:02:52 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/woxp91W.jpg
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2015-12-15T03:15:21 < Laurenceb> old
2015-12-15T03:15:53 < englishman> very
2015-12-15T03:16:07 < Laurenceb> someone ping me?
2015-12-15T03:16:10 < Laurenceb> on zano auction
2015-12-15T03:16:12 < englishman> yes
2015-12-15T03:16:17 < englishman> when is it?
2015-12-15T03:16:21 < Laurenceb> I dont know lol
2015-12-15T03:16:22 < englishman> and how are you getting there
2015-12-15T03:16:32 < Laurenceb> train cuz I'm poor and have no car
2015-12-15T03:16:49 < Laurenceb> oh wait train costs like 5 bazillion pounds
2015-12-15T03:16:52 < Laurenceb> I fail
2015-12-15T03:17:10 < __rob> nothing wrong with corsera or any of the online stuff
2015-12-15T03:17:25 < __rob> not sure i'd put a certificate on my cv, but amazing resource
2015-12-15T03:17:40 < Laurenceb> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/85/78/b2/8578b2a0ddbd9c1a9ccb77e92c363f38.jpg
2015-12-15T03:18:52 < Laurenceb> meanwhile in england
2015-12-15T03:18:53 < Laurenceb> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/85/78/b2/8578b2a0ddbd9c1a9ccb77e92c363f38.jpg
2015-12-15T03:20:24 < __rob> what are you hoping to buy from the zano auction ?
2015-12-15T03:20:41 < __rob> half built zanos
2015-12-15T03:21:02 < BrainDamage> they have spent absurd amount of money in overkill instrumentation
2015-12-15T03:21:12 < BrainDamage> like 100k teks
2015-12-15T03:22:32 < __rob> they aren't that much
2015-12-15T03:22:39 < __rob> but yea, looked like 30k or so
2015-12-15T03:24:55 < Laurenceb> to continue the birdemic theme
2015-12-15T03:25:03 < Laurenceb> meanwhile at zano HQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nObH1R9ONw
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2015-12-15T03:43:02 < Getty> the android updater really seems to be quality assured by the interns
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2015-12-15T06:11:35 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/ZTg6BhK.gifv
2015-12-15T06:23:15 < upgrdman> R2COM, i know. sorry. i've short on content.
2015-12-15T06:23:24 < upgrdman> too lazy to browse much of reddit right now :)
2015-12-15T06:26:20 < upgrdman> seent it
2015-12-15T06:33:15 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://i.imgur.com/WbKS1ML.gifv
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2015-12-15T06:48:10 < dongs> zyp: you've paid for PCB right, remaining invoice is just pcba?
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2015-12-15T06:53:09 < dongs> thats unrelated
2015-12-15T06:53:14 < dongs> style is manifest
2015-12-15T06:53:42 < dongs> maybe it excludes manifest if you unser that
2015-12-15T06:53:43 < dongs> right
2015-12-15T06:57:15 < dongs> thers a separate manifest setting tab/etc
2015-12-15T06:57:18 < dongs> manifest tool? or someshit
2015-12-15T06:57:22 < dongs> and embed manifest in linker
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2015-12-15T07:06:13 < jadew> R2COM, I don't know, the manifest might get disabled in some header file
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2015-12-15T07:08:15 < jadew> should work fine if you compile with multibyte support too
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2015-12-15T07:12:27 < jadew> not sure how you can deal with no character set
2015-12-15T07:12:35 < jadew> why is that even an option?
2015-12-15T07:19:13 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://i.imgur.com/dcFweYu.gifv
2015-12-15T07:24:08 < dongs> http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/videonews/fnn?a=20151215-00000225-fnn-soci
2015-12-15T07:24:09 < dongs> lol
2015-12-15T07:24:19 < dongs> snow starts, japs start crashing
2015-12-15T07:30:37 < dongs> got free spot in todays panel, added in my innovation
2015-12-15T07:31:46 < emeb_mac> the free "G-spot"
2015-12-15T07:32:04 < dongs> R2COM: just fixing up stuff that sells
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2015-12-15T07:32:47 < jpa-> PeterM: looks more expensive - but honestly, i'm not experienced enough to see any difference between those two options so i just went with whatever VESC used originally
2015-12-15T07:33:04 < dongs> jpoa, what are you doing wiht vesc
2015-12-15T07:35:25 < jpa-> dongs: ebike
2015-12-15T07:35:34 < jpa-> or burning fets; remains to be seen
2015-12-15T07:36:26 < dongs> o
2015-12-15T07:38:50 < jpa-> bah, i have this radio proto reversed except 3 unknown bytes remaining
2015-12-15T07:39:16 < jpa-> it's some silly auxilary command register that doesn't seem to matter most of the time, but sometimes does..
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2015-12-15T08:04:15 < zyp> dongs, I think I've paid for parts only
2015-12-15T08:05:11 < emeb_mac> so here's a weird thing. did a product using a new F302C8 part and the ADC inputs have really crappy scaling
2015-12-15T08:05:33 < emeb_mac> inputs @ AVDD don't give readings of 4095
2015-12-15T08:05:37 < emeb_mac> more like 4030
2015-12-15T08:06:54 < upgrdman> anyone here familiar with polymer capacitors?
2015-12-15T08:07:13 < upgrdman> is it basically like an electrolytic that works well in higher temps?
2015-12-15T08:08:18 < zyp> emeb_mac, did you calibrate the ADC?
2015-12-15T08:08:50 < emeb_mac> zyp: yes
2015-12-15T08:09:17 < emeb_mac> zyp: calibration only takes care of zero offset though
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2015-12-15T08:21:52 < dongs> zyp, in that case i have invoice for pcb+pcba
2015-12-15T08:25:48 < emeb_mac> R2COM: common ground for all. Separate AVDD regulator
2015-12-15T08:27:10 < jpa-> emeb_mac: so your test setup is basically:   1. direct wire from AVDD to ADC input  2. calibrate adc with the ADCAL bit   3. regular conversion on a single channel with reasonable sample time?
2015-12-15T08:27:56 < dongs> do you have any beadz
2015-12-15T08:28:05 < dongs> between reg and avdd
2015-12-15T08:28:12 < dongs> (obvious dum question, emeb is prpo)
2015-12-15T08:28:14 < dongs> pro, too
2015-12-15T08:28:58 < jpa-> dongs: would a pro have or have not? :P
2015-12-15T08:29:01 < emeb_mac> R2COM: AVDD is from a separate regulator
2015-12-15T08:29:06 < emeb_mac> on this circuit
2015-12-15T08:29:12 < emeb_mac> so no beadz
2015-12-15T08:29:42 < emeb_mac> but AVDD is 3.301V vs VDD 3.250V or so
2015-12-15T08:32:09 < emeb_mac> R2COM: yes - some inputs are ratiometric pots, so inputs are at full AVDD
2015-12-15T08:32:26 < emeb_mac> still reads ~4030
2015-12-15T08:33:02 < emeb_mac> not on this board
2015-12-15T08:33:20 < emeb_mac> very strange - first time I've seen such a mismatch in ADC readings on STM32
2015-12-15T08:35:17 < emeb_mac> interesting idea
2015-12-15T08:35:37 < emeb_mac> might get some F302C8 parts onto a breakout and test separately from this ckt
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2015-12-15T08:43:58 < zyp> dongs, ok, good
2015-12-15T08:44:06 < zyp> I checked, can only see parts invoice
2015-12-15T08:44:22 < dongs> excellent
2015-12-15T08:44:24 < dongs> forwarding
2015-12-15T08:45:04 < dongs> except you pay to me since I already paid this i forgot when
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2015-12-15T08:49:01 < zyp> oh, fuck
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2015-12-15T08:49:15 < zyp> I missed last line
2015-12-15T08:49:17 < zyp> and paid them
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2015-12-15T08:56:33 < dongs> lewl
2015-12-15T08:56:46 < dongs> ill work it as credit on my next shit or somethin then
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2015-12-15T10:36:30 < dongs> oh damn the new click+drag scrubber on gfycat is amazing
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2015-12-15T10:38:27 < ReadError> ermm i cant figure out how to use it
2015-12-15T10:38:33 < ReadError> just makes the image smaller bigger
2015-12-15T10:38:43 < dongs> no
2015-12-15T10:38:50 < dongs> sec
2015-12-15T10:38:54 < dongs> ill link to something atht  i know it works on
2015-12-15T10:39:02 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/ViciousHollowHen
2015-12-15T10:39:07 < dongs> click the little hand with ><
2015-12-15T10:39:11 < dongs> and then drag mouse left/right
2015-12-15T10:39:21 < dongs> hand is in bottom left
2015-12-15T10:39:32 < dongs> white noramlly, blue after you enable the scrubber
2015-12-15T10:39:52 < ReadError> oh
2015-12-15T10:39:59 < ReadError> i kinda liked the corner thing
2015-12-15T10:40:07 < dongs> eww fuck off
2015-12-15T10:40:10 < dongs> teh corner thing was way harder
2015-12-15T10:40:16 < dongs> this is great
2015-12-15T10:45:29 < ReadError> did you listen to the clive1 podcast
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2015-12-15T10:59:19 < dongs> no
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2015-12-15T11:06:51 < ReadError> he hates timecube and loves keil, yall like brothers practically
2015-12-15T11:08:29 < ReadError> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/logitech-g502-proteus-core-optical-gaming-mouse-black/4642008.p?id=1219100304021 pretty good deal if in USA
2015-12-15T11:09:00 < crt> looks too fagged out
2015-12-15T11:09:54 < zyp> is clive1 that asshole on the ST forum?
2015-12-15T11:10:06 < crt> he is cool
2015-12-15T11:10:33 < zyp> idk, I don't usually read the ST forums
2015-12-15T11:10:37 < ReadError> zyp yea the guy with like 12k post lol
2015-12-15T11:10:38 < crt> i read a bit
2015-12-15T11:10:49 < crt> he seems to answer a lot of basic qns
2015-12-15T11:10:50 < zyp> but somehow I have him pinned down as an asshole, idk
2015-12-15T11:10:52 < ReadError> said he really has 20k+ but ST cant run a forum
2015-12-15T11:11:03 < crt> rtfm, etc.
2015-12-15T11:17:23 < dongs> that mouse looks gay as fuck
2015-12-15T11:17:40 < crt> lol
2015-12-15T11:18:19 < crt> i'm a gangsta with the M185
2015-12-15T11:18:38 < dongs> why does it say it works with lunix computers
2015-12-15T11:18:46 < dongs> lunix still needs restart to detect a mouse plugged in
2015-12-15T11:19:12 < crt> well fuck that
2015-12-15T11:22:29 < PeterM> speaking of mice, on sunday mine stopped working after fuck who knows how many years, needed to replace the usb cable, had fatigued
2015-12-15T11:24:48 < scummos> ?!
2015-12-15T11:25:00 < scummos> linux certainly doesn't need a reboot to detect a usb mouse, that's just wrong
2015-12-15T11:25:22 < zyp> PeterM, I think mine is developing a bad connection as well
2015-12-15T11:26:06 < zyp> but I bought it in 2004, so that's about time I guess
2015-12-15T11:26:11 < PeterM> zyp, yeah, i just pulled it apart, cut about half a meter off the end of the cable nearest teh mouse and soldered it back on
2015-12-15T11:26:22 < PeterM> zyp what do you have?
2015-12-15T11:26:30 < zyp> Logitech MX510
2015-12-15T11:26:35 < PeterM> iirc mine is late 2007
2015-12-15T11:26:37 < PeterM> ahh
2015-12-15T11:26:40 < PeterM> ive got a g5
2015-12-15T11:27:00 < zyp> MX510 was the generation before MX518, which everybody seemed to have at some point
2015-12-15T11:27:21 < PeterM> yeah, i've got an mx518 in my laptop bag
2015-12-15T11:27:50 < PeterM> iirc it was pretty pricey for a fairly basic mouse
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2015-12-15T11:30:56 < dongs> I havce M560
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2015-12-15T11:31:00 < dongs> am i not cool enough?
2015-12-15T11:32:48 < PeterM> nah its probably fine
2015-12-15T11:33:15 < PeterM> because when i bought my mouse pretty much all wirelss mice were rubbish though - battery life of like 2 months
2015-12-15T11:43:16 < [7]> more like 2 years nowadays, even with heavy use
2015-12-15T11:43:29 < dongs> i've got batterizer in mine
2015-12-15T11:43:33 < dongs> to make sure it lasts 2.5 years
2015-12-15T11:44:14 < [7]> logitech M705 in my case
2015-12-15T11:44:16 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteriser-extend-battery-life-by-up-to-8x#/updates
2015-12-15T11:44:25 < zyp> I used to use a wireless mouse, had this wireless rechargable shit in it, then the battery died and I went back to the MX510
2015-12-15T11:45:00 < PeterM> yeah, same reason why i use g5
2015-12-15T11:45:16 < PeterM> if the g5 runs out of batteries, i'm probably not using the computer ;)
2015-12-15T11:45:51 < ReadError> batteriser is eevblog dave's ZANO
2015-12-15T11:46:21 < [7]> not just dave's... a few other tech blogger as well
2015-12-15T11:46:40 < dongs> ohh
2015-12-15T11:46:46 < dongs> indienono allows threaded replies now
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2015-12-15T11:47:36 < PeterM> lol butterizerr
2015-12-15T11:48:05 < dongs> 400k wasted on repeating buckboost circuit thats in anything these days
2015-12-15T11:48:24 < PeterM> yerp
2015-12-15T11:48:37 < dongs> eor just buck if its > 1 cell
2015-12-15T11:48:39 < dongs> shrugging
2015-12-15T11:48:39 < PeterM> 400k wasted by dumbasses
2015-12-15T11:48:55 < PeterM> was probably going to be spent on mcdonalds anyway
2015-12-15T11:49:07 < [7]> I'm really curious to see how they are squeezing it into that case though
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2015-12-15T11:50:02 < dongs> they will use some csp and chipcoil, it will be fragile as fuck
2015-12-15T11:50:08 < dongs> and useless
2015-12-15T11:50:32 < dongs> zanoforum ded
2015-12-15T11:50:40 < PeterM> yer and like flexpcb for thinnest pcb
2015-12-15T11:51:06 < [7]> well to get >500mA through something that small, you can't really have much inductance. several MHz of switching frequency? did they claim anything about FCC/CE compliance btw?
2015-12-15T11:51:24 < dongs> im sure they haven't thought of that yet
2015-12-15T11:51:26 < PeterM> why would use zango forum when you could use rcgroupies
2015-12-15T11:51:38 < dongs> it'll be a surprise a day before shipping
2015-12-15T11:51:41 < dongs> like zanoooooooo
2015-12-15T11:51:57 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEACA_fA5ho
2015-12-15T11:52:28 < [7]> I vaguely remember them claiming that UL verified their performance claims, which is kinda funny
2015-12-15T11:53:19 < PeterM> dongs, that girl is probably primary target market of lily - for selfies
2015-12-15T11:54:26 < dongs> http://frequentgadget.com/2015/12/06/92/
2015-12-15T11:54:41 < dongs> oh no
2015-12-15T11:54:44 < dongs> they removed zano
2015-12-15T11:54:47 < dongs> im late to the party
2015-12-15T11:55:01 < [7]> another interesting thing about batterizers: how many products (e.g. flashlights) will have issues with metal cased battery holders and multiple cells in series, shorting out cells through the batterizer's negative contact?
2015-12-15T11:55:49 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/14/faa_drone_registration_rules/
2015-12-15T11:55:50 < dongs> yessss
2015-12-15T11:56:10 < dongs> [7]: short out how/
2015-12-15T11:56:10 < [7]> on top of that, the rather sharp and inconveniently angled edge of that negative contact might pierce through the cell's outer insulation, shorting out the cell, as the cell's case will in most cases be connected to the positive contact?
2015-12-15T11:57:11 < [7]> dongs: well 2 batterizers in series in a metal pipe. the batterizer's "shell" of one will be shorted by the case to the other one's, shorting out the output of one of them
2015-12-15T11:57:19 < dongs> oh
2015-12-15T11:57:21 < dongs> lol
2015-12-15T11:57:53 < ReadError> dongs ya that registration thing is retarded, but it could have been worse i guess
2015-12-15T11:58:40 < [7]> dongs: I'd really laugh at them if they did something FCC-wise like the linkit boards
2015-12-15T11:58:48 < [7]> see the last two pages of http://labs.mediatek.com/fileMedia/download/87c801b5-d1e6-4227-9a29-b5421f2955ac
2015-12-15T12:00:23 < [7]> "This equipment complies with FCC radiation exposure limits set forth for an uncontrolled environment. This equipment should be installed and operated with minimum distance 20cm between the radiator & your body.  The OEM integrator has to be aware not to provide information to the end user regarding how to install or remove this RF module in the user’s manual of the end product which integrates this module."
2015-12-15T12:00:30 < [7]> imagine something like that applied to batterizers :P
2015-12-15T12:01:47 < dongs> nice
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2015-12-15T12:17:36 < ReadError> hmm looks like they are doing a 144 pin nucleo series now
2015-12-15T12:17:58 < ReadError> http://www.carminenoviello.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/nucleo_144_large-2-660x330.jpg
2015-12-15T12:18:23 < zyp> wat
2015-12-15T12:19:05 < zyp> is that F7?
2015-12-15T12:19:18 < zyp> if so, that's almost what the F7 disco should have been
2015-12-15T12:19:42 < zyp> because the lack of proper IO on the F7 disco is annoying
2015-12-15T12:21:25 < ReadError> zyp yes they have F746ZG target
2015-12-15T12:22:02 < zyp> might be the first nucleo board worth caring about then
2015-12-15T12:22:05 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/lgtjL.jpg
2015-12-15T12:22:16 < zyp> if I ever get around to use F7 for anything
2015-12-15T12:26:05 < Amperture> why
2015-12-15T12:26:12 < Amperture> why does it have Tarduino headers?
2015-12-15T12:26:31 < ReadError> f7 disco does
2015-12-15T12:26:34 < ReadError> and thats ALL
2015-12-15T12:26:42 < Amperture> what?
2015-12-15T12:26:45 < Amperture> Bullshit
2015-12-15T12:26:53 < Amperture> Show me
2015-12-15T12:27:45 < ReadError> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1Q8AAOSwTapV3on~/s-l1600.jpg
2015-12-15T12:28:14 < PeterM> "u fukken wot m8"
2015-12-15T12:28:32 < Amperture> So, I guess Nucleo is the way to go
2015-12-15T12:28:49 < Amperture> Other than Arduino Headers, that Nucleo F7 board does look kinda hot
2015-12-15T12:30:04 < ReadError> http://www.carminenoviello.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/nucleo_144_large.jpg
2015-12-15T12:30:12 < ReadError> well every pin has a pad
2015-12-15T12:30:16 < ReadError> so not a big deal
2015-12-15T12:30:52 < dongs> but does it work with cube
2015-12-15T12:31:13 < PeterM> dunno, ask jean calude
2015-12-15T12:32:12 < ReadError> nice they added user usb too
2015-12-15T12:35:28 < Amperture> Is that a user usb?
2015-12-15T12:35:34 < Amperture> Looks like ethernet to me
2015-12-15T12:35:45 < dongs> the usb right next to it..........
2015-12-15T12:35:46 < dongs> duh
2015-12-15T12:35:51 < dongs> stdink is on the other end
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2015-12-15T13:00:11 < Lux> dongs: where did you get the link to that unlisted Lily vid ?
2015-12-15T13:00:20 < Lux> looks horrible btw
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2015-12-15T13:02:27 < karlp> yay, nucleo with user usb, finally
2015-12-15T13:07:32 < dongs> Lux: its in their dickstarter updates i think
2015-12-15T13:07:40 < dongs> it was retweeted elsewhere
2015-12-15T13:08:17 < Lux> ah ok, thanks
2015-12-15T13:08:30 < Lux> i wonder if they manage to get rid of that yello
2015-12-15T13:08:41 < dongs> they addressed  that
2015-12-15T13:08:58 < dongs> -The current dampening and wiring cause internal vibrations, resulting in wobble. We are adjusting the durometer of the vibration dampening system and re-assembling the wires to ensure this wobble is removed.
2015-12-15T13:09:02 < dongs> -The unbalanced fisheye distortion is caused by a mistuning of the external polycarbonate lens. We have already re-tuned the external lens and this issue will not appear on the production version.
2015-12-15T13:09:07 < dongs> -Our electronic stabilization software (EIS) was not used in this video. We will be porting this piece to the unit in the coming days and expect much better performance. More on that soon.
2015-12-15T13:09:11 < dongs> lol
2015-12-15T13:09:51 < Lux> sounds like: we are half way done, but it'll be fixed soon...
2015-12-15T13:10:27 < zyp> zano v2?
2015-12-15T13:10:40 < dongs> just some dumb quad
2015-12-15T13:10:44 < dongs> at least it flies
2015-12-15T13:10:44 < Lux> was just thinking the same :)
2015-12-15T13:10:46 < dongs> unlike zano
2015-12-15T13:10:58 < Lux> ya, there are real vids showing how it works
2015-12-15T13:12:20 < Lux> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td5fZhGNz9M
2015-12-15T13:13:20 < Lux> it also kinda sucks, that the battery is built in and non removable
2015-12-15T13:13:34 < Lux> plus it weighs > 1kg iirc
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2015-12-15T13:13:59 < dongs> $5 to FAA plz
2015-12-15T13:14:09 < dongs> new faa limit is 250grams
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2015-12-15T13:16:39 < zyp> norway also just got laws for that shit
2015-12-15T13:17:09 < zyp> but recreational flying is exempt from most of it and have their own list of restrictions
2015-12-15T13:18:28 < Fleck> https://www.airdog.com/ << those are being built 200m from my home
2015-12-15T13:18:48 < dongs> more like airdong.com
2015-12-15T13:18:58 < dongs> lol, some gooks own that
2015-12-15T13:19:23 < dongs> airline?
2015-12-15T13:19:46 < dongs> haha they link to www.smartdongs.com
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2015-12-15T13:24:43 < ReadError> http://gfycat.com/MilkyTidyCoelacanth
2015-12-15T13:26:52 < ReadError> http://gfycat.com/HarmfulUntriedKilldeer oo i like this one
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2015-12-15T13:40:08 < aep> on the f1 is there any magic i need to go from input to outpin pin? the thing won't pull...
2015-12-15T13:42:19 < zyp> in what sense?
2015-12-15T13:42:46 < zyp> normal gpio or AF mode?
2015-12-15T13:42:55 < aep> uh, i do set_mode (input) and that works dandy, then after a while i do output and clear, but it won't pull. its still float
2015-12-15T13:43:01 < aep> f1 doesnt have af
2015-12-15T13:43:12 < zyp> of course it does
2015-12-15T13:43:16 < aep> oh hm
2015-12-15T13:43:17 < zyp> just not AF mux
2015-12-15T13:43:19 < aep> right
2015-12-15T13:43:27 < aep> well i didnt set it to af
2015-12-15T13:43:30 < zyp> what's this for?
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2015-12-15T13:43:34 < aep> but i _did_ use spi in the meantime on the pin
2015-12-15T13:43:36 < zyp> some shared bus?
2015-12-15T13:43:39 < zyp> or what?
2015-12-15T13:43:40 < aep> yeah
2015-12-15T13:43:48 < aep> synchronization for spi startup
2015-12-15T13:44:02 < zyp> are you sure you don't want opendrain mode?
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2015-12-15T13:44:03 < aep> (no i wont add a CS line :P)
2015-12-15T13:44:11 < zyp> or idk
2015-12-15T13:44:11 < aep> oh. good point
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2015-12-15T13:44:22 < aep> i thought pull is open drain D:
2015-12-15T13:44:30 < aep> no wait. eeeh
2015-12-15T13:45:25 < aep> so basically the idea is that the sender will wait for the receiver to pull on IO
2015-12-15T13:45:40 < aep> and then it starts regular spi
2015-12-15T13:46:31 < aep> the receiver (stm32f1) has IO float, except on startup, then its supposed to pull
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2015-12-15T13:47:25 < aep> i'll try opendrain tho, maybe that works
2015-12-15T13:48:36 < aep> i dont understand why, but this works
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2015-12-15T13:57:48 < zyp> that's usually a bad thing
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2015-12-15T13:58:13 < zyp> understanding why something doesn't work is usually more useful than not understanding why something works
2015-12-15T14:01:06 < aep> you dont say :D
2015-12-15T14:01:36 < aep> not sure whats going on. debugging with a scope now
2015-12-15T14:05:26 < aep> oh. found it.
2015-12-15T14:05:35 < aep> i was using AF_PUSH_PULL not PUSH_PULL
2015-12-15T14:05:37 < aep> duh
2015-12-15T14:05:57 < aep> thanks:)
2015-12-15T14:06:03 < zyp> ah, yeah, GPIOv1 have those in the same register
2015-12-15T14:06:20 < zyp> v2 have one for mode and one for PP/OD
2015-12-15T14:06:39 < aep> yeah makes sense
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2015-12-15T14:40:27 < dongs> is there a changelog for peripherals v1->v2->vx
2015-12-15T14:41:07 < zyp> haha
2015-12-15T14:41:23 < zyp> diff RM0008 RM0090
2015-12-15T14:41:37 < dongs> ffff
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2015-12-15T15:15:28 < aep> zyp: in case you care (and still work with nrf's) https://github.com/aep/blackmagic
2015-12-15T15:19:22 < zyp> why just nrf?
2015-12-15T15:21:47 < zyp> uh, that's just bitbanging spi
2015-12-15T15:22:18 < zyp> and has all the problems that normal hardware spi would have, i.e. that it's slow as fuck
2015-12-15T15:23:55 < zyp> or to generalize further, bitbanging sync serial
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2015-12-15T15:31:17 < Laurenceb> http://idle.slashdot.org/story/15/12/14/2311205/texas-plumber-sues-car-dealer-after-his-truck-ends-up-in-videos-of-syrias-front-lines
2015-12-15T15:31:19 < Laurenceb> lulz
2015-12-15T15:33:04 < zyp> haha
2015-12-15T15:37:00 < aep> zyp: nah its alot faster
2015-12-15T15:37:02 < aep> for me anyway
2015-12-15T15:37:11 < aep> but ofc if sucks compared to having working hardware :P
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2015-12-15T15:37:35 < aep> i find myself not having working hardware on the nrf quite often
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2015-12-15T15:38:24 < zyp> that's besides the point
2015-12-15T15:38:53 < aep> is it? then i didn't get your point
2015-12-15T15:39:35 < aep> oh you're saying i might as well do uart and not bother. yeah probably
2015-12-15T15:39:37 < zyp> you're still blocking and printing, which would hold up your application during the process
2015-12-15T15:39:55 < zyp> so you're not really doing anything different from using uart or spi hardware
2015-12-15T15:39:56 < aep> yup, that's the way i want it. since anything after a crash is gone
2015-12-15T15:40:07 < zyp> gone in what sense?
2015-12-15T15:40:18 < aep> basically any ISR is trash
2015-12-15T15:40:24 < aep> it wont be exeucted
2015-12-15T15:40:34 < aep> so timers with buffers or anything like that doesnt work
2015-12-15T15:41:03 < aep> to identify the exact line it crashed i need a printf exactly one line before that, synchronous
2015-12-15T15:42:14 < zyp> shame M0 doesn't have trace, that's how you're supposed to debug those problems
2015-12-15T15:42:41 < aep> well segger has something called RTT
2015-12-15T15:42:45 < zyp> but still, you might as well use SWD tracepoints for that stuff
2015-12-15T15:42:47 < aep> i wonder how they do it
2015-12-15T15:42:58 < zyp> just a ringbuffer that's polled from the debugger
2015-12-15T15:42:59 < aep> nah. SWD is usually fracked after a softdevice crash
2015-12-15T15:43:08 < aep> yeah your stuff looks kinda good
2015-12-15T15:43:18 < aep> problem is i sometimes can't recover swd
2015-12-15T15:43:22 < zyp> you could do the same with rblog by just rewriting the host side to poll periodically
2015-12-15T15:43:36 < aep> 1mbits? :P
2015-12-15T15:43:38 < aep> doubt it
2015-12-15T15:43:49 < zyp> hmm?
2015-12-15T15:44:02 < aep> ah well, yeah, you buffer
2015-12-15T15:44:17 < zyp> well, consider this
2015-12-15T15:44:23 < aep> no idea why but everything is so broken after some softdevice crashes, i dont even trust the heap to be there
2015-12-15T15:44:26 < zyp> what kind of messages are you outputting?
2015-12-15T15:44:54 < zyp> msp vs psp issue perhaps?
2015-12-15T15:45:27 < aep> uuh that sounds related
2015-12-15T15:46:00 < aep> but i've seen heap trashed too
2015-12-15T15:46:05 < aep> i think its just SWD being broken
2015-12-15T15:46:19 < zyp> might be
2015-12-15T15:46:54 < aep> wutevs. this works nicely for me. and i just switch to hardware uart once things are stable anyway
2015-12-15T15:47:19 < aep> thanks for helping me get bmp working :)
2015-12-15T15:47:27 < aep> i'm happy with just having one device for all
2015-12-15T15:48:13 < zyp> let me know when you've fixed nrf52 support :)
2015-12-15T15:48:21 < Laurenceb> http://cryptome.org/2014/02/gchq-cyber-effects.pdf  lol youtube
2015-12-15T15:48:25 < aep> ooh you're already on nrf52?
2015-12-15T15:48:28 < aep> how is it?
2015-12-15T15:48:34 < Laurenceb> they are going to spread deception via youtube comment
2015-12-15T15:48:36 < zyp> I tried bmp on nrf52, shit crashes hard
2015-12-15T15:48:41 < zyp> the bmp I mean
2015-12-15T15:48:45 < aep> yeah not suprised
2015-12-15T15:48:56 < aep> does stlink work with openocd?
2015-12-15T15:49:04 < zyp> I am, it should still just be a plain cm4 core
2015-12-15T15:49:18 < zyp> the core shouldn't need special support, only flash writing does
2015-12-15T15:49:33 < aep> oh. you mean even just basics die
2015-12-15T15:49:35 < aep> i thought flash
2015-12-15T15:49:52 < zyp> no, it deadlocks during swdp_scan
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2015-12-15T15:50:12 < zyp> (IIRC)
2015-12-15T15:50:15 < zyp> might be during attach
2015-12-15T15:50:28 < zyp> I've got scan and attach together in a macro
2015-12-15T15:50:35 < aep> yeh me too
2015-12-15T15:50:44 < aep> btw, can you share your gdbinit?
2015-12-15T15:50:48 < aep> might be something useful there
2015-12-15T15:51:14 < zyp> local or project specific one?
2015-12-15T15:51:20 < aep> oh you use two?
2015-12-15T15:51:26 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/.gdbinit <- here's a project specific one
2015-12-15T15:51:56 < zyp> local I don't have an online copy of, and my desktop computer is still packed down after moving
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2015-12-15T15:51:58 < aep> uuuh you type the remote-extended bla manually?
2015-12-15T15:52:12 < zyp> no, I type "target bmp"
2015-12-15T15:52:16 < aep> ah
2015-12-15T15:52:47 < zyp> I wrote a script to detect them, figure out which ports they are on and prompt me with a list if I've got multiple connected
2015-12-15T15:53:12 < zyp> or if I've only got one, just use that
2015-12-15T15:53:16 < aep> uh nice
2015-12-15T15:53:33 < aep> i just go gdb -e 'bmp' where bmp just uses ACM0
2015-12-15T15:53:40 < aep> * gdb -ex
2015-12-15T15:54:04 < aep> i wish 'file' wouldnt crash :(
2015-12-15T15:54:16 < zyp> I'm on OS X, so all usb serial port devnodes contains part of the device serial
2015-12-15T15:54:21 < aep> so i didnt have to reopen gdb after every make
2015-12-15T15:54:29 < aep> ah
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2015-12-15T15:54:59 < zyp> and I have multiple
2015-12-15T15:55:19 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/n71NA.JPG <- I assembled a bunch of emeb's bmp2 design back when he made it
2015-12-15T15:55:31 < aep> i got used to having a usb hub in front of me because so much stuff is so broken that you need to re-plug it all the time anyway :D
2015-12-15T15:55:40 < dongs> my bandwidth is fail atm, were those the pcbs i made?
2015-12-15T15:55:50 < zyp> dongs, yep
2015-12-15T15:55:53 < dongs> ya okay
2015-12-15T15:55:58 < aep> neat
2015-12-15T15:56:00 < dongs> i still have 2-3 of those in somewaht assembled state somewehre
2015-12-15T15:56:06 < dongs> unless i raged the fuck out
2015-12-15T15:56:09 < dongs> when bmp virused the chip
2015-12-15T15:56:12 < aep> lol
2015-12-15T15:56:15 < dongs> and stomped them into the garbage
2015-12-15T15:56:16 < zyp> yes, you were going to give them to me and couldn't find them
2015-12-15T15:56:20 < aep> it really IS annoying, i give you that
2015-12-15T15:56:23 < dongs> okay they're probly gone then
2015-12-15T15:56:30 < zyp> shame, I want more
2015-12-15T15:56:41 < dongs> i could always run more boards when there's some free space in a panel.
2015-12-15T15:56:57 < zyp> I've given away two, and a guy is borrowing a third, I think
2015-12-15T15:56:59 < dongs> filthy opensauce
2015-12-15T15:57:01 < zyp> so I've only got two left
2015-12-15T15:57:21 < aep> the 'blue pill' boards are really nice tho
2015-12-15T15:57:27 < aep> so chip who cares
2015-12-15T15:57:44 < aep> although yours look more sexy ofcourse
2015-12-15T15:57:55 < aep> next time expose SPI please ;)
2015-12-15T15:58:07 < Laurenceb> http://cryptome.org/2014/01/gchq-squeaky-dolphin.pdf
2015-12-15T15:58:12 < Laurenceb> surely this is a troll
2015-12-15T15:58:15 < dongs> if BMP worked with real IDEs i'd consider using it
2015-12-15T15:58:20 < Laurenceb> p27 wtf
2015-12-15T15:58:27 < jubatus> what's the purpose of the pads in front of the connector on that bmp2 board ?
2015-12-15T15:58:39 < aep> yeah i was wondering too
2015-12-15T15:58:48 < aep> since they're all connected apparanly
2015-12-15T16:00:59 < zyp> old style 20-pin connector
2015-12-15T16:01:11 < aep> aw monday. need to do some real work... *sigh*
2015-12-15T16:01:20 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/vV9Bt.JPG
2015-12-15T16:01:42 < englishman> its tuesday
2015-12-15T16:02:15 < aep> oh god. shit.
2015-12-15T16:02:43 < dongs> ur fukt
2015-12-15T16:02:45 < Laurenceb> http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5 holy shit NSA runs all forums ever
2015-12-15T16:02:46 < dongs> too stoned
2015-12-15T16:03:36 < zyp> aep, anyway, the design is emeb's, not mine
2015-12-15T16:03:43 < Laurenceb> By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity
2015-12-15T16:03:46 < Laurenceb> irl lolling
2015-12-15T16:03:57 < zyp> I just gave some input on it
2015-12-15T16:04:06 < Laurenceb> also I clearly work for NSA, trollception
2015-12-15T16:04:12 < dongs> i think i gave inputs about the USB socket
2015-12-15T16:04:23 < dongs> but emeb's procad couldn't do slot holes
2015-12-15T16:07:51 < Laurenceb> lol even eagle can do that
2015-12-15T16:08:03 < dongs> i think he was using gEDA for that afailproj
2015-12-15T16:08:06 < Laurenceb> or just write it in gerber
2015-12-15T16:08:14 < Laurenceb> I've done that before
2015-12-15T16:08:36 < dongs> i've never given a single fuck what gerber text looks like
2015-12-15T16:08:40 < dongs> cuz i use  tools that work
2015-12-15T16:08:40 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-12-15T16:08:49 < Laurenceb> its just ascii coordinates
2015-12-15T16:08:53 < dongs> im sure
2015-12-15T16:08:54 < Laurenceb> you can copy and paste
2015-12-15T16:09:41 < Laurenceb> I cant work out if this latest wikileaks stuff is a troll or not
2015-12-15T16:09:52 < Laurenceb> either way its the funniest shit yet
2015-12-15T16:09:55 < dongs> wikieleaks== assange/
2015-12-15T16:09:57 < dongs> isnt he dead
2015-12-15T16:10:00 < Laurenceb> nope
2015-12-15T16:10:12 < Laurenceb> nsa is too busy writing youtube comments
2015-12-15T16:10:18 < Laurenceb> everything is explained
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2015-12-15T16:11:56 < Laurenceb> lol one of their modes of operation is trolling workers at organisations on youtube comments to decrease their productivity
2015-12-15T16:12:22 < Laurenceb> I need a job at NSA
2015-12-15T16:13:55 < Laurenceb> Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence purposes
2015-12-15T16:14:03 < Laurenceb> NSA did Ferguson
2015-12-15T16:14:27 < dongs> you're doing a great job trolling this channel and decreasing productivity
2015-12-15T16:14:34 < dongs> both yours AND mine
2015-12-15T16:14:37 < dongs> im trying to route a board
2015-12-15T16:15:40 < Laurenceb> yeah I work for NSA
2015-12-15T16:15:43 < Laurenceb> trollception
2015-12-15T16:16:22 < dongs> fucking remove loops
2015-12-15T16:16:55 < ReadError> is timecop plays altium designer on??
2015-12-15T16:17:03 < dongs> nah
2015-12-15T16:17:09 < dongs> too lazy to setup
2015-12-15T16:17:13 < ReadError> damn, needed some music
2015-12-15T16:24:07 < GargantuaSauce_> maybe the release itself is a troll, to make people think they disagree with on the internet are nsa shills and troll them to decrease their productivity
2015-12-15T16:27:17 < Laurenceb> its trolls all the way down
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2015-12-15T16:36:31 < dongs> hurr
2015-12-15T16:36:41 < dongs> fuck this routing, too stoned
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2015-12-15T17:20:29 < c10ud^> does any american here know what's inside "RadioShack® HDMI to Composite Converter"?
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2015-12-15T17:22:49 < emeb> probably a bunch of resistors in an R2R ladder.
2015-12-15T17:24:49 < c10ud^> so, just a supersimple dac?
2015-12-15T17:25:19 < dongs> comeon
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2015-12-15T17:25:27 < dongs> no, thre's a singlechip hdmi>cvbs thing
2015-12-15T17:25:37 < dongs> from analog or c hina or whoever
2015-12-15T17:25:50 < c10ud^> idk it's the only one that gets power from hdmi itself
2015-12-15T17:25:59 < dongs> thats fine
2015-12-15T17:26:00 < c10ud^> every other converter wants external power it seems
2015-12-15T17:26:01 < dongs> there's 500mA of it.
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2015-12-15T17:32:31 < mitrax> is there a command line switch to connect an instance of openocd to a particular flash programmer? i have two ST-LINK plugged, so far i can select which one to connect to by unplugging temporarily the other before launching openocd
2015-12-15T17:32:35 < mitrax> would be more convenient if i could choose which one i want from either the command line or an option in the config file
2015-12-15T17:33:29 < mitrax> and no "get a pro programmer, not opensore shit" doesn't qualify as an answer :p
2015-12-15T17:33:54 < mitrax> err programmer/debugger
2015-12-15T17:40:28 < Getty> get a pro programmer, not opensore shit, yo
2015-12-15T17:40:29  * Getty runs
2015-12-15T17:40:47 < mitrax> ahaha
2015-12-15T17:41:33 < Getty> or are we at jeopardy.... What is a pro programmer, not opensore shit?
2015-12-15T17:42:45 < mitrax> ask dongs
2015-12-15T17:42:58 < Getty> no no i answered the question, you know, jeopardy style....
2015-12-15T17:43:07 < Getty> noob!
2015-12-15T17:45:06 < mitrax> :'(
2015-12-15T17:45:53 < Getty> btw i dont know the serious answer ;) i also thought about what i would happen
2015-12-15T17:46:10 < Getty> aehm what would happen if those 2 are connected and i need specific ones
2015-12-15T17:59:05 < emeb> dongs: still awake?
2015-12-15T18:00:45 < dongs> ya
2015-12-15T18:01:20 < emeb> dongs: where did you get those RGB illuminated encoders you used?
2015-12-15T18:01:53 < emeb> buddy of mine is going to production with some and needs a source that's better than sparkfun.
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2015-12-15T18:06:24 < GargantuaSauce_> adafruit? :V
2015-12-15T18:06:44 < emeb> hrhr
2015-12-15T18:07:34 < dongs> oh
2015-12-15T18:07:48 < dongs> emeb: i fuckin wish. its definitely china but chinagirl hasnt been able to find it
2015-12-15T18:07:57 < dongs> local jap shop sells them, but I doubt they're gonna tell me where they're getting them from
2015-12-15T18:08:34 < emeb> dongs: the SF part has a datasheet from "top-up" in .tw
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2015-12-15T18:11:37 < emeb> http://www.top-up.com.tw/front/bin/ptdetail.phtml?Part=EC12PLRGBSDVBF-D
2015-12-15T18:11:49 < dongs> ohh nice.
2015-12-15T18:11:54 < dongs> lemme axe my taiwan office pals then
2015-12-15T18:12:51 < dongs> they make some pro shit
2015-12-15T18:13:03 < dongs> http://www.top-up.com.tw/front/bin/ptlist.phtml?Category=452735
2015-12-15T18:14:25 < gxti> too bad the rings aren't RGB too, that would be nutty
2015-12-15T18:14:41 < emeb> yes
2015-12-15T18:15:04 < emeb> would actually be perfect for my pal's appl.
2015-12-15T18:15:10 < dongs> if rgb?
2015-12-15T18:15:13 < emeb> yes
2015-12-15T18:15:20 < dongs> i guess maybe this is the shit inside that behringer thing
2015-12-15T18:15:55 < dongs> https://media.music-group.com/media/PLM/data/images/overview/BCR2000_P0245_Overview-I_O.jpg
2015-12-15T18:15:58 < dongs> hm no
2015-12-15T18:16:00 < dongs> different style
2015-12-15T18:16:13 < dongs> those behringer knobs are all endless encoders
2015-12-15T18:16:19 < dongs> with led circles around them
2015-12-15T18:16:35 < dongs> they have a version  with just knobs, its like 2348723947 leds
2015-12-15T18:17:19 < dongs> poked taiwan office, will let you know if mere mortals can purchase
2015-12-15T18:17:27 < emeb> thx!
2015-12-15T18:17:30 < dongs> how many is he loking to get? like <= 100?
2015-12-15T18:17:50 < emeb> He needs 3x per unit & hopes to make 100 or so. so ~300
2015-12-15T18:17:56 < dongs> excellent
2015-12-15T18:18:10 < dongs> will let yo uknow
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2015-12-15T18:40:23 < upgrdman_> wtf. vmware player is no longer free. those cunts.
2015-12-15T18:42:09 < ReadError>  ya it is
2015-12-15T18:42:24 < upgrdman_> why does it say trial then
2015-12-15T18:42:38 < ReadError> pro is trial
2015-12-15T18:42:44 < ReadError> you just dont put in a key
2015-12-15T18:42:48 < ReadError> and its the free version
2015-12-15T18:43:19 < upgrdman_> hmm
2015-12-15T18:44:50 < ReadError> i just installed it on a box like 3 days ago
2015-12-15T18:44:55 < ReadError> can confirm
2015-12-15T18:45:28 < upgrdman_> k
2015-12-15T18:45:58 < upgrdman_> fuck. this piece of shit pc i need to run player on is 32bit windows. fucking gay. now i gotta find an old version of player that supports 32bit hosts.
2015-12-15T18:48:37 < ReadError> ew
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2015-12-15T18:58:17 < upgrdman_> all i really need is dos on windows 8
2015-12-15T18:58:19 < upgrdman_> real dos
2015-12-15T18:58:33 < upgrdman_> dosbox isn't working quite right
2015-12-15T18:59:07 < kakimir> qemu
2015-12-15T18:59:12 < Getty> 4dos ;)
2015-12-15T18:59:14 < kakimir> hey
2015-12-15T18:59:14  * Getty runs
2015-12-15T18:59:17 < kakimir> linux?
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2015-12-15T19:25:53 < upgrdman_> with spi, why does clock polarity matter? are things sampled/changes on the clock edges anyway? why would idle state of the clock line matter.
2015-12-15T19:26:03 < upgrdman_> *aren't
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2015-12-15T20:03:10 < jadew> has anyone here ever asked for a 100% raise?
2015-12-15T20:04:01 < jadew> kinda curious on how do you walk into that discussion
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2015-12-15T20:06:25 < GargantuaSauce_> "you can use the other hole too"
2015-12-15T20:06:28 < bloated> I know people who've asked for and got 100% raises, but that was in a booming (bubble?) economy
2015-12-15T20:06:37 < jadew> GargantuaSauce_, haha
2015-12-15T20:06:50 < jadew> bloated, my company is doing fine
2015-12-15T20:07:00 < jadew> largely because of me
2015-12-15T20:08:20 < jadew> but somehow I didn't get a raise in... years
2015-12-15T20:08:32 < jadew> got a promotion, but no raise
2015-12-15T20:08:54 < jadew> not really sure how to deal with the situation, currently I'm severely underpaid
2015-12-15T20:09:15 < jadew> I'm making less than 50% of what I should
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2015-12-15T20:09:29 < bloated> the safest way is to look for another job. then take the offer you get there to your HR and ask if they can match it.
2015-12-15T20:10:05 < bloated> its a lot more reasonable than just walking up to HR and saying "I want a 100% raise"
2015-12-15T20:10:44 < jadew> yeah, I guess
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2015-12-15T20:12:29 < jadew> I turned down a job offer that paid better 8 years ago than what I'm making now
2015-12-15T20:13:18 < jadew> that kinda puts my expectations into perspective
2015-12-15T20:13:23 < bloated> why didn't you take that job ?
2015-12-15T20:13:26 < jadew> and how reality turned out
2015-12-15T20:13:37 < jadew> bloated, I thought I would end up earning more here
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2015-12-15T20:15:41 < gxti> changing jobs is definitely the most reliable way to get a big raise but you never know what you're gonna get
2015-12-15T20:15:56 < jadew> gxti, yeah, it's scary
2015-12-15T20:16:13 < jadew> I can get pretty much any job I want tho
2015-12-15T20:16:49 < jadew> so I can switch again if it sucks, but I'd rather stay here if possible, since it's familiar
2015-12-15T20:16:50 < gxti> there are exceptions though. the company i work for just gave everyone (in development anyway) a big raise last year in lieu of promotions
2015-12-15T20:16:56 < gxti> but this is a bit of an odd company
2015-12-15T20:17:19 < jadew> nice
2015-12-15T20:18:06 < jadew> I have to tell you, no matter how excited I get about a project, it's hard to continue pulling through it when you remember you're making peanuts
2015-12-15T20:18:51 < jadew> ok, this week I'm asking for a raise
2015-12-15T20:19:08 < jadew> I just remembered of another guy's sallary that reached me by mistake
2015-12-15T20:20:34 < jadew> so frustrating...
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2015-12-15T20:22:15 < bloated> you don't _have_ to switch. just get an offer letter and show it to your current employer.
2015-12-15T20:22:29 < bloated> if they want you, they'll match whatever salary the other company is offering you.
2015-12-15T20:22:42 < jadew> if they only match that, I'm leaving
2015-12-15T20:24:01 < jadew> I don't want it matched, I want more than what I can make at another company where I'd be doing new stuff that I'd find exciting
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2015-12-15T21:40:09 < Laurenceb> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
2015-12-15T21:40:11 < Laurenceb> lolling
2015-12-15T21:41:44 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/cow/src/1449923497323-0.jpg
2015-12-15T21:41:48 < Laurenceb> 4chan spotted
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2015-12-15T22:07:04 < ReadError> looks like Laurenceb irl in 5 years
2015-12-15T22:07:20 < Laurenceb> trolls trollin trolls
2015-12-15T22:07:53 < ReadError> *Laurenceb is now know as Laurenb
2015-12-15T22:09:31 < Laurenceb> there are no brakes on the trollercoaster
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2015-12-15T23:05:54 < Getty> ......................... http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34797017 ....................
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2015-12-15T23:33:22 < upgrdman_> any ltspice pros awake?
2015-12-15T23:41:19 < upgrdman_> is it possible to GRAPH the integral of a waveform? i know you can calc it as a number, but i want to see it over time
2015-12-15T23:52:27 < kakimir> hmm I wonder if temperature has affected my cc3d mems
2015-12-15T23:52:43 < kakimir> last time my model view stayed still
2015-12-15T23:53:18 < kakimir> now it rotates slowly
2015-12-15T23:53:44 < upgrdman_> where is your model? a sim?
2015-12-15T23:58:58 < Lux> upgrdman_: looks like you can unlock vmware workstation with a key you get via googling it
2015-12-15T23:59:23 < Lux> copy pasted it for the lulz and surprisingly it worked
2015-12-15T23:59:37 < upgrdman_> Lux, no need. turns out the player works fine in non-pro mode without a key
2015-12-15T23:59:54 < upgrdman_> and it didnt work for my needs anyway, so im looking into other possibilities
--- Day changed Wed Dec 16 2015
2015-12-16T00:01:03 < Lux> virtualbox works, but the usb support can be a bit buggy
2015-12-16T00:01:31 < upgrdman_> ya i tried virtualbox and had problems
2015-12-16T00:01:59 < upgrdman_> i need serial port (real, not usb) access, and for some reason the dos program couldnt see COM1 or COM2, despite them be config'd in the virtualbox vm settings
2015-12-16T00:02:03 < kakimir> upgrdman_: openpilot window
2015-12-16T00:02:09 < upgrdman_> kakimir, pic?
2015-12-16T00:05:37 < kakimir> sorry mate I'm working on this mess
2015-12-16T00:06:44 < kakimir> http://showroom.qt.io/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/openpilot-gcs-3-880x580.png
2015-12-16T00:06:52 < kakimir> there googled something
2015-12-16T00:07:40 < kakimir> I wonder how they change the model from hipsterquad to real rc
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2015-12-16T00:15:03 < kakimir> openpilot btw. is now librepilot
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2015-12-16T00:15:30 < kakimir> they had opensores fight or so
2015-12-16T00:15:42 < kakimir> and owner of name left another way
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2015-12-16T00:27:54 < gxti> very original name
2015-12-16T00:27:58 < KreAture_> hey ppls
2015-12-16T00:28:47 < KreAture_> Was kinda at a panic today when I found the stm32l051 chip I was going to use in a new project at work wasn't listed in the svd library
2015-12-16T00:28:58 < KreAture_> Luckally it was available on the arm pages
2015-12-16T00:28:59 < KreAture_> :)
2015-12-16T00:29:01 < KreAture_> phew
2015-12-16T00:29:07 < upgrdman_> svd?
2015-12-16T00:29:38 < KreAture_> The file that allows most debuggers to give you register views and such from the mcu
2015-12-16T00:29:51 < KreAture_> It's a xml map of the device registers etc
2015-12-16T00:29:57 < KreAture_> very very usefull
2015-12-16T00:30:00 < upgrdman_> oh ok
2015-12-16T00:30:09 < upgrdman_> i wonder if that's what EmbSysRegView uses
2015-12-16T00:30:26 < KreAture_> You can run the code and break, then look at the hw register and verify that it configured the peripheral like you expected etc
2015-12-16T00:30:32 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-12-16T00:30:37 < KreAture_> I think most do
2015-12-16T00:30:41 < upgrdman_> i've done that with an eclipse plugin
2015-12-16T00:30:46 < KreAture_> yep
2015-12-16T00:31:03 < KreAture_> I was just under full panic when it wasn't listed in the svd repo plugin for em::bitz
2015-12-16T00:31:11 < KreAture_> (my preferred suite)
2015-12-16T00:31:26 < KreAture_> I should probably have checked before designing the boards with it LOL
2015-12-16T00:31:29 < upgrdman_> "shit shit shit GUYS" mode
2015-12-16T00:31:43 < KreAture_> yup
2015-12-16T00:31:47 < KreAture_> only no guys involved
2015-12-16T00:31:56 < KreAture_> only some frantic googling
2015-12-16T00:31:58 < upgrdman_> just creatures?
2015-12-16T00:32:09 < KreAture_> and a hasty login to the arm pages
2015-12-16T00:32:22 < KreAture_> It's behind the login wall so no access before regging
2015-12-16T00:32:24 < KreAture_> (the bastards)
2015-12-16T00:32:38 < KreAture_> but in case anyone needs it, yes it exists and it's there
2015-12-16T00:32:58 < KreAture_> the l051 is the m0+ valueline stuff btw
2015-12-16T00:33:06 < KreAture_> cheap
2015-12-16T00:33:25 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-12-16T00:33:31 < upgrdman_> i use lots of the f051 and f030
2015-12-16T00:33:40 < upgrdman_> but not l
2015-12-16T00:33:52 < KreAture_> and thanks to a new supplier at farnell I found a beautifully 1.2x0.8mm 32khz xtal for it :)
2015-12-16T00:34:20 < KreAture_> Uses redicolously low drive levels though
2015-12-16T00:34:25 < KreAture_> 0.1-0.5uW
2015-12-16T00:34:50 < KreAture_> will inform when I get to run it some and verify drive levels, but it seems it needs a series resistor
2015-12-16T00:35:11 < KreAture_> ruins some of the size though, but a 0402 or 0201 is doable
2015-12-16T00:35:20 < upgrdman_> yesterday i realized my MEMS gyro would work with VDD. the esd diodes are enough to power it from the MOSI line. lol.
2015-12-16T00:35:45 < upgrdman_> err WITHOUT vdd
2015-12-16T00:35:51  * KreAture_ packed power electronics and stuff with 106 components and 9 screw terminal groups onto a 32mm dia board
2015-12-16T00:36:05 < upgrdman_> pic?
2015-12-16T00:36:09 < KreAture_> can't yet
2015-12-16T00:36:13 < KreAture_> project is in fab
2015-12-16T00:36:14 < upgrdman_> k
2015-12-16T00:36:20 < KreAture_> once released probably
2015-12-16T00:36:32 < KreAture_> even generated a very nice 3d model of it hehe
2015-12-16T00:36:42 < KreAture_> needless to say it's components on both sides
2015-12-16T00:36:50 < upgrdman_> you sound like a proud father
2015-12-16T00:36:53 < upgrdman_> :)
2015-12-16T00:36:58 < KreAture_> even between the pins of the 2.54mm pitch connectors
2015-12-16T00:37:00 < KreAture_> yeh
2015-12-16T00:37:14 < KreAture_> I had 2 weeks to do it so it's been a bit of a rushjob though
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2015-12-16T00:37:38 < KreAture_> why is it always that customers come to you when they have a deadline and have waited too long?
2015-12-16T00:37:49 < KreAture_> why is it so hard to take a decision early in a project ?
2015-12-16T00:38:09 < KreAture_> ok, we have the funding, this is the timeline, now lets go out and get someone to help us immediately
2015-12-16T00:38:32 < KreAture_> instead of: ok we spent a year getting here, now we hav 2 months to get it done and we need someone stat.
2015-12-16T00:38:40 < KreAture_> sigh
2015-12-16T00:39:02 < KreAture_> fast, good or cheap? pick one.
2015-12-16T00:39:02 < upgrdman_> do you work for a big soulless corp?
2015-12-16T00:39:13 < upgrdman_> *pick two
2015-12-16T00:39:15 < KreAture_> it's not soulless and it's 600ppl
2015-12-16T00:39:31 < KreAture_> but yes
2015-12-16T00:39:32 < KreAture_> lol
2015-12-16T00:39:59 < KreAture_> http://prevas.no/
2015-12-16T00:40:24 < upgrdman_> nice stock photos
2015-12-16T00:40:38 < KreAture_> sigh, I know
2015-12-16T00:40:39 < upgrdman_> what country is .no?
2015-12-16T00:40:42 < KreAture_> Norway
2015-12-16T00:40:42 < upgrdman_> norway?
2015-12-16T00:40:45 < KreAture_> yup
2015-12-16T00:40:45 < upgrdman_> k
2015-12-16T00:46:21 < zyp> no way
2015-12-16T00:49:10 < KreAture_> close
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2015-12-16T00:54:10 < Ntemis> hello
2015-12-16T00:54:22 < Ntemis> need some help with an stm32 usb device
2015-12-16T00:54:38 < Ntemis> it was gven to me free
2015-12-16T00:54:49 < Ntemis> but i odnt know what usage is for my needs
2015-12-16T00:54:54 < Ntemis> *dont
2015-12-16T00:55:28 < Ntemis> dfu utility recognizes these
2015-12-16T00:55:31 < Ntemis> Found Runtime: [0483:df11] devnum=0, cfg=1, intf=0, alt=0, name="@Internal Flash  /0x08000000/16*001Ka,048*001Kg"
2015-12-16T00:55:31 < Ntemis> Found Runtime: [0483:df11] devnum=0, cfg=1, intf=0, alt=1, name="@SPI Flash : W25X40/0x00000000/064*64Kg"
2015-12-16T00:55:31 < Ntemis> Found Runtime: [0483:df11] devnum=0, cfg=1, intf=0, alt=2, name="@NOR Flash : M29W128F/0x64000000/0256*64Kg"
2015-12-16T00:55:49 < Ntemis> any info on how to make this usb useful?
2015-12-16T00:57:07 < Ntemis> i would like to be able to flash spi chips xbox360 nand flash etc if possible
2015-12-16T00:57:16 < Ntemis> do able?
2015-12-16T00:57:48 < Ntemis> in the back i see a lot of connections
2015-12-16T00:57:50 < Ntemis> like
2015-12-16T00:58:45 < Ntemis> TRST0 TDIO 3.3V TMS0 TDO0 TCK0 LEFT
2015-12-16T00:59:44 < Ntemis> 3.3V TRST1 TDI1 TMS1 TCK1 PT13 TDO1 NRST PIN19 GND ON THE RIGHT
2015-12-16T01:00:35 < Ntemis> left side has ground too
2015-12-16T01:00:52 < Ntemis> any help?
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2015-12-16T01:01:41 < upgrdman_> photo of device?
2015-12-16T01:01:48 < Ntemis> sure
2015-12-16T01:01:50 < Ntemis> sec
2015-12-16T01:04:24 < zyp> dongs, did you see this yet? http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/11/kickstarter-hires-journalist-to-probe-collapse-of-zano-drone-project/
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2015-12-16T01:04:49 < upgrdman_> yes he saw it
2015-12-16T01:06:29 < zyp> ah, it's a few days old yeah
2015-12-16T01:06:41 < zyp> just got it linked from elsewhere
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2015-12-16T01:10:27 < Ntemis> upgrdman_: http://pasteboard.co/3TegHmt.jpg
2015-12-16T01:10:31 < Ntemis> front
2015-12-16T01:11:48 < zyp> huh, actel
2015-12-16T01:12:12 < Ntemis> back
2015-12-16T01:12:14 < Ntemis> http://pasteboard.co/3Tmt531.jpg
2015-12-16T01:13:22 < zyp> stm32 and small fpga, no other io
2015-12-16T01:13:26 < zyp> that's kinda weird
2015-12-16T01:13:39 < Ntemis> http://pasteboard.co/3Ts648I.jpg
2015-12-16T01:14:12 < zyp> try lsusb -vd 0483:df11
2015-12-16T01:14:34 < Ntemis> not while is in dfu mode?
2015-12-16T01:15:25 < zyp> in normal mode
2015-12-16T01:16:01 < Ntemis> got it
2015-12-16T01:16:29 < Ntemis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14040184/
2015-12-16T01:16:49 < zyp> that's not normal mode
2015-12-16T01:18:30 < Ntemis> normal mode displays nothing
2015-12-16T01:18:39 < Ntemis> not a sigle info
2015-12-16T01:18:44 < Ntemis> single
2015-12-16T01:18:51 < zyp> ah, because the id is different
2015-12-16T01:18:52 < zyp> my bad
2015-12-16T01:18:57 < Ntemis> needs programming or something
2015-12-16T01:19:10 < zyp> I'm just curious what it's supposed to do
2015-12-16T01:19:19 < karlp> exactly what I was thinking
2015-12-16T01:19:32 < upgrdman_> doomsday device
2015-12-16T01:19:59 < karlp> if you just want to talk to spi flash, no idea what the fpga is for
2015-12-16T01:20:04 < Ntemis> better paste
2015-12-16T01:20:06 < Ntemis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14040230/
2015-12-16T01:20:21 < Ntemis> so can i use it in anything?
2015-12-16T01:20:33 < zyp> could be an attempt at a bitcoin stick or something, but I'm not sure that fpga is powerful enough for that to make sense
2015-12-16T01:20:46 < upgrdman_> lol
2015-12-16T01:21:07 < Ntemis> can the black probe work on this?
2015-12-16T01:21:08 < Getty> zyp: this is crazy... that kickstarter hired a "journalist".. wtf w t f.....
2015-12-16T01:21:22 < zyp> or maybe crypto token, but there doesn't seem to be any security in it
2015-12-16T01:21:44 < Getty> i mean like, if you thought zano is ending to give entertainment, you thought wrong!
2015-12-16T01:22:07 < zyp> Ntemis, flashing it is easy, but since there's no other IO, you can't really do much with it
2015-12-16T01:22:36 < Ntemis> what IO am looking for?
2015-12-16T01:22:49 < Ntemis> it has an ST f103
2015-12-16T01:31:25 < zyp> there is no connection points to anything except usb
2015-12-16T01:31:34 < zyp> (not counting the jtag points)
2015-12-16T01:31:34 < Laurenceb> http://somuchguardian.tumblr.com/
2015-12-16T01:32:17 < Ntemis> so useless
2015-12-16T01:32:22 < Ntemis> right
2015-12-16T01:32:27 < Ntemis> trashbin
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2015-12-16T01:37:32 < karlp> Ntemis: what was it meant to do? where did you get it?
2015-12-16T01:38:13 < Ntemis> a friend of mine gave it to me was something to hack a ps3 that is no usefull anymore
2015-12-16T01:38:30 < Ntemis> have no idea what that was though
2015-12-16T01:39:01 < Ntemis> maybe it injects some code on the fly while ps3 boots or something?
2015-12-16T01:39:54 < zyp> that doesn't explain the fpga :)
2015-12-16T01:40:19 < Ntemis> dont know what an fpga is
2015-12-16T01:40:36 < Ntemis> but if you guys say is not usefull i will through it away
2015-12-16T01:40:50 < Ntemis> i was hoping to use it as a flasher or something
2015-12-16T01:40:51 < Getty> watching indiana jones last crusade in HD shows so powerful what good (non digital) filming technology means..... this picture is so brilliant
2015-12-16T01:41:44 < Ntemis> i would like to tranform it to low cost spi flasher
2015-12-16T01:42:20 < Ntemis> inline prefered :)
2015-12-16T01:43:01 < Ntemis> isp sorry
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2015-12-16T02:53:16 < Laurenceb> I think I found a photo of dongs http://i.imgur.com/OX2CqtE.jpg
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2015-12-16T03:00:36 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-12-16T03:00:44 < dongs> zyp: yeah when it actually happened on 12/11
2015-12-16T03:00:49 < dongs> zyp: already emailed that guy and stuff
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2015-12-16T03:18:44 < dongs> proing
2015-12-16T03:29:42 < kakimir> planning new 9/11
2015-12-16T03:30:20 < dongs> yes
2015-12-16T03:32:02 < kakimir> Laurenceb: where is that photo taken?
2015-12-16T03:32:31 < Laurenceb> lul
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2015-12-16T03:32:50 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wLHCuzW3-uA
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2015-12-16T03:36:38 < Laurenceb> creepiest video ever
2015-12-16T03:36:47 < dongs> do you even do any STM32 anymore, bro
2015-12-16T03:38:40 < Laurenceb> no
2015-12-16T03:38:46 < Laurenceb> full tiem troll
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2015-12-16T03:55:36 < kakimir> Laurenceb: I just heard the same story somewher
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2015-12-16T04:08:16 < kakimir> microC ?
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2015-12-16T04:19:27 < dongs> R2COM: your best bet would be using crossworks
2015-12-16T04:19:34 < dongs> they at least openly use gcc
2015-12-16T04:19:49 < dongs> i doubt youre gonna get much gccisms / etc support in other IDEs, you might as well not even bother
2015-12-16T04:19:56 < dongs> R2COM: zyp's C++11 code *crashes* armcc
2015-12-16T04:20:02 < dongs> like hard crash, without ev ne any diagnostics
2015-12-16T04:20:03 < dongs> lolz
2015-12-16T04:20:56 < Simon--> I think so..
2015-12-16T04:21:06 < dongs> R2COM: no they dont, why would they
2015-12-16T04:21:16 < dongs> they have some rowley rtos thingy but nothing beyond that
2015-12-16T04:21:20 < Simon--> oh, periph lib..
2015-12-16T04:21:23 < dongs> is mikroe their own compiler? or rebranded gcc
2015-12-16T04:33:59 < dongs> crossworks is fine dude
2015-12-16T04:34:06 < dongs> has proper debuger view etc.
2015-12-16T04:34:10 < dongs> you dont need vendor specific hal
2015-12-16T04:35:07 < kakimir> is there some actual problems using the best compiler?
2015-12-16T04:35:18 < dongs> yeah it generates shit code
2015-12-16T04:35:21 < dongs> has broken LTO
2015-12-16T04:35:26 < dongs> smells llike lunix
2015-12-16T04:35:27 < dongs> etc
2015-12-16T04:37:19 < dongs> stdperiph/cube/etc
2015-12-16T04:37:27 < dongs> the same as you would anywhere else
2015-12-16T04:37:34 < dongs> yes but shrugt
2015-12-16T04:38:29 < kakimir> it smells like field of flowers
2015-12-16T04:38:39 < kakimir> it is very beautyful
2015-12-16T04:40:13 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc-gEds3eTM
2015-12-16T04:40:24 < kakimir> musicspams
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2015-12-16T04:49:12 < dongs> more like musicspasms
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2015-12-16T04:56:23 < dongs> R2COM: common sense
2015-12-16T04:59:20 < dongs> vm + rollback
2015-12-16T04:59:28 < dongs> plus, i dont hang out wiht dumb people
2015-12-16T04:59:35 < dongs> nobody would be mailing me a virus
2015-12-16T05:14:40 < kakimir> dongs you are my hero
2015-12-16T05:17:53 < kakimir> best antivirus is not to be stupid
2015-12-16T05:19:06 < kakimir> because even antivirus cant fully cover that
2015-12-16T05:21:25 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-16T05:22:16 < kakimir> but did you know
2015-12-16T05:22:39 < kakimir> there is malware that can escabe virtualization space?
2015-12-16T05:23:45 < kakimir> but that is really unlikelly
2015-12-16T05:26:14 < dongs> http://pastebin.com/tzmFDgsr
2015-12-16T05:26:15 < dongs> huh
2015-12-16T05:28:12 < dongs> that is kidna super neat
2015-12-16T05:28:43 < kakimir> if someone plans to carry out an unlimited attack on your system - you are fucked anyhow
2015-12-16T05:31:09 < kakimir> it's about keeping the balance
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2015-12-16T05:49:38 < Bright> bring down the government
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2015-12-16T05:54:39 < upgrdman> typical japan http://i.imgur.com/UnADF4I.gifv
2015-12-16T05:55:00 < dongs> can confirm
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2015-12-16T06:00:21 < emeb_mac> dongs: any word from the taiwanians?
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2015-12-16T06:00:39 < dongs> its in process by 2 dudes
2015-12-16T06:00:43 < dongs> will let you know
2015-12-16T06:00:48 < dongs> one of them wil ldeliver
2015-12-16T06:00:58 < dongs> or maybe both and then i can pricematch
2015-12-16T06:02:27 < upgrdman> wtf http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2010/04/07/six-year-oldrsquos-death-ruled-a-suicide.html
2015-12-16T06:03:05 < dongs> lol
2015-12-16T06:04:50 < dongs> emeb_mac: what was that GPS thing you (?) or someone was dicking with recently
2015-12-16T06:04:57 < dongs> that outputs bitstream
2015-12-16T06:05:08 < emeb_mac> Wasn't that jpa?
2015-12-16T06:05:12 < dongs> or something
2015-12-16T06:05:14 < dongs> i forgot the part#
2015-12-16T06:05:29 < dongs> was on dec2
2015-12-16T06:05:48 < dongs> found in logs
2015-12-16T06:05:50 < dongs> SE4110
2015-12-16T06:07:49 < emeb_mac> yep
2015-12-16T06:08:14 < emeb_mac> pipe that into an FPGA or SW decoder
2015-12-16T06:08:17 < Getty> upgrdman: internet.....
2015-12-16T06:08:19 < emeb_mac> run the correlators
2015-12-16T06:11:28 < upgrdman> nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxa2myQsx_Q&feature=youtu.be
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2015-12-16T06:12:26 < dongs> lewl
2015-12-16T06:12:27 < Getty> why does the video end?
2015-12-16T06:12:38 < Getty> seriously, i wanna know how long they hammered him ;)
2015-12-16T06:32:02 < aandrew> what're you trying to do with a gps module?
2015-12-16T06:32:12 < dongs> nothing, i mretweeting for another channel.
2015-12-16T06:32:22 < dongs> some dude was talking about hacking ublox to extract I/Q i told him its a waste of time
2015-12-16T06:32:32 < dongs> since one can just throw that thing on a board and get raw bitstream already.
2015-12-16T06:33:36 < aandrew> AH
2015-12-16T06:33:38 < aandrew> er ah
2015-12-16T06:33:47 < dongs> but its just stoner talk
2015-12-16T06:33:50 < dongs> i doubt anything will happen
2015-12-16T06:33:54 < dongs> people on irc tend to never have results
2015-12-16T06:33:58 < aandrew> you seem to hang with a lot of stoners
2015-12-16T06:33:59 < dongs> just assburering nonstop
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2015-12-16T06:58:51 < dongs> they're all same shit
2015-12-16T06:58:59 < dongs> if oyu know what youre doing it doesnt amtter.. it works
2015-12-16T07:07:08 < dongs> yes
2015-12-16T07:07:12 < dongs> st.com will tell you cube is the bestest
2015-12-16T07:08:48 < dongs> they're still updating stdperiph
2015-12-16T07:08:52 < dongs> depending on devices.
2015-12-16T07:09:04 < dongs> i.e. F4 stdperiph has updates for DSI, etc modules on F427 and such
2015-12-16T07:09:13 < dongs> thats new, and wasnt there when it was first published.
2015-12-16T07:14:57 < dongs> all of F0
2015-12-16T07:15:07 < dongs> and maybe L0?
2015-12-16T07:15:08 < dongs> no limit
2015-12-16T07:15:10 < dongs> full support.
2015-12-16T07:15:21 < dongs> optimization
2015-12-16T07:15:29 < dongs> no catch just F0 only.
2015-12-16T07:15:35 < dongs> er cortex M0 i guess
2015-12-16T07:15:55 < dongs> someone installed and he said on old version it might just support all chips
2015-12-16T07:16:01 < dongs> and new license only limits to M0 on latest version :p
2015-12-16T07:16:06 < dongs> i didnt have time/interest to verify that.
2015-12-16T07:17:25 < dongs> works here
2015-12-16T07:17:41 < dongs> keil has middleware but I would never use it
2015-12-16T07:17:56 < dongs> all my projects i just keep using legacy cortex support
2015-12-16T07:18:04 < dongs> completely ignoring the new packs faggotware
2015-12-16T07:19:13 < dongs> what libs?
2015-12-16T07:19:18 < dongs> i use stdperiph only.
2015-12-16T07:19:33 < dongs> oh
2015-12-16T07:19:36 < dongs> like your mikroe shit
2015-12-16T07:19:42 < dongs> hal + drivers + etc
2015-12-16T07:19:45 < dongs> ready-to-go things
2015-12-16T07:26:19 < dongs> not beyond reading about htem on google months ago
2015-12-16T07:31:12 < dongs> i do that when I have eto
2015-12-16T07:31:20 < dongs> when i have to
2015-12-16T07:31:27 < dongs> duno, i wrote my own gpio thing
2015-12-16T07:31:30 < dongs> cuz the one in ST was just aids
2015-12-16T07:31:49 < dongs> or if I need something to be timing-critical or wahtever ill just poke registers based on stdlib sdtuff
2015-12-16T07:31:52 < dongs> stuff
2015-12-16T07:33:49 < dongs> yews
2015-12-16T07:41:04 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/dyFpxlt.jpg
2015-12-16T07:44:31 < upgrdman> lol
2015-12-16T07:44:41 < upgrdman> that some job applicant weeder?
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2015-12-16T08:21:42 < upgrdman> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuPjlYxUWc8
2015-12-16T08:32:44 < dongs> 2007..
2015-12-16T08:35:45 < upgrdman> also the ebaumsworld watermark :)
2015-12-16T08:36:10 < dongs> ya, awful
2015-12-16T08:36:12 < dongs> 0/10
2015-12-16T08:36:13 < dongs> try again
2015-12-16T08:36:40 < emeb_mac> dongs: buddy heard back direct from top-up
2015-12-16T08:36:48 < dongs> what they say?
2015-12-16T08:36:52 < emeb_mac> they say they have no disti - sell only direct
2015-12-16T08:36:56 < dongs> nice
2015-12-16T08:37:09 < dongs> and price is 1/10 of sparkJEW?
2015-12-16T08:37:30 < emeb_mac> no idea. he gave them numbers hasn't gotten reply.
2015-12-16T08:40:08 < dongs> man
2015-12-16T08:40:14 < dongs> i got a bag sealer thingy
2015-12-16T08:40:16 < dongs> with a cutter
2015-12-16T08:40:17 < dongs> its so amazing
2015-12-16T08:40:21 < dongs> i just cant stop sealing things
2015-12-16T08:40:45 < emeb_mac> seal your lunch!
2015-12-16T08:40:54 < emeb_mac> make your own condoms!
2015-12-16T08:41:00 < dongs> im sealing like antistatic bags
2015-12-16T08:41:10 < upgrdman> i used to reseal bags of chips at my old work with those machines
2015-12-16T08:41:16 < dongs> haha
2015-12-16T08:41:26 < jpa-> ah, so that's why stuff is so often in those annoying sealed bags instead of nice minigrip
2015-12-16T08:41:38 < jpa-> just because the sealers are fun to use
2015-12-16T08:41:47 < upgrdman> so i could bring a Family Size bag of chips to work, much on some, then reseal so they stay fresh for a long ass time
2015-12-16T08:42:02 < emeb_mac> esp if you put silica gel in with them
2015-12-16T08:42:11 < upgrdman> lol. never tried that.
2015-12-16T08:42:27 < emeb_mac> do not eat!
2015-12-16T08:42:37 < upgrdman> "for rectal use only"
2015-12-16T08:53:19 < dongs> did you see im supporting clubbing seals
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2015-12-16T09:17:01 < dongs> hm
2015-12-16T09:17:51 < dongs> i need a 8 pin wire to board connector
2015-12-16T09:18:32 < PeterM> power or signal?
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2015-12-16T09:18:46 < dongs> signal, just breakout board for leds + button
2015-12-16T09:18:50 < dongs> small stuff
2015-12-16T09:18:57 < dongs> im using these molex clones but
2015-12-16T09:18:59 < dongs> its kinda too wide
2015-12-16T09:19:06 < dongs> MultiComp 1251R-08-SM1
2015-12-16T09:19:31 < dongs> http://www.plccenter.com/buy/MULTICOMP/1251R08SM1
2015-12-16T09:19:34 < dongs> its a clone of some molex shit
2015-12-16T09:20:47 < PeterM> you could probably find some jst clones that meet your requirements
2015-12-16T09:21:19 < PeterM> 1.25mm pitch is pretty big
2015-12-16T09:21:43 < dongs> ya and it has fat mounting legs on both sides
2015-12-16T09:21:51 < dongs> i think i wanna put it on edge of 10x??mm board
2015-12-16T09:21:59 < PeterM> fat mounting legs are fineeeee
2015-12-16T09:22:00 < dongs> so the final thing shouldnt be > 10mm
2015-12-16T09:22:26 < jpa-> could use 2x4 also to have it narrower
2015-12-16T09:22:26 < PeterM> just need small enough spacing between real pins
2015-12-16T09:22:27 < dongs> not if they dont fit :(
2015-12-16T09:23:06 < dongs> jpa-: haha no
2015-12-16T09:23:11 < PeterM> you want top entry opr side entry?
2015-12-16T09:23:14 < dongs> side
2015-12-16T09:23:19 < dongs> like that molex shit but msaller
2015-12-16T09:23:23 < dongs> i guess some 1mm pitch JST?
2015-12-16T09:23:31 < dongs> RCfags are using some awful conectors maybe i shuld see what those are
2015-12-16T09:23:44 < dongs> http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/detail_e.php?series=231
2015-12-16T09:23:46 < dongs> i think this
2015-12-16T09:23:47 < dongs> JST-SH
2015-12-16T09:23:51 < PeterM> SUR/SUH JTS is 0.8mm iirc and comes side insertion
2015-12-16T09:24:02 < PeterM> *JST
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2015-12-16T09:25:47 < dongs> da fuq
2015-12-16T09:25:50 < dongs> SUH doenst come in 8 pin
2015-12-16T09:25:59 < dongs> and 10pin version is 10.2mm
2015-12-16T09:26:01 < dongs> boner
2015-12-16T09:26:14 < PeterM> qq
2015-12-16T09:26:19 < dongs> SUR is just receptacle for SUH isnt it?
2015-12-16T09:26:21 < dongs> er , plug
2015-12-16T09:26:25 < PeterM> yer
2015-12-16T09:26:26 < dongs> mfkr
2015-12-16T09:26:33 < dongs> i suppose i could make my pcb 10.5 or something but
2015-12-16T09:27:46 < dongs> what do you think bout jst-SH
2015-12-16T09:27:58 < dongs> it seems to lack mounting legs, lol
2015-12-16T09:28:09 < dongs> ah no it has some
2015-12-16T09:28:12 < dongs> in footprint
2015-12-16T09:28:24 < dongs> 10mm for 8pin
2015-12-16T09:28:40 < PeterM> its cutting it close
2015-12-16T09:29:04 < dongs> do you have any SUH installed somewhere?
2015-12-16T09:29:12 < dongs> is the mounting leg wrapped around plastic
2015-12-16T09:29:16 < dongs> or is it just a 'pin'
2015-12-16T09:29:48 < dongs> liek on a molex cloneshit its a C-shaped thing that actually goes through the plastic
2015-12-16T09:30:19 < PeterM> iirc its cshaped and goes through te pastic at fornt adn back
2015-12-16T09:30:19 < dongs> afraid dumusers are gonna just pull shit off hte board
2015-12-16T09:30:40 < PeterM> its c shaped and goes throug the plastic at he front and back
2015-12-16T09:30:49 < PeterM> just checked
2015-12-16T09:31:01 < dongs> hm thats defintiely something I'd want
2015-12-16T09:31:10 < dongs> fuck why dont they make it in 8 pin!?!?!?!
2015-12-16T09:31:54 < PeterM> nfi i got it in osmehting liek 16 pin or some shit
2015-12-16T09:32:08 < PeterM> that is fukken weird no 8 pin
2015-12-16T09:32:28 < PeterM> there 2/3/4/5/6/10/12/14/16/20 wtf
2015-12-16T09:32:35 < dongs> yes...
2015-12-16T09:32:43 < dongs> cunts
2015-12-16T09:33:28 < PeterM> probably because glorious nippon connector warrior can only slice with katana to 6 or 10 pin but not 8
2015-12-16T09:33:59 < dongs> eventually it will all come down to chinawiregirl being able to do these or not
2015-12-16T09:34:07 < dongs> i suspect -SH will win and Ill just have to deal with retard customers...
2015-12-16T09:34:29 < ReadError> any decent 2.0mm pitch connextors
2015-12-16T09:34:40 < dongs> oh hey stoner, which  connectors are on CC3D?
2015-12-16T09:34:42 < dongs> is it SH?
2015-12-16T09:34:43 < dongs> or somethign else
2015-12-16T09:34:50 < dongs> im looking for the shittiest conenctor ever
2015-12-16T09:34:53 < dongs> or on cloneracing even
2015-12-16T09:35:04 < ReadError> JST-SH
2015-12-16T09:35:07 < dongs> sigh
2015-12-16T09:35:16 < dongs> so chian can definitely do it
2015-12-16T09:36:37 < PeterM> and china cable mfg can crimp em no problem?
2015-12-16T09:37:28 < dongs> ya
2015-12-16T09:37:46 < dongs> im not hand-making these fuckin wires noway.
2015-12-16T09:37:53 < dongs> i trried to hand-crimp -PH
2015-12-16T09:37:59 < dongs> took like half an hour for 8 pins
2015-12-16T09:38:01 < dongs> fuck right off
2015-12-16T09:38:24 < PeterM> for anything mroe than like 3 connectors - get someone else to do it
2015-12-16T09:38:58 < dongs> im just worried about sticking to board capability of -sh
2015-12-16T09:39:03 < dongs> with the shitty pin
2015-12-16T09:39:42 < PeterM> just offer no garantee for physical damage
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2015-12-16T09:47:51 < dongs> hmmmm
2015-12-16T09:47:55 < dongs> they actaulyl can make SUH
2015-12-16T09:48:02 < dongs> but no 8pin...
2015-12-16T09:48:03 < dongs> da fuq
2015-12-16T09:48:40 < dongs> PeterM: wat do you think
2015-12-16T09:48:44 < ReadError> 8 is bad luck in china
2015-12-16T09:49:13 < PeterM> JST IS GLORIOUS NIPPON MANUFACTURER NOT DIRTY CHINESE
2015-12-16T09:50:15 < dongs> suh is less common, they can make it but price is dumb
2015-12-16T09:50:17 < dongs> -sh it is.
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2015-12-16T09:50:31 < PeterM> fairnuff
2015-12-16T09:51:01 < dongs> if it starts falling off the board ill switch to somethign else
2015-12-16T09:51:26 < PeterM> nah just epoxy ir some shit
2015-12-16T09:51:45 < ReadError> why dont they make with little throughhole slots?
2015-12-16T09:51:52 < jpa-> yeah, slapping a small nugget of shit on the connector will make sure people handle it carefully
2015-12-16T09:51:53 < ReadError> tabs
2015-12-16T09:51:56 < PeterM> allignment pegs?
2015-12-16T09:53:51 < dongs> ugh
2015-12-16T09:54:00 < dongs> the hole size bug in altidong16 is ragey
2015-12-16T09:54:41 < PeterM> blogging as intended
2015-12-16T09:58:19 < dongs> jst-sh footprint takes up 10.8mm overall
2015-12-16T09:58:21 < dongs> meh
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2015-12-16T10:15:42 < dongs> http://www.runcam.com/index.html
2015-12-16T10:15:44 < dongs> got chinaspam
2015-12-16T10:26:04 < ReadError> how much upverter spam you got?
2015-12-16T10:26:07 < ReadError> im up to like 5 emails
2015-12-16T10:30:26 < dongs> zero
2015-12-16T10:30:30 < dongs> i didnt acutally sign up for htem
2015-12-16T10:30:39 < dongs> i went to their site once
2015-12-16T10:30:43 < dongs> then i saw their shit in google ads for a while
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2015-12-16T11:04:50 < ReadError> holy shit kicad sucks
2015-12-16T11:05:02 < ReadError> mousewheel zoom is unusable
2015-12-16T11:09:26 < dongs> got reply back from encoderguys
2015-12-16T11:10:10 < dongs> half the price of sparkfuck
2015-12-16T11:10:42 < ReadError> quadrature encoder?
2015-12-16T11:10:48 < dongs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10982
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2015-12-16T11:28:00 < jpa-> ReadError: hm, how is it unusable for you? works fine for me
2015-12-16T11:28:18 < ReadError> its clicky and jumps around
2015-12-16T11:28:25 < ReadError> 'coggy' i guess
2015-12-16T11:28:32 < ReadError> step size is large
2015-12-16T11:29:00 < jpa-> windows or linux?
2015-12-16T11:29:31 < c10ud^> holy shit if it's hard getting certain parts.. I wanted a CH7024 and I need to fill countless of forms
2015-12-16T11:29:32 < ReadError> windows
2015-12-16T11:30:17 < jpa-> ReadError: i wonder if gtk has broken scrolling on windows once again; for some reason it tends to report 3x the actual value sometimes
2015-12-16T11:30:44 < jpa-> like most open source, seems the attitude towards windows is "it builds, lets ship it"
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2015-12-16T11:32:26 < jpa-> changing the mouse "scroll lines" setting in windows control panel might work.. :P
2015-12-16T11:32:40 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/bB06aSK.png plus it looks like this ;(
2015-12-16T11:33:43 < dongs> c10ud^: you arent gonna get it
2015-12-16T11:33:46 < jpa-> you don't like the colors? change them
2015-12-16T11:34:05 < dongs> also why the fuck would you use that ancient shit
2015-12-16T11:34:25 < c10ud^> dongs, only lvds-to-cvbs automagic ic I found
2015-12-16T11:34:27 < ReadError> siwtched to cario
2015-12-16T11:34:29 < ReadError> it looks better
2015-12-16T11:34:41 < c10ud^> why shouldn't I get it? they only deal with 1M requests?
2015-12-16T11:34:50 < dongs> yes, and the fact that its almost 10 years old
2015-12-16T11:34:55 < dongs> what are you trying to do?
2015-12-16T11:35:01 < jpa-> ReadError: the rendering mode thing in kicad is such luls.. some things work in cairo, some in gl, some in classic
2015-12-16T11:35:03 < c10ud^> lvds-to-cvbs
2015-12-16T11:35:07 < dongs> yeah, which lvds
2015-12-16T11:35:14 < c10ud^> rgb24
2015-12-16T11:35:27 < dongs> flatlink shit? actual lvds or do you mean 24bit parallel stuff
2015-12-16T11:35:52 < c10ud^> uhh idk, the kind of shit that comes out from embedded socs
2015-12-16T11:36:01 < dongs> it could be anything
2015-12-16T11:36:09 < dongs> how can you not know if you're trying to find chips to drive it with?
2015-12-16T11:36:16 < dongs> mobile socs post-2012 are all mipi-dsi
2015-12-16T11:36:29 < dongs> having parallel rgb or lvds is a nice surprise
2015-12-16T11:36:35 < c10ud^> I only checked out pinout
2015-12-16T11:36:42 < dongs> how many pins?
2015-12-16T11:37:06 < dongs> er, signals
2015-12-16T11:37:06 < dongs> or wahtever
2015-12-16T11:37:20 < c10ud^> atmel lcd controller : 24 data pins + vsync + hsync + pclk, den, pwm, disp
2015-12-16T11:37:28 < dongs> thats parallel rgb
2015-12-16T11:37:44 < dongs> you can use pretty much anything
2015-12-16T11:38:04 < c10ud^> anything that sells in 100qty
2015-12-16T11:38:28 < c10ud^> btw, ch7024 was used in some atmel board already, that's why I asked for it
2015-12-16T11:40:52 < c10ud^> also pinout seemed nice
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2015-12-16T11:43:55 < dongs> fuck, the prices for modern shit are retarded
2015-12-16T11:43:56 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ADV7343BSTZ/ADV7343BSTZ-ND/1305973
2015-12-16T11:44:02 < dongs> of course thats digijew prices but fuck
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2015-12-16T11:45:28 < c10ud^> wow, nice price
2015-12-16T11:45:58 < dongs> awful price
2015-12-16T11:46:07 < dongs> i suspect its around $5-ish in china but still
2015-12-16T11:46:09 < c10ud^> btw that seems a little overkill
2015-12-16T11:46:16 < dongs> thats too much, cuz of HD+crap that it does
2015-12-16T11:46:17 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-16T11:46:32 < dongs> http://www.intersil.com/content/dam/Intersil/documents/hmp8/hmp8154-56a.pdf
2015-12-16T11:46:34 < dongs> more ancient shit
2015-12-16T11:47:17 < c10ud^> the world doesn't want sub-50pin anymore
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2015-12-16T11:59:18 < dongs> anything that does ntsc/cvbs is ancient
2015-12-16T11:59:27 < dongs> that AD part is probly the last thing still in production
2015-12-16T12:01:05 < c10ud^> damn world, forgetting cvbs so easily
2015-12-16T12:01:52 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=BU1425AK
2015-12-16T12:01:54 < dongs> this looked nice
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2015-12-16T12:01:57 < dongs> but you cant buy it of course
2015-12-16T12:02:11 < c10ud^> yeah I saw that
2015-12-16T12:02:27 < c10ud^> thing is hdmi-to-cvbs is more or less the same
2015-12-16T12:03:25 < c10ud^> I think I'll need to look for other options if chrontel response is negative
2015-12-16T12:03:50 < dongs> hm fuck
2015-12-16T12:03:52 < c10ud^> in b4: trasmit and mix video over quite a long distance without buying overcomplex stuff
2015-12-16T12:03:55 < dongs> jap taxes going to 10% in 2017...
2015-12-16T12:04:06 < dongs> c10ud^: wtf are you trying to od anyway.
2015-12-16T12:04:08 < c10ud^> 20+ in europe, you're welcome
2015-12-16T12:04:16 < dongs> sales tax
2015-12-16T12:05:00 < c10ud^> dongs, ^
2015-12-16T12:05:09 < dongs> well, who cares about europe
2015-12-16T12:05:12 < dongs> thats like shithole of the world
2015-12-16T12:05:23 < c10ud^> ^ was referring to "what i'm trying to do"
2015-12-16T12:05:38 < dongs> what is it tho?
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2015-12-16T12:05:45 < c10ud^> even if it's more like: thinking of doing it
2015-12-16T12:05:47 < dongs> "transmit video over long distance?
2015-12-16T12:05:47 < zyp> yeah, sales tax is 25% over here
2015-12-16T12:06:10 < dongs> im gonna have to keep property in anchorage
2015-12-16T12:06:16 < dongs> probaly the last tax-free place on earth
2015-12-16T12:06:32 < c10ud^> transmit video to "more-than-HDMI-does-it" without shitty extenders (and 19-pin cables anyway)
2015-12-16T12:06:49 < dongs> so you're going to convert it to SD instead?
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2015-12-16T12:07:00 < c10ud^> quality isn't needed, so yea
2015-12-16T12:07:10 < c10ud^> also, the board soc outputs 24bit rgb
2015-12-16T12:07:26 < c10ud^> if I can skip the sil9022, even better
2015-12-16T12:08:33 < c10ud^> same thing for mixing..mixing cvbs is so easy..hdmi otoh..
2015-12-16T12:18:53 < dongs> no such thing as side-actuated tactile button w/rgb led inside right
2015-12-16T12:23:11 < dongs> http://www.highly.com/highly/pdf/pb615.pdf
2015-12-16T12:23:12 < dongs> ohhh
2015-12-16T12:24:00 < dongs> fucking garabge
2015-12-16T12:24:05 < dongs> the only common parts of those are single color leds
2015-12-16T12:24:19 < zyp> heh
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2015-12-16T14:52:11 < dongs> ya i duno wat to do...
2015-12-16T14:52:19 < dongs> i wanna put UI on a break-away board
2015-12-16T14:52:31 < dongs> since connector is so huge, it will have to be 12mm wide
2015-12-16T14:52:37 < dongs> i can put a sideways pushbutton on it
2015-12-16T14:52:42 < dongs> but then the light cant be seen
2015-12-16T15:11:47 < zyp> aww
2015-12-16T15:12:01 < scrts> hmm
2015-12-16T15:12:06 < scrts> registered for ST seminar
2015-12-16T15:12:09 < scrts> didn't attend
2015-12-16T15:12:17 < scrts> got an email to claim my free stm32f7 disco
2015-12-16T15:12:22 < scrts> not bad ST.. not bad..
2015-12-16T15:16:17 < karlp> man, I should try that.  never bothered as they're all overseas
2015-12-16T15:16:33 < dongs> haha
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2015-12-16T15:22:56 < Taxman> scrts: The f7 seminar?
2015-12-16T15:23:34 < scrts> yes, I've registered for one when I was in Ireland
2015-12-16T15:23:42 < scrts> but then sent an email saying that I won't be able to attend
2015-12-16T15:23:56 < scrts> now I am in the US, but they confirmed that will ship to the US address no prob.
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2015-12-16T15:25:10 < dongs> nice
2015-12-16T15:27:31 < scrts> https://www.pages01.net/stmicroelectronicsinternational/STM32F7_seminar
2015-12-16T15:27:36 < scrts> here's the link
2015-12-16T15:27:40 < scrts> might work for you too
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2015-12-16T15:28:51 < dongs> done
2015-12-16T15:28:52 < dongs> worked
2015-12-16T15:29:04 < dongs> i actually BOUGHT a F7disco and its fucking faulty
2015-12-16T15:29:13 < dongs> so if they send me a free workign one i'm ok with that.
2015-12-16T15:30:11 < scrts> seems like they have shitloads of discos then, lol
2015-12-16T15:30:14 < dongs> Thank you for your interest in our STM32 complimentary program. We confirm that your request has been validated and that the material will be sent to the address you have provided.
2015-12-16T15:30:18 < dongs> lol
2015-12-16T15:30:21 < dongs> well, tahnks!
2015-12-16T15:31:22 < scrts> np
2015-12-16T15:34:32 < dongs> i think i've registered/attended to some of thier weebinars things
2015-12-16T15:34:42 < dongs> but all the hands-on trash was in USA or other shit places
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2015-12-16T15:38:21 < scrts> and you're in Canada?
2015-12-16T15:38:48 < dongs> japan?
2015-12-16T15:38:56 < scrts> srsly?
2015-12-16T15:38:57 < scrts> :)
2015-12-16T15:39:10 < dongs> or israel, whichever you prefer
2015-12-16T15:44:55 < Taxman> scrts: I attended the workshop. it was good.
2015-12-16T15:45:09 < Taxman> got an F7, too.
2015-12-16T15:45:42 < scrts> cool, +1 respect points on ##stm32
2015-12-16T15:49:51 < ReadError> submitted for scam
2015-12-16T15:50:22 < Getty> this is way too much ontopic going on here ;)
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2015-12-16T16:09:07 < dongs> hm
2015-12-16T16:09:12 < dongs> so much wasted space on this dumb board
2015-12-16T16:09:18 < dongs> and im wasting evne more with UI breakout thingy
2015-12-16T16:09:19 < dongs> hmm
2015-12-16T16:11:22 < dongs> bwaha.. gumstix so pro
2015-12-16T16:11:27 < dongs> they jsut spammed me with shit about thier aerocore2
2015-12-16T16:11:31 < dongs> and i clicked the link in the fucking email
2015-12-16T16:11:33 < dongs> and it goes to 404
2015-12-16T16:13:17 < dongs> https://www.gumstix.com/geppetto/ wtf
2015-12-16T16:14:29 < Sync_> I know somebody who ordered shits through that
2015-12-16T16:14:31 < Sync_> it is not bad
2015-12-16T16:14:43 < dongs> qwhat do tehy do?
2015-12-16T16:14:49 < dongs> they layout a board for you and fab it?
2015-12-16T16:14:52 < dongs> to fit one of their COM things?
2015-12-16T16:14:52 < Sync_> ye
2015-12-16T16:15:09 < dongs> cuz the 3d flash floating shiznit is just to get approximate positions of stuff right?
2015-12-16T16:15:30 < Sync_> ye
2015-12-16T16:20:18 < dongs> https://store.gumstix.com/ac250.html looks horrible
2015-12-16T16:20:20 < dongs> lol @ all the parts on edges
2015-12-16T16:20:21 < dongs> wtf
2015-12-16T16:20:49 < dongs> and back silk covered b y componetns and shit
2015-12-16T16:20:55 < dongs> why are tehy selling this amateur crap wtf
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2015-12-16T16:29:04 < englishman> srsly still +g
2015-12-16T16:29:35 < dongs> songfs
2015-12-16T16:29:37 < dongs> er
2015-12-16T16:29:37 < dongs> dongs
2015-12-16T16:29:39 < dongs> fixed
2015-12-16T16:29:50 < dongs> cuz  you ping timeouted
2015-12-16T16:30:07 < englishman> wasn't sending anything important just trollin
2015-12-16T16:30:19 < bloated> http://www.ti.com/lit/slyw038
2015-12-16T16:30:25 < dongs> you should offer spracing to gumstix
2015-12-16T16:30:32 < dongs> they need some better layout ideez
2015-12-16T16:32:07 < dongs> bloated: old and there exists a direct link that doesnt need my.ti acocount
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2015-12-16T17:46:12 < emeb> dongs: buddy heard back from top-up - MOQ = 3k
2015-12-16T17:46:18 < dongs> he heard wrong
2015-12-16T17:46:24 < dongs> 300pcs is 75ntd/ea
2015-12-16T17:46:29 < dongs> 1k is 50ntd
2015-12-16T17:46:40 < dongs> no real moq, but lesser qty is more
2015-12-16T17:46:56 < dongs> 75 ntd = 2.3$-ish
2015-12-16T17:47:07 < emeb> ic
2015-12-16T17:47:16 < upgrdman> $2.30 for one rgb rotary encoder?
2015-12-16T17:47:16 < dongs> i have a quote w/that stuff in it
2015-12-16T17:47:22 < dongs> lemme see leadtime
2015-12-16T17:47:22 < dongs> upgrdman: yeah
2015-12-16T17:47:34 < emeb> oh - they did say "sample run" of 150 or so for $4.50
2015-12-16T17:47:34 < upgrdman> damn. i would have expect them to be like $0.30
2015-12-16T17:47:57 < dongs> leadtime is liek a month
2015-12-16T17:48:35 < dongs> 35-45'working days' after payment
2015-12-16T17:48:58 < dongs> upgrdman: nobody cloned them in china yet
2015-12-16T17:49:02 < dongs> so they can charge high price
2015-12-16T17:49:18 < upgrdman> ah :(
2015-12-16T17:49:23 < ReadError> dongs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kxL7TLObEWJ8NyC9Ce011MTlSeyPBR1mnC-fLEgBOno/edit#gid=0
2015-12-16T17:49:29 < ReadError> smoothie2 fpga equipped
2015-12-16T17:49:54 < dongs> yeah trash
2015-12-16T17:49:56 < dongs> who cares dude
2015-12-16T17:50:05 < emeb> fpga is the new hotness
2015-12-16T17:50:14 < emeb> makes all your troubles evaporate
2015-12-16T17:50:24 < ReadError> heh
2015-12-16T17:50:32 < dongs> gah, they have the fucking fpga at 45" agnle
2015-12-16T17:50:36 < dongs> i fucking
2015-12-16T17:50:36 < dongs> hate
2015-12-16T17:50:40 < dongs> boards like that
2015-12-16T17:51:51 < Sync_> fucking aids
2015-12-16T17:51:58 < Sync_> what does the fpga?!
2015-12-16T17:52:13 < dongs> fuck knows
2015-12-16T17:52:17 < dongs> wahtever tehy couldnt write in C++11
2015-12-16T17:52:23 < dongs> in the shit smoothiewarefaggotware
2015-12-16T17:53:08 < emeb> dongs: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bcc_s6/index.html
2015-12-16T17:53:40 < dongs> yea i know
2015-12-16T17:53:46 < bradfirj> Is it possible to program Xilinix FPGAs with open tools or is it all locked down
2015-12-16T17:53:47 < emeb> :)
2015-12-16T17:53:58 < dongs> bradfirj: last thing im worried about
2015-12-16T17:54:02 < emeb> lol "open tools"
2015-12-16T17:54:06 < dongs> or anyone using FPGA, most liklely.
2015-12-16T17:54:08 < emeb> simply - no.
2015-12-16T17:54:13 < bradfirj> Fair enough, thanks
2015-12-16T17:54:21 < Sync_> there is haxxed lattice stuff tho
2015-12-16T17:54:37 < emeb> Why do you care about open tools? Xilinx tools are no cost.
2015-12-16T17:54:45 < zyp> bradfirj, depends on the sense of «program»
2015-12-16T17:54:45 < emeb> and run on Linux / Win
2015-12-16T17:54:50 < dongs> he doesnt want them free as in beer
2015-12-16T17:54:54 < bradfirj> Nah I don't give a rats ass about reverse engineered half-assed attempts, money isn't the issue
2015-12-16T17:54:59 < dongs> he wants htem free as fucking useless
2015-12-16T17:55:20 < bradfirj> Unlike the angriest man in the universe here, I have a soft spot for open software
2015-12-16T17:55:42 < zyp> dongs, then he'd be happy with the current state of it
2015-12-16T17:55:54 < bradfirj> Heh, fucking useless is it?
2015-12-16T17:55:57 < emeb> If you want Free as in Speech FPGA tools try the lattice stuff.
2015-12-16T17:56:05 < zyp> oh?
2015-12-16T17:56:08 < emeb> there's a toolchain for those that almost works.
2015-12-16T17:56:13 < zyp> for the ice stuff?
2015-12-16T17:56:18 < emeb> Yes
2015-12-16T17:56:22 < emeb> I've done some testing with it.
2015-12-16T17:56:39 < zyp> I bought an icestick once to pad a digikey order, never done anything with it
2015-12-16T17:56:40 < dongs> now that actel is dead what do all the pro cloners use?
2015-12-16T17:56:41 < dongs> lattice?
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2015-12-16T17:57:01 < emeb> http://www.clifford.at/icestorm/
2015-12-16T17:57:23 < zyp> that's kinda cool
2015-12-16T17:57:31 < emeb> Was able to do some simple stuff. It failed when I tried to load a ROM table with preset info though.
2015-12-16T17:58:30 < emeb> that was a couple months ago though - maybe they fixed it.
2015-12-16T17:59:05 < dongs> uhh
2015-12-16T17:59:10 < dongs> shithub is full of .py files
2015-12-16T17:59:12 < dongs> for that project
2015-12-16T17:59:29 < emeb> python is super pro. one might say artisanal!
2015-12-16T17:59:36 < dongs> https://github.com/cliffordwolf/icestorm/blob/master/iceprog/iceprog.c#L51
2015-12-16T17:59:37 < dongs> fuck
2015-12-16T17:59:41 < dongs> closed
2015-12-16T17:59:46 < dongs> this guy can diaf
2015-12-16T18:00:07 < zyp> haha
2015-12-16T18:00:42 < zyp> say, does the ice chips have internal flash?
2015-12-16T18:01:00 < emeb> don't think so.
2015-12-16T18:01:02 < zyp> or do they need to be downloaded from external memory?
2015-12-16T18:01:03 < zyp> ok
2015-12-16T18:01:10 < emeb> external spi flash part.
2015-12-16T18:01:26 < dongs> http://m.eet.com/media/1158687/ice.jpg
2015-12-16T18:01:28 < dongs> why no flash here?
2015-12-16T18:01:36 < zyp> then iceprog is kinda irrelevant, since you'll just stream it from host mcu anyway
2015-12-16T18:01:42 < zyp> if using it like that
2015-12-16T18:02:03 < bradfirj> They list a small amount of internal "memory" but don't specify immediately what it is
2015-12-16T18:02:09 < bradfirj> might be sram might not be
2015-12-16T18:02:09 < zyp> dongs, bottom? there's no usb chip either visible
2015-12-16T18:02:22 < emeb> IIRC iceprog does load the part for testing and the flash for permanent.
2015-12-16T18:03:06 < zyp> I'd rather do mcu-controlled loading for any application pairing it with an mcu
2015-12-16T18:03:19 < emeb> yep
2015-12-16T18:03:23 < emeb> that's what I always do
2015-12-16T18:03:43 < zyp> but I'm not gonna do slave parallel again :)
2015-12-16T18:03:44 < emeb> I put a flash part on one board at request of potential user.
2015-12-16T18:03:54 < emeb> but hated it.
2015-12-16T18:03:59 < zyp> haha
2015-12-16T18:04:15 < emeb> and screw parallel - only helpful on giant parts that take forever to configure serial.
2015-12-16T18:04:18 < dongs> anyway, emeb, thats the price. i kidna expected it to be less, especially for 1k but oh well.
2015-12-16T18:04:23 < dongs> bedtime
2015-12-16T18:04:28 < emeb> dongs: thx for the info!
2015-12-16T18:04:35 < dongs> $1.53 @ 1k looks like
2015-12-16T18:04:44 < emeb> could be a lot worse.
2015-12-16T18:04:52 < dongs> could be sparkfun.com
2015-12-16T18:04:54 < dongs> yea
2015-12-16T18:05:06 < zyp> my board that plugs into waveshare fsmc port does slave parallel «since it's going to hook up to a memory bus anyway»
2015-12-16T18:05:47 < emeb> I always use serial from a spi port, then use the spi port to talk to the configured design.
2015-12-16T18:06:01 < emeb> works great
2015-12-16T18:06:28 < zyp> well, application could benefit from higher speeds than SPI will do, that's why it's on FSMC
2015-12-16T18:06:35 < emeb> ya
2015-12-16T18:06:48 < upgrdman> nice https://www.ti.com/seclit/ug/slyw038b/slyw038b.pdf
2015-12-16T18:06:54 < zyp> but next rev I'll just use an SPI port for configuration in addition
2015-12-16T18:06:56 < emeb> I've put other pins on parallel bus but haven't ever actually used it.
2015-12-16T18:07:10 < dongs> k zzz
2015-12-16T18:07:22 < zyp> I should resume that project some time
2015-12-16T18:07:38 < emeb> mainly because those designs were on ARM SoC running linux and linux drivers for the parallel bus were a PITA
2015-12-16T18:07:46 < zyp> but I've got more important stuff to do before then
2015-12-16T18:07:55 < emeb> yes
2015-12-16T18:09:07 < zyp> right now I'm wondering how I should get my new washing machine that's sitting in a box in the middle of the living room into my bathroom
2015-12-16T18:09:16 < zyp> shit's like 70kg
2015-12-16T18:09:35 < emeb> invite some friends over for pizza and beer. then "by the way, could you help with the washer?"
2015-12-16T18:09:53 < zyp> hehe
2015-12-16T18:10:24 < emeb> or get some long hoses and just leave it in the living room.
2015-12-16T18:10:28 < zyp> just moved to a new town, don't know a lot of people here
2015-12-16T18:11:05 < emeb> When we got new washer/dryer the dudes who delivered them hooked them up and hauled off the old ones...
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2015-12-16T18:12:09 < zyp> I could have paid extra for that, but it didn't seem worth it
2015-12-16T18:13:26 < Rob235> get a dolly
2015-12-16T18:13:35 < emeb> +1
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2015-12-16T18:13:41 < emeb> handy for other stuff too.
2015-12-16T18:13:57 < emeb> hauling around big servers
2015-12-16T18:14:03 < zyp> haha
2015-12-16T18:14:22 < mitrax> GAH even the simple blocking uart read/write functions are broken in stm32cube, unbelievable
2015-12-16T18:14:41 < emeb> I've heard that from others too
2015-12-16T18:15:08 < emeb> when I used cube on my F7 project I just ended up writing all my own crap. PITA.
2015-12-16T18:15:39 < mitrax> the read function doesn't check the uart ISR register, so if there's an error overrun / noise / whatever it simply timeouts
2015-12-16T18:15:44 < mitrax> fucking ridiculous
2015-12-16T18:17:29 < mitrax> so far i tried to convince myself to stick with it and not switch to something else but i guess it's time to have a look at libopencm3
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2015-12-16T18:19:12 < mitrax> about libopencm3 is Karlp the main contributor / project author or did i misunderstand?
2015-12-16T18:27:48 < zyp> no, but he's been the most active maintainer lately
2015-12-16T18:32:10 < mitrax> oh ok
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2015-12-16T18:38:52 < mitrax> is there peripherals for which it lacks support? (not talking about the new F7 but everything <= F4)
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2015-12-16T18:45:00 < tecdroid> can someone tell me how to use stm32cubemx to generate an eclipse project?
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2015-12-16T18:54:54 < ReadError> lol
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2015-12-16T19:14:38 < aadamson> Well, I'm stumped (not hard to do).  I have a processor pin (PA0) on an F405, it's connected directly to a 2n7002 (n-fet) which switched the gate of a larger p-fet.  The 2n7002 has a 100k pull down to ground, and on the drain is 22v through a 100k.  The gate of the P-fet is between the 100k pull up and the 2n7002.  The source on the p-fet is also 22v.
2015-12-16T19:15:09 < aadamson> so that circuit, when I use 12v instead of 22v works just fine, but as soon as I go above 17v, switching the N fet on, causes the board to reboot
2015-12-16T19:15:30 < aadamson> (actually, it fires the hardware exception and ultimately the IWDG reboots the board
2015-12-16T19:15:45 < aadamson> what on earth would cause that to happen.
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2015-12-16T19:16:12 < aadamson> I have the exact same circuit on other FET's and this doesn't happen.  BTW, it make no difference if it's a load on the Pfet or not
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2015-12-16T19:16:23 < aadamson> any ideas appreciated
2015-12-16T19:17:07 < celeron55_> well, for completeness' sake, what is the p-fet exactly?
2015-12-16T19:17:17 < aadamson> and what is causing the hardware fault is the GPIO->register change (on only)...
2015-12-16T19:17:21 < aadamson> hang on, I'll grab that
2015-12-16T19:17:44 < aadamson> http://www.diodes.com/_files/datasheets/DMP4015SK3Q.pdf
2015-12-16T19:17:48 < aadamson> that's the P-fet
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2015-12-16T19:18:20 < aadamson> and yet a http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1796811.pdf doesn't cause this issue?
2015-12-16T19:18:26 < aadamson> (as the p-fet)
2015-12-16T19:21:02 < aadamson> let me screen grab the schematic really quick or that section
2015-12-16T19:21:05 < celeron55_> i would be very suspicious about any errors made when assembling those two boards with the different p-fets
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2015-12-16T19:21:25 < celeron55_> i mean, it doesn't sound like there's much chance for error anywhere else
2015-12-16T19:21:57 < celeron55_> like maybe one of the 100k resistors isn't 100k
2015-12-16T19:22:07 < aadamson> http://imgur.com/7LDbrBT
2015-12-16T19:23:26 < aadamson> checked all those obvious things.. at this point, I think I'll lift the source on the Pfet and see if it still happens.  Maybe before I do that, I'll change the n-fet pin to an analog pin and jumper the 2n7002 to 3.3v and see if manually turn ing on the fet has the same effect
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2015-12-16T19:23:41 < aadamson> I suppose I could have a bad 2n7002
2015-12-16T19:24:58 < celeron55_> maybe measure the main voltage on the board with a scope and see if it drops when the error happens
2015-12-16T19:25:05 < aadamson> even more strange... if I start the board on 12v. and then I turn on that circuit with firmware it works, then I bring the voltage up to 22v, I can test the output of the larger fet
2015-12-16T19:25:27 < aadamson> celeron55_, thanks for that, I did that this morning, nope, nothing is *browning* out or dropping in the busses
2015-12-16T19:26:00 < celeron55_> okay, so we really are in the very-interesting territory then 8)
2015-12-16T19:26:14 < aadamson> oh, and turning off the circuit work not matter what the voltage is
2015-12-16T19:26:32 < aadamson> it's just turning it on when the high side voltage is greater than 17v
2015-12-16T19:26:53 < aadamson> celeron55_, yup, I'd say so... strangest one I've seen in a while
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2015-12-16T19:28:57 < aadamson> I've turned off the PA0_WKUP stuff, I wonder if there is some other issue with using PA0 here?
2015-12-16T19:29:32 < aadamson> wonder what uncle google might say :)
2015-12-16T19:30:52 < celeron55_> are you sure there's no other difference in what is happening in the circuit when the voltage is above 17V compared to below 17V?
2015-12-16T19:31:29 < aadamson> yeah, all those fets do is switch a high side voltage, that same high side voltage drives 2 power supplies to provide 5v and 3.3v
2015-12-16T19:31:38 < aadamson> and the high side voltage is clean as well
2015-12-16T19:31:58 < aadamson> the 2 (there are actually 7) FET's set side by each and are the identical circuit
2015-12-16T19:32:26 < aadamson> I just use that diodes fet for that one because I want a really low rdson as it drives either a resistive or inductive load
2015-12-16T19:32:30 < aadamson> at about 3A
2015-12-16T19:32:59 < aadamson> and all of this works at 12v, I only found this because someone had some interesting in using it at 24v
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2015-12-16T19:34:18 < celeron55_> that diodes fet does have 10 times the capacitance
2015-12-16T19:35:36 < aadamson> yeah, I did notice that
2015-12-16T19:35:45 < celeron55_> and you are switching it on really fast
2015-12-16T19:36:10 < aadamson> ok... so here's one other data point... *maybe you are onto something*
2015-12-16T19:36:40 < aadamson> *if* i debug single step the code all the way through the register change turning on the pin - IT DOES NOT CAUSE A HARDWARE FAULT
2015-12-16T19:37:23 < celeron55_> i'd imagine it probably turns on just as fast then too
2015-12-16T19:38:50 < aadamson> yeah... I wonder if changing the pin speed would make any difference (probably not)
2015-12-16T19:38:53 < celeron55_> this is quite the guess, but maybe it does create some kind of interference when the core is running 8)
2015-12-16T19:39:10 < celeron55_> put a series resistor on the gate of the p-fet and see what happens
2015-12-16T19:39:28 < celeron55_> i mean, that's the only difference here; i'm really surprised if it does not help
2015-12-16T19:39:44 < aadamson> hehe - so much *free* help today ... lol  between the existing 100k and the gate of the P?
2015-12-16T19:40:04 < celeron55_> yes
2015-12-16T19:43:20 < aadamson> ok, I'll give that a try... gotta be something stupid :)... thanks!
2015-12-16T19:44:58 < celeron55_> ...i don't think the 2n7002 is actually even specified to be able to short 4nF at 22V directly to ground
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2015-12-16T19:47:50 < celeron55_> (it's 1.2A peak, so really you want at least 18 ohms in there)
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2015-12-16T21:06:17 < ambro718> Hey, is it posible to read from SD card with DMA into non-aligned buffers?
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2015-12-16T21:10:46 < jpa-> ambro718: using SDIO or SPI?
2015-12-16T21:10:54 < ambro718> SDIO
2015-12-16T21:11:18 < jpa-> ok, dunno about that; with SPI atleast it would be possible because the transfers are byte-sized
2015-12-16T21:11:24 < jpa-> i would assume with SDIO also
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2015-12-16T21:14:09 < ambro718> The manual says this in the DMA section:  Independent source and destination transfer width (byte, half-word, word): when the data widths of the source and destination are not equal, the DMA automatically packs/unpacks the necessary transfers to optimize the bandwidth. This feature is only available in FIFO mode
2015-12-16T21:15:41 < ambro718> so.. the answer is yes?
2015-12-16T21:16:07 < ambro718> I'm pretty sure the transfers on the SDIO side are 4byte-sized
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2015-12-16T21:20:12 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/mOTHgnf.jpg
2015-12-16T21:23:52 < upgrdman> lol
2015-12-16T21:27:02 < mitrax> jpa-: remember my ISL83483 thingy where i connected both RE/DE on the same pin? when i enable the transmitter (and disable the receiver) i get some noise and a frame error on the transmitter
2015-12-16T21:29:56 < mitrax> i don't get it ... the SR register only changes when i hit the breakpoint duh
2015-12-16T21:31:01 < kakimir> europeans are weird
2015-12-16T21:31:11 < kakimir> they dont use driving lights
2015-12-16T21:31:40 < kakimir> police actually writes fines if you use driving lights and it's not dark
2015-12-16T21:31:46 < BrainDamage> wat
2015-12-16T21:31:56 < kakimir> in south
2015-12-16T21:32:25 < kakimir> now new cars here are shit without daytime driving lights
2015-12-16T21:32:47 < kakimir> dark cars
2015-12-16T21:32:49 < BrainDamage> here absolutely not and it's still part of eu, it's actually the opposite, it's illegal not to use driving lights  in suburuban roads
2015-12-16T21:33:02 < kakimir> same here
2015-12-16T21:33:13 < kakimir> but aren't we all pretty much from north?
2015-12-16T21:33:29 < BrainDamage> do you count italy as north?
2015-12-16T21:33:33 < kakimir> no
2015-12-16T21:33:43 < BrainDamage> then no
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2015-12-16T21:34:41 < kakimir> so there has to be seperate daytime driving lights
2015-12-16T21:34:50 < kakimir> or something
2015-12-16T21:34:54 < kakimir> or I just bullshit
2015-12-16T21:36:06 < BrainDamage> most people here just use low beam headlights regardless the time of the day, it's legal always
2015-12-16T21:36:09 < mitrax> wtf that's super weird, i have the following: enable_de_pin(); delay_ms(100); uint32_t sr = uart->SR; <breakpoint here> sr = uart->SR; when i hit the breakpoint, sr (copied from uart->SR right before the breakpoint) doesn't have the frame error bit, but if i watch SR's value (or execute the next line) i see the frame error bit is now set, no matter what delay i use it behaves the same
2015-12-16T21:38:34 < Laurenceb> in UK its illegal
2015-12-16T21:38:51 < Laurenceb> lights have to be off before some specific time unless its very bad weather
2015-12-16T21:39:12 < Laurenceb> like sunset - 30 minutes or something, its actually written down somewhere in a big table
2015-12-16T21:39:25 < kakimir> I think spain is another
2015-12-16T21:39:33 < kakimir> and maybe usa then
2015-12-16T21:39:41 < trepidacious> Laurenceb: Are you sure? Volvos have their lights on all the time
2015-12-16T21:39:57 < kakimir> those are programmed
2015-12-16T21:40:00 < kakimir> by country
2015-12-16T21:40:03 < Laurenceb> its in "the highway code"
2015-12-16T21:40:11 < Laurenceb> part of driving exam
2015-12-16T21:40:13 < trepidacious> Laurenceb: I spent about a year or so with my lights on all the time
2015-12-16T21:40:18 < trepidacious> I never heard that...
2015-12-16T21:40:27 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-12-16T21:40:34 < kakimir> it's lots safer to have lights on
2015-12-16T21:40:40 < kakimir> daytime
2015-12-16T21:40:49 < Laurenceb> police will stop you if they dont like you
2015-12-16T21:41:03 < kakimir> and let you go if you are not dick
2015-12-16T21:41:23 < Laurenceb> my dad got stopped for light once, but they probably scanned his number plate
2015-12-16T21:41:30 < Laurenceb> and saw massive criminal record
2015-12-16T21:45:14 < mitrax> hmm nevermind the noise occurs after >1000ms, gah
2015-12-16T21:45:15 < PaulFertser> In Russia lights during the daytime were not mandatory about 5 years ago. But weren't illegal either. Then they made them mandatory outside settlements, and few years later everywhere. My personal impression is that was a really good move.
2015-12-16T21:46:38 < PaulFertser> (of course, that's talking about the cars, motorbikes needed to have lights on all the time since ages)
2015-12-16T21:46:46 < zyp> in norway lights have been mandatory at any time for as long as I've known
2015-12-16T21:47:53 < trepidacious> Wow you're right: You MUST NOT
2015-12-16T21:47:54 < trepidacious> use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders
2015-12-16T21:47:55 < trepidacious> use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).
2015-12-16T21:48:03 < trepidacious> Ah no that's fog lights
2015-12-16T21:48:28 < zyp> yeah, fog lights are disallowed here too unless necessary
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2015-12-16T21:48:47 < BrainDamage> same here, but low beam headlights are not considered problematic
2015-12-16T21:48:50 < trepidacious> No, I can't find anything about not using normal headlights in the day: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-techniques-and-advice-for-all-drivers-and-riders-103-to-158
2015-12-16T21:48:50 < PaulFertser> Some drivers here are trying to blind me with their front lights when I'm on a bicycle :/
2015-12-16T21:49:12 < BrainDamage> yes, i fucking hate the tilt wheel on low beam headlights
2015-12-16T21:49:29 < trepidacious> The thing is, headlights aren't really that bright in the day - they're only dazzling when you need them on anyway (IMHO)
2015-12-16T21:49:31 < BrainDamage> a lot of people stick it to one value and never change it with load
2015-12-16T21:49:46 < BrainDamage> so the "low beam" isn't always low
2015-12-16T21:50:22 < trepidacious> I hate those BMW/other too-fancy car headlights that are really really intense - probably only a bit more total power, but coming out of a tiny lens the size of the end of a coke can, so they are much more intense
2015-12-16T21:50:28 < PaulFertser> Some drivers do not switch to the low beam even when a car is approaching in the opposite direction.
2015-12-16T21:50:38 < trepidacious> There should be rules for the maximum power/area
2015-12-16T21:51:39 < trepidacious> Plus people driving along in heavy fog with the "side lights" on - those things should be banned, they do nothing ;)
2015-12-16T21:51:49 < zyp> PaulFertser, new car I ordered the other day can apparently do that automatically
2015-12-16T21:53:00 < PaulFertser> And many motorbikers here think that that it's good to always ride with the high beam.
2015-12-16T21:53:32 < ReadError> its expensive to get a license in europe isnt it?
2015-12-16T21:53:42 < PaulFertser> Judging by how many accidents happen due to stupid car drivers that can't notice an approaching biker, that might be making some sense, at least during the daytime.
2015-12-16T21:53:59 < zyp> ReadError, yeah, there's a bunch of mandatory training
2015-12-16T21:54:00 < jpa-> ReadError: 1000-2000 EUR depending on country
2015-12-16T21:54:01 < ReadError> when i rode bikes i always left light on
2015-12-16T21:54:08 < ReadError> damn thats carzy
2015-12-16T21:54:10 < ReadError> crazy*
2015-12-16T21:54:21 < zyp> why?
2015-12-16T21:54:32 < ReadError> well compared to USA I mean
2015-12-16T21:54:39 < zyp> it's usually a once a lifetime expense
2015-12-16T21:54:42 < BrainDamage> depends on the place, here the minimum fee is the test cost + legal practice, which is ~600€, if you add training, it's 1200-1500€
2015-12-16T21:54:49 < ReadError> here at 15 you get a learners then at 16 you take the exam for full
2015-12-16T21:54:49 < jpa-> ReadError: its expensive to get sick in USA isnt it?
2015-12-16T21:54:59 < ReadError> jpa- not with OBAMACARE
2015-12-16T21:55:11 < PaulFertser> And motorbikers here do not need to pass any test riding in traffic at all, just the theory and some riding exercises.
2015-12-16T21:55:25 < ReadError> there was no exam for bike
2015-12-16T21:55:29 < ReadError> just a written test
2015-12-16T21:55:34 < trepidacious> I'd rather bikes always had standard lights on as well as cars, it can't really do any harm
2015-12-16T21:55:42 < trepidacious> Apparently they are pretty sure it would reduce accidents
2015-12-16T21:55:46 < PaulFertser> ReadError: eh, no exam at all for a motorbike?
2015-12-16T21:55:59 < zyp> ReadError, I'm pretty happy knowing that other drivers on the road are properly trained
2015-12-16T21:56:16 < ReadError> PaulFertser atleast not in the states ive done it in
2015-12-16T21:56:34 < BrainDamage> remember that eu is considerably more densely populated than the usa
2015-12-16T21:56:51 < BrainDamage> accidents would skyrocket if your average driver quality goes down
2015-12-16T21:56:55 < ReadError> zyp well the idea is, your parents train you for a year
2015-12-16T21:57:03 < PaulFertser> ReadError: and you can ride any bike, including 1000cc sport?
2015-12-16T21:57:05 < ReadError> you cant drive without them
2015-12-16T21:57:10 < ReadError> PaulFertser ya correct
2015-12-16T21:57:18 < PaulFertser> Damn, thats crazy
2015-12-16T21:57:19 < zyp> ReadError, we do that too, in addition to the mandatory training
2015-12-16T21:57:28 < ReadError> ofc its advantageous if you take a cycling course
2015-12-16T21:57:30 < BrainDamage> we have a learner's permit here too, up to 6 months, renewable
2015-12-16T21:57:33 < ReadError> but its your own life
2015-12-16T21:57:50 < BrainDamage> ( each renewation is additional 6 months )
2015-12-16T21:58:06 < zyp> over here you can get a learner's permit at 16 after taking a course, which doesn't have to be recommended
2015-12-16T21:58:08 < ReadError> the driving age is 18 in europe?
2015-12-16T21:58:11 < zyp> yep
2015-12-16T21:58:28 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: DE drivers are (were?) famous for highspeed tailgating, seems some people just can't learn even with plenty of mandatory training.
2015-12-16T21:58:30 < ReadError> I think here, you can operate a motorbike at 14 or 15
2015-12-16T21:58:43 < zyp> over here it's recommended that people practice for 2000km or so, in addition to the mandatory stuff
2015-12-16T21:58:45 < ReadError> its less than a motor vehicle
2015-12-16T21:59:02 < zyp> my brother got in over 9000km on his learner permit, and then got the license the day he turned 18
2015-12-16T21:59:17 < ReadError> also if its under a certain displacement, you dont need a license I dont think
2015-12-16T21:59:30 < ReadError> (motorcycle license)
2015-12-16T22:00:02 < PaulFertser> ReadError: we now have mandatory licenses even for 50cc scooters. But powerful ebikes seem to be unregulated yet.
2015-12-16T22:00:10 < BrainDamage> here power limited small motorbikes with displacement under 50cc and power below, uh, iirc 2.5kW were license free and usable by anyone above 16
2015-12-16T22:00:16 < BrainDamage> now there's a mini license for those too
2015-12-16T22:00:20 < zyp> powerful ebikes are simply disallowed here
2015-12-16T22:00:26 < zyp> limit is 250W
2015-12-16T22:00:47 < PaulFertser> zyp: damn, that's less than a skilled cyclists can generate without any e-assitance.
2015-12-16T22:00:52 < BrainDamage> here there's a weird law wrt ebikes, if it's only assisted pedaling, it's unlimited
2015-12-16T22:01:00 < zyp> oh, 250W is not a huge problem
2015-12-16T22:01:08 < zyp> they also have a 25km/h cap on the assist mode
2015-12-16T22:01:09 < BrainDamage> but the instant you wire an accelerator, it's classified as a motorbike
2015-12-16T22:01:28 < zyp> and only pedal assist, no accelerator here either
2015-12-16T22:01:38 < PaulFertser> zyp: now, that's pretty silly, one can go 30 km/h on average on flats even without much training.
2015-12-16T22:01:43 < zyp> I did a retrofit of a 250W BBS01 on my bike
2015-12-16T22:02:03 < zyp> but I turned off the cap :)
2015-12-16T22:02:21 < PaulFertser> But I guess those restrictions make some sense given how unsuitable most of the "bike lanes" in EU are.
2015-12-16T22:02:23 < ReadError> do they dyno your bike?
2015-12-16T22:02:29 < zyp> and yeah, except for uphills I'm always going over 25
2015-12-16T22:02:31 < ReadError> how to prove the 250 or under?
2015-12-16T22:02:52 < zyp> ReadError, they don't really check that
2015-12-16T22:03:01 < zyp> so lots of people don't care
2015-12-16T22:03:54 < ReadError> ahh so just a guideline that cant easily be enforced
2015-12-16T22:04:07 < BrainDamage> when i was in high school there were lot of other kids that removed the chokes on the engines to go faster on their scooters
2015-12-16T22:04:10 < PaulFertser> zyp: but if you have a motorbike license, can you beef your ebike up?
2015-12-16T22:04:31 < BrainDamage> a favourite pasttime of police was stationing in the proximity of high schools and doing random checks on the scooters
2015-12-16T22:04:39 < zyp> well, you'd have to register it and get it approved as a motorbike then
2015-12-16T22:04:44 < ReadError> I want to make a mountain board
2015-12-16T22:04:44 < zyp> complete with license plate and all
2015-12-16T22:04:48 < PaulFertser> So unrealistic?
2015-12-16T22:04:49 < ReadError> with one of these VESC
2015-12-16T22:05:05 < zyp> PaulFertser, idk, I've been tempted to try
2015-12-16T22:05:16 < PaulFertser> Getting a license plate wouldn't be too hard unless you'd need to do a special certification as a "custom vehicle" etc.
2015-12-16T22:05:55 < zyp> well, you probably have to prove that you meet some safety stuff, idk
2015-12-16T22:06:44 < zyp> I think I've heard talk about people converting existing motorbikes to electric
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2015-12-16T22:07:10 < zyp> but then you're basing it on a frame that's already approved for those kinds of speeds and weight
2015-12-16T22:07:46 < PaulFertser> What I really do not like about ebikes is that those enthusiasts here like to draft behind the trucks...
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2015-12-16T22:08:31 < ReadError> I dont ride bikes much anymore for one particular reason: other drivers
2015-12-16T22:08:34 < zyp> haha
2015-12-16T22:09:32 < PaulFertser> In Moscow about 70% of bike/car accidents happen due to car drivers.
2015-12-16T22:09:45 < ReadError> exactly
2015-12-16T22:09:51 < ReadError> im not worried about my skills
2015-12-16T22:09:57 < ReadError> more so the cagers not paying attention
2015-12-16T22:10:00 < PaulFertser> And that's given our bikers are not exactly law-abiding.
2015-12-16T22:10:34 < kakimir> there is group of car drivers that have uncontrollable hate for people of two wheels and especially on bicycle
2015-12-16T22:11:04 < kakimir> and they may intentionally hit you
2015-12-16T22:11:12 < BrainDamage> wat
2015-12-16T22:11:35 < BrainDamage> you'd end up in jail for attempted murder here
2015-12-16T22:11:46 < BrainDamage> provided he doesn' succeed
2015-12-16T22:12:10 < PaulFertser> I once was intentionally touched by a mirror. After a stupid driver had to break a bit hard to not hit me because he should have yielded properly but didn't want to.
2015-12-16T22:12:36 < ReadError> ive had a few friends killed by careless drivers
2015-12-16T22:12:53 < PaulFertser> (that was on a bicycle)
2015-12-16T22:14:03 < kakimir> there is time to time chat threads where these bicyclist haters tell about their fantasies to drive over bicyclists :D
2015-12-16T22:14:29 < kakimir> even when they don't come to your way
2015-12-16T22:15:36 < kakimir> but especially when they come to your way - it's a free chance there
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2015-12-16T22:18:33 < kakimir> it's not to be confused to typical road rage
2015-12-16T22:19:06 < ReadError> cant say ive read anything like that
2015-12-16T22:19:16 < kakimir> too little internets
2015-12-16T22:24:27 < PeterM> around here everywhere is too far to ride, car is a must
2015-12-16T22:24:50 < kakimir> PeterM: ?
2015-12-16T22:24:52 < kakimir> where?
2015-12-16T22:24:56 < kakimir> russia?
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2015-12-16T22:25:08 < PeterM> rural australia
2015-12-16T22:25:56 < PeterM> i dont have troubles wiht cyclists on the road - i have problems with people on fucking horses
2015-12-16T22:26:06 < kakimir> people fucking horses?
2015-12-16T22:26:12 < PeterM> on
2015-12-16T22:26:16 < PeterM> people on
2015-12-16T22:26:24 < PeterM> horses
2015-12-16T22:26:35 < kakimir> you have your of piper cub to commute?
2015-12-16T22:26:47 < kakimir> with tundra tires
2015-12-16T22:27:01 < upgrdman> no cubs. fly a yak54 instead.
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2015-12-16T22:27:40 < kakimir> yak54 looks like it sips fuel pretty well
2015-12-16T22:27:50 < kakimir> star engines are like that
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2015-12-16T22:28:10 < PeterM> nah, i drive a f6 typhoon ("ute")
2015-12-16T22:28:30 < kakimir> piper cub is fukin piece of cloth binded into shape of plane and have engine to it
2015-12-16T22:29:09 < kakimir> cant get any better
2015-12-16T22:29:30 < PeterM> what if you have a load to carry?
2015-12-16T22:29:49 < upgrdman> strap it to the bike rack on the roof? ;)
2015-12-16T22:30:02 < PeterM> >.>
2015-12-16T22:31:02 < PeterM> i dont think a yak or a cub have anywhere to put a load - esp the yak, its barely got room for people
2015-12-16T22:31:17 < upgrdman> ya. its for aero competitions.
2015-12-16T22:31:22 < upgrdman> not your daily commute :)
2015-12-16T22:31:31 < ReadError> I wouldnt mind a carboncub
2015-12-16T22:31:48 < ReadError> ill get one once i retire and become a bush pilot
2015-12-16T22:33:37 < PeterM> i'll jsut get a nice relaxing comfy sedan instead, like an m5 or something
2015-12-16T22:34:40 < ReadError> upgrdman, got a lameinator
2015-12-16T22:34:55 < ReadError> where can i get good photoresist film supply domestic?
2015-12-16T22:34:59 < upgrdman> cool. what for? you gonna do soldermasks like me?
2015-12-16T22:35:05 < upgrdman> i buy from ebay
2015-12-16T22:35:10 < upgrdman> "dry film solder mask"
2015-12-16T22:35:11 < ReadError> china?
2015-12-16T22:35:20 < upgrdman> no. some guy in san diego california
2015-12-16T22:35:29 < ReadError> I want to try doing the soldermask -> shim stock -> stencil
2015-12-16T22:35:34 < upgrdman> i get the package in like 48 hours. (i also live in so cal)
2015-12-16T22:35:35 < ReadError> is it negative or positive ?
2015-12-16T22:35:46 < upgrdman> light strengthens it.
2015-12-16T22:35:51 < upgrdman> so uh, whatever that is :)
2015-12-16T22:36:12 < upgrdman> ReadError, my notes are here:
2015-12-16T22:36:26 < upgrdman> http://farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-01-17_DIY_PCBs_with_Solder_Mask/
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2015-12-16T22:38:24 < kakimir> you land that cub to bike rack
2015-12-16T22:38:43 < kakimir> no need to sweat
2015-12-16T22:39:20 < ReadError> the bake helps a bunch?
2015-12-16T22:39:26 < ReadError> the liquid is a huge PITA
2015-12-16T22:39:31 < ReadError> impossible to get even, figure I try this
2015-12-16T22:39:43 < upgrdman> ReadError, yes, you MUST bake
2015-12-16T22:40:05 < upgrdman> if you don't, the film is easily scratched. fingernail can scratch it off
2015-12-16T22:40:06 < ReadError> cool no worries, got a toaster oven in a box i havent used just for this
2015-12-16T22:40:18 < ReadError> is it hard like a real chinafab after?
2015-12-16T22:40:18 < upgrdman> ya. i use a $10 toaster over for it too
2015-12-16T22:40:29 < upgrdman> yes. looks and feels like the real deal.
2015-12-16T22:40:52 < ReadError> imagine if i cared, silk would even be doable
2015-12-16T22:40:59 < ReadError> but thats getting to the point of too much effort
2015-12-16T22:41:07 < upgrdman> my thoughts exactly.
2015-12-16T22:41:13 < BrainDamage> you can even do trough hole metalization
2015-12-16T22:41:16 < upgrdman> i dont even bother with solder mask most of the time.
2015-12-16T22:41:25 < ReadError> BrainDamage, read up on that
2015-12-16T22:41:28 < upgrdman> but its nice to be able to do it for one offs that you want to last
2015-12-16T22:41:30 < ReadError> seems super messy
2015-12-16T22:41:34 < ReadError> tons of chemicals
2015-12-16T22:41:36 < BrainDamage> i didn't do the chemical deposition
2015-12-16T22:41:42 < ReadError> how did you do it?
2015-12-16T22:41:47 < BrainDamage> before chinafab, i used to use copper rivets punched with a manual center punch
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2015-12-16T22:41:57 < ReadError> oh, thats cheating ;)
2015-12-16T22:41:57 < BrainDamage> one side was perfectly flush, the other a bit less
2015-12-16T22:42:20 < ReadError> if i do another 2 sided I am going to predrill
2015-12-16T22:42:29 < BrainDamage> the only annoying part is that it doesn't scale
2015-12-16T22:42:34 < ReadError> to help with alignment
2015-12-16T22:42:35 < Rob235> anyone here vape?
2015-12-16T22:42:38 < BrainDamage> you have to do one by one
2015-12-16T22:42:45 < ReadError> Rob235, drugs?
2015-12-16T22:42:54 < BrainDamage> so kakmir would be in hell
2015-12-16T22:42:55 < Rob235> ejuice (just nicotine)
2015-12-16T22:43:09 < ReadError> BrainDamage, haha
2015-12-16T22:43:17 < PeterM> nicotine sounds like a drug to me
2015-12-16T22:43:23 < ReadError> Rob235, i dabble in a bit of both
2015-12-16T22:43:31 < ReadError> lil wax lil juice
2015-12-16T22:44:00 < Rob235> you use temperature control?
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2015-12-16T22:44:26 < Rob235> just got a new vape, it can handle temperature control coils but wanted to know how they are
2015-12-16T22:46:35 < Laurenceb> is there such a thing as waterproof DA-15 connectors?
2015-12-16T22:46:55 < Laurenceb> http://www.amazon.com/L-com-IP67-Waterproof-DA-15-Solder/dp/B000AA85AM
2015-12-16T22:46:58 < Laurenceb> ignor eme
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2015-12-16T22:47:45 < PeterM> whenever i see "waterproof connector" i think "waterproof enclosure or rabber gasket on normal connectro that is almost useless"
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2015-12-16T22:48:38 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-12-16T22:48:49 < Laurenceb> I need a waterproof ECG datalogger
2015-12-16T22:48:53 < Laurenceb> maybe this already exists
2015-12-16T22:49:05 < ReadError> Rob235 it supports the nickel coil
2015-12-16T22:49:10 < ReadError> but not used, have some here
2015-12-16T22:49:32 < Laurenceb> http://www.atriummeditech.com/images/product/11869clip.jpg
2015-12-16T22:49:36 < Laurenceb> connecting to one of those
2015-12-16T22:49:44 < Rob235> oh ok.  what mod do you have? I got the sigelei 150w TC and smok TFV4 tank
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2015-12-16T22:50:30 < ReadError> iPV 4S
2015-12-16T22:51:29 < Rob235> nice, i like the look of that one
2015-12-16T22:51:45 < ReadError> batts last forever
2015-12-16T22:51:46 < ReadError> uses 2
2015-12-16T22:52:09 < Rob235> i dont know how big it is but the sigelei is a monster.  wasn't really expecting it but now that I've used it for a day I'm pretty used to it
2015-12-16T22:52:47 < ReadError> for wax i made some SS wick
2015-12-16T22:52:58 < ReadError> and just wrapped kanthal around it
2015-12-16T22:53:51 < Rob235> interesting, havent heard of that before.  you need a special tank for it? or I guess that would just be for an rba?
2015-12-16T22:54:16 < ReadError> just use one of those dripper RBA
2015-12-16T22:54:28 < ReadError> flash it a few times
2015-12-16T22:54:30 < Rob235> and it works well? what kind of wax
2015-12-16T22:54:37 < ReadError> put a dab on so it melts but not vapes
2015-12-16T22:54:45 < ReadError> cover it back up then rip
2015-12-16T22:55:42 < Rob235> what ohm coil and what volt/wattage
2015-12-16T22:56:13 < ReadError> 1.1R @ 20W
2015-12-16T22:56:19 < ReadError> dont need nearly that much though
2015-12-16T22:57:30 < Rob235> works with any wax? ahh your mod is the same size as mine.
2015-12-16T22:57:56 < ReadError> nah i use the itaste svd 2.0 for the wax
2015-12-16T22:58:26 < Rob235> yea at that low wattage I'm sure it doesn't matter what you use for it
2015-12-16T22:58:49 < Rob235> last question (I think) what gauge kanthal?
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2015-12-16T23:06:29 < ReadError> hmm I think this was some 28
2015-12-16T23:06:46 < ReadError> you dont need a bunch of power for wax
2015-12-16T23:06:51 < ReadError> it vapors pretty low
2015-12-16T23:07:02 < Rob235> ok, thanks for the info.  I'll have to try it sometime
2015-12-16T23:43:17 < upgrdman> any DOS pros awake? if i boot a pc with an empty hdd, and i use a dos boot disk, how can i switch floppy disks? if i switch them, dos can no longer work because the boot disk is gone. is there a way to copy dos to ram or someshit?
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2015-12-16T23:47:31 < Rob235> I don't feel like reading but a quick google search came up with this: https://books.google.com/books?id=u7oN-5y7nGsC&pg=PA175&lpg=PA175&dq=load+dos+into+ram+to+change+disks&source=bl&ots=j5n3-HOsmZ&sig=TaTwMeD3xXJDiIN1BgINGms_-vw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYktq8reHJAhWBwhoKHVGsAEEQ6AEIJDAB#v=onepage&q=load%20dos%20into%20ram%20to%20change%20disks&f=false
2015-12-16T23:47:37 < Rob235> whoa long link
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2015-12-17T00:15:08 < kakimir> I need makeshift wax for composite molds. any ideas?
2015-12-17T00:19:24 < kakimir> just candle wax maybe
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2015-12-17T00:39:17 < upgrdman> ear wax
2015-12-17T00:39:30 < upgrdman> kakimir ^
2015-12-17T00:39:58 < kakimir> I was about to suggest my goo
2015-12-17T00:40:12 < upgrdman> goo?
2015-12-17T00:41:04 < kakimir> nothin
2015-12-17T00:41:13 < upgrdman> man sauce?
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2015-12-17T00:53:47 < Getty> yeah San Andreas is really setting a new top marker for disaster movies ;)
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2015-12-17T00:55:15 < kakimir> Paraffin waxes and Hydrocarbon waxes,
2015-12-17T00:55:17 < kakimir> oxidized, lithium salts
2015-12-17T00:55:45 < kakimir> petrolium distillates
2015-12-17T00:56:08 < BrainDamage> frog's eyes and tarantula spiderwebs
2015-12-17T00:56:19 < kakimir> naphtaline
2015-12-17T00:56:36 < kakimir> sounds cancer
2015-12-17T00:56:37 < Getty> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezO_Vmqhgg
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2015-12-17T01:00:01 < upgrdman> are there any extensions or replacement windows managers for windows 10 that let you do nice things like set a window to be always-on-top, or adjust the transparency of a window, etc?
2015-12-17T01:00:17 < Getty> does GhostIt not work anymore?
2015-12-17T01:00:27 < Getty> dont tell me you dont know ghostit
2015-12-17T01:00:32 < kakimir> stay on top would be super nice
2015-12-17T01:00:41 < Getty> GhostIt!
2015-12-17T01:00:54 < Getty> And I dont get paid by GhostIt to say GhostIt
2015-12-17T01:00:55 < Getty> ;-)
2015-12-17T01:01:13 < upgrdman> does ghostit also let you do always-on-top?
2015-12-17T01:01:26 < Getty> yes normally always on top and transparency
2015-12-17T01:01:27 < upgrdman> screenshot is so lol. aol instant messenger. totally 90's software.
2015-12-17T01:01:33 < Getty> LOL ;)
2015-12-17T01:01:36 < Getty> yeah its an old software
2015-12-17T01:01:40 < Getty> no idea if it still works on windows 10
2015-12-17T01:01:53 < Getty> but it uses the raw windows API so it was always compatible with all versions before
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2015-12-17T01:35:10 < Getty> the CGI of San Andreas must have cost A LOT.......
2015-12-17T01:35:21 < mitrax> don't tell me you're watching that crap
2015-12-17T01:35:27 < Getty> i do, why?
2015-12-17T01:35:36 < mitrax> oh please it's awful
2015-12-17T01:35:47 < Getty> ah come on, its entertaining
2015-12-17T01:35:51 < mitrax> no it's not
2015-12-17T01:35:53 < Getty> far better as 2012
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2015-12-17T01:36:35 < Getty> whats so bad about it for you? i just get crazy on those eyes of the girl
2015-12-17T01:37:26 < mitrax> everything, 5 min into the movie and you see it's garbage already... with the girl rescue... and the "tip the hat" move
2015-12-17T01:37:55 < Getty> ah come on, seriously, that annoys you?
2015-12-17T01:39:17 < mitrax> very much... i'm ok to suspend my disbelief, but when characters act in a way that is completed retarded that makes the movie not enjoyable for me
2015-12-17T01:39:43 < Getty> i dont see much retarded actions
2015-12-17T01:39:44 < mitrax> first the move is completely unrealistic, second, why would a pilot risk the lives of everybody on board
2015-12-17T01:39:48 < Getty> thats why i actually enjoy the ride a bit
2015-12-17T01:39:57 < Getty> it is a bit unrealistic how they go from air to car to ship and so on
2015-12-17T01:40:07 < Getty> cause its THE FUCKING ROCK!
2015-12-17T01:40:15 < mitrax> and the cheesy scenario ...
2015-12-17T01:40:16 < Getty> he never actually risked anybody
2015-12-17T01:40:21 < Getty> he is a professional! dude! ;)
2015-12-17T01:40:48 < Getty> that movie CRIES for a cheesy scenario, what else you should do when you have just like 15-20 minutes of real human interactions and the rest just destruction?
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2015-12-17T01:41:26 < mitrax> they divorce because of their dead daughter, you know... she finds another man but of course, he's a fucking coward who will escape and leave the other daughter alone in the car
2015-12-17T01:41:36 < Getty> yeah
2015-12-17T01:41:49 < mitrax> and he's soooo bad he will kill someone to save his skin later on in the movie
2015-12-17T01:42:01 < Getty> yeah
2015-12-17T01:42:06 < Getty> totally cheesy :)
2015-12-17T01:42:13 < mitrax> that's insulting to the viewers imo
2015-12-17T01:42:15 < Getty> its a disaster movie
2015-12-17T01:42:17 < Getty> you saw vulcano?
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2015-12-17T01:42:45 < Getty> where the building collapse and the hero just had to jump towards the person in danger and drop her down
2015-12-17T01:42:56 < mitrax> you can make a disaster movie without dumbing down everything
2015-12-17T01:43:01 < Getty> cause that 1 meter has for sure now saved her
2015-12-17T01:43:11 < mitrax> havent seen it no
2015-12-17T01:43:11 < Getty> yeah but san andreas is for sure doing well, i have seen way way way worst
2015-12-17T01:43:20 < Getty> you should see vulcano
2015-12-17T01:43:27 < Getty> and then come back and complain about san andreas ;)
2015-12-17T01:43:45 < Getty> it is hard to get REALLY good disaster movies
2015-12-17T01:43:51 < kakimir> disaster movies like san andreas is where shittiness of hollywood culminates
2015-12-17T01:44:05 < Getty> Twister was one in my eyes, still cheesy but at least not totally weirdo
2015-12-17T01:44:09 < Getty> hehehe
2015-12-17T01:44:16 < Getty> entertainment! Show must go on!
2015-12-17T01:44:20 < mitrax> well it's not because a turd tastes worse than another turd that i'll eat the latter with a spoon and enjoy it
2015-12-17T01:44:26 < Getty> HEHEHHEHE
2015-12-17T01:44:34 < Getty> then dont watch movies ;)
2015-12-17T01:44:38 < kakimir> make million dollar cgi scene and sell it with hype ad where everything fucking explodes
2015-12-17T01:44:45 < Getty> \o/
2015-12-17T01:44:52 < kakimir> and call it movie
2015-12-17T01:45:05 < mitrax> that's what angers me the most, that those movies cost hundreds of millions
2015-12-17T01:45:07 < mitrax> and they're shit
2015-12-17T01:45:13 < Getty> Jurassic World....... that was a disgrace
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2015-12-17T01:45:41 < Getty> i just rewatched yesterday jurassic park II and III
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2015-12-17T01:45:47 < Getty> and realized that BOTH are way better as Jurassic World
2015-12-17T01:46:07 < kakimir> I had nightmares for 2years as a kid
2015-12-17T01:46:13 < Getty> hahahhaha
2015-12-17T01:46:24 < kakimir> I went alone with my friend to cinema
2015-12-17T01:46:30 < kakimir> there was nobody else
2015-12-17T01:47:00 < mitrax> i also love how the daughter looks NOTHING like her father
2015-12-17T01:47:18 < kakimir> and my popcorns fell to all over the floor
2015-12-17T01:47:35 < kakimir> as I tried not to pee myself
2015-12-17T01:47:41 < mitrax> i mean... you'd expect her to inherit some latino (or whatever the rock is) traits
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2015-12-17T01:50:14 < kakimir> was the child 100% aryan master race?
2015-12-17T01:51:24 < Getty> mitrax: yeah her eyes are just scaring the shit out of me
2015-12-17T01:51:45 < Getty> like she is some kind of demon, in ancient times we would have burned her as witch!
2015-12-17T01:52:07 < mitrax> kakimir: she wasn't blond, http://fotonin.com/data_images/out/40/1107172-alexandra-daddario.jpg
2015-12-17T01:52:10 < mitrax> at least
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2015-12-17T01:52:24 < Getty> AAAAHHHH those eyes again
2015-12-17T01:52:42 < mitrax> her "dad" http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/i/streams/2014/July/140722/1D274906418284-140722-rock-instagram.jpg
2015-12-17T01:53:17 < kakimir> those eyes
2015-12-17T01:56:28 < Getty> "and now?" - "we build up something new"
2015-12-17T01:56:29 < Getty> classic
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2015-12-17T01:58:10 < mitrax> i fast forwarded to the end about 3/4 through the movie it was too painful to watch
2015-12-17T01:58:46 < mitrax> thought it couldn't get worse, but it did
2015-12-17T01:59:31 < mitrax> the daughter ends up underwater, just like her sister, and daddy has to rescue her... will he succeed this time?!...
2015-12-17T01:59:51 < BrainDamage> why are you even trying
2015-12-17T02:00:23 < BrainDamage> it's like smashing your testicles with the rock and especting a different result everytime
2015-12-17T02:00:28 < mitrax> ahahah
2015-12-17T02:01:18 < kakimir> fuque mate star wars - is it out?
2015-12-17T02:01:32 < kakimir> we planned to see it
2015-12-17T02:02:13 < BrainDamage> it's almost as if you could easily get this information out the intertubes http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
2015-12-17T02:02:41 < BrainDamage> also damn those ratings
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2015-12-17T02:16:05 < mitrax> bed time
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2015-12-17T02:21:08 < dongs> hmm
2015-12-17T02:21:19 < dongs> crossworks has a "limited code size" version now
2015-12-17T02:21:19 < dongs> lols
2015-12-17T02:22:02 < dongs> However the CrossWorks for ARM evaluation can now be downloaded and and used for an unlimited time but with a code size limit of 16KB or it can be activated to allow evalaution of the full version for 30 days.
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2015-12-17T02:29:21 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0IlJc_vkZ0 musics spam
2015-12-17T02:29:44 < emeb> dongs: PAM8301 working - such loud, very gain, wow.
2015-12-17T02:29:50 < dongs> lol
2015-12-17T02:29:52 < dongs> indeed
2015-12-17T02:30:00 < dongs> i had to like 1/4 the dac outputs
2015-12-17T02:30:07 < dongs> and it was still almost clipping
2015-12-17T02:30:15 < emeb> I put a 100k resistor in the path to the amp input
2015-12-17T02:30:21 < emeb> still very loud
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2015-12-17T02:35:48 < ds2> hmmm
2015-12-17T02:36:04 < ds2> stupid GUI's
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2015-12-17T02:43:34 < emeb> ds2: make it smarter!
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2015-12-17T02:58:38 < emeb> noise maker -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/1216151756.jpg
2015-12-17T02:58:56 < dongs> nice
2015-12-17T02:58:58 < dongs> where's samplez
2015-12-17T02:59:09 < dongs> is that a  eurorack card or wahevers ized thing
2015-12-17T02:59:13 < dongs> sized
2015-12-17T02:59:14 < emeb> Nah
2015-12-17T02:59:19 < emeb> just fuckin' around.
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2015-12-17T02:59:29 < emeb> might mount it inside a speaker box.
2015-12-17T02:59:35 < dongs> tssop20 F0?
2015-12-17T02:59:40 < emeb> F042
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2015-12-17T02:59:52 < emeb> + PT8211 I2S DAC
2015-12-17T02:59:56 < dongs> are pots actual pots or encoders
2015-12-17T03:00:03 < emeb> Pots to ADC
2015-12-17T03:00:21 < emeb> right now it's just a pink noise generator with one pot controlling loudness.
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2015-12-17T03:00:37 < dongs> gotta need thsoe DSPs better hope they make F7 in tsop20
2015-12-17T03:00:50 < emeb> hrhr
2015-12-17T03:00:58 < emeb> M0 is plenty for this app.
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2015-12-17T03:34:04 < ds2> is there a high end F4 that includes OpenGL support?
2015-12-17T03:34:10 < dongs> lol..
2015-12-17T03:34:28 < dongs> attn Laurenceb http://venturebeat.com/2015/12/16/castar-will-return-1m-in-kickstarter-money-and-postpone-augmented-reality-glasses-shipments/
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2015-12-17T03:40:47 < dongs> another successful jeri project (tm0
2015-12-17T03:40:49 < dongs> another successful jeri project (tm)
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2015-12-17T03:41:33 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-12-17T03:41:52 < Laurenceb> I was semi surprised that they seemed to have made something
2015-12-17T03:42:05  * Laurenceb is designing ECG horse saddle with bluetooth and gps
2015-12-17T03:42:09 < dongs> https://youtu.be/9JnjOb4Qu0k?t=41 holy shit MAKE
2015-12-17T03:42:25 < dongs> yeah just CLIP BOTH BATTERY WIRES
2015-12-17T03:42:41 < Laurenceb> http://www.medisave.co.uk/spacelabs-cardiocall-ecg-recorder.html?gclid=CNj6upLi4ckCFQbnwgodgOIB6A#fo_c=528&fo_k=500d564d59defbf42b64c1060ae7d10e&fo_s=gplauk
2015-12-17T03:42:44 < Laurenceb> bindin
2015-12-17T03:42:49 < Laurenceb> lol @ price
2015-12-17T03:43:22 < Laurenceb> going for IP67, but case is going to be huge
2015-12-17T03:43:31 < Sync_> medical device = pro assraep
2015-12-17T03:43:51 < Laurenceb> I like the black nail polish
2015-12-17T03:43:57 < Laurenceb> looks like die cis scum
2015-12-17T03:44:47 < Laurenceb> going to use this http://www.hammondmfg.com/pdf/1555FF17.pdf
2015-12-17T03:44:50 < Laurenceb> in b4 lulz
2015-12-17T03:45:03 < Sync_> "bot"
2015-12-17T03:45:15 < Sync_> why not, hammond are nice
2015-12-17T03:45:29 < Sync_> they will also machine your cases for very reasonable prices
2015-12-17T03:46:40 < Laurenceb> yeah I'll stick some indicator LEDs in the top  - well light pipes
2015-12-17T03:47:03 < Laurenceb> need to fit an IP67 DA-15 into it tho :-/
2015-12-17T03:47:06 < dongs> Laurenceb: status of laughing at castar
2015-12-17T03:47:12 < dongs> do you think they're gonna piss away 15mil in VC too
2015-12-17T03:47:14 < dongs> and deliver nothing
2015-12-17T03:47:17 < dongs> but won't refund this time
2015-12-17T03:47:40 < Laurenceb> haven't they shipped yet?
2015-12-17T03:47:44 < Laurenceb> thought I saw stuff
2015-12-17T03:47:51 < dongs> nah they shipped some gimped 'early devkits'
2015-12-17T03:47:55 < dongs> nothing usable was shipped
2015-12-17T03:47:59 < Laurenceb> lol
2015-12-17T03:48:16 < Sync_> kekkers
2015-12-17T03:48:32 < dongs> http://castar.com/kickstarter-faq/
2015-12-17T03:48:34 < dongs> lots of lols here
2015-12-17T03:48:39 < dongs> Q: What information can Backers expect from here on out?
2015-12-17T03:48:39 < dongs> A: Backers can expect official product information and plans as we are ready and able to communicate them. The difference will be that we can no longer provide an advance and detailed inside look at our technical and development process.
2015-12-17T03:48:40 < Laurenceb> wow ublox 8 can do 20hz with gps
2015-12-17T03:48:44 < Laurenceb> this is going to be epic
2015-12-17T03:48:57 < Laurenceb> like points every meter during horse races
2015-12-17T03:49:56 < Laurenceb> but work project so perman00b guy will write the GUI in labview
2015-12-17T03:50:00 < Sync_> > 20Hz
2015-12-17T03:50:06 < Sync_> 100Hz is where it is at
2015-12-17T03:50:29 < Sync_> there are korean (?) 50Hz chipsets tho
2015-12-17T03:50:40 < Sync_> but nobody else than some guy on tindie sells them
2015-12-17T03:50:51 < Sync_> in reasonable moqs
2015-12-17T03:50:52 < dongs> link?
2015-12-17T03:50:57 < Laurenceb> probably too noisy
2015-12-17T03:51:17 < Sync_> https://www.tindie.com/products/smokingresistor/venus838flpx-gps-breakout-board/
2015-12-17T03:51:22 < Sync_> well
2015-12-17T03:51:24 < dongs> oh venus
2015-12-17T03:51:25 < dongs> fuck off
2015-12-17T03:51:31 < dongs> nobody uses that shit for a reason
2015-12-17T03:51:36 < Sync_> they are not the best, yeah
2015-12-17T03:51:57 < Laurenceb> lol venus is mega noisey
2015-12-17T03:51:59 < Laurenceb> oh wait
2015-12-17T03:52:11 < Laurenceb> #highaltitude did some experiments, its not 50hz
2015-12-17T03:52:18 < Laurenceb> its 5hz with delay and interpolation
2015-12-17T03:52:50 < Laurenceb> you got punked
2015-12-17T03:53:02 < Sync_> well it outputs 50Hz so :P
2015-12-17T03:53:24 < dongs> ownt
2015-12-17T03:53:26 < dongs> fucking shitware
2015-12-17T03:53:49 < Sync_> yeah, I had tested them as well
2015-12-17T03:54:05 < Sync_> but the ublox are great Laurenceb
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2015-12-17T03:56:39 < Laurenceb> ublox 6 you could see my footsteps in the velocity ripple
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2015-12-17T03:56:53 < Laurenceb> so its pretty damn good
2015-12-17T03:58:34 < Laurenceb> lol the Castar video at 0:13
2015-12-17T03:58:40 < Laurenceb> it can't do that
2015-12-17T03:58:55 < dongs> which one
2015-12-17T03:58:58 < dongs> link
2015-12-17T03:59:04 < Laurenceb> and 0:51
2015-12-17T03:59:12 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hL1qT0TK6aw#t=50
2015-12-17T03:59:53 < Laurenceb> also nobody watching pron
2015-12-17T03:59:59 < Laurenceb> obvious application
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2015-12-17T04:03:49 < Laurenceb> http://1u88jj3r4db2x4txp44yqfj1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/castar-ar-2.jpg
2015-12-17T04:03:52 < Laurenceb> WUT
2015-12-17T04:03:56 < ds2> couldn't you just interpolate with inertial sensors to bring up the rate ?
2015-12-17T04:04:32 < Laurenceb> ds2: yes you can
2015-12-17T04:05:03 < Laurenceb> but the GPS is going to low pass filter stuff, so integrating slow GPS into an IMU gives poor results
2015-12-17T04:05:15 < ds2> why's that?
2015-12-17T04:05:35 < Laurenceb> because your measurement model is unlikely to be accurate
2015-12-17T04:05:36 < ds2> the IMU would just be generating delta's between fixes
2015-12-17T04:05:47 < Laurenceb> the GPS fixes arent point samples
2015-12-17T04:05:58 < ds2> even over 0.200 seconds?
2015-12-17T04:06:03 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-12-17T04:06:10 < Laurenceb> and they have undertermined lag
2015-12-17T04:06:53 < ds2> in otherwords, the fixed received is for a point some unknown interval in the past?
2015-12-17T04:08:06 < Laurenceb> not really, its a smeared out weighting function
2015-12-17T04:08:29 < Laurenceb> this is why integrated IMU and GPS tracking loop gives the best results
2015-12-17T04:09:04 < Laurenceb> but without that, a faster GPS is better
2015-12-17T04:11:06 < Laurenceb> well yeah, its less likely to loose sats during bursts of noise or fading
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2015-12-17T04:36:27 < Getty> that people still get crazy about "cool stuff" people add to minecraft
2015-12-17T04:37:02 < Getty> its literally "patching" obfuscated java code..... yeah, oh wonder, you can add all things java can do that thing, wow, hey, awesome!
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2015-12-17T04:41:44 < dongs> lol minecrap
2015-12-17T04:41:49 < dongs> probly the only reason JVM is still being devleoped
2015-12-17T04:42:08 < Getty> lol
2015-12-17T04:42:58 < Getty> but hey, as usual, the incompetent ones make the money ;)
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2015-12-17T04:44:13  * jadew never played minecraft
2015-12-17T04:44:24 < jadew> why do people enjoy it?
2015-12-17T04:44:34 < jadew> what's the attraction?
2015-12-17T04:44:36 < aandrew> it is a fun way to waste some time
2015-12-17T04:44:39 < Getty> creating things
2015-12-17T04:44:41 < aandrew> sandboxing really
2015-12-17T04:44:45 < Getty> yeah
2015-12-17T04:44:48 < aandrew> do whatever
2015-12-17T04:44:51 < Getty> like
2015-12-17T04:44:57 < Getty> you know in the past when a game had an editor
2015-12-17T04:44:59 < jadew> do you fight someone?
2015-12-17T04:45:03 < Getty> now the game is the editor ;)
2015-12-17T04:45:04 < jadew> yeah
2015-12-17T04:45:14 < Getty> its like oyu modify the world
2015-12-17T04:45:15 < aandrew> my 6yo loves the ipad version, he builds pirate ships and lava mountains and particuarly likes making huge piles of pigs explode with tnt
2015-12-17T04:45:18 < Getty> that is making the deal
2015-12-17T04:45:36 < jadew> I might check it out
2015-12-17T04:45:54 < jadew> when I'll get bored of kicking ass in worms
2015-12-17T04:45:57 < jadew> speaking of which...
2015-12-17T04:50:01 < Getty> jadew: dont check it out
2015-12-17T04:50:17 < jadew> skyrim is cool
2015-12-17T04:50:17 < Getty> jadew: totally not worth it, especially right now
2015-12-17T04:50:23 < Getty> jadew: all kind of successorgames
2015-12-17T04:50:25 < Getty> Ark
2015-12-17T04:50:25 < jadew> with the nude stuff
2015-12-17T04:50:27 < Getty> i can just suggest Ark
2015-12-17T04:50:31 < Getty> if you want a crazy awesome sandbox
2015-12-17T04:50:44 < jadew> R2COM, because that's why I bought it
2015-12-17T04:50:44 < Getty> Ark single player is probably the best time sink you can make for yourself
2015-12-17T04:51:00 < Getty> ark online might be a bit emotional stressful.............
2015-12-17T04:51:21 < Getty> see Ark in there
2015-12-17T04:51:31 < Getty> atually the only crafting game in there
2015-12-17T04:52:33 < Getty> Garry's Mod is not old? ;)
2015-12-17T04:53:40 < jadew> R2COM, did you get worms reloaded?
2015-12-17T04:53:59 < Getty> you know what is a stressful game? Magic: Battlegrounds
2015-12-17T04:54:10 < Getty> Magic the gathering + realtime
2015-12-17T04:54:20 < jadew> R2COM, let me see if I have it
2015-12-17T04:54:48 < jadew> I have it
2015-12-17T04:55:01 < jadew> wanna play?
2015-12-17T04:55:15 < jadew> don't know
2015-12-17T04:55:17 < jadew> let me install it
2015-12-17T04:55:20 < jadew> never played it
2015-12-17T04:55:29 < jadew> I must have gotten it with a package
2015-12-17T04:55:39 < jadew> no
2015-12-17T04:56:00 < jadew> I think I have most worms versions now
2015-12-17T04:56:28 < jadew> original, armageddon, reloaded, revolution and ultimate mayhem
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2015-12-17T04:57:26 < Getty> i started with my ark clanmate now more active working with the unreal engine :-D
2015-12-17T04:57:44 < jadew> 43%
2015-12-17T04:57:59 < Getty> i have 6 worms
2015-12-17T04:58:12 < Getty> Armageddon / Blast / Crazy Golf / Pinball / Revolution / Ultimate Mayhem
2015-12-17T04:58:32 < Getty> i see i have portal 2.. still never played it
2015-12-17T04:58:33 < jadew> ah, I guess there are more versions than I thought
2015-12-17T04:58:35 < Getty> might be a good xmas idea
2015-12-17T04:58:49 < jadew> I have Portal demo :P
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2015-12-17T04:59:16 < jadew> 85%
2015-12-17T04:59:49 < jadew> I do
2015-12-17T04:59:52 < Getty> i have 113 games
2015-12-17T04:59:53 < jadew> it's installing
2015-12-17T04:59:58 < Getty> i played probably 5%
2015-12-17T04:59:59 < jadew> done
2015-12-17T05:00:01 < jadew> running it now
2015-12-17T05:00:03 < Getty> damn steam!
2015-12-17T05:00:06 < Getty> yeah of course!
2015-12-17T05:00:21 < Getty> whats your nick?
2015-12-17T05:00:47 < Getty> r2com R2 United States or the R2Com with the chinese kid?
2015-12-17T05:01:15 < Getty> with the big fat rocket launcher as picture? ;)
2015-12-17T05:01:28 < Getty> added
2015-12-17T05:01:42 < Getty> do we start now a STM32 steamgroup or what? ;)
2015-12-17T05:02:40 < jadew> I added you too
2015-12-17T05:02:54 < jadew> I change my nickname all the time tho
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2015-12-17T05:03:07 < jadew> the other players hate me
2015-12-17T05:03:28 < Getty> jadew: and whats your name?
2015-12-17T05:03:59 < jadew> Moronic
2015-12-17T05:04:23 < Getty> lol which one ;)
2015-12-17T05:04:57 < jadew> http://steamcommunity.com/id/moronic/
2015-12-17T05:05:20 < Getty> yeah always hard to add those....
2015-12-17T05:05:46 < Getty> no idea how to actually add a specific nickname especially with private profile
2015-12-17T05:06:24 < jadew> ah, you can't hit add?
2015-12-17T05:06:34 < Getty> wait let me check on a logged in
2015-12-17T05:06:42 < Getty> i cant get to that page in the steam client let me get online and see
2015-12-17T05:06:50 < jadew> so how do we play this?
2015-12-17T05:06:57 < jadew> maybe it works from the game
2015-12-17T05:07:21 < Getty> ok!
2015-12-17T05:07:25 < Getty> there was the button now
2015-12-17T05:07:43 < Getty> I am that one http://steamcommunity.com/id/getler btw for the rest ;)
2015-12-17T05:07:50 < Getty> chivalry and ark... only men games
2015-12-17T05:07:59 < Getty> someone here played chivarly?
2015-12-17T05:08:58 < jadew> you do it please
2015-12-17T05:09:10 < kakimir> R2COM: you play insurgency?
2015-12-17T05:09:11 < jadew> I don't know enough about the game yet
2015-12-17T05:09:16 < kakimir> is it any good
2015-12-17T05:10:34 < jadew> R2COM, how do I join?
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2015-12-17T05:39:16 < Getty> so you guys are bombing each other alread?
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2015-12-17T05:41:42 < dongs> It was started as a research project by Valve technologists Jeri Ellsworth and Rick Johnson
2015-12-17T05:41:46 < dongs> technolgists
2015-12-17T05:41:46 < dongs> lol
2015-12-17T05:42:03 < dongs> thats another job title similar to ivan's title
2015-12-17T05:42:21 < dongs> creator and inventor of technology
2015-12-17T05:42:26 < dongs> more like: FUCKING FAGGOT
2015-12-17T05:42:29 < Getty> you should read their article about path prediction and how network gaming works
2015-12-17T05:42:38 < dongs> i dont think i give enough fucks
2015-12-17T05:42:41 < Getty> its like black magic
2015-12-17T05:42:56 < dongs> ellsworth has been lying to cock-stroking nerds for years
2015-12-17T05:43:07 < Getty> the quake people made the visual, valve made the networking
2015-12-17T05:43:19 < dongs> ellsworth opens mouth, nerds start stroking
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2015-12-17T06:09:47 < dongs> sup guise
2015-12-17T06:09:55 < dongs> got a lunix 2015Q4 story 4 u
2015-12-17T06:10:16 < dongs> installed fedora23 in vmware cuz i wanted to compile somethign with mingw32
2015-12-17T06:10:29 < dongs> installed mingw, all is good
2015-12-17T06:10:37 < dongs> compiled the shit I needed to compile, so far so good
2015-12-17T06:10:41 < dongs> lunix not getting in the way
2015-12-17T06:10:47 < dongs> trying to copy the compiled shit to desktop
2015-12-17T06:10:51 < dongs> (windows)
2015-12-17T06:10:57 < dongs> \\lunixip doesnt work
2015-12-17T06:11:06 < dongs> check. find out samba isnt installed
2015-12-17T06:11:16 < dongs> google, find some indian instructions full of sudo fuck this and that
2015-12-17T06:11:31 < dongs> installed. \\lunix now works, can see share. all is good right
2015-12-17T06:11:37 < dongs> nope, cant create or read files in the share
2015-12-17T06:11:52 < dongs> wait, there was an extra step
2015-12-17T06:17:22 < jadew> it wasn't that bad
2015-12-17T06:18:18 < jadew> it's different than reloaded, but the important bits are the same
2015-12-17T06:18:37 < jadew> I don't like that you can't move much with the rope
2015-12-17T06:18:48 < jadew> or maybe it was just because it was a fat worm?
2015-12-17T06:19:55 < dongs> fuck typing all this shit up
2015-12-17T06:20:01 < dongs> so before \\lunix now works, it didnt work
2015-12-17T06:20:06 < dongs> figured: probably firewall, was right
2015-12-17T06:20:09 < dongs> disabfled that
2015-12-17T06:20:14 < dongs> so now back to \\lunix works
2015-12-17T06:20:20 < dongs> cant read/write anything beyond just opening it
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2015-12-17T06:20:24 < dongs> google
2015-12-17T06:20:28 < dongs> found something related t o "selunix"
2015-12-17T06:20:33 < dongs> follow more sudo fuck this and that
2015-12-17T06:20:42 < dongs> worked once, copied some files, stopped working
2015-12-17T06:20:49 < dongs> fuck this,m google how to disable selunix
2015-12-17T06:20:52 < dongs> done, now works.
2015-12-17T06:21:02 < dongs> is this really waht normal users do in 2015?
2015-12-17T06:21:06 < dongs> to get simple filesharing working!?
2015-12-17T06:21:27 < dongs> the fuck does this have to do with stability?
2015-12-17T06:21:33 < dongs> its broken by design
2015-12-17T06:21:40 < dongs> everythign was WORKING AS INTENTED
2015-12-17T06:21:45 < dongs> as in, the intention is that you cant fuckign do anythign
2015-12-17T06:22:00 < dongs> it doesnt matter, the brokenness is fundamental, its not related to version or stability
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2015-12-17T06:22:03 < dongs> its just how they expect you to work
2015-12-17T06:22:58 < jadew> night
2015-12-17T06:23:54 < dongs> lol are you dumb? it would do EXACTLY SAME THING
2015-12-17T06:24:43 < dongs> this is the fucking CORE FEATURE OF LUNIX. selunix enabled + clamped down to absolutely useless
2015-12-17T06:24:54 < dongs> they THINK this is how users want to use shit
2015-12-17T06:26:07 < dongs> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Security-Enhanced_Linux/chap-Security-Enhanced_Linux-Introduction.html#sect-Security-Enhanced_Linux-Introduction-Benefits_of_running_SELinux
2015-12-17T06:26:11 < dongs> its on in rhel too
2015-12-17T06:26:18 < dongs> so the fuck difference would it make
2015-12-17T06:26:23 < dongs> it would do exactly same shit
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2015-12-17T06:28:15 < dongs> im sure windows users and groups shit is equivalent of lunix trash, but point is, i goto compmgmt.msc and add a user, and share files as that user, and shit SIMPLY WORKS
2015-12-17T06:28:26 < dongs> no cryptic buillshit command line garbage, no faggoting around wiht undocumented shit
2015-12-17T06:28:34 < dongs> i dont need to turn off entire windows security model to share a fucking file
2015-12-17T06:28:48 < ReadError> windows file sharing is garbage anyways
2015-12-17T06:29:03 < dongs> shut the fuck up stoner
2015-12-17T06:29:22 < ReadError> remember when windows used to freeze every time you accessed one
2015-12-17T06:29:23 < ReadError> hehe
2015-12-17T06:30:05 < dongs> tl;dr fuck lunix
2015-12-17T06:30:08 < dongs> 2015, still garbage
2015-12-17T06:31:29 < upgrdman_> lol  http://imgur.com/nARuqGB
2015-12-17T06:35:33 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/r/WTF/OLburKn
2015-12-17T06:35:36 < ReadError> pretty sure this is japen
2015-12-17T06:38:26 < upgrdman_> i tweeted that yesterday. lol
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2015-12-17T06:45:37 < ReadError> little slow with that bear mace
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2015-12-17T06:47:44 < ReadError> why do russians leave bears chained to poles
2015-12-17T06:48:19 < upgrdman_> R2COM, http://i.imgur.com/w0gyVgq.jpg
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2015-12-17T06:50:03 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/qZK9F6i.jpg
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2015-12-17T06:54:51 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/bgSZYz39.html
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2015-12-17T07:07:36 < bilboquet> hi, if someone can confirm or not. it's about USB peripheral design. in datasheet i can see this shema : http://i.imgur.com/wp8qMrW.jpg
2015-12-17T07:07:51 < bilboquet> no pull up/down for D- and D+, no resistor. this is ok ?
2015-12-17T07:09:52 < bilboquet> I seemed to see in other schema.
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2015-12-17T07:12:55 < bilboquet> and do you think i'd have no problem with  a 2.8V signal ?
2015-12-17T07:13:28 < dongs> bilboquet: it depends which usb core youre connected to
2015-12-17T07:13:33 < dongs> OTG or other one
2015-12-17T07:13:57 < dongs> also, F2/F4 have internal USB pullup resistor thingy cuz you can disconnect usb from firmware.
2015-12-17T07:14:01 < bilboquet> CDC ACM
2015-12-17T07:14:55 < dongs> no
2015-12-17T07:14:59 < dongs> which usb core on F4
2015-12-17T07:15:02 < dongs> there's 2 USB peripherals
2015-12-17T07:15:52 < bilboquet> ? STM32F411 i don't know
2015-12-17T07:16:24 < bilboquet> i search and try to understand
2015-12-17T07:23:08 < bilboquet> dongs, OTG_FS is a core ?
2015-12-17T07:23:28 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-17T07:23:34 < dongs> is that the one you're connecting to?
2015-12-17T07:23:40 < dongs> then you dont need external resistor pullup
2015-12-17T07:24:46 < bilboquet> ok it cool
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2015-12-17T11:09:41 < ReadError> hello makers
2015-12-17T11:10:00 < ReadError> was having trouble jamming my paste through some tiny QFN slots
2015-12-17T11:10:04 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/photos/i-C8GKMcJ/0/O/i-C8GKMcJ.jpg
2015-12-17T11:10:23 < ReadError> suppose something like this would work?
2015-12-17T11:11:22 < jpa-> relatively large risk of shorts, but it kind-of works
2015-12-17T11:11:55 < jpa-> i usually scrape the betweens of the pads with tweezers after such paste application, to make gaps - not sure if it really helps any
2015-12-17T11:13:10 < ReadError> was having trouble with the paste just sticking to the aperature
2015-12-17T11:13:23 < ReadError> and coming up when removing the stencil
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2015-12-17T11:51:10 < bloated> moar flux solves all problems
2015-12-17T11:58:57 < ReadError> hm? saying mix flux in with paste before stencil?
2015-12-17T11:59:47 < ReadError> this paste is thicker than what ive used before, but doesnt slump as bad
2015-12-17T12:00:31 < jpa-> in real stencils, the hole edges are polished for this reason
2015-12-17T12:04:59 < BrainDamage> you could try acetone vapors to slightly etch the edges to a smooth surface, ofc overdoing it will fuck up your tollerances
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2015-12-17T12:20:26 < ReadError> yea, im thinking if i play with the slot size a bit I might be able to get the right deposition
2015-12-17T12:20:51 < GargantuaSauce> could the paste be too coarse also?
2015-12-17T12:21:08 < ReadError> GargantuaSauce that was one idea too, it maybe too thick
2015-12-17T12:21:47 < ReadError> or ball size, noticed they make different grades
2015-12-17T12:21:57 < GargantuaSauce> yeah ball size is what i meant, i dont know about viscosity
2015-12-17T12:22:30 < jpa-> or flux might have evaporated
2015-12-17T12:22:34 < ReadError> the zeph is great for hand application, but slumps like a mofo really quick
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2015-12-17T13:36:44 < benb_> hi there, is there any chance to access double data rate devices with a stm32f7 and FMC?
2015-12-17T13:37:07 < dongs> you mean like ddr memory? no
2015-12-17T13:37:21 < dongs> it only supports sdr dram
2015-12-17T13:37:44 < jpa-> you'd need an fpga inbetween
2015-12-17T13:37:52 < benb_> it is no a memory but a device (sensor) which needs data at falling and rising edge
2015-12-17T13:37:59 < benb_> s/no/not
2015-12-17T13:38:13 < jpa-> parallel bus or something more spi-like?
2015-12-17T13:38:18 < benb_> 4 bit bus
2015-12-17T13:38:28 < jpa-> maybe QSPI peripheral can do it?
2015-12-17T13:39:05 < dongs> does it need to be fast?
2015-12-17T13:39:16 < dongs> bitbanging it is probably the easiest
2015-12-17T13:39:30 < benb_> sure, that's possible but ugly and too slow I think
2015-12-17T13:39:39 < dongs> yeah but how fast do you expect it to be
2015-12-17T13:39:50 < jpa-> dma bitbang works also
2015-12-17T13:40:16 < dongs> you could use a timer, add a /2 gate on output for clocking, then DMA gpio on each timer tick
2015-12-17T13:40:37 < dongs> or you could probly slave some timers together to do /2 automatically
2015-12-17T13:40:57 < dongs> or use MCO+some timer
2015-12-17T13:41:14 < jpa-> or just bitbang the clock also
2015-12-17T13:41:24 < dongs> well, yeah, but.
2015-12-17T13:41:26 < benb_> sounds like a hacking solutions :)
2015-12-17T13:41:38 < dongs> you need to be in #prostm32 for the pro solutions
2015-12-17T13:41:50 < dongs> (that one is paid per minute of consultation)
2015-12-17T13:41:55 < benb_> ;)
2015-12-17T13:41:57 < __rob> benb_ is it your own board design ?
2015-12-17T13:41:59 < jpa-> if it works, it is good
2015-12-17T13:42:09 < benb_> __rob, yes
2015-12-17T13:42:15 < jpa-> benb_: so what clock speed do you need, and how critical is it of jitter?
2015-12-17T13:42:15 < __rob> stick an ICE40 on there
2015-12-17T13:42:39 < __rob> costs so little and then all your problems with random busses are solved
2015-12-17T13:42:51 < __rob> you can also program it through spi from the stm32
2015-12-17T13:42:58 < benb_> yes, we thought about a FPAG/CPLD
2015-12-17T13:43:00 < dongs> doesn't that need hiring someone who can code hdl?
2015-12-17T13:43:08 < benb_> jpa-, not sure atm
2015-12-17T13:43:09 < __rob> well... if its just sampling data
2015-12-17T13:43:20 < benb_> hdl is no problem
2015-12-17T13:43:28 < __rob> theres existing SPI cores, infact there are bridge examples from lattice
2015-12-17T13:43:39 < __rob> so getting the data back to the stm32 is easy
2015-12-17T13:43:51 < jpa-> dongs: everyone can code hdl ;)
2015-12-17T13:43:56 < dongs> i cant
2015-12-17T13:43:59 < benb_> the moment I've read "double data rate" I thought it is not really possible with the stm32f7
2015-12-17T13:44:04 < jpa-> benb_: well, that's something you need to figure out before you can select a device
2015-12-17T13:44:18 < __rob> benb, well you can trigger an interrupt on both edges
2015-12-17T13:44:27 < __rob> so you could sample a gpio on those times
2015-12-17T13:44:29 < __rob> so it is possible
2015-12-17T13:44:29 < benb_> jpa-, the question was "is it solvable with this MCU (fixed) or do we need an FPAG"
2015-12-17T13:44:42 < jpa-> benb_: and the answer is "it depends on clock rate needs"
2015-12-17T13:44:49 < dongs> benb_: you were given like 5 suggestions how to do it on stm
2015-12-17T13:44:50 < __rob> just not really optimal, and if its fast even more problems
2015-12-17T13:44:57 < jpa-> benb_: i do not see why you are rejecting bitbang (especially dma bitbang)
2015-12-17T13:45:10 < GargantuaSauce> what about a T flipflop on the clock output of the qspi periph?
2015-12-17T13:45:47 < dongs> is this device master? slave? whos clocking it?
2015-12-17T13:45:55 < benb_> the thing is that we also have to control ADCs which sample the data
2015-12-17T13:46:08 < dongs> so?
2015-12-17T13:46:12 < dongs> doesnt sound related
2015-12-17T13:46:22 < dongs> its not like you'd be using 100% cpu to bitbang?
2015-12-17T13:46:36 < jpa-> btw. STM32F7 QUADSPI has DDR support
2015-12-17T13:46:43 < dongs> cool
2015-12-17T13:46:46 < benb_> oh
2015-12-17T13:46:47 < __rob> what is the clock speed benb_ ?
2015-12-17T13:47:10 < jpa-> but if you need synchronized output of other signals, using DMA on a whole GPIO port is probably easier
2015-12-17T13:47:29 < benb_> not sure about the speed but at least some kHz or even more
2015-12-17T13:48:16 < jpa-> with DMA to GPIO you can generally get up to HCLK/10 or so reliably, a bit more if no other load
2015-12-17T13:48:36 < dongs> 'some kHz'
2015-12-17T13:48:39 < dongs> just bitbang it
2015-12-17T13:48:41 < jpa-> so for STM32F7 that would be around 20 MHz
2015-12-17T13:48:42 < dongs> discussion over.
2015-12-17T13:49:02 < benb_> :D
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2015-12-17T13:49:16 < jpa-> yeah, sounds like bitbang is the way to go here - DMA if you need to run other stuff in meanwhile, plain simple bitbang otherwise
2015-12-17T13:49:22 < jpa-> just because it is easy does not mean it is wrong
2015-12-17T13:49:29 < __rob> yea, at that speed its hardly worth putting an fpga on there
2015-12-17T13:49:30 < benb_> there is couple of other load on the MCU (FreeRTOS, Ethernet, bit of "image processing"?)
2015-12-17T13:50:57 < dongs> at "khz" speeds you dont even think about it.
2015-12-17T13:50:58 < __rob> at a few khz, even just sampling on rising & falling interrupt i'm sure would be fine
2015-12-17T13:51:07 < dongs> yeah, just EXTI irq
2015-12-17T13:52:07 < benb_> okay, I'll check if my guess of a few kHz is correct
2015-12-17T13:53:58 < benb_> thanks for your help!
2015-12-17T13:54:16 < benb_> didn't expect so much answers :)
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2015-12-17T14:01:41 < __rob> https://youtu.be/HhzQ_Y-uh5k
2015-12-17T14:01:44 < __rob> lol
2015-12-17T14:01:50 < __rob> its almost the same as the zano video
2015-12-17T14:02:38 < Sync_> onago
2015-12-17T14:02:39 < Sync_> le
2015-12-17T14:02:56 < dongs> lol @ that opening shot
2015-12-17T14:03:06 < dongs> yeah thats done wiht that shitty drone
2015-12-17T14:03:27 < Sync_> I wonder why nobody actually gets a shitty gps follow working
2015-12-17T14:04:08 < __rob> they're actually about to ship it by the looks of things
2015-12-17T14:06:12 < Sync_> dongs: find me a crashed ce9a and ship it to me
2015-12-17T14:06:23 < dongs> wtf is taht
2015-12-17T14:09:43 < Sync_> http://img.favcars.com/mitsubishi/lancer-evolution/mitsubishi_lancer_evolution_1995_photos_1.jpg
2015-12-17T14:11:28 < dongs> o that trash
2015-12-17T14:11:32 < dongs> ricer garbage
2015-12-17T14:11:52 < Sync_> more like rally winning material
2015-12-17T14:12:05 < Sync_> I actually don't need the shell
2015-12-17T14:12:11 < Sync_> just the AWD subframes
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2015-12-17T14:53:40 < dongs> PeterM: do you have link of those chinastoner holders
2015-12-17T14:53:51 < dongs> i fucking imgur'd them but i geuss the dumbshit wasnt logged in
2015-12-17T14:53:52 < dongs> as usual
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2015-12-17T14:58:42 < dongs> nvm found in chats
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2015-12-17T15:22:34 < karlp> l0llercoaster, r2com reocmmending loonix distros...
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2015-12-17T15:31:09 < dongs> ikr
2015-12-17T15:31:15 < dongs> lunix is still awful tho
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2015-12-17T15:52:33 < benb_> okay, data rate is more like >= 25 MHz
2015-12-17T15:52:57 < benb_> at least 25 MHz
2015-12-17T15:55:18 < jpa-> so, assuming you get the data to mcu, can you process it fast enough?
2015-12-17T15:56:09 < karlp> dongs: for reference, in fedora 20+ era, you just press windows key, "shar" and click on the sharing thing, and hit the ticbox that says "share my shit" and click on it again to select folders if you want more detail
2015-12-17T15:56:29 < dongs> karlp: that does some dumb webdav shite
2015-12-17T15:56:34 < karlp> while I turned selinux off (it is teh suck) doing it throug the gui will turn on and off firewall and selinux shit.
2015-12-17T15:56:56 < karlp> also, virtualbox provides it's own sharing shit doesn't it?
2015-12-17T15:57:21 < dongs> vmware bt probably , no idea
2015-12-17T15:57:28 < dongs> anyway its over
2015-12-17T15:57:30 < dongs> the funny thing is
2015-12-17T15:57:36 < dongs> i ended up not needing lunix to build this after all
2015-12-17T15:57:42 < dongs> i fixed up SSE2 build on windows (that was why i wanted ot use gcc)
2015-12-17T15:57:51 < dongs> and windows build is FASTER anyway, than any lunix/mingw32 build.
2015-12-17T15:58:03 < benb_> jpa-, i have to stream it via ethernet but this should not be a problem
2015-12-17T15:58:20 < jpa-> benb_: why not?
2015-12-17T15:58:29 < dongs> ok wtf why is scanf failing on me
2015-12-17T15:58:45 < dongs> scanf("%02hhx", &uint8_t_thing); trashes stack
2015-12-17T15:58:47 < jpa-> benb_: if it is continuous, wouldn't that pretty much max out 100Mbit/s ethernet?
2015-12-17T15:59:39 < benb_> jpa-, we don't have to stream all of the data
2015-12-17T15:59:43 < benb_> afaik
2015-12-17T16:00:28 < jpa-> two hours later: "< benb_> actually it is 125 MHz and we have to stream all the data over fiber-optic"
2015-12-17T16:00:35 < benb_> :D
2015-12-17T16:01:26 < benb_> an other problem is that the ADC must be triggered at a specific time, I guess that's not really easy with a MCU
2015-12-17T16:02:00 < jpa-> timers can output pulses at precise times very easily
2015-12-17T16:02:21 < Getty> it just takes 5 minutes reading the common internet pages to make me aggressive again...... god is the world stupid ;)
2015-12-17T16:02:42 < jpa-> Getty: why do you get angry if you are smart?
2015-12-17T16:02:46 < benb_> jpa-, I guess we have to test it :)
2015-12-17T16:03:02 < jpa-> benb_: nope, you need to design it
2015-12-17T16:03:06 < Getty> jpa-: cause i get aggressive if people are stupid, and cause i am smart A LOT of people look stupid
2015-12-17T16:03:15 < jpa-> benb_: poorly thought out tests tell you nothing
2015-12-17T16:03:53 < jpa-> Getty: so, basically, you are saying that everyones intelligence should be exactly the same? or would you rather be the stupid one?
2015-12-17T16:03:59 < jpa-> i think we can arrange that..
2015-12-17T16:04:07 < mitrax> when using UART in TX mode in can safely ignore ORE / NF / FE / PE errors?
2015-12-17T16:04:10  * jpa- fetches a baseball bat
2015-12-17T16:04:26 < Getty> jpa-: hehehehe, i think more that the people should care more about to learn and checkup what they are gonna say
2015-12-17T16:04:52 < jpa-> Getty: do you assume you never say silly things? or do you simply not remember the time when you knew less?
2015-12-17T16:05:07 < benb_> jpa-, will collect all information first
2015-12-17T16:05:11 < Getty> jpa-: like, you dont say "WOW SEE, YOU CAN COMBINE RTS AND FPS! LOOK AT THIS NEW GAME HERE!!!" when there are already tons of games out who combine those topics, since decades
2015-12-17T16:05:12 < mitrax> or rather, let me reformulate: will one of those error bit set in the status register will prevent the uart from sending?
2015-12-17T16:05:13 < benb_> jpa-, thanks for your help!
2015-12-17T16:05:16 < jpa-> Getty: there is never a point when you know enough that no-one would think you are stupid
2015-12-17T16:05:24 < Getty> jpa-: correct!
2015-12-17T16:05:25 < mitrax> -will
2015-12-17T16:05:30 < Getty> jpa-: some stupidity is always there in the world
2015-12-17T16:05:45 < Getty> jpa-: but right now the stupidity starts to vote, or tries to get president ;)
2015-12-17T16:05:55 < Getty> jpa-: but what is most relevant: the stupidity gets top voted everywhere
2015-12-17T16:06:05 < Getty> jpa-: 10 years ago, i was going into the internet and the top vote was the intelligent one
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2015-12-17T16:06:08 < Getty> NOW this is over
2015-12-17T16:06:20 < jpa-> top vote on the internet maybe, due to the barrier of entry
2015-12-17T16:06:22 < Getty> the majority of the people on the internet are REALLY stupid.... REALLY stupid ;)
2015-12-17T16:06:29 < Getty> yeah
2015-12-17T16:06:30 < zyp> Getty, to be honest, you sound pretty stupid now
2015-12-17T16:06:34 < Getty> in the past you needed brain to get in
2015-12-17T16:06:34 < jpa-> you can seek out more closed sites to live in your small nice bubble
2015-12-17T16:07:07 < jpa-> but 10 years ago (i'd say 20 years ago..), you couldn't really do or find all that much on the internet
2015-12-17T16:07:08 < Getty> jpa-: yeah but that doesn't change the situation i would just not see it ;) hehe
2015-12-17T16:07:17 < jpa-> Getty: so don't look at it?
2015-12-17T16:07:24 < Getty> jpa-: but then its still there? ;)
2015-12-17T16:07:53 < jpa-> Getty: you get disturbed by stupidity "out there", but i don't see you complaining about all the injustice and horror out there in the world?
2015-12-17T16:07:57 < Getty> its also hard to avoid all resources that are related to my job, so i got to "touch" ;) a lot of stupid people
2015-12-17T16:08:07 < Getty> jpa-: that is all the result of that
2015-12-17T16:08:10 < jpa-> nope
2015-12-17T16:08:19 < Getty> jpa-: in the past i complained about the bad world out there and the internet agreed
2015-12-17T16:08:22 < jpa-> a lot of injustice is smart from the point of view of people doing that
2015-12-17T16:08:40 < Getty> jpa-: now i complain about the bad world and the internet is fucking my statements
2015-12-17T16:08:44 < mitrax> reason i'm asking is because on my RS485 driver i connected DE / RE together, so when i enable DE (hence disable RE) the RX line voltage goes low, that's seen as a incoming bit and after 1 sec or so the FE bit is set in the status register
2015-12-17T16:08:47 < Getty> yeah, like americans ;)
2015-12-17T16:08:53 < jpa-> Getty: complaining on the internet is useless anyway :)
2015-12-17T16:09:00 < Getty> jpa-: true
2015-12-17T16:09:12 < Getty> jpa-: but it gives a chance for the stupidones to fix their stupid thinking, else noone tells them
2015-12-17T16:09:26 < jpa-> yeah
2015-12-17T16:09:37 < Getty> jpa-: think about, so many world problems would be solved if we could bend the majority of americans towards what is majority thinking in the world
2015-12-17T16:09:42 < jpa-> maybe you should try to fix yourself so that you don't get annoyed so easily
2015-12-17T16:09:55 < jpa-> Getty: hmm, which problem would be solved?
2015-12-17T16:09:59 < Getty> jpa-: so pumping myself full with stuff that deactivates my brain?
2015-12-17T16:10:08 < Getty> jpa-: nearly all wars? ;-)
2015-12-17T16:10:11 < jpa-> global warming? nope. middle east? nope. finnish national debt? doubt it.
2015-12-17T16:10:26 < GargantuaSauce> i feel stupider just reading getty's messages
2015-12-17T16:10:27 < jpa-> i didn't see europe disagreeing when israel was formed
2015-12-17T16:10:36 < jpa-> GargantuaSauce: get a firewall
2015-12-17T16:10:40 < Getty> as if europe has something to say on that?! ;)
2015-12-17T16:11:04 < jpa-> Getty: which parts of the world do you think are the "rest" if europe doesn't count?
2015-12-17T16:11:35 < jpa-> majority of course would mean that asia gets to decide everything
2015-12-17T16:11:39 < jpa-> not so sure i'd like that either
2015-12-17T16:12:06 < Getty> you do realize that the majority of the world tries to create a balance with their surroundings?
2015-12-17T16:12:09 < Getty> even the chinese
2015-12-17T16:12:13 < Getty> not the americans ;)
2015-12-17T16:12:40 < jpa-> seems like you are not trying to create a balance with the americans either
2015-12-17T16:12:42 < Getty> should i quote matrix now or what? ;)
2015-12-17T16:12:48 < Getty> OH I TRIED!
2015-12-17T16:12:58 < Getty> dont give me that, i worked many years for americans (and still do!)
2015-12-17T16:13:26 < jpa-> ah, you tried it, didn't work, so not possible.
2015-12-17T16:13:31 < Getty> 10 years ago i was a huge fan of america
2015-12-17T16:13:35 < Getty> i tried many many many things
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2015-12-17T16:13:47 < jpa-> being fan is not a part of being at balance
2015-12-17T16:14:09 < Getty> jpa-: correct, i was young, and didnt thought about that in the bigger picture
2015-12-17T16:14:15 < Getty> i thought governments are knowing what they do
2015-12-17T16:14:49 < jpa-> yeah, i think governments nowadays specifically are systems that ensure that nothing gets done properly
2015-12-17T16:15:15 < Getty> at least it TOTALLY looks like, yeah
2015-12-17T16:15:20 < jpa-> not due to stupidity of any one part, but because of just systemic effects
2015-12-17T16:15:26 < Getty> yeah
2015-12-17T16:15:31 < Getty> as i always say: there is no big conspiracy
2015-12-17T16:15:36 < Getty> just A LOT of stupid people
2015-12-17T16:15:58 < jpa-> nah, i don't think a malfunctioning government requires even a single "stupid" person
2015-12-17T16:16:20 < Getty> well you can add up "closed eyes" people ;)
2015-12-17T16:16:29 < Getty> dont know if you want to exclude them from the stupid ones
2015-12-17T16:16:38 < jpa-> and with stupidity being such a relative thing, one might expect governments to function at atleast average person level then
2015-12-17T16:16:53 < Getty> yeah..... expect.... yeah.... ;)
2015-12-17T16:17:08 < jpa-> it seems that you just want to group everyone who you think behaves somehow "wrong" under the label of "stupid people"
2015-12-17T16:17:15 < Getty> no
2015-12-17T16:17:19 < Getty> i actually want to fix it
2015-12-17T16:17:26 < mitrax> Getty: it's dumb to think governments work for the common good, but it's dumber to think it's just plain incompetence
2015-12-17T16:17:28 < Getty> but thats why i am so angry, they dont want someone to fix it
2015-12-17T16:17:41 < jpa-> who is "they"?
2015-12-17T16:18:04 < jpa-> some want it fixed, some don't see the problem, some disagree about how to fix it
2015-12-17T16:18:04 < Getty> mitrax: aehm, most governments are really trying hard to do so....... the common good
2015-12-17T16:18:11 < Getty> jpa-: exactly
2015-12-17T16:18:20 < Getty> jpa-: so worktime, million hours of worktime, are wasted
2015-12-17T16:18:38 < jpa-> if that's correct, where in my list are the people who don't want it fixed?
2015-12-17T16:18:38 < Getty> instead of hiring 1 professional, they hire 50 people who dont know what they do and they say "problem solved!"
2015-12-17T16:18:50 < Getty> take all big internet companies
2015-12-17T16:19:03 < Getty> reddit, imgur, <theoneiworkedforicantofficiallysayisbad>
2015-12-17T16:19:38 < Getty> they do all wrong, and they probably dont even know it, cause the people in their teams who say whats wrong and whats right also dont see the big picture
2015-12-17T16:19:46 < Getty> thats why reddit can be down at all, which is for me not understandable
2015-12-17T16:20:11 < mitrax> Getty: no... most western government work for those that got them elected... and by that i don't mean the people who actually voted
2015-12-17T16:20:39 < Getty> mitrax: i can directly say something against that, even tho its a bit shameful, it is true:
2015-12-17T16:20:44 < jpa-> Getty: if you think that downtime could be avoided, you probably don't really understand the problem - which is usually that problems are hard to predict and plan around
2015-12-17T16:20:59 < Getty> mitrax: our cancellor, the merkel, you probably heard of her, ACTUALLY does all decisions by voting from common people
2015-12-17T16:21:11 < jpa-> Getty: also, it probably does not make business sense for reddit to ensure 100% availability, thus it is not done
2015-12-17T16:21:13 < Getty> jpa-: no, i know how to avoid them, pretty clear
2015-12-17T16:21:24 < jpa-> Getty: which website have you run without any outages?
2015-12-17T16:21:38 < Getty> without any outages per month, you  mean?
2015-12-17T16:21:45 < jpa-> without any outages, ever
2015-12-17T16:22:01 < Getty> well what you mean? google and facebook _never_ went down complete
2015-12-17T16:22:05 < Getty> only partly for specific areas
2015-12-17T16:22:16 < Getty> both _CANT_ get down complete, its technical impossible
2015-12-17T16:22:17 < mitrax> Getty: so you're telling me that in germany every decision Merkel take is being voted by referendum?
2015-12-17T16:22:28 < jpa-> Getty: http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/19/facebook-goes-down-in-global-outage/
2015-12-17T16:22:44 < Getty> mitrax: yes, its secret, so its not a public vote, she hires a company that does some analyzes with random people
2015-12-17T16:22:55 < Getty> jpa-: yeah shit happens always ;)
2015-12-17T16:23:00 < jpa-> Getty: yes.
2015-12-17T16:23:05 < Getty> jpa-: but reddit does it more often
2015-12-17T16:23:08 < jpa-> so?
2015-12-17T16:23:15 < Getty> jpa-: yeah whatever, if you want to excuse it again
2015-12-17T16:23:16 < Getty> then its fine
2015-12-17T16:23:17 < mitrax> Getty: then that's complete bullshit, and not democracy
2015-12-17T16:23:25 < Getty> i say, this site can  be done without problem and less downtimes
2015-12-17T16:23:26 < jpa-> Getty: again you think that everyone should equal the best
2015-12-17T16:23:34 < Getty> they should hire ONE professional
2015-12-17T16:23:41 < Getty> i know how those companies work inside
2015-12-17T16:23:42 < Getty> i worked at one
2015-12-17T16:23:50 < Getty> There is not _ONE_ professional software developer
2015-12-17T16:23:58 < Getty> i _WAS_ the ONE professional software developer
2015-12-17T16:24:10 < Getty> and i left the company cause noone was talking my language (as in, the world "class" was already too much for them)
2015-12-17T16:24:18 < jpa-> seems like you don't work that well together with people, so i wouldn't consider you a particularly great developer
2015-12-17T16:24:36 < mitrax> Getty: you can't compare that with a true referendum...  the fact she's consulting a company that does some polls and supposedly base her decision on that is meaningless
2015-12-17T16:24:37 < Getty> jpa-: ?!?!?!?
2015-12-17T16:24:46 < Getty> jpa-: that is so stupid ;)
2015-12-17T16:24:46 < jpa-> you seem to expect that everyone else should be at or better than your level
2015-12-17T16:24:59 < jpa-> but of course that is impossible
2015-12-17T16:24:59 < Getty> jpa-: so let me get this straight, i _MUST_ be able to work with people who deny any common knowledge of the job area
2015-12-17T16:25:11 < Getty> who EXPLICIT do the wrong decision even tho its explained big and wide why this decision is bad
2015-12-17T16:25:22 < jpa-> yes, that's how this world works
2015-12-17T16:25:25 < Getty> who EXPLICIT say "we dont use external opinions i dont care what all those posts says about my decisions"
2015-12-17T16:25:37 < Getty> yes, and thats stupid
2015-12-17T16:25:39 < Getty> it is not that way in germany
2015-12-17T16:25:55 < jpa-> you want a nice controlled world, but it's not this one
2015-12-17T16:26:06 < Getty> i want a world driven by professionals
2015-12-17T16:26:10 < jpa-> Getty: hmm, in germany they don't abandon nuclear power on a whim?
2015-12-17T16:26:10 < Getty> which we already have
2015-12-17T16:26:14 < jpa-> or wait, they did
2015-12-17T16:26:17 < Getty> you dont go to a random person and say "heal me"
2015-12-17T16:26:29 < Getty> you go to a doctor
2015-12-17T16:26:35 < jpa-> steve jobs did ;)
2015-12-17T16:26:36 < zyp> Getty, isn't that what Hitler wanted too?
2015-12-17T16:26:38 < Getty> so why the hell dont we do the same on software development ;)
2015-12-17T16:26:42 < mitrax> Getty: that would be awful
2015-12-17T16:26:43 < Getty> jpa-: hrhrhrhrhrhrh good one hhrhrhrhr :D
2015-12-17T16:26:59 < Getty> a world driven by professionals?
2015-12-17T16:27:04 < mitrax> Getty: yup
2015-12-17T16:27:07 < Getty> you mean like the world that ayou already have outside the computer?
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2015-12-17T16:27:11 < Getty> like that professionals construct the buildings?
2015-12-17T16:27:18 < Getty> every building you see on the street is made by a professional
2015-12-17T16:27:23 < Getty> cause nonprofessionals are not allowed to make buildings
2015-12-17T16:27:24 < Getty> thats a fact
2015-12-17T16:27:26 < Getty> you are already living it
2015-12-17T16:27:30 < Getty> fact
2015-12-17T16:27:38 < jpa-> Getty: how would you decide who is a professional?
2015-12-17T16:27:43 < Getty> its only that if its about computer, the people say every 15 year old can be a good professional
2015-12-17T16:27:48 < BrainDamage> why are you interacting socially? you're not a professional
2015-12-17T16:27:50 < Getty> jpa-: work experience would be already enough
2015-12-17T16:27:51 < mitrax> Getty: professional in what area? what skills do you need to rule a country?
2015-12-17T16:27:52 < jpa-> i've seen plenty of incompetent developers who have graduated and passed exams
2015-12-17T16:27:56 < BrainDamage> better close the irc tab
2015-12-17T16:28:07 < jpa-> Getty: how do you get work experience if you cannot work without experience?
2015-12-17T16:28:10 < Getty> mitrax: we didnt talked about politicans now but we can switch to that topic ;)
2015-12-17T16:28:13 < jpa-> and failures is a natural way to learn
2015-12-17T16:28:15 < Getty> jpa-: stop
2015-12-17T16:28:18 < Getty> jpa-: that is not what i said
2015-12-17T16:28:23 < Getty> jpa-: if you want to become a professional
2015-12-17T16:28:24 < Getty> what you do?
2015-12-17T16:28:31 < Getty> you work with other professionals and learn from them
2015-12-17T16:28:34 < Getty> thats how it works
2015-12-17T16:28:35 < mitrax> Getty: professional politicians is precisely what's ruining  everything
2015-12-17T16:28:35 < Getty> in all jobs
2015-12-17T16:28:38 < Getty> beside software development ;)
2015-12-17T16:28:49 < mitrax> is/are
2015-12-17T16:28:56 < jpa-> Getty: so it works in software development also
2015-12-17T16:28:57 < Getty> mitrax: there is no "professional politican" ;) that is actually the only job in the world without requirements
2015-12-17T16:29:05 < Getty> jpa-: it doesnt
2015-12-17T16:29:11 < Getty> jpa-: thats now how it is actually implemented
2015-12-17T16:29:20 < Getty> jpa-: i never had this experience outside of germany, which shocked me
2015-12-17T16:29:20 < jpa-> Getty: also, atleast in finland, construction "professionals" make plenty of stupid mistakes also
2015-12-17T16:29:38 < Getty> jpa-: shit doesnt just happen.... its always cause by an asshole ;)
2015-12-17T16:29:53 < jpa-> again you are just applying labels instead of seeking out the reasons
2015-12-17T16:30:02 < Getty> i had the reasns?!!?!?!?
2015-12-17T16:30:07 < Getty> again, i was IN THE MIDDLE of such a company
2015-12-17T16:30:17 < Getty> and the ruleset was just against any professional work
2015-12-17T16:30:30 < Getty> like i was not allowed to tell another employee that he did something wrong
2015-12-17T16:30:34 < Getty> i mean seriously, that was FORBIDDEN
2015-12-17T16:30:44 < jpa-> why do you think your ruleset is the correct one?
2015-12-17T16:30:49 < Getty> i think
2015-12-17T16:30:52 < Getty> if someone does something wrong
2015-12-17T16:30:53 < mitrax> Getty: well over here we've had the same group of politicians playing musical chairs for the last 30 years
2015-12-17T16:30:56 < Getty> i should be allowed to help him make it better
2015-12-17T16:30:58 < Getty> and learn from the mistake
2015-12-17T16:31:03 < Getty> and not put the mistake LIVE
2015-12-17T16:31:06 < Getty> and SEE the crash coming
2015-12-17T16:31:08 < zyp> who decides what's wrong or right?
2015-12-17T16:31:11 < Getty> cause you KNOW that it happens
2015-12-17T16:31:12 < Getty> AEHM
2015-12-17T16:31:13 < Getty> the reality?
2015-12-17T16:31:15 < Getty> the facts?
2015-12-17T16:31:17 < Getty> the results?
2015-12-17T16:31:20 < Getty> its proveable
2015-12-17T16:31:22 < jpa-> so, it was decided at the point it went wrong
2015-12-17T16:31:28 < Getty> liek i prewarned 30< outages of the site
2015-12-17T16:31:32 < jpa-> lessons learned, or not learned
2015-12-17T16:31:34 < Getty> and still they didnt cared for my 31th warning
2015-12-17T16:31:40 < Getty> no lesson learned
2015-12-17T16:31:42 < Getty> nothing
2015-12-17T16:31:44 < Getty> it changed nothing
2015-12-17T16:31:46 < Getty> they dont cared
2015-12-17T16:31:55 < Getty> p.d. all the company were competent 100%
2015-12-17T16:32:04 < jpa-> companies are experiments in evolutionary fashion, just like everything else - some companies have bad rules, and they might die out - or they might succeed despite the shortcomings
2015-12-17T16:32:05 < Getty> and everyone knows what he does and every employee must shut up about it
2015-12-17T16:32:12 < Getty> aehm
2015-12-17T16:32:15 < Getty> thats the next problem
2015-12-17T16:32:20 < Getty> the company could have 0 employee
2015-12-17T16:32:22 < Getty> and still would make income
2015-12-17T16:32:24 < Getty> so....................
2015-12-17T16:32:26 < Getty> its all irrelevant
2015-12-17T16:32:31 < Getty> thats why it works for them
2015-12-17T16:32:38 < Getty> they literally can do nothing and get users
2015-12-17T16:32:56  * mitrax coughs and points at his uart question from earlier
2015-12-17T16:33:07 < zyp> mitrax, what did you ask?
2015-12-17T16:33:16 < zyp> I'm too lazy to look through the history for it
2015-12-17T16:33:28 < jpa-> about ignoring error flags
2015-12-17T16:33:32 < Getty> yeah let us help some electronicans to get PROFESSIONAL ;-)
2015-12-17T16:33:33 < GargantuaSauce> im sorry did you think this was ##stm32? this is ##guymakingeveryonestupider
2015-12-17T16:33:45 < jpa-> mitrax: i can tell it matters for RX, dunno if it matters for tx, check reference manual or test
2015-12-17T16:34:14 < mitrax> zyp: will one of the ORE/NF/FE/PE error bit set in the status register will prevent the uart from sending or can i safely ignore them?
2015-12-17T16:34:23 < mitrax> zyp: will one of the ORE/NF/FE/PE error bit set in the status register prevent the uart from sending or can i safely ignore them?
2015-12-17T16:34:27 < jpa-> Getty: do you have some nice definition for what do you mean with "professional"?
2015-12-17T16:34:44 < Getty> jpa-: like taking in common knowledge of the job area
2015-12-17T16:34:46 < mitrax> zyp: reason i'm asking is because on my RS485 driver i connected DE / RE together, so when i enable DE (hence disable RE) the RX line voltage goes low, that's seen as a incoming bit and after 1 sec or so the FE bit is set in the status register
2015-12-17T16:34:51 < karlp> mitrax, iirc, I turned on internal pullups on rx to fix that
2015-12-17T16:34:58 < zyp> mitrax, I don't think you have to care if you don't handle them anyway
2015-12-17T16:35:05 < Getty> jpa-: you dont reply to "lets organize the code" with "but i like it all in one file", that would be unprofessional
2015-12-17T16:35:16 < karlp> have you got "fail safe" biasing on the a/b lines?
2015-12-17T16:35:22 < zyp> uh, that sounds weird
2015-12-17T16:35:24 < Getty> jpa-: or when you have a testsuite, and it breaks, you dont go to the guy who made the testsuite, that would be unprofessional
2015-12-17T16:35:34 < zyp> I've done RS485 with DE+RE hooked together
2015-12-17T16:35:34 < mitrax> okay
2015-12-17T16:35:38 < karlp> me too
2015-12-17T16:35:38 < zyp> and that just worked
2015-12-17T16:35:49 < jpa-> Getty: seems like arbitrary rules that vary per situation
2015-12-17T16:36:07 < Getty> jpa-: not really....
2015-12-17T16:36:26 < Getty> jpa-: all code in one file is not professional, and blaming the testsuite maker for your breakage of code is also never right
2015-12-17T16:36:27 < mitrax> karlp: ah, no i don't have any biasing but the problem is not on the bus side, it's the RX output of the driver that goes low as i set a high level on the RE pin (RE is active low)
2015-12-17T16:36:39 < Getty> jpa-: you can say you want to ignore the breakage or care for it other way
2015-12-17T16:36:47 < zyp> Getty, take you rant about a bad employer elsewhere, we're not interested
2015-12-17T16:36:48 < Getty> jpa-: but you dont go to the guy who wrote the test
2015-12-17T16:36:59 < jpa-> yeah, maybe i'll just stop responding
2015-12-17T16:37:00 < Getty> zyp: i was asked, i just reply, i dont rant about it, i was asked about it
2015-12-17T16:37:15 < jpa-> i guess i've been triggering Getty enough for today
2015-12-17T16:37:51 < Getty> yeah ;) its ok, some just dont want to understand, thats exactly the point ;)
2015-12-17T16:38:16 < dongs> sup opensores coders
2015-12-17T16:38:59 < ReadError> whats boning boners
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2015-12-17T16:41:38 < mitrax> karlp: internal pull-up on the RX line? i don't have the internal schematics of the ISL83483 i'm using but wouldn't that cause a problem depending on the output stage of the chip?
2015-12-17T16:42:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/hj1w9Ym.jpg wtf hes in jp too
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2015-12-17T16:44:47 < dongs> oh never mind thats broadcast from usa
2015-12-17T16:44:55 < dongs> i dont see any japs in the crowd
2015-12-17T16:45:21 < mitrax> oh nevermind, the output is high-Z when RE is high
2015-12-17T16:46:53 < karlp> mitrax: was using internal puillup on stm32 rx pin on one place at least.
2015-12-17T16:47:01 < karlp> not at work until january though sorry
2015-12-17T16:47:24 < jpa-> karlp: how long xmas vacation do you have in iceland?
2015-12-17T16:47:45 < karlp> officially, from noon on the 24th, plus 25, 26, then 1st
2015-12-17T16:48:02 < karlp> my work closed for the christmas new years break
2015-12-17T16:48:06 < mitrax> karlp: yeah, i was just worried the receiver output was pulled down and not high-z when RE is high, but it's not, so a pull-up will work, thanks a lot
2015-12-17T16:48:08 < karlp> but I'm on paternity leave for all of december
2015-12-17T16:48:15 < jpa-> oh, congrats :)
2015-12-17T16:48:22 < karlp> yah mon, thanks :)
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2015-12-17T16:48:31 < mitrax> i mean activating the internal pull-up
2015-12-17T16:49:24 < mitrax> boy or girl?
2015-12-17T16:49:32 < jpa-> internal pull-ups are usually boys
2015-12-17T16:49:38 < mitrax> ahaha
2015-12-17T16:50:01 < karlp> little girl.  http://tweak.net.au/pics2/2015/December/miscstream/web_2015_12_03-18_52_52--img_1450_jfr.html
2015-12-17T16:50:23 < karlp> or, with her halloween cage fighting outfit on: http://tweak.net.au/pics2/2015/October/miscstream/web_2015_10_31-13_49_52--img_1266_jfr.html
2015-12-17T16:50:24 < mitrax> she's a cutie :)
2015-12-17T16:50:26 < Getty> karlp: and pictures where she is builtin, i see ;)
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2015-12-17T16:50:55 < karlp> or my current favourite, and one I'm proposing as a 500 page image for work when I get back: http://tweak.net.au/pics2/2015/October/miscstream/web_2015_10_08-20_40_06--img_1126_jfr.html
2015-12-17T16:51:07 < karlp> gettty what doyou mean?
2015-12-17T16:52:04 < GargantuaSauce> the professional infant has met getty's approval
2015-12-17T16:52:12 < Getty> hahaha
2015-12-17T16:52:12 < jpa-> not stupid yet
2015-12-17T16:52:21 < Getty> karlp: the "its alive" picture ;)
2015-12-17T16:56:03 < mitrax> karlp: are you in Iceland?
2015-12-17T16:59:38 < Getty> ooooohhhhhh reichelt got news that the raspberry zero delivery got cancelled they expected
2015-12-17T16:59:53 < Getty> so..... no zeros for xmas in germany ;)
2015-12-17T17:00:32 < GargantuaSauce> condemning a whole country to using SoCs that don't suck
2015-12-17T17:00:42 < Getty> hehe
2015-12-17T17:00:54 < jpa-> what will the german professionals do now?
2015-12-17T17:01:23 < Getty> probably make their own zero, time is enough hrhrhrhrhr
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2015-12-17T17:06:51 < mitrax> yup the pull-up fixed it
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2015-12-17T17:37:07 < karlp> mitrax: yaeh, iceland.
2015-12-17T17:46:00 < mitrax> karlp: are you into indy movie making as well or is that another guy? i googled your name out of curiosity and saw an imdb page
2015-12-17T17:46:24 < karlp> then that cunt has been working on his googlejuice
2015-12-17T17:46:32 < mitrax> ahahaha
2015-12-17T17:46:51 < dongs> lo'
2015-12-17T17:46:55 < karlp> how did you find him before me?!
2015-12-17T17:47:17 < karlp> you mean this nobody? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7261750/
2015-12-17T17:47:55 < mitrax> yup
2015-12-17T17:48:04 < karlp> yeah, I'm no him.
2015-12-17T17:48:14 < mitrax> he has a youtube video as well
2015-12-17T17:48:19 < mitrax> "showreel" :)
2015-12-17T17:48:21 < karlp> about hot pots?
2015-12-17T17:48:39 < dongs> i get twerk.net.au googling that name
2015-12-17T17:48:41 < dongs> as 1st hit
2015-12-17T17:48:53 < karlp> yeah, good, that's what you should get :)
2015-12-17T17:49:13 < dongs> imdb trash is nowheren ear first page
2015-12-17T17:49:14 < mitrax> it wasn't the first link that showed up don't worry :)
2015-12-17T17:49:21 < dongs> that dude probly searched on duckduckgo
2015-12-17T17:49:27 < dongs> the commie search engine
2015-12-17T17:50:23 < mitrax> nope 8th link on the first page on google
2015-12-17T17:50:31 < mitrax> over here anyway
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2015-12-17T18:45:45 < Laurenceb> anyone got silk screening done by hammond  ?
2015-12-17T18:46:14  * Laurenceb is wondering if he should use their silk screening or laser printed aluminium labels
2015-12-17T18:46:32 < Laurenceb> for horse saddle ECG
2015-12-17T18:49:42 < Laurenceb> laser printed labels can be dissolved by cleaners
2015-12-17T18:59:54 < dongs> did you see there was a small financial thing posted on zano companieshouse
2015-12-17T19:00:30 < dongs> https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07783507/filing-history
2015-12-17T19:00:40 < dongs> statement of affairs
2015-12-17T19:00:45 < dongs> 20kgbp wasted on apple computers
2015-12-17T19:00:57 < Laurenceb> lul
2015-12-17T19:01:22 < dongs> and they owe 12k to BT
2015-12-17T19:01:22 < dongs> lol
2015-12-17T19:01:27 < dongs> must be that amazing highspeed fiber line
2015-12-17T19:01:35 < dongs> to bumfucknowherebrokshire
2015-12-17T19:02:00 < dongs> wait 14k or apple trash
2015-12-17T19:02:06 < dongs> thats what , like 10 imacs?
2015-12-17T19:02:29 < dongs> lol olivetti color copier
2015-12-17T19:02:40 < dongs> sound investment
2015-12-17T19:04:16 < Laurenceb> lol their cars
2015-12-17T19:04:24 < Laurenceb> https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/document-api-images-prod/docs/x_1mJ7l5EPKdFpZjgSGNbBjyadEV2yvK66v88NqqxKE/application-pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=ASIAJQVDYYIGIGOCFQ7Q&Expires=1450371841&Signature=1ZM2VGgaTyy7%2Fo%2BpFdRw%2FLsOFXc%3D&x-amz-security-token=AQoDYXdzEHka4APDHWSGjueP2oKqN6s%2Bo7rhkYmA9tx0XXyK1Rk6u8%2B3gsgYeZzJrwA0BWUwlgHI3NwGBkYT7e%2FhAlR5qBEDCsBUbmvW8bsXYGC28Ib1PsUrbprlYiZMCgibtTZJ28kJTL4AU4wJ8otpxaz4XShHjKHgPcI
2015-12-17T19:04:24 < Laurenceb> yWFsPtCvb5AhOhP8W1mM2iAVhW%2BeUH5MPxPtNk2tHjfVGl642D%2FZ%2FM3%2Fp0USw2FbgXKm8cPRKlO3dmUkHAE0lVIfQByhNNjPu5ZFQPS8XxLA0%2Bggdov7%2BBqDXKB%2FbdT4OS%2Btjrz8wKbWk7vyGbLOy8k3tJ3HIPhDj9x75D6ILcVWt%2BgIdM8MAeirI3ZNnNR3HxbkGIXjI00KBe5V1aV3jIBD52YOPbctaX%2FUAmutGTtTMZG2nFjCvJNwaSBsIzaQcGcASNmG02XSDlkDSW3Mg8VTjqTfEu5MyC2xjFfawcKnIEMfnKBSvfwY1LB7pFoQIVpY5hMxyBfAY2lCpiMPVd6BJfqdzjNF9RxohULTQSab%2FzUQtaaPmnlf5XPxsX7PvS3HNDvMTgAJSph
2015-12-17T19:04:25 < Laurenceb> TQWB81ceNh9xELImJyy92HanyAu23jWEGM7EKCx4DBZsneHgXcW1FymWrEzX%2BJtZUbuFZwUpIisRxIaZ2HvR9u8uEg8qjLswU%3D
2015-12-17T19:04:29 < Laurenceb> shit
2015-12-17T19:04:29 < dongs> nice link bro
2015-12-17T19:04:32 < dongs> you cant link to that shit directly
2015-12-17T19:04:33 < Laurenceb> wtf
2015-12-17T19:04:38 < dongs> thats why I linked to the main list
2015-12-17T19:04:46 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-12-17T19:04:53 < dongs> two volkswagen golfs?
2015-12-17T19:04:59 < dongs> are those the cheating emission ones or not
2015-12-17T19:06:57 < dongs> at least their patents are worth zero
2015-12-17T19:07:03 < dongs> ivan the pro inventor of faggotry
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2015-12-17T19:17:58 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bPvc_kZAg0
2015-12-17T19:18:48 < emeb> just another day in UK
2015-12-17T19:18:55 < emeb> Ice cream wars
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2015-12-17T19:34:00 < __rob> its cos their actually selling kids smack from them
2015-12-17T19:34:23 < __rob> cant see how you can actually live off selling a few mr whippy
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2015-12-17T19:43:59 < Laurenceb> what should I used for board to board if I need <4mm height and low insertion force?
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2015-12-17T19:44:22 < Laurenceb> also need 15 way and good EMI shielding
2015-12-17T19:44:37 < ReadError> Laurenceb why you so bad at paste
2015-12-17T19:44:50 < Laurenceb> cuz I fail generally
2015-12-17T19:45:00 < Laurenceb> also hotkeys
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2015-12-17T19:46:59 < ds2> what's the problem with paste?
2015-12-17T19:47:14 < ReadError> i need to convert this damn kicad to altium so i can make a stencil
2015-12-17T19:47:22 < ReadError> the upverter github shit doesnt seem to even run
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2015-12-17T20:15:36 < Laurenceb> http://rlv.zcache.com/asperger_king_t_shirts-re8fb8cb4c5e34dabbb2a7697a809e00e_i807j_1024.jpg
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2015-12-17T20:17:08 < Steffanx> Laurenceb and his asperger obsession the movie.
2015-12-17T20:25:04 < qyx> Laurenceb: there are battery pack connectors with nearly zero insertion force
2015-12-17T20:25:15 < qyx> but meh, no shielding and not enough pins
2015-12-17T20:26:40 < Laurenceb> maybe I could make it work with more insertion force
2015-12-17T20:27:04 < Laurenceb> I need to connect a PCB to a panel mounted cable socket
2015-12-17T20:27:25 < Laurenceb> thats going to be glued into the case, and I want to be able to remove the main board
2015-12-17T20:27:57 < Laurenceb> so my idea is to have a "breakout" board on the cable socket, but it will be free hanging off the pins
2015-12-17T20:28:06 < Laurenceb> but I could add some plastic casing to support it
2015-12-17T20:34:06 < qyx> wat, what about solder type panel socket and wire-to-board connector?
2015-12-17T20:34:18 < qyx> and some cable
2015-12-17T20:35:27 < Laurenceb> cable will probably pick up more interference
2015-12-17T20:35:40 < Laurenceb> also more complex to assemble
2015-12-17T20:36:08 < Laurenceb> guess I could use a custom FFC
2015-12-17T20:37:17 < qyx> you could get dongs-korea made crimped cable assemblies!
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2015-12-17T20:42:58 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-12-17T20:43:56 < Laurenceb> http://uk.farnell.com/ltw/ltwsdb-09pmmp-sl7001/plug-d-ip68-67-pcb-9way/dp/1170079
2015-12-17T20:44:14 < Laurenceb> using one of those as the case chassis mounted connector
2015-12-17T20:45:10 < qyx> are you kidding
2015-12-17T20:45:54 < Laurenceb> nope
2015-12-17T20:46:17 < Laurenceb> its ofr ECG electrodes, there are off the shelf cable assemblies that connect to those
2015-12-17T20:46:28 < qyx> aha
2015-12-17T20:46:54 < Laurenceb> I dont want to have to make all the cabling too
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2015-12-17T21:01:22 < kakimir> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__89567__New_Design_pitot_tube_for_APM_Analog_airspeed_sensor.html proper made pitot tube for 10.92eur
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2015-12-17T21:02:34 < Laurenceb> nice
2015-12-17T21:02:42 < Laurenceb> pity APM pitot sucks
2015-12-17T21:02:58 < Laurenceb> well thats kind of redundant
2015-12-17T21:03:03 < Laurenceb> just "APM"
2015-12-17T21:03:36 < kakimir> add that to glider and weight goes up by 10%
2015-12-17T21:03:41 < kakimir> + sensor of course
2015-12-17T21:05:20 < kakimir> cc3d 3,97g
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2015-12-17T21:05:38 < kakimir> suckhing 70mA of current
2015-12-17T21:05:43 < kakimir> remove all the leds
2015-12-17T21:06:14 < kakimir> *leds resistors
2015-12-17T21:06:55 < kakimir> 4leds equals around - 20-40mA?
2015-12-17T21:10:51 < kakimir> Laurenceb: what was that pressure sensor you recommended
2015-12-17T21:11:14 < kakimir> it seems that librepilot has even support for analog input speed sensor
2015-12-17T21:11:22 < Laurenceb> honeywell truestability range
2015-12-17T21:11:32 < Laurenceb> tiny, 3.3v, i2c and low drift and noise
2015-12-17T21:11:38 < Laurenceb> like 3mA current
2015-12-17T21:12:26 < kakimir> I think my plane is not big enough
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2015-12-17T21:12:54 < Steffanx> what plane does kakimir have?
2015-12-17T21:13:31 < kakimir> 120g hobbykink dlg shiette
2015-12-17T21:13:39 < Steffanx> name/link?
2015-12-17T21:14:00 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZXJvMk90TW82eDQ/view?usp=sharing modeled new electronics appartment to it
2015-12-17T21:14:25 < Laurenceb> hmm
2015-12-17T21:14:37 < Laurenceb> dunno how good taulabs fixed wing support is
2015-12-17T21:15:08 < kakimir> who cares taulabs
2015-12-17T21:15:11 < kakimir> librepilot it is
2015-12-17T21:15:35 < kakimir> I still dont know what taulabs is
2015-12-17T21:15:45 < kakimir> dont tell
2015-12-17T21:15:54 < kakimir> *electronics compartment
2015-12-17T21:15:57 < Laurenceb> wtf
2015-12-17T21:16:05 < Laurenceb> never heard of librepilot
2015-12-17T21:16:16 < kakimir> it's bastard child of openpilot
2015-12-17T21:16:18 < Laurenceb> did it used to be called openpilot?
2015-12-17T21:16:20 < Laurenceb> oh
2015-12-17T21:16:25 < Laurenceb> so is taulabs lol
2015-12-17T21:16:30 < ReadError> kakimir, if you want to fly dixedwing
2015-12-17T21:16:34 < ReadError> just get a pixhawk clone
2015-12-17T21:16:36 < Laurenceb> openpilot had good fixed wing support
2015-12-17T21:18:06 < Laurenceb> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1450325941831.jpg
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2015-12-17T21:21:03 < Laurenceb> what hardware can librepilot use?
2015-12-17T21:21:11 < Steffanx> no actual name except for "120g hobbykink dlg shiette" kakimir? :)
2015-12-17T21:22:44 < ReadError> you dont want a FC for a DLG
2015-12-17T21:23:15 < kakimir> Laurenceb: is it you?
2015-12-17T21:23:17 < kakimir> Laurenceb: anything
2015-12-17T21:23:40 < kakimir> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__44837__HobbyKing_8482_Mini_DLG_Pro_w_Ailerons_Balsa_Blue_White_990mm_PNF_.html
2015-12-17T21:23:51 < kakimir> balsa parts are intact
2015-12-17T21:23:59 < kakimir> everything else is in pieces
2015-12-17T21:24:07 < Laurenceb> kakimir: there is #taulabs for taulabs
2015-12-17T21:24:22 < Laurenceb> dunno if they have worked on fixed wing, they are obsessed with quadcopters
2015-12-17T21:24:27 < kakimir> they dont care
2015-12-17T21:24:31 < kakimir> they are all quads
2015-12-17T21:25:38 < kakimir> nice beginner dlg
2015-12-17T21:25:44 < kakimir> to get idea oh it
2015-12-17T21:25:45 < kakimir> of
2015-12-17T21:25:49 < kakimir> and destroy it
2015-12-17T21:26:09 < ReadError> Laurenceb, TL is dead now
2015-12-17T21:26:13 < ReadError> everyone went to #dronin
2015-12-17T21:26:16 < kakimir> only dlg that hobbyking sells that stays somewhat intact
2015-12-17T21:26:28 < kakimir> and doesn't have screaming quality issues
2015-12-17T21:26:38 < ReadError> kakimir, you can use some dongsware
2015-12-17T21:26:47 < ReadError> ive used baseflight with prane
2015-12-17T21:27:56 < Laurenceb> what the hell
2015-12-17T21:27:59 < Laurenceb> so many projects
2015-12-17T21:28:17 < ReadError> hostile fork ?
2015-12-17T21:28:38 < kakimir> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__54594__HobbyKing_Bird_Plane_DLG_Balsa_800mm_PNF_EU_Warehouse_.html oh new shiette
2015-12-17T21:28:48 < kakimir> looks robust
2015-12-17T21:29:20 < ReadError> i would fart and rekt that thing
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2015-12-17T21:38:53 < Laurenceb> so what flight controller are you using?
2015-12-17T21:39:59 < ReadError> my own
2015-12-17T21:40:51 < Laurenceb> cool
2015-12-17T21:40:57 < Laurenceb> I mean kakimir tho
2015-12-17T21:41:00 < Laurenceb> photos?
2015-12-17T21:43:35 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-NVkDp55/0/X2/CA_03141506540267-X2.jpg that fucknugget would be good for ur DLG kakimir
2015-12-17T21:44:12 < Laurenceb> invensense ?
2015-12-17T21:44:20 < ReadError> jes
2015-12-17T21:44:26 < Laurenceb> cool
2015-12-17T21:44:53 < Laurenceb> I made one a few years ago  http://i.imgur.com/9cC04.jpg
2015-12-17T21:45:19 < ReadError> all axes lol
2015-12-17T21:45:27 < ReadError> gdamn did tom66 solder that
2015-12-17T21:46:14 < Laurenceb> wazzup with it?
2015-12-17T21:54:15 < kakimir> ReadError: what is it?
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2015-12-17T21:54:54 < ReadError> just some clone trash
2015-12-17T21:55:09 < kakimir> what trash?
2015-12-17T21:55:23 < Laurenceb> tom66 trash
2015-12-17T21:55:47 < ReadError> kakimir, something i made cuz dongs dont make what i want
2015-12-17T21:56:30 < kakimir> what is this "tom66" you talk about?=
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2015-12-17T22:02:10 < Laurenceb> worlds worst soldering
2015-12-17T22:02:38 < kakimir> oooh
2015-12-17T22:02:40 < kakimir> youtubes?
2015-12-17T22:02:47 < kakimir> tom66 solderin tutorials?
2015-12-17T22:02:47 < Laurenceb> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1450374306025-0.png
2015-12-17T22:03:35 < Laurenceb> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/2/4/0/5/7/a4437543-121-DSCN6724.jpg?d=1322085724
2015-12-17T22:03:37 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYcofQMHm2o finnish soldering school
2015-12-17T22:04:17 < Laurenceb> dat music
2015-12-17T22:04:22 < ReadError> i started out with a butane torch
2015-12-17T22:04:31 < kakimir> it equals quality
2015-12-17T22:04:32 < ReadError> aint even lying
2015-12-17T22:05:50 < ReadError> https://www.instagram.com/p/_Zpp_BSkeX/
2015-12-17T22:05:53 < ReadError> running at half speed
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2015-12-17T22:08:26 < mtbg> hi
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2015-12-17T22:29:00 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore#q=cuckold%20porn
2015-12-17T22:29:03 < Laurenceb> lol Manchester
2015-12-17T22:32:54 < Steffanx> Why you even google trend that mr Laurenceb -_-
2015-12-17T22:37:52 < ReadError> <Laurenceb> http://rlv.zcache.com/asperger_king_t_shirts-re8fb8cb4c5e34dabbb2a7697a809e00e_i807j_1024.jpg
2015-12-17T22:37:57 < ReadError> explains?
2015-12-17T22:39:46 < Steffanx> lol
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2015-12-17T22:49:38 < mtbg> :>
2015-12-17T23:03:20 < Laurenceb>  /pol/
2015-12-17T23:23:40 < Bright> does STM32F103 still need a D+ pullup for USB FS?
2015-12-17T23:30:55 < KreAture_> hoy, any c++ wizards here ? (lol)
2015-12-17T23:31:50 < KreAture_> I'm pondering a new library and I am wondering if I can make it more portable
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2015-12-17T23:33:29 < KreAture_> Right now I am musing about templating the class to allow specifying which interface solution (hal) to use during instantiation of the object.  Then again, maby it is easier to let the user derive a class with their hal layer
2015-12-17T23:34:50 < KreAture_> It's a tad fiddly as the templating will make it harder to code the lib (seeing as most environments can't do member lookups on templated stuff since it's not known during the lib writing what will be available
2015-12-17T23:35:24 < KreAture_> It is however known in the lib what functions MUST be provided by the template class, so I am wondering if something like java's "extends" can be used in the template spec
2015-12-17T23:39:06 < KreAture_> I'd like to do a "template <class_type extends hal_baseclass> class specific_display : public generic_display_class" so as to limit the classes used for templating
2015-12-17T23:39:13 < KreAture_> Possible in java, not sure about c++
2015-12-17T23:43:43 < mitrax> KreAture_: if you use C++11 use std::is_base_of and a static assertion within the class body
2015-12-17T23:44:15 < KreAture_> mitrax ahh yes static assertion would work
2015-12-17T23:44:23 < KreAture_> ;)
2015-12-17T23:45:18 < KreAture_> atleast to catch stupid input :)
2015-12-17T23:46:11 < KreAture_> It still won't let the editor environment do code lookup though
2015-12-17T23:46:14 < KreAture_> :(
2015-12-17T23:46:25 < KreAture_> which is really the gain I am most desperate for
2015-12-17T23:48:03 < KreAture_> I really want to be able to handle any object in the specific_display class that is instantiated from the template class_type like any known (to the editor) class with it's members available by lookup, highlighting and such.
2015-12-17T23:48:16 < KreAture_> It usually saves a lot of time during codeing and avoids silly errors.
2015-12-17T23:48:42 < KreAture_> Hmm, would passing the hal interface as a parameter to constructor be cleaner and simpler?
2015-12-17T23:51:02 < mitrax> what you're requiring is something that was supposed to be implemented in C++11 but that was removed from the standard, they call it "concepts" you can define requirements and bind to a specific type, unfortunately that probably won't be available soon :)
2015-12-17T23:51:28 < KreAture_> The idea is to let user supply the interface that has init, deinit, write, writeblock, read and readblock type functions, and have each specific display driver inherit from the base display class so as to cover mundane stuff in base class, specific stuff like writepixel in specific class, and let em all have a common access to hal which would provide spi, i2c, serial and ethernet type interfaces to the displays
2015-12-17T23:51:41 < KreAture_> aww
2015-12-17T23:51:43 < KreAture_> shucks
2015-12-17T23:51:44 < KreAture_> :)
2015-12-17T23:52:12 < KreAture_> I was sure I had read about it somewhere, now I know where, in the discussions about what was hopefully in c++11
2015-12-17T23:52:17 < KreAture_> lol
2015-12-17T23:53:22 < KreAture_> so, to allow better code lookup parhaps simply giving it a pointer to a object extending the hal_class it wants would be ok?
2015-12-17T23:53:35 < mitrax> well then use a virtual base class and derive the specific hal implementation from that, but you'll have the penalty of a virtual call, usually polymorphism is used when you want to manipulate instances of different types at runtime through a single base type
2015-12-17T23:53:37 < KreAture_> I've done that before I am just not sure it is community friendly
2015-12-17T23:54:14 < KreAture_> Probably cleaner and esier to understand than templating anyway
2015-12-17T23:57:01 < mitrax> you will have a small performance penalty, unless the compiler can detects there's a single derived type and skip the virtual tables and do a direct call... i haven't checked if some compilers do that, probably not
2015-12-17T23:58:22 < KreAture_> hmm, didn't think of that
2015-12-17T23:58:37 < KreAture_> so for a mcu the template is actually higher performance
2015-12-17T23:59:32 < KreAture_> Hmm, so performance penalty, or code lookup missing.
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2015-12-18T00:00:47 < KreAture_> If I try to bypass this by using the template, but instantiating it and treating it (forcing it to) the base class, would it still have the cirtual step?
2015-12-18T00:00:57 < KreAture_> I really haven't looked that deep into it before
2015-12-18T00:01:53 < mitrax> well ressorting to a base class to force a certain type will result in the same thing yeah
2015-12-18T00:03:19 < KreAture_> sniffle
2015-12-18T00:03:28 < KreAture_> why is c++ being mean...
2015-12-18T00:03:30 < KreAture_> lol
2015-12-18T00:03:55 < KreAture_> The annoying thing is this is doable in java, which I really dislike
2015-12-18T00:03:56 < KreAture_> lol
2015-12-18T00:05:16 < mitrax> eheh
2015-12-18T00:07:57 < KreAture_> I think I'll just take the penalty then and push in a hal object they can use, atleast then the ide is 100% sure what the object looks like so it can have full lookup
2015-12-18T00:08:03 < KreAture_> I guess it's worth it
2015-12-18T00:08:12 < KreAture_> I'll have a look at the asm later to see what it generates
2015-12-18T00:09:41 < KreAture_> You agree though that it should be seperated in generic, specific and actual hal
2015-12-18T00:10:05 < KreAture_> I find all the available libs for my displays, cameras and such are oddly platform specific
2015-12-18T00:19:15 < KreAture_> mitrax seems like I can go for c++17 if available ?
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2015-12-18T00:19:35 < KreAture_> template< class Base, class Derived > ?
2015-12-18T00:23:18 < mitrax> what?
2015-12-18T00:23:41 < KreAture_> I am looking at cppreference
2015-12-18T00:23:47 < KreAture_> seems like something happened in c++17
2015-12-18T00:23:59 < KreAture_> Not sure I get it yet
2015-12-18T00:24:24 < KreAture_> to mee that looks like a list of template params
2015-12-18T00:25:03 < mitrax> c++17 won't be out before a while
2015-12-18T00:25:48 < KreAture_> yeh
2015-12-18T00:25:50 < KreAture_> :(
2015-12-18T00:32:23 < mitrax> actually
2015-12-18T00:34:32 < mitrax> you could use the final keyword introduced in c++11 in the classes that implement your hal base class, g++ optimize the call if it's made through a reference or pointer of the derived type
2015-12-18T00:35:40 < KreAture_> template<typename T> requires std::is_base_of<base_class, T>;
2015-12-18T00:36:12 < KreAture_> this is the limit you were thinking of that is for concepts right?
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2015-12-18T00:37:43 < jadew> anyone here using the Keithley 2231A-30-3 power supply?
2015-12-18T00:37:59 < KreAture_> so, in essence, final makes it non overloadable if I am not mistaken
2015-12-18T00:38:36 < mitrax> KreAture_: well it applies to the virtual member function you implement
2015-12-18T00:38:44 < KreAture_> oh right
2015-12-18T00:38:45 < KreAture_> :)
2015-12-18T00:38:57 < KreAture_> oof, this is a lot to go back into after many years hehe
2015-12-18T00:39:07 < KreAture_> why is this shit so seldon used?
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2015-12-18T00:39:46 < mitrax> KreAture_: oh it's new as i said it has been introduced in c++11 (11 as in 2011)
2015-12-18T00:40:07 < KreAture_> 2011, new
2015-12-18T00:40:09 < KreAture_> well yes
2015-12-18T00:40:14 < mitrax> ok well 4 years old might not qualify as new ahaha
2015-12-18T00:40:23 < KreAture_> but when i develop, if the chip came out in 2011 it is obsolete
2015-12-18T00:40:48 < KreAture_> when I use ddr chips I need to be done in 2 months, or the chip is no longer available
2015-12-18T00:41:18 < KreAture_> we get a few months heads up, then a preview, then a few months of go, and about 4-6 months of manufacture, then chip is no more
2015-12-18T00:41:25 < KreAture_> lol
2015-12-18T00:41:35 < KreAture_> woosh, and you miss it
2015-12-18T00:42:48 < KreAture_> anyway, thanks
2015-12-18T00:42:58 < mitrax> np
2015-12-18T00:42:59 < KreAture_> I hope to get this much cleaner than the libs we have used till now
2015-12-18T00:43:15 < KreAture_> It always pisses me off when the libs assume shit about io and such
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2015-12-18T00:52:10 < kakimir> bluetooth audio module I'm looking at
2015-12-18T00:52:22 < kakimir> requires 15mm of ground plane around it
2015-12-18T00:52:30 < kakimir> to right and left
2015-12-18T00:52:35 < kakimir> I will give it 0mm
2015-12-18T00:53:09 < kakimir> but I solder uf.l to it and use some external antenna
2015-12-18T00:53:21 < kakimir> I need 2.4ghz flexible antenna
2015-12-18T00:53:28 < kakimir> that is 18mm wide max
2015-12-18T00:53:34 < kakimir> and can be long as hell
2015-12-18T00:53:58 < kakimir> and will be bend to slight circle curve
2015-12-18T00:54:34 < kakimir> hmm didn't figure that may fuck up the function of actual antenna
2015-12-18T00:56:36 < kakimir> maybe there is some flat space
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2015-12-18T00:56:40 < kakimir> under the battery
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2015-12-18T00:57:06 < kakimir> how does 2.4ghz antenna work when glued to lipo?
2015-12-18T00:58:06 < kakimir> can I bend long lipo cell to slight curve?
2015-12-18T00:58:19 < kakimir> in commercial apparatus
2015-12-18T00:58:26 < PeterM> no
2015-12-18T00:58:36 < PeterM> well, you can if you're selling a fireball
2015-12-18T00:58:40 < mitrax> rotfl
2015-12-18T01:03:02 < mitrax> good god this is driving me nuts, i send \x00\x01\x02\x03\x04 from one uart, i get \x00\x81\x82\x03\x84 on the remote side... works properly when the uart is initialized with ST lib, not with mine though i do exactly the same thing and the uart register values are exactly the same... i'm sure it's something fucking stupid gah
2015-12-18T01:03:26 < kakimir> 3d modelin is fukin easy
2015-12-18T01:03:38 < mitrax> the kind of stupid that will have me banging my head on the wall when i find it
2015-12-18T01:03:45 < kakimir> should leave ee to someone else
2015-12-18T01:08:33 < kakimir> okay I have 9mm x 18mm x long curved space
2015-12-18T01:08:54 < kakimir> drop row of paraller batteries in it
2015-12-18T01:09:14 < kakimir> bluetooth module board with proper amplifiers
2015-12-18T01:09:35 < upgrdman_> kakimir, iirc some smart watches use bent LiPo batteries
2015-12-18T01:09:45 < upgrdman_> i'm guessing they not available to general public tho
2015-12-18T01:10:14 < upgrdman_> and i'm guessing to be safe, this requires collaboration with battery factory to make sure things wont short out or otherwise fail when bent slightly
2015-12-18T01:10:32 < kakimir> I need bent oled
2015-12-18T01:10:35 < kakimir> red matrix
2015-12-18T01:10:49 < upgrdman_> offer one of the samsung exec's a handy?
2015-12-18T01:10:57 < kakimir> ?
2015-12-18T01:11:07 < upgrdman_> nm
2015-12-18T01:11:41 < kakimir> handy?
2015-12-18T01:11:41 < upgrdman_> shitty engineering: buy a curved oled tv and use a razor blade to cut it to size. guaranteed to work.
2015-12-18T01:11:48 < kakimir> hmm
2015-12-18T01:11:49 < upgrdman_> hand job
2015-12-18T01:11:56 < kakimir> you know better
2015-12-18T01:12:12 < kakimir> I need something like 2cm x 5cm
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2015-12-18T01:12:16 < kakimir> active area
2015-12-18T01:14:36 < kakimir> if everything was so ez to just give handy there were a line of ceos front of samsung hq
2015-12-18T01:14:47 < kakimir> ready to blow
2015-12-18T01:16:02 < kakimir> turnigy nanotech - battery of choise
2015-12-18T01:16:41 < kakimir> too wide
2015-12-18T01:17:59 < kakimir> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__24920__Turnigy_nano_tech_260mAh_1S_35_70C_Lipo_Pack_QR_Ladybird_Genius_CP_Mini_CP_.html 2mm too wide
2015-12-18T01:18:51 < kakimir> maybe it too much of firecracker when the shit shorts anyways
2015-12-18T01:19:09 < kakimir> 70C discharge 8)
2015-12-18T01:21:47 < kakimir> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__76879__Turnigy_Nano_Tech_200mah_1S_35_70C_LiPoly_Battery_Turnigy_Kyosho_E_Flite_Parkzone.html something like this but with plain solder connectors
2015-12-18T01:21:52 < kakimir> 2 or 3 in row
2015-12-18T01:22:07 < kakimir> enough space for cabling around
2015-12-18T01:24:14 < upgrdman_> just ebay for "small lipo cell" or someshit
2015-12-18T01:24:29 < upgrdman_> ebay is full of unfinished cells from chinaman backyard factory
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2015-12-18T01:25:11 < PeterM> also, protip, you can solder to the aluminium tabs if you get the right flux
2015-12-18T01:25:29 < kakimir> chinaman street factory
2015-12-18T01:27:08 < kakimir> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__7567__ZIPPY_100mAh_20C_Single_Cell.html
2015-12-18T01:27:30 < kakimir> 15mm of 18mm and 4mm of 9mm
2015-12-18T01:27:32  * mitrax bangs his head against the wall
2015-12-18T01:27:33 < upgrdman_> is that factory fresh rust?
2015-12-18T01:28:04 < kakimir> maybe even place those sells aligned on top of each other
2015-12-18T01:28:08 < kakimir> *cells
2015-12-18T01:29:24 < kakimir> who buys ebay shiet when hobbyking sells more legit cells?
2015-12-18T01:29:32 < kakimir> for about same price
2015-12-18T01:29:45 < kakimir> *exclude shipping
2015-12-18T01:31:46 < KreAture_> mitrax you got bit number issue?  Default is 7 bit btw
2015-12-18T01:31:49 < upgrdman_> also, kak: theyre sold out. lol.
2015-12-18T01:32:16 < KreAture_> mitrax I assume you doublechecked start bits etc
2015-12-18T01:32:38 < mitrax> KreAture_: i've just fixed it, well i specified 8, but i also specified even parity ... so doh the highest bit was the parity
2015-12-18T01:32:48 < mitrax> KreAture_: should have been 9 bits not 8
2015-12-18T01:32:54 < KreAture_> :)
2015-12-18T01:32:58 < KreAture_> parity is for sissys
2015-12-18T01:33:00 < KreAture_> :)
2015-12-18T01:33:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0j1Cf4aXWs finnish public sauna
2015-12-18T01:34:02 < mitrax> in my mind the wordlength was the payload byte size, not including parity, stupid me
2015-12-18T01:34:50 < KreAture_> I ended up using a hal object of base class that the base display class has a pointer to. It is initialized via passing the constructor parameter for the specific display class to the generic display class in the initializer so as to avoid double initializing it and to set it during instantiation. Then IDE can do lookup, context and code completion while having a minimum of overhead and make it simple for user.
2015-12-18T01:35:00 < mitrax> although, not that stupid since the stop bits are not included in the word length, i just assumed it would be the same for parity
2015-12-18T01:35:03 < KreAture_> mitrax ahh done that mistake myseldf
2015-12-18T01:35:05 < KreAture_> :)
2015-12-18T01:36:20 < KreAture_> This was the base class of the hal object dictates what is used and the derived class has to implement it
2015-12-18T01:36:32 < KreAture_> clean and almost simple
2015-12-18T01:36:49 < KreAture_> and best of all, no editing of header files to "configure library"
2015-12-18T01:38:12 < mitrax> yeah though i'm not sure to grasp why you have another class that delegates the call
2015-12-18T01:38:37 < KreAture_> ?
2015-12-18T01:39:03 < KreAture_> all the displays use hal->write() and such
2015-12-18T01:39:05 < mitrax> well you could pass references or pointers to the base class around to the function that need to interfact with the display
2015-12-18T01:39:55 < KreAture_> You create your hal object in the code, pass a pointer to the display as you create that, which in turn passes it to it's base class
2015-12-18T01:40:07 < KreAture_> The display is specific and knows all bout the displays quirks
2015-12-18T01:40:15 < mitrax> usually it's the other way around
2015-12-18T01:40:25 < KreAture_> but it uses mostly generic stuff for drawing circles and fonts and whatnot
2015-12-18T01:40:50 < mitrax> you have an abstract interface for the display, and the derived class implements what's specific to the display
2015-12-18T01:41:00 < KreAture_> exactly
2015-12-18T01:41:06 < KreAture_> as I said
2015-12-18T01:41:38 < KreAture_> the generic interface does graphics stuff, but the specific pixel access and init is done by the derived class
2015-12-18T01:41:40 < mitrax> yeah but my point is you can pass a pointer to the base display class, it's abstract
2015-12-18T01:41:52 < KreAture_> I am
2015-12-18T01:42:01 < mitrax> ok so the generic interface implements stuff common to all the display?
2015-12-18T01:42:05 < KreAture_> but I do not need to pass it to anyone
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2015-12-18T01:42:09 < KreAture_> it is used in the code
2015-12-18T01:42:16 < KreAture_> yes
2015-12-18T01:42:49 < KreAture_> magic_special:display mydisplay(spi_hal&);
2015-12-18T01:42:53 < KreAture_> err sorry
2015-12-18T01:42:58 < KreAture_> magic_special_display mydisplay(spi_hal&);
2015-12-18T01:43:08 < KreAture_> dunno why the shift didn't do the job on the underscore there
2015-12-18T01:43:14 < mitrax> &spi_hal :)
2015-12-18T01:43:19 < KreAture_> :p
2015-12-18T01:44:01 < KreAture_> anyway, constructor for the display ofcource takes a io_hal class, which spi_hal is derived from
2015-12-18T01:44:18 < KreAture_> that takes care of that and the code in lib can be looked up and completed with ease
2015-12-18T01:44:38 < KreAture_> and it allows you to use the same display in different modes as the commands are the same
2015-12-18T01:44:54 < KreAture_> give it a i2c_hal instead to wire it up differently
2015-12-18T01:45:21 < KreAture_> and when it comes to drawing you use mydisplay.drawCircle() etc
2015-12-18T01:45:52 < KreAture_> should be more reusable than old libs I have
2015-12-18T01:45:54 < mitrax> well for a display i wouldn't do it that way, sure it can be i²C or SPI based but it can also be an integrated controller, with hardware acceleration
2015-12-18T01:46:23 < KreAture_> with integrated controller my method still works
2015-12-18T01:46:40 < KreAture_> you'd write a specific lib for that right, and extend the generic
2015-12-18T01:47:07 < KreAture_> the write instructions would then most likely go to a framebuffer_hal and so become memory access
2015-12-18T01:47:13 < mitrax> well if you use a hal_io base class as interface not really, cause then the specific function for e.g drawing a polygon (that could be accelerated) won't be available from the io interface
2015-12-18T01:47:26 < KreAture_> but yes, you'd overload any stuff you can hw accellerate
2015-12-18T01:47:48 < KreAture_> The point is to allow a minimum to be done toget it running, and allow optimized special versions to overload the generic stuff
2015-12-18T01:48:38 < KreAture_> still, this is ment to be a framework for simpler displays, cameramodules and such
2015-12-18T01:48:45 < mitrax> sure, i was just pointing out that as you said you'd use a io_hal as a base class it wouldn't work for everything, unless you wanted to add methods for drawing polygons, bit blitting etc there, but then it's not an io_class anymore
2015-12-18T01:48:46 < KreAture_> not the high end internal gpu stuff
2015-12-18T01:49:03 < mitrax> make it "display_hal" and it's fine :)
2015-12-18T01:49:08 < KreAture_> io_hal has a passthrough for api commands so yes
2015-12-18T01:49:23 < KreAture_> or I intended it to as some serial displays have accelleration
2015-12-18T01:49:28 < KreAture_> :p
2015-12-18T01:49:37 < KreAture_> well, io was just a name
2015-12-18T01:49:57 < KreAture_> The point being to illustrate it being the access layer which would change if you replaced the mcu
2015-12-18T01:50:18 < KreAture_> using a 8 bit mcu would usualy have a completely different hw structure than a 32 bit arm etc
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2015-12-18T01:50:41 < KreAture_> I want the hal to be the only truly hardware close part that you need to do for a new chip
2015-12-18T01:51:25 < KreAture_> This allows different hal's to be instantiated in one place based on a ifdef or such, and everything else can keep using em as baseclass where virtuals are implemented by derived class
2015-12-18T01:51:30 < KreAture_> etc
2015-12-18T01:51:53 < mitrax> yeah well that's the whole point of an abstraction layer, i was just pointing out the fact that you may need an abstract interface specific to display and not something based around just the concept of transfering data (from memory to memory, I2C, SPI whatever)
2015-12-18T01:52:03 < KreAture_> I am just tired of customers coming to me with an arduino lib thinking it would run fine on a new arm m4
2015-12-18T01:52:27 < KreAture_> yeh, maby
2015-12-18T01:52:58 < KreAture_> But then you are not making a clear destinction anymore as you can't use drawpixel etc
2015-12-18T01:53:25 < mitrax> why oculdn't you?
2015-12-18T01:53:31 < mitrax> couldn't
2015-12-18T01:53:41 < KreAture_> drawpixel or fill_region would be a combination of display specific and io specific
2015-12-18T01:54:04 < mitrax> hence the point of having a display interface that takes care of the specific
2015-12-18T01:54:10 < KreAture_> in a mcu with dma for example you can do fill by setting region in display driver, then use dma for single color fill etc
2015-12-18T01:54:18 < mitrax> i mean, display interface implementation
2015-12-18T01:54:30 < KreAture_> Then you suddently have very display specific hal
2015-12-18T01:54:42 < KreAture_> It would need to know how to specify that region
2015-12-18T01:54:46 < KreAture_> not just dump data
2015-12-18T01:55:07 < mitrax> well precisely, that's why you would have a fill_rect() function
2015-12-18T01:55:10 < KreAture_> anyway, this is wht stuff gets complicated and why I alwaos snigger whenever someone asks why there is so little code reuse...
2015-12-18T01:55:53 < KreAture_> yes, but is the fill_rect part of the display specific layer, or the hal
2015-12-18T01:56:04 < KreAture_> and if it is in hal, can't it be both?
2015-12-18T01:56:13 < mitrax> display specific layer
2015-12-18T01:56:22 < KreAture_> but then you need to make it
2015-12-18T01:56:24 < KreAture_> every time
2015-12-18T01:56:30 < KreAture_> I will be supporting about 12 displays here
2015-12-18T01:56:36 < KreAture_> not really what I'd love to do
2015-12-18T01:56:40 < KreAture_> making that for every one
2015-12-18T01:57:14 < KreAture_> especially since most of em doesn't have any more advanced stuff than sending a byte to the display in either spi, i2c, serial or network fashion
2015-12-18T01:57:29 < KreAture_> Not much complicated stuff going on
2015-12-18T01:57:34 < KreAture_> not much room for speed
2015-12-18T01:57:39 < mitrax> well depending on the kind of display you'll have to... with an integrated display controller with on board ram you'd use DMA as you said
2015-12-18T01:58:27 < KreAture_> It's just that whatever we end up doing in the past, it always seem to be a set of planned layers, and a long list of rule violations.
2015-12-18T01:59:00 < mitrax> if the display is i2c or SPI provide it with an abstract interface to the i2C / SPI of the mcu
2015-12-18T01:59:08 < KreAture_> which is why we call it embedded and not linux or <insert os here> type development where it seems overhead does not exist
2015-12-18T01:59:50  * mitrax is hungty
2015-12-18T01:59:54 < KreAture_> I think that is why I want to focus on the i2c, spi, serial, net type interfaces as they basically work very much the same
2015-12-18T01:59:56 < mitrax> err hungRy
2015-12-18T01:59:58 < KreAture_> maby even paralell
2015-12-18T01:59:59 < KreAture_> hehe
2015-12-18T02:01:09  * KreAture_ had Pad Karri Gai
2015-12-18T02:01:16 < KreAture_> I love yellow curry chicken
2015-12-18T02:01:32 < mitrax> that looks good
2015-12-18T02:01:50 < mitrax> although google image returns a lot of different stuff for tht name
2015-12-18T02:05:38 < KreAture_> PAD KRAPRAW GAI
2015-12-18T02:05:41 < KreAture_> http://www.sushibowl.no/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/img_0505.jpg
2015-12-18T02:05:45 < KreAture_> :)
2015-12-18T02:05:47 < KreAture_> Good too
2015-12-18T02:06:01 < KreAture_> but I prefer curry and I like the spring onions instead of beans
2015-12-18T02:06:23 < mitrax> eheh
2015-12-18T02:06:25 < KreAture_> Got a local thai place here that I visit frequently
2015-12-18T02:06:52 < KreAture_> I limit myself to their medium though, anything higher and I can't breathe
2015-12-18T02:06:57 < KreAture_> lol
2015-12-18T02:07:03 < mitrax> norway?
2015-12-18T02:07:05 < KreAture_> yup
2015-12-18T02:07:28 < KreAture_> Good sushi place too
2015-12-18T02:07:35 < KreAture_> the sushi chef is a friend of mine
2015-12-18T02:07:43 < mitrax> ahaha nice
2015-12-18T02:07:58 < KreAture_> he's an art buf who like sculpturing and has 2 3d printers he uses for it
2015-12-18T02:08:15 < KreAture_> weird combo
2015-12-18T02:08:22 < mitrax> zbrush and 3D printing?
2015-12-18T02:08:36 < KreAture_> maby not though, slicing and building delicate fish stuff is kinda sculpting
2015-12-18T02:08:42 < KreAture_> dunno what he uses
2015-12-18T02:09:05 < KreAture_> but he prints in fun copper fill materials and smears stain and patina stuff on it and gets really cool surface textures and looks
2015-12-18T02:09:16 < KreAture_> Looks like 3d printed bronze statues etc
2015-12-18T02:09:25 < kakimir> http://hackaday.com/2014/02/28/pcb-antenna-reference-designs/ i can add number 2 design and be done with it?
2015-12-18T02:09:26 < KreAture_> but proper metallic
2015-12-18T02:09:30 < kakimir> with bluetooth
2015-12-18T02:10:36 < KreAture_> kakimir there is a very cool 3d antenna available for bt
2015-12-18T02:10:53 < kakimir> I need something flat and 18mm wide
2015-12-18T02:10:59 < KreAture_> molex I think
2015-12-18T02:11:05 < KreAture_> http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0479480001_ANTENNAS.xml
2015-12-18T02:11:28 < KreAture_> Kinda hard to do the antenna matching on it though, but it's incredibly robust and can be close to other metal
2015-12-18T02:11:38 < KreAture_> we almost used it in a project at work lasy year
2015-12-18T02:12:00 < kakimir> looks expensives
2015-12-18T02:12:40 < KreAture_> http://no.farnell.com/Search?storeId=10169&catalogId=15001&categoryName=Alle+kategorier&selectedCategoryId=&langId=47&categoryIdBox=&st=47948-0001
2015-12-18T02:12:44 < KreAture_> farnell has it
2015-12-18T02:13:06 < KreAture_> digikey too
2015-12-18T02:13:06 < KreAture_> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=47948-0001
2015-12-18T02:13:34 < KreAture_> It's so small that sometimes it may get away with being tall
2015-12-18T02:13:43 < kakimir> it is expensives
2015-12-18T02:13:51 < KreAture_> I think it was 4mm tall
2015-12-18T02:13:57 < KreAture_> still, very cool !
2015-12-18T02:14:09 < kakimir> but I design.. quality desing anyways
2015-12-18T02:15:19 < zyp> KreAture_, ah, we used that in a design at my former employer
2015-12-18T02:15:40 < KreAture_> :)
2015-12-18T02:15:51 < zyp> well, my former employer only did the firmware for that, design was outsourced
2015-12-18T02:16:02 < KreAture_> abb?
2015-12-18T02:16:15 < zyp> what? no
2015-12-18T02:16:24 < KreAture_> ok, then "not my fault"
2015-12-18T02:16:26 < KreAture_> hehe
2015-12-18T02:16:46 < zyp> small local company, acroos the hallway from my old office
2015-12-18T02:17:30 < kakimir> does any commercial products use such antennas
2015-12-18T02:17:41 < kakimir> I mean shit in quantities
2015-12-18T02:17:42 < zyp> well, duh
2015-12-18T02:17:54 < zyp> it wouldn't exist if nobody used it
2015-12-18T02:18:11 < zyp> distributors doesn't stock shit nobody wants
2015-12-18T02:18:27 < kakimir> or just KreAture_ using for companys propiertary designs because easy to drop it there
2015-12-18T02:19:01 < zyp> but of course, when you're talking cellphone scale, the companies design in antennas in the phone body
2015-12-18T02:19:23 < zyp> there's quantities and then there's quantities
2015-12-18T02:20:42 < KreAture_> yeh
2015-12-18T02:21:01 < KreAture_> btw, look at the bluetooth modules from Amped'RF if you d obluetooth
2015-12-18T02:21:08 < KreAture_> may be you can just skip the whole thing
2015-12-18T02:21:14 < KreAture_> They have some 11x9mm ones
2015-12-18T02:21:23 < KreAture_> That is entire module with antenna on
2015-12-18T02:21:26 < KreAture_> (chip antenna)
2015-12-18T02:21:39 < KreAture_> I am using it in a prosthethic limb at work
2015-12-18T02:21:47 < KreAture_> very nice
2015-12-18T02:22:00 < kakimir> does F antenna require huge ground plane?
2015-12-18T02:22:01 < KreAture_> although export shit and paperwork is redicolous
2015-12-18T02:22:14 < KreAture_> larger works better I think
2015-12-18T02:22:28 < kakimir> most devices have barelly anything
2015-12-18T02:23:00 < zyp> it has something to do about ground plane size vs a fraction of a wavelength
2015-12-18T02:23:37 < mitrax> Kreature: BT53?
2015-12-18T02:23:39 < zyp> but IIRC it's mostly that the antenna becomes more sensitive to detuning
2015-12-18T02:23:56 < zyp> so it requires more careful matching
2015-12-18T02:24:13 < KreAture_> mitrax bt33 and bt53 are cool ones yes
2015-12-18T02:24:33 < zyp> one of my profs at uni was an RF guru, and I think that's how he explained it
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2015-12-18T02:24:56 < mitrax> atm i'm using a RN41 from microchip but that's shit, lousy firmware
2015-12-18T02:25:03 < kakimir> any recommends for bluetooth audio in addition to wt32i?
2015-12-18T02:25:10 < kakimir> *quality brand
2015-12-18T02:25:21 < kakimir> quality audio **
2015-12-18T02:25:27 < KreAture_> mitrax amped'rf has their own firmware and own their stack
2015-12-18T02:26:02 < kakimir> no integrated amplifier
2015-12-18T02:26:08 < KreAture_> and they have api and sdk for using their module as entire design
2015-12-18T02:26:20 < mitrax> neat
2015-12-18T02:26:36 < KreAture_> quite powerfull mcu too, and they tell me only 20% codespace is in use
2015-12-18T02:26:40 < KreAture_> rest is available
2015-12-18T02:26:52 < KreAture_> think they run m4
2015-12-18T02:26:56 < KreAture_> I know it's a stm32
2015-12-18T02:27:16 < KreAture_> You get soimething like 8 gpios
2015-12-18T02:27:28 < KreAture_> definately worth a look
2015-12-18T02:27:48 < KreAture_> the bt33 comes down to about $3 in high volume and $11-12 in singles
2015-12-18T02:27:50 < mitrax> i read somewhere there would be a new ESP8266 like chip that would do both BT and wifi but i don't know when that will be released
2015-12-18T02:28:06 < KreAture_> hehe let's hope it's more stable lol
2015-12-18T02:28:28 < mitrax> i haven't used ESP8266, it's not?
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2015-12-18T02:29:25 < mitrax> (stable)
2015-12-18T02:29:45 < kakimir> any idea what bluegiga wt32i has inside?
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2015-12-18T02:30:24 < kakimir> some basic bluetooth chipset that has their label can over it?
2015-12-18T02:30:31 < Getty> ooookkkk http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0014937P6
2015-12-18T02:30:32 < kakimir> and running their firmware
2015-12-18T02:30:53 < Laurenceb> holy shit epic lulz https://i.imgur.com/WUboSTv.png
2015-12-18T02:33:23 < KreAture_> mitrax it's better as client than server I think, or was it vice versa
2015-12-18T02:33:52 < kakimir> Laurenceb: gather yourself
2015-12-18T02:34:07 < kakimir> it's your fifth hour in imgur today
2015-12-18T02:34:39 < Laurenceb> yup
2015-12-18T02:34:46 < KreAture_> that is mini lol
2015-12-18T02:34:47 < Laurenceb> talking antenna?
2015-12-18T02:34:51 < KreAture_> Laurenceb this is major lol
2015-12-18T02:34:52 < KreAture_> http://www.inquisitr.com/2638705/road-runner-faux-tunnel-painted-on-wall-causes-car-crash-gets-2-3-million-views-in-6-hours/
2015-12-18T02:35:02 < Laurenceb> old
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2015-12-18T02:35:36 < Laurenceb> I would suggest 4NEC2, but it cant simulate dielectric slabs :-/
2015-12-18T02:36:11 < Laurenceb> which is kind of important for PCB properties
2015-12-18T02:36:55 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdXF4NHlsbmpkdDg/view?usp=sharing project of the night
2015-12-18T02:38:16 < KreAture_> Laurenceb you can create meshes of freefloating wires to sumulate pcb copper surfaces but yes dielectrics are harder
2015-12-18T02:38:22 < KreAture_> simulate
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2015-12-18T02:38:41 < Laurenceb> KreAture_: for something like an F antenna you need to sim the PCB
2015-12-18T02:38:50 < KreAture_Zzz> yup
2015-12-18T02:38:52 < KreAture_Zzz> I know
2015-12-18T02:39:13 < KreAture_Zzz> well, not if you run a HUGE 100mhz one
2015-12-18T02:39:21 < KreAture_Zzz> but for a 2.4GHz one definately
2015-12-18T02:39:36 < Laurenceb> unless you are Torquing group
2015-12-18T02:40:01 < Laurenceb> in which case you copy and paste random shit and stick huge IR receivers over the top of it
2015-12-18T02:41:53 < Laurenceb> I'm still surprised Torquing got as far as they did
2015-12-18T02:42:15 < Laurenceb> guess link budget is in dB, which are logarithmic
2015-12-18T02:42:35 < Laurenceb> so you can screw up enough to knock off 99% and its only 20dB down
2015-12-18T02:42:48 < KreAture_Zzz> lol
2015-12-18T02:42:52 < KreAture_Zzz> I've seen worse
2015-12-18T02:43:08 < KreAture_Zzz> I have seen products where rf connectors were not wires up
2015-12-18T02:43:13 < KreAture_Zzz> wired
2015-12-18T02:43:43 < KreAture_Zzz> it worked kinda as the connector acted like a connection to the inside of the shielded box
2015-12-18T02:43:58 < Laurenceb> heh
2015-12-18T02:43:58 < KreAture_Zzz> range was minimalistic
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2015-12-18T02:44:24 < KreAture_Zzz> The internal wiring was unsecured and vibration had made it fail
2015-12-18T02:44:28 < KreAture_Zzz> it was flapping loose
2015-12-18T02:44:50 < Laurenceb> I was trying to stick 434mhz onto one of these
2015-12-18T02:44:52 < Laurenceb> http://www.raketenmodellbau-klima.de/raketenklima/prodpic/Motor-D3-P-6-Stueck-0439_b_0.JPG
2015-12-18T02:45:08 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2015-12-18T02:45:13 < KreAture_Zzz> woooooooooooooooooosh
2015-12-18T02:45:13 < Laurenceb> its possible with 4 turn helix, but very sensitive to detuning
2015-12-18T02:45:36 < KreAture_Zzz> :)
2015-12-18T02:45:41 < Laurenceb> 868 is much easier
2015-12-18T02:45:46 < KreAture_Zzz> I imagine burning the fuel makes it detune
2015-12-18T02:46:26 < KreAture_Zzz> shielding it with ferrite won't work either as it has huge losses abowe a few mhz
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2015-12-18T02:47:00 < Laurenceb> yeah, 434Mhz has 5mhz bandwidth, 868 has 150mhz bandwidth
2015-12-18T02:47:52 < mitrax> what would you recommend as 433Mhz antenna for a remote? it's a plastic enclosure, i can either have a PCB antenna or an helicoidal antenna or some of those ceramic antenna, i need 100m range with 10dbm output
2015-12-18T02:48:03 < Laurenceb> its for a 100km amateur rocketry record attempt... if I ever get round to it
2015-12-18T02:48:15 < KreAture_Zzz> oooh you can buy antennas now for 800nm!
2015-12-18T02:48:19 < KreAture_Zzz> THz antennas
2015-12-18T02:48:59 < Laurenceb> mitrax: I'd try a ceramic antenna if you can have a largish ground plane
2015-12-18T02:49:05 < Laurenceb> like >30mm x 30mm
2015-12-18T02:49:37 < mitrax> 30x30 is doable
2015-12-18T02:49:50 < KreAture_Zzz> For using sub 100fs lasers
2015-12-18T02:49:59 < KreAture_Zzz> at 100MHz repetition rates
2015-12-18T02:50:00 < KreAture_Zzz> awsome
2015-12-18T02:50:37 < scummos> totally useful for home use
2015-12-18T02:50:58 < KreAture_Zzz> absolutely!
2015-12-18T02:51:07 < KreAture_Zzz> To have on the wall
2015-12-18T02:51:10 < Laurenceb> senselight have some cool stuff
2015-12-18T02:52:05 < Laurenceb> I mean sensel
2015-12-18T02:52:08 < Laurenceb> arg
2015-12-18T02:52:17 < Laurenceb> http://sensl.com/products/
2015-12-18T02:52:20 < Laurenceb> 3rd time lucky
2015-12-18T02:52:43 < Laurenceb> holy shit j series is new
2015-12-18T02:52:46 < Laurenceb> fapfapfap
2015-12-18T02:52:48 < mitrax> i have room for this one http://www.digikey.fr/product-search/fr?keywords=ANT-433-HESM, here's the ceramic one http://www.digikey.fr/product-detail/fr/ANT1204F002R0433A/311-1570-1-ND/3927232 but it's only 0.79dBi vs 1.9dBi for the previous one
2015-12-18T02:53:08 < Laurenceb> who cares
2015-12-18T02:53:31 < Laurenceb> that difference will be dwarfed by mismatch and stuff
2015-12-18T02:53:49 < mitrax> right
2015-12-18T02:56:04 < mitrax> on an helix antenna the front lobe is supposed to be normal to the helix axis?
2015-12-18T02:56:45 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-12-18T02:56:54 < Laurenceb> its like a compressed monopole
2015-12-18T02:58:43 < mitrax> ok i guess people naturally point at the receiver even if it's RF... so that should help :) even though i doubt it's super directionnal
2015-12-18T02:58:59 < upgrdman_> is that ipv6?
2015-12-18T02:59:02 < Laurenceb> nope
2015-12-18T02:59:08 < upgrdman_> (flyback's login line)
2015-12-18T02:59:14 < Laurenceb> pointing it at the receiver would be a bad idea
2015-12-18T02:59:14 < mitrax> upgrdman: looks like it
2015-12-18T02:59:48 < Laurenceb> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Richard_Formato/publication/272007460/figure/fig12/Fig-12-WPT-helix-radiation-pattern_small.png
2015-12-18T03:00:13 < mitrax> Laurenceb: i'm just saying that's what people tend to do
2015-12-18T03:00:24 < Laurenceb> ok
2015-12-18T03:00:28 < mitrax> Laurenceb: but with that pattern it didn't seem like an issue even if they do
2015-12-18T03:01:02 < Laurenceb> then the null will be pointing at the receiver
2015-12-18T03:01:17 < Laurenceb> unless you mount the antenna at right angles or something
2015-12-18T03:01:31 < mitrax> Laurenceb: they way the helix would be placed on the pcb it would radiate in front of you when you hold it
2015-12-18T03:01:59 < mitrax> assuming you hold it parallel to the floor :) like you do when you point at a TV to switch channels
2015-12-18T03:02:37 < KreAture_Zzz> https://youtu.be/Mtoe0aVkfxY
2015-12-18T03:02:42 < mitrax> oh well i'll experiment and see how it goes
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2015-12-18T03:03:39 < mitrax> wow
2015-12-18T03:04:32 < Laurenceb> thermal sensing elements?
2015-12-18T03:05:16 < Laurenceb> oh no lens
2015-12-18T03:05:20 < Laurenceb> not impressed
2015-12-18T03:08:41 < KreAture_Zzz> not thermal
2015-12-18T03:08:51 < KreAture_Zzz> imagine pass through, emnitter is high abowe
2015-12-18T03:09:04 < KreAture_Zzz> basically a tsa scanner
2015-12-18T03:09:10 < KreAture_Zzz> early dev
2015-12-18T03:09:47 < Laurenceb> yeah
2015-12-18T03:11:43 < mitrax> bed time!
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2015-12-18T04:38:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQ1QwS05oLTdZQ28/view?usp=sharing check this bubba
2015-12-18T04:40:19 < ReadError> blender ;(
2015-12-18T04:42:40 < kakimir> latest blender has snap to grid
2015-12-18T04:42:43 < kakimir> absolute snap
2015-12-18T04:42:59 < kakimir> makes blender usable
2015-12-18T04:50:05 < ReadError> http://www.westernjournalism.com/baltimore-professor-white-people-need-to-personally-give-all-their-money-to-black-people/
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2015-12-18T04:53:01 < kakimir> I need those brass nuts that are casted in plastic
2015-12-18T04:53:32 < kakimir> with vertical grooving
2015-12-18T04:53:38 < kakimir> or maybe
2015-12-18T04:53:41 < kakimir> knurling
2015-12-18T04:53:50 < kakimir> knurled nut
2015-12-18T04:53:59 < PeterM> you mean threaded brass inserts?
2015-12-18T04:54:17 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-18T04:54:19 < kakimir> no
2015-12-18T04:54:22 < ReadError> think he wants to use fingers?
2015-12-18T04:54:47 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/20PCS-Brass-Knurled-Nuts-Insert-Embedded-Nuts-M1-4-M1-6-M2-M2-5-M3-/171951026574?var=&hash=item280914718e:m:mQW53oKF-JCuc8krkG_EOIw
2015-12-18T04:55:05 < PeterM> yu can use your fingers... you drill a pilot hole, screw in the punch screw, and use the punch screw to drive it into the pilot hole
2015-12-18T04:55:11 < kakimir> I want to epoxy the shiet in the hole and be done with it
2015-12-18T04:55:37 < ReadError> i think those are made to be melted it
2015-12-18T04:55:47 < kakimir> threads in threads are not the best
2015-12-18T04:55:54 < ReadError> there is a tip you screw them on and its on a soldering iron type thing
2015-12-18T04:56:07 < ReadError> and you jam them into the plastic
2015-12-18T04:56:14 < ds2> you can get ones that are installed with a soldering iron
2015-12-18T04:56:17 < PeterM> http://www.theinsertcompany.com/insert_images/multi_reg_h.png these types are for being punched in - you screw a punch screw into them (to give you somethign to push down on without deforming the insert)
2015-12-18T04:56:19 < kakimir> I can heat it in if plastic is rigth kind
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2015-12-18T04:57:11 < PeterM> threads in threads?
2015-12-18T04:57:56 < ds2> http://www.stanleyengineeredfastening.com/brands/dodge/threaded-inserts
2015-12-18T04:57:57 < ds2> that stuff
2015-12-18T04:58:12 < ds2> drill the hole to the size called out
2015-12-18T04:58:22 < ds2> place insert on top and slowly press in with a hot iron
2015-12-18T04:59:38 < PeterM> why do oyu want one that specifically requires melting?
2015-12-18T04:59:49 < kakimir> I do not requires anything
2015-12-18T04:59:55 < kakimir> I take ebay brass shiet
2015-12-18T05:00:05 < kakimir> throw it in there
2015-12-18T05:00:15 < kakimir> with best epoxy
2015-12-18T05:00:43 < PeterM> insert? epoxy? the point of insert and knurling etc is so you dont need epoxy
2015-12-18T05:01:30 < kakimir> in single piece prototype
2015-12-18T05:01:37 < dongs> stibed
2015-12-18T05:01:41 < dongs> err wat
2015-12-18T05:01:48 < dongs> probly too stoned to type stoned
2015-12-18T05:02:02 < ds2> epoxy sucks
2015-12-18T05:02:32 < ds2> thermal is so much easier; it just works...use an old or cheap iron if you worry about the tips
2015-12-18T05:04:09 < ds2> epoxy means you need to be very careful not to ooze it on the threads
2015-12-18T05:05:06 < dongs> http://butthatsnoneofmybusiness.com/cookie-dough-can-explodes-in-womans-vagina-during-shoplifting-incident/
2015-12-18T05:05:10 < dongs> murica
2015-12-18T05:05:30 < PeterM> ds2 or you just get a pressfit one that is self expanding
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2015-12-18T05:06:59 < ds2> PeterM: my concern with those is the drill tolerance on them is pretty tight
2015-12-18T05:07:12 < ds2> the thermal ones I used were very forgiving in drill size
2015-12-18T05:08:14 < upgrdman> sweet. surface bro 4 arrived. drives my 4k @ 60hz with ease.
2015-12-18T05:08:21 < upgrdman> time to ebay my fagbook pro
2015-12-18T05:08:39 < PeterM> ds2 yes, that is true, but for ease of use, if you've got the right size hole they're the best option
2015-12-18T05:09:38 < PeterM> upgrdman, you gonna run the glorious redmond software suite on it, or gonna crackOSx86 that shit
2015-12-18T05:09:39 < kakimir> oh well
2015-12-18T05:09:49 < kakimir> 3d print materials are meltable anyway
2015-12-18T05:10:01 < kakimir> not single-time plastics
2015-12-18T05:10:20 < upgrdman> PeterM, windows 10 + linux mint in a VM
2015-12-18T05:10:56 < upgrdman> i need to use too much windows software (now that im a super pro ee) to just run linux full time :(
2015-12-18T05:11:07 < dongs> upgrdman: i thought you'd be returning the bro4 cuz the blacks on it are awful
2015-12-18T05:11:20 < upgrdman> no, that was the dell 2414
2015-12-18T05:11:27 < upgrdman> pro 4 is fine
2015-12-18T05:11:31 < upgrdman> oh
2015-12-18T05:11:36 < upgrdman> ya, i bought a new 4k monitor
2015-12-18T05:11:40 < kakimir> melt some of that wire to nut sperate from model an then stuff it with heat in there so no voids
2015-12-18T05:11:45 < upgrdman> lg 27". much better blacks.
2015-12-18T05:11:53 < upgrdman> was surprised. lg is usually meh
2015-12-18T05:12:05 < dongs> lol. you do realize dell panel is LG right?
2015-12-18T05:12:10 < upgrdman> i know
2015-12-18T05:12:14 < upgrdman> lg makes most panels
2015-12-18T05:12:16 < PeterM> LG make best pangles
2015-12-18T05:12:21 < upgrdman> well most ipse panels
2015-12-18T05:12:23 < PeterM> you just have to buy best quality
2015-12-18T05:12:27 < dongs> shrugging
2015-12-18T05:12:34 < dongs> you traded 10bit panel for bigger garbage
2015-12-18T05:12:37 < dongs> g/l
2015-12-18T05:12:40 < upgrdman> dongs, dunno. maybe the dell i got shouldn't have passed QA.
2015-12-18T05:13:04 < upgrdman> this lg looks much nicer to my eyes. even if it's not 10bit
2015-12-18T05:13:13 < dongs> thats cuz youre used to garbage
2015-12-18T05:13:16 < upgrdman> the backlight is also much more pleasing. not sure why.
2015-12-18T05:13:17 < dongs> wled backlight is dead to me
2015-12-18T05:13:25 < dongs> yeah, your eyes are just too used to shit.
2015-12-18T05:13:46 < dongs> the blue tint on wled is just awful
2015-12-18T05:14:19 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Honeywell/HSCMRRN005ND7A3/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvhQj7WZhFIAKVF%2fy4M%2fkMCWX%252bOCGJlwxY%3d little bit pricy but maybe for half keur glider it would not be that bad
2015-12-18T05:14:44 < dongs> Digi-Key Stock: 16
2015-12-18T05:14:51 < dongs> at least tehy dont have like a reel of them in stock @ that price
2015-12-18T05:14:59 < dongs> ah it comes in some kinda tray of 20
2015-12-18T05:15:06 < kakimir> that is like.. sensitive
2015-12-18T05:15:18 < kakimir> you could propably use it as microphone
2015-12-18T05:15:22 < upgrdman> kakimir, fart it in presence.
2015-12-18T05:15:29 < upgrdman> in its*
2015-12-18T05:15:41 < kakimir> it would sensor slightest breeze
2015-12-18T05:17:34 < kakimir> install cones to it
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2015-12-18T06:54:36 < dongs> yes
2015-12-18T06:54:46 < dongs> i coulda told you that
2015-12-18T06:55:51 < PeterM> VOCs m8
2015-12-18T06:58:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Ba3waYh.jpg
2015-12-18T06:58:10 < dongs> japs are trolling something
2015-12-18T06:58:30 < dongs> some fight broke out in parliament or hwaetver the fuck its called
2015-12-18T06:58:48 < PeterM> parliment? more like "the arena"
2015-12-18T07:00:10 < dongs> i think its  TPP related
2015-12-18T07:00:19 < dongs> audio was off and i didnt catch the original rage cause
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2015-12-18T07:08:16 < dongs> oh okay
2015-12-18T07:08:20 < dongs> the jap shit looked same then
2015-12-18T07:08:22 < dongs> nothing new
2015-12-18T07:08:23 < dongs> lol
2015-12-18T07:08:37 < dongs> is that a stamp or whatever ht otok away?
2015-12-18T07:08:54 < dongs> the japs were fighting over taking away some huge stamp from the guy who was gonna sign it
2015-12-18T07:09:19 < dongs> heh
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2015-12-18T07:22:59 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/jkzp2nv.jpg
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2015-12-18T07:24:20 < dongs> http://anandtech.com/show/9860/sony-digital-paper-system-dpts1-review/2
2015-12-18T07:24:21 < dongs> cool
2015-12-18T07:24:48 < upgrdman> that shits been around for at least a year
2015-12-18T07:24:56 < dongs> December 17, 2015
2015-12-18T07:24:58 < dongs> thank you
2015-12-18T07:25:00 < upgrdman> i was thinking of buying it, but its not marketed in the usa
2015-12-18T07:25:03 < dongs> YOUR fucking jpeg on the other hand
2015-12-18T07:25:16 < dongs> has so many compression artifacts its been through at least 20 retumblrs
2015-12-18T07:25:42 < upgrdman> dongs, notice 2014 date: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtMnEYJ1Hh8
2015-12-18T07:25:46 < upgrdman> stupid faggot
2015-12-18T07:27:00 < upgrdman> sony usa was unsure about it. iirc they only marketed it to specific groups, not the general public. e.g. they targeted law firms, etc. that use lots of paper.
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2015-12-18T07:29:39 < upgrdman> found kakimir http://i.imgur.com/hyFVMuY.jpg
2015-12-18T07:30:04 < jadew> feminists?
2015-12-18T07:30:15 < upgrdman> fuck if i know
2015-12-18T07:30:45 < jadew> or actual trolls
2015-12-18T07:30:53 < jadew> from the basement
2015-12-18T07:31:26 < jadew> night
2015-12-18T07:33:01 < ReadError> Laurenceb__ on the floor in the back?
2015-12-18T07:35:22 < upgrdman> yes
2015-12-18T07:35:24 < upgrdman> brb
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2015-12-18T08:09:49 < upgrdman> https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw013vJUXa1r72zbdo1_500.jpg
2015-12-18T08:10:09 < dongs> realyl, tumblr? whats next, youre gonna start pasting reddit links?
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2015-12-18T08:12:06 < ReadError> all the cool kids moved to VOAT
2015-12-18T08:12:09 < ReadError> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/612st9jg8pbsupb/Screenshot%202015-12-16%2022.37.36.png
2015-12-18T08:12:24 < ReadError> the SJW at reddit censor everything apparently
2015-12-18T08:16:34 < upgrdman> legit impressive  http://i.imgur.com/A0YRXfb.gifv
2015-12-18T08:17:59 < dongs> wont be making any kids anytime soon
2015-12-18T08:20:38 < upgrdman> "this kills the uturus"
2015-12-18T08:20:56 < upgrdman> uterus even
2015-12-18T08:32:35 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/pNYYIuw.webm
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2015-12-18T08:48:48 < ReadError> R2COM = total trump supporter
2015-12-18T08:56:06 < PeterM> i dunno why R2COM likes trump, trump will want to kick him out
2015-12-18T08:56:22 < PeterM> DAMN THOSE COMMIES! - Trump
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2015-12-18T08:58:03 < ReadError> i duno why anyone likes trump, besides for the luls
2015-12-18T09:03:07 < PeterM> THE GIFS
2015-12-18T09:04:02 < upgrdman> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/035/726/6f4.jpg
2015-12-18T09:06:44 < bloated> http://www.sunnyskyz.com/uploads/2015/09/enpxg-trump-guinea-pig.jpg
2015-12-18T09:06:59 < bloated> don't ask me what that is. i just found it while googling donald trump
2015-12-18T09:07:41 < PeterM> upgrdman, 10/10
2015-12-18T09:08:14 < upgrdman> :)
2015-12-18T09:13:33 < dongs> agreed @ unfunny
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2015-12-18T09:15:18 < PeterM> dongs link something funny, i need to know what real humor is
2015-12-18T09:16:03 < dongs> for sure politicaltrash isnt
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2015-12-18T09:18:47 < dongs> PeterM: ever had altidong insist on uncoloring netclasses/nets on update from schematic?
2015-12-18T09:18:54 < dongs> or is this another v16 bug
2015-12-18T09:20:30 < dongs> i dont even understand why it'd want to remove colors cuz you cant specify them from schematic
2015-12-18T09:21:03 < dongs> oh WOW
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2015-12-18T09:22:09 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/22kYVbI.png did du from pcb-.sch
2015-12-18T09:29:22 < PeterM> never - though iom on like 14.whoknowswhat
2015-12-18T09:29:57 < dongs> oh i thought you were upgrading cuz you knew 16 was out before i did
2015-12-18T09:30:40 < dongs> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/((Net+Color+Synchronization))_AD
2015-12-18T09:30:41 < dongs> aha
2015-12-18T09:30:43 < dongs> thats the new thing
2015-12-18T09:31:31 < PeterM> wow, THAT is actualyl useful
2015-12-18T09:32:04 < dongs> the net override in pcb has been around for years
2015-12-18T09:32:24 < dongs> but sync back t o schematic / set net color from schematic is new
2015-12-18T09:33:46 < PeterM> and the fact it applies to nets now not jsut traces on sch
2015-12-18T09:34:18 < dongs> well, obviosuly, since pcb color always applied to nets or netclasses
2015-12-18T09:34:23 < dongs> just coloring wires would be dumb as fuck
2015-12-18T09:34:59 < dongs> doesnt ahve a hotkey tho
2015-12-18T09:35:00 < dongs> heh
2015-12-18T09:35:25 < dongs> fuschia
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2015-12-18T09:49:48 < zyp> nice
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2015-12-18T10:13:16 < Trackk> Hello guys, I have a noob question
2015-12-18T10:13:41 < jpa-> we have noob answers
2015-12-18T10:13:44 < dongs> pretty sure the topic covers the part about asking to ask
2015-12-18T10:13:57 < dongs> for pro answers, there's #stm32PRO
2015-12-18T10:14:00 < dongs> billed per minute
2015-12-18T10:14:29 < Trackk> after programming the uC with st-link the program works perfectly fine, but after a power cycle it doesn't auto-start
2015-12-18T10:15:05 < dongs> do you actually program it: into flash
2015-12-18T10:15:50 < Trackk> how can I see where is it programming to
2015-12-18T10:16:19 < PeterM> by powercycle do you mean: unplugging the programmer and using external power? - if so, is your reset line hooked up right
2015-12-18T10:16:43 < zyp> reset line doesn't need to be hooked up to anything, it got internal pullup
2015-12-18T10:16:51 < dongs> a shitty one
2015-12-18T10:16:56 < dongs> but yeah, enough to test
2015-12-18T10:16:56 < PeterM> ^
2015-12-18T10:17:09 < Trackk> by power cycle i mean to unplug the external power and plug it again. The thing is that the program only works when i'm debugging it with the st-link
2015-12-18T10:17:57 < PaulFertser> Trackk: how do you flash?
2015-12-18T10:17:58 < dongs> look at the .map file
2015-12-18T10:18:34 < Trackk> I'm downloading the code through IAR EW and ST-Link V2
2015-12-18T10:18:50 < dongs> EW is right
2015-12-18T10:18:53 < dongs> but
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2015-12-18T10:19:01 < dongs> so look if you're on ram or flash target there
2015-12-18T10:19:49 < Trackk> what should i look inside the map
2015-12-18T10:20:10 < zyp> which addrs the code is located at
2015-12-18T10:20:27 < Trackk> ro code  0x08000000   0x184  startup_stm32f207xx.o
2015-12-18T10:20:27 < zyp> flash starts at 0x8000000, ram starts at 0x20000000
2015-12-18T10:20:59 < zyp> Trackk, so anyway, are you doing any oscillator stuff?
2015-12-18T10:21:08 < zyp> changing the clock, and so on
2015-12-18T10:22:20 < Trackk> I have an external clock of 8HMz
2015-12-18T10:22:25 < dongs> from where?
2015-12-18T10:22:40 < Trackk> hmm what do you mean from where
2015-12-18T10:22:46 < dongs> wehre is it c oming from
2015-12-18T10:22:50 < zyp> Trackk, and did you write the code to reconfigure the RCC to use it yourself?
2015-12-18T10:23:38 < Trackk> yes, it uses the external clock
2015-12-18T10:23:52 < Trackk> i've set up the clocks through the STM32CubeMx
2015-12-18T10:23:58 < dongs> oh boy
2015-12-18T10:24:00 < zyp> hmm, okay
2015-12-18T10:24:05 < zyp> I don't know cube
2015-12-18T10:24:17 < dongs> in cube, it should "just work"
2015-12-18T10:24:28 < zyp> but I do know that bugs in the clock setup stuff can get you stuck there in some situations
2015-12-18T10:24:33 < dongs> ive had this kinda garbage happen in crossstudio
2015-12-18T10:24:36 < dongs> because it uses some kinda loader
2015-12-18T10:24:40 < dongs> that checks for debugger connected
2015-12-18T10:24:45 < dongs> in debug build
2015-12-18T10:24:45 < zyp> like, right after power on, stuff might take a longer time to settle
2015-12-18T10:24:51 < dongs> so you can run the board in release by itself
2015-12-18T10:24:57 < dongs> but in debug it freezes if nothing is connected
2015-12-18T10:25:02 < zyp> so if you have a race condition there, it might give differing results between power on reset and debugger reset
2015-12-18T10:25:02 < dongs> wonder if IAR is doing same trash
2015-12-18T10:25:39 < dongs> man this jap garbage in chiba has been burning since 4am
2015-12-18T10:25:44 < dongs> > 12 hours now
2015-12-18T10:25:57 < zyp> what's burning?
2015-12-18T10:26:07 < dongs> some trash warehouse
2015-12-18T10:26:13 < Trackk> i'm just wondering if it's some pin configuration problem or if it's software related
2015-12-18T10:26:14 < zyp> heh
2015-12-18T10:26:23 < dongs> http://www.christiantoday.co.jp/articles/18204/20151218/chiba-funabashi-fire-arae-shokai.htm
2015-12-18T10:26:31 < Trackk> some configuration on BOOT0 pin
2015-12-18T10:26:35 < zyp> christian today
2015-12-18T10:26:45 < dongs> the only thing I saw about it on google news.
2015-12-18T10:26:48 < dongs> they suck for jap news
2015-12-18T10:26:51 < zyp> Trackk, do you have boot0 low?
2015-12-18T10:27:05 < dongs> oh!
2015-12-18T10:27:15 < dongs> yeah if he doenst have boot stuff hten it'll be trying toboot from ram
2015-12-18T10:27:17 < dongs> on power on
2015-12-18T10:27:36 < zyp> dongs, but would it work in debugger mode then?
2015-12-18T10:27:40 < dongs> zyp, why not?
2015-12-18T10:27:44 < dongs> debugger resets
2015-12-18T10:27:47 < dongs> and makes it run?
2015-12-18T10:28:18 < zyp> uh, I guess that depends how the debugger resets
2015-12-18T10:28:32 < zyp> debugger would need to override PC to point to flash, to make it run
2015-12-18T10:28:36 < Trackk> let me take a multimeter and have a look because i'm not very familiar with this board
2015-12-18T10:28:47 < zyp> otherwise it'll still boot to ram, where there's no code
2015-12-18T10:28:53 < dongs> hm.
2015-12-18T10:29:21 < jpa-> i had those symptoms when i was using TPIU from code, because the debugging part of the chip is powered off until debugger first connects after power-on :P
2015-12-18T10:29:33 < zyp> haha, good point
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2015-12-18T10:29:38 < zyp> same goes with semihosting
2015-12-18T10:29:44 < dongs> thats why i said
2015-12-18T10:29:52 < dongs> if iar is adding some loader stuff in debug build
2015-12-18T10:29:58 < dongs> for debug/printf/wahtever
2015-12-18T10:30:04 < dongs> that wont work wihtout shit connected.
2015-12-18T10:30:35 < dongs> oh hm
2015-12-18T10:30:41 < dongs> that article says it was a scrap >wood< yard
2015-12-18T10:30:53 < zyp> wood burns pretty well
2015-12-18T10:30:54 < dongs> but ones i saw this morning just said junk store
2015-12-18T10:31:00 < dongs> er, junk warehouse
2015-12-18T10:31:04 < dongs> like landfill-ish thing
2015-12-18T10:31:19 < dongs> yeah if its wood, thats pretty nice its still going
2015-12-18T10:31:54 < zyp> do japs just send wood to a landfill?
2015-12-18T10:32:05 < dongs> no idea
2015-12-18T10:32:09 < dongs> gonna look for real articles
2015-12-18T10:32:13 < dongs> not from ~christiantoday~
2015-12-18T10:32:40 < zyp> over here it either gets recycled or sent to be burned in an energy plant
2015-12-18T10:33:04 < dongs> one article says scrap wood
2015-12-18T10:33:06 < dongs> one says industrial waste
2015-12-18T10:33:21 < dongs> other one "stock yard"
2015-12-18T10:33:32 < dongs> hmm
2015-12-18T10:33:38 < dongs> one says 'lumps of scrap' are burning
2015-12-18T10:33:38 < zyp> good they're being consistent with the information
2015-12-18T10:33:48 < Trackk> it's not low, it's like 3V in there
2015-12-18T10:33:53 < dongs> on boot0?
2015-12-18T10:34:01 < zyp> Trackk, then that's your problem
2015-12-18T10:34:13 < jpa-> floating boot0 also makes things very fun
2015-12-18T10:34:21 < jpa-> you touch the chip, it works, then later it stops to boot
2015-12-18T10:34:21 < dongs> pro cloners first mistake
2015-12-18T10:34:30 < Trackk> so boot0 should always be on ground then?
2015-12-18T10:34:33 < dongs> nothing on boot0
2015-12-18T10:34:38 < dongs> Trackk: via 10k preferably but yea
2015-12-18T10:34:48 < jpa-> Trackk: yeah, unless you want to use bootloader
2015-12-18T10:34:52 < zyp> Trackk, depends if you want to use bootloader or not
2015-12-18T10:34:58 < jpa-> if you want bootloader, putting a button there may be a good idea
2015-12-18T10:35:01 < dongs> how about boot1?
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2015-12-18T10:35:07 < dongs> where is that on your board?
2015-12-18T10:35:13 < zyp> boot1 only matters if boot0 is high
2015-12-18T10:35:17 < dongs> well yeah
2015-12-18T10:35:26 < dongs> but might as well solve that problem too
2015-12-18T10:35:27 < zyp> if you're tying boot0 low, you don't need to care about boot1
2015-12-18T10:35:41 < Trackk> oh god, i'm so lost with this... bootloader.. that's for programming through one of the peripherals like SPI or USART right?
2015-12-18T10:35:51 < zyp> no, boot1 only chooses between bootloader and ram, neither works if you want flash
2015-12-18T10:35:56 < zyp> Trackk, correct
2015-12-18T10:36:19 < zyp> I never use it, so I always just connect boot0 directly to ground
2015-12-18T10:36:21 < Trackk> so if i am programming always through SWD then i don't need the bootloader?
2015-12-18T10:36:27 < zyp> correct
2015-12-18T10:36:39 < Trackk> is there a way I can keep both?
2015-12-18T10:36:57 < dongs> yes, to gnd via 10k, and put a pushbutton to short boot0 to vcc
2015-12-18T10:37:18 < zyp> or just a test point instead of the pushbutton
2015-12-18T10:37:48 < Trackk> okay, what I see now from the schematics of this board is that VCC is connected to a 10K then Boot0 then another resistor of 510 and then to ground
2015-12-18T10:38:27 < Trackk> and between the 510 and ground there is a jumper
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2015-12-18T10:40:44 < Trackk> so basically... if i connect the jumper then BOOT0 will be low?
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2015-12-18T10:41:45 < zyp> uh, your explanation is weird, but try that
2015-12-18T10:42:25 < Trackk> just tried, it didn't load :(
2015-12-18T10:42:54 < Trackk> what i mean is that Boot0 is at the output of  a voltage divider of 10K to VCC and 510 to Ground, with a jumper right before ground
2015-12-18T10:44:40 < zyp> then it should be low in the first place
2015-12-18T10:44:47 < zyp> which is why I mean it's weird
2015-12-18T10:44:51 < zyp> since you claim it's not
2015-12-18T10:45:16 < Trackk> the jumper by default is opened
2015-12-18T10:45:20 < Trackk> so there's no connection to GND
2015-12-18T10:46:28 < Trackk> if Boot0 is in low state, where should the memory of the program start so that it auto starts after powering it?
2015-12-18T10:46:44 < zyp> dongs, hey, how do I grab a component from an altium sch/pcb?
2015-12-18T10:47:23 < zyp> I'm editing an old design, and I want to make a copy of one of the components on it, that I can edit and use
2015-12-18T10:47:45 < zyp> I don't have the libs it was designed with
2015-12-18T10:49:33 < dongs> zyp: design->make schematic library
2015-12-18T10:49:34 < dongs> same for pcb
2015-12-18T10:49:44 < dongs> it'll make a new lib w/evefything from that design
2015-12-18T10:49:47 < dongs> then you can copypaste into your shit
2015-12-18T10:49:57 < zyp> oh
2015-12-18T10:50:06 < zyp> ah, neat
2015-12-18T10:50:17 < dongs> this works in pcb too
2015-12-18T10:50:19 < dongs> to steal footprints
2015-12-18T10:50:38 < zyp> yeah
2015-12-18T10:51:05 < zyp> I'm replacing a 16-pin connector with a 20-pin connector from the same series, don't want to redraw the footprint from scratch
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2015-12-18T10:52:10 < dongs> haha
2015-12-18T10:52:14 < dongs> the burning shit is 3500 tons of scrap
2015-12-18T10:52:21 < dongs> thats a lot of shit
2015-12-18T10:53:33 < zyp> nice
2015-12-18T10:53:34 < Trackk> argh this is not working
2015-12-18T10:59:49 < dongs> 'smell of burning rubber
2015-12-18T11:07:27 < zyp> hmm
2015-12-18T11:07:38 < zyp> pin numbers on flat flex stuff is silly
2015-12-18T11:07:55 < zyp> since some cables mirrors all the pins and some do not
2015-12-18T11:08:23 < zyp> i.e. some cables are top/top and some are top/bottom
2015-12-18T11:09:27 < Trackk> Got it working!!!! Thank you guys =)
2015-12-18T11:10:47 < dongs> what was it
2015-12-18T11:12:31 < ReadError> "an effective first print down to 20 mils"
2015-12-18T11:12:36 < ReadError> what does this even mean
2015-12-18T11:13:12 < ReadError> (solder paste)
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2015-12-18T11:21:31 < Trackk> effectively Boot0 has to be to ground and the memory starting at 0x08000000
2015-12-18T11:22:09 < Trackk> problem is that I was connecting Boot0 to ground after having the board already powered.. instead of doing it before powering it
2015-12-18T11:22:13 < Trackk> noob stuff ^^
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2015-12-18T12:24:36 < Sync_> ReadError: 20 mil apertures I'd think
2015-12-18T12:25:37 < ReadError> hmm seems kinda big
2015-12-18T12:36:11 < emeryth> should a binary compiled for F042 run on F072?
2015-12-18T12:36:51 < dongs> maybe not
2015-12-18T12:39:29 < ReadError> Dear STM32 friend,
2015-12-18T12:39:30 < ReadError> Thank you for your great interest and your feedback to our mail post  STM32 F7 workshops.
2015-12-18T12:39:30 < ReadError> Please be informed that the giveaway offer is exclusively valid for delivery in EMEA countries
2015-12-18T12:39:38 < ReadError> STM32 friend...mmmhmm
2015-12-18T12:39:40 < dongs> O W N E D
2015-12-18T12:39:43 < dongs> that means im getting it
2015-12-18T12:39:55 < dongs> hm wait
2015-12-18T12:40:01 < dongs> that means if I was in israel i'd be getting it :(
2015-12-18T12:40:02 < ReadError> europe
2015-12-18T12:40:28 < dongs> but i havent got that mail
2015-12-18T12:40:35 < ReadError> just came
2015-12-18T12:40:40 < dongs> i ordered be fore you
2015-12-18T12:49:31 < jpa-> getting what?
2015-12-18T12:49:56 < ReadError> free f7 disco
2015-12-18T12:50:52 < jpa-> ah, i got one already from Tectu :P
2015-12-18T12:51:11 < jpa-> annoying how they have removed the stlink jumpers on it
2015-12-18T13:03:02 < Sync_> ye
2015-12-18T13:03:16 < ReadError> the f7 nucleo seems nice though
2015-12-18T13:04:36 < Sync_> o0
2015-12-18T13:05:41 < ReadError> http://www.carminenoviello.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/nucleo_144_large.jpg
2015-12-18T13:05:51 < ReadError> http://www.carminenoviello.com/en/2015/12/10/stm32cubemx-4-12-reveals-nucleo-boards-144-pin-mcu/
2015-12-18T13:06:43 < Sync_> ermaze
2015-12-18T13:07:19 < celeron55> what's up with those weird header spacings; does it try to be arduino shield compatible?
2015-12-18T13:07:27 < ReadError> yea
2015-12-18T13:07:58 < ReadError> but works w/ all their other nucleo shields so that seems okay
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2015-12-18T13:37:45 < Sync_> celeron55: it is tarduino compat
2015-12-18T13:37:48 < Sync_> which is dum
2015-12-18T13:40:42 < ReadError> eh i dont see a problem with it, they still have all the other pins broken out in addition to the header
2015-12-18T13:45:03 < celeron55> well i guess it's useful when prototyping
2015-12-18T13:45:16 < ReadError> some of the sheilds are pretty good value
2015-12-18T13:45:56 < Sync_> ye
2015-12-18T13:46:04 < celeron55> availability is pretty good even if you don't care about the price
2015-12-18T13:46:35 < ReadError> they are all pretty much 10$
2015-12-18T13:46:41 < celeron55> and quality is usually fine too
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2015-12-18T13:53:30 < ReadError> ive been messing with their powerstep01 but need to get their library over on chibios
2015-12-18T14:00:50 < bloated> what's the cheapest place to buy a STM32F429 Discovery board ?
2015-12-18T14:02:16 < bloated> is there any STM32F429 board that's cheaper than a Discovery ?
2015-12-18T14:08:15 < PeterM> wheres R2COM when you have the perfect bait for him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlGsIt9fZs8
2015-12-18T14:08:29 < dongs> 55 minutes
2015-12-18T14:08:30 < dongs> whats hte tldr
2015-12-18T14:08:56 < PeterM> russian flight data recorder is very poorly designed
2015-12-18T14:09:21 < ReadError> ughhh
2015-12-18T14:09:23 < ReadError> flathead screws
2015-12-18T14:09:26 < ReadError> seriously?
2015-12-18T14:09:34 < dongs> looks like it survived, no?
2015-12-18T14:09:48 < dongs> wait
2015-12-18T14:09:48 < dongs> lol
2015-12-18T14:09:52 < dongs> is that nand flash
2015-12-18T14:09:58 < dongs> looks fucking toasted
2015-12-18T14:10:17 < PeterM> [23:08] <PeterM> russian flight data recorder is very poorly designed
2015-12-18T14:10:32 < PeterM> it got a pretty big hti to it though
2015-12-18T14:10:47 < PeterM> one corner on the bottom has massive dent you can see
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2015-12-18T14:11:30 < PeterM> http://cdn.itar-tass.com/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20151210/1117292.jpg
2015-12-18T14:12:00 < Chris_M> your quick
2015-12-18T14:12:05 < Chris_M> yeah, started watching it
2015-12-18T14:12:11 < Chris_M> don't believe its real
2015-12-18T14:13:24 < PeterM> it looks dodgy as fuck
2015-12-18T14:13:39 < PeterM> i could see it being a mock thing because russia
2015-12-18T14:13:46 < Chris_M> yerp
2015-12-18T14:13:50 < PeterM> but i could also see it beign rubbish, because russia
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2015-12-18T14:18:06 < jpa-> https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2014177773A1/en   yay, my first and hopefully last software patent
2015-12-18T14:19:04 < PeterM> not even clicking because >software >patent
2015-12-18T14:19:29 < jpa-> dunno how long it has been public, for some reason i received a letter notification of it now
2015-12-18T14:19:56 < Sync_> lol 2015 and slotted screws
2015-12-18T14:20:45 < jpa-> where?
2015-12-18T14:22:07 < PeterM> https://youtu.be/tlGsIt9fZs8?t=1994 exciting bits
2015-12-18T14:22:19 < PeterM> ie takin it out and going "yeah, shits fucked"
2015-12-18T14:23:17 < jpa-> "A computer program product for testing a display (1 ) including one or more sequences of one or more instructions"   i wish it was just 1 instruction to do it :)
2015-12-18T14:24:24 < ReadError> congrats jpa-
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2015-12-18T15:30:34 < Sync_> ReadError: the stepper stuff doesn't seem to be all bad
2015-12-18T15:30:38 < Sync_> but they are steppers
2015-12-18T15:30:39 < Sync_> so eh
2015-12-18T15:30:49 < ReadError> Sync_ so hack in encoder ;)
2015-12-18T15:30:58 < ReadError> that powerstep01 is fuckin yoked tho
2015-12-18T15:31:14 < BrainDamage> stepper is for when you cba to close the control loop
2015-12-18T15:31:34 < ReadError> BrainDamage ehhh, servos can be a pain in the dick to tune though too
2015-12-18T15:31:37 < Sync_> ReadError: doesn't really improve them
2015-12-18T15:31:47 < Sync_> bldc ftw
2015-12-18T15:32:14 < ReadError> depends on application though ;/
2015-12-18T15:33:06 < Sync_> I don't really see an app where steppers would be better
2015-12-18T15:33:14 < Sync_> they might be cheaper, that's true tho
2015-12-18T15:33:22 < ReadError> power:weight ratio
2015-12-18T15:33:26 < Sync_> wat
2015-12-18T15:34:15 < ReadError> but i guess it depends on speed etc too
2015-12-18T15:34:45 < Sync_> the only benefit steppers have is the inherent high torque
2015-12-18T15:34:58 < Sync_> otherwise bldc will provide more power per size
2015-12-18T15:35:01 < ReadError> idk, if you look at a .5kg steppers power compared to a .5kg servo, the stepper will stomp the servo in torque
2015-12-18T15:35:22 < ReadError> also voltage, stepper can be run much lower
2015-12-18T15:35:32 < Sync_> so can the bldc
2015-12-18T15:35:37 < Sync_> it will just make accel slower
2015-12-18T15:35:41 < Sync_> and max vel
2015-12-18T15:36:05 < Sync_> .5kg is not a torque
2015-12-18T15:36:15 < ReadError> no, im saying weight of the actual motor
2015-12-18T15:36:18 < Sync_> ah
2015-12-18T15:36:50 < Sync_> what the fuck of a metric is that
2015-12-18T15:37:52 < ReadError> Sync_ well im shopping for servos actually atm
2015-12-18T15:37:57 < ReadError> and its a thing ive noticed
2015-12-18T15:38:15 < Sync_> well, as I said, torque will usually be lower
2015-12-18T15:38:19 < ReadError> bldc is much heavier for similar torque
2015-12-18T15:38:38 < Sync_> due to the lower number of poles
2015-12-18T15:38:51 < ReadError> but who knows what a stepper actually does torquewise once you crank up the microsteps
2015-12-18T15:39:03 < ReadError> ive seen some crazy ass chart that at 1/16 its only 10% power
2015-12-18T15:39:22 < Sync_> well it just depends on the current you can drive through it
2015-12-18T15:39:53 < ReadError> also small frame BLDC are a pain in the dick to find ;(
2015-12-18T15:39:58 < Sync_> no?
2015-12-18T15:40:01 < ReadError> something nema17 sized or so
2015-12-18T15:40:07 < ReadError> not nearly as many option
2015-12-18T15:40:28 < Sync_> nema17 is what, 31mm flange?
2015-12-18T15:41:40 < ReadError> 22mn
2015-12-18T15:41:42 < ReadError> mm
2015-12-18T15:42:57 < Sync_> well, there is not much room to extract meaningful power
2015-12-18T15:43:07 < Sync_> with 30mm flanges you can get iirc up to 150W
2015-12-18T15:43:44 < ReadError> yes but I need something low mass
2015-12-18T15:43:45 < Sync_> for relatively cheap
2015-12-18T15:44:15 < ReadError> atleast for my X axis
2015-12-18T15:44:20 < Sync_> nah
2015-12-18T15:44:21 < ReadError> Y doesnt matter, fixed
2015-12-18T15:44:27 < Sync_> you can compensate with power in Y
2015-12-18T15:44:50 < Sync_> I'd use about a 500W servo in Y and 100-250W in X
2015-12-18T15:44:56 < ReadError> wont that just create havok?
2015-12-18T15:45:03 < Sync_> why?
2015-12-18T15:45:12 < ReadError> its on a PNP so very rapid moves
2015-12-18T15:45:21 < Sync_> so what?
2015-12-18T15:46:04 < Sync_> your mechanical system needs to be stiff enough, but on most machines beam weight is not really the kicker
2015-12-18T15:46:13 < Sync_> unless you want to get *real* fast
2015-12-18T15:46:25 < ReadError> gantry is pretty light
2015-12-18T15:47:05 < ReadError> but a 1kg motor being slammed back and forth i can see causing issues unless the frame is bolted to the floor or something
2015-12-18T15:48:02 < Sync_> a lot of old PnPs are loaded in the bottom with stuff to make them heavy
2015-12-18T15:48:13 < Sync_> but it is not uncommon to bolt hpc milling machines down
2015-12-18T15:48:33 < zyp> remember you want a motor with a big enough rotor that the torque will flip the machine
2015-12-18T15:49:01 < mitrax> PNPCOPTER!
2015-12-18T15:50:09 < Sync_> I want to make one of those reaction wheel cubes at some point
2015-12-18T15:50:14 < Sync_> they seem to be fun
2015-12-18T15:50:20 < ReadError> I really dont need a super big motor for X though
2015-12-18T15:50:31 < Sync_> depends on your placing head weight
2015-12-18T15:50:33 < ReadError> the Z axis is pretty light
2015-12-18T15:50:40 < Sync_> and the acceleration you want
2015-12-18T15:50:41 < ReadError> and i have some decent linear rails
2015-12-18T15:50:42 < mitrax> ReadError: is it a PNP you plan to put on the market or just a pet project?
2015-12-18T15:50:51 < ReadError> pet
2015-12-18T15:51:01 < Sync_> the problem usually is not the cont. power you need
2015-12-18T15:51:05 < Sync_> but the accel
2015-12-18T15:51:14 < Sync_> where you need to overcurrent the motor to get the torque
2015-12-18T15:51:21 < ReadError> once i dialed up my speed, my repeatablity is pretty great
2015-12-18T15:51:22 < Sync_> and it will cook to death if it is not overkill+
2015-12-18T15:51:34 < ReadError> i guess i was hitting resonance at lower speeds
2015-12-18T15:51:44 < ReadError> plus im using shitty 1$ drivers
2015-12-18T15:51:52 < ReadError> those DSP ones seem nice
2015-12-18T15:52:23 < Sync_> cheap too
2015-12-18T15:53:47 < Sync_> depending on your drive solution a 100W on X should be plenty
2015-12-18T15:53:53 < ReadError> you used?
2015-12-18T15:54:16 < Sync_> I have the powerstep01 nucleo thing at work and tried it once
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2015-12-18T15:56:58 < Sync_> I think faulhaber has some small bldc stuff
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2015-12-18T15:57:18 < ReadError> https://www.instagram.com/p/_b4Tw-ykUI/?taken-by=readerror67
2015-12-18T15:57:46 < ReadError> just made that, not losing steps or anything but maybe the DSP drives will sound nicer
2015-12-18T15:57:47 < Sync_> dat tearing
2015-12-18T15:58:09 < ReadError> oh, forgot to change to 60fps camera
2015-12-18T15:58:28 < Sync_> global shutter vision?
2015-12-18T15:59:07 < ReadError> nah some amazon usb camera
2015-12-18T15:59:30 < ReadError> but uses CCD lens so I put 8mm on
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2015-12-18T16:00:19 < Sync_> does openpnp already have support for vac part presence?
2015-12-18T16:00:49 < ReadError> hmm there was some talks of it
2015-12-18T16:01:06 < ReadError> he said it would be easy to add though
2015-12-18T16:01:33 < Sync_> yeah
2015-12-18T16:01:35 < Sync_> it is not that hard
2015-12-18T16:01:51 < Sync_> I still wonder how to make simple feeders
2015-12-18T16:01:54 < Sync_> probably magnetic
2015-12-18T16:02:06 < Sync_> with a pin being driven up and pulling the tape forward
2015-12-18T16:02:08 < ReadError> there are a few opensource ones coming out
2015-12-18T16:02:10 < Sync_> siplace has a pinwheel
2015-12-18T16:02:20 < ReadError> the german guy has a very cleaver design
2015-12-18T16:02:25 < Sync_> philips csm uses a pushbutton
2015-12-18T16:02:27 < Sync_> which is cool
2015-12-18T16:02:38 < Sync_> the nozzle has a prong on the other side
2015-12-18T16:02:47 < Sync_> so when it pulls up the prong comes down
2015-12-18T16:02:49 < Sync_> and pushes the pin
2015-12-18T16:02:51 < ReadError> https://www.vbesmens.de/en/pick-and-place/automatic-feeder.html
2015-12-18T16:02:52 < Sync_> advancing the tape :D
2015-12-18T16:03:14 < ReadError> yea, theres a few like that, lever actuated
2015-12-18T16:03:20 < ReadError> opensource
2015-12-18T16:03:29 < Sync_> it is the easiest for the space you have
2015-12-18T16:03:52 < ReadError> but vbesmens is clever since it just uses hobby servos and a switch to detect the holes in the tape
2015-12-18T16:04:03 < ReadError> and just pulls back the clear tape to adavance
2015-12-18T16:04:19 < Sync_> meh
2015-12-18T16:04:34 < Sync_> that will cause issues with friction and shitty tapes
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2015-12-18T16:06:06 < Sync_> it is a cheap solution tho
2015-12-18T16:06:54 < ReadError> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/openpnp/9QUzQ3I7aRc/pY2v45UsCwAJ
2015-12-18T16:07:00 < ReadError> better details about it there
2015-12-18T16:07:57 < Sync_> yeah optical is tricky
2015-12-18T16:08:11 < Sync_> that is why a lot of machines use prongs
2015-12-18T16:08:27 < ReadError> the servo stuff is super cheap to do though, i may give a spin
2015-12-18T16:08:48 < ReadError> least for all my shitty resistor/cap white tape stuff
2015-12-18T16:09:35 < Sync_> the best would probably be some prong with a magnet to pull it out
2015-12-18T16:10:07 < ReadError> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/openpnp/9QUzQ3I7aRc/uRalupHKBgAJ
2015-12-18T16:10:18 < ReadError> thats the one guys solution too, more mechanical
2015-12-18T16:10:57 < Sync_> that is the siplace idea
2015-12-18T16:12:40 < Sync_> https://vimeo.com/144454867 that is the csm idea
2015-12-18T16:14:10 < Sync_> just add a servo under it that pulls the thing in and you have a winner
2015-12-18T16:15:42 < ReadError> yea feeders and nozzle changer are the next few things i will tackle
2015-12-18T16:16:29 < Sync_> although it still needs a tape wheel
2015-12-18T16:16:45 < Sync_> although you could just couple that on there with a slipper clutch or something
2015-12-18T16:16:59 < ReadError> yea little friction should be fine
2015-12-18T16:18:29 < ReadError> the other idea was just a simple brushed DC motor wormdrive
2015-12-18T16:18:32 < ReadError> w/ the switch
2015-12-18T16:18:43 < Sync_> wormdrive = expensive
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2015-12-18T16:46:00 < kakimir> any audiofreaks around?=
2015-12-18T16:46:29 < kakimir> I wonder if 95dB is good snr for quality audio adc
2015-12-18T16:46:38 < kakimir> or should it be over 100?
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2015-12-18T16:53:08 < kakimir> so
2015-12-18T16:53:26 < kakimir> there is audio adcs with 125dB snr
2015-12-18T16:54:42 < kakimir> oh i'm looking for dac actually
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2015-12-18T16:55:16 < kakimir> 132dB snr and so on..
2015-12-18T16:55:23 < kakimir> 95dB is piss poor then
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2015-12-18T16:56:06 < gxti> why get out of bed for less than 150 db
2015-12-18T16:56:13 < BrainDamage> quantization error on a 16 bit sample is ~98dB assuming no oversampling, no fancy modulations, etc
2015-12-18T16:57:08 < BrainDamage> ( audio cds have practical -120dB quantization error thanks to sigma delta modulation )
2015-12-18T16:57:33 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0IlJc_vkZ0
2015-12-18T16:57:39 < kakimir> gxti: is there such
2015-12-18T16:58:06 < gxti> yeah but 16 bit is 70s tech. i only listen to 32 bit audio now.
2015-12-18T16:59:53 < ReadError> Sync_ http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-MITSUMI-Miniature-12V-brush-DC-motor-030-Biaxial-Motor/171585662986
2015-12-18T17:00:02 < ReadError> thats what I meant
2015-12-18T17:00:06 < ReadError> maybe a little bigger
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2015-12-18T17:03:56 < kakimir> gxti: 16bit 48000hz is just okay
2015-12-18T17:04:23 < kakimir> if it's not fucked with anything like lossy compression
2015-12-18T17:04:33 < kakimir> CD sound
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2015-12-18T17:05:38 < kakimir> da fuq I autotyped shiet
2015-12-18T17:05:42 < kakimir> not the first time
2015-12-18T17:06:42 < kakimir> without thinking I wrote PCM to youtube search
2015-12-18T17:10:38 < Sync_> those would certainly work ReadError
2015-12-18T17:10:47 < Sync_> but one has to be worried about avaliability :D
2015-12-18T17:10:52 < Sync_> and making the gear
2015-12-18T17:11:53 < kakimir> aparently if you want 3v3 and low power you cant have the best snr an the best thd
2015-12-18T17:12:30 < Sync_> not shit
2015-12-18T17:12:32 < Sync_> -t
2015-12-18T17:17:18 < kakimir> device draining battery in 2hours without load
2015-12-18T17:17:42 < kakimir> sounds something that consumer would enjoy
2015-12-18T17:18:14 < Teeed> :D
2015-12-18T17:19:58 < kakimir> connect high power semi-open headphones and it's 30mins
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2015-12-18T17:24:16 < BrainDamage> for linear devices low noise and power consumption are literally contrasting requirements
2015-12-18T17:26:58 < Sync_> yep
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2015-12-18T17:29:20 < kakimir> Okay need to have big battery compartment then
2015-12-18T17:29:38 < kakimir> 3000mAh cell will do it
2015-12-18T17:30:04 < kakimir> okay low power dac line
2015-12-18T17:30:13 < kakimir> same current!
2015-12-18T17:30:24 < kakimir> only suitable 3v3 voltages
2015-12-18T17:30:42 < kakimir> no need for step up
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2015-12-18T17:47:03 < kakimir> okay
2015-12-18T17:48:31 < kakimir> high quality bluetooth audio with wide set of profiles and codes including aptX and >16bit >48khz is an unicorn
2015-12-18T17:48:40 < kakimir> unless linux it
2015-12-18T17:49:07 < kakimir> and that would be mad
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2015-12-18T18:41:21 < upgrdman> anyone here familiar with lpcxpresso or the lpc-link2? how the fuck do i connect under reset with it? i misconfigured the watchdog, the mcu keep fucking itself over, and it can't connect. lol.
2015-12-18T18:41:57 < ReadError> i just know how to hit the button in flashmagic ;(
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2015-12-18T18:47:00 < Sync_> pffffft
2015-12-18T18:47:29 < Sync_> nobody sells ABS specific solenoid drivers
2015-12-18T18:53:55 < Sync_> oh
2015-12-18T18:54:12 < Sync_> DK started stocking freescales, err NXPs stuff
2015-12-18T18:54:51 < upgrdman> ok, isp mode fixed my problem. cool.
2015-12-18T18:55:08 < upgrdman> abs? the plastic?
2015-12-18T18:55:49 < Sync_> no, antilock brakes
2015-12-18T18:57:40 < Sync_> stuff like MC34SB0410 upgrdman
2015-12-18T18:57:52 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-18T19:02:14 < Sync_> those are pretty cool
2015-12-18T19:16:46 < upgrdman> is there an NVIC command to disable/reenable all interrupts?
2015-12-18T19:16:57 < upgrdman> s/command/function or register
2015-12-18T19:18:07 < Laurenceb> yes
2015-12-18T19:18:16 < upgrdman> what is it :)
2015-12-18T19:18:17 < Laurenceb> _cli or something
2015-12-18T19:18:23 < Laurenceb> in CMSIS
2015-12-18T19:25:32 < upgrdman> oh. __set_BASEPRI()
2015-12-18T19:25:34 < upgrdman> cool
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2015-12-18T20:08:24 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx4db_YOfuA
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2015-12-18T20:24:59 < Tectu> How TI ships books:  http://images.wasted.earth/uploads/big/eb768ef505695ab9d12f6ae0768e17d6.JPG
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2015-12-18T20:33:15 < ReadError> Tectu freesamplebook?
2015-12-18T20:33:46 < Tectu> ReadError, nah
2015-12-18T20:33:51 < jpa-> Tectu: doesn't seem too strange
2015-12-18T20:34:03 < Tectu> ReadError, the ebook (PDF) is free, the paper version is 5$
2015-12-18T20:34:16 < Tectu> jpa-, familiar, isn´t it
2015-12-18T20:34:44 < jpa-> ee's familiar, the pocket reference?
2015-12-18T20:34:51 < jpa-> does it also suck blood from your neck?
2015-12-18T20:36:36 < Tectu> jpa-, not sure what you´re reffering to
2015-12-18T20:37:14 < jpa-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Familiar
2015-12-18T20:38:01 < Tectu> lol
2015-12-18T20:38:42 < jpa-> "assists in doing magic"  yeah it checks out
2015-12-18T20:45:09 < Steffanx> *dongs magic
2015-12-18T20:51:21 < ReadError> any kicad pros
2015-12-18T20:51:39 < ReadError> i just want to make a stencil but dont know how use
2015-12-18T20:53:08 < Steffanx> #kicad
2015-12-18T20:54:15 < upgrdman> seems so obvious after the fact... you can't debug if the watchdog is active. fuck me.
2015-12-18T20:54:46 < upgrdman> "WHY IS THIS SHIT SUDDENLY UNABLE TO DEBUG!?!?!!?" oh. that's why. :/
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2015-12-18T21:05:12 < bloated> i think you should be able to use jtag ?
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2015-12-18T21:12:32 < upgrdman> but if you pause execution of code... the watchdog will trigger a reset
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2015-12-18T21:20:36 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: but OpenOCD uses proper DBGMCU bits by default, doesn't it work for you? What target?
2015-12-18T21:21:58 < upgrdman> this is some lpc trash im doing for work.
2015-12-18T21:22:10 < PaulFertser> Ah
2015-12-18T21:22:15 < PaulFertser> Thought about stm32
2015-12-18T21:22:37 < upgrdman> ya, reasonable enough assumption :)
2015-12-18T21:22:53 < PaulFertser> OpenOCD supports most LPC trash too, in case the target has something similar to those DBGMCU watchdog bits it'd be easy to integrate.
2015-12-18T21:23:01 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-12-18T21:23:10 < upgrdman> any idea is the lpc link 2 works in oocd?
2015-12-18T21:23:44 < PaulFertser> It sort of works when you use CMSIS-DAP compatible firmware.
2015-12-18T21:23:49 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-18T21:23:49 < PaulFertser> Or you can use any other SWD adapter.
2015-12-18T21:24:14 < upgrdman> problem is my coworkers are all using this stuff, so if i change how i do it, they'll cry when they need to collaborate.
2015-12-18T21:24:36 < upgrdman> and i dont want to be tech support for oocd, etc :)
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2015-12-18T21:25:11 < PaulFertser> Heh
2015-12-18T21:25:46 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: a correction: a jlink-compatible firmware for lpc link 2
2015-12-18T21:25:53 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-18T21:29:17 < PaulFertser> Apparently, CMSIS-DAP compatible firmware exists too, so one might want to try both.
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2015-12-18T21:54:57 < ReadError> so bloggers
2015-12-18T21:54:59 < ReadError> http://www.banggood.com/TS100-Digital-OLED-Programable-Interface-DC-5525-Soldering-Iron-Station-Built-in-STM32-Chip-p-984214.html
2015-12-18T21:55:03 < ReadError> y/n ?
2015-12-18T21:55:19 < ReadError> it was more expensive, but $55 im kinda thinking like ehhhhh
2015-12-18T21:57:27 < Tectu> so write your app for your flipping soldering iron
2015-12-18T21:57:29 < Tectu> such marketing
2015-12-18T21:58:00 < ReadError> ehh i dont care about that
2015-12-18T21:58:10 < ReadError> it just looks like a decent battery iron
2015-12-18T21:58:25 < ReadError> the thermaldonics isnt portable
2015-12-18T22:04:48 < Laurenceb> meanwhile in an Islamic country http://i.imgur.com/B1HM2Sq.jpg
2015-12-18T22:05:17 < ReadError> shes not islamic??
2015-12-18T22:05:27 < Laurenceb> hacking it
2015-12-18T22:05:39 < Laurenceb>  == FGM am I right
2015-12-18T22:05:42 < ReadError> oh like muff muncher
2015-12-18T22:17:59 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CZoABBMQ6f4#t=379
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2015-12-18T22:37:20 < kakimir> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/12055542/Norway-launches-campaign-to-give-Finland-a-mountain.html
2015-12-18T22:38:00 < kakimir> ReadError: wow what is that!
2015-12-18T22:38:45 < ReadError> wot is wat m8
2015-12-18T22:39:23 < kakimir> that oled bling
2015-12-18T22:39:30 < kakimir> m8
2015-12-18T22:39:36 < kakimir> need it
2015-12-18T22:40:05 < Getty> sadly cant seem to get it at german distributors
2015-12-18T22:40:11 < Getty> would be like perfect last minute xmas present for dad ;)
2015-12-18T22:40:25 < kakimir> what is that heater element in it?
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2015-12-18T22:42:44 < ReadError> kakimir heater is in the tip
2015-12-18T22:43:01 < ReadError> they have schematics and source code too
2015-12-18T22:44:27 < kakimir> but they have ripped it from something
2015-12-18T22:44:33 < kakimir> maybe?
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2015-12-18T22:45:17 < kakimir> I don't believe in solderin stations in 2015
2015-12-18T22:45:30 < kakimir> it's all that integrated control for now on
2015-12-18T22:47:21 < kakimir> and some big ass psu
2015-12-18T22:48:36 < zyp> you haven't used a real nice soldering station then
2015-12-18T22:48:54 < kakimir> what is the difference?
2015-12-18T22:49:14 < kakimir> you can have equal control in handle
2015-12-18T22:49:31 < kakimir> or even better with mems and toggle button on shiet
2015-12-18T22:51:18 < kakimir> I know pro gear have the shiet too
2015-12-18T22:52:40 < kakimir> with proper elite price tag
2015-12-18T22:57:15 < kakimir> only real justification being quality of heater-sensor combination and well balanced pid controller
2015-12-18T22:59:15 < kakimir> and in that turd any arduino hacker can tune the pid control
2015-12-18T23:02:46 < Getty> my dads soldering station is like a very old one, but it never failed on him
2015-12-18T23:03:11 < Getty> he had bought some high tech modern ones with control and stuff, but he dont uses them
2015-12-18T23:03:20 < Getty> if you know your device, nothing can beat that
2015-12-18T23:03:32 < Getty> i still would try all new stuff on him ;) he might like it!
2015-12-18T23:03:53 < kakimir> he wont
2015-12-18T23:04:13 < kakimir> :D
2015-12-18T23:04:50 < kakimir> or maybe something like that thing
2015-12-18T23:04:58 < kakimir> totally new kind
2015-12-18T23:07:01 < zyp> kakimir, how would you even fit the control electronics in one of the small solder pens?
2015-12-18T23:07:06 < zyp> like the JBC NAST
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2015-12-18T23:09:27 < kakimir> use cool fets
2015-12-18T23:10:34 < kakimir> throw some coil in there
2015-12-18T23:11:02 < kakimir> mlcc caps
2015-12-18T23:11:12 < kakimir> gate driver
2015-12-18T23:11:28 < kakimir> connect mcu of your choise
2015-12-18T23:11:44 < kakimir> pretty much done
2015-12-18T23:13:44 < kakimir> is there some magic components inside that require whole seperate enclosure?
2015-12-18T23:14:42 < kakimir> it's relic of times with big one sided pcb with all thru hole components
2015-12-18T23:17:38 < kakimir> how about psu size?
2015-12-18T23:18:00 < kakimir> has it changed much from 80s or so?
2015-12-18T23:18:21 < zyp> how are you suggesting to power it?
2015-12-18T23:18:38 < kakimir> laptop psu
2015-12-18T23:18:51 < kakimir> 19V 5A
2015-12-18T23:18:58 < zyp> so you're going to replace one box with another box?
2015-12-18T23:19:01 < zyp> for what purpose?
2015-12-18T23:19:37 < kakimir> let me think
2015-12-18T23:20:13 < kakimir> it's easier to move around and use anywhere
2015-12-18T23:20:22 < kakimir> just throw it around
2015-12-18T23:20:48 < kakimir> you don't really move 2.5kg soldering staion around
2015-12-18T23:20:56 < kakimir> it's where it sits
2015-12-18T23:21:25 < kakimir> you don't pull it of cable to follow you
2015-12-18T23:25:09 < zyp> sure I do
2015-12-18T23:25:48 < kakimir> me too
2015-12-18T23:35:25 < upgrdman> ReadError, Mike did a video on shit like that recently
2015-12-18T23:35:49 < upgrdman> and he said usb powered ones were way underpowered for ~everything
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2015-12-18T23:36:33 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDMhh3p2nuM
2015-12-18T23:37:01 < upgrdman> lol. he covered the ts100 too.
2015-12-18T23:38:41 < aandrew> dont' know about you guys but I want the actual handle of the soldering iron to be as nimble and light as possible
2015-12-18T23:38:52 < aandrew> put all the electronics and regulation shit elsewhere
2015-12-18T23:39:12 < upgrdman> i want an iron that can do SMD and 10awg wire. and not be super expensive.
2015-12-18T23:39:21 < upgrdman> hakko 888 fits my needs well
2015-12-18T23:40:13 < kakimir> I happen to lack solderin station
2015-12-18T23:40:30 < kakimir> I drive seperate heads with my lab supply
2015-12-18T23:40:42 < kakimir> those set around 500degrees celsius
2015-12-18T23:41:01 < kakimir> just fine for 0603
2015-12-18T23:41:24 < kakimir> caps change color too
2015-12-18T23:44:14 < karlp> mitrax: oh, yeah, sts bit counting is weird, sorry I didn't think of that when I was talking to you earlier with your weird problems :|
2015-12-18T23:44:26 < karlp> (you did say that the register values were the same as the st setup though ;)
2015-12-18T23:59:10 < upgrdman> so is there a "cleaner" way to get atomic sections of code other than with ARM's BASEPRI register to mask interrupts?
2015-12-18T23:59:37 < upgrdman> like atomic comparison functions or atomic increment functions, etc. ?
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2015-12-19T00:05:27 < zyp> ldrex/strex
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2015-12-19T00:14:40 < PeterM> kakimir, if oyu dont believe in sodleirng stations, it is pretty easy to make a temp controlled high (ish) power ironfrom hakko 951 tips that will shit all over a hakko 888
2015-12-19T00:14:48 < PeterM> even chinese clone 951 tips will
2015-12-19T00:16:19 < kakimir> I think I have those
2015-12-19T00:16:30 < kakimir> like a pile of those
2015-12-19T00:16:52 < PeterM> the tip has 3 connecitons, aground, heater + and temp connection, resistance between heater+ and gnd is something like 7.7ohms, and gnd to temp is a ntc/ptc with 1k resistance
2015-12-19T00:17:17 < PeterM> the heater is integrated into the tip making really good connection
2015-12-19T00:17:49 < PeterM> chinese clones tips are liek $4, legit hakko ones are lke $15 so either way, its cheap
2015-12-19T00:18:11 < PeterM> you could drive it off a 19v laptop supply and still get 60~w
2015-12-19T00:18:12 < upgrdman> 951 looks sweet but wtf is it with knobless stations.
2015-12-19T00:18:14 < kakimir> I have those shittes
2015-12-19T00:18:28 < kakimir> prety powerful and supprisingly robust
2015-12-19T00:18:34 < kakimir> the heater
2015-12-19T00:18:34 < PeterM> fuck the actual station upgrdman all of those things cost like $9999
2015-12-19T00:18:42 < kakimir> I have exceeded everything with it
2015-12-19T00:18:53 < kakimir> and material and all it still ok
2015-12-19T00:18:53 < PeterM> make your own its simple as shit
2015-12-19T00:19:11 < upgrdman> PeterM, 10k? the fx951 is $252.
2015-12-19T00:19:19 < PeterM> (well, not $9999, its like $500 for somethign that should be $80)
2015-12-19T00:19:21 < kakimir> 30volts 500degrees celsius
2015-12-19T00:19:47 < PeterM> upgrdman, yeah
2015-12-19T00:20:07 < kakimir> I was ready to throw one to bin and take new one every time I soldered
2015-12-19T00:20:17 < kakimir> still using that first shiette
2015-12-19T00:21:03 < PeterM> i tihkn that is just for bare station, fm-2028 handle is liek another $70
2015-12-19T00:21:35 < PeterM> but still, i would recommend 951 clone/diy > any other cheap station
2015-12-19T00:23:17 < PeterM> i think a 951 tip, + 2x 26650s or 4x 18650s could make a very nicely sized portable iron with lots of grunt
2015-12-19T00:25:19 < PeterM> iirc the TS100 uses modified 951 tips that are shorter but otherwise the same
2015-12-19T00:25:33 < PeterM> they should have just mounted the body of the tip further down i nthe handle...
2015-12-19T00:26:04 < upgrdman> reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-synchronous
2015-12-19T00:26:11 < upgrdman> "Compared to other digital clocking topologies like system-synchronous clocks, where a global clock source is fed to all devices in the system, a source-synchronous clock topology can attain far higher speeds."
2015-12-19T00:26:30 < PeterM> also whatsa with usign big hunking iron aws the power supply in soldeirng irons these days? they're just a heater, you dont care if your heater has ripple, you're not goign to notice...
2015-12-19T00:26:34 < upgrdman> why would source sync be faster than global clock sync?
2015-12-19T00:27:17 < PeterM> because the clock would skew with the  data and always allign?
2015-12-19T00:27:41 < upgrdman> but the data is always aligned to global clock, wouldn't that be the fastest possible clock?
2015-12-19T00:27:48 < upgrdman> if the data*
2015-12-19T00:28:12 < PeterM> yeah but then you have to have a global clock that maintains its integrity and skew accross the entire syste
2015-12-19T00:29:03 < upgrdman> oh ok. so it's just because you dont have to deal with the worse parasitics / realities for a single clock across longer distances?
2015-12-19T00:31:23 < PeterM> thats opne advantage another is you can choose a clock that works very fast between those two devices that is only for that interface, so oyu dont need to worry about everything else keepign up
2015-12-19T00:31:40 < trepidacious_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propagation_delay
2015-12-19T00:32:17 < upgrdman> PeterM, ok. makes sense.
2015-12-19T00:32:25 < upgrdman> trepidacious_, ya im well aware of that :)
2015-12-19T00:33:27 < trepidacious_> :)
2015-12-19T00:35:49 < upgrdman> i remember my 486 motherboard. so spaced out. ram was like a 500mm from the cpu
2015-12-19T00:36:44 < upgrdman> why isn't package-on-package more popular? i see it on the ras pi... but it seems like most fpgas would benefit from this too.
2015-12-19T00:37:12 < upgrdman> and pcb designers would be so much happier too. fucking squiggly traces.
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2015-12-19T00:55:58 < karlp> heh, my f7 got approved, thanks scrts :)
2015-12-19T00:57:40 < zyp> so that's how you get around export restrictions? :p
2015-12-19T01:00:12 < upgrdman> f7 is restricted?
2015-12-19T01:02:32 < zyp> iceland is restricted
2015-12-19T01:02:41 < kakimir> how is dual side dick and place done so that pieces do not fall of?
2015-12-19T01:02:45 < kakimir> in space?
2015-12-19T01:03:24 < upgrdman> what does a "link regsiter" contain? address of where the current function should return to?
2015-12-19T01:03:35 < karlp> zyp: well, it hasn't actualy _got_ here yet ;)
2015-12-19T01:03:46 < karlp> but I got an email from them saying that promo thing was approved
2015-12-19T01:03:54 < kakimir> glue?
2015-12-19T01:03:56 < upgrdman> kakimir, dual reflow.
2015-12-19T01:04:13 < zyp> or glue
2015-12-19T01:04:16 < upgrdman> the first side is reflowed. the components will then stay on due to surface tension
2015-12-19T01:04:23 < zyp> but yeah, dual reflow works fine
2015-12-19T01:04:24 < upgrdman> assuming nothing heavy or weird shaped
2015-12-19T01:04:38 < kakimir> if you dont dick with those boards when heated
2015-12-19T01:04:43 < kakimir> and that
2015-12-19T01:04:58 < zyp> well, duh, it's in the oven
2015-12-19T01:05:04 < zyp> you don't dick with shit in the oven
2015-12-19T01:05:18 < upgrdman> double sided smd is usually done on a conveyer. it's not like some hobbyist in their kitchen
2015-12-19T01:05:22 < ds2> you can also play the jeweler game and use different temp solder on each side
2015-12-19T01:05:44 < upgrdman> do jew-lers use different solders?
2015-12-19T01:06:08 < ds2> silver solder comes in a range of temperature so they can solder sub assemblies together
2015-12-19T01:08:28 < zyp> upgrdman, I've done double sided at home, np
2015-12-19T01:09:05 < upgrdman> cool
2015-12-19T01:09:23 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/PogIK.png http://bin.jvnv.net/f/kgGn6.png
2015-12-19T01:09:23 < ds2> zyp: what kind of oven are you using?
2015-12-19T01:09:36 < zyp> 24 decoupling caps on bottom, bga on top
2015-12-19T01:09:43 < zyp> did bottom first, then top
2015-12-19T01:10:01 < zyp> ds2, T-962
2015-12-19T01:10:04 < upgrdman> would it really hurt signal integrety to put those caps on the top, near the chips?
2015-12-19T01:10:33 < zyp> upgrdman, it was mostly the fact that it was convenient to put it on the bottom
2015-12-19T01:10:46 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-19T01:10:47 < ds2> so a bit more control then a common toaster, zyp?
2015-12-19T01:10:53 < zyp> fpga has all 1.8V pads in center and 3.3V pads in a ring around it
2015-12-19T01:11:01 < zyp> ds2, yeah, it has some program shit that it follows
2015-12-19T01:11:28 < zyp> so I just run one of the default programs and shit's been turning out good every time
2015-12-19T01:11:39 < kakimir> interesting
2015-12-19T01:11:41 < zyp> and it haven't caught on fire yet either
2015-12-19T01:11:54 < kakimir> I wondered if there was play with temperature
2015-12-19T01:11:55 < zyp> so it was an okay purchase
2015-12-19T01:12:07 < ds2> <-- eye balls + $20 toaster oven
2015-12-19T01:12:40 < zyp> I guess that would work as well, but I'm too lazy to sit monitoring it
2015-12-19T01:13:00 < kakimir> is that ld1117?
2015-12-19T01:13:08 < zyp> better to just throw in shit and go do something else for seven minutes until it beeps when it's done
2015-12-19T01:13:16 < ds2> getting distracted gives you browned boards :D
2015-12-19T01:13:21 < zyp> it's some 1117, yes
2015-12-19T01:13:29 < zyp> oh, and it's 1.2V, not 1.8V
2015-12-19T01:13:32 < zyp> IIRC
2015-12-19T01:13:46 < kakimir> I feel like I have seen this board
2015-12-19T01:14:09 < zyp> it's been a while since I started on that project, so I've talked about it multiple times
2015-12-19T01:14:18 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/v0OjW.JPG
2015-12-19T01:14:24 < kakimir> do you have webpage?
2015-12-19T01:14:36 < zyp> nah, I'm too lazy to maintain webpages
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2015-12-19T01:15:01 < kakimir> I think I saw exactly like that logic analyzer board somewhere
2015-12-19T01:15:22 < zyp> logic analyzer?
2015-12-19T01:15:23 < kakimir> it had some oldish fpga
2015-12-19T01:15:31 < zyp> it's a spartan3a
2015-12-19T01:15:48 < kakimir> it was to be connected as extension to some baseboard
2015-12-19T01:15:54 < zyp> correct
2015-12-19T01:16:08 < zyp> so you've heard me talk about it before
2015-12-19T01:16:09 < kakimir> is this same board?
2015-12-19T01:16:13 < zyp> yes
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2015-12-19T01:26:56 < kakimir> I have seen exactly same concept
2015-12-19T01:27:19 < kakimir> it was some 2008 legacy
2015-12-19T01:27:24 < kakimir> or so
2015-12-19T01:28:26 < kakimir> same shape of board 45degree fpga and buffer chips
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2015-12-19T01:45:22 < kakimir> have you shown photos of it connected to baseboard?
2015-12-19T01:57:16 < kakimir> fukken hypnosis... cant tell my internet memmories apart from each other
2015-12-19T02:03:12 < kakimir> http://hackaday.com/2008/12/11/how-to-programmable-logic-devices-cpld/ I have saved this turd to my archives.
2015-12-19T02:03:53 < kakimir> rs232 for bulk data.. I have not been okay
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2015-12-19T02:04:33 < kakimir> there seems to be or there have been a whole hobbyist scene around fpga's
2015-12-19T02:04:37 < kakimir> fpgas
2015-12-19T02:05:17 < kakimir> around 2005-2010 very strong
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2015-12-19T02:05:43 < karlp> it was the only option for anything micro/realtime once you got bigger than avr/pic ;)
2015-12-19T02:06:04 < karlp> now we just through more cpu power at it.
2015-12-19T02:07:33 < kakimir> and those were better times
2015-12-19T02:07:37 < kakimir> better chips
2015-12-19T02:07:43 < kakimir> lot of crunch
2015-12-19T02:07:51 < kakimir> now mcu peasant scene
2015-12-19T02:08:12 < kakimir> lot of crunch - price and wattage
2015-12-19T02:08:35 < kakimir> I have saved also this http://minila.sourceforge.net/index.php
2015-12-19T02:08:56 < kakimir> not healthy for 2015 project
2015-12-19T02:09:56 < kakimir> I remember my first and last fpga
2015-12-19T02:10:42 < kakimir> 30eur chip solderbridged so hard and then I knifed it and then all the copper and then to electronics bin
2015-12-19T02:14:58 < kakimir> I have been internet arguing 5hours straight.. what a day
2015-12-19T02:15:07 < kakimir> *night
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2015-12-19T02:24:04 < kakimir> what is BPZ ?
2015-12-19T02:24:40 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/H15jn
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2015-12-19T02:35:12 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/6XUWzA7.gifv
2015-12-19T02:37:27 < upgrdman> this didnt end how i wanted it to http://i.imgur.com/w3HktLH.gifv
2015-12-19T02:40:46 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/k0EQeE6.jpg
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2015-12-19T02:54:31 < jadew> do you guys have any suggestions for a 3 channel PSU?
2015-12-19T02:55:04 < jadew> less than $1k
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2015-12-19T03:00:51 < kakimir> rigol?
2015-12-19T03:01:09 < jadew> that one has always been on the table
2015-12-19T03:01:17 < jadew> the reason it's not on mine tho is because it's too big
2015-12-19T03:01:32 < jadew> 45 cm deep is huge
2015-12-19T03:01:59 < jadew> I really like the big screen tho
2015-12-19T03:02:04 < jadew> and I hate the keypad :/
2015-12-19T03:02:16 < jadew> they might as well went for an old style phone dial
2015-12-19T03:02:18 < kakimir> maybe in future
2015-12-19T03:02:34 < jadew> http://www.w3.org/2013/04/dial/dial.jpg
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2015-12-19T03:02:44 < jadew> that's what I see when I look at it
2015-12-19T03:02:46 < kakimir> there is actual power supplies seperate and can be placed under the desk
2015-12-19T03:03:04 < jadew> what do you mean?
2015-12-19T03:03:30 < kakimir> or even general supplies that
2015-12-19T03:03:55 < kakimir> you buy bigass power unit and place it under the desk or to backroom
2015-12-19T03:04:28 < kakimir> and then wire it power multiple devices on the desk
2015-12-19T03:05:08 < kakimir> that are like flat or slim
2015-12-19T03:05:40 < kakimir> utilizing voltage rails of that supply unit
2015-12-19T03:07:08 < kakimir> and those units on the desk are simplified and controlled with computer
2015-12-19T03:07:17 < kakimir> via ethernets
2015-12-19T03:07:28 < jadew> I kinda want a stand alone PSU that can do 3 variable and isolated channels
2015-12-19T03:07:29 < kakimir> and stackable also
2015-12-19T03:07:53 < jadew> currently if I work with a bipolar circuit I have to wire two PSUs in series
2015-12-19T03:08:27 < jadew> that means I'm wasting space on the desk for 2 PSUs
2015-12-19T03:08:49 < jadew> and that I have an annoying wire between the two
2015-12-19T03:08:51 < jadew> and no tracking
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2015-12-19T03:09:03 < kakimir> are outputs isolated?
2015-12-19T03:09:08 < jadew> yeah
2015-12-19T03:09:16 < jadew> and I managed to short the output through my scope because of that shitty wire
2015-12-19T03:09:42 < kakimir> what fried?
2015-12-19T03:09:52 < jadew> thought the circuit needed more current to bootstrap so I pushed more amps into it :/
2015-12-19T03:10:04 < jadew> nothing fried, but it sucks that I did that
2015-12-19T03:10:23 < jadew> I wouldn't have done that if I had a proper supply
2015-12-19T03:11:45 < kakimir> B&K precision?
2015-12-19T03:11:56 < jadew> it's 1k+
2015-12-19T03:12:19 < jadew> I was considering this: http://ro.farnell.com/keithley/2231a-30-3/power-supply-3ch-30v-3a-adjustable/dp/2444841
2015-12-19T03:12:26 < jadew> but the specs are not that great really...
2015-12-19T03:12:42 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/Power/Power-Supplies/Bench-Top-Power-Supplies/_/N-dqmv7Zscv7?P=1yx5k7s&Ns=Pricing|0
2015-12-19T03:12:51 < kakimir> mouser has poor selection
2015-12-19T03:14:31 < jadew> the BK precision one is an ITECH IT6322B
2015-12-19T03:15:03 < jadew> may be available cheaper, but I couldn't find it
2015-12-19T03:16:27 < kakimir> is farnell or mouser right place to buy gear?
2015-12-19T03:16:37 < jadew> farnell
2015-12-19T03:16:45 < jadew> already checked their offers
2015-12-19T03:16:55 < jadew> agilent power supplies in this price range are LOL
2015-12-19T03:17:02 < kakimir> right place is to buy whatever is cheapest
2015-12-19T03:17:14 < jadew> it's not just that
2015-12-19T03:17:16 < kakimir> and delivers like boom
2015-12-19T03:17:16 < jadew> they have stocks
2015-12-19T03:17:34 < jadew> yeah, from farnell I get my order in ~2 days
2015-12-19T03:17:55 < jadew> I asked a local distributor for a quote and they were cheaper but the lead time was 6-7 weeks
2015-12-19T03:19:49 < kakimir> :d
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2015-12-19T04:21:35 < upgrdman> hi
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2015-12-19T04:43:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cJNPkCU.jpg
2015-12-19T04:43:22 < dongs> pro
2015-12-19T04:45:04 < englishman> nice
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2015-12-19T05:38:03 < kakimir> is huge space squid controlling and overlording our world?
2015-12-19T05:42:36 < dongs> http://imgur.com/gallery/tovkV real japan facts
2015-12-19T05:45:41 < scrts> I've seen extremely good raves in the Tokyo clubs for like past 5 years
2015-12-19T05:45:46 < scrts> they couldn't be illegal...
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2015-12-19T05:59:00 < upgrdman> dongs, re: those jap facts. "most streets in japland have no name." true? how the fuck do you navigate or give dErections?
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2015-12-19T06:02:14 < kakimir> where there good e?
2015-12-19T06:03:55 < upgrdman> anyone know of a good collection of desktop backgrounds? i can find tons of them, but theyre all very "busy" and "distracting" ... i want low key or low contrast. interesting but not distracting.
2015-12-19T06:05:21 < PeterM> upgrdman, i just stick wiht the good ole lightish blue
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2015-12-19T06:15:07 < ReadError> upgrdman ya saw mikes review on it
2015-12-19T06:15:29 < ReadError> still contemplating getting hrm
2015-12-19T06:47:48 < jadew> R2COM, yeah, I'm starting to lean towards the DP832
2015-12-19T06:47:57 < jadew> do you have it?
2015-12-19T06:49:07 < jadew> can you please measure it with out the bumpers please?
2015-12-19T06:49:26 < jadew> I'm afraid it may take up too much space
2015-12-19T06:49:35 < jadew> (I'm only interested in the depth
2015-12-19T06:49:36 < jadew> )
2015-12-19T06:50:48 < jadew> the datasheet says 418mm
2015-12-19T06:50:57 < jadew> but it's not clear if that's with or without the bumpers
2015-12-19T06:52:19 < jadew> that's 7 cm longer than the longest instrument on my bench and that one reaches the wall
2015-12-19T06:56:28 < ReadError> 38-39cm
2015-12-19T06:56:29 < ReadError> or so
2015-12-19T06:57:00 < jadew> thanks
2015-12-19T06:57:32 < jadew> I guess I could get that and re-do my bench
2015-12-19T06:59:38 < jadew> I need some shelves
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2015-12-19T07:01:57 < jadew> yeah, I wouldn't mind it if it didn't fit the shelve
2015-12-19T07:02:05 < jadew> but as it is now it would eat out of my working space
2015-12-19T07:02:15 < jadew> since I have all my instruments stacked
2015-12-19T07:02:24 < jadew> and this would obviously end at the bottom
2015-12-19T07:02:26 < ReadError> its pretty big
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2015-12-19T07:02:52 < jadew> yeah, they should have tried to make it smaller
2015-12-19T07:02:58 < jadew> I'm sure it would have been possible
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2015-12-19T07:03:23 < ReadError> well i imagine most lab enviroments arent very space constrained
2015-12-19T07:03:32 < jadew> that's true
2015-12-19T07:04:30 < jadew> check out this guy's lab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi_O8lu5SvY
2015-12-19T07:08:24 < jadew> makes you wonder wth he's doing
2015-12-19T07:10:35 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/vF5FwCe.png
2015-12-19T07:10:43 < ReadError> i like that board holding thing
2015-12-19T07:10:50 < ReadError> not the 3rd hand, the thing thats on it
2015-12-19T07:11:14 < jadew> oh, yeah, that looks nice
2015-12-19T07:11:52 < jadew> I have one of these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Cellphone-Mobile-Phone-PCB-Fixtures-Repairing-Circuit-Boards-Holder-Tool-UK-/261373015157
2015-12-19T07:11:55 < jadew> it sucks
2015-12-19T07:12:33 < jadew> was useful on a few occasions
2015-12-19T07:12:35 < ReadError> ya seen those, didnt look very good
2015-12-19T07:12:43 < ReadError> his looks very legit
2015-12-19T07:12:56 < jadew> yeah, looks good
2015-12-19T07:13:21 < jadew> I think I'm going to install shelves today
2015-12-19T07:13:47 < jadew> they're going to look weird tho
2015-12-19T07:16:17 < jadew> I think the problem is that I can't commit to the electronics lab look
2015-12-19T07:16:39 < jadew> with shelves all over the place, looking like they're going to fall all over you
2015-12-19T07:17:22 < jadew> I have a big desk with stuff on it and shelves in the back
2015-12-19T07:17:33 < jadew> the walls are clear
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2015-12-19T08:28:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/00ahtGe.png
2015-12-19T08:28:33 < upgrdman> dongs, http://imgur.com/r/blackpeoplegifs/nfzw2ZA
2015-12-19T08:34:36 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/r/CatGifs/654Ihi1
2015-12-19T08:37:11 < ReadError> haha
2015-12-19T08:38:05 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/r/CatGifs/8V92DHm
2015-12-19T08:42:38 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/r/CatGifs/olqtJ7G
2015-12-19T08:42:40 < ReadError> how the hell
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2015-12-19T08:46:15 < PeterM> because you're looking at /r/catgifs ffs
2015-12-19T08:47:38 < upgrdman> dongs, you need this on your desk  https://youtu.be/Qx1OSlsICmU?t=66
2015-12-19T08:49:15 < dongs> needs a caption "pulsating dongs"
2015-12-19T08:49:27 < upgrdman> yes
2015-12-19T08:49:45 < upgrdman> R2COM, you have a dp832? seen this?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er8fZJbYfZ4
2015-12-19T08:49:58 < dongs> isnt that ancient as fuck
2015-12-19T08:50:09 < upgrdman> 9 months.
2015-12-19T08:50:19 < dongs> seen it and didnt care.
2015-12-19T08:50:27 < dongs> wahtever i measured on mine wasnt affecting anything I did with it
2015-12-19T08:50:39 < upgrdman> ya i know youve seen it
2015-12-19T08:50:43 < upgrdman> i think you tweeted it to me
2015-12-19T08:50:44 < dongs> R2PRO too
2015-12-19T08:50:53 < upgrdman> but i wasnt sure about r2com. that why i said r2com.
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2015-12-19T09:10:31 < ReadError> hmmm
2015-12-19T09:10:49 < ReadError> i did fuck something up soldering while the dp832 was powered
2015-12-19T09:10:59 < ReadError> it zapped and turned off
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2015-12-19T09:17:24 < PeterM> ReadError, probably not, jsut GFI/RCD
2015-12-19T09:18:06 < ReadError> well i didnt reset anything, i pulled the fuse thinking i burned it, was fine, put it back in, and it turned on
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2015-12-19T11:44:28 < Fleck> any ideas what could cause this noise(or signal) appear on SPI1 lines for F4-Disco using CUBE HAL? http://imgur.com/svxPqRh Tried chibios - no such noise :/
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2015-12-19T11:50:16 < Fleck> hmm, everytime fsmc writes are ongoing, I get noise on MISO line
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2015-12-19T12:45:17 < trepidacious> Fleck: Are the SPI lines alternate pins for FSMC stuff? You could juat have the wrong alternate configuration
2015-12-19T12:48:39 < Fleck> nope
2015-12-19T13:01:39 < dongs> Fleck: did you check schematic to  see if there's other crap on those pins
2015-12-19T13:01:51 < dongs> i recall a few peripherals on F4disco being unusable without cutting traces
2015-12-19T13:02:21 < dongs> also, eww saleae
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2015-12-19T13:10:42 < Fleck> even different ports
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2015-12-19T13:11:48 < Fleck> and FSMC works ... kindof ;D
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2015-12-19T15:17:06 < dongs> Day changed to 15 Dec 2015
2015-12-19T15:17:08 < dongs> err.
2015-12-19T15:17:10 < dongs> https://twitter.com/dakami/status/648741098999840768
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2015-12-19T16:45:33 < jadew> man... moving my monitors is such a weird change
2015-12-19T16:45:42 < jadew> it's like I can't find the right angle anymore
2015-12-19T16:45:54 < jadew> (trying to make room for the DP832
2015-12-19T16:45:58 < jadew> )
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2015-12-19T16:57:52 < jubatus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g8rlFP0J8c
2015-12-19T16:59:20 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/gcW6oKb
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2015-12-19T17:00:10 < kakimir> should I not buy bnc terminators from ebay?
2015-12-19T17:00:17 < kakimir> ôr should I?
2015-12-19T17:11:11 < kakimir> 1.13eur a piece.. I take 10
2015-12-19T17:22:54 < jadew> they're fine
2015-12-19T17:23:03 < jadew> for low freq anyway
2015-12-19T17:23:52 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-19T17:24:00 < kakimir> I wonder when I need to buy 6ghz gear
2015-12-19T17:24:16 < kakimir> atm. I'm around 100mhz
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2015-12-19T17:31:25 < kakimir> I think it's better to stay around that
2015-12-19T17:34:57 < kakimir> everything gets expensives and specialized when going above that
2015-12-19T17:35:19 < kakimir> or some fuzzy line of frequency anyways
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2015-12-19T17:48:08 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/j2Cly5.gif
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2015-12-19T18:02:24 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUGT30gGtiI&feature=youtu.be
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2015-12-19T18:24:00 < kakimir> lauranceBee is controlled by huge space squid
2015-12-19T18:25:04 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/H0jxN49.jpg
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2015-12-19T18:54:17 < jadew> I know a guy who looks exactly like the center top guy in that nu-male photo
2015-12-19T18:58:50 < jadew> I look like this: http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/26231516150837823/7E08A9CF5BD76293F2B963E53D74B401736D124E/
2015-12-19T19:01:39 < Laurenceb_> lol
2015-12-19T19:02:48 < PaulFertser> Brothers of metal know no masters. Metal's our religion. Take it to the grave!
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2015-12-19T19:30:14 < kakimir> sometimes I think pixel art avatars are cool
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2015-12-19T19:30:40 < kakimir> I'm going to cut all my hair of tommorow
2015-12-19T19:30:44 < kakimir> off
2015-12-19T19:31:20 < kakimir> then polish what is revealed under
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2015-12-19T19:32:54 < kakimir> shieet i dont feel goos about it
2015-12-19T19:33:52 < karlp> mmm, time to go eat rotten things.
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2015-12-19T20:11:44 < emeb> lutefisk?
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2015-12-19T20:52:50 < jpa-> emeb: nah, icelanders consider lutefisk to be too lame for them    http://satwcomic.com/nordics-like-fish
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2015-12-19T20:57:00 < emeb> jpa-: so what do fins eat that's weird?
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2015-12-19T20:58:19 < jpa-> well pickled herring is very common here also
2015-12-19T20:58:46 < emeb> jpa-: my (german)  mother loves the pickled herring too. I never got into that.
2015-12-19T20:58:55 < jpa-> and i guess some people consider eating huge pork legs at christmas weird also.. atleast when my sister tried to buy one at germany :)
2015-12-19T20:59:44 < emeb> jpa-: she's also big on the limburger cheese. that stuff will really stink the place up.
2015-12-19T21:00:46 < emeb> eh. nothing weird about that.
2015-12-19T21:01:34 < jpa-> but yeah, our christmas foods are pretty normal by european standards
2015-12-19T21:01:51 < emeb> tasty reindeer?
2015-12-19T21:02:19 < jpa-> sometimes that also yeah, uk people get angry
2015-12-19T21:02:43 < emeb> "how will santa pull his sleigh if the fins have eaten the reindeer?"
2015-12-19T21:03:20  * emeb has wondered about the difference between caribou and reindeer.
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2015-12-19T21:04:36 < jpa-> you only wonder about santa until we bring in the main course ;)
2015-12-19T21:05:06 < emeb> which is so tasty one forgets, or so horrible that one passes out?
2015-12-19T21:05:27 < jpa-> main course is santa ;)
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2015-12-19T21:05:31 < mtbg> hi
2015-12-19T21:05:31 < emeb> har
2015-12-19T21:05:39 < emeb> lotta meat on dem bones
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2015-12-19T21:34:10 < upgrdman> old but good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYAMDhVT50I&feature=youtu.be
2015-12-19T21:41:11 < upgrdman> neat  http://alpha.wallhaven.cc/wallpaper/288524
2015-12-19T21:46:59 < emeb> yeow!
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2015-12-19T21:59:19 < Fleck> ping barthess
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2015-12-19T22:35:08 < upgrdman> does windows 10 have any screen recording stuff built in?
2015-12-19T22:38:43 < __rob> theres the game recorder stuff
2015-12-19T22:38:48 < __rob> windows key + g
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2015-12-19T22:47:43 < scummos> press print screen really fast
2015-12-19T22:49:49 < kakimir> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16860226/does-c-hold-the-carry-about-bit-from-a-or-a-bit-shift
2015-12-19T22:49:57 < kakimir> anything to say to this
2015-12-19T22:50:03 < kakimir> concidering cortex chips
2015-12-19T22:50:19 < kakimir> is there alias for such operation?
2015-12-19T22:53:35 < zyp> you probably need to use intrinsics
2015-12-19T22:54:21 < kakimir> sounds fucking hard
2015-12-19T22:54:43 < zyp> waste of time mostly
2015-12-19T22:54:55 < zyp> until you're in the optimization stage of a tight loop
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2015-12-19T23:06:22 < karlp> actually tonight wasn't the rotten shark, but similarly treated stingray, it's worse, and it's smell sticks on your clothes
2015-12-19T23:14:27 < kakimir> what are you talking about
2015-12-19T23:14:33 < kakimir> is this poetry?
2015-12-19T23:18:24 < karlp> sort of, if you read about it in this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6XEveXwf6s
2015-12-19T23:21:06 < karlp> it's really similar to korean hongeo apparently.
2015-12-19T23:21:33 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbYqznD0R5M
2015-12-19T23:24:46 < zyp> it's amusing what people eat
2015-12-19T23:26:09 < karlp> meh, once a year, wouldn't do it if family wasn't hosting it.
2015-12-19T23:26:39 < zyp> traditions die hard
2015-12-19T23:29:02 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutefisk <- I think this is the weirdest common thing people eat in norway
2015-12-19T23:29:06 < zyp> also a tradition
2015-12-19T23:29:33 < zyp> my family never had that though, so I don't think I've actually ever tasted it
2015-12-19T23:29:41 < zyp> feel no need to either :)
2015-12-19T23:29:42 < karlp> you've got rakfisk too right?
2015-12-19T23:29:50 < zyp> yeah, never tasted that either
2015-12-19T23:29:53 < zyp> I think
2015-12-19T23:30:12 < karlp> I nearly gagged on the first mouthful tonight, but then it's ok when you get going.
2015-12-19T23:30:24 < zyp> haha
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2015-12-19T23:38:06 < emeb> Mean things to do to perfectly good fish.
2015-12-19T23:38:37 < emeb> This is the 21st century - we have refrigeration and no longer need to eat rotten stuff.
2015-12-19T23:39:16 < zyp> :)
2015-12-19T23:39:48 < Laurenceb_> yeah but this is the EU
2015-12-19T23:39:56 < Laurenceb_> so we have to throw them all back in the sea
2015-12-19T23:42:11 < emeb> It's our contention that spicy food from tropical regions is spicy precisely to disguise the taste of rotting meat.
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2015-12-19T23:49:12 < zyp> emeb, haha
2015-12-19T23:52:42 < zyp> hmm, I'm wonder how hard it's to get my hands on some of this shit: http://www.microsemi.com/document-portal/doc_view/135100-vsc7449-sparx-iv-product-brief
2015-12-19T23:52:47 < zyp> probably super expensive
2015-12-19T23:53:38 < karlp> emeb: that criticism is valid for the norwegians and co, but the skate and the shark are actually inedible before you rot them.
2015-12-19T23:54:52 < emeb> karlp: makes sense - too much cartilage or something?
2015-12-19T23:55:17 < emeb> zyp: surprised that vitesse is still a thing.
2015-12-19T23:55:40 < zyp> microsemi bought them
2015-12-19T23:56:54 < emeb> we used some Vitesse GaAs gate arrays back in the early 90's. strange stuff.
2015-12-19T23:58:24 < zyp> that switch architecture seems neat though
2015-12-19T23:58:39 < zyp> and I want a silent switch with more than two 10G ports
2015-12-19T23:59:12 < zyp> not much point in a switch with only two ports ;)
2015-12-19T23:59:23 < emeb> imagine that.
2015-12-19T23:59:55 < zyp> http://routerboard.com/CRS210-8G-2SplusIN <- this would be so much more useful if it had two more
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2015-12-20T00:00:14 < zyp> but for the time being, two will do
2015-12-20T00:00:33 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/ggrevolt/src/1450136584916.jpeg I lolld
2015-12-20T00:00:40 < zyp> since as of today, I only have two machines with 10G NICs
2015-12-20T00:00:43 < Laurenceb_> weev has fallen so far
2015-12-20T00:01:37 < karlp> emeb: no, they don't have a kidney, so the flesh is running with urea or something, letting it decompose while buried turns it into "now edible, just" instead of, "you're gonna die"
2015-12-20T00:01:51 < zyp> haha
2015-12-20T00:02:42 < karlp> I don't have anything with 10gig, and I think only _maybe_ one thing with even 1gig ports...
2015-12-20T00:02:45 < emeb> karlp: heh - reminds me of olives. Inedible as found on the tree. You need to process them with harsh chemicals or weeks of water leaching to make them tasty.
2015-12-20T00:03:10 < zyp> isn't cashew nuts also like that?
2015-12-20T00:03:19 < emeb> I've always wondered - who was the first person to try that and what circumstances led to them trying?
2015-12-20T00:18:31 < celeron55> probably some similar that made people figure out fermentation and such
2015-12-20T00:19:40 < celeron55> stuff like that is kind of common in the making of edible things and variations of edible things
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2015-12-20T00:42:54 < Fleck> using CUBE HAL, FSMC and SPI1 on F4-Disco I get this in MISO line (also I get noise in other SPI lines), ideas whats wrong? Not happening when using the same wiring/setup and chibios
2015-12-20T00:43:28 < Fleck> http://imgur.com/6tGVMiA
2015-12-20T00:44:49 < Fleck> SPI barely works... many errors in values etc... :D
2015-12-20T00:44:51 < fenugrec> Fleck have you enabled all relevant periph clocks, verified alternate function selection for the SPI pins
2015-12-20T00:45:03 < Fleck> I guess so
2015-12-20T00:45:04 < fenugrec> set "output speed" for those pins
2015-12-20T00:45:19 < Fleck> yep, tried diff values
2015-12-20T00:45:26 < Fleck> low speed = worse noise ;D
2015-12-20T00:45:30 < fenugrec> of course
2015-12-20T00:45:52 < fenugrec> and your chibios setup works cleanly, correct ?
2015-12-20T00:46:19 < Fleck> http://pastebin.com/QHDexA4f
2015-12-20T00:46:36 < Fleck> yep, on chibios there is no noise at all :/
2015-12-20T00:47:31 < fenugrec> I'm familiar with neither. But if you run your chibios build, inspect all the relevant GPIO registers, and compare to their values when running the CUBE build, you're certain to find the discrepancy.
2015-12-20T00:47:56 < fenugrec> why a pull-up if the pin mode is pushpull ?
2015-12-20T00:48:29 < Fleck> copy/paste from examples
2015-12-20T00:48:35 < Fleck> but I tried nopull and pulldown :D
2015-12-20T00:50:33 < fenugrec> with HAL, isn't there a function to pre-fill a new "GPIO_Initstruct" ? it seems you're using the same for both GPIOA and GPIOC
2015-12-20T00:51:25 < fenugrec> so maybe something goes wrong since the .Alternate field is already set with gpioa garbage when you init gpioc. I'd investigate that
2015-12-20T00:51:49 < Fleck> ok let me make new struct quick...
2015-12-20T00:53:42 < Fleck> nope - same, and I think I looked at source - AF info is used only when mode is AF_PP or AF_OD
2015-12-20T00:55:53 < Fleck> also examples use the same struct often
2015-12-20T00:57:57 < fenugrec> ok, was worth a shot. I'd still compare actual register contents between the two
2015-12-20T00:58:09 < Fleck> yeah, will have to do that :D
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2015-12-20T01:38:44 < MightyPork> hi, designing my first board. What pins should I put on a SWD connector? SWDIO, SWCLK, GND, what else? nRST? SWO? (trying to make it minimal but to be able to program over it)
2015-12-20T01:40:10 < Fleck> check some disco board sch?
2015-12-20T01:40:26 < Fleck> like F4 has SWD
2015-12-20T01:40:32 < Fleck> F4-Discovery
2015-12-20T01:41:20 < zyp> MightyPork, minimal is swdio, swclk and gnd, proper adds vcc, nrst and swo
2015-12-20T01:41:38 < zyp> I recommend going with a standard footprint
2015-12-20T01:42:17 < MightyPork> Fleck: they do, but discovery has a 6-1 header. not sure it's the correct one
2015-12-20T01:42:24 < zyp> the standard 10pin connector is pretty small as it is, and if you want it smaller, get a tag connect and use their standardized TC2030 footprint
2015-12-20T01:42:30 < MightyPork> hm ok. was trying to save space
2015-12-20T01:42:55 < MightyPork> pin? got link? I can find only 12-pin ones
2015-12-20T01:43:01 < MightyPork> 10. sry numlock
2015-12-20T01:43:08 < Fleck> hey zyp, maybe you have some thoughts on my case? ;D
2015-12-20T01:43:14 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/NjEyT.JPG <- here's a board I've made with the tag connect footprint
2015-12-20T01:43:41 < zyp> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf <- and here's arm's spec on the standard connector
2015-12-20T01:44:03 < zyp> Fleck, hmm?
2015-12-20T01:44:21 < zyp> still the spi stuff?
2015-12-20T01:44:28 < Fleck> yep ;(
2015-12-20T01:44:30 < MightyPork> zyp thanks, that'll do the trick. couldn't fit 2x6 there but 2x5 will work
2015-12-20T01:44:40 < Fleck> few days with this problem, no luck yet ;D
2015-12-20T01:44:51 < zyp> MightyPork, note that it's 50mil pitch, not 100mil
2015-12-20T01:44:54 < zyp> so it's super small
2015-12-20T01:45:16 < zyp> Fleck, what's the pin names?
2015-12-20T01:45:23 < zyp> PXy
2015-12-20T01:45:36 < Fleck> PA5, PA6 and PA7
2015-12-20T01:46:31 < zyp> and you're aware they are hooked to the onboard accelerometer?
2015-12-20T01:46:43 < zyp> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/user_manual/DM00039084.pdf <- as per page 22
2015-12-20T01:46:50 < Fleck> yep
2015-12-20T01:46:58 < Fleck> as said - works great on chibios
2015-12-20T01:47:02 < Fleck> same setup
2015-12-20T01:47:10 < Fleck> so it's not wiring/setup
2015-12-20T01:47:13 < Fleck> it's code ;D
2015-12-20T01:47:44 < zyp> well, I haven't used cube, so I can't really help you with cube weirdness :)
2015-12-20T01:48:08 < zyp> so, what are you using those pins for?
2015-12-20T01:48:22 < Fleck> for lcd touch
2015-12-20T01:48:33 < zyp> spi touch controller?
2015-12-20T01:48:37 < Fleck> yep
2015-12-20T01:49:00 < zyp> hmm
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2015-12-20T01:49:09 < zyp> you mentioned FSMC? got a memory hooked up?
2015-12-20T01:49:27 < Fleck> well, kindof, LCD is the RAM :)
2015-12-20T01:49:31 < zyp> right
2015-12-20T01:49:44 < MightyPork> zyp know if there's some recommended resistors for the port? I am finding conflicting info on google
2015-12-20T01:49:46 < zyp> did you use the FSMC with chibios as well?
2015-12-20T01:49:56 < zyp> MightyPork, I never use any, works fine
2015-12-20T01:49:58 < Fleck> zyp: yep
2015-12-20T01:50:11 < zyp> MightyPork, IIRC the chip got all the recommended ones built in
2015-12-20T01:50:46 < zyp> Fleck, okay, so what are you doing with PE3 (FSMC_A19)?
2015-12-20T01:50:54 < zyp> it's also the CS line for the onboard accel
2015-12-20T01:51:08 < MightyPork> oh, nice. less parts are always a good thing
2015-12-20T01:51:30 < zyp> if it's somehow set to FSMC AF by cube, it'll enable the onboard accel which will then shit on your MISO
2015-12-20T01:51:45 < zyp> so make sure it's held deasserted
2015-12-20T01:51:49 < Fleck> manyally - nothing zyp
2015-12-20T01:52:05 < zyp> are you certain? have you probed it with the LA?
2015-12-20T01:52:44 < Fleck> I don't have PE3 connected
2015-12-20T01:53:29 < Fleck> looking at scope to PE3 - nothing, just pullup
2015-12-20T01:53:52 < Fleck> see some minimal noise
2015-12-20T01:54:11 < zyp> you don't have it connected, but it's connected to the chip select line of the onboard accel
2015-12-20T01:54:29 < zyp> you need to make sure chip select remain deasserted
2015-12-20T01:54:39 < zyp> so the accel shuts up
2015-12-20T01:54:54 < Fleck> deasserted - what is that? Let me read... :D
2015-12-20T01:55:32 < zyp> it's opposite of asserted :p
2015-12-20T01:55:51 < zyp> asserted means «at an active level», so deasserted is consequently at an inactive level
2015-12-20T01:56:13 < zyp> chip select lines are usually active low, so you need it to stay high permanently
2015-12-20T01:56:26 < Fleck> it's high here
2015-12-20T01:56:38 < zyp> always?
2015-12-20T01:56:38 < Fleck> ahh I got it
2015-12-20T01:56:41 < Fleck> sec
2015-12-20T01:57:11 < Fleck> http://pastebin.com/t4jVgCu3
2015-12-20T01:57:26 < Fleck> I did this cause I thought mems is messing up the line
2015-12-20T01:58:11 < zyp> yes, and make sure cube isn't reconfiguring it to FSMC AF later
2015-12-20T01:58:56 < Fleck> GPIO_InitStruct.Pin = GPIO_PIN_0 | GPIO_PIN_1 | GPIO_PIN_4 | GPIO_PIN_5 | GPIO_PIN_7 | GPIO_PIN_8 | GPIO_PIN_9 | GPIO_PIN_10 | GPIO_PIN_11 | GPIO_PIN_14 | GPIO_PIN_15;
2015-12-20T01:59:05 < Fleck> looks like I do skip it
2015-12-20T01:59:17 < zyp> okay
2015-12-20T01:59:19 < zyp> idk then
2015-12-20T01:59:28 < zyp> if cube doesn't work for you, don't use cube? :p
2015-12-20T01:59:43 < Fleck> :D
2015-12-20T02:00:26 < karlp> huh, looks like this nodemcu thing migh thave been working the whole time, just had a flaky usb hub that kep failing, and seeing "MEMCHECKFAIL!!!" at 115200 on reset was irrelevant, it's happily responding at 9600 baud.
2015-12-20T02:00:31 < karlp> who the fuck uses 9600 baud...
2015-12-20T02:00:34 < Fleck> I will now compare RCC regs, maybe I find something
2015-12-20T02:00:41 < Fleck> arduino does karlp
2015-12-20T02:01:08 < Fleck> thanks zyp, for try! :)
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2015-12-20T03:18:03 < kakimir> movie recommends?
2015-12-20T03:19:19 < upgrdman> the rock
2015-12-20T03:19:53 < jadew> 1996?
2015-12-20T03:20:03 < kakimir> no I dont want to see human shaped muscle
2015-12-20T03:20:06 < kakimir> that is not me
2015-12-20T03:20:25 < kakimir> https://www.instagram.com/therock/
2015-12-20T03:20:49 < kakimir> fukken my mx master scroll wheel button has issues
2015-12-20T03:20:56 < kakimir> tackile feel is gone
2015-12-20T03:21:07 < kakimir> it's just solid
2015-12-20T03:21:26 < jadew> what kind of movie do you want to see?
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2015-12-20T03:24:15 < kakimir> supah agent
2015-12-20T03:24:37 < jadew> john wick
2015-12-20T03:24:40 < kakimir> meets mystical world
2015-12-20T03:24:48 < jadew> hmm
2015-12-20T03:24:53 < kakimir> with vivid characters
2015-12-20T03:25:32 < kakimir> but not too much "super"
2015-12-20T03:25:35 < kakimir> just super
2015-12-20T03:26:09 < kakimir> and less there is cgi explosions the better
2015-12-20T03:26:21 < jadew> ninja
2015-12-20T03:26:55 < kakimir> I don't really mind ninjas
2015-12-20T03:27:02 < kakimir> I there should not be zombies
2015-12-20T03:27:11 < jadew> not sure if that's what it was called tho
2015-12-20T03:27:27 < jadew> give me a sec, I want to re-watch it too
2015-12-20T03:28:19 < kakimir> what happend in it
2015-12-20T03:28:43 < jadew> you want me to spoil it for you?
2015-12-20T03:29:34 < jadew> ok, so there's one called Ninja Assassin from 2009, but that's not the one I had in mind
2015-12-20T03:29:43 < jadew> I saw that one too, was ok I think
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2015-12-20T03:31:38 < kakimir> too muh action
2015-12-20T03:31:57 < kakimir> too much falling from the roof
2015-12-20T03:32:05 < kakimir> too much automatic weapon fire
2015-12-20T03:32:34 < jadew> then just go for one of the super agent movies of this year
2015-12-20T03:33:58 < jadew> kingsman (2014)
2015-12-20T03:34:25 < kakimir> very nice
2015-12-20T03:34:45 < jadew> you saw it?
2015-12-20T03:34:51 < kakimir> of course
2015-12-20T03:36:39 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/GuessThatGender/
2015-12-20T03:37:30 < jadew> pff.. easy
2015-12-20T03:38:02 < jadew> they're all easy
2015-12-20T03:38:40 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/mRCLXIa.jpg
2015-12-20T03:38:53 < jadew> 42
2015-12-20T03:39:17 < jadew> or maybe a bit more
2015-12-20T03:39:37 < jadew> give me another one
2015-12-20T03:39:55 < jadew> oh wait
2015-12-20T03:39:56 < jadew> gender!
2015-12-20T03:39:58 < jadew> not age
2015-12-20T03:40:16 < jadew> come on... the gender is obvious in all of them
2015-12-20T03:41:09 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/Di2pEZ.jpg
2015-12-20T03:41:22 < jadew> lol
2015-12-20T03:41:23 < kakimir> did you slip your photo in there LauranceBee?
2015-12-20T03:43:44 < jadew> check out what I ordered last night: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331681030692
2015-12-20T03:43:54 < jadew> super cheap
2015-12-20T03:44:05 < jadew> I'm going to make a case for it and always keep it on the bench
2015-12-20T03:44:44 < jadew> I'm tired of always having to look up the datasheet of the 2N2222
2015-12-20T03:44:55 < kakimir> I made an enclosure for the bigger one
2015-12-20T03:45:07 < jadew> which one?
2015-12-20T03:45:13 < jadew> and how did it turn out?
2015-12-20T03:45:17 < jadew> pics :D
2015-12-20T03:45:25 < kakimir> sorry I dont have pics
2015-12-20T03:45:27 < kakimir> lost url
2015-12-20T03:45:29 < kakimir> and
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2015-12-20T03:45:42 < kakimir> case is in 3d print house
2015-12-20T03:46:04 < jadew> ah
2015-12-20T03:46:08 < jadew> you have a printer?
2015-12-20T03:46:18 < kakimir> nope
2015-12-20T03:46:26 < kakimir> I don't think I will even get one
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2015-12-20T03:46:44 < jadew> why?
2015-12-20T03:46:46 < kakimir> you can print a shit pile of stuff in that price
2015-12-20T03:47:06 < jadew> hmm, I remember there was a 3d printer location service
2015-12-20T03:47:11 < jadew> that's what you're using?
2015-12-20T03:47:34 < kakimir> no I have local dudes
2015-12-20T03:48:19 < jadew> I should find some too
2015-12-20T03:49:41 < kakimir> what was that first contact movie
2015-12-20T03:49:48 < kakimir> where aliens send plans
2015-12-20T03:49:53 < kakimir> to build shiet
2015-12-20T03:49:56 < jadew> contact
2015-12-20T03:50:00 < jadew> with jodie foster
2015-12-20T03:50:02 < kakimir> and then the woman goes in that device
2015-12-20T03:50:14 < jadew> yeah
2015-12-20T03:50:19 < jadew> it's one of my fav. movies
2015-12-20T03:50:27 < jadew> if you're into that, check Epoch
2015-12-20T03:50:44 < jadew> there are 2 movies
2015-12-20T03:52:43 < kakimir> of that series or seperate movies with shared name?
2015-12-20T03:53:02 < jadew> there's an original and a sequel
2015-12-20T03:53:38 < jadew> both ok
2015-12-20T03:54:34 < jadew> and if you haven't seen it, cocoon
2015-12-20T03:54:48 < jadew> and the abyss
2015-12-20T03:55:24 < jadew> I guess I'll rewatch contact
2015-12-20T03:56:12 < kakimir> those 90's 3d graphics scare me
2015-12-20T03:56:23 < kakimir> and visualization
2015-12-20T03:57:03 < jadew> some had some decent special effects
2015-12-20T03:57:50 < jadew> I'm gonna re-watch 12 monkeys
2015-12-20T03:57:54 < jadew> no
2015-12-20T03:58:01 < jadew> I have to be focused on what I'm doing
2015-12-20T03:58:14 < jadew> I'll watch an episode of married with children
2015-12-20T04:03:53 < kakimir> 12monkeys too 90's
2015-12-20T04:08:44 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSy1pUFdKSTQzWHc/view?usp=sharing done for the night
2015-12-20T04:18:11 < Laurenceb_> https://cock.li/transparency/2015-12-15-subpoena/
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2015-12-20T04:37:11 < kakimir> nite laura
2015-12-20T04:37:15 < kakimir> nite dongs
2015-12-20T04:37:35 < kakimir> nite guys>
2015-12-20T04:37:49 < jadew> night
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2015-12-20T04:51:55 < dongs> haha
2015-12-20T04:51:59 < dongs> im currently residing in romania
2015-12-20T04:52:01 < dongs> jadew found
2015-12-20T04:52:08 < dongs> the mastermind behind cock.li
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2015-12-20T05:16:59  * Laurenceb_ sends to feminists  http://jcs.biologists.org/content/joces/s3-90/9/13.full.pdf
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2015-12-20T05:49:14 < upgrdman> fucking VLC crashes when trying to do a screen recording :/
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2015-12-20T06:43:24 < Getty> upgrdman: OBS
2015-12-20T06:43:30 < Getty> oh gone
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2015-12-20T08:04:26 < upgrdman> no chatz? :(
2015-12-20T08:05:03 < emeb_mac> none. never
2015-12-20T08:08:59 < ReadError> upgrdman think imma try that solder resist method on metal stencil
2015-12-20T08:09:13 < ReadError> the laminate stuff
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2015-12-20T08:23:38 < upgrdman> are there any good free video editors for windows?
2015-12-20T08:36:19 < PeterM> are there any good free video editors?
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2015-12-20T09:08:45 < upgrdman> PeterM, iMovie is surprising awesome. it's one of the things i miss from os x
2015-12-20T09:09:24 < upgrdman> well i got a demo for Premiere Elements. will try it out see if i can justify $70 for it.
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2015-12-20T09:40:50 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/L7ncAf6
2015-12-20T09:44:34 < upgrdman> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCISeCZAFC8
2015-12-20T09:46:22 < PeterM> the noise he makes
2015-12-20T09:46:37 < PeterM> aieuwuewuewuewuewue
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2015-12-20T09:51:14 < upgrdman> :)
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2015-12-20T10:10:17 < upgrdman> what's the name for this type of ac power connector? not the usa connector, but the other end. it's very common, but not the IEC kind.
2015-12-20T10:10:18 < upgrdman> http://www.dhresource.com/albu_363353764_00-1.0x0/new-ac-power-cable-cord-for-sony-playstation.jpg
2015-12-20T10:14:55 < jpa-> upgrdman: IEC-C7
2015-12-20T10:15:47 < upgrdman> ahh thanks!
2015-12-20T10:16:30 < jpa-> i used the pro method: google image search for "two pin ac connector"
2015-12-20T10:17:08 < upgrdman> super pro.
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2015-12-20T11:30:49 < artag> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320
2015-12-20T11:32:03 < zyp> the C15/C16 stuff is annoying
2015-12-20T11:32:10 < zyp> I've got a switch with those
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2015-12-20T13:09:20 < dongs> xbox 360 power supplies eh
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2015-12-20T13:28:58 < upgrdman> iec-c7 for audiophools  http://www.amazon.com/Audioquest-NRG-1-AUDIOQUEST-C-7-10FT/dp/B0006DPPCE/ref=sr_1_98?ie=UTF8&qid=1450610900&sr=8-98&keywords=iec-c7
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2015-12-20T13:31:55 < dongs> lewl
2015-12-20T13:32:37 < BrainDamage> sorry, but nothing beats lessloss http://www.lessloss.com/dfpc-series-p-213.html#sig
2015-12-20T13:32:43 < BrainDamage> 1k$ for a power cable
2015-12-20T13:34:02 < jpa-> "No: Cable drawing attention to itself"
2015-12-20T13:35:01 < BrainDamage> also, a line filter: http://www.lessloss.com/firewall-module-p-216.html
2015-12-20T13:35:09 < BrainDamage> >no caps >no coils
2015-12-20T13:35:23 < BrainDamage> >no hint of digititis
2015-12-20T13:35:41 < Steffanx> GHz and THz signal blocking, yay.
2015-12-20T13:36:05 < Steffanx> It looks nice though. (imho)
2015-12-20T13:36:14 < BrainDamage> the aesthetic is excellent
2015-12-20T13:36:32 < BrainDamage> but a piece steel rebar is as effective
2015-12-20T13:36:36 < jpa-> they even have a video showing how they just put a cable in an empty box
2015-12-20T13:37:43 < jpa-> "Unlimited sound quality improvement is available through daisy chaining multiple units" yay
2015-12-20T13:38:43 < BrainDamage> too bad they discontinued the "black body conditioner"
2015-12-20T13:38:51 < BrainDamage> aka a box with a pinhole aperture
2015-12-20T13:39:58 < PeterM> whats the place that sells the bags of rocks you tape to your cables to improve the sound
2015-12-20T13:40:52 < BrainDamage> coconut audio
2015-12-20T13:41:16 < BrainDamage> that one is so off the chart i tought it was a parody at first
2015-12-20T13:42:10 < BrainDamage> or maybe it started as a parody and then saw they were selling like hotcakes
2015-12-20T13:42:32 < BrainDamage> http://coconut-audio.com/images2/full/HolyNightSATA_full.jpg
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2015-12-20T14:12:26 < ReadError> lol what the actual fuck
2015-12-20T14:15:28 < ReadError> added the MAX31850 to china oven, dead nuts on now
2015-12-20T14:21:20 < PeterM> ???
2015-12-20T14:21:53 < PeterM> you added a proper thermocouple to your oven?
2015-12-20T14:22:45 < ReadError> thermos are same, the converters are new (and cold junction compensation)
2015-12-20T14:23:21 < PeterM> oh, the old adcs must have been shit
2015-12-20T14:23:46 < ReadError> well it comes with no coldjunction sensor
2015-12-20T14:23:53 < ReadError> it just always assumes its 20C
2015-12-20T14:24:53 < PeterM> yeah, still, your not going to have mroe than a few degrees difference
2015-12-20T14:25:02 < PeterM> well, atleast ytou shouldnt
2015-12-20T14:25:56 < BrainDamage> that's just a rigid shift
2015-12-20T14:26:12 < BrainDamage> provided the cold juction is adequately ventilated and ~room temp
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2015-12-20T14:48:35 < ReadError> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/20/air-france-flight-makes-emergency-landing-in-kenya-after-bomb-alert
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2015-12-20T15:24:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/sVTSfZL.gifv
2015-12-20T15:25:29 < Sync_> nomnom
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2015-12-20T16:20:43 < jubatus> http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2015/12/2015-the-year-in-photos-may-august/y01_AP165182130568/main_900.jpg
2015-12-20T16:21:55 < englishman> who saw star wars
2015-12-20T16:22:04 < englishman> is it as terrible as I expected
2015-12-20T16:23:28 < BrainDamage> i saw it, it was well made but it left me slightly disappointed
2015-12-20T16:23:36 < dongs> i have 360gb dcinema copy but my shitbox cant play it at full speed
2015-12-20T16:23:51 < dongs> so ill go watch it sometime in a week or so
2015-12-20T16:24:04 < BrainDamage> to make a slightly spoiler-ish comment: 80% of the movie plot was a cut and paste of the others
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2015-12-20T16:32:24 < jubatus> http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2015/12/2015-the-year-in-photos-may-august/y33_RTX1NM14/main_900.jpg
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2015-12-20T16:48:36 < Steffanx> Agreed BrainDamage.
2015-12-20T16:49:56 < Steffanx> dongs is still in the scene much that he has a cinema copy?
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2015-12-20T16:57:05 < kakimir> dongs in romania?
2015-12-20T17:04:18 < Steffanx> kakimir in new zealand?
2015-12-20T17:04:27 < kakimir> I wish
2015-12-20T17:05:31 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1450429078596.png
2015-12-20T17:06:54 < Steffanx> learn to nail polish Laurenceb_
2015-12-20T17:07:27 < kakimir> Laurance
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2015-12-20T17:29:35 < kakimir> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWnE3pVVAAAUXPT.png:large
2015-12-20T17:34:19 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1450613240882.jpg
2015-12-20T17:50:42 < Laurenceb_> lolling http://8ch.net/pol/src/1450623259640.jpg
2015-12-20T18:02:01 < dongs> ReadError: ST didnt send me any denial mail
2015-12-20T18:02:39 < ReadError> maybe they are bad at geography
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2015-12-20T18:22:29 < rewolff1> My STM motor control app runs to:
2015-12-20T18:22:29 < rewolff1> 8006518:       e92d 4ff0       stmdb   sp!, {r4, r5, r6, r7, r8, r9, sl, fp, lr}
2015-12-20T18:22:29 < rewolff1> and then crases on this instruction. This is in R3_1_F30X_Init from the ST Motor control library.
2015-12-20T18:22:54 < rewolff1> (I've managed to get it to compile using GCC on Linux, some hacks required....  )
2015-12-20T18:23:34 < rewolff1> SP is at 0x20003f18, which looks valid to me.
2015-12-20T18:24:04 < jpa-> what does the hardfault status register indicate as crash cause?
2015-12-20T18:24:11 < rewolff1> CPU is the one on the Nucleo-320R8.
2015-12-20T18:24:17 < rewolff1> s/320/302/
2015-12-20T18:24:21 < jpa-> it may be an inprecise error from one of the past instructions
2015-12-20T18:25:36 < rewolff1> Does that happen when I singlestep the CPU?
2015-12-20T18:26:01 < rewolff1> Hmm. It has just called this function.... Through a function pointer.
2015-12-20T18:26:18 < rewolff1> Could it be that this is thumb code and the "this is thumb" bit was wrong?
2015-12-20T18:26:39 < jpa-> the hardfault status register will tell
2015-12-20T18:27:03 < jpa-> p /x SCB->CFSR or use the armv7m macros
2015-12-20T18:27:25 < rewolff1> No symbol "SCB" in current context.
2015-12-20T18:27:34 < rewolff1> Looking it up..
2015-12-20T18:28:26 < jpa-> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/jtag/armv7m-macros.gdb   use these then
2015-12-20T18:28:48 < jpa-> source armv7m-macros.gdb   and then   vecstate
2015-12-20T18:30:46 < rewolff1> HardFault: forced due to escalated or disabled configurable fault (see below)
2015-12-20T18:30:46 < rewolff1> UsageFault due to bad T or IT bits in EPSR
2015-12-20T18:30:46 < rewolff1> exception frame is on MSP
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2015-12-20T18:40:45 < rewolff1> The bottom bit of PC is "thumb mode", right?
2015-12-20T18:41:07 < rewolff1> the reset vector at 0x800004 has it set.
2015-12-20T18:41:24 < rewolff1> So when I call a function through a pointer, the pointer needs to have the bottom bit set?
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2015-12-20T18:59:45 < rewolff1> OK.... compiled a test program, it seems to set the lowest bit in the function pointer.
2015-12-20T19:00:14 < rewolff1> 00008191  // 00008185  those are the two function addresses I call, those are moved into the function pointer.
2015-12-20T19:00:30 < rewolff1> So the STM library fro motor control is NOT compiled in thumb mode?
2015-12-20T19:00:40 < rewolff1> Is there a way to verify?
2015-12-20T19:00:57 < rewolff1> I just grabbed the ".a" from the windows install.
2015-12-20T19:01:47 < ReadError> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/rf-if-and-rfid?k=st%20nucleo&newproducts=1
2015-12-20T19:01:48 < ReadError> new
2015-12-20T19:04:51 < rewolff1> My compiler tells me that the STM32F3xx do not support the original ARM mode. Correct?
2015-12-20T19:05:06 < rewolff1> "original ARM" == "not thumb".
2015-12-20T19:07:40 < karlp> correct.
2015-12-20T19:07:45 < karlp> stm32xx, not just f3...
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2015-12-20T19:07:58 < karlp> more correctly, "cortex-m" entirely doesn't support arm mode.
2015-12-20T19:08:09 < karlp> it's one of the most common problems people have with linkers.
2015-12-20T19:08:13 < rewolff1> http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-m/cortex-m4-processor.php
2015-12-20T19:08:20 < rewolff1> Executes thumb,
2015-12-20T19:08:37 < rewolff1> and in specifications: ISA: tumb, thumb2 -> no arm.
2015-12-20T19:08:39 < rewolff1> Fine.
2015-12-20T19:08:54 < rewolff1> So it seems unlikely that STM provides a library compiled for ARM-mode.
2015-12-20T19:09:22 < rewolff1> Ah. wait. I can run until R1 contains the pointer, increment it, and then see if I can skip the hardfault.
2015-12-20T19:11:31 < rewolff1> stopped at the blx r1:
2015-12-20T19:11:31 < rewolff1> r1             0x8006518        134243608
2015-12-20T19:11:31 < rewolff1> after fixing:
2015-12-20T19:11:31 < rewolff1> r1             0x8006519        134243609
2015-12-20T19:11:31 < rewolff1> .... yep runs.....
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2015-12-20T19:15:30 < PaulFertser> rewolff1: how do you link to that library?
2015-12-20T19:15:55 < karlp> you dune sometink wrongg withd your linker
2015-12-20T19:16:13 < karlp> didn't pass the same to compiler and linker possibly?
2015-12-20T19:16:39 < __rob> isn't the lsb of the address always set for thumb ?
2015-12-20T19:17:07 < rewolff1> arm-none-eabi-gcc --static -lnosys -TSTM32F302R8Tx_FLASH.ld -nostartfiles -Wl,--gc-sections,-Map=binary.map -mthumb -mcpu=cortex-m4 -mthumb -mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16  -o  example_pot.elf  main.o UITask.o ....
2015-12-20T19:17:50 < Tectu> http://images.wasted.earth/uploads/big/38cad2a71fa33c3fdf7ec6a500242477.jpeg
2015-12-20T19:17:52 < karlp> more thumb than you need, but shouldn't hurt.
2015-12-20T19:17:55 < karlp> and for linker?
2015-12-20T19:17:58 < rewolff1> The ST motor control suite  provides many files as source code (UITask.c for example), but the core of the algorithms is in a provided library.
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2015-12-20T19:18:57 < rewolff1> So, for now I'm working with  a '302x8 processor, and a singgle drive.
2015-12-20T19:19:09 < rewolff1> SO I selected: MC_Library_STM32F302x8_single_drive.a
2015-12-20T19:20:46 < rewolff1> (using the 302_single_drive.a (without the x8) did not work. Actually, the R3_1_F30X_Init function ended up "undefined". Took me a while to figure out, because the symbol is only defined in the x8 lib and I didn't see the difference between 302 and 302x8... )
2015-12-20T19:21:06 < __rob> its your code thats not working tho, if it works when you incrmenet the address to be odd
2015-12-20T19:21:09 < __rob> so the library is likely fine
2015-12-20T19:21:13 < __rob> just how your linking
2015-12-20T19:21:34 < rewolff1> karlp: I saw an "extra" -mthumb in my commandline, so I edited one out before copy-paste the "fixed" one.... :-)
2015-12-20T19:21:50 < rewolff1> yeah.
2015-12-20T19:22:16 < rewolff1> But incrementing it once at a breakpoint is doable, but there are lots of "objects" that seem to contain function pointers.
2015-12-20T19:22:56 < rewolff1> There is NOT a 4-byte constant with the address of the R3_1_F30X_Init function in the binary.
2015-12-20T19:24:10 < __rob> you dont have -march in your flags
2015-12-20T19:24:26 < __rob> -mthumb Generate code for the Thumb instruction set. The default is to use the 32-bit ARM instruction set. This option automatically enables either 16-bit Thumb-1 or mixed 16/32-bit Thumb-2 instructions based on the -mcpu=name and -march=name options. This option is not passed to the assembler. If you want to force assembler files to be interpreted as Thumb code, either add a `.thumb' directive
2015-12-20T19:24:26 < __rob> to the source or pass the -mthumb option directly to the assembler by prefixing it with -Wa.
2015-12-20T19:24:42 < rewolff1> void (*foo)(int);
2015-12-20T19:24:42 < rewolff1> void test2 (int t)
2015-12-20T19:24:42 < rewolff1> ...
2015-12-20T19:24:42 < rewolff1>   foo = test2;
2015-12-20T19:24:42 < rewolff1> results in 805c:       00008191        muleq   r0, r1, r1
2015-12-20T19:24:42 < rewolff1> as the constant that is loaded
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2015-12-20T19:28:04 < rewolff1> The call to R3_1_F30X_Init happens in PWMC_Init which are both precompiled objects in the library.
2015-12-20T19:29:01 < rewolff1> -march is not on the linker line,
2015-12-20T19:29:20 < rewolff1> I have -Os -g -std=c11 -fshort-wchar -fno-common -mcpu=cortex-m4  -mthumb       -mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16 -MD
2015-12-20T19:29:22 < rewolff1> for the compiler.
2015-12-20T19:29:30 < rewolff1> Anthing I have to duplicate when linking?
2015-12-20T19:38:49 < rewolff1> Does a hardware data watchpoint break a few (two?) instructions past the actual instruction causing the data to change?
2015-12-20T19:41:04 < rewolff1>    0x080064a6 <+46>:    addw    r0, pc, #112    ; 0x70
2015-12-20T19:41:04 < rewolff1>    0x080064aa <+50>:    str     r0, [r4, #4]
2015-12-20T19:41:04 < rewolff1> this->initfunc = ... <PC+112>
2015-12-20T19:41:21 < rewolff1> Hey!!!! that means that the PC READS as "low bit unset"... How can that be?
2015-12-20T20:07:58 < Steffanx> long time no see superbia
2015-12-20T20:08:00 < Steffanx> How is ranewen?
2015-12-20T20:09:14 < Steffanx> No my rpi just runs lunix, quassel core and not much more.
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2015-12-20T20:47:26 < ReadError> unfunny
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2015-12-20T23:14:11 < kakimir> russians made anything from titanium in ussr times
2015-12-20T23:14:45 < kakimir> different kind of tools
2015-12-20T23:14:53 < kakimir> shovels
2015-12-20T23:15:10 < kakimir> tire irons that didn't weight anything
2015-12-20T23:16:52 < kakimir> does that thing stop nato round?
2015-12-20T23:17:09 < kakimir> that is the question
2015-12-20T23:19:22 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAwNetMJrWA
2015-12-20T23:22:01 < kakimir> it isn't nato round but yes it will most likely hold it
2015-12-20T23:30:02 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/lssJzI4.gifv
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2015-12-20T23:32:49 < kakimir> you need bunnies
2015-12-20T23:34:02 < Laurenceb_> wtf those guys are mental
2015-12-20T23:34:21 < ReadError> https://media.giphy.com/media/wTZNFrUlyXDy/giphy.gif
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2015-12-20T23:50:44 < Laurenceb_> attn kakimir  https://finnishchronicles.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/how-to-marry-a-finnish-girl-425px.jpg
2015-12-20T23:56:09 < kakimir> yes
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2015-12-21T00:09:26 < ReadError> haha
2015-12-21T00:09:41 < ReadError> get a nice tan?
2015-12-21T00:11:07 < Steffanx> who says kakimir is married?
2015-12-21T00:13:44 < Laurenceb_> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_f_UMP3iQDAI/THwTkC4aZfI/AAAAAAAAB_M/PNPzIb7Q34U/s400/rape-finland.jpg
2015-12-21T00:13:55 < Laurenceb_> so much Finnish troll stuff
2015-12-21T00:14:29 < Steffanx> ok..
2015-12-21T00:14:46 < Steffanx> what news did i miss?
2015-12-21T00:18:10 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/z6IbsVX.png
2015-12-21T00:18:41 < Laurenceb_> wut
2015-12-21T00:19:19 < ReadError> designed kakimir's future wedding ring
2015-12-21T00:20:11 < Steffanx> trolol
2015-12-21T00:21:01 < Steffanx> are you sure its dont need more readerror?
2015-12-21T00:21:14 < Steffanx> more SMAs
2015-12-21T00:21:19 < ReadError> needs some vias
2015-12-21T00:21:21 < ReadError> ;(
2015-12-21T00:21:37 < ReadError> im new to jewelery design
2015-12-21T00:22:55 < kakimir> sometimes I wonder if I'm deep inside... black
2015-12-21T00:24:34 < ReadError> well
2015-12-21T00:24:39 < ReadError> have you seen a white ape?
2015-12-21T00:25:06 < Steffanx> or is it because of the big dong?
2015-12-21T00:26:34 < Laurenceb_> Trolling is the one of the most common form of pike, zander, trout and salmon fishing on major lakes of Finland
2015-12-21T00:28:07 < ReadError> have you noticed, tons of fins are on IRC
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2015-12-21T00:28:36 < ReadError> like for not a huge population, they go hard on the interactive relay blogging
2015-12-21T00:28:53 < celeron55> it's because there's nothing to do in finland except sitting in front of a computer
2015-12-21T00:29:05 < kakimir> in 2000's every cool kid was on irc
2015-12-21T00:29:05 < Laurenceb_> as I said, its easy to troll finland
2015-12-21T00:29:22 < kakimir> there was channels for cities, towns
2015-12-21T00:29:36 < kakimir> posses
2015-12-21T00:29:48 < Steffanx> too cool fo icq and/or msn?
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2015-12-21T00:30:25 < kakimir> and propably 30% of users
2015-12-21T00:30:30 < kakimir> where actually woman
2015-12-21T00:30:42 < kakimir> *were
2015-12-21T00:31:10 < kakimir> compared to 0% now
2015-12-21T00:31:40 < Laurenceb_> women on irc
2015-12-21T00:31:43 < Laurenceb_> impossible
2015-12-21T00:31:48 < kakimir> true
2015-12-21T00:32:15 < kakimir> well think about it
2015-12-21T00:32:36 < kakimir> PCs were in shared use
2015-12-21T00:32:42 < Laurenceb_> oh wait  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
2015-12-21T00:32:54 < kakimir> "what is that cool chat bro?"
2015-12-21T00:33:21 < kakimir> "Oh it's IRC"
2015-12-21T00:33:33 < kakimir> and so on
2015-12-21T00:33:43 < celeron55> MSN was in common use back then too, but it didn't facilitate public chats like IRC does
2015-12-21T00:34:24 < celeron55> then in around 2005 everyone moved onto browser-based social media and now only hopeless nerds use IRC
2015-12-21T00:34:52 < Laurenceb_> sounds like me
2015-12-21T00:34:55 < kakimir> and in 2008 it was all international dicks
2015-12-21T00:35:09 < kakimir> big corporation dicks
2015-12-21T00:35:12 < Laurenceb_> also irc is antisocial media
2015-12-21T00:35:29 < Laurenceb_> not social media :D
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2015-12-21T00:47:04 < kakimir> being "social" is something quite new
2015-12-21T00:48:39 < celeron55> you don't really have to go that many decades back to get to a time when nobody cared
2015-12-21T00:48:43 < kakimir> and what is meant by "social" is hypersocial
2015-12-21T00:50:44 < kakimir> what is meant by "social" is to manage your network of contacts 247
2015-12-21T00:52:25 < kakimir> so that in whole it becomes like a machine of.. networking
2015-12-21T00:54:31 < kakimir> celeron55: of course there has always been something like "guy in the corner"
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2015-12-21T01:18:43 < kakimir> mx master battery lasted 2weeks
2015-12-21T01:19:13 < kakimir> no way it would last 4weeks
2015-12-21T01:19:29 < upgrdman> lol
2015-12-21T01:19:37 < upgrdman> m705 aa's last >2yrs
2015-12-21T01:20:08 < kakimir> can you recharge it?
2015-12-21T01:20:15 < upgrdman> aa's you faggot
2015-12-21T01:20:22 < upgrdman> no need to
2015-12-21T01:21:53 < karlp> __rob: you don't need arch _and_ -mcpu, only one of them is appropriate, read the readme.txt that comes with the toolchain
2015-12-21T01:21:58 < kakimir> my grandma uses AAs
2015-12-21T01:22:11 < kakimir> it was how it worked in her time
2015-12-21T01:22:30 < kakimir> I need gasoline powered mouse
2015-12-21T01:22:43 < celeron55> how about a wire powered mouse
2015-12-21T01:22:46 < celeron55> i have one
2015-12-21T01:22:47 < celeron55> it's quite handy
2015-12-21T01:23:01 < celeron55> you just plug it in and it has infinite power
2015-12-21T01:23:21 < kakimir> In the future mouses are operated with wireless energy
2015-12-21T01:24:42 < upgrdman> Qi mousepad
2015-12-21T01:24:49 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jE5dJDgZ644#t=121
2015-12-21T01:24:58 < upgrdman> would be neat, buy why... i already get >2yrs on a pair of AA's
2015-12-21T01:26:01 < kakimir> and it's laser?
2015-12-21T01:26:47 < upgrdman> yes of course
2015-12-21T01:26:56 < upgrdman> 848nm laser
2015-12-21T01:27:07 < upgrdman> and the mouse is <$30 iirc
2015-12-21T01:27:48 < upgrdman> i tried the new mx master i think. the weird polygon looking one, with two scroll wheels? i found the thumb wheel and thumb button placement to be super annoying.
2015-12-21T01:28:09 < upgrdman> also the "play" in the thumb wheel drove my crazy
2015-12-21T01:28:29 < kakimir> you know that 2years is shit rite?
2015-12-21T01:28:35 < kakimir> or 3years they say
2015-12-21T01:28:45 < upgrdman> how so
2015-12-21T01:28:55 < upgrdman> you cant handle swapping aa's every 700 DAYS?
2015-12-21T01:30:51 < Laurenceb_> heh
2015-12-21T01:32:35 < kakimir> that battery life is measured with typical grandma who checks email twice a week
2015-12-21T01:32:46 < upgrdman> kakimir, no
2015-12-21T01:32:51 < kakimir> they got great results
2015-12-21T01:32:54 < upgrdman> kakimir, im on my pc for >8hrs a day
2015-12-21T01:32:58 < kakimir> 3whoopin years
2015-12-21T01:33:00 < upgrdman> and they last >2yrs for me
2015-12-21T01:33:25 < kakimir> only 8?
2015-12-21T01:33:32 < upgrdman> i like the m705 so much that im on my third one. (because of my fault, not bad hardware)
2015-12-21T01:34:00 < upgrdman> turns out that throwing your mouse in a backpack careless for 6 years does some wear and tare :)
2015-12-21T01:34:50 < upgrdman> back when i was poor and trying to save money, i'd put my worn out AAs from other shit into my mouse, and they'd still last like 6 months
2015-12-21T01:34:56 < fenugrec> Fleck fixed your SPI issue ?
2015-12-21T01:35:52 < kakimir> fukken devices that can't operate bellow 1.5volts per cell
2015-12-21T01:35:57 < kakimir> such cancer
2015-12-21T01:36:12 < upgrdman> inorite
2015-12-21T01:36:34 < upgrdman> i think the m705 red light comes on at like 0.9V per cell, and i've run em down to .7V per cell
2015-12-21T01:37:04 < upgrdman> of course, my usb dongle for the mouse is like 200mm from the mouse, but still. never once had issues.
2015-12-21T01:39:37 < kakimir> well
2015-12-21T01:39:58 < kakimir> to topple that
2015-12-21T01:40:12 < kakimir> I used mx1000 from when it was released
2015-12-21T01:40:17 < kakimir> until now
2015-12-21T01:40:34 < kakimir> and it cost me something like 80eur
2015-12-21T01:40:43 < kakimir> + 1 lipo 10eur
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2015-12-21T01:41:04 < kakimir> so if we do the math
2015-12-21T01:41:39 < kakimir> I had mx1000 that is still killer
2015-12-21T01:41:57 < kakimir> and paid less
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2015-12-21T01:42:17 < kakimir> and had HUGE receiver with it
2015-12-21T01:42:39 < kakimir> stand type 27mhz
2015-12-21T01:42:48 < upgrdman> lol
2015-12-21T01:45:01 < kakimir> and I carried it around in a bag for years
2015-12-21T01:45:08 < kakimir> and it only had wear to it
2015-12-21T01:45:18 < kakimir> dropped it onto floor 1000x
2015-12-21T01:45:30 < kakimir> it felt only better
2015-12-21T01:50:43 < upgrdman> how many times did you slide it into your anus?
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2015-12-21T01:52:10 < kakimir> not once
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2015-12-21T02:23:17 < upgrdman> lol. logitech mx1000 can be bought new on amazon for $350. wtf.
2015-12-21T02:24:08 < kakimir> nostalgy shiet
2015-12-21T02:25:00 < kakimir> when you see prices you know there is people with excess money
2015-12-21T02:25:01 < __rob> I still have that mouse
2015-12-21T02:25:19 < __rob> prefer it to the performance mx
2015-12-21T02:25:45 < __rob> much more solid feel in the quality of it then the newer premium logic ones
2015-12-21T02:25:52 < __rob> logitech*
2015-12-21T02:25:57 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-21T02:26:22 < kakimir> it's cast iron compared to performance
2015-12-21T02:26:23 < __rob> only problem is the pads on the bottom have come off
2015-12-21T02:26:29 < __rob> and I cant get them
2015-12-21T02:26:40 < __rob> i've looked
2015-12-21T02:26:57 < __rob> yea, performance mx is very plasticy
2015-12-21T02:27:03 < Sync_> but you can get universal glide shits
2015-12-21T02:27:28 < __rob> what, replacement sheet that i just cut to size ?
2015-12-21T02:27:54 < kakimir> what is correct full term to search such ith?
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2015-12-21T02:28:11 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKU0NEZkR0Nk5PVTg/view?usp=sharing
2015-12-21T02:28:20 < Sync_> yeah __rob
2015-12-21T02:28:26 < kakimir> after 5years or so glue melted and pads came of
2015-12-21T02:28:46 < __rob> yea, about the same
2015-12-21T02:28:53 < __rob> so thats your problem with it too ?
2015-12-21T02:28:55 < upgrdman> i kinds want a table like this  http://i.imgur.com/VICzhoGh.jpg
2015-12-21T02:29:00 < upgrdman> kinda*
2015-12-21T02:29:36 < __rob> best thing about that mouse is the charge cradle
2015-12-21T02:29:40 < __rob> so easy to remember
2015-12-21T02:30:01 < upgrdman> wouldnt you prefer a wireless mouse that didnt need to be frequently charged?
2015-12-21T02:30:16 < __rob> lastesd a few days
2015-12-21T02:30:32 < upgrdman> or modern ones that last around 700 days
2015-12-21T02:30:33 < __rob> which was ok
2015-12-21T02:30:38 < __rob> was also pretty good charge/use time
2015-12-21T02:30:41 < kakimir> just place mouse in stand when you are done
2015-12-21T02:31:03 < __rob> ye
2015-12-21T02:31:27 < upgrdman> i know. i had a wireless logitech in the 90's. sweet cradle and everything.
2015-12-21T02:31:35 < upgrdman> but new shit is so much better
2015-12-21T02:33:34 < kakimir> they had it right with lipo in mx1000 and so
2015-12-21T02:33:43 < kakimir> then they turned to AA
2015-12-21T02:33:48 < kakimir> and NIMH
2015-12-21T02:33:54 < __rob> lol was just typing it was nice they had lipo in mx1000
2015-12-21T02:34:20 < kakimir> orginal battery lasted and lasted
2015-12-21T02:34:31 < kakimir> it was better than this replacement
2015-12-21T02:35:16 < __rob> http://www.slicksurf.com/slicksurf/home/
2015-12-21T02:35:28 < __rob> $4.99
2015-12-21T02:35:56 < kakimir> !!!
2015-12-21T02:36:03 < kakimir> killer is back
2015-12-21T02:36:20 < __rob> do I need a set of both then
2015-12-21T02:36:26 < __rob> 0.014" and 0.030"
2015-12-21T02:36:32 < __rob> err, 0.015"
2015-12-21T02:36:38 < kakimir> why
2015-12-21T02:36:48 < __rob> dunno, has both listed
2015-12-21T02:36:51 < __rob> ohh wait, thats thickness
2015-12-21T02:37:09 < __rob> what are the originals.. ?
2015-12-21T02:37:24 < __rob> and why would there even be 2 options
2015-12-21T02:37:49 < Sync_> sensor distance to surface
2015-12-21T02:37:51 < __rob> there is surely an optimum thickness tho
2015-12-21T02:38:07 < __rob> for the original design of the mouse
2015-12-21T02:40:26 < kakimir> you can levitate mx1000 in like.. 1cm
2015-12-21T02:40:30 < kakimir> and it works
2015-12-21T02:40:57 < kakimir> not 1cm
2015-12-21T02:41:00 < kakimir> 5mm or so
2015-12-21T02:41:07 < __rob> will go for the 0.030"
2015-12-21T02:41:23 < kakimir> tell how it comes out
2015-12-21T02:41:27 < kakimir> when you get em
2015-12-21T02:41:28 < __rob> shipping costs more than the feet
2015-12-21T02:41:29 < __rob> lol
2015-12-21T02:41:32 < upgrdman> what a stupid looking keyboard
2015-12-21T02:41:33 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/zJnN7
2015-12-21T02:41:40 < kakimir> __rob: how much shipping?
2015-12-21T02:41:45 < Sync_> for newer mice you can even configure the liftoff distance
2015-12-21T02:41:57 < __rob> $5.99
2015-12-21T02:42:05 < Sync_> > oxracer
2015-12-21T02:42:08 < __rob> its alrigth tbh i'd have paid $20 for the feet anyway
2015-12-21T02:42:09 < Sync_> what a shitty chair
2015-12-21T02:42:20 < kakimir> upgrdman: such a best keyboard there is
2015-12-21T02:42:49 < upgrdman> filco is fine. but those keycaps
2015-12-21T02:42:55  * upgrdman loves his das keyboard
2015-12-21T02:43:51 < kakimir> where you even can get such caps
2015-12-21T02:43:54 < __rob> sorry, that was the total
2015-12-21T02:43:57 < __rob> shipping was $1
2015-12-21T02:44:06 < Sync_> from a few different vendors kakimir
2015-12-21T02:44:15 < kakimir> not orginals!
2015-12-21T02:44:24 < kakimir> I have red escape
2015-12-21T02:44:29 < Sync_> I have been casting my own keycaps for a while
2015-12-21T02:44:34 < kakimir> and plain win button
2015-12-21T02:44:49 < kakimir> Sync_: ?????!?
2015-12-21T02:45:05 < Sync_> wat?
2015-12-21T02:46:40 < Sync_> the reason is simple, some friends developed a custom keyboard and we need a few special keys for that
2015-12-21T02:47:06 < upgrdman> Sync_, cool. pix of casting setup or kybd?
2015-12-21T02:47:29 < Sync_> as the spacing between a few keys is not really a normal size
2015-12-21T02:47:36 < Sync_> lemme see if I can find some
2015-12-21T02:47:50 < Sync_> the casting is a bit stressful as I use super fast curing PU
2015-12-21T02:47:57 < Sync_> so I don't have time taking pictures :D
2015-12-21T02:48:00 < upgrdman> speed = ?
2015-12-21T02:48:15 < Sync_> ?
2015-12-21T02:48:24 < Sync_> the resin has demould times of about 6 minutes
2015-12-21T02:48:25 < upgrdman> how long to cure?
2015-12-21T02:48:29 < upgrdman> ah
2015-12-21T02:48:36 < Sync_> so it starts gelling after about 30s
2015-12-21T02:48:47 < Sync_> so I have to mix, dagas and inject in like no time
2015-12-21T02:50:38 < Sync_> http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/tasta/epoxy2.jpg those were the first ones made out of casting epoxy
2015-12-21T02:52:00 < upgrdman> silicone mold?
2015-12-21T02:52:19 < Sync_> yes
2015-12-21T02:52:44 < Sync_> although I'm looking for a small injection molding machine
2015-12-21T02:53:58 < Sync_> http://sync-hv.de/tastenkappen/pu4.png
2015-12-21T02:54:00 < Sync_> http://sync-hv.de/tastenkappen/pu3.png
2015-12-21T02:54:17 < Sync_> that's the second cap made from pu
2015-12-21T02:54:48 < upgrdman> pu = ?
2015-12-21T02:54:54 < upgrdman> polyurethane?
2015-12-21T02:54:58 < Sync_> yes
2015-12-21T02:56:02 < Laurenceb_> om nom nom leasqr
2015-12-21T02:56:36 < __rob> nice casts
2015-12-21T02:56:44 < __rob> been thinking about getting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJVwfNNJwsc
2015-12-21T02:56:45 < Sync_> nah
2015-12-21T02:56:49 < Sync_> they are shitty
2015-12-21T02:56:59 < Sync_> but for the first examples they are okay
2015-12-21T02:57:02 < __rob> the results look amazing
2015-12-21T02:57:39 < Sync_> those hand pressed ones are nice until you need to make 100 parts
2015-12-21T02:58:13 < Sync_> I'd rather have a small arburg
2015-12-21T02:59:04 < Sync_> the problem with those things is the injection pressure
2015-12-21T02:59:12 < __rob> the above is like $800
2015-12-21T02:59:18 < Sync_> for keycaps you need a very high pressure and small shot size
2015-12-21T02:59:20 < Sync_> which is hard to do
2015-12-21T02:59:26 < Sync_> because the walls are thin
2015-12-21T02:59:28 < __rob> that tormach will put down alot of pressure
2015-12-21T02:59:33 < kakimir> casting your own keycaps is like cool and like mad
2015-12-21T02:59:46 < Sync_> the pressure is not the problem
2015-12-21T03:00:02 < Sync_> but you need to have a valve that opens properly
2015-12-21T03:00:09 < Sync_> so you get high injection speeds
2015-12-21T03:00:24 < Sync_> which is where those things usually fail
2015-12-21T03:00:52 < __rob> ahh, think i'd pay someone if I was doing more than a few prototype parts
2015-12-21T03:01:20 < Sync_> that's actually extremely expensive
2015-12-21T03:01:49 < kakimir> why you do your own keycaps Sync_ ?
2015-12-21T03:01:53 < __rob> well its not too bad once you have the mould made
2015-12-21T03:01:54 < kakimir> are you keyboard maker?
2015-12-21T03:02:07 < Sync_> some friends of mine are
2015-12-21T03:02:39 < Sync_> http://deskthority.net/resources/new-keycaps-o/6315
2015-12-21T03:03:44 < kakimir> that is ... so expensive
2015-12-21T03:04:53 < Sync_> actually no
2015-12-21T03:04:55 < Sync_> t
2015-12-21T03:05:05 < Sync_> those are leftover caps from some shop
2015-12-21T03:05:19 < Sync_> whole bag was like 40€
2015-12-21T03:11:39 < Laurenceb_> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1419/98/1419982475733.jpg
2015-12-21T03:12:58 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, so how does that work? cops randomly check unliscenced homes?
2015-12-21T03:13:07 < Laurenceb_> yup
2015-12-21T03:13:23 < upgrdman> you guys dont find that to be an invasion of privacy?
2015-12-21T03:13:43 < Laurenceb_> nope
2015-12-21T03:13:47 < Laurenceb_> UK is screwed
2015-12-21T03:14:57 < kakimir> cops?
2015-12-21T03:15:01 < kakimir> or inspectors?
2015-12-21T03:15:24 < kakimir> do they have legimite power to enter your home without your agreement?
2015-12-21T03:16:52 < upgrdman> that'd be weird for me. i have a tv, but dont watch "tv" ... it's more like a youtube/prime applicance that doubles as a second monitor too
2015-12-21T03:16:54 < gxti> as i understand it it is not the police and they can't enter
2015-12-21T03:18:15 < upgrdman> how much is uk tv lisc?
2015-12-21T03:20:38 < Laurenceb_>  £130 or something
2015-12-21T03:22:32 < upgrdman> per year?
2015-12-21T03:22:35 < upgrdman> fuck thats high.
2015-12-21T03:23:10 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/ is trolling UK tonight
2015-12-21T03:23:14 < Laurenceb_> funtimes
2015-12-21T03:23:15 < Laurenceb_> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1421/86/1421862140441.jpg
2015-12-21T03:24:06 < Laurenceb_> lol @ British pedobear
2015-12-21T03:24:34 < kakimir> how could you troll UK witouth being britt?
2015-12-21T03:24:46 < Laurenceb_> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1425/49/1425498856971.jpg
2015-12-21T03:26:40 < kakimir> in here they integrated tv licence to taxing system
2015-12-21T03:27:26 < kakimir> so you fucking pay that Tv you dont watch
2015-12-21T03:27:33 < kakimir> or even have
2015-12-21T03:27:50 < kakimir> also applies to business taxing
2015-12-21T03:28:15 < kakimir> you pay that left wing rotter brain cancer no matter what
2015-12-21T03:28:41 < kakimir> but hey... poor do not need to pay
2015-12-21T03:29:00 < kakimir> I think below 1300eur/month you end up paying 0
2015-12-21T03:29:00 < Laurenceb_> http://www.warwickshire-pcc.gov.uk/childline-launch-new-campaign-fapz-fight-against-porn-zombies/
2015-12-21T03:30:24 < Laurenceb_> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1401/02/1401027312272.jpg
2015-12-21T03:30:27 < Laurenceb_> lolling hard
2015-12-21T03:34:30 < kakimir> is that brittain nightime?
2015-12-21T03:36:47 < kakimir> you see what relationship does to your body
2015-12-21T03:36:56 < Laurenceb_> dat nightmare where you wake up and you are in the UK
2015-12-21T03:37:01 < kakimir> :D
2015-12-21T03:39:19 < kakimir> :|
2015-12-21T03:39:47 < kakimir> if I go to UK is there way out or is it a maze?
2015-12-21T03:39:51 < kakimir> one way only
2015-12-21T03:41:28 < kakimir> and when you get out you cant believe you are alive?
2015-12-21T03:42:21 < Laurenceb_> its like USA light
2015-12-21T03:51:53 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/YSQlueJ
2015-12-21T03:56:31 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, http://imgur.com/JU8kXY4
2015-12-21T03:57:51 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/QAJxjcq.jpg
2015-12-21T04:29:07 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/s0dEDHC.gifv
2015-12-21T04:47:42 < dongs> < upgrdman> fuck thats high.
2015-12-21T04:47:46 < dongs> about same as japtv license
2015-12-21T04:48:17 < upgrdman> that sux
2015-12-21T04:48:27 < upgrdman> does uk and jp shows ads on tv?
2015-12-21T04:50:13 < dongs> i donno
2015-12-21T04:50:20 < dongs> dont watch tv
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2015-12-21T09:06:54 < upgrdman_> lolol  http://i.imgur.com/saMl8Cn.gifv
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2015-12-21T09:39:39 < dongs> fucking fail
2015-12-21T09:42:12 < PeterM> upgrdman_, you dont sound like you are 12 or fellate for a living, congrats
2015-12-21T09:42:37 < upgrdman_> lolwut
2015-12-21T09:42:39 < PeterM> ^genuine compliment btw
2015-12-21T09:43:08 < PeterM> just skimming my youtube subs
2015-12-21T09:43:24 < upgrdman_> oh, are you sub'd to me?
2015-12-21T09:43:31 < PeterM> yessir
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2015-12-21T09:43:34 < upgrdman> cool
2015-12-21T09:43:37 < dongs> url to upgrdman channel
2015-12-21T09:43:44 < dongs> will confirm if sounds like 12
2015-12-21T09:44:02 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/user/upgrdman/videos
2015-12-21T09:44:26 < PeterM> also, youtube.com/channel/XBOXHUEGHASHHERE
2015-12-21T09:44:48 < PeterM> related https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_vO52hFzjMd2bPQA5AaHhg
2015-12-21T09:47:08 < dongs> visual studio
2015-12-21T09:47:09 < dongs> pro
2015-12-21T09:48:07 < upgrdman> ya its my attempt to grow past eclipse :)
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2015-12-21T10:07:50 < dongs> 4k craptop arriving in 2 days
2015-12-21T10:10:15 < upgrdman> cool
2015-12-21T10:10:28 < upgrdman> 4k60 on my new bro4 is so nice.
2015-12-21T10:10:44 < zyp> sup?
2015-12-21T10:10:55 < zyp> sent from my 1280x800 laptop
2015-12-21T10:11:51 < upgrdman> bummer.
2015-12-21T10:12:04 < PeterM> dingle, that 4k craptop you get?
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2015-12-21T10:19:01 < upgrdman> neat looking desk chair http://imgur.com/a/HPJPm
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2015-12-21T10:21:03 < zyp> desk too clean, obviously belongs to somebody who does nothing and just sits staring into the pc case all day
2015-12-21T10:21:06 < PaulFertser> Haha, given the usual channel content I expected to see some dildos there
2015-12-21T10:21:35 < upgrdman> its some shit from r/battlestations
2015-12-21T10:21:59 < zyp> I think one of my friends got a chair like that
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2015-12-21T10:22:25 < dongs> zano owner desk
2015-12-21T10:22:42 < dongs> those are probly 1080piss monitors
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2015-12-21T10:22:56 < dongs> also the fuck does he need a fucking globe there for
2015-12-21T10:23:03 < dongs> he can just fire up google earth and stare at that shit
2015-12-21T10:23:11 < zyp> not hipster enough
2015-12-21T10:23:23 < dongs> yea, need steampunk globew
2015-12-21T10:23:30 < dongs> also just noticed wireless router
2015-12-21T10:23:40 < dongs> giving off all that cancer-inducing radiation
2015-12-21T10:24:10 < PeterM> PaulFertser, you expected soemthign mroe liek r2coms idea of a good weekend playing skyrim https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/677635/skyrim.jpg
2015-12-21T10:25:33 < upgrdman> lol. why the fuck do they heatshrink a 6 packs of coke.
2015-12-21T10:26:41 < zyp> they do that here as well
2015-12-21T10:26:49 < upgrdman> really?
2015-12-21T10:26:52 < PeterM> dunno, here they dont even sell 6packs i dont think
2015-12-21T10:26:54 < zyp> both with cans and bottles in various sizes
2015-12-21T10:27:01 < upgrdman> here they use the cock-ring type things that hold cans together.
2015-12-21T10:27:12 < zyp> 4x1.5l bottles is common
2015-12-21T10:27:15 < zyp> or even 6x1.5l
2015-12-21T10:27:37 < zyp> upgrdman, they don't do those her
2015-12-21T10:27:38 < zyp> e
2015-12-21T10:27:42 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-21T10:27:46 < zyp> either shrinkwrapped or cardboard
2015-12-21T10:27:51 < PeterM> coke is usually sold by itself or in 18/24/30 375ml can packs here
2015-12-21T10:28:25 < PeterM> go from 0 to full diabetes in one purchase
2015-12-21T10:28:41 < zyp> 24x0.33 is also common
2015-12-21T10:28:41 < upgrdman> i miss the big bottles of coke i could buy when i was in shanghai. bigger than 20oz. might have been 1.5L
2015-12-21T10:29:11 < PeterM> 2L is a common size here
2015-12-21T10:29:11 < zyp> sometimes they are packed in cardboard, sometimes they are on a cardboard tray with shrinkwrap around to keep them in place
2015-12-21T10:29:23 < zyp> 1.5l is standard size here
2015-12-21T10:29:46 < PeterM> ive never seen 1.5, 1.25l is next most common
2015-12-21T10:29:56 < PeterM> here atleast
2015-12-21T10:30:08 < upgrdman> in so cal it's like 12oz cans or 2L bottles. not much in between anymore. sometimes you can find overpriced vending machines with 20oz bottles.
2015-12-21T10:33:39 < upgrdman> how do these idiots not hurt their necks. http://imgur.com/gallery/mhUzhR2/new
2015-12-21T10:34:21 < zyp> heh, yeah
2015-12-21T10:34:23 < PeterM> they do, but its long term and they're like 12
2015-12-21T10:34:49 < jpa-> well the surface is large enough that it probably isn't static strain
2015-12-21T10:34:50 < zyp> I don't get why people stack monitors, looking up at one sounds super uncomfy
2015-12-21T10:35:28 < PeterM> i dont think i've ever wanted more vertical space than maybe 30" at a decent resolution
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2015-12-21T10:37:40 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/a/T4Wef
2015-12-21T10:37:50 < upgrdman> needs moar fans
2015-12-21T10:38:54 < PeterM> https://cdn-shop.threadless.com/products/1199/636x460design_01.jpg
2015-12-21T10:39:23 < PeterM> needs mroe LEDs too man, the more LEDs the moar frames
2015-12-21T10:47:17 < upgrdman> ideal battlestation http://i.imgur.com/3O3FUJW.jpg
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2015-12-21T10:47:53 < dongs> makes sense
2015-12-21T10:48:03 < dongs> you can chat and shit and then back to chat
2015-12-21T10:48:09 < dongs> without moving much
2015-12-21T10:48:20 < upgrdman> *nods*
2015-12-21T10:48:23 < dongs> it can still be optimized tho
2015-12-21T10:48:30 < dongs> replacing the chair
2015-12-21T10:48:47 < dongs> then you can just shit on demand
2015-12-21T10:48:48 < upgrdman> rolling desk. just sit on the toilet 100% of the time
2015-12-21T10:49:14 < PeterM> toilets are bad for leg bloodflow
2015-12-21T10:49:20 < PeterM> avoid sitting for long durations
2015-12-21T10:51:28 < dongs> PeterM: have you capitalized on stoner biz yet
2015-12-21T10:51:42 < dongs> apparently weed vaporizers are the IN thing
2015-12-21T10:51:46 < dongs> whatever the fuck that is
2015-12-21T10:51:55 < dongs> just a hbridge pulsing some heating coil??
2015-12-21T10:52:48 < dongs> there's a pretty decent lookin design with some cortex-m atmel micro
2015-12-21T10:52:49 < dongs> and usb
2015-12-21T10:52:52 < dongs> and a proper battey manager IC
2015-12-21T10:53:00 < dongs> just need to add bluetooth and/or wifi
2015-12-21T10:53:04 < dongs> tweet each puff
2015-12-21T10:53:14 < zyp> heh
2015-12-21T10:53:25 < dongs> or zyp
2015-12-21T10:54:10 < zyp> idk, I don't give a fuck about that shit
2015-12-21T10:54:28 < dongs> <privmsg/PeterM> you fucking asshole how dare you disclose my business plan
2015-12-21T10:54:34 < dongs> zyp: of course you dont have to give a fuck about it
2015-12-21T10:54:42 < dongs> but there's a big markup on hardware :p
2015-12-21T10:55:10 < dongs> and stoners are always out of stock
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2015-12-21T10:55:24 < dongs> ^ ragequit
2015-12-21T10:55:31 < dongs> probably a secret toker
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2015-12-21T10:58:40 < PeterM> dongs its not even that, it's jsut like a high current logic level fet and a tact switch and a few resistors 90% of the time
2015-12-21T10:58:52 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-21T10:59:22 < dongs> http://www.evolvapor.com/datasheet/dna200.pdf but this is a bit more pro
2015-12-21T11:00:34 < PeterM> thats just a multiphase buck iirc
2015-12-21T11:00:50 < PeterM> + a micro to asjust
2015-12-21T11:02:20 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/gallery/NOw4X first 3 pics made me think this was some fancy blueray player, then i saw it was a fucking...
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2015-12-21T11:08:04 < dongs> dishwaster?
2015-12-21T11:08:05 < dongs> or something
2015-12-21T11:10:10 < PeterM> yeah dishwasher
2015-12-21T11:10:43 < PeterM> seriously thought it was like a blueray library thingo or osmething
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2015-12-21T12:40:13 < dongs> anyoen know what to do wiht multi-package DHL shipments? do I need 2 AWB labels or just a single label marking 2 cartons?
2015-12-21T12:42:04 < dongs> When shipping multiple express packages under one waybill, affix the original waybill and shipment paperwork to one package. Then affix copies of the waybill to the other packages. Label each box with the total number of boxes in the shipment, such as .1 of 3., .2 of 3. or .3 of 3..
2015-12-21T12:42:09 < dongs> k
2015-12-21T12:42:10 < dongs> http://goglobal.dhl-usa.com/shipping-support-center/prepare-your-shipment/packaging
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2015-12-21T12:51:08 < mtbg> hi
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2015-12-21T13:03:14 < Amperture> Still fiddling with getting SPI working on my 401.
2015-12-21T13:05:03 < Amperture> http://pastebin.com/8xGf8d3u
2015-12-21T13:05:43 < Amperture> Largely unreadable, I'm aware.
2015-12-21T13:06:22 < dongs> stabbing over internet should be a thing
2015-12-21T13:08:29 < Amperture> I'm just sitting here staring at the User Guide and Datasheet.
2015-12-21T13:08:45 < Amperture> Fiddling with different values plugged into CR1.
2015-12-21T13:08:52 < Amperture> SPI1 -> CR1 to be exact
2015-12-21T13:09:20 < Amperture> As well as the GPIOB registers.
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2015-12-21T13:18:25 < dongs> waht isnt working
2015-12-21T13:21:14 < Amperture> Alright, I've tracked down a symptom in debugging
2015-12-21T13:22:17 < Amperture> while(!(SPI1 -> SR & SPI_SR_TXE)); //(in my sendData() function, works fine first time through, hangs after that. So the Transmit Buffer isn't getting emptied)
2015-12-21T13:25:18 < dongs> already that
2015-12-21T13:25:23 < dongs> err nvm
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2015-12-21T13:45:30 < qyx> dongs: http://www.ebay.com/itm/121729819352
2015-12-21T13:45:36 < qyx> can you read that thing?
2015-12-21T13:45:49 < qyx> whats written near red/yellow/black wires
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2015-12-21T13:51:05 < qyx> Tectu: i was in the tectuland recently, too many hills and curved roads.. and no snow
2015-12-21T13:53:43 < dongs> qyx: its chink
2015-12-21T13:53:56 < dongs> but
2015-12-21T13:54:07 < dongs> its colors
2015-12-21T13:54:12 < dongs> but its hard as fuck to make out waht tehy actualyl are
2015-12-21T13:54:21 < Tectu> qyx, hehe, where were you?
2015-12-21T13:55:44 < qyx> mhm, red and black could be 5V output and yellow is the pwm in or 0-5V analog in
2015-12-21T13:56:06 < qyx> Tectu: near Zernez, driving to .it
2015-12-21T13:56:46 < Tectu> qyx, well, that´s a bit far but you could have dropped by for a beer or something
2015-12-21T13:58:51 < dongs> qyx, i'd be able to read it if the picture was actualyl readable
2015-12-21T13:58:53 < dongs> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/I2kAAOSwHnFVzGgt/s-l1600.jpg
2015-12-21T13:58:57 < dongs> is this the biggest size available?
2015-12-21T13:59:18 < qyx> Tectu: and no EU there, expensive fuel, 2eur/minute roaming charges and so on
2015-12-21T13:59:34 < qyx> dongs: yep
2015-12-21T13:59:43 < qyx> didn't find anything bigger
2015-12-21T13:59:57 < Tectu> qyx, well, everything is too expensiv ehere
2015-12-21T14:02:26 < jpa-> except euthanasia?
2015-12-21T14:03:17 < jpa-> oh, that's expensive also, 4000 EUR
2015-12-21T14:04:36 < Amperture> Screw it, I'm going to bed.
2015-12-21T14:13:32 < ReadError> qyx looks like 0-5V pwm control
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2015-12-21T14:32:37 < qyx> yep, probably
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2015-12-21T14:51:33 < dongs> wtf is '0-5v' pwm
2015-12-21T14:51:51 < dongs> are they talking about RC'ing it to a voltage or just talking 0..x as in pwm duty
2015-12-21T14:52:16 < qyx> they are saying it accepts either 5V pwm or 0-5V analog
2015-12-21T14:52:28 < qyx> so I am assuming they have rc filter on the input
2015-12-21T14:53:12 < qyx> anyway, isn't esc32 or afroesc or whatever able to accept ~56V?
2015-12-21T14:54:09 < dongs> no
2015-12-21T14:54:14 < dongs> esc32 was up to 25V-ish
2015-12-21T14:54:20 < dongs> cuz teh gate driver vcc was just coming from vbat directly
2015-12-21T14:54:27 < qyx> meh
2015-12-21T14:54:29 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-21T14:54:50 < dongs> its kinda hard to do properly with 3V micro
2015-12-21T14:55:04 < dongs> cuz with 5V you could drop down to 5V with a switcher and then use a cheap cap doubler to get 10V
2015-12-21T14:55:07 < dongs> and thats enough
2015-12-21T14:55:09 < dongs> for gate drive
2015-12-21T14:55:20 < dongs> but with 3.3V main rail you gotta use a boost or somethign more expensive to get 10-12V
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2015-12-21T14:59:58 < qyx> there are some electric bike 48V controllers but with too many wires
2015-12-21T15:00:30 < dongs> and those are generally real shit too
2015-12-21T15:00:37 < dongs> too many wires = probably sensoredd
2015-12-21T15:03:00 < ReadError> qyx look up VESC
2015-12-21T15:04:59 < qyx> uhm, looks good
2015-12-21T15:05:55 < qyx> only if it was like ~$20
2015-12-21T15:06:06 < dongs> cheap fuck
2015-12-21T15:06:14 < dongs> its $0 if you ghetto it
2015-12-21T15:06:28 < qyx> lol $169
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2015-12-21T15:19:48 < ReadError> ya the BOM isnt super cheap either
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2015-12-21T16:25:26 < ReadError> digikey shipping shit at 1am
2015-12-21T16:25:29 < ReadError> cray
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2015-12-21T17:10:05 < karlp_> jpa-: kakimir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIcztFpx99c
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2015-12-21T18:33:47 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUSmhl2bgkE
2015-12-21T18:34:42 < aandrew> morning stm32
2015-12-21T18:35:08 < ReadError> hahah
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2015-12-21T18:36:42 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/TLiOCw8O614?t=400
2015-12-21T18:36:46 < ReadError> this cant be legit
2015-12-21T18:37:27 < dongs> haha
2015-12-21T18:37:41 < aandrew> lol
2015-12-21T18:37:43 < aandrew> sending that to my son
2015-12-21T18:37:57 < ReadError> is that kids eyes really so bad?
2015-12-21T18:38:05 < ReadError> wtf is he looking at
2015-12-21T18:38:46 < emeb> dad keeps doing that over and over, and always while someone has a camera rolling. Must be legit!
2015-12-21T18:38:50 < aandrew> that's a decent sized sledgehammer
2015-12-21T18:39:00 < aandrew> why would a jap in the middle of the city have such a thing?
2015-12-21T18:46:29 < dongs> haha
2015-12-21T18:46:32 < dongs> 'read the fucking manual';
2015-12-21T18:46:44 < dongs> (watching the t=400 from beginning
2015-12-21T18:46:52 < dongs> also ^ attn zyp if you havent clicked yet
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2015-12-21T19:06:13 < zyp> hmm?
2015-12-21T19:06:30 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUSmhl2bgkE + https://youtu.be/TLiOCw8O614
2015-12-21T19:08:14 < dongs> bedtime
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2015-12-21T19:12:10 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jiffy-the-charger-that-keeps-on-giving#/ more like shit that keeps on shitting
2015-12-21T19:12:21 < dongs> these guys look like the same dudes who did matchboxarm
2015-12-21T19:13:59 < zyp> heh, people in the youtube vids have a funny dialect
2015-12-21T19:14:10 < zyp> rest of it was pretty unfunny, too staged
2015-12-21T19:14:19 < dongs> psh
2015-12-21T19:15:05 < zyp> like a jap clone of this shit: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAngryGrandpaShow
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2015-12-21T19:17:57 < dongs> sorry to disappoint I'll commit sudoku right now
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2015-12-21T19:21:42 < emeb> make sure it's honorable.
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2015-12-21T19:37:43 < trepidacious> Jiffy represents a USB charger that mechanically produces electricity without eliminating toxic substances into the atmosphere.
2015-12-21T19:37:48 < trepidacious> I think that's pretty clear.
2015-12-21T19:42:29 < karlp> eliminate all the things
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2015-12-21T20:03:01 < BrainDamage> >For the people that are less technical, Jiffy with the 1500mA can simultaneously charge 6 smart phones with 4” screens that are navigating the internet through Wi-Fi, or 4 smart phones that are navigating the internet through 3G.
2015-12-21T20:03:29 < BrainDamage> where the hell are they getting their figures? i'm pretty sure with even just 500mA most phones will be barely charging
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2015-12-21T20:20:26 < upgrdman_> is this some dickstarter product?
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2015-12-21T20:32:41 < BrainDamage> indiegogo, but yes
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2015-12-21T21:38:55 < Fleck> fenugrec: nope, I did not! :(
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2015-12-21T21:46:18 < kakimir> wifi does not consume anything
2015-12-21T21:46:44 < kakimir> compared to 3G
2015-12-21T21:48:06 < kakimir> there is no comparison
2015-12-21T21:49:08 < BrainDamage> ofc, one is a 3W radio, the other is 100mW, still my points stands, you'll have an hard time charging 2 phones in airplane mode with that
2015-12-21T21:49:31 < BrainDamage> plus good luck the physical fatigue after a while
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2015-12-21T21:55:56 < zyp> 1500mA each or total?
2015-12-21T21:56:46 < upgrdman_> any verilog pros awake?
2015-12-21T21:56:57 < upgrdman_> when you instantiate a module, perhaps calling it "foo" ... what is foo called? an "object"?
2015-12-21T21:57:21 < jpa-> an instance?
2015-12-21T21:57:22 < zyp> instance?
2015-12-21T21:57:27 < zyp> I'm just guessing
2015-12-21T21:57:32 < upgrdman_> ok
2015-12-21T21:57:33 < jpa-> i'm always just guessing
2015-12-21T21:57:37 < upgrdman_> :)
2015-12-21T21:58:06 < Steffann> Your wife must hate you
2015-12-21T21:58:37 < Steffann> mr T too.
2015-12-21T21:58:50 < upgrdman_> "does this make my ass look big?" "i guess."
2015-12-21T21:59:37 < jpa-> Steffann: not like i tell them that
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2015-12-21T22:08:44 < kakimir> phones do not consume shit in airplane mode
2015-12-21T22:09:03 < jpa-> except if you, like, use them
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2015-12-21T22:09:21 < jpa-> they don't consume much anything in standby connected to network either
2015-12-21T22:09:23 < kakimir> connect your flagship supershit to bench supply
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2015-12-21T22:09:36 < kakimir> open the screen
2015-12-21T22:10:13 < kakimir> current bounces from zeros
2015-12-21T22:10:13 < jpa-> ..and?
2015-12-21T22:10:41 < kakimir> to.. 100mA or so?
2015-12-21T22:10:55 < jpa-> depends totally on samplerate
2015-12-21T22:11:21 < kakimir> if we presume averaging
2015-12-21T22:11:53 < jpa-> ok, then the average is somewhere 10-20mA typically
2015-12-21T22:12:02 < kakimir> screen?
2015-12-21T22:12:10 < jpa-> well depends on brightness
2015-12-21T22:12:13 < kakimir> radios ?
2015-12-21T22:12:31 < kakimir> no screen no radios?
2015-12-21T22:12:41 < jpa-> what is your point?
2015-12-21T22:13:05 < kakimir> that 500mA cam charge your phone
2015-12-21T22:13:25 < jpa-> yeah, if not using the phone
2015-12-21T22:14:03 < kakimir> yeah you dont need to run cpu burner
2015-12-21T22:14:23 < jpa-> the claim was "while navigating internet", which typical sites full of javascript ads would be near 100% load anyway
2015-12-21T22:14:50 < kakimir> can we assume mobile pages?
2015-12-21T22:14:54 < jpa-> why?
2015-12-21T22:15:08 < jpa-> also where is the 500mA coming from
2015-12-21T22:15:17 < jpa-> the claim was 250mA
2015-12-21T22:15:26 < kakimir> okay
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2015-12-21T22:48:21 < gordonjcp> hello
2015-12-21T22:51:28 < jpa-> hello
2015-12-21T22:51:58 < gordonjcp> jpa-: I know your nick from somewhere else... :-)
2015-12-21T22:52:43 < gordonjcp> I bought one of those "minimum STM32F103C8T6" el-cheapo boards from eBay
2015-12-21T22:52:48 < gordonjcp> http://artofcircuits.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/STM32F103C8T6-Development-Board-1.jpg
2015-12-21T22:53:18 < gordonjcp> using stlink and one of my VL Discovery boards I can write to it and get it to do stuff
2015-12-21T22:53:32  * PaulFertser too, to add a USB HID interface to a v977 transmitter.
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2015-12-21T22:53:40 < gordonjcp> aha!
2015-12-21T22:53:49 < gordonjcp> PaulFertser: did you get the USB working yet?
2015-12-21T22:54:38 < PaulFertser> gordonjcp: the shit didn't arrive yet :(
2015-12-21T22:54:47 < gordonjcp> ah
2015-12-21T22:55:00 < PaulFertser> gordonjcp: but I'm sure I will get USB working, as I have it working in a ghetto way on an f1 nucleo board already.
2015-12-21T22:55:09 < gordonjcp> okay so I believe I have to set a GPIO line high to enable a pull-up on it
2015-12-21T22:55:24 < gordonjcp> but I can't work out which one and I can't find enough documentation on the board
2015-12-21T22:55:48 < PaulFertser> gordonjcp: lol, it's just a 2 layer board, right? Put your dmm in continuity testing mode and check.
2015-12-21T22:57:26 < gordonjcp> PaulFertser: but my DMM is in the van, and it's raining outside
2015-12-21T22:57:32 < PaulFertser> gordonjcp: I do not see any transistor there, probably it's just pulled up all the time?
2015-12-21T22:57:37 < gordonjcp> :-/ Dear Lazyweb, <grumble>
2015-12-21T22:57:49 < gordonjcp> on other boards it's a 1.5k resistor to another GPIO pin
2015-12-21T22:58:37 < PaulFertser> gordonjcp: it seems like the traces are clearly visible, just the angle on that specific photo is a bit wrong so the jumpers obscure the relevant part.
2015-12-21T22:58:43 < gordonjcp> yeah
2015-12-21T22:59:03 < gordonjcp> all the resistors are on the bottom side of the board
2015-12-21T22:59:23 < PaulFertser> gordonjcp: even if that has a permanent pullup you can still override it with a hack: put D+ in GPIO mode and output 0 (that's what gadgetzero from libopencm3 does), works just fine.
2015-12-21T23:00:40 < PaulFertser> gordonjcp: if the flash is clear, do you see anything in dmesg about new full speed device? That would indicate that the resistor is a permanent pullup.
2015-12-21T23:00:51 < PaulFertser> (when attaching I mean)
2015-12-21T23:02:33 < PaulFertser> gordonjcp: probably that "R" should be bridged to nearby 3.3 and that would work? :)
2015-12-21T23:03:26 < gordonjcp> PaulFertser: http://gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/stm32.txt
2015-12-21T23:03:58 < PaulFertser> gordonjcp: looks like permanent pullup to me. Is that with blank flash and no mods?
2015-12-21T23:04:20 < gordonjcp> that's unmodified, it's running the opencm3 miniblink demo
2015-12-21T23:04:47 < PaulFertser> gordonjcp: ok, try stm32f1 gadgetzero from that lib (not examples).
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2015-12-21T23:06:34 < gordonjcp> aha, that's working
2015-12-21T23:06:56 < gordonjcp> right that's given me a baseline to compare from
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2015-12-21T23:11:39 < PaulFertser> Please somebody add sane heli support to crrcsim
2015-12-21T23:12:26 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/b/src/1450718831740.jpg
2015-12-21T23:13:48 < Laurenceb_> shiiit meanwhile in Oxford UK  http://8ch.net/b/src/1450719652697.jpg
2015-12-21T23:14:26 < kakimir> Laurance!
2015-12-21T23:29:00 < kakimir> tell me more about UK
2015-12-21T23:34:10 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: lol
2015-12-21T23:34:14 < aandrew> both are good
2015-12-21T23:44:19 < Laurenceb_> any car gurus here?
2015-12-21T23:44:38 < Laurenceb_> what could cause a burning smell from the air vents on a diesel?
2015-12-21T23:45:56 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-21T23:46:03 < kakimir> leaking exhaust
2015-12-21T23:46:04 < kakimir> or
2015-12-21T23:46:26 < Laurenceb_> theres no significant smell inside the engine compartment
2015-12-21T23:46:43 < kakimir> friend had leak in injector
2015-12-21T23:46:53 < Laurenceb_> its a sort of overheated wiring smell mixed with antifreeze
2015-12-21T23:47:00 < Laurenceb_> there is a leak of coolant somewhere too
2015-12-21T23:47:08 < Laurenceb_> dont know if its the same issue
2015-12-21T23:47:28 < kakimir> cylinder head gasket
2015-12-21T23:47:37 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2015-12-21T23:47:40 < kakimir> friend had leak in injector
2015-12-21T23:47:45 < Laurenceb_> I see
2015-12-21T23:47:57 < Laurenceb_> someone suggested overheated clutch
2015-12-21T23:48:08 < kakimir> it was horrible to be in that car
2015-12-21T23:48:11 < Laurenceb_> but that doesnt explain the coolant leak
2015-12-21T23:48:13 < Laurenceb_> heh
2015-12-21T23:48:21 < kakimir> breathe voporizing diesel
2015-12-21T23:48:23 < Laurenceb_> this is a 1994 opel
2015-12-21T23:48:37 < kakimir> clutch has special smell
2015-12-21T23:48:44 < Laurenceb_>  ~250000km
2015-12-21T23:49:03 < kakimir> and you would notice problem with clutch anyways
2015-12-21T23:49:18 < Laurenceb_> yeah clutch seems fine
2015-12-21T23:49:21 < kakimir> on low gears
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2015-12-21T23:51:38 < celeron55> what kind of burning smell?
2015-12-21T23:51:51 < Laurenceb_> smells like overheated wiring
2015-12-21T23:52:19 < Laurenceb_> I thought it was the wiper motor (which is broken), but I've taken that off and problem is still there
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2015-12-21T23:53:22 < celeron55> i would guess that you could smell it somewhere under the hood; maybe not easily but locating it in there would be obviously very useful
2015-12-21T23:53:50 < celeron55> if not, then you have to consider the ventilation stuff
2015-12-21T23:54:19 < celeron55> there's at least the blower motor, the blower motor resistor and the heater core
2015-12-21T23:55:52 < celeron55> i wouldn't expect anything less than a challenge in properly diagnosing this :P
2015-12-21T23:57:56 < Laurenceb_> heh
2015-12-21T23:58:02 < celeron55> it's very unlikely that the coolant smell and the burning smell are the same issue
2015-12-21T23:58:07 < BrainDamage> no canbus on such old models?
2015-12-21T23:58:10 < Laurenceb_> yeah there is a slight odor up under the wipers
2015-12-21T23:58:14 < Laurenceb_> ooh good point
2015-12-21T23:58:19 < Laurenceb_> it does have canbus
2015-12-21T23:58:28 < Laurenceb_> dunno how much stuff is connected to it though
2015-12-21T23:58:44 < kakimir> maybe you have burning wiring
2015-12-21T23:58:56 < kakimir> and your car burns to ground tomorrow
2015-12-21T23:59:04 < Laurenceb_> hehe
2015-12-21T23:59:16 < Laurenceb_> probably for the best, its worth next to nothing
2015-12-21T23:59:36 < celeron55> try running the blower motor without the engine on and see if it smells
2015-12-21T23:59:50 < celeron55> before even starting the thing
2015-12-21T23:59:58 < Laurenceb_> yeah I'll try that
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2015-12-22T00:00:07 < Laurenceb_> are Hayes manuals online for free?
2015-12-22T00:00:21 < zyp> my car has corrosion in the fuse box, so shit stops working randomly
2015-12-22T00:01:15 < celeron55> Laurenceb_: i'd try this http://www.manualslib.com/o/opel+1994.html
2015-12-22T00:01:35 < Laurenceb_> oh nice, thanks :D
2015-12-22T00:01:36 < celeron55> some crazy guys set up that free site full of manuals a few years ago; it's very useful
2015-12-22T00:01:54 < celeron55> i don't know how they deal with the legal issues but eh
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2015-12-22T00:02:19 < zyp> clutch in my car is going bad as well, smelled rather burnt when I was maneuvering a trailer last week :p
2015-12-22T00:02:21 < Laurenceb_> I don't understand how the vent system works, so seeing a diagram would help a lot
2015-12-22T00:03:26 < celeron55> my car needs a new clutch, new rear brakes, new propeller shaft, fails to pass emissions and has a small head gasket leak; i might need to not try to fix it and do something productive instead 8)
2015-12-22T00:03:36 < zyp> haha
2015-12-22T00:04:08 < zyp> my car is due for inspection by the end of february
2015-12-22T00:04:20 < celeron55> oh, and new rear control arms; it's completely ridiculous at this point
2015-12-22T00:04:20 < zyp> last time I replaced all four brake discs
2015-12-22T00:05:11 < zyp> I've ordered a new car now, which I'm getting in a few months, so I don't worry much about it now
2015-12-22T00:05:56 < zyp> but I'm kinda tempted to get an inspection anyway to check how much I don't have to fix :p
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2015-12-22T00:06:44 < gordonjcp> Laurenceb_: in a car?  Typically there's a fan that sucks air in from just below the windscreen, blows it through a little radiator to warm it up, and then out through some flappy doors to the vents
2015-12-22T00:06:49 < celeron55> zyp: which new car did you deem worth buying, if i may ask?
2015-12-22T00:07:16 < Laurenceb_> gordonjcp: ok, didn't realise it had a dedicated radiator
2015-12-22T00:07:23 < zyp> VW e-Golf
2015-12-22T00:07:44 < zyp> looking forward to see how they've managed to cheat with the emissions on that ;)
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2015-12-22T00:07:54 < celeron55> that's an interesting one for sure
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2015-12-22T00:08:47 < kakimir> lacker has it's own smell
2015-12-22T00:08:52 < kakimir> coil lacker
2015-12-22T00:08:55 < gordonjcp> Laurenceb_: yeah that's how it heats the air
2015-12-22T00:09:13 < gordonjcp> Laurenceb_: if you've got air conditioning there's an evaporator which is another radiator full of cold stuff :-)
2015-12-22T00:09:35 < zyp> EVs still gets nice perks in norway, and it'll suit my use pretty nice
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2015-12-22T00:09:37 < Laurenceb_> yeah its a basic model, no air con
2015-12-22T00:09:46 < BrainDamage> some high end models also have a resistive heater
2015-12-22T00:09:52 < BrainDamage> while the engine is cold
2015-12-22T00:10:14 < BrainDamage> others just recicle the coolant from engine
2015-12-22T00:10:22 < zyp> currently you pay no sales tax on EVs (which is normally 25%), so that's a 20% discount compared to other cars
2015-12-22T00:10:23 < BrainDamage> to heat up
2015-12-22T00:10:31 < gordonjcp> What kind of car?
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2015-12-22T00:10:38 < gordonjcp> Laurenceb_:
2015-12-22T00:11:04 < Laurenceb_> old opel diesel
2015-12-22T00:11:08 < Laurenceb_> corsa
2015-12-22T00:11:26 < gordonjcp> hm okay, and it's got a smell of burning?
2015-12-22T00:11:41 < Laurenceb_> yeah, from the air vents
2015-12-22T00:12:11 < Laurenceb_> very faint smell below the wipers with the hood up
2015-12-22T00:12:21 < zyp> ventilation fan bearings?
2015-12-22T00:12:32 < zyp> or coils or whatever
2015-12-22T00:12:45 < zyp> ventilation fan on my car died a few years ago
2015-12-22T00:13:08 < Laurenceb_> theres still a smell when the fan is off
2015-12-22T00:13:31 < gordonjcp> like burning wiring, kind of burning?
2015-12-22T00:13:47 < Laurenceb_> yes
2015-12-22T00:14:00 < Laurenceb_> but there is also an antifreeze type smell
2015-12-22T00:14:06 < Laurenceb_> and its loosing coolant
2015-12-22T00:14:20 < Laurenceb_> about 100ml/hour
2015-12-22T00:14:29 < gordonjcp> ah
2015-12-22T00:14:29 < zyp> coolant leak in the heater then
2015-12-22T00:14:37 < gordonjcp> yeah, heater matrix is burst
2015-12-22T00:14:40 < gordonjcp> pig of a job
2015-12-22T00:14:54 < celeron55> at 100ml/h it's going to smell so much of coolant that nobody could avoid not smelling it
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2015-12-22T00:15:08 < celeron55> avoid smelling it*
2015-12-22T00:15:10 < zyp> I think it'll leave antifreeze residue on the inside of the windshield if that's the case
2015-12-22T00:15:20 < Laurenceb_> it is very steamy inside
2015-12-22T00:15:25 < zyp> haha
2015-12-22T00:15:30 < gordonjcp> Laurenceb_: what you could do, is find the heater matrix pipes and pinch them shut with something
2015-12-22T00:15:31 < Laurenceb_> looks like the car from Titanic
2015-12-22T00:15:46 < Laurenceb_> ok
2015-12-22T00:15:46 < gordonjcp> see if that stops it leaking
2015-12-22T00:15:54 < gordonjcp> if it does, you get to take the dashboard out
2015-12-22T00:15:55 < Laurenceb_> but would the coolant smell burnt?
2015-12-22T00:15:58 < gordonjcp> yup
2015-12-22T00:16:00 < zyp> yeah
2015-12-22T00:16:03 < gordonjcp> it's a really sharp acid-y smell
2015-12-22T00:16:12 < Laurenceb_> its like a mixture of alcoholic and burning
2015-12-22T00:16:13 < Laurenceb_> oh ok
2015-12-22T00:16:33 < gordonjcp> get some antifreeze, pour it on a hot bit of metal
2015-12-22T00:16:45 < Laurenceb_> heh ok
2015-12-22T00:16:56 < gordonjcp> it'll smell like melted plastic / vinegar / burnt pepper
2015-12-22T00:16:56 < zyp> in my car, the heater loop is hooked up through two hoses going to fittings on the wall
2015-12-22T00:16:58 < gordonjcp> something like that
2015-12-22T00:17:06 < gordonjcp> yeah
2015-12-22T00:17:13 < zyp> so you could just pull them off and hook them together
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2015-12-22T00:17:26 < gordonjcp> that's what I did when the heater matrix O-rings were leaking in mine
2015-12-22T00:17:28 < Laurenceb_> ok thats kind of what it smells like
2015-12-22T00:17:28 < zyp> to remove the flow through the heater
2015-12-22T00:17:31 < gordonjcp> in bloody February
2015-12-22T00:17:45 < gordonjcp> fixed that pretty quickly
2015-12-22T00:18:02 < zyp> I had a coolant leak some years ago
2015-12-22T00:18:24 < zyp> but I had a really hard time locating it
2015-12-22T00:18:56 < zyp> then I discovered coolant around where the dipstick tube protudes from the engine block
2015-12-22T00:19:06 < celeron55> the heater core is almost always installed very close to the inside side of the firewall and two hoses go into it from the engine compartment; and due to that location replacing it generally requires removal of dash
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2015-12-22T00:19:36 < zyp> and then it still took me a long time to figure out that the problem was that one of the heater hoses had been rubbing against the dipstick tube
2015-12-22T00:19:55 < zyp> and the leaking coolant trickled down along the backside of the dipstick tube
2015-12-22T00:20:05 < gordonjcp> zyp: on mine there are two O-rings on the ends of metal pipes that go into the heater
2015-12-22T00:20:43 < gordonjcp> dead easy to change, just undo the screw to release the clamp, pop the dried-out cracked bits of the old ones out, pop the new ones on, and screw the clamp in again
2015-12-22T00:20:47 < zyp> celeron55, hehe, that's why I've been driving for years without a working fan
2015-12-22T00:20:58 < celeron55> the fan is often much easier
2015-12-22T00:21:05 < gordonjcp> the screw is the first thing that they hung from a wire in the factory ceiling
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2015-12-22T00:21:07 < zyp> there's plenty of airflow anyway when the car is moving
2015-12-22T00:21:14 < gordonjcp> the whole car is built around that screw
2015-12-22T00:21:49 < gordonjcp> I found that by taking the radiator out and bending a plastic air duct out of the way, I could unscrew it from the back seat with a really really long screwdriver
2015-12-22T00:22:02 < gordonjcp> s/radiator/radio/
2015-12-22T00:22:40 < zyp> I'm too lazy
2015-12-22T00:23:06 < zyp> easier to just throw a rag in the car to wipe fog off the windshield than fixing the fan so I can wait for the heater to remove it
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2015-12-22T00:23:43 < zyp> once the car is moving, there's airflow enough anyway
2015-12-22T00:23:43 < gordonjcp> as long as you swap the rag out for a dry one every so often
2015-12-22T00:24:37 < zyp> oh well, really looking forward to replace that car :p
2015-12-22T00:25:00 < zyp> so I can start getting annoyed by new issues like short battery range
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2015-12-22T00:25:59 < celeron55> a bit over 100km it seems
2015-12-22T00:26:17 < zyp> depends on a bunch of stuff, like temperature and speed and shit
2015-12-22T00:26:26 < celeron55> i guess they have to get the price low somehow
2015-12-22T00:26:35 < zyp> 100km a bad day, 170km a good day is what I'm hearing
2015-12-22T00:26:44 < gordonjcp> electric?
2015-12-22T00:26:52 < zyp> yeah, the e-Golf
2015-12-22T00:26:54 < gordonjcp> must be nice to not have to care about the environment
2015-12-22T00:27:47 < zyp> well, I don't think range is a major problem
2015-12-22T00:28:03 < gordonjcp> 100km is a bit short for me
2015-12-22T00:28:16 < gordonjcp> really 100km?
2015-12-22T00:28:30 < celeron55> i'd be fine having 100-170km range
2015-12-22T00:28:32 < gordonjcp> 200km would be pushing it
2015-12-22T00:28:41 < zyp> going to work and back home is <10km, going shopping in the city I live next to will likely be <100km total
2015-12-22T00:28:50 < celeron55> of course it wouldn't work for all trips, but it would work for all daily trips
2015-12-22T00:28:59 < gordonjcp> I can't think of anything I'd use a car that could only do a 60 mile round trip for
2015-12-22T00:29:27 < zyp> and the major roads in the area have charging points at regular enough intervals that longer trips shouldn't be a huge concern either
2015-12-22T00:29:29 < celeron55> what kind of place does gordonjcp live in?
2015-12-22T00:29:47 < gordonjcp> celeron55: central Scotland, more or less
2015-12-22T00:30:30 < celeron55> so the nearest city is 30 miles away i guess then
2015-12-22T00:30:40 < gordonjcp> celeron55: well about 10 miles
2015-12-22T00:30:45 < zyp> having to stop for half an hour to charge every two hours or so may be an annoyance, but I can probably get used to that
2015-12-22T00:30:56 < gordonjcp> celeron55: not really worth taking the car
2015-12-22T00:31:05 < zyp> since on longer trips I would have to stop somewhere to eat and piss anyway
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2015-12-22T00:32:51 < celeron55> gordonjcp: what kind of transport works better for that 10 mile trip?
2015-12-22T00:32:57 < gordonjcp> celeron55: bike
2015-12-22T00:33:30 < gordonjcp> celeron55: actually if I'm driving into town, I'm usually in my work van
2015-12-22T00:33:43 < gordonjcp> and that pretty much needs several hundred miles tank range
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2015-12-22T00:33:54 < gordonjcp> if I'm just popping to the shops I'll cycle
2015-12-22T00:34:29 < celeron55> makes sense
2015-12-22T00:34:33 < gordonjcp> if I'm going a longer distance like round to visit my mum, maybe about a 200 mile journey I'll take my own car
2015-12-22T00:35:03 < gordonjcp> which runs on LPG so is cheaper and cleaner than damn near anything else
2015-12-22T00:35:21 < celeron55> it's funny to have these problems with electric cars when tesla would cover any of these trips we are considering to be problems
2015-12-22T00:35:43 < zyp> well, sure
2015-12-22T00:35:53 < zyp> I'd buy a tesla if I could afford it
2015-12-22T00:35:57 < gordonjcp> celeron55: if Tesla did a car-derived van, Citroen Berlingo sort of thing, with about 200 miles range I'd buy it
2015-12-22T00:36:00 < zyp> if I had twice as much to spend :)
2015-12-22T00:36:08 < celeron55> it's ridiculously expensive for sure
2015-12-22T00:36:12 < gordonjcp> well
2015-12-22T00:36:24 < gordonjcp> it's not really, considering it's at the start of the technology curve
2015-12-22T00:36:30 < zyp> in norway it's rather cheap actually
2015-12-22T00:36:33 < celeron55> it's impressive when you consider that
2015-12-22T00:36:35 < gordonjcp> zyp: no tax?
2015-12-22T00:36:39 < zyp> compared to cars with combustion engines
2015-12-22T00:36:40 < celeron55> but it's still impossible for me at least
2015-12-22T00:36:41 < zyp> yes
2015-12-22T00:36:47 < gordonjcp> celeron55: it's a lot of money for a car, that doesn't feel like an 80 grand car
2015-12-22T00:37:13 < zyp> like I mentioned, sales tax here is 25% normally, 0% for EVs, so that's a 20% discount in itself
2015-12-22T00:37:21 < gordonjcp> yup
2015-12-22T00:37:40 < celeron55> in finland there are no tax benefits at all to electric cars 8)
2015-12-22T00:37:58 < zyp> the bmw i3 rex is in a weird situation here
2015-12-22T00:38:10 < celeron55> then norway sells oil to us and drives electric themselves
2015-12-22T00:38:32 < zyp> the normal EV i3 gets all the benefits, the rex (that just adds a small generator) gets classified as hybrid and gets no benefits
2015-12-22T00:38:51 < zyp> so that small addition becomes super expensive
2015-12-22T00:38:59 < ReadError> maybe they can remove the sparkplugs
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2015-12-22T00:39:51 < gordonjcp> zyp: fit a tow bar
2015-12-22T00:39:57 < gordonjcp> tow a generator behind it
2015-12-22T00:40:04 < zyp> :p
2015-12-22T00:40:35 < gordonjcp> I do like the Teslas
2015-12-22T00:40:55 < gordonjcp> but they need to get an interior that looks like it belongs in a car worth that much :-)
2015-12-22T00:40:58 < gordonjcp> it's a bit plasticky
2015-12-22T00:41:11 < zyp> I haven't actually been inside one yet
2015-12-22T00:41:19 < zyp> just seen a ton of them from the outside
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2015-12-22T00:41:39 < celeron55> i'm worried that their next model isn't going to be as cheap as people are (or I am) hoping for
2015-12-22T00:42:04 < gordonjcp> zyp: it's a bit like a mid-spec VW or Skoda
2015-12-22T00:42:09 < zyp> question is how large batteries they'll sell it with
2015-12-22T00:42:40 < celeron55> the balancing of supply and demand is going to be interesting to observe
2015-12-22T00:42:52 < gordonjcp> zyp: it's solid enough and comfortable
2015-12-22T00:43:07 < gordonjcp> but I just feel like my 18-year-old Range Rover is a nicer place to sit
2015-12-22T00:43:24 < gordonjcp> and of course, mine's cleaner to run
2015-12-22T00:43:47 < gordonjcp> maybe if we get rid of a few coal-fired power stations that'll change
2015-12-22T00:43:53 < zyp> hehe
2015-12-22T00:44:14 < zyp> norway is hydroelectric, to a large degree
2015-12-22T00:44:36 < zyp> oh
2015-12-22T00:44:42 < zyp> >99% apparently
2015-12-22T00:44:54 < gordonjcp> we've got a lot of hydroelectric, and quite a lot of wind power
2015-12-22T00:45:01 < gordonjcp> but the wind power is very unreliable
2015-12-22T00:45:14 < zyp> well, of course
2015-12-22T00:45:19 < gordonjcp> we did the numbers one night in the pub so it might be wrong
2015-12-22T00:45:38 < zyp> but hydroelectric dams can be regulated for demand
2015-12-22T00:46:04 < gordonjcp> but burning enough coal to charge a Tesla for 200 miles puts out more CO2, more water vapour and massively more soot, HC and CO than running a four litre V8 on propane for 200 miles :-)
2015-12-22T00:46:10 < zyp> so you generate as much as possible from wind and solar and add the rest with hydroelectric
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2015-12-22T00:46:23 < gordonjcp> zyp: yeah, pump storage is good for that
2015-12-22T00:47:09 < celeron55> i would imagine any coal power plant running today to be way more efficient than any car
2015-12-22T00:47:20 < celeron55> like 2x probably
2015-12-22T00:47:40 < celeron55> enough to at least cover the electricity losses
2015-12-22T00:47:46 < BrainDamage> that's simply because they can run hot
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2015-12-22T00:48:19 < gordonjcp> celeron55: *if* they're modern designs
2015-12-22T00:48:23 < BrainDamage> high efficiency power plants can run up with combined cycles with 600°C+ on the hot side
2015-12-22T00:48:29 < gordonjcp> celeron55: we don't have any modern infrastructure in the UK
2015-12-22T00:48:36 < zyp> not my problem :)
2015-12-22T00:48:44 < BrainDamage> the problem of coal is that it's stilly dirty as shit, so you either desuphurate, add filters, etc
2015-12-22T00:48:48 < BrainDamage> or be china
2015-12-22T00:48:49 < celeron55> gordonjcp: are you sure it's *that* old?
2015-12-22T00:48:53 < gordonjcp> we've had 30 years of right-wing misrule, so if they can't work out how to sell it to their mates at a profit they don't want to know
2015-12-22T00:50:44 < celeron55> (i can't pretend to know much about the non-CO2 emissions of coal power plants though)
2015-12-22T00:50:57 < zyp> shame there's not more nuclear, people are more afraid of powerplants that pollute when they malfunction than powerplants that pollute when they work perfectly
2015-12-22T00:51:03 < gordonjcp> zyp: yeah
2015-12-22T00:51:11 < gordonjcp> there's no such thing as nuclear waste
2015-12-22T00:51:25 < gordonjcp> just stuff you haven't set your second fast-breeder reactor up for yet
2015-12-22T00:53:11 < upgrdman_> LeelooMinai, with the machxo2's... if vccio is 3.3V, does it matter what LVCMOS version you choose for a pin?
2015-12-22T00:53:14 < BrainDamage> people see fast breeders with shifty eyes, as if they could magically control plutonium enrichments
2015-12-22T00:53:19 < BrainDamage> -s
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2015-12-22T00:54:24 < zyp> upgrdman_, isn't the point of that to get the propagation times right to ensure the design meets timing?
2015-12-22T00:54:42 < upgrdman_> oops, posted in the wrong channel too.
2015-12-22T00:55:07 < gordonjcp> oh if we're going to drift into on-topic
2015-12-22T00:55:11 < zyp> upgrdman_, sorry for answering :)
2015-12-22T00:55:23 < gordonjcp> SPI RAM, what sort of speeds can I expect?
2015-12-22T00:55:31 < upgrdman_> zyp, dont know, but how would cmos voltage affect prop times?
2015-12-22T00:55:38 < zyp> gordonjcp, is SPI RAM a thing?
2015-12-22T00:55:53 < gordonjcp> zyp: yes
2015-12-22T00:56:02 < zyp> sounds useless
2015-12-22T00:56:49 < zyp> what's the point of slow volatile memory?
2015-12-22T00:57:04 < zyp> or even volatile memory without direct addressing?
2015-12-22T00:57:28 < gordonjcp> zyp: well, you write the address and data over SPI
2015-12-22T00:57:44 < zyp> sure, but how would it be useful?
2015-12-22T00:57:58 < gordonjcp> zyp: how would any RAM be useful?
2015-12-22T00:58:06 < gordonjcp> you store stuff in it
2015-12-22T00:58:32 < zyp> I'm just having a hard time imagining what would be useful to store in SPI RAM
2015-12-22T00:59:01 < gordonjcp> stuff that's too big to fit into the very small amount of RAM that microcontrollers have
2015-12-22T00:59:09 < gordonjcp> maybe you want to log some data to send later
2015-12-22T00:59:57 < zyp> why not use flash or something? I don't see the benefit from having non-memory mapped volatile memory
2015-12-22T01:00:16 < gordonjcp> because flash is relatively slow
2015-12-22T01:00:29 < gordonjcp> and you can really only write it in blocks
2015-12-22T01:00:31 < zyp> and SPI is relatively slow
2015-12-22T01:00:42 < gordonjcp> no, I mean flash is *really* slow
2015-12-22T01:01:00 < gordonjcp> stuff you use in SSDs is hideously expensive
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2015-12-22T01:01:39 < zyp> decent sdcards are cheap and easily does megabytes per second, that's more than you can push through spi
2015-12-22T01:02:15 < gordonjcp> yeah, but writing is slow
2015-12-22T01:02:22 < gordonjcp> and also fairly complicated to interface
2015-12-22T01:02:46 < zyp> uh, sdcards as a block storage are pretty easy to deal with
2015-12-22T01:02:56 < zyp> it's the filesystem that's complicated :)
2015-12-22T01:03:14 < gordonjcp> okay, but if you want to buffer a lot of stuff that changes rapidly you'll kill the flash fairly quickly
2015-12-22T01:03:43 < zyp> so, what kind of capacities are spi ram available in?
2015-12-22T01:03:46 < Lux> still you need ram to buffer sdcard writes
2015-12-22T01:04:07 < zyp> you still need memory mapped ram to buffer spi ram writes
2015-12-22T01:04:28 < Lux> not as much as for an sdcard
2015-12-22T01:04:40 < Lux> but i get your point
2015-12-22T01:04:59 < zyp> sdcard sectors are 512B, if you can't afford that, you've picked the wrong MCU for the project :)
2015-12-22T01:05:03 < Lux> iirc the spec was like 250 ms max delay on a write ?
2015-12-22T01:05:14 < zyp> don't remember
2015-12-22T01:05:19 < Lux> you need a lot more if you write megabytes/s
2015-12-22T01:05:27 < gordonjcp> zyp: 1Mbit, maybe more
2015-12-22T01:05:36 < Lux> more like 100 kbyte or so
2015-12-22T01:05:58 < zyp> haha
2015-12-22T01:06:08 < zyp> just get a mcu with 100k more memory then?
2015-12-22T01:06:12 < upgrdman_> zyp, any idea of fsmc could memory map spi ram?
2015-12-22T01:06:14 < upgrdman_> if*
2015-12-22T01:06:19 < zyp> no.
2015-12-22T01:06:28 < zyp> FSMC is for parallel memories
2015-12-22T01:06:35 < upgrdman_> tought so. k
2015-12-22T01:07:27 < Lux> or at 100 mbit sdcard write you'd need 25 mbit ram to tolerate 250ms delays on write
2015-12-22T01:07:32 < zyp> some of the newer parts can memory map qspi flash
2015-12-22T01:07:34 < Lux> might get a bit much on an mcu
2015-12-22T01:07:55 < rewolff> The ESP8266 maps SPI ROM into memory space. Directlty executable. Or available for dataaccess....
2015-12-22T01:08:08 < rewolff> Not sure if it can do SPI RAM as well.....
2015-12-22T01:08:52 < zyp> not very useful without a predictive cache between :)
2015-12-22T01:09:24 < kakimir> anyone done NFC stuff?
2015-12-22T01:09:31 < Lux> yep and one of the many reasons zano failed :)
2015-12-22T01:09:54 < zyp> kakimir, yes
2015-12-22T01:10:04 < zyp> well, depends what stuff you're thinking of
2015-12-22T01:10:22 < rewolff> IIRC it has ICACHE and DCACHE, but for rarely-executed code it's nice. But you get to memcpy it into real onboard RAM as well if you want to.
2015-12-22T01:10:52 < zyp> yeah
2015-12-22T01:14:00 < kakimir> I wonder how hard something like bluetooth pairing negotiation is
2015-12-22T01:14:18 < kakimir> is it just one packet from device to phone or so
2015-12-22T01:14:33 < kakimir> hello my bluetooth is this and this please pair it
2015-12-22T01:15:56 < kakimir> maybe I can capture such event and then create just my copy of it with adequate parameters
2015-12-22T01:16:09 < gordonjcp> well the original idea was to use an STM32 as a low-cost audio-rate DSP
2015-12-22T01:16:28 < gordonjcp> but actually hanging enough memory off it to do much is proving difficult
2015-12-22T01:17:20 < ds2> are all the electric generators in the southern part of norway?
2015-12-22T01:19:55 < zyp> where do you draw the border for «southern part of norway»? :)
2015-12-22T01:20:13 < ds2> where the water still flows? :D
2015-12-22T01:20:30 < zyp> hmm, looks like there's plenty of power plants all over
2015-12-22T01:21:16 < ds2> thought the northern part of norway is frozen for at least half a year
2015-12-22T01:21:36 < ds2> does norway have the geothermal stuff like iceland?
2015-12-22T01:21:40 < zyp> no
2015-12-22T01:22:32 < kakimir> norway is not a volcano
2015-12-22T01:22:39 < kakimir> iceland is
2015-12-22T01:23:14 < ds2> I just thought if you dig down the northpole you get hot lava :D
2015-12-22T01:25:08 < BrainDamage> that's everywhere
2015-12-22T01:25:20 < BrainDamage> only difference is how much
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2015-12-22T01:26:10 < kakimir> how deep
2015-12-22T01:26:20 < BrainDamage> 2deep4u
2015-12-22T01:26:29 < kakimir> they are drilling super deep hole in helsinki atm.
2015-12-22T01:26:35 < kakimir> not volcanic area
2015-12-22T01:26:53 < kakimir> they plan to heat 10000houses with it
2015-12-22T01:27:51 < kakimir> or more
2015-12-22T01:28:26 < kakimir> to make that technology more affordable and accessable
2015-12-22T01:28:54 < zyp> but that's just using a heat pump, right?
2015-12-22T01:29:18 < ds2> is there a more meaningful description?
2015-12-22T01:29:21 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump
2015-12-22T01:29:27 < ds2> like how many BTUs they hoping to get
2015-12-22T01:29:44 < ds2> 10000 houses could mean 10000 people shiverring to keep warm
2015-12-22T01:29:58 < ds2> or 100000 people sweltering in a sauna
2015-12-22T01:30:36 < BrainDamage> BTu is an unit of energy, BTU/h i think you mean
2015-12-22T01:30:39 < kakimir> zyp: no heat pump
2015-12-22T01:31:41 < ds2> I mean how much energy they hoping to get out of it
2015-12-22T01:31:49 < ds2> so a unit of energy would be appropriate
2015-12-22T01:31:56 < kakimir> you pump water down to super deep hole
2015-12-22T01:32:05 < kakimir> and have pipe back up
2015-12-22T01:32:07 < karlp> jpa-: phones consume way more when they have marginal coverge, even in standby, compared to good covefrage regions
2015-12-22T01:32:11 < ds2> otherwise, you are back at the ambigious situation where you could be shivering or sweltering
2015-12-22T01:32:33 < kakimir> suddenly water comes back with 100celsius more temperature it had
2015-12-22T01:33:14 < ds2> this is about as useful as saying I can feed 100 people with a cob of corn
2015-12-22T01:33:17 < kakimir> anyone can drill little holes to their yards for little heat to pump
2015-12-22T01:33:27 < ds2> each one gets a single kernel...
2015-12-22T01:39:39 < kakimir> http://futurenergyweb.es/fortum-st1-embark-pilot-project-geothermal-production-espoo/?lang=en
2015-12-22T01:39:43 < Sync> usually it is sufficient to just use a heatpump on a spiral in your garden kakimir
2015-12-22T01:40:11 < kakimir> in here people throw that spiral thing to pond or lake nearby
2015-12-22T01:40:22 < kakimir> so easy
2015-12-22T01:41:34 < Sync> yeah
2015-12-22T01:42:22 < kakimir> what is the problems of heating few cubic meters in second of water by 100celsius degrees in many kilometers deep layer of stone?
2015-12-22T01:43:20 < kakimir> are you saying it's barelly lukewarm bathwater needs some heat pumpin?
2015-12-22T01:44:50 < kakimir> they have not done enough press for this project
2015-12-22T01:45:14 < kakimir> there is nothing but one press report about it
2015-12-22T01:45:25 < kakimir> even the link to details do not work
2015-12-22T01:48:08 < karlp> zyp: we used some spi sram on a uni project back in 1999 or so, because it was cheaper and faster and lower power than external falsh/eeprom _then_ but I agree withyou now, given the price of so8 nor flash these days :)
2015-12-22T01:49:33 < gordonjcp> karlp: how quickly rewritable is nor flash?
2015-12-22T01:49:59 < gordonjcp> karlp: I mean, could it handle buffering data at about 64kbytes/s continuously?
2015-12-22T01:50:47 < Laurenceb_> lol trumped http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
2015-12-22T01:50:48 < karlp> don't knwo don't car,e but I know I wouldn't be looking at a 1Mbit pdip sram on any design these days,
2015-12-22T01:51:02 < karlp> I was just putting up a totally unhelpful usecase of spi ram :)
2015-12-22T01:51:30 < Laurenceb_> you talking about underground thermal storage?
2015-12-22T01:51:52 < Laurenceb_> I was thinking about that the other day, 1 cubic Km could power UK for about  a year
2015-12-22T01:51:58 < Laurenceb_> doesnt seem too hard
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2015-12-22T01:55:54 < Sync> kakimir: mostly putting water in soil where no water belongs
2015-12-22T01:56:01 < Sync> a town here got fucked up really hard
2015-12-22T01:56:42 < Sync> because they managed to put water in a gypsum layer
2015-12-22T01:56:50 < Sync> and of time some parts rose over 2m
2015-12-22T01:58:02 < kakimir> you know what stone is here?
2015-12-22T01:59:13 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granite
2015-12-22T01:59:24 < kakimir> that and almost nothing but that
2015-12-22T01:59:27 < Laurenceb_> I was actually thinking pumping ~300C steam into sandstone
2015-12-22T01:59:44 < Laurenceb_> so it condenses and heats the rock
2015-12-22T01:59:57 < kakimir> there is no sandstone here
2015-12-22T02:00:03 < Laurenceb_> then reduce the pressure to get steam back out and drive a turbine
2015-12-22T02:00:06 < Laurenceb_> screwed :P
2015-12-22T02:00:11 < Sync> wat
2015-12-22T02:00:50 < Laurenceb_> Sync: thermal energy storage in hot, wet rock
2015-12-22T02:00:51 < kakimir> another stone here is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz
2015-12-22T02:01:52 < Laurenceb_> a cubic km would store about 20GWyears and lose about 1GW through conduction
2015-12-22T02:02:11 < dongs> https://twitter.com/shutupmikeginn/status/679045081937018880
2015-12-22T02:02:26 < Laurenceb_> it might be hard to heat it up and fracture the rock, but nukes could come in handy
2015-12-22T02:02:26 < kakimir> 5% of loss
2015-12-22T02:02:54 < kakimir> too much
2015-12-22T02:03:28 < Laurenceb_> kind of like frakking but even more likely to annoy environmentalists
2015-12-22T02:03:34 < kakimir> grid company should forcesell some ups kind of devices that store energy in endpoints
2015-12-22T02:03:37 < Laurenceb_> nuking the rock
2015-12-22T02:03:41 < kakimir> in batterystacks
2015-12-22T02:04:04 < Sync> sounds pro dongs
2015-12-22T02:04:28 < kakimir> they get their grid utilized better as batterystacks balance endpoints
2015-12-22T02:04:33 < kakimir> huge savings
2015-12-22T02:06:33 < kakimir> and ups for everyone
2015-12-22T02:07:00 < kakimir> they can utilize repairmen better
2015-12-22T02:07:39 < Sync> wat
2015-12-22T02:07:50 < kakimir> when there is storm or so
2015-12-22T02:08:08 < kakimir> if you do not live in a city
2015-12-22T02:08:46 < kakimir> there may be power shortages due line failures
2015-12-22T02:09:32 < kakimir> repairmen are all working then for 3days straigth
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2015-12-22T02:53:39 < upgrdman> yo
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2015-12-22T02:57:36 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5bTbVbe4e4
2015-12-22T02:58:22 < jadew> live space-x launch
2015-12-22T02:58:44 < upgrdman> when do they blow their load?
2015-12-22T02:59:45 < Laurenceb_> lol dildo
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2015-12-22T03:02:41 < dongs> whats with faggot music
2015-12-22T03:02:46 < dongs> when does something useful start
2015-12-22T03:02:51 < Laurenceb_> half past
2015-12-22T03:03:03 < dongs> so 30mins later?
2015-12-22T03:04:01 < Laurenceb_> in 25 minutes
2015-12-22T03:04:03 < Sync> teh fuck
2015-12-22T03:04:11 < Sync> livestream works in germoney
2015-12-22T03:04:14 < Sync> that is unusual
2015-12-22T03:04:18 < dongs> why wouldnt it
2015-12-22T03:04:24 < dongs> are germans allergic to livstreams
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2015-12-22T03:05:24 < Sync> our collecting society does not like livestreams
2015-12-22T03:05:31 < Sync> because they could play copyrighted music
2015-12-22T03:06:09 < dongs> hgeh
2015-12-22T03:07:26 < jadew> it started
2015-12-22T03:08:11 < Sync> > anomaly
2015-12-22T03:12:00 < dongs> T-17, nice
2015-12-22T03:12:02 < dongs> they dont fuck around
2015-12-22T03:13:04 < Sync> well better than nasatv where they play crap for 8h until the launch window opens
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2015-12-22T03:13:20 < Sync> dudebro on the right
2015-12-22T03:14:33 < dongs> cool
2015-12-22T03:16:26 < Sync> "cleanroom"
2015-12-22T03:17:14 < dongs> lol 3d printing
2015-12-22T03:17:25 < Sync> well laser Ti sintering is awesome
2015-12-22T03:17:42 < Laurenceb_> not your perman00b "printing"
2015-12-22T03:18:23 < Sync> certainly no sausage laying machine
2015-12-22T03:19:50 < dongs> extended the SIZE
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2015-12-22T03:20:31 < Sync> bigger dick
2015-12-22T03:20:46 < jadew> she's gonna get some form of dick tonight, that's for sure
2015-12-22T03:21:11 < jadew> probably 90% of the people on that team are going to get laid when they get home
2015-12-22T03:22:01 < Laurenceb_> jadew is clearly from 8chan
2015-12-22T03:22:11 < Laurenceb_> inb4 "normalfags"
2015-12-22T03:23:17 < Laurenceb_> elliot rogers commentry :P
2015-12-22T03:28:56 < dongs> startup: lunix booting
2015-12-22T03:29:23 < jadew> hdd hasn't been scanned in 30 days... scanning...
2015-12-22T03:29:28 < jadew> 0%
2015-12-22T03:35:47 < dongs> why are they not showing shit returning
2015-12-22T03:35:53 < dongs> that loop of dumb thing is dumb
2015-12-22T03:36:22 < dongs> just passed 420km, toking time
2015-12-22T03:36:51 < jadew> at what altitude are they going to launch the satelites?
2015-12-22T03:38:47 < dongs> why is that shit still speeding up
2015-12-22T03:39:39 < dongs> holy shit it actually landed
2015-12-22T03:39:44 < jadew> wow
2015-12-22T03:39:47 < jadew> I thought it blew up
2015-12-22T03:39:55 < jadew> that's amazing
2015-12-22T03:40:25 < dongs> question is where d id it land
2015-12-22T03:40:29 < dongs> they had an X in teh center
2015-12-22T03:40:34 < dongs> wonder how far off of it is it
2015-12-22T03:40:57 < jadew> this is probably going to make launches much cheaper, isn't it?
2015-12-22T03:44:45 < GargantuaSauce> that's the intent yes
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2015-12-22T03:56:02 < emeb> I wonder how much difference it'll make - they still have to requalify the 1st stage for additional flights and it's been heavily stressed in ways that a brand new one wouldn't be.
2015-12-22T03:56:37 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKX085NkZ0ZjQ4cTg/view?usp=sharing
2015-12-22T03:58:10 < Sync> they will find out emeb
2015-12-22T03:59:01 < jadew> the landing was super fast wasn't it?
2015-12-22T03:59:07 < upgrdman> kakimir, that's a weird looking butt plug
2015-12-22T03:59:16 < kakimir> I like it when hurts
2015-12-22T03:59:45 < GargantuaSauce> it's to train and develop a prehensile sphincter
2015-12-22T04:00:04 < upgrdman> lol
2015-12-22T04:01:34 < kakimir> gee..
2015-12-22T04:02:51 < dongs> who thought these gray fucking UI things were a good diea?
2015-12-22T04:02:56 < dongs> why hte fuck all teh newfag software is all gray?
2015-12-22T04:03:09 < GargantuaSauce> it's to look like autodesk shit
2015-12-22T04:03:21 < dongs> im talking in general
2015-12-22T04:03:24 < dongs> new adobe shit
2015-12-22T04:03:26 < dongs> new vstudio
2015-12-22T04:03:30 < dongs> all new shit is all fucking gray
2015-12-22T04:03:58 < kakimir> dongs: there is themes
2015-12-22T04:04:07 < kakimir> and totally customizeable
2015-12-22T04:04:20 < kakimir> and blender has always been anyways
2015-12-22T04:04:51 < dongs> ur a customizable blender
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2015-12-22T04:06:16 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/6sq0WMC
2015-12-22T04:06:37 < upgrdman> actually i kinda like the gray
2015-12-22T04:06:43 < upgrdman> its needed for modern monitors
2015-12-22T04:06:52 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__FbXCr8CoE
2015-12-22T04:07:03 < kakimir> it's needed at the night
2015-12-22T04:07:07 < upgrdman> modern displays have good contrast and brightness. so white can be painful to look at
2015-12-22T04:07:16 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: are those people for real?
2015-12-22T04:07:22 < upgrdman> it's not like the 80's where white was like medium gray
2015-12-22T04:07:30 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, fuck if i know
2015-12-22T04:07:46 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, it from this awesome subreddit   https://www.reddit.com/r/itsaunixsystem
2015-12-22T04:08:47 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/cG4sfcy.jpg
2015-12-22T04:09:25 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/cyingrB.png
2015-12-22T04:09:26 < upgrdman> etc
2015-12-22T04:10:00 < BrainDamage> ahahahaha
2015-12-22T04:10:44 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cyingrB.png < haha i saw this
2015-12-22T04:10:52 < dongs> it also makes your phone vibrate
2015-12-22T04:10:57 < dongs> its funny as shit
2015-12-22T04:10:59 < upgrdman> lol
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2015-12-22T04:31:43 < dongs> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6obTnNhsMxJQ3RpMWZwYzJxa1E/view?usp=sharing zano creditor meeting details
2015-12-22T04:31:52 < dongs> their office was valued at 2800gbp apparently
2015-12-22T04:31:55 < dongs> ivan must have stolen the good scope
2015-12-22T04:33:09 < kakimir> :D
2015-12-22T04:33:48 < dongs> and they made camtronics buy 400k gbp worth of assembly line equipment
2015-12-22T04:33:54 < dongs> to make zanooooooooooooooos
2015-12-22T04:34:31 < kakimir> what exactly?
2015-12-22T04:34:37 < dongs> probly more dicknplace i dunno
2015-12-22T04:34:43 < dongs> who cares
2015-12-22T04:35:37 < kakimir> well it's not turning into worthless
2015-12-22T04:35:51 < kakimir> but they have big --profit
2015-12-22T04:36:59 < dongs> maybe they got them to invest into some DIP soldering stuff
2015-12-22T04:37:04 < dongs> which WILL be worthless post-zano
2015-12-22T04:38:39 < kakimir> dip soldering?
2015-12-22T04:41:02 < dongs> yea
2015-12-22T04:41:07 < dongs> through-hole soldering?
2015-12-22T04:41:18 < dongs> there's selective solder stuff that can be done automatically
2015-12-22T04:41:44 < dongs> where they make jigs that fit the board to only open the through-hole areas
2015-12-22T04:43:29 < kakimir> did they use eagle cad?
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2015-12-22T04:48:36 < kakimir> installed alarm clock to computers
2015-12-22T04:48:47 < kakimir> my android alarm clock has given up on me
2015-12-22T04:49:14 < kakimir> I think it clearly passes some of dozen alarms I set
2015-12-22T04:49:24 < dongs> no, youre just too stoned to hear them
2015-12-22T04:49:49 < kakimir> well I don't hear heavy machines nether
2015-12-22T04:49:56 < kakimir> :/
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2015-12-22T04:52:42 < ds2> hmmmm
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2015-12-22T04:55:21 < kakimir> It's a sign of good sleepings
2015-12-22T05:10:36 < kakimir> gyus1!
2015-12-22T05:11:19 < kakimir> do you know anything of baluns?
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2015-12-22T05:14:16 < ds2> they go from balanced pair to unbalanced pairs.. what else is there to know? :D
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2015-12-22T05:16:42 < kakimir> so these smd baluns have range from 50mhz or so
2015-12-22T05:16:49 < kakimir> to 900 or so
2015-12-22T05:17:00 < kakimir> or 2.4ghz
2015-12-22T05:17:16 < kakimir> if I want something like 0.1mhz - 100mhz
2015-12-22T05:17:22 < kakimir> and small as possible
2015-12-22T05:17:53 < kakimir> it's still going to be big ferrite core coiled by hand?
2015-12-22T05:19:02 < ds2> I think they make them commercially
2015-12-22T05:19:18 < kakimir> I found one
2015-12-22T05:19:29 < kakimir> 77eur piece
2015-12-22T05:19:31 < ds2> a transformer should do it
2015-12-22T05:19:57 < kakimir> i think what they sold was well characterised transformer
2015-12-22T05:20:06 < ds2> *nod*
2015-12-22T05:20:22 < bloated> 0.1MHz to 100MHz is not possible.
2015-12-22T05:20:43 < bloated> 1kHz will be an iron core. Ferrite would be too big.
2015-12-22T05:20:52 < bloated> 100MHz is a ferrite core, Iron wont work.
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2015-12-22T05:21:37 < kakimir> okay
2015-12-22T05:21:46 < bloated> what did you find ? got a link ?
2015-12-22T05:21:46 < kakimir> how about 10mhz?
2015-12-22T05:22:13 < bloated> 10-100 MHz should be easy with common ferrites.
2015-12-22T05:22:13 < kakimir> bloated: sure thing http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/MACOM/TP-103-PIN/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtMMXztyU6kdEYyNbfR1HXG9e1f5jrjd48%3d
2015-12-22T05:22:36 < ds2> what are you doing?
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2015-12-22T05:22:46 < ds2> and does it need to be flat from 100KHz - 100MHz
2015-12-22T05:23:23 < dongs> god damn
2015-12-22T05:23:25 < dongs> FUCK YOU
2015-12-22T05:23:30 < dongs> i clicked that mouser link
2015-12-22T05:23:32 < dongs> without thinking
2015-12-22T05:23:47 < kakimir> what is wrong dong?
2015-12-22T05:23:56 < kakimir> ds2: no
2015-12-22T05:24:00 < dongs> kakimir: now all my fucking mouser searches will be in finnish and bullshit currenccy
2015-12-22T05:24:05 < kakimir> :D
2015-12-22T05:24:12 < kakimir> enjou!
2015-12-22T05:24:16 < ds2> karimir: what is your application?
2015-12-22T05:24:31 < ds2> you might be able to get away with a ethernet transformer
2015-12-22T05:24:33 < kakimir> emi measurement
2015-12-22T05:24:43 < ds2> just not sure how well it it behave down in the 100KHz range
2015-12-22T05:25:15 < kakimir> maybe I just use splited shield in the magnetic loop
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2015-12-22T05:27:44 < kakimir> dongs: can you undo it by clicking korean links?
2015-12-22T05:27:56 < dongs> i have to change shit in top right
2015-12-22T05:28:01 < dongs> but it usually doesnt work
2015-12-22T05:28:03 < dongs> i duno
2015-12-22T05:28:04 < dongs> whatver
2015-12-22T05:28:05 < dongs> fuck mouser
2015-12-22T05:28:14 < dongs> i avoid them, their search sucks, their stock sucks etc
2015-12-22T05:28:47 < kakimir> it's usually the most inexpensives and free shippin and no bullshit
2015-12-22T05:28:54 < dongs> so is digikey
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2015-12-22T05:34:10 < kakimir> what I have learned of digikey you need to fill some bullshit forms to explain use and final product destionation of parts and list of names and of course not to check boxes that say product to be exported to north korea or iran
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2015-12-22T05:34:27 < dongs> shrug
2015-12-22T05:34:30 < dongs> never had any problems
2015-12-22T05:34:38 < dongs> you check R&D, pick a generic use case
2015-12-22T05:34:43 < dongs> separate your order by customer reference
2015-12-22T05:34:46 < dongs> then write all in caps
2015-12-22T05:35:06 < dongs> CUST REF XXX: DONGLE SAMPLE ASSEMBLY CUST REF YYY: SPINNING WIDGET PROTOTYPE
2015-12-22T05:35:07 < dongs> etc
2015-12-22T05:35:07 < dongs> and done
2015-12-22T05:35:14 < dongs> *never* asked me any questions.
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2015-12-22T05:37:10 < kakimir> never ordered myself
2015-12-22T05:37:30 < kakimir> also they need.. company name?
2015-12-22T05:37:38 < kakimir> or was it farnell
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2015-12-22T05:49:08 < kakimir> sleep>
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2015-12-22T06:15:24 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/JFIv8qK.gifv
2015-12-22T06:15:47 < dongs> occulus dick'd
2015-12-22T06:18:36 < upgrdman> much impress  http://www.gfycat.com/EducatedBiodegradableGentoopenguin
2015-12-22T06:18:45 < dongs> old as shit
2015-12-22T06:20:54 < upgrdman> found a home video of young dongs  http://i.imgur.com/NEidYmP.gifv
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2015-12-22T06:24:49 < dongs> k time to dicknplace
2015-12-22T06:27:27 < upgrdman> lolol  http://imgur.com/HQeEM30
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2015-12-22T06:56:54 < upgrdman> :) @ what?
2015-12-22T06:57:10 < upgrdman> :)
2015-12-22T06:57:54 < ds2> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee preschool level SDR working
2015-12-22T06:58:23 < upgrdman> pix?
2015-12-22T06:58:27 < GargantuaSauce> the human powered quad is funny because it doesn't have a continuous belt
2015-12-22T06:58:31 < ds2> pix?????
2015-12-22T06:58:36 < ds2> this is SW
2015-12-22T06:59:00 < GargantuaSauce> power is transmitted by a finite line, unwinds in a short flight
2015-12-22T06:59:09 < upgrdman> oh, thought you made an sdr. sdr needs hardware to work :)
2015-12-22T06:59:21 < ds2> no, this is PRESCHOOL level
2015-12-22T06:59:24 < ds2> understanding the algs
2015-12-22T06:59:29 < ds2> hw is just a fast ADC
2015-12-22T06:59:48 < upgrdman> no mixers? ok
2015-12-22T07:00:26 < ds2> nope
2015-12-22T07:00:47 < ds2> no matlab, no libraries, no gnuradio. just pure C to break things down to the bare bits
2015-12-22T07:01:09 < upgrdman> good boy
2015-12-22T07:01:58 < emeb_mac> big fun
2015-12-22T07:02:07 < emeb_mac> what's the sample rate
2015-12-22T07:02:31 < ds2> I am generating data as if it was sampling at 8192000Hz
2015-12-22T07:02:47 < ds2> adding an AM signal (1KHz modulated) @ 100KHz
2015-12-22T07:02:57 < ds2> was able to run it through and have aplay generate a 1KHz tone
2015-12-22T07:03:20 < emeb_mac> pretty fast rate. what processor you running this on?
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2015-12-22T07:03:45 < ds2> right now, it is all soft simulation; eventually it'll be a BeagleBone
2015-12-22T07:03:55 < ds2> I can easily sample at about 25-30MHz on the Bone
2015-12-22T07:04:06 < ds2> 8192000 is just a nice simple value
2015-12-22T07:04:06 < emeb_mac> ya
2015-12-22T07:04:24 < emeb_mac> but how much processing can the BBB handle at those rates?
2015-12-22T07:04:47 < ds2> what do you mean?
2015-12-22T07:05:02 < ds2> I can capture a video stream that is the equiv of 27MHz sampling
2015-12-22T07:05:11 < upgrdman_> bbb has adc?
2015-12-22T07:05:25 < ds2> figure if I slow it down by 4-5x I should have some room
2015-12-22T07:05:37 < emeb_mac> Assuming you're pumping 20-30MSPS thru the processor, how complex of an algorithm can you run on that data as it goes by?
2015-12-22T07:05:42 < ds2> also got the OpenGLES stuff working to process data so that's an alternative processing
2015-12-22T07:06:04 < ds2> I donno off hand as I donno how complex this will turn out
2015-12-22T07:06:22 < ds2> upgrdman_: no, I will be adding one.
2015-12-22T07:06:46 < upgrdman_> "can easily sample at..." how? spi to bbb?
2015-12-22T07:06:58 < ds2> upgrdman_: the PRUs of course
2015-12-22T07:07:09 < upgrdman_> i've never poked a bbb
2015-12-22T07:07:13 < emeb_mac> rtl-sdr thru dump1090 works on BBB. That samples @ 2MSPS
2015-12-22T07:07:14 < ds2> spi would mean a bus at almost 160MHz
2015-12-22T07:07:22 < emeb_mac> but the demod is pretty simple.
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2015-12-22T07:07:31 < ds2> the 2Mbps is a limitation of the chip
2015-12-22T07:07:34 < upgrdman_> ds2, what protocol to use with prus?
2015-12-22T07:07:40 < upgrdman_> parallel?
2015-12-22T07:07:42 < ds2> upgradman_: simple parallel bus
2015-12-22T07:07:45 < upgrdman_> k
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2015-12-22T07:08:22 < ds2> wow no aliasing
2015-12-22T07:08:26 < emeb_mac> ds2: yes - rtl-sdr can't go much faster than 2MSPS
2015-12-22T07:08:47 < ds2> emeb_mac: maybe it was USB... one of htem was the limit
2015-12-22T07:08:49 < emeb_mac> plus, the USB interface isn't much faster than that
2015-12-22T07:09:03 < ds2> the 8MHz sampling was so I can experiment with software tuning
2015-12-22T07:09:08 < emeb_mac> It is 8-bit I & Q IIRC
2015-12-22T07:09:14 < ds2> and undersampling
2015-12-22T07:10:21 < ds2> just to avoid confusion I am simulating a non IQ sampler
2015-12-22T07:10:22 < emeb_mac> ds2: so RF -> fast ADC -> PRU -> buffer -> SDR algo?
2015-12-22T07:10:37 < ds2> emeb_mac: yes, that is the route I am playing with
2015-12-22T07:10:48 < emeb_mac> ds2: should be interesting.
2015-12-22T07:11:00 < ds2> 8MHz non IQ; multiple by cos to give me I, and sin to give me Q (or should I do the reverse?)
2015-12-22T07:11:39 < emeb_mac> My SDR did RF-> fast ADC -> FPGA (tuner / decimator / filter) -> I2S -> MCU -> I2S -> audio DAC
2015-12-22T07:11:56 < emeb_mac> and in the MCU I did the AM / SSB demods in software
2015-12-22T07:12:04 < ds2> problem is I2S is serial; and you ahve to run it insanely fast
2015-12-22T07:12:06 < emeb_mac> but all the high rate stuff was done in FPGA
2015-12-22T07:12:22 < emeb_mac> and the I2S was just running @ 48kSPS
2015-12-22T07:12:27 < ds2> FPGAs have there place but that is too many things to swallow at once to learn with
2015-12-22T07:12:35 < emeb_mac> heh
2015-12-22T07:12:46 < emeb_mac> I don't have a problem with FPGA coding
2015-12-22T07:12:54 < emeb_mac> I do have a problem with kernel drivers
2015-12-22T07:13:07 < ds2> conceptually FPGA is easy
2015-12-22T07:13:15 < emeb_mac> so that's where our respective skill sets differ
2015-12-22T07:13:20 < ds2> inpractice, there is all sorts of tricks one need to understand
2015-12-22T07:13:27 < ds2> indeed
2015-12-22T07:13:39 < ds2> but the kernel driver in this case is a degenerate one
2015-12-22T07:13:47 < ds2> the PRU is programmed just like the STM32
2015-12-22T07:14:19 < ds2> wow, this is amazing... simple averaging decimator has surprisingly few aliases
2015-12-22T07:14:47 < emeb_mac> well, the transition bands suck
2015-12-22T07:15:02 < emeb_mac> it's just a sinc rolloff, so not very selective
2015-12-22T07:15:09 < ds2> that's why I am experimenting with AM signals
2015-12-22T07:15:19 < ds2> i can afford to play away 10-20dB :D
2015-12-22T07:15:39 < emeb_mac> my decimator uses a CIC to do the major decimation, followed by a kick-ass FIR
2015-12-22T07:15:58 < emeb_mac> so I get > 80dB OOB rejection with transition bands that are a few kHz wide.
2015-12-22T07:16:03 < ds2> I am trying to find out how close of a signal can I get before I see aliases in the output
2015-12-22T07:16:19 < ds2> once I get a handle on that, then I can throw in FIRs
2015-12-22T07:16:46 < emeb_mac> IIRC the SDR# code uses CIC in software. worth looking at
2015-12-22T07:16:57 < emeb_mac> it's not much more complex than simple averaging.
2015-12-22T07:18:33 < ds2> thought CIC is pretty much averaging?
2015-12-22T07:18:57 < emeb_mac> integrator, decimation, then comb filter
2015-12-22T07:19:12 < emeb_mac> it's like a boxcar filter
2015-12-22T07:19:56 < emeb_mac> but higher orders - I use a 4th-order, so it's like a cascade of 4 boxcars
2015-12-22T07:20:27 < upgrdman> boxcar == rect window?
2015-12-22T07:20:31 < emeb_mac> yes
2015-12-22T07:20:48 < ds2> that's all nice for discussing. what exactly does that mean?
2015-12-22T07:21:36 < emeb_mac> boxcar / rect window gives you a sinc frequency response - lots of sidelobes
2015-12-22T07:21:40 < ds2> out[n] = in[n] + in [n-1] ... in[n-factor-1] <- that seems to be one description of a CIC
2015-12-22T07:21:56 < emeb_mac> yes
2015-12-22T07:22:02 < emeb_mac> that's a rect window FIR
2015-12-22T07:22:37 < emeb_mac> CIC gives that response w/o the complexity
2015-12-22T07:22:42 < emeb_mac> of lots of adds
2015-12-22T07:23:22 < ds2> if it is what I think, it would depend on the previous output, right?
2015-12-22T07:23:51 < emeb_mac> Well, it's not really an IIR
2015-12-22T07:24:08 < emeb_mac> rect window FIR is the best model
2015-12-22T07:25:13 < ds2> not in the IIR sense but it uses the previous output to optimize it; essentially it subtracts out the oldest sample and adds the newest
2015-12-22T07:25:29 < ds2> that's what I saw but that would not work well if I had toss it into OpenGLES
2015-12-22T07:26:37 < emeb_mac> Well, that's an implementation detail. :)
2015-12-22T07:26:51 < ds2> *nod*
2015-12-22T07:27:42 < emeb_mac> in its simplest form, you just run an accumulator on the input data, grab the accumulator value every N samples and run that through a differencer.
2015-12-22T07:28:16 < ds2> what is a differencer?
2015-12-22T07:28:42 < emeb_mac> difference of current input sample vs previous input sample.
2015-12-22T07:28:50 < emeb_mac> that's the comb part
2015-12-22T07:29:03 < ds2> Ohhhhhhh
2015-12-22T07:29:33 < ds2> so it is basically one that gives me the delta between my accumulator grabs?
2015-12-22T07:29:41 < emeb_mac> yes, exactly
2015-12-22T07:30:06 < ds2> this makes more sense for implementation then the equation I saw
2015-12-22T07:30:13 < ds2> how is roll over addressed?
2015-12-22T07:30:20 < emeb_mac> that's the amazing part!
2015-12-22T07:31:11 < emeb_mac> you just make sure the accumulator is sized big enough so that it doesn't roll over in the N inputs between samples
2015-12-22T07:31:18 < ds2> is the datatypes signed or unsigned?
2015-12-22T07:31:26 < emeb_mac> but it can roll over
2015-12-22T07:31:49 < emeb_mac> and if it does then that makes no difference
2015-12-22T07:31:55 < emeb_mac> use signed
2015-12-22T07:32:33 < emeb_mac> so if N  = 32, make sure the accum is 5 bits bigger.
2015-12-22T07:32:52 < emeb_mac> but if N < 32 and you provide 5 bits then that's still fine.
2015-12-22T07:32:53 < ds2> let me break out a scratch pad
2015-12-22T07:33:40 < ds2> that doesn't make sense to me... is N the decimation factor?
2015-12-22T07:33:47 < emeb_mac> yes
2015-12-22T07:34:11 < ds2> okay, let's take the degenerate case: N = 1 (i.e. no decimation)
2015-12-22T07:34:31 < ds2> you are saying, I don't lose info if I truncate to 5 bit of data?
2015-12-22T07:34:41 < emeb_mac> input + 5
2015-12-22T07:34:53 < ds2> oh bigger
2015-12-22T07:34:59 < emeb_mac> so if you have 8-bit adc you'll want 13 bit accum
2015-12-22T07:36:55 < emeb_mac> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascaded_integrator%E2%80%93comb_filter
2015-12-22T07:37:19 < emeb_mac> key concept: "While the reasons are less than intuitive, an inherent characteristic of the CIC architecture is that if fixed bit length overflows occur in the integrators, they are corrected in the comb sections."
2015-12-22T07:37:57 < ds2> okay, let see if we can work it out here for all to see
2015-12-22T07:38:37 < ds2> let N = 32 so we have a 13 bit accumator. furthermore, let's say we do bad things and saturate the ADC so all we read is 255
2015-12-22T07:39:00 < ds2> first time through, 32*255 = 8160
2015-12-22T07:39:01 < emeb_mac> don't know if that's valid - you're going nonlinear then
2015-12-22T07:39:21 < ds2> second time through (8160*2)%8192 = 8128
2015-12-22T07:39:35 < ds2> 8128 - 8415 = -287
2015-12-22T07:39:50 < ds2> why is that necessarily nonlinear?
2015-12-22T07:40:01 < ds2> isn't that a valid f=0Hz signal?
2015-12-22T07:41:58 < emeb_mac> might as well assume a DC input then
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2015-12-22T07:45:00 < ds2> is DC not valid?
2015-12-22T07:45:13 < ds2> I suppose the output is DC shifted
2015-12-22T07:46:44 < emeb_mac> DC is valid
2015-12-22T07:46:53 < emeb_mac> CIC is a lowpass filter
2015-12-22T07:47:16 < ds2> DC can be problematic for integration
2015-12-22T07:47:18 < ds2> had ot ask
2015-12-22T07:47:21 < emeb_mac> worth bearing in mind though that the gain of a CIC depends on the decimation rate.
2015-12-22T07:48:01 < emeb_mac> DC is not a problem for CIC because the overflows of the integrators are corrected by the combs
2015-12-22T07:48:30 < ds2> there is amplitude increases too?
2015-12-22T07:48:34 < emeb_mac> yes
2015-12-22T07:48:50 < emeb_mac> more decimation -> more gain
2015-12-22T07:49:05 < emeb_mac> if the decimation is a power of 2 then you can correct with simple shifts
2015-12-22T07:49:17 < emeb_mac> otherwise you need fine-grained scaling.
2015-12-22T07:49:37 < emeb_mac> (true multiply)
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2015-12-22T07:50:21 < ds2> think this only works well in gp processors and fpgas
2015-12-22T07:50:47 < ds2> parallel algs won't like this dependency
2015-12-22T07:51:33 < emeb_mac> you can correct the gain at the low rate - on the output
2015-12-22T07:52:01 < emeb_mac> but yeah - converting this to SIMD could be a challenge
2015-12-22T07:52:22 < emeb_mac> OTOH - SIMD would be great for higher order CIC
2015-12-22T07:52:36 < ds2> *nod*
2015-12-22T07:52:41 < emeb_mac> cascaded integrators & combs would kind of fall right out of that.
2015-12-22T07:53:21 < ds2> in general, I don't see any advantages to this over simple box car if data dependency is not allowed
2015-12-22T07:54:07 < emeb_mac> Will be interesting to see how your system comes together
2015-12-22T07:54:14 < emeb_mac> got an ADC picked out yet?
2015-12-22T07:54:45 < ds2> maybe - an ADI part looks interesting
2015-12-22T07:55:26 < ds2> AD9203
2015-12-22T07:55:51 < ds2> was thinking of that + PRU and hang a long wire in the input and hope for best
2015-12-22T07:56:06 < emeb_mac> that's what I used
2015-12-22T07:56:07 < emeb_mac> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/rxadc/index.html
2015-12-22T07:57:32 < ds2> is that a well behaved part?
2015-12-22T07:57:51 < emeb_mac> worked well for me.
2015-12-22T07:58:22 < ds2> is the driver needed?
2015-12-22T07:58:28 < ds2> the ad8138
2015-12-22T07:58:44 < emeb_mac> I set up the input amp for a gain of 10 so that 0dBfs was at about -10dBm
2015-12-22T07:59:30 < ds2> so that is not to keep the ad9203 in check?
2015-12-22T07:59:33 < emeb_mac> without that driver you'll need a stronger signal to fill the 10-bit range
2015-12-22T07:59:50 < ds2> well, I am trying to shoot for a nice strong AM broadcast signal
2015-12-22T08:00:00 < emeb_mac> Shouldn't be a problem then
2015-12-22T08:00:02 < ds2> hoping a long wire + that will get me over the hurdle
2015-12-22T08:00:21 < bloated> why the choice of using a differential adc ?
2015-12-22T08:00:33 < emeb_mac> I needed about 20-30dB of attenuation to knock down some of the local AM stations.
2015-12-22T08:00:33 < ds2> they don't make them any other way :(
2015-12-22T08:00:48 < emeb_mac> that ADC can run single-ended.
2015-12-22T08:01:04 < ds2> emeb_mac: does that ADC tolerate 20-30dB over on the input?
2015-12-22T08:01:05 < emeb_mac> I chose differential because it's more immune to on-board digital noise.
2015-12-22T08:01:20 < ds2> or should I slap a pair of blue LEDs on the front end to clip things a bit
2015-12-22T08:01:49 < emeb_mac> if you're driving it directly from an antenna I'd put some sort of clipping on it
2015-12-22T08:02:06 < emeb_mac> shottky diodes to the VDD/GND at the least.
2015-12-22T08:02:27 < emeb_mac> who knows what kind of ESD could build up on a longwire
2015-12-22T08:02:38 < emeb_mac> and you'll want some sort of LPF too
2015-12-22T08:02:44 < emeb_mac> anti-aliasing.
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2015-12-22T08:02:58 < ds2> can't I count on the strong signals to ride over the aliasing?
2015-12-22T08:04:12 < emeb_mac> but there are other strong signals at much higher frequencies
2015-12-22T08:04:18 < emeb_mac> FM band for example
2015-12-22T08:04:51 < ds2> I am hoping sloppy layout and overall poor technique will be an implied LP to get rid of things that far out (at least initially)
2015-12-22T08:04:58 < emeb_mac> without the anti-alias filter those local FM stations will show up all over your AM signals.
2015-12-22T08:05:29 < emeb_mac> ds2: sloppy layout and poor technique hardly ever works in your favor. :)
2015-12-22T08:05:51 < ds2> the problem that I am trying to avoid is calculating a LPF for the not well defined input impedence on the ADC
2015-12-22T08:05:51 < emeb_mac> (experience talking)
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2015-12-22T08:06:12 < emeb_mac> that's another advantage of using that driver amp.
2015-12-22T08:06:27 < emeb_mac> you know it's 50 ohms...
2015-12-22T08:07:22 < ds2> think an emitter follower with a 50ohm resistor to ground on the base is sufficient to give me a 50ohm input impedence?
2015-12-22T08:07:30 < ds2> <-- thinking quick and dirty
2015-12-22T08:07:41 < emeb_mac> Might work. I've tried that in the past
2015-12-22T08:08:08 < ds2> I really don't want to order PCBs and such for this
2015-12-22T08:08:36 < ds2> 2 TSSOPs dead bug is more then what I would like to deal with
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2015-12-22T08:08:50 < emeb_mac> sounds... exciting
2015-12-22T08:09:10  * emeb_mac is not a fan of the dead-bug technique
2015-12-22T08:09:25 < ds2> not many options w/o a PCB
2015-12-22T08:13:00 < emeb_mac> for strong local AM you should be fine even with a crappy LPF. figure about 200 ohms impedance, not too far off what a long wire would be anyway.
2015-12-22T08:13:24 < emeb_mac> just design a dirty LC LPF for that and you will probably be pretty close.
2015-12-22T08:14:03 < emeb_mac> The main problem I had was when I was trying to pick up weak ham-band SSB stuff.
2015-12-22T08:14:39 < emeb_mac> then the 10-bit resolution of the ADC, combined with the -10dB 0dBfs point kind of got in the way.
2015-12-22T08:14:42 < ds2> I see that being a problem
2015-12-22T08:16:00 < emeb_mac> I could get stuff down to about -100dBm but it got really noisy below there
2015-12-22T08:16:17 < ds2> actually, I wonder if I can just use a 100pF cap across the input
2015-12-22T08:16:32 < ds2> 100pF @ 100MHz is about 16ohm
2015-12-22T08:16:56 < ds2> wow, -100dBm is in the ball park of spec an specs
2015-12-22T08:17:30 < emeb_mac> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/hfsdr_proto/index.html
2015-12-22T08:17:38 < emeb_mac> got some graphs there
2015-12-22T08:17:57 < emeb_mac> raw ADC input noise floor was about -70dBm
2015-12-22T08:18:10 < emeb_mac> then the decimation picks up another 30dB or so
2015-12-22T08:18:42 < ds2> ah joys of processing gain
2015-12-22T08:18:59 < emeb_mac> yup
2015-12-22T08:19:36 < emeb_mac> 6dB for every factor of 4 - I was decimating by 1024, so it was getting 5 bits - 30dB
2015-12-22T08:20:07 < ds2> (notes for anyone reading along - having the code generate a FT output is very informative)
2015-12-22T08:20:08 < emeb_mac> but a better ADC would have helped.
2015-12-22T08:20:40 < ds2> better ADCs start wanting all sorts of things like multiple power buses
2015-12-22T08:20:53 < emeb_mac> yeah - gets ugly fast
2015-12-22T08:21:42 < ds2> just got to the point where a FIR filter is needed (just made the simulated data more accurate)
2015-12-22T08:30:43 < emeb_mac> gn
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2015-12-22T10:39:44 < Fleck> hmm, can you print a memory region in gdb? for example, I would like to print FSMC registers...
2015-12-22T10:42:05 < Fleck> all at once I mean - I know we can print mem content :D
2015-12-22T10:42:48 < rewolff> I always write a "hexdump" thingy in my code and an USB commandline where I can trigger that.
2015-12-22T10:42:58 < rewolff> But it can be done in a GDB macro as well.
2015-12-22T10:43:48 < rewolff> http://prive.bitwizard.nl/mod
2015-12-22T10:44:40 < Fleck> URL for me rewolff?
2015-12-22T10:44:49 < rewolff> when I wrote that I  thought 0x30 worth of registers would be enough. But an advanced timer goes above that, as probably does the FSMC.
2015-12-22T10:44:58 < Fleck> The requested URL /mod was not found on this server.
2015-12-22T10:45:29 < rewolff> funny. Always worked before. Let met check.
2015-12-22T10:45:54 < rewolff> Ah. gave the wrong filename. Makes sense. :-)
2015-12-22T10:46:20 < rewolff> renamed, now with a better filename. http://prive.bitwizard.nl/mod.gdb
2015-12-22T10:49:15 < Fleck> thanks will try that!
2015-12-22T10:49:54 < rewolff> Might not be the best code around: it was "my first gdb macro". :-)
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2015-12-22T11:11:12 < dongs> TIL japs made a clone of starwars in 1997
2015-12-22T11:11:13 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK_ZiX69yVU
2015-12-22T11:13:09 < dongs> err 1977
2015-12-22T11:14:57 < rewolff> I get: "this video is not available :-/ "
2015-12-22T11:15:01 < dongs> aww.
2015-12-22T11:15:02 < dongs> fucking japs
2015-12-22T11:15:31 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O7mOl5KkEw
2015-12-22T11:15:33 < dongs> this might work
2015-12-22T11:15:38 < dongs> not official uploader
2015-12-22T11:15:58 < rewolff> better.
2015-12-22T11:16:31 < dongs> theres a shitty r2d2/leia/wookie/etc
2015-12-22T11:16:50 < dongs> http://buzz-plus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/ucyu3.jpg
2015-12-22T11:18:51 < dongs> lastlog png
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2015-12-22T11:38:40 < trepidacious> That film actually looks kind of awesome
2015-12-22T11:40:54 < dongs> yea its probly one of those 'so bad, its good' things
2015-12-22T11:41:44 < ReadError> gdamn dongs, where on the spectrum is oh6
2015-12-22T11:43:24 < dongs> a what
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2015-12-22T11:45:14 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/q0iZgc2.jpg
2015-12-22T11:45:26 < dongs> oh
2015-12-22T11:45:38 < dongs> 110% assburgers
2015-12-22T11:48:02 < ReadError> i just see like 40 line long of blogs talking to himself about 5 different things
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2015-12-22T13:12:53 < kakimir> fukken "hot alarm clock" has done nothings
2015-12-22T13:13:09 < dongs> lmao
2015-12-22T13:13:12 < dongs> youre just too stoned admit it
2015-12-22T13:13:23 < kakimir> no
2015-12-22T13:13:34 < kakimir> I left my laptop under my bead
2015-12-22T13:13:37 < kakimir> bed
2015-12-22T13:13:47 < kakimir> running of course
2015-12-22T13:14:02 < kakimir> there it was like I left it
2015-12-22T13:14:17 < kakimir> alarm mode was se to infinite alarm
2015-12-22T13:16:04 < kakimir> maybe alarm has some limit to it
2015-12-22T13:17:50 < kakimir> but it was fuken hour ago
2015-12-22T13:18:22 < kakimir> and there is ecen time setting alarm for one hour
2015-12-22T13:19:31 < kakimir> so maybe "alarm until message is closed" means "do not wake me at all"
2015-12-22T13:20:15 < kakimir> maybe this windows has some funk to it scheduling
2015-12-22T13:23:11 < BrainDamage> kakimir: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXLzfAHl4-k&t=3m20s
2015-12-22T13:23:26 < BrainDamage> it uses arduino too, so you can blog about it
2015-12-22T13:24:03 < kakimir> craxy swedish invetor girl
2015-12-22T13:24:18 < kakimir> remember it's arduino pass thru
2015-12-22T13:24:48 < kakimir> new kind of operating mode
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2015-12-22T13:25:21 < BrainDamage> well, without arduino you cannot blog about it
2015-12-22T13:25:38 < kakimir> oooh
2015-12-22T13:25:55 < kakimir> that enlightenment I just had
2015-12-22T13:26:27 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQLFesz9O1g this is cure
2015-12-22T13:26:31 < kakimir> *cute
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2015-12-22T17:29:44 < Laurenceb_> hipsters get in on everything
2015-12-22T17:29:45 < Laurenceb_> http://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/679145419507548161/pu/img/6DQ1zHR6pVDCJdeV.jpg
2015-12-22T17:33:16 < Steffanx> You were on tv last night laurenceb_
2015-12-22T17:33:32 < Laurenceb_> oh
2015-12-22T17:33:57 < Laurenceb_> screenshot?
2015-12-22T17:35:36 < Steffanx> https://pic.yify-torrent.org/2005/28901/cd94802bc9f64488a6ad346bf159ccc4.png
2015-12-22T17:36:26 < englishman> teehee
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2015-12-22T17:53:29 < englishman> Stm32 content http://analogictips.com/tear-down-inside-the-bb-8-toy/
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2015-12-22T17:56:35 < jpa-> i wonder why so huge crystals
2015-12-22T18:02:14 < circuit> because cost?
2015-12-22T18:03:59 < Laurenceb_> impressive
2015-12-22T18:04:05 < Laurenceb_> even wireless charging
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2015-12-22T18:05:55 < Laurenceb_> lol the crystals
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2015-12-22T18:34:28 < upgrdman> no chatz :(
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2015-12-22T18:35:05 < rewolff> Question... Does anybody know if it is correct that STM32F303 cannot do 72Mhz from internal HSI ?
2015-12-22T18:35:52 < rewolff> I'm trying to use "cube" shit and I can't get it up to 72MHz. Is that my fault with cube, or is it a restriction of the CPU?
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2015-12-22T18:38:28 < fenugrec> rewolff what does the datasheet say ?
2015-12-22T18:38:43 < rewolff> that it can run at 72MHz.
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2015-12-22T18:39:52 < fenugrec> heh
2015-12-22T18:39:56 < rewolff> Hmmm. ok.
2015-12-22T18:40:00 < rewolff> Your right.
2015-12-22T18:40:12 < rewolff> page one of datasheet says up to 64 from HSI.
2015-12-22T18:40:52 < Teeed> yes
2015-12-22T18:40:53 < fenugrec> I'm not ready to eliminate the possibility of cube being shit, though
2015-12-22T18:41:13 < rewolff> I've never seen that "restriction" before on STM chips that they cannot run at max rated speed from HSI. (atmel runs 20MHz parts at 8MHz from internal RC).
2015-12-22T18:41:16 < Teeed> it is shit
2015-12-22T18:41:16 < Teeed> :D
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2015-12-22T18:55:00 < upgrdman> i can even overclock my chips from the HSI :) f0 thought. rated 48MHz, can PLL HSI up to 64MHz and it runs with no problems.
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2015-12-22T19:03:50 < rewolff> Yeah. I've been wondering....
2015-12-22T19:04:10 < rewolff> The STM32L4xx series are low power versions of the STM32F4xx chips.
2015-12-22T19:05:16 < celeron55> upgrdman: i guess often the core can run fine but some peripherals will fail to work
2015-12-22T19:05:22 < rewolff> Obivously the L4 uses less power than the F4, but they also run slower. How would an L4 at 80MHz compare to an F4 at 80MHz?
2015-12-22T19:05:51 < celeron55> altough... as long as they are clocked separately, it may not be a problem at all
2015-12-22T19:06:12 < upgrdman> celeron55, ya. i've been lucky. no problems with spi, i2c, flash, uart, adc.
2015-12-22T19:06:36 < upgrdman> and i did not change their specific clocks
2015-12-22T19:06:49 < rewolff> celeron55, upgrdman: peripherals, which might be clocked slower anyway depending on the clock structure, but worse: Some instructions might fail... occasionally.... Or "only when it gets hotter than 28 degrees outside"....
2015-12-22T19:07:02 < upgrdman> ya i know
2015-12-22T19:07:28 < upgrdman> fwiw, one of my overclocked things has seen daily use for almost two years. but indoor only.
2015-12-22T19:07:42 < celeron55> the reason why the chips work to begin with is that they have some margins and obviously the margins get worse when overclocked
2015-12-22T19:07:51 < upgrdman> yes
2015-12-22T19:09:51 < zyp> rewolff, the M4 cpu core would be the same in either case, so it should have the same instruction timing
2015-12-22T19:10:01 < zyp> but I'm not sure if there's differences in the memory system
2015-12-22T19:10:20 < zyp> L4 might have a different memory system that might be slower, i.e. more wait states on flash access
2015-12-22T19:10:21 < rewolff> zyp: I meant performance as to power consumption. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
2015-12-22T19:10:39 < zyp> then say efficiency :)
2015-12-22T19:11:09 < zyp> L4 should have better efficiency than F4 at the same speed
2015-12-22T19:11:29 < upgrdman> what are the drawbacks for l4 compared to f4?
2015-12-22T19:11:41 < zyp> I'm not familiar with L4, but L1 is using a different flash from F1 that's using less power
2015-12-22T19:11:44 < rewolff> You mean iDrhyston mips per clock? :-)
2015-12-22T19:11:46 < zyp> so I would assume it's similar
2015-12-22T19:11:57 < zyp> upgrdman, lower max speed, it sounds like
2015-12-22T19:12:18 < upgrdman> periph reg's are ~all the same?
2015-12-22T19:12:25 < upgrdman> so like drop-in replacement?
2015-12-22T19:12:27 < zyp> I wouldn't assume so
2015-12-22T19:12:33 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-22T19:12:33 < rewolff> Flash on F4 runs at 40 MHz or something like that, right?
2015-12-22T19:12:45 < zyp> F1 and L1 have a bunch of differences
2015-12-22T19:12:49 < zyp> rewolff, 24 IIRC
2015-12-22T19:12:53 < rewolff> (25nS access time, so 0 waitstate at < 40MHz, 1 wait at < 80MHz etc. )
2015-12-22T19:12:57 < zyp> but it's 128b wide
2015-12-22T19:13:23 < zyp> so with the ART, you get close to no speed penalty when it predicts right
2015-12-22T19:13:30 < emeb> looks like some versions of F303 must divide HSI by 2, others give option of /1 or /2
2015-12-22T19:14:36 < emeb> so with /2 and PLL the max clock is 64MHz.
2015-12-22T19:15:37 < rewolff> Ah. OK. I'm testing on F3discovery right now. And I think I told cube that I have the exact processor there....
2015-12-22T19:16:10 < rewolff> So apparently that's one of those that only do /2, that's the way it is drawn in the "select your clock" screen.
2015-12-22T19:16:47 < rewolff> For being "easy" the software is "bad".
2015-12-22T19:17:08 < rewolff> I'd want a "how about this" suggestion that wasn't 8MHz, but something faster.
2015-12-22T19:17:38 < rewolff> And a "quick" option that allows me to select a clock speed and it figures out the rest of the clock tree.
2015-12-22T19:17:49 < emeb> F303xD/E provide /1 option. F303x6/8/B/C only provide /2
2015-12-22T19:18:01 < rewolff> So I tell it: 72MHz, then it should say: not possible with HSI, lower to 64 or use HSE.
2015-12-22T19:18:17 < emeb> that would be ideal. things are rarely ideal. :(
2015-12-22T19:18:47 < rewolff> Ah. and the F3 discovery was one of the first, and had a "small" chip, whereas the more recent development boards usually get one of the bigger chips from the family.
2015-12-22T19:18:53 < emeb> actually, ideal would be to have the /1 option on all F303.
2015-12-22T19:19:01 < rewolff> :-)
2015-12-22T19:19:45 < emeb> looks like the bit to control the /1 mode is present in the parts that can't do it. perhaps a silicon bug that they decided not to fix.
2015-12-22T19:20:30 < rewolff> In my experience bits that are documented as "does not exist in this version" actually do not exist.
2015-12-22T19:20:47 < rewolff> even if you'd expect it to be there anyway.
2015-12-22T19:20:54 < emeb> then you don't have much experience with STM32. :)
2015-12-22T19:21:28 < emeb> There are lots of things that aren't supposed to be there that actually are - ethernet macs, memory banks, etc.
2015-12-22T19:21:31 < rewolff> So for example, a STM42 in 20 pins package has a bit to move the USB port from pins that don't exist on the 20 pin package to other pins that ARE present on the 20 pin package.
2015-12-22T19:21:52 < rewolff> Well... that bit doesn't work on the bigger one.
2015-12-22T19:23:01 < emeb> It's interesting that they seem to design the silicon for the packages
2015-12-22T19:23:15 < emeb> it's not the same chip in a different pkg.
2015-12-22T19:23:56 < rewolff> as if getting new masks is relatively cheap for them.
2015-12-22T19:24:09 < emeb> seems so.
2015-12-22T19:24:21 < emeb> wonder what the process node is that they run these on.
2015-12-22T19:24:21 < rewolff> The way the pins are spaced around the chip, makes you think that say 64-208 pins stm32F4's are all the same chip.
2015-12-22T19:24:39 < emeb> my understanding is that mask sets for the leading edge process nodes can run into the megabux
2015-12-22T19:25:26 < rewolff> But with performance topping out near 200MHz, they are not running on Intels 3Ghz process....
2015-12-22T19:25:33 < emeb> altrnatively, they might have bonding options to disable some functions depending on the pkg.
2015-12-22T19:25:55 < emeb> strap a pad to gnd and then feature x no longer works... same die though.
2015-12-22T19:25:55 < rewolff> Or even on the process that produces cellphone CPUs.
2015-12-22T19:26:06 < emeb> I did that in some ASICs I designed.
2015-12-22T19:26:41 < rewolff> STM might have some "factory programmable flash/PROM".
2015-12-22T19:26:59 < rewolff> for the bootloader ("system memory") and/or that kind of options.
2015-12-22T19:27:15 < rewolff> In some documents they hint at "factory programming" the bootloader.
2015-12-22T19:28:02 < emeb> oh definitely - they burn unique IDs & calibration data into system memory at test time.
2015-12-22T19:28:12 < rewolff> (I suspect: Possibly real PROM, but more likely flash-without-the-erase-option installed, or even "full flash" but a secret unlock code.... )
2015-12-22T19:28:21 < emeb> so there could be flash options to configure the die too.
2015-12-22T19:29:39 < rewolff> The STM42 USB module has the 1.5K presense detect pullup hardwired to the correct pin though.
2015-12-22T19:30:01 < rewolff> That goes to the USB pin on the outside even if you forget to set the "move to other pins" bit.
2015-12-22T19:31:40 < zyp> rewolff, the what?
2015-12-22T19:32:21 < rewolff> The 1k5 pullup?
2015-12-22T19:32:35 < zyp> in what chip?
2015-12-22T19:32:53 < rewolff> stm32f042fxx
2015-12-22T19:33:00 < emeb> Interesting
2015-12-22T19:33:19 < zyp> what «move to other pins» bit?
2015-12-22T19:33:30 < emeb> I haven't looked too closely at how that works - just used canned code on my f042 projects.
2015-12-22T19:33:48 < emeb> and mostly just use the DFU bootloader so far
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2015-12-22T19:34:35 < emeb> zyp: on the F042 in the TSSOP20 pkg the USB port comes out on different pins than in larger pkgs
2015-12-22T19:34:45 < zyp> oh
2015-12-22T19:34:46 < emeb> theres a remapping bit to enable that.
2015-12-22T19:35:01 < zyp> heh
2015-12-22T19:35:05 < rewolff>   SYSCFG->CFGR1 |= 0x10;
2015-12-22T19:35:31 < zyp> weird
2015-12-22T19:35:36 < zyp> about the pullup, I mean
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2015-12-22T19:36:01 < rewolff> Fun debugging time: You enable USB, the chip starts enumerating, but... doesn.t
2015-12-22T19:36:01 < zyp> wonder if that's a separate die pad that gets bonded to the appropriate pin for the package
2015-12-22T19:36:23 < zyp> no problem with my usb stack :)
2015-12-22T19:36:59 < zyp> I'd just check internal log of my stack, which would see nothing happening
2015-12-22T19:37:10 < zyp> and problem should be fairly obvious from there
2015-12-22T19:37:26 < zyp> interesting point all the same
2015-12-22T19:37:43 < zyp> I've not used f0, so I'll remember it for when/if I do
2015-12-22T19:37:57 < zyp> rather unlikely that I'll do tssop20 anywhere though
2015-12-22T19:38:06 < emeb> they're fun
2015-12-22T19:38:10 < emeb> nice & tiny
2015-12-22T19:38:15 < emeb> and CHEEP!
2015-12-22T19:38:29 < zyp> and impractical :)
2015-12-22T19:38:36 < zyp> I'll stay on M0+ minimum ;)
2015-12-22T19:38:41 < emeb> eh - depends on your definition.
2015-12-22T19:38:52 < zyp> yes
2015-12-22T19:38:53 < emeb> you and your odd bootloader requirements...
2015-12-22T19:39:09 < zyp> what's odd about it?
2015-12-22T19:39:23 < emeb> just trolling
2015-12-22T19:39:49 < emeb> (needs M0+ for vector relocation stuff)
2015-12-22T19:39:54 < zyp> yes
2015-12-22T19:40:00 < zyp> that's exactly the thing
2015-12-22T19:40:28 < rewolff> Wait! What chips start having M0+, i.e. the vector relocation?
2015-12-22T19:40:35 < zyp> l0
2015-12-22T19:40:53 < zyp> so I'm using l0 rather than f0 because of that
2015-12-22T19:41:12 < rewolff> I only know that I have a few options for the vector table governed by what maps at 0.
2015-12-22T19:41:26 < rewolff> So to change the vector table you need to map RAM at 0.
2015-12-22T19:41:30 < zyp> yes, M0 has no SCB_VTOR, M0+ have it
2015-12-22T19:41:41 < zyp> rewolff, that's a dealbreaker :)
2015-12-22T19:44:17 < zyp> my line of thought is that «if you have usb, you might want to allow user firmware upgrade over it» «if you do firmware upgrade over usb, you might want to use a custom bootloader to allow custom triggers and/or a custom protocol» and «if you want to use a custom bootloader, you need SCB_VTOR to do it properly»
2015-12-22T19:44:37 < zyp> so I see very little use for plain M0 with USB :p
2015-12-22T19:45:40 < rewolff> My board has a pulldown on BOOT0, a switch to VCC, so to upgrade client gets to press the button, and simultaneously insert the USB plug.
2015-12-22T19:45:48 < zyp> boot0 is a very inflexible way to trigger a bootloader and ST's DFU derivate isn't always appropriate
2015-12-22T19:46:45 < rewolff> Always works. though. :-)
2015-12-22T19:47:47 < zyp> oh, and one more thing
2015-12-22T19:48:10 < zyp> on older chips without proper internal 1.5k pullup, internal bootloader won't know how to control an external one either :)
2015-12-22T19:49:19 < zyp> hardwiring it means you can't do soft detach, which you need for a mode switch, so you need to do some trick keeping it default enabled and disabling it for detach, which is a hassle
2015-12-22T19:49:44 < zyp> while just wiring it to a gpio means it goes floating as soon as the chip is in reset
2015-12-22T19:50:15 < zyp> of course, that's no issue for F0, but on my F3-based project, that's another argument for a custom bootloader
2015-12-22T19:50:26 < rewolff> Yes.
2015-12-22T19:50:55 < rewolff> Annoying that such "bugs" have to remain in the chips after they have figured out how to fix them.
2015-12-22T19:51:20 < zyp> the sole advantage of the ROM bootloader is that «it's there without you having to do anything»
2015-12-22T19:51:33 < rewolff> i.e. F0 doesn't need external pullup, so they have the silicon for internal pullup, but for "compatiblity" they don't have F3xx chips that do....
2015-12-22T19:51:36 < zyp> and of course that «on F0, you don't really have a choice»
2015-12-22T19:52:09 < celeron55> i'm currently collecting reasons why i might not want to use f0; so one reason is if i want to enable the user to reprogram it without using a hardware button
2015-12-22T19:52:12 < rewolff> On F0, memory is an issue quickly. So "in ROM" is an advantage. :-)
2015-12-22T19:52:18 < zyp> but I'm simply not going to use F0 for any usb projects, since L0 is a decent alternative
2015-12-22T19:52:51 < rewolff> Unless you want the tssop-20
2015-12-22T19:53:02 < zyp> rewolff, might be, how big is the F0 flash typically?
2015-12-22T19:53:39 < rewolff> 16-32.
2015-12-22T19:53:51 < rewolff> k to be sure. :-)
2015-12-22T19:54:17 < zyp> my bootloader would be <4k if I slim it down by removing the internal debug trace of the usb stack
2015-12-22T19:54:31 < celeron55> i currently use an f0 with 128k
2015-12-22T19:54:35 < rewolff> (I think I came across an 8k device today. But I was hoping to forget that ASAP).
2015-12-22T19:54:52 < zyp> I think I got it down to 3.4k some time people were talking about how bloated it would be to use C++
2015-12-22T19:55:01 < zyp> and I had to prove them wrong
2015-12-22T19:57:10 < emeb> Never argue with zyp about using C++
2015-12-22T19:57:30 < emeb> </protip>
2015-12-22T19:57:36 < zyp> haha
2015-12-22T19:57:53 < jpa-> Never argue with zyp
2015-12-22T19:58:12 < zyp> eh, argument is fine, I'm not always right :)
2015-12-22T19:58:26 < jpa-> ;)
2015-12-22T20:19:57 < gxti> better record than some people here
2015-12-22T20:21:15 < GargantuaSauce> one can take pride in being full of shit, too!
2015-12-22T20:23:46 < GargantuaSauce> good timing
2015-12-22T20:25:50 < upgrdman> lol
2015-12-22T20:27:02 < gxti> like you i suppose
2015-12-22T20:27:29 < upgrdman> "winter sales" even the steam fags can't say xmas sales?
2015-12-22T20:27:52 < emeb> what is steam. :P
2015-12-22T20:28:02 < upgrdman> the gaming platform for faggots
2015-12-22T20:28:04 < gxti> it probably goes past christmas which makes calling it a "christmas sale" a bit silly
2015-12-22T20:28:11  * emeb trolls again.
2015-12-22T20:28:19 < jpa-> why would they, when probably only a fraction of their customers are christian?
2015-12-22T20:28:33 < upgrdman> just trolling
2015-12-22T20:28:41 < jpa-> of course, discriminating against australians is crappy also
2015-12-22T20:28:42 < upgrdman> i dont even believe in a higher power
2015-12-22T20:29:00 < gxti> australians are used to being snubbed
2015-12-22T20:29:09 < gxti> and charged 2x as much for everything even though it's just bits
2015-12-22T20:29:42 < PaulFertser> Is the word "Babylon" commonly understood to mean any oppressing institution?
2015-12-22T20:30:01 < emeb> Only among rastafarians
2015-12-22T20:30:10 < gxti> PaulFertser: only by people overly fond of religious analogies
2015-12-22T20:30:32 < PaulFertser> emeb: but you know it despite not being rasta I assume
2015-12-22T20:31:06 < emeb> PaulFertser: I've read a fair amount of fiction that includes rastafarian references.
2015-12-22T20:31:51 < emeb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iyaric
2015-12-22T20:32:10 < emeb> "referring to human government and institutions that are seen as in rebellion against the rule of Jah (God)"
2015-12-22T20:32:51 < emeb> That's Wotan!
2015-12-22T20:33:11 < gxti> comrade stalin doubts your commitment to the party
2015-12-22T20:33:25 < Laurenceb_> Crusading Otter sing about Babylon sometimes
2015-12-22T20:33:41 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/user/chammy17
2015-12-22T20:35:55 < emeb> So do norse pagans go to church on Wednesday?
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2015-12-22T20:53:07 < Steffanx> No, they do nordic walking on that day.
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2015-12-22T21:02:54 < Steffanx> lol ebay: "Note: Due to the difference between different monitors, the picture may not reflect the actual color of the item. Thank you!"
2015-12-22T21:07:31 < Sync> lol
2015-12-22T21:13:10 < emeb> Thanks Ebay!
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2015-12-22T21:59:23 < jpa-> http://imgur.com/gallery/Z9bAv
2015-12-22T22:00:08 < emeb> hardcore in finland
2015-12-22T22:00:52 < emeb> santa was a stick, not a carrot.
2015-12-22T22:01:00 < zyp> nice
2015-12-22T22:01:51 < jpa-> classified ads are always full of "hire traditional santa claus" but they are never like that :/
2015-12-22T22:02:16 < zyp> you should do something about it
2015-12-22T22:02:18 < emeb> "Is your beard real? How about your horns?"
2015-12-22T22:03:09 < Laurenceb_> holy shit I lolld
2015-12-22T22:03:17 < Laurenceb_> where is your christmas now
2015-12-22T22:03:19 < ReadError> upgrdman
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2015-12-22T22:03:31 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/photos/i-27j92br/0/O/i-27j92br.jpg <--
2015-12-22T22:03:56 < jpa-> nice, changed material?
2015-12-22T22:04:05 < ReadError> yea kapton there
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2015-12-22T22:35:37 < elektrinis> how?
2015-12-22T22:35:40 < elektrinis> laser?
2015-12-22T22:36:01 < ReadError> vinyl cutter thing
2015-12-22T22:36:07 < elektrinis> ah
2015-12-22T22:36:28 < elektrinis> tired to cut kapton with laser, nothing good
2015-12-22T22:36:32 < elektrinis> tried*
2015-12-22T22:36:35 < upgrdman> ReadError, nice
2015-12-22T22:36:54 < elektrinis> is this one of those cheap desktop cutters?
2015-12-22T22:37:00 < ReadError> yea
2015-12-22T22:37:05 < upgrdman> silouette cameo iirc
2015-12-22T22:37:13 < ReadError> silhouette cameo
2015-12-22T22:37:14 < elektrinis> yes, thats the one
2015-12-22T22:37:14 < ReadError> ya
2015-12-22T22:37:25 < elektrinis> was thinking about getting me one
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2015-12-22T22:39:16 < ReadError> yea grabbed one on sale during black friday
2015-12-22T22:39:27 < elektrinis> how much was it?
2015-12-22T22:39:37 < ReadError> 175 w/ extras
2015-12-22T22:39:37 < elektrinis> ~300£ on ebay
2015-12-22T22:40:39 < Laurenceb_> lol you can't cut kapton with a CO2 laser
2015-12-22T22:40:49 < Laurenceb_> you can with Nd:YAG and similar
2015-12-22T22:41:04 < elektrinis> mm
2015-12-22T22:41:17 < elektrinis> and those cheap china desktop engravers are which ones?
2015-12-22T22:41:22 < gxti> just needs moar power
2015-12-22T22:41:39 < elektrinis> when I tried, it did cut, but burned badly
2015-12-22T22:45:14 < Laurenceb_> yeah its going to end in gloopy mess
2015-12-22T22:45:28 < Laurenceb_> it decomposes gradually from ~450C to 600C
2015-12-22T22:45:46 < Laurenceb_> and doesnt give all gas products
2015-12-22T22:46:09 < Laurenceb_> with the right laser it gives much more gas and less residue
2015-12-22T22:46:16 < elektrinis> I wonder how are those 'pro' houses making kapton stencils
2015-12-22T22:46:20 < Laurenceb_> but CO2 is just thermal
2015-12-22T22:46:27 < Laurenceb_> using Nd:YAG cutter
2015-12-22T22:46:32 < elektrinis> mm.
2015-12-22T22:46:41 < Sync> ablate shits
2015-12-22T22:46:44 < Laurenceb_> we have work projects using Kapton film
2015-12-22T22:46:52 < Laurenceb_> thats what we use
2015-12-22T22:47:33 < Laurenceb_> but I suspect they use a harmonic at 355nm or something
2015-12-22T22:48:00 < elektrinis> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hot-DIY-USB-Desktop-Laser-Engraver-Laser-Engraving-machine-Cutter-500mw-17-20cm-/201461368294?hash=item2ee80885e6:g:a~8AAOSw5VFWOXhB
2015-12-22T22:48:07 < elektrinis> what type of laser is this?
2015-12-22T22:48:40 < Laurenceb_> a diode laser
2015-12-22T22:49:37 < elektrinis> 5W diode would be enough?
2015-12-22T22:51:21 < Laurenceb_> its more a question of wavelength if you want to cut Kapton
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2015-12-22T23:22:43 < Getty> "a Frozen cosplay event was canceled due to wintry weather." LOL
2015-12-22T23:23:13 < Steffanx> wintry weather? Probably not in europe?
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2015-12-22T23:23:43 < Getty> Wherever it is, cancelling a FROZEN cosplay event cause of this sounds ridicioulus ;)
2015-12-22T23:25:04 < BrainDamage> yes, becaust frostbite is totally worth a few jokes
2015-12-22T23:25:21 < Getty> it is!
2015-12-22T23:25:28 < Getty> you know nothing, jon snow, as usual
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2015-12-22T23:27:16 < Steffanx> Van Gaal, Getty, not jon snow.
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2015-12-22T23:28:28 < Getty> i am not up to recent football events ;) <checkedupname>
2015-12-22T23:28:44 < Getty> sorry to disappoint ;)
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2015-12-22T23:46:14 < Laurenceb_> stopped reading at cosplay
2015-12-22T23:46:20 < Getty> lol :)
2015-12-22T23:46:38 < Getty> if you would have said "stopped reading at frozen" i could have imagined you have kids ;-)
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2015-12-23T00:00:03 < GargantuaSauce> Laurenceb_ your image link quality has declined significantly in the past few days, is everything ok?
2015-12-23T00:00:36 < GargantuaSauce> or have you just decided that 8chan is the new benchmark internet community
2015-12-23T00:01:06 < Laurenceb_> been spending too much time on 8chan
2015-12-23T00:01:48 < gxti> GargantuaSauce: you're mistaken, anything deviating from "boring crap" is the exception and not indicative of change
2015-12-23T00:01:50 < Laurenceb_> you know you have spent too long on /pol/ when you see your reflection in a mirror and want to ethnically cleanse yourself
2015-12-23T00:02:01 < Laurenceb_> diy gas chamber
2015-12-23T00:04:47 < Laurenceb_> https://archive.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1397/03/1397032318188.png
2015-12-23T00:05:14 < Laurenceb_> why no good photos of spacex falcon post landing :-/
2015-12-23T00:05:29 < GargantuaSauce> faked
2015-12-23T00:05:49 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvWBf1IjzrY&feature=share
2015-12-23T00:05:54 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvWBf1IjzrY
2015-12-23T00:05:55 < GargantuaSauce> 300 good photos
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2015-12-23T00:16:08 < ReadError> pretty impressive they stuck it
2015-12-23T00:16:17 < GargantuaSauce> third time's a charm
2015-12-23T00:17:30 < ReadError> i like how elon is always like, fuckit, we'll try again
2015-12-23T00:21:23 < GargantuaSauce> well yeah each of the failures still showed promise
2015-12-23T00:22:01 < GargantuaSauce> not like they blew up on the pad and killed an entire engineering team
2015-12-23T00:22:33 < Sync> they will get rekt when they loose an astronaut
2015-12-23T00:24:22 < ReadError> Sync, and NASA hasnt?
2015-12-23T00:24:49 < GargantuaSauce> nasa had an effectively unlimited budget and the political drive of the cold war
2015-12-23T00:25:26 < BrainDamage> spacex need to keep investors and contractors happy
2015-12-23T00:25:34 < BrainDamage> nasa had to keep politicians happy
2015-12-23T00:25:45 < BrainDamage> therefore, they had considerely different economical policies
2015-12-23T00:26:47 < GargantuaSauce> it wouldn't surprise me if spacex maintains a much more effective safety culture
2015-12-23T00:27:06 < GargantuaSauce> both shuttle failures were foreseen but unaddressed by the machinations of the organization
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2015-12-23T00:28:02 < GargantuaSauce> it's possible this will change but from what i've seen spacex's approach is much more conservative to risk
2015-12-23T00:28:09 < Laurenceb_> yesterdays launch was pretty ambitious
2015-12-23T00:28:47 < Laurenceb_> first landing attempt on land, multiple sats with dispenser thing, new stage 2 design, chilled propellant, and upgraded stage 1 engines
2015-12-23T00:29:03 < Laurenceb_> thatd take decades for most launch organisations
2015-12-23T00:29:43 < Laurenceb_> and aiui first time chilled propellant has been tried outside of Russia
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2015-12-23T00:38:28 < Laurenceb_> themarysue...
2015-12-23T00:39:09 < Laurenceb_> inb4 "rocket is shaped like a cock as it is made by the patriarchy to rape the sky"
2015-12-23T00:41:59 < Laurenceb_> https://4thwavers.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/patriarchy-aliens.jpg
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2015-12-23T00:44:53 < Laurenceb_> typical reader http://41.media.tumblr.com/b23b2cb34e4af0b378b0276830d101d4/tumblr_nwzcrp7s2D1uwb0w5o1_500.jpg
2015-12-23T00:49:39 < gordonjcp> Laurenceb_: was it you that had the Corsa with the water leak?
2015-12-23T00:50:40 < gordonjcp> you'd never believe it, I stopped to help a couple with a Vauxhall Corsa earlier on today, diesel one, it had dropped half its coolant and overheated in slow traffic
2015-12-23T00:51:50 < Laurenceb_> heh
2015-12-23T00:52:04 < Laurenceb_> yeah I'm still not 100% sure what the problem is
2015-12-23T00:52:30 < Laurenceb_> it's not overheating so much, max temp is ~97C, should be ~95C normally
2015-12-23T00:52:44 < Laurenceb_> but its leaking coolant, going to take it to garage tomorrow
2015-12-23T00:57:13 < zyp> car dealer called me today, told me my car just got a factory slot reserved and that I'll likely have it one week earlier than original estimate
2015-12-23T00:57:17 < Laurenceb_> clearly I need https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLjzL2Xfa7hB1PLxZHIxHSQZxotHyxm1nc&feature=player_embedded&v=fo66PidoHf8
2015-12-23T00:57:22 < zyp> that did nothing to help my inpatience
2015-12-23T00:57:23 < zyp> :p
2015-12-23T01:00:14 < Laurenceb_>  "Did they study at the Blair Witch school of cinematography?" lul
2015-12-23T01:00:49 < gordonjcp> Laurenceb_: clearly you need https://vimeo.com/131418783
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2015-12-23T01:34:37 < mtbg> hi
2015-12-23T01:42:04 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CW1ubxDUsAAhfqz.jpg
2015-12-23T01:51:50 < ReadError> Laurenceb alan's tutorials are better
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2015-12-23T02:52:23 < dongs> http://gcc.godbolt.org/ relevant to this channel
2015-12-23T02:55:51 < dongs> fantastic
2015-12-23T02:55:54 < dongs> online bank is closed
2015-12-23T02:55:57 < dongs> i guess today is some holiday
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2015-12-23T03:06:16 < Getty> dongs: thats cool stuff, yeah
2015-12-23T03:06:54 < Getty> would be the question now at which point this gets interesting
2015-12-23T03:07:40 < dongs> you can quickly confirm if gcc figured out how to do REV16 yet on ARM
2015-12-23T03:08:08 < Getty> ah ok
2015-12-23T03:11:14 < dongs> doesnt make sense
2015-12-23T03:11:21 < dongs> it provudes some awful shit for where a rev16 would be
2015-12-23T03:11:21 < dongs> wtf
2015-12-23T03:11:51 < zyp> haha
2015-12-23T03:12:40 < Sync> wtf, old as balls compiler tho
2015-12-23T03:12:40 < dongs> hm how the fuck do i share a project there
2015-12-23T03:12:41 < dongs> shitty
2015-12-23T03:12:56 < dongs> http://goo.gl/sBsT9t does this work?
2015-12-23T03:14:00 < dongs> looks like
2015-12-23T03:14:01 < dongs> nice
2015-12-23T03:14:24 < zyp> yup, no rev16
2015-12-23T03:14:55 < dongs> maybe one day.
2015-12-23T03:15:02 < zyp> oh, 4.8 does rev16
2015-12-23T03:15:09 < zyp> 4.6 doesn't
2015-12-23T03:15:12 < dongs> where?
2015-12-23T03:15:17 < dongs> with that link?
2015-12-23T03:15:32 < zyp> no, with the one I wrote myself before you pasted yours
2015-12-23T03:15:39 < dongs> what did you write
2015-12-23T03:15:49 < zyp> http://goo.gl/50MTTZ
2015-12-23T03:16:01 < dongs> well duh
2015-12-23T03:16:03 < zyp> wrote identifier names for you
2015-12-23T03:16:14 < dongs> thats not really what the point is
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2015-12-23T03:16:26 < dongs> both input and output are uint16
2015-12-23T03:16:59 < zyp> sure
2015-12-23T03:17:58 < Getty> awesome.... obama on jerry seinfelds comedians getting coffee
2015-12-23T03:18:19 < zyp> is armcc able to combine your two 8-bit array accesses to a single 16-bit access then?
2015-12-23T03:19:11 < dongs> yes
2015-12-23T03:19:23 < dongs> if my source array is like uint8_t foo[6]; or somethign
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2015-12-23T03:19:33 < dongs> and then i do int16_t = foo[0] << 8 | foo[1]
2015-12-23T03:21:10 < zyp> is the compiler even allowed to convert 8 bit reads to 16 bit? what if the array pointer is unaligned?
2015-12-23T03:21:45 < dongs> the vars in my case are static in the function
2015-12-23T03:22:02 < zyp> the one in your example is not
2015-12-23T03:22:18 < dongs> right
2015-12-23T03:22:23 < dongs> but it doesnt do it even if they are
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2015-12-23T04:05:47 < KreAture_> hey dongs
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2015-12-23T04:22:46 < upgrdman_> dongs, http://www.gfycat.com/AffectionateWateryAmericansaddlebred
2015-12-23T04:22:50 < upgrdman_> also R2COM ^
2015-12-23T04:23:19 < Getty> holy shit
2015-12-23T04:23:44 < Getty> modern journalism and modern warfare are not that far away these days!
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2015-12-23T04:27:52 < upgrdman_> lol http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dc8_1450809464
2015-12-23T04:29:01 < Getty> i never see the videos how those animals come up there
2015-12-23T04:29:02 < kakimir> removed my hair
2015-12-23T04:29:34 < Getty> do they magical appear there? is it like respawn or something?
2015-12-23T04:29:54 < upgrdman_> yes they respawn there
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2015-12-23T04:30:31 < kakimir> fucking magicians spawn animals in ridiculous places
2015-12-23T04:34:30 < Getty> R2COM: but you know its past midnight in germany, right?
2015-12-23T04:40:59 < kakimir> hmm
2015-12-23T04:41:20 < kakimir> germany time is 3:41 isn't it
2015-12-23T04:41:27 < Getty> correct
2015-12-23T04:43:09 < Getty> yeah, i wanted to go to bed early today anyway
2015-12-23T04:43:30 < Getty> tomorrow pre-xmas shopping......
2015-12-23T04:46:51 < Getty> alcohol and food
2015-12-23T04:47:00 < Getty> the list is big
2015-12-23T04:47:08 < Getty> oh and a mixer
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2015-12-23T04:58:16 < kakimir> did shopping todays
2015-12-23T05:05:25 < PeterM> upgrdman_, i was going to comment on how strong htat roof was until it jumped to thenext level and went straight through
2015-12-23T05:05:58 < upgrdman_> :)
2015-12-23T05:06:14 < PeterM> but seriously cows are fuckin heavy
2015-12-23T05:06:31 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-12-23T05:08:47 < PeterM> Getty, audio mixer or mixer to go with the alcohol ol
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2015-12-23T05:15:45 < Getty> PeterM: what you think? ;-)
2015-12-23T05:27:41 < kakimir> that was little cow
2015-12-23T05:27:43 < kakimir> no big tits
2015-12-23T05:27:48 < kakimir> no big balls
2015-12-23T05:28:12 < kakimir> she was in her late teens
2015-12-23T05:28:37 < kakimir> 200-250kg
2015-12-23T05:29:23 < kakimir> 250-300 but not over that
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2015-12-23T05:45:52 < upgrdman_> sweet h4x0r skills. windows media player lulz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol27J4ZTAOQ
2015-12-23T05:48:18 < upgrdman_> gets good here https://youtu.be/ol27J4ZTAOQ?t=23
2015-12-23T05:49:23 < PeterM> clearly havent heard of alt+ enter
2015-12-23T05:49:32 < upgrdman_> inorite
2015-12-23T05:49:48 < upgrdman_> https://i.imgur.com/BYuXVSr.jpg
2015-12-23T05:50:32 < PeterM> wot
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2015-12-23T05:50:51 < upgrdman_> that's how SDKs work rite?
2015-12-23T05:51:12 < upgrdman_> some fat guy hands you a glowing one.
2015-12-23T05:51:17 < PeterM> so much wrong with the p[icture
2015-12-23T05:51:53 < PeterM> because you need a glowing toolbox, screwdriver, peice of paper and a tringle for an SDK
2015-12-23T05:52:05 < upgrdman_> http://i.imgur.com/ptMjJjr.png
2015-12-23T05:55:17 < upgrdman_> http://i.imgur.com/WnBnxCb.jpg
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2015-12-23T05:58:33 < upgrdman_> lolol http://www.thekeyboardwaffleiron.com/#about-marquee
2015-12-23T06:04:30 < englishman> dongs always +g
2015-12-23T06:04:41 < englishman> never og
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2015-12-23T07:01:56 < upgrdman_> how do you quantify the error between a signal and its measurement by an ADC? sum the delta squared at each sample point?
2015-12-23T07:02:45 < emeb_mac> wat?
2015-12-23T07:03:00 < emeb_mac> do you know what the actual value should be?
2015-12-23T07:03:01 < upgrdman_> like im making an adc. for fun. how the fuck do i measure how bad it is.
2015-12-23T07:03:04 < upgrdman_> yes
2015-12-23T07:03:23 < upgrdman_> this is being sim'd with ltspice. i know the input and output
2015-12-23T07:03:27 < ds2> which spec are you measuring?
2015-12-23T07:03:32 < ds2> non linearity?
2015-12-23T07:03:35 < upgrdman_> how bad it is :)
2015-12-23T07:03:36 < upgrdman_> yes
2015-12-23T07:03:52 < ds2> how many bits?
2015-12-23T07:04:06 < ds2> hey emeb_mac...
2015-12-23T07:04:12 < upgrdman_> can be changed at will. targeting 8 9 or 10 bits.
2015-12-23T07:04:27 < ds2> ah.. more then what you can do on scratch paper
2015-12-23T07:04:29 < emeb_mac> root mean squared. square the error, then accumulate it, then take the square root of the average
2015-12-23T07:04:41 < upgrdman_> ahh yes. thx
2015-12-23T07:05:12 < emeb_mac> ds2: howdy
2015-12-23T07:05:23 < emeb_mac> how's the sdr project going?
2015-12-23T07:06:33 < ds2> getting stuck with a more realistic sample signal
2015-12-23T07:06:55 < ds2> sample * sin(2piF) should modulate it like an analog mixer, right?
2015-12-23T07:07:14 < emeb_mac> yes
2015-12-23T07:07:16 < upgrdman_> emeb_mac, if the unit are volts, the units of RMS error are volts too, correct?
2015-12-23T07:07:28 < emeb_mac> upgrdman_: yes
2015-12-23T07:07:40 < ds2> okay
2015-12-23T07:08:06 < emeb_mac> ds2: I usually mix with both sin and cos to create an I/Q signal
2015-12-23T07:08:18 < ds2> I = sample * cos(2piF); Q = sample * -sin(2piF) should move the spectrum that was at 'F' down to 0, right?
2015-12-23T07:08:29 < emeb_mac> ds2: yes
2015-12-23T07:08:40 < ds2> that isn't working.
2015-12-23T07:09:13 < emeb_mac> there will also be an image at the sum frequency, but hopefully your filter will kill that.
2015-12-23T07:10:06 < ds2> it will? thought the complex math will give me the equiv of a double balanced mixer
2015-12-23T07:10:21 < emeb_mac> ds2: only if the input is also a complex signal
2015-12-23T07:10:33 < emeb_mac> since you're starting with real IF though there will be an image
2015-12-23T07:10:52 < ds2> what I am stumped on is - fft(sample) and fft("mixed" sample) looks almost the same with a little noise added
2015-12-23T07:11:09 < emeb_mac> hmm
2015-12-23T07:11:34 < ds2> I have put together some code that I can stop at various points and dump a fft of it
2015-12-23T07:12:08 < emeb_mac> when you compute 2*pi*F - that F value is actually a phase accumulation, right?
2015-12-23T07:12:25 < ds2>  LOim = -sin(2*PI*(double)phase*(double)freq/(double)(rate))
2015-12-23T07:13:00 < ds2> rate is sample rate
2015-12-23T07:13:24 < emeb_mac> so which of those values is changing with time?
2015-12-23T07:13:44 < ds2> phase is incremented with every sample
2015-12-23T07:14:01 < ds2> freq is the "frequency" of the oscillator in Hz
2015-12-23T07:14:30 < emeb_mac> OK - should be fine
2015-12-23T07:15:12 < emeb_mac> so if you set "sample" = 1.0 and take the fft of the output do you see a tone @ the right frequency?
2015-12-23T07:16:04 < ds2> let me try that
2015-12-23T07:18:14 < ds2> sort of, I see the main spike and a decaying comb of spikes
2015-12-23T07:18:45 < ds2> closest harmonic spike is about 70dB down
2015-12-23T07:19:00 < emeb_mac> hmm
2015-12-23T07:19:06 < emeb_mac> doesn't sound right
2015-12-23T07:19:27 < ds2> oh if it matters, all the samples are integers
2015-12-23T07:19:40 < ds2> so LOim is a double but the sample is an integer and gets truncated back to an integer
2015-12-23T07:19:45 < emeb_mac> that should be the simplest case - you're basically taking the fft of the LO
2015-12-23T07:19:50 < ds2> I am guessing it is a quantitization things
2015-12-23T07:20:00 < emeb_mac> if it doesn't look right then you need to check all your math.
2015-12-23T07:20:21 < ds2> or I need to look at the fftw docs to see if I need to window stuff
2015-12-23T07:20:25 < emeb_mac> yeah - quantizing can bite you
2015-12-23T07:21:05 < emeb_mac> once you get it into the computer I assume that there's no performance penalty for sticking with floating pt.
2015-12-23T07:21:19 < emeb_mac> might as well not cast back to int
2015-12-23T07:21:35 < ds2> okay, let me rework it all as doubles
2015-12-23T07:24:29 < upgrdman_> R2COM, care to rec a book?
2015-12-23T07:33:47 < ds2> yep, that was it. changed to doubles and I get a nice spike
2015-12-23T07:38:46 < emeb_mac> swap in actual samples & see what happens
2015-12-23T07:42:28 < ds2> regenerating data. found a problem there too
2015-12-23T07:43:07 < ds2> lost faith in modulation so I changed it from a multiple to adding the 2 sidebands for each signal but forgot the adjust the amplitude back to a good range
2015-12-23T07:44:55 < ds2> trig is slow on glibc
2015-12-23T07:48:01 < emeb_mac> ds2: yeah - that math is easy to optimize
2015-12-23T07:48:19 < emeb_mac> put the sin/cos data in a table indexed by phase
2015-12-23T07:49:15 < emeb_mac> for 10-bit ADC data you don't need more than 4k points or so to exceed the noise floor of the input data
2015-12-23T07:50:18 < ds2> 4K point for 4 quad data or just 1 quad?
2015-12-23T07:50:32 < emeb_mac> 4k assuming full wave
2015-12-23T07:50:42 < emeb_mac> 2 bits more than the amplitude
2015-12-23T07:50:58 < emeb_mac> so for 10-bit data use 12-bit phase
2015-12-23T07:51:31 < ds2> so 2048*sin()?
2015-12-23T07:51:39 < emeb_mac> no
2015-12-23T07:52:02 < emeb_mac> quantize the argument of the sin/cos to 12-bits
2015-12-23T07:52:35 < emeb_mac> then save the values in a table so you don't have to compute the trig functions in realtime
2015-12-23T07:53:04 < ds2> I don't see how at table index by arguments would help me
2015-12-23T07:53:48 < ds2> if it matters, the LO needs to be tuneable
2015-12-23T07:54:16 < emeb_mac> tuning doesn't affect the trig calcs
2015-12-23T07:54:28 < emeb_mac> that's just how fast the phase rolls over
2015-12-23T07:54:32 < ds2> maybe I am doing in a too niave way
2015-12-23T07:54:38 < emeb_mac> yes. :)
2015-12-23T07:55:24 < emeb_mac> here's what I usually do: use a 32-bit int for a phase accumulator
2015-12-23T07:55:26 < ds2> I am doing: data -> multiple by LO -> filter as close to 4KHz as I have power for; decimate; repeat til I get a nice 0-4KHz band -> calc. magnitude for AM demo
2015-12-23T07:55:46 < emeb_mac> every sample you add a phase increment to it which is determined by the tuning freq
2015-12-23T07:56:13 < emeb_mac> take the top 12-bits of that value as an index into a LUT containing the sin/cos values you need
2015-12-23T07:56:20 < ds2> is this the same as the NCO stuff that Ihaven't looked at yet?
2015-12-23T07:56:24 < emeb_mac> yes
2015-12-23T07:56:27 < emeb_mac> exactly
2015-12-23T07:56:39 < ds2> okay, that's further down the learning process
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2015-12-23T07:59:07 < timemob> hello stoners
2015-12-23T08:08:23 < emeb_mac> cheese it - the cops!
2015-12-23T08:08:32 < emeb_mac> timecop that is
2015-12-23T08:09:03  * emeb_mac always wondered what dongs has about Jean-Claude Van Damme...
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2015-12-23T08:10:03 < emeb_mac> granted, he is awesome - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7FIvfx5J10
2015-12-23T08:10:25 < tim3mob> who
2015-12-23T08:10:29 < tim3mob> also, bbl
2015-12-23T08:10:35 < tim3mob> shit signal
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2015-12-23T08:15:06 < ds2> okay back to generating a tone
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2015-12-23T08:49:49 < GargantuaSauce> a tone, a tone https://youtu.be/UNdZxoGKEPw?t=31
2015-12-23T08:50:48 < emeb_mac> +1 for shpongle
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2015-12-23T09:06:36 < upgrdman_> wtf kind of music is that lol
2015-12-23T09:07:46 < upgrdman_> this is awesomely hilarious
2015-12-23T09:07:55 < upgrdman_> lol'ing hardcore now
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2015-12-23T09:28:48 < ds2> heh... this is taking 6 seconds to process 1 second of dat
2015-12-23T09:28:49 < ds2> a
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2015-12-23T11:39:31 < Fleck> rewolff: thanks, your macro helps! :) good thing to have :)
2015-12-23T11:40:04 < rewolff> :-)
2015-12-23T11:40:22 < Fleck> added 2nd arg - count to print :)
2015-12-23T11:40:29 < Fleck> now I do mod addr count
2015-12-23T11:40:45 < rewolff> Makes sense.
2015-12-23T11:41:10 < Fleck> wonder, why there is no such thing built into gdb...
2015-12-23T11:41:31 < rewolff> The unix way is: If its easy to build, you can build it yourself.
2015-12-23T11:41:42 < Fleck> guess so, yes :)
2015-12-23T11:41:50 < Fleck> anyway, thanks man!
2015-12-23T11:42:10 < rewolff> Or course, having a "provided set of  macros" with something like this in it  would've been nice.
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2015-12-23T13:51:39 < dongs> sup stoners
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2015-12-23T17:08:30 < Fleck> fenugrec: I did now! :D
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2015-12-23T17:16:21 < fenugrec> Fleck haha nice, so what was it
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2015-12-23T17:17:03 < Fleck> a bunch of things, but looks like mainly GPIO_SPEED_HIGH to GPIO_SPEED_LOW did the trick
2015-12-23T17:17:38 < fenugrec> wait, you had to reduce speed ?
2015-12-23T17:17:44 < Fleck> but there where other FSMC timing errors.. like CUBE subtracts from struct values values :D
2015-12-23T17:18:24 < Fleck> that made it jump to different access modes etc etc :D
2015-12-23T17:18:25 < Fleck> crayz
2015-12-23T17:18:43 < Fleck> yep, I lowered FSMC pin speed
2015-12-23T17:18:51 < Fleck> and there is minimal noise now in SPI line
2015-12-23T17:24:12 < Fleck> there is still some noise in SPI line but, it's similar to chibios now
2015-12-23T17:24:23 < Fleck> rewolff's macro helped a lot
2015-12-23T17:24:46 < Fleck> first I compared FSMC regs, then GPIO :D
2015-12-23T17:24:52 < fenugrec> oh you had external mem hooked up too ?
2015-12-23T17:25:13 < Fleck> kindoff, LCD :)
2015-12-23T17:25:24 < fenugrec> aah
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2015-12-23T17:46:04 < Fleck> fenugrec: that was the point - when FSMC is active - noise in SPI line :D if FSMC is inactive, no noise
2015-12-23T17:46:45 < fenugrec> is your power supply adequate & decoupled enough ?
2015-12-23T17:46:57 < Fleck> supply is USB port
2015-12-23T17:50:07 < fenugrec> you need caps near the mcu of course
2015-12-23T17:50:39 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKakV0anhUbG4wRmM/view?usp=sharing I need custom supply
2015-12-23T17:50:46 < kakimir> some fingernail size
2015-12-23T17:52:54 < Fleck> fenugrec: there are many on F4-Disco board :D
2015-12-23T17:55:11 < ReadError> kakimir
2015-12-23T17:55:28 < PaulFertser> fenugrec: pin "speed" is actually drive strength
2015-12-23T17:55:35 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-fzmRGqq/0/X3/CA_10211513014417-X3.jpg
2015-12-23T17:56:06 < fenugrec> PaulFertser yes I know - hence, a poor supply would droop on level transitions, and possibly cause some of those issues.
2015-12-23T17:56:15 < PaulFertser> fenugrec: higher drive means sharper edges, hence more different frequencies to emit :)
2015-12-23T17:56:35 < PaulFertser> fenugrec: iirc all st boards have recommended caps on all the Vcc pins.
2015-12-23T17:56:50 < kakimir> ReadError: what is that?
2015-12-23T17:57:12 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-fXC4XmQ/0/X3/CA_11181501450305-X3.jpg
2015-12-23T17:57:15 < Fleck> PaulFertser: I think he knows that
2015-12-23T17:57:15 < kakimir> I need smaller
2015-12-23T17:57:18 < ReadError> little 5/12v buck
2015-12-23T17:57:23 < ReadError> with LC
2015-12-23T17:57:25 < kakimir> 12volt no use
2015-12-23T17:57:32 < kakimir> only one 5v
2015-12-23T17:57:37 < ReadError> or 2x 5
2015-12-23T17:57:46 < kakimir> ho many amps per channel?
2015-12-23T17:57:56 < ReadError> atleast 1
2015-12-23T17:58:04 < ReadError> depending on input voltage
2015-12-23T17:58:30 < fenugrec> hehe I didn't know what board he was using until 2 minutes ago, so the decoupling is probably OK. Still those traces seemed to have problems more serious than just high speed ringing
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2015-12-23T17:58:54 < kakimir> if my input voltage is 6volts
2015-12-23T17:59:09 < ReadError> then you dont need regulator probably
2015-12-23T17:59:09 < kakimir> it gives - nothing
2015-12-23T17:59:23 < kakimir> but it can be from 9 volts down to 6
2015-12-23T17:59:41 < kakimir> 9volts - not good
2015-12-23T17:59:41 < englishman> at <1a?
2015-12-23T17:59:43 < englishman> lm1117
2015-12-23T17:59:44 < ReadError> solder some wires on a linear reg
2015-12-23T17:59:46 < ReadError> done
2015-12-23T18:00:59 < kakimir> lets be power conservative
2015-12-23T18:01:07 < ReadError> why you gotta be complicated
2015-12-23T18:01:28 < kakimir> and ld1117 has drop voltage more than a volt
2015-12-23T18:01:31 < kakimir> not good
2015-12-23T18:02:11 < ReadError> https://www.pololu.com/product/2831
2015-12-23T18:02:14 < ReadError> just get that then
2015-12-23T18:02:18 < kakimir> maybe I go with linear reg after all
2015-12-23T18:02:27 < kakimir> there is just few volts difference
2015-12-23T18:02:53 < englishman> all pro ees ask ##stm32 for liner reg advice, its ok
2015-12-23T18:03:19 < kakimir> those little boards have conversion of 80% anyways
2015-12-23T18:03:22 < kakimir> so no gains
2015-12-23T18:03:32 < kakimir> it should be basically a big coil
2015-12-23T18:03:35 < kakimir> and cap
2015-12-23T18:03:42 < kakimir> and little crap ic there
2015-12-23T18:04:05 < ReadError> https://www.pololu.com/product/2119
2015-12-23T18:04:10 < kakimir> coil resistance does it
2015-12-23T18:05:10 < kakimir> I draw my own board for real gains
2015-12-23T18:05:31 < kakimir> 10mm x 10mm inductor some mOhm range one
2015-12-23T18:05:37 < kakimir> or 8 x 8
2015-12-23T18:05:46 < kakimir> maybe seperate fet
2015-12-23T18:06:08 < kakimir> then fit it all under that inductor
2015-12-23T18:06:31 < ReadError> does the extra gain in efficiency really even matter?
2015-12-23T18:06:40 < ReadError> surely you will crash before the battery runs out
2015-12-23T18:06:46 < kakimir> not with glider
2015-12-23T18:07:30 < kakimir> 5hours is not enough
2015-12-23T18:07:45 < kakimir> I want 6
2015-12-23T18:08:12 < ReadError> ^.^
2015-12-23T18:10:32 < kakimir> I don't know what efficiency of that current thing is with dozen mA
2015-12-23T18:10:47 < kakimir> few dozens of mA
2015-12-23T18:11:06 < kakimir> need to check servo consumption
2015-12-23T18:13:49 < Laurenceb_> what are you trying to power with what?
2015-12-23T18:17:03 < kakimir> 3-4 servos
2015-12-23T18:17:08 < kakimir> fr sky receiver
2015-12-23T18:17:12 < kakimir> frsky*
2015-12-23T18:18:37 < kakimir> okay servo quescent current is like nothing close to 10mA
2015-12-23T18:18:55 < kakimir> maybe not even 1mA
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2015-12-23T18:37:22 < kakimir> 120mA holding current
2015-12-23T18:37:42 < kakimir> equals 500mA buck ic
2015-12-23T18:38:51 < Laurenceb_> off simgle lipo?
2015-12-23T18:38:51 < ReadError> per servo?
2015-12-23T18:39:06 < ReadError> servos under load can pull some pretty sick power
2015-12-23T18:39:11 < ReadError> but doubt u bout dat life
2015-12-23T18:40:08 < kakimir> 2S lipo
2015-12-23T18:40:25 < kakimir> receiver current 20mA
2015-12-23T18:40:26 < ReadError> you checked them stalled or loaded?
2015-12-23T18:40:37 < ReadError> only 20mA?
2015-12-23T18:40:43 < ReadError> remember it being higher
2015-12-23T18:40:43 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-23T18:40:47 < ReadError> do you have the tx on?
2015-12-23T18:40:51 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-23T18:40:58 < kakimir> without tx 30mA
2015-12-23T18:41:21 < kakimir> but my current meter is for reference not for actual measurement
2015-12-23T18:41:30 < kakimir> supply display
2015-12-23T18:41:58 < kakimir> 20-30mA anyways when binded
2015-12-23T18:42:19 < kakimir> and I turned the servo and reading was 120mA more
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2015-12-23T18:43:06 < ReadError> what rx?
2015-12-23T18:43:19 < kakimir> so it can momenterally sink.. 150mA ?
2015-12-23T18:43:36 < ReadError> i wouldnt spec for anything under 1A
2015-12-23T18:44:17 < kakimir> that little crap?
2015-12-23T18:45:15 < kakimir> it's wires are combined about one of typical size wire of servo
2015-12-23T18:45:26 < kakimir> micro servo
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2015-12-23T18:55:20 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Murata-Power-Solutions/OKL-T-1-W12P-C/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt6Q9lZSPl3RQeydCnDOsgAm%2fEL%2folq%252bSA%3d
2015-12-23T18:56:48 < kakimir> dongs: don't click it
2015-12-23T18:56:57 < kakimir> there is these modules
2015-12-23T18:58:21 < kakimir> that one is not good
2015-12-23T19:00:39 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeGYluXL3CI
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2015-12-23T19:03:06 < Laurenceb_> use a buck then?
2015-12-23T19:04:37 < BrainDamage> >codec: raw, i bet they could h265 using asm :J
2015-12-23T19:19:05 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Monolithic-Power-Systems-MPS/MPM3606GQV-P/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvAX9OfPh%252b2NSPQCIC%2fs53is99DudDedzICXOoxCHij0g%3d%3d integrated inductor and lower current operation is better
2015-12-23T19:20:53 < kakimir> if you need small low power buck with low voltage more than 5.5VIN and low voltage out also
2015-12-23T19:21:12 < kakimir> 200uA quescent
2015-12-23T19:21:30 < kakimir> I tell if I find better
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2015-12-23T19:28:19 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/TPS62172QDSGTQ1/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvAX9OfPh%252b2NcqXnHaQXdGGFEaAf9nEySHPZfm1e3dGQg%3d%3d it's getting closer now
2015-12-23T19:29:12 < kakimir> 100% range and seamless power saving
2015-12-23T19:29:42 < kakimir> 17uA quescent and around 90% efficiency
2015-12-23T19:30:11 < ReadError> you are obsessing over 10%
2015-12-23T19:30:21 < ReadError> move the sticks less and you will save more
2015-12-23T19:30:58 < kakimir> I balance it so I dont need to touch sticks
2015-12-23T19:31:05 < kakimir> unless I want to turn slightly
2015-12-23T19:31:55 < kakimir> it's so sweet
2015-12-23T19:33:44 < kakimir> I look no further
2015-12-23T19:33:57 < kakimir> tps62172 it is
2015-12-23T19:34:04 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theamericanmirror.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Hillary-for-prison.jpg
2015-12-23T19:34:32 < kakimir> yankeeland is going mad
2015-12-23T19:36:57 < kakimir> no
2015-12-23T19:36:59 < kakimir> they go mad
2015-12-23T19:37:07 < kakimir> and invade UK
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2015-12-23T19:37:13 < kakimir> because fuck europeans
2015-12-23T19:37:57 < kakimir> some more and some less
2015-12-23T19:39:53 < kakimir> well.. options are scarse
2015-12-23T19:40:00 < Getty> hey hey hey
2015-12-23T19:40:27 < kakimir> but arent europeland vassals to germanic europe?
2015-12-23T19:40:37 < Getty> financial its all germany playland
2015-12-23T19:40:55 < Getty> Merkelland!
2015-12-23T19:41:09 < celeron55> the merkel union
2015-12-23T19:41:18 < Getty> well thats another thing ;)
2015-12-23T19:41:32 < Getty> NAH!
2015-12-23T19:41:35 < Getty> that was so unproductive
2015-12-23T19:41:41 < Getty> we germans dont do that again
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2015-12-23T19:42:06 < Getty> we tried, didnt worked out, so we need new tactics ;)
2015-12-23T19:42:23 < Getty> LOL! we are probably the only country the americans cant send into war ;)
2015-12-23T19:42:28 < Getty> enough balls on that topic
2015-12-23T19:42:45 < Laurenceb_> my neighbour is on US no fly list :D
2015-12-23T19:42:56 < Getty> lol he specific or just same name?
2015-12-23T19:43:13 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: because of being your neighbor?
2015-12-23T19:43:17 < Laurenceb_> specific, hes a serial killer
2015-12-23T19:43:20 < Getty> lol
2015-12-23T19:43:49 < kakimir> well doesn't it apply to most countries anyway
2015-12-23T19:43:56 < kakimir> show clean papers and you can come
2015-12-23T19:43:59 < Laurenceb_> interesting guy but a bit scary
2015-12-23T19:44:28 < Laurenceb_> he used to work for Rolls Royce before developing a passion for eating people
2015-12-23T19:44:33 < kakimir> papers say: 11x murder
2015-12-23T19:44:41 < kakimir> okay you stay home
2015-12-23T19:45:05 < Laurenceb_> he has found god and is out on parole
2015-12-23T19:45:08 < emeb> Laurenceb_: he promised he'd try his best not to do it again, so he's no longer in prison.
2015-12-23T19:45:32 < kakimir> he is looking at your beefy butt Laurenceb_
2015-12-23T19:45:41 < emeb> Hopefully you're not around when his conscience fails him next time.
2015-12-23T19:45:43 < Getty> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDZu04v7_hc our new xmas overlords!
2015-12-23T19:46:34 < kakimir> they havebeen working on robo dog for forever
2015-12-23T19:46:43 < kakimir> and it still ooks the same
2015-12-23T19:47:00 < kakimir> and does nothing new
2015-12-23T19:47:29 < kakimir> wait those can actually walk!
2015-12-23T19:47:37 < kakimir> instead of jumping in the place
2015-12-23T19:47:40 < Getty> kakimir: you can but antlers on them now
2015-12-23T19:47:50 < Getty> kakimir: you know, DLC for your robot
2015-12-23T19:59:46 < kakimir> oh
2015-12-23T20:00:15 < kakimir> close combat weapon
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2015-12-23T20:39:32 < Getty> Yeah! The Land Before Time XIV 8-)
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2015-12-23T20:58:10 < kakimir> superbia: pm?
2015-12-23T20:58:23 < Getty> i think he means private message
2015-12-23T20:58:37 < Getty> as some kind of retards pretended that its good manner to ask on a public channel if someone wants a private conversation
2015-12-23T20:58:58 < Getty> even tho that is the most bad manner ever i can imagine, cause then you lift the "private relationship" towards a public channel (beside that you annoy all others with something they dont care about)
2015-12-23T21:01:12 < kakimir> if it's question it needs question mark
2015-12-23T21:01:26 < Getty> well thats not really the point i would critic here ;)
2015-12-23T21:03:14 < kakimir> maybe it's for others to know there was private conversation
2015-12-23T21:03:55 < kakimir> in some cases
2015-12-23T21:05:38 < kakimir> ultra concideraters
2015-12-23T21:05:51 < Getty> its just stupid ;)
2015-12-23T21:06:19 < Getty> but its like standard on all "low profile chats" (so webchats with retardo interfaces)
2015-12-23T21:06:31 < kakimir> ooh
2015-12-23T21:06:41 < kakimir> enlightenment
2015-12-23T21:07:05 < Getty> but old irc culture is dying so or so
2015-12-23T21:07:13 < kakimir> I only do high standart chats so I don't know
2015-12-23T21:07:16 < Getty> channels like #stm32 where the good old culture is valued are rare....
2015-12-23T21:07:52 < Getty> the old official #linode channel was AWESOME about this, all people talking about all kind of topics and a lot of experts gave in a lot of stuff
2015-12-23T21:08:02 < Getty> but then the linode team decided to keep the channel "ontopic"
2015-12-23T21:08:09 < Getty> and generate an extra offtopic channel
2015-12-23T21:08:11 < Getty> now both are dead ;)
2015-12-23T21:08:26 < Getty> if you want experts on the channel, give them offtopic food
2015-12-23T21:08:55 < kakimir> sure thing I have never seen that ontopic offtopic without one of channels completelly dead
2015-12-23T21:09:04 < Getty> if you as experts only can talk about the expert topic, then you get bored, and avoid clicking the channel when there is action
2015-12-23T21:09:22 < Getty> kakimir: you know #jquery? go in there
2015-12-23T21:09:33 < Getty> kakimir: when john founded the channel i was one of the "first 50"
2015-12-23T21:09:44 < Getty> we had 50 people in the channel, and had like 24/7 actions, there was not 5 minutes without chat
2015-12-23T21:09:44 < kakimir> I rather not get into js now
2015-12-23T21:10:00 < Getty> now we have 800(!!!!!) people on that channel and its dead, like really dead, not even ontopic questions often
2015-12-23T21:10:39 < Getty> there are expections so, you cant fully generalize it, like unrealengine channel is 24/7 full action only with ontopic
2015-12-23T21:10:49 < kakimir> well it's too big channel
2015-12-23T21:10:59 < Getty> and offtopic is not liked to be seen as the ontopic is already filling up the flood to read
2015-12-23T21:11:05 < Getty> kakimir: there is no too big
2015-12-23T21:11:12 < Getty> kakimir: there are just bad politics
2015-12-23T21:11:21 < Getty> R2COM: thats how IRC works ;)
2015-12-23T21:11:24 < Getty> but we GOT 15 people
2015-12-23T21:11:40 < Getty> yeah he is our sweetheart, that for sure
2015-12-23T21:11:47 < kakimir> is there stm32 charts btw?
2015-12-23T21:12:42 < Getty> everyone is a stupid opensores person! ;)
2015-12-23T21:12:48 < Getty> is what dongs would say
2015-12-23T21:12:52 < kakimir> R2COM is kind of angry 90% of time
2015-12-23T21:14:14 < kakimir> when he is like in ease it's outstandingly weird
2015-12-23T21:14:28 < Getty> ah, he is just a teddybear
2015-12-23T21:14:42 < kakimir> I know
2015-12-23T21:14:43 < Getty> hairy, looks dangerous, but no threat
2015-12-23T21:14:44 < Getty> ;-)
2015-12-23T21:15:13 < kakimir> makes growling noises
2015-12-23T21:34:48 < Getty> everytime i see sum of all fears i get so much disturbed by the fact that he uses the number keys above the letters instead of the numpad to give in the nuclear codes
2015-12-23T21:35:05 < Getty> that is a computer made only for accepting codes, and they use these keys??
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2015-12-23T21:45:58 < GargantuaSauce> its no less convenient for entering 00000000
2015-12-23T21:48:09 < Sync> well they technically had codes :D
2015-12-23T21:48:48 < Steffanx> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/other/cspy/stm32.html need more kakimir?
2015-12-23T21:49:57 < kakimir> that is interesting Steffanx
2015-12-23T21:50:01 < GargantuaSauce> it's good that you put getty on top above all the other plebs
2015-12-23T21:50:24 < Getty> hahahhahahaha i am your god ;)
2015-12-23T21:50:44 < Sync> superbia: no
2015-12-23T21:53:20 < englishman> ReadError->chibios
2015-12-23T21:53:21 < englishman> rofl
2015-12-23T21:54:49 < Getty> yeah, he is pretty lonely with that one ;-)
2015-12-23T21:55:10 < englishman> why arent there more swear words around dongs
2015-12-23T21:55:39 < englishman> i guess gcc is kind of a swear word
2015-12-23T21:55:47 < Steffanx> censored
2015-12-23T21:56:24 < englishman> jpa-->hardfault
2015-12-23T21:56:27 < englishman> poor jpa- lol
2015-12-23T21:57:54 < Getty> englishman: only hardfault and bug.....
2015-12-23T22:05:34 < Steffanx> superbia, Tectu also wants to get PMs
2015-12-23T22:07:00 < Tectu> tectu -> keil    what a shame
2015-12-23T22:07:27 < ReadError> chibios and i off in our own corner
2015-12-23T22:08:06 < Steffanx> lol so serious superbia :D
2015-12-23T22:08:19 < Getty> why so serious?..... :D
2015-12-23T22:08:20 < kakimir> :d
2015-12-23T22:08:38 < ReadError> CALM DOWN GUIZE
2015-12-23T22:08:39 < ReadError> <dongs> lets just all get a bong and get stoned
2015-12-23T22:09:28 < emeb> I think that these days the kids are all saying "u mad"
2015-12-23T22:09:46 < Steffanx> + "brah"
2015-12-23T22:10:48 < englishman> just havn a gigol m8
2015-12-23T22:14:13 < Steffanx> Anyway, you better ignore me superbia, because i wont come out of my 2x2 apartment any time soon.
2015-12-23T22:15:16 < kakimir> I need small but really loud buzzer
2015-12-23T22:15:54 < Steffanx> define really load kakimir.
2015-12-23T22:16:15 < Steffanx> Those simple 5V buzzers i used once were pretty damn annoying load.
2015-12-23T22:16:17 < Steffanx> *loud
2015-12-23T22:17:05 < kakimir> something I hear from sky high from my glider
2015-12-23T22:17:12 < kakimir> ie.
2015-12-23T22:19:59 < ReadError> i have some loud ones
2015-12-23T22:20:04 < ReadError> but not super small
2015-12-23T22:22:55 < kakimir> my glider is less than 2cm wide
2015-12-23T22:23:08 < kakimir> electronics compartment
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2015-12-23T22:26:35 < GargantuaSauce> what is the buzzer supposed to indicate
2015-12-23T22:27:14 < GargantuaSauce> making it audible above the motor might be difficult
2015-12-23T22:27:15 < kakimir> low battery
2015-12-23T22:27:20 < kakimir> glider
2015-12-23T22:27:36 < kakimir> hope thermals
2015-12-23T22:28:17 < kakimir> hill wind is more actual thing than thermal close to ground
2015-12-23T22:28:47 < GargantuaSauce> well at that scale it's going to have a lot of trouble with any turbulence
2015-12-23T22:29:25 < GargantuaSauce> anyway you might want to consider doing telemetry instead
2015-12-23T22:30:37 < kakimir> hmm
2015-12-23T22:30:55 < englishman> kakimir: if you want to make a vario, listening to beeping coming from your glider is probably the hardest way
2015-12-23T22:31:16 < kakimir> i can have vario...
2015-12-23T22:31:21 < kakimir> does it work in rc scale?
2015-12-23T22:31:43 < englishman> here
2015-12-23T22:31:43 < englishman> http://team-blacksheep.com/products/prod:l1dvariometer
2015-12-23T22:31:46 < englishman> tbs' first product
2015-12-23T22:31:56 < englishman> like 7 years old
2015-12-23T22:32:06 < englishman> connect to video transmitter, listen to beeps in earpiece
2015-12-23T22:33:06 < kakimir> my battery is 150mA
2015-12-23T22:33:14 < kakimir> what do I get?
2015-12-23T22:33:40 < Laurenceb_> dongs at work  http://new1.fjcdn.com/comments/That+description+about+the+shoe+guy+i+lost+my++_ccef5a254c5f8b9d3810a00b21e9c2b6.jpg
2015-12-23T22:33:59 < kakimir> I think telemetry tranceiver consumes 4times more than just receiver
2015-12-23T22:34:02 < englishman> no idea, never bought one
2015-12-23T22:34:10 < englishman> $120 for a baro + pic18 is too much for me
2015-12-23T22:34:24 < kakimir> that is just gay
2015-12-23T22:34:40 < englishman> that isnt digital telemetry either but works thru your audio channel
2015-12-23T22:34:44 < kakimir> have telemetry thru flycontroller that has i2c baro
2015-12-23T22:34:51 < Laurenceb_> why so much shit
2015-12-23T22:34:55 < englishman> im pretty sure cheap frsky shit does vario with some baro addon
2015-12-23T22:35:00 < englishman> if you have a taranis
2015-12-23T22:35:01 < Laurenceb_> just make a custom board if you are this obsessed
2015-12-23T22:35:02 < englishman> which you should
2015-12-23T22:35:13 < kakimir> then install some beep addon to 9x opentx
2015-12-23T22:35:30 < Laurenceb_> ewww
2015-12-23T22:35:49 < Laurenceb_> then again openpilot and company are all a bit eww as far as radio links go
2015-12-23T22:35:49 < kakimir> 9x
2015-12-23T22:35:59 < Laurenceb_> someone needs to do a decent long range link
2015-12-23T22:36:24 < englishman> yes
2015-12-23T22:36:25 < englishman> someone
2015-12-23T22:36:39 < kakimir> who?
2015-12-23T22:36:41 < englishman> also: lol openpilot
2015-12-23T22:36:42 < englishman> noob
2015-12-23T22:37:01 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2015-12-23T22:37:05 < Laurenceb_> ok then taulabs
2015-12-23T22:37:23 < englishman> if you use taulabs, you probably dont fly
2015-12-23T22:37:32 < Laurenceb_> I dont lol
2015-12-23T22:37:41 < Laurenceb_> just have a bunch of hardware I've played around with
2015-12-23T22:37:42 < englishman> case in point
2015-12-23T22:37:58 < Laurenceb_> I managed to get 156dB link budget out of silabs
2015-12-23T22:38:18 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ has his broomstick remember?
2015-12-23T22:38:19 < Laurenceb_> but if someone could make PSK work its be even better
2015-12-23T22:38:23 < Steffanx> He will fly.
2015-12-23T22:38:32 < Laurenceb_> lame and old
2015-12-23T22:39:38 < Steffanx> someone had to say it
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2015-12-23T22:43:14 < kakimir> I need low power flight controller
2015-12-23T22:43:33 < kakimir> can you clock down flight controller boards?
2015-12-23T22:43:56 < GargantuaSauce> just accelerate them to near the speed of light
2015-12-23T22:44:20 < kakimir> practical solution
2015-12-23T22:44:48 < GargantuaSauce> it's just a microcontroller dude, there's nothing magical here
2015-12-23T22:45:20 < upgrdman__> anyone know of a source for quality jumper wires? dupont trash on ebay is trash. looking for silicone wire, those nice machines circular pins/sockets...
2015-12-23T22:46:24 < GargantuaSauce> no but i am interested in whatever you end up finding upgrdman__
2015-12-23T22:46:36 < upgrdman__> ok. will retweet if i ever find them
2015-12-23T22:47:05 < GargantuaSauce> ive switched to those machine pins for headers+ic sockets on my shitty perfboards and will never look back
2015-12-23T22:49:49 < upgrdman__> i like how aidsfruit calls china duport jumpers "premium" https://www.adafruit.com/products/760
2015-12-23T22:50:10 < englishman> lol what controller will even affect flight time
2015-12-23T22:50:19 < englishman> every fc will draw WAY less than a servo
2015-12-23T22:50:40 < kakimir> GargantuaSauce: but is FG software build for certain clock speeds?
2015-12-23T22:51:13 < kakimir> so that it wont perform if set outside those options
2015-12-23T22:51:53 < kakimir> and if those programs do all the math all the time or if those are switchable
2015-12-23T22:52:09 < kakimir> some standart stm32
2015-12-23T22:52:16 < kakimir> board
2015-12-23T22:52:33 < kakimir> why there is no lpc flight controllers
2015-12-23T22:53:33 < ReadError> kakimir https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/PReDvxY5
2015-12-23T22:53:43 < ReadError> this should do w/e you need
2015-12-23T22:56:40 < englishman> or, ya know, buy the real thing
2015-12-23T22:56:43 < englishman> for $17
2015-12-23T22:56:43 < englishman> http://abusemark.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=45
2015-12-23T22:56:55 < englishman> so expensive
2015-12-23T22:57:38 < kakimir> ReadError: how it can be so small?=
2015-12-23T22:57:57 < kakimir> does it have i2c?
2015-12-23T22:57:58 < ReadError> stm is on bottom
2015-12-23T22:58:05 < ReadError> yes, has i2c
2015-12-23T22:58:10 < ReadError> 2 uarts
2015-12-23T22:58:16 < kakimir> in that board?
2015-12-23T22:58:19 < kakimir> crazy
2015-12-23T22:58:31 < GargantuaSauce> not enough vias though
2015-12-23T22:58:34 < ReadError> pins for voltage/current
2015-12-23T22:58:43 < ReadError> so you acn telemetry alt/voltage/etc back
2015-12-23T23:00:20 < kakimir> that board does not have groundplane to via stitch
2015-12-23T23:00:34 < ReadError> its 4L
2015-12-23T23:00:42 < ReadError> has a ground plane or multiple
2015-12-23T23:01:09 < kakimir> hey is this board by dong`?
2015-12-23T23:01:09 < ReadError> just wanted smallest usable solution
2015-12-23T23:01:29 < kakimir> jippon currency and same layout
2015-12-23T23:02:11 < ReadError> mine is based off his
2015-12-23T23:02:19 < ReadError> but w/o dumb solder pads for stuff
2015-12-23T23:02:56 < GargantuaSauce> https://youtu.be/z92bmlcmyq0?t=61 clonerin'
2015-12-23T23:03:11 < kakimir> those solder pads are just what is needed
2015-12-23T23:03:18 < ReadError> GargantuaSauce no no
2015-12-23T23:03:19 < kakimir> solder some lackered wire to those
2015-12-23T23:03:27 < GargantuaSauce> what's your price for flight??
2015-12-23T23:03:30 < kakimir> lackered twisted pairs
2015-12-23T23:03:39 < englishman> lacquered
2015-12-23T23:03:52 < ReadError> i only make because dongs has stupid layout
2015-12-23T23:03:52 < englishman> you know what they say, if you have to convince someone its not cloned
2015-12-23T23:04:14 < kakimir> liquorice
2015-12-23T23:04:30 < kakimir> is dongs one orginal mini shiet?
2015-12-23T23:06:19 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-rtG5WSD
2015-12-23T23:06:25 < ReadError> dongs bottom
2015-12-23T23:06:42 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-rgcZKjv/0/X3/CA_12031409571622-X3.jpg
2015-12-23T23:08:04 < kakimir> I need that centimeter grid thing
2015-12-23T23:09:00 < kakimir> sweet shuntboard
2015-12-23T23:09:38 < kakimir> does your board have i2c uart and analog inputs?
2015-12-23T23:09:57 < ReadError> yes, 2 analog (voltage/current)
2015-12-23T23:10:04 < ReadError> i2c: sda/scl/3.3/gnd
2015-12-23T23:10:19 < ReadError> usart1: rx/tx/VCC/gnd
2015-12-23T23:10:24 < ReadError> usart2: rx/tx/VCC/gnd
2015-12-23T23:10:43 < kakimir> so its all better than dongs?
2015-12-23T23:10:57 < ReadError> not better
2015-12-23T23:11:03 < ReadError> it just better for me
2015-12-23T23:11:17 < ReadError> and what i was using it for
2015-12-23T23:11:27 < kakimir> it doesn't have barometer
2015-12-23T23:12:03 < GargantuaSauce> acrotards don't use baro
2015-12-23T23:12:41 < ReadError> kakimir it does
2015-12-23T23:13:00 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-rtG5WSD/0/X3/CA_12031409523284-X3.jpg
2015-12-23T23:13:01 < ReadError> both do
2015-12-23T23:13:17 < kakimir> well its not as good as BMP280?
2015-12-23T23:13:50 < kakimir> what is it?
2015-12-23T23:14:13 < ReadError> ms5611
2015-12-23T23:14:16 < kakimir> why dont you use BGA already
2015-12-23T23:14:23 < ReadError> i take off old dead naze
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2015-12-23T23:21:22 < kakimir> are those FGs locked to certain group of stm32 mcus+
2015-12-23T23:21:30 < kakimir> by design
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2015-12-23T23:22:04 < kakimir> having certain peripherals in certain way and so on
2015-12-23T23:22:50 < upgrdman__> fg == ?
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2015-12-23T23:23:41 < kakimir> FC
2015-12-23T23:23:52 < upgrdman__> fc == ?
2015-12-23T23:24:04 < kakimir> flight controller
2015-12-23T23:24:10 < upgrdman__> k
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2015-12-23T23:51:09 < kakimir> what is best place to order small pcbs?
2015-12-23T23:51:40 < kakimir> ohspark?
2015-12-23T23:51:52 < kakimir> everything small seems to be purple
2015-12-23T23:53:15 < kakimir> i wouldn't
2015-12-23T23:53:39 < kakimir> 5$ sq.in. +3boards
2015-12-23T23:53:42 < kakimir> nice
2015-12-23T23:54:53 < kakimir> 2
2015-12-23T23:55:03 < kakimir> hmm
2015-12-23T23:55:09 < kakimir> I would do 4layer of this
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2015-12-24T00:05:16 < kakimir> I need comparator with reference VINmax>9volts, nanopower and inexpensive
2015-12-24T00:05:23 < kakimir> recommends?
2015-12-24T00:05:29 < kakimir> lt1440 so far
2015-12-24T00:05:53 < kakimir> little bit weight on price there 3-4usd piece
2015-12-24T00:07:14 < kakimir> also small
2015-12-24T00:07:20 < kakimir> it has to be
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2015-12-24T00:11:20 < fenugrec> tlc372 ?
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2015-12-24T00:13:47 < kakimir> VINmax condition is not met
2015-12-24T00:16:53 < kakimir> i need 2 levels so I go with NCS3402
2015-12-24T00:17:08 < kakimir> little bit big so8 but there is really no option
2015-12-24T00:17:52 < kakimir> 2 smaller packages with seperate supply lines and stuff would be in size equal
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2015-12-24T00:20:57 < karlp> +2 for shpongle
2015-12-24T00:21:40 < karlp> Fleck: rewolff what is this "gdb macro count to print" thing?
2015-12-24T00:22:24 < Fleck> gdb macro to print mem range
2015-12-24T00:22:43 < Fleck> helped a lot to debug registers here
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2015-12-24T00:31:04 < karlp> Fleck: what is it?
2015-12-24T00:31:17 < karlp> you know you can do x@y notation in gdb right?
2015-12-24T00:31:24 < Fleck> I don't understand the q. :)
2015-12-24T00:31:28 < karlp> the macro...
2015-12-24T00:32:19 < Fleck> :/
2015-12-24T00:32:49 < Fleck> with that macro I can print range of mem...
2015-12-24T00:33:01 < karlp> he gave you some cool macro, can you share it please? I don't see the link rewolf shared with you?
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2015-12-24T00:33:12 < karlp> I was curious what it was that was so cool
2015-12-24T00:33:17 < Fleck> ahh ok sec
2015-12-24T00:33:27 < Fleck> now I understand the question :D
2015-12-24T00:36:49 < Fleck> meh can't find link, let me check logs ;D
2015-12-24T00:37:30 < Fleck> http://prive.bitwizard.nl/mod.gdb
2015-12-24T00:37:44 < Fleck> karlp: ^^
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2015-12-24T00:40:03 < karlp> and the usage?
2015-12-24T00:40:21 < karlp> print some_ptr@some_length works out of the box, if you didn't know...
2015-12-24T00:40:36 < karlp> and take sthe usual / modifieers for width and format
2015-12-24T00:42:29 < Fleck> mod <addr> is the usage
2015-12-24T00:45:51 < Fleck> (gdb) p 0xA0000000@100
2015-12-24T00:45:51 < Fleck> Only values in memory can be extended with '@'.
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2015-12-24T00:46:20 < Fleck> http://pastebin.com/MGGtZQ7a
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2015-12-24T00:51:50 < zyp> as opposed to values where?
2015-12-24T00:53:18 < Fleck> zyp: that's gdb response
2015-12-24T00:53:26 < zyp> Fleck, that looks equivalent to «x/25wx 0xa0000000»
2015-12-24T00:53:30 < zyp> no?
2015-12-24T00:53:50 < Fleck> yep
2015-12-24T00:54:13 < zyp> so what's the point?
2015-12-24T00:54:26 < zyp> am I missing something, or are you just not aware of the examine command?
2015-12-24T00:54:41 < zyp> (x is shorthand for examine)
2015-12-24T00:54:50 < Fleck> no point
2015-12-24T00:56:33 < karlp> or, I guess rewolff should be made aware of x? it's his script originaally?
2015-12-24T01:01:20 < zyp> why check gdb documentation for useful commands when you can just reimplement them yourself? ;)
2015-12-24T01:02:16 < Fleck> right? ;D
2015-12-24T01:09:09 < Laurenceb_> https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScbjI_IAK4fb-pF3GbB_P4W79Ln1RymERwlAjPl6CxP6fv8koKRQ
2015-12-24T01:13:15 < Steffanx> <Laurenceb_> lame and old
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2015-12-24T01:41:40 < Fleck> https://twitter.com/despair/status/679136039303278593
2015-12-24T01:49:01 < kakimir> I integrate big buzzer inside bottom wing panel
2015-12-24T01:49:08 < kakimir> so its big
2015-12-24T01:49:15 < kakimir> and out of way
2015-12-24T01:49:52 < kakimir> just connect pair of wires that power square wave circuit placed inside the wing
2015-12-24T01:51:36 < kakimir> and another end of it is connected to buck board and also to one of servo channels have on/off function for locator bep
2015-12-24T01:51:39 < kakimir> beep
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2015-12-24T02:02:02 < kakimir> as there is switching side
2015-12-24T02:02:15 < kakimir> and side with constant voltage level
2015-12-24T02:02:39 < kakimir> maybe I have resistor in switching side
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2015-12-24T03:34:31 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/tyRIGkt.gifv
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2015-12-24T03:41:00 < jadew> any ideas on where to buy screws from in europe?
2015-12-24T03:41:32 < jadew> his pants fell off
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2015-12-24T03:43:05 < upgrdman> jadew, im not in europe, but don't you guys have "hardware stores" ?
2015-12-24T03:43:18 < jadew> upgrdman, I can't find the screws I need anywhere
2015-12-24T03:43:29 < upgrdman> what size do you need
2015-12-24T03:43:38 < jadew> M2.5 x 6 oval head
2015-12-24T03:43:46 < jadew> black
2015-12-24T03:43:46 < upgrdman> go to hobby shop
2015-12-24T03:43:59 < upgrdman> 2.5mm is somewhat common on smaller RC cars
2015-12-24T03:43:59 < jadew> I couldn't find them on farnell
2015-12-24T03:44:06 < jadew> can't find them on TME either
2015-12-24T03:44:15 < jadew> I'll check, but so far I had very little luck
2015-12-24T03:45:06 < upgrdman> do you want them in .eu because of shipping cost?
2015-12-24T03:45:13 < upgrdman> cause china is cheap as fuck if you arent in a rush
2015-12-24T03:45:14 < jadew> yeah
2015-12-24T03:45:17 < jadew> or china
2015-12-24T03:45:23 < jadew> but I couldn't find them in china either
2015-12-24T03:45:28 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw#/media/File:Screw_head_types.svg
2015-12-24T03:45:32 < jadew> I need the f
2015-12-24T03:46:09 < upgrdman> oh ya, oval head.
2015-12-24T03:46:10 < upgrdman> fuck
2015-12-24T03:46:17 < upgrdman> i dont think i've ever seen oval head 2.5mm
2015-12-24T03:46:29 < upgrdman> countersunk ok?
2015-12-24T03:46:32 < jadew> yeah
2015-12-24T03:46:39 < upgrdman> machine or wood threads
2015-12-24T03:46:50 < jadew> machine
2015-12-24T03:47:08 < upgrdman> hobbyking has lots of 2.5x8. no 2.5x6 machine
2015-12-24T03:47:15 < upgrdman> dremel to length ok?
2015-12-24T03:47:20 < jadew> nah...
2015-12-24T03:47:24 < jadew> too many missing
2015-12-24T03:47:32 < upgrdman> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18256__2_5x8mm_Countersunk_Screw_10pcs_pack_.html
2015-12-24T03:47:48 < jadew> oh, that's flat
2015-12-24T03:48:02 < upgrdman> ya :/
2015-12-24T03:48:14 < fenugrec> you might be able to find old HDDs or phones with tons of small metric fasteners
2015-12-24T03:48:46 < jadew> fenugrec, that would be a very big phone if it used M2.5 screws :)
2015-12-24T03:49:03 < fenugrec> older phones maybe... like mine : )
2015-12-24T03:49:15 < upgrdman> nokia IED phones maybe :)
2015-12-24T03:50:49 < jadew> so... the guy who tried to repair this before it got to me lost 8 of the 9 screws :/
2015-12-24T03:50:58 < jadew> and used random ones he had in the shop
2015-12-24T03:51:17 < jadew> that's from the case alone
2015-12-24T03:51:23 < fenugrec> bahaha
2015-12-24T03:51:36 < upgrdman> jadew, what is your item?
2015-12-24T03:51:39 < jadew> from inside, he managed to break one that was holding a PCB and lost another one (out of 5 screws)
2015-12-24T03:51:44 < fenugrec> can you find a broken identical item and steal the screws ?
2015-12-24T03:51:49 < jadew> a radio
2015-12-24T03:52:04 < jadew> fenugrec, it would be too expensive
2015-12-24T03:52:44 < jadew> anyway, I can find other screws that work, but I wanted to make it look like it was intended
2015-12-24T03:52:45 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/0zskl3Q.gifv
2015-12-24T03:53:17 < fenugrec> At least you're not in America, where it seems nobody ever heard of the metric system, and replace M* fasteners with "oh this seems to fit" bullshit imperial fasteners
2015-12-24T03:53:39 < jadew> heh
2015-12-24T03:53:45 < upgrdman> ya that pisses me off too
2015-12-24T03:54:02 < upgrdman> or worse, when something is DESIGN with both metric and imperial screws.
2015-12-24T03:54:12 < upgrdman> because fuck you, i guess
2015-12-24T03:54:30 < jadew> heh
2015-12-24T03:55:02 < jadew> luckly I don't get to open up a lot of stuff, I got this one for fun, to get some practice
2015-12-24T03:56:13 < Getty> it is so funny how much more "options" the voice dubbers can do
2015-12-24T03:56:18 < jadew> there were some changes made to it, but I'm not sure if it's from the factory or not: http://dumb.ro/files/bodges.jpg
2015-12-24T03:56:37 < jadew> one of the issues was in that part of the circuit
2015-12-24T03:56:52 < Getty> the guy from the shield who is also in dexters last season has so totally different voices
2015-12-24T03:57:00 < fenugrec> oh the guy has a microscope ? hah. Those resistors with tubes are probably factory mods
2015-12-24T03:57:10 < jadew> no, that's mine
2015-12-24T03:57:15 < jadew> I took that picture
2015-12-24T03:57:27 < fenugrec> I know, "the guy" was you
2015-12-24T03:57:29 < jadew> fenugrec, yeah, that's what I thought
2015-12-24T03:57:48 < Getty> jadew: http://i.imgur.com/9bdrBSl.gif
2015-12-24T03:58:02 < jadew> although I found a bodge that didn't make sense
2015-12-24T03:58:03 < Getty> couldnt resist ;)
2015-12-24T03:58:07 < fenugrec> jadew I've had good luck calling local distributors with specialist fastener catalogs. Although shopping for that on a 24th of december, you're pretty much "screwed"
2015-12-24T03:58:21 < jadew> a trace that was cut and then re-connected with a wire from a different point
2015-12-24T03:58:37 < jadew> Getty heh
2015-12-24T03:58:49 < jadew> ah, I don't care when they arrive
2015-12-24T03:59:05 < emeb_mac> GargantuaSauce: listening to that Spongle again - looked up the quotes from Terrence McKenna. Dude was out there.
2015-12-24T04:00:45 < fenugrec> jadew what's wrong with the radio
2015-12-24T04:01:23 < jadew> fenugrec, apparently it wasn't transmitting, I don't have a dummy load yet to test it, but I will in a bit
2015-12-24T04:01:30 < jadew> what I found was a shorted opamp tho
2015-12-24T04:01:49 < jadew> in the TX section
2015-12-24T04:01:50 < fenugrec> the opamp might have killed something else too
2015-12-24T04:01:58 < jadew> yeah
2015-12-24T04:02:06 < jadew> I don't know yet if I fixed it
2015-12-24T04:02:23 < fenugrec> okok. what is it, UHF handheld ?
2015-12-24T04:02:23 < jadew> but at least that part of the circuitry seems to operate properly now
2015-12-24T04:02:36 < jadew> Yaesu FT-100
2015-12-24T04:02:42 < jadew> all band
2015-12-24T04:02:44 < jadew> all band
2015-12-24T04:02:45 < jadew> s
2015-12-24T04:02:47 < fenugrec> oooh so you have schems and everything !
2015-12-24T04:02:52 < fenugrec> should be a walk in the park
2015-12-24T04:02:53 < jadew> yeah
2015-12-24T04:03:00 < fenugrec> in a manner of speaking of course
2015-12-24T04:03:24 < jadew> it was easier than I expected so far
2015-12-24T04:04:17 < jadew> however, now that I can listen to the ham bands... it's kinda borring
2015-12-24T04:04:23 < jadew> nothing like what I was expecting
2015-12-24T04:04:45 < jadew> a bunch of people trying to make contact mostly
2015-12-24T04:04:59 < fenugrec> what where you expecting p)
2015-12-24T04:05:19 < jadew> I don't know... random interesting discussions
2015-12-24T04:05:38 < fenugrec> you'd have to listen in on a "net"
2015-12-24T04:05:56 < jadew> what's a net?
2015-12-24T04:06:09 < fenugrec> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_net
2015-12-24T04:06:41 < fenugrec> some of them can be technical
2015-12-24T04:06:55 < emeb_mac> mostly just rag-chewing tho
2015-12-24T04:07:23 < jadew> fenugrec, I see
2015-12-24T04:08:00 < jadew> yeah, I found it more interesting to listen to the airport communications
2015-12-24T04:08:16 < jadew> at least I understood what they were saying
2015-12-24T04:08:27 < jadew> "Hello Bucharest, this is flight whatever..."
2015-12-24T04:08:50 < fenugrec> hahah
2015-12-24T04:09:02 < jadew> while on the ham bands all I hear is "Zulu five V I P" QRP QSO KZO
2015-12-24T04:09:25 < jadew> whatever those guys are saying
2015-12-24T04:09:28 < jadew> I don't know what it means
2015-12-24T04:09:35 < emeb_mac> I was listening in on some 20m SSB nets a while back - was all pretty understandable.
2015-12-24T04:10:15 < jadew> emeb_mac, all I heard were a bunch of 3 letter acronyms
2015-12-24T04:10:24 < jadew> and the occasional "and have a merry christmas!"
2015-12-24T04:10:30 < emeb_mac> heh
2015-12-24T04:10:48 < emeb_mac> guess it just depends on what crowd you're listening to
2015-12-24T04:10:57 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/UOa18aw
2015-12-24T04:13:01 < ds2> QRP - portable low power contact requested
2015-12-24T04:13:21 < jadew> ah ha!
2015-12-24T04:13:42 < jadew> I knew they were trying to make contact
2015-12-24T04:13:55 < jadew> it's for the cards, right?
2015-12-24T04:14:55 < ds2> maybe...
2015-12-24T04:15:05 < ds2> or they are in a contest to see who to make more contacts
2015-12-24T04:15:17 < ds2> or they are doing stuff like WAS (Work All States)
2015-12-24T04:15:35 < ds2> QSOis the contact part. QRP just refers to low power/portable
2015-12-24T04:15:56 < ds2> like 50mW for cross the globe (TTL xtal OSC + filter and antenna)
2015-12-24T04:17:04 < jadew> you can talk across the globe on 50 mW?
2015-12-24T04:17:38 < fenugrec> you can moon bounce with a few W p-)
2015-12-24T04:17:44 < upgrdman> ideal use case for nitro rc car engines:  http://i.imgur.com/0Ck1OGh.gifv
2015-12-24T04:17:47 < emeb_mac> if you've got good antennas and good propagation
2015-12-24T04:17:57 < jadew> damn, that's impressive
2015-12-24T04:18:11 < ds2> yep
2015-12-24T04:18:19 < ds2> CW, not voice
2015-12-24T04:18:45 < jadew> that's cool
2015-12-24T04:22:10 < ds2> emeb_mac: 1 sec of data takes 4 seconds to process on a 2.6GHz i5 processor!
2015-12-24T04:22:22 < emeb_mac> ds2: oops
2015-12-24T04:22:29 < emeb_mac> need to optimize!
2015-12-24T04:22:56 < ds2> non realtime processing :D
2015-12-24T04:23:11 < emeb_mac> it's like going back in time!
2015-12-24T04:23:47 < ds2> going to try to convert it to Fixed point
2015-12-24T04:24:04 < emeb_mac> or single-precision
2015-12-24T04:24:13 < upgrdman> needs moar wire  https://www.facebook.com/Cisco.Learning/photos/a.260944149427.183929.6826109427/10154380049799428/?type=3&theater
2015-12-24T04:24:16 < Laurenceb_> http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19660027976.pdf
2015-12-24T04:24:21 < Laurenceb_> spacex == rekt
2015-12-24T04:24:47 < emeb_mac> I've managed to do a fair bit of SDR work using 32-bit floats. On cortex M4F those (mostly) are single-cycle.
2015-12-24T04:24:50 < Laurenceb_> that thing is literally 50 times better than their system
2015-12-24T04:24:57 < ds2> already changed all the double's to floats
2015-12-24T04:25:27 < emeb_mac> ds2: are you still computing sin/cos or have you switched to a LUT?
2015-12-24T04:25:30 < ds2> how fast are you sampling at on the M4?
2015-12-24T04:25:55 < emeb_mac> just audio rates  - all the high-rate stuff is done in FPGA or analog
2015-12-24T04:26:12 < ds2> emeb_mac: still computing it but that isn't really the hot spot - I can disable cos/sin and it reduces run time by about 1- 1.5 seconds
2015-12-24T04:26:19 < ds2> ah... I am doing high rate stuff in SW
2015-12-24T04:26:32 < emeb_mac> yes
2015-12-24T04:27:01 < ds2> what do you do first after sampling?
2015-12-24T04:27:19 < ds2> shift signal to 0 or or decimate?
2015-12-24T04:27:33 < emeb_mac> in the FPGA?
2015-12-24T04:27:46 < emeb_mac> I tune from IF to BB, then filter / decimate
2015-12-24T04:28:30 < ds2> single decimation stage?
2015-12-24T04:28:53 < upgrdman> nice keyboard  https://i.sli.mg/PTiflN.png
2015-12-24T04:28:59 < emeb_mac> 4th-order CIC + decimating FIR
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2015-12-24T04:29:29 < ds2> Hmmmmmm that might help
2015-12-24T04:29:39 < emeb_mac> FIR has selectable bandwidth & 80dB stop-bands
2015-12-24T04:29:48 < ds2> I am doing FIR then boxcar decimate
2015-12-24T04:30:08 < ds2> 80dB?! wow.. I am looking at 40db fir's
2015-12-24T04:30:25 < ds2> learning that firs are expensive
2015-12-24T04:30:31 < emeb_mac> yep - helps a lot with selectivity near strong signals.
2015-12-24T04:30:45 < emeb_mac> FIRs aren't expensive if you put them in the right place.
2015-12-24T04:31:03 < emeb_mac> the one I use runs at a lower sample rate so it only needs one multiply
2015-12-24T04:31:10 < ds2> moving from a 65 to 45 order FIR shaved almost a second
2015-12-24T04:31:12 < emeb_mac> has like 300 taps
2015-12-24T04:32:09 < ds2> think I'll try a decimating fir
2015-12-24T04:32:34 < ds2> or maybe a circular FIR implementation
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2015-12-24T04:33:53 < ds2> a noncircular
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2015-12-24T04:37:50 < emeb_mac> main thing to do for optimization is to use your simplest operations at the high rates.
2015-12-24T04:38:17 < emeb_mac> so do the boxcar decimator first to get the rate down, then apply more complex filters at the lower rate
2015-12-24T04:38:24 < ds2> that is easier said then done
2015-12-24T04:38:45 < ds2> the boxcar decimator doesn't filter sufficiently to not get aliasing
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2015-12-24T04:39:03 < ds2> hence the need to FIR it and FIR is expensive
2015-12-24T04:42:14 < emeb_mac> heh
2015-12-24T04:42:21 < emeb_mac> there's a trick to that
2015-12-24T04:43:18 < emeb_mac> a boxcar will have aliasing, but it's confined to a region that's away from the center of the band
2015-12-24T04:44:05 < emeb_mac> so you pick the filter order and decimation rate so that the aliases are outside the bandwidth you want to see.
2015-12-24T04:44:29 < emeb_mac> then use the slower FIR to discard those aliases and leave only the clean region in the center of the band
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2015-12-24T04:59:20 < ds2> hmmm
2015-12-24T04:59:53 < ds2> I did notice it was largely on the outter edge. is that always the case?
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2015-12-24T05:07:49 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/bMHn4TH.gifv
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2015-12-24T05:14:02 < upgrdman> lolwut http://i1.wp.com/knuckledraggin.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/calfornian-hamster.gif
2015-12-24T05:14:38 < ReadError> loool
2015-12-24T05:15:05 < GargantuaSauce> ive seen the gif before but the title makes it a lot better
2015-12-24T05:17:55 < emeb_mac> ds2: yes, usually
2015-12-24T05:25:46 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/plZnVQZ lol
2015-12-24T05:28:01 < ds2> wow
2015-12-24T05:28:28 < ds2> removing that FIR doesn't change the output spectrum much but cuts the run time down to like 0.3sec for a 1sec data
2015-12-24T05:29:05 < Laurenceb_> oh god thats nightmare fuel
2015-12-24T05:29:15 < ds2> things still hairy but now there is room to do a better FIR
2015-12-24T05:34:23 < ds2> if this works the PRU can shift to BB and decimate
2015-12-24T05:41:06 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8dDbbotHms&feature=youtu.be
2015-12-24T05:41:09 < ReadError> holy shit
2015-12-24T05:41:28 < ReadError> oh wait, fake
2015-12-24T05:44:06 < emeb_mac> ds2: run the tuning and initial decimation in the PRU?
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2015-12-24T05:52:27 < ds2> emeb_mac: yes
2015-12-24T05:52:41 < emeb_mac> ds2: neat
2015-12-24T05:52:46 < ds2> tuning is the NCO - I need to look at it in detail for confirm complexity
2015-12-24T05:52:54 < ds2> decimation is easy enough
2015-12-24T05:53:02 < emeb_mac> don't know much about the capability of the PRU, but if it has a multiplier then you should be OK
2015-12-24T05:53:11 < ds2> maybe PRU0 samples; and PRU1 does the work.
2015-12-24T05:53:23 < ds2> there is a MAC on the PRU
2015-12-24T05:53:33 < emeb_mac> Handy!
2015-12-24T05:53:52 < ds2> that way I can start with an 8Msps and just feed 512Ksps to the ARM
2015-12-24T05:54:11 < emeb_mac> That would work
2015-12-24T05:54:33 < emeb_mac> Does the PRU have enough address space for a sin/cos table?
2015-12-24T05:54:45 < ds2> it has 8K of RAM
2015-12-24T05:54:54 < ds2> I think that is enough based on your comments last night
2015-12-24T05:55:04 < emeb_mac> hmm...
2015-12-24T05:55:12 < ds2> btw - a dumb lookup table for sin/cos is a LOT worse the the glibc sin/cos implementation
2015-12-24T05:55:20 < ds2> factor of 4 worse
2015-12-24T05:55:28 < emeb_mac> how so?
2015-12-24T05:55:55 < ds2> i created a table index by radians; each call to cos/sin does a search of that table for the value
2015-12-24T05:56:08 < emeb_mac> gah - no searching
2015-12-24T05:56:19 < emeb_mac> just direct mapping
2015-12-24T05:56:31 < ds2> after mod'ing by 2PI and figuring out the quad. (table is 0-PI/2)
2015-12-24T05:56:41 < ds2> will have to look at that in detail
2015-12-24T05:57:14 < emeb_mac> easiest (dumbest) approach is no reflection - just load the table with a full cycle of sine/cosine
2015-12-24T05:57:29 < ds2> but then the table is variable length, right?
2015-12-24T05:57:37 < emeb_mac> that's fast - no additional math needed. just index into the table.
2015-12-24T05:57:43 < emeb_mac> fixed length.
2015-12-24T05:57:55 < emeb_mac> 1k - 16k depending on how much resolution you want
2015-12-24T05:58:12 < emeb_mac> quantize radians to table length and index the table
2015-12-24T05:58:16 < ds2> I don't see how I can keep the table const length for different frequencies
2015-12-24T05:58:28 < emeb_mac> then you don't understand how an NCO works.
2015-12-24T05:58:38 < ds2> prehaps, that's why I need to look at it in detail
2015-12-24T05:58:46 < emeb_mac> good idea.
2015-12-24T05:58:54 < ds2> best way to understand it is to work out the math
2015-12-24T05:59:21 < ds2> it is kind of the point of this entire exercise - start from basic principles and work up
2015-12-24T05:59:48 < ds2> the only odd thing I am seeing so far is SSB and AM demod seem to work jsut as well on an AM signal
2015-12-24T05:59:49 < emeb_mac> here's a quick thought experiment: imagine an 8-bit register. successively add 1 to it.
2015-12-24T06:00:10 < emeb_mac> that gives you a ramp from 0-255, at which point it wraps.
2015-12-24T06:00:20 < ds2> a sawtooth
2015-12-24T06:00:36 < emeb_mac> use that as an index into a table with 256 entries of full cycle sinewave
2015-12-24T06:00:45 < emeb_mac> now you've turned the sawtooth into a sine
2015-12-24T06:01:08 < ds2> DDS
2015-12-24T06:01:09 < emeb_mac> if you always add 1 then you get a certain frequency
2015-12-24T06:01:21 < emeb_mac> now what happens if you add 2? you get double the frequency
2015-12-24T06:01:36 < emeb_mac> if you add 3 then you get triple the base freq
2015-12-24T06:01:51 < ds2> dinner, bbiab
2015-12-24T06:01:54 < emeb_mac> kk
2015-12-24T06:06:54 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/NUCLEO-F746ZG/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvt1VFuCspEMrMRnD30RBzD70T%252bbCISK7k%3d
2015-12-24T06:07:00 < ReadError> 23 dollhairs
2015-12-24T06:08:12 < emeb_mac> non-stocked
2015-12-24T06:08:25 < emeb_mac> not a bad price though
2015-12-24T06:08:34 < emeb_mac> wonder how long until they're available
2015-12-24T06:09:01 < emeb_mac> I got some 746 parts from Future a few months back - built a little board with them.
2015-12-24T06:09:19 < emeb_mac> they had a great intro price - $10/ea so I got 3x
2015-12-24T06:09:41 < ReadError> imagine pretty soon
2015-12-24T06:09:49 < ReadError> seen the pic?
2015-12-24T06:09:55 < emeb_mac> nope
2015-12-24T06:09:57 < emeb_mac> where?
2015-12-24T06:10:17 < ReadError> http://www.carminenoviello.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/nucleo_144_large.jpg
2015-12-24T06:10:28 < ReadError> thats the new 'board' they are using
2015-12-24T06:10:35 < ReadError> ethernet and user usb
2015-12-24T06:11:03 < emeb_mac> yup
2015-12-24T06:11:14 < emeb_mac> 144-pin pkg too
2015-12-24T06:11:40 < ReadError> ya they have the f429 and some others coming out
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2015-12-24T06:16:28 < emeb_mac> Be good to get one of those. I've got the F7 Disco - it's cool but there's so much crap on it that it's not easy to do random stuff with it.
2015-12-24T06:16:40 < Bright> woah, nucleo with ethernet
2015-12-24T06:16:58 < Bright> i have an f302 nucleo that i mosely use for the stlink :D
2015-12-24T06:18:22 < emeb_mac> heh - lately that's all I use my discos for
2015-12-24T06:21:06 < upgrdman> fwiw, you get can get stlink2 clones for <$4, and they smaller and prettier
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2015-12-24T06:21:36 < upgrdman> i used to use this before buying the clones   http://www.farrellf.com/temp/stlink_chopped_pcb.jpg
2015-12-24T06:22:39 < emeb_mac> the new nucleos also have a serial/usb port in addition to the stlink
2015-12-24T06:22:44 < emeb_mac> kinda nice
2015-12-24T06:22:56 < upgrdman> orly. cool.
2015-12-24T06:23:43 < emeb_mac> handy for hooking to an stm32 usart for runtime info
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2015-12-24T06:32:30 < ReadError> i broke the stlink off a nucleo
2015-12-24T06:32:47 < ReadError> have the jlink now, so much quicker
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2015-12-24T06:39:50 < emeb_mac> I mostly use my BMP2 these days.
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2015-12-24T06:41:28 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/mscLdhB
2015-12-24T06:42:07 < emeb_mac> 'murica. fuck yeah.
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2015-12-24T06:43:31 < ReadError> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/south-florida-man-accidentally-shoots-video-chat-article-1.2474959
2015-12-24T06:43:33 < ReadError> FLORIDA
2015-12-24T06:44:20 < emeb_mac> https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan
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2015-12-24T06:49:42 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/dph9K.jpg
2015-12-24T06:51:47 < Getty> ok dexter ending was not as bad as people told
2015-12-24T06:53:22 < ds2> back
2015-12-24T06:53:36 < ds2> I think there is a nomenclature barrier to understanding of the NCO
2015-12-24T06:53:55 < emeb_mac> ds2: oh? what's that?
2015-12-24T06:54:15 < ds2> what you started describing is related to passage of time
2015-12-24T06:54:23 < ds2> whereas the normal term describes phase
2015-12-24T06:54:37 < ds2> kind of like a 1/x relationship (not explaining it right)
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2015-12-24T06:55:36 < ds2> so if I digest that little bit you mentioned earlier -
2015-12-24T06:56:07 < ds2> I select tuning not by frequency but by amount to increment through the table; but to compute that, I need to do a reciprical operation
2015-12-24T06:56:13 < ds2> does that seem right?
2015-12-24T06:56:19 < emeb_mac> hmmm
2015-12-24T06:56:46 < emeb_mac> the value used to increment through the table is proportional to frequency of the output you want
2015-12-24T06:56:59 < emeb_mac> so it's not really a reciprocal
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2015-12-24T06:58:01 < emeb_mac> the equation is: increment = 2^(wordsize) * LO frequency / sample rate
2015-12-24T06:59:46 < emeb_mac> where wordsize is the number of bits in the NCO phase register
2015-12-24T07:00:09 < ds2> so there is a lower limit w/o putting in special case code to duplicate output values?
2015-12-24T07:01:07 < ds2> IOW, inc = tablesize * desirefreq / samplerate; desirefreq and sample rate in Hz
2015-12-24T07:01:13 < emeb_mac> yes - if you want a smaller lower limit then you add bits to the word
2015-12-24T07:02:45 < ds2> and to generate better output, one would figure a way to add the fractional part back in every time it accumulates enough to add in?
2015-12-24T07:02:55 < ds2> factional part of the index
2015-12-24T07:06:31 < emeb_mac> yeah - that's easy. just make the LUT bigger and use more lsbs from the NCO phase reg
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2015-12-24T07:24:12 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://i1.wp.com/knuckledraggin.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/calfornian-hamster.gif
2015-12-24T07:24:33 < upgrdman> and http://i.imgur.com/bMHn4TH.gifv
2015-12-24T07:25:31 < upgrdman> i'll try harder :(
2015-12-24T07:25:49 < PeterM> upgrdman, what is the dude using in the second gif as a mirror are they harddrive platters?
2015-12-24T07:26:03 < upgrdman> ya looks like it
2015-12-24T07:26:16 < upgrdman> must be a bored IT guy
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2015-12-24T08:32:42 < upgrdman> now i want some in-n-out :/  http://imgur.com/UYSKl8i
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2015-12-24T08:39:47 < GargantuaSauce> a bit of the old in and out
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2015-12-24T08:48:44 < upgrdman> fuck. the only mic i have is some old stereo mic meant to plug into a sound card mic input. my laptop wont recognize it as a mic if i plug it into the combo headphone/mic jack.
2015-12-24T08:49:10 < bloated> upgrdman: it doesn't have a GUI where you can manually set it as a mic ?
2015-12-24T08:49:23 < upgrdman> afaik, no.
2015-12-24T08:49:33 < bloated> usually they do
2015-12-24T08:49:45 < bloated> unless you're using lunix or similar retarded shit
2015-12-24T08:49:53 < upgrdman> there's mic settings, but it just says no mic is plugged into combo port. and my speakers turn off, so i think it driving my mic as if theyre headphones :/
2015-12-24T08:49:58 < upgrdman> no, win10
2015-12-24T08:50:41 < bloated> is it a dynamic mic ?
2015-12-24T08:50:49 < upgrdman> fuck if i know.
2015-12-24T08:51:05 < bloated> stick it in your ear and see if you can hear anything
2015-12-24T08:51:07 < upgrdman> it's a cheap ass stereo mic that came with a motherboard i bought in the late 90's or early 00's
2015-12-24T08:52:25 < upgrdman> i hear nothing
2015-12-24T08:54:01 < ReadError> macbook?
2015-12-24T08:54:12 < upgrdman> surface bro 4
2015-12-24T08:56:11 < ReadError> ahh okay i know some macbooks do dumb shit with input
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2015-12-24T10:30:51 < upgrdman> R2COM, was that re: me? im selling my fagbook. this bro4 is working out great.
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2015-12-24T10:51:02 < upgrdman> lol. super pro monitor stand:   http://imgur.com/gallery/FSihg
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2015-12-24T10:53:58 < eddiorov> hi
2015-12-24T10:54:16 < upgrdman> hi
2015-12-24T10:58:28 < eddiorov> i'm having problems with the spi bidirectional receive and thought this might be the place to ask
2015-12-24T10:58:54 < upgrdman> sure. ask a question and if anyone has ideas, we'll chime in.
2015-12-24T10:59:38 < eddiorov> so after setting BIDIOE i poll RXNE and directly afterwards disable BIDIOE, but still i have an additional 8 clock cycles on the bus afterwards
2015-12-24T11:00:23 < upgrdman> what mcu?
2015-12-24T11:00:27 < eddiorov> according to the reference manual i cannot poll BSY (i already tried because desperation)
2015-12-24T11:00:33 < eddiorov> STM32L052something
2015-12-24T11:01:07 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-12-24T11:01:32 < upgrdman> so your using the mcu as the spi master, and you're trying to find out exactly when spi has finished clocking stuff out?
2015-12-24T11:02:51 < eddiorov> in the end i only want to read n bytes, not n+1, but at the moment this is the issue, yes
2015-12-24T11:03:54 < eddiorov> it appears the SPE is only apploed after a whole byte has been transmitted, and somehow i miss the correct timing to disable reception for the next frame
2015-12-24T11:04:59 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-12-24T11:05:26 < upgrdman> i have not used the l0, but here's some code i wrote for the f0:
2015-12-24T11:05:35 < eddiorov> i did not find any documentation on how the bidirectional read is supposed to be used
2015-12-24T11:05:36 < upgrdman> https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_spi.c?ts=4#L39
2015-12-24T11:05:59 < upgrdman> i had no problems with polling for rxne
2015-12-24T11:06:08 < upgrdman> oh: common mistake: c order of operations
2015-12-24T11:06:21 < upgrdman> while((spi->SR & SPI_SR_RXNE) == 0);
2015-12-24T11:06:37 < upgrdman> note the () around foo & bar... that's important
2015-12-24T11:08:36 < eddiorov> it appears you are using full duplex mode there, which is quite different from bidirectional (half-duplex, one data line) mode
2015-12-24T11:08:53 < upgrdman> oh shit ya. oops.
2015-12-24T11:09:12 < upgrdman> i havn't tried half-duplex mode
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2015-12-24T11:44:33 < upgrdman> heh http://imgur.com/zUTYCCH
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2015-12-24T12:23:39 < dongs> sup stoners
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2015-12-24T13:11:13 < Steffann> Nothing i guess.
2015-12-24T13:11:43 < Steffann> Is it xmas yet dongs?
2015-12-24T13:12:34 < Steffann> Oh no, it still today in jappyland
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2015-12-24T13:32:42 < jadew> upgrdman, I went for the flat countersunk screws in the end
2015-12-24T13:33:05 < jadew> hopefully, they won't look too bad
2015-12-24T13:33:31 < jadew> no comma
2015-12-24T13:36:53 < dongs> japs dont xmas anyway
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2015-12-24T14:57:48 < jadew> if anyone wondered about this, regular SPDT switch closed: http://dumb.ro/screenshot/H2vrN.png
2015-12-24T14:57:51 < jadew> not bad!
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2015-12-24T14:58:28 < jadew> however, this is when it's opened http://dumb.ro/screenshot/oBJLV.png
2015-12-24T14:59:26 < jadew> I guess they're good for HF, but not much after that
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2015-12-24T15:05:51 < Steffann> but who does HF through a button?
2015-12-24T15:07:57 < GargantuaSauce> welp, better scrap my plans for a microwave morse key
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2015-12-24T16:51:53 < ReadMobl> http://imgur.com/a/02Wrx
2015-12-24T16:51:57 < ReadMobl> top one seem fake?
2015-12-24T16:52:11 < ReadMobl> ive not seen one w/o the 2 'dimples'
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2015-12-24T16:54:26 < ReadMobl> and the ARM engraving looks pretty bootleg
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2015-12-24T17:07:57 < Steffann> The 407 on my disco has no 2nd "dimple" either, but has the arm logo somewhere else.
2015-12-24T17:08:03 < Steffann> ( i know this is a 405)
2015-12-24T17:08:49 < ReadError> guess i just need to try it, seemed different
2015-12-24T17:09:10 < kakimir> ReadError: bottom one had quite thin ARM logo
2015-12-24T17:09:26 < ReadError> bottom one is 100% legit
2015-12-24T17:10:01 < kakimir> logo looks poor
2015-12-24T17:10:12 < kakimir> ARM should be like.. beefy
2015-12-24T17:10:40 < kakimir> not something typed with sans
2015-12-24T17:11:49 < Steffann> Also some characters are slightly different compared to others ReadError
2015-12-24T17:12:04 < Steffann> Like the 0, in 405 is slight smaller on yours. Same as the T
2015-12-24T17:12:59 < kakimir> https://www.arm.com/about/trademarks/limited-use-of-arm-corporate-logo.php
2015-12-24T17:13:02 < Steffann> or just slighty less close the characters next to them
2015-12-24T17:13:16 < kakimir> hmm it's actually thinner I thought it was
2015-12-24T17:14:35 < Steffann> Whats the source of the chip anyway, ReadError ? Ebay? Aliexpress?
2015-12-24T17:14:57 < dongs> its legit, thats how the new flip factory markings are
2015-12-24T17:15:09 < ReadError> yea ali
2015-12-24T17:15:18 < dongs> they're different in different factory
2015-12-24T17:17:39 < ReadMobl> I guess its new-ish silicon, the others i have are Z
2015-12-24T17:21:07 < ReadError> aug 2015
2015-12-24T17:21:19 < Steffann> 2 and Y are newest.
2015-12-24T17:21:32 < Steffann> sure? It was added to the errata in jan. 2015
2015-12-24T17:21:48 < ReadError> date code is 534
2015-12-24T17:22:23 < Steffann> oh you meant production date?
2015-12-24T17:22:27 < ReadError> ya
2015-12-24T17:23:11 < ReadError> need to put these things outside to air out, can taste china almost just the smell
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2015-12-24T17:28:48 < Getty> Hoe Hoe Hoe! Merry Xmas!
2015-12-24T17:35:28 < kakimir> is it in germany today or 25. ?
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2015-12-24T17:39:45 < Getty> well we german celebrate on 24. normally
2015-12-24T17:39:54 < Getty> in the evening there are present, big food and everything
2015-12-24T17:40:13 < Getty> on 25/26 we are normally on the road to rest of the family, traditional wise
2015-12-24T17:40:18 < Getty> luckily i dont have anybody to visit hrhr
2015-12-24T17:40:27 < Getty> so 25 and 26 is drinking in my home
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2015-12-24T17:41:26 < kakimir> same thing than here
2015-12-24T17:42:02 < Getty> kakimir: where was it you are from?
2015-12-24T17:42:12 < kakimir> FI
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2015-12-24T17:42:36 < Getty> i am still fascinated by the fact that the americans evolved such a different timeplanning on this
2015-12-24T17:42:43 < kakimir> 25. is drinking day
2015-12-24T17:42:53 < Getty> presents on the 25th morning...... what is this? torture?
2015-12-24T17:44:13 < kakimir> maybe there was some practical reason
2015-12-24T17:44:21 < Getty> yeah torture for the children
2015-12-24T17:44:53 < kakimir> or that santa is actually pagan figure so it may not ruin children to see living pagan deities
2015-12-24T17:44:53 < Getty> they fuck on education, they fuck on healthcare for their kids so its just a small step to torture your children on xmas ;-)
2015-12-24T17:45:52 < Getty> pagan is not that bad, we just need to sacrify 9 people every year
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2015-12-24T17:47:21 < kakimir> how is celeron55 your christmas?
2015-12-24T17:47:38 < Getty> asking yoda does
2015-12-24T17:49:17 < celeron55> quite like that; some food and some presents today and nothing else really
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2015-12-24T17:49:46 < dongs> Hardware Development:
2015-12-24T17:49:46 < dongs> In the previous update we mentioned about architectural change of the main processor to the ARM® Cortex®-M4, as the 16-bit processor was not enough for input data processing and maintenance of the full functionality of the device.
2015-12-24T17:49:50 < dongs> Also we are updating schematic due to changes in the microcontroller. In particular SRAM was added, because of FreeRTOS.
2015-12-24T17:49:53 < dongs> ^ RITOT
2015-12-24T17:50:02 < dongs> they're adding SRAM to some F4 package
2015-12-24T17:50:04 < dongs> "because freertos"
2015-12-24T17:50:14 < kakimir> I'm hungry
2015-12-24T17:50:17 < Getty> lol
2015-12-24T17:50:22 < dongs> As the main processor we have selected STM32F4, based on ARM® Cortex®-M4 core.
2015-12-24T17:52:01 < kakimir> there is salmon and ham and oven simmered potato mash
2015-12-24T17:52:11 < kakimir> wine and beer
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2015-12-24T17:53:34 < kakimir> karelia pasty
2015-12-24T17:54:25 < Getty> steak and scotch eggs.... thats what i get
2015-12-24T17:56:52 < kakimir> the thing is to have pork ham
2015-12-24T17:57:01 < kakimir> not turkey
2015-12-24T17:57:15 < Getty> i think turkey is pretty rare on xmas outside of america ;)
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2015-12-24T17:57:33 < kakimir> do they have turkey on every occasion?
2015-12-24T17:57:48 < Getty> i think so.....
2015-12-24T17:57:54 < Getty> and if no turkey then its hamburger
2015-12-24T17:57:58 < Getty> i think that covers 100%
2015-12-24T18:00:44 < Getty> and always reminding of good german culture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPJlyRv_IGI ;) https://gist.github.com/tinnefeld/2324599
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2015-12-24T18:16:41 < Getty> you guys need to get awake! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04F4xlWSFh0 ;)
2015-12-24T18:24:26 < emeb> Wow - I didn't realize that Cortex M4 was a 16-bit processor.
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2015-12-24T18:26:42 < gxti> it's a paid upgrade, usually only 12 bits
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2015-12-24T18:29:54 < emeb> Florida Man: http://www.news3lv.com/content/news/story/Man-time-travel-plows-car-Florida-businesses/jXd1LwskvEKEKuVVlkj8Gg.cspx
2015-12-24T18:32:45 < englishman> i like the german tradition of a goose stuffed with pork
2015-12-24T18:32:55 < englishman> happy holidays, white people
2015-12-24T18:37:54 < emeb> Bwa-ha-ha... cfriedt now has been infected with STM32 disease.
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2015-12-24T20:42:38 < BrainDamage> http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperDownload.aspx?paperID=43229
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2015-12-24T20:52:10 < kakimir> it warms to have some cash money once a year
2015-12-24T20:53:50 < ReadError> 'wat'
2015-12-24T20:54:01 < ReadError> ur just gonna blow it all on SMAs and VIAS
2015-12-24T20:54:34 < kakimir> I have SMAs
2015-12-24T20:54:48 < kakimir> I need to get new thing going on
2015-12-24T20:56:11 < celeron55> i actually just ordered a pcb for kakimir that doesn't have any SMAs
2015-12-24T20:56:33 < gxti> no SMAs = waste of time
2015-12-24T20:57:41 < celeron55> yeah i probably should have checked before placing the order; these are obviously useless
2015-12-24T20:58:40 < celeron55> maybe an SMA breakout board for this can be designed
2015-12-24T20:58:47 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKaGpmZVRSRDlnTFU/view?usp=sharing this
2015-12-24T20:59:14 < kakimir> basically have no vias nether
2015-12-24T20:59:21 < kakimir> there was no room
2015-12-24T21:00:47 < kakimir> I think it's cute
2015-12-24T21:01:48 < ReadError> looks boring
2015-12-24T21:02:24 < ReadError> hardly any LEDs
2015-12-24T21:03:31 < kakimir> 1
2015-12-24T21:03:46 < kakimir> power indicator
2015-12-24T21:04:03 < kakimir> above DCDC
2015-12-24T21:05:12 < ReadError> yea, hardly any
2015-12-24T21:05:51 < kakimir> good to have one isolated ADC
2015-12-24T21:06:00 < kakimir> slow one
2015-12-24T21:13:46 < kakimir> this one goes into welding inventer
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2015-12-24T21:18:46 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-VrQnDzD/0/X2/CA_12241513145130-X2.jpg
2015-12-24T21:18:52 < ReadError> went ghettofab today
2015-12-24T21:21:09 < kakimir> nice
2015-12-24T21:25:36 < kakimir> how unsporty it is to have computer aided launch to discus launch glider?
2015-12-24T21:26:33 < kakimir> so I have flymode switch that initialize launch control and leave radio to ground
2015-12-24T21:27:12 < kakimir> and then throw it without radio
2015-12-24T21:28:19 < kakimir> and it would automatically optimize slope with airspeed sensor and gyrocompass
2015-12-24T21:29:00 < kakimir> after which it levels itself just in the right spot
2015-12-24T21:29:09 < kakimir> to leave optimal airspeed
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2015-12-24T21:32:09 < kakimir> it would count rate in which kinetic energy is converted into potential energy and find point where kinetic energy approaches certain number
2015-12-24T21:32:27 < kakimir> and something
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2015-12-24T21:35:19 < kakimir> initializes negative roll in way where acceleration downwards would be equal to something like G or slightly less to keep airfoil in some efficient area
2015-12-24T21:38:34 < upgrdman> ReadError, whatcha making
2015-12-24T21:40:43 < ReadError> simple little adapter board for these stepper drivers
2015-12-24T21:41:40 < ReadError> should be good enough to work
2015-12-24T21:43:57 < PaulFertser> A question to C++ pros here: I tried Boost.ASIO today and was sort of discouraged by the mess that a chain of async handlers made in my code. Am I not supposed to compose them in monadic way with something like do-notation?
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2015-12-24T21:51:39 < Laurenceb_> dongs spotted https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/68/ed/32/68ed32621b62d1336c7bdd1811dd4bdf.jpg
2015-12-24T22:03:42 < upgrdman> lol
2015-12-24T22:05:24 < upgrdman> spotted Laurenceb_ https://cdn1.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/091/453/large/xingxing-zhou-orc.jpg?1443932024
2015-12-24T22:05:51 < GargantuaSauce> it's called callback hell for a reason PaulFertser
2015-12-24T22:07:40 < GargantuaSauce> that is the canonical way to do it, but it pretty invariably ends up being a mess regardless of language or framework
2015-12-24T22:16:02 < kakimir> I think I will build 300Amp lineal regulator connected to welding machine
2015-12-24T22:19:27 < PaulFertser> GargantuaSauce: what about monadic way? I thought it's common and works nicely for stuff like that? E.g. I've used Parsec and it seemed to be very nice and readable.
2015-12-24T22:26:41 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDu1S-MMClw cool plane
2015-12-24T22:40:45 < Getty> those shooting scenes in star trek are always the best
2015-12-24T22:41:00 < Getty> its like they didnt even tried to make it better over the years
2015-12-24T23:06:28 < trepidacious> PaulFertser: A for comprehension will look neater than nested callbacks definitely
2015-12-24T23:07:16 < upgrdman> found r2com https://i.imgur.com/8KamRXS.gif
2015-12-24T23:07:30 < upgrdman> ^nsfw
2015-12-24T23:08:49 < PaulFertser> trepidacious: do you mean something particular that can be used with ASIO when I need to implement a protocol that requires me to write some stuff, then read some stuff, then read some more, then write some more etc?
2015-12-24T23:10:11 < PaulFertser> trepidacious: and I can get a response timeout on any of that stages, so the handler would be called with an error telling me the action was cancelled.
2015-12-24T23:12:01 < trepidacious> trepidacious: I'm not sure what it looks like in C, but in many functional programming languages you can produce something equivalent to nested callbacks using a for comprehension, so that something like a().callback(function(aval){b(aval).callback(function(bval){...})) becomes something like for {aval <- a; bval <- b(a); ...}
2015-12-24T23:12:21 < upgrdman> lolol http://i.imgur.com/Uhsx5UJ.gifv
2015-12-24T23:12:31 < trepidacious> This definitely looks much neater, although it's not quite the same as just having a "normal" imperative program
2015-12-24T23:12:50 < PaulFertser> "There is another, even more attractive programming model that’s been proposed for C++, Resumable Functions, which makes asynchronous code look more like sequential code. This is based on a trick that’s well known to Haskell programmers in the form of the “do” notation." sigh...
2015-12-24T23:13:07 < trepidacious> PaulFertser: Code like that can also handle errors/exceptions quite neatly
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2015-12-24T23:13:28 < upgrdman> justice  http://i.imgur.com/zDicteJ.gifv
2015-12-24T23:13:43 < trepidacious> PaulFertser: Subsequent stages are only evaluated if earlier stages return actual results (normally - you can use the approach different ways)
2015-12-24T23:14:08 < zyp> PaulFertser, coroutines in C++ would be pretty awesome
2015-12-24T23:14:09 < trepidacious> "Resumable functions" is a stupid name for it BTW, it's just monads and a for-comprehension or do-notation
2015-12-24T23:14:29 < trepidacious> Maybe there is some reason resumable functions is a good name though, I don't know
2015-12-24T23:14:35 < PaulFertser> trepidacious: not sure what you mean by "for comprehensions", I know "generators" (haskell list comprehensions) but that's about it.
2015-12-24T23:14:40 < trepidacious> Probably just want to avoid saying "monad" and scaring people
2015-12-24T23:15:05 < zyp> trepidacious, for a function to be resumable, it must be pausable, which means its stack frame can't be located on the stack
2015-12-24T23:15:06 < trepidacious> PaulFertser: It's just one term for the syntax that makes it easier to use monads
2015-12-24T23:15:18 < PaulFertser> zyp: so what am I missing when I'm looking at ASIO and getting scared by a bunch of seemingly unrelated callbacks mentioning each other?
2015-12-24T23:15:32 < PaulFertser> trepidacious: I know haskell do notation
2015-12-24T23:15:33 < zyp> what do you mean?
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2015-12-24T23:15:42 < zyp> ASIO is a callback passing model
2015-12-24T23:15:58 < zyp> which is less readable than a coroutine-based model
2015-12-24T23:16:02 < trepidacious> zyp: I guess stack can be a problem yup, you tend to end up with a lot of stack use, although that can be mitigated with tail recursion I think
2015-12-24T23:16:31 < trepidacious> PaulFertser: for-comprehensions are just haskell do notation as far as I know - it's the scala term, I thought it was more generally used but it might not be
2015-12-24T23:16:56 < zyp> http://www.tornadoweb.org/en/stable/gen.html <- here's a good example of how you can make async code more readable with coroutines
2015-12-24T23:16:57 < PaulFertser> zyp: e.g. this: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_60_0/doc/html/boost_asio/example/cpp03/timeouts/async_tcp_client.cpp seems horrible
2015-12-24T23:17:27 < zyp> PaulFertser, check that link
2015-12-24T23:17:43 < PaulFertser> trepidacious: heh, I have learnt some Scala on Coursera, got 100/100 and have forgotten all of it by now :)
2015-12-24T23:18:14 < PaulFertser> zyp: but what does it mean in practice? I just needed to write a program implementing a simple enough protocol to talk to devices via serial line.
2015-12-24T23:18:34 < qyx> uh oh
2015-12-24T23:19:00 < qyx> I have never seen a python asio lib which was actually usable
2015-12-24T23:19:14 < PaulFertser> I'm talking about Boost::ASIO, not python.
2015-12-24T23:19:16 < zyp> PaulFertser, it means that you can write async code as if it were blocking, because the function is paused until the result is ready, and then it's resumed
2015-12-24T23:19:38 < zyp> C++ needs support for resumable functions before you can do the same there
2015-12-24T23:19:40 < PaulFertser> I wanted something that can be easily compiled on a random single-board computer.
2015-12-24T23:19:43 < zyp> qyx, tornado is pretty good
2015-12-24T23:19:51 < qyx> PaulFertser: it was just a comment on zyp's link, which was python
2015-12-24T23:20:12 < PaulFertser> zyp: that's cool stuff indeed but what about C++? :)
2015-12-24T23:20:42 < zyp> PaulFertser, when C++ gets resumable functions
2015-12-24T23:21:35 < PaulFertser> zyp: and what's the current practical approach? Just a bunch of callbacks like in that ASIO example?
2015-12-24T23:21:57 < zyp> that's one
2015-12-24T23:22:31 < zyp> ASIO is built on callback passing style, which means every async functions takes a callback
2015-12-24T23:22:54 < zyp> and then you have multithreading, which can be a hassle to sync
2015-12-24T23:23:01 < PaulFertser> I've spent a day implementing that app I needed, guess I learnt that by now ;)
2015-12-24T23:24:03 < PaulFertser> Probably I should have used all blocking read/write operations and handled timeouts in another thread and killed the i/o thread on timeout?
2015-12-24T23:25:16 < zyp> sounds painful
2015-12-24T23:25:27 < zyp> ASIO model is not bad actually
2015-12-24T23:25:38 < zyp> and with RAII it's a nice way to handle resources and shit
2015-12-24T23:26:41 < PaulFertser> When I was trying to understand and properly combine monad transformers in Haskell it was kinda hard but it was fun too. This Boost ASIO is not easy either, but for some reason I couldn't enjoy using it.
2015-12-24T23:27:35 < PaulFertser> Yes, with modern C++ RAII started to shine, no doubts.
2015-12-24T23:28:23 < zyp> well, the thing is, you can bind up smart pointers to the callbacks, so all resources are bound to whatever will handle them
2015-12-24T23:28:50 < zyp> and once the callback pointer goes out of scope and gets deallocated, the resources would too, unless they're passed on to something else that needs them
2015-12-24T23:29:56 < PaulFertser> That's RAII, indeed. Plus boost::bind and std::function and native lambdas. All that makes C++ much more expressive.
2015-12-24T23:30:36 < zyp> yeah
2015-12-24T23:30:46 < zyp> isn't it std::bind now?
2015-12-24T23:31:15 < zyp> when I used ASIO last, it was still boost::bind and boost::function, and lambdas didn't exist yet
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2015-12-24T23:33:45 < PaulFertser> Seems boost::bind is different, probably more power, not sure.
2015-12-24T23:34:18 < upgrdman> lol http://gfycat.com/BeneficialSingleCurassow
2015-12-24T23:36:09 < GargantuaSauce> PaulFertser sorry was unclear, i meant to say languages where the functional paradigm has been shoehorned in
2015-12-24T23:39:29 < GargantuaSauce> my android stuff has nested anonymous classes 4-5 deep for that sort of operation, it's wonderful
2015-12-24T23:51:42 < GargantuaSauce> i wanna try erlang sometime
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2015-12-25T00:17:19 < Chris_M> Is there a known problem where the debugger cannot step through the setup of a GPIOA pin on an stm32 because the SWDIO and SWDCLK are also on that same port?
2015-12-25T00:17:44 < zyp> no, not unless you change those pins
2015-12-25T00:20:02 < Chris_M> thanks zyp. I wonder why updating pin 2 of the moder register would cause this when pins 13 and 14 are not changing.
2015-12-25T00:21:12 < zyp> are you doing it in a silly way?
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2015-12-25T00:24:08 < Chris_M> Its occuring in the GPIO_Init function of std perh lib, so I assume this is a well tested method.
2015-12-25T00:27:09 < fenugrec> hahaha
2015-12-25T00:31:53 < zyp> heh
2015-12-25T00:31:54 < zyp> :)
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2015-12-25T01:31:32 < upgrdman> calculating the RMS error of a simulated ADC. would it be better to consider the zero-order hold or first-order hold of the ADC output? thinking first-order would be more reasonable.
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2015-12-25T02:17:34 < dongs> haha
2015-12-25T02:17:37 < dongs> @ gpio_init
2015-12-25T02:17:42 < dongs> but yeah it shouldnt be breaking stuff there.
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2015-12-25T03:32:39 < kakimir> http://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/2-31324-46477/usb_input.jpg?01AD=33zaOKdzxzAsD-Nzi5_nw9O7sF-H_RQOEc0Hn8xv7Ow7_4nCSnZ3vQw&01RI=5E931D600304621&01NA=na this is interesting
2015-12-25T03:33:35 < kakimir> that is novel way to do it
2015-12-25T03:34:14 < kakimir> I have seen rc circuits with buffer chips that control charge resistor passby
2015-12-25T03:34:17 < kakimir> fet
2015-12-25T03:35:12 < kakimir> but I don't want any loss in form of current somewhere in circuit
2015-12-25T03:36:39 < Getty> half wiener half pitbull..... http://i.imgur.com/BKoNaXR.jpg
2015-12-25T03:36:55 < kakimir> total killer
2015-12-25T03:36:59 < kakimir> is that germany?
2015-12-25T03:37:08 < Getty> dont know, but could be for sure
2015-12-25T03:37:15 < Getty> everyone here has a dog
2015-12-25T03:38:11 < kakimir> looks like yankeeland
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2015-12-25T03:43:11 < upgrdman> tv says Hallmark Channel
2015-12-25T03:43:14 < upgrdman> prolly usa
2015-12-25T03:55:53 < upgrdman> typical jap vending machine:  http://i.imgur.com/144SIIu.gif
2015-12-25T03:57:14 < Getty> expected squid vending machine - very disappointed
2015-12-25T03:58:47 < kakimir> dongs explain
2015-12-25T03:58:50 < kakimir> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__19968__FrSky_D8R_XP_2_4Ghz_Receiver_w_telemetry_CPPM_.html 100mA
2015-12-25T03:59:07 < kakimir> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idproduct=24788 60mA
2015-12-25T03:59:19 < kakimir> same features
2015-12-25T03:59:52 < kakimir> modes, ranges, resolution, linear regulator propably the same
2015-12-25T04:00:17 < kakimir> both have telemetry and
2015-12-25T04:00:22 < kakimir> cppm
2015-12-25T04:01:07 < upgrdman> cheaper one just has heatshrink case?
2015-12-25T04:01:19 < upgrdman> other one has some molded plastic gay shit
2015-12-25T04:01:38 < upgrdman> also 4ch vs 8ch
2015-12-25T04:01:45 < kakimir> heatshrink wins all the times
2015-12-25T04:01:54 < kakimir> CPPM those channels anyway?
2015-12-25T04:02:10 < upgrdman> fuck if i know
2015-12-25T04:02:36 < kakimir> I think it can handle more than those 4channels in cppm
2015-12-25T04:02:45 < kakimir> that is what I just read - shit
2015-12-25T04:02:58 < kakimir> has basically enough room for 6channel?
2015-12-25T04:04:02 < kakimir> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/why-frsky-cppm-signal-is-so-disappointing
2015-12-25T04:04:12 < kakimir> okay so they made frame size go up
2015-12-25T04:04:22 < kakimir> and no probs
2015-12-25T04:08:09 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/tbAKAOu.gif
2015-12-25T04:10:29 < dongs> kakimir: different mcu
2015-12-25T04:10:55 < dongs> stm32 in the big one afaik, stm8 in the d4r
2015-12-25T04:17:51 < kakimir> that is cool
2015-12-25T04:18:00 < kakimir> stm32 sucks so to say?
2015-12-25T04:18:23 < kakimir> I thought cortex was the killer by now
2015-12-25T04:18:52 < kakimir> in terms of wattage in such medium intensity task
2015-12-25T04:20:16 < dongs> they dont need any power there
2015-12-25T04:20:22 < dongs> they're just using hardware timers and simple code.
2015-12-25T04:20:29 < dongs> and wahtever stuff to control the clonerf chip.
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2015-12-25T04:20:38 < dongs> doesnt need to do any math etc
2015-12-25T04:20:40 < dongs> stm8 is plenty
2015-12-25T04:22:03 < kakimir> they were lazeyh
2015-12-25T04:22:18 < kakimir> and left stm32 running at full speed all time
2015-12-25T04:22:58 < kakimir> such cunt thing to do
2015-12-25T04:26:22 < kakimir> but dont they use cc2xxx 2.4ghz ism tranceiver mcus?
2015-12-25T04:26:36 < kakimir> one without telemetry has such
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2015-12-25T04:26:53 < kakimir> iirc
2015-12-25T04:26:56 < dongs> oh yeah one of their things was also CC2500
2015-12-25T04:27:01 < dongs> others were stm8, others tm32
2015-12-25T04:27:25 < kakimir> if that 2x2 chip near antenna is not rf then
2015-12-25T04:27:34 < dongs> its a switch
2015-12-25T04:27:38 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-25T04:27:43 < dongs> rx/tx
2015-12-25T04:27:56 < dongs> for same antenna
2015-12-25T04:28:00 < kakimir> so why dont they just use cc2500 all the time
2015-12-25T04:28:08 < dongs> becuase
2015-12-25T04:28:36 < kakimir> and this cc2500 one doesn't have telemetry connection but it has modes supported
2015-12-25T04:29:09 < dongs> ur modes are supported
2015-12-25T04:29:58 < kakimir> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__14350__FrSky_V8FR_II_2_4Ghz_8CH_Receiver_HV_.html this
2015-12-25T04:30:13 < dongs> i have that
2015-12-25T04:30:14 < dongs> what's inside?
2015-12-25T04:30:43 < kakimir> cant see properly thru heatshrink
2015-12-25T04:30:56 < kakimir> but iirc cc2500
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2015-12-25T04:54:43 < englishman> kakimir: check date of that blog
2015-12-25T04:54:46 < englishman> Old as fuck
2015-12-25T04:54:56 < englishman> Shit has moved on, but frsky still sucks
2015-12-25T04:55:04 < dongs> that blog is retarded anyway
2015-12-25T04:55:15 < dongs> nobody in normal sitaution would ever have that problem anyway
2015-12-25T04:55:21 < englishman> Vseries died years ago too
2015-12-25T04:55:39 < englishman> Right, only ardupilot tards
2015-12-25T04:58:30 < dongs> new microusb and minidp footprints confirmed
2015-12-25T04:58:35 < dongs> fits purrfectly
2015-12-25T04:58:46 < dongs> and i can solder both of htem without pth soldering
2015-12-25T04:58:57 < dongs> minidp 'throughhole' pins dont even reach to bottom of pcb
2015-12-25T04:59:05 < dongs> so im pretty sure its designed for paste reflow
2015-12-25T04:59:22 < dongs> dump paste over through-holes and call it done
2015-12-25T04:59:27 < dongs> like i do for microusb mounting
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2015-12-25T05:12:41 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz1aTLBKIoQ tesla of bike world
2015-12-25T05:14:23 < dongs> doesnt jay leno run some unfunny american talk shit
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2015-12-25T05:23:28 < kakimir> rest time>
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2015-12-25T06:15:47 < dongs> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=566284#c24
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2015-12-25T06:19:01 < ReadError> why is chromium on a code.google still
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2015-12-25T07:38:32 < upgrdman> any ltspice pros awake? is it possible to use the value of something as a parameter? e.g. i want one resistor to be half the value of some other resistor
2015-12-25T07:51:24 < upgrdman> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-2#/media/File%3AEPFL_CRAY-II_2.jpg
2015-12-25T08:01:07 < upgrdman> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-2#/media/File%3ACray-2_module_side_view.jpg
2015-12-25T08:20:47 < Getty> i bet if we would have replicator and beaming the first thing someone will make is an automatic xmas decorator/dedecorator
2015-12-25T08:20:57 < Getty> (next to inventing the word dedecorator)
2015-12-25T08:33:42 < bloated> do SSDs have a serial terminal like the one on HDDs ?
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2015-12-25T09:14:32 < PaulFertser> dongs is the new way to say hoo ray!
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2015-12-25T09:16:16 < upgrdman> too much alcohol for paul
2015-12-25T09:19:11 < ReadError> https://i.imgur.com/fa0E6Kq.jpg
2015-12-25T09:19:53 < ReadError> PaulFertser trippin listenin to shpongle
2015-12-25T09:21:59 < PaulFertser> In fact, I'd like to have some weed but it's not available here at work, and I do not want it when I'm anywhere else. Guess I should consider myself lucky.
2015-12-25T09:28:04 < ReadError> need a little spice, big hit and hang with the elves
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2015-12-25T09:58:48 < upgrdman> got my delta sigma adc sim program mostly working. yay. http://www.farrellf.com/temp/delta_sigma_adc_simulation.png
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2015-12-25T10:27:42 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AprjLbdWhVw PaulFertser
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2015-12-25T11:25:32 < upgrdman> ^ that song is kinda neat. what category is this? "chill"?
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2015-12-25T11:56:18 < dongs> sup stoners
2015-12-25T11:57:18 < dongs> upgrading dixus7 to 6.0.1
2015-12-25T11:57:21 < celeron55> upgrdman: discogs.com says "Psy-Trance, Dub, Downtempo, Breaks, Ambient"
2015-12-25T11:57:23 < dongs> will likely be shit
2015-12-25T11:57:29 < dongs> yeah that sounds like trancey shit
2015-12-25T11:57:31 < dongs> but too slow and shitty
2015-12-25T11:57:32 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-25T11:58:18 < celeron55> (that for the full album though; i don't think "dub" applies to this track at all; maybe the others do)
2015-12-25T11:58:22 < celeron55> that's*
2015-12-25T11:58:45 < dongs> 'dumb' does tho
2015-12-25T11:58:51 < dongs> hHuahaeuaeHUAEuhaeuhauhhuaehueauhahu
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2015-12-25T12:16:18 < upgrdman> typical santa  http://imgur.com/fEvgtUu
2015-12-25T12:21:03 < upgrdman> also http://imgur.com/OSMRK5O
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2015-12-25T12:22:58 < Tectu> dongs, ping
2015-12-25T12:25:13 < dongs> dong
2015-12-25T12:26:00 < dongs> remsg.
2015-12-25T12:26:08 < dongs> im protecting from aids
2015-12-25T12:29:58 < ReadError> is that what oh6 meant by you cutting off 'normal mode of communications' ??
2015-12-25T12:31:43 < Tectu> dongs, wanted to ask you for a long time... what camcorder do you use?
2015-12-25T12:31:56 < dongs> er, probly nothign you'd want
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2015-12-25T12:32:23 < dongs> i had ag-hmc150 and earlier this year upgraded to HC-X1000
2015-12-25T12:35:29 < Tectu> dongs, what are the advantages of a camcorder compared to a mirrorless (full frame) camera?
2015-12-25T12:35:57 < Tectu> dongs, HC-X1000 looks like serious equipment. I guess you´re not just doing youtube videos then?
2015-12-25T12:44:39 < Sync> he doesn't want his youtube trolling videos to be shit
2015-12-25T12:45:25 < dongs> Tectu: oyu should just get a $50 thing and be done wiht it
2015-12-25T12:45:55 < dongs> like any ~2015 point in shoot that can also do video
2015-12-25T12:47:15 < fbs> oh shit, Tectu and dongs
2015-12-25T12:47:45 < Tectu> dongs, thanks
2015-12-25T12:47:50 < Tectu> fbs, no worries, we got this
2015-12-25T12:47:51 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/Canon-0278C004-VIXIA-HF-R62/dp/B00RKNNWUA/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
2015-12-25T12:48:10 < fbs> Tectu: ofc, no worries
2015-12-25T12:48:14 < dongs> get it while its on sale for 50% off
2015-12-25T12:48:50 < dongs> you could zoom way teh fuck into your pcb troll projects
2015-12-25T12:49:17 < dongs> im running defrag.exe on a SSD
2015-12-25T12:49:21 < dongs> because it told me i should run it
2015-12-25T12:49:24 < Tectu> dongs, I´m first gonna check whether my Sony A7 II gets the job done for videos. I was just wondering the other day why one would buy a camcorder in case of you got a camera like that
2015-12-25T12:50:15 < dongs> er if you already have a thing you dont need anyhting yes
2015-12-25T12:50:39 < dongs> lol especially if its $1700 as google says.
2015-12-25T12:51:15 < PeterM> dongle psshh like a s956 from fiuck yonks ago isnt good enuf
2015-12-25T12:51:29 < PeterM> s95 fuck
2015-12-25T12:52:02 < dongs> heh
2015-12-25T12:53:05 < PeterM> i am a /p/ag so i do have an a7s
2015-12-25T12:53:26 < PeterM> but still s95 is best camera >$200
2015-12-25T12:55:32 < Tectu> dongs, glad to hear that
2015-12-25T12:55:33 < Sync> dongs: it seems that the x1000 is noisy as fuck
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2015-12-25T12:56:21 < dongs> incorrect
2015-12-25T12:56:23 < dongs> its amazing in low light
2015-12-25T12:56:28 < dongs> i filmed some shit in tunnels in it
2015-12-25T12:56:31 < dongs> clear as fuck
2015-12-25T12:56:36 < dongs> in->with
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2015-12-25T12:59:39 < Sync> well, online reviews tell otherwise
2015-12-25T13:00:55 < dongs> possible. it works for what I use it for.
2015-12-25T13:01:08 < dongs> was def. improvement over HMC150
2015-12-25T13:01:27 < dongs> also since i almost never use in in 4GAY mode, i get sharper 1080piss cuz of 4K sensor + downscale
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2015-12-25T13:04:52 < Sync> goddamn sony SxS card cancer
2015-12-25T13:06:42 < dongs> just as bad as panasuck P2 shit
2015-12-25T13:08:29 < dongs> sony loves thier proprietary faggot media
2015-12-25T13:08:50 < dongs> jesus $270 for 32gb
2015-12-25T13:09:29 < Sync> ye
2015-12-25T13:09:35 < Sync> garbage
2015-12-25T13:09:49 < Sync> prob gonna buy a gh4
2015-12-25T13:09:58 < dongs> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/737242-REG/Sony_SBS_32G1A_SxS_1_G1A_32GB_Memory.html
2015-12-25T13:10:08 < dongs> 32gb, fastest you can write to it is 60mins @ HD422
2015-12-25T13:10:11 < dongs> thats 8.9meg/sec
2015-12-25T13:10:17 < dongs> why the fuck would it need 1.2gbps interface?!
2015-12-25T13:10:32 < Sync> because sony
2015-12-25T13:10:51 < Sync> and probably to recover the data
2015-12-25T13:11:47 < dongs> well u sppose
2015-12-25T13:11:52 < dongs> since its $270/card
2015-12-25T13:11:57 < dongs> you cant afford to have more than a couple
2015-12-25T13:12:03 < dongs> so you ened to be able to copy shit as fast as possible
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2015-12-25T13:12:31 < dongs> i  boutht 64gb sdxc class 3 or wahtever cards for whatever it was, cheap
2015-12-25T13:12:42 < dongs> i could probly buy like 10 of them for the price of that sony aids
2015-12-25T13:12:53 < dongs> er uhs-3 class
2015-12-25T13:12:59 < dongs> they write at like 80meg/sec
2015-12-25T13:13:14 < Sync> ye
2015-12-25T13:13:18 < Tectu> neat board: http://pcengines.ch/apu2b4.htm
2015-12-25T13:13:24 < Tectu> costs ~120 USD
2015-12-25T13:13:34 < Sync> idk what crack they are smoking
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2015-12-25T14:13:54 < dongs> sup
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2015-12-25T14:24:58 < Tectu> dongs bloggin hard these days?
2015-12-25T14:26:17 < dongs> ya
2015-12-25T14:26:20 < dongs> too busy chinamaning
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2015-12-25T14:43:23 < Steffanx> dont you have a chinagirl to do chinaman dongs?
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2015-12-25T15:11:58 < dongs> no
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2015-12-25T15:29:38 < zyp> maybe you should get some
2015-12-25T15:36:30 < kakimir> how many euros you could get one chinagirl full time?
2015-12-25T15:36:35 < kakimir> euros/day?
2015-12-25T15:36:50 < kakimir> one communist working for me
2015-12-25T15:55:36 < kakimir> should you even trust a communist
2015-12-25T16:02:06 < Getty> wow...... steam cant handle xmas
2015-12-25T16:02:27 < Steffanx> You do steam?
2015-12-25T16:02:49 < Getty> who doesnt?
2015-12-25T16:02:54 < Steffanx> me
2015-12-25T16:03:07 < Getty> you don't like gaming?
2015-12-25T16:03:40 < kakimir> always have enought shitty computer to not play anything
2015-12-25T16:03:50 < kakimir> save money and time
2015-12-25T16:03:56 < kakimir> and time
2015-12-25T16:03:58 < Getty> nah steam has also games for poor systems and so many free games
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2015-12-25T16:12:07 < dongs> i dont see altidong 16.0.6 fixign teh fucking through-hole via annoyance thing..
2015-12-25T16:12:07 < dongs> hmm
2015-12-25T16:12:10 < dongs> should I upgrade or nto
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2015-12-25T16:17:20 < Getty> oh chivalry is 90% down
2015-12-25T16:17:43 < Getty> if you want a real stressful gaming experience for real men, then this is your game :)
2015-12-25T16:18:07 < Getty> there is nothing more awesome as closed combat with real weapons on a battlefield :D
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2015-12-25T16:23:27 < dongs> 9545 Empty multi-line strings do not prevent file load in 16.0 anymore
2015-12-25T16:25:23 < qyx> lol
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2015-12-25T17:14:36 < Getty> so there is a new player in town ;) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pine64/pine-a64-first-15-64-bit-single-board-super-comput
2015-12-25T17:14:44 < Laurenceb_> happy christmas Muricans
2015-12-25T17:14:46 < Laurenceb_> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
2015-12-25T17:14:53 < Laurenceb_> enjoy your new president
2015-12-25T17:15:23 < Getty> Laurenceb_: he will still not win ;)
2015-12-25T17:15:37 < Getty> sadly, would be fun to watch! :D
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2015-12-25T17:16:39 < Laurenceb_> until he launches the nukes for the lulz
2015-12-25T17:16:51 < Laurenceb_> or more likely hands presidency over to his friend Hillary
2015-12-25T17:16:58 < Laurenceb_> who was paying him all along
2015-12-25T17:17:04 < Getty> lol
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2015-12-25T18:01:16 < englishman> Tectu: I have an a7r. But have never tried video. I think sound quality would be the worst part. And the dim screen.
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2015-12-25T18:41:09 < kakimir> guys
2015-12-25T18:41:33 < kakimir> MLCCs with switching regulators. any thoughts?
2015-12-25T18:42:19 < kakimir> is there need specifically to have electrolyte cap in output or so?
2015-12-25T18:42:44 < ReadError> eh i think i use 10 or 22uF
2015-12-25T18:42:53 < ReadError> ceramics
2015-12-25T18:43:09 < kakimir> no effects to stability?
2015-12-25T18:43:27 < ReadError> not that ive noticed
2015-12-25T18:43:32 < kakimir> MLCC has non-constant capacitance
2015-12-25T18:43:39 < kakimir> depending on voltage
2015-12-25T18:44:02 < ReadError> i rarely use SMAs though, not very pro
2015-12-25T18:44:38 < kakimir> that may cause something to sensitive control scheme to toggle too late or so
2015-12-25T18:44:50 < kakimir> I think
2015-12-25T18:45:16 < kakimir> then compensating it back and forth
2015-12-25T18:46:03 < ReadError> check the datasheet and look at ref schem?
2015-12-25T18:46:09 < ReadError> mfg knows best
2015-12-25T18:48:29 < kakimir> yes they recommend in this case ceramixs
2015-12-25T18:50:39 < kakimir> they have added note for MLCC dc bias heads up
2015-12-25T18:51:53 < kakimir> so isn't the capacitance valid in nominal voltage?
2015-12-25T18:56:30 < Lux> iirc it drops up to like 60-80% at the rated voltage
2015-12-25T18:56:41 < Lux> sadly it's pretty hard to get specs on that
2015-12-25T18:56:46 < kakimir> oh that way around
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2015-12-25T19:04:51 < kakimir> and that much
2015-12-25T19:05:39 < Lux> maybe 40-60%, but definetly something like that
2015-12-25T19:06:49 < Lux> shouldn't be too hard to measure tough, you just need a function gen with offset and a resistor + scope
2015-12-25T19:06:58 < kakimir> Stable without Cff (within recommended LC corner frequency range)
2015-12-25T19:07:06 < kakimir> I wonder what Cff means
2015-12-25T19:08:06 < kakimir> https://www.google.fi/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwimge3tv_fJAhVE_SwKHfPCAeQQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Flit%2Fan%2Fslva463a%2Fslva463a.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFsuiZQGm78AHHnx7MP-jssIgcUMQ&sig2=zx4B6ltqu0HejMU-0xnYGA
2015-12-25T19:08:12 < kakimir> whops sorry
2015-12-25T19:08:24 < kakimir> http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slva463a/slva463a.pdf this
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2015-12-25T19:14:25 < kakimir> C feed forward
2015-12-25T19:15:14 < kakimir> so other cap apart from filter one^?
2015-12-25T19:15:21 < kakimir> or LC filter one?
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2015-12-25T19:16:59 < kakimir> okay there is another note pdf for it
2015-12-25T19:18:04 < kakimir> http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slva466/slva466.pdf its connected to FB pin
2015-12-25T19:18:10 < kakimir> crazy
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2015-12-25T19:22:49 < kakimir> it makes it just slighty better
2015-12-25T19:23:53 < kakimir> okay there is internal 25pF one
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2015-12-25T21:23:49 < kakimir> beer can be sold here beween 0900 - 2100
2015-12-25T21:24:21 < kakimir> outside that time window only in restaurants to be consumed in place
2015-12-25T21:26:22 < kakimir> it's social state
2015-12-25T21:28:47 < kakimir> everything is under control
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2015-12-25T21:42:42 < Tectu> it´s to prevent terrorism, of course.
2015-12-25T21:43:14 < kakimir> it's to control shit
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2015-12-25T22:38:17 < ReadError> Hey Read,
2015-12-25T22:38:17 < ReadError> Never create a part again. Never have a footprint error again. How does that sound? This short video teaches you how to request verified parts from Upverter's Concierge.
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2015-12-25T22:56:31 < Steffanx> sounds perfect to me Read. Go for it.
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2015-12-26T00:15:04 < upgrdman> in ltspice, using one of the built in schmitt triggers, how do i adjust the hysteresis?
2015-12-26T00:46:30 < upgrdman> ahh found it. Vt for trip voltage and Vh for hysteresis voltage
2015-12-26T00:47:58 < upgrdman> ya found it. thanks bro.
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2015-12-26T00:54:42 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-26T00:54:53 < upgrdman> whats the third pin of the diff schmitt for?
2015-12-26T00:57:46 < upgrdman> R2COM, i need a comparator with adjust hysteresis. diffschmitbuf seems like the best choice?
2015-12-26T00:57:53 < upgrdman> its not working how i expect :/
2015-12-26T00:58:35 < upgrdman> yes
2015-12-26T00:58:43 < upgrdman> because im dumb
2015-12-26T00:59:06 < upgrdman> i need a comparator with adjustable hysteresis.
2015-12-26T00:59:18 < upgrdman> other than manually with positive feedback, is there a way?
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2015-12-26T01:01:09 < upgrdman> what i really need to model is an fpga lvds input :)
2015-12-26T01:06:08 < upgrdman> hmm
2015-12-26T01:06:43 < upgrdman> i think i'll be lazy and just model it as a comparator with hysteresis
2015-12-26T01:06:53 < upgrdman> this is just for a toy adc project
2015-12-26T01:08:56 < upgrdman> whats what a simple comparator with hys in ltspice?
2015-12-26T01:13:23 < upgrdman> how would i adjust hys of the lt6702? manually with positive feedback? might as well just use the UniversalOpAmp
2015-12-26T01:14:19 < upgrdman> looking at ds, pinout doesnt look like it has that
2015-12-26T01:18:04 < Steffanx> no beer, no steam.. damned xmas?
2015-12-26T01:19:10 < upgrdman> R2COM, lt6752 can only do up to 48mV hys :( i think my lvds inputs are 75mV hys
2015-12-26T01:19:20 < upgrdman> guess i'll do manual + feedback
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2015-12-26T01:22:56 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: the rms error, was it for the sigma delta adc?
2015-12-26T01:23:03 < upgrdman> ya
2015-12-26T01:23:53 < BrainDamage> the adc per se will have an uniform error, (LSB)^2/12 for sigma^2
2015-12-26T01:24:09 < BrainDamage> howrever, the feedback loop will operate something called "noise shaping"
2015-12-26T01:24:21 < BrainDamage> which will distribute it in an uneven way on the spectrum
2015-12-26T01:27:46 < upgrdman> ya
2015-12-26T01:27:54 < upgrdman> most of the noise is HF
2015-12-26T01:28:48 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, i have not gotten around to calcing the RMS error, but this is where i'm at now:
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2015-12-26T01:28:55 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/delta_sigma_adc_simulation.png
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2015-12-26T01:33:22 < BrainDamage> ok, i gave a glance on my notes, and for a 1st order sigma delta with a single pole in the Z transform you can approximate it as sigma^2 = LSB^2/12 * pi^2/3 * 1/OS^3
2015-12-26T01:33:54 < upgrdman> "OS" = ?
2015-12-26T01:34:00 < BrainDamage> oversampling ratio
2015-12-26T01:34:20 < BrainDamage> aka fsampling / fnyquist
2015-12-26T01:34:24 < upgrdman> ya
2015-12-26T01:34:43 < upgrdman> but doesnt your equation assume the feedback loop is properly tuned?
2015-12-26T01:35:04 < upgrdman> im not sure sure if my R/C values are nearly ideal. they look fine to the eye, but... :)
2015-12-26T01:35:56 < BrainDamage> adjust OS then
2015-12-26T01:36:03 < upgrdman> more importantly, what class would i learn this shit in? some "systems and signals" class on youtube?
2015-12-26T01:36:29 < Getty> one cop in germany gets killed, everybody goes crazy ;)
2015-12-26T01:36:42 < BrainDamage> i guess, that's where i had it explained in my univ, DSP course might explain it too
2015-12-26T01:36:49 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-26T01:37:59 < BrainDamage> it's not one of the basic topics tought
2015-12-26T01:40:35 < BrainDamage> make sure to read up on the pattern noise too
2015-12-26T01:40:41 < upgrdman> k
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2015-12-26T02:18:34 < Getty> yeah! minimum wage is again on the discussion table to be removed in germany..... just gotta love the "republicans" (well our variant of it hehe)
2015-12-26T02:19:00 < upgrdman> what is current min wage in .de?
2015-12-26T02:19:04 < superbia2> 800 eur
2015-12-26T02:19:15 < upgrdman> per month?
2015-12-26T02:21:17 < Sync> depends on where you work
2015-12-26T02:21:21 < Sync> and as what
2015-12-26T02:21:48 < upgrdman> ok, fast food cashier?
2015-12-26T02:22:10 < Sync> 0
2015-12-26T02:22:59 < Sync> but in usually around 8.5€/h
2015-12-26T02:23:43 < upgrdman> heh that's more than if so cal
2015-12-26T02:24:00 < upgrdman> but still kinda low
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2015-12-26T02:44:00 < Chris_M> anyone know what the inital pulse on the SDA line is? Is it some sort of delay pulse?  https://103.1.206.180/images/I2Cwrite.png
2015-12-26T02:52:15 < Getty> the actual minimum wage is not used that often as even before it was introduced nearly every union had a specific minimum wage that had to be paid
2015-12-26T02:52:28 < zyp> Chris_M, I bet it's you doing improper io init
2015-12-26T02:52:39 < Getty> i THINK the minimum wage overall is 8.5 as sync said, but we could be wrong, could be even lower
2015-12-26T02:52:43 < zyp> i.e. setting AF mode before selecting AF
2015-12-26T02:52:53 < upgrdman> Getty, is .de full of unions?
2015-12-26T02:52:56 < Getty> yes
2015-12-26T02:53:21 < Getty> you can say 100% coverage that would be a lie, as jobs who are like "modern" (IT for example) are not really covered with an union
2015-12-26T02:53:33 < Getty> but IF the jobfield has union then it covers 100% as one union
2015-12-26T02:53:43 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-26T02:53:44 < Getty> we have one union that is all for "service field" which is of course... wide wide
2015-12-26T02:53:56 < Getty> one that is for "industrial"
2015-12-26T02:54:02 < Getty> so you see already the "dimension" they take in
2015-12-26T02:54:08 < BrainDamage> onions*
2015-12-26T02:54:15 < Getty> hehe
2015-12-26T02:54:39 < Getty> but of course that also means they define 100% what is happening in that job field
2015-12-26T02:54:47 < Getty> as you cant fight them as employer
2015-12-26T02:55:05 < Getty> which is i think i good thing, given the gigantic dimensions they have they have to settle to something "all" expect
2015-12-26T02:55:10 < Getty> accept sorry
2015-12-26T02:55:49 < Getty> the concept of smaller unions scares me drastical, it always leads to unbalanced results
2015-12-26T02:57:39 < upgrdman> here in the us, unions are much smaller. i'm kinda torn on them. some are good, but it seems like most of the powerful ones demand unreasonable pay
2015-12-26T02:58:03 < Getty> yeah they are making it a competition
2015-12-26T02:58:16 < Getty> so its all about making "the best union" which produces the best results for their workers
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2015-12-26T02:58:40 < Chris_M> zyp: indeed, that was it. Thanks
2015-12-26T02:58:41 < Getty> while if there is just one union for your jobfield, you know this union cares about a long living jobfield, about long time security and happy employers
2015-12-26T02:59:11 < Getty> if i would tell you about our healthcare system you might get crazy ;)
2015-12-26T03:03:23 < upgrdman> i think the us should really be harder on employers that have most of their employees be part-time. when i used to work fast food or retail, that's mainly how they would fuck you over. give you few hours, and on top of it they wouldnt schedule you consistantly so working two jobs was near impossible.
2015-12-26T03:03:40 < Getty> yes that problem just doesnt exist here
2015-12-26T03:03:41 < upgrdman> something like big tax penalties if >20% of employees are part-time.
2015-12-26T03:03:48 < Getty> which is a prblem for small companies i must say
2015-12-26T03:03:56 < Getty> hiring a person cost you _A LOT_ for A LONG TIME
2015-12-26T03:04:13 < Getty> so making this "step" is always painful
2015-12-26T03:04:31 < Getty> and then.... you cant fire them at all
2015-12-26T03:04:44 < Getty> if you hire guy A and then hire guy B for the same job
2015-12-26T03:04:50 < Getty> and then you see that guy B is 10times better as guy A
2015-12-26T03:04:57 < Chris_M> zyp: I guess the note above the std_perph_lib function is wrong: "The pin should already been configured in Alternate Function mode(AF) using GPIO_InitStruct->GPIO_Mode = GPIO_Mode_AF"
2015-12-26T03:04:58 < Getty> then you _CANT FIRE_ guy A
2015-12-26T03:05:25 < Getty> that is like the most fucked up burden in german job market
2015-12-26T03:05:31 < zyp> Chris_M, yeah, that sounds dumb
2015-12-26T03:05:50 < zyp> select the channel first so you're not putting an unknown state on it
2015-12-26T03:05:58 < upgrdman> Getty, reminds me of the unions in us schools. so much dead weight working there. and they can't get rid of the shit employees.
2015-12-26T03:06:25 < Getty> same problem in german schools
2015-12-26T03:06:39 < Chris_M> zyp: makes sense, cheers
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2015-12-26T03:35:26 < kakimir> I need mems mirror 2direction one
2015-12-26T03:37:31 < kakimir> it's time to do some zanoism
2015-12-26T03:38:23 < kakimir> invest your money now
2015-12-26T03:44:18 < kakimir> http://mirrorcletech.com/pdf/MirrorcleTech_Device_Prices.pdf makes totally sense te in commercial product
2015-12-26T03:44:39 < kakimir> those actuators are HUGE
2015-12-26T03:45:47 < Getty> it already gets confusing with all those symbols of all the opensource projects
2015-12-26T03:46:06 < Getty> there should be some kind of widely accepted organization which reminds people "who used it first"
2015-12-26T03:46:30 < Getty> way too many blue ghosts ;)
2015-12-26T03:47:38 < kakimir> ?
2015-12-26T03:48:15 < Getty> phantomjs uses a blue ghost and ghostery and if i am not mistaken there is at least one other chrome browser plugin which uses a blue ghost
2015-12-26T03:48:17 < karlp> getty keeps expecting people to understand directly translated german idioms
2015-12-26T03:48:26 < Getty> there is also the adblock disaster with both using a stop sign with an A in it ;)
2015-12-26T03:48:33 < kakimir> oh some js shit
2015-12-26T03:48:41 < Getty> hahaha could be! the problem is i dont know what are idioms and what not ;)
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2015-12-26T03:48:53 < kakimir> adblock has been losing it's effect
2015-12-26T03:49:06 < kakimir> shit is soaking thru in pronz sites
2015-12-26T03:49:16 < Getty> yeah but we already get the countermessures ;)
2015-12-26T03:49:27 < kakimir> also in shitty sites generally
2015-12-26T03:49:28 < Getty> germany is a big fightfield on that
2015-12-26T03:49:43 < Getty> the biggest news site is driving a "go away" if you use an adblock
2015-12-26T03:49:52 < Getty> like fully blocking the page and showing some "you bad bad boy" html
2015-12-26T03:50:04 < Getty> pretty extreme ;)
2015-12-26T03:50:23 < kakimir> here it is like please concider payment subscription and account to our site access some more shit then
2015-12-26T03:50:31 < kakimir> only 15euros in month
2015-12-26T03:50:42 < kakimir> only
2015-12-26T03:52:51 < kakimir> please throw me some inexpensive commercial mems mirror
2015-12-26T03:54:21 < kakimir> if you need to ask for pricing
2015-12-26T03:54:30 < kakimir> you cant afford it
2015-12-26T03:55:42 < kakimir> or buy 100k units
2015-12-26T03:56:49 < Getty> i already find this funny, especially in the electronic area you find a lot of sites where they present products and always "ask for pricing"
2015-12-26T03:57:00 < Getty> not even with a hint at which dimension you are interesting for them
2015-12-26T03:58:23 < kakimir> if it comes in all ceramic package with golded leads and zirconium glass..
2015-12-26T03:58:40 < kakimir> it's not for commercial products
2015-12-26T03:58:53 < kakimir> *consumer
2015-12-26T03:59:47 < kakimir> I need consulting and harrasment from the pro when he wakes up
2015-12-26T04:00:50 < Getty> for example, what i find confusing is that like "production lines" who offer their services like for SMD or other parts assemble
2015-12-26T04:01:02 < Getty> that they never have like at least one low profile sample calculation
2015-12-26T04:01:09 < Getty> which would animate people to ask
2015-12-26T04:02:03 < Getty> i know i cant expect automatic calculation ;) but some calculation to see what vaguely comes up is that so "secret"?
2015-12-26T04:02:17 < Getty> as if a sample low volume price reveals how good you play on the upper level
2015-12-26T04:02:54 < kakimir> are laser diodes actually more efficient than leds?
2015-12-26T04:04:01 < kakimir> what I'm thinking here is
2015-12-26T04:04:30 < Getty> not that i know of..... else we would sell devices for laser diodes and not led ;)
2015-12-26T04:05:22 < kakimir> InGaN laser diode -> mems mirror -> phosphorous render surface -> typical headlight mirror to mirror render surface forward
2015-12-26T04:06:18 < kakimir> instead of MT-G2 with typical headlight mirror
2015-12-26T04:06:19 < Getty> if you can make something that is more effective...... ;)
2015-12-26T04:06:22 < Getty> market is always there
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2015-12-26T04:07:30 < kakimir> well what I want is to use 10W of power with efficiency
2015-12-26T04:07:50 < kakimir> to have control over shape of beam especially
2015-12-26T04:08:53 < kakimir> to put that 10W where it matters
2015-12-26T04:11:11 < kakimir> Getty: what nowdays matter is if product is commercially available
2015-12-26T04:11:53 < Getty> well price and power consumption for the light is all calculated
2015-12-26T04:12:05 < Getty> its literally the top topic to offer calculator for all this shit on the LED market ;)
2015-12-26T04:13:40 < kakimir> with leds it's easy
2015-12-26T04:14:10 < kakimir> each manufacturer have their superior product
2015-12-26T04:20:38 < kakimir> good laser emitters seem to be trouble to find
2015-12-26T04:21:06 < kakimir> nUV, state of the art
2015-12-26T04:21:14 < kakimir> or any.. to say
2015-12-26T04:22:38 < kakimir> there is just number of scientific papers writen by some asian guy
2015-12-26T04:29:10 < bloated> looking at the size of the heatsink on semiconductor lasers, I'll guess that LEDs have a much higher efficiency.
2015-12-26T04:31:17 < kakimir> audi and bmw claim their laser projectors are 30% more efficient than leds
2015-12-26T04:32:14 < kakimir> that nUV -> mems mirror -> phosphorous render surface -> reflector
2015-12-26T04:32:45 < kakimir> but they are propably refering to 5years old crap they use in led headlight
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2015-12-26T04:41:28 < kakimir> okay they use even not one emitter but whole bunch oh them that are combined into one
2015-12-26T04:47:14 < Laurenceb_> https://www.instagram.com/p/_ryekMHsQw/
2015-12-26T04:54:50 < upgrdman> #hashtag overuse
2015-12-26T04:54:52 < upgrdman> fucking aids
2015-12-26T04:55:09 < upgrdman> imagine in 50 years when the next generation looks at our history
2015-12-26T04:57:28 < kakimir> instagram is for stalking
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2015-12-26T05:33:59 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/gallery/G8Yld8o?lr=0
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2015-12-26T05:37:46 < Getty> LOL i dont know since when they do it
2015-12-26T05:38:00 < Getty> but wikipedia now tries to touch my heart with  mentioning my country on the begging run
2015-12-26T05:38:53 < upgrdman> "don't let the nazis win! donate to wikipedia today" << like that?
2015-12-26T05:39:01 < Getty> hehe
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2015-12-26T05:41:09 < upgrdman> wtf  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuotSQ8x4rk&feature=youtu.be
2015-12-26T05:56:12 < dongs> why do you have 129 games
2015-12-26T05:56:13 < dongs> and only play 3
2015-12-26T06:14:55 < Getty> god damn it chrome.....
2015-12-26T06:15:02 < Getty> they changed a wording in the german translation
2015-12-26T06:15:13 < Getty> instead of "Bild URL kopieren" its no fully german "Bildadresse kopieren"
2015-12-26T06:15:40 < Getty> switching the brain to adapt to those details is so annoying, always seeking the wrong text
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2015-12-26T08:05:58 < upgrdman> lol. my spam folder in gmail... ~all of the emails have animated gifs in the SUBJECT line. how the fuck do you even do that.
2015-12-26T08:11:00 < emeb_mac> view as source and see
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2015-12-26T08:23:44 < GargantuaSauce> it's a gmail thing i think
2015-12-26T08:24:13 < upgrdman> old, but still awesome:  http://www.hovnokod.cz/top?page=1
2015-12-26T08:24:15 < GargantuaSauce> totally useful feature, considering spam is literally the only source of them
2015-12-26T08:26:46 < upgrdman> lol. looks like these guys are actually using an SQL query in the url:
2015-12-26T08:26:49 < upgrdman> http://refbase.wsulibs.wsu.edu/yellowstone/search.php?sqlQuery=SELECT%20author%2C%20title%2C%20year%2C%20publication%2C%20volume%2C%20pages%20FROM%20refs%20WHERE%20serial%20RLIKE%20%22.%2B%22%20ORDER%20BY%20author%2C%20year%20DESC%2C%20publication&submit=List&citeStyle=APA&citeOrder=&orderBy=author%2C%20year%20DESC%2C%20publication&headerMsg=&showQuery=0&showLinks=1&formType=sqlSearch&showRows=20&rowOffset=200&viewType=Web
2015-12-26T08:28:20 < PeterM> https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png
2015-12-26T08:28:30 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/RmfbEsZ.jpg
2015-12-26T08:28:31 < upgrdman> little bobby drop tables
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2015-12-26T09:32:35 < englishman> did steam leak all customer info today
2015-12-26T09:32:39 < englishman> or just most
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2015-12-26T13:06:01 < Steffanx> englishman it was some caching issue. So not all.
2015-12-26T13:06:53 < Steffanx> At least, not likely it was all. It just showed random account pages to random people.
2015-12-26T13:16:05 < zyp> norwegian tax webpage had a similar problem a few years ago
2015-12-26T13:16:22 < zyp> cache problem, leaking the tax information about people to others
2015-12-26T13:16:29 < Sync> lel
2015-12-26T13:17:35 < zyp> there's always a huge rush of people the day the tax return info is released, bringing down the service every year :p
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2015-12-26T15:06:36 < Steffanx> that last one is a good one imho.
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2015-12-26T15:51:02 < owl-v-> hi dongs~
2015-12-26T15:51:22 < owl-v-> hi everyone~
2015-12-26T15:52:54 < ReadError> hoo-hoo
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2015-12-26T15:54:15 < owl-v-> merry chistmas, ReadError ~ ~
2015-12-26T15:54:37 < ReadError> ty, did santa bring you fun toys?
2015-12-26T15:55:50 < owl-v-> sadly, no :(
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2015-12-26T15:57:36 < owl-v-> oh, I ordered powerup3.0 dev version on kickstarter~
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2015-12-26T15:59:14 < owl-v-> so.. that's kinda a fun toy?
2015-12-26T16:00:33 < owl-v-> this looks fun -> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/393053146/powerup-fpv-live-streaming-paper-airplane-drone
2015-12-26T16:06:15 < ReadError> yea that looks neat
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2015-12-26T16:35:02 < mitrax> in stop mode GPIO are preserved right (F0)? i want to wake up the mcu in a remote control when pressing a key i was thinking of setting the columns lines as outputs set high before going to stop mode, and configure rows as input with pulldowns connected to the buttons and wake up on ExtI interrupt
2015-12-26T16:36:51 < rewolff> Doublecheck that EXTI remains working in STOP. I don't know about your real question. Sorry.
2015-12-26T16:38:50 < mitrax> in stop mode yes, in standby mode no (for some reason "stand by" is the mode with the lowest consumption and GPIO set as Hi-Z)
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2015-12-26T16:40:18 < mitrax> silly naming if you ask me :)
2015-12-26T16:40:33 < mitrax> would have made more sense the other way around
2015-12-26T16:40:37 < rewolff> STOP just stops the CPU, but keeps stuff working,
2015-12-26T16:41:07 < rewolff> Standby means the CPU can start executing instructions reasonably quickly if you really want it to....
2015-12-26T16:41:16 < PaulFertser> You have to read the datasheet anyway every time you mess with sleep modes so duh, naming is not so relevant.
2015-12-26T16:42:47 < mitrax> PaulFertser: sure but it's still counter intuitive, especially when you discuss sleep modes in here :)
2015-12-26T16:45:23 < mitrax> i know the core eats around 2 - 3µA in stop mode, what i don't know though is how much extra consumption i'll get from setting those two GPIO high (connected to nothing unless a button is pressed) and the other two pins as pulldown
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2015-12-26T18:32:46 < Getty> pfff... someone reddit calls second reality "techdemo".... pfff... ART thats ART!!!! damn it. janet!
2015-12-26T18:32:59 < Getty> aehm someone on reddit
2015-12-26T18:33:56 < emeb_mac> someone on the internet is wrong
2015-12-26T18:34:03 < Getty> exactly!
2015-12-26T18:34:08 < Getty> we cant let this happen!
2015-12-26T18:42:14 < emeb_mac> lol german: "Bewunderungstweetüberschwenglichkeitssorge"
2015-12-26T18:51:11 < Getty> thats an invented word
2015-12-26T18:51:18 < Getty> i mean its like really crap shit ;)
2015-12-26T18:52:01 < rewolff> Mitrax: static power consumption is close to zero.
2015-12-26T18:52:03 < BrainDamage> spoiler: all words are made up
2015-12-26T18:52:40 < rewolff> inputs use power if you enable a pullup and pull the pin down externally.
2015-12-26T18:53:09 < rewolff> And the other way around, but then you don't see the current going through the CPU's VCC pin.
2015-12-26T18:53:10 < Getty> braindamage: and everything in german is regulated.... ;)
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2015-12-26T19:20:02 < emeb_mac> And in France, the language is only made up and strictly regulated by the Académie française.
2015-12-26T19:20:29 < emeb_mac> Huh? France is stricter than Germany?
2015-12-26T19:23:18 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2015-12-26T19:23:26 < Laurenceb_>  "you have used an illegal word"
2015-12-26T19:23:48 < Laurenceb_> literal grammar nazis
2015-12-26T19:27:34 < zyp> that sounds more like vocabulary nazis
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2015-12-26T19:28:32 < kakimir> use word that is not in the list and die?
2015-12-26T19:31:37 < kakimir> language control ministry swnds task force to take language abuser out
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2015-12-26T19:55:31 < karlp> we have a languge committee here too
2015-12-26T19:57:18 < rewolff> BZZZT the word "languge" is not in our dictionary.
2015-12-26T19:57:20 < rewolff> :-)
2015-12-26T20:03:05 < karlp> mitrax: I'm with you, I thik standby and stop are the wrong way around :)
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2015-12-26T20:28:10 < zyp> why?
2015-12-26T20:28:52 < owl-v-> question -> vender provides drivers and example codes with their own license. if I want other license, such as GNU, BSD and MIT, should I not use vender provided codes?
2015-12-26T20:28:53 < zyp> the remote for your video player has a stop button and a standby button; the stop button only stops video playback, the standby button turns it off
2015-12-26T20:29:10 < zyp> so standby is the lower power mode
2015-12-26T20:29:52 < zyp> owl-v-, depends on how the license is worded
2015-12-26T20:30:28 < zyp> you probably can't relicense the vendor code, but you get to choose your own license for your code, and they might be compatible
2015-12-26T20:31:01 < zyp> i.e. BSD/MIT doesn't disallow your code to be combined with any other code
2015-12-26T20:31:19 < zyp> so it's all just a question of what the vendor code allows you to combine it with
2015-12-26T20:41:06 < celeron55> if you combine code with different licenses, the end result can be used in whatever ways the both licenses allow simultaneously
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2015-12-26T22:49:58 < PaulFertser> zyp: I'm told I should use ASIO with coroutines and that'll be way nicer and cleaner.
2015-12-26T22:50:39 < PaulFertser> zyp: and http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_60_0/doc/html/boost_asio/overview/core/coroutine.html seems sane
2015-12-26T22:58:51 < zyp> yeah, except C++ doesn't support proper coroutines as of today
2015-12-26T22:59:33 < zyp> heh, I wonder what trick boost::asio::coroutine uses
2015-12-26T23:00:09 < zyp> maybe the same switch/case macro magic that µip uses
2015-12-26T23:00:47 < zyp> «These are preprocessor macros, and are implemented in terms of a switch statement using a technique similar to Duff's Device.» yup
2015-12-26T23:01:22 < zyp> cute but tedious
2015-12-26T23:02:53 < zyp> might still be better than continuation passing style though, although I'd think that with C++11 closures, the latter would actually be cleaner
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2015-12-26T23:04:14 < PaulFertser> zyp: if you look at the next page they have a stackful coroutines too.
2015-12-26T23:04:40 < PaulFertser> zyp: but anyway that code looks sane enough (on the first glance), way neater than the usual async handlers asio examples.
2015-12-26T23:05:47 < PaulFertser> I now learnt why I couldn't replace boost::bind with std::bind there. asio placeholders are boost-specific and are not compatible with std placeholders, so I can't use neat names like "boost::asio::placeholders::error" and have to resort to _1 etc, and in this case a lambda is probably more appropriate.
2015-12-26T23:05:50 < zyp> stackful coroutines are based on threads
2015-12-26T23:06:05 < zyp> so you end up spawning a ton of them
2015-12-26T23:06:06 < PaulFertser> Yes, but even on raspberrypi I wouldn't be too concerned.
2015-12-26T23:06:16 < zyp> sure
2015-12-26T23:06:54 < zyp> what are you writing anyway? rpi is high-level enough that I probably wouldn't bother with C++
2015-12-26T23:07:33 < PaulFertser> A master for a custom serial protocol to talk to devices on rs-485 bus.
2015-12-26T23:08:20 < PaulFertser> I thought it'd make sense to try C++ this time. Well, and it sort of still makes sense, I can easily compile the app on target without much hassle.
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2015-12-26T23:08:51 < zyp> I'd probably do python
2015-12-26T23:09:06 < zyp> as rpi got plenty of resources to run that
2015-12-26T23:09:12 < PaulFertser> In a continuation-passing style I can't understand how to properly disarm the timeout timer on entry of every handler and arm it again before performing the next operation.
2015-12-26T23:09:36 < zyp> hmm, fair point
2015-12-26T23:09:56 < PaulFertser> I do not know Python at all. I'd do Haskell instead (though I do not know it much either).
2015-12-26T23:10:11 < zyp> again, I used asio last in a uni project five years ago, so I'm not too familiar with its current state
2015-12-26T23:10:16 < zyp> fair point
2015-12-26T23:12:46 < PaulFertser> I think for that timer thing I can create a new class and its constructor would accept two std::functions and I would split every handler in the first part that is to be performed after disarming the timer and the second part which would schedule the next operation. But then I'd be having hard time to pass context between them...
2015-12-26T23:13:06 < PaulFertser> Damn I must be stupid, no matter how I think about it, it's all ending up nasty.
2015-12-26T23:16:42 < zyp> in tornado, everything is built on futures, so there you could just make a wrapper that schedules a timeout that cancels a future if it's not finished in time
2015-12-26T23:17:21 < zyp> does boost happen to have futures as well?
2015-12-26T23:17:29 < zyp> that ties into the other stuff?
2015-12-26T23:19:08 < PaulFertser> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_60_0/doc/html/boost_asio/overview/cpp2011/futures.html
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2015-12-26T23:43:36 < zyp> neat
2015-12-26T23:43:58 < zyp> oh, right, C++11 got futures in stl now
2015-12-26T23:44:19 < PaulFertser> And there's a toy monadic wrapper for ASIO too https://github.com/inetic/masio
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2015-12-27T02:24:05 < kakimir> hello posse
2015-12-27T02:24:10 < kakimir> hello dong
2015-12-27T02:24:24 < upgrdman> hello
2015-12-27T02:24:34 < kakimir> saw star wars today
2015-12-27T02:24:54 < upgrdman> super gay?
2015-12-27T02:25:39 < kakimir> there wasn't too many thing I enjoyed in it
2015-12-27T02:27:12 < kakimir> not the best star wars
2015-12-27T02:27:22 < kakimir> I think
2015-12-27T02:27:59 < kakimir> I think I enjoyed most of main female having sweaty face all the time
2015-12-27T02:29:52 < kakimir> and I was relieved that black guy didn't steal the show
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2015-12-27T02:30:58 < kakimir> how is my posse today?
2015-12-27T02:42:08 < kakimir> I need some pro help
2015-12-27T02:42:19 < kakimir> I have comparator with reference
2015-12-27T02:42:35 < kakimir> internal reference is connected to IN+
2015-12-27T02:42:42 < kakimir> internally
2015-12-27T02:43:32 < kakimir> datasheet says that internal reference stops functioning around 2V when going to under specification voltages
2015-12-27T02:43:38 < kakimir> but comparator stays active
2015-12-27T02:43:57 < kakimir> output is functional
2015-12-27T02:45:57 < kakimir> without any UV level
2015-12-27T02:46:39 < kakimir> hmm
2015-12-27T02:46:44 < kakimir> oooh
2015-12-27T02:48:51 < kakimir> okay EN pin has input level of 0.9Volts
2015-12-27T02:49:48 < kakimir> but buck regulator stops supply at 2.7volts anyways
2015-12-27T02:50:32 < kakimir> unless you boot power comparator with power-on button
2015-12-27T02:51:42 < kakimir> but buck wont start if under 2.8volt supply
2015-12-27T02:51:58 < kakimir> sorry for thinking aloud.. I got it now
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2015-12-27T02:54:05 < kakimir> now I need to add only shutdown pin to this
2015-12-27T02:58:17 < kakimir> mcj
2015-12-27T02:58:55 < kakimir> mcu can kill the power with one pulse
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2015-12-27T04:00:48 < kakimir> quiet day
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2015-12-27T04:16:20 < fenugrec> never seen ##stm32 this dead
2015-12-27T04:16:57 < kakimir> everybody died
2015-12-27T04:17:27 < kakimir> goodbye world
2015-12-27T04:23:29 < upgrdman> people are probably spending time with their loved ones during the holidays.
2015-12-27T04:23:37 < upgrdman> i guess that means no one loves us
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2015-12-27T04:30:00 < kakimir> loveless
2015-12-27T04:31:10 < kakimir> good album to emofy yourself in rainy times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrMjc4oz0mY
2015-12-27T04:32:13 < upgrdman> gay
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2015-12-27T04:47:42 < kakimir> I dont cry anymore when I listen to music
2015-12-27T04:50:29 < kakimir> swedish girl has built new dangerous machine
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2015-12-27T05:06:14 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKblNXdHB2OGZRU1E/view?usp=sharing
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2015-12-27T05:06:21 < kakimir> does this have any sense?
2015-12-27T05:06:53 < kakimir> should I have some buffer chip mahic that does the delay
2015-12-27T05:07:05 < kakimir> magic
2015-12-27T05:21:11 < upgrdman> trippy  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRxx5bXIzVw
2015-12-27T05:26:04 < jadew> I think last time I moved I threw away the very first electronic device I ever built :/
2015-12-27T05:26:29 < jadew> and a bunch of other stuff I need now
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2015-12-27T05:40:41 < kakimir> master of flies
2015-12-27T05:43:42 < upgrdman> anyone tried this youtube downloader? looks good and is open source, but i've never heard of it.  https://www.4kdownload.com/
2015-12-27T05:44:25 < jadew> if it's open source, read the source code
2015-12-27T05:44:39 < kakimir> I think I tried it
2015-12-27T05:45:01 < kakimir> ended up with jdownloader or some java shiet in the end
2015-12-27T05:45:09 < jadew> I use this one: https://github.com/gantt/downloadyoutube
2015-12-27T05:45:14 < jadew> I did read the source code
2015-12-27T05:45:24 < jadew> https://github.com/gantt/downloadyoutube/blob/master/script/yt.user.js
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2015-12-27T06:13:47 < scrts> worked.
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2015-12-27T06:36:59 < upgrdman> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQYy5iPWoAA68lZ.jpg
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2015-12-27T06:41:02 < PeterM> i wonder how well stm32F100s overclock, they are the cheapest BGA stm32 but are slow as shit
2015-12-27T06:54:48 < upgrdman> fwiw, i overclock f0's from 48MHz to 64MHz all the time with zero problems.
2015-12-27T06:55:06 < upgrdman> i'd imagine other chips have roughly similar stability margins
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2015-12-27T07:01:01 < PeterM> yeah, i know f103s do 72>128 fine but f100s are 24mhz base :S, reading around suggests you can clock them to 64 without problems but would ahve to buy + test a few to verify
2015-12-27T07:02:59 < upgrdman> f100's are rated for 24mhz max? wow.
2015-12-27T07:03:10 < upgrdman> are they from the early 00's or something?
2015-12-27T07:04:55 < PeterM> NFI, just sorted BGA + Price
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2015-12-27T07:50:58 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3q_LHQDpd4
2015-12-27T07:51:34 < upgrdman> that you?
2015-12-27T07:51:39 < GargantuaSauce> no
2015-12-27T08:33:05 < upgrdman> making progress of my shitty fpga adc   http://www.farrellf.com/temp/delta_sigma_adc_simulation2.png
2015-12-27T08:34:40 < emeb_mac> nice!
2015-12-27T08:34:56 < upgrdman> thanks
2015-12-27T08:35:13 < emeb_mac> just need a nice decimating filter now
2015-12-27T08:35:25 < emeb_mac> get the sample rate down & resolution up.
2015-12-27T08:35:58 < upgrdman> why decimate for that? up'ing the number of bits will cut the sample rate anyway
2015-12-27T08:36:35 < emeb_mac> any operation that reduces the sample rate is decimation
2015-12-27T08:36:54 < upgrdman> o
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2015-12-27T09:12:46 < bloated> what is A1 in your ltspice model ?
2015-12-27T09:14:03 < upgrdman> latch
2015-12-27T09:14:16 < upgrdman> "dflop"
2015-12-27T09:15:11 < bloated> don't I feel silly now
2015-12-27T09:15:20 < upgrdman> :)
2015-12-27T09:28:34 < upgrdman> found R2COM http://i.imgur.com/3KNNPm1.jpg
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2015-12-27T09:43:45 < ReadError> sigh
2015-12-27T09:43:54 < ReadError> i cant remove this white shit from these pcbs
2015-12-27T09:44:21 < upgrdman> splooge?
2015-12-27T09:44:37 < ReadError> yea around parts
2015-12-27T09:44:49 < ReadError> maybe i need a stiffer brush
2015-12-27T09:45:02 < upgrdman> isopropyl alcohol + paint brush
2015-12-27T09:45:11 < ReadError> i was using a soft toothbrush
2015-12-27T09:45:19 < ReadError> but dont think it has the nuts to get under it
2015-12-27T09:45:23 < upgrdman> ya that should be plenty fine
2015-12-27T09:45:33 < upgrdman> using alcohol, right?
2015-12-27T09:45:36 < ReadError> yea, 91%
2015-12-27T09:45:43 < ReadError> then i tried some contact cleaner
2015-12-27T09:45:52 < ReadError> looks fine until it dries
2015-12-27T09:46:26 < upgrdman> you sure the splooge is flux?
2015-12-27T09:46:49 < ReadError> has be some byproduct of the paste
2015-12-27T09:48:09 < upgrdman> pic?
2015-12-27T09:48:14 < ReadError> sec
2015-12-27T09:54:23 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/UWgZUl4.jpg
2015-12-27T09:55:44 < upgrdman> that looks like the flux damaged the silkscreen
2015-12-27T09:56:01 < upgrdman> i had that problem when using Chipquik paste with DIY soldermasks
2015-12-27T09:57:15 < upgrdman> hmm. how does it react when you touch a hot iron to it? maybe not fully reflowed paste?
2015-12-27T10:00:05 < PeterM> ReadError, i have had issues cleaning that with jsut IPA before, try somethign a little mroe hardcore, about a 20% IPA, 30% acetone and 50% ethylacetate
2015-12-27T10:00:23 < ReadError> i think its the iso yea
2015-12-27T10:01:49 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/wpZ2F3E.jpg
2015-12-27T10:01:57 < ReadError> hit a few pins and the resistors with an iron
2015-12-27T10:02:05 < PeterM> also, remember, when you clean boards 1) apply solvent 2) brush/scrub lightly 3) turn board vertical 4) rinse with mroe solvent while gently scrubbing 5) rinse with solvent while not scrubbing
2015-12-27T10:02:08 < bloated> if you've never used this bottle of IPA before, it could be contaminated IPA.
2015-12-27T10:02:11 < ReadError> then i think if I go to clean it again w/ iso
2015-12-27T10:02:14 < ReadError> it will turn white again
2015-12-27T10:02:30 < ReadError> so its maybe the iso reacting with the flux left?
2015-12-27T10:02:33 < bloated> I've seen bad IPA leave a white powder residue.
2015-12-27T10:02:42 < bloated> dissolved contamination.
2015-12-27T10:03:17 < ReadError> i blasted the hell out of this board with contact cleaner too
2015-12-27T10:03:28 < ReadError> figured that would remove but nah
2015-12-27T10:03:31 < bloated> contact cleaner leaves a residue
2015-12-27T10:03:49 < PeterM> ^
2015-12-27T10:03:57 < PeterM> its designed to leave a slightly oily residue
2015-12-27T10:07:08 < ReadError> going to rebake the board and see what happens
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2015-12-27T10:17:49 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/1G9eDpM.jpg
2015-12-27T10:17:53 < ReadError> rebaking fixes
2015-12-27T10:18:01 < ReadError> so must be something with iso + flux
2015-12-27T10:18:27 < upgrdman> or you didnt bake long/hot enough the first time?
2015-12-27T10:18:56 < ReadError> nah, i even reflowed it w/ hotair before, went away
2015-12-27T10:19:00 < ReadError> came back after cleaning again
2015-12-27T10:19:07 < upgrdman> o ok
2015-12-27T10:19:12 < ReadError> odd stuff
2015-12-27T10:20:14 < PeterM> its stil lthere, jsut not white
2015-12-27T10:21:01 < ReadError> yea
2015-12-27T10:21:10 < ReadError> oh well this is noclean stuff anyways
2015-12-27T10:21:31 < PeterM> mmhm
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2015-12-27T11:21:48 < Simon--> hrm..is there any reset/resynchronization method for uart boot loader?
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2015-12-27T12:33:10 < karlp> Simon--: read the app note on the protocol, it does some shit with scanning for the byte sequences.
2015-12-27T12:36:07 < karlp> upgrdman: f100 are "value line" they're just the cheap ones
2015-12-27T12:38:16 < gordonjcp> karlp: that being said, they're not a lot cheaper than more powerful ones
2015-12-27T12:38:27 < gordonjcp> karlp: but still a fraction of the price of AVR8
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2015-12-27T14:08:45 < dongs> owl-v-: sup
2015-12-27T14:08:49 < dongs> meanwhile in jp http://www.afp.com/es/news/3851495/
2015-12-27T14:17:05 < Steffanx> actually. I saw that yesterday and was surprised Laurenceb and/or upgrdman didnt post it already here
2015-12-27T14:17:12 < dongs> haha
2015-12-27T14:17:13 < Steffanx> "Found dongs: ... "
2015-12-27T14:17:16 < dongs> i was out of hte loop
2015-12-27T14:18:00 < dongs> hmm why is that site /es/
2015-12-27T14:18:03 < dongs> bu article is in english
2015-12-27T14:18:05 < dongs> just noticed that
2015-12-27T14:18:06 < PeterM> jesus christ, 12,000 women, even at like $10 a trick thats a lot of money to burn
2015-12-27T14:18:22 < dongs> PeterM: 12000 women in ~65 visits~
2015-12-27T14:18:28 < dongs> thats 184/visit
2015-12-27T14:18:32 < dongs> i wonder how long he stayed
2015-12-27T14:18:35 < dongs> and/or how long he fucked
2015-12-27T14:19:27 < PeterM> i mean even like 5 a time thats lioek 35 times
2015-12-27T14:19:51 < PeterM> per visit
2015-12-27T14:43:13 < zyp> «over a 27-year period»
2015-12-27T14:47:51 < dongs> still
2015-12-27T14:48:23 < zyp> yeah
2015-12-27T14:48:29 < dongs> zyp, what's blogging
2015-12-27T14:48:34 < zyp> that's still over one per day, average over 27 years
2015-12-27T14:48:36 < zyp> I don't get it
2015-12-27T14:48:40 < dongs> do you work on monday
2015-12-27T14:48:51 < dongs> japs are working
2015-12-27T14:50:00 < zyp> I could, but I'm taken it off
2015-12-27T14:50:18 < zyp> I'm in the north now, flying south monday evening
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2015-12-27T14:52:47 < gordonjcp> zyp: one per day, twice on saturdays and sunday off?
2015-12-27T14:53:01 < gordonjcp> it's just about six per week
2015-12-27T14:53:16 < gordonjcp> no, wait, I've got that backwards haven't i?
2015-12-27T14:53:18 < dongs> 8.5/week
2015-12-27T14:53:23 < gordonjcp> yeah
2015-12-27T14:53:39 < dongs> maybe he was having class orgies
2015-12-27T14:53:41 < dongs> in his school
2015-12-27T14:53:45 < dongs> then that gives y ou liek 30/day
2015-12-27T14:53:59 < Steffanx> the news is gone it seems
2015-12-27T14:54:03 < gordonjcp> yeah and then you can take a couple of weeks off
2015-12-27T14:54:10 < gordonjcp> let the burns heal
2015-12-27T14:57:05 < PeterM> mroe like 18 days holiday, 2 gangbangs a day (noon and night), 5 per gangbang, 3 holidays a year, over 20 years sounds plausible
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2015-12-27T14:57:56 < gordonjcp> probably got some clever software on his phone to organise it
2015-12-27T14:58:14 < Steffanx> fancy phone 27 years ago?
2015-12-27T14:58:28 < PeterM> i assume if you're doing trips liek that youre  bussiness gets you your own rep
2015-12-27T14:58:30 < Steffanx> real pro's use scrapbook
2015-12-27T14:58:49 < gordonjcp> you'd want to make sure you didn't waste time by doing someone twice
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2015-12-27T14:59:49 < gordonjcp> "little black book" about the size of a telephone directory
2015-12-27T15:00:10 < gordonjcp> the last third of it is all just Gantt charts
2015-12-27T15:02:38 < Tectu> dongs, you use dicktrace, right?
2015-12-27T15:02:45 < Tectu> can´t see KiCAD anymore -___-
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2015-12-27T15:03:43 < Steffanx> Altium mr T
2015-12-27T15:04:26 < Tectu> how does he pay for that
2015-12-27T15:04:40 < Tectu> CircuitMaker much, dongs?
2015-12-27T15:04:44 < ReadError> russian medicine
2015-12-27T15:05:41 < PeterM> ReadError, ru-board.com?
2015-12-27T15:05:43 < dongs> Tectu: i used dicktrace until tehy fucked it up
2015-12-27T15:05:51 < Tectu> dongs, tell me more, please
2015-12-27T15:05:52 < dongs> i'm a legit altium user, fuck off
2015-12-27T15:06:04 < dongs> Tectu: its okay for simple 2L/4L stuff
2015-12-27T15:06:08 < dongs> with not a lot of parts.
2015-12-27T15:06:20 < ReadError> PeterM rutracker
2015-12-27T15:06:27 < Steffanx> Since when it your became a legit user?! !
2015-12-27T15:06:27 < Tectu> dongs, what did they start to fuck up?
2015-12-27T15:06:49 < dongs> Tectu: they refuse to admit that consistent keyboard hotkeys are important
2015-12-27T15:06:59 < dongs> and changed some really common ones several times during 2.x releases
2015-12-27T15:07:08 < Tectu> dongs, oh, fuck that. I fucking love keyboard shortcuts
2015-12-27T15:07:11 < Tectu> wtf
2015-12-27T15:07:25 < Tectu> dongs, but to be honest, if that´s the only fuckly thing... I can cope with that
2015-12-27T15:07:57 < dongs> its probably still way better than kikecad :)
2015-12-27T15:08:11 < PeterM> ReadError, im tempted to try, im still on like 14.2 and cbf paying for shit im probably nto going to use
2015-12-27T15:08:31 < ReadError> im on 15.2 or something
2015-12-27T15:08:36 < dongs> PeterM: they finally fixed ECO  in  16.x
2015-12-27T15:08:39 < dongs> it is instant
2015-12-27T15:08:43 < dongs> regardless of number of parts
2015-12-27T15:08:56 < PeterM> thats awefully fuckign tempting dongs
2015-12-27T15:08:57 < ReadError> http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4762683
2015-12-27T15:09:03 < ReadError> they have newest 16
2015-12-27T15:09:07 < Tectu> dongs, dicktrace at least seems to have reasonable prices
2015-12-27T15:09:09 < dongs> ReadError: stop spreading aids info
2015-12-27T15:09:21 < dongs> Tectu: absolutely. i bought full license with the first 4L board I made in it.
2015-12-27T15:09:51 < Tectu> dongs, also, upgrade to 3.x will only be 25% which doesn´t sound bad either
2015-12-27T15:09:58 < dongs> if they ever get 3.x out
2015-12-27T15:10:03 < dongs> since ukraine  is a fucking warzone
2015-12-27T15:10:10 < Tectu> dongs, I just pulled the 30 days trial. it just seems like ´98 software
2015-12-27T15:10:19 < dongs> it is written in delphi.
2015-12-27T15:10:21 < dongs> so yeah.
2015-12-27T15:10:23 < Tectu> -____-
2015-12-27T15:10:27 < Tectu> u serious?
2015-12-27T15:10:29 < dongs> but so id altidong
2015-12-27T15:10:30 < dongs> yesw.
2015-12-27T15:10:35 < Tectu> lulz
2015-12-27T15:10:54 < ReadError> - Custom user-defined keyboard shortcuts for tools and dialogs.
2015-12-27T15:11:02 < ReadError> apparently they added that in the beta dongs
2015-12-27T15:11:03 < dongs> latest dicktrace changelog?
2015-12-27T15:11:04 < Tectu> anyway, from your perspective it´s worth to give it a try in order to break up with kicad while still not having enough money for alitum?
2015-12-27T15:11:06 < dongs> thats nice.
2015-12-27T15:11:11 < dongs> Tectu: yeah, definitely
2015-12-27T15:11:16 < Tectu> dongs, thanks!
2015-12-27T15:11:33 < dongs> its extremely easy to pickup (even dumb cloners like ReadError can do it)
2015-12-27T15:11:38 < Tectu> LOL
2015-12-27T15:11:39 < Tectu> dongs, how´s library management?
2015-12-27T15:11:45 < dongs> tectu, i make my own libs.
2015-12-27T15:11:47 < Tectu> dongs, and are the 120´000 existing components usable?
2015-12-27T15:11:48 < dongs> parts editors are great.
2015-12-27T15:11:50 < dongs> nope.
2015-12-27T15:11:53 < dongs> i wouldnt touch any of htem
2015-12-27T15:11:55 < Tectu> hmm, ok
2015-12-27T15:11:58 < Tectu> how comes?
2015-12-27T15:12:04 < dongs> i duno, just look adn make your own
2015-12-27T15:12:09 < Tectu> okay
2015-12-27T15:12:17 < Tectu> I just don´t want to spend three days making two components
2015-12-27T15:12:21 < dongs> you wont
2015-12-27T15:12:25 < Tectu> if the tools are good then I am happy to make my own
2015-12-27T15:12:36 < dongs> the editor is so easy you can make it in less time that it takes to search included libs
2015-12-27T15:12:44 < Tectu> lol, nice
2015-12-27T15:12:49 < Tectu> but how´s the actual library management?
2015-12-27T15:13:03 < dongs> its there. you can add/search/etc.
2015-12-27T15:13:04 < Tectu> and is it possible to make a git repo or is that some binary proprietary blob magic everywhere?
2015-12-27T15:13:09 < dongs> i only have my own lib in search path so I dont realyl care
2015-12-27T15:13:15 < Tectu> ok
2015-12-27T15:13:15 < dongs> but it can be seutp to pick from all of them etc.
2015-12-27T15:13:21 < dongs> binary
2015-12-27T15:13:25 < dongs> you can export to dicktrace ascii
2015-12-27T15:13:30 < dongs> for shithub
2015-12-27T15:13:42 < Tectu> well, you can always put binaries into a git repo
2015-12-27T15:13:52 < Tectu> I am more asking for backup purposes than anything else, really
2015-12-27T15:13:52 < dongs> yeah sure. but with ascii you'll ahve diffs too if that realyl matterse.
2015-12-27T15:14:01 < Tectu> nah, fuck diffs
2015-12-27T15:14:03 < dongs> i ahvent had problems with trashed libs in all the time I used it
2015-12-27T15:14:10 < Tectu> good
2015-12-27T15:14:10 < ReadError> oh nice they added an option to update all pours
2015-12-27T15:14:30 < Tectu> thanks dongs
2015-12-27T15:14:50 < dongs> is this 3.0 beta or wat
2015-12-27T15:15:18 < Tectu> there is 3.0 beta?
2015-12-27T15:15:20 < Tectu> I only see 2.9
2015-12-27T15:15:26 < dongs> duno readstoner is reading from somewehre
2015-12-27T15:15:28 < Tectu> DipTrace 2.9 Beta that is
2015-12-27T15:15:33 < dongs> yeah thats probly it then
2015-12-27T15:15:44 < Tectu> why would they beta a minor version -__-
2015-12-27T15:15:55 < Tectu> dongs, http://diptrace.com/diptrace-software/whats-new/
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2015-12-27T15:43:18 < dongs> i bought some kapton tape today
2015-12-27T15:43:29 < dongs> japs call it polyemit? or soimething tape
2015-12-27T15:43:35 < dongs> 260C rated
2015-12-27T15:43:51 < dongs> oh thats wat kapton is
2015-12-27T15:43:53 < dongs> polyimide
2015-12-27T15:44:47 < BrainDamage> polyamide
2015-12-27T15:45:01 < BrainDamage> kapton is a brand
2015-12-27T15:45:02 < dongs> 600k results for polyimide
2015-12-27T15:45:15 < dongs> Showing results for polyimide tape
2015-12-27T15:45:16 < dongs> Search instead for polyamide tape
2015-12-27T15:45:20 < dongs> looks like imide is correct
2015-12-27T15:45:40 < BrainDamage> oh ok, i stand corrected then
2015-12-27T15:48:05 < dongs> damn wtf
2015-12-27T15:48:21 < dongs> i took apart this small lipo thing with a built in protector circuit
2015-12-27T15:48:30 < dongs> and usually they're just soldered to the thin pcb
2015-12-27T15:48:34 < dongs> this one is fucking spotwelded
2015-12-27T15:48:35 < dongs> wtf
2015-12-27T15:49:26 < ReadError> dongs its in 2.9
2015-12-27T15:49:31 < ReadError> you can bind it to a hotkey
2015-12-27T15:50:05 < PeterM> dongs spotweld is common for alu tabs because hard to solder alu
2015-12-27T15:50:09 < dongs> ReadError: wat is, all pours?
2015-12-27T15:50:16 < dongs> PeterM: never sene it on like 300mAh batts tho
2015-12-27T15:50:20 < ReadError> yea
2015-12-27T15:51:00 < dongs> those tabs are alu?
2015-12-27T15:51:58 < PeterM> yes, usually alu is the base material and hten they spotweld other tabs on that are nickle plated and solder to those
2015-12-27T15:52:33 < PeterM> on smaller batteries the tabs are probably spot welded o nbefore the cell is finished
2015-12-27T15:53:05 < dongs> hm cuz
2015-12-27T15:53:35 < dongs> when i resolder the PCM onto the tabs it solders pretty easily
2015-12-27T15:53:42 < dongs> so i figured they were made out of somethign soldrable
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2015-12-27T15:56:36 < dongs> http://www.chinabatteryweb.com/?mod=goods&do=display&id=5679&sid=f2eb5d13974938bea148d0b5b63e1ca5
2015-12-27T15:56:40 < dongs> got this thing
2015-12-27T15:58:09 < PeterM> yeah dongs the actual tabs for teh internal part of the cell are alumionium and are spot welded to nickle strips iirc
2015-12-27T15:59:14 < dongs> hmmm
2015-12-27T15:59:23 < dongs> it comes with undervoltage lockout tab
2015-12-27T15:59:24 < dongs> nice
2015-12-27T15:59:43 < dongs> that looks like the pcb i just took out of the other batt i disassembled
2015-12-27T15:59:45 < dongs> that was spotwelded
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2015-12-27T16:26:14 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/dI6zxUp.gifv what did he think was gonna happen
2015-12-27T16:27:51 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=001_1451201633 sauce
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2015-12-27T16:32:56 < kakimir> hello dong
2015-12-27T16:33:15 < Tectu> dongs, did you do 3d crap in you dicktrace libs?
2015-12-27T16:33:32 < dongs> ya i downloaded thier 3d model shtis
2015-12-27T16:33:37 < dongs> they kinda sux for not using step
2015-12-27T16:33:42 < dongs> and requring that weird vrlm shit
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2015-12-27T16:34:08 < Tectu> omg
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2015-12-27T16:36:23 < dongs> maybe new beta finally does step??
2015-12-27T16:36:24 < dongs> i donno
2015-12-27T16:36:34 < dongs> anyway, you can pickup models in wahtever format tehy require from 3dcontentcentral
2015-12-27T16:36:37 < dongs> since it can convert
2015-12-27T16:36:44 < dongs> .wrl? i think
2015-12-27T16:37:35 < Tectu> the fuck 3dcontentcentral got some nice models
2015-12-27T16:37:50 < Tectu> some people know their 3d shit pretty well
2015-12-27T16:38:03 < dongs> ya
2015-12-27T16:38:26 < Laurenceb_> some stuff from there is nice, some is weird stl files
2015-12-27T16:39:47 < kakimir> is there different sizes of wson package?
2015-12-27T16:40:00 < Laurenceb_> probably
2015-12-27T16:40:10 < Laurenceb_> same with most packages :P
2015-12-27T16:40:11 < PeterM> the search functionality is fucked though on 3dcc
2015-12-27T16:40:13 < dongs> its 0.5mm qwith epad
2015-12-27T16:40:41 < Laurenceb_> but the differences are probably small
2015-12-27T16:41:31 < PeterM> wide small outline nolead
2015-12-27T16:42:08 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_integrated_circuit_packaging_types
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2015-12-27T16:45:35 < kakimir> fuken hel
2015-12-27T16:45:49 < dongs> the worst thing is all teh different width SSOPs
2015-12-27T16:45:57 < dongs> like that i2c level shifter thing
2015-12-27T16:46:07 < dongs> that comes in tssop8
2015-12-27T16:46:18 < dongs> there's shit thats several mm width difference
2015-12-27T16:46:24 < dongs> and same 0.5mm pitch
2015-12-27T16:47:35 < dongs> PCA9306
2015-12-27T16:47:36 < dongs> that shit
2015-12-27T16:47:51 < kakimir> 0.5 0.625 0.65
2015-12-27T16:48:01 < dongs> there's clones with same name from TI, NXP, Fairchild, etc
2015-12-27T16:48:02 < kakimir> fail once and learn
2015-12-27T16:48:07 < dongs> what' you do
2015-12-27T16:48:25 < kakimir> ultra small ultra efficient buck regulator board
2015-12-27T16:48:58 < kakimir> atm.
2015-12-27T16:49:08 < kakimir> do you mean what did I fail?
2015-12-27T16:49:20 < dongs> i duno what's  with the 0.5 /0.625 thing
2015-12-27T16:49:44 < kakimir> it was tssop I think
2015-12-27T16:50:04 < kakimir> wait.. was there even 0.8mm
2015-12-27T16:50:53 < Sync> haha yeah dongs
2015-12-27T16:51:05 < Sync> the layouter at work just made a universal ssop thing
2015-12-27T16:51:08 < PeterM> 0.5mm = metric pitch, 0.625mm is imperial  (0.625x2 = 1.25, 1.25x2 = 2.50) or someting
2015-12-27T16:51:12 < dongs> right
2015-12-27T16:51:13 < Sync> that accepts small, wide and wtf
2015-12-27T16:51:20 < dongs> for the 9306 you basically have to do it
2015-12-27T16:51:25 < dongs> like take teh widest pkg
2015-12-27T16:53:17 < kakimir> why dont they use always smallest packages
2015-12-27T16:53:38 < kakimir> if there is no real power in it
2015-12-27T16:54:05 < Sync> cost
2015-12-27T16:54:09 < PeterM> because often packaging in those small packages costs a lot, ie, to package a CSBGA costs mroe than a soic
2015-12-27T16:54:19 < kakimir> oh
2015-12-27T16:54:23 < kakimir> interesting
2015-12-27T16:54:37 < PeterM> also, you target your packaging to the board level technology too
2015-12-27T16:55:00 < PeterM> i mean, if the board is mostly tssop and shit, you're probably not going to be abel to do 0.4mm bga on it
2015-12-27T16:55:17 < PeterM> and as a result people arent goping to buy your part
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2015-12-27T17:03:22 < kakimir> true
2015-12-27T17:03:34 < kakimir> how about dick and placing costs?
2015-12-27T17:03:40 < dongs> higher, too
2015-12-27T17:03:46 < kakimir> how dramatically?
2015-12-27T17:03:48 < PeterM> costs goes up, yeild goes down
2015-12-27T17:04:07 < kakimir> yeild goes down even
2015-12-27T17:04:08 < kakimir> hmm
2015-12-27T17:04:25 < kakimir> do not make small shit unless you need to
2015-12-27T17:04:26 < PeterM> depends on how small you go and how much you can handle in the yeild vs time
2015-12-27T17:06:10 < PeterM> kakimir, sometimes the markets just demand it
2015-12-27T17:06:36 < PeterM> i mean, imagine if mobile phones used the same packaging technologies as desktopp pcs
2015-12-27T17:07:28 < kakimir> dick and place of one phone is like nothing
2015-12-27T17:07:46 < kakimir> as if those had any parts today
2015-12-27T17:07:55 < kakimir> one soc
2015-12-27T17:08:01 < kakimir> passives
2015-12-27T17:08:02 < kakimir> done
2015-12-27T17:09:01 < PeterM> yeah, and your passives are like 01005, not 0402
2015-12-27T17:10:00 < kakimir> how o they even pick those up?
2015-12-27T17:10:16 < PeterM> very accurately
2015-12-27T17:10:34 < celeron55> i imagine you just need an accurate machine
2015-12-27T17:10:41 < zyp> probably with a vacuum nozzle the size of your dick
2015-12-27T17:10:57 < dongs> kakimir, stop assburgering
2015-12-27T17:16:36 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPlWho3KJHY lol
2015-12-27T17:19:15 < PeterM> kakimir, btw there is a lot more shit in a phone than jsut one soc and a sprinkling of passives - you've got connectors, spring contacts, fuckloads of protection diodes, you've got the emmc, batterymanagement, poweramps, audio dacs, led drivers, all your wireless macs, and then probably a micro to run all your buttons, sensors, low level power etc while your socs  sleeps/isnt booted
2015-12-27T17:19:42 < gordonjcp> probably half a dozen little MCUs, really
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2015-12-27T17:24:40 < dongs> PIC32MZ
2015-12-27T17:24:42 < dongs> in tssop
2015-12-27T17:25:23 < dongs> no zano news
2015-12-27T17:27:48 < kakimir> PeterM: true
2015-12-27T17:31:39 < kakimir> time to draw 3 shitsmall packages
2015-12-27T17:32:44 < ReadError> firing up emacs?
2015-12-27T17:32:46 < kakimir> found that if you go to very low current power inductors you can get package sizes less than 3mm x 3mm shielded and <100mOhm
2015-12-27T17:33:39 < kakimir> with 750mA buck I don't need more than 1.5amp inductor
2015-12-27T17:34:08 < kakimir> ReadError: why emacs?
2015-12-27T17:34:11 < dongs> err
2015-12-27T17:34:17 < dongs> i use VLF3010 coils
2015-12-27T17:34:23 < dongs> for buck/buckboost
2015-12-27T17:34:29 < ReadError> i thought thats how they do it in kicad
2015-12-27T17:34:30 < kakimir> tdk?
2015-12-27T17:34:33 < dongs> 3.3uH in like 3x3x.1mm
2015-12-27T17:34:33 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-27T17:34:42 < dongs> i forget wat they're rated at i think 800mA
2015-12-27T17:34:45 < kakimir> that one
2015-12-27T17:34:50 < ReadError> 0.1mm ? no way
2015-12-27T17:35:13 < dongs> 1mm
2015-12-27T17:35:24 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/images/tdk/images/5vlf4014a_cs01_0i.jpg
2015-12-27T17:35:40 < emeb_mac> those vlf parts are cute
2015-12-27T17:35:49 < kakimir> vlf-m series dong
2015-12-27T17:35:59 < dongs> i like them
2015-12-27T17:36:12 < dongs> its in my coil grabbag for small stuff
2015-12-27T17:36:19 < dongs> and that sunlord or whatever stuff for bigger
2015-12-27T17:36:41 < kakimir> I wonder what is the best in the class of 3.3uH 3x3mm
2015-12-27T17:36:47 < kakimir> in terms of resistance
2015-12-27T17:36:51 < kakimir> and current
2015-12-27T17:36:55 < dongs> open up digieky and find out?
2015-12-27T17:37:01 < dongs> isntead of assburgering
2015-12-27T17:39:01 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CDRH2D18%2FLDNP-3R3NC/308-1960-1-ND/3947116 apparently this
2015-12-27T17:39:48 < dongs> 2.1A is pretty nice.
2015-12-27T17:39:51 < dongs> k bbl
2015-12-27T17:40:57 < kakimir> sumida?
2015-12-27T17:41:30 < kakimir> what is the percentage of saturation current you may actually use=
2015-12-27T17:41:53 < kakimir> so that inductor is fully effective
2015-12-27T17:43:17 < kakimir> around 100% at 25C ?
2015-12-27T17:44:11 < kakimir> where you have so small bucks dongs you need to use little piss inductor?
2015-12-27T17:44:46 < kakimir> instead of 8x8 or 10x10
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2015-12-27T17:47:52 < kakimir> some flying things?
2015-12-27T17:53:20 < Tectu> dongs, do you put all your components in one library or do you just remove the stock ones from the path?
2015-12-27T17:54:20 < Tectu> dongs, or can you create libraries of libraries?
2015-12-27T17:55:32 < kakimir> dongs:
2015-12-27T17:55:34 < kakimir> VLF302515MT-3R3M
2015-12-27T17:55:53 < kakimir> it you need that 3x3 instead of 3.3x3.3
2015-12-27T17:57:20 < kakimir> I use 4.7mm layout for indutor in this one
2015-12-27T17:57:56 < kakimir> may then put some 4mm inductor there
2015-12-27T17:59:44 < kakimir> is there difference between 2.2uH and 3.3uH other than flavour?
2015-12-27T18:00:23 < kakimir> and third of inductance
2015-12-27T18:00:32 < kakimir> in buck application
2015-12-27T18:00:36 < kakimir> how to choose
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2015-12-27T18:16:00 < kakimir> I choose 3.3uH
2015-12-27T18:21:15 < celeron55> you need to compromise between inductance and things that are not inductance
2015-12-27T18:21:53 < celeron55> 3.3uH probably has more unwanted things that are not inductance
2015-12-27T18:22:05 < celeron55> like maybe resistance of capacitance or weight or cost
2015-12-27T18:26:10 < kakimir> resistance of capacitance
2015-12-27T18:26:40 < kakimir> okay lets say we have same resitance and current
2015-12-27T18:26:51 < kakimir> and money aint a thing
2015-12-27T18:27:01 < kakimir> and size is the same
2015-12-27T18:27:23 < kakimir> and datasheet says both are good
2015-12-27T18:27:35 < kakimir> and I'm too lazy to do math
2015-12-27T18:30:03 < kakimir> I think bigger inductance might just be better in terms of efficiency
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2015-12-27T18:57:09 < Getty> http://www.afp.com/es/news/3851495/ 12.000 women...... when he actually earned money to pay them?
2015-12-27T18:59:30 < kakimir> jap school is serious business
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2015-12-27T19:02:27 < kakimir> become head teacher and they buy you a castle and 10 slaves for pleasure
2015-12-27T19:04:01 < Getty> mh that actually does work out, if you expect him todo this since 40 years and assume he sleeps 8 hours and works 8 hours, then he still would have ~10 hours left per women
2015-12-27T19:04:18 < Getty> i just had to calc that yet ;)
2015-12-27T19:04:47 < kakimir> he had multiple at once and in tight pace
2015-12-27T19:04:54 < Getty> oh shit i made a mistake
2015-12-27T19:05:04 < Getty> oh no no, its right its right, yeah
2015-12-27T19:05:18 < Getty> kakimir: "tight" pace huehue
2015-12-27T19:05:54 < kakimir> I think he had home service
2015-12-27T19:06:01 < kakimir> and paid all his money
2015-12-27T19:06:20 < kakimir> that was left after nippon rent and expensive living
2015-12-27T19:06:26 < Getty> well if we would know what such a teacher earns
2015-12-27T19:06:29 < kakimir> every night
2015-12-27T19:06:33 < Getty> we could calculate the price / women
2015-12-27T19:09:22 < kakimir> will i fail 2x2 wson8 soldering?
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2015-12-27T19:12:03 < kakimir> what does mean: POL supply from single or multiple li-ion battery?
2015-12-27T19:12:07 < kakimir> P.O.L?
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2015-12-27T19:53:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUWpFVnlmaEgzWTQ/view?usp=sharing oh that regulator is ridiculously small
2015-12-27T19:53:36 < kakimir> next to 4.7mm inductor
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2015-12-27T19:58:20 < karlp> what scale is "90mm" dongs? (re that eurofighter vid) is it 90mm to 1cm? 9:1 or what?
2015-12-27T20:00:44  * karlp has used 0603 sized inductors for small loads with boost converters, helps to not need much current.
2015-12-27T20:01:01 < karlp> maybe it was 0805, way samller than 3x3 anyway.
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2015-12-27T20:14:02 < Getty> LOL seriously, xmas is the divorce time.... neighbours seems to have a fight
2015-12-27T20:14:20 < Getty> never heard such a fight all year before
2015-12-27T20:14:49 < Steffanx> call them, tell them you can hear them well
2015-12-27T20:15:39 < Getty> why? so that they call up me everytime my soundsystem goes loud? ;)
2015-12-27T20:17:35 < Steffanx> ok, try something else to make them feel more awkward
2015-12-27T20:19:13 < Steffanx> ok R2COM
2015-12-27T20:37:31 < Getty> specific in europe i think through the living so near to each other it is really uncommon to "react" on those kind of accidents
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2015-12-27T20:52:06 < kakimir> is there any one chip charger/balancer solutions available?
2015-12-27T20:52:10 < kakimir> 3cell
2015-12-27T20:53:48 < aandrew> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sprojector-the-first-powerful-mini-tv-projector#/
2015-12-27T20:53:55 < aandrew> there's a kickstarter I really want to see succeed
2015-12-27T20:54:11 < aandrew> they're only 5% funded though, I won't risk $200 to save $50
2015-12-27T20:54:30 < aandrew> native resolution 1080p pico projector
2015-12-27T20:54:32 < aandrew> I want two
2015-12-27T20:55:05 < Steffanx> i trust indiegogo even less than ks
2015-12-27T20:55:40 < BrainDamage> 1kLm won't be too brillant
2015-12-27T20:55:42 < aandrew> oh wait, that's 5006% funded, not 5.006%
2015-12-27T20:55:46 < aandrew> I don't want it too bright
2015-12-27T20:55:50 < aandrew> don't need a 40' projection
2015-12-27T20:56:02 < aandrew> I want two on a tripod fed by USB3 video cards
2015-12-27T20:56:15 < aandrew> can you say dual monitor setup in any hotel room or office?
2015-12-27T20:56:16 < kakimir> is it real?
2015-12-27T20:56:18 < aandrew> that's a contractor's dream
2015-12-27T20:56:27 < aandrew> don't know
2015-12-27T20:56:33 < aandrew> they're supposed to be in massive production right now
2015-12-27T20:56:33 < BrainDamage> i suspect in the future laptops will start bundling projectors
2015-12-27T20:56:36 < aandrew> so I kind of doubt it
2015-12-27T20:56:36 < BrainDamage> or even tablets
2015-12-27T20:56:45 < aandrew> yeah but how the fuck does that work
2015-12-27T20:56:50 < aandrew> you've got to keep the laptop/tablet still
2015-12-27T20:57:06 < BrainDamage> when you work, do you carry it around?
2015-12-27T20:57:20 < BrainDamage> the same problem applies for external projector
2015-12-27T20:57:40 < BrainDamage> unless you feed video in a wireless way
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2015-12-27T21:00:29 < kakimir> have not those projectors been comming to phones and shiet for 5years now?
2015-12-27T21:00:34 < kakimir> I haven't seen one
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2015-12-27T21:02:02 < aandrew> BrainDamage: yes, I envision something that fits into a small pellican case
2015-12-27T21:02:10 < aandrew> no, don't need wireless
2015-12-27T21:02:43 < aandrew> pellican case holds a small 3 outlet power bar, usb3 hub, 10' or 15' usb3 cable, the projectors, a small tripod and the electronics
2015-12-27T21:02:44 < BrainDamage> no, i mean, while working, the actual work platform is stationary
2015-12-27T21:02:58 < BrainDamage> you don't type while holding the laptop in your arms ... typically
2015-12-27T21:03:04 < aandrew> yes, you set up the tripod to either go over your shoulder (behind you) or beside you up at a wall with the desk
2015-12-27T21:03:54 < aandrew> I've used the hotel room tv as a second monitor many times but it sucks becuase 90% of them are 720p or have some goofy fucking blocking circuitry that forces you to use their shit remote that has no way to switch inputs
2015-12-27T21:04:30 < aandrew> doesn't have to be super high quality video, 90% of the time it's circuit work or programming so any wall will do
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2015-12-27T21:07:36 < mtbg> hi
2015-12-27T21:08:39 < mitrax> Are the  STM32F0 gpio internal pullup suited for I²C? or do i need external resistors, 100Khz speed just one slave
2015-12-27T21:14:26 < tecdroid> in any case, externals won't hurt XD
2015-12-27T21:15:56 < mitrax> they're supposed to be 40K
2015-12-27T21:16:31 < mitrax> thanks
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2015-12-27T21:34:36 < jpa-> mitrax: the internal 40k is probably too weak for 100kHz
2015-12-27T21:34:47 < jpa-> IIRC the i2c spec is somewhere around 1-10k
2015-12-27T21:40:51 < upgrdman> any way to make windows auto-save screenshots?
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2015-12-27T21:52:14 < BrainDamage> trojan will do it for you
2015-12-27T21:53:14 < upgrdman> heh. no i mean, when i press the PrintScreen button, it saves a PNG to my desktop or some other folder.
2015-12-27T21:53:20 < upgrdman> like os x does :)
2015-12-27T21:53:33 < ReadError> OSX has the bestest screencapture
2015-12-27T21:56:53 < Fleck> woohooo: http://fleck.rullz.lv/skatcam/viewcam.php?cam=4
2015-12-27T21:56:57 < Fleck> winter came :D
2015-12-27T22:00:26 < kakimir> now?
2015-12-27T22:01:00 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysC8thRExaA&feature=youtu.be&t=5
2015-12-27T22:01:01 < Fleck> yep, todaty :D
2015-12-27T22:01:04 < ReadError> 'japs'
2015-12-27T22:01:12 < ReadError> or russians rather
2015-12-27T22:01:55 < kakimir> jap books
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2015-12-27T22:12:10 < BrainDamage> an unescorted tank gets wasted
2015-12-27T22:13:07 < kakimir> but have they succeed with exsoskeletons or anything yet?
2015-12-27T22:13:09 < kakimir> no
2015-12-27T22:13:30 < BrainDamage> a robot with humanoid capabilities can explore terrain and cover ambush locations like a human
2015-12-27T22:13:38 < kakimir> there would be civil applications
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2015-12-27T22:14:02 < BrainDamage> it's only  1.5 times the spectators
2015-12-27T22:14:12 < BrainDamage> doesn't seem that insane to me
2015-12-27T22:15:25 < BrainDamage> humanoids don't scale up well
2015-12-27T22:16:09 < BrainDamage> also not even tanks, after WWII people noticed a medium sized tanks mounts a gun that can wipe out everything
2015-12-27T22:16:21 < BrainDamage> so no more gigantic slow machines
2015-12-27T22:19:08 < ReadError> ehhh problem is its easy to drop one
2015-12-27T22:19:14 < ReadError> fuck up 1 leg and its useless
2015-12-27T22:19:45 < ReadError> eh the turret and gun still work
2015-12-27T22:19:50 < ReadError> humanoid just falls on its face
2015-12-27T22:20:21 < ReadError> look bro ive seen transformers, im kind of an expert in this field
2015-12-27T22:21:29 < ReadError> tank can just blast its way through things
2015-12-27T22:22:14 < ReadError> how big of a bipedal robot you talking about?
2015-12-27T22:22:23 < ReadError> i rather have a hexapod style one
2015-12-27T22:22:30 < ReadError> more redundancy
2015-12-27T22:24:27 < ReadError> yea but think about firing off  huge loads
2015-12-27T22:24:30 < ReadError> stability
2015-12-27T22:26:17 < ReadError> sure but one exist and works and the other doesnt
2015-12-27T22:26:34 < ReadError> tanks
2015-12-27T22:26:46 < ReadError> look at the robot competitions with bipedal robots
2015-12-27T22:26:52 < ReadError> they fall over like tards
2015-12-27T22:27:28 < ReadError> i would rather have 10 trained humans
2015-12-27T22:27:31 < ReadError> than 1 mech
2015-12-27T22:28:40 < ReadError> what about 7 trained humans with exo skeletons
2015-12-27T22:29:21 < ReadError> okay, 4 humans and 3 drones
2015-12-27T22:29:26 < ReadError> aerials
2015-12-27T22:30:25 < ReadError> okay, 3 humans, 2 drones and something to carpet bomb
2015-12-27T22:30:48 < kakimir> walker-robot assburger is getting intense
2015-12-27T22:33:30 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAja2jp1VjE
2015-12-27T22:33:32 < ReadError> would make more sense to use engine  + hydraulics
2015-12-27T22:34:20 < upgrdman> dongs, http://imgur.com/UnjrR7E
2015-12-27T22:36:00 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/k2Pe3l4
2015-12-27T22:37:59 < PaulFertser> Why not diesel engine + generator like it's done on most really big vehicles?
2015-12-27T22:40:16 < PaulFertser> Heh, no. I only noticed relatively huge wheels.
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2015-12-27T22:44:05 < PaulFertser> "Electric TBL tugs are gaining popularity among general aviation operators and FBOs as an alternative to gas-/diesel-powered, conventional tugs. Being electric- as opposed to internal combustion-powered, electric tugs are low-emission, a major advantage for environmentally-conscious operators. Also, this enables the tug to be safely operated inside a closed hangar."
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2015-12-27T22:46:05 < PaulFertser> Interesting stuff
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2015-12-27T23:06:01 < upgrdman> lol @ 2:10 ... huge banan jacks
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2015-12-27T23:06:20 < celeron55> seems quite low tech
2015-12-27T23:06:36 < upgrdman> also "emo" e-stop button. lulz
2015-12-27T23:09:02 < kakimir> friend bought one machine that had batteries boiled up
2015-12-27T23:09:23 < kakimir> it's easily 1500eur to get it moving again
2015-12-27T23:12:49 < rewolff> There is also the JP100, a bigger version.
2015-12-27T23:15:51 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/dZhGmGCn2qM                  -              https://youtu.be/5pCws_qsJCs
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2015-12-27T23:18:31 < kakimir> that's trippy
2015-12-27T23:18:45 < celeron55> it looks terrifying
2015-12-27T23:19:10 < kakimir> agressive?
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2015-12-27T23:19:23 < Rob235> haha
2015-12-27T23:19:44 < Steffanx> Rob235 is french?
2015-12-27T23:19:59 < Rob235> ? no
2015-12-27T23:20:10 < Steffanx> What is that in that video? It sounds french
2015-12-27T23:20:10 < Rob235> I think I can get a better effect with a different animation but i'll save that for next year
2015-12-27T23:20:21 < Rob235> not sure what I was watching, it was the tv
2015-12-27T23:20:25 < Steffanx> ah :)
2015-12-27T23:20:40 < Rob235> forgot to remove sound from the video
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2015-12-28T00:16:32 < zyp> of course, breakpoints is limited by the debugging core on the chip
2015-12-28T00:17:21 < zyp> unless your debugging software edits the program to insert bkpt instructions and reflashes the chip
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2015-12-28T00:22:36 < kakimir> i'm facing ultimate questions in electronics design again
2015-12-28T00:22:55 < kakimir> which way to put V+ and GND
2015-12-28T00:23:05 < kakimir> V+ to right or left
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2015-12-28T00:23:10 < zyp> what kind of connector?
2015-12-28T00:23:18 < kakimir> no connector
2015-12-28T00:23:22 < kakimir> free hanging
2015-12-28T00:23:24 < kakimir> one
2015-12-28T00:23:33 < zyp> who fucking cares then?
2015-12-28T00:23:57 < kakimir> okay. I look it for a while and make a decision
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2015-12-28T00:32:24 < emeb> V+ always goes clockwise from GND
2015-12-28T00:32:43 < emeb> you can orient your clock anyway you want
2015-12-28T00:34:59 < kakimir> emeb: interesting
2015-12-28T00:35:05 < kakimir> thanks for sharing
2015-12-28T00:35:21  * emeb is being "helpful" :P
2015-12-28T00:35:35 < kakimir> is helping assburgering to happen
2015-12-28T00:35:41 < emeb> lol
2015-12-28T00:35:48 < kakimir> but now I have something to look for
2015-12-28T00:35:51 < emeb> overthinking
2015-12-28T00:38:14 < upgrdman> rob235: are those vhs tapes on your bookshelf?
2015-12-28T00:43:12 < emeb> betamax
2015-12-28T00:43:13 < upgrdman> where vhs tapes a thing in europe to, or did they use beta?
2015-12-28T00:43:43 < emeb> SECAM encoded
2015-12-28T00:45:37 < upgrdman> my fagbook pro has only been on ebay for a day and it already near $1000
2015-12-28T00:45:55 < upgrdman> not bad for a 2013 laptop
2015-12-28T00:46:15 < kakimir> url
2015-12-28T00:46:32 < upgrdman> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-MacBook-Pro-Retina-15-i7-16GB-512GB-Excellent-Condition-FREE-SHIPPING-/221978491871
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2015-12-28T00:47:14 < kakimir> nice
2015-12-28T00:47:18 < kakimir> why you selling?
2015-12-28T00:47:27 < upgrdman> got a surface bro 4
2015-12-28T00:47:27 < kakimir> got even better?
2015-12-28T00:47:38 < kakimir> got something shitier
2015-12-28T00:47:56 < upgrdman> that old macbook pro is actually more powerful than this new surface pro 4. but the macbook pro couldn't do 4k60 so it had to go
2015-12-28T00:48:20 < Steffanx> Free shippin my arse. ebay makes it $32 to dutchland
2015-12-28T00:48:21 < kakimir> in video it all about hardware extensions
2015-12-28T00:48:30 < upgrdman> Steffanx, free ship to usa :)
2015-12-28T00:51:15 < Steffanx> 100% positive feed back with 117 items sold? Not bad :)
2015-12-28T00:53:24 < upgrdman> wow. didn't realize i've sold that many things. lol
2015-12-28T00:53:37 < upgrdman> most of it was RC shit from when i was getting out of RC
2015-12-28T00:54:13 < Steffanx> Hmm, you failed doing that? You're still into RC not?
2015-12-28T00:54:22 < upgrdman> well i have a few RC toys left
2015-12-28T00:54:24 < upgrdman> but
2015-12-28T00:54:28 < upgrdman> i used to have lots.
2015-12-28T00:54:59 < kakimir> I have used way too much money on RC toys
2015-12-28T00:55:00 < upgrdman> i think at one point i had like 10 rc cars (mix of electric and nitro) 7 helis (mix of electric and nitro) and 3 planes (also mix of electric and nitro)
2015-12-28T00:55:36 < upgrdman> now im down to like 2 indoor quads, and 2 ccpm 450 helis that i dont fly and no longer even have batteries for.
2015-12-28T00:58:40 < kakimir> 10cars, 7helis, 3planes?
2015-12-28T00:58:56 < kakimir> that is equalent of some pile of money
2015-12-28T00:59:29 < kakimir> I have had 4planes of my own
2015-12-28T00:59:57 < upgrdman> i used to work in a hobby shop. got many deals from customers. we didn't sell used stuff, but some customers would come in deparate for money so they can feed their drug habit or whatever, and sell employees RC shit for pennies on the dollar
2015-12-28T00:59:57 < kakimir> first one was glass fiber ducted fan :D
2015-12-28T01:01:44 < kakimir> also best I had
2015-12-28T01:01:57 < upgrdman> i think i miss this rc heli the most. i got it tuned just right. flew wonderfully. i upgrades all the weak parts to where a bad crash would only cost me blades/flybar/spindle. http://www.farrellf.com/projects/art/2008-04-28_Swept_Back_Triangles_RC_Heli_Canopy/stripes_overview2.jpg
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2015-12-28T01:09:47 < Laurenceb_> proof of emdrive?? http://arxiv.org/pdf/1512.01130v1.pdf
2015-12-28T01:09:49 < Laurenceb_>  /troll
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2015-12-28T02:18:38 < Laurenceb_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shieldapparel/shield-the-world-s-first-signal-proof-headwear
2015-12-28T02:19:38 < upgrdman> "electromagnetic smog"  lol
2015-12-28T02:22:07 < kakimir> they are implying it's dangerous
2015-12-28T02:22:27 < kakimir> totally
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2015-12-28T02:49:05 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZ3hVVWZSczhMVnc/view?usp=sharing I start working it down from these dimensions
2015-12-28T02:49:29 < kakimir> hope to get 2mm / 4mm out of it before it's ready
2015-12-28T02:49:59 < PeterM> upgrdman, these guys make some nice LV, high current plugs/sockets http://dinse-us.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/07/DINSE_Plugs_Sockets_US.pdf
2015-12-28T02:51:00 < kakimir> I have those from welding inverter
2015-12-28T02:51:05 < kakimir> mobile unit
2015-12-28T02:51:28 < PeterM> kakimir, yes, industry standard connectors
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2015-12-28T03:08:33 < upgrdman> PeterM, was that meant for me? i dont recall this topic
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2015-12-28T03:12:28 < kakimir> maybe he is preparing you to something future stuff
2015-12-28T03:12:41 < upgrdman> lol
2015-12-28T03:14:59 < kakimir> out of sync
2015-12-28T03:15:31 < kakimir> you were to ask the question week later
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2015-12-28T03:16:03 < kakimir> hah
2015-12-28T03:16:15 < kakimir> chinese own hollywood
2015-12-28T03:17:57 < PeterM> upgrdman,
2015-12-28T03:17:58 < PeterM> [07:46] <R2COM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7ge3sPBt3I
2015-12-28T03:17:58 < PeterM> [08:06] <upgrdman> lol @ 2:10 ... huge banan jacks
2015-12-28T03:18:06 < upgrdman> oh yes. thanks.
2015-12-28T03:24:08 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-12-28T03:24:24 < dongs> karlp: 90mm is the EDF opening i think
2015-12-28T03:27:50 < kakimir> fan size actually
2015-12-28T03:32:17 < upgrdman> lol. sand niggers...  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=793_1451171830
2015-12-28T03:34:12 < kakimir> POL supply = point of load supply
2015-12-28T03:34:23 < kakimir> means scattered supply scheme?
2015-12-28T03:34:45 < kakimir> where low voltages are created at exact location of board where needed
2015-12-28T03:34:47 < kakimir> ?
2015-12-28T03:36:05 < kakimir> where they use such? everywhere nowdays?
2015-12-28T03:41:37 < kakimir> isn't it also about having one voltage line or plane that goes everywhere
2015-12-28T03:41:47 < kakimir> instead of 5 of them
2015-12-28T03:41:58 < kakimir> supply all from +5V
2015-12-28T03:42:46 < kakimir> 95% of these ultrasmall bucks have input max of 5.5
2015-12-28T03:53:36 < Getty> Fury is an awkward movie
2015-12-28T03:54:14 < Getty> i cant say its bad, its... really good but something is odd, like you wait for something to happen and than the movie is over before that "something" happens
2015-12-28T03:56:15 < upgrdman> wtf is fury about?
2015-12-28T03:59:26 < Getty> upgrdman: about a tank in ww2
2015-12-28T03:59:37 < Getty> upgrdman: its like saving private ryan but with a tank
2015-12-28T03:59:38 < Getty> ;-)
2015-12-28T04:00:05 < upgrdman> the tank side
2015-12-28T04:00:08 < Getty> well americans of course ;)
2015-12-28T04:00:45 < upgrdman> so is Fury some movie about raging homosexual tank crews?
2015-12-28T04:01:07 < Getty> its really good, totally worth it, its just very confusing to have no real primary story line
2015-12-28T04:01:25 < Getty> imagine saving private ryan but without the introduction why they are going around and without the end
2015-12-28T04:01:33 < upgrdman> maybe that's intentional. to depict how war appears to the tankers
2015-12-28T04:02:26 < upgrdman> one day theyre 17, jacking off in their basements. next day theyre deployed to some shit hole and get to kill people or be killed.
2015-12-28T04:05:07 < Getty> Battle of Easting........
2015-12-28T04:05:19 < Getty> the biggest tank battle in history, Iraq War
2015-12-28T04:05:49 < Getty> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_73_Easting
2015-12-28T04:06:25 < Getty> yeah or do i remember wrong?
2015-12-28T04:07:42 < Getty> i might have stored that wrong in my brain ;)
2015-12-28T04:08:46 < Getty> yeah probably.....
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2015-12-28T04:10:27 < Getty> i played for sure too much battlefield ;)
2015-12-28T04:15:03 < Getty> awkward, i remember somehow that in the past there was actually the friendly fire count on the page of the battle of eastings wikipedia page
2015-12-28T04:15:19 < Getty> you remmeber that too?
2015-12-28T04:15:26 < Getty> that it was there on the page?
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2015-12-28T04:15:42 < Getty> yeah if i remember correctly it was written that the majority of loses were actually friendly fire
2015-12-28T04:15:52 < Getty> also american vs american
2015-12-28T04:15:53 < PeterM> yeah thats almost as bad as flathead screws on a flight data recorder!
2015-12-28T04:15:57 < Getty> M1A1 is just too easy to use ;)
2015-12-28T04:16:49 < upgrdman> PeterM, what wrong with fh screws on a fdr?
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2015-12-28T04:23:12 < Getty> what is really fun is documentation material about french tanks
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2015-12-28T04:25:21 < Getty> he? doesnt look like
2015-12-28T04:26:02 < Getty> more like kids, as usual for german military equipment ;-)
2015-12-28T04:26:42 < Getty> why the americans couldn't use the german tanks? They didnt fit into the kid-seat
2015-12-28T04:27:47 < Getty> Battle of Walmart
2015-12-28T04:28:19 < Getty> "The casulaties are going into the millions! and that was only the first sales day!"
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2015-12-28T05:19:26 < englishman> PeterM: lol flathead screws
2015-12-28T05:20:23 < englishman> topical humour
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2015-12-28T05:35:37 < upgrdman> englishman, i didnt get it. why is it funny?
2015-12-28T05:41:13 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlGsIt9fZs8 because
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2015-12-28T06:00:48 < Getty> hardcore, myabandonware has now a webversion of dosbox integrated to play the old dos games directly in browser
2015-12-28T06:00:55 < Getty> we are living in the future!
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2015-12-28T06:05:17 < Getty> someone here played Imperium ever?
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2015-12-28T06:20:55 < dongs> is there an internet of dicks mousetrap yet
2015-12-28T06:21:00 < dongs> with bluetooth notifications to app
2015-12-28T06:21:44 < dongs> http://www.bytejam.com/insights/2015/11/06/the-internet-of-things-mousetraps-and-supply-chain-contraptions/
2015-12-28T06:21:47 < dongs> ownt.
2015-12-28T06:21:51 < dongs> that fucking font
2015-12-28T06:21:53 < dongs> in the blog
2015-12-28T06:21:56 < dongs> is absoultely unreadable
2015-12-28T06:23:51 < Rob235> its my favorite font
2015-12-28T06:25:04 < dongs> ACHTUNG MAUS
2015-12-28T06:25:09 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNgkTqbTA9w
2015-12-28T06:25:46 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/dZhGmGCn2qM
2015-12-28T06:28:27 < dongs> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-distracted-electronic-device-falls-cliff-dies-article-1.2477250
2015-12-28T06:28:30 < dongs> natural selection at work
2015-12-28T06:30:19 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iKQMkWL.png
2015-12-28T06:33:03 < dongs> lots of things burning in japan today
2015-12-28T06:33:12 < dongs> some bus burning and some building on afternoon news
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2015-12-28T06:53:15 < PeterM> shit yeah i do, form 1967-1993
2015-12-28T06:53:59 < PeterM> nope, you?
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2015-12-28T06:55:35 < PeterM> nothing, it was a joke
2015-12-28T06:55:50 < PeterM> su 24 mfgd 1967-1993
2015-12-28T06:55:55 < PeterM> that was joke
2015-12-28T06:55:58 < PeterM> dumb commie
2015-12-28T06:57:47 < PeterM> nah, too muich variety on my genes to be inbred
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2015-12-28T06:58:46 < dongs> super cool convo bros
2015-12-28T06:59:00 < dongs> what's innovating
2015-12-28T06:59:57 < PeterM> nothin, on holidays for the next week - did innovate away a bit of drink though
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2015-12-28T07:00:16 < dongs> lol
2015-12-28T07:00:20 < dongs> japs are working all week
2015-12-28T07:00:31 < PeterM> you innovating much dongs? keepin food on the table for wifecop and spawn?
2015-12-28T07:00:33 < englishman> its either that or suicide
2015-12-28T07:00:33 < dongs> i just ordered omse boards
2015-12-28T07:01:10 < dongs> PeterM: yeah thier survival hangs in the hands of this taiwanese guy who buys 10 of my boards per month and puts all the food on the table
2015-12-28T07:01:24 < dongs> er taiwanese^Wfat american
2015-12-28T07:01:25 < PeterM> nice
2015-12-28T07:01:55 < dongs> so when he /ragequit last year because he couldn't figure out how to computer, I had to quickly figure out how else to make profit
2015-12-28T07:01:59 < PeterM> dongs quads dont fly themselves?
2015-12-28T07:03:12 < PeterM> i hear personal computers ae somewhat rare in .jp, ie it is not uncommon for a familyto not have one
2015-12-28T07:03:24 < dongs> totally
2015-12-28T07:03:30 < dongs> japs just stare into thier iphones
2015-12-28T07:04:07 < PeterM> that weirds me out- even geriatrics have computers
2015-12-28T07:04:29 < dongs> i was in jappu computer shop yesterday to pickup screen protector film thing
2015-12-28T07:04:36 < dongs> checked out some of newest tech
2015-12-28T07:04:43 < dongs> not a single laptop with > 4gb ram
2015-12-28T07:04:47 < dongs> not a single i7
2015-12-28T07:04:47 < PeterM> digital fax machinu?
2015-12-28T07:04:51 < dongs> all celerons/i5 trash
2015-12-28T07:05:04 < dongs> not a single one wiht > 1920x1080 screen
2015-12-28T07:05:26 < englishman> mom and pop computer shops are all but extinct
2015-12-28T07:05:29 < dongs> and they were  expensive as shit
2015-12-28T07:05:38 < dongs> englishman: eh, this is bic camera which is kinda big i guess
2015-12-28T07:05:40 < PeterM> jesus
2015-12-28T07:06:15 < englishman> if it was a big shop, then I bet none were more than $1000 either
2015-12-28T07:06:20 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bic_Camera
2015-12-28T07:06:25 < dongs> englishman: wut.
2015-12-28T07:06:33 < dongs> 1500-1800$ that i remember
2015-12-28T07:06:41 < englishman> yikes
2015-12-28T07:06:42 < dongs> didnt look much really, they were all super low trash spec
2015-12-28T07:07:00 < PeterM> over here, like englishman said, all big box stores only sell trash $250-$999 laptops
2015-12-28T07:08:01 < dongs> lets see their online thing
2015-12-28T07:08:21 < dongs> http://www.biccamera.com/bc/disp/CSfDispListPage_001.jsp?dispNo=001100010&sort=05
2015-12-28T07:08:25 < dongs> yeah
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2015-12-28T07:08:29 < dongs> 236000 yen lol
2015-12-28T07:08:33 < dongs> 10.1"
2015-12-28T07:08:36 < dongs> panasonic
2015-12-28T07:08:38 < dongs> fucking lol.
2015-12-28T07:08:48 < dongs> http://www.biccamera.com/bc/disp/CSfGoodsPage_001.jsp?GOODS_NO=3231283
2015-12-28T07:09:08 < dongs> at least has 8gb ram
2015-12-28T07:09:50 < PeterM> dafuq there are still laptops wiht optical drives
2015-12-28T07:10:01 < dongs> lol japan
2015-12-28T07:10:37 < dongs> http://www.biccamera.com/bc/disp/CSfDispListPage_001.jsp?dispNo=001100010&sort=03&type=&rowPerPage= sorted by price
2015-12-28T07:10:52 < dongs> so yeah tons of > $1000 laptops
2015-12-28T07:11:05 < PeterM> indeed, looks very mechanically weak, almost looks murican
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2015-12-28T07:15:26 < PeterM> the video i linked that is full teardown, but is so poorly constructed i can't believe it to be real
2015-12-28T07:16:58 < PeterM> next thing you know FDR teardown with asssberypie
2015-12-28T07:17:53 < PeterM> that type of wire looming though is typical of minitary stuff, but the rest of the thing looks rubbish
2015-12-28T07:31:57 < dongs> duno man
2015-12-28T07:31:59 < dongs> how old is that board
2015-12-28T07:32:01 < dongs> it looks like trash
2015-12-28T07:32:45 < upgrdman> typical american car  http://i.imgur.com/uanj4tA.gifv
2015-12-28T07:34:37 < upgrdman> dongs, is this you riding your bike in japan?  http://i.imgur.com/kWsc6l2.gifv
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2015-12-28T07:36:25 < dongs> target fixation at work
2015-12-28T07:37:10 < dongs> i watched like half of furious 7 the other day
2015-12-28T07:37:13 < dongs> couldnt even finsih it
2015-12-28T07:37:19 < dongs> it was so fucking awful
2015-12-28T07:37:25 < dongs> whats the target audience for this trash
2015-12-28T07:37:32 < dongs> 13 years olds who like japanese cars????
2015-12-28T07:37:34 < englishman> just like the last 5
2015-12-28T07:37:43 < dongs> i havent seenthose either
2015-12-28T07:37:59 < englishman> you haven't seen Tokyo drift???
2015-12-28T07:38:10 < englishman> I watch it every morning
2015-12-28T07:38:17 < englishman> After initial d
2015-12-28T07:38:21 < dongs> if I have, i dont remember anything about it
2015-12-28T07:38:57 < upgrdman> which was the last FAF that had the lead actor it in? the one that killed himself in his douche car accident.
2015-12-28T07:39:07 < dongs> thats the one
2015-12-28T07:39:14 < dongs> i guess  i didnt get to the part where they had to CGI him in
2015-12-28T07:39:17 < upgrdman> 7 had him?
2015-12-28T07:39:20 < dongs> yes
2015-12-28T07:39:22 < upgrdman> ah
2015-12-28T07:39:38 < dongs> i duno what the story was i remember reading somewehre they were gonna CGI him in at saome point
2015-12-28T07:39:42 < dongs> because they d idnt have enough shit filmed
2015-12-28T07:53:03 < PeterM> upgrdman, gif mashup http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1448396154834.webm
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2015-12-28T07:54:18 < upgrdman> PeterM, very nice
2015-12-28T07:55:07 < PeterM> upgrdman, entire thread 4 u http://boards.4chan.org/wsg/thread/876072
2015-12-28T08:00:06 < dongs> i'm too pro for 4chan
2015-12-28T08:00:27 < upgrdman> nice
2015-12-28T08:00:31 < upgrdman> i never understood 4chan
2015-12-28T08:00:37 < upgrdman> guess i should give it a shot.
2015-12-28T08:02:19 < PeterM> decent browser extensions make things more reasable, like seeing replies and shit
2015-12-28T08:07:57 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1451086692083.webm
2015-12-28T08:07:58 < PeterM> as they crash:
2015-12-28T08:07:58 < PeterM> >Welp, now we're swimming
2015-12-28T08:07:58 < PeterM> >damnit
2015-12-28T08:07:58 < PeterM> >so where are we swimming?
2015-12-28T08:07:58 < PeterM> >to the fucking coast
2015-12-28T08:07:58 < PeterM> >straight ahead
2015-12-28T08:07:59 < PeterM> >stop turning the wheel
2015-12-28T08:09:13 < dongs> lfamo @ river landing
2015-12-28T08:10:55 < dongs> haha
2015-12-28T08:11:14 < dongs> take the exit at the left
2015-12-28T08:16:51 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1451171467971.webm
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2015-12-28T08:34:48 < upgrdman> how are the number of bins for a DFT determined? i recall it being related to sample rate.
2015-12-28T08:39:53 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1451069055755.webm Laurenceb found, 10/10 can confirm
2015-12-28T08:43:13 < upgrdman> R2COM, hmm
2015-12-28T08:43:35 < upgrdman> R2COM, isn't the number of bins half the number of samples in the ft?
2015-12-28T08:43:51 < upgrdman> e.g. 1000 samples, so 500 bins, spread for -Fs to +Fs ?
2015-12-28T08:45:55 < upgrdman> ok
2015-12-28T08:46:35 < upgrdman> if i sample at 1kSPS, and i look at a window of 1000 samples (1 second's worth of samples) ... how many bins do i have?
2015-12-28T08:46:45 < upgrdman> i assume i have 500 bins?
2015-12-28T08:47:05 < upgrdman> and those bins are evenly spaced from -500Hz to +500Hz?
2015-12-28T08:47:15 < upgrdman> so each bin is 2Hz wide?
2015-12-28T08:48:21 < upgrdman> what's deltaW
2015-12-28T08:49:37 < upgrdman> so for my example it'd be 2pi/1000 = 0.00628
2015-12-28T08:54:17 < upgrdman> not really. :(
2015-12-28T08:54:27 < upgrdman> i should have majored in EE
2015-12-28T08:55:18 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-28T08:55:48 < upgrdman> <= is "less than or equal to" right?
2015-12-28T08:56:11 < upgrdman> or some gay verilog style assignment op :)
2015-12-28T08:56:31 < upgrdman> k
2015-12-28T08:57:54 < upgrdman> and what happens if it > ? weird aliasing?
2015-12-28T09:00:11 < upgrdman> R2COM, coulds your equation be simplied to 1/(N*T) <= deltaF ?
2015-12-28T09:00:22 < upgrdman> 2pi is on both sides
2015-12-28T09:01:34 < upgrdman> so. lemme see if i get this right.
2015-12-28T09:02:18 < upgrdman> if N = 1000 samples, and those samples at T=1ms apart... 1/(1000*0.001) ... 1 <= deltaF?
2015-12-28T09:02:36 < upgrdman> so bins should be 1Hz or wider?
2015-12-28T09:03:21 < upgrdman> for for max spectral resolution, i must pick a bin width of 1Hz?
2015-12-28T09:04:07 < upgrdman> ya ya i know :)
2015-12-28T09:04:37 < upgrdman> but if i pick of bin width of 5Hz, wouldn't I possibly miss stuff?
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2015-12-28T09:12:46 < upgrdman> R2COM, oh shit that clean up my DFT a lot.
2015-12-28T09:13:05 < upgrdman> no more upside down UUUUUUU in my plot :)
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2015-12-28T09:13:56 < upgrdman> this DFT:
2015-12-28T09:13:57 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/delta_sigma_adc_simulation2.png
2015-12-28T09:14:15 < upgrdman> see all the ripples? they go away when i use proper size bin width
2015-12-28T09:14:23 < upgrdman> i was using way too small size of bins
2015-12-28T09:14:42 < upgrdman> 1/NT = binWidthInHz
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2015-12-28T09:27:58 < dongs> llol
2015-12-28T09:47:19 < upgrdman> R2COM, you see this yet? http://i.imgur.com/uanj4tA.gifv
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2015-12-28T10:24:09 < dongs> i need to purchase a precision-ish desktop scale
2015-12-28T10:24:15 < dongs> with tare/count feature
2015-12-28T10:24:18 < dongs> ne ideaz
2015-12-28T10:24:29 < zyp> ask some stoners
2015-12-28T10:24:32 < dongs> haha
2015-12-28T10:24:40 < Rob235_> max weight?
2015-12-28T10:24:44 < dongs> yeah im sure they need to precvision measure weed
2015-12-28T10:24:49 < dongs> Rob235_: <= 5kg would be nice
2015-12-28T10:24:54 < dongs> not more than that
2015-12-28T10:25:15 < dongs> i have some chinq one but it only goes to 200gram
2015-12-28T10:25:21 < Rob235_> ahh no idea then, I think mine maxes at 300g
2015-12-28T10:25:26 < dongs> yeah same shit, its too small
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2015-12-28T10:27:00 < Rob235_> ahh, glad I took a break from the drone, just got a lot done, its not driving me crazy anymore
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2015-12-28T10:28:32 < Rob235_> a precise 5kg scale sounds expensive
2015-12-28T10:28:47 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007FHLBE0 yiss
2015-12-28T10:28:54 < dongs> yeah i think i'm gonna have to downgrade to 1kg
2015-12-28T10:29:48 < dongs> k just measured osme of the shit i needto weigh and none is > 800grams
2015-12-28T10:29:50 < dongs> so yeah 1kg
2015-12-28T10:30:07 < dongs> like 1kg / 0.1g or 0.01g accuracy should be enough
2015-12-28T10:30:45 < Rob235_> mine is .01g but like I said, 300g (or might be 200)
2015-12-28T10:30:52 < Rob235_> it was like $20
2015-12-28T10:31:01 < dongs> my is some chinq shit
2015-12-28T10:31:14 < dongs> 300g x0.01g
2015-12-28T10:31:21 < dongs> probvlqyt same shit
2015-12-28T10:31:31 < Rob235_> palmscale?
2015-12-28T10:31:44 < Rob235_> from my weigh
2015-12-28T10:32:27 < dongs> does yours fold like a book
2015-12-28T10:32:30 < dongs> for top cover
2015-12-28T10:33:29 < Rob235_> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51hgAQQNIBL._AC_UL320_SR226,320_.jpg
2015-12-28T10:34:33 < dongs> ya diff
2015-12-28T10:34:36 < dongs> but same style UI
2015-12-28T10:34:39 < dongs> probly differet chin box
2015-12-28T10:34:40 < dongs> chink
2015-12-28T10:35:58 < dongs> I know what i want will cost > $100 but im not finding anything but shitty fucking kitchen scales
2015-12-28T10:36:01 < dongs> ugh
2015-12-28T10:36:42 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/111840002243 lol
2015-12-28T10:37:26 < dongs> ohh
2015-12-28T10:38:00 < Rob235_> ok so I ported 1300 lines of code from arduino and haven't tested any of it yet.  what are the chances that it will work first try?
2015-12-28T10:38:09 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/311375897638 this looks better
2015-12-28T10:38:13 < dongs> > arduino
2015-12-28T10:38:18 < dongs> i hope it explodes your board
2015-12-28T10:39:22 < Rob235_> most of it is i2c commands so if the i2c works then the rest should too
2015-12-28T10:39:39 < PeterM> https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10015680/2983400-mh-555-kitchen-digital-electronic-scale-w-2-15 this has a "PCS" button but doesnt mention counting funciton
2015-12-28T10:40:12 < dongs> pcs is counting
2015-12-28T10:40:15 < PeterM> https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10012006/2050007-i-2000-3000g-x-0-1g-digital-scale-w-weighing-tray also has PCS button]
2015-12-28T10:40:15 < dongs> thats waht its called on my shit
2015-12-28T10:40:25 < dongs> thats too cheap
2015-12-28T10:40:49 < PeterM> tis just a straingague and soem opamps bro
2015-12-28T10:44:09 < dongs> i know how it works
2015-12-28T10:48:01 < dongs> https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10000917/1393801-18-lcd-portable-digital-scale-with-large-platform
2015-12-28T10:48:04 < dongs> thats nice
2015-12-28T10:48:07 < dongs> mmm
2015-12-28T10:48:13 < dongs> even comes with a tray
2015-12-28T10:48:16 < dongs> only 500gram tho
2015-12-28T10:48:21 < PeterM> https://www.fasttech.com/products/1410/10005055/1397604-crh-215-1-4-lcd-precision-dual-weighing-modes
2015-12-28T10:52:18 < PeterM> ^ that one is 0.05g to 1000g, then 0.1g to 2000g, comes with tray/cover
2015-12-28T10:52:24 < PeterM> has counting
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2015-12-28T11:10:08 < dongs> damn
2015-12-28T11:10:16 < dongs> charging this 2Ah batt is gonna take 13 hours
2015-12-28T11:10:34 < dongs> the charger in this thing was made for like 300mAh
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2015-12-28T11:13:38 < Rob235_> can you use all 16 dma streams?
2015-12-28T11:15:50 < dongs> i dont think youre gonna find enough non-overlapping peripherals
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2015-12-28T11:16:52 < Rob235_> yea I dont need 16, more like 6 or 7, just wondering if there was a limit to how many you could use at a time.
2015-12-28T11:17:25 < dongs> DMA section in RM covers it
2015-12-28T11:17:32 < dongs> i never had to look it up
2015-12-28T11:17:37 < dongs> cuz you run out of peripherals way faster
2015-12-28T11:18:25 < dongs> hmm
2015-12-28T11:18:31 < dongs> i got some thin 1S lipo batts
2015-12-28T11:18:38 < dongs> should I drive a nail through them
2015-12-28T11:19:24 < dongs> http://u.dianyuan.com/bbs/u/68/2228941217809725.pdf this chip is on battery protector pcb
2015-12-28T11:20:15 < Rob235_> what do you do if a battery puffs up?
2015-12-28T11:20:56 < dongs> before or after a nail is through it?
2015-12-28T11:21:05 < Rob235_> before
2015-12-28T11:21:20 < dongs> honestly ive not seen 1S cells puff up
2015-12-28T11:21:35 < dongs> and in multi-cell packs its usually one cellthat gets fucked and puffs
2015-12-28T11:21:39 < dongs> and the rest are Okay
2015-12-28T11:21:40 < Rob235_> i meant for me, I have a 4s that for some reason puffed up, never even got to recharge it
2015-12-28T11:21:51 < dongs> did you charge it to max before?
2015-12-28T11:21:54 < dongs> and let it sit?
2015-12-28T11:22:01 < Rob235_> never charged it
2015-12-28T11:22:07 < dongs> it was supposed to come wiht store charge
2015-12-28T11:22:10 < PeterM> i got a stack of cells (4x4s) and every cell is puffed, but all still cycle fine
2015-12-28T11:22:11 < dongs> if it was maxed it would puff up
2015-12-28T11:22:50 < Rob235_> well what do you do with damaged batteries anyway? Find a recycling place or something?
2015-12-28T11:23:03 < dongs> you can throw them in salt water for a few days
2015-12-28T11:23:07 < dongs> to completely discharge
2015-12-28T11:23:09 < PeterM> short em out and when they're flat, toss em in hte garbage
2015-12-28T11:23:20 < PeterM> nah salt water thing is BS
2015-12-28T11:23:26 < dongs> its just to discharge
2015-12-28T11:23:34 < dongs> i duno if you wanna short 70C lipo packs
2015-12-28T11:24:22 < PeterM> just get like 2m of 1mm enameled copepr wire, put it in bucket and short wiht that
2015-12-28T11:24:26 < PeterM> its fine
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2015-12-28T11:24:42 < PeterM> its liek a 0.1ohm 100w resistor
2015-12-28T11:24:54 < Rob235_> dont chargers usually have a discharge function? for getting it to storage voltage? can you fully drain it that way? (I haven't looked at my charger yet)
2015-12-28T11:25:05 < PeterM> nah they ususally cut out at 3v
2015-12-28T11:25:09 < dongs> only storage
2015-12-28T11:25:14 < dongs> at least the 2 that i have
2015-12-28T11:25:26 < PeterM> mine got a discharge btu it cuts out at 3v/celll
2015-12-28T11:25:28 < dongs> or maybe its a menu option i never looked at
2015-12-28T11:25:37 < dongs> i kno there's lipo charge/store/maybe discharge?
2015-12-28T11:25:50 < PeterM> and at 3v they can still pump otu a lot of curent (enough to start a fire)
2015-12-28T11:28:12 < Rob235_> what am I doing, its 4:30.  Gotta go to sleep. I'll figure it out tomorrow.
2015-12-28T11:28:13 < Rob235_> later guys
2015-12-28T11:28:31 < dongs> i also got a puffed 4S 5Ah or so
2015-12-28T11:28:36 < dongs> that one needs a nail through it also
2015-12-28T11:28:45 < dongs> i should tripod my 4K cam and do it
2015-12-28T11:29:36 < PeterM> do a DJI Naza-M style unboxing on it
2015-12-28T11:29:45 < dongs> not sure i wanna be that close to it
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2015-12-28T11:49:30 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35188135
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2015-12-28T16:11:15 < Tectu> so Altera manages to get 320 I/Os with a package that only got 144 pins, neat.   http://www.mouser.ch/ProductDetail/Altera-Corporation/10M16SCE144C8G/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvwLjDpJZyitC76xW02dMVK7Qg%2f%2f7O1XEnZWZk2EaKH%2fw%3d%3d
2015-12-28T16:11:33 < Getty> Tectu: MAGIC
2015-12-28T16:13:05 < Getty> dongs: the lost arm is epic ;)
2015-12-28T16:14:11 < gordonjcp> Tectu: that's clever
2015-12-28T16:14:17 < dongs> not clicking mouser links
2015-12-28T16:14:21 < dongs> whats the fucking part#
2015-12-28T16:14:41 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=10M16SCE144C8G
2015-12-28T16:14:45 < dongs> looks like 101 I/O to me
2015-12-28T16:14:51 < dongs> and mouser FAILS AGAIN
2015-12-28T16:16:50 < Tectu> dongs, at least mouser finds the crap I want when I enter ´max10´ in the serach box
2015-12-28T16:16:55 < Tectu> dongs, digikey failed there already
2015-12-28T16:16:56 < dongs> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2015-12-28T16:17:25 < Getty> oh searches on electronic sites..... 2000 ways to not find
2015-12-28T16:17:48 < dongs> hate to break it 2 u but
2015-12-28T16:17:58 < dongs> "max10" is nowehre in part number or description of altera max10 shits
2015-12-28T16:18:28 < Tectu> dongs, interesting
2015-12-28T16:18:32 < Tectu> dongs, fair enough
2015-12-28T16:18:41 < dongs> also, try searching for MAX® 10
2015-12-28T16:18:48 < dongs> that one brings them all up
2015-12-28T16:18:49 < dongs> ^_^
2015-12-28T16:18:53 < Tectu> lol
2015-12-28T16:18:56 < dongs> cuz its in the series group
2015-12-28T16:19:07 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?FV=ffecb101
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2015-12-28T16:23:53 < ReadMobl> Any good fast multi channel bidirectional ttl IC?
2015-12-28T16:24:16 < ReadMobl> Some I've tried had slow rise/fall
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2015-12-28T16:32:17 < zyp> level translator?
2015-12-28T16:34:01 < ReadMobl> Ya
2015-12-28T16:38:07 < Yoduza> digikey the best
2015-12-28T16:38:50 < Tectu> nope
2015-12-28T16:39:06 < Tectu> each time I order there the package gets stuck at customs for two weeks because they didn´t put the delcaration on the outside of the package
2015-12-28T16:39:15 < Yoduza> :O
2015-12-28T16:39:19 < Tectu> and I get a letter via snail-mail from customs asking for invoice/declaration
2015-12-28T16:39:21 < dongs> you're a dong
2015-12-28T16:39:24 < Tectu> and then I complain at dickkey
2015-12-28T16:39:27 < dongs> move out of third world country
2015-12-28T16:39:28 < Tectu> and they appologize
2015-12-28T16:39:32 < Tectu> and say they will be better next time
2015-12-28T16:39:36 < Tectu> and next time the same cra
2015-12-28T16:39:38 < Tectu> p
2015-12-28T16:39:40 < Tectu> so for me -> mouser
2015-12-28T16:39:41 < Tectu> fuck dickkey
2015-12-28T16:39:47 < dongs> digikey ordered on friday arrives monday to japan
2015-12-28T16:39:49 < Yoduza> customs ? where ?
2015-12-28T16:39:50 < dongs> cant beat that
2015-12-28T16:39:53 < Tectu> dongs, same with mouser
2015-12-28T16:40:14 < Yoduza> dickkey :D
2015-12-28T16:41:12 < Yoduza> gets stuck at customs for two weeks  :O country ?
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2015-12-28T16:41:23 < Tectu> switzerland
2015-12-28T16:41:24 < zyp> Tectu, blame your bullshit country
2015-12-28T16:41:31 < Yoduza> damn
2015-12-28T16:41:41 < Tectu> zyp, not my fault if digikey can´t put the fucking declaration on the outside
2015-12-28T16:41:47 < zyp> digikey and mouser both defaults to UPS, at least for me, so there's no difference in shipping processing there
2015-12-28T16:41:52 < Tectu> zyp, unlike gay countries mine at least doesn´t just open the package w/o asking
2015-12-28T16:41:57 < zyp> Tectu, uh
2015-12-28T16:42:00 < Yoduza> how much cost put the fucking declaration ?
2015-12-28T16:42:02 < Tectu> zyp, yep, that´s why I use mouser
2015-12-28T16:42:32 < zyp> Tectu, of course it's not on the outside of the package, it's pre-declared
2015-12-28T16:42:34 < Yoduza> so, mouser the best ?
2015-12-28T16:42:40 < englishman> Mauser is consistently awful, digikey delivers in 17 hours and has a site that works, no comparison
2015-12-28T16:42:54 < zyp> I'm pretty happy with either
2015-12-28T16:42:59 < Yoduza> hm
2015-12-28T16:43:05 < zyp> but I mostly use digikey
2015-12-28T16:43:27 < Yoduza> I mostly use ali :O
2015-12-28T16:43:48 < Yoduza> there is free shipping
2015-12-28T16:43:59 < ReadMobl> Digikeys parametric search is retarded
2015-12-28T16:44:36 < Yoduza> Digikeys contain sortable table with nice description
2015-12-28T16:44:50 < englishman> Mauser has no search, just a random inventory generator
2015-12-28T16:45:28 < Yoduza> so, Mauser not the best :(
2015-12-28T16:45:42 < Yoduza> what is the best ?
2015-12-28T16:45:56 < zyp> the company that has what you want is the best
2015-12-28T16:46:05 < Yoduza> i think vendors partners the best
2015-12-28T16:46:18 < zyp> I'd say mouser vs digikey is a tie, I use either depending on what I'm getting
2015-12-28T16:46:19 < ReadMobl> Mouser, no tax, PayPal and 6.99 2day
2015-12-28T16:46:29 < Yoduza> who the partner of Altera in EU ?
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2015-12-28T16:46:52 < ReadMobl> Easy choice
2015-12-28T16:47:34 < Yoduza> fucking ali, long time delivery
2015-12-28T16:47:39 < zyp> ali?
2015-12-28T16:47:44 < Yoduza> aliexpress.com
2015-12-28T16:47:47 < zyp> heh
2015-12-28T16:47:51 < Yoduza> ?
2015-12-28T16:48:17 < zyp> you don't fucking use aliexpress for anything serious
2015-12-28T16:48:22 < Yoduza> 45 days delivey avg via free shipping
2015-12-28T16:48:31 < Yoduza> *delivery
2015-12-28T16:48:43 < zyp> are you just into this for fun?
2015-12-28T16:48:46 < zyp> I prefer getting shit done
2015-12-28T16:48:59 < Yoduza> i am learning now
2015-12-28T16:49:01 < zyp> and you get jack shit done when you have to wait 45 days for parts
2015-12-28T16:49:03 < dongs> 45 days would stall a project pretty good
2015-12-28T16:49:33 < BrainDamage> imagine the millions of vias kakimir could place in the meantime
2015-12-28T16:49:39 < Yoduza> so ali - is a shit. Dickkey also, mouser also. Where can i get my likely mcu's and fpga's ?
2015-12-28T16:49:46 < Tectu> zyp, so fuck my customs office then
2015-12-28T16:50:11 < BrainDamage> Yoduza: cheap, fast, pick one
2015-12-28T16:50:45 < zyp> Tectu, yeah, all I've heard is that your country sucks even more than norway
2015-12-28T16:51:11 < Tectu> zyp, ´even more than norway´? I thought that norway is a pretty pretty decent country?
2015-12-28T16:51:38 < Yoduza> oil target $11, after that we all be happy
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2015-12-28T16:51:55 < BrainDamage> except norway since norway exports oil
2015-12-28T16:51:55 < zyp> Tectu, wrt. importing shit
2015-12-28T16:52:13 < Yoduza> * oil target $11 for russi..
2015-12-28T16:52:43 < Yoduza> * for putler & co
2015-12-28T16:52:46 < ReadMobl> Epackets
2015-12-28T16:52:58 < ReadMobl> Got one in 4 days last week
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2015-12-28T18:01:11 < upgrdman_> no chatz :(
2015-12-28T18:07:02 < Steffann> Want to discuss the us president candidates?
2015-12-28T18:07:44 < zyp> haha
2015-12-28T18:07:48 < upgrdman_> sure
2015-12-28T18:07:50 < upgrdman_> go trump!
2015-12-28T18:07:51 < zyp> what's there to discuss?
2015-12-28T18:08:20 < upgrdman_> amusingly enough, one of the bidders on my fagbook pro is "donaldtrump2016" heh
2015-12-28T18:08:27 < Steffann> LOL
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2015-12-28T18:34:39 < karlp> upgrdman_: your ripples went away when you used a (wider presumably?) bin width, because you just hid more shit.
2015-12-28T18:34:47 < karlp> might give you "flatter" answers, but is it really any better?
2015-12-28T18:35:16 < upgrdman_> i guess so
2015-12-28T18:35:38 < upgrdman_> im at the point where i can get a DFT working(ish) but it's kinda black magic to me
2015-12-28T18:38:30 < upgrdman_> for example, if im using a window of N samples, and those samples are evenly spaced S seconds apart, can I pick any side bins i want?
2015-12-28T18:40:53 < upgrdman_> seems like i would need to pick the "right size" if i want to not miss some of the frequency content?
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2015-12-28T18:41:34 < upgrdman_> right now im using a bin width (Hz) of 1/NT
2015-12-28T18:41:49 < upgrdman_> before, with all the ripples, i used a bin width of 2Hz
2015-12-28T18:43:05 < karlp> I think the ansser is "it depends"
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2015-12-28T18:43:18 < karlp> depends what sort of features you're trying to pull out with the DFT
2015-12-28T18:44:03 < upgrdman_> right now i want to characterize a simulated ADC. so looking for distortion.
2015-12-28T18:44:45 < upgrdman_> so ideally my DFT would be a peak at my input sine wave frequency, and all other bins should evaluate near zero.
2015-12-28T18:46:10 < upgrdman_> my sine wave is at 10kHz now, and i get a peak at 10kHz, and little blips at 30kHz and 50kHz iirc.
2015-12-28T18:46:32 < upgrdman_> but i think those blips are mostly due to the first and last ADC sample glitching.
2015-12-28T18:47:25 < karlp> so, toss them out of your sample set?
2015-12-28T18:47:51 < upgrdman_> ya i plan to.
2015-12-28T18:51:34 < upgrdman_> power delivered by a 3.3Vpeak-peak sine wave (to 1 ohm load) should be...  0.5*(3.3/2)^2 = 1.36125W   correct?
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2015-12-28T18:57:58 < upgrdman_> is there some sort of "how to pick a window function for idiots" ?
2015-12-28T18:58:13 < emeb> what window are you using now?
2015-12-28T18:58:27 < upgrdman_> none. just rectangle.
2015-12-28T18:58:33 < emeb> gah!
2015-12-28T18:58:45 < upgrdman_> :)
2015-12-28T18:58:45 < emeb> I like the 4-term blackman-harris
2015-12-28T18:59:07 < emeb> but for doing OLA processing it's better to use a sqrt hann.
2015-12-28T18:59:19 < emeb> so it depends on what you want to do.
2015-12-28T18:59:48 < upgrdman_> me: http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Dog-Meme-I-Have-No-Idea-What-Im-Doing-03.jpg
2015-12-28T18:59:53 < upgrdman_> what's ola?
2015-12-28T18:59:57 < emeb> but any window that tapers off at the ends will prevent spectral leakage that obscures low-level stuff.
2015-12-28T19:00:14 < emeb> Overlap-Add
2015-12-28T19:00:44 < emeb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlap%E2%80%93add_method
2015-12-28T19:01:32 < emeb> This article gives a good overview of windows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_function
2015-12-28T19:01:58 < emeb> look at the sidelobes & width of the center lobe to pick one that gives the resolution and rejection you want.
2015-12-28T19:05:05 < upgrdman_> ok. is that how a proper EE would do it? seems like picking one by eye is sorta wrong?
2015-12-28T19:05:43 < emeb> well, you can get all mathy if you want, but it's more of a qualitative thing.
2015-12-28T19:05:50 < upgrdman_> ok
2015-12-28T19:05:54 < BrainDamage> the problem is that you're always distorting the signal
2015-12-28T19:06:19 < BrainDamage> and each one is a tradeoff between phase distortion, noise, rippling, sideband
2015-12-28T19:06:49 < BrainDamage> if you have quantitative values for each one of them, you can then pick a window numerically
2015-12-28T19:07:04 < upgrdman_> i thought DFTs don't uh, "care", about phase? just frequency.
2015-12-28T19:07:13 < emeb> of course they care
2015-12-28T19:07:27 < jpa-> you can discard the phase info if you want, but they do detect it
2015-12-28T19:07:35 < emeb> that's why you can pick the phase of any bin by computing atan() of the complex vale
2015-12-28T19:07:52 < emeb> but if you're just doing mag() of the bin then you can ignore it.
2015-12-28T19:08:12 < upgrdman_> oh yes, i think i discard it by doing power = real^2 + complex^2 or something like that.
2015-12-28T19:08:17 < emeb> yup
2015-12-28T19:08:24 < BrainDamage> that mag^2
2015-12-28T19:08:28 < BrainDamage> that's*
2015-12-28T19:08:39 < upgrdman_> mag == power?
2015-12-28T19:08:50 < emeb> mag^2 = power
2015-12-28T19:08:58 < BrainDamage> no, magnitude is the amplitude, amplitude^2 = power
2015-12-28T19:09:14 < upgrdman_> amplitude = voltage?
2015-12-28T19:09:20 < BrainDamage> think of V^2/R, just there's no R
2015-12-28T19:09:30 < upgrdman_> ya i got that.
2015-12-28T19:09:48 < emeb> Just use dB always -> 20*log10(mag(fft(signal*window)))
2015-12-28T19:10:11 < BrainDamage> yeah, with dB there's the implicit power conversion
2015-12-28T19:10:33 < upgrdman_> and that's dBwhat?
2015-12-28T19:10:37 < upgrdman_> dBm?
2015-12-28T19:10:54 < emeb> depends on the scale of the input signal.
2015-12-28T19:10:55 < BrainDamage> dBFS
2015-12-28T19:11:16 < emeb> I usually scale to max value of the adc, then it's dB full-scale as BrainDamage said above
2015-12-28T19:11:42 < upgrdman_> and a full-scale rading would be 0 dBFS?
2015-12-28T19:11:51 < upgrdman_> reading*
2015-12-28T19:11:58 < emeb> yes - if you set 1.0 = max
2015-12-28T19:13:32 < emeb> so take adc values, convert to signed by subtracting the center value, then divide by max/2 so signal range is +/-1.0
2015-12-28T19:14:01 < emeb> then window, then fft, then compute abs value / mag, then convert to dB
2015-12-28T19:14:11 < emeb> remember that the window has some gain
2015-12-28T19:14:27 < emeb> also remember that the FFT has gain proportional to the number of bins
2015-12-28T19:14:43 < emeb> so there are a lot of scale factors you'll need to correct.
2015-12-28T19:15:14 < emeb> when I'm setting up a new measurement system I usually drive a test sinewave full scale into it to make sure that it comes out at 0dBfs
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2015-12-28T19:16:23 < upgrdman_> does a DFT care about dc offsets? (why reposition sine wave centered on 0V?)
2015-12-28T19:16:48 < emeb> it will cause a dc term to appear in the fft output
2015-12-28T19:17:03 < upgrdman_> oh so that's why i get that :) ok cool
2015-12-28T19:17:11 < emeb> if you know what it is a-priori and can remove it then it will prevent leakage into the near-dc bins
2015-12-28T19:17:13 < BrainDamage> the mid point in the dft is the 0 freq component
2015-12-28T19:17:36 < BrainDamage> ( assuming it's bilateral )
2015-12-28T19:18:37 < upgrdman_> emeb, could the dc offset be calc'd at run time by taking the mean average of the window? or would it be rms?
2015-12-28T19:18:59 < emeb> upgrdman_: yes, but that's basically what the FFT does anyway.
2015-12-28T19:19:12 < emeb> it's just computing the mean value.
2015-12-28T19:19:28 < upgrdman_> but it would remove the DC term from the DCish bins, right?
2015-12-28T19:19:34 < emeb> since the DFT of the 0Hz bin is just correlation with a value of 1.0
2015-12-28T19:19:49 < emeb> yes
2015-12-28T19:19:51 < BrainDamage> yes, how much depends on your averaging window
2015-12-28T19:20:09 < emeb> if you run the mean over a longer interval than the FFT that's better.
2015-12-28T19:20:21 < emeb> (than just using the FFT)
2015-12-28T19:20:21 < BrainDamage> average -> lowpass filter, subtracting lowpass filter -> highpass filter
2015-12-28T19:21:08 < emeb> for DC blocking I usually use a simple 1st-order IIR HPF as BrainDamage notes
2015-12-28T19:21:10 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-12-28T19:21:24 < upgrdman_> and is avarger the mean or rms?
2015-12-28T19:21:32 < emeb> mean
2015-12-28T19:21:40 < upgrdman_> k
2015-12-28T19:22:18 < emeb> it's simple to compute: subtract the value of an accumulator from the input. accumulate that result.
2015-12-28T19:22:39 < emeb> over time the accumulator builds up to the DC value until the long term difference is zero.
2015-12-28T19:22:50 < emeb> the difference is the output
2015-12-28T19:23:46 < karlp> BrainDamage: "subtracting low pass" ? I don't get the terminology there?
2015-12-28T19:23:47 < emeb> you scale down the accumulator prior to subtracting - the more you scale down, the lower the HPF corner freq.
2015-12-28T19:24:04 < karlp> nvm, I'll read emeb,
2015-12-28T19:24:26 < BrainDamage> karlp: if you subtract the output of a lowpass filter from the original signal, you're doing something equivalent to an highpass filter
2015-12-28T19:24:42 < BrainDamage> because the system is linear
2015-12-28T19:24:55 < karlp> so many different ways of describing some of the same things :)
2015-12-28T19:24:59 < BrainDamage> yep
2015-12-28T19:25:00 < gordonjcp> BrainDamage: yup
2015-12-28T19:26:06 < gordonjcp> BrainDamage: which gives you a really neat trick, if you do a lowpass filter and mix the lowpass out and the subtraction-derived highpass out
2015-12-28T19:26:34 < gordonjcp> you can make a really cool tone control that will slope the frequency response up and down about the cutoff frequency of the filter
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2015-12-28T19:27:07 < BrainDamage> it's just a more intuitive way to see FIR and IIR coeffients, it doesn't replace the math, but at least you're less wondering in the dark wtf is going on
2015-12-28T19:27:46 < gordonjcp> IIR is easyish at least if you understand how "real" filters work
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2015-12-28T19:29:46 < karlp> gordonjcp: what's "real" in this case?
2015-12-28T19:30:40 < gordonjcp> karlp: analogue filters, implemented with integrators and amplifiers
2015-12-28T19:31:14 < gordonjcp> karlp: consider that each "delay by one sample and multiply by a coefficient" block in an IIR filter is really just an integrator
2015-12-28T19:31:27 < gordonjcp> it's the software equivalent of an RC filter
2015-12-28T19:35:24 < upgrdman_> is there anything that ranks windows functions based on phase distortion, noise, rippling and sideband? e.g. a line for sidebank, with the different window functions placed on the line to get a quick overview of which is better or worse for sideband?
2015-12-28T19:41:04 < emeb> Here's the "canonical" paper on windowing: http://web.mit.edu/xiphmont/Public/windows.pdf
2015-12-28T19:41:14 < emeb> Table 1 has everything you need to know.
2015-12-28T19:42:36 < BrainDamage> also remember: when you're bored, there's always time to write another FFT window
2015-12-28T19:45:57 < upgrdman_> jeez, would have figured that MIT knew how to properly scan a document :/
2015-12-28T19:47:06 < emeb> upgrdman_: Most of us "old engineers" have copies of copies of those IEEE journal papers. This one was probably scanned from such a copy.
2015-12-28T19:47:20 < upgrdman_> ya looks like it :)
2015-12-28T19:47:59 < emeb> I got my copy of that paper from a colleague back about 1991. It's dog-eared and in a file drawer next to my desk. I pull it out often.
2015-12-28T19:48:15 < emeb> looks about like that scan.
2015-12-28T19:48:36 < karlp> added that doc and links to the zypsnips...
2015-12-28T19:49:00 < upgrdman_> IEEE doesn't make some nice postscript or latex available for old journals?
2015-12-28T19:49:07 < karlp> heheh
2015-12-28T19:49:10 < emeb> upgrdman_: of course
2015-12-28T19:49:12 < karlp> are you a paid member?
2015-12-28T19:49:17 < emeb> but you have to pay thru the nose for it.
2015-12-28T19:49:22 < karlp> ^^^
2015-12-28T19:49:32 < upgrdman_> no. sadly i probably could have gotten access when i was a student... two weeks ago.
2015-12-28T19:49:32 < emeb> I'm a member and they won't let me get at that stuff without paying even more.
2015-12-28T19:49:57 < upgrdman_> guess i should search some torrent sites of an IEEE siterip or whatever.
2015-12-28T19:50:09 < emeb> scribd probably has it all
2015-12-28T19:50:32 < emeb> when I need good scans of journal papers I just ping one of my student friends.
2015-12-28T19:51:06 < upgrdman_> seem weird that orgs like IEEE want to lock up information in the modern age
2015-12-28T19:51:23 < upgrdman_> i mean i know it costs money and all, but it seems like that model isn't working anymore
2015-12-28T19:51:38 < emeb> upgrdman_: yeah, but that's their *primary* source of income these days
2015-12-28T19:52:06 < BrainDamage> upgrdman_: the colloquial term is "paywall"
2015-12-28T19:52:16 < upgrdman_> is there no "open source" alternative org that people are embracing?
2015-12-28T19:52:30 < emeb> there's talk of it
2015-12-28T19:52:31 < BrainDamage> there are some, but generally specific to more "hard sciences"
2015-12-28T19:52:35 < BrainDamage> like arxiv
2015-12-28T19:52:36 < emeb> but no great motion yet
2015-12-28T19:52:48 < BrainDamage> there's a lot of economical interest around
2015-12-28T19:52:51 < emeb> IEEE was talking about opening it up a few years back
2015-12-28T19:52:56 < emeb> but nothing happened.
2015-12-28T19:53:03 < upgrdman_> do the authors of those ieee docs get royalties from ieee?
2015-12-28T19:53:06 < emeb> no
2015-12-28T19:53:15 < emeb> in fact the authors often have to pay to publish
2015-12-28T19:53:25 < emeb> so the journals get money coming and going
2015-12-28T19:53:40 < BrainDamage> yeah, it's rubbish, but there's the problem of what's so called "impact factor" and "prestige"
2015-12-28T19:53:42 < zyp> asshole at both ends
2015-12-28T19:53:42 < upgrdman_> so ieee "deserves" their money because they are a good curator?
2015-12-28T19:53:58 < BrainDamage> no, ieee deserves money becuse it's the most famous
2015-12-28T19:54:47 < BrainDamage> basically, the more popular a ournal you're publishing to, and the more citations you get for your work, the better it's considered
2015-12-28T19:54:57 < emeb> One nice thing - authors are allowed to redistribute their articles for free.
2015-12-28T19:55:00 < BrainDamage> it sucks, it's like estimating code quality from line count
2015-12-28T19:55:17 < emeb> so often you'll find freely downloadable copies online that are perfectly legal.
2015-12-28T19:55:20 < BrainDamage> but it's what everyone uses, and changing takes a revolution
2015-12-28T19:55:35 < upgrdman_> emeb, found a much better scan here: https://www.utdallas.edu/~cpb021000/EE%204361/Great%20DSP%20Papers/Harris%20on%20Windows.pdf
2015-12-28T19:56:03 < emeb> indeed - nicer
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2015-12-28T19:56:45 < emeb> funny thing about IEEE pdfs - they OCR them, so even though you see the raw scanned image you can copy text from them.
2015-12-28T19:57:01 < emeb> this one you can't do that so it's not an official IEEE scan.
2015-12-28T19:57:16 < BrainDamage> you can always run the ocr yourself
2015-12-28T19:57:34 < BrainDamage> howrever it's nicer when someone else did, so they likely review the result, etc
2015-12-28T19:58:24 < upgrdman_> hmm. dolph-chebyshev looks pretty neat. such uniform low sidelobes.
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2015-12-28T20:12:46 < upgrdman_> hehe. wonder what a "bathtub" shaped window function would do. guess i should try it out.
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2015-12-28T20:13:19 < Sync> dongs: do you have experience with DVB-T stuff?
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2015-12-28T21:15:42 < Rob235_> plop
2015-12-28T21:29:34 < Rob235_> if you don't clear an interrupt flag in the interrupt handler will it keep firing or will it cease to fire
2015-12-28T21:30:10 < jpa-> it will generally keep firing
2015-12-28T21:30:21 < jpa-> some peripherals auto-clear the flag when you e.g. read a register
2015-12-28T21:30:44 < jpa-> and some interrupts like SVC do not have an interrupt flag
2015-12-28T21:31:14 < Rob235_> ok
2015-12-28T21:31:28 < zyp> I think no core interrupts have one, i.e. first 16
2015-12-28T21:31:51 < zyp> of course, fault handlers will retrigger if you've taken no measure to correct the fault before returning
2015-12-28T21:32:25 < Rob235_> its an exti external interrupt
2015-12-28T21:32:32 < zyp> most vendor interrupts are level triggered and will retrigger as long as the interrupt condition is not cleared
2015-12-28T21:32:56 < zyp> edge triggered interrupts won't, I believe, but I'm not sure there's any edge triggered interrupts at all in STM32
2015-12-28T21:33:55 < jpa-> zyp: hmm yeah, systick has COUNTFLAG but i guess that is unrelated to interrupt occurring
2015-12-28T21:34:23 < zyp> I don't think my systick handler is clearing anything
2015-12-28T21:34:29 < jpa-> yep
2015-12-28T21:35:02 < zyp> no, it's not
2015-12-28T21:35:07 < zyp> so yeah
2015-12-28T21:44:46 < upgrdman_> any verilog pros awake? why do i get an error on the last line of this:
2015-12-28T21:44:47 < upgrdman_> reg [7:0] array_of_bytes [1:0]; // four bytes
2015-12-28T21:44:47 < upgrdman_> reg [7:0] some_register; // 1 byte
2015-12-28T21:44:47 < upgrdman_> ...
2015-12-28T21:44:47 < upgrdman_> some_register <= array_of_bytes[1]; // copy byte 1 (the second byte) into some_register
2015-12-28T21:48:40 < upgrdman_> ? how do i declare an array of 4 bytes in verilog then
2015-12-28T21:51:06 < jpa-> how is that four bytes?
2015-12-28T21:51:11 < jpa-> i only know vhdl, though
2015-12-28T22:14:08 < upgrdman_> R2COM, thanks
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2015-12-28T22:22:31 < jpa-> to use the PB4/NJTRST pin as GPIO on STM32F4, do i have to do anything else than just switch it from AF to normal GPIO in the GPIO mode register?
2015-12-28T22:27:56 < Steffann> Thats what i did.
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2015-12-28T22:50:17 < Rob235_> alright, ported 1500 lines of my arduino code to stm32... No errors/warnings, let's see what happens
2015-12-28T22:51:35 < karlp> R2COM: wat? why? who would they know what values _you_ wanted today?
2015-12-28T22:53:28 < PaulFertser> karlp: isn't drive strength setting equivalent to having a super-strong cmos push-pull + series resistor?
2015-12-28T22:53:43 < karlp> maybe, but not what r2com asked for..
2015-12-28T22:54:38 < PaulFertser> karlp: serial termination is usually used at the source of the signal so I assumed R2COM was talking about using gpio in push-pull mode.
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2015-12-28T23:22:49 < kakimir> what are you doing R2COM
2015-12-28T23:32:27 < upgrdman_> R2COM, re: that verilog array shit. how do i read the first byte of the array? foo <= myArray[0]; will assign all 8 bits?
2015-12-28T23:33:01 < upgrdman_> i did
2015-12-28T23:33:07 < upgrdman_> and i get stupid warnings
2015-12-28T23:33:17 < upgrdman_> "net blah does not have a driver"
2015-12-28T23:34:21 < upgrdman_> in an initial block? i did.
2015-12-28T23:35:33 < upgrdman_> not yet. it's not even compiling properly yet. lots of shit gets optimized out that should be there.
2015-12-28T23:35:40 < upgrdman_> synthesis warning
2015-12-28T23:36:42 < upgrdman_> i just have a syntax problem because i do code in verilog much
2015-12-28T23:36:54 < zyp> simulation is for pussies, real developers get it right on the first try
2015-12-28T23:36:57 < zyp> just like debugging
2015-12-28T23:37:00 < upgrdman_> :)
2015-12-28T23:37:53 < upgrdman_> lattice diamond
2015-12-28T23:38:35 < upgrdman_> i think so. have not fucked with it yet. used xilinx's isim a lot though
2015-12-28T23:39:14 < upgrdman_> sure. but floorplan view prooves that lots of shit it optimized out, lots of shit that shouldnt be optim'd out
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2015-12-28T23:39:52 < upgrdman_> its a trivial module.
2015-12-28T23:39:59 < upgrdman_> im just fucking it up due to syntax
2015-12-28T23:39:59 < zyp> I should learn proper HDL dev some time
2015-12-28T23:40:38 < zyp> I tend to skip simulation myself, tools are so shitty I want to spend as little time with them as possible :p
2015-12-28T23:41:00 < upgrdman_> ya fpga ide's are so fucking weak compared to software and firmware ide's.
2015-12-28T23:41:32 < gordonjcp> I never really got the attraction of IDEs
2015-12-28T23:42:05 < Steffanx> but there are open sores simulators right?
2015-12-28T23:43:18 < Steffanx> *not how i'm doing it
2015-12-28T23:44:45 < upgrdman_> R2COM, i have no problem with sim'ing. im just trying to get the code to synthesize properly first. if nets are left undriven that should be driver, theres problems that dont require sim'ing to find.
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2015-12-28T23:45:18 < zyp> upgrdman_, point is, you're supposed to get it to simulate first, then start worry about getting it to synthesize properly
2015-12-28T23:46:08 < upgrdman_> the assignment issue was something i felt was a symptom :)
2015-12-28T23:46:56 < upgrdman_> sure
2015-12-28T23:53:22 < upgrdman_> how do you like sveditor?
2015-12-28T23:54:04 < upgrdman_> so do you create a project in xilinx ise (or whatever) and create your .v files, then open those .v files in eclipse?
2015-12-28T23:54:58 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-12-28T23:55:08 < upgrdman_> and who creates those .v files? ise or sveditor?
2015-12-28T23:55:41 < upgrdman_> is there like a "refresh project folder" to detect those new .v files?
2015-12-28T23:55:48 < upgrdman_> in ise
2015-12-28T23:56:01 < upgrdman_> k
2015-12-28T23:56:30 < upgrdman_> cool
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2015-12-29T00:01:28 < upgrdman_> lol
2015-12-29T00:01:32 < upgrdman_> why do you ask
2015-12-29T00:03:23 < zyp> does it really matter?
2015-12-29T00:04:10 < upgrdman_> this is why i minimize my IRC window when going to lunch. lol
2015-12-29T00:06:04 < zyp> R2COM, what about you? I bet you're a bit pedo and want your women to look like small girls :p
2015-12-29T00:10:38 < zyp> aww, shame, in my experience that statement is the one most likely one to incite a flamewar
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2015-12-29T00:13:17 < zyp> I don't get people who feel strongly about it; by the time you're in a position to check whether the girl is shaved or not, are you really going to change your mind on having sex with her?
2015-12-29T00:15:03 < upgrdman_> that's why you ask before getting to know the girl /s
2015-12-29T00:20:41 < zyp> I prefer leaving it as a surprise
2015-12-29T00:21:22 < zyp> I've encountered either and it all turned out great anyway
2015-12-29T00:25:22 < Rob235_> how does dma with i2c work? Do you set up the transfer and then enable dma to receive the bytes and move on?
2015-12-29T00:26:05 < zyp> I think you need to negotiate addr phase manually, and then let dma take over data transfer
2015-12-29T00:26:19 < Rob235_> ok let me try that
2015-12-29T00:26:49 < zyp> maybe not on v2, since I belive v2 got a dedicated ADDR reg
2015-12-29T00:29:24 < kakimir> intel drivers size is already competing with the originals
2015-12-29T00:29:31 < kakimir> 177MB installer
2015-12-29T00:30:07 < kakimir> it for those cool skins in the useless properties program
2015-12-29T00:31:15 < upgrdman_> driver for what
2015-12-29T00:31:40 < kakimir> fuzzy graphics HD
2015-12-29T00:32:16 < upgrdman_> so gpu driver? doesn't windows update handles those for you automatically?
2015-12-29T00:33:00 < kakimir> maybe to stable release
2015-12-29T00:33:04 < kakimir> not latest
2015-12-29T00:33:15 < upgrdman_> you want beta video drivers?
2015-12-29T00:33:29 < upgrdman_> i take it you dont want a reliable pc?
2015-12-29T00:33:29 < kakimir> with brand new shiet - sure
2015-12-29T00:33:36 < kakimir> I want
2015-12-29T00:33:38 < kakimir> just that
2015-12-29T00:34:06 < kakimir> there is like some bug that cause youtube and kicad together to crash the gpu
2015-12-29T00:34:20 < kakimir> also some random glitches
2015-12-29T00:34:24 < kakimir> now and then
2015-12-29T00:34:26 < upgrdman_> > kicad
2015-12-29T00:34:28 < upgrdman_> found your problem
2015-12-29T00:34:43 < kakimir> they said their stuff is mint
2015-12-29T00:34:53 < kakimir> it's driver issues
2015-12-29T00:44:37 < BrainDamage> probably too many vias
2015-12-29T00:45:21 < kakimir> I have not added ground vias yet
2015-12-29T00:45:25 < kakimir> thats the problem
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2015-12-29T01:27:12 < kakimir> is mk12c02 switch spring loaded?
2015-12-29T01:27:59 < kakimir> it says toggle on/off switch slide switch
2015-12-29T01:28:09 < kakimir> so no spring load?
2015-12-29T01:28:29 < kakimir> anyone to confirm actual part?
2015-12-29T01:32:18 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/50PCS-MK12C02-1P2T-7P-Miniature-Toggle-Switch-Slide-Switch-SMD-MP3-Push-Button-/161743095017?hash=item25a8a3c4e9:g:iQYAAOSw~OdVb8J0 this thing
2015-12-29T01:32:41 < kakimir> have that missing leg there
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2015-12-29T01:35:38 < dongs> Sync: in waht sense
2015-12-29T01:35:49 < dongs> i've made hardware for receiving it sure
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2015-12-29T02:07:03 < Lux> upgrdman: http://www.clifford.at/icestorm/
2015-12-29T02:07:48 < karlp> pretty sure he's aware of that and is the entire reason he's on lattice in the first place :)
2015-12-29T02:08:04 < karlp> we've discussed it a few times here, and iirc, there's another talk at 32c3 covering current status right?
2015-12-29T02:08:04 < Lux> just talked to the guy doing that stuff
2015-12-29T02:08:15 < upgrdman> neat
2015-12-29T02:08:16  * karlp is looking forward to going back to work and watching a stack of videos
2015-12-29T02:08:17 < Lux> he's at the 32c3
2015-12-29T02:08:53 < Lux> seems really promising, the only thing missing is the signal optimizer part that tells you at how much mhz it can run at
2015-12-29T02:09:24 < karlp> and of course, all the other fpgas other than ice40...
2015-12-29T02:09:45 < Lux> and you can get up and running with those ice toolsticks in like 10 mins
2015-12-29T02:10:08 < Lux> yeah, it should work on all the lattice fpgas which use the same bitstream format
2015-12-29T02:11:05 < Lux> it's basically a freetime project, but there is lots of potential for it to become something like gcc is nowadays
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2015-12-29T02:11:32 < karlp> yeah, pretty happy at that level of groundwork being in place.
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2015-12-29T02:30:28 < upgrdman> typical Jeep driver   http://i.imgur.com/jTriOwS.gifv
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2015-12-29T02:34:55 < Rob235_> how do I know if a static const array is stored in flash? I'm looking at the map file but theres no mention of the array name
2015-12-29T02:35:27 < kakimir> ice40 is åä
2015-12-29T02:35:53 < upgrdman> Rob235_, is it a big array?
2015-12-29T02:36:00 < Rob235_> 4 kb
2015-12-29T02:36:17 < upgrdman> cause if it is, i'd just use objdump or whatever the tool is to look at used flash/ram sizes
2015-12-29T02:36:30 < upgrdman> and compare with and without const
2015-12-29T02:36:43 < zyp> Rob235_, open the elf in gdb and just check the addr of the array
2015-12-29T02:37:13 < zyp> and if that doesn't work, make sure you build with debugging symbols
2015-12-29T02:37:51 < upgrdman> err not objdump. i meant  arm-none-eabi-size
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2015-12-29T02:45:14 < upgrdman> lol. warning: loud music in background  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHP6c45v6JI&feature=youtu.be
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2015-12-29T02:48:55 < upgrdman> R2COM, dongs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBiykDQRn78
2015-12-29T02:52:29 < Rob235_> in the compiler output I'm guessing text is flash and data is ram?
2015-12-29T03:09:59 < aandrew> upgrdman: what the fuck
2015-12-29T03:10:09 < upgrdman> aandrew, which link?
2015-12-29T03:10:39 < aandrew> the first
2015-12-29T03:10:45 < aandrew> the second is just an overcomplicated lego dildo
2015-12-29T03:11:05 < upgrdman> lol. yes.
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2015-12-29T03:12:43 < kakimir> ice40 is good general fpga
2015-12-29T03:12:57 < kakimir> little thing with good power consumption figures
2015-12-29T03:15:14 < kakimir> http://uk.farnell.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?pageSize=25&st=ice40&catalogId=15001&categoryId=700000004167&langId=44&storeId=10151 and not too costy
2015-12-29T03:16:26 < upgrdman> any like $1 china fpgas yet?
2015-12-29T03:17:21 < kakimir> china fpgas
2015-12-29T03:17:26 < kakimir> tell me about them
2015-12-29T03:17:30 < kakimir> I have not heard
2015-12-29T03:17:42 < kakimir> clone shiet?
2015-12-29T03:18:57 < upgrdman> i was asking. dont know of any.
2015-12-29T03:19:19 < upgrdman> but ya. like some enterprising chinaman fab'ing some clone or homebrew amateur fpgas.
2015-12-29T03:19:50 < Steffanx> i read about one a while ago but..
2015-12-29T03:20:02 < kakimir> doesn't sound too good yet
2015-12-29T03:20:13 < kakimir> give it time
2015-12-29T03:20:14 < Steffanx> http://hackaday.com/2015/08/24/two-new-fpga-families-designed-in-china/
2015-12-29T03:21:06 < kakimir> chinamen enter the game
2015-12-29T03:33:44 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XweF96d8xUk soundtrack for hacking activities appears
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2015-12-29T03:43:47 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKTGtGOE8wZ25LZEE&usp=sharing my buck module aint gonna be that big
2015-12-29T03:44:15 < kakimir> I can have that 4-5mm off in lenght but I keep that around 12mm of width
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2015-12-29T03:48:33 < kakimir> so it will end up +30mm long and 12mm wide
2015-12-29T03:49:56 < kakimir> http://termite.apcdn.com/full/139392.jpg hah :D
2015-12-29T03:50:22 < kakimir> that is true
2015-12-29T03:53:15 < kakimir> for noobs?
2015-12-29T04:07:08 < Laurenceb_> talking on asia
2015-12-29T04:07:10 < Laurenceb_> *of
2015-12-29T04:07:12 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z4XIxbQk9tI
2015-12-29T04:07:20 < Laurenceb_> korea is building the emdrive
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2015-12-29T04:31:40 < kakimir> it's dongs?
2015-12-29T04:39:33 < upgrdman> god damn it. watched a few youtube videos on motors and now i get tons of recommendation for perpetual motion faggotry.
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2015-12-29T04:51:05 < kakimir> that's what you get
2015-12-29T04:55:29 < upgrdman> i hope this is real http://imgur.com/QARFL7E
2015-12-29T04:56:27 < Getty> california - checks out
2015-12-29T04:58:21 < kakimir> never went to cali..
2015-12-29T04:58:51 < upgrdman> so cal is nice. good weather, pretty girls.
2015-12-29T04:58:59 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-aK6JnyFmk
2015-12-29T04:59:29 < kakimir> and dreamin
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2015-12-29T05:03:48 < kakimir> in 2015 it's all homeless it dudes that are not jobless but cant afford 5000dollar rent
2015-12-29T05:08:07 < upgrdman> where
2015-12-29T05:10:40 < kakimir> san francisco?
2015-12-29T05:12:33 < kakimir> rents are getting to OK level
2015-12-29T05:13:20 < upgrdman> dunno about SF but in LA area, 1 bedroom apartment is like $900 - $1800 depending on quality.
2015-12-29T05:14:35 < kakimir> is it that "studio appartment" ?
2015-12-29T05:14:46 < kakimir> everywhere I hear "studio"
2015-12-29T05:14:59 < upgrdman> studio would be maybe $200 less
2015-12-29T05:15:25 < upgrdman> studio is like no dividing walls. one big room...
2015-12-29T05:16:27 < kakimir> got it
2015-12-29T05:18:38 < upgrdman> hows your jew oven coming along?
2015-12-29T05:20:56 < upgrdman> kakimir ^
2015-12-29T05:21:56 < kakimir> I have had pause of 2-3weeks
2015-12-29T05:22:06 < kakimir> drawing boards and stuff
2015-12-29T05:23:11 < kakimir> I never should have begun
2015-12-29T05:23:14 < kakimir> with it
2015-12-29T05:23:52 < kakimir> there is no.. money out of it
2015-12-29T05:24:12 < kakimir> just money to it
2015-12-29T05:27:17 < kakimir> if I want money out of it I need to operate it myself baking bicycles and wheels all days
2015-12-29T05:27:37 < upgrdman> and jews
2015-12-29T05:28:13 < kakimir> if paid in nazi gold
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2015-12-29T05:37:58 < kakimir> also there was christmas
2015-12-29T05:38:03 < kakimir> *excuses*
2015-12-29T05:38:16 < upgrdman> youre in .fi right?
2015-12-29T05:40:25 < kakimir> still here
2015-12-29T05:41:08 < upgrdman> is xmas big there? lots of shopping, etc
2015-12-29T05:41:21 < kakimir> nothing like there no
2015-12-29T05:42:35 < kakimir> but vacations are long here so there is lot of days that relatives are hanging around
2015-12-29T05:42:47 < kakimir> and nights of boozing
2015-12-29T05:43:06 < kakimir> takes it's toll
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2015-12-29T07:47:47 < Rob235_> how do you reset i2c? If I cut power and plug it back in then it works but hitting the reset button doesn't
2015-12-29T08:22:29 < upgrdman> on stm32f0, for i2c1:
2015-12-29T08:22:39 < upgrdman> 			// enable i2c1 clock, reset i2c1
2015-12-29T08:22:40 < upgrdman> 			RCC->APB1ENR |= RCC_APB1ENR_I2C1EN;
2015-12-29T08:22:40 < upgrdman> 			RCC->APB1RSTR |= RCC_APB1RSTR_I2C1RST;
2015-12-29T08:22:40 < upgrdman> 			RCC->APB1RSTR &= ~RCC_APB1RSTR_I2C1RST;
2015-12-29T08:23:34 < Rob235_> yea, I do that... not sure what's going on
2015-12-29T08:24:14 < upgrdman> maybe your i2c slave is hung up and needs power cycle or some reset strobe to work
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2015-12-29T08:58:11 < dongs> sup dongs
2015-12-29T09:00:47 < Rob235_> dongs: how do you reset an i2c device? It works the first time if I disconnect power and plug it back in but if I hit the reset button it doesn't work right
2015-12-29T09:02:55 < Simon--> last eeprom datasheet I looked at had something on that
2015-12-29T09:02:59 < Rob235_> oh hmm it doesn't work everytime even if I disconnect power
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2015-12-29T09:04:23 < Simon--> oh. i2c
2015-12-29T09:05:03 < dongs> Rob235_: clock out scl 10 t imes
2015-12-29T09:05:24 < Rob235_> what do you mean clock out
2015-12-29T09:05:24 < dongs> https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/drv_i2c.c#L346
2015-12-29T09:05:27 < dongs> just that.
2015-12-29T09:05:32 < dongs> set to gpio and clock out.
2015-12-29T09:07:00 < Rob235_> thanks i'll try it
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2015-12-29T09:13:50 < dongs> you will notioce if this is really the problem if you debug and step
2015-12-29T09:14:00 < dongs> and when you're at i2c start part, either scl or sda are pulled low
2015-12-29T09:14:15 < dongs> meaning some slave is waiting for stuff and holding the bus.
2015-12-29T09:15:40 < Simon--> I'm still trying to figure out the same for the uart bootloader :)
2015-12-29T09:19:40 < upgrdman> what's snow? that cold white stuff?
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2015-12-29T09:59:01 < Rob235_> ahh that wasn't my problem, my i2c is all sorts of fucked up
2015-12-29T09:59:02 < Rob235_> :)
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2015-12-29T10:05:33 < Rob235_> oh... hmm maybe not
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2015-12-29T10:53:09 < dongs> aww
2015-12-29T10:53:23 < dongs> jewpad pro screen is whole digitizer + touchid + screen assembly https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/vqhYthFwbZGMUZba
2015-12-29T10:53:26 < dongs> aids
2015-12-29T10:53:43 < dongs> anyway its resolution isnt all that impressiev anyhow
2015-12-29T10:54:53 < PeterM> surely china clones will be cheap anyway
2015-12-29T10:55:32 < PeterM> well, not so much clones, but original lcd + clone digitizer +stuff
2015-12-29T10:55:37 < dongs> sure
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2015-12-29T10:55:43 < dongs> anywa,y its not all that impressive panel anyhow
2015-12-29T10:55:49 < dongs> 2048x2700-ish watever
2015-12-29T10:56:14 < PeterM> ones with glass pre attached would be easier to mount, no? you just glue em into sometyhin
2015-12-29T10:56:27 < PeterM> yeah, thats pretty shit
2015-12-29T10:56:57 < dongs> ya glass attached is nice
2015-12-29T10:57:00 < dongs> but usually more $
2015-12-29T10:57:04 < dongs> i gotta check what the new jewpad air things are
2015-12-29T10:57:09 < dongs> they're also fused assembly
2015-12-29T10:57:11 < dongs> screen+glass
2015-12-29T10:57:24 < dongs> dont really wanna make breakout boards for stuff that costs $100> to get
2015-12-29T10:57:31 < PeterM> yeah true
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2015-12-29T11:10:05 < Rob235_> i2c is workin
2015-12-29T11:18:48 < dongs> let's make an affordable 10gbe switch
2015-12-29T11:18:56 < dongs> who wanna get NDA with broadscum or marvell
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2015-12-29T11:22:59 < PeterM> i wonder if it would be less effort to just pay someone to do it in an fpga
2015-12-29T11:23:12 < dongs> rusure
2015-12-29T11:23:20 < PeterM> no idea
2015-12-29T11:23:36 < dongs> FPGAs with 10gbe transcivers dont sound cheap
2015-12-29T11:23:49 < dongs> or 10gbit in general
2015-12-29T11:23:55 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/USB-charge-current-detection-load-tester-with-switch-to-2A-1A-discharge-aging-resistance/32343440505.html
2015-12-29T11:24:00 < PeterM> sounds cheaper than 100k unints so broadscum listen to you
2015-12-29T11:24:09 < dongs> rite
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2015-12-29T11:33:48 < dongs> http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s453172 ..
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2015-12-29T11:37:49 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/family/134/Intel-Ethernet-Switching-Components
2015-12-29T11:37:52 < dongs> intel makes shit too
2015-12-29T11:38:20 < dongs> Recommended Customer PriceTRAY: $726.53
2015-12-29T11:38:22 < dongs> jesus wtf
2015-12-29T11:38:32 < zyp> dongs, I've considered dicking around with that
2015-12-29T11:38:36 < zyp> how many ports do you need?
2015-12-29T11:38:37 < dongs> zyp, lets do it
2015-12-29T11:38:39 < dongs> <= 8
2015-12-29T11:38:51 < dongs> it has ot be < $200 total
2015-12-29T11:38:56 < dongs> so mere mortals can aofford it
2015-12-29T11:39:04 < zyp> and fanless
2015-12-29T11:39:09 < zyp> would be nice
2015-12-29T11:41:25 < zyp> I looked at those chipsets with 4 10GbE uplinks and a bunch of 1G ports
2015-12-29T11:41:41 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-29T11:41:46 < dongs> that would be not too bad either
2015-12-29T11:41:59 < zyp> would suit me just fine
2015-12-29T11:43:04 < dongs> waht exists with 4 10gbe links and 1G ports?
2015-12-29T11:43:08 < dongs> that isnt NDA"d as fuck
2015-12-29T11:43:08 < PeterM> does 10g over copper support half duplex + hubs :P
2015-12-29T11:43:23 < zyp> it's probably NDA'd as fuck still
2015-12-29T11:44:19 < zyp> that vitesse shit
2015-12-29T11:44:41 < zyp> 4x 10G and a bunch of SGMII ports on the switch core
2015-12-29T11:44:46 < dongs> ah some vitesse trash is on digikey
2015-12-29T11:45:13 < zyp> SGMII wraps four 1G ports in a single pair of differential lanes
2015-12-29T11:45:52 < zyp> could make some modular shit with the switch core on one board and a bunch of extension slots with SGMII for PHY boards
2015-12-29T11:50:08 < dongs> sure
2015-12-29T11:50:26 < dongs> lol vitesse.com doenst connect web
2015-12-29T11:50:45 < zyp> yeah, I was going to find the shit I looked at, but site i s down
2015-12-29T11:51:05 < dongs> Microsemi completes acquisition of Vitesse — Microsemi, a provider of industrial and enterprise semiconductor solutions, made a move to acquire Vitesse for $389 million.
2015-12-29T11:51:21 < dongs> http://www.microsemi.com/products/ethernet-solutions/10g-ethernet-phys
2015-12-29T11:51:35 < dongs> and http://www.microsemi.com/products/ethernet-solutions/ethernet-switches
2015-12-29T11:51:38 < dongs> looks liek all vitessi shit
2015-12-29T11:52:01 < dongs> why teh fuck none of them list if its gbe or 10gbe
2015-12-29T11:52:19 < Rob235_> do you have to do anything special to read an i2c bytestream with dma?
2015-12-29T11:53:37 < Rob235_> I initialize the transfer, enable dma and on the logic analyzer after reading 2 bytes of 0x00 (doubt that is correct) sda and scl stay low
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2015-12-29T11:57:03 < dongs> did you know the time you waste to setup DMA for 2 bytes...
2015-12-29T11:57:12 < dongs> is probly more than if you just transfer and poll
2015-12-29T11:57:37 < Rob235_> its not supposed to be just 2 bytes but I'm thinking you may be right anyway
2015-12-29T11:57:49 < Rob235_> its supposed to be 36 i think
2015-12-29T11:58:34 < Rob235_> 32
2015-12-29T11:59:05 < dongs> microsemi bought actel too
2015-12-29T12:00:28 < zyp> I saw some DSP board using a vitesse chip
2015-12-29T12:00:51 < zyp> bunch of fast DSP chips with gigabit ports, hooked to a switch chip and 10G out
2015-12-29T12:01:04 < dongs> This server could not prove that it is ethernet.microsemi.com; its security certificate is from *.vitesse.com. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection.
2015-12-29T12:01:09 < dongs> lul
2015-12-29T12:01:15 < zyp> haha
2015-12-29T12:01:22 < dongs> fucking newbs
2015-12-29T12:03:02 < dongs> http://linuxgizmos.com/2015-saw-more-than-100-billion-dollars-in-chip-maker-merger-and-acquisition-action/
2015-12-29T12:04:49 < dongs> Dialog Semiconductor bids for Atmel (pending) — The proposed $4.6 billion acquisition would create a global leader in both power management and embedded processing solutions.
2015-12-29T12:04:53 < dongs> lol that would be great
2015-12-29T12:04:59 < dongs> finally kill tarduino
2015-12-29T12:05:11 < Rob235_> if the fifo updates every 5ms then 3ms of data transfer seems worth it to set up dma
2015-12-29T12:05:43 < dongs> NXP acquires Athena SCS — In another move to establish itself in the IoT market, NXP acquired Athena SCS, a provider of solutions securing the rapidly expanding connected world. Athena SCS Ltd. is an independent UK-based developer of state-of-the art smart card solutions for access, enterprise, eGovernment, transportation, payment and mobile solutions.
2015-12-29T12:05:48 < dongs> huh??!
2015-12-29T12:05:54 < dongs> im buying thier smartcard shit
2015-12-29T12:05:56 < dongs> i've not heard of this
2015-12-29T12:05:57 < dongs> haha
2015-12-29T12:06:39 < dongs> i guess broadcom is no more anyway.
2015-12-29T12:06:47 < dongs> i wonder if avago will drop 100k units requiremnt
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2015-12-29T12:13:28 < dongs> https://www.broadcom.com/products/ethernet-communication-and-switching/switching/bcm56150
2015-12-29T12:13:32 < dongs> that looks good
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2015-12-29T12:15:02 < dongs> https://www.broadcom.com/products/ethernet-communication-and-switching/switching/bcm5341x
2015-12-29T12:15:33 < dongs> 500 mW per 10G port
2015-12-29T12:15:55 < dongs> hmm G2 suddenly bootlooping
2015-12-29T12:17:10 < dongs> oh there it goes
2015-12-29T12:17:46 < dongs> the battery must have been too low
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2015-12-29T13:00:05 < dongs> how many 10g serdes is needed for ethernet?
2015-12-29T13:00:07 < dongs> one per port? or two
2015-12-29T13:00:18 < zyp> tx and rx
2015-12-29T13:00:43 < dongs> lattice has 10g fpgas
2015-12-29T13:00:48 < dongs> "low cost"
2015-12-29T13:00:57 < zyp> haha
2015-12-29T13:01:10 < dongs> LatticeECP2M
2015-12-29T13:01:33 < dongs> hm wat
2015-12-29T13:01:39 < dongs> upo to 3.125g
2015-12-29T13:01:44 < dongs> where did the dumb press r elease see 10g
2015-12-29T13:01:46 < zyp> I think there's a gap between my HDL knowledge and what's required to make a 10G switch
2015-12-29T13:03:25 < dongs> wtf is SPI 4.2
2015-12-29T13:03:42 < dongs> oh wtf its not THAT spi
2015-12-29T13:03:44 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPI-4.2
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2015-12-29T13:07:13 < zyp> yeah, it's some weird shit
2015-12-29T13:13:42 < zyp> I mean, 36 lanes for a single port
2015-12-29T13:13:49 < dongs> waste
2015-12-29T13:37:12 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/371519669655 nice deal
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2015-12-29T13:45:02 < Steffanx> From yet another old philips employees company :)
2015-12-29T13:45:15 < Steffanx> We have to many of those in the netherlands
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2015-12-29T13:48:14 < gordonjcp> dongs: oooh
2015-12-29T13:55:33 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/76302/Intel-Ethernet-Switch-FM5224 8 10g ports, 463$ for chip
2015-12-29T13:55:36 < dongs> fucking scam holy shit
2015-12-29T13:56:46 < dongs> https://github.com/tmatsuya/wiki/wiki/FPGA_10G
2015-12-29T13:56:49 < dongs> some jappu code
2015-12-29T14:05:15 < MightyPork> hi, anyone know how to get arm-none-eabi-gcc to produce the RBIT instruction?
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2015-12-29T14:07:04 < Steffanx> inline assembly is not an option MightyPork?
2015-12-29T14:07:24 < MightyPork> trying to make it as a macro, but that'd be the second option
2015-12-29T14:07:41 < Steffanx> cmsis might already have it.
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2015-12-29T14:08:20  * MightyPork googles CMSIS source
2015-12-29T14:13:44 < Steffanx> not using the perihperal lib MightyPork?
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2015-12-29T14:14:14 < MightyPork> no, this is a "vanilla c" project (not my bad idea, school stuff)
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2015-12-29T14:21:18 < dongs> MightyPork: cmsis stuff is usually just __INSN
2015-12-29T14:21:21 < dongs> so __RBIT() should work
2015-12-29T14:21:29 < MightyPork> I'm not using cmsis
2015-12-29T14:21:33 < dongs> ...
2015-12-29T14:21:50 < dongs> why?
2015-12-29T14:21:59 < MightyPork> see above
2015-12-29T14:22:00 < dongs> because all cmsis does is uses whatever compiler native way of inlining instruction
2015-12-29T14:22:05 < dongs> cmsis is not a lib
2015-12-29T14:22:21 < Steffanx> <MightyPork> no, this is a "vanilla c" project (not my bad idea, school stuff) <= that dongs.
2015-12-29T14:22:31 < dongs> i saw that
2015-12-29T14:22:34 < dongs> cmsis is C.
2015-12-29T14:22:40 < MightyPork> cmsis isn't allowed, thats why
2015-12-29T14:22:43 < dongs> what's his program gonna look like
2015-12-29T14:22:50 < dongs> 0x4001220 = 0xDEADBEEF; ?
2015-12-29T14:22:55 < MightyPork> actually looks perfectly fine so far
2015-12-29T14:23:03 < MightyPork> i have my own defintiion files
2015-12-29T14:23:15 < dongs> then go and use whatever shitty compiler you're using inline asm
2015-12-29T14:23:40 < MightyPork> why shitty, what
2015-12-29T14:23:46 < dongs> its gcc right?
2015-12-29T14:23:53 < MightyPork> yes I'm on gcc
2015-12-29T14:24:18 < Steffanx> Wrong answer: The right answer is: ARMCC
2015-12-29T14:24:19 < dongs> http://gcc.godbolt.org/# fuck wiht this until you see it emitting rbit
2015-12-29T14:24:36 < dongs> if you're really bored that is
2015-12-29T14:24:54 < dongs> but seeing how gcc  doesn't emit REV16 properly
2015-12-29T14:24:59 < dongs> i doubt it'll be emitting rbit from C code either
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2015-12-29T14:27:24 < MightyPork> armcc is awful. may work better for this, but it's a very different syntax
2015-12-29T14:27:36 < dongs> last i checked C was pretty standard
2015-12-29T14:27:47 < dongs> i prefer compilers that do the job compiling
2015-12-29T14:27:53 < dongs> instead of writing shit in ASM half the time
2015-12-29T14:27:57 < MightyPork> ie it uses __ASM instead of __asm__
2015-12-29T14:29:25 < dongs> armcc doesn't evne allow writing inline asm in most cases
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2015-12-29T14:29:36 < dongs> because unless you're SUPER PRO, chances are, it'll make better asm out of your C code.
2015-12-29T14:32:54 < dongs> http://articles.leetcode.com/2011/08/reverse-bits.html
2015-12-29T14:33:01 < dongs> i wonder if gcc will emit rbit for this stuff
2015-12-29T14:33:06 < dongs> you can try it with that online compiler thing.
2015-12-29T14:37:06 < Steffanx> but will armcc?
2015-12-29T14:39:44 < MightyPork> i got it to work with the inline asm so guess that solves it for now
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2015-12-29T15:15:56 < kakimir> o/
2015-12-29T15:16:04 < kakimir> celeron55: how is our boards?
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2015-12-29T16:43:41 < dongs> Marvell Prestera 98DX8212
2015-12-29T16:43:42 < dongs> hmm
2015-12-29T16:43:43 < dongs> that looks nice
2015-12-29T16:43:45 < dongs> 12 10gbe ports
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2015-12-29T16:45:47 < dongs> Enables coexistence in SDN and cloud-centric models
2015-12-29T16:45:48 < dongs> fuck yes
2015-12-29T16:46:05 < dongs> this is just the thing I was worried about
2015-12-29T16:46:43 < dongs> http://www.marvell.com/switching/assets/LinkStreet_88E6390X_FINAL2.pdf
2015-12-29T16:46:44 < dongs> hmm
2015-12-29T16:46:47 < dongs> that should be cheaper.
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2015-12-29T16:48:22 < dongs> http://avnetexpress.avnet.com/store/em/EMController/Development-Kits/Marvell/DB1-88E6390-1/_/R-5004615678262/A-5004615678262/An-0?action=part&catalogId=500201&langId=&storeId=500201&listIndex=-1&page=3&rank=16
2015-12-29T16:48:26 < dongs> $500 devboard
2015-12-29T16:48:27 < dongs> that looks promising
2015-12-29T16:48:34 < dongs> so the chip itself at least cant be > $500
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2015-12-29T16:54:23 < dongs> and doesnt need crap like external 32bit ddr3
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2015-12-29T16:56:57 < dongs> oh
2015-12-29T16:58:14 < dongs> Multiple vendors have demonstrated XAUI interoperability. All devices tested were designed to the IEEE 802.3ae pecification. Each vendor has demonstrated bit error rates of 10-12 over PC board traces of 50 cm length
2015-12-29T16:58:18 < dongs> super pro
2015-12-29T17:02:23 < DanteA> Like dongie
2015-12-29T17:02:30 < dongs> nope
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2015-12-29T17:54:05 < nullprobe> Hi guys, I'm implementing an USB CDC serial communication between my Raspberry Pi and my Cortex M3 micro. Everything works just fine and I'm able to get and send data. The only problem is that it lose some bytes if I'll transfer a big buffer. I think is because I'm not reading from the application fast enough (on the cortex side). Is there a way to "stop" my Raspberry from sending data? Like a CTS? Thanks!
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2015-12-29T17:54:39 < jpa-> nullprobe: the USB peripheral should do that automatically
2015-12-29T17:54:53 < jpa-> by not acking the packets it does not have space to receive
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2015-12-29T18:07:46 < nullprobe> jpa-, thanks! Let me try one thing, I think there is a problem in my USB registered ep handler, basically inside the bulk_out_hdlr I do a ReadEP() withoud checking if I have space in my FIFO
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2015-12-29T18:23:17 < Getty> amazon people are awkward..... 202 1-star ratings on mad max fury road (out of 855)
2015-12-29T18:23:39 < Getty> (in compare: rotten tomatoes gives that movie a 97%)
2015-12-29T18:24:06 < kakimir> how about imdb
2015-12-29T18:24:24 < Getty> 8,2
2015-12-29T18:24:38 < Getty> a bit underrated in my eyes but still at least in the right class of movies
2015-12-29T18:25:03 < Steffanx> "in my eyes" at least you said that.
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2015-12-29T18:25:44 < Getty> yeah well, i think there is always a bit personal touch in movies, i try to keep it objective, but thats hard to expect from others ;)
2015-12-29T18:26:11 < Getty> mad max fury road is like really epic, it is modern possibilities with the same movie spirit we learned to love in our youth
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2015-12-29T18:27:00 < Steffanx> but one has to like those long car chasing stuff with too much holywood (imho)
2015-12-29T18:27:20 < Steffanx> *this
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2015-12-29T18:29:26 < Getty> steffanx: i found the balance good, the mix of a pretty solid story and the action
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2015-12-29T18:29:38 < Getty> what i liked specific was the amount of screentime of the guitar guy
2015-12-29T18:29:42 < Getty> it was like EXACTLY the right amount
2015-12-29T18:30:11 < Getty> i dont know why, but it was exactly enough to wave you the epicness of this, but on the other dont give you enough time to think how ridicioulus this is
2015-12-29T18:31:34 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9P9_QM8cN8
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2015-12-29T18:33:14 < Laurenceb_> I was watching under the skin recently
2015-12-29T18:33:17 < Laurenceb_> that was decent
2015-12-29T18:33:19 < CipherWizard> They should also make it jump/fly
2015-12-29T18:33:37 < GargantuaSauce> it probably does not have a power:weight ratio >1
2015-12-29T18:34:14 < CipherWizard> True
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2015-12-29T18:42:35 < nullprobe> jpa-, I had a look and I'm not sure how to manage the registered ep handler: If I receive the event from USB, and I have space on my FIFO I'll do a UsbApi->hw->ReadEP() call and I return OK, but if I don't have space, I don't call the read function and I return en error I guess? Does the interrupt call the handler again with the same data later? Because from what I can see, it seems like stopped and never resumed.
2015-12-29T18:42:35 < nullprobe> Thanks ;)
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2015-12-29T18:53:43 < jpa-> nullprobe: not sure which usb api you are using, but i would assume you simply set a flag for yourself somewhere, and when you have space you call ReadEP()
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2015-12-29T18:57:50 < nullprobe> jpa-, Oh I see what you mean, you are actually right! Is the correct way to manage this situation? Because in this way I need to expose the context of the last callback to the handler.. "ErrorCode_t VCOM_bulk_out_hdlr(USBD_HANDLE_T hUsb, void *data, uint32_t event);"
2015-12-29T18:58:37 < jpa-> dunno, check the documentation for the usb stack you are using
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2015-12-29T19:03:09 < nullprobe> jpa-, thanks for your help! There is not much documentation on this library, and I think is close source too.. I'll try to expose these and if it works cool, otherwise I'll investigate more about it.
2015-12-29T19:03:33 < nullprobe> Thanks again!
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2015-12-29T19:16:40 < qyx> any idea how extend those AR9331 modules with some more inteligent peripherals?
2015-12-29T19:16:57 < qyx> they have usb host, maybe hooking stm32 to it will do the job
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2015-12-29T19:39:39 < Laurenceb_> lulwut http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35195311
2015-12-29T19:39:59 < Laurenceb_> worlds stupidist terrorist
2015-12-29T19:40:17 < Laurenceb_>  "I know I'll make a blog about my bombmaking"
2015-12-29T19:42:56 < upgrdman_> such bravery /sarc
2015-12-29T19:43:44 < Laurenceb_> social media syndrome
2015-12-29T19:43:56 < Laurenceb_> compulsively blogging _everything_
2015-12-29T19:44:00 < upgrdman_> oh is that was SMS stands for
2015-12-29T19:44:08 < upgrdman_> ;)
2015-12-29T19:44:45 < BrainDamage> yeah, and the lol in laurenceb's message stands for lucifer our lord
2015-12-29T19:44:59 < upgrdman_> nice
2015-12-29T19:45:07  * Laurenceb_ sacrifices a goat
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2015-12-29T19:53:00 < Steffanx> Aah, you did what i asked for a while ago Laurenceb_
2015-12-29T19:53:00 < Steffanx> 2015-12-14T21:40:40 < Steffanx> what kind of syndrome do you have Laurenceb?
2015-12-29T19:53:10 < Steffanx> 2015-12-14T21:42:26 < Steffanx> or tell me when you figured out :P
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2015-12-29T21:51:11 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/a/ztlGN
2015-12-29T21:51:12 < ReadError> #japshit
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2015-12-29T22:42:20 < Rob235> doo bee doobee doo
2015-12-29T22:45:14 < Fleck> ;p
2015-12-29T22:45:58 < Rob235> i dont feel like debugging this stupid problem
2015-12-29T22:47:26 < ReadError> with i2c??
2015-12-29T22:48:15 < Rob235> I think the i2c is working fine. I think I'm setting up this sensor board incorrectly or something
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2015-12-29T22:49:06 < Rob235> which is odd because I'm just copying and pasting my i2c commands from my arduino code which worked fine
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2015-12-29T22:50:31 < Rob235> using a logic analyzer the i2c commands are sent/read but as soon as I try to read the fifo data, it reads 2 bytes and hangs
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2015-12-29T22:54:51 < upgrdman_> i wish logitech would make mice with little fans inside of them. for some reason my hand gets sweaty when using a mouse, even if it's cold as fuck.
2015-12-29T22:59:45 < upgrdman_> no. i was just drawing some piece of shit in SolidWorks
2015-12-29T23:00:01 < upgrdman_> surprisingly easy. today was my first time playing with CAD
2015-12-29T23:00:13 < upgrdman_> R2COM, free as in CD with crack.exe
2015-12-29T23:00:16 < upgrdman_> err DVD
2015-12-29T23:00:23 < ReadError> solidworks is the bestest
2015-12-29T23:00:34 < ReadError> sketchup is fucking retarded
2015-12-29T23:00:55 < sterna> go Freecad!
2015-12-29T23:01:49 < sterna> but yeah, SolidWorks is the bestest
2015-12-29T23:02:04 < sterna> unfortunately it only runs in windows
2015-12-29T23:02:24 < upgrdman_> lunix
2015-12-29T23:02:30 < sterna> osx
2015-12-29T23:02:35 < upgrdman_> err, gnu/lunix. sorry RMS.
2015-12-29T23:02:36 < ReadError> i use it in OSX fine
2015-12-29T23:02:39 < ReadError> in parallels
2015-12-29T23:03:06 < upgrdman_> ya. Windows 3.1 or GTFO.
2015-12-29T23:03:25 < Rob235> is parallels good? I just use vmware fusion to virtualize my bootcamp partition
2015-12-29T23:03:46 < sterna> my windows installation is really weird, so paralllells won't start it
2015-12-29T23:03:51 < Rob235> oh is that what parallels is? I thought it was an emulator like wine
2015-12-29T23:04:14 < sterna> parellells is a virtualization tool, like vmware or virtual box
2015-12-29T23:04:36 < sterna> I think there actually is Wine for OSX
2015-12-29T23:04:54 < Rob235> I'm happy with vmware fusion
2015-12-29T23:05:04 < sterna> I used to use it
2015-12-29T23:05:09 < ReadError> I have both
2015-12-29T23:05:15 < ReadError> i think parallels runs some things better
2015-12-29T23:05:17 < ReadError> like altium
2015-12-29T23:05:26 < ReadError> and solidworks
2015-12-29T23:05:34 < ReadError> but for lunix crap I use fusion
2015-12-29T23:06:06 < sterna> ReadError: do you have a virtual installation of windows, or is it installed via bootcamp?
2015-12-29T23:06:14 < ReadError> virtual
2015-12-29T23:06:18 < sterna> ok
2015-12-29T23:06:23 < ReadError> i have like 5 vms that sit on a dedicated SSD
2015-12-29T23:06:29 < sterna> thatäs nice
2015-12-29T23:06:34 < sterna> *that's
2015-12-29T23:06:37 < ReadError> easy to switch between them, normally keep 2 runnning at a time
2015-12-29T23:06:53 < Rob235> I wish windows showed up as activated in vmware, I guess I could always call microsoft
2015-12-29T23:06:58 < ReadError> just rsync stuff to a laptop when i need to go mobile
2015-12-29T23:07:04 < ReadError> works great
2015-12-29T23:07:16 < sterna> I have a windows installation and a ubuntu installation on my HDD which I can boot into
2015-12-29T23:07:48 < sterna> my secondary drive that is, my primary is an SSD with the OSX system
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2015-12-29T23:08:13 < sterna> I haven't actually booted any of the other systems for more than a year, since I can do what I want to under OSX
2015-12-29T23:08:30 < sterna> (using Eagle for electronics and Freecad for mechanical CAD)
2015-12-29T23:09:06 < ReadError> eagle ;((((((((((((((((
2015-12-29T23:09:29 < Rob235> I have vmware running windows for my stm32 ide
2015-12-29T23:09:35 < Rob235> they need a mac ide
2015-12-29T23:09:42 < sterna> eclipse?
2015-12-29T23:10:04 < sterna> check out the gnu arm eclipse plugin
2015-12-29T23:10:11 < sterna> that's what I'm using
2015-12-29T23:10:20 < Rob235> interesting thanks
2015-12-29T23:10:27 < sterna> it's actually quite easy to set up, when you have done it
2015-12-29T23:10:30 < Rob235> i'm using coocox coide which is based on eclipse but only for windows
2015-12-29T23:10:50 < sterna> coide is ok, mostly thanks to the ease of setup
2015-12-29T23:10:59 < sterna> I used it at work before
2015-12-29T23:11:31 < Rob235> it has a lot of problems too but I mostly enjoy it.  setting up eclipse would probably be better
2015-12-29T23:13:13 < sterna> anyway, short version for setting it up: get the the gnu-none-eabi-gcc for arm and install it, get openocd (there are also precombiled binaries), get eclipse and install the gnu arm eclipse plugin (don't forget the openocd plugin that comes with it)
2015-12-29T23:13:42 < sterna> also the stm32-templates (included in gnu arm eclipse)
2015-12-29T23:13:56 < Rob235> sounds easy enough
2015-12-29T23:14:00 < sterna> now you can set up projects for most processors as well as debugging for them
2015-12-29T23:14:10 < sterna> it's a little harder than setting up coide
2015-12-29T23:14:11 < ReadError> chibistudio is nice
2015-12-29T23:14:19 < ReadError> in terms of having everything working/setup
2015-12-29T23:14:27 < sterna> isn't chibistudi also only for windows?
2015-12-29T23:14:28 < ReadError> even for non-chibi stuff it works fine
2015-12-29T23:14:30 < ReadError> ya
2015-12-29T23:14:38 < ReadError> but it doesnt have 'cox' in the name
2015-12-29T23:14:44 < sterna> haha
2015-12-29T23:14:49 < Rob235> my project is probably 75% done, no point in switching right now
2015-12-29T23:15:11 < sterna> of course not, but if you want you could check it for the next project
2015-12-29T23:15:17 < Rob235> yea definitely
2015-12-29T23:15:19 < sterna> I actually took a look at chibiOS these past days
2015-12-29T23:15:34 < sterna> I stopped, since I couldn't understand anything of it
2015-12-29T23:15:52 < sterna> seemed like a huge mess
2015-12-29T23:15:58 < ReadError> hm  no its quite great
2015-12-29T23:16:22 < sterna> so I've heard, which is why I wanted to try it out
2015-12-29T23:16:28 < ReadError> im 3/4 retarded and ive managed to make stuff work
2015-12-29T23:16:29 < Rob235> what is it? a bunch of libraries that make setting things up easy?
2015-12-29T23:16:44 < ReadError> Rob235, the HAL stuff is wonderful
2015-12-29T23:16:56 < sterna> I mean, I got it to compile and run, but I just can't get started with their HAL
2015-12-29T23:17:21 < Rob235> I've been using stdperiph
2015-12-29T23:17:45 < ReadError> sterna, the demos are a very good reference
2015-12-29T23:17:52 < ReadError> they have one for pretty much everything
2015-12-29T23:17:56 < sterna> the main reason I wanted to try it was because I didn't like that ST discontinued stperiph for newer chips in favour of their HAL-lib and that cube-thing
2015-12-29T23:18:18 < ReadError> the main author, I believe he works for ST
2015-12-29T23:18:41 < ReadError> waiting for f7 nucleo
2015-12-29T23:18:49 < ReadError> then i can right horrible code that runs fast!
2015-12-29T23:18:54 < ReadError> write**
2015-12-29T23:18:54 < sterna> I still found chibiOS really hard to setup properly
2015-12-29T23:19:08 < ReadError> hm?
2015-12-29T23:19:13 < ReadError> the make files pretty easy
2015-12-29T23:19:30 < upgrdman_> R2COM, what hdl sim software have you used, and which one did you hate the least.
2015-12-29T23:19:37 < upgrdman_> or anyone else for that matter ^
2015-12-29T23:19:52 < sterna> eclipse doesn't quite like it, as in I don't get all autocompletions etc I would like
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2015-12-29T23:20:12 < mtbg> hi
2015-12-29T23:20:21 < upgrdman_> hi
2015-12-29T23:20:21 < sterna> sure, it was rather easy (but still somewhat clunky) to setup a demo
2015-12-29T23:20:32 < ReadError> sterna, hmm works here
2015-12-29T23:21:20 < Rob235> ugh I guess I should get back to work.  I have no idea how I'm going to figure out what is being initialized incorrectly.  There is too much setup for this mpu
2015-12-29T23:21:46 < sterna> but when I wanted to create my own project based on one of the demos (as was recommended) I had to do an ugly hack to make it work properly
2015-12-29T23:22:06 < sterna> then I was completely lost when trying to write the code I wanted
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2015-12-29T23:23:17 < sterna> also, they recently changed to chibiOS 3.0, but most of the documentation is till on 2.x
2015-12-29T23:23:27 < sterna> which makes stuff really confusing
2015-12-29T23:24:07 < ReadError> hm no theres a diff documentation for 3.0
2015-12-29T23:24:16 < ReadError> all the dox are doxygen
2015-12-29T23:24:27 < Rob235> last time coide was updated was in may.  I tried 2.0 (I think it's in beta) and it was unusable.  I'm hoping they release an update soon
2015-12-29T23:24:29 < sterna> yay, doxygen…
2015-12-29T23:24:39 < ReadError> when Tectu isnt banging swiss escorts, hes a chibi pro
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2015-12-29T23:25:15 < sterna> I find the demos really confusing with setups for some driver
2015-12-29T23:25:23 < sterna> since they don't tell what is what
2015-12-29T23:25:54 < sterna> I mean, if it says like this:
2015-12-29T23:26:08 < sterna>  /*
2015-12-29T23:26:08 < sterna>  * Maximum speed SPI configuration (21MHz, CPHA=0, CPOL=0, MSb first).
2015-12-29T23:26:08 < sterna>  */
2015-12-29T23:26:08 < sterna> static const SPIConfig hs_spicfg = {
2015-12-29T23:26:08 < sterna>   NULL,
2015-12-29T23:26:09 < sterna>   GPIOB,
2015-12-29T23:26:09 < sterna>   12,
2015-12-29T23:26:10 < sterna>   0
2015-12-29T23:26:10 < sterna> };
2015-12-29T23:26:20 < ReadError> yea in eclipse
2015-12-29T23:26:22 < sterna> how is SPI then configured?
2015-12-29T23:26:25 < ReadError> i just click SPIConfig
2015-12-29T23:26:30 < ReadError> and it takes me to the define thing
2015-12-29T23:26:35 < Tectu> sterna, look up the fields of the struct in the documentation
2015-12-29T23:26:36 < ReadError> or hover over and it tells me the params
2015-12-29T23:26:43 < Tectu> or be gay like ReadError and use an IDE
2015-12-29T23:26:48 < Tectu> ReadError <3
2015-12-29T23:26:57 < sterna> sure, but it's still an extra step
2015-12-29T23:27:05 < ReadError> vs?
2015-12-29T23:27:13 < Tectu> well, you added an abstraction layer - there´s now one more step, yes :)
2015-12-29T23:27:26 < mtbg> https://gfycat.com/FocusedColdDuck
2015-12-29T23:27:28 < Tectu> if you use STM32Cube you´d have to look up the docs too, no?
2015-12-29T23:27:31 < ReadError> better than setting up like 30 likes of stdperiph
2015-12-29T23:27:51 < Tectu> mtbg, holy shit :D
2015-12-29T23:28:08 < sterna> something I liked with the stdperiph is that you assing each field of the initstruct with some parameter
2015-12-29T23:28:18 < sterna> then you could se directly which parameter was what
2015-12-29T23:28:34 < sterna> it had at least semi-good names
2015-12-29T23:29:29 < Tectu> sterna, what´s your reason not to use CubeHAL anymore?
2015-12-29T23:29:42 < sterna> none, really
2015-12-29T23:29:48 < sterna> I haven't used it much
2015-12-29T23:30:12 < ReadError> clive1 does not approve of cube
2015-12-29T23:30:13 < Tectu> err, either I don´t understand your answer or you have misread my question :D
2015-12-29T23:30:37 < sterna> I ahve been using stdperiph for some while
2015-12-29T23:30:53 < sterna> I don't like cube (as that autogenerating crap) at all
2015-12-29T23:31:35 < Tectu> CubeHAL is just the replacement for the stdperiph - a few source files and headers, nothing more.
2015-12-29T23:31:36 < sterna> but the HAL I have nothing against, apart from being different from stdperiph, which I'm very used to
2015-12-29T23:31:44 < Tectu> nobody uses the CubeMX stuff (the generator crap) really, I guess
2015-12-29T23:32:04 < sterna> yeah, I'm actually currently looking into cubehal
2015-12-29T23:32:12 < sterna> but they changed all the names :(
2015-12-29T23:32:22 < sterna> well, thay added HAL before everythinh
2015-12-29T23:32:53 < sterna> also, that callback thingamajig didn't work
2015-12-29T23:33:06 < sterna> at least not for systick
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2015-12-29T23:40:05 < Rob235> I have an mpu9250 and I'm checking my code by initializing everything (using DMP) and after that in a loop just reading the fifo count and displaying it.  most times it just repeats 0 but sometimes it counts up (I have it reset the fifo after the count > 800) and it will loop like that a bunch of times and then goes back to repeating one number (usually 0 but sometimes 192 or 1024).
2015-12-29T23:40:19 < Rob235> I'm really doubting I'll get any help but I'm throwing a hail mary
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2015-12-30T00:12:51 < upgrdman_> R2COM, did you see my q?
2015-12-30T00:15:18 < upgrdman_> which do you prefer
2015-12-30T00:17:52 < ReadError> Rob235
2015-12-30T00:17:56 < ReadError> why not SPI it?
2015-12-30T00:18:13 < Rob235> what do you mean
2015-12-30T00:18:46 < ReadError> the mpu
2015-12-30T00:18:59 < ReadError> and not deal with all the i2c stuff
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2015-12-30T00:34:56 < sterna> use SPI
2015-12-30T00:34:59 < sterna> it's much better
2015-12-30T00:35:28 < sterna> as the I2C module in STM32 is severely broken (on never chips it's mostly fixed)
2015-12-30T00:35:34 < sterna> *newer
2015-12-30T00:35:51 < sterna> who the fuck named this in STs HAL lib?
2015-12-30T00:36:13 < sterna> you can set GPIO speed to: low, medium, fast or high
2015-12-30T00:36:26 < sterna> which is faster, high or fast?
2015-12-30T00:36:42 < sterna> must be the same people who named USB standards
2015-12-30T00:36:49 < sterna> probable people from US
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2015-12-30T00:43:42 < upgrdman_> R2COM, is modelsim nice?
2015-12-30T00:43:51 < upgrdman_> i mean, like would you pay for it?
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2015-12-30T00:47:52 < sterna> ok, how the fuck is this supposed to work?
2015-12-30T00:48:09 < sterna> that thing with HAL_periph_MspInit
2015-12-30T00:48:17 < sterna> for example, I'm trying to setup my uart
2015-12-30T00:49:00 < sterna> the documentation says I'm supposed to setup a HAL_UART_MspInit(UART_HandleTypeDef *huart) function
2015-12-30T00:49:27 < sterna> UM1725
2015-12-30T00:49:46 < sterna> Description of STM32F4xx HAL drivers
2015-12-30T00:49:58 < sterna> ST
2015-12-30T00:50:11 < sterna> it's their official library
2015-12-30T00:50:27 < sterna> registers is a little to low for me actually
2015-12-30T00:51:03 < sterna> I switch processors etc so often
2015-12-30T00:51:20 < sterna> that I'd rather use a little higher level
2015-12-30T00:52:01 < sterna> yeah, sure
2015-12-30T00:52:03 < sterna> well, I DO use registers sometimes
2015-12-30T00:52:34 < sterna> when stuff doesn't work
2015-12-30T00:53:03 < sterna> I might
2015-12-30T00:53:27 < sterna> but what is the reason there is a big library then?
2015-12-30T00:58:32 < sterna> I'm just curious for some example code (because they don't have that in the reference) to see how it's supposed to be solved
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2015-12-30T01:02:50 < sterna> in the old stdperiph, they had a bunch of nice examples
2015-12-30T01:05:22 < upgrdman_> R2COM, jeez. more comment blocks than code
2015-12-30T01:14:21 < andrzej_duda> 18
2015-12-30T01:14:24 < andrzej_duda> whoops
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2015-12-30T01:24:35 < kakimir> bubba
2015-12-30T01:29:31 < kakimir> you are not allowed to chat
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2015-12-30T02:15:06 < jadew> don't remember who I was discussing this with, but I found that nice third hand tool: http://www.grstools.com/for-jewelry-work/third-hands-and-soldering-stations/third-hand-with-soldering-station.html
2015-12-30T02:17:51 < jadew> it looks more reliable than the cheap ones
2015-12-30T02:18:08 < jadew> lenghtier arms
2015-12-30T02:18:16 < jadew> the clamps seem higher quality too
2015-12-30T02:26:30 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNu4pcFq15Y#t=2m50s
2015-12-30T02:50:08 < Getty> http://i.imgur.com/r2DeU47.gifv
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2015-12-30T03:56:21 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdWNKVFU1ZlVJTms/view?usp=sharing little things ugly
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2015-12-30T04:21:41 < upgrdman> no chatz :(
2015-12-30T04:22:46 < Getty> ?
2015-12-30T04:22:58 < Getty> you need company? depressed from life?
2015-12-30T04:23:02 < upgrdman> its fucking quiet in here
2015-12-30T04:23:08 < Getty> ooooohhhhhhhh
2015-12-30T04:23:10 < upgrdman> just bored
2015-12-30T04:23:49 < Getty> http://i.imgur.com/42I4HaJ.gif
2015-12-30T04:23:51 < kakimir> :29 < kakimir> you are not allowed to chat
2015-12-30T04:23:53 < kakimir> 01:29 < kakimir> you are not allowed to chat
2015-12-30T04:24:39 < upgrdman> kakimir, suck it
2015-12-30T04:27:25 < Getty> i just watched grudge match
2015-12-30T04:27:36 < Getty> amazing movie, totally far away from what you would expect
2015-12-30T04:28:06 < englishman> everyone is always chatting in #arduino
2015-12-30T04:28:12 < englishman> why don't you try that
2015-12-30T04:28:17 < Getty> well a lot of shit has to be cleared up ;)
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2015-12-30T04:48:20 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WHBlPvK3Ek
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2015-12-30T05:01:40 < Getty> ARGHL amazon changed design
2015-12-30T05:01:57 < Getty> now my eyes are bleeding seeing the pay button
2015-12-30T05:03:38 < kakimir> use jewbay
2015-12-30T05:04:02 < Getty> who the hell uses jewbay?!?!?
2015-12-30T05:06:22 < kakimir> for crap
2015-12-30T05:06:37 < Getty> but i always said, if i get the chance to travel back in time at the start of internet
2015-12-30T05:06:41 < Getty> i would create ebay
2015-12-30T05:06:58 < Getty> and just fix their mistake of not including the real sold products in a fitting environment
2015-12-30T05:07:06 < Getty> cause then i would be ebay+amazon
2015-12-30T05:07:17 < Getty> and for SURE the biggest empire
2015-12-30T05:07:34 < Getty> controlling the c2c and the b2c market and then adding on top b2b concepts
2015-12-30T05:07:39 < Getty> unbeatable!
2015-12-30T05:07:49 < Getty> or someone has a better idea? ;)
2015-12-30T05:08:20 < Getty> ebay would be btw very relevant, as making amazon at that point in time directly would be leading to a lack of customers
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2015-12-30T05:15:40 < Getty> upgrdman: http://i.imgur.com/A88e6Gm.gifv
2015-12-30T05:15:56 < upgrdman> i am not
2015-12-30T05:15:57 < upgrdman> :)
2015-12-30T05:16:19 < upgrdman> but i've been shopping for a decent flash for my slr
2015-12-30T05:16:27 < upgrdman> which IS entertaining me
2015-12-30T05:16:46 < Getty> http://i.imgur.com/EajdjVY.gifv
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2015-12-30T05:17:43 < upgrdman> Getty, http://i.imgur.com/cy1OJbZ.jpg
2015-12-30T05:18:26 < Getty> http://i.imgur.com/ZwyRHD6.gif
2015-12-30T05:18:59 < aandrew> uh, that's sa-teen
2015-12-30T05:19:04 < aandrew> one of my favourite movies
2015-12-30T05:19:11 < aandrew> so much nostalgia
2015-12-30T05:19:26 < Getty> you mean wreck it ralph?
2015-12-30T05:19:29 < aandrew> yep
2015-12-30T05:19:35 < Getty> its really a good one
2015-12-30T05:19:45 < Getty> especially that they made a real serious story...... not like... pixels....
2015-12-30T05:19:54 < aandrew> and dongs knows of a guy named ragemaxis ... dude looks a LOT like wreck-it-ralph
2015-12-30T05:20:03 < Getty> lol
2015-12-30T05:20:21 < upgrdman> typical american southerner http://imgur.com/CziAu49
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2015-12-30T05:21:17 < gordonjcp> aandrew: I know a guy called Max Spanner
2015-12-30T05:21:31 < gordonjcp> comes round the workshop every so often, selling Peli cases
2015-12-30T05:23:55 < upgrdman> typical event in black neighborhoods  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzEM94iyw7Y
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2015-12-30T05:24:23 < upgrdman> (old, i know)
2015-12-30T05:25:00 < gordonjcp> the fuck
2015-12-30T05:25:10 < dongs> niggers gonna nig
2015-12-30T05:30:12 < upgrdman> another along those lines   http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=457_1451379009
2015-12-30T05:31:14 < upgrdman> ahaha wtf  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLdUG3id2rs
2015-12-30T05:32:13 < jadew> lol @ the rodeo dad
2015-12-30T05:32:19 < jadew> what an idiot
2015-12-30T05:33:42 < gordonjcp> that guy with the hair trapped in his window is basically asking to get stabbed
2015-12-30T05:34:11 < jadew> hold on, I'm just catching up
2015-12-30T05:34:43 < upgrdman> ya. let's wait for jewdew to catch up.
2015-12-30T05:35:01 < gordonjcp> not only is he going to get his car keyed but he's going to get slashed by his recently ex-girlfriend
2015-12-30T05:35:02 < Getty> what is it btw about those unpaid ticket stuff in america?
2015-12-30T05:35:21 < gordonjcp> Getty: oh man they've got a really fucked up legal system
2015-12-30T05:35:22 < upgrdman> what unpaid ticket stuff?
2015-12-30T05:35:45 < Getty> like in all movies they always carry this bag of unpaid tickets and then "suddenly" it gets relevant when they get into contact with a cop who notices those unpaid tickets
2015-12-30T05:35:47 < gordonjcp> Getty: you get a ticket like a parking ticket for being basically too drunk to drive and causing all sorts of mayhem and destruction
2015-12-30T05:35:54 < Getty> yeah sure
2015-12-30T05:36:02 < upgrdman> Getty, that's hollywood.
2015-12-30T05:36:04 < gordonjcp> Getty: but you get jailed for not paying it
2015-12-30T05:36:08 < Getty> ah!
2015-12-30T05:36:12 < upgrdman> in movies cars also explode all the time too.
2015-12-30T05:36:22 < Getty> so if they show it like that people have 200 unpaid parking tickets
2015-12-30T05:36:24 < gordonjcp> americans have a fucking terrifying attitude to drunk-driving
2015-12-30T05:36:30 < Getty> then they WILL pay for them sooner or later?
2015-12-30T05:36:49 < Getty> it always felt like that like as long noone catches you as long you cant be forced to pay
2015-12-30T05:36:54 < upgrdman> ya. if you dont i think they can get a warrant for your arrest
2015-12-30T05:37:22 < Getty> at least thats the picture i get given through all hollywood i saw ;)
2015-12-30T05:37:37 < upgrdman> i dont know. i've only had one ticket, and i paid it and did the stupid traffic school shit.
2015-12-30T05:37:51 < Getty> idiot test? ;)
2015-12-30T05:37:59 < gordonjcp> I got a ticket for driving in a bus lane, my own stupid bloody fault
2015-12-30T05:38:00 < Getty> thats what we call it in germany, even tho its a bit bigger as traffic school stuff
2015-12-30T05:38:00 < upgrdman> pretty much
2015-12-30T05:38:09 < Getty> it cost a fortune
2015-12-30T05:38:15 < Getty> and includes psychological analyses and stuff
2015-12-30T05:38:32 < gordonjcp> 20 quid fine, no biggie, but it was annoying especially since it was at like midnight and there were no buses on the road
2015-12-30T05:38:39 < Getty> pretty intense if you reach that level, before that there is never any "training hours" thats not happening
2015-12-30T05:39:15 < upgrdman> traffic school in the usa is basically a half-day class held in some gov facility, where they go over traffic laws and show some movies of bad car accidents.
2015-12-30T05:39:25 < Getty> i think in finland (if i am right or another of those nordic europeans) has ticket fine related to income of the person
2015-12-30T05:39:47 < upgrdman> it's optional, but if you go to traffic school, the ticket doesnt stay on your record, so your car insurance doesnt go up
2015-12-30T05:39:47 < gordonjcp> Getty: Finland, possibly Denmark too
2015-12-30T05:40:00 < Getty> in germany we have just the MPU
2015-12-30T05:40:05 < Getty> the idiot test with the psychological analyzses
2015-12-30T05:40:11 < Getty> cost 1000< EUR
2015-12-30T05:40:17 < gordonjcp> wat
2015-12-30T05:40:19 < Getty> and only required if you were catched several times drinking
2015-12-30T05:40:23 < Getty> or _ONCE_ with weed
2015-12-30T05:40:37 < gordonjcp> bit disproportionate for weed, fair enough for drink driving
2015-12-30T05:40:39 < Getty> (even if you dont drive, the weed part)
2015-12-30T05:40:45 < upgrdman> i got a ticket for speeding. was doing 85mph in a 65mph zone. i think it was like $450 or $550 including cost of traffic school.
2015-12-30T05:40:50 < Getty> if you are catched with weed in germany as driver
2015-12-30T05:40:54 < gordonjcp> we had a guy over from the parent company of the mob I used to work for here, from the US
2015-12-30T05:41:00 < Getty> then the driver license department will enforce you to make a piss test
2015-12-30T05:41:11 < Getty> if that test fails you are taken away your license and have todo a MPU test
2015-12-30T05:41:12 < gordonjcp> he used to drive home from the pub a couple of times a week utterly shitfaced
2015-12-30T05:41:22 < gordonjcp> got banned eventually
2015-12-30T05:41:39 < Getty> in germany its really required to make a lot of drunk incidents
2015-12-30T05:41:46 < Getty> which is sad in my eyes
2015-12-30T05:41:52 < Getty> germans dont take alcohol serious on that way
2015-12-30T05:41:53 < upgrdman> gordonjcp, is this your friend?  http://i.imgur.com/dZEuFXy.gifv
2015-12-30T05:42:02 < Getty> its like a "sport" to drive "near the allowed limit"
2015-12-30T05:42:20 < gordonjcp> upgrdman: not far off
2015-12-30T05:42:24 < gordonjcp> Getty: :-/
2015-12-30T05:42:35 < gordonjcp> Getty: this guy was not acclimatised to Scottish beer
2015-12-30T05:43:07 < Getty> if they would introduce that breathe thing in germany
2015-12-30T05:43:09 < gordonjcp> whatever godbothering hellhole he came from had some legally-enforced alcohol limit on beer, nothing was allowed to be over 2%
2015-12-30T05:43:16 < Getty> you might see reduction of traffic in 2 digit percent area
2015-12-30T05:43:35 < upgrdman> lolol https://i.imgur.com/9qrwMsu.gifv
2015-12-30T05:43:38 < gordonjcp> so of course he came over here, and we drank in a pub with a lot of real ales
2015-12-30T05:43:49 < gordonjcp> proper 6% and up heavy-duty stuff
2015-12-30T05:44:02 < Getty> wanna knock out someone?
2015-12-30T05:44:05 < Getty> get turkish vodka
2015-12-30T05:44:07 < Getty> seriously
2015-12-30T05:44:10 < gordonjcp> upgrdman: hahahahahahahaa
2015-12-30T05:44:14 < Getty> you werent drunk if you didnt tried turkish vodka
2015-12-30T05:44:18 < gordonjcp> Getty: poteen
2015-12-30T05:44:26 < gordonjcp> irish moonshine
2015-12-30T05:44:31 < gordonjcp> christ on a bike
2015-12-30T05:44:42 < Getty> does it goes into the air if you leave the bottle open?
2015-12-30T05:44:53 < Getty> turkish vodka disappears if you leave the button open
2015-12-30T05:44:59 < Getty> well i dont talk about "best"
2015-12-30T05:45:02 < gordonjcp> Getty: you don't want to drink it near an open flame, put it that way
2015-12-30T05:45:02 < Getty> i talk about "most drunk"
2015-12-30T05:45:17 < Getty> yeah turkish vodka actually is like the worst produced high percentage stuff
2015-12-30T05:45:32 < Getty> its like.. that stuff is so cheap that its the main source of alcohol in turkey
2015-12-30T05:45:45 < Getty> hahaha
2015-12-30T05:45:46 < Getty> yeah well
2015-12-30T05:45:53 < jadew> ok, cought up
2015-12-30T05:45:54 < Getty> that little makes the difference of death and life
2015-12-30T05:45:59 < Getty> ;)
2015-12-30T05:46:01 < jadew> saw the original video with the kid
2015-12-30T05:46:02 < Getty> but turkish vodka is funny
2015-12-30T05:46:06 < Getty> the first time
2015-12-30T05:46:09 < jadew> not as bad as it looks in the gif
2015-12-30T05:46:11 < Getty> you take your first turkish vodka shot
2015-12-30T05:46:20 < Getty> you forget where you are
2015-12-30T05:46:25 < Getty> after the second you forget who you are
2015-12-30T05:46:28 < jadew> then they steal your wallet
2015-12-30T05:46:30 < Getty> i never saw someone drinking 3 ;)
2015-12-30T05:46:42 < Getty> it was so funny on my holiday in turkey
2015-12-30T05:46:46 < gordonjcp> R2COM: I used some IPA that I use for cleaning PCBs to clean a cut on my hand, where my cat bit me
2015-12-30T05:46:46 < jadew> 110% alcohol level
2015-12-30T05:46:56 < gordonjcp> R2COM: it sure as hell feels clean now
2015-12-30T05:47:06 < Getty> sitting at the bar drinking turkish vodka while a tourist was drinking that turkish raki stuff, like you know... following the culture
2015-12-30T05:47:12 < Getty> he laughed about my turkish vodka and why i drink it
2015-12-30T05:47:20 < gordonjcp> yup that feels really really clean and antiseptic, even hours later
2015-12-30T05:47:21 < Getty> well after one of the turkish vodka i had to carry him to his room
2015-12-30T05:48:16 < dongs> https://coubsecure-a.akamaihd.net/get/b211/p/coub/simple/cw_file/4dd1b3abe27/bc5d62b4fcd7491428525/mp4_med_size_1451315304_med.mp4 haha
2015-12-30T05:48:45 < gordonjcp> oh man I can't stop watching that belt sander one
2015-12-30T05:48:48 < gordonjcp> that's never getting old
2015-12-30T05:49:21 < dongs> fuk
2015-12-30T05:49:28 < Getty> dongs: the rammed person is actually crushed into the window of the bus! amazing
2015-12-30T05:49:29 < dongs> latest altidong still didnt fix slot size bug thing
2015-12-30T05:49:43 < upgrdman> dongs, oh shit. didnt expect that ending
2015-12-30T05:49:49 < dongs> upgrdman: lol
2015-12-30T05:49:52 < Getty> actually the fucking body is exactly in front of the driver
2015-12-30T05:49:56 < Getty> spreading over the complete windshield
2015-12-30T05:49:57 < Getty> HAHAHAHHAA
2015-12-30T05:50:44 < gordonjcp> R2COM: meh, she's had a pretty stressy day of injections and stuff
2015-12-30T05:50:52 < dongs> aids injections
2015-12-30T05:51:53 < Getty> as i told my friend who has twins always
2015-12-30T05:52:01 < Getty> he should kill one of them to get respect from the other
2015-12-30T05:52:17 < gordonjcp> at least she didn't bite the vet, I can afford to have a bitten thumb, I can't afford to change vets again
2015-12-30T05:52:26 < Getty> i find this the most effective way of establishing dominance ;-)
2015-12-30T05:52:41 < gordonjcp> I wish folk would keep their dogs under control in the vet's waiting room
2015-12-30T05:52:49 < upgrdman> :) https://gfycat.com/FocusedColdDuck
2015-12-30T05:52:59 < Getty> in america you are actually reliable if your animal hurts the vet, right?
2015-12-30T05:53:16 < gordonjcp> Getty: I don't know, I'm not in America
2015-12-30T05:53:25 < upgrdman> Getty, dunno but doubt it
2015-12-30T05:53:25 < Getty> ah good for you ;)
2015-12-30T05:53:51 < Getty> well the problem is in countries with free healthcare less of a problem, but who then pays there?
2015-12-30T05:53:56 < gordonjcp> Getty: I did get a polite letter from her last vet saying "thanks for your custom, I'm glad your cat has recovered, please take her just about anywhere else next time"
2015-12-30T05:54:03 < Getty> it would feel like that vets require a very fat healthcare package then?
2015-12-30T05:54:19 < Getty> hahaah no joke?
2015-12-30T05:54:22 < gordonjcp> no joke
2015-12-30T05:54:26 < gordonjcp> she tried to eat a dog
2015-12-30T05:54:31 < Getty> LOL!
2015-12-30T05:54:32 < Getty> okk
2015-12-30T05:54:38 < Getty> then i would also suggest that as vet ;)
2015-12-30T05:54:39 < Getty> probably ;)
2015-12-30T05:54:45 < Getty> in the future we might have vets for dogs and cats specific
2015-12-30T05:54:47 < gordonjcp> little old lady rescue cat
2015-12-30T05:54:54 < gordonjcp> tiny wee thing, very pretty wee cat
2015-12-30T05:55:02 < gordonjcp> fucking *mental*, though
2015-12-30T05:55:34 < gordonjcp> Getty: you know that one guy in your local pub who will square up to the biggest guy he can find, three times his size
2015-12-30T05:55:50 < gordonjcp> and absolutely will not stop fighting until you've literally dragged him half way down the street
2015-12-30T05:56:00 < gordonjcp> that kind of mental
2015-12-30T05:56:04 < Getty> well i saw the power of those little dogs often
2015-12-30T05:56:38 < Getty> so i can just imagine cats in that position ;)
2015-12-30T05:56:51 < gordonjcp> this was one of those wee fat bull terrier things with the piggy noses
2015-12-30T05:57:23 < gordonjcp> http://gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/cat_server.jpg <- said cat
2015-12-30T05:58:07 < Getty> this cat already looks like an asshole, like it just decides where it hurts you next ;)
2015-12-30T05:58:11 < gordonjcp> http://gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/cat_field.jpg <- same cat, being an Outside Cat
2015-12-30T05:58:52 < gordonjcp> the folk at the shelter were like "oh she's always been an inside cat, she might go out into the garden a little bit if you let her but she's not really an outside cat"
2015-12-30T05:59:10 < gordonjcp> show any cat a 40 acre field full of barley and squeaky things...
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2015-12-30T06:01:22 < aandrew> hm
2015-12-30T06:01:30 < aandrew> is there any real advantage to using an STM down at 1.8V?
2015-12-30T06:01:34 < gordonjcp> R2COM: oh those, they're huge
2015-12-30T06:01:39 < gordonjcp> aandrew: lower power consumption
2015-12-30T06:01:44 < aandrew> gordonjcp: you sure?
2015-12-30T06:02:01 < aandrew> same clock freq at lower voltage means higher current and thus higher IR losses
2015-12-30T06:02:04 < gordonjcp> aandrew: you'd have to have an efficient switching regulator and 1.8V peripherals
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2015-12-30T06:02:20 < gordonjcp> aandrew: only up to a point
2015-12-30T06:02:32 < gordonjcp> STM32?
2015-12-30T06:02:34 < aandrew> gordonjcp: I'm trying to find some hard data
2015-12-30T06:02:35 < aandrew> yeah
2015-12-30T06:02:37 < aandrew> STM32F407
2015-12-30T06:02:37 < gordonjcp> not at the low frequencies they run at
2015-12-30T06:02:47 < gordonjcp> yeah they're what 168MHz?
2015-12-30T06:03:06 < aandrew> I don't think this one runs that fast, just staring at the datasheet
2015-12-30T06:03:09 < dongs> doesnt datasheet give power in mW?
2015-12-30T06:03:09 < gordonjcp> reactive losses don't really kick in below about 1GHz
2015-12-30T06:03:13 < dongs> so it shouldnt fucking matter
2015-12-30T06:03:15 < gordonjcp> dongs: sshould do
2015-12-30T06:03:30 < dongs> the only reason you'd run it at 1.8 is for 1.8V I/O
2015-12-30T06:03:31 < gordonjcp> aandrew: should be, 8MHz clock, internal PLL to generate 168MHz and the others
2015-12-30T06:04:10 < aandrew> there isn't reduced clock freq or usb use at 1.8V is there?
2015-12-30T06:04:51 < aandrew> working my way thorugh DM00037051
2015-12-30T06:07:13 < aandrew> reduced ADC (1.2MSPS vs 1.4MSPS) when below 2.5V
2015-12-30T06:07:38 < dongs> why doyou need 1.8V
2015-12-30T06:08:06 < aandrew> battery application, minimum power
2015-12-30T06:08:18 < dongs> why doyou need F4 there
2015-12-30T06:08:20 < aandrew> that's what I'm trying to figure out if I fucked up by choosing 1.8 vs 3.3
2015-12-30T06:08:34 < dongs> use L4
2015-12-30T06:08:34 < aandrew> dongs: dont' necessarily need it. starting with F4, pinned out/strapped to accept F3 and F0
2015-12-30T06:08:50 < aandrew> STM32L4?
2015-12-30T06:08:56 < dongs> y
2015-12-30T06:09:02 < aandrew> hm will check it
2015-12-30T06:09:35 < aandrew> ah there we go, page 80
2015-12-30T06:10:12 < aandrew> and yes flash slows down, fmax drops to 160/7ws and 8-bit erase/write operations on flash
2015-12-30T06:10:17 < aandrew> so nothing TERRIBLE for me
2015-12-30T06:10:18 < aandrew> but stil
2015-12-30T06:10:24 < aandrew> gonna see what the L4 is
2015-12-30T06:11:01 < aandrew> OTG is also >=2.7V
2015-12-30T06:11:50 < dongs> l4 is low power f4
2015-12-30T06:12:01 < aandrew> right I figured
2015-12-30T06:12:12 < aandrew> gotta see pin compatibility and differences
2015-12-30T06:12:18 < dongs> half mhz last i checked
2015-12-30T06:13:01 < aandrew> dont' know if it's terribly necessary, F4 will be in deep sleep most times, accelerometer will wake it up
2015-12-30T06:13:08 < aandrew> well that and RTC alarm
2015-12-30T06:13:20 < dongs> whos paying to you make a dumbwaetch
2015-12-30T06:13:26 < aandrew> not a watch
2015-12-30T06:15:16 < aandrew> yep half MHz you're right
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2015-12-30T06:22:01 < aandrew> 3uA in standby with RTC and SRAM running at 1.8V, 4uA at 3.3V
2015-12-30T06:22:14 < dongs> not gonna tell the diffefrence
2015-12-30T06:22:30 < dongs> how does USB even work at 1.8V?
2015-12-30T06:22:35 < dongs> i guess: it doesn't , right ?
2015-12-30T06:22:35 < aandrew> it doesn't
2015-12-30T06:22:38 < dongs> figures.
2015-12-30T06:22:50 < aandrew> so basically I should just use 3.3V and be done with it
2015-12-30T06:22:52 < dongs> choice is pretty clear then
2015-12-30T06:22:58 < aandrew> yep
2015-12-30T06:22:59 < dongs> and L4 if you really need lowpower
2015-12-30T06:23:12 < dongs> its probly pincompatible
2015-12-30T06:23:19 < dongs> and hopefully has the new i2c/uart stuff
2015-12-30T06:23:59 < aandrew> I was running the 1.8V directly off the battery with an LDO
2015-12-30T06:24:03 < aandrew> er not LDO, buck
2015-12-30T06:24:04 < aandrew> sorry
2015-12-30T06:24:14 < dongs> usethat tps63001 buckboost for 3.3V
2015-12-30T06:24:18 < aandrew> if I went 3.3 I'd need buck/boost since VBat range is 2.5-3.8V
2015-12-30T06:24:19 < dongs> i use it on a bunch of shit
2015-12-30T06:24:28 < dongs> only needs a coil adn 2 caps
2015-12-30T06:24:31 < aandrew> I have a 63020 for buck/boost
2015-12-30T06:25:09 < dongs> err
2015-12-30T06:25:12 < dongs> needs so much shit around it
2015-12-30T06:25:15 < dongs> 63001 wins
2015-12-30T06:25:45 < dongs> same Iq
2015-12-30T06:26:04 < aandrew> 63020 has higher switch freq and much higher current
2015-12-30T06:26:16 < dongs> why would you need 4A in a battery powered thing?
2015-12-30T06:26:21 < aandrew> the 3.8V rail uses the 63020 as it powers a telit LTE module
2015-12-30T06:26:30 < dongs> a
2015-12-30T06:26:32 < aandrew> the LTE module is powered off as much as possible
2015-12-30T06:26:48 < aandrew> iq is lower
2015-12-30T06:26:51 < aandrew> 63001
2015-12-30T06:27:47 < aandrew> looks like they're damn near the saem
2015-12-30T06:27:48 < aandrew> same
2015-12-30T06:28:17 < dongs> yea just a fixed version / lower currente
2015-12-30T06:28:48 < aandrew> ok, maybe I should buck/boost to 3.3V and boost 3.3 to 3.8 for hte fucking LTE modem
2015-12-30T06:29:12 < aandrew> all the radio current would have to go through the 63020 as well but it could handle it
2015-12-30T06:29:12 < dongs> naw
2015-12-30T06:29:23 < aandrew> or just use two 63020s, one for 3.3 and one for 3.8
2015-12-30T06:29:26 < dongs> use two
2015-12-30T06:29:37 < aandrew> less BOM items for sure
2015-12-30T06:30:04 < dongs> you only have 3.3V otherweise?
2015-12-30T06:30:23 < aandrew> I have 3.3, 3.8, 2.5 and 5
2015-12-30T06:30:55 < aandrew> the 2.5 is kind of a misnomer though; it's for a camera interface that could theoretically be anywhere from 1.8 to 5 but typically 2.5 or 3.3
2015-12-30T06:31:08 < dongs> enjoy your level shifting
2015-12-30T06:31:15 < aandrew> yeah I know right
2015-12-30T06:31:28 < aandrew> using two TXS0108s for that
2015-12-30T06:31:37 < dongs> on what, camera outputs?
2015-12-30T06:31:41 < dongs> you dont need to shift those.
2015-12-30T06:31:41 < aandrew> yep
2015-12-30T06:31:44 < dongs> i2c you do tho
2015-12-30T06:31:49 < aandrew> how not?
2015-12-30T06:32:01 < dongs> cuz 2.5V logic is still enough for FSMC
2015-12-30T06:32:04 < dongs> @ 3.3V
2015-12-30T06:32:07 < dongs> and its unidirectional
2015-12-30T06:32:12 < aandrew> yes uni
2015-12-30T06:32:51 < dongs> only need to shift i2c for the sensor control shite.
2015-12-30T06:32:59 < aandrew> m
2015-12-30T06:33:00 < aandrew> hm
2015-12-30T06:33:11 < dongs> i'd tell you that it definitely works if I wasnt a lazy cunt
2015-12-30T06:33:16 < dongs> cuz i have a f4 + fsmc at 2.5v board sitting here
2015-12-30T06:33:36 < dongs> but no time to finish making firmware. i2c works and i can poke the sensor but I didnt have time to go past that.
2015-12-30T06:34:17 < aandrew> heh
2015-12-30T06:34:20 < aandrew> ok
2015-12-30T06:34:36 < dongs> but just lookup VL and VH or whatever voltages in datasheet
2015-12-30T06:34:53 < aandrew> yah
2015-12-30T06:34:57 < aandrew> I'm getting there :-)
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2015-12-30T06:35:48 < aandrew> I'm planning on level shifting only because it can connect to several sensors at this point and didn't want trouble
2015-12-30T06:36:12 < dongs> looks like 2.3V if VDD *0.7 or 1.7V if 0.45VDD+0.3
2015-12-30T06:36:15 < dongs> so works either way
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2015-12-30T06:55:08 < dongs> sounds like youre making zano20
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2015-12-30T07:22:41 < Getty> i think "Under the dome" has failed
2015-12-30T07:23:19 < Getty> didnt saw every a series going from pay to free before the new seasons comes up to be pay again
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2015-12-30T09:29:04 < Yoduza> can i use modelsim for stm8s ?
2015-12-30T09:29:46 < upgrdman> isnt modelsim for hdl?
2015-12-30T09:31:05 < Yoduza> fpga without memory, but with stm8s
2015-12-30T09:31:31 < Yoduza> external memory using in fpga need smart skills
2015-12-30T09:32:15 < Yoduza> using stm8s with fpga must be easy than using with external memory
2015-12-30T09:33:55 < upgrdman> why the fuck would you mix an 8bit mcu with an fpga? for low power just embed an mcu, for high power use an fpga with builtin arm mcu
2015-12-30T09:35:00 < Yoduza> just interesting to make super-fast register fpga based on stm8s single chip
2015-12-30T09:35:15 < upgrdman> are you one of those people with an arduino and a fpga shield
2015-12-30T09:35:38 < Yoduza> not fpga shield, but fpga+mcu clear chips
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2015-12-30T09:39:12 < Yoduza> fpga with builtin arm mcu ~ $50 ; cycloneiv 6k ~$5.28, stm8s ~ $0.4 . Strong price different.
2015-12-30T09:40:22 < jpa-> so how many units are you making?
2015-12-30T09:40:33 < upgrdman> you can embed a simple mcu into a cheap fpga
2015-12-30T09:41:46 < PeterM> if you are so budget limited whenyou have a $5 fpga, you can atleast spend $0.7 on an stm32...
2015-12-30T09:41:48 < Yoduza> 40 units need
2015-12-30T09:43:50 < Yoduza> ok, i will wait for better prices fpga with builtin arm mcu
2015-12-30T09:44:15 < upgrdman> i sense another beaky
2015-12-30T09:44:58 < PeterM> Yoduza, are you skipping smps controller to do in a micro?
2015-12-30T09:45:36 < Yoduza> hmm
2015-12-30T09:45:55 < Yoduza> :) PeterM, thank you
2015-12-30T09:46:10 < PeterM> ... you dont need to think about it, the answer should be no
2015-12-30T09:46:15 < PeterM> lol
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2015-12-30T10:06:14 < dongs> wut
2015-12-30T10:06:18 < dongs> wtf is  yodouza trying ot dto
2015-12-30T10:06:39 < upgrdman> 8bit shit + fpga
2015-12-30T10:07:35 < dongs> ya cuz you can't stick some shitty freetard 8051 or wahtever core into the same fpga
2015-12-30T10:08:10 < upgrdman> inorite
2015-12-30T10:08:27 < upgrdman> it's like we have two beakys in this channel now
2015-12-30T10:08:35 < upgrdman> they keep respawning
2015-12-30T10:09:47 < dongs> kakikmir and this hsit?
2015-12-30T10:10:00 < dongs> im still not certain kakimir is not just beaky reincarnated
2015-12-30T10:10:01 < dongs> with a new nick
2015-12-30T10:10:02 < upgrdman> exactly
2015-12-30T10:10:04 < dongs> to avoid abuse
2015-12-30T10:10:22 < upgrdman> bukkakimir and yodoucha
2015-12-30T10:11:10 < dongs> got the usual reacharound from marvell
2015-12-30T10:11:17 < dongs> "plz contact 3 of our distributors"
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2015-12-30T10:11:38 < dongs> ignoring my "shouild I even bother spending my energy emailing if hte ansewr is gonna be "100k minimum buy commitment"
2015-12-30T10:11:49 < dongs> japs have no sense of humor
2015-12-30T10:12:59 < upgrdman> does "buy commitment" imply lump sum, or contract to buy n devices within x days?
2015-12-30T10:13:41 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/jk1bKL18.html
2015-12-30T10:13:43 < dongs> their reply is generalyl like this
2015-12-30T10:13:56 < upgrdman> lolol
2015-12-30T10:14:03 < dongs> thats wat i got in 2010 when i needed some marvel trash for a project
2015-12-30T10:14:42 < dongs> if you aint seling 100k/year of our shit, we arent interested
2015-12-30T10:14:47 < upgrdman> "you want email reply? enjoy this steganography instead."
2015-12-30T10:14:53 < dongs> hEH
2015-12-30T10:15:12 < dongs> ive checked the company that replied and t hey're actually doing not bad
2015-12-30T10:15:18 < dongs> but I hope the fucker who wrote this got fired
2015-12-30T10:15:35 < dongs> i cant really imagine how any jap distributors can survive and make a profit
2015-12-30T10:15:44 < dongs> prices are retarded, leadtime is in years, response time is in weeks etc
2015-12-30T10:15:58 < dongs> maybe they have like one huge customer they deliver to once a year and declare profit
2015-12-30T10:16:16 < upgrdman> is it kinda line .cn where you need to be in jap shenzhen equiv to get any service?
2015-12-30T10:16:18 < dongs> I bought some xilinx CPLDs from a jap distributor years ago, it was liek 2 months leadtime for a part I could have got from digikey in 3 days
2015-12-30T10:16:21 < dongs> except dk was out
2015-12-30T10:16:51 < dongs> and if I remember, dk got restocked like a week after i already paid these cunts
2015-12-30T10:16:56 < dongs> so i had to wait for it anyway.
2015-12-30T10:17:19 < dongs> they still spam me with some retarded vivaldo seminars
2015-12-30T10:17:25 < dongs> $1k/person for entry
2015-12-30T10:17:45 < upgrdman> complementary happy ending after seminar
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2015-12-30T10:28:19 < ambro718> Hey. Has anyone tried compiling gcc-arm-embedded from source? Is it something than can reasonably be done?
2015-12-30T10:28:34 < dongs> haha
2015-12-30T10:28:37 < dongs> why would you want to
2015-12-30T10:28:46 < dongs> i mean, its probably same as compiling any gcc from sores
2015-12-30T10:28:47 < jpa-> yeah, we used to do that a lot
2015-12-30T10:28:57 < jpa-> but not so necessary anymore
2015-12-30T10:29:10 < dongs> isnt it just ./configure --platform=arm-none-eabi or wahtever?
2015-12-30T10:29:17 < jpa-> https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT   is what i used to use
2015-12-30T10:29:29 < ambro718> I want a 64-bit Linux build. The 32-bit build crashes on me due to running out of virtual memory due to my symbol names to be extremely large due to use of lots of template metaprogramming :)
2015-12-30T10:29:41 < dongs> oh youre that guy
2015-12-30T10:29:42 < jpa-> uh oh
2015-12-30T10:29:46 < dongs> the c++ nutter
2015-12-30T10:30:11 < dongs> yeah TNT should work
2015-12-30T10:30:11 < ambro718> dongs: there seems to be lots of differences between gcc-arm-embedded and vanilla gcc. For one, gcc-arm-embeddeds supports all the ARM uC architectures in one build.
2015-12-30T10:30:14 < dongs> check toolchain.sh or so
2015-12-30T10:30:16 < dongs> for the build options
2015-12-30T10:30:42 < jpa-> ambro718: how about the gcc-arm-none-eabi from ubuntu repos?
2015-12-30T10:31:22 < jpa-> that's what i'm using nowadays
2015-12-30T10:31:29 < ambro718> jpa-: I don't know what that is, do they build it from source?
2015-12-30T10:32:05 < jpa-> yeah
2015-12-30T10:32:24 < jpa-> AFAIK gcc-arm-embedded is just plain gcc sores with some specific build options anyway
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2015-12-30T10:33:04 < ambro718> Last time I looked it is was being patched heavily, a notable thing being the multilib support.
2015-12-30T10:33:27 < jpa-> hasn't multilib been in main gcc for years now?
2015-12-30T10:34:04 < ambro718> I think I tried to build gcc 5.1 some time ago and it didn't have proper arm multilib support.
2015-12-30T10:34:07 < ambro718> I may try again
2015-12-30T10:34:16 < jpa-> you probably just had wrong build options
2015-12-30T10:34:52 < ambro718> If it did have multilib support, gcc-arm-embedded wouldn't be patching it to make multilib work ;)
2015-12-30T10:35:05 < jpa-> where do you see such patches?
2015-12-30T10:35:11 < ambro718> let me find it
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2015-12-30T10:38:27 < rewolff> Ambro: I just recompiled "binutils" this week. It was a "zero patch" build for ubuntu. (until I was done with it, now its 1-patch).
2015-12-30T10:41:05 < jpa-> TNT does seem to have some patch, but looks like it just disables building some old variants   https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT/blob/master/gcc-multilib.patch
2015-12-30T10:46:08 < ambro718> rewolff: binutils is easy
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2015-12-30T10:46:44 < rewolff> Probably. Anyway, I just did "apt-get source binutils-arm-none-eabi" or something like that.
2015-12-30T10:46:58 < rewolff> So gcc will probably be similar.
2015-12-30T10:47:01 < ambro718> I can't find the difference now, but I suspect you would have to compare https://gcc.gnu.org/svn/gcc/branches/ARM/embedded-5-branch/gcc/config/arm/ and https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/blob/master/gcc/config/arm/t-arm-elf
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2015-12-30T10:47:15 < rewolff> As in: the package will build from source
2015-12-30T10:47:36 < rewolff> Anyway, I wouldn't bother unless there is a showstopper bug.
2015-12-30T10:47:40 < ambro718> the "t-aprofile" file present in both locations seems to provide multilib support, but I remember trying it and it didn't work out
2015-12-30T10:48:01 < dongs> shouldnt the gcc on that launchpad shit provide command line they used to build it
2015-12-30T10:48:13 < dongs> or like when you gcc--version or whatever
2015-12-30T10:48:14 < jpa-> they do, but they use their source package
2015-12-30T10:48:17 < rewolff> In my case linker made a problem. In your case, you need to run 64-bit. From binary package would be OK for you, I'd say.
2015-12-30T10:48:22 < dongs> so why cant he just use that
2015-12-30T10:48:29 < jpa-> no idea
2015-12-30T10:48:43 < dongs> wastin' time coding C++ *and* wasting time asking rhetoric questions!
2015-12-30T10:48:45 < ambro718> rewolff: they only have a 32-bit Linux binary
2015-12-30T10:48:50 < ambro718> I want a 64-bit binary
2015-12-30T10:49:01 < jpa-> doesn't your distro provide one?
2015-12-30T10:49:11 < jpa-> ubuntu has 64 bit arm-none-eabi-gcc with multilib
2015-12-30T10:49:16 < jpa-> just apt-get it
2015-12-30T10:49:21 < rewolff> Get 64-bit ubuntu 15.10, apt-get arm-gcc-none-eabi or whatever the name of the package is.
2015-12-30T10:49:22 < ambro718> my distro provides the gcc-arm-embedded binary only :)
2015-12-30T10:49:50 < rewolff> debootstrap ... chroot.
2015-12-30T10:50:02 < ambro718> not everyone uses Debian
2015-12-30T10:50:16 < jpa-> ambro718: did you try building gcc-arm-embedded according to their instructions?
2015-12-30T10:50:40 < dongs> I use lunix for niggers
2015-12-30T10:50:48 < ambro718> not yet completely, their instructions are very centered around debian/ubuntu
2015-12-30T10:50:59 < dongs> lemme guess, you're a gentoo fan?
2015-12-30T10:51:04 < ambro718> no, NixOS :)
2015-12-30T10:51:05 < dongs> --funroll-all-the-things
2015-12-30T10:51:11 < dongs> what hte fuck is that even
2015-12-30T10:51:25 < ambro718> it's the best linux distro in the world, of course
2015-12-30T10:51:48 < dongs> another shitty lunix distro with different wallpapers
2015-12-30T10:51:50 < dongs> and same shit
2015-12-30T10:52:24 < ambro718> untrue, it's the one distro that is different from every other. Check it out, or don't, whatever.
2015-12-30T10:52:31 < jpa-> one could of course question the sanity of having such crazy templates that compiler takes more than 2GB of RAM
2015-12-30T10:52:51 < jpa-> especially when targeting a micro
2015-12-30T10:53:02 < ambro718> or one could question why compilers have problems with completely C++-standard compatible code
2015-12-30T10:53:34 < jpa-> C++ templates being turing compatible, one can *always* make templates that eat all your ram
2015-12-30T10:53:35 < rewolff> If your distro has binary, your distro should have: "build this package from source". In debian/ubuntu that's "dpkg-buildpackage".
2015-12-30T10:53:38 < jpa-> it's just stupid to do that
2015-12-30T10:53:39 < rewolff> Do that.
2015-12-30T10:54:17 < ambro718> rewolff: it's possible to just package binaries in pretty much every distro
2015-12-30T10:54:28 < ambro718> and it's a useful thing to be able to do
2015-12-30T10:54:42 < jpa-> ambro718: but the gcc license requires that they provide buildable sources
2015-12-30T10:55:25 < rewolff> I once wrote a "memory test", but you want to excercise the memory as much as possible, and not have the CPU ponder on "if this version then. ... "
2015-12-30T10:55:39 < dongs> i think i've asked this before but
2015-12-30T10:55:44 < dongs> why are 3d printer people always insane?
2015-12-30T10:55:47 < rewolff> So I had macros that created the memory tests in all different configurations. ...
2015-12-30T10:56:09 < rewolff> That was a C-file that "blew up".  Tricky stuff for the compilers of the time. ...
2015-12-30T10:57:31 < ambro718> jpa-: Currently we're just packaging the gcc-arm-embedded binary, the gcc-arm-embedded project provides the source for anyone interested.
2015-12-30T10:58:04 < dongs> oh, you *run* that shitty distro
2015-12-30T10:58:08 < dongs> is the package manager written in C++?
2015-12-30T10:58:10 < dongs> for more awesome?
2015-12-30T10:58:40 < ambro718> dongs: how come you haven't been banned from this channel yet?
2015-12-30T10:58:48 < PeterM> dongs because they have no grip on rality
2015-12-30T10:58:51 < PeterM> reality even
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2015-12-30T10:59:04 < PeterM> ambro718, because he is pro, he uses Luniggz
2015-12-30T10:59:07 < jpa-> ambro718: because he's fun, and this time he is also right :)
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2015-12-30T10:59:25 < rewolff> Dongs is irritating at first, but after a while he becomes tolerable, nice even. :-)
2015-12-30T11:00:06 < rewolff> Ambro: Get the ubuntu source package, build it.
2015-12-30T11:00:31 < ambro718> yes I will look at that probably. But really I want to write a recipe for Nix.
2015-12-30T11:00:39 < rewolff> The problem with "build-from-source" is usually that you need newer version of this, and that needs newer-version of that.
2015-12-30T11:01:01 < PeterM> dongs i think it isn't that the 3d printer people are insane, its just that only insane people are 3d printer people
2015-12-30T11:01:03 < rewolff> That problem is solved under ubuntu with atp-get build-dep <patckage> .
2015-12-30T11:01:17 < PeterM> kinda like horse people, right Laurenceb?
2015-12-30T11:07:06 < dongs> removal from reality is definitely extreme
2015-12-30T11:07:29 < PaulFertser> ambro718: if you're going to package gcc-arm-embedded, please consider compiling their gdb with python support enabled.
2015-12-30T11:08:55 < jpa-> ubuntu's arm-none-eabi-gdb comes with python support fortunately :)
2015-12-30T11:09:22 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, NixOS is a really unique beast among the GNU/Linux distros. They provide consistent libraries environment for all the packages one ever installed.
2015-12-30T11:10:00 < dongs> PaulFertser: i dont really give a shit
2015-12-30T11:10:04 < dongs> on windows i double click setupl.exe
2015-12-30T11:10:05 < dongs> and its done
2015-12-30T11:10:14 < PaulFertser> dongs: until you face DLL hell
2015-12-30T11:10:19 < dongs> if I see that its using some 5 years old installshield/whatever thing I just close it and use something else
2015-12-30T11:10:32 < dongs> PaulFertser: dont know what youre talking about
2015-12-30T11:10:49 < PaulFertser> dongs: oh come on, it's like you're not a windows user really: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dll_hell
2015-12-30T11:11:22 < jpa-> if you use only perfect software, like dongs does, that doesn't happen to you
2015-12-30T11:11:39 < dongs> In computing, DLL Hell is a term for the complications that arise when working with dynamic link libraries (DLLs) used with Microsoft Windows operating systems,[1] particularly legacy 16-bit editions which all run in a single memory space.
2015-12-30T11:11:43 < dongs> > legacy
2015-12-30T11:11:43 < dongs> > 16 bit
2015-12-30T11:11:46 < dongs> what teh fuck guys?
2015-12-30T11:11:48 < dongs> if youre gonna troll
2015-12-30T11:11:53 < dongs> at least troll about something modern
2015-12-30T11:11:57 < dongs> from say this century
2015-12-30T11:12:12 < dongs> unlike lunix shit
2015-12-30T11:12:15 < PaulFertser> dongs: if you're gonna read, read at least the whole paragraph. Particularly doesn't mean exclusively.
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2015-12-30T11:13:41 < dongs> PaulFertser: seriously that article seems to be written by pro-lunix dudes
2015-12-30T11:14:26 < zyp> certainly not written by windows fanboys, at least
2015-12-30T11:15:55 < dongs> Lack of an enforced standard method for software installation and removing (package management);
2015-12-30T11:15:58 < dongs> lollll
2015-12-30T11:16:01 < bloated> PaulFertser: "DLL Hell" is an imaginary problem. It doesn't occur in real life because windows allows multiple versions of a dll just like linux does.
2015-12-30T11:16:17 < dongs> dll hell isnt even a problem
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2015-12-30T11:16:20 < dongs> if you're not a fucking retard
2015-12-30T11:16:27 < dongs> if you install photoshop 3.0 from 20 years ago on windows 10
2015-12-30T11:16:31 < dongs> it actually works
2015-12-30T11:16:40 < dongs> if you install shitty software from 20 years on lunix
2015-12-30T11:16:46 < dongs> well, wake me up when you're done trying to compile it
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2015-12-30T11:17:27 < bloated> I like to tell people: show me a Linux software that doesn't run on Windows... doesn't exist.
2015-12-30T11:17:38 < bloated> Now show me essential software that's Windows-only. The list is a mile long.
2015-12-30T11:17:57 < dongs> yep. Name one lunix apps that WIndows users are dying for; just one
2015-12-30T11:18:07 < pid> Oh. Windows-linux flame war. That's cute.
2015-12-30T11:18:22 < bloated> mini-flame war.
2015-12-30T11:18:27 < bloated> a flame skirmish if you will.
2015-12-30T11:18:31 < dongs> no war because the answer is already known
2015-12-30T11:18:40 < zyp> bloated, like, the kernel?
2015-12-30T11:18:55 < pid> I feel that it's going to grow.
2015-12-30T11:19:11 < bloated> nah. I know when to bite and when to wait.
2015-12-30T11:19:28 < zyp> bloated, and if you're being pedantic, that's the only piece of actually linux software
2015-12-30T11:19:50 < dongs> zyp is just 100% trolling
2015-12-30T11:19:54 < zyp> yep
2015-12-30T11:20:02 < dongs> too obvious
2015-12-30T11:20:14 < zyp> I need to learn your subtle ways
2015-12-30T11:20:16 < dongs> at least bloated has facts
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2015-12-30T11:25:45 < PaulFertser> dongs: actually, I've compiled successfully the very first GNU Screen version few years ago on a modern system. Without much effort.
2015-12-30T11:31:12 < PaulFertser> bloated: if you never faced it it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Also, if every app ships its own version of the libraries, that means you're not getting security updates for those in a consistent manner.
2015-12-30T11:32:20 < bloated> PaulFertser: if the lib belongs to the app, then you will get the update when you update the app. If the app ships a windows system or MSVC dll, then its installed to a standard location (under C:\windows) so it will get updated by Windows.
2015-12-30T11:32:50 < bloated> *it should. some apps dump dlls in their install directory. but there's no remedy for shitty coders.
2015-12-30T11:35:02 < PaulFertser> bloated: so, what happens when two apps both need an MSVC dll?
2015-12-30T11:35:23 < dongs> i'd rather have ONE shitty "insecure" lib in app folder on a windows app install than same shitty lib installed systemwide and only used by one app
2015-12-30T11:35:32 < dongs> the former = typical windows app install, teh latter = typical lunix app install
2015-12-30T11:35:35 < bloated> from Windows Vista onwards (I think) dll's have the file version in the filename.
2015-12-30T11:35:56 < dongs> not in filename, its managed by the SxS t hing but yeah
2015-12-30T11:36:07 < PaulFertser> bloated: I'd bet dongs was a windows fan long before introduction of vista
2015-12-30T11:36:19 < bloated> the physical file on the hard disk has the version in the filename. you access the dll with the base name.
2015-12-30T11:36:26 < dongs> I'm such a fan that I think windows ME was great
2015-12-30T11:36:38 < PaulFertser> LOL
2015-12-30T11:36:41 < dongs> yeah, see?
2015-12-30T11:36:47 < dongs> i'm just speaking from my own experience
2015-12-30T11:36:53 < bloated> PaulFertser: I run both Windows and Linux. Have done so for over 15 years. I don't have an axe to grind. The people who make fun of Windows haven't used it.
2015-12-30T11:36:56 < dongs> ME worked, booted faster, had no problems on *my* hardware.
2015-12-30T11:37:11 < dongs> if idiots were installing ancient software on it or breaking shit because they are stupid, well, what can I do?
2015-12-30T11:37:18 < ReadError> win ME was better than 98/SE
2015-12-30T11:37:23 < ReadError> i didnt have any probs with it
2015-12-30T11:37:43 < PaulFertser> bloated: trust me, I've used it enough. And programmed for it too.
2015-12-30T11:37:53 < bloated> its not that bad.
2015-12-30T11:37:57 < bloated> :)
2015-12-30T11:38:06 < PaulFertser> bloated: and I'd say I understand windows ACL rules better than 99% of its users.
2015-12-30T11:38:17 < bloated> Yeah, VMS always sucked.
2015-12-30T11:38:46 < bloated> I still remember Sys$SysPriviledge
2015-12-30T11:39:44 < dongs> PaulFertser: windows users dont need to understand "acl rules"
2015-12-30T11:40:03 < dongs> but when I install latest fedora and try to do basic shit like share a fucking folder
2015-12-30T11:40:14 < dongs> and it ends up wasting ~hour of my time to finalyl figure out it was due to SELUNIX
2015-12-30T11:40:15 < PaulFertser> dongs: so one can say NixOS has kinda modern windows way to handle library dependencies, that's what makes it special. It has its own pros and contras.
2015-12-30T11:40:15 < bloated> syslinux b0rks it up ?
2015-12-30T11:40:23 < bloated> err selinux
2015-12-30T11:40:29 < dongs> this is where I just shift-del stuff and keep using windows
2015-12-30T11:40:53 < bloated> pros and cons.
2015-12-30T11:41:03 < bloated> Contras live in South America.
2015-12-30T11:41:09 < dongs> lunix has no pros and a mile-long list of cons
2015-12-30T11:41:24 < PaulFertser> dongs: duh, ACL is applied to every object on windows, that includes files, folders, registry entries, memory regions, handles etc etc. If you do not have to face it that means you're using it in a single-users msdos style.
2015-12-30T11:41:35 < dongs> PaulFertser: yawn
2015-12-30T11:42:15 < dongs> PaulFertser: yet somehow it doens't prevent me from sahring a folder so that only a specific user can read/write to it
2015-12-30T11:42:20 < dongs> with just a few clicks, too.
2015-12-30T11:42:23 < PaulFertser> bloated: sure
2015-12-30T11:43:19 < PaulFertser> dongs: windows works as intended for its typical usecases, I do not argue that.
2015-12-30T11:45:15 < PaulFertser> bloated: isn't having a software repository with proper dependencies and means to easily update a good thing? Something that windows users lack even in modern versions (OS X doesn't have one either).
2015-12-30T11:45:21 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhfcWTZeP1k
2015-12-30T11:45:39 < dongs> PaulFertser: repositories is a thing of lunix.
2015-12-30T11:45:46 < dongs> PaulFertser: windows just works, you dont need to give a new name to shit that already works
2015-12-30T11:46:33 < PaulFertser> dongs: but how do you install additional software for it? And how do you update it?
2015-12-30T11:47:08 < bloated> PaulFertser: possibly. I've never felt the need. And I can't imagine the headache required to setup a repository of closed source proprietary software.
2015-12-30T11:47:14 < dongs> PaulFertser: ????
2015-12-30T11:47:28 < dongs> PaulFertser: i updated altium this morning
2015-12-30T11:47:32 < dongs> from 16.0.5 to 16.0.6
2015-12-30T11:47:36 < dongs> i ran setup.exe
2015-12-30T11:47:37 < dongs> ???
2015-12-30T11:47:42 < PaulFertser> dongs: so every app has to embed its own update mechanism?
2015-12-30T11:47:57 < dongs> PaulFertser: not sure what you're getting it
2015-12-30T11:48:12 < dongs> why would someone want to maintain a centralized "windows app update" system and force everyone to use it?
2015-12-30T11:48:31 < dongs> er, it=at
2015-12-30T11:48:32 < zyp> because then you can update everything at once, or something like that
2015-12-30T11:48:55 < dongs> yeah and it would handle licensing, configuration udpating, etc etc
2015-12-30T11:49:05 < dongs> it would be so pro
2015-12-30T11:49:08 < dongs> everyone would use windows
2015-12-30T11:49:13 < dongs> cuz it finalyl gota package manager
2015-12-30T11:49:16 < zyp> it's very fun with breaking updates, because then you can break everything at once
2015-12-30T11:49:18 < jpa-> maybe it could be called "app store"
2015-12-30T11:49:19 < dongs> these lunix dudes are insane, i fucking tellin you
2015-12-30T11:49:20 < PaulFertser> dongs: windows doesn't have a software ecosystem. Everything is detached from everything else. You do not get any new qualities from combining different software, it's always a mere aggregation.
2015-12-30T11:49:31 < dongs> PaulFertser: HOW IS THAT A FUCKING PROBLEM
2015-12-30T11:49:36 < dongs> PaulFertser: i have software that works
2015-12-30T11:49:37 < bloated> PaulFertser: its the same with Linux
2015-12-30T11:49:42 < dongs> I cannot say the same about LUNIX
2015-12-30T11:49:50 < dongs> its a bunch of shitty software that tries to be like e xisting windows software
2015-12-30T11:49:52 < dongs> that barely works
2015-12-30T11:49:57 < bloated> How much of Linux stuff interoperates ? Even the Window Managers don't do it properly.
2015-12-30T11:49:57 < dongs> is full of bugs (but OPENSORES OMG WOW YAY)
2015-12-30T11:50:05 < bloated> There isn't even a common cut and paste paradigm.
2015-12-30T11:50:08 < dongs> yeah let's try copypaste some shit between lunix apps
2015-12-30T11:50:14 < dongs> ha ha bloated ^5
2015-12-30T11:50:14 < bloated> If I want to make fun of Linux I'd start there.
2015-12-30T11:50:19 < bloated> Linux can't cut and paste properly.
2015-12-30T11:50:22 < PaulFertser> bloated: with GNU/Linux you actually benefit because most people are trying to use others' work to improve their software. Combining different pieces gives new qualities.
2015-12-30T11:50:31 < dongs> PaulFertser: incorrect
2015-12-30T11:50:32 < zyp> hahaha
2015-12-30T11:50:39 < zyp> PaulFertser, no, I'm with bloated here
2015-12-30T11:50:55 < dongs> PaulFertser: 90% of the time, they will make a new libfuckoff-0.2-pre1 because libfucked-0.1 wasn't cool enough
2015-12-30T11:51:10 < zyp> it's a mess of competing shit, and nothing does all you need, so you end up with a mix of everything
2015-12-30T11:51:28 < dongs> so not only will tehy duplicate all the effort, they will actually waste MORE TIME writing ~almost same~ thing and then call it thier own, and ONLY THEIR APP WILL USE IT
2015-12-30T11:51:44 < PaulFertser> bloated: cut-n-paste has nothing to do with the kernel, I have no idea what you're talking about. X11 selection was introduced before the first windows nt version and it still works just fine.
2015-12-30T11:52:09 < dongs> laff
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2015-12-30T11:58:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/01KT8IW.gifv
2015-12-30T11:58:51 < dongs> lol
2015-12-30T11:59:21 < PaulFertser> zyp: some competition is good. I'd say on a typical GNU/Linux system the level of code reuse is way higher than on Windows.
2015-12-30T11:59:30 < dongs> nope
2015-12-30T12:00:00 < dongs> lunix people scratch itches
2015-12-30T12:00:06 < dongs> which means they reivent the wheel all the time
2015-12-30T12:00:10 < dongs> because they don't agree wiht the current wheel
2015-12-30T12:00:13 < pid> Don't agree
2015-12-30T12:00:55 < pid> There *are* shitloads of forks, but usually there is one or two actually used one
2015-12-30T12:01:18 < dongs> i'm not even talking forks
2015-12-30T12:01:20 < pid> And that one receives pull requests, isssue corrections,....
2015-12-30T12:01:31 < dongs> how many diferent libs on lunix reimplement quicksort?
2015-12-30T12:01:37 < dongs> because the one in /lib is "too free" or something?
2015-12-30T12:01:51 < pid> Dont know any ;p
2015-12-30T12:02:18 < dongs> i can think of glib, qt off the top of my head
2015-12-30T12:02:22 < pid> Gnu is too free. It's because gnu often is not company-compliant
2015-12-30T12:04:29 < PaulFertser> I have an impression that people who are happy with windows are mostly either inexperienced in system administration or haven't used anything else. If you're an ms-dos style user and need only some popular end-user apps, well then, windows mostly works as expected.
2015-12-30T12:04:31 < pid> Meh. I should get some sleep. My English is kind of shitty today.
2015-12-30T12:05:50 < pid> All in all: use whatever you want and flame only when you have time to burn. ;)
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2015-12-30T12:09:26 < PaulFertser> dongs: and btw, people pay money for windows and get only an imitation of tech support on answers.microsoft.com. That's plain offensive imho.
2015-12-30T12:10:22 < ReadError> well lets be honest
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2015-12-30T12:10:32 < ReadError> how often has anyone needed to contact MS support as a consumer
2015-12-30T12:12:33 < PaulFertser> dongs: if someone tells me windows is a tool that works for his purpose, ok, plausible. But if one says he's sincerely happy with windows it certainly means he's doing only the most basic and boring stuff with it. I can imagine a sysadmin praising Active Directory. I can't imagine him saying he is happy with all the choices, design decisions and "shortcomings" of it.
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2015-12-30T12:16:08 < MightyPork> hi,anyone got experience with L100 ? Trying to get the temperature sensor working, but RM refers to datasheet (where the calibration constants should be stored), and datasheet is missing the information.
2015-12-30T12:16:09 < PaulFertser> ReadError: still, if you pay for something you should expect at least some level of respect, and they instead give bullshit answers for serious questions.
2015-12-30T12:16:46 < MightyPork> "Refer to the specific device datasheet for more information about TS_CAL1 and TS_CAL2 calibration points." - and datasheet doesn't even mention the temperature sensor
2015-12-30T12:17:05 < PaulFertser> MightyPork: for l152 there was some appnote with more elaborate description and code example, I remember finding the constant's location in there.
2015-12-30T12:17:25 < MightyPork> it's l100rc, think it'll be the same?
2015-12-30T12:17:26 < PaulFertser> No idea if it's applicable to l100.
2015-12-30T12:17:31 < PaulFertser> But you can try.
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2015-12-30T12:17:40 < MightyPork> hm. cant seem to find it but i'll try again
2015-12-30T12:19:40 < PaulFertser> MightyPork: http://paste.debian.net/357006/
2015-12-30T12:19:57 < PaulFertser> Seems to work fine for me.
2015-12-30T12:21:36 < dongs> as exciting this discussion is, time to hit the sauna
2015-12-30T12:21:45 < dongs> < PaulFertser> dongs: and btw, people pay money for windows and get only an imitation of tech support on
2015-12-30T12:21:48 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-30T12:21:49 < dongs> and lunix faggots pay nothinga
2015-12-30T12:21:52 < dongs> and get told to rtfm
2015-12-30T12:21:54 < dongs> on shitty forums
2015-12-30T12:21:56 < dongs> k guy
2015-12-30T12:21:57 < MightyPork> PaulFertser: I am reading just zeros from those addresses
2015-12-30T12:21:58 < dongs> we'll talk later.
2015-12-30T12:22:11 < PaulFertser> dongs: man tell me I'm not providing decent OpenOCD support
2015-12-30T12:22:18 < PaulFertser> On shitty forums
2015-12-30T12:22:28 < PaulFertser> And you'll be right, because I do not visit forums.
2015-12-30T12:25:36 < PaulFertser> MightyPork: that's unfortunate. Probably they do not store calibration data at all, check errata.
2015-12-30T12:27:16 < MightyPork> is there some site where I can find all those documents easily? Google doesnt know the errata apparently
2015-12-30T12:27:49 < zyp> try st.com
2015-12-30T12:27:57 < rewolff> 0x1FF8 007A-0x1FF8 007B raw data quicred at 30c.
2015-12-30T12:29:50 < MightyPork> rewolff: thanks but unless I'm reading it wrong, there's zeros: sprintf(buf, "%d, %d\n", *(uint16_t*)0x1FF8007A, *(uint16_t*)0x1FF8007B);
2015-12-30T12:30:01 < rewolff> It is mentioned in the '152 manual, not in '100 manual. It may not have it.
2015-12-30T12:30:36 < rewolff> There are errors like that in the ST docs. I have a "L152" manual here that does in no way mention the existance of the L100.
2015-12-30T12:30:48 < rewolff> At ST.com the RM is now shared between the two.
2015-12-30T12:31:19 < rewolff> Sounds like the '100 doez not implement it.
2015-12-30T12:31:25 < rewolff> Was worth a try.
2015-12-30T12:31:55 < rewolff> So the L100 allows you to calibrate it yourself.  the 152 calibration is done by ST.
2015-12-30T12:32:01 < rewolff> L100 is cheaper, right?
2015-12-30T12:32:21 < MightyPork> yea think so, but it's a pretty important feature
2015-12-30T12:32:50 < MightyPork> (well, I suppose if you are serious about it, you'll get a DS1820, but still)
2015-12-30T12:41:38 < MightyPork> doesn't make a whole lot of sense to even put the temperature sensor there, if there's no good way to read temperature with it...
2015-12-30T12:47:29 < PaulFertser> MightyPork: if you can calibrate it yourself then there's still some sense.
2015-12-30T12:48:07 < MightyPork> hmm. maybe for relative approximate measurement, but kinda unrealistic to expect users to heat their chip to 30 and 110°C
2015-12-30T12:49:26 < PaulFertser> MightyPork: you do not need to calibrate it over the whole range
2015-12-30T12:50:22 < gordonjcp> MightyPork: isn't it just to get a rough idea of "this equipment is getting too hot"?
2015-12-30T12:50:23 < PaulFertser> Also, you can calibrate one-two chips in a thermal camera and hope that the others from the same lot are about the same.
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2015-12-30T13:08:09 < MightyPork> interesting, looks like maybe there are some calib values. just not documented: https://gist.github.com/MightyPork/64efc7202cd5a3b4d957
2015-12-30T13:08:55 < MightyPork> 0x2A3 and 0x356 look like plausible calib constants
2015-12-30T13:11:24 < MightyPork> yes! that's it
2015-12-30T13:11:32 < MightyPork> what a half-assed job with the datasheets
2015-12-30T13:19:33 < karlp> gordonjcp: the 2% beer thing is not as weak as people somettimes think, it's 2.8%, and it's by -weight- not the more normal by volume,
2015-12-30T13:19:48 < karlp> which is ~4% abv.
2015-12-30T13:21:58 < rewolff> the 02a3 is at ...fa? That's right next to ...0f8, where the vrefint calibration lives.
2015-12-30T13:22:48 < rewolff> But when it is undocumented, the feature may have failed "internal testing".
2015-12-30T13:23:23 < rewolff> Sometimes they plan on implementing a feature, and end up failing the final test. So they simply scrap the feature from the DS.
2015-12-30T13:25:07 < gordonjcp> karlp: oh that's interesting, by weight?
2015-12-30T13:25:38 < MightyPork> at any rate, it measures temperature fine now (I guess). Getting 30-36°C
2015-12-30T13:25:44 < gordonjcp> karlp: wherever this guy was from they had really odd licensing laws, anyway
2015-12-30T13:30:49 < dongs> sup recovering addicts
2015-12-30T13:32:12 < MightyPork> maybe they scraped it, because it's so unstable
2015-12-30T13:33:47 < gordonjcp> MightyPork: like I said, I suspect it's to be used more like the temperature gauge on your car
2015-12-30T13:34:04 < gordonjcp> something to indicate "normal" and "ffs shut it down shut it down fire everywhere"
2015-12-30T13:34:26 < MightyPork> it'd work fine for that
2015-12-30T13:36:13 < MightyPork> I hoped I'd be able to use it to measure ambient temperature, but seeing what values it's getting, it's useless for that anyway
2015-12-30T13:37:05 < PaulFertser> On board I had the temperature was very close to ambient, but it was measured right after sleeping for a while so the chip itself was cold.
2015-12-30T13:37:37 < gordonjcp> MightyPork: it will be ambient with respect to the chip
2015-12-30T13:37:47 < gordonjcp> MightyPork: what's the ambient temperature in your room?
2015-12-30T13:38:08 < gordonjcp> in mine the ambient temperature appears to be about 40°C
2015-12-30T13:38:16 < gordonjcp> but that's measured right above the radiator
2015-12-30T13:38:38 < gordonjcp> if I measure over by the door it's about 15°C
2015-12-30T13:40:20 < MightyPork> I'm getting 32-34, but it's wildly fluctuating. Room temp is 20 more or less
2015-12-30T13:40:45 < MightyPork> so I suppose the chip is heating that much
2015-12-30T13:40:59 < MightyPork> or the calib is completely off, since it's not even documented
2015-12-30T13:43:50 < karlp> MightyPork: or youre not using a proper samplinkg time...
2015-12-30T13:44:16 < MightyPork> likely. the DS is devoid of that info as well :/
2015-12-30T13:45:23 < kakimir> so power lines to inner layers
2015-12-30T13:46:49 < kakimir> i rather have just lines inside groundplane
2015-12-30T13:47:54 < MightyPork> increased sample time to max, it's a tiny bit more stable now
2015-12-30T13:48:19 < MightyPork> still 32-34 though
2015-12-30T13:49:19 < karlp> that is stable...
2015-12-30T13:49:28 < karlp> also, not documented feature....
2015-12-30T13:49:38 < karlp> what are you complaining about?
2015-12-30T13:50:36 < MightyPork> nothing now, this will have to do ^^
2015-12-30T13:50:40 < dongs> which new F4 does 168MHz and has new peripherals? -> zip?
2015-12-30T13:50:42 < dongs> er -> zyp?
2015-12-30T13:52:00 < dongs> mm STM32F446
2015-12-30T13:52:11 < rewolff> MightyPork: read the L152 datasheet to get a "hint" at how to treat that stuff. They copied the hardware, they moved the location of the calibration, but otherwise the hardware is the same.
2015-12-30T13:52:39 < dongs> huh it has SPDIF
2015-12-30T13:53:08 < rewolff> I have a 446 on my desk....
2015-12-30T13:53:12 < zyp> dongs, idk, I haven't been following the newer F4s at all
2015-12-30T13:53:14 < dongs> attn aandrew Dedicated USB power rail enabling on-chip PHYs operation throughout the entire MCU power supply range
2015-12-30T13:53:20 < dongs> zyp: looks like F446 is the only thing
2015-12-30T13:53:48 < rewolff> It could do 168, but is rated at 180...
2015-12-30T13:53:52 < dongs> yeah
2015-12-30T13:54:15 < rewolff> Acceptable too? Oh, ok :-)
2015-12-30T13:54:29 < dongs> yeah, i meant != 100 that all the 411/etc are at
2015-12-30T13:54:43 < rewolff> 401=84?
2015-12-30T13:54:49 < dongs> 84, 100 for 401/411
2015-12-30T13:54:52 < rewolff> ewven worse.
2015-12-30T13:54:52 < dongs> around there
2015-12-30T13:54:55 < zyp> new peripherals as in I2Cv2 and shit?
2015-12-30T13:55:03 < dongs> and new usart
2015-12-30T13:55:09 < zyp> ah
2015-12-30T13:55:12 < zyp> neat, didn't know that
2015-12-30T13:55:27 < zyp> I assumed all F4 were on the same ver
2015-12-30T13:56:27 < dongs> hmcrap
2015-12-30T13:56:30 < dongs> 446 is old usart
2015-12-30T13:57:04 < zyp> what do you need new usart for?
2015-12-30T13:57:15 < dongs> swap rxtx :p
2015-12-30T13:57:20 < dongs> i don't "need" it but its nice
2015-12-30T13:57:50 < MightyPork> what for, besides sometimes easier routing perhaps?
2015-12-30T13:59:06 < dongs> hmm since when is ST posting BSDL files
2015-12-30T13:59:09 < dongs> for processors
2015-12-30T13:59:58 < PeterM> a while - and they'd always give them if you asked
2015-12-30T14:00:35 < dongs> mkay
2015-12-30T14:00:37 < dongs> have you asked?
2015-12-30T14:01:09 < PeterM> in the past, yes
2015-12-30T14:01:25 < PeterM> not recently though because i have always found em
2015-12-30T14:01:50 < qyx> anyone used Si842x for CAN isolation?
2015-12-30T14:03:14 < qyx> much cheaper than the ADUM parts
2015-12-30T14:03:57 < zyp> what kind of voltages are they rated for?
2015-12-30T14:04:24 < qyx> 2.6-5.5V
2015-12-30T14:04:30 < zyp> no, isolation
2015-12-30T14:04:41 < PeterM> so functional isolation rather than practical isolation
2015-12-30T14:04:43 < PeterM> ?
2015-12-30T14:05:21 < zyp> I've considered dicking around with some line level measurement shit, which means that GND on individual can nodes might end up being hundreds of volts apart
2015-12-30T14:05:51 < qyx> aha, 5000Vrms
2015-12-30T14:06:05 < zyp> okay, that'll certainly work
2015-12-30T14:06:46 < qyx> but thats "up to", so probably not all of them
2015-12-30T14:07:20 < zyp> there's so much bullshit EV charging stations around that are all shitty or overpriced
2015-12-30T14:07:48 < zyp> so I'm considering building my own
2015-12-30T14:07:58 < dongs> you have an EV?
2015-12-30T14:08:02 < zyp> with energy metering and networking for monitoring and remote control
2015-12-30T14:08:09 < zyp> dongs, in a few months I will
2015-12-30T14:08:15 < dongs> cool
2015-12-30T14:09:02 < zyp> I'm thinking about doing a modular approach, with modules in din-rail boxes
2015-12-30T14:10:21 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSzJYTVpOR1NmcTg/view?usp=sharing how is that belt looking
2015-12-30T14:10:28 < zyp> one for EV comms and control, one for energy metering
2015-12-30T14:10:39 < zyp> and CAN between them
2015-12-30T14:11:40 < gordonjcp> kakimir: bit fuzzy at the edge?  How many miles?
2015-12-30T14:11:44 < zyp> I figure if I do it well I might be able to sell the modules too, to other DIY guys
2015-12-30T14:12:03 < gordonjcp> kakimir: if there's any question about a timing belt just change it, and ideally the idlers while you're at it
2015-12-30T14:12:30 < kakimir> i have new one
2015-12-30T14:13:55 < kakimir> package has something called "belt suspensers" or so?
2015-12-30T14:14:03 < kakimir> idler?
2015-12-30T14:15:51 < qyx> ok, I'll try it then
2015-12-30T14:15:57 < qyx> making an eagle lib now
2015-12-30T14:16:42 < kakimir> but I think it doesn't have that tensioner part or anything that loads the belt
2015-12-30T14:17:03 < qyx> zyp: nah, I am plnning to do a solar water pump controller in a din rail box
2015-12-30T14:17:06 < gordonjcp> the little wheel that you adjust the tension with
2015-12-30T14:17:09 < kakimir> it's okay not to change that tensioner load?
2015-12-30T14:17:24 < gordonjcp> kakimir: well there are proper ways to set the tension
2015-12-30T14:17:31 < gordonjcp> kakimir: check the manual for your car
2015-12-30T14:17:32 < zyp> qyx, cool
2015-12-30T14:17:41 < kakimir> http://s54.photobucket.com/user/Tim_18T/media/stuff.jpg.html
2015-12-30T14:17:48 < zyp> have you looked at which box to use yet?
2015-12-30T14:17:52 < gordonjcp> kakimir: *in general* if you tension it up so you can just twist the longest run of the belt by 90 degrees it's "about right"
2015-12-30T14:18:04 < qyx> zyp: DC energy metering with CAN output?
2015-12-30T14:18:24 < zyp> AC
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2015-12-30T14:18:40 < qyx> meh
2015-12-30T14:18:48 < kakimir> but I dont need anything else than the belt and idler pulley for this?
2015-12-30T14:19:07 < kakimir> and water pump while I'm at it
2015-12-30T14:19:19 < kakimir> *coolant
2015-12-30T14:20:38 < gordonjcp> kakimir: wouldn't have thought so
2015-12-30T14:20:51 < gordonjcp> if the water pump is behind the belt then this is a great time to do it
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2015-12-30T14:30:52 < englishman> zyp: what are you going to buy?
2015-12-30T14:31:43 < zyp> I ordered the e-Golf
2015-12-30T14:31:49 < englishman> cool
2015-12-30T14:32:02 < zyp> looked like the least shitty one in that price range
2015-12-30T14:32:38 < dongs> wat is this MPGe rating
2015-12-30T14:32:58 < zyp> idk
2015-12-30T14:33:07 < englishman> equivalent $ stuff
2015-12-30T14:33:10 < zyp> here people talk about kW/km
2015-12-30T14:33:25 < englishman> ie: manufacturer bs
2015-12-30T14:34:13 < englishman> sha1 warning on vw.com hehe
2015-12-30T14:34:42 < englishman> related: there was a pretty neat talk at 32c3 about vw's 'cheating' it was pretty neat
2015-12-30T14:34:47 < englishman> neato
2015-12-30T14:35:08 < zyp> yeah, I'm looking forward to see how they've managed to cheat with the emissions from the e-Golf
2015-12-30T14:35:23 < dongs> whats the battery chemistry?
2015-12-30T14:35:34 < dongs> LI* or NiMH?
2015-12-30T14:35:44 < dongs> i guess EV-only stuff is Li* right?
2015-12-30T14:35:52 < englishman> nobody uses nimh in electric-only nomw
2015-12-30T14:35:54 < zyp> yeah
2015-12-30T14:36:17 < englishman> that is firmly jappo hybrid stuff
2015-12-30T14:36:26 < zyp> IIRC PHEV Prius is also li
2015-12-30T14:36:28 < dongs> neg, my prius is Li
2015-12-30T14:36:50 < englishman> must be new
2015-12-30T14:36:52 < zyp> but non-plugin prius is nimh
2015-12-30T14:37:10 < dongs> last year i think
2015-12-30T14:37:51 < dongs> any quick way to rename a net in altidong?
2015-12-30T14:38:09 < dongs> and I dont mean doubleclicking net label but actually rename a net, changing both(all) labels at once
2015-12-30T14:39:24 < englishman> sounds like find similar items job
2015-12-30T14:39:48 < dongs> that sounds liek a lot of work tho
2015-12-30T14:40:04 < englishman> its not after you use it once or twice
2015-12-30T14:40:18 < englishman> and you can use the formula thing to append or something if they arent all identical
2015-12-30T14:40:56 < dongs> yeah well thats not the point
2015-12-30T14:41:10 < dongs> i'd have to find stufrf with same name first or click/highlight and make sure i got all of htem
2015-12-30T14:41:28 < englishman> it sounds like you are trying to duplicate functionality that already exists, please use the lunix port of altium
2015-12-30T14:43:14 < dongs> hmm, apparently i can use search & replace for just net labels
2015-12-30T14:43:49 < dongs> yes
2015-12-30T14:43:50 < dongs> that worked
2015-12-30T14:43:51 < dongs> way better.
2015-12-30T14:43:57 < dongs> ctrl_h and select net identifiers
2015-12-30T14:44:11 < dongs> and it shows the changes in "messages" window
2015-12-30T14:44:18 < dongs> so i can confirm to make sure some other unrelated shit didnt change
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2015-12-30T14:52:44 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/3xkxMhx.png
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2015-12-30T14:53:28 < BrainDamage> found <insert channel user>
2015-12-30T14:57:03 < ReadError> fess up who is it
2015-12-30T14:57:47 < dongs> lol prompt on replace in ctrl+h is pretty retarded
2015-12-30T14:57:52 < dongs> it zooms in like 9000% into the label
2015-12-30T14:57:55 < dongs> so you see no context around it
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2015-12-30T15:29:15 < jadew> found an EPROM from 77 in one of my junk boxes
2015-12-30T15:29:50 < jadew> has the little window for UV erasing and took a peak, it's amazing how simple they are
2015-12-30T15:30:14 < jadew> you can probably extract the full schematic in a couple of hours
2015-12-30T15:30:30 < jadew> (probably less)
2015-12-30T15:30:36 < jadew> 1kb
2015-12-30T15:31:06 < jadew> I'm tempted to power it up and see what's inside
2015-12-30T15:32:45 < jadew> found the datasheet and it's amazing the detail in which they go
2015-12-30T15:33:07 < jadew> they explain how stuff happens on the die, with pictures :)
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2015-12-30T16:04:19 < Getty> hihi my hoster had a bug in his installation procedure and so all hosts installed after 10.4.2015 have the same ssh hostkey, he just informed all customers
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2015-12-30T16:10:56 < dongs> lunix so secure
2015-12-30T16:11:16 < Getty> well i dont think that linux is the relevant part here ;)
2015-12-30T16:12:05 < Getty> someone made a bug in a deploy software, if the software would deploy a commercial unix it would be equal problematic ;)
2015-12-30T16:13:50 < dongs> err, no
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2015-12-30T16:14:48 < ReadError> windows 10 with MS LIVE authenticator would never have this issue
2015-12-30T16:14:53 < dongs> definitely
2015-12-30T16:14:56 < Getty> dongs: why?
2015-12-30T16:14:58 < dongs> i gotta setup windows hello thing on my new junktoip
2015-12-30T16:15:03 < dongs> see wtf it supposed to do
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2015-12-30T16:15:11 < dongs> also is tehre a SDK for those IR/depth sensing cams
2015-12-30T16:15:15 < Getty> dongs: would be the same ssh with the same host-key, the situation is identical, what i miss? ;)
2015-12-30T16:21:05 < dongs> wow
2015-12-30T16:21:09 < dongs> windows hello is epic
2015-12-30T16:21:21 < dongs> it really works
2015-12-30T16:23:11 < englishman> with face shit
2015-12-30T16:23:19 < dongs> ya
2015-12-30T16:23:27 < dongs> i could see the 2 IR emitters blinking
2015-12-30T16:23:32 < dongs> while it was doing depth map thingy
2015-12-30T16:23:34 < englishman> cool, cuz the android one is terrible
2015-12-30T16:23:46 < englishman> ir what
2015-12-30T16:23:48 < dongs> probably better than zano's IR sensors
2015-12-30T16:23:48 < englishman> not camera?
2015-12-30T16:23:57 < dongs> there's IR + camera
2015-12-30T16:24:06 < dongs> it combines the two, kinect-style i think
2015-12-30T16:24:27 < englishman> but i can still print out a photo of dongs
2015-12-30T16:24:33 < englishman> and log into your laptopz
2015-12-30T16:24:40 < dongs> doubtful
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2015-12-30T16:27:26 < englishman> try it
2015-12-30T16:27:38 < englishman> the assdroid one makes you blink
2015-12-30T16:27:57 < dongs> kinect shit takes a 3d image
2015-12-30T16:28:00 < dongs> including depth
2015-12-30T16:28:02 < englishman> so youd have to make some photo with cutouts and a slidey thing that blinks
2015-12-30T16:28:04 < dongs> so a printed copy obviosuly wouldnt work
2015-12-30T16:28:12 < englishman> what is this, you have a kinect in laptop?
2015-12-30T16:28:21 < englishman> does it have that kind of resolution
2015-12-30T16:28:22 < dongs> yeah its the windows hello - certified cam thing
2015-12-30T16:28:40 < dongs> which is ~kinect
2015-12-30T16:28:54 < dongs> http://windowsitpro.com/windows-10/q-what-required-use-windows-hello-facial-recognition-logon-windows-10
2015-12-30T16:28:58 < ReadError> so can you 3d scan your cat?
2015-12-30T16:29:10 < dongs> Two common implementations are the Intel RealSense technology (F200 camera) and the Kinect v2. A number of laptops utilize the F200 camera today and it can also be purchased as a standalone camera as part of a developer kit.
2015-12-30T16:29:14 < dongs> yes
2015-12-30T16:29:55 < englishman> 512x424 in kinect v2
2015-12-30T16:30:24 < dongs> Full VGA depth resolution
2015-12-30T16:30:24 < dongs> 1080p RGB camera
2015-12-30T16:30:30 < dongs> 800x600 depth for intel cam
2015-12-30T16:30:30 < englishman> rgb
2015-12-30T16:30:31 < dongs> cool
2015-12-30T16:30:34 < englishman> nice
2015-12-30T16:31:23 < englishman> what is depth z resolution i wonder
2015-12-30T16:31:27 < englishman> like mm or cm
2015-12-30T16:32:02 < dongs> shrug,specs are on intel site somewehre
2015-12-30T16:32:34 < ReadError> 'i thought asians have flat faces'
2015-12-30T16:32:46 < englishman> can i use this for my dicknplace project
2015-12-30T16:32:51 < englishman> to automatically bend the pins straight
2015-12-30T16:33:32 < dongs> yes
2015-12-30T16:33:35 < dongs> but only on dips
2015-12-30T16:34:52 < dongs> looks like you can do 3d scanning with it too
2015-12-30T16:34:54 < dongs> hmmmm
2015-12-30T16:35:06 < dongs> i should probly download sdk and try dickign with it
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2015-12-30T16:38:55 < karlp> qyx: we've used some Si8 something parts for spi isolation, also because they were cheaper than the ADUm parts
2015-12-30T16:39:28 < karlp> there was one gotcha about idle high vs low vs high z or somethign when one side was unpowered, nothing major, we enabled internal pullups somewhere or something, but it was a bit surprising at first.
2015-12-30T16:39:34 < karlp> no experience with can though sorry
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2015-12-30T16:43:17 < dongs> https://appshowcase.intel.com/en-us/realsense/product-listing?cam=f200
2015-12-30T16:43:18 < dongs> wut
2015-12-30T16:43:22 < dongs> bunch of shitty gamez?
2015-12-30T16:43:26 < dongs> not sure how they even need this camera
2015-12-30T16:45:15 < karlp> zyp: I've got some din rail AC measurement devices and a din rail usb/wifi/ethernet box if you want to just play with software instead...
2015-12-30T16:46:37 < dongs> http://www.kagura.cc/download downloadin this as looked the only somewaht useful app
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2015-12-30T16:54:05 < dongs> ownt
2015-12-30T16:54:12 < dongs> cuz toshiba changed camera name/ID realsense SDK doens't see it
2015-12-30T16:55:08 < dongs> too lazy to figure it out, back to stoning
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2015-12-30T17:39:53 < ReadError> dongs
2015-12-30T17:39:54 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/eO1Qa.jpg
2015-12-30T17:39:59 < ReadError> did they fix this shit in 16?
2015-12-30T17:40:08 < Rob235> ugh... my stomach
2015-12-30T17:40:14 < dongs> what shit?
2015-12-30T17:40:24 < dongs> if you mean your retarded way of using hidpi monitors, then no idea
2015-12-30T17:40:28 < ReadError> high dpi
2015-12-30T17:40:36 < dongs> i never had that problem
2015-12-30T17:41:05 < upgrdman_> ReadError, yes. i had lots of that shit in 15, and have not see any overlapping text in 16
2015-12-30T17:41:35 < ReadError> oh, so you use hidpi retardedly also?
2015-12-30T17:41:39 < ReadError> glad its not just me
2015-12-30T17:41:42 < upgrdman_> yes
2015-12-30T17:41:47 < upgrdman_> i like me some 200%
2015-12-30T17:41:49 < dongs> i'm so pro, i havent had to actually use that package generator in 16 at all
2015-12-30T17:41:51 < upgrdman_> 150% is ok tho
2015-12-30T17:42:03 < dongs> upgrdman_: 4K @ 12" looks great at 150
2015-12-30T17:42:10 < upgrdman_> cool
2015-12-30T17:43:16 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/GU4mqLh.png
2015-12-30T17:43:25 < dongs> looks ok here CloneBro
2015-12-30T17:43:45 < ReadError> yea looks like they updated that
2015-12-30T17:43:51 < ReadError> the checkbox for STEP
2015-12-30T17:44:14 < dongs> wat about it
2015-12-30T17:44:25 < ReadError> im just saying the updated the wizard
2015-12-30T17:44:30 < ReadError> and probably fixed it
2015-12-30T17:49:07 < kakimir> nice wizard
2015-12-30T17:49:11 < kakimir> future proof
2015-12-30T17:49:27 < kakimir> did you sleep dongs?
2015-12-30T17:49:34 < kakimir> or are you about to?
2015-12-30T17:49:37 < dongs> soon
2015-12-30T17:49:43 < dongs> dicking with DDR3 routing
2015-12-30T17:49:57 < kakimir> tell about it
2015-12-30T17:50:06 < kakimir> fpga?
2015-12-30T17:50:21 < kakimir> zano clone that does what zano should have?
2015-12-30T17:51:10 < dongs> yes
2015-12-30T17:51:43 < kakimir> no joke?
2015-12-30T17:52:11 < ReadError> YHBT
2015-12-30T17:52:30 < kakimir> you're true.. hero
2015-12-30T17:52:35 < kakimir> oh..
2015-12-30T17:52:47 < kakimir> nothin
2015-12-30T17:53:45 < ReadError> ᶠᶸᶜᵏ♥ᵧₒᵤ
2015-12-30T17:54:33 < dongs> im gonna be pro and try to do it all single-sided
2015-12-30T17:54:52 < kakimir> even bypass caps?
2015-12-30T17:55:02 < kakimir> one copper layer?
2015-12-30T17:55:17 < dongs> yes ddr3 on home etched single layer pcb
2015-12-30T17:55:19 < dongs> blb
2015-12-30T17:55:22 < dongs> bbl rather
2015-12-30T17:55:30 < kakimir> o/
2015-12-30T17:55:33 < kakimir> sleep tite
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2015-12-30T18:58:20 < kakimir> recommendations for really small digital servos?
2015-12-30T18:58:28 < kakimir> I have ES9051 servos
2015-12-30T18:58:36 < kakimir> smaller of better I'm looking for
2015-12-30T18:58:39 < kakimir> *or
2015-12-30T18:59:57 < kakimir> http://www.emaxmodel.com/servos/servos/es9051-4-3g-plastics-digital-servo.html
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2015-12-30T19:02:03 < Getty> do americans also use sometimes mm.dd.yyyy notation instead of mm/dd/yyyy ?
2015-12-30T19:03:06 < XTL> Sadly, yes. Or it might be canadians
2015-12-30T19:03:34 < XTL> Somebody does that at least
2015-12-30T19:04:20 < kakimir> so many things are wrong in this world
2015-12-30T19:04:51 < qyx> we use dd.mm.yyyy
2015-12-30T19:05:03 < Getty> well but its pretty clear where the majority of those wrong things are ;-)
2015-12-30T19:05:41 < Getty> qyx: here visualized http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/united-states-vs-the-rest-of-the-world.jpg ;)
2015-12-30T19:05:42 < kakimir> dd.mm.yyyy in here
2015-12-30T19:06:50 < Getty> as said, modern civilization will also reach those parts of the world
2015-12-30T19:06:56 < Getty> we just wait :D
2015-12-30T19:07:19 < XTL> cancer might spread faster
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2015-12-30T19:10:51 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/EMAX-ES9251-2-5g-Plastic-Digital-Servo-for-RC-Airplane-Ample-Speed-Brand-New-/141742354570 I think this might do for rudder
2015-12-30T19:12:12 < kakimir> have bigger ones for elevator and flaperons
2015-12-30T19:13:26 < gordonjcp> kakimir: what are you building?
2015-12-30T19:16:02 < kakimir> discus launch glider
2015-12-30T19:16:16 < kakimir> to be build at some point
2015-12-30T19:16:59 < kakimir> not like performance one
2015-12-30T19:17:41 < kakimir> just change new boom and electronics compartment for hobbyking shiette
2015-12-30T19:18:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKakV0anhUbG4wRmM/view?usp=sharing mold piece.. I need to extend it a bit
2015-12-30T19:21:26 < gordonjcp> cool
2015-12-30T19:21:39 < gordonjcp> I got a small quadcopter for Christmas
2015-12-30T19:21:43 < gordonjcp> thoroughly bitten by the bug
2015-12-30T19:22:14 < gordonjcp> it's just been too windy to fly the past couple of days, I had it out yesterday for a bit
2015-12-30T19:23:42 < XTL> Never heard of flaperons. That was interesting.
2015-12-30T19:23:52 < gordonjcp> XTL: not a common feature
2015-12-30T19:25:25 < gordonjcp> http://gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/quad.webm <- shitty flying, way too windy
2015-12-30T19:25:44 < kakimir> small gliders hae flaperons because no room for multiple servos and control surfaces
2015-12-30T19:26:30 < kakimir> XTL: flies better than zano
2015-12-30T19:27:05 < gordonjcp> think the Kitfox microlight had flaperons
2015-12-30T19:27:29 < XTL> Wow, that was loud. Neat, though. Cameras would be the thing to get me interested in flying things.
2015-12-30T19:27:53 < gordonjcp> XTL: sorry, yeah, it's loud
2015-12-30T19:27:53 < XTL> Of course they're kind of neat even without but having new perspectives to familiar places would be cool.
2015-12-30T19:28:04 < gordonjcp> I ought to have run it through an editor and knocked the level down a bit
2015-12-30T19:33:12 < upgrdman_> Getty, theres several things the usa does weird, but to me dates should be yyyy/mm/dd or mm/dd/yyyy
2015-12-30T19:33:25 < upgrdman_> yyyy/mm/dd is nice because its sortable
2015-12-30T19:33:56 < upgrdman_> mm/dd/yyyy is better than dd/mm/yyyy because, at least to me, knowing the day before knowing the month is often meaningless
2015-12-30T19:34:10 < upgrdman_> many things span more than one month, so starting with the month is useful
2015-12-30T19:34:26 < Getty> upgrdman_: yeah i thought the same, till i saw today a 1.20.2017 (in context of republicans cheering towards that date)
2015-12-30T19:34:45 < upgrdman_> i never see . separators
2015-12-30T19:34:56 < upgrdman_> just / for handwritten, and some - for typed shit
2015-12-30T19:37:10 < upgrdman_> and if we're gonna bitch about cultural differances, it's fucking retarded that europe does metric but not necessarily SI
2015-12-30T19:37:27 < kakimir> it's easier to say september eleventh than eleventh day of september
2015-12-30T19:37:34 < upgrdman_> like "30000 km" ... bitch, say "30 Mm" instead
2015-12-30T19:37:36 < Getty> upgrdman_: thats why i was asking: http://9gag.com/gag/a4Y9ME6
2015-12-30T19:38:22 < upgrdman_> Getty, im 99% sure that was made AND design in china
2015-12-30T19:38:32 < upgrdman_> and they seem to use .'s sometimes
2015-12-30T19:38:44 < Getty> still an american put it on the counter to sell
2015-12-30T19:38:55 < Getty> ;-)
2015-12-30T19:38:57 < upgrdman_> of course. we love cheap china shit
2015-12-30T19:41:11 < kakimir> sometimes when nobody is watching
2015-12-30T19:41:19 < kakimir> americans may act like europeans
2015-12-30T19:41:30 < upgrdman_> for example?
2015-12-30T19:43:32 < kakimir> I don't know.. I have not noticed anything
2015-12-30T19:44:09 < ReadError> lol what does that even mean
2015-12-30T19:44:20 < ReadError> so meta
2015-12-30T19:44:24 < upgrdman_> ^ yes
2015-12-30T19:48:40 < upgrdman_> also europe with their VHDL. wtf. so verbose. systemverilog is such amaze
2015-12-30T19:50:47 < Steffanx> yankees with their verilog? Python is the way to go :P
2015-12-30T19:50:57 < upgrdman_> inorite
2015-12-30T19:51:41 < upgrdman_> i was just reading that python suppport HDL for reals. http://www.myhdl.org/
2015-12-30T19:51:48 < upgrdman_> "from python to silicon"
2015-12-30T19:54:22 < upgrdman_> sup R2COM
2015-12-30T19:57:58 < XTL> yyyy-mm-dd is ISO uniform, and sorts correctly
2015-12-30T19:58:42 < ReadError> dd/mm/yyyy is retarded
2015-12-30T19:58:43 < XTL> period is used for ordinals so sort of makes sense in languages that say dth of mth in y
2015-12-30T19:59:21 < upgrdman_> "dth of mth" lolwut... like "seven of juneth" ?
2015-12-30T19:59:46 < upgrdman_> because yy is dumb as fuck
2015-12-30T20:00:05 < XTL> seventh of fifth. I don't think anyone writes 7.june.yyyy
2015-12-30T20:00:09 < upgrdman_> yes, which is why it's a signed number :)
2015-12-30T20:00:59 < XTL> Well, all past dates are fantasies so an arbitrary zero is as good as any
2015-12-30T20:01:01 < upgrdman_> ya i no. because the universtarts start in like -4000BC right? /s
2015-12-30T20:01:48 < XTL> I'm sure they'll cross the stardate bridge eventually
2015-12-30T20:02:17 < XTL> Also, credits
2015-12-30T20:02:25 < XTL> (unless Culture)
2015-12-30T20:03:03 < XTL> (or barbarians)
2015-12-30T20:03:47 < upgrdman_> lol
2015-12-30T20:04:06 < upgrdman_> you should totally use that whening signing and dating documents
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2015-12-30T20:10:46 < XTL> It's an arbitrary made up date. Like the zero meridian
2015-12-30T20:10:52 < MightyPork> it's just not outputting anything
2015-12-30T20:17:11 < jpa-> MightyPork: maybe you need to set CCER register also?
2015-12-30T20:18:37 < MightyPork> excellent, that did the trick, thanks jpa- !
2015-12-30T20:18:52 < jpa-> that was fast :)
2015-12-30T20:19:54 < MightyPork> looks like I skipped one paragraph in the PWM mode section
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2015-12-30T20:33:58 < ReadError> upgrdman_, you tried this 'floating' method of pcb etching
2015-12-30T20:34:09 < upgrdman_> ?
2015-12-30T20:34:20 < ReadError> just a tiny bit of ferric and surface tension floats the board
2015-12-30T20:34:26 < ReadError> for singlesided anyways
2015-12-30T20:34:32 < upgrdman_> never tried that
2015-12-30T20:34:49 < upgrdman_> but seriously, FCl sucks ass
2015-12-30T20:35:01 < upgrdman_> i use HCl + H2O2 now
2015-12-30T20:35:09 < upgrdman_> its amaze balls
2015-12-30T20:35:11 < ReadError> yea its dirty stuff, ive done acid+h2o2
2015-12-30T20:35:14 < ReadError> ya
2015-12-30T20:35:39 < upgrdman_> with 35% h2o2 i can etch a board as fast as i want.
2015-12-30T20:35:42 < ReadError> seems to take longer
2015-12-30T20:35:49 < ReadError> least with my pharmacy h2o2
2015-12-30T20:35:55 < upgrdman_> like i have to dilute it to keep the rate slow enough to be manageable
2015-12-30T20:36:25 < upgrdman_> with half/half, no water... 1oz copper is fucking GONE in like 3 seconds. scary fast and violent.
2015-12-30T20:36:38 < upgrdman_> i usually add like 70% water to slow it down
2015-12-30T20:36:40 < ReadError> damn
2015-12-30T20:36:44 < Sync> yeah it is amaze fat
2015-12-30T20:36:45 < ReadError> where do you get the 35% ?
2015-12-30T20:36:46 < Sync> +s
2015-12-30T20:36:54 < upgrdman_> ReadError, amazon.com
2015-12-30T20:36:56 < Sync> a home depot should have it
2015-12-30T20:37:08 < ReadError> Sync, really? h2o2 ?
2015-12-30T20:37:13 < Sync> or a big food retailer
2015-12-30T20:37:16 < Sync> yeah, why not?
2015-12-30T20:37:22 < Sync> it is used to oxygenate pools
2015-12-30T20:37:28 < ReadError> not seen it, but havent looked
2015-12-30T20:37:51 < upgrdman_> when i went to home depots and lowes, they said they didnt carry h2o2. but i think the people i talked to were dumb.
2015-12-30T20:38:12 < ReadError> prolly got flagged for cookin meth too
2015-12-30T20:38:20 < Sync> food retailers will sell it for desinfecting stuff
2015-12-30T20:38:24 < upgrdman_> and ya, the grocery store 3% h2o2 is weak as fuck. etches slower than FCl
2015-12-30T20:38:51 < Sync> yeah 3% is basically useless
2015-12-30T20:39:17 < upgrdman_> ReadError, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOwPPoiRBe4
2015-12-30T20:39:25 < upgrdman_> (that's not me)
2015-12-30T20:40:26 < kakimir> my smallest desing and first DRC run gives only one error
2015-12-30T20:40:29 < kakimir> just one
2015-12-30T20:40:37 < ReadError> hahah holy shit
2015-12-30T20:40:56 < ReadError> thats epic
2015-12-30T20:41:08 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-12-30T20:42:05 < kakimir> this never happens
2015-12-30T20:42:06 < upgrdman_> when i tried it i was not expecting it to go that quick. did this in my kitchen. seriously scared me. fucking violent reaction, chlorine gas smell...
2015-12-30T20:42:13 < Sync> the hazmat dump here are cocks tho
2015-12-30T20:42:29 < upgrdman_> but my pcb was etched super quick :)
2015-12-30T20:42:34 < ReadError> hmm not finding much on prime
2015-12-30T20:43:01 < kakimir> bubbles help to remove copper
2015-12-30T20:43:09 < ReadError> just teethwhitening stuff and like, other crap
2015-12-30T20:43:18 < upgrdman_> ReadError, i dont think most chemicals can ship prime (air)
2015-12-30T20:43:19 < kakimir> and acid of course helps too
2015-12-30T20:43:31 < upgrdman_> http://www.amazon.com/Certified-Hydrogen-Peroxide-Dropper-Bottle/dp/B00J0DAAVW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1451500973&sr=8-3&keywords=hydrogen+peroxide+35
2015-12-30T20:43:53 < upgrdman_> smaller is available too. 1 gallon is like lifetime supply
2015-12-30T20:44:22 < ReadError> need to get some legit isoprop too
2015-12-30T20:44:27 < ReadError> think mine is infected
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2015-12-30T20:46:48 < gordonjcp> I don't understand all this obsession with HCl and H2O2
2015-12-30T20:46:56 < gordonjcp> why not just use FeCl like a normal person?
2015-12-30T20:47:08 < upgrdman_> gordonjcp, FCl sucks for so many reasons
2015-12-30T20:47:28 < upgrdman_> its expensive. its slow. its ~opaque.
2015-12-30T20:47:44 < gordonjcp> it's not *that* expensive, I bought a 3 litre tub for 14 quid from RS
2015-12-30T20:47:52 < upgrdman_> and you have to agitate to keep a film from build up over the copper
2015-12-30T20:48:08 < gordonjcp> that's not exactly hard
2015-12-30T20:48:10 < upgrdman_> gordonjcp, for what it does and how long it lasts, its expensive.
2015-12-30T20:48:17 < gordonjcp> it lasts for ages
2015-12-30T20:48:28 < upgrdman_> sure, i'll give it that. nice shelf life.
2015-12-30T20:48:31 < Steffanx> No one does Sodium Persulfate? I like that more than FeCl for sure.
2015-12-30T20:48:37 < gordonjcp> it's also a hell of a lot safer to handle than hydrogen peroxide
2015-12-30T20:48:37 < upgrdman_> that maybe the ONLY good think about FCl
2015-12-30T20:48:42 < gordonjcp> Steffanx: not tried it
2015-12-30T20:48:51 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: it's messy if you spill it, I'll give you that
2015-12-30T20:48:59 < upgrdman_> Steffanx, i tried sodpersul. nice but slow as fuck unless you get it hot
2015-12-30T20:49:01 < gordonjcp> my bubble tank has a small leak which I need to fix
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2015-12-30T20:49:42 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: one of the deeply alarming things is the number of H2O2/HCl recipes that also tell you to wash the boards off with acetone
2015-12-30T20:49:58 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: depending on where you live and your skin tone that may not go down well
2015-12-30T20:50:06 < upgrdman_> gordonjcp, ya see you need a purpose made tank, or you need to hand agitate. i just use some old tupperware (that i no longer user for food)
2015-12-30T20:50:48 < upgrdman_> gordonjcp, what does skin tone have to do with it? and i never wash my boards with acetone. why would anyone need to or want to?
2015-12-30T20:51:26 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: yes, for small boards up to about the size of the palm of my hand I use a purpose-made tank
2015-12-30T20:51:46 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: I made it for the purpose out of a chinese food container, a pencil, and a couple of elastic bands
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2015-12-30T20:52:14 < upgrdman_> gordonjcp, i didnt mean professionally made tank :) just that you have to put effort into it.
2015-12-30T20:52:16 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: well HCl, acetone and hydrogen peroxide (and a bunch of other stuff) are the ingredients for TATP
2015-12-30T20:52:26 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: I do have a professionally made tank
2015-12-30T20:52:26 < upgrdman_> wtf is tatp
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2015-12-30T20:52:55 < gordonjcp> it's the stuff the "liquid bomber" was supposedly trying to make which is why we can't take our own bottles of whisky on the plane any more
2015-12-30T20:53:09 < upgrdman_> ah
2015-12-30T20:53:24 < gordonjcp> if you are in the US, even googling it will probably get you on the no-fly register
2015-12-30T20:53:34 < gordonjcp> if you're not in the US, googling it will probably ensure you stay that way
2015-12-30T20:53:47 < gordonjcp> sometimes called "the national molecule of Palestine"
2015-12-30T20:54:16 < upgrdman_> ya i'll just stick to etching pcbs
2015-12-30T20:54:41 < BrainDamage1> altough it'd be minute amounts
2015-12-30T20:54:50 < gordonjcp> anyway FeCl is easy and safe to work with
2015-12-30T20:54:58 < gordonjcp> if you spill it on your hands it'll turn your skin brown
2015-12-30T20:55:05 < gordonjcp> as opposed to turn your skin to mush
2015-12-30T20:55:23 < upgrdman_> how often do you spill chemicals?
2015-12-30T20:55:26 < BrainDamage1> that'd be less acceptable for some :p
2015-12-30T20:55:27 < gordonjcp> frequently
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2015-12-30T20:55:44 < upgrdman_> ok ya stay away from hcl h2o2 then
2015-12-30T20:55:50 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: I do probably half a dozen boards every weeekend
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2015-12-30T20:56:10 < upgrdman_> gordonjcp, wtf for? if you're doing that many, just have china fab them for you
2015-12-30T20:56:12 < gordonjcp> even just dripping etchant a bit when you pull them out is pretty much inevitable
2015-12-30T20:56:21 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: china is on the other side of the planet
2015-12-30T20:56:27 < gordonjcp> I need the boards right now
2015-12-30T20:56:37 < upgrdman_> idential boards every week?
2015-12-30T20:56:41 < gordonjcp> nope
2015-12-30T20:56:44 < gordonjcp> mostly different ones
2015-12-30T20:57:01 < gordonjcp> some people build on veroboard, I just draw it in kicad and etch up a PCB
2015-12-30T20:57:03 < upgrdman_> wtf do you need so many custom boards for
2015-12-30T20:57:17 < gordonjcp> sometimes I'll make a wee batch of boards all the same, if a bunch of folk want to build the same thing
2015-12-30T20:57:25 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: prototyping
2015-12-30T20:57:43 < upgrdman_> pix?
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2015-12-30T20:58:04 < ReadError> im etching some boards now
2015-12-30T20:58:18 < ReadError> nice to be able to have idea and usable in an hour
2015-12-30T20:58:25 < gordonjcp> ReadError: yup
2015-12-30T21:00:37 < ReadError> i got my mask and stuff from your guy upgrdman
2015-12-30T21:00:48 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: I'll rough out a board, modify it, bird's-nest modifications on it and stuff, then roll a fixed version
2015-12-30T21:00:51 < upgrdman_> lol. my guy. ok cool
2015-12-30T21:00:57 < ReadError> and some lye and some other stuff i cant remember which chemical it is
2015-12-30T21:01:19 < upgrdman_> lye is for the copper photomask
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2015-12-30T21:01:27 < ReadError> yea its the PH stuff
2015-12-30T21:01:34 < upgrdman_> and sodium carbonate or something like that for the soldermask
2015-12-30T21:01:45 < ReadError> ya that
2015-12-30T21:02:11 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: http://gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/boards.jpg <- previous revision, sitting in the "bits box"
2015-12-30T21:02:44 < upgrdman_> wtf. all through hole. waste of time to diy pcbs for 0.1" PTH
2015-12-30T21:02:52 < kakimir> cute glassy boards
2015-12-30T21:03:00 < gordonjcp> you can see the MCU board has had a few tweaks and there's almost nothing original left of the filter board
2015-12-30T21:03:11 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: what would you stick through-hole components on?
2015-12-30T21:03:35 < upgrdman_> breadboard pcb or equiv
2015-12-30T21:03:49 < gordonjcp> that's a pain in the arse to use
2015-12-30T21:03:49 < upgrdman_> so much faster, and fine for more apps
2015-12-30T21:04:03 < gordonjcp> you've got to link all the individual little pads
2015-12-30T21:04:11 < gordonjcp> stripboard won't work
2015-12-30T21:04:24 < ReadError> i just dont buy throughhole stuff anymore
2015-12-30T21:04:29 < ReadError> SMT is so much easier
2015-12-30T21:04:30 < upgrdman_> same here
2015-12-30T21:05:00 < upgrdman_> etch breakout boards -> using flying wires -> make real pcb if it turns out good
2015-12-30T21:05:04 < gordonjcp> ReadError: yeah
2015-12-30T21:05:08 < upgrdman_> no need to etch and drill from a bunch of PTH stuff
2015-12-30T21:05:20 < ReadError> i used like 7 1206-ghetto-jumpers on my board today
2015-12-30T21:05:31 < upgrdman_> like this: http://farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-09-27_Servo_Tester,_2.4GHz_Spectrum_Analyzer,_Tetris/pic3.jpg
2015-12-30T21:05:41 < upgrdman_> became this: http://farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-09-27_Servo_Tester,_2.4GHz_Spectrum_Analyzer,_Tetris/pic4.jpg
2015-12-30T21:05:52 < gordonjcp> nice
2015-12-30T21:06:09 < artag> how are you doing soldermask ?
2015-12-30T21:06:22 < upgrdman_> me?
2015-12-30T21:06:44 < upgrdman_> http://farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-01-17_DIY_PCBs_with_Solder_Mask/
2015-12-30T21:06:51 < artag> was you mentioned it I think
2015-12-30T21:07:24 < artag> oh, so it's similar to dry film etchant resist ?
2015-12-30T21:07:31 < upgrdman_> ya
2015-12-30T21:07:51 < upgrdman_> theres liquid stuff too (uv epoxy) but i never got consistant results with it
2015-12-30T21:07:54 < artag> will have to try that
2015-12-30T21:08:04 < ReadError> ya liquid is a PITA
2015-12-30T21:08:34 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: ooooo
2015-12-30T21:08:47 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: yeah, I think I need to buy some of that
2015-12-30T21:08:54 < ReadError> also i saw on ebay, you can get UV curable silk
2015-12-30T21:09:14 < ReadError> i can see myself causing a mess with that though
2015-12-30T21:09:31 < gordonjcp> ReadError: hah
2015-12-30T21:09:37 < upgrdman_> gordonjcp, keep in mind that doing solder mask takes more time the rest
2015-12-30T21:09:56 < upgrdman_> takes like 5 minutes to etch and tin plate. then an hour (mostly wait times) to solder mask
2015-12-30T21:10:02 < ReadError> yall use liquid tin?
2015-12-30T21:10:06 < upgrdman_> i do
2015-12-30T21:10:34 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: yeah, I can imagine
2015-12-30T21:11:15 < upgrdman_> i made a youtube video showing how i do it. of course, because i got it on video, i fucked it up and the mask only sorta kinda worked:
2015-12-30T21:11:24 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: obviously
2015-12-30T21:11:40 < upgrdman_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHNv0eOq7Rk
2015-12-30T21:12:15 < XTL> I should get etching, too
2015-12-30T21:12:44 < ReadError> i been meaning to order a stack of proto boards from china
2015-12-30T21:12:55 < ReadError> with a bunch of footprints on a 10x10cm
2015-12-30T21:12:56 < gordonjcp> XTL: it's easy enough
2015-12-30T21:13:01 < XTL> A lifetime supply of FeCl, some boards, laser printer and iron that worked before have been mocking me for long
2015-12-30T21:13:10 < XTL> I only got a few test boards done.
2015-12-30T21:13:13 < gordonjcp> if you're going to do press-n-peel get the real stuff
2015-12-30T21:13:15 < gordonjcp> it's expensive though
2015-12-30T21:13:27 < gordonjcp> and pretty soon, you'll be eyeing up UV kits
2015-12-30T21:13:30 < XTL> I should also get some dirtypcbs ordered just to test that. Also, two-side.
2015-12-30T21:13:40 < ReadError> UV is great
2015-12-30T21:13:45 < ReadError> toner transfer is miserable
2015-12-30T21:13:48 < upgrdman_> ya my blue pcb was from dirtypcbs
2015-12-30T21:13:54 < XTL> gordonjcp: A local shop carries pnp, I think. And our hackerspace might have access to uv.
2015-12-30T21:14:01 < upgrdman_> not bad for price, but ya... the registration is rather poor
2015-12-30T21:14:47 < XTL> But just getting some boards done would be step one. Then maybe start worrying about improving methods
2015-12-30T21:15:14 < gordonjcp> XTL: you can get okay results with the shiny paper technique
2015-12-30T21:15:28 < gordonjcp> but for the amount of faffing involved, just buy proper press-n-peel
2015-12-30T21:15:44 < XTL> Might be worth it, yes
2015-12-30T21:15:49 < gordonjcp> the good think about going UV is that once you print an acetate, that's it and it lasts forever
2015-12-30T21:15:54 < gordonjcp> *thing
2015-12-30T21:15:57  * gordonjcp -> pub
2015-12-30T21:20:21 < kakimir> upgrdman_: where did you pick up that stick module?
2015-12-30T21:20:31 < upgrdman_> what stick
2015-12-30T21:21:02 < kakimir> http://farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-01-17_DIY_PCBs_with_Solder_Mask/tx2.jpg
2015-12-30T21:21:20 < upgrdman_> oh i pulled it from a rc hobby radio
2015-12-30T21:21:21 < kakimir> just jewbay?
2015-12-30T21:21:27 < kakimir> okay
2015-12-30T21:22:43 < upgrdman_> 350MHz sine wave, or 350MHz square with sharp edges?
2015-12-30T21:23:34 < upgrdman_> wake me up when an ARB can bit bang 802.11ac :)
2015-12-30T21:26:00 < upgrdman_> ya so how many people need 14bit 1GSPS function generator? that's probably why. small market. not like ardutards are going to buy them.
2015-12-30T21:26:39 < kakimir> it there thing such as purfect 350mhz squarewave
2015-12-30T21:26:41 < upgrdman_> not individuals
2015-12-30T21:26:47 < upgrdman_> companies, sure of course
2015-12-30T21:26:55 < upgrdman_> but hobbyists... not so many
2015-12-30T21:26:57 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-qXnPG88/0/X2/CA_12301514254650-X2.jpg
2015-12-30T21:26:59 < upgrdman_> not many
2015-12-30T21:27:27 < upgrdman_> ReadError, whats it do
2015-12-30T21:27:38 < ReadError> 16 channel logiclevel converter
2015-12-30T21:28:30 < upgrdman_> R2COM, ok well you design some fpga + r2r dac + analog buffer for $50 and sell them to us
2015-12-30T21:28:59 < upgrdman_> hehe. SERDES to an r2r dac
2015-12-30T21:29:58 < upgrdman_> the rigol thing? i'd like to have it, but have ~no need for it yet
2015-12-30T21:30:11 < upgrdman_> i wouldnt mind a 100MHz model for like $200
2015-12-30T21:30:26 < upgrdman_> maybe $300 if the software was good
2015-12-30T21:30:29 < Steffanx> is that a bridge left, 2 from bottom ReadError?
2015-12-30T21:30:34 < Steffanx> *2nd
2015-12-30T21:31:06 < upgrdman_> bbl
2015-12-30T21:31:08 < ReadError> Steffanx, ya probably
2015-12-30T21:31:16 < ReadError> xacto will fix
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2015-12-30T22:14:19 < upgrdman_> R2COM, anyway so whats a 100MHz func gen worth?
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2015-12-30T22:21:55 < Getty> yeah! Hart to Hart! :D
2015-12-30T22:27:48 < Getty> using tab is gay
2015-12-30T22:28:21 < Getty> next thing you do is using autocorrect in the chat window
2015-12-30T22:33:42 < upgrdman_> R2COM, sometimes im logged in at home and at work
2015-12-30T22:33:56 < upgrdman_> would you prefer something else?
2015-12-30T22:34:14 < upgrdman_> upgrdman and downgrdman?
2015-12-30T22:36:00 < upgrdman_> r3com?
2015-12-30T22:38:46 < upgrdman_> lol
2015-12-30T22:38:51 < upgrdman_> upgrdboy?
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2015-12-30T22:39:42 < upgrdman_> shits it's probably faster for your ass to just tab-tab anyway.
2015-12-30T22:41:11 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35111707
2015-12-30T22:41:15 < Laurenceb_> lolling big time
2015-12-30T22:41:18 < Laurenceb_> Ben Garrisob
2015-12-30T22:44:30 < ReadError> i dont get it?
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2015-12-30T22:45:32 < Laurenceb_> http://www.grrrgraphics.com/images/european_vacation_ben_garrison.jpg
2015-12-30T22:46:07 < ReadError> oh this is shit only channers know/care about
2015-12-30T22:47:08 < Laurenceb_> yup
2015-12-30T22:47:15 < Steffanx> More were only europeans care about.
2015-12-30T22:47:27 < Laurenceb_> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/ben-garrison
2015-12-30T22:47:37 < Sync> http://www.supermarktcheck.de/img/product/picture/large_c905963b7915b4c3156100360a8c777f.jpg nomnom
2015-12-30T22:48:16 < Laurenceb_> hahaha
2015-12-30T22:49:12 < Sync> Laurenceb_: they actually taste good
2015-12-30T22:50:43 < Sync> http://status.pyongyanghackerspace.org/ Laurenceb_
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2015-12-30T22:51:22 < Laurenceb_> lulwtf
2015-12-30T22:53:28 < Sync> some people actually got mad because they did not get the joke
2015-12-30T22:56:29 < ReadError> http://pyongyang-hackerspace.tumblr.com/post/131790095313/we-are-finally-able-to-produce-our-diy-circuit
2015-12-30T22:56:36 < ReadError> for upgrdman
2015-12-30T22:57:47 < Laurenceb_> oh its a troll
2015-12-30T22:57:53 < Laurenceb_> I am dissapoint
2015-12-30T22:58:02 < Sync> well
2015-12-30T22:58:22 < Sync> we actually now have someone taking the flag with the logo with him to the DPRK
2015-12-30T22:58:34 < Sync> he works in the special administrative district
2015-12-30T22:58:40 < Sync> and wants to see how far he can push things
2015-12-30T22:59:02 < upgrdman_> ReadError, i still smile every time i see the photo of kim smiling at the barrel of grease or whatever gel
2015-12-30T22:59:48 < Laurenceb_> http://www.grrrgraphics.com/images/capitalist_pyramid_ben_garrison.jpg
2015-12-30T23:00:15 < upgrdman_> that ben guy is totally unfunny
2015-12-30T23:00:29 < upgrdman_> he should draw cats instead. or ponies.
2015-12-30T23:01:00 < ReadError> upgrdman i miss the "tell me about this cake" series
2015-12-30T23:04:11 < ReadError> http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM
2015-12-30T23:04:14 < ReadError> ermmmmmmmmmm
2015-12-30T23:04:35 < ReadError> https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html
2015-12-30T23:04:40 < ReadError> too stoned to figure this out
2015-12-30T23:07:03 < Rob235> bahhh i love logic analyzers.. found my problem, now I just gotta see whats causing it
2015-12-30T23:13:04 < upgrdman_> any of your fuckers used altidongs for fgpa shit? is it worth playing with? can it sim too
2015-12-30T23:14:15 < Rob235> how do you send multiple bytes at once with i2c? how do acks work there
2015-12-30T23:15:47 < upgrdman_> Rob235, some shit code, but heres one way: https://github.com/farrellf/Servo_Tester/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_i2c.c#L36
2015-12-30T23:15:56 < Rob235> thanks
2015-12-30T23:16:53 < upgrdman_> sure
2015-12-30T23:18:26 < karlp> upgrdman_: only reason you think mm/dd/yyy is better is because you're used to, "knowing the day before the month" is just an elaborate self deception
2015-12-30T23:22:24 < upgrdman_> karlp, not true
2015-12-30T23:22:36 < upgrdman_> im used to inches and feet, but perfer mm cm and m
2015-12-30T23:22:56 < GargantuaSauce> the gregorian calendar sucks anyway, month/date order is like the least arbitrary part of it
2015-12-30T23:22:58 < upgrdman_> specifing the day before the month is just awkward
2015-12-30T23:23:42 < upgrdman_> lol. who the fuck thought it'd be a good idea to make highlighters shaped like a syringe. http://www.amazon.com/Tinksky-Novelty-Highlighter-Fluorescent-Different/dp/B00RL52WA8/ref=sr_1_25?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1451510503&sr=1-25&keywords=highlighters
2015-12-30T23:23:57 < upgrdman_> must be for drug addict parents that want to hook their kids too or someshit
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2015-12-30T23:25:34 < karlp> how is h2o2 dangerous but lye isn't ?! you guys are weirdos ;)
2015-12-30T23:25:45 < upgrdman_> they all are
2015-12-30T23:25:55 < upgrdman_> and who was afraid of h2o2?
2015-12-30T23:26:02 < upgrdman_> not me. but mix it with hcl...
2015-12-30T23:26:12 < upgrdman_> (and copper pcb)
2015-12-30T23:26:26 < GargantuaSauce> uh peroxide is pretty dangerous in high concentrations
2015-12-30T23:26:32 < GargantuaSauce> not the 5% drugstore stuff though
2015-12-30T23:26:36 < upgrdman_> i know. rocket fuel.
2015-12-30T23:26:49 < GargantuaSauce> well and slowly decomposing into oxygen also
2015-12-30T23:31:04 < Rob235> bahaha got it working, stupid mistake
2015-12-30T23:31:19 < upgrdman_> R2COM, lol
2015-12-30T23:36:43 < karlp> (for fun, I normally write dd-mmm-yyyy to make sure no-one ever fucks up, eg, "29 dec 2015" or similar
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2015-12-30T23:37:08 < upgrdman_> for anything important i do the iso yyyy-mm-dd
2015-12-30T23:37:24 < upgrdman_> i think japs do that too
2015-12-30T23:37:38 < karlp> I do that for files, but dd-something-yyyy for written
2015-12-30T23:37:45 < upgrdman_> k
2015-12-30T23:38:12 < karlp> (your logic is still bustedz0r, what's the poitn in knowing the month before the date, maybe it's this month and you need to know sooner!)
2015-12-30T23:38:42 < karlp> anyone had any problems not being able to submit forms on github recently?  I've got things like, "Blocked form submission to xxx ecause the form's frame is sandboxed and the 'allow-forms' permission is not set."
2015-12-30T23:38:58 < upgrdman_> most of the time when i need to know a date, theres a good change it wont occur this month.
2015-12-30T23:39:07 < upgrdman_> so starting with the month makes more sense to me
2015-12-30T23:39:39 < upgrdman_> for things that will happen soon, sure, just say the day. and only the day.
2015-12-30T23:39:45 < upgrdman_> "on the 5th"
2015-12-30T23:39:46 < rewolff> upgrdman_: tip: Put a female connector on the headers while you solder them.
2015-12-30T23:40:05 < upgrdman_> rewolff, ? wtf for. im not melting them.
2015-12-30T23:41:14 < karlp> upgrdman_: what about things like, "next monday" :)
2015-12-30T23:41:28 < upgrdman_> thats fine too
2015-12-30T23:41:35 < PeterM> FUKKEN ISO8601
2015-12-30T23:42:38 < upgrdman_> :)
2015-12-30T23:45:40 < PeterM> you wouldnt write the time as MM:SS:HH, so why would you write the date MM-DD-YYYY?
2015-12-30T23:46:51 < upgrdman_> same thing. hour is usually the most important part. few things i need to know about will be finish in < 1 hour
2015-12-30T23:47:36 < PeterM> so you write it in direct order of important, HH:MM:SS, just like YYYY-MM-DD
2015-12-30T23:47:44 < upgrdman_> yes
2015-12-30T23:47:52 < upgrdman_> and i said earlier, i prefer yyyy-mm-dd
2015-12-30T23:49:20 < upgrdman_> but dd-mm-yyyy is totally fucking retarded.
2015-12-30T23:49:25  * karlp laughs
2015-12-30T23:50:19 < rewolff> upgrdman_ : I thought I saw you put one pin "back in place", which doesn't always work. the "insurance" is easier. :-) Anyway, that's what I do when I don't forget.
2015-12-30T23:50:28 < upgrdman_> metric is cool. si units are cool. functioning public transit is cool. but european dates are fucking retarded.
2015-12-30T23:50:47 < upgrdman_> rewolff, oh hmm i might have. oh well. :)
2015-12-30T23:55:58 < Steffanx> I can no longer take you seriously upgrdman_
2015-12-30T23:57:01  * karlp hi5s Steffanx 
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2015-12-30T23:58:07 < upgrdman_> Steffanx, lol ok
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2015-12-31T00:02:06 < celeron55> i don't really want to drag this further, but i believe the reason why in this country we write dates as "dd.mm.yyyy" is because that is the order we say them in (and we say every part as a number, as-is)
2015-12-31T00:03:06 < englishman> i also speak in binary
2015-12-31T00:03:14 < celeron55> and the format of writing them obviously has been decided before computers decided to sort everything non-semanticaclly
2015-12-31T00:03:28 < celeron55> -c
2015-12-31T00:03:44 < englishman> yyyy-mm-dd or death
2015-12-31T00:03:53 < englishman> or mild confusion
2015-12-31T00:03:55 < englishman> or whatever
2015-12-31T00:04:24 < celeron55> personally i use yyyy-mm-dd like any programmer type of person would
2015-12-31T00:10:15 < englishman> wat
2015-12-31T00:10:21 < englishman> tomorrow is when you buy beer
2015-12-31T00:10:22 < englishman> not today
2015-12-31T00:11:02 < englishman> haha
2015-12-31T00:12:32 < englishman> im always amazed how non secular the usa govt is
2015-12-31T00:12:43 < englishman> like, i couldnt buy beer on sunday in south carolina
2015-12-31T00:12:52 < englishman> but gas was 1.8 / gallon
2015-12-31T00:12:58 < englishman> crazy fantasy land
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2015-12-31T00:28:40 < kakimir> gas is 1.8eur a litre
2015-12-31T00:29:11 < kakimir> or was
2015-12-31T00:29:55 < kakimir> that was crazy time
2015-12-31T00:40:49 < Steffanx> it still is 1.4 euro/litre here. :(
2015-12-31T00:41:31 < rewolff> Was closer to 1.8 a few years ago. it's come down a bit the last few years.
2015-12-31T00:41:45 < upgrdman_> englishman, ya that stupidity is mostly in the south and it "leaks" to surrounding areas. there still come "dry counties" too
2015-12-31T00:42:06 < upgrdman_> s/come/some
2015-12-31T00:42:31 < upgrdman_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_county
2015-12-31T00:42:39 < upgrdman_> neat map on that page
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2015-12-31T00:50:48 < kakimir> I had a beer and I don't remember where did the beer go
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2015-12-31T00:51:00 < karlp> wat, irssi segfaulted!
2015-12-31T00:51:15 < kakimir> there is just an empty can
2015-12-31T00:51:27 < kakimir> karlp: did you run out of memmory?
2015-12-31T00:52:02 < karlp> no clue, don't think I've ever had it segfault before
2015-12-31T00:52:45 < kakimir> irssi never fails
2015-12-31T00:55:45 < kakimir> I don't remember a single occasion
2015-12-31T01:03:13 < aandrew> wow that is pretty incredible
2015-12-31T01:03:22 < aandrew> I'd let memtest86 run overnight on the box
2015-12-31T01:03:38 < karlp> cloud VPS, fuck that
2015-12-31T01:03:48 < aandrew> karlp: ah
2015-12-31T01:05:54 < kakimir> karlp: you have plain installation without external components to it?
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2015-12-31T01:12:33 < upgrdman_> why is it so quiet in here :/
2015-12-31T01:13:04 < Steffanx> dongs is asleep
2015-12-31T01:14:13 < upgrdman_> i guess i need to start insulting more european traditions to get people riled up
2015-12-31T01:16:40 < kakimir> everybodi died
2015-12-31T01:16:52 < Steffanx> awh
2015-12-31T01:17:16 < karlp> kakimir: plain irssi? it may have been a bustage in a hipchat plugin, no idea
2015-12-31T01:18:20 < kakimir> I don't know.. out-of-box irssi?
2015-12-31T01:21:58 < karlp> hehe, arduino changelog: "* Limit of possible new sketches in a day raised to 676."
2015-12-31T01:22:08 < karlp> a) why was there a limit?! b) why is there _still_ a limit?!
2015-12-31T01:23:02 < upgrdman_> maybe they use a struct with 676 pointers for there Recent Project list
2015-12-31T01:23:16 < rewolff> 676 = 26*26. They now have 2 characters as a serial number for sketch-of-the-day?
2015-12-31T01:23:43 < kakimir> what is sketch?
2015-12-31T01:23:56 < upgrdman_> the arduino name for firmware project
2015-12-31T01:24:03 < kakimir> hmm
2015-12-31T01:24:10 < upgrdman_> kinda like how AOL called a username a screenname
2015-12-31T01:24:38 < upgrdman_> "sketch" is more playful
2015-12-31T01:24:50 < upgrdman_> so mouth breathers like it
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2015-12-31T01:29:24 < kakimir> should my general amplifier board have integrated filters to it
2015-12-31T01:29:29 < kakimir> in inputs
2015-12-31T01:29:58 < kakimir> and should low-pass RC do
2015-12-31T01:30:24 < kakimir> they said I need different aplhabet type filters to it
2015-12-31T01:32:54 < kakimir> to make it truegeneral
2015-12-31T01:33:58 < kakimir> how is mains filtering done?
2015-12-31T01:34:15 < kakimir> some stuff have both 50 and 60hz filtered at the same time
2015-12-31T01:34:43 < Steffanx> beaky is that you?
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2015-12-31T01:41:42 < kakimir> I try not to be
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2015-12-31T01:52:18 < upgrdman> beaky confirmed
2015-12-31T01:56:54 < kakimir> this is..
2015-12-31T01:57:03 < kakimir> harasment
2015-12-31T01:57:24 < kakimir> you will pay
2015-12-31T01:58:00 < upgrdman> do you take btc
2015-12-31T02:00:01 < kakimir> can be arranged
2015-12-31T02:01:32 < kakimir> beakyness seems to be like assburger
2015-12-31T02:01:53 < kakimir> but own kind of
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2015-12-31T02:16:05 < upgrdman> kakimir, is this you?  http://i.imgur.com/JBNQ6MX.gifv
2015-12-31T02:19:38 < kakimir> living on the edge?
2015-12-31T02:20:32 < kakimir> wearing red dress
2015-12-31T02:20:34 < kakimir> yes
2015-12-31T02:22:56 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/RnqbkUk.gifv
2015-12-31T02:23:20 < upgrdman> the ending :)
2015-12-31T02:25:48 < upgrdman> dayyyyyaaammm http://gfycat.com/MiserableSparseFawn
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2015-12-31T02:34:34 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/Man-dies-after-air-fills-his-body-through-rectum-at-puncture-shop-in-Kota/articleshow/50285252.cms
2015-12-31T02:35:38 < kakimir> http://i.imgur.com/mtJscoR.png
2015-12-31T02:36:29 < kakimir> there is stories of russian army
2015-12-31T02:38:07 < kakimir> that when not drinking vodka they did stupid things
2015-12-31T02:39:08 < kakimir> so there was some apathic lazy ass
2015-12-31T02:39:29 < kakimir> sleeping or whatever
2015-12-31T02:39:58 < kakimir> so they stuffed air pressure hose to his ass and opened the valve
2015-12-31T02:43:08 < kakimir> and problem was solved
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2015-12-31T02:54:15 < upgrdman> YES  https://youtu.be/9Xpb7F7bAsM?t=82
2015-12-31T02:56:02 < Steffanx> ok...
2015-12-31T02:56:59 < Steffanx> was it your sister ?
2015-12-31T02:57:26 < kakimir> so murican
2015-12-31T02:57:42 < kakimir> apparently pig was lured to water with something
2015-12-31T02:57:46 < upgrdman> so original. :)
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2015-12-31T02:58:24 < kakimir> for amusement
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2015-12-31T03:46:34 < upgrdman> dongs, http://imgur.com/a/tI8ex
2015-12-31T03:46:43 < upgrdman> also R2COM ^
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2015-12-31T04:01:17 < dongs> Ian Murdock has been dead for three years, due to Debian's release cycle we found out now.
2015-12-31T04:01:37 < upgrdman> lol  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXef-yGWQAA5uKd.png:large
2015-12-31T04:02:39 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXg2LNKUMAAWKlv.jpg
2015-12-31T04:02:40 < Getty> dongs: thats dark.... but good ;)
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2015-12-31T04:10:58 < upgrdman> dongs, was ian posting weird shit in titter for a while, or just like a day or two?
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2015-12-31T04:16:50 < dongs> upgrdman: last 24h or something.
2015-12-31T04:16:52 < dongs> wahtever it is, gone now
2015-12-31T04:17:06 < dongs> https://archive.is/4a138 see if you find anything of value, i cba
2015-12-31T04:18:04 < upgrdman> wonder if he had legit metal health issues
2015-12-31T04:18:11 < upgrdman> like if he was "off his meds"
2015-12-31T04:18:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/JvHmMo1.png looks like he wasnt exactly a first class citizen
2015-12-31T04:18:25 < dongs> er model citizen? or wahtever you call that
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2015-12-31T04:18:58 < dongs> of course a lunix developer would be publically intoxicated
2015-12-31T04:19:03 < dongs> fucking garbage
2015-12-31T04:20:37 < upgrdman> how else will they put up with lunix? need something to take the edge off.
2015-12-31T04:30:23 < Getty> upgrdman: just to make it clear, given what he was going through with the police, it would be irrelevant if he was on meds or not, it was enough reasoning for an psychological instable person to kill themself
2015-12-31T04:30:47 < upgrdman> what was he going through with the police?
2015-12-31T04:30:56 < Getty> seeing the only power that can protect them from the harsh world being the one that actually beats him up
2015-12-31T04:31:02 < Getty> he was put into hospital by the police
2015-12-31T04:31:10 < Getty> for knocking at his neighbours door
2015-12-31T04:31:18 < Getty> the regular police brutality happening every day
2015-12-31T04:31:21 < Getty> now it hits a celebrity
2015-12-31T04:31:29 < upgrdman> why did he knock his neighbors door?
2015-12-31T04:31:52 < Getty> to get sugar? to ask for help?
2015-12-31T04:32:00 < Getty> i dont know
2015-12-31T04:32:07 < upgrdman> i means theres probably a lot more to the story
2015-12-31T04:32:14 < Getty> <facepalm>
2015-12-31T04:32:16 < Getty> the denial is strong ;)
2015-12-31T04:32:21 < upgrdman> "my neighbor knocked on my door, so i called the cops" ...
2015-12-31T04:32:41 < upgrdman> theres more to it
2015-12-31T04:32:51 < Getty> yeah if you think so
2015-12-31T04:32:56 < upgrdman> im not taking sides
2015-12-31T04:33:05 < Getty> a guy gets punched by the police for not having a leash on his puppy
2015-12-31T04:33:07 < upgrdman> cops can be 100% ass holes
2015-12-31T04:33:15 < Getty> another police officer sends his dog at a 18 month year old girl
2015-12-31T04:33:19 < upgrdman> but so can normal people
2015-12-31T04:33:25 < Getty> this is what beside the case of him happened
2015-12-31T04:33:27 < Getty> yeah sure you dont get it ;)
2015-12-31T04:33:40 < Getty> cops in america are a malfunction system that is 100% broken
2015-12-31T04:33:53 < Getty> an asshole cop in civilized countries normally gets convicted and not put on holiday
2015-12-31T04:33:53 < upgrdman> have you been to america?
2015-12-31T04:33:56 < Getty> yes
2015-12-31T04:34:02 < Getty> and the first thing everyone told me is to stay away from cops
2015-12-31T04:34:04 < upgrdman> have you dealy with the cops?
2015-12-31T04:34:10 < upgrdman> dealt
2015-12-31T04:34:15 < Getty> dude, i just need the cases that happened
2015-12-31T04:34:21 < Getty> and if ONE of those cases would happen in germany
2015-12-31T04:34:24 < Getty> we would have a RAGE
2015-12-31T04:34:28 < Getty> and oyu hve them DAILY
2015-12-31T04:34:30 < Getty> SEVERAL
2015-12-31T04:34:31 < Getty> DAILY
2015-12-31T04:34:34 < Getty> WITH VIDEO
2015-12-31T04:34:45 < upgrdman> ya but not in 4k :(
2015-12-31T04:34:48 < Getty> i dont know, the protocol is wrong, the handling is wrong, and noone gets convicted
2015-12-31T04:35:09 < Getty> it is a brutal idiot system and has nothing todo with the general concept of cops, its specific US, and specific leads to the case that happened
2015-12-31T04:35:25 < Getty> we had other victims of police brutality (mothers of innocent killed children) who killed themself
2015-12-31T04:35:44 < Getty> its huge, and its unbelievable that this still goes on and everybody closes their eyes like you
2015-12-31T04:35:58 < Getty> "oh there must be more to the story", no, cops were assholes as usual, they are NOT there to protect you
2015-12-31T04:37:17 < Getty> when a white guy (who earns millions) in a rich neighbour gets in contact with his neighbour and given he has no weapons, that cant end with someone getting beaten up, never ever
2015-12-31T04:37:23 < Getty> and it doesnt in civilized countries
2015-12-31T04:37:50 < upgrdman> why are you so confident in what happened?
2015-12-31T04:37:52 < Getty> the neighbours beating each other up ;) probably ;) but not beating up by cops
2015-12-31T04:38:03 < Getty> cause i am informing myself about all the cases, and it totally fits
2015-12-31T04:38:16 < Getty> i dont see a reason to think there is a huge illegal activity behind all that, why should i?
2015-12-31T04:38:33 < Getty> cops regulary beat up people they dont understand, especially mentally ill people are prefered targets
2015-12-31T04:38:48 < Getty> i dont see anything to assume Ian Murdock was up for a crime, why should he
2015-12-31T04:38:55 < Getty> and the police didnt made a statement, just to say
2015-12-31T04:39:02 < Getty> there is no paper for anything
2015-12-31T04:39:09 < Getty> do you think Ian Murdock made it up and killed himself for the fun?
2015-12-31T04:39:15 < dongs> lol.
2015-12-31T04:39:34 < Getty> best cover for a story ever
2015-12-31T04:39:45 < dongs> he killed himself because systemd
2015-12-31T04:39:48 < dongs> thats obvious
2015-12-31T04:39:52 < Getty> lol
2015-12-31T04:40:02 < upgrdman> im saying people who form strong opinions about a specfic event they know little about... sound like idiots.
2015-12-31T04:40:58 < Getty> well the situation is pretty obvious
2015-12-31T04:41:09 < Getty> you must add up very unlikely things to change its interpretation
2015-12-31T04:41:26 < dongs> how is it obvious?
2015-12-31T04:41:31 < upgrdman> i dont form strong opinions are things i know little of
2015-12-31T04:41:34 < dongs> as shit as america is
2015-12-31T04:41:35 < Getty> introvert person with for sure mental problems get in first brutal contact with cops, kills himself, totally expected
2015-12-31T04:41:41 < upgrdman> (unless im trolling)
2015-12-31T04:41:43 < dongs> you dont call cops when a neighbor knocks on your door
2015-12-31T04:41:55 < Getty> the cops were probably not even coming cause of a call
2015-12-31T04:42:02 < Getty> i doubt he knocked 20 minutes on the door and waited for the cops
2015-12-31T04:42:10 < Getty> while the neighbour called them => unlikely
2015-12-31T04:42:12 < dongs> too many "probablys"
2015-12-31T04:42:20 < Getty> it makes all clear sense
2015-12-31T04:42:23 < dongs> not to me
2015-12-31T04:42:34 < dongs> what does make sense is this is another nail in the coffin for lunix
2015-12-31T04:42:40 < Getty> well then you are probably bad in getting into the mindset of that person
2015-12-31T04:42:49 < Getty> it isnt
2015-12-31T04:42:52 < dongs> all i see from internet is
2015-12-31T04:42:58 < Getty> debian is beaurucracy, you cant kill it
2015-12-31T04:43:00 < dongs> 1) he had a history of domestic abuse
2015-12-31T04:43:02 < dongs> 2) he's an alchoholic
2015-12-31T04:43:03 < Getty> that was already tried by someone else
2015-12-31T04:43:07 < dongs> 3) happens to be a lunix developer
2015-12-31T04:43:10 < dongs> sooooooooooooooo.
2015-12-31T04:43:18 < Getty> yeah and reiser killed his wife
2015-12-31T04:43:26 < dongs> see, now you're getitng it
2015-12-31T04:43:42 < Getty> IF there would be anything proving your story
2015-12-31T04:43:45 < Getty> then there must be a police report
2015-12-31T04:43:57 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/JvHmMo1.png
2015-12-31T04:43:57 < dongs> 2009
2015-12-31T04:44:01 < Getty> all "alternative" stories involve that there must be some complain
2015-12-31T04:44:03 < Getty> no i mean for that day
2015-12-31T04:44:06 < dongs> shrug
2015-12-31T04:44:09 < Getty> speific for the day he was beaten up
2015-12-31T04:44:13 < dongs> there will be
2015-12-31T04:44:13 < Getty> if there was no report
2015-12-31T04:44:27 < Getty> then no story makes sense beside the one of cops randomly managing the situation again with fists instead of words
2015-12-31T04:44:46 < Getty> so far no feedback, there is already a huge wave of people trying to get the informations
2015-12-31T04:45:29 < Getty> the questions might come up, or not, depending on who is responsible, could go down as psy problem again and noone cares
2015-12-31T04:45:40 < Getty> we dont know
2015-12-31T04:45:43 < upgrdman> dongs, damn we have 3 beakys here now. wtf.
2015-12-31T04:47:18 < Getty> btw about the battery stuff i can tell a funny story
2015-12-31T04:47:50 < Getty> at some conference there was one of the "famous guys" coming with a girlfriend who was actually outside of the conference topic famous for being like in the feminism direction.... yeah the bad one
2015-12-31T04:48:10 < Getty> and they were like going around the conference acting like the protector of all females of the world
2015-12-31T04:48:45 < Getty> shortly after the conference, a charge on that guy was going through the internet, battery against his girlfriend............
2015-12-31T04:48:57 < Getty> it was impossible not to laugh
2015-12-31T04:50:00 < Getty> the funny part i find here is even in both cases, if its true, its funny cause then this female defender cant contain himself against his own girl already
2015-12-31T04:50:21 < Getty> if its a lie made up by her to "teach him a lesson", then he deserves it for going around with a crazy bitch like her ;)
2015-12-31T04:50:30 < dongs> zzzz
2015-12-31T04:50:38 < dongs> getty, you should shut up
2015-12-31T04:50:45 < dongs> before I stab you over the internet
2015-12-31T04:50:48 < Getty> try it!
2015-12-31T04:51:42 < Getty> i must sleep anyway..... but for the sake of.... https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut ;)
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2015-12-31T05:12:20 < kakimir> some open source magician has died how?
2015-12-31T05:12:54 < dongs> suicide by drinking open source
2015-12-31T05:13:36 < kakimir> suicide by open bottle
2015-12-31T05:17:33 < ReadError> dongs
2015-12-31T05:17:34 < ReadError>  http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM
2015-12-31T05:18:35 < ReadError> Ian Murdock ‏@imurdock
2015-12-31T05:18:35 < ReadError> @NAACP Please contact me. I'm white, rich, and they did the same thing they've done to the blacks. imurdock@imurdock.com
2015-12-31T05:18:36 < ReadError> lol
2015-12-31T05:19:15 < dongs> lol
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2015-12-31T05:22:35 < ReadError> http://archive.is/OPlI7
2015-12-31T05:23:06 < kakimir> hah too much murica
2015-12-31T05:23:39 < kakimir> he choked on his freedom?
2015-12-31T05:23:43 < dongs> yes
2015-12-31T05:24:37 < ReadError> someone should have told him to check his privilege
2015-12-31T05:26:11 < kakimir> did he really die or is he "in progress" ?
2015-12-31T05:28:05 < ReadError> damn there is a lot of tweets its missing
2015-12-31T05:28:10 < ReadError> 'I am a white male, make a lot money, pay a lot of money in taxes, and yet their abuse is equally doned out. DO NOT CROSS THEM!'
2015-12-31T05:34:12 < kakimir> what is he saying
2015-12-31T05:34:33 < ReadError> tl;dr
2015-12-31T05:34:43 < ReadError> he fucked up, police didnt treat him right apparently
2015-12-31T05:34:54 < ReadError> got butthurt
2015-12-31T05:34:57 < ReadError> killed himself
2015-12-31T05:35:03 < kakimir> :D
2015-12-31T05:36:01 < kakimir> can you imagine angry lunix nerd being so angry that he commits suicide to make a point
2015-12-31T05:36:15 < upgrdman> rms maybe
2015-12-31T05:37:28 < kakimir> rms?
2015-12-31T05:37:34 < kakimir> stallman?
2015-12-31T05:37:35 < ReadError> oh dear
2015-12-31T05:37:50 < upgrdman> yes
2015-12-31T05:37:53 < ReadError> http://i50.tinypic.com/2621doi.jpg
2015-12-31T05:37:55 < ReadError> this guy
2015-12-31T05:37:55 < upgrdman> stalin
2015-12-31T05:38:50 < englishman> his wiki page doesn't mention criminal history
2015-12-31T05:38:56 < englishman> needs to be updated
2015-12-31T05:39:34 < kakimir> how he was treated wrong?
2015-12-31T05:40:14 < ReadError> i think ur missing the point
2015-12-31T05:42:04 < upgrdman> kakimir, why did you do this     http://i.imgur.com/IXMxoN8.jpg
2015-12-31T05:42:15 < upgrdman> nsfw btw
2015-12-31T05:45:18 < kakimir> rekt
2015-12-31T05:53:07 < dongs> heh
2015-12-31T05:53:15 < dongs> symantec is offering to give me a free cert with s ha256
2015-12-31T05:53:25 < dongs> to update my sha1 codesigning cert
2015-12-31T05:54:14 < dongs> Starting on Jan. 1, 2017, all SHA-1 signed files will be blocked on Windows 7 and above, regardless of when they were time-stamped.
2015-12-31T05:54:17 < dongs> hm crap
2015-12-31T05:59:03 < kakimir> hmm
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2015-12-31T05:59:28 < kakimir> is there some serious shit going down in next year dongs?
2015-12-31T06:00:21 < dongs> nope
2015-12-31T06:00:27 < dongs> just more windows on desktop successes
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2015-12-31T06:01:18 < GargantuaSauce> http://xn--d-bga.su/nps.jpg
2015-12-31T06:01:39 < ReadError> lol
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2015-12-31T06:09:48 < kakimir> dongs: nothing like war or economic crash?
2015-12-31T06:13:57 < kakimir> somebody has been rocking the boat... for what purpose
2015-12-31T06:15:00 < kakimir> or is it just a struggle without too much meaning to it
2015-12-31T06:15:24 < ReadError> kakimir so cryptic
2015-12-31T06:19:03 < kakimir> and now it's quite silent
2015-12-31T06:31:19 < kakimir> and it doesnt mean nothing is happening
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2015-12-31T06:35:53 < kakimir> I'm looking for this dystopic future where rich/poor conflict combines with machine singularity, monetary crisis, resource depletion and all that
2015-12-31T06:40:15 < dongs> ball diagram
2015-12-31T06:41:35 < PeterM> 0oO ?
2015-12-31T06:42:07 < dongs> open office org?
2015-12-31T06:42:54 < Rob235> oops, occupied orifice.
2015-12-31T06:42:56 < PeterM> fuck that shit
2015-12-31T06:43:25 < PeterM> i'd prefer chinaspyware to OpenOrifice
2015-12-31T06:43:55 < kakimir> china wants to read your porn novels
2015-12-31T06:44:22 < kakimir> nite>
2015-12-31T06:44:37 < PeterM> by beaky
2015-12-31T06:44:54 < PeterM> bye even
2015-12-31T06:45:36 < ReadError> lol buy a random 8gb dimm of ddr3, get this
2015-12-31T06:45:39 < ReadError> Additional information on this offer can be found here.
2015-12-31T06:45:39 < ReadError> As a customer who has purchased a qualifying product, you have earned a promotional credit valid towards the purchase of a digital HD copy of Kung Fu Panda on Amazon Video. This credit covers the full cost of this item.
2015-12-31T06:46:01 < PeterM> wut
2015-12-31T06:46:05 < upgrdman> must be some correlation between dd3 and shitty movie
2015-12-31T06:46:25 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006YG8X9Y?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
2015-12-31T06:46:30 < ReadError> doesnt say anything about it there
2015-12-31T06:47:33 < PeterM> thats like "you have bought "24 Can box of Mt Dew" this qualifies you for our excellent offer on "2Hard 2Fast - an erotic adventure". this offer covers the full cost of this item."
2015-12-31T06:48:31 < ReadError> what i dont get
2015-12-31T06:48:40 < ReadError> why hasnt anyone made a desktop email client worth a shit
2015-12-31T06:48:46 < ReadError> its damn near 2016
2015-12-31T06:48:47 < PeterM> they have
2015-12-31T06:48:54 < ReadError> you have outlook or thunderbird
2015-12-31T06:48:58 < ReadError> both piggies
2015-12-31T06:49:19 < PeterM> not if you havent updated thunderbird since 2010
2015-12-31T06:49:47 < ReadError> it will slowly grow to using 2gb, then when i click an email it wont show it, have to double click to open it in a tab
2015-12-31T06:51:35 < PeterM> how much mail you do? the live mail client on win7 was pretty decent for high mail volumes last time i used it - dont know if the same product exists in win10 tho
2015-12-31T06:53:24 < ReadError> hmm my original gmail, 36k messages
2015-12-31T06:54:01 < PeterM> thats not too much
2015-12-31T06:54:17 < PeterM> how much mail/day? like 10 legit mails, 50 spam?
2015-12-31T06:54:23  * upgrdman just realized he has a little over 10GB of shit in gmail.
2015-12-31T06:54:34 < upgrdman> time to clean up
2015-12-31T06:54:38 < ReadError> PeterM nah a lot of spam is filtered
2015-12-31T06:54:46 < ReadError> but im subbed to some git repos etc
2015-12-31T06:55:13 < upgrdman> yolo
2015-12-31T06:55:28 < PeterM> ReadError, i know spam is filtered but you know sometimes you sub to shit and get
2015-12-31T06:55:36 < PeterM> "spammed" sorta
2015-12-31T06:55:56 < ReadError> http://www.emclient.com/?lang=en
2015-12-31T06:56:00 < ReadError> looks okay
2015-12-31T06:57:15 < ReadError> oh, 55k messages, 36k unread
2015-12-31T06:57:28 < ReadError> but i thought that was the entire point of gmail, never delete anything
2015-12-31T06:57:31 < PeterM> ReadError, >martk all messages read
2015-12-31T06:57:33 < PeterM> fucking seriously
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2015-12-31T07:21:26 < Rob235> how does ack work when reading >2 bytes from i2c?
2015-12-31T07:41:20 < upgrdman> i think it's all automati
2015-12-31T07:41:29 < upgrdman> at least on f051
2015-12-31T07:44:47 < Rob235> the std periph library I'm using just has a function receiveData which just returns the DR register
2015-12-31T07:45:19 < upgrdman> ok well are you having problems?
2015-12-31T07:45:40 < Rob235> yea, it can read one or two bytes fine but there is something different you have to do when reading more than 2 bytes and I'm not sure what it is
2015-12-31T07:47:01 < Rob235> this is (should be) my last I2C hiccup, everything else seems to be working
2015-12-31T08:12:03 < ReadError> is there a good remote desktop solution for lunix
2015-12-31T08:12:08 < ReadError> RDP is great
2015-12-31T08:12:25 < upgrdman> i think just vnc
2015-12-31T08:12:28 < ReadError> used nomachine, vnc has always sucked
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2015-12-31T09:07:47 < upgrdman> ya. sub'd to him a year ago
2015-12-31T09:08:12 < upgrdman> he seems to have a hard on for the word "engineer" but otherwise his videos are decent
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2015-12-31T10:18:18 < PeterM> [11:22] <upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/RnqbkUk.gifv - i found a ?sequel? http://i.imgur.com/eFq4Qqn.webm
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2015-12-31T10:28:15 < ReadError> lol installing debian, 'this device requires a non-free driver, please download and load from usb'
2015-12-31T10:29:34 < PeterM> <ReadError> lol installing debian
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2015-12-31T10:29:42 < PeterM> lol
2015-12-31T10:29:50 < ReadError> ya i need it for lunixcnc
2015-12-31T10:35:48 < PeterM> just glanced through linuxcnc, seems typically linux user friendly
2015-12-31T10:50:37 < GargantuaSauce> "linux user friendly" sounds like a bit of a euphemism
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2015-12-31T11:04:18 < ReadError> PeterM seen mach3?
2015-12-31T11:07:21 < Rob235> ahh its working, time to go to sleep
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2015-12-31T11:11:01 < PeterM> ReadError, yer quite some time ago, but i doubt its changed
2015-12-31T11:11:24 < ReadError> its pretty horrible
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2015-12-31T11:21:31 < dongs> BREAKING "The FBI is offering a $5,000 reward for information that helps them find the person who put raw bacon on the door handles of a Las Vegas mosque."
2015-12-31T11:22:10 < PeterM> kek
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2015-12-31T11:37:15 < celeron55> that's quite the reward for a single case of a crime of littering
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2015-12-31T12:50:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/kb1FrXP.png
2015-12-31T12:50:50 < dongs> haha
2015-12-31T12:59:09 < celeron55> lol
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2015-12-31T13:05:40 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/F4OggZT.gifv
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2015-12-31T13:07:26 < celeron55> oh, so this is how you actually hunt with a bow
2015-12-31T13:07:40 < celeron55> makes much more sense than trying to shoot with it
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2015-12-31T13:12:21 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/617947269686390784/OEXGQ6kR.jpg
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2015-12-31T13:20:52 < dongs> http://4k8ktv.jp/2015/12/08/8k-new-years-eve/ fuck, im missing out
2015-12-31T13:22:25 < Steffanx> 8k -_-
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2015-12-31T13:51:04 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/skXNGXk.gifv kakimir irl
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2015-12-31T16:28:28 < skroon> hi
2015-12-31T16:28:48 < skroon> I just got my first nucleo boards :-)
2015-12-31T16:39:42 < Tectu> congratulations
2015-12-31T16:40:12 < skroon> I was surprised that a lot of stuff worked on OSX :-)
2015-12-31T16:40:39 < skroon> is it common to develop for STM32 on OSX/Linux?
2015-12-31T16:42:04 < Sync> yes
2015-12-31T16:42:53 < skroon> great :-)
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2015-12-31T16:43:53 < skroon> you guys use IDE's to develop for it?
2015-12-31T16:44:00 < skroon> i'm following some example now that use Eclipse
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2015-12-31T16:44:48 < Steffanx> i think it's mainly that skroon. Or maybe netbeans.
2015-12-31T16:44:58 < Steffanx> The others use vi (duh.)
2015-12-31T16:45:20 < skroon> Steffanx: well i'm a big vi user, so I was hoping for that answer really :-)
2015-12-31T16:45:35 < skroon> because debugging is done via OpenOCD I guess?
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2015-12-31T16:46:28 < jpa-> i use kdevelop
2015-12-31T16:46:32 < Steffanx> Not "because", but yeah openocd is the way to go.
2015-12-31T16:46:41 < Steffanx> You do jpa-?
2015-12-31T16:46:44 < jpa-> yeah
2015-12-31T16:47:07 < jpa-> not for debugging though, but code completion & definition lookup is nice
2015-12-31T16:48:33 < Steffanx> i liked codelite, but i stopped using it for some reason.
2015-12-31T16:48:41 < Steffanx> Probably because bad os x support, but..
2015-12-31T16:49:42 < Steffanx> The real pros use keil ofcoures.
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2015-12-31T16:49:45 < Steffanx> se
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2015-12-31T16:50:13 < skroon> what would be the benefits of using Eclipse for example?
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2015-12-31T16:50:48 < skroon> I was wondering for example when just using vi and commandline, if it's still possible to use a the STM32 libraries available etc
2015-12-31T16:51:00 < pid> eclipse has an awesome debugger
2015-12-31T16:51:18 < skroon> pid: ok cool, that uses OpenOCD ?
2015-12-31T16:51:24 < pid> yes
2015-12-31T16:52:23 < Steffanx> Sure skroon. Get a makefile that helps you using them.
2015-12-31T16:52:25 < skroon> and eclipse ofcourse make a nice filesystem structure of your project etc, which you would else have to make your own?
2015-12-31T16:52:56 < pid> it can, but i prefer to use my own makefile and structure
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2015-12-31T16:58:14 < skroon> pid: ow really? so that way you can still comile from the commandline right?
2015-12-31T16:58:25 < pid> yes
2015-12-31T16:58:42 < pid> brb
2015-12-31T16:59:10 < skroon> using it that way means you can switch between eclipse and vi for example more easily?
2015-12-31T17:04:55 < pid> yes
2015-12-31T17:05:13 < pid> but those full-eclipse projects also "work" when executed manually
2015-12-31T17:05:44 < pid> i like this way more because i can make project structrure fit better for my purposes
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2015-12-31T17:07:58 < skroon> pid: cool, I can't wait to learn more
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2015-12-31T17:09:10 < pid> :P
2015-12-31T17:09:43 < pid> http://wiki.hackerspace-krk.pl/poradniki/stm32/start links marked 1. and 2. is all you need :P
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2015-12-31T17:25:53 < skroon> pid: thanks! :D
2015-12-31T17:26:11 < skroon> pid: btw it's also common to use STM32CubeMX ?
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2015-12-31T17:28:27 < pid> don't know. i dont use it right now
2015-12-31T17:30:22 < englishman> Timecube is the best
2015-12-31T17:30:26 < englishman> So easy to use and reliable
2015-12-31T17:30:35 < fenugrec> hahaaha
2015-12-31T17:30:48 < englishman> The clock tree alone is reason enough
2015-12-31T17:31:56 < fenugrec> http://www.timecube.com/
2015-12-31T17:33:04 < englishman> Einstein  Was ONEist  Brain.
2015-12-31T17:33:05 < englishman> Try  My  Belly-Button  Logic.
2015-12-31T17:33:08 < englishman> yikes
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2015-12-31T17:36:27 < skroon> pid: and the upload the code, I read online that you should use ST Link Utility, however I think it only works on Windows?
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2015-12-31T17:38:09 < skroon> pid: should I use  st-flash utility instead?
2015-12-31T17:42:47 < pid> openocd can do that
2015-12-31T17:43:06 < pid> i sometimes use st-flash and sometimes use gdb + openocd
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2015-12-31T17:48:36 < karlp> wtf is going on with my connection now?
2015-12-31T17:48:41 < karlp> stupid internet
2015-12-31T17:49:13 < Steffanx> its beeroclock, also for internets.
2015-12-31T17:49:25 < karlp> must be it.
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2015-12-31T17:51:21 < skroon> pid: ah cool, so on the Nucleo boards I have, the st-link/v2-1 is on the same board, if you have own project, do you have to buy or make your own st-link/v2-1 programmers?
2015-12-31T17:51:32 < dongs> why?
2015-12-31T17:51:50 < dongs> you can disconnect (and even break off) nucleo stlink and just use it
2015-12-31T17:51:51 < skroon> to get the code on I mean
2015-12-31T17:52:01 < jpa-> skroon: most such boards have a connector to connect the stlink to external board
2015-12-31T17:52:02 < dongs> well, you can program via uart bootloader
2015-12-31T17:52:07 < dongs> for final versions
2015-12-31T17:52:11 < dongs> for debugging you can use any stlink
2015-12-31T17:52:20 < skroon> ah cool thanks guys
2015-12-31T17:53:13 < skroon> so after i've broken off the st-link from the nucleo boards, how would I be able to connect via OpenOCD again?
2015-12-31T17:53:35 < dongs> er, you connect it to your board/wahtever you made and connect same way.
2015-12-31T17:53:38 < dongs> hopefluly you didnt fuck up and it stil lworks
2015-12-31T17:53:57 < skroon> I haven't done anything yet :-) just trying to understand the process now
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2015-12-31T18:22:41 < bloated> http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/2f/f4/0002f42f_big.jpeg
2015-12-31T18:24:22 < Steffanx> Nice hat you have there bloated
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2015-12-31T19:03:01 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1451549430335.jpg
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2015-12-31T19:19:29 < emeb> heh
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2015-12-31T19:19:50 < emeb> Too bad they spoiled the joke in the headline.
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2015-12-31T19:24:40 < Steffanx> Happy new year to dongs, btw
2015-12-31T19:26:47 < dongs> you're almos 1.5 hours late
2015-12-31T19:26:58 < Steffanx> Yes, but..
2015-12-31T19:27:06 < Steffanx> Not 2.5?
2015-12-31T19:27:12 < dongs> er i duno
2015-12-31T19:27:14 < dongs> its 2.27 now
2015-12-31T19:27:14 < dongs> i think
2015-12-31T19:27:26 < Steffanx> http://time.is/Japan yes it is
2015-12-31T19:28:06 < Steffanx> No Jappy fireworks videos?
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2015-12-31T19:29:48 < Steffanx> karlp i think zyp broke your connection. He times out with you all the time
2015-12-31T19:32:03 < jpa-> i'm not sure we want to know what they do together while the net is off..
2015-12-31T19:32:40 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1467627#msg1467627
2015-12-31T19:32:46 < Laurenceb_> lul what were they expecting
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2015-12-31T19:38:24 < Steffanx> or they both use linode. i read something about them being ddossed
2015-12-31T19:39:50 < Steffanx> Which they do, so you no know have to imagine things about them jpa-. Too bad.
2015-12-31T19:40:04 < Steffanx> *no longer
2015-12-31T19:46:56 < kakimir> how is new year in nipponland?
2015-12-31T19:47:15 < kakimir> lots of festivities?
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2015-12-31T19:51:10 < ReadError> probably just stoning and bieber vids on youtube
2015-12-31T19:51:47 < kakimir> some street carneval for promotion purposes
2015-12-31T19:52:26 < kakimir> it has to include symbols of genitalia
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2015-12-31T20:01:26 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMJY2uHPkw musics
2015-12-31T20:01:37 < kakimir> because prograssive house
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2015-12-31T20:06:53 < ReadError> upgrdman, halp
2015-12-31T20:06:57 < ReadError> i cant make it stick ;(
2015-12-31T20:07:00 < ReadError> (mask)
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2015-12-31T20:22:02 < kakimir> can we make together something wonderful?
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2015-12-31T20:22:30 < Rob235> sure, bend over
2015-12-31T20:22:49 < kakimir> :D
2015-12-31T20:24:12 < kakimir> you are such perv
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2015-12-31T20:25:41 < kakimir> I mean there is lots of potential
2015-12-31T20:26:38 < ReadError> wat are you doing for NYE beaky ?
2015-12-31T20:27:35 < kakimir> ate too much pizza
2015-12-31T20:27:48 < kakimir> and thinking of dreams I had
2015-12-31T20:28:48 < kakimir> we can do big things!
2015-12-31T20:28:55 < kakimir> if we want to
2015-12-31T20:29:08 < ReadError> you like big things, aye ?
2015-12-31T20:29:59 < kakimir> big as - it matters - makes change
2015-12-31T20:30:32 < kakimir> maybe measureable big too
2015-12-31T20:30:53 < ReadError> you been cryptic as hell bro
2015-12-31T20:31:50 < kakimir> I try to grip visions
2015-12-31T20:32:17 < kakimir> those keep passing from right to left left to right
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2015-12-31T20:36:15 < ReadError> the wizard only wears pants after midnight
2015-12-31T20:39:00 < kakimir> I have these flashes of places I know
2015-12-31T20:39:04 < Steffanx> What did you use kakimir?
2015-12-31T20:39:11 < kakimir> but looking all different
2015-12-31T20:39:23 < kakimir> futuristic
2015-12-31T20:39:56 < Steffanx> You should learn to paint.
2015-12-31T20:41:15 < kakimir> mere paintings..
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2015-12-31T20:44:44 < Steffanx> Make paintings of your visions, maybe its your feature :P
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2015-12-31T20:48:02 < kakimir> no
2015-12-31T20:48:07 < kakimir> I dont need to
2015-12-31T20:48:26 < kakimir> I think visions are more durable
2015-12-31T20:48:39 < kakimir> you dont need to capture them
2015-12-31T20:49:22 < kakimir> those just fade and reappear
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2015-12-31T21:21:17 < Steffanx> but we have to know what kind of shit goes on in your head kakimir
2015-12-31T21:21:26 < Steffanx> with paintings we can see it
2015-12-31T21:22:12 < qyx> too much mushrooms
2015-12-31T21:22:23 < qyx> or what
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2015-12-31T21:32:20 < Rob235> how do you use dma to read multiple bytes over i2c? It's stopping after the first two bytes with sda/scl being held low after
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2015-12-31T21:38:55 < kakimir> I think visions are like treasure maps or keys
2015-12-31T21:39:07 < kakimir> to open doors
2015-12-31T21:39:55 < kakimir> to something greater things
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2015-12-31T21:41:39 < PaulFertser> I think that kakimir is right, if there was a way to combine the skills of the channel regulars, there would be an opportunity to implement great projects.
2015-12-31T21:42:15 < Steffanx> Time for a weekly meeting at your house PaulFertser :)
2015-12-31T21:42:28 < Steffanx> *place
2015-12-31T21:42:57 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: haha, I think I can share some photos of my place with you one day. In private. You'll change your mind then ;)
2015-12-31T21:43:37 < Steffanx> Don't say you're one of those russian with that crazy experiments.
2015-12-31T21:43:37 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: talking seriously, I'm feeling really detached from the "real world" in these Moscow suburbs...
2015-12-31T21:43:41 < Steffanx> *russians.
2015-12-31T21:43:58 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: those crazy guys are ukrainian!
2015-12-31T21:45:06 < Steffanx> Oh, ok. Then i have no idea what a russian suburb looks like
2015-12-31T21:49:06 < Steffanx> https://calvertjournal.com/images/uploads/features/2015_May/Rogalev__Hatherley/_full_width/ragain1.jpg doesnt look too bad.
2015-12-31T21:49:15 < Steffanx> "not much more than cubicles to come home to at the end of a day’s work" is not too nice though.
2015-12-31T21:49:31 < Rob235> hmmm
2015-12-31T21:50:00 < Rob235> DMA_SetCurrDataCounter(DMA1_Stream2, mpu9255_packet_length);  If I read the data counter right after this line its zero (packet_length = 32)
2015-12-31T21:51:16 < kakimir> so sweet soviet cubes
2015-12-31T21:52:04 < kakimir> slavs make them really cozy inside
2015-12-31T21:53:17 < kakimir> not that all ikea crap
2015-12-31T21:54:25 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: https://paulfertser.info/moscow-suburbs.avi as seen from wltoys v912 FP heli. At 0:18 is a 5-floor building, that's where my apartment is.
2015-12-31T21:54:53 < Steffanx> Better fix your certificate ;)
2015-12-31T21:55:27 < PaulFertser> It's not broken, it's CACert.
2015-12-31T21:56:09 < PaulFertser> I'm yet to start using letsencrypt... I do not like their API and lack of the threat model :/
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2015-12-31T21:59:55 < Steffanx> Those metal "buildings" at the start, are those  sheds or do people live in there PaulFertser?
2015-12-31T22:00:49 < Steffanx> must he sheds.
2015-12-31T22:07:31 < Steffanx> _be
2015-12-31T22:07:38 < Rob235> is there a reason I can't modify the NDTR register of a dma stream?
2015-12-31T22:08:02 < jpa-> while it is running?
2015-12-31T22:08:10 < Rob235> before I enable it
2015-12-31T22:08:30 < jpa-> should be possible, isn't that how you set the transfer length?
2015-12-31T22:08:33 < Rob235> i set it and it just stays zero
2015-12-31T22:08:37 < Rob235> yea
2015-12-31T22:08:40 < Rob235> thats what im trying to do
2015-12-31T22:08:47 < jpa-> have you enabled the dma controller clocks? do other registers take values?
2015-12-31T22:09:40 < Rob235> AHHHH thank you!
2015-12-31T22:09:49 < Rob235> let me make sure that was it
2015-12-31T22:10:41 < Rob235> haha yes that was it, didn't enable the clock
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2015-12-31T22:10:48 < Rob235> stupid mistake
2015-12-31T22:10:53 < Rob235> thanks
2015-12-31T22:11:16 < jpa-> np
2015-12-31T22:17:02 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HJXO1wwppOE
2015-12-31T22:19:01 < Rob235> one problem after another
2015-12-31T22:21:06 < Rob235> getting two extra bytes from my dma read, dont know if its coincidence or not but its the first byte repeated twice at the end
2015-12-31T22:22:53 < kakimir> PaulFertser: you have server at home?
2015-12-31T22:27:14 < Laurenceb_> Rob235: maybe related to the stop condition?
2015-12-31T22:27:25 < Laurenceb_> I havent actually used i2c with dma tho
2015-12-31T22:29:11 < Rob235> not sure
2015-12-31T22:36:18 < Rob235> if i set the dma data length to packetsize - 2 it reads the right bytes but still hangs (stays low) at the end
2015-12-31T22:38:01 < Laurenceb_> sounds like i2c config
2015-12-31T22:38:43 < Rob235> i dont think so, im pretty sure it has to do with the dma or stop condition.  without dma it works fine
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2015-12-31T22:48:31 < Rob235> man I dont even know where to start
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2015-12-31T22:51:15 < Laurenceb_> do you have a logic tantaliser?
2015-12-31T22:51:22 < Laurenceb_> arg autocorrect
2015-12-31T22:52:02 < Rob235> yea
2015-12-31T22:52:38 < Rob235> it reads 34 bytes instead of 32 (last two bytes are the first byte repeated twice (might be a coinidence)) and then both lines stay low
2015-12-31T22:53:48 < Laurenceb_> wait thats weird
2015-12-31T22:54:02 < Laurenceb_> should be impossible due to dma design
2015-12-31T22:54:11 < Rob235> i know, I don't get it
2015-12-31T22:54:14 < Laurenceb_> did you set it to do 32 bit reads or something?
2015-12-31T22:54:32 < Rob235> If I set it to read 30 bytes it reads the 32 but still hangs with both lines low
2015-12-31T22:55:07 < Rob235> actually I have an idea
2015-12-31T22:56:37 < Rob235> when reading more than 2 bytes you have to do it a little different so maybe I should read 30 bytes and then in the dma complete interrupt read the last two differently.
2015-12-31T22:57:24 < Laurenceb_> is this on F1  ?
2015-12-31T22:57:42 < Rob235> f4
2015-12-31T22:57:44 < Laurenceb_> iirc I tried dma i2c on F1 ages ago
2015-12-31T22:57:46 < Laurenceb_> oh ok
2015-12-31T22:58:00 < Laurenceb_> have only used chibios for i2c and dma on F4
2015-12-31T22:58:44 < Laurenceb_> you could try reading the chibios source but it will be overcomplex and annoying for you application for sure
2015-12-31T22:59:12 < Rob235> I'm gonna try what I said, I think it might work, brb
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2015-12-31T23:06:23 < Rob235> awesome it worked
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2015-12-31T23:14:49 < Rob235> i love when things work
2015-12-31T23:14:50 < Rob235> :)
2015-12-31T23:32:16 < Rob235> yea, never worked with i2c and dma together
2015-12-31T23:32:22 < Rob235> looking good now though
2015-12-31T23:33:09 < Rob235> got all the basic functionality of all my peripherals working, now time to add functionality and put it all together :)
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2015-12-31T23:39:27 < Rob235> oops, I lied, forgot about pressure sensor and ultrasonic sensor but those will be easy
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