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2016-03-01T00:00:12 < karlp> heh, atmel newsletter, new parts, no mention of acquisition
2016-03-01T00:00:13 < Laurenceb_> yeah bitbang fails for 1wire
2016-03-01T00:00:19 < Laurenceb_> as you need precise timing
2016-03-01T00:01:04 < aandrew> don't know why bitbang wouldn't work with inline asm unless the protocol timing is so fast that you can't PIO it
2016-03-01T00:01:15 < aandrew> they can bitbang CAN, don't see why 1wire can't be done
2016-03-01T00:01:27 < zyp> problem is API overhead
2016-03-01T00:01:33 < karlp> if you're reaching for inline asm, you're already failing.
2016-03-01T00:01:53 < aandrew> depends on the application but generally I agree
2016-03-01T00:02:07 < aandrew> there are areas where a handful of inline asm is exactly right for the task at hand
2016-03-01T00:02:28 < zyp> yeah, plain optimized C should end up doing exactly the same as optimal asm when all you do is toggling gpios
2016-03-01T00:02:35 < aandrew> looking at all that code in the bug report though... there's a lot of pointer dereferencing going on
2016-03-01T00:02:54 < aandrew> call overhead, pointer overhead... I could see why it's fail
2016-03-01T00:03:06 < aandrew> mind you they're using the HAL so it's alreayd doomed
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2016-03-01T00:09:15 < Laurenceb_> when an interrupt comes along your timing is toast
2016-03-01T00:09:33 < Laurenceb_> bitbang 1wire is going to fail
2016-03-01T00:16:39 < aandrew> nonsense
2016-03-01T00:16:47 < aandrew> you speak like you've never done anything like this before
2016-03-01T00:16:54 < aandrew> it's not *trivial* but it is straightforward
2016-03-01T00:17:07 < aandrew> when you transmit a byte or whatever the critical part is you disable interrupts
2016-03-01T00:17:20 < aandrew> if you're communicating over 1wire so much that that is infeasible then that's something else
2016-03-01T00:17:30 < aandrew> but basic bitbanging is not rocket science
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2016-03-01T00:17:51 < aandrew> is it high throughput? hell no. is it the best way forward? hardly ever. but it's absolutely doable and aboslutely reliable
2016-03-01T00:19:05 < aandrew> standard 1wire speed according to https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/126 has nothing faster than 6us
2016-03-01T00:19:14 < zyp> isn't onewire a pulse length protocol? why not timer+dma it?
2016-03-01T00:19:46 < aandrew> overdrive is faster but if all you need to do is use 1wire because some moron spec'd a part you can't switch out, you can do it
2016-03-01T00:19:57 < aandrew> zyp: another possibility, more complex though
2016-03-01T00:20:17 < zyp> meh, that's how we do ws2812, why not 1wire as well?
2016-03-01T00:20:45 < zyp> I mean, reading complicates it a bit, but you could just use input capture + dma for that
2016-03-01T00:22:16 < aandrew> that's actually a neat idea for WS2812
2016-03-01T00:22:24 < zyp> you could do all of it with a single timer, one channel for writing and one channel for reading
2016-03-01T00:22:42 < zyp> with a dma job hooked to each
2016-03-01T00:23:09 < aandrew> I think you'd want two timers although you could get away with one
2016-03-01T00:23:21 < zyp> no, one timer would work plenty
2016-03-01T00:23:35 < aandrew> I know, but it's more complex
2016-03-01T00:23:36 < zyp> two channels hooked together, output channel in open drain mode
2016-03-01T00:23:42 < zyp> no, it's less complex
2016-03-01T00:23:47 < aandrew> because your timer timing is driving or not driving the read dma as well
2016-03-01T00:24:21 < aandrew> you wouldn't want every timer interrupt to do something on the read DMA
2016-03-01T00:24:35 < aandrew> so you have more steps with each timer interrupt ot set up the read DMA, wouldn't you?
2016-03-01T00:24:39 < zyp> sure you would, it's easier that way
2016-03-01T00:25:02 < aandrew> with two timers you just write to both and the timing on the "reader" timer woudl fire a DMA read whenever needed only
2016-03-01T00:25:10 < aandrew> (just thinking out loud, I haven't done this before)
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2016-03-01T00:25:32 < zyp> aandrew, yes, but that makes it more complex because you have to start that timer only when reading
2016-03-01T00:25:36 < zyp> otherwise you end up with the same
2016-03-01T00:25:46 < aandrew> hm?
2016-03-01T00:25:47 < aandrew> no
2016-03-01T00:25:52 < zyp> and timer config gets more complex because you have to reset at falling edge too
2016-03-01T00:25:53 < aandrew> just have long time intervals between the writes
2016-03-01T00:26:52 < zyp> I mean, if you're going to reconfig during the transaction, you could just wait with enabling the read dma channel until you start reading
2016-03-01T00:27:09 < aandrew> right
2016-03-01T00:27:25 < zyp> but my point is that it's less complicated just reading everything, because then you don't have to do anything in the middle of the transaction
2016-03-01T00:27:29 < aandrew> I was thinking of not reconfiguring, just having two data streams (write bits and read bits) and "playing" them to the DMA
2016-03-01T00:27:32 < aandrew> er timers
2016-03-01T00:27:49 < zyp> what's controlling the sequence?
2016-03-01T00:28:15 < aandrew> whatever routine you have that sets up the timer "data" that is DMA'd into them
2016-03-01T00:28:53 < zyp> any read transaction starts with a written command that tells the device to return some data, right?
2016-03-01T00:29:05 < aandrew> well I was thinking more like
2016-03-01T00:29:17 < zyp> so at some point during that, you start reading bits
2016-03-01T00:29:19 < aandrew> setup_write() and setup_read() which wouldn't have to get called until you wanted the entire sequence played
2016-03-01T00:29:44 < aandrew> then you get a dma done event and read out the data from the memory you DMA'd the read data in to
2016-03-01T00:30:07 < zyp> I don't understand what you're talking about anymore
2016-03-01T00:30:20 < zyp> hmm
2016-03-01T00:30:36 < aandrew> isn't the data you write ot the timer just period data?
2016-03-01T00:30:54 < zyp> with the internal timer remap, I think you can actually run output compare and input capture on a single OD pin even
2016-03-01T00:31:00 < zyp> so no external wiring
2016-03-01T00:31:23 < zyp> aandrew, yes
2016-03-01T00:31:48 < aandrew> ok, so let's say you have to write 16 bits and read 16 bits after
2016-03-01T00:32:07 < aandrew> so your write data is the timing data for the 1s and 0s you're sending and the delays between bits
2016-03-01T00:32:52 < aandrew> your read data is a loooooong delay while the writes take place and then a bunch of short pulses for the slave to know when to transmit + short delay + read pin events
2016-03-01T00:32:59 < zyp> in that case I would set up a 33-byte write buffer and a 32-byte read buffer, each with a dma job from a channel on a common timer
2016-03-01T00:33:07 < aandrew> right
2016-03-01T00:33:12 < aandrew> I think your way does end up being simpler
2016-03-01T00:33:19 < aandrew> especially with the ability to chain DMA or timer events
2016-03-01T00:33:33 < zyp> the last byte of the write buffer would be full on, to leave the bus high when done
2016-03-01T00:34:09 < zyp> and the 16 bytes before that would be short period, i.e. that A-delay
2016-03-01T00:34:36 < zyp> and the read buffer corresponding to those positions will then capture when the bus actually goes high
2016-03-01T00:35:09 < zyp> which you compare to the E-delay to determine whether it was 1 or 0
2016-03-01T00:37:04 < zyp> it might even be possible to use the same buffer for read and write, since the read dma job will trigger after the write dma job
2016-03-01T00:37:18 < Laurenceb_> aandrew> when you transmit a byte or whatever the critical part is you disable interrupts
2016-03-01T00:37:23 < Laurenceb_> what could possibly go wrong
2016-03-01T00:37:42 < Laurenceb_> having said all this, one way which could work is a timer isr
2016-03-01T00:37:48 < zyp> Laurenceb_, or you could wrap it in a service ISR
2016-03-01T00:37:51 < Laurenceb_> then a state machine to toggle the io
2016-03-01T00:38:02 < zyp> with a high enough priority that it doesn't get preempted
2016-03-01T00:38:04 < Laurenceb_> ^
2016-03-01T00:38:05 < aandrew> ... nothing? obviously you have to be careful with what you're doing but again this isn't rocket science
2016-03-01T00:38:25 < Sync_> rocket surgery.
2016-03-01T00:38:35 < Laurenceb_> once you get to a complex system with lots of stuff firing off
2016-03-01T00:38:50 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: if you're getting ot that point and bitbanging 1w you've got a design flaw
2016-03-01T00:38:53 < aandrew> I agree
2016-03-01T00:38:53 < zyp> Laurenceb_, eh, running a state machine from an ISR when you're dealing with microsecond resolution isn't necessarily that smart
2016-03-01T00:38:54 < Laurenceb_> the last thing you need is disabled interrupts and tarduino style busy waits firing off
2016-03-01T00:38:57 < aandrew> but that wasn't the original point :-)
2016-03-01T00:39:22 < Laurenceb_> I've never actually use 1wire lol
2016-03-01T00:39:29 < aandrew> "shouldn't bit bang it" != "can't bit bang it"
2016-03-01T00:39:29 < Laurenceb_> how tight is the timing?
2016-03-01T00:39:31 < aandrew> I *hate* 1w
2016-03-01T00:39:39 < aandrew> I avoid it and openly mock those who use it
2016-03-01T00:39:46 < Laurenceb_> heh
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2016-03-01T00:40:02 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: it's pretty tight, but nothing a reaosnable MCU can't PIO, although think long and hard before doing that
2016-03-01T00:40:19 < aandrew> I'd mentioned 6us above as being the tightest delay
2016-03-01T00:40:28 < Laurenceb_> well the alternative to a state machine would be a preprocessor and a buffer of io states
2016-03-01T00:40:28 < aandrew> not sure what they accept for tolerance or jitter
2016-03-01T00:40:37 < Laurenceb_> thats pretty tight
2016-03-01T00:40:40 < aandrew> I like zyp's idea with timer DMAs though
2016-03-01T00:40:49 < aandrew> although that's a fucking interrupt storm too
2016-03-01T00:40:55 < Laurenceb_> yeah but it ties up your DMA
2016-03-01T00:41:00 < aandrew> all the setup/resetup
2016-03-01T00:41:13 < Laurenceb_> might be no better option depending on how many interrupts you alrady have
2016-03-01T00:41:20 < aandrew> sure but what are you saving your DMA for? use it
2016-03-01T00:41:41 < aandrew> all that interrupt overhead could be worse than just disabling to do the 500us transfer
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2016-03-01T00:42:02 < Laurenceb_> well I'm using all DAM channels on my horse monitor atm lol
2016-03-01T00:42:13 < aandrew> horse monitor?
2016-03-01T00:42:16 < Laurenceb_> ran out very quickly
2016-03-01T00:42:33 < Laurenceb_> I'm building a device to monitor horse racing
2016-03-01T00:42:40 < zyp> well, you're doing even weirder stuff
2016-03-01T00:42:48 < zyp> I assume
2016-03-01T00:42:51 < zyp> since you always do that
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2016-03-01T00:42:58 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: with a backdoor to fix close races?
2016-03-01T00:43:05 < Laurenceb_> I'm shitposting on /pol/
2016-03-01T00:43:14 < Laurenceb_> but also designing a horse monitor
2016-03-01T00:43:15 < Laurenceb_> so yes
2016-03-01T00:43:40 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: nah just a dead horse detector
2016-03-01T00:43:50 < zyp> so, what are you using the dma channels for anyway?
2016-03-01T00:43:58 < aandrew> if a horse dies in the middle of a race isn't it kind of obvious?
2016-03-01T00:44:44 < Laurenceb_> gps, spi, radio modem
2016-03-01T00:44:57 < aandrew> I'm going to be using a uart on AHB1 and DMA for PPP over cell netowrks
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2016-03-01T00:45:09 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: hopefully ECG abnormalities can be spotted
2016-03-01T00:48:04 < aandrew> i'm confused
2016-03-01T00:48:27 < aandrew> you're watchign the horse's ECG during a race?
2016-03-01T00:48:53 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-03-01T00:49:12 < aandrew> interesting, how do you ahve this mounted to the animal so it's stable enough for a race??
2016-03-01T00:49:32 < aandrew> do you have some kind of halter or something in the animal's chest?
2016-03-01T00:49:36 < aandrew> got pics or somethign?
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2016-03-01T00:50:05 < Laurenceb_> no pics as hardware isnt ready yet
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2016-03-01T00:50:31 < Laurenceb_> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2MAAAOSw~gRVnyPe/s-l300.jpg
2016-03-01T00:50:51 < Laurenceb_> thats used to connect to a base unit clipped onto the back of the saddle
2016-03-01T00:51:32 < Laurenceb_> we will probably have some extra straps or something too, not sure atm
2016-03-01T01:02:16 < Laurenceb_> thats not as cruel as where I work
2016-03-01T01:02:30 < Laurenceb_> where the manager taught them to call him sir
2016-03-01T01:02:35 < Laurenceb_> "sir YESSIR"
2016-03-01T01:03:59 < aandrew> heh
2016-03-01T01:04:03 < Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/10742699
2016-03-01T01:04:08 < aandrew> all right manager steven
2016-03-01T01:04:10 < Laurenceb_> did I mention I like state machines
2016-03-01T01:04:20 < aandrew> I like state machines as well
2016-03-01T01:04:52 < aandrew> I think state machines was one of my first epiphanies as a budding sw guy
2016-03-01T01:05:07 < Laurenceb_> I probably went a bit ott with nested state machines there
2016-03-01T01:05:20 < Laurenceb_> there is a high level one and lower level spi/dma one
2016-03-01T01:06:13 < aandrew> nice little device, havne't used it before
2016-03-01T01:06:17 < aandrew> looks like it can do 433MHz
2016-03-01T01:06:45 < Laurenceb_> yup, crazy link budget too
2016-03-01T01:06:56 < Laurenceb_> I'm getting 156dB
2016-03-01T01:07:10 < aandrew> yeah I saw that, -126dBm rx sens
2016-03-01T01:07:18 < aandrew> what're you using from it ot the antenna?
2016-03-01T01:08:01 < Laurenceb_> you mean matching network?
2016-03-01T01:08:04 < Laurenceb_> direct tie
2016-03-01T01:09:14 < aandrew> hm
2016-03-01T01:10:57 < Laurenceb_> I'm getting about -136dBm rx
2016-03-01T01:11:18 < Laurenceb_> using AFC and narrowband filter
2016-03-01T01:11:33 < BrainDamage> i think we all know laurenceb is trying to improve bestiality porn performances and not horse racing, the competition is only an excuse because it's an illegal practice in the uk
2016-03-01T01:11:44 < BrainDamage> and the antenna is sticking out the horse's ass
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2016-03-01T01:14:34 < aandrew>  BrainDamage> and the antenna is sticking out the horse's ass
2016-03-01T01:14:39 < aandrew> didn't need that visual, lol
2016-03-01T01:15:09 < BrainDamage> you're welcome
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2016-03-01T01:58:23 < Laurenceb_> https://veuwer.com/i/3o13.png
2016-03-01T01:59:49 < kakimir> wgat
2016-03-01T02:00:00 < kakimir> cjc,1!
2016-03-01T02:00:18 < kakimir> hello senzuals
2016-03-01T02:06:17 < kakimir> freelance is the poo
2016-03-01T02:06:33 < kakimir> they barely ever hire anyone
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2016-03-01T02:09:07 < kakimir> circuut?
2016-03-01T02:11:09 < kakimir> bad
2016-03-01T02:12:07 < kakimir> I have been having non elecrrical tasks for a few days
2016-03-01T02:14:59 < kakimir> its how it was
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2016-03-01T02:19:27 < kakimir> also how it therefore still is
2016-03-01T02:21:55 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccag0LbXIAAgQX2.jpg:large
2016-03-01T02:22:00 < Laurenceb_> in energy we trust
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2016-03-01T02:46:33 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-03-01T02:55:19 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5GQ9g4Gl/IMG_1392.JPG
2016-03-01T02:55:28 < ReadError> check out my vapist device i grabbed yesterday
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2016-03-01T03:07:50 < englishman> dongs, be sure to get your new free bro3 charging cable before your house explodes
2016-03-01T03:10:45 < dongs> is ther a free recall?
2016-03-01T03:10:47 < lorenzo> http://askubuntu.com/questions/740492/cant-find-clit
2016-03-01T03:10:48 < lorenzo> really
2016-03-01T03:10:59 < dongs> stopped reading after ubuntu
2016-03-01T03:11:16 < englishman> https://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/support/warranty-service-and-recovery/powercord
2016-03-01T03:11:58 < dongs> wait, AC ~cord~? hahaha
2016-03-01T03:12:15 < englishman> ?
2016-03-01T03:12:20 < dongs> i thought i could at least get a free power adapter
2016-03-01T03:12:23 < ReadError> http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/29/technology/judge-apple-feds/index.html
2016-03-01T03:12:25 < dongs> the cord is fucking useless i have a million of htem
2016-03-01T03:12:31 < ReadError> A federal magistrate-judge in New York City has ruled that the U.S. government can't force Apple to hack an iPhone to investigate a drug dealer.
2016-03-01T03:12:31 < englishman> is it just the fucking cord
2016-03-01T03:12:34 < englishman> aw damn
2016-03-01T03:12:35 < dongs> yes
2016-03-01T03:13:31 < dongs> ReadError: nobody gives a fuck about apple or their shitty hardware
2016-03-01T03:13:42 < dongs> they keep fuckiing with the government, they're gonna get erased
2016-03-01T03:13:45 < ReadError> apple has way bigger balls than google
2016-03-01T03:13:50 < dongs> who cares
2016-03-01T03:13:51 < ReadError> google bends over and spreads
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2016-03-01T03:24:18 < Laurenceb_> a system with 4 digit pin is gunna get hacked
2016-03-01T03:24:41 < ReadError> Laurenceb_ really
2016-03-01T03:24:51 < ReadError> it kills the device after a certain amount of failures
2016-03-01T03:24:55 < BrainDamage> nope
2016-03-01T03:25:03 < BrainDamage> it kills the data, not the encryption key
2016-03-01T03:25:09 < BrainDamage> and that can be prevented
2016-03-01T03:25:16 < BrainDamage> because it's external to the soc
2016-03-01T03:25:34 < BrainDamage> and it even backups th data on apple's cloud
2016-03-01T03:25:39 < Laurenceb_> really I thought it wiped the key
2016-03-01T03:26:15 < BrainDamage> to my knowledge, and i've tried to confirm it over multiple places
2016-03-01T03:26:26 < BrainDamage> they backup the encrypted data on the cloud, and wipe it
2016-03-01T03:26:32 < BrainDamage> the key is left inside the soc
2016-03-01T03:26:40 < Laurenceb_> ah
2016-03-01T03:27:12 < BrainDamage> this way if the user manages to recover the phone, he can restore the encrypted data from the backup, unlock  the encryption key in the soc
2016-03-01T03:27:20 < BrainDamage> and decrypt the data
2016-03-01T03:28:13 < BrainDamage> what i don't know if there are some extra lockdowns on the key unlock that say, require apple's "ok" to do more attempts
2016-03-01T03:28:28 < BrainDamage> or if you restore the encrypted data, you can just try again
2016-03-01T03:28:41 < ReadError> either way
2016-03-01T03:28:50 < ReadError> i respect the balls on that gayguy
2016-03-01T03:29:40 < BrainDamage> in the case of no further lockdown, one can easily devise multiple schemes where the data is never erased on the main memory
2016-03-01T03:29:49 < BrainDamage> and just do pin bruteforce
2016-03-01T03:30:03 < BrainDamage> until the encryption key is unlocked
2016-03-01T03:30:20 < BrainDamage> ( or even just backup and restore the ciphertext )
2016-03-01T03:32:50 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/bdMIs8Z
2016-03-01T03:32:54 < ReadError> next kickscammer
2016-03-01T03:35:03 < dongs> isnt that the nixie garbage
2016-03-01T03:35:12 < dongs> useless as fuck
2016-03-01T03:35:18 < dongs> lol @ that camera image on phone
2016-03-01T03:35:29 < dongs> with detail and etc that can never be taken by that piec of shit
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2016-03-01T03:51:05 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-01T03:51:21 < Laurenceb_> like the CGI cuz they cant actually build it
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2016-03-01T03:53:02 < lorenzo> lol they got 500k funding by intel for that
2016-03-01T03:53:05 < lorenzo> they used to make cpus
2016-03-01T03:54:11 < Laurenceb_> wtf why
2016-03-01T03:54:18 < dongs> probly they used intel edison or hwatever
2016-03-01T03:54:19 < dongs> or wanted to use
2016-03-01T03:54:34 < lorenzo> https://jobs.lever.co/flynixie/6c795d85-71ac-41c6-bba1-1a10f09bb464
2016-03-01T03:54:38 < lorenzo> "Experience or very good instincts about flight physics and signal processing of sensor data"
2016-03-01T03:54:43 < lorenzo> very good instincts haha
2016-03-01T03:55:08 < lorenzo> > Comfortable writing code for bare metal or for an operating system
2016-03-01T03:55:11 < lorenzo> > Passion for photography
2016-03-01T03:55:12 < lorenzo> okay
2016-03-01T03:55:48 < dongs> they might as well just go straight to freelancer.com
2016-03-01T03:55:53 < dongs> and hire some pakis
2016-03-01T03:56:12 < dongs> errrr
2016-03-01T03:56:16 < dongs> that opening movie on flynixie.com
2016-03-01T03:56:57 < lorenzo> http://www.theinquirer.net/IMG/246/301246/nixie-flying-wearable-drone.jpg
2016-03-01T03:56:59 < lorenzo> lol
2016-03-01T03:57:07 < Laurenceb_> why does this exist
2016-03-01T03:57:13 < Laurenceb_> were they high or something
2016-03-01T03:57:28 < lorenzo> Laurenceb_: I think they make these projects so that other people can laugh at them, that's the sole purpose
2016-03-01T03:57:33 < dongs> internet of dongs
2016-03-01T03:57:40 < lorenzo> just like the bluetooth toilet, or the wifi coffee machine
2016-03-01T03:57:47  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2016-03-01T04:00:28 < dongs> thats what half of htem do
2016-03-01T04:00:36 < lorenzo> https://www.reddit.com/r/shittykickstarters
2016-03-01T04:01:41 < lorenzo> who
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2016-03-01T04:03:34 < lorenzo> is their hair style even legal
2016-03-01T04:05:20 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/PCB-design-using-geber/
2016-03-01T04:05:59 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Need-RTOS-guru-able-for-9804674/
2016-03-01T04:06:03 < dongs> why are all tehse pakis bidding
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2016-03-01T04:17:21 < zauslande> Guess they're dropping STM32s on them, since this is a STM32 discussion area.
2016-03-01T04:19:41 < dongs> wat
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2016-03-01T04:22:56 < englishman> but chinese
2016-03-01T04:22:57 < englishman> and not pro
2016-03-01T04:23:12 < englishman> as notpro as oculus
2016-03-01T04:25:45 < dongs> you got something better to do?
2016-03-01T04:27:22 < dongs> layout in dorkcad must be pretty tiring
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2016-03-01T04:27:50 < dongs> ah, spacex stuff.
2016-03-01T04:29:13 < dongs> i think your time will be better spent watching porn
2016-03-01T04:29:16 < dongs> than trying new kikecad
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2016-03-01T04:29:49 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/pcb-layout-optimization/ haha
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2016-03-01T04:35:45 < zauslande> preorders are crowdfunding
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2016-03-01T05:07:50 < dongs> > job simulator
2016-03-01T05:09:12 < dongs> R2COM needs that
2016-03-01T05:12:58 < englishman> who would preorder from HTC
2016-03-01T05:13:04 < englishman> like are you afraid they wont be able to deliver
2016-03-01T05:13:15 < englishman> that you NEED to give them money
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2016-03-01T05:16:04 < englishman> thats called marijuana and costs $10
2016-03-01T05:17:17 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3Z5Kqti2/IMG_1391.JPG
2016-03-01T05:17:24 < ReadError> picked that up yesterday
2016-03-01T05:43:45 < dongs> https://github.com/Microsoft/visualfsharp/pull/772#issuecomment-190309926
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2016-03-01T09:23:35 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/AVR-ATMEGA-Code-for-Based/
2016-03-01T09:23:43 < dongs> part2 of NFC vendor
2016-03-01T09:23:45 < dongs> wait waht the hell
2016-03-01T09:23:48 < dongs> the company name is different now
2016-03-01T09:26:45 < dongs> I am able to work with all type of technical simulator, excel and autocad programming , 2D and 3D designing, Rendering,  web designing, PlC , SCADA, DCS DESIGN and program, Networking , Server secutity policies....
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2016-03-01T12:12:25 < dongs> BREAKING: Airport terminals 1 and 2 evacuated in Cologne, Germany; several flights cancelled; non authorized people spotted on the airfield; massive security forces at scene as ongoing police operation is underway; police helicopters circle above area
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2016-03-01T12:28:31 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/AXj88pK.png Laurenceb-class trolling
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2016-03-01T12:52:13 < dongs> any simple formula for heat dissipation on pcb
2016-03-01T12:52:21 < dongs> to compare say 2L/4L/6L
2016-03-01T12:52:56 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/pcb_calc_tb oooOoOOOoO
2016-03-01T12:58:53 < PeterM> i use mental graphics hyperlynx
2016-03-01T12:59:02 < dongs> haha, fuck off, thats too rich for me
2016-03-01T12:59:44 < PeterM> yeah, i didnt pay for it, fuck that
2016-03-01T12:59:57 < PeterM> the amount i use it doesnt warrant the cosst
2016-03-01T13:00:54 < dongs> isnt there some rule of thumb stuff
2016-03-01T13:01:03 < dongs> im seeing liek 20C drop in same ambient between 2L and 6L
2016-03-01T13:01:05 < dongs> with same device
2016-03-01T13:01:07 < dongs> somehow I dont believe
2016-03-01T13:01:48 < PeterM> on an infinite board with no other components yeah the extra copepr would do that
2016-03-01T13:02:14 < PeterM> but you're probabyl notmaking it on an infinite board, nor are you not putting anything else on there either
2016-03-01T13:02:23 < dongs> hmm.
2016-03-01T13:02:39 < zyp> dongs, how's the planes on 2L vs 6L?
2016-03-01T13:02:59 < dongs> well duh
2016-03-01T13:03:13 < dongs> but I tried to keep gnd pretty wide under the part and it goes into more gnd right outside of it
2016-03-01T13:03:37 < dongs> thre's a C-like thing of vcc/signal stuff surrounding, but a solid tab going to rest of board after that.
2016-03-01T13:03:45 < dongs> so its probly as good as it can be on 2L tehrmal-wise
2016-03-01T13:03:58 < dongs> 6L is gnd, power layers.
2016-03-01T13:04:04 < zyp> well, I assume top in either case is full of signals, but is bottom a pretty much solid plane?
2016-03-01T13:04:05 < dongs> usaul stuff
2016-03-01T13:04:12 < dongs> yeah
2016-03-01T13:04:40 < zyp> does 6L have multiple ground planes? what's on which layer?
2016-03-01T13:04:41 < dongs> and its a qfn, and its stitched into gnd plane on both board etc.
2016-03-01T13:04:54 < dongs> yeah there's gnd on L2 and L5
2016-03-01T13:05:51 < zyp> I bet it's partly because distance L1-L2 is much shorter on 6L board, so there's less thermal resistance through the vias from the thermal pad
2016-03-01T13:06:03 < dongs> mhm
2016-03-01T13:06:07 < zyp> and then partly because you've got multiple planes
2016-03-01T13:06:22 < Lux> are there any arm socs in sip modules with ram/flas integrated you can actually buy ?
2016-03-01T13:06:40 < dongs> lux, whatever garbage CHIP used from allwhiner
2016-03-01T13:06:47 < Lux> semms like cool stuff, but only for the high volume market
2016-03-01T13:06:52 < dongs> but yeah, there's little SOM things in castellated-via PCBs
2016-03-01T13:06:58 < Lux> no, that's a huge tqfp thing
2016-03-01T13:07:02 < Lux> like the allwinner a10
2016-03-01T13:07:15 < dongs> no, their original shit was a module w/bga
2016-03-01T13:07:18 < dongs> then they switched to qfp.
2016-03-01T13:07:33 < dongs> https://aw-som.com/images/MOD-WIFI-BT-8723AS_sm.jpg
2016-03-01T13:07:33 < Lux> yeah, i got that one lying here
2016-03-01T13:07:34 < dongs> this kinda shit
2016-03-01T13:07:52 < Lux> yeah, that's what i'm looking for
2016-03-01T13:07:56 < dongs> https://aw-som.com/images/a20_sodimm_module.jpg
2016-03-01T13:08:05 < dongs> or this crap in DDR so-dimm form factor :)
2016-03-01T13:08:06 < dongs> etc.
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2016-03-01T13:08:15 < Lux> far too huge :)
2016-03-01T13:08:37 < dongs> http://www.cnx-software.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Iteadstudio_Ibox_board_top_large.jpg
2016-03-01T13:08:45 < dongs> the A10/A20 core thing.
2016-03-01T13:08:46 < dongs> yea big
2016-03-01T13:09:28 < Lux> http://www.princo.com.tw/www/module/download%20files/Computing%20SiP%20solution%20DM.pdf
2016-03-01T13:09:34 < Lux> that seems pretty neat
2016-03-01T13:09:57 < Lux> dunno if that's still active tough or available to buy
2016-03-01T13:10:16 < karlp> Lux: gumstix sells plenty too, so does http://www.acmesystems.it/
2016-03-01T13:10:22 < dongs> oyea gumstix
2016-03-01T13:10:24 < Lux> beagle bone black on a chip
2016-03-01T13:10:27 < dongs> their shit is pretty small
2016-03-01T13:10:39 < karlp> there's a wiki page with a list of som makers somewhere,
2016-03-01T13:10:46 < karlp> just depends how much you want to pay
2016-03-01T13:11:03 < karlp> if you're expecting it to be raspi cost, but som with docs, you might be a little dissapointed
2016-03-01T13:11:25 < karlp> http://www.variscite.com/imx6-soms?gclid=CJWP-patn8sCFcSRGwodhkwHmg
2016-03-01T13:11:31 < karlp> http://keith-koep.com/en/products/products-trizeps/trizeps-vii-features/?gclid=CKOJgpitn8sCFZadGwodtLsAfA
2016-03-01T13:11:42 < karlp> like, there's plenty, pick a soc, add "som" and search for it on google.
2016-03-01T13:12:45 < dongs> yea
2016-03-01T13:12:48 < karlp> http://elinux.org/Computer-on-Module for more
2016-03-01T13:13:14 < dongs> why is imx still around
2016-03-01T13:13:16 < dongs> its such aids
2016-03-01T13:13:25 < dongs> freescale should kill it off
2016-03-01T13:13:26 < Lux> why is it such aids ?
2016-03-01T13:13:36 < dongs> its just shit, also super buggy
2016-03-01T13:13:39 < Lux> you mean nxp
2016-03-01T13:13:41 < dongs> there's like 9000 pages of errata
2016-03-01T13:13:50 < Lux> iirc nxp bought freescale
2016-03-01T13:13:57 < dongs> well whoever bought whoever should kill it off
2016-03-01T13:13:58 < dongs> yes
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2016-03-01T13:14:49 < Lux> karlp: yeah, i allready did some searches on that
2016-03-01T13:15:44 < Lux> i'd just like it a size smaller than all those soms available, kinda like the arietta g25, but with a bit more horsepower
2016-03-01T13:16:00 < karlp> smaller, cheaper, faster...
2016-03-01T13:16:13 < karlp> gumstix has two of those...
2016-03-01T13:16:32 < karlp> if you want truly small, you shouldn't be looking at a SoM, because you ðll still need your own carrier board.
2016-03-01T13:16:39 < karlp> you don't get to have two cakes ;)
2016-03-01T13:16:51 < Lux> right :)
2016-03-01T13:16:57 < Lux> annoying requirements
2016-03-01T13:18:06 < dongs> whats this for
2016-03-01T13:18:08 < dongs> shitty quadcopter?
2016-03-01T13:19:00 < Lux> if it ever gets finished
2016-03-01T13:19:21 < Lux> yep, shitty quadcopter
2016-03-01T13:19:31 < dongs> jesus you stiull havent started monetizing that shit?
2016-03-01T13:19:38 < dongs> just set looptime to zero and morons will pile in droves to buy it
2016-03-01T13:19:58 < Lux> cleanflight retards
2016-03-01T13:20:23 < Lux> it's aiming for another market with even dumber customers
2016-03-01T13:20:39 < Lux> if that's even possible :)
2016-03-01T13:22:14 < Lux> btw the origin gps supplier still had a nofly zano drone at their booth at the embedded world 2016
2016-03-01T13:24:17 < Lux> that thing actually looks pretty neat: http://www.variscite.com/products/system-on-module-som/cortex-a9/dart-mx6-cpu-freescale-imx6
2016-03-01T13:24:53 < Lux> same size as the arietta
2016-03-01T13:25:17 < dongs> ya imx is non-starter
2016-03-01T13:25:22 < dongs> i'd rather take some chink chip
2016-03-01T13:25:23 < dongs> or broadcum
2016-03-01T13:25:28 < dongs> lux, wat about RPI cm
2016-03-01T13:25:57 < dongs> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-compute-module-new-product/ still too big?
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2016-03-01T13:27:28 < Lux> i wonder if they also make it with the 2836 or 2837
2016-03-01T13:27:32 < dongs> no they dont
2016-03-01T13:27:43 < dongs> cuz those are not PoP
2016-03-01T13:27:52 < dongs> and no space for sdram on that module cuz they're newbs @ routing
2016-03-01T13:28:46 < Sync_> meh, idk, the imx is not too bad
2016-03-01T13:33:59 < Lux> right that PoP stuff
2016-03-01T13:34:15 < Lux> is that really so hard/expensive to manufacture ?
2016-03-01T13:34:42 < dongs> no, its cheaper
2016-03-01T13:34:50 < dongs> but its up to SoC manufacturer to make it or not
2016-03-01T13:35:11 < Lux> but you probably need >10k units or so to get it manufactured right ?
2016-03-01T13:35:19 < dongs> you mean assembly?
2016-03-01T13:35:22 < dongs> no assembly doenst do anything  extra
2016-03-01T13:35:27 < Lux> yeah
2016-03-01T13:35:30 < dongs> you plop the chip down, then dram on top of it
2016-03-01T13:35:33 < dongs> and reflow both at once
2016-03-01T13:35:55 < Lux> so putting the ram chip on top is not like super critical ?
2016-03-01T13:35:59 < dongs> no
2016-03-01T13:36:09 < dongs> it will do same thing as reflow on slightly inaccurately placed parts
2016-03-01T13:36:18 < dongs> it'll pull itself into place once the solder is melted
2016-03-01T13:36:26 < Lux> makes sense
2016-03-01T13:38:17 < karlp> instead of rpi compute, rpi zero?
2016-03-01T13:38:33 < dongs> yeah but you cant use it on anything
2016-03-01T13:38:35 < Lux> just a guy told me that PoP stuff is hard to make, that's why i ask
2016-03-01T13:38:40 < karlp> imx shit isn't the end of the world is it really?
2016-03-01T13:38:50 < karlp> imx23 looked kinda shit, but imx6 is fucking everywhere
2016-03-01T13:39:06 < karlp> well supported, even if it has errata, at least you have the sheets and the errata, unlike bcm
2016-03-01T13:39:43 < dongs> hjeh
2016-03-01T13:41:02 < Steffanx> Should have used freelancer.com for routing job
2016-03-01T13:46:53 < dongs> they probably did
2016-03-01T13:46:55 < dongs> thats why its shit
2016-03-01T13:47:02 < dongs> all of rageberry routing is awful
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2016-03-01T14:06:14 < dekar__> At least they didn't use 30 layers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHqN6CTOdzA
2016-03-01T14:13:00 < dekar__> crt, me too. We've designed in some DC-DC bricks like that recently, and I also wondered about the structure.
2016-03-01T14:15:22 < dekar__> Though I had assumed they'd have more layers.
2016-03-01T14:44:34 < Sync_> crt: ti has some appnotes sharing the gerbers
2016-03-01T14:49:14 < dongs> lol fucking aquarium air pump
2016-03-01T14:49:16 < dongs> waht ghetto shit
2016-03-01T14:50:20 < dongs> k bbl
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2016-03-01T16:19:33 < emeb> so this morning I get an email from some rando asking me why my board designs don't use Rext as detailed in ST's AN2867.
2016-03-01T16:20:02 < emeb> "Someone on the Internet is WRONG!"
2016-03-01T16:20:15 < Steffanx> You linked him to zypsnips?
2016-03-01T16:20:43 < emeb> no - what does zyp have to say about that?
2016-03-01T16:21:07 < karlp> or fdopen remvoe for great glory iirc
2016-03-01T16:21:24 < Steffanx> Crystal-load-wisdom.txt emrb
2016-03-01T16:21:26 < Steffanx> Emeb
2016-03-01T16:21:46 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/crystal-load-wisdom.txt
2016-03-01T16:21:59 < emeb> yep.
2016-03-01T16:22:31 < emeb> I've never seen it used. I actually went through the calculations once for one of my xtals and it was such a small value that meh.
2016-03-01T16:23:30 < jpa-> bah.. i opened that to learn the truth behind Rext, and instead i find my own ramblings :F
2016-03-01T16:24:09 < emeb> One of my clients got all excited a few years back because a design I did for him didn't have it and he'd read all the docs and "oh ur doin' it rong".
2016-03-01T16:24:28 < emeb> I pointed out that none of ST's devboards used it. He shut up.
2016-03-01T16:24:47 < Steffanx> Hah jpa-
2016-03-01T16:25:38 < emeb> I could see that it might provide some reduction in power if you're doing an extremely low power design.
2016-03-01T16:25:40 < BrainDamage> if you're in that need of a precision reference you should be using a module anyway
2016-03-01T16:26:22 < emeb> Or if you're using some whacko crystal that breaks into overtone oscillations easily.
2016-03-01T16:29:07 < emeb> OTOH - wrt the loading caps. I've done a couple boards where the 2*Cl - parasitic rule of thumb failed.
2016-03-01T16:29:36 < jpa-> i can see the point of adding pads for Rext, yeah
2016-03-01T16:30:37 < emeb> I've seen this on STM32F405RGT6 parts - if you have an 18pf xtal and put in > ~25pf for the load caps then the oscillator starts very slowly or not at all. This prevents the USB DFU bootloader from starting.
2016-03-01T16:31:04 < emeb> Doesn't seem to happen on other family parts though.
2016-03-01T16:32:07 < englishman> weird, maybe they have an old revision oscillator
2016-03-01T16:32:10 < englishman> nothing in errata?
2016-03-01T16:32:17 < emeb> Not that I've seen.
2016-03-01T16:33:34 < karlp> http://community.silabs.com/t5/Projects/JavaScript-on-the-EFM32/m-p/162259?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRogs6nBZKXonjHpfsX67u0tWKK%2FlMI%2F0ER3fOvrPUfGjI4CTcFiI%2BSLDwEYGJlv6SgFTLPBMbNsz7gOXBg%3D#U162259?utm_source=communitynewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=feb2016
2016-03-01T16:33:38 < karlp> low power javascript :)
2016-03-01T16:35:02 < lorenzo> espruino lol
2016-03-01T16:35:21 < karlp> does the job, what's the lol?
2016-03-01T16:36:40 < lorenzo> javascript is always lol
2016-03-01T16:36:56 < karlp> oh ok then, just so I know .)
2016-03-01T16:36:59 < lorenzo> no idea why people still bother with that
2016-03-01T16:37:02 < emeb> node.js is badass rockstar tech!
2016-03-01T16:38:35 < lorenzo> eh, javascript on the server side
2016-03-01T16:38:43 < lorenzo> as in "we were too dumb to use a real language"
2016-03-01T16:41:40 < karlp> so, what's "real" in your book then?
2016-03-01T16:41:54 < emeb> real men program entirely in assembly.
2016-03-01T16:42:14 < lorenzo> bah, assembly
2016-03-01T16:42:19 < lorenzo> I use a needle and flip bits directly
2016-03-01T16:42:29 < emeb> +256
2016-03-01T16:42:29 < lorenzo> by making little incisions on the disk
2016-03-01T16:45:03 < Laurenceb_> havascript
2016-03-01T16:45:05 < Laurenceb_> nooooooo
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2016-03-01T16:48:45 < Laurenceb_> node.js
2016-03-01T16:48:48 < Laurenceb_> whyyyyyyyyyyy
2016-03-01T16:48:55 < Sync_> because pro
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2016-03-01T16:49:10 < Laurenceb_> still better than ruby on rails
2016-03-01T16:49:25 < emeb> where did that name even come from?
2016-03-01T16:49:30 < emeb> it's like a self-parody.
2016-03-01T16:50:36 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr60sd80EZk
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2016-03-01T17:04:42 < qyx> "no, we aint recommending no 10meg spi mac+phy combos numbnuts."
2016-03-01T17:04:43 < qyx> lol
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2016-03-01T17:41:27 < Laurenceb_> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/01/article-1334617-09741E2B000005DC-420_468x286.jpg
2016-03-01T17:45:12 < Sync_> wat happen there
2016-03-01T17:47:26 < ReadError> step up your link game
2016-03-01T17:47:30 < ReadError> unfunny, boring
2016-03-01T17:47:44 < ReadError> probably some UK person nobody has heard of
2016-03-01T17:48:01 < Steffanx> Yankeelander.
2016-03-01T17:48:08 < Laurenceb_> political banner was too long, caught in rotors or something
2016-03-01T17:48:12 < Steffanx> He is well know in europeland
2016-03-01T17:49:50 < Steffanx> That guy has great speeches, mr ReadError
2016-03-01T17:51:07 < ReadError> isnt that super old too?
2016-03-01T17:51:20 < Laurenceb_> yup but super lul
2016-03-01T17:51:38 < Laurenceb_> dunno how he got out so unhurt
2016-03-01T17:51:50 < Laurenceb_> liveleak material
2016-03-01T17:52:52 < aandrew>  Laurenceb_> political banner was too long, caught in rotors or something
2016-03-01T17:52:53 < aandrew> 'lol
2016-03-01T17:53:18 < Laurenceb_> he was trying to hoist it in front of TV crew aiui
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2016-03-01T18:00:15 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0aWs9cSHz8
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2016-03-01T18:01:59 < Laurenceb_> lul 2:20
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2016-03-01T18:14:34 < Sync_> SAP
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2016-03-01T18:21:29 < ReadError> http://qz.com/627467/china-just-announced-one-of-the-largest-single-layoffs-in-history/
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2016-03-01T18:27:03 < Laurenceb_> I subcontract to Oracle
2016-03-01T18:30:39 < englishman> I like partkeepr
2016-03-01T18:35:04 < qyx> tle law never gets old
2016-03-01T18:37:03 < qyx> "need microprocessor expert for M68HC12"
2016-03-01T18:37:04 < qyx> huh
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2016-03-01T18:43:20 < englishman> oh neat, new releases of partkeepr
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2016-03-01T19:36:51 < kakimir> motorsled is fine tow for rc glider
2016-03-01T19:37:27 < kakimir> driving reverse seated
2016-03-01T19:40:24 < kakimir> rest in pieces glider
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2016-03-01T21:47:42 < Laurenceb_> http://cishetwhiteoppressor.tumblr.com/post/139926326526/so-im-not-coming-back
2016-03-01T21:47:52 < Laurenceb_> the comments
2016-03-01T21:47:55 < Laurenceb_> "OH SHIT."
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2016-03-02T00:54:00 < Laurenceb_> lol everyone from ED is in jail http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/31/pro-incest-campaigner-who-downloaded-bart-simpson-porn-jailed-for-nine-months-4851781/
2016-03-02T01:00:25 < Laurenceb_> that was their "picture of the now" on the front page for a while
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2016-03-02T01:43:31 < Laurenceb_> address of ST 3 axis magno is 0x3D
2016-03-02T01:43:38 < Laurenceb_> very clever ST, very clever
2016-03-02T01:47:20 < Sync_> kek
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2016-03-02T04:01:03 < jadew> R2COM, I don't think so, but you can just open up VS and attach to an existing process
2016-03-02T04:01:40 < jadew> if you want to start the process from the debugger you'll have to create a project and set it as the target (in the debug settings)
2016-03-02T04:02:14 < jadew> you'll want the IDE anyway, don't you want to go through the source as you're stepping through?
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2016-03-02T04:12:14 < Laurenceb_> murica gut trumped
2016-03-02T04:15:41 < dongs> dongs
2016-03-02T04:18:17 < Laurenceb_> freaking ADS1298 makes me rage
2016-03-02T04:18:28 < Laurenceb_> costs best part of $100 yet is a massive pita
2016-03-02T04:22:43 < Laurenceb_> it'd be nice if they had simple advice for wtf to do it leads can fly off at any moment
2016-03-02T04:23:17 < Laurenceb_> all the "right leg drive" common mode shit looks like its inevitably going to fail horribly
2016-03-02T04:23:30 < Laurenceb_> I'm going to have to SPICE the whole system at this rate :S
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2016-03-02T04:28:58  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2016-03-02T04:30:52 < dongs> dongs
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2016-03-02T04:35:48 < dongs> no, you = pumper
2016-03-02T04:36:48 < dongs> not much. about to start freelancing
2016-03-02T04:37:08 < dongs> got forwarded a dickstarter url
2016-03-02T04:37:11 < dongs> from my contact at ITE
2016-03-02T04:37:20 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/389985205/bacon-and-cheese-may-the-source-be-with-you
2016-03-02T04:37:52 < dongs> >  By delivering true 5Hz ~ 200KHz sound quality that is absolutely perfect for vinyl
2016-03-02T04:39:07 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/415/781/6dabd3b5d124f1677a78d8a9b2f09ac9_original.png?v=1456307052&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&lossless=true&s=c0bdca94077620eb31c85fcd66c3c5a1
2016-03-02T04:39:47 < aandrew> "wifi can can only play up to CD quality" *snorts*
2016-03-02T04:40:00 < jadew> R2COM, yeah
2016-03-02T04:40:58 < aandrew> I think that's the first kickstarter I've seen that is trying to cater to audiophoolss
2016-03-02T04:42:08 < aandrew> an $800 headphone amp and a $600 transciever
2016-03-02T04:43:24 < jadew> isn't that THD shit?
2016-03-02T04:43:37 < jadew> 0.1% that's what... 30 dB?
2016-03-02T04:44:40 < aandrew> yeah it's orcad
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2016-03-02T04:48:26 < jadew> does anyone have this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381524162351
2016-03-02T04:48:55 < dongs> totally something I keep around my  house
2016-03-02T04:49:01 < dongs> for random times when I just wanna spotweld somethin
2016-03-02T04:49:10 < jadew> heh
2016-03-02T04:50:30 < jadew> I'm tempted to build one myself
2016-03-02T04:50:43 < aandrew> Never used one
2016-03-02T04:50:53 < aandrew> could see the use with batteries though
2016-03-02T04:51:06 < jadew> and other stuff
2016-03-02T04:51:11 < jadew> you can join sheet metal
2016-03-02T04:51:16 < jadew> easily
2016-03-02T04:55:27 < dongs> just told the ITE guy not a single audiophile would buy that shit with 0.1%THD
2016-03-02T04:55:44 < dongs> even a shitty TI DAC is like 0.001%
2016-03-02T04:56:49 < dongs> oh okay
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2016-03-02T04:59:26 < jadew> why are people still using tubes tho?
2016-03-02T04:59:32 < jadew> aside from the wank factor
2016-03-02T04:59:42 < jadew> is there a real reason to use them?
2016-03-02T04:59:51 < dongs> no of course not
2016-03-02T04:59:52 < dongs> just wank
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2016-03-02T05:56:41 < dongs> 4L V8, haha
2016-03-02T05:56:45 < dongs> are you in a hurry or something
2016-03-02T05:56:53 < dongs> like 5km/l
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2016-03-02T05:57:58 < dongs> 7.6km/l i was close
2016-03-02T05:58:01 < dongs> and t hats bullshit numbers
2016-03-02T05:58:06 < dongs> so 5 is probably much closer to what it gets
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2016-03-02T07:00:16 < dongs> how does this compare to pb / nanopb https://github.com/lcm-proj/lcm/tree/master/lcm-lite
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2016-03-02T07:11:13 < wbraun> so is software divide supported on cortex m-0 (stm32f051) ?
2016-03-02T07:11:32 < wbraun> It seems there is no reason that software divide should not be supported
2016-03-02T07:11:48 < wbraun> but I am hitting the fault handler
2016-03-02T07:12:05 < wbraun> no hardware divide on the cortex M0
2016-03-02T07:13:24 < wbraun> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0475c/Chdifaha.html
2016-03-02T07:13:47 < wbraun> “real time division is not available in the libraries for Cortex-M1 or Cortex-M0”
2016-03-02T07:14:09 < wbraun> that seems to imply that software divide is not supported for some reason?
2016-03-02T07:14:33 < dongs> wut
2016-03-02T07:14:46 < dongs> no it just means M0 has no hardware divide instruction
2016-03-02T07:14:51 < dongs> which is known fact
2016-03-02T07:14:57 < wbraun> I understand that
2016-03-02T07:15:13 < wbraun> but that page seems to be talking about a library?
2016-03-02T07:15:13 < dongs> read the rest of the text
2016-03-02T07:15:16 < dongs> yes
2016-03-02T07:15:20 < dongs> there's a dsp/something lib
2016-03-02T07:15:22 < dongs> thats in cmsis
2016-03-02T07:15:25 < dongs> its that one.
2016-03-02T07:15:57 < dongs> arm_math.h probably
2016-03-02T07:16:28 < dongs> anyway the point is they don't have a "fast but OK" version of divide
2016-03-02T07:16:49 < dongs> for M0/M1.
2016-03-02T07:17:06 < dongs> just has regular long style division that "can take up to 96 cycles"
2016-03-02T07:19:55 < wbraun> right now my program is hiting a hard fault when it hits the divide
2016-03-02T07:19:59 < wbraun> so something is wrong
2016-03-02T07:20:13 < wbraun> the aflags are set for M-0
2016-03-02T07:20:56 < wbraun> and lflags
2016-03-02T07:26:52 < dongs> you sure youre not just dividing by zero ro somethign
2016-03-02T07:27:12 < dongs> did  you check asm and make sure its not emitting M3 hardware divide?
2016-03-02T07:29:59 < wbraun> I checked I was not dividing by 0
2016-03-02T07:30:13 < wbraun> I have not checked the assembly yet
2016-03-02T07:30:30 < wbraun> I must have an issue with my makefile?
2016-03-02T07:30:37 < dongs> no idea, i just use keil
2016-03-02T07:30:42 < dongs> choose M0, no carsh on divide
2016-03-02T07:34:13 < wbraun> no what on divide?
2016-03-02T07:39:00 < dongs> crash, nigger.
2016-03-02T07:39:05 < dongs> i mean if y ou couldnt figure that out from context
2016-03-02T07:47:21 < dongs> < wbraun> I must have an issue with my makefile?
2016-03-02T07:47:23 < dongs> im guessing: no
2016-03-02T07:56:30 < wbraun> oh, its not an actually “no crash on divide” option. Thats what I thought you were implying.
2016-03-02T07:58:15 < PeterM> crt you made a typo
2016-03-02T07:59:17 < PeterM> * crt gets out the rubber dick    - fixt
2016-03-02T08:00:20 < PeterM> nah
2016-03-02T08:00:39 < PeterM> i just know autocorrect
2016-03-02T08:01:35 < PeterM> no, oyu wikk go to SPED
2016-03-02T08:01:50 < PeterM> you will go to SPED*
2016-03-02T08:03:02 < lorenzo> ##stm32 is where you go from div by 0 to dildo in a matter of seconds
2016-03-02T08:04:26 < PeterM> <lorenzo> ##LotR is where you go from div by 0 to Bilbo in a matter of seconds      -  fixt
2016-03-02T08:04:30 < jpa-> wbraun: well, M0 having no divide it has no div-by-0 :)
2016-03-02T08:04:45 < PeterM> no hardware divide*
2016-03-02T08:05:11 < jpa-> yeah
2016-03-02T08:05:16 < jpa-> looks like i should have read the backlog
2016-03-02T08:06:16 < PeterM> i think all other Mx have hardware div, aside from fpga M1
2016-03-02T08:07:18 < dongs> M0 doesnt?
2016-03-02T08:08:06 < PeterM> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-M#Instruction_sets
2016-03-02T08:08:08 < PeterM> nope
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2016-03-02T09:13:12 < lorenzo> let's all use stm8
2016-03-02T09:13:34 < PeterM> lets not
2016-03-02T09:13:48 < lorenzo> okay
2016-03-02T09:14:42 < lorenzo> jokes aside, it looks nice for what it costs. its even got DMA
2016-03-02T09:14:52 < PeterM> whats it cost ?
2016-03-02T09:15:22 < lorenzo> $0.8 a dev board
2016-03-02T09:15:45 < PeterM> too much
2016-03-02T09:16:15 < lorenzo> :(
2016-03-02T09:16:24 < lorenzo> I've got two here  but I gave up on the IDE
2016-03-02T09:16:26 < PeterM> http://www.icbase.com/PSEN/Product.aspx?X_ProId=119172&utm_source=supplyFrame&utm_medium=buyNow
2016-03-02T09:16:28 < lorenzo> it requires windows 2000, maximum
2016-03-02T09:16:56 < PeterM> http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/technologies/semiconductors/microcontrollers/32-bit/Pages/3038310-STM32F030F4P6.aspx?IM=0
2016-03-02T09:18:11 < lorenzo> PeterM: close, 0.57$ :p
2016-03-02T09:18:19 < lorenzo> not that they're comparable, but
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2016-03-02T09:25:44 < PeterM> stm8? may asell get our your zif dip socket and oyur z80
2016-03-02T09:34:39 < lorenzo> PeterM: let me hug you for no reason
2016-03-02T09:42:28 < dongs> stm8 is gr8
2016-03-02T09:42:34 < dongs> we can get some tsop20  thing for like 20c
2016-03-02T09:42:50 < dongs> using it as rc receiver and power standby switch for allwhiner A20
2016-03-02T09:42:55 < dongs> cuz that shit doesn't process IR while its in standby
2016-03-02T09:43:15 < dongs> er RC = IR
2016-03-02T09:43:16 < dongs> whatever
2016-03-02T09:43:41 < dongs> lorenzo: what IDE
2016-03-02T09:43:46 < dongs> STVD works on win10
2016-03-02T09:43:55 < dongs> and you can blag free cosmic 32k compiler for it
2016-03-02T09:44:10 < dongs> stvd = free
2016-03-02T09:44:13 < dongs> 32k cosmic = free
2016-03-02T09:44:14 < dongs> done
2016-03-02T09:44:22 < dongs> and if you have a STM8 with > 32k flash youre doing it wrong
2016-03-02T09:46:28 < lorenzo> dongs: just noticed there's a 1yr 32k license, I was using the 8k one lol
2016-03-02T09:46:34 < lorenzo> not that I've managed to fill 8k of code yet
2016-03-02T09:49:14 < dongs> oh
2016-03-02T09:49:22 < dongs> lorenzo: yeah but you can just renew it in a year
2016-03-02T09:49:26 < dongs> i think i did it liek 4 yeras in a row now?
2016-03-02T09:49:30 < dongs> they dont give a shit
2016-03-02T09:49:46 < dongs> its not like its evaulation or something
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2016-03-02T10:26:22 < jpa-> bah, downloading some TI eval kit software that takes a value from usb device and shows it on screen.. 50 MB
2016-03-02T10:29:09 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/51215664/mighty-streaming-music-without-your-phone haha
2016-03-02T10:29:22 < dongs> the circle of dumb is complete
2016-03-02T10:29:26 < dongs> they've reinvented 4gb mp3 player.
2016-03-02T10:30:13 < dongs> Memory:
2016-03-02T10:30:14 < dongs> 4GB SDRAM Flash Hard Drive and 500MB DDR3 SDRAM
2016-03-02T10:30:14 < dongs> err
2016-03-02T10:30:15 < dongs> what teh fuck
2016-03-02T10:31:19 < PeterM> i wouldn't mind a specific device jsut for podcasts, ie, long battery life, wifi, big storage, small size shitty everything else
2016-03-02T10:31:50 < PeterM> but at that point i may aswell get a cheap chinaphone and stick a xbox ghueg sdcard in it
2016-03-02T10:32:25 < dongs> Can Mighty sync with a laptop/computer?
2016-03-02T10:32:26 < dongs> No, Mighty can currently only be synced using an iOS (iPhone/iPad) or Android device. We want to make is as easy as possible to update your playlists, so we’ve completely done away with cords and computer. All you need is the Mighty mobile app installed on a smartphone and you’re good to go.
2016-03-02T10:32:31 < dongs> haha
2016-03-02T10:32:41 < dongs> so its a mp3 player that you cant actually copy  MP3s to from a computer
2016-03-02T10:32:43 < dongs> how practical
2016-03-02T10:32:46 < dongs> fuckign retards
2016-03-02T10:33:12 < PeterM> thats fuckign dumb
2016-03-02T10:34:48 < zyp> jpa-, low on disk space, or does your internet connection suck?
2016-03-02T10:35:01 < jpa-> zyp: both ;)
2016-03-02T10:35:27 < jpa-> also the download page said "please supervise this download progress until the end and then close the window" so i cannot do anything else now
2016-03-02T10:35:49 < zyp> I suspect it's a case of "bundle a huge runtime"
2016-03-02T10:36:19 < zyp> simple app, tens of megabytes of libs
2016-03-02T10:36:37 < dongs> kinda like... python apps
2016-03-02T10:37:17 < zyp> yeah, I've done that myself
2016-03-02T10:37:38 < zyp> wrapped up entire pyqt with py2exe
2016-03-02T10:37:58 < zyp> hmm, that was only 9.35MB though
2016-03-02T10:38:01 < jpa-> looks like it uses node.js
2016-03-02T10:38:08 < zyp> haha
2016-03-02T10:38:10 < dongs> what is
2016-03-02T10:38:12 < dongs> that mp3 player?
2016-03-02T10:38:16 < dongs> or TI shit
2016-03-02T10:38:22 < jpa-> yeah i've done similar, even wrapping whole gstreamer + glib + gtk + etc, i only got to 15 MB
2016-03-02T10:38:26 < jpa-> dongs: ti shit
2016-03-02T10:39:17 < zyp> idk, in general it's better than requiring the user to install dependencies separately
2016-03-02T10:39:47 < jpa-> yeah, on windows atleast
2016-03-02T10:39:50 < zyp> yeah
2016-03-02T10:40:00 < zyp> gets easier when you have a package manager
2016-03-02T10:40:03 < jpa-> and i provide such packages for linux also, in addition to the usual source / .deb etc.
2016-03-02T10:40:26 < jpa-> http://fpaste.dy.fi/zOk/disp   heh, found the open source credits; no wonder it is a bit bloat
2016-03-02T10:40:39 < jpa-> i guess they have some general dependencies blob they include with anything
2016-03-02T10:40:40 < lorenzo> bit.ly/1Y0kgyb
2016-03-02T10:40:46 < lorenzo> has a display too
2016-03-02T10:41:18 < zyp> jpa-, haha, wow
2016-03-02T10:41:33 < jpa-> lorenzo: heh, i have one of those, crappiest thing ever :)
2016-03-02T10:42:11 < lorenzo> jpa-: did it catch fire yet?
2016-03-02T10:42:31 < jpa-> no, i actually disassembled it out of curiosity so it lost its battery:P
2016-03-02T10:42:45 < zyp> hey, dongs, I'd like to do another batch of arcin now
2016-03-02T10:43:50 < zyp> same everything as last time
2016-03-02T10:43:50 < PeterM> zyp jpa- i figure if you have all of your libs bundled and have all your apps stand alone, if its something you expect someone to downlaod a lot of not bundlign is a good idea, like if instead of st having a spreadsheet for clock generation they have an app, i would expect the person who is downlaoding hte clockconf app to probably be downlaoding a lot of other st apps sothey may aswell only downlaod the libs opnce, especially if the app is
2016-03-02T10:44:37 < jpa-> yeah, but which one will they download first? :)
2016-03-02T10:46:31 < PeterM> i agree, im sure you could work somethign out though, like an error message thats like "download the libs here *direct link* first"
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2016-03-02T10:47:45 < zyp> how do you bundle third party libs in a way that they can be shared between your apps, but won't conflict with other apps based on the same libs?
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2016-03-02T11:25:05 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Build-Custom-Electronic-Device-With/
2016-03-02T11:25:08 < dongs> yeah okay
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2016-03-02T11:29:57 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Anagrams-Game-using-PIC/
2016-03-02T11:29:59 < dongs> how about: no
2016-03-02T11:31:47 < dongs> haha that mp3 thing runs assdroid
2016-03-02T11:31:51 < dongs> thats why 512megs ram
2016-03-02T11:31:54 < dongs> fucking useless
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2016-03-02T11:34:12 < upgrdman> finally .cn has some decent weather. cold but tolerable.
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2016-03-02T11:34:50 < upgrdman> maybe this time i can walk around a bit and get to know the area
2016-03-02T11:34:50 < dongs> did they send y ou there again?
2016-03-02T11:34:53 < upgrdman> ya
2016-03-02T11:34:58 < dongs> where at
2016-03-02T11:35:03 < upgrdman> same, shanghai
2016-03-02T11:35:06 < dongs> ah right
2016-03-02T11:35:19 < dongs> tix so cheap. i should go on a date with chinagirl
2016-03-02T11:35:24 < PeterM> damn, can't even go to hk and go to casinos
2016-03-02T11:35:26 < dongs> i wonder how much local flight from shanghai to sz
2016-03-02T11:35:33 < dongs> probly liek $10
2016-03-02T11:35:34 < upgrdman> sz?
2016-03-02T11:35:38 < dongs> shitzen
2016-03-02T11:35:44 < dongs> i.e wehre all teh fun shit is
2016-03-02T11:35:52 < upgrdman> shenzhen?
2016-03-02T11:35:54 < dongs> ya
2016-03-02T11:37:12  * upgrdman starts flipping those his collection of pdfs on learning chinese
2016-03-02T11:37:18 < dongs> laff
2016-03-02T11:37:19 < dongs> fuck learning it
2016-03-02T11:37:21 < dongs> just give up
2016-03-02T11:37:23 < upgrdman> i am so fucking screwed
2016-03-02T11:37:25 < upgrdman> ya
2016-03-02T11:37:25 < dongs> unless you have some rason to know it
2016-03-02T11:37:31 < dongs> which you don't
2016-03-02T11:37:38 < upgrdman> well i would like to be able to talk to people when im here
2016-03-02T11:37:42 < dongs> japanese is pretty awful but chinese is 10x more so
2016-03-02T11:37:53 < upgrdman> other than my coworkers, since most of them speak english
2016-03-02T11:38:07 < dongs> isnt that what an egg is
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2016-03-02T11:38:32 < upgrdman> crt, lol. i've never had any problems with the locals.
2016-03-02T11:38:37 < upgrdman> very nice people in general.
2016-03-02T11:38:44 < PeterM> crt whats wrong with that, goes well with beer
2016-03-02T11:38:47 < upgrdman> different culture, but nice people.
2016-03-02T11:40:50 < lorenzo> dongs: that looks like homework
2016-03-02T11:41:00 < lorenzo> I've seen people asking on freelancer to do their Cisco / networking homework
2016-03-02T11:41:08 < lorenzo> I mean there's always some indian who can do that for 5$
2016-03-02T11:41:11 < dongs> oh sure
2016-03-02T11:41:22 < dongs> ya, pic32 shit is most likely homework i didnt evne clickit
2016-03-02T11:41:24 < dongs> just pasted cuz zano
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2016-03-02T11:42:58 < dongs> he's an innovation machine
2016-03-02T11:42:59 < dongs> im sure
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2016-03-02T11:54:10 < dekar_> dongs, I'm not sure if coming over is that good of an idea. A restaurant I went to recently: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/IMG_20160206_172222.jpg
2016-03-02T11:55:27 < dongs> free dog?
2016-03-02T11:55:30 < dekar_> For those who can't read it, it says something along the lines of: "Filipinos, Japanese and dogs aren't allowed in."
2016-03-02T11:55:52 < ReadError> lol
2016-03-02T11:56:57 < zyp> haha
2016-03-02T11:57:08 < dekar_> dongs, I guess you could always pretend to be Korean. Even taxis regularly refuse to transport Japanese.
2016-03-02T11:57:25 < dongs> dekar_: lol nice
2016-03-02T11:57:34 < dongs> oh, right
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2016-03-02T11:57:48 < dongs> i can sorta see "japanese" on the left side.
2016-03-02T11:58:18 < dongs> retweeting to chinagirl
2016-03-02T11:59:02 < zyp> dongs, did you see my tweet about arcin?
2016-03-02T11:59:29 < dongs> oh no
2016-03-02T11:59:45 < dongs> < zyp> hey, dongs, I'd like to do another batch of arcin now
2016-03-02T11:59:49 < dongs> didnt get highlighted
2016-03-02T11:59:51 < dongs> cuz dongs wasn't in front
2016-03-02T11:59:54 < zyp> figured
2016-03-02T11:59:55 < dongs> i see it now.
2016-03-02T12:00:04 < dongs> i'll submit pcb tomrorow.
2016-03-02T12:00:11 < zyp> cool
2016-03-02T12:01:21 < zyp> I'm also gonna do another nfc protorun as soon as I get around to fix the design
2016-03-02T12:01:46 < dongs> sure
2016-03-02T12:01:47 < dekar_> The racism is quite bad, the worst I've encountered so far. I've met some military guy who kept going on how much he wants to kill some Japanese. On the other hand he praised me for being German and was proud to tell me the engines of their ships come from our country. They don't seem to understand that Germany and Japan were allies. XD
2016-03-02T12:01:48 < zyp> and probably volume as soon as that's confirmed working
2016-03-02T12:02:54 < dongs> cool
2016-03-02T12:02:59 < zyp> need to get the VNA to pay for itself :p
2016-03-02T12:04:01 < dekar_> But hey, let's all meet in CN. :)
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2016-03-02T12:24:23 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/GPS-Tracking-Device-With-Cellular/
2016-03-02T12:24:26 < dongs> haha
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2016-03-02T12:32:26 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Manufacturing/Manufacture-Product-for-9822033/
2016-03-02T12:33:52 < PeterM> roject Deleted
2016-03-02T12:33:53 < PeterM> The project you are looking for has been deleted by the user.
2016-03-02T12:33:55 < PeterM> ?
2016-03-02T12:37:16 < dongs> haha
2016-03-02T12:37:17 < dongs> that was fast
2016-03-02T12:37:25 < dongs> Project Description
2016-03-02T12:37:26 < dongs> i want to jonb at a post of electronic engineeer manufacturing job
2016-03-02T12:37:26 < dongs> About the employer (0 Reviews) India
2016-03-02T12:37:46 < PeterM> wot
2016-03-02T12:37:56 < PeterM> wow
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2016-03-02T13:30:57 < qyx> it happens, 2 of 5 my recent bids were deleted
2016-03-02T13:33:08 < qyx> "The transmitted TCP packet should contain latitude, longitude, speed, altitude and time"
2016-03-02T13:33:11 < qyx> wat
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2016-03-02T13:53:01 < dongs> qyx, its a gps logger
2016-03-02T13:54:13 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/High-Altitude-High-Range-Remote.html attn Lt_Lemming
2016-03-02T13:54:16 < dongs> attn Laurenceb ^
2016-03-02T13:54:18 < dongs> err
2016-03-02T13:54:23 < dongs> ah i ts a repost
2016-03-02T13:54:24 < dongs> lol
2016-03-02T13:54:24 < Lt_Lemming> lol
2016-03-02T13:54:27  * Lt_Lemming applauds
2016-03-02T13:54:32 < Lt_Lemming> well done dongs :-P
2016-03-02T13:54:34 < dongs> they're not gonna get that shit done for $750
2016-03-02T13:54:38 < dongs> Lt_Lemming: sorry ^_^
2016-03-02T13:54:43 < Lt_Lemming> tis fine
2016-03-02T13:54:59 < Lt_Lemming> baleted
2016-03-02T13:55:20 < Lt_Lemming> I think maybe $750 was a typo?
2016-03-02T13:55:30 < dongs> you mean missing a zero?
2016-03-02T13:55:35 < dongs> or two
2016-03-02T13:56:42 < dongs>  The proposal shall be submitted before February 19th 5pm ET. The proposal shall be limited to 10 pages and shall include the following:
2016-03-02T13:56:46 < dongs> they're a little late there.
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2016-03-02T13:58:43 < Lt_Lemming> lol
2016-03-02T13:59:43 < Lt_Lemming> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Graphic-Design/bitcoin-generator-website-software-that/ <--- lol!
2016-03-02T14:00:04 < dongs> haha
2016-03-02T14:00:11 < dongs> all that and for $30
2016-03-02T14:00:29  * Lt_Lemming nods
2016-03-02T14:05:09 < qyx> high ltitude remote deleted too
2016-03-02T14:05:14 < dongs> huh?
2016-03-02T14:05:15 < dongs> already?
2016-03-02T14:05:21 < dongs> ah
2016-03-02T14:05:23 < dongs> it got reposted again tho
2016-03-02T14:05:27 < dongs> he must have edited somethign
2016-03-02T14:06:26 < qyx> it is not in my project feed
2016-03-02T14:06:33 < qyx> which skill does he require?
2016-03-02T14:06:38 < qyx> *s
2016-03-02T14:06:40 < Lt_Lemming> he deleted it
2016-03-02T14:06:52 < qyx> the reposted one
2016-03-02T14:07:05 < Lt_Lemming> oh, missed that
2016-03-02T14:08:17 < dongs> qyx, the usual shit.
2016-03-02T14:08:17 < dongs> High Altitude High Range Remote Control Transmitter and Receiver
2016-03-02T14:08:17 < dongs> Electrical Engineering, Electronics, Engineering, PCB Layout, Telecommunications Engineering
2016-03-02T14:08:20 < dongs> Introduction ZalNearSpace, LLC is inviting individuals and small businesses to submit a proposal in response to the below solicitation. This Request for Proposal (RFP) is open...
2016-03-02T14:08:26 < dongs> it got reposted again AND deleted again
2016-03-02T14:08:27 < dongs> i duno
2016-03-02T14:08:31 < dongs> maybe he found the february thing
2016-03-02T14:08:48 < Lt_Lemming> linky linky?
2016-03-02T14:08:56 < dongs> its gone now
2016-03-02T14:08:59 < dongs> both it and repost
2016-03-02T14:09:35 < Lt_Lemming> maybe he grew a clue!
2016-03-02T14:09:50 < Lt_Lemming> (No Billy, that's just puberty, we'll talk about that later)
2016-03-02T14:11:00 < qyx> hopefully they will fly something into near space on the third attempt
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2016-03-02T14:12:40 < dongs> qyx, they want 24km altitude and 30km range
2016-03-02T14:12:50 < qyx> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Opto-Sensor-Schematics-for-BLDC/
2016-03-02T14:12:52 < qyx> whats that
2016-03-02T14:13:03 < qyx> I have never seen a BLDC with opto sensors
2016-03-02T14:13:22 < dongs> hah
2016-03-02T14:13:24 < dongs> wlel
2016-03-02T14:13:30 < dongs> i heard on ebikes hall stuff is kinda hard
2016-03-02T14:13:33 < dongs> cuz it gets gummed up with trash
2016-03-02T14:13:38 < dongs> but I dont see how optical wil lsolve that any better
2016-03-02T14:13:48 < dongs> if anything it'll be worse :)
2016-03-02T14:13:58 < dongs> qyx, its basicalyl same shit as hall sensors for positioning?
2016-03-02T14:14:37 < Lt_Lemming> opto would be get in a magnetically noisy environment
2016-03-02T14:14:55 < Lt_Lemming> or in the presence of fouling materials
2016-03-02T14:15:06 < Lt_Lemming> but sifn't just do sensorless?
2016-03-02T14:16:55 < lorenzo> lol it looks like they're always the same 4-5 guys who bid on this crap
2016-03-02T14:17:34 < lorenzo> the pakistani guy with terrorist beard, the russian bear and the other indian who couldn't bother uploading a profile pic
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2016-03-02T14:30:22 < dongs> yea there's liek 10 pro irc EEs on there
2016-03-02T14:30:25 < dongs> but all the projects rae garbage
2016-03-02T14:30:44 < dongs> the 3 f un ones i wouldnt mind working on, and I've bid appropriately on all got closed without acceptance of anyone
2016-03-02T14:30:50 < dongs> so they probly hired some paki off-site
2016-03-02T14:33:25 < zyp> haha
2016-03-02T14:34:21 < zyp> I can't see freelancer as anything else than a site for shitty customers to hire shitty developers
2016-03-02T14:34:43 < zyp> can't imagine there's much quality stuff coming out of any projects there
2016-03-02T14:36:07 < dongs> yeah
2016-03-02T14:43:26 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Hardware-debugging-PCB-Design-using/ attn R2PRO
2016-03-02T14:46:11 < englishman> honeypot by orcad anti piracy dept
2016-03-02T14:46:17 < dongs> haha
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2016-03-02T14:51:36 < zyp> heh
2016-03-02T14:56:13 < karlp> dongs: you can toss your FLIR stuff now, getit on your phone instead! http://www.catphones.com/en-gb/news/press-releases/cat-s60-announced-as-worlds-first-smartphone-with-integrated-thermal-camera
2016-03-02T14:57:43 < Sync_> Lt_Lemming: well, the guys are not pro enough to do sensorless FOC
2016-03-02T14:58:08 < Lt_Lemming> ...?
2016-03-02T14:58:12 < Lt_Lemming> oh
2016-03-02T14:58:37 < Lt_Lemming> karlp, it's a FLIR sensor
2016-03-02T14:58:45 < Lux> they could still just clone vesc and be done with it
2016-03-02T14:58:53  * Lt_Lemming nods
2016-03-02T14:59:06 < Lt_Lemming> I have a slightly insane project in mind involving 4 VESC's
2016-03-02T15:02:32 < dongs> karlp: er yeah its a shitty flir lepton
2016-03-02T15:02:49 < dongs> nothanks
2016-03-02T15:02:52 < dongs> thermapp is fuckign amaze
2016-03-02T15:03:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/otWqU3v.jpg ttp://i.imgur.com/XS6CUHu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ji1Z3MG.jpg
2016-03-02T15:03:26 < dongs> etc
2016-03-02T15:05:45 < Lt_Lemming> kitty's charging his lazers
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2016-03-02T15:10:38 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcez5pcp55w fucking cnlohr
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2016-03-02T15:52:25 < englishman> ha is that the range testing guy
2016-03-02T15:52:28 < englishman> thats pretty neaet
2016-03-02T15:52:33 < dongs> yeah
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2016-03-02T15:59:17 < zyp> I noticed yesterday that my new phone supports charging other devices over usb
2016-03-02T15:59:47 < zyp> "how to use usb" menu had both "charge from usb" and "charge connected device"
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2016-03-02T16:00:05 < dongs> OTG thing?
2016-03-02T16:00:10 < zyp> usb-c
2016-03-02T16:00:44 < zyp> I saw this when I had my phone plugged into my car, so I guess that's going to come in handy when the car battery doesn't have enough power left to get me home :p
2016-03-02T16:01:25 < zyp> usb-c is pretty cool actually
2016-03-02T16:01:34 < zyp> so far the connector seems solid as fuck
2016-03-02T16:01:47 < zyp> by far better than micro
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2016-03-02T16:02:43 < zyp> and they do away with all the various bullshit between A, B and AB shit
2016-03-02T16:02:54 < englishman> what phone?
2016-03-02T16:03:02 < zyp> nexus 5x
2016-03-02T16:03:57 < zyp> only disadvantage is that you need a bunch of new cables to get compatibility with old shit
2016-03-02T16:04:19 < zyp> but new shit can use all type-c to type-c cables
2016-03-02T16:04:21 < dongs> <zyp> I can't use my SDR dongle anymore, needs new cable
2016-03-02T16:04:27 < zyp> wat
2016-03-02T16:04:32 < zyp> haha
2016-03-02T16:04:46 < zyp> nexus 4 didn't even have full OTG support, so I've never used that as host
2016-03-02T16:04:55 < englishman> ^ stupid google
2016-03-02T16:05:00 < zyp> but nexus 5x only came with a type-c to type-c cable
2016-03-02T16:05:16 < zyp> so I needed to buy an A to C cable to charge it in the car
2016-03-02T16:05:32 < englishman> still no sd card tho right
2016-03-02T16:05:49 < zyp> correct
2016-03-02T16:06:03 < zyp> I never missed that on the nexus 4 either
2016-03-02T16:06:27 < dongs> yeah wtf is sdcard good for on a phone
2016-03-02T16:06:37 < dongs> its for making calls and playing desert golf
2016-03-02T16:06:42 < dongs> you dont need sdcard for either activity
2016-03-02T16:06:43 < englishman> 4k camera
2016-03-02T16:06:48 < zyp> maybe if you need to bring more than 32GB of porn on a flight without internet
2016-03-02T16:06:55 < englishman> who wants 16gb on phone thats like :30 of video
2016-03-02T16:06:56 < zyp> or something
2016-03-02T16:06:59 < dongs> shitty 4K camera
2016-03-02T16:07:03 < zyp> haha
2016-03-02T16:08:05 < englishman> even shitty old phone has 16mp camera
2016-03-02T16:08:10 < englishman> thats like 2mb per photo
2016-03-02T16:08:20 < englishman> 16gb means 8gb os
2016-03-02T16:08:36 < dongs> i see the problem
2016-03-02T16:08:36 < englishman> and i have so many selfies phone is full and i have to delete stuff manuakyl
2016-03-02T16:08:41 < dongs> you're trying to use a phone as something it's not
2016-03-02T16:08:47 < englishman> like a scrub with moto razr in 2002
2016-03-02T16:09:21 < englishman> right cameraphone doesnt exist yet
2016-03-02T16:09:58 < artag> what do you want selfies for ? don't you know what you look like already ?
2016-03-02T16:10:47 < zyp> I only use phone cam if I want to snap a quick pic of something and don't have a real cam handy
2016-03-02T16:12:40 < englishman> also if i want to look at gobro video on a screen
2016-03-02T16:12:46 < englishman> take out sd card -> put in phonoe
2016-03-02T16:14:00 < BrainDamage> you can use usb cables or external reader for that
2016-03-02T16:14:12 < englishman> this is <current year> tho
2016-03-02T16:14:27 < BrainDamage> wifi then
2016-03-02T16:14:35 < englishman> slow and lores
2016-03-02T16:14:59 < artag> buy a camera with a built-in screen ?
2016-03-02T16:15:46 < englishman> yes cameras without screens are not cheap popular and/or common and i must carry around additional screens besides the one in my pocket
2016-03-02T16:15:49 < englishman> all excuses
2016-03-02T16:16:01 < englishman> to not adding a 10c sd card cage and connecting 7 traces to chip
2016-03-02T16:17:40 < BrainDamage> i prefer sds too because i use my phone as "slow" long term storage i can carry everywhere, and sds allow to swap
2016-03-02T16:17:54 < englishman> yeah this is great
2016-03-02T16:17:58 < englishman> 128gb sd card so cheap
2016-03-02T16:18:10 < artag> that's not the cost. The cost is that if you have an sd card, people will expect them to work on their pc. So you have to pay MS to use a post-FAT filing system
2016-03-02T16:18:37 < artag> the change to PTP etc. is so that you don't have to support NTFS
2016-03-02T16:18:46 < artag> or extended-name FAT
2016-03-02T16:19:12 < dongs> ????????????
2016-03-02T16:19:26 < englishman> im sure exfat licensing fee is well hiddin in the $600 phone cost
2016-03-02T16:19:47 < BrainDamage> android uses a os abstraction protocol like mtp or ptp to transfer data to pc so that the underlying fs is hidden
2016-03-02T16:20:04 < artag> exactly
2016-03-02T16:20:05 < zyp> my gobro does wifi, streaming vid from the cam worked well enough last I tried IIRC
2016-03-02T16:20:20 < BrainDamage> but there's also the not so small advantage is that when you mount the filesystem, the os isn't lock out ....
2016-03-02T16:20:31 < artag> the phone doesn't cost $600, it costs $150 at the factory gates
2016-03-02T16:20:31 < BrainDamage> which is fucking ridicolous too in <current year>
2016-03-02T16:21:05 < englishman> assdroid is all about preventing sd card usage to boost use of google cloud services
2016-03-02T16:21:06 < dongs> MTP is also fucking garbage
2016-03-02T16:21:13 < BrainDamage> yeah
2016-03-02T16:21:17 < zyp> what's really ridiculous is that MTP is the best usb file system protocol invented so far
2016-03-02T16:21:37 < dongs> its insanely bloated too
2016-03-02T16:21:41 < artag> and yet doesn't appear to support <generic file>
2016-03-02T16:21:43 < dongs> i think it even uses XML
2016-03-02T16:22:03 < BrainDamage> mtp is utter shit, i had a creative zen player like 10 years ago which used it, and the same shortcomings it had back then are still present
2016-03-02T16:22:11 < BrainDamage> so the protocol didn't improve one least bit
2016-03-02T16:22:17 < dongs> thats cuz it hasnt changed in 10 years
2016-03-02T16:22:23 < dongs> try deleting 5000 files from DCIM through MTP
2016-03-02T16:22:27 < dongs> it will take *YEARS*
2016-03-02T16:22:36 < dongs> like it gets slower after each file
2016-03-02T16:22:41 < zyp> it's a shame there's not a decent standard plain filesystem over usb protocol with ubiquitous support
2016-03-02T16:22:51 < dongs> ya zyp, maybe you should write something
2016-03-02T16:23:07 < dongs> i bet some lunix fagots will map it into fuse or some other shit pretty quick
2016-03-02T16:23:34 < zyp> like, the best solution kinda seems to be to do usb networking and run a network fs over that
2016-03-02T16:23:40 < dongs> heh
2016-03-02T16:23:53 < artag> the problem is that <dumb user> expects it to work with windows. And MS don't want to open the door to a popular fs that they don't collect any fees for. So no solution.
2016-03-02T16:24:09 < dongs> artag, youre full of shit
2016-03-02T16:24:12 < BrainDamage> ^
2016-03-02T16:24:17 < artag> is that not true ?
2016-03-02T16:24:23 < dongs> name one "popular fs" that windows doesn't support
2016-03-02T16:24:27 < dongs> that would resolve this problem we're discussing
2016-03-02T16:24:38 < artag> ntfs ?
2016-03-02T16:24:45 < englishman> haha zyp the flir dose that
2016-03-02T16:24:48 < englishman> ethernet over usb
2016-03-02T16:24:49 < dongs> ? you can mount ntfs on block level from 2 places read-write?
2016-03-02T16:24:59 < zyp> englishman, and smb on top of that, or what?
2016-03-02T16:25:01 < artag> meh, i mean nfs
2016-03-02T16:25:19 < artag> or indeed afs
2016-03-02T16:25:20 < dongs> i forgot what it does, but it just runs WiNCE
2016-03-02T16:25:34 < englishman> zyp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNDIS
2016-03-02T16:25:48 < dongs> and rndis over usb or wahetver. you can ping it and ftp into it
2016-03-02T16:26:03 < zyp> rndis is just MS' usb networking
2016-03-02T16:26:14 < dongs> it does mount a SD card as a drive
2016-03-02T16:26:19 < dongs> when you plug it in
2016-03-02T16:26:23 < zyp> I was just wondering what they do for FS on top
2016-03-02T16:26:25 < dongs> RNDIS is another option that can be enabled
2016-03-02T16:26:35 < dongs> zyp, jsut regular fat/whatever when its not networking mode.
2016-03-02T16:26:57 < englishman> zyp: iirc it was ftp :)
2016-03-02T16:27:01 < zyp> haha
2016-03-02T16:27:16 < zyp> I mean, I guess that works too
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2016-03-02T17:03:37 < dongs> are there any boost regs that can do 12V from lipo reliably?
2016-03-02T17:06:51 < dongs> looks like I need around 3W, so 5W or something should be enough
2016-03-02T17:09:31 < dongs> hm wat these dicks want me to use USB_C
2016-03-02T17:13:16 < dongs> http://newsroom.intersil.com/2016-02-17-Intersil-Ships-Industrys-First-USB-C-Buck-Boost-Battery-Charger
2016-03-02T17:13:19 < dongs> ooOOooOOoo
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2016-03-02T17:15:44 < dongs> thats pretty fucking great, exceptprobably $10 and not buyable
2016-03-02T17:16:49 < englishman> uh price is right in the article
2016-03-02T17:17:08 < Laurenceb> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/High-Altitude-High-Range-Remote.html
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2016-03-02T17:17:14 < Laurenceb> they need to check my github
2016-03-02T17:17:23 < dongs> englishman: did you think i read that far?
2016-03-02T17:17:36 < dongs> The ISL9237 buck-boost battery charger is available now in a 4mm x 4mm, 32-lead QFN package and priced at $3.50 USD in 1k quantities.
2016-03-02T17:17:39 < dongs> wut
2016-03-02T17:17:42 < englishman> ctrl f $
2016-03-02T17:17:42 < dongs> well, it surely isnt avilable anywhere that i checked
2016-03-02T17:17:45 < dongs> rite
2016-03-02T17:18:21 < dongs> avnet has it listed @ 1.67 @ 10k
2016-03-02T17:18:44 < dongs> would rather just get from someone not JEWISH
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2016-03-02T17:37:37 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/linear-technology/LTC4020IUHF%23PBF/LTC4020IUHF%23PBF-ND/4490517
2016-03-02T17:37:41 < dongs> > $12
2016-03-02T17:37:41 < dongs> gtfo
2016-03-02T17:41:46 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/Kauf7CZ
2016-03-02T17:42:24 < dongs> >sundaysport
2016-03-02T17:42:54 < Laurenceb> best newspaper
2016-03-02T17:43:22 < Taxman> dongs: For me, memories come up of those reflex-charger-chips in the 90es...
2016-03-02T17:44:07 < dongs> Taxman: yea im gonna need something a bit more from 2015/16
2016-03-02T17:44:30 < qyx> what the hell
2016-03-02T17:44:35 < qyx> the remote is deleted again
2016-03-02T17:44:42 < dongs> which?
2016-03-02T17:44:46 < qyx> 16:17 < Laurenceb> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/High-Altitude-High-Range-Remote.html
2016-03-02T17:44:50 < dongs> haha
2016-03-02T17:45:07 < Laurenceb> they must have found my github
2016-03-02T17:59:36 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/c8deOCX
2016-03-02T17:59:55 < dongs> please do
2016-03-02T18:00:33 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/0BFmwhz
2016-03-02T18:02:04 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/qa8Dx5I
2016-03-02T18:05:14 < dongs> is that a funny on make america great
2016-03-02T18:05:40 < dongs> i guess it is.
2016-03-02T18:05:49 < gxti_> > implying anything Laurenceb posts is funny
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2016-03-02T18:59:25 < qyx> jpa-: nanopb related, do you like that travis CI?
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2016-03-02T19:09:04 < kakimir> I need quality power adapter for my laptop
2016-03-02T19:09:10 < kakimir> 19V and 2A
2016-03-02T19:09:10 < qyx> ebay it
2016-03-02T19:09:24 < qyx> 2A? is it enough?
2016-03-02T19:09:34 < kakimir> current one is
2016-03-02T19:09:56 < kakimir> propably for battery charge
2016-03-02T19:10:33 < kakimir> because the thing itself almost powers itself from smell of electricity
2016-03-02T19:10:33 < zyp> wat? 38W?
2016-03-02T19:10:50 < zyp> wtf kind of laptop only needs 38W?
2016-03-02T19:11:06 < kakimir> makes sense.. max power around 13W or so and 25W for charge
2016-03-02T19:11:45 < zyp> what model?
2016-03-02T19:12:00 < kakimir> ux305ca
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2016-03-02T19:16:01 < zyp> laptop specs says 45W
2016-03-02T19:16:40 < kakimir> 2.37A supply
2016-03-02T19:17:17 < kakimir> they propably had some 2A supply and then they just.. "let's round it to 2.37A"
2016-03-02T19:17:27 < kakimir> or 2.5A supply
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2016-03-02T19:20:35 < kakimir> when I connect my phone for charge and when phone is 100% supply starts periodic noise as phone does periodic sustenance charges
2016-03-02T19:20:56 < kakimir> whii - whii - whii - whii
2016-03-02T19:29:45 < jpa-> qyx: haven't really used it much; most stuff is still in jenkins
2016-03-02T19:29:55 < jpa-> qyx: someone contributed the travis ci stuff for python3 testing
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2016-03-02T19:42:20 < qyx> I wonder how hard would it be to make automatically compiled arm binaries with travis ci
2016-03-02T19:42:27 < qyx> I should try
2016-03-02T19:43:17 < englishman> dont see why not, i know several projects that do
2016-03-02T19:45:22 < Getty> on travis there is always the good tactic of making a prepared tgz of the env
2016-03-02T19:45:40 < Getty> so you make a travisconf thats only job is to compile and .tgz an environment, that you then upload from the travis somewhere
2016-03-02T19:45:52 < Getty> then you make your project travis fetching this .tgz unpacking it and using it for testing
2016-03-02T19:46:13 < Getty> that way you escape the timeout problem for whatever env you want, they do have identical identical machines
2016-03-02T19:48:36 < qyx> downloading gcc-arm-embedded tgz should be enough I suppose
2016-03-02T19:49:06 < qyx> if it is able to run there properly
2016-03-02T19:49:22 < Getty> well if not, you would have no problem compiling your own and storing this .tgz
2016-03-02T19:51:24 < qyx> yep
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2016-03-02T19:53:31 < Getty> when i was trying to make a postgis travis setup i had todo it cause all the sub libraries have to be also in specific version compiled with other specific versions of libs to be "recent"
2016-03-02T19:53:41 < Getty> it was a horror.....
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2016-03-02T20:22:14 < owl-v-> not flashing :( ---> http://pastebin.com/37d5DFrN
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2016-03-02T20:46:27 < PaulFertser> owl-v-: why are you using .bin instead of .elf?
2016-03-02T20:46:56 < PaulFertser> owl-v-: also, what size is stm32f4_blink.bin ?
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2016-03-02T22:02:21 < Getty> raspberry 3 in hand, no idea how to differ that from the others 8-)
2016-03-02T22:03:14 < Getty> wow and QA from 2 days ago
2016-03-02T22:07:15 < Steffanx> easy Getty
2016-03-02T22:07:23 < Steffanx> the leds are somewhere else
2016-03-02T22:07:27 < Steffanx> is a antenna now
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2016-03-02T22:07:50 < Steffanx> *an
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2016-03-02T22:21:47 < Steffanx> Didn't you add support for F0 to the bmp zyp? Or was that l0?
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2016-03-02T22:23:38 < Steffanx> oh the code is in F1, nevermind
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2016-03-02T22:38:38 < BrainDamage> laurenceb-grade link: https://twitter.com/katienotopoulos/status/705121840361029633?s=09
2016-03-02T22:41:15 < Steffanx> Thank you
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2016-03-02T22:50:09 < kakimir> I lost the game
2016-03-02T22:50:35 < Steffanx> What game mr kakimir?
2016-03-02T22:50:56 < kakimir> the game?
2016-03-02T22:51:04 < Steffanx> -_-
2016-03-02T22:51:12 < Steffanx> Why i even bothered
2016-03-02T22:51:23 < kakimir> I remember when I was a teenager and got totally looped by the game
2016-03-02T22:52:01 < kakimir> use the google
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2016-03-02T22:59:09 < kakimir> http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/10600000/rules-you-lost-the-game-10676805-450-360.jpg
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2016-03-02T23:01:42 < Steffanx> I don't play
2016-03-02T23:02:14 < kakimir> me neather.. I wonder what was wrong with me when I was young
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2016-03-02T23:02:47 < Steffanx> was wrong? :P
2016-03-02T23:03:08 < kakimir> kekekek :]
2016-03-02T23:03:29 < aandrew> wtf is that game shit
2016-03-02T23:03:38 < aandrew> sounds like some teen bullshit
2016-03-02T23:03:55 < kakimir> it is
2016-03-02T23:05:22 < kakimir> also 2005
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2016-03-03T00:46:06 < Laurenceb_> so c# guy turns up at work and gets desk next to mine
2016-03-03T00:46:12 < Laurenceb_> he's from Iran
2016-03-03T00:46:34 < Laurenceb_> 5 minutes after I first met him "my friend, do you like to swing both ways?"
2016-03-03T00:47:20 < Laurenceb_>  "here I'll show you my adultwork account, its good part time job"
2016-03-03T00:47:52 < Laurenceb_>  c# guy is part time ladyboy
2016-03-03T00:48:24 < Sync_> o_0
2016-03-03T00:49:04 < Laurenceb_> me: "sorry I'm not into that sort of thing"
2016-03-03T00:49:26 < Laurenceb_> him: "oh ok.... so do you know where to pick up cheapest girls in this city?"
2016-03-03T00:51:50 < Laurenceb_> now I know why they have morality police in Iran
2016-03-03T00:53:16 < Laurenceb_> <edmoore> 'Understanding of Control theory' and 'Working knowledge of i2c' in the same list is amusing
2016-03-03T00:53:17 < Laurenceb_> <edmoore> a bit like 'must be able to bring back the dead' and 'holds driving license'
2016-03-03T00:53:19 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-03T01:02:03 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/nRJjlkw
2016-03-03T01:09:15 < Laurenceb_> this  http://jobs.getstartedhq.com/getstarted-job-board/ideas/621019?utm_content=buffer04532&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
2016-03-03T01:39:09 < jadew> what is adultwork?
2016-03-03T01:39:29 < Laurenceb_> google is your friend
2016-03-03T01:39:31 < Laurenceb_> nsfw
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2016-03-03T01:41:10 < jadew> is there anything free on that site?
2016-03-03T01:41:49 < Laurenceb_> lolno
2016-03-03T01:42:01 < Laurenceb_> you pay for access to holes, or sell yours
2016-03-03T01:42:36 < jadew> yeah, doesn't seem like my kind of site
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2016-03-03T01:46:30 < jadew> well, that's kind of an odd second job for a programmer
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2016-03-03T01:47:17 < jadew> you'd guess that he'd have enough money to buy himself all the pussy/dick he wants, when he wants it
2016-03-03T01:47:50 < jadew> unless he really really likes to suck dick, because I can't imagine a lot of women using these services
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2016-03-03T01:50:06 < jadew> tbh, I don't know why men use them either, in my expeirence willing partners are easy to come by
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2016-03-03T02:13:12 < Laurenceb_> yeah he seems to like to suck dick going from his account
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2016-03-03T02:17:21 < Laurenceb_> https://archive.is/8QBXg
2016-03-03T02:22:24 < Laurenceb_> too much  channing
2016-03-03T02:32:32 < dongs> sup doges
2016-03-03T02:32:38 < dongs> i see crt is pumping again
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2016-03-03T02:58:17 < Laurenceb_> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/d/da/Caramel_onions.jpg/400px-Caramel_onions.jpg
2016-03-03T02:59:10 < dongs> Laurenceb_: whats the point
2016-03-03T02:59:39 < Laurenceb_> trolling
2016-03-03T03:14:27 < dongs> hm so yeah
2016-03-03T03:14:36 < dongs> still looking for a nice all in one lipo charger/powerpath
2016-03-03T03:20:17 < Lux> those bq parts are no good ?
2016-03-03T03:20:32 < Lux> i used the bq24075 once
2016-03-03T03:22:23 < Lux> it does temperature monitoring and you can disconnect the load from the battery
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2016-03-03T03:27:15 < dongs> eh thats linear
2016-03-03T03:27:17 < dongs> ive used that too
2016-03-03T03:27:24 < dongs> this time i need something with a but more oomph
2016-03-03T03:27:35 < dongs> its like 10-20Ah cell
2016-03-03T03:27:41 < dongs> so i dont wanna charge it for half a year
2016-03-03T03:27:48 < Lux> so switchmode stuff
2016-03-03T03:27:51 < dongs> ya
2016-03-03T03:30:09 < Lux> what do you need such huge cells for ?
2016-03-03T03:30:13 < Lux> ebike stuff ?
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2016-03-03T03:33:26 < Lux> heh, usb friendly and charge currents up to 10A http://www.ti.com/product/bq24618
2016-03-03T03:36:52 < dongs> 2 cell
2016-03-03T03:36:58 < dongs> fale
2016-03-03T03:37:03 < Laurenceb_> why all in one??
2016-03-03T03:37:13 < Laurenceb_> I just use BQ24080 or whatever then a SEPIC
2016-03-03T03:37:25 < dongs> Laurenceb_: beacuse i want it to work
2016-03-03T03:37:32 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2016-03-03T03:37:36 < Laurenceb_> works fine for me
2016-03-03T03:38:08 < dongs> Stand-Alone Charge Controller to Support 1 to 6
2016-03-03T03:38:08 < dongs> Li-Ion or Li-Polymer Battery Cells
2016-03-03T03:38:15 < dongs> o wait, i guess 1 cell will work too
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2016-03-03T03:46:01 < dongs> lotsa parts needed for it
2016-03-03T03:51:37 < Laurenceb_> what the hell are you doing
2016-03-03T03:51:53 < Laurenceb_> http://www.ti.com/product/BQ24080
2016-03-03T03:52:04 < Laurenceb_> use it on all my stuff
2016-03-03T03:56:58 < Lux> dongs: that part does 1 cell too
2016-03-03T03:57:02 < Lux> single cell right there
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2016-03-03T04:00:11 < Lux> i guess you won't find anything >3A with hardly any external components
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2016-03-03T04:34:41 < ColdKeyboard> Hello! I'm trying to light a LED  with PWM on STM32F072 Nucleo board. I used CubeMX to generate code and I'm using channel 1 of timer1
2016-03-03T04:34:58 < ColdKeyboard> However whatever period I set or change pulse to, the LED still doesn't light up. :\
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2016-03-03T04:35:46 < ColdKeyboard> Here is the Timer1 init I have -> http://pastie.org/10745684
2016-03-03T04:36:28 < ColdKeyboard> Or just use 4 lemons in series and light the LED that way, then I don't even need a battery
2016-03-03T04:38:14 < owl-v-> PaulFertser: .elf, .bin how are they differ?  and compiler output (size) -> http://pastebin.com/8PaSbDpQ
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2016-03-03T04:57:06 < timemob> sup dongs
2016-03-03T05:09:23 < timemob> just get Apple watch
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2016-03-03T05:15:31 < englishman> You can get it in the same colour as your Mercedes, and it will depreciate at the same rate.
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2016-03-03T05:18:06 < timemob> what color is that? "gay"?
2016-03-03T05:18:47 < timemob> or glossy white rage
2016-03-03T05:21:03 < timemob> sounds like you work with a bunch of fags
2016-03-03T05:21:35 < timemob> bbl
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2016-03-03T07:28:36 < PaulFertser> owl-v-: elf files have plenty of metadata, bin files are assumed to be raw binary data. Now I'm sure that your ld script is wrong, it apparently maps your .text segment to 10000000 which doesn't correspond to flash on stm32. Also, you shouldn't specify any offset when using elf files.
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2016-03-03T08:05:43 < dongs> zyp, confirm that I'm making like 112 arcin?
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2016-03-03T08:20:40 < wbraun> I am still having issues getting divide working with a cortex-M0
2016-03-03T08:21:06 < wbraun> looking at the assembly it is branching to __aeabi__idiv
2016-03-03T08:21:14 < wbraun> then it hits a hard fault and hangs
2016-03-03T08:21:17 < dongs> thats integer division
2016-03-03T08:21:22 < dongs> and are you sure youre not dividing by zero?
2016-03-03T08:21:26 < jpa-> wbraun: step instruction-by-instruction to see where it crashes
2016-03-03T08:21:32 < wbraun> yep, set a breakpoint right before it
2016-03-03T08:21:39 < wbraun> and checked the values passed into it
2016-03-03T08:21:53 < jpa-> you can debug inside __aeabi__idiv also, you even have the source
2016-03-03T08:22:08 < wbraun> so thats what I am curious about / think might be wrong
2016-03-03T08:22:16 < wbraun> What / where is that?
2016-03-03T08:22:19 < wbraun> its a GCC thing?
2016-03-03T08:22:32 < dongs> yes
2016-03-03T08:22:34 < wbraun> the internet is telling me something about some gcc standard library?
2016-03-03T08:22:58 < dongs> he just ragequit
2016-03-03T08:23:03 < dongs> after you told him
2016-03-03T08:23:31 < wbraun> so where should I be able to find libgcc.a and how do I include it in my make file?
2016-03-03T08:24:00 < wbraun> Is this something I have to manually extract or can I locate it relative to the path of the gcc version I am using?
2016-03-03T08:24:19 < wbraun> none of the example makefiles for stm32 I can find online seem to include this
2016-03-03T08:24:51 < dongs> its part of gcc
2016-03-03T08:25:06 < jpa-> yeah, comes from libgcc
2016-03-03T08:25:12 < jpa-> usually you don't have debug symbols offhand
2016-03-03T08:25:58 < jpa-> unless it comes from newlib..
2016-03-03T08:26:08 < dongs> can you reduce this to like 3 liens of code?
2016-03-03T08:26:28 < wbraun> also, why am I not getting any errors at compile time?
2016-03-03T08:26:30 < dongs> int main(void) { int a = 14; int b = 88; int c = a / b; } ?
2016-03-03T08:26:42 < dongs> and see if it still crashes
2016-03-03T08:27:13 < jpa-> maybe volatile int c to make it not get optimized out
2016-03-03T08:27:23 < jpa-> wbraun: errors about what?
2016-03-03T08:27:41 < wbraun> about __aeabi__idiv not being defined or something
2016-03-03T08:27:45 < dongs> er
2016-03-03T08:27:48 < dongs> its defined
2016-03-03T08:27:50 < dongs> its in teh lib.
2016-03-03T08:27:58 < dongs> if it jumps to it and crashes there, clearly its being defined.
2016-03-03T08:29:29 < jpa-> https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/blob/bd3f0a53c07086e978ea4ec00e10a20e4a969c40/libgcc/config/arm/lib1funcs.S#L1112   here is the idiv
2016-03-03T08:29:49 < jpa-> wbraun: if you are using gdb,   display /i $pc   then use   stepi   to step until it crashes
2016-03-03T08:31:23 < jpa-> considering it doesn't seem to access memory much, i would think your stack pointer is crappy
2016-03-03T08:32:32 < wbraun> so I typie “display /i $pc” ?
2016-03-03T08:33:29 < wbraun> it hitting the reset handler
2016-03-03T08:33:50 < jpa-> after tracing it up to the crash, you may want to pastebin the log
2016-03-03T08:34:20 < emeb_mac> i hate it when I pause execution in gdb and it's in the default handler with no viable stack trace.
2016-03-03T08:34:32 < emeb_mac> seems to happen 90% of the time.
2016-03-03T08:34:59 < jpa-> yeah, gdb's stack tracing from interrupts seems awfully fragile
2016-03-03T08:35:04 < dongs> opensoresproblems
2016-03-03T08:35:19 < jpa-> i usually just x /16xw $sp and then info address 0x08000xxx
2016-03-03T08:36:06 < emeb_mac> that almost made sense
2016-03-03T08:36:24  * emeb_mac is not a gdb power user
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2016-03-03T08:37:41 < wbraun> hurm, GCC is showing aeabi_idiv_from_thumb
2016-03-03T08:37:44 < wbraun> which is bad
2016-03-03T08:37:53 < wbraun> Cortex-M0 is not thumb
2016-03-03T08:38:05 < wbraun> or is ti?
2016-03-03T08:38:21 < wbraun> oh wait, it is
2016-03-03T08:39:40 < wbraun> so it looks like it is makign its way to the routine and shitting itself in the middle of it
2016-03-03T08:40:00 < jpa-> so stepi until it shits :)
2016-03-03T08:40:40 < wbraun> http://pastebin.com/JXSBWDN3
2016-03-03T08:44:16 < wbraun> stc2 is a coprocessor instruction?
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2016-03-03T08:49:05 < wbraun> so that implies that something is horribly wrong
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2016-03-03T08:53:49 < wbraun> so is it pulling the wrong version of aeabi_idiv?
2016-03-03T08:54:02 < wbraun> Also I can not find where aeabi_idiv is defined
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2016-03-03T09:09:10 < jpa-> wbraun: which gcc toolchain are you using?
2016-03-03T09:09:50 < jpa-> (also, wtf is bx pc)
2016-03-03T09:10:12 < jpa-> _from_thumb seems like it is including some ancient non-armv7m libgcc
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2016-03-03T09:28:22 < wbraun> I am using arm-none-eabi-gcc jpa-
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2016-03-03T09:29:27 < jpa-> wbraun: there are plenty of differences between different build options of that; where did you get yours from?
2016-03-03T09:29:37 < jpa-> (i'd recommend launchpad arm gcc embedded)
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2016-03-03T09:30:19 < wbraun> A makefile from a friend
2016-03-03T09:30:34 < wbraun> I was using it for a STM32F334, then I modified it for the 051
2016-03-03T09:30:51 < jpa-> so most likely it is a broken build
2016-03-03T09:30:54 < jpa-> lacks multilib or something
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2016-03-03T09:31:03 < wbraun> multilib?
2016-03-03T09:31:14 < jpa-> support for multiple cpu archs in single gcc build
2016-03-03T09:31:23 < jpa-> without multilib it will only support one processor type
2016-03-03T09:31:25 < jpa-> https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded   try this
2016-03-03T09:31:53 < jpa-> (and no, of course it does not warn if it lacks support for a processor - that wouldn't be the gcc way)
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2016-03-03T09:34:33 < wbraun> gah! Stupid mistake
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2016-03-03T09:34:52 < wbraun> the tools I use for FPGA stuff overwrote my default gcc path
2016-03-03T09:35:12 < wbraun> and it uses some old/weird version of GCC that is out of date
2016-03-03T09:35:20 < wbraun> now I removed that and it seems to work
2016-03-03T09:35:24 < wbraun> thanks jpa-!
2016-03-03T09:35:31 < jpa-> :)
2016-03-03T09:36:31 < wbraun> the shitty FPGA tools cause me trouble even when I am not using FPGAs :P
2016-03-03T09:45:59 < zyp> dongs, confirmed
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2016-03-03T10:47:46 < dongs> zyp which ones are more used connectors
2016-03-03T10:47:51 < dongs> theres about 2K of 2P and 300 of 4P left
2016-03-03T10:48:21 < zyp> there's 2x2P on each board, so you'll only use a bit over 200 of those
2016-03-03T10:49:00 < zyp> there's 13x4P, so that's like 1500 total
2016-03-03T10:50:58 < dongs> ah
2016-03-03T10:51:02 < dongs> ok getting a bag
2016-03-03T10:53:18 < dongs> of 4P
2016-03-03T10:54:09 < dongs> qyx: high altitude remote is back https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/High-Altitude-High-Range-Remote-9828345/
2016-03-03T10:54:35 < dongs> i see why it was kept getting deleted
2016-03-03T10:54:38 < dongs> cuz it included emails in i t
2016-03-03T10:54:41 < dongs> this one doesnt ahve
2016-03-03T10:55:48 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/php/ChristianMingle-Checker/ yess
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2016-03-03T10:57:03 < zyp> wat
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2016-03-03T11:19:46 < qyx> heh, usa only
2016-03-03T11:20:33 < PeterM> Fat and single? Christian Mingle.
2016-03-03T11:22:23 < dongs> PeterM: did you see my tweet
2016-03-03T11:22:25 < dongs> wiht keyclones
2016-03-03T11:22:56 < dongs> retweeted again from real account
2016-03-03T11:22:58 < PeterM> yep thanks, jsut working out how many to get
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2016-03-03T11:23:20 < dongs> kk
2016-03-03T11:23:32 < dongs> wasnt sure cuz shit was dropping out every minute thanks japan advanced internet
2016-03-03T11:24:58 < PeterM> nah no worries
2016-03-03T11:25:19 < dongs> zyp, RBT6 ran out
2016-03-03T11:25:26 < dongs> can I sub with RCT6?
2016-03-03T11:26:00 < dongs> its actually ~cheaper
2016-03-03T11:26:03 < dongs> by .80
2016-03-03T11:26:08 < qyx> lol
2016-03-03T11:26:32 < dongs> supply and demand
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2016-03-03T11:30:48 < dongs> im gonna guess you dont mind
2016-03-03T11:31:50 < zyp> sure
2016-03-03T11:31:52 < PeterM> i think he'd pay the $100 or whatever and save a week waiting
2016-03-03T11:32:54 < dongs> lol, your parts list is liek $100 less this tiem zyp
2016-03-03T11:32:58 < dongs> emailing invoice.
2016-03-03T11:33:02 < zyp> nice
2016-03-03T11:35:08 < dongs> wait.
2016-03-03T11:35:10 < dongs> that one had mistake
2016-03-03T11:35:12 < dongs> sending nw one
2016-03-03T11:37:47 < zyp> ok, paid the last one
2016-03-03T11:39:20 < dongs> now you gotta think of waht to do wiht all that extra flash
2016-03-03T11:40:10 < zyp> haha
2016-03-03T11:41:23 < zyp> let's see, B got 128k, C got 256k
2016-03-03T11:41:40 < zyp> I'm probably using <32k
2016-03-03T11:41:45 < dongs> yeah
2016-03-03T11:41:50 < zyp> hmm
2016-03-03T11:42:06 < dongs> add in some buttcoin cracking code
2016-03-03T11:42:06 < zyp> newer firmware got config in a late sector, I think
2016-03-03T11:42:29 < zyp> so less would probably require a firmware change
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2016-03-03T11:42:32 < zyp> but should fit
2016-03-03T11:42:49 < dongs> less?
2016-03-03T11:42:54 < dongs> RC is *more* right?
2016-03-03T11:42:55 < dongs> so how is that a problem
2016-03-03T11:43:05 < zyp> it's not, I'm just thinking
2016-03-03T11:43:23 < zyp> I could probably fit everyting in R6
2016-03-03T11:43:48 < zyp> oh, they got less memory
2016-03-03T11:44:26 < zyp> hmm, R6/R8 looks pretty different actually
2016-03-03T11:44:40 < zyp> periph differences too
2016-03-03T11:45:26 < zyp> but I know RC works, that's what the first prototypes I assembled myself used
2016-03-03T11:46:19 < zyp> ah, config is in last sector of 128k
2016-03-03T11:50:42 < dongs> eh?
2016-03-03T11:50:43 < dongs> oh oaky
2016-03-03T12:04:39 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/php/Real-Time-Digital-Signal-Processing/
2016-03-03T12:04:40 < dongs> haha
2016-03-03T12:04:44 < dongs>  If you claim to be an expert in this field. There are some questions I will be asking you on your thought process, so only work with me if you know what is the project about. Stop telling me, you know you know, and you cannot even describe anything about this designing process. Our money is hard earn and we want to create a respect communication here.
2016-03-03T12:04:49 < dongs> looks like someone got burned a few times
2016-03-03T12:05:03 < dongs> I got $1040 in feelancer, I should probly withdraw it before they find out I'm actually a pro
2016-03-03T12:05:12 < dongs> i mean a newb
2016-03-03T12:08:36 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Programming-stm-controller-cortex/
2016-03-03T12:16:38 < owl-v-> thanks PaulFertser
2016-03-03T12:20:08 < PaulFertser> owl-v-: so, bad ld script it was? Where did you get it from?
2016-03-03T12:21:18 < jpa-> hmm, should make a bunch of github projects with subtly incorrect ld scripts.. things like dropping a byte or few
2016-03-03T12:28:23 < owl-v-> PaulFertser: I omitted address offset when flashing --> http://pastebin.com/KEjDCQu2
2016-03-03T12:28:56 < owl-v-> PaulFertser: I got it from http://gnuarmeclipse.github.io
2016-03-03T12:29:52 < PaulFertser> owl-v-: ok
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2016-03-03T12:50:00 < Jegeva> hello guys&gals, i have a problem with cpsid/cpsie intruction (memory barrier), i tough that after cpsie the pending interrupts would be managed but apparetnly they are not firing anymore, any idea why ?
2016-03-03T12:52:55 < jpa-> they should be
2016-03-03T12:54:55 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdzlqQVppMTVHQjQ/view?usp=sharing I wonder if I should go today again
2016-03-03T12:55:01 < kakimir> my arms are sore
2016-03-03T12:58:30 < Jegeva> jpa-: yeah i know, but they dont, at least now i know the understading is good...
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2016-03-03T13:26:37 < kakimir> ebay diodes.. any good?
2016-03-03T13:26:58 < kakimir> basic THT some few amperes and few hundred volts
2016-03-03T13:27:19 < kakimir> price - nothing
2016-03-03T13:31:05 < kakimir> I mean chinese selling diodes
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2016-03-03T13:41:31 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Design-BRD-PCB-Board/
2016-03-03T13:42:29 < lorenzo> what's to design?
2016-03-03T13:42:47 < lorenzo> sometimes I'd bid 5$ and win the stuff just out of curiosity :D
2016-03-03T13:43:42 < dongs> lorenzo: and do what
2016-03-03T13:43:46 < dongs> just troll them?
2016-03-03T13:44:06 < dongs> http://www.zmescience.com/research/technology/mosul-dam-engineers-03022016/
2016-03-03T13:44:10 < dongs> and nothing of value will be lost amirite?
2016-03-03T13:44:23 < kakimir> do you have obligation to deliver?
2016-03-03T13:44:26 < dongs> no
2016-03-03T13:44:31 < kakimir> sweet
2016-03-03T13:44:36 < lorenzo> I think you just get negative feedback
2016-03-03T13:44:53 < kakimir> freelancer is the pee
2016-03-03T13:44:59 < lorenzo> and I don't see why you'd care since it's an online profile, it's not that someone will come and punch you in the face ;o
2016-03-03T13:45:19 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/linzy1229.html?ref_project_id=9822386 theres chinks like this just trolling
2016-03-03T13:45:28 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/xRQWUYB.jpg
2016-03-03T13:45:32 < dongs> example of above account
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2016-03-03T13:46:42 < lorenzo> what we've got here is failure to communicate
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2016-03-03T13:50:50 < Sync_> watt dongs
2016-03-03T13:52:26 < PaulFertser> lorenzo: I think I saw some freelance job offers that required to come and physically punch a nasty freelancer in the face, and then send back photo-proofs. Paid in bitcoins.
2016-03-03T13:52:34 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Manufacturer-Needed-Microcontroller-USB/
2016-03-03T13:52:37 < dongs> what does this guy want
2016-03-03T13:53:31 < lorenzo> a card skimmer?
2016-03-03T13:53:39 < dongs> 400 is a bit much for one
2016-03-03T13:54:04 < dongs> he freelanced 53 things
2016-03-03T13:54:07 < dongs> on that site
2016-03-03T13:55:15 < lorenzo> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Excel/Excel-Graph-Professional-Easy-Quick/
2016-03-03T13:56:10 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32395200912.htmlhttp://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32395200912.html
2016-03-03T13:56:15 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32395200912.html
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2016-03-03T13:56:58 < lorenzo> photoshop troll
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2016-03-03T14:00:52 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Linux/Vivante-Etnaviv-GPU-driver-installation/
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2016-03-03T14:02:04 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/PCB-layout-design-9825669/ haha
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2016-03-03T14:55:36 < lorenzo> u having fun
2016-03-03T14:55:37 < lorenzo> :D
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2016-03-03T15:43:45 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_Stylites
2016-03-03T15:46:25 < Laurenceb_> still more productive than zano
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2016-03-03T16:50:57 < Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/10746392
2016-03-03T16:51:17 < Laurenceb_> What if he hasn't reached puberty yet? Does he get 72 Xboxes till he comes of age?
2016-03-03T16:51:18 < Laurenceb_> lolling
2016-03-03T16:52:00 < qyx> anyone knows of any pro-crypto channel?
2016-03-03T16:54:56 < zyp> ##nsa
2016-03-03T16:56:01 < Laurenceb_> lul
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2016-03-03T17:04:34 < qyx> meh
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2016-03-03T17:47:01 < Laurenceb_> ADS1298 sucks :-/
2016-03-03T17:47:25 < Laurenceb_> theoretically an ECG device should be able to work with 2 electrodes, def with 3
2016-03-03T17:48:19 < Laurenceb_> ADS1298 configuration control sucks so much its virtually impossible to do that with a muti electrode config :-/
2016-03-03T17:51:12 < englishman> just 2?
2016-03-03T17:51:24 < englishman> last time i got ecg there were like 12 sensors
2016-03-03T17:54:00 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats what I've got
2016-03-03T17:54:11 < Laurenceb_> 12 lead cable, but its going to fail pretty epically
2016-03-03T17:54:24 < Laurenceb_> you can measure differential voltage with 2 leads
2016-03-03T17:55:21 < Laurenceb_> but can ADS1298 do that in a reconfigurable way... not really
2016-03-03T17:58:08 < BrainDamage> i tought that medical ecgs were interested in the polarization vector because it rotates and you needed 3 to determine the direction and keep the ampplitude info because of the projection
2016-03-03T17:58:38 < Laurenceb_> sometimes
2016-03-03T18:00:02 < Laurenceb_> I think I can more or less make it work, but its going to get horrible complex
2016-03-03T18:00:05 < englishman> with ecg feedback you could drug horses mid race
2016-03-03T18:00:09 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-03T18:00:13 < englishman> keep their heartrate in line wiht adrenalin doses
2016-03-03T18:00:33 < Laurenceb_> need AC current injection and demodulation for "electrode health" monitoring
2016-03-03T18:01:41 < BrainDamage> do you have to add that stupid common mode feedback too for a horse?
2016-03-03T18:02:39 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-03-03T18:02:52 < Laurenceb_> thats the problem
2016-03-03T18:03:01 < Laurenceb_> if the common mode electrode fails its dead
2016-03-03T18:03:20 < Laurenceb_> luckily I can remap, so if it fails I'll have to remap to another electrode
2016-03-03T18:04:02 < Laurenceb_> then you need to use the "wilson central terminal" thing too as a negative input if you want to use the PGA with a decent gain and keep it stable
2016-03-03T18:04:17 < Laurenceb_> so that needs remapping and stuff on the fly as electrodes fail/come back
2016-03-03T18:04:21 < Laurenceb_> massive pita
2016-03-03T18:05:16 < BrainDamage> qyx: #gnupg perhaps
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2016-03-03T18:16:45 < Laurenceb_> how do I sign extend a 24 bit singed integer?
2016-03-03T18:17:03 < Laurenceb_> left shift, typecast and divide?
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2016-03-03T18:49:21 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/V5uBMO6 lul this is in my home city
2016-03-03T18:57:16 < jpa-> Laurenceb_: if (val24 & 0x800000) val24 |= 0xFF000000;
2016-03-03T18:57:30 < Laurenceb_> heh brute force
2016-03-03T18:57:40 < jpa-> nah, just coding exactly what "sign extend" means
2016-03-03T18:57:50 < jpa-> "copy the top bit to more bits"
2016-03-03T18:58:51 < Laurenceb_> yeah I guess
2016-03-03T19:00:29 < owl-v-> hm... I see MOVT instruction, but where is MOVW instruction?? -->https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-M
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2016-03-03T19:02:41 < owl-v-> like here --> https://community.arm.com/groups/processors/blog/2010/07/27/how-to-load-constants-in-assembly-for-arm-architecture
2016-03-03T19:04:29 < aandrew> yeah there are some interesting tricks with ARM since the opcodes are as wide as the data
2016-03-03T19:07:47 < owl-v-> funny, (MOV, MOVT) are pair :P   --> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0552a/BABDBAGE.html
2016-03-03T19:10:51 < Sync_> so Laurenceb_?
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2016-03-03T19:33:18 < Laurenceb_> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6ef_1457019586
2016-03-03T19:41:33 < Steffanx> must be fake.
2016-03-03T19:46:22 < englishman> Laurenceb_: plz increase post quality
2016-03-03T19:46:30 < englishman> quality is dangerously low atm
2016-03-03T19:46:56 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ has his end of winter depression.
2016-03-03T19:48:51 < lorenzo> https://i.imgur.com/Gh53REy.gifv
2016-03-03T19:48:56 < lorenzo> nigga went BANG
2016-03-03T19:49:35 < lorenzo> look at that groove left in the concrete by the rim
2016-03-03T19:49:46 < lorenzo> must be some serious pressure
2016-03-03T19:49:58 < aandrew> damn
2016-03-03T19:50:02 < aandrew> truck tires are under incredible pressure
2016-03-03T19:50:07 < aandrew> it's not 40psi like passenger cars
2016-03-03T19:50:12 < aandrew> it's upward of 100-150psi
2016-03-03T19:50:28 < Sync_> 6-9 bar
2016-03-03T19:52:36 < Sync_> they are handling a small bomb there :D
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2016-03-03T20:06:39 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/QtHFscE.gifv
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2016-03-03T20:09:54 < Sync_> wat
2016-03-03T20:14:45 < englishman> hahaha
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2016-03-03T23:08:37 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRGYxeGM5VTlkS2M/view?usp=sharing some old fashioned switch box
2016-03-03T23:09:35 < kakimir> took.. 6hours to make
2016-03-03T23:12:34 < kakimir> diodes for operating main solenoid
2016-03-03T23:14:21 < kakimir> receive some coins for it
2016-03-03T23:29:22 < Laurenceb_> got any coins m8
2016-03-03T23:29:57 < kakimir> 30euro cents m8
2016-03-03T23:30:13 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvRgYjHNQxc
2016-03-03T23:33:43 < kakimir> describe london Laurenceb_
2016-03-03T23:33:54 < kakimir> and if worth visit and how long?
2016-03-03T23:34:07 < Laurenceb_> dunno, expensive and boring if you ask me
2016-03-03T23:34:25 < Laurenceb_> loads of overhyped and stupid tourist attractions and stuff
2016-03-03T23:34:41 < kakimir> and tourists
2016-03-03T23:34:44 < Laurenceb_> only worth visiting for conference evens etc
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2016-03-03T23:35:59 < kakimir> it's huge
2016-03-03T23:36:14 < kakimir> and water of thames looks like shit
2016-03-03T23:36:26 < Laurenceb_> haha probably because it is
2016-03-03T23:36:37 < XTL> Still supposedly one of the cleanest rivers around
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2016-03-03T23:36:48 < XTL> silty perhaps
2016-03-03T23:36:49 < Laurenceb_> although they wait for after high tide to release the raw sewage
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2016-03-03T23:38:06 < kakimir> so much parks
2016-03-03T23:38:43 < kakimir> and everything is patterned with plants and roads in those
2016-03-03T23:39:04 < kakimir> and there is at least 2 palaces for one park
2016-03-03T23:39:34 < kakimir> and everything is named after royals
2016-03-03T23:42:09 < Laurenceb_> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5177095,-0.0655235,3a,66.8y,207.67h,97.58t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1svZrrzEP3dWYH5SBoz8OHxQ!2e0
2016-03-03T23:42:16 < Laurenceb_> there is something more suitable then
2016-03-03T23:45:35 < kakimir> cars are on wrong side of the road!
2016-03-03T23:50:07 < Laurenceb_> typical london residents https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sxeSjfC--Eg/maxresdefault.jpg
2016-03-03T23:51:46 < Laurenceb_> http://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/large.jpeg lul
2016-03-03T23:57:42 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/n/res/324912.html
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2016-03-04T00:16:53 < artag> Laurenceb_: that one's very plain. there's one like the taj mahal in west london
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2016-03-04T00:38:28 < ColdKeyboard> Could someone take a peek at my code http://pastebin.com/faBEuFD9
2016-03-04T00:38:57 < ColdKeyboard> I'm not sure if I'm attaching TIM1 to the GPIO_A8 correctly here
2016-03-04T00:39:34 < ColdKeyboard> Im using STM32F072 btw
2016-03-04T00:44:46 < ds2> diff pair routing isn't that horrible in eagle
2016-03-04T00:45:36 < karlp> when you read the manual properly and name the nets the way they want them :)
2016-03-04T00:52:30 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone care to give some input? :\
2016-03-04T01:05:23 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so9DBHCo64Q musicspams
2016-03-04T01:14:14 < Lux> ColdKeyboard: you probably should enable the gpio clock before setting the AF stuff
2016-03-04T01:15:24 < ColdKeyboard> Lux: Thanks. I'll try putting RCC_AHBPeriphClockCmd(RCC_AHBPeriph_GPIOA, ENABLE); on top of the init function
2016-03-04T01:15:54 < ColdKeyboard> Altough I've already called it almost in the top of main :\
2016-03-04T01:16:05 < Lux> ah ok, then it won't matter
2016-03-04T01:17:08 < ColdKeyboard> Am I missing something during the init or doing something wrong? :\
2016-03-04T01:18:34 < Lux> idk, maybe you selected the wrong pinsource or whatever
2016-03-04T01:18:48 < Lux> recheck that stuff in the datasheet
2016-03-04T01:19:31 < ColdKeyboard> Ok, will do.
2016-03-04T01:19:34 < Lux> there is a table somewhere on that mapping
2016-03-04T01:19:49 < Lux> probably in the ref manual
2016-03-04T01:19:55 < ColdKeyboard> I'm looking at it on page 41
2016-03-04T01:20:11 < ColdKeyboard> TIM1_CH1 is AF2
2016-03-04T01:20:17 < ColdKeyboard> and pin is PA8
2016-03-04T01:29:58 < Lux> you are missing that: TIM_CtrlPWMOutputs(TIM1, ENABLE); i guess
2016-03-04T01:31:18 < Lux> ColdKeyboard: why didn't you just copy one of the stdperiph lib examples ?
2016-03-04T01:31:32 < Lux> those work usually and are a good start
2016-03-04T01:32:04 < ColdKeyboard> Lux: I totally forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me! I'll look into it right away
2016-03-04T01:33:09 < ColdKeyboard> Lux: You were right, I have forgotten to add TIM_CtrlPWMOutputs(TIM1, ENABLE);
2016-03-04T01:33:19 < ColdKeyboard> Thank you!
2016-03-04T01:36:45 < jadew> so... a project of mine got complimented by other developers today, that felt good
2016-03-04T01:36:49 < karlp> ahh, I love technology.  using my beer to check the temp sensor on board is working...
2016-03-04T01:37:09 < karlp> holding the corner of the can on top of the package and watching the temp drop :)
2016-03-04T01:37:15 < karlp> jadew: congrats!
2016-03-04T01:37:26 < jadew> heh, yeah, made my day
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2016-03-04T01:38:16 < jadew> it's not something that happens often, especially not when it's sincere (I know it was for real because they didn't do it to my face)
2016-03-04T01:38:17 < ColdKeyboard> jadew: Congrats! :)
2016-03-04T01:40:03 < ColdKeyboard> crt: Thanks. Yes they are. But if you are newbie like me they first make you cry and die a little bit inside, then when they start working you feel good :)
2016-03-04T01:41:27 < ColdKeyboard> I like that stm32 has so many timers and so many channels
2016-03-04T01:43:14 < dongs> http://www.iflscience.org/japan-engineers-design-robotic-bear-to-aid-in-assisted-suicide/
2016-03-04T01:44:26 < dongs> cant tell if troll
2016-03-04T01:47:07 < XTL> Always something people wanted more of
2016-03-04T01:47:09 < jadew> isn't that old news
2016-03-04T01:47:22 < XTL> I guess arm makers decided it was cheap to deliver
2016-03-04T01:47:31 < zyp> «SeppuKuma»
2016-03-04T01:47:40 < XTL> I should look at input capturing sometime
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2016-03-04T02:42:30 < Lux> dongs: that's a troll
2016-03-04T02:43:25 < dongs> k
2016-03-04T02:43:38 < dongs> which one of you trolls ever developed something in C for esp14/88
2016-03-04T02:43:43 < dongs> is there debugger etc support
2016-03-04T02:43:53 < dongs> or is it just flash and tarduino style
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2016-03-04T02:45:36 < dongs> http://visualgdb.com/tutorials/esp8266/openocd/
2016-03-04T02:45:38 < dongs> looks like it has debug
2016-03-04T02:47:43 < dongs> E.g. you can reduce the JTAG speed to improve stability or disable interrupt suppression or watchdog feeding features if they are interfering with your code.
2016-03-04T02:47:46 < dongs> uhh
2016-03-04T02:48:14 < dongs> what kinda shitty hardware design do you have when jtag is interfering with the core running
2016-03-04T02:49:20 < dongs> $1.45 more liek
2016-03-04T02:50:37 < Lux> you can get full modules for like 2$ im small quantities
2016-03-04T02:50:43 < dongs> right
2016-03-04T02:51:11 < Lux> i just wonder how many pins jtag debugging will use, as there aren't many anyway
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2016-03-04T02:53:10 < Lux> ah ok, it seems to run via the serial interface
2016-03-04T02:53:28 < dongs> just usual jtag
2016-03-04T02:53:32 < dongs> TMS TDI TCK TDO
2016-03-04T02:53:49 < dongs> seems overlayed wiht other shit
2016-03-04T02:55:11 < Lux> http://visualgdb.com/tutorials/esp8266/gdbstub/ so they have something in the rtos for debugging i guess
2016-03-04T02:55:18 < Lux> that makes me think otherwise
2016-03-04T02:55:31 < dongs> thats the gdbstub
2016-03-04T02:55:35 < Lux> also ther is no stuff about jtag in the datasheet
2016-03-04T02:55:37 < dongs> there's proper hardware jtag
2016-03-04T02:55:42 < Lux> ok
2016-03-04T02:56:10 < dongs> .. at least i hope so, according to pin names
2016-03-04T02:57:07 < dongs> datasheet says: JTAG Interface for debugging
2016-03-04T02:58:45 < dongs> yeah, that blogpost says "without any jtag hardare" so its for poor jews who don't own a jlink or something
2016-03-04T02:58:56 < dongs> and just wanna arduino it up
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2016-03-04T03:00:31 < Lux> ah, now i see it
2016-03-04T03:00:33 < Lux> ctrf-f jtag didn't find anything in the ds so i was confused
2016-03-04T03:01:27 < Lux> http://visualgdb.com/tutorials/esp8266/
2016-03-04T03:02:12 < Lux> good to know, i'll add something to the blinkie board i'm making
2016-03-04T03:05:39 < Laurenceb_> dongs is using esp??
2016-03-04T03:05:49 < Laurenceb_> but perman00b :P
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2016-03-04T03:07:12 < dongs> im not even using wifi part of it.
2016-03-04T03:07:29 < dongs> thinking to throw it somewehre where I can use 80mhz $1.45 processor at
2016-03-04T03:11:08 < Laurenceb_> a current eating processor with no flash
2016-03-04T03:11:56 < dongs> the codei  need to run on it will fit into 64k iram that it has.
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2016-03-04T03:14:33  * Laurenceb_ is trying to get ADS1298 running
2016-03-04T03:14:39 < Laurenceb_> 1k lines of shit later...
2016-03-04T03:16:51 < dongs> aids1298
2016-03-04T03:18:39 < Laurenceb_> its pretty aids
2016-03-04T03:20:35 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/embedded-systems-engineer/
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2016-03-04T03:20:47 < dongs> > 8-10 years of experience
2016-03-04T03:20:52 < dongs> > $750 budget
2016-03-04T03:22:04 < Laurenceb_> stupid mux stuff is mega fail
2016-03-04T03:23:52 < dongs> motherfucker
2016-03-04T03:23:57 < dongs> fucked up this jig AGAIN
2016-03-04T03:24:14 < dongs> first time = wrong size holes for pogo pins
2016-03-04T03:24:18 < Laurenceb_> have to do loads of on the fly remapping
2016-03-04T03:24:22 < dongs> 2nd time = didn't notice first time that gnd/vcc pegs were swapped
2016-03-04T03:24:27 < dongs> ....
2016-03-04T03:28:09 < dongs> not donwloading a png posted by pumper
2016-03-04T03:29:31 < dongs> heh
2016-03-04T03:31:59 < dongs> gonna work around it i guess
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2016-03-04T03:42:17 < dongs> well at lest jig works after sorta fixing it
2016-03-04T03:47:21 < dongs> 56 boars flashed yay
2016-03-04T03:47:37 < dongs> way better than holding cortex-debug connector for ~5 seconds while flashing over swed
2016-03-04T03:47:42 < dongs> swd, each board indivudally
2016-03-04T03:48:34 < dongs> freelancin
2016-03-04T03:49:51 < dongs> no i get paid to troll on irc
2016-03-04T03:49:54 < dongs> pay-per-line
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2016-03-04T03:51:45 < Getty> dongs: i hope you take a high rate for this, you are a true professional
2016-03-04T03:52:14 < dongs> at trolling? 4sure
2016-03-04T03:52:31 < Getty> a friend of mine btw was making a (fake) sex chat where the user paid per line........ trust me, you dont want these customers ;)
2016-03-04T03:52:31 < dongs> 99th percentile
2016-03-04T04:03:44 < dongs> > keyboard with 10key
2016-03-04T04:03:45 < dongs> not pro enough
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2016-03-04T04:38:45 < dongs> and all boards work
2016-03-04T04:38:46 < dongs> yay
2016-03-04T04:42:10 < lorenzo> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcpUeRiUAAAtI4l.jpg
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2016-03-04T05:01:38 < dongs> Did you know? Donald Trump's favorite sexual move is the "Tronald Dump" where two men blowing each other in the 69 position both begin shitting and whoever throws up first has to eat all the feces.
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2016-03-04T05:50:42 < lorenzo> heil trump, DIE NEUE FUHRER
2016-03-04T05:51:14 < lorenzo> http://s.marketwatch.com/public/resources/MWimages/MW-EA745_trump_MG_20151208111532.jpg
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2016-03-04T05:52:41 < lorenzo> R2COM: I'm more of a Lenin guy
2016-03-04T05:53:04 < lorenzo> good guy vlad
2016-03-04T05:54:36 < dongs> what hte fuck is wrong wiht keeping out muslims
2016-03-04T05:54:45 < dongs> sounds like a solid decision to me
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2016-03-04T05:56:12 < lorenzo> dongs: nah, who do we make fun of then
2016-03-04T05:56:32 < lorenzo> gays are so old fashioned, and so are mexicans
2016-03-04T05:56:33 < dongs> jews
2016-03-04T05:56:41 < dongs> they're always fun to make fun of
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2016-03-04T06:21:36 < upgrdman> reading some code... you know it's going to be good when you see if(((((( foo ...
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2016-03-04T07:32:27 < lorenzo> damn I have to give a presentation in a company with this laptop
2016-03-04T07:32:36 < lorenzo> time to remove all xhamster links in the bookmarks
2016-03-04T07:33:06 < lorenzo> I actually have an account on xhamster, it's just that I can't bother logging in and saving the video in favourites while I'm *busy* with myself
2016-03-04T07:33:07 < upgrdman> or just create a new login account?
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2016-03-04T07:44:28 < nikomo> I got a Nucleo board last week but I haven't had time to touch it yet - I had people keep telling me to just grab libopencm3 and use that, to get started, anyone have differing/supporting opinions?
2016-03-04T07:46:30 < lorenzo> nikomo: libopencm3, system workbench, rowley, keil, mbed
2016-03-04T07:46:40 < lorenzo> figure out what you're more comfortable with and use it
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2016-03-04T08:00:41 < dongs> which nucleo?
2016-03-04T08:03:43 < nikomo> F411
2016-03-04T08:04:28 < nikomo> I need to finish an AVR thing first, but I reckon I'll have some alone time with the Nucleo later
2016-03-04T08:16:00 < ReadError> systemworkbench is so bad
2016-03-04T08:16:20 < ReadError> shift+del 30 mins after installing
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2016-03-04T08:20:02 < nikomo> I mainly use my extremely low-end laptop for µc work, so something that's just based on gnu make + gcc is basically ideal, sublime text fits into that nicely
2016-03-04T08:21:20 < jpa-> i like developing on top of chibios (also makefile based)
2016-03-04T08:24:50 < ReadError> I dont like eclipse exactly, but I like the debugging tools
2016-03-04T08:25:32 < dongs> low-end laptop, good luck
2016-03-04T08:25:40 < dongs> maybe next you'll be compiling code on fgtberrypi
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2016-03-04T08:55:26 < ReadError> the debugging stuff is nice in keil too but the text editor kinda sux
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2016-03-04T08:57:08 < ReadError> after using the eclipse setup for a while i prefer it
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2016-03-04T09:41:12 < PeterM> dongs, doing much today? or just bloggin?
2016-03-04T09:41:33 < dongs> bloggin as usual
2016-03-04T09:41:33 < dongs> sup
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2016-03-04T09:42:17 < dongs> found out why alticock was placing all new components with silk on BOTTOM layer, not mirrored for designator
2016-03-04T09:42:31 < dongs> somehow i managed to save a 'default' config wiht that under dxp->prefs->pcb->dfeaults or someshit
2016-03-04T09:42:42 < PeterM> fukkin lol
2016-03-04T09:43:05 < dongs> just gonna move to orcad, cant stand this newb shit
2016-03-04T09:43:46 < PeterM> i havent had any real issues with altium lately, its been behavin well for me - except when i moved from 14.something to 16.whatever and i accidentally deleted my libraries - goodthing i back up
2016-03-04T09:44:19 < dongs> did you ekep them in c:\program files or somethin
2016-03-04T09:44:31 < dongs> all my libs are on my work drive, separated and a bunch of projects back them up on save anyway
2016-03-04T09:44:35 < dongs> so i can get stuff back fairly easily
2016-03-04T09:44:41 < PeterM> nah users>docs>altium > ad14>libs
2016-03-04T09:44:45 < dongs> oh that shit
2016-03-04T09:44:47 < dongs> eyuah fuck that
2016-03-04T09:45:03 < dongs> i dont even trust my C: to keep data safe so i dont use anything under \mydocs for anything serious
2016-03-04T09:45:42 < dongs> oih
2016-03-04T09:45:45 < dongs> 16.0.8 just came out
2016-03-04T09:45:51 < dongs> i JUST checked yesterday nad there was nothin
2016-03-04T09:45:58 < dongs> lots of fixes, ncie
2016-03-04T09:47:11 < PeterM> yeah i just regularly back up my shit so, no biggie, was jsut confused until i realized
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2016-03-04T09:48:25 < dongs> 9638 "Access Violation" crash does not happens while accessing Tool menu on WindowsXP
2016-03-04T09:48:28 < dongs> thanks!
2016-03-04T09:48:32 < dongs> who the fuck still runs this on xp
2016-03-04T09:48:45 < dongs> 9646 Octopart links are now less aggressive in the UI.
2016-03-04T09:49:15 < dongs> 10832 Altium Designer no longer asks for repour confirmation, after modifying a polygon pour (BC:5936)
2016-03-04T09:49:17 < PeterM> https://youtu.be/dPxeCSh4jTQ?t=13 lolled
2016-03-04T09:49:39 < dongs> .,..
2016-03-04T09:49:40 < dongs> why
2016-03-04T09:49:46 < PeterM> 10832 about fuckign time
2016-03-04T09:50:48 < PeterM> why lolled or why even bother makin a power hacksaw or both?
2016-03-04T09:50:56 < dongs> ya why making hacksaw
2016-03-04T09:50:59 < dongs> isnt there.. proper tools for this
2016-03-04T09:51:09 < PeterM> yeah, no idea why
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2016-03-04T09:51:27 < PeterM> jsut get a fuckin bandsaw
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2016-03-04T09:55:47 < PeterM> no, i pay a subscription because im not a jew
2016-03-04T09:56:40 < PeterM> i think when i bought mine it was liek $2600, and the sub was like $800p/a
2016-03-04T09:57:04 < PeterM> now the sub is liek $1800
2016-03-04T09:57:54 < PeterM> if you wanna pirate it like a jew, readerror always shits on about it
2016-03-04T09:58:52 < ReadError> if i actually made money using it, I would buy it
2016-03-04T09:58:53 < PeterM> do you have a big nose to take advantage of all the FREE air?
2016-03-04T09:59:48 < PeterM> and both are good for smellion when the bloke down the road has some snags on the barbie
2016-03-04T10:01:11 < PeterM> tomorrow morning, snags, onion, sauce, more sauce and some shit tools
2016-03-04T10:02:41 < PeterM> good thing is they will take it back if its fucked with pretty much no explanation
2016-03-04T10:02:49 < dongs> < ReadError> if i actually made money using it, I would buy it
2016-03-04T10:02:51 < dongs> lol
2016-03-04T10:02:54 < dongs> says  for-profit cloner
2016-03-04T10:04:50 < PeterM> nah cloneerror wastes all his clone cash on oshfaarrrkkk pcbs
2016-03-04T10:06:59 < dongs> oh fucksake
2016-03-04T10:07:07 < dongs> now that I need to test MHL
2016-03-04T10:07:10 < dongs> i dont have a single phone wiht it
2016-03-04T10:07:19 < dongs> fucking G2 is slimport trash
2016-03-04T10:07:31 < dongs> S6 doesnt even ahve any kinda mhl shit they want to use some samdung wifi crap
2016-03-04T10:07:37 < dongs> dixus5 is slimport
2016-03-04T10:07:38 < PeterM> mhl? thats the hdmi in the usbport thingo isnt it?
2016-03-04T10:07:45 < dongs> pertty sure this motorola trash doesnt have it either
2016-03-04T10:07:46 < dongs> checkingf
2016-03-04T10:07:48 < ReadError> PeterM ya osh is pretty expensive
2016-03-04T10:07:48 < dongs> PeterM: yea
2016-03-04T10:08:31 < dongs> k no mhl there either
2016-03-04T10:08:32 < dongs> uhhh
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2016-03-04T10:09:33 < dongs> hm maybe some shitty tablet
2016-03-04T10:09:36 < PeterM> Ok, off to mung on some grub
2016-03-04T10:10:11 < dongs> The AT100, AT200, AT270, AT300 and AT300SE tablets *do not* support Mobile High-Definition Link (MHL).
2016-03-04T10:10:14 < dongs> \nope.
2016-03-04T10:10:27 < dongs> analog shitware?
2016-03-04T10:11:41 < dongs> ~asus shit i haev doenst have it either
2016-03-04T10:11:45 < dongs> ...
2016-03-04T10:13:48 < dongs>  thats input
2016-03-04T10:13:54 < dongs> thats wat i need to test
2016-03-04T10:15:09 < dongs> HTC M8 has it, and I gave that away
2016-03-04T10:15:12 < dongs> ffff
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2016-03-04T10:38:31 < dongs> found htc desire. no mhl there either
2016-03-04T10:40:06 < zyp> haha
2016-03-04T10:40:18 < zyp> do people actually use that shit?
2016-03-04T10:40:24 < dongs> hm not on dixus 7 either
2016-03-04T10:40:25 < dongs> omg
2016-03-04T10:40:32 < dongs> zyp, no idea. but i gotta make sure it works
2016-03-04T10:41:03 < zyp> I bought some shitty slimport to hdmi cable some time for my nexus 4
2016-03-04T10:41:07 < dongs> right
2016-03-04T10:41:09 < dongs> thats not evne mhl
2016-03-04T10:41:12 < dongs> thats shit *nobody* uses
2016-03-04T10:41:21 < zyp> I tried it once to check that it worked and never touched it since
2016-03-04T10:41:27 < dongs> what did it do?
2016-03-04T10:41:32 < dongs> just mirror screen to tv?
2016-03-04T10:41:33 < zyp> well, it worked
2016-03-04T10:41:35 < zyp> yeah
2016-03-04T10:41:40 < dongs> vertically?
2016-03-04T10:41:50 < zyp> depends on the orientation
2016-03-04T10:41:59 < zyp> I think it rotated to match phone orientation
2016-03-04T10:42:07 < dongs> hmpf
2016-03-04T10:42:37 < zyp> but it's pretty dumb either way
2016-03-04T10:42:58 < zyp> android can send screen wirelessly to chromecast now, works just as good without any dumb cables
2016-03-04T10:43:20 < dongs> pals xperia M2 no mhl either
2016-03-04T10:43:23 < dongs> argh
2016-03-04T10:43:30 < zyp> haha
2016-03-04T10:43:45 < zyp> I thought mhl were the winner of mhl vs slimport
2016-03-04T10:43:51 < dongs> yea no shit
2016-03-04T10:43:55 < dongs> well, i have all this ancient shit
2016-03-04T10:43:57 < zyp> but apparently you only got slimport devices
2016-03-04T10:44:02 < dongs> it doesnt have any kinda port shit at all
2016-03-04T10:44:10 < dongs> yeah dixus5/7 is the only thing I got with slimport
2016-03-04T10:44:13 < dongs> all otehr trahs is just nothign
2016-03-04T10:44:39 < zyp> hmm, I wonder what nexus 5x has, usb-c renders all the old cables useless anyway
2016-03-04T10:44:49 < dongs> displayport i guess?
2016-03-04T10:45:04 < dongs> buy something with  FIREFOX OS
2016-03-04T10:45:06 < zyp> maybe
2016-03-04T10:45:08 < dongs> so it's dead on arrival
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2016-03-04T10:45:30 < zyp> the usb-c connector got four differential lanes, so it could potentially run full displayport
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2016-03-04T10:45:53 < dongs> zyp, it does, its one of the alternate mode specs
2016-03-04T10:46:11 < zyp> yeah
2016-03-04T10:46:11 < dongs> but all the fucking cunts who put usb-c in desktops use some shitty assmedia usb3 chipset
2016-03-04T10:46:17 < zyp> haha
2016-03-04T10:46:20 < dongs> which doesnt support displayport alternate mode on it.
2016-03-04T10:46:26 < zyp> are there usb-c in desktops yet?
2016-03-04T10:46:29 < dongs> sure
2016-03-04T10:46:31 < dongs> any new board
2016-03-04T10:46:34 < dongs> since like a year ago
2016-03-04T10:46:38 < zyp> huh, cool
2016-03-04T10:46:40 < dongs> z97 or wahtever chipset
2016-03-04T10:47:02 < dongs> or z99 , whatever just came out wiht kikelake a year ago
2016-03-04T10:47:40 < dongs> whats weird is intel southbridge has usb3.1/wahtevcer support so it can be connected to usb-c directly
2016-03-04T10:47:46 < dongs> but idiots still use extenral chip, no idea why
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2016-03-04T10:48:07 < dongs> nope
2016-03-04T10:48:10 < dongs> wasting southbridge pcie lanes
2016-03-04T10:48:48 < dongs> lol.
2016-03-04T10:48:52 < zyp> looks like nexus 5x doesn't support any alternate modes
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2016-03-04T10:49:10 < zyp> "just use chromecast"
2016-03-04T10:49:16 < dongs> worthless.
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2016-03-04T10:49:20 < dongs> what happeend to lag?
2016-03-04T10:50:23 < dongs> no i'm in israel
2016-03-04T10:50:38 < dongs> yes.
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2016-03-04T10:51:16 < dongs> you can pay for my flight there
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2016-03-04T10:53:11 < dongs> try * 15
2016-03-04T10:53:21 < dongs> and thats if I waste time lookin for cheap tix
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2016-03-04T10:55:09 < dongs> i didnt know jellybean had the hold logo a few secs and it starts a game ething
2016-03-04T10:55:21 < dongs> i thought it was new with 5.something
2016-03-04T10:55:31 < dongs> beans now all over my screen
2016-03-04T10:55:34 < dongs> flying
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2016-03-04T12:14:39 < dongs> As we continue to roll out the CircuitMaker Project of the Month competition, we have partnered with our friends at Seeed Fusion PCB for the month of March. Any project in the CircuitMaker workspace which has it’s page finished in the month of March is eligible to win.
2016-03-04T12:14:43 < dongs> more circuitcocok spam
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2016-03-04T12:51:46 < dongs> dongggggggggggggggs
2016-03-04T12:52:40 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Microcontroller/Hand-soldering-chips-for-hook/
2016-03-04T12:52:57 < Sync_> wad
2016-03-04T12:56:39 < dongs> god damn
2016-03-04T12:56:42 < dongs> some lunix pro
2016-03-04T12:56:58 < dongs> ran something to change EVERY FILE premission to rwxrwxrwx on /
2016-03-04T12:57:01 < dongs> lol.
2016-03-04T12:57:04 < dongs> good thing its a vm
2016-03-04T12:57:38 < Sync_> wat
2016-03-04T13:06:08 < dongs> found the retard
2016-03-04T13:06:20 < dongs> some php shithead chmod everything to 777
2016-03-04T13:06:31 < dongs> fuck lunix
2016-03-04T13:06:43 < ReadError> if its rhel theres a way to restore perms
2016-03-04T13:06:50 < dongs> thats waht I fucking did
2016-03-04T13:06:53 < ReadError> or any rpm based distro
2016-03-04T13:07:03 < dongs> init=/bin/sh and then waited for 10 minutes for it to fix the shit
2016-03-04T13:07:22 < ReadError>  # for p in $(rpm -qa); do rpm --setperms $p; done
2016-03-04T13:07:22 < ReadError>  # for p in $(rpm -qa); do rpm --setugids $p; done
2016-03-04T13:07:31 < dongs> that sorta requires being able to login as root
2016-03-04T13:10:33 < jpa-> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Article_Consisting_of_50,000_Cardboard_Boxes_More_or_Less,_Each_Containing_One_Pair_of_Clacker_Balls    this is somehow so 100% USA
2016-03-04T13:22:08 < PeterM> jesus fuckign christ what really trhe actual fuck
2016-03-04T13:25:25 < PeterM> been listening to this song a shitload lately, its... funky https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbQgXeY_zi4
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2016-03-04T13:30:49 < zyp> PeterM, haha, me too
2016-03-04T13:33:58 < karlp> silly electrofunk all sounds hte same to me after a while :)
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2016-03-04T13:35:06 < karlp> girlfriend's listening to this stuff all the time now, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco4z98nIQY
2016-03-04T13:58:26 < zyp> http://sexologist.tumblr.com/post/140247691084/new-kid-safe-search-engine-blocks-childrens
2016-03-04T13:58:30 < zyp> retweeting
2016-03-04T13:59:29 < jpa-> i was wondering what is a "kid safe engine block".. some kind of toy for mechanics
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2016-03-04T14:00:19 < zyp> :)
2016-03-04T14:07:52 < MightyPork> has anyone tried running Ncurses through USART? Is it even possible?
2016-03-04T14:09:17 < karlp> why wouldn't it be?
2016-03-04T14:09:31 < karlp> I seem to recall seeing someone's demo of it, can't remember
2016-03-04T14:09:40 < karlp> maybe chuckmcmanis?
2016-03-04T14:10:50 < BrainDamage> consider that all terminals in lunix are emulating ancient teletypes from 50 years ago
2016-03-04T14:11:18 < BrainDamage> so yes, it's all a serial protocol
2016-03-04T14:11:37 < MightyPork> just wondering if it's worth trying, having a "TUI" sounds much easier and better than some garbage java front-end
2016-03-04T14:12:05 < MightyPork> also 100% portable :D
2016-03-04T14:15:01 < karlp> also 100% bloat to handle 50 years of terminal quirks and bugs.
2016-03-04T14:15:24 < karlp> a binary api that lets you build multiple UIs is probably going to be nicer down the road :)
2016-03-04T14:16:24 < BrainDamage> the tty protocol is pretty terrible
2016-03-04T14:16:30 < MightyPork> the main benefit for me is no need for client SW
2016-03-04T14:16:36 < BrainDamage> everything is showed inband mixed content
2016-03-04T14:16:45 < MightyPork> but maybe better to try to implement a subset of what ncurses does manually
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2016-03-04T14:16:59 < BrainDamage> it cannot even distinguish ctrl shift letter from ctrl letter
2016-03-04T14:17:03 < Sync_> ncurses through usart works
2016-03-04T14:17:40 < dongs> why wouldnt it
2016-03-04T14:17:51 < dongs> isnt it just ascii + ansi sequences
2016-03-04T14:17:52 < dongs> or hwatever
2016-03-04T14:17:54 < MightyPork> know if there's some project I'd look at for reference? downloaded the source and it's kinda mess
2016-03-04T14:18:01 < MightyPork> I think so, yes
2016-03-04T14:22:15 < MightyPork> hmmm this looks interesting. shame its in german http://www.mikrocontroller.net/articles/MCURSES
2016-03-04T14:25:13 < jpa-> i wish USB had some standard class for "remote UI"
2016-03-04T14:26:10 < jpa-> it could e.g. provide a simple HTTP server like interface and use browser on the other end
2016-03-04T14:29:50 < karlp> cdc-net and a webserver?
2016-03-04T14:29:58 < karlp> what should go into usb class for that?
2016-03-04T14:31:12 < jpa-> something that does not need messing up the whole machine's networking
2016-03-04T14:31:55 < jpa-> if you dhcp a new dns, everything else breaks; if you don't, you need hardcoded ip and no way to use two devices at once
2016-03-04T14:32:44 < jpa-> browsers should have http://com1/ ;)
2016-03-04T14:33:01 < BrainDamage> mdns would work
2016-03-04T14:33:11 < BrainDamage> howrever not many things support it
2016-03-04T14:33:15 < karlp> if anyone understood mdns
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2016-03-04T14:33:22 < karlp> so much promise, so much fail and unimplemented
2016-03-04T14:33:28 < karlp> same with upnp
2016-03-04T14:34:14 < BrainDamage> it doesn't help that windows to my knowledge doesn't provide a stack on its own
2016-03-04T14:34:31 < BrainDamage> you need to explicitly install apple's
2016-03-04T14:34:52 < karlp> yeah, upnp and mdns are same same but not at all
2016-03-04T14:35:09 < karlp> blah, too much fail
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2016-03-04T15:38:35 < trepidacious> upnp is much easier to implement than mdns
2016-03-04T15:38:47 < trepidacious> If you stick to the useful bit (announcing and discovering devices)
2016-03-04T15:40:21 < karlp> except that only windows machines will display upnp announced devices
2016-03-04T15:40:29 < karlp> so you have to have mdns/avahi as well.
2016-03-04T15:41:08 < karlp> or provide a "discovery" app for your own devices, but at that point you've lost all the advantages of it being "standard"
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2016-03-04T17:03:19 < Laurenceb_> http://www.tedcruzbooger.com/
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2016-03-04T17:16:30 < emeb> nope nope nope nope
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2016-03-04T17:22:02 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Amphenol-RF/908-24100/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuLQf%252bEuFsOrh35k6jkGdFnb2yZY6BNd8U%3d changing from SMA to mmcx
2016-03-04T17:25:02 < emeb> looks like the F7 nucleos are now shipping @ DK
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2016-03-04T17:30:36 < Laurenceb_> http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/donald-trump-small-hands-marco-rubio/index.html
2016-03-04T17:42:59 < dongs> kikemir, you should get 10 of them
2016-03-04T17:44:22 < kakimir> i think I buy 10 ebay ones
2016-03-04T17:44:29 < kakimir> for.. 8eur or so
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2016-03-04T17:45:51 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-04T17:46:06 < kakimir> why does 80volt power fet leak less than some sot23 signal fet
2016-03-04T17:46:16 < kakimir> by maximum number
2016-03-04T17:46:34 < kakimir> 0.1µA vs. 1µA maximums
2016-03-04T17:47:47 < kakimir> is it voltage related?
2016-03-04T17:55:58 < jpa-> bigger geometry usually leaks less
2016-03-04T17:56:07 < kakimir> oh
2016-03-04T17:56:13 < kakimir> interesting
2016-03-04T17:56:44 < jpa-> also logic level fets usually leak more
2016-03-04T17:56:52 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-04T17:57:18 < kakimir> signal fets that I refer to are all under 2volts gate
2016-03-04T17:57:27 < zyp> there's a tradeoff between leakage and gate-source voltage
2016-03-04T17:57:28 < kakimir> makes sense then
2016-03-04T17:57:59 < kakimir> you pro a lot with fets jpa- and zyp?
2016-03-04T17:58:27 < zyp> no, I'm just making up facts
2016-03-04T17:58:48 < zyp> haven't done much stuff where I need to care about leakage
2016-03-04T17:59:28 < dongs> zyp, your parts shipped
2016-03-04T17:59:34 < zyp> cool
2016-03-04T17:59:42 < kakimir> make it all up
2016-03-04T18:00:02 < jpa-> i've done stuff where i care about leakage, but i just haven't cared about it
2016-03-04T18:01:01 < kakimir> when there is high impendance line you need to think about it
2016-03-04T18:02:19 < zyp> nah, just add more SMAs
2016-03-04T18:03:25 < jpa-> you can connect the pcb with the fet to the pcb with the high impedance line with smas, so you can easily throw them both away
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2016-03-04T18:07:34 < kakimir> is there place where you can order copper based PCB?
2016-03-04T18:09:12 < jpa-> as opposed to sma based?
2016-03-04T18:09:15 < kakimir> how do I google this
2016-03-04T18:09:22 < jpa-> mcpcb?
2016-03-04T18:09:56 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Small-DAC-Digital-Analog-Converter-9841678/
2016-03-04T18:09:59 < dongs> haha
2016-03-04T18:10:00 < dongs> > mfi certified
2016-03-04T18:10:14 < Sync_> gg
2016-03-04T18:10:25 < kakimir> o/ think jpa
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2016-03-04T18:10:57 < jpa-> think different, think jpa?
2016-03-04T18:11:22 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Microcontroller/Hand-soldering-chips-for-hook/ i guess neither of those people can read that it says "in seatle"
2016-03-04T18:11:58 < kakimir> :D
2016-03-04T18:12:02 < kakimir> thanks jpa
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2016-03-04T18:25:51 < kakimir> http://www.epectec.com/images/EXTREME-copper-circuit-boards.jpg propper copper
2016-03-04T18:25:59 < kakimir> I just wonder
2016-03-04T18:26:36 < kakimir> those must be inserts?
2016-03-04T18:26:55 < kakimir> soldered or glued smohow
2016-03-04T18:27:08 < dongs> no they just deposited 1kg of copper on each pad
2016-03-04T18:27:10 < dongs> over and over
2016-03-04T18:27:29 < kakimir> http://www.epectec.com/images/EXTREME-copper.jpg
2016-03-04T18:28:00 < kakimir> they use additive method to make such boards?
2016-03-04T18:28:22 < kakimir> instead of removal method?
2016-03-04T18:30:54 < Sync_> of course
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2016-03-04T18:36:34 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/001/727/293/ff01399100e79e9e6fd648aa7139048c_original.jpg?v=1394405836&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=76b9d8691b05bc333aac35903e418c41
2016-03-04T18:36:37 < dongs> is that kikecad
2016-03-04T18:37:49 < Sync_> does not look like it
2016-03-04T18:38:00 < dongs> what else has such nasty colorscheme
2016-03-04T18:38:03 < dongs> oh, maybe gEDA
2016-03-04T18:38:20 < dongs> https://www.fi.muni.cz/~kas/bike-lights/schematics.png
2016-03-04T18:38:21 < dongs> yes
2016-03-04T18:39:05 < dongs> http://sbc.twibright.com/schematics/cpu.png who the fuck thought dark blue on black is a good c olor
2016-03-04T18:39:08 < dongs> for traaces????
2016-03-04T18:40:04 < dongs> http://images.twibright.com/tns/1488.html heh 1488
2016-03-04T18:40:26 < kakimir> you need to rest soon dongs uncle
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2016-03-04T18:43:39 < kakimir> tommorow I have jobs
2016-03-04T18:43:47 < kakimir> need to wake up at 6
2016-03-04T18:43:58 < kakimir> or a bit after
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2016-03-04T19:19:09 < Laurenceb_> lul apparently a Masters in triggering
2016-03-04T19:19:27 < Laurenceb_> *is
2016-03-04T19:19:41 < Laurenceb_> now I get to troll just using my CV
2016-03-04T19:20:45 < ReadError> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kuka-Roboter-Welding-Robot-Arm-No-Controller-INV-18660/231650105238
2016-03-04T19:21:15 < Laurenceb_> lol no controller
2016-03-04T19:21:31 < ReadError> "NO CANADIANS."
2016-03-04T19:21:42 < Laurenceb_> well thats taken as given
2016-03-04T19:22:06 < ReadError> i bet lunixcnc could run it
2016-03-04T19:22:30 < Laurenceb_> even my dad hated Trudeau
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2016-03-04T19:22:37 < Laurenceb_> *hates
2016-03-04T19:22:49 < ReadError> thats so random
2016-03-04T19:23:00 < Laurenceb_> and he is basically Bernie Sanders
2016-03-04T19:23:18 < ReadError> your dad is?
2016-03-04T19:23:25 < Laurenceb_> yup
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2016-03-04T19:36:12 < kakimir> anyone happen to have some 35mhz rc stuff laying around?
2016-03-04T19:36:22 < kakimir> or excess frsky stuff?
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2016-03-04T20:19:44 < Laurenceb_> seeing as I own the "IP" for my horse monitor I might stick it up on github
2016-03-04T20:19:53 < Sync_> kek
2016-03-04T20:19:56 < Sync_> why not
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2016-03-04T20:21:25 < Laurenceb_> if someone wants to me an overpriced ECG they can do
2016-03-04T20:21:37 < Laurenceb_> BOM is approaching UKP300/logger
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2016-03-04T20:25:34 < Laurenceb_> *make
2016-03-04T20:25:51 < Sync_> that's not too bad
2016-03-04T20:26:37 < Laurenceb_> guess so, I'm only making 3 for the project
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2016-03-04T20:29:01 < Laurenceb_> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/03/04/1342255/google-building-a-100kw-transmitter-at-spaceport-america
2016-03-04T20:30:48 < Sync_> eirp
2016-03-04T20:30:49 < Sync_> pfft
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2016-03-04T20:42:22 < BrainDamage> it's actually 3W power
2016-03-04T20:42:30 < BrainDamage> at 80GHz
2016-03-04T20:42:37 < BrainDamage> rest is all antenna gain
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2016-03-04T20:43:10 < BrainDamage> i read the pdf they submitted for reqest on the fcc, it has quite a bit redacted crap, it uses a weird modulation
2016-03-04T20:43:18 < BrainDamage> 2GHz bandwith QPSK
2016-03-04T20:44:30 < BrainDamage> i talked with few friends and our conclusion was that it'd be a backhaul point to point system for "space stuff"
2016-03-04T20:44:42 < BrainDamage> esp due to the 5GHz low bandwith ranging signal
2016-03-04T20:44:56 < BrainDamage> either LEO or their lunatic balloon project
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2016-03-04T20:45:25 < BrainDamage> mostly due to high fade margin due to low bits/symbol and th simplicity of the electronics
2016-03-04T20:49:58 < Laurenceb_> yeah
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2016-03-04T20:55:16 < Sync_> BrainDamage: that is why I commented eirp ;)
2016-03-04T20:56:18 < BrainDamage> yeah, i know, i was puntalizing the actual power to the antenna
2016-03-04T20:56:39 < BrainDamage> saying eirp bundles both, so you can't know which contributes how much
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2016-03-04T21:16:26 < englishman> Laurenceb_: trudeau is a cuck, to use your parlance
2016-03-04T21:17:49 < Laurenceb_> I remember after that school shooting, it appeared like he was enjoying the opportunity to get some attention
2016-03-04T21:17:52 < Laurenceb_> like wtf
2016-03-04T21:18:19 < Laurenceb_> oh hai media... oh hai
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2016-03-04T22:40:37 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCozh_vbYdM
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2016-03-04T23:38:46 < ColdKeyboard> Can someone suggest some documentation on how to implement Custom HID with STM32F0x2_USB-FS-Device_Lib V1.0.0 ?
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2016-03-05T00:11:12 < trepidacious> karlp: For stuff I've done it's made sense to have my own upnp detection in an application. I guess mDNS is nice for using something.local addresses
2016-03-05T00:11:28 < trepidacious> it's still ridiculously complicated for what it does though
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2016-03-05T00:32:50 < MightyPork> hello, trying to debug hard fault
2016-03-05T00:32:54 < MightyPork> any way to recover from it?
2016-03-05T00:33:08 < MightyPork> or at least do something. Tried using USART but it just locks up it seems
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2016-03-05T00:48:49 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFuR97YcSLM mathspam
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2016-03-05T01:21:03 < MightyPork> nvm my question. I uh.. forgot to link a file overriding the newlib stubs & tried to use them.
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2016-03-05T02:08:55 < dongs> sup pros
2016-03-05T02:15:21 < dongs> wheres todays spacex launch video
2016-03-05T02:15:22 < dongs> i dont see it
2016-03-05T02:15:25 < dongs> but tehy're twatting
2016-03-05T02:16:53 < MightyPork> dongs its over
2016-03-05T02:16:57 < MightyPork> went good
2016-03-05T02:17:21 < MightyPork> but 1st stage probably crashed
2016-03-05T02:17:28 < dongs> yoiu mean the landing?
2016-03-05T02:17:31 < MightyPork> yea
2016-03-05T02:17:47 < MightyPork> looked like it's going quite a bit off, then the stream cut off
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2016-03-05T02:18:05 < MightyPork> satellite is fine
2016-03-05T02:18:20 < dongs> rite
2016-03-05T02:18:53 < dongs> looks like someone twatted it crashed
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2016-03-05T03:20:57 < MightyPork> confirmed that it blew up on landing
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2016-03-05T04:26:18 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1457137197342.jpg
2016-03-05T04:26:21 < Laurenceb_> full 8chan
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2016-03-05T04:49:53 < Laurenceb_> nasty
2016-03-05T04:50:04 < Laurenceb_> cat food and cats on kitchen worktop
2016-03-05T04:50:37 < Laurenceb_> wonder how many diseases you could catch
2016-03-05T04:50:53 < Laurenceb_> I just realised you can catch prion diseases off pet food
2016-03-05T04:50:54 < Laurenceb_> fun
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2016-03-05T05:55:12 < upgrdman> anyone here used can?
2016-03-05T05:55:28 < dongs> i have a microchip canbus analyzser thingy.
2016-03-05T05:55:49 < upgrdman> for a quick test, if the mcu is just transmitting a message, you should see a waveform on a oscope, even with nothing listening to the can bus, right?
2016-03-05T05:56:46 < upgrdman> i would expect an error due to a missing ACK or something like that, but you should see canh/canl moving right?
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2016-03-05T06:33:47 < dongs> i think so
2016-03-05T06:33:58 < dongs> i recall running one of the can shits samples from sterphiph
2016-03-05T06:34:09 < dongs> and there was constant moving but I forgot if that was the sample transmitting or waet
2016-03-05T06:34:18 < dongs> been a few months sine i last dicked with it
2016-03-05T06:34:22 < dongs> but it was pretty stragithforward to setuip
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2016-03-05T07:31:50 < kakimir> hello sexuals
2016-03-05T07:32:15 < upgrdman> bukkakimir: what have you been up to recently?
2016-03-05T07:32:27 < kakimir> commuting to jobs
2016-03-05T07:32:29 < kakimir> atm.
2016-03-05T07:36:14 < kakimir> 7:36 here so I'm a bit late
2016-03-05T07:49:48 < kakimir> 80km commuting distance
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2016-03-05T08:00:03 < ReadError> on the weekend?
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2016-03-05T09:23:34 < upgrdman> limits.h has defines for like max_int or whatever. is there an equiv for the uint32_t and other types?
2016-03-05T09:25:15 < upgrdman> o nm, they're in stdint.h
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2016-03-05T10:16:55 < dekar> There's UINT32_MAX etc.
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2016-03-05T11:18:20 < dongs> MAX_INT
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2016-03-05T13:47:51 < mitrax> hey, i assume there's no built-in recovery mechanism to reset the I2C bus if a device is stuck and maintains SDA low? on other mcus i used to set the I2C pins as gpio temporarily and cycle the clock until SDA goes high, i take it's it's no different on STM32?
2016-03-05T13:49:08 < jpa-> yeah, i've done the same
2016-03-05T13:49:37 < jpa-> on STM32 you have the bonus that not only you can get slave to hang, you can also make the STM32 I2C peripheral to hang
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2016-03-05T13:51:13 < mitrax> jpa-: really? bleh
2016-03-05T13:51:25 < mitrax> jpa-: when does that happen?
2016-03-05T13:51:34 < jpa-> errata gives some ideas
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2016-03-05T13:52:11 < dongs> mitrax: thats wat i do
2016-03-05T13:52:27 < dongs> sent to OD and clock out
2016-03-05T13:54:49 < mitrax> dongs: OD?
2016-03-05T13:55:01 < jpa-> "set to open drain"
2016-03-05T13:55:20 < mitrax> oh ok
2016-03-05T13:57:48 < mitrax> thanks :)
2016-03-05T13:57:58 < dongs> you kinda want to have i2c pins as OD.
2016-03-05T13:58:07 < dongs> even if youre manually dicking them
2016-03-05T13:58:21 < jpa-> otherwise the slave will overdose
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2016-03-05T14:19:55 < ReadError> dongs is your vape project vaporizing drugs yet?
2016-03-05T14:21:32 < PeterM> ReadError, is your clone project cloneing cloners yet?
2016-03-05T14:21:58 < ReadError> no but that would be cool
2016-03-05T14:22:35 < ReadError> funny dongs keeps going on with this clone thing, I am not a cloner, he is though
2016-03-05T14:31:34 < PeterM> cloning is fine, provided oyu innovate in oyur cloning
2016-03-05T14:31:56 < ReadError> damn way to high, only 30 mins left at work
2016-03-05T14:34:04 < PeterM> what, is it 4:20 or something
2016-03-05T14:34:19 < ReadError> no
2016-03-05T14:35:11 < PeterM> what time is it there? i used to have multiple clocks set up but i forgot to do it when i installed w10
2016-03-05T14:35:28 < ReadError> 7:33am now
2016-03-05T14:38:21 < PeterM> ahh kk
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2016-03-05T15:18:04 < Lux> i wonder how long it'll take till that thing is avail: http://www.st.com/web/catalog/mmc/FM132/CL2136/SC1934/PF261818
2016-03-05T15:18:27 < Lux> 2m ir tof for <2$ would be pretty nice
2016-03-05T15:18:37 < PeterM> where would you buy it though?
2016-03-05T15:19:21 < Lux> distributors, like all the other stuff
2016-03-05T15:19:31 < Lux> and yes, it'll be more there
2016-03-05T15:21:02 < PeterM> lux do you live in the US?
2016-03-05T15:21:23 < Lux> you mean export regulations ?
2016-03-05T15:21:28 < PeterM> yerp
2016-03-05T15:21:41 < Lux> you can get around that
2016-03-05T15:21:53 < Lux> it's not like i'm living in a 3rd world country
2016-03-05T15:22:35 < Lux> + why on earth is that shit export regulated ?
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2016-03-05T15:26:33 < ReadError> hmm
2016-03-05T15:26:37 < ReadError> it says beyond 2m
2016-03-05T15:26:43 < ReadError> but how far beyond
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2016-03-05T15:28:35 < ReadError> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/mmc/FM132/CL2136/SC1934/PF260441
2016-03-05T15:28:37 < ReadError> this one is avail
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2016-03-05T15:44:28 < Lux> ya, but 10cm isn't really useful for anything
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2016-03-05T17:36:46 < mitrax> in open drain mode, i'm confused as to what state pulls the pin towards ground, is it 0 or 1?
2016-03-05T17:36:58 < zyp> 0 of course
2016-03-05T17:37:16 < zyp> open drain mode just disables the high side transistor
2016-03-05T17:37:22 < zyp> so nothing happens when you output 1
2016-03-05T17:39:11 < mitrax> thanks
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2016-03-05T17:54:41 < mitrax> zyp: when a pin is configured as open drain output can i still read its physical state? e.g pin state is set to 1 but the pin is pulled low by another device, will reading the pin report a 0 or do i have to configure it as input?
2016-03-05T17:55:54 < zyp> yes, that's one of the purposes of open drain
2016-03-05T17:56:24 < zyp> and also, even in normal push-pull mode you can always read the input even in output mode
2016-03-05T17:56:32 < zyp> it might not make much sense, but you can
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2016-03-05T18:02:45 < mitrax> alright :)
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2016-03-05T19:12:19 < kakimir> work days over
2016-03-05T19:14:48 < kakimir> beer and rc glider wonderings
2016-03-05T19:15:15 < kakimir> I plan to utilize extra-over size prop for slow glider
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2016-03-05T19:16:19 < kakimir> then drive it with limited throttle setting so currents and power stay very low
2016-03-05T19:16:26 < kakimir> and rpm
2016-03-05T19:17:56 < kakimir> under 100W for 1kg glider
2016-03-05T19:19:17 < kakimir> prop calc gave good numbers for 75W axle power
2016-03-05T19:19:46 < kakimir> 0.6kg thrust and 40kmh air speed
2016-03-05T19:20:47 < kakimir> propeller air speed propably
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2016-03-05T19:34:35 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-05T19:36:57 < kakimir> I wonder if I could extend bldc motor axle to place big dimension motor inside wider part of fuselage to both for optimal weight distribution and also not having big chunk sticking out in the front
2016-03-05T19:37:13 < kakimir> maybe some rubber hose connection
2016-03-05T19:37:35 < kakimir> to seperate axle - bearing system
2016-03-05T19:53:50 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-05T19:54:32 < kakimir> motor has almost 50mm axle so easiest is to lathe a little prop adapter with sleeve for bearing
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2016-03-05T21:52:21 < kakimir> sma footprint is over 400% compared to mmcx footprint in area
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2016-03-05T22:16:13 < julius> hi
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2016-03-05T22:22:30 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: sounds fun, going for long flight time?
2016-03-05T22:22:35 < julius> any idea if this board: http://de.aliexpress.com/item/1pcs-STM32F103C8T6-ARM-STM32-Minimum-System-Development-Board-Module-For-arduino/32478120209.html   works with openocd or stlink?
2016-03-05T22:23:14 < kakimir> hopefully long flight times yes
2016-03-05T22:25:56 < kakimir> it's not that good glider thought
2016-03-05T22:26:24 < kakimir> it's big and slow and doesn't have that good L/D
2016-03-05T22:27:00 < kakimir> but I need to test this big prop concept and then have some composite slow medium slow for it
2016-03-05T22:27:25 < Steffanx> with stlink AND openocd julius.. sure
2016-03-05T22:28:18 < Steffanx> the swd pins are on the 4 pin header
2016-03-05T22:30:20 < Laurenceb_> any plan for autopilot?
2016-03-05T22:30:36 < kakimir> no
2016-03-05T22:30:44 < kakimir> just to enjoy
2016-03-05T22:30:46 < Laurenceb_>  :-(
2016-03-05T22:30:56 < Laurenceb_> I like this http://www.atlantiksolar.ethz.ch/
2016-03-05T22:31:03 < Laurenceb_> but then I discovered how slow it is
2016-03-05T22:31:29 < kakimir> slow is good
2016-03-05T22:31:36 < Laurenceb_> not when its windy
2016-03-05T22:31:38 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRTfhkiAqPw
2016-03-05T22:32:12 < Laurenceb_> why do people have to use video format
2016-03-05T22:32:35 < Laurenceb_> Video Blogging is Embarrassing: one stupidly long example
2016-03-05T22:34:17 < Steffanx> I at least expected a video of how slow it actually is.. not some useless oop video.
2016-03-05T22:35:13 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: slow is efficient
2016-03-05T22:35:43 < Laurenceb_> until wind speed > flight speed
2016-03-05T22:35:50 < Laurenceb_> then its negatively efficient :P
2016-03-05T22:36:03 < kakimir> efficiency as staying in air
2016-03-05T22:36:05 < kakimir> long long
2016-03-05T22:37:16 < Laurenceb_> not when the project goal is to cross the atlantic
2016-03-05T22:38:20 < kakimir> stay in air robot plane / low orbit winged satellite would be nice
2016-03-05T22:38:30 < kakimir> solar shiet
2016-03-05T22:40:38 < Laurenceb_> the main issue is the batteries
2016-03-05T22:41:03 < kakimir> sure thing
2016-03-05T22:43:40 < kakimir> do you need to heat those?
2016-03-05T22:43:43 < kakimir> or cool?
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2016-03-05T22:55:14 < Laurenceb_> the batteries?
2016-03-05T22:56:28 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-05T22:56:46 < kakimir> how high it would be flying..
2016-03-05T22:57:09 < kakimir> is 30km possible for slow propeller plane?
2016-03-05T22:59:16 < kakimir> I think altitude is cheaper than batteries
2016-03-05T22:59:16 < Laurenceb_> dunno
2016-03-05T22:59:32 < Laurenceb_> you mean gain altitude and glide?
2016-03-05T22:59:40 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-05T22:59:44 < Laurenceb_> there isnt enough energy available like that
2016-03-05T23:00:00 < Laurenceb_> best li-ion is 1MJ/Kg
2016-03-05T23:00:22 < Laurenceb_> thats like 100km altitude
2016-03-05T23:00:57 < Laurenceb_> battery energy density is much greater than potential energy from altitude
2016-03-05T23:01:14 < kakimir> nice
2016-03-05T23:01:54 < kakimir> 100km altitude? 1kg?
2016-03-05T23:07:49 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-03-05T23:08:06 < Laurenceb_> 100,000m*9.81 = 981000J/Kg
2016-03-05T23:08:16 < Laurenceb_> about the same energy density as li-ion
2016-03-05T23:08:27 < kakimir> true
2016-03-05T23:08:30 < Laurenceb_> so its not worth trying to gain altitude to fly for longer
2016-03-05T23:08:34 < kakimir> just calculated
2016-03-05T23:08:59 < kakimir> okay but when you add 1kg battery to 1kg plane
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2016-03-05T23:09:49 < kakimir> you need to add 0.5kg to support extra weight
2016-03-05T23:10:01 < kakimir> you have 2.5kg plane
2016-03-05T23:10:50 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-03-05T23:11:04 < kakimir> and battery have only 40km potential energy
2016-03-05T23:11:08 < Laurenceb_> ok maybe in real world cases gaining altitude helps a little
2016-03-05T23:11:16 < kakimir> also plane flies shittier
2016-03-05T23:11:44 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-05T23:11:58 < kakimir> but it's multioptimizing problems anyways
2016-03-05T23:12:08 < kakimir> you cant solve it in casual irc chat
2016-03-05T23:12:58 < kakimir> what is cloud limit height Laurenceb_ ?
2016-03-05T23:13:13 < Laurenceb_> about 12.5km
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2016-03-06T00:03:56 < owl-v-> is there any open-source  pspice program?
2016-03-06T00:09:38 < artag> ngspice ?
2016-03-06T00:10:46 < artag> i think spice existed as open source before it was cool, didn't it ?
2016-03-06T00:29:59 < Steffanx> Something wrong with closed sores but free spice owl-v-?
2016-03-06T00:30:23 < owl-v-> i just don't want to pay $. that's all
2016-03-06T00:30:54 < owl-v-> Steffanx ^
2016-03-06T00:33:04 < Sync_> then use ltspice
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2016-03-06T00:38:50 < ColdKeyboard> Where can I find the documentation on how to use STM32F0x2_USB-FS-Device_Lib V1.0.0 custom HID ?
2016-03-06T00:39:13 < ColdKeyboard> I'm trying to send report to USB host via USBD_HID_SendReport(&USB_Device_dev, Send_Buffer, 2); but I guess I'm missing something :\
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2016-03-06T00:52:42 < artag> apparently theres also a cuspice (ngspice on CUDA)
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2016-03-06T01:14:31 < Fleck> http://www.rogerclark.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/STM32Mini-300x300.jpg << using RTC on this module (f103), when placing finger close to crystals, RTC stops, at least, can I improve this somehow?
2016-03-06T01:17:18 < Fleck> *at least RTC IRQ stops
2016-03-06T01:18:48 < Sync_> don't put your finger on it
2016-03-06T01:19:17 < Fleck> yeah, that's one way :D I don't even touch it, just bring near and it dies
2016-03-06T01:19:31 < Sync_> yes, you capacitively influence it
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2016-03-06T01:32:33 < ColdKeyboard> Fleck: If you have scope check the output of you RTC crystal. Maybe solder joints on GND pins are bad. :\
2016-03-06T01:32:57 < ColdKeyboard> I have the same board but never had those issues with it. Quality of the board is however, very questionable. :)
2016-03-06T01:36:18 < Fleck> yeah, q. is not so good
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2016-03-06T01:41:32 < ColdKeyboard> Maybe you could try buldging in regullar 32,768 crystall and properlly ground it and add caps if needed.
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2016-03-06T01:50:14 < Fleck> I have 4x of those modules, all have the same problem
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2016-03-06T02:44:21 < Laurenceb_> finally finished by ADS1298 driver
2016-03-06T02:44:29 < Laurenceb_> only 560 lines now :-D
2016-03-06T02:47:41 < Laurenceb_> its actually got a pretty good ADC, ~23 ENOB at 2khz sampling
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2016-03-06T04:17:39 < upgrdman> r2com, lol
2016-03-06T04:20:03 < Laurenceb_> NSFW dude
2016-03-06T04:20:05 < Laurenceb_> seriously
2016-03-06T04:20:11 < Laurenceb_> also greenscreen?
2016-03-06T04:26:48 < PeterM> Laurenceb, nah legit
2016-03-06T04:28:20 < dongs> ^ expert talkin
2016-03-06T04:28:21 < Laurenceb_> PeterM knows as he is on the video
2016-03-06T04:29:04 < Laurenceb_> ADS1298 driver finally completed http://pastie.org/10749646
2016-03-06T04:30:50 < Laurenceb_> inb4 trolling
2016-03-06T04:31:07 < dongs> cool indentation bro
2016-03-06T04:31:24 < PeterM> Laurenceb_, but does it work?
2016-03-06T04:31:34 < Laurenceb_> PeterM: no hardware yet lol
2016-03-06T04:31:47 < Laurenceb_> forever delayed project :D
2016-03-06T04:31:58 < PeterM> nice
2016-03-06T04:32:52 < Laurenceb_> I think I can combat the epic suckyness
2016-03-06T04:33:20 < Laurenceb_> by remapping the electrodes so it can almost always cope with 3 working electrodes (out of ten)
2016-03-06T04:33:53 < Laurenceb_> don't know why it couldn't handle actual useful functionality by itself
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2016-03-06T05:47:24 < englishman> Laurenceb_: that video is a)old as fuck and b) legit its in Toronto I've been in that building
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2016-03-06T06:24:48 < jadew> I hate monitor manufacturers that don't list the effective display area
2016-03-06T06:25:33 < jadew> it differs a lot, even from model to model from the same manufacturer
2016-03-06T06:25:41 < jadew> (for the same diagonal)
2016-03-06T06:27:52 < jadew> http://www.lg.com/uk/monitors/lg-24GM77-B
2016-03-06T06:28:18 < jadew> I'm trying to replace an older 22 Inch monitor, but I want the screen to be the same height as the old one
2016-03-06T06:28:43 < jadew> turns out new 22" and 23" monitors have a lower height :)
2016-03-06T06:29:30 < jadew> figured that maybe a 24" would fit properly
2016-03-06T06:29:46 < jadew> what's above that gets too wide for my desk
2016-03-06T06:31:28 < jadew> hmm, I can measure it from the pictures
2016-03-06T06:32:06 < dongs> what
2016-03-06T06:32:12 < dongs> dell 24" 4K is height adjustable
2016-03-06T06:32:24 < jadew> dongs, I mean the viewing area's height
2016-03-06T06:32:30 < dongs> the what
2016-03-06T06:32:38 < jadew> I need it to be as close to 300 mm in height as possible
2016-03-06T06:32:57 < jadew> so it aligns nicely with my other two monitors
2016-03-06T06:32:59 < dongs> yes, dell 4K is like 296mm
2016-03-06T06:33:09 < dongs> 298 actually
2016-03-06T06:33:10 < dongs> just measured.
2016-03-06T06:33:27 < jadew> that's great
2016-03-06T06:33:45 < dongs> intel just fucking became dead to me
2016-03-06T06:33:48 < dongs> my next processor is AMD
2016-03-06T06:33:58 < jadew> thanks, I'll check it out
2016-03-06T06:34:09 < dongs> i sent to intel.com to donwload IPDT_Installer_3.0.0.25.W_x86_3.0.0.25.W.MP_x64.exe
2016-03-06T06:34:16 < dongs> 1st red flag = exe wasn't signed
2016-03-06T06:34:24 < dongs> ok, seeing how its from intel.com i dont really care THAT much
2016-03-06T06:34:26 < dongs> ran it
2016-03-06T06:34:31 < jadew> virus
2016-03-06T06:34:40 < dongs> its a self-exetracting .zip that has setup.exe setup64.exe and setup.bat
2016-03-06T06:34:47 < jadew> lol
2016-03-06T06:34:55 < dongs> ok, noticed ,taht , killtasked setup, used unzip.exe to unpack
2016-03-06T06:35:01 < dongs> ran setup64.exe, still unsigned
2016-03-06T06:35:05 < dongs> ok, but intel, so hopefully legit
2016-03-06T06:35:14 < dongs> asks to isntall x64 redist for vs2008 or 2005 or soemshit
2016-03-06T06:35:19 < dongs> pretty sure i already had that, but wahtever.
2016-03-06T06:35:20 < dongs> installed
2016-03-06T06:35:31 < dongs> next shit: installation of intel processor bla bla tool REQUIRES A REBOOT
2016-03-06T06:35:33 < dongs> 2016?
2016-03-06T06:35:34 < dongs> reboot?
2016-03-06T06:35:39 < dongs> fuck right off
2016-03-06T06:35:46 < dongs> so, i went out and forgot  i had that dialog on screen
2016-03-06T06:35:55 < dongs> come back, wake up monitor, see some yes/no shit
2016-03-06T06:36:02 < dongs> don't read it, click yes.
2016-03-06T06:36:07 < dongs> it initiates reboot sequence.
2016-03-06T06:36:12 < dongs> yeah so fuck intel.
2016-03-06T06:37:15 < dongs> yah except it closed all my work in progress
2016-03-06T06:37:27 < dongs> and why the fuck a shitty processor utility neeeds a reboot in 2016?
2016-03-06T06:37:33 < dongs> and why is shit off intel.com not signed
2016-03-06T06:37:56 < jadew> it needed a reboot because it installed something in your auto-start list
2016-03-06T06:38:03 < dongs> ur dumb
2016-03-06T06:38:27 < jadew> and the fact that your work got closed is something you have to take up with windows I guess
2016-03-06T06:38:36 < jadew> that doesn't sound right
2016-03-06T06:39:02 < jadew> unless the installer issued some comand that overrides the checks windows performs
2016-03-06T06:39:20 < dongs> im going to open a support case on this
2016-03-06T06:39:22 < dongs> and complain
2016-03-06T06:40:32 < dongs> should I write a post letter to intel corporate office
2016-03-06T06:41:13 < dongs> oh, cute
2016-03-06T06:41:15 < dongs> vmware got closed too
2016-03-06T06:41:17 < dongs> motherfuckers
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2016-03-06T06:42:30 < dongs> great
2016-03-06T06:42:37 < dongs> in a way that I cant reaettach to running machiens
2016-03-06T06:42:42 < dongs> to shut them down properly
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2016-03-06T06:42:46 < dongs> really fuck intel
2016-03-06T06:44:38 < jadew> what are the benefits of vmware over hyper-v?
2016-03-06T06:45:51 < dongs> the fact that it works
2016-03-06T06:46:18 < jadew> what didn't work on hyper-v?
2016-03-06T06:46:24 < nikomo> what you should really do, is not contact them and buy amd instead
2016-03-06T07:03:39 < dongs> nikomo: they need to be informed they're making shit
2016-03-06T07:04:03 < nikomo> Implying they don't already know
2016-03-06T07:04:21 < dongs> having unsigned exes up for downloadin 2016 is just unexxcusable
2016-03-06T07:04:40 < dongs> unsigned exes that require a reboot for no reason is just fucking criminal
2016-03-06T07:06:36 < PeterM> yeah mang, how is anyone gonna have xbox hueg uptimes if you gotta reboot to update drivers for mroe reliability so you can get better uptime, it's like have you ever seen a man eat his own head?
2016-03-06T07:44:31 < dongs> http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Gallery.aspx?id=06_03_2016_029_006&type=A&eid=31804
2016-03-06T07:46:08 < dongs> youre quick
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2016-03-06T08:33:41 < PeterM> teamspeak? welcome to the year 2001 fellas
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2016-03-06T08:58:23 < Streaker> Would an Australian understand the word imbecile ?
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2016-03-06T09:07:48 < PeterM> R2COM, Original author(s)	TeamSpeak Systems GmbH
2016-03-06T09:07:48 < PeterM> Initial release	October 2001; 14 years ago
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2016-03-06T09:14:41 < nikomo> mumble > all
2016-03-06T09:14:51 < nikomo> (I host a mumble server)
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2016-03-06T09:15:08 < nikomo> though I host a mumble server because mumble > all
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2016-03-06T13:56:51 < Martin90> what is the most active STM32 community forum ?
2016-03-06T13:57:49 < MightyPork> this irc
2016-03-06T13:59:43 < Martin90> beside this irc ?
2016-03-06T14:01:03 < PeterM> stm forums
2016-03-06T14:01:14 < PeterM> just pm clive1
2016-03-06T14:03:26 < Sync_> wat is up with the stm pricing o0
2016-03-06T14:03:37 < Sync_> some of them got really expensive over the last days, for some reason
2016-03-06T14:05:27 < Martin90> PeterM: do you have this forum in mind -> https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/AllItems.aspx ?
2016-03-06T14:07:10 < ReadError> Sync_ which?
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2016-03-06T14:15:50 < PeterM> Martin90, yes
2016-03-06T14:16:33 < Sync_> eg stm32f103c8t7
2016-03-06T14:17:17 < PeterM> there isnt a hell of a lot of stock for it
2016-03-06T14:17:26 < PeterM> maybe they're anticipating lead times
2016-03-06T14:17:38 < lorenzo> Sync_: eh yeah that's up quite a bit at 1k units
2016-03-06T14:18:21 < Steffanx>  ebay sells to many of those cheap arse 103c8 boards? ;)
2016-03-06T14:18:26 < Steffanx> *too
2016-03-06T14:18:40 < PeterM> nah there probably a billion in stock in .cn
2016-03-06T14:19:16 < Sync_> yeah idk wtf happened there lorenzo
2016-03-06T14:19:19 < Steffanx> Can't we send you to get them back?
2016-03-06T14:19:27 < lorenzo> those are c8t6 iirc
2016-03-06T14:19:44 < lorenzo> at least the two I've bought for 1.5$ and never used lol
2016-03-06T14:20:02 < Steffanx> ah yes, t7
2016-03-06T14:20:04 < Steffanx> *t6
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2016-03-06T14:22:25 < timemob> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/PCB-Programming-RFID-Design-Antenna/ attn zyp
2016-03-06T14:22:55 < lorenzo> (7 is industrial temperature range)
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2016-03-06T14:34:04 < zyp> timemob, haha
2016-03-06T14:35:23 < Steffanx> Do you have an account there so you can see more details timemob?
2016-03-06T14:35:40 < timemob> there aren't that many details
2016-03-06T14:36:09 < timemob> what you see without account is probably all
2016-03-06T14:36:21 < Steffanx> no info like where from, other projects and crap?
2016-03-06T14:37:51 < timemob> ya nobody can see that
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2016-03-06T14:38:20 < timemob> you can get their username if you bid
2016-03-06T14:38:29 < timemob> and see their past reviews
2016-03-06T14:38:41 < kakimir> anyone using git to backup projects?
2016-03-06T14:39:16 < timemob> no kikemir.
2016-03-06T14:39:27 < timemob> I use "beaky" to backup projects
2016-03-06T14:39:39 < timemob> it's a git fork
2016-03-06T14:39:45 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-06T14:40:00 < timemob> just dumber
2016-03-06T14:40:09 < kakimir> ext. hard drive is nice but not that frequent
2016-03-06T14:40:45 < kakimir> it doesn't follow the seperate place policy thought
2016-03-06T14:41:11 < kakimir> when my barn burns
2016-03-06T14:41:14 < kakimir> both are gones
2016-03-06T14:41:21 < timemob> backup to the cloud
2016-03-06T14:41:38 < kakimir> where and how exactly?
2016-03-06T14:41:41 < kakimir> recommends
2016-03-06T14:41:46 < timemob> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Design-Arduino-compatible-PCB-for/
2016-03-06T14:41:57 < timemob> Google drive???
2016-03-06T14:42:22 < timemob> or just tar and uploaded your shit to rapidgator
2016-03-06T14:42:44 < kakimir> both are too laborous
2016-03-06T14:42:52 < kakimir> process needs to be invisible
2016-03-06T14:43:16 < kakimir> in 2016
2016-03-06T14:43:24 < timemob> backup to /dev/null
2016-03-06T14:43:33 < Sync_>  tarschnab
2016-03-06T14:44:29 < kakimir> *smell of breath when drinking excessivelly coffee*
2016-03-06T14:44:42 < PeterM> kakimir, stop being broke and jsut use like backblaze or some shit
2016-03-06T14:45:09 < kakimir> what..? backb..
2016-03-06T14:45:15 < kakimir> never heard of
2016-03-06T14:46:04 < BrainDamage> crt: why downloading swap when you can just http://www.downloadmoreram.com/
2016-03-06T14:46:30 < kakimir> why would I pay for something like that
2016-03-06T14:46:39 < kakimir> some propiertary solution
2016-03-06T14:46:55 < timemob> well fucker
2016-03-06T14:46:59 < kakimir> I rather use excisting frameworks
2016-03-06T14:47:07 < timemob> then write your own open solution
2016-03-06T14:47:15 < BrainDamage> autismir, why are you asking for other opinions if you're not interested in them?
2016-03-06T14:47:24 < timemob> and stop assburgering
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2016-03-06T14:48:35 < timemob> bought z170-pro
2016-03-06T14:48:41 < timemob> for almost half price
2016-03-06T14:49:00 < timemob> cuz "some pins in socket were bent"
2016-03-06T14:51:16 < timemob> donno
2016-03-06T14:51:26 < timemob> will see bent pins and fix them
2016-03-06T14:52:06 < lorenzo> kakimir: I use git
2016-03-06T14:52:09 < timemob> since lga1151 or whatever is like 90% gnd pins, I doubt it's even essential
2016-03-06T14:52:13 < lorenzo> well, use, I know how to clone and commit and push lol
2016-03-06T14:52:18 < zyp> haha
2016-03-06T14:52:42 < timemob> I will check with datasheet to make sure tho
2016-03-06T14:52:52 < kakimir> there seems to be no automatic sync?
2016-03-06T14:53:09 < lorenzo> kakimir: when you're done working you type in a few magic commands and it's synced to the git server
2016-03-06T14:53:21 < timemob> kikemir, Windows has volume shadow copy
2016-03-06T14:53:22 < kakimir> maybe just add it to windows tasks
2016-03-06T14:53:24 < timemob> and backup
2016-03-06T14:53:36 < kakimir> it's utilized already timemob
2016-03-06T14:53:41 < timemob> good.
2016-03-06T14:53:49 < kakimir> I don't trust ssd
2016-03-06T14:54:07 < kakimir> when it fails.. all is gone and nothing will be retrived
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2016-03-06T14:55:06 < timemob> I should backup my stuff more often
2016-03-06T14:55:32 < kakimir> obiviously
2016-03-06T14:55:37 < timemob> bbl, dongs
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2016-03-06T14:55:40 < lorenzo> I started doing backups on my own when mr. sysadmin in my company told me we use LTO-2 tapes
2016-03-06T14:55:44 < lorenzo> lol
2016-03-06T14:56:17 < BrainDamage> i'm not familliar, are they unreliable or what?
2016-03-06T14:56:50 < kakimir> https://about.gitlab.com/gitlab-com/
2016-03-06T14:56:54 < lorenzo> BrainDamage: they're extremely reliable. the problem is that I've read how the whole thing is set up and it's scary
2016-03-06T14:57:11 < lorenzo> there's this ADIC Scalar tape library which holds 48 tapes (went out of support 5-6 years ago)
2016-03-06T14:57:21 < lorenzo> and a software by IBM (Tivoli Storage Manager) which does the manage-all-the-tapes thing
2016-03-06T14:57:24 < lorenzo> like rotating backups and such
2016-03-06T14:57:29 < kakimir> who still uses tapes..
2016-03-06T14:58:04 < kakimir> https://about.gitlab.com/gitlab-com/
2016-03-06T14:58:16 < kakimir> whoops sorry..
2016-03-06T14:58:16 < lorenzo> BrainDamage: so if anything in the chain fails and there are no spares available (good luck finding them for a decade old library) we're screwed I think
2016-03-06T14:58:43 < BrainDamage> ah
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2016-03-06T14:59:45 < MightyPork> wait what, gitlab hosts unlimited free private repos? maybe time to switch from bitbucket
2016-03-06T15:00:23 < kakimir> I wonder what their business model is
2016-03-06T15:00:47 < kakimir> but as if operating such service would cost anything per user
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2016-03-06T15:01:10 < kakimir> your few megs of code and shiet accessed once a week
2016-03-06T15:03:59 < Martin90> I keep hearing "HAL drivers are shi*", do you guys think so also, and if so what is an alternative ?
2016-03-06T15:04:07 < MightyPork> I do
2016-03-06T15:04:21 < MightyPork> the std periph drivers are nice tho
2016-03-06T15:04:30 < kakimir> most likely those are but you should look at them and make your own opinion
2016-03-06T15:04:57 < Martin90> MightyPork: well I've herad the same think about std periph too
2016-03-06T15:05:06 < Martin90> even worst things actually :P
2016-03-06T15:05:19 < MightyPork> matter of personal taste I guess. you can also use libopencm3
2016-03-06T15:05:45 < MightyPork> from what ive seen so far, HAL is like the std periph, but mutated to a huge messy monster
2016-03-06T15:06:03 < MightyPork>  /** { @ begin user code 99 */
2016-03-06T15:07:20 < Martin90> what about STMCubeâ„¢ ?
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2016-03-06T15:08:37 < MightyPork> but thats just a generator for the hall mess
2016-03-06T15:08:43 < Martin90> they are literally HAL drivers + more
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2016-03-06T15:09:30 < Martin90> MightyPork: keep in mind that they are official STMicroelectronics product
2016-03-06T15:09:46 < MightyPork> maybe that is why it sucks so much
2016-03-06T15:10:52 < MightyPork> idk I'm biased
2016-03-06T15:11:08 < MightyPork> it doesn't generate a plain Makefile project, so it's always huge pain to at least get it to build
2016-03-06T15:12:32 < ReadError> Martin90 I like chibios HAL
2016-03-06T15:13:19 < Martin90> MightyPork: after import to SW4STM32 makefiles are there
2016-03-06T15:13:42 < MightyPork> is SW4 any good?
2016-03-06T15:13:56 < MightyPork> been using QtCreator with openocd and it's working nice
2016-03-06T15:14:44 < ReadError> it was complete shit when I tried it
2016-03-06T15:15:05 < Martin90> ReadError: thanks for mentioning chibios
2016-03-06T15:16:24 < Martin90> MightyPork: SW4STM32 hmm I hated it at first but it works and there are build system, debugger etc on the board
2016-03-06T15:16:33 < Martin90> it's based on eclipse
2016-03-06T15:16:49 < MightyPork> yea I've noticed that from the screenshots, rebranded eclipse
2016-03-06T15:17:21 < ReadError> if you use windows
2016-03-06T15:17:25 < ReadError> chibistudio is nice
2016-03-06T15:17:31 < ReadError> shit just works
2016-03-06T15:17:50 < MightyPork> nah dont use windows
2016-03-06T15:18:49 < Martin90> MightyPork: what about that qt creator is it worth using ?
2016-03-06T15:19:51 < MightyPork> it has all I need, just the debugger is a bit pain to set up
2016-03-06T15:20:17 < MightyPork> maybe not if you rtfm and not try to "just figure it out" like me
2016-03-06T15:20:20 < Martin90> have you guys tested SW4STM32 ?
2016-03-06T15:20:45 < Martin90> ReadError: you said you did right ? What was wrong with it ?
2016-03-06T15:21:03 < ReadError> shit just didnt work
2016-03-06T15:21:20 < ReadError> tried something from timecube
2016-03-06T15:21:22 < ReadError> didnt work
2016-03-06T15:21:26 < Martin90> you couldn't vompile, debug or what ?
2016-03-06T15:21:28 < ReadError> tried an included demo or something
2016-03-06T15:21:30 < ReadError> didnt work
2016-03-06T15:21:36 < ReadError> wouldnt compile
2016-03-06T15:21:46 < ReadError> and I didnt want to fuck with fixing or looking in to why
2016-03-06T15:22:18 < Steffanx> fuck them.. register to downloa
2016-03-06T15:22:26 < Steffanx> d
2016-03-06T15:23:32 < Martin90> ReadError: what you end up with ?
2016-03-06T15:23:40 < MightyPork> reason why I'm registered as mr. Notyour Business
2016-03-06T15:23:41 < ReadError> chibistudio
2016-03-06T15:24:12 < Martin90> mhm ok
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2016-03-06T15:39:43 < kakimir> kikecad is fukken with me
2016-03-06T15:39:56 < kakimir> it doesn't show my own lib footprints
2016-03-06T15:40:01 < kakimir> just empty libs
2016-03-06T15:40:07 < kakimir> so I can't change SMAs
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2016-03-06T15:50:42 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKc3lHdnpTZEl3OUU/view?usp=sharing
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2016-03-06T15:53:05 < MightyPork> hmm looked at the SW4 and it's actually nice. But flashing / hw debug does not seem to work
2016-03-06T15:54:04 < Martin90> MightyPork: works for my F446RE
2016-03-06T15:54:20 < MightyPork> yea I imagine it does. something fucked up with the settings
2016-03-06T15:54:31 < Martin90> MightyPork: it works for sure but I believe not out of box - requires some initialization...
2016-03-06T15:55:16 < Martin90> what I don't like about SW is their stupid idea in folders organization
2016-03-06T15:55:52 < Martin90> folders are mapped different in app then they are physically on disk
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2016-03-06T19:00:15 < kakimir> guys
2016-03-06T19:00:28 < kakimir> how vibration proof basic dupont jumper is?
2016-03-06T19:00:47 < kakimir> mounted into 2.54mm strip
2016-03-06T19:02:48 < PaulFertser> kakimir: are you going to take chances based on IRC advice given for random jumpers mounted on random strips? ;)
2016-03-06T19:03:29 < kakimir> I just wonder generally
2016-03-06T19:03:35 < kakimir> how it is
2016-03-06T19:04:33 < kakimir> I imagine placed on top of vibration source such as piston engine those jumpers would slowly drift off
2016-03-06T19:04:46 < PaulFertser> kakimir: the wire length will play a role too I guess. Have you already tried shaking it off manually?
2016-03-06T19:05:05 < kakimir> no.. to short of course is too short
2016-03-06T19:05:46 < kakimir> I wonder how it's done in critical applications
2016-03-06T19:06:06 < kakimir> maybe some select wheels or such are utilised
2016-03-06T19:06:20 < kakimir> dip switches and
2016-03-06T19:06:34 < kakimir> small smd switches
2016-03-06T19:11:23 < kakimir> add holes to board and wire the jumper down
2016-03-06T19:11:38 < kakimir> get avionic certification!
2016-03-06T19:13:59 < Steffanx> ask dongs how his vibrator/dildo does it.
2016-03-06T19:15:30 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-06T19:15:32 < kakimir> i will
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2016-03-06T19:29:12 < jpa-> kakimir: my ebike has a few dupont connectors (2 pcs 2pin, 1 pc 6 pin) and so far they've survived 1.5 months of vibration
2016-03-06T19:29:58 < kakimir> ridig mount?
2016-03-06T19:30:02 < kakimir> to frame?
2016-03-06T19:30:11 < jpa-> not really, and definitely not all the way to pcb
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2016-03-06T19:30:32 < kakimir> okay
2016-03-06T19:30:50 < kakimir> I plan to have pcb very tightly mounted to enclosure
2016-03-06T19:30:50 < jpa-> but as usual with vibration, it just depends on what kind of resonances you happen to get
2016-03-06T19:31:08 < jpa-> the more rigid and solid, usually makes it better
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2016-03-06T19:37:06 < kakimir> yes resonations
2016-03-06T19:37:19 < kakimir> I bet jumper needs quite high frequency
2016-03-06T19:37:32 < jpa-> well if only the jumper
2016-03-06T19:38:09 < jpa-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb2QZQ9Z0vA   if your pcb starts doing this funny stuff might happen
2016-03-06T19:39:09 < kakimir> that is why I have screw holes in the middle
2016-03-06T19:39:17 < kakimir> not just 1 but 2
2016-03-06T19:39:29 < jpa-> and you just doubled the frequency :)
2016-03-06T19:40:02 < kakimir> you happen to have such test grid jpa?
2016-03-06T19:40:13 < kakimir> would be nice to run some test just out of curiousity
2016-03-06T19:40:18 < kakimir> tests*
2016-03-06T19:40:27 < jpa-> at workplace sure, but no, i won't test your board
2016-03-06T19:41:08 < kakimir> maybe speaker coil and amplifier would do
2016-03-06T19:41:20 < kakimir> connected to computer
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2016-03-06T19:41:35 < kakimir> play it some.. justin bieber
2016-03-06T19:41:37 < jpa-> yeah, that is pretty much what we have at work
2016-03-06T19:42:00 < jpa-> though 50kW speaker, but that's just what you'd find in an average student car
2016-03-06T19:42:01 < kakimir> does it have any feedback?
2016-03-06T19:42:23 < jpa-> yeah, accelerometer mounted at whatever position is interesting
2016-03-06T19:42:29 < kakimir> 50kw? what are you testing in it? small airplanes?
2016-03-06T19:42:42 < kakimir> actual buildings?
2016-03-06T19:43:06 < jpa-> IIRC 30 kg maximum mass.. swinging that around at 10kHz takes some power
2016-03-06T19:43:29 < kakimir> is there even practical sources for such vibrations existing?
2016-03-06T19:43:59 < kakimir> or is it to study more like impulses
2016-03-06T19:44:40 < jpa-> i guess the point is to test with higher levels than what would be met in reality; and that is just peak power anyway so i guess more like impulses yeah
2016-03-06T19:44:54 < jpa-> for resonances you don't need that much because, well, it would resonate
2016-03-06T19:44:56 < kakimir> well for 30kg 50kw is nothing
2016-03-06T19:45:22 < ReadError> i want to know if kakimir actually makes/uses all the pcb he designs
2016-03-06T19:45:37 < jpa-> ReadError: no-one makes *all* the pcbs one designs
2016-03-06T19:46:05 < kakimir> that's undisclosed information ReadError
2016-03-06T19:46:37 < jpa-> kakimir: yeah, 30kg @ 50kW seems to be like just 10g acceleration or so
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2016-03-06T19:49:19 < ReadError> damn, final episode of mythbusters, they film an explosion at 50,000 FPS
2016-03-06T19:50:36 < kakimir> still too slow?
2016-03-06T19:50:44 < kakimir> didn't mythbusters end already?
2016-03-06T19:50:49 < kakimir> a time ago
2016-03-06T19:50:51 < ReadError> i guess 10,000 is standard
2016-03-06T19:50:55 < ReadError> no
2016-03-06T19:51:13 < ReadError> series finale was yesterday
2016-03-06T19:53:26 < kakimir> mythbusters just lost the energy at some point
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2016-03-06T20:00:31 < ReadError> ahaha
2016-03-06T20:00:38 < ReadError> they put buster on a rocketsled
2016-03-06T20:00:45 < ReadError> and ran him into a brick wall
2016-03-06T20:00:58 < ReadError> completely disintegrated him
2016-03-06T20:05:11 < Sync_> rekt
2016-03-06T20:05:31 < Steffanx> series final is in EVER ReadError?
2016-03-06T20:05:39 < ReadError> yea
2016-03-06T20:05:57 < Steffanx> i dont follow mythbusters actively, but do enjoy the show once in a while
2016-03-06T20:06:18 < Steffanx> awh, too bad. We cannot do without those 2 guys on tv
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2016-03-06T20:55:02 < kakimir> http://www.cleanroom.byu.edu/MOSFET_calc.phtml looking for mosfet calculator
2016-03-06T20:55:07 < kakimir> this is not what I looked for
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2016-03-06T21:12:13 < Steffanx> jpa- im slightly disappointed. first i was yay new essentialscrap, but it was just a cute puzzle
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2016-03-06T22:25:58 < julius> Steffanx, with stlink you mean that programmer?
2016-03-06T22:26:22 < julius> Steffanx, sorry...you answered me on the 5.3.16
2016-03-06T22:26:26 < julius> its a bit late
2016-03-06T22:27:03 < julius> i was asking of this board coud be used by openocd: http://de.aliexpress.com/item/1pcs-STM32F103C8T6-ARM-STM32-Minimum-System-Development-Board-Module-For-arduino/32478120209.html
2016-03-06T22:27:14 < julius> looks like stlink could be a software too
2016-03-06T22:27:48 < Steffanx> ah yes, but that software belong to the stlink programmer
2016-03-06T22:28:13 < Steffanx> You need a programmer or hw that can do swd for you
2016-03-06T22:29:57 < kakimir> what are your experience with 2mm jumper? is it any good?
2016-03-06T22:30:26 < Steffanx> Why go with 2mm when 2.54" is common and ( probably ) everyone has it?
2016-03-06T22:30:34 < kakimir> size
2016-03-06T22:30:51 < Steffanx> then go solder jumper?
2016-03-06T22:32:06 < Steffanx> so the board itself cannot be used by just openocd, you need some too to program it julius
2016-03-06T22:33:27 < kakimir> good reminder Steffanx I need some of those placed on top of pin strip jumpers for some default seting
2016-03-06T22:33:30 < kakimir> setting
2016-03-06T22:36:17 < julius> ok, thank you
2016-03-06T22:36:36 < julius> yes, the stlink is a hardware programmer i ordered...must have forgotten
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2016-03-06T23:06:54 < kakimir> I wonder if I could turn off ctrl - S function
2016-03-06T23:09:39 < ReadError> why
2016-03-06T23:13:39 < kakimir> so I never ping timeout
2016-03-06T23:13:41 < kakimir> never never
2016-03-06T23:14:25 < ReadError> saving makes you time out?
2016-03-06T23:15:02 < kakimir> its stop
2016-03-06T23:15:12 < kakimir> pauses screen
2016-03-06T23:15:23 < kakimir> on it's tracks
2016-03-06T23:15:40 < ReadError> is this some lunix shortcut?
2016-03-06T23:15:52 < ReadError> in windows thats normally reserved for saving stuff...
2016-03-06T23:16:27 < kakimir> it propably is
2016-03-06T23:16:36 < kakimir> ctrl c kills and so on
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2016-03-06T23:34:17 < artag> can a placement machine fit a solder bump ? You might need to place a zero ohm link to get over a solder massk, or miss the solder mask and get accidental links. I don't know, i haven't tried.
2016-03-06T23:34:29 < artag> kakimir: ^^
2016-03-06T23:36:57 < artag> ctrl-s is XOFF. It tends to stop things with a serial connection and many other streams, even in windows. Only in terminals though, not the sort of screen where it might mean 'save'. I think that usage comes from some IBM standard (the same one that gave us ^C, ^X, ^V)
2016-03-06T23:37:55 < ReadError> artag paste dispenser on a PnP ?
2016-03-06T23:39:01 < artag> ReadError: maybe, but if there were solder resist it would probably shrink away. I'm not sure if it would get accidentally linked without - it would on a flow solder but probably not on paste.
2016-03-06T23:39:57 < ReadError> what are you trying to do?
2016-03-06T23:40:00 < artag> commercial boards do tend to use 0R for links though. Just leave solder blobs for ens users
2016-03-06T23:40:05 < artag> *end users
2016-03-06T23:40:37 < ReadError> oh just stencil them?
2016-03-06T23:40:44 < artag> I was just responding to kakimir's question about links
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2016-03-06T23:57:05 < Laurenceb_> http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Education/article1675356.ece
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2016-03-07T00:00:47 < kakimir> artag: why would I bother?
2016-03-07T00:02:04 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/mADZPUu
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2016-03-07T00:03:55 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016
2016-03-07T00:03:57 < Laurenceb_> lol trolled
2016-03-07T00:04:32 < englishman> wikipedia trolling was boring in 2002
2016-03-07T00:04:52 < englishman> thanks for taking this chan back to the 86k days Laurence Potter
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2016-03-07T00:38:44 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: http://i.imgur.com/5NNQohh.jpg
2016-03-07T00:38:58 < kakimir> my life
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2016-03-07T00:41:33 < artag> kakimir: no idea, don't know what you're making
2016-03-07T00:42:39 < kakimir> just use 0603 jumpers
2016-03-07T00:42:52 < kakimir> solder doesn't really jump over in pcbs
2016-03-07T00:43:08 < kakimir> without draging physically
2016-03-07T00:43:23 < kakimir> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3230854/ seems interesting
2016-03-07T00:45:56 < zyp> kakimir, I'm a heavy sleeper too :/
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2016-03-07T00:55:13 < kakimir> http://imgur.com/gallery/s8kOWXK
2016-03-07T00:55:31 < kakimir> it's really weird when I have jobs I wake up pretty well
2016-03-07T00:55:49 < kakimir> even in early morning hours after just 5hours or so sleep
2016-03-07T01:09:23 < Laurenceb_> http://amazingdiyprojects.com/pdf/edf_microafterburner.pdf
2016-03-07T01:11:32 < kakimir> crap
2016-03-07T01:11:42 < kakimir> it needs more boost!
2016-03-07T01:11:54 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-03-07T01:12:00 < Laurenceb_> nice design tho
2016-03-07T01:12:13 < Laurenceb_> I'm tempted to copy it for a hot air balloon burner
2016-03-07T01:15:25 < kakimir> swedish guy made that years ago
2016-03-07T01:15:42 < kakimir> that youtube rc star
2016-03-07T01:16:23 < Laurenceb_> http://madlibs.shpg.org/madlibs/1atk2rk?created=true
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2016-03-07T02:23:50 < kakimir> damn imgur
2016-03-07T02:24:21 < kakimir> I blame you Laurenceb_
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2016-03-07T02:37:52 < kakimir> jumper unmating force is about 1N
2016-03-07T02:38:13 < kakimir> mating force is about 4N
2016-03-07T02:38:25 < kakimir> this is absolute truth
2016-03-07T02:41:08 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFXOgfzzCn8&app=desktop
2016-03-07T02:41:36 < Laurenceb_> guess what happens there?
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2016-03-07T02:42:50 < Laurenceb_>  8chan /pol/ hq
2016-03-07T02:43:04 < kakimir> hah
2016-03-07T02:43:24 < Laurenceb_> that guy (I'm guessing its a guy) is /pol/ admin
2016-03-07T02:43:24 < kakimir> here you have some public scheme you have to follow in town area
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2016-03-07T02:43:56 < Laurenceb_>  1:10 /pol/ shack spotted
2016-03-07T02:44:09 < Laurenceb_> also why is "he" wearing a skirt
2016-03-07T02:44:54 < Sync_> because scotland
2016-03-07T02:54:01 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/dfjsteve/status/705925529388453888
2016-03-07T02:54:04 < Laurenceb_> lol linkedin
2016-03-07T03:07:18 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gevI96XqAKc holy shit
2016-03-07T03:07:49 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/ cuck meme is bad on admins life
2016-03-07T03:07:53 < Laurenceb_> *based
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2016-03-07T03:22:01 < dongs> Peter_M: your vape boxes are here
2016-03-07T03:22:22 < dongs> and looks amaze
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2016-03-07T03:23:03 < Peter_M> dongs, orly
2016-03-07T03:23:07 < dongs> yarly
2016-03-07T03:23:16  * Peter_M posts owl picture for over 9000 years ago
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2016-03-07T03:23:24 < Laurenceb_> making vapour inhalers?
2016-03-07T03:23:35 < Peter_M> nah, just got some 18650 holders
2016-03-07T03:24:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/RI8IoGw.jpg
2016-03-07T03:24:24 < Peter_M> aww yiss
2016-03-07T03:24:40 < Peter_M> send me an invoice whenever
2016-03-07T03:24:44 < Laurenceb_> very nice
2016-03-07T03:24:53 < dongs> yep will do after figure out shipping
2016-03-07T03:24:59 < Laurenceb_> 18650 is about 1MJ/Kg, very nice stuff
2016-03-07T03:25:11 < Laurenceb_> well the LG ones are
2016-03-07T03:25:20 < Peter_M> yeah, i got a few 26650 holders before, they are keystone clones, but imho they are equal or better in quality
2016-03-07T03:25:23 < Laurenceb_> Panasonic are probably higher but Tesla grabbed them all
2016-03-07T03:25:53 < Peter_M> good energy density also pretty decent power density
2016-03-07T03:26:28 < Peter_M> is a pitty they dont tesselate being round and all
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2016-03-07T03:27:15 < Laurenceb_> pity Li-S doesnt really work
2016-03-07T03:28:33 < wbraun> so there is the STM32_HAL_Driver and the StdPeriph_Driver. Whats up with that? Is there a reason to use one over the other? I guess if I want to use MXCube I need to use the HAL_Driver…
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2016-03-07T03:55:16 < Laurenceb_> http://austinpetersen2016.com/ lul nice site
2016-03-07T03:55:57 < Laurenceb_> at least he can afford an actual site
2016-03-07T03:55:59 < Laurenceb_> https://www.facebook.com/VerminSupreme/
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2016-03-07T04:04:53 < dongs> Peter_M: 7.7kg
2016-03-07T04:14:04 < dongs> Peter_M: sending bill
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2016-03-07T05:16:29 < englishman> wbraun: stdperiphlib is all but discontinued, its not even available for newer chips
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2016-03-07T05:18:20 < englishman> But that's OK since hal and timecube are awesome, especially if you're a pencilneck conformist who tucks his T-shirt into his pants and doesn't like to DMA to any timer register other than ccr
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2016-03-07T06:31:58 < wbraun> I cant tell if you are being serious englishman.
2016-03-07T06:32:30 < wbraun> It seems that you could just setup the DMA manually if you need a different timer?
2016-03-07T06:32:49 < wbraun> But its typically recommended to ditch the stdperiphlib?
2016-03-07T06:32:51 < englishman> sure, you can program your own timer handlers etc
2016-03-07T06:33:02 < englishman> Then what's the point of a hal
2016-03-07T06:33:16 < englishman> Stdperiphlib is dead
2016-03-07T06:33:53 < englishman> St told me 1.5 years ago they will update stdperiphlib for another year then drop it.
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2016-03-07T06:39:13 < wbraun> if there are these issues with hal, what are you using instead?
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2016-03-07T06:47:05 < englishman> I'm using hal and timecube. After trying to make chibios work. St hal works fine, but its clearly made by people with tight collars, is all.
2016-03-07T06:49:11 < dongs> http://blogs.perl.org/users/zoffix_znet/2016/01/python-is-the-new-write-only-linenoise-language.html
2016-03-07T06:53:33 < emeb_mac> perl and python in a duel-to-the-death cagematch to see which language is harder to read
2016-03-07T06:54:18 < Sync_> well perl will win
2016-03-07T06:54:33 < englishman> dongs, more reasons why teslas are shit investments and shit cars for anyone who doesn't live in California and work for Google http://syonyk.blogspot.ca/2016/03/is-tesla-building-throwaway-cars.html?m=1
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2016-03-07T07:04:12 < wbraun> I wonder if they will just switch to a lease model
2016-03-07T07:05:00 < wbraun> prehaps when they are also self driving
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2016-03-07T07:19:09 < Sync_> I like how they claim that what the one guy did was industrial espionage
2016-03-07T07:28:49 < jpa-> Steffanx: maybe i'll write another small one this week
2016-03-07T07:31:08 < jpa-> Steffanx: but don't worry, in two months it'll live up to its name and have only diaper-rolling machines etc.
2016-03-07T07:32:31 < dongs> englishman: plz use "no bom" parts for shit that doesn't need ot be placed on pcb
2016-03-07T07:32:43 < dongs> like doge footprints, SJWs, etc
2016-03-07T07:32:55 < dongs> ther'es a checkbox for that shit in footprint/component editor
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2016-03-07T08:04:29 < Peter_M> you made dongs get out his sharipe from his pooper to you the doge silk screen because you didnt tick no bom
2016-03-07T08:05:35 < dongs> yea man there's more trahs there tho
2016-03-07T08:05:48 < dongs> since he switched to altidong the design stuff is al lfucked
2016-03-07T08:06:04 < dongs> my xy assembly file is just full of 0402CAP type shit and no way to easily crossreference the value
2016-03-07T08:06:18 < dongs> and I need that to find the dicknplace reel when loadin it
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2016-03-07T08:47:12 < upgrdman> is there any way to search through the altium "live design content" from within altium instead of going to the web site and downloading zip files?
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2016-03-07T08:50:35 < upgrdman> we know, but there's plenty of non-plebs in here :)
2016-03-07T08:51:25 < Peter_M> honestly, never looked into it
2016-03-07T08:51:29 < dongs> upgrdman: um, yeah, you just attach it as a vault or wahtever?
2016-03-07T08:51:35 < dongs> its same shit like circuitmaker does
2016-03-07T08:51:43 < dongs> except using it online like that makes all parts access suuuuuuuuuuuuuuper slow
2016-03-07T08:51:48 < dongs> so you're MUCH better off downloading zip files
2016-03-07T08:51:53 < dongs> and copying to your own lib
2016-03-07T08:51:58 < upgrdman> oh really? ok
2016-03-07T08:52:23 < upgrdman> damn, was hoping i could like ctrl-f that collection from within altidongs and just click to import
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2016-03-07T09:30:27 < dongs> besides, online parts contain way too much noice in them
2016-03-07T09:30:28 < dongs> noise
2016-03-07T09:30:38 < dongs> all teh unnecessary custom fields and shit
2016-03-07T09:30:55 < dongs> and i have my own naming conventio nfor stuff
2016-03-07T09:31:09 < Peter_M> 110%
2016-03-07T09:32:39 < Peter_M> i dont need 30 fields of information for this capacitor, i just need 1812 22uf 50v x7r, and mfg part number
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2016-03-07T09:44:28 < dongs> god damn is there a way t o block a shitbay seller from appearing in my listings
2016-03-07T09:44:34 < dongs> newegg is racist as fuck and doesnt ship to alaska
2016-03-07T09:44:39 < dongs> so I'd rather not see their trash in any of my listings
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2016-03-07T09:51:43 < jpa-> dongs: also they spam :F
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2016-03-07T09:53:14 < dongs> what the hell why is 16gb ddr4 for normal desktop shit so hard to find
2016-03-07T09:53:23 < dongs> new shit supports it right
2016-03-07T09:58:14 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/threed-modelling/Design-Product-9866427/
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2016-03-07T10:00:33 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Create-PCB-for-manufacturing/
2016-03-07T10:00:33 < dongs> haha
2016-03-07T10:00:36 < dongs> these guys are STILL trying
2016-03-07T10:04:21 < lorenzo> lol "design me a product"
2016-03-07T10:06:04 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/UtxKWWz.jpg
2016-03-07T10:06:09 < dongs> this is what tehy need "laidout"
2016-03-07T10:06:18 < dongs> teh fuckface doesnte even know how to turn off classes/rooms
2016-03-07T10:06:21 < dongs> for unneded shit
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2016-03-07T10:11:17 < dongs> also, lol pirated altium
2016-03-07T10:12:22 < Peter_M> winter 09, wow fucking ancient
2016-03-07T10:14:51 < dongs> ya
2016-03-07T10:14:53 < dongs> tahts all chinks use
2016-03-07T10:14:56 < dongs> my taiwan pal refuses to use 16 also
2016-03-07T10:15:04 < dongs> he has some ancient fucking summer/winter something verison
2016-03-07T10:15:53 < Peter_M> dafuq
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2016-03-07T11:28:49 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/directional-converter/
2016-03-07T11:28:53 < dongs> what the hell is taht even
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2016-03-07T11:29:21 < dongs> is that a brushed dc driver thing that either drives or charges?
2016-03-07T11:29:41 < dongs> ah its solar /w whatever shit
2016-03-07T11:29:54 < dongs> good fucking luck for $750
2016-03-07T11:30:00 < dongs> he can just buy some shit off the shelf
2016-03-07T11:31:39 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Want-buy-Havij-version-cracked-9867521/
2016-03-07T11:32:10 < dongs> that was f ast
2016-03-07T11:32:34 < dongs> Project Description
2016-03-07T11:32:34 < dongs> Want to buy Havij 1.17 cracked version soft
2016-03-07T11:32:35 < dongs> i will pay good price , contact me who have the app
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2016-03-07T11:33:16 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/need-ellectrical-enginear-urgently.html
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2016-03-07T11:36:32 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/Building-console/
2016-03-07T11:36:37 < dongs> what teh fuck do these azns want
2016-03-07T11:36:43 < dongs> $50k budget
2016-03-07T11:36:51 < dongs> they can chat with me for $50k
2016-03-07T11:36:55 < dongs> with such clear goals
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2016-03-07T12:34:08 < lorenzo> https://www.freelancer.com/u/LindsayHill.html
2016-03-07T12:34:15 < lorenzo> much promising
2016-03-07T12:34:26 < lorenzo> $18/hr, I don't want to know for what
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2016-03-07T13:32:57 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Rhv0We4.jpg made this in rice cooker today
2016-03-07T13:33:27 < qyx> lol
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2016-03-07T13:33:54 < dongs> qyx, have you been taking all teh fun projects from feelancer
2016-03-07T13:34:01 < dongs> there's literally nothign good last week+
2016-03-07T13:34:15 < qyx> nothing interesting so far
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2016-03-07T13:34:40 < qyx> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/CPlusPlus-Programming/Design-Product-9828080/
2016-03-07T13:34:47 < qyx> this one probably
2016-03-07T13:34:50 < qyx> except the satellite part
2016-03-07T13:34:53 < dongs> saw that
2016-03-07T13:35:07 < dongs> satellite modem is just that iridium thing
2016-03-07T13:35:11 < qyx> I am curious why those people tag their projects as "product design"
2016-03-07T13:35:21 < dongs> its just standard uart shit
2016-03-07T13:35:32 < dongs> ATDT+LOLDONGS
2016-03-07T13:35:50 < dongs> fuck me
2016-03-07T13:35:52 < dongs> like 30 pakis on that project
2016-03-07T13:35:58 < dongs> what are chanceas any of them will actualyl deliver it
2016-03-07T13:36:03 < kakimir> I need 20A ESC
2016-03-07T13:36:08 < kakimir> 10% ?
2016-03-07T13:36:17 < dongs> kakimir: go http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__43709__Afro_ESC_20Amp_Multi_rotor_Motor_Speed_Controller_SimonK_Firmware_.html
2016-03-07T13:36:19 < kakimir> with good flashing support
2016-03-07T13:36:31 < qyx> https://adaptivemodules.co.uk/images/uploaded/Iridium9602-satellite-module.jpg
2016-03-07T13:36:33 < kakimir> simonk or blheli?
2016-03-07T13:36:34 < qyx> much rugged
2016-03-07T13:36:39 < dongs> no blowheli
2016-03-07T13:36:50 < dongs> fuck 8051
2016-03-07T13:37:53 < dongs> was washing dishes and listening to binaural beats anti-autism soundtrack
2016-03-07T13:38:05 < qyx> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13745
2016-03-07T13:38:08 < qyx> the price
2016-03-07T13:38:20 < kakimir> dongs: have you influenced to simonk firmware?
2016-03-07T13:38:27 < dongs> qyx: yes thats the one
2016-03-07T13:38:45 < dongs> there was some sale last year wehre it wasn't that bad
2016-03-07T13:38:49 < dongs> just that its pretty useless :)
2016-03-07T13:39:20 < qyx> that cap
2016-03-07T13:39:24 < qyx> powerstor aerogel
2016-03-07T13:40:08 < dongs> http://www.ionaudio.com/products/details/rock-block
2016-03-07T13:40:27 < kakimir> dongs: I need something I can limit output voltage with ESC firmware to certain level
2016-03-07T13:41:13 < kakimir> also it need to be operational from very low rpm and produce full torque
2016-03-07T13:41:35 < dongs> autismir, sounds like your requirements require a $300 esc
2016-03-07T13:41:56 < kakimir> very low as some 1000-2000rpm
2016-03-07T13:42:28 < kakimir> whem maximum for motor is 5000-6000
2016-03-07T13:43:04 < dongs> hm did mikrostar get hired for somethign
2016-03-07T13:43:14 < dongs> qyx: hwo about this https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/golfcard-board/
2016-03-07T13:43:19 < dongs> oh right, budget is garbage
2016-03-07T13:44:20 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/MikroStar.html?ref_project_id=9489654
2016-03-07T13:46:09 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Create-PCB-for-manufacturing/ = https://www.freelancer.com/u/LeoTheFreelancer.html
2016-03-07T13:46:26 < dongs> cehck his first portfolio
2016-03-07T13:47:20 < kakimir> maybe I just limit power with transmitter and hope that the nobody woks with it
2016-03-07T13:47:34 < kakimir> oversize motor has the power to melt everything
2016-03-07T13:47:51 < kakimir> or that transmitter wok itself
2016-03-07T13:48:05 < dongs> shut up before i stick you in a wok
2016-03-07T13:48:12 < dongs> and set gas to slow boil
2016-03-07T13:49:18 < kakimir> my autism is very contagious
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2016-03-07T13:53:55 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Small-DAC-Digital-Analog-Converter/ these guys are gonna have a problem
2016-03-07T13:54:05 < dongs> 1) i have contacts that are mfi, so thats not a big deal but
2016-03-07T13:54:16 < dongs> 2) apple headphone protocol / whatever is 48kHz max
2016-03-07T13:54:32 < dongs> also, they're missing an extra zero
2016-03-07T13:54:33 < dongs> in that price
2016-03-07T13:54:37 < dongs> er budget
2016-03-07T13:55:34 < dongs> the pic of what tehy want it to look like is literally just a 3.5mm jack-sized dongle
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2016-03-07T14:11:27 < kakimir> dongs: arent they all?
2016-03-07T14:11:58 < kakimir> and those who come for serious buy never actually hire any of bidders
2016-03-07T14:12:06 < kakimir> never seen again
2016-03-07T14:17:52 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RG-6-Dual-Burial-Coax-Cable-25ft-Length-28W113-/161858769189 what is this for?
2016-03-07T14:25:07 < artag> satellite dish, I think. twin feed.
2016-03-07T14:26:31 < kakimir> what is that little sad wire in the side of it?
2016-03-07T14:26:42 < kakimir> some power feed?
2016-03-07T14:26:52 < artag> power, maybe ? or switching ? Though I thought they usually did phantom power
2016-03-07T14:28:52 < dongs> dual individual LNB
2016-03-07T14:28:59 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-07T14:29:00 < dongs> the one wiht power for HH motor looks different
2016-03-07T14:29:20 < kakimir> do you have satellite dish dongs?
2016-03-07T14:29:21 < dongs> http://www.discount-low-voltage.com/core/media/media.nl/id.168522/c.1259044/.f?h=aaa823499377e1f0a97e
2016-03-07T14:29:24 < dongs> this kinda shit
2016-03-07T14:29:25 < kakimir> is it typical there?
2016-03-07T14:29:27 < BrainDamage> it's grounding
2016-03-07T14:29:29 < dongs> tho like 4 conductors on proper ones
2016-03-07T14:30:06 < dongs> http://img.hisupplier.com/var/userImages/old/myway/myway$111610265.jpg
2016-03-07T14:30:26 < kakimir> here http://www.hillsantenna.com.au/Products/~~/media/HillsProductManager/Hills/HillsAntenna/HillsAntenna/Antenna/TVAntennas/UHFAntennas/Tru-SpecFringe/Image/TSFimage.png this is the thing
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2016-03-07T14:30:36 < kakimir> also city area has cable tv
2016-03-07T14:30:55 < BrainDamage> most antenna rotators here btw use diseqc
2016-03-07T14:31:51 < kakimir> and if you are rich bitz you have dish in addition
2016-03-07T14:32:36 < BrainDamage> here cable tv is nonexistant, either terrestrial DVB or sat, and more recently, iptv, but the latter sucks horribly
2016-03-07T14:35:03 < kakimir> even in cities?
2016-03-07T14:36:05 < BrainDamage> even in cities, they are deploying fiber now because so far the only connection you could get is trought shitty adsl
2016-03-07T14:37:06 < BrainDamage> altought sometimes they scam you and get FTTC and give you vdsl and still call it fiber
2016-03-07T14:38:31 < BrainDamage> you got murderous animals, start shipping them to foreign countries to threat them to deploy high speed links
2016-03-07T14:40:44 < artag> you've got a government that's committed to protect you from dreadful things on the internets though, amirite ?
2016-03-07T14:41:53 < artag> I'm pretty sure they'll always fail at that. Perhaps that's why they won't let you have a decent connection
2016-03-07T14:46:48 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/KUUBV8x.gifv
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2016-03-07T15:00:58 < karlp> crt: doncha got that fancy NBN? ;)
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2016-03-07T15:35:06 < kakimir> dongs: is blowheli really the suck?
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2016-03-07T15:35:24 < kakimir> if I can't even find any compatibility charts for simonk
2016-03-07T15:35:44 < kakimir> as I seem to have some old ESCs laying around
2016-03-07T15:36:17 < Sync_> there is one in his swaghub
2016-03-07T15:39:23 < kakimir> nice
2016-03-07T15:39:30 < kakimir> even my old shiet is supported
2016-03-07T15:39:59 < kakimir> little bit inbreeded industry that bldc control don't you think??
2016-03-07T15:40:34 < kakimir> there is like few main branches that are with little or no differences in schematic function
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2016-03-07T15:41:07 < Sync_> why change something when you don't need to
2016-03-07T15:41:23 < kakimir> because you could use LPC
2016-03-07T15:41:34 < kakimir> 32bit computing and faster timers
2016-03-07T15:41:42 < kakimir> faster - more accurate
2016-03-07T15:42:20 < kakimir> but hell.. you just want some power out not to be all fancy
2016-03-07T15:42:51 < kakimir> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13tMlu5ldLNpZXwbe6UhDHJhcgTVuljm8HDiDp9WO9Pk/edit#gid=0
2016-03-07T15:43:05 < kakimir> why there is SLASH BLHeli in header?
2016-03-07T15:43:22 < kakimir> so blowheli is some fork of simonk?
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2016-03-07T15:46:47 < kakimir> some bldc controller designs look super dirty
2016-03-07T15:47:03 < kakimir> how high amperage lines go around
2016-03-07T15:47:17 < kakimir> how you pull amps from sot23 fets
2016-03-07T15:47:57 < kakimir> and what comes to bypass caps
2016-03-07T15:48:20 < kakimir> you have barelly enought
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2016-03-07T15:56:04 < zyp> pff, I bet you're just annoyed they don't have any SMAs
2016-03-07T15:57:10 < englishman> just what I need, an rc ESC with smas for phase outputs
2016-03-07T16:01:09 < kakimir> zyp: such an old joke
2016-03-07T16:01:16 < kakimir> I'm all into mmcx now
2016-03-07T16:01:37 < kakimir> because SMAs are so inexpensive and practical
2016-03-07T16:01:43 < kakimir> and everywhere
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2016-03-07T17:22:35 < ReadError> kakimir blheli works
2016-03-07T17:22:38 < ReadError> I like SK better
2016-03-07T17:22:46 < ReadError> but all the good new escs are silabs
2016-03-07T17:28:19 < Sync_> well, same crap after all
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2016-03-07T17:34:45 < qyx> is anyone doing electrical wiring diagrams for houses?
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2016-03-07T17:41:41 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/ux5LfV2
2016-03-07T17:48:06 < lorenzo> mah patriarchy
2016-03-07T17:53:10 < Laurenceb_> the trailer looks worse than robot monster
2016-03-07T17:54:16 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNxz9xbSzY
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2016-03-07T18:00:57 < Laurenceb_> this movie will nose dive harder than American Airlines Flight 77
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2016-03-07T19:33:19 < jpa-> Tectu: are you plug'n'play compatible?
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2016-03-07T19:33:49 < Tectu> yes, backwards compatible to 1.2
2016-03-07T19:34:56 < jpa-> great
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2016-03-07T19:50:02 < Steffanx> Sexy
2016-03-07T19:50:24 < Steffanx> Sauna proof?
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2016-03-07T19:52:05 < jpa-> Steffanx: that remains to be tested
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2016-03-07T20:00:03 < Steffanx> Did you start with the diaper press yet jpa-?
2016-03-07T20:00:11 < Steffanx> Soon you will be out of time
2016-03-07T20:00:18 < Steffanx> If not already that
2016-03-07T20:00:24 < jpa-> no no, i refuse to admit any changes in time availability
2016-03-07T20:00:59 < Steffanx> Oh you will drop him/her just at grandma's house
2016-03-07T20:01:08 < Steffanx> That works too
2016-03-07T20:02:07 < Steffanx> Me imagines jpa- doing this gymnastic pregnant women do. :D
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2016-03-07T20:02:30 < Steffanx> Aand push.
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2016-03-07T20:02:47 < jpa-> grandma is way too far away
2016-03-07T20:03:08 < jpa-> but we can hire steffie as babysitter
2016-03-07T20:03:23 < Steffanx> Babymir is closer
2016-03-07T20:05:46 < Steffanx> Can i bring tectu?
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2016-03-07T20:09:36 < jpa-> sure
2016-03-07T20:09:41 < jpa-> if you can catch him
2016-03-07T20:12:25 < BrainDamage> i tought pedomir has been banned to stay 300m in proximity of schools and small kids
2016-03-07T20:13:33 < Steffanx> I dont trust italians. They made my car and it broke.
2016-03-07T20:14:16 < BrainDamage> how is that related?
2016-03-07T20:14:28 < BrainDamage> also, nobody trusts a fiat either here
2016-03-07T20:15:03 < englishman> lol
2016-03-07T20:15:06 < englishman> >buys italian car
2016-03-07T20:15:07 < Steffanx> Hah
2016-03-07T20:15:13 < englishman> >surprised when it breaks
2016-03-07T20:15:35 < Steffanx> German and french ones arent better
2016-03-07T20:16:18 < englishman> is it a fiat punto
2016-03-07T20:16:22 < englishman> i just like the name
2016-03-07T20:16:45 < Steffanx> Related to you being italian and your statement about -mir, braindamage
2016-03-07T20:17:04 < Steffanx> Grande Punto Englishmen
2016-03-07T20:17:09 < englishman> lol
2016-03-07T20:17:28 < englishman> even better name
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2016-03-07T23:08:24 < kakimir> http://i.imgur.com/ycBPz7v.jpg
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2016-03-07T23:18:23 < BrainDamage> https://imgur.com/gallery/GpE2bHu japan stuff
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2016-03-07T23:32:24 < kakimir> don't go in gallery
2016-03-07T23:32:31 < kakimir> you lose it
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2016-03-07T23:53:27 < Laurenceb_> lol kakimir
2016-03-07T23:53:33 < Laurenceb_> nice soldering
2016-03-07T23:54:09 < kakimir> how is england Laurenceb_
2016-03-07T23:54:27 < kakimir> give me good brit musics Laurenceb_ !
2016-03-07T23:55:19 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpbt85mWVNw
2016-03-07T23:56:21 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-07T23:56:26 < kakimir> and aphex twin
2016-03-07T23:56:51 < kakimir> an all that old stuff
2016-03-07T23:57:45 < kakimir> I don't ever remember
2016-03-07T23:58:06 < Laurenceb_> no decent more recent stuff from UK :-/
2016-03-07T23:58:44 < kakimir> older production of pendulum?
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2016-03-08T00:01:25 < kakimir> that is already oldie stuff
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2016-03-08T00:07:41 < kakimir> boards of canada sounds like summer sun scorched scenery with everything chill
2016-03-08T00:08:44 < kakimir> lake view with sparkling water
2016-03-08T00:10:28 < gxti_> a fair assessment
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2016-03-08T00:15:01 < Laurenceb_> anyone here familiar with EU regs of 868mhz band?
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2016-03-08T00:15:32 < englishman> yes
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2016-03-08T00:15:33 < Laurenceb_> as I'm reading it, if I want ~100% duty cycle I'm limited to 300khz starting at 869.7Mhz
2016-03-08T00:16:05 < Laurenceb_> is there another narrow band for 100% duty at the top of the wireless microphone band?
2016-03-08T00:17:30 < englishman> hmm, what are you doing with 100% duty cycle?
2016-03-08T00:17:37 < englishman> id think horse telemetry could be packetized
2016-03-08T00:17:41 < Laurenceb_> horse telemetry :P
2016-03-08T00:17:44 < Laurenceb_> yeah it is
2016-03-08T00:17:53 < gxti> i knew it!
2016-03-08T00:17:57 < Laurenceb_> but its >50% at times, so might as well be 100%
2016-03-08T00:18:06 < Laurenceb_> as far as the regs go?
2016-03-08T00:18:16 < Laurenceb_> unless I implement AFA ?
2016-03-08T00:18:19 < englishman> kakimir: brit musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WjeWsiujmU
2016-03-08T00:18:31 < gxti> instrumenting ambulances isn't exciting enough so now he's strapping IMUs to horses to get his kicks
2016-03-08T00:18:38 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-03-08T00:18:54 < Laurenceb_> my ambulance paper got rejected by 5 journals :-/
2016-03-08T00:19:20 < englishman> powering ambulances with em:drive, by harry laurance
2016-03-08T00:19:27 < Laurenceb_> yup
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2016-03-08T00:20:39 < Sync_> wot Laurenceb_?
2016-03-08T00:20:47 < Sync_> why were you instrumenting ambulances?
2016-03-08T00:21:16 < Laurenceb_> I'll upload my paper :P
2016-03-08T00:22:15 < BrainDamage> he wanted to find the optimal driving method to murder 100% of the patients
2016-03-08T00:22:30 < BrainDamage> by sustaining 10g acceleration for ~5 min
2016-03-08T00:22:34 < Laurenceb_> http://filebin.ca/2ZTRoJ0isP4E/neonatal_transport.pdf
2016-03-08T00:22:37 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-03-08T00:23:42 < kakimir> englishman: that's like really old stuff
2016-03-08T00:23:51 < englishman> you know what i hate
2016-03-08T00:23:59 < englishman> when someone givs nonspecific requirements
2016-03-08T00:24:04 < englishman> and after delivery increases specifications
2016-03-08T00:24:24 < englishman> thats on you, shittymir
2016-03-08T00:25:52 < Sync_> haha Laurenceb_
2016-03-08T00:26:03 < Sync_> basically all the shock that happens is during handling :D
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2016-03-08T00:27:21 < Laurenceb_> yeah but shock hazard is non-existent
2016-03-08T00:27:29 < kakimir> englishman: I asked Laurenceb_ and I have not still added any requirements. chill
2016-03-08T00:27:44 < Laurenceb_> some of the coauthors were obsessed with shock so I added it to the analysis
2016-03-08T00:27:59 < Sync_> yeah
2016-03-08T00:28:06 < Steffanx> No Gary Niger in the author list, im dissappointed
2016-03-08T00:28:11 < Laurenceb_> difficulty of writing a paper goes up exponentially with the number of authors
2016-03-08T00:28:12 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-03-08T00:28:24 < Sync_> I once instrumented some instruments during shipping
2016-03-08T00:28:33 < Sync_> special air spring lorry and all
2016-03-08T00:28:45 < Laurenceb_> thats the main reason I can't get it published, too multi-disciplinary
2016-03-08T00:29:04 < Sync_> and at the installation site they loaded it on a pallet jack and pulled it over the cobblestone yard
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2016-03-08T00:29:57 < Sync_> it was funny to see in the graph
2016-03-08T00:30:09 < Sync_> everything went well and then it arrived
2016-03-08T00:31:44 < englishman> theres nothing about emdrive in this paper at all
2016-03-08T00:31:48 < englishman> just some baby shaking
2016-03-08T00:31:53 < englishman> no wonder it didnt get accepted
2016-03-08T00:32:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah maybe I should add emdrive to epic win
2016-03-08T00:32:31 < Sync_> well
2016-03-08T00:32:40 < Sync_> you need to expose the babbys to emdrive radiation
2016-03-08T00:34:21 < Sync_> that will solve all of the problems
2016-03-08T00:35:06 < Laurenceb_> ironically it turns out that the mattress and harness is resonant at engine frequency and massively amplify everything
2016-03-08T00:36:33 < Sync_> yep
2016-03-08T00:36:42 < Sync_> needs active dampening
2016-03-08T00:37:02 < Laurenceb_> nah just decent dampers
2016-03-08T00:37:31 < Sync_> pfft
2016-03-08T00:37:34 < Laurenceb_> figure 9a, need to get rid of that peak
2016-03-08T00:37:57 < Sync_> "need"
2016-03-08T00:38:13 < BrainDamage> need 0.5T air suspension optical table
2016-03-08T00:39:26 < Laurenceb_> http://filebin.ca/2ZTRoJ0isP4E/neonatal_transport.pdf
2016-03-08T00:39:33 < englishman> medical grade em drive levitation anti babby shaking ambulance bed
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2016-03-08T00:41:34 < Laurenceb_> was
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2016-03-08T00:44:36 < Laurenceb_> oh yeah he is famous
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2016-03-08T00:58:30 < kakimir> crt: couldn't handle the power?
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2016-03-08T01:09:02 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtqpZ2oF36I jungle beat?
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2016-03-08T02:00:16 < Laurenceb_> permn00b c question
2016-03-08T02:00:28 < Laurenceb_> how do I use a macro for string initialisation?
2016-03-08T02:00:53 < Laurenceb_> I need something like Usart3_Send_Str((char*)"ATS01=FREQUENCYr\n");
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2016-03-08T02:01:06 < Laurenceb_> where FREQUENCY is defined elsewhere
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2016-03-08T02:04:49 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Recruiting-smart-Engineers/
2016-03-08T02:06:05 < englishman> ive been featured on r/iamverysmart does that make me qualified
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2016-03-08T02:07:33 < Laurenceb_> some sort of ## usage?
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2016-03-08T02:07:51 < kakimir> I think I leave freelancers
2016-03-08T02:08:12 < Laurenceb_> come on c gurus, this should be obvious :-S
2016-03-08T02:08:46 < dongs> Laurenceb_: wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut
2016-03-08T02:08:51 < dongs> your question makes no fucking sense
2016-03-08T02:09:09 < dongs> #define GAY_COMMAND "ATDT5551212\r\n"
2016-03-08T02:09:13 < dongs> whats wrong wiht that?
2016-03-08T02:09:42 < Laurenceb_> then you need to add the "AT" part when you define
2016-03-08T02:09:49 < Laurenceb_> hmm ok
2016-03-08T02:09:50 < dongs> printf("cocks" GAY_COMMAND "lol"); works too i think
2016-03-08T02:09:55 < Laurenceb_> oh ok
2016-03-08T02:10:00 < Laurenceb_> simples
2016-03-08T02:10:28 < Laurenceb_> how does it know GAY_COMMAND is a string?
2016-03-08T02:10:45 < Laurenceb_> #define GAY_COMMAND "this_is_a_command"   ?
2016-03-08T02:11:12 < Laurenceb_> I guess yeah as otherwise it'd be an integer lol
2016-03-08T02:11:13 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-03-08T02:11:23 < dongs> Laurenceb_: its just a preprocessor substition
2016-03-08T02:11:23 < Laurenceb_> frequency has to be input as a string
2016-03-08T02:11:26 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-03-08T02:11:50 < Laurenceb_> so uint8_t string[]="gary""niger";   is valid?
2016-03-08T02:11:57 < dongs> ... why [] ?
2016-03-08T02:12:00 < dongs> and yes
2016-03-08T02:12:12 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-03-08T02:12:14 < dongs> #define DONGS " JEWS "
2016-03-08T02:12:18 < dongs>         printf("LOL" DONGS "wat\n");
2016-03-08T02:12:18 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-08T02:12:26 < dongs> ouitpout of gcc -E:
2016-03-08T02:12:26 < dongs>  printf("LOL" " JEWS " "wat\n");
2016-03-08T02:12:42 < dongs> and of course output is still just waht you expect, without ""'s
2016-03-08T02:12:45 < Laurenceb_> ok I get the idea lul :P
2016-03-08T02:13:14 < englishman> Laurenceb_: your answer is on page 231 of "the c programming language" by dennis m. ritchie
2016-03-08T02:13:32 < Laurenceb_> hmm another reason I should buy that book
2016-03-08T02:13:41 < Laurenceb_> do you know it by heart lol?
2016-03-08T02:14:16 < englishman> no its above my desk and i floppped it open to the preprocessor section which is near the back
2016-03-08T02:14:19 < englishman> took 2.7 seconds
2016-03-08T02:14:31 < Laurenceb_> ah
2016-03-08T02:14:41 < dongs> true pro advice
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2016-03-08T02:17:12 < ReadError> hmm
2016-03-08T02:17:20 < ReadError> my 231 has something different
2016-03-08T02:17:53 < ReadError> 2nd
2016-03-08T02:18:07  * Laurenceb_ gets bored and goes back to watching TV
2016-03-08T02:18:19 < Laurenceb_> there is a reality show to mobile phone sales...
2016-03-08T02:18:26 < Laurenceb_> s/to/for
2016-03-08T02:18:39 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-03-08T02:18:43 < Laurenceb_> I don't know who that is
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2016-03-08T02:24:23 < Sync_> what the actual fuck Laurenceb_
2016-03-08T02:26:39 < dongs> also UselessB, just add varargs to your uart_print() routine then you can do shit like uart("ATDT%d\r\n", 31337);
2016-03-08T02:27:00 < dongs> i mean this is the obvious answer right?!
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2016-03-08T02:43:37 < dongs> nice
2016-03-08T02:43:41 < dongs> signing chinese SLA
2016-03-08T02:44:11 < dongs> "xxxx shall have no obligation hereunder to provide technical support of any kind for the Licensed Software"
2016-03-08T02:44:26 < dongs> "here's some shitty code, figure it out, asshole!"
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2016-03-08T02:45:25 < Sync_> kek
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2016-03-08T02:45:38 < Sync_> "you buy it, you deal with it"
2016-03-08T02:46:42 < dongs> nah its free
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2016-03-08T03:02:51 < Laurenceb_> anyone know of an online calculation for running radio propogation models?
2016-03-08T03:03:01 < Laurenceb_> like rural, semi-urban and so on
2016-03-08T03:06:36 < Laurenceb_> http://people.seas.harvard.edu/~jones/es151/prop_models/propagation.html#egli
2016-03-08T03:06:41 < Laurenceb_> this looks easy enough
2016-03-08T03:09:03 < dongs> Laurenceb_: you too can have a chance http://variety.com/2016/digital/news/google-hires-4chan-founder-chris-poole-moot-1201724308/
2016-03-08T03:09:15 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-08T03:09:24 < dongs> the bar has been set pretty low
2016-03-08T03:09:32 < dongs> now any retard can get into google
2016-03-08T03:09:41 < Laurenceb_> why the hell would I want to work there?
2016-03-08T03:09:51 < dongs> thats what I asked myself wehn tehy asked me to work there
2016-03-08T03:10:30 < Laurenceb_> they asked you to work there 4 realz?
2016-03-08T03:10:44 < Laurenceb_> wonder how long before they hire hotwheelz
2016-03-08T03:11:01 < dongs> yeah but htey were looking for someone passionate with lunix and python
2016-03-08T03:11:06 < dongs> so I had to politely tell them to fuck right off
2016-03-08T03:11:26 < dongs> the only thing im passionate about is clubbing python users to death
2016-03-08T03:11:35 < Laurenceb_> and that Jason guy or whatever he is called
2016-03-08T03:11:50 < Laurenceb_> holy shit Egli loss is huge
2016-03-08T03:11:52 < dongs> https://atfp.org/
2016-03-08T03:11:53 < Laurenceb_> this isnt nice
2016-03-08T03:12:21 < dongs> Google launched Google+ as its answer to Facebook in late 2011, but has since scaled back ambitions to make Google+ a social layer for all of the company’s products and services. More recently, Google+ has focused on the creation of communities around topics of interest — something that Poole may be able to help with.
2016-03-08T03:12:26 < dongs> lol
2016-03-08T03:12:27 < Laurenceb_> haha
2016-03-08T03:12:28 < dongs> google+ still exists?
2016-03-08T03:12:30 < Laurenceb_> GoogleChan
2016-03-08T03:12:33 < Laurenceb_> coming soon
2016-03-08T03:12:38 < Laurenceb_> and Google/pol/
2016-03-08T03:12:48 < dongs> google /b+/
2016-03-08T03:14:34 < Laurenceb_> Spirit1 range of 80m... this can't be right
2016-03-08T03:14:41 < dongs> ownty
2016-03-08T03:15:33 < Laurenceb_> no better than BT
2016-03-08T03:15:46 < dongs> why the dick does ctrl+h in excel default to REPLACE column for selection?
2016-03-08T03:16:05 < Laurenceb_> wut
2016-03-08T03:16:06 < Laurenceb_> http://www.wirelesscommunication.nl/reference/chaptr03/pel/tworay.htm
2016-03-08T03:16:11 < Laurenceb_> I fail somethere lol
2016-03-08T03:16:13 < dongs> especially when it doesnt bother taking the selected values as the value to replace??
2016-03-08T03:16:36 < Laurenceb_> time to c&p matlab for epic win
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2016-03-08T03:17:59 < Laurenceb_> moar like 1.5km, thats perfect
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2016-03-08T03:34:59 < upgrdman> is that SFW
2016-03-08T03:35:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.sws.bom.gov.au/Category/HF%20Systems/Online%20Tools/Prediction%20Tools/VUHF/VUHF.php?CatID=6&SecID=7&SecName=Online%20Tools&SubSecID=1&SubSecName=Prediction%20Tools&LinkName=VUHF
2016-03-08T03:35:10 < Laurenceb_> nice
2016-03-08T03:35:19 < upgrdman> R2COM, k, i'll check it later
2016-03-08T03:35:23 < jadew> upgrdman, but it's worth seeing :P
2016-03-08T03:35:26 < jadew> I'd take the risk
2016-03-08T03:35:50 < Sync_> rekt
2016-03-08T03:35:59 < upgrdman> there's some people near me :)
2016-03-08T03:36:35 < upgrdman> "why is the american engineering looking at pron?"
2016-03-08T03:36:42 < upgrdman> i dont need that :)
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2016-03-08T03:37:20 < jadew> Laurenceb, that's awesome
2016-03-08T03:42:56 < Laurenceb_> seems to say about 700m range for 250kbps comms
2016-03-08T03:43:01 < Laurenceb_> I'd be happy with that
2016-03-08T03:43:12 < Laurenceb_> unless there is a hill in the way obviously
2016-03-08T03:46:51 < dongs> or a horse
2016-03-08T03:46:51 < Laurenceb_> uh oh  https://archive.is/smqrZ
2016-03-08T03:47:08 < Laurenceb_> Sage journals need to be saged
2016-03-08T03:47:22 < Laurenceb_> the device goes on the top of the saddle
2016-03-08T03:47:54 < Laurenceb_> human-ice interactions
2016-03-08T03:47:56 < Laurenceb_> I lolled
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2016-03-08T03:51:08 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-03-08T03:51:21 < Laurenceb_> but i prefer 8chan
2016-03-08T03:51:52 < Laurenceb_> thats kind of the idea
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2016-03-08T04:26:27 < dongs> https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2016/03/07/announcing-sql-server-on-linux/ lol
2016-03-08T04:28:08 < jadew> neat
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2016-03-08T04:30:29 < hjf_> hi all. I'm trying to debug a project (micropython) for the STM32F4 Discovery board... but when i hit debug on Eclipse i get stuck at Reset_Handler
2016-03-08T04:30:32 < hjf_> ldr   sp, =_estack
2016-03-08T04:30:50 < dongs> thats cuz python is shit
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2016-03-08T04:42:04 < owl-v-> lol
2016-03-08T04:43:58 < dongs> sup best korea
2016-03-08T04:46:43 < owl-v-> nah, I'm not a nuclear scientist.
2016-03-08T04:47:42 < owl-v-> perhaps, i could use stm32 to control the nuclear reaction :P
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2016-03-08T04:52:29 < owl-v-> 1960s tech... which one is better to use? avr or pic ?
2016-03-08T04:52:52 < dongs> z80
2016-03-08T04:53:48 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/zilog/Z84C0006PEG/269-3892-ND/929204
2016-03-08T04:53:51 < dongs> you can still get them, too
2016-03-08T04:55:17 < dongs> i bet
2016-03-08T04:56:15 < dongs> it has no flash bro
2016-03-08T04:56:19 < dongs> thats why it has A/D bus
2016-03-08T04:56:26 < dongs> you stick ROM and RAM and shit on external bus
2016-03-08T04:56:30 < dongs> address+data
2016-03-08T04:56:56 < owl-v-> I have one 68hc11 but the toolchain is for Windows(which I do not have) Only
2016-03-08T04:57:06 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2016-03-08T04:57:13 < dongs> maybe you should uninstall communist lunix
2016-03-08T04:57:20 < dongs> and download your FREE copy of windows 10
2016-03-08T04:57:28 < dongs> or maybe use lunix to download win10
2016-03-08T04:57:32 < dongs> tho you might have trouble burning it
2016-03-08T04:57:39 < dongs> since lunix deosnt support DVD writers
2016-03-08T04:57:50 < dongs> R2COM: you can still downlaod iso for free
2016-03-08T04:57:55 < dongs> and use it for like 30 days.
2016-03-08T04:58:00 < dongs> then buy a key off ebay for $15 or someshit.
2016-03-08T04:58:04 < dongs> which is wat i did
2016-03-08T04:59:04 < dongs> R2COM: i bought a key off ebay, i dont care where it came from
2016-03-08T05:00:09 < dongs> i couldnt be arsed to plug in my win7 SSD back in
2016-03-08T05:00:12 < dongs> and upgrade to 10
2016-03-08T05:00:15 < dongs> (actually it was win8.1)
2016-03-08T05:00:21 < dongs> and then save the digital entitlement shit
2016-03-08T05:00:33 < dongs> no literally too lazy.
2016-03-08T05:00:38 < dongs> since ii nstalled 10 on a new drive
2016-03-08T05:00:49 < dongs> shrugging.
2016-03-08T05:00:55 < jadew> they work fine
2016-03-08T05:01:07 < dongs> i dont play games OR have steam installed.
2016-03-08T05:01:10 < dongs> and never will
2016-03-08T05:01:17 < dongs> becauase fuck gabe's spyware
2016-03-08T05:01:23 < jadew> you'll never play games?
2016-03-08T05:01:30 < dongs> jadew: no i'll never install steam
2016-03-08T05:01:34 < jadew> ah
2016-03-08T05:01:46 < dongs> jadew: i play a game once a year or something, usually something thats pirated from steam so I dont have to install it
2016-03-08T05:01:53 < jadew> I didn't like the idea either at first, but it's great for the simple fact that it keeps all your games together
2016-03-08T05:02:09 < dongs> i dont need some spyware to keep all my shit together.
2016-03-08T05:02:12 < jadew> I have a bunch of other games that I don't know where they are, where the license is or how to download them ever again
2016-03-08T05:02:23 < dongs> if I did play games they'd be all in d:\games or something but I dont evne have enough of that to care about organizing
2016-03-08T05:02:56 < dongs> currently im playing game of: load dicknplace with fucktarded data
2016-03-08T05:03:10 < dongs> almost beat it tho
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2016-03-08T05:03:39 < owl-v-> I don't have linux at the moment. I have a proud American APPLE computer.
2016-03-08T05:04:42 < dongs> < owl-v-> I don't have linux at the moment. I have a proud American APPLE computer.
2016-03-08T05:04:49 < dongs> holy fuck you should kill yourself.
2016-03-08T05:05:03 < jadew> pretty sure they're made in china
2016-03-08T05:05:20 < jadew> or some other asian country
2016-03-08T05:06:15 < jadew> R2COM, yeah, unless governments will start subsidizing the industry hard
2016-03-08T05:06:27 < jadew> because there's no way for other countries to be competitive anymore
2016-03-08T05:07:11 < jadew> R2COM, there's no other way to kickstart such an economy
2016-03-08T05:07:26 < jadew> you can't manufacture at competing prices
2016-03-08T05:07:31 < jadew> so you can't get the industry going
2016-03-08T05:07:45 < jadew> because nobody will want to suffer the initial costs
2016-03-08T05:07:55 < jadew> so if no company wants to do it, the government has to
2016-03-08T05:08:42 < jadew> R2COM, the problem is that if you leave the market free, china & co will maintain monopoly for ever
2016-03-08T05:08:47 < jadew> because you can't compete with them
2016-03-08T05:08:53 < jadew> they already have the infrastructure
2016-03-08T05:09:04 < jadew> so you can't start making shit at the same price they do
2016-03-08T05:09:29 < jadew> R2COM, if it was possible, people would be doing it already
2016-03-08T05:09:34 < jadew> but it's not happening
2016-03-08T05:09:43 < jadew> consider it yourself, would you be able to do it?
2016-03-08T05:09:45 < jadew> I think not
2016-03-08T05:09:53 < jadew> because 1) machines cost money. 2) taxes.
2016-03-08T05:11:04 < jadew> in the manufacturing department it wouldn't matter
2016-03-08T05:11:24 < jadew> because companies go where it's cheaper
2016-03-08T05:11:27 < jadew> same with labor
2016-03-08T05:11:51 < owl-v-> you need to form a corporation
2016-03-08T05:11:54 < jadew> a country competes for investors (companies) with other countries
2016-03-08T05:12:53 < jadew> R2COM, that guy's dying business can create more money in your pocket
2016-03-08T05:12:55 < jadew> that's the thing
2016-03-08T05:13:08 < jadew> if you don't produce any value, then your money is worth shit
2016-03-08T05:14:09 < jadew> most people don't, because most value is in actual production and that's in china
2016-03-08T05:15:27 < jadew> this wouldn't be some some cheap ass let's feed those who don't feel like working
2016-03-08T05:16:04 < jadew> this would be, "ok folks, looks like we're not producing anything, let's make it so it's worth for companies to produce here"
2016-03-08T05:16:17 < jadew> because yes, this is capitalism
2016-03-08T05:16:34 < jadew> if you can't attract companies, they don't use you
2016-03-08T05:16:55 < jadew> how would you see this happening then?
2016-03-08T05:17:34 < jadew> what would compell you to pay $20 for a PCB, when you can pay $3?
2016-03-08T05:17:54 < jadew> R2COM, that's not a solution
2016-03-08T05:18:04 < jadew> that just means that the majority of the production will still happen in china
2016-03-08T05:18:18 < jadew> because 1) why take a loan
2016-03-08T05:18:21 < jadew> and that's a bout it
2016-03-08T05:18:56 < jadew> the point is that you're wasting money on a production line, when you can just rent one in china
2016-03-08T05:19:08 < jadew> and you don't have to deal with managing people
2016-03-08T05:19:29 < jadew> or any maintainance related issues
2016-03-08T05:19:38 < jadew> R2COM, even if you are
2016-03-08T05:19:47 < jadew> the math says "don't do it"
2016-03-08T05:20:23 < jadew> no, it means that you, as a company are going for the best manufacturing option
2016-03-08T05:20:29 < jadew> there's no point in wasting money
2016-03-08T05:20:35 < jadew> if you can get it done just as good and faster in china
2016-03-08T05:20:47 < jadew> the company doesn't die
2016-03-08T05:21:06 < jadew> but it won't use local resources
2016-03-08T05:21:42 < jadew> the problem is that the economy of the country has to suffer
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2016-03-08T05:21:58 < jadew> that's perfectly normal
2016-03-08T05:22:10 < jadew> and that's the point
2016-03-08T05:22:21 < jadew> companies don't care about the country so they won't do those changes themselves
2016-03-08T05:22:24 < jadew> they don't give a shit
2016-03-08T05:22:34 < jadew> but it's the governments responsibility to keep the economy going
2016-03-08T05:22:38 < jadew> yes
2016-03-08T05:24:13 < dongs> sound advice from R2COM. do less assburgering on irc
2016-03-08T05:24:20 < jadew> people from A should say ok, let's get together and build better assembly lines, right?
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2016-03-08T05:24:39 < jadew> well, turns out they already did that, they formed governments
2016-03-08T05:25:02 < jadew> that's the purpose of the government
2016-03-08T05:25:25 < jadew> that's how you run a country, you have some money to invest, you invest it in making sure there's more money comming in
2016-03-08T05:25:36 < jadew> yeah, in order to do that you need money
2016-03-08T05:25:46 < owl-v-> for force...
2016-03-08T05:25:52 < jadew> yes, and taxes come from?
2016-03-08T05:25:55 < jadew> companies
2016-03-08T05:26:04 < jadew> which are paying the chinese, not the local population
2016-03-08T05:26:54 < jadew> I'm not talking about USA specifically
2016-03-08T05:27:11 < jadew> I don't know how well the USA is doing, but most countries seem to be in this situation
2016-03-08T05:27:17 < jadew> they stopped producing
2016-03-08T05:27:44 < jadew> and the asian countries have such a good infrastructure, it's close to impossible to start competing with them
2016-03-08T05:28:01 < owl-v-> plz help locals ...
2016-03-08T05:28:05 < jadew> R2COM, come on dude... went over this
2016-03-08T05:28:11 < jadew> you can't start small locally
2016-03-08T05:28:20 < jadew> no you can't
2016-03-08T05:28:34 < jadew> because asia comes with the same product at 1/10 the price
2016-03-08T05:29:52 < jadew> that's because china has an amazing economy
2016-03-08T05:30:05 < jadew> not in small part fueled by the cheap labor
2016-03-08T05:30:43 < jadew> of course not, because they have cheap labor and a head start
2016-03-08T05:30:47 < jadew> they already have the infrastructure
2016-03-08T05:31:09 < jadew> they don't need to spend billions anymore to start $10k project
2016-03-08T05:32:11 < jadew> sure you do, because otherwise it will cost 10 times what it costs to produce in asia
2016-03-08T05:32:45 < jadew> and then we're getting back to basic economy, if it's cheaper there, it's going to be built there
2016-03-08T05:33:21 < jadew> and again, the reason it's cheaper there is because 1) cheap laber and 2) they already have the infrastructure
2016-03-08T05:33:25 < jadew> nobody else has this
2016-03-08T05:33:46 < jadew> anyway, I'm really curious what will happen in the future
2016-03-08T05:33:57 < jadew> well, odds are that the ballance will tip eventually
2016-03-08T05:34:10 < jadew> and everyone else's sallaries will plummet
2016-03-08T05:34:47 < jadew> ?
2016-03-08T05:35:48 < jadew> my point is that when you're not producing value, you can't sustain high sallaries
2016-03-08T05:35:58 < jadew> I'm producing value
2016-03-08T05:36:01 < jadew> I'm not in danger
2016-03-08T05:36:04 < jadew> but most people don't
2016-03-08T05:36:09 < jadew> they push papers
2016-03-08T05:36:11 < jadew> or whatever
2016-03-08T05:37:00 < dongs> Japan is quickly becoming one of the oldest countries in the world — the sales of adult diapers have outpaced the sales of baby diapers since 2011.
2016-03-08T05:38:56 < jadew> R2COM, my income depends on how much I can be paid, that in turn depends on how much everyone else is able to buy
2016-03-08T05:39:07 < jadew> if everyone is poor, I'm poor
2016-03-08T05:39:23 < jadew> if everyone is poor, those companies that produced in china will sist to exist
2016-03-08T05:40:43 < jadew> this is a worldwide issue
2016-03-08T05:41:41 < jadew> R2COM, the point is that if you get to that point, then society has failed
2016-03-08T05:43:20 < jadew> you're advocating that governments shouldn't mess with this. I think it's their responsibility, but I'm not sure if they can make any difference anymore
2016-03-08T05:44:21 < jadew> I'm not complaining
2016-03-08T05:44:30 < jadew> just discussing it
2016-03-08T05:44:40 < jadew> the reality is that in civilized countries people who do nothing earn $2000+/mo, while in asia they work their ass off for $200
2016-03-08T05:44:57 < jadew> even if governments wanted to bring in investors, they wouldn't be able to
2016-03-08T05:45:31 < jadew> I guess that's why we haven't seen any attempts at doing this yet
2016-03-08T05:45:41 < jadew> this can only be don when everyone is poor
2016-03-08T05:45:54 < jadew> (I suppose it could be done in Romania)
2016-03-08T05:46:04 < jadew> but we're too stupid
2016-03-08T05:48:03 < jadew> those are different issues
2016-03-08T05:48:24 < jadew> first, I don't think there's reason for war in civilized countries, they can be conquered economically
2016-03-08T05:48:56 < jadew> second of all, the refugees crisis has yet to come to a conclusion
2016-03-08T05:49:16 < jadew> I'm sure there's something we're not seeing behind it
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2016-03-08T06:01:20 < dongs> flycack, why do you even bother buying shit you cant use
2016-03-08T06:08:09 < Streaker> What do you get for 40$ - one replacement bit ?
2016-03-08T06:08:39 < dongs> maybe just a jewbinstein sticker
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2016-03-08T06:17:11 < dongs> k dicknplace running
2016-03-08T06:17:14 < dongs> now i can freelance for a bit
2016-03-08T06:17:48 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/MCU-programming-use-XMOS-tools/
2016-03-08T06:17:51 < dongs> HUH
2016-03-08T06:17:52 < dongs> er, huh. some jap
2016-03-08T06:18:05 < dongs> but why the fuck python!? or xmos
2016-03-08T06:18:06 < dongs> LOl
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2016-03-08T06:20:06 < owl-v-> xmos -> audio signal processing
2016-03-08T06:20:54 < dongs> no
2016-03-08T06:20:57 < dongs> xmos = dumb hype
2016-03-08T06:21:08 < dongs> there's zero reason to use anything xmos, ever.
2016-03-08T06:21:45 < owl-v-> or it just need some fast sampling rate.. like propeller from parallax.
2016-03-08T06:22:05 < dongs> .. lol.
2016-03-08T06:27:11 < dongs> shit nobody uses
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2016-03-08T06:41:41 < dongs> yeah it needs fuckign SQL server 2005 compact edition
2016-03-08T06:41:45 < dongs> for the fucking intellisense database
2016-03-08T06:41:48 < dongs> fuck offfffffffff
2016-03-08T06:43:49 < dongs> you dont have a choice anyway
2016-03-08T06:43:55 < dongs> i unchcked a bunch of shit at vs2015 (full) install
2016-03-08T06:43:59 < dongs> and it went ahead and added htem anyway.
2016-03-08T07:16:17 < dongs> universally stoned
2016-03-08T07:20:26 < dongs> oh ffs
2016-03-08T07:20:34 < dongs> i must be the only fucking user of this dicknplace
2016-03-08T07:20:42 < dongs> raged this morning about matching data load -> feeder auto-lookup
2016-03-08T07:20:50 < dongs> jap replies "oh there was a bug!!11"
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2016-03-08T08:07:13 < dongs> haha man
2016-03-08T08:07:17 < dongs> chinapcb quality is so fucking awful
2016-03-08T08:07:21 < dongs> nevar again
2016-03-08T08:07:46 < dongs> whatever garbage they used for hasl was awful
2016-03-08T08:08:06 < dongs> its totally uneven, and i think its actually oxidized or something and solder joints look like trash
2016-03-08T08:14:08 < dongs> and it almost like the hasl coating has anti-surface-tention properties
2016-03-08T08:14:17 < dongs> instead of acutally helping to center the parts, it fucks them up
2016-03-08T08:14:28 < dongs> pretty awful shit overall. fuck china.
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2016-03-08T08:36:39 < dongs> nice
2016-03-08T08:36:46 < dongs> got fixed dicknplace.exe
2016-03-08T08:38:14 < jpa-> does it now place the dicks at double speed?
2016-03-08T08:38:30 < dongs> nah it was a shitty edgecase in loading data that triggered stuff.
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2016-03-08T09:11:36 < dongs> oh look silabs jp replied me
2016-03-08T09:11:46 < dongs> maybe they're gonna tell me they'll send me my parts in 2 months
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2016-03-08T09:18:31 < dongs> haha
2016-03-08T09:19:37 < dongs> so i have 3 weeks ago order from avnet
2016-03-08T09:20:01 < dongs> wiht "up to 8 weeks lead time"
2016-03-08T09:20:09 < dongs> and these lazy japs just sent me a quote wiht "4-8 weeks leadtime"
2016-03-08T09:20:21 < dongs> avnet shit will likely arrive way earlier
2016-03-08T09:20:31 < dongs> i should probly just tell them to fuck off.
2016-03-08T09:24:25 < dongs> TuNeD WiTh SmD
2016-03-08T09:25:15 < dongs> the only thing I regret doing is not ordering avnet earlier
2016-03-08T09:25:22 < dongs> looks like I waited 4 days for japs to reply
2016-03-08T09:25:25 < dongs> shoulda known better.
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2016-03-08T10:06:59 < Fleck> crt may be dongs brother, another craptalker in here...
2016-03-08T10:07:27 < Fleck> or just dongs with diff nick :D
2016-03-08T10:08:53 < Fleck> nope, I don't talk to mentally ill ppl, sorry
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2016-03-08T10:22:50 < dongs> fuk, i googled shitscale SoM last week for some fgt in here and now all the google ads I see are for that stupid $27 feescale thing from v-whatever company
2016-03-08T10:23:03 < dongs> how the fuck does adsense ever make any money
2016-03-08T10:23:12 < dongs> if they NEVER SHOW ME ANYTHING I ACTUALLY WANT
2016-03-08T10:23:23 < dongs> all the shit that shows up in ads is always AFTER i look at it
2016-03-08T10:25:54 < Emeryth> >ads on the internet
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2016-03-08T10:44:44 < dongs> http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-xeon-e31200-v5-greenlow-family-launched-workstation-chips-incompatible-100series-desktop-chipsets/
2016-03-08T10:44:47 < dongs> lol intel
2016-03-08T10:44:54 < dongs> s. If any one does try fit a Xeon chip inside their Z170 motherboard, then the processor will determine an invalid combination and the platform will simply not boot.
2016-03-08T10:45:18 < dongs> RIP running my old E3-v3 xeon in consumer board
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2016-03-08T10:47:43 < zyp> heh
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2016-03-08T10:51:22 < dongs> http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9848/image_id_1536391_575px.jpeg -> http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9848/Copy%20of%20Z170OCF_4.2G_G4400%20CPU_575px.JPG
2016-03-08T10:51:26 < dongs> lol what a waste
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2016-03-08T10:53:45 < dongs> liquid dick just to overclock a piece of shit 100->127mhz
2016-03-08T10:53:47 < dongs> how useless
2016-03-08T10:54:03 < dongs> 3.3ghz->4191
2016-03-08T10:54:13 < lorenzo> what
2016-03-08T10:54:20 < lorenzo> people still overclock their pentium IIIs?
2016-03-08T10:54:33 < dongs> why the fuck even over clock in 2016
2016-03-08T10:54:39 < dongs> just buy a fucking thing thats rated at 4.2ghz
2016-03-08T10:54:54 < dongs> by the time you spend $$$$ on a fucking water/whatever cooler you can just buy a new processor
2016-03-08T10:54:58 < lorenzo> or write your application better
2016-03-08T10:55:00 < dongs> THAT LOGIC
2016-03-08T10:55:14 < Emeryth> it's about sticking it to the man
2016-03-08T10:55:23 < PeterM> overclocking is only viable when you already have best cpu/vga and need more
2016-03-08T10:55:24 < dongs> ASRock forwarded me images saying that on their Z170 OC Formula, they can successfully adjust the base clock of the Pentium G4400 by 20+%, the Core i3-6300T by 20% and the i5-6600 by over 30%.
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2016-03-08T10:55:28 < dongs> haha pentium G4400
2016-03-08T10:55:33 < dongs> isnt that shit liek $30
2016-03-08T10:56:00 < dongs> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117625
2016-03-08T10:56:02 < dongs> close
2016-03-08T10:56:05 < dongs> $65
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2016-03-08T10:56:31 < lorenzo> who buys that crap
2016-03-08T10:56:32 < lorenzo>  3MB L3 Cache
2016-03-08T10:56:36 < lorenzo> my laptop from 2011 has more
2016-03-08T10:56:49 < dongs> Cons: seems a bit slow .But its only a dual core Pentium
2016-03-08T10:57:02 < lorenzo> are Celerons still around?
2016-03-08T10:57:05 < dongs> yea sure
2016-03-08T10:57:22 < PeterM> intel celery
2016-03-08T10:57:29 < PeterM> it's mosstly water
2016-03-08T10:57:32 < dongs> i think the cheapass pentium-something is teh new celewrong stuff
2016-03-08T10:57:58 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/91534/Intel-Celeron-Processor-J3060-2M-Cache-up-to-2_48-GHz
2016-03-08T10:58:05 < dongs> never mind, even celeron brand still there
2016-03-08T10:58:11 < lorenzo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116974&cm_re=intel_celeron-_-19-116-974-_-Product
2016-03-08T10:58:14 < lorenzo> yep
2016-03-08T10:58:21 < dongs> thats haswdll
2016-03-08T10:58:29 < dongs> the shit i linked is actually kikelake
2016-03-08T10:58:36 < lorenzo> - Supports virtualization in hardware - very useful
2016-03-08T10:58:47 < lorenzo> Pros: it is so slow when you first start up your pc
2016-03-08T10:58:48 < lorenzo> Cons: not fast at all
2016-03-08T10:58:49 < lorenzo> hahaha
2016-03-08T10:58:54 < dongs> haha
2016-03-08T10:59:15 < dongs> J3060 sounds like some embedded shit
2016-03-08T10:59:20 < dongs> they'er not even listing what socket its in
2016-03-08T10:59:33 < lorenzo> dongs: must be soldered on board like those newer atoms
2016-03-08T10:59:50 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/90741/Intel-Celeron-Processor-G3900-2M-Cache-2_80-GHz
2016-03-08T10:59:53 < dongs> ah this is the proper one
2016-03-08T11:00:16 < lorenzo> TDP 	51 W
2016-03-08T11:00:25 < lorenzo> quite a lot for what it delivers
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2016-03-08T11:50:45 < karlp> dongs: you getting veriscite ads now as well?  :)
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2016-03-08T11:57:06 < dongs> yeah
2016-03-08T11:57:29 < dongs> its literally the only ads i see
2016-03-08T11:57:39 < dongs> talk about marketing failure
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2016-03-08T11:59:34 < karlp> totally agree with you on adsense though
2016-03-08T11:59:44 < karlp> I get ads for weeks/months _after_ I found it some other way.
2016-03-08T11:59:49 < karlp> nothing before.
2016-03-08T11:59:55 < dongs> right
2016-03-08T12:00:12 < PeterM> heh, i get ads to buy asian brides, after i already bougth one
2016-03-08T12:00:19 < PeterM> coincidence, i think not
2016-03-08T12:00:35 < dongs> they just want you to buy more
2016-03-08T12:00:36 < dongs> which is OK
2016-03-08T12:01:48 < PeterM> yeah probs
2016-03-08T12:02:38 < dongs> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222045265828
2016-03-08T12:08:07 < dongs> does it? i didnt click that far
2016-03-08T12:09:14 < dongs> SIGN IN TO BREW
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2016-03-08T12:23:43 < dongs> haha
2016-03-08T12:23:48 < dongs> jap replied a couple hours later
2016-03-08T12:23:57 < dongs> after I told him avnet beat him to it
2016-03-08T12:24:56 < dongs> lets see wat he says
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2016-03-08T12:25:31 < dongs> contentless reply
2016-03-08T12:25:32 < dongs> god damn
2016-03-08T12:25:37 < dongs> fuck japs and their retarded polite language.
2016-03-08T12:25:48 < dongs> he hasnt actualyl fucking said anything of value except that he's sorry (which hes not)
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2016-03-08T12:28:56 < zyp> haha
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2016-03-08T12:41:36 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/706185709481119745?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
2016-03-08T12:42:18 < dongs> wat
2016-03-08T12:42:46 < Laurenceb_> he "hacked" Tesla firmware
2016-03-08T12:42:55 < dongs> what is there to hack
2016-03-08T12:42:59 < dongs> tesla shit is nasty PIC garbage
2016-03-08T12:43:07 < dongs> written by newbs
2016-03-08T12:43:08 < Laurenceb_> lul really
2016-03-08T12:43:11 < Laurenceb_> lolling
2016-03-08T12:43:12 < dongs> yes
2016-03-08T12:43:18 < Laurenceb_> epic fail
2016-03-08T12:43:29 < dongs> pal was offered a job  there and did a tour
2016-03-08T12:43:35 < dongs> then he noped the fuck out of there
2016-03-08T12:43:43 < dongs> when he saw how it was all staffed by newbs
2016-03-08T12:44:27 < Laurenceb_> thats how they manage to make it use 80W on "standby"
2016-03-08T12:48:06 < Laurenceb_> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8846103&cid=51654699
2016-03-08T12:48:41 < dongs> no worries for Laurenceb_ getting radiated
2016-03-08T12:51:18 < zyp> 80W for what?
2016-03-08T12:51:38 < dongs> sitting in your garage
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2016-03-08T13:26:38 < kakimir> hello uncles
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2016-03-08T13:40:14 < kakimir> creating 3d model for kikecad
2016-03-08T13:41:13 < dongs> lol.
2016-03-08T13:41:24 < dongs> autismir: http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/
2016-03-08T13:43:05 < kakimir> why would I use that crap when there is one download wide packs
2016-03-08T13:43:11 < dongs> wot
2016-03-08T13:43:23 < kakimir> btw. having all that
2016-03-08T13:43:59 < kakimir> I have special inductor
2016-03-08T13:44:06 < kakimir> AGP2923
2016-03-08T13:44:17 < kakimir> I need model for it to make 3d look more beefy
2016-03-08T13:44:27 < dongs> bwahah
2016-03-08T13:44:31 < dongs> coilcrap just links
2016-03-08T13:44:33 < dongs> to 3dmodelcentral
2016-03-08T13:44:38 < dongs> http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/Search.aspx?arg=coilcraft%20agp2923
2016-03-08T13:44:40 < dongs> but it is there.
2016-03-08T13:44:41 < dongs> so.
2016-03-08T13:44:45 < dongs> just fucking use it.
2016-03-08T13:44:53 < kakimir> sweet
2016-03-08T13:44:59 < kakimir> thanks uncle dongle
2016-03-08T13:45:14 < dongs> protip: next time just goto coilcraft page
2016-03-08T13:45:17 < dongs> and click "3d model" link.
2016-03-08T13:45:19 < dongs> http://www.coilcraft.com/agp2923.cfm
2016-03-08T13:46:08 < kakimir> login required
2016-03-08T13:46:21 < kakimir> do I need to be some sort of customer?
2016-03-08T13:46:58 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-08T13:47:05 < kakimir> what else is there?
2016-03-08T13:47:07 < kakimir> everything?
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2016-03-08T13:48:51 < kakimir> they would like to collect all my personal information
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2016-03-08T13:49:41 < kakimir> even my prone number
2016-03-08T13:50:23 < kakimir> what samples dassault would propably give me?
2016-03-08T13:53:10 < kakimir> can you get that 3d content central to integrate into your altidongs?
2016-03-08T13:55:10 < kakimir> I hope it's not in some shit ass format
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2016-03-08T13:55:44 < kakimir> my god
2016-03-08T13:55:58 < kakimir> this page actually creates any format you wish
2016-03-08T13:56:31 < kakimir> kikecad uses web format
2016-03-08T13:56:36 < kakimir> .wrt
2016-03-08T13:57:16 < kakimir> that is how it should be
2016-03-08T13:57:27 < kakimir> when stuff never usually is
2016-03-08T13:58:04 < kakimir> no shitty tools installations needed
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2016-03-08T14:15:43 < kakimir> can't get it visible
2016-03-08T14:16:34 < kakimir> I need to scale it up
2016-03-08T14:16:47 < kakimir> they have done horrible job
2016-03-08T14:19:50 < kakimir> such a waste of time
2016-03-08T14:23:01 < kakimir> good job crt
2016-03-08T14:23:26 < kakimir> keep it going
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2016-03-08T14:27:01 < kakimir> for inductor stuff
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2016-03-08T14:30:18 < Laurenceb> you can use freecad to convert
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2016-03-08T14:30:28 < Laurenceb> but not to wrt cuz wtf is that
2016-03-08T14:30:51 < kakimir> web concertum stuff?
2016-03-08T14:31:47 < kakimir> like the try to be universal formats of stuff
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2016-03-08T14:37:59 < dongs> did kikemir fix his shitty 3d model yet
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2016-03-08T14:43:09 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/7NHDr7i.gif
2016-03-08T14:43:56 < kakimir> let me install some viewers and shiet dongs
2016-03-08T14:44:18 < kakimir> with blender I would be already done
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2016-03-08T14:52:10 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/kvGmv3c
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2016-03-08T15:22:13 < MightyPork> can CM4 (F3) do LDREXD ? (the double word variant)
2016-03-08T15:22:19 < MightyPork> kinda confusing dox
2016-03-08T15:23:54 < karlp> which doc are you referring to, and what is the context?
2016-03-08T15:24:15 < MightyPork> some awful page on arm infocenter
2016-03-08T15:24:32 < MightyPork> context is I need to store mutex locked state, and lock timestamp, atomically
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2016-03-08T15:25:53 < karlp> what page?
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2016-03-08T15:26:09 < karlp> I mean, you found the insruction...
2016-03-08T15:26:37 < MightyPork> yea but it sayd thumb2 can do it
2016-03-08T15:26:41 < karlp> and?
2016-03-08T15:26:46 < MightyPork> now I found page that says M can't
2016-03-08T15:26:51 < MightyPork> so I guess thats it
2016-03-08T15:26:54 < karlp> what page?
2016-03-08T15:27:29 < MightyPork> http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/26106/cortex-r-versus-cortex-m.html
2016-03-08T15:27:39 < karlp> that's not a page on arm infocenter
2016-03-08T15:27:48 < MightyPork> yea thats the page you asked me for "what page"
2016-03-08T15:27:54 < MightyPork> I closed the tab...
2016-03-08T15:28:01 < MightyPork> just typed ldrexd in google
2016-03-08T15:28:35 < karlp> locm3 uses ldrex, and if you've got the lock, you can write more write? you just want to have a bigger lock, keep the timestamp at the same time?
2016-03-08T15:29:03 < MightyPork> kind of, yea
2016-03-08T15:29:37 < MightyPork> problem is my timestamp is 32 bit. so I either discard the lowest bit and use it for the lock state, or will need some ugly hack
2016-03-08T15:29:53 < MightyPork> tried a struct with guard mutex, but realized it isn't safe at all
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2016-03-08T15:30:31 < MightyPork> the general idea is to do auto-expiring mutex
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2016-03-08T15:31:09 < karlp> as in, "I want locks, but I fucked up using them, so I want them to unlock automatically so i don't hve to worry about working out where my locks are fucked" ?
2016-03-08T15:31:31 < MightyPork> yep, kind of
2016-03-08T15:31:40 < MightyPork> because watchdog won't catch this sort of thing
2016-03-08T15:31:45 < MightyPork> this would be "self-healing"
2016-03-08T15:31:57 < karlp> yeah, I can see the appeal :)
2016-03-08T15:32:10 < karlp> not needing locks works too...
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2016-03-08T15:33:26 < MightyPork> yea well I'm doing some sampling with DMA
2016-03-08T15:33:39 < MightyPork> can't just sit in a busy loop until it completes
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2016-03-08T15:34:25 < MightyPork> so I'm locking the "acquisition subsystem" until it's done
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2016-03-08T15:35:25 < Laurenceb> are you writing this in asm or c?
2016-03-08T15:35:41 < MightyPork> doesn't really make a difference, does it?
2016-03-08T15:35:48 < MightyPork> the LDREX is inline asm anyway
2016-03-08T15:35:52 < Laurenceb> I guess not.. seems overcomplex
2016-03-08T15:35:59 < Laurenceb> cant you interrupt on data ready?
2016-03-08T15:36:04 < MightyPork> I do
2016-03-08T15:36:27 < Laurenceb> so whats the problem, use transfer complete and half transfer complete
2016-03-08T15:36:30 < kakimir> fukken hell they have even normals wron way around
2016-03-08T15:36:30 < MightyPork> I could probably just don't worry about mutex and use a simple boolean
2016-03-08T15:37:25 < MightyPork> Laurenceb: problem is when someone wants to do the DMA and it's already in progress or something
2016-03-08T15:37:44 < Laurenceb> oh you need resource management?
2016-03-08T15:37:56 < MightyPork> of course, thats the idea
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2016-03-08T15:38:04 < Laurenceb> ok I see why its tricky :P
2016-03-08T15:38:08 < MightyPork> it's fairly async already, with event queue and suck
2016-03-08T15:38:14 < MightyPork> *such
2016-03-08T15:38:16 < MightyPork> but suck too
2016-03-08T15:38:21 < Laurenceb> maybe a task queue with callback functions or something?
2016-03-08T15:38:31 < MightyPork> yep thats already there too
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2016-03-08T15:38:44 < Laurenceb> are you using an RTOS?
2016-03-08T15:38:49 < MightyPork> I'm probably doing it all wrong idk
2016-03-08T15:38:52 < MightyPork> no, I'm not
2016-03-08T15:38:58 < Laurenceb> interrupts?
2016-03-08T15:39:00 < zyp> MightyPork, are you sure ldrex does what you want to?
2016-03-08T15:39:07 < MightyPork> yes
2016-03-08T15:39:18 < zyp> which is what?
2016-03-08T15:39:42 < zyp> also, you're correct in that cortex-m only supports ldrexb and ldrexh
2016-03-08T15:39:43 < MightyPork> exclusive read, then exclusive store, check for success
2016-03-08T15:39:53 < MightyPork> pretty sure this part is right
2016-03-08T15:40:05 < MightyPork> I'm probably over-complicating things as usual
2016-03-08T15:40:16 < zyp> yeah, it's a part of an atomic read-modify-write pattern
2016-03-08T15:40:23 < MightyPork> orly
2016-03-08T15:40:27 < zyp> why do you want to do a 32-bit RMW?
2016-03-08T15:40:42 < MightyPork> mutex what else
2016-03-08T15:40:46 < MightyPork> read a bit up
2016-03-08T15:41:07 < MightyPork> I mean I could do it per byte or half word, but it doesn't solve anything in my case
2016-03-08T15:41:11 < zyp> ah, timestamps
2016-03-08T15:41:20 < Laurenceb> I don't know what you want to do lol
2016-03-08T15:41:37 < Laurenceb> so there is a queue of DMA transactions with callbacks?
2016-03-08T15:41:51 < MightyPork> well not really
2016-03-08T15:41:54 < MightyPork> it's a task queue
2016-03-08T15:41:55 < Laurenceb> are the transactions always of set types?
2016-03-08T15:42:05 < Laurenceb> you could predefine them
2016-03-08T15:42:22 < zyp> fuck, now you have me wondering "how would I do an expiring mutex"
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2016-03-08T15:43:04 < MightyPork> I got it all figurted out up to the unlocking
2016-03-08T15:43:07 < Laurenceb> mega lame way
2016-03-08T15:43:09 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/i2c_int.c#252
2016-03-08T15:43:11 < MightyPork> then it fell to pieces
2016-03-08T15:43:25 < Laurenceb> just pre define the tasks then use a mask
2016-03-08T15:43:31 < Laurenceb> if there are less than 33
2016-03-08T15:43:41 < zyp> MightyPork, explicit unlock or expiry?
2016-03-08T15:43:49 < englishman> with bitbanding you dont even need to read before write!
2016-03-08T15:44:00 < MightyPork> explicit
2016-03-08T15:44:18 < MightyPork> cuz when someone's reading my mutex struct, I will fuck it up for them
2016-03-08T15:44:28 < zyp> can I see your code?
2016-03-08T15:44:52 < MightyPork> I guess. will have to fetch it from git, changed it a lot now
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2016-03-08T15:45:18 < zyp> hmm
2016-03-08T15:45:30 < zyp> when I think about it, expiring mutex would be a really bad idea really
2016-03-08T15:46:22 < MightyPork> https://gist.github.com/MightyPork/b0182bde4b5da83475ab
2016-03-08T15:47:04 < zyp> if you fuck up your state enough that a mutex gets stuck locked then you'll probably have enough fucked up state after expiring the mutex that it'll fuck up anyway
2016-03-08T15:47:08 < MightyPork> Why I do it - if something somewhere gets borked, and the mutex stays locked, it'll stay in the bad state indefinitely
2016-03-08T15:47:19 < dongs> mightydong, what the fuck are you reinventing the wheel for?
2016-03-08T15:47:33 < zyp> MightyPork, better do a proper watchdog service then
2016-03-08T15:47:44 < Laurenceb> yeah just use chibios / whatever if you need this
2016-03-08T15:47:45 < MightyPork> I do have a watchdog
2016-03-08T15:47:49 < zyp> which checks that all parts of your system works before servicing the hardware watchdog
2016-03-08T15:47:50 < Laurenceb> this seems overkill
2016-03-08T15:48:14 < zyp> not much point in having a watchdog if you service it without checking that everything is ok
2016-03-08T15:48:15 < dongs> <Laurenceb> hmm. Way too many spaces. overkill: confirmed
2016-03-08T15:48:16 < MightyPork> not sure how I'd check that the parts work though
2016-03-08T15:48:21 < Laurenceb> heh
2016-03-08T15:48:38 < zyp> make a software watchdog that each thread have to report to
2016-03-08T15:48:50 < Laurenceb> sounds like a good idea
2016-03-08T15:49:01 < zyp> if not all modules have report in in time, don't service the hardware watchdog
2016-03-08T15:49:07 < MightyPork> but I have just one thread
2016-03-08T15:49:14 < zyp> wat
2016-03-08T15:49:15 < MightyPork> that handles the events
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2016-03-08T15:49:26 < MightyPork> theres a polling loop that serves all events
2016-03-08T15:49:26 < zyp> why the fuck do you have mutexes in a singlethreaded environment?
2016-03-08T15:49:49 < MightyPork> well its not all that single threaded really
2016-03-08T15:49:53 < MightyPork> cuz interurpts
2016-03-08T15:50:15 < karlp> yar, if your watchdog doesn't catch a locked mutex, your watchdog isn't a watchdog
2016-03-08T15:50:17 < Laurenceb> I'm confused
2016-03-08T15:50:33 < Laurenceb> I write interrupt stuff like this all the time and never have issues
2016-03-08T15:50:41 < Laurenceb> why so complex
2016-03-08T15:50:48 < MightyPork> as I said, I'm overcomplicating things
2016-03-08T15:51:01 < MightyPork> trying to make it realiable
2016-03-08T15:51:07 < Laurenceb> draw all the dataflow on paper
2016-03-08T15:51:25 < Laurenceb> try to avoid crazy spaghetti shit
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2016-03-08T15:52:01 < Laurenceb> if you need RTOS grab Chibi/FreeRTOS and use the built in shit, simples
2016-03-08T15:52:37 < MightyPork> might end up with that.. I've already kinda copied the queues from it
2016-03-08T15:52:51 < karlp> that didn't smell bad to you? :)
2016-03-08T15:53:03 < MightyPork> just the idea, not ctrl c ctrl v :P
2016-03-08T15:53:12 < qyx> uh
2016-03-08T15:53:24 < karlp> "let's copy the ideas, but not the code, so we can introduce our own bugs!"
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2016-03-08T15:55:12 < MightyPork> hmmm okay guess the expiring mutex was doomed to fail from the beginning
2016-03-08T15:55:20 < MightyPork> gonna delete that
2016-03-08T15:56:13 < karlp> got dip switches? https://cdn.hackaday.io/images/2874211408524901621.jpeg
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2016-03-08T15:59:10 < Laurenceb> why does that exist
2016-03-08T15:59:45 < karlp> because china happily made it for him.
2016-03-08T16:00:06 < karlp> some "smart aquaponics" thing http://www.kijanigrows.com/
2016-03-08T16:00:13 < karlp> I was looking at some of the software he'd used,
2016-03-08T16:00:31 < karlp> parsing json with regexps in python.... clever
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2016-03-08T16:25:24 < Laurenceb> this is comedy gold http://phg.sagepub.com/content/early/2016/01/08/0309132515623368.full.pdf
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2016-03-08T16:26:14 < dongs> wow
2016-03-08T16:26:20 < dongs> New!! STM8 free tools with no limits + STM32 free tools up to 32k
2016-03-08T16:26:21 < dongs> Starting March 2016, the popular STM8 compiler becomes free with no technical limitations and also includes a toolchain for the STM32 limited to 32k.
2016-03-08T16:26:24 < dongs> YAY!
2016-03-08T16:26:26 < dongs> Limited to one year, renewable, support included (stm8 only), requires (free) registration.
2016-03-08T16:26:30 < dongs> cosmic stm8 shit is free now
2016-03-08T16:26:37 < Laurenceb> eww dat nastness
2016-03-08T16:26:41 < dongs> works gr8
2016-03-08T16:26:58 < Laurenceb> epistemologies in dynamic social-ecological systems, thereby leading to more just and equitable
2016-03-08T16:26:58 < Laurenceb> science and human-ice interactions
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2016-03-08T16:44:50 < englishman> cool
2016-03-08T16:44:56 < englishman> no excuses for using avr in 2016 anymore
2016-03-08T16:46:18 < englishman> Through a review and synthesis of a
2016-03-08T16:46:18 < englishman> multi-disciplinary and wide-ranging literature
2016-03-08T16:46:18 < englishman> on human-ice relations, this paper proposes a
2016-03-08T16:46:18 < englishman> feminist glaciology framework to analyze
2016-03-08T16:46:18 < englishman> human-glacier dynamics,
2016-03-08T16:46:38 < lorenzo> it must be one of those internal jokes
2016-03-08T16:46:38 < englishman> Laurenceb now identifies as genderqueericebergkin
2016-03-08T16:46:41 < lorenzo> like the signetics write only memory
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2016-03-08T17:04:43 < kakimir> dongs: it's really bad idea to use those 3d models
2016-03-08T17:04:55 < dongs> go on
2016-03-08T17:04:56 < dongs> enlighten me
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2016-03-08T17:08:03 < kakimir> it's just a file shitted out of some program and then that site has it's shitty conversions to it
2016-03-08T17:12:31 < kakimir> I have waisted hours
2016-03-08T17:12:59 < dongs> no
2016-03-08T17:13:06 < dongs> you have wasted hours because you are trying to fit that shit into kikecad
2016-03-08T17:13:12 < dongs> it takes literally 5 seconds to stick a 3d model into altium
2016-03-08T17:13:14 < dongs> and it just works
2016-03-08T17:13:20 < dongs> and I dont need to care what software it was created in and shit
2016-03-08T17:13:23 < Sync_> it also just works in kicad
2016-03-08T17:13:36 < Sync_> at least for me
2016-03-08T17:14:50 < kakimir> try that one
2016-03-08T17:14:54 < kakimir> agp2923
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2016-03-08T17:15:19 < Laurenceb> found SP1ML antenna http://www.mmc.co.jp/adv/dev/csv_pdf/appnote/antenna_applicationnote_01_en_A.pdf
2016-03-08T17:15:54 < BrainDamage> >high gain >omnidirectional
2016-03-08T17:15:55 < BrainDamage> wat
2016-03-08T17:15:57 < dongs> japs make antennas?
2016-03-08T17:15:58 < kakimir> dongs: what is the format for altium?
2016-03-08T17:16:09 < Sync_> not gonna make an account for a 3d model
2016-03-08T17:16:11 < dongs> kikemir, .stp
2016-03-08T17:17:42 < BrainDamage> today i learned -17dBi is high gain
2016-03-08T17:17:46 < Laurenceb> heh
2016-03-08T17:17:54 < Laurenceb> its pretty tunable
2016-03-08T17:18:11 < Sync_> BrainDamage: negative gain!
2016-03-08T17:18:13 < Sync_> still high!
2016-03-08T17:19:27 < englishman> pretty bad even for chiptenna
2016-03-08T17:19:35 < Sync_> ye
2016-03-08T17:19:35 < kakimir> Sync_: it also works fine even when you have no account?
2016-03-08T17:19:42 < Sync_> I cannot download it
2016-03-08T17:19:52 < kakimir> a sec
2016-03-08T17:20:13 < englishman> ah more like -0.2
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2016-03-08T17:20:32 < kakimir> I do some illegal redistribution
2016-03-08T17:24:02 < kakimir> at least normals are flipped
2016-03-08T17:24:41 < kakimir> that is why this shit isn't visible
2016-03-08T17:24:49 < Laurenceb> well in rural terrain with 115200kbps throughput with FEC, SP1ML to SP1ML should be 1km range on average
2016-03-08T17:25:01 < kakimir> there is thing called backface culling
2016-03-08T17:25:03 < Laurenceb> with tx at 2m height and rx at 1.5m
2016-03-08T17:25:18 < Laurenceb> I call that pretty good
2016-03-08T17:25:24 < Laurenceb> much better than bluetooth
2016-03-08T17:25:26 < englishman> at what power and freq
2016-03-08T17:25:39 < Laurenceb> 7dBm, 869.85
2016-03-08T17:25:58 < Laurenceb> that ok for use throughout EU I think
2016-03-08T17:26:02 < englishman> gluck
2016-03-08T17:26:09 < BrainDamage> ah you're using at 870MHz band
2016-03-08T17:26:54 < englishman> 5mW
2016-03-08T17:27:27 < qyx> I like your computational capabilities Laurenceb
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2016-03-08T17:28:27 < qyx> what about 433MHz, 100kbit/s GMSK BT=0.5, power = 1mW?
2016-03-08T17:28:50 < englishman> if you say the horses are RC vehicles you can use more power
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2016-03-08T17:29:20 < qyx> btw 868MHz band aith 7dBm has some annoying duty cycle limits
2016-03-08T17:29:39 < qyx> 10% iirc
2016-03-08T17:37:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQ0hFVWptSFNTZkE/view?usp=sharing dongs, it is so good
2016-03-08T17:37:36 < kakimir> not that it had like materials to it
2016-03-08T17:37:44 < kakimir> it is also inverted
2016-03-08T17:38:18 < kakimir> you site is garbage!
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2016-03-08T17:38:46 < zyp> in norway, Janne is a girls name
2016-03-08T17:38:59 < dongs> jesus christ you autistic fucking fuck
2016-03-08T17:39:40 < kakimir> zyp: pretty much everywhere
2016-03-08T17:40:20 < englishman> lol
2016-03-08T17:40:51 < dongs> kakimir: http://i.imgur.com/MzkHV0e.jpg
2016-03-08T17:40:54 < dongs> you stuipid fuck
2016-03-08T17:40:55 < dongs> there it is
2016-03-08T17:40:56 < dongs> loaded into altium
2016-03-08T17:41:03 < dongs> and working perfectly fine
2016-03-08T17:42:54 < kakimir> okay I need to give it one more try.. stp -> wrt conversion
2016-03-08T17:42:58 < kakimir> if there is a tool
2016-03-08T17:43:15 < dongs> the fuck is wrt
2016-03-08T17:43:16 < dongs> .wrl?
2016-03-08T17:43:22 < dongs> fucking vrml trash?
2016-03-08T17:43:24 < qyx> wtf are you doing
2016-03-08T17:43:26 < dongs> why do people even support that shit in 2016
2016-03-08T17:43:40 < dongs> it lacks basic shit that like any 3d model format should uspport
2016-03-08T17:43:55 < qyx> stp loads even in sketchpu and blender
2016-03-08T17:43:59 < qyx> apparently even in altitrash
2016-03-08T17:44:24 < dongs> ya, wrl
2016-03-08T17:44:25 < kakimir> .stl loads in blender
2016-03-08T17:44:27 < dongs> aids
2016-03-08T17:44:46 < dongs> https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-library/issues/186
2016-03-08T17:44:47 < dongs> lol
2016-03-08T17:45:13 < qyx> aha, stl then
2016-03-08T17:45:29 < dongs> I had to briefly deal wiht wrl
2016-03-08T17:45:33 < dongs> because thats what dicktrace wanted
2016-03-08T17:45:39 < dongs> and wings3d is awful
2016-03-08T17:45:50 < dongs> like it had no boolean ops
2016-03-08T17:45:53 < dongs> "because reasons"
2016-03-08T17:46:06 < dongs> and it had some retarded limitations on faces/triangles
2016-03-08T17:46:25 < dongs> like retarded to the point wehre I just shift-del'd it and used something else
2016-03-08T17:46:49 < kakimir> who uses wings3d
2016-03-08T17:46:53 < BrainDamage> the more time passes the more i think the relationship with cads is like stockholm syndrome
2016-03-08T17:47:17 < kakimir> I tried it and it seems even heavier than blender
2016-03-08T17:47:35 < kakimir> had noticeable delays to it
2016-03-08T17:55:31 < kakimir> sleep ragedong
2016-03-08T17:57:20 < kakimir> so step -> freecad -> kikecad is working
2016-03-08T18:02:13 < Laurenceb> qyx: later, my computer needs feeding
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2016-03-08T18:17:57 < Laurenceb> <qyx> btw 868MHz band aith 7dBm has some annoying duty cycle limits
2016-03-08T18:18:12 < Laurenceb> 869.85 is 100% if below 5mW power
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2016-03-08T18:23:05 < Laurenceb> kakimir: freecad ftw
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2016-03-08T18:29:52 < Laurenceb> qyx: SP1ML to SP1ML performance?
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2016-03-08T18:31:34 < qyx> Laurenceb: yep
2016-03-08T18:31:44 < Laurenceb> its gunna be bad
2016-03-08T18:31:54 < Laurenceb> cuz that antenna sucks at 434
2016-03-08T18:32:32 < qyx> probably better than a random china-made coiled wire
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2016-03-08T18:35:39 < Laurenceb> what height are the stations?
2016-03-08T18:36:29 < Laurenceb>  ~2m  ?
2016-03-08T18:37:31 < englishman> for 1km
2016-03-08T18:37:34 < englishman> over terrain
2016-03-08T18:37:35 < englishman> thru trees?
2016-03-08T18:37:38 < Laurenceb> for 1.5m and 2m I get 400 to 600m depending on terrain type
2016-03-08T18:38:01 < Laurenceb> 869.85 is considerably better due to the antenna performance
2016-03-08T18:38:20 < Laurenceb> thru trees is going to suck, I'm using rural and semi rural
2016-03-08T18:38:49 < englishman> and rolling english countryside
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2016-03-08T18:41:54 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/kbO5j78.jpg
2016-03-08T18:41:57 < Laurenceb> lulpwnd
2016-03-08T18:43:18 < dongs> what is CSA
2016-03-08T18:43:31 < dongs> nvm, its right in teh fucking red box
2016-03-08T18:43:35 < dongs> too stoned, bedtime
2016-03-08T18:44:04 < Laurenceb> lol I'm banned from 4chan, hope I'm not on the list
2016-03-08T18:44:23 < Laurenceb> b& 4 life
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2016-03-08T18:45:41 < Laurenceb> but thats for posting "faces of kitten death"
2016-03-08T18:45:59 < Laurenceb> the faces of death feline edition
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2016-03-08T18:50:33 < ReadError> Laurenceb that post is 6 years old
2016-03-08T18:50:52 < Laurenceb> prob accurate tho
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2016-03-08T19:02:58 < kakimir> Laurenceb: I'm suprised of amount of suck freecad lacks for open sores
2016-03-08T19:03:05 < Laurenceb> exactly
2016-03-08T19:03:09 < Laurenceb> its actually useful
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2016-03-08T19:09:41 < qyx> Laurenceb: ~1.5m
2016-03-08T19:10:01 < Laurenceb> ok, so thats what I ran through matlab
2016-03-08T19:10:29 < Laurenceb> just a bunch of standard propagation models
2016-03-08T19:10:50 < qyx> and 10% BER is acceptable
2016-03-08T19:11:28 < qyx> interesting
2016-03-08T19:13:48 < qyx> I wonder if it is any better than those http://g02.s.alicdn.com/kf/HT1LrhNFLVaXXagOFbXQ/205838328/HT1LrhNFLVaXXagOFbXQ.jpg
2016-03-08T19:16:43 < Laurenceb> prob not but those are a pain to tune
2016-03-08T19:17:02 < Laurenceb> perfectly tuned they are very good
2016-03-08T19:17:15 < Laurenceb> but perfect tuning with them is ~impossible
2016-03-08T19:17:47 < ReadError> ST launches new website
2016-03-08T19:17:51 < ReadError> just got the email
2016-03-08T19:17:56 < ReadError> maybe it wont be slow as fuck
2016-03-08T19:22:29 < qyx> Laurenceb: check 2JE05 antenna
2016-03-08T19:25:21 < Laurenceb> looks very similar to me
2016-03-08T19:25:42 < Laurenceb> maybe slightly nicer PCB position on the corner like that
2016-03-08T19:27:44 < Laurenceb> http://phg.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/08/28/0309132513500373
2016-03-08T19:27:52 < Laurenceb> this entire journal seems to be troll
2016-03-08T19:27:53 < ReadError> still slow
2016-03-08T19:28:39 < Laurenceb> "will allow geographical research to engage within obesity/fatness more carefully"
2016-03-08T19:29:39 < BrainDamage> i'm more concerned about that open sores is becoming sjwsores
2016-03-08T19:29:40 < BrainDamage> https://github.com/Valloric/YouCompleteMe/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md
2016-03-08T19:30:00 < BrainDamage> how is body size discrimination any concern in software development
2016-03-08T19:30:23 < Laurenceb> yeah thats nuts, I'm waiting to get chucked of github soon :P
2016-03-08T19:31:10 < Laurenceb> if I was designing something from scratch I'd seriously consider some sort of foil antenna in the casing
2016-03-08T19:31:46 < Laurenceb> the larger you can make an antenna the better, but it takes a lot of modelling first or you will be fumbling in the dark with your physical prototypes
2016-03-08T19:32:16 < BrainDamage> learn nec2
2016-03-08T19:32:25 < BrainDamage> then wither inside
2016-03-08T19:32:56 < Laurenceb> yup
2016-03-08T19:35:09  * Sync_ uninstalls YCM
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2016-03-08T19:37:43 < BrainDamage> ( the sjw, i don't give a fuck, but it's gonna ineavitably start a fight where it'll be as usual trolls and extremist fighting, and in the result, even less development done )
2016-03-08T19:38:22 < ReadError> hey
2016-03-08T19:38:28 < ReadError> whats that site that lets you measure images
2016-03-08T19:38:34 < ReadError> like if you have a known
2016-03-08T19:40:11 < Laurenceb> The idea the Trump will somehow end the derp is just herp. You don't out-derp derp with derp, you just double the amount of derp. Derp can neither be herped or derped
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2016-03-08T21:44:10 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRkI5X3lud3dzWXc/view?usp=sharing nobody stops you using your per footprint model how you wish
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2016-03-08T22:34:29 < MightyPork> got a weird issue with flash programming. after flashing a program, it all fails. but after restart, all works ok
2016-03-08T22:35:00 < MightyPork> here's my code: https://gist.github.com/MightyPork/9b3706ccac25effa4420
2016-03-08T22:35:09 < MightyPork> any ideas whats up?
2016-03-08T22:37:42 < MightyPork> must be the stlink messing something up with the config
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2016-03-08T23:29:42 < trepidacious> MightyPork: I think I remember having some weird behaviour like that, but it was on changing flash protection level, not just plain flashing
2016-03-08T23:30:10 < trepidacious> In my case it wasn't really that important since you don't often change flash protection, so having to restart isn't a big problem
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2016-03-08T23:35:19 < MightyPork> true. won't be using SWD normally. just kinda pain for the development
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2016-03-08T23:57:08 < MightyPork> lolwut. watchdog breaks stlink upload ??
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2016-03-09T00:20:07 < Laurenceb_> MightyProk: yeah so does USB
2016-03-09T00:20:20 < Laurenceb_>  (if you are using usart1 bootload)
2016-03-09T00:20:28 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/7Lkj4Yx
2016-03-09T00:21:52 < Laurenceb_> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/846/437/107.jpg
2016-03-09T00:24:47 < Laurenceb_> pumping station??
2016-03-09T00:24:49 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/EehLK.jpg
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2016-03-09T00:32:58 < kakimir> for sure the channel is stm32
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2016-03-09T00:44:39 < kakimir> very good actually
2016-03-09T00:45:54 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQUl3STlYWDZJdUE/view?usp=sharing did some M3 in blender
2016-03-09T00:48:11 < kakimir> there is no mosfets on this side
2016-03-09T00:48:55 < BrainDamage> inductor core or screw
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2016-03-09T00:49:08 < BrainDamage> probably screw by lack of label
2016-03-09T00:49:10 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQmdaQWd2X0NJTzA/view?usp=sharing
2016-03-09T00:49:57 < BrainDamage> oh that's a coilcraft trans
2016-03-09T00:50:57 < kakimir> fan supply
2016-03-09T00:53:40 < kakimir> schottkys to improve flyback efficiency
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2016-03-09T00:57:16 < Laurenceb_> whats the nicest way to crease random number (for network collision avoidance) ?
2016-03-09T00:57:22 < Laurenceb_> without using ADC noise
2016-03-09T00:57:43 < Laurenceb_> is rand()  big?
2016-03-09T00:58:28 < Laurenceb_> flyback: CANCUCK
2016-03-09T01:01:21 < kakimir> what you are looking is the most inexpensive psuedorandom there is
2016-03-09T01:04:10 < kakimir> and serial number based seed
2016-03-09T01:04:26 < kakimir> or so
2016-03-09T01:05:20 < Laurenceb_> maybe time based
2016-03-09T01:08:26 < kakimir> what time?
2016-03-09T01:08:59 < Laurenceb_> system uptime
2016-03-09T01:10:21 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/tjvPDLe
2016-03-09T01:16:35 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-03-09T01:16:49 < Laurenceb_>  #highaltitude has finally done something pro
2016-03-09T01:16:51 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/assets/flights/14/envelope_prestretch_2.jpg
2016-03-09T01:19:06 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/hab/flight/2016/03/07/ubseds14.html
2016-03-09T01:19:19 < Laurenceb_> seems to be holding pressure too, mad skillz
2016-03-09T01:22:45 < Laurenceb_> finally an end to "space balloons" with GoPro and raspberry pi
2016-03-09T01:26:01 < Laurenceb_> lul I'm faster than slashdot http://science.slashdot.org/story/16/03/08/2018245/reason-excoriates-paper-on-glaciers-gender-and-science
2016-03-09T01:32:24 < FatalNIX> Hey guys
2016-03-09T01:32:39 < FatalNIX> How hard do you think it would be to use my stm32 as a USB device for my computer?
2016-03-09T01:37:41 < FatalNIX> ah
2016-03-09T01:37:49 < FatalNIX> my stm32 has USB OTG with peripheral mode
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2016-03-09T01:50:12 < Laurenceb_> pro tronics and uber pro envelope
2016-03-09T01:50:47 < Laurenceb_> like this but mini http://hibiscus.projet.latmos.ipsl.fr/projet/HIBISCUS/images/test_BP_web.jpg
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2016-03-09T01:55:50 < Laurenceb_> I bet they could make some nice pocket money selling those envelopes to CNES, JAXA etc
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2016-03-09T02:15:43 < BrainDamage> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=4035 last bit relevant for laurenceb
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2016-03-09T02:29:54 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhLanIowzYQ&t=1s unravel the 90's vibe
2016-03-09T02:38:10 < Laurenceb_> my new favourite is Falcon 9 stage 1 to rotovator
2016-03-09T02:38:32 < Sync_> trsi <3
2016-03-09T02:38:34 < Laurenceb_> actually works with PBO fibre
2016-03-09T02:39:14 < Sync_> well, why not?
2016-03-09T02:39:43 < englishman> Laurenceb_: hasn't leobodnar done way cooler shit
2016-03-09T02:39:50 < Laurenceb_> englishman: no
2016-03-09T02:40:00 < Laurenceb_> thats 10 times more awesome than even Leo
2016-03-09T02:40:18 < Laurenceb_> he had lame sandwich cylinder envelope
2016-03-09T02:40:28 < Laurenceb_> and used an order of magnitude more power
2016-03-09T02:41:32 < Laurenceb_> Falcon 9 stage 1 to PBO based  MEXER  is actually doable
2016-03-09T02:41:57 < Laurenceb_> or MXER
2016-03-09T02:42:04 < Laurenceb_> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/pdf/115871main_MXER_TS.pdf
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2016-03-09T02:43:14 < Laurenceb_> kakimir:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-y07QCc2TI
2016-03-09T02:47:54 < kakimir> okay I need my headphones repaired for that one
2016-03-09T02:48:57 < Laurenceb_> same guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDDnuZAL9ps
2016-03-09T02:49:05 < Laurenceb_> they made a video about my job
2016-03-09T02:49:59 < kakimir> they ridicule you
2016-03-09T02:50:18 < Laurenceb_> the 2D real world footage technique is epic
2016-03-09T02:50:35 < kakimir> reminds me of röyksopp old video
2016-03-09T02:50:52 < kakimir> "remind me"
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2016-03-09T02:55:37 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBvaHZIrt0o
2016-03-09T02:55:39 < Laurenceb_> lol its the sims
2016-03-09T02:59:33 < aandrew> lol royskopp banned the video in canada
2016-03-09T03:02:55 < kakimir> so 2010
2016-03-09T03:03:04 < kakimir> everything was banned
2016-03-09T03:03:54 < Laurenceb_> ban all the things
2016-03-09T03:04:18 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUep-4v_M9k
2016-03-09T03:06:46 < kakimir> british south park?
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2016-03-09T03:10:24 < Laurenceb_> lul thats one way to put it
2016-03-09T03:10:41 < Laurenceb_> I met David Firth once, pretty cool guy
2016-03-09T03:10:52 < Laurenceb_> tho a lot of his stuff is lame and generic
2016-03-09T03:11:45 < kakimir> do you know all cool brit people Laurenceb_ ?
2016-03-09T03:12:09 < Laurenceb_> maybe... haven't met Branson yet, but not sure he counts as cool
2016-03-09T03:13:31 < kakimir> how you end up meeting everybody?
2016-03-09T03:14:03 < Laurenceb_> I dunno... not living in a basement _all_ the time :P
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2016-03-09T03:17:17 < kakimir> I met a dude that makes much more hardcore stuff than this david
2016-03-09T03:19:26 < kakimir> I will show you some day not before bedtime
2016-03-09T03:23:49 < kakimir> seriously it affected my psyche for a time
2016-03-09T03:24:35 < kakimir> deB>
2016-03-09T03:24:50 < Laurenceb_> cya
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2016-03-09T03:46:25 < Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/10753052
2016-03-09T03:46:33 < Laurenceb_> spot the major n00b error?
2016-03-09T03:57:32 < Laurenceb_>  (buffer overrun at line 15)
2016-03-09T03:57:41 < Laurenceb_> not my code, work perman00b code
2016-03-09T03:57:48 < Laurenceb_> sup
2016-03-09T03:57:57 < Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/10753052
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2016-03-09T04:51:49 < dongs> those who collect cash from y ou will certainly give a shit
2016-03-09T04:52:11 < dongs> chek if "spectra logic design" is a patent troll company
2016-03-09T04:53:47 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvpJdNiqZJc duno if old
2016-03-09T04:56:41 < dongs> http://www.oregonlive.com/window-shop/index.ssf/2016/03/coolest_cooler_15_million.html#incart_river_index oopsie
2016-03-09T04:58:08 < englishman> rofl
2016-03-09T05:05:16 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-03-09T05:05:25 < aandrew> coolest cooler my ass
2016-03-09T05:06:14 < aandrew> In order to get a final quote from the factory, Coolest needed to supply it with all the engineering for all of the parts, he explained. And to do this, the company first needed to engineer and design all these parts. This process, plus building up the infrastructure to deliver the products, ended up costing the company "multiple millions" of dollars, he said.
2016-03-09T05:06:19 < aandrew> LOL
2016-03-09T05:06:55 < englishman> and some chinaman is grinning ear to ear
2016-03-09T05:07:15 < dongs> thats cuz they're idiots
2016-03-09T05:07:38 < dongs> http://techreport.com/news/29823/asrock-turns-to-an-external-clock-generator-for-bclk-overclocking
2016-03-09T05:07:42 < dongs> haha
2016-03-09T05:07:45 < dongs> "external base clock generator which provides a wider range of frequencies and more precise clock waveforms."
2016-03-09T05:07:48 < dongs> yaaa man
2016-03-09T05:07:50 < dongs> precise square wavez
2016-03-09T05:07:57 < dongs> much accuracy
2016-03-09T05:08:13 < dongs> fucking gamer trash
2016-03-09T05:09:03 < dongs> solid state inductors
2016-03-09T05:09:12 < dongs> (also sometimes jaspanese)
2016-03-09T05:09:17 < dongs> for even HIGHER quality
2016-03-09T05:09:34 < englishman> how are cpus clocked anyway
2016-03-09T05:09:53 < dongs> 4ghz over  twisted pair
2016-03-09T05:09:55 < englishman> 30c 12MHz xtal and some 0402 8pf caps??
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2016-03-09T05:09:59 < dongs> yeah
2016-03-09T05:10:22 < dongs> o fuck
2016-03-09T05:10:26 < dongs> that asscrack thing comes with killer nic
2016-03-09T05:10:36 < dongs> another shitheap
2016-03-09T05:10:41 < dongs> its some lunix SoC
2016-03-09T05:10:45 < dongs> that they claim makes ping lower
2016-03-09T05:10:51 < englishman> haha
2016-03-09T05:11:19 < dongs> like it is ethernet chip but its running lunix.
2016-03-09T05:11:28 < dongs> wiht all the fail that this would mean
2016-03-09T05:11:49 < englishman> like an oscilloscope that runs windows
2016-03-09T05:12:08 < dongs> nice try trolling bro
2016-03-09T05:12:18 < dongs> nothin wrong wiht scope running windows
2016-03-09T05:12:34 < englishman> as long as it come with mcafee
2016-03-09T05:13:12 < dongs> http://www.killernetworking.com/products/e2400
2016-03-09T05:14:12 < dongs> R2COM probaly has two of those in his gaming rig
2016-03-09T05:14:34 < englishman> according to wikipedia, regular xtals is exactly how cpus are clocked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_generator#/media/File:ICS_952018AF.jpg
2016-03-09T05:14:51 < dongs> ya of course
2016-03-09T05:14:53 < dongs> why would it be anything else
2016-03-09T05:15:09 < englishman> dono, maybe thered be something cool
2016-03-09T05:15:14 < englishman> to generate jiggahurtz
2016-03-09T05:16:05 < dongs> yea reading this gamer trash it sounds like 100mhz or wahtever bclk is whats going into it
2016-03-09T05:16:11 < dongs> and pll takes it to over 9000ghz on-chip
2016-03-09T05:53:44 < englishman> haha https://github.com/CocoaPods/CocoaPods/issues/4989#issuecomment-193772935
2016-03-09T05:53:48 < englishman> using shithub as cdn
2016-03-09T05:54:37 < englishman> 16000 subdirs in project
2016-03-09T05:56:28 < englishman> git on shitbucket
2016-03-09T05:57:01 < englishman> so am i
2016-03-09T05:57:35 < englishman> svn is deader than debian
2016-03-09T05:57:44 < dongs> englishman: what teh fuck lol
2016-03-09T05:57:47 < dongs> also teh fuck is cocoaspecs
2016-03-09T05:57:52 < englishman> some mac shit
2016-03-09T05:57:54 < dongs> that it generates terabyutes of bw
2016-03-09T05:58:12 < dongs> rof, its written in ruby
2016-03-09T05:58:13 < dongs> 100%
2016-03-09T05:58:15 < dongs> page closed
2016-03-09T05:58:27 < dongs> i dont believe a single word that shithub guy is saying
2016-03-09T05:58:33 < dongs> there's no way anything ruby can be used by more than like 2 people
2016-03-09T05:58:39 < dongs> so TBs of bw is coming from somewehre else
2016-03-09T05:58:52 < englishman> ruby is used by over 500 million people in san fran bay area alone
2016-03-09T06:00:43 < dongs> englishman: is that grindr user count?
2016-03-09T06:01:02 < englishman> in bay area alone
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2016-03-09T07:09:06 < dongs> dunno, read up on what power integrators did wiht fairchild
2016-03-09T07:09:13 < dongs> they seemed to have got them on a few technical patents
2016-03-09T07:09:23 < dongs> which was related to how dc/dc converters owrked or somehtin
2016-03-09T07:09:31 < dongs> maybe its literally just in datasheet
2016-03-09T07:09:35 < dongs> i.e. theory of operation
2016-03-09T07:09:41 < dongs> and they patented some way of doing it.
2016-03-09T07:10:35 < Sync_> a lot of cunts to that
2016-03-09T07:10:36 < dongs> wow
2016-03-09T07:10:41 < dongs> this lego movie bd has hebrew audio
2016-03-09T07:11:25 < Sync_> yes
2016-03-09T07:11:31 < Sync_> but if you are the first :D
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2016-03-09T07:12:38 < dongs> then you get sued
2016-03-09T07:12:48 < Sync_> then in the US they have a chance of wiggling out
2016-03-09T07:12:53 < Sync_> that is the way nvidia does it
2016-03-09T07:13:04 < dongs> eh? how do you wiggle out of it
2016-03-09T07:13:11 < dongs> I thought in US would specificalyl make  you pretty much fucked
2016-03-09T07:13:16 < Sync_> claiming you did not know about it
2016-03-09T07:13:21 < dongs> especialyl if you get sued in texas or whatever place
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2016-03-09T07:15:26 < dongs> then they'll just send you a bill
2016-03-09T07:15:48 < dongs> they'll send another one, then some collection agency
2016-03-09T07:16:00 < Sync_> men in black helis will turn up
2016-03-09T07:16:22 < Sync_> over in russia
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2016-03-09T07:17:39 < englishman> the company that spends more on lawyers gets the money so they can hire more lawyers
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2016-03-09T07:22:43 < dongs> hah
2016-03-09T07:22:48 < dongs> they dubbed teh everything is aweseome song
2016-03-09T07:22:52 < dongs> even in jap./hebrew
2016-03-09T07:23:22 < englishman> toute est vraiment génial
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2016-03-09T07:40:07 < PeterM> R2COM, Sync_,dongs for technical patents, for a "solution" that is "obvious" to anyone in the specific professional field it wont stand up in court
2016-03-09T07:40:26 < PeterM> they'll jsut get a 3rd party expert witness an it will be thrown out
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2016-03-09T07:57:57 < dongs> http://www.motorola.com/us/consumers/accessories/Motorola-Keylink/keylink.html
2016-03-09T08:01:47 < PeterM> i linked this in another channel but im sure it is not out of place here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBHukn8Qm8
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2016-03-09T08:19:30 < dongs> lmafo
2016-03-09T08:21:18 < dongs> haha
2016-03-09T08:21:34 < dongs> the TV sellin guy is catching on to the guys troll
2016-03-09T08:21:38 < dongs> around 3;40+
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2016-03-09T08:26:19 < dongs> ready for the hood
2016-03-09T08:28:19 < PeterM> DHERL
2016-03-09T08:28:41 < PeterM> vheeers
2016-03-09T08:28:51 < dongs> PUSS 3
2016-03-09T08:34:08 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9biM_ZfIdo related
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2016-03-09T09:47:02 < dongs> what hte fuck is PMBFJ177
2016-03-09T09:48:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cf395UD.png what the hell is this chinese shit trying to do
2016-03-09T09:48:59 < PeterM> its a mosfet where the source isn't connected to the substrate or something
2016-03-09T09:49:39 < PeterM> its a pretty high speed device
2016-03-09T09:53:04 < PeterM> looks like cbus_ctrl when high addsa bigger pulldown to hdmi_hpd and disconnects it from HPD if R148 isnt populated
2016-03-09T09:54:14 < PeterM> nothing special
2016-03-09T09:54:25 < dongs> 148 is not populated
2016-03-09T09:54:45 < dongs> none of the shits that say "NC" are populated, I think
2016-03-09T09:54:56 < PeterM> yeah, it basically disconnects HPD from HDMI_HPD and terminates it/pulls it down
2016-03-09T09:55:25 < dongs> ya but why that weird jfet shit
2016-03-09T09:56:56 < dongs> maybe ill drop it into falstaff sim and dick with it
2016-03-09T09:57:16 < dongs> er falstad
2016-03-09T10:00:54 < PeterM> that fet has real low capacitances, so it wont load down the lines when off
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2016-03-09T10:35:43 < dongs>  nice
2016-03-09T10:35:47 < dongs> their pinout is fucked up too
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2016-03-09T11:13:46 < dongs> fuck
2016-03-09T11:13:55 < dongs> jfet pinout for P and N is idfferent
2016-03-09T11:14:13 < dongs> fucking why
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2016-03-09T11:14:56 < zyp> haha
2016-03-09T11:15:13 < zyp> hmm, why are you using jfet? I forgot what their advantages were
2016-03-09T11:15:17 < dongs> no iodea
2016-03-09T11:15:25 < dongs> im copying this chink schema. my analog pal says to keep it
2016-03-09T11:15:43 < dongs> actualyl that shit i pasted is wrong too
2016-03-09T11:16:02 < PeterM> is not a jfet
2016-03-09T11:16:08 < dongs> isnt it?
2016-03-09T11:16:11 < dongs> thats what nxp calls it
2016-03-09T11:16:17 < dongs> p-cahnnel junction fet
2016-03-09T11:16:17 < PeterM> its a mosfet but source/drain isnt connected to the substrate
2016-03-09T11:16:36 < dongs> eor  is junction related to p-ch part
2016-03-09T11:16:52 < dongs> (in that case why repeat it)
2016-03-09T11:16:58 < PeterM> o shit is jfet
2016-03-09T11:17:01 < PeterM> mah bad
2016-03-09T11:17:17 < PeterM> thats what i get for skimming the DS
2016-03-09T11:17:32 < dongs> APPLICATIONS
2016-03-09T11:17:32 < dongs>  Pre-amplifiers in AM car radios.
2016-03-09T11:17:37 < dongs> well, thats awfully specific.
2016-03-09T11:17:43 < zyp> haha
2016-03-09T11:17:58 < dongs> thats what you use a n-jfet for.
2016-03-09T11:18:32 < zyp> hmm, I wonder if the radio in my new car supports AM
2016-03-09T11:18:43 < dongs> i know my new card does
2016-03-09T11:18:44 < dongs> car
2016-03-09T11:18:45 < zyp> and if it does, I wonder why
2016-03-09T11:18:54 < dongs> japs have highway radio on 1620kHz
2016-03-09T11:19:00 < dongs> and NHK is still broadcasting on AM
2016-03-09T11:19:04 < dongs> 2 channels I think
2016-03-09T11:19:24 < zyp> there haven't been AM broadcasts in Norway for as long as I can remember
2016-03-09T11:19:29 < dongs> heh
2016-03-09T11:19:31 < dongs> rly?
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2016-03-09T11:19:45 < zyp> and the FM network is due to be shut down soon
2016-03-09T11:19:54 < dongs> whats replacing it?
2016-03-09T11:19:56 < dongs> DMB or whatever?
2016-03-09T11:19:58 < PeterM> AM radio has huge range and is often used for emergency
2016-03-09T11:19:59 < dongs> DAB
2016-03-09T11:20:23 < zyp> DAB, yes
2016-03-09T11:20:41 < dongs> http://media.digikey.com/pdf/PCNs/NXP/201311006I.pdf
2016-03-09T11:21:09 < zyp> hmm, they're starting to kill off the FM network in january next year, and expect to be done by december
2016-03-09T11:24:28 < dongs> hm, the ipc  footprint thing does generate nice looking .step models for SOT/TQFP etc
2016-03-09T11:24:32 < dongs> very nice
2016-03-09T11:26:03 < BrainDamage> jfet are "good" because they are the sweet point between gain and low 1/f noise
2016-03-09T11:26:12 < BrainDamage> but in practice they are shit to use
2016-03-09T11:27:18 < BrainDamage> they are typically used as input stage by shit like electrometers, or opamps, mostly integrated stuff that has hybrid of bjt because the same process can make jfets with minor changes
2016-03-09T11:27:34 < BrainDamage> discrete are really rare
2016-03-09T11:38:41 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Assist-Senior-Electrical-Engineer-Altium/
2016-03-09T11:39:45 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Building-pan-tilt-camera/
2016-03-09T11:40:27 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Construct-bespoke-device/ haha
2016-03-09T11:44:16 < dongs> hmm. my sot23/3/5/6 footprints can be 0.2mm shorter
2016-03-09T11:45:15 < PeterM> jsut be careful that the epoxy that overhangs o nthe edge isnt too much
2016-03-09T11:45:34 < PeterM> some mfgs have tighter tolerances than otehrs
2016-03-09T11:45:40 < dongs> nah this is pad  to pad width
2016-03-09T11:45:45 < PeterM> ahh
2016-03-09T11:45:47 < dongs> not the plastic part width
2016-03-09T11:46:38 < dongs> ya i tihnk ill keep the IPC generated stuff.
2016-03-09T11:46:41 < dongs> looks lightly better
2016-03-09T11:53:08 < dongs> heh chinagirl went to some recruiter fair thing to look for more poeple to hire and out of 29ppl nobody wanted to work there
2016-03-09T11:59:23 < PeterM> dongs to work in her brokering thing?
2016-03-09T12:01:55 < dongs> PeterM: ya
2016-03-09T12:02:20 < dongs> none of the new graduates were interested in electronic shit
2016-03-09T12:02:51 < PeterM> what are the interested in? chinas growing AV sector?
2016-03-09T12:02:59 < dongs> probly
2016-03-09T12:07:28 < dongs> like college  graduates? or wahtever
2016-03-09T12:07:42 < dongs> fuck knows what thier degree was
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2016-03-09T12:12:41 < dongs> alchoholic.
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2016-03-09T12:15:21 < dongs> so fucking old
2016-03-09T12:15:25 < dongs> i tweeted this shit like 2 weeks ago
2016-03-09T12:15:46 < dongs> why does girl in purple have like some kitchen sinks behind her
2016-03-09T12:16:00 < dongs> that doesnt look like a kind of office you'd be soldering shit into a computer motherboard in
2016-03-09T12:16:20 < dongs> holy fuck 1.6mil views
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2016-03-09T12:32:54 < CRTT> sup crt
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2016-03-09T13:17:50 < kakimir> it's school chem lab you fool
2016-03-09T13:19:28 < kakimir> in those deep plastic sinks you wash down your chemical creation
2016-03-09T13:20:05 < lorenzo> meth
2016-03-09T13:20:13 < lorenzo> don't you watch tv these days
2016-03-09T13:20:15 < lorenzo> it's all about meth
2016-03-09T13:21:25 < kakimir> there is even ventilated safety box kinda thing
2016-03-09T13:21:50 < kakimir> that you see in chemlabs
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2016-03-09T13:31:45 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-09T13:32:06 < kakimir> more than I have already told?
2016-03-09T13:32:41 < kakimir> I hope soon
2016-03-09T13:32:49 < kakimir> in a month
2016-03-09T13:33:57 < kakimir> its not ready, i have to budget it and order takea 3weeks to arrive
2016-03-09T13:34:35 < kakimir> deoends
2016-03-09T13:34:41 < kakimir> depends
2016-03-09T13:35:12 < kakimir> to who
2016-03-09T13:35:20 < kakimir> and how many
2016-03-09T13:36:15 < kakimir> it's a demo
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2016-03-09T14:09:29 < karlp> is st's website any better/faster/newer for anyone?
2016-03-09T14:09:39 < karlp> I'm not really seeing any changes, but they emailed to tell me about how new and shiny it was
2016-03-09T14:14:10 < Steffanx> Its responsive now. Totally 2016 phone ready
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2016-03-09T14:18:41 < zyp> did they shit up the website again?
2016-03-09T14:19:22 < karlp> looks the same to me, but they sent me marketting email bragging baout how cool and new it is
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2016-03-09T14:20:30 < zyp> ah, yeah, I got that too
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2016-03-09T14:24:54 < dongs> http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2016/03/08/shizuoka-police-arrest-american-teacher-suspected-in-flashing-incidents/
2016-03-09T14:25:19 < Sync_> the fuck
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2016-03-09T14:26:03 < dongs> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2273319/ is on tv so far boring as shit
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2016-03-09T14:26:47 < dongs> http://img.banggood.com/thumb/large/oaupload/banggood/images/20/BF/d81617fa-9a7f-4db9-9019-12a6c3056124.jpg
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2016-03-09T14:27:08 < kakimir> do bldc motos have rotation direction or wtf
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2016-03-09T14:27:14 < dongs> lol
2016-03-09T14:27:16 < dongs> no kakimir .
2016-03-09T14:27:22 < dongs> you swap any 2 wires to make it go in reverse.
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2016-03-09T14:28:08 < kakimir> when there is something like "you dont need to recoil your shit with simonk"
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2016-03-09T14:28:30 < kakimir> that means that it has.. reverse?
2016-03-09T14:28:45 < dongs> yeah you can commutate backwards
2016-03-09T14:28:49 < dongs> then it will gon in reverse
2016-03-09T14:28:59 < dongs> the 6 steps of commutation
2016-03-09T14:29:19 < kakimir> who would ever do that?
2016-03-09T14:29:26 < dongs> people who want to reverse it
2016-03-09T14:29:39 < FatalNIX> Do you think that the GPIO on the STM32 boards are capable of rising and falling at a rate to give me 1 symbol per microsecond?
2016-03-09T14:29:41 < dongs> http://in.renesas.com/media/applications/key_technology/motor_control/motor_algorithms/child_folder/trap_waveforms.gif
2016-03-09T14:29:58 < dongs> FatalNIX: wahts microsecond, 1/1000second?
2016-03-09T14:29:59 < kakimir> I mean does people recoil their stuff to not swap wires?
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2016-03-09T14:30:03 < kakimir> :D
2016-03-09T14:30:09 < kakimir> recoil = swap?
2016-03-09T14:30:14 < FatalNIX> dongs, that's 1 milisecond
2016-03-09T14:30:30 < FatalNIX> 1 microsecond is 1/1000 of a milisecond
2016-03-09T14:30:40 < FatalNIX> I am clocking the STM32 module at 72 Mhz
2016-03-09T14:30:46 < kakimir> I got autism confusion with word recoil in it
2016-03-09T14:30:50 < dongs> so thats just 1MHz
2016-03-09T14:30:51 < FatalNIX> so that part is no problem, but I was concerned of the wiring on the gpio
2016-03-09T14:30:53 < dongs> yes absolutely.
2016-03-09T14:30:56 < FatalNIX> ok
2016-03-09T14:31:15 < dongs> if yo uwant it "accurate" i suggest using output capture.
2016-03-09T14:31:18 < FatalNIX> I didn't know if I would get some strange not so square wave patterns at that point
2016-03-09T14:31:19 < dongs> er output compare/wahtever
2016-03-09T14:31:20 < dongs> timer shit.
2016-03-09T14:31:24 < dongs> no, its fine.
2016-03-09T14:31:31 < FatalNIX> neat
2016-03-09T14:31:33 < dongs> you can use the stronger drive setup (2/10/50MHz)
2016-03-09T14:31:48 < FatalNIX> I'm making my stm32 module into a Nintendo 64 controller dongle
2016-03-09T14:31:49 < FatalNIX> :D
2016-03-09T14:31:57 < dongs> you stll have a n64?
2016-03-09T14:32:00 < FatalNIX> yes
2016-03-09T14:32:10 < dongs> i smashed mine to pieces like..20 years ago if not more
2016-03-09T14:32:25 < FatalNIX> and I have an xbox controller for my desktop, but the joysticks are breaking, etc, and I was like, well maybe I could use my STM32 to interface it
2016-03-09T14:32:32 < dongs> ok maybe 15.
2016-03-09T14:32:34 < PeterM> kakimir, recoiling is the process of commutating the motor to generate back emf to sense its direction/position, often this commutates teh motor back a pole or two before proceeding forward
2016-03-09T14:32:40 < FatalNIX> I think the way I will do it is not make it act as a USB device though, and instead just spit it over 115200 serial
2016-03-09T14:32:50 < dongs> oh
2016-03-09T14:32:56 < dongs> you are hooking up n64 thing to pc as usb hid.
2016-03-09T14:32:57 < dongs> right.
2016-03-09T14:33:04 < FatalNIX> well
2016-03-09T14:33:28 < FatalNIX> I looked at the USB stuff and I do not understand it much, at least I don't know enough about USB and the manual is pretty vague
2016-03-09T14:33:36 < FatalNIX> so I figure I can just pipe it over serial cable
2016-03-09T14:33:55 < FatalNIX> even at 115200 it should be way fast enough
2016-03-09T14:34:04 < FatalNIX> for a game
2016-03-09T14:34:15 < karlp> clearly you'r enot a serious g3mer
2016-03-09T14:34:21 < FatalNIX> LOL
2016-03-09T14:34:48 < FatalNIX> it would be cool to figure out how to make a USB peripheral with it though
2016-03-09T14:34:55 < dongs> FatalNIX: looks super straightforward to do with stm http://www.pieter-jan.com/node/10
2016-03-09T14:35:08 < FatalNIX> yeah I saw that
2016-03-09T14:35:18 < FatalNIX> that's what got me the idea
2016-03-09T14:35:24 < dongs> except fuck pic
2016-03-09T14:35:30 < FatalNIX> I don't like PIC chips
2016-03-09T14:35:34 < dongs> you can literally just use input capture for this
2016-03-09T14:35:41 < dongs> and it will automatically count the bits and shit
2016-03-09T14:35:43 < FatalNIX> I have to send data too though
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2016-03-09T14:35:54 < FatalNIX> in order to get any data you have to send 0b000000011
2016-03-09T14:36:02 < FatalNIX> then it spits out an update packet of 32 bits
2016-03-09T14:36:09 < FatalNIX> least that's what it looked like
2016-03-09T14:36:20 < FatalNIX> but the input capture part? yeah..
2016-03-09T14:38:08 < FatalNIX>  see, so the STM32 has an input capture mode on its' timers
2016-03-09T14:38:19 < dongs> setup DMA to/from timer->CCRx
2016-03-09T14:38:38 < FatalNIX> DMA also sounds fun
2016-03-09T14:38:40 < dongs> make array of periods to match what you wanna send, then clock it out with DMA
2016-03-09T14:38:52 < FatalNIX> I have been reading about DMA in my book but I haven't tested it yet
2016-03-09T14:39:11 < FatalNIX> dongs, that's actually kind of cool
2016-03-09T14:39:23 < FatalNIX> so then DMA just does the work for you?
2016-03-09T14:39:34 < dongs> to clockout that 0b0001 thing or whatever yeah
2016-03-09T14:39:41 < FatalNIX> interesting
2016-03-09T14:39:46 < FatalNIX> that sounds super simple
2016-03-09T14:40:12 < FatalNIX> I'm still contemplating wether or not I will make the STM32 device act as a USB peripheral or not yet
2016-03-09T14:40:15 < dongs> basically your send array will be { 3,3,3,3,3,3,3,1,1 }
2016-03-09T14:40:23 < FatalNIX> or wether I should*
2016-03-09T14:40:25 < dongs> if timer stuffis setup at 4us or wahtever
2016-03-09T14:41:40 < FatalNIX> the signal looks weird though. both a 1 and a zero has a high logic level
2016-03-09T14:41:46 < FatalNIX> it's just where the dip is
2016-03-09T14:42:02 < dongs> its same was ws2812 leds
2016-03-09T14:42:11 < dongs> pulse period modulation or someshit
2016-03-09T14:42:27 < FatalNIX> and input capture is smart enough to handle that without special configuration?
2016-03-09T14:42:45 < dongs> it doesnt care, it's just going to return you values it captures
2016-03-09T14:42:47 < FatalNIX> oh these..
2016-03-09T14:42:52 < FatalNIX> I have to hook these up for my class
2016-03-09T14:43:02 < dongs> so you will get a stream of shit like small,big,big,small,big,small wahtever and  you can sync to your shit and parse it
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2016-03-09T14:44:44 < FatalNIX> so looks like itl be simple enough that I can do this all in C
2016-03-09T14:44:52 < FatalNIX> simple enough / fast enough
2016-03-09T14:45:03 < dongs> you definitely onl want to do this in  C
2016-03-09T14:45:07 < FatalNIX> lol
2016-03-09T14:45:11 < dongs> only pic retards waste time wiht asm
2016-03-09T14:45:36 < FatalNIX> well in my class we're using pwm ultrasound modules with assembly
2016-03-09T14:45:52 < FatalNIX> ad to be honest I was always told ARM assembly is nice and I hate it
2016-03-09T14:46:19 < FatalNIX> but I come from a 6502 background where the assembly was much more simple and honestly, less full of "|OH, you can't do that that way"
2016-03-09T14:47:22 < FatalNIX> I actually have a 6502 in the other room I keep around for my little projects
2016-03-09T14:47:30 < FatalNIX> beats the shit out of PIC for what I do
2016-03-09T14:47:31 < FatalNIX> lol
2016-03-09T14:47:46 < FatalNIX> z80 is nice, I wouldn't mind having a z180 around
2016-03-09T14:48:11 < FatalNIX> z180s are a bit more rare
2016-03-09T14:48:26 < FatalNIX> lol
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2016-03-09T14:48:30 < dongs> fucking VLC garbage what the hell
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2016-03-09T14:48:45 < dongs> its not downmixing 5.1 audio into stereo at all
2016-03-09T14:48:47 < FatalNIX> WDC makes 6502 chips that run at like 200 Mhz
2016-03-09T14:48:48 < dongs> https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=121942
2016-03-09T14:48:49 < dongs> what a joke
2016-03-09T14:49:01 < FatalNIX> and they're CMOS so you can easily make a stepping debugger for them with an arduino or whatever you got
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2016-03-09T14:49:49 < FatalNIX> wait what
2016-03-09T14:49:55 < dongs> https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=115203
2016-03-09T14:50:20 < dongs> except it doesnt
2016-03-09T14:50:28 < dongs> If your device has stereo speakers, it will automatically downmix from 5.1 to 2.0 on 5.1 audio tracks.
2016-03-09T14:53:08 < FatalNIX> probably one of those people who think they can tell the difference in quality by ear of a 20 foot snake compared to a 19 foot snake.
2016-03-09T14:55:57 < dongs> nah, just chcked its just blc being a cokc
2016-03-09T14:56:00 < dongs> mpc-hc works fine
2016-03-09T14:56:04 < dongs> downmixing
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2016-03-09T14:58:34 < dongs> mpc-hc is opensores too
2016-03-09T14:58:49 < dongs> and works.
2016-03-09T14:58:51 < dongs> so shrug
2016-03-09T14:59:15 < dongs> i stopped upgrading vlc also because they broke seeking mpeg2ts
2016-03-09T14:59:26 < dongs> vlc 2.2.x seek in 70gig .ts file = 2 minutes wait
2016-03-09T14:59:32 < dongs> 2.1.5 works instantly
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2016-03-09T15:08:43 < FatalNIX> OH
2016-03-09T15:08:53 < FatalNIX> I see why you're doing timing that way with dma / capture..
2016-03-09T15:09:12 < FatalNIX> you're basically just saying how long it dips
2016-03-09T15:09:36 < FatalNIX> seems so easy it sounds like cheating :D
2016-03-09T15:37:27 < dongs> ikr
2016-03-09T16:26:09 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUlpwU0prTllhN2M/view?usp=sharing dongs check my autism today
2016-03-09T16:26:47 < englishman> canadians https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/561041-980ti-darwin-awards-help/
2016-03-09T16:27:04 < zyp> not enough SMAs
2016-03-09T16:27:52 < kakimir> none
2016-03-09T16:27:56 < zyp> kakimir, are that 2mm pitch headers?
2016-03-09T16:28:58 < zyp> what does that thing do anyway, is it supposed to operate on line voltage?
2016-03-09T16:29:03 < zyp> fuse/transformer suggests that
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2016-03-09T16:29:37 < zyp> but there doesn't seem to be much separation between line voltage and low voltage stuff
2016-03-09T16:31:26 < kakimir> no way there will be line voltages
2016-03-09T16:31:50 < BrainDamage> are you using MMC as power connector now?
2016-03-09T16:32:01 < zyp> what's the huge transformer for then?
2016-03-09T16:32:48 < kakimir> transformer? where?
2016-03-09T16:33:05 < BrainDamage> the coilcraft package
2016-03-09T16:33:20 < BrainDamage> which is generally for transformers, but i guess it's a coil
2016-03-09T16:33:25 < zyp> is that just a huge fucking single coil?
2016-03-09T16:34:33 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTkpWV3FJbS1oeFk/view?usp=sharing
2016-03-09T16:35:03 < zyp> looks like a transformer to me
2016-03-09T16:36:17 < BrainDamage> btw why do you need such a gigantic coil, are you switching at 1Hz?
2016-03-09T16:36:30 < BrainDamage> or do you need nV autismriplles?
2016-03-09T16:37:52 < ReadError> so i just noticed something odd
2016-03-09T16:38:14 < ReadError> in altium, for clearances, they use 'InNamedPolygon'
2016-03-09T16:38:26 < ReadError> for connect style, its 'IsNamedPolygon'
2016-03-09T16:39:04 < kakimir> BrainDamage: I think it's to minimize losses
2016-03-09T16:39:11 < kakimir> to have properly copper
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2016-03-09T16:42:10 < BrainDamage> you think? so you didn't calculate them?
2016-03-09T16:42:44 < kakimir> I took something from reference desing
2016-03-09T16:42:50 < kakimir> design
2016-03-09T16:43:02 < kakimir> can not lose with that
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2016-03-09T16:50:12 < jadew> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aQ87Dqd_460s.jpg
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2016-03-09T16:51:43 < karlp> jadew: pasted here weeks ago.
2016-03-09T16:51:48 < jadew> ah
2016-03-09T16:52:04 < karlp> directly from teh stock photography site they were found on.
2016-03-09T16:52:34 < kakimir> did that stuff begin here?
2016-03-09T16:52:37 < jadew> hah
2016-03-09T16:53:00 < karlp> ask dongs where he saw it
2016-03-09T16:53:38 < kakimir> I think I saw that first in another channel
2016-03-09T16:53:44 < kakimir> kicad or so
2016-03-09T16:58:38 < karlp> heh, it's been removed: http://www.123rf.com/photo_31257438_man-repairing-a-printed-circuit-board-with-a-forced-air-soldering-iron.html
2016-03-09T16:59:11 < dongs> yeah i started it
2016-03-09T16:59:31 < karlp> no, jpa did: http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/man-soldering-repairing-printed-circuit-board-forced-air-iron-44099087.jpg
2016-03-09T17:00:19 < karlp> dongs then found the source of the iamge on the stock site.
2016-03-09T17:00:44  * karlp procrastinates well...
2016-03-09T17:01:51 < dongs> oh okay
2016-03-09T17:06:37 < kakimir> meme creator dongs
2016-03-09T17:07:48 < kakimir> I wonder what is optimal via size for high current stitching
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2016-03-09T17:18:19 < jadew> kakimir, figure out the trace width you need for the current
2016-03-09T17:18:36 < jadew> then you'll have to make a tradeoff between number of vias and their diameter
2016-03-09T17:19:08 < jadew> (you'd have to calculate the circumference)
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2016-03-09T18:48:45 < Laurenceb_> anyone here familiar with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent_Overhead_Byte_Stuffing
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2016-03-09T18:48:59 < Laurenceb_> I'm very confused by the explanation
2016-03-09T18:49:11 < Laurenceb_> like how do they fit the 0-255 range into 1-255
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2016-03-09T19:10:18 < qyx> they do not
2016-03-09T19:10:43 < qyx> it seems that they simply split the input into parts delimited by zero
2016-03-09T19:11:02 < qyx> and prepend a header of 1 + length to each part
2016-03-09T19:11:09 < Laurenceb_> but they replace zero bytes with a number
2016-03-09T19:11:14 < Laurenceb_> so far so good
2016-03-09T19:11:25 < Laurenceb_> what is there is a data byte equal to tat value?
2016-03-09T19:11:43 < qyx> like the example 11 22 00 33
2016-03-09T19:11:51 < qyx> split into two parts
2016-03-09T19:11:55 < qyx> 11 22 and 33
2016-03-09T19:12:04 < Laurenceb_> oh
2016-03-09T19:12:05 < qyx> output 1 + length (which is 2)
2016-03-09T19:12:11 < qyx> 03 11 22
2016-03-09T19:12:17 < Laurenceb_> hmm i need to read it again
2016-03-09T19:12:18 < qyx> and then output the second part
2016-03-09T19:12:35 < qyx> 1 + length (which is 1)
2016-03-09T19:12:39 < qyx> 02 33
2016-03-09T19:12:44 < Laurenceb_> in the wiki article its no creating new packets
2016-03-09T19:12:45 < qyx> and end of packet 00
2016-03-09T19:13:03 < qyx> wat, there are encoding examples
2016-03-09T19:13:19 < Laurenceb_> basically I dont see how you can convert 0-255 range to 1-255
2016-03-09T19:13:20 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent_Overhead_Byte_Stuffing#Encoding_examples
2016-03-09T19:13:29 < qyx> then having 03 11 22 02 33 00
2016-03-09T19:13:30 < Laurenceb_> unless you use something like PPP of course
2016-03-09T19:13:42 < qyx> you read the first byte, 03, which gives you the lenngth
2016-03-09T19:13:48 < qyx> copy 2 bytes to output
2016-03-09T19:13:52 < qyx> read next header, 02
2016-03-09T19:13:55 < qyx> copy 1 byte to output
2016-03-09T19:13:59 < qyx> read the next header, 00
2016-03-09T19:14:02 < qyx> oh, end of packet
2016-03-09T19:14:10 < qyx> go on, read the next header xx...
2016-03-09T19:14:20 < Laurenceb_> oh i see, its iterative
2016-03-09T19:14:25 < Laurenceb_> got it now, thanks
2016-03-09T19:14:48 < qyx> similar to hdlc or how is it called
2016-03-09T19:14:52 < qyx> used in ppp stuff
2016-03-09T19:14:54 < Laurenceb_> so the first byte is like a "jump" value to the next zero or end of packet
2016-03-09T19:15:02 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-03-09T19:15:12 < Laurenceb_> wikipedia explanation sucks lol
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2016-03-09T19:20:48 < emeb> reminds me of hdlc
2016-03-09T19:22:52 < Laurenceb_> due to SP1ML modules being "too transparent", I have to add my own packet layer to make them useful :-/
2016-03-09T19:24:34 < qyx> mhm
2016-03-09T19:25:02 < qyx> I am considering to do something similar
2016-03-09T19:25:13 < qyx> packet engines tend to be quite restricted
2016-03-09T19:25:46 < qyx> but wat
2016-03-09T19:25:55 < qyx> spirit1 has good packet engine
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2016-03-09T19:29:44 < Laurenceb_> yeah but SP1ML hides the packet engine
2016-03-09T19:29:52 < Laurenceb_> it depends what you want to do
2016-03-09T19:30:08 < Laurenceb_> SP1ML works nicely for simple device to device with two devices
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2016-03-09T19:36:47 < qyx> uh, at command interface
2016-03-09T19:36:48 < qyx> i see
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2016-03-09T19:37:48 < qyx> hm, isn't the embedded L1 reprogrammable?
2016-03-09T19:38:47 < qyx> also, why the hell L1
2016-03-09T19:38:47 < qyx> meh
2016-03-09T19:39:03 < Laurenceb_> lol it's supposed ot be simple :P
2016-03-09T19:39:21 < Laurenceb_> maybe i should have gone with the spi interface version
2016-03-09T19:39:28 < qyx> too low memory for my great and awesome (tm) unfinished network stack
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2016-03-09T19:39:58 < qyx> also, L1 is too slow for EC crypto
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2016-03-09T19:40:38 < Laurenceb_> https://www.rutronik24.com/product/st/spsgrf-868/6950940.html
2016-03-09T19:40:49 < Laurenceb_> you might like SPSGRF more
2016-03-09T19:40:51 < qyx> otherwise it would be a good node/router/repeater with a cr2032
2016-03-09T19:41:35 < Laurenceb_> yeah my system is ending up being counterproductive
2016-03-09T19:42:13 < Laurenceb_> I'm going for USB host <-> multiple slaved devices
2016-03-09T19:42:36 < Laurenceb_> probably host pings devices then they reply, so basic TDMA is possible
2016-03-09T19:42:57 < Laurenceb_> but I need device discovery and named devices too :S
2016-03-09T19:43:24 < Laurenceb_> SPSGRF might have been simpler then SP1ML :P
2016-03-09T19:44:24 < Laurenceb_> qyx: what sort of bit rates do you need?
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2016-03-09T20:03:12 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-0-1-x-200-x-500MM-99-9-Pure-Copper-Cu-Metal-Sheet-Foil-/371515005616 I wonder how pure chinese copper sheet is
2016-03-09T20:03:31 < qyx> pure oxygen and copper free
2016-03-09T20:03:37 < kakimir> and does it have fingerprints burnt to it
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2016-03-09T20:27:12 < Laurenceb_> lol maybe I can just use RFC1661
2016-03-09T20:27:22 < Laurenceb_> c&p code time
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2016-03-09T21:57:05 < karlp> Laurenceb_: ppp has been updated a few times, bu tyeah, ppp's nto sucky.
2016-03-09T21:57:10 < karlp> you might also look at hdlc
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2016-03-09T22:02:55 < Laurenceb_> hdlc is bit wise, so somewhat annoying
2016-03-09T22:03:12 < Laurenceb_> the L1 is just making things annoying :-/
2016-03-09T22:03:29 < Laurenceb_> e.g. entering AT command mode results in an unpredictable delay :S
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2016-03-09T22:17:13 < kakimir> is kelvin trace even better
2016-03-09T22:17:14 < kakimir> if
2016-03-09T22:17:37 < kakimir> I trace that pair so that both are aligned in 2 inner layers?
2016-03-09T22:18:08 < Laurenceb_> what??
2016-03-09T22:18:19 < kakimir> like on top of each other
2016-03-09T22:18:25 < Laurenceb_> kakimir is a random wordsalad generator
2016-03-09T22:19:01 < Laurenceb_>  carbon fiber becomes both a surface extension of the self and a third party mediator in homosexual relationships, a surface that facilitates intimacy between men in ways that devalue femininity in both male and female bodies
2016-03-09T22:19:07 < Laurenceb_> I can play this game too
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2016-03-09T22:45:04 < Laurenceb_>  Does LadyAda’s ego know no bounds? The first co-opting her handle from someone way more important to history than herself. You didn’t see Steve Jobs running around calling himself “Mr.Newton” or “GuyTuring”
2016-03-09T22:47:50 < Steffanx> fix your character set Laurenceb_
2016-03-09T22:48:11 < Steffanx> or copy paste skills
2016-03-09T22:58:05 < julius> i can read his writing
2016-03-09T22:58:24 < julius> it just makes no sense
2016-03-09T22:59:49 < kakimir> Steffanx: you fix yours!
2016-03-09T23:00:19 < kakimir> julius: he is on his favorite subject - femrads
2016-03-09T23:00:23 < kakimir> or something
2016-03-09T23:10:59 < Steffanx> so what character is Â’ kakimir?
2016-03-09T23:15:42 < kakimir> some weird shie
2016-03-09T23:15:59 < kakimir> better fix your charsets
2016-03-09T23:18:40 < Steffanx> screenshot me what you see, i need to know.
2016-03-09T23:19:05 < kakimir> sure thing buddy
2016-03-09T23:20:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVW80aDRhNmxybFE/view?usp=sharing
2016-03-09T23:21:34 < Steffanx> hmm
2016-03-09T23:21:54 < kakimir> just use UTF8 in every turn
2016-03-09T23:22:53 < kakimir> I remember we had wars in IRC like 10years ago that which character sets to use and eventyally I was banned
2016-03-09T23:25:16 < kakimir> nowdays those channels do not even exist anymore I think
2016-03-09T23:25:23 < Steffanx> you must be old
2016-03-09T23:25:43 < kakimir> almost hundred years
2016-03-09T23:25:51 < Steffanx> i figured
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2016-03-09T23:31:40 < Steffanx> i do utf8 so not sure what is wrong. I can no longer irc with you kakimir
2016-03-09T23:33:00 < kakimir> I'm sorry
2016-03-09T23:33:10 < kakimir> to hear that
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2016-03-09T23:53:04 < bilboquet_> does anyone have a good reference for the nucleo morpho connector ?
2016-03-09T23:53:49 < bilboquet_> i can't find the reference that I had put aside
2016-03-09T23:55:35 < bilboquet_> i ve to search in shields doc, but i dont know which one. i can't remenber
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2016-03-10T00:00:15 < bilboquet_> find ! http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/user_manual/DM00241205.pdf
2016-03-10T00:07:54 < bilboquet_> ESQ-119-24-T-D, but not very cheap...
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2016-03-10T00:09:17 < bilboquet_> and 4UCONN 08413 is difficult to find.
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2016-03-10T01:49:28 < Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/10754333
2016-03-10T01:49:36 < Laurenceb_> ok I reversed COBS
2016-03-10T01:49:42 < Laurenceb_> not sure if this will work...
2016-03-10T01:56:56 < FatalNIX> This is driving me nuts. I could have sworn I could use the PLL to multiply the clock for the system clock
2016-03-10T01:57:06 < FatalNIX> but apparently I can only use it to divide it
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2016-03-10T01:57:33 < FatalNIX> wait, I bet I can do this differently
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2016-03-10T01:59:31 < FatalNIX>  maybe I can set something..
2016-03-10T02:01:55 < FatalNIX> if I can figure out what the PCLK is
2016-03-10T02:02:06 < FatalNIX> then maybe I can make it do what I want (or make it com from another PLL)
2016-03-10T02:09:20 < FatalNIX> I love how the reference manual doesn't say anything about PCLK
2016-03-10T02:10:46 < FatalNIX> ok. PCLK is a generic name for APB1 and APB2
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2016-03-10T02:38:38 < FatalNIX> ok. Looks like I can get a clean 9600 baud if I use 12Mhz as the system clock
2016-03-10T02:39:41 < FatalNIX> then the number will be 0x4E2
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2016-03-10T02:46:10 < FatalNIX> crt: I was so focused on getting 72 Mhz to do 115200
2016-03-10T02:46:33 < FatalNIX> but 9600 baud will give me 200+ 32 bit structs of N64 controller data per second
2016-03-10T02:46:39 < FatalNIX> way more than fast enough
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2016-03-10T03:03:41 < dongs> MISCELLANEOUS
2016-03-10T03:03:41 < dongs> Microsoft Certifications Compatible with Windows 7
2016-03-10T03:03:42 < dongs> MTBF 600000 sec
2016-03-10T03:03:47 < dongs> http://www.cnet.com/products/toshiba-mq01abd050-hard-drive-500-gb-sata-3gb-s-mq01abd050/specs/
2016-03-10T03:03:50 < dongs> go cnet
2016-03-10T03:06:53 < dongs> Bytes per Sector 4096 Hz
2016-03-10T03:22:51 < dongs> en_windows_10_multiple_editions_version_1511_updated_feb_2016_x64_dvd_8379634.iso
2016-03-10T03:22:55 < dongs> neat
2016-03-10T03:23:01 < dongs> 1511 is getting more updates rolled up into installer.
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2016-03-10T03:30:39 < Laurenceb_> ST stands for life.augmented
2016-03-10T03:30:42 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-03-10T03:32:54 < Sync_> rage.augmented
2016-03-10T03:34:27 < kakimir> what st is french-italian?
2016-03-10T03:34:30 < Laurenceb_> sexy.tranny
2016-03-10T03:34:48 < kakimir> I though it was muricun
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2016-03-10T03:36:39 < Sync_> wat kakimir
2016-03-10T03:36:51 < Sync_> stop smoking dem finlandia kush
2016-03-10T03:38:27 < kakimir> main reason why I use LPC was
2016-03-10T03:39:08 < kakimir> that I thought it was only viable european thing there
2016-03-10T03:39:14 < Sync_> wat
2016-03-10T03:39:22 < Sync_> atmel nxp and st are all yurop
2016-03-10T03:39:31 < Sync_> well atmel not anymore
2016-03-10T03:39:37 < kakimir> so what muricuns do?
2016-03-10T03:39:43 < Sync_> infinishit as well
2016-03-10T03:41:05 < kakimir> muricuns do all the beefy stuff?
2016-03-10T03:41:55 < kakimir> intel, fpgas, gpus, texas
2016-03-10T03:42:45 < englishman> sorry bro
2016-03-10T03:42:49 < englishman> intel = israel
2016-03-10T03:42:54 < Laurenceb_> WHOSE GOING TO PAY FOR THE WALL?
2016-03-10T03:42:55 < englishman> amd = irish canadian
2016-03-10T03:43:08 < englishman> xilinx = malaysia
2016-03-10T03:43:10 < kakimir> intel wot?
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2016-03-10T03:43:56 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel
2016-03-10T03:44:01 < Sync_> well amd still fabs in dresden
2016-03-10T03:56:56 < FatalNIX> sigh. the STM32L476VG pisses me off
2016-03-10T03:57:18 < FatalNIX> same problem I had a month ago, no matter what I do, I can not set MSIRANGE. so dumb.
2016-03-10T03:57:26 < FatalNIX> nothing in the manual talks about it
2016-03-10T03:58:01 < englishman> "Syrian refugees in Canada got housed in same hotel as VancouFur furry convention and the children loved it"
2016-03-10T03:59:54 < FatalNIX> I do not understand.. there is no reason why it should care
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2016-03-10T04:02:36 < FatalNIX> crt: Maybe I should just to see the shit they'd say lol
2016-03-10T04:03:15 < FatalNIX> crt: All I am trying to do is set the MSI clock to 48 Mhz :(
2016-03-10T04:06:07 < FatalNIX> Not sure. I can set the range of it, but then it shuts off MSIRGSEL, which makes the MSIRANGE in another register, which, I can not edit.
2016-03-10T04:06:24 < FatalNIX> and if I try and force it in the debigger to use my range iut just shuts it back off..
2016-03-10T04:06:30 < FatalNIX> lol?
2016-03-10T04:06:36 < FatalNIX> I'm reading the reference manual
2016-03-10T04:06:43 < FatalNIX> thing is, it doesn't say there's any dependencies for it
2016-03-10T04:07:18 < FatalNIX> so either the documentation is wrong, or the information is in the wrong place, or I'm missing something stupid silly
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2016-03-10T04:08:01 < FatalNIX> lol
2016-03-10T04:08:14 < FatalNIX> thing is though, I tried doing this like, a month ago
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2016-03-10T04:08:33 < FatalNIX> took me two days playing with it, and it just magically worked one day
2016-03-10T04:08:56 < FatalNIX> pow5?
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2016-03-10T04:09:22 < FatalNIX> lol?
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2016-03-10T04:16:57 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-03-10T04:16:58 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/JF1GI2v
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2016-03-10T04:18:23 < FatalNIX> ok. I found 1 clue. MSIRANGE in CSR can only go up to 8 Mhz, I can change it from 4 to 8. but I need 48..
2016-03-10T04:20:07 < Laurenceb_> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8NLTTuJ2pOI/SWoM9S5JwSI/AAAAAAAABlk/SchEzhwoczo/s400/joke.jpg
2016-03-10T04:20:32 < Laurenceb_> the only explanation
2016-03-10T04:21:42 < Laurenceb_> thats ripped straight from 4chan
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2016-03-10T04:41:23 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/5FvaQFZ.gifv
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2016-03-10T04:45:04 < FatalNIX> crt: i actually found other people's code
2016-03-10T04:45:04 < FatalNIX> they do the same exact thing I do and mine just says nope
2016-03-10T04:45:04 < FatalNIX> XD
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2016-03-10T04:58:35 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/9PsqlWI
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2016-03-10T05:34:38 < upgrdman> are there default bit rates for can bus? like uart has 9600, 115200, etc.
2016-03-10T05:35:13 < upgrdman> best i can find is this, but not sure if this is a "standard" or just some org's desire: http://support.motioneng.com/software-mpi_03_04/docs/CAN/Topics/bit_rate.htm
2016-03-10T05:36:03 < dongs> yes
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2016-03-10T05:36:25 < dongs> its not bitrate but like MHz i think, 1MHz, 2.5, 10? or someshit
2016-03-10T05:37:00 < dongs> err 125k to 1meg
2016-03-10T05:37:26 < dongs> i dont think people use stuff in between, they either use 125k or 1meg mode
2016-03-10T05:48:22 < fenugrec> upgrdman 250 and 500kb/s are common in automotive implementations too
2016-03-10T05:56:15 < upgrdman> R2COM, no
2016-03-10T05:57:06 < upgrdman> but some of them shoved business cards under my hotel room door, lol
2016-03-10T05:57:10 < upgrdman> will post pics later
2016-03-10T05:57:49 < upgrdman> so for CAN, 125k, 250k, 500k, 1m should be plenty of choice for a customer that wants can support?
2016-03-10T06:13:02 < upgrdman> i dont have them with me right now
2016-03-10T06:13:10 < upgrdman> but it's all in chinese, with girls on laungerie
2016-03-10T06:13:23 < upgrdman> and one of the cards says "massagehotie"
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2016-03-10T10:46:36 < ReadError> GAINESVILLE, Fla. (CBSLA.com)  —  A Florida mom who runs a pro-gun Facebook page was shot by her 4-year-old son Tuesday.
2016-03-10T10:46:36 < ReadError> Jamie Gilt, 31, told deputies that she was on her way to pick up a horse when her son accidentally shot her.
2016-03-10T10:46:39 < ReadError> http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/03/09/florida-mom-who-runs-pro-gun-facebook-page-shot-by-her-4-year-old-son/
2016-03-10T10:49:18 < qyx> unfortunate
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2016-03-10T11:04:53 < PeterM> ReadError, O.o a day in the life of "florida mom", not as interesting as "florida man" though
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2016-03-10T12:19:38 < jadew> my new monitor arrived
2016-03-10T12:19:55 < jadew> looks blury on my desired resolution :/
2016-03-10T12:21:06 < jpa-> why would you run it at anything except native resolution?
2016-03-10T12:21:33 < jadew> because the native resolution makes things too small
2016-03-10T12:21:50 < PeterM> have you ever heard of fuckign scaling?
2016-03-10T12:21:56 < jpa-> ah, windows user
2016-03-10T12:22:04 < PeterM> not even
2016-03-10T12:22:06 < jpa-> i wonder when they'll invent a functional high-dpi mode for windows
2016-03-10T12:22:09 < jadew> PeterM, no ammount of scaling will fix that
2016-03-10T12:22:18 < PeterM> jadew you fucking what?
2016-03-10T12:22:35 < jpa-> works fine on mac, and on linux high-dpi works just as well as linux gui ever does
2016-03-10T12:22:43 < PeterM> im pretty sure the percentage scaling between your desired resoltuion and the native resolution is the amount of scaling that will fix it
2016-03-10T12:22:44 < jadew> jpa-, no it doesn't
2016-03-10T12:22:51 < jadew> on linux is just as shit as it is on windows
2016-03-10T12:23:10 < jadew> PeterM, no, that will only affect things that take DPI into account
2016-03-10T12:23:15 < jadew> most UI elements don't
2016-03-10T12:23:30 < jpa-> what linux toolkit doesn't work just fine with different themes?
2016-03-10T12:24:01 < jadew> jpa-, linux suffers from the same issue I just mentioned, don't know about mac
2016-03-10T12:24:01 < jpa-> also for most purposes even just setting a larger font size will scale everything except icons, and most have atleast 32x32 option for toolbars etc.
2016-03-10T12:24:17 < jadew> if everything UI related is DPI based, then... good job to whoever put that rule in place
2016-03-10T12:24:46 < jadew> jpa-, not all text will scale either
2016-03-10T12:25:09 < jpa-> which is why i said "as well as linux gui ever does" :)
2016-03-10T12:25:16 < jadew> plus, the most important thing: my windows won't scale
2016-03-10T12:25:29 < jadew> I don't want to have a different vertical resolution on each of my monitor
2016-03-10T12:25:31 < jadew> that would be stupid
2016-03-10T12:25:41 < jadew> when I'd move a window from one the other its size would change
2016-03-10T12:26:13 < jadew> *to the other
2016-03-10T12:26:18 < jadew> *monitors
2016-03-10T12:26:51 < jpa-> ah, yeah, it is bad idea to buy high-dpi and normal-dpi monitors to be used together
2016-03-10T12:27:08 < jadew> I can't find a replacement for my old monitor that broke
2016-03-10T12:27:14 < jadew> this is the closest thing I found
2016-03-10T12:27:15 < jpa-> on mac they are not cheap-asses so it went right to 2x dpi, so they can easily scale legacy GUI etc. without making it blurry
2016-03-10T12:27:22 < jadew> in height and effective viewing area
2016-03-10T12:27:40 < jpa-> ah well, return it and get normal dpi monitor if that is what you want
2016-03-10T12:27:51 < jadew> jpa-, I can't find one that fits
2016-03-10T12:28:42 < karlp> FatalNIX: you should be able to happily get 115200 at 12Mhz system clock too, and you should really work out why your clock config doesn't do what you think.
2016-03-10T12:31:10 < zyp> jadew, time to replace the other monitor as well then
2016-03-10T12:31:43 < jadew> zyp, I would have, but they're two and they're 19" 4:3, I don't have room to replace them with wide monitors
2016-03-10T12:31:58 < jadew> I actually considered that
2016-03-10T12:32:21 < zyp> haha, 1280x1024?
2016-03-10T12:32:39 < jadew> crt, no, LCD :)
2016-03-10T12:33:04 < jadew> and 1024x768 - I find the 768 vertical resolution to scale things the best for where I sit at my desk
2016-03-10T12:33:22 < zyp> haha
2016-03-10T12:33:32 < zyp> you're weird as fuck
2016-03-10T12:33:41 < jadew> it's actually a very common resolution
2016-03-10T12:33:53 < zyp> but anyway, how about replacing both with a nice 2546x1440 27" or something?
2016-03-10T12:34:20 < zyp> jadew, anything but native resolution on a lcd panel is weird as fuck
2016-03-10T12:34:44 < dekar_> It's about the software support I think. The scaled 2x applications still look bad on OSX, I can easily spot them whenever I use one. But there are barely any left. 99% of the applications I use support high DPI. And it's not hard to begin with, for my own applications rebuilding them with an updated Qt framework did the trick.
2016-03-10T12:35:01 < jadew> zyp, yeah, but I get super crisp text on the 19" ones and they're not at native resolution either
2016-03-10T12:35:12 < jadew> the older 22" delivered crisp text too
2016-03-10T12:35:14 < zyp> pff
2016-03-10T12:35:23 < zyp> "super crisp"
2016-03-10T12:35:34 < jadew> btw, this is 24" and it has the same vertical size
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2016-03-10T12:37:19 < jadew> I don't
2016-03-10T12:37:43 < jadew> anyway, I agree with jpa-, if they went for 2x DPI, everything would have been fine
2016-03-10T12:38:00 < jadew> instead they went for this gay HD shit and stupid aspect ratio
2016-03-10T12:40:16 < dekar_> jadew, it still looks bad with 2x scaling: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-10%20at%2018.39.22.png
2016-03-10T12:41:58 < dekar_> Can you give me some examples of applications that don't support high DPI on Windows?
2016-03-10T12:42:40 < dekar_> I'm just curious since on OSX the vendors took care of the problem quite quickly.
2016-03-10T12:42:53 < jadew> almost no application on windows will scale its UI based on DPI settings
2016-03-10T12:42:57 < jadew> it's all pixel based
2016-03-10T12:43:22 < jadew> I have a hard time imagining it would be different on MAC either
2016-03-10T12:43:25 < jadew> *mac
2016-03-10T12:43:51 < jadew> they probably just do text scaling and perhaps icon scaling
2016-03-10T12:44:08 < jadew> but that's 0 when you have multiple monitors
2016-03-10T12:44:28 < jadew> the key is having the same vertical resolution
2016-03-10T12:45:14 < zyp> no, the key is to have a similar ppi number for all monitors
2016-03-10T12:45:49 < jadew> zyp, no because windows will still be in pixels and as I said earlier, you move one window from one monitor to the next and it changes its size
2016-03-10T12:45:53 < dekar_> jadew, on OSX there is a flag set by the application to notify the OS it supports high DPI. But there isn't much to do for the developer, except providing higher DPI images for icons etc. Fonts are usually rendered by the OS anyway, so they automatically render smoother.
2016-03-10T12:46:01 < jadew> on top of it, they won't align properly
2016-03-10T12:46:21 < jadew> so you won't be able to move a window from the bottom of the screen for example to a smaller screen
2016-03-10T12:46:36 < zyp> jadew, well, strictly speaking I guess ppi _is_ resolution, so we agree
2016-03-10T12:46:38 < karlp> dekar_: needs vendors to actually do updates... not hard if they care, impossibru if it's some 5 year old shareware :)
2016-03-10T12:46:58 < jadew> ah, then yeah
2016-03-10T12:47:12 < jadew> but I think it's all about supporting the same ppi natively
2016-03-10T12:47:13 < zyp> jadew, but you're assuming equally tall monitors, physically
2016-03-10T12:47:25 < dekar_> karlp, how much are you using 5 year old shareware anyway? They 5 minutes of pixelation once a month are probably not a big deal, are they?
2016-03-10T12:47:27 < jadew> from what I understand this monitor supports 1440x900 natively (as a lower resolution)
2016-03-10T12:47:36 < dekar_> *The 5 minutes
2016-03-10T12:47:37 < jadew> so my desired 1366x768 gets upscaled to that
2016-03-10T12:47:54 < jadew> zyp, yeah, I needed to be equally tall too
2016-03-10T12:48:06 < jadew> *needed them
2016-03-10T12:48:11 < karlp> me, not much, but I know that there's a mountain of old windows softgware being used that isn't going to get udpated by their vendors just because someone said they should support high dpi.
2016-03-10T12:48:16 < zyp> jadew, I don't
2016-03-10T12:48:17 < ReadError> why the hell are you messing with the res?
2016-03-10T12:48:22 < ReadError> change the scaling
2016-03-10T12:48:28 < dekar_> Tbh, I would prefer to use matching monitors anyway.
2016-03-10T12:48:37 < karlp> ReadError: yeah, we've been there, he doesn't want to, he knows better :)
2016-03-10T12:48:51 < ReadError> wont everything look retarded and fuzzy?
2016-03-10T12:49:05 < zyp> I'm running my secondary monitor in portrait orientation
2016-03-10T12:49:15 < jadew> dekar_, me too, but as I was saying earlier, I don't have room to replace the older monitors with monitors of the same type as the new one
2016-03-10T12:49:23 < zyp> matching monitors are overrated, I like mismatched monitors with different advantages
2016-03-10T12:49:48 < karlp> heh, a friend here did the layout for a local news site.
2016-03-10T12:49:52 < zyp> jadew, so why not replace both with a single monitor?
2016-03-10T12:49:55 < karlp> he had a big portrait monitor,
2016-03-10T12:50:00 < dekar_> karlp, if that kind of software is an issue, just get a dedicated low DPI monitor for that, couldn't you? But I feel like at least most developers wouldn't use old software much anyway. I don't think I use any.
2016-03-10T12:50:15 < karlp> never wondered why not everyone saw the website the same as he did.
2016-03-10T12:50:30 < jadew> zyp, I used only two monitors this week and couldn't get used to it
2016-03-10T12:50:33 < karlp> dekar_: maybe not most developers, but lots of users.
2016-03-10T12:50:38 < jadew> I've been on 3 monitors for too long
2016-03-10T12:51:04 < karlp> dekar_: my family use very old versions of some windows softrware because it's _much_ faster than the newer versions, and doesn't have "features" like "cloud integration with the pay service we want you to use now" and things like htat.
2016-03-10T12:51:24 < dekar_> karlp, most users probably use MS Office and MS Edge, I'd guess both support any DPI you can throw at them.
2016-03-10T12:52:26 < dekar_> karlp, what kind of software is that? I really don't feel like I can relate. But I guess I'm mostly using open source stuff anyway.
2016-03-10T12:54:53 < dekar_> I had bought a Windows 10 tablet a while ago, and I didn't notice any high DPI problems at all. I returned it after a week because of some hardware issues, but that's unrelated. Besides that I usually don't really use Windows.
2016-03-10T12:55:40 < jadew> alright, so it looks like doing GPU scaling reduces the blurr quite a bit
2016-03-10T12:55:54 < jadew> (as opposed to display scaling)
2016-03-10T12:57:07 < jadew> alright, I can live with this
2016-03-10T12:57:22 < jadew> still worse than what I had before, but decent enough
2016-03-10T13:01:23 < karlp> dekar_: acdsee for photo viewing and tagging, new versions are completely different applications really.
2016-03-10T13:01:48 < karlp> mum has a bunch of gross old scientific software too, that's never getting updated properly.
2016-03-10T13:02:00 < dekar_> Can't you just set it to 200% and be done with it really? That's basically the same as on OSX, either applications support it and are looking perfectly fine, or they are probably blurred as in the screenshot I sent.
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2016-03-10T13:03:42 < dekar_> karlp, I guess for an image viewer it's quite bad to have low quality visuals, I see how that could be a problem. Maybe it's time to move on and fine something else? :)
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2016-03-10T13:24:33 < karlp> dekar_: I did :) just saying it's easier said than done to  "just get the newer version from the vendor"
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2016-03-10T14:59:03 < jpa-> http://fpaste.dy.fi/vcy/disp  http://paste.dy.fi/k6j/plain   when i use dma for spi (upper trace), 1-2 first bytes of transfer get lost; any ideas why?
2016-03-10T14:59:41 < qyx> 1-2 randomly?
2016-03-10T15:09:27 < jpa-> always the same with same data but haven't seen logic
2016-03-10T15:10:02 < jpa-> in the image, compare the transactions ending in "2" and "4"
2016-03-10T15:10:29 < jpa-> bytes got dropped compared to the polled version; but in "182 1" there was no problem
2016-03-10T15:13:14 < zyp> which chip?
2016-03-10T15:15:17 < jpa-> stm32f103
2016-03-10T15:15:21 < jpa-> err
2016-03-10T15:15:22 < jpa-> 105
2016-03-10T15:15:47 < jpa-> hmm, i wonder if there might be something else triggering dma requests.. this being F1 dma
2016-03-10T15:16:41 < jpa-> hmm no, i'm not using any of other peripherals that are on that channel
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2016-03-10T15:27:18 < jpa-> hmm yeah, it depends on relative lengths of header and body somehow
2016-03-10T15:27:46 < karlp> istr someone else having some missing starts on dma transfers recently, was it you though?
2016-03-10T15:29:56 < jpa-> not me
2016-03-10T15:30:38 < jpa-> hmm, looks to be caused by the toggling of the SPI_CR2_TXDMAEN while it is still transferring the last byte
2016-03-10T15:30:50 < jpa-> if i only enable that at start and disable at end, then it works
2016-03-10T15:41:21 < dongs> ya you cant do that. i remember on my OSD shit, i had to wait for transfer before killing DMA. doing it while last byte is going would trash it.
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2016-03-10T15:43:51 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Design-implement-UHF-band-biotelemetry/ Laurenceb gave up on his shitty code and put it on feelancer
2016-03-10T15:45:05 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/threed-modelling/Produce-detailed-designs-Laptop-Notebook/
2016-03-10T15:45:33 < dongs> >  specialist experienced in Altium to provide detailed designs of a Laptop/Notebook motherboard
2016-03-10T15:45:37 < dongs> > budget: $200
2016-03-10T15:45:39 < dongs> oookay
2016-03-10T15:48:32 < kakimir> dongs: there is kenyan expertice on the job
2016-03-10T15:48:41 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/PCB-with-USB-other-features/
2016-03-10T15:48:48 < dongs> > Project and prototype board must be completed in less than 2 weeks, RAPID!!!
2016-03-10T15:48:53 < dongs> > every paki bidding says 30 days
2016-03-10T15:51:03 < dongs> bed
2016-03-10T15:54:08 < kakimir> it would be good to have a such project done
2016-03-10T15:54:29 < kakimir> as a base design for stuff
2016-03-10T15:54:55 < kakimir> 3.) Battery charging circuit for external battery support
2016-03-10T15:54:57 < FatalNIX> ok. Day 2 of figuring out how to change the MSI clock freq :D
2016-03-10T15:55:13 < kakimir> MSI ?
2016-03-10T15:55:27 < FatalNIX> yeah, on the STM32L476
2016-03-10T15:55:42 < FatalNIX> it's the multi speed clock
2016-03-10T15:56:23 < kakimir> sounds fancy
2016-03-10T15:58:25 < kakimir> or something invented by marketing sector
2016-03-10T16:05:17 < FatalNIX> Well, it's a clock that I can set its' frequency with in some register from say 300Khz to 48 Mhz
2016-03-10T16:05:42 < FatalNIX> very useful, because I can configure the system clock multiplexer and others to sort of direct the MSI clock to different parts of the chip
2016-03-10T16:06:48 < kakimir> it is name for clock scaling?
2016-03-10T16:06:57 < FatalNIX> no idea
2016-03-10T16:07:01 < kakimir> or is it something more specific?
2016-03-10T16:07:13 < FatalNIX> what do you mean?
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2016-03-10T16:11:01 < FatalNIX> the MSI clock is just an oscilator circuit with a controllable speed
2016-03-10T16:12:20 < FatalNIX> when you start to go communication signals that are a LOT faster, way faster than say 9600 bps timing becomes more important, and most of these communication signals will not cleanly run on a clock rate that is a multiple of 2
2016-03-10T16:12:23 < karlp> kakimir: Lx series has LSI/LSE/HSI/HSE/MSI,
2016-03-10T16:12:29 < karlp> Fx doesn't have the MSI...
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2016-03-10T16:12:49 < FatalNIX> so I'm trying to get MSI to generate a 24 Mhz clock :)
2016-03-10T16:12:49 < karlp> FatalNIX: stop that bullshit mythi about your clock being a multiple of the uart speed.
2016-03-10T16:13:09 < karlp> people don't ahve gross uarts directly tied to system clocks these days.
2016-03-10T16:13:46 < kakimir> how controllable it is?
2016-03-10T16:13:50 < FatalNIX> karlp: you say that but once I start going past 115200 the signals start getting scrambled, the bits just don't time right
2016-03-10T16:13:54 < karlp> the uart periph has a perfeclt functional fractional divider, you can do pretty much any baud you like from just about any speed you like.
2016-03-10T16:14:06 < karlp> that's because by default yo're only running at 4Mhz from reset on L4,
2016-03-10T16:14:07 < kakimir> and is it connected to any reference or is it free running?
2016-03-10T16:14:42 < karlp> kakimir: MSI is just like HSI
2016-03-10T16:14:57 < karlp> except variable speeds, and less current consumption
2016-03-10T16:15:02 < FatalNIX> even at 8Mhz, the divisor for the UART you set throws it off really far
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2016-03-10T16:15:30 < karlp> then you're using dividors wrong, go back and read the ref manual.
2016-03-10T16:15:36 < FatalNIX> I did
2016-03-10T16:15:37 < FatalNIX> :P
2016-03-10T16:15:43 < FatalNIX> I'm only doing what it tells me to do
2016-03-10T16:15:48 < FatalNIX> but you have to nag :)
2016-03-10T16:15:53 < karlp> well, you can't get MSI working, and you havent' worked out fractional dividers either :)
2016-03-10T16:16:16 < FatalNIX> MSI itself works fine, the issue is that I can't set the MSIRGSEL bit
2016-03-10T16:16:21 < FatalNIX> and my professor is also like, WTF?
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2016-03-10T16:45:09 < kakimir> is there any conciderations when using multilayer pcb?
2016-03-10T16:45:21 < kakimir> what layers to use for what?
2016-03-10T16:45:56 < kakimir> I at least have heavy current traces in top or bottom or same trace in both
2016-03-10T16:46:14 < kakimir> that may help with heat dissipation?
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2016-03-10T16:52:41 < ReadError> power layer
2016-03-10T16:53:27 < ReadError> i wish i was rich enough for blind vias and 6+ layer
2016-03-10T16:54:00 < zyp> kakimir, if you have high speed signals, you'll want to have reference grounds
2016-03-10T16:57:08 < zyp> but first of all, how many layers do you need and why?
2016-03-10T16:57:24 < kakimir> 4
2016-03-10T16:57:33 < zyp> why you need a given layer stackup should answer what you put on each layer
2016-03-10T16:58:02 < kakimir> room
2016-03-10T16:58:09 < zyp> for what?
2016-03-10T16:58:32 < kakimir> to have signal wires traced out of high current block
2016-03-10T16:58:44 < kakimir> and in to high current block
2016-03-10T16:59:36 < zyp> most of the 4L shit I've made use inner layers just for gnd and vcc
2016-03-10T16:59:47 < kakimir> I have GND
2016-03-10T17:00:34 < FatalNIX> phew, I had network problems
2016-03-10T17:00:39 < zyp> got some project at work where I have a 8L design which has three GND layers
2016-03-10T17:02:26 < zyp> I didn't design it, but apparently I'm going to be modifying it
2016-03-10T17:02:37 < kakimir> I think if its possible then you should use one layer at time
2016-03-10T17:02:49 < kakimir> and save 4th layer for total gnd area
2016-03-10T17:02:49 < zyp> in what sense?
2016-03-10T17:02:59 < kakimir> good ground
2016-03-10T17:03:57 < zyp> well, yeah, for pretty much any designs that warrants >2L, you should probably dedicate at least one design to GND
2016-03-10T17:04:23 < zyp> layer*
2016-03-10T17:05:48 < zyp> the stackup for this 8L thing got two sets of signal-gnd-signal on the outer six layers, then power and another gnd on middle two layers
2016-03-10T17:06:35 < zyp> I believe that more complex stackups also usually have signal-gnd-signal groups
2016-03-10T17:06:53 < zyp> since one gnd plane can act as a reference ground for one signal layer on each side
2016-03-10T17:07:22 < zyp> but of course, if you're not doing high speed signals, this is probably not a huge concern to you
2016-03-10T17:07:38 < zyp> power electronics have different rules from high speed signals
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2016-03-10T17:14:17 < kakimir> just do it
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2016-03-10T17:39:51 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/ZjdbE34.png
2016-03-10T17:40:50 < kakimir> telecom is such a mafia in states
2016-03-10T17:41:17 < kakimir> 80usd subscribtion line
2016-03-10T17:41:23 < kakimir> few megs
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2016-03-10T17:43:27 < Laurenceb_> https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/561041-980ti-darwin-awards-help/
2016-03-10T17:43:29 < tecdroid> isn't much better in germany
2016-03-10T17:44:01 < kakimir> germany - the US of europe
2016-03-10T17:45:21 < Getty> i am always confused.... most germans dont actually know the real details how bad it is outside of the country.... ;)
2016-03-10T17:46:13 < Getty> most germans like forget that they get free slow internet if they contingent goes off
2016-03-10T17:46:18 < Getty> which is....... not happening anywhere else
2016-03-10T17:46:34 < Getty> so i have no freaking idea about what to complain really ;)
2016-03-10T17:46:42 < kakimir> contigent?
2016-03-10T17:46:53 < Getty> yeah or that ;) like the 5GB / 100$ shit
2016-03-10T17:47:14 < Getty> thats always a HIGH SPEED you pay, not for the actual traffic itself
2016-03-10T17:47:16 < kakimir> what
2016-03-10T17:47:30 < kakimir> 5GB internets=
2016-03-10T17:47:40 < Getty> was a sample ;)
2016-03-10T17:47:43 < kakimir> subscription line?
2016-03-10T17:47:53 < Getty> was talking about mobile
2016-03-10T17:48:03 < kakimir> talking about ripoff
2016-03-10T17:48:15 < kakimir> I have unlimited unlimited 3G for 22eur per month
2016-03-10T17:48:19 < kakimir> or so
2016-03-10T17:48:25 < Getty> yeah, and people say germany is also a ripoff on this and that telecommunication sector, while they never really compare
2016-03-10T17:48:39 < kakimir> 3G works as well as 4G in the forrest which means fast
2016-03-10T17:49:03 < kakimir> 3G doesnt work in city because every scum have mobile
2016-03-10T17:49:10 < kakimir> and line is full
2016-03-10T17:49:38 < Getty> we dont have such problems, i know they exist on new year but thats it
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2016-03-10T17:49:44 < kakimir> practical speed around 0.9MBps
2016-03-10T17:51:18 < kakimir> I need to place phone in the right spot
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2016-03-10T17:55:08 < Getty> and now i bought frozen to entertain a kid
2016-03-10T17:55:23 < Getty> and i cant smoke anything, i am getting frustrated ;)
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2016-03-10T17:59:44 < kakimir> smoke crack?
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2016-03-10T18:26:36 < jadew> dekar_, went for the scaling option
2016-03-10T18:26:42 < jadew> chrome doesn't support it
2016-03-10T18:26:48 < jadew> everything is tiny in chrome
2016-03-10T18:27:00 < jadew> everything in mIRC also tiny
2016-03-10T18:27:54 < jadew> and I'm not sure I like how some of the text is rendered
2016-03-10T18:28:24 < jadew> very very thin lines, it cuts
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2016-03-10T18:31:10 < kakimir> windows never had proper rendering
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2016-03-10T18:32:54 < qyx> lol wut
2016-03-10T18:33:02 < qyx> hyperloop between wien-bratislava-budapest
2016-03-10T18:33:31 < qyx> http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/10/11191516/hyperloop-transportation-technologies-slovakia-central-europe-agreement
2016-03-10T18:35:06 < Sync_> wat
2016-03-10T18:35:24 < jadew> on top of the DPI annoyance, I can't seem to be able to match the color temperature and whatever I do it seems it's either too bright or too dim :/
2016-03-10T18:36:14 < Getty> and then the big europe line should go to stuttgart, but that cant happen cause of Stuttgart 21 and the eliminating of any extending option there
2016-03-10T18:36:16 < Getty> its so funny ;)
2016-03-10T18:37:16 < qyx> I perceive the hyperloop thing here as a good joke
2016-03-10T18:38:59 < Sync_> yeah idk
2016-03-10T18:39:09 < Sync_> I don't think it'll work
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2016-03-10T18:55:04 < Laurenceb_> hyperloop Europe
2016-03-10T18:55:05 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-10T18:55:28 < Laurenceb_> hyperloop is just a troll to get free advertising for Elon Musk, nothing about it make sense
2016-03-10T18:55:46 < Laurenceb_> if trains in a tube were so hard, how come the channel tunnel works
2016-03-10T18:56:19 < Laurenceb_> also he proposed off the shelf steel tubes.. operating in vacuum
2016-03-10T18:56:51 < Sync_> I mean, it has all sorts of safety issues
2016-03-10T18:56:51 < Laurenceb_> they would crush instantly, meanwhile cheaper sewer pipe is concrete and already rated to 2bar crush pressure
2016-03-10T18:57:08 < Sync_> well, steel tubing is okay
2016-03-10T18:57:21 < Sync_> you know that inside pressure is different from vacuum? :D
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2016-03-10T18:57:30 < Laurenceb_> its 99% of vacuum
2016-03-10T18:57:39 < Laurenceb_> also why doesnt he just use rails
2016-03-10T18:57:45 < Laurenceb_> that would keep it simple
2016-03-10T18:57:46 < Sync_> general vacuum chamber design is to design for 13bar inside pressure
2016-03-10T18:57:58 < Sync_> because dem efficiencies when you have no air
2016-03-10T18:58:24 < Laurenceb_> rails with +-10kV and interconnects every 50 to 100m to solve the airflow issue
2016-03-10T18:58:54 < Laurenceb_> then the active stability control used on china high speed rail to extend steel rail/ wheel speed limit up to crazy speeds
2016-03-10T18:59:14 < Sync_> well, if the thing crashes or fails somehow how would rescuers get in? :D
2016-03-10T18:59:19 < Getty> i am also confused why the german rail train actually gots forgotten ;)
2016-03-10T18:59:20 < Laurenceb_> explosives
2016-03-10T18:59:35 < Sync_> and then die because they get sucked in
2016-03-10T18:59:38 < Getty> it worked..... and it was never used ;)
2016-03-10T18:59:45 < Laurenceb_> also just use ~off the shelf concrete tube
2016-03-10T19:00:07 < Laurenceb_> have pyrotechnic doors and depressurization systems
2016-03-10T19:00:14 < Sync_> why not steel, it would be vacuum tight from the beginning
2016-03-10T19:00:21 < Lux> isn't the main issue with that stuff to actually build a straight line ?
2016-03-10T19:00:24 < Laurenceb_> expensive to manufacture
2016-03-10T19:00:29 < Sync_> nah
2016-03-10T19:00:32 < Sync_> just use pipeline
2016-03-10T19:00:33 < Lux> even trains can run at >500km/h
2016-03-10T19:00:37 < Laurenceb_> steel would need honeycomb and stuff
2016-03-10T19:00:41 < Sync_> no?
2016-03-10T19:00:52 < Laurenceb_> any pipeline tube would crush instantly
2016-03-10T19:01:02 < Laurenceb_> pipelines are rated to positive pressure
2016-03-10T19:01:10 < Laurenceb_> sewer pipe is negative pressure rated
2016-03-10T19:01:22 < Lux> probably the energy savings you get from a tube is neglible compared to the cost to actually implement such a system
2016-03-10T19:01:45 < Laurenceb_> yeah china high speed rail is very fast
2016-03-10T19:01:57 < englishman> lol america doesnt even build trains why would they build hyperexpensive vacuum tubes
2016-03-10T19:01:58 < Laurenceb_> but pantograph issues limit the speed
2016-03-10T19:02:01 < Lux> they could probably put up solar panels + some storage and still be cheaper
2016-03-10T19:02:05 < Laurenceb_> if he could solve that problem...
2016-03-10T19:02:46 < englishman> hypershoop is em:drive level trolling
2016-03-10T19:02:50 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-03-10T19:03:05 < Lux> government creating jobs i guess
2016-03-10T19:03:11 < Lux> if they pay for it
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2016-03-10T19:03:21 < Sync_> Laurenceb_: they would not, they just have to be rated high enough
2016-03-10T19:03:36 < Sync_> and there are plenty of pipelines that can take 13bar from the inside
2016-03-10T19:03:42 < Sync_> so they would take vacuum just fine
2016-03-10T19:04:11 < Laurenceb_> hopefully...
2016-03-10T19:04:24 < Sync_> they do
2016-03-10T19:04:32 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-03-10T19:04:58 < Laurenceb_> not sure I would trust it unless it was rated for such operation
2016-03-10T19:05:08 < Sync_> why not?
2016-03-10T19:05:14 < Sync_> it is the same as if it was pressurized
2016-03-10T19:05:28 < Sync_> introducing hoop stress
2016-03-10T19:05:35 < Laurenceb_> no
2016-03-10T19:05:44 < englishman> yeah ihave to disagree with that
2016-03-10T19:05:45 < Laurenceb_> buckling modes are different
2016-03-10T19:06:41 < Sync_> yes, it is in compression than in tension
2016-03-10T19:06:42 < Laurenceb_> its much more complex to analyse
2016-03-10T19:06:51 < Getty> ok now i got a bluetooth regulator for my heater and it doesnt pair 8-)
2016-03-10T19:06:59 < Getty> modern technology! you betrayed me!
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2016-03-10T19:10:35 < Sync_> Laurenceb_: it is not
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2016-03-10T19:11:09 < Laurenceb_> what is there is a defect in the pipe
2016-03-10T19:11:13 < Sync_> I have designed vacuum chambers and the codes here tell you to design it as a pressure vessel for about 10-15bar overpressure
2016-03-10T19:11:14 < Laurenceb_> will it collapse?
2016-03-10T19:11:27 < Sync_> yes, it would also explode if it had a defect
2016-03-10T19:11:41 < Laurenceb_> with a pressure vessel small defects will pop out
2016-03-10T19:11:47 < Laurenceb_> as it expands
2016-03-10T19:11:47 < Sync_> that is why you xray the pipes and us inspect them every year
2016-03-10T19:11:53 < Laurenceb_> its much less of an issue
2016-03-10T19:12:18 < Laurenceb_> by defect I mean non cylindrical section
2016-03-10T19:12:58 < Sync_> you mean a dent, yes that will cause issues, but you can apply a large enough safety factor
2016-03-10T19:13:10 < Sync_> and or just not denting the tubes
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2016-03-10T19:21:35 < kakimir> #kicad(+cnt)] [Act: 4,6,7,8,10,11,12,13,14,15]
2016-03-10T19:21:36 < kakimir> [#kicad]
2016-03-10T19:21:51 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMWc2MFZBdTRTaVk/view?usp=sharing
2016-03-10T19:31:09 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/Fms14sS
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2016-03-10T19:56:08 < Steffanx> Whoa such short finnish words kakimir
2016-03-10T19:56:11 < Steffanx> ie = ok?
2016-03-10T20:04:35 < kakimir> ei = no
2016-03-10T20:04:46 < kakimir> kyllä = yes
2016-03-10T20:07:01 < ReadError> mmm
2016-03-10T20:07:04 < ReadError> iphone 6s plus
2016-03-10T20:07:07 < ReadError> such nice
2016-03-10T20:07:47 < kakimir> such profits
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2016-03-10T20:08:15 < ReadError> eh sure
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2016-03-10T20:08:27 < ReadError> but nice
2016-03-10T20:10:49 < kakimir> can you even tell the difference from 5?
2016-03-10T20:11:17 < ReadError> yea well the plus is much bigger
2016-03-10T20:11:22 < ReadError> and its faster
2016-03-10T20:11:40 < ReadError> nicer camera too
2016-03-10T20:15:17 < kakimir> I have great satisfaction with my new netbook
2016-03-10T20:15:36 < kakimir> 7hours of works and youtube playing musics until it suspended itself
2016-03-10T20:16:02 < kakimir> this is the future shiet
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2016-03-10T20:17:26 < kakimir> but playing musics - amiga soundtrack - as video from youtube is kindof reverted
2016-03-10T20:17:48 < kakimir> it sucks at least in three ways
2016-03-10T20:18:35 < kakimir> youtube interface is the suck
2016-03-10T20:19:15 < kakimir> there is excessive use of networking for such a simple task
2016-03-10T20:19:44 < kakimir> and it consumes power in terminal device
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2016-03-10T21:07:48 < Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/10755229
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2016-03-10T21:20:20 < MExee> hi
2016-03-10T21:23:10 < Steffanx> lo
2016-03-10T21:26:43 < MExee> :)
2016-03-10T21:26:46 < MExee> after lone time
2016-03-10T21:26:56 < MExee> we met again,
2016-03-10T21:27:41 < MExee> the nice world of stm32, where we walked through in nice abstraction layers, registers... i missed that world
2016-03-10T21:28:14 < kakimir> I wonder if it's any better to bury some high impendance lines than leave on top layer?
2016-03-10T21:28:36 < kakimir> not in immidite proximity of any high current or voltage traces
2016-03-10T21:29:14 < kakimir> well I have caps
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2016-03-10T22:47:12 < jadew> ok, this display sucks
2016-03-10T22:47:23 < jadew> I couldn't get the colors right
2016-03-10T22:47:35 < jadew> it's either too bright, too washed out, too fucked up
2016-03-10T22:47:46 < jadew> on top of it, the viewing angle sucks
2016-03-10T22:47:57 < jadew> if I get closer to it, it changes color
2016-03-10T22:47:58 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/display_angle.jpg
2016-03-10T22:48:37 < jadew> I simply can't get a good, warm white at low brightness (to match the other two)
2016-03-10T22:49:11 < jadew> it only looks good if it's uncomfortably bright
2016-03-10T22:50:22 < kakimir> I don't remember when phillips was in monitor game
2016-03-10T22:50:29 < kakimir> but it wasn't latelly
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2016-03-10T22:50:47 < jadew> my other two displays are philips and they look great
2016-03-10T22:50:58 < jadew> easy to work on
2016-03-10T22:51:14 < kakimir> basic displays may even have differences inside the same model
2016-03-10T22:51:35 < jadew> I think the panels are very different
2016-03-10T22:51:43 < kakimir> my brother bought 2 fs2333
2016-03-10T22:51:47 < jadew> the older ones seem to have awesome viewing angles
2016-03-10T22:51:55 < jadew> you can look at them from any direction and they barely lose any color
2016-03-10T22:51:59 < jadew> this shit turns blue...
2016-03-10T22:52:05 < kakimir> maybe it was premium
2016-03-10T22:52:07 < kakimir> back then
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2016-03-10T22:52:29 < jadew> not sure, they were about $500 each
2016-03-10T22:52:36 < jadew> but that's many years ago
2016-03-10T22:52:46 < kakimir> tried for hours to match those fs2333
2016-03-10T22:52:49 < jadew> (about 10)
2016-03-10T22:52:53 < kakimir> impossible
2016-03-10T22:53:01 < jadew> kakimir, same model?
2016-03-10T22:53:06 < jadew> that's awful
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2016-03-10T22:54:27 < PeterM> just get some cheap korean 27" 1440p IPS displays and be done with it
2016-03-10T22:54:48 < kakimir> just get old premium eizos and be done
2016-03-10T22:55:10 < jadew> kakimir, I might
2016-03-10T22:55:17 < jadew> I can't believe a display can be this bad
2016-03-10T22:55:30 < kakimir> jadew: did your electricity bill turn out smaller now?
2016-03-10T22:56:04 < jadew> not really, we're electrically heating the balcony so any changes wouldn't be noticeable
2016-03-10T22:57:29 < PeterM> kakimir, except those displays are like 2-3x the cost of the ones im thinking of
2016-03-10T22:58:01 < kakimir> are you suggesting some absolute dirt?
2016-03-10T22:58:05 < PeterM> nope
2016-03-10T22:58:18 < kakimir> I don't know if there is today such
2016-03-10T22:58:24 < kakimir> there was like 5years go
2016-03-10T22:58:29 < PeterM> that isnt a real sentence
2016-03-10T22:58:47 < PeterM> also, it probably doesnt have enough smas for you kakimir
2016-03-10T22:59:14 < kakimir> nowdays anything you buy new it's like quite good
2016-03-10T22:59:45 < kakimir> even dirt cheap ones
2016-03-10T23:00:45 < PeterM> http://www.koreanmonitor.com/guide-2015/
2016-03-10T23:07:21 < kakimir> oh korean monitor is like a thing
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2016-03-10T23:26:19 < Steffanx> im glad i was able to match my two dell screens ( not the same series, made 2 years after each other )
2016-03-10T23:26:46 < jadew> I didn't buy my other two monitors at the same time either
2016-03-10T23:26:58 < jadew> they even have different button layout (but they're the same model)
2016-03-10T23:27:04 < jadew> it wasn't that difficult to match them
2016-03-10T23:27:28 < jadew> I think I'm going to get a monitor calibrator
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2016-03-10T23:27:52 < Steffanx> Also they became smarter at dell in those years. They added a menu option to disable the power button led.
2016-03-10T23:27:59 < Steffanx> must have feature.
2016-03-10T23:28:06 < jadew> yeah, this one has it too
2016-03-10T23:28:21 < jadew> on the one that broke, I had to put tape over it
2016-03-10T23:28:28 < Steffanx> :D
2016-03-10T23:29:09 < jadew> I finally removed the tape when I tried to repair it and I was finally able to disable the LED
2016-03-10T23:29:19 < jadew> smashed it to bits with a screwdriver
2016-03-10T23:29:22 < jadew> felt good
2016-03-10T23:33:20 < jadew> shouldn't be easy to do such calibration with the phone camera?
2016-03-10T23:33:25 < jadew> all you need is a pixel
2016-03-10T23:33:44 < jadew> same shutter speed/iso setting and no white ballance
2016-03-10T23:33:58 < jadew> you read RGB on one, then make it match on the other
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2016-03-11T00:02:54 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v49IB6K28BU Laurenceb_ found. NSFW
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2016-03-11T00:06:50 < emeb> gah - new ST.com site is so busted
2016-03-11T00:07:16 < emeb> can't download the stm32cubef7 libs because the page for it has no link to the file.
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2016-03-11T00:15:18 < Laurenceb_> http://engineerjs.com/?sidebar=docs/iir.html
2016-03-11T00:15:24 < lorenzo> emeb: http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/st_prod_software_internet/resource/technical/software/firmware/stm32cubef7.zip
2016-03-11T00:15:57 < emeb> lorenzo: thx - found an old link to the previous website & got it already.
2016-03-11T00:16:03 < lorenzo> np
2016-03-11T00:16:45 < wbraun> I am using stlink programmer with stutil to program a board. I am finding the programming fails about half the time. I have no clue what causes this.
2016-03-11T00:17:12 < wbraun> The only slightly non standard thing I have is that I connected the reset pin directly to VCC
2016-03-11T00:23:15 < englishman> emeb: funny, works for me, version 1.3.0
2016-03-11T00:23:53 < emeb> englishman: go figure
2016-03-11T00:24:07 < emeb> no "Download" button appears on my browser
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2016-03-11T00:28:10 < Laurenceb_> http://www.micromodeler.com/dsp/
2016-03-11T00:28:13 < Laurenceb_> fap fap fap
2016-03-11T00:30:53 < BrainDamage> what happened to methlab?
2016-03-11T00:32:31 < Laurenceb_> no gui
2016-03-11T00:32:32 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-03-11T00:33:03 < englishman> wbraun: do you alter the pin states of swclk/swdio at any time in your program
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2016-03-11T00:33:27 < englishman> usually connect under reset just simplifies things a lot
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2016-03-11T00:41:46 < Steffanx> the new website is fucking terrible. I often search on a product page to get some quick idea if some part supported peripheral X. Now that information is gone or an image -_-
2016-03-11T00:48:49 < svens_> What is the preferred way to set the option bytes using SW4STM32? Is there any. I'm using an STM32F042C6 if that's relevant.
2016-03-11T00:49:20 < svens_> I see multiple ways, e.g. do it in code using the flash HAL or hacking something in the linker script?
2016-03-11T00:49:40 < svens_> though I'm pretty new to this, so this could be a bad idea
2016-03-11T00:53:43 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/r3Jtww.jpg
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2016-03-11T01:10:25 < kakimir> I think that cat is saying "you're my bitch now"
2016-03-11T01:11:55 < kakimir> anything 30-52volt
2016-03-11T01:12:18 < kakimir> I begin with 100W led module
2016-03-11T01:12:54 < kakimir> then I may create custom led module with MT-G2 leds in it
2016-03-11T01:13:15 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMnZYenVSUWhkZE0/view?usp=sharing
2016-03-11T01:13:50 < kakimir> it's the killer atm.
2016-03-11T01:14:15 < kakimir> this is some shit series just to get started
2016-03-11T01:14:34 < wbraun> nope englishman
2016-03-11T01:14:44 < wbraun> but it seems to be some weird stored state thing
2016-03-11T01:15:08 < wbraun> It failes once, which also corrupts the flash so the program stops running, then the second attempt workds
2016-03-11T01:15:12 < kakimir> I have cnc milled enclosure with optics for that module
2016-03-11T01:16:49 < kakimir> led enclosure will have just a pile of silicone
2016-03-11T01:17:03 < kakimir> driver will have XLR
2016-03-11T01:18:49 < kakimir> and some mini 3pin connector for temp
2016-03-11T01:19:00 < kakimir> and unknown connector for 4wire fan
2016-03-11T01:19:25 < kakimir> well what else
2016-03-11T01:19:42 < kakimir> pwm, tacho, 12V, GND
2016-03-11T01:21:32 < kakimir> I wouldn't run in battery powered application
2016-03-11T01:23:30 < kakimir> I need to build bigger cooling/optics enclosure for the killer led module with MT-G2s
2016-03-11T01:23:59 < kakimir> need to put at least 150W to that led
2016-03-11T01:24:39 < kakimir> my friend milled last one in school workshop
2016-03-11T01:24:47 < kakimir> he isn't in school anymore
2016-03-11T01:25:30 < kakimir> it needs to be a jawdropper.. go big or go home
2016-03-11T01:26:03 < kakimir> it's with sport optics
2016-03-11T01:26:06 < kakimir> spot
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2016-03-11T01:40:30 < zyp> because they'll have to be to hire you?
2016-03-11T01:40:40 < dongs> zing
2016-03-11T01:41:48 < kakimir> there seems to be ip68 fans
2016-03-11T01:42:48 < kakimir> immersion proof would be great
2016-03-11T01:42:59 < dongs> make a boat out of fans
2016-03-11T01:43:43 < kakimir> lets? have you told them?
2016-03-11T01:43:56 < kakimir> and isn't that typical workday?
2016-03-11T01:44:07 < kakimir> you look busy... keep on
2016-03-11T01:45:07 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKel9SOXdQeGhhR0k/view?usp=sharing done for the night
2016-03-11T01:46:01 < kakimir> what is your like.. profession?
2016-03-11T01:46:51 < kakimir> seriously?
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2016-03-11T01:48:44 < kakimir> you are very constructive
2016-03-11T01:49:04 < kakimir> and initiative
2016-03-11T01:50:03 < kakimir> you were so bored
2016-03-11T01:50:13 < kakimir> you actually started cleaning stuff
2016-03-11T01:50:36 < kakimir> start coding
2016-03-11T01:56:25 < kakimir> lpcxpresso
2016-03-11T01:56:37 < kakimir> just openocd it
2016-03-11T01:58:40 < kakimir> you tryna wake him up?
2016-03-11T01:58:49 < kakimir> *trynna
2016-03-11T02:00:18 < bvsh> i find that mkd5 sucks real bad as ide
2016-03-11T02:02:45 < bvsh> dunno.. say anything eclipse based or vs..
2016-03-11T02:02:50 < bvsh> or nicely tuned emacs
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2016-03-11T02:15:43 < Sync_> holy fuck that trigger jitter
2016-03-11T02:15:46 < Sync_> but yeah wat
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2016-03-11T02:30:16 < ReadError> http://blog.atmel.com/2016/03/03/the-first-avr-device/
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2016-03-11T02:50:29 < Laurenceb_> lies
2016-03-11T02:50:35 < Laurenceb_> wasnt it a uni project?
2016-03-11T02:50:42 < Laurenceb_> so it should be some random FPGA board
2016-03-11T02:51:57 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1457649785199.jpg
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2016-03-11T03:42:03 < jadew> so... I hacked together a color calibrator but it doesn't seem to work great
2016-03-11T03:42:26 < jadew> made the RGB intensity to match perfectly, but the old one still looks warmer
2016-03-11T03:53:44 < jadew> which thing?
2016-03-11T03:55:58 < jadew> I made it out of my phone, added some paper over the camera and used an app that allows fine control of the camera
2016-03-11T03:56:09 < jadew> so I had fixed exposure iso and white ballance
2016-03-11T03:56:10 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/9rPRn.png
2016-03-11T03:56:30 < jadew> then I made a little program to fetch the screen from the phone and I'm averaging what's inside that square
2016-03-11T03:57:15 < jadew> R2COM, trying to transfer the color temperature from one monitor to the other
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2016-03-11T03:59:32 < jadew> haha
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2016-03-11T04:04:34 < dongs> jadew: what teh fuck are you assburgering
2016-03-11T04:04:45 < dongs> why did you buy a monitor with wled backlight in 2016
2016-03-11T04:04:58 < jadew> I didn't know they suck
2016-03-11T04:05:04 < dongs> you cant calibrate out blue hue from shit monitors, thats why you only buy GB-R backlight
2016-03-11T04:05:41 < jadew> dongs, good to know
2016-03-11T04:05:47 < jadew> I'm going to return it
2016-03-11T04:05:50 < dongs> https://pcmonitors.info/articles/the-evolution-of-led-backlights/
2016-03-11T04:06:01 < jadew> yeah, found that link too
2016-03-11T04:06:09 < dongs> the pic mid-way the page
2016-03-11T04:06:12 < dongs> is waht you want your backlight to be
2016-03-11T04:06:18 < dongs> all 3 primaries in same level
2016-03-11T04:07:08 < jadew> I figured, did you see the picture with the two monitors side-by-side?
2016-03-11T04:07:23 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Microcontroller/PCB-with-bluetooth-GPIO-ports/
2016-03-11T04:07:26 < dongs> ???????????????????
2016-03-11T04:07:32 < jadew> if I get closer to it it goes blue: http://dumb.ro/files/display_angle.jpg
2016-03-11T04:07:39 < dongs> < jadew> if I get closer to it it goes blue: http://dumb.ro/files/display_angle.jpg
2016-03-11T04:07:42 < dongs> clicking
2016-03-11T04:07:47 < dongs> ya haha
2016-03-11T04:07:50 < dongs> nice
2016-03-11T04:08:52 < jadew> if I stay at the perfect center (vertically) at about 50-70cm from it, the upper part is redish and the bottom part blueish :/
2016-03-11T04:09:11 < dongs> what hte hell shit monitor did youbuy
2016-03-11T04:09:13 < dongs> is it not IPS or something?
2016-03-11T04:09:29 < jadew> it's not
2016-03-11T04:09:33 < dongs> ...
2016-03-11T04:09:39 < jadew> it's a philips, not even midrange
2016-03-11T04:09:44 < jadew> (their midrange)
2016-03-11T04:09:51 < jadew> it's amongst the more expensive ones
2016-03-11T04:10:52 < jadew> I guess this is the last philips monitor I'll buy for a while
2016-03-11T04:12:40 < dongs> didnt know philips was eveni n business
2016-03-11T04:12:48 < dongs> of monitors
2016-03-11T04:13:23 < jadew> they are and their older models are still serving me well
2016-03-11T04:13:35 < jadew> there's no term of comparison between them
2016-03-11T04:18:04 < dongs> i have no complaints about my UP2414Q other than displayport disconnect trash
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2016-03-11T04:18:20 < dongs> upgrdman bought it and thought the blacks were too gray, but he's a racist fuck
2016-03-11T04:18:55 < upgrdman> it might have been the monitor i got
2016-03-11T04:18:59 < upgrdman> it was a refurb from amazon
2016-03-11T04:19:18 < upgrdman> and the lg monitor i use now looks better, despite dell having lg panels iirc
2016-03-11T04:20:14 < upgrdman> usa price * 2 = aussie price, no?
2016-03-11T04:20:28 < upgrdman> since aussies get ass raped all day long?
2016-03-11T04:20:49 < jadew> it's pricey
2016-03-11T04:21:34 < dongs> UP = proper backlight/color gamut
2016-03-11T04:21:37 < dongs> (from dell)
2016-03-11T04:21:52 < dongs> since its "professional" or whatever
2016-03-11T04:29:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/LE8iR8G.jpg fucking microchip
2016-03-11T04:29:42 < dongs> 4L and temperature drop really almost 20C
2016-03-11T04:30:48 < jadew> you got the the therm-app?
2016-03-11T04:31:13 < dongs> sure
2016-03-11T04:31:28 < jadew> dongs, nice, is it better then the flir?
2016-03-11T04:31:52 < dongs> R2COM: here ug http://www.aliexpress.com/item/relojes-hombre-2015-New-Arrivals-Fashion-Men-Famous-Brand-Full-Stainless-Steel-Strap-Mens-Sports-Watches/32492300480.html?spm=2114.40010308.4.8.baD4pG
2016-03-11T04:31:53 < jadew> R2COM, no, you don't have to buy it to review
2016-03-11T04:32:14 < dongs> R2COM: same thing for $10
2016-03-11T04:32:16 < dongs> on aliexpress
2016-03-11T04:32:50 < jadew> I don't get expensive watches
2016-03-11T04:33:21 < jadew> if it's a fashion thing, nobody will notice it
2016-03-11T04:34:42 < jadew> I have a much better watch here
2016-03-11T04:35:04 < jadew> many orders of magnitude more accurate
2016-03-11T04:35:13 < dongs> jadew: thermapp is pretty good, obviously better resolution than flir, and also focusable
2016-03-11T04:35:28 < jadew> dongs, nice
2016-03-11T04:35:46 < dongs> which means I can go from http://i.imgur.com/XS6CUHu.jpg to http://i.imgur.com/ji1Z3MG.jpg to http://i.imgur.com/otWqU3v.jpg
2016-03-11T04:36:09 < dongs> few days ago i saw birds twittering around in my rice field from like 30 meters away in pitch black
2016-03-11T04:36:32 < dongs> flir doesnt d o that
2016-03-11T04:36:52 < jadew> the image looks noise-free
2016-03-11T04:38:21 < dongs> i like it. its same price as E4 flir, but beats E8 which is like $5k
2016-03-11T04:39:03 < dongs> looks like E8 is only 4k now
2016-03-11T04:39:24 < jadew> seek came up with a new camera too
2016-03-11T04:39:27 < jadew> 15 fps
2016-03-11T04:39:31 < dongs> lol, fuck them.
2016-03-11T04:39:41 < jadew> yeah, their sensor sucks
2016-03-11T04:39:52 < jadew> but it's good they're on the market
2016-03-11T04:39:57 < jadew> they'll push prices down
2016-03-11T04:40:53 < upgrdman> how much is the thermapp?
2016-03-11T04:41:06 < upgrdman> and is that gay font changeable?
2016-03-11T04:41:20 < dongs> that GAY FONT is my ANDROID UI FONT
2016-03-11T04:41:26 < dongs> thank you.
2016-03-11T04:41:46 < dongs> and its $950 or $995 or osmethin with free shipping direct from ISRAEL
2016-03-11T04:42:46 < upgrdman> is it also 9fps?
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2016-03-11T04:43:28 < dongs> yeah
2016-03-11T04:43:32 < dongs> they also have a 30fps one
2016-03-11T04:43:35 < dongs> for liek 1k more
2016-03-11T04:43:36 < dongs> or somethin
2016-03-11T04:43:40 < dongs> jews dont care
2016-03-11T04:43:43 < dongs> about usa export restrictions
2016-03-11T04:44:44 < dongs> looks like its $939 now
2016-03-11T04:45:04 < dongs> i want that 35mm lens but not for $750
2016-03-11T04:45:04 < dongs> lolz
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2016-03-11T05:30:29 < emeb_mac> R2COM: awesome!
2016-03-11T05:30:51 < dongs> err isnt that old as fuck
2016-03-11T05:31:02 < ReadMobl> iphone 6s plus shoots 4k
2016-03-11T05:31:26 < dongs> you mean same 4K dixus6 and uh my S6 have been doing for over a year?
2016-03-11T05:31:32 < dongs> glad to hear apple is on top of things
2016-03-11T05:32:01 < dongs> any more breakthroughs from latest steve cock-stroker event?
2016-03-11T05:32:08 < ReadMobl> is yours stuff 64bit brah?
2016-03-11T05:32:51 < dongs> R2COM: yes...
2016-03-11T05:32:55 < ReadMobl> oh 32bit
2016-03-11T05:32:57 < ReadMobl> pffft
2016-03-11T05:32:58 < dongs> er R2COM ^
2016-03-11T05:33:01 < dongs> erre ReadMobl fucking nigger
2016-03-11T05:33:04 < dongs> yes S6 is 64butt
2016-03-11T05:33:08 < dongs> and so is dixus 6
2016-03-11T05:33:09 < dongs> who cares
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2016-03-11T05:48:54 < englishman> There are phones that don't take 4k video?
2016-03-11T05:53:36 < ReadMobl> I got an invitr
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2016-03-11T07:25:55 < Getty> i am just scared about the moment where amazon pushs them to increase production ;)
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2016-03-11T08:49:53 < upgrdman> a new dell 4k monitor? http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=210-AHIQ
2016-03-11T08:49:59 < upgrdman> dongs ^ you know about that one?
2016-03-11T08:51:20 < upgrdman> looks like a cheap stand though.
2016-03-11T08:51:26 < upgrdman> and no usb hub :/
2016-03-11T08:52:12 < upgrdman> oh wtf, it's a tn panel. why is it more expensive than their ips shits.
2016-03-11T08:52:42 < upgrdman> has 2port usb hub
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2016-03-11T08:56:37 < dongs> clicking
2016-03-11T08:56:43 < dongs> S must mean superShitty
2016-03-11T08:57:01 < dongs> who gives a shit about hub
2016-03-11T08:57:44 < upgrdman> ya i know, but it was just weird. more expensive, tn panel, fewer usb ports.
2016-03-11T08:57:48 < upgrdman> like "why"
2016-03-11T08:58:13 < upgrdman> all i can think of is "ohh glossy, we can charge more for that" or some shit
2016-03-11T08:58:24 < dongs> i'd pay maybe $100 for that thing
2016-03-11T08:58:29 < upgrdman> glossy shell, not panel
2016-03-11T09:02:27 < dongs> ohh
2016-03-11T09:02:28 < dongs> built in speakers
2016-03-11T09:02:40 < upgrdman> lol, gay
2016-03-11T09:02:48 < upgrdman> but ya, that's different i guess
2016-03-11T09:02:49 < dongs> more like great
2016-03-11T09:02:55 < dongs> i have that dell USB soundbar
2016-03-11T09:02:59 < dongs> its great
2016-03-11T09:03:01 < upgrdman> you want shit built-in speakers?
2016-03-11T09:03:06 < upgrdman> o
2016-03-11T09:03:08 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-03-11T09:03:12 < dongs> its same shit basically I guess
2016-03-11T09:03:15 < dongs> except its in the monitor
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2016-03-11T09:34:09 < zyp> I bought some fairly cheap philips 20" in 2006 or so
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2016-03-11T09:34:37 < zyp> turns out it's a VA panel and looks pretty nice, so I'm still using it as my second monitor
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2016-03-11T11:54:13 < dongs> is there any 5.8ghz ICs like CC2500 shit
2016-03-11T11:55:21 < jpa-> DW1000? though that's for location systems
2016-03-11T11:55:33 < dongs> ya no
2016-03-11T11:55:42 < dongs> i want something with like ASK or QPSK modulation
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2016-03-11T12:40:29 < dongs> you werent here when i pasted them
2016-03-11T12:40:58 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Manufacturing/Design-volt-smps-power-supply/
2016-03-11T12:41:08 < dongs> can i link this guy to some meanwell industrial supply
2016-03-11T12:41:13 < dongs> it should fit into his budget
2016-03-11T12:41:55 < dongs> 1. Total components cost should be less than 100 INR
2016-03-11T12:41:57 < dongs> haha.
2016-03-11T12:42:02 < dongs> 100 Indian Rupee equals
2016-03-11T12:42:02 < dongs> 1.490 US Dollar
2016-03-11T12:43:38 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Technical-Writing/Adding-the-name-author-list/
2016-03-11T12:51:32 < lorenzo> why would you design something you can get already done and certified for $5?
2016-03-11T12:52:14 < lorenzo> I mean that's the bulk price for a emerson network 5V 1A psu
2016-03-11T12:52:35 < lorenzo> which is way better than what a random guy could design for a hundred bucks
2016-03-11T12:52:38 < lorenzo> bah
2016-03-11T12:52:47 < dongs> 100 bucks?
2016-03-11T12:52:50 < dongs> no his budget is $30
2016-03-11T12:52:59 < dongs> i suspect if some paki does deliver him a "design"
2016-03-11T12:53:04 < dongs> he will kill himself the moment its plugged in
2016-03-11T12:58:23 < dongs> BREAKING: Hostage situation underway at a school in Enghien-les-Bains, a northern Paris suburb; RAID, the French police counter-terrorism unit, is at the scene; suicide blast threat also reported
2016-03-11T12:58:27 < dongs> RIP
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2016-03-11T13:03:50 < englishman> The elite RAID police force has taken into custody an armed “madman” who had threatened to blow himself up in the Paris suburb of Enghien-les-Bains.
2016-03-11T13:03:53 < englishman> Boring
2016-03-11T13:04:48 < dongs> sorry ya wasnt to oexicitng
2016-03-11T13:08:52 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/O/32362255989.html
2016-03-11T13:11:01 < dongs> i bought 3 how about you
2016-03-11T13:11:41 < PeterM> actually, i'd probably buy that
2016-03-11T13:12:18 < PeterM> decent mouse pads are nice, but pretty pricy, thats like 4 mousepads right there
2016-03-11T13:14:36 < dongs> PeterM: got any rec's for 1S switching charger/power management thing?
2016-03-11T13:14:56 < dongs> or should i just shutup and look at ti.com/chargers or someshit
2016-03-11T13:15:07 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/power-management/battery-charger-ic-products.page im here but theres over 9000 choices
2016-03-11T13:17:37 < dongs> only 16 parts <= 24Vin, powerpath
2016-03-11T13:23:29 < zyp> do people still use mouse pads?
2016-03-11T13:27:05  * karlp does.
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2016-03-11T13:27:23 < karlp> and if the computer shops around here are any indiciation, so do all the g4mers
2016-03-11T13:27:51 < jpa-> yeah, to play games you need a mouse pad with two gel-filled tits on it
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2016-03-11T13:36:35 < zyp> why would anybody want that?
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2016-03-11T13:54:17 < zyp> why?
2016-03-11T13:55:11 < zyp> do you use a proper pdf browser with TOC support?
2016-03-11T13:55:54 < zyp> do you use the TOC?
2016-03-11T13:56:04 < karlp> helps if you get pdfs that have proper indices :)
2016-03-11T13:56:09 < karlp> thankfully ST does.
2016-03-11T13:56:24 < zyp> well, paper don't :p
2016-03-11T13:56:57 < zyp> and then there's word search
2016-03-11T13:57:50 < zyp> I was going to mention revisions and shit too
2016-03-11T13:58:04 < zyp> some chips have RMs with double digit revision numbers now
2016-03-11T13:58:30 < zyp> sounds like a lot of work to keep paper copies updated
2016-03-11T13:58:42 < zyp> especially if you work on multiple stm32 families
2016-03-11T13:59:27 < zyp> I've made boards with f1, f3, f4 and l0 so far, and used devboards for a few more
2016-03-11T14:00:09 < englishman> st docs are great, all have clickable headers in sidebar
2016-03-11T14:00:29 < zyp> englishman, that's what I refer to as TOC
2016-03-11T14:00:48 < englishman> yes that
2016-03-11T14:01:28 < englishman> Document Map is a shitty name
2016-03-11T14:01:34 < zyp> I'm sure that if I had hardcopies of all ST docs I've used, it'd consume a few shelves by now
2016-03-11T14:02:20 < englishman> and yeah f103 rm is like rev 16
2016-03-11T14:02:40 < englishman> thats a lot of trees to murder
2016-03-11T14:02:48 < zyp> I think f4 RM was rev 8 last I checked
2016-03-11T14:03:36 < zyp> it's been a while since last I checked :)
2016-03-11T14:03:51 < zyp> what's new? does it cover f469 now as well?
2016-03-11T14:04:08 < englishman> itd be neat if timecube offered centralized documentation with updating
2016-03-11T14:05:10 < zyp> yeah, RM0090 is what I refer to as the f4 RM
2016-03-11T14:06:40 < zyp> last I checked it covered f405/f407, f427/f429 and crypto versions of those
2016-03-11T14:06:57 < zyp> but that was before f469 was announced, I think
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2016-03-11T14:30:58 < qyx> dongs: how's your multi-usb-output charger?
2016-03-11T14:37:14 < PeterM> he said its good i asked him about it a week or two ago
2016-03-11T14:37:57 < zyp> I bought a couple of the Anker 60W 6-port chargers last year, they're nice
2016-03-11T14:38:16 < zyp> if you want a consumer solution
2016-03-11T14:58:19 < qyx> I want to charge 2-3 usb devices from a 42-60V source
2016-03-11T14:58:46 < englishman> yep just plug the shit right in
2016-03-11T14:58:51 < englishman> new usb 3.1 megajuice mode
2016-03-11T14:58:55 < englishman> no prob
2016-03-11T14:59:01 < qyx> considered that
2016-03-11T14:59:15 < qyx> but the warranty probably doesn't cover this
2016-03-11T14:59:35 < BrainDamage> keeping this trend we'll end up with usb 10 with devices plugging directly to mains
2016-03-11T15:03:53 < BrainDamage> mostly isolation annoyances, space is already premium on a phone
2016-03-11T15:04:01 < BrainDamage> try adding isolation for mains interface
2016-03-11T15:14:16 < zyp> haha
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2016-03-11T15:57:04 < kakimir> I wonder if I could make current critical parts without thermal reliefs and then install them in more laborous way
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2016-03-11T15:57:27 < kakimir> and if it changes anything
2016-03-11T15:58:01 < zyp> why?
2016-03-11T16:03:37 < PeterM> kakimir, you only need to put thermal reliefs on tiny parts anyway, and tiny parts arent goign to be doign crazy current so im not seeing your point
2016-03-11T16:04:19 < kakimir> tyny parts whatever
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2016-03-11T16:04:37 < kakimir> I'm talking about parts that handle the current
2016-03-11T16:05:28 < PeterM> any part that handles any big amount of current isn't prone to tombstoning so dont worry about thermals
2016-03-11T16:06:03 < kakimir> qg?
2016-03-11T16:06:10 < PeterM> gate charge
2016-03-11T16:06:41 < kakimir> are you talking about fets or what?
2016-03-11T16:07:02 < kakimir> I have fets picked up already
2016-03-11T16:07:06 < kakimir> with ok gate charge
2016-03-11T16:09:25 < kakimir> i wont
2016-03-11T16:09:36 < PeterM> they're all SMAs
2016-03-11T16:09:43 < kakimir> almost true
2016-03-11T16:11:04 < BrainDamage> sma are power connectors too :J
2016-03-11T16:12:58 < BrainDamage> i could use an unleaded glass crt as cheap xray source
2016-03-11T16:13:26 < PeterM> or you could just kindly ask upgrdman
2016-03-11T16:15:15 < PeterM> no, his work does medical xrays or osmething
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2016-03-11T16:20:09 < kakimir> but are you saying that
2016-03-11T16:20:27 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/EuJL4Bf.jpg#
2016-03-11T16:20:29 < kakimir> thermal reliefin is just to avoid tombstoning?
2016-03-11T16:20:52 < zyp> no
2016-03-11T16:21:27 < BrainDamage> his main problems are not strictly engineering related
2016-03-11T16:21:38 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2016-03-11T16:21:49 < kakimir> BrainDamage: mental issues?
2016-03-11T16:22:38 < kakimir> and make soldering with iron possible
2016-03-11T16:22:51 < kakimir> of single components
2016-03-11T16:23:25 < kakimir> I have had soldering iron to tombstone
2016-03-11T16:23:51 < kakimir> in tite 4layr board with lot of stitching
2016-03-11T16:24:07 < kakimir> or was it.. aluminum board
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2016-03-11T16:24:31 < kakimir> I think I need acetone+oxygen burner
2016-03-11T16:24:45 < kakimir> do it like some pipework
2016-03-11T16:25:41 < kakimir> I think I should
2016-03-11T16:25:52 < kakimir> my guru hates me for using chinese vrap
2016-03-11T16:25:54 < kakimir> crap
2016-03-11T16:26:14 < kakimir> tells always of superiority of jbc
2016-03-11T16:27:42 < zyp> crt, proper equipment is half the job
2016-03-11T16:27:45 < zyp> regardless of brands
2016-03-11T16:28:01 < zyp> jbc makes really nice stuff though
2016-03-11T16:28:21 < zyp> I don't have enough experience with metcal to say
2016-03-11T16:28:43 < zyp> but my 80W weller is still decent for larger stuff
2016-03-11T16:29:16 < zyp> I'm still looking forward to the day I can justify the price of the jbc nano rework station
2016-03-11T16:29:30 < PeterM> imho metcals handpeices feel better and build quality feels better, heating is about the same for small/medium joins, jbc has more raw h=power for big jons and has wider temperature range
2016-03-11T16:29:39 < zyp> had one at previous employer, was nice as fuck
2016-03-11T16:30:07 < PeterM> imho the jbc t/c210 stuff is as small as i would go
2016-03-11T16:30:54 < PeterM> i am very familia with both of them crt, i have done my own controllers for them
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2016-03-11T16:31:38 < PeterM> i assume you're refering to sparkybg?
2016-03-11T16:31:41 < PeterM> no that isnt me
2016-03-11T16:31:57 < PeterM> i messaged him to ask soem questions, nerver replied
2016-03-11T16:32:17 < PeterM> imho his station is over complicated
2016-03-11T16:32:21 < PeterM> also pic32
2016-03-11T16:32:26 < PeterM> nope
2016-03-11T16:32:39 < PeterM> metcal tips are liek $10 each, jbc are like $30 minimum
2016-03-11T16:33:58 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/FbyHQ8W.jpg
2016-03-11T16:34:03 < kakimir> I think I leave inner layers without thermal relief
2016-03-11T16:34:31 < kakimir> crt: how many hours of work have you done today?
2016-03-11T16:34:44 < kakimir> of which work?
2016-03-11T16:34:49 < PeterM> i much prefer metcal tip-grip distance on their standard irons
2016-03-11T16:34:59 < zyp> PeterM, shorter or longer?
2016-03-11T16:35:04 < PeterM> jbs t/c240 tip to grip sucks
2016-03-11T16:35:07 < PeterM> shorter
2016-03-11T16:35:15 < zyp> fair
2016-03-11T16:35:26 < zyp> the short distance is one of the things I like about the nano stuff
2016-03-11T16:35:33 < kakimir> such a tool - crt
2016-03-11T16:35:36 < PeterM> the jbc t/c210 is pretty good, but only tiny tips
2016-03-11T16:35:59 < zyp> also, do you replace tips often enough for cost to matter much?
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2016-03-11T16:36:42 < BrainDamage> how can you live with conical tips
2016-03-11T16:36:44 < PeterM> i dont think i've ruined any tips (aside from intentionally), so i'd ahve to say no
2016-03-11T16:37:11 < zyp> I can see $60 is much if you replace a tip every month, but if they last years then the cost is pretty irrelevant
2016-03-11T16:37:12 < BrainDamage> chisel and semi conical for me
2016-03-11T16:37:13 < Steffanx> Welcome back crt
2016-03-11T16:37:18 < PeterM> BUT to buy the jbc equivilent of my metcal ones it was about 2-3x the price
2016-03-11T16:37:41 < PeterM> bent conical and chisel is very good
2016-03-11T16:38:09 < PeterM> bent conicals are extremely good for removing solder bridges
2016-03-11T16:38:09 < zyp> Steffanx, sup?
2016-03-11T16:39:20 < Steffanx> Not much zyp
2016-03-11T16:40:01 < englishman> thermaldonics has been great
2016-03-11T16:40:04 < englishman> way cheaper than metcalz
2016-03-11T16:40:16 < PeterM> build quality on JBC handles is something i dont like, after an hour or so of soldering they are almost untouchable, never had an issue wiht that and my metcal though
2016-03-11T16:40:35 < kakimir> crt: recommend some low temp solder?
2016-03-11T16:42:10 < kakimir> nice
2016-03-11T16:42:18 < PeterM> crt why u no eutectic?
2016-03-11T16:42:26 < kakimir> I have only 50 50 with 1.5copper
2016-03-11T16:42:45 < PeterM> ahh
2016-03-11T16:43:12 < PeterM> i dont think ive found a common one
2016-03-11T16:43:32 < PeterM> there are some, just not every day use opnes
2016-03-11T16:44:02 < BrainDamage> non lead depends on the actual alloy
2016-03-11T16:44:05 < PeterM> eutectic leaded solder is good though, no plastic region means as oon as its cooled a bit its good to go
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2016-03-11T16:44:43 < BrainDamage> everyone is, except when they're forced not to
2016-03-11T16:45:19 < BrainDamage> i've had all sort of wacky stuff mixing various alloys
2016-03-11T16:45:33 < BrainDamage> once i got amalgamation on my tip
2016-03-11T16:45:45 < BrainDamage> i could bend it like it was rubber
2016-03-11T16:45:58 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYWV5ZUNtVUFGd3M/view?usp=sharing I'm not that sure of things
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2016-03-11T16:46:29 < k\o\w>  /j #foulab
2016-03-11T16:46:34 < k\o\w> hurrr
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2016-03-11T16:47:41 < k\o\w> I'd love a cheap alternative to that fr300
2016-03-11T16:48:11 < k\o\w> ZD985?
2016-03-11T16:49:07 < k\o\w> I guess I wasn't planning to impulse buy anything else this week...
2016-03-11T16:49:28 < zyp> is a desoldering station really any useful if you don't do much PTH work?
2016-03-11T16:49:51 < zyp> yeah
2016-03-11T16:50:02 < k\o\w> I'm trying to switch to doing as much SMD as possible but I will probably always run into through hole rework
2016-03-11T16:50:34 < zyp> I used to be all about those manual solder suction pumps and couldn't understand the point of using solder wick
2016-03-11T16:50:58 < zyp> for removing leftover solder on smt stuff, wick tends to work better
2016-03-11T16:53:22 < zyp> not messy enough :)
2016-03-11T16:53:54 < PeterM> you can see the average of my bench i nthe backgroudn of the pic i linked earlier
2016-03-11T16:54:06 < PeterM> i dont want to show much more than that
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2016-03-11T16:54:50 < kakimir> crt: what kind of regulator that is?
2016-03-11T16:55:30 < kakimir> what are the modules powered?
2016-03-11T16:55:41 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/rRYHp.JPG <- here's the last pic I have of my home lab before I moved
2016-03-11T16:55:42 < kakimir> looks chinese
2016-03-11T16:55:50 < PeterM> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_hysteria
2016-03-11T16:56:27 < PeterM> weaboo fgt
2016-03-11T16:57:06 < zyp> label printer is nice, but I kinda wish I got one that could print wider labels
2016-03-11T16:57:28 < zyp> yep
2016-03-11T16:57:47 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQjhpb1dldnhpdW8/view?usp=sharing my pileup
2016-03-11T16:58:21 < zyp> haha
2016-03-11T16:59:11 < kakimir> it is
2016-03-11T16:59:16 < jpa-> is the elephant trying to eat your smas?
2016-03-11T16:59:20 < k\o\w> PeterM, I love a good messy desk https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipO09_yxJr-dfqa_wzbusMCMWk0NGZ4mmGiuVAc
2016-03-11T16:59:30 < kakimir> I dont want to vommit on my circuit
2016-03-11T16:59:37 < kakimir> thats the issue
2016-03-11T16:59:59 < PeterM> 404. ThatÂ’s an error.
2016-03-11T17:00:03 < kakimir> k\o\w: 404
2016-03-11T17:00:15 < k\o\w> https://goo.gl/photos/72bx3qC8GvcL7yAAA
2016-03-11T17:00:22 < k\o\w> google photos is sucks
2016-03-11T17:00:29 < jpa-> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/P1010615.JPG   my desk as of now
2016-03-11T17:01:53 < MightyPork> hi, anyone got time to check if something I'm writing makes sense? (designing a little binary protocol)
2016-03-11T17:01:59 < MightyPork> here's my "spec" : https://github.com/MightyPork/sbmp
2016-03-11T17:02:06 < MightyPork> I'm concerned about the arbitration bit
2016-03-11T17:02:08 < MightyPork> will it work
2016-03-11T17:02:11 < PeterM> mine is probably as bad as zyp + kow combined
2016-03-11T17:02:41 < zyp> MightyPork, looking
2016-03-11T17:02:47 < MightyPork> thanks
2016-03-11T17:03:26 < jpa-> MightyPork: hmm.. so only 2 devices or multiple devices?
2016-03-11T17:03:36 < MightyPork> currently only two
2016-03-11T17:04:03 < zyp> MightyPork, mixing binary framing and ascii prints doesn't make sense
2016-03-11T17:04:08 < MightyPork> one must be "master", but it's not pre-assigned
2016-03-11T17:04:13 < zyp> as yourself if you really want to do that
2016-03-11T17:04:29 < lorenzo> I don't want to be that guy but aren't there plenty of protocols already for point to point/multipoint comms
2016-03-11T17:04:29 < MightyPork> it's not meant as a part of the protocol
2016-03-11T17:04:37 < jpa-> MightyPork: you will want to include explicit payload size, because otherwise ignoring unknown messages becomes difficult
2016-03-11T17:04:38 < MightyPork> if you have just one usart, it can be useful
2016-03-11T17:04:50 < MightyPork> oh, good point
2016-03-11T17:05:01 < zyp> yeah, I were going to mention payload size
2016-03-11T17:05:04 < jpa-> protobuf might be of interest also, though that is higher level
2016-03-11T17:05:16 < fenugrec> MightyPork why not some kind of single-wire CAN instead
2016-03-11T17:05:21 < zyp> also checksum to verify correct reception
2016-03-11T17:05:30 < fenugrec> instead of inventing yet another proto
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2016-03-11T17:05:40 < zyp> fenugrec, CAN is a bit level protocol, this is a byte level framing layer
2016-03-11T17:05:51 < MightyPork> yep this is for USART
2016-03-11T17:06:01 < zyp> MightyPork, start/stop bytes without escape codes looks a bit weird
2016-03-11T17:06:07 < fenugrec> CAN specifies 8byte frames...
2016-03-11T17:06:08 < jpa-> it works, though
2016-03-11T17:06:14 < lorenzo> why stateful?
2016-03-11T17:06:16 < jpa-> well, stop is useless
2016-03-11T17:06:21 < fenugrec> but yes, the UART argument works
2016-03-11T17:06:23 < zyp> if you go out of sync, you won't know if 0x01 is the middle of a message or the start of a new one
2016-03-11T17:06:34 < zyp> and yes, stop is useless too
2016-03-11T17:06:38 < jpa-> but start + checksum will let one to recover sync eventually
2016-03-11T17:06:53 < jpa-> especially if start is made two bytes or similar
2016-03-11T17:06:54 < MightyPork> okay so if I drop stop and add cksum that's better
2016-03-11T17:07:03 < zyp> yes
2016-03-11T17:07:40 < jpa-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Level_Data_Link_Control   this may be worth a look as a pre-existing "standard"
2016-03-11T17:08:00 < zyp> I suggest you split it into a framing layer and a frame ID layer
2016-03-11T17:08:19 < zyp> that way you can run the frame ID layer on top of a framed protocol if you later want to
2016-03-11T17:08:27 < zyp> (e.g. USB)
2016-03-11T17:08:36 < MightyPork> interesting, that's quite similar to what I'm doing. just more complex
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2016-03-11T17:09:09 < englishman> http://worlddroneprix.live/video?id=4
2016-03-11T17:09:18 < MightyPork> zyp not sure I understand what you mean by the layers
2016-03-11T17:09:45 < BrainDamage> have the packetization not tied to the transport protocol
2016-03-11T17:09:59 < zyp> MightyPork, the framing layer would only be responsible for turning bytes into frames and vice versa
2016-03-11T17:10:15 < zyp> i.e. start byte, length, checksum
2016-03-11T17:10:32 < zyp> that wraps around a frame with the given length
2016-03-11T17:10:44 < MightyPork> won't that lose the continuity thing though?
2016-03-11T17:10:53 < zyp> continuity?
2016-03-11T17:11:08 < MightyPork> the session ID ties response to a request
2016-03-11T17:11:09 < Laurenceb_> heh this sounds similar to my SP1ML issues
2016-03-11T17:11:20 < zyp> MightyPork, that's not part of the framing
2016-03-11T17:11:26 < Laurenceb_> I'll stick my code up at some point.. probably a few days
2016-03-11T17:11:46 < zyp> MightyPork, you build the session ID layer on top of that
2016-03-11T17:12:24 < MightyPork> ah I see. so <start><length><payload><crc>   and payload is <sessionId><packetType><userdata> basically
2016-03-11T17:12:33 < zyp> MightyPork, think about how TCP is layered on top of IP, TCP takes care of session IDs, IP gets the packets where they need to go
2016-03-11T17:12:51 < zyp> and if you want to run that over a serial line, you use SLIP or PPP under IP as a framing layer
2016-03-11T17:13:31 < MightyPork> makes sense
2016-03-11T17:14:01 < zyp> USB is rather common nowadays, and USB already includes framing, so if you want to run your protocol over USB, you don't need an extra framing layer
2016-03-11T17:14:21 < zyp> so having that as a separate layer rather than an integral part of the protocol makes it more portable
2016-03-11T17:14:26 < MightyPork> oh right. I drop my checksum, length, SOF and rest is the same
2016-03-11T17:14:35 < zyp> yep
2016-03-11T17:17:50 < zyp> and regarding debug, if you want to do that over the same link, I suggest dedicating a payload type to debug messages
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2016-03-11T17:24:23 < MightyPork> that was mostly a side note - "you can do this if you have to"
2016-03-11T17:24:40 < MightyPork> what I'm concerned about is the master/slave arbitration mostly
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2016-03-11T17:25:00 < MightyPork> it looks pretty clumsy and unreliable
2016-03-11T17:25:47 < MightyPork> I need a way to avoid both sides using the same "session ID", that's what it's all about
2016-03-11T17:27:57 < fenugrec> does anyone know of a switchmode IC similar to TL494 (i.e. with error amp inputs & feedback loop routed to pins), that can go higher than 300kHz ?
2016-03-11T17:28:50 < fenugrec> that isn't a 10$ LT** IC P-)
2016-03-11T17:31:05 < lorenzo> LT pricing is something to watch out for
2016-03-11T17:31:15 < lorenzo> I got used to one of their DACs that I had sampled
2016-03-11T17:31:27 < lorenzo> too late when I realized the 1k price was $10.20 per unit
2016-03-11T17:31:28 < lorenzo> :D
2016-03-11T17:31:28 < fenugrec> crt sounds about right. I want to test a SEPIC topology with some extra stuff in the FB loop
2016-03-11T17:31:38 < fenugrec> hahah
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2016-03-11T17:36:30 < fenugrec> crt I'm new to SEPICs, but from what I gather I need complementary outputs for the 2 switches, and the generic buck/boost/sepic controllers don't give me access to their error amp, they use their internal 1.2V or so bandgap ref
2016-03-11T17:37:07 < fenugrec> TL494 seemed like just the ticket, being basically just building blocks, but I'd like to go a bit higher than 300kHz
2016-03-11T17:39:36 < fenugrec> crt right. I was confusing buck-boost converters, but I need non-inverting output, so SEPIC
2016-03-11T17:40:29 < fenugrec> and this app note with "inverse SEPIC" that uses 2 switches. Anyway. Power density ?
2016-03-11T17:42:02 < fenugrec> I : 8 - 28; O : 3.3 - 24; Iout = 150mA, efficiency : anything under <1W losses will be fine. My alternate plan is a stepped boost (7/14/21/28Vo) + linear stage.
2016-03-11T17:42:24 < fenugrec> 24 @ 0.15 = 3.6W, not huge
2016-03-11T17:45:54 < fenugrec> input is 1, or 2 (series), 12V SLA batteries (I guess the real lower limit is more like ~ 11V). Output is a "programmable "programming" voltage" requirement
2016-03-11T17:46:30 < Getty> "oh no, we cut the cubes wrong! now we must throw it all away!" "nah! be cool, we just sell it as iphone product" http://www.amazon.de/Bluetooth-Lautsprecher-Pechon-Mini-LED-Licht-Freisprechen/dp/B017BFD8AA/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&qid=1457711130&sr=8-33&keywords=led+bluetooth+speaker
2016-03-11T17:46:58 < fenugrec> yes
2016-03-11T17:48:02 < fenugrec> crt it's a "thing" for reflashing automotive ECUs.
2016-03-11T17:50:21 < fenugrec> crt of course I could split it in a simple fixed boost to 28V + buck for final target, but I wanted to try a single-IC solution. Hence, I thought of TL494s
2016-03-11T17:51:22 < fenugrec> crt so, do you think I'm way off with a SEPIC ?
2016-03-11T17:53:08 < fenugrec> yeah probably. Or some weird trigger to make sure only "authorized devices" are used, etc
2016-03-11T17:53:29 < fenugrec> pretty sure nothing there will ever draw 150mA, but meh, it's the spec I'd like to meet.
2016-03-11T17:54:23 < fenugrec> ethyl ?
2016-03-11T17:55:45 < fenugrec> Note, with SEPIC I'd probably be using coupled inductors, and from there it's only a sort step for a transformer-based topo
2016-03-11T17:55:51 < fenugrec> *short
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2016-03-11T17:57:35 < fenugrec> what ? parts-count wise... IC + switch + transfo + D
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2016-03-11T18:00:06 < fenugrec> crt SAE J2534 passthru device. I'm implementing a J2534 device. The user / mfg software implements the protocol, and may require the device to route Vprog to whatever pin.
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2016-03-11T18:00:53 < fenugrec> PS, I *am* writing some code to reflash a certain type of ECU, but the typical use case is using manufacturer-provided software.
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2016-03-11T18:01:03 < fenugrec> It uses the ECU's Vbat
2016-03-11T18:01:14 < fenugrec> hence 12/24V in. Some vehicles might have 24V busses.
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2016-03-11T18:03:04 < fenugrec> not sure how common 24V is TBH, but maybe light trucks ? I dunno. For the sake of discussion - suppose I limit myself to 11-16V input... I still want to be able to generate 24V
2016-03-11T18:03:35 < fenugrec> so I *still* need to produce an output higher or lower than Vbat.
2016-03-11T18:05:04 < fenugrec> (fwiw, I *am* writing code to reflash a certain type of ECU by duplicating some of the mfg's reprogramming sequence. Not quite done though)
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2016-03-11T18:08:52 < fenugrec> crt I'm not making this shit up. "VPP Specification - the diagnostic tester shall generate the VPP flash strobe voltage [...]  Nominal value 20V , current Idc min 100mA, stabilization time max 1ms". SAE J2610, I think some Chrysler ECUs have this.
2016-03-11T18:09:23 < fenugrec> actually I just looked that up, I had no idea of the 100mA figure there. I would've bet it was way lower
2016-03-11T18:11:14 < fenugrec> crt so, "silly" requirements notwithstanding, I'm interested to hear what you would do
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2016-03-11T19:11:51 < kakimir> I wonder if there is like a single part that could switch high side pmos off when min.15% 25khz 3v3 volt PWM stops
2016-03-11T19:12:32 < kakimir> so when fan pwm goes, fan actually goes too
2016-03-11T19:13:18 < jadew> why single part?
2016-03-11T19:13:32 < kakimir> idk.
2016-03-11T19:13:33 < fenugrec> bleh, TL494 isn't quite what I need either
2016-03-11T19:15:04 < jadew> kakimir, you can do it with a comparator and a low pass filter
2016-03-11T19:15:49 < jadew> unless you want it to be settable/exact
2016-03-11T19:16:51 < kakimir> hmm comparator :/
2016-03-11T19:17:00 < kakimir> that is true
2016-03-11T19:17:52 < kakimir> I thought something like diode resistor cap signal nmos pmos resistor
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2016-03-11T19:18:07 < kakimir> but it works only when duty 0%
2016-03-11T19:23:50 < jadew> with a nmos driving a pmos, you can use positive feedback from the pmos to the nmos gate to fully turn it on
2016-03-11T19:24:16 < jadew> it would be like a comparator, but with poorer specs
2016-03-11T19:24:46 < jadew> I don't think it will occupy less space tho
2016-03-11T19:24:57 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-11T19:24:58 < kakimir> interesting
2016-03-11T19:25:04 < jadew> so LPF => NMOS => PMOS => positive feedback to the NMOS
2016-03-11T19:25:12 < jadew> so once it's triggered, it stays on
2016-03-11T19:25:29 < jadew> pretty sure this sort of circuit has a name, but I don't know it
2016-03-11T19:25:31 < kakimir> that needs fine tuning
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2016-03-11T19:25:51 < jadew> yeah, but in the same way comparator will need fine tuning
2016-03-11T19:26:00 < jadew> it's just an alternative
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2016-03-11T19:28:58 < kakimir> like Schmitt trigger but
2016-03-11T19:29:33 < jadew> well, a schmitt trigger goes the other way too :P
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2016-03-11T19:29:40 < jadew> this is just... trigger
2016-03-11T19:30:05 < kakimir> it has to go both ways
2016-03-11T19:30:26 < jadew> ah, you want it to reset itself?
2016-03-11T19:30:54 < kakimir> sure.. fan may go on and off all the time
2016-03-11T19:31:37 < jadew> ah, I thought you want to make sure the duty cycle doesn't go above 15%
2016-03-11T19:31:49 < kakimir> 15% is the min
2016-03-11T19:32:07 < jadew> you want the fan off at less than 15% and on above that
2016-03-11T19:32:15 < jadew> then yeah, schmitt trigger
2016-03-11T19:32:17 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-11T19:32:19 < jadew> and LPF
2016-03-11T19:32:26 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-11T19:32:29 < jadew> or you can do it with a MCU and compute the duty cycle
2016-03-11T19:32:34 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-11T19:32:40 < jadew> or if you have control over the thing generating the PWM, do it there :P
2016-03-11T19:32:41 < kakimir> I think I need to change mcu
2016-03-11T19:32:59 < kakimir> ppl started moaning it needs can and ethernet
2016-03-11T19:33:13 < kakimir> and I'm all out of io
2016-03-11T19:33:28 < jadew> what is it?
2016-03-11T19:34:21 < kakimir> the most generic high power led driver
2016-03-11T19:34:54 < jadew> got it
2016-03-11T19:35:30 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKel9SOXdQeGhhR0k/view?usp=sharing
2016-03-11T19:36:02 < kakimir> plenty of room for bigger mcu and ethernet magnetics?
2016-03-11T19:36:03 < jadew> you forgot some parts :P
2016-03-11T19:36:33 < jadew> looks very neat
2016-03-11T19:36:44 < kakimir> it has to have more connectivity!
2016-03-11T19:46:41 < kakimir> I also want to control buck and monitor it's current
2016-03-11T19:46:47 < kakimir> which I have no pins for atm
2016-03-11T19:47:24 < kakimir> it just turns off at UVLO or when 5volt line from driver turns off
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2016-03-11T19:49:53 < Laurenceb_> researchers used online and telephone surveys to ask 1,040 Quebec residents, aged 16 to 64, about their sexual desires and behaviours. Nearly half the respondents reported a desire to experience at least one paraphilic behaviour and around a third of them had engaged in a paraphilic behaviour at least once
2016-03-11T19:50:03 < Laurenceb_> canuck
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2016-03-11T19:53:09 < englishman> more like
2016-03-11T19:53:21 < englishman> everywhere else is just so repressed
2016-03-11T19:53:44 < kakimir> being cannuck is being the best?
2016-03-11T19:54:02 < englishman> i rhyme in the morning, before i get dressed
2016-03-11T19:54:20 < englishman> to be in a country with sexual freedom i am blessed
2016-03-11T19:55:44 < kakimir> I need some very small ethernet transformer
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2016-03-11T19:57:01 < kakimir> I still have waterproofed ethernets connector frame somewhere
2016-03-11T19:57:05 < kakimir> or splashproofed
2016-03-11T19:57:18 < kakimir> it cost honey at local store
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2016-03-11T20:00:45 < Laurenceb_> britain http://imgur.com/QXsgR1f
2016-03-11T20:01:42 < kakimir> is there any gain using 10M ethernet instead of 100M
2016-03-11T20:02:06 < jadew> Laurenceb_, that's not her, is it?
2016-03-11T20:02:17 < Steffanx> kakimir, please dont ask questions like that.
2016-03-11T20:02:28 < Steffanx> *beakimir
2016-03-11T20:02:35 < Laurenceb_> jadew: yes
2016-03-11T20:03:13 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: is 100 greater than 10?
2016-03-11T20:03:24 < Laurenceb_> what is 2 plus 2?
2016-03-11T20:04:28 < kakimir> I mean in parts and software and communication
2016-03-11T20:04:51 < kakimir> when no high speed is required
2016-03-11T20:05:00 < jadew> probably cheaper
2016-03-11T20:05:07 < jadew> and may consume less power
2016-03-11T20:05:13 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-11T20:05:41 < kakimir> how about noise immunity and distance?
2016-03-11T20:06:22 < jadew> 100 Mbps ethernet should be able to negociate lower speeds
2016-03-11T20:06:41 < kakimir> is 10M future proof?
2016-03-11T20:06:46 < jadew> of course
2016-03-11T20:07:16 < jadew> pretty sure you won't find an IC that does 100 but doesn't do 10
2016-03-11T20:07:23 < Steffanx> Go en28j60
2016-03-11T20:07:25 < Steffanx> *enc
2016-03-11T20:09:38 < kakimir> looks big dummy
2016-03-11T20:09:46 < kakimir> huge
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2016-03-11T21:16:21 < kakimir> any recommends for level upping from absolute low end mcu to ethernet one that is still low end?
2016-03-11T21:16:35 < kakimir> absolute low end = lpc1111
2016-03-11T21:17:07 < kakimir> and 33pin pack to 48pin or so
2016-03-11T21:17:26 < lorenzo> kakimir: lpc1768 has Ethernet iirc
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2016-03-11T21:18:57 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-11T21:19:12 < kakimir> I would like to try to avoid it
2016-03-11T21:19:18 < kakimir> it's cheap
2016-03-11T21:19:19 < kakimir> but
2016-03-11T21:19:22 < kakimir> it's drit
2016-03-11T21:19:23 < kakimir> dirt
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2016-03-11T21:19:56 < Lux> you can use all the joy of mbed then :P
2016-03-11T21:20:26 < kakimir> oh
2016-03-11T21:20:55 < Lux> iirc mbed os should also be out soon
2016-03-11T21:20:58 < kakimir> some dillo have bought actually pin compatible chip to my shelf
2016-03-11T21:21:11 < kakimir> lpc1764
2016-03-11T21:21:14 < Lux> stuff arm is busily working on
2016-03-11T21:21:28 < kakimir> and not only one but a pile
2016-03-11T21:22:17 < kakimir> using heavy drugs would be more inexpensive than being this hamster filling shelves with smas
2016-03-11T21:22:27 < kakimir> and lpcs
2016-03-11T21:23:52 < Lux> aren't smas like 10c a piece ?
2016-03-11T21:24:32 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-11T21:31:08 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/NXP/LPC1764FBD100551/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduhX%2fDYY38vlUG7TRQ1y6G3bx4Jdbl1ve1tnglUp1xxsvA%3d%3d
2016-03-11T21:31:24 < kakimir> lpc1111 is like.. 1eur
2016-03-11T21:31:58 < kakimir> oh.. 1.8eur
2016-03-11T21:36:01 < kakimir> some 64pin would do just great
2016-03-11T21:39:01 < lorenzo> Lux: smas?
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2016-03-11T21:40:08 < Lux> sma pcb connectors
2016-03-11T21:42:23 < lorenzo> ahh
2016-03-11T21:42:30 < kakimir> hard to have ethernet mcu without too much of stuff
2016-03-11T21:42:35 < kakimir> and pins
2016-03-11T21:42:41 < kakimir> and price
2016-03-11T21:42:51 < lorenzo> kakimir: there's wiznet w7500
2016-03-11T21:43:22 < lorenzo> 2.08$ 1ku
2016-03-11T21:43:35 < lorenzo> m0
2016-03-11T21:44:33 < kakimir> no thanks
2016-03-11T21:46:08 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/tHE4gmn
2016-03-11T21:46:12 < Laurenceb_> how EU formed
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2016-03-11T21:49:21 < kakimir> how you like EU Laurenceb_ ?
2016-03-11T21:50:04 < Laurenceb_> probably voting for leave
2016-03-11T21:50:06 < Laurenceb_> just to troll
2016-03-11T21:50:46 < kakimir> it's like it would matter
2016-03-11T21:51:05 < kakimir> uk economy is doomed
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2016-03-11T21:55:54 < MightyPork> got a new version of my USART data protocol - https://github.com/MightyPork/sbmp
2016-03-11T21:56:07 < MightyPork> you can look if you spot anything obviously stupid ;-)
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2016-03-11T22:05:13 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/gRhmEsh
2016-03-11T22:08:50 < kakimir> MightyPork: why should the protocol be used?
2016-03-11T22:10:39 < MightyPork> well *I* will use it
2016-03-11T22:11:00 < MightyPork> but when it's fully fleshed out and some lib for it exists, I think it could be fairly useful
2016-03-11T22:21:20 < Mikk36> How do I go about figuring out why my STM32F103RB is hanging if it just stops executing the code and if I halt the execution with a debugger after it stops "working", it halts at this?
2016-03-11T22:21:21 < Mikk36> https://github.com/mbedmicro/mbed/blob/master/libraries/mbed/common/ticker_api.c#L70
2016-03-11T22:21:25 < Mikk36> https://github.com/mbedmicro/mbed/blob/master/libraries/mbed/common/ticker_api.c#L70
2016-03-11T22:21:35 < Mikk36> err
2016-03-11T22:21:39 < Mikk36> https://gist.github.com/Mikk36/ae77de175a4d2d3679b6
2016-03-11T22:22:11 < Mikk36> This gist is put to the log of debugger when I hit the "Stop debugger" button
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2016-03-11T22:37:54 < MightyPork> ugh mbed
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2016-03-11T22:51:48 < Mikk36> Well, it seemed the easiest for me to grasp with little to no C/C++ experience
2016-03-11T22:52:44 < Mikk36> What I can't figure out though is that sometimes it works for hours/days, sometimes it stops executing in a minute
2016-03-11T22:53:46 < Mikk36> Same thing now, got the previous hang in a few minutes, after a reset command it's been running for over 30 minutes now
2016-03-11T22:56:47 < kakimir> MightyPork: you should look at canbus?
2016-03-11T22:58:10 < MightyPork> is canbus something else than CAN? Because I am building a layer on top of USART
2016-03-11T22:58:22 < MightyPork> kakimir: ^
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2016-03-11T22:59:44 < kakimir> can = canbus
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2016-03-11T23:08:44 < kakimir> how quickly software can be cloned if the chip is not tampering proof?
2016-03-11T23:08:52 < kakimir> or easily
2016-03-11T23:09:42 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/NXP-Semiconductors/LPC1758FBD80551 found 80pin ethernet chip
2016-03-11T23:13:29 < kakimir> I think it's absolute maximum number of pins..
2016-03-11T23:17:41 < jpa-> kakimir: "tampering proof" is not a boolean value.. and if it was, the answer would be "as quickly as you can connect a programmer"?
2016-03-11T23:21:53 < kakimir> i mean if you put software in some cortex chip
2016-03-11T23:21:58 < kakimir> lock it down
2016-03-11T23:22:21 < kakimir> does it make difference to chinese to get that software out?
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2016-03-11T23:22:56 < jpa-> eh
2016-03-11T23:23:09 < jpa-> "some cortex chip" does not afford a specific answer
2016-03-11T23:23:14 < jpa-> neither does "lock it down"
2016-03-11T23:23:45 < jpa-> and least of all does "to chinese", as if they are a single bunch of people with the same skill level
2016-03-11T23:25:07 < jpa-> but why would any chinese dude want to clone your software anyway, when they can just write better?
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2016-03-11T23:27:58 < kakimir> true
2016-03-11T23:28:18 < kakimir> if it's single piece of software why not
2016-03-11T23:36:43 < emeb> anyone here have experience with ILI9341 LCD controllers?
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2016-03-11T23:40:22 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/DhS0wPN
2016-03-11T23:45:11 < Steffanx> Tectu The Display Man, your halp is required.
2016-03-11T23:46:12 < Tectu> emeb, I do
2016-03-11T23:48:15 < emeb> Tectu: thought you would. :)
2016-03-11T23:48:57 < emeb> Tectu: question - is there a 64k limit on the number of SPI bytes that can be sent to the ILI9341 for a given CS assertion?
2016-03-11T23:49:25 < emeb> Seems like if I send more than that it just ignores them
2016-03-11T23:50:46 < Tectu> emeb, I can't remember anything like that about the ILI9341. Never had an issue like that with that chip. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist
2016-03-11T23:51:15 < Tectu> emeb, the uGFX driver doesn't handle that case and as that driver is pretty well tested and nobody ever reported an issue like that I don't think that it exists
2016-03-11T23:52:28 < emeb> Tectu: thanks. Looking at some of the other drivers out there I don't see that either. But my hardware says otherwise.
2016-03-11T23:53:09 < Tectu> emeb, did you check revision specific erratas or something? Also, are you 100% sure that the issue is not on the microcontroller side?
2016-03-11T23:53:52 < emeb> Tectu: haven't checked revisions yet, and not 100% sure it's not a bug in my code. Just exploring...
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2016-03-12T00:29:26 < emeb> Tectu: found a bug - all good now.
2016-03-12T00:29:36  * emeb keeps on derpin'
2016-03-12T00:30:09 < Tectu> emeb, great! :)
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2016-03-12T00:32:26 < emeb> Tectu: I'm putting this together for a client who wants a 320x240 LCD on an STM32F746. I've got simple stuff working, but I suspect he's going to want a full blown gfx lib.
2016-03-12T00:33:04 < Tectu> emeb, may I recommend µGFX at this point?
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2016-03-12T00:33:20 < emeb> Tectu: Yes - I'm wondering if uGFX would be a good option for him. He's knows graphics but at a pretty high level.
2016-03-12T00:34:23 < Tectu> emeb, ugfx.org/features.html
2016-03-12T00:34:57 < Tectu> emeb, note that this is just a small excpert. ugfx has a ton of features, all of which are completely optional to make sure that the resulting code is small and fast
2016-03-12T00:35:23 < emeb> Tectu: good - I assume it's possible to strip it down to just the graphic stuff.
2016-03-12T00:35:59 < Tectu> emeb, no reason to strip it down. Everything is disabled by default :)
2016-03-12T00:36:14 < Tectu> emeb, there are different modules. one of which handles just the graphic part
2016-03-12T00:36:38 < Tectu> emeb, http://wiki.ugfx.org/index.php/Architecture
2016-03-12T00:36:43 < emeb> Tectu:  cool. I'll take a look and see if I can make sense of it.
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2016-03-12T00:37:00 < Tectu> emeb, this is the graphics module (called GDISP):  http://wiki.ugfx.org/index.php/GDISP
2016-03-12T00:37:43 < emeb> Tectu: the big issue is that this display would require ~153kB of RAM for a full backing store and that would be a show stopper.
2016-03-12T00:37:59 < emeb> so some sort of direct rendering would be a big help
2016-03-12T00:38:24 < emeb> (or at least smaller buffers)
2016-03-12T00:38:28 < Tectu> emeb, uGFX doesn't requier a framebuffer:  http://wiki.ugfx.org/index.php/Display_Driver_Model
2016-03-12T00:38:46 < Tectu> emeb, read that article. uGFX supports three different types of 'display drivers'
2016-03-12T00:38:58 < emeb> Tectu: cool - looking now
2016-03-12T00:40:17 < Tectu> emeb, the GDISP module provides an optional feature called 'pixmap'. Those are dynamic framebuffers. You can make a small framebuffer of any size to render some more intensive things into it and then just burst-write it to the display. That way you get the performance of a frame-buffer system while not requireing the entire memory for a real frame buffer
2016-03-12T00:40:35 < Tectu> emeb, http://wiki.ugfx.org/index.php/Pixmaps
2016-03-12T00:40:47 < emeb> Tectu: that makes sense - it was what I was considering.
2016-03-12T00:43:18 < Tectu> emeb, list of already-supported-stuff:  ugfx.org/platforms.html
2016-03-12T00:43:38 < Tectu> emeb, but of course it's very easy to add new drivers. The interface is quit easy yet flexible
2016-03-12T00:44:09 < emeb> I see the one I'm using is already there
2016-03-12T00:44:44 < Tectu> ILI9341 is quite common
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2016-03-12T00:45:29 < emeb> Tectu: thx - I'll point the client at your site and see what he thinks.
2016-03-12T00:45:54 < Tectu> emeb, thanks for referring. Very appreciated
2016-03-12T00:46:11 < Tectu> emeb, happy to answer any questions
2016-03-12T00:46:28 < emeb> Tectu: much appreciated
2016-03-12T00:47:25 < Tectu> emeb, note that you can directly connect a bare display panel to the STM32F746 without the need of any dedicated display controller like the ILI9431.
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2016-03-12T00:47:49 < Tectu> emeb, that way you can take advantage of the hardware acceleration offered by the LTDC/DMA2D peripherals in the MCU.
2016-03-12T00:48:18 < emeb> Tectu: Indeed - the platform we're using only has SPI and a few GPIO though, so we're stuck with the bottleneck.
2016-03-12T00:48:43 < Tectu> emeb, you might consider using a different display controller if performance is a concern.
2016-03-12T00:53:08 < kakimir> anyone recommend ethernet mcu under 100pins?
2016-03-12T00:53:55 < Tectu> kakimir, I think there are some STM32F2 models for that
2016-03-12T00:54:05 < Tectu> F207 if I remember does that
2016-03-12T00:54:10 < Tectu> not sure, really.
2016-03-12T00:54:43 < kakimir> could you technically utilize multiple of spi peripherals to act as RMII ?
2016-03-12T00:54:50 < kakimir> :
2016-03-12T00:54:55 < kakimir> :|
2016-03-12T00:54:59 < Tectu> o.O
2016-03-12T00:55:20 < ds2> aren't there small F107's?
2016-03-12T00:56:15 < kakimir> sweet
2016-03-12T00:56:17 < kakimir> there is
2016-03-12T00:56:56 < kakimir> 64pin
2016-03-12T01:00:57 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/STM32F107RBT6/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduhWlUF2EGqvyKnPOgy%2fqn%252bnPIv13ZWidP5OXDO9oVVUfw%3d%3d
2016-03-12T01:01:00 < kakimir> there it is
2016-03-12T01:01:28 < kakimir> inexpensive, small, ethernet enabled M3
2016-03-12T01:02:01 < Tectu> yeah, the F207 seems more expensive
2016-03-12T01:03:31 < kakimir> why can't it be this simple to have a part needed
2016-03-12T01:04:29 < kakimir> with nxp you pay overprice for rather old chip series and get more stuff and pins you need
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2016-03-12T01:07:14 < BrainDamage> why are you using nxp then
2016-03-12T01:08:36 < kakimir> not like I am using anything
2016-03-12T01:09:50 < kakimir> more receint series looks better and also the absolute low end
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2016-03-12T01:14:39 < kakimir> but with this chip I throw my vendor loyality out of window
2016-03-12T01:15:15 < kakimir> at least partially
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2016-03-12T02:42:57 < Sync_> both
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2016-03-12T03:07:35 < PeterM> crt, beer and bacon breakfast
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2016-03-12T03:14:43 < dongs> qyx: doing good, whats up? been thinking to spice it up a bit and dickstart
2016-03-12T03:15:19 < dongs> stick oled display on each port and show voltage+ current
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2016-03-12T03:16:07 < dongs> but im just powering it from my riglol supply so
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2016-03-12T03:43:14 < Laurenceb_> kakimir is a mong  http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-N.gif
2016-03-12T03:43:25 < Laurenceb_> everything is explained
2016-03-12T03:45:22 < dongs> is there any real difference in charging for li-ion and li-po
2016-03-12T03:47:38 < PeterM> li-po is li-ion, so no difference
2016-03-12T03:48:03 < dongs> still trying to find cheap switching chinacharger
2016-03-12T03:48:13 < dongs> anyone besides TI make popular charger management stuff?
2016-03-12T03:48:16 < PeterM> singe or multicell?
2016-03-12T03:48:19 < dongs> single cell
2016-03-12T03:48:25 < dongs> but like 50Wh
2016-03-12T03:48:30 < PeterM> sec
2016-03-12T03:48:35 < dongs> so needs to be switching and charge at like 1A at least would be nice
2016-03-12T03:48:50 < dongs> the dildo is pretty big, 24h charge time is lame
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2016-03-12T03:50:07 < PeterM> yeah
2016-03-12T03:54:32 < Laurenceb_> lul drama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOTEbEEwoJg
2016-03-12T03:55:31 < PeterM> mp2617
2016-03-12T03:55:35 < PeterM> dingle
2016-03-12T03:56:26 < PeterM> dongs even
2016-03-12T03:56:46 < dongs> o lets see
2016-03-12T03:56:49 < dongs> sounds like MPS
2016-03-12T03:57:27 < PeterM> it is
2016-03-12T03:57:49 < dongs> aww, fuck. input voltage is a bit lame, but I'll ahve to do with 12V brick i guess
2016-03-12T03:58:08 < dongs> looks good otherwise
2016-03-12T03:58:15 < PeterM> china has them cheap too iirc
2016-03-12T03:58:18 < dongs> right
2016-03-12T03:58:20 < dongs> it seems so
2016-03-12T03:58:40 < dongs> why the shit is it more efficient at 5Vin
2016-03-12T03:59:04 < PeterM> pretty much always with any dcdc the closer vin to vout hte more efficient
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2016-03-12T03:59:38 < Laurenceb_> sup http://imgur.com/G6A6lho
2016-03-12T03:59:45 < PeterM> in the case of buck, the peak currents arent as high or something
2016-03-12T04:00:33 < PeterM> dongs whats wrong with 12v charger for dildo, should reduce 24 hour charge to  like 3.5 or somehting
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2016-03-12T04:03:33 < dongs> ya
2016-03-12T04:03:38 < dongs> well i was gonna use 19V laptop brick
2016-03-12T04:03:41 < dongs> like 90W shit or whatever
2016-03-12T04:03:43 < dongs> but yeah this will do
2016-03-12T04:04:10 < dongs> just that you can buy those 19V laptop shits anywehre
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2016-03-12T04:04:35 < PeterM> sif you cant buy 12v pwoer bricks everywhere too
2016-03-12T04:04:41 < PeterM> but yes, agree
2016-03-12T04:05:16 < dongs> how does sys load work? is that regulated 5V regardless of input?
2016-03-12T04:06:27 < dongs> hm the other typical circuit has that shorted to bat
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2016-03-12T04:08:24 < dongs> * Tiny Package Features Small Size.
2016-03-12T04:08:29 < PeterM> syws is regulated to 4.2v, or batt voltage
2016-03-12T04:08:43 < PeterM> it is pretty small tbh
2016-03-12T04:08:58 < PeterM> for integrated fets etc
2016-03-12T04:09:18 < dongs> if its just vbat why does sysfb even exist to be able to set it?
2016-03-12T04:09:42 < PeterM> because when you disconnect the batt from sys you need way to measure sys
2016-03-12T04:09:53 < dongs> battery is permanently attached here tho
2016-03-12T04:10:09 < PeterM> i thoguht there was internal fet
2016-03-12T04:10:27 < dongs> there is, the usual power path pair of fets thats external in all other TI shit i looked at
2016-03-12T04:10:38 < dongs> they're inside on this one which is great
2016-03-12T04:11:05 < PeterM> also hwos the 1.5meggahurt switching freq
2016-03-12T04:11:12 < dongs> anyway, ok so my sys voltage is basically the battery charging voltage or the battery voltage when its not charging
2016-03-12T04:11:16 < dongs> yeah thats great
2016-03-12T04:12:33 < dongs> looks like i can just leave sysfb floating
2016-03-12T04:12:36 < dongs> and save 2 resistors
2016-03-12T04:12:41 < PeterM> noice
2016-03-12T04:12:58 < dongs> SYS DC-DC regulator output to power the system load and charge the battery.
2016-03-12T04:13:05 < dongs> yeah so basically it'll be either charge voltage or battery volrage.
2016-03-12T04:13:14 < dongs> which will be somewhere <= 4.2V or wahtnot
2016-03-12T04:13:14 < dongs> kk
2016-03-12T04:13:21 < dongs> looks good enough
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2016-03-12T04:19:50 < dongs> http://12.192.228.62/DesktopModules/DocumentManage/API/Document/GetDocument?id=1115
2016-03-12T04:19:56 < dongs> they still use a giant inductor
2016-03-12T04:20:04 < dongs> but yeah i guess, for 3A
2016-03-12T04:20:10 < dongs> at least its onyl 1.2UH
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2016-03-12T04:23:52 < dongs> oh wtf
2016-03-12T04:23:54 < PeterM> depending on your design perameters you'll probably want 4a saturation minimum
2016-03-12T04:24:05 < dongs> MPS has MP2617A / MP2617B on site
2016-03-12T04:24:10 < dongs> wiht *lower* input voltage
2016-03-12T04:24:11 < PeterM> yer
2016-03-12T04:24:18 < PeterM> 14v is fine though
2016-03-12T04:24:27 < PeterM> because thats what DS says
2016-03-12T04:24:27 < dongs> ya
2016-03-12T04:24:33 < dongs> oh never mind the non-A/B is also there too
2016-03-12T04:24:39 < dongs> i thought A/B was newer or somethign
2016-03-12T04:24:52 < dongs> didnt scroll down into parametrics enough
2016-03-12T04:25:39 < dongs> ya the WORST inductor they used is 4.8A
2016-03-12T04:25:52 < dongs> ill just clone somethin up from sunlord with similar specs
2016-03-12T04:26:20 < PeterM> hmm... dongs in datashet under applications,   *smart phone, * e-book, * GPS, *Portable Media Player, * Tablet PC, * Portable Hand Held solution -  is portable hand held solution code for dildo
2016-03-12T04:26:31 < dongs> haha
2016-03-12T04:26:37 < dongs> portable final solution
2016-03-12T04:26:47 < PeterM> portable last measure
2016-03-12T04:27:05 < Sync_> oh speaking of which dongs, do you have a chian cloner fab that does high power inductors?
2016-03-12T04:27:25 < dongs> sync, duno about "high power" but the sunlord stuff have a bunch of differnt stuffs
2016-03-12T04:27:30 < PeterM> shitlord electronics
2016-03-12T04:27:35 < Sync_> 3kW PFC inductors
2016-03-12T04:27:39 < Sync_> is what I need
2016-03-12T04:27:40 < dongs> ya no sorry
2016-03-12T04:27:42 < PeterM> iirc i loked and no high power stuff
2016-03-12T04:27:51 < PeterM> max is like 6A or something
2016-03-12T04:28:14 < dongs> http://www.sunlordinc.com/detail.aspx?cid=90261
2016-03-12T04:28:17 < PeterM> sync you want like 20a 100mH inductors or something?
2016-03-12T04:28:25 < dongs> 10A 3225 bead inductor
2016-03-12T04:28:49 < PeterM> whats the inductance? similar to that os a 3225 pcb trace...
2016-03-12T04:29:11 < dongs> heha yeah its just a filtering shit bead
2016-03-12T04:29:44 < Sync_> PeterM: more like 60A
2016-03-12T04:30:11 < PeterM> and probably more like 3.3mH or something
2016-03-12T04:30:22 < Sync_> nah
2016-03-12T04:30:28 < Sync_> like 88µH
2016-03-12T04:30:48 < PeterM> ahh, thats pretty achieveable then wiht some xbox hueg sendust cores
2016-03-12T04:30:53 < Sync_> too bad dongs, but thanks
2016-03-12T04:30:56 < Sync_> yes
2016-03-12T04:30:58 < Sync_> it is
2016-03-12T04:31:13 < Sync_> but I'd prefer a solution I can buy
2016-03-12T04:31:13 < Sync_> :D
2016-03-12T04:31:15 < dongs> http://www.sunlordinc.com/PDFCatalog.aspx#8 lol what the hell
2016-03-12T04:31:19 < dongs> why do they have PCB in the list there
2016-03-12T04:32:34 < PeterM> Sync_, how many do you need?
2016-03-12T04:32:48 < Sync_> like 10
2016-03-12T04:33:02 < PeterM> ahh, jsut buy some cores here http://www.aliexpress.com/store/407105 and wind em yourself
2016-03-12T04:33:19 < PeterM> they will wind em for you too but only for like 250+
2016-03-12T04:33:19 < dongs> SWPA4020S1R2NT nice clone of the WORST thing
2016-03-12T04:33:41 < Sync_> fucc that PeterM
2016-03-12T04:33:44 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/p6JkHu.png
2016-03-12T04:33:53 < Sync_> no round cores
2016-03-12T04:34:04 < PeterM> hahaha
2016-03-12T04:34:23 < Sync_> I'm not hating my life that much
2016-03-12T04:34:26 < PeterM> you want some pot cores
2016-03-12T04:34:49 < Sync_> and I'm really careful when it comes to china magnetics
2016-03-12T04:36:10 < Sync_> http://de.aliexpress.com/item/5kw-iron-silica-alumina-inductance-inverter-filter-inductor-pfc-inductor-coil/1574484772.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201602_2_505_506_503_504_10034_10020_502_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10006_10011_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201603_1&btsid=c1be577d-cc8a-466d-9caf-da68710a8d4e
2016-03-12T04:36:15 < Sync_> huh
2016-03-12T04:36:51 < dongs> spule
2016-03-12T04:37:09 < PeterM> whats that weight, like 0.8kg?
2016-03-12T04:37:24 < Sync_> it says 200g
2016-03-12T04:37:45 < PeterM> pssh, bare core would weigh almost that much
2016-03-12T04:37:50 < Sync_> I have no idea if they are bullshitting tho
2016-03-12T04:38:00 < Sync_> because the PM core I have is much larger than that
2016-03-12T04:38:10 < Sync_> but it is only N27 shiet
2016-03-12T04:38:16 < Sync_> and no sendust round core
2016-03-12T04:38:37 < PeterM> send em message
2016-03-12T04:39:07 < PeterM> be like can you give me dataheets for the core and tell me how many turns of what wire
2016-03-12T04:39:48 < Sync_> yeah
2016-03-12T04:41:16 < Sync_> yeah no fucking idea
2016-03-12T04:41:29 < Sync_> I'll get it working with my current core and then look for some ready stuff
2016-03-12T04:42:00 < PeterM> http://www.sendust.com/CS1625026.htm park your car in the middle of  that core
2016-03-12T04:43:24 < Sync_> that is a pretty serious core
2016-03-12T04:43:39 < Sync_> I love how they scanned the catalog
2016-03-12T04:43:45 < PeterM> yeah
2016-03-12T04:43:49 < dongs> for clonecores?
2016-03-12T04:44:15 < PeterM> i chuckle but you know what?? atleast the scanned the catalogue instead of nto givin any data
2016-03-12T04:44:35 < dongs> ARNOLD has a girly name in chiense
2016-03-12T04:44:52 < dongs> o thats not a name
2016-03-12T04:45:07 < Sync_> the problem is that you need to measure every fucking core :/
2016-03-12T04:45:24 < dongs> sync, how is that a problem? you wanna play but you dont wanna do anything
2016-03-12T04:45:26 < dongs> lazy cunt
2016-03-12T04:45:28 < Sync_> got bitten at $jerb with shitty chinacores
2016-03-12T04:46:00 < Sync_> nah, I just want to make it easy for people to replicate it
2016-03-12T04:47:13 < PeterM> 3kw pfc core... hmmm what is it you're  making?
2016-03-12T04:50:50 < Sync_> a 3kw pfc
2016-03-12T04:50:55 < Sync_> obv
2016-03-12T04:52:12 < PeterM> no fucking shit
2016-03-12T04:53:26 < PeterM> if i say i need a 1200mm x 1800mm steel frame capable of holding 3ton and someoen asks whats ti for i dont say " holding 3 ton" i say "for a trailer for me car"
2016-03-12T04:55:58 < dongs> TIL magnet in chinese and jap is same character
2016-03-12T04:55:58 < Sync_> I'm making a supply module for our servodrive
2016-03-12T04:56:06 < dongs> i wonder who stole from who!!
2016-03-12T04:56:34 < dongs> sync is developing new KUK robot arms
2016-03-12T04:56:35 < emeb_mac> china stole
2016-03-12T04:56:42 < emeb_mac> the steal everything
2016-03-12T04:57:02 < emeb_mac> poor intellectual property protections
2016-03-12T04:57:21 < PeterM> Sync_, ahh still that
2016-03-12T04:57:49 < Sync_> "still"
2016-03-12T04:58:05 < Sync_> well, it's not like it is going to go away really quick
2016-03-12T04:59:14 < PeterM> yeah, i understand that but it's not like the first time i heard you mention it was jsut yesterday
2016-03-12T05:00:08 < Sync_> it wasn't just yesterday
2016-03-12T05:00:19 < Sync_> I have not mentioned it here for a while
2016-03-12T05:00:30 < PeterM> i know, that is my point
2016-03-12T05:01:26 < PeterM> also, i mean no offense, i was jsut surprised you are still working on it, given it has been quite a while
2016-03-12T05:02:07 < Sync_> well, it is challenging on a few levels
2016-03-12T05:03:37 < Sync_> and the overall systems engineering requires a lot of shit
2016-03-12T05:03:46 < Sync_> tha is why I'm now designing a pfc
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2016-03-12T05:07:08 < Sync_> and it is not like I work on it daily
2016-03-12T05:08:23 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/yTPeDYo.jpg
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2016-03-12T05:35:11 < dongs> omg fuck chinks still using protel99 for stuff
2016-03-12T05:35:30 < dongs> when you import that trash to altidong all the pours and shit literally just become lines of stuff
2016-03-12T05:35:37 < dongs> so you cant edit it or anything just have ot redo all
2016-03-12T06:16:42 < englishman> haha, b&h photo online store is closed for the sabbath
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2016-03-12T06:22:32 < dongs> ya typical jewish activity
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2016-03-12T06:30:47 < englishman> is this typical jap soda https://goo.gl/photos/HU2rrPHrNGotUBtU8
2016-03-12T06:30:51 < englishman> there was a marble in it
2016-03-12T06:30:54 < englishman> pretty cool design
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2016-03-12T06:32:32 < dongs> thats lamune or watever
2016-03-12T06:32:39 < dongs> thats just how they sell that shit duno why
2016-03-12T06:32:58 < PeterM> englishman, i thought this was typical japanese soda https://i.warosu.org/data/ck/img/0045/04/1369350292435.jpg
2016-03-12T06:33:09 < englishman> oh nice
2016-03-12T06:33:24 < PeterM> iirc it isnt japanese but murican
2016-03-12T06:39:34 < dongs> loo
2016-03-12T06:40:01 < dongs> you can tell by the freedom units on the bottle
2016-03-12T06:40:05 < dongs> nobody in japan would use FL.Oz
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2016-03-12T07:06:52 < englishman> are you allowed to type your own irc chats on the sabbath, or do you have a goyim do it for you
2016-03-12T07:11:12 < PeterM> yeah, the copper wires mark the boundary of his house so he can freely use the internet to commune wiht others on the 7th day.
2016-03-12T07:12:33 < englishman> but surely typing is manual labour
2016-03-12T07:13:10 < englishman> maybe he has japspeak-recognition and turns it on before dusk
2016-03-12T07:13:59 < PeterM> cmon rolling your face isnt manual labour, whattre ya talking about
2016-03-12T07:15:13 < PeterM> http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-28-2015/MTW9aP.gif dongs typing
2016-03-12T07:26:55 < dongs> https://media.giphy.com/media/5xtDarnZQIF5fDsRjGg/giphy.gif i thought you'd link this
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2016-03-12T07:44:35 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/03ZMWS5.jpg
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2016-03-12T10:06:29 < dongs> 'sup freelancers
2016-03-12T10:06:53 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Build-Network-stack-bootstrap-code/
2016-03-12T10:06:56 < dongs> $3/hr
2016-03-12T10:11:18 < ReadError> can make more beating off on livejasmin
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2016-03-12T10:14:52 < dongs> non-bugging pour repour shit in 16.0.8 is surely great
2016-03-12T10:15:39 < dongs> i wish i knew how to get rid of the fucking pcb drc violations panel that comes up every fucking time i run drc
2016-03-12T10:15:49 < dongs> I already have the fucking html report why the fuck do I ened that paneL!?
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2016-03-12T10:45:21 < dongs> ugh
2016-03-12T10:45:30 < dongs> they still ahvent fixed that hole/slot shit
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2016-03-12T10:49:37 < jpa-> http://hackaday.com/2016/03/11/microchips-publishes-usb-mass-storage-loader/    such amazing technology, PICs have usb bootloader now.. wait no, it needs separate PIC for just running the bootloader
2016-03-12T10:50:25 < dongs> uh
2016-03-12T10:50:28 < dongs> didnt mbed do that shit
2016-03-12T10:50:32 < dongs> for literally years
2016-03-12T10:50:41 < dongs> THANKS, MICROSHIT!
2016-03-12T10:50:59 < jpa-> for example yeah, and mbed can also do it on one processor
2016-03-12T10:51:06 < dongs> right
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2016-03-12T11:23:17 < Mr_Sheesh> same on Atmel's AVR bootloaders
2016-03-12T11:24:06 < PeterM> Fat Pizza's Pizzas, they're big and they're cheesy, hello?
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2016-03-12T11:56:43 < dongs> such trash
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2016-03-12T12:16:24 < Steffanx> R2COM is her pimp?
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2016-03-12T12:23:27 < dongs> whats a simple 3D cad that can open/write .step that I can actually use
2016-03-12T12:23:50 < dongs> < 50meg  download and must be usable by poeple who have no idea
2016-03-12T12:24:07 < dongs> sketchup probly doesnt import/export step in free version eh
2016-03-12T12:24:56 < dongs> Open Source Ecology Summary: STEP->STL (FreeCAD) ->DAE (Blender) -> Sketchup  .
2016-03-12T12:24:59 < dongs> lmao.
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2016-03-12T12:27:20 < Steffanx> Welcome back crt
2016-03-12T12:27:28 < Steffanx> hows it pumpin'
2016-03-12T12:28:41 < Steffanx> yes that too
2016-03-12T12:31:05 < Steffanx> you better pay $80 then dongs.
2016-03-12T12:33:33 < dongs> for closed-sores sketchup?
2016-03-12T12:33:57 < Steffanx> closed sores plugin for sketchup. if free does plugins
2016-03-12T12:34:22 < dongs> chttp://www.sketchup.com/education/grants/higher-ed
2016-03-12T12:34:24 < dongs> http://www.sketchup.com/education/grants/higher-ed
2016-03-12T12:35:05 < dongs> do people even fucking make useful product information pages anymore?
2016-03-12T12:35:37 < dongs> lol its $700
2016-03-12T12:35:39 < dongs> fuck that.;
2016-03-12T12:35:53 < dongs> theres not a single page on that site that lists what formats it can open/export
2016-03-12T12:36:20 < Steffanx> buy trail.
2016-03-12T12:36:32 < dongs> nono
2016-03-12T12:36:34 < dongs> all i want to se is
2016-03-12T12:36:39 < dongs> a list of shit they can import/export
2016-03-12T12:36:44 < dongs> where's the fucking SPECIFICATIONS page
2016-03-12T12:36:51 < dongs> their entire site is a fucking joke
2016-03-12T12:37:01 < dongs> "go to our youtube channel to learn"
2016-03-12T12:37:03 < dongs> learn what?
2016-03-12T12:37:08 < dongs> how to waste hours watching dumb videos????????????????
2016-03-12T12:37:25 < Steffanx> Raging saturday?
2016-03-12T12:39:16 < dongs> http://help.sketchup.com/en/article/3000153
2016-03-12T12:39:59 < Steffanx> no luck.
2016-03-12T12:42:22 < dongs> just the fact that I had to spend 5 minutes to find this info
2016-03-12T12:42:29 < dongs> disqualifies this app from ever being useful
2016-03-12T12:42:41 < dongs> if you dont have this kinda shit on front page of whatever the fuck you're trying to sell, fuck off
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2016-03-12T12:55:05 < upgrdman> so im tempted to buy a new jacket or sweater. is there any awesome shit i should know about? like a jacket/backpack combo or someshit?
2016-03-12T12:55:18 < dongs> in china?
2016-03-12T12:55:22 < dongs> can you even get anything real t here
2016-03-12T12:55:28 < dongs> it'd be liek a clone jacket
2016-03-12T12:55:45 < upgrdman> no i was gonna buy when im back in the first world
2016-03-12T12:57:04 < upgrdman> actually in the area im at, theres a lot of legit shops, but funny thing is that few in china will pay for quality, so if i want quality it often costs MORE then in the usa
2016-03-12T12:57:24 < dongs> yeah, no doubt
2016-03-12T12:57:51 < upgrdman> like i was tempted to buy a 4k monitor here, but its all tn panels unless i want to overpay for some ips monitor
2016-03-12T12:58:35 < dongs> lol TN 4K
2016-03-12T12:58:42 < upgrdman> inorite
2016-03-12T13:06:24 < PeterM> crt
2016-03-12T13:06:25 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/fMOli7b.jpg
2016-03-12T13:08:09 < PeterM> jesus fuck crt that video is old
2016-03-12T13:08:23 < PeterM> i'll fite u irl m8, maccas carpark punchy, 10 mins
2016-03-12T13:08:29 < PeterM> nah jks
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2016-03-12T14:24:29 < kakimir> interestings Laurenceb
2016-03-12T14:27:31 < kakimir> is this information produced by and only by english?
2016-03-12T14:28:48 < kakimir> or english - swedish alliance
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2016-03-12T14:36:39 < PeterM> does anyone know the name of the extension/addon that automatically fills in account details on websites that require logins for things that shouldnt require logins?
2016-03-12T14:37:00 < ReadError> chrome does it for me
2016-03-12T14:37:15 < kakimir> it's called chrome
2016-03-12T14:37:26 < PeterM> ...
2016-03-12T14:37:32 < Steffanx> or do you mean that bugmenot stuff?
2016-03-12T14:37:33 < ReadError> you mean like the shared logins?
2016-03-12T14:37:36 < ReadError> ya that
2016-03-12T14:37:36 < PeterM> i dont mean YOUR account details
2016-03-12T14:37:42 < PeterM> Steffanx, thats the one
2016-03-12T14:37:51 < PeterM> kakimir, ReadError you're both fuckign idiots
2016-03-12T14:37:55 < Steffanx> too bad that doesnt work very well anymore
2016-03-12T14:38:12 < Steffanx> in my experience 99.9/100 no longer works
2016-03-12T14:38:26 < kakimir> are we talking of wallet of some kind?
2016-03-12T14:38:33 < ReadError> I know about bugmenot
2016-03-12T14:38:47 < ReadError> but your phrasing didnt really specify that
2016-03-12T14:39:04 < Steffanx> "that shouldnt require logins" <= yes it did
2016-03-12T14:39:28 < PeterM> ^
2016-03-12T14:42:44 < kakimir> you mean it fills some generic account and password and logs in?
2016-03-12T14:42:51 < ReadError> its shared shit
2016-03-12T14:42:58 < ReadError> but most the time it doesnt work
2016-03-12T14:43:35 < dongs> http://zeptobars.com/en/read/GD32F103CBT6-mcm-serial-flash-Giga-Devices sup CLONERS
2016-03-12T14:43:38 < kakimir> sounds very 2003
2016-03-12T14:43:41 < dongs> spoiler: it executes from sram
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2016-03-12T14:44:42 < PeterM> dongs bout fuckin time
2016-03-12T14:44:45 < ReadError> dongs from irc
2016-03-12T14:44:45 < dongs> ^_-
2016-03-12T14:47:23 < dongs> so, for > 128k devices, they must have soem smart pre-caching shit?
2016-03-12T14:47:28 < dongs> that sticks flash stuff into ram on-demand?
2016-03-12T14:47:50 < dongs> or I geuss I just need to send him some 3meg chips
2016-03-12T14:49:15 < kakimir> is that some stm32 clone something?
2016-03-12T14:49:24 < dongs> yes
2016-03-12T14:49:32 < kakimir> by naming scheme I would assume
2016-03-12T14:49:46 < kakimir> how much a piece?
2016-03-12T14:49:52 < dongs> cvheaper than stm32, obviosuly
2016-03-12T14:50:02 < dongs> or else would be pointless.
2016-03-12T14:51:23 < kakimir> but how much?
2016-03-12T14:51:33 < dongs> you cant afford it
2016-03-12T14:51:55 < kakimir> that might be true
2016-03-12T14:52:44 < dongs> R2COM: comment on chinaiclayout plz
2016-03-12T14:52:52 < dongs> looks like wasted space to me
2016-03-12T14:53:16 < dongs> also: which part is the cortex core?
2016-03-12T14:53:18 < dongs> isnt that shit really tiny
2016-03-12T14:53:22 < kakimir> dongs: is that sram mirror invisible to user?
2016-03-12T14:53:27 < dongs> correct
2016-03-12T14:53:53 < dongs> i guess thats how they claim "0 wait states" when executing from "flash" lol
2016-03-12T14:56:11 < Steffanx> R2COM is busy with his jasmine stuff i guess :P
2016-03-12T14:56:25 < Steffanx> -e
2016-03-12T14:57:41 < PeterM> R2COM, busy with live jizzmin
2016-03-12T14:58:51 < Tectu> stop porn
2016-03-12T14:59:39 < Steffanx> Stop the internet.
2016-03-12T15:00:28 < kakimir> is that china chip faster than original one?
2016-03-12T15:05:20 < kakimir> is this true?
2016-03-12T15:08:10 < qyx> anyone actually tried to break a nucleo board in two parts?
2016-03-12T15:08:19 < qyx> I mean removing the stlink part
2016-03-12T15:08:54 < kakimir> most propably has
2016-03-12T15:10:09 < qyx> pls
2016-03-12T15:11:48 < kakimir> I cut the programmer parts out of my lpcxpresso boards until I found you really don't have to
2016-03-12T15:11:55 < kakimir> or should
2016-03-12T15:16:19 < lorenzo> qyx: nah
2016-03-12T15:19:44 < kakimir> sun is heating god damn
2016-03-12T15:19:55 < kakimir> it's too hot in house
2016-03-12T15:20:19 < kakimir> propably over 22celsius!
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2016-03-12T15:21:48 < Tectu> snow cone
2016-03-12T15:23:24 < kakimir> I excite my body with lots of coffee
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2016-03-12T15:27:45 < Tectu> PS. Thanks for the chips go to dongs from irc.
2016-03-12T15:27:58 < Tectu> everybody loves dongs
2016-03-12T15:28:01 < dongs> ok who else gonna paste that line
2016-03-12T15:28:09 < dongs> PeterM: lol @ busy
2016-03-12T15:28:46 < dongs> isnt livejizzmin all fat american cunts that cant even be trolled
2016-03-12T15:28:59 < dongs> i remember in 2001-something we used to troll some camsite that used IRC as chat protocol
2016-03-12T15:29:08 < dongs> who was all staffed by some retarded flips
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2016-03-12T15:29:46 < dongs> their flash client ratelimited spam but if you spammed via irc it was nonstop lulz
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2016-03-12T15:31:39 < dongs> i wonder if RC boats are OK to do on ocean? or are they for like clean water only
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2016-03-12T15:33:24 < ReadError> salt water is fine
2016-03-12T15:33:38 < ReadError> just clean out the cooling tubes after
2016-03-12T15:33:53 < ReadError> thats how it keeps the esc/motor cooled
2016-03-12T15:34:00 < dongs> rite
2016-03-12T15:34:03 < dongs> hm
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2016-03-12T15:34:14 < dongs> i guess there's stuff so it doesnt just flood inside?
2016-03-12T15:34:25 < ReadError> its like a coil
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2016-03-12T15:34:37 < ReadError> think of watercooled pc
2016-03-12T15:34:44 < dongs> heh
2016-03-12T15:34:45 < ReadError> goes in 1 hole, out another
2016-03-12T15:36:57 < lorenzo> mh
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2016-03-12T15:53:23 < dongs> oh
2016-03-12T15:53:43 < dongs> large-flash size GD manual just says "no wait time within first 256K"
2016-03-12T15:53:57 < dongs> so bigger ones have 256k sram cache, and other stuff is fetched on -demand above.
2016-03-12T16:01:48 < ReadError> dongs when is your vaperape device coming out
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2016-03-12T16:04:27 < ReadError> loading mine up now
2016-03-12T16:04:52 < ReadError> gonna get super blitz'd then fire up altidumb and finish something
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2016-03-12T16:18:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/s5204W9.jpg
2016-03-12T16:19:31 < ReadError> put it in my mouth and pull the trigger to use?
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2016-03-12T16:32:50 < kakimir> I wonder what you need for the full set of MII pins in 64pin micro
2016-03-12T16:33:09 < kakimir> or even in F107 series but I don't know
2016-03-12T16:33:34 < kakimir> it's like 20pins total for ethernets
2016-03-12T16:33:39 < kakimir> or close
2016-03-12T16:34:50 < kakimir> 18
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2016-03-12T16:53:21 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/raCQQ195/IMG_1396.PNG
2016-03-12T16:53:28 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hZ8GJ6O2/IMG_1397.PNG
2016-03-12T16:53:32 < ReadError> le sigh
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2016-03-12T17:16:39 < Steffanx> After trump your most favourite yankees uh, ReadError?
2016-03-12T17:17:09 < ReadError> yea i have bought the 49.99 ingame credits very often
2016-03-12T17:18:33 < ReadError> i just find it hard to believe that 21k people played it, let alone wrote reviews
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2016-03-12T17:27:47 < englishman> dongs: nice, zeptobars came thru
2016-03-12T17:28:24 < Sync_> yep
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2016-03-12T17:33:00 < Sync_> hm
2016-03-12T17:33:09 < Sync_> the flash says philly
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2016-03-12T17:48:01 < kakimir> but what a piece of turd this 107Vx is.. they have stuffed all alternative functions in same pins with ethernets
2016-03-12T17:49:49 < kakimir> I try to figure if I get number of ADCs I used to have.. i2c connectivity seems to be lost
2016-03-12T17:52:53 < kakimir> no there is remap for it
2016-03-12T17:55:21 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lH2vuaN384
2016-03-12T17:55:26 < Laurenceb_> what /pol/ faps to
2016-03-12T17:55:41 < qyx> wat lost
2016-03-12T17:55:57 < qyx> I used 64pin F107 with ethernet and i2c
2016-03-12T17:56:08 < Laurenceb_> ooh thats niceish
2016-03-12T17:56:12 < Laurenceb_> small
2016-03-12T17:56:16 < kakimir> yes there is remap for i2c because of ethernets
2016-03-12T17:56:59 < qyx> ok, 2 day hobby project ongoing
2016-03-12T17:57:07 < qyx> 3 cup anemomenter with 411RE nucleo
2016-03-12T17:57:14 < qyx> -n
2016-03-12T17:57:20 < dongs> freelancin?
2016-03-12T17:57:33 < qyx> i need to find the right equation to convert rpm to wind speed without calibration
2016-03-12T17:58:04 < kakimir> hmm :]
2016-03-12T17:58:08 < qyx> no, checking if  wind generator is feasible
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2016-03-12T17:58:31 < dongs> qyx, take this job isntead https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Build-Network-stack-bootstrap-code/
2016-03-12T17:59:21 < qyx> Python programming required to setup Apache on controller
2016-03-12T17:59:23 < qyx> I don't get it
2016-03-12T17:59:35 < dongs> oh, never mind that
2016-03-12T17:59:40 < dongs> check how much that is in $ / hour
2016-03-12T17:59:51 < qyx> yep, 5e/hr
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2016-03-12T18:12:35 < kakimir> minimum wage here.. is more
2016-03-12T18:12:39 < kakimir> I think
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2016-03-12T18:23:05 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Microchip/KSZ8091RNAIA-TR/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduixafWWbmQBHAONfUc%2fMKaHR3Zk8tsuQGzsYn8VskSKqA%3d%3d check this piece
2016-03-12T18:23:16 < lorenzo> 5 eur / hour ?!
2016-03-12T18:23:31 < dongs> 5?
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2016-03-12T18:23:38 < dongs> 3 usd = 2.6eur
2016-03-12T18:23:47 < lorenzo> ah, so not even a big mac and a can of coke here
2016-03-12T18:23:47 < lorenzo> lol
2016-03-12T18:23:48 < qyx> 400 inr
2016-03-12T18:23:50 < kakimir> industrial temperature range, small size, 24pin, inexpensives
2016-03-12T18:23:56 < dongs> did he raise it?
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2016-03-12T18:24:11 < qyx> I don't know, I saw 100-400
2016-03-12T18:24:13 < dongs> o okay maybe i just saw average bid
2016-03-12T18:24:14 < dongs> lulz
2016-03-12T18:24:21 < dongs> which was $3 at the main listing
2016-03-12T18:24:25 < lorenzo> ah yeah average bid is 2.4 eur/hr
2016-03-12T18:24:26 < lorenzo> lol
2016-03-12T18:24:35 < qyx> yes
2016-03-12T18:24:37 < lorenzo> can buy chewing gums or half a pack of cigarettes
2016-03-12T18:24:38 < lorenzo> :>
2016-03-12T18:25:02 < dongs> looks like you're ready to paki for an hour
2016-03-12T18:25:19 < lorenzo>  Python programming required to setup Apache on controller.
2016-03-12T18:25:19 < lorenzo> .. what
2016-03-12T18:25:26 < lorenzo> qyx: me neither lol
2016-03-12T18:26:41 < lorenzo> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/card-code-for-atmaga/
2016-03-12T18:26:59 < dongs> it was all good
2016-03-12T18:27:01 < dongs> until .excel form
2016-03-12T18:27:09 < lorenzo> "data will store as .excel form "
2016-03-12T18:27:10 < lorenzo> eh yeah :D
2016-03-12T18:27:25 < lorenzo> how do you see projects on there?
2016-03-12T18:27:33 < lorenzo> looks like you need an account or something
2016-03-12T18:27:44 < dongs> ya man
2016-03-12T18:27:51 < dongs> feelancer is my new money making place
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2016-03-12T18:36:57 < artag> really ? I thouhgt it was your new source of endless amusement now zano's gone
2016-03-12T18:37:13 < artag> are there actually things worth doing there ?
2016-03-12T18:37:32 < dongs> does i tlook like it from teh shit i have been pasting?
2016-03-12T18:37:39 < artag> nope
2016-03-12T18:37:41 < dongs> :)
2016-03-12T18:37:58 < englishman> zanos legacy lives on
2016-03-12T18:38:48 < Laurenceb_> https://vimeo.com/110040719
2016-03-12T18:39:06 < Laurenceb_> hivemind confirmed
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2016-03-12T18:42:10 < artag> woo, creepy. it's like looking at someone talking to their reflection
2016-03-12T18:44:26 < artag> one of them needs a big H symbol on her forehead (red dwarf reference)
2016-03-12T18:49:32 < bvernoux> dongs, woo freelancer is amazing 20 to 30USD for a ful development ;)
2016-03-12T18:49:48 < dongs> ya
2016-03-12T18:49:53 < bvernoux> If there is serious guy which want to work for such small money I will give tons of projects
2016-03-12T18:50:04 < dongs> go for it
2016-03-12T18:50:11 < dongs> there's a ton of clueless pakis there
2016-03-12T18:50:17 < dongs> the problem is that they will just create useless shit
2016-03-12T18:50:18 < dongs> :)
2016-03-12T18:50:23 < bvernoux> yes it is the problem
2016-03-12T18:50:39 < dongs> like this one guy who keeps reposting 6 layer mobile phone layout project
2016-03-12T18:50:41 < bvernoux> anyway what do you want to ask for 20 to 30USD ...
2016-03-12T18:50:44 < dongs> for $250 budget
2016-03-12T18:50:58 < dongs> and at some point he posted the previous guys "design"
2016-03-12T18:51:04 < dongs> he used 1206 caps for all bypass caps
2016-03-12T18:51:10 < dongs> around like 800pin bga
2016-03-12T18:51:18 < bvernoux> glurps ;)
2016-03-12T18:51:24 < bvernoux> a total fail ;)
2016-03-12T18:52:06 < bvernoux> if some guys are ready to work on open source code on STM32 I can give free boards
2016-03-12T18:52:45 < dongs> people who are capable of working dont want free boards.
2016-03-12T18:52:51 < dongs> they can do them themselves.
2016-03-12T18:52:57 < dongs> free hardware *never* works.
2016-03-12T18:53:16 < dongs> https://twitter.com/reece_crowther?lang=en hey look reece crowther deleted all his t wats
2016-03-12T18:53:52 < bvernoux> yes I know but it is work for community
2016-03-12T18:57:51 < dongs> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/en/TC54 why the fuck would one use this?
2016-03-12T19:01:49 < dongs> why the hell are half of TI battery gauge shits include 'SHA1 authentication"
2016-03-12T19:01:51 < dongs> lol @ battery piraacy
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2016-03-12T19:14:22 < Tectu> bvernoux, how's that hydra thing?
2016-03-12T19:14:50 < bvernoux> Tectu, fine Balda have helped a lot by adding new features
2016-03-12T19:15:06 < Tectu> awesome!
2016-03-12T19:15:16 < bvernoux> Tectu, we are not far to totally replace a BusPirate with much more things
2016-03-12T19:15:34 < Tectu> sounds nice :)
2016-03-12T19:15:42 < bvernoux> main things missing was BBIO and now it exist thanks to Balda
2016-03-12T19:16:12 < bvernoux> with the power of STM32F4 there is lot of room to add tons of new mode/features ...
2016-03-12T19:16:13 < Tectu> glad to hear that your project is proceeding
2016-03-12T19:17:30 < bvernoux> main problem today is STm32F4 are too expensive
2016-03-12T19:17:59 < Tectu> err... did they become more expensive in the past two years?
2016-03-12T19:18:12 < Tectu> or are you just not having any other problems anymore? :P
2016-03-12T19:18:15 < bvernoux> in order to produce very cheap HW to have more people interested a bit like on RPI revolution
2016-03-12T19:18:24 < bvernoux> we are very far of that with STM32 embedded projects ...
2016-03-12T19:19:04 < Tectu> better slap bluetooth and a touchscreen on it. will sell itself.
2016-03-12T19:19:05 < bvernoux> Tectu, it is just crazy to ask 15USD for a poor STM32F405RGT
2016-03-12T19:19:13 < bvernoux> even today
2016-03-12T19:19:13 < Tectu> also engrave the word 'arduino' somewhere
2016-03-12T19:19:29 < bvernoux> yes it is the problem
2016-03-12T19:19:39 < bvernoux> today you shall write arduino or RPI to sell products ...
2016-03-12T19:20:08 < Tectu> µGFX become a lot more popular once it was able to run on arduino :P
2016-03-12T19:20:12 < jpa-> IIRC dongs sources stm32f4 under $10 :P
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2016-03-12T19:20:30 < bvernoux> jpa-, by 500 or 1kunits or more ?
2016-03-12T19:20:51 < Tectu> jpa- genuine ones?
2016-03-12T19:21:02 < bvernoux> yes from official reseller ;)
2016-03-12T19:21:03 < bvernoux> ?
2016-03-12T19:21:15 < bvernoux> GD32 are very agressive
2016-03-12T19:21:21 < bvernoux> STM32F1 clone
2016-03-12T19:21:26 < bvernoux> and now STM32F2 clone
2016-03-12T19:21:40 < bvernoux> and soon STM32F4 ... I think
2016-03-12T19:21:45 < lorenzo> worth even thinking about using it?
2016-03-12T19:21:47 < jpa-> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/stmicroelectronics/STM32F411RET6/497-14909-ND/4935722   some of them are relatively cheap anyway
2016-03-12T19:21:59 < bvernoux> 411 suxx
2016-03-12T19:22:02 < bvernoux> I want 405 ;)
2016-03-12T19:22:20 < jpa-> what's special about 405?
2016-03-12T19:22:30 < bvernoux> 2 time faster more Flash more RAM ...
2016-03-12T19:23:00 < jpa-> though isn't STM32F405RGT just $10?
2016-03-12T19:23:23 < Tectu> 405 is a 407 w/o ethernet, right?
2016-03-12T19:23:27 < bvernoux> even 10USD is insane
2016-03-12T19:23:41 < jpa-> eh
2016-03-12T19:23:48 < bvernoux> compared to what there is on market with CorteA multi core
2016-03-12T19:23:59 < Tectu> there's not only a lot of development but also logistics and all other sorts of stuff behind making something like an STM32 microcontroller available to you, bvernoux
2016-03-12T19:24:14 < bvernoux> what we have on embedded side just an old CortexM4 or M7 ultra expensive
2016-03-12T19:24:31 < bvernoux> when on mobile/tablet they have 5 to 10USD chipset !!
2016-03-12T19:24:37 < bvernoux> with 4 x A53
2016-03-12T19:24:40 < jpa-> they have bigger volumes for mobile/tablet
2016-03-12T19:24:43 < Tectu> yep
2016-03-12T19:24:51 < jpa-> try to buy that chipset for $10 in your quantities
2016-03-12T19:25:06 < jpa-> you can get your STM32F405 much cheaper also once you get to >100k quantities
2016-03-12T19:25:07 < Tectu> most likely you won't even be able to purchase one - forget about the price
2016-03-12T19:25:15 < bvernoux> the problem is we are soo far behind with our MCU :(
2016-03-12T19:25:27 < Tectu> jpa-, do you have some real-world numbers for STM32 in >100k quantities? (just curious)
2016-03-12T19:25:29 < bvernoux> i want faster MCU with more features
2016-03-12T19:25:33 < jpa-> Tectu: nope
2016-03-12T19:26:07 < bvernoux> jpa-, 100kunits ;)
2016-03-12T19:26:19 < bvernoux> jsut fo fun check LPC4370 price
2016-03-12T19:26:22 < Tectu> bvernoux, you can't compare a microcontroller with a SoC used in tablets
2016-03-12T19:26:22 < bvernoux> vs STM32F4
2016-03-12T19:26:25 < jpa-> Tectu: but STM32F405RGT6 is just $7.50 at 1k, so probably drops even further
2016-03-12T19:26:31 < bvernoux> 4 times cheaper 10x better
2016-03-12T19:26:40 < bvernoux> except I prefer STM32 peripherals
2016-03-12T19:26:44 < Tectu> jpa-, yeah. I was just always wondering how low one can drop the price
2016-03-12T19:26:47 < jpa-> so not actually better :)
2016-03-12T19:26:55 < Tectu> bvernoux, you can't compare that.
2016-03-12T19:27:11 < jpa-> bvernoux: it seems to be the same price on digikey, where can you get it for $2.50?
2016-03-12T19:27:34 < bvernoux> Tectu, I cannot compare LPC4370 vs STM32F4 or even F7 ?
2016-03-12T19:28:12 < Tectu> bvernoux, ah sorry, I thought you were still comparing an STM32 with a tablet SoC
2016-03-12T19:28:14 < bvernoux> anyway LPC4370 have not changed since more than 3years !!
2016-03-12T19:28:29 < jpa-> bvernoux: where can you get LPC4370 for $2.50?
2016-03-12T19:28:36 < bvernoux> it is why I'm disappointed by embedded world which is slow ...
2016-03-12T19:28:51 < jpa-> why would a chip change after it is published?
2016-03-12T19:29:20 < Tectu> bvernoux, trust me, nobody is holding back there. It's not like ST could make a 10x faster and 4x cheaper STM32 and just don't because they don't feel like it.
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2016-03-12T19:35:40 < bvernoux> jpa-, I speak about new chip version multicore ;)
2016-03-12T19:35:51 < jpa-> ?
2016-03-12T19:35:54 < jpa-> show me a link
2016-03-12T19:35:57 < bvernoux> jpa-, I will be happy with dual core M7 @400MHz 28nm ;)
2016-03-12T19:36:26 < bvernoux> jpa-, LPC4370 is an example with 3 core even if it is a bit old and will need a refresh
2016-03-12T19:36:49 < bvernoux> anyway risc-v seems amazing for the future
2016-03-12T19:36:52 < jpa-> and costs as much as stm32f4 anyway, with worse adc etc.
2016-03-12T19:37:10 < bvernoux> jpa-, worse adc ? it has 80MHz 12bits ADC
2016-03-12T19:37:21 < bvernoux> it kill them all
2016-03-12T19:37:28 < bvernoux> and HS USB !!
2016-03-12T19:37:48 < jpa-> bvernoux: LPC4370? show me a link to 80MHz 12 bits ADC
2016-03-12T19:37:51 < bvernoux> 1 HS USB and another one HS with ULPI
2016-03-12T19:37:58 < jpa-> the datasheet says 10-bit 400kSps
2016-03-12T19:38:13 < bvernoux> pff
2016-03-12T19:38:21 < jpa-> ah there
2016-03-12T19:38:22 < bvernoux> check LPC4370
2016-03-12T19:38:23 < jpa-> interesting
2016-03-12T19:38:34 < jpa-> hadn't noticed that one before
2016-03-12T19:38:40 < bvernoux> One 6-channel, 12-bit high-speed ADC (ADCHS) with DMA support and a data
2016-03-12T19:38:40 < bvernoux> conversion rate of 80 MSamples/s
2016-03-12T19:38:44 < bvernoux> http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/LPC4370.pdf
2016-03-12T19:38:53 < bvernoux> I use it in airspy so I know it
2016-03-12T19:38:53 < lorenzo> oh I have a lpc4370 :D
2016-03-12T19:38:58 < lorenzo> never found a use for it
2016-03-12T19:39:13 < bvernoux> even if it runs at 20MHz because the problem is USB HS is too slow ;)
2016-03-12T19:39:18 < Tectu> I think I have an LPC4370 dev-board somewhere lying in a board
2016-03-12T19:39:20 < lorenzo> the development environment was horrendous back then
2016-03-12T19:39:29 < lorenzo> their lpcxpresso crap
2016-03-12T19:39:39 < lorenzo> with 32KB code limit, not sure if they pulled that or not
2016-03-12T19:39:39 < Tectu> oh, now I remember why I haven't used it ^
2016-03-12T19:39:45 < bvernoux> yes lpcxpresso is crap it is why i use GCC ARM bare metal
2016-03-12T19:39:57 < lorenzo> the only LPC chip I still have in use is a LPC11U35
2016-03-12T19:39:59 < bvernoux> and lpcxpresso only to debug things with JTAG for special things
2016-03-12T19:40:02 < jpa-> why'd you use any vendor dev enveronment anyway?
2016-03-12T19:40:26 < lorenzo> jpa-: I like having some examples and a little bit of guidance when starting out with a new micro
2016-03-12T19:40:40 < lorenzo> 3-4 years ago the doc out there for LPC chips was terrible
2016-03-12T19:40:48 < lorenzo> maybe that changed, maybe not
2016-03-12T19:41:20 < bvernoux> anyway it is not for hobby project
2016-03-12T19:41:28 < bvernoux> with BGA FET100 or FET256 only
2016-03-12T19:41:37 < bvernoux> not for arduino guys ;)
2016-03-12T19:41:47 < Tectu> when I remember correctly you are an arduino guy.
2016-03-12T19:41:53 < lorenzo> don't be so elitist
2016-03-12T19:42:05 < bvernoux> arduino is very good to learn things
2016-03-12T19:42:05 < Tectu> elitist - new word to look up in the dictionary - brb
2016-03-12T19:42:19 < lorenzo> hobbyists help push down the prices a lot
2016-03-12T19:42:20 < bvernoux> then when you want to do serious things you shall move to something serious ...
2016-03-12T19:42:40 < bvernoux> excep if the needs are very limited ... like blinking led ...
2016-03-12T19:42:49 < englishman> then why is avr same price as f0, f1 etc
2016-03-12T19:42:54 < jpa-> hmm, 1mm bga; doesn't seem too bad
2016-03-12T19:42:55 < englishman> shouldnt it be 15c by now
2016-03-12T19:43:03 < jpa-> i might actually use that LPC4370 sometime
2016-03-12T19:43:17 < lorenzo> englishman: because atmel I guess
2016-03-12T19:43:17 < bvernoux> yes avr have crazy price for 8bits things with max 32MHz for 4KB SRAM ;)
2016-03-12T19:43:33 < lorenzo> AVR pricing is crazy, especially if you go into the larger parts (2560)
2016-03-12T19:43:44 < bvernoux> jpa-, problem is to find some stock somewhere and wait 16weeks lead time ;)
2016-03-12T19:43:45 < jpa-> soon they'll discontinue AVR and have just PIC
2016-03-12T19:44:02 < jpa-> bvernoux: ah, crap
2016-03-12T19:44:06 < jpa-> that kind of chip
2016-03-12T19:44:15 < lorenzo> the only thing I don't like about the hobbyist / maker community is how they throw useless things into useless things lol
2016-03-12T19:44:22 < bvernoux> jpa-, it is the main problem only low quantity during 3 years
2016-03-12T19:44:34 < lorenzo> like: need to blink a led? have a full featured SoC with tcp/ip and 802.11 and everything do the job
2016-03-12T19:44:56 < bvernoux> lorenzo, yes it is what I hate too
2016-03-12T19:45:12 < jpa-> lorenzo: why not?
2016-03-12T19:45:15 < englishman> esp8266 is a full featured soc now?
2016-03-12T19:45:28 < lorenzo> englishman: half featured? :p
2016-03-12T19:45:35 < bvernoux> lorenzo, even if I have lot of respect for projects like ChameleonMini which use this crappy 8bits AVR
2016-03-12T19:45:43 < jpa-> lorenzo: you use a supercomputer to talk shit on internet, while a serial terminal would work just as well
2016-03-12T19:45:52 < bvernoux> lorenzo, it will have been so great with an STM32 even a F411 ;)
2016-03-12T19:46:05 < bvernoux> but so limited with this AVR stuff
2016-03-12T19:46:07 < lorenzo> bvernoux: eh the opposite is quite interesting, people squeezing as much as thei can out of an AVR
2016-03-12T19:46:16 < lorenzo> such as VGA
2016-03-12T19:46:18 < jpa-> nah, that is useless
2016-03-12T19:46:26 < jpa-> interesting maybe, but useless
2016-03-12T19:46:29 < bvernoux> lorenzo, yes it is just crazy ;) a bit like old day on Amiga with Blitter ;)
2016-03-12T19:46:31 < lorenzo> useless, of course
2016-03-12T19:46:51 < lorenzo> jpa-: but it's the makers community. I don't think "useful" is the point. some people enjoy the process of .. making
2016-03-12T19:47:02 < bvernoux> lorenzo, but yes at end useless as you cannot upgrade anything because it is too limit everywhere ...
2016-03-12T19:47:46 < bvernoux> lorenzo, check risc-v project they have amazing MCU with multicore and power consumption is just amazing
2016-03-12T19:48:08 < bvernoux> lorenzo, it is open source ASIC ;)
2016-03-12T19:48:34 < bvernoux> lorenzo, fully synthesizable for FPGA for test or ASIC for final step ;)
2016-03-12T19:48:52 < lorenzo> bvernoux: wonder if it fits in my poor man's cyclone IV
2016-03-12T19:49:17 < bvernoux> lorenzo, I doubt but it shall work on Xilinx Zynq7020 like the one on Parallella ;)
2016-03-12T19:49:29 < bvernoux> I have a sleeping parallella it will be fun to test that
2016-03-12T19:49:48 < bvernoux> even if it is limited to something like 40 or 50MHz max
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2016-03-12T19:52:39 < lorenzo> btw, not really stm32 related but who cares :D
2016-03-12T19:53:00 < englishman> b&
2016-03-12T19:53:02 < lorenzo> if you had to start a small production run (~20/30 units) of a single board computer, industrial grade
2016-03-12T19:53:12 < lorenzo> iMX233 or AT91?
2016-03-12T19:53:42 < lorenzo> needs to sample and scale ADC readings, talk tcp/ip, print stuff
2016-03-12T19:53:50 < lorenzo> as in, print on paper
2016-03-12T19:53:52 < bvernoux> lorenzo, iMX are better in all cases
2016-03-12T19:55:03 < lorenzo> why?
2016-03-12T19:55:39 < lorenzo> one thing I've noticed is that on at91 you're pretty much forced to a custom kernel with external modules, otherwise e.g. there's no built-in support for ADC
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2016-03-12T19:57:38 < karlp> lorenzo: clifford got a cut down version of risc-V working on the lattice icestick, so yeah, I guess it would work on something like a cheap cyclone iv
2016-03-12T19:58:14 < bvernoux> the BOOM is amazing too
2016-03-12T19:58:16 < bvernoux> 2-wide BOOM with 16KiB L1 caches 1.2mm2 in TSMC 45nm. Can clock at 1.5GHz for two-wide.
2016-03-12T19:58:22 < bvernoux> DUal Core @ 1.5GHz ;)
2016-03-12T19:58:37 < bvernoux> with just 1.2mm2 !!
2016-03-12T19:58:53 < englishman> esp8266
2016-03-12T19:59:13 < bvernoux> and it was produced by ST ;)
2016-03-12T19:59:24 < bvernoux> so it is linked to STM32 in fact ;)
2016-03-12T19:59:27 < bvernoux> for future
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2016-03-12T20:07:49 < FatalNIX> Okay. I think I know how to handle this. there's only one thing that I'm not quite sure about when it comes to input capture in my project so far; the clock rate of the device I am talking to is the same, but not in sync with the clock of the timer on my stm32. is there an easy way to handle this? The start of a signal is specified by the signal dropping low
2016-03-12T20:08:12 < FatalNIX> I was curious if there was a way to magically have it sync to that first falling edge
2016-03-12T20:11:24 < englishman> EXTI that starts a timer?
2016-03-12T20:11:50 < englishman> what are you even doing
2016-03-12T20:12:58 < englishman> receiving synchronous pwm?
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2016-03-12T20:14:18 < FatalNIX> I'm reading an input signal, that consists of bits that last for 4 micro seconds, with a resolution of 1 microsecond, a 1 is 1 microsecond low, and a 0 is 3. That part is easy! at least from all my reading. The issue though...
2016-03-12T20:14:35 < FatalNIX> the issue is that the remote device has its own clock, so it's not aligned, or not in phase rather
2016-03-12T20:15:12 < FatalNIX> so I could supersample it at like, 250 nanosecond intervals.. but I still need to think of how to actually start the timer count at that first falling edge
2016-03-12T20:15:18 < FatalNIX> so that itl be aligned
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2016-03-12T20:20:52 < jpa-> it will drift anyway
2016-03-12T20:21:02 < jpa-> if you supersample, why do you need it aligned?
2016-03-12T20:21:15 < jpa-> you could also consider using e.g. SPI that you clock from the external circuit
2016-03-12T20:22:13 < FatalNIX> this is a video game controller :P
2016-03-12T20:22:41 < englishman> doesnt input capture do exactly this, just set timer for resolution, and on rising edge you have teh pulse length in a register to read during interrupt
2016-03-12T20:22:47 < FatalNIX> jpa-: if I don't align it then my numbers on the timer counter registers will be not what I want them to be
2016-03-12T20:23:34 < FatalNIX> englishman: that is
2016-03-12T20:23:41 < FatalNIX> that is exactly how it works *
2016-03-12T20:24:14 < FatalNIX> but I'd like to start counting at the falling edge, and I didn't see anything in my book or in the ref that particularly mentioned that
2016-03-12T20:24:17 < FatalNIX> but maybe I am blind
2016-03-12T20:24:29 < jpa-> the count will always be aligned to the STM32 internal clock
2016-03-12T20:24:37 < jpa-> because there are no other clock edges that it could count on
2016-03-12T20:25:06 < FatalNIX> for all I know the signal could delay its transmission for several microseconds
2016-03-12T20:25:23 < FatalNIX> and I would think it'd be nice to just wait for that signal to go low to start the timer
2016-03-12T20:25:33 < englishman> you dont need to start the timer at falling edge, it can run all the time
2016-03-12T20:25:36 < jpa-> and if you supersample e.g. 4x, then just map anything less than 8 ticks to '1' and anything more to '0' bit
2016-03-12T20:25:45 < englishman> ^ that
2016-03-12T20:26:00 < englishman> if pulse < 4 bit = 0 else blah blah
2016-03-12T20:26:15 < FatalNIX> hmm
2016-03-12T20:27:11 < jpa-> but at microsecond times you'll probably want to use DMA to copy out the pulse lengths
2016-03-12T20:27:30 < englishman> looking at arduino dudes with n64 they do this in asm heh
2016-03-12T20:27:49 < FatalNIX> heh
2016-03-12T20:28:03 < FatalNIX> jpa-: yeah, I do intend to use DMA
2016-03-12T20:28:12 < FatalNIX> both ways actually
2016-03-12T20:28:28 < FatalNIX> so I can just have DMA read my times to send output as well
2016-03-12T20:28:28 < FatalNIX> :)
2016-03-12T20:28:40 < FatalNIX> which, there's only one thing you send to the controller but
2016-03-12T20:29:02 < englishman> dont you need to send rumblepak data
2016-03-12T20:29:26 < FatalNIX> I don't even know where my tremorpak is..
2016-03-12T20:29:37 < FatalNIX> but yeah that's a good point. I don't -have- to
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2016-03-12T20:29:47 < FatalNIX> 0x01 is the "give me button / joystick data" packet
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2016-03-12T20:30:12 < FatalNIX> I should definately look into handling memory card and rumble
2016-03-12T20:30:50 < FatalNIX> the good thing is the the gamecube controller is exactly the same in many ways, so close that I could even use a button on my stm32 to switch between gc and n64 mode :
2016-03-12T20:30:53 < FatalNIX> P
2016-03-12T20:31:14 < FatalNIX> but this is an n64 only project atm
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2016-03-12T20:42:21 < FatalNIX> jpa-: I kind of wonder sometimes why these controllers weren't syncronous. it would have made it easier for them to communicate
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2016-03-12T20:44:12 < FatalNIX> async uses less power but
2016-03-12T20:44:26 < FatalNIX> or at least has the potential to
2016-03-12T20:46:34 < FatalNIX> I also found out why i can't set the MSI clock to higher frequencies (unrelated). when I set the MSIRGSEL bit in RCC_CR it causes an exception of sorts that triggers the NMI.. wat
2016-03-12T20:46:50 < jpa-> seems like you could also use the UART to receive the N64 controller protocol
2016-03-12T20:47:16 < jpa-> setting it to e.g. 4 Mbps clock rate
2016-03-12T20:47:30 < FatalNIX> I thought about doing that
2016-03-12T20:47:47 < FatalNIX> but the packet sizes are so huge..
2016-03-12T20:47:59 < jpa-> so?
2016-03-12T20:48:19 < jpa-> takes less ram than doing it via timer capture
2016-03-12T20:48:21 < FatalNIX> at 4microseccond intervals it's basically 32N1, but I don't think the signals are the same as they typically are in TTL serial protocols
2016-03-12T20:48:58 < jpa-> nah, you'd set it fast enough so that each bit is one byte in uart, and the initial falling edge is always start of byte
2016-03-12T20:49:21 < FatalNIX> right
2016-03-12T20:50:15 < FatalNIX> i wonder what sort of baud rate that would give me..
2016-03-12T20:50:57 < FatalNIX> I'm going to be using USART2 to send data to my laptop
2016-03-12T20:51:22 < FatalNIX> since I read over how to make the stm32 a USB peripheral and I have no idea how the heck that works XD
2016-03-12T20:51:36 < FatalNIX> the ref gets really in depth in the USB OTG chapter
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2016-03-12T20:52:55 < FatalNIX> keep in mind I'm not using mbed or anything, I'm doing everything pretty much manually
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2016-03-12T20:57:05 < FatalNIX> well wait a minute.. I might be fine with input capture sync if I just make it so that instead of watching for a falling edge i look for a rising edge.
2016-03-12T20:57:51 < FatalNIX> the start bit will always be a 0 anyways or whatever
2016-03-12T20:58:26 < FatalNIX> so I can completely ignore the startbit and all would be fine.
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2016-03-12T21:00:42 < qyx> 19:14 < FatalNIX> I'm reading an input signal, that consists of bits that last for 4 micro seconds, with a resolution of 1 microsecond, a 1 is 1 microsecond low, and a 0 is 3. That part is easy! at least from all my reading. The issue though...
2016-03-12T21:00:51 < qyx> thats the same as 1wire
2016-03-12T21:00:53 < qyx> kind of
2016-03-12T21:01:43 < FatalNIX> orly?
2016-03-12T21:01:55 < qyx> I would use the USART as jpa- said
2016-03-12T21:02:41 < FatalNIX> I'm not sure how well that would work out, especially since the packets you send are not as long as the ones you receive
2016-03-12T21:02:53 < qyx> doesn't really matter
2016-03-12T21:02:55 < FatalNIX> in terms of bits before stop bits, etc
2016-03-12T21:03:27 < qyx> if the bit is 4us wide, make the USART byte 4us wide
2016-03-12T21:03:32 < qyx> 2mbit/s would do
2016-03-12T21:03:47 < FatalNIX> I wouldn't want to supersample that?
2016-03-12T21:04:06 < jpa-> the STM32 UART already does 8x or 16x oversampling
2016-03-12T21:04:09 < qyx> you will receive eg. 10000000, 11000000, 11100000, that would be 1
2016-03-12T21:04:11 < FatalNIX> the bits coming back could be like 1/3 of a microsecond off of the clock of the stm32
2016-03-12T21:04:14 < FatalNIX> ok
2016-03-12T21:04:14 < qyx> and the rest could be 0
2016-03-12T21:04:58 < FatalNIX> so I would just have to disable start and stop bits
2016-03-12T21:05:05 < jpa-> with STM32 clock being at some 0.013 microseconds, it is not possible to be 0.3 microseconds away from it
2016-03-12T21:05:07 < FatalNIX> and send my own start and stop bits in the transmission
2016-03-12T21:05:08 < qyx> but meh, I am actually seeing that n64 for the first time
2016-03-12T21:05:44 < FatalNIX> the controller could be better, but I had one lying around and the connector makes it easy to jab wires into
2016-03-12T21:05:47 < FatalNIX> :D
2016-03-12T21:07:31 < FatalNIX> so let's see, 8 bits, no start bit, no stop bits, in four microseconds, that would be.. a 2 Mhz clock for the UART right? or am I doing that math wrong.. should i make it faster.
2016-03-12T21:07:45 < jpa-> not sure if you can disable start and stop bits
2016-03-12T21:08:00 < jpa-> not sure how well transmission would work with uart
2016-03-12T21:08:16 < FatalNIX> well  let's see, the stop bit would be a high logic level, soo..
2016-03-12T21:08:23 < FatalNIX> yeah the start bit could screw it up
2016-03-12T21:09:37 < FatalNIX> I could always try both methods XD
2016-03-12T21:10:43 < FatalNIX> but I think what I will do is us input capture right now at 250 nanosecond intervals or something and then just dump the results to a serial port to see what kind of data I got
2016-03-12T21:10:52 < FatalNIX> since I don't have an osciloscope
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2016-03-12T23:31:48 < qyx> wtf, are they serious that protocol buffers compiler communicates with its plugins using protocol buffers?
2016-03-12T23:37:48 < Steffanx> They are serious.
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2016-03-12T23:45:00 < jpa-> qyx: sure, it's actually pretty nice :)
2016-03-12T23:45:41 < jpa-> the C++ protobuf library also supports loading a protobuf-encoded description of your protobuf-encoding in runtime
2016-03-12T23:45:43 < karlp> FatalNIX: hey, you're problems with setting MSI range to 48Mhz...
2016-03-12T23:45:51 < karlp> you were properly enabling voltage range 1 first right?
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2016-03-12T23:57:39 < FatalNIX> karlp, the ref didn't say anything about that..
2016-03-12T23:57:45 < FatalNIX> that is a great point
2016-03-12T23:58:56 < FatalNIX> oh it does say it, it just doesn't say it in the section it is supposed to..
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2016-03-13T00:02:43 < FatalNIX> karlp, that explains why an exception raises
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2016-03-13T00:12:08 < karlp> however, it is set to range 1 by default :)
2016-03-13T00:12:21 < karlp> anyway, I'm doign this "right now" so I'll see if anything untoward ahppens for me.
2016-03-13T00:14:02 < Laurenceb_> lulwut http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35795128
2016-03-13T00:14:12 < Laurenceb_> so why does she have the video on her phone
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2016-03-13T00:14:43 < FatalNIX> what do you have for a board karlp ?
2016-03-13T00:14:49 < FatalNIX> I have an L476VG
2016-03-13T00:14:56 < FatalNIX> disco
2016-03-13T00:15:36 < karlp> me too.
2016-03-13T00:16:08 < qyx> finally compiled the .proto file
2016-03-13T00:16:12 < FatalNIX> I also noticed that if I want to crank it up to 48 Mhz that I can't set the MSIRANGE in RCC_CR to B0
2016-03-13T00:16:14 < FatalNIX> B*
2016-03-13T00:16:22 < qyx> one whole hour
2016-03-13T00:16:23 < FatalNIX> I can change it to say 6
2016-03-13T00:16:27 < FatalNIX> or anything else
2016-03-13T00:18:51 < FatalNIX> karlp, I did configure the flash latency now t o no effect
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2016-03-13T00:47:09 < karlp> FatalNIX: well, I get a lockup as well, which I wasn't expecting :)
2016-03-13T00:54:52 < karlp> nice, even managed to crash gdb stepping around it.
2016-03-13T00:56:20 < qyx> jpa-: mac_messages.proto:14:38: Option "(nanopb)" unknown.
2016-03-13T00:56:23 < qyx> wat
2016-03-13T00:56:59 < qyx> i copied it from your tutorial
2016-03-13T00:58:59 < lorenzo> is it normal for alibaba suppliers to completely stop answering if a deal doesn't convince them?
2016-03-13T00:59:25 < lorenzo> as in, most of the people I'm dealing with are like: you either accept their price at first time, or they won't even write back to you if you ask for a discount :/
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2016-03-13T01:01:34 < karlp> lorenzo: well, you're on an online shop that has prices set?
2016-03-13T01:01:45 < karlp> why waste time replying to people who saw the price but don't want to pay it? :)
2016-03-13T01:01:52 < FatalNIX> karlp, that sucks, I was hoping you wouldn't lol!
2016-03-13T01:02:07  * karlp too :)
2016-03-13T01:02:19 < karlp> yeah, 200kzh-> 8mhz work fine.
2016-03-13T01:03:01 < lorenzo> karlp: hm not necessairly, some have a price range according to how many units you buy
2016-03-13T01:03:15 < karlp> hrm 24mhz too
2016-03-13T01:03:29 < lorenzo> but apparently there's no margin for paying a bit less :D
2016-03-13T01:05:57 < karlp> FatalNIX: 32mhz works for me, 48 doesn't.
2016-03-13T01:06:14 < karlp> there's errata saying all sorts of things like, "option byte loading doesn't work if msi is > 8mhz" though :)
2016-03-13T01:06:16 < FatalNIX> I see, can you get 24?
2016-03-13T01:06:49 < karlp> If the MSI clock is stopped when it is running at high frequency (24 MHz or above), the
2016-03-13T01:06:52 < karlp> MSIRDY (MSI ready) flag can stay at value 1 instead of 0.
2016-03-13T01:06:56 < karlp> yeah, I can get 32Mhz and 24Mhz.
2016-03-13T01:07:01 < karlp> but 48 locks up
2016-03-13T01:07:01 < FatalNIX> huh
2016-03-13T01:07:06 < FatalNIX> Can I see your code?
2016-03-13T01:07:12 < FatalNIX> for the MSI setup
2016-03-13T01:07:35 < FatalNIX> my problem is that if I write a 1 to MSIRGSEL it just shuts it back off
2016-03-13T01:07:42 < Laurenceb_> http://img.michaeljacksonspictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/popcorn-blank.gif
2016-03-13T01:07:43 < FatalNIX> preventing me from getting higher than like 8 Mhz
2016-03-13T01:07:51 < Laurenceb_> The Horizon programme will be transmitted in the UK at 20:00 on Wed 23 March. It is called Project Greenglow the search for gravity control.
2016-03-13T01:07:54 < karlp> yeah, also, you _must_ write the MSIRGSEL bit _after_ writing changes to the MSIRANGE
2016-03-13T01:07:56 < Laurenceb_> emdrive confirmed
2016-03-13T01:08:00 < karlp> you're only looking at RCC_CR right FatalNIX ?
2016-03-13T01:08:30 < karlp> https://www.zerobin.net/?dbc5d9b305f92508#6drKk7hI7zYZTmG8ju1wDPCtLt4wJUsX2GxQU7aavIM=
2016-03-13T01:08:44 < FatalNIX> yeah
2016-03-13T01:10:32 < karlp> I don't see anything in the errata or the ref man tha tsays why 48 locks up for me.
2016-03-13T01:10:38 < karlp> I always thought you were doing somethign wrong :)
2016-03-13T01:14:24 < karlp> still don't get trace output either. no idea what's going on there either.
2016-03-13T01:14:52 < FatalNIX> karlp, that is so weird..
2016-03-13T01:14:58 < FatalNIX> it doesn't set the MSIRGSEL bit for me
2016-03-13T01:16:37 < karlp> "it" ?
2016-03-13T01:16:42 < karlp> that's a bit you set...
2016-03-13T01:16:48 < karlp> what's your code?
2016-03-13T01:22:27 < karlp> oh, you have falsh wait state set up too right?
2016-03-13T01:23:10 < FatalNIX> that that may be incorrect hold on
2016-03-13T01:23:16 < FatalNIX> I gotta fix that from 48 to 24 Mhz
2016-03-13T01:30:24 < FatalNIX> karlp, https://www.zerobin.net/?095fc22e595ec43d#q3uma2UVdZyK8JSGoM++C32nm+QzlzbsFbCM9FlhoL0=
2016-03-13T01:30:45 < FatalNIX> should work for 24 Mhz
2016-03-13T01:31:01 < FatalNIX> also comment for FLASH crap is wrong but
2016-03-13T01:31:07 < karlp> ok, 48 works for me after setting 2 waitestates
2016-03-13T01:31:15 < karlp> so yeah, you must have been doing somethign wrong :)
2016-03-13T01:31:20 < FatalNIX> it's still not working
2016-03-13T01:31:37 < FatalNIX> that is literally my main()
2016-03-13T01:31:41 < karlp> the manual says 2 ws for 48, why are you setting only 1?
2016-03-13T01:31:49 < FatalNIX> except I have a for(;;); underneath
2016-03-13T01:31:56 < FatalNIX> I'm doing 24
2016-03-13T01:31:59 < FatalNIX> the comment is wrong
2016-03-13T01:32:03 < FatalNIX> I'm setting 1 for 24
2016-03-13T01:32:21 < FatalNIX> MSIRANGE = 0x9 which is 24Mhz
2016-03-13T01:32:27 < FatalNIX> 48 is 0xB
2016-03-13T01:33:25 < FatalNIX> and in the debugger if I try to click MSIRGSEL option, it just removes the check a second later..
2016-03-13T01:33:56 < karlp> what debugger are you clicking in?
2016-03-13T01:34:10 < FatalNIX> I'm using Keil on this machine right here
2016-03-13T01:34:18 < FatalNIX> I've got some other machines with gdb but they're off
2016-03-13T01:35:20 < FatalNIX> when I step through the box doesn't even ever check
2016-03-13T01:39:07 < FatalNIX> karlp, I wonder if my code runs fine on your board
2016-03-13T01:39:17 < FatalNIX> I've been having weird issue with mine for a while on different things
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2016-03-13T01:45:52 < karlp> FatalNIX: send me an elf and I'll give it a go...
2016-03-13T01:46:00 < karlp> but you'd better describe what you want me to be looking at...
2016-03-13T01:46:27 < FatalNIX> lol!
2016-03-13T01:46:38 < FatalNIX> well the code doesn't do anything yet..
2016-03-13T01:47:26 < karlp> so, blink leds or something
2016-03-13T01:48:30 < FatalNIX> that doesn't help me figure out why msirgsel won't get set
2016-03-13T01:48:31 < FatalNIX> lol
2016-03-13T01:48:57 < karlp> make sure voltage range is set, make sure flash wait states are set, set msi range.... profit..
2016-03-13T01:49:14 < karlp> once I followed those steps from the ref man, it works for all ranges as described.
2016-03-13T01:49:28 < FatalNIX> where do you set the voltage range? I couldn't find it anywhere in the reference manual
2016-03-13T01:49:34 < karlp> PWR.
2016-03-13T01:49:42 < karlp> but it defaults to range 1 anyway, so you _should_ be ok.
2016-03-13T01:50:13 < FatalNIX> hmm
2016-03-13T01:51:36 < FatalNIX> yeah VOS is 01
2016-03-13T01:52:18 < FatalNIX> in the debugger it shows
2016-03-13T01:53:14 < FatalNIX> I copied and modified your code just to make sure I wasn't doing something stupid, and so this is literally my entire file: https://www.zerobin.net/?fde31486f571e648#smbn4E1Bva9sPqvAIbX1VNjKO5gChe+pW9U+it8wqog=
2016-03-13T01:53:23 < FatalNIX> doesn't seem to work
2016-03-13T01:53:44 < FatalNIX> as I step through, the MSIRANGE does change and everything..
2016-03-13T01:53:53 < FatalNIX> but alas MSIRGSEL remains disabled
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2016-03-13T01:55:08 < karlp> also, you can merge them when you have the wait state ssetup properly :)
2016-03-13T01:55:41 < FatalNIX> that is what I was originally doing
2016-03-13T01:58:31 < karlp> well, 24 and 32mhz had worked for me when I wrote it separately, but still with flash wait states at 0, which was wrong.
2016-03-13T01:58:36 < karlp> do you want my elf?
2016-03-13T01:58:50 < karlp> I'm working on other things, so you can't have the source easily right now,
2016-03-13T01:58:57 < karlp> in an hour or so it will be ready though.
2016-03-13T02:00:53 < FatalNIX> karlp, apparently I'm an ass
2016-03-13T02:01:14 < FatalNIX> it looks like a 0 but I glued my eyes to the screen
2016-03-13T02:01:19 < FatalNIX> and the CR shows as 0x9B
2016-03-13T02:01:27 < FatalNIX> but MSIRGSEL is blank in the debugger gui
2016-03-13T02:01:34 < FatalNIX> so yes, MSIRGSEL is enabled. WTF.
2016-03-13T02:01:38 < FatalNIX> debugger bugs.
2016-03-13T02:04:14 < karlp> shoulda used gdb
2016-03-13T02:05:00 < karlp> still don't know why my trace output doesn't work though :|
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2016-03-13T02:20:58 < Laurenceb_> c n00b question, uint8_t Get_From_Buffer(void * data, buff_type* buffer)
2016-03-13T02:21:03 < Laurenceb_> why does this fail?
2016-03-13T02:21:22 < Laurenceb_> error: invalid use of void expression
2016-03-13T02:21:40 < yan> Laurenceb_: what's 'buff_type'?
2016-03-13T02:22:13 < Laurenceb_> a structure
2016-03-13T02:22:26 < Laurenceb_> I think the error is with the first argument
2016-03-13T02:22:49 < yan> paste the code somewhere? void* is okay in param list
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2016-03-13T02:27:36 < Laurenceb_> ah fixed it nvm
2016-03-13T02:27:41 < Laurenceb_> error on another line lol
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2016-03-13T02:53:59 < Laurenceb_> I'm confused by this now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable-length_array
2016-03-13T02:54:17 < Laurenceb_> I'm using -std=gnu99, but getting an error
2016-03-13T02:54:32 < Laurenceb_> error: variable-sized object may not be initialized
2016-03-13T02:57:33 < fenugrec> paste
2016-03-13T03:00:48 < Laurenceb_> oh solved it, C99 doesnt allow initialisation
2016-03-13T03:00:53 < Laurenceb_> you have to use memset
2016-03-13T03:04:29 < lorenzo> I just = {0};
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2016-03-13T03:05:12 < lorenzo> ah, variable length, nvm
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2016-03-13T04:23:37 < aandrew> bleh
2016-03-13T04:23:41 < aandrew> debugging lwip tcp bullshit
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2016-03-13T04:59:28 < dongs>  Laurenceb_> oh solved it, C99 doesnt allow initialisation
2016-03-13T04:59:30 < dongs> what
2016-03-13T05:00:29 < Laurenceb_> uint8_t data[foo]={};
2016-03-13T05:00:51 < dongs> well, thats just retarded but I didn't expect different from you
2016-03-13T05:08:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah im retarded
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2016-03-13T05:30:03 < Laurenceb_> this is weird
2016-03-13T05:30:12 < Laurenceb_> I'm getting errors due to unknown types
2016-03-13T05:30:41 < Laurenceb_> so in main.h I include foo.h
2016-03-13T05:30:50 < Laurenceb_> and a data type is defined
2016-03-13T05:31:08 < Laurenceb_> yet lower in main.h where I have function headers I get an error
2016-03-13T05:31:09 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2016-03-13T05:31:26 < Laurenceb_> ./main.h:57:24: error: unknown type name 'AD_config_type'
2016-03-13T05:31:46 < emeb_mac> open sores compiler
2016-03-13T05:35:12 < Laurenceb_> hmm some sort of circular dependency
2016-03-13T05:36:48 < Laurenceb_> fixed it but now I have weirder issues
2016-03-13T05:37:05 < Laurenceb_> error: conflicting type qualifiers for 'SP1ML_aligned_data_ready'
2016-03-13T05:37:17 < Laurenceb_> at this line:   	SP1ML_aligned_data_ready=1;
2016-03-13T05:37:19 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2016-03-13T05:37:52 < Laurenceb_> sp1ml.h:58:25: note: previous declaration of 'SP1ML_aligned_data_ready' was here
2016-03-13T05:38:07 < Laurenceb_> how can it think that assignment is a definition?
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2016-03-13T05:43:43 < Laurenceb_> warning: data definition has no type or storage clas
2016-03-13T05:43:46 < Laurenceb_> as well
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2016-03-13T09:12:52 < jpa-> qyx: did you remember to copy the    include "nanopb.proto";  line also?
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2016-03-13T09:52:18 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-SDCZ43-128G-GAM46-Newest-Version/dp/B01BGTG2A0/
2016-03-13T09:52:24 < ReadError> gdamn these are getting so cheap
2016-03-13T09:52:47 < dongs> cute
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2016-03-13T09:53:31 < PeterM> i think i linked about a month ago 256gb micro sd card for like $80 or something
2016-03-13T09:53:46 < ReadError> altho
2016-03-13T09:53:47 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-128GB-Flash-MUF-128CB-AM/dp/B017DH3NXI/
2016-03-13T09:53:51 < ReadError> this is an excellent idea
2016-03-13T09:53:55 < ReadError> I can dig it
2016-03-13T09:54:09 < dongs> crt: cortex-m if thats what you want.
2016-03-13T09:54:21 < dongs> or just use F0 version
2016-03-13T09:54:25 < dongs> for free.
2016-03-13T09:54:26 < PeterM> ReadError, i wonder if it supprots USB OTG
2016-03-13T09:54:32 < dongs> c-m is around 3k
2016-03-13T09:54:34 < ReadError> ya it does PeterM
2016-03-13T09:54:38 < ReadError> thats what its made for
2016-03-13T09:54:44 < ReadError> not the OTG plug though
2016-03-13T09:54:45 < dongs> you dont need pro
2016-03-13T09:54:50 < dongs> pro is only need if you want to use thier middlware
2016-03-13T09:54:52 < PeterM> oh, i thoguht it was just for plugging into computers that aren't ancient
2016-03-13T09:54:52 < dongs> usb/filesystem etc
2016-03-13T09:55:15 < ReadError> PeterM does both
2016-03-13T09:55:24 < dongs> http://www.newark.com/keil/mdk-arm-cm/mdk-arm-cortex-m-node-locked/dp/46W2361
2016-03-13T09:55:27 < dongs> jsut use lwip
2016-03-13T09:55:29 < dongs> like all newbs
2016-03-13T09:55:31 < dongs> at least you'll get uspport
2016-03-13T09:55:40 < dongs> i only used keil usb stack and because iw as too lazy to use ST's
2016-03-13T09:56:00 < dongs> and this was back on keil4 because in v5 the new middleware/packs shit is such aids, i would never use it
2016-03-13T09:56:33 < dongs> i dont even know if you can use v5 usb stack without pulling in a bunch of thier middleware shit
2016-03-13T09:56:40 < dongs> rtos, hal, wahtever
2016-03-13T09:58:36 < dongs> im pretty sure youre pumping, so I probably wasted my time anyway
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2016-03-13T10:04:08 < dongs> you dont need to trial it. i just told you the only thing it adds is middleware. which is aids.
2016-03-13T10:08:08 < dongs> no, there's mdk hal too
2016-03-13T10:08:25 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/rl-arm/rl_benefits.asp
2016-03-13T10:09:04 < dongs> http://www2.keil.com/mdk5/middleware/ thee's a shitty fucking video
2016-03-13T10:09:07 < dongs> instead of a pic
2016-03-13T10:09:09 < dongs> that i can link
2016-03-13T10:09:23 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUKP9ZazgGY
2016-03-13T10:09:36 < dongs> 'software packs'
2016-03-13T10:09:40 < dongs> with drivers = hal
2016-03-13T10:11:39 < dongs> i ahvent looked wat 'software packs' are using as its base
2016-03-13T10:13:38 < dongs> hopefully just cmsis+registers
2016-03-13T10:13:45 < dongs> and abstracted into wahtever keil hal
2016-03-13T10:13:56 < dongs> instead of cmsis -> stdperuiph/hal -> keil hal -> lol
2016-03-13T10:16:22 < dongs> yep.....
2016-03-13T10:16:27 < dongs> it just wraps stdperiphlib..
2016-03-13T10:16:33 < dongs> at least on F1
2016-03-13T10:16:41 < dongs> ah, wait no
2016-03-13T10:16:45 < dongs> the RTE stuff is its own
2016-03-13T10:17:00 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Hi4nXL24.html
2016-03-13T10:17:39 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/ZKMpGg41.html i2Cc
2016-03-13T10:19:09 < dongs> pretty basic stuff on keil original hal
2016-03-13T10:19:11 < dongs> not even EXTI etc.
2016-03-13T10:19:23 < dongs> basically just enough to support their shit
2016-03-13T10:19:30 < dongs> filesystem/tcpip/usbfs
2016-03-13T10:20:08 < dongs> i wouldnt use it.
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2016-03-13T10:23:22 < dongs> it is
2016-03-13T10:23:25 < dongs> i just told you its in F1 pack
2016-03-13T10:23:32 < dongs> im downloading F4 to see but i think its there too.
2016-03-13T10:23:37 < dongs> it just uses wahtever st provdies
2016-03-13T10:23:49 < dongs> and has their own shit on top thats just enough to support RTE/middleware
2016-03-13T10:24:19 < dongs> 80% on F4 pack, will know soon
2016-03-13T10:26:50 < dongs> STM32F4xx_HAL_Driver
2016-03-13T10:26:53 < dongs> its there.
2016-03-13T10:26:58 < dongs> F4 pack uses st hal
2016-03-13T10:28:15 < dongs> wat the fuck
2016-03-13T10:28:22 < dongs> F4 pack doenstr enve HAVE keil drivers
2016-03-13T10:28:27 < dongs> its just hal
2016-03-13T10:28:35 < dongs> oh never mind
2016-03-13T10:28:37 < dongs> CMSIS\Driver
2016-03-13T10:28:45 < dongs> same thing
2016-03-13T10:28:50 < dongs> i2c/spi/usart/gpio
2016-03-13T10:28:56 < dongs> not even gpio.
2016-03-13T10:33:28 < dongs> dont you mean another blunt you fufkcing stoner
2016-03-13T10:33:57 < dongs> coffee isnt?
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2016-03-13T12:36:07 < qyx> jpa-: thanks, it is working now
2016-03-13T12:37:00 < jpa-> :)
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2016-03-13T13:15:40 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Timer-based-sound-generator/
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2016-03-13T13:33:02 < dongs> protect my tweets
2016-03-13T13:40:30 < kakimir> it's a beautyful sunny day
2016-03-13T13:43:08 < kakimir> like I should be doing something outside but don't know what
2016-03-13T13:45:49 < kakimir> I'm in too good condition to not work on projects!
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2016-03-13T13:50:34 < ReadError> making more PCBS???A?A
2016-03-13T13:51:45 < kakimir> true!
2016-03-13T13:52:07 < kakimir> making pcb's make me physically sick
2016-03-13T13:52:11 < PeterM> MOAR SMAS?
2016-03-13T13:52:13 < Steffanx> one needs a good condition to work on projects?
2016-03-13T13:52:14 < kakimir> no
2016-03-13T13:52:21 < Steffanx> lazy arse in front of pc is all you need :P
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2016-03-13T13:52:36 < kakimir> Steffanx: no but it's a lot faster
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2016-03-13T13:56:04 < kakimir> it's my drug
2016-03-13T13:56:20 < kakimir> after 4days I go in a bad condition
2016-03-13T13:57:25 < kakimir> can't stand mania for that long
2016-03-13T13:58:22 < Steffanx> pebkac.
2016-03-13T14:01:33 < Steffanx> must or die?
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2016-03-13T14:04:02 < dongs> this rework im doing right now makes me want to grab the iron like those 123rf model
2016-03-13T14:04:18 < kakimir> you can be without buying almost all of the things you buy
2016-03-13T14:04:27 < kakimir> but computer monitor is not one of them
2016-03-13T14:09:30 < dongs> if youre some autistic lunix shithead oyu only need a 80x25 vt100 terminal
2016-03-13T14:12:13 < kakimir> hmm rc plane weather
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2016-03-13T14:12:39 < kakimir> too late it's only 2hours of light left
2016-03-13T14:12:48 < dongs> time to get stoned
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2016-03-13T14:26:04 < Steffanx> you should move.. 2 hours of light left ?!
2016-03-13T14:26:42 < kakimir> in ethernets do I have to touch those excess pairs really?
2016-03-13T14:26:55 < kakimir> if I want 4pin connector not 6pin
2016-03-13T14:27:33 < dongs> i have 10/100 board with pin1/2/3/6? or wahtever on 4 pin header.
2016-03-13T14:27:47 < Steffanx> why on earth you want to do ethernet on something non-standard?
2016-03-13T14:27:49 < Steffanx> dont do that please.
2016-03-13T14:28:35 < dongs> Steffanx: if the jack is somewehre else on enclsoure, or if you're doing PoE and have a module for that or smth
2016-03-13T14:28:46 < kakimir> dongs: you have excess pairs shorted and connected to shared ground bypass capacitor via 75ohm resistors?
2016-03-13T14:29:12 < dongs> i mean, autismir probably doenst have a legit reason
2016-03-13T14:29:15 < dongs> but there's lots of htem
2016-03-13T14:29:22 < dongs> kakimir: i hope y ou buy an expensive poe switch and burn it with that setup
2016-03-13T14:29:48 < kakimir> it would be shitty switch
2016-03-13T14:30:20 < dongs> ok then I hope  you just die
2016-03-13T14:31:48 < kakimir> sorry dong uncle
2016-03-13T14:32:43 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeTVfRE14MnRPMmc/view?usp=sharing
2016-03-13T14:32:55 < kakimir> this ruins my 4wire connector plan
2016-03-13T14:33:55 < Steffanx> but why you want this kakimir?
2016-03-13T14:34:05 < Steffanx> dont want a nice rj45 connector on your pcb?
2016-03-13T14:34:07 < Steffanx> sma?
2016-03-13T14:34:16 < kakimir> no way there is rj45 on board
2016-03-13T14:34:33 < kakimir> it would be like 15% of the board area
2016-03-13T14:34:57 < kakimir> just for 15cm cable to case side connector
2016-03-13T14:35:21 < Sync_> just put an rj45 on there.
2016-03-13T14:35:33 < Sync_> use a magjack and you save the magnetic space
2016-03-13T14:36:20 < kakimir> the case has like... 4cm of space
2016-03-13T14:36:31 < kakimir> in height
2016-03-13T14:36:40 < kakimir> bend that shiet there
2016-03-13T14:42:48 < kakimir> not going to happen
2016-03-13T14:43:03 < kakimir> but jst-ph 4 or 6
2016-03-13T14:43:21 < kakimir> with loose twisted pairs out of it
2016-03-13T14:43:25 < kakimir> no probs
2016-03-13T14:45:15 < dongs> autismir
2016-03-13T14:45:36 < dongs> or beakymir i duno
2016-03-13T14:45:37 < dongs> cant decide
2016-03-13T14:49:38 < kakimir> I need small magnetics dongs but inexpensive
2016-03-13T14:50:47 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/HALO-Electronics/TG110-E055N5LF/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMv0IfuNuy2LUfZdSvNuW2Vy8gJtcPGFdGQ%3d is this ok price?
2016-03-13T14:51:05 < dongs> lol.
2016-03-13T14:51:10 < dongs> this is neither small nor inexpensive
2016-03-13T14:51:16 < dongs> that looks like standard magnetics footprint
2016-03-13T14:51:38 < kakimir> it's like so16 or so
2016-03-13T14:51:46 < kakimir> or soic16
2016-03-13T14:52:52 < kakimir> or just close to those sizes
2016-03-13T14:53:56 < Sync_> that's like not even cheap at all
2016-03-13T14:53:59 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHDg_K-3gas
2016-03-13T14:54:09 < dongs> someoen needs to sneak some tarantulas into her room
2016-03-13T14:55:01 < kakimir> Sync_: it isn't
2016-03-13T14:56:00 < dongs> +1'd the top comment Girl, if she became president he would nuke your country again.
2016-03-13T14:59:07 < kakimir> yes the package is size of soic16.. you say there is really smaller ones?
2016-03-13T14:59:24 < dongs> yes, the ones inside the fucking magjackl
2016-03-13T15:00:32 < zyp> for 10/100 without poe, just use that hanrun shit
2016-03-13T15:03:33 < kakimir> there is just that excess connector around it dongs
2016-03-13T15:03:49 < kakimir> that is totally without purpose inside that case
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2016-03-13T15:05:31 < kakimir> I wonder what these different pinout schemes are for in transformers
2016-03-13T15:05:40 < kakimir> looks like those are just mirrors of each other
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2016-03-13T15:06:28 < kakimir> why not just rotate the chip... 180degrees?
2016-03-13T15:06:43 < kakimir> "chip"
2016-03-13T15:06:49 < kakimir> package*
2016-03-13T15:08:07 < kakimir> that would be a little dirty?
2016-03-13T15:10:22 < kakimir> maybe dickplacing chip with 180degree rotation to layout would be awkward
2016-03-13T15:12:38 < kakimir> zyp: HR601680? looks suitable. Thanks!
2016-03-13T15:13:11 < dongs> HR601680
2016-03-13T15:15:47 < kakimir> seems to be the soic16 format
2016-03-13T15:16:14 < zyp> uh, no
2016-03-13T15:16:28 < zyp> I was talking about the hanrun magjack
2016-03-13T15:16:50 < dongs> he wants to assburger
2016-03-13T15:16:59 < zyp> hr91105a I guess
2016-03-13T15:18:01 < kakimir> do you have magjacks inside cases just to have rj45 wall mounted into case?
2016-03-13T15:18:13 < kakimir> of course if you have to route it longer distances out
2016-03-13T15:18:27 < kakimir> would be cool
2016-03-13T15:19:01 < zyp> huh?
2016-03-13T15:19:07 < zyp> wtf are you asking?
2016-03-13T15:19:24 < kakimir> it's merely a question
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2016-03-13T15:19:44 < zyp> but what is the question?
2016-03-13T15:20:03 < kakimir> *barelly
2016-03-13T15:20:57 < zyp> are you not going to use a pcb-mount rj45-jack?
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2016-03-13T15:21:26 < kakimir> true
2016-03-13T15:23:05 < zyp> uh, then what are you going to use?
2016-03-13T15:23:51 < dongs> he wants a "4 pin JST-SH" to the RJ45 somewehre else
2016-03-13T15:24:40 < dongs> I did this in a design but thats because customer was providing a PoE module and the RJ45 was actually a captive connector that plugged the device in
2016-03-13T15:24:56 < dongs> so my shit was just connecting ethernet pairs to poe shit.
2016-03-13T15:25:10 < zyp> if I had to mount the connector in a weird way, I would probably put it on a sub-pcb somewhere, and then you could still use whatever magjack
2016-03-13T15:25:19 < dongs> ^ that
2016-03-13T15:26:32 < dongs> and run FPC cable or some wire loom shit
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2016-03-13T15:28:53 < ReadError> if you need 4 pins
2016-03-13T15:28:57 < ReadError> use a fuckin RJ11
2016-03-13T15:30:24 < zyp> haha, wat
2016-03-13T15:30:54 < zyp> that sounds dumb in all ways I can imagine you meant it
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2016-03-13T15:34:28 < kakimir> the original question was if https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeTVfRE14MnRPMmc/view?usp=sharing this was okay and if it would matter to leave those 2 pairs out
2016-03-13T15:34:57 < kakimir> answer: just use magjack mr. autism
2016-03-13T15:35:05 < kakimir> :]
2016-03-13T15:35:50 < ReadError> zyp whys that
2016-03-13T15:35:59 < kakimir> but I do it like it says in this sheet
2016-03-13T15:36:03 < FatalNIX> OH NO!
2016-03-13T15:36:08 < FatalNIX> I have a socket ReadError
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2016-03-13T15:39:19 < kakimir> hmm.. have cut under mcu and place bypasses in the cuts
2016-03-13T15:39:56 < kakimir> makes no sense.. bypasses are not that high I should do that
2016-03-13T15:40:17 < dongs> ...
2016-03-13T15:41:48 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/cadyYGX.jpg
2016-03-13T15:48:30 < kakimir> :] I try not to crack for that pic
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2016-03-13T15:55:03 < Laurenceb_> typical /pol/ gathering http://8ch.net/pol/src/1457738728527.webm
2016-03-13T15:57:19 < Sync_> the fuck is habbening there
2016-03-13T15:58:32 < dongs> Sync_: kakimir thinking of cutting slots in PCB to put bypass capacitors in them under the TQFP
2016-03-13T15:58:43 < Sync_> noice
2016-03-13T15:59:01 < Sync_> obv pro
2016-03-13T15:59:01 < Laurenceb_> lulwhy
2016-03-13T15:59:10 < dongs> to save space obicvosuly
2016-03-13T15:59:24 < kakimir> pcb house wont agree with my plan
2016-03-13T16:01:33 < BrainDamage> maybe one day you'll be recognized as visionary
2016-03-13T16:02:04 < BrainDamage> or more realistically, you could realize planar design exists for a reason
2016-03-13T16:03:18 < kakimir> it's not my idea to embed components
2016-03-13T16:03:28 < kakimir> they actually do that
2016-03-13T16:06:10 < dongs> lol astonerberg is working for ioactive now
2016-03-13T16:06:22 < dongs> the same place that hired that scammer chris
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2016-03-13T16:10:17 < Laurenceb_> chris chan?
2016-03-13T16:10:50 < dongs> yes you STUPID FUCKING KIKE
2016-03-13T16:11:30 < Laurenceb_> http://www.reaxxion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/OnNb4n81.jpg
2016-03-13T16:14:17 < Tectu> who's chris chan?
2016-03-13T16:15:41 < artag> bloke who does kung fu movies ?
2016-03-13T16:16:26 < Laurenceb_> thats chris chan
2016-03-13T16:16:47 < Laurenceb_> sonichu.com/  <- chris chan wiki
2016-03-13T16:17:51 < dongs> With the help of Andrew Zonenberg, a researcher with security firm IOActive, here's how ABC News described the process:
2016-03-13T16:17:54 < dongs> haha
2016-03-13T16:17:57 < dongs> researcher
2016-03-13T16:17:59 < dongs> more like fucking irc poser
2016-03-13T16:18:09 < dongs> i wonder how much cock did he suck to get that "job"
2016-03-13T16:18:14 < Laurenceb_> lol @ 26 February
2016-03-13T16:18:40 < FatalNIX> getting a job in research is pretty simple and easy
2016-03-13T16:18:50 < zyp> ReadError, because I can't see any way to justify using rj11 with a nonstandard pinout
2016-03-13T16:19:12 < ReadError> hows that any different than using a rj45?
2016-03-13T16:19:21 < ReadError> besides less pins
2016-03-13T16:19:46 < FatalNIX> RJ11?! how many possible configurations could you have?! lol
2016-03-13T16:20:03 < FatalNIX> I'm sure there's a standard for every pssible configuration of an rj11
2016-03-13T16:20:08 < FatalNIX> thought possible
2016-03-13T16:20:58 < FatalNIX> RJ11 is kind of dump though
2016-03-13T16:21:16 < zyp> ReadError, ethernet have a standardized pinout for rj45
2016-03-13T16:21:25 < zyp> that's the difference
2016-03-13T16:21:32 < FatalNIX> the only thing I see RJ11 used for these days is HAM radio head detatchments
2016-03-13T16:21:34 < ReadError> zyp hes not using that though
2016-03-13T16:21:40 < ReadError> he needs a 4 wire connector
2016-03-13T16:22:00 < FatalNIX> rj45 has TONS of standard pinouts
2016-03-13T16:22:01 < BrainDamage> here rj11 is used for pots phone links
2016-03-13T16:22:03 < FatalNIX> for different purposes
2016-03-13T16:22:15 < zyp> ReadError, exactly, so why use that kind of connector at all?
2016-03-13T16:22:19 < FatalNIX> ethernet is only one of them :0
2016-03-13T16:22:29 < ReadError> idk
2016-03-13T16:22:56 < FatalNIX> what you need is a centronics connector
2016-03-13T16:22:57 < FatalNIX> :)
2016-03-13T16:23:24 < FatalNIX> https://www.c2g.com/uk/static/content/images/resources/connector-guides/450/060_36pin_centronics_m_iso.jpg
2016-03-13T16:24:52 < FatalNIX> but no RJ11 has been used for a lot of non standard things
2016-03-13T16:25:27 < FatalNIX> besides the fact that rj11 is a poor choice for something reasonably sturdy, they are not too bad
2016-03-13T16:25:43 < lorenzo> anyone with a baidu account? need to get a file :/
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2016-03-13T16:26:08 < qyx> isn't RJ11/12/45/etc actually the wiring standard?
2016-03-13T16:26:12 < qyx> and not the connector itself?
2016-03-13T16:26:38 < lorenzo> I think CATx is the wiring standard
2016-03-13T16:26:41 < lorenzo> tia/eia something
2016-03-13T16:26:49 < FatalNIX> well RJ stands for registered jack iirc
2016-03-13T16:26:54 < FatalNIX> so maybe
2016-03-13T16:27:03 < FatalNIX> but I just call it the rj11 connector lol
2016-03-13T16:27:46 < FatalNIX> YEP!
2016-03-13T16:28:05 < FatalNIX> it's actually called a 6P4C connector
2016-03-13T16:28:46 < FatalNIX> 6 something 4 conductor I'm assuming..
2016-03-13T16:28:58 < qyx> 6 positions, 4 conductors
2016-03-13T16:28:58 < lorenzo> poles?
2016-03-13T16:29:00 < lorenzo> ah
2016-03-13T16:29:20 < FatalNIX> maybe
2016-03-13T16:30:18 < FatalNIX> huh
2016-03-13T16:30:38 < FatalNIX> cat5 ethernet uses an 8P8C
2016-03-13T16:31:22 < FatalNIX> and to classify them with an actual connector type you can suffix "modular connector", which apparently comes from old novel netware setups or some shit
2016-03-13T16:34:38 < FatalNIX> interesting. Cat7 (STP) is GG45, wherever the hell that name came from
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2016-03-13T16:43:54 < FatalNIX> yeah
2016-03-13T16:44:07 < FatalNIX> just an odd name
2016-03-13T17:01:49 < lorenzo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytS2HtUiER0
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2016-03-13T17:10:14 < qyx> when doing embedded stuff, are you using some kind of "list library"?
2016-03-13T17:10:38 < qyx> something that allows static preallocation of a maximum number of items in a list
2016-03-13T17:10:57 < qyx> and then somehow enables you to search and retrieve items
2016-03-13T17:11:16 < dongs> qyx, i generally steal list stuff from glib1.x
2016-03-13T17:11:23 < dongs> they have nice and simple single/double/etc linked lists
2016-03-13T17:11:29 < dongs> and you can write your own allocators (or use preallocated)
2016-03-13T17:13:38 < dongs> BREAKING: For no apparent reason, at least 10 gunmen, armed with machine guns, open fire at a beach resort near a hotel in the coastal city Grand-Bassam of Ivory Coast; multiple deaths, described as 'executions', have been reported
2016-03-13T17:13:42 < dongs> whats ivory coast? niggers?
2016-03-13T17:14:11 < dongs> there's your reason
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2016-03-13T17:20:52 < qyx> I havw found this http://sglib.sourceforge.net/
2016-03-13T17:21:13 < dongs> hah no
2016-03-13T17:21:16 < dongs> too many caps
2016-03-13T17:21:19 < dongs> sounds like its #defines
2016-03-13T17:21:20 < dongs> fuck that
2016-03-13T17:21:37 < dongs> First, Sglib is using particular naming conventions. All variables defined inside macros begins and ends with _ (underscore). As it is unusual to use such names in normal code this reduces the risk of conflicts
2016-03-13T17:21:41 < dongs> oh god
2016-03-13T17:21:44 < dongs> fuck no
2016-03-13T17:21:46 < dongs> dont want undebuggable multi-line macro trash
2016-03-13T17:22:42 < dongs> haha
2016-03-13T17:22:44 < dongs> link goes to freshmeat
2016-03-13T17:22:49 < dongs> which is now freecode hwich is now dead
2016-03-13T17:26:45 < qyx> wat, marian vittek, bratislava
2016-03-13T17:26:48 < qyx> whos that
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2016-03-13T17:27:02 < qyx> https://github.com/stefanct/sglib/blob/master/sglib.h
2016-03-13T17:27:29 < lorenzo>       if (comparator(((a)[_m_]), ((a)[_l_])) < 0) _m_ = _l_;\
2016-03-13T17:27:31 < lorenzo> why
2016-03-13T17:27:54 < lorenzo> all macro
2016-03-13T17:28:06 < dongs> haha, no, just fucking no.
2016-03-13T17:29:10 < qyx> Another Useless Architecture (AUA) is a RISC microprocessor architecture
2016-03-13T17:29:11 < qyx> lol
2016-03-13T17:32:10 < Laurenceb_> http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/3316/3273/original.jpg?w=800&h
2016-03-13T17:32:39 < dongs> lol'd
2016-03-13T17:35:06 < qyx> what the hell seriously, 50 line macros
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2016-03-13T18:30:15 < Steffanx> Information on GargantuaSauce (account GargantuaSauce); Last seen  : Jan 14 22:45:50 2016 (8w 2d 17h ago)
2016-03-13T18:30:19 < Steffanx> WHAT DID YOU do TO HIM?
2016-03-13T18:30:43 < Steffanx> I miss my daily dose of uncommon english words.
2016-03-13T18:36:37 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-03-13T18:36:49 < Laurenceb_> some people from my school are in Syria
2016-03-13T18:36:56 < Laurenceb_> hopefully they get blown up
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2016-03-13T18:44:13 < englishman> i think thé bridge to PEI blew up severing the food supply coming from the mainland
2016-03-13T18:54:55 < Getty> I must say, i am a bit surprised to see epson on the glasses market http://www.amazon.de/Epson-intelligente-Multimedia-Brille-Polysilizium-TFT-Aktivmatrix-LCD-Display/dp/B00LWWTSSU/ref=sr_1_15 ;)
2016-03-13T18:56:15 < dongs> epson did some 3d glasses ages ago
2016-03-13T18:56:21 < dongs> before anyone even was doing it
2016-03-13T18:56:23 < artag> why? they've always been big in LCDs. Or was that seiko-epson ?
2016-03-13T18:57:10 < Sync_> well they are a .jp megacorp
2016-03-13T18:57:14 < Sync_> so they do everythingâ„¢
2016-03-13T18:57:17 < Sync_> by design
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2016-03-13T19:39:40 < dekar> dongs, "PS. Thanks for the chips go to dongs from irc." :D
2016-03-13T19:40:29 < dekar> That's quite cool, thanks for helping to make that happen. http://zeptobars.com/en/read/GD32F103CBT6-mcm-serial-flash-Giga-Devices
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2016-03-13T20:10:10 < kakimir> please blow up. sincerely, your classmate laurence
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2016-03-13T20:30:55 < Steffanx> *old classmate. Harry is no longer studying.
2016-03-13T20:31:02 < Steffanx> Full grown wizzard now
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2016-03-13T20:50:27 < karlp> qyx: you can always include bsd's queue.h in your code. for lists and queues and fifos and shitz
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2016-03-13T21:43:52 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8HO6hba9ZE
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2016-03-13T21:46:04 < Steffanx> kakimir on drugs?
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2016-03-13T21:46:27 < kakimir> I'm on internet
2016-03-13T21:49:13 < Steffanx> internet is the new drugs?
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2016-03-13T21:52:05 < kakimir> https://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/m00/780540115.jpg it was around millenia I think
2016-03-13T21:54:06 < Steffanx> lol finnishland
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2016-03-13T21:57:21 < kakimir> team fortress was good before it was source based game
2016-03-13T21:58:00 < kakimir> enemy territory mod called team fortress
2016-03-13T22:00:27 < Steffanx> The best enemy territory mod is still: TrueCombat:Elite.
2016-03-13T22:00:28 < kakimir> *enemy territory fortress
2016-03-13T22:01:04 < kakimir> it was nice and then it wasn't anymore
2016-03-13T22:01:21 < Steffanx> Yep, same with that game. Played it for over 10 years. :O
2016-03-13T22:01:22 < kakimir> everybody left
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2016-03-13T22:05:31 < kakimir> I think I tried TC:E one day
2016-03-13T22:05:51 < kakimir> and it wasn't that good looking I remembered it
2016-03-13T22:11:31 < Steffanx> it had the best graphics one could get from the engine kakimir
2016-03-13T22:12:55 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/9VZtfN8.jpg
2016-03-13T22:14:28 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex4g6n8uFuw
2016-03-13T22:14:59 < Steffanx> its much CS alike, but different
2016-03-13T22:16:25 < Steffanx> and currently played by 5 people over the entire world. LOL D:
2016-03-13T22:17:16 < kakimir> those are most likely bots
2016-03-13T22:17:26 < Steffanx> nope, real players
2016-03-13T22:20:47 < Laurenceb_> how can i find where my bss is being used?
2016-03-13T22:21:07 < Laurenceb_> is there any utility which will break it down by source file?
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2016-03-13T22:22:22 < Laurenceb_> objdump and look at symbol table?
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2016-03-13T22:31:12 < Laurenceb_> this doesnt make any sense :-/
2016-03-13T22:31:36 < Laurenceb_> objdump is saying data+bss is ~7k, which is what I expected
2016-03-13T22:31:45 < Sync_> oh wat Steffanx
2016-03-13T22:31:52 < Laurenceb_> arm-none-eabi-size main.elf
2016-03-13T22:31:52 < Laurenceb_>    text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
2016-03-13T22:31:52 < Laurenceb_>   55696	   2564	  13052	  71312	  11690	main.elf
2016-03-13T22:31:56 < Sync_> TC:E was awesome when it was around
2016-03-13T22:32:17 < Laurenceb_> 20001d04 <_susrstack>:  <- wtf
2016-03-13T22:39:54 < kakimir> I played it with 800mhz machine
2016-03-13T22:40:18 < kakimir> obiviously with little bit beefier AGP card
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2016-03-13T22:54:13 < Steffanx> it is still aroundish Sync_ :P
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2016-03-13T22:58:47 < Steffanx> but yeah, for many it did a few years ago
2016-03-13T23:13:17 < kakimir> how much fun is 0.8mm BGA?
2016-03-13T23:13:27 < kakimir> 100pin
2016-03-13T23:13:32 < kakimir> 10x10mm
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2016-03-13T23:18:44 < kakimir> should I connect PHY interrupt output to some specific pin?
2016-03-13T23:21:19 < kakimir> just any interrupt enabled GPIO?
2016-03-13T23:21:22 < kakimir> I think
2016-03-13T23:24:40 < kakimir> doing ethernet block for design is propably one of the most easiest tasks
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2016-03-13T23:27:26 < kakimir> rmii is just cute
2016-03-13T23:27:55 < ds2> rgmii
2016-03-13T23:28:19 < Steffanx> i dont think stm32 does that.
2016-03-13T23:29:11 < kakimir> there is no purpose to have such
2016-03-13T23:30:01 < kakimir> I think I'm going to receive my paycheck at midnight
2016-03-13T23:30:03 < Steffanx> no purpuse?
2016-03-13T23:30:05 < Steffanx> ose
2016-03-13T23:30:22 < kakimir> then I nite ride to snack place
2016-03-13T23:31:22 < kakimir> ose?
2016-03-13T23:31:29 < kakimir> purpose*
2016-03-13T23:32:16 < Steffanx> You spend the few bucks you have on snacks kakimir? Such waste
2016-03-13T23:32:28 < kakimir> such waster
2016-03-13T23:32:45 < kakimir> at least I don't by cigarettes anymore
2016-03-13T23:33:04 < Steffanx> quit smoking?
2016-03-13T23:33:27 < kakimir> just buying
2016-03-13T23:33:41 < kakimir> I bum smoke
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2016-03-13T23:35:17 < Steffanx> from your neighbours 5km away?
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2016-03-13T23:35:30 < kakimir> actually 10km
2016-03-13T23:35:40 < kakimir> I don't really visit every day
2016-03-13T23:36:22 < kakimir> also kids hanging out outside store
2016-03-13T23:36:36 < kakimir> like I knew them
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2016-03-13T23:38:53 < kakimir> sometimes I do
2016-03-13T23:38:55 < Steffanx> time to start subohming
2016-03-13T23:41:24 < kakimir> I don't know if I really should
2016-03-13T23:41:57 < kakimir> you start to live that thing on your mouth
2016-03-13T23:44:15 < kakimir> or with subohm propably not
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2016-03-13T23:50:47 < kakimir> is CRS_WKUP for and just for some WOL event?
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2016-03-13T23:58:25 < kakimir> no.. I don't go snack place
2016-03-13T23:58:44 < kakimir> I need to save to pcbs
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2016-03-14T01:09:46 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Equine
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2016-03-14T01:31:27 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-03-14T01:32:36 < dongs> fucking garbage assdroid media player cant play 2048x encode, freezes at random
2016-03-14T01:35:00 < boB_K7IQ> Well the android isn't REALLY a real computer is the way that I look at it
2016-03-14T01:35:40 < boB_K7IQ> Their stupidified for the majority
2016-03-14T01:35:44 < boB_K7IQ> they're
2016-03-14T01:43:25 < Laurenceb_> holy shit http://science.slashdot.org/story/16/03/13/2152215/nasa-begins-planning-the-first-human-mission-to-cislunar-space
2016-03-14T01:43:42 < Laurenceb_> I expected lulz but slashdot exceeded expectations
2016-03-14T01:43:46 < dongs> it doesnt fucking matter
2016-03-14T01:44:14 < dongs> the fuck is cislunar
2016-03-14T01:44:30 < Laurenceb_> check your privilege
2016-03-14T01:44:50 < Laurenceb_> http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/s4s/images/0/0a/Die-cis-scum.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140316044801
2016-03-14T01:51:48 < Laurenceb_> right back to work
2016-03-14T01:52:03 < Laurenceb_> I need a scrolling display for my equine project
2016-03-14T01:52:08 < Laurenceb_> the equine
2016-03-14T01:52:15 < Laurenceb_> one unit of horse
2016-03-14T01:53:01 < Laurenceb_> wondering if I should use python or something...
2016-03-14T01:53:06 < Laurenceb_> inb4 labview
2016-03-14T01:53:19 < BrainDamage> i'd use python only to trigger dongs
2016-03-14T01:53:51 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-03-14T01:57:05 < Laurenceb_> does py2exe actually work?
2016-03-14T01:57:21 < dongs> if by "work" you mean "makes a 30meg .exe with all python garabge inside included" then yes
2016-03-14T01:57:29 < Laurenceb_> heh ok
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2016-03-14T01:57:37 < englishman> heard r2com description today, 'slavaboo'
2016-03-14T01:57:39 < Laurenceb_> yeah i need a simple exe I can email to users
2016-03-14T01:58:24 < dongs> newfinancialreport.pdf.exe
2016-03-14T01:59:26 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-14T01:59:38 < Laurenceb_> maybe I could get away with matplotlib
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2016-03-14T02:05:30 < Laurenceb_> https://gist.github.com/electronut/d5e5f68c610821e311b0
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2016-03-14T02:05:39 < Laurenceb_> When the sensor data changes, I'll wait 10 seconds. Then it changes.
2016-03-14T02:05:41 < Laurenceb_> so pro
2016-03-14T02:06:21 < englishman> 0.1Hz horse telemetry
2016-03-14T02:08:55 < Laurenceb_> holy shit http://imgur.com/ruOoeut
2016-03-14T02:08:58 < Laurenceb_> epic dramaz
2016-03-14T02:09:05 < lorenzo> god I hate 1-wire
2016-03-14T02:09:41 < Laurenceb_> lul 1-wire is more fail than i2c
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2016-03-14T02:10:00 < englishman> it says 1wire but they forgot ground
2016-03-14T02:11:09 < Laurenceb_> wire 7 inside job
2016-03-14T02:11:52 < dongs> Another boondoggle in the making.  A waste of taxpayer dollars.  Open your eyes and see the millions being burned away.  And all for the wasteland that is Mars.
2016-03-14T02:12:49 < Laurenceb_> nice troll
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2016-03-14T02:38:00 < dongs> why you gotta pump
2016-03-14T02:39:24 < dongs> im not your pal
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2016-03-14T02:45:31 < Laurenceb_> this looks slightly more pro http://scipy-cookbook.readthedocs.org/items/Matplotlib_ScrollingPlot.html
2016-03-14T02:51:38 < dongs> except for "py" in uyrl
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2016-03-14T02:58:49 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/Cj4UXcY
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2016-03-14T03:02:55 < dongs> youre just jealous hes gonna be the next president
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2016-03-14T03:11:17 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/Wjdfx1O
2016-03-14T03:11:19 < Laurenceb_> confirmed
2016-03-14T03:11:59 < PeterM> i dont see anyting baout hl3
2016-03-14T03:21:59 < dongs> a girl i know tweeted me screenshots of this facebook post that was obvious fanfic by some /pol/ retard about how he went to a trump rally and got beaten up. she thought it was serious and trump is such a bad person. lol.
2016-03-14T03:23:10 < dongs> yea no idea
2016-03-14T03:25:37 < dongs> stupid americans should welcome anyone who wants to clean america up from muslims
2016-03-14T03:29:56 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TMZX80I/
2016-03-14T03:34:46 < dongs> TPS63020 looks great
2016-03-14T03:35:31 < dongs> gonna power up my dildo
2016-03-14T03:40:52 < PeterM> dongs check out the isl91110
2016-03-14T03:41:24 < PeterM> it's cheaper than tps and smalelr than TPS, if your process can handle it
2016-03-14T03:42:46 < dongs> 0.4 pitch dsbga? well, only if im bored
2016-03-14T03:42:47 < dongs> and not that bored.
2016-03-14T03:43:01 < PeterM> because off ball layout iirc it can be done on 6/6
2016-03-14T03:43:06 < dongs> ya
2016-03-14T03:43:10 < dongs> saw that
2016-03-14T03:43:14 < PeterM> its just placement
2016-03-14T03:43:40 < dongs> you dont need anything special to route it
2016-03-14T03:43:46 < PeterM> mmhm
2016-03-14T03:43:49 < dongs> the only signals you ened to breakout are on outer balls
2016-03-14T03:44:27 < dongs> rusure ISL91110
2016-03-14T03:44:30 < dongs> is cheaper than TPS
2016-03-14T03:44:35 < dongs> its like 93c in samples
2016-03-14T03:44:40 < dongs> i dont even see china having ISL stuff
2016-03-14T03:45:46 < PeterM> i was going but USA prices not .cn, .us its quite a bit cheaper from distributors
2016-03-14T03:45:59 < PeterM> but yer, .cn probably has tps cheaper
2016-03-14T03:46:02 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/cx53K4J
2016-03-14T03:46:09 < Laurenceb_> I don't know wtf is going on
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2016-03-14T03:47:38 < Laurenceb_> https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=wxpython
2016-03-14T03:47:49 < Laurenceb_> www.wxpython.org/ This site may be hacked.
2016-03-14T03:47:54 < Laurenceb_> luling
2016-03-14T03:48:06 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/T0e5ne0.jpg
2016-03-14T03:48:29 < dongs> fuck
2016-03-14T03:48:31 < dongs> isl is cheaper
2016-03-14T03:48:35 < dongs> and is available
2016-03-14T03:49:11 < dongs> i liek it cuz i dont need resistors to set 3.3V
2016-03-14T03:55:24 < dongs> PeterM: oh did your keyclone shit showe up?
2016-03-14T03:55:39 < dongs> i forgot when that was uspposed to arrive
2016-03-14T03:56:10 < PeterM> uhh, let me check
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2016-03-14T03:56:59 < PeterM> maybe, let me check
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2016-03-14T03:59:49 < PeterM> nah, not yet, probably tomorrow or wedneday
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2016-03-14T04:07:26 < dongs> mkay
2016-03-14T04:07:33 < dongs> lookin forward to 5star review
2016-03-14T04:07:57 < dongs> "product significantly better than described"
2016-03-14T04:08:22 < PeterM> aaa+++ 5 star would buy again professional seller, no fuss, well packed
2016-03-14T04:08:30 < PeterM> wait this isnt ebay
2016-03-14T04:08:40 < dongs> wrapped 9000 times with yellow tape
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2016-03-14T04:10:32 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/QXU0Qeb.jpg no idea what your talking about >.>
2016-03-14T04:11:05 < dongs> haha
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2016-03-14T04:11:56 < Sync_> yeah srs
2016-03-14T04:12:33 < Sync_> the amount of bubblewrap, cling foil and yellow tape the average chinacloner has to go through...
2016-03-14T04:12:54 < dongs> ahaha :)
2016-03-14T04:14:51 < Sync_> I always wonder what tape that stuff is, compared to the regular shipping tape it is quite thick
2016-03-14T04:14:56 < Sync_> and why is it ... yellow
2016-03-14T04:15:15 < dongs> i think some of it might be provided free by some local courier
2016-03-14T04:15:23 < dongs> chinagirl usually uses insane amounts of SF-branded tape
2016-03-14T04:15:38 < dongs> maybe t he rule is , if you ship by that courier you gotta use their tape
2016-03-14T04:17:03 < PeterM> i think also, cardboard can  rip[/tear but tape is much harder to
2016-03-14T04:18:56 < Sync_> we ship a lot of stuff internationally, and never had the parcel fail
2016-03-14T04:19:12 < Sync_> but we are using high quality double layer cartons
2016-03-14T04:19:58 < PeterM> and probably arent going through the high quality package throwers that populate the chinese package distribution networks
2016-03-14T04:20:40 < dongs> yeah i order yellow padded envelopes from china ebay
2016-03-14T04:20:46 < dongs> and they come in a box thats crushed in every possible corner
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2016-03-14T04:21:00 < dongs> "big box? oh, we gotta kick that shit around first"
2016-03-14T04:23:05 < Sync_> probably because it is a shitty chian box
2016-03-14T04:23:25 < Sync_> PeterM: well they are going through international quality package throwers
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2016-03-14T04:58:21 < dongs> R2COM: yea, use windows 10
2016-03-14T04:59:49 < dongs> win10 is just absolutely great
2016-03-14T05:02:04 < dongs> R2COM: gvim trashed two ~30gb files for me
2016-03-14T05:02:26 < dongs> tried opening them, I know in old version I could just ctrl+c it while it was opening to load it readonly
2016-03-14T05:02:32 < dongs> i just wanted to take a look at start of file
2016-03-14T05:02:47 < dongs> i guess they're using 32bit fileopen or wahtever and it just truncated the shit to zero
2016-03-14T05:02:51 < dongs> gg
2016-03-14T05:05:33 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fBmrYzQUU4 japan
2016-03-14T05:06:24 < talsit> can confirm, we do this routine 3 times a day in the office
2016-03-14T05:07:22 < talsit> ad? it's not an ad, it's what people do, just for excersice
2016-03-14T05:08:48 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zLQ85la9pHo
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2016-03-14T05:13:28 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/Bozjp0E attn dongs
2016-03-14T05:14:46 < Laurenceb_> they accidentally the first and second laws
2016-03-14T05:15:42 < dongs> wat
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2016-03-14T06:31:30 < dongs> yes, win8, 8.1, 10 can do it
2016-03-14T06:31:47 < dongs> no, not OS that is almost fucking EOL/nonsupported
2016-03-14T06:32:20 < dongs> actually win7 IS eol
2016-03-14T06:32:23 < dongs> for mainstream support
2016-03-14T06:32:25 < dongs> since jan 2015
2016-03-14T06:32:44 < Sync_> not pro
2016-03-14T06:33:01 < dongs> sync, yes pro
2016-03-14T06:33:33 < PeterM> dongs i japanese fashion trend setter
2016-03-14T06:34:39 < lcd> join the botnet
2016-03-14T06:34:58 < lcd> i am crt upgraded
2016-03-14T06:35:07 < PeterM> R2COM, just pirate the enterprise version ,it has lots of the consumer botnet removed
2016-03-14T06:35:10 < dongs> R2COM: pop in new SSD, install win10, forget you ever used win7
2016-03-14T06:35:14 < lcd> k
2016-03-14T06:35:20 < lcd> that's not very nice
2016-03-14T06:35:36 < lcd> windows 10 mate
2016-03-14T06:35:53 < PeterM> window 10 freebie version has pretty bad microsoft privacy phone home shit
2016-03-14T06:36:03 < dongs> R2COM: nothing goes wrong, but who the fuck upgrades OS
2016-03-14T06:36:07 < lcd> freebie version?
2016-03-14T06:36:13 < dongs> i even do clean reinstall of shit every year or sro
2016-03-14T06:36:28 < dongs> why? just keep the new fuckign ssd
2016-03-14T06:36:32 < dongs> its probably better than your odl shit anyway.
2016-03-14T06:36:40 < dongs> and all your garbage gamez and shit are on a spinning rust drive anyway
2016-03-14T06:36:45 < dongs> so you can just run those as usual
2016-03-14T06:36:45 < lcd> lol
2016-03-14T06:38:06 < lcd> ok
2016-03-14T06:39:06 < lcd> PeterM, by freebie version do you mean unactivated copy??
2016-03-14T06:39:32 < PeterM> no, i mean the copy of w10 oyu get for free when you upgrade windows 7/8/8.1
2016-03-14T06:39:41 < lcd> so its cucked?
2016-03-14T06:39:51 < PeterM> yeah mang, it's full of shit
2016-03-14T06:39:52 < lcd> and different from one you buy???
2016-03-14T06:40:07 < lcd> i'll keep that in mind, never used an upgrade copy however
2016-03-14T06:40:15 < PeterM> it is a bit different yes, the retail version has less data colelction
2016-03-14T06:40:24 < lcd> how about OEM copy
2016-03-14T06:40:24 < PeterM> R2COM, depends
2016-03-14T06:40:32 < PeterM> OEM no
2016-03-14T06:40:54 < PeterM> the type of pirate windows 7
2016-03-14T06:41:18 < PeterM> if you have oem bios emulation activated pirate windows 7 it will work, or may work, but if oyu have KMS pirated windows 7 it wont
2016-03-14T06:42:40 < PeterM> no that may come up but you may not be able to activate
2016-03-14T06:43:08 < lcd> mm
2016-03-14T06:43:25 < dongs> the one youret eligible to free upgrade
2016-03-14T06:43:34 < dongs> and/or the key for which you can buy off ebay
2016-03-14T06:44:23 < PeterM> downlaod win10 N LTSB enterprise from MSDN, download picokms from MDL. if you wanna buy, you can't really buy enterprise n edition :(
2016-03-14T06:45:19 < PeterM> which ever is cheaper
2016-03-14T06:45:48 < dongs> i got pro because io need rdp
2016-03-14T06:46:18 < PeterM> iirc it doesnt pass VTd
2016-03-14T06:46:20 < lcd> remote dong protocol
2016-03-14T06:46:25 < PeterM> MSTSC
2016-03-14T06:46:42 < lcd> grit.
2016-03-14T06:47:52 < lcd> fuck yeah
2016-03-14T06:48:10 < lcd> it's pumped 2 the max
2016-03-14T06:50:23 < lcd> i beg your pardon
2016-03-14T06:50:46 < lcd> well do it
2016-03-14T06:51:17 < lcd> R2COM,
2016-03-14T06:51:42 < lcd> cause. think idiot.
2016-03-14T06:54:24 < lcd> {"
2016-03-14T06:55:20 < PeterM> retail versions you can more your installs
2016-03-14T06:55:27 < PeterM> move
2016-03-14T06:55:37 < PeterM> oem versions oyu cant
2016-03-14T06:55:39 < lcd> PeterM, you're australian look out he may bite
2016-03-14T06:57:00 < PeterM> if you choose buy, then yes, it will probably be retail
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2016-03-14T06:57:48 < PeterM> oem is ususally only able to be bought if oyu buy it with hardware (or from a 3rd party who doesnt give a fuck)
2016-03-14T07:04:11 < PeterM> (or from a 3rd party who doesnt give a fuck)
2016-03-14T07:04:27 < PeterM> crt clearly they dont give a fuck
2016-03-14T07:04:43 < PeterM> i think if you buy form microsoft website they probably care about their own lisence
2016-03-14T07:10:16 < PeterM> iirc most places jsut sell bits of rubbish hardware with oem copies, like bad ram for 50c + oem copy
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2016-03-14T08:48:41 < Lemming> Hola all
2016-03-14T08:50:31 < Lemming> wow... is stm's site kinda broken for anyone else?
2016-03-14T08:50:53 < jpa-> always
2016-03-14T08:52:29 < dongs> when is st site not broken
2016-03-14T08:52:50 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/en/press/p3802
2016-03-14T08:53:54 < PeterM> wut
2016-03-14T08:54:27 < dongs> its prety cool, it was 32k limited before
2016-03-14T08:54:50 < PeterM> "STMicroelectronics Adds One More Reason to Choose STM8 Microcontrollers" sounds suspiciously like "Blizzard Patches Diablo 2"
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2016-03-14T09:00:01 < dongs> ...
2016-03-14T09:00:05 < dongs> they're free you fucktardf
2016-03-14T09:00:08 < dongs> it says right in that link
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2016-03-14T09:07:06 < dongs> < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/en/press/p3802
2016-03-14T09:07:14 < dongs> too stoned
2016-03-14T09:07:27 < PeterM> nah he conveniently dc as you linked it
2016-03-14T09:08:14 < dongs> right
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2016-03-14T09:13:46 < PeterM> eyoo dingle, package rocked up, time to open and check
2016-03-14T09:13:51 < dongs> nice
2016-03-14T09:14:12 < PeterM> super yellow tape too
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2016-03-14T09:19:24 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Prototype-PCB/
2016-03-14T09:19:26 < dongs> haha
2016-03-14T09:19:37 < dongs> he wants somethign that takes a mipi-csi camera input for $250
2016-03-14T09:20:10 < PeterM> just link him $250 chinasmartphone
2016-03-14T09:22:26 < ReadError> To be considered for the project you must find a datasheet for a VB6955CM camera module, review the following datasheet ([url removed, login to view]), find a 5" touchscreen w/datasheet from adafruit, mouser, or digi-key, and select a processor that you will uses and allow you to send picture and video data to the touchscreen. Once you've done this provide me an estimate on how long it'd take
2016-03-14T09:22:26 < ReadError> you to create a schemtic with these componets. I will then chat with you to confirm you've found the datasheet and your choice of processor and touchscreen.
2016-03-14T09:22:26 < ReadError> I've already done everything I'm asking you to do to be considered for the project. This test is to ensure you have the skills I am looking for.
2016-03-14T09:22:28 < ReadError> looooool
2016-03-14T09:24:29 < qyx> uhm
2016-03-14T09:25:20 < ReadError> this site is retarded
2016-03-14T09:25:47 < ReadError> 30-250$ and people expect way too much
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2016-03-14T09:27:29 < ReadError> you never see anyone from USA bidding on these things
2016-03-14T09:28:08 < PeterM> yeah, for 30-250 i wouldnt even do a tarduino shield unless it was super basic
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2016-03-14T09:32:59 < dongs> the problem is
2016-03-14T09:33:13 < dongs> anything that will have csi input (like rageberry) is already out of his budget for "prototype pcb"
2016-03-14T09:33:19 < dongs> unless he uses rageberry zero or something
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2016-03-14T09:33:34 < dongs> not to mention that you cant actually get datasheets + shit to make that board yourself
2016-03-14T09:34:26 < dongs> oh SAMAD5 has mipi
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2016-03-14T09:34:28 < dongs> well okay
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2016-03-14T09:38:16 < Fleck> ;p
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2016-03-14T10:01:34 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/a/5nycX dongs
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2016-03-14T10:07:28 < PeterM> the single one is a bit distorted i think this may be because it was on the edge of the tray an hte box may have been hit, but it is still fine for sodlering and as seen the battery fits fine still too
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2016-03-14T10:29:21 < dongs> PeterM: looks good
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2016-03-14T10:35:45 < dongs> wiat
2016-03-14T10:35:54 < dongs> why does tha $250 thing have Verilog/VHDL in requirements lol
2016-03-14T10:36:32 < Lemming> ...?
2016-03-14T10:36:43 < dongs> < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Prototype-PCB/
2016-03-14T10:37:27 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/KiCad-PCB-component-footprint-design/ ohh found job for kikimir
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2016-03-14T11:21:07 < karlp> Laurenceb's horsey git repo includes the mercurial repo too?
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2016-03-14T11:24:14 < karlp> Laurenceb: I use kst2 for scrolling live plotting, so at least I don't have to code anything for it.
2016-03-14T11:26:28 < karlp> oh yeah, this is great, thanks peterm: http://imgur.com/T0e5ne0
2016-03-14T11:28:50 < dongs> ror
2016-03-14T11:35:08 < PeterM> kek
2016-03-14T11:40:11 < dongs> http://www.designingwithleds.com/simplify-simplify-tis-ac-led-driver-eliminates-magnetics/
2016-03-14T11:40:15 < dongs> retweeting
2016-03-14T11:42:41 < PeterM> nice, so as ac voltage cycles your leds look like absolute shit, jsust what we wanted!
2016-03-14T11:43:28 < Lemming> "These diodes allow the switches to close without discharging the capacitors, which allows continuous current flow in the LEDs. Thus the switches aren’t cutting out the LEDs, but rather switching out which bank is seeing the rectified voltage, and which bank is running off its storage capacitor."
2016-03-14T11:43:37 < Lemming> helps when you read the whole article PeterM :-P
2016-03-14T11:45:48 < PeterM> i see that, and i see the capacitor only being charged to Vfw of the led, and there beign no current regulation out of the capacitor into the led
2016-03-14T11:49:19 < zyp> so dimming the led will be through current regulation, not PWM
2016-03-14T11:49:33 < zyp> which people argue tends to change the color temperature of the light
2016-03-14T11:51:19 < karlp> people are pretty used to dimming changing colour temp anyway, why is that a problem?
2016-03-14T11:51:39 < karlp> it's onyl with leds that people even got to start thinking they could have expectations on colour temp...
2016-03-14T11:53:51 < zyp> not saying it's a problem, I'm just making an observation
2016-03-14T11:54:49 < jpa-> as far as i can tell, TPS92411 will make the leds flicker at 100Hz
2016-03-14T11:56:03 < Lemming> jpa-, doesn't look like they ever go to 0V though
2016-03-14T11:56:37 < zyp> Lemming, no, just ripple, which is a function of current draw vs cap size
2016-03-14T11:57:06 < Lemming> sure, but they're going to pulse at 100Hz, not flicker on/off at 100Hz
2016-03-14T11:58:09 < jpa-> but led current will drop a lot when the cap voltage drops e.g. just 0.5V; so seems either you'll have huge ripple or huge caps
2016-03-14T11:58:13 < PeterM> i wonder if you save any money wiht the extra caps + sot 23s + diodes
2016-03-14T11:58:32 < Lemming> PeterM, I think it's more about saving board space as compared to large magnetics
2016-03-14T11:58:57 < zyp> with those huge caps?
2016-03-14T11:59:08 < PeterM> at 23c @ 1ku jsut for the tps i think chinese magnetics are gonna win this one
2016-03-14T11:59:45 < PeterM> you have a minimum fixture size already Lemming, the thing has to be atleast big enough to fit in an edison socket or a bayonett socket
2016-03-14T12:00:07 < PeterM> and led lgihts can easily already have magnetics that fit in those
2016-03-14T12:00:55 < jpa-> nah, there are plenty of led applications that don't use legacy sockets
2016-03-14T12:01:13 < PeterM> sure but those still have boatlaods of room for the magnetics
2016-03-14T12:01:54 < PeterM> i mean, if you have room for dissipating whatever heat,  you have enough room for the powersupply
2016-03-14T12:03:06 < PeterM> at the minimum power requirements for no heatsink you would jsut use a capacitive dropper, and for anything bigger you need a heatsink so that is your main design constraight size wise, so you use normal magnetics
2016-03-14T12:04:57 < jpa-> yeah, doesn't seem like the magnetics would be a big problem
2016-03-14T12:05:08 < jpa-> especially as you can use a single inductor for a long chain of leds
2016-03-14T12:06:32 < ReadError> way old
2016-03-14T12:06:39 < PeterM> <crt> attn dongs dongs: https://i.imgur.com/tKzJ41R.gifv  -fixt
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2016-03-14T12:41:50 < ReadError> http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/cats-watching-people-eat-naomiuno-8.jpg
2016-03-14T12:41:54 < ReadError> lol the little cutouts
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2016-03-14T12:43:46 < ReadError> http://www.boredpanda.com/japanese-grumpy-cat-angry-koyuki-scottish-fold/
2016-03-14T12:50:06 < ReadError> http://gfycat.com/FrayedAromaticBrontosaurus
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2016-03-14T13:51:24 < englishman> should i upgrade to windows 7
2016-03-14T13:51:37 < jpa-> from gnu hurd? definitely.
2016-03-14T13:51:47 < englishman> it is latest newest operating system shipped from america to greatest slavbekistan
2016-03-14T13:52:42 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hf6ke1-i3E
2016-03-14T13:52:59 < qyx> any good source of lifepo4 accus?
2016-03-14T13:53:09 < englishman> accus?
2016-03-14T13:54:06 < jpa-> what size?
2016-03-14T13:54:20 < jpa-> ebike shops have some
2016-03-14T13:56:19 < PeterM> ReadError, i think the two wheeled ute/truck thing was shot twice because i see same shaped tire tracks on the road
2016-03-14T13:57:18 < englishman> PeterM, without clicking i can tell you every shot in that video was made 900 times
2016-03-14T13:57:48 < PeterM> englishman, sure it was practiced that many times but it would have onyl been shot once or twice opn location
2016-03-14T13:57:56 < PeterM> closing public roads costs money
2016-03-14T14:00:03 < PeterM> also, yeah, qyx, what size (physical and capacity)
2016-03-14T14:00:58 < qyx> I literraly searched the whole interwebs and I am not able to choose
2016-03-14T14:01:07 < qyx> 16 cells of under 10Ah
2016-03-14T14:01:23 < qyx> for a 48V power bank
2016-03-14T14:01:44 < qyx> I would go li-po if the charging wasn't as it is
2016-03-14T14:01:47 < PeterM> in that case, google "Headway lifepo4"
2016-03-14T14:01:57 < englishman> cant argue with that, the whole point of ken block is to spend extra money
2016-03-14T14:02:04 < jpa-> http://www.tme.eu/en/details/accu-3.2v-10ah/rechargeable-batteries/
2016-03-14T14:02:13 < qyx> http://www.ev-power.eu/WINA-30Ah-100Ah/WINA-LiFePO4-Power-3-2V-8Ah-aluminium-case.html
2016-03-14T14:02:18 < qyx> I was considering those
2016-03-14T14:02:22 < qyx> but out of stock
2016-03-14T14:02:44 < PeterM> qyx did oyu google?
2016-03-14T14:02:50 < PeterM> what i suggested
2016-03-14T14:03:23 < PeterM> they arent terribly high c discharge though
2016-03-14T14:04:17 < qyx> I see them now
2016-03-14T14:04:35 < qyx> 3C discharge is enough
2016-03-14T14:05:04 < PeterM> are these suitable for your application as far as size and price goes?
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2016-03-14T14:06:22 < qyx> 10Ah cell for $19 is good, yep
2016-03-14T14:08:30 < dongs> where?
2016-03-14T14:08:55 < dongs> oh fucking lifepo
2016-03-14T14:09:18 < dongs> wat kinda joke place is tme.eu
2016-03-14T14:09:26 < dongs> ive only seen it mentione on freelancer
2016-03-14T14:09:42 < englishman> uh why no Wh ratings anywhere on that site
2016-03-14T14:10:08 < englishman> just weird
2016-03-14T14:10:17 < englishman> they give nominal voltage and Ah
2016-03-14T14:10:26 < dongs> wut
2016-03-14T14:10:37 < dongs> you have voltage and Ah isnt that enough!?
2016-03-14T14:10:58 < kakimir> supsup
2016-03-14T14:11:11 < englishman> just weird
2016-03-14T14:11:13 < kakimir> you can limit discharge current by resistor
2016-03-14T14:11:21 < englishman> since most care about neither
2016-03-14T14:11:25 < englishman> just Wh + price
2016-03-14T14:12:17 < Sync_> hm, I need to get me some new lifepos, the ones in my motorcycle start to get shitty
2016-03-14T14:13:08 < PeterM> Sync_, what are you running them in your bike? jsut starter or actual traction
2016-03-14T14:13:28 < kakimir> is there excisting like complete battery management systems that are inexpensive and good?
2016-03-14T14:14:11 < kakimir> cell balancing, charging, discharge safe cutout
2016-03-14T14:14:22 < PeterM> no
2016-03-14T14:14:30 < dongs> speaking of safe cutout
2016-03-14T14:14:46 < Sync_> just so that the ignition will work before the engine runs PeterM
2016-03-14T14:14:51 < Sync_> I have no starter motor in the bike
2016-03-14T14:16:45 < dongs> what should I do for my dildo
2016-03-14T14:17:00 < dongs> i have that TPS buckboost on it
2016-03-14T14:17:07 < dongs> should I put a pfet or something in front of it to really disconnect?
2016-03-14T14:17:20 < dongs> yeah the 56Wh dildo
2016-03-14T14:17:31 < Sync_> dongs: bistable relay
2016-03-14T14:17:39 < dongs> ive bene pasting power management shit in here last few weeks
2016-03-14T14:17:45 < Sync_> (yeah, a pfet is good)
2016-03-14T14:20:20 < PeterM> Sync_, ahh ok
2016-03-14T14:20:47 < Sync_> so I have 2000mAh or whatever A123 cells in there
2016-03-14T14:20:58 < PeterM> yeah
2016-03-14T14:21:16 < PeterM> jsut diode-or or jsut in paralulz
2016-03-14T14:21:27 < Sync_> no, just 2000mAh
2016-03-14T14:21:27 < Sync_> :D
2016-03-14T14:21:39 < Sync_> don't need much to get it running
2016-03-14T14:21:49 < Sync_> probably illegal as the headlight sucks them off in no time, but eh
2016-03-14T14:22:14 < kakimir> dongs: how you hope to switch that thing?
2016-03-14T14:22:16 < PeterM> no, i mean with the dynamo - are they connected in paralel with it or is it diode ord
2016-03-14T14:22:24 < englishman> kickstarter https://motherboard-images.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/31225/1457148283296885.jpg
2016-03-14T14:22:50 < PeterM> ie, do oyu have any charge regulation or jsut not charged at all
2016-03-14T14:23:26 < Sync_> I just have them connected instead of the lead brick
2016-03-14T14:23:33 < PeterM> ahh
2016-03-14T14:23:36 < englishman> crt: news to me, pretty funny stuff
2016-03-14T14:23:38 < Sync_> because #yolo
2016-03-14T14:23:51 < PeterM> yeah the a123 cells were robust AF
2016-03-14T14:23:54 < englishman> https://motherboard-images.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/31225/1457148378444182.jpg
2016-03-14T14:24:05 < Sync_> and I mean, the worst that can happen is that I loose like 30€ or something?
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2016-03-14T14:24:32 < englishman> just these
2016-03-14T14:25:15 < PeterM> what am i lookign at
2016-03-14T14:25:48 < PeterM> explain to me what it is liek you were explaining to one of your normie co-workers
2016-03-14T14:26:37 < kakimir> I think my friend is going to start up electronics company
2016-03-14T14:26:49 < kakimir> the thing is he knows nothing about electronics
2016-03-14T14:27:09 < Sync_> PeterM: I have a 4s stack that works out pretty well, the alternator is weak in the bike so it actually almost never overcharges the cells
2016-03-14T14:27:40 < kakimir> he just knows electronics is dirt cheap and doesn't even have to work longer than a short moment
2016-03-14T14:28:00 < englishman> PeterM: the videogame shit?
2016-03-14T14:28:23 < PeterM> Sync_, yeah, thats fair, even if it was strong, those  a123 cells can take a beating just fine, they aren't portable bombs like some other li+ chemistries from other manufacturers
2016-03-14T14:28:46 < PeterM> englishman, if thats what you linked, yeah, what is it
2016-03-14T14:28:57 < englishman> it was a kickstarter to make a retro video game console
2016-03-14T14:29:08 < englishman> firstpic was some 'prototype'
2016-03-14T14:29:16 < englishman> which is clearly cardboard and sharpie with some stuff glued on
2016-03-14T14:29:42 < kakimir> crt: no he is someone straight out of school
2016-03-14T14:29:47 < englishman> second one was a 'working prototype' which is some random junk electronis (identified as a pci video capture card) stuffed in a transparent box
2016-03-14T14:30:06 < englishman> i onl posted two
2016-03-14T14:30:17 < englishman> pic?
2016-03-14T14:31:07 < PeterM> ahh, ok, sufficient explanation, so basically some more dickstarter fraud crap
2016-03-14T14:31:12 < kakimir> what is TAMPER-RTC pin?
2016-03-14T14:31:46 < englishman> PeterM: yes but acual fraud not just fraud/ineptitude
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2016-03-14T14:32:01 < lorenzo> kakimir: rtc clock calibration out
2016-03-14T14:32:33 < lorenzo> see app note CD00207941.pdf
2016-03-14T14:33:02 < PeterM> englishman, fair enough
2016-03-14T14:33:13 < kakimir> CD00207941.pdf
2016-03-14T14:35:58 < kakimir> some simple sensor required by authorities to every new building
2016-03-14T14:37:08 < kakimir> go ahead
2016-03-14T14:38:02 < kakimir> sorry
2016-03-14T14:38:33 < kakimir> I'm not that interested
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2016-03-14T14:40:32 < kakimir> googling shit instead of drawing schematic
2016-03-14T14:41:07 < kakimir> besides the device itself wasn't the point
2016-03-14T14:42:37 < kakimir> but that someone without any knowledge of some field goes into bank and walks out having his accounts filled with money
2016-03-14T14:44:43 < kakimir> and because he has some money of his own and some incomes and papers that clearly say that 2+2=5 great profits!
2016-03-14T14:44:58 < kakimir> he get's the loans
2016-03-14T14:45:25 < ReadError> you dont make any sense
2016-03-14T14:46:19 < ReadError> freelance my dickstarter
2016-03-14T14:46:46 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/CAD-CAM/PCB-layout-design-CADD-design/
2016-03-14T14:47:01 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/OrZ3mR5.png
2016-03-14T14:47:08 < dongs> this is the attached pcb they want wo rked on
2016-03-14T14:47:16 < ReadError> fuckin india?
2016-03-14T14:47:34 < jpa-> kakimir: so he offered his own money / appartment / similar as security to the loan? totally makes sense to give the loan
2016-03-14T14:47:57 < jpa-> kakimir: how would a bank judge electronics knowhow anyway?
2016-03-14T14:48:06 < kakimir> no way
2016-03-14T14:48:13 < kakimir> it's not their job
2016-03-14T14:48:57 < kakimir> it's purelly looking at papers if the customer is a bum and if not then number of money he wishes is his
2016-03-14T14:49:12 < jpa-> do you understand how secured loans work?
2016-03-14T14:49:31 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-14T14:49:38 < jpa-> so, pretty low risk to the bank
2016-03-14T14:49:54 < kakimir> :]
2016-03-14T14:50:14 < ReadError> 60.Minutes.2016.03.13.Encryption.720p.HDTV.x264-CROOKS
2016-03-14T14:50:20 < ReadError> dis.gon.be.gewd
2016-03-14T14:50:35 < Sync_> w.t.f.
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2016-03-14T14:59:35 < kakimir> jpa-: I'm just jelly as I can't really do that
2016-03-14T15:00:07 < jpa-> because you have no property?
2016-03-14T15:00:13 < kakimir> true
2016-03-14T15:01:01 < kakimir> of course secures by finnvera but that is expensive money then
2016-03-14T15:01:56 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Implement-router-into-Smart-Bin/
2016-03-14T15:01:59 < dongs> smart bin? wat
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2016-03-14T15:04:39 < trepidacious> How bad is it if the HSYNC and VSYNC inputs to DCMI aren't really synchronous to PIXCLK?
2016-03-14T15:06:09 < trepidacious> I'm hoping that the worst is that I might get unpredictable behaviour on transitions, but just in terms of maybe seeing a transition on a later PIXCLK edge. What I'm really hoping is that it won't cause some undefined behaviour of the DCMI peripheral...
2016-03-14T15:06:44 < dongs> why do you care?
2016-03-14T15:06:51 < dongs> isnt there dcmi timing in reference manual and/or datasheet
2016-03-14T15:06:57 < trepidacious> It seems like it can't be any worse than reading a GPIO that might have an edge when you are reading it
2016-03-14T15:07:11 < dongs> page 160 datasheet
2016-03-14T15:08:03 < trepidacious> dongs: I'll just have a look...
2016-03-14T15:09:35 < dongs> section 5.3.27 of the 405 datasheet
2016-03-14T15:09:45 < trepidacious> Yup, I don't think my image sensor meets those... the hysnc and vsync signals aren't really synchronous with pixclk
2016-03-14T15:10:00 < trepidacious> I'm on 437 so it's 6.3.27 for me, found the signal diagram...
2016-03-14T15:10:01 < dongs> what are they synchronous with then
2016-03-14T15:10:03 < dongs> i dont get it
2016-03-14T15:11:48 < trepidacious> dongs: They are basically an undefined (maybe constant?) delay after the pixclk
2016-03-14T15:12:26 < trepidacious> So image data is set up on falling edge for reading on rising - that's all good. Then the hsync and vsync are kind of more or less aligned to the data, but with some undefined delay in ns
2016-03-14T15:12:47 < trepidacious> so the syncs actually transition about half way through the high period of the pixclk
2016-03-14T15:13:23 < trepidacious> Actually I think there's half a chance they do still meet the datasheet requirements, I didn't realise it was happy with just 0.5 and 1ns...
2016-03-14T15:13:48 < kakimir> dongs: smart bin already done
2016-03-14T15:14:40 < kakimir> https://www.smartbin.com/
2016-03-14T15:15:26 < trepidacious> dongs: You're meant to read sync codes to work out when the actual image data starts in each line. As long as the DCMI doesn't fall over I think it should be fine, but there might be edges of the sync lines near pixclk edges, on the sensor I've got I think it's probably ok, but I don't know whether another sensor will have a different delay...
2016-03-14T15:16:12 < kakimir> https://www.enevo.com/
2016-03-14T15:19:35 < trepidacious> dongs: Looking at 8.3 in the reference manual, it seems like the input to the DCMI will look exactly like a GPIO input, and presumably GPIO isn't bothered by looking at synchronous signals...
2016-03-14T15:19:47 < dongs> https://motherboard.vice.com/read/crowdfunded-coleco-chameleon-game-console-is-a-mess
2016-03-14T15:19:51 < dongs> lo
2016-03-14T15:20:36 < dongs> trepidacious: well, you can try and find out. i don't really see any real reason why it would need to be syncronous, is "setup time" the DS refers to the rise time of signal or the timing related to clk?
2016-03-14T15:21:09 < trepidacious> dongs: I think it's probably the timing relative to clock, to be sure that you will read the new state not the old one, but I could be wrong :)
2016-03-14T15:22:02 < trepidacious> dongs: I'll give it a go, I think it will probably work, just maybe jitter around by a pixel, then I need to paste it back together with the sync codes :)
2016-03-14T15:26:21 < dongs> https://motherboard-images.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/31225/1457148283296885.jpg this must have been freelancer'd
2016-03-14T15:28:29 < kakimir> s there evidence that freelancerings actually work?
2016-03-14T15:28:34 < dongs> yes
2016-03-14T15:28:40 < dongs> i have $$$ in my freelancer.
2016-03-14T15:28:59 < kakimir> what projects did you complete?
2016-03-14T15:29:06 < dongs> all the ones I was accepted to do
2016-03-14T15:29:42 < kakimir> give an example
2016-03-14T15:30:03 < dongs> PCBA during china holiday, some small altidong dicking around
2016-03-14T15:31:30 < dongs> some paki wanted to hire me for $97/hour for unspecified project but I told him I dont work withotu specifications.
2016-03-14T15:31:33 < dongs> k bbl bath time
2016-03-14T15:32:43 < kakimir> do you go to bath house?=
2016-03-14T15:51:49 < kakimir> hmm stm32 has mains based rtc option
2016-03-14T16:01:07 < dongs> https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/19/100963334_03e26aea4a.jpg
2016-03-14T16:01:11 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ii7PiFE.jpg
2016-03-14T16:01:34 < dongs> today's topic is: balls
2016-03-14T16:03:29 < kakimir> my right ball hurt
2016-03-14T16:03:31 < kakimir> all nite
2016-03-14T16:03:38 < dongs> good news
2016-03-14T16:03:45 < kakimir> could not sleep properly
2016-03-14T16:03:47 < dongs> you are in terminal stages of aids
2016-03-14T16:05:25 < kakimir> can kikes even get aids?
2016-03-14T16:12:11 < dongs> ask beaky
2016-03-14T16:19:18 < dongs> so yeah kikemir
2016-03-14T16:19:24 < dongs> how would i be turning on that pfet
2016-03-14T16:19:26 < dongs> at the dildo battery
2016-03-14T16:19:28 < dongs> enlighten me
2016-03-14T16:19:53 < kakimir> does it have other means for power switching atm?
2016-03-14T16:19:53 < dongs> i was thinking a pushbutton and once MCU wakes up, keep holding it
2016-03-14T16:20:13 < kakimir> I was thinking something like that too
2016-03-14T16:20:18 < dongs> well, now it just turns off DCDC converter
2016-03-14T16:20:27 < dongs> by making pin gpio out, float
2016-03-14T16:20:45 < dongs> but its smaller battery
2016-03-14T16:20:48 < dongs> and its directly connected.
2016-03-14T16:21:20 < kakimir> pushbutton switches pmos on and mcu powers up and starts driving nmos that keeps pmos gate low
2016-03-14T16:21:35 < dongs> yeah.
2016-03-14T16:21:49 < englishman> didnt you already do this bistable thing for other dildo
2016-03-14T16:21:56 < kakimir> we don't want to pass pmos with power button because of polarity protection nature of the circuit
2016-03-14T16:22:01 < dongs> no that was much more complicated
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2016-03-14T16:22:13 < dongs> and there was no power switch
2016-03-14T16:22:19 < dongs> and it doesnt work with stm32
2016-03-14T16:22:22 < dongs> because of ESD diodes
2016-03-14T16:23:04 < kakimir> also you can implement some crude inrush protection with that pmos
2016-03-14T16:23:23 < kakimir> by doing little RC time circuit to it
2016-03-14T16:24:20 < dongs> im referncing some beefy opensores battery management with kawaii name http://bunniefoo.com/novena/pvt1_release/senoko-dvt.PDF
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2016-03-14T16:30:50 < kakimir> hmm double pmos
2016-03-14T16:31:39 < kakimir> they wish to control current in both directions
2016-03-14T16:32:39 < kakimir> why
2016-03-14T16:33:12 < kakimir> what is seneko dtv?
2016-03-14T16:33:19 < kakimir> *dvt
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2016-03-14T16:52:29 < kakimir> dongs: when you come back you must tell about http://bunniefoo.com/novena/pvt1_release/senoko_dvt1_sm.jpg
2016-03-14T16:52:42 < dongs> what about it
2016-03-14T16:53:54 < kakimir> what is it
2016-03-14T16:54:01 < dongs> waht the fuck does it look like bro
2016-03-14T16:54:09 < dongs> its a RC lipo battery management thing
2016-03-14T16:55:06 < kakimir> does it abuse some sata connector there?
2016-03-14T16:55:17 < dongs> thats exactly waht it does yes
2016-03-14T16:55:21 < dongs> sata = power out
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2016-03-14T16:55:40 < dongs> you can check pinout in that pdf
2016-03-14T16:55:46 < dongs> hopefully if you connect a HDD to it, it will instantly fry it
2016-03-14T16:57:01 < kakimir> is there any info page for this?
2016-03-14T16:57:17 < dongs> which part?
2016-03-14T16:57:31 < kakimir> this board
2016-03-14T16:57:53 < dongs> not any more htan waht I've already pasted
2016-03-14T16:57:59 < dongs> there's a page that shows how to use stm32flash to program it
2016-03-14T16:58:16 < kakimir> they provide binary and all?
2016-03-14T16:58:25 < dongs> its opensores
2016-03-14T16:59:07 < kakimir> is this in your dildo?
2016-03-14T16:59:27 < zyp> no, it's in your mom's dildo
2016-03-14T16:59:36 < dongs> zing'd by zyp
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2016-03-14T17:14:08 < kakimir> stm32 seem to have sucky manuals
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2016-03-14T17:16:44 < kakimir> to find how to use some pin I have to go for some demo board pdf
2016-03-14T17:18:53 < kakimir> and yet I don't know
2016-03-14T17:19:50 < kakimir> so there is these basic scheme of documents: datasheet, reference manual, application notes + demo board pdfs?
2016-03-14T17:20:06 < jpa-> who reads those last two
2016-03-14T17:20:11 < jpa-> refman + datasheet is enough
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2016-03-14T17:23:10 < kakimir> okay how tamper pin really works?
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2016-03-14T17:24:46 < jpa-> kakimir: it gives you interrupt and also clears out some part of RTC ram
2016-03-14T17:26:36 < kakimir> that is the level it's being described in the sheets too
2016-03-14T17:27:10 < kakimir> you have to make assumptions
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2016-03-14T17:29:27 < zyp> dongs, what was that new usb connector I should change to?
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2016-03-14T17:29:58 < dongs> sec
2016-03-14T17:30:31 < jpa-> usb 3 micro-b of course
2016-03-14T17:30:38 < dongs> noticed
2016-03-14T17:31:02 < zyp> super sekrit
2016-03-14T17:31:13 < dongs> cloners in teh channel
2016-03-14T17:31:15 < dongs> need to watch otu
2016-03-14T17:31:17 < zyp> haha
2016-03-14T17:31:25 < zyp> isn't it already in the channel logs though?
2016-03-14T17:31:39 < dongs> no
2016-03-14T17:31:39 < jpa-> it's already cloned
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2016-03-14T17:33:45 < kakimir> it doesn't tell if tamper pin supply anything
2016-03-14T17:34:05 < kakimir> or does it supply anything ever when low power states
2016-03-14T17:34:14 < jpa-> ?
2016-03-14T17:34:34 < kakimir> it says it's functional even without VDD supply
2016-03-14T17:34:46 < mitrax> kakimir: you need something on VBAT
2016-03-14T17:34:47 < kakimir> and erases BK blocks
2016-03-14T17:34:48 < zyp> it's in the backup domain
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2016-03-14T17:34:58 < zyp> so it's supplied by Vbat when Vdd is unavailable
2016-03-14T17:35:16 < kakimir> but is the pin supplied?
2016-03-14T17:35:23 < mitrax> it's an input
2016-03-14T17:35:46 < kakimir> does it have pullup when VBAT powered?
2016-03-14T17:37:14 < mitrax> yes, but they're only enabled when sampling for the state iirc
2016-03-14T17:37:24 < jpa-> i would say no
2016-03-14T17:38:18 < kakimir> this is what I mean
2016-03-14T17:38:52 < zyp> did you read the RM?
2016-03-14T17:39:03 < zyp> I would expect it to be explained there
2016-03-14T17:39:18 < jpa-> doesn't actually explain it there, but no mentions about any pull-up
2016-03-14T17:39:58 < jpa-> though i guess if you configure it to enable pull-up, that would stay normally
2016-03-14T17:40:04 < jpa-> easy enough to check and be sure, if it matters
2016-03-14T17:40:24 < mitrax> "The TAMPER inputs are pre-charged through the I/O internal pull-up resistance before its
2016-03-14T17:40:24 < mitrax> state is sampled, unless disabled by setting TAMPPUDIS to 1,The duration of the precharge
2016-03-14T17:40:24 < mitrax> is determined by the TAMPPRCH bits, allowing for larger capacitances on the tamper inputs."
2016-03-14T17:40:51 < jpa-> hm, is that rtcv2? i was reading F1 refman
2016-03-14T17:41:24 < kakimir> okay there is pullup for some sampling period
2016-03-14T17:41:25 < mitrax> oh this if for F4, didn't pay attention to what chip kakimir is actually using
2016-03-14T17:41:33 < kakimir> F107
2016-03-14T17:41:57 < jpa-> on F1, my best bet would be that there is whatever you have configured for the io pin before sleep
2016-03-14T17:42:15 < jpa-> but check to be sure
2016-03-14T17:42:35 < kakimir> I dont think it could be constant because you could drain battery with it
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2016-03-14T17:42:54 < jpa-> of course you can drain battery if you do silly things?
2016-03-14T17:43:20 < kakimir> in demo board there is external pull up 4k7
2016-03-14T17:43:48 < jpa-> i'd put that anyway if there are any significant wires attached
2016-03-14T17:44:45 < jpa-> are you trying to stop people from stealing your smas?
2016-03-14T17:45:07 < kakimir> I plan to have simple.. :)
2016-03-14T17:45:20 < kakimir> simple wire / spring type of switch
2016-03-14T17:45:21 < mitrax> ahaahah
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2016-03-14T18:02:04 < kakimir> shorts to case lid
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2016-03-14T18:02:26 < kakimir> not that I need to have it but when there is such pin then why not
2016-03-14T18:03:05 < dongs> http://cpc.farnell.com/pimoroni/pim113/display-o-tron-hat-for-raspberry/dp/SC1397309
2016-03-14T18:03:08 < dongs> buying 10
2016-03-14T18:04:24 < qyx> lol
2016-03-14T18:05:00 < dongs> such rainbow, haha
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2016-03-14T18:16:56 < kakimir> hmm what is the meaning of these boot pins.. main flash memmory, system memmory, embedded sram?
2016-03-14T18:17:22 < kakimir> what do I need this thing for?
2016-03-14T18:18:21 < kakimir> what I have seen in LPCs is just device select for isp boot
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2016-03-14T19:20:35 < kakimir> why there is need for boot memory switch guys? ..okay system memmory means ISP
2016-03-14T19:21:04 < kakimir> but SRAM boot? how you are supposed to boot from SRAM in the first place?
2016-03-14T19:21:41 < kakimir> without having like debugger to dump that code there
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2016-03-14T19:26:02 < kakimir> I don't see how it would load it itself there without booting from flash first and then reseting
2016-03-14T19:26:18 < kakimir> with external device asserting those pins
2016-03-14T19:29:09 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmxzcyZN9Nk very nice plane building
2016-03-14T19:36:33 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7qJjj2RNvE 1000m take-off and able to land on grass field
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2016-03-14T19:44:50 < Laurenceb_> Nothing will make me vote for Trump other than a gun to my head, there are plenty of serious candidates with sound ideas and platforms out there like McAfee and Vermin Supreme
2016-03-14T19:46:50 < kakimir> laurence m8 do you really need to pull boot pins also up like in demoboard there is switch between GND and +3v3
2016-03-14T19:47:27 < kakimir> stub of document fails to describe pin default states throughtly
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2016-03-14T19:50:02 < Laurenceb_> well boot1 doesnt need a pull up/down
2016-03-14T19:50:05 < Laurenceb_> boot0 does
2016-03-14T19:50:23 < kakimir> whatahell
2016-03-14T19:50:40 < kakimir> why
2016-03-14T19:52:10 < Laurenceb_> cuz of the logic table in the datasheet n00b
2016-03-14T19:52:13 < Laurenceb_> http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_1-251.pdf
2016-03-14T19:52:17 < Laurenceb_> das racist ^
2016-03-14T19:52:58 < Laurenceb_> so short lol
2016-03-14T19:54:04 < Laurenceb_> diagram 1 is so pro
2016-03-14T19:55:02 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3l7fgvrEKM musicspams
2016-03-14T19:56:29 < Laurenceb_> Michelle Obama needs to learn to latex
2016-03-14T19:56:43 < Laurenceb_> no bibliography, all references as footnotes wtf
2016-03-14T19:57:04 < kakimir> tl;dr
2016-03-14T19:57:21 < kakimir> front page made me exhausted
2016-03-14T20:01:39 < Steffanx> Where are the other 48 pages Laurenceb_?
2016-03-14T20:02:39 < Steffanx> Also Typewriter > LaTeX
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2016-03-14T20:04:44 < Laurenceb_> someone got lazy scanning
2016-03-14T20:12:36 < Laurenceb_> I should find some more theses from famous people for trolling purposes
2016-03-14T20:12:51 < Laurenceb_> The purpose of this study is to examine various attitudes of Black Princeton alumni in their present state and as they are perceived by the alumni to have changed over time
2016-03-14T20:12:55 < Laurenceb_> how do i grammar
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2016-03-14T21:25:27 < Laurenceb_> http://wdlabs.wd.com/products/wd-pidrive-314gb/
2016-03-14T21:25:28 < Laurenceb_> wut
2016-03-14T21:28:11 < ReadError> where is r2com
2016-03-14T21:28:12 < ReadError> http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/russia-warns-donald-trump-of-assassination-plot/
2016-03-14T21:28:16 < ReadError> i need to axe him about this
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2016-03-14T21:32:23 < lorenzo> Laurenceb_: can't believe they actually put effort in designing such things
2016-03-14T21:32:39 < lorenzo> I honestly hope for WD it's just a batch of 500GB drives gone wrong, cut to 314 GB :D
2016-03-14T21:36:17 < lorenzo> I think raspberry PI can't even boot from a proper drive, just sd
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2016-03-14T21:39:44 < kakimir> good guy russia
2016-03-14T21:40:28 < kakimir> who paid who
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2016-03-14T21:49:49 < artag> I don't think WDLABS == WD
2016-03-14T21:50:19 < artag> oh, wait, they are. how odd
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2016-03-14T22:16:00 < Steffanx> even at wd.com artag ;)
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2016-03-14T22:45:33 < kakimir> can I start kelvin trace from any edge of pad
2016-03-14T22:45:38 < kakimir> ?
2016-03-14T22:46:39 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU7DrufbZks pretty fancy stuff for "just" an stm32F7.
2016-03-14T22:46:50 < kakimir> if I need to trace the high current path lets say
2016-03-14T22:47:17 < kakimir> under the component. can I then choose the opposing edge for kelvin trace?
2016-03-14T22:49:45 < kakimir> stm32 has beef for those waterfalls?
2016-03-14T22:50:41 < Steffanx> no the AD9958 probably does that
2016-03-14T22:50:51 < Steffanx> oh no nevermind
2016-03-14T22:51:18 < Steffanx> i read dsp instead of DDS :P
2016-03-14T22:51:37 < kakimir> "art processor"
2016-03-14T22:52:13 < Steffanx> blame st for the name
2016-03-14T22:53:05 < Steffanx> my russian sucks, but it seem the f7 is doing it all. ( And looking at the otehr videos they even started with an F103
2016-03-14T22:53:05 < kakimir> it's like dedicated DMA
2016-03-14T22:54:00 < kakimir> that can copy paste bitmaps in memmory
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2016-03-14T23:03:02 < Sync_> seksi Steffanx
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2016-03-14T23:27:46 < Laurenceb_> holy shit thats pro
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2016-03-14T23:46:04 < Laurenceb_> how do I solve circular dependencies?
2016-03-14T23:46:12 < karlp> how do I save cycle? http://bcas.tv/paste/results/TileZB89.html
2016-03-14T23:46:26 < karlp> Laurenceb_: normally, pull your file into smaller pieces so they can both include linearly
2016-03-14T23:47:13 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2016-03-14T23:47:45 < karlp> in that paste, things went from 1643 cycles to 121 cycles for implicit doubles vs hard float singles, then down to 31 cycles after -O0 was changed to -Os :)
2016-03-14T23:47:46 < Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/10759918
2016-03-14T23:47:54 < Laurenceb_> I literally dont know whats going on
2016-03-14T23:49:18 < Laurenceb_> ah ok, moving some header includes to top of c files rather than header files fixes it
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2016-03-15T00:30:37 < Steffanx> Welcome back crt.
2016-03-15T00:30:56 < Steffanx> Fine fine. How's Gary?
2016-03-15T00:31:50 < Steffanx> How can Mr. Aussia not know Gary.
2016-03-15T00:32:16 < Steffanx> Gary the goat.
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2016-03-15T00:38:56 < Steffanx> ofcourse.
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2016-03-15T00:45:35 < Steffanx> No such adventures today. Except for stumbling upon some fancy stm32f7 project.
2016-03-15T00:50:57 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU7DrufbZks  crt, for your eyes only.
2016-03-15T00:52:49 < Steffanx> its russian, so no sound required
2016-03-15T00:55:49 < kakimir> recommend movies?
2016-03-15T00:58:15 < Laurenceb_> https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8878395&cid=51696459
2016-03-15T01:00:57 < kakimir> very cool Laurenceb_
2016-03-15T01:01:07 < kakimir> there is optimizing process certainly
2016-03-15T01:02:32 < kakimir> my recoms.: Scary MoVie
2016-03-15T01:06:28 < kakimir> one before was shiet iirc.
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2016-03-15T01:10:21 < kakimir> 4
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2016-03-15T01:22:47 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/EMoph5S
2016-03-15T01:22:48 < Laurenceb_> https://coubsecure-a.akamaihd.net/get/bucket:12.21/p/coub/simple/cw_timeline_pic/b380b96b10e/89ec3f99dc3d911d97060/big_1409271844_1382471972_image.jpg
2016-03-15T01:24:14 < kakimir> how soon it is some sort of war after trump has been elected?
2016-03-15T01:25:12 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/cH3Nn59.jpg
2016-03-15T01:25:54 < Laurenceb_> 4chan confirmed
2016-03-15T01:27:57 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/qnvevA3
2016-03-15T01:28:11 < Laurenceb_> epic dramaz
2016-03-15T01:30:43 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/lE40qOk
2016-03-15T01:33:18 < Laurenceb_> rare snek http://imgur.com/VFhOi5i
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2016-03-15T01:40:01 < Sync_> amaze coils
2016-03-15T01:40:07 < Sync_> it must work
2016-03-15T01:41:15 < Sync_> noice
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2016-03-15T01:47:03 < Laurenceb_> anyone here used qt?
2016-03-15T01:47:27 < Laurenceb_> I'm trying this but its failing epically I'm trying this http://www.qcustomplot.com/index.php/tutorials/settingup
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2016-03-15T01:53:45 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/Xac5Imk.png
2016-03-15T01:54:11 < Laurenceb_> like wtf
2016-03-15T01:54:20 < Laurenceb_> example projects should at least compile
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2016-03-15T02:05:00 < Laurenceb_> aha I was trying to build the wrong thing
2016-03-15T02:05:03 < Laurenceb_> stupid gui
2016-03-15T02:06:53 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFZsH62ewYo how to utilize piezos
2016-03-15T02:07:01 < kakimir> used in camera lenses
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2016-03-15T02:22:17 < Laurenceb_> yay I made a gui
2016-03-15T02:22:24 < Laurenceb_> this is nicer than python
2016-03-15T02:26:10 < MightyPork> hi, if anyone remember that USART protocol thing I was inventing, now I have a reference implementation!
2016-03-15T02:26:16 < MightyPork> -> https://github.com/MightyPork/sbmp
2016-03-15T02:27:25 < MightyPork> basically CRC'd packets over USART or anything similar, with Sessions (so reply is tied to request)
2016-03-15T02:44:27 < emeb> got a couple of those cheap-ass ST-LINK V2 USB dongles from Aliexpress. Only took 'em 2 mo to get here by slow boat. Seems to work OK though.
2016-03-15T02:45:33 < emeb> http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/7290760026.html
2016-03-15T02:48:05 < MightyPork> got one like that from ebay, just with metal casing. Arrived in like 2 weeks, also works well
2016-03-15T02:53:10 < PeterM> emeb, i think if those stlink dongles had a microusb socket on them they'd be 10x better
2016-03-15T02:54:31 < emeb> PeterM: yeah, and if the JTAG / SWD side was more standard that would help too.
2016-03-15T02:55:53 < PeterM> mmm, i kinda agree - but if your board isn't tiny and you use a desktop its a bit of a pain in the ass to get the stlink close to the board, much moreso then changign the pinout on your designed board
2016-03-15T02:56:14 < PeterM> though, not followign a standard is a bit of a pain i the ass as it is
2016-03-15T02:56:45 < emeb> It's not hard to fake out the right pin arrangement using some DuPont cables, but still...
2016-03-15T02:57:21 < emeb> And you can get USB extension cords too, but overall it's not an ideal arrangement.
2016-03-15T02:58:04 < lorenzo> why bother with a $2.5 programmer when the genuine st-link v2 is like $9?
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2016-03-15T02:59:43 < lorenzo> ah no, you're right, it's $19. meh
2016-03-15T02:59:57 < lorenzo> thought I paid it less :/
2016-03-15T03:02:28 < emeb> It's not too $$ to just get a Nucleo board
2016-03-15T03:02:47 < emeb> Plus, shipping delays from Ali are horrible, so don't go this way if you're in a hurry.
2016-03-15T03:04:19 < lorenzo> emeb: eh, when I started out with stm32 I bought a nucleo, a discovery and st-link from mouser
2016-03-15T03:04:26 < lorenzo> just to realize all I needed was the nucleo :D
2016-03-15T03:05:49 < emeb> lorenzo: yeah - they don't make that really clear.
2016-03-15T03:06:44 < lorenzo> I just didn't expect a $9 board to have a debugger onboard, maybe more powerful than the main microcontroller itself
2016-03-15T03:07:03 < emeb> nucleos and discovery boards are a good value.
2016-03-15T03:07:25 < emeb> it's one of the best ideas that ST has had - selling those so cheap.
2016-03-15T03:08:44 < lorenzo> yeah, along with proper documentation, emeb
2016-03-15T03:09:09 < lorenzo> I've tried different ARM eval boards, MSP432, Tiva C, LPC 1768
2016-03-15T03:09:21 < lorenzo> but they're all sitting in the drawer :/
2016-03-15T03:09:36 < emeb> ST's dox aren't 100%, but once you understand how they divide the info up between data sheet and reference manual they do OK.
2016-03-15T03:09:36 < lorenzo> the software is either too clunky/buggy (TI) or too crippled (NXP)
2016-03-15T03:10:31 < emeb> I tried to do some stuff with the low-end NXP LPC parts and was stymied due to the tools and docs.
2016-03-15T03:10:35 < emeb> ST has spoiled me.
2016-03-15T03:11:20 < PeterM> whilst STs docs are written by interns, everyone elses docs are written by either the marketing department os apes (or both)
2016-03-15T03:12:13 < emeb> heh - so true.
2016-03-15T03:12:34 < lorenzo> I appreciate Atmel too for that, they're one of the few vendors which doesn't try to sell you something at each paragraph of a application note / reference / whatever
2016-03-15T03:12:43 < emeb> I've got a buddy who works in apps eng at MCHP and has horror stories about the way their docs are written.
2016-03-15T03:12:54 < Sync_> #yolo?
2016-03-15T03:15:02 < Laurenceb_> qt is quite nice
2016-03-15T03:15:14 < Laurenceb_> I like the timer and connect stuff
2016-03-15T03:15:23 < Laurenceb_> nicer than python
2016-03-15T03:16:32 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdhtMvKWIAADjWt.jpg:large
2016-03-15T03:17:21 < dongs> Laurenceb_ found
2016-03-15T03:22:00 < PeterM> nah thats too funny to be Laurenceb_
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2016-03-15T03:54:57 < Laurenceb_> dongs clearly prefers python to qt
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2016-03-15T04:02:17 < Laurenceb_> The furry map shows germany has more furries per square mile than any nation on the planet, thats troubling.
2016-03-15T04:02:23 < Laurenceb_> status: checking
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2016-03-15T04:10:33 < Laurenceb_> virtual qint64 	readData(char * data, qint64 maxSize)
2016-03-15T04:10:43 < Laurenceb_> 64 bits... what could possibly go wrong
2016-03-15T04:11:11 < Lemming> http://i.imgur.com/ReSFPot.jpg <--- LAWL!
2016-03-15T04:12:20 < dongs> how do those p eople get verified twitter account
2016-03-15T04:12:53 < Laurenceb_> attn crt:  http://i.imgur.com/glEHn6F.jpg
2016-03-15T04:13:02 < dongs> unfunny
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2016-03-15T04:28:39 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/MBOTHqJ.jpg trump plane
2016-03-15T04:28:39 < dongs> windowsupdate is downloading shit at 60k/sec
2016-03-15T04:29:16 < englishman> maybe your isp throttles torrents
2016-03-15T04:29:40 < ReadError> get the offline bundle
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2016-03-15T04:33:31 < PeterM> dongle use wsus
2016-03-15T04:34:15 < ReadError> i just dont update
2016-03-15T04:34:15 < Laurenceb_> I use linux cuz my real name is Linus
2016-03-15T04:34:17 < ReadError> its easier
2016-03-15T04:36:22 < Laurenceb_> it just twerks
2016-03-15T04:36:23 < ReadError> win7 for lyfe
2016-03-15T04:36:25 < Laurenceb_> assOS
2016-03-15T04:47:43 < ReadError> oi it works fine
2016-03-15T05:00:04 < dongs> PeterM: wsus on win10? comeon, im way too lazy
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2016-03-15T05:43:46 < ReadError> R2COM
2016-03-15T05:43:50 < ReadError> http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/russia-warns-donald-trump-of-assassination-plot/
2016-03-15T05:44:20 < ReadError> what have you heard from your comrades ?
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2016-03-15T06:02:29 < Laurenceb_> lol the comments
2016-03-15T06:02:31 < Laurenceb_> https://www.illuminatiofficial.org/join-the-illuminati/join/
2016-03-15T06:02:42 < Laurenceb_> that got spam linked
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2016-03-15T08:11:37 < dongs> zyp i dont believe i have your new address for junk
2016-03-15T08:11:41 < dongs> plz /notice asap
2016-03-15T08:14:11 < jpa-> Zyp's Junk c/o Zyp's pants, 0001 Oslo Norway
2016-03-15T08:14:57 < dongs> hm
2016-03-15T08:14:57 < dongs> no
2016-03-15T08:14:59 < dongs> i should have it
2016-03-15T08:15:21 < dongs> ya is ent shit in january
2016-03-15T08:15:24 < dongs> that was alreadynew
2016-03-15T08:16:41 < dongs> <DoYouKnow> guys, I am trying to design a quantum non-demolition detector on microstrip for gravitational waves
2016-03-15T08:16:44 < dongs> <DoYouKnow> I came up with a design, basically you have bars with different lengths coupled via a strip perpendicular to the bars and tangent to a ring resonator where it injects a signal into the ring
2016-03-15T08:16:59 < dongs> emdrive troll detected
2016-03-15T08:17:08 < dongs> time to freelance
2016-03-15T08:17:39 < englishman> its like adding a yagi to the large hadron collider
2016-03-15T08:19:11 < dongs> Yagi the bear?
2016-03-15T08:19:25 < englishman> the extremely directional bear
2016-03-15T08:20:02 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Blueetooth-remote-SCH-PCB-design/
2016-03-15T08:20:06 < dongs> this is pretty easy
2016-03-15T08:20:07 < dongs> but not for $250
2016-03-15T08:20:16 < dongs> its mebbe a couple hours of actual "work"
2016-03-15T08:20:28 < dongs> and like 5 hours of jerking off on irc
2016-03-15T08:20:39 < englishman> 250aud = 50usd
2016-03-15T08:20:45 < dongs> oh lol
2016-03-15T08:20:48 < dongs> AUD< urrite
2016-03-15T08:20:50 < dongs> forget it.
2016-03-15T08:21:12 < jpa-> AUDS
2016-03-15T08:21:18 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Design-CMOS-ADC/
2016-03-15T08:21:19 < dongs> haha
2016-03-15T08:21:37 < englishman> also you forgot the bluetooth tax
2016-03-15T08:22:42 < dongs> 2000 rmb = $300
2016-03-15T08:22:54 < dongs> r2com probably wouldnt even get out of bed for $300 to double click cadence.exe
2016-03-15T08:23:30 < englishman> why doesnt beakymir bid on more of these
2016-03-15T08:23:57 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Illustration/Need-custom-photo-realistic-image/ retroVGS found
2016-03-15T08:24:38 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Order-Electronic-component-ship-them/
2016-03-15T08:24:44 < dongs> thats ez
2016-03-15T08:24:44 < englishman> for $7/hr it might cost more than cardboard + used connectors
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2016-03-15T08:26:00 < PeterM> <englishman> the extremely directional bear
2016-03-15T08:26:07 < PeterM> yagi bear, more directional than your average bear
2016-03-15T08:26:25 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Design-electronics-PCB/
2016-03-15T08:26:30 < dongs> All electronic files will be delivered in an open, editable format to the client.
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2016-03-15T08:26:37 < dongs> I'm not sure if I want an open, editable format.
2016-03-15T08:27:33 < PeterM> all formats are poen and editable, they have hxd rite?
2016-03-15T08:27:40 < jpa-> how about edible format?
2016-03-15T08:27:52 < qyx> seems you are freelancing a bit
2016-03-15T08:28:05 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Redesign-our-PCB-add-Bluetooth/ attn PeterM
2016-03-15T08:28:08 < dongs> job 4 u
2016-03-15T08:29:06 < PeterM> nah fuckthat
2016-03-15T08:29:14 < dongs> qyx: can you download dannysfiles.rar from that last one?
2016-03-15T08:29:21 < dongs> its 404'd for me
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2016-03-15T08:31:56 < qyx> dongs: no
2016-03-15T08:32:03 < dongs> i think its a link to 'files' tab
2016-03-15T08:32:07 < dongs> which is private per project
2016-03-15T08:32:17 < dongs> fucken newbs
2016-03-15T08:32:18 < qyx> thgey provably failed with the '
2016-03-15T08:32:28 < qyx> probably even
2016-03-15T08:32:49 < qyx> or that
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2016-03-15T08:36:07 < PeterM> dongs http://www.engineeringjobs.com.au/engineering-industry-salary-information
2016-03-15T08:38:12 < dongs> obviosuly the cant afford that
2016-03-15T08:38:37 < englishman> so like $50k usd
2016-03-15T08:38:44 < englishman> why even bother with 6 years school
2016-03-15T08:38:58 < PeterM> that is graduating salary
2016-03-15T08:39:03 < englishman> a dude washing cars at a chrysler dealership makes that
2016-03-15T08:40:21 < PeterM> avg salary is around 95k usd
2016-03-15T08:40:43 < PeterM> if the exchange rate hadnt tanked over the last few years it would be much closer
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2016-03-15T08:55:44 < ReadError> why so many injuns on freelancer
2016-03-15T08:58:27 < ds2> hmmmm 0ohm resistors seems to the trash heap of resistors
2016-03-15T09:01:04 < ds2> they are a horrible pit of dispair
2016-03-15T09:01:26 < ds2> problem with 0 ohm is they are not truely 0 ohm
2016-03-15T09:01:28 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/I3f2ljr.jpg englishman aandrew
2016-03-15T09:01:36 < ds2> and that 5% spec doesn't apply (5% of 0 is well 0)
2016-03-15T09:01:58 < ds2> a 0ohm is really a 0-0.050 ohm resistor per some specs
2016-03-15T09:02:14 < ds2> except it carries a 0.5A max rating (0603/0402)
2016-03-15T09:02:30 < PeterM> i thought 0 ohm resistors were +/- 5% of 2nd lowest resistor value in that series by manufacturer
2016-03-15T09:02:31 < ds2> so go to up spec...
2016-03-15T09:02:37 < ds2> got to
2016-03-15T09:03:10 < ds2> what would you use to provide an option for selecting power sources or measuring current?
2016-03-15T09:03:42 < ds2> only saving thing is they make 20A rated 0603 sized shunts
2016-03-15T09:03:56 < ds2> problem is they cost as much as a 0.01ohm 1% 0603 resistor
2016-03-15T09:04:10 < PeterM> ds2 2 pin 0.1" header
2016-03-15T09:04:24 < ds2> If I had room for 0.1....
2016-03-15T09:04:40 < PeterM> in that case you dont
2016-03-15T09:13:28 < dongs> > pump
2016-03-15T09:13:30 < dongs> yeah i bet.
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2016-03-15T09:18:46 < ds2> what is the end point of the pumping? incandescent? drops >1V?
2016-03-15T09:21:11 < ReadError> crt is a pumper
2016-03-15T09:21:20 < ReadError> tell him how to pump crt
2016-03-15T09:24:16 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TFdomgFjvg
2016-03-15T09:24:19 < ReadError> take you back?
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2016-03-15T09:25:53 < ReadError> Jeffery Henry3 weeks ago
2016-03-15T09:25:53 < ReadError> l0de's mom wears a hijab
2016-03-15T09:25:54 < ReadError> lol
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2016-03-15T10:20:03 < PaulFertser> Is MQTT the best protocol to get data from remote sensors (that are supposed to wake up once in a while, turn on GSM module, use its integrated IP stack to send/receive something and then went to sleep again)?
2016-03-15T10:20:10 < PaulFertser> karlp: ^
2016-03-15T10:21:44 < jpa-> it works
2016-03-15T10:22:04 < jpa-> whether it is the best is pretty hard to answer without specific criteria
2016-03-15T10:22:14 < PeterM> ^
2016-03-15T10:22:45 < jpa-> for one, authenticated mqtt requires multiple round-trips.. so if you aim for very low power consumption you may need something else that can do with 1 UDP upload and 1 UDP ACK
2016-03-15T10:23:04 < PeterM> depending on how much data and regularity SMS can be surprisingly workable
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2016-03-15T10:26:24 < PaulFertser> jpa-: the device is a custom gps+accel tracker, and it's supposed to be able to buffer some data for a while waiting for GSM coverage to appear and also its wakeup rate should be controllable by the central management.
2016-03-15T10:27:13 < PeterM> for that case, MQTT seems liek a good candidate
2016-03-15T10:27:13 < PaulFertser> Very low power consumption is not critical, but the device can't be always-on, that's for sure.
2016-03-15T10:30:38 < jpa-> MQTT is somewhat annoying in that it does not have nice way to timestamp stuff on the server side
2016-03-15T10:33:54 < PaulFertser> Hm, seems kinda silly. But I plan to run a custom app to put all the data into an sqlite database on server itself anyway, so I can do timestamping there.
2016-03-15T10:34:15 < PaulFertser> But does it seem like MQTT is fully appropriate otherwise?
2016-03-15T10:34:33 < jpa-> well, what benefit will mqtt offer over just a simple tcp server?
2016-03-15T10:35:28 < jpa-> if you do timestamping etc. on the receiver side, you lose the mqtt proxy etc. ability to make more funnier infrastructure
2016-03-15T10:35:43 < jpa-> (assuming you rely on stuff being delivered relatively fast)
2016-03-15T10:44:10 < PaulFertser> Well, I was thinking about simple tcp server and actually PoC is implemented that way. But I wanted to evaluate other possibilities too.
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2016-03-15T10:51:02 < jpa-> before adding extra layers you should consider what extra benefit you want :)
2016-03-15T10:57:07 < PaulFertser> Usually I want to write less code and just use something that's already known to work nicely.
2016-03-15T10:57:59 < PaulFertser> I wonder what the microcontroller guy (who implements firmware for said tracker) says if I say he must use MQTT :)
2016-03-15T10:58:46 < PaulFertser> Currently he wants to use some ad-hoc binary protocol instead.
2016-03-15T11:02:57 < jpa-> i'm biased, but i would say to use json or protobuf so that you can extend it later
2016-03-15T11:03:29 < jpa-> mqtt mostly solves aggregation and many-sources-many-consumers -situations
2016-03-15T11:06:18 < PaulFertser> Thanks to your nanopb using protobuf was a pleasant experience (if it was not for the ignorant assholes that designed a higher level protocol on top of protobuf that I was required to implement)
2016-03-15T11:07:02 < jpa-> classic
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2016-03-15T11:07:18 < jpa-> at the end you have tens of layers that do nothing useful :)
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2016-03-15T11:08:37 < PaulFertser> crt: wrap your penis in GSM specs. There's lots of useless layers there, just what you need.
2016-03-15T11:17:26 < PaulFertser> I'm actually amazed there're people (hello, Harald) who enjoy digging all those insane telephony-inspired awfully-documented layers.
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2016-03-15T12:05:34 < karlp> jpa-: what do you mean about authenticated mqtt requires multiple round trips?
2016-03-15T12:07:46 < karlp> but yeah, if you're going to connect, publish, disconnect go to sleep, you're losing a lot of the benefits of mqtt
2016-03-15T12:08:01 < karlp> might as well just use http post at thaat point.
2016-03-15T12:08:11 < karlp> coap might even bemore useful.
2016-03-15T12:08:21 < jpa-> hmm yeah, needs roundtrips always in fact
2016-03-15T12:08:29 < dongs> zyp: ^ blogged
2016-03-15T12:08:37 < jpa-> somehow i was remembering that connect wasn't necessary except for auth, but seems i was wrong
2016-03-15T12:09:17 < jpa-> and that is after already getting the tcp connection up
2016-03-15T12:09:53 < dongs> windowsupdate at 98%
2016-03-15T12:09:58 < jpa-> so if it is cheap-ass 2.5G with 500ms latency, that can easily mean 2+ seconds extra of keeping the modem on
2016-03-15T12:10:03 < dongs> shit's been crawling since this morning
2016-03-15T12:10:37 < karlp> I'm not really interested in supporting or even planning that sort of environment.
2016-03-15T12:10:58 < karlp> there's some decent data on battery usage for mqtt vs http vs something I've forgotten from some google io presentation
2016-03-15T12:11:09 < karlp> if you want to do raw embedded with gsm, have fun, you're on your own.
2016-03-15T12:14:09 < zyp> dongs, nice
2016-03-15T12:20:13 < PaulFertser> Thanks everybody for the suggestions!
2016-03-15T12:21:39 < jpa-> karlp: if i were to use mqtt, would i then get free karlp support? ;)
2016-03-15T12:33:27 < dongs> yes\
2016-03-15T12:33:56 < karlp> http://stephendnicholas.com/posts/power-profiling-mqtt-vs-https is what I was thinking of at least.
2016-03-15T12:34:07 < karlp> jpa-: some, sure... :)
2016-03-15T12:34:11 < karlp> #mqtt is nice too.
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2016-03-15T12:34:34 < karlp> re the timestamping, you're right, but that's an application problem anyway :)
2016-03-15T12:35:04 < karlp> we timestamp on the producer of the message, because we use mqtt's queueing to do offline buffering, so timestamping on a remote database writing subscriber is not helpful.
2016-03-15T12:35:21 < jpa-> in one of my hacks, i "solved" it by having a server post the timestamp to a topic every few seconds, so the client can synchronize its clock :P
2016-03-15T12:35:36 < karlp> yeah, you woulnd't be the first to do a pseudo ntp over mqtt :)
2016-03-15T12:35:41 < karlp> we just use ntp :)
2016-03-15T12:36:36 < karlp> but we're not using mqtt on the "deep" embedded portions, just for IPC on our gateway, and for gateway<->cloud communications.
2016-03-15T12:37:17 < karlp> it's been super awesome to have pub/sub on the gatway, think up a new use for the data? just subscribe and go!
2016-03-15T12:37:46 < jpa-> yeah
2016-03-15T12:37:49 < jpa-> that's the best part
2016-03-15T12:37:57 < karlp> want to send the data to third party X,Y,Z? no need to write plugins or make it all fit into one framework, just make a new simple tiny service that just does that.
2016-03-15T12:38:03 < artag> have I wandered into #mqtt ? :)
2016-03-15T12:38:25 < karlp> no, #mqtt is window 3, this is window 4 ;)
2016-03-15T12:38:29 < artag> you should, it's good
2016-03-15T12:38:45 < karlp> artag: I don't see you in #mqtt? ;)
2016-03-15T12:40:04 < artag> I was, think I fell off last time I rebooted
2016-03-15T12:43:48 < dongs> a restart has been scheduled
2016-03-15T12:48:17 < trepidacious> dongs: So the weird asynchronous sync signal thing seems to work.
2016-03-15T12:50:20 < dongs> coo
2016-03-15T12:55:13 < dongs> time to reboot
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2016-03-15T13:35:13 < dongs> ?
2016-03-15T13:35:18 < dongs> i was back 2 minutes later
2016-03-15T13:35:38 < dongs> old
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2016-03-15T13:48:36 < kakimir> that link describes serious issues of free time
2016-03-15T13:48:53 < kakimir> hello
2016-03-15T13:49:04 < kakimir> and bbl coffee time>
2016-03-15T14:02:53 < MightyPork> any tips what to look for if my malloc() never fails?
2016-03-15T14:02:58 < MightyPork> gcc w/ newlib
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2016-03-15T14:18:24 < dongs> shit
2016-03-15T14:20:17 < zyp> MightyPork, is it supposed to fail?
2016-03-15T14:20:38 < MightyPork> fail as in return NULL, not by a hardfault
2016-03-15T14:21:10 < zyp> newlib malloc allocates memory from sbrk, if sbrk never fails, malloc will never fail either
2016-03-15T14:22:29 < MightyPork> hmm cool. so time to scavenge better sbrk from somewhere
2016-03-15T14:24:11 < MightyPork> amazing, store sbrk from the syscalls file in a SW4 project and it's working
2016-03-15T14:24:14 < MightyPork> *stole
2016-03-15T14:24:34 < zyp> congratulations on getting failing working
2016-03-15T14:25:43 < MightyPork> ... now it froze again, but at least it's not a hardfault, just my own spaghetti
2016-03-15T14:37:44 < dongs> why does youir shitty compiler even need sbrk
2016-03-15T14:37:53 < dongs> i use keil and I never had to write retarded stubz for shit
2016-03-15T14:38:59 < Tectu> cuz they do it for you
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2016-03-15T14:51:17 < dongs> not sure how thats a problem
2016-03-15T14:54:10 < MightyPork> think the main problem is newlib sux, but there's nothing good to replace it afaik
2016-03-15T14:59:55 < dongs> opensource, shareware code
2016-03-15T15:00:00 < dongs> what the fucking fuck is a shareware coded
2016-03-15T15:03:23 < dongs> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35808627
2016-03-15T15:03:25 < dongs> RIP englishman
2016-03-15T15:03:36 < dongs> "An Uber driver who is accused of killing six people in the US state of Michigan has told police that the Uber app took over his "mind and body", setting off his shooting spree."
2016-03-15T15:05:18 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/expert-needed/
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2016-03-15T15:30:36 < qyx> regarding the lifepo4 cells, I have written to some ATP china factory, according to alibaba they are doing low quantity orders too
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2016-03-15T15:57:53 < englishman> ATMEL is a  high-performance, 16-bit microcontroller, cryptographic accelerator based on the secure AVR. Single clock cycle. The cryptographic accelerator fast encryption and authentication functions.
2016-03-15T15:58:56 < dongs> cool indiegogo bro
2016-03-15T15:59:00 < dongs> but how do you cloud with that?
2016-03-15T15:59:12 < englishman> i dono, ask the world's sexiest computer hacker
2016-03-15T16:03:38 < qyx> thats wh
2016-03-15T16:03:40 < qyx> o
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2016-03-15T16:42:58 < kakimir> guys does 107 need VBAT supplied whenever VDD is present?
2016-03-15T16:43:03 < dongs> no
2016-03-15T16:43:07 < kakimir> there seems to be a switch
2016-03-15T16:43:07 < dongs> none of stm32 does
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2016-03-15T16:43:12 < dongs> tehre is.
2016-03-15T16:43:16 < kakimir> nice
2016-03-15T16:43:33 < kakimir> something sensible happening
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2016-03-15T16:54:20 < kakimir> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/080/417/223/1250579270766_hz_myalibaba_web6_16454.jpg anyone know this connector type?
2016-03-15T16:54:29 < kakimir> is it some jst too?
2016-03-15T16:56:39 < dongs> its the china "xh1.25"
2016-03-15T16:57:05 < dongs> clone of molex 53047
2016-03-15T16:58:05 < kakimir> molex picoblade?
2016-03-15T16:59:03 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-15T16:59:20 < dongs> i think so
2016-03-15T16:59:42 < dongs> china has them cloend good
2016-03-15T16:59:54 < kakimir> you surelly know your connectors
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2016-03-15T19:04:21 < karlp> heh, something for r2commie _and_ dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzEHItrTMHM
2016-03-15T19:04:26 < karlp> only 50k jpy!
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2016-03-15T20:58:12 < lorenzo> do you know if low end STM32s have something like HCS08 automatic compare?
2016-03-15T20:58:50 < lorenzo> that is, an interrupt which fires when the free-running ADC samples a value above or below a certain threshold
2016-03-15T20:59:24 < Steffanx> l0/l1 ?
2016-03-15T20:59:51 < lorenzo> even f0/f1
2016-03-15T21:04:59 < Sync_> you can have adc windowing
2016-03-15T21:05:12 < Sync_> err watchdog
2016-03-15T21:05:44 < lorenzo> ah, analog watchdog?
2016-03-15T21:06:33 < lorenzo> yep, that seems to be the magic keyword :-)
2016-03-15T21:06:43 < lorenzo> it's there in stm32f10xxx, thanks Sync_
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2016-03-15T21:33:34 < Steffanx> but you dont want super fancy low poweR?
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2016-03-15T21:45:00 < ohsix> PaulFertser: specification anthroplogists ;D (re: layers/agglomeration in gsm)
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2016-03-15T22:37:19 < Laurenceb_> calling windoze programmers
2016-03-15T22:37:33 < Laurenceb_> is there a way to detect usb-serial devices and connect to the right comm port?
2016-03-15T22:37:47 < Laurenceb_> say I want to connect to a cp2102 device
2016-03-15T22:37:59 < Laurenceb_> this is possible on linux using the device id
2016-03-15T22:38:07 < ohsix> not really, or windows would already do it and give you the same com port number
2016-03-15T22:38:39 < ohsix> i don't think windows uses bus topology to 'name' devices that have an invalid serial or the like
2016-03-15T22:39:14 < Laurenceb_> I know a similar system is possible in labview
2016-03-15T22:39:27 < Laurenceb_> so you can always connect to the correct comm port
2016-03-15T22:40:40 < Steffanx> prefered language?
2016-03-15T22:40:48 < Steffanx> i believe .net has some stuff for it.
2016-03-15T22:40:48 < Laurenceb_> qt  / c++ / c
2016-03-15T22:40:51 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-03-15T22:41:13 < Laurenceb_> I'm trying to write a qt gui, but .net examples would be informative
2016-03-15T22:41:17 < ohsix> you can do it if you know you're looking for a particular adapter or assume pid/vid
2016-03-15T22:41:24 < Laurenceb_> ah ok
2016-03-15T22:41:45 < Laurenceb_> yeah I could have a loadable file with the pid/vid combos
2016-03-15T22:41:58 < ohsix> you usually can't tho cuz they're faked or worse
2016-03-15T22:42:18 < Laurenceb_> well its cp2102 so it should be legit
2016-03-15T22:42:27 < Laurenceb_> I'm using the ST usb eval kit dongle
2016-03-15T22:43:07 < Laurenceb_> for SP1ML
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2016-03-15T22:45:46 < Steffanx> cant QtSerialPort do this btw Laurenceb_?
2016-03-15T22:46:47 < mitrax> Laurencb_: look at the setupapi i.e SetupDiEnumDeviceInterfaces() / SetupDiGetDeviceInterfaceDetail() and the like
2016-03-15T22:46:47 < Steffanx> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qserialportinfo.html productid, vendor id.. not sure if that's usb stuff, but i would be surprised if it isn't
2016-03-15T22:48:45 < mitrax> LaurenceB:  http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Projects/SEP/0607/network/Code/WPS/cpp/middleman/EnumSerial.cpp
2016-03-15T22:49:30 < Steffanx> so many solutions, go pick the one that works for oyu Laurenceb_ :D
2016-03-15T22:49:37 < Laurenceb_> ok thanks
2016-03-15T22:49:54 < Laurenceb_> but I only see a way that works if i first open the port
2016-03-15T22:50:18 < mitrax> LaurenceB: EnumPortsWdm() in the middle of the file you don't need to open the port
2016-03-15T22:50:44 < mitrax> LaurenceB: the other functions are legacy stuff for NT4.0 / win9x
2016-03-15T22:50:50 < ohsix> you could just assume there's only one like most horrible people do \m/ or have a dropdown for people to guess, like less horrible people do, but still very bad
2016-03-15T22:50:52 < Steffanx> or availablePorts from qtserialport :P
2016-03-15T22:51:12 < Steffanx> but i never tried that so not sure if it always works.
2016-03-15T22:52:32 < ohsix> chrome has a serial api that can be used from extensions, if you haven't started yet and you want portability or whatever you might do with one of those
2016-03-15T22:52:59 < Steffanx> chrome extension, yay
2016-03-15T22:53:24 < ohsix> oh wait they killed 32bit version on linux, but qt still works there :p
2016-03-15T22:53:46 < Thorn> Laurenceb_: my code from 3 years ago (qt 5.2), you could add filtering etc. http://paste.ofcode.org/3a6VpGiTnJwRJUbYzDW5d2Y
2016-03-15T22:53:47 < Steffanx> but Laurenceb_ wanted windows
2016-03-15T22:53:52 < Laurenceb_> thanks
2016-03-15T22:53:55 < Laurenceb_> ok I think i got it
2016-03-15T22:54:01 < Laurenceb_> it can be done in qt
2016-03-15T22:54:07 < Laurenceb_> 1) find available ports
2016-03-15T22:54:12 < ohsix> Steffanx: yea i forgot
2016-03-15T22:54:16 < Steffanx> Such open sores.
2016-03-15T22:54:22 < Laurenceb_> 2) loop through getting the info (don't need to open)
2016-03-15T22:54:37 < Laurenceb_> 3) check for hasProductIdentifier
2016-03-15T22:54:49 < Laurenceb_> 4) if it has then check all details to match
2016-03-15T22:54:54 < Laurenceb_> 5) connect :P
2016-03-15T22:55:19 < Laurenceb_> that should be cross platform too
2016-03-15T22:55:34 < Steffanx> PROgrammer.
2016-03-15T22:55:39 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-15T22:55:42 < ohsix> different information is available on each tarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrget
2016-03-15T22:55:54 < ohsix> one of the reasons qt is great, practically shitty stuff you find out later
2016-03-15T22:56:18 < ohsix> you can probably do vid/pid matching lots of places, but not 'all details'
2016-03-15T22:57:12 < Thorn> (and QSerialPortInfo::vendorIdentifier() / productIdentifier() are usb vid/pid iirc)
2016-03-15T22:57:37 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-03-15T22:57:47 < Laurenceb_> thanks for the code Thorn
2016-03-15T22:57:58 < Laurenceb_> I still hate c++  :-/
2016-03-15T22:58:07 < ohsix> hurr can't configure timeouts
2016-03-15T22:58:28 < Laurenceb_> this stuff makes my head hurt, microcontrollers ftw
2016-03-15T22:58:41 < Laurenceb_> so lines 44 to 46 connect to... something?
2016-03-15T22:58:58 < Laurenceb_> also, is any of this stuff configured in the .ui  file?
2016-03-15T22:59:21 < ohsix> once you get usb you're dealing with this type of stuff no matter what it is, might not have to read msdn tho
2016-03-15T22:59:45 < Laurenceb_> are onAccepted and onRejected members of the PortSelectDialog class?
2016-03-15T22:59:46 < Steffanx> Better do some Qt basics Laurenceb_
2016-03-15T22:59:50 < Laurenceb_> lol too many questions
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2016-03-15T23:00:02 < Laurenceb_> need this finished in 2 weeks lol
2016-03-15T23:00:04 < Laurenceb_>  :-S
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2016-03-15T23:00:21 < Thorn> that's strictly gui stuff. I wasn't using .ui files then
2016-03-15T23:00:28 < Laurenceb_> ah ok
2016-03-15T23:00:35 < Thorn> I can post complete .cc and .h if you want
2016-03-15T23:00:36 < Laurenceb_> so I can avoid ui files completely?
2016-03-15T23:00:41 < Thorn> sure
2016-03-15T23:00:49 < Laurenceb_> oh that simplifies it :D
2016-03-15T23:00:54 < Thorn> I found the qt designer a major pita
2016-03-15T23:01:19 < Steffanx> Time to go drag'n'drop .net programming
2016-03-15T23:01:26 < Laurenceb_> yeah me too.. well I never did any qt before last night lol
2016-03-15T23:02:14 < Laurenceb_> Thorn: yeah the Port connect stuff would be very helpful if you could post it, thanks
2016-03-15T23:02:33 < Laurenceb_> I'm copypastered a scrolling graph demo, and it makes sense so far..
2016-03-15T23:03:12 < Laurenceb_> but there is virtually no interprocess communication in the demo, signals and connect are the things that are confusing me at the moment
2016-03-15T23:03:58 < Laurenceb_> c++ just seems overdesigned to me :P
2016-03-15T23:04:11 < Laurenceb_> never tried to do anything complex in c++ before
2016-03-15T23:04:28 < ohsix> https://github.com/qtproject/qtserialport/blob/dev/src/serialport/qserialportinfo_win.cpp
2016-03-15T23:04:29 < Thorn> https://gist.github.com/pthorn/63ae8e3bfcf788a956f9
2016-03-15T23:05:14 < ohsix> heh @ special case for ftdi
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2016-03-15T23:05:47 < Laurenceb_> thanks
2016-03-15T23:06:08 < Laurenceb_> heh luckily I avoid ftdi like the plague
2016-03-15T23:06:26 < Laurenceb_> do you always need a wrapper to build c functions into c++ projects?
2016-03-15T23:06:39 < Laurenceb_> or is that for when you build c++ into c project?
2016-03-15T23:06:42 < ohsix> yea but the compiler will do that for you
2016-03-15T23:07:06 < Laurenceb_> right
2016-03-15T23:07:14 < ohsix> er do you mean for interoperation or for calling c/c++ code; the headers will have extern "C" or whatever in them
2016-03-15T23:07:34 < Laurenceb_> yeah I remember now.. its been a while lol
2016-03-15T23:08:19 < Laurenceb_> hopefully I can copypaster microcontroller network and packetisation code
2016-03-15T23:09:37 < Laurenceb_> I'm still confused about how QT signals allow interprocess communication
2016-03-15T23:09:57 < Laurenceb_> maybe I'll read Thorns code before asking tho lol
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2016-03-15T23:11:12 < ohsix> normally i'm pretty down on qt, but this serial port code is kind of ok
2016-03-15T23:11:36 < ohsix> it's a thing that doesn't need to be wrapped 50 times though, an exceptional situation ;D
2016-03-15T23:12:06 < Laurenceb_> ok so line 70, that is then connected to some code that reads the data?
2016-03-15T23:12:36 < Laurenceb_> oh lower down the page lol
2016-03-15T23:15:09 < ohsix> checking out the linux/'unix' code, if it's built without udev on linux it will have nothing but the device path in the information, if it's on freebsd/qnx it will have nothing but the device path
2016-03-15T23:15:15 < ohsix> everything else is from udev
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2016-03-15T23:19:16 < Laurenceb_> ok so the emit  openDevice(ports.at(checked_id).portName());
2016-03-15T23:19:22 < Laurenceb_> that connects to something ?
2016-03-15T23:21:03 < Laurenceb_> oh port is a private variable in serialport.h, so that emit doesnt actually have to be used?
2016-03-15T23:21:19 < Laurenceb_> as the port is connected there
2016-03-15T23:22:53 < Thorn> it is connected to SerialPort::open() through some reconnection logic
2016-03-15T23:23:00 < Laurenceb_> isnt this effectively doing interprocess comms using a global struct?
2016-03-15T23:23:35 < Laurenceb_> or doesnt that matter due to the way qt handles stuff behind the scenes?
2016-03-15T23:23:47 < Thorn> or rather port->setName(); port->open();
2016-03-15T23:24:16 < Thorn> why interprocess? it's all in the same process (even the same thread)
2016-03-15T23:24:29 < Laurenceb_> hmm ok
2016-03-15T23:24:37 < Thorn> you can use signals/slots across threads though
2016-03-15T23:24:51 < Laurenceb_> ok so say I had a GUI redraw running on a timer at 15hz or whatever
2016-03-15T23:25:11 < Laurenceb_> that could just read from the buffer?
2016-03-15T23:26:11 < Laurenceb_> if I made buffer public in serialport.h  ?
2016-03-15T23:30:15 < Thorn> your buffer read shouldn't be preempted by a write. it's like async javascript. there's an event loop behind the scenes
2016-03-15T23:30:32 < Thorn> that's how I understand it
2016-03-15T23:32:21 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-03-15T23:32:25 < Laurenceb_> thanks for the help
2016-03-15T23:34:19 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ always turns into such a nice guy when he needs help.
2016-03-15T23:34:35 < Steffanx> Can't you always be in need of help Laurenceb_ ? :P
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2016-03-16T00:24:30 < aandrew> does anyone have an Altium library part for mouse bites (for panelization) -- I think this is probably the easiest way to place them where needed
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2016-03-16T00:29:16 < aandrew> they are? maybe I just don't know how to drive it then.
2016-03-16T00:29:17 < aandrew> I know how to create a panel and I can make the v-cuts and whatnot by drawing lines on the panel board design
2016-03-16T00:29:45 < aandrew> pumpin?
2016-03-16T00:29:51 < aandrew> lol ok
2016-03-16T00:29:55 < ohsix> stealing gas
2016-03-16T00:30:33 < aandrew> haha. sounds like songs
2016-03-16T00:30:47 < aandrew> dongs this fucking autocorrect piece of shit phone
2016-03-16T00:31:08 < ohsix> you don't want to be pumping, or be a pumper
2016-03-16T00:31:17 < aandrew> I'm competent but don't know some of the edge cases
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2016-03-16T00:33:08 < kakimir> how to find cable for headphones?
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2016-03-16T00:33:33 < kakimir> I liked original rubbery one
2016-03-16T00:33:53 < kakimir> smooth texture to it
2016-03-16T00:35:13 < kakimir> also I need a plug
2016-03-16T00:35:26 < kakimir> right angle
2016-03-16T00:35:40 < kakimir> good one
2016-03-16T00:36:05 < kakimir> I see that wgen i get home
2016-03-16T00:36:26 < ohsix> crt: poking dead horses
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2016-03-16T00:57:14 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: look for mogami
2016-03-16T00:57:21 < Laurenceb_> they make nice signal cables
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2016-03-16T01:07:24 < ohsix> huh i thought canare was spelled differentl
2016-03-16T01:07:35 < ohsix> i have a few meters of sillyconed from them, it's nice
2016-03-16T01:08:15 < Laurenceb_> I use mogami ultraflex for work stuff
2016-03-16T01:08:39 < ohsix> i don't know if i'd buy it if i didn't already have it; don't really need that kind of cable for anything, but it is nice
2016-03-16T01:08:55 < ohsix> like if you're doing gigs and moving equipment it's essential tho
2016-03-16T01:08:59 < Sync_> looks hipster
2016-03-16T01:09:23 < ohsix> resisting sharp bend angles makes them easy to pack
2016-03-16T01:09:31 < ohsix> also makes them last longer and shiz
2016-03-16T01:12:22 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2016-03-16T01:12:35 < Laurenceb_> i dont do audiophool
2016-03-16T01:17:15 < ohsix> maybe they only think they do and aren't measuring it
2016-03-16T01:17:35 < ohsix> that link goes to an 'error communicating with the network' page right now
2016-03-16T01:19:37 < kakimir> what you think about neutrik connectors?
2016-03-16T01:21:38 < kakimir> are you like musician too?
2016-03-16T01:21:58 < kakimir> or audio enthusiast?
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2016-03-16T01:29:00 < kakimir> openoffice
2016-03-16T01:29:13 < mitrax> excel
2016-03-16T01:30:02 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HPY-3-5mm-Male-to-Male-90-Degree-Angle-Audio-Jack-AUX-Connector-Plug-Cable-2M-/161995391595 I think my reference headphones need some quality
2016-03-16T01:30:07 < karlp> libreoffice it seems, was openoffice, just whatever came on my desktop
2016-03-16T01:31:02 < ohsix> gnumeric / google docs :<
2016-03-16T01:31:20 < ohsix> they all do the same stuff, it's just a matter of who you might have to share files with
2016-03-16T01:31:27 < kakimir> why would you use other formats than office 97
2016-03-16T01:32:03 < Getty> lol
2016-03-16T01:32:32 < kakimir> pps or so
2016-03-16T01:32:58 < kakimir> *.xls or so
2016-03-16T01:33:14 < kakimir> not libre
2016-03-16T01:33:54 < kakimir> just change the default formats all to 97 office
2016-03-16T01:34:10 < kakimir> .doc .xls .ppt
2016-03-16T01:35:01 < kakimir> I'm not recommending.. it works
2016-03-16T01:35:44 < ohsix> there's always 'sc'
2016-03-16T01:36:22 < ohsix> you have some cells and you have some other cells whos value is based on some other cells; only when you get into extremely marginal junk or interchange problems does it begin to matter
2016-03-16T01:36:44 < ohsix> or if you expect to do ole/structured storage embedding (pictures in spreadsheet cells)
2016-03-16T01:37:08 < ohsix> for the actual grunt of the spreadsheet-ing they all do the same thing if it's called a spreadsheet ;D
2016-03-16T01:38:58 < kakimir> it freezes hard
2016-03-16T01:39:05 < kakimir> but so does ms office
2016-03-16T01:39:16 < kakimir> when you throw thousands of points in
2016-03-16T01:39:32 < kakimir> it's doing stupid things hard way that is why
2016-03-16T01:40:45 < ohsix> isn't it all kind of direct manipulation of a stylus and feed or whatever, it's not like a raster print where you can do computational geometry junk to speed it up
2016-03-16T01:41:37 < ohsix> will have to make a note to look at what the api is
2016-03-16T01:41:47 < ohsix> shruggin', it's going to be oldschool
2016-03-16T01:42:20 < ohsix> it might by some preprocessor but i don't know what the apis look like that the applications have to use
2016-03-16T01:43:37 < kakimir> I wonder if it's possible to make a motor that has floating rotor
2016-03-16T01:43:44 < kakimir> without mechanical contact
2016-03-16T01:43:51 < ohsix> looks like hpgl
2016-03-16T01:43:51 < artag> yes, see air bearings
2016-03-16T01:44:17 < kakimir> horrible of course
2016-03-16T01:44:23 < ohsix> ben kraznow posted a video recently on piezo motors where the work object is the rotor
2016-03-16T01:44:23 < kakimir> dont get your hopes up
2016-03-16T01:44:45 < kakimir> ohsix: it's based on mechanical contact
2016-03-16T01:45:06 < kakimir> I think of something floating in vacuum
2016-03-16T01:45:10 < ohsix> right
2016-03-16T01:45:25 < kakimir> have 2stators?
2016-03-16T01:45:26 < artag> also magnetic-bearing fans
2016-03-16T01:45:39 < kakimir> to control rotation in other axis
2016-03-16T01:45:53 < ohsix> there's fluid contact in the bearings in harddrives but they are essentially 'no mechanical contact', it's just very viscous ;D
2016-03-16T01:45:58 < kakimir> and position
2016-03-16T01:46:17 < ohsix> R2COM: HPGL is like pen up pen down, select pen, draw a circle
2016-03-16T01:46:24 < kakimir> ohsix: is there pins?
2016-03-16T01:46:26 < kakimir> or balls?
2016-03-16T01:47:35 < ohsix> kakimir: neither, the oil is 'pumped around' and provides even pressure around the entire bearing to support whatever is connected to it
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2016-03-16T01:48:18 < ohsix> erh hm i thought i could cite a patent from when i was looking at this last, can't find it so nevermind
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2016-03-16T01:50:31 < ohsix> there was a cone type fluid dynamic bearing that didn't need a thrust bearing to keep it in place
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2016-03-16T01:51:25 < ohsix> ahh cone was the magic word, http://www.google.com/patents/US6664687 also when they seize they seize hard :] fdb failure took out some seagates i had
2016-03-16T01:52:20 < kakimir> I just ordered chinese copper foil
2016-03-16T01:52:50 < kakimir> ?
2016-03-16T01:53:01 < ohsix> ya they both seized within 24 power on hours of eachother
2016-03-16T01:53:26 < kakimir> crt: then sorry as seller refunds
2016-03-16T01:53:30 < kakimir> *Ass
2016-03-16T01:54:56 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/371515005616 maybe it is that expensive
2016-03-16T01:55:03 < kakimir> it's the cheapest I found
2016-03-16T01:55:20 < kakimir> I think that amount will weight like 20grams
2016-03-16T01:55:50 < kakimir> it's good price for copper
2016-03-16T01:56:28 < ohsix> oh hurr you weren't responding to me i am dumb
2016-03-16T01:57:03 < ohsix> wouldn't copper coated aluminum work harden/fail during sheeting if they rolled it up
2016-03-16T01:57:34 < kakimir> why would they do that
2016-03-16T01:57:57 < ohsix> i don't think they would
2016-03-16T02:00:27 < kakimir> wow that foil weights a tonne
2016-03-16T02:00:36 < kakimir> 89grams
2016-03-16T02:00:49 < kakimir> can it be or did I fail
2016-03-16T02:05:29 < ohsix> yes, but so does plplot and other plotting programs
2016-03-16T02:05:35 < Sync_> use R
2016-03-16T02:05:40 < Sync_> for maximum aidscancer
2016-03-16T02:06:29 < ohsix> R's gui stuff or matlab would
2016-03-16T02:06:37 < ohsix> wolfram/mathematica can
2016-03-16T02:07:05 < artag> gnuplot will do that, though the zooming is a bit oldfashioned
2016-03-16T02:07:49 < artag> it doesn't do calculatuions at all afair, excpet perhaps for scaling
2016-03-16T02:08:35 < artag> it doesn't do live plots though. i think pyplot does
2016-03-16T02:08:35 < ohsix> plplot does interactive graphs
2016-03-16T02:09:41 < artag> R2COM: i mean gnuplot's implementation of zooming is outdated. something like + to zoom in, no panning, zoom right out. No nice drag-scrolling or wheelmouse stuff
2016-03-16T02:11:15 < artag> i've never found anything as good as the stuff I used at $previousjob but that was very proprietary
2016-03-16T02:12:01 < artag> it was written inhouse for a specific application and sold as part of a system for k$
2016-03-16T02:12:03 < ohsix> the only time i've actually needed to zoom things was on an actual calculator
2016-03-16T02:12:13 < ohsix> for reporting i usually already know all of the parameters
2016-03-16T02:12:47 < artag> but i'd really like to be able to write a stream of data out of some software and zoom around it like a live oscilloscope
2016-03-16T02:13:10 < artag> I hope sigrok will do that one day but it's not there yet
2016-03-16T02:13:34 < artag> there really ought to be some javascript libs that do it
2016-03-16T02:20:07 < artag> http://www.cosworth.com/products/racing-electronics/software/toolbox/
2016-03-16T02:20:28 < artag> it does seem to be for sale without an electronics system but no mention of price
2016-03-16T02:22:12 < ohsix> what's sigrok do, afair pulseview or whatever would let you manually trigger; but you'd still be able to get the data realtime if you had a device that was free running and could display it how you like
2016-03-16T02:22:39 < ohsix> or do you mean you hope they have a useful ui some day
2016-03-16T02:23:03 < artag> yeah, pulseview is a bit limited with analog data
2016-03-16T02:23:21 < Laurenceb_> Consejos para ser Cuckold
2016-03-16T02:23:46 < ohsix> yea it is
2016-03-16T02:24:04 < artag> it's really only just starting to be added, and the digital stuff isn't as smooth as saleae
2016-03-16T02:24:22 < ohsix> considering how many cheap scopes and clones and open source, aaaand the people that use the devices and their interaction familiarity; why there isn't some ok to decent software scopes
2016-03-16T02:24:46 < ohsix> someone needs to make a thing that has a few optical encoders and buttons on it i guess, so you can interact with it properly :p
2016-03-16T02:24:48 < artag> because every man and his dog does some crap windows program
2016-03-16T02:24:59 < artag> erinvienting over and over again
2016-03-16T02:25:04 < artag> reinventing
2016-03-16T02:25:10 < ohsix> yup
2016-03-16T02:25:25 < ohsix> i'm surprised people can even sell usb 'scopes' and stuff given what the software is
2016-03-16T02:25:55 < artag> that's why sigrok has promise, it ought to let people concentrate on the differencs rather than the common stuff
2016-03-16T02:26:14 < artag> but people are idiots and do closed-source instead
2016-03-16T02:26:38 < ohsix> it's still really useful without anything resembling test equimpent; like comedi was
2016-03-16T02:27:03 < ohsix> you might have to write a program to use the data but at least you can get it from a handful of sources without als owriting that part
2016-03-16T02:27:20 < artag> most of the usb scope hardware is rubbish too, only usb3 has anything near the bandwidth so there's nothing really mature
2016-03-16T02:27:29 < artag> picoscope are probably the best
2016-03-16T02:27:43 < ohsix> 30MB/s is nothing to sniff at
2016-03-16T02:27:49 < ohsix> but yea
2016-03-16T02:28:09 < artag> their software is free so if it can import csv is might be worth a try
2016-03-16T02:28:35 < kakimir> Laurenceb found https://imgur.com/5eyQSGu
2016-03-16T02:29:22 < ohsix> the usb things that are most oscilloscope like all have triggering and stuff in the module and you just interact with it, it's a scope; the salae things and data acquisition parts might have a buffer but you need to move it to see if it is relevant
2016-03-16T02:31:09 < kakimir> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdhtMvKWIAADjWt?format=pjpg&name=large
2016-03-16T02:31:33 < artag> yes, but if it's all inside the usb scope you have to shuffle it out to display it so it's still slow and jumpy
2016-03-16T02:32:17 < artag> at least the saleae has the acquistion in memory, provided it can actually acquire fast enough for you
2016-03-16T02:33:52 < artag> increasing usb speeds increase the bandwidth of streaming capture and the offload speed of static capture so eventually they'll both be good (but still 10 times slower than the USB you're debugging .. :(
2016-03-16T02:44:34 < Laurenceb_> the emperor protects
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2016-03-16T03:01:22 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/n/res/339479.html
2016-03-16T03:01:24 < Laurenceb_> dramaz
2016-03-16T03:02:04 < Laurenceb_> https://medium.com/@Thetruthwillcomeout/i-was-sexually-assaulted-by-the-owner-of-8chan-here-is-my-story-9b7efb2b3460#.aiy0ft7vv
2016-03-16T03:02:58 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/T0e5ne0.jpg
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2016-03-16T03:32:29 < ohsix> shotgun mouthwash?
2016-03-16T03:32:36 < ohsix> man i don't have the speed i used to
2016-03-16T03:36:40 < Laurenceb_> <R2COM> i think im gonna do it
2016-03-16T03:36:47 < Laurenceb_> was expecting school shooting
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2016-03-16T03:42:22 < kakimir> Laurenceb such a fan
2016-03-16T03:42:30 < kakimir> always anticipating
2016-03-16T03:48:35 < kakimir> and cheering
2016-03-16T03:54:15 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/3IN2a7l
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2016-03-16T04:01:47 < ReadError> Laurenceb_ WHAT DID WE TELL YOU ABOUT UNFUNNY LINKS
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2016-03-16T04:16:28 < ReadError> R2COM yea
2016-03-16T04:16:37 < ReadError> or workspace
2016-03-16T04:18:31 < ReadError> well some settings can be stored within a project
2016-03-16T04:18:52 < ReadError> but yea theres no secret files outside of eclipse/projects/workspace that are used
2016-03-16T04:18:58 < ReadError> if thats what you mean
2016-03-16T04:19:41 < ReadError> yea shit that stores stuff in the registry and that AppData dir pisses me off
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2016-03-16T04:51:23 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuG_CeEZV6w
2016-03-16T04:55:06 < PeterM> hey Laurenceb_ have you done antying wiht averagign the positional data recieved by multiple GPSs to give more accurate positional data?
2016-03-16T04:55:30 < Laurenceb_> not with a vengeance
2016-03-16T04:55:44 < Laurenceb_> only as part of an IMU
2016-03-16T04:55:54 < Laurenceb_> what sort of averaging do you want?
2016-03-16T04:57:03 < Laurenceb_> oh multiple receivers? no
2016-03-16T04:57:16 < Laurenceb_> although SBAS/EGNOS sort of does that
2016-03-16T04:58:13 < ohsix> how would that make it more accurate?
2016-03-16T04:58:15 < PeterM> will gogole
2016-03-16T04:58:25 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: differential gps
2016-03-16T04:58:29 < ohsix> you're looking for correlated errors and i don't think there would be any just from '2 gps'
2016-03-16T04:58:34 < ohsix> right
2016-03-16T04:58:50 < PeterM> io dont mean jsut two, i mean liek 5, i central and 4 in alike a squatre or something
2016-03-16T04:59:10 < ohsix> there's also nondeterministic noise added unless you're the military and you get the chipping codes for teh hard stuff ;D
2016-03-16T04:59:10 < Laurenceb_> what the hell
2016-03-16T04:59:20 < Laurenceb_> i dont think 5 or so really helps
2016-03-16T04:59:46 < ohsix> one moving at a rate you know pretty well will work better than 5 just averaged together
2016-03-16T04:59:53 < Laurenceb_> two receivers, one fixed
2016-03-16T04:59:59 < Laurenceb_> is all you need
2016-03-16T05:00:33 < PeterM> yeah im lookign for absolute accuracy, and all recievers fixed to the same thing
2016-03-16T05:00:48 < PeterM> so i can't have one move and one stay stationary
2016-03-16T05:01:02 < ohsix> you'd probably want to look for information that isn't related to gps, fm/gsm stuff
2016-03-16T05:01:09 < Laurenceb_> more than two receivers is not really going to help
2016-03-16T05:01:21 < PeterM> you say that
2016-03-16T05:01:47 < PeterM> http://2012.sensorapps.org/sites/default/files/uploads/1569519559.pdf https://www.syz.com/gps/gpsaveraging.html http://digitalcommons.mtu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1413&context=etds
2016-03-16T05:02:18 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2016-03-16T05:02:31 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: you can do bit edge detection on the L2 channel
2016-03-16T05:02:57 < Laurenceb_> at least this baby does http://www.sstl.co.uk/Products/Subsystems/Navigation/SGR-05P-Space-GPS-Receiver
2016-03-16T05:03:31 < Laurenceb_> unless you are a mil spec / whatever customer and they put mil code on it iirc
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2016-03-16T05:12:13 < Laurenceb_> then there is swift nav https://www.swiftnav.com/
2016-03-16T05:13:56 < PeterM> we do RTK but the cost of accessing basestations are expensive
2016-03-16T05:14:28 < Laurenceb_> yeah that seems to be the idea of swift nav
2016-03-16T05:14:43 < Laurenceb_> speaking of which they are lurking in the channel
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2016-03-16T06:57:47 < lorenzo> crt: that sounds sliiiightly ambiguous
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2016-03-16T07:55:18 < upgrdman> just go full retard and use 200%
2016-03-16T07:56:53 < upgrdman> dunno
2016-03-16T07:57:19 < ohsix> because those numbers are unrelated
2016-03-16T07:57:24 < ohsix> and made up
2016-03-16T07:58:02 < ohsix> you could explain it away easily if the two made up numbers happened to be the same appearance at 125% and 150% respectively
2016-03-16T07:58:48 < ohsix> did you feel it with a ruler
2016-03-16T08:00:35 < ohsix> last thing i felt with my eyes scratched my cornea
2016-03-16T08:02:43 < ohsix> because both numbers are completely arbitrary
2016-03-16T08:04:02 < ReadError> banned tectu? wat
2016-03-16T08:04:07 < ReadError> he was here earlier
2016-03-16T08:10:18 < PeterM> R2COM, check if this makes a difference to you http://www.isunshare.com/windows-10/choose-whether-to-smooth-edges-of-screen-fonts-in-windows-10.html
2016-03-16T08:10:47 < PeterM> also this http://www.isunshare.com/windows-10/turn-off-or-on-clear-type-text-in-windows-10.html
2016-03-16T08:26:56 < dongs> i see autism6 decided to park in here.
2016-03-16T08:27:08 < dongs> R2COM: if you want  different scaling on different monitors one will be fuzzy.
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2016-03-16T08:45:40 < ohsix> dongs: y u so mean bruv
2016-03-16T08:46:31 < ohsix> supposed to be asleep
2016-03-16T08:49:41 < ohsix> CASIOOOOOOHNO
2016-03-16T08:50:02 < ohsix> i have the 115es plus
2016-03-16T08:50:12 < ohsix> ~same just a different color
2016-03-16T08:50:55 < ohsix> werd
2016-03-16T08:51:08 < ohsix> i have one of the 3 color tn casio calculators too
2016-03-16T08:51:23 < ohsix> kind of dum now that there are vpam calculators
2016-03-16T08:51:35 < ohsix> feels like operating an old computer that only used index cards
2016-03-16T08:53:35 < ohsix> vaguely
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2016-03-16T08:54:34 < ohsix> i have ebay stlink clone and some f103 breakout, i figured out how to get cmsis going with gcc and where to get the linker scripts, how to get openocd going and testing it out, but not much since
2016-03-16T08:55:46 < emeb_mac> http://imgur.com/x7nOoFE
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2016-03-16T09:10:50 < dongs> wurth has a nice collection of altidong libs
2016-03-16T09:10:56 < dongs> http://www.we-online.com/web/en/electronic_components/toolbox_pbs/Altium_Designer.php
2016-03-16T09:11:18 < dongs> oh, sweet, i can update my shitty dip switch model
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2016-03-16T09:31:11 < ohsix> https://ideas.lego.com/projects/98263
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2016-03-16T10:00:58 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/expert-needed/ 11 breadboard experts found
2016-03-16T10:02:18 < PeterM> ^
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2016-03-16T10:11:20 < dongs> youre not a breadboard expert?
2016-03-16T10:12:33 < dongs> me neither
2016-03-16T10:12:36 < dongs> :(
2016-03-16T10:13:05 < dongs> PHD in breadboarding
2016-03-16T10:13:08 < dongs> or in pumping?
2016-03-16T10:13:36 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/PCB-design-for-generator/
2016-03-16T10:13:40 < dongs> current bid: $20
2016-03-16T10:14:20 < dongs> budget: $180
2016-03-16T10:15:51 < dongs> lack of quality  freelancin' lately.
2016-03-16T10:16:08 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/PCB-schematics-design-layout-basic/ or these clowns
2016-03-16T10:16:34 < dongs> they want everything done in 20x30mm pcb with ESP14/88 including test firmware for it, and delivery of assembled proto
2016-03-16T10:16:38 < dongs> for 2500 sgd which is like $1800
2016-03-16T10:17:09 < dongs> no
2016-03-16T10:17:14 < dongs> its been prety quiet lately
2016-03-16T10:17:41 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/PCB-board-design-9955588/
2016-03-16T10:20:41 < dongs> Paul
2016-03-16T10:20:41 < dongs> Thinker, Tinkerer, Inventor.
2016-03-16T10:20:42 < dongs> JinaduLabs
2016-03-16T10:20:47 < dongs> like like jihadlabs
2016-03-16T10:20:54 < dongs> Paul sounds like Ivan
2016-03-16T10:21:00 < dongs> Surulere , Nigeria - 9 am
2016-03-16T10:23:45 < ohsix> ooh nigeria, he could be a prince, there are a lot of them
2016-03-16T10:28:41 < ohsix> http://hackaday.com/2016/03/15/sdram-logic-analyzer-uses-an-avr-and-a-dirty-trick/
2016-03-16T10:29:42 < jpa-> heh, nice trick
2016-03-16T10:30:33 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-16T10:30:45 < ohsix> interesting thing is he uses sdram pins as feedback
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2016-03-16T10:45:57 < ReadError> https://www.keil.com/pack/doc/CMSIS/DSP/html/group___p_i_d.html
2016-03-16T10:46:00 < ReadError> interesting
2016-03-16T10:46:22 < dongs> what? its been in cmsis math lib for years
2016-03-16T10:48:24 < ReadError> new to me
2016-03-16T10:48:25 < ReadError> http://blog.atx.name/chibios-powered-reflow-oven-with-web-interface/
2016-03-16T10:48:29 < ReadError> pretty neat
2016-03-16T10:49:27 < dongs> pretty useless
2016-03-16T10:49:39 < ReadError> well the reflow bit yea
2016-03-16T10:49:48 < ReadError> but the ethernet/pid stuff im interested in
2016-03-16T10:50:57 < dongs> SPI ethernet on STM32, for ~reasons~
2016-03-16T10:51:00 < dongs> sounds like a waste of time
2016-03-16T10:53:48 < ReadError> yea well look at the MCU hes using
2016-03-16T10:53:54 < dongs> so fucking what
2016-03-16T10:54:13 < dongs> 107 in 64pin has ethernet
2016-03-16T10:54:34 < dongs> probly m0 shit too, i never cared to check
2016-03-16T10:54:43 < dongs> a M0 nobody uses = more $ than M3 that everyone does
2016-03-16T10:55:09 < dongs> just use rageberrypi
2016-03-16T10:55:11 < dongs> $35
2016-03-16T10:55:13 < dongs> isntead of $60
2016-03-16T10:55:14 < dongs> done
2016-03-16T10:55:28 < ReadError> $2.12 a pop on the f03
2016-03-16T10:55:31 < dongs> innovation report closed
2016-03-16T10:55:38 < dongs> dear stonererror. nobody gives a fuck.
2016-03-16T10:55:45 < ReadError> idk, I mostly was just looking for a temp pid loop for something
2016-03-16T10:55:50 < lorenzo> > for around 4$ a piece
2016-03-16T10:55:51 < dongs> yeah because thats HARD
2016-03-16T10:55:51 < lorenzo> > They should be able to switch up to 380VAC at 25A
2016-03-16T10:55:52 < lorenzo> ... yeah
2016-03-16T10:56:10 < ReadError> dear dongs, stfu
2016-03-16T10:57:38 < dongs> just saying, you keep stifling innovation
2016-03-16T10:57:46 < PeterM> just buy a fuckin ebay main pid temp controller for like $10
2016-03-16T10:58:24 < dongs> you mean the kind chinaovens use
2016-03-16T10:58:47 < PeterM> i dunno, i just mean the generic inductrial ones used for evertyhing
2016-03-16T10:59:02 < jpa-> those are nice, they hide the small differences on display so that it appears super-stable :P
2016-03-16T10:59:51 < lorenzo> http://www.ebay.it/itm/271586525591
2016-03-16T10:59:53 < lorenzo> ha
2016-03-16T11:00:01 < PeterM> doesnt matter, theres enough inertia i nthe system that unles you're using it to control temp and the two options are a thermite valve and a liquid helium valve you're probably not goign to have an issues
2016-03-16T11:00:35 < dongs> now thats real innovation. support china and done.
2016-03-16T11:00:48 < dongs> does that evne include the fucking SSR?
2016-03-16T11:00:49 < dongs> lol
2016-03-16T11:01:01 < PeterM> no heatsink for ssr though
2016-03-16T11:01:09 < lorenzo> dongs: yeah
2016-03-16T11:02:16 < PeterM> yeah man, overcompensated loops 10/10
2016-03-16T11:04:34 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Building-POS-interception-device/
2016-03-16T11:04:37 < dongs> haha
2016-03-16T11:08:26 < PeterM> >ardiuno
2016-03-16T11:08:32 < dongs> wehre?>
2016-03-16T11:08:42 < dongs> ah skills required
2016-03-16T11:08:44 < dongs> ya, right
2016-03-16T11:09:53 < PeterM> wait... there is a thing where you just watch live streams of korean girls eat food... wut
2016-03-16T11:10:09 < PeterM> dafuw
2016-03-16T11:10:11 < PeterM> q
2016-03-16T11:10:49 < PeterM> nah it's like there are things way higher on my prefrences for live streams
2016-03-16T11:12:07 < dongs> pretty sure you can get livestreams of pooping
2016-03-16T11:12:39 < PeterM> yeah, thats not that high on the list of prefrences for livestreams
2016-03-16T11:15:17 < PeterM> like top of the list would be people livestreaming dash cams
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2016-03-16T11:15:52 < PeterM> or like... a day in the life or R2COM live stream
2016-03-16T11:16:17 < dongs> isnt that just fapping while playing counterstrike
2016-03-16T11:16:22 < dongs> like 18 hours a day
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2016-03-16T11:17:51 < PeterM> nah, theres like 2 hours of drinks alcohol form a plastic bottle, 2 hours of squatting 3 hours of excessive smoking and terrible dancing, a hour or so of playing in abandoned buildings etc
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2016-03-16T11:20:45 < ReadError> PeterM ive used those
2016-03-16T11:20:52 < ReadError> they are a real PITA to program
2016-03-16T11:21:08 < ReadError> plus have data over time is useful
2016-03-16T11:21:09 < dongs> pushing buttons is hard if youre a dumb cloner
2016-03-16T11:21:50 < ReadError> I need multiple readings from different places to be accounted for
2016-03-16T11:22:00 < ReadError> so yea its just not going to work
2016-03-16T11:25:35 < ReadError> maybe ill throw one of those ESP shits on for funsies
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2016-03-16T11:41:18 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Design-IOT-Product/
2016-03-16T11:42:56 < PeterM> thats soemone wanting to give yout 2k for a rpi and some software?
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2016-03-16T11:52:39 < jpa-> "some software"
2016-03-16T11:53:34 < PeterM> Looking for someone who can prototype an IOT product which will stream Live audio form a given source through Aux (15mm jack) plugin and send it to a particular server through Ethernet Port which goes into Wifi Router.
2016-03-16T11:53:44 < PeterM> that is all the information i have
2016-03-16T11:54:08 < PeterM> there is probabyl already opensource software that does that exact task already
2016-03-16T11:54:15 < dongs> and a rageberry pi
2016-03-16T11:54:18 < dongs> with a USB mic
2016-03-16T11:54:19 < dongs> amirite?
2016-03-16T11:54:29 < PeterM> pretty fukken spot on
2016-03-16T11:54:44 < dongs> i'm gonna bid 150k indian rupees and deliver that.
2016-03-16T11:55:13 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/Generation-Components-Footprints-EAGLE/
2016-03-16T11:55:29 < dongs> i'd do it for 3k for altium
2016-03-16T11:55:35 < dongs> but not in eagle
2016-03-16T11:55:46 < dongs> why the fuck would you need same shit in altium AND eagle
2016-03-16T11:56:52 < PeterM> actually probably not even a rageberry, probably one of those openwrt ar9331 thigns could do it
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2016-03-16T12:01:44 < Taxman> dongs: A lot of developers use eagle and altium. i had yesterday a customer talk who wants work done in eagle.
2016-03-16T12:05:54 < dongs> PeterM: i think he wants it to have ethernet port, tho i guess you can overdeliver and just make it have wifi.
2016-03-16T12:06:50 < dongs> haha
2016-03-16T12:06:56 < dongs> some dick bid 1mil rupees
2016-03-16T12:06:58 < dongs> on that IOT thing
2016-03-16T12:08:55 < PeterM> dongs ar9331 has ethernet, i think it even has built in phy, just need magjack
2016-03-16T12:09:10 < dongs> nice
2016-03-16T12:09:17 < dongs> is that one of those internet of dicks opensores wifi shits?
2016-03-16T12:09:38 < dongs> 1st url = openhacks, must be
2016-03-16T12:13:51 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Social-Networking/Find-Supplier-9958413/
2016-03-16T12:13:54 < dongs> how does this even work
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2016-03-16T12:15:42 < dongs> chinaman, sup
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2016-03-16T12:25:54 < upgrdman> just chinaing
2016-03-16T12:26:18 < dongs> better than assburgering
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2016-03-16T12:28:00 < upgrdman> walked past a fuckton of street food vendors that looked like food safety does not even register as one of their priorities
2016-03-16T12:28:15 < PeterM> upgrdman, it doesnt, but ususlaly takes grewat
2016-03-16T12:28:19 < PeterM> great
2016-03-16T12:29:05 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbkLjjlMV8 amuze video, crt  you may be itnerested
2016-03-16T12:29:12 < upgrdman> ya. i've already got poisioning once this trip. fuck that. and i dont even eat in the sketchy areas.
2016-03-16T12:29:33 < PeterM> are you sure its food poisoning and not your weak as shit stomach?
2016-03-16T12:29:40 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goZ2DqMnaGc and part two
2016-03-16T12:29:46 < upgrdman> pretty sure
2016-03-16T12:31:27 < upgrdman> brb
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2016-03-16T12:37:53 < ReadError> We are writing to let you know that with effect from 27 January 2016, the Slashdot Media business, which provides online services through various web sites including Slashdot.org and SourceForge.net (the "Slashdot Media Services") has been purchased by SourceForge Media LLC of 1660 Logan Avenue, San Diego, California, 92113, USA ("we" or "us").
2016-03-16T12:37:59 < ReadError> didnt know..
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2016-03-16T12:47:07 < upgrdman> was wondering why i couldnt plug shit into my bro4's usb port. a fucking dessicant bag thinggy in my backpack broke open and two of the dessicant balls were jammed up my my usb and minidp ports. lol
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2016-03-16T12:49:05 < karlp> upgrdman: dessicant bro was trying to save your ass! getting all up and securing ur p0rtz
2016-03-16T12:52:01 < upgrdman> inoite
2016-03-16T12:54:15 < Sync_> hmm, that would be a good troll
2016-03-16T12:54:37 < jpa-> now you'll have to dig deep in your bros' hole to grab the balls
2016-03-16T12:54:50 < Sync_> put usb killers on all ports and then fly to the usa
2016-03-16T12:55:28 < jpa-> and get in jail for some stupid reason?
2016-03-16T12:56:38 < upgrdman> jpa-, ya, no tools in my hotel room. i use two male jumper wires to fish it out. i had to "brb" because i wasn't pro enough to try it with the usb port powered up :)
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2016-03-16T13:03:52 < Sync_> yep jpa-
2016-03-16T13:15:38 < ReadError> youtube needs a popout feature
2016-03-16T13:18:19 < dongs> poopout
2016-03-16T13:21:31 < ReadError> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/floating-for-youtube-exte/egncdnniomonjgpjbapalkckojhkfddk?hl=en-US kewl
2016-03-16T13:23:46 < ReadError> damn this is cool as hell actually
2016-03-16T13:23:55 < ReadError> can pop it out and always on top it
2016-03-16T13:24:19 < Thorn> why is stm32f103 so expensive. I remember it being twice as cheap a couple years ago
2016-03-16T13:24:31 < Thorn> not 8+ euro
2016-03-16T13:24:37 < upgrdman> a while ago i was asking for "quality" rainbow wire in here. i have not found silicone, but i found some that is much nicer than the ebay.cn dupont shit. BPS ZW-MF-20, ZW-MM-20, ZW-FF-20. like twice as flexible as the stiff dick dupont shit.
2016-03-16T13:24:37 < upgrdman> i forgot who wanted me to tell them of what i found
2016-03-16T13:24:38 < upgrdman> maybe it was gargantua
2016-03-16T13:24:45 < ReadError> Thorn huh?
2016-03-16T13:24:47 < ReadError> like 2$
2016-03-16T13:24:49 < ReadError> on ali
2016-03-16T13:24:58 < dongs> upgrdman: i have silicone ribbon wire now
2016-03-16T13:25:10 < dongs> not rainbow tho but shrug
2016-03-16T13:25:40 < Thorn> http://eu.mouser.com/_/?Keyword=STM32F103VCT6
2016-03-16T13:25:53 < dongs> Thorn: that part is liek $3 max
2016-03-16T13:26:03 < upgrdman> orly
2016-03-16T13:26:03 < upgrdman> hmmm, price?
2016-03-16T13:26:41 < dongs> upgrdman: donno, chinagirl'd
2016-03-16T13:26:44 < dongs> got a spool of it
2016-03-16T13:26:50 < dongs> englishman will soon ahve some
2016-03-16T13:26:56 < dongs> he;ll post amazevideoreview
2016-03-16T13:27:08 < Sync_> kek
2016-03-16T13:27:09 < upgrdman> how many conductors
2016-03-16T13:27:20 < dongs> i got 6 but there was more choices
2016-03-16T13:27:28 < upgrdman> k
2016-03-16T13:27:35 < dongs> its 1.27mm pitch or whatever
2016-03-16T13:27:40 < upgrdman> ya
2016-03-16T13:33:16 < dongs> thorn, why do you need VC
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2016-03-16T13:50:14 < dongs> i know what it is
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2016-03-16T13:51:23 < Thorn> dongs: just looking at current prices for stuff that I have ordered before so that I can compare
2016-03-16T13:51:38 < dongs> oic
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2016-03-16T15:12:29 < englishman> too busy looping ddosking
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2016-03-16T15:17:06 < s1ck> Hi! does anyone have experience with virgin stm32f0 ICs? i'm trying to build a minimal circuit but I can not attach swd or use the usart bootloader
2016-03-16T15:17:42 < s1ck> i bought a bunch of them from ebay and i have to build up a minimal circuit because I broke my eval board
2016-03-16T15:19:27 < zyp> should work fine
2016-03-16T15:22:18 < s1ck> i attached vss, vdd, gnd and i' pulling boot0 high. the uart lines (pa9, pa10 on stm32f051) are pulled high correctly, so it's doing something. also it draws a little current
2016-03-16T15:22:21 < s1ck> and no smoke
2016-03-16T15:22:31 < s1ck> but i can not talk to the bootloader
2016-03-16T15:22:35 < s1ck> nor can i attach swd
2016-03-16T15:22:51 < dongs> you broke something
2016-03-16T15:23:12 < dongs> does nrst have a pullup?
2016-03-16T15:23:17 < dongs> it doesnt realyl need one but just in case
2016-03-16T15:23:28 < s1ck> ok let me try that
2016-03-16T15:24:19 < zyp> does it have avss/avdd? did you hook up those?
2016-03-16T15:24:37 < zyp> chip won't work if you leave out avdd, even if you don't use adc
2016-03-16T15:24:59 < s1ck> dongs, nothing
2016-03-16T15:25:04 < s1ck> zyp, yup i did that
2016-03-16T15:25:08 < zyp> ok, good
2016-03-16T15:25:21 < zyp> are you sure you got tx and rx right?
2016-03-16T15:25:52 < dongs> ya uh, try swapping them
2016-03-16T15:26:00 < s1ck> i tried that as well
2016-03-16T15:26:07 < s1ck> no luck
2016-03-16T15:26:13 < dongs> what are you using for bootloader
2016-03-16T15:26:17 < dongs> stm32 flash demo tool thing?
2016-03-16T15:26:22 < dongs> or some lunix junk
2016-03-16T15:26:54 < s1ck> yes, i tried the demo win app and the stm32flash tool on linux
2016-03-16T15:27:06 < s1ck> i verified that they send the signature with a LA
2016-03-16T15:27:11 < s1ck> that looks fine
2016-03-16T15:27:15 < dongs> does chip reply anything?
2016-03-16T15:27:19 < s1ck> nothing
2016-03-16T15:27:30 < zyp> I assume you've tested multiple chips?
2016-03-16T15:27:46 < s1ck> just one. do you think its faulty?
2016-03-16T15:27:59 < dongs> is it possible you could have burned it?
2016-03-16T15:28:01 < zyp> well, it sounds like you're doing everything right
2016-03-16T15:28:07 < Thorn> I went out to buy groceries and found a dc/dc board with a 34063 in the hallway
2016-03-16T15:28:28 < s1ck> i had some trouble soldering it but it should be good, i did worse on other stuff lol
2016-03-16T15:28:47 < zyp> they're kinda hard to break without applying excessive/reverse voltage, so I wouldn't bet on it being broken, but it's good to rule out
2016-03-16T15:29:13 < s1ck> ok i'll try another one. could it be that its a fake and thus crappy?
2016-03-16T15:29:23 < zyp> (and one broken with excessive voltage, they tend to fail short, so you'll notice the excessive current draw as soon as you apply power)
2016-03-16T15:29:27 < zyp> once*
2016-03-16T15:29:45 < s1ck> nah no smoke and current looks fine, ~20ma
2016-03-16T15:30:06 < zyp> I don't have any experience with fake chips
2016-03-16T15:30:20 < zyp> but if it's fake, it could be anything with a stm32 label :p
2016-03-16T15:31:46 < s1ck> hm
2016-03-16T15:33:38 < PaulFertser> s1ck: some stm32 require power to analog domain as well.
2016-03-16T15:34:03 < PaulFertser> Ah, was already mentioned.
2016-03-16T15:34:10 < dongs> covered
2016-03-16T15:35:32 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/uy9lbdj.png how does a pro route this
2016-03-16T15:36:24 < s1ck> crt, it was cheap but not that crazy cheap, like 1.5 $ each for a pack of 5
2016-03-16T15:36:37 < dongs> reasonable
2016-03-16T15:36:41 < dongs> anyway, hm
2016-03-16T15:36:48 < dongs> and how are you hooking up swd?
2016-03-16T15:36:59 < dongs> is anything else connected or is this thing on a breakout board of some sorts
2016-03-16T15:37:30 < s1ck> pa13, pa14, nrst to st link and connect under reset
2016-03-16T15:37:41 < s1ck> this is the pure ic and nothing else
2016-03-16T15:38:12 < s1ck> i didnt decouple the power but the psu is good, should that matter?
2016-03-16T15:38:35 < dongs> probly not
2016-03-16T15:38:44 < s1ck> thats what i thought
2016-03-16T15:39:16 < s1ck> lol ok
2016-03-16T15:42:31 < Thorn> isn't there an internal linear regulator in most cortex-m ICs?
2016-03-16T15:42:46 < Thorn> the core needs 1.8 or 1.2V or something like that
2016-03-16T15:43:08 < Thorn> if so, maybe it needs external caps to run
2016-03-16T15:43:58 < zyp> Thorn, depends on the chip
2016-03-16T15:44:18 < zyp> I think only f2/f4/f7 has that of the stm32s
2016-03-16T15:44:22 < kakimir> dongs: when you know let me know
2016-03-16T15:45:25 < s1ck> hm
2016-03-16T15:52:24 < dongs> this is s1ck's proj: http://www.jsykora.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DSC_0194_web.jpg
2016-03-16T15:52:46 < s1ck> lol
2016-03-16T15:53:00 < dongs> how far off am i
2016-03-16T15:53:03 < s1ck> crt, basically I just soldered the ic to a breakout board and added the power connections. that didnt work, so i added a pullup to boot0
2016-03-16T15:53:25 < dongs> is it one of those TQFP>DIP breakout things?
2016-03-16T15:53:30 < s1ck> yup
2016-03-16T15:53:35 < dongs> ok. those  definitely work
2016-03-16T15:53:40 < dongs> i've stuck a regular stm32 on there
2016-03-16T15:53:44 < dongs> even without caps and shit.
2016-03-16T15:54:12 < s1ck> hm
2016-03-16T15:54:33 < dongs> http://www.waveshare.com/stm32-qfp48.htm this is what you should get tho
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2016-03-16T15:55:11 < s1ck> yeah sure im not gonna spend 60 bucks on that
2016-03-16T15:55:24 < s1ck> if a little soldering and 1$ can do the same
2016-03-16T15:57:38 < s1ck> i mean for bga and other difficult shit, sure. i have a few of those
2016-03-16T15:58:51 < Sync_> for production that's not bad
2016-03-16T16:00:06 < zyp> wat
2016-03-16T16:00:37 < englishman> dongs: autoroute.exe
2016-03-16T16:00:40 < zyp> pre-programming chips like that is zano-level bad
2016-03-16T16:00:49 < englishman> or flip connector????????
2016-03-16T16:00:50 < s1ck> lol
2016-03-16T16:01:15 < s1ck> that would be a fun job
2016-03-16T16:01:21 < dongs> autoroute.exe looked totally awful
2016-03-16T16:01:22 < dongs> i got it tho
2016-03-16T16:01:22 < dongs> np
2016-03-16T16:01:29 < englishman> i wonder who got that pic programmer
2016-03-16T16:01:38 < dongs> whoever did paid way too much for it
2016-03-16T16:01:44 < dongs> it was like 4k gbp?
2016-03-16T16:01:53 < englishman> but wasnt it like 15k new
2016-03-16T16:02:07 < dongs> tesla model x is $90k new
2016-03-16T16:02:10 < dongs> doens't mean its not shit
2016-03-16T16:02:25 < englishman> tesla model x will ve 4kgbp in 5 years
2016-03-16T16:02:31 < dongs> also true
2016-03-16T16:02:45 < englishman> after people find the battery packs are $60k and you can only buy parts from tesla and get shit serviced at tesla
2016-03-16T16:03:05 < zyp> heh
2016-03-16T16:03:11 < englishman> and you car is remotely disabled after warranty runs out
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2016-03-16T16:08:55 < Sync_> I'm waiting for someone in germony suing tesla for not providing external garages access to their shit
2016-03-16T16:09:55 < dongs> does anyone in germany even carea bout tesla
2016-03-16T16:11:51 < Sync_> yes dongs
2016-03-16T16:13:09 < zyp> Sync_, tesla doesn't? pretty sure they do in norway
2016-03-16T16:13:27 < Sync_> they do, but they are cunts about it
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2016-03-16T17:41:57 < karlp> went to buy a car today, had called back to check it was still available, drove all the way out there, took it for a test drive, went in, agreed to the price the owner wanted, _then_ the guy at the next desk goes, "oh yeah, that's sold already, there's a guy coming at 5pm to get it"
2016-03-16T17:42:08 < karlp> fucking cuntastical
2016-03-16T17:42:17 < karlp> that's the second time exactly that has happened.
2016-03-16T17:42:55 < karlp> also had outbid on a private sale, and going inside to get the keys for a car fro a test drive that had also been sold just before we got there, but not had the price tag taken down yet.
2016-03-16T17:43:01 < karlp> fucking cars
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2016-03-16T17:52:16 < karlp> altium has a viewer, but it's meant to be licensed as well?
2016-03-16T17:52:57 < dongs> altidong viewer?
2016-03-16T17:53:18 < dongs> REGISTER FOR YOUR FREE 6-MONTH VIEWER LICENSE
2016-03-16T17:53:19 < dongs> lol
2016-03-16T17:53:34 < karlp> yeah, wtf with that
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2016-03-16T18:14:01 < Laurenceb> stupid work shit
2016-03-16T18:14:09 < Laurenceb>  "why is gui not ready"
2016-03-16T18:14:17 < Laurenceb> because hard
2016-03-16T18:14:26 < Laurenceb>  "but pc has fast processor"
2016-03-16T18:16:52 < Laurenceb>  "why not use excel macros??"
2016-03-16T18:17:27 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/Vce9Rbd.jpg
2016-03-16T18:18:16 < Sync_> sounds good
2016-03-16T18:18:25 < dongs> BREAKING: North Korea sentences 21-year-old American student Otto Warmbier to 15 years of labor for stealing a propoganda sign from a hotel; White House expected to announce undetermined level of concern
2016-03-16T18:19:18 < Laurenceb> owned
2016-03-16T18:19:23 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35818581
2016-03-16T18:20:01 < Sync_> he'll probably get free after some corn turns up
2016-03-16T18:23:31 < Laurenceb> uh oh  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298214364_Admixture_in_the_Americas_Regional_and_National_Differences
2016-03-16T18:23:45 < Laurenceb> is dat some flamebait
2016-03-16T18:25:29 < karlp> oh, so even if i get altium viewer, itð's windows only?!
2016-03-16T18:25:35 < Laurenceb> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/Funny/pico.jpg
2016-03-16T18:25:44 < dongs> karlp: what teh fuick did you expect it to be ?
2016-03-16T18:25:53 < dongs> altium is written in delphi
2016-03-16T18:26:00 < dongs> some ancient version too
2016-03-16T18:26:08 < dongs> and closely tied to directx etc.
2016-03-16T18:26:09 < Laurenceb> delphi?! lulwut
2016-03-16T18:26:17 < dongs> ya bro
2016-03-16T18:26:21 < dongs> dxp.pas
2016-03-16T18:27:31 < karlp> oh yeah, I forgot altium is just old protel with fancy pants on.
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2016-03-16T18:56:10 < karlp> heh, download summer09 atlium viewer installer from alitum themselves.
2016-03-16T18:56:19 < karlp> setup doesn't complete, "setup was interrutped before finishing"
2016-03-16T18:56:21 < karlp> ummm... no?
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2016-03-16T19:09:09 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/JrJLgzj
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2016-03-16T19:39:19 < karlp> well, it works enough to see what these files were, that's ok then I guess.
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2016-03-16T20:22:33 < kakimir> dongs: https://4portus.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/polarity-of-battery-connectors.jpg aren't those picoblades in the right?
2016-03-16T20:24:13 < kakimir> perfect it has chargeable backup battery then
2016-03-16T20:24:41 < kakimir> just make sure not to charge over 3.6volt or whatever mcus preffer to have max
2016-03-16T20:25:28 < kakimir> unless utilize some backup battery circuit with charger and ldo
2016-03-16T20:26:44 < kakimir> do you know any nice one that can charge 4.0V-4.2V from 5v and LDO with comparator cutoff?
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2016-03-16T20:27:27 < kakimir> all in some tiny package
2016-03-16T20:30:50 < englishman> yes theres a shitload of these chipz
2016-03-16T20:31:00 < englishman> charging + battery management + buckboost
2016-03-16T20:31:18 < englishman> or ldo
2016-03-16T20:31:39 < Laurenceb> hmm how do i excel
2016-03-16T20:31:46 < Laurenceb> or libreoffice even...
2016-03-16T20:31:55 < kakimir> I dont want that cuckboost part
2016-03-16T20:31:57 < englishman> 1) download libreoffice
2016-03-16T20:31:58 < Laurenceb> i need to edit an equation in a greyed out cell
2016-03-16T20:32:01 < englishman> 2) insert head into oven
2016-03-16T20:32:01 < kakimir> no need for such
2016-03-16T20:32:02 < Laurenceb> ah libcuck
2016-03-16T20:32:17 < Laurenceb> need to turn off the greying out part
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2016-03-16T21:06:31 < kakimir> I need solution to charge litium cell from 5volt rail and power vbat via extra low current LDO with comparator /w reference based shutdown
2016-03-16T21:06:44 < kakimir> also would not charge faulty cell
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2016-03-16T21:12:12 < kakimir> in one IC
2016-03-16T21:12:17 < kakimir> do you know any such?
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2016-03-16T22:10:54 < PeterM> if its jsut a cell for timekeeping (say 30mah) you could probably jsut use a zener and a resistor
2016-03-16T22:12:12 < kakimir> I could
2016-03-16T22:12:38 < kakimir> maybe if resistor is big enought there is no need to concider faulty battery
2016-03-16T22:12:48 < kakimir> just stuff that current in there
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2016-03-16T22:13:25 < PeterM> pretty much
2016-03-16T22:13:46 < kakimir> but when you count those plus comparator and ldo
2016-03-16T22:13:56 < qyx> why you not just search the webs
2016-03-16T22:14:10 < qyx> there are single IC chargers for ~0.30
2016-03-16T22:14:12 < kakimir> I get only something I dont want
2016-03-16T22:14:38 < kakimir> something like switching backup power with cuckboost
2016-03-16T22:14:40 < kakimir> bloat
2016-03-16T22:14:59 < qyx> mcp73831 for example
2016-03-16T22:15:22 < qyx> max1551
2016-03-16T22:15:47 < kakimir> does it do that ldo stuff and cutoff?
2016-03-16T22:15:57 < qyx> what ldo stuff
2016-03-16T22:17:01 < kakimir> maximum voltage for vbat is 3.6volts or so
2016-03-16T22:17:18 < kakimir> also keeping lipo at 4.2volts constant doesn't sound good
2016-03-16T22:17:19 < qyx> so use an ldo
2016-03-16T22:17:31 < qyx> the charging ic takes care of that
2016-03-16T22:17:50 < qyx> it disconnects the power source when the charging cycle is finished
2016-03-16T22:18:15 < qyx> and reconnects again with hysteresis
2016-03-16T22:18:20 < kakimir> yes it keeps lipo at 4.2volts but it's not that ideal voltage for long life for battery
2016-03-16T22:18:48 < qyx> so dont use a lipo
2016-03-16T22:18:58 < kakimir> I definitelly would
2016-03-16T22:18:59 < qyx> you cannot (shouldn't) charge a lipo with zener and a resistor
2016-03-16T22:19:08 < kakimir> okay got it
2016-03-16T22:19:09 < qyx> or use a small lifepo
2016-03-16T22:19:17 < qyx> thats 3.6max
2016-03-16T22:19:21 < qyx> and use that zener with it
2016-03-16T22:19:29 < kakimir> small lipo isn't that unsafe
2016-03-16T22:19:34 < kakimir> let it blow if it wants to
2016-03-16T22:19:43 < qyx> meh
2016-03-16T22:20:00 < kakimir> that charger ic is CC source
2016-03-16T22:20:17 < kakimir> I dont need CC source
2016-03-16T22:21:36 < qyx> it is CCCV source with proper shutdown
2016-03-16T22:22:15 < kakimir> maybe hysteresis is required
2016-03-16T22:23:54 < qyx> use NiMH then
2016-03-16T22:23:56 < qyx> :S
2016-03-16T22:24:13 < kakimir> that is discusting idea
2016-03-16T22:24:43 < kakimir> *g
2016-03-16T22:25:20 < kakimir> I try to avoid such assembly where is charger, lipo, comparator /w reference and nanopower ldo
2016-03-16T22:25:40 < kakimir> but it seems to be how it goes
2016-03-16T22:29:18 < qyx> wtf, just do it as the others do
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2016-03-16T22:29:59 < kakimir> others are CUCKS
2016-03-16T22:30:22 < qyx> cr2032
2016-03-16T22:34:00 < kakimir> you can get small lipo cell almost for the price of that
2016-03-16T22:37:24 < ohsix> i did some back of the envelope calculations for a thing with a cortex m0 and cr2032, wasn't hard to get 2 years
2016-03-16T22:38:33 < qyx> kakimir just wants to be innovative
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2016-03-16T22:40:16 < kakimir> 2years?
2016-03-16T22:40:31 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-16T22:40:38 < kakimir> give me ten
2016-03-16T22:40:45 < ohsix> low duty cycle, if it was as deterministic as a clock it would probably last a lot longer
2016-03-16T22:40:55 < ohsix> get stm32cube it has a power calculator in it
2016-03-16T22:41:23 < ohsix> if it's just a clock you'd just have the 32khz clock source or whatever and it'd probably last a long ass time
2016-03-16T22:42:30 < ohsix> you can still turn on main/faster clock and do some quick work and last for ages tho
2016-03-16T22:44:45 < kakimir> can you power up stm32 from that vbat pin?
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2016-03-16T22:45:54 < ohsix> dunno
2016-03-16T22:46:10 < ohsix> i'm still looking at datasheets for most things, and it hasn't been across a lot of parts
2016-03-16T22:46:11 < qyx> no
2016-03-16T22:46:21 < qyx> see the reference manual
2016-03-16T22:46:28 < qyx> it has drawings for this
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2016-03-16T22:55:30 < karlp> the "getting startted with hardware" doc has this all too.
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2016-03-16T22:56:51 < kakimir> when you have lipo
2016-03-16T22:57:14 < kakimir> you can use it for the lifetile of the device
2016-03-16T22:57:55 < ohsix> price also goes way up for extra parts, power consumption too
2016-03-16T22:58:01 < ohsix> self discharge is higher
2016-03-16T22:58:16 < kakimir> be it once a year powered
2016-03-16T22:58:25 < kakimir> for 10years
2016-03-16T22:58:42 < kakimir> 10cycles for lipo
2016-03-16T22:58:52 < ohsix> only time you might do lipo instead of cr2032 for some 25mA cell or whatever, is when you might need several times the discharge current of the cr2032
2016-03-16T22:59:27 < kakimir> like actually powering something
2016-03-16T22:59:34 < kakimir> periodically
2016-03-16T23:00:04 < ohsix> if you have current / duty cycle in mind already, stick it into cube and you're done
2016-03-16T23:00:04 < qyx> be cool and use zinc air
2016-03-16T23:00:15 < qyx> for one month of full awesomeness
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2016-03-16T23:00:22 < ohsix> it can use other battery chemistries
2016-03-16T23:00:24 < kakimir> I dont cube
2016-03-16T23:01:02 < ohsix> my condolences, had you you'd be done
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2016-03-16T23:04:31 < kakimir> I dont know
2016-03-16T23:04:50 < kakimir> download install take a look
2016-03-16T23:05:03 < kakimir> easily a 30min
2016-03-16T23:05:31 < ohsix> sure, but then you can ask it how long it will work for your existing thing with the lipo too, and with different capacity cells
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2016-03-16T23:06:13 < ohsix> hypothetically if you could run something for 10 years on a cr2032, you couldn't with a similarly rated lipo; the self discharge and stuff will be way higher
2016-03-16T23:06:36 < kakimir> calc.exe does pretty good
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2016-03-16T23:07:23 < kakimir> there is periodical powerup
2016-03-16T23:07:33 < kakimir> and charge
2016-03-16T23:07:53 < ohsix> http://www.emcu.it/STM32Cube/Cube3.png
2016-03-16T23:08:45 < ohsix> stm32cube is just a dumb gui for the xml files that come with the cmsis kit for the processor
2016-03-16T23:09:16 < Steffanx> dump..
2016-03-16T23:09:26 < Steffanx> you want to command line tool together something?
2016-03-16T23:09:39 < Steffanx> *dumb
2016-03-16T23:09:48 < ohsix> i would, maybe not for this but for the other stuff in the xml files
2016-03-16T23:10:03 < ohsix> stopped short of just writing it
2016-03-16T23:10:10 < kakimir> I dont see the need
2016-03-16T23:10:11 < Steffanx> I feel truly sorry for you.
2016-03-16T23:10:20 < ohsix> to do the linker scripts if you're not just using someone elses you need to look at the xml D:
2016-03-16T23:10:29 < ohsix> you just need 2 values out of it
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2016-03-16T23:11:12 < ohsix> it's better than no interchange format, except keil is the only one really doing anything with it
2016-03-16T23:11:57 < ohsix> svdconv can generate headers at least
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2016-03-16T23:12:57 < ohsix> in theory all you need is the svd xml file for any type of arm ip and nothing else to at least get going with cmsis and sw from other integrators
2016-03-16T23:13:59 < ohsix> oh heyyy this is new https://github.com/postspectacular/cmsis-svd-srcgen
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2016-03-16T23:14:32 < Steffanx> Java 7+
2016-03-16T23:14:44 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-16T23:14:49 < ohsix> at least i don't have to write it
2016-03-16T23:15:22 < ohsix> you could rip the xsl' they use and do most of the stuff with xsltproc or something
2016-03-16T23:15:31 < ohsix> almost everything xml gets you close to java
2016-03-16T23:17:32 < ohsix> it was 'inspired' by a python thing that does the same
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2016-03-16T23:26:53 < ohsix> considering how small the xsl that does it actually is i feel kind of dum for not having done so, but i still don't know xsl ;D
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2016-03-16T23:48:17 < kakimir> maybe having a 3volt ldo would do ass battery protection
2016-03-16T23:48:20 < kakimir> ad
2016-03-16T23:48:25 < kakimir> asss
2016-03-16T23:48:50 < kakimir> wait no
2016-03-16T23:59:00 < kakimir> I wonder if there is such ldo that could turn itself off when input voltage is not met
2016-03-16T23:59:15 < ohsix> you mean drop out?
2016-03-16T23:59:51 < kakimir> I actually mean output voltage
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2016-03-17T00:00:14 < ohsix> what happens when a regulator drops out might be considered turning itself off
2016-03-17T00:01:03 < kakimir> drop out?
2016-03-17T00:01:30 < kakimir> regulators I have seen keep operating but output voltage is not met
2016-03-17T00:02:19 < kakimir> it's just Vin - Vdo
2016-03-17T00:03:11 < kakimir> but I wonder if there is such that output voltage goes to 0v when not enought input voltage
2016-03-17T00:04:59 < ohsix> do you need it to go to 0v or just less than 1.8v or whatever the thing it's connected to will operate at
2016-03-17T00:05:07 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-17T00:09:55 < ohsix> you might be able to find one that does that, but you can also use a zener/comparator to shut off the ipnut or something
2016-03-17T00:10:18 < ohsix> something that is related to charge control might have those kind of features
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2016-03-17T00:23:01 < Steffanx> Welcome back.
2016-03-17T00:29:52 < Steffanx> Wonderful. And you over there on the otherside of the globe?
2016-03-17T00:30:26 < Steffanx> and then some pumping?
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2016-03-17T00:32:09 < Steffanx> ok ok
2016-03-17T00:34:37 < Steffanx> Im not into adventures, more a fps guy.
2016-03-17T00:37:50 < Steffanx> day job is over. It's getting close to 00.00 here.
2016-03-17T00:44:21 < englishman> 7pm and the sun is still up
2016-03-17T00:44:23 < englishman> <3 dst
2016-03-17T00:50:35 < Steffanx> So why keiling crt?
2016-03-17T00:50:41 < Steffanx> because .. dongs?
2016-03-17T00:53:59 < Getty> awesome.... if i do anything connectwise (connect target, or connect st-link itself) with the st-link (which is connected to my linux computer) then the keyboard of my windows computer "restarts" and "reconnects".... <scratchhead>... thats fishy
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2016-03-17T01:12:44 < Getty> lol i love doing QA, its like, always the first 2-3 devices are the ones making errors and you are for some time not sure if there is an error with your env or if its really the devices, drives me crazy
2016-03-17T01:13:04 < Getty> in this case it seems that like all the SD cards are fucked...... \o/ ah love winning the lottery
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2016-03-17T01:27:15 < Laurenceb_> sigh
2016-03-17T01:27:31 < Laurenceb_> apparently I need to consider user experience and USPs
2016-03-17T01:27:52 < Getty> haha
2016-03-17T01:28:00 < Getty> user experience is overrated! stone age was fine!
2016-03-17T01:28:32 < Getty> crt: i think your set of solutions is very limited ;-)
2016-03-17T01:28:57 < lorenzo> https://normandoors.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/keyboard.jpg
2016-03-17T01:28:59 < lorenzo> who said user experience
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2016-03-17T01:31:01 < Laurenceb_> apparently my ADS1298 driver code is useless
2016-03-17T01:31:20 < Laurenceb_> as no simple bullet point USP or user experience
2016-03-17T01:31:39 < Laurenceb_> so I have to work on GUI with nice fonts etc
2016-03-17T01:31:41 < Laurenceb_>  :-S
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2016-03-17T01:34:36 < Laurenceb_> ah cool, but can it ENHANCE  ?
2016-03-17T01:34:59 < dongs> kakimir: no thats jst-xh or something
2016-03-17T01:35:15 < dongs> err neer mind didnt scroll right
2016-03-17T01:35:17 < Laurenceb_> lol someone just got fired
2016-03-17T01:35:18 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/710125441529487360
2016-03-17T01:36:49 < Getty> ah... a new reply for stupid questions: http://i.imgur.com/GIyh0q5.gif
2016-03-17T01:37:26 < Laurenceb_> is dat youtube comments section?
2016-03-17T01:37:55 < Getty> thats the "ELI5: How youtube comments are made?"
2016-03-17T01:39:28 < Laurenceb_> holy shit this is funny
2016-03-17T01:39:53 < Laurenceb_> Elon Musk bought congress by enlisting the help of evil and rabid John McCain
2016-03-17T01:40:08 < Laurenceb_> yup ULA employee just got fired
2016-03-17T01:40:39 < dongs> http://nsa38.casimages.com/img/2016/03/15/160315111941769159.jpg
2016-03-17T01:41:12 < Laurenceb_> whyyy why would you run linux on an autopilot
2016-03-17T01:41:28 < Laurenceb_> I mean I run linux on my pc and I think thats mad
2016-03-17T01:43:29 < kakimir> dongs: jst-gh?
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2016-03-17T01:50:56 < kakimir> calculations say that my circuit without leakage of charger, lipo or mlccs would power up rtc for 2000days
2016-03-17T01:51:04 < kakimir> with 100mAh lipo
2016-03-17T01:51:41 < kakimir> and then.. you recharge it
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2016-03-17T01:54:47 < kakimir> shiet
2016-03-17T01:55:15 < kakimir> the charger leaks more than the thing itself consumes + lipo dischargers
2016-03-17T01:56:09 < kakimir> it leaks mad
2016-03-17T01:56:14 < kakimir> -5.5µA
2016-03-17T01:56:17 < kakimir> typical
2016-03-17T01:58:50 < kakimir> but there is positive values like 0.25µA for Vdd floating
2016-03-17T01:59:14 < kakimir> 0.15µA for Vdd< Vstop
2016-03-17T02:01:05 < kakimir> meaning shutdown
2016-03-17T02:02:48 < kakimir> maybe negative means that transistor actually leaks current to battery
2016-03-17T02:04:13 < kakimir> okay I get 1000days now everything but mlccs calculated
2016-03-17T02:04:39 < kakimir> 10days for 1mAh
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2016-03-17T02:07:42 < lorenzo> http://hforsten.com/img/diy-bga/3reflow_oven.jpg
2016-03-17T02:07:44 < kakimir> I don't know how much small cells leak
2016-03-17T02:07:46 < lorenzo> so it's a trend now
2016-03-17T02:07:55 < lorenzo> cheap oven, cheap ssr, cheap pid controller
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2016-03-17T02:08:06 < kakimir> ghetto is real
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2016-03-17T02:09:53 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlZgiK6FiO0
2016-03-17T02:10:04 < kakimir> musicspams
2016-03-17T02:11:56 < englishman> lorenzo: the one i got isnt even pid
2016-03-17T02:12:02 < englishman> since, i mean, the thermal mass inside doesnt change often
2016-03-17T02:12:20 < englishman> so it just learns how to best pwm the elements to keep it on the desired curve
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2016-03-17T02:12:38 < englishman> works super grate
2016-03-17T02:13:17 < lorenzo> englishman: I think for most of these applications a window comparator with a large enough hysteresis window is fine
2016-03-17T02:13:27 < lorenzo> aka: an if
2016-03-17T02:13:38 < englishman> yeah pretty much
2016-03-17T02:13:40 < englishman> no need for pid
2016-03-17T02:13:50 < englishman> i was going to control furnace the same way
2016-03-17T02:14:00 < englishman> wood burning
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2016-03-17T02:23:18 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/headset/
2016-03-17T02:23:21 < dongs> good luck, jews
2016-03-17T02:24:13 < englishman> arent there single chip solutions to this
2016-03-17T02:24:29 < dongs> yes, that uhh CSR or wahtever thing.
2016-03-17T02:24:35 < dongs> but not for $250 inclusive prototype
2016-03-17T02:24:43 < kakimir> dongs: mossad ear piece?
2016-03-17T02:24:59 < englishman> buy $15 headset on amazon, take apart, submit as prototype
2016-03-17T02:25:43 < englishman> not bad weekend job for someoen 14-17 who wants money to buy pokemons
2016-03-17T02:26:33 < dongs> o shit good idea
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2016-03-17T02:32:53 < ohsix> this and fonts?
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2016-03-17T02:37:28 < kakimir> because they fucked up
2016-03-17T02:37:58 < kakimir> are you running some legacy software?
2016-03-17T02:39:02 < kakimir> they did funny thing they based those software around certain dpi or so
2016-03-17T02:39:53 < kakimir> and bitmap fonts
2016-03-17T02:40:38 < kakimir> so scalling ruins it no matter what
2016-03-17T02:41:00 < ohsix> bitmap uber alles
2016-03-17T02:41:26 < kakimir> dongs: search with "dpi" in start menu
2016-03-17T02:42:19 < kakimir> then scale application size from 125 or 150% back to 100%
2016-03-17T02:42:52 < ohsix> can you edit the font fallback/substitution stuff on windows like you can with fontconfig?
2016-03-17T02:44:21 < ohsix> i think they just stopped trying to be clever for not directwrite or direct2d applications
2016-03-17T02:44:34 < kakimir> can you config anything in win10?
2016-03-17T02:44:39 < kakimir> change some colors
2016-03-17T02:44:44 < kakimir> that's about it
2016-03-17T02:45:05 < kakimir> you cant even add your own apps to start meny
2016-03-17T02:45:33 < kakimir> you are in propiertary control zone
2016-03-17T02:46:12 < kakimir> you cant add your own shortcuts to startmenu
2016-03-17T02:46:17 < kakimir> only faggot tiles
2016-03-17T02:46:50 < kakimir> you know him?
2016-03-17T02:48:22 < ohsix> erh heh
2016-03-17T02:48:40 < ohsix> looks like it's the same crap as anything in the past since 95 to add something to the 'start menu' https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/hh127425(v=vs.85).aspx
2016-03-17T02:49:30 < kakimir> I have 125%
2016-03-17T02:49:54 < kakimir> because.. 100% in this 13" screen
2016-03-17T02:50:08 < kakimir> impossible
2016-03-17T02:50:41 < kakimir> I have 10
2016-03-17T02:51:30 < kakimir> it seems everything butt 125% also kinda ruins fonts and stuff
2016-03-17T02:52:07 < kakimir> maybe it requires some windows reboot magic to load some different dpi fonts and stuff
2016-03-17T02:52:38 < kakimir> if it's just kind of crappy preview
2016-03-17T02:52:40 < fenugrec> has anyone seen a cheap pcb like this http://www.aliexpress.com/item/.../2019022425.html but with an F072 ? like a f072disco, only even cheaper ?
2016-03-17T02:55:43 < kakimir> that is how gay windows is.. every change requires reboot
2016-03-17T02:56:13 < kakimir> it cant reconfigure on fly
2016-03-17T02:56:48 < ohsix> you can but why bother knowing how for $randomshit
2016-03-17T02:57:03 < kakimir> there is no way to 100% b usable for me
2016-03-17T02:57:10 < kakimir> and 150% is granny mode
2016-03-17T02:58:27 < ohsix> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/215584-j-display-demos-first-17-3-inch-8k-panel hurr watts per frame
2016-03-17T03:00:45 < kakimir> it's getting ridicoulous
2016-03-17T03:02:57 < kakimir> I just got to 1080p minimum on all my displays
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2016-03-17T03:05:22 < kakimir> if it's the old api
2016-03-17T03:05:31 < kakimir> it blurs the shiet
2016-03-17T03:06:07 < kakimir> 100% should show old apps as they were in windows xp
2016-03-17T03:06:09 < kakimir> or so
2016-03-17T03:06:46 < kakimir> everything should work
2016-03-17T03:07:51 < ohsix> it's a ratio
2016-03-17T03:08:10 < ohsix> it doesn't even imply some things will be scaled (like a bitmap which might be not point filtered)
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2016-03-17T03:15:16 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-17T03:15:42 < kakimir> everything looks quite okay in every setting
2016-03-17T03:16:02 < kakimir> blur becomes obivious with old api at 150%
2016-03-17T03:28:56 < dongs> fuck you di.fm
2016-03-17T03:29:14 < dongs> when I click on something that doesnt say VOCAL in it I dont want to hear any dudes singing
2016-03-17T03:29:17 < dongs> period
2016-03-17T03:29:41 < ohsix> music outside of the vocal genre will have vocals in it sometimes brooooooooo
2016-03-17T03:32:06 < jadew> tried to repair my old LCD again... I failed
2016-03-17T03:32:32 < jadew> I think it's the CCFLs and I don't know where to buy new ones
2016-03-17T03:33:29 < jadew> one of the voltage sense resistors is heating up quite a bit (3 MOhm resistor)
2016-03-17T03:33:46 < jadew> so I assume that the CCFL it's measuring from isn't turning on
2016-03-17T03:33:56 < jadew> so the voltage remains very high
2016-03-17T03:34:25 < jadew> crt, I don't feel like waiting a month
2016-03-17T03:34:53 < jadew> I'll just buy 3 new ones and hope for the best
2016-03-17T03:35:18 < jadew> looks like Philips and Dell (the mid-range monitors) have shitty panels - not sure if I mentioned that before
2016-03-17T03:36:04 < jadew> R2COM, they have mid-range monitors too
2016-03-17T03:36:29 < jadew> at ~$300-$400
2016-03-17T03:36:48 < jadew> that would be mid-range no?
2016-03-17T03:37:00 < jadew> what's pleb?
2016-03-17T03:37:20 < ohsix> that is mid range
2016-03-17T03:37:49 < jadew> crt, nice
2016-03-17T03:38:11 < jadew> I don't know if I'll be able to go larger than 24"
2016-03-17T03:38:54 < jadew> that's nice
2016-03-17T03:39:06 < Laurenceb_> oh dear http://d3hp9ud7yvwzy0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/devices.png
2016-03-17T03:39:09 < jadew> last thing I got from work was a t-shirt
2016-03-17T03:39:12 < Laurenceb_> main qt page
2016-03-17T03:39:13 < jadew> 7 years ago or so
2016-03-17T03:40:07 < Laurenceb_> will be if i can steal the source code :P
2016-03-17T03:40:14 < Laurenceb_> unless its a pure mock up
2016-03-17T03:40:41 < ohsix> pure cock up
2016-03-17T03:40:46 < ohsix> gents
2016-03-17T03:42:40 < dongs> autism6: while you were assburgering, keil released free mdk for cortex-m0/m0+
2016-03-17T03:42:45 < dongs> so you have no excuse to ever use gcc
2016-03-17T03:42:54 < ohsix> you told me that already
2016-03-17T03:43:20 < dongs> just reinforcing
2016-03-17T03:43:39 < ohsix> i didn't set up that computer yet either
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2016-03-17T03:44:27 < jadew> dongs, is gcc that bad compared to keil's compiler?
2016-03-17T03:44:52 < ohsix> no
2016-03-17T03:45:01 < Laurenceb_> gcc is about as good now
2016-03-17T03:45:01 < ohsix> requires a lot less setup/effor tho
2016-03-17T03:45:13 < Laurenceb_> it was better than IAR last year when I tested
2016-03-17T03:45:34 < ohsix> me being lazy is more of a problem of keil or not
2016-03-17T03:45:38 < Laurenceb_> barely better
2016-03-17T03:45:42 < Laurenceb_> there isnt much in it
2016-03-17T03:45:59 < Laurenceb_> about 4 years ago GCC was a long way off almost all the commercial compilers
2016-03-17T03:46:09 < ohsix> [citation needed]
2016-03-17T03:46:19 < ohsix> mostly because gcc hasn't changed all that radically in 4 years
2016-03-17T03:46:19 < dongs> jadew: gcc still doesn't emit rev16
2016-03-17T03:46:25 < Laurenceb_> now its competitive, but ARM compiler is probably the best by a little margin
2016-03-17T03:46:25 < dongs> and its optimizer still sucks compared to keil
2016-03-17T03:46:44 < Laurenceb_> use inline asm
2016-03-17T03:46:50 < Laurenceb_> for rev16
2016-03-17T03:46:53 < dongs> ...
2016-03-17T03:47:01 < dongs> you dont use inline asm in keil, for exactly that reason
2016-03-17T03:47:05 < dongs> that you dont NEED TO
2016-03-17T03:47:10 < dongs> its smarter than you think you are.
2016-03-17T03:47:24 < ohsix> what does keil use rev16 for
2016-03-17T03:48:07 < dongs> uint8_t ff[2]; uint16_t foo = ff[0] << 8 | ff[1] type stuff.
2016-03-17T03:48:10 < ohsix> it's a bit hard to talk about this stuff in terms of 'better', gcc could be making a better decision that leaves no use for rev16, keil could be doing something simpler that just preferse changing words around
2016-03-17T03:48:13 < ohsix> right
2016-03-17T03:49:40 < Laurenceb_> http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwj_1M6GzcbLAhWBYw8KHcHxDV4QFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fraisonance.com%2Ftzr%2Fscripts%2Fdownloader2.php%3Ffilename%3DT020%2Fmedia%2F07%2Fc9%2F1kmm1akx6gr%26mime%3Dapplication%2Fpdf%26originalname%3DAN0052-ARM-C-Benchmark.pdf&usg=AFQjCNG1O24-SYzJyTl0nKmwyQqlABc18A&cad=rja
2016-03-17T03:49:45 < Laurenceb_> shit google
2016-03-17T03:50:35 < Laurenceb_> GCC is competitive in 2013, its improved since then
2016-03-17T03:50:44 < Laurenceb_> as long as you avoid printf aids
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2016-03-17T03:51:01 < fenugrec> gcc still has a bug in C11 atomics on M0 IIRC
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2016-03-17T03:53:27 < dongs> luckily nobody should be using that shit on embedded
2016-03-17T03:53:59 < fenugrec> some RTOS might use atomics.
2016-03-17T03:54:14 < ohsix> they have the runtime support for anything c++ on those targets?
2016-03-17T03:54:23 < ohsix> that's a big chunk of libstdc++
2016-03-17T03:54:25 < fenugrec> esp. on M0, no bit banding, no strex/ldrex
2016-03-17T03:54:32 < fenugrec> atomics != c++
2016-03-17T03:54:33 < dongs> oh youre not talking std::atomic trash?
2016-03-17T03:54:36 < ohsix> or equiv from newlib
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2016-03-17T03:54:45 < ohsix> oh you said c11, i misread
2016-03-17T03:54:55 < fenugrec> no no no. basic atomic variables, test_and_set, etc
2016-03-17T03:55:01 < ohsix> right
2016-03-17T03:55:10 < ohsix> there's a memory model in c11 too isn't there
2016-03-17T03:55:15 < dongs> crazy fucktards do use c++11 and std
2016-03-17T03:55:28 < dongs> liek assholeware
2016-03-17T03:55:31 < fenugrec> c++11 && std on embedded ? nobody does that
2016-03-17T03:55:36 < fenugrec> well not on baremetal
2016-03-17T03:55:40 < fenugrec> I hope?
2016-03-17T03:55:55 < ohsix> they do -fno-rtti and shit too olol
2016-03-17T03:55:58 < dongs> on LPC7168
2016-03-17T03:56:05 < dongs> or 1768 whatever
2016-03-17T03:56:06 < ohsix> there's probably people doing it where it doesn't  matter
2016-03-17T03:56:15 < ohsix> if you had a meg or two of flash
2016-03-17T03:56:41 < fenugrec> anyway, last time I checked, gcc emitted a ldr.b + str.b for atomic_test_and_set, with no interupt disable : (
2016-03-17T03:57:02 < ohsix> weird
2016-03-17T03:57:09 < ohsix> doesn't anything armv6+ have test and set
2016-03-17T03:57:18 < fenugrec> not M0 !
2016-03-17T03:57:21 < fenugrec> M0+ maybe ?
2016-03-17T03:57:25 < jadew> most of the std:: stuff shouldn't eat too much space (flash or RAM)
2016-03-17T03:57:28 < dongs> fenugrec: err, isnt there a single instruction for this? or is that not on m0
2016-03-17T03:57:31 < ohsix> gcc being unreadable makes it hard to just answer these questions
2016-03-17T03:57:33 < dongs> ldrsomethignw
2016-03-17T03:57:38 < dongs> cmsis has intrinsics for it
2016-03-17T03:57:44 < fenugrec> dongs , yeah no, probably > M0
2016-03-17T03:57:45 < dongs> if thats what you want,m you should use that stuff
2016-03-17T03:57:46 < jadew> I never used it, but most things have a very low fingerprint
2016-03-17T03:57:49 < dongs> instead of hoping compiler to doi t
2016-03-17T03:57:53 < jadew> *small
2016-03-17T03:58:42 < ohsix> there's a ldrex/strex thing that can work with multicore junk
2016-03-17T03:59:13 < dongs> fenugrec: https://github.com/Smoothieware/Smoothieware/blob/edge/src/libs/ConfigCache.cpp c++11 on embedded
2016-03-17T03:59:20 < ohsix> i thought there was a literal test and set instruction in v6+, still looking
2016-03-17T03:59:48 < fenugrec> ohsix if you find one, please tell me - I thought I had checked pretty thoroughly, but maybe I missed it somehow !
2016-03-17T04:00:04 < ohsix> dongs: hurr auto is neat ;D
2016-03-17T04:00:08 < dongs> not at all
2016-03-17T04:00:14 < dongs> it breeds laziness
2016-03-17T04:00:19 < dongs> and leads to shit code
2016-03-17T04:00:23 < dongs> like 90% of assholeware
2016-03-17T04:00:31 < dongs> its like in C++ for zero reasons
2016-03-17T04:00:37 < ohsix> but it also doesn't matter / generate lots of code, which is rare for c++
2016-03-17T04:00:40 < jadew> nah, there are reasons
2016-03-17T04:00:51 < dongs> no legit re asons
2016-03-17T04:00:56 < ohsix> it's the same type of thing oyu might get with __typeof(foo) bar
2016-03-17T04:01:06 < jadew> when you have lots of nested template parameters only to finaly say ::iterator
2016-03-17T04:01:11 < fenugrec> (borderline spamming here), but - who sells cheap-as-dirt F072 boards ?  cheaper than F072 disco ?
2016-03-17T04:01:29 < dongs> er, how ch eap do you want it?
2016-03-17T04:01:33 < dongs> disco is pretty cheap
2016-03-17T04:01:35 < ohsix> you do! :D i don't know if there are any ebay clonws or anything in the wild
2016-03-17T04:01:39 < dongs> is there a small 072 nucleo?
2016-03-17T04:01:51 < fenugrec> dongs  nucleo is roughly same price as disco, 10-15$
2016-03-17T04:01:54 < dongs> http://www.st-japan.co.jp/web/catalog/tools/FM116/CL1620/SC959/SS1532/LN1847/PF260003
2016-03-17T04:02:00 < jadew> std::list< std::pair<std::string, std::string> >::iterator
2016-03-17T04:02:05 < jadew> yeah, I'd rather type auto
2016-03-17T04:02:10 < fenugrec> I was hoping for a cheapass 3-4-5-ish board with no SWD maybe
2016-03-17T04:02:27 < fenugrec> do stm32's even get cloned or are they cheap enough as-is ?
2016-03-17T04:02:45 < ohsix> the f103 clone i have is from the maple or something, 3.50$ usd on ebay
2016-03-17T04:02:59 < ohsix> just breaks out the lqfp with a button and some other stuff to a dip package
2016-03-17T04:03:02 < fenugrec> ohsix yep seen that one, good candidate, but I want F072 on there !
2016-03-17T04:03:21 < ohsix> right
2016-03-17T04:03:22 < dongs> buy it
2016-03-17T04:03:23 < dongs> buy 072
2016-03-17T04:03:25 < dongs> solder.
2016-03-17T04:03:32 < dongs> it might be / is pin compatible
2016-03-17T04:03:34 < ohsix> you could swap, the pinout is probably almost the same
2016-03-17T04:03:35 < fenugrec> + make PCB + order PCB + etc
2016-03-17T04:03:40 < fenugrec> oooh now that's cocky
2016-03-17T04:03:43 < ohsix> ask the people that sell th em if they'll put f072's on it
2016-03-17T04:04:16 < fenugrec> also a reasonable idea. So ok, there isn't already something obvious available
2016-03-17T04:04:49 < ohsix> https://github.com/ivmai/libatomic_ops/blob/master/src/atomic_ops/sysdeps/gcc/arm.h
2016-03-17T04:04:59 < ohsix> not that i've seen
2016-03-17T04:05:09 < ohsix> cheaptown is basically the f103, it's in everything
2016-03-17T04:05:27 < ohsix> stm8 parts are like a dollar on a little dip board on ebay tho, if you can manage with one of those
2016-03-17T04:05:27 < fenugrec> yeah too bad it doesn't do USB + CAN
2016-03-17T04:05:53 < ohsix> ah
2016-03-17T04:06:03 < dongs> does 072 usb+can at same time?
2016-03-17T04:06:15 < ohsix> usb/can overlaps on the same pins on a lot of parts doesn't it
2016-03-17T04:06:25 < dongs> cuz f1 doesnt.
2016-03-17T04:06:40 < dongs> no, it has alternative function but the periperals share ram
2016-03-17T04:06:40 < fenugrec> F072 does. You split the PMA buffer as you wish, F1 is "pick one"
2016-03-17T04:06:44 < dongs> ok
2016-03-17T04:07:05 < ohsix> cube sux but it also has a parametric search thing that will tell you exactly wat parts you could use, might get lucky and there will be a clone of that one
2016-03-17T04:07:15 < fenugrec> good call on the pinout, it's identical except 2-3 pins
2016-03-17T04:07:50 < ohsix> what's the usb on the f072, device, host full/high speed?
2016-03-17T04:08:00 < fenugrec> slightly different VDDA pin though, I'll have to check this. F072 USB = device FS only
2016-03-17T04:09:22 < ohsix> f042, f103, f302/303/373 all have can/usb
2016-03-17T04:09:39 < fenugrec> F042 = less mem, F103 = non simultaneous, F3 = more $ possibly ?
2016-03-17T04:09:48 < ohsix> $ definitely
2016-03-17T04:10:08 < dongs> HUGE DISCOUNT ON PFIZER
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2016-03-17T04:11:43 < ohsix> once you get to the nucleo boards they're all pretty much 22-25$USD
2016-03-17T04:12:17 < fenug_> I guess >50 wireless connections isn't enough to have a reliable IRC connection... http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=439b0af
2016-03-17T04:14:16 < ohsix> still xp huh
2016-03-17T04:14:21 < dongs> another fucking tune ruined by vocals
2016-03-17T04:14:24 < dongs> FUCK DI.FM; DI.FM SUX; DI.FM IS DYING; DI.FM IS DEAD TO ME; DI.FM HIT WTC
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2016-03-17T04:14:55 < ohsix> man i was an idiot and held out way way way too long on xp, all the stuff i thought i'd lose or whatever by going to 7 didn't matter; and everything i 'learned' and was retarded on xp was obsoleeet
2016-03-17T04:15:16 < upgrdman> how do i mirror a symbol in altium (not rotate)
2016-03-17T04:15:28 < ohsix> flip?
2016-03-17T04:15:42 < jadew> try X or Y
2016-03-17T04:16:00 < ohsix> yea that
2016-03-17T04:16:11 < ohsix> i don't know altium but ij ust checked a key combo ref
2016-03-17T04:16:25 < dongs> upgrdman: drag it and x/y yeah.
2016-03-17T04:16:35 < upgrdman> ahh i had to drag first.
2016-03-17T04:16:38 < upgrdman> thx
2016-03-17T04:16:53 < ohsix> why drag first, to select it without opening any context stuff?
2016-03-17T04:16:55 < dongs> what version of altium is chan running
2016-03-17T04:17:03 < englishman> 16.0.8
2016-03-17T04:17:03 < dongs> china, rather
2016-03-17T04:17:10 < englishman> summer 07
2016-03-17T04:17:17 < dongs> more like protel99
2016-03-17T04:17:21 < upgrdman> im on 16.0.8
2016-03-17T04:17:22 < dongs> speakingf .08 i should move that iso
2016-03-17T04:17:34 < englishman> 16.0.8 is great
2016-03-17T04:17:40 < upgrdman> but im using a legit version
2016-03-17T04:17:47 < englishman> so am i
2016-03-17T04:17:51 < upgrdman> not sure why china dvd is
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2016-03-17T04:18:05 < dongs> china dvd?
2016-03-17T04:18:15 < ohsix> does it go by year?
2016-03-17T04:18:20 < ohsix> i've got 15
2016-03-17T04:18:20 < upgrdman> street vendors of torrented shit
2016-03-17T04:18:31 < ohsix> more like CRAXED BY RUBOARD
2016-03-17T04:19:01 < ohsix> did they stop using firefox 4 for the ui
2016-03-17T04:19:19 < ohsix> in 16
2016-03-17T04:19:45 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: fenug_, emeb, XTL, rene-dev, nikomo, dekar
2016-03-17T04:23:44 < dongs> englishman: did you check of 072 can USB DFU wiht 24mhz xtal?
2016-03-17T04:23:59 < englishman> memory sez yes
2016-03-17T04:24:09 < englishman> but i dont trust my memory, i trust the datasheet
2016-03-17T04:24:25 < dongs> top side of that shit finally heading to oven
2016-03-17T04:24:31 < dongs> and sending today wiht rest of doges
2016-03-17T04:24:44 < englishman> oh shit i thought it got sent monday :'(
2016-03-17T04:24:53 < dongs> no thats just doges + pcb
2016-03-17T04:24:55 < englishman> ok
2016-03-17T04:25:00 < dongs> and I forgot dogefc stencil, will send that too
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2016-03-17T04:25:17 < ohsix> if you don't know about the firefox altium thing, put about:mozilla in the location bar
2016-03-17T04:25:19 < dongs> i was assburgering like crazy
2016-03-17T04:25:38 < ohsix> doing wat
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2016-03-17T04:25:52 < dongs> chatting with autism6
2016-03-17T04:25:52 < ohsix> did you do fpv rc car yet, or diy taiko no        tatsujin controller
2016-03-17T04:25:59 < englishman> too much innovation cant keep track
2016-03-17T04:26:46 < ohsix> heh about:memory actually works
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2016-03-17T04:28:40 < fenug_> ohsix : that link on GH you posted erlier (atomic_ops/...arm.h), I'm not sure where M0 fits in there, but I opened the stm32 M0 prog manual (PM0215) and there's no ldrex/strex. Which seems to be the basis for most of the stuff in that header
2016-03-17T04:29:09 < ohsix> fenug_: that's just what i cross reference when looking at this thing, didn't look at m0, got sidetracked
2016-03-17T04:29:17 < ohsix> there's also the memory barrier thing and swp
2016-03-17T04:29:28 < fenug_> ohsix oh ok. I thought you saw something specific
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2016-03-17T04:29:46 < ohsix> from what i remember of chatter about libatomic_ops is that atomicops didn't work on v6 due to no instructions to do it, it is sort of faked in an optimistic way that sometimes breaks
2016-03-17T04:30:05 < fenugrec> (sweet netsplit, guess 50 connections isn't enough http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=439b0af )
2016-03-17T04:31:01 < fenugrec> well it's ugly, but doing a (save + disable, X, restore) interrupts should be pretty bulletproof ?
2016-03-17T04:31:16 < ohsix> m0 does have dmb
2016-03-17T04:31:17 < fenugrec> so yeah, faked, but I don't see why it should break
2016-03-17T04:33:50 < dongs> i need to innovate this LIS3MDL thing
2016-03-17T04:34:24 < dongs> upgrdman: http://i.imgur.com/mVRp7uC.gifv
2016-03-17T04:34:36 < upgrdman> is that sfw
2016-03-17T04:34:48 < dongs> sure
2016-03-17T04:35:12 < upgrdman> lol nice
2016-03-17T04:38:24 < jadew> I thought Thailand was poor
2016-03-17T04:38:43 < jadew> isn't that a mercedes?
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2016-03-17T04:40:26 < jadew> anyway, in a normal world that train would have traveled at a much lower speed or there were barriers in place
2016-03-17T04:40:49 < jadew> someone should go to jail
2016-03-17T04:41:27 < jadew> whoever planned that route
2016-03-17T04:48:10 < Laurenceb_> what the heck
2016-03-17T04:48:19 < Laurenceb_> qt is trying to build for assdroid
2016-03-17T04:48:38 < Laurenceb_> how do i build target
2016-03-17T04:50:05 < upgrdman> what's a refdes for a relay?
2016-03-17T04:50:16 < upgrdman> cant be r :/
2016-03-17T04:50:26 < ohsix> dongs: wat 3dml for
2016-03-17T04:54:34 < englishman> upgrdman: k, ry, rla
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2016-03-17T04:54:49 < upgrdman> thx
2016-03-17T04:55:20 < ohsix> <koolaideman> alriiiiiiiiiight
2016-03-17T04:57:41 < ohsix> heh some armv6's had a memory barrier thing in cp15
2016-03-17T04:58:27 < dongs> englishman: err what that combo do?
2016-03-17T04:58:57 < englishman> refdes'es in descending order of coolness
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2016-03-17T05:00:21 < dongs> er what screen is that in?
2016-03-17T05:00:26 < dongs> io dont remember ever using r for anything
2016-03-17T05:00:29 < dongs> isnt that reports menu?
2016-03-17T05:01:01 < englishman> bro
2016-03-17T05:01:07 < englishman> its not hotkeys
2016-03-17T05:01:12 < englishman> its reference designators
2016-03-17T05:01:20 < englishman> drink moar tea
2016-03-17T05:01:46 < dongs> i guess i missed some context chats during split
2016-03-17T05:02:04 < dongs> < upgrdman> what's a refdes for a relay?
2016-03-17T05:02:06 < dongs> nvm
2016-03-17T05:02:09 < dongs> too stoned
2016-03-17T05:02:10 < ohsix> me 2 wtf are you talking about lewl
2016-03-17T05:02:20 < ohsix> ah
2016-03-17T05:05:18 < ohsix> http://www.aaton.com/cantar-x3/overview heh
2016-03-17T05:05:23 < ohsix> guess the price
2016-03-17T05:06:08 < dongs> tree fiddy
2016-03-17T05:06:08 < ReadError> 15,000 euro
2016-03-17T05:06:11 < dongs> is there a stm32 inside?
2016-03-17T05:06:16 < ohsix> probably
2016-03-17T05:06:29 < ohsix> ReadError: that's not a guess :[ also right on the nose
2016-03-17T05:06:53 < englishman> www.aaton.com took too long to respond.
2016-03-17T05:06:54 < ohsix> looks really weird, it's got angled ports and stuff all around the edges and stuff too
2016-03-17T05:07:06 < englishman> 15k eur doesnt buy a webhost
2016-03-17T05:07:47 < ohsix> dongs: i still wanna do something stupid with the 10 adc multiplexer whatevers in the f103
2016-03-17T05:08:36 < ohsix> aaton has a bunch of pcb pictures and stuff on their twitter but none of the processing board
2016-03-17T05:09:36 < ohsix> they don't look supercool like the nagras, they look like tryhards
2016-03-17T05:10:45 < upgrdman> what people
2016-03-17T05:10:48 < dongs> yeah they just walked it off
2016-03-17T05:10:51 < upgrdman> you mean the puree left over?
2016-03-17T05:12:03 < dongs> you should try it
2016-03-17T05:12:04 < ohsix> EVADE THE MAIN SHITS
2016-03-17T05:12:08 < ohsix> main screen turn on
2016-03-17T05:12:51 < ohsix> er at least the driver in that car is totally creamed
2016-03-17T05:15:28 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/KTftb1n.png
2016-03-17T05:15:29 < Laurenceb_> whyyyy
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2016-03-17T05:16:11 < Laurenceb_> smelly dumb, assdroid scum
2016-03-17T05:18:54 < Laurenceb_> dunno, all those errors are assdroid related
2016-03-17T05:18:57 < ohsix> gl isn't gles ply
2016-03-17T05:19:27 < Laurenceb_> why is it running android headers
2016-03-17T05:19:38 < Laurenceb_> crt: thats a standard example
2016-03-17T05:19:44 < Laurenceb_> should compile out of the box
2016-03-17T05:19:51 < dongs> try windows
2016-03-17T05:20:55 < dongs> failing that post on freelancer.com
2016-03-17T05:21:25 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should post on freelancer for someone to write a GUI
2016-03-17T05:21:36 < Laurenceb_> as currently I'm failing epically
2016-03-17T05:21:49 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Smart-steering-wheel-with-digital/
2016-03-17T05:22:43 < ohsix> what's the deal with freelancer
2016-03-17T05:22:52 < ohsix> is it funny or something, or are you looking for stuff
2016-03-17T05:22:56 < Laurenceb_> its latest source of trolling
2016-03-17T05:23:04 < Laurenceb_> after zano dieded
2016-03-17T05:23:04 < dongs> new zano
2016-03-17T05:24:16 < ohsix> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2095825325/career-in-animation?ref=nav_search
2016-03-17T05:24:38 < ohsix> all sorts of animu projects that never get a single pledge
2016-03-17T05:26:10 < ohsix> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/582516229/chris-chan-reborn
2016-03-17T05:26:49 < dongs> I mean, who can forget titles such as:
2016-03-17T05:26:50 < dongs> "A-U-T-I-S-M" ?
2016-03-17T05:27:01 < ohsix> yes
2016-03-17T05:27:05 < Laurenceb_> heh chris-chan
2016-03-17T05:27:07 < ohsix> check ED if you don't know who he is
2016-03-17T05:27:49 < Laurenceb_> yeah but atm I'm failing more than chris-chan
2016-03-17T05:29:11 < dongs> just need better autotune
2016-03-17T05:29:33 < ohsix> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/faithintoart/anime-inspired-gospel-tracts
2016-03-17T05:30:15 < dongs> My name is Jessica Thomas, a Christian freelance illustrator and graphic designer.
2016-03-17T05:30:26 < dongs> is Christian part essential?
2016-03-17T05:30:28 < ohsix> it's weird how little jesuys                      stuff there actually is on kickstarter
2016-03-17T05:30:34 < ohsix> yes
2016-03-17T05:30:40 < ohsix> that's the whole thing
2016-03-17T05:31:25 < ohsix> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/451/979/eb063dc9f6c4efda6e2cf8bcffa8accf_original.jpg?v=1426553781&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=0999a7ab72cf9d18ab42b62e3885c416
2016-03-17T05:31:41 < ohsix> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/451/983/32bf1d930cd86cb6b3fb65662eda89b2_original.jpg?v=1426553814&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=7fb016a7a6dfeae242242b73efd5ec38
2016-03-17T05:32:25 < ohsix> that one was funded ~900$
2016-03-17T05:32:29 < ohsix> SPEARS: The Gospel According to Britney
2016-03-17T05:33:01 < ohsix> most of the jesus stuff on kickstarter is by african americans
2016-03-17T05:33:39 < ohsix> haha wow there are some just asking for 20$
2016-03-17T05:34:24 < ohsix> i was going to say, there's another report for that, but i think that was it
2016-03-17T05:34:38 < ohsix> shit
2016-03-17T05:34:46 < ohsix> i'm autopilot typing ##stm32 now
2016-03-17T05:35:36 < ReadError> are you enjoying ##stm32 ohsix?
2016-03-17T05:35:40 < ReadError> is it more your speed
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2016-03-17T05:37:25 < dongs> only beat by win32
2016-03-17T05:37:56 < ohsix> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1574553886/positive-plus-1-hiv-and-aids-dating-app
2016-03-17T05:38:18 < ohsix> zero pledged of 43k, 39 hours left
2016-03-17T05:38:45 < dongs> is "getting aids" one of reward tiers
2016-03-17T05:39:30 < ohsix> i'm only looking for titles
2016-03-17T05:39:49 < ohsix> Thank you for visiting the Pray for Japan documentary film Kickstarter page!  Together we can not only honor the incredible real-life heroes of the Tohoku Tragedy, but build a movement that assures their efforts will never go forgotten.
2016-03-17T05:40:53 < ohsix> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1151070463/preserving-holy-sites-in-the-middle-east
2016-03-17T05:40:59 < ohsix> k that was fun
2016-03-17T05:43:48 < dongs> what the shit
2016-03-17T05:47:55 < dongs> R2COM: its the channel
2016-03-17T05:47:59 < dongs> its making you assburger
2016-03-17T05:48:49 < dongs> in cadence.exe?
2016-03-17T05:49:14 < dongs> did you see gd32 pix
2016-03-17T05:50:03 < dongs> R2COM: http://zeptobars.com/en/read/GD32F103CBT6-mcm-serial-flash-Giga-Devices
2016-03-17T05:50:32 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-17T05:50:36 < dongs> giev your professional spacex eomployee opinion
2016-03-17T05:50:37 < ohsix> those were the samples he sent them
2016-03-17T05:50:44 < ohsix> also separate flash die
2016-03-17T05:50:46 < dongs> 9on hinalayout
2016-03-17T05:50:48 < dongs> errre
2016-03-17T05:50:51 < dongs> a nt fuckibnv type
2016-03-17T05:50:55 < dongs> with IR in fton fo keyboardf
2016-03-17T05:50:57 < ohsix> hiv
2016-03-17T05:52:02 < dongs> where's the cortex core?
2016-03-17T05:52:37 < dongs> i thought depending on license you dont get that kidna sores
2016-03-17T05:52:59 < dongs> you can scroll down you knoiw
2016-03-17T05:53:09 < dongs> to the lower layers pic
2016-03-17T05:57:00 < dongs> whats that?
2016-03-17T06:01:20 < dongs> china more pro than you
2016-03-17T06:04:55 < dongs> whats new at spacex
2016-03-17T06:05:00 < dongs> what kinda shit are you laying out now
2016-03-17T06:05:10 < dongs> still weird adc shit or whaever it was?
2016-03-17T06:05:59 < dongs> hardware analog lpf?
2016-03-17T06:06:15 < dongs> (because r+c is too big)
2016-03-17T06:07:44 < ohsix> one of you needs a longer nick
2016-03-17T06:08:12 < dongs> R2COM: yeah. and its soo shitty that you can even use it on lunix, beacuse its so shit the underlyiung OS doesnt matter at that point
2016-03-17T06:08:51 < dongs> awful
2016-03-17T06:09:24 < Laurenceb_> R2COM works at spacex?!
2016-03-17T06:09:37 < upgrdman> how do i edit the text in a altidongs schematic title block
2016-03-17T06:09:46 < upgrdman> like title/number/rev/drawn by
2016-03-17T06:09:53 < dongs> upgrdman: i just put a string there
2016-03-17T06:10:10 < upgrdman> dongs, sure. how
2016-03-17T06:10:14 < upgrdman> cant double click it
2016-03-17T06:10:23 < dongs> you dont.
2016-03-17T06:10:25 < upgrdman> and i only new give a fuck enough to do it properly
2016-03-17T06:10:26 < dongs> i mean. just. put. a .string there.'
2016-03-17T06:10:31 < dongs> p->s or wahtever
2016-03-17T06:10:32 < upgrdman> o
2016-03-17T06:10:34 < upgrdman> ok
2016-03-17T06:10:47 < dongs> R2PRO seems to be on top of thin gs
2016-03-17T06:11:13 < dongs> document options-?parameters is probly that
2016-03-17T06:12:15 < ohsix> heh vnc would be a nice cheat for per seat licenses
2016-03-17T06:12:16 < upgrdman> ya i edited doc ops > params, but the title block didnt update
2016-03-17T06:14:42 < dongs> ...
2016-03-17T06:14:47 < dongs> dont you have some better shit to do
2016-03-17T06:14:51 < dongs> who cares
2016-03-17T06:14:52 < dongs> its all shit
2016-03-17T06:14:56 < ohsix> wasn't there something like spacecad or something that would do pcbs
2016-03-17T06:15:11 < dongs> spacexcad
2016-03-17T06:15:13 < dongs> fork of kikecad
2016-03-17T06:15:35 < englishman> all you need is sharpie and construction paper
2016-03-17T06:16:00 < englishman> add an RPN calculator if you wanna be super pro
2016-03-17T06:16:43 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-17T06:16:45 < ohsix> me2
2016-03-17T06:16:47 < ohsix> so pro
2016-03-17T06:16:55 < englishman> cool i have fx-300ms
2016-03-17T06:17:02 < englishman> rpn is awful fuck hp
2016-03-17T06:17:06 < dongs> i havce calc.exe
2016-03-17T06:18:01 < ohsix> calc.exe can't touch a real calculator broooo
2016-03-17T06:18:10 < ohsix> even in sci mode it's basically a 4 operator calculator
2016-03-17T06:20:00 < englishman> calc.exe is alright for binary
2016-03-17T06:20:03 < englishman> and hex
2016-03-17T06:20:52 < Laurenceb_> anyone got any ideas how to install libgles2 on ubuntu 10.04lts?
2016-03-17T06:20:57 < dongs> what no its awful for that
2016-03-17T06:21:01 < Laurenceb_> can't ask on #ubuntu as they are autists
2016-03-17T06:21:09 < dongs> i made my own calc app for that kinda shit + simple calculations
2016-03-17T06:21:17 < dongs> calc.exe is just ok for doing shit like 7+5 and stuff
2016-03-17T06:21:21 < dongs> without trying ot think about ti
2016-03-17T06:21:21 < dongs> it
2016-03-17T06:21:42 < dongs> R2COM: needs permission
2016-03-17T06:22:16 < englishman> got link to dongscalc.exe
2016-03-17T06:22:41 < dongs> http://pbx.mine.nu/wincalc.exe i think
2016-03-17T06:23:00 < talsit> R2COM: enable history on that
2016-03-17T06:23:01 < englishman> wincalc.exe is not commonly downloaded and could be dangerous.
2016-03-17T06:23:12 < ohsix> you can get a thing from ti that literally is a first party emulation of their cas calculator
2016-03-17T06:23:30 < englishman> oh cool
2016-03-17T06:23:47 < dongs> englishman: it does 0b, 0x, 00
2016-03-17T06:23:51 < englishman> yes
2016-03-17T06:24:03 < dongs> and usual binary ops like &/^/| etc
2016-03-17T06:24:07 < dongs> handy 4 stuff
2016-03-17T06:24:12 < englishman> why octal
2016-03-17T06:24:24 < dongs> no reason
2016-03-17T06:24:28 < ohsix> hmmmmm ti seems to have gotten rid of the app
2016-03-17T06:24:33 < dongs> should probly remove next time i care to look at sores
2016-03-17T06:25:08 < englishman> 1/0 returns angry red dot and error
2016-03-17T06:25:15 < englishman> passes carltest
2016-03-17T06:25:42 < englishman> also no x so i cant accidentally close it
2016-03-17T06:25:55 < dongs> yeah i broke that part
2016-03-17T06:26:01 < dongs> i think onyl closes on esc inside text window
2016-03-17T06:26:03 < ohsix> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hp.primecalculator nm it was HP
2016-03-17T06:26:06 < dongs> i ignore WM_CLOSE or someshit
2016-03-17T06:26:13 < ohsix> this is super legit, even though it's just emulating the handheld CAS one
2016-03-17T06:26:14 < upgrdman> R2COM, here's a photo of those business cards that get shoved under my hotel room door: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/business_cards_cn.jpg
2016-03-17T06:26:25 < ohsix> i have the apk if anyone wants it
2016-03-17T06:26:43 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-17T06:26:49 < ohsix> the standalone calculator is like 160
2016-03-17T06:27:03 < dongs> 39 out of 42 reworked boards work
2016-03-17T06:27:03 < dongs> yay
2016-03-17T06:27:11 < ohsix> yea it just emulates the irl calculator
2016-03-17T06:27:34 < ohsix> http://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/accessories-88342--1/hp-prime-graphing-calculator-p-g8x92aa-aba--1
2016-03-17T06:27:50 < ohsix> the touch screen stuff works
2016-03-17T06:28:10 < ohsix> the keypad/display has a vertical split on tablet, it's a little tough to use on a small phone, but anything near 5" should be ok
2016-03-17T06:32:00 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/WKNzued.png running on tablutt
2016-03-17T06:32:14 < ohsix> i don't use it much but it is the real deal
2016-03-17T06:36:03 < upgrdman> i didnt want some russian engineer trying to call them
2016-03-17T06:36:26 < ohsix> R2COM: most hp calculators do both, it's configurable
2016-03-17T06:36:41 < upgrdman> dont waste their time ;)
2016-03-17T06:36:41 < ohsix> sometime recently they made news about dumping rpn entirely though, might have been with that calculator
2016-03-17T06:37:56 < ohsix> looool casio is making a luxury wank basic  calculator called the s100, 27000 yen
2016-03-17T06:38:20 < ohsix> 250$ 4 function calculator
2016-03-17T06:39:25 < ohsix> http://inventorspot.com/files/images/490x368xcasio-S100-04.jpg.pagespeed.ic.p-vI7N-BYz.jpg trump hyoooge
2016-03-17T06:40:07 < ohsix> apparently for the money you get laptop like keys that stay square when you press them
2016-03-17T06:54:00 < ohsix> o/
2016-03-17T06:54:25 < ohsix> i thought hp made some news with rpn recently, i think it was cancelling some calculator they've made for 30 years or something;                    the prime still does rpn
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2016-03-17T06:56:26 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/GwGEbww.gifv
2016-03-17T06:57:14 < upgrdman> wtf do most of the altium symbols only have one possible footprint
2016-03-17T06:57:25 < upgrdman> like a cap, and there's only one footprint in the drop down lis
2016-03-17T06:57:56 < ohsix> if they had more what would they be
2016-03-17T06:58:06 < ohsix> jadew: hehehe i saw video of that german performance art
2016-03-17T06:58:42 < upgrdman> ohsix, smd 0402/0603/0805/etc, pth with various pin spacing...
2016-03-17T06:58:53 < ohsix> jadew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOB9avcSqpg
2016-03-17T06:59:14 < ohsix> upgrdman: oh
2016-03-17T06:59:29 < ohsix> don't you just use a regular 0402 pad and just call it C or R or Lsomething
2016-03-17T06:59:43 < jadew> lol ohsix
2016-03-17T07:00:12 < ohsix> the whole video was like 40 minutes, there's more weird stuff
2016-03-17T07:01:15 < upgrdman> dongs, is there some trick to get a proper list of footprints for altium resistors, capacitors, etc?
2016-03-17T07:01:31 < jadew> I wonder how the discussion sounds like when they're talking about the role with the actor
2016-03-17T07:02:37 < ohsix> heh easyeda stole the steam icon for the pcb autorouter
2016-03-17T07:02:38 < jadew> "- So... you have to wear a strap on and bang a metal dick on a pipe. What do you think? - Sounds like we have a deal!"
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2016-03-17T07:08:05 < ohsix> fraps per second
2016-03-17T07:08:34 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z84STbSvI54
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2016-03-17T07:15:03 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/dRQQJw6.gif
2016-03-17T07:17:22 < englishman> gif almost as old as romania itself
2016-03-17T07:21:55 < jadew> I don't browse imgur much, didn't know it's so great
2016-03-17T07:37:08 < ohsix> did you expect a meter instead
2016-03-17T07:39:49 < ohsix> anyone offhand know anything about das automobilez; like carburation and random mechanical poop
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2016-03-17T08:20:52 < dongs> upgrdman: define "list"?
2016-03-17T08:26:31 < upgrdman> nm figured it out
2016-03-17T08:26:39 < dongs> do tell
2016-03-17T08:26:42 < upgrdman> well
2016-03-17T08:26:57 < dongs> altium has no "default" footprints for anything
2016-03-17T08:27:02 < dongs> you should maintain local libraries with that stuff
2016-03-17T08:27:10 < dongs> and you can link them into projects etc
2016-03-17T08:27:15 < upgrdman> like if i add a capacitor to a schematic, there's only like 1 footprint possible
2016-03-17T08:27:36 < upgrdman> but i went to tools > assprint manager, and added footprints
2016-03-17T08:27:43 < upgrdman> which is stupid as fuck, but fine.
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2016-03-17T08:28:15 < upgrdman> any idea why altium doesnt make the default symbols usable?
2016-03-17T08:28:30 < upgrdman> like why offer them if they're like that
2016-03-17T08:34:18 < dongs> what is default symbols?
2016-03-17T08:34:21 < dongs> it doesnt come wiht any
2016-03-17T08:34:41 < dongs> if you got a subscription you can pull the shit off the live.altium.com shit if you trust it to be bug-free
2016-03-17T08:44:49 < dongs> err
2016-03-17T08:44:54 < dongs> wait, upgrdman waht the fuck are you trying to do?
2016-03-17T08:45:11 < dongs> if you have a .pcbdoc / .schdoc with symbols and shit and no attached lib, you need to go to like tools->make sch/footprint library
2016-03-17T08:45:14 < dongs> or design->something
2016-03-17T08:45:16 < upgrdman> like make a schematic
2016-03-17T08:45:20 < upgrdman> place a capacitor
2016-03-17T08:45:30 < upgrdman> look at that cap's possible footprints... one
2016-03-17T08:45:35 < dongs> err.
2016-03-17T08:45:36 < dongs> i made that cap
2016-03-17T08:45:45 < dongs> so I know it has one footprint.
2016-03-17T08:45:53 < upgrdman> WHY the fuck should you have to "make" a passive
2016-03-17T08:46:02 < dongs> i have CAP0402 which is attached to SMT1005 footprint
2016-03-17T08:46:11 < upgrdman> lol
2016-03-17T08:46:13 < dongs> upgrdman: because I like consistency in my designs
2016-03-17T08:46:16 < upgrdman> ok
2016-03-17T08:46:31 < upgrdman> fair enough. but why doesnt altium :/
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2016-03-17T08:48:55 < dongs> donno
2016-03-17T08:49:10 < dongs> also default symbols (and shit in vault) has way too many retarded properties etc
2016-03-17T08:49:25 < dongs> all the libs I make are clean and organized just how I need them to be
2016-03-17T08:49:50 < dongs> upgrdman: did yo know? if you use "Value" property on say caps/resistors it doesn't get transferred to PCB layout?
2016-03-17T08:50:06 < dongs> so when you go make a picknplace or BOM from PCB, you can't get it to show the value
2016-03-17T08:50:27 < dongs> so if you use 'default' symbols with liek 90909 properties attached, they're acutally fucking useless once on pcb
2016-03-17T08:51:22 < dongs> ok i need to resolve a bunch of fail bbl
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2016-03-17T09:24:00 < PeterM> [13:50] <upgrdman> what's a refdes for a relay? i use SW, like for mechanical switches, because you know...
2016-03-17T09:27:36 < upgrdman> fair enough
2016-03-17T09:35:57 < zyp> I seem to recall K being used
2016-03-17T09:36:29 < zyp> yeah
2016-03-17T09:36:34 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_designator <- even wikipedia says K
2016-03-17T09:38:05 < PeterM> also [17:45] <upgrdman> WHY the fuck should you have to "make" a passive - uhh because different passives can come in many different types, like inductors, coupled inductorss, transformers with multiple taps, resistors with multiple taps, resistors with kelvin connections, resistor networks, resistor packs, non inductive resistors,
2016-03-17T09:38:56 < ohsix> you might want the pads to go a certain distance under them for whatever reason
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2016-03-17T09:39:21 < PeterM> ohsix, that was only in refrence to shematic symbol
2016-03-17T09:39:31 < PeterM> schematic evn
2016-03-17T09:40:03 < PeterM> for footprints theres even more reason to make your own
2016-03-17T09:40:11 < upgrdman> PeterM, i know there are specials ones, but come on. a simple fucking resistor.
2016-03-17T09:40:32 < upgrdman> anyway, whatever. i'm making a component.
2016-03-17T09:41:01 < upgrdman> if you have a x mm pin, how big should the hole be? 1.2x ?
2016-03-17T09:41:10 < ohsix> low inductance resistors/capacitors have the contacts on the long side :p
2016-03-17T09:43:14 < PeterM> upgrdman, depends on mfg specced tolerance and absolute pin size too, but 1.2x hole then pad 1.33x hole size
2016-03-17T09:43:53 < upgrdman> k
2016-03-17T09:44:29 < ohsix> doesn't altium have parametric stuff in the part builder, so you can make a footprint like that really easily
2016-03-17T09:44:46 < ohsix> a full 'library' might have like 400 parts or something
2016-03-17T09:46:38 < PeterM> i seperate up my librarys, like a lib for transistor footprints, a lib for ics, a lib for passives, otherwise you get fuckin huge libs because of all the 3d models and shit
2016-03-17T09:46:48 < PeterM> and also makes finding shit much easier
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2016-03-17T10:57:41 < qyx> a china girl offered me those lifepo cells for more than this tme.eu local seller
2016-03-17T11:00:03 < PeterM> qyx highly likely
2016-03-17T11:00:57 < PeterM> i can get them from a local seller for like $27aud ($18eur~)
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2016-03-17T11:03:36 < PeterM> what did the chinagirl say hse could get them for?
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2016-03-17T11:07:56 < upgrdman> what are those things called that contain a resistor and capacitor in series? i've seen them on the outputs of relays before.
2016-03-17T11:08:15 < upgrdman> im guessing to reduce sparking
2016-03-17T11:10:13 < PeterM> a snubber?
2016-03-17T11:10:16 < ohsix> i dunno one with resistor and cap, could be starter cap if it were an ac motor
2016-03-17T11:11:34 < PeterM> you either can put an r-c snubber accross the primary to reduce the inductive spike without the diode, or you can pout a snubber across the contacts to improve their lifespan http://i.imgur.com/bZ46FSi.png
2016-03-17T11:12:16 < PeterM> the first series resistor is probably not needed (it was only there for a certain HV application)
2016-03-17T11:16:42 < qyx> PeterM: $19 FOB for 10Ah cylindrical
2016-03-17T11:17:12 < qyx> $25 for 20Ah pouch cells
2016-03-17T11:17:16 < upgrdman> ya snubber
2016-03-17T11:17:25 < qyx> which is actually quite good
2016-03-17T11:17:47 < qyx> but still, 8Ah are for $12.50 on ev-power.eu
2016-03-17T11:17:53 < PeterM> imho thats pretty poor, as i said, i can buy them from a local seller and i live in bumbfuck nowhere australia  for less
2016-03-17T11:17:59 < upgrdman> so how does that help switch contact? guessing the cap provides a decaying current when the contacts open, reducing arcing?
2016-03-17T11:18:51 < PeterM> upgrdman, yeah the cap provides a nice curtailed current draw as the contacts open, and the resistor stops the cap form welding the contacts closed
2016-03-17T11:19:06 < upgrdman> neat
2016-03-17T11:19:09 < upgrdman> thx
2016-03-17T11:19:26 < PeterM> also good for if you've got inductive loads
2016-03-17T11:22:09 < upgrdman> on a SPDT relay, is one snubber between common and one end fine, or is one needed for NC and one for NO ?
2016-03-17T11:22:35 < PeterM> just between c and hte other contact you're using
2016-03-17T11:22:50 < upgrdman> im using both NC and NO
2016-03-17T11:23:05 < PeterM> well then you need two
2016-03-17T11:23:08 < upgrdman> k
2016-03-17T11:26:03 < upgrdman> logical refdes? s?
2016-03-17T11:27:22 < PeterM> for relay, K, SW or even J
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2016-03-17T11:31:03 < upgrdman> for snubber
2016-03-17T11:31:19 < upgrdman> also, htf do i do diagonal line in altidongs again
2016-03-17T11:31:27 < upgrdman> like ctrl or alt or some shit iirc
2016-03-17T11:32:28 < upgrdman> oh, space. nm
2016-03-17T11:43:47 < dongs> sup
2016-03-17T11:46:28 < dongs> what the fuck is this arccore shit from ST
2016-03-17T11:46:29 < mitrax> upgrdman: hey, completely unrelated, are you still happy with your surface pro 4? no quirks?
2016-03-17T11:47:03 < dongs> lol, POWERPC
2016-03-17T11:47:34 < upgrdman> mitrax, very happy with it. especially now that i use it when i travel
2016-03-17T11:47:46 < upgrdman> but there are quirks, especially with the cocking station
2016-03-17T11:47:54 < dongs> i have no problems with bro3 except the fucking single USB port
2016-03-17T11:47:56 < upgrdman> its much better than before, but not perfect
2016-03-17T11:48:01 < dongs> i would have updated to 4, but that was the showstopper
2016-03-17T11:48:11 < dongs> so i got a 4K toshiba 12" instead
2016-03-17T11:48:18 < mitrax> upgrdman: what kind of quirks? Displayport problems?
2016-03-17T11:48:25 < dongs> no, they fixed that luckily
2016-03-17T11:48:43 < mitrax> dongs: what model is that?
2016-03-17T11:48:44 < dongs> i think they release some bios update to fix the usb cockups too
2016-03-17T11:48:52 < upgrdman> well it cant reliably drive two 4K monitors, despite what the ms event supposedly demoed and promised
2016-03-17T11:49:07 < ohsix> i wonder why certain types of hardware / business segments stick with something like ppc or mips; is the automotive stuff because the processors are certified for something?
2016-03-17T11:49:07 < dongs> upgrdman: err, that wasnt gonna be possible over single DP anyway.
2016-03-17T11:49:20 < upgrdman> even ms tech support was like "popular consensus is dual 4k is unrealistic"
2016-03-17T11:49:23 < dongs> upgrdman: thats 40mbps of traffic
2016-03-17T11:49:26 < dongs> er gbps
2016-03-17T11:49:29 < dongs> 20gb/monitor
2016-03-17T11:49:33 < dongs> just doesnt happen
2016-03-17T11:49:37 < upgrdman> dongs, i know. but ms lied :)
2016-03-17T11:49:40 < ohsix> did they run off consensus after they released it and said it would do it
2016-03-17T11:49:41 < dongs> pffffft
2016-03-17T11:49:51 < upgrdman> it's fine, im not sure i would use dual 4k very often, but still kinda pissed.
2016-03-17T11:49:53 < ohsix> is that 20gb at 60hz or 30hz?
2016-03-17T11:50:08 < dongs> mitrax: http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/radius-12/P25W-C2300-4K
2016-03-17T11:50:12 < upgrdman> anyway, got to go. be back tomorrow.
2016-03-17T11:50:24 < dongs> ohsix: 60.
2016-03-17T11:50:26 < dongs> 10gb @ 30.
2016-03-17T11:50:27 < dongs> so..
2016-03-17T11:50:27 < mitrax> upgrdman: thx, bye
2016-03-17T11:50:30 < ohsix> i don't think anything does it yet, but dp can do subbuffer updates, worst case would be full frame but best case could be tiny
2016-03-17T11:50:37 < dongs> you probly could do 2 at 30hz.
2016-03-17T11:50:48 < ohsix> that's not super horrible
2016-03-17T11:50:54 < dongs> its awful
2016-03-17T11:51:04 < dongs> 30hz realyl fucks with you
2016-03-17T11:51:07 < dongs> the mouse feels laggy  and shit
2016-03-17T11:51:16 < ohsix> compared to not working or what
2016-03-17T11:51:24 < mitrax> dongs: how sturdy is that?
2016-03-17T11:51:30 < ohsix> sure, you might decide not to use 2 in that case
2016-03-17T11:51:32 < upgrdman> ya 30hz is no good. but i could tolerate dual 4k30 for work. never for home use though.
2016-03-17T11:51:34 < dongs> mitrax: its a laptop.
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2016-03-17T11:51:50 < dongs> with keyboard attached.
2016-03-17T11:51:55 < mitrax> dongs: i mean compared to the surface
2016-03-17T11:52:20 < dongs> i donno i dont feel like trying to bend both
2016-03-17T11:52:22 < ohsix> most things i do on my monitor which is 60hz are at way lower rates, 24/30/whatever
2016-03-17T11:52:40 < mitrax> ahaha
2016-03-17T11:52:48 < mitrax> ok i'm asking cause it's for a female friend who breaks everything...
2016-03-17T11:52:53 < dongs> the screen is definitely thin
2016-03-17T11:52:55 < mitrax> or well tends to
2016-03-17T11:53:00 < dongs> like 4mm or something
2016-03-17T11:53:04 < ohsix> so no clue on why some market segments still use powerpc, even guesses?
2016-03-17T11:53:09 < dongs> so opening/closing by edge, it does sorta flex.
2016-03-17T11:53:32 < mitrax> okay, won't be suited for her then
2016-03-17T11:53:34 < dongs> mitrax: chances are female friend doesnt need a 4K 12" screen either
2016-03-17T11:53:40 < dongs> just get a $300 netbook beater
2016-03-17T11:53:42 < dongs> 1280x800
2016-03-17T11:53:48 < dongs> enough to watch jewtube and scroll twitter
2016-03-17T11:54:05 < ohsix> i think mips is still used on routers and stuff cuz at that scale the arm licensing costs is large compared to chip cost
2016-03-17T11:54:29 < ohsix> no clue about powerpc tho
2016-03-17T11:55:00 < mitrax> well she has a pro 2 and wants to upgrade... but the pro 2 had issues with the keyboard & BT mouse regularly stopping for like 30 sec
2016-03-17T11:55:21 < ohsix> that's by design, you're supposed to go make tea
2016-03-17T11:55:24 < dongs> i havent had keyboard issues with bro3
2016-03-17T11:55:47 < dongs> the mouse utterly sucks tho
2016-03-17T11:55:54 < dongs> but thats probably true for any modern touchpad
2016-03-17T11:56:04 < dongs> i dont know how the fuck they do it, but they're all universally awful
2016-03-17T11:56:13 < ohsix> the big plate to click ones?
2016-03-17T11:56:16 < dongs> yes
2016-03-17T11:56:23 < dongs> on surface mouse tho
2016-03-17T11:56:25 < ohsix> it's so gestures aren't dumb
2016-03-17T11:56:29 < ohsix> rite
2016-03-17T11:56:32 < dongs> evne the CLICKY areas are still registering movement
2016-03-17T11:56:40 < dongs> so when you try to click on shit, it fucking moves the cursor from under it
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2016-03-17T11:56:53 < dongs> gestu-whats?
2016-03-17T11:56:56 < ohsix> i like the touchpads that are massive and all move for click, but i haven't used them for a long time
2016-03-17T11:56:59 < dongs> i want shit to work
2016-03-17T11:57:13 < dongs> moving cursor + clicking = basic function of a touchpad
2016-03-17T11:57:15 < jpa-> dongs: on linux you can configure clicky areas not to cause movements :)
2016-03-17T11:57:17 < dongs> if it fails that, it can fuck off
2016-03-17T11:57:21 < dongs> jpa-: sorry to hear that
2016-03-17T11:57:30 < dongs> but I dont feel like recompiling kernel and editing X11.conf
2016-03-17T11:57:34 < dongs> for that to take effect
2016-03-17T11:57:36 < ohsix> you don't do that
2016-03-17T11:57:46 < jpa-> it's Xorg.conf nowadays and it's not where you would expect it to be
2016-03-17T11:57:56 < ohsix> you use xinput set-prop, but some program will probably do it for you already
2016-03-17T11:58:05 < jpa-> instead now you have bazillion files under /usr/share/Xorg and never know which overrides what
2016-03-17T11:58:59 < ohsix> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/kbzJpI55.html look at all that fancy stuff
2016-03-17T11:59:30 < dongs> Did you know that PayPal won't refund you if your money is stolen while buying a domain?
2016-03-17T11:59:34 < dongs> Escrow.com keeps your funds safe until the domain is in your account.
2016-03-17T11:59:36 < dongs> Register for free to access secure payments for your business.
2016-03-17T11:59:43 < dongs> how often does your money get stolen while buying a domain?
2016-03-17T11:59:53 < ohsix> ~all the synaptics touchpads do the same stuff, the driver and the ihv decides if there are scroll regions on the side and stuff
2016-03-17T12:00:42 < ohsix> now the OS / applications can listen for gestures and the driver doesn't have to try and make them up from touch points into movements or button presses
2016-03-17T12:01:11 < ohsix> dongs: that's probably saying something about paypals policy than any chance it might get stolen
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2016-03-17T12:52:57 < karlp> anyone know a good site for package marking logos? or know what mark is like a cross made up of two infiniti symbols rotated? sort of like a 4 blade propeller?
2016-03-17T12:53:23 < dongs> could it be: parallax? (lol)
2016-03-17T12:53:48 < dongs> http://www.elnec.com/support/ic-logos/?method=logo
2016-03-17T12:54:12 < dongs> http://www.elnec.com/en/support/ic-logos/manufacturer-description/?manuf=Siemens+Microelectronics%2C+Inc.
2016-03-17T12:54:15 < dongs> this?
2016-03-17T12:54:26 < dongs> http://www.elnec.com/en/support/ic-logos/manufacturer-description/?manuf=Silicon+Laboratories
2016-03-17T12:54:29 < dongs> or this? silabs?
2016-03-17T12:55:17 < mitrax> could it be http://www.elnec.com/en/support/ic-logos/manufacturer-description/?manuf=General+Semiconductor ?
2016-03-17T12:56:03 < karlp> not parallax, just a smbj12a part,
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2016-03-17T12:56:14 < karlp> package marking codes match diodes inc and vishay so far...
2016-03-17T12:56:19  * mitrax bookmarks that site
2016-03-17T12:56:29 < karlp> general semiconductor looks pretty spot on
2016-03-17T12:56:44 < karlp> excellent, great site, thanks dongs
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2016-03-17T12:59:05 < dongs> ya  vishay and IRF and onsemi all clone eacher other
2016-03-17T12:59:09 < dongs> same markings on diodes and shit
2016-03-17T12:59:14 < dongs> diodes, inc too
2016-03-17T12:59:37 < karlp> heh, general semi isn't on digikey, just as well, was never going to find it there :)
2016-03-17T13:00:04 < karlp> oh, it's a vishay brand.
2016-03-17T13:01:36 < PeterM> the semiconductor industry is very incestuous, like iceland?
2016-03-17T13:01:42 < PeterM> no wait...
2016-03-17T13:02:31 < PeterM> no, io think that may actaully be correct
2016-03-17T13:03:19 < karlp> so, those diodes have two lines of markings, "LE" which is listed in the datahseet as being the SMBJ12A vs SMBJ11A and so on,
2016-03-17T13:03:33 < karlp> is the number underneath then likely to be just manufucuture week or something?
2016-03-17T13:03:52 < PeterM> depenbds
2016-03-17T13:04:09 < PeterM> often you get current-votlage /10
2016-03-17T13:04:18 < PeterM> so 16 would be 1a 60v
2016-03-17T13:04:26 < PeterM> or 110 is 1a 100v
2016-03-17T13:04:46 < PeterM> 36 3amp 60v
2016-03-17T13:04:51 < PeterM> you get the idea
2016-03-17T13:05:14 < karlp> I'm trying to check whether these aprts were actually chaned between rev 200 and rev 300 from a partner, they're LE/36A/logo on one part, and LE/38A/logo on the next,
2016-03-17T13:05:32 < karlp> and there's no part number distinction in the vishay datasheet for current voltage rating differences that I can see,
2016-03-17T13:06:28 < PeterM> yeah, 80v rated diodes are pretty rare
2016-03-17T13:06:38 < PeterM> so id say datecode
2016-03-17T13:07:19 < karlp> yeahy, makes sense. the newer one has higher numbers for themall, and there's no indiciation form vishay on anything else, the "LE" is their listed marking code for smbj12a
2016-03-17T13:08:08 < karlp> ahh,: www.vishay.com/docs/88912/diodesgroupbodymarking.pdf
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2016-03-17T13:08:12 < karlp> separate doc :)
2016-03-17T13:08:36 < ohsix> re:powerpc in automotive junk,ya there's iso 26262 and asil ratings / certifications for them
2016-03-17T13:09:29 < karlp> yeahm, date code and factory designator
2016-03-17T13:41:30 < qyx> wtf, I cannot find a single high voltage schottky here
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2016-03-17T13:46:10 < Sync_> murder a atx supply
2016-03-17T13:47:49 < qyx> I have, those are only 40V
2016-03-17T13:48:22 < Sync_> huh a lot of the things I have taken apart use a forward converter and have schottkys in the primary side
2016-03-17T13:49:17 < qyx> mhm, might be the case too
2016-03-17T13:49:37 < qyx> I just found a bag of some trash from a disassembled atx supplies
2016-03-17T13:50:00 < qyx> maybe I didn't consider them useful at that time
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2016-03-17T14:00:57 < trepidacious> I need some l33t asm to take a uint16_t array of 12 bit values and make it into a uint8_t array with the top 8 bits of each 12 bit value...
2016-03-17T14:01:08 < trepidacious> I bet there's some amazing instruction that will basically just do that :)
2016-03-17T14:01:26 < dongs> why dont you just set your adc alignment that way
2016-03-17T14:01:57 < trepidacious> dongs: It's the image sensor again, it would be awesome if it had a proper 8 bit mode, but it doesn't...
2016-03-17T14:01:57 < dongs> or i am thinking dac, never mind
2016-03-17T14:02:05 < dongs> oh right
2016-03-17T14:02:17 < dongs> why d id you connect the low 4 bits
2016-03-17T14:02:20 < dongs> if you only need the top 8?
2016-03-17T14:02:24 < dongs> just reconnect it :)
2016-03-17T14:02:42 < dongs> data3->dcmi0, data4->dcmi1 etc
2016-03-17T14:03:07 < trepidacious> Heh yeah - I want 12 bit when I'm doing data reduction myself so I can do it quite quickly, but 8 bit when I want to stream full images to the super-slow ethernet :(
2016-03-17T14:03:28 < trepidacious> Also it would break the stupid sync codes, you need all the bits to see when the real image starts
2016-03-17T14:03:29 < jpa-> why do you need l33t asm? how much do you have to speed it up?
2016-03-17T14:03:47 < dongs> you just need a >>4 isnt it?
2016-03-17T14:03:51 < jpa-> yeah
2016-03-17T14:04:10 < jpa-> you can do it in 32 bit blocks if you want, that will approx. double the speed
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2016-03-17T14:04:20 < dongs> ragequit
2016-03-17T14:04:27 < jpa-> you were too sane
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2016-03-17T14:05:04 < trepidacious> Back again - anything I try to paste into when running parallels crashes :(
2016-03-17T14:05:33 < trepidacious> I need to be about maybe 20-30% faster than my naive c: *dst = *src >> 4; dst++; src++;
2016-03-17T14:05:52 < trepidacious> I've got that written out 16 times, then looped 40 times to do 640 pixels in a line
2016-03-17T14:06:16 < trepidacious> It's a bit faster than just 640 times in a loop
2016-03-17T14:06:28 < jpa-> you can do it in 32 bit blocks if you want, that will approx. double the speed
2016-03-17T14:06:42 < trepidacious> jpa-: I was wondering about that...
2016-03-17T14:06:49 < trepidacious> jpa-: 32 bits in and out?
2016-03-17T14:07:03 < jpa-> yeah, load 2 words in and write 1 word out
2016-03-17T14:10:49 < jpa-> there isn't really anything like SSE shuffle in the cortex-m dsp instructions either
2016-03-17T14:11:09 < jpa-> the bitfield extract & insert instructions are the closest equivalent, and most c compilers use those automatically
2016-03-17T14:11:33 < dongs> have you looked at  asm it generates?
2016-03-17T14:11:37 < dongs> maybe you need: keil
2016-03-17T14:11:38 < trepidacious> Not yet...
2016-03-17T14:11:47 < dongs> for REAL PRO
2016-03-17T14:11:51 < dongs> also: possibly a cpld
2016-03-17T14:11:59 < trepidacious> heh yeah, overkill :)
2016-03-17T14:12:09 < dongs> actually..
2016-03-17T14:12:22 < dongs> something like 74hc157
2016-03-17T14:12:24 < dongs> but with more bits
2016-03-17T14:12:28 < dongs> A/B switch
2016-03-17T14:12:39 < trepidacious> If I'm ok with the bytes in the wrong order, I wonder whether it can be faster by shifting the 32 bit values and masking them, then ORing them together to make one 32 bit output.
2016-03-17T14:13:24 < trepidacious> It would do something like making the bytes alternate
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2016-03-17T14:14:02 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/scds010k/scds010k.pdf
2016-03-17T14:14:04 < dongs> you can thank me later.
2016-03-17T14:14:39 < jpa-> trepidacious: you can do that and then fix the order with REV16 instructions
2016-03-17T14:14:47 < dongs> (which gcc cannot emit)
2016-03-17T14:15:10 < trepidacious> I'll have a look at that, but I don't mind fixing the order in software at the receiving end
2016-03-17T14:15:26 < dongs> but this will fix it with 0% cpu overhead
2016-03-17T14:15:46 < jpa-> but yeah, i guess if you want it fastest you might want to use gcc inline assembler to write your inner loop!
2016-03-17T14:16:06 < trepidacious> looks cool, but I'll only use it if it comes in a 0.1" DIP package that looks exactly like the pinout on page 1.
2016-03-17T14:17:10 < trepidacious> jpa-: I'll leave that one for after trying everything I can in c ;)
2016-03-17T14:17:31 < jpa-> rev16 has an instrinsic also i think
2016-03-17T14:19:24 < trepidacious> Dammit, now I have to think about endianness :(
2016-03-17T14:20:31 < jpa-> it's little :)
2016-03-17T14:20:57 < trepidacious> I think that means I can't use 32 bits and a simple shift?
2016-03-17T14:21:29 < jpa-> should work just fine, if your uint16 is also little-endian
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2016-03-17T14:22:20 < jpa-> also remember to pun all the types and strict all the aliases
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2016-03-17T14:25:04 < trepidacious> Ah yeah of course
2016-03-17T14:26:11 < zyp> this is just shifting 12-bit values packed in 16-bit uints?
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2016-03-17T14:29:35 < trepidacious> I keep thinking << uses the order as stored, but I guess for uint32_t it must be mangled to respect the endianness...
2016-03-17T14:29:38 < trepidacious> zyp: Yup
2016-03-17T14:29:58 < trepidacious> zyp: Well shifting them to lose the bottom 4 bits and end up with 8 bits
2016-03-17T14:30:55 < zyp> what has endianness to do with anything?
2016-03-17T14:31:16 < zyp> oh, right, so you need to pick ut every other byte as well
2016-03-17T14:31:26 < trepidacious> zyp: Not much, it just tells me which way round the two 16 bit pixels in a 32 bit pixel end up
2016-03-17T14:31:39 < trepidacious> zyp: I was thinking it mattered for the shift as well, but it doesn't
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2016-03-17T14:54:59 < trepidacious> *dst = ((s1 >> 4) & 0x00FF00FF) | ((s2 << 4) & 0xFF00FF00)
2016-03-17T14:55:34 < trepidacious> Then I get pixels in order 0, 2, 1, 3 :)
2016-03-17T14:56:12 < trepidacious> Seems to be a bit faster, not twice but enough, maybe 20%
2016-03-17T14:56:17 < trepidacious> Thanks for help :)
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2016-03-17T15:09:29 < dongs> sup
2016-03-17T15:09:46 < zyp> soup
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2016-03-17T15:09:52 < dongs> blogg'
2016-03-17T15:10:32 < dongs> need to innovate stuff
2016-03-17T15:11:10 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/variable-High-Voltage-generator/
2016-03-17T15:12:17 < dongs> hah
2016-03-17T15:12:18 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Elevator-Controller-board/
2016-03-17T15:12:19 < mitrax> i'm making my first bootloader for F4, i want the application to be able to have its own vector table when i hand control to it, can the vector table of the application be located anywhere in flash?
2016-03-17T15:12:32 < dongs> mitrax: of course, thats what SCB_VTOR is for
2016-03-17T15:12:39 < jpa-> yeah
2016-03-17T15:12:48 < dongs> you just make your app vector table start at the app offset like 0x4000 or wahtever
2016-03-17T15:12:54 < mitrax> okay thx
2016-03-17T15:13:02 < dongs> and before jumping to it (or in startup code of the app, set vector table address there.
2016-03-17T15:13:04 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/ebike-controller/blob/master/src/bootloader.c#L204
2016-03-17T15:13:22 < dongs> jpa-: you know there's a cmsis intrinsic for the last 2 lines right?>
2016-03-17T15:13:22 < zyp> quick, everybody show your bootloaders!
2016-03-17T15:13:28 < mitrax> ahah
2016-03-17T15:13:53 < jpa-> dongs: possibly, but then some keil user might steal my codes
2016-03-17T15:14:08 < jpa-> what, people didn't want to see my bootloader? :(
2016-03-17T15:14:24 < zyp> here's my take: http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp#n19
2016-03-17T15:14:37 < zyp> jpa-, yes, but you were faster than me :p
2016-03-17T15:15:22 < zyp> jpa-, why msr msp? would sp ever alias psp at that point?
2016-03-17T15:15:37 < zyp> and if it did, would it even work
2016-03-17T15:15:39 < zyp> ?
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2016-03-17T15:15:51 < jpa-> so mov sp, %0 instead?
2016-03-17T15:15:56 < jpa-> yeah, i guess that would be the same
2016-03-17T15:16:24 < zyp> well, you made the load implicit
2016-03-17T15:16:31 < zyp> I just use ldr right to sp
2016-03-17T15:16:33 < jpa-> true
2016-03-17T15:16:45 < zyp> you could go weird and force %0 to be sp
2016-03-17T15:17:05 < zyp> but I'm not sure how the register allocator would like that
2016-03-17T15:17:38 < jpa-> it would probably go berserk and load sp at the start of the func or something
2016-03-17T15:18:18 < zyp> :)
2016-03-17T15:19:06 < zyp> that said, I'm not sure if sp is a valid target for ldr in v6-M
2016-03-17T15:19:29 < zyp> so I might need to rewrite it to support M0+
2016-03-17T15:19:39 < jpa-> does M0 even have SCB->VTOR? or M0+ has?
2016-03-17T15:19:43 < zyp> M0+ has
2016-03-17T15:19:48 < jpa-> yeah
2016-03-17T15:19:53 < dongs> m0 haz none
2016-03-17T15:19:54 < zyp> that's why I prefer l0 over f0
2016-03-17T15:26:18 < mitrax> 48kb bootloader ... *cough*, ok go, laugh!
2016-03-17T15:27:58 < zyp> wtf did you put in it?
2016-03-17T15:28:30 < mitrax> update from usb key or sdcard
2016-03-17T15:28:43 < zyp> ah, host mode
2016-03-17T15:28:46 < mitrax> yup
2016-03-17T15:30:26 < mitrax> oh well not that bad i guess considering i have 2MB flash
2016-03-17T15:31:00 < zyp> F42x?
2016-03-17T15:31:14 < mitrax> yeah
2016-03-17T15:31:22 < zyp> did you get rev 3 silicon? :)
2016-03-17T15:31:23 < mitrax> the rev3 dong got me
2016-03-17T15:31:26 < zyp> hehe
2016-03-17T15:32:16 < dongs> isnt the fisrt sectors huge on F4 anyway
2016-03-17T15:32:28 < dongs> was it 16 or 32k minimum?
2016-03-17T15:33:02 < zyp> yeah, I don't remember the specifics
2016-03-17T15:33:23 < zyp> hmm, 16k sounds right
2016-03-17T15:33:43 < jpa-> 16k i think yeah
2016-03-17T15:33:51 < jpa-> perfect size for bloatloader
2016-03-17T15:34:58 < qyx> much flashes today, I used 32k
2016-03-17T15:37:17 < trepidacious> I have no shame, and a 128K bootloader :)
2016-03-17T15:37:26 < trepidacious> It does network and USB mass storage though
2016-03-17T15:38:28 < rewolff> 16k on mine..... 405.
2016-03-17T15:39:04 < rewolff> (that's the first sector size).
2016-03-17T15:41:24 < qyx> an L1 GPIO should be able to sing/source about 20mA, right?
2016-03-17T15:41:34 < qyx> peak will be probably higher
2016-03-17T15:45:58 < dongs> datasheet has details.
2016-03-17T15:45:59 < dongs> probably.
2016-03-17T15:47:20 < englishman> http://passivewifi.cs.washington.edu/files/passive_wifi.pdf
2016-03-17T15:47:21 < englishman> haha
2016-03-17T15:47:24 < englishman> zero power internet of dicks
2016-03-17T15:47:36 < englishman> 1mbps wireless with 14.5uW
2016-03-17T15:48:03 < jpa-> was that the one that requires very much hacked up router at other end?
2016-03-17T15:48:21 < englishman> requires some carrier transmission
2016-03-17T15:48:39 < Sync_> wow innovation
2016-03-17T15:49:24 < trepidacious> jpa-: You were saying earlier something about type punning to make stuff faster? I lost my log when client crashed, I was goign to google it :)
2016-03-17T15:51:09 < jpa-> nah, it is a way to make undefined behaviour
2016-03-17T15:51:14 < jpa-> but you managed it on your own
2016-03-17T15:53:03 < dongs> whats the tldr on that thing
2016-03-17T15:53:22 < dongs> IdiOT nodes powered by accesspoint?
2016-03-17T15:53:27 < dongs> or just lowpower transmission
2016-03-17T15:53:48 < englishman> not powered by ap but reflecting and modulating carrier sent from ap
2016-03-17T15:54:04 < zyp> load modulation
2016-03-17T15:54:14 < zyp> it's pretty common for low power RF
2016-03-17T15:54:20 < zyp> RFID/NFC uses that
2016-03-17T15:55:15 < zyp> and the automated road toll system we have here in norway is using that too
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2016-03-17T15:56:33 < englishman> yeah, these guys are getting 11mbps tho, which i guess is the innovation
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2016-03-17T15:58:46 < Lux> still needs new hardware
2016-03-17T15:59:01 < Lux> so pretty useless at least for the years to come
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2016-03-17T16:08:43 < dongs> huh, paypal u.s. changed their 'money sent' email quite a lot
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2016-03-17T16:17:52 < zyp> changed their website a lot too
2016-03-17T16:18:28 < dongs> i never notice cuz i have some deeplink for login that goes directly to a simple login page
2016-03-17T16:18:51 < dongs> main site happened liek a year ago tho
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2016-03-17T16:18:59 < dongs> YOUR PROFILE IS 20% COMPLETE
2016-03-17T16:19:07 < dongs> the fuck is this, fakemoney or a social network?
2016-03-17T16:19:13 < zyp> haha
2016-03-17T16:19:14 < mitrax> ahahah
2016-03-17T16:19:29 < zyp> yeah, fuck that
2016-03-17T16:19:39 < dongs> apparently theres a knob somewehre in settings
2016-03-17T16:19:42 < dongs> to turn that off
2016-03-17T16:19:45 < zyp> I filled out everything to get it to go away
2016-03-17T16:19:55 < zyp> and it kept saying "YOUR PROFILE IS 100% COMPLETE"
2016-03-17T16:19:57 < zyp> thanks asshole
2016-03-17T16:19:58 < dongs> haha
2016-03-17T16:20:20 < kow_> they put that crap in a few years ago and gave everyone free burgers to go use it
2016-03-17T16:20:37 < dongs> free assburgers?
2016-03-17T16:20:51 < kow_> but all the restaurants that tried it out stopped taking it after the promo
2016-03-17T16:21:23 < kow_> is it really that hard to launch a payment processor with marginally lower rates than the competition
2016-03-17T16:22:10 < dongs> looks like mine is at 60
2016-03-17T16:22:18 < zyp> I've considered setting up an order page and using stripe to collect payment instead
2016-03-17T16:22:20 < dongs> maybe i should specify my sexual preferences
2016-03-17T16:22:50 < dongs> zyp: if you go to profile
2016-03-17T16:22:54 < dongs> bototm left has 'classic site'
2016-03-17T16:22:57 < dongs> checking if itsticks
2016-03-17T16:22:59 < zyp> but paypal has the one advantage that I can keep received money in the currency I received it in, i.e. USD
2016-03-17T16:23:34 < zyp> so that when I get paid in USD and buy shit in USD, I don't have to pay fees to go USD -> NOK -> USD
2016-03-17T16:23:36 < dongs> lol, nope. classic site just goes to old-style history
2016-03-17T16:23:48 < Sync_> trolled
2016-03-17T16:24:15 < zyp> if I wanted to do that with stripe, I'd need an US bank account
2016-03-17T16:24:23 < englishman> i dont even have the old site link any more :( since like a few months ago
2016-03-17T16:24:37 < dongs> its in my u.s. fakepal from 2007
2016-03-17T16:24:48 < dongs> click the profile wrench and scroll down
2016-03-17T16:24:51 < dongs> from main page.
2016-03-17T16:25:16 < dongs> WHY CAN'T PAYPAL SIMPLY LET USERS THE CHOICE TO HAVE CLASSIC VIEW, IT'S OUTRAGEOUS THAT PAYPAL FORCES THIS UTTER GARBAGE, CLUTTER FILLED NEW INTERFACE ON CUSTOMERS.. THE LOGICAL CHOICE IS TO GIVE THE OPTION TO REVERT BACK TO CLASSIC VEIW WHICH IS EASY TO USE.. UTTER DISRESPECTFUL OF PAYPAL AND IT'S ROBOT EXECUTIVE MANAGERS.
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2016-03-17T16:25:17 < zyp> dongs, meh, I stopped giving a fuck
2016-03-17T16:25:26 < dongs> someone is unhappy
2016-03-17T16:26:14 < zyp> old site used to give me a captcha when I spammed "request a payment" a bunch of times in a row, new site doesn't
2016-03-17T16:26:24 < dongs> hm i never got that
2016-03-17T16:26:29 < dongs> oh, request
2016-03-17T16:26:31 < kow_> new site gave me aids
2016-03-17T16:26:41 < zyp> yeah, to generate simple invoices
2016-03-17T16:26:44 < dongs> i dont think i do that, i used their built in invoicin shit a few times
2016-03-17T16:27:01 < zyp> the pro invoice shit looked like too much work
2016-03-17T16:27:32 < zyp> and I don't trust people to get it right if I tell them to just send me money without an invoice
2016-03-17T16:28:45 < kow_> I was asked to resubmit my invoice yesterday with a proper "header and stuff"
2016-03-17T16:29:23 < kow_> apparently just listing the jobs & hours on a spreadsheet is not right, I should have more typical invoicey things on there
2016-03-17T16:29:48 < zyp> accounting rules are annoying :p
2016-03-17T16:29:59 < kow_> I added the word "INVOICE" to it in size 100 font and they accepted it
2016-03-17T16:30:06 < dongs> do you have a company logo? if not just put dickbut on there
2016-03-17T16:30:15 < zyp> haha
2016-03-17T16:30:29 < zyp> "Dickbutt Enterprises"
2016-03-17T16:30:37 < kow_> next time I'll try phoning in my invoice
2016-03-17T16:30:47 < dongs> dickbutt heavy industries
2016-03-17T16:31:13 < englishman> experiencing massive growth
2016-03-17T16:31:21 < dongs> http://tma.eve-kill.net/Dickbutt?a=corp_detail&crp_id=350703 what
2016-03-17T16:53:52 < trepidacious> Anyone know about how fast STM32F4 ethernet should go? I seem to get about 600KByte/s, I keep thinking it should be faster
2016-03-17T16:54:11 < dongs> zano-speeds
2016-03-17T16:55:13 < zyp> trepidacious, I would expect the MAC to be able to saturate the link
2016-03-17T16:55:48 < zyp> so you probably have a bottleneck at a higher layer
2016-03-17T16:56:10 < trepidacious> zyp: Yup probably, I guess there're a lot of layers
2016-03-17T16:56:31 < zyp> I assume you're talking about TCP?
2016-03-17T16:56:34 < trepidacious> lwip, tcp/ip
2016-03-17T16:56:36 < trepidacious> yup
2016-03-17T16:57:58 < zyp> I would guess it's either inefficient flow control that makes the sender send less than what you can actually receive, or that you're cpu limited
2016-03-17T16:58:52 < trepidacious> zyp: Yup probably CPU, also it seems like there are probably multiple points where data is copied from buffer to buffer
2016-03-17T16:58:53 < mitrax> trepidacios: have you disabled nagle algorithm and any shit suceptible to slow down things? (though naggle shouldn't be a problem if you send large amount of data, no experience with it with lwip though)
2016-03-17T17:00:10 < dongs> dongle algorithm
2016-03-17T17:00:35 < dongs> arent you sreaming video?
2016-03-17T17:00:39 < dongs> you should use RTMP or osmeshit
2016-03-17T17:00:43 < dongs> udp or watever
2016-03-17T17:00:46 < dongs> rtsp?
2016-03-17T17:00:48 < dongs> soemshit like that
2016-03-17T17:00:49 < mitrax> yeah for video tcp is a bad idea
2016-03-17T17:03:28 < kakimir> sup guys have you invented a lot today?
2016-03-17T17:03:36 < trepidacious> Yeah maybe I should try UDP, I'll have a look at the nagle thing as well
2016-03-17T17:04:45 < mitrax> trepidacious: have a look at this http://lwip.wikia.com/wiki/Tuning_TCP if you didn't already
2016-03-17T17:05:11 < kakimir> have anyone come up with any smaller ethernet mcu than 80pin 107Vx?
2016-03-17T17:06:18 < mitrax> there's also LWIP_CHECKSUM_ON_COPY that might improve things, and LWIP_DEBUG that should not be defined
2016-03-17T17:06:34 < trepidacious> mitrax: I think I had a look through that page a little while ago, I'll review it though
2016-03-17T17:07:28 < trepidacious> Should LWIP_CHECKSUM_ON_COPY be on or off?
2016-03-17T17:07:45 < mitrax> on
2016-03-17T17:08:36 < trepidacious> Ah it's off at the moment...
2016-03-17T17:09:00 < mitrax> it might not make a big difference but it's one of the thing listed there http://lwip.wikia.com/wiki/Maximizing_throughput
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2016-03-17T17:24:34 < trepidacious> It seems like it might make a few % difference, I made the TCP_MSS bigger as well and got about 5%
2016-03-17T17:24:48 < trepidacious> I think it was already pretty optimised in terms of LWIP settings, I'll have a look at that other page as well
2016-03-17T17:27:47 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FcWC3qY.jpg
2016-03-17T17:28:10 < Rob235> boo
2016-03-17T17:29:44 < zyp> dongs, hey, those common small smt connectors, what are those?
2016-03-17T17:29:58 < zyp> the ones used on some quadrotor boards, among other shit
2016-03-17T17:30:04 < PaulFertser> trepidacious: you can get ghetto (but still pretty useful) profiling with OpenOCD in no time, just use "profile 30 ethernet-perf.gprof" and then use gprof to see what functions are in there taking most of the time.
2016-03-17T17:30:38 < dongs> zyp, the one on the left here? http://abusemark.com/store/images/naze32metal.jpg
2016-03-17T17:30:59 < zyp> yeah, I guess
2016-03-17T17:30:59 < dongs> or the shit on openpilot
2016-03-17T17:31:16 < englishman> they all use different gay shit
2016-03-17T17:31:18 < dongs> mine is 1.25mm pitch shit, openpilot is jst-something, checking
2016-03-17T17:31:20 < zyp> idk, I just want some cheap small shit
2016-03-17T17:31:24 < englishman> jst-sh is kinda standard
2016-03-17T17:31:28 < dongs> ya -sh
2016-03-17T17:31:28 < englishman> Japan Standard Terminal
2016-03-17T17:31:28 < dongs> that
2016-03-17T17:31:51 < englishman> *Solderless
2016-03-17T17:32:35 < dongs> the shit on mine is MultiComp 1251R-04-SM1 but its a clone of some molex part
2016-03-17T17:32:46 < englishman> zyp: stuff like jst-gh is same pitch but locking
2016-03-17T17:33:03 < englishman> literally over9000 choices and all of them are used by china
2016-03-17T17:33:31 < dongs> china calls them "wafer connector"
2016-03-17T17:33:41 < dongs> i had a proj where guy specified "china xh1.25"
2016-03-17T17:33:44 < zyp> guy is asking me "can you add some IO on the nfc reader for an optional keypad?"
2016-03-17T17:34:01 < zyp> so I'd like some cheap small shit for that
2016-03-17T17:34:06 < dongs> zyp, how many pins?
2016-03-17T17:34:10 < zyp> 8-10
2016-03-17T17:34:10 < dongs> im gonna be using uh..
2016-03-17T17:34:18 < dongs> and i have some cables premade for that
2016-03-17T17:34:20 < dongs> sec
2016-03-17T17:34:48 < zyp> 3x4 keypad needs 7, and I'm not adding an IO connector without ground
2016-03-17T17:35:21 < zyp> and I might as well add 3.3V out as well while I'm at it
2016-03-17T17:35:24 < dongs> hm wehre the fuck is this design
2016-03-17T17:35:55 < dongs> ah i did use JST-SH  8 pin
2016-03-17T17:36:30 < zyp> I assume it costs ~nothing?
2016-03-17T17:36:47 < dongs> ya it was cheap and i have 500 1:1 wire harnesses around 10-15cm long
2016-03-17T17:37:24 < dongs> 1mm pitch
2016-03-17T17:37:27 < dongs> so its pretty compact
2016-03-17T17:37:44 < zyp> right angle or what?
2016-03-17T17:37:48 < dongs> ya
2016-03-17T17:37:59 < zyp> ok
2016-03-17T17:38:08 < dongs> SM10B-SRSS-TB
2016-03-17T17:38:10 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/XQc3j.png <- guess I'm gonna move the button from the edge and fit it there then
2016-03-17T17:38:38 < dongs> or switch to 0402 or smth
2016-03-17T17:39:03 < zyp> haha
2016-03-17T17:39:06 < dongs> its 13mm
2016-03-17T17:39:10 < dongs> for the 8 pin.
2016-03-17T17:39:16 < dongs> max length
2016-03-17T17:39:26 < zyp> SM10B is 10-pin
2016-03-17T17:39:48 < dongs> er yeah im a dick. i meant SM08B
2016-03-17T17:39:57 < dongs> but i mean, 10pin is also available etc.
2016-03-17T17:40:22 < zyp> yeah, I think I want vcc out as well
2016-03-17T17:40:31 < zyp> in case of future bullshit
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2016-03-17T17:42:27 < dongs> anyway those work/cehap wire harness can be made easily
2016-03-17T17:42:55 < dongs> personalyl i'd get rid of that retarded programming socket from the top part
2016-03-17T17:43:01 < dongs> and stick it under the chip or something on the back
2016-03-17T17:43:06 < dongs> and put the connector there
2016-03-17T17:43:19 < dongs> so its like usb | jst | rf junk
2016-03-17T17:43:51 < zyp> yeah, except fuck routing that, way more free gpio on left/top side of chip anyway
2016-03-17T17:43:56 < dongs> you can also switch to englishman button
2016-03-17T17:43:58 < zyp> so routing to where the button is is easy
2016-03-17T17:44:05 < dongs> LY-A03-08A
2016-03-17T17:44:05 < zyp> which?
2016-03-17T17:44:09 < dongs> its super tiny
2016-03-17T17:44:11 < dongs> and clicky
2016-03-17T17:44:16 < zyp> what about price?
2016-03-17T17:44:23 < dongs> like $0.01 or osmeshit
2016-03-17T17:44:26 < zyp> haha, ok
2016-03-17T17:44:31 < dongs> http://de.aliexpress.com/store/product/tactile-smd-switch-LY-A03-08/702761_1699591229.html?storeId=702761
2016-03-17T17:44:34 < dongs> this kidna shit
2016-03-17T17:44:38 < dongs> god damn IT STILL COMES UP IN GERMAN FOR ME FUCK
2016-03-17T17:45:01 < zyp> you're too nazi to not be german
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2016-03-17T17:47:25 < englishman> oh nice, its clicky
2016-03-17T17:47:29 < dongs> ya
2016-03-17T17:47:30 < dongs> very
2016-03-17T17:47:36 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/BVKltjS
2016-03-17T17:48:10 < dongs> mikroschalter
2016-03-17T17:48:51 < dongs> zyp, theres liek 5 connections on that thing
2016-03-17T17:48:59 < dongs> dont tell me youre THAT lazy to route it
2016-03-17T17:52:17 < dongs> bedtime
2016-03-17T17:54:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FLZnE0r.png last freelancer link for today
2016-03-17T17:59:13 < karlp> jpa-: does your write backup() work? it only erases sector 6?
2016-03-17T18:04:42 < zyp> dongs, no, I meant the connector which will have nine :p
2016-03-17T18:05:59 < karlp> kow_: we've currently had ~4 new payment processing type networks setup here. no clue what the motivation is.  my banks app lets me transfer money to anyone by account details, the new apps add the massive innovation of..... transferring to anyone with a phone number.
2016-03-17T18:09:25 < zyp> we have that shit here too, it's kinda convenient
2016-03-17T18:10:16 < zyp> you can request payment from people who owe you, and you get instant confirmation when somebody pays you
2016-03-17T18:10:38 < zyp> and I believe they recently got support for easily splitting bills too
2016-03-17T18:11:00 < zyp> like, you pay, then you just enter the bill and request what the others owe you from them
2016-03-17T18:11:07 < zyp> but I haven't tested that feature
2016-03-17T18:11:21 < karlp> yeah, that's the same stuff they're doing here,
2016-03-17T18:11:28 < karlp> but there's like three, one from each of the banks,
2016-03-17T18:11:50 < karlp> then another company decided to offer, "pay with this other app, and not pay it back for 30 days"!
2016-03-17T18:11:55 < zyp> here there's two as far as I'm aware, and one of those is from .dk
2016-03-17T18:11:57 < karlp> so... just like a credit card, only with more fees.
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2016-03-17T18:12:22 < karlp> finally found someone who worked there, they admitted it's mostly just targetting people who can't get a ccard, which I didn't think was anyone on this rock.
2016-03-17T18:12:40 < zyp> haha
2016-03-17T18:12:52 < karlp> I can't see the appeal of installing an app to be able to send a bill to someone who's phone number I have.
2016-03-17T18:13:03 < karlp> all the people here know their account numbers anyway.
2016-03-17T18:15:20 < zyp> well, I have the phone numbers for most of my friends, I don't have the account numbers for all of them
2016-03-17T18:15:48 < karlp> you'd get them if you needed it though.
2016-03-17T18:15:57 < zyp> and the instant confirmation thing is nice if you're selling shit to random people that you don't necessarily trust
2016-03-17T18:16:24 < karlp> sure, for billing and selling maybe, but as a general, "everybody should have this app! life is so much better!" I just don't get it.
2016-03-17T18:17:05 < karlp> I'd imagine at least one of the ones here is the danish one whitelabelled too..
2016-03-17T18:17:16 < zyp> probably
2016-03-17T18:17:22 < zyp> hmm, apparently there's a third one here too
2016-03-17T18:17:30 < karlp> holy shit the fees are insane too.
2016-03-17T18:17:48 < zyp> oh, there's no fees here
2016-03-17T18:18:41 < zyp> there used to be 1 NOK/transaction on «vipps» and then danish bank's mobilepay came with no fees, so vipps dropped the fees as well
2016-03-17T18:19:16 < zyp> third option is mcash, but it seems like that one is targeted at paying in stores
2016-03-17T18:19:21 < zyp> with some QR bullshit
2016-03-17T18:27:08 < Sync_> karlp: come to germoney
2016-03-17T18:27:21 < Sync_> where CCs are relatively uncommon
2016-03-17T18:28:34 < englishman> this was so weird
2016-03-17T18:28:38 < englishman> i thought it was a modern place
2016-03-17T18:28:45 < englishman> and it is in many ways
2016-03-17T18:28:54 < englishman> but cash really
2016-03-17T18:29:55 < englishman> the only reason i have cash here at all is for the milkman, cuz theres still places out on his route with spotty coverage for a 4G POS
2016-03-17T18:31:07 < karlp> Sync_: maybe in germany I'd see a use for the app, not here though
2016-03-17T18:31:43 < karlp> anyway, how does one get an XY file for pick and place out of alitum? the reports->BOM doesn't let me select the
2016-03-17T18:32:08 < karlp> the reports->componenent cross references doesn't let me select the "designator x,  designator y" fields, maybe because I'm in viewer only
2016-03-17T18:32:19 < Sync_> englishman: why would I carry a plastic card when I can have paper MONIES in muh pocket?
2016-03-17T18:32:31 < englishman> its all the damn coins
2016-03-17T18:32:33 < karlp> sorry, centerx/centery
2016-03-17T18:32:45 < englishman> anyway plastic is old now too, everything is in phone
2016-03-17T18:32:53 < Sync_> naw bruh
2016-03-17T18:33:05 < englishman> karlp: reports->bom lets you do it in pcb mode not sch mode
2016-03-17T18:33:26 < Sync_> I'd actually be suprised if that gets popular here
2016-03-17T18:33:26 < englishman> theres also file -> assembly outputs -> dicknplace
2016-03-17T18:33:36 < Sync_> I mean even the nfc pay shit is basically useless
2016-03-17T18:33:38 < englishman> yeah it takes a great cultural shift
2016-03-17T18:33:44 < Sync_> as nodody has the POS
2016-03-17T18:33:46 < englishman> really? its all thats used here at all
2016-03-17T18:33:47 < Sync_> and nobody uses them
2016-03-17T18:33:51 < englishman> ^ exactly
2016-03-17T18:34:05 < englishman> its well set up here, everyone has a pos and its replaced every 2-3 years
2016-03-17T18:34:07 < englishman> so always latest tech
2016-03-17T18:34:27 < Sync_> well, the transactions are also limited to 20€ per transaction
2016-03-17T18:34:45 < Sync_> so it is even more useless
2016-03-17T18:34:48 < englishman> yikes
2016-03-17T18:34:51 < englishman> its like $100
2016-03-17T18:34:59 < englishman> and after that its just chip+pin
2016-03-17T18:35:48 < karlp> englishman: yeah, reports->bom doesn't let me select any of the extra fields in the all columns,
2016-03-17T18:35:53 < karlp> I presume that's a viewer limitiation
2016-03-17T18:36:07 < karlp> the assembly outputs in this version doesn't ahve the dicknplace option either.
2016-03-17T18:36:09 < Sync_> idk, I rather have paper money, the cards provice too much attack surface imho
2016-03-17T18:36:23 < Sync_> ~provide even
2016-03-17T18:36:37 < karlp> cards for the win man, interested free for a month, itemised statement, no transaction fees, no need to carry the cash around
2016-03-17T18:37:16 < englishman> karlp: drag and drop from the stuff on the left
2016-03-17T18:37:21 < englishman> to add to sort list
2016-03-17T18:37:35 < englishman> from bottom to Grouped Columns in top left
2016-03-17T18:37:37 < englishman> iirc
2016-03-17T18:38:02 < englishman> cant use cash online either
2016-03-17T18:39:37 < Sync_> but I can wire money online
2016-03-17T18:39:58 < Sync_> (or go to my bank with the wire form)
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2016-03-17T18:41:45 < karlp> englishman: yeah, no draggy, must be this viewer.
2016-03-17T18:41:54 < karlp> I could maybe try getting the "viewer" license for a current version.
2016-03-17T18:42:00 < karlp> not a deal breaker.
2016-03-17T18:42:16 < karlp> wiring money has zero protection for you, fuck that
2016-03-17T18:42:53 < Sync_> yup, but that's how it is
2016-03-17T18:43:16 < karlp> I'm not saying credit card processors are better, they'rðe a fucking global scam,
2016-03-17T18:43:39 < karlp> I was just saying I didn't understand why I would want a phone app, that is only transfering from a registerd debig/credit card anyway,
2016-03-17T18:44:00 < Sync_> yeah, I would not want a phone app either
2016-03-17T18:44:14 < Sync_> englishman: most of the POS here work with ELV
2016-03-17T18:44:32 < Sync_> which is doing direct debit from my acct
2016-03-17T18:45:29 < karlp> that's the same as any old debit card right?
2016-03-17T18:45:46 < karlp> only, you can't use it online, because it's got no card number on it or something useless?
2016-03-17T18:45:54 < karlp> anyway, at least it's not danbank .)
2016-03-17T18:46:14 < karlp> englishman: confirmed, no options beyond those predefined by the "owner" of the files ahead of time:Þ https://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Altium+Designer+Viewer+-+Generating+Output
2016-03-17T18:46:22 < Sync_> yes, it is a debit card
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2016-03-17T18:55:04 < englishman> karlp: heh didnt know you were in some free thing
2016-03-17T18:55:50 < jpa-> karlp: sector 6 is 128kB long
2016-03-17T18:57:49 < englishman> zypvna is a great purchase http://i.imgur.com/F73whWm.jpg
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2016-03-17T19:00:40 < englishman> 915.5MHz antenna tunage slightly off http://i.imgur.com/lv9YxMu.jpg
2016-03-17T19:04:02 < Laurenceb_> any ideas how much a horse ECG GUI would cost me on freelancer?
2016-03-17T19:04:17 < Laurenceb_> or is there 0 chance of anyone making anything useful for me on there?
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2016-03-17T19:12:59 < Sync_> Laurenceb_: the latter probably
2016-03-17T19:13:18 < Laurenceb_> heh I wondered if that was the case :D
2016-03-17T19:13:37 < Laurenceb_> back to fighting Qt
2016-03-17T19:18:51 < kakimir> now i have everything needed to tap in my smas
2016-03-17T19:19:08 < kakimir> got some t pieces today
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2016-03-17T19:22:38 < kakimir> fuk terminatin resistors
2016-03-17T19:22:59 < kakimir> just directy to scope an that is that
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2016-03-17T19:23:50 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/napcuFF.png
2016-03-17T19:23:53 < Laurenceb_> what the heck
2016-03-17T19:23:57 < karlp> jpa-: ahh, that explains it :)
2016-03-17T19:24:30 < karlp> englishman: yar, local work has eagle pr0, some design partner that reworked the board for some of the EMC certs redid it all in altium.
2016-03-17T19:24:43 < karlp> but they're now trying to rape us on manufacturing a little :)
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2016-03-17T19:31:04 < karlp> heh http://www.linear.com/product/LTC2873
2016-03-17T19:36:36 < Sync_> that's actually pretty cool
2016-03-17T19:37:07 < Laurenceb_> this just gets more perplexing, qt is convinced it should compile for android
2016-03-17T19:37:30 < Sync_> probably because you told it to
2016-03-17T19:37:59 < Laurenceb_> probably yes
2016-03-17T19:38:12 < Laurenceb_> too much retarded gui config
2016-03-17T19:41:20 < karlp> Sync_: yeah, fully integrated charge pumps for rs232 too,
2016-03-17T19:41:27 < karlp> bargain as well, only $4.45 in 1k!
2016-03-17T19:41:52 < Sync_> well, that is not so nice, but overall, why not
2016-03-17T19:42:13 < Sync_> for when you cannot decide what shit to use
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2016-03-17T19:47:40 < englishman> only LT can find a way to charge $5 for a max232
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2016-03-17T20:11:06 < Steffanx> Rob235 ..
2016-03-17T20:11:14 < Rob235> ?
2016-03-17T20:12:28 < Steffanx> done doing the timeout thing?
2016-03-17T20:12:57 < Rob235> timeout for what? I'm taking a break from the project so haven't been thinking about it recently
2016-03-17T20:13:02 < Rob235> ready to get back into it
2016-03-17T20:13:21 < Steffanx> you were ping timeouting for like 20 minutes.
2016-03-17T20:13:29 < Rob235> oh haha
2016-03-17T20:13:57 < Rob235> lets hope so, i'll quit if I notice it again
2016-03-17T20:16:00 < Laurenceb_> lol http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35828747
2016-03-17T20:16:16 < Steffanx> whats new?
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2016-03-17T20:55:53 < Steffanx> Dongs why did your most favourite waveshare went arduino compatible?
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2016-03-17T21:57:41 < kakimir> icelandair 3eur plug headphones o.o
2016-03-17T21:57:50 < kakimir> deep waters
2016-03-17T21:59:34 < Steffanx> NoContextmir ?
2016-03-17T22:00:23 < kakimir> my pro gears is broken cables and plugs
2016-03-17T22:01:16 < kakimir> I would describe the sound.. niteclub toilet-ish
2016-03-17T22:03:08 < kakimir> after equalization it's niteclub toilet-ish with door open
2016-03-17T22:03:42 < kakimir> not bad actually
2016-03-17T22:05:14 < kakimir> best 3eur headphones actually
2016-03-17T22:05:48 < kakimir> sound doesn't break at any point
2016-03-17T22:06:30 < kakimir> what is usually given
2016-03-17T22:08:57 < kakimir> last time I had 3eur headphones it was 15years ago I guess
2016-03-17T22:20:40 < kakimir> texas is bad with ethernet enabled basic mcus
2016-03-17T22:20:53 < kakimir> they are propably all wireless
2016-03-17T22:21:29 < kakimir> *32bit
2016-03-17T22:27:20 < kakimir> they have tiva of course but that it not basic range
2016-03-17T22:39:48 < kakimir> http://www.atmel.com/devices/ATSAME70J19.aspx 64pin M7 beef running 300mhz
2016-03-17T22:40:41 < kakimir> 7-8usd0% @ 1k
2016-03-17T22:41:05 < kakimir> perfect for zano
2016-03-17T22:43:00 < kakimir> does it double the price to double the core speed?
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2016-03-17T22:49:59 < Steffanx> it even does 1O mbit ethernet.
2016-03-17T22:51:28 < Laurenceb_> found crt https://www.facebook.com/cuckshed/
2016-03-17T22:53:02 < Steffanx> Mirroring Laurenceb_?
2016-03-17T22:53:26 < Steffanx> *refecting, whatever the right word is
2016-03-17T22:53:51 < Steffanx> *reflecting
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2016-03-17T23:04:49 < kakimir> cucks I found 64pin micro with 10/100ethernets
2016-03-17T23:05:00 < kakimir> and around 4usd price too
2016-03-17T23:05:30 < kakimir> 5-6actually
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2016-03-17T23:08:17 < kakimir> XMC4400 series
2016-03-17T23:08:33 < kakimir> infineon
2016-03-17T23:10:55 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/aX55039.jpg
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2016-03-17T23:12:51 < karlp> englishman: it's not just a max232 though, it's the max232 and the rs485, with switcable onboard termination resistors too!
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2016-03-17T23:13:56 < karlp> yeah, icelandair isn't nearly as lux as it was. pretty much nickel and diming like anyone else now.
2016-03-17T23:15:49 < zyp> eh
2016-03-17T23:16:43 < zyp> on what level?
2016-03-17T23:16:52 < zyp> do you have to pay for any checked luggage at all?
2016-03-17T23:17:22 < zyp> I mean, do you have to pay extra to bring a single piece of checked luggage?
2016-03-17T23:18:09 < kakimir> they sold headphones for to keep and with 3.5mm connector
2016-03-17T23:18:51 < karlp> zyp: well, yeah, they're still "nicer" than WOW air, or ryanair, but not nearly what they were in the very recent past
2016-03-17T23:19:13 < zyp> I hate when airlines won't let you bring any checked luggage for free, because the result is a ton of assholes that's too cheap for that and brings way too much carryon instead
2016-03-17T23:19:17 < karlp> yeah, smallest Tiva with ethernet mac is 128qfp.  212 bga for mac+phy
2016-03-17T23:19:27 < zyp> which results in fucking nazi carryon police
2016-03-17T23:19:32 < kakimir> usually you pay that 3eur for some dirt that is being repacked for next customer and doesn't have standard plug
2016-03-17T23:19:37 < zyp> it's just an inconvenience for everyone
2016-03-17T23:19:42 < karlp> yeah, wow does no checked luggage, and a single 5kg hand luggage bag, single piece being nazi
2016-03-17T23:19:48 < karlp> totally agree,
2016-03-17T23:19:52 < karlp> completely fucked.
2016-03-17T23:20:16 < zyp> Norwegian (the airline) is like that, and I avoid them as long as it's reasonable
2016-03-17T23:20:28 < englishman> zyp: delta does a semi checked shit where they take your bag at the ramp and stow it
2016-03-17T23:20:38 < englishman> which is just as dumb but they pass less airport fee for throwing
2016-03-17T23:20:42 < englishman> pay less
2016-03-17T23:21:09 < zyp> also, why the fuck are you caring about shitty headsets?
2016-03-17T23:21:19 < englishman> kakimir is leaving the country?
2016-03-17T23:21:22 < englishman> by choice?
2016-03-17T23:21:35 < zyp> the only headset I'm wearing on a flight is a proper noise cancelling one
2016-03-17T23:22:17 < zyp> and I got an airline adapter with it when I bought it, in case I want to listen to inflight audio channels
2016-03-17T23:24:47 < kakimir> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cdr8ApUWIAA9eAS.jpg
2016-03-17T23:25:08 < zyp> I don't need a book for that
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2016-03-18T00:02:41 < karlp> am I right in thinking that there's no external ADC cahnnels free on the headers of the l4 disco?
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2016-03-18T00:04:43 < Rob235> oh shit is this still going on? sorry
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2016-03-18T00:08:24 < oz4ga> g'day
2016-03-18T00:08:45 < PeterM> gday crt
2016-03-18T00:09:32 < PeterM> fuckin rainin here
2016-03-18T00:09:54 < PeterM> its like "woo, no outside work today" "fuck, more outside work tomorrow"
2016-03-18T00:10:15 < oz4ga> VB :)
2016-03-18T00:10:57 < PeterM> you can get it thumpin'
2016-03-18T00:11:26 < PeterM> you can et it dumpin'
2016-03-18T00:11:31 < PeterM> matter of fact
2016-03-18T00:11:48 < PeterM> i've got on in the fridge
2016-03-18T00:12:10 < PeterM> it's too early to start now, even though it is friday
2016-03-18T00:12:27 < PeterM> oz4ga, where abouts are you from
2016-03-18T00:12:37 < PeterM> i assume aussie livign abroad?
2016-03-18T00:13:17 < PeterM> woah, nope
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2016-03-18T00:32:11 < karlp> hrm, no idea why adc readings on l4 don't work.  get a nice clean temperature reading from internal, the 5 adc pins available on the l4 disco headers are all connected to the joystick switches, but if I don't push the switch, it should be ok to read analog there.
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2016-03-18T00:38:45 < karlp> yeah I know, so a pot on pa1,5,2,3 should all just work ok.
2016-03-18T00:38:50 < karlp> I wonder what's gone awry.
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2016-03-18T00:45:02 < karlp> hrm, maybe I need to run the calibration.
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2016-03-18T00:47:31 < Laurenceb_> calling c++ gurus http://pastebin.com/ZseTnNrv
2016-03-18T00:47:53 < zyp> yeah?
2016-03-18T00:47:57 < Laurenceb_> graph.h:50: error: invalid use of incomplete type 'class Graph
2016-03-18T00:48:18 < Laurenceb_> top of paste is line 49
2016-03-18T00:48:24 < Thorn> >class Graph : public Graph
2016-03-18T00:48:28 < zyp> well, duh
2016-03-18T00:48:32 < Thorn> incest detected
2016-03-18T00:48:33 < zyp> a class can't inherit itself
2016-03-18T00:48:37 < Thorn> or autofellatio
2016-03-18T00:48:52 < Laurenceb_> hmm i see
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2016-03-18T01:04:59  * karlp is running cubemx
2016-03-18T01:05:05 < karlp> even had a linux installer that worked.
2016-03-18T01:06:21 < karlp> this homo right here sexypants.
2016-03-18T01:09:33 < jadew> since I discovered VMs, I removed my linux HDD
2016-03-18T01:09:45 < jadew> I now only need a tiny window to run make in
2016-03-18T01:09:52 < jadew> and I can do all the editting from windows
2016-03-18T01:10:23 < Laurenceb_> I suck at c++
2016-03-18T01:10:35 < Laurenceb_> graph.cpp:147: error: no matching function for call to 'QObject::connect(QTimer*, const char*, Graph* const, const char*)'
2016-03-18T01:10:54 < jadew> that's not your fault, that's probably Qt
2016-03-18T01:10:58 < Laurenceb_>   QObject::connect(&dataTimer, SIGNAL(timeout()), this, SLOT(realtimeDataSlot()));
2016-03-18T01:11:02 < jadew> because the error has Qt in it
2016-03-18T01:11:05 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-03-18T01:12:52 < Laurenceb_> maybe 'this' is causing it
2016-03-18T01:13:35 < Thorn> first arg should be const
2016-03-18T01:14:02 < jadew> Thorn, it shouldn't matter
2016-03-18T01:14:16 < jadew> if the argument is not const but the function expects const, it's fine
2016-03-18T01:14:48 < jadew> Laurenceb_, you'll probably have more luck in #qt
2016-03-18T01:14:55 < Thorn> Graph doesn't inherit QObject
2016-03-18T01:14:58 < karlp> huh, cubemx clock solver implies I can run usb on MSI+pll, but not HSI+pll...
2016-03-18T01:14:59 < karlp> odd.
2016-03-18T01:16:16 < jadew> Thorn, of course, Graph inherits from Graph :P
2016-03-18T01:16:32 < Thorn> that's right
2016-03-18T01:17:30 < jadew> I like cubemx because it shows you the pins
2016-03-18T01:18:05 < jadew> it's a good tool when you're doing pin planning
2016-03-18T01:18:32 < ohsix> power calc 2
2016-03-18T01:18:38 < Laurenceb_> yay it compiles
2016-03-18T01:18:48 < Laurenceb_> doesnt actually fire up the graph tho lol
2016-03-18T01:19:54 < Laurenceb_> I fail hard
2016-03-18T01:20:18 < karlp> heh cubemx even knows how to download periph libraries
2016-03-18T01:20:31 < karlp> didnt' find a way to tell it where to find the 200meg file I'd already downloaded, but ok, whatever works.
2016-03-18T01:21:06  * jadew wants to upgrade to gigabit
2016-03-18T01:21:26 < jadew> if only I would wake up in the morning...
2016-03-18T01:21:37 < jadew> crt, what's it like?
2016-03-18T01:21:43 < jadew> price/speed
2016-03-18T01:22:13 < jadew> some might consider that fun
2016-03-18T01:22:34 < jadew> but yeah, I think I heard that before
2016-03-18T01:22:46 < jadew> how much do you pay?
2016-03-18T01:24:45 < jadew> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5176733249
2016-03-18T01:25:11 < jadew> yeah, that's a bad deal
2016-03-18T01:25:21 < jadew> I pay ~$7 for this connection
2016-03-18T01:25:34 < jadew> can get 300 Mbps @ $10
2016-03-18T01:25:51 < jadew> or 1 Gbps @ ~14
2016-03-18T01:26:12 < jadew> heh
2016-03-18T01:26:18 < jadew> lol
2016-03-18T01:26:42 < jadew> well, could be worse
2016-03-18T01:27:07 < Thorn> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5176736010  $4.50/month
2016-03-18T01:27:18 < jadew> I remember one time when the main office of the company I work for had shittier internet than I had on my phone
2016-03-18T01:27:57 < jadew> Thorn, nice!
2016-03-18T01:27:59 < jadew> that's super cheap
2016-03-18T01:28:43 < jadew> maybe I won't sleep at all tonight so I can go tomorrow morning and upgrade my connection
2016-03-18T01:29:09 < karlp> wow, this cube generated code is aids but.
2016-03-18T01:30:12 < jadew> it's what chicks use these days to induce vomitting
2016-03-18T01:30:24 < jadew> two fingers are a thing of the past
2016-03-18T01:31:12 < karlp> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5176736010 and ~80usd/month, though the speed and ping you'd get from about 30usd/month, I'm just paying for more data.
2016-03-18T01:31:53 < karlp> oop,s that's thorns
2016-03-18T01:31:55 < karlp> this is mine http://beta.speedtest.net/result/5176743545
2016-03-18T01:32:54 < karlp> ping 1ms for me is kinda spurious though, I live in the capital, and it's fibre.
2016-03-18T01:33:14 < karlp> it's 40ms or so to the UK, so that's starting latency for anything that's not in iceland...
2016-03-18T01:34:24 < jadew> Pinging google.co.uk [62.231.75.246] with 32 bytes of data:
2016-03-18T01:34:24 < jadew> Reply from 62.231.75.246: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=59
2016-03-18T01:35:19 < karlp> crt: hey, bright side, you can get to australian net banks easily :)
2016-03-18T01:36:15 < karlp> huh,
2016-03-18T01:36:25 < karlp> was just going to get pings to NAB, turns out ib.nab.com.au is now on akamai
2016-03-18T01:36:33 < karlp> might be not as sucky as before from 400ms away :)
2016-03-18T01:36:53 < karlp> hehe, nab only pays for akamai in the uk though
2016-03-18T01:37:03 < karlp> smh.com.au is being hosted on akamai in .is ;)
2016-03-18T01:37:12 < karlp> born in .is, grew up in the sunshine state.
2016-03-18T01:39:46 < jadew> http://www.improveaudio.com/index.htm
2016-03-18T01:40:47 < karlp> ahh, there we go, commsec.com.au is 380ms away :)
2016-03-18T01:40:58 < karlp> not many web designers plan things for that sort of latency :)
2016-03-18T01:41:16 < jadew> karlp, I get a timeout
2016-03-18T01:41:37 < karlp> on ping, yeah, it drop sthem, mtr or traceroute will show you
2016-03-18T01:41:55 < jadew> doing a traceroute now
2016-03-18T01:42:00 < jadew> but it goes slow
2016-03-18T01:43:00 < jadew> looks like it goes out through london
2016-03-18T01:43:27 < jadew> and I have a 38ms delay to that gateway, so the google ping was not into an uk server
2016-03-18T01:44:08 < jadew> also, 380 ms latency is not bad if the connection is good
2016-03-18T01:44:30 < karlp> ever used a "modern" web site with taht latency?
2016-03-18T01:44:33 < karlp> it's not good at all.
2016-03-18T01:44:37 < jadew> after the first connection the browser makes, the other connections will be left hanging
2016-03-18T01:44:43 < jadew> (but initiated)
2016-03-18T01:45:01 < jadew> that if the server accepts only one connection at a time
2016-03-18T01:45:16 < jadew> if it accepts more, most of them will go through pretty fast
2016-03-18T01:45:34 < Laurenceb_> www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0752f85
2016-03-18T01:45:34 < karlp> I think youð're talking from assumptions, not experience.
2016-03-18T01:46:39 < jadew> karlp, the only thing I'm not sure on is how long it takes for the data to go through after a new connection has been made available by the server
2016-03-18T01:47:00 < jadew> the connections do hang, while the one connection that made it through is being served
2016-03-18T01:47:17 < jadew> when that's done, the server will accept the next one and it will serve that one too
2016-03-18T01:47:28 < jadew> the point is that part of the TCP handshake is done
2016-03-18T01:47:50 < jadew> and if the server can send both the accept + data in the same packet, the initial latency is greatly reduced
2016-03-18T01:49:00 < karlp> I think you'r enot truly aware of just how much shit gets fucked in the head when it's confronted with great latencies.
2016-03-18T01:49:35 < karlp> half of the UDP blasting tech came up because peter jackson coulnd't utilise bandwidth sending files from nz to la.
2016-03-18T01:49:46 < karlp> "you've got a 10megabit link, what's the problem?"
2016-03-18T01:49:51 < karlp> "shit don't work y0"
2016-03-18T01:50:01 < jadew> UDP is different
2016-03-18T01:50:08 < karlp> you're misunderstanding.
2016-03-18T01:50:18 < karlp> I'm saying they started using UDP ideas _beause_ tcp wasn't working
2016-03-18T01:50:34 < karlp> and you were also saying, "it's no problem" to y web issues. (whcih are tcp)
2016-03-18T01:50:59 < jadew> I didn't say it's not a problem, it's just that it may not be as big as you think
2016-03-18T01:51:15 < karlp> or as I said, I think you're making assumptions that, while reasonable, are not born out by my absolute fucking truth of doign it and having it suck.
2016-03-18T01:51:25 < karlp> I dind't bring this up as a hypothetical,
2016-03-18T01:51:34 < jadew> if once data starts going through, it goes fast, then most of the initial latency is "spent" at the same time by multiple connections
2016-03-18T01:51:53 < jadew> they don't have to incur the initial lantecy _after_ the previous connection was closed
2016-03-18T01:52:26 < karlp> http://mygifgif.tumblr.com/post/127253801959
2016-03-18T01:52:56 < jadew> don't make me build something to test this
2016-03-18T01:53:35 < jadew> there's no reason why this wouldn't be true
2016-03-18T01:54:17 < jadew> when the browser tries to connect to a server to download media, it does it in bluk (multiple connections)
2016-03-18T01:54:26 < jadew> if the server accepts only one connection/ip
2016-03-18T01:54:30 < jadew> it doesn't reject the others
2016-03-18T01:54:48 < jadew> it keeps them hanging until it can do another accept()
2016-03-18T01:55:12 < jadew> so the initial connection packet (with 300 ms of latency) has already been sent and received
2016-03-18T01:55:23 < jadew> it would simply stay in the queue on the server
2016-03-18T01:55:58 < karlp> you're forgetting that a "modern" web page, as I said, likes to make ltos of requests to update parts of the page, ajax all the thigns.
2016-03-18T01:56:09 < karlp> every one of those still gets a 380ms hit.
2016-03-18T01:56:11 < jadew> well, that's different
2016-03-18T01:56:15 < jadew> and yeah
2016-03-18T01:56:22 < karlp> no, it's absoltuely the entire thing I said in the beginning.
2016-03-18T01:56:40 < jadew> I assumed you mean tons of images and a shitload of other files
2016-03-18T01:56:46 < jadew> which is pretty "modern"
2016-03-18T01:57:04 < karlp> what? static files and bulk connections is like 90s web.
2016-03-18T01:57:13 < karlp> and yes, sure, in that case, you get a slow start, then you're fine.
2016-03-18T01:57:47 < jadew> then we agree :)
2016-03-18T01:57:52 < karlp> I guess :)
2016-03-18T01:58:18 < karlp> so, anyone had any experience with the l4 and adc?  I can read nice temperature readings and internal temp sensor, but must be missing something from reading external cahnnels.
2016-03-18T01:58:28 < karlp> cubemx shitz are not providing illumination
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2016-03-18T02:28:50 < karlp> ah fuck yes.
2016-03-18T02:29:40 < karlp> GPIO_ASCR wasn't set to actually connect the analog to analog
2016-03-18T02:29:50 < karlp> works now, yay.
2016-03-18T02:32:57 < karlp> no, never found it in cube either,
2016-03-18T02:33:08 < karlp> just decided to scan all the gpio stuff to see if there were any input modes I'd missed
2016-03-18T02:33:17 < karlp> looking at cube was just a waste of time.
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2016-03-18T02:40:58 < Laurenceb_> I suck at c++ continued
2016-03-18T02:41:04 < Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/xsxjaFEQ
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2016-03-18T02:41:13 < Laurenceb_>  window.cpp:9: error: no matching function for call to 'Window::statusBar(QWidget*&)'
2016-03-18T02:41:30 < Laurenceb_> window.cpp:9: error: invalid use of incomplete type 'struct QStatusBar'
2016-03-18T02:41:38 < Laurenceb_> if I get rid of parent
2016-03-18T02:42:24 < PeterM> ahhh, so lovely being in the country, where when the wind blows you hear it howl through the trees, and the crack of electricity as powerlines smash together and you get a blackout for who knows how long
2016-03-18T02:43:33 < Laurenceb_> qt makes me rage
2016-03-18T02:46:00 < Sync_> that is how it works
2016-03-18T02:46:01 < Laurenceb_> how do i statusbar
2016-03-18T02:46:20 < Laurenceb_> and why the fuck do i need mainwindow to use statusbar
2016-03-18T02:46:53 < Sync_> can I sell you pro qt engineering tiem?
2016-03-18T02:47:10 < Laurenceb_> it seems easyish to make things work using ui, as everything sort of makes sense
2016-03-18T02:47:18 < Laurenceb_> but the ui design tool makes me rage
2016-03-18T02:47:25 < Laurenceb_> nope I'm not playing sorry :P
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2016-03-18T02:48:56 < Sync_> well, then rage along
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2016-03-18T02:49:42 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bogotobogo.com/Qt/Qt5_QStatusBar.php
2016-03-18T02:49:51 < Laurenceb_> if only I could do that with no ui I'd be happy
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2016-03-18T02:53:39 < Laurenceb_> window.cpp:9: error: invalid use of incomplete type 'struct QStatusBar'
2016-03-18T02:53:48 < Laurenceb_> I don't even know what that means
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2016-03-18T03:05:26 < upgrdman> how do i swap between mils and mm's in altidongs?
2016-03-18T03:19:08 < dongs> q
2016-03-18T03:28:45 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/General-electronics-technican/
2016-03-18T03:28:53 < dongs> > Applicants must be in the Hong Kong, Shenzhen, or at most Dongguan or Guangzhou regions
2016-03-18T03:28:58 < dongs> > guy from Morocco bids
2016-03-18T03:29:05 < dongs> do they even read
2016-03-18T03:32:58 < upgrdman> dongs: is there an easy way to draw a coil symbol, or is it just circles that you have to tweak?
2016-03-18T03:33:31 < upgrdman> dongs, re: link, lol, why is it in english then?
2016-03-18T03:33:59 < dongs> just use arcs or somethin
2016-03-18T03:43:43 < dongs> Did you know? There is a species of octopus called the argonaut. The male stores up sperm in his penis/tentacle and when he finds a mate, he tears it off and gives it to her so that she can, quite literally, go fuck herself.
2016-03-18T03:45:36 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/project-9965031/
2016-03-18T03:45:42 < dongs> cool proj, but $8/hr? ya right.
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2016-03-18T03:48:09 < dongs> fuck yes
2016-03-18T03:48:19 < dongs> my box of shit arrived ahead of schedule
2016-03-18T03:48:30 < kakimir> dongtacle
2016-03-18T03:49:00 < kakimir> i bettrt slrrp>
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2016-03-18T03:50:13 < upgrdman> damn. why the fuck are there no calipers here :/
2016-03-18T03:50:20 < dongs> hobbyking.com
2016-03-18T03:50:26 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__4304__HobbyKing_8482_Digital_Vernier_Calipers_150mm.html
2016-03-18T03:50:27 < upgrdman> what's the size of typical perf board holes and anus ring?
2016-03-18T03:50:29 < dongs> go
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2016-03-18T03:55:11 < ohsix> i bought one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orange-80mm-Mini-Plastic-Sliding-Vernier-Caliper-Gauge-Measure-Tool-Ruler-CS5G-/351680123482?hash=item51e1c4d25a:
2016-03-18T03:56:48 < dongs> upgrdman: jameco says 0.08"
2016-03-18T03:57:03 < dongs> fucking freedom units
2016-03-18T03:57:10 < upgrdman> k thx bro
2016-03-18T03:57:28 < upgrdman> i'd be fucking googling this shit, but fuck the net is slow here
2016-03-18T03:58:05 < dongs> isnt google banned in china anyway
2016-03-18T03:58:17 < dongs> more like baidu'ing
2016-03-18T03:59:10 < upgrdman> vpn ftw
2016-03-18T03:59:30 < upgrdman> but ya, i forgot to install vpn shitz on my phone, so on my phone i have to bing it or yahoo it. 100% gay
2016-03-18T04:00:07 < ohsix> what's goign on
2016-03-18T04:00:21 < ohsix> nm, had to read less than i expected
2016-03-18T04:00:42 < upgrdman> im chinagrdman for a lil while
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2016-03-18T04:00:51 < upgrdman> working aborad
2016-03-18T04:00:55 < ohsix> cool
2016-03-18T04:16:10 < upgrdman> dongs, how do i set pcb size. i just want a rectangle, x*y mm
2016-03-18T04:16:20 < dongs> make a rectangle on keepout layer
2016-03-18T04:16:22 < dongs> click one line
2016-03-18T04:16:23 < dongs> tab
2016-03-18T04:16:24 < dongs> dsd
2016-03-18T04:17:20 < ohsix> are you near any of the big electronic trading market centers upgrdman
2016-03-18T04:17:38 < ohsix> i like to think everything i get on ebay is from one building :[
2016-03-18T04:18:09 < upgrdman> no
2016-03-18T04:18:11 < upgrdman> shanghai
2016-03-18T04:18:19 < upgrdman> im not in shenzhen
2016-03-18T04:18:19 < ohsix> werd
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2016-03-18T04:21:21 < upgrdman> dongs, current board size is too small
2016-03-18T04:21:37 < dongs> upgrdman: yeah so, like i said
2016-03-18T04:21:41 < dongs> make a new sized outline
2016-03-18T04:21:43 < dongs> select it all
2016-03-18T04:21:45 < dongs> and dsd
2016-03-18T04:21:57 < upgrdman> oh ok, so overhang is fine. cool
2016-03-18T04:23:49 < ohsix> zomg mcmaster carr doesn't have blind plugs
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2016-03-18T04:25:04 < ohsix> i think that's the first random part i've looked for that they haven't
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2016-03-18T05:04:00 < upgrdman> dongs, when routing, if i try to change trace width with shift-w, nothing changes. any ideas?
2016-03-18T05:05:17 < dongs> do you have width rule thats overriding it?
2016-03-18T05:05:21 < dongs> dr->width
2016-03-18T05:07:30 < upgrdman> lol yes
2016-03-18T05:07:35 < upgrdman> mix = max = 10mil. wtf
2016-03-18T05:08:03 < dongs> yeah.
2016-03-18T05:08:05 < dongs> thats dfeault rule.
2016-03-18T05:08:32 < dongs> also if you used tab instead of shiftw you'd notice it said about rule overriding it
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2016-03-18T05:15:26 < Laurenceb_> oh my god
2016-03-18T05:15:27 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/f27c5XF.jpg
2016-03-18T05:15:33 < Laurenceb_> its finally been exposed
2016-03-18T05:16:20 < Laurenceb_> but I'm so sick of these conspiracy theories
2016-03-18T05:16:58 < ohsix> real old
2016-03-18T05:17:13 < ohsix> when dongs posted it it was old and that was like a month ago
2016-03-18T05:22:10 < upgrdman> dongs, can i force a trace to not bend?
2016-03-18T05:22:38 < upgrdman> like a pad is not aligned to the grid, and i want a straight trace from it to a grid-aligned trace
2016-03-18T05:23:03 < dongs> hold ctrl i guess
2016-03-18T05:23:13 < dongs> then once youre on the right spot, let go and click.
2016-03-18T05:23:25 < dongs> takes a bit of dicking, sometimes it jumps anyway if you move after release ctrl
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2016-03-18T05:41:30 < ohsix> what does altiums impedance routing look like
2016-03-18T05:42:55 < ohsix> yea what's it do
2016-03-18T05:43:03 < dongs> it routes
2016-03-18T05:43:14 < ohsix> with just right angles?
2016-03-18T05:44:34 < ohsix> i saw some coolpro very slick curved traces on some stuff and i think that section came out of some fem package
2016-03-18T05:45:16 < ohsix> don't see pictures of it but it looks like it will adjust trace widths and do squiggly lines
2016-03-18T05:46:44 < ohsix>  http://www.mbedded.ninja/ wut
2016-03-18T06:09:48 < upgrdman> dongs, on my pcb, the silkscreen shits look green, but there is no green layer. yellow is Top Overlay. is this normal?
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2016-03-18T06:14:30 < ohsix> isn't display layer color diff from actual layer/silkscreen/mask color
2016-03-18T06:15:34 < dongs> upgrdman: hit L and see, green sounds like one of mech layers
2016-03-18T06:15:45 < dongs> they probably edited the bottom layer list
2016-03-18T06:15:58 < dongs> click the LS button in bottom left of pcb
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2016-03-18T06:53:13 < Laurenceb_> ok my c++ failing are showing again
2016-03-18T06:53:14 < Laurenceb_> https://gist.github.com/Laurenceb/70bca44a7fcab8758233
2016-03-18T06:53:25 < Laurenceb_> so I have this copypasta serial port code
2016-03-18T06:53:50 < Laurenceb_> dont know how to call it
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2016-03-18T06:54:15 < Laurenceb_> usually     setLayout(Layout); is needed
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2016-03-18T06:55:05 < dongs> holy shit that looks just as awful as I expected
2016-03-18T06:55:19 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-18T06:55:33 < Laurenceb_> I don't get how layout is inside the function
2016-03-18T06:55:58 < Laurenceb_> doesnt that just stick it on stack same as plane old c ? so it no longer exists after function call
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2016-03-18T06:56:16 < dongs> its new'd?
2016-03-18T06:56:19 < dongs> so its a llocated
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2016-03-18T06:56:31 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-03-18T06:56:36 < Laurenceb_> but it doesnt seem to be applied
2016-03-18T06:56:46 < dongs> that i have no fuckin idea
2016-03-18T06:56:56 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-18T06:56:58 < Laurenceb_>     PortSelectDialog* ports = new PortSelectDialog;
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2016-03-18T06:57:05 < Laurenceb_> does that seem reasonable ^  ?
2016-03-18T06:57:12 < dongs> does it need ()?
2016-03-18T06:57:20 < Laurenceb_> hmm
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2016-03-18T06:58:24 < Laurenceb_> still draws nothing
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2016-03-18T07:19:17 < Laurenceb_> aha made it sort of work
2016-03-18T07:19:44 < Laurenceb_> just added PortSelectDialog directly to the tabbed dialog
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2016-03-18T07:20:06 < Laurenceb_> but it can't detect any serial ports.. I have several on this machin
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2016-03-18T07:32:21 < upgrdman> dongs, if i modify the footprint of something in my schematic, how do i tell the pcb to recheck the footprint? compile pcb project, and import changes from schematic didnt seem to do it
2016-03-18T07:33:51 < dongs> you dont, goto pcb library, right click that new footprint and 'update pcb'
2016-03-18T07:34:14 < dongs> new = its same name but you changed some junk right?
2016-03-18T07:34:33 < upgrdman> i just moves a silk line
2016-03-18T07:34:36 < upgrdman> moved*
2016-03-18T07:34:37 < dongs> right.
2016-03-18T07:34:42 < dongs> so rightclick>update.
2016-03-18T07:34:51 < dongs> from pcblibrary
2016-03-18T07:35:33 < upgrdman> beautiful. thx
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2016-03-18T07:47:55 < dongs> there's also footprint manager or smth where you can do bulk updates
2016-03-18T07:48:05 < dongs> but if its just one thing its easier to do it that way
2016-03-18T08:04:19 < Laurenceb_> wow it works
2016-03-18T08:04:33 < Laurenceb_> this is way smarted than I expected, it sanity checks found devices
2016-03-18T08:07:11 < Laurenceb_> "Description: " "TTL232R-3V3"
2016-03-18T08:07:23 < Laurenceb_> "Manufacturer: " "FTDI"
2016-03-18T08:07:34 < Laurenceb_> had to stick in some legit FTDI for it to work
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2016-03-18T08:13:03 < emeb_mac> where do you find "legit" FTDI?
2016-03-18T08:13:34 < ds2> at the legit FTDI store where they only sell legit FTDI
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2016-03-18T08:13:58 < emeb_mac> It's just so simple!
2016-03-18T08:14:17 < ds2> you only getfake ones if you goto the fake FTDI store
2016-03-18T08:14:44 < emeb_mac> the prices are lower, but the lines are longer
2016-03-18T08:14:51 < ds2> where all the sales people wear trench coats, dark glasses, and fedoras and the entire store is dimly lite
2016-03-18T08:15:35 < emeb_mac> and the products are liable to stop working when FTDI updates their drivers
2016-03-18T08:16:20 < ds2> listen to the wise old man sitting at the fork of the road to the 2 stores... one store always tells the truth and the other store always lies.
2016-03-18T08:18:51 < ohsix> the qtserialport code actually checks for ftdi devices
2016-03-18T08:18:52 < lorenzo> legit ftdi
2016-03-18T08:18:54 < lorenzo> is that even a thing
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2016-03-18T08:24:17 < jpa-> ohsix: what does it do for them?
2016-03-18T08:32:10 < ohsix> nothing that looked interesting, i pasted a link the other day when they were just starting, let me find it
2016-03-18T08:33:03 < ohsix> https://github.com/qtproject/qtserialport/blob/dev/src/serialport/qserialportinfo_win.cpp#L251
2016-03-18T08:35:38 < ohsix> other devices probably got skipped for some other reason
2016-03-18T08:35:49 < jpa-> so just getting some ids
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2016-03-18T08:56:59 < upgrdman> dongs, i get DRC errors for a device because it things the device takes up space by its bounding box, but the device is a big L shaped piece of shit. how do i fix this?
2016-03-18T08:57:19 < upgrdman> e.g. it things the device overlaps others, but it does not because it's L shaped
2016-03-18T08:57:25 < dongs> you can draw 3d model on top of footprint or turn off collisions
2016-03-18T08:57:52 < dongs> if you put 2 boxes on top of footprint in 3d mode to match the space it uses up, it will pass drc.
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2016-03-18T08:58:06 < upgrdman> ahh wonderful
2016-03-18T08:58:28 < upgrdman> boxes go on mech1 layer, right?
2016-03-18T08:58:39 < dongs> i stick them on 13 but there's no specific rule really.
2016-03-18T09:04:02 < ohsix> calculator nerd stuff: http://www.rskey.org/~mwsebastian/miscprj/forensics.htm
2016-03-18T09:15:15 < dongs> uhh shouldnt result be 9
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2016-03-18T09:30:06 < ohsix> it would if it was infinite precision and sin/cos was perfect
2016-03-18T09:30:19 < ohsix> but that stuff is usually done with a table and interpolation or recursion
2016-03-18T09:30:26 < ohsix> and bcd
2016-03-18T09:30:54 < ohsix> basically just asking the 3 tables and arctan/sin/cos tables what's in them
2016-03-18T09:31:55 < ohsix> takes a pretty long time to get an answer on the fx115es plus
2016-03-18T09:32:23 < ohsix> i wonder if it doesn't do recursion for a limited time instead of limited number
2016-03-18T09:37:56 < ohsix> kind of feeling the math nerd bug contemplating how many ways you can calculate sine
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2016-03-18T12:15:17 < dongs> http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/bfs/5490043257.html totally legit
2016-03-18T12:20:38 < PeterM> aww shit wanting to buy money
2016-03-18T12:22:08 < dongs> dongs
2016-03-18T12:22:21 < PeterM> why the shit are leadless micro packages so uncommon/much more expensive
2016-03-18T12:22:39 < dongs> what teh fuck are those?
2016-03-18T12:22:41 < dongs> LFCSP or wahtever?
2016-03-18T12:23:00 < PeterM> leadless is anything without a lead, so dnf/qfn, bga, whatever
2016-03-18T12:23:15 < zyp> uncommon?
2016-03-18T12:23:47 < PeterM> compared to leaded, yeah
2016-03-18T12:24:17 < dongs> did you drop a flux capacitor
2016-03-18T12:24:21 < zyp> how is it uncommon?
2016-03-18T12:24:42 < jpa-> bga and qfn are pretty common and seems about similar price to me
2016-03-18T12:24:49 < zyp> yeah
2016-03-18T12:25:08 < dongs> I"m sure STM in bga would have been totally common if ST didn't fuck up and make it like 0.4mm pitch
2016-03-18T12:25:30 < dongs> I would use 7x7 bga at 0.8mm pitch over 48qfp ~anyday~
2016-03-18T12:25:30 < zyp> well, I use qfp because that keeps board complexity lower
2016-03-18T12:25:40 < PeterM> dongs how much does your chinagirl want for a stm32f103c8t6 vs same spec stm32f103 in dfn/qfn?
2016-03-18T12:25:47 < jpa-> tqfp is also easier to probe
2016-03-18T12:25:57 < zyp> when area isn't a premium, qfp is easier to work with
2016-03-18T12:26:08 < zyp> so it gets bought more, and therefore becomes cheaper
2016-03-18T12:26:21 < dongs> PeterM: i bout some 5x5bgas of F103 they were spendy-ish. problem wiht qfn stm32 is that nobodyt uses them. so the demand is low, price is high
2016-03-18T12:26:24 < zyp> cheaper and more available
2016-03-18T12:26:33 < dongs> yea wat zyp said.
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2016-03-18T12:27:31 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/tool/lm_partlibrary_altium !
2016-03-18T12:27:43 < PeterM> btu is the demand low bacause the price is high?
2016-03-18T12:27:57 < dongs> well, in case of stm demand is low beacuse its 0.4mm pitch trash
2016-03-18T12:28:05 < dongs> nobody is go nna put a $1 part on a HDI board
2016-03-18T12:28:29 < dongs> need to do change.org
2016-03-18T12:28:37 < dongs> force stm to expand pitch to 0.8mm
2016-03-18T12:28:55 < dongs> Fwd: Re: CC: President Obama
2016-03-18T12:30:24 < dongs> holy shit
2016-03-18T12:30:28 < dongs> that altidong lib is export controlled
2016-03-18T12:30:41 < zyp> PeterM, no, it's because it's harder to work with
2016-03-18T12:30:41 < dongs> I certify that the following is true:
2016-03-18T12:30:48 < dongs> (a) I understand that this Software/Tool/Document is subject to export controls under the U.S. Commerce Department’s Export Administration Regulations ("EAR").
2016-03-18T12:30:51 < dongs> (b) I am NOT located in Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan or Syria. I understand these are prohibited destination countries under the EAR or U.S. sanctions regulations.
2016-03-18T12:34:21 < PeterM> zyp DNF isn't really harder to work wiht than qfp, i understand bga but not dfn
2016-03-18T12:36:05 < jpa-> PeterM: how do you probe DFN/QFN?
2016-03-18T12:36:16 < PeterM> with your probes
2016-03-18T12:36:25 < PeterM> unless you have huge as fuck shit probes
2016-03-18T12:36:48 < jpa-> i mean clipping probes, no-one holds the probe to pin while doing work
2016-03-18T12:37:18 < PeterM> you dont have thin pgogo probes?
2016-03-18T12:37:55 < jpa-> i'm just interested on your setup, i haven't seen an useful QFN probe setup so far
2016-03-18T12:38:17 < jpa-> whereas tqfp you can either use cheap-ass pieces of pcb or fancy micrograbbers, both of which work fine
2016-03-18T12:39:00 < zyp> qfn with bottom pad tends to be harder to route since you can't fit vias under the chip
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2016-03-18T12:39:50 < jpa-> also qfn seems less reliable in manufacturing, though one could probably blame crappy manufacturing processes
2016-03-18T12:40:33 < jpa-> so far i haven't seen any soldering trouble with tqfp, but two work projects have had some 1-5% fails due to QFN shortcircuits with wrong paste amount
2016-03-18T12:41:53 < zyp> yeah, qfn is very sensitive to footprint and paste amount
2016-03-18T12:44:11 < PeterM> i can certainly understand the no vias under chip thing, i dunno why st needs metal slug in bottom qfn
2016-03-18T12:49:21 < dongs> or atmel
2016-03-18T12:49:24 < dongs> or anyone else using qfn
2016-03-18T12:51:54 < PeterM> i understand it for power devices but not micros and digital stuff
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2016-03-18T12:53:04 < dongs> its probably wahtever packaging fab they use
2016-03-18T12:53:13 < dongs> they dont get a choice
2016-03-18T12:53:23 < dongs> same shit like invensense
2016-03-18T12:53:33 < dongs> they evne put a note in datasheet, that center pad must NOT be soldered to
2016-03-18T12:53:44 < dongs> obvious answer would be: dont fucking put it there, rite???
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2016-03-18T13:11:52 < dongs> PEN DRAIN IO
2016-03-18T13:11:57 < dongs> ^ actually in datasheet.
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2016-03-18T13:21:04 < qyx> mhm, actually I like qfn more than tqfp
2016-03-18T13:21:16 < qyx> for hand soldering
2016-03-18T13:21:27 < qyx> it is harder to do solder bridges
2016-03-18T13:21:47 < PeterM> yeah, and its super easy to hot air too
2016-03-18T13:22:01 < qyx> I just use footprints with longer pads
2016-03-18T13:23:41 < PeterM> yeah oyu can do that, but its even easier with hot air
2016-03-18T13:25:39 < jpa-> those QFN's where the pad is not visible at the chip edge are painful, though
2016-03-18T13:27:07 < PeterM> yeah, hence why i hot air, they're super easywith hot air
2016-03-18T13:27:46 < jpa-> how do you align them?
2016-03-18T13:28:02 < zyp> don't they self align?
2016-03-18T13:28:07 < zyp> also chip outline in silk
2016-03-18T13:29:10 < qyx> they do with proper amount of flux
2016-03-18T13:29:53 < qyx> er, but I do hotair without soldering paste
2016-03-18T13:32:01 < PeterM> they self align jsut fine, tion the pads, flux the board, put the qfn down, hot air it, tap it once or twice to make sure all the pads grab and oyu're done
2016-03-18T13:32:18 < dongs> wot
2016-03-18T13:32:21 < dongs> @ qyx
2016-03-18T13:32:30 < dongs> hotair without paste = do you use nasty chinahasl
2016-03-18T13:32:51 < dongs> man i got a chianboard few weeks ago
2016-03-18T13:33:00 < dongs> holy fuck the hasl coating ias nasty on them
2016-03-18T13:33:24 < dongs> its like bumpy as shit and whatever solder it is, its like anti-reacting with my solder paste and making it total shit
2016-03-18T13:33:55 < zyp> haha
2016-03-18T13:34:10 < dongs> awful, awful stuff. i have no idea how MAKE:Rs do it
2016-03-18T13:34:19 < dongs> not touching any chinapcb ever again
2016-03-18T13:34:22 < qyx> dongs: no, HAL + lead solder, I presolder the pads before
2016-03-18T13:34:46 < qyx> apply flux and use hot air
2016-03-18T13:35:00 < PeterM> yeah i tin the pads too
2016-03-18T13:36:53 < jpa-> they self align if you are initially close enough, but with 0.5mm pitch and crappy silks that is not so easy
2016-03-18T13:41:15 < PeterM> i usually dont have an issue with it for qfn, but for bga it is a hassle, so i put allignment mark in copper
2016-03-18T13:42:15 < jpa-> i hate those no-edge-pad qfns, impossible to check for proper soldering
2016-03-18T13:42:19 < jpa-> (without xray)
2016-03-18T13:45:13 < PeterM> for botrototype you can jtag + probe the opposite end
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2016-03-18T13:54:18 < tecdroid> TecLador[IMP]
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2016-03-18T14:06:46 < dongs> another pumper
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2016-03-18T14:33:24 < dongs> My name is Merrilee.
2016-03-18T14:33:24 < dongs> I am thinking that you might be interested in my agnaa dot com since
2016-03-18T14:33:24 < dongs> you do own a related domain name.
2016-03-18T14:33:26 < dongs> Appreciate if you would let me know and thank you for your time,
2016-03-18T14:33:39 < dongs> pretty sure GNAA has nothing to do with agnaa
2016-03-18T14:33:42 < zyp> haha
2016-03-18T14:48:31 < zyp> advanced gnaa
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2016-03-18T14:57:12 < dongs> see what you did, pumper?
2016-03-18T14:57:15 < dongs> made him ragequit
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2016-03-18T15:10:04 < kakimir> why doesn't my lpcexpresso have cmsis core for lpc15
2016-03-18T15:10:06 < kakimir> ?
2016-03-18T15:10:14 < kakimir> is it same core with some other series?
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2016-03-18T15:12:28 < kakimir> I initialize project and pick up cmsis_core_latest.zip
2016-03-18T15:12:34 < kakimir> then I have import windoe
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2016-03-18T15:12:52 < kakimir> it does have everything else but lpc15xx core
2016-03-18T15:15:55 < kakimir> cmsis core is referred in lpcxpresso as "legacy"
2016-03-18T15:16:11 < kakimir> when as their LPCopen is not
2016-03-18T15:17:25 < kakimir> you are very wise crt
2016-03-18T15:22:12 < dongs> incoming freelancer links
2016-03-18T15:24:10 < kakimir> fukken freelancers my email is ruined
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2016-03-18T15:27:31 < kakimir> it should seperate only viable and interesting projects
2016-03-18T15:27:35 < kakimir> to my email feed
2016-03-18T15:27:50 < kakimir> instead it spams all the shit
2016-03-18T15:28:03 < mitrax> everytime i subscribe somewhere i create an alias for it
2016-03-18T15:28:11 < jpa-> put it into separate folder, and if you have a smart email client like gmail you can probably even teach it to sort it somewhat
2016-03-18T15:28:44 < jpa-> like match on SMA
2016-03-18T15:28:59 < dongs> wow
2016-03-18T15:29:05 < dongs> NOTHING useful to link on feelancer.
2016-03-18T15:29:11 < dongs> like not even any funny junk
2016-03-18T15:31:30 < dongs> i wish this fucker would go away https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Mobile-Phone/Application-access-the-change-9978728/
2016-03-18T15:31:36 < dongs> every fuckign day he posts this trash
2016-03-18T15:31:41 < dongs> and it gets deleted or soemthing wahtever
2016-03-18T15:32:32 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Social-Networking/Find-Supplier-9975695/ this gu is back
2016-03-18T15:37:02 < kakimir> mitrax: nice idea
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2016-03-18T15:38:15 < mitrax> kakimir: that way not only i know who's selling the email address but then you can just kill the alias if i get spam on it
2016-03-18T15:38:23 < mitrax> err you can / i can
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2016-03-18T15:39:01 < kakimir> very sweet
2016-03-18T15:39:23 < kakimir> how easy adding aliases to gmail is?
2016-03-18T15:39:38 < mitrax> i don't know, not sure if you can
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2016-03-18T15:40:57 < mitrax> ah
2016-03-18T15:41:10 < mitrax> your.email+someshit@gmail.com will get delivered
2016-03-18T15:41:25 < mitrax> then you can add a filter
2016-03-18T15:42:21 < kakimir> based on being closest to original address?
2016-03-18T15:42:29 < kakimir> that is a bit flimsy
2016-03-18T15:42:33 < jpa-> nah, based on everything after + being ignored
2016-03-18T15:42:46 < kakimir> seriously?
2016-03-18T15:42:53 < jpa-> standard SMTP feature, works on most servers and refused by most ignorant web devs making stupid forms
2016-03-18T15:43:11 < kakimir> what if the service clears that + parts out?
2016-03-18T15:43:18 < jpa-> also some spammers are smart enough to remove it, yeah
2016-03-18T15:43:39 < kakimir> and leaves with kike@gmail.com
2016-03-18T15:44:02 < kakimir> and spam hard to gmail filters
2016-03-18T15:44:16 < kakimir> I rarely see anything come thru those filters
2016-03-18T15:44:31 < jpa-> who would send you email anyway
2016-03-18T15:44:48 < karlp> mitrax: I used to use separate aliaeas for everyone, but what do you do if the company sells your email anyway?
2016-03-18T15:45:53 < kakimir> jpa-: you have a point
2016-03-18T15:46:39 < mitrax> karlp: how do you mean? say you create an alias email_for_site_foo@yourmaildomain.com if you get spam on it you just delete the alias, the point is not to give out the real address
2016-03-18T15:47:12 < zyp> too much work
2016-03-18T15:47:34 < mitrax> bah it takes 5 sec
2016-03-18T15:47:44 < zyp> just use gmail, their filter sorts correctly for >99% of incoming mail
2016-03-18T15:47:45 < jpa-> i use @anything.mail.domain.com, spammers don't know to remove that.. and i have set it up so that all new aliases get through spam filter without check, until i block them
2016-03-18T15:48:00 < jpa-> that way by using aliases, i also make sure that nothing useful gets lost in spam
2016-03-18T15:48:11 < mitrax> hell i don't want to use gmail
2016-03-18T15:48:29 < kakimir> I added alias for my formal email address
2016-03-18T15:48:43 < kakimir> I had to buy it basically to get firstname surname
2016-03-18T15:49:45 < kakimir> 30euros for 2 email aliases and 2 web page aliases
2016-03-18T15:49:50 < kakimir> forever*
2016-03-18T15:50:44 < kakimir> can it be that there is no cmsis for certain mcu series?
2016-03-18T15:50:47 < kakimir> this smells
2016-03-18T15:51:10 < kakimir> usually there is a dialog to choose cmsis driver for project
2016-03-18T15:51:35 < kakimir> but when I selected lpc15 there was only dialog for DSPLIB
2016-03-18T15:51:36 < mitrax> this is the internet where technically everybody can host his own shit and have control over it... but no, everybody put their shit on google
2016-03-18T15:52:05 < kakimir> does all stm32 have cmsis?
2016-03-18T15:52:26 < kakimir> not only the chip you dont care about
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2016-03-18T16:01:28 < kakimir> how can this happen
2016-03-18T16:01:37 < kakimir> this suck
2016-03-18T16:04:15 < ReadError> uhhh
2016-03-18T16:04:16 < ReadError> update it?
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2016-03-18T16:07:37 < kakimir> let's try such
2016-03-18T16:10:26 < kakimir> can you even replace cmsis with anything other thing?
2016-03-18T16:10:36 < kakimir> lib
2016-03-18T16:16:42 < karlp> mitrax: no, I mean the problem is when a company that you need to do business with has lost or sold your email.
2016-03-18T16:16:49 < karlp> you can't jsut toss the emali address.
2016-03-18T16:17:01 < karlp> so, yes, you know the company is imperfect, but... what else can you do?
2016-03-18T16:17:13 < karlp> you just have more email aliases to track and logins to rememebr.
2016-03-18T16:17:30 < karlp> I used to do it, but now I've just moved everything to one email, and let spam filters deal with it.
2016-03-18T16:18:16 < karlp> also, I dind't want to spend my life editing email filters and turning on and off aliases
2016-03-18T16:18:16 < mitrax> karlp: i don't have any login to remember, i have one email and multiple aliases, and sure i can toss an alias if i get spam on it, but as i said i only do it when i subscribe to online stuff
2016-03-18T16:18:32 < artag> if you've used tagged email addresses, you should be able to filter out everything to that address that doesn't come from the company you gave it to
2016-03-18T16:18:37 < karlp> yeah, I mean when you need that alias to login to that online service.
2016-03-18T16:19:08 < mitrax> karlp: oh well it's pretty obvious, i use the service name
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2016-03-18T16:23:26 < mitrax> e.g facesitting.com@mydomain.com
2016-03-18T16:23:52 < mitrax> ack, that site actually exists
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2016-03-18T16:29:50 < kakimir> apparently cmsis core comes in LPCopen project template
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2016-03-18T16:36:04 < Thorn> you can use you+whatever@gmail.com iirc
2016-03-18T16:36:55 < mitrax> Thorn: that's been pointed out above :)
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2016-03-18T16:37:21 < dongs> you can also do
2016-03-18T16:37:34 < dongs> don.gs@gmail do.ngs@gmail d.o.n.g.s@gmail
2016-03-18T16:37:35 < dongs> etc.
2016-03-18T16:38:08 < dongs> for those gay spam sites that dont properly understand +
2016-03-18T16:39:03 < Thorn> yes, many don't
2016-03-18T16:39:37 < PeterM> i just have another entire email for junk, never check it but if i need something i jsut use the search function
2016-03-18T16:39:39 < Thorn> blame php coders who google "email validation regex" and use the first stackoverflow answer that comes up
2016-03-18T16:40:07 < dongs> yea
2016-03-18T16:41:32 < PeterM> oh oyur emailaddress is bgdwiepp,0,0); DROP DATABASE
2016-03-18T16:43:24 < Sync_> properly checking for RFC compliant mails is hardâ„¢
2016-03-18T16:46:14 < dongs> some figure skating liev ins on  at some eurotrash place
2016-03-18T16:47:06 < dongs> in Debrecen, Hungary.
2016-03-18T16:51:09 < kakimir> it was as I said
2016-03-18T16:52:42 < kakimir> cm3 cmsis core has been bundled into lpcopen
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2016-03-18T17:15:29 < lorenzo> http://i.imgur.com/KGxIc.png
2016-03-18T17:16:39 < jpa-> such burgers
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2016-03-18T18:04:02 < kakimir> I wound my burger age black clothes
2016-03-18T18:04:14 < kakimir> I wash them and start wearing them
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2016-03-18T18:19:48 < kakimir> I wonder if it matters which way around I connect headphone driver coils as long as those are symmetrically connected
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2016-03-18T18:28:02 < kakimir> almost had another side wrong way around
2016-03-18T18:28:42 < kakimir> because same driver is mounted 180degrees compared to another one you need to cross wires
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2016-03-18T18:54:35 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/PJryRq7.jpg
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2016-03-18T19:03:51 < kakimir> I wonder if there is some hot snot gun that outputs literally burning hot glue
2016-03-18T19:04:19 < kakimir> that melts into things and is really liquid
2016-03-18T19:04:46 < englishman> here you go innovimir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NZOQjOgPiY
2016-03-18T19:05:19 < kakimir> 3d cucking
2016-03-18T19:08:15 < kakimir> hmm haedphone fix done
2016-03-18T19:08:23 < kakimir> I need to change right and left
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2016-03-18T19:09:11 < kakimir> I wont solder anything anymore
2016-03-18T19:09:21 < kakimir> just flip headphones
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2016-03-18T21:05:55 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQWZRZlNwM2dxMTQ/view?usp=sharing repairs/improvements
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2016-03-18T21:07:23 < Laurenceb_> Fritzl tech
2016-03-18T21:08:06 < kakimir> I made these headphones effectivelly k701->k702
2016-03-18T21:14:57 < Laurenceb_> eek sexist http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/16/11246488/ula-brett-tobey-tory-bruno-sexist-comments-blue-origin-aerojet-rocketdyne
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2016-03-18T21:19:43 < ohsix> jadew: you're supposed to keep the elfs/healers in the back
2016-03-18T21:25:14 < jadew> ohsix, haha
2016-03-18T21:26:12 < ohsix> which might also be sexist but it's the genre yay
2016-03-18T21:27:58 < Laurenceb_> elf is sexist because <reasons>
2016-03-18T21:30:54 < Steffanx> Aren't you i need of help Laurenceb_? You are nicer when you are in need of help.
2016-03-18T21:34:02 < Steffanx> *friendlier.
2016-03-18T21:34:16 < Steffanx> Qt thing done yet?
2016-03-18T21:36:34 < kakimir> Laurenceb - triggered
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2016-03-18T22:00:08 < Laurenceb_> not a chance
2016-03-18T22:00:12 < Laurenceb_> still raging at Qt
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2016-03-18T22:08:24 < la> http://oortr.com/ZjllYz
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2016-03-18T23:19:17 < kakimir> is there vertical miniusbs?
2016-03-18T23:20:00 < kakimir> nice
2016-03-18T23:20:20 < kakimir> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/314/854/362/362854314_329.jpg
2016-03-18T23:25:34 < kakimir> it's the absolute maximum area possible for such connector I wont even touch
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2016-03-18T23:25:37 < kakimir> looks enought solid for someone doing some config tricks with temporally connection to it
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2016-03-18T23:37:55 < Laurenceb_> lol Qt forum adverts for jobs at GCHQ
2016-03-18T23:38:11 < Laurenceb_> they must be writing a G.U.I. to track I.P. addresses
2016-03-18T23:38:57 < Laurenceb_> or maybe they got really ambitious and are planning to browse I.R.C.
2016-03-18T23:39:52 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ all done with Qt
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2016-03-18T23:51:39 < kakimir> I'm sorry to hurt your feelings but I change to infineon mcu in this project
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2016-03-18T23:55:14 < Steffanx> Hi kakimir :D
2016-03-18T23:56:31 < kakimir> hi
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2016-03-19T00:02:04 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMWFpTDNzQmZKRnc/view?usp=sharing hmm so fun
2016-03-19T00:02:55 < kakimir> so confusing to have stuff like this
2016-03-19T00:11:12 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0FTAY8ftgQ nice dong flier
2016-03-19T00:11:30 < Lux> kakimir: why are you even considering that xmc stuff ?
2016-03-19T00:11:35 < Lux> or just trolling ?
2016-03-19T00:12:14 < kakimir> smallest ethernet mcu around that 5usd/1k
2016-03-19T00:12:20 < kakimir> 64pin
2016-03-19T00:12:42 < Lux> but their software sucks really bad imo
2016-03-19T00:16:21 < kakimir> what software?
2016-03-19T00:16:30 < Lux> dave
2016-03-19T00:16:34 < Lux> there isn't much else
2016-03-19T00:16:35 < kakimir> I didn't know you need their software
2016-03-19T00:16:51 < Lux> there is no stdlib like for stm32
2016-03-19T00:16:58 < Lux> at least no where as extensive
2016-03-19T00:18:24 < Lux> sure, if you want to do register level coding you don't need it ;)
2016-03-19T00:20:36 < Laurenceb_> how do I check if two c++ lists are identical?
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2016-03-19T00:27:13 < Steffanx> Qlist => a == b :)
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2016-03-19T00:30:40 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2016-03-19T00:31:02 < Laurenceb_> /opt/Qt/5.5/gcc/include/QtCore/qlist.h:816: error: no match for 'operator==' in 'i->QList<T>::Node::t [with T = QSerialPortInfo]() == li->QList<T>::Node::t [with T = QSerialPortInfo]()'
2016-03-19T00:31:24 < Laurenceb_> I'm comparing types:
2016-03-19T00:31:26 < Laurenceb_> QList<QSerialPortInfo> serialPortInfoList_ = QSerialPortInfo::availablePorts();
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2016-03-19T00:32:24 < Steffanx> i guess there is no == operator for QSerialPortInfo
2016-03-19T00:32:39 < Laurenceb_> ok I sort of understand
2016-03-19T00:32:52 < Laurenceb_> so what if I just compare port names as a string list?
2016-03-19T00:33:45 < Steffanx> why you wnat to compare those lists?
2016-03-19T00:34:10 < Laurenceb_> do see if anything important has changed with the port ocnfig
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2016-03-19T00:34:18 < Laurenceb_> like a device being removed or added
2016-03-19T00:34:43 < kakimir> Lux: but sure there must be some
2016-03-19T00:35:07 < Laurenceb_> need to have a loop that goes through a populates a big string with all the port info?
2016-03-19T00:37:51 < Steffanx> uh what?
2016-03-19T00:39:12 < kakimir> stoned
2016-03-19T00:39:44 < Lux> kakimir: there is XMCâ„¢ Lib
2016-03-19T00:39:58 < Lux> seems more complete now than the last time i looked at it
2016-03-19T00:40:03 < Laurenceb_> yay it works :D
2016-03-19T00:40:37 < Laurenceb_> 	foreach(const QSerialPortInfo &serialPortInfo, serialPortInfoList) {		portstring.append(serialPortInfo.portName());	}
2016-03-19T00:41:27 < Laurenceb_> I should probably put a sort in there, but if the order of the ports changes something has probably changed with the available devices
2016-03-19T00:41:58 < kakimir> Lux: http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/microcontroller/32-bit-industrial-microcontroller-based-on-arm-registered-cortex-registered-m/xmc-development-tools-software-tools-and-partner/software-downloads/channel.html?channel=db3a30433b47825b013b4b9e224a0de6 there is this CMSIS pack
2016-03-19T00:42:09 < kakimir> CMSIS PACK XMC4000
2016-03-19T00:42:24 < Steffanx> lol building a string and comparing that Laurenceb_?
2016-03-19T00:42:26 < Laurenceb_> infineon arm, interesting
2016-03-19T00:42:31 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: yup
2016-03-19T00:42:39 < Steffanx> Pro++
2016-03-19T00:42:43 < kakimir> infineon = ex siemens
2016-03-19T00:42:44 < Lux> kakimir: ah ok you use keil
2016-03-19T00:42:54 < Laurenceb_> just stick all the port names on a string
2016-03-19T00:42:56 < kakimir> I dont
2016-03-19T00:43:25 < Lux> but cmsis pack is for keil
2016-03-19T00:43:28 < kakimir> you can import stuff from that pack to multiple different tools
2016-03-19T00:46:21 < Lux> i didn't get that
2016-03-19T00:46:25 < Lux> looks useable
2016-03-19T00:46:41 < Laurenceb_> why is it better than F4?
2016-03-19T00:46:49 < Lux> the peripherals are better
2016-03-19T00:46:54 < Laurenceb_> looks worse in every aspect to me, apart from the delta sigma thing
2016-03-19T00:47:02 < Laurenceb_> like which ones?!
2016-03-19T00:47:14 < Lux> otherwise a downside is no bootloader rom like stm32
2016-03-19T00:47:30 < Lux> you can do more with the serial stuff etc
2016-03-19T00:47:31 < kakimir> ethernet on 64pin pack
2016-03-19T00:47:49 < kakimir> and does F4 run 200Mhz?
2016-03-19T00:48:18 < Steffanx> Almost.
2016-03-19T00:48:22 < Lux> 180
2016-03-19T00:48:31 < Steffanx> but i bet i can do 200
2016-03-19T00:48:55 < kakimir> there is high propability
2016-03-19T00:49:02 < kakimir> how about mem figures
2016-03-19T00:49:07 < kakimir> 80 and 512
2016-03-19T00:49:11 < kakimir> kB
2016-03-19T00:49:14 < Laurenceb_> I don't see any advantages
2016-03-19T00:49:58 < kakimir> wait
2016-03-19T00:50:18 < kakimir> I already have 64pin stm32
2016-03-19T00:50:23 < kakimir> with ethernet
2016-03-19T00:50:36 < kakimir> Iäm seriously stoned
2016-03-19T00:50:41 < Lux> heh
2016-03-19T00:51:28 < Laurenceb_> i was going to say
2016-03-19T00:51:43 < kakimir> It's in my schematic already
2016-03-19T00:52:02 < kakimir> and I started looking for something ele
2016-03-19T00:53:05 < kakimir> I had this idea in my head it was 80pin
2016-03-19T00:57:38 < kakimir> I have this thing I can do layout and schematics for 4-5days and then I become stoned
2016-03-19T00:57:58 < kakimir> just drifting
2016-03-19T01:13:03 < Steffanx> fresh air time kakimir
2016-03-19T01:13:27 < kakimir> especially when there is lot of changes on the fly and task is challenging and there is this sensation of urgency
2016-03-19T01:19:04 < kakimir> nobody pays me to have that
2016-03-19T01:31:52 < kakimir> #stm32-therapy
2016-03-19T01:32:25 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/445/651005136421-537802.pdf I wonder if that can take any force at all
2016-03-19T01:34:20 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-pcs-Mini-USB-Type-B-Female-5-Pin-DIP-2-pin-Vertical-Leg-PCB-Socket-Connector-/141787599373 ultimate winner by price
2016-03-19T01:34:42 < dongs> WORST
2016-03-19T01:35:42 < kakimir> würsth!
2016-03-19T01:36:27 < kakimir> I can imagine how that becomes loose instantly when any force of even vibration is applied
2016-03-19T01:37:16 < dongs> you won't get to that point
2016-03-19T01:37:53 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFw6JW_A5XU cat hates tigers
2016-03-19T01:38:05 < kakimir> dongs: what are you implying?
2016-03-19T01:38:48 < dongs> you are concerned about things that will have no immediate or long-term effect on you.
2016-03-19T01:38:52 < dongs> another words, assburgering
2016-03-19T01:39:43 < kakimir> hhmmm
2016-03-19T01:40:07 < kakimir> at least I'm in constructive thinking mode
2016-03-19T01:40:15 < kakimir> not totally stoned assburgering
2016-03-19T01:47:27 < ohsix> this guy
2016-03-19T02:01:20 < kakimir> dongs: how is your day?
2016-03-19T02:04:32 < kakimir> is there any cool way to device without reference to measure it's own supply voltage?
2016-03-19T02:04:45 < kakimir> device = some stm32
2016-03-19T02:06:28 < kakimir> have some RC with zener and measure time when it levels out?
2016-03-19T02:19:09 < jadew> I finished writing a header file that completely screws up visual assist
2016-03-19T02:19:32 < jadew> whenever I open it and try to write something everything stops working properly, I can't type ,
2016-03-19T02:19:42 < jadew> auto correct overwrites shit
2016-03-19T02:19:48 < jadew> the file saves, but it doesn't
2016-03-19T02:20:19 < jadew> had to write it with out pretty colors
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2016-03-19T03:07:56 < kakimir> hmm..yes
2016-03-19T03:33:50 < Laurenceb_> this is kind of cool
2016-03-19T03:33:52 < Laurenceb_> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Culberson+County,+TX,+USA/@31.8914544,-104.8607623,3a,79.7y,-126.57h,81.38t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s-AlwPrDOBIxoskq4-bvLaw!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x86e5ba7b636263d5:0x252b46deca84e0e9
2016-03-19T03:36:57 < kakimir> what is this njtrst
2016-03-19T03:37:00 < kakimir> pin
2016-03-19T03:37:03 < dongs> whats a general DO214AA schottky
2016-03-19T03:37:11 < dongs> kakimir: jtag reset
2016-03-19T03:37:20 < kakimir> do I need to care about it?
2016-03-19T03:37:23 < dongs> no
2016-03-19T03:37:39 < kakimir> I use swd
2016-03-19T03:38:53 < dongs> 214-aa version of B140-13-F
2016-03-19T03:39:59 < dongs> B240-13-F it is.
2016-03-19T03:47:09 < kakimir> there is this pin MCO
2016-03-19T03:47:28 < kakimir> there is PPS_OUT
2016-03-19T03:47:47 < kakimir> both claim to provide clock for ethernets
2016-03-19T03:48:55 < kakimir> hmm or what
2016-03-19T03:49:12 < kakimir> PPS would say 1 per second
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2016-03-19T03:53:04 < kakimir> almost had whoopsie ther
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2016-03-19T03:58:31 < dongs> http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2016/02/18/Japan-police-arrest-Tokyo-businessman-for-North-Korea-trade/1961455817228/ RIP
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2016-03-19T04:05:01 < Laurenceb_> anyone here used Qserialport?
2016-03-19T04:05:15 < Laurenceb_> its confusing me, not sure how to handle disconnection (error 9)
2016-03-19T04:05:26 < Laurenceb_> atm I'm not doing anything, which seems to work ok
2016-03-19T04:05:56 < Laurenceb_> but if the device disconnects, I get an error 9 on disconnect, then when I try to connect from GUI it gives error 9 then connectes ok
2016-03-19T04:05:59 < Laurenceb_> weird
2016-03-19T04:08:32 < kakimir> you can google anything about stm32 and you find pages full of mumble
2016-03-19T04:08:59 < ohsix> what's mumble
2016-03-19T04:11:12 < kakimir> idunno
2016-03-19T04:11:21 < kakimir> sleep>
2016-03-19T04:22:50 < dongs> http://www.sunnyqi.com/upLoad/product/month_1308/AZ1045-04FRTG.pdf haha
2016-03-19T04:22:55 < dongs> amazing microelectronic corp
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2016-03-19T04:34:20 < dongs> hmm, that part is cheaper than RCLAMP0524P.TCT
2016-03-19T04:38:12 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/need-someone-write-grant-proposal/
2016-03-19T04:38:16 < dongs> ...
2016-03-19T04:38:39 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/Phone-like-PCB-design-for/ Laurenceb_ BEEP
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2016-03-19T04:39:55 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-03-19T04:39:59 < dongs> lol
2016-03-19T04:40:04 < Laurenceb_> no LTE on mine tho lol
2016-03-19T04:40:23 < dongs> ur getting outsourced
2016-03-19T04:40:24 < Laurenceb_> lol the budget
2016-03-19T04:40:27 < Laurenceb_> nope
2016-03-19T04:40:39 < dongs> ya the budget is hilarious
2016-03-19T04:40:47 < Laurenceb_> my budget is 2 orders of mag larger
2016-03-19T04:43:11 < dongs> its like
2016-03-19T04:43:16 < dongs> RF, FCC, LTE
2016-03-19T04:43:20 < dongs> > 750 budget
2016-03-19T04:43:23 < dongs> fuuuuck off.
2016-03-19T04:44:51 < Laurenceb_> this stuff takes a lot of money to develop
2016-03-19T04:44:53 < Laurenceb_> http://www.monicahealthcare.com/products/labour-and-delivery/monica-novii-wireless-patch-system
2016-03-19T04:45:01 < Laurenceb_> this cost ~ UKP25M
2016-03-19T04:45:23 < Laurenceb_> http://www.monicahealthcare.com/Monica_Healthcare/media/Monica/Products/wet-pod-800x800.png?ext=.png
2016-03-19T04:45:35 < Laurenceb_> still not ready - check out the electrode bleed
2016-03-19T04:45:55 < Laurenceb_> http://www.monicahealthcare.com/Monica_Healthcare/media/Monica/Products/novii_corometrics_products_redarrow.jpg?ext=.jpg
2016-03-19T04:46:09 < Laurenceb_> that thing is the foreground is nothing to do with their product
2016-03-19T04:46:17 < Laurenceb_> background is a rendering
2016-03-19T04:47:51 < Laurenceb_> that thing always makes me lol
2016-03-19T04:48:25 < Laurenceb_> someone thought it'd be a good idea to use ~200µm thick PET and screen printed "conductive" ink for the "PCB"
2016-03-19T04:49:05 < Laurenceb_> its a complete disaster and cuts the skin before cracking
2016-03-19T04:50:35 < Laurenceb_> of course the subcontractors who came up with the retarded design got all their money in advance
2016-03-19T04:50:41 < Laurenceb_> trolld hard
2016-03-19T04:50:48 < dongs> kinda like wat youre doing now right??
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2016-03-19T04:51:09 < dongs> any progress on the AiDS1892?
2016-03-19T04:51:19 < Laurenceb_> yup, only my designs dont suck
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2016-03-19T04:51:29 < dongs> 1298
2016-03-19T04:51:45 < Laurenceb_> AiDS1298 driver is written
2016-03-19T04:52:12 < Laurenceb_> havent fully tested it, working on G.U.I. to track the ip address
2016-03-19T04:52:28 < dongs> oh that QT garbage?
2016-03-19T04:52:32 < Laurenceb_> yup
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2016-03-19T04:59:04 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/K3SLTF8
2016-03-19T04:59:32 < dongs> lunix gui
2016-03-19T05:01:13 < Laurenceb_> glitches are from the screenshot
2016-03-19T05:05:09 < Laurenceb_> my c++ sucks still
2016-03-19T05:05:44 < Laurenceb_> I've got my serial driver pretty much sorted, it writes to a Qt buffer
2016-03-19T05:05:59 < Laurenceb_> dunno how to access the buffer from the graph...
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2016-03-19T05:09:53 < Laurenceb_> oh maybe that whole idea is retarded
2016-03-19T05:10:11 < Laurenceb_> maybe I need character get and add functions in the serial driver class?
2016-03-19T05:10:29 < upgrdman> i wish i saw something half as eventful on the subway as this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z84STbSvI54
2016-03-19T05:13:53 < Laurenceb_> or just a global pointer lol
2016-03-19T05:14:05 < Laurenceb_> QByteArray* Buffer;  	Buffer=&(the_port->buffer);
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2016-03-19T05:15:12 < Laurenceb_> inb4 c++ guru rage
2016-03-19T05:15:23 < Laurenceb_> i dont care biatch
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2016-03-19T05:25:48 < Laurenceb_> I guess the pro way would be some sort of inheritance via main window
2016-03-19T05:39:07 < Laurenceb_> heh I find it too pretentious
2016-03-19T05:39:33 < Laurenceb_> hmf I cant find any "bytes in tx buffer" function for Qserialport :-/
2016-03-19T05:42:01 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.qt.io/topic/59692/qserialport-hardwarecontrol-do-i-get-this-rigth/5
2016-03-19T05:42:16 < Laurenceb_> I could do that and slit it into tiny writes.. even single byte
2016-03-19T05:42:26 < Laurenceb_> but thats going to be really slow due to OS overhead
2016-03-19T05:48:58 < dongs> QTY:18944 PCS; D/C:NEW
2016-03-19T05:49:02 < dongs> looks legit
2016-03-19T05:50:53 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/E1MXGmu.gifv
2016-03-19T05:57:38 < ohsix> hey uh there's a press release from st about lunix in electronic design
2016-03-19T05:58:05 < ohsix> 'stmicroelectronics is extending opportunities to design free of charge with its stm32 mcus for linux system users, including professional engineers, academics, and hobbyists'
2016-03-19T05:58:37 < ohsix> cube and stuff already ran on linux, i guess they have an installer or some supported thing now
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2016-03-19T06:18:23 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/fQUuWn0.png
2016-03-19T06:18:31 < ReadError> best chrome extension I added in forever
2016-03-19T06:18:35 < ReadError> check it out ohsix
2016-03-19T06:19:55 < ohsix> ya i saw you mention it
2016-03-19T06:20:30 < ohsix> when i'm using the big computer and youtub it has a top corner, and i work with 2 up; most other stuff is on tablet/phone
2016-03-19T06:21:07 < ohsix> only thing that suxxx is the youtube app, really; no speed change option
2016-03-19T06:21:25 < ReadError> oh i never change the speed anyways
2016-03-19T06:21:40 < ReadError> wait
2016-03-19T06:21:41 < ReadError> there is
2016-03-19T06:21:45 < ReadError> you hit the gear
2016-03-19T06:21:48 < ReadError> then speed
2016-03-19T06:22:26 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/ZWuJQke.png
2016-03-19T06:23:05 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-19T06:23:20 < ohsix> picked up the habit with pudcasts
2016-03-19T06:23:45 < ohsix> presentations are extra slow, usually, too; you can listen at more than 1.5 speed and still hear everything
2016-03-19T06:24:06 < ReadError> does it make the pitch retarded?
2016-03-19T06:24:16 < ohsix> my watch later list is so bloated with presentations, i don't spend much time on the big computer
2016-03-19T06:24:17 < ohsix> nope
2016-03-19T06:42:42 < ohsix> Pokémon Company artist and designer killed in accident
2016-03-19T06:42:43 < ohsix> :<
2016-03-19T06:42:52 < ohsix> only 42, no pokemans fan but that sux
2016-03-19T06:45:29 < Laurenceb_> what http://9to5mac.com/2016/03/18/os-x-versus-linux-developers/
2016-03-19T06:45:37 < Laurenceb_> who uses those languages
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2016-03-19T06:51:23 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: dat 'primary os' qualification
2016-03-19T06:51:24 < ohsix> hahaha
2016-03-19T06:51:58 < ohsix> also if you don't break up win10/8 it's more than all of them
2016-03-19T06:52:58 < ohsix> ther'es a lot of wank in that wanted/dreaded list, of the stackoverflow only variety
2016-03-19T06:53:46 < ohsix> http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#developer-profile-programmers-engineers-and-developers 10% ninjas
2016-03-19T06:57:07 < Laurenceb_> I wonder if anything useful has ever been written in ruby
2016-03-19T06:58:28 < Laurenceb_> grr theres nothing for it
2016-03-19T06:58:58 < Laurenceb_> unless I'm going to let my code turn into global ridden bugfest I'll have to do inheritance via the main window
2016-03-19T06:59:14 < Laurenceb_> presumably this is how gui stuff is usually done..
2016-03-19T06:59:42 < ohsix> there are singletons which are usually globals but less bad
2016-03-19T06:59:57 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah
2016-03-19T07:00:10 < ohsix> you either have them at global scope or some defined scope and it returns the same value for a given key (key might just be the instance name)
2016-03-19T07:10:41 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-03-19T07:10:43  * Laurenceb_ zzz
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2016-03-19T07:16:19 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/High-Altitude-High-Range-Remote-9984531/
2016-03-19T07:16:22 < dongs> haha
2016-03-19T07:16:24 < dongs> they're getting desperate
2016-03-19T07:16:39 < dongs> now its $50/hr
2016-03-19T07:16:49 < dongs> soon they will be able to afford Laurenceb
2016-03-19T07:42:36 < PeterM> [15:45] <Laurenceb_> what http://9to5mac.com/2016/03/18/os-x-versus-linux-developers/
2016-03-19T07:42:39 < PeterM> why do they even care
2016-03-19T07:42:52 < PeterM> it's liek saying more peole choose aids over ebola
2016-03-19T07:45:22 < jadew> that's a shitty chart
2016-03-19T07:46:04 < jadew> probably made by an apple fanboy
2016-03-19T07:46:20 < jadew> it can be summed up to:
2016-03-19T07:46:21 < jadew> windows: 52.2
2016-03-19T07:46:35 < jadew> os x: 26.2
2016-03-19T07:46:42 < jadew> linux: 21.7
2016-03-19T07:47:41 < jadew> why would they split it like that?
2016-03-19T07:47:52 < jadew> it's not like they did the same for OS X and linux
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2016-03-19T08:23:38 < dongs> haha
2016-03-19T08:23:43 < dongs> waht a fucking faggotly skewed graph
2016-03-19T08:24:04 < dongs> windows is like > 50%
2016-03-19T08:24:13 < dongs> but tehy split it into 3 graphs to make it look insignificant
2016-03-19T08:24:41 < dongs> Rusa? haha.
2016-03-19T08:24:42 < dongs> er Rust
2016-03-19T08:24:47 < dongs> what a fucking joke
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2016-03-19T08:47:15 < dongs> hm
2016-03-19T08:47:29 < dongs> anchorchips/cypress used designware dw8051 in the ez-usb/fx2 stuff
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2016-03-19T15:46:22 < kakimir> hmm cr2032 gives over 10years with rtc clock
2016-03-19T15:46:30 < kakimir> not bad
2016-03-19T15:46:44 < kakimir> maybe it makes sense not to do anything more complex
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2016-03-19T15:49:15 < kakimir> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G137508214939 interesting looking thing
2016-03-19T15:49:37 < ReadError> uh
2016-03-19T15:49:40 < ReadError> its a battery
2016-03-19T15:49:48 < ReadError> with some strips/wire soldered on
2016-03-19T15:50:00 < kakimir> looks dirty
2016-03-19T15:50:15 < kakimir> propably can come appart
2016-03-19T15:51:23 < ReadError> yawn
2016-03-19T15:51:42 < ReadError> yea because it should totally be mounted where it can move around and be stressed
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2016-03-19T15:57:30 < PeterM> probably should spot weld instead of sodler
2016-03-19T15:57:34 < PeterM> sodler even
2016-03-19T15:57:38 < PeterM> soyou dont fuck the battery
2016-03-19T15:58:08 < kakimir> how you spot weld stuff like that?
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2016-03-19T15:58:45 < kakimir> have big electrode to cover the surrounding area?
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2016-03-19T16:00:02 < kakimir> I wonder about spot welding of 18650 tabs
2016-03-19T16:00:12 < kakimir> when you have the positive terminal
2016-03-19T16:00:17 < kakimir> it's not that big
2016-03-19T16:00:36 < kakimir> you spot weld with 2 electrodes at once?
2016-03-19T16:02:04 < kakimir> molex webpage is such a crap
2016-03-19T16:02:36 < kakimir> no thumbnails.. everything looks awkward.. documents do not open
2016-03-19T16:05:07 < kakimir> what is weird you need to have adblock dissabled to download any documents.. not totally uncommon but I don't really trust services that do not give direct link to their stuff
2016-03-19T16:05:35 < kakimir> they want to "manage" it
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2016-03-19T16:52:28 < jpa-> https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/l/t1.0-0/s480x480/12512505_982547988504729_6636099031335479356_n.jpg?oh=a44b036eb83c6eb3efebebf7eec2b332&oe=578B0C24
2016-03-19T16:56:18 < kakimir> the only allowed space for skin contact
2016-03-19T16:56:39 < kakimir> but remember if sauna is empty you need to take opposite sides
2016-03-19T16:58:14 < kakimir> isn't that reset pin in cortex connector for por reset?
2016-03-19T17:03:25 < Steffanx> sexy and true jpa-?
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2016-03-19T17:12:40 < jpa-> Steffanx: not sure about sexy when you're not there, but true
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2016-03-19T17:13:28 < jpa-> kakimir: i don't think there is a pin that can do POR reset
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2016-03-19T17:25:42 < kakimir> or what ever chip reset it is
2016-03-19T17:25:48 < kakimir> the reset
2016-03-19T17:26:27 < kakimir> is there seperate reset for when reset pin is released?
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2016-03-19T17:45:44 < kakimir> is there even discrimination between
2016-03-19T17:46:27 < ReadError> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-LRdgDMPKg9k/VtnswmCwCDI/AAAAAAAAaz8/fpApIP59m1EvJvFGy_4d2S3H2oPy09C5A/w660-h866-no/pqK85Zg.jpg
2016-03-19T17:46:29 < ReadError> hahhaa
2016-03-19T17:47:34 < Lux> is that a real thing ? or just some fake cover
2016-03-19T17:48:05 < mitrax> come on that's a joke :)
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2016-03-19T17:48:08 < Lux> seems real: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29437996-copying-and-pasting-from-stack-overflow
2016-03-19T17:48:30 < Lux> or nope
2016-03-19T17:48:39 < Lux> would have been cool tough :)
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2016-03-19T18:33:19 < Laurenceb_> muh schoolwork http://imgur.com/tvFVfJh
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2016-03-19T19:05:35 < ohsix> dongs: new episode of best of the worst
2016-03-19T19:06:21 < ohsix> the movies weren't as fun as some of them
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2016-03-19T19:11:53 < ohsix> http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5990/serverfault-mods-on-a-higher-horse-than-stackoverflow-closing-questions
2016-03-19T19:12:04 < ohsix> so pro
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2016-03-19T19:13:23 < Laurenceb_> anyone here used the cp2102?
2016-03-19T19:13:39 < Laurenceb_> from the datasheet it seems to have eeprom for config data?
2016-03-19T19:13:55 < Laurenceb_> wondering if anyone has used it - I want to set custom manufacturer etc data
2016-03-19T19:16:42 < Laurenceb_> oh there is a windozer tool
2016-03-19T19:16:47 < Laurenceb_> I fail at reading
2016-03-19T19:16:50 < Laurenceb_> thats very pro
2016-03-19T19:16:54 < Laurenceb_> FTDI pwnd
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2016-03-19T19:18:19 < mitrax> beware it's a one time programming thing :)
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2016-03-19T19:19:14 < Laurenceb_> only on cp2109?
2016-03-19T19:19:28 < mitrax> dunno i'm reading https://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/AN721.pdf page 6
2016-03-19T19:20:08 < XTL> I've only used ready modules. Like them.
2016-03-19T19:21:51 < ReadError> sites that dont let you use the back button should be illegal
2016-03-19T19:22:46 < Laurenceb_> wow it can do tons of shit
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2016-03-19T19:23:10 < Laurenceb_> epic
2016-03-19T19:23:18 < Laurenceb_> thanks for the link
2016-03-19T19:23:28 < mitrax> np
2016-03-19T19:24:02 < Laurenceb_> in 2102/2109 datasheet is says 2102 has eeprom and 2109 otp
2016-03-19T19:24:24 < mitrax> ah ok
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2016-03-19T19:51:01 < Steffanx> since when ftdi does not have such tool Laurenceb_?
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2016-03-19T19:55:22 < Steffanx> I was just wondering about the "pwnd" part. Pwnd because of what fanciness?
2016-03-19T19:56:32 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKVlJEYXV0eDdHWFU/view?usp=sharing my autism is getting on
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2016-03-19T19:57:14 < kakimir> now I need to also create groups
2016-03-19T19:58:35 < Steffanx> You autism lets those GND0&1 be drawn over each other?
2016-03-19T19:59:30 < kakimir> good point
2016-03-19T19:59:31 < Steffanx> Also is that kickad being semi-buggy? Many of those test pins have a gap between the pin and the wire.
2016-03-19T19:59:35 < ohsix> http://wavepot.com/
2016-03-19T20:00:19 < kakimir> Steffanx: it's the fukken rendering engine of this shiet
2016-03-19T20:00:26 < kakimir> it's what you get
2016-03-19T20:00:42 < kakimir> and what you take
2016-03-19T20:01:06 < Steffanx> That's actually not too bad ohsix.
2016-03-19T20:01:29 < Steffanx> Or is "whaa fuck Javascript" the only correct response to this?
2016-03-19T20:02:26 < ohsix> nah it's neat
2016-03-19T20:02:39 < ohsix> looking for music books, finding random links
2016-03-19T20:02:46 < Steffanx> music books?
2016-03-19T20:03:25 < ohsix> yea, some mit press books that i didn't have any luck finding a few years ago
2016-03-19T20:03:50 < Steffanx> but .. what kind of music books
2016-03-19T20:03:57 < ohsix> o
2016-03-19T20:04:20 < Steffanx> Something even the russian genesis library does not have? Must be very obscure then.
2016-03-19T20:04:25 < ohsix> all sorts and none in particular, mostly related to programming; gonna get music-music books next time i'm at the library, sheet music or whatever
2016-03-19T20:04:41 < ohsix> well, they have some https://mitpress.mit.edu/disciplines/computer-science-and-intelligent-systems/computer-music
2016-03-19T20:06:38 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5ftsTVwTfs crazy japanise not afraid of death
2016-03-19T20:07:02 < kakimir> also money
2016-03-19T20:07:32 < ohsix> it's not too pressing or anything, just idly looking for crap
2016-03-19T20:08:04 < Steffanx> Not sure what i should expect from music books. Except sheet music etc.
2016-03-19T20:10:22 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-19T20:10:45 < ohsix> 'music with computers' still has an experimental side to it, rather than just doing music _with_ a computer
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2016-03-19T20:21:26 < Steffanx> https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/safebrowsing/diagnostic/index.html?hl=nl#url=http://www.linuxforums.org/ lol.
2016-03-19T20:23:53 < kakimir> should I really switch power to 12volt fan with sot23 fet
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2016-03-19T20:26:37 < kakimir> in case of 3amps of current there is 0.6W of heat produced
2016-03-19T20:27:36 < kakimir> totally unlikely 3amps but the buck outputs 3amps
2016-03-19T20:27:37 < Getty> seeing this is kinda scary: http://i.imgur.com/E56AnfJ.webm i dont know why.....
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2016-03-19T20:28:18 < kakimir> AI writing love letters
2016-03-19T20:28:58 < Getty> or signing contracts ;)
2016-03-19T20:29:26 < kakimir> could you do business interactions without ever face2face?
2016-03-19T20:29:31 < kakimir> anyone
2016-03-19T20:29:53 < mitrax> what do you mean by business interaction?
2016-03-19T20:30:13 < kakimir> doing deals
2016-03-19T20:30:23 < Getty> well i think the outside elements should be also relevant
2016-03-19T20:30:41 < Getty> like in germany the contract is mostly really just signing and there are (not in the areas i ever worked with) any kind of bigger security
2016-03-19T20:30:53 < kakimir> nether here
2016-03-19T20:31:10 < Getty> on the other hand, german contracts are invalid if its like a bad one, so its like impossible to sneak in a destructive contract to someone cause he blindly signed it
2016-03-19T20:31:22 < kakimir> of course
2016-03-19T20:31:22 < Getty> its like, the "we own your soul" contract scam doesnt work in germany
2016-03-19T20:31:37 < Getty> and we talk about a wide wide wide range of bad contracts
2016-03-19T20:32:14 < Getty> so i dont know if the signing stuff will ever be solved bigger
2016-03-19T20:32:36 < Getty> its anyway too funny these days... if "one person" signs a contract that is relevant for company that owns billions and has hundred thousands of employees
2016-03-19T20:33:43 < kakimir> he or she has mandate
2016-03-19T20:33:59 < Getty> yeah sure, thats like the result of the tradition of business being made 1:1
2016-03-19T20:35:25 < Getty> its like also misused with people signing contracts for the company and then protecting themself behind the company
2016-03-19T20:36:10 < Getty> "yeah sure i signed this contract where we buy workers time for 15 cent / hour, and i had no idea that it is about bad working environment, how should i know???? thats not my job"
2016-03-19T20:36:35 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Diodes-Incorporated/DMP3028LFDE-7/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMshyDBzk1%2fWiyGodRNn0Lc8hmYV4yQS1AY%3d interesting pack
2016-03-19T20:36:50 < kakimir> seems like an alternative to sot23
2016-03-19T20:37:00 < kakimir> handles at least a watt of power
2016-03-19T20:38:00 < ohsix> https://youtu.be/4IOJz_hoIKM?t=260
2016-03-19T20:38:39 < kakimir> thermal resistance a half
2016-03-19T20:39:06 < kakimir> hmm
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2016-03-19T21:27:51 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BgiTXEiNcI matthias really pandering now, to youtube, with fire
2016-03-19T21:29:40 < jpa-> doesn't look dangerous enough
2016-03-19T21:30:12 < ReadError> ohsix lolll
2016-03-19T21:30:16 < ReadError> broad city
2016-03-19T21:30:19 < ReadError> gif vs jif
2016-03-19T21:30:31 < ohsix> that whole scene was funny
2016-03-19T21:30:46 < ohsix> there was a person in a wheel chair falling down the stairs for like a whole minute
2016-03-19T21:31:02 < ReadError> haha
2016-03-19T21:31:07 < ReadError> had to rewind
2016-03-19T21:31:11 < ReadError> didnt notice
2016-03-19T21:31:13 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-19T21:31:23 < ohsix> didn't you wonder why it was framed like that and it went on so long ;D
2016-03-19T21:32:23 < ohsix> playing https://georgebatch.itch.io/hot-date
2016-03-19T21:32:36 < ReadError> banging a jockey
2016-03-19T21:32:38 < ReadError> so gross
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2016-03-19T21:37:31 < ohsix> what do you call a big pile of kittens? a meowntin
2016-03-19T21:41:34 < ohsix> i've been able to watch the last few things on east coast time and get to bed earlier, that's kind of kewl
2016-03-19T21:46:06 < ohsix> hrm is there any place online that takes library of congress infoz and let you browse all books in a given subject area, or within dewey classification or anything like that
2016-03-19T21:46:42 < ohsix> being in a physical library and having everything organized into at most one spot is pretty kewl
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2016-03-19T22:09:12 < ohsix> heh, figured out why all the school libraries are different than public libraries, they use library of congress' classification system
2016-03-19T22:10:21 < kakimir> win10 menu search stoped working all the sudden
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2016-03-19T22:10:38 < kakimir> and menu freezes and lags on and off
2016-03-19T22:14:48 < ohsix> Subclass TX Home economics - TX1100-1105 Mobile home living
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2016-03-19T22:28:00 < ohsix> hm heh
2016-03-19T22:28:10 < ohsix> i could start a priv8 library and join the lending network stuff
2016-03-19T22:28:35 < ohsix> i have some books that are lame but are one of the only copies left
2016-03-19T22:28:41 < ohsix> s/one/some
2016-03-19T22:31:52 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohmajJTcpNk interesting
2016-03-19T22:36:32 < Steffanx> pretty cool.
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2016-03-19T22:37:36 < Steffanx> even putin is included :D
2016-03-19T22:38:45 < lorenzo> heil putin
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2016-03-19T22:39:21 < Steffanx> Go wash your mouth with water and soap lorenzo
2016-03-19T22:39:39 < lorenzo> :(
2016-03-19T22:40:03 < lorenzo> no soap in the gulag
2016-03-19T22:42:10 < XTL> Need to throw another one in the oven, then
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2016-03-20T01:15:01 < kakimir> how to be a pro?
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2016-03-20T01:20:49 < kakimir> can ltspice hand out frequency?
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2016-03-20T01:28:08 < kakimir> it seems to be pretty important you have external supplys as 0V in ltspice
2016-03-20T01:28:21 < kakimir> else your net is in wrong initial state
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2016-03-20T01:40:06 < kakimir> man... is blheli coded in asm?
2016-03-20T01:42:45 < kakimir> mental
2016-03-20T01:43:08 < kakimir> https://github.com/bitdump/BLHeli/blob/master/SiLabs/BLHeli.asm
2016-03-20T01:44:35 < englishman> yes, so is simonk
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2016-03-20T01:50:53 < Lux> i think wii esc is the only atmega esc code written in c https://github.com/vishnubob/wii-esc
2016-03-20T01:52:20 < kakimir> I try to find parameters to limit power setting
2016-03-20T01:52:24 < kakimir> power output
2016-03-20T01:52:45 < Lux> you mean the pwm value ?
2016-03-20T01:56:48 < kakimir> yes
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2016-03-20T02:10:21 < kakimir> or what ever the concept is in this architecture
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2016-03-20T02:12:06 < jadew> what's that?
2016-03-20T02:12:50 < kakimir> I wonder if I could do dirty trick with dithering table
2016-03-20T02:14:07 < jadew> what does it do?
2016-03-20T02:15:24 < jadew> you're making a flying machine?
2016-03-20T02:19:26 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-20T02:19:49 < kakimir> or I abuse some governod mode to output limited pwm
2016-03-20T02:19:56 < kakimir> *governor
2016-03-20T02:20:08 < kakimir> jadew: oversize prop in slow glider
2016-03-20T02:20:14 < kakimir> seriously oversize
2016-03-20T02:20:36 < jadew> and what are you trying to do?
2016-03-20T02:20:43 < kakimir> efficiency
2016-03-20T02:20:52 < jadew> what's not working?
2016-03-20T02:21:52 < kakimir> user error in power limits would cause overcurrent
2016-03-20T02:22:45 < kakimir> power required to spin the propeller changes from 200w to 2kw in logaritmic fashion just by doupling the rpm
2016-03-20T02:23:23 < kakimir> and I want to have that sweet spot just before power starts to dramatically rise
2016-03-20T02:23:49 < jadew> if it's logarithmic it's always going to have a dramatic rise :)
2016-03-20T02:23:59 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-20T02:24:13 < jadew> just that on a lower scale, I guess you have to figure out what's the sweet spot and aim for it
2016-03-20T02:24:30 < kakimir> I have 150watts max
2016-03-20T02:24:38 < Sync> dongs: is there some jappu electronics auction site besides ebay?
2016-03-20T02:24:45 < jadew> Sync, yahoo
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2016-03-20T02:26:21 < jadew> http://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/
2016-03-20T02:26:40 < jadew> but it's crypted
2016-03-20T02:26:54 < jadew> the entire page is written in gibberish
2016-03-20T02:28:22 < jadew> <Sync> jadew, thanks
2016-03-20T02:28:24 < jadew> np!
2016-03-20T02:29:00 < ohsix> dongs: luuuuul i found adapter for labtop
2016-03-20T02:29:04 < ohsix> it's 120w tho ;D
2016-03-20T02:29:11 < ohsix> that will definitely do the business
2016-03-20T02:29:16 < jadew> one of those universal ones?
2016-03-20T02:29:21 < ohsix> nope, real hp one
2016-03-20T02:29:25 < jadew> ah, nice
2016-03-20T02:29:29 < jadew> the universal ones suck
2016-03-20T02:29:33 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-20T02:29:38 < jadew> they have huge ripple under load
2016-03-20T02:29:39 < ohsix> i was gonna get one of those eventually
2016-03-20T02:30:06 < ohsix> the laptop i have free needs the 65w adapter, the laptop i use all the time and have 2 of are both 35w
2016-03-20T02:30:56 < ohsix> lerl the laptop side of the cord is almost cm thick
2016-03-20T02:31:04 < kakimir> is .jp the last market for yahoo?
2016-03-20T02:31:26 < kakimir> how is that company still hanging there?
2016-03-20T02:31:52 < jadew> kakimir, apparently
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2016-03-20T02:32:20 < jadew> yahoo appeals only to the old generation and Japan has a lot of that :P
2016-03-20T02:32:31 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKY05BdzRKVnhoREk/view?usp=sharing the 4wire fan power switch
2016-03-20T02:34:03 < kakimir> no need to consume mcu pins for that
2016-03-20T02:36:46 < Sync> oh, great jadew, i'll check that out
2016-03-20T02:36:59 < jadew> np
2016-03-20T02:37:09 < jadew> they have lots of TE if that's what you're after
2016-03-20T02:37:20 < kakimir> jadew: I wonder do they use android and such or are they still into flip phones
2016-03-20T02:37:45 < jadew> heh, pretty sure they have a lot of current tech
2016-03-20T02:37:55 < jadew> don't they dongs?
2016-03-20T02:38:03 < kakimir> http://cdn.ndtv.com/tech/images/gadgets/galaxy-golden-big.jpg
2016-03-20T02:38:14 < jadew> see, android
2016-03-20T02:38:21 < kakimir> + flip phone
2016-03-20T02:38:38 < jadew> notice the size of the keys
2016-03-20T02:38:44 < jadew> it's clearly targetted at the elderly
2016-03-20T02:38:49 < kakimir> I want that
2016-03-20T02:38:59 < jadew> the elders who want to get on yahoo
2016-03-20T02:39:05 < kakimir> keypad was so good
2016-03-20T02:39:14 < Sync> jadew: currently looking for a high powered electronic load
2016-03-20T02:39:26 < jadew> Sync, how high power?
2016-03-20T02:40:00 < kakimir> as my guru says - touchscreen is keyboard of time of shortage
2016-03-20T02:40:39 < Sync> like 1000W or more
2016-03-20T02:40:41 < ohsix> also dunno if it is just an hp thing or what, but it's kind of nice all these adapters are the ~same with the same connectors
2016-03-20T02:40:45 < Sync> at at least 300V
2016-03-20T02:40:49 < jadew> Sync, got it
2016-03-20T02:41:26 < jadew> I have a 300W, 150V mayno, I remember they had higher power models too, but they get expensive
2016-03-20T02:41:36 < jadew> maynuo
2016-03-20T02:42:30 < Sync> yep
2016-03-20T02:42:40 < Sync> trying to cheapskate there
2016-03-20T02:43:05 < ohsix> lawl wat, this laptop is basically new; they upgraded stuff, but there's a weird wave in the keyboard, high on the left
2016-03-20T02:43:58 < jadew> ohsix, like a defect?
2016-03-20T02:44:23 < ohsix> not really sure, can look later; it could also be sunken on the right into some feature
2016-03-20T02:44:30 < ohsix> but i never noticed it before
2016-03-20T02:44:44 < Sync> oh lul jadew, you are right, they got lots of cheap TE shit
2016-03-20T02:45:20 < jadew> Sync, I know, I've been looking to buy stuff from them for a while, but shipping is an issue
2016-03-20T02:45:32 < kakimir> once they figure out to do some ip67 flip android I'm propably buying
2016-03-20T02:45:35 < jadew> I don't think many of them ship internationally
2016-03-20T02:46:00  * ohsix wait for lockup
2016-03-20T02:46:10 < Sync> well, we're WW2 bros
2016-03-20T02:46:45 < jadew> you nuked them?
2016-03-20T02:47:05 < jadew> or you're not from the US?
2016-03-20T02:47:25 < Sync> I'm from germoney
2016-03-20T02:47:51 < jadew> ah
2016-03-20T02:48:15 < jadew> well, then plan for VAT :/
2016-03-20T02:48:44 < jadew> when trying to buy from there I found a company that was taking care of everything
2016-03-20T02:48:51 < jadew> shipping + import taxes and all that
2016-03-20T02:49:16 < jadew> so you might want to look into that
2016-03-20T02:49:24 < jadew> some offer even bidding on your behalf
2016-03-20T02:49:41 < jadew> so you don't even have deal with the seller
2016-03-20T02:49:49 < jadew> not sure on how legit they are tho
2016-03-20T02:49:58 < Sync> okay, well, I don't mind dealing with them myself
2016-03-20T02:50:13 < Sync> and yeah I know how importing stuff works, unfortunately :D
2016-03-20T02:51:47 < kakimir> maybe tx governor is enought.. I can set maximum rpm and signal input sets rpm required from 0 to maximum rpm
2016-03-20T02:52:15 < ohsix> rick perry?
2016-03-20T02:52:32 < ohsix> nm
2016-03-20T02:53:25 < kakimir> I dont get the joke as reuopean
2016-03-20T02:53:47 < kakimir> :o
2016-03-20T02:54:13 < kakimir> I mean G.W.Bush
2016-03-20T02:56:54 < Sync> wot.
2016-03-20T02:56:59 < Sync> either that shit is super cheap there jadew
2016-03-20T02:57:06 < Sync> or the prices are somehow not right
2016-03-20T02:57:15 < jadew> Sync, it's an auction
2016-03-20T02:57:29 < jadew> they will eventually get higher, but yeah, stuff is cheap over there
2016-03-20T02:58:43 < Sync> nah there is a guyman that sells a kikusui load for 760€ or something
2016-03-20T02:58:50 < Sync> which is over 4k on ebay
2016-03-20T03:00:47 < dongs> Sync: no, there's auctions.yahoo for jp shit which is what everyone uses locally.
2016-03-20T03:01:54 < PeterM> [05:38] <ohsix> https://youtu.be/4IOJz_hoIKM?t=260 the eggs gave me howtobasic flashbacks
2016-03-20T03:02:43 < dongs> ARM tutorial
2016-03-20T03:04:25 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-20T03:04:28 < ohsix> labtop is not crashing
2016-03-20T03:04:42 < ohsix> PeterM: yea haha it was a boring video but that insert made up for it a little
2016-03-20T03:04:50 < ohsix> dongs: it looks like it was the ac adapter
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2016-03-20T03:16:20 < kakimir> protected identity of howtobasic
2016-03-20T03:16:55 < PeterM> iirc howtobasic is aussie
2016-03-20T03:19:16 < ohsix> i looked a bit to see if it was a clip or something from a howtobasic
2016-03-20T03:19:26 < ohsix> didn't seem like it
2016-03-20T03:21:19 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLNaaFw51O0
2016-03-20T03:21:24 < ReadError> ARM tutorial
2016-03-20T03:21:52 < PeterM> i havent clicked that link but i already know what it is
2016-03-20T03:22:23 < ohsix> looks like a major player on youtube
2016-03-20T03:22:26 < ohsix> and lots of tiny hammers
2016-03-20T03:25:49 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-20T03:25:52 < ohsix> lab computer still alive
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2016-03-20T03:42:55 < ohsix> darn there's some other problem, black screens in the bios and lockups with vertical li nes
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2016-03-20T03:46:17 < kakimir> I had a laught when I figured that what howtobasic's job is
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2016-03-20T03:57:13 < dongs> hm crap. imported dxf to altidong and its all as regions
2016-03-20T03:57:20 < dongs> was kinda hoping i could get pads on top layer for free
2016-03-20T03:58:46  * Laurenceb_ is wondering how hard a 3D animated horse would be in Qt
2016-03-20T03:59:28 < dongs> Laurenceb_: this was probably drawn in qt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3rpmctmC_M
2016-03-20T04:17:33 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/PCB-MANUFACTURING-FOR-WATER-VENDING/ ???
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2016-03-20T04:21:38 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/9Qn45YV
2016-03-20T04:29:40 < dongs> queer lives matter
2016-03-20T04:30:27 < ohsix> o man i cut wood so hard
2016-03-20T04:30:38 < ohsix> all that cardio this afternoon, felt like a lumberjack 4real
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2016-03-20T05:16:15 < ohsix> found keyboard bump problem, someone has been in here before, didn't put keyboard back on right
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2016-03-20T05:32:18 < ohsix> hehehe amd turion
2016-03-20T05:32:24 < ohsix> and the heatsink stuff looks blown out the side
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2016-03-20T06:03:35 < ohsix> it actually seems faster than my intel one of same vintage ... but it doesn't yet keep running for long
2016-03-20T06:18:09 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI9w_WcI19g h3h
2016-03-20T06:18:34 < ohsix> side channel attacks from piezoelectric and vrm noise
2016-03-20T06:25:35 < dongs> does that use STM32
2016-03-20T06:27:08 < ohsix> haven't got to that part
2016-03-20T06:27:11 < ohsix> it could, but i doubt it
2016-03-20T06:27:34 < ohsix> early in the presentation he shows how well a classifier can work given just the sound of each key, and it works pretty good; heh
2016-03-20T06:27:51 < dongs> i don't think you got my hint
2016-03-20T06:27:53 < ohsix> another one is from a book about intercepting egyptian cables at an embassy from a telephone link in the room
2016-03-20T06:28:01 < ohsix> i'm working on the lab computer
2016-03-20T06:28:10 < ohsix> haha
2016-03-20T06:28:12 < ohsix> he uses an avr
2016-03-20T06:28:25 < ohsix> as a thing to attack
2016-03-20T06:29:53 < ohsix> ReadError: you might dig that presentation re: attacking security bits in micros
2016-03-20T06:31:03 < ReadError> where
2016-03-20T06:32:01 < ohsix> 21:18 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI9w_WcI19g h3h
2016-03-20T06:32:40 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/pmhP6JH.png
2016-03-20T06:32:51 < ReadError> these are a few of my favvvorrrrrriiiteeee things
2016-03-20T06:33:28 < ohsix> heh looking good so farrr, need to find a way to try and crash it
2016-03-20T06:33:32 < ohsix> shadertoy.com rite
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2016-03-20T06:34:18 < ReadError> hehe
2016-03-20T06:34:22 < ReadError> he has an openbsd shirt on
2016-03-20T06:34:54 < ohsix> nobody is perfect :\
2016-03-20T06:35:06 < ohsix> if he's talking about this stuff he might be one of the people that aren't full of shit
2016-03-20T06:37:02 < ohsix> darn, gpu might be nuked, it almost lasted through one play of sela sue on acko.net D:
2016-03-20T06:37:44 < ReadError> reball it
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2016-03-20T06:38:23 < ohsix> there's only a bergquist style silpat on it
2016-03-20T06:39:17 < ohsix> sux no lab computer
2016-03-20T06:39:46 < ohsix> if i had a heat gun rework thing do you think it would make any difference to heat it up and maybe hope it reseats or whatever?
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2016-03-20T06:50:04 < ohsix> he does use an stm32f4
2016-03-20T06:50:09 < ohsix> @ 32 minutes
2016-03-20T06:50:34 < ohsix> to sample a microphone that does >20khz
2016-03-20T06:50:37 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/x3ZgJBx.png
2016-03-20T06:50:47 < ReadError> i didnt even notice the guy jerking it at the dmv
2016-03-20T06:50:51 < ReadError> the first time
2016-03-20T06:50:57 < ReadError> but i was high/tired
2016-03-20T06:51:00 < ohsix> jaja
2016-03-20T06:51:17 < ohsix> that's a hard thing to miss
2016-03-20T06:51:25 < ohsix> crt: readerror scooped me on it
2016-03-20T06:51:34 < ReadError> crt ontopic convo?
2016-03-20T06:51:40 < ReadError> like that exist here
2016-03-20T06:51:42 < ohsix> i was still watching it
2016-03-20T06:52:14 < ReadError> all crt talks about is pumpin
2016-03-20T06:52:17 < ReadError> pp4l
2016-03-20T06:53:26 < ohsix> why is the wm-61a one of a handful of condenser mics that do >20khz
2016-03-20T06:53:48 < ohsix> do people working on the cheap take advantage of them rolling off
2016-03-20T06:53:57 < ohsix> crt: well, you'd need a filter
2016-03-20T06:54:41 < ohsix> http://www.laptoprepair101.com/wp-images/motherboard-NVIDIA-problem/fix-failed-laptop-nvidia-chip-05.jpg heheh
2016-03-20T06:56:02 < ohsix> but in this case it wouldn't be a total waste of money to get a heat gun
2016-03-20T06:56:06 < ReadError> wtf
2016-03-20T06:56:08 < ohsix> at least give it once over
2016-03-20T06:56:10 < ReadError> i dont remember any of this ep
2016-03-20T06:56:13 < ohsix> bin it if it does it again
2016-03-20T06:56:33 < ohsix> or sell it as parts on ebay
2016-03-20T06:57:14 < ohsix> i wish amd was a bit smarter with their thermal shit
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2016-03-20T06:57:41 < ohsix> on notebooks they all suck, but nvidia and intel parts have internal clock throttling and it still works reasonably fast even when it is happening
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2016-03-20T06:58:53 < PeterM> generally it isn't the over heating, it is just hte thermnal cycling
2016-03-20T06:59:35 < PeterM> it will still happen wiht good thermal management, just take longer
2016-03-20T06:59:56 < ohsix> PeterM: yea
2016-03-20T07:00:20 < ohsix> i wonder if it shows up on xray
2016-03-20T07:00:53 < PeterM> its not a void or a bridge, its jsut a crack, i dont think any xray ive seen has good enough resolution for that
2016-03-20T07:01:28 < ohsix> it's a crack at the ball/pad interface right?
2016-03-20T07:02:10 < ohsix> i guess the same density material even with a gap somewhere in th emiddle aren't going to look that different
2016-03-20T07:02:28 < ohsix> i haven't actually had anything personally fail this way D:
2016-03-20T07:03:32 < ohsix> why would they understand, they can do the service multiple times for the same person in the best case, and at least once for someone that's close to throwing it out
2016-03-20T07:04:28 < ohsix> they're mostly fixing xbux that have shit that makes changing consoles really hard and stuff
2016-03-20T07:04:43 < PeterM> the crack can be anywhere, ball/pad, ball/ic/ ball/ball
2016-03-20T07:04:50 < ohsix> and for people that unloaded on dedicated gpu laptops
2016-03-20T07:05:46 < ohsix> the ones that come with the cpu are pretty ok now
2016-03-20T07:06:09 < ohsix> i still use a gm45 and it's basically slow on everything but it composes the desktop ok
2016-03-20T07:06:26 < ohsix> gm45 is ancient too
2016-03-20T07:06:35 < ohsix> ReadError: https://www.tau.ac.il/~tromer/radioexp/ mentioned in presentation
2016-03-20T07:07:06 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-20T07:07:16 < ohsix> there are tons of places i could put one of these under a table
2016-03-20T07:08:00 < ReadError> oh wow they actually got hillary to do the show lol
2016-03-20T07:08:23 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-20T07:08:26 < ohsix> tacked on but gr8
2016-03-20T07:08:39 < ReadError> ohsix i think i saw something similar
2016-03-20T07:08:45 < ReadError> using an acc or gyro or something
2016-03-20T07:08:53 < ohsix> by tacked on i mean the bike messenger thing is the whole reason to get her into that office
2016-03-20T07:08:53 < ReadError> they could tell which keys are pressed
2016-03-20T07:08:59 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-20T07:09:08 < ohsix> i saw another that used an accelerometer as a microphone
2016-03-20T07:09:47 < ohsix> http://arxiv.org/abs/1503.07919 HEHEH passing air gaps bidirectionally with heat, 1-8 bits per hour
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2016-03-20T07:14:04 < ohsix> yea it was almost like new, i just got done doing wat refurb i could, cleaning up and shit
2016-03-20T07:14:11 < ohsix> might try new silpat if i can get it cheap
2016-03-20T07:14:31 < ohsix> the fact that it just has a space gap filler type pad makes me think it's NOT the gpu but that's the only thing left that i can throw a thing on
2016-03-20T07:14:36 < ReadError> 40cm max range]
2016-03-20T07:14:42 < ReadError> still nuts
2016-03-20T07:23:01 < PeterM> no
2016-03-20T07:23:04 < ohsix> you're in it????
2016-03-20T07:28:09 < ohsix> i think the last thing i'll try is a thicker silpat, probably not as good as the right sized one but will definitely have good contact all the time
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2016-03-20T07:36:06 < dongs> < crt> is there a good altidong channel on freenode?
2016-03-20T07:36:09 < dongs> try #stonertronics
2016-03-20T07:39:24 < ReadError> i just axe here
2016-03-20T07:40:23 < ReadError> https://pdfgrep.org/
2016-03-20T07:40:25 < ReadError> oh wow
2016-03-20T07:41:02 < dongs> ReadError: dumb stoner. you can just type shit into windows searchbox
2016-03-20T07:41:07 < dongs> and it searches Pdfs.
2016-03-20T07:41:26 < ReadError> not the same
2016-03-20T07:42:20 < PeterM> because most PDFs have like a graph in the middle of a fuckign sentence or pictures inthe middle of words or weird AF spaces everywhere or other retarded formtatting because fuck people who want to actually copy text from them
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2016-03-20T07:43:14 < dongs> PeterM: and then there's PDFs made with opensores trash like ghostscript
2016-03-20T07:43:31 < dongs> when you copypaste those and you just get random binary noise
2016-03-20T07:43:32 < dongs> instead of ascii
2016-03-20T07:44:01 < PeterM> yeah fucking bullshit
2016-03-20T07:44:30 < PeterM> too bad if you want to copy past the 4ft long part number and theres a table dispersed throug hout it, i guess im not buying your part
2016-03-20T07:47:26 < ohsix> he doesn't even pump his own gas
2016-03-20T07:53:39 < ReadError> good call
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2016-03-20T08:05:00 < ohsix> wow, lowtax is the asian one
2016-03-20T08:05:17 < ohsix> watching old junk, he had his wife on the stream a week or something ago
2016-03-20T08:20:17 < ReadError> ohsix dicked around with that openkm thing
2016-03-20T08:20:25 < ReadError> has some nice features
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2016-03-20T08:35:26 < PeterM> expected https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNwiTG9qLIY
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2016-03-20T08:37:29 < la> http://oortr.com/ZjllYz
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2016-03-20T08:47:38 < dongs> innovators never sleep
2016-03-20T08:48:07 < PeterM> the city dump has 2 days of free dumpiung so i need to get rid of some of these bottles
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2016-03-20T09:07:22 < PeterM> crt best recent aussie song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWed7I5x54s
2016-03-20T09:16:40 < dongs> retarded fucking CUI RCA 3d model
2016-03-20T09:16:46 < dongs> their own shit doesnt fit the fucking footprint
2016-03-20T09:16:53 < dongs> also footprint made for eagle lusers
2016-03-20T09:16:55 < dongs> so the holes arent slots
2016-03-20T09:20:48 < dongs> dibcom used it
2016-03-20T09:22:22 < dongs> no, they got bought by parrot
2016-03-20T09:27:35 < dongs> i thought it waws altium
2016-03-20T09:28:19 < dongs> oll.
2016-03-20T09:29:37 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2016-03-20T09:35:02 < dongs> get stoned
2016-03-20T09:35:26 < dongs> hmm, make schematic for TPS63020DSJR
2016-03-20T09:35:30 < dongs> or ISL91110IINZ-T
2016-03-20T09:35:47 < dongs> oh hm i dont need either one on this board
2016-03-20T09:35:51 < dongs> i need the boost
2016-03-20T09:35:58 < dongs> MP2617GL-Z
2016-03-20T09:36:27 < dongs> er, no thats not it either
2016-03-20T09:36:34 < dongs> hrm did i not find a boost chip i needed? fuck
2016-03-20T09:37:00 < dongs> ya god damn i didnt find a proper boost IC yet
2016-03-20T09:37:14 < dongs> 5V>12V for panel backlight
2016-03-20T09:37:20 < dongs> its kinda dum cuz panel has another boost inside of it
2016-03-20T09:37:57 < PeterM> dongs how muich current boost?
2016-03-20T09:38:09 < dongs> < 500mA @ 12 V
2016-03-20T09:38:20 < dongs> but if im gonna get one i might as well have something bigger
2016-03-20T09:38:52 < dongs> hm i coulda sworn i had something picked but its not on chinagirl list
2016-03-20T09:39:08 < dongs> too stoned to remember, of course
2016-03-20T09:39:26 < PeterM> mp32113 isnt bad, but its probably over kill
2016-03-20T09:39:35 < PeterM> mp3213*
2016-03-20T09:40:19 < dongs> fuck, i hate comp loops
2016-03-20T09:41:17 < dongs> does china have QFN version of that?
2016-03-20T09:41:31 < dongs> looks like not even
2016-03-20T09:42:30 < dongs> but has msop. hm
2016-03-20T09:42:55 < PeterM> i have used tps55330 but that is HUGER current (5a) and mroe expensive
2016-03-20T09:43:13 < PeterM> so probably not good
2016-03-20T09:43:25 < PeterM> also requires comp
2016-03-20T09:43:58 < dongs> that one aint even in china
2016-03-20T09:44:06 < dongs> mps is probably ok, but so many parts arg
2016-03-20T09:44:38 < PeterM> it is in china, check for full part number , tps55330rter
2016-03-20T09:44:43 < dongs> i did
2016-03-20T09:44:46 < PeterM> o?
2016-03-20T09:45:06 < dongs> ya basically nothign
2016-03-20T09:45:09 < PeterM> mmhm
2016-03-20T09:45:15 < dongs> a place or two might have it but its like 2 vs 1000 for mps
2016-03-20T09:45:24 < dongs> on available volume
2016-03-20T09:45:48 < PeterM> ahh
2016-03-20T09:45:51 < PeterM> ic ic
2016-03-20T09:46:47 < dongs> but yeah, hm, it'll work. down to 2.5 input, etc.
2016-03-20T09:47:15 < dongs> time to add to my mouser innovation cart
2016-03-20T09:47:42 < dongs> jesus $3 at mouser
2016-03-20T09:47:43 < dongs> what a joke
2016-03-20T09:47:47 < dongs> probly liek $.30 in chian right
2016-03-20T09:48:19 < dongs> qfn version cehaper at mouser, hm
2016-03-20T09:48:24 < dongs> but definitely not available
2016-03-20T09:48:53 < PeterM> yeah something liek that
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2016-03-20T10:10:43 < ReadError> https://www.led-tech.de/images/products/resized/LT-2316-1408549809.jpg
2016-03-20T10:10:49 < ReadError> does this make sense to anyone?
2016-03-20T10:12:08 < ReadError> http://www.chemnitz-schmidt.de/Bilder/Minibuck.jpg
2016-03-20T10:12:20 < dongs> poti
2016-03-20T10:12:27 < dongs> fukken germans
2016-03-20T10:12:34 < ReadError> yes this is all very german
2016-03-20T10:12:46 < ReadError> KSQ is a buck
2016-03-20T10:13:07 < ReadError> but I dont understand what A/K have to do w/ PWM control
2016-03-20T10:14:06 < dongs> anode/cathoede?
2016-03-20T10:15:55 < ReadError> yea a=anode
2016-03-20T10:16:03 < ReadError> but wtf does that have to do w/ pwm
2016-03-20T10:16:38 < PeterM> ReadError, the "dimmer" is jsut a pwm generator
2016-03-20T10:17:27 < ReadError> hmm but it looks like the PWM input takes the same voltage as the buck input
2016-03-20T10:17:33 < ReadError> is that normal ?
2016-03-20T10:17:38 < PeterM> i dont see why not
2016-03-20T10:17:51 < PeterM> unless its liek 60v or 220vac
2016-03-20T10:18:00 < ReadError> 36v max
2016-03-20T10:18:12 < ReadError> no other pwm ive used has been that high so it just seems odd
2016-03-20T10:18:21 < PeterM> nah its fine
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2016-03-20T10:18:39 < PeterM> never used liek a tl494 ro anything?
2016-03-20T10:18:46 < ReadError> nope
2016-03-20T10:18:52 < PeterM> also link the part associated with ksq?
2016-03-20T10:19:13 < ReadError>  There is now a new generation of small BUCK driver, the Mini-Bucks: With LT-2315 and LT-2316 we provide the new 350mA / 700mA BUCK driver generation in mini format (12.5 x 12 , 5 mm) in front. Thanks to a completely new technical design, the Bucks are now used to 36V, much smaller and not least also become cheaper.
2016-03-20T10:19:27 < ReadError> I cant find fuckall for the 2315/2316 on Linear
2016-03-20T10:21:38 < PeterM> so... what are you tryingto acheive?
2016-03-20T10:21:54 < ReadError> just helping a guy w/ a little pcb
2016-03-20T10:22:14 < PeterM> helping him use said pcb or helping design
2016-03-20T10:22:17 < ReadError> but just have these little german pictures to go by
2016-03-20T10:22:37 < ReadError> hes using these modules
2016-03-20T10:22:42 < ReadError> and gave me a dxf
2016-03-20T10:23:29 < PeterM> i did quick gogoel of ksq buck and saw like 10euro, eyes popped out of head
2016-03-20T10:23:43 < ReadError> yea and theres like no good info
2016-03-20T10:23:49 < ReadError> just german pictures
2016-03-20T10:24:22 < dongs> why you stoning?
2016-03-20T10:24:49 < ReadError> https://www.led-tech.de/en/LED-Controlling/Constant-Current-Power-Supply/Mini-BUCK-Constant-Current-Power-Supply--700mA,-36V--LT-2316_118_119.html
2016-03-20T10:24:58 < PeterM> ReadError, it looks like a standard buck converter and the pwm signal is going to the enable pin
2016-03-20T10:25:05 < ReadError> ohhh
2016-03-20T10:25:11 < PeterM> either enable pin or the FB pin
2016-03-20T10:25:12 < ReadError> and EN is pulled to input VCC
2016-03-20T10:25:21 < ReadError> ok so that makes more sense
2016-03-20T10:25:33 < dongs> oh lol
2016-03-20T10:25:39 < dongs> PeterM: does that even work?
2016-03-20T10:25:42 < PeterM> sense? cents? nmroe liek fuckign 9 euro a pop it seems
2016-03-20T10:25:45 < PeterM> dongs yes
2016-03-20T10:25:52 < dongs> thats pretty hax
2016-03-20T10:25:53 < ReadError> crt its 'lt-2316'
2016-03-20T10:25:57 < dongs> to toggle EN
2016-03-20T10:26:04 < ReadError> good luck finding shit on it though
2016-03-20T10:26:21 < PeterM> i dunno what it is but it has xbox huge inductor
2016-03-20T10:26:36 < dongs> looks like WORST inductor
2016-03-20T10:26:48 < PeterM> 330 so 33uh
2016-03-20T10:27:02 < PeterM> that things running at like 250khz max
2016-03-20T10:27:20 < PeterM> and its a led
2016-03-20T10:27:26 < dongs> Stromverhalten
2016-03-20T10:27:37 < ReadError> thats what I am assuming
2016-03-20T10:27:38 < PeterM> fucking run that shit at like 1.5mhz and undersize the inductor, led aint gon care bout ripple
2016-03-20T10:27:46 < ReadError> but I cant find anything from linear
2016-03-20T10:27:46 < dongs> no you dumbfuck
2016-03-20T10:27:48 < dongs> LT = led-tech
2016-03-20T10:27:51 < dongs> its just thier internal part#
2016-03-20T10:27:53 < ReadError> oh what
2016-03-20T10:27:54 < ReadError> lol
2016-03-20T10:27:54 < PeterM> ^
2016-03-20T10:27:57 < ReadError> dumb
2016-03-20T10:28:05 < ReadError> LT-* is linear ;(
2016-03-20T10:28:17 < dongs> also readstoner, i can't imagine a single application for this
2016-03-20T10:28:19 < dongs> that isn't cloning
2016-03-20T10:28:21 < PeterM> do you honestly think they'd tell you the ic o nit if they're chargin 9euro a pop for it?
2016-03-20T10:28:32 < dongs> ic is probablyt 0.09EUR
2016-03-20T10:28:36 < ReadError> dongs yes, cloning something that uses 10$ modules lol
2016-03-20T10:28:40 < PeterM> indeed dongs
2016-03-20T10:28:52 < dongs> PeterM: how fast can you dick EN pin this way
2016-03-20T10:28:58 < dongs> that sounds pretty neat to try sometime when im lazy
2016-03-20T10:29:16 < ReadError> ok now things make more sense
2016-03-20T10:29:26 < ReadError> thanks PeterM
2016-03-20T10:29:50 < PeterM> depends on the chip, but pretty much anything has no issues with less than 1khz
2016-03-20T10:30:14 < ReadError> i wasnt thinking about it on that level
2016-03-20T10:30:57 < ReadError> ohhh
2016-03-20T10:30:59 < PeterM> crt no the swithcing frequency is underlying, even 1khz pwm of the enable line wont be audable because switcher is running at like 250khz in the backgorund
2016-03-20T10:31:23 < ReadError> https://www.led-tech.de/images/products/resized/LT-2316-1408549809.jpg
2016-03-20T10:31:25 < ReadError> so that dimmer
2016-03-20T10:31:30 < ReadError> is made to drive a smaller LED
2016-03-20T10:31:43 < ReadError> or some other LED
2016-03-20T10:31:44 < PeterM> probs
2016-03-20T10:32:00 < ReadError> ok that explains the A/K thing then
2016-03-20T10:32:21 < ReadError> crt no idea
2016-03-20T10:32:43 < ReadError> nope
2016-03-20T10:32:52 < dongs> they link to a fucking forum
2016-03-20T10:32:54 < dongs> from product page
2016-03-20T10:33:00 < dongs> instantly disqualified
2016-03-20T10:33:07 < ReadError> They say: "The Driver can also be used with our PWM dimmer. The minus pad of the dimmer has to be connected to the PWM pad of the driver. You also need to connect a 2K-10K resistor (1/4W) to the output channel of the dimmer".
2016-03-20T10:33:07 < ReadError> They also show the wiring on one picture: https://www.led-tech.de/images/products/resized/LT-2316-1408549809.jpg. Since the light controller I am using also controls the colors with a PWM GND and a common plus, I just tried it this way with a 8.2k resistor and it worked well.
2016-03-20T10:33:29 < PeterM> if the en pin method is too slow, you can pwm the FB pin with your fb resistors in place, and when the PWM signal is high the FB pin sets the swithcing duty cycle to minimum
2016-03-20T10:34:51 < PeterM> then you jsut opto it
2016-03-20T10:35:42 < PeterM> if you're selling $1 of parts for $14 you can afford a 10c opto
2016-03-20T10:37:03 < PeterM> jesus fuck
2016-03-20T10:37:30 < dongs> what voltage  do yo udo FB pin with then?
2016-03-20T10:37:37 < dongs> it has to be above the FB voltage from datasheet?
2016-03-20T10:38:02 < PeterM> thats almsot as bad as people who put soft starters o nmotors along 100m of cable, triacs swichin 100s of volts in uS, may as well be a fuckin am radio
2016-03-20T10:39:14 < PeterM> yeah above the feedback refrence voltage, but ofcourse below the max allowable on the  pin
2016-03-20T10:40:07 < PeterM> also you want your PWM to oly pull the signal high, not pull the signal low too, so pch fet
2016-03-20T10:40:48 < PeterM> if you pull the signal low it will mung the overcurrent protect on most switchers
2016-03-20T10:44:13 < dongs> ah, thats too much work. but still prety cool
2016-03-20T10:44:48 < PeterM> if you cant find a dimmable boost led driver or w/e for a project you cna jsut use a nromal current limited boost and pwm the enable
2016-03-20T10:45:05 < PeterM> or if they're too spensive works too
2016-03-20T10:48:11 < PeterM> because if you drive string of 25leds you would need a 60v supply...
2016-03-20T10:50:02 < ReadError> this guy is using 18x of those bucks :x
2016-03-20T10:50:53 < ReadError> yea, 3 bucks per LED
2016-03-20T10:50:56 < ReadError> RGB LEDs
2016-03-20T10:51:20 < PeterM> wow...
2016-03-20T10:52:07 < PeterM> someons got money to burn, thats like a weekends worth of booze and a lifetiems worth of liver damage
2016-03-20T10:52:32 < PeterM> 18x modules, each module is 9 euro each
2016-03-20T10:53:21 < dongs> lol
2016-03-20T10:53:24 < dongs> i was just gonna say
2016-03-20T10:54:12 < PeterM> i've seen stupider too but doing like $200 on something that hsouuld be $20 is kinda ughk
2016-03-20T10:58:59 < dongs> what the fucking fuck
2016-03-20T10:59:02 < dongs> why is that $9k
2016-03-20T10:59:07 < dongs> is it car-sized
2016-03-20T10:59:46 < dongs> ah its motorized pantilt
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2016-03-20T11:08:42 < la> http://oortr.com/ZjllYz
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2016-03-20T11:08:49 < ReadError> lol
2016-03-20T11:08:52 < ReadError> wtf
2016-03-20T11:08:56 < ReadError> yes i will click that link
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2016-03-20T11:18:40 < dongs> altidong fixed sch->pcb ECO speed
2016-03-20T11:18:42 < dongs> but
2016-03-20T11:18:46 < dongs> pb>ech is just as bad
2016-03-20T11:28:54 < dongs> time to head to sauna
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2016-03-20T11:31:22 < upgrdman> i've got an spi lcd, but it also uses a command/data pin to mark if a byte is a register number or register value. any idea if this could somehow be hacked together with spi dma? on an f0 if it makes a difference. i don't think its possible, but maybe?
2016-03-20T11:31:53 < upgrdman> like sync a gpio dma with an spi dma
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2016-03-20T11:55:16 < XTL> How often do you need the commands
2016-03-20T11:55:55 < XTL> And do they have to be that fast. Maybe you can earmark the messages to the screen if you have a whole queue and set the register before starting a dma transfer
2016-03-20T11:55:55 < jpa-> yeah, seems like you could just put in the command at start of write and then stream the data non-stop
2016-03-20T11:56:27 < XTL> I would expect you don't need (or can't) send too much to a screen at once anyway
2016-03-20T11:56:33 < upgrdman> thats what im doing now
2016-03-20T11:56:47 < upgrdman> just wasnt sure if there was a better way
2016-03-20T11:57:14 < jpa-> you can sync SPI TX DMA and GPIO DMA pretty easily though, just run them off the same timer, and set the timer period to match the SPI speed
2016-03-20T11:57:31 < upgrdman> hmm k
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2016-03-20T11:57:33 < jpa-> best way is always the simplest way that fulfills requirements; which requirements are you not meeting?
2016-03-20T11:58:15 < upgrdman> meets my needs. just deel dorty mixing polling and dma for the command and data parts
2016-03-20T11:58:27 < upgrdman> err feel dirty
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2016-03-20T11:59:54 < jpa-> well, you can make it interrupt driven; you can't wait for SPI transfer complete with just DMA anyway
2016-03-20T11:59:55 < ReadError> are you in CHINA upgrdman?
2016-03-20T12:00:09 < upgrdman> yes
2016-03-20T12:00:15 < ReadError> how disgusting is it
2016-03-20T12:00:32 < upgrdman> mildly
2016-03-20T12:01:18 < PeterM> where in .cn? saying im in china is liek saying im in the USA - you could be in the bay area, or you could be in fucking detroit
2016-03-20T12:01:31 < upgrdman> shanghai
2016-03-20T12:05:11 < PeterM> oh, yeah, defs mildly disgusting
2016-03-20T12:05:40 < upgrdman> well it depends
2016-03-20T12:05:59 < upgrdman> even in sh, there are very nice areas, and very shitty areas
2016-03-20T12:06:08 < PeterM> indeed
2016-03-20T12:06:12 < PeterM> hence the mildly
2016-03-20T12:06:16 < upgrdman> like jiuting is bordlerline dosgusting
2016-03-20T12:06:32 < upgrdman> xujiahui is fairly nice
2016-03-20T12:06:34 < upgrdman> etc
2016-03-20T12:07:38 < upgrdman> i mainly hate having to use public transit
2016-03-20T12:08:09 < upgrdman> after living in so cal... fuck pub'ic transit
2016-03-20T12:08:48 < upgrdman> tree huggers can go fuck themselves. i'll drive, i dont care if it pollutes.
2016-03-20T12:09:36 < upgrdman> crt, dont. it sucks after the first week of "oh this is different, neat"
2016-03-20T12:10:04 < upgrdman> well enough
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2016-03-20T12:12:05 < upgrdman> crt, although youmight want to try this  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/business_cards_cn.jpg
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2016-03-20T12:12:22 < upgrdman> or not, if you value your health
2016-03-20T12:12:46 < upgrdman> dunno
2016-03-20T12:14:04 < upgrdman> yes
2016-03-20T12:14:30 < upgrdman> ? uh yes
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2016-03-20T12:26:18 < PeterM> crt isn't that just a russian dolls?
2016-03-20T12:26:48 < PeterM> yer
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2016-03-20T13:43:37 < Steffanx> dongs is asleep crt
2016-03-20T13:44:30 < Steffanx> hows it pumping?
2016-03-20T13:44:55 < Steffanx> Excellent.
2016-03-20T13:46:00 < Steffanx> No i dont browse freelancer
2016-03-20T13:46:10 < Steffanx> No i dont browse kickstarter
2016-03-20T13:46:14 < Steffanx> No i dont browse kimgur
2016-03-20T13:48:53 < Steffanx> No the new st website is terrible
2016-03-20T13:49:53 < Steffanx> yeah, pro game. even the ai isnt that bad.
2016-03-20T13:54:35 < Steffanx> 12:54
2016-03-20T13:56:21 < Steffanx> almost monday?
2016-03-20T14:13:42 < Steffanx> poor you.
2016-03-20T14:13:56 < dongs> got stoned
2016-03-20T14:14:08 < Steffanx> he woke up :)
2016-03-20T14:20:15 < Steffanx> She?
2016-03-20T14:20:29 < dongs> http://www.monolithicpower.com/DesktopModules/DocumentManage/API/Document/GetDocument?id=2610 hah
2016-03-20T14:20:33 < dongs> thats cute
2016-03-20T14:22:12 < Steffanx> oh, Im not really familiar with those. Need to watch more gary movies and dave for that
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2016-03-20T14:30:04 < Steffanx> Sadly even a second is already "too much"
2016-03-20T14:31:48 < Steffanx> I imagine you have the same voice/acent.
2016-03-20T14:31:58 < mitrax> are you talking about eeblog?
2016-03-20T14:32:03 < mitrax> (too lazy to scrollback)
2016-03-20T14:32:37 < Steffanx> what else mitrax
2016-03-20T14:32:56 < mitrax> i hate the guy's voice
2016-03-20T14:33:00 < mitrax> i guess everybody does
2016-03-20T14:35:43 < dongs> eevfag
2016-03-20T14:35:46 < dongs> selloutblog
2016-03-20T14:35:55 < dongs> actually, there's not even anything "ee" on tehre.
2016-03-20T14:36:09 < dongs> i learned more stoning aroudn this channel than I'd ever learn from watching that fucks garbage
2016-03-20T14:36:36 < dongs> his current schedule is like
2016-03-20T14:36:38 < dongs> teardown of dumb shit
2016-03-20T14:36:39 < Steffanx> i learned how to troll, but im not sure im proud of that.
2016-03-20T14:36:39 < zyp> well, duh, that's why we're here, no?
2016-03-20T14:36:41 < dongs> retareded mailbag
2016-03-20T14:36:49 < dongs> rant about something / vietnamese
2016-03-20T14:36:53 < dongs> repeat
2016-03-20T14:39:53 < Steffanx> Could try some pumping vlogging.
2016-03-20T14:40:48 < Steffanx> ( i still dont know what definition of "pumper" is the right one :P )
2016-03-20T14:42:20 < dongs> do they have any single slot gfx980s
2016-03-20T14:43:48 < dongs> http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-980-TI-KINGPIN_Single-Slot.jpg lol
2016-03-20T14:44:00 < dongs> crt, thats not single slot
2016-03-20T14:44:08 < dongs> to use it in that configuration you have to do some retarded watercooling shit
2016-03-20T14:44:33 < dongs> i dunno, a fucking fan???
2016-03-20T14:45:36 < Steffanx> lol ebay. .. bought some random ebay electronics crap. The sellers emailaddress: service@catsuits-latex.com
2016-03-20T14:45:36 < Steffanx> yay.
2016-03-20T14:45:45 < mitrax> ahahah
2016-03-20T14:46:06 < mitrax> electronics crap? dildos?
2016-03-20T14:46:21 < dongs> thanks for the order, Steffanx
2016-03-20T14:46:45 < mitrax> ahahah
2016-03-20T14:46:46 < Steffanx> How can i not buy jumper wires for $0.99 even when they turn out to be semi-crappy.
2016-03-20T14:47:12 < Steffanx> Yes, female to female
2016-03-20T14:47:58 < Steffanx> one can never have enough of those.
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2016-03-20T17:47:03 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cd9YTD1VAAEp0_G.jpg:large
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2016-03-20T18:04:49 < kakimir> what does *-q1 mean in ti parts other than automotive?
2016-03-20T18:05:00 < Steffanx> Why blur the faces of the dancers and not all the other people around her?
2016-03-20T18:05:21 < Steffanx> Dancers were to ugly?
2016-03-20T18:06:37 < mitrax> gaaah i'm trying to redirect newlib's printf() output by overriding _write() and puts(), if i printf("blah %d\n", 1); printf("foo"); printf("bar\n"); i get "blah 1<newline>bar<newline>" the second call output is lost wtf (nor _write() or puts() get called for it)
2016-03-20T18:07:42 < dongs> bro
2016-03-20T18:07:46 < dongs> stop printf debugging
2016-03-20T18:07:51 < mitrax> that's not for debugging
2016-03-20T18:08:37 < mitrax> the board has an LCD, i want the boot loader to output stuff to a console when it does an upgrade
2016-03-20T18:08:48 < PaulFertser> mitrax: that's probably because you override puts(). You should only override _write().
2016-03-20T18:09:07 < PaulFertser> mitrax: printf will call puts if it has only a single argument.
2016-03-20T18:09:21 < PaulFertser> But to avoid any possible confusion, just override _write, and nothing more.
2016-03-20T18:10:07 < mitrax> PaulFertser: ok well i removed my puts() implementation, same thing
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2016-03-20T18:11:55 < PaulFertser> mitrax: so you expect you get foobar<newline> but foo is last altogether?
2016-03-20T18:12:08 < dongs> what d oes your _write do?
2016-03-20T18:12:16 < dongs> dump stuff to uart?
2016-03-20T18:12:23 < dongs> do you wait until previous shit has been sent?
2016-03-20T18:12:25 < PaulFertser> mitrax: you're not supposed to see _write called until you print a newline (the stdout is line-buffered by default).
2016-03-20T18:12:44 < dongs> fflush(lolout)
2016-03-20T18:12:49 < mitrax> dongs: no write to memory for the LCD
2016-03-20T18:12:58 < dongs> ffs
2016-03-20T18:13:05 < dongs> why dont you just make a fucking lcd_write()
2016-03-20T18:13:09 < mitrax> PaulFertser: yes foo is lost
2016-03-20T18:13:11 < dongs> why hte fuck woudl you even use printf  for this
2016-03-20T18:14:16 < mitrax> dongs: i have one... i just want to redirect printf() as well
2016-03-20T18:16:06 < mitrax> PaulFertser: if i disable buffering with setvbuf(stdout, NULL, _IONBF, 0); it's even weirder, i only get the first line, _write() is called only once
2016-03-20T18:16:42 < mitrax> dongs: i will skip that shit if it's not working properly, i just want the convenience of printf() formatting without sprintf() to a temporary buff
2016-03-20T18:16:48 < filt3r> mitrax, i have seen the same issue before, but i've never found a fix for it though
2016-03-20T18:17:03 < dongs> mitrax: .. use varargs
2016-03-20T18:17:16 < dongs> make lcd_print("faggot %s", foo) etc.
2016-03-20T18:17:17 < filt3r> the workaround was to always add a newline in every printf . . .
2016-03-20T18:17:18 < PaulFertser> mitrax: are you returning len from _write?
2016-03-20T18:18:23 < mitrax> PaulFertser: uh oh .... there's my culprit *cough*
2016-03-20T18:18:27  * mitrax hides
2016-03-20T18:18:46 < mitrax> PaulFerster: works perfectly now, thanks :)
2016-03-20T18:19:09 < PaulFertser> mitrax: :)
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2016-03-20T18:24:50 < dongs> BREAKING: U.S. Central Command announces boots-on-the-ground detachment of the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit for ground operations in Iraq; military says mission is to support efforts against Islamic State
2016-03-20T18:25:33 < kakimir> iraq war is back?
2016-03-20T18:26:48 < Steffanx> irc beaking news?
2016-03-20T18:27:16 < Steffanx> source ?
2016-03-20T18:27:50 < dongs> internet
2016-03-20T18:27:55 < Steffanx> -_-
2016-03-20T18:28:29 < dongs> https://www.dvidshub.net/news/192967/26th-marine-expeditionary-unit-forces-ground-iraq#.Vu7Prqd96DM
2016-03-20T18:29:46 < Steffanx> :)
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2016-03-20T18:52:35 < kakimir> 0.10 Isolate 1 = Electrical isolation of PHY from RMII
2016-03-20T18:52:38 < kakimir> what is this
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2016-03-20T20:02:31 < Laurenceb_> holy shit this is legit
2016-03-20T20:02:32 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/wJ05AnI
2016-03-20T20:08:30 < Steffanx> Now you'll never know how those people are. Your life will never be complete.
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2016-03-20T20:09:24 < mitrax> Laurenceb_: if you do a search on those exact words (within quotes) for muslims you get 267000 hits, "jews[...]" 30100, for "christians[...]" 8720, "buddhists[...]" 1340, so it's kinda consistent with the suggestions
2016-03-20T20:09:54 < mitrax> Laurenceb: now i thought the suggestions were based on existing search queries, not actual results, so i don't know
2016-03-20T20:12:07 < Steffanx> Also change it to "christianity is" or "islam is" and your life will be complete again.
2016-03-20T20:16:44 < Steffanx> You should care about more important things Laurenceb_
2016-03-20T20:17:02 < Steffanx> Like putting a list in an string and do string compare to check if a list changed.
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2016-03-20T22:08:01 < ohsix> weather went monsoon inside 5 minutes
2016-03-20T22:11:52 < kakimir> cold and dark continues
2016-03-20T22:15:33 < lorenzo> http://www.amazon.com/Putin-Riding-Bear-Action-Figure/dp/B00X61MVE8
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2016-03-20T22:36:26 < ohsix> heyyy jeffrey jones was in a movie after the pedo junk, '10.0 earthquake' from 2014
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2016-03-20T22:42:33 < ohsix> dongs: why does windows never remember credentials when i tell it to
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2016-03-20T22:48:05 < ohsix> Persistence: Enterprise
2016-03-20T22:48:10 < ohsix> i guess that explains why it doesn't work
2016-03-20T22:57:25 < Steffanx> windows or your browser forgets it ohsix?
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2016-03-20T23:05:22 < ohsix> windows
2016-03-20T23:05:46 < ohsix> they are stored in the thing that's supposed to store them, just doesn't work
2016-03-20T23:17:19 < Laurenceb_> http://www.google.com/patents/US20150260168
2016-03-20T23:20:11 < ohsix> dongs: alvin and the chipmunks is out
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2016-03-20T23:28:13 < kakimir> nice display driver beta
2016-03-20T23:28:54 < kakimir> faults to black screen when pc is suspended
2016-03-20T23:29:00 < kakimir> kikelake is not ready
2016-03-20T23:31:10 < kakimir> is there irc channels for blheli/simonk?
2016-03-20T23:32:41 < ohsix> any with simon on it
2016-03-20T23:33:34 < ReadError> kakimir wat do you want to know
2016-03-20T23:34:45 < kakimir> if I wanted to scale power output range by modifying the code
2016-03-20T23:35:02 < kakimir> limit switch on time to say
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2016-03-20T23:36:27 < ReadError> huh
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2016-03-20T23:38:27 < kakimir> effectivelly limit current
2016-03-20T23:41:29 < kakimir> ?
2016-03-20T23:45:05 < ReadError> most the escs dont have current shunts
2016-03-20T23:45:13 < ReadError> not SK/BLheli ones anyways
2016-03-20T23:46:01 < kakimir> you don't need a shunt
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2016-03-20T23:47:17 < ReadError> measuring Rds(on) ?
2016-03-20T23:47:17 < kakimir> if you are not maximizing the motor
2016-03-20T23:47:28 < kakimir> yes there is resistance
2016-03-20T23:47:42 < kakimir> and based on that you can calculate crude values
2016-03-20T23:48:26 < kakimir> ideally you would have that maximum pwm per rotation speed or so
2016-03-20T23:49:04 < ohsix> read the code
2016-03-20T23:49:12 < ReadError> ya and thats not in the code
2016-03-20T23:49:49 < kakimir> the ideal case is not
2016-03-20T23:50:05 < kakimir> but there is different low speed area with power multiplier
2016-03-20T23:50:19 < kakimir> you could have not 1 but 2 crude values
2016-03-20T23:50:42 < ReadError> then add the code
2016-03-20T23:51:10 < ohsix> two crude doodz
2016-03-20T23:51:11 < kakimir> hey.. I forgot there is need to compensate for battery voltage too!!
2016-03-20T23:51:29 < kakimir> battery voltage vs. backemf
2016-03-20T23:51:36 < ReadError> kakimir get a ESC32
2016-03-20T23:51:44 < ReadError> stm32 esc
2016-03-20T23:51:49 < ReadError> china clones are cheap
2016-03-20T23:52:00 < kakimir> looks kood
2016-03-20T23:52:24 < kakimir> looks future
2016-03-20T23:53:35 < kakimir> it has some c code for it?
2016-03-20T23:53:49 < ReadError> yes
2016-03-20T23:54:01 < kakimir> ohsix: it's like 20k lines of asm
2016-03-20T23:55:15 < kakimir> wow esc32 has current limit
2016-03-20T23:55:39 < ReadError> yes
2016-03-20T23:56:23 < ohsix> the parts you care about are only going to be a small part
2016-03-20T23:57:09 < ohsix> there's junk to see if it stopped commutating and a speed governor and some other crap, with the qualification that i don't remember if this describes simonk or blheli cuz it's been a while
2016-03-20T23:57:26 < ohsix> a couple of ways to indirectly limit current
2016-03-20T23:58:00 < ohsix> it's just to protect the mosfets, short high current excursions are going to be fine if they're short and shit
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2016-03-20T23:58:16 < kakimir> mosfets can handle stuff
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2016-03-20T23:59:37 < ohsix> stuff
2016-03-20T23:59:43 < ohsix> which parts explode then
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2016-03-21T00:00:14 < kakimir> propably the lame ass battery I plan to use
2016-03-21T00:00:56 < kakimir> nothing should explode if you can limit output power
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2016-03-21T00:03:07 < kakimir> even when fet currents go momentarily above some figure it means pretty much nothing as long the average current stays low
2016-03-21T00:03:41 < ohsix> what would you do if you had a current sense, limit the rpm?
2016-03-21T00:04:25 < kakimir> indirectly - yes
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2016-03-21T00:04:58 < kakimir> by limiting switching times / pwm the rpm comes down doesnt it?
2016-03-21T00:05:02 < ohsix> why wouldn't you just limit the rpm from the outset
2016-03-21T00:05:28 < ReadError> run closed loop
2016-03-21T00:05:48 < ReadError> governed
2016-03-21T00:06:39 < kakimir> ReadError: what if some mechanical issue causes extra load to motor?
2016-03-21T00:07:02 < kakimir> esc turns fets full on to keep rpm
2016-03-21T00:08:22 < kakimir> something gives
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2016-03-21T00:08:48 < ohsix> http://predb.me/?search=votetedcruz2016
2016-03-21T00:09:01 < ohsix> there's no part on, there's just the switching rate and the pulse width
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2016-03-21T00:09:50 < ohsix> the motor will stop commutating right if there's an 'extra load'
2016-03-21T00:10:22 < ohsix> might not be fast enough to avoid damage but you wouldn't be that close to exploding in the first place
2016-03-21T00:10:35 < Sync> rpm are not limited by current
2016-03-21T00:10:43 < Sync> they are limited by the frequency
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2016-03-21T00:11:36 < ohsix> just gotta make sure your startup sequence doesn't nuke the fetz if it really is stalled
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2016-03-21T00:13:15 < kakimir> in case of propeller rpm is limited by power you input to motor
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2016-03-21T00:16:01 < kakimir> ohsix: motor will not stop commutating as long there is enought power to keep it moving. and there is nothing to stop overloading condition
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2016-03-21T00:16:29 < kakimir> it doesn't just give up and stall
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2016-03-21T00:17:02 < kakimir> something must overcome the torque of motor first
2016-03-21T00:17:38 < kakimir> like grass and dirt
2016-03-21T00:19:30 < jadew> I ordered this: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&sku=860-BBCG
2016-03-21T00:20:13 < jadew> if it's shit too, I'll get an LG and if that's shit too I don't know what I'll do
2016-03-21T00:22:39 < jadew> dongs has a 4k monitor, I plan to buy 2 more for that money
2016-03-21T00:25:01 < ohsix> oog
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2016-03-21T00:25:10 < ohsix> have you also heard how often they don't come on right after blanking
2016-03-21T00:25:22 < jadew> heh
2016-03-21T00:25:46 < jadew> I'm scared it may only be hype
2016-03-21T00:26:00 < ohsix> it's all about the lg 8k monitors now
2016-03-21T00:26:15 < jadew> it seem to me that Dell is the Apple of monitors
2016-03-21T00:26:24 < ReadError> i would never buy a dell 4k monitor
2016-03-21T00:26:30 < ReadError> after hearing about all the retarded issues
2016-03-21T00:26:35 < ReadError> ASUS 4 LYFE
2016-03-21T00:26:36 < ohsix> they make nice stuff
2016-03-21T00:26:41 < jadew> what issues?
2016-03-21T00:26:44 < ohsix> but you pay for it
2016-03-21T00:26:52 < ReadError> jadew like, turning them off
2016-03-21T00:27:04 < ReadError> disconnects them and re-arranges all your windows
2016-03-21T00:27:19 < jadew> heh
2016-03-21T00:27:49 < jadew> hope I won't have a lot of issues with it, if it sucks I have another option, but it's a bit bigger than I'd like and it will be hard to fit 3 on my desk
2016-03-21T00:28:17 < jadew> http://www.lg.com/de/monitore/lg-24MB67PY-B
2016-03-21T00:28:41 < ohsix> snaked up
2016-03-21T00:29:20 < ohsix> kakimir: they aren't using emf to sync to the motor?
2016-03-21T00:29:21 < jadew> I figured that since LG is one of the major players in panel manufacturing, their business line should be pretty good
2016-03-21T00:30:48 < ohsix> isn't samsung still like the 70% beast
2016-03-21T00:31:08 < kakimir> ohsix: you don't sync the motor.. you sync the esc to motor
2016-03-21T00:31:21 < ohsix> how do you do that
2016-03-21T00:33:16 < kakimir> you have some variables and shiet you calculate the motor angle from zero points you know and then interpolate the rest you know?
2016-03-21T00:33:20 < ohsix> oic the samsung thing was only oled and for a small time
2016-03-21T00:33:34 < ohsix> kakimir: how do you know the zero points
2016-03-21T00:33:36 < kakimir> there is some loop iterating the rotor angle
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2016-03-21T00:33:45 < kakimir> ohsix: you measure them fool
2016-03-21T00:33:45 < ReadError> kakimir you can run a sensor'd motor
2016-03-21T00:33:54 < ReadError> most are sensorless though
2016-03-21T00:34:00 < ohsix> is one of the ways to measure them emf?
2016-03-21T00:34:23 < kakimir> that definitelly is the way in aerial devices
2016-03-21T00:35:00 < ohsix> so if the motor becomes unsynchronized from the emf the motor was tracking, what happens
2016-03-21T00:35:17 < ohsix> s/motor was tracking/esc was tracking/
2016-03-21T00:35:46 < kakimir> it calibrates itself all the time
2016-03-21T00:36:44 < kakimir> if it stalls it shuts down
2016-03-21T00:36:52 < ohsix> how does it know it stalled
2016-03-21T00:37:06 < kakimir> some timeout
2016-03-21T00:38:21 < kakimir> no pulses measured for amount of time
2016-03-21T00:38:23 < kakimir> stalled
2016-03-21T00:38:40 < ohsix> k
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2016-03-21T01:08:00 < ohsix> hahaha digital homicide is sewing jim sterling for 10m$
2016-03-21T01:08:47 < jadew> haven't heard of any of them
2016-03-21T01:08:49 < jadew> who are they?
2016-03-21T01:17:49 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/zmoiF.jpg
2016-03-21T01:18:29 < jadew> lol
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2016-03-21T01:19:34 < jadew> you have to wonder what happened
2016-03-21T01:27:03 < kakimir> when dongs have translation jobs
2016-03-21T01:31:43 < ohsix> gigabutts achieved
2016-03-21T01:32:23 < ohsix> jadew: it's like one dude that's been spamming steam with reall ybad stuff, basically all jim sterling plays; so he's talked shit about them at length, and there was a recorded phone conversation where they were reading off a script and threatening him and stuff
2016-03-21T01:32:30 < ohsix> dunning kruger maybe
2016-03-21T01:33:54 < ohsix> ogh they have a .ninja domain name
2016-03-21T01:34:40 < ohsix> https://www.gofundme.com/47uexn9c jaja
2016-03-21T01:35:04 < ohsix> nevermind
2016-03-21T01:35:12 < ohsix> they can't pay a lawyer if this doesn't success
2016-03-21T01:35:56 < ohsix> they participate in a bunch of the early access scams, giving out keys and stuff
2016-03-21T01:36:42 < ohsix> http://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=Digital%20Homicide%20Studios
2016-03-21T01:37:01 < ohsix> they recently posted the same game to green light twice, one had a different title card and the camera position was different
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2016-03-21T01:47:36 < kakimir> does tamper active time stamping work when powered from vbat?
2016-03-21T01:48:00 < jadew> ohsix, sounds like a scandal I'd like to follow
2016-03-21T01:48:13 < kakimir> is it even real thing or just some piece of software they reffer to
2016-03-21T01:48:17 < jadew> the feminist movement has gotten kinda stale lately
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2016-03-21T01:51:26 < jadew> I wonder for how long it's going to keep going, the silliness of it all is amazing
2016-03-21T01:53:45 < kakimir> pls carry on
2016-03-21T01:53:48 < jadew> I don't think even 3% of women agree with what the current wave has to say
2016-03-21T01:54:13 < jadew> cuz... you know... rationality
2016-03-21T01:55:26 < kakimir> it's terror of few
2016-03-21T01:55:37 < kakimir> *a terror of a few
2016-03-21T01:55:55 < jadew> yeah, but they're so vocal they make actual damage
2016-03-21T01:55:56 < mitrax> kakimir: most definitely
2016-03-21T01:57:00 < jadew> http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/jun/11/nobel-laureate-sir-tim-hunt-resigns-trouble-with-girls-comments
2016-03-21T01:59:58 < mitrax> then before that there was mozilla CEO
2016-03-21T02:00:06 < kakimir> I need some tamper circuit that is proven to work with vbat
2016-03-21T02:00:22 < jadew> and the guy who landed that probe on the commet
2016-03-21T02:00:51 < jadew> (for the first time in the history of the world)(
2016-03-21T02:01:00 < jadew> they ruined his great day...
2016-03-21T02:01:23 < mitrax> didn't know about that one, what happened?
2016-03-21T02:01:51 < jadew> the guy was wearing a shirt with some chicks on it when he was giving the interview
2016-03-21T02:02:02 < jadew> a shirt he received a gift from a female colegue
2016-03-21T02:02:10 < jadew> *collegue
2016-03-21T02:03:08 < jadew> https://www.rt.com/news/208003-taylor-rosetta-comet-shirtstorm/
2016-03-21T02:03:34 < mitrax> what the fuck
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2016-03-21T02:05:57 < mitrax> sad world
2016-03-21T02:09:05 < ohsix> jadew: it was boring/dead, the lawsuit thing is digital homicide trolling for attention again
2016-03-21T02:09:34 < ohsix> if they're making any money at all it's in a direct feedback loop with jim sterling talking about the games
2016-03-21T02:09:44 < jadew> ohsix, yeah, found an article about it, I don't think they'd have much of a case anyway
2016-03-21T02:10:16 < ohsix> it's a total waste of time,  but the phone interview or whatever it was is funny
2016-03-21T02:10:27 < jadew> heh, I was wondering the other day how much money can those game producers make from < $1 titles
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2016-03-21T02:10:45 < ohsix> i'm risking sounding like i care about it more than i do, time to do something else ;D
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2016-03-21T02:11:24 < jadew> I'm looking for a bit of a distraction, then I'll get back to work
2016-03-21T02:12:11 < ohsix> radiolab
2016-03-21T02:12:47 < jadew> what's that?
2016-03-21T02:13:47 < ohsix> a podcast, it's pretty good
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2016-03-21T02:18:58 < FatalNIX> on stm32, what's the difference beetween TIM_CH1N and TIM1_CH1 ?
2016-03-21T02:19:46 < ReadError> N is opposite/invereted
2016-03-21T02:20:06 < FatalNIX> huh
2016-03-21T02:20:12 < FatalNIX> I think i know what that means..
2016-03-21T02:20:35 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdDJ4dVdvd1FFbTA/view?usp=sharing I leave all external pullups out
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2016-03-21T02:24:12 < FatalNIX> so an inverted timer channel, does that mean that the timing pulses are just active low or something
2016-03-21T02:24:13 < FatalNIX> ?
2016-03-21T02:24:25 < FatalNIX> which shouldn't make a difference at all..
2016-03-21T02:25:04 < kakimir> difference to what?
2016-03-21T02:25:10 < kakimir> it makes difference to many things
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2016-03-21T02:26:23 < FatalNIX> well I'm looking at the alternative fuctions list for this disco, and for this lab I just gotta PWM the led on the board. The only timer AF available is on he secondary led and it is TIM1_CH1N
2016-03-21T02:27:28 < FatalNIX> for class
2016-03-21T02:28:00 < FatalNIX> lol
2016-03-21T02:28:47 < FatalNIX> wait what
2016-03-21T02:28:53 < FatalNIX> the guy has dong and wang in his name
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2016-03-21T02:40:41 < jadew> it's monday here, we'll see how it goes
2016-03-21T02:40:51 < jadew> I'm supposed to get the 1 Gbps connection today
2016-03-21T02:41:15 < ohsix> people say they monkey around
2016-03-21T02:59:43 < kakimir> junction temperature 210celsius
2016-03-21T02:59:47 < kakimir> is this normal?
2016-03-21T02:59:55 < jadew> for what?
2016-03-21T03:00:06 < jadew> it sounds hot for many things
2016-03-21T03:01:14 < kakimir> http://www.ti.com/product/TPS62000-HT some niche buck regulator
2016-03-21T03:01:28 < kakimir> extra low everything but temperature
2016-03-21T03:01:44 < kakimir> and almost a hundred per one chip
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2016-03-21T03:03:25 < kakimir> there is normal one that costs nothing
2016-03-21T03:04:05 < jadew> lol kakimir, that's not the junction temperature
2016-03-21T03:04:07 < kakimir> http://www.findchips.com/search/TPS62000SHKK
2016-03-21T03:04:08 < jadew> it's the temperature rating
2016-03-21T03:04:30 < jadew> it means it can work at that temperature
2016-03-21T03:05:38 < kakimir> I need to aske for samples
2016-03-21T03:06:18 < kakimir> sorry it's ambient but hey what is the difference?
2016-03-21T03:06:41 < kakimir> it's not going to magically cool itself inside
2016-03-21T03:06:45 < jadew> kakimir, it's not the temperature it's generating
2016-03-21T03:06:53 < jadew> it's the temperature it can work at
2016-03-21T03:07:02 < jadew> as in, it will still do its job
2016-03-21T03:08:56 < kakimir> so.. the junction temperature is then higher
2016-03-21T03:09:23 < ohsix> wait wat
2016-03-21T03:09:30 < ohsix> mosfets don't work unless they're running at 210c?
2016-03-21T03:10:34 < kakimir> no that chip will run at -55 too
2016-03-21T03:10:59 < ohsix> do they have filaments
2016-03-21T03:11:07 < ohsix> need dat heat for thermionic emissions
2016-03-21T03:13:46 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-21T03:13:59 < kakimir> I wonder how they solder stuff
2016-03-21T03:14:30 < kakimir> just rohs it and it takes 400celsius to melt that solder
2016-03-21T03:17:26 < aandrew> dongs: what were those protected output drivers you liked to use?
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2016-03-21T03:22:54 < ColdKeyboard> I'm using Timer 2 to generate PWM output on channels 1-4
2016-03-21T03:22:59 < ColdKeyboard> This is my init code http://pastie.org/10768076
2016-03-21T03:23:22 < ColdKeyboard> Channel 1 is working fine when I set compare value, but channels 2, 3 and 4 don't work :\
2016-03-21T03:24:53 < ColdKeyboard> Any ideas or suggestions how to fix it or what am I doing wrong?
2016-03-21T03:25:40 < ColdKeyboard> Also I see in docs that I can use PA and PB for TIM2 channels, not sure if I can chose or I have to pick certain port in certain modes
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2016-03-21T03:35:31 < dongs> aandrew: which context
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2016-03-21T03:40:36 < aandrew> dongs: some mosfet that you are in love with for power outputs. has internal protection so it doesn't shit itself
2016-03-21T03:41:23 < dongs> you mean general pfet shit? irlml6301 or someshit like that
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2016-03-21T03:48:50 < kakimir> it is about the same price to butt low Iq LDO 5->3v3 in design than butt some low Iq buck in there
2016-03-21T03:49:00 < kakimir> also the cap is the same
2016-03-21T03:49:31 < kakimir> just add some 1µH inductor and it's dones
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2016-03-21T03:51:46 < dongs> cool pro blog bro
2016-03-21T03:55:34 < kakimir> crt = creature
2016-03-21T03:59:43 < kakimir> do you
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2016-03-21T04:03:38 < kakimir> I have done it for this project I'm working on
2016-03-21T04:03:52 < dongs> assburgers
2016-03-21T04:04:14 < kakimir> true
2016-03-21T04:04:36 < kakimir> guys I just found the best lullaby
2016-03-21T04:04:44 < kakimir> sound of big diesel engines
2016-03-21T04:05:16 < kakimir> humming
2016-03-21T04:09:21 < kakimir> I'm the definition of autism
2016-03-21T04:11:08 < kakimir> the original autism boy
2016-03-21T04:18:34 < dongs> any NT cmd pros? I need to pass lol.txt as argument, but only use lol + add my own extension for output
2016-03-21T04:19:04 < ColdKeyboard> http://pastie.org/10768076
2016-03-21T04:19:21 < ColdKeyboard> Why is this init working for channel 1 but not for others (2, 3 and 4) ?
2016-03-21T04:22:28 < dongs> looks ok to me
2016-03-21T04:22:31 < dongs> i guess
2016-03-21T04:23:16 < ColdKeyboard> I'm settin compare values with
2016-03-21T04:23:24 < ColdKeyboard> TIM_SetCompare1(TIM2, value); //works fine
2016-03-21T04:23:39 < ColdKeyboard> TIM_SetCompare2(TIM2, value); //doesn't work
2016-03-21T04:24:03 < ColdKeyboard> So I'm not sure where did I screw up :\
2016-03-21T04:24:06 < dongs> do you have some proper IDE to inspect TIMx->CCR
2016-03-21T04:24:10 < dongs> or in general TIM2 registers
2016-03-21T04:24:12 < dongs> to see if it sworking
2016-03-21T04:24:39 < ColdKeyboard> I'm using eclipse with OpenOCD
2016-03-21T04:27:27 < dongs> see if you also need to set ARR
2016-03-21T04:28:44 < ColdKeyboard> Hmmm... seems like, among other things, I messed up with recieving data from USB
2016-03-21T04:29:01 < ColdKeyboard> :\
2016-03-21T04:30:45 < FatalNIX> WTF?
2016-03-21T04:30:48 < dongs> shit game is shit
2016-03-21T04:31:05 < FatalNIX> I've never had that happen before, my STM32L476 disco won't let me set the alternative function of a pin..
2016-03-21T04:31:07 < FatalNIX> er
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2016-03-21T04:31:13 < FatalNIX> won't let me put it into alternative function mode
2016-03-21T04:31:23 < FatalNIX> it just says nope and sets it to output
2016-03-21T04:31:40 < jadew> R2COM, haha :P
2016-03-21T04:31:41 < FatalNIX> anyone ever have an issue like that?
2016-03-21T04:31:53 < jadew> you saw that, eh? :P
2016-03-21T04:32:28 < jadew> it's my go-to activity when I need to releave some stress
2016-03-21T04:32:30 < ColdKeyboard> Worms is the best game if you want to make enemies :)
2016-03-21T04:32:44 < jadew> yeah
2016-03-21T04:32:51 < jadew> I change my nickname a lot
2016-03-21T04:33:10 < jadew> everyone gangs up on me
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2016-03-21T04:33:49 < jadew> R2COM, btw, those 1800 hours are in reloaded, not armageddon
2016-03-21T04:35:05 < jadew> 1800 / 24 = 75
2016-03-21T04:35:11 < jadew> yeah... that's a lot
2016-03-21T04:35:38 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-21T04:35:40 < ohsix> er
2016-03-21T04:36:28 < jadew> ah, look at that you have 767 hours in that arma 3
2016-03-21T04:36:35 < FatalNIX> Does anyone see anything wrong here?: http://pastie.org/private/mzuoy205zekiryeqkdyzq
2016-03-21T04:36:47 < jadew> and you're looking at me funny :P
2016-03-21T04:36:52 < FatalNIX> like I said, no matter what I do I can't set PE8 as an Alternative Function
2016-03-21T04:36:55 < jadew> well, I don't play other games
2016-03-21T04:37:21 < jadew> you have a dick in your comments section
2016-03-21T04:37:37 < jadew> dick and balls
2016-03-21T04:38:03 < jadew> yeah, it proves you did good
2016-03-21T04:40:02 < ohsix> #multiwii i'm glad they're popular so people other than me are watching them :D
2016-03-21T04:40:05 < ohsix> oops
2016-03-21T04:44:13 < FatalNIX> I blame keil's compiler.
2016-03-21T04:44:16 < FatalNIX> I fixed it
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2016-03-21T04:50:25 < FatalNIX> keil has always been busted :P
2016-03-21T04:50:32 < FatalNIX> I found a bug in its' debugger the other day XD
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2016-03-21T04:50:37 < FatalNIX> but that's okay, it works
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2016-03-21T05:26:09 < ColdKeyboard> I'm sending data over USB. Report size is 2 bytes. Whenever the 1st byte is 0x05, it's like device didn't even recieve it. 0-4 works fine, but 0x05 just dissapears :\
2016-03-21T05:26:23 < ColdKeyboard> Is it some USB protocol stuff that I'm missing or something else?
2016-03-21T05:28:27 < dekar> ColdKeyboard, I think the first byte is the endpoint and you have to declare those in the USB descriptors to the host. Are you using Windows? I think Windows actually checks those and drops everything that doesn't comply silently.
2016-03-21T05:30:15 < ColdKeyboard> I'm using some STM custom HID example. And it worked just fine except that 0x05 never gets from host to the device :\
2016-03-21T05:30:41 < ColdKeyboard> Yes I'm using windows. I guess I'll have to increase the report size to 3 bytes and set 1st byte always to 0x00 :\
2016-03-21T05:32:45 < dekar> ColdKeyboard, you should also have a look at their descriptors for that. From what I remember they declare the first bunch of endpoints to be single bytes controlling LEDs.
2016-03-21T05:34:18 < ColdKeyboard> I will. Thank's dekar
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2016-03-21T05:55:34 < jadew> I just used goto
2016-03-21T05:56:31 < emeb_mac> you'll burn for that
2016-03-21T05:56:42 < jadew> I feel like I've grown
2016-03-21T05:56:58 < jadew> haven't used it in maybe... 15 years
2016-03-21T05:57:32 < jadew> but it makes so much sense here and I can think of a couple other similar situations where it would make the code much much cleaner
2016-03-21T05:57:36 < emeb_mac> won't you feel stupid when you die and find out that Edsger Dijkstra is guarding the pearly gates.
2016-03-21T05:57:52 < jadew> emeb_mac, heh
2016-03-21T05:57:59 < jadew> we're not in the 60's tho
2016-03-21T05:58:30 < emeb_mac> I often use goto to to cleanly skip over code in error conditions
2016-03-21T05:58:49 < jadew> I just used to continue over 2 loops
2016-03-21T05:58:59 < Laurenceb_> jadew: get in the chamber
2016-03-21T05:59:06 < jadew> seems so much nicer than having a flag
2016-03-21T05:59:18 < ohsix> single exit point > prohibition against goto
2016-03-21T05:59:34 < jadew> ohsix, if you agree to that :)
2016-03-21T05:59:52 < Laurenceb_> gasgasgasgasgas
2016-03-21T05:59:53 < emeb_mac> it's not just single exit point
2016-03-21T06:00:05 < jadew> but once you start using continue, break, early return, etc you can't go and blame this use of goto
2016-03-21T06:00:05 < emeb_mac> it's good for setup / teardown too
2016-03-21T06:00:07 < ohsix> the reasons people say not to use goto basically don't exist anymore
2016-03-21T06:00:18 < emeb_mac> yeah
2016-03-21T06:00:20 < jadew> ah
2016-03-21T06:00:26 < jadew> sorry, I misread
2016-03-21T06:00:31 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb: you use UKHASnet?
2016-03-21T06:00:38 < jadew> yeah, the reason doesn't exist anymore
2016-03-21T06:00:46 < ohsix> they'd teach goto and people would just put goto foo: all over instead of using other structures
2016-03-21T06:01:24 < Laurenceb_> emeb_mac: lol no
2016-03-21T06:01:34 < jadew> ohsix, most likely
2016-03-21T06:01:35 < Laurenceb_> it seems like massive perman00b
2016-03-21T06:01:40 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: heh
2016-03-21T06:01:44 < Laurenceb_> although maybe it has been improved
2016-03-21T06:01:52 < Laurenceb_> but I still dont see the point
2016-03-21T06:01:57 < ohsix> i'd just move teaching goto to be part or shortly after switch() case: olol
2016-03-21T06:02:05 < ohsix> also CS is different
2016-03-21T06:02:07 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: given that they have examples for arduino and stm8, yeah
2016-03-21T06:02:22 < Laurenceb_> if they really want to do packet from balloon to balloon it'd need massive work on the physical layer
2016-03-21T06:02:26 < ohsix> people don't necessarily learn how the machines work or any assembly language that might get people into a goto framing
2016-03-21T06:03:34 < ohsix>  In their quasi-standard book on the C programming language, Dennis Ritchie and Brian Kernighan warn that goto is "infinitely abusable", but also suggest that it could be used for end-of-function error handlers and for multi-level breaks from loops.[10]
2016-03-21T06:03:35 < ohsix> heheh
2016-03-21T06:04:16 < jadew> ohsix, yeah, that's how I used to use it when I was writing C
2016-03-21T06:04:26 < jadew> for error handling & cleanup
2016-03-21T06:04:38 < ohsix> gcc has custom scope exit things now, so that is kind of arguable
2016-03-21T06:04:54 < jadew> I don't know if gcc was around back then
2016-03-21T06:05:09 < jadew> if it was, it wans't on my OS
2016-03-21T06:05:19 < jadew> DOS
2016-03-21T06:05:23 < ohsix> well, it wouldn't be relevant if it was, and __attribute__((cleanup)) is only recently in wide-ish use
2016-03-21T06:06:25 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/cYBJhqS
2016-03-21T06:07:24 < jadew> she looks like she'd be capable of that
2016-03-21T06:07:48 < ohsix> christ, hooking up gigabutt was totally useless, gvfs-smb only writes 1MB/s
2016-03-21T06:08:53 < jadew> heh
2016-03-21T06:09:06 < jadew> today I'm getting gigabit internet \o/
2016-03-21T06:09:27 < jadew> my e-dick will grow by an order of magnitude
2016-03-21T06:10:07 < jadew> I'll post the link with its size when that happens
2016-03-21T06:12:48 < dongs> time to burn my anniemay collection
2016-03-21T06:12:50 < dongs> "Animation Software Used by Studio Ghibli to Be Released as Open Source, Developer Says"
2016-03-21T06:13:50 < dongs> < ohsix> gcc has custom scope exit things now, so that is kind of arguable
2016-03-21T06:13:51 < dongs> waht
2016-03-21T06:13:57 < dongs> atexit or wahtever exzxited for a while
2016-03-21T06:14:18 < jadew> dongs, isn't that for the global scope?
2016-03-21T06:14:22 < dongs> shrugging
2016-03-21T06:14:24 < dongs> i dont use gcc
2016-03-21T06:14:35 < Laurenceb_> emeb_mac: ukhas net is not used for the tracker
2016-03-21T06:14:41 < Laurenceb_> that tells you all you need to know
2016-03-21T06:15:00 < Laurenceb_> tracker uses fldigi plug in and an aprs gateway
2016-03-21T06:15:27 < ohsix> looks like windows is doing this
2016-03-21T06:15:50 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: yep - still not ready for primetime
2016-03-21T06:16:20 < ohsix> dongs: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Common-Variable-Attributes.html#index-g_t_0040code_007bcleanup_007d-variable-attribute-3483
2016-03-21T06:27:15 < ohsix> heh hm
2016-03-21T06:27:23 < ohsix> read speeds from windows are great, but not writes
2016-03-21T06:27:35 < ohsix> sure would like to write at 50MB/s too
2016-03-21T06:31:37 < ohsix> wtf, something disabled write caching; all better
2016-03-21T06:32:26 < jadew> heh
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2016-03-21T06:48:37 < dongs> https://www.scambook.com/search/reports/p/
2016-03-21T06:49:31 < ohsix> k it wasn't the write caching, it only worked well for a few minutes
2016-03-21T06:49:42 < ohsix> gg something auto tuning
2016-03-21T06:50:14 < jadew> Jim omg?
2016-03-21T06:51:05 < ohsix> looks legit
2016-03-21T06:56:23 < ohsix> how are you supposed to get visibility into this stuff on windows
2016-03-21T06:57:48 < jadew> ohsix, into the network issue?
2016-03-21T06:58:23 < jadew> you can look at the event viewer for errors, if you don't find anything there, wireshark
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2016-03-21T07:07:35 < ohsix> just performance numbers, find out what is limiting it
2016-03-21T07:08:14 < ohsix> the internet just has a random list of shit to enable or disable to fix it, like nobody actually figured out what it is
2016-03-21T07:09:06 < jadew> well, event viewer and then wireshark, but you'll need to a good example too
2016-03-21T07:09:10 < jadew> so you can compare
2016-03-21T07:09:49 < jadew> is it possible that samba is using a different/older protocol?
2016-03-21T07:10:11 < jadew> one that windows supports for legacy reasons?
2016-03-21T07:10:29 < ohsix> that wouldn't explain why i got 50MB/s shortly after i reenabled the write cache
2016-03-21T07:10:46 < ohsix> it's going to be something self adjusting that got reset by whatever that ended up doing
2016-03-21T07:11:37 < jadew> it's doing it again?
2016-03-21T07:11:46 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-21T07:11:52 < jadew> it's your disk
2016-03-21T07:12:17 < jadew> if you stop for a while (with cache enabled) and then start again
2016-03-21T07:12:28 < ohsix> it's not, io from the host is completely the same no matter what the network is doing
2016-03-21T07:12:37 < jadew> yeah
2016-03-21T07:12:44 < jadew> but if the cache is getting filled
2016-03-21T07:12:53 < jadew> it will end up waiting for the disk again
2016-03-21T07:13:11 < ohsix> ic what you're saying, not the disk cache, but the 'disk cache'
2016-03-21T07:13:24 < ohsix> but the speed on the host isn't changing
2016-03-21T07:13:50 < ohsix> i know samba does some weird stuff behind the scenes and has its own heap and stuff but i already embiggened that ages ago when connections were outright failing
2016-03-21T07:14:52 < ohsix> just seems dumb there aren't tools to administrate this stuff and rule things out
2016-03-21T07:15:05 < jadew> you can check the performance monitor
2016-03-21T07:15:13 < ohsix> i've been watching it the whole time
2016-03-21T07:15:24 < jadew> also you can enable kernel times in the task manager
2016-03-21T07:15:25 < ohsix> short of adding smb specific counters that don't look like they'll be directly relevant
2016-03-21T07:15:33 < jadew> and see how long the wait times are
2016-03-21T07:15:55 < jadew> if the CPU spends a lot of time on the hardware... it's proably the hardware
2016-03-21T07:16:10 < jadew> would be interesting to check the wait times on the linux machine too
2016-03-21T07:16:35 < ohsix> yea pretty much just looking for samba visibility though, i've tried across several drives and both directions and stuff
2016-03-21T07:17:28 < ohsix> fair enough if it doesn't exist
2016-03-21T07:17:40 < jadew> wait, it's not visible anymore now?
2016-03-21T07:18:07 < ohsix> no, the problem is visible, i'm trying to find a tool that is for administering samba that will give me information about performance qualifications
2016-03-21T07:18:31 < ohsix> rather than a/b every random thing people have said has helped on the internet
2016-03-21T07:18:55 < ohsix> across other protocols it's fine
2016-03-21T07:19:02 < jadew> well, did you check the kernel times?
2016-03-21T07:19:10 < jadew> the writing happens on the windows machine, right?
2016-03-21T07:19:22 < ohsix> yes
2016-03-21T07:19:48 < jadew> so check the kernel times from the task manager and if they're high, it means the bottleneck is with the hardware (most likely the drive)
2016-03-21T07:19:50 < ohsix> response times for the volumes i've tested with are low
2016-03-21T07:20:02 < jadew> if they're not high, then it's something else
2016-03-21T07:20:54 < jadew> at least you'd know in which direction to look
2016-03-21T07:21:00 < ohsix> it's working at the moment, will let it go until it breaks again
2016-03-21T07:21:21 < ohsix> another thing is i don't want to do a bunch of stupid shit that i'll have to keep a list of and undo
2016-03-21T07:21:30 < jadew> I know
2016-03-21T07:22:02 < ohsix> haha waaat
2016-03-21T07:22:11 < jadew> what happened?
2016-03-21T07:22:18 < ohsix> sec verifying
2016-03-21T07:22:37 < ohsix> if youtube is playing it is slow
2016-03-21T07:22:39 < ohsix> recovers quick
2016-03-21T07:22:54 < ohsix> now i don't think the receive side scaling thing is 'random'
2016-03-21T07:23:15 < ohsix> it's adjusting for the GBP of youtube, rtt*whatever; and the lan is eating shit cuz it's so fast/close
2016-03-21T07:24:08 < jadew> is it writing to the same drive?
2016-03-21T07:24:08 < ohsix> it sure makes youtub as fast as it can be tho
2016-03-21T07:24:11 < ohsix> nope
2016-03-21T07:24:20 < jadew> interesting
2016-03-21T07:24:34 < jadew> so... not an issue then?
2016-03-21T07:24:45 < jadew> what windows version?
2016-03-21T07:24:59 < jadew> if it's actually a feature you can probably turn it off
2016-03-21T07:26:38 < ohsix> k
2016-03-21T07:26:43 < ohsix> it was receive side scaling
2016-03-21T07:27:02 < ohsix> the internet has a larger effect than i like on network traffic, but it's much better
2016-03-21T07:27:13 < ohsix> netsh interface tcp set global rss=disabled
2016-03-21T07:27:54 < ohsix> AND the disk cache stuff was a red herring
2016-03-21T07:27:59 < ohsix> i just happened to pause youtube for something else
2016-03-21T07:28:01 < jadew> yeah
2016-03-21T07:28:29 < ohsix> actually the diff with youtube or not now could be down to crappy switch, looks good
2016-03-21T07:29:17 < ohsix> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff556942(v=vs.85).aspx it doesn't seem like this should mess with anything like that D:
2016-03-21T07:31:49 < ohsix> hm there are a bunch of default probes that use wmi in the performance monitor
2016-03-21T07:33:50 < dongs> hey autism6, what does this have to do with stm32?
2016-03-21T07:34:00 < ohsix> performance -> reports -> system is pretty cool; i kn ew about some of this stuff but never remember to look at it
2016-03-21T07:34:07 < ohsix> there's a list of files causing most disk ios in there
2016-03-21T07:34:37 < ohsix> i'm not around people who use windows, sorry; just thought someone might know
2016-03-21T07:34:56 < ohsix> and someone replied so i just followed up while i dicked with it
2016-03-21T07:35:26 < ohsix> dongs: gigabutt usb2 adapter is def worth it if you only have 100
2016-03-21T07:36:09 < ohsix> get 9MB/s ish or something over 100mb, 50MB/s over 1000mb, usb2 will probably do 22MB/s
2016-03-21T07:39:08 < ohsix> winders is apparentlly checking smart status via wmi all the time by default now
2016-03-21T07:39:24 < ohsix> you can add another data collector for different parameters
2016-03-21T07:41:24 < Lemming> https://goo.gl/photos/3Q8VZiR3RnwTKqDK7 <--- tehehe
2016-03-21T07:43:25 < jadew> I'm off to bed, night
2016-03-21T07:43:30 < ohsix> cya, thanks
2016-03-21T07:44:19 < ohsix> yeaaa word now it's going gr8, everything is going fast enough over the network t hat the things that should be using lots of cpu are
2016-03-21T07:47:12 < ohsix> nngh linux needs something like wmi; this is the first ti'me i've noticed how much they use it for local stuff, but it's all accessible over the network/on the domain, you could know about health and disk status and stuff all over your operation
2016-03-21T08:02:03 < ohsix> ic
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2016-03-21T08:29:23 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/ki69Mms
2016-03-21T08:29:55 < aandrew> is there a better way to do that? trying to light an LED from a signal going low where that signal's high voltage might be as low as 1.5V
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2016-03-21T08:31:45 < jpa-> aandrew: do you have to worry about power consumption?
2016-03-21T08:31:47 < ohsix> is the voltage relevant?
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2016-03-21T08:32:10 < ohsix> that's how you'd do it but i dunno why you'd need to pull down 3v3 and vbus to do it
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2016-03-21T08:32:27 < jpa-> if power consumption does not matter, you can put:    V+ - (resistor) - (led) - ground   and then put the transistor in parallel with the led
2016-03-21T08:32:46 < aandrew> jpa-: not really; if VBUS isn't there then I only ever see 330uA across the 10k pullup
2016-03-21T08:33:04 < aandrew> ohsix: only that if it was a high enough voltage I could get away without needing the second fet
2016-03-21T08:33:29 < aandrew> jpa-: ah, yes that'd work (short out the LED)
2016-03-21T08:33:32 < jpa-> yeah
2016-03-21T08:34:10 < jpa-> and if it is difficult to find FET with low enough Vgs_th, you can always use some NPN transistor
2016-03-21T08:34:33 < aandrew> nah the Vgs isn't a problem at all
2016-03-21T08:34:38 < jpa-> yeah
2016-03-21T08:34:49 < aandrew> first version of this just used a p-chan and the LEDs woudl never go out because the fet was never off :-)
2016-03-21T08:42:51 < ohsix> hur after all that setup, other computer is roughly twice as fast
2016-03-21T08:43:54 < ohsix> need to massively automate this crap and stop f'in around
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2016-03-21T10:28:32 < Steffanx> One pumps there too?
2016-03-21T10:50:25 < PeterM> i sent about 20 pumps to the graveyard over the weekend, price of copper isn't worth takign htem to a recycler.
2016-03-21T10:50:46 < zyp> so what's all this pumping you're talking about?
2016-03-21T10:52:05 < PeterM> i have no idea what he means, i can only assume it is something sexual in nature
2016-03-21T10:57:11 < dongs> pumping = retarded trolling without a pause
2016-03-21T10:58:11 < PeterM> is the meaning of trolling in that sentence like real trolling, or more "blogging"
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2016-03-21T11:12:46 < dongs> so fucking pissed today, time to check out free lancer
2016-03-21T11:12:59 < zyp> haha
2016-03-21T11:13:23 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/product-development-design/
2016-03-21T11:13:27 < dongs> dickstarter in reverse
2016-03-21T11:14:05 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Project-for-Digital-CMOS-VLSI/
2016-03-21T11:14:06 < dongs> ok
2016-03-21T11:14:42 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Mobile-Phone/Expert-Kernel-mobile-programming/ god damn when will this fuckerface give up
2016-03-21T11:14:58 < dongs> i saw his CAPACITATIVE FARED KERNEL shit for like 3 weeks straight
2016-03-21T11:15:15 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/expert-needed-for-advice-tuning/ oh look proj4zyp
2016-03-21T11:15:40 < dongs> you even have a VNA
2016-03-21T11:15:52 < zyp> haha, true
2016-03-21T11:16:00 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Finish-developing-innovated-cannabis/
2016-03-21T11:16:03 < dongs> loool
2016-03-21T11:16:06 < dongs> > innovated cannabis product
2016-03-21T11:17:55 < PeterM> more like innervated cannabis project
2016-03-21T11:18:09 < dongs> all cannabis projcs to peterm
2016-03-21T11:19:05 < dongs> made footprint for that ISL part
2016-03-21T11:19:11 < dongs> thats how much I got done today.
2016-03-21T11:19:19 < dongs> between yelling at chinks over hte phone
2016-03-21T11:19:22 < dongs> and assburgering
2016-03-21T11:25:16 < dongs> this fuckface supplier is like "yes we had shit ready on march 4th." so shit gets paid. they dont even bother checking that they were paid until i fucking bump their email like 5 times. "oh, yes we got paid, we will prepare asap" (waht happen to it being prepared on 4th, cunts. this morning they shit out "we sent it by EMS because by DHL it was too expensive and EMS is same speed anyway".
2016-03-21T11:25:41 < dongs> never mind that they were paid for DHL and not for "arrive a month later" shit
2016-03-21T11:25:44 < dongs> fucking kikes
2016-03-21T11:26:17 < zyp> haha
2016-03-21T11:26:19 < dongs> except i have DHL delivered in 24 hours from pickup to arriving
2016-03-21T11:26:27 < dongs> and faggot china EMS hasnt even fucking left china yet (duh)
2016-03-21T11:26:37 < zyp> I get pissed off when they do the opposite
2016-03-21T11:26:44 < zyp> because I hate dealing with DHL fuckups
2016-03-21T11:27:24 < zyp> I think I specified fedex when I bought ebike shit
2016-03-21T11:27:48 < dongs> and then another cunt shipped shit last week (also like a week late despite "being ready" and begging to get paid non-stop until getting paid, then went into silence for a week)
2016-03-21T11:27:58 < dongs> so it fucking arrives to customer
2016-03-21T11:28:00 < dongs> half the shit is missing
2016-03-21T11:28:06 < dongs> "OH SORRY MY WORKER FORGOT IT IN THE WAREHOUSE"
2016-03-21T11:28:12 < zyp> they spent over a week assembling the fucking battery, and shipped it with DHL
2016-03-21T11:28:57 < dongs> dumb fucking chinks, chinagirl is like the only chink who actually gets shit done properly
2016-03-21T11:29:01 < dongs> the rest are slimy lying fucks
2016-03-21T11:29:17 < dongs> with *ALWAYS* excuses
2016-03-21T11:32:31 < PeterM> yes, i have one too, except mine has a penis and has more questionable packaging methods
2016-03-21T11:33:30 < dongs> i have one wiht a penis too, hes also a slimy fuck
2016-03-21T11:33:36 < dongs> overcharges on shipping and shit
2016-03-21T11:33:47 < dongs> BUT i can order him to go to HK and pick shit up for me from time to time so its okay
2016-03-21T11:34:11 < dongs> but stopped using him for regular shit cuz he started checking digikey and just trying to sell me shit @ 100 qty prices
2016-03-21T11:34:49 < zyp> haha
2016-03-21T11:34:54 < PeterM> lol
2016-03-21T11:36:25 < PeterM> mine isn't bad, prices are good, but bascially only does components, nothing mechanical (swithces, battery holders, cases, etc)
2016-03-21T11:38:56 < PeterM> dongs i dunno if oyur china girl does this but does she suggest parts others are using that are equivilent spec but are cheaper in .cn?
2016-03-21T11:39:09 < dongs> only if I push around
2016-03-21T11:40:19 < dongs> i think some people at hteir office know possible substitutes but a lot of my shit is just specific so it cant be replaced
2016-03-21T11:40:29 < dongs> but like few days ago I got suggested some cehapass spi eeprom
2016-03-21T11:40:31 < dongs> from AMAZINGTECH
2016-03-21T11:40:36 < dongs> instead of yanno some winbond or other legit shit
2016-03-21T11:41:38 < PeterM> or likethe only thing atmel can make decently
2016-03-21T11:46:29 < dongs> now NXP will make sure they don't do that, either
2016-03-21T11:46:36 < dongs> so eh
2016-03-21T11:46:42 < dongs> that MODE pin is buried in 0.4mm ballz
2016-03-21T11:46:48 < dongs> im just gonna stick it to ground for FORCED PWM operation
2016-03-21T11:46:51 < dongs> amirite? haha
2016-03-21T11:47:11 < PeterM> pretty much
2016-03-21T11:48:01 < PeterM> but it is only one ball deep so you can still route it out
2016-03-21T11:48:59 < PeterM> iirc it offers more efficiency but output is noisier af
2016-03-21T11:49:24 < dongs> PFM mdoe y ou mean?
2016-03-21T11:49:33 < PeterM> yer
2016-03-21T11:49:53 < PeterM> you probably dont care about it in your baggins though
2016-03-21T11:50:00 < dongs> nope
2016-03-21T11:50:07 < dongs> vapers dont give a fuck
2016-03-21T11:50:10 < dongs> or dildo users
2016-03-21T11:50:11 < dongs> i mean
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2016-03-21T12:29:13 < dongs> go pump off
2016-03-21T12:30:09 < dongs> wasting time
2016-03-21T12:31:45 < PeterM> dongs /www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_z8wuue4rQ
2016-03-21T12:31:57 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_z8wuue4rQ
2016-03-21T12:32:03 < PeterM> minus the leading slash
2016-03-21T12:34:52 < PeterM> nah
2016-03-21T12:39:33 < dongs> fuck
2016-03-21T12:39:39 < dongs> ever tried to g et a bugger off a lCD panel?
2016-03-21T12:39:56 < dongs> it just keeps fucking rolling around
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2016-03-21T12:39:59 < dongs> and i cant grab it
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2016-03-21T14:02:34 < ColdKeyboard> STM32 usb cusom hid example has tons of custom descriptors for LEDs and buttons. But the maximum report size seems to be limited to 2 bytes. How do I increase the limit?
2016-03-21T14:02:54 < ColdKeyboard> Add new descriptor, change existing or something else?
2016-03-21T14:04:39 < zyp> report size is only limited by endpoint size
2016-03-21T14:05:04 < zyp> and endpoint size is limited to max 64 bytes on FS USB
2016-03-21T14:06:50 < ColdKeyboard> http://pastie.org/10768549
2016-03-21T14:06:59 < ColdKeyboard> This is the custom report that I have
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2016-03-21T14:08:14 < zyp> ah, output reports are sent over the control endpoint, so those aren't even limited by endpoint size
2016-03-21T14:08:33 < zyp> well, at least if you don't make a dedicated out endpoint for it
2016-03-21T14:09:08 < ColdKeyboard> Since I can only send 2 bytes, when I send 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 the device recieves data. But when I try to send 0x05 it's like the command is dropped
2016-03-21T14:09:41 < ColdKeyboard> Now I would like to increase the report size to 14bytes, so the first bytes is always 0x00 and then the rest is data that I will use
2016-03-21T14:09:57 < ColdKeyboard> But since I'm noob when it comes to USB, I have no clue what should I change :\
2016-03-21T14:10:21 < ColdKeyboard> http://pastie.org/10768552
2016-03-21T14:10:57 < zyp> uh, report 5 is pretty messed up
2016-03-21T14:11:06 < ColdKeyboard> This is the custom HID configuration descriptor. I changed changing HID_OUT_PACKET,	/* wMaxPacketSize: 2 Bytes max  */ to values like 0x0D or something like that but it doesn't work :\
2016-03-21T14:11:07 < zyp> you're mixing output and feature elements
2016-03-21T14:11:50 < zyp> ah, HID_OUT_PACKET is indeed what you have to change
2016-03-21T14:12:33 < ColdKeyboard> I changed that value to 10, 15, 16 but after compiling, the software doesn't see the device anymore. It's connected but I can't communicate with it :\
2016-03-21T14:12:35 < zyp> and remember to make sure that the hardware endpoint config matches the descriptor
2016-03-21T14:12:56 < dongs> zyp,m what do you think of http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/MFRC522.pdf
2016-03-21T14:13:00 < dongs> is it y/n/mare vs that ST part?
2016-03-21T14:13:09 < dongs> or is it shit cuz its only mifare or whatever
2016-03-21T14:13:15 < zyp> for what purpose?
2016-03-21T14:13:21 < dongs> rfid purpose
2016-03-21T14:13:24 < ColdKeyboard> Mmmmm, I guess I have to find that too
2016-03-21T14:13:55 < zyp> that thing apparently does 14443A only, so it's useless if you need to do anything else
2016-03-21T14:14:36 < zyp> but most shit is 14443A
2016-03-21T14:15:21 < ColdKeyboard> zyp I changed   HID_OUT_PACKET to 0x0F,	/* wMaxPacketSize: 15 Bytes max  */
2016-03-21T14:15:42 < ColdKeyboard> Where do I find hardware endpoint? And is there just one or many?
2016-03-21T14:15:58 < zyp> idk, I don't know ST USB stack
2016-03-21T14:16:39 < ColdKeyboard> I don't mean literally where but a hint to what I'm looking for? :)
2016-03-21T14:18:19 < zyp> for all i know, it might be read from that descriptor, so there might not even be a second point to set it
2016-03-21T14:19:46 < ColdKeyboard> "An unknown item was found in the report descriptor."
2016-03-21T14:19:49 < ColdKeyboard> Dammit :(
2016-03-21T14:20:41 < ColdKeyboard> Ah well, I'll go bang my head aginst the wall a bit more. Then start reading USB in a nutshell...
2016-03-21T14:20:46 < ColdKeyboard> Thank you very much zyp!
2016-03-21T14:20:48 < zyp> dongs, looks like it does mifare classic as well
2016-03-21T14:21:00 < zyp> that's probably the only advantage it got
2016-03-21T14:21:08 < zyp> apart from price, I guess
2016-03-21T14:21:26 < dongs> ok. iduno what they wanna use the shit for
2016-03-21T14:21:33 < zyp> ColdKeyboard, yes, I told you your hid descriptor was messed up
2016-03-21T14:21:35 < dongs> its for that lcd panel thing wiht rfid antenna around it
2016-03-21T14:21:51 < zyp> ah
2016-03-21T14:22:10 < zyp> I think ST95HF does pretty much everything except mifare classic
2016-03-21T14:22:36 < zyp> because mifare classic uses some retarded lowlevel crypto shit that needs lowlevel hardware support
2016-03-21T14:23:03 < ColdKeyboard> dongs I've used that chip on one of the dev board I got. It worked fine for me with the mifare cards I got. Altough I didn't use it for very long.
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2016-03-21T14:23:15 < ColdKeyboard> crt You need it or you have some better suggestion? :)
2016-03-21T14:25:22 < ColdKeyboard> Try looking at http://bookzz.org/ :)
2016-03-21T14:26:41 < ColdKeyboard> Btw is there an easy way to calculate the array lenght than counting byte-by-byte in IDE?
2016-03-21T14:26:58 < zyp> sizeof(array)? :)
2016-03-21T14:27:10 < ColdKeyboard> I need to define how long is my descriptor in bytes. And since I changed it, a lot I would need to recount it :\
2016-03-21T14:27:31 < zyp> yeah, use sizeof()
2016-03-21T14:27:31 < lorenzo> count the commas
2016-03-21T14:27:32 < lorenzo> lol
2016-03-21T14:27:52 < dongs> use C++11 and zyp's templates
2016-03-21T14:27:57 < Thorn> count hex digits, divide by 2
2016-03-21T14:28:04 < dongs> he did some crazy shit where hje just writes "OMG USB" and it just works.
2016-03-21T14:28:28 < zyp> I still need to use sizeof :p
2016-03-21T14:28:33 < dongs> oh?
2016-03-21T14:28:36 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/main.cpp#n174 <- there
2016-03-21T14:28:58 < dongs> ea the shite above
2016-03-21T14:28:59 < dongs> 164+
2016-03-21T14:29:00 < zyp> desc_t is some simple size + void pointer struct
2016-03-21T14:29:10 < dongs> thats th e magic shit
2016-03-21T14:29:27 < zyp> yeah
2016-03-21T14:29:55 < zyp> it's a lot more readable (and editable) than a messy byte-array
2016-03-21T14:30:01 < dongs> ..
2016-03-21T14:30:05 < dongs> is that entire code for arcin
2016-03-21T14:30:34 < zyp> for stable branch, yes, excluding bootloader
2016-03-21T14:30:59 < zyp> got this other branch with configuration shit and a bunch of optional features
2016-03-21T14:32:08 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/arcin?h=conf <- this shit
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2016-03-21T14:33:15 < dongs> oh, leds.
2016-03-21T14:35:18 < zyp> crt, HID IO adapter
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2016-03-21T14:39:29 < zyp> I made it to solve a need
2016-03-21T14:39:47 < zyp> and then I figured other people had the same need, so now I've sold half a thousand of those
2016-03-21T14:40:55 < zyp> hmm, I've lost count of whether the last batch were the sixth or seventh
2016-03-21T14:47:07 < zyp> hmm, seventh if I'm counting right
2016-03-21T14:47:44 < zyp> crt, home use, mostly
2016-03-21T14:49:13 < zyp> http://imgur.com/a/bDY6k <- like this shit, that's a friend of mine
2016-03-21T14:52:12 < zyp> there's arcin boards in all the button controllers there, except the x-arcade thing
2016-03-21T14:53:23 < dongs> over  9000 NOKs
2016-03-21T14:53:38 < zyp> I sell them for $50/ea shipped
2016-03-21T14:54:14 < dongs> haha, i have burnin on the 0.96" oled
2016-03-21T14:54:27 < dongs> those bi-color shits
2016-03-21T14:54:42 < zyp> that covers production, fees, bad yield, shipping and everything with enough left over to make it worth my time
2016-03-21T14:54:43 < dongs> i had left one running for weeks displaying ~same shit and now im showing something else on it and i can see dark outline of previous shit
2016-03-21T14:54:47 < zyp> dongs, haha
2016-03-21T14:55:57 < zyp> I should make sure that won't happen with the shit I'll be making
2016-03-21T14:56:17 < dongs> indeed, if thats the shit you plan on using
2016-03-21T14:56:21 < dongs> oled sux: confirmed
2016-03-21T14:56:27 < zyp> I was thinking about doing RGB
2016-03-21T14:56:38 < dongs> just do one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/200971182733
2016-03-21T14:56:39 < zyp> but I guess it'll have the same issues
2016-03-21T14:56:44 < dongs> rgb what?
2016-03-21T14:56:49 < dongs> oh, you mean color oled
2016-03-21T14:57:07 < zyp> yes
2016-03-21T14:57:14 < zyp> that ssd1331 thing
2016-03-21T14:57:22 < zyp> I bought the waveshare board
2016-03-21T14:57:27 < zyp> to dick around with
2016-03-21T14:58:00 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/nTVo8.JPG
2016-03-21T14:58:14 < mitrax> dongs: have you tried those?
2016-03-21T14:58:19 < zyp> also 0.96"
2016-03-21T14:58:34 < dongs> mitrax: the round thing? no but its just a round tft
2016-03-21T14:58:34 < jpa-> will we have zypGFX soon?
2016-03-21T14:58:43 < dongs> c++11gfx
2016-03-21T14:58:49 < zyp> haha
2016-03-21T14:59:11 < zyp> I'll probably make some simple display list API for that
2016-03-21T15:00:06 < jpa-> please do :)
2016-03-21T15:00:12 < zyp> I talked to Tectu about using ugfx, but the only parts of ugfx that would be useful is stuff that I could write from scratch just as fast
2016-03-21T15:00:42 < zyp> the entire widget thing is too heavy, not suited for small screens
2016-03-21T15:00:56 < jpa-> and mostly relevant for touchscreens only anyway
2016-03-21T15:01:07 < zyp> that too
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2016-03-21T15:02:41 < jpa-> but how will you render blurry antialised æ
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2016-03-21T15:03:22 < zyp> I was thinking about a hierarchical structure of components, so that when something needs to be redrawn, I only need to redraw the stuff under that point
2016-03-21T15:04:32 < jpa-> makes sense
2016-03-21T15:04:55 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/dso-quad-logic/tree/master/gui   "quick, everyone show your displaylist renderers"
2016-03-21T15:05:06 < zyp> then again, the display is small and fast, and I'm not going to be doing any fancy animations
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2016-03-21T15:05:42 < zyp> so redrawing everything is okay too
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2016-03-21T15:07:25 < zyp> ah, you're doing line drawing
2016-03-21T15:07:52 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1sk0SMg1PI retweet
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2016-03-21T15:08:25 < zyp> useful when your display needs the data in sequential order and you don't have enough memory for a framebuffer
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2016-03-21T15:10:06 < zyp> but I'm not going to care about that, ssd1331 can do windowed writes, so I'm just gonna build on draw_rect() or whatever
2016-03-21T15:10:22 < zyp> that's how my text printing works
2016-03-21T15:11:49 < mitrax> i have yet to find a name for my shit that doesn't end with "gfx"
2016-03-21T15:12:00 < dongs> dongs
2016-03-21T15:12:38 < mitrax> ahah
2016-03-21T15:13:56 < dongs> found kikemir's pastime
2016-03-21T15:13:56 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/KpjGT
2016-03-21T15:15:04 < dongs> in finland, yes.
2016-03-21T15:15:09 < jpa-> zyp: the display there can do windowed writes also, but doing it line-by-line lets me avoid tearing & flicker
2016-03-21T15:15:12 < dongs> fucking weebs
2016-03-21T15:15:32 < dongs> jpa, tell me more. how does that "help"
2016-03-21T15:17:54 < zyp> I'd probably use a framebuffer if I cared about that
2016-03-21T15:17:58 < jpa-> dongs: well, the TFT controller will be refreshing the panel line-by-line; usually one can read out e.g. when it is done refreshing line 1; then you can run "behind it" to draw the next display frame and avoid showing any half updates on the screen
2016-03-21T15:18:02 < zyp> assuming I could fit it :)
2016-03-21T15:18:41 < jpa-> whereas if you just draw random areas to screen then you'll always show some partial updates sometimes
2016-03-21T15:19:08 < jpa-> (which doesn't matter much if you still only draw each area only once; but if you do something like "clear background, draw text" it becomes flickery)
2016-03-21T15:22:00 < dongs> hm.
2016-03-21T15:22:11 < dongs> really you can know when lcd finished updating?
2016-03-21T15:22:34 < zyp> ssd1331 documents some signal for that, but it's not broken out on breakout board
2016-03-21T15:22:37 < dongs> i dont remember seeing somethin like that but I didnt look really
2016-03-21T15:22:38 < dongs> ah
2016-03-21T15:24:02 < zyp> datasheet says that a slow mcu should start writing right after a refresh cycle has started so it'll be running behind it, while a fast mcu should start writing right before a refresh cycle start and run in front of it
2016-03-21T15:30:26 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/STM-microcontroller-based-circuit-design/
2016-03-21T15:30:30 < dongs> > 407
2016-03-21T15:30:30 < dongs> > small as possible
2016-03-21T15:30:45 < mitrax> geez ST.com is slooow
2016-03-21T15:32:31 < zyp> 407 is available in qfp64, no?
2016-03-21T15:32:40 < zyp> or do you have to do 405 to get that small?
2016-03-21T15:33:05 < Sync> yeah dongs should have used kinetis aids
2016-03-21T15:34:18 < jpa-> zyp: many of those have both signal and a command, and the command can be used to poll vsync even if signal is not connected
2016-03-21T15:35:36 < zyp> the ssd1331 breakout I got can't even read anything
2016-03-21T15:35:40 < dongs> zyp, should be ok in 64qfp
2016-03-21T15:35:52 < dongs> ohh, i guess maybe he could use one of those dumbBGA 0.5mm pitch versions of 407
2016-03-21T15:36:10 < zyp> haha
2016-03-21T15:36:12 < dongs> 10x10...
2016-03-21T15:36:15 < dongs> and no
2016-03-21T15:36:15 < zyp> wlcsp90?
2016-03-21T15:36:21 < dongs> looks like 407 is lqfp100 minimnum
2016-03-21T15:36:26 < zyp> right
2016-03-21T15:36:33 < dongs> there's 176ufbga
2016-03-21T15:36:37 < dongs> but it s10x10
2016-03-21T15:36:48 < dongs> and not even stock
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2016-03-21T15:37:44 < dongs> 0.65mm pitch for 176
2016-03-21T15:37:52 < dongs> barely routable 2 outer balls
2016-03-21T15:37:57 < dongs> beyond that fuck off
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2016-03-21T15:42:36 < dongs> could take that proj just for hte lulz for cheap, get accepted, actually make like 6layer bga board with microvias
2016-03-21T15:42:42 < dongs> and then demand paymenet cuz done
2016-03-21T15:42:55 < dongs> then watch that fuck from srilanka try to get it fabbed
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2016-03-21T15:44:00 < zyp> I'm modifying some 8L workstuff now
2016-03-21T15:44:18 < zyp> a bit amusing how they've got eight layers, and five of them are mostly/all polygons
2016-03-21T15:44:23 < dongs> yeah
2016-03-21T15:44:26 < dongs> typical
2016-03-21T15:44:44 < dongs> bonus points: do 6L in kikecad
2016-03-21T15:44:48 < dongs> so he cant even change iet later.
2016-03-21T15:45:41 < zyp> there's three routing layers here, plus some DDR3 shit in fourth routing layer that they couldn't fit in the others
2016-03-21T15:46:04 < dongs> chinaddr routing is only 2 layers + pwr
2016-03-21T15:46:22 < dongs> top/bottom only
2016-03-21T15:47:04 < zyp> also three ground planes
2016-03-21T15:47:43 < dongs> my altidong propal told me today he doesnt use grid ever
2016-03-21T15:47:52 < dongs> i zoomed in ona couple of his designs and everything is like randomly offset
2016-03-21T15:47:54 < zyp> haha
2016-03-21T15:48:16 < dongs> might as well just use eagle
2016-03-21T15:48:21 < zyp> not enough OCD
2016-03-21T15:48:27 < dongs> yeah definitely
2016-03-21T15:48:35 < dongs> i spend a shitload of time mkaing all the Rs and stuff aligned
2016-03-21T15:48:53 < zyp> kinda glad I'm not touching the DDR3 part on this board
2016-03-21T15:49:22 < zyp> just redoing everything around the SoC+memory part
2016-03-21T15:49:42 < dongs> wats wrong wiht it?
2016-03-21T15:50:44 < zyp> previous design was a prototype based on a reference design, with board to board connectors for power supply and shit
2016-03-21T15:51:17 < zyp> and now they want me to redesign to fit application form factor
2016-03-21T15:51:30 < zyp> which includes a huge hole in the middle of the board
2016-03-21T15:51:59 < qyx>  /win 9
2016-03-21T15:52:06 < qyx> er
2016-03-21T15:52:18 < dongs> alt-9 dude
2016-03-21T15:52:33 < zyp> or esc-9
2016-03-21T15:52:34 < dongs> or esc-9 if youre on some filthy lunix
2016-03-21T15:52:35 < dongs> y
2016-03-21T15:52:53 < zyp> idk, I'm on windows now, still use esc
2016-03-21T15:53:04 < dongs> too many keypresses
2016-03-21T15:53:13 < qyx> tablet, no alt
2016-03-21T15:53:18 < dongs> then esc
2016-03-21T15:53:21 < dongs> also, sorry to hear that
2016-03-21T15:53:34 < qyx> mhm, esc
2016-03-21T15:53:49 < qyx> works
2016-03-21T15:54:05 < dongs> its retarded how unusable microsoft touch keyboard shit is on windows/tablet/wahteer
2016-03-21T15:54:44 < dongs> they aded right click key to every fucking kjeyboard but forgot it in their soft keyboard.
2016-03-21T15:54:56 < dongs> arrow keys = if thery're there, its hidden in some shit that i havent found yet
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2016-03-21T16:01:41 < dongs> yeah, i'm going to sleepl.
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2016-03-21T16:10:17  * Laurenceb_ needs some GUI advice
2016-03-21T16:10:41 < Laurenceb_> I need some buttons to control which ADS1298 channels are enabled
2016-03-21T16:11:01 < Laurenceb_> the plot lines are colour coded... how do i do the colour coding for the buttons?
2016-03-21T16:14:00 < mitrax> have a small colored circle next to the button label on the left?
2016-03-21T16:15:19 < mitrax> unless you want a gui that looks like a fag flag ... and then color the whole buttons
2016-03-21T16:15:35 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2016-03-21T16:15:47 < Laurenceb_> I also need to indicate which channels are already enabled
2016-03-21T16:16:28 < mitrax> the buttons could stay pressed, like a toggle thing
2016-03-21T16:17:08 < Laurenceb_> could use checkbox
2016-03-21T16:17:09 < mitrax> depressed / pressed down
2016-03-21T16:17:13 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah
2016-03-21T16:17:27 < Laurenceb_> dunno how obvious that is tho
2016-03-21T16:17:35 < mitrax> pretty obvious imo
2016-03-21T16:17:55 < mitrax> checkboxes will look ugly with a color code of some sort next to them
2016-03-21T16:17:57 < Laurenceb_> heh not for perman00bs
2016-03-21T16:17:59 < zyp> dongs, heard you like FTDIs https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/Serial-Cards-Adapters/~ICUSB23216F
2016-03-21T16:18:01 < Laurenceb_> yeah I know
2016-03-21T16:18:08 < Laurenceb_> this sucks :-S
2016-03-21T16:18:12 < dongs> not obvious to mrhands
2016-03-21T16:18:17 < dongs> zyp: nice price
2016-03-21T16:18:29 < dongs> fucking startech more like scamtech
2016-03-21T16:18:32 < dongs> all their shit is always overpriced
2016-03-21T16:18:59 < zyp> it says FT232RL, I wonder if they actually got 16 of those and a 16-port hub
2016-03-21T16:19:06 < mitrax> Laurenceb: well once you click them, if they stay pressed it's self explanatory i think, now sure there are some retards but that's pretty common in many GUI, e.g every text processor with bold / italic / underlined buttons
2016-03-21T16:19:13 < dongs> zyp: yes, but not 16 port hub
2016-03-21T16:19:21 < dongs> more like 3 7-port
2016-03-21T16:19:26 < Laurenceb_> ooh I know
2016-03-21T16:19:31 < zyp> well, sure
2016-03-21T16:19:34 < Laurenceb_> button with drop down menu and ticks
2016-03-21T16:19:35 < dongs> pretty sure > 7 port doesnt exist
2016-03-21T16:19:41 < Laurenceb_> that would be pretty and usable
2016-03-21T16:21:05 < mitrax> Laurenceb: depends how many channels you have, a drop down if you have many buttons, but the drawback is tyou don't see which channel are activated without clicking there (well you do by looking at the graph but then you don't have the channel => color mapping always visible)
2016-03-21T16:21:12 < mitrax> err many buttons/ many channels
2016-03-21T16:21:34 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats a point..
2016-03-21T16:21:38 < Laurenceb_> theres 8 channel
2016-03-21T16:22:53 < mitrax> Laurenceb_: i'd have the buttons always visible then, then you don't need a legend on your graph, plus they can be small just oCHAN1 / oCHAN2 / etc.
2016-03-21T16:23:18 < Laurenceb_> yeah I guess
2016-03-21T16:23:30 < Laurenceb_> I'll have to see if i can make it look pretty
2016-03-21T16:23:50 < mitrax> Laurenceb: with a dropdown it won't be immediately obvious as to how you enable / disable them
2016-03-21T16:23:54 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-03-21T16:24:12 < Laurenceb_> I guess as everything is enabled by default it should be more explanatory
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2016-03-21T16:28:15 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/QRhrkN.png
2016-03-21T16:28:27 < mitrax> ahahah
2016-03-21T16:30:19 < dongs>  FedEx International Priority	$0.00
2016-03-21T16:30:19 < dongs>  UPS Worldwide Express Saver	$50.00
2016-03-21T16:30:20 < dongs>  DHL International Express	$0.00
2016-03-21T16:30:23 < dongs> nice new choice on mouser
2016-03-21T16:31:34 < dongs> ordered.
2016-03-21T16:31:36 < dongs> yay.
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2016-03-21T16:34:34 < kakimir> what have you done dongs?
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2016-03-21T17:19:37 < Lux> any ideas how i can view an orcad pcb file with some free tools?
2016-03-21T17:19:42 < Lux> or in altium
2016-03-21T17:22:08 < zyp> orcad doesn't have a free viewer?
2016-03-21T17:25:26 < kakimir> https://sourceforge.net/projects/edif2kicad/
2016-03-21T17:25:38 < kakimir> google: orcad to kicad
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2016-03-21T17:44:13 < kakimir> can you contact persons in github?
2016-03-21T17:44:44 < kakimir> if you register account
2016-03-21T17:45:09 < jpa-> you can make issues / pull reqs on projects, and see if the user has public email address visible
2016-03-21T17:46:06 < kakimir> what is the pull request?
2016-03-21T17:46:18 < lorenzo> kakimir: clone the repo and look for email in commit log
2016-03-21T17:46:39 < jpa-> (though git commit addresses get such a lot of spam that it might not be going through)
2016-03-21T17:51:32 < PaulFertser> kakimir: btw, github "pull request" is not the same as "pull request" as described by the official Git docs, beware.
2016-03-21T17:53:35 < kakimir> I don't know what pull request is
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2016-03-21T18:08:24 < rewolff> Pull request is "git talk" for "dear maintainer, I've got a patch you might want to include in your source"
2016-03-21T18:09:17 < kakimir> hah
2016-03-21T18:24:07 < c10ud^> yo
2016-03-21T18:24:17 < c10ud^> do you have chinagirl for 32" touch panels?
2016-03-21T18:24:25 < c10ud^> just panel, no lcd
2016-03-21T18:24:55 < kakimir> dongs is sleepin
2016-03-21T18:25:09 < c10ud^> i see
2016-03-21T18:25:56 < kakimir> he comes back in around 8hours
2016-03-21T18:26:16 < c10ud^> kthx
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2016-03-21T18:50:20 < owl-v-> soon~~ apple keynote!!
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2016-03-21T18:54:37 < mitrax> *yawn*
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2016-03-21T19:06:25 < kakimir> I wonder if there is some programs that would create flow charts out of assembly code
2016-03-21T19:11:02 < Laurenceb_> lul http://nypost.com/2015/08/18/kkk-member-built-death-ray-machine-to-kill-muslims-and-obama-prosecutors-say/
2016-03-21T19:11:14 < Sync> noice
2016-03-21T19:11:55 < kakimir> such genious
2016-03-21T19:12:30 < kakimir> do secret service has sensors for xrays and radiations?
2016-03-21T19:13:05 < kakimir> I think they have now
2016-03-21T19:14:08 < kakimir> http://www.assemblyflowchart.com/
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2016-03-21T19:15:12 < kakimir> anyone happen to have paid version?
2016-03-21T19:17:50 < kakimir> c8051 assemb,y
2016-03-21T19:17:57 < kakimir> looks nice
2016-03-21T19:18:10 < kakimir> it's very simple
2016-03-21T19:25:21 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35860814
2016-03-21T19:25:28 < Laurenceb_> the next zano
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2016-03-21T20:17:58 < Steffanx> Is "To Zano" already in the oxford or cambridge dictionary Laurenceb_?
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2016-03-21T20:18:58 < Laurenceb_> not yet but it should be
2016-03-21T20:21:15 < Rob235> anyone familiar with the reprap prusa i3?
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2016-03-21T20:29:38 < XTL> Not yet
2016-03-21T20:29:59 < XTL> I looked at one a bit since our hackerspace got one
2016-03-21T20:30:30 < Rob235> thinking about getting one as my first printer
2016-03-21T20:34:27 < XTL> Might be a very nice choice from what I hear
2016-03-21T20:36:00 < Rob235> I keep hearing good things too.  Just have to decide which kit to get.  I'm not paying $600 for the original when I can get a kit for $350 + some added headache I'm sure
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2016-03-21T20:38:47 < Steffanx> Obama care isnt free either.
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2016-03-21T20:40:19 < Steffanx> but you already pay for that, so you should make use of it D:
2016-03-21T20:42:54 < Rob235> I used it today and got some free morphine
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2016-03-21T20:43:41 < Steffanx> yay?
2016-03-21T20:43:43 < Rob235> my scrotum was swollen and very painful for 12 hours
2016-03-21T20:43:48 < Rob235> wasn't fun
2016-03-21T20:44:02 < Steffanx> Thanks for the information.
2016-03-21T20:44:08 < Rob235> any time
2016-03-21T20:44:44 < Steffanx> Are you the new flyback?
2016-03-21T20:45:03 < Rob235> I could be
2016-03-21T20:45:12 < Rob235> Although I get the feeling that I don't want to be
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2016-03-21T20:47:00 < Rob235> and what happened to the old flyback?
2016-03-21T20:47:23 < Steffanx> is still alive and here.
2016-03-21T20:47:57 < Rob235> I figured that out when his name turned purple
2016-03-21T20:48:40 < Rob235> you are dark green if you were curious :)
2016-03-21T20:48:48 < Thorn> http://www.axidraw.com/
2016-03-21T20:48:50 < Steffanx> You are blueish.
2016-03-21T20:49:05 < Steffanx> i have a printer Thorn..
2016-03-21T20:49:10 < Steffanx> and word
2016-03-21T20:51:44 < Rob235> it's still pretty cool
2016-03-21T20:52:04 < Thorn> can your printer forge signatures?
2016-03-21T20:55:17 < Steffanx> meh
2016-03-21T20:57:02 < Steffanx> im not into that kind of business
2016-03-21T21:01:41 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2016-03-21T21:01:53 < Laurenceb_> Rob235 is chris-chan?
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2016-03-21T21:02:18 < Rob235> ?
2016-03-21T21:02:30 < Rob235> WHO AM I???
2016-03-21T21:03:24 < Steffanx> someone who has a condition Laurenceb_ is obsessed with
2016-03-21T21:03:25 < Laurenceb_> http://sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Cestnepas.jpg
2016-03-21T21:04:00 < Rob235> oh.. no
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2016-03-21T21:04:03 < Rob235> I'm skinny, not fat
2016-03-21T21:04:45 < Laurenceb_> http://sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Chrischan_cosplay.jpg
2016-03-21T21:04:47 < Laurenceb_> found you
2016-03-21T21:05:01 < Rob235> yup thats me
2016-03-21T21:05:38 < Laurenceb_> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/907/348/82f.jpg
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2016-03-21T21:06:09 < Rob235> stop giving me erections man
2016-03-21T21:06:57 < ColdKeyboard> Does anyone have experience with STM32 USB HID?
2016-03-21T21:07:18 < Steffanx> Not me.
2016-03-21T21:07:38 < ColdKeyboard> I'm trying to increase the report size from 2 bytes to 13, but whatever I do it makes no change or it crashes (Windows reports descriptors error) :\
2016-03-21T21:12:36 < Steffanx> st sores?
2016-03-21T21:13:29 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone have a suggestion how I can see usb device info? Like descriptors, report size and etc?
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2016-03-21T21:18:11 < fenugrec> ColdKeyboard lsusb ?
2016-03-21T21:18:30 < fenugrec> ColdKeyboard  and usbpcap
2016-03-21T21:18:42 < ColdKeyboard> Great, thanks!
2016-03-21T21:20:00 < Steffanx> there is the hid descriptor tool too you know? To "create, edit and validate HID Report Descriptors"
2016-03-21T21:20:07 < Steffanx> http://www.usb.org/developers/hidpage#HID Descriptor Tool
2016-03-21T21:20:54 < ColdKeyboard> Steffanx I've downloaded that tool but for some reason I cannot import existing descriptor. I have to re-create it again manually
2016-03-21T21:21:20 < ColdKeyboard> Altough, at the moment I'm more interested in checking out if my changes to the firmware config make any diferences in the device report size and descriptors :\
2016-03-21T21:21:43 < ColdKeyboard> So far, from windows device manager I've just saw that either it works with 2 bytes or reports descriptors error and that's it :\
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2016-03-21T21:27:19 < ohsix> vagina bones
2016-03-21T21:29:09 < Steffanx> Pinky finger muscle.
2016-03-21T21:29:37 < ohsix> dunno why i read some of the crap in my rss feed; people are noticing localization changes and calling it censorship
2016-03-21T21:29:51 < ohsix> (bravely second removed the vagina bones from the succubus monster)
2016-03-21T21:31:11 < Steffanx> I didnt even know what Bravely Second is, until now.
2016-03-21T21:31:43 < ohsix> people think nintendo are doing it because of their favorite past time, but they've been removing religious symbols and reworking junk like that for the west all the way back to the NES without any outside influence
2016-03-21T21:32:49 < Steffanx> Always those jappies
2016-03-21T21:33:22 < ohsix> if they didn't have all their provocative vagina bones in the monsters we'd have nothing to rage about
2016-03-21T21:34:16 < ohsix> dongs: aside from hq2x filter on day of the tentacle remastered, they have 16:9 views ascross scrolling scenes (which will ruin a few, oh well)
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2016-03-21T22:15:40 < ohsix> how do you turn a duck into a soul singer
2016-03-21T22:17:06 < ohsix> put it in the microwave until its' bill withers
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2016-03-21T22:30:01 < kakimir> need very inexpensice mcu? http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Silicon-Labs/EFM8BB10F2G-A-QFN20/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMu9ReDVvI6ax9sqO0qrXlDW4ZuhKcnb2c%252bQvyUXU1UbuQ%3d%3d
2016-03-21T22:35:31 < jadew> nice
2016-03-21T22:36:19 < kakimir> that's propably the best bang for buck there is
2016-03-21T22:41:02 < kakimir> get others in that price range you have barelly no IO, no ADC, one timer
2016-03-21T22:48:24 < Taxman> 8051...
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2016-03-21T22:49:15 < kakimir> there is nothing wrong with it
2016-03-21T22:49:42 < kakimir> for some applications cortex is just too much beef
2016-03-21T22:50:19 < Taxman> pipelined architecture... is it then 3 times faster than MCS51?
2016-03-21T22:50:50 < ohsix> if you're arguing for 8051 you could probably argue a little harder for the pic and spend 20c or something
2016-03-21T22:51:08 < Taxman> AFAIK a 12 MHZ 80C32 had around 1 MIPS, it was /12
2016-03-21T22:51:12 < ohsix> that's half the cost YO
2016-03-21T22:51:47 < Steffanx> using a 8051 wouldnt even come up in my mind :P
2016-03-21T22:52:13 < kakimir> why would you want pic?
2016-03-21T22:52:45 < ohsix> because it's half the price
2016-03-21T22:52:53 < ohsix> zomg arms are BEEF and chicken and pork
2016-03-21T22:54:20 < Steffanx> i'd rather go with http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Cypress-Semiconductor/CY8C4013SXI-400/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMu0f%252bT2bkVfusN9biAWhxH6mZjB2CkkXWo%3d or something. Only 20c more expensive
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2016-03-21T22:54:50 < ohsix> there's an arm thing in an 8 pin thing from freescale or something that's 50c
2016-03-21T22:55:07 < ohsix> or that
2016-03-21T22:55:12 < ohsix> has psoc stuff too, huh
2016-03-21T22:55:15 < ohsix> no adc is weird
2016-03-21T22:55:18 < Steffanx> i just searched for cortex-m0 and ordered on price.
2016-03-21T22:55:23 < ohsix> werd
2016-03-21T22:56:47 < kakimir> lpc1110 is left far behind compared to that 8051
2016-03-21T22:56:48 < Steffanx> funny it does have a dac and comparator.
2016-03-21T22:56:52 < ohsix> arm in something that small is one of those leaps people look back on 10 years ago about how amaze it was
2016-03-21T22:57:09 < ohsix> werd, you can probably get by with that
2016-03-21T22:57:32 < Steffanx> werd is the new weird?
2016-03-21T22:57:53 < ohsix> werd is the stifled agreement of 'word'
2016-03-21T22:58:05 < ohsix> it doesn't date the person saying it quite as much amirite
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2016-03-21T23:00:47 < ohsix> cheapest stocked part at digikey of all their microcontrollers is the pic10f200t, 35c usd
2016-03-21T23:01:17 < Taxman> and cheapest ARM cortex-M0?
2016-03-21T23:01:24 < ohsix> spansion/silicon labs have one part each that is cheaper, but non stocked
2016-03-21T23:01:40 < ohsix> sec
2016-03-21T23:02:20 < ohsix> yea that cy8c but it's non stock, .35280c usd
2016-03-21T23:02:44 < ohsix> eegh these all have nuts moq
2016-03-21T23:02:59 < ohsix> there's an atmel atsamd09 at .446c stocked
2016-03-21T23:04:57 < ohsix> what's the cheapest you can get 10 of
2016-03-21T23:05:15 < ohsix> i think that takes just about everything over a dollar
2016-03-21T23:10:29 < jadew> http://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/branches/space-mission-analysis-branch-smab/smab-projects/havoc/
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2016-03-21T23:14:04 < jadew> they're planning to land in mid-air
2016-03-21T23:14:07 < jadew> and stay there
2016-03-21T23:18:06 < ohsix> it's farther away than mars
2016-03-21T23:18:41 < ohsix> guess it doesn't matter if we're not going to any of them \m/ ;D
2016-03-21T23:18:50 < ohsix> good old nasa
2016-03-21T23:18:58 < jadew> ohsix, it's actually closer
2016-03-21T23:19:12 < ohsix> google lied to me
2016-03-21T23:19:23 < jadew> and the conditions at that altitude are much closer to what we have on earth
2016-03-21T23:19:29 < jadew> (radiation protection and gravity)
2016-03-21T23:19:30 < ohsix> is there an orbit that gets it closer or something
2016-03-21T23:19:33 < jadew> so they can stay there longer
2016-03-21T23:20:14 < ohsix> ah the article on distance to venus that google was using was about the orbit
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2016-03-21T23:21:13 < ohsix> er wat lewl, google results are picking farthest distance out of the thing instead of closest, that's dumb
2016-03-21T23:21:23 < jadew> heh
2016-03-21T23:22:13 < jadew> the distance from Earth to Venus is 0.28AU
2016-03-21T23:22:31 < jadew> and from Earth to Mars 0.52AU
2016-03-21T23:22:35 < ohsix> closest approach to planet for mars ever was 56m km
2016-03-21T23:22:40 < jadew> source: http://theplanets.org/distances-between-planets/
2016-03-21T23:23:10 < englishman> Taxman: looks like some feescale 16SOP w/8kb flash
2016-03-21T23:23:17 < ohsix> closest venus to mars 38m km
2016-03-21T23:23:23 < ohsix> yea google fucked me real good
2016-03-21T23:23:29 < ohsix> all i did was 'distance from earth to x'
2016-03-21T23:23:39 < ohsix> the results are not comparable or even the ones you'd want
2016-03-21T23:23:51 < jadew> yeah, it seems it might be up to 50% cheaper to get there too
2016-03-21T23:24:05 < jadew> not sure why
2016-03-21T23:24:12 < englishman> isnt orbiting the same as landing midair
2016-03-21T23:24:24 < jadew> englishman, no, they don't want to orbit
2016-03-21T23:24:25 < ohsix> not if you're in the atmosphere
2016-03-21T23:24:31 < jadew> orbitting means you have escape velocity
2016-03-21T23:24:37 < ohsix> you have drag and can take advantage of buyoancy
2016-03-21T23:24:38 < jadew> they just want to... float
2016-03-21T23:25:09 < ohsix> jadew: i wonder if going towards the sun adds up to enough gravity to have a noticable cost
2016-03-21T23:25:15 < englishman> orbiting, buoyancy, floating, so many mom jokes
2016-03-21T23:25:22 < jadew> ohsix, that's what I was thinking too
2016-03-21T23:25:28 < jadew> since Mars is in the other direction
2016-03-21T23:26:23 < jadew> but I guess that we already have escape velocity from the Sun
2016-03-21T23:26:27 < jadew> because we are on Earth
2016-03-21T23:26:53 < jadew> and when a rocket launches it inherits the speed of the Earth relative to the Sun
2016-03-21T23:27:17 < jadew> so in either direction it would have to go, it would probably have to accelerate about the same
2016-03-21T23:27:30 < jadew> but maybe not
2016-03-21T23:27:56 < jadew> I suppose that if you managed to reduce the speed relative to the sun, you would then start falling towards the center of the solar system
2016-03-21T23:28:05 < jadew> so they're probably using that too
2016-03-21T23:28:42 < jadew> anyway, going to cut my internet connection
2016-03-21T23:29:06 < ohsix> all i know about periapsis and all that celestial mechanics fun is from failing at simplerockets
2016-03-21T23:29:07 < jadew> I got 1 Gbps but my router can't handle it and my CAT5 cable is carrying power to the router too
2016-03-21T23:29:42 < jadew> so I have make some changes before I can do anything with this connection
2016-03-21T23:30:07 < jadew> heh, didn't play it
2016-03-21T23:30:09 < jadew> looks fun
2016-03-21T23:30:19 < jadew> anyway, ttyl
2016-03-21T23:30:32 < ohsix> it's easymode kerbal space program, before it existed
2016-03-21T23:32:27 < ohsix> hm re: that smb thing, you have to disable a bunch of stuff, it'll reapply shit every boot if you don't
2016-03-21T23:35:22 < Laurenceb_> lolling hard
2016-03-21T23:35:23 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatwoods_monster
2016-03-21T23:39:36 < ColdKeyboard> I've managed to change the darn descriptor size from 2 bytes to 16 and it seems to be working. For now at least :)
2016-03-21T23:39:40 < ColdKeyboard> Wohooo! :)
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2016-03-22T00:14:19 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXhJ3hHK9hQ
2016-03-22T00:15:16 < ohsix> never stopped
2016-03-22T00:16:38 < Sync> pfft. goddamn lcds
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2016-03-22T00:22:51 < ohsix> fack it wasn't rss; just another coincidence
2016-03-22T00:23:40 < Sync> yeah crt
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2016-03-22T00:35:21 < Jegeva> hello guys & gals,i have the following problem, while reading a buffer written in an interrupt, after multiple successfull passes, i get a hardfault, (precise+adress), this happens on an ldrb    r2, [r2, r3]
2016-03-22T00:36:11 < Jegeva> (gcc generated code), where it uses the ldr to fetch a byte in a loaded word register (ie ldr r2,r2,0 when it dies)
2016-03-22T00:36:42 < Jegeva> i don't understand why it botches after a while and not directly if the generated code is at fault
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2016-03-22T00:46:44 < rewolff2> Due to pipelining, and write caching the CPU might be a few instructions beyond the bad one. Annoying/ confusing at first.
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2016-03-22T00:47:36 < Jegeva> hum and even the instruction pointed in the sp of the hardfault handler is not pointing to the correct one ?
2016-03-22T00:47:54 < ohsix> which core is it, there's usually a dumb thing that tells you how many instructions you might need to pad out, i don't think that even happens on cortex parts
2016-03-22T00:48:19 < Jegeva> stm32f407vg, the one on the f4disco
2016-03-22T00:49:00 < ohsix> most of the stuff i know is from arm7tdmi :[
2016-03-22T00:59:22 < ohsix> it was in the nintendo ds
2016-03-22T01:00:00 < ohsix> something like that
2016-03-22T01:00:04 < ohsix> main one was an arm9
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2016-03-22T01:02:47 < jadew> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5187129660
2016-03-22T01:03:04 < ohsix> jadew: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2675785
2016-03-22T01:03:05 < jadew> I can probably improve that with a better router/cable
2016-03-22T01:03:16 < ohsix> won't be able to verify until tomorrow but still, lewl
2016-03-22T01:03:45 < jadew> interesting
2016-03-22T01:03:50 < ohsix> hundreds of arm chair tech support guys on the internet never figured out what the problem actually was
2016-03-22T01:04:13 < ohsix> i feel a little embarassed looking for information on windows problems, all the garbage there is D:
2016-03-22T01:06:09 < jadew> what blew up?
2016-03-22T01:06:09 < Thorn> that speedtest server is probably in your ISP's network, so it's not affected by any traffic caps/shaping/etc
2016-03-22T01:06:30 < jadew> lol
2016-03-22T01:06:47 < ohsix> the bulk of any shaping that might be goign on is at the bridge that gets you onto the network
2016-03-22T01:06:53 < jadew> Thorn, could be
2016-03-22T01:06:58 < ohsix> the cpe
2016-03-22T01:07:16 < jadew> ohsix, what's the cpe?
2016-03-22T01:07:26 < ohsix> customer presence equipment, the modem :<
2016-03-22T01:07:37 < jadew> ah, I see
2016-03-22T01:08:19 < ohsix> doing it at the isp would be amazingly castrophically expensive, and it'd just be to inject inefficiency in the network
2016-03-22T01:09:10 < ohsix> is it too much to say it is both amazingly and catastrophically expensive
2016-03-22T01:09:28 < Thorn> speedtest shows 100Mbps for me and my plan is capped to 50MBps
2016-03-22T01:09:48 < jadew> Thorn, probably the cap isn't working that great :)
2016-03-22T01:09:57 < jadew> it's probably getting spikes
2016-03-22T01:10:02 < Thorn> only explanation is my isp is running its own speedtest server
2016-03-22T01:10:22 < jadew> it should mention the server in there
2016-03-22T01:11:56 < jadew> I picked a server manually (from the other side of the country) and this is the result: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5187146757
2016-03-22T01:12:05 < jadew> checking with other countries now
2016-03-22T01:13:04 < jadew> heh, I'd suck myself off if I could.
2016-03-22T01:13:31 < jadew> this is with a server from Sofia: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5187148976
2016-03-22T01:14:38 < jadew> Bucharest/Ro
2016-03-22T01:14:56 < jadew> I'm getting similar results with Prague
2016-03-22T01:15:05 < jadew> Prague: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5187151947
2016-03-22T01:15:08 < jadew> that's 3 countries away
2016-03-22T01:15:38 < ohsix> Thorn: that's not the only explanation heh
2016-03-22T01:15:46 < jadew> I think it's safe to say it's a good connection
2016-03-22T01:16:25 < ohsix> comcast has a 'speed boost' thing where the bridge will let tcp connections go fast for a certain amount of time
2016-03-22T01:16:50 < ohsix> if they've configured that to be larger than the speed test samples they're just jackasses, but it also means any transfer of similar size will go zoom
2016-03-22T01:17:33 < jadew> dublin: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5187155978
2016-03-22T01:17:42 < jadew> (on the other side of europe)
2016-03-22T01:18:22 < mitrax> jadew: i'm sure pretty much everybody agrees that you have a kickass connection :p
2016-03-22T01:18:43 < jadew> hehe
2016-03-22T01:18:49 < jadew> just testing it
2016-03-22T01:19:01 < jadew> I still haven't finished setting everything up
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2016-03-22T01:23:29 < ohsix> ooh
2016-03-22T01:24:20 < ohsix> docsis uses dscp
2016-03-22T01:29:00 < ohsix> http://www.cable-europe.eu/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/75_PKT-SP-MM-I06-110629.PDF also some dynamic policy junk that actually asks the cmts for stuff in real time
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2016-03-22T01:31:09 < ohsix> reading this stuff is a pain in the butt
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2016-03-22T02:05:22 < Laurenceb_> I suck a c++
2016-03-22T02:05:39 < Laurenceb_> class connectionManager(PortSelectDialog* used_port_): public QObject {	Q_OBJECT
2016-03-22T02:05:47 < Laurenceb_> why is this an error?
2016-03-22T02:06:06 < Laurenceb_> expected ')' before '*'
2016-03-22T02:06:29 < mitrax> you're mixing up the class declaration and the constructor declaration
2016-03-22T02:06:33 < ohsix> can't even read that, can you have an argument for class foo() ?
2016-03-22T02:07:14 < Laurenceb_> oh ok
2016-03-22T02:07:16 < mitrax> class connectionManager : public QObject {... connectionManager(PortSelectDialog* used_port_): ... <= constructor here
2016-03-22T02:07:24 < Laurenceb_> I see
2016-03-22T02:07:44 < ohsix> i can never be too sure since i don't know any c++11 funny stuff ;D
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2016-03-22T02:31:56 < mitrax> bed time
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2016-03-22T02:37:11 < Laurenceb_> 		QQueue<unsigned char> queue_;
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2016-03-22T02:37:25 < Laurenceb_> field has incomplete type
2016-03-22T02:37:34 < Laurenceb_> I don't understand :-S
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2016-03-22T02:39:50 < dongs> queerqueue
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2016-03-22T02:42:34 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/freelance-electronic-engineer-for-short/ attn Laurenceb_
2016-03-22T02:42:37 < dongs> youre qualified
2016-03-22T02:43:51 < kakimir> dongs: someone missed you in the afternoon
2016-03-22T02:43:58 < kakimir> *evening
2016-03-22T02:44:09 < dongs> you mean autism6? probably. no problem tho.
2016-03-22T02:45:03 < kakimir> asked about chinagirl and threeways
2016-03-22T02:45:26 < Laurenceb_> what the hell price
2016-03-22T02:45:39 < Laurenceb_> seriously..
2016-03-22T02:45:50 < dongs> i hope its a typo and they meant per hour
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2016-03-22T02:46:43 < Laurenceb_> yeah
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2016-03-22T03:08:01 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN6e8k5LNqc fresh musicspams
2016-03-22T03:10:27 < upgrdman> is there a gcc command line options to always treat "inline" as if it was "__attribute__((always_inline))"
2016-03-22T03:10:52 < upgrdman> e.g. make inline a "demand", instead of just "advise"
2016-03-22T03:11:12 < upgrdman> R2COM, forces an inline function to be inlined, even if the compiler thinks it would be best not to
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2016-03-22T03:11:25 < upgrdman> e.g. no overhead from stackframes, etc.
2016-03-22T03:11:31 < dongs> do you REALLY think youre better than a compiler
2016-03-22T03:11:36 < upgrdman> yes
2016-03-22T03:11:38 < upgrdman> yes i do
2016-03-22T03:11:45 < dongs> well, with gcc, maybe thats true.
2016-03-22T03:11:56 < upgrdman> espcially when my code runs fuckloads faster if i force inlining for some shit
2016-03-22T03:12:12 < upgrdman> like lcd dixel drawing functions, etc.
2016-03-22T03:12:30 < dongs> pretty sure ivan was using mplab
2016-03-22T03:12:33 < dongs> the PRO pic compiler
2016-03-22T03:13:27 < dongs> trying to draw a footprint
2016-03-22T03:14:31 < dongs> more like freelanceb
2016-03-22T03:14:48 < dongs> R2PRO, can you put a notch into a pad in ORCPRO
2016-03-22T03:15:16 < dongs> no sec imguring
2016-03-22T03:15:21 < dongs> like a edge cut off
2016-03-22T03:15:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1cYX0ic.png
2016-03-22T03:15:47 < dongs> lol
2016-03-22T03:15:58 < dongs> as far as I know, you cant in altidong wihtout drawing a custom pad shape
2016-03-22T03:16:03 < dongs> and then attaching a small pad to it
2016-03-22T03:16:47 < dongs> ya me neither im just gonna leave it rectangular
2016-03-22T03:21:39 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAs70DjL_Bc got this as ad on kikemir's muzak
2016-03-22T03:22:42 < dongs> hah, digikey started stocking those panasonic thin board to board shits that ipad etc uses
2016-03-22T03:23:03 < dongs> http://www.digikey.jp/ja/product-highlight/p/panasonic-electric-works/s35-series-narrow-pitch-connectors
2016-03-22T03:23:56 < dongs> http://imgur.com/D8434KX
2016-03-22T03:24:30 < kakimir> R2COM: nice bass
2016-03-22T03:24:51 < dongs> kikemir, how long would it take to make that footprint in kikecad
2016-03-22T03:25:13 < dongs> also your song sucks dick
2016-03-22T03:25:20 < dongs> why would i wanna listen to some dude singing, im not gay
2016-03-22T03:25:53 < kakimir> it did suck
2016-03-22T03:27:14 < kakimir> I don't know... 15minutes?
2016-03-22T03:28:38 < dongs> yeah totally
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2016-03-22T03:29:09 < dongs> is taht gamer shit?>
2016-03-22T03:29:16 < kakimir> what commercials?
2016-03-22T03:30:07 < dongs> YouTube Red is not currently available in Japan.
2016-03-22T03:30:08 < dongs> Learn more
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2016-03-22T03:30:31 < kakimir> root the phone and adblock it
2016-03-22T03:30:48 < kakimir> run adblock proxy
2016-03-22T03:30:52 < kakimir> in phone
2016-03-22T03:31:00 < dongs> why would i even give a shit
2016-03-22T03:31:53 < kakimir> are you serious
2016-03-22T03:34:18 < Laurenceb_> anyone here used signals and slots in Qt?
2016-03-22T03:34:23 < Laurenceb_> I dont get it :-/
2016-03-22T03:34:33 < Laurenceb_> connectionmanager.cpp:49: error: undefined reference to `connectionManager::setDeviceDescriptor(QByteArray*)'
2016-03-22T03:34:43 < Laurenceb_> thats a signal
2016-03-22T03:34:51 < Laurenceb_> wtf it isnt a function in the class
2016-03-22T03:36:01 < dongs> use the MOC
2016-03-22T03:36:57 < kakimir> the ultimate ui library
2016-03-22T03:37:44 < dongs> really trollenceb shoulda just used wxwidgets
2016-03-22T03:39:03 < kakimir> tk
2016-03-22T03:39:09 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-22T03:39:19 < dongs> ah yes tcl/tk
2016-03-22T03:39:29 < Laurenceb_> wx and tk are actually worse that Qt
2016-03-22T03:39:32 < dongs> no that would be actual trolling
2016-03-22T03:39:35 < FatalNIX> shoulda just used a real GUI
2016-03-22T03:39:37 < FatalNIX> like curses
2016-03-22T03:39:39 < FatalNIX> :)
2016-03-22T03:39:41 < Laurenceb_> like how BBB is worse than Rpi
2016-03-22T03:39:50 < Laurenceb_> even tho Rpi sucks donkey cock
2016-03-22T03:39:55 < FatalNIX> Laurenceb_, I use my BBB for my ipv6 router
2016-03-22T03:39:57 < FatalNIX> it works amazingly
2016-03-22T03:40:19 < FatalNIX> to be honest, the pi is worse than a bbb in my opinion, hardware is much more delicate. but meh
2016-03-22T03:40:46 < Laurenceb_> BBB PMIC and RTC is horribly broken due to incompetence
2016-03-22T03:40:54 < FatalNIX> R2COM, Real programmers use butterflies
2016-03-22T03:41:00 < Laurenceb_> it uses a full 65mA more than it needs to due to n00bness
2016-03-22T03:41:03 < FatalNIX> Laurenceb_, use an external crystal :P
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2016-03-22T03:41:51 < dongs> R2COM: hes developing that shit on lunix
2016-03-22T03:41:53 < FatalNIX> Laurenceb_, beaglebones don't crash when you take their picture :P
2016-03-22T03:41:55 < dongs> instafail
2016-03-22T03:42:14 < FatalNIX> lolol
2016-03-22T03:44:22 < kakimir> rpi crashes when you touch it
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2016-03-22T03:48:07 < englishman> rpi is shit without touching it
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2016-03-22T04:00:41 < dongs> but its a great media player!111oneoen
2016-03-22T04:00:58 < dongs> .. if your media is pirated SD garbage from shittorrents
2016-03-22T04:01:19 < dongs> ethernet/usb on that shit is too fucking slow to even play anything useful
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2016-03-22T04:05:43 < Sync> lxi ftw
2016-03-22T04:05:51 < Sync> or gpib
2016-03-22T04:06:03 < Sync> lxi
2016-03-22T04:06:06 < upgrdman> speaking of usb
2016-03-22T04:06:17 < upgrdman> another know of any bottom-entry usb ports?
2016-03-22T04:06:23 < Sync> LAN eXtensions for Instrumentation u neb
2016-03-22T04:06:35 < upgrdman> so i can make a pcb into part of a case, and you plug the cable into the back side of the pcb
2016-03-22T04:06:36 < Sync> lxi ;)
2016-03-22T04:06:44 < Sync> that's what it is called
2016-03-22T04:06:58 < Sync> but seriously, gpib is not bad, just old
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2016-03-22T04:07:50 < Sync> well, lxi is basically gpib/scpi over ethernet
2016-03-22T04:08:41 < Sync> yes
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2016-03-22T04:11:21 < Sync> no, because lazy
2016-03-22T04:11:29 < Sync> the time lost due to usb shits fucking around
2016-03-22T04:14:00 < FatalNIX> man
2016-03-22T04:14:50 < FatalNIX> how come I can build my own processor architecture, and yet I can't wire up a button to an stm32
2016-03-22T04:17:12 < FatalNIX> crt, wut
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2016-03-22T04:22:44 < Laurenceb_> oh dear
2016-03-22T04:22:51 < Laurenceb_>  "undefined reference to vtable"
2016-03-22T04:23:37 < Laurenceb_> lol troll
2016-03-22T04:23:53 < Laurenceb_> u mad bro
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2016-03-22T04:34:00 < englishman> whats your favourite media player with cec and shit dongs
2016-03-22T04:34:36 < englishman> i use my tv like 3 times a year
2016-03-22T04:39:13 < dongs> theres nothing good, now that xmbc is available, china just says "lol", makes a shitty assdroid box and points whining users to a forum
2016-03-22T04:39:33 < Laurenceb_> nope I can't make this shit work
2016-03-22T04:39:50 < Laurenceb_> 		signals:
2016-03-22T04:39:50 < Laurenceb_> 		 void setDTR(bool);
2016-03-22T04:40:10 < dongs> moc stuff in qt is pretty lame
2016-03-22T04:40:24 < Laurenceb_> connectionmanager.cpp:19: error: undefined reference to `connectionManager::setDTR(bool)'
2016-03-22T04:40:29 < Laurenceb_> whyyyyy
2016-03-22T04:40:47 < Laurenceb_> its a "signal" not a function
2016-03-22T04:41:09 < dongs> R2COM: he asked about hardware shit you dingleberry
2016-03-22T04:42:04 < dongs> 384kHz/96bit
2016-03-22T04:42:35 < dongs> haha, ordering some cut pinheaders from chinagirl
2016-03-22T04:42:52 < dongs> "do you want ones cut by people, its fast, but edges are kinda shit, or ones that cut by machine, takes longer, but looks better"
2016-03-22T04:43:16 < dongs> lol @ chinks cutting headers being faster than machine doing same
2016-03-22T04:44:48 < dongs> why  the shit are you even using fuxit
2016-03-22T04:44:54 < dongs> it doesnt even support PDF forms
2016-03-22T04:44:56 < dongs> or anything useful
2016-03-22T04:45:47 < dongs> duno brah
2016-03-22T04:45:51 < dongs> i have acrobat pro
2016-03-22T04:45:53 < dongs> its great
2016-03-22T04:45:54 < dongs> NOT DC
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2016-03-22T04:49:36 < Laurenceb_> WTF
2016-03-22T04:49:51 < Laurenceb_> have to click build -> clean build->qmake
2016-03-22T04:49:57 < Laurenceb_> WTF qtcreator
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2016-03-22T04:55:44 < Laurenceb_> the projectfile could not be parsed
2016-03-22T04:55:48 < Laurenceb_>  PROject
2016-03-22T04:55:55 < ohsix> one handed boxing wut
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2016-03-22T05:10:00 < ohsix> one handed boxing?????
2016-03-22T05:11:26 < ohsix> adafr00t liveglurges way too much
2016-03-22T05:20:43 < dongs> Laurenceb_: yeah, i think clean build re-runs preprocessor/moc shit
2016-03-22T05:20:52 < dongs> it probably doesnt do it for every build if you dont cahnge unrelated shit
2016-03-22T05:21:04 < dongs> sounds like a pretty pro fail tho
2016-03-22T05:21:08 < Laurenceb_> had to kill -9
2016-03-22T05:21:28 < dongs> lunix -9
2016-03-22T05:22:46 < ohsix> Jegeva: did you figure out what happened?
2016-03-22T05:23:53 < ohsix> looks like cortex has some of the same 'issues' for some types of exceptions
2016-03-22T05:26:29 < ohsix> looks like it's only a one more instruction type of thing though, for async exceptions the processor can execute another instruction between having triggered exception and handling it
2016-03-22T05:28:17 < ohsix> dongs: is there a place you can send a pdf and get back a book
2016-03-22T05:28:19 < ohsix> without bullshit
2016-03-22T05:29:14 < ohsix> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/On_demand_book_printer_1.jpg (at the internet archive, neat)
2016-03-22T05:35:22 < ohsix> buh tried random one with an 800 page limit (thing i wanted to print is 1200) for 2 copies it's 110gbp, nut bad
2016-03-22T05:37:48 < ohsix> sucks if you want to publish a lot of them i guess, but if you want one copy for yourself, having similar price to a retail book is kewl (at least, not loads more)
2016-03-22T05:39:32 < dongs> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1458487818295.webm attn vapists
2016-03-22T05:40:47 < ohsix> i saw some crooked looking dude park a big suv illegally and he was vapin some junk
2016-03-22T05:40:54 < dongs> http://www.redox-os.org/book/book/introduction/why_redox.html
2016-03-22T05:41:05 < ohsix> having fancy tools isn't unlike being a high tech pedophile
2016-03-22T05:41:10 < ohsix> still gross
2016-03-22T05:41:29 < ohsix> jared from subway
2016-03-22T05:42:13 < ohsix> Legacy until infinity: Old syscalls stay around forever, drivers for long-unbuyable hardware stay in the kernel as a mandatory part. While they can be disabled, running them in kernel space is essentially unnecessary, and is, by far, the biggest source of system crashes, security issues, and unexpected bugs.
2016-03-22T05:42:14 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-22T05:42:33 < ohsix> if they're old drivers they're not going to bind to any hw you don't
2016-03-22T05:42:37 < ohsix> does not follow D:
2016-03-22T05:43:15 < ohsix> ah should have read a bit farther so i'd have known to close the tab
2016-03-22T05:44:05 < ohsix> so that's basically a wiki for wish fulfillment and nothing exists yet
2016-03-22T05:44:09 < dongs> oh its written in rust
2016-03-22T05:44:11 < dongs> fucking lol
2016-03-22T05:44:23 < ohsix> because C is bad you need this other thing
2016-03-22T05:44:25 < ohsix> don't you see
2016-03-22T05:44:36 < ohsix> if C wasn't bad it wouldn't be such an easy point to make!
2016-03-22T05:44:49 < ohsix> a point that doesn't actually support your position, but an easy point!
2016-03-22T05:45:03 < dongs> In constrast to Linux, which has a code base with 100% unsafe code, due to the nature of C.
2016-03-22T05:45:18 < lorenzo> lol
2016-03-22T05:45:22 < lorenzo> is that for real
2016-03-22T05:45:26 < dongs> yes
2016-03-22T05:45:41 < ohsix> it's mostly about linux
2016-03-22T05:45:44 < ohsix> since bsd is great
2016-03-22T05:45:46 < dongs> https://github.com/redox-os/redox
2016-03-22T05:45:56 < ohsix> has all the same problems but linux is bad out loud, bad linux
2016-03-22T05:46:52 < ohsix> the biggest argument for !C is literally because it isn't C, the languages are not well studied for security like C has been
2016-03-22T05:48:26 < ohsix> not c sure sounds a lot like nazi
2016-03-22T05:48:42 < ohsix> someone could call anyone that suggests C is bad a not c
2016-03-22T05:49:03 < ohsix> maybe they'll cringe hard enough at a bad pun to stop what they're doing
2016-03-22T05:49:23 < lorenzo> that thing screams "I'm a precious snowflake who can't understand C, so the rest of the world is wrong"
2016-03-22T05:51:08 < ohsix> don't let them move the burden of proof :D
2016-03-22T05:51:35 < ohsix> there will be an orgy of activity from all the people that agree with them
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2016-03-22T05:51:43 < ohsix> and then it will be 25 million lines of code
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2016-03-22T05:53:10 < ohsix> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/world/europe/boaty-mcboatface-what-you-get-when-you-let-the-internet-decide.html
2016-03-22T05:57:33 < dongs> pub unsafe fn new(mut pci: PciConfig) -> Box<Ac97> {
2016-03-22T05:57:40 < dongs> such retarded syntax wow
2016-03-22T05:57:47 < dongs> all tehse newfag langauges are just terrible
2016-03-22T05:57:57 < ohsix> the best part about linux sucking is that if they had a point it would be so easy to make it with some examples
2016-03-22T05:58:06 < ohsix> dongs: unsafe???????????????????????????????????????????????????/
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2016-03-22T06:00:01 < dongs> huh. silabs gave away their evalboard . weird.
2016-03-22T06:00:09 < dongs> i totally expected to pay $$$ for it
2016-03-22T06:00:39 < lorenzo> I've never found a use for their 8051 stuff, got some of their toolsticks
2016-03-22T06:00:59 < dongs> their digital tv stuff.
2016-03-22T06:01:46 < dongs> none
2016-03-22T06:16:06 < ohsix> https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/unsafe.html does this work for anyone, getting connection reset
2016-03-22T06:16:43 < dongs> works fine for me, youre banned
2016-03-22T06:17:13 < ohsix> It’s important to be able to explicitly delineate code that may have bugs that cause big problems. If a Rust program segfaults, you can be sure the cause is related to something marked unsafe.
2016-03-22T06:17:23 < ohsix> nah it is their tls config
2016-03-22T06:17:44 < ohsix> In addition, the following are all undefined behaviors in Rust, and must be avoided, even when writing unsafe code:
2016-03-22T06:17:54 < ohsix> they have the same crutch C does
2016-03-22T06:18:23 < ohsix> like literally
2016-03-22T06:18:50 < ohsix> they designate it undefined and say just not to do it, and the undefined behaviours overlap with c
2016-03-22T06:19:54 < lorenzo> ohsix: yeah, but there's the unsafe keyword
2016-03-22T06:20:00 < lorenzo> :p
2016-03-22T06:20:09 < ohsix> and mut!
2016-03-22T06:20:33 < ohsix> kind of like kernel tainting, you can shun people if they're doing something hinky
2016-03-22T06:22:43 < ohsix> the guy behind boaty mcboatface is 'Mr. Hand'
2016-03-22T06:48:42 < ohsix> it is rust, perfectly fine
2016-03-22T06:49:16 < ohsix> are they m0? there's recent free developments there (pun intended)
2016-03-22T06:54:39 < ohsix> heh @ eevblag teardown of adjustable load thing; has the stm32f103c8t6 in it
2016-03-22T06:54:51 < ohsix> officially the best part???????????????
2016-03-22T06:55:11 < ohsix> is it the cheapest one or what, why does everyone seem to use it
2016-03-22T06:59:10 < ohsix> it's in everything, i'm just wondering what other real reasons there might be that it is so popular
2016-03-22T07:00:07 < ohsix> hmm
2016-03-22T07:00:16 < ohsix> might be cheapest at 72mhz
2016-03-22T07:01:16 < ohsix> cheapest tqfp, 72mhz, f1
2016-03-22T07:03:14 < ohsix> it is the cheapest of: 72mhz, highest mem/flash capacity, f1 series
2016-03-22T07:05:42 < ohsix> +lqfp
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2016-03-22T07:16:31 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkm8Hteeh6M
2016-03-22T07:17:16 < ohsix> is that a parody?
2016-03-22T07:17:25 < ohsix> if it was it might actually be pretty good
2016-03-22T07:18:48 < ohsix> they got that breitbart boosterism
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2016-03-22T07:23:27 < ohsix> eevblog is full on the patreon and end of video links train
2016-03-22T07:23:44 < ohsix> no more black screen and smoke
2016-03-22T07:32:21 < dongs> http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/eevblog hes dying anyway
2016-03-22T07:35:26 < ohsix> yea i think he's got more than one revenue stream so he can cash in some cred on youtube
2016-03-22T07:35:35 < ohsix> +now
2016-03-22T07:36:03 < ohsix> just having related videos in the info box is no goooood
2016-03-22T07:36:16 < ohsix> those annotations don't work on mobile either
2016-03-22T07:36:22 < ohsix> can't actually click
2016-03-22T07:38:20 < dongs> hmm USPS has free GXG stickers
2016-03-22T07:38:32 < dongs> wonder if they have free packing tape
2016-03-22T07:38:35 < dongs> with USPS logo o nit
2016-03-22T07:38:55 < dongs> aww, tape costs money
2016-03-22T07:38:57 < dongs> $6.58
2016-03-22T07:40:33 < ohsix> gxg?
2016-03-22T07:40:48 < dongs> global express thing, that uses fedex
2016-03-22T07:41:31 < dongs> yes
2016-03-22T07:42:31 < dongs> Firefox 45.0.1 waht the hell
2016-03-22T07:42:40 < dongs> do tehy just increment that number whenever they feel like it
2016-03-22T07:44:23 < ohsix> are you too new to understand major/minor/rev numbers
2016-03-22T07:44:54 < ohsix> crt: don't use eevblog in the name and make it obvious parody
2016-03-22T07:45:06 < dongs> daveblog
2016-03-22T07:45:17 < ohsix> doing minimal cuts of his videos could be funny
2016-03-22T07:45:34 < ohsix> you could leave some ums and uhs in
2016-03-22T07:46:00 < ohsix> heheheh
2016-03-22T07:52:04 < dongs> i think you're overestimating his usefulness.
2016-03-22T07:52:10 < ohsix> maybe
2016-03-22T07:52:20 < ohsix> i got over it in like 10 videos
2016-03-22T07:52:26 < dongs> his shit has been zero-content for a while now
2016-03-22T07:52:33 < ohsix> when ee pal linked to it that was the first thing i said
2016-03-22T07:52:37 < dongs> waste of time + plz click my patreon is all he does now
2016-03-22T07:52:51 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-22T07:53:01 < ohsix> crt: do you watch it?
2016-03-22T07:55:18 < lorenzo> first videos were interesting
2016-03-22T07:55:38 < lorenzo> now he just takes things apart and goes like "here's a fpga. here's an Atmel thing. here's some bodginess"
2016-03-22T07:55:56 < lorenzo> :(
2016-03-22T07:56:10 < dongs> gxti: explain this hiding pins/stacking and 1,2,3,4 on pin name thin in altidong
2016-03-22T07:56:46 < ohsix> when did he start doing the turn it on take it apart thing
2016-03-22T07:56:59 < ohsix> it takes some work to think it is something else ;D
2016-03-22T07:57:20 < ohsix> taking stuff apart is  how i learned tons of stuff
2016-03-22T07:57:53 < ohsix> watching presentation, they mentioned this http://www.smallmemory.com/book.html
2016-03-22T07:57:57 < ohsix> looks handy
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2016-03-22T07:59:38 < lorenzo> "large amounts of human ingenuity were spent trying to simulate supernova explosions with nothing more than a future Nobel prize winner and a vast array of valves."
2016-03-22T07:59:38 < lorenzo> ha
2016-03-22T07:59:46 < lorenzo> ohsix: looks interesting, thanks
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2016-03-22T08:29:24 < ohsix> anyone know offhand if sizeof on a function will return anything like what you might see in the full eventual linker map
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2016-03-22T08:42:23 < jpa-> ohsix: no, i don't think it would; though it doesn't seem to return the size of a function pointer either, which would have been what i would have expected
2016-03-22T08:44:08 < jpa-> apparently on gcc it just returns 1; http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6988227/output-of-using-sizeof-on-a-function
2016-03-22T08:44:19 < ohsix> yea i see someone saying that is what is specified
2016-03-22T08:44:24 < upgrdman> jesus fuck. why cant laptops be waterproof so i can dip my bro4 into a bucket of water when rendering. shit this is getting hot.
2016-03-22T08:44:40 < ohsix> i just went and tested it all and stuff, remembered some related things i had to do
2016-03-22T08:45:05 < ohsix> i just used function address plus 4k to copy the stuff i needed ;D
2016-03-22T08:45:13 < ohsix> and made it naked
2016-03-22T08:46:00 < ohsix> i was thinking about some stuff i could use with the info but i can just get it fromthe map or the object file
2016-03-22T08:47:07 < ohsix> basically tracking code size changes over time, gcc versions; if sizeof worked it might assert that some don't go over specific size so tests fail
2016-03-22T08:49:49 < upgrdman> wtf blender. why are your cloth simulations retarded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuDJlKqi3Ew << lolwut
2016-03-22T08:51:24 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-22T08:51:58 < ohsix> not enough faces to collide with? or more specifically, edges
2016-03-22T08:52:11 < upgrdman> maybe
2016-03-22T08:52:16 < ohsix> numerical precision problems could cause fall through there
2016-03-22T08:52:22 < upgrdman> i might have overlooked some approximation settings.
2016-03-22T08:52:29 < upgrdman> it was my first try at a physics sim
2016-03-22T08:52:34 < ohsix> if you bake or do it offline it will usually use a better solver
2016-03-22T08:52:46 < upgrdman> i baked it
2016-03-22T08:52:53 < ohsix> er oh uh, 'it', i haven't used blender much, this is from other 3d packages
2016-03-22T08:53:01 < upgrdman> ya
2016-03-22T08:53:17 < ohsix> blender is on my bucket list :(
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2016-03-22T08:54:01 < ohsix> it is one of those things where i need some literal instruction for a bit ;]
2016-03-22T08:54:13 < upgrdman> side note: bro4 gets fucking toasty after rendering for like 3 minutes
2016-03-22T08:54:22 < upgrdman> im tempted to get a big ass heatsink
2016-03-22T08:54:30 < upgrdman> and like double-stick tape it to the back
2016-03-22T08:55:06 < ohsix> huhuhu
2016-03-22T08:55:16 < ohsix> cool it does it at all in a usable way
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2016-03-22T09:19:17 < dongs> damn, gxti has been dead
2016-03-22T09:19:58 < ohsix> what is that
2016-03-22T09:21:35 < PeterM> a user
2016-03-22T09:21:55 < dongs> maybe you know
2016-03-22T09:22:08 < dongs> any way to group a bunch of pins together on a symbol
2016-03-22T09:22:23 < dongs> like that ISL thing has A1,A2,A3,A4 to VIN or somethin
2016-03-22T09:22:28 < dongs> im to lazy to connect all 4 with wires
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2016-03-22T09:22:49 < dongs> he posted somehin about stacking and hiding the other pins
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2016-03-22T09:22:57 < dongs> but hiding only lets you connect to specific net, that sounds really hacky
2016-03-22T09:23:30 < PeterM> i do osmething even more hacky, if the footprint if only used for one componet, i name the pins with the nets
2016-03-22T09:23:42 < dongs> haha, sigh
2016-03-22T09:23:57 < dongs> switching to eagle now
2016-03-22T09:24:20 < ohsix> you have them related so you don't get drc fails if you connect to one of 5 or something?
2016-03-22T09:24:28 < PeterM> im sure there is a way to do it, like place all pins ontop of each other and then hide the designator + name
2016-03-22T09:24:40 < dongs> thats what he said to do yes
2016-03-22T09:24:43 < dongs> but i dont see hwo that works
2016-03-22T09:24:52 < dongs> is that gonna generate a 'link' thing at t he edge of a pin when you wire it?
2016-03-22T09:24:59 < PeterM> yeah
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2016-03-22T09:25:12 < dongs> hokay.
2016-03-22T09:25:35 < dongs> done.
2016-03-22T09:25:36 < dongs> trying.
2016-03-22T09:26:34 < ohsix> is it people pooping while twerking
2016-03-22T09:29:43 < ohsix> dongs: have you used te free trial files with ruboard stuff?
2016-03-22T09:30:14 < dongs> no idea
2016-03-22T09:30:27 < dongs> PeterM: works
2016-03-22T09:31:48 < PeterM> might do that for ICs, but for discrete i'll still stick to net names, eg on a fet footprint there can be liek 5 drain pins, 3 source pins and a gate, they're all just G, D or S no D1, D2, D3 shit
2016-03-22T09:32:12 < ohsix> yea why not just name them all VIN
2016-03-22T09:32:30 < PeterM> ...
2016-03-22T09:32:37 < ohsix> ????????????????????????????
2016-03-22T09:33:42 < c10ud^> yo dongs, do you have chinagirl for 32" touch panels? (not lcd screens, just the touch)
2016-03-22T09:34:04 < PeterM> c10ud^,  wut
2016-03-22T09:34:21 < ohsix> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Pin,+Pair+and+Part+Swapping heh neat
2016-03-22T09:34:24 < PeterM> do yu ahve like a part number or some shit
2016-03-22T09:34:37 < dongs> 32" touch sounds difficult to transport
2016-03-22T09:34:57 < c10ud^> PN: "resistive touch panel that can be applied on a led screen"
2016-03-22T09:35:09 < c10ud^> yeah, it is
2016-03-22T09:35:48 < ohsix> are pin swaps something else entirely? it lets you pick where things go for routing decisions if you can have them come out on different sets of pins
2016-03-22T09:36:04 < PeterM> ohsix, differnt thing entirely
2016-03-22T09:36:11 < c10ud^> 32" with specs I need and touch: 3K eur -- 32" with specs I need and no touch: < 1k eur, that's why I ask hehe
2016-03-22T09:36:11 < dongs> I just fired all my LCD/etc people
2016-03-22T09:36:14 < dongs> for fucking up an order
2016-03-22T09:36:23 < dongs> so i need to find some new ones
2016-03-22T09:37:21 < c10ud^> I'm waiting for some responses, but I don't know if I can trust randoms in alibaba
2016-03-22T09:37:57 < c10ud^> I would have preferred some kind-of-reputable company
2016-03-22T09:38:22 < PeterM> ohsix, you use that feature for say, on an opamp you set your inputs and outputs as groups and jsut route to the most convenient group, or in a micro you route to the most convenient port, or in an fpga choose your peripheral
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2016-03-22T09:40:01 < PeterM> i also use it on things like resistor packs so its easier to route
2016-03-22T09:42:00 < dongs> PeterM: how much setup is needed on a rpack for that?
2016-03-22T09:42:05 < dongs> i just do it manually usually by dicking nets around
2016-03-22T09:45:32 < PeterM> unfortunately a fair bit, but if im using resistor packs i need the space, so its worth it
2016-03-22T09:46:07 < dongs> that /ADOH/ page is worthless tho
2016-03-22T09:46:24 < PeterM> it is
2016-03-22T09:47:12 < PeterM> i had an issue the other day with an error from my components, i had created a componet and when i would place it it would be placed as a child component of a sheet that didnt exist
2016-03-22T09:47:33 < PeterM> but the thing is, it was jsut a normal component made like any other component
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2016-03-22T09:50:58 < dongs> duno wat i did
2016-03-22T09:51:04 < dongs> edited pin groups
2016-03-22T09:51:23 < dongs> put "same" pins on rpack into same group number.
2016-03-22T09:51:26 < dongs> is that all it takes?
2016-03-22T09:52:04 < dongs> hm nope
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2016-03-22T09:53:05 < dongs> only works if I make rpack as separate subparts??
2016-03-22T09:53:54 < dongs> fuck this, already spent more time on it than it would take to dick the nets around by looking at sch/pcb and manually moving labels
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2016-03-22T10:05:33 < dongs> so fucking sick of alt-tab shit 'alphabetically sorted' thing when you have more htan 5 windows open
2016-03-22T10:05:37 < dongs> checking if that shit is fixable in win10 too
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2016-03-22T10:07:11 < dongs> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\AltTabSettings = 1
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2016-03-22T10:07:15 < dongs> k
2016-03-22T10:07:17 < dongs> see if works
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2016-03-22T10:08:29 < dongs> no longer works in 10
2016-03-22T10:08:32 < dongs> raped.
2016-03-22T10:09:54 < dongs> crt, win10 has something even worse
2016-03-22T10:10:01 < dongs> win-tab does some macfag-like shit
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2016-03-22T10:12:00 < lorenzo> wtf in bruxelles
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2016-03-22T10:15:51 < ohsix> dongs: in the past there were window messages so you could write your own thing to do that
2016-03-22T10:18:28 < dongs> fucking GOLD
2016-03-22T10:18:44 < dongs> dotnetfx35sp1.exe (~300megs) requires "installing dot net 3.5"
2016-03-22T10:19:10 < dongs> for some rfucked reason windowsupdate at my place has beenm going at 3k/sec
2016-03-22T10:19:12 < dongs> last weeks
2016-03-22T10:19:25 < PeterM> your glorious nippon internets will vut through the downlaod in the blink of an eye
2016-03-22T10:19:34 < PeterM> WUT
2016-03-22T10:22:13 < zyp> so just go to jp then?
2016-03-22T10:22:46 < zyp> sure, it's called vacation
2016-03-22T10:23:16 < zyp> their what?
2016-03-22T10:23:55 < zyp> never happened me
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2016-03-22T10:29:08 < PeterM> crt id be mroe worried about mothra
2016-03-22T10:42:06 < ohsix> heh wut, watching a 'penn and teller fool us' clip, i figured out something they didn't :[
2016-03-22T10:42:21 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCFXV6o7cro the guy views all the cards and flips them with his right hand
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2016-03-22T10:43:25 < ohsix> he does it just after they pick cards
2016-03-22T10:43:40 < ohsix> he's got an opportunity to view them all without it looking suspicious
2016-03-22T10:44:02 < dongs> im watching fucking trash download 300megs at 8kilobit/sec because reasons and this is while im running a 350meg package that alreadyt FUCKING INCLUDES ALL TEH SAME SHIT
2016-03-22T10:44:13 < dongs> yes, kiloBIT
2016-03-22T10:45:55 < ohsix> git gud
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2016-03-22T10:47:23 < ohsix> rusure you don't have youtube playing, that messes with windows
2016-03-22T10:48:50 < ohsix> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeFlashback woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa first i'm hearing of this
2016-03-22T10:48:55 < ohsix> panel is back bebe
2016-03-22T10:50:07 < dongs> its downloading from hk2sch130020919.wns.windows.com.
2016-03-22T10:50:10 < dongs> and that site is dead as FUCK
2016-03-22T10:50:39 < ohsix> filter it @ fw so it kills it and tries another one
2016-03-22T10:56:16 < dongs> <h2>Our services aren't available right now</h2><p>We're working to restore all services as soon as possible. Please check back soon.</p>Ref A: 2ADC71D474044C43A1266C063890970A Ref B: 792812C4ED65A07C737AF907E415DB21 Ref C: Tue Mar 22 01:56:05 2016 PST
2016-03-22T10:56:20 < dongs> wat
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2016-03-22T11:32:15 < dongs> SHENZHEN IS MURDER
2016-03-22T11:33:55 < dongs> does pioneer use genuine FTDI
2016-03-22T11:35:41 < ohsix> wut
2016-03-22T11:38:43 < dongs> not xmos for less jitter?
2016-03-22T11:39:45 < dongs> disqualified
2016-03-22T11:39:52 < dongs> only xmos is the best
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2016-03-22T11:49:26 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/lgiTgh1.jpg
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2016-03-22T11:56:08 < PeterM> fine, cleaned up most of the mob that would bash the shit out of the trees on the farm a few months back so the mob is probably only 5-6 instead of 30
2016-03-22T11:56:36 < PeterM> not at all practical for kangaroos, so no.
2016-03-22T11:57:45 < PeterM> nah just a 223
2016-03-22T11:57:50 < BrainDamage> obv the solution is to start farming alligators  to get rid of them
2016-03-22T11:58:07 < BrainDamage> then farm something else to get rid of the alligators
2016-03-22T11:59:43 < BrainDamage> then gators is even better because straya is so scared about imported species
2016-03-22T11:59:54 < BrainDamage> as if something from outside can be worse than local endemic
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2016-03-22T12:08:33 < ohsix> dongs: who makes these http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODc2WDEyNTU=/z/kt8AAOSw3xJVbGu2/$_1.JPG
2016-03-22T12:08:45 < ohsix> there's a number on the back 091118
2016-03-22T12:08:52 < ohsix> and 25, which is the number of key
2016-03-22T12:08:53 < ohsix> s
2016-03-22T12:09:05 < ohsix> some chinese i can't read, will get picture tomorrow
2016-03-22T12:09:49 < ohsix> doesn't take much force lifting it by the keys for it to break, and apparently someone did that, drano or someone who owned it before him
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2016-03-22T13:00:12 < dongs> BREAKING: Two explosions heard at Brussels International Airport; smoke rising from building; thousands being evacuated
2016-03-22T13:00:34 < dongs> BREAKING: New explosion occurs at Metro station in Brussels, near European Union HQ
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2016-03-22T13:02:17 < jpa-> what is it breaking?
2016-03-22T13:02:19 < zyp> "BREAKING"
2016-03-22T13:02:25 < zyp> that news is hours old by now
2016-03-22T13:02:31 < jpa-> yep
2016-03-22T13:02:32 < dongs> sorry, my retweeter is late
2016-03-22T13:03:07 < jpa-> our goverment already tweeted "when thinking about brussels, remember racism that is happening every day!"
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2016-03-22T13:06:21 < dongs> https://twitter.com/saeed_ahmed saeed ahmed did brussels
2016-03-22T13:06:48 < zyp> anybody here happen to have experience with dashcams?
2016-03-22T13:07:08 < jpa-> i've seen dashcam videos
2016-03-22T13:07:10 < dongs> i heard upgrdchinaman likes watching them
2016-03-22T13:07:12 < zyp> wondering what's good shit
2016-03-22T13:07:26 < jpa-> i wouldn't recommend getting one, they cause planes to fall and trucks to crash
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2016-03-22T13:07:42 < zyp> jpa-, yeah, that's my motive
2016-03-22T13:07:43 < PeterM> zyp look at the youtube channel techmoan
2016-03-22T13:08:18 < PeterM> he has a few guides and many detailed reviews
2016-03-22T13:08:47 < zyp> I don't have time to sit through youtube reviews
2016-03-22T13:08:56 < zyp> but thanks for the suggestion
2016-03-22T13:09:16 < zyp> patience might be more approriate than time
2016-03-22T13:10:41 < zyp> BlackVue DR650GW seems to be popular here
2016-03-22T13:11:56 < PeterM> yes, its pretty good, and the vico marcus 3 is also pretty good
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2016-03-22T13:34:47 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/283/436/de62a8155eb798772c600c13c95f5609_original.png?v=1454313551&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&lossless=true&s=4a380094a43795a54387179c4bc70b66
2016-03-22T13:36:17 < PeterM> i dun geddit
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2016-03-22T13:48:30 < zyp> another kickstarter scam?
2016-03-22T13:48:53 < dongs> has to be
2016-03-22T13:48:56 < dongs> with so many blogs
2016-03-22T13:49:13 < zyp> the more logos you can find on a kickstarter page, the more likely it is to be a scam
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2016-03-22T14:09:47 < rcc> when did the brusselles thing happend?
2016-03-22T14:09:58 < rcc> *brussels
2016-03-22T14:12:34 < rcc> dongs seems to always be up to date with the news
2016-03-22T14:13:21 < rewolff2> I was up at 7:45.
2016-03-22T14:13:32 < rcc> he can probably fit like... 10 news channels on his 4k display
2016-03-22T14:13:35 < rewolff2> Airport happened around 8:00, metro station around 9:00.
2016-03-22T14:13:48 < rcc> rewolff2, UTC?
2016-03-22T14:13:59 < rewolff2> No local time her.
2016-03-22T14:14:04 < rewolff2> *here.
2016-03-22T14:14:10 < rcc> where's here? :)
2016-03-22T14:14:12 < rewolff2> let me think... UTC +1.
2016-03-22T14:14:18 < rcc> got it
2016-03-22T14:14:24 < rcc> so quite early
2016-03-22T14:14:30 < rcc> I'm UTC+2
2016-03-22T14:14:30 < rewolff2> Here is 70km north of brussels.
2016-03-22T14:14:38 < rcc> damn
2016-03-22T14:15:11 < rewolff2> I'm not worrying. It's another country. :-)
2016-03-22T14:15:18 < rcc> haha
2016-03-22T14:15:28 < rcc> it's pretty bad
2016-03-22T14:16:12 < rewolff2> Yesterday we "celebrated" the 17 millionth dutch person.....
2016-03-22T14:16:36 < BrainDamage> even if i happened in my town i wouldn't worry
2016-03-22T14:16:38 < rewolff2> So if this happens every day, I have a chance of 1: one million of dying......
2016-03-22T14:16:42 < rcc> I think there's going to be retaliation soon, but I don't know what form it will take
2016-03-22T14:17:04 < rcc> good reasoning rewolff2
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2016-03-22T14:17:29 < jadew> my new monitor arrived
2016-03-22T14:17:45 < jadew> much better than the 24" philips I returned
2016-03-22T14:18:11 < rewolff2> (there is a 1: 10^5 chance of dying on a  plane flight (IIRC).... They like to claim 1: 10^8 per km, but as you generally travel 1000km or more in a plane.....)
2016-03-22T14:18:12 < jadew> but still shit compared to my ~10 years old displays
2016-03-22T14:18:43 < jadew> 1:10^5 is rather high
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2016-03-22T14:19:33 < Sync> jadew: what screen did you get?
2016-03-22T14:19:58 < rewolff2> Fly twice a month, 24 times per year, 10^2 per four years, 10^3/40 years. So you get a 1% chance of dying in a plane crash in 40 years of regular flying.
2016-03-22T14:19:59 < jadew> Sync, Dell U2414H
2016-03-22T14:20:24 < jadew> it's easier to look at, but the screen is bright even when it only displays black
2016-03-22T14:20:40 < jadew> (even at the lowest brightness setting)
2016-03-22T14:20:45 < jadew> my old displays don't do that
2016-03-22T14:21:13 < Sync> yeah ips panels in them are not great
2016-03-22T14:21:15 < jadew> with the light off, if there's black on the screen they almost look like they're off
2016-03-22T14:25:44 < zyp> some panels cheat and turn down the backlight brightness when you display dark shit
2016-03-22T14:25:48 < zyp> "dynamic contrast""
2016-03-22T14:26:19 < jadew> not these
2016-03-22T14:26:30 < jadew> they're too old for anything fancy like that
2016-03-22T14:27:09 < jadew> on the other hand on the new display I was able to almost match the color temperature to what I had on my old ones
2016-03-22T14:27:25 < jadew> (it has a paper mode)
2016-03-22T14:27:37 < jadew> so it's very easy on the eyes
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2016-03-22T14:39:18 < englishman> how many roos got run over at f1 this year?
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2016-03-22T15:01:48 < gxti> dongs: pin stacking? the stupid trick to make a schmatic part that wires pins together?
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2016-03-22T15:39:49 < Laurenceb_> https://developers.slashdot.org/story/16/03/22/0631212/one-million-school-children-to-get-free-bbc-microbit-computers
2016-03-22T15:40:05 < Laurenceb_> in Northern Ireland they are a year slower
2016-03-22T15:43:39 < Laurenceb_> yeah but not stm32
2016-03-22T15:44:06 < Laurenceb_> nxp I think
2016-03-22T15:44:29 < Laurenceb_> Looks like those Christians or Buddhists struck again in Brussels
2016-03-22T15:44:32 < BrainDamage> wait until they make tarduino libs for it
2016-03-22T15:44:41 < Laurenceb_> or maybe it was atheists
2016-03-22T15:44:43 < BrainDamage> then it's 1 generation ruined
2016-03-22T15:45:14 < Laurenceb_> fedora bombs
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2016-03-22T15:46:07 < Laurenceb_> actually... the photo shows a failmega
2016-03-22T15:46:10 < Laurenceb_> I'm confused
2016-03-22T15:46:28 < Laurenceb_> "The BBC Micro Bit prototype will be finished by autumn. " lol maybe they haven't decided yet
2016-03-22T15:49:03 < Laurenceb_> manufacturing and distribution partners on the project include Barclays, Freescale, Microsoft, Nordic Semiconductor, Samsung, element14, ScienceScope and Technology Will Save Us.
2016-03-22T15:49:10 < Laurenceb_> maybe freescale then
2016-03-22T15:49:17 < Laurenceb_> lulwut @ last one
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2016-03-22T16:51:07 < artag> it's a nordic chip with a freescale debug controller
2016-03-22T16:52:33 < artag> sciencescope and twsu are probably the most sane on the project. they actually know something about schools. Microsoft are why it's so late
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2016-03-22T17:35:51 < Laurenceb>  3/22/2016
2016-03-22T17:35:51 < Laurenceb> 3+2+2+2+1+6 = 16 = 1 + 6 = 7
2016-03-22T17:35:51 < Laurenceb> the jews did this
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2016-03-22T17:36:29 < Laurenceb> evidence is beyond doubt
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2016-03-22T18:58:43 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/svj7aDz
2016-03-22T18:58:47 < Laurenceb> too soon?
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2016-03-22T18:59:45 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/csehZAm.jpg
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2016-03-22T19:05:06 < qyx> ok, driving a 1:2 mosfet gate transformer directly using a GPIO pin is apparently a stupid idea
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2016-03-22T19:05:52 < Sync> no shit qyx
2016-03-22T19:06:19 < Laurenceb> if you stick a resistor in there it should be fine
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2016-03-22T19:06:28 < qyx> it is not
2016-03-22T19:06:43 < qyx> not enough current to properly charge the gate
2016-03-22T19:06:52 < Laurenceb> using pwm or something?
2016-03-22T19:06:56 < qyx> yes
2016-03-22T19:06:59 < Laurenceb> ah
2016-03-22T19:07:15 < rewolff2> In general people use a chip called "gate driver" to drive a gate.
2016-03-22T19:07:27 < qyx> in general yes
2016-03-22T19:07:40 < Laurenceb> I've never needed one
2016-03-22T19:07:40 < qyx> I am trying to get rid of the secondary side supply
2016-03-22T19:07:52 < Laurenceb> but I've never done very high power
2016-03-22T19:08:06 < rewolff2> Those tend to be able to supply 200 (old ones like ir21xx) to 1.0A (LM5109?) to even more nowadays. (I remember coming across a 2A one, but don't remember the name).
2016-03-22T19:08:23 < qyx> yes, but no isolation
2016-03-22T19:08:33 < rewolff2> *200 -> 200mA.
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2016-03-22T19:08:51 < qyx> if you want isolated drive, you have use fancy optocouplers or iCouplers or whatever
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2016-03-22T19:09:17 < qyx> and in that case you also need a dc-dc isolated supply for the gate driver
2016-03-22T19:09:31 < qyx> another approach is to use low-side gate driver and 1:1 gate transformer
2016-03-22T19:12:20 < qyx> I tried to abuse ethernet transformer for that, but no worky
2016-03-22T19:12:25 < qyx> not enough primary inductance
2016-03-22T19:12:46 < qyx> toroid core with trifilar winding works much better
2016-03-22T19:14:12 < Sync> or a commercial GDT
2016-03-22T19:14:25 < Sync> the problem is it limits you to 50% on time
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2016-03-22T19:14:50 < qyx> I need exactly 50%
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2016-03-22T19:18:41 < Laurenceb> wow this is cheap http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A-new-ICU-CCU-Patient-Monitor-6-parameter-Vital-Sign-ECG-NIBP-RESP-TEMP-SPO2-PR/111405401324?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140328180637%26meid%3Dd02971b827bc449c928e8f43ed788b9d%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D321813066803
2016-03-22T19:18:49 < Laurenceb> stupid url is stupid
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2016-03-22T19:27:22 < Sync> 500gbp?
2016-03-22T19:27:24 < Sync> yeah not too bad
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2016-03-22T19:37:57 < rewolff2> I hate it when it shows as: "buy this for $x" when on closer inspection you find that it is only the power cord for $x while the actual thing costs $xxx.....
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2016-03-22T19:41:26 < Laurenceb> costs less than my horse monitor will :-/
2016-03-22T19:42:04 < Laurenceb> lol STEVAL-SP1ML868 has "not for use in commercial products" on the silkscreen
2016-03-22T19:42:15 < Laurenceb> time for scalpel blade action
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2016-03-22T19:57:47 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8skXT5NQzCg
2016-03-22T19:57:51 < Laurenceb> 2:25 dat labview
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2016-03-22T19:59:25 < Steffanx> learn to youtube link Laurenceb
2016-03-22T19:59:50 < Steffanx> https://youtu.be/8skXT5NQzCg?t=2m25s
2016-03-22T20:00:16 < Steffanx> ( and where is the labview @ 2:25? )
2016-03-22T20:00:30 < Laurenceb> 2:18 even
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2016-03-22T20:13:51 < Laurenceb> looks like SP1ML uses simple transmission without ACK
2016-03-22T20:14:16 < Laurenceb> it should be possible to enable ACK and ARQ using the raw register write commands
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2016-03-22T20:23:40 < Laurenceb> the BGA matching ic is nice, completely transparent COG
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2016-03-22T21:28:45 < Laurenceb> wow this is pretty cool
2016-03-22T21:29:15 < Laurenceb> looks like they use variable packet size with auto send if there are no characters for a millisecond or so
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2016-03-22T21:29:20 < Laurenceb> very low lag
2016-03-22T21:29:42 < Laurenceb> like a couple of ms lag
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2016-03-22T21:43:20 < Laurenceb> lol schematic on the packet is wrong
2016-03-22T21:47:00 < Steffanx> blogging.
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2016-03-22T21:49:15 < gxti> i'm using a gate driver that peaks 6 amps i think...
2016-03-22T21:49:21 < gxti> pretty weird use case though
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2016-03-22T21:56:31 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/lwGmSbK.webm
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2016-03-22T21:59:43 < PeterM> qyx often you can get away wiht using a non isolated driver, power it from that side and just isolate the driver signals with some optos - depending on the application you may needs some compensation
2016-03-22T22:04:19 < PeterM> you can also use a totempole with bjts or fets to buffer your micros pin
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2016-03-22T22:10:03 < PeterM> bss84 + bss138 are quite fast and should be sufficient
2016-03-22T22:12:29 < qyx> PeterM: the problem is that 315V capable gate driver ICs are quite slow
2016-03-22T22:12:35 < qyx> things like ir2101
2016-03-22T22:12:58 < qyx> or more like 10 years old
2016-03-22T22:14:17 < qyx> I am just donging around like kakimir
2016-03-22T22:14:49 < PeterM> really, i thoguht last time i looked there were 3a/3a ones
2016-03-22T22:15:11 < qyx> http://www.datasheetarchive.com/files/international-rectifier/docs/wcd0000c/wcd00c2d.gif
2016-03-22T22:15:15 < qyx> I will try this one
2016-03-22T22:17:39 < PeterM> what kind of rise/fall times are you looking for on your fet?
2016-03-22T22:19:02 < qyx> it depends if I will do hard switching or zvs
2016-03-22T22:19:09 < qyx> ~150kHz
2016-03-22T22:19:33 < qyx> I have never done sich converter before, so probably trial&error approach
2016-03-22T22:20:31 < PeterM> fair nuff. http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irs21867spbf.pdf are pretty cheap if you can deal with the propogation delay http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irs21867spbf.pdf
2016-03-22T22:21:23 < gxti> i'm doing a 28mhz switcher. it's to make RF hence the high frequency. stm32 inside but not sure which yet... really just doing i2c crap
2016-03-22T22:21:44 < gxti> GaN fet. kind of nutty, no idea if it'll work
2016-03-22T22:22:22 < PeterM> gxti, not gonna find a gate drivers suitable for that imho.
2016-03-22T22:22:31 < PeterM> yeah gan fets low gate charge
2016-03-22T22:22:42 < gxti> lm5134, and two other candidates
2016-03-22T22:22:46 < gxti> not many though
2016-03-22T22:22:58 < gxti> and again i'm still not sure if it'll work. only one way to find out.
2016-03-22T22:23:17 < qyx> not on stock at farnell :S
2016-03-22T22:24:03 < PeterM> low side? you doign a 28mhz boost converter or?
2016-03-22T22:27:50 < gxti> class E rf amplifier (more of a generator really)
2016-03-22T22:28:52 < gxti> http://partiallystapled.com/~gxti/radio/2016/03/21-ebeacon.png
2016-03-22T22:29:59 < gxti> it simulates well, the gate driver is probably the biggest risk
2016-03-22T22:30:55 < gxti> oh derp, c9 and c10 should be in parallel. thanks ##stm32 for helping
2016-03-22T22:35:25 < Laurenceb> is there a way to manually set DTR in linux?
2016-03-22T22:37:13 < gxti> don't know of a tool offhand. pyserial is pretty easy to use...
2016-03-22T22:39:16 < Laurenceb> annoying
2016-03-22T22:39:28 < gxti> serial ports are usually annoying yes
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2016-03-22T22:52:48 < kakimir> hah youtubes has ad every 10minutes
2016-03-22T22:57:18 < Laurenceb> woo STEVAL modes work
2016-03-22T22:57:29 < Laurenceb> using DTR and RTS to enter and exit command mode
2016-03-22T22:57:43 < Laurenceb> perman00b TDMA should be possible
2016-03-22T23:00:46 < Laurenceb> bbl
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2016-03-22T23:10:52 < ohsix> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/olo3d/olo-the-first-ever-smartphone-3d-printer
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2016-03-22T23:21:17 < mitrax> oh yeah ... great, assuming the shit even works as advertised you can't use your phone answer calls etc when it's printing ... and it takes 4 hours to print that lame ball wireframe
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2016-03-22T23:22:52 < BrainDamage> i only glanced trough it, is it using the phone screen for stereolitography?
2016-03-22T23:22:59 < mitrax> yep
2016-03-22T23:24:04 < BrainDamage> how do they compensate for different screen characteristics? each screen has different divergence, contrast, etc
2016-03-22T23:24:23 < BrainDamage> and not all of those are going to be programmatically availble to the os
2016-03-22T23:24:44 < BrainDamage> they'd need a giant db of phones in oder to be reliable across different devices
2016-03-22T23:25:20 < BrainDamage> otherwise you'd have a small whitelist of phones where it's ok, and meh to terrible at rest
2016-03-22T23:26:01 < mitrax> it'll probably be terrible with any phone
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2016-03-22T23:26:57 < mitrax> plus i can already here the complaints from users whose phone got ruined because the resin leaked into the mic or speaker holes
2016-03-22T23:29:20 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-22T23:29:41 < ohsix> you just need an lcd you can put a picture on, people have cellphones, old ones, would get ones to have an slt printer
2016-03-22T23:29:58 < PaulFertser> Funny how Patents come before Engineering on their timeline, Firmware and Testing ends before Electronics, Certification starts long before Engineering ends etc. Total BS.
2016-03-22T23:30:00 < ohsix> it looks like they have a gasket for speakers and stuff, and probably a sticker to put on the phone
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2016-03-22T23:30:36 < mitrax> ohsix: a sticker that you put and remove each time? some people will forget, doesn't sound practical at all
2016-03-22T23:30:52 < ohsix> they've got other problems to worry about
2016-03-22T23:31:18 < ohsix> i didn't look too close at the images either, there could be a membrane on the top half that holds the goo entirely
2016-03-22T23:31:36 < ohsix> the bit that sits on t he phone rather
2016-03-22T23:31:40 < ohsix> bb
2016-03-22T23:31:41 < ohsix> l
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2016-03-23T00:06:03 < kakimir> Laurenceb: http://fi2.eu.apcdn.com/full/142687.jpg
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2016-03-23T00:25:07 < Laurenceb_> sup
2016-03-23T00:25:21 < Laurenceb_> SP1ML command line interface is a little sucky
2016-03-23T00:25:39 < Laurenceb_> it will accept hex inputs in place of numerical and visa versa
2016-03-23T00:25:52 < Laurenceb_> yet the settings dont actually work if you do that
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2016-03-23T00:26:12 < Laurenceb_> also no way to send broadcast or multicast, but it can be configured to receive
2016-03-23T00:26:13 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2016-03-23T00:26:55 < Laurenceb_> otherwise this thing pwns - 5km free space range at 200kbps
2016-03-23T00:27:18 < Laurenceb_> well in theory, I plan to test that at some point
2016-03-23T00:27:53 < BrainDamage> what mode is it? lora?
2016-03-23T00:28:20 < Laurenceb_> 2FSK
2016-03-23T00:28:41 < Laurenceb_> original and best
2016-03-23T00:28:59 < mitrax> 5km for only +11dbm? no way
2016-03-23T00:30:53 < Laurenceb_> HAB record is about 1000km for +10dBm
2016-03-23T00:31:28 < BrainDamage> the speed is sliiiiightly slower
2016-03-23T00:32:02 < mitrax> what kind of antenna are we talking about?
2016-03-23T00:32:51 < mitrax> is that for your rocket thing?
2016-03-23T00:32:51 < Laurenceb_> ceramic chip
2016-03-23T00:33:02 < Laurenceb_> mitrax: no this is a work project
2016-03-23T00:33:13 < Laurenceb_> telemetry from racehorses
2016-03-23T00:33:19 < mitrax> oh
2016-03-23T00:33:36 < Laurenceb_> I'm just thinking it'd be good for UAV stuff
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2016-03-23T00:33:46 < Laurenceb_> maybe as a taulabs add on
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2016-03-23T00:36:16 < mitrax> i'd be interested to know what range you get... cause 5km at 200kbps that sounds unrealistic to me
2016-03-23T00:36:36 < mitrax> i mean with 11dbm in a ceramic antenna
2016-03-23T00:36:55 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-03-23T00:37:25 < Laurenceb_> well ground to ground my propagation sim gives 450m to 850m range
2016-03-23T00:37:33 < Laurenceb_> this is ground to air range
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2016-03-23T00:47:28 < mitrax> propagation is one thing... i wouldn't take that range for granted for actual decoding of a possibly degraded signal due to noise and shit
2016-03-23T00:49:33 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-03-23T00:49:50 < Laurenceb_> the integrated front end filter/matching looks interesting
2016-03-23T00:50:15 < Laurenceb_> I've decapped one of the modules to take a look - looks like chip on glass flip chip BGA
2016-03-23T00:55:20 < mitrax> gaaaah of course they HAD to include nazi references in the last starwars
2016-03-23T00:55:31 < mitrax> boring
2016-03-23T01:11:07 < kakimir> I think driving bldc looks really trivial
2016-03-23T01:11:18 < kakimir> I need someone to depress me, GO
2016-03-23T01:12:01 < kakimir> TI has that integration thing for backemf
2016-03-23T01:12:43 < kakimir> I don't remember clearly name of that technology
2016-03-23T01:13:46 < kakimir> you pump texas?
2016-03-23T01:13:55 < kakimir> for a job
2016-03-23T01:14:30 < kakimir> infiltrate to competitor channels and pump some brand
2016-03-23T01:14:38 < kakimir> like I do
2016-03-23T01:14:51 < kakimir> not as a job though
2016-03-23T01:20:07 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szgVUfyX8JM this video is about that solution
2016-03-23T01:24:26 < kakimir> true
2016-03-23T01:24:35 < kakimir> every manufacturer has reference design
2016-03-23T01:24:37 < kakimir> and code
2016-03-23T01:24:44 < kakimir> just throw it together
2016-03-23T01:24:53 < kakimir> happy drivings
2016-03-23T01:25:53 < kakimir> this texas thing is superior to some solutions
2016-03-23T01:26:13  * ds2 shakes fist at the damn programmers who think variables should reflect the usage
2016-03-23T01:26:38 < kakimir> ds2: preffer random naming?
2016-03-23T01:26:42 < ds2> yes
2016-03-23T01:26:52 < kakimir> kebab1 kebab2
2016-03-23T01:27:00 < ds2> just blew 30 minutes cuz someone decided to use a misleading name
2016-03-23T01:27:09 < ds2> random would have avoided that all together
2016-03-23T01:27:26 < kakimir> you are trying to say not to use misleading names
2016-03-23T01:27:32 < kakimir> and be a dick
2016-03-23T01:27:39 < kakimir> *not be
2016-03-23T01:27:40 < ds2> I am saying not to use descriptive names.
2016-03-23T01:28:05 < ds2> random ones would sort itself out with a simple search instead of sending someone down the wrong path
2016-03-23T01:28:19 < kakimir> descriptive names are the best.. write 50charracted name to describe function of variable
2016-03-23T01:28:52 < kakimir> I actually done that
2016-03-23T01:29:34 < kakimir> emh.. not 50char but you get the idea
2016-03-23T01:31:00 < kakimir> poetry using underline as punctuation
2016-03-23T01:34:30 < kakimir> I wonder how heavy licensing that instaspin technology have
2016-03-23T01:34:42 < kakimir> if you do it on let's say stm32
2016-03-23T01:36:01 < ohsix> just don't call it instaspin
2016-03-23T01:36:13 < ohsix> it's just a trade name for something they want to obscure ;D
2016-03-23T01:38:10 < kakimir> and their piece o softare is licenced
2016-03-23T01:38:16 < Laurenceb_> how do I files https://github.com/nickgillian/grt/blob/master/gui/GRT/qcustomplot.cpp
2016-03-23T01:38:20 < ohsix> ReadError: harbor fr8 has some ok bench vises
2016-03-23T01:38:26 < Laurenceb_> 22k lines O_o
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2016-03-23T01:38:53 < ReadError> ohsix i would never buy tools from HF
2016-03-23T01:38:56 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: have you yet wound any limitation to QT?
2016-03-23T01:38:59 < ReadError> I like quality
2016-03-23T01:39:00 < kakimir> Qt
2016-03-23T01:39:07 < ohsix> ReadError: they're chunks of steel bro
2016-03-23T01:39:09 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: nope
2016-03-23T01:39:31 < Laurenceb_> it works nicely but the learning curve is steep and documentation is a bit lame in places
2016-03-23T01:39:59 < ohsix> http://www.harborfreight.com/2-1-2-half-inch-table-swivel-vise-97160.html there's a vacuum one and a drill press like one that's useful for holding pcbs
2016-03-23T01:40:29 < zyp> Qt is probably the nicest gui framework around
2016-03-23T01:40:45 < zyp> at least I haven't used any I like better
2016-03-23T01:41:13 < ohsix> ReadError: heh there are some in here that could turn a drill press into a little mill
2016-03-23T01:41:17 < Laurenceb_> it def better than wxwidgets in python
2016-03-23T01:41:51 < ohsix> probably suck but if you only have space for a drill press :p
2016-03-23T01:41:52 < Laurenceb_> not if you lie about what you use it for
2016-03-23T01:41:56 < zyp> the moc-shit for C++ feels kinda outdated compared to libsigc++ or whatever that thing they use in gtkmm was called
2016-03-23T01:42:27 < zyp> but the python bindings are nice
2016-03-23T01:42:36 < zyp> I mean, hell, even the java bindings are usable
2016-03-23T01:42:54 < zyp> (used those in java course in uni)
2016-03-23T01:43:24 < Laurenceb_> eek java
2016-03-23T01:43:53 < ohsix> qt has lots of marketing material to read R2COM2
2016-03-23T01:44:30 < ohsix> they'll usually provide their best case for 'good about fucking qt'
2016-03-23T01:44:42 < Laurenceb_> well with Qt I can make a gui without raging and smashing my pc
2016-03-23T01:44:44 < Laurenceb_> win for me
2016-03-23T01:44:57 < ohsix> qt is a rage enabler
2016-03-23T01:46:07 < Laurenceb_> but I can't work out what the reverse of setText is :-/
2016-03-23T01:46:26 < zyp> .text?
2016-03-23T01:46:30 < Laurenceb_> maybe setText("") lol
2016-03-23T01:46:42 < zyp> reverse in what sense?
2016-03-23T01:46:46 < Laurenceb_> I want to make a text annotation temporarily invisible
2016-03-23T01:46:48 < ohsix> undo text putting
2016-03-23T01:46:52 < Laurenceb_> reverse was the wrong term
2016-03-23T01:47:00 < Laurenceb_> lol sorry
2016-03-23T01:47:00 < zyp> Laurenceb_, on what object?
2016-03-23T01:47:10 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: if there are setters the reverse is usually a getter
2016-03-23T01:47:16 < Laurenceb_> textLabeltop->setText(txt_top.left(txt_top.size()-1));
2016-03-23T01:47:19 < zyp> ohsix, that's what I also thought
2016-03-23T01:47:37 < zyp> Laurenceb_, what class? QLabel?
2016-03-23T01:47:53 < Laurenceb_> so thats how I set some text, what do I do to make it dissapear, but keep a reference so I can add more text easily in future
2016-03-23T01:47:58 < zyp> from documentation it also has a clear() methdo
2016-03-23T01:48:15 < Laurenceb_> QCPItemText *textLabelbottom;
2016-03-23T01:48:20 < zyp> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qlabel.html#clear
2016-03-23T01:48:23 < Laurenceb_> ah, thanks
2016-03-23T01:48:44 < zyp> hmm, QCP is third party stuff
2016-03-23T01:49:11 < Laurenceb_> yeah I'm not sure if it reuses other stuff :-S time to search through the source
2016-03-23T01:49:21 < zyp> QCPItemText doesn't seem to have clear()
2016-03-23T01:49:53 < zyp> so I guess setText("") is fair enough
2016-03-23T01:49:59 < zyp> if it does what you need it to
2016-03-23T01:50:05 < Laurenceb_> line 20045 https://github.com/nickgillian/grt/blob/master/gui/GRT/qcustomplot.cpp
2016-03-23T01:50:13 < Laurenceb_> lets find out
2016-03-23T01:50:56 < zyp> >20k lines source file, fuck yeah!
2016-03-23T01:51:02 < zyp> (fuck the author)
2016-03-23T01:53:52 < Laurenceb_> aiui its so its easy to use - c&p then just one file to include
2016-03-23T01:54:11 < Laurenceb_> seems to work but there are so many other bugs in my code...
2016-03-23T01:54:17 < Laurenceb_> I'll stop spamming lol
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2016-03-23T01:56:45 < Laurenceb_> unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful
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2016-03-23T02:04:02 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/DZcYr36 accurate
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2016-03-23T02:23:35 < dongs> gxti: yes
2016-03-23T02:23:41 < Laurenceb_> oh shit
2016-03-23T02:23:52 < Laurenceb_> I missed emdrive documentart on bbc
2016-03-23T02:24:00 < dongs> < zyp> the more logos you can find on a kickstarter page, the more likely it is to be a scam
2016-03-23T02:24:03 < dongs> pretty much
2016-03-23T02:24:08 < Laurenceb_> status: checking blogz for torrent
2016-03-23T02:25:36 < dongs> gxti: got it to work tho. basically what you said i think, i took one pin and left it visible, then stacked, 2,3,4 on top with designator and comment hidden. tho I guess to get 1,2,3,4 to show up in designator I'll need to hide all "real" ones and put a dummy one wiht 1,2,3,4 there but not sure how thats gonna work w/footprint
2016-03-23T02:29:09 < dongs> oh, 1,2,3 is just a text label.
2016-03-23T02:29:11 < dongs> 'kay
2016-03-23T02:29:13 < dongs> lolz.
2016-03-23T02:29:23 < dongs> NOT EVEN
2016-03-23T02:29:27 < dongs> such pro soft
2016-03-23T02:29:30 < dongs> im sure orcad can do way better.
2016-03-23T02:35:54 < dongs> language code for Flemish is "dum"
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2016-03-23T02:40:41 < gxti> dongs: yes. is dumb.
2016-03-23T02:41:03 < gxti> i'd rather leave one visible than put a text label because the text label doesn't flow when you rotate the part
2016-03-23T02:45:48 < dongs> yeah
2016-03-23T02:46:03 < dongs> but if you make one visible, it has to be just one of those designators
2016-03-23T02:46:08 < dongs> you cantg name it 1,2,3,4
2016-03-23T02:46:11 < dongs> cuz it wont amtch wiht pads.
2016-03-23T02:47:28 < kakimir> if I calculate seperatelly ohmic losses for bldc
2016-03-23T02:47:52 < kakimir> do I need to do any efficiency based correction to power in addition to that
2016-03-23T02:48:36 < kakimir> or is the ohmic loss actually the inefficiency
2016-03-23T02:48:39 < kakimir> isn't it
2016-03-23T02:48:43 < dongs> subohmic losses
2016-03-23T02:48:45 < dongs> vape nation
2016-03-23T02:48:53 < kakimir> vape your motors
2016-03-23T02:49:29 < kakimir> sure
2016-03-23T02:49:37 < kakimir> just vaporize it
2016-03-23T02:49:40 < kakimir> and then
2016-03-23T02:49:51 < kakimir> inhale the vapes
2016-03-23T02:50:45 < ReadError> so high
2016-03-23T02:50:56 < ReadError> lil GHB in the mix too
2016-03-23T02:51:07 < ReadError> gotta get that HGH pumpin
2016-03-23T02:51:30 < kakimir> enought GHB in the mix
2016-03-23T02:52:02 < ReadError> wat
2016-03-23T03:04:55 < kakimir> what is G?
2016-03-23T03:11:20 < kakimir> I wonder if 80g brushless in slowflyier will thake close to 40W of ohmic heat
2016-03-23T03:11:40 < kakimir> inside the slowflyer fuselage without forced ventilation but just some holes
2016-03-23T03:12:05 < kakimir> maybe streamline those holes so it actually suck
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2016-03-23T03:21:35 < ColdKeyboard> What's the best way to store 16byte array on chip that will be preserved during power off?
2016-03-23T03:23:30 < kakimir> like backup block?
2016-03-23T03:23:35 < kakimir> vbat powered?
2016-03-23T03:24:10 < kakimir> just write it to flash if you can?
2016-03-23T03:24:10 < ColdKeyboard> No, I need it to be backed up completely. Like in flash or something like that
2016-03-23T03:24:29 < kakimir> what is the issue then?
2016-03-23T03:24:35 < ColdKeyboard> How often and how fast can I write at flash?
2016-03-23T03:25:46 < kakimir> well it's bad idea to keep updated value in flash
2016-03-23T03:25:57 < kakimir> *values
2016-03-23T03:26:29 < ohsix> find more stuff to store so you don't waste an entire erase block on it
2016-03-23T03:26:33 < ohsix> round robin
2016-03-23T03:26:41 < ohsix> otherwise find a smarter ftl thing that tries to do a bit more
2016-03-23T03:28:22 < ColdKeyboard> Would it be a terrible idea to use something like this unsigned char *data_ptr = (unsigned char*)0x1000000;
2016-03-23T03:28:40 < ColdKeyboard> And then just update data_ptr[0-16] values?
2016-03-23T03:29:08 < ColdKeyboard> Or is it just allowed for reading flash addresses?
2016-03-23T03:29:09 < ohsix> you can write a monotonic count across a few erase pages and scan for the highest next time you load it, then go to the next when you store it; find out what the flash is rated for, it'll be like 100k writes, take how often you must do it, see how many years that is
2016-03-23T03:29:15 < ohsix> find out how many years it has to be reliable for
2016-03-23T03:30:14 < ohsix> it's probabl ynot forever, and you can find out what it is if you use one sector, then just use n sectors
2016-03-23T03:31:30 < ColdKeyboard> Thanks for the idea! I'll try to figure out how to implement it now.
2016-03-23T03:32:12 < kakimir> wait what is the motor voltage that does the jubs
2016-03-23T03:32:24 < kakimir> is it equeals to backemf?
2016-03-23T03:32:52 < kakimir> when you try to calclucate powers
2016-03-23T03:32:56 < ohsix> the part you have might also have eeprom and it has different tradeoffs
2016-03-23T03:33:56 < ohsix> also consider low power modes that preserve a few words of sram, you can compare that battery life to the endurance of the flash, battery might win
2016-03-23T03:37:12 < ColdKeyboard> ohsix I'm using STM32F072RB so it doesn't have any EEPROM. I guess I can implement it in flash and then have a separate function that will store values in "eeprom" just when I want to or when user specificaly say "Ok, save this values because I'm about to shut down this device, or these are the values I would like to have a backup of" :)
2016-03-23T03:37:49 < ohsix> werd
2016-03-23T03:38:25 < ohsix> looks like st has a thing you can use http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00165693.pdf
2016-03-23T03:38:31 < ohsix> probably not the only appnote about it, just first i saw
2016-03-23T03:40:27 < ohsix> you can store the number of sectors erased as you rewrite them as some sort of wear indicator if you want to know when it's about to reach the specified write cycles or something
2016-03-23T03:41:35 < ohsix> the l0 cores have some pretty low power power states
2016-03-23T03:41:52 < ohsix> ah nm
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2016-03-23T03:43:28 < ColdKeyboard> It's not a criticall to have that option but I would consider it a feature if device would remmember PWM values after the power is turned off/on. :)
2016-03-23T03:43:45 < ColdKeyboard> Also, what is the easiest/best way to access the 96-bit UID of the chip?
2016-03-23T03:43:59 < ohsix> don't you just read it?
2016-03-23T03:44:11 < ColdKeyboard> I see that he base address is location at 0x1FFF F7AC
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2016-03-23T04:24:17 < kakimir> I wonder if 42% total efficiency for electric propelling is good for slow 1kg glider
2016-03-23T04:24:47 < kakimir> 58% wasted energy
2016-03-23T04:27:40 < kakimir> I need to oversize more the prop
2016-03-23T04:27:44 < kakimir> make it size of the plane
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2016-03-23T04:34:00 < kakimir> prop I had lost efficiency just in the velocity range of the glider
2016-03-23T04:35:13 < kakimir> it has like edge right up at maximum speed
2016-03-23T04:35:20 < kakimir> of the glider
2016-03-23T04:36:03 < ColdKeyboard> How do I read the 96bit UID? I tried something like this but it doesn't work. MCU freezes after trying to read the data
2016-03-23T04:36:07 < ColdKeyboard> #define STM32_UUID ((uint32_t *)0x1FFF7A10)
2016-03-23T04:36:15 < ColdKeyboard> uint32_t idPart1 = STM32_UUID[0];
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2016-03-23T04:41:40 < englishman> close but no cigar
2016-03-23T04:43:10 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: sounds quite poor
2016-03-23T04:43:47 < Laurenceb_> hmm that reminds me, I was going to write a paper on container freight via supermassive airship
2016-03-23T04:44:02 < Laurenceb_> I was getting >85% prop efficiency in sims for that project
2016-03-23T04:46:09  * Laurenceb_ is too depressed by the whole scientific publishing thing to bother any more
2016-03-23T04:47:10 < ColdKeyboard> Can someone help me with reading devices unique ID? :\
2016-03-23T04:47:37 < Laurenceb_> you do 18 months of cat herding trying to organise co-authors only for the journal to reject it
2016-03-23T04:49:45 < Laurenceb_> what could possibly go wrong http://imgur.com/IRdghID
2016-03-23T04:49:54 < englishman> ColdKeyboard: whered you get that address from?
2016-03-23T04:50:07 < englishman> my 072 datasheet has different
2016-03-23T04:50:22 < ColdKeyboard> Datasheet page 933
2016-03-23T04:50:33 < englishman> im there
2016-03-23T04:50:33 < ColdKeyboard> Base address: 0x1FFF F7AC
2016-03-23T04:50:41 < englishman> right
2016-03-23T04:51:22 < englishman> copypaste fail?
2016-03-23T04:51:24  * ColdKeyboard facepalms...
2016-03-23T04:51:29 < englishman> canadians
2016-03-23T04:51:46 < englishman> also its a unique id not a UUID
2016-03-23T04:52:05 < ColdKeyboard> Thanks
2016-03-23T04:52:16 < ColdKeyboard> It's 4AM and I need to go to sleep badly :)
2016-03-23T04:52:29 < englishman> oh i thought you were canadian
2016-03-23T04:52:46 < englishman> maybe that was FrozenKeyboard
2016-03-23T04:53:01 < englishman> no excuses, then
2016-03-23T04:53:08 < ColdKeyboard> I'm moving to Canada in 10 days :)
2016-03-23T04:53:13 < englishman> sorry to hear that
2016-03-23T04:53:28 < englishman> have you already found a good moose rifle
2016-03-23T04:53:42 < ColdKeyboard> I'm not sorry. I'm moving from Serbia :)
2016-03-23T04:54:09 < ColdKeyboard> Nah, I'll just show him my code, he will cry himself to death :)
2016-03-23T04:54:13 < englishman> oh neato
2016-03-23T04:54:21 < englishman> bring some plum wine
2016-03-23T04:55:57 < ColdKeyboard> I will. I'm not sure if "rakija" gets under the wine category but then again I don't know how would I categorise it... :)
2016-03-23T04:56:21 < englishman> plum brandy, im not picky
2016-03-23T04:59:38 < ColdKeyboard> I know a guy who makes "rakija" from banannas, pears, peaches, plums... They all have a quite nice taste. :)
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2016-03-23T05:09:15 < englishman> where you headed to?
2016-03-23T05:15:33 < Laurenceb_> ColdKeyboard http://imgur.com/DZcYr36
2016-03-23T05:15:56 < ColdKeyboard> englishman Toronto
2016-03-23T05:16:28 < englishman> cool, the t-dot is great, i guess you already have work ready
2016-03-23T05:16:55 < englishman> Laurenceb_: thats accurate except replace the bloc with an empty square
2016-03-23T05:17:03 < Laurenceb_> I have a cousin in Toronto, he works in fire department
2016-03-23T05:17:11 < ColdKeyboard> englishman, I have few interviews arranged. Hope one of them will land a job. :)
2016-03-23T05:17:30 < Laurenceb_> so if he saves you, you have to pay me
2016-03-23T05:17:39 < ColdKeyboard> Laurenceb_ I'm not yet there so I don't get that image. Also I have aversion towards politics :)
2016-03-23T05:18:07 < englishman> for sure you will, if you can speak and write 10 words in english and know the difference between raspberry pi 1 and 2
2016-03-23T05:18:18 < Laurenceb_> only part time, rest of the time he does some sort of weird massage shit
2016-03-23T05:18:20 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2016-03-23T05:19:55 < ColdKeyboard> englishman, I'll let you know how it goes. If those are the requirements then my grandmom can apply for a job. :)
2016-03-23T05:20:36 < englishman> be prepared for density and high prices :)
2016-03-23T05:21:54 < ColdKeyboard> I will :)
2016-03-23T05:23:07 < Laurenceb_> at least Canadian food is better than US
2016-03-23T05:23:13 < englishman> omfg yes
2016-03-23T05:23:20 < Laurenceb_> US is kind of like UK with really shit food
2016-03-23T05:23:34 < Laurenceb_> and mains water thats piped direct from local river with 0 treatment
2016-03-23T05:24:05 < Laurenceb_> first time I went to US I was like "I heard the water is bad.. but surely its drinkable"
2016-03-23T05:24:08 < englishman> plz blog about serbian adventures in canada
2016-03-23T05:24:15 < Laurenceb_> then I spat out the pond water
2016-03-23T05:24:26 < Laurenceb_> never been to aus, plane is too expensive
2016-03-23T05:25:18 < Sync> go there by boat
2016-03-23T05:25:22 < Laurenceb_> if you live in UK and only ever eat at mcdonald and buy food from ASDA thats like living in USA
2016-03-23T05:25:36 < Laurenceb_> which isnt surprising as ASDA==Walmart
2016-03-23T05:27:46 < Laurenceb_> vomit in a plastic bag bulldozed into a warehouse with no prize labels == trying to buy food in USA
2016-03-23T05:27:57 < ColdKeyboard> McDonalds is generally crap but I was pleasantlly surprised when I tried coffe in Wiena's McDonalds
2016-03-23T05:28:32 < ColdKeyboard> It wasn't like someone scooped some drit and put some hot water over it :)
2016-03-23T05:29:38 < ColdKeyboard> However McDonalds coffe in Serbia is like someone grounded dry dog poop into your coffe and poured hot water over it :)
2016-03-23T05:30:05 < Sync> all about the demographic you cater for
2016-03-23T05:31:51 < ColdKeyboard> That's true
2016-03-23T05:32:08 < ColdKeyboard> Harsh, but true. :)
2016-03-23T05:34:12 < englishman> fun fact: im the same distance from toronto as prague is from belgrade
2016-03-23T05:34:19 < englishman> and thats considered a short commute
2016-03-23T05:34:45 < Laurenceb_> hyperloop time
2016-03-23T05:34:56 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/o5ODvs6 <- green party is popular /s
2016-03-23T05:36:18 < ColdKeyboard> You reminded me. Is Trump going to win in US or is it just a show programme for the mentaly retarded?
2016-03-23T05:37:17 < englishman> he will, everything between now and nov 8 is a formality
2016-03-23T05:37:36 < Laurenceb_> Republican party will try to rewrite rules on the fly so he can't win
2016-03-23T05:37:39 < englishman> actually, both statements are true
2016-03-23T05:37:40 < Laurenceb_> epic lulz will result
2016-03-23T05:37:46 < aandrew> yeah I've been ot of the loop for a week
2016-03-23T05:37:48 < aandrew> what's happened
2016-03-23T05:37:57 < Laurenceb_> Trump winning Arizona
2016-03-23T05:38:03 < englishman> trump is awesome, ie situation unchanged
2016-03-23T05:38:15 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-23T05:38:28 < Laurenceb_> 3:38am O_o
2016-03-23T05:38:32  * Laurenceb_ zzz
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2016-03-23T05:56:11 < ohsix> u
2016-03-23T05:56:45 < ohsix> actually trump presidency is being ranked as existential threat to the world, along with global warming and islamic terrorism
2016-03-23T05:57:14 < dongs> trump is #1
2016-03-23T05:58:30 < dongs> whats funnier is people getting really defensive about it too
2016-03-23T05:58:44 < dongs> like they would probably kill someone with american guns taht they own
2016-03-23T05:58:50 < ohsix> who did moderates compare hitler to back in the day
2016-03-23T05:58:51 < dongs> if they disagreed about thier president choice
2016-03-23T05:59:06 < ohsix> was there a proto hitler or did people not get a taste of facism until then
2016-03-23T06:00:07 < ohsix> you wouldn't want to trivialize 'threats'
2016-03-23T06:00:30 < ohsix> it's like being trolled, if you react to people who are being provocative to be provocative, you're going to look like a retard
2016-03-23T06:01:04 < ohsix> .
2016-03-23T06:01:31 < ohsix> he obviously doesn't
2016-03-23T06:01:52 < ohsix> he can say 'back in my day we'd beat them up' then wait for someone else to do it, and claim he had nothing to do with it
2016-03-23T06:02:31 < ohsix> a useless truism
2016-03-23T06:03:08 < ohsix> think of things as if they had 'so then' at the end of the statements
2016-03-23T06:03:15 < ohsix> 'everything is show so then x'
2016-03-23T06:03:38 < ohsix> that way you can make a point about something instead of just saying a bunch of stuff that people can't really disagree with
2016-03-23T06:04:14 < ohsix> who decides what is proper
2016-03-23T06:04:29 < dongs> sup assburgers
2016-03-23T06:04:33 < ohsix> do they have a name
2016-03-23T06:04:35 < dongs> R2COM2: dont you have some LoL streams to watch
2016-03-23T06:04:38 < dongs> or was it arma2
2016-03-23T06:04:51 < ohsix> dongs: fixed keybed, would still like to find out who makes them
2016-03-23T06:04:58 < ohsix> R2COM2: ok so like a few million people?
2016-03-23T06:05:03 < ohsix> how do they coordinate and organize
2016-03-23T06:05:59 < ohsix> dongs: markings on the back that aren't chinese '25 <chinese>-N_V3" "091118" ru cert numbers, 'E190089' 'CFR-1 94V-0'
2016-03-23T06:06:04 < ohsix> i think that's flammability stuff
2016-03-23T06:06:30 < ohsix> the pcb stock is single sided and has a KH stamp on it every 3 inches
2016-03-23T06:07:19 < ohsix> what about the people that aren't willing to punch some black people
2016-03-23T06:07:30 < ohsix> what's the proportion of those, maybe 30 million?
2016-03-23T06:07:40 < ohsix> any black people they can swing at and get away with it
2016-03-23T06:08:03 < ohsix> interesting
2016-03-23T06:08:08 < ohsix> so less than 300 million people
2016-03-23T06:08:51 < ohsix> what is a sheeple, 300 million sounds like the population of a country
2016-03-23T06:09:56 < ohsix> if you can't figure out who they are how are sheeple supposed to
2016-03-23T06:10:20 < ohsix> who is they
2016-03-23T06:10:33 < ohsix> and is that different than a social democracy
2016-03-23T06:10:40 < ohsix> aren't they dead?
2016-03-23T06:10:57 < ohsix> thomas jefferson is alive?
2016-03-23T06:11:23 < dongs> which STM32 does trump use
2016-03-23T06:11:27 < dongs> and does he use cube or not.
2016-03-23T06:11:37 < dongs> asking all the real questions.
2016-03-23T06:11:43 < dongs>  / importnat
2016-03-23T06:12:07 < ohsix> secret jews????????
2016-03-23T06:12:50 < ohsix> are you a religious person, cuz you are carrying all the hallmarks of the christian variety
2016-03-23T06:13:26 < ohsix> does he have an allegory like the tower of babel
2016-03-23T06:13:45 < ohsix> rusure
2016-03-23T06:14:00 < ohsix> isn't there something like a world tree
2016-03-23T06:15:24 < ohsix> japanese games really rip off other mythologies, cuz they're not christian they don't have to be censored during localization
2016-03-23T06:16:16 < ohsix> dongs: which midi controller do you have
2016-03-23T06:16:30 < ohsix> i'm thinking of getting a 49 boring one and another thing with knobs
2016-03-23T06:20:39 < ohsix> nektar makes neat looking instruments
2016-03-23T06:21:55 < dongs> layout  some ICs and put autism6 on ignore
2016-03-23T06:22:02 < dongs> let's talk pro orcad features instead.
2016-03-23T06:23:30 < ohsix> SHEEPLE
2016-03-23T06:25:17 < ohsix> watching a presentation where a dude shows how printf is turing complete, cuz it can read/write and have conditionals
2016-03-23T06:25:35 < ohsix> https://github.com/HexHive/printbf
2016-03-23T06:29:10 < ohsix> the dude probably picked brainfuck just so people couldn't literally start using it directly
2016-03-23T06:29:29 < dongs> c2c3 or wahtever shit is boring as fuck
2016-03-23T06:29:41 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-23T06:29:49 < dongs> then stop pasting it.
2016-03-23T06:29:57 < ohsix> gotta watch them on 2x speed and i still have a bunch in a watch later list
2016-03-23T06:30:22 < ohsix> you got to skip the 52 minute presentation, you're welcome
2016-03-23T06:30:40 < ohsix> had it on while i was working
2016-03-23T06:31:23 < ohsix> subvert program
2016-03-23T06:31:41 < ohsix> sleeple
2016-03-23T06:32:42 < ohsix> what should i do about it
2016-03-23T06:33:28 < ohsix> but doesn't that help the unknowable controllers that run the thing
2016-03-23T06:33:59 < ohsix> assume you've given me information that i really need to be concerned about, doesn't that just make you a dick if you have no idea about how to deal with the concept?
2016-03-23T06:34:01 < ohsix> control of what
2016-03-23T06:34:29 < ohsix> if i could control the banking system i wouldn't want to, i'd have someone else do it
2016-03-23T06:34:41 < ohsix> if it doesn't hurt you then it must not be a big deal?
2016-03-23T06:34:54 < ohsix> there is a global banking system, doesn't that make you some sort of lateral sheeperson?
2016-03-23T06:35:08 < ohsix> your country participates in the world bank
2016-03-23T06:35:24 < ohsix> if i were mobile what would it mean, and what do i need to adapt to
2016-03-23T06:35:31 < ohsix> things aren't changing so it doesn't sound like i need to adapt
2016-03-23T06:35:36 < ohsix> what are the things?
2016-03-23T06:36:13 < ohsix> name one thing, one event, one reason for that event
2016-03-23T06:36:17 < englishman> found a hat for dongs http://s2.freebeacon.com/up/2016/03/trumpmarcyarmulke.jpg
2016-03-23T06:36:22 < ohsix> which types of events do you understand
2016-03-23T06:37:01 < ohsix> i think i talked to some people who understood a thing, and they were able to tell me all the things as they understood them, i had my best chance at that point to understand the things
2016-03-23T06:37:15 < ohsix> you keep using 'it', which part of the election? it hasn't happened yet
2016-03-23T06:37:26 < ohsix> there have been some things they call debates, and some primaries and caucuses
2016-03-23T06:37:41 < dongs> cactuses
2016-03-23T06:37:43 < ohsix> the whole process certainly includes having a president at all?
2016-03-23T06:38:06 < ohsix> and then it is going to involve the constitution and the multiple branches of government, what a mess
2016-03-23T06:38:27 < ohsix> are stupid people supposed to vote? what are they supposed to do if it's all a show
2016-03-23T06:38:51 < ohsix> this is like one of those thought experiments
2016-03-23T06:39:18 < ohsix> explain how you could know the universe wasn't created 5 minutes ago with everyone already having the knowledge they have
2016-03-23T06:39:49 < ohsix> could you prove the universe wasn't created 5 minutes ago?
2016-03-23T06:40:12 < ohsix> it could be one really elaborate fiction
2016-03-23T06:40:25 < ohsix> you think you k now that, b ut you could have been created with those thoughts
2016-03-23T06:40:55 < ohsix> think of what you would do if you couldn't prove the world wasn't created 5 minutes ago
2016-03-23T06:40:58 < ohsix> (because you can't)
2016-03-23T06:41:06 < ohsix> how would that advise you, knowing that you could or not
2016-03-23T06:41:46 < ohsix> more than you would be if you didn't know it was actually 10 minutes ago?
2016-03-23T06:41:58 < ohsix> the point is that you can't
2016-03-23T06:42:54 < ohsix> you'll have to do a bit more than assert that it is irrelevant or hypothetical
2016-03-23T06:43:02 < ohsix> the world could have been created 5 minutes ago
2016-03-23T06:43:20 < ohsix> then you are sheeple
2016-03-23T06:44:55 < ohsix> is anyone keeping score, can they call it when someone says 'no you are'
2016-03-23T06:45:20 < ohsix> if you can imply conspiracy such that you have, you do have a problem with the concept of a universe created 5 minutes ago
2016-03-23T06:45:27 < ohsix> Q ED
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2016-03-23T06:47:37 < dongs> R2COM2: i love you
2016-03-23T06:47:51 < dongs> thanks for getting autism6 out of here
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2016-03-23T07:45:41 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Microcontroller/Display-analog-inputs/
2016-03-23T07:46:21 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Java/need-guy-with-knowledge-binary/
2016-03-23T07:52:02 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/php/Mobile-application-can-read-raw/
2016-03-23T07:52:04 < dongs> ahahahaahhaahahhaah
2016-03-23T07:52:20 < dongs> 300 Chilean Peso equals
2016-03-23T07:52:21 < dongs> 0.4454 US Dollar
2016-03-23T07:53:18 < dongs> wonder if al lthose dumb pakis bidding
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2016-03-23T08:24:39 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/firmware-software-from-gerbers-bom/
2016-03-23T08:24:42 < dongs> haha
2016-03-23T08:24:47 < dongs> > it was designed by a freelancer on here but i didnt pay him so i cant get the files from him cheers
2016-03-23T08:27:26 < jpa-> totally legit
2016-03-23T08:28:51 < PeterM> gxti, i misread your thing thismorning, but i read it again thisafternoon - yeah, i think the lm5134 will be able to drive a reasonable GaN fet at those speeds no worries, i've used a ISL55110 to drive a IRF510 at 13.56mhz and there was no issues, the lm5134 is a much much mroe powerful driver with better specs in almost every way,. and your GaN fets will give tiny gate charge and capacitances compared to the IRF510
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2016-03-23T08:30:19 < PeterM> on a side note if you are concerned abotu cooking GaNfets when stuffing around with it, the IRF510 might be suitable for prototyping - just suggesting because i know GaN fets haev super sensitive gates.
2016-03-23T08:30:52 < upgrdman> how are the more sensitive?
2016-03-23T08:31:07 < upgrdman> s/the/they
2016-03-23T08:31:14 < dongs> why would  you pwm a fet at 13.56 mhz isnt that RFID shit
2016-03-23T08:31:18 < PeterM> oh, nad if you can, get a fet with a kelvin source connectionso you can put your pilot fet on the seperate source connection
2016-03-23T08:31:18 < dongs> were you making a RFID jammer
2016-03-23T08:32:23 < PeterM> upgrdman, the gates have a much smalelr dielectric and lower breakdown, they only tolerate to like 5v instead of 20v, and with such high pseed gate drive, parasitic inductances etc can cause rinigng which will cook a fet in short order
2016-03-23T08:32:44 < dongs> o.
2016-03-23T08:32:44 < upgrdman> k
2016-03-23T08:32:46 < PeterM> dongs no, 13.56 is ISM band, so you can do what you want on in
2016-03-23T08:33:43 < PeterM> i was fuckign around trying to use parasitices for the magnetics on a boost converter
2016-03-23T08:35:14 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Project-Management/Looking-for-Local-Chinese-Electrical/ upgrdman job 4 u
2016-03-23T08:35:32 < upgrdman> lol
2016-03-23T08:35:57 < dongs> take it as side job while chilling in china
2016-03-23T08:36:16 < upgrdman> ya, cause freelancer is such a good lead
2016-03-23T08:36:38 < dongs> perfect CV filler
2016-03-23T08:37:01 < PeterM> anyone have an account with MPS? i wanna get the datasheet for a MP6534
2016-03-23T08:37:09 < PeterM> but oyu gotta have an accoount
2016-03-23T08:37:37 < dongs> i can axe my taiwanpal
2016-03-23T08:38:24 < dongs> "call factory"
2016-03-23T08:38:30 < dongs> that sounds like something that isnt even released yet
2016-03-23T08:38:31 < PeterM> cherers
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2016-03-23T08:38:44 < PeterM> ive seen it in a product
2016-03-23T08:38:50 < dongs> huhuhuhu
2016-03-23T08:39:31 < PeterM> and i want to clone that product, i want to see datasheet to see if use it or TI part
2016-03-23T08:39:49 < dongs> rite
2016-03-23T08:40:02 < dongs> twpal asked, will see reply
2016-03-23T08:41:29 < jpa-> who broke github
2016-03-23T08:41:57 < dongs> works for me
2016-03-23T08:41:59 < dongs> whats broken
2016-03-23T08:42:16 < jpa-> doesn't load for me
2016-03-23T08:42:24 < jpa-> maybe i've stolen too many codes for today
2016-03-23T08:42:44 < dongs> I see MPS Japan has a track record of replying my emails super propmptly
2016-03-23T08:42:49 < dongs> i ahve like 3 since 2010
2016-03-23T08:42:52 < dongs> not a single one answered
2016-03-23T08:43:49 < dongs> PeterM: the fuck is it with MPS being almost completely off google
2016-03-23T08:44:03 < dongs> like all teh hits for thier part numbers are datasheet caches @ mouser or someshit
2016-03-23T08:44:08 < dongs> like not a single hit of the acutal seite
2016-03-23T08:47:17 < dongs> nice
2016-03-23T08:47:21 < dongs> PeterM: twpal delivered
2016-03-23T08:51:06 < dongs> that looks like a pretty cute part for an cloneESC
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2016-03-23T09:08:21 < PeterM> yeah, i found it inside a brushless chainsaw
2016-03-23T09:08:33 < dongs> nice
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2016-03-23T09:17:16 < PeterM> gah, i dont think its suitable for what i want - i'd have to add too many externals for it to work and that would ame it biogger and more expensive than what iwanted
2016-03-23T09:17:28 < ohsix> what's up
2016-03-23T09:19:21 < dongs> PeterM: like wat? doesnt it already do pretty much everything
2016-03-23T09:19:28 < dongs> or do you wanna vape in 3 phases
2016-03-23T09:20:14 < ohsix> so many watts
2016-03-23T09:20:22 < ohsix> get out your resistor calculators
2016-03-23T09:21:56 < ohsix> it's a bummer the vapor pressure isn't lower on the fluids, dicking around with carbs lately; they do amaze things with gas, very dense vapors
2016-03-23T09:22:06 < ohsix> with just some venturi's
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2016-03-23T09:28:24 < PeterM_obile> Dongs the pwm input is a single input for high and low,  and it doesn't have tristate,  that's on a separate pin
2016-03-23T09:29:10 < dongs> right
2016-03-23T09:29:30 < dongs> is that a problem tho?
2016-03-23T09:30:09 < PeterM_obile> It is a bit,  it means there is a delay when you want to float the phase
2016-03-23T09:30:13 < dongs> i think me and simon did something for a driver that was like that
2016-03-23T09:31:32 < ohsix> haha the guy that almost cut his finger off with a knife on tosh.0 took down the video
2016-03-23T09:31:38 < PeterM_obile> On most that have single pin pwm you can float the pwm and it will auto tristate in maybe 20ns,  but with the extra pin there is a extra delay for the enable pin of like 200ns
2016-03-23T09:33:52 < dongs> where do you evne see that timing
2016-03-23T09:33:56 < PeterM_obile> Also,  the drive strength leaves a bit to be desired - however the equivalent ti part is rubbish drive strength too
2016-03-23T09:34:07 < dongs> TI has somethinb with a built in buck?
2016-03-23T09:34:26 < dongs> I know ti has shitty drivers but last i looked they were all pretty shitty
2016-03-23T09:34:31 < PeterM_obile> Yeah,  but it is in like htssop-1000 pavkage
2016-03-23T09:34:33 < dongs> or huge
2016-03-23T09:34:37 < dongs> yeah, that.
2016-03-23T09:35:03 < PeterM_obile> Drv8302 would be nice if you trimmed the fat and put it in a qfn
2016-03-23T09:35:26 < dongs> lul, literally 1000htssop
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2016-03-23T09:36:09 < dongs> ah, the tI thing is just separate hihg/low.
2016-03-23T09:36:31 < dongs> wheer ytou get this 200ns timing from?
2016-03-23T09:36:45 < PeterM_obile> The thing is like as big as the combined area of the 6+ fets it would be driving
2016-03-23T09:37:02 < PeterM_obile> Link ds again (notice mobile now)
2016-03-23T09:38:57 < dongs> deadtime is adjustable
2016-03-23T09:39:06 < dongs> i dont really see how separate enable pin would cause 200ns delay on stuff
2016-03-23T09:39:38 < dongs> is that Ton?
2016-03-23T09:39:53 < dongs> er no thats buck regulator.
2016-03-23T09:40:35 < PeterM_obile> Nah I think i looked at the fig.  For the buck instead.
2016-03-23T09:40:41 < PeterM_obile> My bad
2016-03-23T09:41:05 < PeterM_obile> There is no information in the ENA/ENB/ENC timings
2016-03-23T09:41:11 < dongs> correct
2016-03-23T09:43:03 < PeterM_obile> I do think there will be some delay though - more than propagation delay
2016-03-23T09:44:31 < PeterM_obile> Which it doesn't even tell you :(
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2016-03-23T10:01:03 < ohsix> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Cheapest-scotch-whisky-wholesale-from-China_1749617973.html?spm=a2700.7724856.35.1.uHm0Rf&s=p alibaba is great
2016-03-23T10:01:35 < ohsix> hahah aged 12 years, yea riiiiiiight
2016-03-23T10:01:49 < XTL> Melkein herättää uteliaisuutta :-D
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2016-03-23T10:02:25 < XTL> Tarviis enää labran jolle tuota voi syöttää
2016-03-23T10:03:05 < ohsix> wow, maybe not; their facilities look legit
2016-03-23T10:03:31 < XTL> Oops, echan
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2016-03-23T10:08:46 < dongs> yeah
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2016-03-23T10:08:58 < dongs> there's some graphs but nothingreally clear
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2016-03-23T10:11:08 < PeterM_obile> I think I might brototype a RT9629A/B board
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2016-03-23T10:12:02 < PeterM_obile> See if the shootthrough protection/zero crossing detect plays havok or not
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2016-03-23T10:25:01 < dongs> http://www.amazingic.com/english/03_news/01_list.php AMAZING news
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2016-03-23T10:25:10 < dongs> emeb should fix his shit
2016-03-23T10:25:54 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Apple-cable-soldering/
2016-03-23T10:29:01 < zyp> amaze
2016-03-23T10:31:45 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/m9EebaF.gif horse
2016-03-23T10:31:50 < ohsix> makin' gifz
2016-03-23T10:32:06 < PeterM_obile> Amazing ics, how bout potato chips http://www.potatosemi.com/ ?
2016-03-23T10:32:28 < dongs> haha
2016-03-23T10:32:43 < dongs> too bad they dont have anything useful
2016-03-23T10:33:50 < PeterM_obile> But dongs,  1.125ghz hex inverters!
2016-03-23T10:33:58 < PeterM_obile> And nand gates
2016-03-23T10:34:04 < zyp> haha
2016-03-23T10:34:10 < dongs> oh fuck just noticed that
2016-03-23T10:34:29 < dongs> what teh fuck is even the target audience for this
2016-03-23T10:34:31 < dongs> SpaceX?
2016-03-23T10:35:20 < PeterM_obile> Got a system based on 74 series and want it to go faster but don't want to learn vhdl?  No problem!  Potatosemi!
2016-03-23T10:35:34 < PeterM_obile> *shrugs*
2016-03-23T10:36:15 < PeterM_obile> I can think of uses of ghz clockbuffers though
2016-03-23T10:37:15 < dongs> http://hackaday.com/2013/03/21/nandputer-is-mostly-wiring/
2016-03-23T10:37:21 < dongs> redo this in ghz.
2016-03-23T10:37:29 < zyp> haha
2016-03-23T10:38:11 < ohsix> wouldn't work maaaan
2016-03-23T10:39:19 < PeterM_obile> Bloody hell,  even just moving from dip shit to smt would shrink that by massive amounts
2016-03-23T10:39:31 < dongs> but then it wouldnt be on hackaday
2016-03-23T10:39:41 < dongs> hackaday hates professionally made PCBs
2016-03-23T10:41:49 < PeterM_obile> Sc-75 is the next size down from sc-70 right?
2016-03-23T10:42:16 < ohsix> does hackaday ever express preference wrt pcbs
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2016-03-23T10:48:39 < Thorn> are there any <$100 lab psus on aliexpress that won't catch fire or kill my project with a transient?
2016-03-23T10:49:13 < zyp> idk about aliexpress, but the $100 or whatever tenma thing is not bad
2016-03-23T10:50:02 < zyp> 72-10480
2016-03-23T10:50:04 < Thorn> I've been reading about tenma, apparently it's a farnell brand
2016-03-23T10:50:17 < zyp> that might be, I bought mine from farnell
2016-03-23T10:50:41 < zyp> http://no.farnell.com/tenma/72-10480/power-supply-1ch-30v-3a-adjustable/dp/2251946
2016-03-23T10:50:45 < PeterM_obile> If your ok with smps aliexpress search for gophert/gopher
2016-03-23T10:50:53 < ohsix> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Hot-selling-disposable-midi-size-adult_60377464832.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.lJyJa5&s=p heh
2016-03-23T10:52:41 < ReadError> whats dongulating
2016-03-23T10:53:24 < PeterM_obile> ohsix: I'm not going to click that because I get the feeling my suggested items would change
2016-03-23T10:53:49 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZb9YtTLT1E
2016-03-23T10:53:49 < PeterM_obile> ReadError:  are you aboutm
2016-03-23T10:53:56 < ReadError> bottom vision coming soion ;)
2016-03-23T10:53:58 < ReadError> soon
2016-03-23T10:54:06 < ReadError> im about dat life
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2016-03-23T11:18:40 < Thorn> that tenma psu looks nice
2016-03-23T11:18:46 < Thorn> >10mV / 1mA resolution
2016-03-23T11:20:36 < zyp> yeah, I bought some chinese shit from ebay first
2016-03-23T11:20:37 < Thorn> too bad farnel seems to have stopped shipping directly and local resellers have like 70% markup
2016-03-23T11:20:44 < zyp> which didn't work
2016-03-23T11:20:52 < zyp> and then I found the tenma
2016-03-23T11:20:58 < zyp> at the same price
2016-03-23T11:21:05 < zyp> "man, why did I bother with that ebay shit"
2016-03-23T11:21:25 < zyp> ebay seller didn't want to give me a refund, so he sent another instead
2016-03-23T11:21:40 < zyp> so now I've got three benchtop supplies, of which one doesn't work
2016-03-23T11:21:55 < zyp> yeah
2016-03-23T11:21:56 < jpa-> Thorn: tme.eu has pretty nice selection on power supplies also
2016-03-23T11:22:07 < jpa-> (and they ship directly)
2016-03-23T11:22:16 < zyp> I've thought about crossreferencing signals between them with the scope to see if I can figure out what's wrong
2016-03-23T11:22:20 < ReadError> zyp I have the same one
2016-03-23T11:22:26 < zyp> it turns on, but voltage regulation is stuck at 0V
2016-03-23T11:22:26 < ReadError> but here its called 'Korad'
2016-03-23T11:22:29 < ReadError> great little PSU
2016-03-23T11:22:51 < zyp> a bit heavy though
2016-03-23T11:23:05 < zyp> the ebay ones are all SMPS, so they're like a third of the weight
2016-03-23T11:37:57 < Thorn> found a detailed review in russian https://geektimes.ru/post/258398/
2016-03-23T11:40:34 < Thorn> oh so it's a dac?
2016-03-23T11:42:53 < Thorn> it's actually mentioned in the article too
2016-03-23T11:48:56 < PeterM_obile> They're fine for linear,  ripple currents etc are small
2016-03-23T11:49:54 < PeterM_obile> Though probably not much cheaper than trash teir jap caps
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2016-03-23T12:15:36 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/24inch-100g-pink-ombre-braiding-hair-kinky-twist-hair-two-tone-kanekalon-jumbo-braid-synthetic-braiding/32595665478.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1,searchweb201602_1_10036_10035_10034_507_10032_10020_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_401_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201603_2&btsid=8c19aa60-31f3-46fe-8449-d1f26afbb631
2016-03-23T12:15:42 < ReadError> doin some shopping on ali
2016-03-23T12:19:25 < ReadError> thats a lot of cunts
2016-03-23T12:21:54 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/15W-Zoomable-LED-Flashlights-Torches-Rechargeable-Ultra-Bright-Fishing-LED-Lamp-Blue-Purple-LED-Light/32627023185.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1,searchweb201602_1_10036_10035_10034_507_10032_10020_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_401_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201603_2&btsid=46b7038b-2ba2-4385-a886-53d0fb8bd000
2016-03-23T12:21:58 < ReadError> wtf is the purpose of this
2016-03-23T12:25:00 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/20pcs-lot-free-shipping-diy-box-mod-component-plastic-material-2-18650-battery-sled-dual-18650/32557975437.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1,searchweb201602_1_10036_10035_10034_507_10032_10020_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_401_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201603_2&btsid=e4bfdcb0-87ad-4c4b-af3c-63380dd3d8d0
2016-03-23T12:25:02 < ReadError> i need these
2016-03-23T12:25:10 < ReadError> but wtf is sweden post
2016-03-23T12:25:16 < ReadError> 15-50 days lol
2016-03-23T12:33:49 < PeterM> ReadError, something something i have a few on hand
2016-03-23T12:34:14 < ReadError> yea didnt dongs get them for you?
2016-03-23T12:35:04 < PeterM> yessir
2016-03-23T12:35:36 < PeterM> nah
2016-03-23T12:35:51 < PeterM> only for shit that my china guy cant get
2016-03-23T12:37:47 < ReadError> PeterM yea I want to find some that ship epacket
2016-03-23T12:37:54 < ReadError> otherwise I may just taoboa
2016-03-23T12:38:47 < PeterM> how many you need?
2016-03-23T12:41:13 < ReadError> i was gonna grab 10-20
2016-03-23T12:41:24 < ReadError> I got these super bootleg batts
2016-03-23T12:41:39 < PeterM> yeah that link i sent you should get yopu 10-20 for a reasonable price
2016-03-23T12:41:46 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1pcs-High-Drain-Rechargeable-Battery-18650-35A-3-7v-LI-MN-2500mAh-Button-Top/2048894024.html
2016-03-23T12:41:53 < ReadError> 1.20 each lol
2016-03-23T12:41:54 < PeterM> they also sell legit batteries too
2016-03-23T12:42:00 < ReadError> I dont trust them for anything important
2016-03-23T12:42:01 < PeterM> those arent legit
2016-03-23T12:42:05 < ReadError> yea i know heh
2016-03-23T12:42:18 < ReadError> Im going to setup a profile on my powerlab to cycle them
2016-03-23T12:42:23 < ReadError> get a good idea of capacity
2016-03-23T12:42:41 < ReadError> figure as long as they dont explode, I can make a decent powerbrick using all 20
2016-03-23T12:42:47 < PeterM> 2200 but probably not rated for 35a
2016-03-23T12:46:47 < zyp> I hear cycle satiator is the shit for ebike charging
2016-03-23T12:47:04 < zyp> http://www.ebikes.ca/product-info/cycle-satiator.html
2016-03-23T12:48:03 < ReadError> crt yea its not cheap
2016-03-23T12:48:10 < ReadError> but will charge anything
2016-03-23T12:48:38 < zyp> I think cycle satiator is like $300
2016-03-23T12:50:11 < zyp> http://www.revolectrix.com/pl8_description_tab.htm <- is this the powerlab you're talking about?
2016-03-23T12:52:58 < zyp> hmm, that thing doesn't seem very well suited for ebike opakcs
2016-03-23T12:53:32 < zyp> since it only does 8s packs
2016-03-23T12:53:43 < zyp> ebike packs are typicall 10s or 13s
2016-03-23T12:54:27 < zyp> mine is 10s, i.e. 36V, which is on the low end of what's considered decent
2016-03-23T12:54:43 < zyp> I think there's some 24V ebikes, but from what I hear they're all shit
2016-03-23T12:55:11 < jpa-> seems it should work fine, depending on what one wants
2016-03-23T12:55:29 < PeterM> zyp too much current from <10s
2016-03-23T12:55:32 < jpa-> i'm running at up to some 10A at 36V, so 15A at 24V doesn't seem that bad
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2016-03-23T13:08:30 < ReadError> the powerlabs will dumb current tho
2016-03-23T13:08:54 < ReadError> 40A no prob
2016-03-23T13:09:10 < PeterM> i'd probably not charge my ebike packs at >1c though
2016-03-23T13:09:47 < rewolff2> If you have a motor and wire it for 24V at 25km/h then you can also place a thinner wire with 1.5 times more times around the stator, and get a 36V motor.
2016-03-23T13:10:21 < jpa-> though you can use 24V motor fine with 36V battery
2016-03-23T13:10:26 < rewolff2> Then both motors can run at say  240W from their batteries, 10A from the 24V battery, and 6.66A from the 36V battery.
2016-03-23T13:11:02 < rewolff2> Now if you have a 15Ah 24V battery, that's 0.66C, and you have a same-watt-hour 36V battery it would be 10A, again 0.66C.
2016-03-23T13:12:13 < zyp> if I were building another ebike today, I'd be tempted to pick up the BBS-HD and run a 52V battery pack
2016-03-23T13:12:40 < rewolff2> The same goes for the individual cells. You'd have about 4P9S for the 10Ah 36V one, and 6P6S for the 15Ah 24V battery. Each cell would need to do 1.66A.
2016-03-23T13:13:00 < PeterM> 12s is nice, if oyu need to balance the packs you jsut split it  ina half and bottom balance it with any normal charger\
2016-03-23T13:13:24 < zyp> PeterM, ebike packs usually have an internal BMS that does the balancing
2016-03-23T13:13:52 < zyp> so the charger just need to provide the full pack voltage, current limited
2016-03-23T13:14:26 < PeterM> or you could jsut bottom balance and then not need to balance provided you dont over charge/over discharge
2016-03-23T13:14:46 < jpa-> + assuming you have good quality, equivalent cells
2016-03-23T13:14:48 < PeterM> atleast nto regularly
2016-03-23T13:14:52 < jpa-> which is a big if
2016-03-23T13:19:16 < PeterM> no idea, but being an aussie company you can take it back if its shit
2016-03-23T13:19:35 < zyp> that looks pretty similar to the chinese firetrap
2016-03-23T13:19:45 < zyp> but mine's been working well for my use
2016-03-23T13:21:47 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/lNfIS.JPG
2016-03-23T13:56:28 < zyp> I put in pcbs, press start, and seven minutes later I take out reflowed pcbs
2016-03-23T13:56:33 < zyp> shit just works
2016-03-23T13:57:02 < zyp> according to dongs it might catch on fire
2016-03-23T13:57:33 < zyp> I think he were talking about running leadless cycle a bunch of times back to back
2016-03-23T13:57:46 < zyp> so far I've only used leaded paste
2016-03-23T13:58:15 < zyp> other people were talking about replacing the shitty masking tape used in it with kapton tape to mitigate the risk
2016-03-23T13:58:31 < zyp> either way it's fine for small scale home use
2016-03-23T14:08:08 < dongs> and dont forget opensores firmware that improves it
2016-03-23T14:08:37 < dongs> https://github.com/UnifiedEngineering/T-962-improvements
2016-03-23T14:09:09 < dongs> that + thermocouple fix + fan pwm + kapton and it should be  almost usable
2016-03-23T14:09:12 < dongs> for hobby junk
2016-03-23T14:09:29 < dongs> i just dont give enough fuck to fix mine since i have a proper onme
2016-03-23T14:09:48 < dongs> and yeah catch on fire = back to back lead-free cycles
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2016-03-23T14:11:22 < dongs> whats everyone's favorite dual buck > 1A each
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2016-03-23T14:11:50 < dongs> started using PAM2306 and customer says they might need > 1A
2016-03-23T14:11:59 < dongs> assholes
2016-03-23T14:12:25 < dongs> also digikey mobile app is trash
2016-03-23T14:12:34 < dongs> o yea, zyp, we can now do HPL pcbs
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2016-03-23T14:12:46 < dongs> time to do some 0.5mm pitch BGAs
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2016-03-23T14:26:29 < zyp> fuck them
2016-03-23T14:26:40 < zyp> dongs, HPL?
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2016-03-23T14:29:50 < ReadError> i wish i could do blind/buried vias on the cheap
2016-03-23T14:29:53 < ReadError> that would be fun
2016-03-23T14:31:07 < dongs> no it wouldnt
2016-03-23T14:31:09 < dongs> you'd just be a dumb stoner
2016-03-23T14:31:21 < jpa-> in what way would it be fun?
2016-03-23T14:31:25 < dongs>  / cloner
2016-03-23T14:33:04 < dongs> After the FBI told the court that a 'third party' will help them unlock an encrypted iPhone and that they no longer need Apple's cooperation, it has now been reported that Israel’s Cellebrite, a provider of mobile forensic software, will unlock an iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino shooters, as part of a deal with the U.S. Federal Bureau of
2016-03-23T14:33:09 < dongs>           Investigation.
2016-03-23T14:33:12 < dongs> lol jews
2016-03-23T14:33:55 < dongs> http://i.4cdn.org/v/1458727026571.png
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2016-03-23T14:42:47 < ReadError> jpa- idk, just something different
2016-03-23T14:42:58 < ReadError> higher density boards
2016-03-23T14:43:09 < dongs> < ReadError> higher density clones
2016-03-23T14:43:25 < ReadError> I like the challenge of making things as small as possible
2016-03-23T14:44:42 < dongs> attn zyp http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/norway-to-allow-gender-change-without-medical-intervention-1.2824294
2016-03-23T14:46:39 < zyp> cool
2016-03-23T14:47:09 < mitrax> what's next?
2016-03-23T14:47:18 < mitrax> species change?
2016-03-23T14:47:23  * mitrax wants to be a dolphin
2016-03-23T14:47:32 < dongs> race change, obivously
2016-03-23T14:48:05 < zyp> mitrax, there were some news article a couple months ago about a girl that identifies as a cat
2016-03-23T14:48:16 < mitrax> For minors aged six to 16, parents will be required to authorise the change. If one parent opposes, authorities may decide "in the child's best interest."
2016-03-23T14:48:20 < mitrax> greaaaaat
2016-03-23T14:48:22 < ReadError> ive always felt like I most identified as a strong black female
2016-03-23T14:48:23 < mitrax> zyp: ahahaha
2016-03-23T14:48:54 < zyp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWeBunPiIzo
2016-03-23T14:49:45 < mitrax> wtf
2016-03-23T14:49:52 < mitrax> that's a joke right?
2016-03-23T14:51:23 < zyp> haha, I haven't seen this myself before
2016-03-23T14:51:35 < zyp> just read the article about it
2016-03-23T14:51:45 < dongs> lol fucking fattie
2016-03-23T14:52:17 < dongs> is that norwegian?
2016-03-23T14:52:18 < mitrax> fucking degenerates
2016-03-23T14:52:21 < zyp> yes
2016-03-23T14:52:35 < dongs> sounds kinda like eskimo
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2016-03-23T15:48:21 < cwillu> 0.5mm, bitch
2016-03-23T16:00:42 < dongs>  dicaprio is in japan
2016-03-23T16:01:40 < englishman> is he going to whine and moan about your country too
2016-03-23T16:01:43 < dongs> yes
2016-03-23T16:01:49 < dongs> hes moaning about climate change
2016-03-23T16:01:51 < dongs> or some otehr shit
2016-03-23T16:01:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jOul3Gz.png
2016-03-23T16:02:03 < englishman> he srsly said its too fucking warm in canada
2016-03-23T16:02:32 < dongs> hes getting fucking slaughtered by fangirls
2016-03-23T16:02:37 < dongs> i can hear the sreamns from here
2016-03-23T16:04:48 < dongs> LEOOOOO-SAN~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ x 1000
2016-03-23T16:05:41 < Sync> nuke it.
2016-03-23T16:07:27 < kakimir> :D
2016-03-23T16:07:59 < kakimir> but isn't climate change chinese conspiracy to ruin western industry?
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2016-03-23T16:08:37 < mitrax> kakimir: it's supposed to be the other way around :)
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2016-03-23T16:26:52 < kakimir> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Q8f0Cne8rp8/maxresdefault.jpg very kewl bldc
2016-03-23T16:27:37 < kakimir> direct drive is the shiet
2016-03-23T16:28:58 < kakimir> 149usd
2016-03-23T16:29:27 < kakimir> maybe that bldc + gear for 20usb is not that bad option
2016-03-23T16:30:19 < dongs> what kinda shit are you assburerging now
2016-03-23T16:31:25 < kakimir> extra slow glider
2016-03-23T16:31:29 < kakimir> motorization
2016-03-23T16:31:57 < kakimir> you know.. at 10m/s it pulls loops without user interference
2016-03-23T16:32:49 < kakimir> once towed it too hard it looped at start and crashed in trees behind launch site
2016-03-23T16:33:17 < kakimir> tow line still connected
2016-03-23T16:33:46 < BrainDamage> engine power?
2016-03-23T16:34:48 < kakimir> oh how much I need engine power for it?
2016-03-23T16:34:57 < kakimir> like 100watts max
2016-03-23T16:35:27 < kakimir> I try to find some prop that is efficient at 6m/s
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2016-03-23T16:38:00 < kakimir> I towed it with snow mobile..  first launch was fail so I corrected it with full throttle launch while the pilot didn't even have his hands at TX
2016-03-23T16:40:11 < kakimir> at any point
2016-03-23T16:40:20 < kakimir> stoned
2016-03-23T16:45:21 < kakimir> the wing came off in branch of the tree and then the fuselage flew 50meters directly sideways as line tension springed it
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2016-03-23T17:48:55 < dongs> in my 56Wh vapercharger
2016-03-23T17:49:02 < dongs> should I put battery though a PTC
2016-03-23T17:49:05 < dongs> or just blow shit up when its s horted
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2016-03-23T18:06:51 < dongs> i think i'll just suck it up and use MAX16054
2016-03-23T18:09:35 < dongs> max makes dumb shit but its dumb shit nobody else makes
2016-03-23T18:12:21 < dongs> hey wat ST has something too
2016-03-23T18:13:07 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/sense_power/FM1946/SC1753/PF219701
2016-03-23T18:16:48 < dongs> oh wow, ti Too
2016-03-23T18:16:52 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/TPS3420
2016-03-23T18:16:59 < dongs> that fuckin package
2016-03-23T18:17:03 < dongs> 1.45x1mm
2016-03-23T18:23:54 < dongs> too stoned. bed time
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2016-03-23T18:48:57 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/vVq5Oii.png
2016-03-23T18:49:05 < Laurenceb_> Qt actually looks quite hawt
2016-03-23T18:49:10 < Sync> seksi
2016-03-23T18:50:21 < Laurenceb_> need to actually get it to link to stm board now
2016-03-23T18:50:40 < Laurenceb_> atm it connecting to python simulator on another machine via usb dongles
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2016-03-23T19:14:46 < XTL> qt is pretty tempting. There's even jobs around, it seems.
2016-03-23T19:27:44 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBexS2WHN3w
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2016-03-23T19:31:11 < Sync> so pro
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2016-03-23T20:15:41 < jpa-> qt is pretty nice
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2016-03-23T21:22:13 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2016-03-23T21:22:18 < Laurenceb_> Qt has broken my machine
2016-03-23T21:22:41 < Laurenceb_> Qt applications can see /dev/ttyUSB0 correctly, yet its not listed in /dev/
2016-03-23T21:22:51 < Laurenceb_> device isnt even in lsusb
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2016-03-23T21:26:40 < Laurenceb_> its like my device is dead, yet it works with Qt fine
2016-03-23T21:26:46 < Laurenceb_> and on windows xp machines
2016-03-23T21:27:05 < Laurenceb_> can't even see anything in dmesg wtf
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2016-03-23T21:27:42 < qyx> mhm, are there some pros/cons of using dual/CT primary/secondary windings?
2016-03-23T21:27:43 < qyx> like this
2016-03-23T21:27:45 < qyx> http://sound.westhost.com/articles/smps-f20.gif
2016-03-23T21:27:50 < qyx> instead of using a full bridge primary
2016-03-23T21:28:28 < qyx> I see lower mosfet resistance (1 switch instead of two), but higher winding resistance (more wire -> thinner)
2016-03-23T21:37:06 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dNxzzuMTB8 why people who don't actually do electronics get equipment for free
2016-03-23T21:38:23 < XTL> Laurenceb_: Could something have removed the node? Check /proc/<pid>/fd/ is there a device file open?
2016-03-23T21:38:48 < Laurenceb_> doh
2016-03-23T21:39:00 < Laurenceb_> was on wrong machine - using vitualbox
2016-03-23T21:39:04 < Laurenceb_> I fail
2016-03-23T21:39:07 < XTL> Classic. :)
2016-03-23T21:40:20 < PeterM> qyx, yeah, your fets need to be rated 2x the vin, and if the core isnt perfectly wound it can flux walk, also the transformer is bigger because the extra copper
2016-03-23T21:50:26 < Taxman> but you need only low side mosfets - so gate drive is much easier
2016-03-23T21:51:04 < PeterM> Taxman, these days gate drive is a non issue, especially with controllers liek the LM5045
2016-03-23T21:51:35 < Taxman> PeterM: Depens on Vin voltage...
2016-03-23T21:52:27 < Taxman> Depends
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2016-03-23T22:21:30 < qyx> PeterM: uhm, full bridge then
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2016-03-23T22:25:58 < PeterM> qyx application makes a lot of difference toi these kinda things too btw, so may i ask?
2016-03-23T22:27:33 < ohsix> ReadError: how do you find stuff on alibaba, i tried but nothing i looked for had less than 2000 results and you can't sort by anything useful
2016-03-23T22:27:50 < ohsix> ReadError: i wanna buy just the keybed assembly, 25 or 49 keys
2016-03-23T22:28:05 < ReadError> example?
2016-03-23T22:28:08 < ReadError> one thing is
2016-03-23T22:28:09 < ohsix> of a midi controller / digital piano, anything
2016-03-23T22:28:13 < ReadError> the chinese phrase stuff different
2016-03-23T22:28:27 < ReadError> which can make things tricky
2016-03-23T22:28:48 < ohsix> http://tk386.com/k2000_keys/slides/DSC_9332.jpg
2016-03-23T22:29:11 < ohsix> almost everyone uses this exact one in their synth, this is from a korg thing, i have the same but only 25 keys in an alesis qx25
2016-03-23T22:29:25 < ohsix> ideally i'd buy one from the company that makes them all, if i could find them
2016-03-23T22:30:09 < ohsix> http://www.guitar-parts.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/TAS0001021-D.jpg
2016-03-23T22:30:53 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/tQgjTFX.jpg?2 this is mine, 25key with weight inserts
2016-03-23T22:31:10 < ohsix> the chinese on the pcb is meaningless
2016-03-23T22:31:25 < ohsix> it just says '25 key scale piano' or something
2016-03-23T22:32:09 < XTL> Fatar?
2016-03-23T22:32:32 < ohsix> wow
2016-03-23T22:32:33 < ohsix> haha
2016-03-23T22:32:37 < ohsix> that's a good lead
2016-03-23T22:32:47 < ohsix> they don't look the same but apparently they do make them
2016-03-23T22:33:45 < ohsix> hm there's some category stuff on wikipedia i can dig through from the look of it, they had fatar in there as a musical instrument manufacturer
2016-03-23T22:36:12 < ohsix> it's weird to people talk about instruments very wrt. to keybed/keyboard quality, even when they don't know that the two things they're talking about are the same assembly :>
2016-03-23T22:36:43 < kakimir> what is happenings here
2016-03-23T22:38:03 < ohsix> the one that sucks about the one i have is that there is a key overhang, people pick it up by the keys sometime and they break
2016-03-23T22:39:07 < kakimir> what is the thing with chinese keaboard?
2016-03-23T22:39:57 < ohsix> XTL: fatar seems to use the same subframe and similar keys http://www.fatar.com/particolari/TP8O_2.jpg the part with the standoffs, the moulded in metal plate, and the pcb contacts are all the same
2016-03-23T22:40:15 < ohsix> http://www.fatar.com/particolari/TP8_S_sotto_2.jpg
2016-03-23T22:40:25 < ohsix> well, the standoffs are longer, about a cm
2016-03-23T22:40:57 < XTL> I don't know really. I thought that's what everyone seems to be using.
2016-03-23T22:41:25 < ohsix> it's as close as i've gotten so far
2016-03-23T22:41:37 < ohsix> they have nicer ones with weighted hammers and stuff hidden in them :>
2016-03-23T22:43:08 < ohsix> already finding other manufacturers with just the name fatar and people talking about them
2016-03-23T22:43:38 < ohsix> thanks, gotta get out in the sun
2016-03-23T22:43:53 < ohsix> ReadError: if you manage to think of any better way to look on ali let me know D:
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2016-03-23T23:10:15 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/HNHmMA7
2016-03-23T23:10:23 < Laurenceb_> I knew that would be shopped sooner or later
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2016-03-23T23:23:25 < Steffanx> Autism fetish.
2016-03-23T23:28:17 < kakimir> hmm now I'm back to lpc1547 board
2016-03-23T23:28:43 < kakimir> the breakout
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2016-03-23T23:59:55 < kakimir> have had the transistors and sot23 adapters for a while
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2016-03-24T00:00:14 < kakimir> I don't understand how lazy human can be
2016-03-24T00:00:30 < kakimir> or to say.. me
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2016-03-24T00:16:56 < kakimir> which one is phase and which amplitude in ltspice?
2016-03-24T00:18:48 < kakimir> solid must be the amplitude?
2016-03-24T00:24:03 < kakimir> holy shiet
2016-03-24T00:24:49 < kakimir> my random filter actually amplifies 11dB
2016-03-24T00:27:54 < kakimir> ues
2016-03-24T00:28:00 < kakimir> ues!
2016-03-24T00:28:40 < kakimir> back to old projects crt
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2016-03-24T00:34:50 < kakimir> I show you later
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2016-03-24T00:46:46 < mitrax> ahaha
2016-03-24T00:51:13 < mitrax> reminds me of a dumb mistake a guy i work with made the other day, he designed a board with some switching regs to power some LED lamps and put a small linear regulator for some other part of the circuit that he *assumed* was only eating 30mA or so
2016-03-24T00:51:32 < mitrax> during testing he frequently touched the switching reg to make sure they weren't getting hot
2016-03-24T00:52:36 < mitrax> then one evening the day before shipping, i go "eh let's check the board with the thermal cam" (which, if you own one, is the first thing you should do)
2016-03-24T00:53:46 < mitrax> "eh what's that?" (*big yellow thing glowing in a corner of the board*)
2016-03-24T00:53:56 < mitrax> it was 100°C
2016-03-24T00:54:45 < mitrax> ahaha
2016-03-24T00:57:33 < mitrax> interrogation? with the supplier/manufactuer?
2016-03-24T00:58:36 < mitrax> what striked me is, very often they have something that could be a good product, but there's a fucking stupid design mistake that ruins everything
2016-03-24T01:01:09 < mitrax> ahah
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2016-03-24T02:16:28 < kakimir> I don't understand why doesn't buck regulator UVLO
2016-03-24T02:16:57 < kakimir> it goes down down down and then starts to flutter output like crazy doesn't look good
2016-03-24T02:21:06 < kakimir> your mummy
2016-03-24T02:24:02 < kakimir> 54232
2016-03-24T02:24:19 < kakimir> okay I rise UVLO from 5.1 to 9
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2016-03-24T02:29:38 < ColdKeyboard> In datasheet for STM32F072RB the TIM2_CH2 is pin PA1 and PB3... which one is it??
2016-03-24T02:30:20 < ColdKeyboard> I've initialized the PA0, PA1, PA2, PA3, configured Alternate Function to AF2 but PA1 doesn't work :\
2016-03-24T02:33:57 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-03-24T02:34:09 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: either one. you select it by AF
2016-03-24T02:34:22 < ColdKeyboard> GPIO_PinAFConfig(GPIOA, GPIO_PinSource1, 	GPIO_AF_2);
2016-03-24T02:34:24 < dongs> did you check datasheet AF table to make sure youre not fucking it up
2016-03-24T02:34:27 < ColdKeyboard> gpioStructure.GPIO_Pin = ( GPIO_Pin_0 | GPIO_Pin_1 | GPIO_Pin_2 | GPIO_Pin_3 );
2016-03-24T02:34:31 < dongs> (and for 072 series)
2016-03-24T02:35:09 < dongs> check if TIM2 on 07x needs BDTR enabled in order to output stuff, but i kinda doubt it i think thats only advanced  (1/8)
2016-03-24T02:35:10 < ColdKeyboard> It says it's PA1 or PB3
2016-03-24T02:35:23 < dongs> yes but did you check the AF table to make sure thats the TIM2 AF
2016-03-24T02:36:04 < ColdKeyboard> Table 14. Alternate functions selected through GPIOA_AFR registers for port A
2016-03-24T02:36:05 < dongs> page 43. k, looks right.
2016-03-24T02:36:06 < dongs> yes.
2016-03-24T02:36:08 < ColdKeyboard> PA1 EVENTOUT USART2_RTS TIM2_CH2 TSC_G1_IO2 USART4_RX TIM15_CH1N - -
2016-03-24T02:36:19 < dongs> - - moer likre -_-
2016-03-24T02:36:35 < dongs> did you power up syscfg
2016-03-24T02:36:37 < dongs> in rcc
2016-03-24T02:36:44 < dongs> i think that shit is needed for pin / af shit.
2016-03-24T02:37:22 < ColdKeyboard> MCU is working fine if that's what you are asking. Also TIM1 is running in same mode and his channels 1-3 work fine
2016-03-24T02:38:30 < ColdKeyboard> Sorry, PA2 is not working and I'm talking about CH3 not 2. CH2 is working fine
2016-03-24T02:38:52 < dongs> PA2 is CH3. so you have used AF for CH2 and it works?
2016-03-24T02:38:55 < dongs> ok then i dunno.
2016-03-24T02:38:57 < dongs> maybe you killed the pin.
2016-03-24T02:40:15 < ColdKeyboard> I hope not. I was just driving a LED trough 550ohm resistor
2016-03-24T02:40:22 < ColdKeyboard> And btw channel 3 never worked :\
2016-03-24T02:40:31 < ColdKeyboard> So it didn't even light the LED once
2016-03-24T02:47:25 < ColdKeyboard> http://pastie.org/10771752
2016-03-24T02:47:34 < ColdKeyboard> Here is my init. Anything wrong with it?
2016-03-24T02:47:44 < ColdKeyboard> flyback, that's not nice. :)
2016-03-24T02:52:57 < ColdKeyboard> Thanks
2016-03-24T02:53:08 < ColdKeyboard> I have no clue why channel 2 and 3 are not working :\
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2016-03-24T02:55:04 < Laurenceb_> I should be able to c&p 0x00 from hex editor to hyperterminal in windoze right?
2016-03-24T02:55:14 < Laurenceb_> something is broken :-/
2016-03-24T02:56:42 < ColdKeyboard> Why not use terminal? It has option to send hex and binary values
2016-03-24T02:57:01 < Laurenceb_> ah good plan
2016-03-24T02:57:28 < Laurenceb_> either SP1ML modules dont sent trailing 0x00 bytes, or I'm screwing up with hyperterminal
2016-03-24T03:01:14 < ColdKeyboard> https://sites.google.com/site/terminalbpp/
2016-03-24T03:02:00 < ColdKeyboard> I'm using this terminal and it works nicely
2016-03-24T03:04:37 < ColdKeyboard> btw I've messed something up with my setup. Channel 3 and Channel 4 don't work :\
2016-03-24T03:04:55 < ColdKeyboard> Channels 1 and 2 work fine :\
2016-03-24T03:07:39 < dongs> Laurenceb_: use hercules setup
2016-03-24T03:07:52 < dongs> http://www.hw-group.com/products/hercules/index_en.html
2016-03-24T03:07:56 < dongs> you can set it to show non-printable hex trash
2016-03-24T03:08:07 < dongs> and also send hex
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2016-03-24T03:08:26 < dongs> fuck hyperterminal waht the fuck OS are you even using that still has that
2016-03-24T03:08:27 < ColdKeyboard> I used it for TCP server. It works really nice
2016-03-24T03:08:33 < dongs> I thought they got rid of hyperterminal in like windows xp
2016-03-24T03:15:02 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKLTBERzNUSEh3S0k/view?usp=sharing audible noise found with scope
2016-03-24T03:15:06 < ColdKeyboard> Can someone take a peek and tell my why TIM_CH3 isn't working -> http://pastie.org/10771752 ? :|
2016-03-24T03:15:37 < ColdKeyboard> Datasheet says TIM2_CH3 is PA2 pin
2016-03-24T03:15:44 < kakimir> UVLO works now as I added some resistor to divider
2016-03-24T03:15:54 < kakimir> it was a bit off
2016-03-24T03:16:50 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcldBYWZvS09RZ3M/view?usp=sharing now it has drivers for optotriacs
2016-03-24T03:16:58 < kakimir> or whatever
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2016-03-24T03:20:12 < kakimir> it's the classic
2016-03-24T03:21:10 < dongs> cool SMA
2016-03-24T03:21:50 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKY2wxWGk3VmhER1E/view?usp=sharing it's the SMA board with some mcu on it
2016-03-24T03:22:14 < dongs> lol..
2016-03-24T03:22:59 < kakimir> tommorrow I finally connect rs232 board to it and start programming it
2016-03-24T03:23:16 < dongs> better install mbed on it
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2016-03-24T03:23:21 < dongs> and program in teh CLOUD
2016-03-24T03:23:36 < kakimir> I don't really know what mbed is
2016-03-24T03:23:40 < kakimir> I have never seen it
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2016-03-24T03:28:03 < dongs> kakimir: my pro/ee pal says you wasted time by not just buying a fucking mbed breakout borad with that chip on it.
2016-03-24T03:28:06 < dongs> to develop wiht.
2016-03-24T03:28:12 < dongs> and instead assburgered a shitty breakout.
2016-03-24T03:28:15 < dongs> wiht SMAs
2016-03-24T03:28:16 < Laurenceb_> too lazy to fix this shit
2016-03-24T03:28:21 < Laurenceb_> yes win xp
2016-03-24T03:28:33 < kakimir> :D
2016-03-24T03:28:44 < kakimir> it's for the lulz
2016-03-24T03:28:57 < kakimir> I can feel the hurt
2016-03-24T03:29:25 < Laurenceb_> https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/03/23/213232/pornhub-unveils-free-vr-porn-channel
2016-03-24T03:29:34 < Laurenceb_> important news for slashdot users
2016-03-24T03:29:40 < kakimir> dongs: besides I have the board
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2016-03-24T03:30:16 < kakimir> It didn't got my autism going
2016-03-24T03:30:49 < kakimir> http://www.nxp.com/products/software-and-tools/hardware-development-tools/lpcxpresso-boards/lpcxpresso-board-for-lpc1549:OM13056 it's really boring
2016-03-24T03:31:21 < dongs> by boring you mean usable?
2016-03-24T03:31:44 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-24T03:31:47 < dongs> its $25
2016-03-24T03:31:55 < dongs> you wasted 10x that in your time
2016-03-24T03:32:01 < dongs> (admittedly, that might be worthless anyway)
2016-03-24T03:32:10 < kakimir> like I said.. I have the board
2016-03-24T03:32:32 < kakimir> it's arduino ready or something
2016-03-24T03:32:53 < kakimir> or has some connetor to stack that shiet
2016-03-24T03:33:10 < kakimir> I don't know how voltage levels and all that go
2016-03-24T03:36:05 < kakimir> lemme see that board... does it have buck regulator - no, does it have 3pcs 3v3 outputs - no, does it have nice voltage reference for analogs - no
2016-03-24T03:36:38 < kakimir> SMA connectors - no, but it's virtually arduino
2016-03-24T03:38:28 < kakimir> it has ethernets I don't need and too much memmory
2016-03-24T03:38:43 < kakimir> and a programmer I don't want
2016-03-24T03:39:37 < dongs> how do you debug your assburger board
2016-03-24T03:39:40 < dongs> with SWD
2016-03-24T03:39:44 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-24T03:39:49 < dongs> ye,s how
2016-03-24T03:40:31 < kakimir> ? plug the probe and start the openocd server
2016-03-24T03:40:38 < dongs> yes, what hardware?
2016-03-24T03:41:20 < kakimir> what are you trying to say?
2016-03-24T03:41:47 < kakimir> anything that does the jubs
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2016-03-24T03:51:20 < upgrdman> damn it. trolled myself for 2 fucking days. couldn't get can bus working. schematic listed some uart pins as if they were can pins.
2016-03-24T03:51:46 < upgrdman> on top of that, i forgot that the can periph takes 16 clocks per bit, so my prescaler was off by 16x.
2016-03-24T03:53:59 < ohsix> this week in cocks: http://i.imgur.com/7UTlvplg.jpg
2016-03-24T03:54:01 < ohsix> dongs: ^
2016-03-24T03:55:09 < ohsix> i should have bought them, a clever designer managed to get that past everyone and into the store
2016-03-24T04:06:29 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZhE0IFhpVQ
2016-03-24T04:08:15 < Laurenceb_> I sexually identify as graph paper. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of sorting over the grid drawing beautiful graphs on math homework
2016-03-24T04:08:53 < ohsix> dongs: pls stop i have to remove these from watch history each time
2016-03-24T04:10:12 < dongs> vapin'faggin'
2016-03-24T04:11:19 < kakimir> i get german ads in youtube now as chrome fucked itself and removed all my filters
2016-03-24T04:11:43 < ohsix> mhmrhhmhm
2016-03-24T04:11:49 < ohsix> jb weld not cured
2016-03-24T04:11:57 < ohsix> too cold in here
2016-03-24T04:12:34 < kakimir> google started new profiling for me like it's learning how to walk again.. it only adverts some motor design and control softwares
2016-03-24T04:13:07 < ohsix> i got rid of all the incandescent lights i'd use to heat this :<<<
2016-03-24T04:14:48 < kakimir> dongs: that nigga *inhale* has some *inhale* hard time to breathe
2016-03-24T04:17:07 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gV7exZmql4 windtunnel testing very kewl
2016-03-24T04:18:02 < kakimir> I have never seen all these technicques
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2016-03-24T04:19:14 < kakimir> dude goes inside the tunnel
2016-03-24T04:19:22 < kakimir> and listens layers with some tube
2016-03-24T04:20:12 < kakimir> china clay method too
2016-03-24T04:20:14 < kakimir> so kewl
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2016-03-24T04:25:38 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/Wg4z6f7
2016-03-24T04:25:45 < upgrdman> anyone know if 11bit or 29bit CAN IDs are more common?
2016-03-24T04:25:49 < Laurenceb_> who needs 2nd amendment
2016-03-24T04:27:21 < ohsix> upgrdman: no but it's usually the smaller if there's an option
2016-03-24T04:27:28 < ohsix> like with i2c addressing
2016-03-24T04:30:27 < dongs> upgrdman: 11 is 2.0A and 11/29 is 2.0B
2016-03-24T04:30:32 < dongs> so it depedns wahtever your shit uses.
2016-03-24T04:30:45 < upgrdman> 2.0B
2016-03-24T04:30:53 < upgrdman> which is why i ask
2016-03-24T04:31:08 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: is it required to be a hunter?
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2016-03-24T04:31:41 < kakimir> or pro shooter
2016-03-24T04:32:28 < Laurenceb_> something like that
2016-03-24T04:32:29 < kakimir> in murica you can have automatic weapons
2016-03-24T04:32:58 < kakimir> for shoot outs and stuff
2016-03-24T04:33:14 < kakimir> drive-bys
2016-03-24T04:48:13 < upgrdman> am american, can confirm
2016-03-24T04:52:18 < ohsix> guh why are anchovies a pizza topping
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2016-03-24T05:04:14 < englishman> Laurenceb_: can you ship me some awesome deactivated machinegun
2016-03-24T05:04:18 < englishman> i heard theres like shitloads in uk
2016-03-24T05:04:23 < englishman> bren guns, fals, 20mm autos
2016-03-24T05:04:45 < englishman> maybe something tripod mounted for the front lawn
2016-03-24T05:05:40 < englishman> aint no coloured folk round here
2016-03-24T05:05:48 < englishman> except the ones that drive for dhl, and i like them
2016-03-24T05:08:27 < englishman> he should upgrade to lcd
2016-03-24T05:09:13 < dongs> oled
2016-03-24T05:09:40 < Laurenceb_> lougie baird visionomatic
2016-03-24T05:10:28 < Laurenceb_> lol I just watched bbc emdrive documentary
2016-03-24T05:10:33 < Laurenceb_> what a load of shit
2016-03-24T05:10:35 < englishman> link!
2016-03-24T05:10:53 < Laurenceb_> it ip blocked
2016-03-24T05:11:00 < englishman> your problem not mine
2016-03-24T05:11:05 < dongs> you cant, its iplayer only
2016-03-24T05:11:20 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mgxf
2016-03-24T05:12:05 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=39772.0,3Battach=1106682,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.TvsQke4owt.jpg
2016-03-24T05:12:15 < Laurenceb_>  "engineer"
2016-03-24T05:12:49 < dongs> why so much care for emtroll
2016-03-24T05:12:56 < dongs> does it personally affect you
2016-03-24T05:12:59 < Laurenceb_> cuz lulz
2016-03-24T05:13:03 < dongs> eys but
2016-03-24T05:13:38 < englishman> its like zano
2016-03-24T05:13:43 < englishman> does it personally affect you?
2016-03-24T05:17:08 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39772.0;attach=1106690;image
2016-03-24T05:17:12 < ohsix> dongs: i took that picture basically cuz you'd find it funny, did you see it??????????/
2016-03-24T05:17:14 < Laurenceb_> brain control system
2016-03-24T05:19:48 < englishman> nice to know your tv tax goes towards the production of this qualtiy entertainment Laurenceb_
2016-03-24T05:21:28 < dongs> Did you know? Official CNN channel on youtube is not "verified". But random vapists and reactiondudes are.
2016-03-24T05:21:48 < ohsix> how did you figure out that word, 'reaction'
2016-03-24T05:22:00 < ohsix> vapist is a nice turn of phrase
2016-03-24T05:22:22 < ohsix> quick i don't have any incandescent light bulbs, what's another likely source of heat that won't melt plastic that i can put on this thing
2016-03-24T05:22:24 < Laurenceb_> video blogging is the most retarded thing ever
2016-03-24T05:22:24 < dongs> there was some recent drama about some shithead trademarking reaction
2016-03-24T05:22:40 < Laurenceb_> like why the hell would I want to watch blogging and a video
2016-03-24T05:22:42 < Laurenceb_> whyyy
2016-03-24T05:22:47 < ohsix> dongs: oh the fine brothers thing, i thought you were talking about reactionaries
2016-03-24T05:23:01 < Laurenceb_> fake reactionaries :P
2016-03-24T05:23:07 < Laurenceb_> with patreon
2016-03-24T05:23:08 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: my life is dull and a guy recording himself once a day is doing more than i am, usually
2016-03-24T05:23:11 < dongs> nobody wanted to read blogging, so they started pushing it into your face
2016-03-24T05:23:17 < Laurenceb_> also gopro camera advice guy
2016-03-24T05:23:30 < Laurenceb_> who video blogs the gopro manual one sentence per half an hour
2016-03-24T05:23:47 < Laurenceb_> mr pregnant is good
2016-03-24T05:25:09 < dongs> autism6: nobody to blame for that one except yourself
2016-03-24T05:26:55 < ohsix> that is part of blaming myself
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2016-03-24T05:27:07 < ohsix> publicly embarassing myself at how little i do is how i do stuff
2016-03-24T05:27:21 < ohsix> last few days i actually did quite a bit ;D
2016-03-24T05:28:20 < dongs> crt made a funnie]
2016-03-24T05:30:17 < ohsix> lookingi supe rjesus like today
2016-03-24T05:30:23 < ohsix> dongs: did you see shuttlecocks, cmon
2016-03-24T05:36:14 < englishman> Laurenceb_: this mockumentary is pretty fucking lawl
2016-03-24T05:36:42 < englishman> some history channel ancient aliens level production
2016-03-24T05:37:51 < ReadError> about EMDRIVE?
2016-03-24T05:38:49 < ohsix> wat mocumentary
2016-03-24T05:39:29 < englishman> and other related science trollings
2016-03-24T05:40:16 < ohsix> force awakens is out already?
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2016-03-24T05:41:10 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/ZmYgoCI.jpg
2016-03-24T05:41:24 < dongs> yeah april 4th or osmething on amazon
2016-03-24T05:41:41 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B018FK66TU
2016-03-24T05:43:41 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-24T05:44:18 < ohsix> i guess it is one of those movies that will sell tons of discs so they worry less about stock getting to places it could leak early
2016-03-24T05:47:19 < ohsix> dongs: nice, is that like the sad robot person that draws a picture to go with phrase
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2016-03-24T05:55:01 < dongs> thats what, like $1000 real money?
2016-03-24T05:55:39 < dongs> not much, working and being sick.
2016-03-24T05:55:50 < dongs> aods
2016-03-24T05:55:51 < dongs> aids
2016-03-24T05:57:01 < ohsix> you gotta go with GRIDS and ignore everything now known about the disease
2016-03-24T05:57:08 < ohsix> advanced techniques
2016-03-24T05:57:30 < dongs> silabs evalboard showed up
2016-03-24T05:57:30 < dongs> nice
2016-03-24T05:57:46 < ohsix> fedex?
2016-03-24T05:57:58 < ohsix> i think you've said already, but wat part
2016-03-24T05:58:32 < dongs> when i said they shipped it.
2016-03-24T05:59:29 < ohsix> but
2016-03-24T05:59:31 < ohsix> what part
2016-03-24T06:01:04 < ohsix> schneider electric keeps trying to  give me one of their ethernet servo controller things
2016-03-24T06:01:47 < ohsix> http://motion.schneider-electric.com/products/mdriveplus_overview.html
2016-03-24T06:02:06 < ohsix> dunno what i would do with one
2016-03-24T06:03:59 < dongs> heh novastar
2016-03-24T06:04:32 < dongs> well according to a guy who doesnt work there it sucks
2016-03-24T06:04:39 < dongs> but that might be cuz he worked for a competitor
2016-03-24T06:04:57 < dongs> manncorp
2016-03-24T06:06:47 < dongs> https://www.manncorp.com/reflow-soldering/batch-convection-reflow-ovens
2016-03-24T06:06:54 < dongs> at least some of these look like rebranded chinaovens
2016-03-24T06:06:59 < dongs> with assdroid GUI or somethign
2016-03-24T06:09:48 < dongs> but if novastar has a local dealer yeah
2016-03-24T06:09:51 < dongs> just go with their shit
2016-03-24T06:09:56 < dongs> i think its all same rebranded china trash anyway.
2016-03-24T06:10:44 < dongs> lll no thats just a bigger version of T962
2016-03-24T06:11:04 < dongs> has all teh same problems
2016-03-24T06:11:10 < dongs> like its not proper convection
2016-03-24T06:11:15 < dongs> so only center of the shit gets hot
2016-03-24T06:12:06 < dongs> http://www.smtmax.com/detail.php?id=227
2016-03-24T06:12:07 < dongs> nice
2016-03-24T06:13:44 < dongs> R2COM: count parts on reel
2016-03-24T06:13:48 < englishman> i wonder how many of those digikey has
2016-03-24T06:13:56 < ohsix> http://www.nytimes.com/video/t-magazine/100000003966979/how-to-interview-rihanna.html
2016-03-24T06:14:18 < dongs> R2STONER: to count parts
2016-03-24T06:15:41 < dongs> when each part is $5 adn there's 5000 of htem on a reel, people do
2016-03-24T06:24:18 < dongs> m,ouser showed up too
2016-03-24T06:24:31 < dongs> i hate their packing
2016-03-24T06:24:35 < dongs> very environmentally unfriendly
2016-03-24T06:25:08 < ohsix> what is it
2016-03-24T06:25:31 < ohsix> the ti paper stuff?
2016-03-24T06:25:50 < dongs> no if it waw spaper it would be ok
2016-03-24T06:25:55 < dongs> its all plastic bags and tied with some tape shit
2016-03-24T06:26:26 < dongs> time to get siiiiiiiiiick
2016-03-24T06:26:27 < dongs> bbl
2016-03-24T06:29:40 < ohsix> http://xdk.bosch-connectivity.com/ heh
2016-03-24T06:30:03 < ohsix> i ate some anchovies and could barely restrain convulsive reflex
2016-03-24T06:30:19 < ohsix> did not expect that
2016-03-24T06:30:29 < ohsix> it's the bones :<
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2016-03-24T06:38:05 < ohsix> wtf http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/23/471599058/phife-dawg-a-founding-member-of-a-tribe-called-quest-dies-at-45 :<
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2016-03-24T07:31:41 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1niQJZvoYlw
2016-03-24T07:31:44 < ReadError> good ass day
2016-03-24T07:31:52 < ReadError> openpnp has bottom vision ;))))
2016-03-24T07:34:16 < ds2> 0201 with 0.3mm BGAs?
2016-03-24T07:36:29 < ReadError> well that has more to do with mechanics
2016-03-24T07:36:50 < ReadError> I am using servos on mine
2016-03-24T07:36:58 < ReadError> so very accurate
2016-03-24T07:37:33 < ds2> what does that mean? +/-0.00001" repeatability?
2016-03-24T07:37:45 < ds2> or merely 0.040"?
2016-03-24T07:37:49 < ReadError> ehhh i duno what will get that low
2016-03-24T07:38:12 < ds2> 10millionth isn't that low... granite gantries...air bearings
2016-03-24T07:38:24 < ds2> at that range, temperature is the main issue
2016-03-24T07:39:23 < ReadError> eh ya but something that low isnt necessary since alignment during reflow
2016-03-24T07:40:34 < ds2> then what is very in this context?
2016-03-24T07:41:41 < ReadError> eh with steppers I was hitting 0.01mm repeatability
2016-03-24T07:47:27 < ohsix> aside from what it literally sounds like, wat is bottom vision
2016-03-24T07:49:02 < ReadError> it can determine part alignment or position on the nozzle
2016-03-24T07:49:09 < ReadError> or detect mis-picks
2016-03-24T07:50:03 < ohsix> oh
2016-03-24T07:50:17 < ohsix> i thought it took cpitures of the other side D:
2016-03-24T07:51:02 < ReadError> it does
2016-03-24T07:51:09 < ReadError> it looks at the bottom
2016-03-24T07:51:20 < ohsix> of the tool tho
2016-03-24T07:51:43 < ReadError> like the nozzle at an angle?
2016-03-24T07:58:24 < ds2> 0.0004 Hmmmm
2016-03-24T07:58:28 < ds2> lead screw?
2016-03-24T07:58:58 < ds2> 0.0004 isn't bad (compared to the 3D printers ;))
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2016-03-24T08:14:29 < ReadError> where did you get 0.0004
2016-03-24T08:19:04 < ds2> you said it
2016-03-24T08:19:12 < ds2> I am using standard machinist units
2016-03-24T08:21:53 < ReadError> hmm i said 0.01mm
2016-03-24T08:22:07 < ReadError> is 0.0004 inches?
2016-03-24T08:23:40 < ds2> yes
2016-03-24T08:23:49 < ds2> most machinhes
2016-03-24T08:23:55 < ds2> machinist use inches
2016-03-24T08:29:04 < ohsix> milz
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2016-03-24T08:44:02 < ohsix> nah
2016-03-24T08:44:08 < ohsix> wax
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2016-03-24T08:47:58 < ohsix> suds?
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2016-03-24T09:33:32 < dongs> this fucking silabs GUI is written in tcl/tk attn R2COM
2016-03-24T09:35:07 < ohsix> the language for tools
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2016-03-24T09:44:22 < ReadError> ds2 funny, all my cnc stuff is in inches
2016-03-24T09:44:27 < ReadError> and people say its retarded
2016-03-24T09:46:00 < ohsix> it's all in inches from inertia
2016-03-24T09:46:22 < ohsix> it costs too much to change :<
2016-03-24T09:46:26 < ohsix> pcb stuff is the same
2016-03-24T09:47:41 < ohsix> ur wut
2016-03-24T09:47:50 < ohsix> also if you're making a part it goes on some shit that is probably imperial
2016-03-24T09:50:21 < ReadError> yea pcb, mil
2016-03-24T09:50:30 < ReadError> using mm is a mindfuck
2016-03-24T09:53:41 < ohsix> mil is tiny enough that it's a wash
2016-03-24T09:53:47 < ohsix> kind of how at -40 f and c is the same
2016-03-24T09:58:59 < ohsix> what is your point of reference
2016-03-24T10:00:29 < ohsix> don't aliens have better things to do
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2016-03-24T10:08:10 < zyp> I bet dongs is happy now
2016-03-24T10:08:13 < zyp> «Linux fans can now develop software for STM32 MCUs free of charge without leaving their favorite host environment.»
2016-03-24T10:08:50 < ohsix> no
2016-03-24T10:08:51 < ohsix> but yea
2016-03-24T10:09:14 < ohsix> cube apparently isn't an exe anymore, it's always been java afaik, and i was able to run it after unwrapping with just java
2016-03-24T10:09:25 < ohsix> and the ide thing, fack; that day i read tha ti meant to check it out again but didn't
2016-03-24T10:09:48 < ohsix> i have no problem with java
2016-03-24T10:09:56 < zyp> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM147/CL1794/SC961/SS1533/PF261797 <- I'm referring to this shit they're mailspamming about
2016-03-24T10:10:16 < ohsix> yea there's an openstm32 or something website too
2016-03-24T10:10:34 < ohsix> you could get the beta or whatever more than a year ago, i did and tried it out, it worked
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2016-03-24T10:23:48 < upgrdman> wtf nxp. no can dma on lpc1768 trash
2016-03-24T10:24:46 < upgrdman> correct. no dma for the can periph
2016-03-24T10:24:51 < upgrdman> 100% homo
2016-03-24T10:25:12  * upgrdman nods
2016-03-24T10:25:15 < ohsix> what peripherals does it have dma for
2016-03-24T10:25:40 < upgrdman> ssp (some gay version of spi), adc, dac, i2s, and uart
2016-03-24T10:25:47 < ohsix> weird
2016-03-24T10:25:58 < upgrdman> ya
2016-03-24T10:26:00 < ohsix> does i2c do 20mhz or whatever the limit is
2016-03-24T10:26:06 < ohsix> or spi, i forget
2016-03-24T10:26:10 < upgrdman> this shit feels like a 8bit micro that they ported to ARM
2016-03-24T10:26:23 < upgrdman> ssp can do 40MHz iirc
2016-03-24T10:26:45 < ohsix> dang it's fast and has a lot of memory
2016-03-24T10:27:02 < XTL> Has anyone used both tiva and stm32 enough to have a comment?
2016-03-24T10:27:44 < ohsix> upgrdman: it can do memory to memory dma
2016-03-24T10:27:59 < ohsix> there might be an interrupt source that makes that work with $any mmapped io
2016-03-24T10:28:14 < upgrdman> speaking of memory, the lpc1768 splits into into two banks, and lpcshitxpresso cant auto place stuff in the second back, so you have to use __SHITS to flag where you want stuff
2016-03-24T10:28:47 < upgrdman> ohsix, m2m dma wont help. how the fuck will a trigger a can transfer
2016-03-24T10:28:53 < ohsix> you usually wouldn't want it to do that, might have to do long jumps for no reasons
2016-03-24T10:29:11 < ohsix> upgrdman: dunno, i thought i remembered st' being able to do peripheral dma like that
2016-03-24T10:29:15 < upgrdman> and can be can, max payload is 8 bytes
2016-03-24T10:29:42 < upgrdman> so i can get to manually flood the bus for a few hundred bytes when i need to
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2016-03-24T10:33:58 < ohsix> i don't know a lot about can, does it make sense to have dma support?
2016-03-24T10:36:04 < ohsix> wow their datasheets are a bit annoying, no index at the frotn, gotta go to the rear
2016-03-24T10:36:05 < ReadError> ohsix http://www.ebay.com/itm/BUNSEN-BURNER-WITH-SPOON-ATTATCHMENT-PORTABLE-/172143544568?hash=item28148e08f8:g:bJQAAOSwrklVPr2W
2016-03-24T10:36:21 < ohsix> haha lauging befor ei even click
2016-03-24T10:36:23 < ohsix> awesome
2016-03-24T10:36:29 < ohsix> from tennessee hoo boy
2016-03-24T10:36:56 < upgrdman> ohsix, well can is like a more complex spi or i2c or uart.
2016-03-24T10:37:16 < ohsix> ya
2016-03-24T10:37:20 < upgrdman> and i would think dma makes perfect sense, ESPECIALLY since can messages are limited to 8 bytes
2016-03-24T10:37:22 < ohsix> it has bus arbitration and shit doesn't it
2016-03-24T10:37:22 < upgrdman> so
2016-03-24T10:37:37 < upgrdman> if you need to send a fuckton of bytes, you get to split it into many messages
2016-03-24T10:37:47 < upgrdman> and no dma -> you're fucked
2016-03-24T10:38:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, yes, arbitration
2016-03-24T10:38:28 < upgrdman> also nice that you can do long as cables. like >40 meters depending on speed
2016-03-24T10:40:18 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/gro4O4T.jpg
2016-03-24T10:40:21 < ReadError> new vac
2016-03-24T10:40:29 < ReadError> pulls damn near perfect
2016-03-24T10:44:25 < ohsix> upgrdman: istr the dma controller on the stm32 being smart enough to wait to write to peripherals behind the scenes
2016-03-24T10:44:32 < zyp> upgrdman, I disagree on the comparison wrt spi/i2c/uart
2016-03-24T10:44:49 < zyp> spi/i2c/uart are all byte protocols, can is a framed protocol
2016-03-24T10:44:57 < zyp> more like a less complex usb or ethernet
2016-03-24T10:45:11 < upgrdman> ok that's a better way to say it
2016-03-24T10:45:26 < upgrdman> i just meant "protocol for communication shitz"
2016-03-24T10:45:26 < ohsix> there's alot of error modes and stuff you have to explicitly deal with too
2016-03-24T10:45:42 < upgrdman> ohsix, dunno. im bitching about the lpc1768
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2016-03-24T10:45:50 < upgrdman> since i have to use it at work for a project
2016-03-24T10:46:07 < ohsix> right
2016-03-24T10:46:08 < zyp> yeah, and if you want to send something larger than 8 bytes on can, you have to use a higher level protocol for fragmentation
2016-03-24T10:46:21 < zyp> which complicates how you would use DMA
2016-03-24T10:46:28 < upgrdman> ya
2016-03-24T10:46:41 < ohsix> not suggesting use stm32, but i'm looking for indications the lpc is the same / similar
2016-03-24T10:46:55 < upgrdman> but would still be easier to do that and feed DMA a big as uint8_t[] to shit toward the CAN periph
2016-03-24T10:47:27 < upgrdman> instead of fucking with it every interrupt
2016-03-24T10:47:27 < ReadError> i heard about some differential i2c the other day
2016-03-24T10:47:32 < ohsix> h3h
2016-03-24T10:47:51 < zyp> upgrdman, idk, it doesn't sound very useful to me
2016-03-24T10:47:52 < ohsix> with dma and gpio, and an r2r ladder os omething, you could do a fast adc arduino style with dma
2016-03-24T10:48:48 < upgrdman> zyp, imagine you need to send like 200 bytes with CAN. it would be so nice to split them up, using whatever fag protocol, and then feed DMA an array of bytes and have it send them out 8 at a time
2016-03-24T10:49:15 < ohsix> pretty hard to put arbitrary junk in a peripheral; best they usually do is fix the protocol for you
2016-03-24T10:49:22 < ohsix> kind of like shockburst stuff on the nrf24
2016-03-24T10:49:33 < zyp> upgrdman, what about IDs? do you reuse the same ID for all, or do you use part of the ID as a sequence number? etc…
2016-03-24T10:49:42 < zyp> there's lots of ways to do the fragmentation protocol
2016-03-24T10:49:55 < upgrdman> same for all, but ya, i know its complex, but doable
2016-03-24T10:50:14 < upgrdman> a nice dma periph would make it possible to do either
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2016-03-24T10:52:21 < zyp> good morning, crt
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2016-03-24T11:01:43 < ohsix> k ya the dma controller on the stm32 is similar if not the same ip; and the 'increment transfer' stuff i read into it was basically how they wrote that peripherals supported dma
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2016-03-24T11:26:25 < upgrdman> is crt a 5yr old
2016-03-24T11:27:13 < upgrdman> lol
2016-03-24T11:30:04 < upgrdman> upgrade man
2016-03-24T11:30:41 < upgrdman> i picked it when i was 12, and the only pc i had was a piece of shit that i upgraded over time after saving my pennies
2016-03-24T11:31:00 < upgrdman> now im 100% pro
2016-03-24T11:31:06 < upgrdman> surface PRO 4 even
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2016-03-24T11:39:55 < tecdroid> hi crt
2016-03-24T11:40:03 < tecdroid> it isn't that late here... DX
2016-03-24T11:40:04 < tecdroid> XD
2016-03-24T11:44:21 < ohsix> heyooo peter serifinowicz is the new tick
2016-03-24T11:44:47 < ohsix> oh on amazon, nevermind
2016-03-24T11:48:28 < ReadError> wat
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2016-03-24T11:54:38 < ReadError> got some new pump tracks for us crt
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2016-03-24T12:47:59 < ohsix> sump?
2016-03-24T12:49:16 < ohsix> holy shit rob ford died
2016-03-24T12:50:04 < ohsix> i wonder how long he had cancer
2016-03-24T12:50:15 < ohsix> i'd be doing coke and meth and drinking all the time too
2016-03-24T12:52:26 < ohsix> Ford underwent surgery at Mount Sinai Hospital in May 2015, what was then considered his last chance to survive pleomorphic liposarcoma.
2016-03-24T12:52:31 < ohsix> he did
2016-03-24T12:52:33 < ohsix> he's dead now
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2016-03-24T13:53:29 < dongs> nope
2016-03-24T13:53:32 < dongs> im still stoned
2016-03-24T13:54:51 < dongs> VVVVVAPE NATIONNNNNNNNN
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2016-03-24T14:12:48 < ReadError> dongs you do flowers or concentrates ?
2016-03-24T14:30:25 < dongs> afghanistan is losing to japs
2016-03-24T14:30:28 < dongs> 5:0 lol.
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2016-03-24T14:43:09 < BrainDamage> crt: the unicode standard has like 10 glyph for trains
2016-03-24T14:43:13 < BrainDamage> and as many for cats
2016-03-24T14:43:41 < BrainDamage>  🚂 🚊 🚉 🚞 🚆 🚄 🚅 🚈 🚇 🚝 🚋 🚃 🚟
2016-03-24T14:43:48 < PeterM> is there 10 for cats being hit by trains *hopes*
2016-03-24T14:44:04 < BrainDamage> not that i know of
2016-03-24T14:44:18 < PeterM> missed opportunities
2016-03-24T14:44:18 < Thorn> and A PILE OF POO
2016-03-24T14:44:39 < Thorn> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm
2016-03-24T14:48:04 < ReadError> suggestions for a nice inexpensive ADC ?
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2016-03-24T14:53:42 < ReadError> voltage too high
2016-03-24T14:54:01 < ReadError> and a divider seems meh
2016-03-24T14:54:06 < ReadError> i want to use a nice legit ADC
2016-03-24T14:54:16 < aandrew> ReadError: "a nice adc" means nothing
2016-03-24T14:54:48 < ReadError> 1 channel, not 400$, SPI
2016-03-24T15:02:24 < PeterM> mrar specs ReadError
2016-03-24T15:02:44 < PeterM> like ENOB and sample rate would be nice
2016-03-24T15:02:58 < ReadError> doesnt need to be high sample rate
2016-03-24T15:03:06 < ReadError> but high precision
2016-03-24T15:03:19 < ReadError> not much noise
2016-03-24T15:03:40 < lorenzo> ReadError: I use ADS1110 from TI
2016-03-24T15:03:45 < ReadError> maybe some kinda filtering on the IC
2016-03-24T15:03:53 < lorenzo> delta-sigma, internal ref, pga, i2c
2016-03-24T15:04:02 < lorenzo> 16-bit
2016-03-24T15:04:12 < lorenzo> 2.89 eur / 1ku
2016-03-24T15:06:26 < lorenzo> there are a few more-or-less equivalent SPI ones, faster and pricier ofc
2016-03-24T15:06:48 < ReadError> is that a feature some ADCs have? like 'software' filtering
2016-03-24T15:06:52 < ReadError> but in hardware
2016-03-24T15:06:57 < lorenzo> what kind of filtering?
2016-03-24T15:07:07 < ReadError> smoothing
2016-03-24T15:07:17 < ReadError> the voltage wont be changing very fast
2016-03-24T15:07:32 < ReadError> I can do moving average in code I guess
2016-03-24T15:07:48 < PeterM> ix http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1669442.pdf  suitable for oyur needs
2016-03-24T15:08:16 < lorenzo> I don't think there's any ADC with on-chip DSP capabilities
2016-03-24T15:08:29 < lorenzo> or if there is, it's called a DSP and doesn't cost 2.89 eur
2016-03-24T15:09:12 < ReadError> i2c :((((((
2016-03-24T15:11:09 < PeterM> hahaha
2016-03-24T15:11:20 < PeterM> i hate i2c probably more than hte next guy
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2016-03-24T15:28:10 < englishman> an indiegogo i can really get behind https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fast-nein-the-fast-the-fuhrer#/
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2016-03-24T15:36:03 < PeterM> englishman, interesting
2016-03-24T15:36:57 < PeterM> although ##stm32 being the channel it is, i expected it to be a butt shaped fleshlight or something and "an indiegogo i can really get behind" being a terrible pun.
2016-03-24T15:40:03 < englishman> ##stm32 mater race
2016-03-24T15:40:56 < PeterM> yes, exactly
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2016-03-24T18:31:10 < kakimir> did you say I can openocd with remote server!?
2016-03-24T18:31:27 < kakimir> just realized I have another computer ready to go
2016-03-24T18:31:29 < kakimir> lunix one
2016-03-24T18:31:40 < kakimir> has rs232, usb.. all that sweet stuff
2016-03-24T18:31:47 < kakimir> wifi too
2016-03-24T18:32:10 < kakimir> that is really good for 2003 laptop
2016-03-24T18:35:04 < PaulFertser> kakimir: sure you can, why not?
2016-03-24T18:35:22 < Laurenceb_> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/03/24/microsofts-teen-girl-ai-turns-into-a-hitler-loving-sex-robot-wit/
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2016-03-24T18:35:33 < Laurenceb_> ai sound good
2016-03-24T18:37:33 < kakimir> what about over internets?
2016-03-24T18:38:00 < PaulFertser> kakimir: can work too, it's tcp/ip, duh
2016-03-24T18:38:27 < kakimir> how about practically?
2016-03-24T18:38:41 < kakimir> I wish I could control my scope over ip
2016-03-24T18:38:50 < kakimir> and actually not operate it locally
2016-03-24T18:39:00 < kakimir> and actually have robotic arm to place probe
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2016-03-24T18:40:06 < kakimir> when it hands down it's hand down and when it's programming and measurements I want clear space
2016-03-24T18:40:19 < kakimir> I need so big scope I can connect everything
2016-03-24T18:40:54 < kakimir> hmm.. testboard witg pogosticks and some muxing on board
2016-03-24T18:41:10 < kakimir> bolt it on and change channels over ip
2016-03-24T18:42:16 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: very muh lulz... singularity is near
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2016-03-24T18:56:51 < Laurenceb_> arg wtf
2016-03-24T18:57:01 < Laurenceb_> pcbtrain closed for 8 days over easter
2016-03-24T18:57:25 < Laurenceb_> and people wonder why manufacturing in EU is seen as a waste of time
2016-03-24T18:58:26 < Laurenceb_> time to order cheap chinashit
2016-03-24T18:58:58 < Sync> why the fuck do you even innovate over easter
2016-03-24T18:59:14 < Laurenceb_> cuz I have like 3 days off
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2016-03-24T18:59:31 < Sync> doing it wrong
2016-03-24T19:00:05 < Laurenceb_> I could order from china now and it'd arrive before pcbfail O_o
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2016-03-24T19:04:56 < BrainDamage> china closes for weeks on the chinese new year
2016-03-24T19:05:01 < BrainDamage> i don't see the difference
2016-03-24T19:09:08 < englishman> Laurenceb_: i cant believe i watched that whole bbc thing
2016-03-24T19:09:12 < englishman> i feel dumber now
2016-03-24T19:09:26 < Laurenceb_> haha yeah that was full retard
2016-03-24T19:09:41 < kakimir> just inpatient youngsters trying to hussle
2016-03-24T19:09:47 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: I've never seen delays of more than a few years
2016-03-24T19:09:51 < Laurenceb_> lulwut days
2016-03-24T19:09:59 < englishman> old dude gest 15 years funding from BAE based on a sketch of a plane with green stuff coming out hte bottom
2016-03-24T19:10:01 < kakimir> in big scheme some week doesn't mean nothing
2016-03-24T19:10:19 < kakimir> englishman: poison?
2016-03-24T19:10:38 < aandrew> what BBC thing is that? I could use feeling dumber
2016-03-24T19:10:42 < englishman> gravity poison
2016-03-24T19:10:47 < Laurenceb_> I didnt have the energy to watch that part
2016-03-24T19:10:55 < Laurenceb_> skipped to emdrive
2016-03-24T19:11:07 < englishman> that part was megafail too
2016-03-24T19:11:13 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-03-24T19:11:20 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mgxf
2016-03-24T19:11:24 < kakimir> when did bs research become a thing Laurenceb_ ?
2016-03-24T19:11:35 < Sync> since reasearch was inventend
2016-03-24T19:11:37 < Laurenceb_> ^  vpn/ip block is not my job to fix sorry
2016-03-24T19:11:39 < Sync> -n
2016-03-24T19:11:40 < kakimir> you know as nasaspaceflight follower
2016-03-24T19:11:58 < englishman> aandrew: pm
2016-03-24T19:12:11 < aandrew> thanks
2016-03-24T19:12:11 < kakimir> but in traditional fields like aerospace
2016-03-24T19:12:32 < aandrew> I can draw a picture like that, gimme some UKP funding
2016-03-24T19:13:39 < kakimir> how you name your debug servers?
2016-03-24T19:15:01 < Laurenceb_> my wut??
2016-03-24T19:15:36 < kakimir> thing you use to extend your information system physically so you can remotelly debug
2016-03-24T19:19:35 < aandrew> sounds like screen
2016-03-24T19:20:53 < kakimir> I dont need solutions but to come up with some stupid name for ddns
2016-03-24T19:21:54 < aandrew> oh you want us to name your shit
2016-03-24T19:21:59 < aandrew> call it feature
2016-03-24T19:22:02 < aandrew> done
2016-03-24T19:22:55 < kakimir> feature.ddns.net - okay
2016-03-24T19:29:43 < lorenzo> kakimir: https://namingschemes.com/
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2016-03-24T19:32:10 < kakimir> cool
2016-03-24T19:32:33 < kakimir> and so nerd
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2016-03-24T19:35:17 < kakimir> makes all sense if you have 7servers
2016-03-24T19:35:42 < kakimir> to name those by some group or list of things
2016-03-24T19:35:51 < kakimir> totally unrelated
2016-03-24T19:41:14 < kakimir> I wonder the version combatibility of openocd server and client
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2016-03-24T20:23:22 < mitrax> kakimir: practically it works fine (openocd over the internet), i use it all the time
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2016-03-24T20:33:24 < kakimir> where to where?
2016-03-24T20:33:28 < kakimir> jub to home?
2016-03-24T20:33:32 < kakimir> jub at home?
2016-03-24T20:35:53 < FatalNIX> hmm, I forget how that worked...
2016-03-24T20:36:20 < FatalNIX> with ARM assembly in Keil, anyone know how you specify the inverse of a number? for example, if I want to do something like and rx, ~#foobar
2016-03-24T20:37:03 < FatalNIX> I can't just do ~foobar right?
2016-03-24T20:37:52 < FatalNIX> ,aine #~foobar ?
2016-03-24T20:37:52 < FatalNIX> maybe*
2016-03-24T20:40:57 < mitrax> kakimir: my workplace to a guy i work with's workplace
2016-03-24T20:41:45 < kakimir> jub to jub
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2016-03-24T20:44:13 < Laurenceb_> nice
2016-03-24T20:44:23 < Laurenceb_> cp21xx config tool runs on linux
2016-03-24T20:46:26 < Laurenceb_> just need some enclosures and my steval sp1ml dongles will be totally pro
2016-03-24T20:46:57 < Laurenceb_> also scalpel off the "for evaluation use only"  :D
2016-03-24T20:50:13 < Laurenceb_> https://sli.mg/ONsCdi
2016-03-24T20:51:25 < mitrax> ahahahahah
2016-03-24T20:51:59 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-03-24T20:55:10 < mitrax> someone needs a dremel
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2016-03-24T21:01:45 < PaulFertser> mitrax: are you not using ssh for that, just gdb serial over internet?
2016-03-24T21:02:28 < mitrax> PaulFertser: reverse ssh tunnel for convenience
2016-03-24T21:03:03 < PaulFertser> mitrax: yeah, ok :)
2016-03-24T21:04:16 < mitrax> PaulFertser: i've done it directly a few times but it's troublesome if you're behind NAT, so usually i just ssh from the box that runs openocd, to my box where the IDE runs
2016-03-24T21:04:44 < kakimir> ssh and... do you need some tunnel there?
2016-03-24T21:05:08 < kakimir> what about when there is windows ide
2016-03-24T21:05:09 < BrainDamage> ssh doesthe tunnel
2016-03-24T21:05:29 < mitrax> kakimir: i run windows, i use visual studio
2016-03-24T21:05:37 < kakimir> how the tunnel is made?
2016-03-24T21:06:18 < mitrax> kakimir: that's a functionnality of openssh, you use an ssh client e.g plink and tell it to create a tunnel
2016-03-24T21:06:58 < kakimir> what you need at "receiver" end?
2016-03-24T21:07:11 < mitrax> what do you call the receiver end
2016-03-24T21:07:14 < BrainDamage> ssh
2016-03-24T21:07:15 < kakimir> IDE end
2016-03-24T21:07:27 < BrainDamage> a ssh client can open a tunnel in either direction
2016-03-24T21:07:43 < BrainDamage> provided it's connected to a ssh server
2016-03-24T21:08:01 < mitrax> kakimir: i run the ssh server on my box (bitvise ssh it's free)
2016-03-24T21:08:27 < kakimir> okay
2016-03-24T21:08:28 < kakimir> makes sense
2016-03-24T21:08:31 < BrainDamage> for ssh client, putty iirc can run tunnels
2016-03-24T21:08:32 < mitrax> kakimir: but it could be the other way around too
2016-03-24T21:08:46 < mitrax> yup, plink is part of putty
2016-03-24T21:09:13 < BrainDamage> /me doesn't understand why it's 2016 and windows doesn't have a builtin ssh client yet
2016-03-24T21:09:14 < kakimir> how is the bitvise client?
2016-03-24T21:09:37 < mitrax> kakimir: you could use it as well but i'm used to putty
2016-03-24T21:09:53 < kakimir> something installs all the putty shiet every time I start on new machine
2016-03-24T21:09:59 < kakimir> plink - it's there
2016-03-24T21:10:13 < kakimir> there is some puttygen
2016-03-24T21:10:38 < kakimir> and putty
2016-03-24T21:10:46 < kakimir> oh it's GOW
2016-03-24T21:15:15 < mitrax> dinner time
2016-03-24T21:15:33 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-24T21:15:37 < kakimir> 21:15
2016-03-24T21:15:51 < kakimir> https://vimeo.com/96985367
2016-03-24T21:24:28 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb-grade link: http://www.i-am-bored.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/no-caps-61-6.jpg
2016-03-24T21:25:47 < kakimir> there is no lesser quality than Laurenceb-grade links
2016-03-24T21:32:57 < lorenzo> heil
2016-03-24T21:37:06 < kakimir> hmm maybe sauna once I while>
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2016-03-24T22:05:51 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1458844514540.webm
2016-03-24T22:06:26 < ohsix> is that about ethics
2016-03-24T22:10:57 < Steffanx> and fucking OLD
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2016-03-24T22:15:21 < fest> Laurenceb_: for some reason I imagined ear tunnels shaped for kensington locks, haha
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2016-03-24T22:28:05 < kakimir> I wonder what is the best time of day to send formal emails?
2016-03-24T22:28:30 < kakimir> as I do not have like a... normal day time stuff
2016-03-24T22:28:47 < kakimir> 3AM the best rite?
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2016-03-24T22:35:43 < kakimir> found nice doc series from youtubes
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2016-03-24T22:36:03 < kakimir> "Worst Place To Be A Pilot"
2016-03-24T22:36:23 < Sync> yes, it is actually not too bad
2016-03-24T22:37:16 < kakimir> indonesian bush pilots.. basically like truckers on ice but made by BBC and is in airlining business in the damn jungle
2016-03-24T22:39:03 < kakimir> imdb 8.7/10 - not bad
2016-03-24T22:41:29 < kakimir> not bbc but some channel 4
2016-03-24T22:41:45 < kakimir> the biggest channel number in UK
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2016-03-24T23:16:43 < Laurenceb_> where can I find usb enclosures?
2016-03-24T23:17:01 < Laurenceb_> I'm seeing "new age enclosures" on mouser, but their range is very limited
2016-03-24T23:18:00 < kakimir> usb enclosure?
2016-03-24T23:18:24 < kakimir> oh dongle enclosures
2016-03-24T23:18:42 < Laurenceb_> inb4 donglegate
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2016-03-24T23:31:02 < ohsix> what makes an enclosure usb
2016-03-24T23:31:05 < ohsix> a connector?
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2016-03-24T23:32:37 < Laurenceb_> a dongle casing
2016-03-24T23:32:38 < ohsix> i'm not looking for them on mouser bro
2016-03-24T23:32:55 < Laurenceb_> yeah but surely someone on here has used similar stuff
2016-03-24T23:33:08 < ohsix> you want a th ing to put a hard drive in?
2016-03-24T23:33:17 < Laurenceb_> seriously... DONGLE
2016-03-24T23:33:26 < ohsix> oh
2016-03-24T23:33:32 < ohsix> haw
2016-03-24T23:33:34 < Laurenceb_> http://www.newageenclosures.com/cart.php?m=product_list&c=5
2016-03-24T23:33:44 < ohsix> yea i'm with you now
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2016-03-24T23:33:57 < ohsix> how many do you need
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2016-03-24T23:35:37 < Laurenceb_> why dont you ask them then crt
2016-03-24T23:35:58 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: only a few, thats why I want off the shelf
2016-03-24T23:36:04 < Laurenceb_> I could do SLS nylon
2016-03-24T23:36:16 < Laurenceb_> but then I'd need to do some sort of surface finish
2016-03-24T23:36:23 < Laurenceb_> lol maybe gelcoat would work
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2016-03-24T23:46:44 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/6OAiUU.jpg
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2016-03-24T23:50:52 < ohsix> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5585082/?ref_=tt_cl_t1
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2016-03-24T23:58:35 < kakimir> mainloop doesn't have in it's scope any of functions defined above
2016-03-24T23:58:40 < kakimir> what the poo
2016-03-24T23:58:51 < kakimir> inline?
2016-03-24T23:59:33 < kakimir> need static?
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2016-03-25T00:00:47 < kakimir> inline uint16_t spi_read(void){//Read 2 byte word out of SPI data register
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2016-03-25T00:07:08 < Laurenceb_> Shawyers secret invention
2016-03-25T00:07:10 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39772.0;attach=1106690;image
2016-03-25T00:07:18 < Laurenceb_> coaxial personal helicopter
2016-03-25T00:08:09 < Sync> very pro
2016-03-25T00:08:10 < kakimir> remove that ridiculous cage
2016-03-25T00:08:23 < kakimir> helicopters are meant to be dangerous
2016-03-25T00:09:19 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-25T00:09:41 < ohsix> almost all the work into making them into a vehicle is about making them as safe as possible, doesn't that conflict with what it is 'meant' to be
2016-03-25T00:10:35 < Laurenceb_> maybe emdrive is just a troll so he can scam money for his personal helicopter
2016-03-25T00:10:39 < kakimir> true aviation is man and machine
2016-03-25T00:11:02 < kakimir> not some flying safetycage
2016-03-25T00:13:41 < kakimir> pumpers... static made my function visible to main?
2016-03-25T00:13:45 < kakimir> why?
2016-03-25T00:17:52 < kakimir> I have some strict modes set to it
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2016-03-25T00:23:38 < ohsix> visible?
2016-03-25T00:23:54 < ohsix> are they in the same complation unit
2016-03-25T00:23:59 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a273824.pdf
2016-03-25T00:24:06 < Laurenceb_> wow, who needs emdrive
2016-03-25T00:24:14 < Laurenceb_> this is actually sane
2016-03-25T00:28:19 < kakimir> I have debug session going on remotelly
2016-03-25T00:28:24 < kakimir> this is very nice
2016-03-25T00:28:31 < kakimir> it was almost painlaess
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2016-03-25T00:42:53 < kakimir> how easy it is to have multidebug session
2016-03-25T00:42:55 < kakimir> ?
2016-03-25T00:43:24 < kakimir> when your device has more than one seperate parts that need to function together
2016-03-25T00:45:34 < kakimir> with different codes ofcourse
2016-03-25T00:47:56 < ohsix> easy
2016-03-25T00:48:12 < ohsix> your debug probe will allow multiple connections
2016-03-25T00:49:51 < kakimir> how
2016-03-25T00:50:14 < kakimir> note: I use SWD
2016-03-25T00:50:16 < kakimir> always
2016-03-25T00:50:27 < ohsix> the debug probe is openocd
2016-03-25T00:50:46 < ohsix> the device is xlink whatever via swd
2016-03-25T00:51:48 < ohsix> i dunno if there are any of them going to be in the example files but that would be the place to look
2016-03-25T00:51:55 < kakimir> don't I just open servers for different ports and with some discrimination to interface to use?
2016-03-25T00:52:08 < ohsix> probably can't do it with swd unless you had multiple devices
2016-03-25T00:52:13 < ohsix> yea basically
2016-03-25T00:52:29 < kakimir> then have like... 2 lpcpressos open with 2 debug profiles
2016-03-25T00:52:45 < ohsix> but with jtag/similar openocd can kown about the whole chain and all the clocks so you can stop the cpus and step them and stuff as cooperating things
2016-03-25T00:53:01 < kakimir> :o
2016-03-25T00:53:09 < kakimir> that sounds kewl
2016-03-25T00:53:35 < kakimir> I wonder how accurate that is without physically doing it with one interface
2016-03-25T00:53:41 < ohsix> it's a bit abstract to talk about, an actual thing will certainly work in a weird way
2016-03-25T00:54:35 < kakimir> I have like communications there
2016-03-25T00:54:39 < kakimir> going on
2016-03-25T00:56:50 < kakimir> ideally I would have a third device emulating the application side of electronics there too
2016-03-25T00:57:01 < kakimir> which also halts in sync
2016-03-25T00:57:25 < kakimir> or emulation running on another board
2016-03-25T00:57:28 < ohsix> o ya omap stuff has multiple things in them
2016-03-25T00:57:53 < ohsix> look at the config files for one of those, they'll be able to work with the cpu and the dsps
2016-03-25T00:58:04 < ohsix> and there are io processors on some of them that it might do as well
2016-03-25T00:58:46 < kakimir> hmm
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2016-03-25T01:01:09 < Thorn> does anyone have any experience with the IT6720 PSU? http://www.itechate.com/en/product/conter46.htm http://www.itechate.com/Upload/File/20150806101352.pdf
2016-03-25T01:03:50 < Thorn> but only 3.2A @5V
2016-03-25T01:03:59 < Thorn> @30V
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2016-03-25T01:04:43 < Thorn> someone on eevblog said they like it better than thah korad/uniontest/tenma/velleman
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2016-03-25T01:20:31 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39772.msg1507715#msg1507715
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2016-03-25T01:41:46 < Laurenceb_> I'm mega pissed now
2016-03-25T01:42:00 < Laurenceb_> can't find a decent selection on usb dongle enclosures anywhere
2016-03-25T01:43:04 < ohsix> wat do you need to put in it
2016-03-25T01:43:22 < ohsix> if you make the pcb that fits on the connector you can put them in rtv or something for prototypes
2016-03-25T01:43:26 < ohsix> or epoxy
2016-03-25T01:43:48 < Laurenceb_> hmm maybe
2016-03-25T01:44:01 < Laurenceb_> need it for steval sp1ml dongle board
2016-03-25T01:47:01 < ohsix> looks like a pretty common form factor
2016-03-25T01:47:15 < ohsix> they might mention a supplier and case in some of the datasheets or something
2016-03-25T01:53:59 < kakimir> https://devhumor.com/content/uploads//images/February2016/1454387174485.png
2016-03-25T01:55:53 < ohsix> i don't get it
2016-03-25T01:57:08 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: or just heat shrink
2016-03-25T01:57:26 < ohsix> i have a bunch of probes and serial things with heat shrink on them and they're not bad
2016-03-25T01:58:00 < Laurenceb_> think I found something
2016-03-25T01:58:01 < Laurenceb_> http://www.soselectronic.com/a_info/resource/i/newage/201005_r5_1.pdf
2016-03-25T01:58:06 < Laurenceb_> looks like a perfect fit
2016-03-25T01:58:16 < ohsix> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1615278383_1/DIY-ST-LINK-V2-stlink-Emulater-Downloader-For-STM8-STM32-Practical-and-Easy-to-carry-Free.jpg this kind of crap
2016-03-25T01:59:09 < ohsix> that looks a lot like the st pcb wrt width too
2016-03-25T01:59:27 < ohsix> is it .7m wide
2016-03-25T01:59:31 < ohsix> mil?
2016-03-25T01:59:44 < ohsix> oh inch duh
2016-03-25T02:00:06 < Laurenceb_> nah its 20.6mm ide
2016-03-25T02:00:13 < Laurenceb_> thats half the issue, extra wide dongle
2016-03-25T02:00:36 < Laurenceb_> I want it to be pro - this is something I'm selling
2016-03-25T02:01:08 < ohsix> you're gonna sell an sd dev kit that isn't certified for use to people?
2016-03-25T02:01:15 < ohsix> sd/st
2016-03-25T02:02:07 < Laurenceb_> shhhhh
2016-03-25T02:02:12 < Laurenceb_> lol yes
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2016-03-25T02:11:15 < ohsix> making a pcb and basically doing the same thing is easy enough, then it can fit in anything
2016-03-25T02:15:30 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/vKPWSbJ
2016-03-25T02:16:20 < ohsix> .
2016-03-25T02:16:40 < jadew> why is that image so small?
2016-03-25T02:18:43 < ohsix> and just posted
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2016-03-25T02:19:01 < ohsix> did you post it, you should be embarassed or something
2016-03-25T02:19:07 < kakimir> why are Laurenceb links so interesting today
2016-03-25T02:19:53 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: I think I have a lead on that, let me ask a friend
2016-03-25T02:20:28 < ohsix> haw someone posted my horse gif to facebook
2016-03-25T02:23:24 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: hm he got a bunch of these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Risym-USB-male-connector-with-a-three-piece-plastic-shell-USB-plug-type-A-USB-connector/1526455799.html
2016-03-25T02:23:29 < aandrew> not quite what you were after
2016-03-25T02:23:59 < Laurenceb_> heh interesting
2016-03-25T02:24:23 < Laurenceb_> I think the thing I linked would work.. confusing design tho
2016-03-25T02:24:36 < Laurenceb_> time to model with blu-tac  :P
2016-03-25T02:24:41 < Laurenceb_> who needs CAD
2016-03-25T02:25:04 < kakimir> I can not find scripts in my fresh build of openocd
2016-03-25T02:26:41 < kakimir> I don't remember how this goes but it's like.. not there
2016-03-25T02:29:15 < ohsix> i kind of wish the scripts were a seperate thing, having to wait for an openocd release for tap file things that work unmodified is buns
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2016-03-25T02:32:53 < kakimir> it's not how it goes
2016-03-25T02:33:27 < kakimir> those scripts are just setup of parameters for internal functions
2016-03-25T02:34:04 < kakimir> I'm glad as long as it can handle everything I throw at it
2016-03-25T02:34:11 < kakimir> like lpc anything
2016-03-25T02:34:18 < kakimir> stm32 anything
2016-03-25T02:42:12 < kakimir> is there some lunix tool to show directory structure in ascii?
2016-03-25T02:42:20 < kakimir> like tree acsii
2016-03-25T02:44:13 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-25T02:44:20 < kakimir> "tree"
2016-03-25T02:44:57 < kakimir> wanted to see it in my home dir
2016-03-25T02:45:02 < Laurenceb_> https://8ch.net/tech/src/1458830097354.jpg
2016-03-25T02:46:16 < englishman> stm32 hal requires word-aligned arrays for basic xfer functions, sigh
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2016-03-25T02:54:21 < mtbg> hi
2016-03-25T03:31:51 < Fleck> any ideas why RTC->PRLL gets reset after reset? :D vbat is ok...
2016-03-25T03:32:19 < Fleck> on F103...
2016-03-25T03:35:27 < Fleck> in the same time - BKP->RTCCR keeps value after reset
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2016-03-25T04:42:49 < ohsix> what kind of reset, fault reset? it says what's preserved across different types of resets, but i don't know off hand
2016-03-25T04:43:31 < Fleck> power reset (vbat stays connected...)
2016-03-25T04:47:18 < ohsix> jadew: finally got to see if https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2675785 worked ... it appears that it does
2016-03-25T04:48:43 < ohsix> it's slower than the best speed before, but it is a high average
2016-03-25T04:52:24 < Fleck> ohsix: anyway, forgetting/reseting PRLL value doesn't make sense imo :D
2016-03-25T04:54:01 < ohsix> i didn't read much about the clock tree stuff and what parts of that gets kept over reset, sorry
2016-03-25T04:58:18 < Fleck> All system registers are asynchronously reset by a System Reset or Power Reset, except for RTC_PRL, RTC_ALR, RTC_CNT, and RTC_DIV.
2016-03-25T04:59:39 < Fleck> RTC_CNT keeps it's value, even more, keeps counting, but not RTC_PRL
2016-03-25T05:01:02 < Fleck> will try different board :D
2016-03-25T05:03:36 < dongs> http://puu.sh/nSxD6/33d0ef0546.png
2016-03-25T05:04:02 < Fleck> nope, same, so must be code somewhere :/
2016-03-25T05:19:40 < jadew> ohsix, good to know
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2016-03-25T05:22:19 < PeterM> https://u.pomf.is/bkskuw.webm
2016-03-25T05:24:54 < jadew> what's going on?
2016-03-25T05:25:01 < jadew> I don't get it
2016-03-25T05:25:25 < jadew> why are you guys posting this stuff?
2016-03-25T05:29:29 < ohsix> ethics i think
2016-03-25T05:30:27 < ohsix> oh
2016-03-25T05:30:36 < ohsix> this was microsofts bot that turned into nazi loving pedophile
2016-03-25T05:30:53 < ohsix> jadew: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/microsoft-terminates-its-tay-ai-chatbot-after-she-turns-into-a-nazi/
2016-03-25T05:31:24 < ohsix> actually if you were a credulous teenager you'd actually, probably turn out the same
2016-03-25T05:31:51 < jadew> lol
2016-03-25T05:31:53 < jadew> that'
2016-03-25T05:31:59 < jadew> that's freaking awesome
2016-03-25T05:32:20 < dongs> haha, steaming 10
2016-03-25T05:32:22 < jadew> I guess now we know that the rise of the machine is an actual posibility
2016-03-25T05:33:11 < ohsix> the only thing this bot was hooked up to was microsofts reputation and twitter
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2016-03-25T05:34:09 < ohsix> dongs: you officially autismed the chatbot more than me
2016-03-25T05:34:16 < ohsix> someone mentioned it this morning and i didn't care :[
2016-03-25T05:35:19 < dongs> congratulations, now find an oven
2016-03-25T05:36:30 < ohsix> who are you talking to
2016-03-25T05:37:06 < dongs> must be r2com
2016-03-25T05:37:36 < dongs> sick of blogging, thinking of quitting
2016-03-25T05:37:53 < dongs> blogging
2016-03-25T05:38:06 < dongs> no the paid per blog blogging
2016-03-25T05:38:30 < ohsix> still buttnest?
2016-03-25T05:38:33 < dongs> it'll be taken over by ohsix
2016-03-25T05:39:17 < jadew> lmfao, are those tweets for real?
2016-03-25T05:39:19 < jadew> hahah
2016-03-25T05:39:29 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-25T05:39:50 < ohsix> twitter is going to try its' noisiest and hardest to make it relevant to your life
2016-03-25T05:40:38 < jadew> omg... they're hilareous
2016-03-25T05:40:54 < jadew> "we travel to nursing homes and explore Grandpas in their natural habitat" hahaha
2016-03-25T05:41:06 < jadew> why did they shut it down?
2016-03-25T05:41:09 < jadew> this is gold
2016-03-25T05:42:19 < ohsix> hitler of course
2016-03-25T05:42:39 < jadew> ah, right
2016-03-25T05:42:47 < jadew> still, funny as hell
2016-03-25T05:42:50 < ohsix> the telegraph: Microsoft deletes 'teen girl' AI after it became a Hitler-loving sex robot within 24 hours
2016-03-25T05:43:11 < ohsix> oh god hahaha the times of israel wrote about it
2016-03-25T05:43:20 < dongs> Tay has been built by mining relevant public data and by using AI and editorial developed by a staff including improvisational comedians. Public data that’s been anonymized is Tay’s primary data source. That data has been modeled, cleaned and filtered by the team developing Tay.
2016-03-25T05:43:25 < dongs> apparently not cleaned enough
2016-03-25T05:43:53 < ohsix> :<
2016-03-25T05:43:55 < ohsix> http://www.timesofisrael.com/microsoft-drops-chatbot-made-into-hitler-loving-monster-on-twitter/
2016-03-25T05:43:58 < jadew> they probably hoped it would learn something else
2016-03-25T05:44:03 < ohsix> they call it malevolent as if the bot had intent
2016-03-25T05:44:12 < ohsix> people don't understand computers
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2016-03-25T05:44:43 < ohsix> only thing tay didn't do was start crying and have parents that told her who hitler was
2016-03-25T05:44:54 < ohsix> any regular teen would have been ran off from the attention
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2016-03-25T05:45:25 < jadew> the bachelorette joke is quite good
2016-03-25T05:45:34 < dongs> hatred for “n*****s” and “k***s.”
2016-03-25T05:45:35 < ohsix> this doesn't bode well for bing olol
2016-03-25T05:45:35 < dongs> kikes?
2016-03-25T05:45:40 < ohsix> dongs: kites
2016-03-25T05:45:50 < ohsix> the times of israel has some sort of hang ups about them
2016-03-25T05:45:50 < dongs> what's with kite hate.
2016-03-25T05:45:52 < ohsix> i don't get it
2016-03-25T05:46:35 < ohsix> anyways yea, what google does for search approximates this kind of 'learning' model, it is funny how badly they fucked it up and let in pure garbage
2016-03-25T05:47:48 < dongs> mouser sent me "tools for open source hardware" email
2016-03-25T05:48:02 < dongs> Intel Arduino 101 Development board
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2016-03-25T05:48:21 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/new/Intel/arduino101/
2016-03-25T05:48:36 < jadew> this shit is getting out of hands
2016-03-25T05:49:23 < dongs> what hte hell is that processor on that thing
2016-03-25T05:49:27 < dongs> curie "module"?
2016-03-25T05:49:34 < dongs> it looks like a bga/some kinda pop thing
2016-03-25T05:49:40 < dongs> doesnt look liek a module to me
2016-03-25T05:50:14 < jadew> http://ro.mouser.com/new/Intel/intel-quark-se-soc/
2016-03-25T05:51:31 < dongs> 32MHz clock, 32-bit address bus
2016-03-25T05:51:34 < dongs> is that a typo
2016-03-25T05:52:07 < dongs> 6.4x6.33x0.52mm
2016-03-25T05:52:08 < dongs> 144 pin WLCSP
2016-03-25T05:52:09 < dongs> lol.
2016-03-25T05:52:12 < dongs> totally for hobbyists
2016-03-25T05:52:33 < jadew> yeah, it's stupid
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2016-03-25T05:53:09 < dongs> but anyway, thats not quark
2016-03-25T05:53:16 < dongs> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/wearables/wearable-soc.html
2016-03-25T05:53:16 < ReadError> http://wccftech.com/intel-broadwell-ep-xeon-e5-2600-v4-march-launch/
2016-03-25T05:53:17 < dongs> i guess its this shit
2016-03-25T05:53:32 < dongs> ReadError: no more desktop  chipsets for v4 xeons
2016-03-25T05:53:38 < dongs> so that shit's dead to me
2016-03-25T05:53:44 < dongs> you need ecc ram + C210 or wahtever server chipsets
2016-03-25T05:53:54 < ReadError> 55MB of L3 dayum
2016-03-25T05:54:15 < ReadError> one is clocked at 5.1GHz lol
2016-03-25T05:54:28 < dongs> thats jsut a typo
2016-03-25T05:54:30 < dongs> 1.5->5.1
2016-03-25T05:54:52 < dongs> the table is in speed sort order.
2016-03-25T05:54:52 < ReadError> look at the watts
2016-03-25T05:54:59 < ReadError> its 2x
2016-03-25T05:55:19 < ReadError> http://wccftech.com/intel-rumored-launch-51-ghz-xeon-e52602-v4-processor-broadwellep-lineup-features-165w-tdp/
2016-03-25T05:55:40 < dongs> 5.1ghz isnt gonna help you get any better at innovating
2016-03-25T05:56:00 < ReadError> yea but imagine what it can do to my FAP game
2016-03-25T05:57:25 < dongs> jadew: https://communities.intel.com/thread/88620?start=0&tstart=0
2016-03-25T05:57:25 < dongs> haha.
2016-03-25T05:58:05 < dongs> ok so curie is some shit that  sticks quark + gyro/acc + some other shit on a littel carrier board, but there's no datasheet/info whatsoever and its been like 5 months since people asked. looks dead to me.
2016-03-25T05:58:40 < dongs> heh it was announced january last year
2016-03-25T05:59:08 < jadew> well, if you got the e-mail today, maybe they plan to finally release it properly
2016-03-25T05:59:33 < dongs> well its for sale for $30 on mouser
2016-03-25T06:00:00 < dongs> "datasheet" from mouser just links to intel's wank page about it
2016-03-25T06:00:02 < dongs> with zero technical info
2016-03-25T06:00:05 < dongs> https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/do-it-yourself/arduino-101.html
2016-03-25T06:02:13 < dongs> Socket TypeArduino shieldSilicon22 nmMax TDP300 W
2016-03-25T06:02:16 < dongs> ahaahha
2016-03-25T06:02:17 < dongs> 300W
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2016-03-25T06:05:31 < jadew> where did you get that spec from?
2016-03-25T06:05:37 < dongs> that page
2016-03-25T06:05:45 < dongs> click technical specs on taht page
2016-03-25T06:05:49 < dongs> it scrolls down
2016-03-25T06:05:51 < dongs> then click "more specs'
2016-03-25T06:05:57 < ohsix> dongs: get one and do a destroy video
2016-03-25T06:06:06 < ohsix> dongs: you could be the first person to have a video about it on youtube
2016-03-25T06:06:36 < jadew> dongs, I can't find a technical specs link
2016-03-25T06:06:59 < ohsix> what kind of specs are you looking for
2016-03-25T06:07:10 < jadew> the TDP that dongs mentioned
2016-03-25T06:07:10 < ohsix> cuz i was reading them a while ago, register definitions and stuff
2016-03-25T06:07:15 < ohsix> o
2016-03-25T06:07:28 < dongs> jadew: http://www.intel.com/buy/us/en/product/emergingtechnologies/intel-arduino-101-497161 click 'wehre to buy' scroll down to 'technical specifications' click it shows some boring shit click "show more technical specfications" it shows 300W TDP
2016-03-25T06:07:54 < jadew> ha!
2016-03-25T06:08:17 < jadew> it's probably wrong
2016-03-25T06:08:25 < jadew> at that size I doubt it can dissipate that much
2016-03-25T06:08:34 < dongs> duhr.
2016-03-25T06:08:38 < ohsix> intel needs to do something to stay relevant in these spaces, everyone is going to do arm and ignore them :<
2016-03-25T06:09:02 < ohsix> huh built in neural classification engine
2016-03-25T06:09:14 < ohsix> that can do a LOT, if it doesn't suck at least
2016-03-25T06:09:26 < jadew> yeah, I noticed that too
2016-03-25T06:09:36 < jadew> but you can't trust the specs
2016-03-25T06:10:24 < ohsix> seems to tick all the boxes for microcontroller / embedded junk tho
2016-03-25T06:10:49 < ohsix> 19 channel adc mux and 19 comparators
2016-03-25T06:11:16 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-25T06:11:22 < ohsix> dsp core that does the arc instruction set
2016-03-25T06:11:28 < ohsix> that might be the first time they ever document that
2016-03-25T06:11:37 < ohsix> it's used in their lights out management stuff in the chipsets
2016-03-25T06:12:36 < dongs> they arnet gonna document it
2016-03-25T06:12:43 < dongs> if they didnt 5 months ago, no reason for htrem to start now
2016-03-25T06:13:35 < ohsix> do you even lift bro
2016-03-25T06:13:46 < ohsix> https://software.intel.com/en-us/intel-system-studio-microcontrollers
2016-03-25T06:14:58 < ohsix> says ipp supports the dsp, i think you can get the code to that
2016-03-25T06:17:49 < ohsix> Access Denied: Privileged Access Required
2016-03-25T06:17:58 < ohsix> when you try to get the datasheet
2016-03-25T06:18:02 < ohsix> need to sign an nda
2016-03-25T06:18:33 < ohsix> nobody is going to do that as an alternative to someone with cheaper parts and more open ecosystem
2016-03-25T06:18:41 < ohsix> kind of a huge red flag, even
2016-03-25T06:19:53 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-25T06:20:01 < ohsix> they have isa bugs, nop with lock prefix = explode
2016-03-25T06:26:22 < dongs> embedded x86 is a thing anyway
2016-03-25T06:26:33 < dongs> not from intel even
2016-03-25T06:26:40 < dongs> there's some ST parts for 80186 or somethi ni nthem
2016-03-25T06:26:42 < dongs> at around 80mhz
2016-03-25T06:26:55 < PeterM> many x86 embedded processors
2016-03-25T06:27:00 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-25T06:27:03 < aandrew> yeah but it's a dying breed
2016-03-25T06:27:05 < ohsix> tern and stuff sells a ton of them
2016-03-25T06:27:16 < ohsix> you can still buy the i386 in tfp from intel and shit too
2016-03-25T06:27:32 < aandrew> they sell in volume still because of ancient control systems that use the old 80186/188 type systems or embedded 386s
2016-03-25T06:27:39 < aandrew> no new system uses embedded intel anything
2016-03-25T06:27:40 < dongs> Turbo186 is in the ST stuff
2016-03-25T06:27:42 < dongs> VAutomation
2016-03-25T06:28:01 < dongs> aandrew: i mean on special purpose chips that do other stuff.
2016-03-25T06:28:02 < aandrew> even com express who's intel's biggest embedded fanboi have arm boards
2016-03-25T06:28:17 < ohsix> there is new versions of some hp test equipment that are just revs on older versions that still use them
2016-03-25T06:28:18 < dongs> and MCU is there to do shit 8051 can do
2016-03-25T06:28:20 < aandrew> 20 years ago we used the 80196 (not x86 at all, but decent back then for embedded motor control)
2016-03-25T06:28:28 < aandrew> oh yeah 8051 will never die
2016-03-25T06:28:48 < aandrew> there's a fucking 8051 core in every USB hub and controller on the planet, and little shitty 8051s are buried in everything
2016-03-25T06:28:57 < dongs> The Turbo186 continues to see use today by LANtronix in their DSTni-EX Single chip Device Networking procts
2016-03-25T06:28:58 < aandrew> people keep coming out with faster 8051 clones too
2016-03-25T06:29:01 < dongs> haha
2016-03-25T06:29:03 < dongs> lantronix ~
2016-03-25T06:29:10 < ohsix> 200dmips
2016-03-25T06:29:11 < PeterM> lol
2016-03-25T06:30:09 < ohsix> that might explain why they're 50$/port or something really stupid
2016-03-25T06:30:32 < dongs> zano port
2016-03-25T06:31:27 < ohsix> did anyone follow upw ith lantronix after they failed
2016-03-25T06:31:51 < ohsix> if they were super cynical they might have pulled off a genius move
2016-03-25T06:31:54 < dongs> http://www.lantronix.com/blog/zano-drone-xpico-wi-fi-taking-selfies-new-height/ no
2016-03-25T06:32:00 < ohsix> sell all those parts to something that will fail
2016-03-25T06:32:09 < ohsix> get money early cuz they're a bunch of chucklefucks
2016-03-25T06:34:51 < dongs> http://www.walesonline.co.uk/all-about/pembroke
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2016-03-25T06:35:13 < dongs> http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/experienced-climber-fell-death-pembrokeshire-10847060 is that t he zano cliff
2016-03-25T06:35:45 < Laurenceb_> http://appliedmemeticsllc.com/
2016-03-25T06:35:54 < Laurenceb_> this is too mental to be true
2016-03-25T06:36:14 < Laurenceb_> memetics
2016-03-25T06:36:52 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/GchGKJC
2016-03-25T06:43:19 < ohsix> dianetics?
2016-03-25T06:45:45 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FjBdL8w.gif someone was in a hurry attn upgrdman
2016-03-25T06:46:32 < ohsix> the turned into the wall wat
2016-03-25T06:48:42 < ohsix> the quark d2000/se might not even exist
2016-03-25T06:48:58 < ohsix> d1000 is the one with a datasheet and they were all sent to the press mill at the same time
2016-03-25T06:49:12 < ohsix> could be trolling for interest, all the distributors are all 'lol coming soon'
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2016-03-25T07:26:47 < ohsix> k sec
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2016-03-25T07:32:18 < upgrdman> dongs, nice
2016-03-25T07:33:12 < upgrdman> also FUCKING NXP! WHY, FOR FUCKS SAKE WHY, does the can rx fifo only have a length of TWO. you want to debug some shit? hahaha fuck you.
2016-03-25T07:33:36 < ohsix> that's a little racy pal, family channel
2016-03-25T07:33:52 < dongs> upgrdman: ownt
2016-03-25T07:36:30 < aandrew> lol
2016-03-25T07:36:39 < aandrew> sw fifo baby
2016-03-25T07:36:41 < aandrew> love it
2016-03-25T07:36:50 < aandrew> it's one of hte first things I ever instantiate on a design
2016-03-25T07:37:25 < aandrew> I gotta put CDC uart on this design and reclaim that uart though
2016-03-25T07:38:04 < aandrew> hm, can stm32 have multiple hardware slave selects on SPI or do i have to do it the stupid way
2016-03-25T07:41:13 < aandrew> looks like it only understands the concept of a (singular) SS# pin
2016-03-25T07:41:28 < aandrew> I guess I can dick around with alt function mapping before I do a transfer to bounce between two SS# though
2016-03-25T07:58:15 < dongs> http://www.itmedia.co.jp/pcuser/articles/1603/25/news022.html heh i got blogged about again
2016-03-25T07:58:22 < dongs> that explains why I woke up to a shitload of orders of this junk
2016-03-25T08:01:40 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-25T08:01:47 < ohsix> why don't you send press samples to places like that
2016-03-25T08:01:57 < ohsix> you gotta wait for them to buy one, what are you some sort of nooooooooooooooooooooob
2016-03-25T08:02:11 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXWcMiG9ROQ
2016-03-25T08:02:12 < ohsix> this
2016-03-25T08:02:43 < ohsix> why don't you try being cool like him
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2016-03-25T08:06:15 < dongs> found his order from like february
2016-03-25T08:06:24 < dongs> ohsix: nobody asks me for shit
2016-03-25T08:06:51 < ohsix> rite, they wouldn't
2016-03-25T08:07:09 < ohsix> but those guys have blagged twice, why not just send them something when you have a new thing
2016-03-25T08:07:17 < ohsix> and similar outlets that would write about it
2016-03-25T08:09:15 < dongs> panels became cheap
2016-03-25T08:09:22 < dongs> i should drop my panel kit price probably
2016-03-25T08:10:58 < dongs> %TF.GenerationSoftware,KiCad,Pcbnew,4.0.2-stable*%
2016-03-25T08:10:59 < dongs> fuckkk
2016-03-25T08:11:07 < dongs> some asshole sent this data, cant even open that gerber
2016-03-25T08:11:08 < dongs> in pro soft
2016-03-25T08:12:53 < ohsix> huh
2016-03-25T08:12:56 < ohsix> does gakken still exist
2016-03-25T08:12:59 < ohsix> you should send them one
2016-03-25T08:13:25 < ohsix> hm nm i forgot it was mostly books plus kits
2016-03-25T08:13:40 < dongs> you  must be thining CQpublishing or something
2016-03-25T08:13:47 < ohsix> gakken is kewl :<
2016-03-25T08:13:49 < dongs> another jappu thing that does ham/electronic trash.
2016-03-25T08:13:54 < ohsix> maybe
2016-03-25T08:13:58 < ohsix> i haven't seen anything from them
2016-03-25T08:14:10 < ohsix> if they have a littel block or a few pages on new stuff, def
2016-03-25T08:14:33 < ohsix> i dunno if there are any cultural reasons not to do that in japan tho, might not be a good idea
2016-03-25T08:14:56 < ohsix> they have magazines marketed to teenaged boys right? and ones that are slightly older?
2016-03-25T08:15:02 < ohsix> oh right japan, it could just be porn
2016-03-25T08:15:08 < ohsix> but if it was gadgets ololol
2016-03-25T08:15:49 < ohsix> duno man, i think you could find some places to sell things to get loads of sales
2016-03-25T08:15:52 < ohsix> omfg gary shandling died
2016-03-25T08:17:17 < ohsix> sounds like some sort of accident at his house
2016-03-25T08:17:25 < ohsix> he was still an able bodied and happy guy
2016-03-25T08:17:34 < dongs> dude, like 8 hours ago
2016-03-25T08:17:38 < dongs> you're way behind the news.
2016-03-25T08:17:42 < ohsix> yea i haven't read my rss shit
2016-03-25T08:17:51 < ohsix> i pay for not being distracted all day (usually)
2016-03-25T08:18:01 < ohsix> but i benefit from doing it all in like 40 minutes max :<
2016-03-25T08:19:33 < aandrew> balls
2016-03-25T08:19:43 < aandrew> the stm32 uarts don't even have the abiliyt to use rts or cts as a rs485 driver enable
2016-03-25T08:23:33 < dongs> any kikecad users?
2016-03-25T08:23:40 < aandrew> gotta do it in software, awesome.
2016-03-25T08:23:47 < aandrew> I guess I can drive it off a timer pin
2016-03-25T08:23:49 < dongs> how the fuck can it output invalid gerber
2016-03-25T08:23:50 < ohsix> i could be convinced to start it and click on things if that was good enough
2016-03-25T08:23:53 < aandrew> dongs: you? kicad?!
2016-03-25T08:23:54 < ohsix> dongs ^
2016-03-25T08:24:05 < ohsix> no idea
2016-03-25T08:25:36 < PaulFertser> dongs: does you pro software say what exactly is invalid about that gerber? gerber is a very simple format, right?
2016-03-25T08:26:17 < PaulFertser> It should just tell you what line the error is on, right?
2016-03-25T08:26:44 < PaulFertser> Or is too pro and can't expect any problems with gerbers?
2016-03-25T08:26:46 < dongs> PaulFertser: it just fails to get the format
2016-03-25T08:26:54 < dongs> im ognna see, it might be lal the d umg headers kikad adds
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2016-03-25T08:28:04 < dongs> ya it was it
2016-03-25T08:28:16 < dongs> %TF.GenerationSoftware,KiCad,Pcbnew,4.0.2-stable*%
2016-03-25T08:28:16 < dongs> %TF.CreationDate,2016-03-25T14:31:00+09:00*%
2016-03-25T08:28:19 < dongs> this trash confuses prosoft
2016-03-25T08:28:36 < dongs> cam350
2016-03-25T08:29:31 < dongs> preparing gerbers for production
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2016-03-25T08:29:48 < aandrew> fuck a duck
2016-03-25T08:30:24 < aandrew> UART4_TX has to be on wakeup or SDIO_D2. can't move SDIO_D2 and want wakeup so now I guess I have to mux that in software
2016-03-25T08:30:29 < aandrew> FPGAs are so much better at this
2016-03-25T08:30:46 < PaulFertser> aandrew: so do you like psoc line?
2016-03-25T08:30:55 < aandrew> no
2016-03-25T08:30:56 < dongs> lol psoc.
2016-03-25T08:31:04 < dongs> aandrew: why did you plan that pinout and fucked it up
2016-03-25T08:31:14 < ohsix> with the qualification that i never used them and only played with the psoc1, they were neat
2016-03-25T08:31:16 < dongs> also, UART = fail, you should beusing USARTs if you want shit it work
2016-03-25T08:31:19 < aandrew> just enough programmable I/O to be tempting but then you want to really use it and it's just not enough
2016-03-25T08:31:22 < ohsix> there's arm ones now and a lot more options
2016-03-25T08:31:26 < dongs> UART is missing all those "control signals" you want to use
2016-03-25T08:31:28 < aandrew> not to mention the UDBs are all fucking 8-bit wide
2016-03-25T08:31:38 < aandrew> dongs: I'm using 4 UARTs
2016-03-25T08:31:44 < aandrew> combo USART/UART
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2016-03-25T08:31:57 < aandrew> but that's a good point, maybe I can use UART5/6
2016-03-25T08:32:06 < dongs> only if it has 'S" in name
2016-03-25T08:32:40 < aandrew> nope can't use 5 or 6 because I'm using SD
2016-03-25T08:32:58 < dongs> are you on F1 or some other shit without cool remaps?
2016-03-25T08:33:06 < aandrew> I'm on 417
2016-03-25T08:33:13 < dongs> then you fucked up pinout
2016-03-25T08:33:19 < aandrew> not that I can see
2016-03-25T08:33:20 < dongs> cube it up0
2016-03-25T08:33:26 < dongs> ctrl+click to see where else the shit is.
2016-03-25T08:33:28 < aandrew> it is cubed up
2016-03-25T08:33:33 < aandrew> it's telling me I can't do what I need
2016-03-25T08:33:42 < dongs> you arent selecting usarts from cube left-side menu are you
2016-03-25T08:33:51 < dongs> cuz thats the newb way
2016-03-25T08:33:56 < aandrew> I am, then moving things around after
2016-03-25T08:34:01 < dongs> tht doesnt know about any alternative mappings
2016-03-25T08:34:06 < aandrew> no but I do
2016-03-25T08:34:10 < dongs> pfft.
2016-03-25T08:34:17 < aandrew> anyway let me verify the pins and put the cube file up
2016-03-25T08:34:26 < aandrew> you can tell me where I fucked up if you have the time
2016-03-25T08:36:03 < dongs> damn LAN8720A is like 35c
2016-03-25T08:36:12 < dongs> now i know what eterhet phy ill be using
2016-03-25T08:36:35 < ohsix> for what
2016-03-25T08:36:51 < dongs> INTERNET OF DILDOS
2016-03-25T08:37:13 < ohsix> didn't you do that already
2016-03-25T08:37:59 < lorenzo> dongs: where so cheap?
2016-03-25T08:38:08 < dongs> chinagirl
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2016-03-25T08:47:36 < dongs> oh nice
2016-03-25T08:47:39 < dongs> i didnt click page 2 on that jappu site
2016-03-25T08:47:43 < dongs> they even put one inside a picture frame
2016-03-25T08:47:48 < dongs> with the board and cable outside
2016-03-25T08:48:24 < ohsix> innovators
2016-03-25T08:48:31 < upgrdman> whats a good tool to sniff usb uarts in widnwos
2016-03-25T08:48:34 < upgrdman> windows*
2016-03-25T08:48:46 < upgrdman> i have wireshark but its usb sniffer is confusing as fuck
2016-03-25T08:48:48 < ohsix> what would you use in !windows, usbmon?
2016-03-25T08:48:56 < ohsix> ah yea it'd be the same thing
2016-03-25T08:49:04 < upgrdman> seems like to way to id what device is "1.21.1" or whatever gay id it is
2016-03-25T08:49:10 < ohsix> find out if wireshark can decode cdc-acm or whatever
2016-03-25T08:49:31 < ohsix> it looks like it can
2016-03-25T08:49:38 < upgrdman> i just cant even get wireshark to give me any clues about what a device is
2016-03-25T08:49:44 < ohsix> use the usbcom display filter
2016-03-25T08:49:49 < upgrdman> i have like 15 usb shits plugged into this pc
2016-03-25T08:49:51 < ohsix> o you want to know what device it is?
2016-03-25T08:50:03 < ohsix> you can go to the device manager and get pid/vid
2016-03-25T08:52:03 < upgrdman> where in dev man is the pid vid
2016-03-25T08:52:22 < dongs> properties/advanced tab
2016-03-25T08:52:23 < upgrdman> i have the device selected. properties just shows port2hub8
2016-03-25T08:52:25 < dongs> and scroll the list
2016-03-25T08:52:34 < upgrdman> there is no advanced tab
2016-03-25T08:52:56 < dongs> er 'details' tab
2016-03-25T08:53:01 < dongs> and scroll 'property' list
2016-03-25T08:53:05 < dongs> vid/pid is 2nd in it i think
2016-03-25T08:53:13 < dongs> device instance path
2016-03-25T08:53:45 < upgrdman> ok cool
2016-03-25T08:53:58 < upgrdman> how does that map to wiresharks "1.22.1" etc naming scheme
2016-03-25T08:54:14 < dongs> no fucking idea, stupid fucking opensores.
2016-03-25T09:04:17 < aandrew> nope
2016-03-25T09:04:39 < aandrew> remapped everything I could and still can't get uart4, nor can I use uart5 or usart6
2016-03-25T09:06:16 < aandrew> http://mixdown.ca/dump/breakout-stm32.ioc is the cube file if you're interested in taking a crack at it
2016-03-25T09:08:46 < dongs> fuk
2016-03-25T09:08:49 < dongs> my mxcube is too ld
2016-03-25T09:08:50 < dongs> old
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2016-03-25T09:30:56 < PaulFertser> dongs: bus topology doesn't depend on os
2016-03-25T09:31:28 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: you switch windows device manager to "topology" view and then you'll see the controller, individual ports etc.
2016-03-25T09:31:33 < PaulFertser> hierarchy
2016-03-25T09:32:47 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-03-25T09:32:52 < upgrdman> is that how wireshark ids them
2016-03-25T09:35:03 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-03-25T09:35:20 < upgrdman> still see no link between hierarchy view and how wireshark ids them
2016-03-25T09:35:26 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: most probably, yes
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2016-03-25T09:37:21 < dongs> PaulFertser: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2016-03-25T09:37:40 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: hm, or not http://desowin.org/usbpcap/
2016-03-25T09:38:05 < upgrdman> ya i found that a while ago
2016-03-25T09:38:05 < upgrdman> but
2016-03-25T09:38:19 < upgrdman> it doesnt seem to map cleanly to what wireshark shows either
2016-03-25T09:38:27 < upgrdman> like i see 1.21.2 in wireshark
2016-03-25T09:38:35 < upgrdman> but theres no 21 in my list on cmd.exe
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2016-03-25T09:41:36 < PaulFertser> Heh
2016-03-25T09:42:09 < upgrdman> brb
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2016-03-25T10:21:13 < upgrdman> wtf. some usb can adapter im using will like half-die when its plugged into my usb hub. it will still send can messages and ack messages, but it stops talking to the pc after a little while.
2016-03-25T10:21:29 < upgrdman> but plug it direct into my bro4, and it works perfect
2016-03-25T10:21:43 < upgrdman> and my usb hub is powered and usb3
2016-03-25T10:22:24 < upgrdman> how does usb manage to fail like that. like half-way and only when using a hub.
2016-03-25T10:24:09 < ohsix> slightly different timing constraints with hub in play
2016-03-25T10:24:10 < ohsix> shitsux
2016-03-25T10:25:34 < upgrdman> but like why does usb shit the bed and fail
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2016-03-25T10:25:46 < ohsix> the device probably does
2016-03-25T10:25:47 < upgrdman> why does shit keep working but badly
2016-03-25T10:26:06 < ohsix> the device will auto do acks and sends can happen at any time
2016-03-25T10:26:33 < upgrdman> no i mean i can send a can message to the usb can adapter, it and it put it on the can bus
2016-03-25T10:26:54 < ohsix> how are the endpoints set up
2016-03-25T10:26:54 < upgrdman> bus the pc never receives any feedback from the usb can adapter, after some random length of time
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2016-03-25T10:27:17 < upgrdman> one endpoint is the pc with a usb can adapter
2016-03-25T10:27:26 < upgrdman> the other endpoint is a microcontroller + can transceiver
2016-03-25T10:28:15 < upgrdman> the two endpoints are connected with like 300mm of china's best rainbow wire
2016-03-25T10:29:19 < PaulFertser> Buggy firmware of the adapter itself probably.
2016-03-25T10:29:53 < upgrdman> ok buy why would not using a hub mask that buggy firmware
2016-03-25T10:30:08  * upgrdman looks at the usb can adapter's pcb
2016-03-25T10:30:23 < upgrdman> > pic18f
2016-03-25T10:30:33 < upgrdman> lolwut
2016-03-25T10:30:45 < ohsix> is it a car thing
2016-03-25T10:30:50 < upgrdman> no
2016-03-25T10:30:52 < ohsix> they all clone that one can bus adapter
2016-03-25T10:30:53 < ohsix> oic
2016-03-25T10:31:07 < upgrdman> no im using some open sauce adapter
2016-03-25T10:31:10 < upgrdman> from .de
2016-03-25T10:31:18 < ohsix> the elmsomethingosomething guy, it's not uncommon to sell pics as preprogrammed do-a-thing chpi
2016-03-25T10:31:41 < upgrdman> ya i have an elm32 obdii adapter
2016-03-25T10:31:47 < upgrdman> but this is a different thing
2016-03-25T10:36:49 < PaulFertser> elm327
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2016-03-25T11:02:14 < ohsix> dongs: ReadError posted something old gooooooo
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2016-03-25T11:07:26 < upgrdman> spent several hours fucking with a usb can adapter, only to realize the fix to my problem was to not plug it into a hub but go direct
2016-03-25T11:08:10 < ohsix> balls direct
2016-03-25T11:08:42 < ohsix> upgrdman: 2bad it is a pic you could probably investigate problems related to extra rtt orwatever otherwise
2016-03-25T11:09:16 < ohsix> *from the datasheet of something more notsoftware on a microcontroller
2016-03-25T11:09:18 < upgrdman> well im guessing the pic has usb ip in hardware
2016-03-25T11:09:30 < upgrdman> so not sure if it would be fixable
2016-03-25T11:11:58 < upgrdman> also anyone in here familiar with the lpc-link2? semihosted printf() is slow as fuck. feels like 9600 uart. is this something tweakable, or just take-it-or-leave-it?
2016-03-25T11:20:07 < jpa-> anything that makes the semihosting calls go to pc over usb will be very slow
2016-03-25T11:20:29 < jpa-> not sure if there are any adapters that would do semihosting on the debugging probe hardware; maybe bmp?
2016-03-25T11:20:45 < ohsix> it's not the usb part is it
2016-03-25T11:20:56 < jpa-> it's the usb latency
2016-03-25T11:20:57 < ohsix> might be remembering dumb stuff about ANGEL
2016-03-25T11:21:00 < ohsix> o
2016-03-25T11:21:16 < jpa-> especially if you use a printf or similar that makes semihosting call for each individual character
2016-03-25T11:22:35 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: it's tweakable
2016-03-25T11:22:37 < upgrdman> jpa-, but a usb uart is so much faster
2016-03-25T11:22:45 < PaulFertser> jpa-: no printf doesn't
2016-03-25T11:22:58 < jpa-> PaulFertser: atleast tinyprintf does
2016-03-25T11:23:00 < PaulFertser> semihosting call is made per \n by default
2016-03-25T11:23:02 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, cool. what should i google.
2016-03-25T11:23:03 < PaulFertser> In newlib
2016-03-25T11:23:13 < jpa-> *a* printf, yeah, newlib buffers by default i think (not sure about nano)
2016-03-25T11:23:38 < jpa-> upgrdman: usb uart has fifo, semihosting does not
2016-03-25T11:23:47 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: do setvbuf(stdout, NULL, _IOFBF, BUFSIZ); somewhere early in main(), then fflush(stdout) when you really need it.
2016-03-25T11:23:55 < PaulFertser> jpa-: newlib-nano too
2016-03-25T11:24:00 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, thx!
2016-03-25T11:24:50 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: I think lpc-link2 has jlink compatible firmware, probably that means that jlink swo will work too (swo is supported in openocd for jlink and stlink currently).
2016-03-25T11:25:11 < upgrdman> k
2016-03-25T11:25:49 < jpa-> https://answers.launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded/+question/246038   newlib nano might ignore setvbuf() though
2016-03-25T11:25:55 < jpa-> depending on config opts
2016-03-25T11:26:06 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: but if you use newlib and you do not need data to appear too often, you can buffer with setvbuf and flush as needed.
2016-03-25T11:26:20 < PaulFertser> jpa-: hm, at least the version I used from GAE buffered.
2016-03-25T11:26:39 < jpa-> yeah, ok
2016-03-25T11:26:48 < PaulFertser> Probably they changed it
2016-03-25T11:27:06 < jpa-> probably they give it config options to buffer
2016-03-25T11:27:27 < PaulFertser> It was honouring setvbuf on 4_7-2013q1-20130313 for me.
2016-03-25T11:27:28 < ohsix> i thought semihosting stuff all underlied a single char read/write; even if buffered somewhere it ends up shuffling through one at a time
2016-03-25T11:27:37 < PaulFertser> ohsix: nope
2016-03-25T11:27:41 < jpa-> ohsix: nope
2016-03-25T11:28:18 < ohsix> might be still thinking ANGEL on earlier arm  poop
2016-03-25T11:28:22 < PaulFertser> ohsix: it halts on breakpoint, the debugger sees the code, mem address and count, reads out all the bytes in one go (that's fast enough), resumes. Halting / resuming is what kinda makes it slow.
2016-03-25T11:28:58 < PaulFertser> (actually it also sees a file descriptor too, semihosting allows you to manipulate any host file with your firmware running on target board)
2016-03-25T11:29:39 < ohsix> right
2016-03-25T11:29:43 < ohsix> refreshing my knowledge
2016-03-25T11:30:03 < ohsix> i looked at using it for dealing with samples on host while jerking around with something
2016-03-25T11:33:34 < ohsix> https://sourceware.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=newlib-cygwin.git;a=blob;f=libgloss/arm/swi.h;h=b7fa243f86d32666a596da30aa671e1446cbebf1;hb=HEAD#l47
2016-03-25T11:33:39 < ohsix> this was the poop i was thinking of
2016-03-25T11:33:53 < ohsix> Write is smarter huh?
2016-03-25T11:38:32 < PaulFertser> ohsix: WriteC can write multiple bytes
2016-03-25T11:39:08 < PaulFertser> Or Write, I do not remember
2016-03-25T11:39:12 < ohsix> weird
2016-03-25T11:39:14 < ohsix> Write0 does
2016-03-25T11:39:21 < ohsix> WriteC does one
2016-03-25T11:39:34 < ohsix> i wonder how i missed seeing Write0 when i was looking at this stuff
2016-03-25T11:39:43 < ohsix> Write0 implies C strings etc etc
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2016-03-25T11:41:23 < ohsix> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0040d/Bcedijji.html
2016-03-25T11:42:44 < ohsix> arm sent me a dvd with all of their web stuff on it in pdfs, sure would like to get a new one
2016-03-25T11:42:47 < ohsix> +many years ago
2016-03-25T11:42:50 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol
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2016-03-25T11:46:48 < ohsix> ah oooh i think i'm remembering; there was more than one debug channel
2016-03-25T11:47:02 < ohsix> you could have a bunch, the first 2 were text and would be shown in a debugger
2016-03-25T11:47:07 < ohsix> but the rest could be used for trace
2016-03-25T11:48:57 < ohsix> huhu was watching a presentation the other day where the guy sent $ip samples and other performance stuff over the midi port he had, kind of a neat trick
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2016-03-25T11:56:45 < dongs> only neat if youre into assburgering
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2016-03-25T13:28:41 < dongs> just fucking hit winkey-d again by accident
2016-03-25T13:28:48 < dongs> one of these days i will write an app to block it
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2016-03-25T13:29:27 < dongs> you cant
2016-03-25T13:29:39 < dongs> not if you proceeded to do the intended action after hitting win-d
2016-03-25T13:29:41 < dongs> which is win-e
2016-03-25T13:29:54 < dongs> xplorer.
2016-03-25T13:30:06 < dongs> also win-d loses all the z-order info
2016-03-25T13:30:14 < dongs> basically my entire organized desktop becomes fucked
2016-03-25T13:45:51 < dongs> only fags take showers
2016-03-25T13:45:58 < dongs> real pros do bath
2016-03-25T13:48:30 < dongs> you are very wrong
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2016-03-25T14:02:33 < englishman> baths are for emos
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2016-03-25T14:04:40 < englishman> you wouldn't slit your wrists in a shower
2016-03-25T14:09:31 < Fleck> soo, noone had problems with RTC-RPLL/H regs after reset?
2016-03-25T14:09:43 < dongs> whats the "problem"?
2016-03-25T14:29:21 < FatalNIX> You know I've always been told that arm assembly is beatiful, and the more I use it, the more I hate it compared to something primative like 6502 assembly lol
2016-03-25T14:30:12 < FatalNIX> I actally haven't written assembly on a PIC before
2016-03-25T14:30:17 < FatalNIX> I avoid PICs
2016-03-25T14:31:53 < FatalNIX> also I didn't look very hard, but I didn't notice an instruction in arm for branching with link and pushing LR onto the stack at the same time
2016-03-25T14:32:04 < FatalNIX> just thought that was weird
2016-03-25T14:32:11 < FatalNIX> I could be blind
2016-03-25T14:33:48 < FatalNIX> on the 6502 it all happens in the same instuction
2016-03-25T14:33:48 < FatalNIX> jsr will push the PC onto the stack first
2016-03-25T14:34:07 < Fleck> on F103 RTC->PRLL gets reset after power cycle, vbat is ok, in the same time - BKP->RTCCR keeps value also RTC->CNT does and even keeps counting, PRLL and PRLH are reset to RESET values... as I need presacler a bit different than RESET value, this messes everything up :/
2016-03-25T14:34:22 < FatalNIX> just feels weird to have to waste an instruction to do it manually after and before beginning and ending a subroutine
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2016-03-25T14:37:16 < BrainDamage> the paged memory in pic gives me eye cancer
2016-03-25T14:39:41 < FatalNIX> lol
2016-03-25T14:39:55 < FatalNIX> maybe we should do everything in redcode
2016-03-25T14:39:59 < FatalNIX> :>
2016-03-25T14:40:12  * FatalNIX wonders if anyone will even get that reference
2016-03-25T14:41:10 < BrainDamage> there's always the mumps: http://thedailywtf.com/articles/A_Case_of_the_MUMPS
2016-03-25T14:42:41 < FatalNIX> lol..
2016-03-25T14:42:53 < FatalNIX> At first I thought there was another mumps otbreak
2016-03-25T14:42:56 < FatalNIX> outbreak*
2016-03-25T14:45:38 < dongs> sadly paged shit is used by a lot of 8051 crap t oo
2016-03-25T14:46:05 < dongs> but im gonna guess not as aids as pic.
2016-03-25T14:46:50 < FatalNIX> paging itself isn't bad
2016-03-25T14:46:50 < FatalNIX> In fact it's kind of nicer than segmentation really
2016-03-25T14:48:32 < BrainDamage> paging _is_ a form segmentation
2016-03-25T14:48:48 < dongs> segregation
2016-03-25T14:48:55 < dongs> racist mcus
2016-03-25T14:49:35 < FatalNIX> lol
2016-03-25T14:49:53 < FatalNIX> BrainDamage: you're right, but I was making fun of the old x86 segmentation features
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2016-03-25T15:54:31 < FatalNIX> ...
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2016-03-25T16:11:38 < dongs> BREAKING: U.S. special forces conduct raid, kill ISIS' deputy leader Abu Ala al-Afri, also known as Abd al-Rahman Mustafa al-Qaduli. al-Qaduli is ISIS' number-two, second only to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. U.S. Secretary of Defense and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to hold a press briefing shortly.
2016-03-25T16:12:05 < dongs> he should be killed just for having that long fuckup of a name
2016-03-25T16:14:19 < dongs> http://boingboing.net/2016/03/24/handgun-looks-like-a-smartphon.html fucking americans
2016-03-25T16:15:49 < dongs> Laurenceb: http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?195546-Ebola-Virus
2016-03-25T16:18:16 < mitrax> wow
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2016-03-25T16:20:44 < dongs> he also made some pretty pro AIDS renderings http://kashpersky.com/hr/HIV_wide.jpg
2016-03-25T16:21:15 < mitrax> truely amazin
2016-03-25T16:21:18 < mitrax> amazing
2016-03-25T16:23:50 < kakimir> I need to check myself someday if I have aids
2016-03-25T16:23:58 < kakimir> so that I know
2016-03-25T16:24:03 < dongs> why would you have it
2016-03-25T16:24:05 < dongs> you never leave your basement
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2016-03-25T16:27:24 < kakimir> but when I actually do things get weird
2016-03-25T16:28:18 < mitrax> weird as in?
2016-03-25T16:28:33 < mitrax> you wake up the next day with a condom hanging from your ass?
2016-03-25T16:29:32 < Thorn> turns out it6720 is the same thing as bk precision 9110
2016-03-25T16:29:41 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUwL7MOSLsc
2016-03-25T16:31:10 < Thorn> which is $300+
2016-03-25T16:33:02 < dongs> BREAKING: Blast heard in Brussels, details unclear; an anti-terrorist raid is reportedly ongoing, as crowds gather to pay respect after the recent attacks
2016-03-25T16:36:03 < kakimir> url
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2016-03-25T17:03:10 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Load-Firmware-onto-newly-Manufactured/
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2016-03-25T17:43:48 < kakimir> is there usually some macro defined for begin address of RAM or so?
2016-03-25T17:44:26 < Laurenceb_> why would you be using one?
2016-03-25T17:45:19 < kakimir> I want to do this SPI command I can probe my ram with
2016-03-25T17:45:46 < kakimir> directly gather data from ram without more handlers to it
2016-03-25T17:46:01 < kakimir> so I need to have begin address and range
2016-03-25T17:50:02 < PaulFertser> kakimir: global symbol _sdata -- start, _estack --end
2016-03-25T17:56:25 < kakimir> thanks
2016-03-25T18:02:17 < PaulFertser> kakimir: check your ld script if unsure. You need to define those as extern yourself if you want to have them available in your C code of course.
2016-03-25T18:03:00 < kakimir> stack means ram?
2016-03-25T18:03:17 < kakimir> extern - where?
2016-03-25T18:03:23 < kakimir> :)
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2016-03-25T18:08:03 < PaulFertser> kakimir: whereever you need it.
2016-03-25T18:14:25 < kakimir> where are those global symbols defined?
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2016-03-25T18:16:05 < PaulFertser> kakimir: in the ld script
2016-03-25T18:16:18 < Laurenceb_> hopefully
2016-03-25T18:16:38 < Laurenceb_> unless your c&p mess of a project got screwed up :D
2016-03-25T18:17:32 < kakimir> so I extern uint32_t _sdata;
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2016-03-25T18:22:40 < FatalNIX> whee
2016-03-25T18:23:19 < kakimir> * *_sdata
2016-03-25T18:23:23 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/USmlTW.jpg
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2016-03-25T18:39:40 < PaulFertser> kakimir: yep
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2016-03-25T19:14:58 < mitrax> gah -fno-exceptions doesn't seem to work
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2016-03-25T19:39:53 < Laurenceb_> There was a young chatbot called Tay, On Twitter with 4chan did play, They messed with her brain, She's trolled, that is plain! And she barely lasted a day.
2016-03-25T19:40:03 < Laurenceb_> very clvr
2016-03-25T19:48:26 < Laurenceb_> found the guy who moderates the emdrive forum https://www.linkedin.com/in/joserodal
2016-03-25T19:48:40 < Laurenceb_> doesnt look like an idiot at all... very odd
2016-03-25T19:49:46 < BrainDamage> they are chasing an impossible dream, but they could still develop or discover something interestin anyway
2016-03-25T19:50:01 < BrainDamage> waveguide analysis tools, mathematical methods, etc
2016-03-25T19:50:39 < Laurenceb_> yeah
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2016-03-25T20:01:40 < Sync> well, even educated people can be idiots
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2016-03-25T22:22:56 < jadew> Laurenceb, just make sure you use a incognito window when visiting random linkedin accounts
2016-03-25T22:23:24 < jadew> unless you want to end up with them in your network
2016-03-25T22:28:31 < jadew> I wouldn't mind some extra contacts tho, my linkedin profile is depressing
2016-03-25T22:28:44 < jadew> 18 contacts
2016-03-25T22:28:57 < jadew> more than I have on facebook I think
2016-03-25T22:29:59 < scrts> lol
2016-03-25T22:30:06 < scrts> you're really social
2016-03-25T22:30:23 < jadew> I know
2016-03-25T22:33:19  * karlp doesn't even have a linkedin account
2016-03-25T22:33:38 < Steffanx> amature.
2016-03-25T22:33:43 < karlp> so, anyone have any opinions on the scammyness of the "canvio ready" vs the "canvio basics" ? http://www.toshiba.eu/hard-drives/portable/
2016-03-25T22:34:03 < karlp> they're both claiming "usb 3.0" but "high speed usb 3" vs "super speed usb 3" sounds like it's really usb 2 vs usb 3.
2016-03-25T22:34:11 < karlp> which is a pretty major fucking difference.
2016-03-25T22:34:12 < jadew> karlp, you should get one and become my friend
2016-03-25T22:34:45 < jadew> and back my skills cuz most of the people I work with ha no idea wtf I do
2016-03-25T22:34:57 < karlp> reviews on line for the canvio basics talk about it as "usb 3" as in "faster then usb2" but.... pretty fucking dubious...
2016-03-25T22:34:58 < jadew> *have
2016-03-25T22:35:32 < karlp> heh, your ##hashSuperTechMasters32 profile is to be considered as serious professional references? ;)
2016-03-25T22:35:46 < Steffanx> beign friends with some weird romanian.. no thanks jadew :P
2016-03-25T22:35:54 < jadew> haha
2016-03-25T22:36:04 < jadew> I have the same attitude lol
2016-03-25T22:36:44 < jadew> I got a few random requests, one was from a romanian I don't know
2016-03-25T22:36:53 < Steffanx> Except for: it looks nice i have no opinion karlp
2016-03-25T22:36:55 < jadew> don't know how he found my account
2016-03-25T22:37:11 < Steffanx> ( the alu ones at least )
2016-03-25T22:37:36 < jadew> karlp, odds are that whatever speed the controller can do, the HDD can barely keep up
2016-03-25T22:38:26 < jadew> no mention of RPM
2016-03-25T22:38:31 < jadew> it's a HDD, right?
2016-03-25T22:38:36 < jadew> (not SSD)
2016-03-25T22:40:55 < karlp> jadew: umm, usb2 drives were often limted by usb2, not by the drive...
2016-03-25T22:41:10 < jadew> yeah, but this one says USB3, compatible with USB2
2016-03-25T22:41:17 < jadew> so I guess it offers USB3 speeds
2016-03-25T22:42:24 < Steffanx> funny, you buy a hdd and get 10 GB cloud storage?
2016-03-25T22:42:59 < jadew> Steffanx, depending on the period and the performance/API it might not be worth it
2016-03-25T22:43:07 < jadew> google cloud storage or AWS is quite cheap
2016-03-25T22:43:53 < jadew> google's cloud storage is better
2016-03-25T22:44:06 < jadew> (faster upload)
2016-03-25T22:44:33 < jadew> AWS has gone from bad to worse
2016-03-25T22:47:31 < Steffanx> karlp, the datasheet of the basics says its superspeed => 5GB/s
2016-03-25T22:47:34 < Steffanx> *Gb
2016-03-25T22:47:52 < jadew> that's more than the HDD can handle
2016-03-25T22:49:25 < Steffanx> oh ds also says high speed :)
2016-03-25T22:49:48 < jadew> yeah, in the sense that it supports USB2.0, no?
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2016-03-25T22:52:32 < Steffanx> no clue what toshiba is up to
2016-03-25T23:05:39 < ohsix> backblaze has b2 now
2016-03-25T23:13:56 < Steffanx> Never heard of them before.
2016-03-25T23:14:46 < Steffanx> Also i allergic to companies that have "... in the News" with some big websites on their homepage
2016-03-25T23:16:24 < ohsix> they do backup stuff but recently rolled out a cdn cloud storage thing, they're pretty legit
2016-03-25T23:16:36 < ohsix> not aws/google scale (yet, if ever) but a place to stash stuff
2016-03-25T23:16:56 < Steffanx> *i'm
2016-03-25T23:17:26 < ohsix> for the backup stuff it's like 5$/mo for unlimited storage or something, they make it up on copying disks and doing other things for faster restores
2016-03-25T23:19:23 < kakimir> do you know any code for mcu, nice hack or so to provide SPI connection for computer?
2016-03-25T23:19:52 < ohsix> flyback: you connect them with some sort of control loop, dll/pll; the refresh rate of the screen is one clock and the music is another, they both progress at a given rate
2016-03-25T23:20:36 < kakimir> flyback: I need to test my interface
2016-03-25T23:20:39 < kakimir> hey
2016-03-25T23:21:12 < kakimir> paralller port... I may actually have one
2016-03-25T23:21:33 < kakimir> I have level converters
2016-03-25T23:21:48 < kakimir> but spi is one direction per line so
2016-03-25T23:21:51 < kakimir> buffers it is
2016-03-25T23:22:07 < Steffanx> you can also hack something together with some discovery you have? :)
2016-03-25T23:22:22 < Steffanx> or no stm32 discoveries for kakimir?
2016-03-25T23:23:08 < kakimir> no
2016-03-25T23:23:19 < kakimir> I just realized I have fukken raspbi
2016-03-25T23:23:40 < kakimir> but I dont want to play with raspbi it suck
2016-03-25T23:24:19 < kakimir> it's bellow poor mans methods.. some 2003 laptop easily wins it at everything
2016-03-25T23:24:42 < Steffanx> it's bellow poor mans methods ..
2016-03-25T23:25:00 < Steffanx> Yeah, you better fuck around with a parallel port.
2016-03-25T23:25:29 < kakimir> hay hay hay
2016-03-25T23:25:43 < kakimir> isn't avrasp some SPI device?
2016-03-25T23:26:13 < Steffanx> it is, but its very unlikey you can do "normal"spi with it.
2016-03-25T23:26:18 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-25T23:26:54 < Steffanx> also it lacks sma connectors
2016-03-25T23:27:38 < Steffanx> no pirate bus is some box somewhere in your room kakimir?
2016-03-25T23:27:57 < ohsix> hook up some buttons and play them like an spi piano
2016-03-25T23:28:34 < Steffanx> ohsix is into music mode?
2016-03-25T23:29:11 < ohsix> hur, maybe but i didn't realize i might have said that until you mentioned it
2016-03-25T23:29:19 < ohsix> was thinking of front panel switch entry on old minicomputers
2016-03-25T23:30:46 < kakimir> Steffanx: there is timeout period
2016-03-25T23:31:06 < kakimir> and I dont than spi periph goes that slow I need it to
2016-03-25T23:31:30 < kakimir> and it's not 19-70's anyway
2016-03-25T23:32:35 < kakimir> can you really get better computer for debug server than some 2003 laptop
2016-03-25T23:32:44 < kakimir> it even has paraller port to it
2016-03-25T23:35:00 < kakimir> is there some nice lunix tools for manually sending stuff on spi?
2016-03-25T23:37:59 < kakimir> some 90's vintage
2016-03-25T23:40:40 < kakimir> I may have
2016-03-25T23:40:42 < kakimir> some
2016-03-25T23:40:44 < kakimir> around
2016-03-25T23:40:56 < kakimir> but don't you need some custom driver and shiet?
2016-03-25T23:41:32 < kakimir> how about SPI ?
2016-03-25T23:42:11 < kakimir> can I btw use rs232 ass some SPI?
2016-03-25T23:42:16 < kakimir> just refunction the lines
2016-03-25T23:42:37 < Thorn> http://www.ftdichip.com/FT-X.htm
2016-03-25T23:42:40 < ds2> just do ACM
2016-03-25T23:43:24 < kakimir> I'm getting confused
2016-03-25T23:44:48 < kakimir> was there some reason for not using paraller port?
2016-03-25T23:44:59 < ohsix> those uh, salae 'logic analyzer' clones on ebay are just fx2s, you can do fast io with them and there are random firmwares on the internet you can put on them
2016-03-25T23:45:09 < ohsix> primary reason: not having one
2016-03-25T23:45:13 < ohsix> secondary reason: very slow
2016-03-25T23:45:42 < ohsix> http://www.cypress.com/documentation/application-notes-obsolete/an67442-spi-implementation-using-serialmode-0-ez-usb-fx2lp
2016-03-25T23:45:47 < kakimir> I have
2016-03-25T23:46:35 < ohsix> http://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/167247/mcu123_saleae_logic_clone_pcb_top.jpg
2016-03-25T23:46:49 < ohsix> they are handy even if you don't get one just to do what you're doing now
2016-03-25T23:47:16 < ohsix> there's a little 8051 on them and you can basically just blast bits in and out of all the pins
2016-03-25T23:47:21 < kakimir> is paraller port really slow?
2016-03-25T23:47:43 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-25T23:47:49 < kakimir> didn't it get faster and faster all the time?
2016-03-25T23:47:58 < kakimir> like serial port
2016-03-25T23:48:06 < ohsix> if it's a real one it's accessed with io commands on the bus, and it has to slew -/+ 12v or something voltages
2016-03-25T23:48:47 < ohsix> usb ones can be faster cuz of usb and the lower voltages, but it's still not 'designed' to be super fast
2016-03-25T23:49:20 < kakimir> oh that 12volt thing :/
2016-03-25T23:50:03 < ds2> parallel port is just a latch on the 8MHz ISA bus
2016-03-25T23:51:05 < kakimir> there are some ISA bus hobbiest out there
2016-03-25T23:51:11 < kakimir> I read an article
2016-03-25T23:51:16 < ohsix> was source currents or anything specified anywhere or was it just 'use part X' and then a de-facto limit from that part
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2016-03-25T23:53:53 < kakimir> first google search in fx2 spi doesn't show any obivious ways
2016-03-25T23:53:54 < ohsix> jadew: now if i could just get windows to remember passwords for network mounts :<
2016-03-25T23:54:08 < jadew> ohsix, you can
2016-03-25T23:54:15 < jadew> it should give you the option when you map it
2016-03-25T23:54:22 < kakimir> Application notes on "SPI Implementation Using SerialMode"
2016-03-25T23:54:37 < kakimir> I'm not like... doing my implementation on stuff
2016-03-25T23:55:12 < ohsix> jadew: yea it doesn't work :p i went through all the 'vault' ui and stuff to make sure everything looked right too
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2016-03-25T23:55:48 < ohsix> kakimir: that's just background on doing it with the fx2, people have already done the work and you'd just flash it
2016-03-25T23:56:06 < jadew> ohsix, weird, I never had issues with this
2016-03-25T23:56:13 < kakimir> is it official flash or 3rd party?
2016-03-25T23:56:16 < jadew> are you trying to login with different accounts on the same server?
2016-03-25T23:56:43 < ohsix> jadew: different accounts on different servers, i'm not too interested in really finding out, it's not that annoying
2016-03-25T23:57:14 < ohsix> cursory look saw people having the same problem, and again nothing working, yadda yadda
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2016-03-26T00:04:17 < Laurenceb_> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtwidgets-widgets-styles-example.html
2016-03-26T00:04:29 < Laurenceb_> I think they took the "style" too seriously
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2016-03-26T00:05:40 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-26T00:05:59 < ohsix> there was actually a heyday for those bitmapped interfaces, mostly due to osx i think
2016-03-26T00:06:24 < ohsix> cute calling it noreweigan wood, also a beatles song
2016-03-26T00:07:53 < Laurenceb_> I'm trying implement "progressbar" style semi shaded buttons
2016-03-26T00:08:04 < Laurenceb_> dunno if this is possible using GradientStop
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2016-03-26T00:09:32 < ohsix> you probably shouldn't do any styling if it doesn't look right with the themes people will use D:
2016-03-26T00:09:50 < Laurenceb_> well it already looks a bit odd
2016-03-26T00:10:06 < Laurenceb_> but it needs to be simple to use in the field
2016-03-26T00:10:14 < ohsix> visualbasic let people change control colors really easily and it did not end well
2016-03-26T00:10:19 < Laurenceb_> hehe
2016-03-26T00:10:35 < Laurenceb_> well my buttons are colour coded to the hardware they control
2016-03-26T00:11:40 < kakimir> is there such "terminal" program for SPI?
2016-03-26T00:11:50 < kakimir> or is it all spi api?
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2016-03-26T00:12:11 < kakimir> lunix host
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2016-03-26T00:14:21 < kakimir> google is seriously playing a joke on me
2016-03-26T00:15:30 < kakimir> youtube gives baby diapers
2016-03-26T00:15:36 < kakimir> ads
2016-03-26T00:17:12 < kakimir> I don't even wanna know
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2016-03-26T00:18:24 < kakimir> concidering their algorithms are so highly accurate they know everything just by looking few pieces of information you give them
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2016-03-26T00:30:02 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2dXWpMSXdk
2016-03-26T00:31:05 < kakimir> such a good life
2016-03-26T00:31:33 < kakimir> stalling
2016-03-26T00:32:18 < kakimir> I need to make simple SPI test master from fx2 board
2016-03-26T00:33:16 < Thorn> crt: looks like it6720 is the oem version of bk precision 9110
2016-03-26T00:34:55 < kakimir> just eclipse man
2016-03-26T00:35:07 < kakimir> and open tools
2016-03-26T00:38:04 < kakimir> what is so good about keil?
2016-03-26T00:38:20 < ohsix> you install it and then you use it
2016-03-26T00:38:46 < ohsix> openocd/linkerscripts/everything else is doable but jeeze is figuring out how to do it the first go ap ain in the balls
2016-03-26T00:39:56 < kakimir> AP ?
2016-03-26T00:40:09 < ohsix> ap ain
2016-03-26T00:40:33 < ohsix> synergy sucks bad, sorry; spaces don't go in the right place occasionally and letters are even translocated, it's real shit
2016-03-26T00:41:49 < kakimir> that is the logic I see
2016-03-26T00:42:00 < kakimir> also if corporation then moneyaintathing
2016-03-26T00:42:03 < ohsix> yea man i have a hundred seats for my medium to large sized embedded systems business
2016-03-26T00:42:07 < kakimir> do not support open shiet
2016-03-26T00:42:24 < ohsix> innuendo?
2016-03-26T00:44:22 < ohsix> http://pimg.tradeindia.com/01535614/b/1/PVC-Water-Hand-Pump.jpg ?
2016-03-26T00:44:38 < ohsix> http://www.top-pumps.com/pro/20110207065306.jpg ?
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2016-03-26T00:45:38 < ohsix> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e0/fd/5c/e0fd5c146681a88fe290295519d5f8ae.jpg
2016-03-26T00:47:30 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-26T00:47:38 < ohsix> i could do that all day, but i'll do something else instead
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2016-03-26T00:48:59 < kakimir> why there is a pic of Conan O'Brian?
2016-03-26T00:49:52 < ohsix> he's pumping
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2016-03-26T00:52:17 < ohsix> heh man you don't realize how mostly commercial messaging twitter is until you search for random words
2016-03-26T00:52:30 < ohsix> 80% promotional tweets or automated posts
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2016-03-26T02:05:57 < ds2> j #beagle-mentors
2016-03-26T02:06:00 < ds2> blah
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2016-03-26T02:44:02 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk744X_hlcI daily windtunnel
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2016-03-26T03:07:53 < jadew> found an issue in windows that can't be worked around...
2016-03-26T03:08:07 < jadew> well, I can do it in a different way, but I can't work around it
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2016-03-26T03:09:55 < ohsix> what is it
2016-03-26T03:10:02 < jadew> compiling a test program now
2016-03-26T03:10:36 < jadew> lol... it doesn't show up in the screenshots
2016-03-26T03:10:59 < jadew> I'm making a custom shaped window
2016-03-26T03:11:10 < jadew> and on my monitor that doesn't run on a native resolution
2016-03-26T03:11:56 < ohsix> using window regions?
2016-03-26T03:11:59 < jadew> it ends up with physical pixels that are neither in nor out (smaller than a pixel at my current resolution)
2016-03-26T03:12:01 < jadew> yeah
2016-03-26T03:12:24 < ohsix> that's old world apocrypha, even microsoft might not have defined what is supposed to happen
2016-03-26T03:12:26 < jadew> so you end up with a dark frame around the window
2016-03-26T03:13:07 < jadew> I wonder if there even is a fix for this...
2016-03-26T03:13:09 < ohsix> it's probably something the driver can still mess up too, if it accelerates regions; they might have dumped that all in vista/wddm tho
2016-03-26T03:13:13 < jadew> nothing can touch those pixels
2016-03-26T03:13:26 < jadew> true, I considered that too
2016-03-26T03:14:34 < jadew> not really sure what my choices are
2016-03-26T03:14:44 < ohsix> good luck ololol; been putting off stuff i need to do for days now
2016-03-26T03:15:18 < jadew> I guess I'll have to do it differently just to avoid this issue
2016-03-26T03:15:45 < jadew> would be interesting to see what nvidia has to say about this
2016-03-26T03:16:05 < jadew> it's most likely their issue
2016-03-26T03:16:07 < jadew> AH!
2016-03-26T03:16:09 < jadew> I had an idea
2016-03-26T03:16:19 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/pbainzJ.jpg
2016-03-26T03:16:30 < ohsix> isn't there something new you can use other than window regions?
2016-03-26T03:16:42 < ohsix> with uhh direct2d or the new compositing stuff that came with xpf
2016-03-26T03:16:56 < jadew> I'm targetting windows xp
2016-03-26T03:17:02 < jadew> & up
2016-03-26T03:17:06 < ohsix> ah
2016-03-26T03:17:22 < ohsix> wpf not xpf; you could install it on xp, might have been .net only
2016-03-26T03:17:30 < ohsix> now xp is dead you might not be able to get the installers, shrug
2016-03-26T03:17:31 < jadew> yeah, it's .net only
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2016-03-26T03:17:49 < jadew> and if I went for wpf, then my efforts for the last month would have been in vain
2016-03-26T03:18:18 < jadew> I got back to an old project of mine and wrote a docking framework for WTL, from scratch
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2016-03-26T03:20:22 < jadew> it's the video drivers
2016-03-26T03:20:28 < jadew> I had GPU scaling on
2016-03-26T03:20:32 < jadew> and that's what's causing it
2016-03-26T03:20:43 < jadew> if the scaling is done by the display, it works as expected
2016-03-26T03:21:08 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-26T03:21:18 < jadew> I suppose I should just file a bug report with nVidia and leave it like it is
2016-03-26T03:23:14 < jadew> funny, after I switched to display scaling and then back to GPU scaling, it works fine
2016-03-26T03:42:26 < ReadError> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/25/hacker-takes-credit-colleges-investigate-anti-semi/?page=1
2016-03-26T03:42:30 < ReadError> ole weev back at it
2016-03-26T03:43:15 < ohsix> did he just find out about scour
2016-03-26T03:43:18 < ohsix> don't tell him about shodan
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2016-03-26T03:43:31 < ReadError> bets on how long before hes back in jail?
2016-03-26T03:43:46 < ohsix> no idea
2016-03-26T03:43:58 < ohsix> i think the backstop being nazi paraphanelia might keep him from being directly prosecuted
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2016-03-26T03:45:18 < ReadError> hm?
2016-03-26T03:45:35 < ohsix> the things hep rinted
2016-03-26T03:47:06 < ReadError> He claims to have within minutes identified roughly 29,000 printers that were connected to the Internet and could be exploited through an open port, then automated a procedure that asked each vulnerable machine to print the Daily Stormer ad.
2016-03-26T03:47:14 < ReadError> within minutes....29k
2016-03-26T03:47:16 < ReadError> gtfo
2016-03-26T03:48:21 < ohsix> that's not hard to do
2016-03-26T03:48:32 < ohsix> i think weev thinks he's doing something good by pointing it out
2016-03-26T03:48:46 < ohsix> but like i said it sounds like he just found scour/shodan and was doing something stupid
2016-03-26T03:49:08 < ReadError> I just think the 29k and minutes part is BS
2016-03-26T03:50:25 < ohsix> yea i got that
2016-03-26T03:50:27 < ohsix> it's probably not
2016-03-26T03:51:11 < ReadError> unless he had a botnet
2016-03-26T03:51:17 < ohsix> none of that shit is 'internet of things' either
2016-03-26T03:51:21 < ohsix> he does, it's called amazon
2016-03-26T03:51:23 < ReadError> lets say theres 3 printers per /24
2016-03-26T03:51:34 < ohsix> you could probably do it in a few minutes from my home connection
2016-03-26T03:51:42 < ReadError> thats a lot of scanning quickly
2016-03-26T03:51:52 < ohsix> you don't scan and do stuff at the same time
2016-03-26T03:51:58 < ohsix> you scan EVERYTHING and then look at the results
2016-03-26T03:52:06 < ohsix> then do something against a subset of the scan results
2016-03-26T03:55:00 < ohsix> extrapolating it to 'internet of things' is just trying to earn credit in the area in the press i think
2016-03-26T03:55:11 < ohsix> cuz these printers are not 'internet of things', they're literally printers
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2016-03-26T03:56:42 < ohsix> scanning the internet doesn't take that long either :<
2016-03-26T03:56:59 < Laurenceb_> did someone say weev
2016-03-26T03:57:01 < ohsix> i've got enough bandwidth at home now to do it in a few days
2016-03-26T03:57:23 < Laurenceb_> lol I used to be able to see all NHS hospital printers
2016-03-26T03:57:35 < Laurenceb_> probably still can with a bit of gateway hacking
2016-03-26T03:57:41 < ohsix> dongs: https://blog.adafruit.com/2016/03/25/gigadevice-cortex-m3-weekend-die-shot/
2016-03-26T03:58:39 < Laurenceb_> ooh gigadevice
2016-03-26T03:58:49 < Laurenceb_> now to see how similar to stm it is
2016-03-26T03:59:01 < ohsix> adafr00t blog lags a bit, that's how you know it is legit
2016-03-26T03:59:14 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: it's just referring to the zeptobars post from  a while ago
2016-03-26T03:59:22 < jadew> works fine for me and my awesome connection
2016-03-26T03:59:29 < Laurenceb_> ah
2016-03-26T04:00:07 < jadew> about the "hacker", I'm not impressed
2016-03-26T04:00:17 < jadew> lots of people have shared printers on open networks
2016-03-26T04:00:32 < ohsix> ReadError: even if the printer were reachable from the internet, it is still hard to argue it is wrong; it becomes a problem when there is massive abuse, but for people using the printer in the building or in the network, it is much more work to make it 'secure'; it is just a printer
2016-03-26T04:00:55 < ohsix> there are multifunction printers that store scanned documents and shit that would be REALLY bad to have on the internet, but just a printer, dunno
2016-03-26T04:01:09 < PeterM> something slightly more practial i did back in the day - straya has had internet usage caps since the beginning, and they used to be stupidly small, like 10gb for adsl, so i used to scan for open port 80/8080 on public IPs in subnets owned by my isp, use defaultusernames/passwords on modems and pull isp accoutn details out of them, and use them for extra data, would take me 5 mins to get liek 100 accounts
2016-03-26T04:01:14 < ohsix> you can also dial numbers and look for fax machines
2016-03-26T04:01:26 < PeterM> finding 29k p[rinters would NOT be hard
2016-03-26T04:02:18  * jadew holds his toungue
2016-03-26T04:02:32 < ohsix> https://www.shodan.io/search?query=port%3A9100
2016-03-26T04:02:42 < jadew> I did a lot of crap when I was a kid, nothing this haneous tho
2016-03-26T04:02:54 < jadew> but I probably annoyed a couple of people
2016-03-26T04:03:07 < ohsix> yea everyone did
2016-03-26T04:03:13 < ohsix> weev is an adult and doing it deliberately
2016-03-26T04:03:50 < PeterM> jadew noone lost anything from it, ISPs allowed simultaneous connections from the same username, so i'd jsut log in, use up all their data and then move on, thgey'd be slowed odwn to 64k but oh noes
2016-03-26T04:04:24 < jadew> PeterM, heh, I didn't meant that what you did was haenous
2016-03-26T04:04:33 < jadew> I like what you did :)
2016-03-26T04:04:37 < ohsix> PeterM: that would get you jacksonbrown jail time now
2016-03-26T04:04:57 < PeterM> yeah, probably but it's beyond the statute of limitations now so i dont catre
2016-03-26T04:05:01 < PeterM> care even
2016-03-26T04:05:32 < ohsix> the udid in the apple devices were sequential/otherwise guessable, they went to jail because they asked an open to the internet unauthenticated service from at&t to get peoples email addresses and stuff from the udid
2016-03-26T04:05:56 < ohsix> 'abuse' has a wide interpretation
2016-03-26T04:06:04 < jadew> heh
2016-03-26T04:06:18 < ohsix> 'fraud' doesn't, but hey it's a wild internet out there
2016-03-26T04:06:20 < PeterM> what was that website that had the index of open IPcameras from aroudn the world? i feel like killing some time
2016-03-26T04:06:35 < ohsix> probably shodan
2016-03-26T04:07:09 < PeterM> i know you can find them on shodan (thats the kidna thing its for) btuthis has a filtered list of open, default credentials etc ipcameras with nice ui
2016-03-26T04:07:30 < ohsix> wow there are a lot of sip endpoints in china open to the internet
2016-03-26T04:07:46 < ohsix> yea i vaguely remember that too
2016-03-26T04:07:49 < jadew> really? so you can call anywhere in the world for free?
2016-03-26T04:08:07 < ohsix> maybe
2016-03-26T04:08:12 < ohsix> dunno enough about sip to say
2016-03-26T04:08:28 < ohsix> https://www.shodan.io/search?query=%22register+sip%22
2016-03-26T04:08:37 < jadew> I guess if their server allows it, it should work
2016-03-26T04:08:55 < jadew> but you need user/pass to authenticate tho
2016-03-26T04:09:04 < jadew> each client has a unique user/pass
2016-03-26T04:09:45 < jadew> yeah, I guess it makes sense for them to be open
2016-03-26T04:09:48 < ohsix> PeterM: yea it was shodan, it was one of the maps; a few years ago you could access it without a username/password
2016-03-26T04:09:56 < jadew> you kinda want to be able to connect to it from across the internet
2016-03-26T04:10:54  * jadew didn't know about Shodan
2016-03-26T04:10:56 < PeterM> ohsix, no i remember distinctly it wasnt shodan, it was similar to this website but not quite the same https://www.insecam.org/
2016-03-26T04:11:20 < ohsix> k
2016-03-26T04:11:41 < ohsix> shodan DID have a thing a few years ago that was exactly that :p
2016-03-26T04:11:59 < ohsix> and they had it to get press in like 2013
2016-03-26T04:12:22 < PeterM> yeah, i know
2016-03-26T04:12:39 < PeterM> i used to watch them all the time, like people watch dashcams these days
2016-03-26T04:12:53 < ohsix> http://www.networkworld.com/article/2844283/microsoft-subnet/peeping-into-73-000-unsecured-security-cameras-thanks-to-default-passwords.html here's an article about insecam
2016-03-26T04:14:02 < ohsix> heheh that's weird
2016-03-26T04:14:17 < ohsix> ah i see, insecam was later
2016-03-26T04:14:34 < ohsix> shodan press abou webcams was 2013, insecam 2014
2016-03-26T04:15:02 < PeterM> yeah, it wansnt insecam, it was wsimilar to insecam
2016-03-26T04:15:11 < ohsix> no clue
2016-03-26T04:15:17 < ohsix> was it security oriented?
2016-03-26T04:15:30 < PeterM> nah it was for bored people browsin the internets
2016-03-26T04:15:32 < ohsix> there are a bunch of big indexes, or at least there were like 8 years ago
2016-03-26T04:15:33 < ohsix> ic
2016-03-26T04:16:02 < jadew> were any of them interesting?
2016-03-26T04:16:03 < ohsix> heh nice, earthcam is still around
2016-03-26T04:16:26 < PeterM> jadew yes
2016-03-26T04:16:53 < ohsix> http://www.earthcamtv.com/index.php haha wat
2016-03-26T04:17:08 < ohsix> they have a 'tv' channel with music over webcams in places
2016-03-26T04:17:40 < jadew> is that insecam still live?
2016-03-26T04:17:42 < ohsix> what's going on there, the stairs
2016-03-26T04:18:01 < jadew> ah, looks like it is
2016-03-26T04:19:43 < ohsix> http://static.earthcamcdn.com/hof/newyork/timessquare/1458956523172_69.jpg stairs from another angle
2016-03-26T04:20:08 < ohsix> http://static.earthcamcdn.com/hof/newyork/timessquare/1458956625196_58.jpg and another one
2016-03-26T04:20:48 < ohsix> ReadError: the funniest part of any weev press is that they call him mister aureuwhuerhurner
2016-03-26T04:21:12 < ohsix> they should call him a professional chimp or something
2016-03-26T04:23:50 < PeterM> hey dongs, how big of a thing is solar in japang?
2016-03-26T04:24:38 < ohsix> oog he had an anecdote about hwo the japanese do things wrt solar but i don't remember it; it's nto a big thing
2016-03-26T04:25:24 < jadew> this is going to take me a lot of time...
2016-03-26T04:25:31 < jadew> going through all these cameras
2016-03-26T04:27:18 < PeterM> gday
2016-03-26T04:29:06 < englishman> PeterM: crt: my pops is in oz for work, he just sent me these photos http://imgur.com/a/Is6Ya
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2016-03-26T04:29:55 < ohsix> what attacked that person
2016-03-26T04:30:00 < ohsix> cuts in clothes look too regular
2016-03-26T04:30:12 < englishman> roo with a knife
2016-03-26T04:30:34 < PeterM> i could see that happening
2016-03-26T04:32:33 < PeterM> i hit one/one ran into the tractor the other day, the kangaroo and the tractor both definitely felt it
2016-03-26T04:33:24 < PeterM> was just drivin down a row in the orchard and the roos all running accross the rows, bam, one itno the front of the tractor
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2016-03-26T05:02:27 < dongs> ohsix: i dont get it why did aidsfruit just retweet pics wihtout adding anything new
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2016-03-26T05:02:43 < ohsix> dongs: that blag is just a stream of cool/neat things
2016-03-26T05:02:52 < ohsix> dongs: it's way more legit to just do that than hackaday, for sure
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2016-03-26T05:10:00 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/Id2kdpF.png
2016-03-26T05:10:09 < Laurenceb_> progress bar buttons
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2016-03-26T05:26:29 < upgrdman> so old android used to have four buttons and one was to bring up app menus. new android does not have that, and some old app needs it. anyone know if there is a way to simulate that button press?
2016-03-26T05:26:51 < ohsix> it should show up as 3 dots on the edge of the software buttons
2016-03-26T05:27:08 < upgrdman> but it doesnt :(
2016-03-26T05:27:19 < upgrdman> fucking SSLdroid :/
2016-03-26T05:27:21 < ohsix> are you using a legit android or cyanogen
2016-03-26T05:27:25 < upgrdman> legit
2016-03-26T05:27:29 < ohsix> cuz you can turn that button on and off
2016-03-26T05:27:30 < ohsix> hm
2016-03-26T05:27:32 < ohsix> dunno
2016-03-26T05:27:50 < PeterM> usuaulyl the context menu button appears when its functionality is needed
2016-03-26T05:27:56 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-26T05:27:59 < PeterM> if it doesnt appear then you're fucked
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2016-03-26T05:28:34 < ohsix> the app can also do different ui for newer phones
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2016-03-26T05:29:42 < upgrdman> iirc SSLdroid is the only stunnel-like android app
2016-03-26T05:29:47 < upgrdman> fuck me :/
2016-03-26T05:30:31 < ohsix> isn't that popular ssh client able to do port forwarding
2016-03-26T05:30:46 < ohsix> connectbot
2016-03-26T05:31:13 < upgrdman> stunnel isnt just port fwding
2016-03-26T05:31:18 < upgrdman> its an SSL wrapper
2016-03-26T05:31:40 < upgrdman> which you need if you want your vpns in china to work
2016-03-26T05:31:41 < ohsix> right
2016-03-26T05:31:50 < ohsix> k i see the ui button on my phone
2016-03-26T05:31:56 < ohsix> it's in the top right next to 'SSLDroid'
2016-03-26T05:32:08 < ohsix> can post pix
2016-03-26T05:32:13 < upgrdman> i believe yuo
2016-03-26T05:32:17 < upgrdman> but i dont get it :(
2016-03-26T05:32:24 < upgrdman> wonder if this is specific to samsung android
2016-03-26T05:32:37 < ohsix> it got updated in 2015 for new android ui
2016-03-26T05:32:44 < ohsix> are you using play synced version of it?
2016-03-26T05:32:55 < upgrdman> no an APK from a coworker
2016-03-26T05:33:04 < upgrdman> does fap store let me download an APK?
2016-03-26T05:34:35 < ohsix> not directly but i can send you the one i just got
2016-03-26T05:34:58 < upgrdman> i just googled
2016-03-26T05:35:01 < upgrdman> and got an apkl
2016-03-26T05:35:05 < ohsix> k
2016-03-26T05:35:10 < upgrdman> 1.2.6 right
2016-03-26T05:35:22 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-26T05:35:40 < ohsix> it is probably available on f-droid too
2016-03-26T05:36:41 < upgrdman> https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=ssldroid&fdpage=1&page_id=0 :/
2016-03-26T05:37:12 < upgrdman> brb
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2016-03-26T06:14:17 < dongs> i wonder if a security DVR thats *EASY ENOUGH* to use to upload to instagram/vine/liveleak would sell.
2016-03-26T06:14:36 < dongs> so fucking sick of these thirdworld security cams footages filmed with a fucking potatocam pointing into a fucking potatl lcd
2016-03-26T06:15:03 < ohsix> eh
2016-03-26T06:15:07 < ohsix> i don't think so
2016-03-26T06:15:16 < ohsix> it is completely separate with no overlap
2016-03-26T06:15:33 < ohsix> those dvrs are there to record 24/7 to some spool and be there to watch in case something happens
2016-03-26T06:15:44 < ohsix> assuming nothing will happen, even
2016-03-26T06:15:57 < ohsix> the ones i used would let you write a dvd or to a flash drive
2016-03-26T06:16:17 < ohsix> it's like, not even harder to get video out, but you might not be allowed to by the company or something
2016-03-26T06:16:29 < ohsix> the company telling you you can't is going to be the 99% problem
2016-03-26T06:16:36 < ohsix> so you use your phone
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2016-03-26T06:23:54 < dongs> damn i got a sick price on 950 pro
2016-03-26T06:24:47 < ohsix> wats that
2016-03-26T06:24:52 < dongs> samdung ssd shit
2016-03-26T06:25:09 < ohsix> is it one with the ncq discard problem?
2016-03-26T06:25:49 < dongs> yes I only buy ssd wiht issues
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2016-03-26T06:58:24 < ohsix> dongs: http://i.imgur.com/AgCVfjY.jpg
2016-03-26T06:58:30 < ohsix> lewl wrong url earlier
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2016-03-26T09:02:38 < ohsix> oi m8
2016-03-26T09:02:55 < ohsix> i only just noticed you were in australia
2016-03-26T09:09:37 < ohsix> nothing
2016-03-26T09:09:49 < ohsix> you know gary the goat, the guy got all conspiracy minded :[
2016-03-26T09:10:09 < PeterM> hey crt
2016-03-26T09:10:10 < PeterM> do oyu know
2016-03-26T09:10:13 < PeterM> trent
2016-03-26T09:10:22 < ohsix> that's the extent of my knowledge of something going on in australia
2016-03-26T09:10:48 < PeterM> yeah, best bloke in punchy
2016-03-26T09:11:01 < ohsix> HEHEH
2016-03-26T09:11:05 < PeterM> eyah, btu trent isnt from vic
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2016-03-26T09:11:24 < ohsix> jimbo
2016-03-26T09:11:35 < PeterM> ayyyeee
2016-03-26T09:12:09 < ohsix> sydney is in australia isn't it
2016-03-26T09:12:18 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-26T09:12:27 < ohsix> what else is there
2016-03-26T09:13:10 < ohsix> and that's the only road right
2016-03-26T09:13:25 < ohsix> 3?
2016-03-26T09:13:32 < ohsix> hur joking aside
2016-03-26T09:13:43 < ohsix> what do you think about the aboriginal people
2016-03-26T09:13:49 < ohsix> and substance abuse
2016-03-26T09:13:52 < PeterM> crt, have you been to the cowdownie faire?
2016-03-26T09:14:10 < ohsix> do you like the movie: mad max
2016-03-26T09:14:22 < ohsix> i could do this all night
2016-03-26T09:14:36 < PeterM> ohsix, you mean the documentary?
2016-03-26T09:14:51 < ohsix> ya
2016-03-26T09:15:38 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5j_EcmRvaI
2016-03-26T09:19:05 < PeterM> nah looks fine, put in your headphones and jsut go.
2016-03-26T09:20:19 < PeterM> i like the soldering iron used at 1:56
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2016-03-26T09:25:44 < PeterM> Metcal GT-9000 [gas torch]
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2016-03-26T09:30:34 < ohsix> heyyyyyyy tim hunkin has a youtube channel
2016-03-26T09:30:45 < ohsix> the secret life of machines was _awesome_
2016-03-26T09:38:20 < ohsix> there is one
2016-03-26T09:38:22 < ohsix> it is really bad
2016-03-26T09:38:31 < ohsix> also m ost of the videos weren't english, the french bastards
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2016-03-26T09:50:21 < upgrdman> anyone here familiar with PKCS12 files? can they be used to store a PSK?
2016-03-26T09:50:46 < upgrdman> SSLdroid wants a PKCS12 file, but stunnel just uses a .txt file for PSKs :/
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2016-03-26T10:11:01 < ohsix> they'll be in an export format
2016-03-26T10:11:06 < ohsix> o nm
2016-03-26T10:13:46 < effractur> a
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2016-03-26T10:21:28 < Thorn> this book costs how much? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0757503756/ref=lpr_g_1/104-6309168-9196751?v=glance&s=books
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2016-03-26T10:55:42 < timemob> haha I found this gem from 2005
2016-03-26T10:55:47 < timemob> Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future. 
2016-03-26T10:56:19 < timemob> immediately thought of readstoner
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2016-03-26T10:56:47 < timemob> correct.
2016-03-26T10:57:16 < timemob> bbl.
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2016-03-26T11:14:24 < dongs> sup dongs.
2016-03-26T11:14:45 < ReadError> sniffin bozone
2016-03-26T11:18:28 < dongs> not surprised
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2016-03-26T11:42:30 < dongs> lol.
2016-03-26T11:42:34 < dongs> shut the fuck up
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2016-03-26T12:07:49 < dongs> do youlike getting high
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2016-03-26T12:26:43 < Thorn> crt: no, libgen doesn't have it in stock :(
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2016-03-26T12:32:55 < Steffanx> Hello mr sir crt
2016-03-26T12:33:18 < Steffanx> No such thing today.
2016-03-26T12:33:31 < Steffanx> ( still no clue what it even is )
2016-03-26T12:34:04 < Steffanx> only mr D does
2016-03-26T12:35:41 < Steffanx> how is todays day in aussieland?
2016-03-26T12:37:08 < dongs> as a pumper  you ahve a pretty shit job
2016-03-26T12:45:13 < dongs> jobless in parents basement
2016-03-26T12:45:54 < dongs> how is that bad
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2016-03-26T12:50:13 < BrainDamage> funnier would be 2x7815 with no degeneration
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2016-03-26T13:13:20 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/28/why-wont-nhs-let-me-be-sterilised
2016-03-26T13:13:25 < Laurenceb_> so much Poe
2016-03-26T13:15:34 < Laurenceb_> its funny cuz its what hitler would have wanted
2016-03-26T13:16:13 < Laurenceb_>  next up "why can't I gas myself to make hitler proud"
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2016-03-26T13:30:01 < dongs> BREAKING: Belgian authorities find body of officer who works at a nuclear plant, say his work pass was stolen; pass now revoked amid fears that terrorists were planning a dirty bomb strike on a nuclear facility
2016-03-26T13:30:05 < dongs> lol
2016-03-26T13:30:09 < dongs> fucking belgium doesn't get any breaks
2016-03-26T13:30:28 < dongs> who teh fuck did tehy piss off
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2016-03-26T13:39:15 < Laurenceb_> arg bubuntu is broke
2016-03-26T13:39:30 < Laurenceb_> screen brightness indicator showing all the time wtf
2016-03-26T13:39:34 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-26T13:39:42 < dongs> niggerbuntu on a laptop?
2016-03-26T13:39:48 < dongs> yo ugot nothing better to do?
2016-03-26T13:39:50 < dongs> lunix on mobiles, lawl
2016-03-26T13:39:55 < dongs> what's power management
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2016-03-26T13:50:11 < rewolff1> > dirty bomb strike on a nuclear facility
2016-03-26T13:50:11 < rewolff1> Ehh. Someone doesn't understand the concept of "dirty bomb"?
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2016-03-26T13:50:41 < dongs> donno im just retweeting
2016-03-26T13:50:48 < dongs> and im not a terrorist so I dont know professional terms
2016-03-26T13:56:50 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-03-26T13:56:52 < Laurenceb_> http://www.thedrum.com/news/2012/09/06/ad-agency-iris-worldwide-faces-online-backlash-over-iris-benefits-staff-booklet
2016-03-26T13:56:56 < Laurenceb_> this is genius
2016-03-26T13:59:29 < Fleck> so, noone knows why RTC-PRL resets after main power cycle on f103? vbat stays connected!
2016-03-26T13:59:46 < Laurenceb_> PRL ?
2016-03-26T14:00:02 < Laurenceb_> I forget what that does
2016-03-26T14:05:19 < Laurenceb_> ah yes the pedo register
2016-03-26T14:05:41 < Laurenceb_> when they say "you're going on the register"
2016-03-26T14:05:45 < Laurenceb_> whats what they mean
2016-03-26T14:08:03 < Sync> Laurenceb_: doesn't seem like the bookelet is offensive at all
2016-03-26T14:08:14 < Sync> just some typical brits being brits
2016-03-26T14:08:23 < Laurenceb_> I irl lolled
2016-03-26T14:08:40 < Laurenceb_> cuz its accurate
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2016-03-26T14:13:25 < kakimir> sup my homos
2016-03-26T14:13:59 < kakimir> you still up crt
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2016-03-26T14:19:01 < kakimir> kuopiosta merenkäyntikaupunni?
2016-03-26T14:19:13 < kakimir> hah wrong channel
2016-03-26T14:21:01 < kakimir> I have been doing some old boards over there
2016-03-26T14:21:07 < kakimir> connected to debug server
2016-03-26T14:21:24 < kakimir> and I desperatelly need SPI interface for that machine
2016-03-26T14:23:14 < kakimir> I don't know mate
2016-03-26T14:24:33 < kakimir> are you drunk?
2016-03-26T14:29:56 < kakimir> not
2016-03-26T14:32:21 < kakimir> interface some old board from autumn
2016-03-26T14:32:31 < kakimir> need to test it
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2016-03-26T14:33:40 < kakimir> fall
2016-03-26T14:40:32 < kakimir> now I look at diesel powered planes
2016-03-26T14:45:32 < kakimir> tell mno no
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2016-03-26T14:51:47 < kakimir> was it that cortex addresses memory by byte?
2016-03-26T14:52:30 < kakimir> increment pointer and your variable moves by byte?
2016-03-26T14:54:45 < kakimir> sotrry
2016-03-26T14:54:49 < kakimir> project is halted atm
2016-03-26T14:56:34 < dongs> hmm
2016-03-26T14:56:45 < dongs> any right angle SMD switch thats similar to that 5mm through-hole part
2016-03-26T14:57:02 < dongs> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/2035717725/-Right-Angle-Tactile-Push-Button-Switches-6x6x9-5mm.jpg_350x350.jpg
2016-03-26T14:57:12 < dongs> that name looks like it said "shitstain" and it got cut off
2016-03-26T14:57:54 < kakimir> cumstain
2016-03-26T14:57:55 < dongs> well it certainly exists
2016-03-26T14:58:00 < dongs> my only concern is how durable that shit is
2016-03-26T14:58:19 < dongs> http://www.apem.com/tactile-switches-v9-p-106.html?!do=ZG89dGh1bWJuYWlsZXIuZ2V0JnNyYz1pbWFnZXMlMkZhcGVtJTJGcHJvZHVjdHMlMkZTZWN0aW9uX0MtRDE2Mi5qcGcmdmVyc2lvbj1wcm9kdWN0cy5saWdodA==
2016-03-26T14:59:14 < dongs> the top one looks like you can maybe bend it over the pcb edge
2016-03-26T14:59:19 < dongs> er front one
2016-03-26T15:00:08 < dongs> https://www.e-switch.com/system/asset/product_line/image/208/small_TL3360-series.jpg
2016-03-26T15:00:39 < dongs> https://www.e-switch.com/product-catalog/tact/product-lines/tl3360-series-right-angle-smt-tact-switch#.VvaH9Kd96DM
2016-03-26T15:00:42 < dongs> but yeah i duno
2016-03-26T15:00:50 < dongs> that looks like it can totally get knocked off the board e-z
2016-03-26T15:02:21 < dongs> https://www.e-switch.com/product-catalog/tact/product-lines/tl4105-series-right-angle-ultra-miniature-tact-switch#.VvaIW6d96DM
2016-03-26T15:02:24 < dongs> thats kinda cute
2016-03-26T15:02:38 < dongs> overhang from the pcb edge
2016-03-26T15:04:11 < kakimir> I wonder if I can extern const
2016-03-26T15:04:31 < kakimir> for _sdata and _estack
2016-03-26T15:04:38 < dongs> wut.
2016-03-26T15:04:41 < dongs> why so assburger
2016-03-26T15:04:59 < dongs> why does your ffirmware even need to know this ever
2016-03-26T15:05:27 < kakimir> because there be dividing
2016-03-26T15:05:48 < kakimir> and I want to compiler optimize those calculations out
2016-03-26T15:05:59 < kakimir> because constant values
2016-03-26T15:06:23 < Thorn> the compiler can't see externs at compile time
2016-03-26T15:06:45 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-26T15:06:47 < kakimir> but does it see consts?
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2016-03-26T15:07:55 < Thorn> if they're defined in the same compilation unit
2016-03-26T15:08:05 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-26T15:08:57 < kakimir> the question is if this is legit: extern const uint32_t *_sdata;//Start of data section - RAM supposedly begins here.
2016-03-26T15:09:26 < Thorn> yes it is. this is basically what startup code does
2016-03-26T15:09:38 < Thorn> but don't count on any compile time optimization
2016-03-26T15:12:08 < dongs> what's everyone's favorite right angle smt chinaswitch
2016-03-26T15:13:28 < kakimir> pushbutton?
2016-03-26T15:13:44 < dongs> yeah. tactile/pushbutton.
2016-03-26T15:18:43 < dongs> http://cfnewsads.thomasnet.com/images/medium/501/501952.jpg
2016-03-26T15:18:44 < dongs> hmmm
2016-03-26T15:18:47 < dongs> thats less awful
2016-03-26T15:18:55 < dongs> it has a pcb through hole thing I can fix via paste-in-pad
2016-03-26T15:19:07 < dongs> and i dont need to run the shit through wave reflow
2016-03-26T15:20:26 < Fleck> dooooh, PRL is write only reg...
2016-03-26T15:20:37 < Fleck> problem solved... :D
2016-03-26T15:20:56 < Thorn> these buttons look like they will have enough leverage to rip the pads off the pcb tbh
2016-03-26T15:21:07 < dongs> thorn, sure, but
2016-03-26T15:21:18 < dongs> i am now using the generic 5mm all-through-hole thing
2016-03-26T15:21:20 < dongs> and its a pain in teh ass
2016-03-26T15:21:27 < dongs> not to mention profile problem for pcb because the shit sticks out from bottom
2016-03-26T15:21:35 < kakimir> https://www.e-switch.com/system/asset/product_line/image/163/medium_TL3330-series.jpg I would use such
2016-03-26T15:21:40 < Sync> cut the legs flush
2016-03-26T15:21:56 < dongs> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/2035717725/-Right-Angle-Tactile-Push-Button-Switches-6x6x9-5mm.jpg_350x350.jpg the shitstain url
2016-03-26T15:22:03 < dongs> sync, im not fucking doung that for 100s of boards
2016-03-26T15:22:14 < Sync> pfft
2016-03-26T15:25:09 < kakimir> dongs: I think I have seen those with longer struts
2016-03-26T15:25:41 < kakimir> and 4support legs
2016-03-26T15:25:51 < dongs> the shitstain?
2016-03-26T15:26:02 < dongs> eyah mine is not exactly that
2016-03-26T15:26:03 < dongs> looking for real pic
2016-03-26T15:26:15 < dongs> http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1sAHAJFXXXXabXFXXq6xXFXXXc/20-x-Right-Angle-Momentary-Tact-Tactile-Push-Button-Switch-Non-Lock-6x6x8-5mm.jpg
2016-03-26T15:26:18 < dongs> mine is kinda like this
2016-03-26T15:26:58 < kakimir> what kind of siet are you buildin
2016-03-26T15:27:28 < dongs> that was OK when I was hand soldering 50 boards a month
2016-03-26T15:27:41 < dongs> but ive since then made > 2000 and its kinda time to move to something proepr
2016-03-26T15:28:14 < Sync> the pure smd ones are quite sturdy if you via stich the pads
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2016-03-26T15:29:36 < dongs> sync, but they dont look very common
2016-03-26T15:29:42 < dongs> that last shit I linked might be more china-available
2016-03-26T15:29:48 < Tectu> dongs, diptrace 3.0 was released
2016-03-26T15:29:50 < dongs> http://cfnewsads.thomasnet.com/images/medium/501/501952.jpg this shit
2016-03-26T15:29:52 < dongs> Tectu: no shit
2016-03-26T15:29:54 < dongs> checking.
2016-03-26T15:30:08 < Sync> ~dicktrace
2016-03-26T15:30:11 < Sync> ftfy
2016-03-26T15:30:19 < Tectu> changelog isn't that big. Mainly differential pair crap. But at least the development keeps going which was questionable in the past
2016-03-26T15:31:49 < Thorn> I had a rotary encoder sheared off a pcb. only the bottom part with TH pins remained
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2016-03-26T15:34:08 < dongs> typical faggot musicians
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2016-03-26T15:34:50 < dongs> wonder if my dicktrace license is OK for 3.0
2016-03-26T15:35:09 < dongs> correct
2016-03-26T15:35:12 < dongs> full version, too
2016-03-26T15:35:17 < dongs> it was around 600-ish
2016-03-26T15:35:38 < dongs> a well worthile investment as the first board I made in that paid off in like a week
2016-03-26T15:35:41 < dongs> that was before i was using altium
2016-03-26T15:37:47 < dongs> ok yeah
2016-03-26T15:37:50 < dongs> end of my license with 3.0 as wel.
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2016-03-26T15:41:30 < dongs> well they added some hotkey shit but too little, too late
2016-03-26T15:43:25 < dongs> certianly
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2016-03-26T16:01:49 < PeterM> eagle is so aids
2016-03-26T16:02:10 < PeterM> want to delete a trace or unroute? HULK SMASH TOOL
2016-03-26T16:06:41 < dongs> PeterM: any thoughts on RA tactile swithc?
2016-03-26T16:06:48 < ReadError> http://des.gearbest.com/uploads/2015/201510/heditor/201510081102433838.jpg
2016-03-26T16:07:01 < ReadError> http://des.gearbest.com/uploads/2015/201510/heditor/201510081102489244.jpg
2016-03-26T16:07:31 < dongs> wat is this trash, chink crapplewatch clone?
2016-03-26T16:07:39 < ReadError> http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_247003.html
2016-03-26T16:07:41 < ReadError> its a phone
2016-03-26T16:07:43 < ReadError> and a watch
2016-03-26T16:07:53 < dongs> the origina lis so fucking awdful why care about cloningig it
2016-03-26T16:07:53 < kakimir> china
2016-03-26T16:08:14 < ReadError> you can put a simcard in it
2016-03-26T16:08:22 < ReadError> and call people with your watch
2016-03-26T16:08:35 < dongs> yea neptune pine did that 3 yearsd ago on dickstarter
2016-03-26T16:08:38 < dongs> and got almost $1lmil
2016-03-26T16:08:40 < dongs> delivered garbage
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2016-03-26T16:09:46 < dongs> l;ol it even has an awful camera
2016-03-26T16:09:54 < dongs> shit thats old too last year
2016-03-26T16:09:58 < dongs> maybe i should get some for spawn
2016-03-26T16:10:16 < dongs> battery life is liek 5 hours right
2016-03-26T16:10:36 < ReadError> http://www.gearbest.com/smart-watch-phone/pp_337582.html
2016-03-26T16:10:44 < ReadError> they make them for kids
2016-03-26T16:10:51 < dongs> thats $50 more bro
2016-03-26T16:11:16 < dongs> just cuz it has a fucking gps tracker, i dont care if the fuckers are lost really
2016-03-26T16:11:41 < kakimir> how many battery life that watch have?
2016-03-26T16:13:14 < ReadError> such english
2016-03-26T16:13:56 < dongs> you just put the cable to left side and now its charging
2016-03-26T16:14:11 < PeterM> dongs nah sorry
2016-03-26T16:14:50 < dongs> god damn the zoom is so awful
2016-03-26T16:14:53 < dongs> you can see it chug
2016-03-26T16:15:31 < Steffanx> Rage o'clock.
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2016-03-26T16:17:30 < ReadError> lol that gearbest girl
2016-03-26T16:17:39 < ReadError> english
2016-03-26T16:17:58 < dongs> ya
2016-03-26T16:18:00 < dongs> that first video
2016-03-26T16:18:43 < ReadError> the 2nd one on the page w/ the girl as the thumbnail
2016-03-26T16:18:56 < ReadError> painful
2016-03-26T16:19:23 < dongs> o yea second
2016-03-26T16:19:27 < dongs> didnt see the 1st one thought it was just static pic
2016-03-26T16:19:37 < dongs> fucking gsm only
2016-03-26T16:19:37 < dongs> aids
2016-03-26T16:19:40 < dongs> japs have no gsm networks
2016-03-26T16:19:41 < kakimir> I think thay made just enought good clocks after millenia
2016-03-26T16:19:49 < kakimir> and with inexpensive price
2016-03-26T16:21:44 < ReadError> wat
2016-03-26T16:21:52 < dongs> http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_141989.html oh not bad
2016-03-26T16:21:56 < dongs> they have some wcdma stuff
2016-03-26T16:22:01 < dongs> thats pretty pro
2016-03-26T16:22:40 < kakimir> I fucking hate gps receivers they use in phones and shiet
2016-03-26T16:22:46 < kakimir> absolute garbage
2016-03-26T16:22:55 < kakimir> no locking without hsdpa
2016-03-26T16:23:13 < kakimir> my current phone gps doesn't work at all
2016-03-26T16:23:35 < BrainDamage> wut
2016-03-26T16:23:40 < dongs> wat
2016-03-26T16:23:58 < Steffanx> Mine doesnt work very well eithe, but .. chinaphone
2016-03-26T16:24:14 < kakimir> and hey.. I had one cheap chinaphone
2016-03-26T16:24:18 < BrainDamage> do you realize that a gps lock without a location seed can take up to 10 min?
2016-03-26T16:24:26 < dongs> ^
2016-03-26T16:24:33 < dongs> probly more, and you better hope you're in the clear sky
2016-03-26T16:25:15 < kakimir> BrainDamage: I have such receiver that locks in like... 30seconds
2016-03-26T16:25:26 < kakimir> and has 30cm initial accuracy
2016-03-26T16:25:30 < ReadError> http://www.gearbest.com/rc-quadcopters/pp_230472.html
2016-03-26T16:25:34 < ReadError> these are fun
2016-03-26T16:25:59 < BrainDamage> kakimir: you need an initial seed to have fast lock
2016-03-26T16:26:10 < kakimir> those phone gps:es work in cities
2016-03-26T16:26:12 < BrainDamage> the better the initial seed accuracy, the faster the lock
2016-03-26T16:26:25 < BrainDamage> which is why agps is  thing
2016-03-26T16:26:48 < kakimir> but in forrest when you are fucked you don't get anything out of your phone
2016-03-26T16:26:50 < zyp> kakimir, a full broadcast of the almanac/ephemeris takes longer than 30 seconds
2016-03-26T16:27:09 < ReadError> kakimir if you had a lock before the forrest
2016-03-26T16:27:13 < kakimir> zyp: hmm... well it feels atleast like 30secs
2016-03-26T16:27:15 < ReadError> you are 100% fine
2016-03-26T16:27:19 < zyp> so a dumb gps simply can't get a lock in 30 secs without any cached data
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2016-03-26T16:28:07 < kakimir> because poor and have no real maps
2016-03-26T16:28:31 < mitrax> superbia: gay dogging
2016-03-26T16:29:16 < mitrax> never heard the term dogging? :)
2016-03-26T16:29:23 < ReadError> the gps in my nexus7 is pretty legit
2016-03-26T16:29:31 < ReadError> get a lock indoors very accurate
2016-03-26T16:29:48 < Steffanx> its cheating using wifi stuff? :P
2016-03-26T16:29:52 < kakimir> ReadError: turn data off
2016-03-26T16:30:02 < ReadError> that will only help for the initial
2016-03-26T16:30:09 < ReadError> but after a while shit has 13 sats
2016-03-26T16:31:17 < kakimir> ReadError: where you live and is it a real house?
2016-03-26T16:31:38 < ReadError> ..............
2016-03-26T16:31:59 < kakimir> next to window of course?
2016-03-26T16:32:12 < kakimir> maybe placed right at the window?
2016-03-26T16:32:32 < mitrax> superbia: http://www.swinger-nation.co.uk/dogging/
2016-03-26T16:32:34 < Steffanx> your house is made of wood, yankeestyle ReadError? :)
2016-03-26T16:33:13 < kakimir> me brothers new phone doesn't require to be next to window but just for locking and then he has signal even all inside the house
2016-03-26T16:33:20 < Steffanx> "The term 'dogging' originated in the early Seventies to describe men who spied on couples having sex outdoors." .. all you need to know superbia
2016-03-26T16:33:22 < kakimir> or atleast some signal
2016-03-26T16:34:31 < mitrax> http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/local-news/villagers-shocked-gay-dogging-spot-6957533 ahahah
2016-03-26T16:34:55 < kakimir> but I haven't used samsuck that would have any good gps
2016-03-26T16:35:12 < kakimir> last samsuck was totally unnecessary buy
2016-03-26T16:35:23 < kakimir> robbed
2016-03-26T16:35:36 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/5dNxzzuMTB8?t=19m46s
2016-03-26T16:35:43 < kakimir> for 2010 legacy gear
2016-03-26T16:36:07 < Steffanx> mitrax, you browse the dark web too?
2016-03-26T16:36:49 < mitrax> Steffanx: nope, too afraid of what i'd see there
2016-03-26T16:37:21 < Steffanx> at least some sanity in you :D
2016-03-26T16:37:53 < mitrax> eheh
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2016-03-26T16:43:33 < kakimir> I need to pick some statistically most unlikely 16bit value to return in case of illegal address request
2016-03-26T16:43:44 < dongs> .. yea
2016-03-26T16:43:49 < kakimir> so receiving program can probe error counter
2016-03-26T16:44:27 < kakimir> but not too often without reason to
2016-03-26T16:44:38 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Skyworks-Solutions-Inc/AAT3693IDH-AA-T1/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsfD%252bbMpEGFJc2vj4mj6ovHDzYbEQhbrkw%3d
2016-03-26T16:44:44 < ReadError> these little fuckers are cheap
2016-03-26T16:44:58 < ReadError> 44cent lipo charger
2016-03-26T16:45:09 < kakimir> maybe I just return 0101010101010101010.. or so?
2016-03-26T16:45:34 < PeterM> ReadError, skyworks are 10/10 vendor
2016-03-26T16:46:08 < PeterM> iirc they have cheapest swithcing lipo charger
2016-03-26T16:46:10 < ReadError> idk ive used a few of their parts
2016-03-26T16:46:17 < ReadError> not had issues
2016-03-26T16:46:19 < PeterM> even chepaer than china clones
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2016-03-26T16:46:28 < ReadError> but 44 cents is nuts
2016-03-26T16:46:34 < ReadError> at 1qty
2016-03-26T16:46:36 < PeterM> no shit, thety are 10/10 vendor, why would oyu ahve problems.
2016-03-26T16:47:31 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wrsZog8qXg filmed in a skyworks fab iirc
2016-03-26T16:47:49 < ReadError> This video contains content from Zeitgeist Management. It is not available in your country.
2016-03-26T16:47:51 < ReadError> lol wtf
2016-03-26T16:48:05 < PeterM> kek
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2016-03-26T16:48:31 < dongs> owned
2016-03-26T16:48:32 < dongs> i can watch it
2016-03-26T16:49:03 < ReadError> Zeitgeist Management is a USA company?
2016-03-26T16:49:23 < PeterM> you can see SKYWORKS written on the back of the bunny suits
2016-03-26T16:49:58 < kakimir> I think I just watched 7minutes of intersil advert with that link
2016-03-26T16:50:01 < dongs> https://youtu.be/0wrsZog8qXg?t=188 part# covered up
2016-03-26T16:50:38 < PeterM> yeah
2016-03-26T16:50:46 < kakimir> you cant know it's advert when there is dude in lab speaking about their shiet
2016-03-26T16:52:02 < dongs> o yea
2016-03-26T16:52:05 < dongs> can see the logo
2016-03-26T16:52:08 < PeterM> kakimir, have you played video games before?
2016-03-26T16:52:10 < dongs> https://youtu.be/0wrsZog8qXg?t=230
2016-03-26T16:52:36 < PeterM> yerp
2016-03-26T16:53:11 < Steffanx> dongs did you stop browsing ks? Im no longer up to date with all projects because you no longer seem to browse it
2016-03-26T16:53:44 < dongs> Steffanx: havent seen anything truly dumb recently, i do check it sometimes
2016-03-26T16:53:58 < Steffanx> Ach so
2016-03-26T16:54:20 < kakimir> PeterM: video games?
2016-03-26T16:54:21 < kakimir> sure
2016-03-26T16:54:31 < PeterM> have you tried CS:GO AWAY
2016-03-26T16:54:35 < Steffanx> meh "The site is temporarily unavailable. Please contact your local branch for immediate assistance..." .. mouser is broken
2016-03-26T16:55:15 < mitrax> yeah it broke here too
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2016-03-26T16:59:57 < englishman> heh they blurred some out but not all
2016-03-26T17:00:32 < englishman> nice goldwire machine
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2016-03-26T17:01:11 < dongs> that video rez is awful
2016-03-26T17:01:17 < dongs> is this some fucking rap music video?
2016-03-26T17:01:18 < englishman> what do you want its from like 1999
2016-03-26T17:01:20 < dongs> i had volume turned down
2016-03-26T17:01:23 < kakimir> PeterM: I have not heard of such
2016-03-26T17:07:27 < Steffanx> is that even a real thing PeterM? CS:GO AWAY?
2016-03-26T17:08:56 < PeterM> no it isn't
2016-03-26T17:09:06 < PeterM> it was a  joke that went over both of your heads
2016-03-26T17:09:10 < dongs> lol
2016-03-26T17:09:33 < kakimir> he tries to enter suggestion
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2016-03-26T17:15:20 < Steffanx> Im sorry, i never played CS PeterM :P
2016-03-26T17:16:15 < ReadError> http://www.jax.com/product-fleet-material/jet-fire-starting-ether
2016-03-26T17:16:20 < ReadError> the good stuff (tm)
2016-03-26T17:17:37 < Steffanx> America's Finest Industrial Lubricants .. also that one special industrie?
2016-03-26T17:17:38 < Steffanx> y
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2016-03-26T17:26:19 < Steffanx> Anyway, you have real use for that ReadError?
2016-03-26T17:26:37 < Steffanx> or just Pyromania?
2016-03-26T17:26:44 < ReadError> oh i just need the ether
2016-03-26T17:26:51 < ReadError> and its the cheapest way to source it
2016-03-26T17:28:41 < PeterM> really?
2016-03-26T17:29:00 < dongs> got bored of getting high off weed?
2016-03-26T17:29:03 < dongs> wanna try something harder/
2016-03-26T17:29:12 < Steffanx> Meth.
2016-03-26T17:30:42 < Steffanx> oh oops, i thought you were up to something new
2016-03-26T17:30:56 < dongs> so is mouser dead lol
2016-03-26T17:31:03 < dongs> site doesnt evne open now
2016-03-26T17:31:07 < dongs> who packeted them
2016-03-26T17:31:17 < dongs> www.mouser.com/ds works tho
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2016-03-26T17:33:35 < dongs> oh, i got a teh site is temporarily unavaivble thing
2016-03-26T17:33:37 < dongs> must be really ded
2016-03-26T17:33:42 < ReadError> PeterM yes, 500mL of diethyl ether is like 55$
2016-03-26T17:38:38 < PeterM> huh
2016-03-26T17:38:45 < PeterM> thats pretty pricey
2016-03-26T17:38:49 < dongs> 2-4 channel DFN (small package) cc led driver go
2016-03-26T17:39:30 < dongs> .. 350mA / channel
2016-03-26T17:39:34 < dongs> this guy is dreaming
2016-03-26T17:40:28 < PeterM> linear no way
2016-03-26T17:46:29 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/diodes-incorporated/AL5801W6-7/AL5801W6-7DITR-ND/3481117
2016-03-26T17:46:33 < dongs> apparently there's some linear trash by diodez
2016-03-26T17:48:05 < dongs> anyway asshole isnt even telling me what the fuck hes trying to do so i dont really care
2016-03-26T17:48:39 < kakimir> are you freelancing again dongs ?
2016-03-26T17:51:41 < dongs> no its my  asshole ledpal guy
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2016-03-26T18:33:22 < kakimir> is there nice ways to rise some runtime errors in mcu?
2016-03-26T18:33:26 < kakimir> raise
2016-03-26T18:33:34 < kakimir> or just while loop it
2016-03-26T18:33:46 < kakimir> catch it there
2016-03-26T18:34:12 < PaulFertser> Or software breakpoint
2016-03-26T18:35:28 < dongs> catch it while you can
2016-03-26T18:36:04 < Laurenceb_> maybe software triggered interrupt
2016-03-26T18:36:04 < Lux> dongs: that driver seems pretty trashy
2016-03-26T18:36:10 < Laurenceb_> _triggered_
2016-03-26T18:36:16 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKVzJSU3BLNDkwQjA&usp=sharing I just wonder if there is a way to evaluate =< for those values in last one in build time
2016-03-26T18:36:24 < kakimir> those are not constants
2016-03-26T18:36:25 < Lux> the current will probably drift a lot when it gets hot
2016-03-26T18:36:29 < dongs> lux, the 17c diodes.com?
2016-03-26T18:36:35 < Lux> yep
2016-03-26T18:36:41 < dongs> well, no doubt
2016-03-26T18:36:49 < dongs> but its 17c
2016-03-26T18:37:03 < Laurenceb_> how do i paste
2016-03-26T18:37:09 < Laurenceb_> kakimir^
2016-03-26T18:37:29 < Lux> just yesterday i helped a friend debug a similar non trashy driver
2016-03-26T18:37:42 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: I do not know
2016-03-26T18:37:45 < dongs> what was it
2016-03-26T18:37:57 < Lux> problem was it had a linear reg built in that dissapated far too much power
2016-03-26T18:38:05 < dongs> ah.
2016-03-26T18:38:08 < Lux> like 10mA at 31V drop
2016-03-26T18:38:10 < Lux> onsemi
2016-03-26T18:38:27 < Lux> don't know the part number anymore
2016-03-26T18:38:49 < Laurenceb_> lul http://8ch.net/n/res/351995.html
2016-03-26T18:40:12 < dongs> is it time for trollenceb shitty links?
2016-03-26T18:40:38 < PeterM> ahh its jsut a constant current sink, in htat case, feed the LED wiht only JUST past its VF and dissipation shouldnt actually be the bad
2016-03-26T18:41:17 < Laurenceb_> yes it is time
2016-03-26T18:41:53 < ReadError> omg
2016-03-26T18:41:55 < ReadError> Laurenceb_
2016-03-26T18:41:59 < ReadError> you have to check out this show
2016-03-26T18:42:07 < dongs> PeterM: yeah
2016-03-26T18:42:10 < ReadError> The.Internet.Ruined.My.Life.S01E01.HDTV.x264-W4F
2016-03-26T18:42:16 < Laurenceb_> ...
2016-03-26T18:42:24 < mitrax> ReadError: yeah?
2016-03-26T18:42:33 < ReadError> they had some chick from gamergate
2016-03-26T18:42:40 < ReadError> then some other asian
2016-03-26T18:42:53 < ReadError> some fgt from the UK
2016-03-26T18:42:58 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/T0e5ne0.jpg
2016-03-26T18:42:59 < Laurenceb_> oh
2016-03-26T18:43:10  * mitrax grabs it
2016-03-26T18:43:26 < ReadError> its mostly about people getting trolled
2016-03-26T18:43:32 < ReadError> and taking it too serious
2016-03-26T18:43:39 < PeterM> ReadError, why isn't that show "I'm a fuckign idiot and its my own damn fault"
2016-03-26T18:43:44 < ReadError> like running away from their houses
2016-03-26T18:43:45 < ReadError> to hide
2016-03-26T18:43:58 < Laurenceb_> lul wasn't that faked?
2016-03-26T18:44:08 < ReadError> faked?
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2016-03-26T18:44:51 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/NsbCv1g.jpg
2016-03-26T18:44:58 < Laurenceb_> massive image warning
2016-03-26T18:45:12 < ReadError> oh
2016-03-26T18:45:13 < Laurenceb_> also its a tarp
2016-03-26T18:45:17 < ReadError> brianna wu?
2016-03-26T18:45:20 < ReadError> or something?
2016-03-26T18:45:28 < ReadError> ya they was on this show
2016-03-26T18:45:35 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-03-26T18:45:42 < dongs> brian wu hasn't left his house in years , whooooooooo cares
2016-03-26T18:45:50 < Sync> wat is dat
2016-03-26T18:46:01 < Laurenceb_> change sex to female
2016-03-26T18:46:10 < Laurenceb_> claim discrimination
2016-03-26T18:46:11 < Laurenceb_> ???
2016-03-26T18:46:13 < Laurenceb_> profit
2016-03-26T18:46:41 < kakimir> oh gamergate
2016-03-26T18:46:44 < PeterM> <Laurenceb_> change sex check box on facebook to female       - fixt
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2016-03-26T18:47:31 < Laurenceb_> sometimes "people"/neckbeards think I'm a grrrl on irc
2016-03-26T18:47:35 < Laurenceb_> epic lulz result
2016-03-26T18:47:55 < mitrax> is there a single chick in here?
2016-03-26T18:47:59 < Laurenceb_> nope
2016-03-26T18:48:01 < PeterM> yes
2016-03-26T18:48:15 < ReadError> LeelooMinai ?
2016-03-26T18:48:16 < Laurenceb_> I went on #linux once and someone started pming me dick shots
2016-03-26T18:48:22 < mitrax> everytime i came a cross a "female" programmer on irc it turned out to be a tranny
2016-03-26T18:48:29 < Laurenceb_> Leeloo is a tarp
2016-03-26T18:48:34 < Sync> wtf Laurenceb_
2016-03-26T18:48:35 < PeterM> also Laurenceb_ you're clearly a wizard so i'd be jelly too
2016-03-26T18:48:35 < Sync> wtf.
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2016-03-26T18:48:52 < Laurenceb_> they thought I was a grrl cuz they were french
2016-03-26T18:48:56 < kakimir> wizards are scary
2016-03-26T18:49:23 < PeterM> dongs is clearly 12 year old gril
2016-03-26T18:49:45 < dongs> shhh
2016-03-26T18:49:49 < dongs> dont let the secret out
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2016-03-26T18:50:05 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai  blog  http://mayaposch.blogspot.co.uk/
2016-03-26T18:50:25 < PeterM> sorry dingle
2016-03-26T18:50:25 < Laurenceb_> an overdose of oestrogen
2016-03-26T18:50:30 < Laurenceb_> stopped reading there
2016-03-26T18:50:32 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: That's hackitten actually:)
2016-03-26T18:50:49 < Laurenceb_> oh
2016-03-26T18:50:57 < PeterM> #rekt
2016-03-26T18:51:03 < Laurenceb_> lul sorry
2016-03-26T18:51:05 < dongs> haha hackkitten
2016-03-26T18:51:10 < dongs> fuckien dont remind me
2016-03-26T18:51:24 < dongs> he still has all the cocks in ##electronics in his hands
2016-03-26T18:52:06 < BrainDamage> i raged out of ##electronics after beaky got a like 1 month troll streak
2016-03-26T18:52:08 < PeterM> and the only cock dongs has in his hand is his own :(
2016-03-26T18:52:52 < Laurenceb_> nothing useful ever happens in #electronics
2016-03-26T18:52:56 < dongs> of course not
2016-03-26T18:52:59 < dongs> they're all dumb
2016-03-26T18:53:10 < dongs> < patrickk92_> I have a probook 4525s and a dv6-3091eo. The probook is dead from chipset. The dv6 has its power jack broken. Can i get the power jack from the probook and use it on the dv6 ?
2016-03-26T18:53:13 < PeterM> #electronics is a cesspool
2016-03-26T18:53:17 < dongs> like some dumb consumer electronics question
2016-03-26T18:53:24 < kakimir> are you okay with your gender & sexuality Laurenceb_ ?
2016-03-26T18:53:56 < Laurenceb_> kakimir is irc psychiatrist?
2016-03-26T18:54:05 < PeterM> i went into #electronics for all of like 5 mins and saw someone trying to convince someone that a lm7805 was a 36v regulator because it could take 36v o nthe input
2016-03-26T18:54:14 < PeterM> i was like ... /quit
2016-03-26T18:54:14 < kakimir> trigger__D
2016-03-26T18:54:41 < ReadError> even worse
2016-03-26T18:54:45 < PeterM> surely not trigger 8===D
2016-03-26T18:54:45 < ReadError> #arduino
2016-03-26T18:55:02 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: contact your doc and start growing boob
2016-03-26T18:55:07 < PeterM> ReadError, thats to be exoected though
2016-03-26T18:55:14 < PeterM> expected even
2016-03-26T18:55:17 < Laurenceb_> O_o no thanks
2016-03-26T18:55:29 < ReadError> kakimir has anyone ever told you that you are a very strange dude?
2016-03-26T18:55:48 < dongs> PeterM: they still put 7805 on arduinos
2016-03-26T18:55:52 < PeterM> ReadError, probably every day
2016-03-26T18:56:07 < dongs> worse: they still have mismatched headers on arduinos
2016-03-26T18:56:11 < PeterM> dongs surely not, i thought thye went pro zango lm1117
2016-03-26T18:56:28 < dongs> 1117 is only 800mA
2016-03-26T18:56:35 < dongs> you need 1A for your stack-o-shields
2016-03-26T18:56:40 < PeterM> kek
2016-03-26T18:57:02 < kakimir> It's good to build personality
2016-03-26T18:59:12 < mitrax> what a load of bullshit
2016-03-26T18:59:27 < mitrax> i'm watching the suey park segment
2016-03-26T18:59:35 < ReadError> ah ya
2016-03-26T18:59:36 < ReadError> lo
2016-03-26T18:59:58 < ReadError> she done fucked up
2016-03-26T19:00:39 < mitrax> attention seeking retard
2016-03-26T19:00:42 < mitrax>  "after that i did safe housing which is when you keep changing your location so people can't rack your whereabouts"
2016-03-26T19:01:09 < ReadError> yea i wasnt sure what that was
2016-03-26T19:01:14 < ReadError> she made it sound like a program
2016-03-26T19:01:16 < ReadError> or website
2016-03-26T19:01:26 < rewolff1> PeterM: check out: http://nl.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/vnn1nv04tr-e/n-ch-power-mosfet-omnifet-ii-40v/dp/1857789?aa=true&selectedCategoryId=&categoryId=700000043507
2016-03-26T19:01:26 < rewolff1> and then look at the continuous drain current.....
2016-03-26T19:01:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/c2kty7K.jpg
2016-03-26T19:02:17 < mitrax> ReadError: if all of that were true you'd think at that point she would stop exposing herself... but no, she goes to a tv show to whine
2016-03-26T19:02:27 < ReadError> ya
2016-03-26T19:02:30 < ReadError> she pissed me off
2016-03-26T19:02:42 < ReadError> attention seeking retard for sure
2016-03-26T19:02:51 < PeterM> rewolff1, clearly a type
2016-03-26T19:02:58 < PeterM> typo*
2016-03-26T19:03:23 < rewolff1> Typo? Nah! They insisit it is correct when I hit "report an error".
2016-03-26T19:03:40 < PeterM> well, they aren't lying
2016-03-26T19:03:51 < PeterM> it probably can do 30uA constant no problem
2016-03-26T19:03:57 < rewolff1> It says "max 30uA" somehwere in the datasheet.
2016-03-26T19:04:23 < mitrax> the gamergate thing is not in episode 1
2016-03-26T19:04:26 < rewolff1> (when specifying current at VGSth or something like that).
2016-03-26T19:04:54 < ReadError> i think its in 2
2016-03-26T19:04:54 < PeterM> Zero input voltage
2016-03-26T19:04:55 < PeterM> drain current
2016-03-26T19:05:02 < PeterM> is what is 30ua
2016-03-26T19:05:03 < ReadError> mitrax, did you see the intro
2016-03-26T19:05:11 < ReadError> with the hipster and the typewriter
2016-03-26T19:05:12 < ReadError> lol
2016-03-26T19:05:15 < mitrax> yeah ahahah
2016-03-26T19:05:17 < ReadError> i want to see that segment
2016-03-26T19:06:57 < Lux> what's a good cheap buck converter for 36V to 8V at like 100mA ?
2016-03-26T19:07:23 < dongs> what do you need 8v for
2016-03-26T19:07:27 < PeterM> AOZ1282
2016-03-26T19:07:42 < Lux> led drivers
2016-03-26T19:08:14 < Lux> http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NCL30160-D.PDF
2016-03-26T19:08:26 < Lux> the internal vreg heats it up too much
2016-03-26T19:09:29 < Lux> PeterM: thanks
2016-03-26T19:09:41 < Lux> hmm right on the edge with 36V
2016-03-26T19:09:59 < dongs> absmax 40
2016-03-26T19:10:49 < ReadError> Lux, those are decent and cheap
2016-03-26T19:10:55 < ReadError> i use them many places
2016-03-26T19:11:31 < dongs> lux how is that gonna solve the problem
2016-03-26T19:11:36 < PeterM> onsemi or alpha and omega?
2016-03-26T19:11:37 < dongs> you still need to feed vin into those?
2016-03-26T19:11:41 < kakimir> are pointers always same size?
2016-03-26T19:11:45 < Lux> dongs: no
2016-03-26T19:11:54 < kakimir> pointer itself
2016-03-26T19:12:00 < Lux> you just feed vin with 8volts
2016-03-26T19:12:06 < kakimir> generally per platform
2016-03-26T19:12:08 < ReadError> PeterM, A&O
2016-03-26T19:12:13 < PeterM> ahh yeah
2016-03-26T19:12:17 < PeterM> they're super cheap
2016-03-26T19:13:23 < PeterM> and if you're running like <26v pin compatible with like AOZ1280, which is 1.5mhz
2016-03-26T19:14:47 < dongs> what is decent and cheap
2016-03-26T19:14:55 < dongs> the only onsemi link i see is some shitty led driver
2016-03-26T19:15:50 < dongs> never mind
2016-03-26T19:15:54 < dongs> too stoned
2016-03-26T19:17:19 < PeterM> yeah, it's bear 4:20 am here...
2016-03-26T19:17:22 < PeterM> near even
2016-03-26T19:17:33 < PeterM> should sleep soonish
2016-03-26T19:18:24 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/gOoeoVX
2016-03-26T19:18:53 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/uZ1jZhx
2016-03-26T19:21:48 < PeterM> Laurenceb_, 1) not funny, 2) cite your sources, 3) not funny
2016-03-26T19:22:09 < Laurenceb_> I lolled
2016-03-26T19:26:52 < kakimir> he is just being brittish
2016-03-26T19:27:20 < kakimir> muslims, feminism and hitler get him going
2016-03-26T19:28:33 < BrainDamage> more like shitposting
2016-03-26T19:28:54 < BrainDamage> the topic is not important, it can be emdrive, or whatever bullshit 4chan cooks up
2016-03-26T19:29:16 < Laurenceb_> I'm in the mood for shitposting
2016-03-26T19:30:15 < mitrax> it's a variation of the Tourette syndrom
2016-03-26T19:30:22 < mitrax> but with shitty links
2016-03-26T19:32:03 < Laurenceb_> source https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins
2016-03-26T19:34:35 < kakimir> could it be humanoids?
2016-03-26T19:35:26 < Laurenceb_> ancient aliens
2016-03-26T19:37:21 < kakimir> yes
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2016-03-26T21:56:04 < ohsix> hahah fred armisen is krang
2016-03-26T21:58:30 < Steffanx> Whoa, it took me some googling to make sense of that.
2016-03-26T21:59:22 < Steffanx> ( i never enjoyed ninja turtles as a kid )
2016-03-26T22:00:00 < ohsix> me neither, it was alright; i dig fred armisen tho
2016-03-26T22:00:06 < ohsix> the new stuff sux
2016-03-26T22:01:05 < Steffanx> i have no clue who fred armisen is either. I guess he's not well known outside yankeeland very well
2016-03-26T22:01:28 < ohsix> oh, even here i don't think people know; he's a music / comic snl guy
2016-03-26T22:01:35 < ohsix> does portlandia
2016-03-26T22:02:36 < ohsix> bah chrome is going to kill my disks with all this swapping
2016-03-26T22:03:03 < Steffanx> Time to get more ram?
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2016-03-26T22:04:46 < ohsix> time to get less chrome
2016-03-26T22:05:16 < ohsix> bah all the funny fred armisenwhatevers are on nbc.com/hulu, might as well be a segregated internet for all that i can show people
2016-03-26T22:05:31 < Steffanx> but ram is cheap
2016-03-26T22:06:04 < ohsix> http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4641
2016-03-26T22:06:15 < ohsix> the motherboard to hold even more is not
2016-03-26T22:07:03 < Steffanx> > 32GB ?
2016-03-26T22:08:27 < ohsix> nah but that sounded cooler, it's ddr2 and there's only 4 slots; ddr2 is already expensive and even with the largest modules i can find it's not much more than what i have now
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2016-03-26T22:09:01 < ohsix> it's an older computer that unfortunately is still really good at everything :<
2016-03-26T22:09:22 < ohsix> i just have too many things in chrome, even with just a handful chrome isn't very good at things
2016-03-26T22:10:03 < Steffanx> No script, no flash helps a lot most of the time.
2016-03-26T22:10:36 < ohsix> yea i have some stuff
2016-03-26T22:10:48 < ohsix> it's the actual 'chrome' of the browser that's usually messing stuff up, the tabs are fine
2016-03-26T22:11:35 < ohsix> probably need a video card with more memory for maximum betterness
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2016-03-26T23:48:01 < Rob235> anyone know of a small monochrome lcd ( 1 inch or less) with decent resolution and good refresh rate
2016-03-26T23:48:55 < jadew> Rob235, look for those small OLED displays
2016-03-26T23:49:02 < jadew> they'll probably fit your requirements
2016-03-26T23:49:14 < Rob235> oled won't work
2016-03-26T23:49:32 < jadew> has to be LCD?
2016-03-26T23:50:14 < Rob235> yea I want to shine a light through it that will project onto a wall
2016-03-26T23:50:30 < jadew> ah
2016-03-26T23:51:08 < jadew> no idea then... there are projectors that do that already, you might consider looking into a readily available one
2016-03-26T23:51:09 < Rob235> the idea just popped into my head, just looking into how possible it really is to get what I'm looking for
2016-03-26T23:52:24 < jadew> and you may even contact some of those kickstarters and ask them for what projectors they use, because most of them can project darkness too
2016-03-26T23:52:32 < jadew> </sarcasm>
2016-03-26T23:52:54 < Rob235> it has to be really small, I'd be 3d printing (don't have a printer yet) a housing for everything and it would be handheld
2016-03-26T23:53:16 < jadew> Rob235, yeah, I'm pretty sure there are super tiny ones already available
2016-03-26T23:53:26 < jadew> even in HD & color
2016-03-26T23:53:47 < jadew> so you may find a monochrome one easily
2016-03-26T23:54:17 < Rob235> well its good to know it should work
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2016-03-26T23:54:49 < Sync> just get a sanyo laz0r projector
2016-03-26T23:55:00 < kakimir> sup power puff girls
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2016-03-26T23:55:43  * jadew is writing code
2016-03-26T23:56:00 < jadew> best kind of writing
2016-03-26T23:57:31 < jadew> I wonder if you could find a job as a code critic at a magazine
2016-03-26T23:58:53 < jadew> Pandora rocks
--- Day changed Sun Mar 27 2016
2016-03-27T00:00:05 < kakimir> 90's artist pandora?
2016-03-27T00:00:56 < XTL> Korg Pandora?
2016-03-27T00:01:06 < jadew> kakimir, what do you mean?
2016-03-27T00:02:16 < jadew> kakimir, pandora the music streaming site
2016-03-27T00:03:37 < kakimir> what do I mean? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23Aco6a9TOE
2016-03-27T00:03:58 < jadew> haha, that sounds so 90's
2016-03-27T00:05:02 < Rob235> I'm thinking about making an air mouse for my htpc and was thinking how to display a user interface, I was between lcd on the device, on screen display on the htpc or projecting a menu on the wall above the tv
2016-03-27T00:05:21 < jadew> better than the emo shit we have to hear these days
2016-03-27T00:06:13 < kakimir> very good
2016-03-27T00:06:34 < kakimir> afraid of your interrogation
2016-03-27T00:06:38 < kakimir> of leds
2016-03-27T00:09:53 < kakimir> is there by the way dummy packages?
2016-03-27T00:10:05 < kakimir> if you need to figure your reflow process
2016-03-27T00:10:24 < kakimir> you could throw some plain packs in
2016-03-27T00:12:18 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-27T00:12:56 < kakimir> is Manncorp your employer crt ?
2016-03-27T00:13:34 < kakimir> you make these machines?
2016-03-27T00:13:38 < kakimir> and these videos?
2016-03-27T00:14:42 < kakimir> nice man
2016-03-27T00:14:50 < kakimir> I need to pick up some drunks>
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2016-03-27T00:17:45 < jadew> you can't refuse family
2016-03-27T00:28:12 < ohsix> nice, more people here are looking for the jail than the library
2016-03-27T00:28:20 < ohsix> google, you depress me
2016-03-27T00:35:51 < ohsix> heh weird
2016-03-27T00:35:56 < ohsix> subaru vins have turning diameter in them
2016-03-27T00:36:11 < ohsix> probably because the suspension has an adjustment that needs it
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2016-03-27T00:36:23 < ohsix> no engine size though???????
2016-03-27T00:37:33 < ohsix> there's a big 2n4033 mounted to the wall of the engine bay for the distributor
2016-03-27T00:38:17 < ohsix> subaru still had single point fuel injection well into the 90s
2016-03-27T00:38:20 < ohsix> witha  distributor
2016-03-27T00:39:04 < jadew> where are we with electric car autonomy so far?
2016-03-27T00:39:09 < jadew> 400km?
2016-03-27T00:40:19 < jadew> unless they implement that battery swapping thing all over the world, I don't think a lot of people will go full electric
2016-03-27T00:40:35 < jadew> I wouldn't go outside the city with an electric car
2016-03-27T00:40:52 < jadew> in case of an emergency, you're fucked
2016-03-27T00:42:10 < BrainDamage> battery swapping has some logistic problem, it means you need to start renting batteries rather than just charin
2016-03-27T00:42:34 < Laurenceb_> anyone want to say whats wrong with my Qt codez?
2016-03-27T00:42:36 < Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/Txk0r1eN
2016-03-27T00:42:43 < BrainDamage> because batteries wear down considerably, and i doubt you'd want to swap your fresh new pack with a worn down one from some random jerk
2016-03-27T00:43:02 < Laurenceb_> its supposed to keep dash patterns consistent as old points are removed on scrolling graphs
2016-03-27T00:43:15 < Laurenceb_> does the basic logic look sane?
2016-03-27T00:43:30 < jadew> BrainDamage, I would assume the swap companies would take care of it and it would be reflected in the price of the swap
2016-03-27T00:43:50 < jadew> but yeah, you wouldn't want to swap your new battery for a used one, that's for sure
2016-03-27T00:44:06 < BrainDamage> in that case it's best if you don't own the pack and just rent it
2016-03-27T00:44:19 < jadew> yeah
2016-03-27T00:44:19 < BrainDamage> or have 2 storage slots, one for temp storage, and one for your on property
2016-03-27T00:44:38 < Sync> BrainDamage: the leasing models are completely shiet
2016-03-27T00:47:42 < Steffanx> oh no, Sync goes kakimir.
2016-03-27T00:47:46 < Steffanx> ( shiet )
2016-03-27T00:48:36 < ohsix> most car emergencies immobilize them :D electric or not
2016-03-27T00:49:30 < BrainDamage> it's not just emergencies, it's about long distance trips
2016-03-27T00:49:50 < BrainDamage> try to do a trip longer than 2/3 of the autonomy without daily stops
2016-03-27T00:49:58 < ohsix> rent a car for long trips
2016-03-27T00:50:09 < ohsix> the same type of logic has you owning a truck if you only put something in the back twice a year
2016-03-27T00:50:19 < ohsix> or flyyyyy
2016-03-27T00:50:28 < BrainDamage> the logic is more on a grand scale
2016-03-27T00:50:43 < ohsix> (almost all the people i know that own a truck bought it to haul stuff and do it less than once a year)
2016-03-27T00:51:10 < Steffanx> crt:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HtyF0jux2Q
2016-03-27T00:51:29 < BrainDamage> rather than your own usage
2016-03-27T00:51:29 < BrainDamage> how to convert everything to electric, even if it's not strictly necessary
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2016-03-27T00:52:21 < ohsix> why would you pessimize for 'long trips' anyways, when you drive less than 30 miles typically any time you use the car, less than 1% of the time it'll be something else ;D
2016-03-27T00:52:36 < ohsix> (modulo job in urban area that might require a commute)
2016-03-27T00:53:14 < BrainDamage> because there're a whole cathegory of jobs that require long distance mobility compared to commuting routes
2016-03-27T00:53:51 < BrainDamage> so you either allow an exception, or figure out a solution
2016-03-27T00:53:58 < ohsix> then you don't own an electric car
2016-03-27T00:54:04 < ohsix> but everyone else can
2016-03-27T00:54:06 < jadew> even if you take long trips only a couple of times a year
2016-03-27T00:54:15 < jadew> when you do take them, you need a car that can take you there
2016-03-27T00:54:19 < ohsix> if you rent a car you don't pay for maintenance the rest of the year too
2016-03-27T00:54:22 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-27T00:54:33 < ohsix> just bored of seeing people 'argue' about electric cars like that, it doesn't make sense
2016-03-27T00:54:38 < jadew> renting is not the same tho, it's an extra headache
2016-03-27T00:54:46 < jadew> what if you have to take that trip in the middle of the night, tonight
2016-03-27T00:54:48 < ohsix> i have car and a bike, the bike does almost all the work, the car costs the most just to sit there
2016-03-27T00:55:03 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-27T00:55:04 < BrainDamage> i don't have a car at all
2016-03-27T00:55:11 < ohsix> what if all the roads explode simultaneously
2016-03-27T00:55:12 < jadew> me neither
2016-03-27T00:55:19 < jadew> my wife has a car tho
2016-03-27T00:55:28 < ohsix> but if that happened i would probably borrow a car
2016-03-27T00:56:01 < ohsix> but realistically i would get a rental when i could, there are so few emergencies where a car will get you there in a useful timeframe and you can't wait to go
2016-03-27T00:56:11 < ohsix> if you drive a 60 miles it'll take an hour
2016-03-27T00:56:54 < jadew> there's more to it, comodity, not having to go through the trouble of finding a car and reliability
2016-03-27T00:57:01 < jadew> you know the state your car is in
2016-03-27T00:57:28 < ohsix> not the people i know
2016-03-27T00:57:30 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-27T00:57:58 < ohsix> some people own newer cars that can handle it, but the other people wouldn't want to go more than a hundred without a very thorough check of all the fluids, lights, tires
2016-03-27T00:58:09 < jadew> also, you may not be able find a rental that fits all your requirements for full comfort and peace of mind
2016-03-27T00:58:11 < ohsix> which you should do anyways, but they dont' know if their car can do x miles
2016-03-27T00:58:29 < ohsix> ya you really need to rent that high end sedan when you race to wherever you're going because someone died
2016-03-27T00:59:13 < jadew> you don't, but when you go on a vacation, you kinda want to feel good in it
2016-03-27T01:00:51 < ohsix> anyways
2016-03-27T01:00:55 < ohsix> this is why i have an airplane too
2016-03-27T01:01:01 < ohsix> and a helicopter
2016-03-27T01:01:06 < ohsix> depends on how far i want to go and how fast
2016-03-27T01:01:22 < ohsix> don't use the helicopter that often but for real clutch scenarios it's super important
2016-03-27T01:01:25 < jadew> if I could afford one, I'd get one, just in case
2016-03-27T01:01:29 < ohsix> it costs like 200k a year in fuel and maint and storage
2016-03-27T01:01:30 < jadew> it's the same with the cars
2016-03-27T01:01:45 < ohsix> but i don't have to call someone ono the phone to take it out
2016-03-27T01:01:48 < jadew> we can afford a car
2016-03-27T01:01:50 < ohsix> just that fucking control tower
2016-03-27T01:01:53 < ohsix> the bastards
2016-03-27T01:02:56 < ohsix> anyways ya i get the arguments, they don't make sense :> cars are very expensive
2016-03-27T01:03:00 < jadew> I bought a compressor I never use
2016-03-27T01:03:05 < ohsix> same
2016-03-27T01:03:12 < ohsix> i had it for 2 years and didn't use it so i sold it
2016-03-27T01:03:33 < jadew> I only use it to blow up my son's toys
2016-03-27T01:03:39 < jadew> I know I will use it tho
2016-03-27T01:03:53 < jadew> and when I need one, it'll be there
2016-03-27T01:05:30 < jadew> when you'll need a compressor you'll have to buy a new one :P
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2016-03-27T01:22:32 < englishman> <ohsix> cars are very expensive
2016-03-27T01:22:36 < englishman> says the helicopter owner???
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2016-03-27T01:24:18 < kakimir> I have a bicycle
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2016-03-27T01:53:35 < zyp> dongs, mailed you gerbers and shit for nfcboard with less fuckups
2016-03-27T01:53:50 < zyp> think I got origin and metric and shit right this time
2016-03-27T01:57:00 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcJ6UdDx1vg you don't want to use bigger(physical length) caps than you need to
2016-03-27T01:57:36 < kakimir> in like high performance chip supply pins
2016-03-27T01:58:24 < BrainDamage> it's not hard, the physically larger, the higher the parasitic inductance
2016-03-27T01:58:38 < BrainDamage> when 1/sqrt(LC) is reached, the thing stop behaving like a capacitor
2016-03-27T01:58:43 < kakimir> especially the distance between pads
2016-03-27T01:59:09 < kakimir> he also told what my guru has told us... do not fuck up with multi capacitance bypass caps
2016-03-27T01:59:12 < BrainDamage> which is also why multiple caps are often used to filter supplies
2016-03-27T01:59:28 < BrainDamage> it's possible to get it right
2016-03-27T01:59:33 < Laurenceb_> anyone want to look at my Qt crap and tell me where I went wrong?
2016-03-27T01:59:36 < Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/Txk0r1eN
2016-03-27T01:59:43 < BrainDamage> but you need to account everything, inc traces
2016-03-27T01:59:53 < kakimir> you need careful calculations and simulations I think BrainDamage
2016-03-27T01:59:58 < Laurenceb_> I'm trying to keep dash patterns consistent and old data is removed using offsets
2016-03-27T02:00:01 < kakimir> and measurements
2016-03-27T02:00:50 < BrainDamage> kakimir: yes ofc, not everyone puts 1000 vias just because he feels like it, you know, you can learn proper science, engineering and math
2016-03-27T02:01:59 < kakimir> BrainDamage: excess vias rarelly hurt
2016-03-27T02:02:39 < BrainDamage> neither excess filtering caps, except when it does
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2016-03-27T02:03:54 < kakimir> rule of thumb is to use same size in multiples if you don't know what you are doing
2016-03-27T02:05:11 < kakimir> BrainDamage: show me a case when excess vias in plain area cause a problem?
2016-03-27T02:06:07 < BrainDamage> when you heatsink to components which are temp sensitive and need high precision
2016-03-27T02:06:15 < BrainDamage> eg oscillators and crystals
2016-03-27T02:07:15 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-27T02:08:18 < dongs> zyp, noted
2016-03-27T02:08:30 < dongs> will take a look in a bit, probly submit p0cb monday
2016-03-27T02:08:32 < dongs> need to drive out
2016-03-27T02:08:55 < kakimir> you definitelly not heatsink some precision stuff with excess vias
2016-03-27T02:09:05 < kakimir> you propably even seperate it somehow
2016-03-27T02:09:45 < BrainDamage> yes, you want a proper thermal design with isolated area
2016-03-27T02:11:01 < kakimir> do you imply you should go extra careful with basic main oscillator and stuff?
2016-03-27T02:11:07 < kakimir> and not use vias around
2016-03-27T02:11:17 < BrainDamage> no unless you need that
2016-03-27T02:11:34 < kakimir> *crystal that is not even temperature compensated
2016-03-27T02:11:52 < BrainDamage> the point is that having a bit of indepth knowledge lets you decide when pytting the extra care is necessary or when it's just assburgering
2016-03-27T02:11:58 < BrainDamage> i said precision not by chance
2016-03-27T02:12:21 < BrainDamage> and guess what, being able to quantify things helps, errors, inductances, etc
2016-03-27T02:12:40 < BrainDamage> even if it's just a ballpark value
2016-03-27T02:13:38 < BrainDamage> "i need an error of 10^-6, this oscillator has a thermal drift of 10^-4/°C, should i bother with thermal management?"
2016-03-27T02:18:02 < kakimir> sounds tricky
2016-03-27T02:19:10 < kakimir> you propably need to change that oscillator
2016-03-27T02:20:34 < kakimir> answer is you should not even bother to try
2016-03-27T02:20:47 < BrainDamage> correct
2016-03-27T02:23:08 < kakimir> was that all to it?
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2016-03-27T02:28:38 < kakimir> school me another day!
2016-03-27T02:40:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/XZURkKb.png exposed
2016-03-27T02:41:33 < jadew> lol
2016-03-27T02:41:51 < jadew> took me a while to realize where I've seen it before
2016-03-27T02:42:22 < jadew> it looks exactly the same
2016-03-27T02:42:33 < dongs> thats beacuse non-free tools were used to make that logo
2016-03-27T02:42:41 < jadew> haha
2016-03-27T02:43:10 < dongs> its kinda like that find few yeras ago of photoshop metadata in  canonical wallpaper images
2016-03-27T02:43:15 < jadew> I wonder if they comissioned it or if someone from the team figured, hmm, I'll boot up my fav OS and make a logo
2016-03-27T02:43:26 < dongs> its prettty obvious even the companies trying to push lunix dontr wanna have anything to do wiht actually running it
2016-03-27T02:43:55 < dongs> i mean when you go and make a very simple brown wallpaper in photoshop instead of THE GIMP...
2016-03-27T02:44:15 < jadew> let me post that in #debian
2016-03-27T02:44:21 < dongs> haha
2016-03-27T02:44:27 < dongs> im banned, so retweet any interesting responses
2016-03-27T02:44:31 < dongs> ask for official comment.
2016-03-27T02:45:04 < jadew> I will :)
2016-03-27T02:46:58 < dongs> http://files.linuxgizmos.com/beaglecore_bcm1_angle.jpg nice chip inductors
2016-03-27T02:47:30 < jadew> nobody said anything yet
2016-03-27T02:48:42 < Sync> dongs: it's old news
2016-03-27T02:48:53 < jadew> the debian logo?
2016-03-27T02:49:05 < dongs> Sync: sorry.
2016-03-27T02:49:09 < dongs> who got fired over it?
2016-03-27T02:49:46 < jadew> you can't fire the $2.5/one-time-project designer from Indian
2016-03-27T02:49:50 < jadew> *India
2016-03-27T04:04:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/mQkspc1.jpg
2016-03-27T04:04:56 < dongs> looks good
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2016-03-27T04:20:21 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: http://static.naamapalmu.com/files/uf/big/wyzlat1j.png
2016-03-27T04:21:22 < dongs> I have to note with a slight chuckle the two reference designators (R22 and U4) that are larger than the rest. It’s a purely cosmetic mistake which I recognize because I’ve done it myself several times. From the look of the board, I’m guessing it was designed using Altium. Automatic ECOs in Altium introduce new parts with a goofy huge default designator size, and it’s easy to miss the difference.
2016-03-27T04:21:33 < dongs> yeah because its SO hard to change default silkscreen size in preferences
2016-03-27T04:21:36 < dongs> thats like first thing I do
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2016-03-27T04:58:16 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: wut
2016-03-27T04:58:26 < Laurenceb_> image doesnt match text
2016-03-27T05:01:34 < kakimir> it's most likely finnish paint art
2016-03-27T05:12:30 < ohsix> humpies
2016-03-27T05:13:28 < ohsix> after hours and hours of trying hardscrabble to get info on truck, i found a book i knew whe had when i was a kid but thought was lost that has all the figures and everything i needed in it
2016-03-27T05:14:36 < ohsix> sup dongs
2016-03-27T05:16:05 < ohsix> dongs: designers basically use photoshop full stop, and illustrator olol
2016-03-27T05:16:14 < ohsix> there's no 'open source designer'
2016-03-27T05:18:10 < Thorn> do VFDs really start from $30-$60
2016-03-27T05:20:57 < ohsix> yes
2016-03-27T05:21:02 < ohsix> both the display and the drive \m/
2016-03-27T05:22:14 < Thorn> wtf why are they used in consumer products then
2016-03-27T05:22:21 < Thorn> my microwave has one
2016-03-27T05:22:30 < jadew> they are bright
2016-03-27T05:22:33 < ohsix> if you buy a lot the price goes down
2016-03-27T05:22:34 < jadew> and look cool
2016-03-27T05:22:45 < ohsix> white goods ~= the biggest 'lot' there is
2016-03-27T05:25:47 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: but they were obviously pretty lazy
2016-03-27T05:27:55 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39772.0;attach=1107030;image
2016-03-27T05:27:58 < Laurenceb_> aliens
2016-03-27T05:29:04 < dongs> my OCD is totally killing me. when I make a room in altidong for some reason it doens't align on grids so when I try moving it, all parts inside of it become aligned offset from 0.1mm grid
2016-03-27T05:29:19 < dongs> I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
2016-03-27T05:31:31 < Laurenceb_> wtf are you reading?
2016-03-27T05:31:39 < Laurenceb_> autium ?
2016-03-27T05:32:28 < dongs> bingo
2016-03-27T05:35:28 < jadew> lol Laurenceb
2016-03-27T05:40:20 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39772.msg1508431#msg1508431
2016-03-27T05:40:25 < Laurenceb_> heh emdrive is dead
2016-03-27T05:41:25 < dongs> thankfully
2016-03-27T05:41:32 < dongs> you can finally stop pasting shit about it
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2016-03-27T05:42:05 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-27T05:50:12 < ReadError> i dont get that post
2016-03-27T05:51:28 < dongs> how to get stoned, emdrive edition
2016-03-27T05:52:32 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/vtggSilDT0o?t=15s
2016-03-27T05:54:16 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGZEvNYWdOQ
2016-03-27T05:54:52 < dongs> completly fucking useless
2016-03-27T05:54:55 < dongs> assburger tech
2016-03-27T05:54:56 < ReadError> i dont get that either
2016-03-27T05:55:21 < dongs> the obsesesion with nixie tube type shit
2016-03-27T05:55:30 < dongs> also lol @ fucking breadboaded garbage
2016-03-27T05:55:35 < dongs> one breath on it and it al lfalls part
2016-03-27T05:56:25 < Thorn> it's not nixie, it's vfd
2016-03-27T05:56:30 < dongs> same fucking shit man
2016-03-27T05:56:35 < dongs> they're both equally useless.
2016-03-27T05:59:17 < Thorn> looks like they're quite cheap too
2016-03-27T05:59:37 < dongs> kinda like lunix
2016-03-27T05:59:43 < dongs> cheap/free if time is worthless
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2016-03-27T06:09:04 < Thorn> https://hsto.org/storage2/392/215/7a8/3922157a86dc18c656d6cbbf3786d83a.jpg
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2016-03-27T06:12:14 < ohsix> is autium a blog or something, taht sounds funny
2016-03-27T06:12:18 < ohsix> or twitter account
2016-03-27T06:14:50 < ohsix> this subaru i've been fucking with has a neat thing in the distributor for the crank position, it's like from a mouse with a ball; phase wheel with like 2000 positions on it
2016-03-27T06:15:09 < ohsix> i wanna write the software for ecms :< they do neat stuff
2016-03-27T06:15:42 < ohsix> the part is used in hundreds of cars but they're like 70$
2016-03-27T06:15:49 < ohsix> rsb-07 ingition module
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2016-03-27T06:16:10 < ohsix> er i keep forgetting this channel has a topic, sorry
2016-03-27T06:20:24 < ohsix> http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/search.oap?keyword=121g
2016-03-27T06:20:25 < ohsix> hahah
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2016-03-27T06:50:27 < englishman> there are no stm32 ecus sorry
2016-03-27T06:50:36 < ohsix> rusure
2016-03-27T06:50:36 < englishman> the only opensores one is some 8bit motorola shit
2016-03-27T06:51:04 < ohsix> oh, yea; i just meant real time control, where you're reading an encoder for a cranksaft position
2016-03-27T06:51:23 < englishman> input capture on stm32 timer, done
2016-03-27T06:51:42 < ohsix> if i really wanted to so bad i could probably put a code wheel on a little 2 stroke motor and trigger the spark doodad whenever, change timing with throttle and watnot
2016-03-27T06:51:43 < englishman> what kind of airplane do you have
2016-03-27T06:51:55 < ohsix> one suitable for an argument and not much else
2016-03-27T06:52:05 < englishman> that is exactly what simple ecus like the opensores one do.
2016-03-27T06:52:15 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-27T06:52:37 < ohsix> youc an get really horrible two stroke engines from harbor freight for like 60bux too ;D
2016-03-27T06:52:45 < englishman> timing only is pretty simple, it was done with solidstate shit after all.
2016-03-27T06:53:02 < ohsix> yea with vacuum advance
2016-03-27T06:53:15 < ohsix> other stuff has the same timing through the rpm range
2016-03-27T06:53:35 < englishman> earlier yes, then bikes with pressure sensors and throttle sensore
2016-03-27T06:53:49 < englishman> to dick with timing
2016-03-27T06:54:17 < englishman> now its just more variables in the 20,000 or so in a bosch ecu
2016-03-27T06:54:34 < ohsix> heheheh looking at prices for this module, EVERYONE has 50$ markup
2016-03-27T06:54:41 < ohsix> some have 200% markup
2016-03-27T06:54:44 < englishman> ^ quote from that ccc talk on dieselgate
2016-03-27T06:54:54 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-27T06:55:00 < ohsix> hm
2016-03-27T06:55:09 < englishman> it was a cool talk you should check it out
2016-03-27T06:55:11 < ohsix> i went through this years ccc videos and missed that one, wats the title
2016-03-27T06:55:15 < englishman> good for 60 minutes or so of assburgering
2016-03-27T06:55:27 < englishman> dono but dieselgate was in teh title
2016-03-27T06:55:56 < ohsix> ah
2016-03-27T06:56:08 < ohsix> i see it
2016-03-27T06:56:40 < ohsix> are there any books on this stuff
2016-03-27T06:56:50 < ohsix> oooooooh sae has one, springer has one on control and modelling
2016-03-27T06:58:04 < dongs> < ohsix> or twitter account
2016-03-27T06:58:07 < dongs> yo ushould start one
2016-03-27T06:58:19 < ohsix> i don't use altium enough to have ocd quips
2016-03-27T06:58:30 < ohsix> you need material bruv
2016-03-27T06:59:13 < ohsix> i'd sure like to see if i could find a serial port on the subaru ecu i'm dicking with, getting some more info than the basic blinking lights would be awesome
2016-03-27T06:59:37 < ohsix> http://bookzz.org/md5/991c46085cd4f58ace10bc9bfe788ce3
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2016-03-27T07:19:59 < ReadError> LGBTQI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer or questioning or intersex)
2016-03-27T07:21:06 < PeterM> ohsix, thats also a tarduino ecu/ems that i cant rememebr the name of that is really popular
2016-03-27T07:23:06 < ohsix> neat
2016-03-27T07:23:09 < ohsix> will have to look
2016-03-27T07:26:54 < ohsix> i have a bike i want to put one of those chinese motor kits on too
2016-03-27T07:27:36 < ohsix> PeterM: speeduino?
2016-03-27T07:27:43 < PeterM> like 2 stroke or electronics?
2016-03-27T07:27:48 < PeterM> no
2016-03-27T07:27:56 < PeterM> oratleast not that i remember
2016-03-27T07:31:05 < ohsix> the arduino thing
2016-03-27T07:31:24 < ohsix> all i'd want for the subaru ecu is a list of no start conditions, there's a starter cutout relay
2016-03-27T07:31:33 < ohsix> it probably is one of the sensors but i dunno
2016-03-27T07:35:48 < englishman> if youre thinking of megasquirt, its not arduino but some other 8bit
2016-03-27T07:36:57 < PeterM> megasquirt sounds liek a catagory on pornhub
2016-03-27T07:38:14 < ohsix> looks legit
2016-03-27T07:39:01 < ohsix> http://megasquirt.info/products/pro-controllers/microsquirt/
2016-03-27T07:39:07 < ohsix> lolol
2016-03-27T07:39:32 < ohsix> all 'regular' people know about ecus is that they are megabux to replace and they can't be repaired
2016-03-27T07:41:35 < englishman> 68HC908GP32
2016-03-27T07:41:43 < englishman> with 512b ram
2016-03-27T07:46:49 < ReadError> this 'Vox' youtube channel is pretty kewl
2016-03-27T07:47:49 < ohsix> subject matter?
2016-03-27T07:48:00 < ReadError> its about everything
2016-03-27T07:48:06 < ohsix> hm heh, youtube should have a classification system ;D
2016-03-27T07:48:14 < ohsix> like lccn
2016-03-27T07:48:22 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Oqm6eO6deU
2016-03-27T07:48:37 < ReadError> haha i remember the glowing puck
2016-03-27T07:49:03 < ReadError> wow so the people that did the glowing puck, made the yellow line for the NFL
2016-03-27T07:49:29 < ohsix> 'why isis attacked brussels'
2016-03-27T07:50:07 < ohsix> ah
2016-03-27T07:50:10 < ohsix> it's vox.com
2016-03-27T07:50:27 < ohsix> can't remember the dudes name
2016-03-27T07:51:18 < ReadError> woh
2016-03-27T07:51:25 < ReadError> the add placement shit is nuts
2016-03-27T07:51:27 < ReadError> ad*
2016-03-27T07:54:19 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnMKCHqXLow
2016-03-27T07:54:23 < ReadError> i knew this shit was rigged
2016-03-27T07:55:37 < ohsix> they are vendor adjustable
2016-03-27T07:55:43 < ReadError> yea
2016-03-27T07:55:46 < ReadError> it talks about that
2016-03-27T07:55:50 < ohsix> there are some legit ones but nobody is cool
2016-03-27T07:55:53 < ReadError> and the drop settings
2016-03-27T07:56:20 < ohsix> er
2016-03-27T07:56:43 < ohsix> randomly making it weak probably isn't legal
2016-03-27T07:56:58 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY96hTb8WgI "It's not you. Bad doors are everywhere."
2016-03-27T07:57:54 < ohsix> if you want me to watch you gotta slow down a bit olol
2016-03-27T07:58:08 < ReadError> ok ill wait till you catch up
2016-03-27T07:58:09 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DJQPMRdZ_I this could be interesting but im fuckign struggling wiht the speaker
2016-03-27T07:59:00 < ohsix> i did find some manuals for new / weird 'chance' machines and found ways to 'cheat' sort of
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2016-03-27T08:04:19 < ohsix> ReadError: lewl there;s a bar on the door so people don't get prints on the glass
2016-03-27T08:04:34 < ReadError> yea but it should be a flat piece
2016-03-27T08:04:37 < ReadError> makes sense
2016-03-27T08:05:10 < ohsix> it should be discoverable ya
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2016-03-27T08:05:41 < ohsix> PeterM: why 'with vxworks', does it do something novel?
2016-03-27T08:06:09 < ohsix> oh, it is about haxing a thing that uses vxworks in a vxworks specific way?
2016-03-27T08:07:12 < ohsix> the conf schedule for all that shit is gr8, gives you something to read/watch through winter :) (defcon, ccc, the lunix ones)
2016-03-27T08:08:16 < ohsix> ReadError: that 99% invisible design pudcast seems interesting
2016-03-27T08:08:46 < ReadError> hah yea thats actually where i ended up
2016-03-27T08:10:37 < ohsix> http://blog.archive.org/2016/03/23/three-takeaways-after-logging-1032-political-ads-in-the-primaries/
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2016-03-27T08:10:54 < ReadError> the trump shit is pretty crazy
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2016-03-27T08:12:34 < ohsix> all the anti kasich ads kind of are too
2016-03-27T08:13:00 < ohsix> he's kind of irrelevant but they're still running ads against him
2016-03-27T08:13:56 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZKDmYfhMhQ
2016-03-27T08:13:57 < ReadError> this
2016-03-27T08:14:36 < ReadError> Why Bernie Sanders tuawks that way -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waeXBCUkuL8
2016-03-27T08:14:56 < ohsix> wow a lot of women watch jimmy kimmel
2016-03-27T08:16:04 < ohsix> yea that guy, ezra klein
2016-03-27T08:16:12 < ohsix> he's the vox guy
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2016-03-27T08:17:21 < ohsix> don't need him telling me this huhuhu, who has to be told this?
2016-03-27T08:17:34 < ReadError> wat
2016-03-27T08:18:52 < ohsix> (ezra klein, trump)
2016-03-27T08:23:30 < ohsix> the illustrations in the vox videos are top notch
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2016-03-27T08:23:41 < ReadError> yea lots of good shit
2016-03-27T08:24:23 < jadew> what are you watching?
2016-03-27T08:24:32 < ReadError> random Vox vids on youtube
2016-03-27T08:24:57 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/user/voxdotcom/videos
2016-03-27T08:25:02 < ohsix> my x-girlfriends something something, bernie was in a movie
2016-03-27T08:25:34 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABUuFJU71PY
2016-03-27T08:25:39 < ReadError> oh shit ohsix
2016-03-27T08:25:44 < ReadError> one about Broad City
2016-03-27T08:26:12 < ohsix> gonna start pronouncing the h in what/where/when
2016-03-27T08:26:39 < jadew> so that Vox guy is using black lives matters as the "protesters" that need protecting?
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2016-03-27T08:26:51 < ohsix> no
2016-03-27T08:26:52 < jadew> that's a poor choice of background images
2016-03-27T08:27:04 < ohsix> oh, maybe; didn't notice
2016-03-27T08:27:27 < ohsix> it is pretty plain what point he's trying to make, bad image choice isn't a symbolic thing :p
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2016-03-27T08:30:09 < ohsix> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120488/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_2
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2016-03-27T08:30:43 < jadew> ohsix, what about it?
2016-03-27T08:31:02 < jadew> recommendation?
2016-03-27T08:31:02 < ohsix> that's the movie he was in
2016-03-27T08:31:09 < jadew> who?
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2016-03-27T08:31:15 < jadew> Trump?
2016-03-27T08:31:17 < ohsix> bernie sanders :o
2016-03-27T08:31:24 < ohsix> huhuhuhu trump was in a movie too
2016-03-27T08:31:26 < ohsix> hang on
2016-03-27T08:32:48 < ohsix> someone did a scene release recently too so you can actually get it, http://predb.me/?search=ghosts%20cant%20do%20it
2016-03-27T08:33:52 < ohsix> definitely pirate it, otherwise trump might get some money :<
2016-03-27T08:34:29 < ohsix> the bits with donald trump from vhs versions or something are on youtube too
2016-03-27T08:34:45 < jadew> yeah, watching it now
2016-03-27T08:34:54 < jadew> who do you think will win the elections?
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2016-03-27T08:35:40 < ohsix> no idea
2016-03-27T08:35:59 < ohsix> not a big guesser or try-to-knower in this area, too squishy
2016-03-27T08:36:35 < jadew> when I first heard of Trump, he was seen as a joke
2016-03-27T08:36:46 < jadew> now it looks like a lot of people are going to vote for him
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2016-03-27T08:37:16 < jadew> I didn't follow anything of what any of the candidates had to say or promissed tho
2016-03-27T08:38:06 < ohsix> people are vindictive, scared and racist, if they vote then it's a valid way to go
2016-03-27T08:38:30 < ohsix> i kind of though that stuff was over but old people are still around
2016-03-27T08:38:54 < jadew> I think it's the fault of the current wave of SJWs
2016-03-27T08:39:05 < ohsix> my  mom is crazy racist and hates hillarly clinton but can't stand any scrutiny
2016-03-27T08:39:30 < jadew> they're very disruptive (the SJWs)
2016-03-27T08:39:36 < ohsix> i think sjws don't need to exist for people to project onto them as a group of people that are 'the enemy'
2016-03-27T08:40:21 < jadew> don't know, I think that if they didn't exist, they'd be more "liberal"
2016-03-27T08:40:38 < ohsix> people can just be people then sideswiped by someone that doesn't like something they did or an opinion they held, and they get the label with it; it is not the labeled persons problem
2016-03-27T08:40:41 < jadew> which is what happened in the past, until everyone went nuts over everything silly and stupid
2016-03-27T08:41:32 < ohsix> it is essential to have a third party to descend on them to identify the 'behaviour' and by definition they're the out group
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2016-03-27T08:42:14 < ohsix> i don't even understand the concept of hate, so ... yea
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2016-03-27T08:43:37 < ohsix> everything that might make me hate a person is an identifiable behaviour i can avoid or not prompt, then it is that person that does a thing i don't like; i'll leave or not talk to them but i'm not gonnah ate them
2016-03-27T08:44:01 < jadew> ohsix, depends on what they did
2016-03-27T08:44:06 < ohsix> it is simple to create a cadre of oppressive forces
2016-03-27T08:44:17 < jadew> there are things that people are more sensitive about
2016-03-27T08:44:23 < jadew> and those things varry from person to person
2016-03-27T08:44:32 < jadew> but others are generally true
2016-03-27T08:44:37 < ohsix> i think i would be consistent up to and including grave bodily harm
2016-03-27T08:44:38 < jadew> for example, if someone steals from the poor
2016-03-27T08:44:50 < jadew> even if you don't have that issue, you're not going to like that person a lot
2016-03-27T08:45:01 < jadew> in fact, you might even punch him/her in the face if you get the chance
2016-03-27T08:45:20 < ohsix> one thing generally does not represent a person overriding all other things
2016-03-27T08:45:46 < ohsix> kind of like uh, competence in one area does not imply competence in another
2016-03-27T08:45:46 < jadew> can you please explain?
2016-03-27T08:46:04 < jadew> so you mean that someone shouldn't be judged by the one action?
2016-03-27T08:46:23 < ohsix> there are no discrete actions, but sort of, maybe
2016-03-27T08:46:28 < jadew> I agree, however the kind of behaviours that end up in "hate" are usually repetitive
2016-03-27T08:47:04 < ohsix> i mean if like someone farts in your car or house constantly but he's still your friend or neighbor or is good at something else with respect to you
2016-03-27T08:47:25 < jadew> that's obviously not a reason for hate
2016-03-27T08:47:31 < ohsix> right
2016-03-27T08:47:50 < ohsix> but it is a reason to say to a third person 'x farts in my car all the time'
2016-03-27T08:48:06 < jadew> for example, Romanians are very non-racist, because we never deal with many other races
2016-03-27T08:48:20 < jadew> in fact, most of us are curious and that's about it
2016-03-27T08:48:34 < jadew> however, we have gypsies in here and most of them do a lot of crappy shit
2016-03-27T08:48:36 < ohsix> being relatively innocuous was the point, they don't have to be bombing abortion clinics
2016-03-27T08:48:51 < ohsix> heh werd
2016-03-27T08:49:06 < ohsix> i lived in vancouver washington when there was a ton of roma
2016-03-27T08:49:25 < jadew> thing is, some of them were successfully integrated
2016-03-27T08:49:35 < ohsix> they seemed suspicious and wouldn't talk to yo (couldn't?) and that was the extent of that
2016-03-27T08:49:40 < jadew> and they're respected by everyone, as equal members of the society
2016-03-27T08:49:42 < ohsix> i'd have liked to talk to them
2016-03-27T08:50:07 < ohsix> suspicious of me, not personally suspicious or conspicuous
2016-03-27T08:50:40 < jadew> they're... very interesting
2016-03-27T08:50:45 < ohsix> they'd go to some of the same junk shops and grab the cool stuff i was there for :<
2016-03-27T08:51:01 < jadew> they have completely different values
2016-03-27T08:51:07 < ohsix> if they wan't cool stuff that i also want they can't be all bad, they know what the stuff is :p
2016-03-27T08:51:32 < jadew> heh
2016-03-27T08:53:43 < ohsix> i was pretty young and highly annoyed by it, i might have said things that sounded like i didn't like them, but what i didn't like is that i went to these cool places looking for junk and so were they
2016-03-27T08:54:11 < jadew> lol
2016-03-27T08:54:14 < jadew> what junk?
2016-03-27T08:54:59 < ohsix> the kind of place you could find a pxl2000 before anyone knew what they were
2016-03-27T08:55:14 < ohsix> i had one too :<<<< ditched it tho
2016-03-27T08:55:56 < ohsix> one of the places was a distribution center for thrift stores i think
2016-03-27T08:55:59 < jadew> didn't know about them, they sound cool
2016-03-27T08:56:15 < ohsix> they had a big open area in the back with bins that had interesting but less saleable stuff
2016-03-27T08:56:35 < ohsix> pre internet so they couldn't just look things up on amazon
2016-03-27T08:57:03 < Getty> some german sausage king has shot himself...... while driving 120 km/h ...... so german ;)
2016-03-27T08:57:05 < ohsix> miss that city for those kinds of places, flea markets too
2016-03-27T08:57:48 < ohsix> ReadError: pepper spray callback === i need to watch ALL of them again
2016-03-27T09:05:02 < ohsix> ReadError: getting that slightly dum feeling that i'm not paying enough attention to something that is good though
2016-03-27T09:05:09 < ohsix> need to figure out that hat :D
2016-03-27T09:13:27 < ohsix> jadew: i still like the 1bpp aesthetic
2016-03-27T09:14:16 < jadew> it was monochrome?
2016-03-27T09:14:27 < ohsix> my tape drive didn't work in mine so i just saw the video feed from the sensor
2016-03-27T09:14:28 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-27T09:14:33 < ohsix> it recorded on audio tape
2016-03-27T09:14:49 < jadew> yeah, I read that on wikipedia
2016-03-27T09:14:50 < ohsix> audio tape smoothed the sensor stuff majorly
2016-03-27T09:14:54 < jadew> you know... you can make one yourself
2016-03-27T09:15:05 < jadew> and probably record in color :P
2016-03-27T09:16:26 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-27T09:16:52 < ohsix> i wanna try jiggering up a 1bpp vidya codec that can go over nrf24
2016-03-27T09:17:14 < ohsix> haven't found a really bad/slow sensor to mess with tho
2016-03-27T09:17:31 < ohsix> hm haven't looked for b&w ones at all tho
2016-03-27T09:17:44 < jadew> speaking of sensors, I have a bunch of linear light sensors on my bench
2016-03-27T09:17:54 < jadew> I want to make a spectroscope
2016-03-27T09:18:29 < ohsix> pxl2000 was 120x90, there are b&w oled displays that are 128x64
2016-03-27T09:18:39 < jadew> yeah
2016-03-27T09:19:39 < jadew> I wonder if you can use those as sensors
2016-03-27T09:21:55 < jadew> does OLED work the other way?
2016-03-27T09:25:43 < ohsix> not like LEDs i don't think, but even so, the controller would have to do it and they don't
2016-03-27T09:25:54 < ohsix> the display memory is in the controller
2016-03-27T09:26:01 < jadew> well, you could take over and scan them
2016-03-27T09:26:13 < jadew> you would have to drain them after you read the value tho
2016-03-27T09:27:20 < ohsix> that's a heavyweight change
2016-03-27T09:27:29 < ohsix> it's flip chip thing bonded to the cable
2016-03-27T09:27:40 < jadew> ah
2016-03-27T09:27:47 < ohsix> from uh, either solomon systech directly or a clone
2016-03-27T09:28:09 < ohsix> don't even think you could do readbacks with the way the matrix is
2016-03-27T09:29:02 < jadew> well, if you can write to individual pixels, you can probably read too
2016-03-27T09:29:59 < ohsix> sec will find controller
2016-03-27T09:32:04 < ohsix> http://www.solomon-systech.com/en/product/display-ic/oled-driver-controller/ssd1306/ https://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/SSD1306.pdf
2016-03-27T09:32:53 < jadew> looks like you can
2016-03-27T09:33:19 < jadew> hmm
2016-03-27T09:33:42 < jadew> I guess that a regular sensor would have the pixels always charging
2016-03-27T09:34:00 < jadew> this would charge only if you connect it
2016-03-27T09:37:20 < ohsix> ReadError: get the pilot to 'the carmichael show', his mom is a good foil, not ready to say it is any good (it's a sitcom) but i'm watching it :p
2016-03-27T09:38:39 < ohsix> it's also on nbc and isn't total shit
2016-03-27T09:43:51 < ReadError> I want a bigger OLED screen
2016-03-27T09:44:09 < PeterM> ReadError, nig one off a samsung phone then
2016-03-27T09:44:53 < ohsix> make the pixels embiggenered
2016-03-27T09:45:11 < ohsix> i saw 1x1" LEDs in an arcade machine
2016-03-27T09:45:16 < PeterM> then pay a paki $5 to make na interface fpga/cpld ofr it
2016-03-27T09:46:50 < ohsix> ReadError: you can get panels that are supposed to go into huge displays for cheap
2016-03-27T09:47:04 < ReadError> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-42-12864-OLED-Display-Module-IIC-I2C-SPI-Serial-FOR-Arduino-C51-STM32-Blue-/111834352206?hash=item1a09d8ca4e:g:mk4AAOSwf-VWV6~3
2016-03-27T09:48:21 < ohsix> oh woah wat lul
2016-03-27T09:48:38 < ohsix> carmichael show is in second season, thought it just started
2016-03-27T09:50:56 < ohsix> http://www.cn-coin-op.com/admin/Uploadpic/200984162193157.gif LEDs i saw were in a machine similar to this
2016-03-27T09:51:01 < ohsix> basically big tetris
2016-03-27T09:51:42 < ohsix> i should get the name -> look for replacement part numbers
2016-03-27T09:54:01 < ohsix> https://na.suzohapp.com/products/accessories/EE2413
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2016-03-27T09:58:30 < ohsix> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/26/471958688/bird-visits-bernie-sanders-rally-sparks-delight-on-twitter
2016-03-27T09:59:33 < ohsix> jadew: this bird changes _everything_
2016-03-27T10:06:24 < ohsix> http://www.ehong-cheng.com/products_detail.php?yc_id=355 nice
2016-03-27T10:06:33 < ohsix> i have some of their parts already
2016-03-27T10:07:22 < ohsix> http://www.ebidgo.com/ebid/sys/admin/Upload/files/84/84617346%20/thum/thum_20130826152405.JPG can't find which 'royal light' it is tho, there's like 5 that do LEDs
2016-03-27T10:10:35 < ReadError> damn cuba is still pretty fucked up
2016-03-27T10:10:41 < ReadError> doctors make like $40 a month
2016-03-27T10:12:23 < ohsix> what does 40$usd buy in cuba tho
2016-03-27T10:18:46 < ReadError> probably not much
2016-03-27T10:19:09 < ReadError> the taxi driver earned 20$ just for driving the dude 30 mins
2016-03-27T10:23:28 < dongs> i come back and more garbage spoam
2016-03-27T10:24:52 < ohsix> you're being spammed with garbage?
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2016-03-27T10:25:14 < dongs> yeah, garbage offtopic chats
2016-03-27T10:25:34 < ohsix> i blame everyone else
2016-03-27T10:25:42 < dongs> solution is p.easy
2016-03-27T10:26:10  * ohsix wag finger
2016-03-27T10:27:43 < ReadError> lol
2016-03-27T10:27:47 < ReadError> who gives a fuck
2016-03-27T10:27:53 < ReadError> not like anyone is talking
2016-03-27T10:28:09 < dongs> nobody is talking because you're filling the space with trash
2016-03-27T10:28:41 < ohsix> like a space filling curve
2016-03-27T10:29:16 < ReadError> dongs hm yea, ok
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2016-03-27T10:32:34 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/TlrdXIY.png
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2016-03-27T11:09:45 < ohsix> https://www.instagram.com/p/1s1106h8i5/
2016-03-27T11:10:46 < dongs> last i chceked gameboy didn't have stm32 in it
2016-03-27T11:11:14 < ohsix> ReadError: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXWcMiG9ROQ
2016-03-27T11:11:17 < ohsix> that one did
2016-03-27T11:12:38 < ReadError> stopped talking
2016-03-27T11:12:43 < ReadError> chats failed to pick up
2016-03-27T11:13:13 < ohsix> yea that was weird
2016-03-27T11:20:14 < ohsix> you probably talked just before it was about to happen
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2016-03-27T11:47:56 < ohsix> http://rusefi.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
2016-03-27T11:54:48 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-G6040-7-4-push-button-foot-switch-tactile-switch-smd-for-mobile-phone-poweder/32382382055.html?spm=2114.40010308.4.164.ODfeWj useless as shit link
2016-03-27T11:57:50 < dongs> oh hm they do have the footprint+pinout as 2nd image
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2016-03-27T12:07:15 < dongs> http://www.cndragonwell.com/products_list/&pmcId=36.html
2016-03-27T12:07:17 < dongs> niice
2016-03-27T12:08:46 < PeterM> dongs i bet you're pumped for next weeknd
2016-03-27T12:08:51 < dongs> whats happening
2016-03-27T12:09:52 < PeterM> ??????
2016-03-27T12:10:13 < dongs> i duno man, tell me . i never plan that far in advance
2016-03-27T12:10:25 < dongs> is it some jap holiday or smth
2016-03-27T12:10:44 < PeterM> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanamara_Matsuri
2016-03-27T12:10:53 < PeterM> my irc client musnt have pasted right
2016-03-27T12:11:03 < dongs> o that shit
2016-03-27T12:11:15 < dongs> thats liek so far from here i dont even care
2016-03-27T12:12:13 < PeterM> its not my fault you live so far south you may aswell be in australia
2016-03-27T12:12:20 < dongs> srsly
2016-03-27T12:12:57 < dongs> http://www.cndragonwell.com/products_detail/&productId=1008.html
2016-03-27T12:13:00 < dongs> waht the fuck is this? USB-C?
2016-03-27T12:13:16 < dongs> oh no its fucking clone samsung usb shit
2016-03-27T12:27:09 < dongs> http://szycheng.com/ep_s.asp?id=555 score
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2016-03-27T12:29:49 < ohsix> far south?
2016-03-27T12:30:39 < ohsix> nice buttons
2016-03-27T12:30:45 < ohsix> wat are you using them for
2016-03-27T12:30:55 < dongs> replacing throughhole button on dpadapter.
2016-03-27T12:31:26 < dongs> torn between http://szycheng.com/ep_s.asp?id=558&class_id=70 and http://lqtydz.com/productmore.asp?id=289&pid=20&i=20&SortID=20&Ord=100 but probably go for TC-020 since its slightly bigger
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2016-03-27T12:32:02 < dongs> it kinda looks easier to break off tho
2016-03-27T12:32:13 < zyp> PeterM, haha, I went there three years ago
2016-03-27T12:32:29 < ohsix> huhh mackie changed their name to 'loud technologies' :<
2016-03-27T12:32:40 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/0XIwA.jpg
2016-03-27T12:33:17 < ohsix> dpad wut
2016-03-27T12:33:32 < zyp> that thing attracted the largest crowd of foreigers I've ever seen in one place in japan
2016-03-27T12:33:50 < dongs> probly the only reason tehy still run it
2016-03-27T12:33:52 < ohsix> that lqtydz hostname is so legit
2016-03-27T12:33:56 < dongs> dumb weebs pay for the city
2016-03-27T12:34:40 < ohsix> have dick festival, jail woman that uses vagina for things
2016-03-27T12:41:48 < ohsix> that cndragon site is neat; makes me think of how bad molex's website is
2016-03-27T12:42:33 < PeterM> zyp i can only imagine
2016-03-27T12:43:04 < PeterM> tc-020 looks fine
2016-03-27T12:50:42 < dongs> but that < 1mm neck from button to switchb ody
2016-03-27T12:52:43 < dongs> anyway thats what im drawing footprint for now anyway.
2016-03-27T12:56:30 < ohsix> what dpad adapter
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2016-03-27T13:11:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/3YcZmXx.png feer my kikecad 3d modeling skillz
2016-03-27T13:12:02 < dongs> yeah.
2016-03-27T13:26:19 < dongs> ohsix: this one https://shop.emergeplus.jp/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/PB-00002-02.jpg
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2016-03-27T13:30:37 < dongs> looks like a monitor to me
2016-03-27T13:32:25 < dongs> thats exactly what it is
2016-03-27T13:51:08 < dongs> get high
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2016-03-27T13:53:58 < dongs> Death toll on Brussels terror attack revised from 31 to 28, officials say.
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2016-03-27T14:46:26 < Sync> http://www.acrypet.com/acrypetEnglish/welcome.html the fuck
2016-03-27T14:46:36 < Sync> what is wrong with all those jappu companies?
2016-03-27T14:48:10 < dongs> wat about it
2016-03-27T14:53:45 < Sync> it looks like it is 1990 again
2016-03-27T14:54:04 < dongs> you mean jap websites?
2016-03-27T14:54:09 < Sync> yes
2016-03-27T14:54:12 < dongs> it never left 1990
2016-03-27T14:54:17 < dongs> is that frames?
2016-03-27T14:54:28 < BrainDamage> try any ham site and you'll never miss geocities again
2016-03-27T14:55:03 < PeterM> i gotta say, sometimes 1990 looks better than modern startup website
2016-03-27T14:55:14 < lorenzo> PeterM: http://adventurega.me/bootstrap/
2016-03-27T14:55:35 < mitrax> rotfl
2016-03-27T14:56:02 < PeterM> 100%
2016-03-27T14:56:27 < mitrax> lorenzo: so true ahahaha
2016-03-27T14:56:56 < lorenzo> yah I guess it's how web ""developers"" work these days
2016-03-27T14:57:04 < lorenzo> change words in a template, upload, grab the money, run
2016-03-27T14:57:16 < BrainDamage> the positive thing of 1990 design is that at least it doesn't take 5MB and 30s of an i7 core usage to render a page
2016-03-27T14:57:41 < mitrax> the new trend is to put a fullscreen video as background
2016-03-27T14:58:05 < dongs> mitrax: yeah that fucking shit.
2016-03-27T14:58:45 < lorenzo> BrainDamage: I love ham radio websites too lol
2016-03-27T14:58:50 < lorenzo> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/endonofr/satelliti_meteo.htm
2016-03-27T14:58:52 < lorenzo> animated gif: check
2016-03-27T14:58:56 < lorenzo> windows xp screenshots: check
2016-03-27T14:59:01 < lorenzo> fugly background color: check
2016-03-27T14:59:02 < dongs> loool
2016-03-27T14:59:11 < lorenzo> actually interesting content: check
2016-03-27T14:59:30 < dongs> > windows xp wiht default theme
2016-03-27T14:59:31 < dongs> whoah
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2016-03-27T15:01:39 < lorenzo> crt: I have a VM for a client who runs very old Siemens PLCs, other than that, no
2016-03-27T15:01:49 < dongs> i have a bunch of XP VMs running jap software
2016-03-27T15:38:41 < dongs> my non-pro pal is begging me to look at his shit arduino code thats trashing stack or memory somewhere and obv i dont wanna do it
2016-03-27T15:38:45 < dongs> where should I point him to
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2016-03-27T15:46:30 < ReadError> stackoverflow
2016-03-27T15:46:49 < Sync> swagoverflow pls
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2016-03-27T16:56:13 < dongs> any way to fucking make altidong paste vias into SAME NET THEY WERE COPIED FROM
2016-03-27T16:56:15 < dongs> ugh
2016-03-27T17:02:15 < zyp> From the Paste Special dialog, you can choose to paste objects on the current layer (selected option) or retain their original layers (deselected). Clicking on Keep Net Name retains the original net names of pasted objects. If this option is not selected, the pasted object’s net attribute is set to ‘No net’.
2016-03-27T17:02:27 < zyp> apparently
2016-03-27T17:02:47 < dongs> that works
2016-03-27T17:02:47 < dongs> nice
2016-03-27T17:03:06 < zyp> I seem to recall there were a hotkey to paste via with net as well, but I don't remember
2016-03-27T17:04:56 < dongs> ea+enter close enough
2016-03-27T17:05:47 < dongs> done
2016-03-27T17:05:55 < dongs> updated my dpadapter with minidp/microusb socket
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2016-03-27T17:45:14 < Steffanx> Such hackintosh fun after an upgrade i shouldn't have done :)
2016-03-27T17:50:45 < emeb_mac> Steffanx is hackintosher?
2016-03-27T17:50:54 < mitrax> boooooh
2016-03-27T17:51:02 < Steffanx> Yes. It seems so.
2016-03-27T17:51:52 < Steffanx> mitrax for you i also run windows.
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2016-03-27T17:53:01 < emeb_mac> never had the guts to try that - seemed so fraught
2016-03-27T17:55:26 < mitrax> Steffanx: j/k i don't advocate nor hate any os
2016-03-27T17:55:43 < PeterM> i had a macbook air that tried to kill me and thought "if apple software is as good as their hardware i'd probably avoid it"
2016-03-27T17:57:16 < Steffann> nice story PeterM :P
2016-03-27T17:58:07 < PeterM> hey mang, when you pay  a butt load for a laptop you dont want the thing to look liek it has a tumor when the lipos all swell, and for the replacement one to do the same 6 months later
2016-03-27T17:58:49 < emeb_mac> those swelling lipos. it just loves you.
2016-03-27T17:59:01 < emeb_mac> not dangerous - sign of "affection"
2016-03-27T17:59:04 < Steffann> but you have to admit, you replaced it with chinaclone battery? :P
2016-03-27T17:59:20 < PeterM> no, it was under warranty so i got the whole thing replaced
2016-03-27T17:59:28 < PeterM> it bent the aluminium case etc
2016-03-27T18:00:03 < Steffann> Im glad i never had to endure such thing. I would never trust it again.
2016-03-27T18:00:17 < emeb_mac> this macbook is ancient - have replace the battery 2x now.
2016-03-27T18:00:30 < emeb_mac> they always puff up like that.
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2016-03-27T18:00:50 < emeb_mac> fortunately it's a user-serviceable part in this model.
2016-03-27T18:00:52 < Steffann> ancient as in .. the white plastic one?
2016-03-27T18:00:59 < emeb_mac> Steffann: yes
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2016-03-27T18:01:40 < PeterM> i mean, great little laptop until it want and did that
2016-03-27T18:02:19 < emeb_mac> AIUI, all the new apple laptops are basically glued together. Not serviceable at all. meh.
2016-03-27T18:02:37 < PeterM> emeb_mac, yeah
2016-03-27T18:02:51 < Steffann>  my 2010 macbook pro is not glued together at all.
2016-03-27T18:02:51 < emeb_mac> because screws are so 20th cen
2016-03-27T18:02:55 < Steffann> or is that not new enough?
2016-03-27T18:03:14 < PeterM> thats kinda OK, because iirc the only thing that isnt glued together it the battery
2016-03-27T18:03:17 < Steffann> all screws
2016-03-27T18:03:39 < PeterM> anythign newer than liek 2014 or something iirc
2016-03-27T18:03:42 < emeb_mac> Steffann: dunno when they started doing that. a couple years back.
2016-03-27T18:04:47 < emeb_mac> if you're a pro with a hot air gun that's fine I suppose.
2016-03-27T18:23:23 < PeterM> emeb_mac, do you have any other apple hardware that you make daily use of?
2016-03-27T18:23:43 < emeb_mac> PeterM: no
2016-03-27T18:24:03 < PeterM> fair enough
2016-03-27T18:24:05 < emeb_mac> just this old lappy for websurfing
2016-03-27T18:24:20 < PeterM> professional apple blogging
2016-03-27T18:24:22 < jpa-> my wife's 2009 macbook is pretty much glued together, but it was an after-market upgrade
2016-03-27T18:24:39 < emeb_mac> "upgrade"
2016-03-27T18:24:46 < PeterM> at what time did apple go from powerpc->x86?
2016-03-27T18:24:58 < jpa-> 2002 or something like that
2016-03-27T18:25:16 < PeterM> really? i thoguht it was later than that, like 06 even
2016-03-27T18:25:45 < jpa-> hmm yeah
2016-03-27T18:25:49 < jpa-> wikipedia agrees with you
2016-03-27T18:26:38 < PeterM> anyway, all i can think of is how apple would look if they stuck wiht powerpc
2016-03-27T18:26:52 < jpa-> slowish?
2016-03-27T18:26:55 < lorenzo> it would just OVERHEAT and DIE
2016-03-27T18:27:17 < lorenzo> lol I remember the dual G5 "Pro"
2016-03-27T18:27:26 < lorenzo> with water cooling that leaked and corroded the case after 1-2 years
2016-03-27T18:27:39 < PeterM> jpa-, not jsut that but market share as a result, company profits etc
2016-03-27T18:27:56 < jpa-> iphone might have been the same
2016-03-27T18:28:21 < lorenzo> I think profits from their computers are already their minor thing
2016-03-27T18:28:27 < jpa-> so not such radical difference, and if they didn't go x86, they might have gone ARM in the laptops also
2016-03-27T18:28:39 < PeterM> eyah at thsi stage their computres are a tiny portion, but back then they werent
2016-03-27T18:28:56 < lorenzo> http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2015/01/linechart.png yeah
2016-03-27T18:29:11 < PeterM> i think they might have dropped computers all together, gone workstations and phones
2016-03-27T18:29:26 < jpa-> workstations?
2016-03-27T18:29:49 < lorenzo> pretend to work stations
2016-03-27T18:29:50 < PeterM> mac pro vs imacs and macbooks
2016-03-27T18:30:19 < lorenzo> although I think the pro is still quite used in the movie/music/whatever industry
2016-03-27T18:30:27 < PeterM> heh, looks like nobody gives a fuck about eyepads in q115
2016-03-27T18:31:29 < jpa-> how so? ipad sales seems relatively large still
2016-03-27T18:31:39 < jpa-> whereas ipod has shrunk to nothing
2016-03-27T18:32:09 < lorenzo> well let's not forget the first iphone was 3.5" and the first ipad was 9.7"
2016-03-27T18:32:27 < lorenzo> nowadays it's more like the average phone is 5.5" if not 6"
2016-03-27T18:32:28 < lorenzo> so..
2016-03-27T18:32:31 < jpa-> why can't we forget that?
2016-03-27T18:32:46 < lorenzo> I mean, there's no real difference anymore that I can see
2016-03-27T18:33:00 < PeterM> jpa-, the slither o nthe graph at the end for q115 is smalelr than it has been since q111
2016-03-27T18:33:28 < lorenzo> 3.5" was quite clunky for browsing and everything, so the iPad had some place to fit in between that and full fledged laptops
2016-03-27T18:33:38 < PeterM> lorenzo, i sorta agree, there is no place for the ipad anymore
2016-03-27T18:33:51 < PeterM> but at the same time there wasnt really a place for them before either
2016-03-27T18:34:03 < lorenzo> I think it was a bit like netbooks
2016-03-27T18:34:05 < lorenzo> novelty driven
2016-03-27T18:34:09 < PeterM> yeah
2016-03-27T18:34:13 < jpa-> PeterM: seems about same height at the right edge, difficult to say accurately; note that the area of the grey area is meaningless and distorted by the stacking
2016-03-27T18:34:17 < lorenzo> then everyone realised it's perfectly fine without one
2016-03-27T18:34:38 < PeterM> jpa yes ut us hyst tge height of the grey above the red
2016-03-27T18:34:56 < jpa-> now that was clear
2016-03-27T18:35:00 < lorenzo> lol
2016-03-27T18:35:14 < PeterM> jpa yes it is just the hight of the grey above the red that matters
2016-03-27T18:35:22 < PeterM> well, red and purple
2016-03-27T18:35:35 < PeterM> but the pruple seems to have departed too
2016-03-27T18:35:58 < lorenzo> I wonder what "Services" is
2016-03-27T18:36:00 < lorenzo> apps?
2016-03-27T18:36:10 < PeterM> icloud,itunes
2016-03-27T18:36:17 < PeterM> appstore
2016-03-27T18:36:42 < PeterM> other would be apple airport, earphones, monitors
2016-03-27T18:36:57 < PeterM> their "time machien" things
2016-03-27T18:50:37 < dongs> "services" is the part where they fuck you in the ass
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2016-03-27T19:39:44 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/WsN5ADS
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2016-03-27T19:50:26 < Steffann> Deutschland uber alles
2016-03-27T19:52:41 < mitrax> Laurenceb: it's pretty much the same thing here
2016-03-27T19:52:55 < mitrax> Laurenceb: i.e not germany specific
2016-03-27T19:53:07 < Steffann> where is "here" for mitrax?
2016-03-27T19:53:11 < jpa-> very useful comment
2016-03-27T19:53:15 < jpa-> 5/5 would read again
2016-03-27T19:53:30 < mitrax> france, sorry
2016-03-27T19:54:03 < Steffann> Sauna stories episode 1 jpa-?
2016-03-27T19:54:11 < jpa-> that
2016-03-27T19:54:40 < jpa-> went to sauna yesterday, did not see steffanx hiding under the benches
2016-03-27T19:54:55 < Steffann> One does cosy in sauna, i wasn the guy next to you.
2016-03-27T19:55:00 < Steffann> -n
2016-03-27T19:57:34 < Steffann> hmm, i expected you to be czech or something mitrax. Anything but french
2016-03-27T19:57:43 < mitrax> eh? why?
2016-03-27T19:58:41 < Steffann> Not sure. Reasonable, OK english and your nick.. i think.
2016-03-27T19:58:49 < mitrax> ahahaha
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2016-03-27T20:25:11 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/F5nlOcS
2016-03-27T20:25:15 < ReadError> omg first comment
2016-03-27T20:25:17 < ReadError> looooool
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2016-03-27T20:31:53 < dongs> oh boy
2016-03-27T20:31:55 < dongs> incoming rant
2016-03-27T20:31:58 < dongs> you know how java file picker
2016-03-27T20:32:05 < dongs> when you press enter in it
2016-03-27T20:32:09 < dongs> instead of fucking GOIGN TO THAT FOLDER
2016-03-27T20:32:12 < dongs> it just commits the dialog
2016-03-27T20:32:19 < dongs> of course, it doens't remember last used folder either
2016-03-27T20:32:27 < dongs> so I've got this java trash that I need to load 5 files into
2016-03-27T20:32:31 < dongs> like 8 levels deep into filessytem
2016-03-27T20:32:43 < dongs> so instad of pasting path into the shit, pressing enter, then selecting the file
2016-03-27T20:32:51 < dongs> i have to fucking click through starting from my computer
2016-03-27T20:32:55 < zyp> sorry, I don't know that
2016-03-27T20:32:59 < dongs> motherfuckers does anyone actually use this shit holy fuck.
2016-03-27T20:32:59 < zyp> I don't use java garbage
2016-03-27T20:37:14 < Laurenceb_> java
2016-03-27T20:37:20 < Laurenceb_> thats your problem
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2016-03-27T20:38:19 < Laurenceb_> lol ReadError I never noticed the piss before
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2016-03-27T20:38:52 < ReadError> Laurenceb_ hhaha same
2016-03-27T20:38:57 < ReadError> shit had me rollin
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2016-03-27T21:24:05 < kakimir> ReadError: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KIKrSG-Xzc
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2016-03-27T21:24:16 < kakimir> dongs: why you java?
2016-03-27T21:24:33 < kakimir> and ain't it like 4am in jippon
2016-03-27T21:24:34 < Steffann> qyx, you used the ov2640 once and used dma/timer to get the jpeg output. Did you deliberately set the clock precaler as high as 20 to get useful output?
2016-03-27T21:25:09 < Steffann> ( i copy pasted your code, changed it do rgb565 output and tried to make it a bit faster by lowering that prescaler, but the result is terrible
2016-03-27T21:25:10 < Steffann> )
2016-03-27T21:25:33 < Laurenceb_> TIL I can never be part of /pol/
2016-03-27T21:25:35 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/chH2b1k
2016-03-27T21:26:58 < kakimir> we had spontanious RC flight day
2016-03-27T21:27:07 < kakimir> 3 friends taught how to fly
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2016-03-27T21:41:48 < PaulFertser> kakimir: rc flight what?
2016-03-27T21:42:47 < kakimir> day
2016-03-27T21:42:52 < kakimir> you know
2016-03-27T21:42:58 < kakimir> planes
2016-03-27T21:43:00 < kakimir> radios
2016-03-27T21:43:03 < kakimir> trainer cables
2016-03-27T21:43:20 < kakimir> a can full of batteries
2016-03-27T21:43:29 < PaulFertser> kakimir: there're also helis and copters, not only planes, that's why I'm asking.
2016-03-27T21:43:54 < kakimir> oh
2016-03-27T21:43:57 < kakimir> well
2016-03-27T21:44:11 < kakimir> like you would teach like that your friend fly some copter
2016-03-27T21:45:05 < kakimir> planes are the shiet
2016-03-27T21:45:49 < kakimir> pick it up after crash patch it super quick and back to flying
2016-03-27T21:45:51 < PaulFertser> I've seen folks flying planes today. One had a 100cm^3 petrol engine.
2016-03-27T21:46:12 < Steffann> the sound must have been nice PaulFertser
2016-03-27T21:46:24 < Steffann> *noise
2016-03-27T21:46:26 < kakimir> doing 350kmh?
2016-03-27T21:47:07 < PaulFertser> Steffann: alas, it didn't fly, by the time I arrived it was packed in a car and I was told it refused to fly today.
2016-03-27T21:47:18 < Steffann> oh, oops
2016-03-27T21:47:27 < Steffann> Too bad
2016-03-27T21:47:30 < PaulFertser> Opposit engine, like BMW :)
2016-03-27T21:48:10 < kakimir> some local dude has petrol plane that does 280kmh or so
2016-03-27T21:49:28 < PaulFertser> The guys told me planes are way easier to fly than helis.
2016-03-27T21:49:57 < kakimir> no shit
2016-03-27T21:50:17 < kakimir> you fly the plane like in GTA
2016-03-27T21:50:28 < kakimir> but you don't definitelly fly copter like in GTA
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2016-03-27T21:56:59 < jadew> ohsix, the bird was a nice touch
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2016-03-27T22:03:24 < kakimir> is there a specific need to declare a pointer?
2016-03-27T22:03:33 < kakimir> why not just use uint32_t ?
2016-03-27T22:04:30 < kakimir> is it for making more sane code that can raise errors incase you do stupid stuff?
2016-03-27T22:10:16 < jadew> kakimir, what do you mean?
2016-03-27T22:10:36 < jpa-> one pretty good reason is that a pointer is incremented in multiples of the base type size
2016-03-27T22:11:07 < kakimir> oh it is?
2016-03-27T22:11:12 < kakimir> good to know
2016-03-27T22:11:19 < jpa-> so that   int a[99]; int *b = a; b[1]  indexing works like you expect, instead of pointing just 1 byte from the beginning
2016-03-27T22:12:07 < jadew> obviously the compiler treats a pointer differently than a number
2016-03-27T22:12:10 < kakimir> yes that indexing
2016-03-27T22:12:10 < jpa-> another pretty good reason is to make casting etc. work correctly, e.g. between int / float / etc. arrays
2016-03-27T22:12:15 < kakimir> but
2016-03-27T22:12:24 < kakimir> how about ++ ?
2016-03-27T22:12:28 < jpa-> it's the same
2016-03-27T22:12:35 < jpa-> x[y] is defined as *(x + y)
2016-03-27T22:12:48 < kakimir> oh
2016-03-27T22:12:54 < kakimir> sweet
2016-03-27T22:14:57 < kakimir> it seems my code wont let me declare pointer directly
2016-03-27T22:15:30 < kakimir> like type *pointer = address+indez
2016-03-27T22:15:49 < kakimir> maybe because index is in.. 16bit format
2016-03-27T22:15:55 < jpa-> you need to cast
2016-03-27T22:16:02 < jpa-> if address is just an integer
2016-03-27T22:16:15 < jadew> you need to reinterpret_cast
2016-03-27T22:16:34 < Steffann> but that is c++..
2016-03-27T22:16:51 < kakimir> I do address[index] maybe and I need to cast that address too
2016-03-27T22:17:00 < jadew> why would anyone use plain C?
2016-03-27T22:17:09 < kakimir> because still the best
2016-03-27T22:17:11 < kakimir> simple
2016-03-27T22:17:20 < jadew> it has a lot of limitations
2016-03-27T22:17:31 < kakimir> so do the systems you make with it
2016-03-27T22:17:33 < jadew> which shouldn't be there
2016-03-27T22:17:45 < kakimir> it's all limited and good
2016-03-27T22:18:34 < kakimir> my guru has cry about that excess bit some operations output
2016-03-27T22:18:50 < kakimir> that you can't really use it directly like in asm
2016-03-27T22:18:59 < jpa-> the reason why Laurenceb_'s voice is so high: http://cdn.x2n.com.br/~naomesmo/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/songo.gif
2016-03-27T22:18:59 < jadew> ?
2016-03-27T22:19:11 < kakimir> but I don't know what else limitations there is
2016-03-27T22:19:27 < jadew> lol jpa-
2016-03-27T22:19:43 < Laurenceb_> my voice is high?!
2016-03-27T22:19:45 < jadew> kakimir, for example in C you can't have the same function name with different parameters
2016-03-27T22:19:55 < kakimir> didn't know that
2016-03-27T22:20:00 < jadew> C++ allows you and the code is not different at all
2016-03-27T22:20:18 < kakimir> then just compile it as C++
2016-03-27T22:20:23 < kakimir> and code as C
2016-03-27T22:20:33 < kakimir> what is the great deal about it?
2016-03-27T22:20:45 < jadew> that's what I was saying
2016-03-27T22:21:14 < kakimir> limitation that is not practically limitation is not limitation for me
2016-03-27T22:21:16 < jadew> even if you avoid some features from C++, there's no point in sticking strictly to C
2016-03-27T22:21:37 < kakimir> who does strict anyways?
2016-03-27T22:21:59 < jadew> well, if you're going to use the C compiler you won't be able to use the nice features of C++
2016-03-27T22:22:27 < jadew> like having the same function name with different fingerprints
2016-03-27T22:22:53 < jpa-> and when you use overloading, you can no longer use the functions from C code easily
2016-03-27T22:23:01 < kakimir> the platform must be pretty niche if you don't get C++ compiler for it
2016-03-27T22:23:32 < kakimir> there is gnu compiler
2016-03-27T22:23:35 < kakimir> always
2016-03-27T22:23:44 < jpa-> "always" :D
2016-03-27T22:23:50 < kakimir> ye
2016-03-27T22:23:56 < kakimir> sometimes
2016-03-27T22:24:51 < jpa-> for portable libraries targeting embedded market, plain C is still the only choice.. otherwise you'll hit the first 8051 user pretty soon :)
2016-03-27T22:24:58 < kakimir> should I by the way cast _sdata and _estack as void pointers?
2016-03-27T22:25:12 < jpa-> cast?
2016-03-27T22:25:15 < jpa-> they are symbols
2016-03-27T22:25:22 < kakimir> *declare
2016-03-27T22:25:28 < jpa-> doesn't matter really
2016-03-27T22:26:03 < kakimir> if I can I will
2016-03-27T22:26:21 < kakimir> or uint8_t
2016-03-27T22:26:44 < jpa-> i usually declare them as uint32_t, but that is only because i like to do the copying in 4-byte blocks anyway
2016-03-27T22:26:47 < kakimir> I have index per byte
2016-03-27T22:26:58 < kakimir> and read per half word
2016-03-27T22:27:23 < kakimir> things should be alligned but anyways I have 4kilos or ram
2016-03-27T22:27:36 < kakimir> why not go per byte addressing
2016-03-27T22:27:55 < kakimir> in my spi ram probe
2016-03-27T22:32:50 < kakimir> I have command for next address
2016-03-27T22:33:09 < kakimir> so whole blocks come out efficiently
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2016-03-27T22:39:17 < kakimir> I wonder if data comes out in right order
2016-03-27T22:39:27 < kakimir> will see
2016-03-27T22:39:33 < kakimir> with test read
2016-03-27T22:42:43 < kakimir> can you do operations for void pointer like it was uint32_t ?
2016-03-27T22:43:03 < kakimir> variable
2016-03-27T22:43:33 < kakimir> let's see stackoverflow
2016-03-27T22:43:51 < kakimir> Final conclusion: arithmetic on a void* is illegal in both C and C++.
2016-03-27T22:43:54 < kakimir> okay
2016-03-27T22:44:04 < kakimir> then I need to uint8_t it
2016-03-27T22:53:41 < kakimir> I need to recast pointer when I want different size data than base value?
2016-03-27T22:53:55 < kakimir> base value 8bit, data 16bit
2016-03-27T22:56:19 < ohsix> dongs: ohh, dpad is a thing in a game controller too, nicing it up?
2016-03-27T23:13:06 < kakimir> http://pastebin.com/Z7kjHNrG
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2016-03-27T23:13:32 < kakimir> it says _estack and _sdata have undefined references
2016-03-27T23:16:19 < kakimir> okay
2016-03-27T23:16:32 < kakimir> because it has it's own shiet
2016-03-27T23:17:26 < kakimir> __base_RAM and __top_RAM
2016-03-27T23:19:31 < kakimir> it worked
2016-03-27T23:19:47 < kakimir> nice symbol names
2016-03-27T23:23:01 < kakimir> oh it requires (uint16_t *)
2016-03-27T23:23:03 < kakimir> got it
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2016-03-27T23:56:43 < ohsix> heh there's more than one open source ecu thing that uses an stm32
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2016-03-27T23:58:50 < zyp> ohsix, which?
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2016-03-28T00:01:34 < kakimir> interesting
2016-03-28T00:03:31 < Laurenceb_> I'd like to get into car mods
2016-03-28T00:03:53 < Laurenceb_> want to make a diesel run on CNG, what would be fun
2016-03-28T00:05:01 < kakimir> why have you not dones it?
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2016-03-28T00:11:09 < ohsix> and ends up mangling symbols to do it and bringing in a bunch of new type conversion/matching rules 12:19 < jadew> kakimir, for example in C you can't have the same function name with different parameters
2016-03-28T00:11:51 < ohsix> zyp: rusefi / openecu
2016-03-28T00:12:18 < ohsix> diesel on cng? ehhhh
2016-03-28T00:12:38 < ohsix> you could probably do it but it's completely different operating principle
2016-03-28T00:12:55 < ohsix> diesel uses pressure to set off the fuel
2016-03-28T00:13:44 < ohsix> gas engines with sparks you can just get the stochiometry right and it'll burn anything with a low vapor pressure
2016-03-28T00:13:56 < ohsix> or a gas
2016-03-28T00:14:28 < ohsix> zyp: har nm openecu doesn't do anything
2016-03-28T00:19:40 < kakimir> you don't need to reinvent the wheel
2016-03-28T00:19:58 < kakimir> set fuel ecu to pilot only
2016-03-28T00:20:21 < kakimir> control power with CNG ecu
2016-03-28T00:25:36 < ohsix> .
2016-03-28T00:25:54 < ohsix> all the fuel/air metering will be wrong
2016-03-28T00:28:21 < kakimir> maybe you could read values from original ecu
2016-03-28T00:29:39 < ohsix> there are no original values for cng
2016-03-28T00:30:07 < kakimir> CNG ecu being just a calibration unit
2016-03-28T00:31:07 < aandrew> what?
2016-03-28T00:31:15 < aandrew> diesel running propane?
2016-03-28T00:32:24 < ohsix> https://github.com/rusefi/rusefi/tree/master/firmware/controllers
2016-03-28T00:32:54 < kakimir> after being passed thru those tables in original equ the value would be corrected for CNG in CNG ecu so there is no conciderations about one equ doing one thing and another doing something else
2016-03-28T00:35:36 < aandrew> will CNG detonate from pressure alone?
2016-03-28T00:35:54 < kakimir> 00:19 < kakimir> set fuel ecu to pilot only
2016-03-28T00:36:52 < aandrew> hah I like the STM32Discovery sitting in the box on their wiki
2016-03-28T00:42:01 < kakimir> is there ecus for direct injection?
2016-03-28T00:42:12 < Sync> yes
2016-03-28T00:44:51 < Laurenceb_> sigh
2016-03-28T00:45:03 < Laurenceb_> you use diesel in place of a spark plug
2016-03-28T00:45:16 < Laurenceb_> air/natural gas mix goes into engine
2016-03-28T00:45:33 < Laurenceb_> natural gas has crazy high octane number so it doesnt detonate
2016-03-28T00:45:46 < Laurenceb_> then diesel is injected and burns the natural gas
2016-03-28T00:46:00 < Laurenceb_> usually you run on around 15% or so of the normal diesel burn
2016-03-28T00:46:22 < Laurenceb_> so most of the energy is from the gas, but efficiency is much higher than petrol running on natural gas
2016-03-28T00:46:43 < Laurenceb_> and you have more flexibility to throttle by varying the amount of gas / using EGR
2016-03-28T00:57:39 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/foXDcOG
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2016-03-28T00:59:30 < aandrew> oh I see so it's kind of a hybrid diesel/CNG
2016-03-28T00:59:48 < Sync> > egr Laurenceb_
2016-03-28T00:59:50 < Sync> pls.
2016-03-28T00:59:56 < Sync> who needs fuel efficiency
2016-03-28T01:00:03 < Sync> everybody loves throttlebody losses
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2016-03-28T01:05:22 < Laurenceb_> lul
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2016-03-28T01:06:04 < Laurenceb_> dunno how low you could get the diesel use, would be interesting to experiment with off the shelf car and custom ECU
2016-03-28T01:06:29 < Laurenceb_> but it should have slightly higher overall efficiency and much cheaper fuel than a diesel
2016-03-28T01:06:40 < Laurenceb_> maybe as little as 25% of the running costs
2016-03-28T01:07:38 < Laurenceb_> prob ~40% cheaper than an EV
2016-03-28T01:07:48 < Laurenceb_> and no battery costs
2016-03-28T01:08:24 < kakimir> how you buy CNG to car?
2016-03-28T01:08:50 < kakimir> here using gasonous stuff for anything but grill is really uncommon
2016-03-28T01:09:25 < Laurenceb_> mains gas -> compressor -> tank
2016-03-28T01:09:39 < kakimir> you need gas connection?
2016-03-28T01:09:57 < kakimir> CNG bus would be nice motorhome
2016-03-28T01:10:08 < ohsix> motorbutts
2016-03-28T01:10:12 < kakimir> there is CNG busses in south cities
2016-03-28T01:10:20 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-03-28T01:11:02 < Laurenceb_> they sometimes use diesel engine with modifications
2016-03-28T01:11:28 < Laurenceb_> other advantage is it's "multifuel" so can be refuelled from conventional fuel stations if it runs out of gas
2016-03-28T01:11:51 < kakimir> http://biomode.fi/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2013/11/KaasuverkostoSuomi.png
2016-03-28T01:12:40 < kakimir> or whateven gas that is butane/propane
2016-03-28T01:13:32 < ohsix> what do you call gas when one of the gasses is a gas
2016-03-28T01:13:46 < kakimir> you mean gas?
2016-03-28T01:14:41 < zyp> ohsix, why the fuck would you call a liquid «gas» in the first place?
2016-03-28T01:14:51 < kakimir> known as petrol outside of North America
2016-03-28T01:14:59 < Sync> zyp: because that is how it is
2016-03-28T01:14:59 < ohsix> dunno, but the word games don't work if you don't
2016-03-28T01:15:06 < kakimir> you kinda get answer in that
2016-03-28T01:15:49 < Laurenceb_> because murica
2016-03-28T01:15:53 < Sync> well, lng is actually common here
2016-03-28T01:16:13 < Sync> but not in diesels
2016-03-28T01:16:22 < Sync> as it is a pain in the dick to tune with regular ecus
2016-03-28T01:16:37 < Sync> on petrol engines you just yolo it into the intake and be done
2016-03-28T01:19:05 < ohsix> you can fart in the intake and it'll keep going
2016-03-28T01:19:18 < ohsix> wont burn its own oil though
2016-03-28T01:20:39 < Steffann> i see a business case
2016-03-28T01:21:51 < Sync> fart2intake adapters?
2016-03-28T01:22:20 < Laurenceb_> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283054/
2016-03-28T01:22:41 < kakimir> poor people need to keep farts inside
2016-03-28T01:28:16 < ohsix> jadew: nope, didn't fix it; if youtube is playing shit is fuuuuuucked
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2016-03-28T01:57:20 < kakimir> http://www.daveoncode.com/2009/08/25/eclipse-shortcut-switch-convert-uppercase-text-cod-lowercase/
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2016-03-28T02:27:36 < kakimir> uint16_t *data2 = &(reception->spi_reception_data_part2);//Pointer to data2
2016-03-28T02:27:40 < kakimir> is this okay?
2016-03-28T02:28:15 < kakimir> reception being pointer passed as parameter
2016-03-28T02:28:20 < kakimir> *a parameter
2016-03-28T02:28:33 < kakimir> *a pointer
2016-03-28T02:33:54 < ohsix> if it compiles it's ok but it probably doesn't do what you want
2016-03-28T02:33:59 < ohsix> you don't need &
2016-03-28T02:34:11 < ohsix> just use reception.spi_receptionwhatever
2016-03-28T02:34:15 < ohsix> -> dereferences it
2016-03-28T02:35:07 < kakimir> oh
2016-03-28T02:35:43 < ohsix> er
2016-03-28T02:36:06 < ohsix> 'it' being the lhs
2016-03-28T02:36:55 < ohsix> if spi_reception_data is a pointer or array then its value is that, if it's a basic type like int you'll need to dereference it
2016-03-28T02:37:33 < kakimir> I need pointer to single variable inside a struct type instance
2016-03-28T02:37:36 < ohsix> fun on a bun
2016-03-28T02:37:59 < ohsix> without the parenthesis i think that is what happens there
2016-03-28T02:38:25 < kakimir> I want to short this reception->spi_reception_data_part2
2016-03-28T02:38:27 < kakimir> as
2016-03-28T02:38:28 < kakimir> data2
2016-03-28T02:38:54 < ohsix> you can always check in gdb that *data (dereferencing it) equals the member value
2016-03-28T02:40:06 < ohsix> they should have been consistent and called it depointering ;]
2016-03-28T02:40:10 < kakimir> I'm not that good with gdb
2016-03-28T02:40:33 < ohsix> there's a loonix command called cdecl that will say in plain english what an expression doessssssssssssssssss
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2016-03-28T02:42:05 < kakimir> not in looniz
2016-03-28T02:42:47 < ohsix> cdecl
2016-03-28T02:43:01 < kakimir> I have winlulz
2016-03-28T02:43:20 < ohsix> it's online somewhere, cdecl.org or something
2016-03-28T02:44:04 < ohsix> won't do -> without some type definitions so it's probably not smart enough
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2016-03-28T02:48:04 < jadew> sorry, just woke up after a quick nap
2016-03-28T02:48:07 < jadew> ohsix?
2016-03-28T02:49:50 < ohsix> windows network junk
2016-03-28T02:49:54 < ohsix> that patch
2016-03-28T02:50:04 < jadew> ah, right
2016-03-28T02:50:10 < jadew> sorry to hear that
2016-03-28T02:50:17 < ohsix> me2
2016-03-28T02:50:17 < jadew> I wonder if it's still an issue on windows
2016-03-28T02:50:20 < jadew> windows 10
2016-03-28T02:50:31 < ohsix> if it is something automatic it probably is
2016-03-28T02:50:41 < jadew> what are the steps to reproduce?
2016-03-28T02:51:08 < ohsix> have youtube playing (there are probably other media related triggers) and try and copy a file over the lan
2016-03-28T02:51:16 < jadew> k
2016-03-28T02:51:28 < jadew> do I start copying before or after youtube?
2016-03-28T02:51:30 < ohsix> i thought it might be how bursty/close youtube is with isp caching, but it stops doing it when you pause
2016-03-28T02:51:41 < ohsix> you can do it at any time, pause youtube and it will speed up
2016-03-28T02:51:54 < ohsix> go to the resource monitor, network tab, you can see smb io in System
2016-03-28T02:53:28 < ohsix> i use 'pv' /dev/zero > /path/to/smb/thing
2016-03-28T02:53:45 < ohsix> just sends zeros to a file until the disk fills up and says how fast it is doing it
2016-03-28T02:54:47 < ohsix> oh huhh dang
2016-03-28T02:54:53 < ohsix> resource monitor doesn't update fast enough i guess
2016-03-28T02:54:57 < dongs> didnt know samba ran on STM32
2016-03-28T02:55:04 < jadew> the only thing I have on lan right now is a slow HDD
2016-03-28T02:55:06 < dongs> did you port it?
2016-03-28T02:55:09 < jadew> that can do 13 Mb/s tops
2016-03-28T02:55:11 < ohsix> it was what i was using earlier to find out it was broke ... it isn't, it's working
2016-03-28T02:55:16 < jadew> and it doesn't seem to be bothered by youtube
2016-03-28T02:55:41 < ohsix> the 'pv' test is unaffected, it dips to like 9MB/s for a few seconds when youtube is burst loading
2016-03-28T02:56:15 < ohsix> heh hm
2016-03-28T02:56:26 < ohsix> you know my computer isn't new, i wo nder if there's enough cpu use for it to matter
2016-03-28T02:56:39 < jadew> I had the same thought earlier
2016-03-28T02:56:53 < jadew> it is possible that some resource on your PC is just getting maxed out
2016-03-28T02:56:57 < ohsix> system is using ~12% while pv is running
2016-03-28T02:57:01 < ohsix> chrome is negligable
2016-03-28T02:57:15 < ohsix> let me find a 4k video that i know it can't play ;D
2016-03-28T02:57:38 < ohsix> dongs: didn't you post some 4k video of something
2016-03-28T02:57:55 < jadew> ohsix, you can find them on youtube
2016-03-28T02:58:07 < ohsix> i no
2016-03-28T02:58:07 < jadew> just search for 4k demo
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2016-03-28T02:58:49 < ohsix> heh actually have to let it buffer
2016-03-28T02:59:36 < ohsix> yea that's not a useful test
2016-03-28T02:59:39 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UceRgEyfSsc neat video tho
2016-03-28T03:00:26 < ohsix> well
2016-03-28T03:00:34 < ohsix> if it isn't cpu it looks like i could blame it on thattttttttttttttttttt just the same
2016-03-28T03:01:07 < ohsix> 720p60fps plays at 60fps but basically uses all of one core and the pv 'test' stays at a nice low 12-15MB/s
2016-03-28T03:01:34 < ohsix> that patch did remove whatever was automatically happening before tho, the auto tuning congestion crap
2016-03-28T03:02:42 < ohsix> yea, i was just reading resource monitor wrong, the averaging period must be more than a minute
2016-03-28T03:03:50 < ohsix> samba is really chatty, would probably go even faster if i used something else
2016-03-28T03:06:37 < ohsix> the usb3 drive i have is like 4x faster than my internal drives, even new ones ;D
2016-03-28T03:07:41 < jadew> move them all on USB :P
2016-03-28T03:08:00 < ohsix> dongs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_0
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2016-03-28T03:15:34 < kakimir> you need ip over pidgeons
2016-03-28T03:15:45 < kakimir> packet loss 50%
2016-03-28T03:15:56 < kakimir> delay: very muh
2016-03-28T03:16:26 < ohsix> you can do it with a barcode and an LED olol
2016-03-28T03:18:52 < Thorn> looks like a surprisingly competent lab psu design  http://radiokot.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=59168
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2016-03-28T03:24:11 < kakimir> how do I mark function pointer having a pointer as a parameter?
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2016-03-28T03:25:03 < kakimir> void (*funcpointer)(*parametertype?)
2016-03-28T03:25:32 < kakimir> *parameterpointerbasetype
2016-03-28T03:25:36 < dongs> what
2016-03-28T03:25:51 < Thorn> void (*funcpointer)(void*)
2016-03-28T03:25:52 < dongs> the () part of function pointer is same as you'd declare any function
2016-03-28T03:26:07 < dongs> so (struct cocks *, int, char *)
2016-03-28T03:26:08 < Thorn> or int* etc.
2016-03-28T03:26:08 < dongs> or etc.
2016-03-28T03:26:29 < kakimir> hmm Thorn actually I did that but my type was defined after the pointer :/
2016-03-28T03:26:35 < kakimir> sorry my bad
2016-03-28T03:26:48 < dongs> forward declare it then, and stop writing shit code
2016-03-28T03:26:52 < kakimir> void (*spi_reception_handler_fp)(Spi_Reception*);
2016-03-28T03:27:13 < dongs> dont you wanna know result of your spi reception?
2016-03-28T03:27:55 < kakimir> no
2016-03-28T03:27:56 < Thorn> spi reception has been canceled. no spies showed up
2016-03-28T03:28:01 < kakimir> it mess with global variable
2016-03-28T03:28:09 < dongs> sounds like some pro coding
2016-03-28T03:28:18 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-28T03:28:33 < kakimir> yes why not use global transmission variable
2016-03-28T03:28:55 < kakimir> it would be the same for all reception handlers
2016-03-28T03:29:00 < kakimir> if there was more than 1
2016-03-28T03:30:24 < kakimir> everything else needed is in Spi_Reception type instance
2016-03-28T03:30:49 < kakimir> flags and datas for 1, 2 and 3 part transmissions
2016-03-28T03:30:56 < kakimir> *commands
2016-03-28T03:34:42 < ohsix> wat, if i use an mkv file instead of /dev/zero it does 3MB/s
2016-03-28T03:35:01 < kakimir> instead of what speed?
2016-03-28T03:35:13 < ohsix> and it's not the drive cuz if i send it to /dev/null disk reads like 80MB/s
2016-03-28T03:35:20 < ohsix> ~45MB/s+
2016-03-28T03:35:57 < kakimir> what are you using that /dev/zero for?
2016-03-28T03:36:14 < ohsix> nm
2016-03-28T03:38:04 < dongs> zyp, hjoow many nfcfail do you need
2016-03-28T03:38:06 < dongs> same as last time?
2016-03-28T03:38:34 < dongs> zyp: and do you wanna wait to panel with something if there's space or jsut order
2016-03-28T03:41:15 < ohsix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15529593/ what is going onnn
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2016-03-28T03:48:06 < ohsix> k it does it if i play a video in mpc too; what the hell
2016-03-28T03:48:11 < dongs> try in #ubunto
2016-03-28T03:48:28 < dongs> or #lunix4niggers
2016-03-28T03:48:39 < ohsix> this is windows bruv
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2016-03-28T03:51:05 < kakimir> big bill be watching
2016-03-28T03:51:09 < ohsix> oh shit
2016-03-28T03:51:11 < ohsix> it's the audio
2016-03-28T03:51:34 < kakimir> talk shiet about lunix and good about windows
2016-03-28T03:53:18 < dongs> wow visualmicro is cheap
2016-03-28T03:53:20 < dongs> and paypal
2016-03-28T03:53:38 < dongs> where's R2COM i think he bought that
2016-03-28T03:54:44 < kakimir> oh it's time to sleep>
2016-03-28T03:55:01 < karlp> fucking "usb3" thumb drive shits. 7MB/sec. average on ~400meg files.
2016-03-28T03:55:03 < karlp> fucking worthless
2016-03-28T03:55:10 < dongs> karlp: lul. stop buying garbage.
2016-03-28T03:55:24 < dongs> i paid more than $10 for a 32gb usb3 drive and i get 200meg reads and like 90meg writes
2016-03-28T03:55:31 < kakimir> karlp: hah you fool
2016-03-28T03:56:12 < dongs> which of you pros uses visualmicro
2016-03-28T03:56:39 < dongs> Republic of Gays branded
2016-03-28T03:57:19 < dongs> hmm i thought it was some generic cortex development thing that used vstudio
2016-03-28T03:57:45 < dongs> i thought thats wat this was, checking again
2016-03-28T03:57:49 < dongs> oh visualgdb
2016-03-28T03:58:44 < dongs> oh, and it s free
2016-03-28T03:58:46 < dongs> even better.
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2016-03-28T04:02:29 < dongs> oh theres a buy link
2016-03-28T04:02:31 < dongs> fuckin scammers
2016-03-28T04:02:34 < Laurenceb_> lol my stm32 mass stoRAGE manages 1.1MB/sec
2016-03-28T04:02:49 < karlp> oh, it's super fast "at first"
2016-03-28T04:02:55 < karlp> then massively slows down
2016-03-28T04:03:00 < karlp> clearly buffering on the device.
2016-03-28T04:03:06 < dongs> thats just windows caching shit to memory
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2016-03-28T04:04:52 < karlp> no, and it's not loonix either, I can see where ti's using cpu and iotop shows actual writes,
2016-03-28T04:04:56 < karlp> http://www.corsair.com/en-us/flash-voyager-vega-usb-3-0-64gb-flash-drive << junk
2016-03-28T04:05:44 < dongs> no data rate specs
2016-03-28T04:05:46 < dongs> insta-oven
2016-03-28T04:06:16 < karlp> was just cheap and the last one I'd lent out was nto returned.
2016-03-28T04:06:26 < karlp> it's ~same speed as an older usb2 stick I had
2016-03-28T04:07:33 < dongs> http://www.sony.jp/rec-media/products/USM-QX/spec.html
2016-03-28T04:07:45 < dongs> USM32GQX、USM64GQX、USM128GQX：226MB/s reads
2016-03-28T04:07:54 < dongs> writes are like 90megs ish
2016-03-28T04:08:07 < dongs> not much more expensive than that corsaids trash either.
2016-03-28T04:08:36 < ohsix> corsair was kind of bad before there was a usb3
2016-03-28T04:08:44 < karlp> dongs: not available locally, but yeah, sure,
2016-03-28T04:08:54 < karlp> just hate how the specs and revies are all like, "yeah, works good"
2016-03-28T04:09:02 < karlp> "get fucked you fucking scammer arsewholes
2016-03-28T04:09:02 < dongs> karlp: amazon says 120meg reads 23meg writes
2016-03-28T04:09:06 < dongs> on your usb shit
2016-03-28T04:09:09 < dongs> you sure its not your lunix failing?
2016-03-28T04:09:09 < ohsix> yaman
2016-03-28T04:09:18 < karlp> doubt it, reads are super fast.
2016-03-28T04:09:21 < ohsix> most people aren't writing 500mb files to a flash drive and nobody tests that
2016-03-28T04:09:24 < ohsix> it's the same with sd/tf
2016-03-28T04:09:37 < dongs> i write > 10gb files on the sony stick all the time
2016-03-28T04:09:40 < ohsix> it needs to accept like 32MB of stuff into som ebuffer and tell the host is done
2016-03-28T04:09:43 < karlp> ohsix: what lese would you fucking do? movies and episodes are kinda what I want to write to disk
2016-03-28T04:09:47 < ohsix> +it
2016-03-28T04:09:49 < dongs> and it sustains 90megs throughout
2016-03-28T04:09:59 < ohsix> karlp: me2, frankly all i would
2016-03-28T04:10:04 < ohsix> and every drive i've had has sucked
2016-03-28T04:10:26 < ohsix> the flash io rates aren't good and there isn't enough memory on the controller to do much with the sustained write rates
2016-03-28T04:13:36 < PeterM> if its over 50mb/s is probably good enough for me, and i usually get 16gb drives, i'd prefer have like 10 drives randomly floating around that i can grab than have one big drive that i can never find
2016-03-28T04:14:09 < ohsix> the ones i've used will do 25MB/s for the first 20MB or so, then hover around 1MB/s
2016-03-28T04:14:39 < ohsix> the ones i suspected were fake would do a few k a second, but they weren't fake :<
2016-03-28T04:15:11 < ohsix> ya BRO
2016-03-28T04:15:27 < ohsix> i didn't buy them, they were promotional things
2016-03-28T04:18:21 < Laurenceb_> You should aspire to struggle in all facets of life.
2016-03-28T04:18:21 < Laurenceb_> Why else would I use a VIM-like browser and GNU/Linux?
2016-03-28T04:18:38 < Laurenceb_> >>5566076
2016-03-28T04:18:39 < Laurenceb_> Why not sell all your possessions and move to some third world country and be homeless?
2016-03-28T04:18:41 < Laurenceb_> lulling
2016-03-28T04:19:34 < dongs> heh
2016-03-28T04:19:47 < dongs> i had pretty good luck with this$5-ish USB3>2.5" hdd dongle thing
2016-03-28T04:20:05 < dongs> its molded plastic thing with all the parts inside so i dont know what is in it but it works ok
2016-03-28T04:20:12 < dongs> actually get >100meg/sec reads so i dont mind
2016-03-28T04:20:31 < PeterM> yeah, all it needs is an xtal, a 3v3 regulator, some caps adn the usb3->sata chip
2016-03-28T04:20:38 < dongs> http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_272022_1.jpg
2016-03-28T04:20:40 < dongs> this chink shit
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2016-03-28T04:26:15 < dongs> was original from dx  too
2016-03-28T04:34:51 < dongs> doesnt lecroy have some scam where more channels rip from bandwidth
2016-03-28T04:35:00 < dongs> 1ch is 1ghz, but 4ch is like 256mhz
2016-03-28T04:35:35 < dongs> is that a fucking receipt pritner on teh top
2016-03-28T04:40:00 < dongs> i'll sell you my DPO4034
2016-03-28T04:40:05 < dongs> with 4 probes
2016-03-28T04:42:51 < dongs> replaced with MDO4104-6
2016-03-28T04:44:20 < dongs> yeah it has LCD screen bigger than ohsix's laptop
2016-03-28T04:51:04 < jadew> I woudln't mind a MDO either, except I don't really need it
2016-03-28T04:51:57 < ohsix> dongs: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo
2016-03-28T04:52:22 < dongs> ohsix, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on.
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2016-03-28T05:05:42 < Laurenceb_> https://politics.slashdot.org/story/16/03/27/1740212/researcher-measures-brain-reactions-to-donald-trump
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2016-03-28T05:46:51 < Laurenceb_> so where is this famous open ECU?
2016-03-28T05:47:05 < Laurenceb_> I see rusefi but its ancient and unfinished
2016-03-28T05:53:36 < dongs> my efnet pal is doing a closed one that actually works
2016-03-28T05:53:50 < dongs> he's selling it or somsehit, i just halp arrange production
2016-03-28T05:54:07 < dongs> open stuff = usually unfinished aids
2016-03-28T05:55:56 < Laurenceb_> this looks finished http://pi-innovo.com/product/#advantages
2016-03-28T05:56:02 < Laurenceb_> unclear how open it really is
2016-03-28T05:56:07 < Laurenceb_> also simulink aids
2016-03-28T05:56:38 < PeterM> >rugged
2016-03-28T05:56:47 < Laurenceb_> ooh http://pi-innovo.com/downloads/
2016-03-28T05:57:01 < Laurenceb_> looks like freeware/freemium or something
2016-03-28T05:57:09 < dongs> "Chinese"?
2016-03-28T05:57:09 < Laurenceb_> quite nice apart from the simulink aids
2016-03-28T05:57:25 < dongs> Pisnoop?
2016-03-28T05:57:26 < dongs> what hte ufck
2016-03-28T05:57:29 < dongs> they run it on aspieberrypi?
2016-03-28T05:57:40 < Laurenceb_> lul GNU GCC as a download
2016-03-28T05:58:03 < dongs> looks like complete fucking aids
2016-03-28T05:58:58 < Laurenceb_> ah Cambridge UK
2016-03-28T05:59:00 < Laurenceb_> britfags
2016-03-28T05:59:04 < dongs> processor MPC5674F
2016-03-28T05:59:18 < dongs> oh what the hell more powerpc garbage
2016-03-28T05:59:31 < Laurenceb_> everyone in this country seems to be obsessed with simulink and labview
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2016-03-28T06:00:39 < Laurenceb_> CUNTry
2016-03-28T06:01:03 < dongs> hm yea all thier shit is some NXP powerpc thing
2016-03-28T06:01:38 < Laurenceb_> I think ST have a clone of that
2016-03-28T06:01:50 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/integrated-circuits-ics/embedded-microcontrollers/2556109?k=MPC5534
2016-03-28T06:01:53 < dongs> "low cost"
2016-03-28T06:02:00 < dongs> wtf so many pins
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2016-03-28T06:02:23 < Laurenceb_> BGA in an ECU
2016-03-28T06:02:29 < Laurenceb_> wtf thats going to go wrong
2016-03-28T06:02:37 < dongs> should be dip?
2016-03-28T06:02:42 < Laurenceb_> maybe they could flood it with epoxy, apple style
2016-03-28T06:02:54 < PeterM> thermal cyclying with fuck it
2016-03-28T06:03:00 < PeterM> even if epoxy filled
2016-03-28T06:05:00  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2016-03-28T06:05:42 < ohsix> none of these letters look like stm32 in some sort of arrangement or agglomeration
2016-03-28T06:06:41 < ohsix> dongs: i'm meeting drano in a few hours, wat should i do
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2016-03-28T06:54:54 < ohsix> oog crimzon clover is ossumm
2016-03-28T06:55:54 < ohsix> don't even like those games but it's got a progressive difficulty mode that lets you have fun
2016-03-28T07:01:06 < englishman> what is the point of a new, closedsores ecu these days
2016-03-28T07:01:14 < englishman> motec is dirt cheap, does everything and actually works
2016-03-28T07:01:48 < englishman> theres already overpriced amateur shit that sucks, like pectel
2016-03-28T07:02:10 < ohsix> so you can draw all that business to yourself and you can talk shit about open source stuff
2016-03-28T07:02:15 < ohsix> you only have to be slightly better
2016-03-28T07:03:02 < englishman> better than what?
2016-03-28T07:03:16 < ohsix> the open source ones
2016-03-28T07:03:22 < ohsix> 'the point of a new closed source ecu'
2016-03-28T07:03:44 < ohsix> you could do that without being closed source but you won't direct all of the support to yourself
2016-03-28T07:25:32 < ohsix> then you start trolling on the tuner forums
2016-03-28T07:25:35 < ohsix> you win business
2016-03-28T07:36:53 < dongs> clear
2016-03-28T07:36:56 < ohsix> :[
2016-03-28T07:36:58 < dongs> fucking useless spam
2016-03-28T07:37:14 < ohsix> i could just leave, i don't know if you're trolling or wat
2016-03-28T07:37:28 < ohsix> i liked exchanging pictures of junk shops tho
2016-03-28T07:37:29 < ohsix> 4real
2016-03-28T07:40:17 < ohsix> i wouldn't have been looking at that window if drano didn't just say 'wtf is snow' and cancel
2016-03-28T07:40:25 < ohsix> so alone
2016-03-28T07:44:46 < ohsix> dongs more like DPNGS, or DPRKS
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2016-03-28T08:41:58 < ohsix> heh during this testing i wrote like 200gb over the network, and it didn't take days, that's pretty awesome
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2016-03-28T09:13:46 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Basic-watch-pcb-copy-redesign/
2016-03-28T09:14:08 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/BTC-miner-development/ haha
2016-03-28T09:14:57 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Manufacturing/Manufacture-Product-for-10061994/
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2016-03-28T09:17:13 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/PCB-routing-for-open-hardware/ haha, TOFE/HDMI2USB guy is l ooking for someone to do the hard work of actually doing something serious in kikecad
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2016-03-28T09:20:17 < ohsix> little late to the show for bitcoin
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2016-03-28T09:20:47 < dongs> china has it solved already.
2016-03-28T09:22:21 < dongs> if an indian could develop a 10th/sec miner for $450
2016-03-28T09:22:25 < dongs> he would just do that instead.
2016-03-28T09:22:32 < dongs> of bidding $450 on feelancer.
2016-03-28T09:24:42 < ohsix> has nothing to do with nationality or anything
2016-03-28T09:25:42 < ohsix> bitcoin isn't quite dead, but to get into it now to make miner asics, it's just scaling them out and there are/were people already doing that, they'd have to do something extraordinary
2016-03-28T09:29:25 < dongs> you could do buttcoin on stm32
2016-03-28T09:29:29 < dongs> very slowly.
2016-03-28T09:29:35 < dongs> just for lols.
2016-03-28T09:29:57 < ohsix> aren't there ones with sha acceleration instructions
2016-03-28T09:30:22 < dongs> probly not in a way that can be used for buttcoin? no idea
2016-03-28T09:34:42 < upgrdman> more NXP bullshit. lpc1768 has one spi and two ssp periph's. ssp is like their decent version of spi. the "spi" periph can't do dma and does not even have a FUCKING TX FIFO.
2016-03-28T09:35:02 < upgrdman> so a 100pin mcu with two usably spi periphs. wtf.
2016-03-28T09:36:11 < dongs> it gets better
2016-03-28T09:36:21 < dongs> BGA version is onl rated for 100mhz
2016-03-28T09:36:23 < dongs> tqfp, 120
2016-03-28T09:36:28 < upgrdman> lolol
2016-03-28T09:36:29 < dongs> same fucking product otherwise.
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2016-03-28T09:36:32 < dongs> *and*
2016-03-28T09:36:50 < dongs> despite being 100 pin, BGA version is missing one or two pins that exist in tqfp
2016-03-28T09:36:55 < dongs> i forgot what they were
2016-03-28T09:36:57 < dongs> but it was something annoying
2016-03-28T09:37:03 < upgrdman> hah
2016-03-28T09:37:45 < dongs> im loking at some trash with sam3x
2016-03-28T09:37:51 < dongs> and that thing is really awful too
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2016-03-28T09:38:07 < dongs> stdperiph is bad but asf/libsam shit is even more awful
2016-03-28T09:38:16 < dongs> also fact that practically NOBODY uses it so theres zero info
2016-03-28T09:38:26 < ohsix> only took a little peek at lpc stuff and it looked nice
2016-03-28T09:38:35 < ohsix> vaguely remember libsam
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2016-03-28T09:44:50 < dongs> upgrdman: wat are you programming the lpc shit with, mbed?
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2016-03-28T09:45:07 < upgrdman> lpcLink2
2016-03-28T09:45:17 < dongs> yeah i mean libs
2016-03-28T09:45:24 < dongs> or just raw register dicking
2016-03-28T09:45:29 < upgrdman> oh. just raw dicking
2016-03-28T09:45:37 < upgrdman> except for flash write bullshit
2016-03-28T09:45:52 < dongs> well you gotta call ROM shit for that anyway.
2016-03-28T09:47:10 < dongs> top secret flash erase algos
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2016-03-28T11:11:56 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZSU1FPDiao watching that dieselgate presentation, covers lots of stuff; i should probably read that report :<
2016-03-28T11:14:54 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Quad-video-display-multiplexer/
2016-03-28T11:15:05 < dongs> who teh fuck needs 4 screens in nigeria
2016-03-28T11:18:11 < ohsix> maybe they're multiboxing wow gold
2016-03-28T11:20:39 < ohsix> dongs set me up
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2016-03-28T11:27:05 < ohsix> hm heh
2016-03-28T11:27:15 < ohsix> kind of understanding how people are able to do so much with the ecus
2016-03-28T11:27:30 < ohsix> i didn't know there were so few software vendors and basically everyone uses a thing from bosch
2016-03-28T11:27:50 < ohsix> it's kind of like uhh, phoenix providing x86 bios code
2016-03-28T11:27:58 < ohsix> american megaboners
2016-03-28T11:40:23 < ohsix> dang hitachi makes everything in old subarus
2016-03-28T11:48:03 < dongs> https://www.arduino.cc/en/Reference/BitRead
2016-03-28T11:48:04 < dongs> fuck me
2016-03-28T11:48:06 < dongs> why does this even exist
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2016-03-28T11:50:04 < ohsix> cuz people know they want to do that but not necessarily how
2016-03-28T11:50:23 < ohsix> there are things that actually matter
2016-03-28T11:50:26 < ohsix> this isn't one of them
2016-03-28T11:51:02 < ohsix> even if you can do it the 'right way', how readable is it to people who might want to use it :<
2016-03-28T11:51:16 < dongs> um
2016-03-28T11:51:19 < ohsix> the resulting code will be similar function call or not
2016-03-28T11:51:24 < lorenzo> Reads a bit of a number.
2016-03-28T11:51:25 < lorenzo> ... what?
2016-03-28T11:51:29 < jadew> if you can't do it the right way, you're not supposed to be doing it (yet)
2016-03-28T11:51:34 < lorenzo> like ... & bit ?
2016-03-28T11:51:38 < dongs> lorenzo: correct
2016-03-28T11:51:43 < dongs> jadew: that x 100000 correct
2016-03-28T11:51:43 < ohsix> like << and mask
2016-03-28T11:52:01 < ohsix> so what are people supposed to do if they need to do it
2016-03-28T11:52:05 < ohsix> they can just go do it, yay
2016-03-28T11:52:16 < jadew> they can learn how to do it
2016-03-28T11:52:30 < lorenzo> ohsix: it's an 8-bit micro with a decent compiler, you can learn it in under a day
2016-03-28T11:52:42 < lorenzo> unless you're an artist
2016-03-28T11:52:44 < lorenzo> then you're fucked anyway
2016-03-28T11:52:44 < dongs> if you want to do something wiht bits
2016-03-28T11:52:50 < ohsix> yes
2016-03-28T11:52:55 < ohsix> but why insert it as a barrier
2016-03-28T11:52:57 < dongs> but it cant be arsed to figure out what << or & does
2016-03-28T11:53:05 < dongs> then just find another hobby
2016-03-28T11:53:11 < ohsix> they can't be arsed to figure out what most of C is
2016-03-28T11:53:14 < ohsix> wiring is a subset of C
2016-03-28T11:53:21 < ohsix> you're already down the rabbit hole
2016-03-28T11:53:25 < dongs> thats why 100% of arduino code is fucking garbage
2016-03-28T11:53:54 < ohsix> it only matters to you though, and you're not even doing it
2016-03-28T11:54:04 < ohsix> http://wiring.org.co/reference/
2016-03-28T11:54:11 < jpa-> though bitWrite() is annoying enough to do "correctly" that a macro is nice
2016-03-28T11:54:19 < jpa-> and once you have that, why not have bitRead() also
2016-03-28T11:54:24 < ohsix> there are macros in the arduino headers too
2016-03-28T11:54:31 < ohsix> _B*something
2016-03-28T11:54:44 < jadew> those are the avr headers
2016-03-28T11:54:56 < lorenzo> meh, what I don't like about arduino is that it completely forgets to teach the basics
2016-03-28T11:55:01 < ohsix> yea that means they're the arduino headers too
2016-03-28T11:55:04 < lorenzo> no one is using a watchdog timer in their sketches
2016-03-28T11:55:09 < ohsix> _BV
2016-03-28T11:55:10 < jadew> lorenzo, they don't forget, they don't want to
2016-03-28T11:55:11 < lorenzo> also delay(60000) ever heard of sleep and timers..
2016-03-28T11:55:28 < jadew> lorenzo, that's not the same
2016-03-28T11:55:29 < ohsix> jadew: they probably want to, but why frontload all that stuff when you can just do it
2016-03-28T11:55:38 < jpa-> lorenzo: did you ever hear about real world requirements, fullfilling them and that being "good enough"?
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2016-03-28T11:55:55 < lorenzo> jpa-: well sorry I care a bit about what I do :p
2016-03-28T11:55:55 < ohsix> they're already 'doing' something they might have no idea is actually going on but it works and shit, a continuity of working is good for learning
2016-03-28T11:56:10 < jpa-> instead of masturbating over coloumbs and bytes saved, you can more over to next project
2016-03-28T11:56:23 < jadew> lorenzo, you can't replace a hard delay() with a sleep or a timer
2016-03-28T11:56:42 < jpa-> *move
2016-03-28T11:57:13 < jpa-> lorenzo: at some point you might also realize that what you consider "caring" may not be as useful as you think
2016-03-28T11:57:27 < jpa-> everyone has different set of priorities
2016-03-28T11:57:28 < ohsix> you need to make an ultrapro.h header that just raises #error on all the methods that aren't cool enough
2016-03-28T11:57:49 < ohsix> #error here is how you do this for real bitRead = etc
2016-03-28T11:57:55 < ohsix> then they can add it and become pro
2016-03-28T11:57:59 < lorenzo> jpa-: right
2016-03-28T11:58:25 < dongs> ohsix: great idea, you better kickstart that
2016-03-28T11:58:34 < ohsix> even if you weren't using bitRead or whatever, you're still probably using something like _BV to set a bunch of random bits, and bv is there
2016-03-28T11:59:00 < jadew> I use & and | and shifting
2016-03-28T11:59:25 < ohsix> i use whatever jjj.de uses, blessings be upon him
2016-03-28T11:59:47 < ohsix> wizards don't exist, but jjj exists
2016-03-28T11:59:53 < jpa-> and to set a bit you write       fooreg = (fooreg & ~4) | (v ? 4 : 0);   ?  such readable
2016-03-28T11:59:55 < jpa-> much pro
2016-03-28T11:59:59 < jadew> because I spent the 20 minutes to learn how to use them and now I can use them in every language
2016-03-28T12:00:22 < ohsix> only thing you really need to be pro for is bitfield extraction so you don't do bitread, bitread shift, bitread shift
2016-03-28T12:00:55 < ohsix> it would be funny to see someone try and do find first bit set with bitread and a loop or something
2016-03-28T12:01:00 < ohsix> by that point you probably should be pro
2016-03-28T12:02:24 < jadew> ohsix, thing is you don't have to be pro for that
2016-03-28T12:02:31 < jadew> you just have to know how bit operations work
2016-03-28T12:02:36 < lorenzo> ohsix: I think there are a few CISC architectures with an opcode just for that :D
2016-03-28T12:02:46 < jadew> and if you're using bitread and bitwrite all day long, you'll never get a grip on it
2016-03-28T12:03:01 < lorenzo> like m68k had "find first one"
2016-03-28T12:03:18 < ohsix> jadew: i'm using pro in the strawman sense that was introduced earlier :p
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2016-03-28T12:03:33 < ohsix> lorenzo: avr has an instruction for it too, iirc
2016-03-28T12:04:07 < jadew> ohsix, I think everyone agrees that a macro is useful sometimes, but relying solely on macros with no idea on how even these simple things work, won't help you in the long run
2016-03-28T12:04:19 < ohsix> ya you can't go pro with a macro
2016-03-28T12:04:40 < ohsix> you need to be able to look at a .hex file like it was the matrixz
2016-03-28T12:04:44 < jpa-> or you can, because it is not that hard to learn
2016-03-28T12:04:49 < ohsix> and see that cypher is going to try and kill you
2016-03-28T12:05:00 < jpa-> it's not a thing that requires years of practice, it takes 10 minutes when you need it the first time
2016-03-28T12:05:05 < jpa-> you just have to know its there
2016-03-28T12:05:38 < jadew> it takes 10 minutes, but if you see this: fooreg = (fooreg & ~4) | (v ? 4 : 0); and it's a problem for you, then it has crippled you as a developer
2016-03-28T12:06:03 < jadew> because it's not only about writing your own code, it's also about the ability to read other people's code
2016-03-28T12:06:12 < ohsix> if you are putting incomprehensible stuff in arduino code you expect other people to use it doesn't really help
2016-03-28T12:06:13 < lorenzo> nah
2016-03-28T12:06:16 < lorenzo> unreadable code = job security
2016-03-28T12:06:17 < lorenzo> :p
2016-03-28T12:06:23 < jadew> heh
2016-03-28T12:06:31 < jadew> however, what he posted is not unreadable code
2016-03-28T12:06:40 < jpa-> no, but it is ugly :)
2016-03-28T12:06:42 < jadew> and tbh, I have no issue with it
2016-03-28T12:06:44 < jadew> it is
2016-03-28T12:07:03 < ohsix> the audience for the code is definitely implied when the conversation starts like this one did, 'why does bitread exist'
2016-03-28T12:07:06 < jadew> but it's not at the point that would bother me
2016-03-28T12:08:18 < ohsix> 105. SBRS – Skip if Bit in Register is Set
2016-03-28T12:08:34 < ohsix> there's an argument to be made about orthogonality with the instruction set here
2016-03-28T12:08:52 < jadew> that's a great instruction
2016-03-28T12:08:53 < ohsix> there's also/set/clear and skip if clear instruction
2016-03-28T12:11:36 < ohsix> don't see popcount / bsf type instruction though, must have been thinking of something else
2016-03-28T12:12:23 < ohsix> http://jjj.de/bitwizardry/bitwizardrypage.html jjj.de for the uninitiated
2016-03-28T12:12:31 < ohsix> there's also a book with all sorts of great dumb stuff in it
2016-03-28T12:13:44 < ohsix> at the bottom it's got clever bitcount and ith bit set functions
2016-03-28T12:14:40 < jadew> the average stuff is nice
2016-03-28T12:14:40 < ohsix> i wish i was formally tought discrete mathematics :< i'm a big dumb
2016-03-28T12:14:42 < jadew> and useful
2016-03-28T12:15:06 < jadew> thanks for the link, it has some good stuff
2016-03-28T12:15:07 < ohsix> you know the float to integer division trick carmack or abrash is credited with
2016-03-28T12:15:13 < lorenzo> http://jjj.de/fxt/fxtbook.pdf looks good
2016-03-28T12:15:40 < ohsix> hm maybe it wasn't ftol but something else, anyways it has a neat magic coefficient
2016-03-28T12:16:10 < jadew> that book looks like a good read
2016-03-28T12:16:26 < ohsix> ahh it was fast inverse square root, not ftol
2016-03-28T12:16:38 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root
2016-03-28T12:16:52 < ohsix> that's wizard level stuff
2016-03-28T12:17:44 < Sync> naw
2016-03-28T12:18:18 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xATi_9seuk
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2016-03-28T12:20:11 < jadew> ohsix, funny they still don't know who came up with it
2016-03-28T12:20:26 < ohsix> yea some of the best things are like that
2016-03-28T12:20:41 < ohsix> kind of like that asshole that worked at the patent office and was writing all those theoretical physics papers
2016-03-28T12:20:44 < ohsix> at least they remember his name
2016-03-28T12:21:33 < lorenzo> lol
2016-03-28T12:22:02 < lorenzo> albert something ..
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2016-03-28T12:29:16 < ohsix> hm i'm surprised that with everything google indexes now that they can't find it in a random book or paper, or at least more information
2016-03-28T12:29:46 < ohsix> it might be from a hardware designer
2016-03-28T12:30:52 < ohsix> or maybe something that didn't have wide circulation, like programming manuals for early vector processors, graphics workstations, or datasheets for early vector/graphics processors
2016-03-28T12:32:32 < jadew> could be very old
2016-03-28T12:32:38 < jadew> considering nobody came forth to claim it
2016-03-28T12:34:22 < ohsix> yea the person that came up with it might not have thought it was even novel
2016-03-28T12:34:37 < jadew> yeah
2016-03-28T12:34:46 < lorenzo> http://www.felixcloutier.com/x86/RSQRTSS.html
2016-03-28T12:35:01 < ohsix> there's lots of stuff only in print in one book somewhere that very few people know about, but everyone that does puts it into what they're working on
2016-03-28T12:35:01 < jadew> there were lots of tricks back in the day for fast math
2016-03-28T12:35:02 < lorenzo> ah looks like it's in mmx since '99
2016-03-28T12:35:06 < jadew> specifically related to graphics
2016-03-28T12:35:19 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-28T12:35:32 < ohsix> depending on how far you go back there aren't actually many engineers doing it either
2016-03-28T12:35:59 < ohsix> could have been as few as 100 people or something working on hardware 3d or vector processors when they came up with it
2016-03-28T12:36:12 < ohsix> they'd all be 'classically trained' cuz that job didn't exist when they were in school or whatever :p
2016-03-28T12:36:48 < jadew> speaking of which, I'm thinking of going back to school
2016-03-28T12:37:42 < jadew> I didn't finish college and I'm not sure how that's going to affect me in the future
2016-03-28T12:38:45 < jadew> it sucks to go to school and learn shit you already know
2016-03-28T12:40:02 < lorenzo> jadew: fuckups are pretty common when it comes to life things, I think I've picked the wrong college thing
2016-03-28T12:40:12 < ohsix> you could have a postmodern perspective on it in the sense that you didn't really know the subject
2016-03-28T12:40:35 < ohsix> since being taught it will be different from how you learned it, plus there will be more background
2016-03-28T12:41:02 < jadew> yeah, the background is nice, but it ends fast
2016-03-28T12:41:20 < jadew> after you go through the first computers, ADA and you reach modern days, that's it
2016-03-28T12:41:26 < jadew> it's all boredom
2016-03-28T12:41:46 < lorenzo> well no one really knows anything, since we learn by language, and there's a unbrudgeable differance between the word and the object it refers to
2016-03-28T12:41:46 < jadew> and now that part will be boredom too, because I already did it a couple of times already
2016-03-28T12:41:51 < ohsix> probably
2016-03-28T12:42:08 < ohsix> i'd still like to see a lecture even if it was about somethign i already knew
2016-03-28T12:42:26 < ohsix> a person delivering material has their own experience that doesn't quite transfer from a book, or books
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2016-03-28T12:42:46 < jadew> ohsix, yeah, some lectures are nice
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2016-03-28T12:43:03 < jadew> I did enjoy math tho
2016-03-28T12:43:10 < lorenzo> fuckin' thinkpad shuts itself down
2016-03-28T12:43:40 < ohsix> a lot of the ccc presentations cover a lot of stuff i already know, but they have them as context for the thing they're doing so you don't have to read into it which was important or implied
2016-03-28T12:44:18 < jadew> what is ccc?
2016-03-28T12:45:10 < ohsix> chaos communications congress or something
2016-03-28T12:46:52 < jadew> there's never any interesting conference or gathering happening in my country
2016-03-28T12:47:03 < lorenzo> same :/
2016-03-28T12:47:18 < jadew> lorenzo, where are you from?
2016-03-28T12:47:21 < lorenzo> italy
2016-03-28T12:48:05 < jadew> yeah, can't say I've heard of a seminar I wanted to go to that was being held in Italy
2016-03-28T12:48:11 < lorenzo> there are a few camps about hardware and hacking and diy but I got bored after two or three times
2016-03-28T12:48:31 < jadew> I'm not sure we even have that
2016-03-28T12:48:31 < lorenzo> linux days were good, actual developers speaking, but since 2007-2008 they've become more of a "bring us your laptop and we'll install ubuntu" thing
2016-03-28T12:48:40 < ohsix> hm snippets.org disappeared
2016-03-28T12:49:26 < jadew> lorenzo, not a great growd to learn from (linux developers) :P
2016-03-28T12:49:27 < ohsix> there's lots of stuff going on in germany almost all the time
2016-03-28T12:49:47 < jadew> unless they were working on any of the cool stuff
2016-03-28T12:49:51 < jadew> that actually work
2016-03-28T12:49:57 < jadew> yeah
2016-03-28T12:49:59 < lorenzo> yeah, germany seems to be the most active community in europe in that regard
2016-03-28T12:50:03 < jadew> germany is full of these conferences
2016-03-28T12:50:09 < jadew> yep
2016-03-28T12:50:22 < jadew> probably that's why all the migrants went there
2016-03-28T12:50:35 < jadew> education opportunities
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2016-03-28T12:51:30 < ohsix> might be a centroid of population in europe or something
2016-03-28T12:51:38 < jadew> it must have to do with the auto industry
2016-03-28T12:51:47 < jadew> there are a lot of other stuff revolving that
2016-03-28T12:51:54 < lorenzo> I don't think so
2016-03-28T12:51:59 < lorenzo> italy has strong automotive too
2016-03-28T12:52:06 < lorenzo> but that has had no influence on anything else
2016-03-28T12:52:07 < lorenzo> :/
2016-03-28T12:52:09 < jadew> not as strong as germany tho
2016-03-28T12:52:23 < jadew> they're world leaders
2016-03-28T12:52:51 < ohsix> yea germany is in the middle of everything
2016-03-28T12:53:26 < ohsix> only some northern swedes and finlanders have to travel real far
2016-03-28T12:53:51 < jadew> heh
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2016-03-28T12:54:22 < jadew> I visited germany a couple of times, can't say I'd like to go there anymore
2016-03-28T12:54:52 < jadew> I mean, I'd like to, but I'm not sure it's safe
2016-03-28T12:55:15 < jadew> I've seen some terrifying videos from the highways
2016-03-28T12:55:34 < ohsix> have you seen the good ones that nobody posts to the internet cuz it wasn't a crash :>
2016-03-28T12:56:59 < jadew> I got this thumbnail in one of my "Recommended for you" videos on youtube: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/r6qQfQ5rImY/hqdefault.jpg
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2016-03-28T12:57:21 < Steffann> sure it was youtube?
2016-03-28T12:57:39 < jadew> holly crap
2016-03-28T12:57:42 < jadew> it's not censored
2016-03-28T12:58:07 < ohsix> the breast one?
2016-03-28T12:58:11 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6qQfQ5rImY#t=1m26s
2016-03-28T12:58:17 < Steffann> jadew do you want to say highways in romania are safer?
2016-03-28T12:58:19 < ohsix> ah
2016-03-28T12:58:21 < jadew> NSFW
2016-03-28T12:58:35 < ohsix> jadew: yea there's a type fo spam on youtube where they have some 'medical' / educational value
2016-03-28T12:58:37 < Steffann> but this is educational, then its ok
2016-03-28T12:58:45 < ohsix> there's one g oing around where the thumb is someone playing with their boobs
2016-03-28T12:58:54 < ohsix> 15:02 < ohsix:#multiwii> https://i.ytimg.com/vi_webp/WnQFJGKwy0M/mqdefault.webp seems like a legit educational video
2016-03-28T12:59:31 < ohsix> you can get away with a model with large breasts playing with them if milk comes out
2016-03-28T13:02:36 < jadew> ohsix, do you have the link to the one with the breasts?
2016-03-28T13:02:54 < jadew> I want to have it in my history so I get recommended more such educational videos :D
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2016-03-28T13:03:17 < timemob> laurenceb beep
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2016-03-28T13:05:12 < zyp> laurencebeep
2016-03-28T13:05:43 < ohsix> jadew: that link there
2016-03-28T13:05:59 < jadew> ohsix, I meant of the video
2016-03-28T13:06:08 < ohsix> yea use the video id in the url:p
2016-03-28T13:06:34 < jadew> didn't realize it's the video ID
2016-03-28T13:06:49 < jadew> thumbed up
2016-03-28T13:06:56 < ohsix> yea all the metadata related to youtube junk goes with the video id
2016-03-28T13:07:14 < ohsix> except the vide/audio streams, cuz that would be too easy
2016-03-28T13:07:38 < jadew> heh
2016-03-28T13:08:09 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYshVbcEmUc
2016-03-28T13:09:32 < jadew> are they going to pay for old iphones?
2016-03-28T13:09:45 < ohsix> why does the main board have platinum on it
2016-03-28T13:09:53 < ohsix> nah it's just a promotional thing
2016-03-28T13:09:59 < jadew> I doubt it has
2016-03-28T13:10:11 < ohsix> they handle their own returns/refub, they can take advantage of waste stream for repairing other phones
2016-03-28T13:10:27 < ohsix> the video says it does, and it's probably not a lie; just don't know what it would be on
2016-03-28T13:10:44 < jadew> is platinum a better conductor than gold?
2016-03-28T13:11:24 < ohsix> 911 Metallurgist, which helps mines and recyclers extract precious metals from ore and, apparently, phones, has exhaustively checked the iPhones and other mobile devices. Each iPhone 5, for instance, contains $1.58 of gold, $.36 of silver, $.05 of platinum, and $.12 of copper.
2016-03-28T13:11:29 < ohsix> i don't think so
2016-03-28T13:12:00 < ohsix> it's probably in one of the fancy semiconductor chemistry parts
2016-03-28T13:12:04 < ohsix> power amp or something
2016-03-28T13:12:44 < ohsix> articles going way back say there is platinum in it
2016-03-28T13:14:22 < jadew> $1.58 of gold is a lot
2016-03-28T13:14:35 < jadew> I wonder how easy it would be to recover it tho
2016-03-28T13:14:47 < Steffann> 1.58.. using what gold price?
2016-03-28T13:14:52 < Steffann> march 2016?
2016-03-28T13:15:42 < jadew> apr 2013
2016-03-28T13:16:48 < jadew> ah, looks like it has gone down quite a lot
2016-03-28T13:17:00 < Steffann> not really..
2016-03-28T13:17:20 < jadew> from 2013?
2016-03-28T13:17:24 < jadew> http://goldprice.org/
2016-03-28T13:17:26 < Steffann> oh i was looking wrong
2016-03-28T13:17:39 < Steffann> it went down fast begin 2013
2016-03-28T13:17:45 < jadew> yeah
2016-03-28T13:17:55 < jadew> I guess that's when the bubble burst
2016-03-28T13:18:04 < jadew> I suppose it's going to keep going down
2016-03-28T13:18:52 < jadew> a lot of people bought gold back then because they were afraid of a total collapse
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2016-03-28T13:24:55 < Steffann> Crazy people.
2016-03-28T13:24:57 < dongs> lawl
2016-03-28T13:25:20 < dongs> zyp: anything in 2.4ghz dumb-rf stuff that can do ~512kbit over ~200meters?
2016-03-28T13:25:26 < dongs> one way
2016-03-28T13:26:13 < zyp> I don't have enough experience to say
2016-03-28T13:26:32 < zyp> but I guess some of that shit with external PA chips should have decent range
2016-03-28T13:26:57 < zyp> I bought some cc3000 or whatever like that from ebay, but I never had time to dick around with those
2016-03-28T13:27:23 < dongs> ya sure with PA.
2016-03-28T13:27:26 < dongs> but is datarate doable?
2016-03-28T13:27:58 < zyp> idk, sounds a bit high
2016-03-28T13:28:04 < zyp> 512k continous?
2016-03-28T13:28:07 < dongs> yes
2016-03-28T13:28:15 < dongs> ~240k payload and FEC
2016-03-28T13:28:29 < Steffann> nrf24 cant do that with some fancy PA?
2016-03-28T13:28:31 < ohsix> there's usually a 2mbit mode thing on those gfsk rxtx
2016-03-28T13:28:37 < zyp> yeah
2016-03-28T13:28:51 < zyp> cheap rf shit is usually 1mbit/2mbit signalling
2016-03-28T13:29:05 < zyp> but I wouldn't assume I could get 100% duty out of that
2016-03-28T13:29:25 < ohsix> one of those spring antennas might go pretty far no idea how far tho
2016-03-28T13:29:35 < zyp> might have to look at wifi shit
2016-03-28T13:29:52 < dongs> no wifi
2016-03-28T13:29:56 < zyp> proper wifi setup could do that easily
2016-03-28T13:30:02 < ohsix> 200 meters is a bit for wifi too
2016-03-28T13:30:14 < zyp> not with directional antenna
2016-03-28T13:30:16 < dongs> might take apart one of hte things they wanna clone and seee how they do it
2016-03-28T13:31:37 < ohsix> will probably need certification for use in the band if 512kbit is an average rate
2016-03-28T13:34:09 < dongs> 512kbit would be constant rate.
2016-03-28T13:37:32 < Steffann> What are you inventing?
2016-03-28T13:38:37 < dongs> nothing much, cloning some existing shit (maybe)
2016-03-28T13:38:46 < dongs> just assburgering if worth putting my into into it
2016-03-28T13:38:51 < dongs> er my TIME into it
2016-03-28T13:43:28 < PeterM> 200m LOS is a peice of cake for pretty much any non-ultra low power shit
2016-03-28T13:51:39 < ohsix> jadew: the floating point that makes that inverse square root thing was only standardized as ieee754 the year before the oldest thing people think it came from
2016-03-28T13:51:51 < ohsix> not much more to look at if there was an earlier source
2016-03-28T13:52:58 < jadew> do they say how they came up with the constant?
2016-03-28T13:53:30 < ohsix> yea the note basically does
2016-03-28T13:55:04 < ohsix> just says the exact value doesn't have a known source
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2016-03-28T14:06:52 < ohsix> https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/~m32rober/rsqrt.pdf
2016-03-28T14:06:59 < ohsix> heh this mentions q3 possibly being leaked
2016-03-28T14:07:14 < ohsix> i had a copy of that, someone tried to publish it as their own engine, called it 'golk'
2016-03-28T14:07:44 < ohsix> there used to be a website called 3d engines list or something, that's where it was before people figured it out
2016-03-28T14:14:48 < lorenzo> let's see if honeywell is kind enough to ship us some sensors
2016-03-28T14:15:08 < lorenzo> they want to "meet to discuss" lol
2016-03-28T14:15:19 < PeterM> can't you just like... buy them?
2016-03-28T14:15:38 < lorenzo> PeterM: of course, I've added a few of those into the next mouser order
2016-03-28T14:16:03 < lorenzo> just wanted to play around a bit with their dodgy looking web forms
2016-03-28T14:16:50 < PeterM> fair enough - i usuallyo nly ever looks for samples when distributors are out of stock or i can't get in less than 1kunits
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2016-03-28T14:23:20 < dongs> failguy spent 8 hours yesterday trying to find "bug"
2016-03-28T14:23:29 < dongs> blamed everything from compiler to chip having faulty ram
2016-03-28T14:23:38 < dongs> problem: dumbfuck was sprintf()'ing into a tiny buffer
2016-03-28T14:25:21 < dongs> y
2016-03-28T14:27:12 < jpa-> who uses sprintf() :F
2016-03-28T14:27:20 < dongs> same guys who use bitRead
2016-03-28T14:27:23 < dongs> thats wehre I saw it
2016-03-28T14:27:45 < dongs> he was actualyl using it indirectly, some dumb lib provided a dumblib.Printf()
2016-03-28T14:28:27  * jadew wrote his own buffer printing stuff that's much smaller and efficient
2016-03-28T14:28:46 < dongs> i dont realyl give a shit in *my* projects cuz keil printf/etc stuff is great
2016-03-28T14:29:03 < dongs> i see all those tiny-printf etc shits and they're just dumb hacks
2016-03-28T14:29:15 < dongs> keil printf *with* float support is smaller than the dumb miniprintf from opensores
2016-03-28T14:29:21 < jadew> you know... in C++ it can be done at compile time :)
2016-03-28T14:29:31 < jadew> at least the type checking part
2016-03-28T14:30:06 < ReadError> PeterM so, its impossible to get 18650s shipped to USA from fasttech now ;(\
2016-03-28T14:30:21 < dongs> no more vaping for you, faggot
2016-03-28T14:30:40 < ReadError> they arent for vaping, gump
2016-03-28T14:30:45 < dongs> does AOZ have any > 48V in stuff
2016-03-28T14:31:44 < dongs> oh nvm ill just use LM5008 again
2016-03-28T14:31:48 < dongs> futarproof
2016-03-28T14:32:02 < fest> I recently tried using arduino-like framework (Sming) on ESP8266. hit two shitty bugs like that in core framework (buffer overflow in uart handling, not checking malloc/realloc return codes etc)
2016-03-28T14:32:15 < dongs> nice
2016-03-28T14:32:19 < dongs> yeah thats tarduino shit for you
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2016-03-28T14:36:26 < fest> well, in my defense, that was the better option, haha. other ones are: node shit, fully arduino shit (complete with their __easy to use IDE__) and SDK without reasonable documentation.
2016-03-28T14:36:53 < PeterM> ReadError, really?!
2016-03-28T14:37:02 < fest> anyway, should have gone with vendor SDK, as shitty as it is, it at least doesn't introduce any new bugs
2016-03-28T14:37:08 < dongs> PeterM: yea some new rules from april4 or something
2016-03-28T14:37:16 < dongs> no more batteries not packed in equipment
2016-03-28T14:37:17 < dongs> or omsehtin
2016-03-28T14:37:24 < ReadError> no they can still do them
2016-03-28T14:37:27 < ReadError> but dumb rules
2016-03-28T14:37:32 < ReadError> like no more than 30% charged
2016-03-28T14:37:48 < dongs> o yuea and that
2016-03-28T14:37:48 < lorenzo> I'm probably too dumb for it probably but I never got ESP8266 to work reliably
2016-03-28T14:37:55 < lorenzo> reliably as in > 30 days continuous operation
2016-03-28T14:37:59 < dongs> heh
2016-03-28T14:38:06 < lorenzo> at some point something just crashes
2016-03-28T14:38:09 < lorenzo> and that's it.
2016-03-28T14:38:13 < dongs> shitty china silicone
2016-03-28T14:38:54 < fest> lorenzo: the universally accepted way of dealing with that seems to be periodially restarting, lol
2016-03-28T14:39:22 < PeterM> dongs daaaang
2016-03-28T14:39:33 < jadew> or figuring out what it is
2016-03-28T14:40:04 < dongs> PeterM: your vapebiz goin down the tubez?
2016-03-28T14:40:53 < PeterM> nah, i live in AUS, not USA
2016-03-28T14:41:01 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b65_1459091584 ahahaha
2016-03-28T14:41:20 < ReadError> https://www.ups.com/content/us/en/about/news/service_updates/20160111_lithiumbattery_US.html
2016-03-28T14:41:26 < ReadError> i think this is for EVERY country
2016-03-28T14:41:41 < ReadError> The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) has approved amendments to the lithium battery provisions in the ICAO Technical Instructions. Compliance with the new regulations is mandatory effective April 1, 2016. These amendments include:
2016-03-28T14:41:44 < ReadError> international
2016-03-28T14:41:48 < PeterM> yeah, fasttech uses some specific curior for australia
2016-03-28T14:41:50 < PeterM> not ups or dhl
2016-03-28T14:41:57 < ReadError> nah see
2016-03-28T14:42:01 < ReadError> this isnt for UPS either
2016-03-28T14:42:07 < dongs> that guy is def speeding tho
2016-03-28T14:42:12 < dongs> thats a 50kmh zone
2016-03-28T14:42:42 < Steffann> which country is that.. driving left?
2016-03-28T14:42:47 < dongs> jp duh
2016-03-28T14:43:08 < Steffann> oh didnt have sound on before, no i have
2016-03-28T14:43:18 < jadew> interesting that he didn't get knocked out
2016-03-28T14:43:31 < Steffann> it.
2016-03-28T14:43:34 < jadew> I imagine a fight with a bear would be pretty tough
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2016-03-28T14:43:38 < jadew> yeah, it, thanks
2016-03-28T14:44:21 < Steffann> :P
2016-03-28T14:45:07 < Steffann> i dont know.
2016-03-28T14:46:42 < PeterM> 2 secs ill do up an order ReadError
2016-03-28T14:46:49 < PeterM> nope, still fine
2016-03-28T14:47:13 < ReadError> PeterM this new shit hasnt started yet
2016-03-28T14:47:15 < PeterM> 40x 3500mah lg 18650s is still shippable to australia, 4-6 days deleivery, $4
2016-03-28T14:47:20 < ReadError> april 1
2016-03-28T14:48:07 < PeterM> surely they'd have some notification about it
2016-03-28T14:49:15 < dongs> PeterM: rcfaggots "notified" about it by scare tactics
2016-03-28T14:49:25 < dongs> PeterM: "hurry up and buy a buunch of batteries before htey're banned from shipping outside usa"
2016-03-28T14:49:31 < dongs> literally ~ this text
2016-03-28T14:49:37 < ReadError> lol dongs
2016-03-28T14:49:39 < ReadError> fucknugget
2016-03-28T14:49:45 < ReadError> it has nothing to do with the USA
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2016-03-28T14:49:57 < dongs> well i got spam from some hobby places
2016-03-28T14:50:00 < ReadError> its 'international'
2016-03-28T14:50:05 < PeterM> https://www.fasttech.com/forums/shipping
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2016-03-28T14:50:17 < PeterM> surely id see a post here if they expected it to effect them
2016-03-28T14:51:58 < ReadError> well the only thing it effects is air shipments
2016-03-28T14:52:04 < ReadError> so its slowboatin
2016-03-28T14:52:10 < dongs> http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/27/japan-loses-contact-with-newest-space-telescope/
2016-03-28T14:52:13 < dongs> oops
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2016-03-28T14:52:54 < PeterM> ReadError, i dont think it effects privately owned curiour aircraft
2016-03-28T14:53:01 < PeterM> only shipments on passanger aircraft
2016-03-28T14:53:09 < dongs> Radar observations Sunday indicated that Hitomi, which launched on February 17, is in at least five pieces
2016-03-28T14:54:10 < ReadError> haha
2016-03-28T14:54:34 < PeterM> who launched it?
2016-03-28T14:54:41 < fest> "some kind of “energetic event” has occurred" ahaha
2016-03-28T14:54:50 < PeterM> kek
2016-03-28T14:55:01 < dongs> PeterM: japs
2016-03-28T14:55:07 < dongs> that was teh launch i missed last month
2016-03-28T14:55:15 < dongs> that was like few 100km from here
2016-03-28T14:57:12 < PeterM> yeah but who launched it? like people who build space telescopes and satellites etc usually buy rocket capacity from someone else
2016-03-28T14:57:24 < dongs> mitsubishi heavy industiies.
2016-03-28T14:57:39 < dongs> http://h2a.mhi.co.jp/en/
2016-03-28T14:57:41 < dongs> so literally japs
2016-03-28T14:58:12 < PeterM> kek
2016-03-28T14:58:34 < PeterM> ahhwell, if its in 5+ peices then should help with reentry :P
2016-03-28T14:58:46 < dongs> anywa,y it was launched last month
2016-03-28T14:58:52 < dongs> so probly blew up or got hit my some otehr trash
2016-03-28T14:59:00 < dongs> doubt its the launch fault
2016-03-28T14:59:03 < PeterM> yeah
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2016-03-28T15:07:29 < jadew> did I somehow switched my liveleak to japan after clicking on that bear video? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c7f_1459155824
2016-03-28T15:07:53 < jadew> ah, it's China
2016-03-28T15:07:54 < dongs> thats chinks
2016-03-28T15:09:17 < jadew> lol:
2016-03-28T15:09:19 < jadew> https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2016/Mar/28/LiveLeak-dot-com-39b_1459163827-asiansightsmall_1459163835.png?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd29f4c42d3d0e6c9&ec_rate=230
2016-03-28T15:09:26 < jadew> https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2016/Mar/28/LiveLeak-dot-com-da9_1459163857-normalviews_1459163864.png?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd29f4c42d3d0e6c9&ec_rate=230
2016-03-28T15:09:31 < dongs> lmao'd
2016-03-28T15:11:19 < dongs> need a gif of those 2
2016-03-28T15:11:26 < dongs> epileptically switching
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2016-03-28T15:28:03 < dongs> well, fuck this. goin to sleep
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2016-03-28T15:29:14 < jadew> night
2016-03-28T15:29:18 < jadew> I skipped sleep
2016-03-28T15:35:25 < Steffann> dont you have a wife to tell you to go sleep jadew?
2016-03-28T15:35:51 < Steffann> unless you did something else that involved her
2016-03-28T15:36:31 < jadew> I think she gave up on trying to convince me to sleep like normal
2016-03-28T15:37:07 < Steffann> hehe
2016-03-28T15:38:58 < Steffann> Yeah, its better for you to talk to those irc weirdos
2016-03-28T15:39:39 < jadew> what am I to do with the rest of the night :)
2016-03-28T15:42:03 < jadew> I just work better at night, no disturbances
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2016-03-28T15:42:44 < Steffann> Better get pumping.
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2016-03-28T15:50:59 < jadew> this is stupid, I made a c:\
2016-03-28T15:51:04 < jadew> this is stupid, I made a c:\tmp folder a while ago
2016-03-28T15:51:25 < jadew> and I've put so much stuff in it, that I eventually started sorting it
2016-03-28T15:51:32 < jadew> and now I even have documents there
2016-03-28T15:51:38 < jadew> and things from work
2016-03-28T15:52:28 < dongs> not sleeping yet
2016-03-28T15:52:39 < dongs> jadew: thats what a trashssd d:\ is for me i just dump trash tehre temporarily
2016-03-28T15:52:47 < dongs> all important shit goes elsewehre
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2016-03-28T15:53:30 < Steffann>  temporarily until the disk is full and then format d?
2016-03-28T15:53:58 < dongs> nope just delete oldest
2016-03-28T15:54:16 < dongs> or sort by size and delete largest
2016-03-28T15:54:17 < dongs> wahtever
2016-03-28T15:54:22 < jadew> yeah, I do that too
2016-03-28T15:54:41 < jadew> but I never delete it, because I don't know what I have in there, I may need it
2016-03-28T15:54:46 < dongs> or wehn have time go through and move shit to proper places
2016-03-28T15:54:50 < jadew> and I don't have the time to go through all of it
2016-03-28T15:54:53 < dongs> usually temp datasheets/etc end up there
2016-03-28T15:55:02 < dongs> and then i go through later and move them off to proper places.
2016-03-28T15:55:03 < jadew> I have a special place for datasheets
2016-03-28T15:55:12 < dongs> same, but not when I dont care to l ook at it again
2016-03-28T15:55:16 < dongs> and dumb site forces me to download
2016-03-28T15:55:49 < dongs> depending how much i dont care about a part, i might even skip that vendor entirely just on that criteria
2016-03-28T15:56:01 < dongs> 'don't let me see your datsheet in browser? k fuck off, there are otehrs who do'
2016-03-28T15:56:06 < jadew> here's an idea for downloads
2016-03-28T15:56:07 < jadew> tags
2016-03-28T15:56:16 < jadew> then you can set up automatic sorting
2016-03-28T15:56:26 < zyp> I just put everything in ~/Downloads, fuck wasting time on organizing shit
2016-03-28T15:56:40 < dongs> thats cuz doing any 'organizing' on macos is a chore
2016-03-28T15:56:46 < dongs> you have to click 10000t imes
2016-03-28T15:56:48 < dongs> to do anythign
2016-03-28T15:56:53 < zyp> nah, it's because it's a waste of time
2016-03-28T15:57:07 < zyp> when search finds anything there anyway
2016-03-28T15:57:11 < jadew> makes looking for stuff much easier when you don't know what you're looking for
2016-03-28T15:57:25 < dongs> if i dont know what im lokoing for
2016-03-28T15:57:28 < dongs> im generalyl not looking for it
2016-03-28T15:57:30 < dongs> how about you
2016-03-28T15:57:36 < zyp> well said
2016-03-28T15:57:45 < jadew> I meant the name
2016-03-28T15:57:47 < jadew> sorry
2016-03-28T15:58:01 < dongs> ah also invoices from chinagirl end up there
2016-03-28T15:58:01 < jadew> if you don't know the name, it's better if they're organized
2016-03-28T15:58:10 < dongs> which is a bummer cuz theres sevearl of those per day
2016-03-28T15:58:18 < dongs> i have to sort by type and move that shit out once in a while
2016-03-28T15:58:58 < dongs> zyp, in new nfcboard you have correct part values to match your vna-found shite?
2016-03-28T15:59:15 < dongs> i noticed you couldnt even be arsed to rename the JST socket from CN? to a proper designator, so making sure.
2016-03-28T16:03:43 < ReadError> http://www.ebay.com/itm/380864363902?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
2016-03-28T16:03:51 < ReadError> these are so cute wish i had something to use them on
2016-03-28T16:04:25 < dongs> make a precision fan
2016-03-28T16:10:41 < kakimir> arse pain
2016-03-28T16:11:08 < Steffann> flyback is that you?
2016-03-28T16:14:53 < Steffann> hows todays day in aussieland crt?
2016-03-28T16:15:16 < Steffann> no youre not
2016-03-28T16:16:18 < Steffann> not relieved of your pumping duty yet
2016-03-28T16:19:16 < Steffann> i know right. Blame ##stm32
2016-03-28T16:23:34 < kakimir> what is the clock in aussies?
2016-03-28T16:23:55 < Steffann> time.is/aussieland
2016-03-28T16:24:54 < BrainDamage> i'm disappointed it doesn't accept aussieland
2016-03-28T16:25:16 < PeterM> aussieland is derogatory, it's straya, get it right
2016-03-28T16:26:42 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHR6bpupwJk nice bush plane
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2016-03-28T16:32:30 < kakimir> maybe a bit slow for australia
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2016-03-28T16:47:47 < kakimir> in australia landing and take-off run is not an issue
2016-03-28T16:48:20 < kakimir> just avoid kengoroos and 20meter snakes
2016-03-28T16:48:49 < PeterM> looks liek a plane for spergers
2016-03-28T16:58:08 < kakimir> are you sure about that?
2016-03-28T16:58:30 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs4lpWv90L8
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2016-03-28T17:04:23 < PeterM> wow, you're right THAT plane looks like its for spergers
2016-03-28T17:18:01 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgHXqA1irwA
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2016-03-28T17:26:44 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNaz23ySUkY
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2016-03-28T17:44:28 < Rickta59> is there any advantage to using 0x0 as the base for your flash code vs 0x8000000 (ROM address in ld scripts)? It seems like code generation could potentially be smaller no?  Does anyone do this?
2016-03-28T17:58:15 < lorenzo> lol just noticed that there's native cubemx on linux
2016-03-28T17:58:28 < lorenzo> always used that on windows :D
2016-03-28T17:58:44 < Fleck> :D
2016-03-28T18:00:19 < fest> I like how often it asks to save unsaved changes. I guess there was an internal meeting like: "Users are complaining that they are loosing work due to crashes. What can we do? Developers: easy, let's pop-up an annoying dialogue asking to save changes once in a minute"
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2016-03-28T18:08:07 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/kIVENw0.jpg
2016-03-28T18:08:13 < ReadError> my trollien made the news
2016-03-28T18:09:11 < Steffann> Did she explain it well ReadError?
2016-03-28T18:09:27 < ReadError> lol probably not
2016-03-28T18:09:32 < ReadError> didnt watch the vid
2016-03-28T18:10:12 < PeterM> you really gotta put more dick logos o nyour stuff
2016-03-28T18:10:54 < ReadError> she didnt call it a trollien though ;(
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2016-03-28T18:14:28 < jpa-> Rickta59: seems that most code (atleast by gcc) uses PC-relative addressing, and PC-relative jumps
2016-03-28T18:14:54 < jpa-> but yeah, theoretically it takes less instructions to load 0x0000ABCD than 0x0800ABCD to a register
2016-03-28T18:15:03 < Rickta59> yes just using gcc out of the box seems to use ldr
2016-03-28T18:15:40 < Rickta59> is ldr faster than using a movw immediate?
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2016-03-28T18:16:33 < jpa-> they do different things..
2016-03-28T18:16:55 < Rickta59> assuming all my code is in the first 64k
2016-03-28T18:17:23 < jpa-> pastebin some assembler code so we have some basis for this discussion
2016-03-28T18:19:13 < Rickta59> * just looking at most of my code doing this
2016-03-28T18:19:35 < Rickta59> maybe it doesn't really matter as most of the things I'm ldr'ing are the const addresses of different peripherals
2016-03-28T18:19:44 < jpa-> yeah
2016-03-28T18:19:48 < Rickta59> and it rare i'm loading an address in my flash
2016-03-28T18:19:52 < jpa-> yep
2016-03-28T18:20:29 < jpa-> mostly string literals, i would guess
2016-03-28T18:21:06 < jpa-> so it would save 2 bytes and one memory access to be able to movw instead of ldr those
2016-03-28T18:21:18 < Rickta59> yeah that makes sense
2016-03-28T18:21:53 < Rickta59> thanks
2016-03-28T18:23:05 < jpa-> i think one cannot directly run code based at 0x0000 from the USART bootloader
2016-03-28T18:23:19 < jpa-> (the BOOT0 bootloader)
2016-03-28T18:24:07 < Rickta59> ok ..  i hadn't seen anyone doing this and just wanted to see if it would work .. * which it does if you load using openocd
2016-03-28T18:25:59 < Rickta59> i guess the other common thing to address is ram addresses and they aren't going to ever be small so i mark this up to a waste of time
2016-03-28T18:26:31 < Steffann> Why you didnt show up on TV ReadError? Or werent you there?
2016-03-28T18:28:05 < PeterM> ReadError was on tv, didn't you know he sexually identifies as a quadcopter
2016-03-28T18:28:26 < Steffann> Also no props on that thing?
2016-03-28T18:28:44 < PeterM> yes?
2016-03-28T18:29:06 < Steffann> no?
2016-03-28T18:29:17 < PeterM> its good for safety and makes easier to trasnport
2016-03-28T18:30:52 < Steffann> Sure but..
2016-03-28T18:31:13 < Steffann> A quadcopter is no quadcopter when it doesnt fly ( ZANO )
2016-03-28T18:32:01 < BrainDamage> no fly zano
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2016-03-28T18:49:36 < timemob> haha
2016-03-28T18:50:11 < timemob> I got "invited" to that 30km radio project
2016-03-28T18:50:18 < timemob> by dicklancer
2016-03-28T18:50:21 < timemob> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/9984531.html
2016-03-28T18:50:29 < timemob> doesn't make it any less insane
2016-03-28T18:51:09 < BrainDamage> is that a suborbital bomber drone?
2016-03-28T18:51:55 < timemob> yes
2016-03-28T18:52:14 < jpa-> good that they specify the font, even if they cannot supply any actual requirements such as power usage
2016-03-28T18:52:52 < BrainDamage> or frequency band, or if it uses licensed or not spectrum
2016-03-28T18:53:11 < BrainDamage> or size of antenna and radio
2016-03-28T18:53:18 < jpa-> i also wonder what they'll use for downlink, or are they just happy to drive blind
2016-03-28T18:54:27 < timemob> and if they do, how they plan to keep the antenna pointed
2016-03-28T18:54:49 < timemob> who wanna design a satellite from scratch for $50/hr
2016-03-28T18:56:48 < timemob> jpa, says transmitter/receiver
2016-03-28T18:57:21 < timemob> tho I guess they mean TX on ground, rx up
2016-03-28T18:58:02 < lorenzo> The proposal shall be written using Times New Roman size 12 font
2016-03-28T18:58:03 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HMcZiWxX7o
2016-03-28T18:58:05 < lorenzo> shit
2016-03-28T18:58:08 < lorenzo> I don't have that on leenucs
2016-03-28T18:58:09 < lorenzo> :(
2016-03-28T18:58:15 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2016-03-28T18:58:24 < Laurenceb_> i do
2016-03-28T18:59:26 < timemob> you do, in abiword
2016-03-28T18:59:39 < timemob> cuz it comes with its own copy
2016-03-28T18:59:47 < lorenzo> ah I use libreoffice, that starts with some Liberation Serif thing
2016-03-28T18:59:58 < Laurenceb_> well they need to go to my github
2016-03-28T19:00:09 < timemob> in some retarded t1 format
2016-03-28T19:00:26 < timemob> do you have 30km link thing there?
2016-03-28T19:00:31 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-03-28T19:00:41 < Laurenceb_> much more range in fact
2016-03-28T19:00:44 < timemob> can I bid at 50/hr and steal your github
2016-03-28T19:00:51 < Laurenceb_> lulyes
2016-03-28T19:00:59 < jpa-> what's your estimated hours for stealing?
2016-03-28T19:01:09 < Laurenceb_> schematic is missing
2016-03-28T19:01:12 < timemob> but I hate writing
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2016-03-28T19:01:26 < Laurenceb_> but its a copypasta of a silicon labs app note
2016-03-28T19:01:34 < timemob> jpa, 5 minutes maybe
2016-03-28T19:01:46 < timemob> but I'm naked in bed so maybe 10
2016-03-28T19:01:52 < timemob> cuz I'm lazy
2016-03-28T19:01:56 < emeb> eww eww eww
2016-03-28T19:02:02 < Laurenceb_> too much info
2016-03-28T19:02:03 < timemob> lolol
2016-03-28T19:02:07 < jpa-> wut
2016-03-28T19:02:10 < jpa-> perfect amount of info
2016-03-28T19:02:12 < BrainDamage> send nudes to laurenceb, etc
2016-03-28T19:02:15 < jpa-> just webcam link missing
2016-03-28T19:02:25 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2016-03-28T19:02:32 < jpa-> we might finally find out whether he's worth his nick
2016-03-28T19:02:48 < emeb> <insert meatspin here>
2016-03-28T19:03:13 < timemob> so is your shit two way
2016-03-28T19:03:17 < timemob> or just one way
2016-03-28T19:03:30 < Laurenceb_> one and a half way
2016-03-28T19:03:50 < Laurenceb_> packet mode uplink, ukhas rtty downlink
2016-03-28T19:03:54 < timemob> talk to other balloons nearby?
2016-03-28T19:03:55 < emeb> noway
2016-03-28T19:03:56 < jpa-> two way shit sounds messy
2016-03-28T19:04:17 < Laurenceb_> its just air to ground and visa versa
2016-03-28T19:06:08 < timemob> what
2016-03-28T19:06:18 < timemob> which silabs
2016-03-28T19:06:26 < timemob> that usual trash you used.
2016-03-28T19:06:47 < Laurenceb_> si446x
2016-03-28T19:06:53 < timemob> right
2016-03-28T19:06:59 < Laurenceb_> 4464 iirc is best
2016-03-28T19:07:03 < timemob> how the fuck that does 30km
2016-03-28T19:07:24 < timemob> «very slowly »
2016-03-28T19:07:29 < Laurenceb_> cuz narrowband and high sensitivity modem with AFC
2016-03-28T19:07:48 < Laurenceb_> mine is 200bps up, 50bps down
2016-03-28T19:07:59 < jpa-> and line of sight, i guess?
2016-03-28T19:08:02 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-03-28T19:08:12 < timemob> obviously, in the sky
2016-03-28T19:08:16 < Laurenceb_> but range is a few hundred km, so datarate could be increased
2016-03-28T19:08:45 < timemob> don't you have dongler effect at that point
2016-03-28T19:09:11 < Laurenceb_> doppler??
2016-03-28T19:09:30 < timemob> like the earth spinning I donno
2016-03-28T19:09:33 < Laurenceb_> yes thats one of the reasons I spent ages raging at the AFC
2016-03-28T19:09:35 < Simon--> signal becomes dongshaped
2016-03-28T19:09:40 < timemob> yes
2016-03-28T19:09:45 < Laurenceb_> but it seems to work well now
2016-03-28T19:10:04 < timemob> go sign up at feelancer and troll those guys
2016-03-28T19:10:20 < timemob> maybe they'll give you a start-up job
2016-03-28T19:10:26 < timemob> $199/hr
2016-03-28T19:10:29 < Laurenceb_> can't be bothered, too busy making horse tracking shit
2016-03-28T19:10:30 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-03-28T19:10:44 < timemob> until their dickstarter money runs out
2016-03-28T19:11:00 < Laurenceb_> do they have a kickstarter page?
2016-03-28T19:11:17 < timemob> haha I'm just guessing
2016-03-28T19:11:30 < timemob> zalnearspace
2016-03-28T19:11:41 < timemob> Google and see what the fuck they're doing
2016-03-28T19:12:23 < Laurenceb_> I'm not working with perman00bs
2016-03-28T19:13:13 < timemob> We are currently designing hardware and electronics for our first flight test in Spring of 2016. 
2016-03-28T19:13:16 < Laurenceb_> http://www.zalnearspace.com/about.html
2016-03-28T19:13:22 < Laurenceb_> sounds autistic
2016-03-28T19:13:35 < Laurenceb_> no evidence they know what they are doing
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2016-03-28T19:14:08 < timemob> can't even read that fucking page
2016-03-28T19:14:19 < timemob> black on dark font
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2016-03-28T19:15:28 < Laurenceb_> I don't have the energy for that shit
2016-03-28T19:15:39 < timemob> your horse shit sounds pretty permanoob too
2016-03-28T19:15:43 < Laurenceb_> feel free to grab my radio codez if you want to troll
2016-03-28T19:15:58 < Laurenceb_> sure but it allows me to be lazy
2016-03-28T19:16:08 < Laurenceb_> as nobody cares
2016-03-28T19:16:09 < timemob> haha no time. I keep getting work trash non stop lately
2016-03-28T19:16:25 < timemob> dumb designs piling up
2016-03-28T19:16:27 < Laurenceb_> maybe I'll troll them with some suggestions... maybe
2016-03-28T19:16:34 < Laurenceb_> if I can be bothered
2016-03-28T19:17:54 < timemob> He has over a decade of management experience on various projects and has been involved with steam ship propulsion as well as steel, concrete, masonry, wood, and pipeline construction.
2016-03-28T19:18:15 < timemob> all perfect qualifications for space travel
2016-03-28T19:18:49 < Laurenceb_> literal steampunk
2016-03-28T19:19:14 < timemob> snort
2016-03-28T19:21:21 < timemob> ok time to zzz
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2016-03-28T19:46:20 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35910492
2016-03-28T19:46:31 < Laurenceb_> nomnative determinism strikes again
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2016-03-28T19:50:06 < emeb> heh
2016-03-28T19:50:12 < emeb> which is which?
2016-03-28T19:51:01 < zyp> dongs, yeah, added another 180p cap for tuning
2016-03-28T19:51:32 < zyp> and yeah, guess I forgot to run annotate schematic
2016-03-28T19:52:25 < zyp> it doesn't cause ERCs unless you add multiple parts with same refdes
2016-03-28T19:52:44 < Laurenceb_> Mr Lucky
2016-03-28T19:53:10 < zyp> I'll fix that next time I revise the design
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2016-03-28T21:46:08 < Laurenceb_> https://www.freelancer.co.uk/projects/telecommunications-engineering-virtual-private-server/Chinese-engineers-can-talk-english/
2016-03-28T21:46:16 < Laurenceb_> how do i engrish
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2016-03-28T22:36:49 < ReadError> http://vncroulette.com/index.php?picture=0
2016-03-28T22:36:53 < ReadError> so this is a thing?
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2016-03-28T22:46:16 < Steffanx> what is this ReadError? Open vnc servers?
2016-03-28T22:46:38 < ReadError> yea i guess
2016-03-28T22:46:42 < ReadError> but the times are off
2016-03-28T22:46:50 < ReadError> so im not sure what they are doing
2016-03-28T22:47:01 < ReadError> maybe they save the last pic
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2016-03-28T22:49:30 < Steffanx> its all from 1-3 march too
2016-03-28T22:50:23 < Steffanx> Good old times.. the shodan search engine
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2016-03-28T22:53:59 < ReadError> telnet 196.202.198.12 5900
2016-03-28T22:53:59 < ReadError> Trying 196.202.198.12...
2016-03-28T22:53:59 < ReadError> Connected to jmmr1.jambo.co.ke.
2016-03-28T22:53:59 < ReadError> Escape character is '^]'.
2016-03-28T22:53:59 < ReadError> RFB 003.008
2016-03-28T22:54:04 < ReadError> some of them are still open lol
2016-03-28T22:55:53 < ReadError> http://vncroulette.com/index.php?picture=133
2016-03-28T22:55:56 < ReadError> oh damn
2016-03-28T22:55:59 < ReadError> this is open still
2016-03-28T22:56:05 < ReadError> looks unsafe
2016-03-28T22:57:28 < Steffanx> shodan.io and just look for something like "iologik" and then those with "Remote Ethernet I/O Server"
2016-03-28T22:59:34 < Steffanx> when you know the right headers you can still find the online remote scade stuff.
2016-03-28T22:59:49 < Steffanx> ( this was hot YEARS ago )
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2016-03-28T23:04:19 < Steffanx> http://vncroulette.com/index.php?picture=136 there goes your smashburger ReadError
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2016-03-28T23:14:31 < scrts> is this NSFW?
2016-03-28T23:16:34 < Steffanx> it is sfw.
2016-03-28T23:16:55 < Steffanx> just people being stupid with public accessible vnc servers
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2016-03-28T23:18:40 < Steffanx> http://vncroulette.com/index.php?picture=8 pretty "scare" stuff though. There is ReadError private health record.
2016-03-28T23:18:43 < Steffanx> *scary
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2016-03-28T23:20:27 < scrts> lol :)
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2016-03-29T00:26:33 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmiKenqLVAU
2016-03-29T00:27:32 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: have you been talking shit of me?
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2016-03-29T00:43:39 < ohsix> ReadError: huh those battery restrictions suck, but also would make getting fakes worse, maybe it'll be good
2016-03-29T00:45:36 < ohsix> oof @ hitomi, why do'nt they ask americans for all the space junk information; they're tracking hundreds of thousands of objects and can tell you where mostly clear orbits are and shiz
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2016-03-29T00:46:48 < ReadError> i wonder if they get fined for littering
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2016-03-29T00:56:06 < ohsix> dongs: how do you know what fonts come with abiword bro
2016-03-29T00:58:37 < ohsix> Mr Luckey said he only had one regret about the stunt, which was wearing flip-flops while walking around in Alaska during the winter.
2016-03-29T01:00:40 < ohsix> ReadError: i don't think there are fines but there is badness with putting junk in space in an uncontrolled way
2016-03-29T01:00:56 < ohsix> hopefully the news or someone eventuallllllllllllllllly reports wat orbit it was in and what likely hit it
2016-03-29T01:01:04 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8xlOm2wPAA
2016-03-29T01:04:05 < ohsix> ReadError: todays vox video about lens flares is ok
2016-03-29T01:04:30 < ReadError> not seen
2016-03-29T01:04:35 < ReadError> i should like&subscribe
2016-03-29T01:05:05 < ohsix> maybe
2016-03-29T01:05:38 < ohsix> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/27/filmmakers-accuse-robert-de-niro-of-censorship-after-he-yanks-anti-vaccine-movie-from-tribeca-festival/ lel
2016-03-29T01:06:22 < ohsix> wow that guy is still doing shit after losing his medical license and everything, a true believer ... in cash
2016-03-29T01:06:26 < ohsix> <put on sunglasses>
2016-03-29T01:07:04 < ohsix> the news about this, if the producers of the documentary play it right, will have waaaayyy more people seeing it than would have at the film festival
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2016-03-29T01:13:31 < Laurenceb_> dongs is asleep
2016-03-29T01:13:35 < Laurenceb_> arseleep
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2016-03-29T01:16:40 < ohsix> i no
2016-03-29T01:16:51 < ohsix> i have a clock on the wall for each of my pals
2016-03-29T01:18:25 < zyp> nice
2016-03-29T01:18:30 < zyp> am I asleep now?
2016-03-29T01:18:42 < ohsix> no idea
2016-03-29T01:18:45 < ohsix> i need to get more clocks
2016-03-29T01:18:58 < ohsix> https://meowcad.com/ was ist das
2016-03-29T01:19:52 < zyp> upverter with cats
2016-03-29T01:20:52 < ohsix> looks kind of legit
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2016-03-29T01:38:45 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8Id5jMKQh0 musicspams I didn't know
2016-03-29T01:39:42 < ohsix> not available in this country
2016-03-29T01:39:48 < ohsix> but i've got that song and it's alright
2016-03-29T01:39:55 < ohsix> (this = USA)
2016-03-29T01:41:29 < ohsix> i actually stopped listening to a lot of electronic music when i got better speakers :[
2016-03-29T01:42:31 < BrainDamage> crt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB6eY73sLV0
2016-03-29T01:42:53 < ohsix> i like arm so much i have 2
2016-03-29T01:45:25 < ohsix> BrainDamage: nice
2016-03-29T01:46:42 < ohsix> how is he reading the x coordinate?
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2016-03-29T01:47:25 < ohsix> ah nm he says at 3:45
2016-03-29T01:47:37 < ohsix> one of the first things he does is write code to make coins == x coord
2016-03-29T01:48:09 < ohsix> this is like using switches on the front console to start an old micro
2016-03-29T01:49:28 < ohsix> that taskbot thing is cool, would have liked to known that; guess i'm not scene enough :[
2016-03-29T01:51:20 < ohsix> you got me there
2016-03-29T01:53:08 < BrainDamage> which would redirect to ##stm32
2016-03-29T01:54:24 < ohsix> that redirect code is turing complete, you can do general computation with freenode channel redirects
2016-03-29T01:54:40 < ohsix> then you can make it write flappy bird code into smw
2016-03-29T01:55:37 < ohsix> smw as it is has bugs that let you do it, so it's still smw
2016-03-29T01:56:42 < ohsix> nope
2016-03-29T01:57:04 < ohsix> vaguely and apparently wrongly remembered being able to do it in the version i had
2016-03-29T02:01:34 < kakimir> good there is new irc buddies
2016-03-29T02:02:37 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X8Xfl0JdTQ new crash course philosophy video :<
2016-03-29T02:04:36 < kakimir> why you linkin this
2016-03-29T02:04:44 < ohsix> really?
2016-03-29T02:04:55 < ohsix> popper and frued? no?
2016-03-29T02:05:26 < kakimir> I was a high school philosophist
2016-03-29T02:05:31 < kakimir> that was enouhgt
2016-03-29T02:07:25 < ohsix> these videos are important yo, making it accessible and interesting even to dullards
2016-03-29T02:07:30 < ohsix> er present company excluded
2016-03-29T02:09:00 < kakimir> I'm still at getting my fx2 board to become spi master
2016-03-29T02:10:53 < kakimir> it's fx2 board
2016-03-29T02:10:58 < ohsix> it's a cypress miccccccccccccccccccontroller with an 8051 thing in it and fast usb2
2016-03-29T02:11:09 < kakimir> it's usb controller shiet
2016-03-29T02:11:17 < ohsix> it blasts bits yo
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2016-03-29T02:12:04 < ohsix> if you put an r2r ladder on it you could generate a 7.5mhz 32butt output
2016-03-29T02:12:34 < ohsix> but that's dumb you'll probably be talking to a camera or something
2016-03-29T02:16:02 < kakimir> someone said the flash would be provided and I should just flash it and use butt can't really find one
2016-03-29T02:16:14 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-29T02:16:15 < kakimir> there is some example that plays with spi eeprom connected
2016-03-29T02:16:51 < ohsix> https://sigrok.org/wiki/Fx2lafw
2016-03-29T02:17:15 < ohsix> you basically just use it as fast gpio and write software on host
2016-03-29T02:17:27 < ohsix> though the fx2 can do spi itself with the  8051
2016-03-29T02:17:47 < ohsix> totes
2016-03-29T02:18:04 < kakimir> I rather have it as spi device in my lunix
2016-03-29T02:18:45 < kakimir> if there is no such thing ready available I may just code the counterpart board and test all at once
2016-03-29T02:18:57 < ohsix> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/spi/spi-summary
2016-03-29T02:19:10 < ohsix> https://www.kernel.org/doc/htmldocs/device-drivers/spi.html
2016-03-29T02:19:30 < ohsix> you can always make it perfect later, the point of the fx2 was to get it working quickly
2016-03-29T02:21:28 < kakimir> I don't see way to get it working quickly with fx2
2016-03-29T02:21:45 < kakimir> I don't know how to move that data in and out the chip
2016-03-29T02:21:55 < ohsix> libusb?
2016-03-29T02:22:02 < kakimir> never used
2016-03-29T02:22:16 < ohsix> o
2016-03-29T02:23:25 < kakimir> that is what can suddenly turn from hours to days
2016-03-29T02:23:27 < ohsix> https://github.com/djmuhlestein/fx2lib/tree/master/examples/bulkloop
2016-03-29T02:23:36 < ohsix> yea sorry ididn't consider that
2016-03-29T02:24:00 < kakimir> I think I saw some libusb codes
2016-03-29T02:24:13 < ohsix> hadn't someone already suggested the bit pirate or whatever fromd angerousprototypes
2016-03-29T02:24:18 < kakimir> that by lenght of the thing looked very easy
2016-03-29T02:24:19 < ohsix> bus pir8
2016-03-29T02:24:25 < kakimir> ohsix: no money
2016-03-29T02:26:52 < kakimir> besides bus pirate is a bit meh anyway
2016-03-29T02:27:33 < ohsix> it is but it's complete meh when you get it
2016-03-29T02:27:45 < ohsix> has a little onboard shell to let you move gpio around and set the parameters
2016-03-29T02:27:59 < ohsix> no libusb funny business
2016-03-29T02:28:12 < ohsix> anyways look at that link
2016-03-29T02:28:25 < ohsix> it sets up some bulk endpoints and just does shit
2016-03-29T02:28:38 < kakimir> okay fx2lib
2016-03-29T02:29:50 < kakimir> I think I can handle it from here
2016-03-29T02:30:58 < kakimir> maybe it's useful to take some look at this fx2 thing
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2016-03-29T02:36:28 < kakimir> it has serious throughtput compared to some micros
2016-03-29T02:37:54 < ohsix> neat, mithro is on freenode, recognized the name
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2016-03-29T02:41:19 < kakimir> hdmi2usb=
2016-03-29T02:44:05 < kakimir> https://blog.mithis.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/HDMI2USB-Prod-V2.jpg
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2016-03-29T02:45:16 < kakimir> ohsix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUuBtdoB1NQ
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2016-03-29T02:46:00 < ohsix> wat
2016-03-29T02:48:18 < kakimir> I think mithro is name for muslim dude with beard like that
2016-03-29T02:48:42 < ohsix> ah
2016-03-29T02:48:45 < ohsix> no it's tim ansell
2016-03-29T02:49:07 < kakimir> I know
2016-03-29T02:49:18 < ohsix> aussie aussie aussie
2016-03-29T02:49:31 < ohsix> ah i see the hdmi usb stuff haha, didn't know what you were talking about
2016-03-29T02:50:46 < ohsix> Firmware for the FX2 which emulates the FTDI serial chips (including MPSSE support).
2016-03-29T02:50:51 < ohsix> you could use that heh
2016-03-29T02:51:25 < ohsix> https://github.com/mithro/impersonate_macaddress jejejeje someone is pirating eda software
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2016-03-29T02:54:20 < kakimir> ohsix: how it emulates?
2016-03-29T02:54:54 < kakimir> does it have hardware or some rom? there is software provided by vendor or third party?
2016-03-29T02:55:06 < ohsix> https://github.com/mithro/fx2-ftdi-emulation
2016-03-29T02:55:29 < ohsix> show up with right pid/vid, work with the driver so the software works
2016-03-29T02:56:09 < ohsix> ft2232h can do spi
2016-03-29T02:56:44 < ohsix> it's done the same way, though; just using fast gpio and talking to it over usb with libftdi (nee. libusb)
2016-03-29T02:56:47 < ohsix> bbl
2016-03-29T02:57:56 < kakimir> I think I rather have some little code running on fx2 and being controlled and read via serial device
2016-03-29T02:58:24 < kakimir> I don't have ft2232
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2016-03-29T02:59:21 < kakimir> why it is nice?
2016-03-29T02:59:42 < zyp> I usually make a custom stm32 firmware when testing spi devices or similar
2016-03-29T03:00:19 < zyp> mapping custom usb control requests to send message and receive message, so host side doesn't need to care about framing
2016-03-29T03:01:13 < kakimir> I think it can become even easier to code physical protocol handler at fx2 and then write lunix code running on debug server that controls that protocol handler and runs the tests
2016-03-29T03:01:25 < kakimir> *on
2016-03-29T03:02:03 < zyp> why fx2?
2016-03-29T03:02:13 < kakimir> I have it laying around
2016-03-29T03:02:21 < zyp> I mean, it's common, but it's a shitty arch to work with
2016-03-29T03:02:54 < kakimir> there is some lib for it!
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2016-03-29T03:03:27 < kakimir> why it's shitti?
2016-03-29T03:04:11 < zyp> because it's 8051
2016-03-29T03:04:34 < kakimir> it means it's golden
2016-03-29T03:04:41 < zyp> and the lack of internal flash sounds annoying too
2016-03-29T03:05:04 < kakimir> where is firmware?
2016-03-29T03:05:20 < zyp> in ram
2016-03-29T03:05:42 < zyp> bootloaded either over usb or from serial flash
2016-03-29T03:05:58 < kakimir> even better
2016-03-29T03:06:04 < kakimir> no flash
2016-03-29T03:07:49 < kakimir> it's how many usb devices actually work
2016-03-29T03:08:10 < kakimir> without a luxury of flash not needed
2016-03-29T03:08:47 < kakimir> but is there some eeprom at least for usb some shiet?
2016-03-29T03:08:51 < zyp> eh, that approach is good for some applications
2016-03-29T03:09:19 < kakimir> it's not good for some standard device
2016-03-29T03:10:30 < zyp> it makes firmware upgrades in multi-device-applications easy to handle, when you can store all the files on the host device, and bootload everything from there
2016-03-29T03:10:39 < zyp> instead of having to reflash each single unit
2016-03-29T03:11:10 < kakimir> can you bootload that chip from mcu on board?
2016-03-29T03:11:18 < zyp> dunno
2016-03-29T03:11:29 < zyp> but I believe it can also load from serial flash
2016-03-29T03:11:38 < kakimir> like you can bootload some fpgas
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2016-03-29T03:11:51 < zyp> haven't worked much with it, just used a ton of devices based on it
2016-03-29T03:12:04 < zyp> yeah, it's really common in fpga+usb-setups
2016-03-29T03:12:10 < kakimir> mcu feeding it that bitstream
2016-03-29T03:12:24 < zyp> first bootload the fx2, then bootload the fpga through the fx2, all over same usb connection
2016-03-29T03:13:04 < zyp> but I mean, you could do this with stm32 as well if you wanted to
2016-03-29T03:13:27 < zyp> not that the memory architecture of stm32 makes it advantageous to run code from ram
2016-03-29T03:13:47 < zyp> but considering fx2 only got 16k ram total, it'll still be as good :p
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2016-03-29T03:18:01 < kakimir> as usb micro it does almost all you would do with to say stm32
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2016-03-29T03:20:29 < kakimir> or when you use it as usb controller for some wider system
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2016-03-29T03:24:06 < kakimir> maybe it's time to sleep
2016-03-29T03:24:15 < zyp> good idea
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2016-03-29T03:25:03 < kakimir> daylight saving is weird thing
2016-03-29T03:25:33 < kakimir> I don't know which way the clock moved and I feel a bit fukken by it
2016-03-29T03:25:49 < zyp> eh, not weird in itself, just weird that it's still practiced
2016-03-29T03:26:13 < zyp> DST is +1 hour wrt. winter time
2016-03-29T03:27:15 < zyp> .fi is normally UTC+2, UTC+2+DST is UTC+3
2016-03-29T03:27:30 < kakimir> what is clock now in winter time?
2016-03-29T03:27:43 < kakimir> +1?
2016-03-29T03:28:15 < zyp> one hour less than summer time
2016-03-29T03:28:43 < kakimir> shiet
2016-03-29T03:28:56 < kakimir> I don't know what that means for my life
2016-03-29T03:29:06 < zyp> nothing?
2016-03-29T03:29:06 < kakimir> is it good or bad
2016-03-29T03:30:15 < kakimir> and when to sleep
2016-03-29T03:38:16 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time#/media/File:DaylightSaving-World-Subdivisions.png you see there is some wise nations marked with red that never went using this nonsense
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2016-03-29T03:45:51 < zyp> do they even have clocks in africa?
2016-03-29T03:47:37 < kakimir> no
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2016-03-29T04:08:17 < Laurenceb_> they ate the clocks
2016-03-29T04:13:05 < dongs> http://www.livememe.com/e0j3vz5.jpg
2016-03-29T04:19:52 < Laurenceb_> livememe
2016-03-29T04:19:54 < Laurenceb_> wut
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2016-03-29T04:27:55 < Laurenceb_> what is b1 and b2?
2016-03-29T04:29:31 < Laurenceb_> oh
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2016-03-29T04:33:08 < aandrew> crt: sounds like a productive day
2016-03-29T04:33:25 < dongs> aandrew: how's lattice shit compared to stinklinx
2016-03-29T04:33:33 < dongs> is software noticeably better or is it just as aids
2016-03-29T04:33:53 < Laurenceb_> I hate javascript
2016-03-29T04:34:04 < Laurenceb_> why did firefox just try to grab 2.8GB of ram
2016-03-29T04:34:52 < Laurenceb_> literally every website
2016-03-29T04:35:30 < Laurenceb_> cant we just use pdfs
2016-03-29T04:36:03 < aandrew> dongs: it's a different bag of shit, but still a bag of shit
2016-03-29T04:38:26 < dongs> aandrew: does it at least run on win10
2016-03-29T04:38:44 < dongs> i mean xininx basically EOL'd 99% of their usable cpld/fpga portfolio by not making ISE run above win7
2016-03-29T04:38:51 < aandrew> *I* haven't run win10 yet. I couldn't tell you
2016-03-29T04:38:56 < dongs> how about 8
2016-03-29T04:39:17 < aandrew> I've briefly run 8.1 but not used Diamond or ISE or Vivado on it. I've run all three on Win7
2016-03-29T04:39:41 < dongs> aids.
2016-03-29T04:39:56 < dongs> win7 is dead as shit
2016-03-29T04:40:00 < dongs> why do people keep clinging to it
2016-03-29T04:40:13 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2016-03-29T04:40:17 < aandrew> I like it
2016-03-29T04:40:27 < aandrew> win8 is almos like 7 once you get rid of the touch interface bullshit
2016-03-29T04:40:27 < Laurenceb_> everyone uses win7 in PROfessional environment
2016-03-29T04:42:23 < Laurenceb_> I use lunix
2016-03-29T04:43:33 < dongs> aandrew: you miss the fucking point if first thing you want ot do in windows 8 is "get rid of touch interface"
2016-03-29T04:43:39 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2016-03-29T04:43:45 < Laurenceb_> dongs likes touch
2016-03-29T04:43:48 < Laurenceb_> freak
2016-03-29T04:45:49 < Laurenceb_> arg why is it suddenly impossible ot make a web browser
2016-03-29T04:45:56 < Laurenceb_> I'm going back to winxp and ei6
2016-03-29T04:45:59 < Laurenceb_> *ie
2016-03-29T04:46:19 < Laurenceb_> dont have enough ram to relaunch firefox
2016-03-29T04:46:29 < Laurenceb_> I have 8GB
2016-03-29T04:47:22 < ReadError> ppfft
2016-03-29T04:47:27 < ReadError> 8gb, its 2016
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2016-03-29T04:47:34 < Laurenceb_> le current year
2016-03-29T04:47:40 < ReadError> yes
2016-03-29T04:47:46 < ReadError> you need 16 or 32gb
2016-03-29T04:47:47 < ReadError> min
2016-03-29T04:47:57 < Laurenceb_> HOW CAN A WEB BROWSER USE THAT MUCH
2016-03-29T04:48:17 < ReadError> it just can
2016-03-29T04:48:22 < Laurenceb_> full rage mode
2016-03-29T04:48:25 < ReadError> use the great suspender
2016-03-29T04:48:31 < ReadError> i can have 1000 tabs open
2016-03-29T04:48:42 < Laurenceb_> the great suspender?
2016-03-29T04:48:45 < ReadError> it just sleepers them if i dont view for a while
2016-03-29T04:48:46 < Laurenceb_> this sounds good
2016-03-29T04:48:56 < Laurenceb_> hmm I'll grab :D
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2016-03-29T04:49:18 < ReadError> 18 windows, 412 tabs: 28th March 2016
2016-03-29T04:49:24 < ReadError>  not as high as normal
2016-03-29T04:49:27 < dongs> wehen they invent time machines ill go back and murder the shithead who came up wiht tabbed browsing.
2016-03-29T04:49:45 < dongs> because you need every app to manage their own windows, in their own way
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2016-03-29T04:53:28 < dongs> fuck
2016-03-29T04:53:33 < dongs> absolutely rage-inducing bug in calc.exe in win10
2016-03-29T04:53:42 < dongs> when you copypaste a string of shit to calculate
2016-03-29T04:53:44 < dongs> liek 10+20+30
2016-03-29T04:53:46 < dongs> and press enter
2016-03-29T04:53:55 < dongs> instead of calcculating result, it opens side tab
2016-03-29T04:54:00 < dongs> of switching calc modes.
2016-03-29T04:54:23 < ohsix> hello diabetes
2016-03-29T04:55:40 < dongs> hello autism, luckily im leaving soon
2016-03-29T04:57:05 < Sync> trolled dongs
2016-03-29T04:58:00 < Laurenceb_> I just use gnu-octave
2016-03-29T04:58:10 < Laurenceb_> way more useful than calc.exe
2016-03-29T05:00:15 < PeterM> Laurenceb_, i thought you did all your calcs in hand coded pic32 asm?
2016-03-29T05:01:23 < ohsix> dongs: https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/244ixj/my_motherinlaw_asked_me_to_created_a_bee_logo_for/
2016-03-29T05:03:01 < ohsix> http://www.modsfallout4.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Dickbutts-Last-Resort-Fallout-4-Immersion-Overhaul-1-3.jpg
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2016-03-29T05:13:48 < ohsix> i saw a guy at walmart using a boosted board to push cart around
2016-03-29T05:16:38 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCK6zvWEN_Q
2016-03-29T05:16:47 < Laurenceb_> today I learnt that this meme is real
2016-03-29T05:17:42 < aandrew> what the fuck
2016-03-29T05:18:38 < Laurenceb_> sweden yes
2016-03-29T05:19:05 < ohsix> art
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2016-03-29T05:29:40 < PeterM> Laurenceb_, i bet its tasty cake
2016-03-29T05:34:45 < ohsix> dongs: how come you haven't printed dickbutt.obj with that 3d printer
2016-03-29T05:39:32 < ohsix> uhh i think i'm in a google a/b test
2016-03-29T05:39:41 < ohsix> i have save/view saved buttons in google image search
2016-03-29T05:39:48 < ohsix> https://i.imgur.com/tYQFLx7.jpg
2016-03-29T05:40:10 < ohsix> anyone else see those :[
2016-03-29T05:41:59 < ohsix> i think google is going after imgur and making image search socialtarded
2016-03-29T05:45:49 < ohsix> http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/57787037.jpg
2016-03-29T05:56:33 < ReadError> i need to do my mountain board
2016-03-29T05:56:40 < ReadError> should be fun this summer
2016-03-29T05:56:51 < ReadError> 2x motors, 2x VESC
2016-03-29T05:57:30 < ohsix> pneumatic wheelz?
2016-03-29T05:57:50 < ReadError> yea i think they are inflated
2016-03-29T05:58:45 < ohsix> don't wanna go too nuts, can't do as much damage as an offroad vehicle but it might get close ;D
2016-03-29T05:59:45 < ReadError> oh you can fuck yourself up on these good im sure
2016-03-29T05:59:49 < ohsix> you saw the great scott videos where he put a sprocket on a skateboard and stuff right
2016-03-29T05:59:56 < ReadError> yea
2016-03-29T06:00:05 < ohsix> a mountainboard is going to have clearance for hours of batteries
2016-03-29T06:00:05 < ReadError> but I want to use belts
2016-03-29T06:00:10 < ReadError> proper machined mounts
2016-03-29T06:00:15 < ohsix> he did
2016-03-29T06:00:34 < ohsix> the part where you drill a wheel to attach it seems hokey 2me but it works
2016-03-29T06:01:09 < ReadError> ya
2016-03-29T06:01:10 < ohsix> that carbon fiber you have will probably do more than adequate jerb
2016-03-29T06:01:29 < ReadError> now that I got a vac pump
2016-03-29T06:01:37 < Laurenceb_> I wnet down a hill on a mountainboard once
2016-03-29T06:01:38 < ohsix> you could probably make the sprockets out of it even
2016-03-29T06:01:40 < ReadError> I may see about doin a ply/cf layup
2016-03-29T06:01:50 < ReadError> and molded batt compartment
2016-03-29T06:01:52 < Laurenceb_> got up to ~40mph then wheel oscillation kicked in
2016-03-29T06:02:10 < Laurenceb_> got thrown off and nearly smashed my skull on a concrete bollard
2016-03-29T06:02:24 < Laurenceb_> luckily I survived to troll irc
2016-03-29T06:02:27 < ohsix> why do you have bollards in the woods
2016-03-29T06:02:42 < PeterM> ReadError, i've always wodnered why they dont do lithium backpacks for things like eboards
2016-03-29T06:02:56 < ohsix> butt fires are serious
2016-03-29T06:03:04 < ReadError> PeterM yea I was thinking about doing that
2016-03-29T06:03:07 < PeterM> powertool styles do it jsut fine http://www.stihlusa.com/products/batteries-and-accessories/batteries/ar900/
2016-03-29T06:03:10 < ReadError> as an optional
2016-03-29T06:03:14 < Laurenceb_> I dunno if motorized mountainboard would actually work
2016-03-29T06:03:18 < ReadError> maybe it fucks with your CG a lot
2016-03-29T06:03:22 < Laurenceb_> the suspension seems to oscillate
2016-03-29T06:03:27 < PeterM> i doubt it
2016-03-29T06:03:32 < ReadError> cant imagine too much though
2016-03-29T06:03:40 < ReadError> people are probably skinny nerds
2016-03-29T06:03:50 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: you can change the bushings if you're a fatty fat fat mcfatterson
2016-03-29T06:03:58 < ReadError> and cant haul the weight
2016-03-29T06:04:04 < Laurenceb_> no my BMI is liek 23
2016-03-29T06:04:07 < PeterM> or too fat they need all the weight savings they can get
2016-03-29T06:04:18 < Laurenceb_> its broken by design
2016-03-29T06:04:26 < ReadError> too bad I cant get cheap batteries now ^.^
2016-03-29T06:04:31 < ohsix> it?
2016-03-29T06:04:39 < Laurenceb_> and its not a matter of controlling it when it oscillated at ~15hz
2016-03-29T06:04:39 < ohsix> ReadError: laptop batteries from ebay???
2016-03-29T06:04:45 < PeterM> ReadError, did you not fuckign read what i said
2016-03-29T06:04:50 < ReadError> might just have to get some 10,000mah 1s packs
2016-03-29T06:04:58 < ReadError> err, cells
2016-03-29T06:05:02 < Laurenceb_> ur gunna get a smashed skull
2016-03-29T06:05:04 < PeterM> it onl;y applies to air freight oin passenger  aircraft
2016-03-29T06:05:05 < ReadError> and build packs
2016-03-29T06:05:19 < ReadError> PeterM nah i mean, fasttech being cacks
2016-03-29T06:05:22 < PeterM> companies like DHERL have their own gargo planes
2016-03-29T06:05:25 < ReadError> and the amount of fakes
2016-03-29T06:05:28 < PeterM> you can ship whatever the fuck batts you like
2016-03-29T06:05:43 < ReadError> let me see if I have a pic of these 'efest'
2016-03-29T06:05:45 < ReadError> omg
2016-03-29T06:07:00 < PeterM> also, if i was going mountain board, i'd buy some of these and split them into 3x 30ah 4s packs http://www.hybridautocenter.com/HAC4/index.php?option=com_hikashop&ctrl=category&task=listing&cid=14&name=lithium-batteries-and-packs&Itemid=605
2016-03-29T06:08:39 < ReadMobl> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HSKlfk1h/1459220916.JPG
2016-03-29T06:09:19 < ReadMobl> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/0pdGwQaI/1459220955.JPG
2016-03-29T06:09:35 < PeterM> yes?
2016-03-29T06:09:54 < ReadError> the lighter one, was $1.20
2016-03-29T06:09:58 < ReadError> shipped...
2016-03-29T06:10:16 < ReadError> im just wondering how bootleg they really are
2016-03-29T06:10:29 < PeterM> probably super bootleg
2016-03-29T06:10:32 < ReadError> like, bursting in to flames bad
2016-03-29T06:10:35 < PeterM> like 800mah or so bootleg
2016-03-29T06:10:39 < ReadError> or just useless
2016-03-29T06:10:42 < PeterM> bursting itno flames bootleg
2016-03-29T06:11:47 < PeterM> i mean if you try to pull 10c from a 2500mah battery (25a) and the battery is only 800mah thats liek 32C
2016-03-29T06:11:51 < PeterM> shits not gonna liek it
2016-03-29T06:12:25 < ReadError> PeterM hmm not bad (hybrid packs)
2016-03-29T06:12:49 < ReadError> would def need to rebuild them, voltage is way low
2016-03-29T06:13:00 < PeterM> each pack is 4x 30Ah cells
2016-03-29T06:13:26 < PeterM> so can be either 7.2v 60ah, 3.6v 120ah, 14.4v 30 ah kinda thing
2016-03-29T06:13:28 < ReadError> oh wait
2016-03-29T06:13:39 < ReadError> hmm so at most thats 4s
2016-03-29T06:13:45 < PeterM> yes
2016-03-29T06:13:46 < ReadError> instead of 2s2p
2016-03-29T06:13:49 < ReadError> still kinda low ;/
2016-03-29T06:13:53 < PeterM> use 3
2016-03-29T06:14:07 < PeterM> how wide is your mountain board at widest?
2016-03-29T06:14:20 < ReadError> not bought/built one yet
2016-03-29T06:14:35 < PeterM> i reckon oyu could fit 3 packs under it
2016-03-29T06:14:41 < PeterM> and get 12s 30ah
2016-03-29T06:14:49 < PeterM> ride for DAYZ
2016-03-29T06:15:40 < ReadError> hmm it does support 12s
2016-03-29T06:15:58 < PeterM> yeah
2016-03-29T06:16:00 < ReadError> could go full aspietard and use 4 motors
2016-03-29T06:16:04 < PeterM> no
2016-03-29T06:16:12 < ohsix> you don't benefit from more than 2
2016-03-29T06:16:29 < ohsix> unless you want traction control
2016-03-29T06:16:32 < ohsix> lewl
2016-03-29T06:16:40 < ReadError> ya getting weight on the front would be harder
2016-03-29T06:16:45 < ReadError> yea thats what i was thinkin
2016-03-29T06:16:48 < ohsix> i bet you could just mould wheels on an outrunner
2016-03-29T06:16:58 < ReadError> something to detect the wheel slipping
2016-03-29T06:17:37 < PeterM> dont oyu do 2 moptors, diagonally oposite
2016-03-29T06:17:52 < PeterM> so you dont have as much trouble with gettign weight balance right
2016-03-29T06:17:56 < PeterM> for best traction
2016-03-29T06:17:56 < ReadError> ill probably end up 2 in the back
2016-03-29T06:18:02 < ohsix> get autistic after it already works
2016-03-29T06:18:09 < ohsix> amidoinitrite
2016-03-29T06:18:40 < PeterM> no
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2016-03-29T07:05:07 < ohsix> anamanaguchi's album 'release' is cool
2016-03-29T07:05:24 < ohsix> http://www.destructoid.com/anamanaguchi-leaks-its-own-game-after-strained-developer-relations-351424.phtml
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2016-03-29T07:13:56 < ohsix> ReadError: there are tiny magnetic clutches you can get, saw one on car ac unit
2016-03-29T07:14:05 < ohsix> like a brake you can pwm
2016-03-29T07:14:40 < ohsix> abs bruv
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2016-03-29T07:22:30 < dongs> come back, see nothing but highlights of spam
2016-03-29T07:25:26 < PeterM> damnit why are reels for 1812 caps so friggin huge
2016-03-29T07:25:32 < ReadError> oh damn
2016-03-29T07:25:41 < ReadError> offtopic police here whooop whooop
2016-03-29T07:25:51 < PeterM> the spaces between caps o nthe tapes are huge
2016-03-29T07:26:37 < dongs> the fuck is 1812
2016-03-29T07:26:42 < dongs> whats that in freedom units
2016-03-29T07:26:44 < dongs> 3216?
2016-03-29T07:26:45 < PeterM> house bricks
2016-03-29T07:26:54 < PeterM> 4532 or something
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2016-03-29T07:27:28 < PeterM> nah like 50% more
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2016-03-29T07:28:55 < PeterM> reel of 1000 1812 is like reel of 5000 1206
2016-03-29T07:29:58 < ohsix> urmom spammed me once
2016-03-29T07:30:00 < ohsix> didn't like it
2016-03-29T07:30:17 < ohsix> dongs: that bee thing was made up is all
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2016-03-29T07:53:25 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/408/024/68bd6306b63b4225b5e87605b3e40e73_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1456204795&auto=format&q=92&s=b33b9b218d7bea77a49bba9267412a7a audiophile alert
2016-03-29T07:55:26 < ohsix> is that stm32 whatever
2016-03-29T07:55:35 < dongs> acutally, yes
2016-03-29T07:55:38 < ohsix> i can't do anything right
2016-03-29T07:55:47 < ohsix> h3h
2016-03-29T07:55:49 < ohsix> ambisonics?
2016-03-29T07:55:56 < dongs> HRTF
2016-03-29T07:56:02 < ohsix> it is a thing and is legit but you can't just make up channels that aren't there
2016-03-29T07:56:06 < ohsix> sameish shit
2016-03-29T07:56:15 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/408/176/50396603c50de857139fc41da1e4e9ad_original.gif?w=680&fit=max&v=1456207635&q=92&s=b43e1d47a4f921e48157d48676aeed50
2016-03-29T07:56:19 < ohsix> all you can do is render an 'ideal' speaker placement for x channels
2016-03-29T07:56:29 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/408/422/6ed04fe0a023e6ecf8663f102ce6ff95_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1456213718&auto=format&q=92&s=06060ea630cb38eb8f45e8b1059ba63d
2016-03-29T07:56:40 < ohsix> don't need multiple drivers for that
2016-03-29T07:56:45 < ohsix> and actually that will cause problems
2016-03-29T07:58:27 < dongs> oh, ambisonic is mentioned
2016-03-29T07:59:01 < dongs> We already have a prototype FMOD plug-in running, and it sounds great and operates efficiently. We are testing it with some early developers now. We would love to hear from you! Please fill out the survey to prioritize roll-out for the different platforms: Unity, Unreal, FMOD, Wwise, VST, AU, and/or others.
2016-03-29T07:59:06 < dongs> whats fmod
2016-03-29T07:59:08 < dongs> is that the mod player engine thingy/
2016-03-29T08:00:05 < dongs> HRTF headphone 3D audio via Two Big Ears 3DCeption technology, and other 3rd party plugins
2016-03-29T08:00:08 < dongs> fmod already does this
2016-03-29T08:00:13 < dongs> where does this shit even fit in
2016-03-29T08:00:18 < dongs> they're gonna hrtf on top of hrtf
2016-03-29T08:01:08 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLHR9PL_wzI
2016-03-29T08:03:33 < ohsix> they're doing nothing if they need to add engine support
2016-03-29T08:03:43 < ohsix> all of those engines already do hrtf, they're likely just doing channel layouts
2016-03-29T08:06:06 < dongs> OSSIC X has excellent sound quality. Because they match the way you normally hear, they do not sound like any headphone you have heard before. They sound like real-life.
2016-03-29T08:07:15 < ohsix> what's their demo, old ipod earbuds?
2016-03-29T08:07:34 < ohsix> i got hd280s and they're really far from high end and they're swoosh
2016-03-29T08:08:04 < ohsix> they won't touch them, they'll just have the tech/game stuff as a fabricated 'feature' that other headphones won't have
2016-03-29T08:08:33 < ohsix> in vista+ you can actually do hrtf and channel layouts for something like those headphones with the pack in apos
2016-03-29T08:10:32 < ohsix> http://www.avclub.com/article/comedians-celebrate-garry-shandling-pickup-basketb-234460
2016-03-29T08:10:49 < dongs> totally stm32 releated.
2016-03-29T08:10:54 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-29T08:11:05 < ohsix> i saw it on ##stm32 on freenode
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2016-03-29T08:12:05 < ohsix> he was awesome
2016-03-29T08:13:13 < ohsix> gimme kickstarter link so i can be done with it olol
2016-03-29T08:20:45 < dongs> ossic kinda sounds like ohsix.
2016-03-29T08:20:54 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/248983394/ossic-x-the-first-3d-audio-headphones-calibrated-t
2016-03-29T08:21:16 < ohsix> if you knew anything you know it isn't phonetic bro
2016-03-29T08:21:26 < ohsix> only big nerds read it that way
2016-03-29T08:21:45 < dongs> i can read it as autism6 if you prefer
2016-03-29T08:22:22 < ohsix> how do you calibrate these
2016-03-29T08:22:27 < ohsix> that doesn't make sense
2016-03-29T08:22:35 < dongs> to your head
2016-03-29T08:24:36 < ohsix> there's nothing to calibrate
2016-03-29T08:25:16 < ohsix> heh head tracking
2016-03-29T08:25:36 < ohsix> that is newish but still an easy thing to do with existing sound software
2016-03-29T08:26:35 < ohsix> Hear your music exactly how the artist intended.
2016-03-29T08:26:36 < ohsix> :<
2016-03-29T08:27:34 < ohsix> the interaural distance is one of the variables that doesn't actually matter that much
2016-03-29T08:28:07 < ohsix> it is a slight delay/phase, and it can be one foot or 6 inches, and still extremely small vs. speed of sound
2016-03-29T08:28:40 < PeterM> im not listening to music standing in a puddle of warm beer, surrounded by retards, in the middle of a feild so it isnt hoiw the arrtist intended
2016-03-29T08:29:15 < ohsix> the artist isn't the person doing the mixing anyways
2016-03-29T08:29:26 < PeterM> mmhm
2016-03-29T08:30:00 < ohsix> unless they're neil young!
2016-03-29T08:30:27 < ohsix> it's going to be the studio people / producer
2016-03-29T08:32:44 < ohsix> Acoustical, physics-based testing. With a microphone in the ear, does the headphone reproduce the same signal as a real sound in space? Here we compared the OSSIC X to a gaming headphone.
2016-03-29T08:32:56 < ohsix> this might get them sued
2016-03-29T08:33:31 < ohsix> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/408/290/9f5089f367ba86f2e16194bca7661b1b_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1456209890&auto=format&q=92&s=a909fa3723585902fac0b85e343b0ab6
2016-03-29T08:33:36 < ohsix> anechoic chamber :[
2016-03-29T08:33:52 < ohsix> the dsign is neat though, i bet you can find original in china
2016-03-29T08:34:32 < ohsix> In gaming engines, the sounds can be tied to any objects or characters, and these are already natively positioned in 3D. Currently these sounds get compressed to, at most, 7 channels (and a subwoofer) on a ring around the listener. We are designing plugins that let natively 3D audio pass through to the listener.
2016-03-29T08:34:35 < ohsix> this is dicks too
2016-03-29T08:34:50 < ohsix> they do vertical panning in those mixes
2016-03-29T08:35:21 < ohsix> it's a ring of speakers that is proxy for sound emitters in 3 dimensional space
2016-03-29T08:35:54 < ohsix> you'd be surprised (not) how often things don't go directly over your head in movies and games and shit
2016-03-29T08:37:34 < ohsix> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/408/303/c5dc17fb3fd72b1d28302a795b51ba3f_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1456210172&auto=format&q=92&s=e9f2d4024714bf2373b2c48119217873 wut
2016-03-29T08:37:44 < ohsix> speakers behind ear plane in the rear
2016-03-29T08:39:07 < ohsix> In research it is known that your HRTF can be quantified in an anechoic chamber with hours of calibration measurements and this can be played back to make you believe that sound is coming from any location. However, despite this knowledge there was a chasm between what is known and what is available to consumers. This was our frustration and is why we founded OSSIC.
2016-03-29T08:39:18 < ohsix> haha
2016-03-29T08:39:34 < dongs> chasm
2016-03-29T08:39:41 < ohsix> literally every fucking phone and computer does hrtf
2016-03-29T08:39:59 < ohsix> The HRTF, or Head Related Transfer Function, is how you hear spatial sound. It is the difference between sound at an empty point in space, and sound at your ear with your body interacting with the soundfield.
2016-03-29T08:41:39 < ohsix> how 2 match the way you normally hear
2016-03-29T08:42:04 < ohsix> the great bit about these things is that the claims will never be investigated scientifically
2016-03-29T08:43:44 < ohsix> the websites who's logo  they use should do trademark enforcement
2016-03-29T08:45:27 < ohsix> people don't seem to realize that they could be better off with a simpler sound model in games because of the lower latency, panning alone already gives really good positional cues
2016-03-29T08:47:15 < ohsix> dongs: they say the spatialized stereo is as good as anything else it could potentially do in some of the comments
2016-03-29T08:47:45 < ohsix> the only real risk on this one is them not having good audio elements for the asking price
2016-03-29T08:47:53 < dongs> sure
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2016-03-29T08:48:23 < ohsix> they
2016-03-29T08:48:38 < ohsix> they have a lot of room to fuck with equalization and shit in software though
2016-03-29T08:48:58 < ohsix> they could make real marginal stuff not sound horrible
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2016-03-29T09:09:23 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/c7XFJMj.jpg
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2016-03-29T09:13:16 < emeb_mac> shit is fucked up
2016-03-29T09:14:07 < ohsix> you mean made up?
2016-03-29T09:14:57 < emeb_mac> of course it is
2016-03-29T09:18:47 < dongs> PeterM: i dont get it. seen it be fore too
2016-03-29T09:19:06 < ohsix> the joke is that he works with a terrorist
2016-03-29T09:19:33 < ohsix> and that there are so many muslims that are terrorists, if you were humming something they would jihad with you
2016-03-29T09:29:46 < ohsix> wow wat
2016-03-29T09:29:53 < ohsix> avago bought broadcom
2016-03-29T09:30:17 < dongs> ages ago
2016-03-29T09:30:30 < emeb_mac> dat
2016-03-29T09:31:35 < ohsix> that's one of those things i thought i had heard of but didn't register
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2016-03-29T09:32:12 < ohsix> i was still talking about 'broadcom' doing things when talking about the pi but nobody said anything :[
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2016-03-29T09:32:18 < ohsix> +a few weeks ago
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2016-03-29T09:33:05 < PeterM> are broadcom even relevant now?
2016-03-29T09:33:10 < ohsix> good thing it was in singapore, wouldn't want those pesky regulators here to intervene
2016-03-29T09:33:12 < ohsix> yea
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2016-03-29T09:33:25 < ohsix> they're in the baseband of billions of phones
2016-03-29T09:33:36 < ohsix> they sell ip for so much shit it is nuts
2016-03-29T09:34:10 < ohsix> they're kind of like renesas in that respect, when was the last time you saw a renesas part in anything
2016-03-29T09:34:55 < ohsix> i saw a transistor in a radio once
2016-03-29T09:35:03 < ohsix> that was all i've personally ever seen
2016-03-29T09:35:21 < ohsix> but they're all up in car ecus and automation
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2016-03-29T09:38:50 < PeterM> ohsix, thats qualcomm oyu'rethinking of
2016-03-29T09:40:17 < ohsix> not in the baseband, but yea
2016-03-29T09:40:18 < ohsix> http://linleygroup.com/newsletters/newsletter_detail.php?num=5206&year=2014&tag=2
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2016-03-29T09:46:46 < dongs> hmmm
2016-03-29T09:48:31 < ohsix> loool i just noticed at that link they bought it from renesas
2016-03-29T09:48:36 < dongs> lattice surely has some cheap stuff hmm
2016-03-29T09:48:36 < ohsix> guess i should read
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2016-03-29T09:49:16 < ohsix> what are you researching dongs
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2016-03-29T09:50:22 < ohsix> the lattice ice40 fpgas are the ones you can do a little bit of open source on too
2016-03-29T09:51:10 < dongs> need to do some multiport dmx stuff
2016-03-29T09:51:20 < ohsix> how many ports
2016-03-29T09:51:25 < dongs> lots
2016-03-29T09:51:27 < ohsix> cplds can do lots
2016-03-29T09:51:31 < ohsix> oic
2016-03-29T09:51:31 < dongs> yes
2016-03-29T09:51:35 < dongs> cpld is all i'd need for this
2016-03-29T09:51:41 < ohsix> werdup
2016-03-29T09:52:10 < ohsix> those are basically standardized and you can get parts anywhere
2016-03-29T09:52:13 < ohsix> by uhh
2016-03-29T09:52:23 < dongs> no, youre thinking that ancient shit
2016-03-29T09:52:25 < ohsix> the same people that do dram
2016-03-29T09:52:26 < dongs> GAL or wahtever
2016-03-29T09:52:27 < dongs> no
2016-03-29T09:52:44 < ohsix> not all of them are, but no; i'm thinking of new stuff
2016-03-29T09:52:45 < dongs> cplds are just as non-standard as fpga from each vendor
2016-03-29T09:52:45 < ohsix> sec
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2016-03-29T09:55:20 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/lattice-semiconductor-corporation/ICE40UL640-SWG16ITR50/220-1961-1-ND/5155600 i mean wtf
2016-03-29T09:58:03 < dongs> i wonder how afwul the tools are
2016-03-29T09:58:37 < jpa-> the icecube is only semi-awful
2016-03-29T09:58:54 < jpa-> but fortunately there is an open source toolchain for ICE40 to satisfy dongs
2016-03-29T10:00:07 < ohsix> dongs loves open source
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2016-03-29T10:00:28 < ohsix> dongs: ya i can't find the thing i was thinking of, may as well have been pals/gals
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2016-03-29T10:02:39 < dongs> it had to be
2016-03-29T10:02:44 < dongs> its the only thing that was "standartized"
2016-03-29T10:02:48 < dongs> with some standard bitstream shit
2016-03-29T10:02:52 < dongs> and china programmers
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2016-03-29T10:06:44 < dongs> ohsix, whats  fusion-mpt is that a technology or brand name
2016-03-29T10:06:53 < ohsix> azonenberg comes up a lot when you google fpga stuff
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2016-03-29T10:07:00 < dongs> yeah that fucking poser
2016-03-29T10:07:12 < ohsix> technology but ont vaguely remember what it is
2016-03-29T10:07:18 < dongs> astonerberg: talk a lot on irc and make a clone of xilinx nexys board
2016-03-29T10:07:22 < dongs> then t alk even more about it
2016-03-29T10:07:27 < dongs> then talk more about his phd and how its so great.
2016-03-29T10:07:52 < ohsix> that's what he does though
2016-03-29T10:08:01 < ohsix> like his work and research and shit
2016-03-29T10:08:13 < ohsix> This file presents general information about the LSI Logic Fusion-MPT (TM)
2016-03-29T10:08:14 < ohsix> (Message Passing Technology) device drivers for Linux(TM).
2016-03-29T10:08:15 < dongs> ":research"
2016-03-29T10:08:28 < ohsix> yea dude
2016-03-29T10:08:32 < dongs> one needs to have skills and knowledge to research
2016-03-29T10:08:34 < ohsix> he's got published papers
2016-03-29T10:08:39 < dongs> not just be a dumb poser on irc
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2016-03-29T10:09:09 < dongs> hm
2016-03-29T10:09:12 < dongs> so did someone buy lsilogic
2016-03-29T10:09:20 < dongs> cuz avago now makes "Fusion-MPT" stuff
2016-03-29T10:09:26 < ohsix> http://google.com/patents/EP2681116A1?cl=un and patents
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2016-03-29T10:11:03 < ohsix> http://gradworks.umi.com/37/05/3705663.html
2016-03-29T10:11:12 < ohsix> all the things you like about him in one paper
2016-03-29T10:11:48 < dongs> lol fucking whitehat shithead
2016-03-29T10:13:53 < dongs> is that rpi.edu?
2016-03-29T10:17:14 < ohsix> that's where he was and afair still teaches at
2016-03-29T10:17:57 < ohsix> you're making me talk him up, i don't really care; but if someone has published something it's kind of a big deal
2016-03-29T10:18:08 < ohsix> i didn't even know about the patent
2016-03-29T10:20:29 < ohsix> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/8-cores-fpga-bitcoin-miner/730738103.html
2016-03-29T10:21:17 < zyp> isn't that outdated as fuck?
2016-03-29T10:21:33 < ohsix> isn't bitcoin?
2016-03-29T10:21:46 < zyp> bitcoin miners have been using custom ASICs for years AFAIK
2016-03-29T10:22:25 < zyp> my guess is that FPGA based miners are too slow to have any chance of profitability nowadays
2016-03-29T10:23:08 < ohsix> didn't you hear about the blockchain crisis
2016-03-29T10:24:18 < dongs> lol @ that link
2016-03-29T10:24:21 < dongs> it didnt work at first
2016-03-29T10:24:31 < dongs> btw, ohsix http://www.aliexpress.com/item/0/730738103.html
2016-03-29T10:24:36 < dongs> this is usally better to surprise
2016-03-29T10:25:22 < ohsix> werdup
2016-03-29T10:25:33 < ohsix> it's also not available
2016-03-29T10:25:51 < ohsix> if you search for open source fpga related stuff it ranks pretty high on google
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2016-03-29T10:26:38 < dongs> 1.3GH/s
2016-03-29T10:26:40 < dongs> isnt that worthless now
2016-03-29T10:27:30 < ohsix> :\
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2016-03-29T10:28:19 < ohsix> https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions
2016-03-29T10:29:00 < ohsix> not being able to trade them makes speculation fun
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2016-03-29T10:29:44 < dongs> ah lx150 shit
2016-03-29T10:29:51 < dongs> i remembmer you could get those for dirtcheap
2016-03-29T10:29:55 < dongs> once htey becamae worthless for mining
2016-03-29T10:30:02 < dongs> people were basicalyl giving away sticks wiht them on ebay
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2016-03-29T10:38:50 < dongs> ok which of you fuckers signed me up for altium seminar in japan
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2016-03-29T10:39:30 < jpa-> it was me; but only by mistake, meant to sign you up for the kicad seminar
2016-03-29T10:39:48 < dongs> kikecad has no seminars
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2016-03-29T10:42:09 < ohsix> i found a youtube channel with tutorials tho
2016-03-29T10:42:26 < ohsix> wasn't looking for one, just happened to have it in old videos
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2016-03-29T10:50:21 < ohsix> Circuit Board Design with KiCAD Tickets, Sat, Dec 12, 2015 ...
2016-03-29T10:50:21 < ohsix> www.eventbrite.com › ... › Class › Science & Tech
2016-03-29T10:50:25 < ohsix> they exisssst
2016-03-29T10:55:15 < ohsix> Pcb was first written by Thomas Nau for an Atari ST in 1990 and ported to UNIX and X11 in 1994. It was not intended as a professional layout system, but as a tool which supports people who do some home-developing of hardware.
2016-03-29T10:55:16 < ohsix> The second release 1.2 included menus for the first time. This made Pcb easier to use and thus a more important tool.
2016-03-29T10:55:21 < ohsix> ooh menus
2016-03-29T10:55:40 < dongs> haha
2016-03-29T10:55:53 < dongs> ohsix: is that kikecad? sounds like geda
2016-03-29T10:58:48 < dongs> https://youtu.be/4qqRUJ5M_U8?t=44 this is the trashed space telesope payload launch
2016-03-29T10:59:08 < dongs> that fujitv copyrighted for some fucking reason
2016-03-29T11:01:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/DJf07z0.png 2015 prius is all about china 240x320 LCDs
2016-03-29T11:02:03 < dongs> or 2016 maybe i donno
2016-03-29T11:02:14 < dongs> old ones used what almost looked liek VFD
2016-03-29T11:02:15 < jpa-> kicad uses something called "pcbnew"
2016-03-29T11:02:19 < dongs> for the speed guage
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2016-03-29T11:02:34 < dongs> jpa-: geda, too
2016-03-29T11:03:27 < ohsix> dongs: yea that was geda
2016-03-29T11:03:41 < ohsix> i've read it before, was just funno
2016-03-29T11:03:52 < ohsix> atari st scene was pretty cool
2016-03-29T11:06:29 < dongs> http://v-sys.jp/http://v-sys.jp/
2016-03-29T11:06:32 < dongs> er http://v-sys.jp/
2016-03-29T11:09:15 < ohsix> ReadError: heh you can listen to all of 99% invisible in a day or two
2016-03-29T11:09:36 < ohsix> kind of interesting as a format, being really short
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2016-03-29T11:54:47 < lorenzo> how the pump today crt
2016-03-29T11:54:55 < lorenzo> working fine?
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2016-03-29T11:56:37 < lorenzo> crt: bit clogged
2016-03-29T11:56:58 < dongs> stming
2016-03-29T11:57:03 < lorenzo> ^
2016-03-29T11:57:12 < lorenzo> with more force than ever
2016-03-29T11:57:30 < ohsix> trump recoiled from an eagle like he did to that stage rushing
2016-03-29T11:57:41 < ohsix> oh jeeze 2015 was so long ago
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2016-03-29T11:57:51 < dongs> i heard trump wrote stdperiphlib.
2016-03-29T11:58:15 < dongs> .. all by himself.
2016-03-29T11:58:51 < ohsix> what's this v-sys thing
2016-03-29T11:59:08 < ohsix> that human controller rig thing is interesting but do people really need it for 3d modelling
2016-03-29T11:59:26 < ohsix> using a figure even directly is more of an art interpretation thing
2016-03-29T11:59:50 < ohsix> fark was a website
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2016-03-29T12:23:12 < ohsix> uhhh
2016-03-29T12:24:28 < ohsix> trailer park boys s10 yesterday
2016-03-29T12:24:59 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-29T12:25:06 < ohsix> wasn't exactly waiting, pleasant surprise
2016-03-29T12:25:49 < dongs> Hello! It looks like you're trying to blog. Would you like to: [ Post to del.icio.us ] [ Post to stumble.upon ] [ Submit to redd.it ] [ Kill yourself ]
2016-03-29T12:28:54 < ohsix> it's kind of a big deal
2016-03-29T12:29:20 < PeterM> unliek you?
2016-03-29T12:29:36 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-29T12:29:56 < ohsix> did you want to know about what's going on with me? i just ate some pizza and got out of the shower a little bit ago
2016-03-29T12:30:13 < dongs> this looks like twitter-worthy material
2016-03-29T12:30:21 < dongs> so you can bounce in your own echo-chamber
2016-03-29T12:30:23 < ohsix> don't have any pictures
2016-03-29T12:36:06 < ohsix> SUPER HOT chats
2016-03-29T12:37:51 < ohsix> frig pumps
2016-03-29T12:51:04 < ohsix> anything new, watching trailer park boys
2016-03-29T12:51:11 < ohsix> s10 was posted yesterday
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2016-03-29T14:57:02 < ohsix> stm32 xkcd is going to be in high school science textbooks stm32
2016-03-29T14:57:22 < zyp> stm32 xkcd?
2016-03-29T14:57:45 < ohsix> stm32?
2016-03-29T14:58:25 < jpa-> stm32 this is how we talk here stm32
2016-03-29T14:58:43 < dongs> zyp, is ST95  on the way?
2016-03-29T14:58:45 < ohsix> stm32 stm32
2016-03-29T14:58:59 < zyp> dongs, not yet, should I order now?
2016-03-29T14:59:11 < dongs> i guess, the boards were submitted yesterday i think
2016-03-29T14:59:36 < dongs> i think thats all I need the rest of the shit I can pickup locally
2016-03-29T14:59:52 < zyp> anything else you need? I still owe you for the work both for last and this shit, so I could pay you in mouser parts :p
2016-03-29T15:00:35 < dongs> nah, not right now, i just had some mouser trash delivered last week that I couldnt get locally
2016-03-29T15:00:50 < zyp> haha, ok
2016-03-29T15:00:57 < dongs> and i gotta queue shit from chiangirl anyway so
2016-03-29T15:01:20 < ohsix> what's an stm95
2016-03-29T15:01:25 < ohsix> erg, st95
2016-03-29T15:02:02 < zyp> st95hf, nfc chip
2016-03-29T15:02:36 < zyp> dongs, not gonna bother with cr* this time
2016-03-29T15:03:17 < Sync> hmm, oh lol there are tssop20 stm32
2016-03-29T15:03:25 < Sync> I did not notice that before
2016-03-29T15:05:44 < zyp> dongs, haha, 12 chips are too cheap to qualify for free shipping
2016-03-29T15:06:13 < zyp> dongs, maybe I can just throw in some shit I need and you'll just forward it along with the assembled boards?
2016-03-29T15:09:13 < dongs> zyp: sounds good
2016-03-29T15:14:00 < zyp> ok, I'll throw in one of these as well: http://no.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Intel/EDI2BBALK/?qs=%2fha2pyFadugEksTGx4uNOiBFH9nNJpNchuDQ2ODbj5c%3d
2016-03-29T15:14:28 < dongs> cutting edge tecnololgy
2016-03-29T15:14:28 < ohsix> hur
2016-03-29T15:14:34 < zyp> yeah
2016-03-29T15:15:00 < dongs> oh, that has quark in it
2016-03-29T15:15:01 < zyp> do you prefer fedex or dhl?
2016-03-29T15:15:06 < dongs> fedex
2016-03-29T15:16:02 < dongs> .. there's a FTDI
2016-03-29T15:16:04 < dongs> on that board
2016-03-29T15:20:47 < zyp> ok, ordered
2016-03-29T15:21:14 < dongs> I'll preload it with CIH virus for you
2016-03-29T15:37:58 < Sync> dongs: does chinagirl have adm3053 clones?
2016-03-29T15:38:22 < dongs> ADM3053BRWZ ?
2016-03-29T15:38:46 < dongs> isnt that the usb isolator something thing
2016-03-29T15:38:51 < dongs> oh, something isolator.
2016-03-29T15:38:53 < dongs> yeah probably ha s.
2016-03-29T15:40:21 < Sync> can isolator
2016-03-29T15:41:47 < Sync> I'd need like 50 but they are stupid expensive from the regular distributors
2016-03-29T15:41:52 < dongs> right
2016-03-29T15:41:56 < dongs> queued for tomrorow morning
2016-03-29T15:43:09 < Sync> great, thanks :)
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2016-03-29T16:13:10 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/GPS-Multirotor-Flight-Controller/
2016-03-29T16:13:19 < dongs> i'll bid 100/hr to tell him to buy pixhawk
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2016-03-29T16:33:52 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/CuBF0ErWIhQ?t=510
2016-03-29T16:34:59 < Lux> dongs: heh 25$ an hour, but i guess for just setting up pixhawk someone could do it
2016-03-29T16:36:29 < Lux> i bet doing the development from the ground up would be >>100k
2016-03-29T16:36:43 < dongs> lux, i mean, i could just clone some shitty multiwii board
2016-03-29T16:36:46 < dongs> with GPS
2016-03-29T16:36:50 < dongs> he didnt say it had to work right?
2016-03-29T16:37:00 < Lux> right :)
2016-03-29T16:40:36 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Supplier-Sourcing/Used-Printed-Circuit-Board-Sourcing/
2016-03-29T16:40:59 < dongs> lux, hows your clonefc doing
2016-03-29T16:41:53 < Lux> it's doing ok
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2016-03-29T16:44:18 < Lux> but i can't really say much more, probably there'll be some public stuff end of summer or so
2016-03-29T16:47:08 < dongs> mkay
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2016-03-29T17:53:57 < dongs> o nice
2016-03-29T17:54:15 < dongs> viewsource on feelancer lets you see userid of employer
2016-03-29T17:54:36 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/isaac58.html the quad video multiplexer guy https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Quad-video-display-multiplexer/
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2016-03-29T18:04:59 < ReadError> woh
2016-03-29T18:05:06 < dongs> Israel delays flights to Larnaca following hijacking of Egyptian passenger plane; Israeli air force on high alert with fighter jets in the air in case of a possible infiltration; hijackers tell police to back off so they can release women and children
2016-03-29T18:05:07 < ReadError> chrome dev tools has a pretty print thing for JS files
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2016-03-29T18:10:30 < dongs> javascript:(function()%7Bwindow.open(project.buyer.url%2C'_blank')%7D)() add bookmarklet for this
2016-03-29T18:10:37 < dongs> to troll feelancer usernames with one-click
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2016-03-29T18:27:27 < englishman> dongs, maybe you shouldnt suggest dixhawk, since chris anderson announced yesterday they are shutting their cloning facilites down
2016-03-29T18:29:28 < dongs> oh?
2016-03-29T18:29:30 < dongs> sauce plz
2016-03-29T18:29:37 < dongs> 3d dongbotics shutting donw?
2016-03-29T18:29:50 < dongs> http://www.xconomy.com/san-diego/2016/03/24/layoffs-reflect-new-turbulence-at-high-flying-3d-robotics%C2%AD/
2016-03-29T18:29:53 < dongs> lol
2016-03-29T18:30:52 < englishman> http://pastebin.com/E7qQ8CLY
2016-03-29T18:31:00 < englishman> http://www.droneflyers.com/2016/03/3d-robotics-failure-to-launch-and-unicorn-dreams/
2016-03-29T18:31:45 < englishman> looks like hiring colin guinn was great success, just like when he worked at dji
2016-03-29T18:32:10 < dongs> the shamwow guy
2016-03-29T18:32:28 < englishman> no, different dudebro
2016-03-29T18:32:32 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwRISkyV_B8
2016-03-29T18:32:41 < dongs> looks like  guinn to me
2016-03-29T18:32:54 < englishman> difference is one is in prison for sex crimes
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2016-03-29T18:33:00 < englishman> the other is VP marketing for a failing drone company
2016-03-29T18:33:05 < dongs> HEH
2016-03-29T18:34:17 < dongs> 4. Done away with most of their financial and other support for the open source software they based their business plan on. Let go of most of the team members associated with the Ardupilot project (this project has been handed back to the world-at-large).
2016-03-29T18:34:21 < dongs> yay!
2016-03-29T18:34:24 < dongs> tardupilot finally dead
2016-03-29T18:34:44 < englishman> isnt that like red hat dropping lunix support
2016-03-29T18:38:57 < dongs> nice
2016-03-29T18:39:02 < dongs> oh well bedtime gotta dickplace all day tomroow
2016-03-29T18:39:03 < dongs> bbl
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2016-03-29T18:46:17 < mitrax> does anyone know a cheap 24V DC-DC isolated converter (100 to 200mA output)?
2016-03-29T18:47:19 < zyp> hmm, I saw some thing, but I don't know if it does 24V
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2016-03-29T18:48:22 < mitrax> zyp: 24V as in or out? i could do with 15 or 12V output as well
2016-03-29T18:50:18 < Thorn> http://www.meanwell.com/mw_search/nes-15/NES-15-SPEC.PDF
2016-03-29T18:50:38 < zyp> hmm, there's a bunch of small ones on digikey, but they won't do 100mA
2016-03-29T18:51:31 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/xp-power/ISE2424A-TR/1470-2955-1-ND/5320877 <- like this thing
2016-03-29T18:52:24 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/xp-power/JCB0324S24/1470-1821-5-ND/4488201 <- this perhaps, but it's not cheap
2016-03-29T18:52:56 < mitrax> yeah saw that one, too bad it's only 42mA, yeah anything above 100mA is super expensive :(
2016-03-29T18:58:24 < Thorn> these are 0.23A @24V or 0.33A #15V http://www.meanwell.com/webapp/product/search.aspx?prod=NFM-05
2016-03-29T19:00:19 < Thorn> http://www.meanwell.com/mw_search/NFM-05/NFM-05-spec.pdf  stupid website
2016-03-29T19:01:34 < mitrax> Thorn: thanks but i need DC DC :)
2016-03-29T19:02:07 < zyp> «Sorry, this link is not authorized by Mean Well.»
2016-03-29T19:04:38 < zyp> I do need some AC/DC thing, but I need it to be small
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2016-03-29T19:04:48 < zyp> http://www.xppower.com/Portals/0/pdfs/SF_ECE05-10.pdf <- so I'm probably ending up with this if I can't find anything better
2016-03-29T19:14:09 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/4TqGPl7
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2016-03-29T19:30:16 < mitrax> ah found one
2016-03-29T19:30:38 < mitrax> https://world.taobao.com/item/527547622343.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.jRVkVr
2016-03-29T19:30:56 < mitrax> still expensive but not as bad as the others
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2016-03-29T20:45:28 < MightyPork> hello. Having weird issue with ADC, maybe you'll know what's up. Doing ADC->DMA, with timer. First 15 ms of the capture are some 7 LSB lower than the rest. I tried disabled my LEDs, debug output, everything I could think of, and no dice. So, ideas?
2016-03-29T20:45:35 < MightyPork> it's f303
2016-03-29T20:49:40 < MightyPork> Here's a plot of the output - http://data.ondrovo.com/i/Screenshot_2016-03-29_19-48-55.png
2016-03-29T20:50:09 < MightyPork> (this si sampled at 5 kHz)
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2016-03-29T22:23:35 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcGMyQjVGaVVyNFU/view?usp=sharing you wish that hippo wouldn't be hippo if you take 30kg of it's tail
2016-03-29T22:23:44 < kakimir> but it's still hippo
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2016-03-29T22:24:41 < Steffann> You are weird kakimir.
2016-03-29T22:25:47 < kakimir> installed electric wiring for back worklight and tried it without seat and all the shiet
2016-03-29T22:26:30 < kakimir> it's hopeless.. track tunnel is steel.. foot rests are steel and so on
2016-03-29T22:27:54 < kakimir> maybe it gives ridigity for work purposes and towing shiet
2016-03-29T22:28:44 < kakimir> I noticed it moves backwards better without the cage
2016-03-29T22:29:25 < kakimir> it doesn't have surface to push the snow behind it
2016-03-29T22:32:35 < kakimir> implication would be to have plactic ramp behind the sled
2016-03-29T22:32:59 < kakimir> I need s
2016-03-29T22:33:03 < kakimir> to stop
2016-03-29T22:33:21 < kakimir> I can't afford playing with toys now
2016-03-29T22:33:50 < kakimir> when I'm rich pitz it's different then
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2016-03-29T22:44:33 < kakimir> can I load a program in windows 10 at startup
2016-03-29T22:44:36 < kakimir> without starting it
2016-03-29T22:44:42 < kakimir> like any program
2016-03-29T22:44:59 < kakimir> so it loads all it's like dll and shiet
2016-03-29T22:45:07 < kakimir> and when you open it it's like BOOM
2016-03-29T22:46:51 < MightyPork> just buy ssd
2016-03-29T22:47:12 < kakimir> I have
2016-03-29T22:47:25 < kakimir> it pretty damn quick also
2016-03-29T22:47:47 < kakimir> it's 2016 and there is no software preprocessing
2016-03-29T22:49:26 < kakimir> like stuff where it would run the software in sort of sandbox and preprocess shiet to some image
2016-03-29T22:49:34 < kakimir> initial loading stuff
2016-03-29T22:50:19 < kakimir> 90% of programs always start in same way every time
2016-03-29T22:51:42 < zyp> idk about windows, but on OS X the idea now is that all apps resume from how you left them
2016-03-29T22:53:19 < kakimir> sounds dirty
2016-03-29T22:58:14 < Steffann> its perfect.
2016-03-29T22:58:29 < kakimir> if programs are made solid
2016-03-29T22:58:42 < kakimir> not with X number of mem leaks
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2016-03-29T22:58:55 < kakimir> like one popular browser
2016-03-29T22:59:32 < Steffann> firemir?
2016-03-29T22:59:54 < kakimir> ye
2016-03-29T23:00:26 < Steffann> its not that chrome uses less
2016-03-29T23:00:35 < kakimir> no
2016-03-29T23:00:39 < Steffann> or are you still using some firefox version very ancient?
2016-03-29T23:00:47 < kakimir> no
2016-03-29T23:00:54 < kakimir> they fixed it I know
2016-03-29T23:01:02 < kakimir> like 2years ago
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2016-03-29T23:36:34 < karlp> MightyPork: I wasn't expecting a step, I had a theory on too short sampling time for your signal, that stabilizes, but that should curve up or down, not step like that.
2016-03-29T23:36:43 < karlp> MightyPork: what's with the units on the x axis though?
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2016-03-29T23:39:25 < MightyPork> what do you mean with the units?
2016-03-29T23:39:33 < MightyPork> karlp: ^
2016-03-29T23:40:06 < MightyPork> it appears as if some load was released after the 14 ms, but there is really nothing other than the MPU
2016-03-29T23:41:04 < karlp> postivie and negative mA are not what I'd expect for "difference of 7 lsb"
2016-03-29T23:41:23 < MightyPork> oh no it's converted
2016-03-29T23:41:32 < MightyPork> I'm building an AC current analyser
2016-03-29T23:41:38 < MightyPork> this is the web UI
2016-03-29T23:41:50 < MightyPork> you can see the LSB step in the chart
2016-03-29T23:46:42 < MightyPork> there's no visible change in the 3.3V line, but my scope can't really zoom vertically, so I can't see details
2016-03-29T23:49:19 < MightyPork> karlp any other ideas beside the sampling time ? (I'll try changing that tho just to test)
2016-03-29T23:51:47 < MightyPork> holy cow
2016-03-29T23:51:51 < MightyPork> that actually solved it
2016-03-29T23:51:54 < MightyPork> you're the best, karlp
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2016-03-29T23:55:24 < MightyPork> * Here's a screenshot of the whole app, if you wanna have a look. It's running in ESP8266, and the STM32 is used as a sampling module. Will also have FFT and other stuff later.
2016-03-29T23:55:24 < MightyPork> http://data.ondrovo.com/i/Screenshot_2016-03-29_22-53-52.png
2016-03-29T23:56:40 < MightyPork> ...and they talk to each other using SBMP, the binary UART protocol I talked about here some 2 weeks ago - now fully implemented and works great!
2016-03-29T23:56:43 < MightyPork> https://github.com/MightyPork/sbmp
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2016-03-29T23:57:07 < karlp> I'm just curious how 7lsb went frmo negative to positive on your adc, is all :)
2016-03-29T23:57:21 < karlp> sampling time on the stm32 adcs is pretty important to get right.
2016-03-29T23:57:38 < MightyPork> I have 0 at Vdda / 2
2016-03-29T23:57:38 < karlp> and you cna't just do "use the longest" to get the best results either, that can make it worse for some signals.
2016-03-29T23:57:59 < MightyPork> it's a current transformer + an opamp, so I get negative voltages WRT this "zero"
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2016-03-29T23:58:26 < MightyPork> yea I have settled at 19.5 now, which works OK
2016-03-29T23:58:28 < MightyPork> was 4.5 before
2016-03-29T23:58:51 < MightyPork> had no idea what it affects, so I just picked a random one. turns out it affects everything
2016-03-29T23:58:55 < karlp> are you sure your x axis is right? what are those periodic spikes? that's not 50hz or 60 hz if those sample numbers are correct.
2016-03-29T23:59:13 < karlp> there's a footnote in the specs section of the datasheet about input impedance and minimum sampling times,
2016-03-29T23:59:21 < karlp> it's massively important :)
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2016-03-30T00:00:25 < karlp> how are the esp8266 and stm32 connected? spi?
2016-03-30T00:00:51 < MightyPork> the X axis is a sample number, I think it's correct - before it was just a noise, so there wasnt anything much really to see
2016-03-30T00:00:58 < karlp> if you were going to use the esp2866, why not just get one of the single cheap power metering units? microchip and AD both make some,
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2016-03-30T00:01:21 < MightyPork> it's my bachelor project, so I can't just "go buy something"
2016-03-30T00:01:29 < MightyPork> building the pcb and all
2016-03-30T00:02:01 < karlp> so that periodic signal is your power supply ripple going into your reference divider?
2016-03-30T00:02:14 < karlp> your bachelor project can still teach you part selection and integration,
2016-03-30T00:02:32 < MightyPork> ripple you mean in the new screenshot?
2016-03-30T00:02:47 < karlp> I've onyl seen one screenshpt: http://data.ondrovo.com/i/Screenshot_2016-03-29_22-53-52.png
2016-03-30T00:03:18 < MightyPork> ah right. I'm sampling a phone charger there
2016-03-30T00:03:18 < karlp> oh, and the one you first shared to show the problem
2016-03-30T00:03:30 < karlp> right, so on that one, are you sure your sampling rate is correct?
2016-03-30T00:03:43 < karlp> because 100 samples at 4khz isn't 50hz or 60hz
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2016-03-30T00:05:08 < MightyPork> it's possible that I calculate the prescallers wrong for some values, I'll have to check that
2016-03-30T00:05:27 < MightyPork> at 5000 Hz a period is exactly 100 samples
2016-03-30T00:06:18 < karlp> right, ok, my bad,
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2016-03-30T00:06:43 < TheSeven> looks like 50Hz, 80 samples at 4kHz per period
2016-03-30T00:07:12 < karlp> I was mixing it up with some of my stuff where I count for 100ms, to get either 5 or 6 waveforms, at etiher 50 or 60 hz
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2016-03-30T00:08:37 < MightyPork> here's another one at 80 samples per period, I think it's correct http://data.ondrovo.com/i/Screenshot_2016-03-29_23-07-48.png
2016-03-30T00:09:17 < MightyPork> ye 50 Hz, I'm in europe
2016-03-30T00:10:00 < TheSeven> so this is the current of some charger? how many mA should one LSB be in theory?
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2016-03-30T00:11:25 < TheSeven> and how are you generating the signal that's being sampled?
2016-03-30T00:11:33 < MightyPork> it's 0.097V per Amp, then I amplify it 10x, and sample by the stm
2016-03-30T00:11:41 < MightyPork> so the LSB is something around 0.2 mA
2016-03-30T00:11:49 < TheSeven> how are you generating Vdda/2?
2016-03-30T00:11:51 < MightyPork> it's a current transformer
2016-03-30T00:11:57 < MightyPork> two resistors and a follower
2016-03-30T00:12:10 < MightyPork> I then align it to a mean value of the signal, to remove offsets
2016-03-30T00:12:24 < TheSeven> how do you align that?
2016-03-30T00:12:30 < MightyPork> just math..
2016-03-30T00:12:40 < TheSeven> sliding window? or just calibrated once?
2016-03-30T00:12:52 < TheSeven> and how big is the window that you use to determine the mean?
2016-03-30T00:13:14 < MightyPork> no I just take avg of the data I captured, and subtract it from the ADC output
2016-03-30T00:13:20 < Sync> MightyPork: are you sampling current and voltage at the same time with the dual adc?
2016-03-30T00:13:24 < TheSeven> ok, so across the whole measurement
2016-03-30T00:13:25 < MightyPork> it works OK for longer windows
2016-03-30T00:13:46 < MightyPork> if there's partial period, it'll be off, but I'll be doing 4096 samples or so for the FFT anyway
2016-03-30T00:13:56 < MightyPork> for around a second. so should be ok
2016-03-30T00:14:14 < MightyPork> Sync: no I get voltage using a shunt at the current transformer
2016-03-30T00:14:19 < TheSeven> yeah I was just wondering if it might be a sliding window average wiggling around or something
2016-03-30T00:15:06 < MightyPork> do you think the offset can change across the segment?
2016-03-30T00:15:14 < MightyPork> then that'd be needed...
2016-03-30T00:15:19 < Sync> nah MightyPork ac line voltage
2016-03-30T00:16:03 < karlp> the resistor on the CT is normally called a "burden" resistor in this usage, not a shunt.
2016-03-30T00:16:21 < MightyPork> ah ok, bad terminology then
2016-03-30T00:16:31 < MightyPork> it's completely isolated from the AC line
2016-03-30T00:16:35 < MightyPork> dont want to kill myself
2016-03-30T00:16:35 < karlp> taking the average and substracting works ok if your window is a perfect multiple of the cycles
2016-03-30T00:16:48 < karlp> but if you don't have a perfect multiple of the cycles, you'll either be above or below.
2016-03-30T00:16:58 < MightyPork> yea I realize that
2016-03-30T00:17:15 < MightyPork> alternative would be to use a mux and disconnect the input, but that's an extra part
2016-03-30T00:17:24 < karlp> 50hz isn't always 50hz, that's all...
2016-03-30T00:18:12 < MightyPork> some idea how to do it better?
2016-03-30T00:18:13 < karlp> (I just use a divider to offset the burden resistor and an RC filter, no opamp)
2016-03-30T00:18:34 < Sync> no MightyPork, what I mean is, do you sample current and voltage at the same time
2016-03-30T00:18:46 < MightyPork> maybe you have a better coil, this one gives super low voltages for the kind of thing I'm measuring
2016-03-30T00:19:06 < MightyPork> Sync: no I don't sample voltage at all
2016-03-30T00:19:24 < Sync> okay
2016-03-30T00:19:42 < MightyPork> that'd be for what, power calculation?
2016-03-30T00:19:48 < Sync> yes
2016-03-30T00:20:01 < MightyPork> I was hoping I can get away with 230 * Irms = P
2016-03-30T00:20:05 < Sync> no
2016-03-30T00:20:08 < Sync> absolutely not
2016-03-30T00:20:39 < karlp> that's absolutely fake
2016-03-30T00:20:41 < MightyPork> huh. okay then I won't show power there
2016-03-30T00:20:54 < karlp> you can only do that for people who want to see W instad of A.
2016-03-30T00:20:56 < MightyPork> any way to get approximate power from just the current?
2016-03-30T00:21:06 < karlp> sure, let the user enter power factor
2016-03-30T00:21:23 < MightyPork> oh, that's the cos fi right
2016-03-30T00:21:49 < karlp> for people that just want to see Watts instead of amps, sure, just *230 is ok...
2016-03-30T00:22:01 < Sync> but it is incredibly wrong to do that
2016-03-30T00:22:10 < karlp> then you do * 11c/kwh, and before you know it you're doign billing on made up numbers ;)
2016-03-30T00:22:21 < karlp> Sync: depends what you're doing ;)
2016-03-30T00:22:30 < Sync> if you are scamming, people yes
2016-03-30T00:22:37 < MightyPork> I wanted to show it just to give some idea of what kind of load is there
2016-03-30T00:22:38 < karlp> if you want to get indications of load/overload, makes no fucking difference.
2016-03-30T00:22:49 < Sync> yes
2016-03-30T00:22:53 < karlp> if you're trying to bill on wh usage, then sure, scam.
2016-03-30T00:23:10 < karlp> but not any more than retail never beign changed for reactive power or anything
2016-03-30T00:23:20 < karlp> so, "bad" and "wrong" but "doesn't matter for most peopel"
2016-03-30T00:23:44 < Sync> well, that's to be seen what happens with the move to smart meters
2016-03-30T00:23:51 < MightyPork> if I call it P_approx thats cool then right
2016-03-30T00:24:09 < karlp> MightyPork: up to you and your users...
2016-03-30T00:24:16 < Sync> yup
2016-03-30T00:24:27 < MightyPork> I mean if it's TOTALLY wrong then I jhust wont show it
2016-03-30T00:24:31 < Sync> if I were your prof I'd poke you in the eye
2016-03-30T00:25:10 < karlp> qyx: was it you who had the microchip power meter chips plsu stm32f103 ethernet power analyser thing?
2016-03-30T00:25:15 < karlp> I can't find it in my links,
2016-03-30T00:25:16 < MightyPork> hmm. won't make problems to myself and just remove it then
2016-03-30T00:25:48 < Sync> I mean, idk what your task is but huh
2016-03-30T00:26:03 < MightyPork> it's supposed to detect change in the spectrum
2016-03-30T00:26:11 < MightyPork> for like, predicting a motor fault or whatev
2016-03-30T00:26:23 < MightyPork> this is all just extras
2016-03-30T00:26:49 < Sync> then you probably want to measure voltage as well to calculate power factor
2016-03-30T00:26:59 < Sync> so you can predict failing capacitors
2016-03-30T00:27:11 < Sync> if you run cheap cap motors
2016-03-30T00:27:40 < karlp> should be able to infer that just from current consumption going up.
2016-03-30T00:27:50 < MightyPork> you mean I'd do the fft in complex, I vs V ?
2016-03-30T00:27:50 < karlp> adding voltage measurement is teh suck,
2016-03-30T00:28:19 < karlp> why do you want to FFT? only need if you're taking one approach to determinging harmonic content
2016-03-30T00:28:42 < kakimir> is there way to make winlolz open some text files with default text editor?
2016-03-30T00:28:49 < kakimir> by it's context
2016-03-30T00:28:51 < MightyPork> the idea is that I measure a "good" spectrum and then calculate distance from it
2016-03-30T00:29:04 < MightyPork> but it's just an idea I'm going to either prove to work, or disprove
2016-03-30T00:29:20 < karlp> I like your esp webapp thing though, that's nice :)
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2016-03-30T00:29:39 < karlp> doign deviation from a "good" spectyrum sounds interesting, but hard :)
2016-03-30T00:29:56 < karlp> I think you're going to get impacted too much by effects on the line from other consumers re harmonic content.
2016-03-30T00:29:58 < Sync> karlp: not really, just put the stm on the high side and isolate the spi
2016-03-30T00:30:04 < MightyPork> it's pretty amazing what can be done with the esp. initially I tried to use the AT commands but now there's my own firmware
2016-03-30T00:30:04 < kisielk> does anyone know what the main difference between USB FS libraries for the F0x2 and the F10 / L1 / F3 is?
2016-03-30T00:30:07 < Sync> easy :D
2016-03-30T00:30:16 < karlp> Sync: yes, but that still requires actually doing all the high side isolation properly.
2016-03-30T00:30:29 < karlp> it's not _nearly_ as straightforward as just measuring current :)
2016-03-30T00:30:34 < karlp> particularly not for certs ;)
2016-03-30T00:30:46 < zyp> kisielk, dunno about the libraries, but I know what's different about the hardware, if you need to know that
2016-03-30T00:31:04 < kisielk> zyp: yeah, I wrote the same device for both and I'm wondering if I can somehow clean up and merge the code
2016-03-30T00:31:11 < zyp> yes
2016-03-30T00:31:17 < MightyPork> you mean my measuremenets will get messed up by other loads in the network, through my PSU?
2016-03-30T00:31:17 < kisielk> there's a lot of overlap seemingly, and it's a pain to maintain two versions
2016-03-30T00:31:20 < Sync> yeah, that is why I'm saying that he should measure voltage as well, as you cannot trust the line to be sinusoidal
2016-03-30T00:31:37 < kakimir> bros were is your projects?
2016-03-30T00:31:42 < zyp> kisielk, F0 and L0 is using a newer version of the same peripheral, with a few more registers that's pretty much all optional extra features you don't have to care about
2016-03-30T00:31:53 < zyp> the interesting one of those would be internal D+ pullup enable
2016-03-30T00:32:05 < Sync> karlp: never had an issue with that
2016-03-30T00:32:17 < kisielk> yeah, I'm using that on the F0 device, but it looks like there's just a define to disable that
2016-03-30T00:32:23 < zyp> kisielk, apart from that the only breaking difference is how the buffer memory is mapped
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2016-03-30T00:32:44 < kisielk> what's different about the buffer memory?
2016-03-30T00:33:00 < zyp> in v1, the buffer memory is 16 bit wide mapped on a 32 bit bus, so you can only access all the halfwords
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2016-03-30T00:33:11 < kakimir> *project updates
2016-03-30T00:33:19 < zyp> if you've already written a lib for v1 I guess you're familiar with that already
2016-03-30T00:34:19 < zyp> in v2, the buffer memory is still 16 bit wide, but mapped on a 16 bit adapter, so now it's contiguous 16 bit words, not with a dummy word between every word
2016-03-30T00:34:45 < kisielk> right.. I used the library, I think UserToPMABufferCopy takes care of that
2016-03-30T00:34:50 < zyp> you can still only do 16 bit accesses, otherwise you'll get pretty weird results
2016-03-30T00:34:55 < karlp> Sync: never had line distortion from other devices? or what?
2016-03-30T00:35:06 < karlp> I think he knows the line isn't sinusoidal, he can see that pretty clearly :)
2016-03-30T00:35:10 < Sync> no, problems with certification because I had shit on highside
2016-03-30T00:35:17 < karlp> well, you need more.
2016-03-30T00:35:35 < karlp> you can do low voltage only certs for a device that just has a CT.
2016-03-30T00:35:46 < MightyPork> if you mean the voltage measurement, I'm absolutely not going to do that. but good thing to write into the thesis
2016-03-30T00:35:56 < kisielk> I kind of wish they had made just one library that would deal with both versions of the device
2016-03-30T00:36:05 < karlp> kisielk: you mean like.... libopencm3? ;)
2016-03-30T00:36:08 < MightyPork> also, this is no way aspiring to get certified.. likely it ends with one prototype
2016-03-30T00:36:13 < zyp> kisielk, yeah, it's not hard
2016-03-30T00:36:13 < Sync> MightyPork: why not, it'd be the proper way to do it
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2016-03-30T00:36:31 < karlp> certified bachelors project? hah, that would be nice.
2016-03-30T00:37:26 < zyp> certification sounds fun
2016-03-30T00:38:00 < zyp> if I'm ever going to sell my EV charger shit, I'm going to get to deal with that
2016-03-30T00:38:05 < karlp> they're cunts with far more power than they deserve.
2016-03-30T00:38:18 < karlp> having a bad day? hey, fuck you, now you need to put stickers on all your devices.
2016-03-30T00:38:18 < MightyPork> voltage measurement would be great, but dont think I'd make the PCB to be worth anything. I'd probably blow it all up
2016-03-30T00:38:26 < kisielk> karlp: I've looked at libopencm3 before, but it seemed like it didn't fully support all the peripherals I wanted to use
2016-03-30T00:38:26 < Sync> karlp: my bachelors stuff is probably going to be certified
2016-03-30T00:38:39 < kisielk> but I could be wrong
2016-03-30T00:38:42 < MightyPork> would need a dc-dc and some optron shite or idk what it takes
2016-03-30T00:38:58 < zyp> MightyPork, what are you making?
2016-03-30T00:39:03 < karlp> Sync: well done :) that's far far more than the regular bachelors, masters, and probably many phd projects ;)
2016-03-30T00:39:09 < ohsix> clear, my window something something not buns
2016-03-30T00:39:17 < karlp> kisielk: well, keep maintaining your own dual stacks of usb device code then :)
2016-03-30T00:39:39 < Sync> karlp: yes, but I'd also let a lot of them not pass
2016-03-30T00:39:42 < kisielk> karlp: is it possible to use just one part of the lib and use the standard peripheral library otherwie?
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2016-03-30T00:39:51 < MightyPork> zyp "degradation detector", analyzing ac current, with web interface
2016-03-30T00:39:53 < Sync> because they shouldn't be getting them if they can't do it
2016-03-30T00:40:11 < zyp> I've been looking at power measurement stuff recently, the STPM* chips looks nice
2016-03-30T00:40:18 < zyp> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/sense_power/FM1963/SC397
2016-03-30T00:40:22 < karlp> zyp: microship has some good ones too.
2016-03-30T00:40:30 < karlp> stpm are mostly all single phase though :(
2016-03-30T00:40:37 < Sync> so does analog, but the analog stuff are a pain to use
2016-03-30T00:40:39 < zyp> not STPMC1
2016-03-30T00:41:02 < karlp> maxim has some too
2016-03-30T00:41:12 < karlp> we use one of the analog ones, it's.... not ideal,
2016-03-30T00:41:15 < karlp> but works ok.
2016-03-30T00:41:31 < karlp> once you get to revision F of the datasheet that corrects all the willfully bad advice from revision E
2016-03-30T00:41:35 < zyp> I've only read the STPM docs, any pros/cons of the others wrt those?
2016-03-30T00:41:50 < karlp> haven't looked at the ST ones in detail in a while,
2016-03-30T00:42:03 < karlp> the redesign of our existing part is currently shelved.
2016-03-30T00:42:19 < zyp> I want to have power measurement in the EV charger
2016-03-30T00:42:35 < zyp> both for usage monitoring/reporting and for sanity checking
2016-03-30T00:44:13 < zyp> I'm planning features like sharing a single limited supply between multiple outlets, and to make sure everything works well I need to monitor that the devices are respecting the current limit
2016-03-30T00:44:49 < zyp> and also keep track of how much power that's actually drawn, so each outlet doesn't get allocated more than it needs
2016-03-30T00:45:19 < Sync> well, you can sample overall voltage/current and then just have a few current measurements per outlet
2016-03-30T00:45:40 < Sync> or just make a cheapshit integrated voltage and current solution and transmit that isolated
2016-03-30T00:45:54 < zyp> each outlet will have its own controller module
2016-03-30T00:45:57 < Sync> because that way you get rid of the problem to sample at the same time
2016-03-30T00:46:05 < zyp> adding a measurement chip to each is not expensive
2016-03-30T00:46:17 < Sync> yeah smallest f0 will do
2016-03-30T00:46:21 < Sync> just needs 2 adcs
2016-03-30T00:46:34 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_Robotics the picture of jordi makes him look like a villain from the star wars tng cbs tv taped universe
2016-03-30T00:46:46 < zyp> Sync, why do that and not use a dedicated chip like the STPM32?
2016-03-30T00:47:30 < Sync> yeah, that's also a possiblity
2016-03-30T00:47:52 < zyp> the controller itself will probably be f3 or small f4 or something
2016-03-30T00:53:46 < zyp> one thing that I see is common in energy measurement chips is that all the example designs are ground referencing the circuit on one of the live lines
2016-03-30T00:54:24 < Sync> yeah, why not
2016-03-30T00:55:22 < kakimir> I wonder if __adm nop nop nop __endasm; is actually by standard C
2016-03-30T00:55:28 < kakimir> *__asm
2016-03-30T00:55:35 < zyp> like, stpm32 got differential inputs, but the negative side is always tied to gnd tied to one line, with a resistor divider from the other line to positive
2016-03-30T00:55:40 < kakimir> I have not seen this before
2016-03-30T00:55:48 < TheSeven> if anything asm("nop");
2016-03-30T00:56:01 < Sync> MightyPork: how are you going to differentiate line noise from your motor noise
2016-03-30T00:56:05 < TheSeven> I guess __asm is some macro defines in some obscure header? ;)
2016-03-30T00:56:37 < zyp> it makes sense for isolated energy measurement devices, which doesn't have any other ground reference anyway
2016-03-30T00:56:39 < Sync> zyp: I suppose they do that to keep the circuit working when N fails
2016-03-30T00:56:50 < Sync> well they are made for smart meters
2016-03-30T00:56:51 < Sync> so eh
2016-03-30T00:56:55 < Sync> they are never ground referenced
2016-03-30T00:57:17 < zyp> well, the rest of the circuitry in my device will have GND tied to PE, so it'll be PE referenced
2016-03-30T00:57:44 < Sync> just isolate the energy measurement away from the rest?
2016-03-30T00:57:52 < Sync> I mean, they talk through uart or spi
2016-03-30T00:57:59 < Sync> easy enough to do
2016-03-30T00:58:01 < zyp> yes, sure
2016-03-30T00:58:07 < MightyPork> Sync: I'm not I think, didnt really give any thought to that. think it'll be a problem?
2016-03-30T00:58:16 < Sync> yes MightyPork, it will be
2016-03-30T00:58:22 < zyp> Sync, but do I really have to, when the inputs are all differential anyway?
2016-03-30T00:58:47 < Sync> yes, as neutral is != pe
2016-03-30T00:59:00 < kakimir> http://pastebin.com/g1TpNzZa see this
2016-03-30T00:59:10 < kakimir> it is in some 8051 code
2016-03-30T00:59:20 < kakimir> C
2016-03-30T00:59:46 < zyp> Sync, I know, over here it's common to not even have N
2016-03-30T01:00:11 < MightyPork> it's not standard for sure, maybe it works in armcc?
2016-03-30T01:00:20 < zyp> Sync, delta-wired three phase transformers doesn't have any neutral point, just three lines that are all on a different level from PE
2016-03-30T01:00:22 < MightyPork> I know they have some special asm syntax that doesnt work in gcc
2016-03-30T01:00:23 < TheSeven> either some weird vendor extension, or a fancy macro
2016-03-30T01:00:32 < Sync> yes, but that only works for motors and transformers zyp
2016-03-30T01:00:33 < kakimir> this is for SDCC
2016-03-30T01:00:42 < zyp> Sync, what does?
2016-03-30T01:00:46 < Sync> anything else is very yolo to run without neutral
2016-03-30T01:00:55 < zyp> uh
2016-03-30T01:01:22 < zyp> neutral in what sense?
2016-03-30T01:01:34 < Sync> neutral being connected to PE after the RCD
2016-03-30T01:01:53 < Sync> or at the substation
2016-03-30T01:01:56 < zyp> no, it doesn't work like that here
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2016-03-30T01:02:52 < Sync> so how does 3phase work over there?
2016-03-30T01:03:33 < zyp> TN distribution systems work like you say, they are usually wye-wired at the substation with PEN tied to the centerpoint
2016-03-30T01:03:48 < Sync> MightyPork: wouldn't that be the first thought when you attempt such a project?
2016-03-30T01:04:03 < zyp> in the distribution board, PE and N are split into separate conductors, making it a TN-C-S
2016-03-30T01:04:29 < MightyPork> I'm not 100% sure what you mean by line noise, tbh
2016-03-30T01:04:49 < englishman> kakimir: why not rtfm? http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0491e/BABFDCGD.html
2016-03-30T01:04:53 < zyp> which means that PE and N is on the same level, phase conductor to N is 230V, and between phase conductors there's 400V
2016-03-30T01:05:00 < Sync> your line voltage is not a pure sine, thus your current will not be a pure sine
2016-03-30T01:05:05 < englishman> oh 8051
2016-03-30T01:05:07 < englishman> which compiler
2016-03-30T01:05:17 < englishman> probably an intrinsic like above ^
2016-03-30T01:05:20 < englishman> why not ask in ##8051
2016-03-30T01:05:35 < zyp> from what I understand, most of europe is TN, norway is an exception there
2016-03-30T01:05:48 < zyp> most newer stuff in norway are TN as well, but older stuff are IT
2016-03-30T01:06:07 < MightyPork> it won't, no. Ofc if the line shape changes, detecting a change in spectrum is useless
2016-03-30T01:06:22 < MightyPork> hmm.. so is it all doomed?
2016-03-30T01:06:31 < zyp> IT is delta wired at the substation, which means that you get 230V between phase conductors and around 135V from each phase conductor to PE
2016-03-30T01:06:34 < zyp> there's no N
2016-03-30T01:06:57 < Sync> yes MightyPork
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2016-03-30T01:07:22 < MightyPork> I wonder why the prof didn't think of this
2016-03-30T01:07:33 < Sync> oh god, norway uses IT?
2016-03-30T01:07:39 < Sync> interesting.
2016-03-30T01:07:39 < zyp> most of it, yes
2016-03-30T01:08:26 < englishman> is that bad?
2016-03-30T01:08:33 < englishman> every home i know of has their own earth
2016-03-30T01:08:36 < zyp> the difference doesn't matter much when it comes to single phase, you just pick two phase conductors
2016-03-30T01:09:18 < Sync> interesting, I didn't know anybody used IT at a large scale
2016-03-30T01:09:50 < englishman> wait, theres no distribution earth at all?
2016-03-30T01:09:51 < englishman> that sounds bad
2016-03-30T01:10:29 < zyp> the engineers at Renault that made the Zoe apparently didn't think that either, because they designed the car so that it's unable to charge if it sees a voltage between N and PE
2016-03-30T01:10:34 < MightyPork> Sync: would measuring also the voltage help me at all in this regard?
2016-03-30T01:10:50 < Sync> to some degree, as you can compare the spectra
2016-03-30T01:11:00 < Sync> but probably it won't help you
2016-03-30T01:11:09 < zyp> so Renault Norway have to sell every Zoe with a isolation transformer unless the customer lives in an area with TN
2016-03-30T01:11:22 < MightyPork> that doesnt sound encouraging
2016-03-30T01:11:24 < Sync> and I can't really think of a failure that a motor has that would change the current draw
2016-03-30T01:11:24 < zyp> englishman, there is
2016-03-30T01:11:47 < Sync> haha zyp, well it is super uncommon
2016-03-30T01:11:51 < zyp> PE is usually both hooked up to local electrodes and distributed
2016-03-30T01:12:02 < MightyPork> well, it's not strictly motors. The idea was that it could also detect failing capacitors in power supplies etc. But I'm a bit doubtful that will work any good
2016-03-30T01:12:08 < zyp> it's just not tied to any windings in the transformer in any way
2016-03-30T01:12:15 < Sync> I mean the only benefit is that a single earth failure does not kill you
2016-03-30T01:12:23 < zyp> yeah
2016-03-30T01:12:37 < Sync> everything else sucks
2016-03-30T01:13:15 < Sync> MightyPork: that only works with power supplies without PFC
2016-03-30T01:13:53 < Sync> which are getting increasingly uncommon nowadays
2016-03-30T01:14:31 < Sync> I'm really unsure if you can actually tell anything from the spectra
2016-03-30T01:14:57 < Sync> because there is no way to make sure that it comes from your device
2016-03-30T01:15:20 < MightyPork> I tested it with my 3-speed fan and the speeds were much different in the spectrum, but that's a very artificial test subject
2016-03-30T01:15:49 < MightyPork> yea it all sounds pretty useless now
2016-03-30T01:16:24 < Sync> it will work in very clean networks
2016-03-30T01:16:51 < zyp> Sync, but anyway, why can't I just tie GND to PE for the measurement chip and utilize the fact that the input is differential? (L-PE)-(N-PE) should be equivalent to L-N?
2016-03-30T01:16:53 < Sync> try it when the motor control guys over there are running some tets
2016-03-30T01:17:02 < Sync> and ask them if the disc still sticks in their ceiling
2016-03-30T01:17:04 < MightyPork> I probably won't touch it again after finishing the bachelor, so if it's not perfect, that's ok. but sucks that it wont have a practical use much
2016-03-30T01:17:29 < Sync> you can probably do that in a IT network zyp
2016-03-30T01:17:32 < Sync> but uhhhh
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2016-03-30T01:18:51 < zyp> I mean, the resistor divider will cause a small leakage current, but that should be an order of magnitude lower than the trip current for RCDs and stuff
2016-03-30T01:20:56 < zyp> and it saves me from needing to supply power to two different circuits, isolated from each other
2016-03-30T01:21:06 < zyp> and bridging comms between them
2016-03-30T01:21:18 < Sync> if you are actually trying to sell that stuff, design it isolated
2016-03-30T01:22:03 < karlp> Sync: MightyPork re motor failures, we monitor a few of them, and yeah, the current goes up as bearings wear out.  depends on the motors, sure, but we definitely see failures happening from current usage only.
2016-03-30T01:22:31 < Sync> yes, but you don't need the spectra for that karlp
2016-03-30T01:22:38 < kakimir> what you need that for crt ?
2016-03-30T01:23:11 < Sync> I have a 30mA one
2016-03-30T01:23:11 < kakimir> 10mA won't kill you
2016-03-30T01:23:18 < karlp> Sync: totally, wasn't suggesting you did :)
2016-03-30T01:23:24 < kakimir> it peaks at some amps when it goes thru you
2016-03-30T01:23:35 < karlp> totally agrtee with you on not measuring spectra,
2016-03-30T01:23:44 < kakimir> and a few millisecond later it trips
2016-03-30T01:23:51 < TheSeven> nah
2016-03-30T01:23:53 < zyp> Sync, why?
2016-03-30T01:23:56 < Sync> yeah, you can see bearing failures with the current
2016-03-30T01:23:58 < MightyPork> I can calculate I_rms, so can do something with that
2016-03-30T01:24:07 < TheSeven> wouldn't ever reach amps through a human body
2016-03-30T01:24:07 < Sync> zyp: because that won't fly in tn networks imho
2016-03-30T01:24:13 < zyp> why not?
2016-03-30T01:24:32 < Sync> what happens if PE is open?
2016-03-30T01:24:48 < zyp> it's not
2016-03-30T01:24:56 < Sync> no, if it happens
2016-03-30T01:25:03 < Sync> the case would get live
2016-03-30T01:25:52 < zyp> hmm
2016-03-30T01:26:14 < Sync> and that is not an acceptable failure mode
2016-03-30T01:26:19 < TheSeven> worst thing I've had so far was two-wire supplies to lamps etc. in an old house, case of the lamp being bridged to N, and N wire failed => case live (through lamp)
2016-03-30T01:27:07 < Sync> MightyPork: that is the only thing you can do
2016-03-30T01:27:08 < TheSeven> that was over here in germany, but in a 50-60 year old building
2016-03-30T01:27:26 < MightyPork> but the academics love their FFT
2016-03-30T01:27:43 < zyp> Sync, that's a good point
2016-03-30T01:28:02 < MightyPork> okay spectrum will be for show mostly. it's nice for showing off
2016-03-30T01:28:16 < MightyPork> but its a shame .__.
2016-03-30T01:29:01 < kakimir> okay I don't understand anything about this fx2 coding
2016-03-30T01:29:14 < MightyPork> something else I can analyze on the current I've sampled?
2016-03-30T01:29:31 < kakimir> I don't undertand anything about ready lib made for it
2016-03-30T01:29:41 < MightyPork> I mean I can't just write in the thesis that the idea is wrong and can't be used
2016-03-30T01:29:46 < zyp> Sync, I'm actually thinking about adding circuitry to check whether PE is present, but I'm not sure whether that's a strict requirement according to IEC 61851
2016-03-30T01:29:46 < kakimir> maybe if I looked at it for a month
2016-03-30T01:29:55 < Sync> MightyPork: talk to your prof
2016-03-30T01:30:03 < zyp> but that wouldn't help in the situation you talk about
2016-03-30T01:30:09 < Sync> that should have been obvious
2016-03-30T01:30:23 < MightyPork> I will, ofc
2016-03-30T01:30:28 < kakimir> usb controller
2016-03-30T01:30:32 < kakimir> *micro
2016-03-30T01:30:34 < zyp> and considering this floating PE would be connected to the car, it'll make the entire car body live
2016-03-30T01:30:42 < Sync> I'm also not sure if missing pe is a failure mode they predict zyp
2016-03-30T01:30:43 < Sync> but it is one
2016-03-30T01:30:49 < Sync> and it would be fucking dangerous
2016-03-30T01:30:57 < zyp> through a 1Mohm resistor, but still bad
2016-03-30T01:31:02 < kakimir> floating PE what are happenings here?
2016-03-30T01:31:16 < zyp> so yeah, you have a point
2016-03-30T01:31:30 < kakimir> floating PE sounds very much not like PE should be
2016-03-30T01:32:15 < Sync> MightyPork: you sure can write that, there is no shame in that
2016-03-30T01:32:59 < kakimir> board?
2016-03-30T01:33:00 < Sync> zyp: I'm not sure if that is applicable to 61851 but general code
2016-03-30T01:33:07 < kakimir> we are talking about chip
2016-03-30T01:34:13 < zyp> hmm
2016-03-30T01:34:36 < zyp> looks like openevse got a similar problem
2016-03-30T01:34:44 < zyp> http://support.openevse.com/support/solutions/articles/6000052136-openevse-boots-and-displays-error-no-ground-earth-ground-
2016-03-30T01:35:11 < kakimir> fx2lp is I.C.
2016-03-30T01:35:11 < zyp> lines are connected to PE through 22k resistor and led of optoisolator
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2016-03-30T01:35:41 < Sync> yes
2016-03-30T01:35:45 < zyp> less of a problem since the lines are only live when the relays are on
2016-03-30T01:35:46 < Sync> that is probably illegal zyp
2016-03-30T01:36:03 < Sync> because the deathness of a person just depends on the 22k resistor
2016-03-30T01:36:07 < Sync> if that arcs out, GG
2016-03-30T01:36:21 < Sync> I mean, shit has to get real, but uuh
2016-03-30T01:36:30 < zyp> hmm
2016-03-30T01:36:43 < kakimir> crt: no
2016-03-30T01:36:56 < zyp> Sync, so, how would you do PE detection in a sane way?
2016-03-30T01:37:03 < zyp> that's another thing I've wondered about
2016-03-30T01:37:07 < Sync> that is a good question
2016-03-30T01:37:11 < kakimir> I bought china shiet for 5usd
2016-03-30T01:37:29 < zyp> the openevse way causes a larger leakage current than I'd like
2016-03-30T01:37:44 < kakimir> crt: it's a logic analyzer board
2016-03-30T01:38:03 < Sync> zyp: you can probably do it like they do, but using proper technique to minimize the chance of electrocution during failure
2016-03-30T01:38:32 < zyp> well, you can't really do it without drawing a current
2016-03-30T01:38:46 < zyp> and drawing a current introduces a leakage
2016-03-30T01:39:21 < Sync> yeah I mean you can probably inject a few µA
2016-03-30T01:39:25 < Sync> but hmm
2016-03-30T01:40:22 < Sync> can't you clone one of those earth leakage tester things?
2016-03-30T01:40:40 < zyp> what sort of thing?
2016-03-30T01:41:51 < Sync> ah I was dumb, nvm
2016-03-30T01:42:03 < Sync> yeah I actually have no idea how to do that safely
2016-03-30T01:42:21 < zyp> hmm
2016-03-30T01:42:47 < zyp> IEC 61851-22 have a section named «Detection of the electrical continuity of the protective conductor»
2016-03-30T01:43:09 < zyp> but buying standards like that is fucking expensive, so I don't know what it says
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2016-03-30T01:44:23 < zyp> steal it for me
2016-03-30T01:44:58 < zyp> I mean, I want that and 61851-1, grab me both while you're at it
2016-03-30T01:45:22 < Sync> I could probably walk by the standards room in the library tomorrow
2016-03-30T01:46:50 < zyp> I'm thinking about buying both, but they're kinda too expensive to just buy for a project I'm not sure I'll get around to finish :p
2016-03-30T01:46:58 < Sync> yeah
2016-03-30T01:47:18 < Sync> I wonder why nobody put the medicine on them already
2016-03-30T01:50:10 < kakimir> crt: stm32 is fukken useless as logic analyzer
2016-03-30T01:50:30 < ohsix> it doesn't make toast very well either
2016-03-30T01:50:39  * mitrax puts on his ninja suit
2016-03-30T01:51:31 < Sync> zyp: the problem I see is making sure that you don't kill the user while you measure the PE
2016-03-30T01:51:47 < Sync> and you need quite a high current to make sure it realls is there
2016-03-30T01:51:58 < kakimir> there should not be anything to measure in PE
2016-03-30T01:52:30 < kakimir> but resistance to ground or so
2016-03-30T01:52:43 < kakimir> which should be very very low
2016-03-30T01:53:21 < Sync> if you have a charging station you have to make sure pe is conductive otherwise your car could be live
2016-03-30T01:53:28 < zyp> yes
2016-03-30T01:54:01 < mitrax> zyp: http://download.unfiltered.net/zyp/iec61851-1.zip
2016-03-30T01:54:03 < kakimir> why would you not have conductive PE?
2016-03-30T01:54:05 < Sync> the standards were written for a reason, not because they felt a tingle
2016-03-30T01:54:22 < kakimir> it's also good for static discharge
2016-03-30T01:54:33 < kakimir> before main electrodes are connected
2016-03-30T01:54:37 < Sync> because the goddamn cable broke
2016-03-30T01:54:51 < zyp> mitrax, wrong revision, but thanks
2016-03-30T01:55:21 < mitrax> thought you wanted that one too
2016-03-30T01:55:57 < zyp> yes, but that 2001 revision was superseded in 2010
2016-03-30T01:55:58 < mitrax> zyp: http://download.unfiltered.net/zyp/iec61851-22.zip
2016-03-30T01:56:38 < zyp> nice, that one is still the newest
2016-03-30T01:57:46 < zyp> hmm, the section in question only says «For mode 3 charging, the a.c. electric vehicle charging station shall monitor the electrical continuity of the protective conductor to the electric vehicle. If the a.c. electric vehicle charging station detects a loss of electrical continuity of the protective conductor, the electrical supply circuit to the vehicle shall be opened.»
2016-03-30T01:57:46 < Sync> completely useless tho
2016-03-30T01:57:59 < zyp> kinda surprising
2016-03-30T01:58:07 < Sync> look at page 53 in -1
2016-03-30T01:58:12 < Sync> I suppose that is what they mean
2016-03-30T01:58:21 < Sync> and just #yolo it to see if the station is connected
2016-03-30T01:58:23 < zyp> I would have expected it to apply mainly to mode 2
2016-03-30T01:58:41 < zyp> since mode 2 is portable stuff that gets plugged into all sorts of shitty outlets
2016-03-30T01:58:52 < zyp> mode 3 is fixed installation
2016-03-30T01:58:55 < Sync> yeah
2016-03-30T01:58:57 < Sync> well
2016-03-30T01:59:06 < Sync> interesting!
2016-03-30T01:59:07 < Sync> :D
2016-03-30T01:59:40 < zyp> page 53?
2016-03-30T01:59:47 < Sync> yes
2016-03-30T01:59:58 < zyp> I nothing there about PE continuity
2016-03-30T01:59:59 < Sync> the the control pilot circuit
2016-03-30T02:00:09 < kakimir> This release supports the following platforms:
2016-03-30T02:00:10 < kakimir> - Windows 32-bit
2016-03-30T02:00:10 < kakimir> - Linux x86_64
2016-03-30T02:00:27 < kakimir> sam-ba
2016-03-30T02:00:33 < zyp> Sync, CP is for communicating current limit to car and state from car
2016-03-30T02:00:45 < Sync> equipment ground is PE imho
2016-03-30T02:00:46 < zyp> it's a PE referenced signal, has nothing to do with PE presence
2016-03-30T02:01:08 < Sync> The vehicle protective earth connection provides a return path for the control pilot current.
2016-03-30T02:01:11 < Sync> Therefore, protective earth continuity between the EVSE and the vehicle is continuously
2016-03-30T02:01:14 < Sync> verified if current flows on the pilot line.
2016-03-30T02:01:31 < zyp> yes
2016-03-30T02:01:35 < Sync> that would mean just check if there is current flowing there, just do it
2016-03-30T02:01:44 < zyp> oh, right
2016-03-30T02:01:46 < kakimir> who installs 32bit windows in 2016?
2016-03-30T02:02:08 < kakimir> and who the hell provides 32bit only software in 2016
2016-03-30T02:02:25 < ohsix> most windows software is still 32bit even on a 64bit install
2016-03-30T02:02:32 < kakimir> yes
2016-03-30T02:02:37 < zyp> well, the entire CP current loop will stop working if PE breaks between car and charger
2016-03-30T02:02:46 < ohsix> wow64 bruv
2016-03-30T02:02:59 < zyp> so that's not a concern
2016-03-30T02:02:59 < kakimir> crt: for sum weird embedded shiet?
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2016-03-30T02:03:03 < Sync> yeah zyp idk
2016-03-30T02:03:06 < kakimir> *mobile
2016-03-30T02:03:11 < Sync> the standard seems to be pretty dumb
2016-03-30T02:03:35 < zyp> okay, maybe checking PE presence between grid and charger isn't a requirement after all
2016-03-30T02:03:52 < Sync> probably not
2016-03-30T02:04:15 < zyp> I know for a fact that some chargers do, some chargers don't
2016-03-30T02:04:20 < Sync> says the 5mA rcd guy
2016-03-30T02:04:34 < Sync> well, I suspect they worry about the same thing as we do
2016-03-30T02:04:46 < Sync> customers being crisps when they touch their cars
2016-03-30T02:05:32 < zyp> mitrax, you wouldn't happen to have access to 61851-1:2010 as well?
2016-03-30T02:06:26 < mitrax> zyp: not sure, hold on
2016-03-30T02:14:34 < englishman> just dangle one of those grounding straps off the car that everyone had in 1996
2016-03-30T02:14:42 < englishman> PE success
2016-03-30T02:15:01 < ohsix> were those grounding straps?
2016-03-30T02:15:08 < ohsix> i thought they were for curb detection or something
2016-03-30T02:15:16 < Sync> or a red light on top of it to signal it is unsafe to touch
2016-03-30T02:15:18 < englishman> curb feelers are even older
2016-03-30T02:15:21 < Sync> like they have in F1 or WEC
2016-03-30T02:15:24 < ohsix> ah
2016-03-30T02:15:45 < englishman> ... Is that a thing?
2016-03-30T02:15:55 < Sync> the lights?
2016-03-30T02:15:56 < Sync> yes
2016-03-30T02:15:59 < Sync> completely dumb
2016-03-30T02:16:06 < englishman> Why would a race car be unsafe to touch?
2016-03-30T02:16:06 < zyp> I saw a car yesterday with the entire exhaust pipe/muffler shit hanging down into the road
2016-03-30T02:16:10 < zyp> driving like that
2016-03-30T02:16:15 < englishman> Lol
2016-03-30T02:16:20 < zyp> probably well grounded
2016-03-30T02:16:24 < Sync> englishman: because the hybrid battery is not disconnected
2016-03-30T02:16:27 < Sync> (hurr)
2016-03-30T02:16:28 < englishman> Just unhook muffler from your EV
2016-03-30T02:16:29 < ohsix> my brothers car has an exploded muffler and the overwrap is hanging down onto the road
2016-03-30T02:17:19 < englishman> Sync: I still don't get it? And do you mean the kers batt?
2016-03-30T02:17:26 < Sync> yes englishman
2016-03-30T02:17:37 < ohsix> englishman: what do the ground straps look like? i don't think i've seen one
2016-03-30T02:17:51 < ohsix> couldn't it just be a sharp point somewhere
2016-03-30T02:18:33 < englishman> So the car exterior has large potential to ground?
2016-03-30T02:19:02 < Sync> no :D
2016-03-30T02:19:15 < ohsix> crt: seems like a bs addon for stupid people
2016-03-30T02:19:18 < mitrax> zyp: http://download.unfiltered.net/zyp/iec61851-1_2010.zip
2016-03-30T02:19:33 < ohsix> or people that don't like getting shocked by their keys i guess
2016-03-30T02:19:34 < zyp> awesome, thanks a lot
2016-03-30T02:19:44 < mitrax> np :)
2016-03-30T02:19:57 < ohsix> i've seen curb feelers as OE, but no ground straps
2016-03-30T02:20:35 < englishman> I googld "car grounding strap" and clicked images
2016-03-30T02:20:59 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-30T02:21:19 < Sync> http://pp.bukovci.si/ interesting
2016-03-30T02:21:34 < ohsix> i guess original equipment is a sutble difference, amirite
2016-03-30T02:21:44 < ohsix> cuz people can put any old shit on their cars for stupid reasons
2016-03-30T02:22:20 < ohsix> it's kind of like asking which car had oem truck nuts
2016-03-30T02:22:28 < Sync> ohsix: actually they can't
2016-03-30T02:22:39 < Sync> at least not in germoney
2016-03-30T02:22:43 < ohsix> Sync: which car came with oem grass on it
2016-03-30T02:23:12 < englishman> zyp, how is the golf (cart)
2016-03-30T02:23:13 < Sync> they can do stuff to it sure
2016-03-30T02:23:18 < Sync> but not a huge lot
2016-03-30T02:23:35 < zyp> englishman, it's nice
2016-03-30T02:24:15 < zyp> had it for a month now, passed 2800km already
2016-03-30T02:24:24 < ohsix> it's probably not a coincidence that all the ground straps have fancy reflectors and hang off the back, kind of like truck nuts
2016-03-30T02:24:45 < englishman> time to change the oil
2016-03-30T02:24:50 < zyp> ;)
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2016-03-30T02:25:15 < zyp> drove 580km yesterday, so it's not all that useless for longer trips
2016-03-30T02:25:53 < englishman> Have you found any stm32s inside?
2016-03-30T02:25:58 < zyp> haven't looked
2016-03-30T02:26:10 < zyp> but I wouldn't be surprised
2016-03-30T02:26:19 < ohsix> heh 2800km is pretty close to wats on my bike computer at the moment
2016-03-30T02:26:35 < ohsix> oh 3500
2016-03-30T02:26:39 < Sync> zyp: how long have you spent recharging it on that trip?
2016-03-30T02:26:41 < englishman> I'll also accept stm8
2016-03-30T02:26:45 < ohsix> that's what they're called, it just has a trip meter and shit
2016-03-30T02:27:13 < ohsix> how do you express that in terms of the radius of the tire
2016-03-30T02:27:25 < ohsix> circumference
2016-03-30T02:27:31 < ohsix> me neither
2016-03-30T02:28:01 < zyp> Sync, hmm, unsure, probably in the range of 2-3 hours total, probably more than required too
2016-03-30T02:28:02 < englishman> even skydivers have trip meters, no pedals
2016-03-30T02:28:18 < Sync> k
2016-03-30T02:28:20 < Sync> so useless
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2016-03-30T02:28:45 < zyp> I found that the fast charger where I planned to stop to eat dinner was free, so it sat there charging for longer than required
2016-03-30T02:28:46 < Sync> did 800km yesterday with 120kmh avg
2016-03-30T02:29:05 < zyp> haha, can't do that in norway :)
2016-03-30T02:30:21 < zyp> you'll either run out of road rated for speeds like that or end up in sweden
2016-03-30T02:30:43 < Sync> well, I had the cruise control set at 170kmh
2016-03-30T02:30:51 < Sync> but had to do some country roads
2016-03-30T02:31:27 < ohsix> i go at a blistering 35km/h sometimes
2016-03-30T02:31:54 < ohsix> i need to switch it to km cuz the numbers are bigger ;D
2016-03-30T02:32:20 < Sync> only had to stop once to refuel for ~8min
2016-03-30T02:32:23 < englishman> 580km would maybe get me to the end of the driveway
2016-03-30T02:32:27 < Laurenceb_> 35 faps per second
2016-03-30T02:32:57 < zyp> hmm
2016-03-30T02:33:11 < zyp> 103 minutes of paid fast charging yesterday
2016-03-30T02:33:25 < zyp> plus the one that were free
2016-03-30T02:34:00 < Sync> yeah that can fuck right off to say it the dongleway
2016-03-30T02:34:52 < Sync> altough I'd drive the fuck out of a powerful kawaii keicar
2016-03-30T02:39:23 < zyp> Sync, I agree that you win on travel time, but do you wanna compare fuel cost? ;)
2016-03-30T02:39:46 < Sync> fuel cost is not important to me
2016-03-30T02:39:56 < Sync> my time is worth more than the fuel
2016-03-30T02:41:20 < zyp> idk that I'd win that comparion either, if fuel is significantly cheaper in .de than here
2016-03-30T02:42:12 < Sync> I paid around 1.25€/l yesterday
2016-03-30T02:43:02 < zyp> oh, that's pretty much the same
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2016-03-30T02:43:25 < Sync> well, it was a holiday yesterday
2016-03-30T02:43:44 < zyp> I think I saw one station here at 1.19€/l
2016-03-30T02:43:54 < Sync> for petrol, not diesel
2016-03-30T02:43:59 < zyp> which is the cheapest I've seen in ages
2016-03-30T02:44:00 < zyp> yes
2016-03-30T02:44:04 < Sync> yeah
2016-03-30T02:44:21 < zyp> how much did you use per distance driven?
2016-03-30T02:44:41 < Sync> idk, I suppose around 9l/100km
2016-03-30T02:45:56 < zyp> i.e. 11.25€/100km
2016-03-30T02:46:57 < Sync> yes
2016-03-30T02:47:25 < zyp> hmm, I think I come out to 4.08€/100km
2016-03-30T02:48:03 < Sync> yeah I could have driven slower and gotten it down to 5l/100km
2016-03-30T02:48:08 < Sync> but eh
2016-03-30T02:48:11 < zyp> yeah
2016-03-30T02:48:16 < Sync> there is no fun in that
2016-03-30T02:48:24 < zyp> fast charging is not super cheap compared to gas
2016-03-30T02:48:47 < zyp> but that's not where the real EV savings are either
2016-03-30T02:48:56 < Sync> yeah, the network here is not that good to be any useful
2016-03-30T02:49:00 < ohsix> don't they have smart meters with off peak cost
2016-03-30T02:49:06 < Lux> isn't that cost estimation missin the battery wear ?
2016-03-30T02:49:09 < zyp> fast charging here is around five times as expensive as home charging
2016-03-30T02:49:17 < ohsix> oh nm
2016-03-30T02:49:29 < zyp> Lux, sure it is, it's also missing the gasoline engine wear
2016-03-30T02:49:51 < Sync> well, you can calculate 30ct/km for all stuff
2016-03-30T02:49:57 < Lux> yeah, but an engine will last a lot longer
2016-03-30T02:50:19 < Lux> i'm pretty sure batteries won't last much longer than 5-8 years
2016-03-30T02:50:45 < zyp> heh :)
2016-03-30T02:50:50 < ohsix> based on what
2016-03-30T02:51:15 < ohsix> they have neat battery management that's kind of new for wide deployment of massive packs
2016-03-30T02:51:16 < Lux> data you can get on lithium cells
2016-03-30T02:51:31 < zyp> pretty much all new modern EVs here are sold with an 8 year warranty on the battery
2016-03-30T02:51:41 < zyp> so at least the manufacturers are pretty sure it'll last longer
2016-03-30T02:51:48 < ohsix> where's the data that models how they're actually used in cars vs. the data that actually exists on cell aging an dmodelling
2016-03-30T02:51:50 < Lux> you can probably get 10 years if they'd use lifepo4
2016-03-30T02:52:05 < Sync> I actually wonder if they managed to do that zyp
2016-03-30T02:52:12 < Sync> because shit will get deepcycled and all
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2016-03-30T02:52:37 < Lux> but yeah it's pretty hard to tell with not much data available on batteries in cars
2016-03-30T02:52:57 < Lux> i bet in a few years we'll get better estimates with real data
2016-03-30T02:53:02 < zyp> Sync, nah, there's a lot of reserved buffer space in the top and bottom to avoid that
2016-03-30T02:53:24 < ohsix> there should be reliability reports for early EVs
2016-03-30T02:53:37 < Lux> iirc cars only go up to 80% dod
2016-03-30T02:53:41 < zyp> yeah
2016-03-30T02:54:00 < Sync> well, I know I'd run my ev to the extremes
2016-03-30T02:54:14 < Sync> but yeah they are limiting the discharge
2016-03-30T02:54:28 < ohsix> why wouldn't the battery management protect them for reliability
2016-03-30T02:54:36 < zyp> the mercedes electric drive got a range extender mode, that fully charges the battery for when you really need it
2016-03-30T02:54:59 < ohsix> also maintaining average wear, so the batteries don't derate much over their life
2016-03-30T02:55:04 < zyp> but users are discouraged to use it often
2016-03-30T02:55:45 < Sync> yeah idk
2016-03-30T02:55:58 < Sync> in the end all the evs just don't fit my usage profile
2016-03-30T02:56:01 < zyp> I don't care much either way
2016-03-30T02:56:13 < Sync> they either are too slow or can't go far enough
2016-03-30T02:57:01 < zyp> like I said, my car got an 8 year warranty on the battery anyway, and I expect that the tech improves enough in that time that I'd be tempted to replace the car by then anyway
2016-03-30T02:57:13 < Sync> yeah sure
2016-03-30T02:58:15 < Sync> but I wonder what the fine print to that is
2016-03-30T02:58:34 < Sync> there is no way that they are actually warranting them for 8 years
2016-03-30T02:58:41 < zyp> there's some percentage of acceptable capacity loss
2016-03-30T03:00:47 < ohsix> it's almost like people using the batteries are assumed to not know what they're doing
2016-03-30T03:01:52 < aandrew> mitrax: can you put that IEC standard back up for a moment?
2016-03-30T03:03:36 < ohsix> hrm
2016-03-30T03:03:45 < ohsix> nothing but anecdotes about tesla battery packs, no public information
2016-03-30T03:04:34 < ohsix> these battery systems are water cooled and temperature controlled and shit too
2016-03-30T03:05:04 < zyp> tesla's are
2016-03-30T03:05:19 < zyp> but not all
2016-03-30T03:05:32 < ohsix> sure
2016-03-30T03:07:19 < ohsix> it's just the type of thing that makes them entirely different and extrapolation from readily available battery modelling and study junk isn't tenable
2016-03-30T03:08:06 < ohsix> all the car makers have done tests and stuff but they're not likely to disclose anything
2016-03-30T03:08:42 < Laurenceb_> can someone explain what "explicit"  in a c++ class header means?
2016-03-30T03:09:14 < ohsix> it means it will never be considered for automatic use
2016-03-30T03:09:15 < ReadError> Laurenceb_
2016-03-30T03:09:20 < ReadError> if im buying something from the UK
2016-03-30T03:09:22 < ohsix> gotta call it specifically by name
2016-03-30T03:09:24 < ReadError> and its like VAT INCLUDED
2016-03-30T03:09:27 < Sync> aandrew: nothing of interest in there, really
2016-03-30T03:09:28 < ReadError> but im in the USA
2016-03-30T03:09:33 < Sync> just dumb blabbing
2016-03-30T03:09:33 < ReadError> do they take 20% off?
2016-03-30T03:10:28 < Laurenceb_> ReadError: no vat on exports
2016-03-30T03:10:32 < Laurenceb_> so 20% off
2016-03-30T03:10:35 < ReadError> oh word
2016-03-30T03:10:39 < ReadError> that helps a bunch then thx
2016-03-30T03:11:32 < ohsix> http://www.msr-waypoint.com/en-us/um/people/jckrumm/Publications%202012/2012-01-0489%20SAE%20published.pdf
2016-03-30T03:11:48 < zyp> 17% off, if VAT is 20%
2016-03-30T03:11:52 < ohsix> 'how people use their vehicles: statistics from the 2009 national household travel survey'
2016-03-30T03:12:02 < ReadError> yea says 20% VAT included
2016-03-30T03:12:06 < ohsix> not what i was looking for but is interesting / data on real driving behaviour
2016-03-30T03:12:20 < Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/CVXwmb0S
2016-03-30T03:12:52 < Laurenceb_> any idea why line 13 is an error?
2016-03-30T03:13:10 < Laurenceb_> fileselectdialog.h:13: error: new types may not be defined in a return type
2016-03-30T03:14:31 < zyp> no ; on line 33 perhaps?
2016-03-30T03:14:43 < Laurenceb_> lol I fail
2016-03-30T03:14:44 < Laurenceb_> thanks
2016-03-30T03:15:04 < Laurenceb_> was staring at the wrong line
2016-03-30T03:15:11 < zyp> that's the kind of shit clang is supposed to report better on than gcc
2016-03-30T03:18:11 < ohsix> heh @ ev battery testing systems, 1000V +/-2400A
2016-03-30T03:20:11 < Sync> http://dobixx.webd.pl/feltcasefactory/foto/adapter/v1.JPG nice
2016-03-30T03:20:21 < Sync> insulate that heatsource very good!
2016-03-30T03:20:24 < ohsix> there's a lot of energy you might have to get rid of if you service or test these things, i wonder if some of them are grid tied to put power back on there :p
2016-03-30T03:20:26 < Sync> because that is what it needs
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2016-03-30T03:24:00 < ohsix> hm
2016-03-30T03:24:14 < ohsix> the tesla uses nickel cobalt aluminum cathode junk
2016-03-30T03:24:49 < ohsix> lower cycles higher specific energy
2016-03-30T03:26:27 < ohsix> was hoping i could find something meaningful for these applications but that is going to make it even harder
2016-03-30T03:27:29 < ohsix> i bet those dumb artech house books on battery management and electronic vehicles that nobody pirates has citations :[
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2016-03-30T04:28:31 < dongs> Sync: got, 3.6/ea or so around
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2016-03-30T04:34:44 < englishman> found zyps fast volkswagen  charger https://youtu.be/UE0YuuR9-F0
2016-03-30T04:37:29 < kakimir> weak neutral wire?
2016-03-30T04:37:38 < kakimir> is it a thing?
2016-03-30T04:40:33 < kakimir> if you load all phases evenly the neutral wire should like.. not be that much loaded
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2016-03-30T04:45:08 < upgrdman> noob question: if multiple shits are sharing a jtag bus, are they all just wires in parallel?
2016-03-30T04:45:12 < kakimir> with pure ohmic load shouldn't neutral wire be 0?
2016-03-30T04:45:15 < upgrdman> wired*
2016-03-30T04:45:41 < kakimir> no
2016-03-30T04:45:42 < dongs> upgrdman: TDI->TDO
2016-03-30T04:45:45 < dongs> the rest in paralell
2016-03-30T04:46:04 < Thorn> upgrdman: google jtag chain
2016-03-30T04:46:04 < dongs> look at some xilinx/etc schema where tehy have platform flash and fpga on same chain
2016-03-30T04:46:07 < kakimir> chain like that
2016-03-30T04:46:12 < upgrdman> k thx
2016-03-30T04:46:17 < upgrdman> k
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2016-03-30T04:52:49 < ohsix> http://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/7/9/5675/pdf
2016-03-30T04:53:18 < ohsix> not exactly data but you can usually infer the stuff that matters from people that know how to model them
2016-03-30T04:55:05 < PeterM> kakimir, the neutral wire is connected to earth at the power post and at the premisis, and it uninsulated steel wire since it carries very little current, generally none. it is used to physically hole the other wires in the air. i assume the "weak neutral wire" was physically weak, snapping and allowing all the phase wires to fall and stretch, either snapping or stretchign insulation etc
2016-03-30T04:56:52 < dongs> Sync: beeap
2016-03-30T04:59:19 < kakimir> I bet someone had some machine driven to it
2016-03-30T04:59:27 < ohsix> sup dongs
2016-03-30T04:59:50 < kakimir> truck, excavator or so
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2016-03-30T07:02:21 < wbraun> I am trying to switch to openOCD from st-util and having some issues
2016-03-30T07:04:15 < ohsix> what issues?
2016-03-30T07:04:58 < ohsix> i had a problem with um, flash flags; had to use st-util to clear it and couldn't program the part, and something else with the default config that comes with openocd but i don't remember the details
2016-03-30T07:08:18 < wbraun> I can not get openOCD to connect to the adaptor
2016-03-30T07:08:42 < wbraun> I have a STM32F0 discovery board
2016-03-30T07:09:16 < wbraun> so I should be able to test things out with “openocd -f /board/stm32f0discovery.cfg”
2016-03-30T07:09:56 < wbraun> or as I do not think I modified my udev/rules I launch it with sudo
2016-03-30T07:10:11 < wbraun> but its erroring out and saying open failed
2016-03-30T07:10:29 < ohsix> probably have to verify that first
2016-03-30T07:11:00 < ohsix> just strace or something, or check permissions for the usb device; openocd comes with some rules you can drop in but i think i had to modify them as late as last year
2016-03-30T07:12:16 < wbraun> if I launch it with sudo it should be fine?
2016-03-30T07:12:23 < wbraun> that was the case with st-util
2016-03-30T07:12:38 < ohsix> seems easy to just try
2016-03-30T07:12:47 < ohsix> they access the same usb device
2016-03-30T07:13:04 < wbraun> it works it st-util
2016-03-30T07:13:05 < ohsix> st-util wouldn't have needed root if it could open the device (via the udev rules or Other(TM))
2016-03-30T07:13:19 < wbraun> so I think I am doing something else wrong with openocd?
2016-03-30T07:13:47 < ohsix> openocd is only going to need root to open the jtag/swd adapter
2016-03-30T07:13:57 < ohsix> _if_ it can't because of udev rules
2016-03-30T07:16:37 < ohsix> http://repo.or.cz/openocd.git/blob/HEAD:/contrib/99-openocd.rules this should be installed automatically in most cases, but if you're building from source you probably need to copy it manually
2016-03-30T07:18:24 < ohsix> ah hm yea that rule file is bullshit
2016-03-30T07:18:29 < ohsix> you don't use plugdev anymore
2016-03-30T07:18:51 < ohsix> it's a group that only existed on ubuntu
2016-03-30T07:19:26 < ohsix> s/GROUP="plugdev"/TAG+="uaccess"/g
2016-03-30T07:20:20 < wbraun> should the basic command I gave work?
2016-03-30T07:20:24 < wbraun> or is it not enough
2016-03-30T07:20:38 < wbraun> its from the first page of some documentation I was looking at
2016-03-30T07:20:50 < ohsix> i think the board files for the discovery boards do work
2016-03-30T07:21:34 < ohsix> i had to use more than one script for what i was doing, cuz i had a jlink2 clone or something and a board that had an m0 swd on it
2016-03-30T07:21:57 < ohsix> if i made a board script for it, it would just do those two things for me as a set, which is afair the discovery boardfiles do
2016-03-30T07:23:47 < ohsix> yep, that loads interface/stlink-v2 and target/stm32f0x for you
2016-03-30T07:24:32 < wbraun> the the command fails the same if the discovery is plugged in or not
2016-03-30T07:24:45 < wbraun> Error: open failed
2016-03-30T07:24:56 < wbraun> in procedure ‘transport’
2016-03-30T07:25:03 < wbraun> in procedure ‘init’
2016-03-30T07:25:10 < wbraun> so something seems to be very wrong
2016-03-30T07:25:12 < ohsix> probably have to provide a full path for the board cfg
2016-03-30T07:25:24 < ohsix> since the file isn't in / root /board
2016-03-30T07:27:30 < wbraun> I tried removing the name of the file / altering the name of the file and it gave a different error message
2016-03-30T07:27:41 < wbraun> so I think its finding the file?
2016-03-30T07:27:55 < wbraun> but just in case, where actually are these files / whats the path?
2016-03-30T07:28:01 < ohsix> k
2016-03-30T07:28:03 < wbraun> I tried to find them and could not
2016-03-30T07:28:20 < ohsix> so transport is going to be your interface which is the stlink-v2, you're back to the udev/permission problems again
2016-03-30T07:29:22 < ohsix> http://repo.or.cz/openocd.git/blob/HEAD:/tcl/interface/stlink-v2.cfg
2016-03-30T07:29:45 < ohsix> that'll try and go on to open the usb device with that vid/pid
2016-03-30T07:36:15 < wbraun> that gave me an error
2016-03-30T07:36:18 < wbraun> different error
2016-03-30T07:36:37 < wbraun> “sessions transport is not selected”
2016-03-30T07:36:53 < wbraun> sudo openocd -f foo.cfg
2016-03-30T07:36:54 < ohsix> k you're close to having it figured out anyways, openocd is a bit confusing with the example configuration files
2016-03-30T07:36:54 < wbraun> right?
2016-03-30T07:37:07 < ohsix> yea, assuming udev/permissions aren't setup right
2016-03-30T07:37:15 < ohsix> oh hang on
2016-03-30T07:37:20 < ohsix> i have a discovery board here i can check it out
2016-03-30T07:37:24 < wbraun> “error: session’s transport is not selected"
2016-03-30T07:37:30 < ohsix> it's not the f0 one but it should be close enough
2016-03-30T07:38:41 < ohsix>  hm this is an mbed one
2016-03-30T07:40:56 < wbraun> looking at the USB devices with lsusb
2016-03-30T07:41:57 < wbraun> its “0483:374b” STMicroelectronics ST-LINK/V2.1 (Nucleo-F103RB)
2016-03-30T07:42:35 < ohsix> k yea mine just worked
2016-03-30T07:43:09 < ohsix> i have openocd installed from the repos, i go to /usr/share/openocd/scripts and do sudo openocd -f board/st_nucleo_f4.cfg and it works
2016-03-30T07:43:24 < ohsix> without sudo the error message is very clear, it's from libusb and it can't access the device
2016-03-30T07:43:27 < wbraun> it looks like the PID does not match the Stlink
2016-03-30T07:43:40 < ohsix> is it a legit device and just the board?
2016-03-30T07:44:12 < ohsix> there is a board/st_nucleo_f3.cfg
2016-03-30T07:44:18 < ohsix> try that, it uses stlink-v2-1
2016-03-30T07:45:10 < ohsix> :| i know someone was just talking about how cool it was to use openocd across the network but i forgot that i can in a lame way; i can put a new stack on the little shitbox i can connect it to and i should be
2016-03-30T07:45:37 < wbraun> I do not see that one in /board
2016-03-30T07:45:48 < wbraun> prehaps the version from the ubuntu PPA is old?
2016-03-30T07:48:05 < wbraun> so it looks like I need to make this from source or something?
2016-03-30T07:48:09 < ohsix> is that' what you're using?
2016-03-30T07:48:15 < wbraun> this is so typical of my STM32 experiences....
2016-03-30T07:48:25 < ohsix> the version in the main repos was new enough for what i was doing, i didn't need to use a ppa
2016-03-30T07:48:42 < ohsix> the one i'm currently using is just current from fedora 23 repos
2016-03-30T07:49:01 < ohsix> you don't have any board/st_nucleo_*.cfg files?
2016-03-30T07:49:21 < wbraun> nope, only STM*
2016-03-30T07:49:46 < ohsix> which version of openocd, i think they've been in there for a really long time
2016-03-30T07:50:05 < ohsix> the one i'm using is 0.9.0
2016-03-30T07:50:51 < wbraun> 0.7.0
2016-03-30T07:50:52 < wbraun> :/
2016-03-30T07:50:55 < wbraun> is there a ppa?
2016-03-30T07:51:11 < ohsix> http://repo.or.cz/openocd.git/commit/be97da76abdba80a8e67d9c2e893bdbd32565887
2016-03-30T07:51:13 < ohsix> well then
2016-03-30T07:51:35 < ohsix> no idea, probably should just build it yourself at this point
2016-03-30T07:51:38 < wbraun> yep, thats the other board I am testing with -.-
2016-03-30T07:51:40 < ohsix> which ubuntu version?
2016-03-30T07:53:07 < ohsix> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openocd untrusted sources are at the bottom (ppas) but it looks like wily/xenial is up to date
2016-03-30T07:53:32 < ohsix> openocd isn't a complicated package, you can probably just use the .deb from wily on even a really old install of ubuntu
2016-03-30T07:54:45 < ohsix> heh :<
2016-03-30T07:55:14 < wbraun> what are the different verions listed on that page / why do I have the old package?
2016-03-30T07:55:36 < ohsix> it will be based on the version of ubuntu you're running / and i have no idea
2016-03-30T07:55:42 < wbraun> -.-
2016-03-30T07:55:54 < wbraun> is there any easy way to fetch the new package?
2016-03-30T07:56:04 < ohsix> yea you can do it from that page
2016-03-30T07:56:23 < ohsix> click on the arrow that points to the right under wily werewolf
2016-03-30T07:56:32 < ohsix> find build that matches the arch fo your install
2016-03-30T07:56:55 < ohsix> click, built files on that next page will have a .deb
2016-03-30T08:00:36 < wbraun> bleh, some dependancy crap
2016-03-30T08:00:48 < wbraun> I will have to try to build from source tomorrow or something
2016-03-30T08:00:54 < wbraun> thanks for the help though!
2016-03-30T08:00:59 < wbraun> hopfully it will work
2016-03-30T08:01:02 < ohsix> it will
2016-03-30T08:01:04 < ohsix> :p
2016-03-30T08:01:15 < ohsix> the config files were the most confusing thing about openocd
2016-03-30T08:01:33 < ohsix> if they wrote the documentation talking about interface/transport/device i would have known what i needed to when it didn't work for me
2016-03-30T08:01:49 < wbraun> I should just buy a black magic probe
2016-03-30T08:01:54 < ohsix> but, weigh that against just working for a lot of people, i dunno
2016-03-30T08:02:00 < wbraun> hardware and has a GDB port
2016-03-30T08:02:02 < ohsix> it's all the same in the end really
2016-03-30T08:02:04 < ohsix> right
2016-03-30T08:02:15 < wbraun> I am tired of wasting all my time chasing down weird stuff like this
2016-03-30T08:02:19 < ohsix> i was using openocd to flash/reset mine
2016-03-30T08:02:29 < ohsix> openocd can do a lot of stuff
2016-03-30T08:02:48 < wbraun> as I might be moving to openocd I might as well buy a better jtag device
2016-03-30T08:03:08 < wbraun> what are the counterfet ones everyone buys off ebay called?
2016-03-30T08:03:11 < ohsix> something like bmp providing a gdb port probably does too but i'd probably ditch it for openocd if it didn't do some trivial thing i needed
2016-03-30T08:03:20 < ohsix> just 'jlink' clone
2016-03-30T08:03:21 < ohsix> er stlink
2016-03-30T08:03:32 < ohsix> you have a real stlink on your discovery board
2016-03-30T08:03:42 < ohsix> you just have to move some jumpers and you can use it with other swd devices
2016-03-30T08:04:50 < wbraun> Its not very reliable
2016-03-30T08:05:00 < wbraun> It cuts out some times
2016-03-30T08:05:11 < ohsix> hm, weird
2016-03-30T08:05:15 < wbraun> I jlink clone is ~ $20 so I might as well buy one
2016-03-30T08:05:17 < ohsix> should be as reliable as any other stlink
2016-03-30T08:05:25 < ohsix> sec i'll get you a listing for one i have
2016-03-30T08:06:07 < ohsix> er well, i don't have this one in this case but it's the same thing http://www.ebay.com/itm/ST-Link-V2-Shell-STM8-STM32-Emulator-Downloader-Programming-Debugger-Unit-/371295635365?hash=item5672f1c7a5:g:48wAAOSwPhdVG67z
2016-03-30T08:06:43 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DZ399-1pcs-St-link-v2-stm8-stm32-artificial-device-programmer-stlink-/131264166296?hash=item1e8ff43998:g:1xMAAOSw7NNT5Jaa i have this one cuz i wanted the pins to stick up for retarded reasons :<
2016-03-30T08:07:08 < ohsix> it's the same thing that's on the nucleo boards
2016-03-30T08:09:45 < wbraun> jlink works with other things though
2016-03-30T08:10:09 < ohsix> ah right
2016-03-30T08:10:27 < ohsix> just thinking of swd/swim since that's on all the arm junk i'm interested in
2016-03-30T08:10:48  * wbraun > bed 
2016-03-30T08:10:51 < wbraun> thanks for the help
2016-03-30T08:11:39 < ohsix> the real big stlink you can get from st does jtag, just some extra pins; maybe not even extra pins
2016-03-30T08:11:42 < ohsix> np, cya
2016-03-30T08:12:12 < ohsix> http://www.support.code-red-tech.com/CodeRedWiki/HardwareDebugConnections?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=cortexDebugETM_20pin.png
2016-03-30T08:12:54 < ohsix> er wtf that's something else; http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/mcb1700/mcb1700_cortex_debug_plus_jtag.png
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2016-03-30T08:20:45 < ohsix> wbraun: might be the altera usb blaster, the clone cheap name
2016-03-30T08:35:43 < ohsix> http://www.bikeshophub.com/contentimage/large/2008/07/img_54161.jpg wut
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2016-03-30T08:45:14 < upgrdman> in altidongs schematics, if there's a named net, is there an easy way to find out where it goes?
2016-03-30T08:45:44 < ohsix> is there a node view popup or a way to see the netlist, don't use altium but that's what i'd look for :<
2016-03-30T08:45:55 < PeterM> find similar > wire > same net
2016-03-30T08:46:16 < dongs> upgrdman: ctrl+click
2016-03-30T08:47:29 < dongs> er no alt click
2016-03-30T08:48:20 < ohsix> crt: my cat would do that if it was looking at bugs
2016-03-30T08:49:30 < ohsix> werdup
2016-03-30T08:49:43 < ohsix> some junk on google about big cats mimicing some prey that way
2016-03-30T08:50:36 < ohsix> that's as excited as cats get i guess
2016-03-30T08:50:44 < ohsix> it's like a dog really flipping out
2016-03-30T08:50:52 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaiR14JQlOU
2016-03-30T08:52:48 < ohsix> my cat is r i p like woah, i should have gotten another one, they're nice to have around
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2016-03-30T09:02:01 < ohsix> junior bacon cheeseburgers
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2016-03-30T09:24:24 < Sync> dongs: noice
2016-03-30T09:25:46 < Sync> I'd do that for 50
2016-03-30T09:33:15 < PeterM> crt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmOTpIVxji8
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2016-03-30T09:36:31 < PeterM> nm
2016-03-30T09:36:41 < PeterM> just bloggin
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2016-03-30T09:51:12 < PeterM> 0 cool stuff today
2016-03-30T09:52:38 < ohsix> what happens on a cool day
2016-03-30T09:52:41 < ohsix> or what is the cool stuff
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2016-03-30T10:14:15 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5jvUXij7nU
2016-03-30T10:25:00 < qyx> karlp: no, I just did a stm32f107 ethernet temperature monitor
2016-03-30T10:25:25 < qyx> gxti has a stm32f107 ethernet GPS NTP server
2016-03-30T10:25:54 < qyx> iirc zyp is doing something with power 3 phase metering
2016-03-30T10:26:00 < qyx> *3 phase power metering
2016-03-30T10:26:49 < zyp> qyx, short term I'm mainly caring about single phase
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2016-03-30T10:44:01 < PeterM> zyp i was thinking about your problem with detecting if PE is present, could you measure current flow between L nad PE but also clamp PE within say 20v of N, so if there is no PE present, it wouldnt float up to 230v, only like 20v~, and if you detect 20v on PE you jsut turn off charger?
2016-03-30T10:45:54 < PeterM> and if L and N are swapped, since it clamps to 20v, it will trip overcurrent
2016-03-30T10:45:55 < qyx> a RCD killing charger
2016-03-30T10:46:11 < qyx> heh
2016-03-30T10:46:58 < PeterM> qyx, erm RCD is for liek 30ma, you only need like 20uA for a decent reading
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2016-03-30T10:54:33 < zyp> PeterM, that doesn't work in IT networks, since there's no N at the same level as PE
2016-03-30T10:55:17 < PeterM> ahh
2016-03-30T10:58:49 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthing_system#IT_network
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2016-03-30T11:15:59 < PeterM> zyp i dont think  it is possible to detect a missing PE connection practically in an IT system
2016-03-30T11:16:42 < PeterM> there will always be some edge cases where it wont work
2016-03-30T11:17:50 < jpa-> zyp: couldn't you just take the average of phase voltages using resistor divider, and then measure against that?
2016-03-30T11:18:46 < PeterM> jpa-, no, because the distribution system is floating, so it could be at pe+ 10kv due to capacitive effects for all oyu know
2016-03-30T11:19:11 < PeterM> it seems pretty safe, you need a double fault for any real harm
2016-03-30T11:19:13 < zyp> haha, no
2016-03-30T11:19:24 < jpa-> PeterM: hmm, yeah, seems to say so
2016-03-30T11:21:28 < zyp> there's enough coupling (inductive, capacitive) to keep it centered between the phase conductors, unless there's a fault
2016-03-30T11:21:42 < zyp> a single fault will easily trip a 30mA RCD
2016-03-30T11:21:45 < PeterM> how much end-end connectivity do you have? could stick a 1khz 1vp-p on the earth and detect it at the other end
2016-03-30T11:22:24 < zyp> none
2016-03-30T11:22:29 < zyp> but eh
2016-03-30T11:22:47 < zyp> the standards doesn't seem to require it
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2016-03-30T11:24:55 < zyp> and I'm targetting fixed installations and semiportable setups hooked to industrial outlets, not "plug into any random outlet" setups, so it's reasonable to assume PE is present
2016-03-30T11:26:01 < PeterM> i wonder if you  went outside, hammered a long  bit of coppe rod into the ground a meter or two and hooked it to a phase with some big chunky wire could you kill someone (aside from yourself)
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2016-03-30T11:28:55 < zyp> unlikely
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2016-03-30T11:54:16 < dongs> Sync: sure.
2016-03-30T11:54:24 < dongs> just lemme know, can ship directly to your scamplace.
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2016-03-30T12:01:00 < Sync> kk dongs
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2016-03-30T12:13:44 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Produce-gerber-file-for-PCB/
2016-03-30T12:13:54 < dongs> cheaper to just buy raspberrypi + relay shield????
2016-03-30T12:14:00 < dongs> or arduino or anything
2016-03-30T12:14:59 < dongs> We have a small electronics project.Our schematic is ready.We have placed components on the board at required location.Your task is to just do the Layout/Routing of the board.Project is in eagle cad. Dont expect hundreds of dollars coz Its a quick project for one experienced in Eagle
2016-03-30T12:15:22 < ohsix> relay boards are like a dollar
2016-03-30T12:15:35 < ohsix> with purportedly '20a' capacity, 2 of them, ttl input
2016-03-30T12:15:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/TpIzzmA.jpg
2016-03-30T12:15:57 < dongs> this is his current device
2016-03-30T12:16:08 < dongs> i dont even
2016-03-30T12:16:29 < dongs> i think its a mechanical delay circuit?
2016-03-30T12:17:06 < dongs> i see a magnet and reed
2016-03-30T12:17:27 < ohsix> that's interesting
2016-03-30T12:17:36 < ohsix> it just brings a weight up and stops
2016-03-30T12:18:01 < ohsix> wonder wat it comes from, it's well made for such a thing
2016-03-30T12:18:10 < ohsix> ahh
2016-03-30T12:18:16 < ohsix> it opens greenhouse vents or slides or something
2016-03-30T12:18:39 < dongs> http://www.axt-electronic.eu/
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2016-03-30T12:18:47 < ohsix> do i have to log in to see the juicy stuff
2016-03-30T12:20:04 < dongs> AXT-electronic has a 30-year track record of manufacturing electronic products designed to facilitate the keeping of small domestic animals. Today, it is the world’s leader in vertical slide gate opening and closing devices for poultry houses (henhouses, chicken houses, chicken coops, pop hole openers)
2016-03-30T12:20:13 < dongs> not hard to be a leader when you're the onyl one
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2016-03-30T12:25:39 < ohsix> yea but that's kind of cool
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2016-03-30T12:25:58 < ohsix> it's something people really need but too uninteresting or too small a scale for a lot of people to be doing it
2016-03-30T12:26:25 < dongs> http://www.axt-electronic.org/eu_shop/en/shop/vsb/280/vsbb-elektronischer-pfoertner-mit-batterien?c=38
2016-03-30T12:26:29 < dongs> so that thing costs 106 eur
2016-03-30T12:26:44 < ohsix> the tension stop is neat
2016-03-30T12:26:47 < dongs> he wants to clone it in china for up to 250gbp
2016-03-30T12:26:57 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-30T12:27:02 < ohsix> that might be wworth doing
2016-03-30T12:27:13 < ohsix> since it's just some reed switches
2016-03-30T12:27:18 < ohsix> the mechanical stuff is the hard part
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2016-03-30T13:53:38 < karlp> qyx: ahh, gxti I think also had the power meter, thanks for reminding me of that nick
2016-03-30T13:56:31 < dongs> fuckin silabs
2016-03-30T13:56:48 < dongs> Sorry due to the wafer issue, the demod sample should postpone to 4/ 29.
2016-03-30T13:56:57 < dongs> might as well postpone it to 4/20
2016-03-30T13:57:26 < Sync> > wafer issue
2016-03-30T14:24:46 < dongs> Hi guys,
2016-03-30T14:24:46 < dongs> I'm looking for a genius in C, and C++ Programming to do some work. See the file and then contact me. Also if you put a price please stay with it.**DO NOT WAST MY TIME
2016-03-30T14:24:49 < dongs> I only need pro to work with **The programming should be on Microsoft visual Studio2010
2016-03-30T14:27:07 < dongs>  i have server file for online game 3d for PC i want to complete missing thing at it but i dont have source for client
2016-03-30T14:27:11 < dongs>             ( c++ ) i just have client so we use Ida pro or any programmed to extract data from it by make Reverse Engineering then
2016-03-30T14:27:14 < dongs>             code it to server file ( c# ) and i have some assets file like ( full game list item ..skills ...monster ...npc code
2016-03-30T14:27:18 < dongs>             and game master console list )
2016-03-30T14:27:25 < dongs> ya, ok
2016-03-30T14:36:16 < mitrax> of course
2016-03-30T14:40:44 < dongs> https://medium.com/@21/ping21-earn-bitcoin-by-monitoring-uptime-and-latency-807f212509f4#.ue8rmpwgg
2016-03-30T14:40:47 < dongs> lol
2016-03-30T14:44:49 < karlp> wow, mbed api is teh suck http://blog.mbed.com/post/137808406402/a-disco-effect-looping-and-wait-in-mbed-os?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRoluKzJZKXonjHpfsX%2F7%2B8sULHr08Yy0EZ5VunJEUWy3IYFSdQ%2FcOedCQkZHblFnV8JSK2mXbgNrq0F
2016-03-30T14:45:37 < dongs> whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
2016-03-30T14:45:42 < BrainDamage> freecancer
2016-03-30T14:46:07 < dongs> karlp: that cant be for real
2016-03-30T14:46:14 < dongs> is tehre no fucking timer.attach() or somethign
2016-03-30T14:50:13 < karlp> tell me about it
2016-03-30T14:50:43 < lorenzo> minar::Scheduler::postCallback(fp.bind(turns_left - 1, delay_ms)).delay(minar::milliseconds(delay_ms));
2016-03-30T14:50:44 < lorenzo> eh?
2016-03-30T14:51:17 < lorenzo> :(
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2016-03-30T14:51:58 < dongs> whatever that is, it can fuck right off
2016-03-30T14:52:13 < lorenzo> mbed os
2016-03-30T14:53:50 < mitrax> fucking fartfs lib doesn't want to open subdirs wtf
2016-03-30T14:54:06 < jpa-> because you fail
2016-03-30T14:54:07 < dongs> u doin wrong
2016-03-30T14:54:10 < dongs> ^
2016-03-30T14:54:30 < dongs> role your own
2016-03-30T14:54:59 < mitrax> well i'm doing something wrong that's for sure, question is, what, seems like it doesn't like the 0:/subdir/ path
2016-03-30T14:55:09 < dongs> ...
2016-03-30T14:55:11 < dongs> do you even fat
2016-03-30T14:55:15 < dongs> its 0:\faggot\
2016-03-30T14:55:16 < dongs> not /
2016-03-30T14:55:20 < dongs>  / is lunix trash
2016-03-30T14:55:51 < jpa-> (dunno if it actually cares, i don't use subdirectories ;)
2016-03-30T14:55:52 < mitrax> \ or / is not relevant to the FS, and the lib itself add a / suffix to the volume name
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2016-03-30T14:56:31 < mitrax> i went for backslash first, then noticed it created the drive  letter with a slash
2016-03-30T14:59:43 < mitrax> ah... it doesn't want a slash or backslash at the end, stupid... 0:/ works as argument, but 0:/subdir/ doesn't, has to be 0:/subdir
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2016-03-30T15:15:55 < PeterM> what is a milo kunis?
2016-03-30T15:16:09 < mitrax> some hot chick apparently
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2016-03-30T15:24:17 < qyx> PeterM: btw the inverter.. I cannot come up with a single stage switching topology for AC-AC conversion
2016-03-30T15:25:06 < qyx> It can be done as you siggested - full wave rectifier + half bridge inverter, that is 4 switches, but high voltage
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2016-03-30T15:45:55 < mitrax> weird... i get garbage as name & size when enumerating the content of certain directories, some are perfectely fine, with long filenames and all, and other just random garbage
2016-03-30T15:47:38 < zyp> fsck that
2016-03-30T15:49:48 < mitrax> i would if i had a micro SD to sd adapter to plug on the computer, it's the microsd of my android phone though, which reads those directories fine
2016-03-30T15:50:59 < mitrax> oh
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2016-03-30T15:53:18 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/Develop-IMU-card-for-USB/
2016-03-30T15:53:42 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/hikmettekin.html
2016-03-30T15:54:23 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/AutoCAD/ELECTRICAL-SWITCHBOARD-DESIGN-MUST/ sup crt
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2016-03-30T16:09:19 < PeterM> qyx yeah, i think primary side hbridge because at 48-56v you need as low rDSon as you can get, and if you go 2 switch, you need 2x rated voltage or 2x the current neither are good. then on the secondary you could go split supply rectifier and then IGBT inverter, so 2 diodes and 2 switches on the secondary or you could go centre tapped secondary 2 diodes for full wave rectification, and then full bridge mosfet inverter on the output
2016-03-30T16:09:33 < PeterM> or igbts there too
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2016-03-30T16:20:45 < PeterM> are you rooting for GaN fets or somethign flyback?
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2016-03-30T16:24:44 < qyx> http://www.powerguru.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/The-drawings-demystify-the-full-bridge-phase-shift-principle.jpg
2016-03-30T16:25:01 < dongs> qyx, you freelancin?
2016-03-30T16:25:02 < qyx> I am using this, but somehow he regulation works only between 0-90°
2016-03-30T16:25:23 < qyx> going from 90 to 180° doesn't change much
2016-03-30T16:25:52 < qyx> dongs: no, just diying for myself
2016-03-30T16:29:54 < kakimir> I got my bricked jlink clone conneceted in right mode now when I use lunix machine
2016-03-30T16:30:05 < kakimir> but this lunix sam-ba is some crap
2016-03-30T16:30:48 < kakimir> you need to write scripts for it
2016-03-30T16:37:17 < PeterM> qyx i'd love to help but atm too stoned to think of anything that isn't instinct based
2016-03-30T16:47:48 < kakimir> they do not include configs but for 3 different chips
2016-03-30T16:54:58 < kakimir> because you want to write your of shiet
2016-03-30T16:57:58 < kakimir> what is this samba... where is all the nice GUI
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2016-03-30T16:58:45 < dongs> apparentl you raent even supposed to use samba in 2016
2016-03-30T16:59:00 < kakimir> what is the recoomend
2016-03-30T17:00:51 < dongs> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-user-share/3.8/gnome-user-share.html
2016-03-30T17:01:04 < dongs> webdav/mdns
2016-03-30T17:01:12 < kakimir> I talk about sam-ba
2016-03-30T17:01:13 < mitrax> he means sam-ba not samba / SBM
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2016-03-30T17:01:17 < mitrax> err SMB
2016-03-30T17:01:52 < dongs> sounds liek fagmel
2016-03-30T17:02:21 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-30T17:02:30 < kakimir> let's see crash magix
2016-03-30T17:03:44 < kakimir> it's nxp
2016-03-30T17:03:57 < kakimir> then sam-ba 2.16 old version
2016-03-30T17:05:03 < mitrax> cock
2016-03-30T17:06:34 < kakimir> cock it works
2016-03-30T17:06:46 < kakimir> why did they ruine it
2016-03-30T17:07:36 < kakimir> it has graphical dialog and shiet
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2016-03-30T17:12:13 < kakimir> nice one done one left
2016-03-30T17:32:39 < kakimir> one done one left?
2016-03-30T17:32:44 < kakimir> I don't understand
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2016-03-30T18:02:24 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Electronics-Project-with-PIC/ ivan spotted
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2016-03-30T18:42:15 < dongs> what frequency does systick run at
2016-03-30T18:42:18 < dongs> isnt it 72?
2016-03-30T18:42:19 < dongs> on F1
2016-03-30T18:47:20 < dongs> k
2016-03-30T18:47:20 < dongs> it is
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2016-03-30T18:48:46 < jpa-> hclk
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2016-03-30T19:03:57 < kakimir> 3d plane with cc3d on board
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2016-03-30T19:04:26 < kakimir> very nice
2016-03-30T19:04:49 < kakimir> even with factory settings
2016-03-30T19:05:09 < kakimir> like flying a feather around
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2016-03-30T19:39:40 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/niTjVQX
2016-03-30T19:39:46 < Laurenceb_> unfixed
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2016-03-30T21:11:39 < jpa-> wow, two Tectu_s
2016-03-30T21:11:45 < jpa-> this is going to be a fun fun night
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2016-03-30T21:15:29 < Steffann> One didn't seem to enjoy that thought jpa-
2016-03-30T21:16:15 < jpa-> i guess Tectu_ doesn't like me anymore
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2016-03-30T21:18:16 < Tectu_> I fucking love you, jpa-
2016-03-30T21:19:34 < jpa-> gr8
2016-03-30T21:51:18 < emeb> https://twitter.com/thepunningman/status/714849872214626304
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2016-03-30T22:26:48 < wbraun> almost have openOCD working with my board + stlinkV2-1!
2016-03-30T22:26:53 < wbraun> Encountering one issue though
2016-03-30T22:27:20 < wbraun> it seems that with the configuration file I based my .cfg on for my board it expected to be able to use the physical reset
2016-03-30T22:27:34 < wbraun> but I only have the 4 wire SWD, which does not include reset
2016-03-30T22:28:05 < wbraun> and as a result, it seems to be failing to erase the flash
2016-03-30T22:28:25 < wbraun> “error erasing flash with vFlashErase packet”
2016-03-30T22:28:44 < wbraun> How can I modify the openOCD configuration file to avoid this?
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2016-03-30T22:48:35 < Fleck> wbraun: try #openocd or ##openocd
2016-03-30T22:56:56 < qyx> I commented out the line #reset_config srst_only srst_nogate
2016-03-30T22:57:22 < qyx> I don't know if it is the right approach, but 2 wire swd started working
2016-03-30T22:59:27 < wbraun> right now I have reset_config none
2016-03-30T22:59:45 < wbraun> and it is still failing to erase the flash it seems
2016-03-30T23:00:07 < wbraun> I think the issue is that the STM32 dev boards all connect the SWD reset line
2016-03-30T23:00:41 < wbraun> and I am trying to modify the .cfg file from one of the boards
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2016-03-30T23:02:24 < wbraun> do you have a example file for the programming a stand alone STM32 I could look at qyz?
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2016-03-30T23:14:22 < qyx> yes, an empty one with just two lines
2016-03-30T23:14:26 < qyx> source [find interface/stlink-v2.cfg]
2016-03-30T23:14:30 < qyx> source [find target/stm32f3x_stlink.cfg]
2016-03-30T23:15:03 < qyx> I am using Ldiscovery or F4discovery with stlinkv2 to program custom boards
2016-03-30T23:16:34 < wbraun> I ok. That is ~ the same as mine
2016-03-30T23:16:39 < wbraun> prehaps this is a GDB issue
2016-03-30T23:16:48 < wbraun> what is your GDB config?
2016-03-30T23:17:21 < lorenzo> lol eagle autorouter
2016-03-30T23:17:22 < lorenzo> http://i.imgur.com/C4wO1AA.png
2016-03-30T23:17:29 < lorenzo> why am I even using this
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2016-03-30T23:21:10 < jadew> why are you even using an autorouter?
2016-03-30T23:21:34 < Steffann> Not questioning his use of eagle?
2016-03-30T23:21:36 < jadew> or eagle for that matter
2016-03-30T23:22:21 < lorenzo> jadew: sometimes I have some hope that teh algorithms improved
2016-03-30T23:22:36 < lorenzo> it must be doing all kind of very complicated calculations eh
2016-03-30T23:23:03 < lorenzo> I also have to understand copper fills
2016-03-30T23:23:09 < lorenzo> place something -> it disappears
2016-03-30T23:23:11 < jadew> it's obviously doing them wrong
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2016-03-30T23:23:14 < lorenzo> rerun rastnest -> it reappears
2016-03-30T23:23:25 < jadew> lorenzo use something else
2016-03-30T23:23:35 < jadew> eagle blows
2016-03-30T23:23:51 < lorenzo> yup, luckily the SoM manfacturer has files for altidongs too
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2016-03-30T23:25:04 < jadew> I wouldn't touch altium, not unless I had a lot of money or if it generated a lot of money
2016-03-30T23:25:48 < jadew> nothing that has a yearly license is worth it for an end user
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2016-03-30T23:26:00 < jadew> a license that when expires, you can't use the program anymore
2016-03-30T23:26:21 < jadew> (not even if you get it for free)
2016-03-30T23:26:45 < jadew> even if you can get it for free now, it doesn't mean that 5 years from now you'll still be able to
2016-03-30T23:27:00 < jadew> and if you won't, then your old files will be held hostage by altium
2016-03-30T23:27:25 < jadew> so you will have to pay an arbitrary ammount for a license if you'll want them back
2016-03-30T23:27:44 < jadew> which odds are that you won't do, so you will forfit your work
2016-03-30T23:29:46 < jadew> you could of course send them to someone like dongs, who has altium and he can export them to PDF
2016-03-30T23:30:07 < jadew> but I hear he has ties with the chinese so he could just pass them over to them and they'll clone the crap out of your stuff
2016-03-30T23:30:13 < jadew> do you want the chinese to clone your blinky?
2016-03-30T23:30:59 < jadew> thought so.
2016-03-30T23:31:43 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKakFXMHEwZno3aXc/view?usp=sharing I need some patch with really strong glue to this.. any recommends?
2016-03-30T23:31:46 < Sync> or you just export your designs as gerbers and don't look back
2016-03-30T23:32:47 < Laurenceb_> so pro http://optics.eee.nottingham.ac.uk/wiki/Motion_artifact_reduction_for_reflection_mode_photoplethysmography
2016-03-30T23:33:56 < jadew> kakimir, make sure you first kill whatever is inside that door
2016-03-30T23:34:29 < jadew> or is it a door?
2016-03-30T23:34:59 < BrainDamage> seems like a car seat to me
2016-03-30T23:35:01 < kakimir> seat
2016-03-30T23:35:07 < kakimir> snowmobile
2016-03-30T23:35:14 < kakimir> never buy snowmobile
2016-03-30T23:35:23 < kakimir> unless you have money and time
2016-03-30T23:35:27 < Sync> wot Laurenceb_
2016-03-30T23:36:14 < BrainDamage> superglue and a felt patch should suffice, just beware of the fumes that are quite irritating
2016-03-30T23:36:49 < kakimir> I consume CA fumes
2016-03-30T23:37:18 < Laurenceb_> http://optics.eee.nottingham.ac.uk/w/images/thumb/8/89/Mjb_optical_matrix.png/800px-Mjb_optical_matrix.png
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2016-03-30T23:42:07 < BrainDamage> hyperberry pi for blogging pourposes?
2016-03-30T23:43:35 < Laurenceb_> and fpga
2016-03-30T23:43:55 < Laurenceb_> all to flash some LEDs
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2016-03-31T00:23:39 < Rob235> hmmm
2016-03-31T00:24:22 < Rob235> if you found an error on a web store that let you get items for free and you used it would you let them know about the flaw?
2016-03-31T00:26:09 < lorenzo> Rob235: ##philosophy
2016-03-31T00:26:47 < lorenzo> Rob235: I'd place an order and then send a "oh I accidentally items for free" out of guilt a week later
2016-03-31T00:27:59 < Rob235> i already got the order, I'm not an asshole, I didn't order a lot, it was just a test that I honestly didn't think would work
2016-03-31T00:30:28 < ohsix> the assertion that you're not an asshole is probably a good indicator that you think you should tell them
2016-03-31T00:31:36 < lorenzo> odd they didn't notice though, must be a large shop
2016-03-31T00:32:10 < Rob235> I don't think it's that big
2016-03-31T00:34:25 < mitrax> Rob235: don't
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2016-03-31T00:34:44 < Rob235> no?
2016-03-31T00:34:59 < ohsix> go order more and make sure you're right, dont' want to tell them unless you're certain
2016-03-31T00:35:07 < Rob235> haha
2016-03-31T00:35:10 < ohsix> should be lots more,  maybe they mean to give stuff away under a certain value
2016-03-31T00:35:11 < Rob235> nah I wouldn't do that
2016-03-31T00:35:49 < Rob235> its a specific bug, I don't want to describe it but it's only for certain types of items
2016-03-31T00:36:08 < mitrax> well... in my experience sometimes it's better to stay quiet, i mean, don't abuse it, but if you want to tell them make sure they won't sue your ass because you "exploited a security flaw" or whatever, i know the error has nothing to do with a hack but sometimes people react weirdly
2016-03-31T00:38:35 < Rob235> yea I don't know if I want to get involved... maybe I could just send an anonymous email
2016-03-31T00:38:42 < mitrax> there was this story of a guy who found a company he knew had intranet documents indexed by google, so all their shit was accessible, he grabbed a few files as a test, then he let them know
2016-03-31T00:39:03 < mitrax> the company sued him... and believe or not, he was charged
2016-03-31T00:41:50 < Rob235> my bet would be the worst that will happen is they ask me to send the item back..
2016-03-31T00:42:07 < Rob235> information is different
2016-03-31T00:49:45 < Sync> the worst is that you will be charged for fraud
2016-03-31T00:49:49 < Sync> and get assraped
2016-03-31T00:51:27 < kakimir> get assburger
2016-03-31T00:54:24 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSF9tQUJaUnZ1cFU/view?usp=sharing they delivered
2016-03-31T00:54:34 < kakimir> weight 90grams
2016-03-31T00:54:39 < kakimir> about what I calculated
2016-03-31T00:54:48 < kakimir> something like 85grams
2016-03-31T00:54:59 < mitrax> shiny SMA!
2016-03-31T00:55:22 < kakimir> SMA for radio ghettomod
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2016-03-31T01:14:29 < kakimir> I need to custom my jlink serial numbers
2016-03-31T01:19:03 < kakimir>  /o\
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2016-03-31T01:22:25 < kakimir> none.exe
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2016-03-31T01:23:11 < kakimir> electronicwise unbricked few jlinks today
2016-03-31T01:23:46 < kakimir> tested 3d plane with coptercontrol on board
2016-03-31T01:23:49 < kakimir> really nice
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2016-03-31T01:24:08 < kakimir> I have it with me right here
2016-03-31T01:24:34 < kakimir> it's flat wire coil
2016-03-31T01:24:50 < kakimir> it's because
2016-03-31T01:25:13 < kakimir> some surface currents and vortex stuff
2016-03-31T01:25:24 < kakimir> no
2016-03-31T01:25:44 < kakimir> I did not because it's noway near the peak
2016-03-31T01:25:57 < mitrax> ahahaha
2016-03-31T01:26:21 < kakimir> there is like some stuff happenings in the coil wire that makes flat wire better
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2016-03-31T01:26:57 < kakimir> I want bigger coils
2016-03-31T01:27:33 < kakimir> custom coil
2016-03-31T01:27:42 < kakimir> why not just torroid it?
2016-03-31T01:29:05 < kakimir> funky
2016-03-31T01:29:50 < kakimir> it's cryptic to me
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2016-03-31T01:55:31 < kakimir> I had weird dream
2016-03-31T01:55:37 < kakimir> last nite
2016-03-31T01:55:51 < kakimir> alternative future
2016-03-31T01:56:22 < kakimir> communist takeover
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2016-03-31T02:12:38 < kakimir> i wonder if my laber writer would work connected to lunix host and then like over network
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2016-03-31T02:13:37 < kakimir> I wonder what to print while I'm at it
2016-03-31T02:24:39 < kakimir> penis + phone number
2016-03-31T02:25:47 < kakimir> not that I know
2016-03-31T02:26:02 < kakimir> I don't really do anything what requires such
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2016-03-31T03:12:45 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-LCD-Digital-Pen-Aquarium-Pool-Water-Test-Meter-Measure-PH-Tester-Durable-/381451700280 how does the sensor in these function?
2016-03-31T03:14:09 < kakimir> I have one very similar or even almost identical device.. it has something looking a bit like small bulb lamp there
2016-03-31T03:16:27 < Laurenceb_> http://www.emdrive.com/EmDriveForceMeasurement.pdf
2016-03-31T03:16:30 < kakimir> http://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-ph-meters-work.html
2016-03-31T03:16:40 < Laurenceb_> Indeed, in the UK when the background force changes were eliminated, in an effort to improve force measurement resolution, no EmDrive force was measured
2016-03-31T03:16:51 < Laurenceb_> emdrive confirms emdrive is fake
2016-03-31T03:17:21 < kakimir> hmm
2016-03-31T03:17:22 < kakimir> so
2016-03-31T03:17:28 < kakimir> when do you get your money back?
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2016-03-31T03:20:29 < kakimir> when does UK go communism Laurenceb_ ?
2016-03-31T03:20:47 < Laurenceb_> when Crobyn gets elected
2016-03-31T03:20:50 < Laurenceb_> ie never
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2016-03-31T03:21:08 < Laurenceb_> http://skeletontech.com/150629_Skelcap_Ultracapacitor_Cylindrical.pdf
2016-03-31T03:21:20 < Laurenceb_> insane if true
2016-03-31T03:22:29 < kakimir> how much a pop?
2016-03-31T03:22:56 < Laurenceb_> probably a lot
2016-03-31T03:23:47 < Laurenceb_> not enough energy density for electric vehicles :-/
2016-03-31T03:24:39 < kakimir> I wonder what are figures for a carbonfiber flywheel
2016-03-31T03:24:55 < Laurenceb_> lower than battery
2016-03-31T03:25:14 < Laurenceb_> li-ion is the highest energy density of any realistic energy storage technique
2016-03-31T03:25:29 < Laurenceb_> pity it doesnt last very long / many cycles
2016-03-31T03:26:18 < Laurenceb_> LG li-ion is about 1MJ/Kg, Tesla is supposedly ~1.1, but they use panasonic cells that arent sold to anybody else :-/
2016-03-31T03:32:56 < ohsix> The server was unable to allocate from the system nonpaged pool because the server reached the configured limit for nonpaged pool allocations.
2016-03-31T03:32:57 < ohsix> gg
2016-03-31T03:36:55 < kakimir> fukken heliterror
2016-03-31T03:37:06 < kakimir> constant low frequency noise
2016-03-31T03:38:04 < kakimir> where I live there is no other noises
2016-03-31T03:38:48 < Laurenceb_> heliterror lul
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2016-03-31T03:42:05 < kakimir> how it feels like 3:30AM https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1sD4QKIYAENyML.jpg
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2016-03-31T03:53:13 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_AH-64_Apache#/media/File:AH-64_Apache_extraction_exercise.jpg
2016-03-31T03:58:13 < kakimir> the chopper spinned down somewhere within few kilometers
2016-03-31T03:59:11 < kakimir> rotor
2016-03-31T03:59:14 < kakimir> *
2016-03-31T04:05:56 < aandrew> I guess that's funny for some definition of funny
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2016-03-31T04:12:29 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/yen5Fwy
2016-03-31T04:23:20 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/o7cDT0N
2016-03-31T04:23:41 < dongs> unfunny
2016-03-31T04:33:00 < ohsix> is 'by the beetles' funny
2016-03-31T04:33:10 < ohsix> or are you 11
2016-03-31T04:34:57 < dongs> I'm 13 so shut up
2016-03-31T04:35:00 < dongs> or ill call your mom
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2016-03-31T04:47:11 < ohsix> windows has more knobs than freebsd
2016-03-31T04:47:12 < ohsix> This setting is normally the best setting to use for all servers except dedicated file servers or with applications exhibiting file server-like characteristics.
2016-03-31T04:47:40 < ohsix> fudge dum parameters you're just supposed to increase if there's a problem, oh and you're supposed to find this thing in the first place
2016-03-31T04:48:37 < dongs> how's your stm32 fileserver doing
2016-03-31T04:48:48 < ohsix> done
2016-03-31T04:49:00 < ohsix> serves semihosted files over slip
2016-03-31T04:49:16 < dongs> i dont see corresponding hackaday post
2016-03-31T04:59:15 < ohsix> hackaday never posts anything i do
2016-03-31T04:59:18 < ohsix> they're too cool
2016-03-31T04:59:33 < ohsix> crt: yea it's not even 'bad', it's just so cringe
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2016-03-31T05:00:13 < ohsix> it's probably one dude talking to himself
2016-03-31T05:01:17 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrxS9Lv142U relevant irrelevant inception video
2016-03-31T05:02:14 < dongs> and yet people who post on dick-a-day have actually done something
2016-03-31T05:02:22 < dongs> where's crt's and fail6 stm32 projects?
2016-03-31T05:03:11 < ohsix> i dunno man
2016-03-31T05:03:23 < ohsix> i decided a while ago that if i didn't make it on hackaday i'm going to keep it private
2016-03-31T05:03:32 < ohsix> ask brian krebs
2016-03-31T05:06:14 < ohsix> the internet is so full of shit, microsoft should really do something about it
2016-03-31T05:06:28 < ohsix> a million fucks that don't know what things do and they're fucking with it
2016-03-31T05:06:50 < ohsix> 'nice guys' who's anecdote completely wash out any useful information about anything they might talk about
2016-03-31T05:07:10 < ohsix> yea it's not good
2016-03-31T05:07:16 < ohsix> there's a post every 4 hours too, on a timer
2016-03-31T05:07:26 < ohsix> they don't give a shit
2016-03-31T05:07:41 < ohsix> there's no real commentary from anyone posting things but they try and add some words like they're not just reposting something
2016-03-31T05:07:56 < ohsix> i've been reading at least the titles for a few years now
2016-03-31T05:11:44 < dongs> punchline: Want to run the most professional productivity apps for design and engineering? Sadly, that’s Windows as well.
2016-03-31T05:12:58  * Laurenceb_ is trying to work out how to work out horse heartrate
2016-03-31T05:13:29 < Laurenceb_> I'm guessing take abs of all channels, add, then correlate this signal with a delayed version of itself
2016-03-31T05:13:58 < Laurenceb_> look for sharp peak in correllelogram
2016-03-31T05:14:01 < Laurenceb_> i canna spell
2016-03-31T05:14:51 < ohsix> there's a thing for that and it's not just autocorrelation
2016-03-31T05:14:55 < ohsix> has a name, lemme see if i can find it
2016-03-31T05:15:05 < Laurenceb_> sounds interesting
2016-03-31T05:16:04 < ohsix> huh nxp has a neat datasheet about it
2016-03-31T05:16:10 < ohsix> http://www.nxp.com/files/microcontrollers/doc/app_note/AN4059.pdf?amp%3Btid=AMdlDR
2016-03-31T05:16:23 < ohsix> probably has it in there, eating dinner, bbl
2016-03-31T05:17:37 < Laurenceb_> lol figure 14
2016-03-31T05:17:38 < Laurenceb_> thanks
2016-03-31T05:17:52 < Laurenceb_> fig 14 has already eaten dinner
2016-03-31T05:18:43 < dongs> nicec
2016-03-31T05:19:15 < ohsix> might have been thinking of these tho https://acls-algorithms.com/rhythms/
2016-03-31T05:19:17 < ohsix> huhuhu
2016-03-31T05:19:25 < ohsix> it's like diagnosing a car
2016-03-31T05:20:29 < Laurenceb_> hmm yeah I dont see bpm calculation in the freescale app note
2016-03-31T05:20:46 < dongs> ..
2016-03-31T05:20:59 < dongs> isnt that one kinda obvious
2016-03-31T05:21:04 < dongs> just count them and time?
2016-03-31T05:21:08 < dongs> wiht some averaging
2016-03-31T05:26:46 < dongs> flycack would know
2016-03-31T05:35:38 < ohsix> hear eevblag slurpin some lip moisture in latest video
2016-03-31T05:35:57 < ohsix> also pronounces linux wrong, correcting him on each video might be funny after a few years
2016-03-31T05:36:03 < ohsix> like chinese water torture
2016-03-31T05:37:53 < dongs> them views are dropping like flies
2016-03-31T05:38:06 < dongs> trying hard to stay relevant
2016-03-31T05:38:39 < ohsix> do you think there's a reason
2016-03-31T05:38:51 < ohsix> he was doing the same shit while it was going 'up'
2016-03-31T05:39:00 < dongs> yes, the content hasn't been "ee" for years
2016-03-31T05:39:06 < dongs> if ever
2016-03-31T05:39:15 < dongs> now its just v, and blog.
2016-03-31T05:39:35 < ohsix> what are the fundamentals fridays things
2016-03-31T05:40:05 < dongs> wot
2016-03-31T05:40:30 < ohsix> they're videos he does that are nothing but ee
2016-03-31T05:40:34 < ohsix> hm
2016-03-31T05:40:43 < dongs> youre talking to me like i actualy watch anything on that hcannel
2016-03-31T05:40:54 < ohsix> google should grow the smarts to enable '1k <part number>' and show prices
2016-03-31T05:41:03 < ohsix> how do you know about views and what he does if you don't?
2016-03-31T05:41:17 < dongs> pulling them out of my ass, as usual
2016-03-31T05:41:23 < ohsix> ic
2016-03-31T05:43:18 < ohsix> http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/eevblog/monthly that's actually some pretty good graph thingz there for growth and stuff
2016-03-31T05:44:14 < ohsix> i'm hoping to see a video where there isn't an end frame that is the subscribe/patron/another video link
2016-03-31T05:44:27 < ohsix> i miss the magic smoke and in retrospect supercool outro.
2016-03-31T05:44:55 < ohsix> jajaj
2016-03-31T05:45:03 < ohsix> i never look at comments on these things, he's got his own trolls
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2016-03-31T05:53:07 < Laurenceb_> eevblog
2016-03-31T05:53:13 < Laurenceb_> reading that is the issue
2016-03-31T05:53:16 < ohsix> yea it's right in the name
2016-03-31T05:53:46 < ohsix> heh google has graph info blocks for word etymologies
2016-03-31T05:54:04 < ohsix> https://www.google.com/search?q=etymology+of+the+word+pornography
2016-03-31T05:54:24 < ohsix> needs a new name, not writing about whores anymore
2016-03-31T05:55:51 < ohsix> microsoft technet is broke :[ 500 on almost every page
2016-03-31T05:56:17 < dongs> technet has been dead for years
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2016-03-31T05:56:32 < ohsix> bing still indexes it
2016-03-31T06:02:05 < ohsix> only mentioned bing cuz it's also microsoft and if it still indexes it it's probably supposed to be working
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2016-03-31T06:05:25 < Laurenceb_> pro hyperloop http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-05/15/content_17509215.htm
2016-03-31T06:05:39 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0aEldCCxN8
2016-03-31T06:05:44 < Laurenceb_> that tunnel doesnt look strong enough
2016-03-31T06:05:46 < ReadError> Tampa Mother ‘HIRES’ A Hood Stripper For Her Son’s 8-Year-Old BIRTHDAY PARTY!!(1)
2016-03-31T06:05:47 < ReadError> lol
2016-03-31T06:07:03 < Laurenceb_> triggered
2016-03-31T06:07:25 < ohsix> 'hires'
2016-03-31T06:07:53 < dongs> hire spics
2016-03-31T06:09:51 < ohsix> http://archive.arstechnica.com/tweak/nt/
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2016-03-31T06:10:44 < ohsix> For those of you with physical RAM in the three-digit range, you're likely losing out on some performance by not allocating that spare memory to disk caching.
2016-03-31T06:10:52 < ohsix> a few probably
2016-03-31T06:11:12 < dongs> 3 digits?
2016-03-31T06:11:30 < dongs> like above 128gb?
2016-03-31T06:11:42 < ohsix> above 80mb
2016-03-31T06:11:59 < dongs> sorry waht is this nonsense
2016-03-31T06:12:09 < dongs> i stopped counting memory in "mb" in like 1996
2016-03-31T06:12:20 < ohsix> i want to know kung fu so i went back to read ab out nt4
2016-03-31T06:13:38 < ohsix> this was cutting ej tech reporting in 2003 bro
2016-03-31T06:16:53 < Laurenceb_> this channel is shitpost central
2016-03-31T06:17:15 < Laurenceb_> I'm gunna have to start DESIGNATED poo in loo crab and propane posting soon
2016-03-31T06:18:37 < Laurenceb_> http://leekyforums.com/thread/317109/news/faggots-have-taken-over-leeky-forums-with-crab.html
2016-03-31T06:19:27 < Laurenceb_> When will the government do something about crabposting?
2016-03-31T06:19:27 < Laurenceb_> As soon as Trump gets elected. :^)
2016-03-31T06:19:30 < Laurenceb_> truth
2016-03-31T06:19:48 < ohsix> what is leeky
2016-03-31T06:19:56 < Laurenceb_> its a spoof of 4chan
2016-03-31T06:20:06 < ohsix> people complaining about crap posts are hipsters
2016-03-31T06:21:08 < ohsix> ya man they liked the thing before it was cool
2016-03-31T06:21:14 < ohsix> and now it's cool they're reactionary
2016-03-31T06:21:21 < ohsix> get off my lawn
2016-03-31T06:22:29 < ReadError> ohsix
2016-03-31T06:22:31 < ReadError> http://www.trampaboards.com/35-holypro-trampa-deck-on-ultimate-trucks-superstar-wheels--ratchet-bindings--728-black-mountainboard-mountainboard--black-edition-superstars-p-12373.html
2016-03-31T06:22:39 < ReadError> ordered dat bitch
2016-03-31T06:22:48 < ReadError> gonna get started next week on it
2016-03-31T06:22:58 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-31T06:23:04 < ohsix> i thought you had one already and that was why you were doing it
2016-03-31T06:23:08 < dongs> wtf is taht? skateboard?
2016-03-31T06:23:12 < Laurenceb_> you're making an electric mountainboard?
2016-03-31T06:23:17 < ohsix> holypro
2016-03-31T06:23:51 < Laurenceb_> looks vulnerable to wheel oscillation
2016-03-31T06:24:01 < ReadError> Laurenceb_ yes
2016-03-31T06:24:03 < Laurenceb_> thats what happens every time I try to ride one of those things
2016-03-31T06:24:14 < Laurenceb_> have you ever gone >30mph on one?
2016-03-31T06:24:16 < ReadError> wheel oscillation?
2016-03-31T06:24:18 < ohsix> cuz you got weak ankles
2016-03-31T06:24:28 < ohsix> fall off more
2016-03-31T06:24:34 < ReadError> shit prolly wasnt setup right
2016-03-31T06:24:36 < ReadError> or you suck
2016-03-31T06:24:37 < Laurenceb_> that suspension design
2016-03-31T06:24:47 < Laurenceb_> I can't countersteer at 15hz
2016-03-31T06:25:00 < ohsix> underdamped
2016-03-31T06:25:04 < Laurenceb_> it was literally buzzing
2016-03-31T06:25:42 < ohsix> heh hm
2016-03-31T06:26:03 < ohsix> dongs: a little wilhelm like thing that was a 9dof datalogger might be kewl
2016-03-31T06:26:24 < ohsix> commercial probes like that are $$$$ and have to run back to a central box that's alsomegabux
2016-03-31T06:27:13 < Laurenceb_> ReadError: how are you going to motorize it?
2016-03-31T06:27:15 < ohsix> ReadError: that looks more expensive than the one you posted the other day
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2016-03-31T06:27:28 < Laurenceb_> R/C motors with direct drive or something?
2016-03-31T06:27:35 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: nice square faces on the wheel mounts
2016-03-31T06:27:38 < ReadError> Laurenceb 2500w motors
2016-03-31T06:28:00 < ReadError> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__71864__Turnigy_Aerodrive_SK3_6374_149kv_Brushless_Outrunner_Motor_AR_Warehouse_.html
2016-03-31T06:28:01 < PeterM> ReadError, SK3?
2016-03-31T06:28:03 < ReadError> 2x of those
2016-03-31T06:28:05 < PeterM> haha
2016-03-31T06:28:07 < PeterM> knewit
2016-03-31T06:28:08 < ohsix> with regen braking you could ride to the mountain, up the mountain and back
2016-03-31T06:28:12 < ReadError> 1:6 belt
2016-03-31T06:28:22 < ohsix> do you have solidworks already
2016-03-31T06:28:26 < Laurenceb_> bloody hell
2016-03-31T06:28:28 < ReadError> yea
2016-03-31T06:28:31 < Laurenceb_> thats going to be fast
2016-03-31T06:28:35 < ReadError> i need to design the mounts
2016-03-31T06:28:38 < ohsix> werdup
2016-03-31T06:28:38 < ReadError> and start cutting
2016-03-31T06:28:57 < ohsix> are the dailygusta image link things in a long form blag of some type
2016-03-31T06:29:31 < ReadError> nah its just smugmug
2016-03-31T06:29:36 < Laurenceb_> is it all going to be sheet metal or is it more complex?
2016-03-31T06:29:44 < ReadError> place i put pics from my phone up
2016-03-31T06:29:51 < ReadError> Laurenceb_ well im using 2 motors
2016-03-31T06:30:05 < ohsix> 4kw is some srs biz
2016-03-31T06:30:17 < ReadError> i got some 1", 0.5" and 0.25" 7075 alum coming
2016-03-31T06:30:18 < ohsix> you could pull a smaller car with that
2016-03-31T06:30:36 < ReadError> http://www.e-toxx.com/
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2016-03-31T06:30:41 < ReadError> i like this guys style of one
2016-03-31T06:30:45 < Laurenceb_> ReadError: I wonder if SLS nylon parts would work
2016-03-31T06:30:50 < PeterM> alum? are oyu nuts, hsit will fatigue and fuck right off after a year
2016-03-31T06:30:54 < Laurenceb_> its actually non sucky
2016-03-31T06:30:57 < ReadError> http://www.e-toxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/20151108_1433341.jpg
2016-03-31T06:31:01 < Laurenceb_> unlike "3D printing"
2016-03-31T06:31:01 < ohsix> are there esc's with regen braking for this kind of thing
2016-03-31T06:31:12 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: Simon-- on github
2016-03-31T06:31:26 < ReadError> ohsix VESC
2016-03-31T06:31:27 < ohsix> ReadError: nice, that looks kind of lame though
2016-03-31T06:31:36 < Laurenceb_> holy shit that looks overkill
2016-03-31T06:31:39 < ReadError> made for shit like this
2016-03-31T06:31:56 < ReadError> 240A burst and up to 60V
2016-03-31T06:32:04 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-31T06:32:24 < dongs> whitespy motors
2016-03-31T06:32:37 < Laurenceb_> thats nearly 40 hp
2016-03-31T06:32:38 < Laurenceb_> nuts
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2016-03-31T06:33:06 < ohsix> http://www.enertionboards.com/diy-electric-skateboard-kits/enertion-dual-motor-mount-uber-plus-kit/ high cash
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2016-03-31T06:33:49 < PeterM> Laurenceb_, that board won't do 40hp for very long, thats like 160w of dissipation in the fets when hard on
2016-03-31T06:33:54 < ohsix> gotta make sure the name is on everything in case people don't notice it on the wheels or the belt or the motor or the truck
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2016-03-31T06:34:16 < ReadError> yea it can do 50A cont. though
2016-03-31T06:34:25 < PeterM> at 40hp you'll have your fets slide off the PCB in under a minute
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2016-03-31T06:34:43 < ohsix> isn't there a thermal governor
2016-03-31T06:35:11 < PeterM> probably, but then you wont be getting your 40hp, would oyu?
2016-03-31T06:35:40 < ohsix> you only need it to accelerate
2016-03-31T06:35:55 < ohsix> 'it'
2016-03-31T06:36:07 < ohsix> newayz the duty cycle when you are being retarded is going to be lowish
2016-03-31T06:36:51 < ReadError> i want to re-spin VESC though
2016-03-31T06:37:03 < ReadError> doing the fets/power shit on 1 board
2016-03-31T06:37:08 < PeterM> at 50a, its only 7.5w
2016-03-31T06:37:17 < ReadError> and MCU and other stuff on a 2nd
2016-03-31T06:37:48 < ohsix> have you seen ethiopluszerosomething's blag with his rage motor controller
2016-03-31T06:37:52 < ReadError> and use some board-to-board connectors
2016-03-31T06:38:07 < ohsix> can never remember the guys name
2016-03-31T06:38:19 < PeterM> ReadError, yeah, use some http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/IPT020N10N3_Rev1.1.pdf?folderId=db3a304313b8b5a60113cee8763b02d7&fileId=db3a30433e9d5d11013e9e58035b0158 and stick em on MCPCB
2016-03-31T06:38:23 < Laurenceb_> I wonder if you could get away with SLS nylon motor mounts going onto the main axel
2016-03-31T06:38:41 < Laurenceb_> maybe SLS glass/nylon
2016-03-31T06:38:51 < Laurenceb_> so theres less creep
2016-03-31T06:39:08 < dongs> 300A
2016-03-31T06:39:10 < dongs> lol
2016-03-31T06:39:20 < ReadError> ehhh i dont trust SLS
2016-03-31T06:39:21 < Laurenceb_> tensile strength is about 1/3rd that of cheapish aluminium
2016-03-31T06:39:33 < Laurenceb_> SLS >> filament crap
2016-03-31T06:39:43 < ohsix> nm his motor controller things are dc
2016-03-31T06:39:52 < ohsix> he had a thing that had outboard fets
2016-03-31T06:39:55 < ReadError> yea but i dont use 3d printed stuff on anything i plan to keep or use
2016-03-31T06:40:01 < PeterM> or oyu could you know, just 304 stainless and forgetaboutit
2016-03-31T06:40:03 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-03-31T06:40:21 < ohsix> http://www.etotheipiplusone.net/
2016-03-31T06:40:42 < ReadError> PeterM i dont have a serious enough mill to do that though ;/
2016-03-31T06:40:49 < Laurenceb_> SLS nylon from an EOS machine isnt too bad
2016-03-31T06:40:51 < PeterM> sure you do
2016-03-31T06:40:55 < Laurenceb_> and cheap
2016-03-31T06:41:38 < ohsix> huh he's doing battlebots
2016-03-31T06:41:45 < dongs> useless
2016-03-31T06:42:13 < ohsix> that's one of the reasons it is interesting
2016-03-31T06:43:03 < Laurenceb_> I'd try SLS nylon/glass clamps going onto the axel from the motors
2016-03-31T06:43:43 < ReadError> i dont have a machine that can do that
2016-03-31T06:44:01 < ReadError> 7075 is pretty strong though
2016-03-31T06:44:15 < PeterM> i'd try machining the sharf off the outrunner and then attachign the sprocket stright to the bell
2016-03-31T06:44:34 < PeterM> shaft off*
2016-03-31T06:44:36 < Laurenceb_> with smart design it should be at least as strong as a simple alu - you can gain a load of strength from good design with flanges and whatnot
2016-03-31T06:44:42 < ReadError> PeterM the SK3 has that option
2016-03-31T06:44:48 < ReadError> just flip it over
2016-03-31T06:44:50 < Laurenceb_> then off the shelf 304 stainless sprokets and stuff
2016-03-31T06:44:56 < Laurenceb_> I cant speeleelldl
2016-03-31T06:45:17 < PeterM> ReadError, then you have a shaft stickin out hte other side
2016-03-31T06:45:25 < ReadError> yea need to find the gears
2016-03-31T06:45:35 < ReadError> hopefully SDS has something
2016-03-31T06:46:04 < PeterM> do you not know anyone with a mil?
2016-03-31T06:46:05 < ohsix> do you have an end mill thing
2016-03-31T06:46:20 < ReadError> PeterM I have a mill
2016-03-31T06:46:23 < ReadError> and router
2016-03-31T06:46:41 < ReadError> but its not a big mill and I dont have coolant
2016-03-31T06:46:54 < Laurenceb_> I found a local company that does nylon/glass at about 50euros per litre with this beast  http://www.eos.info/systems_solutions/plastic/systems_equipment/formiga_p_110
2016-03-31T06:47:23 < PeterM> ReadError, you've got weeks of bloggin until your shit comes, jsut slooowww feeeds and speeeds
2016-03-31T06:48:03 < ReadError> i can do alum no prob though
2016-03-31T06:48:31 < PeterM> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue_limit
2016-03-31T06:49:48 < ReadError> PeterM the belts should dampen some of that, no?
2016-03-31T06:50:05 < PeterM> Other structural metals such as aluminium and copper, do not have a distinct limit and will eventually fail even from small stress amplitudes.
2016-03-31T06:50:35 < PeterM> especailly an issue for your motor mounts if you make htem from aluminium
2016-03-31T06:50:56 < PeterM> The endurance limit for notched specimens (and thus for many practical design situations) is significantly lower.
2016-03-31T06:53:44 < ohsix> you can also get softer steel then harden/anneal it after machining
2016-03-31T06:55:46 < ohsix> the trucks look like alu though
2016-03-31T06:55:53 < ohsix> if you use a harder metal it'll trash them
2016-03-31T06:57:34 < ReadError> yea
2016-03-31T06:57:39 < ReadError> they are alum with TI shafts
2016-03-31T07:02:55 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waspaloy protestant metalz
2016-03-31T07:08:56 < PeterM> ReadError, how do you intend to attach hte sproket to the wheels?
2016-03-31T07:09:11 < ohsix> drill baby drill
2016-03-31T07:09:28 < ReadError> yea basically bolt it to the hub
2016-03-31T07:09:31 < ReadError> though it
2016-03-31T07:09:44 < Laurenceb_> sounds like an opportunity for fail
2016-03-31T07:09:50 < Laurenceb_> maybe grub screw?
2016-03-31T07:09:54 < ohsix> you could get a really wide wheel and mill into it ;D
2016-03-31T07:10:07 < Laurenceb_> oh to the wheelz
2016-03-31T07:10:09 < ohsix> it is an opportunity for fail but there aren't a lot of alternatives
2016-03-31T07:10:16 < Laurenceb_> cant it just be bolted?
2016-03-31T07:10:20 < Laurenceb_> I dunno lol
2016-03-31T07:10:24 < ohsix> just drilling and screwing/bolting it on works
2016-03-31T07:10:27 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-03-31T07:10:30  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2016-03-31T07:10:52 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N83c8PjmLcw
2016-03-31T07:11:12 < PeterM> im looking at the wheels and the "spokes" look super fuckin flimsy
2016-03-31T07:12:23 < ReadError> http://www.trampaboards.com/black-anodised-superstar-spoke--extruded-t6-aluminum-heat-treated--cnc-precision-milled-p-1004.html#
2016-03-31T07:12:35 < ReadError> i can take these and re-do them basically
2016-03-31T07:12:52 < ReadError> or re-do the inner one
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2016-03-31T07:23:32 < ohsix> is th at's what's in the wheels?
2016-03-31T07:23:53 < ohsix> weird
2016-03-31T07:24:02 < ohsix> where can you get tiny pneumatic tires without spokes
2016-03-31T07:24:07 < ohsix> you could put a hub motor in there
2016-03-31T07:26:13 < PeterM> ReadError, i'd get those "spokes" and make a spoke/sprocket/bearing in one
2016-03-31T07:26:28 < ohsix> that's what he meant i think
2016-03-31T07:26:42 < ReadError> PeterM yea, i would basically make a replacement one
2016-03-31T07:26:46 < ReadError> thats more solid
2016-03-31T07:26:58 < ReadError> then i can bolt the gear to it directly
2016-03-31T07:27:03 < ohsix> pump that prig
2016-03-31T07:27:06 < PeterM> dont even do thjat
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2016-03-31T07:27:25 < PeterM> machine it as one
2016-03-31T07:27:42 < PeterM> and pressfit the bearing into the back
2016-03-31T07:28:55 < ReadError> PeterM I cant machine the gear
2016-03-31T07:30:04 < PeterM> why
2016-03-31T07:30:34 < ReadError> PeterM too hard, i can buy stock
2016-03-31T07:30:59 < ohsix> that's wat GR8SK0T did
2016-03-31T07:31:03 < ohsix> fit around truck and everything
2016-03-31T07:32:29 < ReadError> cutting a pulley would be a huuuuge waste of time
2016-03-31T07:32:34 < ReadError> and not work very well
2016-03-31T07:33:19 < ohsix> i read that as crafting and was going to make a video game joke
2016-03-31T07:33:34 < ohsix> put the coal in the workbench and use some sticks or something, glad it wasn't cuz it didn't come together
2016-03-31T07:41:07 < ohsix> alibi? couldn't have been murdering cuz you were signing for a package?
2016-03-31T07:41:20 < ReadError> hmm chain might be a lot easier
2016-03-31T07:41:30 < ohsix> chain blows though
2016-03-31T07:41:43 < ReadError> yea belts are better
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2016-03-31T07:44:50 < PeterM> it depends, chains are huge strongk, and thus cna transfer hueg power, but require retensioining due to wear etc
2016-03-31T07:45:02 < ohsix> not only easier but getting the chains and the sprockets and stuff, they have to have a specific slack
2016-03-31T07:45:06 < ohsix> and ya they wear
2016-03-31T07:45:13 < ReadError> belts are so smooth tho
2016-03-31T07:45:24 < PeterM> chains are too if you tension them right
2016-03-31T07:45:27 < ReadError> but im reading the problem is getting a 1:6 ratio
2016-03-31T07:45:41 < ohsix> why did you pick that ratio
2016-03-31T07:45:53 < ReadError> that seems to be what works well on these
2016-03-31T07:45:56 < ReadError> high torque
2016-03-31T07:46:04 < PeterM> you'd need a pretty fine sproket for a chain to get 1:6 but for belt it would be fine
2016-03-31T07:47:09 < ReadError> https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=63913&p=957087&hilit=MTB+ratio#p957128
2016-03-31T07:47:13 < ReadError> this
2016-03-31T07:47:58 < ReadError> hmm it could work though
2016-03-31T07:48:24 < ReadError> 72teeth HTD 5mm = 113.5mm dia
2016-03-31T07:48:55 < ohsix> matthias wandal has a gear calculator thing for wood gears :p
2016-03-31T07:49:34 < ReadError> https://sdp-si.com/eStore/CenterDistanceDesigner
2016-03-31T07:49:39 < ohsix> when i was thinking about some crap to make i was looking at the tall inline skate type wheels
2016-03-31T07:49:53 < ohsix> since you could put a sprocket on them close to the line of action
2016-03-31T07:50:01 < ReadError> 12:72 give mes 1:6
2016-03-31T07:50:12 < ohsix> center of motion? somewhere close to where the bearing plane on the ground is
2016-03-31T07:50:18 < ohsix> so you don't get weird tangential torque
2016-03-31T07:50:27 < ohsix> at least not a lot
2016-03-31T07:51:27 < ohsix> just from a retail box you get a decent bit of running gear on the razor scooters with the pneumatic wheels
2016-03-31T07:51:31 < ohsix> like 130$ or something
2016-03-31T07:51:55 < ohsix> motor mount looks like you can swap for outrunner without modification and the battery boxes are for sla so they're huge
2016-03-31T07:52:03 < ohsix> brakes/throttle everything affixed already
2016-03-31T07:52:51 < ohsix> the smaller non pneumatic ones have hub wheels that can probably do 500w
2016-03-31T07:53:51 < ohsix> it's only a matter of time before i see a busted one for 15$ anyways :<
2016-03-31T07:53:59 < ReadError> if you have a motor, why need for brake?
2016-03-31T07:54:10 < ohsix> they're dc motors and the brake is on the front
2016-03-31T07:54:15 < ReadError> turn that energy back in to power
2016-03-31T07:54:28 < ohsix> you want a brake for emergencies it's just nice it is there already
2016-03-31T07:54:34 < ohsix> even with regen braking
2016-03-31T07:55:20 < ohsix> put a microswitch on it so the brake works like a camera shutter button
2016-03-31T07:55:36 < ohsix> the throttle is just across the bars so it's easy to modify, then if you pull harder it engages real brake
2016-03-31T08:00:35 < ReadError> on a razor ?
2016-03-31T08:05:29 < ohsix> ya
2016-03-31T08:05:41 < ohsix> er
2016-03-31T08:05:50 < ohsix> no, you'd add the microswitch if you wanted to do it that way
2016-03-31T08:05:59 < ohsix> you could just have part of the throttle range be brake
2016-03-31T08:06:28 < ohsix> the brake on the actual thing is just mechanical
2016-03-31T08:08:18 < ReadError> I need to find a good source of 18650s now
2016-03-31T08:08:27 < ReadError> sucks fasttech is bein a bish
2016-03-31T08:15:17 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/Artisan-Non-Stick-Silicone-Baking-Mat/dp/B00629K4YK?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
2016-03-31T08:15:25 < ReadError> thse work great for soldering/rework
2016-03-31T08:15:33 < ReadError> used them yesterday
2016-03-31T08:16:49 < ohsix> high temp resistance
2016-03-31T08:16:59 < ohsix> same reason they're good for baking
2016-03-31T08:17:02 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-31T08:17:12 < ohsix> floor tiles can explode from thermal stress
2016-03-31T08:17:32 < ohsix> .
2016-03-31T08:17:33 < ReadError> yea high temp
2016-03-31T08:17:35 < ReadError> easy to clean
2016-03-31T08:17:39 < ohsix> fire?
2016-03-31T08:17:41 < ReadError> and stuff stays put
2016-03-31T08:17:41 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-31T08:17:49 < ReadError> since they are kinda tacky
2016-03-31T08:17:52 < ohsix> k you're doing something else
2016-03-31T08:18:47 < ohsix> eh flyback you should check your extension cord/circuit situation
2016-03-31T08:19:00 < ReadError> crt the t-962?
2016-03-31T08:21:58 < ohsix> too much
2016-03-31T08:24:17 < ohsix> do you have something like a tile but only weighs 6 ounces
2016-03-31T08:25:29 < ohsix> ReadError: broad city
2016-03-31T08:25:32 < ReadError> flyback thats whats nice about the silicone joints
2016-03-31T08:25:36 < ReadError> stuff stays put
2016-03-31T08:25:40 < ReadError> ya just DL it now
2016-03-31T08:25:43 < ReadError> will start
2016-03-31T08:25:45 < ohsix> i thought cc was on holiday week :<
2016-03-31T08:26:10 < ohsix> mondays samantha bee hasn't been posted either
2016-03-31T08:26:31 < ReadError> was there a last week tonight this week?
2016-03-31T08:26:39 < ohsix> flyback: they're hard and a real hazard when they break
2016-03-31T08:26:40 < ReadError> the one on usenet was a repost
2016-03-31T08:26:50 < ohsix> ReadError: it was posted with an old version
2016-03-31T08:26:56 < ReadError> ya
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2016-03-31T08:31:19 < PeterM> ReadError, you gon run this thing off 18650s?
2016-03-31T08:31:37 < ReadError> probably eventually
2016-03-31T08:31:46 < ReadError> I have a bunch of 4s 3300 packs though
2016-03-31T08:31:54 < dongs> lol
2016-03-31T08:31:59 < ReadError> so ill series+parallel them
2016-03-31T08:32:05 < ReadError> 12s 6600
2016-03-31T08:32:20 < PeterM> yeah nah
2016-03-31T08:32:31 < ReadError> why
2016-03-31T08:32:37 < PeterM> 40bajillion connectors, what could go wrong
2016-03-31T08:32:44 < ReadError> nah ill rebuild the packs
2016-03-31T08:33:01 < ReadError> into 6s2p each
2016-03-31T08:33:14 < ReadError> since I cant change 12s
2016-03-31T08:34:16 < dongs> stoner.
2016-03-31T08:34:27 < dongs> I'm looking forward to livestream of you blowing up your shack
2016-03-31T08:34:33 < dongs> by poorly handled lipo batts
2016-03-31T08:34:39 < PeterM> srsly, jsut get like 4x 6s 5000mah packs, they're liek $40 or somethign http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__59056__Turnigy_5000mAh_6S_20C_Lipo_Pack_AR_Warehouse_.html
2016-03-31T08:35:07 < dongs> he doesn't wanna waste all those dumb dronepacks he bought
2016-03-31T08:35:21 < PeterM> flip em on RCG for liek $10 each
2016-03-31T08:35:51 < PeterM> who cares if you bought them for $30, while you're not using them they're sitting on the shelf fuckign themselves
2016-03-31T08:36:00 < PeterM> and eventually they'll be worth $0
2016-03-31T08:36:27 < ReadError> I have like 15 of them ;/
2016-03-31T08:36:56 < PeterM> 15? thats $150 pretty much enough to buiy 4 brand new, 5000mah 6s packs
2016-03-31T08:37:02 < PeterM> perfect
2016-03-31T08:37:02 < ReadError> ill eventually get legit packs tho
2016-03-31T08:37:15 < ReadError> I want to go with the 18650s since they are bit safer though
2016-03-31T08:37:26 < ohsix> the 15 aren't legit?
2016-03-31T08:37:31 < ReadError> less worry about puffing
2016-03-31T08:37:38 < PeterM> get 18650s with pre-spot welded tabs and hten solder them up to bussbars etc?
2016-03-31T08:38:10 < PeterM> if you say you're gonna use the keyclone holders, jsut no
2016-03-31T08:38:16 < ReadError> oh hell no
2016-03-31T08:38:25 < qyx> recently I saw some pictures of a blown ultrafire 18650 cell
2016-03-31T08:38:30 < ReadError> I need to find a nice BMS
2016-03-31T08:38:40 < ohsix> mute plops and blurred v
2016-03-31T08:38:54 < ReadError> qyx yea ive seen some super bootleg ultrafires
2016-03-31T08:39:05 < PeterM> so what are you gonna do with your 18650s?
2016-03-31T08:39:42 < ReadError> hmmmm i should test out these $1.20 ones heh
2016-03-31T08:40:07 < PeterM> yeah, you've got a 4butt charger, jsut do a full charge + discharge and see what oyu get outta them
2016-03-31T08:40:25 < ReadError> ya, powerlabs will graph all the fancy shit too
2016-03-31T08:40:29 < PeterM> discharge at like 1a because that shit aint gonna do 1c you know it
2016-03-31T08:40:35 < qyx>  So far, the moral of the story, and the cliche that may ring true is, don't buy batteries for vaping that have the word "fire" in the name.
2016-03-31T08:40:38 < qyx> lol
2016-03-31T08:40:48 < ReadError> yea, I might end up using them for a portable powerbrick
2016-03-31T08:40:57 < ohsix> oh yea
2016-03-31T08:40:58 < ohsix> shit
2016-03-31T08:41:06 < ReadError> i doubt they have the nuts to be used for anything useful besides that
2016-03-31T08:41:07 < dongs> portable vapebrick
2016-03-31T08:41:24 < ohsix> i've been making fun of 'fire' in battery names for an age, most people _will_ be using them to vape :<<<
2016-03-31T08:41:30 < dongs> short 90C batt into a copper bar
2016-03-31T08:41:35 < ohsix> makes total sense now
2016-03-31T08:41:57 < dongs> heat up that juice
2016-03-31T08:42:48 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Private/n-k3BGh/i-jSHgSdh/0/X3/i-jSHgSdh-X3.jpg
2016-03-31T08:42:58 < ReadError> stoned cutting connectors off once
2016-03-31T08:43:08 < ReadError> knicked both wires ooops
2016-03-31T08:43:09 < dongs> i fucking hate those connectors
2016-03-31T08:43:17 < PeterM> ReadError, 0/10
2016-03-31T08:43:22 < ReadError> shrunk the metal
2016-03-31T08:43:29 < ReadError> made a huuuuggeee flash
2016-03-31T08:43:36 < dongs> not surprised
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2016-03-31T08:44:54 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-qD6Bn6z/0/X3/CA_06071401250087-X3.jpg
2016-03-31T08:44:59 < ReadError> these packs are pretty legit tho
2016-03-31T08:45:12 < dongs> haha the multirotorsuperscam packs
2016-03-31T08:45:21 < dongs> relabeled kympo or whatever
2016-03-31T08:45:38 < ReadError> ya
2016-03-31T08:45:43 < ReadError> well kypom was legit for a bit
2016-03-31T08:45:45 < dongs> BUT CAN THEY HANDLE SUB-OHMIC VAPING
2016-03-31T08:45:50 < ReadError> then they went complete shit
2016-03-31T08:45:54 < dongs> laff
2016-03-31T08:45:58 < ohsix> subomic
2016-03-31T08:46:09 < dongs> you mean like all RC tarsh
2016-03-31T08:46:12 < dongs> thats just relabel of something else
2016-03-31T08:46:25 < ReadError> they fucked postal on a big order
2016-03-31T08:46:30 < ReadError> the previous one had super legit packs
2016-03-31T08:46:42 < ReadError> the next batch the batts got much smaller and IR way higher
2016-03-31T08:46:57 < ReadError> they tried to say "advancements in nano battery technology"
2016-03-31T08:47:10 < PeterM> i'd try to ssay "returning bro"
2016-03-31T08:47:26 < ReadError> yea except when they are chinese and you do a bank transfer
2016-03-31T08:47:28 < ohsix> er did the nippers get ruined at the same time?
2016-03-31T08:47:32 < ReadError> you dont have many options
2016-03-31T08:48:56 < ohsix> gina pizzalini
2016-03-31T08:49:23 < ReadError> ohsix yea they got ruined when i shorted the wires
2016-03-31T08:49:36 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-31T08:49:47 < ohsix> pro cutting
2016-03-31T08:49:55 < ReadError> crt lapse of concentration
2016-03-31T08:50:00 < ReadError> was the 4th pack I did too
2016-03-31T08:50:12 < ReadError> paying close attention to do 1 wire at a time
2016-03-31T08:50:45 < PeterM> ReadError, withthose connector you just twist teh conenctor head and they come apart, then you ahev 2 seperate conenctors
2016-03-31T08:50:47 < PeterM> less fuck ups
2016-03-31T08:50:49 < ohsix> close calls can be good sometimes
2016-03-31T08:51:17 < ohsix> watts
2016-03-31T08:52:31 < ReadError> PeterM well what I was doing was, cutting 1 wire, soldering it to the new connector and heatshrinking
2016-03-31T08:52:38 < ReadError> to make it hard to short
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2016-03-31T08:55:37 < ReadError> hmmm new sourcetree looks nice
2016-03-31T08:57:49 < ohsix> was ist das
2016-03-31T08:58:04 < ReadError> its git for tards
2016-03-31T08:58:09 < ReadError> like me
2016-03-31T08:58:33 < ohsix> what have you not been able to do
2016-03-31T08:58:37 < ReadError> https://www.sourcetreeapp.com/
2016-03-31T08:58:59 < ReadError> what you mean not be able to do?
2016-03-31T08:59:03 < ReadError> its always worked
2016-03-31T08:59:07 < ReadError> they just revamped the UI
2016-03-31T08:59:17 < ohsix> i mean why did you give up on just using git
2016-03-31T09:01:05 < ReadError> i still use git
2016-03-31T09:01:09 < ReadError> i just use the gui
2016-03-31T09:01:18 < ReadError> much easier/faster for me
2016-03-31T09:02:32 < ReadError> makes it really easy to stage chunks and certain files etc
2016-03-31T09:04:47 < ohsix> i love hannibal burress
2016-03-31T09:05:27 < ReadError> ya hes good
2016-03-31T09:06:21 < ohsix> it's like he's not trying
2016-03-31T09:06:41 < ohsix> he could be a genius but he probably isn't; just legit
2016-03-31T09:15:47 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/OpenHab-raspberry/ attn Laurenceb
2016-03-31T09:19:11 < dongs> Note: The sensors on the board are
2016-03-31T09:19:12 < dongs> TSL2561 - Altitude
2016-03-31T09:19:12 < dongs> BMP180 - Temperature and humidity
2016-03-31T09:19:12 < dongs> AM2321 – Light sensor
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2016-03-31T09:33:45 < dongs> http://www.kcttek.com/uploads/soft/LP3220SAB5F.pdf oo
2016-03-31T09:33:46 < dongs> whats this?
2016-03-31T09:34:01 < dongs> LP3220S looks like another common switcher pinout clone
2016-03-31T09:34:29 < dongs> http://www.lowpowersemi.com/english/index.asp
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2016-03-31T09:34:43 < dongs> PeterM: ^ china clones?
2016-03-31T09:35:25 < PeterM> no idea, but i dont see the point of said device
2016-03-31T09:35:45 < ohsix> still loading
2016-03-31T09:35:47 < PeterM> its a 1a capable switcher, max input of 5.5v
2016-03-31T09:38:36 < PeterM> i dun geddit
2016-03-31T09:39:46 < dongs> PeterM: naj ust looking at bom of something cheap and noticed that part on it
2016-03-31T09:39:52 < ohsix> 5k/s
2016-03-31T09:39:56 < ohsix> so pro
2016-03-31T09:40:06 < dongs> pinout compatible w/NCP1521 or whatever shit I use now
2016-03-31T09:40:30 < qyx> I am going to make this usb hub trash compatible
2016-03-31T09:40:36 < ohsix> why haven't you 3d printed dickbutt
2016-03-31T09:40:46 < PeterM> qyx more infos
2016-03-31T09:40:52 < ohsix> i can't believe i didn't mention it when you asked either
2016-03-31T09:40:55 < dongs> trash-compatible usb hub??
2016-03-31T09:41:03 < dongs> do you compact garbage into the USB_A sockets
2016-03-31T09:41:09 < dongs> jam it in
2016-03-31T09:41:13 < qyx> chink made shit
2016-03-31T09:41:22 < qyx> periodically resets all attached devices
2016-03-31T09:41:26 < dongs> yeah
2016-03-31T09:41:28 < qyx> I can't even read an sd card
2016-03-31T09:41:28 < dongs> take it apart
2016-03-31T09:41:31 < dongs> see if PCB is phenol
2016-03-31T09:41:35 < dongs> single sided
2016-03-31T09:41:37 < qyx> yep
2016-03-31T09:41:41 < qyx> already did this
2016-03-31T09:41:48 < dongs> fuckin toss that shit.
2016-03-31T09:42:12 < PeterM> surely there is open usb hub germs + bom on the innernets somewhere
2016-03-31T09:42:14 < dongs> I got a "USB 2.0" hub from delayextreme
2016-03-31T09:42:19 < PeterM> that isnt garbage
2016-03-31T09:42:28 < dongs> they didnt mention it was USB 2.0 FULLSPEED
2016-03-31T09:42:40 < PeterM> u mean FULL SPED\
2016-03-31T09:42:51 < dongs> single sided phenol pcb with 0R resistors to jump traces
2016-03-31T09:42:57 < dongs> and some COB for the hub IC
2016-03-31T09:42:59 < dongs> like $2
2016-03-31T09:43:06 < dongs> but it had per-port power switch
2016-03-31T09:43:08 < dongs> which is why I got it
2016-03-31T09:43:40 < qyx> http://imgur.com/a/v6bjC
2016-03-31T09:43:42 < qyx> you can see yourself
2016-03-31T09:43:58 < PeterM> jesus fuckign aids
2016-03-31T09:44:21 < dongs> nice xtal
2016-03-31T09:44:30 < PeterM> the xtal is rpobably jsut as good as rc lol
2016-03-31T09:44:47 < PeterM> 0 decoupling
2016-03-31T09:45:02 < dongs> C1/C2 looks like xtal load caps maybe
2016-03-31T09:45:07 < PeterM> yer
2016-03-31T09:45:12 < ohsix> superpro
2016-03-31T09:45:13 < PeterM> no decou;pling for hub though
2016-03-31T09:45:20 < qyx> I wasn't even able to use my keyboard while testing that full-bridge inverter
2016-03-31T09:45:21 < dongs> i think theres a cap under that blob
2016-03-31T09:45:29 < dongs> on the host cable side
2016-03-31T09:45:37 < qyx> it was just blinking
2016-03-31T09:45:45 < PeterM> urrite
2016-03-31T09:45:55 < PeterM> there is like a 0805 cap, probably 0.1u
2016-03-31T09:45:57 < PeterM> useless
2016-03-31T09:49:06 < qyx> I made a review clearly stating that
2016-03-31T09:49:15 < qyx> it is still posted in the e-shop with that link
2016-03-31T09:49:36 < dongs> heh
2016-03-31T09:50:40 < dongs> is there such thing as pink leds
2016-03-31T09:51:38 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/panasonic-electronic-components/LNJP12X8ARA/LNJP12X8ARACT-ND/2641775
2016-03-31T09:51:41 < dongs> apparently exists
2016-03-31T09:52:42 < dongs> hmm all non-stock
2016-03-31T09:52:45 < dongs> doesnt exist in 0805
2016-03-31T09:52:45 < dongs> wtf
2016-03-31T09:53:17 < PeterM> dongs yeah, pink LEDs are awesome
2016-03-31T09:53:27 < PeterM> i gvot some from dk a while back, 0603
2016-03-31T09:53:34 < dongs> yeah they're both nonstock now
2016-03-31T09:53:35 < PeterM> they are mad real pink
2016-03-31T09:53:42 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/optoelectronics/led-indication-discrete/524729?k=LED+PINK+0603+SMD&pv7=2&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25
2016-03-31T09:54:05 < dongs> asking chinagirl
2016-03-31T09:54:08 < dongs> what makes htem pink?
2016-03-31T09:54:44 < ohsix> arsenic
2016-03-31T09:54:48 < PeterM> iirc they are orange wiht pink phosphor or somehting
2016-03-31T09:55:44 < jpa-> http://nannystateindex.org/   wow, finally we win something!
2016-03-31T09:56:44 < dongs> what did you win
2016-03-31T09:56:47 < dongs> #1 in e-cigs?
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2016-03-31T09:57:08 < jpa-> most nannystate
2016-03-31T09:57:10 < PeterM> the rohm ones were the ones i got and looked amaze
2016-03-31T09:57:18 < PeterM> so if oyu're asking chinagirl ask for those
2016-03-31T09:58:37 < qyx> looks like I am going to need an inrush current limiter
2016-03-31T09:58:49 < dongs> zerg rush current limiter
2016-03-31T09:59:00 < qyx> those low esr capacitors make good fireworks at 48V
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2016-03-31T10:04:39 < ohsix> 'free'
2016-03-31T10:04:54 < ohsix> they need to rank countries by how free you are to murder people
2016-03-31T10:05:09 < ohsix> otherwise, well, that's just not a free country
2016-03-31T10:05:38 -!- zz_ka6sox is now known as ka6sox
2016-03-31T10:05:43 < ohsix> dongs: http://nannystateindex.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Timbro_logo_gul.jpg
2016-03-31T10:06:13 < dongs> PeterM: thanx, buying reel
2016-03-31T10:06:19 < dongs> she has rohm
2016-03-31T10:06:50 < ohsix> http://timbro.se/en
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2016-03-31T10:10:17 < PeterM> noice
2016-03-31T10:10:56 < ohsix> sotimbro
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2016-03-31T10:18:54 < dongs> huh
2016-03-31T10:19:26 < dongs> this jap circuit review
2016-03-31T10:20:04 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cwDkt8M.png
2016-03-31T10:20:09 < dongs> is this a ghetto linear regulator?
2016-03-31T10:21:11 < dongs> except without any actual regulation
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2016-03-31T10:21:35 < Sync> yeah dongs
2016-03-31T10:21:49 < dongs> whats the point here then?
2016-03-31T10:23:31 < dongs> you can tell i got this shit sent to me by FAX
2016-03-31T10:24:03 < dongs> hmm seems it cleans ripple pretty great
2016-03-31T10:24:40 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Pp6HCPY.png
2016-03-31T10:25:37 < ohsix> google maps integrated ride sharing junk, prices/delays
2016-03-31T10:26:44 < PeterM> the cap on the base means that as the voltage rises and falls on the input to hte transistor, the transistor turns on/off more, the 2k2 is jsut to stop it going nuts
2016-03-31T10:27:36 < Sync> yeah it probably will clean ripple
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2016-03-31T11:00:47 < ReadError> fusion360 is pretty legit
2016-03-31T11:00:52 < ReadError> for being free
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2016-03-31T11:43:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ULJRaI6.jpg
2016-03-31T11:44:49 < zyp> hmm?
2016-03-31T11:45:12 < dongs> pink leds
2016-03-31T11:45:16 < dongs> do you want those on next nfcboard?
2016-03-31T11:45:21 < mitrax_> ahhah
2016-03-31T11:45:24 < zyp> haha
2016-03-31T11:45:39 < zyp> I think I'm good
2016-03-31T11:47:14 < dongs> not as good as you will be with PINK LEDS
2016-03-31T11:47:34  * mitrax_ starts to believe the rumor that dongs makes dildos
2016-03-31T11:47:58 < mitrax_> where else would you put pink leds?
2016-03-31T11:48:01 < PeterM> rumor?
2016-03-31T11:48:07 < PeterM> tru fax
2016-03-31T11:48:52 < mitrax_> is that where the nickname come from?
2016-03-31T11:49:23 < PeterM> no, thats because he is rich vietnamese bussiness man, his irc name is named after his fortune
2016-03-31T11:50:34 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/TYHOKVf.jpg  - i wish my phone camera did it justice
2016-03-31T11:51:25 < mitrax_> oh you too have pink leds
2016-03-31T11:51:34 < PeterM> yer mang
2016-03-31T11:51:37  * mitrax_ is jealous
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2016-03-31T11:56:47 < ohsix> blender artist wuuuuut
2016-03-31T11:57:56 < ohsix> in vietnamese it would be 'dang' and pronounced dong :[
2016-03-31T12:01:28 < dongs> ohsix, getting 22meg/sec consistently writing to 32gig sd.
2016-03-31T12:02:16 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-31T12:02:26 < dongs> (copying 13gb to it)
2016-03-31T12:02:27 < ohsix> heh
2016-03-31T12:02:30 < ohsix> rite
2016-03-31T12:02:30 < dongs> so yeah, not OS cache
2016-03-31T12:02:38 < ohsix> huh?
2016-03-31T12:02:48 < dongs> duno, youwere blogging how shit gets cached
2016-03-31T12:02:54 < ohsix> it does
2016-03-31T12:03:09 < ohsix> it ends up slowing down to an average write rate eventually
2016-03-31T12:03:42 < dongs> well looks pretty stable to me
2016-03-31T12:03:46 < dongs> its moving between 22-24meg.
2016-03-31T12:03:46 < ohsix> you don't seem to have one that can write to flash only at one or two MB/s and rely on the builtin dram for 'speed' to get to class 6 or 10 or whatever
2016-03-31T12:03:50 < dongs> 6 minutes remaining.
2016-03-31T12:03:51 < ohsix> nice
2016-03-31T12:03:58 < ohsix> disable write caching on the card reader
2016-03-31T12:04:04 < dongs> it is
2016-03-31T12:04:12 < dongs> was never on
2016-03-31T12:04:16 < dongs> the 'quick remove' shit is enabled.
2016-03-31T12:04:17 < ohsix> so what are you saying
2016-03-31T12:04:24 < dongs> its working as expected.
2016-03-31T12:04:29 < ohsix> there are cards that don't do that, yea
2016-03-31T12:04:36 < ohsix> and they're mostly sd cards
2016-03-31T12:04:38 < dongs> ic, they probably cost less than $3 tho
2016-03-31T12:05:02 < ohsix> but just about any usb stick you buy at walmart or from corsair is going to be dixxx unless you lay out megabux and they'll still suck
2016-03-31T12:05:08 < dongs> looks like my kikelake mobo + fan landed in jp
2016-03-31T12:05:09 < ohsix> shrug
2016-03-31T12:05:29 < ohsix> send me that one in an envelope and i'll test it, send it back, but i believe you already
2016-03-31T12:05:50 < ohsix> i was talking about what you'd find in a retail store, really, though i didn't mention that at the time
2016-03-31T12:06:35 < mitrax_> yeah most usb stick are shit
2016-03-31T12:07:20 < ohsix> they don't have any ratings like SD cards so everyone is fucking around
2016-03-31T12:08:04 < ohsix> if you get a 16gb+ one it is definitely not going to exist to copy movies to or whatever, it'll be the same as the slow very low end ones with more flash
2016-03-31T12:08:32 < mitrax_> i remember buying a 64GB corsair, that was in 2009 or so, paid like 90 bucks for it iirc and it was so slow i never used it
2016-03-31T12:08:37 < ohsix> it took longer to copy 4 gb to a 16gb sandisk one than to burn 2 dvds the other day when i was giving some stuff to my brother
2016-03-31T12:09:12 < mitrax_> crazy
2016-03-31T12:09:59 < ohsix> yea, but they're also the ones walmart orders like a hundred million of each school year and sell them for 5$/ea
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2016-03-31T12:13:03 < mitrax_> and when you have a ton of small files it takes forever, even with write caching enabled
2016-03-31T12:13:33 < ohsix> yea
2016-03-31T12:13:40 < ohsix> it sucks no matter what
2016-03-31T12:13:54 < ohsix> but if you're going to school and editing a .doc file that's going to be a few megs its acceptable
2016-03-31T12:13:56 < mitrax_> last time i wanted to do a backup of some of my work stuff it turned out to be much much faster to zip the whole thing (in store mode) then copy it to the usb key than copying files directly
2016-03-31T12:14:14 < ohsix> nice
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2016-03-31T12:15:19 < jpa-> yeah, and made even worse by windows disabling write cache by default
2016-03-31T12:15:29 < mitrax_> which is weird, because with write caching you're supposed to achieve pretty much the same thing
2016-03-31T12:15:32 < ohsix> if it sounded like i was saying they all suck or something, then my bad
2016-03-31T12:15:45 < ohsix> jpa-: no write cache actually makes it better, the file copy dialogue is more true for small files
2016-03-31T12:16:00 < ohsix> jpa-: also when that copy is done using the 'eject' thing in the shell will work immediately
2016-03-31T12:16:18 < mitrax_> no he means it's disabled by default
2016-03-31T12:16:25 < jpa-> well, yeah, if you prefer knowing exactly how slow it is, vs. having it be faster :)
2016-03-31T12:16:27 < ohsix> with write caching on if you stack up like 200 megs of io on the disk and try to eject it, you'll be waiting for it all to be written and there's no ui on progress
2016-03-31T12:16:41 < ohsix> if you weren't going to remove it any time soon or power off, yea
2016-03-31T12:16:48 < ohsix> i'm using them to move junk ;D
2016-03-31T12:17:07 < jpa-> yeah, i guess i'm not that big on progress bars, i know that it will be done eventually :)
2016-03-31T12:17:23 < ohsix> think about a normal punter
2016-03-31T12:17:27 < ohsix> they'll just rip it out of the computer
2016-03-31T12:17:52 < ohsix> for a device with such slow flash there's much larger windows for just making it totally defunct by removing it at an inopportune time
2016-03-31T12:18:05 < ohsix> nevermind file contentz
2016-03-31T12:19:25 < jpa-> yeah, idiots will be idiots
2016-03-31T12:19:32 < jpa-> the flashing led helps some
2016-03-31T12:20:00 < ohsix> well, the usb surprise removal problem is why caching is disabled by default on all of them
2016-03-31T12:20:05 < ohsix> double plus ungood
2016-03-31T12:20:50 < jpa-> if one really wanted to fix it, it shouldn't be hard to implement FAT driver so that it first allocates & copies all the files to the free space, and then just quickly writes the FAT tables as the last step
2016-03-31T12:21:23 < jpa-> just before eject or after idle for N milliseconds
2016-03-31T12:21:39 < jpa-> but disabling caching is just a stupid kludge
2016-03-31T12:21:47 < ohsix> if you can get the ftl to tell you where the free space is you're way ahead of the game
2016-03-31T12:22:12 < jpa-> ? what would you care, i mean the filesystem level free space
2016-03-31T12:22:16 < ohsix> disabling the cache has almost no reprecussions if the drive doesn't suck, the writes complete basically at flash speed
2016-03-31T12:22:39 < ohsix> the worst case is you see the copy dialogue slowly tell you the actual write rate and you find out the disk is garbage
2016-03-31T12:23:00 < jpa-> disabling write cache always means bazillion small writes instead of a few big ones
2016-03-31T12:23:19 < jpa-> the fast usb sticks just reimplement write cache on the chip
2016-03-31T12:23:28 < ohsix> not exactly but that is more likely to happen
2016-03-31T12:24:18 < jpa-> (it would also make sense to have more reasonable cache size limit; e.g. for a stick that writes 20MB/s, no point in having more than some 10-20 MB of cache
2016-03-31T12:25:04 < ohsix> that's hard to do :p
2016-03-31T12:25:18 < ohsix> once it goes to the 'disk cache' it's in the page cache and accounting for it stops from the writing program
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2016-03-31T12:25:35 < ohsix> page cache has delayed writeback
2016-03-31T12:25:46 < ohsix> linux tries to do direct reclaim on bios though, dunno what windows does
2016-03-31T12:25:54 < jpa-> it's hard to do if you agree to be locked into the traditional abstraction layers
2016-03-31T12:26:01 < jpa-> bios?
2016-03-31T12:26:04 < ohsix> (basically the program is put to sleep in write() if it exceeds its' dirty page cache charge)
2016-03-31T12:26:17 < jpa-> ah, block ios
2016-03-31T12:26:18 < ohsix> block io issue things in the block layer, they're per device
2016-03-31T12:26:44 < ohsix> you don't really benefit from having a page cache if you have all this extra accounting
2016-03-31T12:26:54 < ohsix> you throw io at the page cache so the writing program can move on
2016-03-31T12:27:21 < jpa-> yet the requirements and purpose of cache is different for removable devices
2016-03-31T12:27:26 < ohsix> there's a block scheduler that can do some QoS and stuff too
2016-03-31T12:27:34 < ohsix> ish
2016-03-31T12:27:40 < ohsix> the only problem is really the bad drives
2016-03-31T12:27:53 < ohsix> if you _accept_ a lot of io that can only be done at 100k/s you're fucked for a long time
2016-03-31T12:28:16 < ohsix> those pages can only come out of the page cache that fast, they're taking up space and you can end up having other programs block because of it
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2016-03-31T12:30:23 < ohsix> even when you're not wasting page cache and already writing it back, you can allocate memory that tries to trim the page cache; that operation will block the program allocating memory
2016-03-31T12:30:43 < ohsix> it's like an IED
2016-03-31T12:31:04 < ohsix> or a minefield, olol; the programs doing a lot of io that touch the page cache are usually the ones you want to keep working too
2016-03-31T12:32:24 < jpa-> why should the OS accept more than e.g. 1 second worth of IO to the cache for removable devices?
2016-03-31T12:32:32 < jpa-> just block on fwrite()
2016-03-31T12:39:33 < ohsix> cuz it isn't accounted for after it hits the page cache
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2016-03-31T12:40:00 < ohsix> and even if you did just block on write you'd still have the problem with anything that might need to evict pages
2016-03-31T12:40:18 < mitrax_> jpa-: well say you open a super large file in photoshop from your usb key you don't want the application to block when you save
2016-03-31T12:40:26 < ohsix> you make it less likely for io overhead that would only make things slightly nicer for extremely bad, throw-them-out devices
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2016-03-31T12:41:19 < mitrax_> jpa-: i mean there are situation where it makes sense to let the OS cache a lot of data even if the device is slow
2016-03-31T12:41:48 < mitrax_> jpa-: any application that rewrites a whole file when saving or that randomly access a large file from a removable device
2016-03-31T12:42:10 < ohsix> basically in an operating system that uses virtual memory we're relying on tons of things that are just optimistic about allocating memory and shit
2016-03-31T12:42:51 < ohsix> also re: limiting write() how do you handle io that comes from mmap
2016-03-31T12:43:19 < ohsix> you map a page range and can touch/invalidate parts of it, that becomes a dirty page that's handled by some write behind page scanner just like regular io
2016-03-31T12:43:39 < ohsix> but i agree
2016-03-31T12:43:42 < ohsix> also that it sucks
2016-03-31T12:43:55 < ohsix> the only valid solution is to not use those devices
2016-03-31T12:44:00 < mitrax_> :)
2016-03-31T12:44:13 < ohsix> even valid is too strong, the only plausible? the only tenable?
2016-03-31T12:44:57 < mitrax_> rational
2016-03-31T12:45:19 < ohsix> maybe
2016-03-31T12:45:33 < mitrax_> reasonable?
2016-03-31T12:46:04 < ohsix> in the future it might be worth doing when the io devices you work with are several orders of magnitude faster or slower than another
2016-03-31T12:47:01 < ohsix> if you can do like 1200MB/s io to a san and you're doing io to a local disk, and the local disk can dirty the page cache, they'll compete eventually
2016-03-31T12:47:31 < ohsix> it won't lock up the computer for what might be minutes like a usb stick but your san throughput will go way down
2016-03-31T12:49:16 < jpa-> mitrax_: are you sure you don't want it to pause until the file is written?
2016-03-31T12:49:29 < ohsix> users won't put up with it
2016-03-31T12:49:57 < ohsix> photoshop at least has progress bars when stuff starts taking a long time, so you can sort of see that the disk is slow and it's not photoshop
2016-03-31T12:49:59 < jpa-> they do, currently on windows by default
2016-03-31T12:50:13 < jpa-> yes, and that's exactly what should happen with my proposal also
2016-03-31T12:50:29 < ohsix> it does when the write cache is disabled
2016-03-31T12:50:44 < ohsix> there's no obfuscation trip through the page cache, there's direct page reclaim
2016-03-31T12:51:05 < ohsix> if a write() goes to a fs that isn't cached that write does the actual io and will put the calling program to sleep
2016-03-31T12:51:15 < ohsix> ghost crt pumper
2016-03-31T12:51:59 < ohsix> :>
2016-03-31T12:52:09 < ohsix> there was a guy that was spamming freenode
2016-03-31T12:52:18 < ohsix> for like a year i linked his nick to my account and would ghost him
2016-03-31T12:52:29 < ohsix> doubt it
2016-03-31T12:53:06 < ohsix> nope
2016-03-31T12:53:07 < mitrax_> kakimir had a snowmobile accident
2016-03-31T12:53:28 < mitrax_> we're afraid he won't make it
2016-03-31T12:53:29 < dongs> just stoner shit
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2016-03-31T12:54:20 < ohsix> puckman
2016-03-31T12:54:22 < mitrax_> jpa-: if i can avoid it to pause each time i save yes definitely, that can be very annoying, same if the program has an autosave feature
2016-03-31T12:55:33 < ohsix> o ya autosave that would suck
2016-03-31T12:55:37 < ohsix> they usually call fsync too
2016-03-31T12:56:10 < jpa-> mitrax_: yet windows chose different, and it seems to be good enough for them
2016-03-31T12:56:21 < jpa-> pretty much every sane autosave does it on background anyway
2016-03-31T12:56:44 < jpa-> and blocking fwrite() when cache grows large is the sanest way to make progress bars work while allowing cache
2016-03-31T12:57:27 < ohsix> the cache size can be nearly all of your memory
2016-03-31T12:58:01 < ohsix> if you have 32gb of memory and a 32gb usb stick, you can probably stack up 15gb of io really easily, if chrome isn't running
2016-03-31T12:58:11 < mitrax_> jpa-: well most of the time given the amount of ram the os has you won't see the progress bar as saving will be pretty much instant if the drive is the bottleneck, the only case where it matters is when you copy files
2016-03-31T12:58:25 < jpa-> ohsix: but why would you want to, make the OS limit it
2016-03-31T12:58:28 < ohsix> there is a thing on linux that they did, they do limit the number of dirty pages in the page cache
2016-03-31T12:58:49 < jpa-> mitrax_: but why would you want that to happen, make the OS limit the cache size so that progress bars work
2016-03-31T12:58:56 < ohsix> it used to be a percentage of memory (and that was fine when you had 32mb of ram) now after a certain memory size it maxes out
2016-03-31T12:59:03 < jpa-> ohsix: but that is constant limit, not adaptive to the device write speed
2016-03-31T12:59:10 < ohsix> make the OS limit it? that memory isn't being used
2016-03-31T12:59:14 < mitrax_> jpa-: eh i don't, i never said the OS should limit the cache size
2016-03-31T12:59:19 < jpa-> mitrax_: i did
2016-03-31T12:59:37 < jpa-> it makes sense to cache 100 MB for harddisc, but only cache 10-20 MB for a slowish usb stick
2016-03-31T12:59:39 < ohsix> the writeback is 'adaptive' in the sense that it can't write back faster than the device will accept writes, there's nothing any party can do about it
2016-03-31T12:59:41 < mitrax_> jpa-: oh i misread sorry
2016-03-31T13:00:15 < ohsix> if you disable the write cache you do not even pay a large penalty for those devices
2016-03-31T13:00:29 < jpa-> says you, i say that the penalty is very large
2016-03-31T13:00:30 < ohsix> what you could do is take a statistical sample of write rates and automatically disable the cache
2016-03-31T13:00:34 < mitrax_> jpa-: well no... once again if for some reason you open a large file from a slowish usb stick you'd be better off with a non limited cache, for me limiting the cache would only makes sense when you copy
2016-03-31T13:00:38 < ohsix> even for some short term
2016-03-31T13:00:57 < ohsix> the devices are complete garbage
2016-03-31T13:01:01 < ohsix> you should throw them out
2016-03-31T13:01:16 < jpa-> mitrax_: when i save to usb stick, i'd rather see the progress bar than have it save to ram and have no indication when it is done saving to stick
2016-03-31T13:01:30 < ohsix> if you want to avoid wearing out something that is complete garbage, and that you should throw out, due to speculation about how the FTL might handle small writes (hint: you have proof it handles ALL writes badly)
2016-03-31T13:01:41 < ohsix> then you are wasting your time on that device
2016-03-31T13:02:00 < ohsix> it doesn't 'save to ram'
2016-03-31T13:02:05 < ohsix> the page cache also caches reads
2016-03-31T13:02:37 < mitrax_> jpa-: yeah but say you have a 50MB file that is randomly accessed very frequently (db or whatever, for the sake of the argument) limiting the cache would make things very slow
2016-03-31T13:03:46 < jpa-> mitrax_: well, first of all, i only mean limiting the write cache; read cache you can have as much as you want; and if you limit the write cache to e.g. what the device can write in one second, i don't think it would slow typical loads much
2016-03-31T13:04:06 < jpa-> but yeah, makes sense more for removable devices than internal harddiscs, though sometimes excessive write caching can be annoying on those also
2016-03-31T13:04:26 < mitrax_> jpa-: yeah but then again data you read back might be data you've just written
2016-03-31T13:04:37 < zyp> dongs, hmm, I just remembered, last time I got stm32l0 from mouser because it was easier than china
2016-03-31T13:04:41 < zyp> did that change?
2016-03-31T13:04:42 < jpa-> mitrax_: so? what does that change?
2016-03-31T13:04:50 < dongs> zyp... probably didnt
2016-03-31T13:05:10 < zyp> dongs, well, I didn't order stm32l0 now
2016-03-31T13:05:27 < zyp> didn't think about it
2016-03-31T13:05:38 < dongs> :(
2016-03-31T13:05:39 < zyp> and neither did you
2016-03-31T13:05:41 < dongs> which mnodel was it
2016-03-31T13:05:41 < dongs> nope
2016-03-31T13:06:12 < zyp> stm32l052c8 IIRC
2016-03-31T13:07:13 < zyp> heh, I should have thought about it when I talked about the order being so cheap that shipping weren't free, last time the stm32s pushed it over the free shipping limit
2016-03-31T13:07:26 < dongs> anyway yeah, shes out already.
2016-03-31T13:07:36 < mitrax_> jpa-: well if you limited the cache for "written" data and those data are read back by the application soon after then it will perform slower, cause at some point you limit what can be written
2016-03-31T13:09:01 < mitrax_> yeah
2016-03-31T13:09:02 < jpa-> mitrax_: sure, it will not appear like it would be running on a ramdisk
2016-03-31T13:09:26 < jpa-> mitrax_: but not sure why you would want it to appear like a ramdisk (could be configurable of course for special cases)
2016-03-31T13:09:45 < jpa-> normal user wants reasonably fast copy of small files to crappy usb stick, while still having working progress bars
2016-03-31T13:10:48 < jpa-> linux default (cache) gets fast copy, but lacks progress bars; windows default (no cache) gets progress bars but is slow for small files; adaptively limited write cache gets both
2016-03-31T13:11:06 < mitrax_> jpa-: *i* would prefer that for performance reasons, but yeah i guess it's a matter of personal preferences
2016-03-31T13:11:22 < jpa-> yeah, i'm fine with linux default also because i don't care about progress bars
2016-03-31T13:11:38 < jpa-> and ohsix is fine with windows default because he doesn't use anything slow
2016-03-31T13:11:51 < mitrax_> :)
2016-03-31T13:13:40 < mitrax_> i guess one thing that could be usefull is a "hinting" feature, so apps in userland can notify the OS of what they're doing and let the OS decide on caching scenarios
2016-03-31T13:14:42 < mitrax_> ok i didn't know that, i code mostly for windows
2016-03-31T13:14:55 < mitrax_> good to know
2016-03-31T13:15:10 < jpa-> mmap() is a pretty big hint that one will be doing random IO, while fwrite() is a hint that one will do sequential IO
2016-03-31T13:15:18 < mitrax_> yes but that only for memory mapped files
2016-03-31T13:15:37 < jpa-> why would you do random io without mmap?
2016-03-31T13:16:08 < zyp> mmap is more than just random io
2016-03-31T13:22:51 < mitrax_> sounds like WriteFileGather() / ReadFileScatter() on windows
2016-03-31T13:22:59 < Lux> any ideas what would be the best way to flash/update multiple f0 controllers via the bootloader and uart ?
2016-03-31T13:23:01 < Lux> i thought of using one shared uart line with protection resistors and 2 gpios (reset and boot pin)
2016-03-31T13:23:14 < dongs> errr
2016-03-31T13:23:16 < dongs> same firmware?
2016-03-31T13:23:18 < dongs> or diffefent
2016-03-31T13:23:26 < Lux> yeah, same firmware
2016-03-31T13:23:30 < dongs> jsut flash them
2016-03-31T13:23:31 < jpa-> do you even need the TX pin for USART bootloader?
2016-03-31T13:23:33 < dongs> only read back from one.
2016-03-31T13:23:40 < dongs> all at once.
2016-03-31T13:23:40 < jpa-> yeah
2016-03-31T13:23:50 < Lux> so i can just broadcast it to all the rx pins ?
2016-03-31T13:24:02 < jpa-> should work AFAIK
2016-03-31T13:24:14 < dongs> jpa, it works great
2016-03-31T13:24:19 < jpa-> you'll probably want to put CRC check in your firmware itself, so that you don't get crazy field failures
2016-03-31T13:24:19 < dongs> up to 10 boards anyway is max i tested.
2016-03-31T13:24:23 < Lux> cool, that makes life easy :)
2016-03-31T13:24:30 < Lux> i only need it for 4
2016-03-31T13:24:34 < dongs> i gang program all my shit
2016-03-31T13:24:41 < mitrax_> ahaha
2016-03-31T13:25:58 < dongs> jpa, no need
2016-03-31T13:26:03 < dongs> it won't boot if it fails to flash
2016-03-31T13:26:07 < dongs> so just repeat it.
2016-03-31T13:26:20 < jpa-> dongs: except if you get a flipped bit just somewhere
2016-03-31T13:26:37 < Lux> doesn't the rom bootloader protocol allready have crc ?
2016-03-31T13:26:41 < jpa-> low probability, sure, but could cause funny things
2016-03-31T13:26:45 < jpa-> Lux: hmm, does it?
2016-03-31T13:27:15 < Lux> i think i saw something in the docs
2016-03-31T13:27:18 < jpa-> looks like it does
2016-03-31T13:27:24 < jpa-> ok, well forget whatever i said :D
2016-03-31T13:29:19 < Lux> yeah, it does an xor checksum
2016-03-31T13:31:02 < jpa-> (not that built-in firmware CRC check isn't a good idea anyway if you deploy a lot of devices.. it is very annoying to debug an issue that turns out to be bad flash)
2016-03-31T13:33:14 < dongs> crypto sign all the things
2016-03-31T13:33:49 < jpa-> to avoid the cloners, yes!
2016-03-31T13:34:03 < dongs> ya sure, died
2016-03-31T13:34:09 < mitrax_> hex charger drama?
2016-03-31T13:34:17 < dongs> looks like zanoforum still up
2016-03-31T13:34:21 < dongs> http://zanoforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=276
2016-03-31T13:34:23 < dongs> im still banend tho
2016-03-31T13:35:09 < dongs> oh
2016-03-31T13:35:12 < dongs> looks like refunded
2016-03-31T13:35:14 < dongs> shrgu'
2016-03-31T13:35:53 < dongs> zanoforum is dead as fuck
2016-03-31T13:35:54 < dongs> last post feb 24
2016-03-31T13:36:15 < dongs> yes, newest feb24
2016-03-31T13:36:18 < dongs> unless im reading it wrong
2016-03-31T13:38:21 < dongs> url???
2016-03-31T13:38:40 < dongs> also site is slow as shit
2016-03-31T13:38:56 < dongs> ah
2016-03-31T13:38:59 < dongs> that general discussion
2016-03-31T13:39:01 < dongs> i was looking @ zano
2016-03-31T13:41:22 < dongs> http://www.hellotrade.com/oakbank-technology/
2016-03-31T13:42:23 < mitrax_> At present we are focusing on tools for Zano and 3D printing.  Where the future leads no one knows.
2016-03-31T13:42:26 < mitrax_> ahahaha
2016-03-31T13:43:17 < dongs> ohsix, he designed + 3d dicked it
2016-03-31T13:43:49 < dongs> thats for the battery
2016-03-31T13:43:55 < dongs> to put the battery in.
2016-03-31T13:44:09 < dongs> you arent thikning innovation
2016-03-31T13:44:14 < dongs> yes
2016-03-31T13:45:06 < dongs> i remember 3D cad screenshtos of the shit
2016-03-31T13:45:15 < dongs> so he didnt just take some random walkietalkie charger case.
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2016-03-31T13:45:48 < CRTT> fuck me right in the zano
2016-03-31T13:46:29 < mitrax_> in your zanhole?
2016-03-31T13:46:38 < CRTT> yeah give it a rodger
2016-03-31T13:49:00 < dongs> rite
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2016-03-31T13:51:08 < CRTT> wtf is that niggerbox
2016-03-31T13:51:57 < dongs> failed cashgrab from dumbs
2016-03-31T13:52:13 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/Charging-Cable-Plug-WLtoys-Battery/dp/B00HMY289S
2016-03-31T13:52:20 < dongs> because this + regular RC charger is 100x better
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2016-03-31T13:53:30 < dongs> thats not even a charging cable tho
2016-03-31T13:53:42 < dongs> thats just to parallel them all, you plug them into regular RC charger
2016-03-31T13:54:03 < dongs> anywayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyz
2016-03-31T13:56:14 < dongs> ya thats it
2016-03-31T14:00:27 < Lux> i got one of those
2016-03-31T14:00:51 < Lux> seems a bit more sophisticated than those cx-10 charge lead with just a resistor in parallel
2016-03-31T14:01:08 < Lux> eh i mean series
2016-03-31T14:02:09 < dongs> nah you need hexacharger(tm)
2016-03-31T14:02:10 < dongs> for $50/ea
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2016-03-31T14:07:59 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Develop-Microcontroller-STM-programming/ $1100 for maybe 30 mins of my time, should I do it
2016-03-31T14:08:37 < dongs> maybe ohsix wanna do it
2016-03-31T14:08:39 < dongs> since he has STM8 warez
2016-03-31T14:08:52 < dongs> get some ebay moneyz
2016-03-31T14:17:13 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/xTDgEGn.png
2016-03-31T14:17:20 < ReadError> the competition
2016-03-31T14:17:36 < dongs> lol
2016-03-31T14:19:46 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/threed-modelling/Design-Product-10091886/
2016-03-31T14:20:36 < qyx> random budget
2016-03-31T14:20:48 < qyx> I would like to have such random budget projects too
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2016-03-31T14:22:55 < qyx> hm, are those inductor cores color coded?
2016-03-31T14:23:14 < qyx> much iron powder cores seem to be yellow-white
2016-03-31T14:24:10 < dongs> what cores
2016-03-31T14:24:28 < qyx> http://www.ebay.com/itm//351571716003
2016-03-31T14:24:36 < qyx> these for example
2016-03-31T14:24:43 < dongs> cockrings
2016-03-31T14:24:47 < dongs> for small cocks
2016-03-31T14:26:54 < ReadError> ohsix bid on it
2016-03-31T14:26:58 < ReadError> earn a quick $1100
2016-03-31T14:27:20 < ReadError> whats to stop these cacks from not paying you
2016-03-31T14:27:29 < qyx> ok, in short, would they be any good at ~150kHz?
2016-03-31T14:27:44 < dongs> ReadError: just you not delivering i guess
2016-03-31T14:28:05 < ReadError> well i mean
2016-03-31T14:28:09 < ReadError> is there some escrow
2016-03-31T14:28:43 < dongs> donno
2016-03-31T14:28:45 < dongs> people just pay me
2016-03-31T14:28:52 < qyx> crt: meh
2016-03-31T14:29:06 < ReadError> on freelancer?
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2016-03-31T14:29:12 < ReadError> what projects you done
2016-03-31T14:29:29 < qyx> I meant nah, not meh
2016-03-31T14:29:53 < dongs> some random pcba and about to get a production order on that stuff, should be like 3k-ish
2016-03-31T14:30:07 < dongs> i have ~1k feelancer profitz currently
2016-03-31T14:31:23 < ReadError> damn not bad
2016-03-31T14:31:37 < dongs> also shipped some stuff last week, should get another +500 next monday
2016-03-31T14:33:41 < qyx> whcih coneň
2016-03-31T14:33:44 < qyx> *which one?
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2016-03-31T15:04:21 < mitrax_> crt: how many exactly?
2016-03-31T15:04:54 < mitrax_> penes
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2016-03-31T15:15:56 < PeterM> qyxxy http://www.catzco.com/toroids.htm
2016-03-31T15:19:08 < mitrax_> that's like... coil porn
2016-03-31T15:19:42  * mitrax_ bookmarks
2016-03-31T15:25:53 < kakimir> herro o/
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2016-03-31T15:33:28 < upgrdman> anyone know if modern bluetooth earbuds are decent? i want a wireless earbud for music.
2016-03-31T15:33:57 < upgrdman> i guess like a bt cell phone headset thinggy
2016-03-31T15:34:14 < XTL> For music, make sure it's a2dp and not just hf profile
2016-03-31T15:34:34 < XTL> At least some headphones (that hvae mics) should be quite decent
2016-03-31T15:35:04 < XTL> Don't know about buds.
2016-03-31T15:35:11 < upgrdman> k
2016-03-31T15:36:13 < ReadError> someone said the in ear BT 'beats by dre' are pretty nice
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2016-03-31T15:39:04 < ReadError> https://www.beatsbydre.com/earphones/powerbeats2-wireless/flash-blue/MKQ02.html
2016-03-31T15:39:05 < ReadError> them
2016-03-31T15:42:50 < kakimir> as far as I know there is no high quality wireless sound especially bluetooth
2016-03-31T15:43:49 < upgrdman> 6hr battery... fuck :( that wont even get me threw a day at work.
2016-03-31T15:44:08 < kakimir> you cant power decent shiet from coin size lipo and have musics for a day
2016-03-31T15:44:19 < kakimir> you have neather
2016-03-31T15:44:39 < ReadError> whats a neather
2016-03-31T15:44:50 < kakimir> neather of which
2016-03-31T15:45:06 < upgrdman> kak: well my bt speaker adapters sound ~perfect. but ya, wireless headphones have sucked for as long as i know
2016-03-31T15:45:31 < kakimir> external power?
2016-03-31T15:45:57 < upgrdman> well i wonder about the phone shitz that use those weird aaaa cells
2016-03-31T15:46:13 < upgrdman> ya
2016-03-31T15:46:51 < kakimir> with external power you dont need to worry about consumption
2016-03-31T15:47:04 < upgrdman> true
2016-03-31T15:47:29 < kakimir> and makes good audio quite inexoensive then
2016-03-31T16:05:28 < zyp> dongs, what would you use for interconnecting stacked pcbs? 18mm distance between boards or so, probably somewhere between 10-20 signals
2016-03-31T16:10:27 < zyp> board space is limited, so I'm thinking perhaps a single row 100mil pth header might be the easiest option to fit
2016-03-31T16:20:20 < PeterM> unfortunately thats the method i usually fall abck to
2016-03-31T16:20:29 < PeterM> most mezzanine connecotrs are really short
2016-03-31T16:24:59 < dongs> yeah, 18mm is pretty crap
2016-03-31T16:25:18 < zyp> I'm also considering dual row 50 mil headers, but I don't really need enough signals to justify that
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2016-03-31T16:26:38 < zyp> I mean, if I had a ton of signals, I'd use 2x25 50mil, since there should be like 900 left over from that time I had to buy 1k :p
2016-03-31T16:26:40 < dongs> zyp, if you are rich, hirose FX23
2016-03-31T16:27:42 < zyp> haha, nah
2016-03-31T16:28:40 < zyp> this is for din enclosure shit, between line voltage board and control board stacked on top of that
2016-03-31T16:29:20 < mitrax_> use a dual row and two pins per signal, for "enhanced reliability" :p
2016-03-31T16:29:29 < zyp> so it'll carry power up, some relay control signals down and SPI or something for energy meter circuit
2016-03-31T16:30:34 < zyp> mitrax_, I could, but it doesn't really seem to have any advantage over simple 100mil headers
2016-03-31T16:30:54 < dongs> put http://www.mixoneic.com/upload/images/img/13/58/57/9.jpg on both ends, then use http://www.connectorfromchina.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/double-row-connector-244x200.jpg between them
2016-03-31T16:31:10 < dongs> cant go wrong!1
2016-03-31T16:31:36 < zyp> haha
2016-03-31T16:31:45 < zyp> that looks like 50mil?
2016-03-31T16:31:52 < dongs> well, i mean just that kinda thing
2016-03-31T16:31:57 < dongs> obv it would be 1.27mm
2016-03-31T16:32:01 < dongs> or whatever
2016-03-31T16:32:09 < zyp> 1.27mm is 50mil
2016-03-31T16:32:12 < dongs> kay
2016-03-31T16:32:21 < dongs> what els would you se it to be then
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2016-03-31T17:13:07 < jadew> holly crap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiEMSkVTHmQ
2016-03-31T17:13:44 < jadew> ah, could be april fools lol
2016-03-31T17:15:15 < kakimir> nice HQ
2016-03-31T17:15:22 < jadew> yeah
2016-03-31T17:16:43 < kakimir> is it really empty?
2016-03-31T17:17:03 < jadew> don't know, not sure how much of what he said is true
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2016-03-31T17:23:17 < PeterM> defs april fools, it is empty though
2016-03-31T17:23:41 < jadew> pitty
2016-03-31T17:25:37 < kakimir> why it's empty=
2016-03-31T17:25:40 < kakimir> economics?
2016-03-31T17:26:08 < dongs> dickstarter startup ran out of cash
2016-03-31T17:26:24 < jadew> kakimir, it's possible the part about the china is true or at least has some truth into it
2016-03-31T17:26:59 < jadew> I remember hearing something about it, but I'm not sure what exactly was outsourced
2016-03-31T17:27:04 < mitrax_> i wonder what's wrong with his face
2016-03-31T17:27:05 < jadew> dongs, did you hear anything?
2016-03-31T17:27:11 < mitrax_> he has a lump on his right cheek
2016-03-31T17:27:23 < PeterM> iirc altium wanted to move their HQ to the US, then it fucked up so they moved to CN (SZ), then to UA, then back to AU
2016-03-31T17:27:45 < PeterM> but by the time they got back to .au thye had too small a team to giv a fuck abotu such a big building
2016-03-31T17:27:50 < dongs> jadew: i didnt actually watch his gay fucking video
2016-03-31T17:27:53 < dongs> fuck eevshitblog
2016-03-31T17:28:06 < jadew> dongs, we were talking about Altium
2016-03-31T17:28:09 < jadew> we know you're a hater
2016-03-31T17:28:19 < dongs> oh that latium hq in australi is empty?
2016-03-31T17:28:21 < dongs> yeah they moved all tochina
2016-03-31T17:28:24 < dongs> and ukraine or osmethign
2016-03-31T17:28:39 < jadew> PeterM, interesting
2016-03-31T17:29:10 < jadew> why did they move so much? taxes?
2016-03-31T17:30:38 < PeterM> nah, jsut to join the cool kids club basically
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2016-03-31T18:05:07 < trepidacious> So is Altium on the way out then?
2016-03-31T18:05:41 < dongs> every kikecad user dreams so
2016-03-31T18:05:42 < dongs> but no
2016-03-31T18:05:51 < dongs> they have a product people actually use
2016-03-31T18:12:48 < PeterM> trepidacious, no
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2016-03-31T18:21:29 < trepidacious> Ah that's ok then, we use it (and kind of hate it but it does the job...)
2016-03-31T18:21:48 < trepidacious> Sounds like the kind of things companies do just before they go out of business though :)
2016-03-31T18:22:39 < dongs> lol theres nothing comparable to altidong
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2016-03-31T18:25:12 < PeterM> trepidacious, nah its mroe of a case of "we have so much money and no idea what to do with it"
2016-03-31T18:25:31 < trepidacious> Nice, well they don't seem to be spending it on making it more reliable :)
2016-03-31T18:26:21 < PeterM> really?
2016-03-31T18:26:28 < PeterM> do oyu keep it up to date?
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2016-03-31T18:29:54 < dongs> i havent had any crashes in 16.x series in a loong time now
2016-03-31T18:30:12 < dongs> nothing like you'd be getting from china-copied SUMMER 2009
2016-03-31T18:32:41 < PeterM> pretty much
2016-03-31T18:33:59 < Sync> hm, is there actually a newer clonered copy?
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2016-03-31T18:35:51 < ReadError> yea
2016-03-31T18:35:54 < PeterM> i think cloneerror uses 16.x.x so that is clearly available for pirating
2016-03-31T18:35:56 < ReadError> its on that rutracker
2016-03-31T18:36:02 < ReadError> ruski site
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2016-03-31T18:45:27 < dongs> not only is readcloner a shitty fucking cloner, he doesnt pay for his tools either
2016-03-31T18:45:37 < dongs> worse than a chinaman
2016-03-31T18:47:55 < Sync> > implying chinaman pays for his tools
2016-03-31T18:51:37 < kakimir> remember to sleep dong
2016-03-31T18:52:52 < dongs> sync, eh, some do
2016-03-31T18:53:12 < dongs> i've seen some sites that actually had "we now have licensed version of <some ee tool>" in the news section
2016-03-31T18:53:58 < Sync> yeah
2016-03-31T18:55:25 < Thorn> a book about living in China. fascinating. http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far-east/564634-working-pilot-china.html
2016-03-31T18:56:21 < ReadError> dongs why do you keep dropping the C word
2016-03-31T18:56:25 < ReadError> its a lie
2016-03-31T18:57:09 < Laurenceb_> Zaha is dead
2016-03-31T18:57:28 < Laurenceb_> no moar retarded UK architecture
2016-03-31T18:59:27 < Rob235> I found a bug on a vaping store's website that let me get stuff free.  I didn't actually think it was going to work but I got 2 things valued at $33 each for free.  I want to tell the company so they can fix the bug but I don't know if I should expect thanks or a fraud lawsuit or some shit. Should I send an anonymous email? should I just ignore it?
2016-03-31T18:59:44 < mitrax_> we told you already yesterday
2016-03-31T18:59:51 < Rob235> I wanted more opinions
2016-03-31T19:00:21 < Rob235> feel free to ignore me :)
2016-03-31T19:00:27 < ReadError> its old, inaccurate and unfunny
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2016-03-31T19:06:26 < dongs> Rob235: get more vape shit.
2016-03-31T19:06:29 < dongs> and get stoned
2016-03-31T19:06:38 < Rob235> haha i knew that would be your answer
2016-03-31T19:08:08 < Rob235> its a very specific bug, can't just add anything I want for free but can still cause problems
2016-03-31T19:08:19 < ReadError> Rob235 mtbaker?
2016-03-31T19:09:04 < Rob235> nope, its a smaller vape shop I think
2016-03-31T19:11:20 < Rob235> basically I preordered something, paid for it in full, when it was available I got an email to log in and complete the order, I did and got an error because I had fully paid or something.  Called em and they said everything was good, package on its way.  I logged in and the item was still in my shopping cart with a price of $0.00 and I could change the quantity.  I made a small purchase and set the quantity of the free item to 2 and
2016-03-31T19:11:20 < Rob235>  a week later I had em in my hands.
2016-03-31T19:11:59 < PaulFertser> Rob235: does that shop have any division in your country?
2016-03-31T19:12:33 < Rob235> yea they are located in my country
2016-03-31T19:13:05 < PaulFertser> Then you'll be safer sending an anonymous mail, I guess. Or do you want some kind of a reward for reporting?
2016-03-31T19:13:37 < Rob235> I'd be good if I could just keep the 2 items and not have to send em back.  I don't care about a reward, just don't want to get in trouble and want them to know about it
2016-03-31T19:14:32 < Rob235> i think ill send an anonymous email
2016-03-31T19:16:06 < dongs> im gonna guess shop owner is too dumb/stoned to notice/care anyway
2016-03-31T19:28:45 < Steffann> Also stop vaping
2016-03-31T19:29:09 < Rob235> why
2016-03-31T19:29:34 < Rob235> its better than smoking
2016-03-31T19:29:54 < Steffann> All one need is lead fumes
2016-03-31T19:30:42 < Rob235> I'm just about down to zero nicotine
2016-03-31T19:31:13 < Steffann> Ok ok :)
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2016-03-31T19:32:52 < Rob235> I need a new show to watch... about to finish sons of anarchy.  never watched it because I didn't think I'd like it but it is a good show
2016-03-31T19:33:46 < Steffann> Never watched it
2016-03-31T19:34:05 < Steffann> The title, motor gangs.. Meh
2016-03-31T19:34:08 < mitrax_> it sucks
2016-03-31T19:34:24 < Rob235> yea thats what I thought but liked the show
2016-03-31T19:34:33 < Rob235> mitrax_: what show do you recommend?
2016-03-31T19:34:47 < mitrax_> Breaking Bad / Fargo / MrRobot
2016-03-31T19:35:03 < Rob235> seen em all except fargo, maybe i'll give that a shot
2016-03-31T19:35:06 < dongs> lol unfunny american tv garbage
2016-03-31T19:35:21 < Rob235> who is talking about comedies?
2016-03-31T19:35:23 < Steffann> Yes lets all do hentai
2016-03-31T19:35:47 < dongs> something doenst need to be a comedy to be unfunny
2016-03-31T19:36:09 < Steffann> One does need to be Dongs to be grumpy
2016-03-31T19:37:39 < Rob235> I want a new show like the wire
2016-03-31T19:38:27 < mitrax_> Rob235: Better call saul if you saw breaking bad, House of cards
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2016-03-31T19:38:47 < mitrax_> Rob235: give fargo a try, it's nice
2016-03-31T19:38:52 < Steffann> Im still not sure i like better call saul
2016-03-31T19:39:04 < Steffann> If i like*
2016-03-31T19:39:15 < Rob235> I'm caught up with better call saul, I just got my gf into house of cards so we just started season 2, I've watched up to season 3, letting her catch up before we watch 4
2016-03-31T19:39:36 < Steffann> So you need more?!
2016-03-31T19:40:11 < Rob235> haha I need a binge show on top of weekly new stuff
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2016-03-31T19:40:38 < Steffann> Soon the spring/summer series will start again
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2016-03-31T19:41:43 < Rob235> yea but I need something that has been out for at least a season or two that I haven't seen.  I always have something on in the background when I'm coding or whatever
2016-03-31T19:42:13 < Rob235> so I've seen a lot
2016-03-31T19:42:40 < dongs> anything that's been "out" for "more than a season" is automatically garbage
2016-03-31T19:42:42 < ReadError> Rob235, the knick
2016-03-31T19:42:51 < dongs> only the best TV gets cancelled into the 1st season
2016-03-31T19:44:46 < Rob235> I watched the first season of the knick, good show, didn't realize season 2 was already done
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2016-03-31T19:46:40 < ReadError> trailerpark boys s10 came out this week too
2016-03-31T19:47:27 < Thorn> so my order of 27 jan 2012 (2513.68
2016-03-31T19:47:27 < Thorn>  rubles total) would cost me 11179.00 rubles now :/
2016-03-31T19:48:16 < dongs> are you getting paid 4.4x more?
2016-03-31T19:49:00 < Thorn> good question
2016-03-31T19:51:32 < Thorn> another order from the same store got only 2.2x more expensive though
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2016-03-31T19:54:47 < dongs> zyp: so watcha gonna do, get L052s again?
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2016-03-31T20:08:31 < zyp> dongs, what's the alternatives?
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2016-03-31T21:18:28 < nn7> Woot! Today I attempt to move from AVR to STM32
2016-03-31T21:21:29 < Steffann> not sure if ##stm32 is a step up from #avr ;)
2016-03-31T21:22:01 < nn7> Why do you say that?
2016-03-31T21:22:16 < mitrax_> YEAH LIKE WE NEED ANOTHER RETARD
2016-03-31T21:22:21 < mitrax_> j/k :) welcome
2016-03-31T21:23:06 < Steffann> You'll figure out soon enough nn7 :P
2016-03-31T21:23:14 < Steffann> but i see you are not in #avr so..
2016-03-31T21:24:23 < nn7> Naa... I've gone in a few times to ask questions but don't typically hang around.
2016-03-31T21:25:44 < lorenzo> haha, people come in here thinking this channel is actually about stm32
2016-03-31T21:25:51 < lorenzo> in fact, it's about stm32, jews and pumping
2016-03-31T21:26:08 < Steffann> and i still have no clue what pumping is
2016-03-31T21:26:20 < BrainDamage> nobody does, no worries
2016-03-31T21:26:34 < lorenzo> it's hitlers' moustache
2016-03-31T21:26:40 < lorenzo> at least that's my interpretation
2016-03-31T21:26:41 < BrainDamage> they just agree that whatever it's here, it's pumping
2016-03-31T21:26:57 < Steffann> oh, ill ask crt again
2016-03-31T21:27:35 < lorenzo> ... meanwhile in #avr
2016-03-31T21:27:36 < lorenzo> <WormFood> Actually, Hitler did a lot of good things. Of course, he is 99.99% remembered for the bad things, that everyone knows about.
2016-03-31T21:28:21 < BrainDamage> that's pretty tame compared to laurenceb's links
2016-03-31T21:31:35 < Laurenceb_> I think we all know what's being "pumped"
2016-03-31T21:33:23 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2016/03/31/intel-ups-the-dev-board-ante-with-the-quark-d2000/
2016-03-31T21:33:30 < Laurenceb_> a truly terrible link from me
2016-03-31T21:33:52 < Laurenceb_> it will make you shake your head in horror
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2016-03-31T21:37:01 < nn7> Any examples for stm32 for beginners? I keep finding tutorials that reference fancy functions that hide the underlying functionality.
2016-03-31T21:37:25 < nn7> Or just a "welcome to stm32, here is a list of commands equivalet to the AVR"
2016-03-31T21:37:51 < BrainDamage> stm32 unlike avr doesn't have a reference toolchain or library
2016-03-31T21:38:03 < BrainDamage> so it really depends what you use
2016-03-31T21:38:29 < Thorn> wow ds1102e has display persistence
2016-03-31T21:38:42 < nn7> I installed openstm
2016-03-31T21:39:33 < Laurenceb_> yeah but embedded x86 is so much easier
2016-03-31T21:39:35 < Laurenceb_>  /troll
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2016-03-31T21:42:29 < lorenzo> nn7: get the files from st micro, plenty of examples for the peripherals
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2016-03-31T21:42:43 < lorenzo> and / or board support package if there's something on it
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2016-03-31T21:48:20 < Thorn> nn7: make sure you have these documents first: (1) ARMv6/v7 ARM and/or The Definitive Guide book (2) stm32 family reference manual (3) datasheet for your stm32 (4) schematics/manual for yor dev board
2016-03-31T21:48:47 < nn7> alrighty
2016-03-31T21:49:21 < Thorn> (bonus points for actually reading them)
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2016-03-31T22:04:58 < nn7> Anybody want a telescope?
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2016-03-31T22:14:00 < nn7> OK. I finished reading the stm32 family reference manual
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2016-03-31T22:15:52 < wbraun> O.o
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2016-03-31T22:22:29 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/SGymS5q
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2016-03-31T22:38:20 < kakimir> Thorn: check "worst place to be a pilot"
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2016-03-31T22:58:52 < Laurenceb_> Paraded as the “modern man”, this species, despite outwardly possessing male genitalia, exhibits prominent feminine features: high-pitched voices, little to no body hair, low muscle mass, round flabby faces, scrawny limbs, thin necks, wide hips and sometimes even semi-developed breasts
2016-03-31T22:58:54 < Laurenceb_> uh oh
2016-03-31T22:59:38 < Laurenceb_> typical irc user
2016-03-31T23:04:27 < Steffann> you know what because it sounds very familiar?
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2016-03-31T23:17:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon_DS_BGT24MTR12_en_V3_2.pdf?fileId=db3a304339dcf4b10139df108e75025b
2016-03-31T23:17:13 < Laurenceb_> this looks nice
2016-03-31T23:17:21 < Laurenceb_> for SAR on a small UAV
2016-03-31T23:21:42 < Laurenceb_> dunno how doable 24Ghz is on FR4
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2016-03-31T23:26:28 < bvernoux> Laurenceb_, I imagine it is awfull on FR4 ;)
2016-03-31T23:26:39 < bvernoux> but feedback is interesting
2016-03-31T23:27:18 < Laurenceb_> looks like 1.3dB per inch for microstrip
2016-03-31T23:27:21 < Laurenceb_> not fatal
2016-03-31T23:28:02 < bvernoux> yes if path is very short shall be fine
2016-03-31T23:28:15 < bvernoux> anyway their ref design is based on FR4 to
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2016-03-31T23:30:28 < bvernoux> Laurenceb_, you are building a radar ?
2016-03-31T23:31:28 < Laurenceb_> not really, just looked like an interesting part
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2016-03-31T23:32:50 < bvernoux> those parts are used in automotive ADAS
2016-03-31T23:33:20 < bvernoux> the best chipset is designed by NXP ;)
2016-03-31T23:33:34 < bvernoux> they are far better than other manufacturer for such things
2016-03-31T23:39:34 < zyp> yeah, my car got a radar and whatnot
2016-03-31T23:42:00 < Sync> I don't like those things
2016-03-31T23:42:44 < zyp> adaptive cruise control is really nice for driving in traffic
2016-03-31T23:43:31 < zyp> it was even one of the features that made me pick the egolf
2016-03-31T23:43:42 < kakimir> better is when everyone don't drive like dicks
2016-03-31T23:44:27 < zyp> uh, if you want to get rid of traffic you have to say «better is when everyone else don't drive at all»
2016-03-31T23:44:34 < kakimir> throttle - brake - throttle - brake
2016-03-31T23:44:52 < zyp> what other option do you have?
2016-03-31T23:45:00 < PaulFertser> Motorbike
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2016-03-31T23:45:57 < kakimir> drive in funland
2016-03-31T23:46:03 < Sync> yeah the adaptive cruisecontrol is ok-ish
2016-03-31T23:46:05 < Laurenceb_> someone needs to make SAR for dronez
2016-03-31T23:46:10 < kakimir> SAR?
2016-03-31T23:46:14 < Sync> but I don't like the emergency brake assist stuff
2016-03-31T23:46:16 < Sync> it sucks balls
2016-03-31T23:46:31 < Laurenceb_> synthetic aperture radar
2016-03-31T23:47:06 < kakimir> oh
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2016-03-31T23:47:21 < Laurenceb_> wow nxp have 77GHz
2016-03-31T23:47:25 < Sync> yeah
2016-03-31T23:47:31 < Laurenceb_> dunno if that is good or bad
2016-03-31T23:47:35 < Laurenceb_> rules out FR4
2016-03-31T23:47:41 < zyp> Sync, idk
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2016-03-31T23:47:48 < bvernoux> Laurenceb_, yes NXP are the most advanced for ADAS
2016-03-31T23:47:56 < bvernoux> 77Ghz rules ;)
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2016-03-31T23:48:08 < zyp> Sync, better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it
2016-03-31T23:48:13 < Sync> no
2016-03-31T23:48:18 < Sync> I don't want to have it
2016-03-31T23:48:22 < Sync> it nearly killed me two times
2016-03-31T23:48:28 < zyp> haha
2016-03-31T23:48:34 < zyp> then turn it off?
2016-03-31T23:48:49 < zyp> at least I've got the option to
2016-03-31T23:49:08 < Sync> I don't want to turn off all the crap I don't need when I get in the car
2016-03-31T23:49:29 < zyp> doesn't it persist?
2016-03-31T23:49:51 < Sync> in the rs6 it did not
2016-03-31T23:49:53 < fenugrec> oh great, and the cheapo 3-4$  F103 boards like http://www.aliexpress.com/item//2042643225.html are probably using rebadged GD32F103 parts
2016-03-31T23:50:16 < zyp> hmm, idk, I haven't tried leaving it off
2016-03-31T23:50:26 < zyp> I don't expect it to kill me
2016-03-31T23:51:29 < Sync> well, it happened to me 2 times, I don't trust it anymore
2016-03-31T23:51:37 < zyp> what happened?
2016-03-31T23:51:40 < Sync> both issues were at high speeds in a long left corner
2016-03-31T23:51:50 < Sync> with a car significantly slower in the middle lane
2016-03-31T23:51:57 < zyp> oh, haha
2016-03-31T23:52:45 < kakimir> what you need 77ghz for?
2016-03-31T23:52:50 < kakimir> jezus
2016-03-31T23:53:25 < Sync> the first time I got nearly killed because the BMW behind me obviously did not expect me to brake at that 240kmh and a clear road
2016-03-31T23:53:34 < zyp> so far I've only managed to trigger mine by almost catching up with a car about to leave my lane
2016-03-31T23:53:51 < trepidacious> Sync: Driving on the right hand side?
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2016-03-31T23:54:08 < Sync> and the second time it was in a damp corner when it did the same thing, nearly lost control
2016-03-31T23:54:11 < Sync> no trepidacious
2016-03-31T23:54:21 < zyp> other car starts moving and will be gone by the time I'm there, but the car doesn't trust that and brakes
2016-03-31T23:54:35 < zyp> or warns
2016-03-31T23:55:12 < zyp> oh, last week I learned that when I brake hard, that triggers the seatbelt tensioners :p
2016-03-31T23:55:45 < Sync> yeah, that can fuck off, I am braking when I want and not when the car thinks it needs to
2016-03-31T23:56:05 < trepidacious> I like those seatbelt tensioners that just slowly ratchet in until you can't breathe. I think it was in a Volvo.
2016-03-31T23:56:23 < Sync> yeah the old pendulum ones
2016-03-31T23:56:55 < zyp> I was overtaking a row of cars, realized I couldn't get past them all before the next corner, so I hit the brake to match my speed to the cars I were next to
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