--- Log opened Sat Jul 01 00:00:09 2017
--- Day changed Sat Jul 01 2017
2017-07-01T00:00:09 < crt> Step 2 ^
2017-07-01T00:00:39 < crt> Spread the good word
2017-07-01T00:00:57 < Teeed> yea
2017-07-01T00:03:02 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FAxxhE5p/IMG_0156.JPG
2017-07-01T00:03:04 < crt> And finally
2017-07-01T00:07:13 < Steffanx> what brings today Cone Repair Technician?
2017-07-01T00:07:53 < crt> Amplifiers
2017-07-01T00:08:02 < englishman> Steffanx: did you send crt a second wafelpackage
2017-07-01T00:08:10 < Steffanx> Ya.
2017-07-01T00:08:19 < englishman> sweet.
2017-07-01T00:08:31 < Steffanx> Yes, like 15gram/cookie
2017-07-01T00:08:39 < crt> Welcome englishman
2017-07-01T00:08:49 < englishman> welcome cone repair technician
2017-07-01T00:09:32 < crt> Ty
2017-07-01T00:18:50 < crt> I could sell sweat to fat cunts on a hot summer day
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2017-07-01T00:32:21 < mitrax> crt: happy fuckin birthday!
2017-07-01T00:34:41 < Rob235> so I cant use my drone as my capstone project. I'm thinking of making two 2-axis arms on both sides of a sheet of paper that can draw one image together. sounds easy enough and just need 4 stepper motors
2017-07-01T00:37:48 < Steffanx> it's crt birthday today?
2017-07-01T00:39:17 < englishman> 🍰🎂🍰🎂🍰🎂🍰🎂🍰🎂🍰🎂🍰🎂🍰🎂🍰🎂🍰🎂🍰🎂🍰🎂🍰🎂
2017-07-01T00:39:44 < Rob235> its not crts bday
2017-07-01T00:40:04 < crt> Sup mitrax
2017-07-01T00:40:10 < crt> 🦆
2017-07-01T00:40:37 < crt> A one armed duck fucker
2017-07-01T00:40:37 < mitrax> Rob235: party pooper! :(
2017-07-01T00:40:52 < Rob235> hah
2017-07-01T00:41:02 < Steffanx> and how does Rob235 know
2017-07-01T00:41:06  * Rob235 doesn't
2017-07-01T00:41:08 < mitrax> crt: nice
2017-07-01T00:41:27 < crt> Ty
2017-07-01T00:41:29 < Rob235> crt, is it your birthday?
2017-07-01T00:41:36 < englishman> oh but tomorrow is  🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 CANADA's 150TH BIRTHDAY PARTY 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
2017-07-01T00:41:46 < crt> Canux
2017-07-01T00:41:50 < crt> 666
2017-07-01T00:41:54 < Rob235> see, I was right
2017-07-01T00:42:21 < Steffanx> he still didnt confirm nor deny.
2017-07-01T00:42:25 < crt> 🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈
2017-07-01T00:42:39 < mitrax>  CATS!
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2017-07-01T00:42:45 < ohsix> sup
2017-07-01T00:43:24 < Rob235> how is canada only 150? 'murica is 2017 years old
2017-07-01T00:43:33 < crt> duck duck
2017-07-01T00:43:41 < Steffanx> Jesus invented 'murica?
2017-07-01T00:43:51 < Rob235> yes
2017-07-01T00:43:53 < Steffanx> or was it a birthday gift.
2017-07-01T00:43:58 < Steffanx> Not a great gift.
2017-07-01T00:44:03 < Rob235> everything is according to 'murica
2017-07-01T00:44:26 < Rob235> temperature F = 0 means whatever fuckin temperature it is in murica right now
2017-07-01T00:44:28 < Steffanx> "Make america great AGAIN".
2017-07-01T00:44:35 < englishman> implying it was once great
2017-07-01T00:44:40 < Steffanx> yes..
2017-07-01T00:44:50 < crt> Jews suck the blood out of a freshly circumcised babies cock
2017-07-01T00:44:58 < crt> Just putting that out there
2017-07-01T00:45:07 < Rob235> and kill babies with herpes
2017-07-01T00:45:11 < englishman> are you callin' me a mohel
2017-07-01T00:45:19 < Steffanx> They suck too hard in your case crt? They sucked your brains out too..
2017-07-01T00:45:27 < crt> Hahahahahaha
2017-07-01T00:45:32 < englishman> them's baptizin' words
2017-07-01T00:45:35 < crt> Lold irl
2017-07-01T00:46:55 < Steffanx> :P
2017-07-01T00:47:22 < crt> :3
2017-07-01T00:49:26 < Rob235> the only hard part about controlling a robot arm is the inverse kinematics isnt it?
2017-07-01T00:49:56 < Steffanx> Just go AI and teach it how to move.
2017-07-01T00:50:12 < Rob235> I was going to use a form of A* for it
2017-07-01T00:51:02 < Steffanx> Just throw the buzz words deep learning in etc. and you are all settled.
2017-07-01T00:51:05 < Rob235> but it wouldn't be optimal because its essentially the traveling salesman problem
2017-07-01T00:52:27 < Rob235> steffan didnt take AI did he
2017-07-01T00:52:56 < crt> I'd do a demonstration. Have the robot arm masturbate you in front of everyone
2017-07-01T00:53:13 < Rob235> ok
2017-07-01T00:53:21 < crt> Then it will malfunction ripping off your penis and throwing it at your supervisor
2017-07-01T00:53:36 < Rob235> hmm no
2017-07-01T00:53:59 < Steffanx> Why that question, Rob235?
2017-07-01T00:54:15 < Rob235> you didnt seem to know what I was talking about, was just wondering
2017-07-01T00:55:33 < Rob235> you could have just as easily been moving on with the conversation but I figured that question would have answered it either way, but instead it lead to more questions
2017-07-01T00:56:47 < Steffanx> i know what you are talking about.. but you have to throw in some neural network, do some deep learning stuff and make it all fancy 2017-ish.
2017-07-01T00:57:00 < Steffanx> A* is too ooold.
2017-07-01T00:57:03 < Rob235> ok :)
2017-07-01T00:57:14 < Rob235> is it? thats the most advanced we got so far in my class :)
2017-07-01T00:57:43 < Rob235> we are only a third of the way in
2017-07-01T00:57:43 < Steffanx> 1968 according to wikipedia
2017-07-01T00:58:43 < Steffanx> https://www.hindawi.com/journals/cin/2016/5720163/ all the fancy pants you need.
2017-07-01T00:59:06 < Steffanx> or whatever google comes up with for "inverse kinematics neural network"
2017-07-01T01:00:52 < Rob235> thats not really the problem though.  the problem is having two arms draw line by line wasting the least amount of time and not bumping into each other
2017-07-01T01:02:22 < Steffanx> Doing it all pre-programmed is not how we do it in 2017
2017-07-01T01:02:33 < crt> Well arms are useless when she can service you with her mouth
2017-07-01T01:02:43 < Rob235> crt is drunk
2017-07-01T01:02:50 < Steffanx> Yes. Or on drugs.
2017-07-01T01:02:53 < Steffanx> sugar.
2017-07-01T01:03:35 < crt> Honestly, 3 hours sleep
2017-07-01T01:03:47 < Steffanx> y sir?
2017-07-01T01:03:50 < Rob235> well thats why I said A*, I could make the heuristic be the shortest path of the marker being in the air
2017-07-01T01:03:57 < crt> Been up since 4.30am
2017-07-01T01:04:03 < Rob235> that doesnt collide with the bounding box of the other arm
2017-07-01T01:04:09 < Rob235> something like that
2017-07-01T01:04:50 < crt> Sounds like you need a zano
2017-07-01T01:05:04 < crt> NOS on eBay for $2000
2017-07-01T01:05:47 < Steffanx> Nah i  was just messing with you mr Rob235. As AI sometimes looks a bit like "oh, dont know how to solve.. just dump in some neural network and train it"
2017-07-01T01:05:49 < Steffanx> and then cant do shit.
2017-07-01T01:06:03 < Rob235> heh i see
2017-07-01T01:06:43 < Steffanx> but teaching it can be fun. Where you record your drawing, and make the arms repeat that :)
2017-07-01T01:06:47 < Steffanx> *training
2017-07-01T01:07:20 < crt> Help
2017-07-01T01:07:21 < Steffanx> but making drawings with two hands at the same time is hard.
2017-07-01T01:07:23 < Rob235> what do you think of my idea as a capstone project though? not fully teaching it or something but just using search functions to find a good, although maybe not best, order to draw
2017-07-01T01:07:42 < Rob235> you think?
2017-07-01T01:07:51 < Steffanx> i dont know what the requirements of such project are
2017-07-01T01:08:53 < Rob235> its a 15 page paper if you do a creative project which this would be, its basically a research project where you come up with some question you can solve related to your field
2017-07-01T01:09:11 < Rob235> its very open to whatever you want to do as long as its somewhat original
2017-07-01T01:09:20 < Rob235> thats why I thought of two hands working together
2017-07-01T01:09:24 < Rob235> havent seen that
2017-07-01T01:11:54 < Rob235> at first she said I could use my drone, but I guess she thought I had something original to add, so she changed her mind, so ive wasted time writing that paper
2017-07-01T01:13:24 < crt> Offer her some other services
2017-07-01T01:13:33 < crt> Stroopwafels make a good bribe
2017-07-01T01:14:12 < Steffanx> that sucks Rob235
2017-07-01T01:14:51 < crt> Wish I could
2017-07-01T01:16:03 < Rob235> shes like yea the drone sounds like a good creative project, 6 pages later she gives me an 80 on my chapter1 draft saying I haven't done anything original... so now im in the process of choosing a new topic
2017-07-01T01:18:11 < crt> Oh
2017-07-01T01:18:54 < englishman> Welcome to STM32 Experts on LinkedIn
2017-07-01T01:18:57 < englishman> elite club
2017-07-01T01:19:10 < Rob235> yessir
2017-07-01T01:19:24 < crt> Make a flying led curtain which reads my quotes
2017-07-01T01:19:46 < Rob235> "CRT: Wish I could suck Rob235"
2017-07-01T01:19:55 < crt> And dispenses zyklon b
2017-07-01T01:20:16 < crt> It has to be shaped like a penis
2017-07-01T01:20:24 < crt> And be black
2017-07-01T01:21:34 < rajkosto> i replaced the alu shitty chyna caps on my sata card with tantalums/ceramics
2017-07-01T01:21:36 < rajkosto> no more hangs/bsods
2017-07-01T01:21:54 < rajkosto> why they do
2017-07-01T01:22:24 < Steffanx> i see im part of that club too, but it seems dead like .. [insert something here]
2017-07-01T01:22:35 < Steffanx> @ mr englishman
2017-07-01T01:23:00 < englishman> cool raj
2017-07-01T01:23:03 < englishman> good idea
2017-07-01T01:23:22 < crt> Replace all
2017-07-01T01:23:32 < crt> Capz
2017-07-01T01:23:47 < crt> 4lyf
2017-07-01T01:24:05 < crt> Brooooo
2017-07-01T01:24:14 < Steffanx> *mate
2017-07-01T01:24:28 < crt> Ya
2017-07-01T01:24:37 < Steffanx> You know you are acting like a Facken Teapot right now uh?
2017-07-01T01:24:48 < crt> I wanna know
2017-07-01T01:25:13 < crt> Feed crt innovation
2017-07-01T01:25:30 < englishman> make ##stm32 great again
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2017-07-01T01:27:03 < Steffanx> motivation :D
2017-07-01T01:27:10 < Steffanx> and innovation
2017-07-01T01:27:18 < Steffanx> need more crt?
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2017-07-01T01:31:54 < crt> Lel
2017-07-01T01:38:11 < crt> Dingo pups
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2017-07-01T01:38:38 < crt> And more terrariZsts in Sydney au
2017-07-01T01:38:49 < crt> Today's nooz
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2017-07-01T01:58:10 < englishman> https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51252.0
2017-07-01T01:58:13 < englishman> no stm32 keyboard
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2017-07-01T02:14:33 < ohsix> nice
2017-07-01T02:14:50 < ohsix> party finally started
2017-07-01T02:15:16 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NgF1kD36/IMG_0392.PNG
2017-07-01T02:16:09 < crt> Stm32 related
2017-07-01T02:17:34 < kOStiX> anyone know when the stm32H series will start selling?
2017-07-01T02:22:26 < Laurenceb_> H series looks actually more useful than F7
2017-07-01T02:22:34 < Laurenceb_> I mean F4
2017-07-01T02:22:40 < Laurenceb_> F7 is annoying
2017-07-01T02:24:02 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WPfdTuUlkQ
2017-07-01T02:24:25 < upgrdman> dafuq's stm32h?
2017-07-01T02:24:42 < kOStiX> 400mhz stm32s
2017-07-01T02:24:53 < kOStiX> f7 is not bad
2017-07-01T02:25:06 < kOStiX> im working on a project which will run on f7 eventually
2017-07-01T02:30:09 < Laurenceb_> thing about f7 is that its superscalar
2017-07-01T02:30:20 < Laurenceb_> and not much faster than f4
2017-07-01T02:30:31 < Laurenceb_> so annoying to write thumb2 for
2017-07-01T02:30:59 < Laurenceb_> meanwhile f4 can do really nice dsp stuff very fast with handwritten asm
2017-07-01T02:31:22 < Laurenceb_> stm32h you can probably just throw c at it and it will pwn f4
2017-07-01T02:32:44 < Rob235> OI
2017-07-01T02:33:31 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elggk2SmieU music times
2017-07-01T02:34:21 < kOStiX> yah im doing C on f4 now
2017-07-01T02:34:52 < Rob235> me two
2017-07-01T02:35:07 < Rob235> my drone fc is written in c for the f4
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2017-07-01T02:36:30 < kOStiX> yeah
2017-07-01T02:36:34 < kOStiX> can always do inline asm hehe
2017-07-01T02:36:40 < kOStiX> if necesary
2017-07-01T02:36:57 < Rob235> nop nop
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2017-07-01T02:42:31 < Laurenceb_> thumb2 asm is pleasant to use
2017-07-01T02:42:43 < Laurenceb_> managing registers is a bit of a pain tho
2017-07-01T02:44:21 < Rob235> whats the difference from using a max7219 vs a tlc5940
2017-07-01T02:44:24 < Rob235> for a led cube
2017-07-01T02:45:03 < Rob235> whats the best option
2017-07-01T02:45:12 < Rob235> for a 8x8 rgb
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2017-07-01T03:21:28 < sync> > 17.99CAD for sauce with cheese
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2017-07-01T03:41:14 < Rob235> Steffanx: https://youtu.be/NMUUl-EEYqs
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2017-07-01T05:07:57 < branjb> what do systems engineers do?
2017-07-01T05:07:59 < branjb> seems vague
2017-07-01T05:08:02 < branjb> firmware/hardware/memeware?
2017-07-01T05:18:07 < scrts> define systems
2017-07-01T05:18:23 < scrts> basically writes requirements for the systems
2017-07-01T05:18:30 < branjb> that sounds terrible
2017-07-01T05:18:39 < scrts> then each department takes their portion
2017-07-01T05:18:44 < scrts> hw, sw, mech, etc
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2017-07-01T05:19:47 < branjb> https://pastebin.com/7FViqn5L
2017-07-01T05:19:51 < branjb> that's the job description
2017-07-01T05:20:14 < branjb> so systems engineer = no actual engineering, just management stuff?
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2017-07-01T05:24:01 < emeb_mac> depends on the company
2017-07-01T05:24:38 < emeb_mac> when I worked at a gov't contractor the systems engrs were the guys who knew all the top-level stuff
2017-07-01T05:24:56 < emeb_mac> responsible for pulling everything together
2017-07-01T05:24:58 < branjb> so the guys who got blamed when the overall design was a failure
2017-07-01T05:25:04 < emeb_mac> exactly
2017-07-01T05:25:13 < emeb_mac> it was a pretty responsible position
2017-07-01T05:25:13 < branjb> sounds shitty
2017-07-01T05:25:25 < emeb_mac> most of them had PhDs
2017-07-01T05:25:30 < branjb> wtf
2017-07-01T05:25:50 < branjb> why would a company want a BS with 2 years of experience as a systems engineer
2017-07-01T05:26:05 < emeb_mac> different kind of company
2017-07-01T05:26:13 < emeb_mac> or else these positions are for grunts
2017-07-01T05:26:47 < emeb_mac> the guys who get to spend all their time in MS Word formatting the documents that the eggheads do
2017-07-01T05:27:36 < branjb> the pay is decent vs the experience required
2017-07-01T05:27:47 < branjb> ~$85k to do word formatting?
2017-07-01T05:27:56 < emeb_mac> Hah - Raytheon Tucson.
2017-07-01T05:28:05 < emeb_mac> my back yard
2017-07-01T05:28:13 < branjb> you live there?
2017-07-01T05:28:27 < emeb_mac> Phoenix area - just a couple hours away
2017-07-01T05:28:37 < emeb_mac> Tucson is a nice place.
2017-07-01T05:28:44 < branjb> ah, yeah, i'm targeting jobs @ tucson and phoenix
2017-07-01T05:29:17 < branjb> preference towards Tucson but Raytheon seems to be the main employer there
2017-07-01T05:29:40 < emeb_mac> I've known a bunch of folks who came thru there.
2017-07-01T05:30:02 < emeb_mac> Never heard anything horrible about it, but they seem to have trouble with retention.
2017-07-01T05:30:26 < branjb> I put in a ton of interviews with companies in Phoenix with barely any bites, applied to 4-5 raytheon postings and got non stop phone interviews
2017-07-01T05:30:33 < emeb_mac> I used to work @ Motorola Gov't in Scottsdale. That's part of General Dynamics now.
2017-07-01T05:30:43 < branjb> it seems like a good company to start a career
2017-07-01T05:30:48 < emeb_mac> Probably true
2017-07-01T05:31:07 < emeb_mac> There's also a lot of Honeywell in PHX area
2017-07-01T05:31:34 < emeb_mac> and of course Intel - I was there for a few years too.
2017-07-01T05:31:44 < branjb> I work for a contractor that works for Intel right now
2017-07-01T05:31:49 < branjb> seems like a terrible company to work for
2017-07-01T05:31:50 < branjb> shit morale
2017-07-01T05:32:00 < emeb_mac> I'm glad to be away from there
2017-07-01T05:32:44 < emeb_mac> very much geared for type-A climbers
2017-07-01T05:33:22 < ds2> hmm
2017-07-01T05:33:30 < branjb> most of the honeywell jobs I saw were for more experienced candidates than me
2017-07-01T05:33:54 < ds2> emeb_mac: do you still use stoves? or can you just cookfood by bringing it outside now? :D
2017-07-01T05:33:54 < emeb_mac> could be
2017-07-01T05:33:57 < aandrew> I'd love to get a nice fat contracting gig with honeywell. That's where all the avionics/aerospace end up
2017-07-01T05:34:03 < emeb_mac> ds2: lol
2017-07-01T05:34:27 < emeb_mac> ds2: I get those take-home uncooked pizzas. By the time I drive home they're done.
2017-07-01T05:34:49 < ds2> emeb_mac: saw the plane grounding at sky harbor
2017-07-01T05:35:05 < emeb_mac> ds2: yeah, heard about that. Not sure what the reasons were.
2017-07-01T05:35:24 < ds2> emeb_mac: those planes were not rated for operation above like 113F
2017-07-01T05:36:04 < emeb_mac> ds2: weird. back in 1992 when temp hit 122F they grounded 'em cause the takeoff length tables stopped at 120F
2017-07-01T05:36:22 < emeb_mac> but they extended the tables to 140F IIRC
2017-07-01T05:38:31 < ds2> hehe
2017-07-01T05:38:57 < emeb_mac> ds2: you been out this way lately?
2017-07-01T05:39:23 < ds2> emeb_mac: no... closest was LA/SD area
2017-07-01T05:39:38 < emeb_mac> ds2: you still have family out here?
2017-07-01T05:39:52 < ds2> emeb_mac: yep...seem to wind up there around xmas time
2017-07-01T05:40:07 < emeb_mac> ds2: good choice - best time to visit
2017-07-01T05:40:34 < ds2> emeb_mac: I been there at all times of the year... the only time I objected to was Sep
2017-07-01T05:40:47 < emeb_mac> ds2: too stormy / dusty / muggy?
2017-07-01T05:41:04 < ds2> emeb_mac: muggy was the killer and I am from the midwest
2017-07-01T05:41:14 < englishman> sync: no its a cake baked to look like poutine
2017-07-01T05:41:32 < emeb_mac> ds2: yep - me too. grew up in Ohio and monsoon here is killer
2017-07-01T05:42:02 < ds2> July really isn't that bad
2017-07-01T05:42:33 < emeb_mac> ds2: you still doing stuff with omap / beagle community?
2017-07-01T05:42:46 < englishman> emeb_mac: lolk eggheads spend the time to do everything nice in latex, managers copypaste into word and powerpoint documents with sparkle wipe transitions
2017-07-01T05:43:24 < emeb_mac> englishman: true dat
2017-07-01T05:43:26 < ds2> emeb_mac: yes but I am expanding to other big ARMs (cortex-a's)
2017-07-01T05:43:38 < emeb_mac> ds2: cool.
2017-07-01T05:43:59 < emeb_mac> ds2: is it possible to do bare-metal (no OS) stuff on those big ARMs?
2017-07-01T05:44:18 < ds2> emeb_mac: strictly speaking, sure... i call it the boot loader ;)
2017-07-01T05:44:43 < emeb_mac> ds2: heh - just get a copy of u-boot and rewrite it to do whatever?
2017-07-01T05:44:55 < ds2> but a lot of the blocks on there are a pain to configure w/o using the vendor code
2017-07-01T05:45:10 < emeb_mac> ds2: ah, true.
2017-07-01T05:45:18 < ds2> emeb_mac: or use u-boot to launch it... for simple stuff, look at SPL (it runs in SRAM so no DDR to configure)
2017-07-01T05:46:01 < emeb_mac> ds2: I'd love to have access to the speed & features of a cortex A
2017-07-01T05:46:17 < emeb_mac> ds2: but I hate having to deal with linux
2017-07-01T05:46:18 < ds2> emeb_mac: the M7 isn't that far behind the smaller A's
2017-07-01T05:46:30 < emeb_mac> ds2: yeah - that's what I'm using now
2017-07-01T05:46:34 < ds2> i find all the init work on the M's very tedious
2017-07-01T05:46:48 < emeb_mac> ds2: eh - that's easy!
2017-07-01T05:47:10 < emeb_mac> ds2: I just use HAL
2017-07-01T05:47:26 < ds2> easy? in the last 24 months, I had to deal with more variants of the M's then I have fingers and toes :(
2017-07-01T05:47:35 < ds2> every @#$#!@#!@# vendor wants to do something different
2017-07-01T05:47:47 < emeb_mac> ds2: well, that's true.
2017-07-01T05:48:09 < emeb_mac> ds2: every platform is different. I just stick with ST
2017-07-01T05:48:26 < emeb_mac> ds2: tried to puzzle out Atmel a while back - what a clusterfuck
2017-07-01T05:48:33 < ds2> nordic has their style of doing things.... then Atmel does something different (good luck deviating)... ST's different family has irritating differences
2017-07-01T05:49:01 < ds2> then fun with NXP
2017-07-01T05:49:44 < ds2> Atmel is just plain odd...even their families are vasty different :(
2017-07-01T05:49:59 < emeb_mac> ds2: and now they're owned by MCHP so things will get worse. :)
2017-07-01T05:50:31 < ds2> had to pleasure of getting support for their BLE solution
2017-07-01T05:51:24 < ds2> but MCHP's PIC32 is starting to get interesting
2017-07-01T05:51:25 < emeb_mac> Bet that was "fun"
2017-07-01T05:51:43 < emeb_mac> eh - PIC32... Messed with that a few years ago
2017-07-01T05:51:55 < ds2> summerize as : Use ASF or you are on your own
2017-07-01T05:52:01 < emeb_mac> the stuff they had back then was massively underpowered
2017-07-01T05:52:24 < emeb_mac> they were trying to swap in PIC32 for PIC24 and the performance was worse
2017-07-01T05:52:36 < aandrew> what is making them "start ot get interesting" ?
2017-07-01T05:52:51 < ds2> the new ones run Linux :D
2017-07-01T05:52:52 < emeb_mac> haven't looked at it since then, but apparently they've got some new architectures that aren't so hamstrung
2017-07-01T05:53:04 < ds2> single chip MIPS
2017-07-01T05:53:06 < aandrew> I happily avoid their proprietary compilers (rebranded gcc for PIC32 IIRC) and MPLAB
2017-07-01T05:53:17 < aandrew> meh
2017-07-01T05:53:29 < aandrew> running linux isn't some awesome thing to me anymore
2017-07-01T05:53:42 < ds2> well.. it pays the bills
2017-07-01T05:53:46 < ds2> :D
2017-07-01T05:53:48 < aandrew> it's neat, but that's about it
2017-07-01T05:54:03 < aandrew> ds2: sure, I've made a metric shitload of money writing drivers and designing hardware that runs linux
2017-07-01T05:55:01 < ds2> the other objection to the smaller ARMs is programmers
2017-07-01T05:55:20 < ds2> it is so nice to just use a uSD card on the Linux stuff
2017-07-01T05:55:41 < aandrew> Hm, I prefer a JTAG/SWD to swapping out SD cards all the time
2017-07-01T05:55:48 < emeb_mac> SWD is great
2017-07-01T05:55:57 < emeb_mac> a lot less hassle than swapping SD cards
2017-07-01T05:56:12 < aandrew> that and fucking around with buildroot/OE/Yocto/whatever really chaps my ass
2017-07-01T05:56:13 < ds2> i find it a lot of more hassle
2017-07-01T05:56:29 < ds2> half the time I have to power cycle to get the SWD bus to attach
2017-07-01T05:56:41 < aandrew> it seems it's constantly in flux, docuentation is worse than nonexistent, it's *wrong*, and there's always one more layer of bullshit to just getting your app in the fucking build
2017-07-01T05:56:46 < ds2> OE/yocto isn't that bad
2017-07-01T05:56:48 < emeb_mac> hmmm - haven't had to cycle power
2017-07-01T05:56:51 < aandrew> fuck yeah it is
2017-07-01T05:57:20 < aandrew> I want my shitty little uitl, do_shit, to be added to the build
2017-07-01T05:57:33 < ds2> oh and jlinks don't like me power cycling stuff underneath it either
2017-07-01T05:57:58 < emeb_mac> I just use st-link & openocd
2017-07-01T05:58:02 < emeb_mac> works fine
2017-07-01T05:58:07 < ds2> aandrew: it is just one giant python script
2017-07-01T05:58:08 < aandrew> now i have to fuck around playing the OE/Yocto shell game of which fucking build env vars do I have to set correctly to get the shit I need, screw around with dependencies if necessary and so on
2017-07-01T05:58:19 < ds2> emeb_mac: to be fair, it as an nRF51 so no st-link
2017-07-01T05:58:19 < aandrew> ds2: yeah that sounds like *such* a great idea
2017-07-01T05:58:20 < aandrew> damn
2017-07-01T05:58:23 < aandrew> I'm starting to sound like dongs
2017-07-01T05:58:31 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-07-01T05:58:33 < ds2> it was an....
2017-07-01T05:58:34 < aandrew> ds2: yeah jlinks don't like that for sure
2017-07-01T05:58:39 < emeb_mac> happens if you hang out here too long
2017-07-01T05:58:50 < aandrew> nah
2017-07-01T05:59:03 < aandrew> I just got a 5 cpu system correctly working
2017-07-01T05:59:09 < aandrew> I'm a little burned out
2017-07-01T05:59:09 < ds2> st-links have other irritations... at least the ones on the discovery
2017-07-01T05:59:17 < aandrew> lots of inter-cpu bullshit debugging
2017-07-01T05:59:38 < emeb_mac> everything has irritations
2017-07-01T05:59:47 < aandrew> NXP (I'm not writing code for it) talks to an nRF51822 for a wireless link to another nRF51822 that talks to a Sharc whcih talks to a PC
2017-07-01T06:00:03 < emeb_mac> but the st-links on nucleos are pretty good - I like the built-in serial ports.
2017-07-01T06:00:05 < ds2> of all the programmers, the PSoC3/5 stuff seems to be the most robust
2017-07-01T06:00:10 < emeb_mac> great for printf() debugging
2017-07-01T06:00:16 < aandrew> and the sharc code is a prime example of bjarne stroustrup's wet dream
2017-07-01T06:00:41 < emeb_mac> I'd like to try sharc sometime
2017-07-01T06:00:42 < aandrew> the NXP is a USB device, but the nrf has only one uart and it's talking to the NXP over it
2017-07-01T06:00:53 < emeb_mac> but the $4k cost of devtools puts me off
2017-07-01T06:01:14 < aandrew> so I wrote a "mcucom" library which is a stupid simple proc- and comm-independent way to have two procs talk to each other
2017-07-01T06:01:36 < ds2> more accurately, the nrf can have only 1 uart in use
2017-07-01T06:01:44 < ds2> the pin mux can be used to move it around
2017-07-01T06:01:54 < emeb_mac> ewwww
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2017-07-01T06:01:58 < aandrew> so NXP-nRF talk UART but nRF has no way to give me debugging output, so I retargeted stdio on it so I can printf() to the NXP over my mcucom library and it spits it out the USB UART
2017-07-01T06:02:07 < aandrew> ds2: yeah, but that doesn't help
2017-07-01T06:02:31 < aandrew> ds2: I can't disconnect the NXP to print debug info becuase this is a realtime system
2017-07-01T06:02:34 < ds2> aandrew: SEGGER_RTT
2017-07-01T06:02:53 < aandrew> ds2: haven't used RTT but nRF has no SWO
2017-07-01T06:03:09 < aandrew> anyway -- so I got printf() going thorugh my mcucom so I can spit debug out that way which works great
2017-07-01T06:03:09 < ds2> aandrew: it doesn't use SWO...just the plain SWD
2017-07-01T06:03:21 < aandrew> then on the sharc side... jesus fuck is that code awful
2017-07-01T06:03:24 < aandrew> it's C++ DSP
2017-07-01T06:04:12 < aandrew> FuckingCamelCaseLongClassNameBullshitManager needs to talk to GenericCommClass which then has a GenericSPICommClass which instantiates a SpiSlaveInterface
2017-07-01T06:04:20 < emeb_mac> heh
2017-07-01T06:04:26 < aandrew> and of course this si the most fucked up SPI you can imagine
2017-07-01T06:04:27 < aandrew> get this
2017-07-01T06:04:41 < aandrew> so Sharc is a pretty decent mover... but they crippled the SPI port on DMA
2017-07-01T06:04:43 < emeb_mac> ADI spi is often strange
2017-07-01T06:04:49 < aandrew> you can only DMA in ONE FUCKING DIRECTION
2017-07-01T06:05:01 < emeb_mac> weird!
2017-07-01T06:05:14 < emeb_mac> like 80% of ADI spi parts are bidir
2017-07-01T06:05:16 < aandrew> so to get around this they decided to add two GPIO lines so the SPI FUCKING SLAVE uses GPIO to signal the SPI master as to which direction it wants the SPI transfer to go
2017-07-01T06:05:34 < aandrew> and the whole thing is C++ like I said, with uCOS-III threading bullshit
2017-07-01T06:05:38 < aandrew> so they have a SPI class like I said
2017-07-01T06:05:55 < emeb_mac> lol
2017-07-01T06:06:08 < aandrew> and it's entire purpose is to BlockingRead() which sets up the GPIO to say "spi slave wants master to write data to it" and then spin on a semaphore
2017-07-01T06:06:25 < aandrew> the interrupt handler decrements the semaphore when the DMA completes
2017-07-01T06:06:31 < emeb_mac> OK - you convinced me that sharc is dumb
2017-07-01T06:06:35 < aandrew> it's entirely fucking stupid
2017-07-01T06:06:55 < aandrew> no sharc isn't bad. the ppeople who programmed this took a 101 level C++ course and said LET"S FUCKING CLASS ALL THE FUCKING THINGS
2017-07-01T06:07:13 < aandrew> and they think they know comms so wrote this retarded fucking protocol
2017-07-01T06:07:18 < aandrew> anyway
2017-07-01T06:07:20 < emeb_mac> yeah but - unidirectional spi? no thx
2017-07-01T06:07:25 < aandrew> emeb_mac: oh yeah
2017-07-01T06:07:32 < aandrew> I was like "NOWAI" but it's right there in the RM
2017-07-01T06:07:51 < emeb_mac> well, at least their I2S ports are full duplex
2017-07-01T06:07:57 < aandrew> and their (ADI's) solution: select a direction for DMA and use PIO to send/receive in the other direction
2017-07-01T06:08:05 < aandrew> the mind boggles
2017-07-01T06:08:32 < aandrew> it's a DSP capable of 2ns/tap FIR/IIR filters, four-port access to itnernal RAM, this thing is designed to fucking crunch through data
2017-07-01T06:08:59 < aandrew> but they crippled the second fastest and the most popular method of getting data in/out of it
2017-07-01T06:09:04 < emeb_mac> aandrew: does it have > 1 SPI port? can you slave one to RX and another to master TX?
2017-07-01T06:09:15 < aandrew> emeb_mac: if I had control of the hardware I was thinking of doing that
2017-07-01T06:09:20 < aandrew> but it's a fixed system at this poitn
2017-07-01T06:09:23 < aandrew> I was just told "make it work, yo"
2017-07-01T06:09:27 < emeb_mac> grumble
2017-07-01T06:09:44 < aandrew> these last two weeks I've been billing them just shy of $8k/wk to do this shit
2017-07-01T06:09:48 < emeb_mac> so the CPU has to get tied up servicing the other direction of SPI
2017-07-01T06:10:04 < emeb_mac> aandrew: KA-CHING!
2017-07-01T06:10:15 < aandrew> emeb_mac: that doesn't matter... the CPU is tied up with vtable lookups and other C++ bullshit, the thing *crawls* due to shit programming
2017-07-01T06:10:33 < emeb_mac> i'll bet
2017-07-01T06:11:24 < aandrew> anywy... NXP talk to Nordic talk to Nordic talk to Sharc talk to PC... write a simple inter-cpu comm library that I ended up not being able to use on Sharc because their code's so fucking brittle, and then wrote a wireless comm library that sits on top of gazell
2017-07-01T06:11:30 < aandrew> that works really nice, I have to admit
2017-07-01T06:11:39 < aandrew> work even better once I can ditch gazell
2017-07-01T06:11:53 < aandrew> but get it working first, get paid, then give them the razzle dazzle
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2017-07-01T06:18:58 < ds2> that isn't SPI
2017-07-01T06:19:06 < ds2> SPI is bidirectional
2017-07-01T06:23:02 < emeb_mac> well, to be fair the SPI port is bidirectional
2017-07-01T06:23:07 < emeb_mac> but the DMA isn't
2017-07-01T06:23:32 < emeb_mac> so you can DMA one way but you have to PIO the other if the data is bidir
2017-07-01T06:25:19 < aandrew> yep
2017-07-01T06:25:36 < aandrew> to get around it they use two GPIO handshake lines so the *slave* tells the master which direction it wants to talk
2017-07-01T06:25:39 < aandrew> so fucking stupid
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2017-07-01T08:12:27 < ReadErr> https://asdfg.me/oscistudio/
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2017-07-01T08:56:02 < englishman> holy shit, canada really did spend $200k on a giant rubber duck from the netherlands http://i.imgur.com/DTF8L0N.jpg
2017-07-01T08:59:16 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/xFajSfe.jpg
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2017-07-01T09:50:34 < crt> CRT
2017-07-01T09:52:03 < crt> All work and no irc makes crt a dull pumper
2017-07-01T09:59:28 < crt> Any cool people on
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2017-07-01T10:05:37 < Thorn> I ordered 100 pcbs (a 10x10 panel with v-cuts) from http://rezonit.ru/, they sent me 2 panels lol wtf
2017-07-01T10:11:44 < ds2> maybe only 50% of it is good ;)
2017-07-01T10:14:09 < Thorn> I will find out soon enough
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2017-07-01T10:26:46 < Steffanx> Eat a waffle crt
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2017-07-01T10:27:54 < Steffanx> Lol englishman
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2017-07-01T11:59:02 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyuuwpBHl3_-bYNGcTTZ0vw/videos
2017-07-01T11:59:38 < ohsix> this is great but i've go tno chance linking to it anywhere but on irc
2017-07-01T12:00:25 < ohsix> ReadErr: nice @ oscistudio
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2017-07-01T12:03:04 < ohsix> dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMx4ZN3cRso
2017-07-01T12:06:01 < ohsix> ReadErr: heh the characteristic change when you remove a line froma  figure-as-sound is neat
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2017-07-01T12:08:20 < ohsix> there's probably some chromatic structure shit that's already been studied to death that is analagous
2017-07-01T12:08:26 < ReadErr> kewl trrack
2017-07-01T12:08:48 < ohsix> dongs really likes the 'what song' 'sandstorm, by darude' meme
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2017-07-01T12:32:58 < ReadError> not seen
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2017-07-01T12:57:22 < Steffanx> <ohsix> this is great but i've go tno chance linking to it anywhere but on irc < better not link anywhere then.
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2017-07-01T13:39:10 < crt> Wafl
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2017-07-01T14:50:37 < crt> Help
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2017-07-01T15:19:39 < Thorn> how do I enable code read protection in an f0 using j-link?
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2017-07-01T16:17:38 < BrainDamage> crt: you could start a new hifi service http://www.avsforum.com/obsessive-japanese-audiophiles-install-private-power-poles/
2017-07-01T16:26:01 < Steffanx> Loldongs
2017-07-01T16:28:48 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qu8S704VQY
2017-07-01T16:29:06 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/ORgrRDO
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2017-07-01T17:15:20 < sync> happy canadia day mr englishman
2017-07-01T17:16:54 < Steffanx> What do you eat on such day? Beaver?
2017-07-01T17:19:34 < englishman> fireworks
2017-07-01T17:20:06 < Steffanx> i knew you guys were weird, but .. this..
2017-07-01T17:20:15 < englishman> however in French land, it's not Canada day. It's just moving day. Quebec day was last week
2017-07-01T17:20:55 < englishman> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_Day_(Quebec)
2017-07-01T17:21:34 < englishman> If you wanted a uhaul today, I hope you reserved it in February.
2017-07-01T17:22:29 < englishman> Though thanks sync =)
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2017-07-01T17:23:46 < invzim> I want to get the stm32f401 to run at 84mhz, anyone on the top of their heads know which clock that is in cube?  The pll stuff has like 9 different clock outputs..
2017-07-01T17:24:27 < invzim> sysclk, hclk, pclk2?
2017-07-01T17:28:35 < Laurenceb_> <Steffanx> What do you eat on such day? Beaver?
2017-07-01T17:28:40 < Laurenceb_> carpet obviously
2017-07-01T17:43:39 < invzim> cube was my friend and I think it's correct :)
2017-07-01T17:44:14 < englishman> timecube is awesome for that
2017-07-01T17:49:47 < englishman> lol $400/year for photobucket
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2017-07-01T17:50:37 < Rob235> how can I connect a robot arm together from two stepper motors
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2017-07-01T18:16:13 < Laurenceb_> how robot arm formed
2017-07-01T18:18:29 < Laurenceb_> ur holding torque will overheat the motors unless you use a wormgear or something
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2017-07-01T18:54:59 < englishman> lol this opensores project is considering dropping windows support
2017-07-01T18:55:03 < englishman> it is >80% of their users
2017-07-01T18:55:09 < englishman> fucking retards
2017-07-01T18:56:07 < dfgg> wut
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2017-07-01T19:10:43 < Laurenceb_> https://www.foe.co.uk/groups/derby/news/Environment-Agency-cars-form-showing-dioxin-breached-by-800-
2017-07-01T19:10:51 < Laurenceb_> That POPS treaty states that member states educate women and girls about dioxin
2017-07-01T19:10:58 < Laurenceb_> fucking radfems strike again
2017-07-01T19:13:20 < Laurenceb_> fucking WHITE MALE can die from dioxin tbqh
2017-07-01T19:13:33 < englishman> Laurenceb_: https://patents.google.com/patent/US5591062A/en
2017-07-01T19:14:00 < englishman> the fidget spinner was invented 1992 and patented
2017-07-01T19:17:53 < Rob235> if you use a belt/pulley to rotate an arm will it be tight or will it wobble easily
2017-07-01T19:19:15 < Laurenceb_> thunderfoot was right again
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2017-07-01T19:20:15 < Steffanx> "this" what project is that, mr englishman?
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2017-07-01T19:24:00 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWxAljFlb-c
2017-07-01T19:25:16 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWy1YGNlNEU
2017-07-01T19:28:59 < Laurenceb_> IP B&
2017-07-01T19:46:34 < invzim> THE FUCK
2017-07-01T19:47:08 < invzim> i2c function sets the read/write bit for you with different functions, but you have to bit shift the address yourself?!?
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2017-07-01T20:03:43 < Steffanx> Sad thing is that i believe the woman who patented it wasnt able to pay for it anymore englishman
2017-07-01T20:03:59 < englishman> bagcat says, "always remember to renew your patents" http://i.imgur.com/NF0Bp6V.jpg?1
2017-07-01T20:04:14 < Steffanx> she didnt have to munny is tha story
2017-07-01T20:04:20 < Steffanx> *the
2017-07-01T20:04:41 < englishman> could have gone so far in her figdet spinner career
2017-07-01T20:09:03 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/KpHHosm.jpg
2017-07-01T20:09:32 < englishman> truly a symbol of canada on this historic occasion
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2017-07-01T20:12:40 < deshipu> WAT?
2017-07-01T20:15:21 < BrainDamage> personally I'd rather pick http://i.imgur.com/p7B7w5F.jpg
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2017-07-01T20:54:14 < Thorn> attn canadians http://callmepo.tumblr.com/post/162456287091/ferdisanerd-happy-canada-day
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2017-07-01T21:13:49 < gnom> hi all! whether there are examples of use: stm32cube+ugfx
2017-07-01T21:19:03 < Rob235> so this isnt very pretty but will the left stepper be strong enough to move the rest of the arm, including the right stepper that is supported by a ball caster on the bottom? https://imgur.com/a/tydM1
2017-07-01T21:20:37 < BrainDamage> the answer is 10
2017-07-01T21:21:14 < BrainDamage> seriously, calculate the torque and you'll know, this isn't arduino, engineering is supported by math
2017-07-01T21:21:49 < Rob235> psh, dont people just guess in the real world? :)
2017-07-01T21:23:38 < Steffanx> no..
2017-07-01T21:27:38 < Rob235> its 68 oz-in so if the motor is 12 oz then the arm can be 5.6 inches and has enough torque without being supported by the caster, so if the arm is 6" i'm sure its fine
2017-07-01T21:28:13 < Rob235> well i dunno, the angles are different
2017-07-01T21:28:52 < Rob235> but i'm still pretty sure its fine
2017-07-01T21:28:54 < Rob235> :P'
2017-07-01T21:30:29 < sync> if you mount that vertically it is not going to be able to carry any load
2017-07-01T21:31:23 < sync> you are also missing a few motors for a scara kinematic
2017-07-01T21:31:34 < sync> but realâ„¢ robots use harmonic drives for that reason
2017-07-01T21:32:16 < Rob235> its not vertical, its on a flat table
2017-07-01T21:32:30 < Rob235> so that the caster holds most of the weight of the second stepper
2017-07-01T21:32:48 < Rob235> its the drag that the steppers have to overcome
2017-07-01T21:32:52 < sync> lel
2017-07-01T21:34:05 < Steffanx> isnt vertically much nicer, so it can draw on a whiteboard or whatever Rob235?
2017-07-01T21:34:17 < Rob235> not really, I don't like that
2017-07-01T21:34:34 < Rob235> I just want to draw on a sheet of paper
2017-07-01T21:34:49 < Rob235> I know vertical can do both but I still prefer horizontal orientation
2017-07-01T21:34:59 < Steffanx> -_-
2017-07-01T21:35:34 < sync> I got a bosch sr8 sitting in my living room, it will write stuff on paper
2017-07-01T21:36:19 < Rob235> ok, and it also costs $1500
2017-07-01T21:37:53 < sync> no
2017-07-01T21:37:55 < sync> it was free
2017-07-01T21:38:04 < Rob235> you know what I mean
2017-07-01T21:38:12 < Rob235> why do people insist on making stupid comparisons
2017-07-01T21:38:55 < Rob235> I just want to work on a fun little project, who cares that you can spend more and make something better
2017-07-01T21:38:57 < Steffanx> That's how sync rolls :P
2017-07-01T21:39:23 < Steffanx> Wait for him to tell you what he works with at work.
2017-07-01T21:39:26 < Rob235> or buy something, which completely defeats the purpose
2017-07-01T21:39:49 < sync> it doesn't defeat the purpost, it will write on a sheet of paper, very nicely
2017-07-01T21:39:58 < Rob235> ok, great, thanks for sharing
2017-07-01T21:40:29 < Steffanx> lol.
2017-07-01T21:40:50 < sync> actually no robots at work Steffanx
2017-07-01T21:41:04 < sync> just some handling platform that will crash wafers into the vacuum chamber
2017-07-01T21:43:37 < sync> but I just found that it is not worth dealing with shitty kinematics Rob235, real hardware is more fun to deal with
2017-07-01T21:44:14 < Rob235> well I'm new to this so I'll mess around with cheap beginner shit first
2017-07-01T21:44:36 < Rob235> maybe when I get a job i can afford to spend time/money on nice projects
2017-07-01T21:46:12 < Rob235> i mean if I could afford to have my own shop and machine my own parts that would be ideal but I'm stuck trying to find cheap shit that will work together
2017-07-01T22:02:01 < Rob235> any recommendations for a stepper driver?
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2017-07-01T22:13:45 < Laurenceb_> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/30/nasa_denies_child_colony_on_mars/
2017-07-01T22:14:19 < Laurenceb_> Rob235: use harmonic drive
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2017-07-01T22:18:31 < Steffanx> You actually use that bosch thing for something or is it just decoration, sync?
2017-07-01T22:19:38 < Laurenceb_> Rob235: any shit that 3d printer tards use
2017-07-01T22:20:06 < Rob235> wondering if I should spend more on one that microsteps
2017-07-01T22:20:35 < Rob235> this is expensive but was looking at this: https://www.pololu.com/product/2970
2017-07-01T22:20:41 < sync> Steffanx: it's for testing the servodrives
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2017-07-01T22:35:00 < Steffanx> achso
2017-07-01T22:46:02 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/v/27693
2017-07-01T22:46:25 < Laurenceb_> muh stepper system
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2017-07-01T22:51:21 < Steffanx> isnt that crappifilly?
2017-07-01T22:53:58 < Rob235> hmm I thought these steppers were 12v but they are only 3v
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2017-07-01T22:55:00 < Rob235> can I wire 4 in parallel?
2017-07-01T22:55:06 < Rob235> and use a 12v psu
2017-07-01T22:55:22 < Rob235> well nvm
2017-07-01T22:55:25 < Rob235> I forgot about the driver
2017-07-01T22:56:01 < Rob235> so what am I doing? :P
2017-07-01T22:57:07 < Rob235> The motor's rated voltage is irrelevant and can be ignored. Any stepper motor rated at any voltage will work, regardless of the power supply voltage provided. The rated motor voltage just states what the max voltage would be if you applied a direct DC voltage to the winding and wanted to stay in the rated current of the motor. Since the stepper drivers regulate the current the voltage doesn’t matter.
2017-07-01T22:57:18 < Rob235> is that true, so a 12v psu is fine
2017-07-01T22:57:34 < aandrew> the motor's rated voltage absolutely cannot be ignored
2017-07-01T22:57:38 < aandrew> what kind of idiot writes that
2017-07-01T22:58:02 < aandrew> you hook up 12V to a 5V rated stepper and you can current regulate all you want, you can still damage the windings
2017-07-01T22:58:50 < aandrew> now mind you it's usually not such an issue with low voltage but stepping creates ringing several times the applied voltage which (on larger motors) can break down the insulation and cause a winding short
2017-07-01T22:59:07 < aandrew> at least in industrial motors that's the #1 cause of motor failure when putting VFDs on old equipment
2017-07-01T22:59:29 < Streaker> Current and voltage are related. If you regulate the current to a safe value, the voltage won't rise above 5v either.
2017-07-01T22:59:44 < aandrew> no
2017-07-01T23:00:01 < aandrew> V=IR sure, but 100mA at 12V is not the same as 100mA at 5V
2017-07-01T23:00:12 < aandrew> you're regulating current, not power
2017-07-01T23:00:23 < Streaker> Hmm
2017-07-01T23:01:16 < aandrew> 99% of electronics is keeping things cool enough to not fail
2017-07-01T23:01:39 < aandrew> if the motor says its rated at 5A 5V you will *not* be safe operating it at 5A 12V
2017-07-01T23:02:01 < Streaker> If the motor takes 100mA at 5v (treating it as a resistive load) and you limit the current to 100 mA the the voltage across the motor will be 5 v.
2017-07-01T23:03:29 < Streaker> The remaining 12-5v will be across your pass transistor
2017-07-01T23:03:42 < Rob235> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/95888/can-i-drive-a-low-voltage-stepper-motor-with-an-a4988-driver
2017-07-01T23:10:23 < zyp> aandrew is wrong, the important rating is the current
2017-07-01T23:10:47 < Streaker> They're related.
2017-07-01T23:11:00 < aandrew> at low voltages you don't have to worry about voltage so much because I'm betting the minimum insulation withstand is around 300V
2017-07-01T23:11:24 < aandrew> again though, motors are not simple linear devices, it's not a resistor
2017-07-01T23:11:30 < Streaker> If you limit the current you are necessarily limiting the voltage too.
2017-07-01T23:11:32 < aandrew> it's a coil
2017-07-01T23:11:41 < zyp> aandrew, yes, exactly
2017-07-01T23:11:47 < aandrew> and it's not even a simple coil, becuase the rotor movement also influences things
2017-07-01T23:12:09 < Streaker> Yes. It's an inductive load, but that doesn't change things much.
2017-07-01T23:12:11 < zyp> that's why stepper drivers are closed loop current drivers
2017-07-01T23:12:43 < zyp> running pwm or similar modulation
2017-07-01T23:13:00 < zyp> a constant voltage rating has no usefulness in a pwm setting
2017-07-01T23:14:28 < zyp> to take a similar example, in the project I'm currently working on at work, we're feeding 24V nominal solenoid valves with 60V
2017-07-01T23:15:31 < zyp> also through closed loop current feedback
2017-07-01T23:15:43 < Rob235> so 12v supply for a 3v stepper with a driver that takes 6v to 30v is ok?
2017-07-01T23:15:49 < zyp> yes
2017-07-01T23:16:25 < aandrew> you will exceed the power rating of the stepper controller
2017-07-01T23:16:44 < aandrew> size things appropriately, dropping all that across your driver will cause the driver to power down early due to thermal overload
2017-07-01T23:16:55 < zyp> it's not a linear driver.
2017-07-01T23:17:23 < aandrew> ok, so it's more efficient but now you're giving the motor tiny slivers of voltage to maintain current
2017-07-01T23:17:32 < aandrew> size it correctly instead of playing dumb games with specs
2017-07-01T23:17:39 < zyp> of course, that's how stepper drivers work
2017-07-01T23:20:28 < zyp> http://reprap.org/wiki/NEMA_17_Stepper_motor <- look at the table here, they are all in the 2-5V range, they are typically ran by drivers powered by either 12V or 24V, either works fine
2017-07-01T23:20:49 < zyp> also check footnote 1, which applies to the 12V rated one
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2017-07-01T23:49:54 < Rob235> what part of the driver needs cooling, the chip itself or the caps or what
2017-07-01T23:50:06 < Rob235> I guess the chip makes sense
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2017-07-02T00:15:55 < Laurenceb_> http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH_C_MORTACRACIES.GIF
2017-07-02T00:15:59 < Laurenceb_> megamurder
2017-07-02T00:21:46 < zyp> Rob235, the chip itself, just the normal switching dissipation
2017-07-02T00:23:19 < Rob235> I think i'll go with the amis-30543, they are expensive but the spi control and stall detection with emf feedback I think are worth the cost so I can reuse them for better projects down the line.  this may change though before I place my order, but thats what i'm leaning toward
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2017-07-02T00:24:59 < Rob235> DRV8825 being second choice
2017-07-02T00:25:56 < aandrew> zyp: you have voltages all over the map in that table
2017-07-02T00:26:44 < aandrew> and again, you run a stepper that wants 5V from 12 or 24V you will be either losing huge losses in the driver (linear) or supplying it with such thin pulses of voltage that you'll be prone to mis-steps
2017-07-02T00:26:50 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/09I6NBW.jpg
2017-07-02T00:27:01 < aandrew> you need to also keep the motor time constant in mind with teh PWM freq
2017-07-02T00:27:42 < aandrew> what it all boils down to though is to size the supply correctly for the motors. Just becaue the drivers can allow you to be lazy/sloppy does *not* mean it will work as well as a correctly sized system
2017-07-02T00:36:26 < aandrew> all your controllers are current regulated because torque current is proportional to current
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2017-07-02T01:33:49 < Laurenceb_> http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9924800.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/isispuppy.jpg
2017-07-02T01:33:58 < Laurenceb_> accurate url is accurate
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2017-07-02T02:29:33 < crt> Lol
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2017-07-02T02:32:14 < crt> Good backlog
2017-07-02T02:32:51 < crt> Audiophiles are stupid
2017-07-02T02:33:53 < crt> Car audio fucks are the worse
2017-07-02T02:39:32 < sandeepkr> im trying to use code generated by STM32 cube.When ever i compile the code with GCC (version 7) it gets compiled but the microcontroller does not work.
2017-07-02T02:40:11 < sandeepkr> but if i download the copiled code from ST's compiled code it works.
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2017-07-02T02:40:35 < sandeepkr> any insight into what might be the in case of GCC?
2017-07-02T02:41:33 < crt> Yeah just buy keil
2017-07-02T02:46:38 < kakimir> sandeepkr: do you have debugger?
2017-07-02T02:47:09 < sandeepkr> kakimir, ST link, openocd.
2017-07-02T02:47:46 < kakimir> have you tried to debug it?
2017-07-02T02:48:16 < kakimir> do you have debugging session running when you run it?
2017-07-02T02:48:44 < crt> Coal bong
2017-07-02T02:49:03 < kakimir> what is that crt?
2017-07-02T02:49:22 < crt> Wrong channel sorry
2017-07-02T02:51:18 < sandeepkr> kakimir, yes the debug session is running.
2017-07-02T02:51:26 < sandeepkr>  the code gets flashed.The code is generated by STM32cubemx.
2017-07-02T02:51:34 < sandeepkr> but the peripherial(usb in this case) does not work accordingly.
2017-07-02T02:52:26 < kakimir> clocks?
2017-07-02T02:53:06 < kakimir> maybe they had last minute twist to the ready baked version to correct some clock or other thing but I do not know I don't cube
2017-07-02T02:54:32 < kakimir> just trying to.. stimulate you to put your brain in debug mode
2017-07-02T02:54:50 < kakimir> break assumptions make assumptions test assumptions
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2017-07-02T02:58:14 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/Cos4lwU
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2017-07-02T03:03:05 < branjb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNwQK_HIHRU&feature=youtu.be
2017-07-02T03:04:40 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: https://i.imgur.com/DHcM4tA.jpg
2017-07-02T03:09:00 < Thorn> https://i.imgur.com/IBQlmD3.jpg
2017-07-02T03:15:03 < kakimir> funny
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2017-07-02T03:29:27 < kakimir> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhOU8vg43dg when 7 drown this midsummer.. it's _only_ 7
2017-07-02T03:37:39 < crt> Where is peter
2017-07-02T03:38:21 < crt> centripetal dogs
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2017-07-02T03:45:50 < crt> Have you tried PIC32 kakimir? My wife and her 4 black children love it!
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2017-07-02T03:46:46 < kakimir> I have not
2017-07-02T03:47:21 < crt> LEDs?
2017-07-02T03:48:26 < kakimir> tell me about your wife
2017-07-02T03:48:38 < kakimir> and your black children
2017-07-02T03:51:45 < crt> well the father is in jail
2017-07-02T03:52:16 < crt> so im going to fuck his wife and raise 4 criminals because that's the job of a white man
2017-07-02T03:53:02 < crt> anyway
2017-07-02T03:53:06 < crt> LEDs?
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2017-07-02T03:54:44 < kakimir> his wife?
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2017-07-02T03:54:51 < kakimir> you said your wife
2017-07-02T03:56:00 < crt> oh yeah
2017-07-02T03:56:07 < Laurenceb_> ur wifes son
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2017-07-02T03:56:16 < crt> we were going to get married but she cannot sign a divorce with a black man in jail
2017-07-02T03:56:33 < crt> and something about watermelons
2017-07-02T03:56:37 < crt> and koolaid
2017-07-02T03:56:42 < crt> welcome Laurenceb_
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2017-07-02T03:56:55 < Laurenceb_> we wuz kangz
2017-07-02T03:57:01 < crt> and dindu
2017-07-02T03:57:03 < crt> yeah
2017-07-02T03:57:05 < crt> he dindu
2017-07-02T03:57:20 < crt> so bored this morning
2017-07-02T03:57:26 < crt> its colder than eskimo pussy
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2017-07-02T04:02:32 < kakimir> crt: why her?
2017-07-02T04:06:58 < kakimir> in finland it's the perfect weather for a while now
2017-07-02T04:07:07 < kakimir> +20 and sunshine
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2017-07-02T04:13:49 < kakimir> a week and it's +30 and all kinds of biting flying shit starts to appear
2017-07-02T04:14:53 < kakimir> terrain is squirming full of life
2017-07-02T04:15:47 < kakimir> 2-3weeks and long autumn period starts with shortening days and colder nights
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2017-07-02T06:13:23 < crt> the great autiste
2017-07-02T06:13:39 < aandrew> branjb: damn, that motorocycle vid... the road rash... jesus
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2017-07-02T06:39:34 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oPTfMGyVSI
2017-07-02T06:53:27 < crt> straya!
2017-07-02T06:53:29 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3RL2FF4v3I
2017-07-02T07:09:33 < dongs> sup fagwards
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2017-07-02T07:14:42 < aandrew> word dongs
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2017-07-02T07:45:33 < dongs> finally got ethernet/usb-a/pd in adapter for fagbook
2017-07-02T07:45:45 < dongs> at least its now slightly more useful than a doorstop
2017-07-02T07:46:03 < dongs> can actually install shit liek altidumb and office from usb
2017-07-02T07:55:13 < aandrew> lol
2017-07-02T07:56:07 < aandrew> why the fuck are you using a mac
2017-07-02T08:01:30 < dongs> im nto
2017-07-02T08:01:34 < dongs> its running windows 10
2017-07-02T08:07:29 < englishman> about to order 2k edisons before looming last buy date
2017-07-02T08:07:59 < englishman> blinky leds totally need to be controlled from lunix kernel
2017-07-02T08:08:03 < crt> fuck
2017-07-02T08:08:23 < crt> yeah linux
2017-07-02T08:09:06 < dongs> why not use the real innovation, rageberry pi
2017-07-02T08:09:10 < aandrew> 2000 edisons? wtf for?
2017-07-02T08:09:40 < englishman> kickstarter, of course
2017-07-02T08:09:52 < englishman> compute dongle is far too large
2017-07-02T08:10:13 < aandrew> dong-le
2017-07-02T08:11:54 < dongs> my huawei nsa-spy wifi pro arrived
2017-07-02T08:18:19 < crt> good
2017-07-02T08:18:37 < crt> why not stm32
2017-07-02T08:22:18 < dongs> thats next
2017-07-02T08:22:23 < crt> hell yeah!
2017-07-02T08:23:13 < englishman> lots of black powder in the air tonight, it's passing in large clouds
2017-07-02T08:23:20 < dongs> who farted
2017-07-02T08:23:24 < crt> the chinese
2017-07-02T08:23:50 < crt> counterfeit semiconductor hillbillies
2017-07-02T08:25:38 < crt> i don't fuckin' like smart cunts
2017-07-02T08:47:07 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjfOTRBqpJw
2017-07-02T08:47:08 < crt> lol
2017-07-02T08:47:21 < crt> i've probably been reading that website since i was 15
2017-07-02T08:47:44 < crt> warning : eevdave in that vid
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2017-07-02T08:56:40 < crt> can we make stm32blog
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2017-07-02T09:32:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ba3Qzey.png
2017-07-02T09:32:56 < dongs> fuck yes
2017-07-02T09:34:11 < crt> altidud
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2017-07-02T09:35:20 < crt> what can i do without altium
2017-07-02T09:35:31 < dongs> INSTALL EAGLE
2017-07-02T09:35:49 < crt> fuck man.... i don't think so
2017-07-02T09:36:56 < crt> does o6 use eagle?
2017-07-02T09:37:07 < dongs> o6 doesnt do electronics
2017-07-02T09:41:35 < dongs> only chat about it
2017-07-02T09:41:45 < crt> yah
2017-07-02T09:44:02 < crt> hmmm what to do
2017-07-02T09:55:00 < ReadError> real pros use kikad
2017-07-02T09:55:38 < crt> eh?
2017-07-02T09:55:46 < crt> procad?
2017-07-02T09:55:53 < crt> are you prepared to die for irc
2017-07-02T09:58:01 < ReadError> has that violation waiver always been there?
2017-07-02T09:58:27 < dongs> ;no its nwe in 17.1
2017-07-02T09:58:36 < dongs> becasuse they realized some of the shit is SO FUCKING DUMB
2017-07-02T09:58:38 < ReadError> oh cool
2017-07-02T09:58:39 < dongs> and unfixable
2017-07-02T09:58:44 < dongs>  like pour custom pad shape
2017-07-02T09:58:47 < dongs> add a pad to it
2017-07-02T09:58:52 < dongs> don't connect to net
2017-07-02T09:58:58 < dongs>  = violation, BUT NOT REALLY ONE
2017-07-02T09:59:02 < ReadError> I was just manually ignoring them in my head
2017-07-02T10:03:45 < crt> FINDER mate
2017-07-02T10:03:54 < crt> got ya fucken relays right here
2017-07-02T10:05:29 < ReadError> no
2017-07-02T10:06:19 < crt> what is no
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2017-07-02T10:36:26 < crt> gnaa
2017-07-02T10:38:47 < toblorone> why is there a "No trump" warning? This is channel is about the st microcontrollers, right?
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2017-07-02T10:42:30 < zyp> exactly
2017-07-02T10:45:32 < crt> ^
2017-07-02T10:46:26 < crt> how are they zyp
2017-07-02T10:48:38 < dongs> toblorone: because some retards like to mention uselses shit in a ST channel
2017-07-02T10:49:57 < crt> http://i.imgur.com/BjyPin1.jpg
2017-07-02T10:50:45 < crt> see you on the road faggots
2017-07-02T10:53:09 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCZ2V4St5t0
2017-07-02T11:00:47 < upgrdman> wuts ss1488
2017-07-02T11:00:57 < upgrdman> that some secret nazi code or something
2017-07-02T11:01:09 < dongs> its the new arduino compatible ESP
2017-07-02T11:01:14 < dongs> no, arduino compatible STM
2017-07-02T11:01:45 < upgrdman> close enough
2017-07-02T11:02:37 < crt> lol
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2017-07-02T11:15:31 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEJn74Z3wHk chiangirl
2017-07-02T11:16:50 < crt> ty
2017-07-02T11:17:32 < crt> imagine what she could do to your cock
2017-07-02T11:20:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmmm. How am I going to detect sequences of button presses in a  joystick.
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2017-07-02T11:21:01 < Jak_o_Shadows> I haven't got any kind of debouncing stuff, i've been saying that it doesn't really matter/that's windows problem
2017-07-02T11:21:19 < dongs> wat
2017-07-02T11:21:30 < dongs> surely that depends on method of scanning
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2017-07-02T11:22:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> At the moment I read in with loc3 gpio_prt_read
2017-07-02T11:22:50 < dongs> wu?
2017-07-02T11:23:52 < Jak_o_Shadows> So I end up with 3 uint16's of the inputs
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2017-07-02T11:25:45 < Jak_o_Shadows> I am asking for generic advice here.
2017-07-02T11:25:54 < crt> ok
2017-07-02T11:26:13 < dongs> Jak_o_Shadows: i ahve no idea what API that is or what youre doing
2017-07-02T11:26:24 < dongs> wtf is loc3 gpio-prt_read
2017-07-02T11:27:10 < Jak_o_Shadows> That API is libopencm3. I have made a joystick - the intent here is to enter a combination that will allow me to do things, like change mods, etc.
2017-07-02T11:27:50 < dongs> if you scan it from systick or similar then you dont need to carea bout devounce
2017-07-02T11:27:56 < dongs> if you scan it by exti interrupt then you do
2017-07-02T11:28:08 < dongs> of course if its analog then it doenst amtter
2017-07-02T11:28:39 < Jak_o_Shadows> Currently I read the 3 uint16_ts taht correspond to the pin status for port/bank A, B, C, then extract the bit
2017-07-02T11:28:40 < Jak_o_Shadows> that makes it a button for the joystick.
2017-07-02T11:28:53 < dongs> yeah so you dont ned debounce
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2017-07-02T11:32:12 < upgrdman> Jak_o_Shadows, you want to make your own like konami-code that does something?
2017-07-02T11:32:21 < upgrdman> that's what state machines are for. problem solved.
2017-07-02T11:32:49 < dongs> oh
2017-07-02T11:32:52 < dongs> i missed the first question
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2017-07-02T11:33:08 < dongs> and apparently his internet is trash
2017-07-02T11:33:11 < dongs> sup upgrdman whats innovating
2017-07-02T11:33:18 < dongs> hve you installed lunix on stm32 yet
2017-07-02T11:33:27 < upgrdman> and ya, you may need to debounce depending on how you sample
2017-07-02T11:33:47 < dongs> i found out just scanning from systick = no bounce needed
2017-07-02T11:34:00 < upgrdman> dongs, not much. fiber optic project is coming to an end, assuming it passes long term tests in hot tranformer oil.
2017-07-02T11:34:19 < dongs> or scanning through multiplexers
2017-07-02T11:34:20 < upgrdman> stm32f4 project will probably start in a week or two.
2017-07-02T11:34:34 < upgrdman> been collecting fuck tons of stm docs
2017-07-02T11:34:46 < dongs> i did matrix/encoder scanning through 575s or wahtever, damn i was so surprised when it ACTUALYL WORKED
2017-07-02T11:35:01 < upgrdman> will need to figure out ethernet, usb device, and lots of other that i know how to do on f0 but will need to rework for f4
2017-07-02T11:35:08 < dongs> cool
2017-07-02T11:35:09 < upgrdman> nice
2017-07-02T11:35:23 < dongs> i will haev a ethernet proj soon as well
2017-07-02T11:35:28 < dongs> and t his NRF24 shite
2017-07-02T11:35:47 < upgrdman> the cheap nrf? or is it some wifi soc?
2017-07-02T11:36:07 < upgrdman> 24l01 or whatever their cheap propietaty thing is
2017-07-02T11:36:25 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Uz9ADyT.png the cheap nrf
2017-07-02T11:36:27 < dongs> with a f0
2017-07-02T11:36:39 < upgrdman> nice
2017-07-02T11:36:42 < upgrdman> sim card?
2017-07-02T11:36:49 < dongs> yea
2017-07-02T11:36:53 < dongs> smartcard but same thing
2017-07-02T11:37:16 < dongs> i could have just used Esp14/88 but i have no idea if that shit has a usable uart and evne if it does ,its unlikely it does proper iso7816 mode
2017-07-02T11:37:18 < upgrdman> smartcards are like an encryption token thing right? never played with one
2017-07-02T11:37:42 < dongs> so i'll haev this, and a f4 or something w/ethernet + another nrf as a base station
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2017-07-02T11:52:08 < Jak_o_Shadows> Stupid net. upgrdman, yeah
2017-07-02T11:52:39 < dongs> hes gone, too
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2017-07-02T11:52:59 < Jak_o_Shadows> huh.
2017-07-02T11:53:07 < Jak_o_Shadows> But yeah, a state machine.
2017-07-02T11:53:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> and potentially a separate state machine for each code I want?
2017-07-02T11:54:46 < dongs> i would do something simple like an array of the sequence, and sequence index. on each scan, check if array[index] matches t he current code, and if it does, increment index, or else reset index. if index == end of array, notify whatever the shit.
2017-07-02T11:55:09 < dongs> you can extend this for multiple sequences quite easily
2017-07-02T11:55:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> That does sound good.
2017-07-02T11:55:31 < Jak_o_Shadows> That is somewhat like my thoughts, but I like to ask about conceptual/architectural things.
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2017-07-02T11:57:49 < dongs> sometimes there's no real need to overcomplicate shit
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2017-07-02T13:33:41 < ohsix> oofgho4
2017-07-02T13:35:02 < hexo_> nice pwd
2017-07-02T13:37:50 < ohsix> heh there's a company called 'remove your media' llc
2017-07-02T13:38:00 < ohsix> they send automated dmca requests
2017-07-02T13:43:38 < invzim> eclipse pissing me off
2017-07-02T13:44:22 < invzim> formatter does while(1); -> while(1)\n;
2017-07-02T13:53:37 < dongs> fix it
2017-07-02T13:59:09 < ohsix> heh
2017-07-02T13:59:32 < ohsix> that's cute
2017-07-02T14:07:30 < ohsix> better than accidentally doing it, they wager
2017-07-02T14:08:20 < Steffanx> why blame eclipse when it's just a config thingy?
2017-07-02T14:09:21 < ohsix> there are lots of defaults to complain about in eclipse
2017-07-02T14:10:27 < Steffanx> Haters are gonna hate.
2017-07-02T14:10:34 < ohsix> dang there are so many headphones under a bck on aliexpress
2017-07-02T14:10:53 < ohsix> there's probably one that's pretty good too
2017-07-02T14:11:30 < Steffanx> That's like hte last thing i would buy there
2017-07-02T14:11:35 < Steffanx> *one of the last things
2017-07-02T14:12:12 < ohsix> yea it's just the 'one must be ok' aspect and the cost of checkign a bunch out
2017-07-02T14:12:38 < ohsix> way way way back in the day, i bought and returned like 15 different headphones, almost all on offer at local department stores to see if any were good
2017-07-02T14:12:52 < ohsix> they were all amazingly awful
2017-07-02T14:13:15 < ohsix> astoundingly awful
2017-07-02T14:14:02 < ohsix> at basically any price, you couldn't get a decent pair
2017-07-02T14:15:59 < ohsix> making it worthwhile could be interesting, but also work
2017-07-02T14:16:32 < ohsix> since i'd expect to throw almost all of them away, i could take internal photos & do a destructive teardown someone might find useful on the intertubes
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2017-07-02T15:04:03 < invzim> fixed it, by exporting the profile, editing in manually, then re-importing it
2017-07-02T15:05:02 < invzim> org.eclipse.cdt.core.formatter.put_empty_statement_on_new_line" value="false"
2017-07-02T15:05:08 < invzim> no way to set it directly in eclipse
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2017-07-02T15:21:20 < Steffanx> i ssee
2017-07-02T15:23:38 < dongs> i can kinda see why its ab it shitty
2017-07-02T15:31:06 < Steffanx> Interesting how it seems to be there when you do a java project invzim -_-
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2017-07-02T16:01:05 < invzim> hm, it fixed the while stuff, but still misses on macros
2017-07-02T16:02:00 < invzim> that could be the actual st source files fault tho
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2017-07-02T16:29:04 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pllzblVLdIg
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2017-07-02T16:33:57 < Steffanx> must be the little brother of the guy in this vid https://youtu.be/erwtQFfFNTQ?t=39m39s
2017-07-02T16:38:25 < Laurenceb_> well played
2017-07-02T16:39:15 < Steffanx> How is your day mr Laurenceb_?
2017-07-02T16:39:42 < Laurenceb_> not as deranged as Mr Jahans
2017-07-02T16:39:44 < Laurenceb_>  ...yet
2017-07-02T16:40:24 < Laurenceb_>  >  If Jahans stopped putting his disgusting garbage online and the trolling ended he would have nothing left in his life
2017-07-02T16:40:29 < Laurenceb_> accurate comment is accurate
2017-07-02T16:40:49 < Steffanx> How about you?
2017-07-02T16:41:53 < Laurenceb_> I got a jerb interview
2017-07-02T16:41:55 < Laurenceb_> finally
2017-07-02T16:42:08 < Steffanx> A real research position?
2017-07-02T16:43:21 < Laurenceb_> yes
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2017-07-02T16:45:42 < Steffanx> will they allow you to continue your daily crap posting?
2017-07-02T16:46:17 < Steffanx> or will a real job mean a grown up Laurenceb_?
2017-07-02T16:49:51 < Laurenceb_> never
2017-07-02T16:52:34 < Steffanx> say never
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2017-07-02T17:15:43 < dongs> no CYCCNT on F0 right?
2017-07-02T17:16:57 < englishman> isnt that part of tracing?
2017-07-02T17:17:05 < englishman> id assume no
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2017-07-02T17:27:25 < tpw_rules> Laurenceb_: lol researching what
2017-07-02T17:29:34 < Laurenceb_> vibration in vehicles
2017-07-02T17:29:40 < Laurenceb_> inb4 symbian
2017-07-02T17:31:21 < Steffanx> Continuation of ambulance project?
2017-07-02T17:32:39 < tpw_rules> veeee-hickle
2017-07-02T17:33:18 < tpw_rules> also solution: electric :D
2017-07-02T17:39:08 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: yes
2017-07-02T17:39:16 < Laurenceb_> tpw_rules: good luck with that
2017-07-02T17:39:31 < Laurenceb_> this is for critical patient transport ambulances
2017-07-02T17:39:35 < tpw_rules> oh
2017-07-02T17:39:50 < tpw_rules> well tbh that sounds like the road is more of a problem
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2017-07-02T17:42:12 < Laurenceb_> nah its mostly engine vibration
2017-07-02T17:42:19 < Laurenceb_> so electric _might_ fix it
2017-07-02T17:42:24 < tpw_rules> really?
2017-07-02T17:42:31 < Laurenceb_> but there is zero budget for this stuff
2017-07-02T17:42:48 < tpw_rules> i guess they are typically bigger diesels
2017-07-02T17:42:52 < tpw_rules> i've never been inside one to feel its vibration
2017-07-02T17:44:39 < Steffanx> emdrive could be a solution.
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2017-07-02T18:01:03 < Laurenceb_> atm they use the ancient old emergency vehicles
2017-07-02T18:01:10 < Laurenceb_> as thats all there is money for
2017-07-02T18:01:25 < tpw_rules> where are you?
2017-07-02T18:01:27 < sync> maybe in the uk
2017-07-02T18:01:32 < tpw_rules> the ones here aren't un-modern
2017-07-02T18:02:10 < Laurenceb_> in uk there is only funding for emergency vehicles
2017-07-02T18:02:42 < Laurenceb_> so my job is going to be producing low cost retrofits for the old vehicles used for transport to reduce vibration
2017-07-02T18:02:53 < sync> lel
2017-07-02T18:02:54 < Laurenceb_> as it seems to be very bad for some critical care patients
2017-07-02T18:03:05 < sync> seems to be a lot of bullshit
2017-07-02T18:03:22 < Laurenceb_> no its genuinely harmful
2017-07-02T18:03:30 < Laurenceb_> the vehicles are really bad
2017-07-02T18:03:43 < Laurenceb_> still not as stupid as this url https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/06/solar-powered-emdrive-version-of-space-battleship-yamato.html
2017-07-02T18:03:48 < tpw_rules> is the solution just gonna turn out to be "replace the engine mounts"
2017-07-02T18:04:00 < Laurenceb_> maybe lol
2017-07-02T18:04:07 < sync> not maybe, it is
2017-07-02T18:04:14 < sync> just new engine mounts and cab mounts
2017-07-02T18:04:20 < tpw_rules> "also replace the bad injector so it runs on all cylinders"
2017-07-02T18:04:27 < Laurenceb_> heh likely
2017-07-02T18:04:39 < sync> but I don't think the engine could vibrate enough to actually do harm to people unless it is complete shit
2017-07-02T18:04:43 < tpw_rules> solution: micro emdrive for active vibration cancellation
2017-07-02T18:04:52 < tpw_rules> sync: ancient diesels are complete shit lol
2017-07-02T18:04:56 < sync> I mean, my motorcycle doesn't have a countershaft and has only one cylinder
2017-07-02T18:05:01 < BrainDamage> what kind of pathologies make them so sensible as an engine vibration harm them?
2017-07-02T18:05:02 < sync> and it doesn't vibrate incredibly bad
2017-07-02T18:05:05 < Steffanx> define ancient..
2017-07-02T18:05:58 < Laurenceb_> >30 years old
2017-07-02T18:06:16 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: thats another question that needs to be looked at
2017-07-02T18:06:19 < sync> that's not bad
2017-07-02T18:06:24 < Steffanx> We'll see if Brexit wil solve this issue as well.
2017-07-02T18:06:40 < Laurenceb_> lots of this stuff says "made in _west_ germany"
2017-07-02T18:06:52 < sync> yeah, so man or ölmotors
2017-07-02T18:06:54 < tpw_rules> are they like sprinter-based or something
2017-07-02T18:06:56 < sync> which do not vibrate a lot
2017-07-02T18:07:49 < Laurenceb_> of course the other answer is that there is a confounding effect due to more unwell patients having to be moved between sites
2017-07-02T18:08:06 < Laurenceb_> but statisticians have looked at the data carefully... supposedly
2017-07-02T18:08:31 < sync> that's most likely the issue tbh
2017-07-02T18:09:18 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-07-02T18:09:30 < Laurenceb_>  *shrug* who cares
2017-07-02T18:09:39 < Laurenceb_> I get paid so it's all good
2017-07-02T18:09:54 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/EmDrive/comments/6kmpmg/summary_of_emdrive_results_to_date/
2017-07-02T18:10:05 < Laurenceb_> soon it will be time to s/emdrive/vibration
2017-07-02T18:10:08 < Steffanx> lol LoRanceb__ got triggered
2017-07-02T18:10:27 < Laurenceb_> still less bullshit than LoRa
2017-07-02T18:11:49 < Laurenceb_> https://emdrive-forum.com/forum/index.php?thread/19-gilo-industries-group-something-they-cannot-yet-talk-about/
2017-07-02T18:12:22 < Laurenceb_> I should set up a dodgy sounding company to market vibration dampening
2017-07-02T18:12:43 < sync> mount the cab on voicecoils
2017-07-02T18:13:25 < Laurenceb_> an entirely practical solution
2017-07-02T18:13:43 < BrainDamage> if vibrations harm people maybe the audiophiles were right afterall
2017-07-02T18:14:46 < Laurenceb_> well they do, there are iso standards for exposure
2017-07-02T18:14:59 < sync> yeah but they are significantly higher
2017-07-02T18:15:03 < Laurenceb_> ambulance transport exceeds the limits
2017-07-02T18:15:18 < Laurenceb_> if you are a patient on one of the trolleys
2017-07-02T18:15:54 < sync> yeah because the yard of the hospital is cobblestone
2017-07-02T18:16:00 < sync> *clatter*
2017-07-02T18:17:52 < sync> I know someone who did research on shipping shit that was vibration sensitive
2017-07-02T18:18:03 < sync> and they found that the transport does fuck all
2017-07-02T18:18:12 < sync> but the unloading is usually the issue
2017-07-02T18:27:13 < rajkosto> are they unloading like that chinese airplane webm
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2017-07-02T19:27:12 < jpa-> bah, maybe i'll need to go rndis + ecm anyway
2017-07-02T19:27:35 < jpa-> windows 10 supports wbim but mac os x doesn't
2017-07-02T19:30:11 < Steffanx> whats wbim?
2017-07-02T19:32:18 < aandrew> what's wibm?
2017-07-02T19:32:22 < aandrew> hah
2017-07-02T19:32:23 < aandrew> beer me
2017-07-02T19:32:59 < Steffanx> jpa- enlighten us
2017-07-02T19:33:00 < branjb> anyone ever read https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009NGEYDG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ?
2017-07-02T19:33:02 < Steffanx> please :)
2017-07-02T19:33:12 < aandrew> sync: yep, grab the pallet with the fork truck, then slam it on the ground/into walls/etc.
2017-07-02T19:33:33 < aandrew> nope never read Johnson's books
2017-07-02T19:33:40 < aandrew> I have read Ott though. Ott is god
2017-07-02T19:33:51 < branjb> Ott?
2017-07-02T19:34:06 < aandrew> http://www.hottconsultants.com/
2017-07-02T19:34:14 < aandrew> https://www.amazon.ca/Electromagnetic-Compatibility-Engineering-Henry-Ott/dp/0470189304
2017-07-02T19:34:16 < branjb> ah
2017-07-02T19:34:17 < sync> aandrew: in this case cobble stone floor and a pallet jack, but yes
2017-07-02T19:34:55 < aandrew> https://www.amazon.ca/Noise-Reduction-Techniques-Electronic-Systems/dp/0471850683
2017-07-02T19:35:02 < Steffanx> please :)$
2017-07-02T19:35:08 < Steffanx> oops.
2017-07-02T19:35:17 < Steffanx> $134, damn
2017-07-02T19:35:29 < branjb> that's canadian dollars
2017-07-02T19:35:31 < Steffanx> oh cdn, but still
2017-07-02T19:35:33 < branjb> only $28 in american
2017-07-02T19:35:36 < Steffanx> lol
2017-07-02T19:36:16 < aandrew> I worked on a project (complete FIB/SEM system, from detetector front ends through to USB3 uplink) and not only did we pass all our EMC/EMI tests, but we also came in *well* under our emissions budget. much, much, much better performance than we were aiming for due to extraordinarily careful analog design and layout
2017-07-02T19:36:31 < aandrew> I learned a lot on that project, it was pretty amazing
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2017-07-02T19:37:15 < branjb> how many board revisions/tests did you go through?
2017-07-02T19:38:02 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/ztW8vMu that was the pre-mfg proto
2017-07-02T19:38:06 < aandrew> of the motherboard
2017-07-02T19:38:21 < jpa-> Steffanx: err MBIM
2017-07-02T19:38:25 < aandrew> branjb: well we didn't do it quite like that
2017-07-02T19:39:01 < branjb> aandrew: also what are those board connectors in the middle?
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2017-07-02T19:39:15 < branjb> they look useful
2017-07-02T19:39:20 < aandrew> so there's the motherboard, a couple small power supply boards (they plug into that black rectangular verticla connector almost center at the bottom of that pic), a detector front end board, a video back end board and deflection boards
2017-07-02T19:39:58 < aandrew> the motherboard went through two revisions and three "mini versions" just to test ideas (not full motherboards, just a cut down version of one section or another to test)
2017-07-02T19:40:06 < branjb> the squiggles on some of those traces
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2017-07-02T19:40:49 < aandrew> the DFE, VBE and SG (scan gen, the deflector generators) all went htrough two revs
2017-07-02T19:40:57 < aandrew> all are 8 layer boards
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2017-07-02T19:41:23 < aandrew> branjb: they're Samtec connectors used by all the Altera boards for HSMC (I can look it up later)
2017-07-02T19:41:37 < branjb> that's good enough
2017-07-02T19:42:06 < aandrew> all those squiggly lines are LVDS pairs from the FPGA in the middle to the VBE (sampling) and SG (DAC) outputs
2017-07-02T19:42:43 < aandrew> we used PCIe connectors because every card is able to be rotated 180 degrees
2017-07-02T19:43:05 < aandrew> (stupid requirement from zeiss and the other buyer whose name escapes me
2017-07-02T19:43:44 < aandrew> DFE - take super weak detector signals and amplify/clean them up, connects the signal over CAT7 to VBE
2017-07-02T19:44:06 < aandrew> VBE - 8 channel high speed ADC which digitizes those signals and feeds them to FPGA
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2017-07-02T19:44:56 < aandrew> SG - uses three DACs in summing mode (to eliminate jaggies from any single DAC boundary) to create sweep signals which drive the guns
2017-07-02T19:45:17 < aandrew> we used PSoCs to coordinate the boards which was both a blessing and a curse
2017-07-02T19:45:34 < branjb> drive the guns?
2017-07-02T19:46:04 < aandrew> electron guns for sweep, ion guns for the FIBs to make changes
2017-07-02T19:47:01 < aandrew> all those LVDS pairs are length matched and there's a clock retimer above "VBE-B" which lets us delay the master clock so the clock arrives at the same time for all the board slots
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2017-07-02T19:47:51 < aandrew> so many ferrites, so many filters, so so so many hours spent going over layout and doing stupid tweaks
2017-07-02T19:51:17 < Steffanx> such huge budget?
2017-07-02T19:53:17 < sync> fib means cash money
2017-07-02T19:57:21 < sync> aandrew: oh god, why are all of those books written as a study book [triggered]
2017-07-02T19:57:42 < Steffanx> You want it comic style?
2017-07-02T19:57:46 < branjb> lol
2017-07-02T19:57:52 < sync> no
2017-07-02T19:57:59 < sync> I do not want questions and answers
2017-07-02T19:58:00 < branjb> this is the evil unintentional radiator
2017-07-02T20:01:28 < aandrew> lol
2017-07-02T20:01:36 < aandrew> Steffanx: eh?
2017-07-02T20:03:23 < jpa-> aandrew: hmm, how does summing three DACs eliminate jaggies?
2017-07-02T20:03:23 < Thorn> Intelsat 35e Launch Webcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKmWeATngb4
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2017-07-02T20:16:02 < aandrew> jpa-: you give them different values so the sum is what you want,
2017-07-02T20:16:34 < aandrew> jpa-: basically with teh DACs they used, (say 4096 count) it was actually composed of 8 512-count DACs internally
2017-07-02T20:16:48 < aandrew> but at each 512 count boundary there was a noticeable nonlinear step
2017-07-02T20:17:15 < aandrew> within any 512 it was great, but crossing the boundary caused a step which was noticeable on the deflection output
2017-07-02T20:17:51 < aandrew> so you use multiple DACs to create the desired voltage anywhere in the range but no single one was walking over the boundary
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2017-07-02T20:22:48 < jpa-> aandrew: ah, yeah, if you are summing anyway then choosing the values wisely can reduce artifacts
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2017-07-03T00:51:03 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0526o9Oh_IQ
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2017-07-03T01:21:37 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/jmnclk3wa77z.jpg
2017-07-03T01:26:28 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-03T01:26:33 < kakimir> is it photoshop?
2017-07-03T01:29:51 < upgrdman> kakimir, dunno. prolly. i found it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/hmmm/comments/6ktwxr/hmmm/
2017-07-03T01:38:06 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_1WcUAcbgQ fresh musics
2017-07-03T01:39:37 < upgrdman> lol https://i.redd.it/96jvzadmo47z.png
2017-07-03T01:39:44 < kakimir> you can tell I have been rottening in tractor cabin for a week again with only radio to entertain me
2017-07-03T01:43:20 < englishman> seeding?
2017-07-03T01:43:32 < kakimir> 1. harvest
2017-07-03T01:43:48 < englishman> this late, wow, they were done here June 12
2017-07-03T01:44:09 < englishman> what do you harvest in Finland in June?
2017-07-03T01:44:34 < kakimir> grass
2017-07-03T01:44:38 < englishman> ah yes
2017-07-03T01:44:56 < kakimir> I don't know the correct term for it
2017-07-03T01:45:02 < kakimir> silage?
2017-07-03T01:45:16 < englishman> yes
2017-07-03T01:46:18 < Rob235> when using a belt drive you have the motor on one end, what do you call the other end? what can you use a 5mm or 8mm rod to put the pulley on
2017-07-03T01:47:16 < kakimir> crt: how do I pleasure my cat properly?
2017-07-03T01:47:41 < kakimir> so that she doesn't get annoyed too soon
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2017-07-03T01:50:20 < crt> ?
2017-07-03T01:51:05 < mitrax> kakimir: live mice
2017-07-03T01:51:36 < kakimir> there is plenty
2017-07-03T01:52:11 < kakimir> they hunt outside at night and are pumped
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2017-07-03T02:06:56 < tobloron_> dumb question: I'm trying to use flash memory for in application programming. I'm guessing I can use the stuff in <target>_hal_flash.h to accomplish this, right?
2017-07-03T02:08:08 < dongs> ya?
2017-07-03T02:12:06 < tobloron_> dongs: awesome. how can I determine where its safe to write? Look at the datasheet and pick a spot that isn't reserved?
2017-07-03T02:12:32 < tobloron_> eg: http://imgur.com/a/JAK0h
2017-07-03T02:12:50 < tpw_rules> that's the entire address space
2017-07-03T02:12:57 < tpw_rules> flash is only present at the bit that says "Flash memory"
2017-07-03T02:13:20 < tpw_rules> and places that are safe to write are places in flash that you don't care about overwriting. it's all your code
2017-07-03T02:13:21 < tobloron_> right, but I should be able to pick a spot ther?
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2017-07-03T02:13:25 < Laurenceb_> I can't even right now
2017-07-03T02:13:27 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40474118
2017-07-03T02:13:39 < tpw_rules> tobloron_: yeah
2017-07-03T02:13:53 < Laurenceb_> what a time to be alive
2017-07-03T02:13:54 < tpw_rules> i mean if you're not careful you'll overwrite some important part of your own code
2017-07-03T02:14:15 < tpw_rules> Laurenceb_: i like the alternate clip of the fbi beating the shit out of trump
2017-07-03T02:14:31 < dongs> tobloron_: you can write anywhere your code doesnt exist.
2017-07-03T02:14:39 < tobloron_> right, that brings up my next dumb question: where do I find where my code has been written to?
2017-07-03T02:14:51 < kakimir> tpw_rules: 1) write backwards from end of the flash OR 2) allocate space in binary
2017-07-03T02:14:51 < dongs> you can adjust your linker parameters to never make firmware > certain size, and use top pages of flash for stuff like storage etc.
2017-07-03T02:14:56 < kakimir> tobloron_: *
2017-07-03T02:16:24 < tobloron_> kakimir: why write backwards? That assumes the program has been written to the start?
2017-07-03T02:17:15 < kakimir> or pick some address you assume is free and write towards end of flash area
2017-07-03T02:17:23 < tobloron_> right, ok
2017-07-03T02:17:38 < tpw_rules> also you probably can't safely use any of the flash functions without calling them from ram
2017-07-03T02:18:05 < kakimir> why not?
2017-07-03T02:18:32 < tpw_rules> cause when the flash is being written to, you can't execute code from it
2017-07-03T02:19:01 < tpw_rules> i think you can be like __ramfunc in front of the function and it will be placed in ram
2017-07-03T02:19:15 < tpw_rules> but it will permanently occupy that space
2017-07-03T02:19:27 < kakimir> in ram?
2017-07-03T02:19:32 < tpw_rules> yeah
2017-07-03T02:19:37 < tobloron_> hmm, thats interesting... at what point does it get placed in ram?
2017-07-03T02:19:47 < tpw_rules> before main()
2017-07-03T02:20:13 < englishman> tobloron_: where your compiler places your code should be in compiler/linker settings somewhere. In keil its in the project settings menu, you can select valid flash regions for flash (and ram) there. Then just use a free flash page from the reference manual
2017-07-03T02:22:05 < kakimir> tpw_rules: so nice way is to malloc and place it there then free after use?
2017-07-03T02:22:40 < tpw_rules> kakimir: what i do is just hand assemble a tiny stub and copy it to some stack var
2017-07-03T02:22:57 < tpw_rules> actually idk how _hal_flash.h handles it
2017-07-03T02:23:05 < tpw_rules> lemme check
2017-07-03T02:24:07 < tpw_rules> oh yeah it handles those for you
2017-07-03T02:24:12 < tpw_rules> sorry for misleading
2017-07-03T02:24:29 < kakimir> it mallocs and places something in ram?
2017-07-03T02:24:50 < tpw_rules> i thiiink it stays in ram always
2017-07-03T02:25:07 < tpw_rules> it's in a .data section
2017-07-03T02:25:13 < kakimir> how big?
2017-07-03T02:25:21 < tpw_rules> idk
2017-07-03T02:28:21 < tobloron_> so i'm not using keil, but the location should be specified somewhere in the linker script, correct?
2017-07-03T02:29:42 < tobloron_> that is, the ide I'm using doesn't really know anything about the toolchain
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2017-07-03T02:35:59 < kakimir> what are you using?
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2017-07-03T02:37:03 < tobloron_> kakimir: ehhh qtcreator + cmake :^)
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2017-07-03T02:38:45 < kakimir> it's okay
2017-07-03T02:38:55 < kakimir> but rare combo
2017-07-03T02:39:21 < tobloron_> seems to be working pretty well right now, I've got jtag debugging over openocd working
2017-07-03T02:39:57 < tobloron_> and its kinda forced me to learn some more of the build process than I would have otherwise
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2017-07-03T02:44:28 < Rob235> hmm, I can pay $65 to get access to a 3d printer at a library for 10c a gram of material
2017-07-03T02:44:39 < Rob235> thats probably worth it
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2017-07-03T02:51:33 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/5N403SD.jpg
2017-07-03T02:53:19 < kakimir> is that photoshop?
2017-07-03T02:53:46 < kakimir> do we need to say NSFW on this channel anymore?
2017-07-03T02:57:14 < Rob235> what a small penis, he should be embarrassed
2017-07-03T03:22:33 < englishman> about to /ignore upgrdman on a timer. Evenings and weekends just aren't good for him
2017-07-03T03:23:11 < dongs> < tobloron_> kakimir: ehhh qtcreator + cmake :^)
2017-07-03T03:23:16 < dongs> why are you wasting time
2017-07-03T03:23:31 < dongs> is your goal to write code + get shit done, or to jerk off
2017-07-03T03:23:55 < tobloron_> jerk off for sure.
2017-07-03T03:24:00 < tobloron_> : P
2017-07-03T03:24:02 < dongs> ok, then you're on the right path
2017-07-03T03:24:06 < tobloron_> what should I be using instead?
2017-07-03T03:24:19 < dongs> notice which IDEs cube generates code for
2017-07-03T03:24:21 < dongs> one of those.
2017-07-03T03:24:27 < dongs> what processor?
2017-07-03T03:24:31 < dongs> F0 or anything else?
2017-07-03T03:24:35 < dongs> keil for F0 is free.
2017-07-03T03:24:54 < dongs> sw4stm32 is eclipse aids, and is also free
2017-07-03T03:24:59 < dongs> but is at least supported by cube
2017-07-03T03:29:46 < tobloron_> dongs: im using f3
2017-07-03T03:33:20 < tobloron_> dongs: so what prevents cube from supporting other ides? Doesn't it just generate code and the platform configuration for your hardware?
2017-07-03T03:41:19 < dongs> no idea
2017-07-03T03:41:22 < dongs> i dont do makefiles
2017-07-03T03:41:31 < dongs> i have more important shit to do like actually writing code that works
2017-07-03T03:42:16 < Rob235> nice, found library closer that I dont have to pay to join to use the 3d printer
2017-07-03T03:44:41 < tobloron_> dongs: sure, sure. I'm just trying to get the lay of the land
2017-07-03T03:56:06 < Laurenceb_> eclipse is aids
2017-07-03T03:56:30 < Laurenceb_> never managed to make it do anything, even on windozer
2017-07-03T03:56:40 < Laurenceb_> other than fail epically
2017-07-03T03:59:06 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/BkRxICk
2017-07-03T03:59:10 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-07-03T04:00:52 < Laurenceb_> MERLIN'S BEARD!
2017-07-03T04:01:21 < Laurenceb_> as a certified wizard I am allowed to post this
2017-07-03T04:05:06 < Laurenceb_> Y-yeah, I'm a Christian. T-that's why I'm a virgin.
2017-07-03T04:06:30 < dongs> hey laurence/b/, your content isnt vey funny
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2017-07-03T04:55:09 < crt> sup
2017-07-03T05:00:53 < crt> 2 stroopwafels
2017-07-03T05:02:56 < crt> http://www.templeos.org/Main170702.JPG
2017-07-03T05:04:39 < upgrdman> why
2017-07-03T05:04:41 < upgrdman> just why
2017-07-03T05:05:00 < dongs> haha
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2017-07-03T05:12:15 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKmWeATngb4 oh, this happened
2017-07-03T05:12:16 < dongs> thorn missed it
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2017-07-03T05:24:22 < crt> jaundice much
2017-07-03T05:24:25 < dongs> or rather, it didnt happen
2017-07-03T05:24:49 < dongs> https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/881127176740982784/photo/1
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2017-07-03T05:31:54 < crt> oh yeah
2017-07-03T05:36:20 < dongs> http://www.linux-praktiker.de/images/rueckblende/2017_02_14_richard-stallman-in-koeln/richard-stallman-in-koeln_013.jpg
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2017-07-03T06:55:03 < englishman> lunix-praktiker
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2017-07-03T07:51:35 < dongs> Learn Git and GitHub without any code!
2017-07-03T07:51:35 < dongs> Using the Hello World guide, you’ll create a repository, start a branch,
2017-07-03T07:51:35 < dongs> write comments, and open a pull request.
2017-07-03T07:59:24 < dongs> uh
2017-07-03T07:59:28 < dongs> anyone here with shithub corp account
2017-07-03T07:59:32 < dongs> can you add non-paying members
2017-07-03T07:59:37 < dongs> as contributors to your shit
2017-07-03T08:00:01 < dongs> or is it a pyramid scheme where everyone has to pay up
2017-07-03T08:15:22 < crt> it
2017-07-03T08:15:25 < crt> blow up
2017-07-03T08:15:51 < crt> bad goyim
2017-07-03T08:17:26 < dongs> crt, you're on a pumping spree again
2017-07-03T08:17:33 < dongs> thats not a very good thing either
2017-07-03T08:17:54 < crt> they're making me fix this horrid amplifier mate
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2017-07-03T08:44:01 < ReadError>  <+broner> not clicking that fornication is a makefile
2017-07-03T08:44:17 < ReadError> bot seems to have learned sometin from dongs
2017-07-03T08:46:55 < crt> wut
2017-07-03T08:47:12 < ReadError> but that one isnt from dongschat
2017-07-03T08:47:15 < ReadError> odd
2017-07-03T08:47:43 < crt> ok
2017-07-03T08:47:48 < crt> what about ##stm32
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2017-07-03T09:13:23 < crt> anyone know where PeterM is
2017-07-03T09:14:27 < dongs> avoiding you
2017-07-03T09:17:07 < dongs> http://nypost.com/2017/06/30/i-love-my-sex-doll-because-she-never-grumbles/ japs
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2017-07-03T09:20:47 < crt> :(
2017-07-03T09:21:24 < dongs> crt, that guy is probably some Pioneer exec
2017-07-03T09:21:48 < crt> not a doubt in my mind
2017-07-03T09:23:06 < crt> make a sex doll where the orifices purge all 'fluids' at 6pm daily senpai
2017-07-03T09:23:11 < dongs> hm my shitty F4 I2C driver is starting to fail sometimes when there's too much systick crap going on
2017-07-03T09:23:18 < dongs> time to figure out how to fix it
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2017-07-03T09:23:24 < dongs> or amybe steal from hal??????????
2017-07-03T09:23:29 < crt> hmmmmm...
2017-07-03T09:23:49 < crt> your call
2017-07-03T09:28:56 < ohsix> sup
2017-07-03T09:29:12 < ohsix> there's nobody on here from portland is there
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2017-07-03T10:20:11 < dongs> what a fucking surprise
2017-07-03T10:20:32 < dongs> gun nuts are also objectifying women
2017-07-03T10:27:52 < dongs> fukkin hell
2017-07-03T10:27:58 < ohsix> when does the stm32 chat happen
2017-07-03T10:27:59 < dongs> hooked up one of the leds to PB2
2017-07-03T10:28:02 < dongs> most fucking uselses pin
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2017-07-03T10:37:25 < dongs> https://youtu.be/X446bBiqiGw?t=164 aandrew i didnt know you contribute to bullshit youtube patreonistas
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2017-07-03T10:50:34 < Steffanx> See dongs bot was you, ReadErr
2017-07-03T10:50:38 < Steffanx> ReadError
2017-07-03T10:50:50 < Steffanx> ReadErroror
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2017-07-03T12:38:31 < ohsix> hm
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2017-07-03T12:39:00 < ohsix> supposedly in oct 2016 the fda classified non-red lasers as 'defective'
2017-07-03T12:39:05 < ohsix> to block import
2017-07-03T12:54:37 < crt> the 8bit shit
2017-07-03T13:11:29 < crt> Steffan you there mate?
2017-07-03T13:13:49 < karlp> dongs: re github stuff, depends on new or old plans I guess.  old plan your corp account would have to count the "non-paying members" as part of your user count, just like any other staff member.
2017-07-03T13:13:56 < karlp> no idea on the "new" style accounts
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2017-07-03T13:41:11 < kakimir> I wonder what diagnostic cable to buy for audi and if that elm32 crap is any good for anything?
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2017-07-03T14:00:38  * karlp has a super cheap bluetooth elm thing, works good
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2017-07-03T14:21:43 < dongs> only ST
2017-07-03T14:21:52 < dongs> can make stm32f4xx_hal_i2c.c 170 fucking kilobytes
2017-07-03T14:21:56 < dongs> what the fucking hell
2017-07-03T14:21:59 < dongs> are they doing in it
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2017-07-03T14:29:05 < kakimir> karlp: does it work with any decent suftware?
2017-07-03T14:29:28 < kakimir> I wonder if I should drive to city to have a pee
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2017-07-03T14:31:48 < Laurenceb_> part 44
2017-07-03T14:31:50 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVaVbn7eIFs
2017-07-03T14:31:54 < Laurenceb_> PART 44
2017-07-03T14:37:55 < Laurenceb_> just when I thought I was a loser with no life
2017-07-03T14:39:12 < crt> idk wtf creationists are
2017-07-03T14:39:14 < crt> btw
2017-07-03T14:39:27 < crt> the word itself sounds autistic as fuck
2017-07-03T14:40:23 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: don't be fooled. all evidence say you have no life
2017-07-03T14:40:35 < karlp> kakimir: hard to say.  I use "torque" mostly. I tried a few others, they're all a bit weird honestly, but the torque lets me see the codes, and clear them when it's the same boring dodgy sensor.
2017-07-03T14:44:17 < kakimir> I rather use VCDS for vags
2017-07-03T14:44:47 < kakimir> I wonder if there is any even more "pro" tool that let you essentially hack your vag?
2017-07-03T14:45:18 < kakimir> same as bmws production tools such as inpa expert
2017-07-03T14:46:10 < crt> wtfamireading
2017-07-03T14:47:00 < qyx> dongs: don't you know about any decent 7" hdmi open-frame displays with touch overlay?
2017-07-03T14:47:06 < qyx> iirc you made something
2017-07-03T14:47:09 < qyx> although a bit bigger
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2017-07-03T15:31:30 < crt> https://youtu.be/7WwLT32_VAk?t=34m20s
2017-07-03T15:38:45 < crt> that was meant for stffn
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2017-07-03T15:39:25 < Laurenceb_> ok thats weird
2017-07-03T15:42:59 < crt> whats the matter laurence
2017-07-03T15:43:33 < Laurenceb_> ur car2uuunnn
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2017-07-03T15:44:52 < crt> mmmh
2017-07-03T15:45:01 < crt> that's what australians did with mspaint
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2017-07-03T16:15:11 < Rob235> for about 8-12 amps is there any benefit to going with one of these types of casings: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-12V-1-3-5-10-15-20-25-30A-Switching-Power-Supply-Driver-for-LED-Strip-/161285389741 over something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-100V-240V-Power-Supply-Switching-Adapter-to-DC-12V-24V-For-LED-Strip-Lights-/201476772232
2017-07-03T16:17:13 < karlp> not having to use and find the right sort of barrel jack?
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2017-07-03T16:21:52 < Steffanx> What do i need that crap for crt ?
2017-07-03T16:28:12 < crt> Norton
2017-07-03T16:28:21 < crt> You asked about norton
2017-07-03T16:41:30 < englishman> kakimir: obdeleven has been pretty good for the price. but it's no vag-com
2017-07-03T16:52:16 < fest> Rob235: the metal cases are better when you mount them in existing wiring cabinet
2017-07-03T16:52:27 < Rob235> I see
2017-07-03T16:54:10 < englishman> highway billboard said "Intel boot failure"
2017-07-03T16:54:13 < englishman> buying $AMD
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2017-07-03T18:05:29 < Laurenceb_> wew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-r5aLe19dQ
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2017-07-03T18:06:24 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-r5aLe19dQ?t=1m33s
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2017-07-03T18:46:47 < kuldeep> st-link on nucleo board output MCO to target uC but seem to be generating ~230Hz MCO
2017-07-03T18:46:51 < kuldeep> any tip?
2017-07-03T18:47:19 < kuldeep> (using openocd to connect to stlink  stlink v2.1)
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2017-07-03T18:53:07 < kuldeep> if it had generated something like 8MHz, it would have been better since i do not have to place a crystal myself
2017-07-03T18:53:41 < englishman> hmm, that's how the target mcu gets its clock on disco boards, but not sure about nucleo, since stlink can be detached
2017-07-03T18:54:35 < englishman> which nucleo exactly
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2017-07-03T19:43:43 < kuldeep> englishman, f303
2017-07-03T20:05:56 < Laurenceb_> https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/24/hyper-chariot-aims-go-faster-cheaper-hyperloop/
2017-07-03T20:05:59 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-07-03T20:08:46 < Rob235> https://pastebin.com/sRbpY6wQ
2017-07-03T20:08:47 < Rob235> :P
2017-07-03T20:20:05 < englishman> kuldeep: F303K8? the little tiny one?
2017-07-03T20:20:34 < kuldeep> englishman, nucleo-f303re
2017-07-03T20:21:14 < englishman> MCO from ST-LINK: MCO output of ST-LINK MCU is used as input clock. This
2017-07-03T20:21:14 < englishman> frequency cannot be changed, it is fixed at 8 MHz and connected to
2017-07-03T20:21:14 < englishman> PF0/PD0/PH0-OSC_IN of the STM32 microcontroller.
2017-07-03T20:21:21 < englishman> are you sure you didn't dick something up??? :)
2017-07-03T20:22:09 < englishman> pretty sure f103 doesnt have MCO dividers etc. on its output either so 230Hz would be very hard to actually produce
2017-07-03T20:22:47 < kuldeep> englishman, under CRO, it is showing 230Hz
2017-07-03T20:23:56 < englishman> what's CRO?
2017-07-03T20:24:43 < karlp> you're old enough to know that, surely.
2017-07-03T20:24:54 < kuldeep> englishman, RIGOL DS1052E
2017-07-03T20:25:37 < kuldeep> oh yea, correct term should be DSO.
2017-07-03T20:25:41 < englishman> og jeez
2017-07-03T20:27:30 < englishman> dono man that sounds highly suspicious
2017-07-03T20:27:53 < kuldeep> lol, i was viewing the waveform highly undersampled.
2017-07-03T20:28:56 < kuldeep> at low sampling frequency, it was showing a nearly perfect 230Hz square wave.
2017-07-03T20:30:20 < kuldeep> englishman, thanks for finding the right text that atleast confirm the 8Mhz MCO output. if i knew it was doing that, i would have solved the issue earlier :D
2017-07-03T20:30:38 < englishman> good old copypaste from the user manual trick
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2017-07-03T21:35:57 < Steffanx> ...Damn, you're goood englishman.
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2017-07-03T22:18:16 < Steffanx> What mail client do pros use on windows (whcih is not called outlook)
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2017-07-03T22:22:54 < Rob235> gmail.com
2017-07-03T22:24:04 < Steffanx> And is not web based :P
2017-07-03T22:24:06 < englishman> inbox, in a browser tabs (because i have learned how to use browser tabs)
2017-07-03T22:24:53 < Steffanx> I've  so many tabs open that it gets lost.
2017-07-03T22:26:53 < sync> just open a new one all the time
2017-07-03T22:28:16 < Steffanx> That's what i do, but it annoys me
2017-07-03T22:29:17 < sync> understandable
2017-07-03T22:29:30 < sync> I just use the thundering bird, but it sucks
2017-07-03T22:30:03 < englishman> shortcut to inbox on taskbar
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2017-07-03T22:44:24 < Steffanx> Next time i'll just ask kakimir.
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2017-07-03T22:44:31 < Steffanx> thunderbird it is sadly.
2017-07-03T22:44:49 < gxti> very sad
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2017-07-03T22:45:18 < Steffanx> Enlighten me, gxti
2017-07-03T22:45:28 < gxti> i dunno, i use thunderbird too
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2017-07-03T23:20:49 < upgrdman> in c enums, is it guaranteed that the first enum will be == 0, the next == 1, etc, or is that impl def?
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2017-07-03T23:27:14 < Thorn> If enumerator is not followed by = constant-expression, its value is the value one greater than the value of the previous enumerator in the same enumeration. The value of the first enumerator (if it does not use = constant-expression) is zero.
2017-07-03T23:27:58 < Thorn> http://en.cppreference.com/w/c/language/enum
2017-07-03T23:28:23 < upgrdman> <3
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2017-07-04T00:13:19 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome
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2017-07-04T00:21:11 < vampi-the-frog> hey
2017-07-04T00:21:15 < vampi-the-frog> fat chicks are fluffy
2017-07-04T00:21:29 < karlp> hohoho
2017-07-04T00:21:29 < vampi-the-frog> karlp sent me here
2017-07-04T00:21:44 < karlp> it still needs context vampi.
2017-07-04T00:22:05 < vampi-the-frog> well some chicks are fat
2017-07-04T00:22:17 < vampi-the-frog> .
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2017-07-04T00:31:28 < kakimir> some are into chubbies
2017-07-04T00:32:29 < vampi-the-frog> I'm in the right place
2017-07-04T00:33:31 < kakimir> I don't say I am
2017-07-04T00:33:47 < vampi-the-frog> shhhhh
2017-07-04T00:33:51 < kakimir> are you feeder vampi-the-frog ?
2017-07-04T00:33:53 < vampi-the-frog> you're beautiful on the inside
2017-07-04T00:34:39 < kakimir> somewhere deep inside
2017-07-04T00:34:53 < kakimir> little bit of beauti
2017-07-04T00:49:45 < kakimir> new volvos look proper
2017-07-04T00:52:51 < kakimir> and maybe proper engines too
2017-07-04T00:53:56 < kakimir> I wonder if they have done proper awd drivetrain
2017-07-04T00:54:17 < Rob235> time to design my first 3d printed part, if only it could interpret my shitty photoshop drawing
2017-07-04T00:54:38 < kakimir> use openscad ;)
2017-07-04T00:55:15 < Rob235> I installed fusion 360
2017-07-04T00:55:24 < kakimir> good choise
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2017-07-04T00:59:52 < Steffanx> Vampi has to meet crt
2017-07-04T01:01:21 < kakimir> vampi + crt + laurenceb
2017-07-04T01:08:33 < englishman> i like fat chicks http://i.imgur.com/z3Yi6oi.jpg?1
2017-07-04T01:10:11 < upgrdman> the voltage across a cap is linear wrt current? e.g. if 1uA constant, the voltage will rise linearly over time, right?
2017-07-04T01:10:56 < kakimir> those are getting bigger englishman !
2017-07-04T01:11:17 < kakimir> you need to order fish cock from varusteleka when you order something englishman
2017-07-04T01:11:29 < englishman> varusteleka order arrives wednesday \o/
2017-07-04T01:11:45 < kakimir> cuisine of very area I live in
2017-07-04T01:12:02 < kakimir> rye break that has fish meat baked in
2017-07-04T01:12:09 < englishman> interesting
2017-07-04T01:12:19 < kakimir> you can bake it yourself too
2017-07-04T01:12:27 < kakimir> if you are in cooking
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2017-07-04T01:25:33 < crt> Morning
2017-07-04T01:28:36 < Laurenceb_> lul @ Hobbit film court case
2017-07-04T01:28:47 < Laurenceb_> "the rights agreement entitled the studio to create only 'tangible' merchandise based on the books, not other digital exploitations that the estate called highly offensive."
2017-07-04T01:29:00 < Laurenceb_> accurate description is accurate
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2017-07-04T01:29:31 < crt> Pumping spree
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2017-07-04T01:57:43 < Laurenceb_> http://www.rogerschank.com/fraudulent-claims-made-by-IBM-about-Watson-and-AI
2017-07-04T01:57:56 < Laurenceb_> Actual thinking entities have a point of view about ISIS. Dogs donÂ’t but Watson isn't as smart as a dog
2017-07-04T01:58:03 < Laurenceb_> mysides.jpg
2017-07-04T02:01:43 < Laurenceb_> From 2005 to 2007, Schank was the chief learning officer of Trump University
2017-07-04T02:01:48 < Laurenceb_> W E W
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2017-07-04T02:33:11 < kakimir> Laurenceb_:
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2017-07-04T02:36:02 < Laurenceb_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Catering-Trailers-Business-Box-/322572156039
2017-07-04T02:36:19 < Laurenceb_> the graphics looks /pol/ tier
2017-07-04T02:37:11 < Laurenceb_> was expecting "benis"
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2017-07-04T02:41:51  * Laurenceb_ contemplates buying for troll value
2017-07-04T02:41:59 < englishman> fucking timecube
2017-07-04T02:42:42 < ohsix> what nonsense is going on in here
2017-07-04T02:42:51 < Laurenceb_> drive by irishing
2017-07-04T02:44:07 < kakimir> 02:40 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with Steffanx
2017-07-04T02:44:07 < kakimir> 02:40 <kakimir> let's kick laurence someday
2017-07-04T02:44:07 < kakimir> 02:41 <kakimir> for funs at least
2017-07-04T02:44:29 < Laurenceb_> dats ebil
2017-07-04T02:45:52 < Laurenceb_>  > buys van
2017-07-04T02:45:59 < Laurenceb_>  >  parks in Northern Ireland
2017-07-04T02:46:11 < kakimir> did you find that van in chan?
2017-07-04T02:46:43 < kakimir> are you just relaying chan to this channel?
2017-07-04T02:48:40 < kakimir> I think we need to make relaying chans in amounts to this channel forbidden with one warning shot
2017-07-04T02:51:09 < ohsix> i need halp with cad garbage and nobody is around anywhere
2017-07-04T02:51:17 < ohsix> entering models is hard w/ solvespace
2017-07-04T02:52:33 < Laurenceb_> so use FreeCAD
2017-07-04T02:52:44 < ohsix> i used librecad the other day, it's pretty good
2017-07-04T02:52:57 < branjb> ooo
2017-07-04T02:53:11 < ohsix> someone had to do 2d drafting entry stuff to plan a porch and it did most/all the stuff i used autocad for way way back in the day
2017-07-04T02:53:17 < branjb> HR status changed from Submission Under Review to Under Consideration
2017-07-04T02:53:24 < ohsix> where at?
2017-07-04T02:53:29 < branjb> instead of the normal No Longer Being Considered
2017-07-04T02:53:36 < kakimir> freecad works
2017-07-04T02:53:42 < branjb> raytheon
2017-07-04T02:53:51 < ohsix> so does fusion360 tho
2017-07-04T02:53:53 < Laurenceb_> oh nice...I guess
2017-07-04T02:54:07 < Laurenceb_> depends what the position is
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2017-07-04T02:54:09 < ohsix> also blender :| which is totally fine for this
2017-07-04T02:54:13 < branjb> fusion360 is sweet except for the lag
2017-07-04T02:54:18 < branjb> it does CAM too
2017-07-04T02:54:20 < ohsix> what lag?
2017-07-04T02:54:33 < branjb> shit is super choppy for me, inventor runs with 0 issues
2017-07-04T02:54:35 < ohsix> ui elements taking a while to appear?
2017-07-04T02:54:38 < branjb> yeah
2017-07-04T02:54:39 < Laurenceb_> branjb: what position?
2017-07-04T02:54:43 < ohsix> no idea
2017-07-04T02:54:54 < ohsix> i've only ever used it on one computer and it isn't mine or an amazing computer
2017-07-04T02:54:59 < Laurenceb_> at Raytheon
2017-07-04T02:55:34 < branjb> Laurenceb_: systems engineer, so meh.  but I have interviews for a firmware and EE spot lined up as well
2017-07-04T02:55:57 < Laurenceb_> ah ok
2017-07-04T02:56:28 < Laurenceb_> in my experience (EADS) entry level people get lumped with really lame tasks at such companies
2017-07-04T02:56:29 < branjb> i don't know enough about systems engineering to know if i'll like it.  the hiring manager said it can vary from high level GUI to hardware design
2017-07-04T02:56:44 < branjb> gotta start somewhere
2017-07-04T02:56:51 < Laurenceb_> you might get asked to do boring paperwork all day
2017-07-04T02:56:54 < Laurenceb_> I guess
2017-07-04T02:56:58 < branjb> boring paperwork better than no job
2017-07-04T02:57:02 < Laurenceb_> I couldn't take that sort of shit
2017-07-04T02:57:11 < Laurenceb_> better to do crapillary refill :P
2017-07-04T02:57:15 < kakimir> branjb: depends
2017-07-04T02:57:27 < Laurenceb_> I guess if you stay for about a decade you can progress to v nice wage
2017-07-04T02:57:35 < ohsix> high level gui is labview
2017-07-04T02:57:43 < branjb> i'm mostly concerned with getting experience to not get entry level jobs anymore
2017-07-04T02:57:46 < ohsix> at least raytheon is hueg, you can apply for shit internally
2017-07-04T02:57:55 < branjb> yeah that's what i figure
2017-07-04T02:58:00 < Laurenceb_> hahaha wow
2017-07-04T02:58:07 < Laurenceb_> so crapillary refill then
2017-07-04T02:58:15 < branjb> if i don't like it after a year or two, there are tons of jobs i'd probably like that i could apply internally for
2017-07-04T02:58:16 < Laurenceb_> we needed labview guis
2017-07-04T02:58:39 < Laurenceb_> lul well if its that at least its only semi boring
2017-07-04T02:58:44 < Laurenceb_> if very lame
2017-07-04T02:58:51 < ohsix> oh to be employed in a boring job
2017-07-04T02:58:59 < Laurenceb_> paid to use labview is like lego :P
2017-07-04T02:59:50 < branjb> raytheon seems to pay ok
2017-07-04T03:00:17 < branjb> entry level $70k, ~$10k more with each promotion
2017-07-04T03:00:32 < Laurenceb_> nice
2017-07-04T03:00:54 < Laurenceb_> more than crapillary
2017-07-04T03:01:16 < branjb> the software job i'm interviewing for is sr software eng I, glassdoor says ~$90k
2017-07-04T03:01:22 < branjb> dunno how accurate glassdoor is vs real world
2017-07-04T03:01:27 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Y11hwjMNs
2017-07-04T03:02:16 < Laurenceb_> thing is you have to work 9-5
2017-07-04T03:02:33 < Laurenceb_> crapillary I could leave the country for 3months and nobody would know
2017-07-04T03:02:47 < branjb> what is crapillary?
2017-07-04T03:06:57 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capillary_refill
2017-07-04T03:07:46 < ohsix> why don't you work for theranos
2017-07-04T03:07:48 < branjb> lol
2017-07-04T03:07:54 < branjb> isn't their CEO in jail now?
2017-07-04T03:08:12 < ohsix> they've got some political heavy hitters on their board and can't actually do what they say they do
2017-07-04T03:08:49 < branjb> what about uBeam, I heard they were cool too
2017-07-04T03:09:07 < ohsix> they don't have the same bilking power
2017-07-04T03:11:06 < Laurenceb_> yeah CRT is pretty much theranos
2017-07-04T03:11:29 < ohsix> there's a chapo trap house episode about theranos ceo where they talk about the board and shit
2017-07-04T03:11:43 < Laurenceb_> >trap
2017-07-04T03:11:48 < Laurenceb_> >theranos CEO
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2017-07-04T03:12:49 < branjb> http://jail.com/arrest-records/elizabeth-holmes-10339873
2017-07-04T03:13:46 < ohsix> https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-42-uber-for-ubermenschen-feat-nkulw-and-edzitron-91816
2017-07-04T03:14:27 < Laurenceb_> haha thats awesome
2017-07-04T03:15:26 < branjb> that's why it's a roast
2017-07-04T03:15:27 < branjb> lol
2017-07-04T03:16:00 < Laurenceb_> wew she looks awful on the photo
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2017-07-04T03:16:50 < branjb> jesus: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1499125610622.png
2017-07-04T03:16:53 < crt> If I can't choose capacitors I won't EE
2017-07-04T03:17:22 < Thorn> Intelsat 35e Launch Webcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASbCLpWDPV4
2017-07-04T03:17:40 < Thorn> https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/07/02/falcon-9-intelsat-35e-mission-status-center/
2017-07-04T03:18:02 < crt> The proservice life
2017-07-04T03:18:10 < crt> I have $20 in my wallet
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2017-07-04T03:19:14 < crt> Over 10k of unpaid bills from customers
2017-07-04T03:20:31 < crt> CRT credit company
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2017-07-04T03:24:27 < kakimir> bills late?
2017-07-04T03:24:43 < crt> Lol
2017-07-04T03:24:58 < crt> Nah it's standard operation in this industry
2017-07-04T03:25:24 < Thorn> T-10 min
2017-07-04T03:25:34 < crt> Clients hop from repair shop to repair shop expecting credit, fuck one over, move to the next
2017-07-04T03:26:33 < kakimir> oh
2017-07-04T03:26:39 < kakimir> you mean they dont ever pay?
2017-07-04T03:26:56 < crt> They pay
2017-07-04T03:27:05 < crt> If you hassle the for 11 weeks
2017-07-04T03:27:12 < crt> Burn hours chasing them
2017-07-04T03:27:38 < crt> Cause I got 5 hours a day to chase bills and not earn money
2017-07-04T03:28:16 < ohsix> how do they get their equipment back without settling up
2017-07-04T03:28:45 < crt> No it goes to them because good guy suck everyone's cock releases them on credit
2017-07-04T03:29:35 < sync> also you don't have a lot of time, they want their shit back asap
2017-07-04T03:29:49 < sync> but I made those bois pay cash up front after they tried that once
2017-07-04T03:29:52 < crt> "Keep the customer happy"
2017-07-04T03:30:26 < crt> I got 15,000 of equipment sitting there for repair
2017-07-04T03:30:38 < crt> Waiting for he last bill to be paid before I start
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2017-07-04T03:32:13 < crt> Have your credit, $120 a phone call for me to chase you. Fair?
2017-07-04T03:32:25 < crt> 0h you don't like that?
2017-07-04T03:33:55 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASbCLpWDPV4
2017-07-04T03:34:00 < ReadError> pew pew
2017-07-04T03:34:04 < ReadError> spacex
2017-07-04T03:35:29 < Thorn> lol
2017-07-04T03:46:28 < crt> Bang bang eddie trang
2017-07-04T04:11:27 < dongs> https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2016-June/014964.html
2017-07-04T04:13:15 < Rob235> cad blows
2017-07-04T04:14:11 < Rob235> all im doing is placing a rectangle on a sketch on the face of an extruded rectangle and when I try to set constraints it tells me everything will overconstrain the sketch
2017-07-04T04:14:20 < Rob235> I dont want to spend time learning :(
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2017-07-04T04:20:52 < aandrew> it's ok. just whine here and someone will do it for you
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2017-07-04T04:22:34 < dongs> yes
2017-07-04T04:22:36 < dongs> upgrdman: will
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2017-07-04T04:32:25 < Rob235> :)
2017-07-04T04:33:22 < upgrdman> dongs, will what?
2017-07-04T04:33:33 < dongs> donno
2017-07-04T04:33:34 < dongs> anythign
2017-07-04T04:34:56 < dongs> fucking cube
2017-07-04T04:35:08 < dongs> getting harder to find working exa,ples of obscure shit that isnt cube/hal
2017-07-04T04:35:10 < dongs> fucking annoying
2017-07-04T04:35:29 < dongs> so i gotta deniggerize it twice, first from HAL and then again from bullshit ST coding style
2017-07-04T04:35:37 < upgrdman> mhmmm
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2017-07-04T04:50:23 < dongs> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/6225
2017-07-04T04:50:54 < englishman> god damn hal is such a bloated piece of shit
2017-07-04T04:50:58 < dongs> yes
2017-07-04T04:51:18 < englishman> lets see if LL is any better
2017-07-04T04:51:51 < dongs> thank fuck they sitll maintain stdperiphlib for all the platforms that amtter
2017-07-04T04:52:17 < dongs> am I not supposed to do I2C stop after reading w/nack for last byte?
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2017-07-04T04:58:23 < englishman> hmm LL is even dumber than stdperiphlib
2017-07-04T04:58:37 < englishman> tons of repetition
2017-07-04T04:58:53 < dongs> time to switch to libopencm3
2017-07-04T04:58:54 < dongs> amirite
2017-07-04T04:58:59 < dongs> so you can have 20 makefiles
2017-07-04T04:59:01 < dongs> and 100 folders
2017-07-04T05:00:16 < englishman>   LL_DMA_SetDataTransferDirection(DMA1, LL_DMA_CHANNEL_3, LL_DMA_DIRECTION_MEMORY_TO_PERIPH);
2017-07-04T05:00:16 < englishman>   LL_DMA_SetDataLength(DMA1, LL_DMA_CHANNEL_3, DMA_BUFFER_SIZE);
2017-07-04T05:00:16 < englishman>   LL_DMA_SetPeriphIncMode(DMA1, LL_DMA_CHANNEL_3, LL_DMA_PERIPH_NOINCREMENT);
2017-07-04T05:00:20 < englishman> very ugly
2017-07-04T05:00:27 < dongs> ...
2017-07-04T05:00:53 < dongs> doesnt each one of those things just do DMAxy->CNDTR = foo type shit
2017-07-04T05:01:07 < englishman> yes
2017-07-04T05:01:10 < dongs> are tehy at least marked as inline or something
2017-07-04T05:01:14 < dongs> so the shit doesnt fucking bloat to fuck
2017-07-04T05:01:20 < englishman> yes
2017-07-04T05:01:22 < englishman> static inline
2017-07-04T05:01:31 < englishman> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mq7qT0zS/
2017-07-04T05:01:33 < dongs> ok well, thats not so terrible
2017-07-04T05:01:55 < dongs> just bullshit over-verbose naming of shit
2017-07-04T05:02:20 < englishman> all caps is hard to read
2017-07-04T05:02:26 < englishman> this is becoming write-once code
2017-07-04T05:02:36 < englishman> like what was wrong with this
2017-07-04T05:02:38 < englishman> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/xe1WpsTi/
2017-07-04T05:02:57 < dongs> i think what they tried to do here is to avoid having a DMA_INit thing
2017-07-04T05:03:01 < dongs> which fucks with many registers
2017-07-04T05:03:08 < dongs> and if y ou have to modify shit ilke cndtr
2017-07-04T05:03:11 < dongs> there was no accessor for that
2017-07-04T05:03:23 < dongs> so they split it all into separate functions that sorta abstract teh registers
2017-07-04T05:03:25 < englishman> instead it fucks with registers multiple times, and makes it completely unreadable
2017-07-04T05:03:29 < englishman> yeah i get it
2017-07-04T05:03:34 < englishman> but at least gimme that camelcase
2017-07-04T05:03:43 < dongs> french code is best code
2017-07-04T05:04:19 < dongs> i went to an atmel security/smartcard class few years back it was all french dudes there
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2017-07-04T05:18:47 < Rob235> umm yea I'm this pro, get used to it: https://imgur.com/a/0tiAa
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2017-07-04T05:26:37 < englishman> oh LL does have stdperiphlib-style init structs
2017-07-04T05:26:38 < englishman> yay
2017-07-04T05:26:59 < englishman> using LL from now on
2017-07-04T05:27:44 < dongs> onboard stlink is so fucking slow, damn
2017-07-04T05:27:50 < dongs> i got spoiled by jlink
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2017-07-04T06:04:11 < upgrdman> dongs, slow at what? uploading? conditional breakpoints?
2017-07-04T06:04:19 < upgrdman> trace?
2017-07-04T06:06:12 < dongs> everything
2017-07-04T06:06:18 < dongs> debugging with it
2017-07-04T06:06:40 < scrts> sup dongs
2017-07-04T06:06:42 < scrts> ?
2017-07-04T06:07:19 < dongs> not much. trying to debug some code on f0-disco before final hardware shows up
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2017-07-04T06:18:50 < crt> is it time to move to another cortex m vendor
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2017-07-04T06:19:57 < scrts> I was thinking of renesas
2017-07-04T06:20:27 < aandrew> has any of you ever screwed around with the trace modules in the cortex processors?
2017-07-04T06:20:39 < dongs> didn jpa write some opensores trash for it
2017-07-04T06:20:41 < aandrew> if so, what'd you use to grab and deocde the trace data?
2017-07-04T06:20:52 < dongs> um, jlink?
2017-07-04T06:21:01 < aandrew> yeah if you hav the expensive one
2017-07-04T06:21:03 < dongs> right
2017-07-04T06:21:08 < dongs> worth every fuckign $
2017-07-04T06:21:17 < aandrew> I've got a BDI2k I think it can do ETM
2017-07-04T06:21:37 < aandrew> luckily I haven't written a bug bad enough to need it yet
2017-07-04T06:21:37 < dongs> why do you think you need trace anyway
2017-07-04T06:21:41 < aandrew> I don't
2017-07-04T06:21:42 < aandrew> just curious
2017-07-04T06:22:31 < dongs> why the hell is logic analyzer on tek scope so fucking useless fuck
2017-07-04T06:23:04 < aandrew> heh
2017-07-04T06:23:13 < aandrew> I haven't found an MSO I'm truly happy with
2017-07-04T06:25:45 < dongs> back to my good old chink shit
2017-07-04T06:25:53 < dongs>  still havent found anything with less retarded softawre or better spec
2017-07-04T06:26:20 < dongs> oh hey
2017-07-04T06:26:22 < dongs> tyhey have au sb3.0 one now
2017-07-04T06:26:35 < dongs> http://www.acute.com.tw/eng/p3_product_detail.php?cid=1&tid=19
2017-07-04T06:26:36 < dongs> niice
2017-07-04T06:26:48 < aandrew> yeah I have a shitload of jlinks
2017-07-04T06:26:54 < aandrew> but they're all base/pro not any etm
2017-07-04T06:27:21 < dongs> 32Gb RAM
2017-07-04T06:27:23 < dongs> n i c e
2017-07-04T06:27:27 < aandrew> wow
2017-07-04T06:27:29 < dongs> evn tho thats 32gbit but
2017-07-04T06:27:32 < dongs> still nice
2017-07-04T06:27:37 < aandrew> for literally finding that needle in a haystack
2017-07-04T06:27:42 < dongs> yes
2017-07-04T06:28:11 < aandrew> looks spiff
2017-07-04T06:28:48 < aandrew> I just use my knockoff saleae 16 channel
2017-07-04T06:29:07 < dongs> saleae software is absolute trash
2017-07-04T06:29:14 < aandrew> you laugh but I actually like the sigrock stuff
2017-07-04T06:29:21 < dongs> these guys have awesome software *AND* tehy will fix bugs/ write decode modules for you on request within hours
2017-07-04T06:29:21 < aandrew> and yes saleae is good for quick and dirty shit
2017-07-04T06:29:31 < aandrew> but sigrok and streaming the output is nice
2017-07-04T06:29:58 < dongs> lol fucking sigrok. opensores filth
2017-07-04T06:30:04 < aandrew> yeah yeah
2017-07-04T06:30:51 < crt> nah
2017-07-04T06:30:54 < dongs> Acute LA3068EAcute 4GS/s 68 channel Logic Analyzer with 32Gb stackable memory$ 5,000.00
2017-07-04T06:30:54 < crt> i fucking don't even
2017-07-04T06:30:57 < dongs> aahaha
2017-07-04T06:31:00 < dongs> $5k
2017-07-04T06:31:07 < crt> "it doesn't read discs, i'll let you fix it crt"
2017-07-04T06:31:20 < crt> the whole fucking loader mech has half the parts UPSIDE DOWN"
2017-07-04T06:31:24 < crt> ..
2017-07-04T06:32:16 < crt> competition is strong in this industry \o/
2017-07-04T06:32:28 < englishman> canadian distributor site is dead
2017-07-04T06:33:04 < dongs> their USB2 stuff wasnt exactly cheap but 5k? fuck off
2017-07-04T06:33:10 < dongs> i should go visit thier office next week
2017-07-04T06:33:13 < dongs> see if I can bum a demo model
2017-07-04T06:33:16 < dongs> and forget to return it
2017-07-04T06:35:10 < crt> just fuck their shit up
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2017-07-04T06:49:15 < crt> First unit, HEMP00----LW, CD Mech hub was upside down and disassembled, stoned much?
2017-07-04T06:50:35 < crt> fucking pioneer SNs
2017-07-04T06:50:42 < crt> first GIMP now fucking HEMP
2017-07-04T06:56:25 < crt> all pioneer and no keil make crt a dull stm32
2017-07-04T07:11:12 < dongs> hm logic analyzer isnt helping with this trash either
2017-07-04T07:11:13 < dongs> wtf
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2017-07-04T07:33:25 < upgrdman> dongs, do people actually use 68 channels?
2017-07-04T07:33:49 < dongs> well, i supose if youre tapping some bullshit parallel bus
2017-07-04T07:34:11 < aandrew> yeah I've never used more than a dozen ro so
2017-07-04T07:34:19 < aandrew> bunch of digitla lines, a couple serila links etc
2017-07-04T07:34:49 < upgrdman> ya it seems like 10ch is most i've ever needs for log anal. and most modern stuff is high speed so analog would really be better when eye diagrams fuck you in the ass.
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2017-07-04T07:56:02 < Rajko> anyone know wtf are the axes that madgwick uses ?
2017-07-04T08:00:17 < englishman> can you translate that sentence?
2017-07-04T08:02:43 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/dFfg1kP.gifv
2017-07-04T08:03:13 < upgrdman> Rajko, i just tried the permutations until it worked. i think on my third try it worked.
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2017-07-04T08:19:08 < crt> fuck
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2017-07-04T08:33:36 < ReadError> guize
2017-07-04T08:33:45 < ReadError> have you heard about this amazing new router technology
2017-07-04T08:33:55 < ReadError> BANANA PI RUNNING OPENBSD AND PFSENSE
2017-07-04T08:34:03 < ReadError> WITH A USB2.0 GBIT NIC
2017-07-04T08:34:23 < ReadError> gettin skoolt on the future right now
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2017-07-04T08:41:11 < aandrew> I bet you could throw that in a 3d printed case and make a fortune on kickstarter
2017-07-04T08:41:37 < ReadError> ikr lol
2017-07-04T08:43:37 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/QYcQXaY.gifv
2017-07-04T08:46:10 < ReadError> r u looking for a BASED AS FUCK router??
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2017-07-04T08:54:14 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/West-PLX621110020-Temperature-Controller-Extrusion/dp/B00TT6WC3Y/
2017-07-04T08:54:28 < ReadError> got a pretty sweet DIN PID for cheap but all 3 outputs are relayed
2017-07-04T08:54:45 < ReadError> need to hack on into digital out for SSR boo
2017-07-04T08:54:52 < englishman> $150 watttt
2017-07-04T08:54:52 < ReadError> one*
2017-07-04T08:55:16 < ReadError> paid 30$
2017-07-04T08:55:20 < englishman> i have a couple of these, they are $10-15 with ssr included
2017-07-04T08:55:21 < ReadError> new
2017-07-04T08:55:26 < ReadError> nah this one is like
2017-07-04T08:55:30 < ReadError> super nice
2017-07-04T08:55:41 < ReadError> i have 5 cheaper ones, this manual is
2017-07-04T08:55:43 < ReadError> IN ENGLISH
2017-07-04T08:55:50 < ReadError> thats a feature
2017-07-04T08:56:06 < englishman> well my fish don't know the difference
2017-07-04T08:56:32 < ReadError> ya im using it as just a duty cycle controller lol
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2017-07-04T09:03:45 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4y6INXPI/IMG_0050.JPG
2017-07-04T09:03:58 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2j73fDHz/IMG_0056.JPG
2017-07-04T09:04:13 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XwK1kGwB/IMG_0055.JPG
2017-07-04T09:04:29 < ReadError> atleast its clean inside
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2017-07-04T09:06:44 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kSbBJP9z/IMG_0054.JPG
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2017-07-04T09:25:53 < ReadError> 3oh this is neat, its held together and formed w/ the pcbs and pinhears
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2017-07-04T09:36:51 < ohsix> wut
2017-07-04T09:37:58 < ReadError> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5MfMawg6/1499149598.JPG
2017-07-04T09:39:19 < ohsix> talk to me like i just got here and didn't read anything
2017-07-04T09:43:13 < ohsix> ReadError: it's not fair to make fun of openbsd because of their only value proposition
2017-07-04T09:43:57 < ReadError> heh nah it was someone on efnet
2017-07-04T09:44:01 < ReadError> recommending that shit for a home router
2017-07-04T09:44:23 < ReadError> i told them that is retarded and said show me your home openbsd etup
2017-07-04T09:44:27 < ohsix> speaking of stupid shit cool dudes say
2017-07-04T09:44:30 < ReadError> ofc they didnt have one
2017-07-04T09:44:40 < ohsix> have you listened to the guy that used to host the screen savers lately, leo laport or something
2017-07-04T09:44:49 < ReadError> lol nah i remember him tho
2017-07-04T09:44:52 < ohsix> he's got a radio show and it's the dumbest shit i've ever heard
2017-07-04T09:44:56 < ohsix> radio show or podcast
2017-07-04T09:45:06 < ohsix> didn't ask the guy who was playing it
2017-07-04T09:45:10 < ReadError> these people are huge trump fags too
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2017-07-04T09:45:15 < ReadError> so they constantly say like
2017-07-04T09:45:20 < ReadError> BASED AS FUCK ROUTER
2017-07-04T09:45:22 < ohsix> 'openbsd is good as a firewall' is the kind of shit leo laporte would say
2017-07-04T09:45:43 < ReadError> and try to work trump into their arguments somehow
2017-07-04T09:46:04 < ohsix> ru triggered
2017-07-04T09:46:11 < ReadError> very
2017-07-04T09:46:18 < ohsix> cuck
2017-07-04T09:46:31 < ReadError> im a lil snowflake
2017-07-04T09:46:42 < ReadError> antifa 110%
2017-07-04T09:46:44 < ohsix> bernie broflake
2017-07-04T09:48:07 < englishman> o6 was twin peaks s03e08 your fav ever
2017-07-04T09:48:20 < ohsix> eek i need to watch it
2017-07-04T09:48:31 < ReadError> 12:58:56 AM <toohighto> For the un-initiated
2017-07-04T09:48:31 < ReadError> 12:58:57 AM <toohighto> https://www.lennysh.com/create-a-tor-vlan-using-a-raspberry-pi-and-pfsense/
2017-07-04T09:48:33 < ohsix> this weekend was hell so i just drove away from town and back to burn $hours
2017-07-04T09:48:54 < ReadError> like in a car?
2017-07-04T09:48:58 < ohsix> ya
2017-07-04T09:49:16 < englishman> wtf, pfshit on rapeberripi
2017-07-04T09:49:26 < ReadError> North Korean missile test reaches record height - CNN
2017-07-04T09:49:26 < ReadError> https://apple.news/AJS8EycrUQ_yLybura0JabA
2017-07-04T09:49:47 < ReadError> englishman: ya then they go off and get butthurt when i tell them thats fuckin stupid
2017-07-04T09:50:20 < ohsix> it's not even stupid
2017-07-04T09:50:35 < ohsix> http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong
2017-07-04T09:51:09 < ohsix> i kind of wish i could be a little kid again that doesn't know shit, so i'm just picking openbsd because pf is nice and i don't know how to work iptables
2017-07-04T09:51:10 < Steffanx> Rational in ##stm32 -_-
2017-07-04T09:51:51 < ReadError> heh well anyways after this guy got done talking about this shit
2017-07-04T09:51:57 < ReadError> I said lets see ur home setup with all this
2017-07-04T09:52:00 < dongs> apple.fucking news?
2017-07-04T09:52:08 < dongs> are you some sorta glossy-white-slab-fondling-faggot?
2017-07-04T09:52:10 < ReadError> 'oh its powered off'
2017-07-04T09:52:19 < ReadError> nosir
2017-07-04T09:52:26 < ReadError> thats how my news boops my phone
2017-07-04T09:52:28 < ohsix> getting a rpi and shit in a case and all the accessories ends up being an insane amount of real money
2017-07-04T09:52:52 < ohsix> someone gave me one finally so i got to dick with one, arm-installer is pretty nice
2017-07-04T09:53:11 < ohsix> even if the pi were fast, the sd cards, omg there is no sd card that is good enough
2017-07-04T09:53:53 < dongs>  < ReadError> 12:58:57 AM <toohighto> https://www.lennysh.com/create-a-tor-vlan-using-a-raspberry-pi-and-pfsense/
2017-07-04T09:53:57 < dongs> fucking inbred shiteaters
2017-07-04T09:54:03 < dongs> WHY IS EVERY FUCKING COMMAND PREFIXED WITH SUDO
2017-07-04T09:54:06 < dongs> stupid fucking kikes
2017-07-04T09:54:10 < ReadError> lol i hate that shit too
2017-07-04T09:54:14 < ReadError> fuckin sudo over you pussy
2017-07-04T09:54:54 < ohsix> oh the pi is something i've also got a lot of people to use ssh keys to access
2017-07-04T09:55:13 < ReadError> oh . englishman
2017-07-04T09:55:26 < ohsix> since arm-installer can copy your id_rsa or whatever over to it when you're preparing the install volume
2017-07-04T09:55:32 < ReadError> https://www.runabove.com/index.xml
2017-07-04T09:55:32 < dongs> haha sudo nano, fucking hell page closed im done with that site
2017-07-04T09:55:42 < ReadError> they have FPGA and ARM shit
2017-07-04T09:55:44 < ReadError> @ OVH :)
2017-07-04T09:55:50 < ohsix> i've been setting default passwords for people, then using passwd -d after they ssh-copy-id
2017-07-04T09:56:19 < ohsix> 'just do this ok' is kind of a nice way to get people to do something
2017-07-04T09:56:21 < ReadError> https://www.runabove.com/armcloud.xml
2017-07-04T09:56:26 < ReadError> 1.13$ a month
2017-07-04T09:56:27 < ReadError> heh
2017-07-04T09:56:44 < ohsix> esp. for shit that doesn't really matter
2017-07-04T09:56:47 < ReadError> VPS-ARM1 1 vCore 2,0 GHz 2G vRAM 1 HDD 10 GB
2017-07-04T09:57:20 < ReadError> 1TB vps for 18$
2017-07-04T09:57:42 < dongs> SMDaaS, SUCK MY DICK as a Service
2017-07-04T09:57:51 < ReadError> btw englishman
2017-07-04T09:57:57 < ReadError> results of my provoked ddos test
2017-07-04T09:58:03 < ReadError> 25GBit ingress
2017-07-04T09:58:07 < ReadError> didnt flinch
2017-07-04T09:58:12 < ohsix> haha
2017-07-04T09:58:19 < ohsix> 'my nose barely bled'
2017-07-04T09:58:28 < ReadError> my connection didnt drop
2017-07-04T09:58:43 < ohsix> now you can talk shit to a real bunch of cool dudes
2017-07-04T09:59:38 < dongs> https://www.humblebundle.com/g/mrpresident time for you to pay , readstoner
2017-07-04T10:01:48 < ReadError> lol
2017-07-04T10:01:56 < ReadError> ohsix: well its a 3.49$ VPS
2017-07-04T10:02:04 < ReadError> so pretty impressive imo
2017-07-04T10:02:29 < ohsix> only because you didn't show up on their radar yet
2017-07-04T10:02:53 < ReadError> its OVH, they build their network to handle this
2017-07-04T10:03:02 < ohsix> it still costs them money
2017-07-04T10:03:31 < ReadError> well initially sure
2017-07-04T10:03:39 < ReadError> and a tiny bit during the attack
2017-07-04T10:03:59 < ReadError> if you get down to $$ for transfer
2017-07-04T10:04:21 < ReadError> but nothing really substantial
2017-07-04T10:04:40 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/QVL7kbj.png
2017-07-04T10:05:27 < dongs> ReadError: do you know o6 can't afford $1.31/month VPS anyway
2017-07-04T10:05:38 < dongs> (why is this discussion still happening)
2017-07-04T10:06:09 < ohsix> had to be a fucking hero in another channel
2017-07-04T10:06:16 < ohsix> sry
2017-07-04T10:06:26 < ReadError> lol dive on a grenade ?
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2017-07-04T10:30:57 < ohsix> lol
2017-07-04T10:31:04 < ohsix> in the best sense of lol
2017-07-04T10:31:22 < ohsix> i got an aliexpress tens machine
2017-07-04T10:31:35 < ohsix> just for novelty it is amazing
2017-07-04T10:33:50 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Relaxing-Electronic-Body-Slimming-Massager-Pulse-Therapy-Pain-Relief-Muscle-Stimulator/32815456677.html an absolute steal
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2017-07-04T10:41:53 < ohsix> it needs a button you can hold to turn it on with the current settings tho, there's no mode for it
2017-07-04T10:42:21 < jadew> ohsix, is it still relaxing if you put the electrodes on your head?
2017-07-04T10:42:39 < ohsix> probably not
2017-07-04T10:42:45 < ohsix> it's definitely not relaxing
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2017-07-04T10:42:55 < jadew> let's see if someone has done it
2017-07-04T10:43:13 < ohsix> there's probably a subreddit of people that have done their own tens electroshock
2017-07-04T10:43:23 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPUUyiaXWAA
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2017-07-04T10:44:10 < jadew> https://youtu.be/bPUUyiaXWAA?t=50
2017-07-04T10:44:15 < ohsix> the best way i can concisely describe it, is that the feeling makes me very nervous, at least at the lowest setting
2017-07-04T10:44:36 < crt> what a cunt of a day
2017-07-04T10:44:55 < ohsix> ikr
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2017-07-04T10:46:03 < ohsix> you found the perfect video
2017-07-04T10:46:06 < crt> CRT i see its 5pm and you've been up since 7am, here have another 9 repairs
2017-07-04T10:46:12 < ohsix> how many did you look at before you found one with a sword in frame
2017-07-04T10:46:42 < jadew> ohsix, first one
2017-07-04T10:46:45 < ohsix> anyways, <3$ usd, high novelty value
2017-07-04T10:46:55 < jadew> yeah
2017-07-04T10:47:07 < ohsix> i already have someone in mind to give it to when i'm bored with it haha
2017-07-04T10:47:18 < jadew> maybe you can make it into a prank ring, for handshaking people with cardiac problems
2017-07-04T10:48:19 < ohsix> it obv makes a circuit through the trunk but you only feel it in your fingers, at least at low powers
2017-07-04T10:48:39 < phr3ak> is the pins used for external memory configurable at fsmc or fixed?
2017-07-04T10:48:43 < crt> hungry kacks for dinner again yay
2017-07-04T10:49:19 < ohsix> phr3ak: configurable how, i don't remember it being very flexible, but also not enough to directly answer question :p
2017-07-04T10:49:26 < jadew> phr3ak, I think that on the 407 you only have one choice for the pin config
2017-07-04T10:49:36 < jadew> maybe one of two or them have two options
2017-07-04T10:49:40 < ReadError> tens machine?
2017-07-04T10:49:43 < ReadError> the mulscle thing?
2017-07-04T10:49:50 < ohsix> transcutaneous boner shocking machine
2017-07-04T10:49:53 < ohsix> yea
2017-07-04T10:50:13 < ohsix> ReadError: i bought one of those optical smoke detectors we were laughing at like 2 years ago too
2017-07-04T10:50:26 < ohsix> for the optical sensor, a project came up
2017-07-04T10:50:46 < ReadError> like a mouse sensor thing or PIR
2017-07-04T10:50:57 < jadew> ohsix, the PM2.5?
2017-07-04T10:51:03 < jadew> the sharp one?
2017-07-04T10:51:14 < ohsix> it's not rated, but that's one of the things it'd be compared to ya
2017-07-04T10:52:00 < ohsix> i didn't want to spend any real money just to fuck around with some particle sources and stuff
2017-07-04T10:52:08 < crt> oh a customer cancelled an order on a laser replacement for a unit with $100 market value
2017-07-04T10:52:30 < crt> i have this little system called 'you have to be kidding, i'll hold off the order for a day just incase they come to their senses'
2017-07-04T10:52:33 < ohsix> i've got a maxim 3010x thing that can do the same kind of pulsed particle detection, and i've been meaning to look at it from that angle
2017-07-04T10:53:05 < ohsix> crt: how much is laser replacement?
2017-07-04T10:53:18 < crt> $130 for part
2017-07-04T10:53:40 < ohsix> you have a distributor network or wut
2017-07-04T10:53:45 < phr3ak> thanks. I have a device with an ilitek lcd and I would like to figure out why the register accessible at 0x60000000 and the data at 0x60040000
2017-07-04T10:54:16 < phr3ak> jadew: it's an stm32f405
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2017-07-04T10:55:08 < crt> something like that o6
2017-07-04T10:55:27 < ohsix> werd
2017-07-04T10:55:49 < ohsix> you're just the first person i've been able to ask, electronics repair doesn't exactly happen much nearby anymore
2017-07-04T10:56:09 < ohsix> is there anything like mitchell on demand & the labor estimators in the auto industry?
2017-07-04T10:56:10 < phr3ak> the bigger problem is I cannot read anything from the lcd. write is ok. for example I would like to read the manufacturer id. and I'm not sure about the address for reading. maybe that is on different address. or something is configured wrong in fsmc
2017-07-04T10:56:21 < crt> yes o6 thats me
2017-07-04T10:56:33 < crt> i'll drive the fucking van down and solder on some new tactile switches
2017-07-04T10:56:36 < crt> not even kidding
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2017-07-04T11:01:27 < jadew> ohsix, I got this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-GP2Y1014AU0F-PM2-5-Dust-Smoke-Particle-Sensor-Module-replace-GP2Y1010AU0F-/292002380909
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2017-07-04T11:04:52 < jadew> it needs a lot fo dust in order to detect anything
2017-07-04T11:05:14 < jadew> in fact, the particle size doesn't even matter, you just need a lot of it
2017-07-04T11:05:27 < ohsix> yuh
2017-07-04T11:05:40 < ohsix> huh this thing is kind of pleasant on the calves
2017-07-04T11:05:50 < ohsix> less zap and more muscle move
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2017-07-04T11:07:14 < ohsix> lol
2017-07-04T11:07:32 < ohsix> right on the ass, a+ full power
2017-07-04T11:08:11 < ohsix> jadew: the particle size stuff is inferred on all / most of those things anyways
2017-07-04T11:08:38 < ohsix> you have a known air charge, from a fan or a hot resistor or something, and you flash the light source really intensely and see how it changes over time
2017-07-04T11:09:06 < ohsix> or a laser
2017-07-04T11:11:15 < ohsix> thing a bout the smoke detector tho https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Sensitivity-Fire-Smoke-Alarm-Sensor-Standalone-Photoelectric-Smoke-Detector-Home-Security-System-For-Home-9V/32804735223.html
2017-07-04T11:11:20 < ohsix> it's a hosuing and beeper and everything
2017-07-04T11:11:40 < ohsix> if i were to make an internet of shit type device, i can refit them and stick them places
2017-07-04T11:11:51 < jadew> well, those optical dust detectors are not meant for smoke detection
2017-07-04T11:12:02 < ohsix> they're marginal for it
2017-07-04T11:12:17 < ohsix> smoke works insofar as that there is no speckle/glare when there's no smoke
2017-07-04T11:12:42 < ohsix> dunno when i'll get to it, but i'm sure i'll say how shit it is ;]
2017-07-04T11:12:54 < ohsix> it's here just in time for the 4th of july and holding it over burning things
2017-07-04T11:12:58 < jadew> well, I tried mine and it's shit
2017-07-04T11:13:17 < ohsix> had similar smoke detector, or the gp2y?
2017-07-04T11:13:47 < ohsix> some more context, best effort would be ok in this case, and the alternative sensor is 200$+ per unit
2017-07-04T11:13:59 < jadew> the gp2y
2017-07-04T11:14:04 < ohsix> ah
2017-07-04T11:14:19 < ohsix> did you add something to move air through the sensor?
2017-07-04T11:14:28 < ohsix> can't remember if there's a heater resistor in that one
2017-07-04T11:14:28 < jadew> I blew on it
2017-07-04T11:14:33 < jadew> there isn't
2017-07-04T11:14:38 < ohsix> word
2017-07-04T11:14:50 < ohsix> k i'm gonna go play with this stupid thing some more and hit the hay
2017-07-04T11:14:59 < ohsix> putting it on my head is inevitble
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2017-07-04T11:32:11 < ReadError>  scrotal_bonus do NOT let that crazy fuck know even remotely where you live
2017-07-04T11:40:16 < crt> u wot mate
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2017-07-04T11:43:05 < ReadError> saving his life
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2017-07-04T11:44:04 < crt> frm wot
2017-07-04T11:44:46 < ReadError> an efnet chatter
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2017-07-04T11:50:55 < crt> true pumper?
2017-07-04T11:51:31 < ReadError> well not someone you want in your house
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2017-07-04T11:53:31 < crt> is he equipped?
2017-07-04T11:53:35 < crt> ar15? wnd?
2017-07-04T11:57:18 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/47uO7Ao.jpg whoaaa
2017-07-04T12:01:43 < crt> wtf
2017-07-04T12:03:38 < upgrdman> ir prox sensor?\
2017-07-04T12:03:50 < ReadError> man imgur has been loading like SHIT for me today
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2017-07-04T12:11:23 < crt> the whole rig is fucked
2017-07-04T12:11:38 < crt> i can barely login to senpai to purchase PIECES
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2017-07-04T12:28:06 < ReadError> burn it down and start over
2017-07-04T12:32:37 < crt> first time for some bad goys
2017-07-04T12:34:33 < crt> cuckin for the muslims as they're dickin' down ya sister
2017-07-04T12:46:14 < ReadError> https://slickdeals.net/f/10310132-windscribe-vpn-free-60gb-per-month-new-or-existing-accounts
2017-07-04T12:46:31 < ReadError> its free if u need a prostitute vpn
2017-07-04T12:46:46 < ReadError> openvpn so dont need SW either
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2017-07-04T13:09:02 < crt> ok
2017-07-04T13:09:09 < crt> too expense.
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2017-07-04T13:24:32 < dongs> even o6 can afford
2017-07-04T13:24:39 < crt> fuck!
2017-07-04T13:31:11 < crt> Time has come to shut down the rig for today
2017-07-04T13:36:01 < invzim> zyp: ordered from element14/farnell?
2017-07-04T13:36:10 < dongs> im sureh e has
2017-07-04T13:45:59 < invzim> placed an order last night, they charged me norwegian VAT - if carrier fees come on top I'll be pissed..
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2017-07-04T13:57:18 < crt> Better piss
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2017-07-04T14:31:03 < mitrax> dongs: did you get those dual stacked DB-9 samples already? i was looking for some NORCOMP part and zhong pointed me to those clones you ordered which seem to match what i'm after, i'd just like to know what you think of the quality
2017-07-04T14:31:40 < dongs> long time ago yes
2017-07-04T14:31:46 < dongs> they're awesome
2017-07-04T14:32:06 < dongs> considering norSCUM wanted like $10/ea
2017-07-04T14:32:09 < dongs> they're great
2017-07-04T14:33:06 < mitrax> nice, what kind of plating is it?
2017-07-04T14:33:18 < dongs> zinc iirc, didnt look gold
2017-07-04T14:33:25 < dongs> or whatever, silvery shit
2017-07-04T14:37:01 < mitrax> ok thanks, do you happen to know the manufacturer name/brand if there's one?
2017-07-04T14:37:06 < dongs> heh nope
2017-07-04T14:37:13 < dongs> i got a china datasheet tho
2017-07-04T14:37:20 < dongs> which amtched to norcomp and i already fabbed boards with it
2017-07-04T14:37:24 < dongs> footprint was based on norcomp ds
2017-07-04T14:37:27 < dongs> and everything fit perfectly
2017-07-04T14:37:27 < mitrax> yeah i have the drawings
2017-07-04T14:37:30 < dongs> righg
2017-07-04T14:40:07 < mitrax> i'm just concerned about the plating since the thing will be in harsh condition with large temp variation and shit...  would be safer to go gold, but there's no way i'll find it at that price :)
2017-07-04T14:42:55 < dongs> it'll live
2017-07-04T15:15:22 < crt> mitrax
2017-07-04T15:15:29 < crt> i like that shed
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2017-07-04T15:38:30 < mitrax> crt: that's my shed
2017-07-04T15:38:45 < crt> I KNOW ITS YOUR FUCKING SHED
2017-07-04T15:38:57 < crt> seriously fuck today man
2017-07-04T15:39:05 < mitrax> what's wrong?
2017-07-04T15:39:08 < crt> going to smash down a few cold beers then call it a night
2017-07-04T15:39:15 < crt> been doing repairs for 11 hours today
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2017-07-04T15:39:54 < crt> i got a good one for ya
2017-07-04T15:40:01 < mitrax> yeah?
2017-07-04T15:41:07 < crt> plenty
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2017-07-04T15:46:18 < crt> how are the mitrax
2017-07-04T15:46:26 < mitrax> i have a false arm
2017-07-04T15:46:31 < dongs> url to shed
2017-07-04T15:46:51 < crt> i heard you like to fuck ducks.
2017-07-04T15:49:20 < mitrax> dongs: the url to video where its from you mean?
2017-07-04T15:49:26 < dongs> no idea
2017-07-04T15:49:31 < dongs> what shed is the pumper talkin about
2017-07-04T15:49:51 < mitrax> dongs: you don't wanna know
2017-07-04T15:49:54 < dongs> o k
2017-07-04T15:49:59 < mitrax> dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzjypqRseic
2017-07-04T15:50:22 < crt> he wont approve of that
2017-07-04T15:50:26 < mitrax> i know
2017-07-04T15:50:35 < crt> he'll prolly say its pumping shit
2017-07-04T15:50:46 < dongs> closed
2017-07-04T15:50:47 < dongs> fuck you
2017-07-04T15:51:00 < crt> hey, at least you might see a shed
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2017-07-04T15:51:56 < crt> idk why this is so funny to me 2017-07-03T08:17:26 < dongs> crt, you're on a pumping spree again
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2017-07-04T16:04:37 < Steffanx> Why is thr funny?
2017-07-04T16:04:41 < Steffanx> That
2017-07-04T16:04:56 < crt> i think because its just random as fuck
2017-07-04T16:05:00 < Steffanx> Take a waffle
2017-07-04T16:05:05 < crt> got plenty still
2017-07-04T16:05:09 < crt> thanks for stffn
2017-07-04T16:05:39 < crt> i'm still thinking of a return package
2017-07-04T16:05:57 < crt> in strayacunt we don't have any decent food which is local
2017-07-04T16:08:08 < dongs> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/altium/'nested'-rooms-in-pcb/
2017-07-04T16:08:10 < dongs> well thats a bummer
2017-07-04T16:08:58 < crt> wtf dongs.
2017-07-04T16:09:28 < crt> you're eevblogging now? has my pumping sent you insane?!
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2017-07-04T16:30:47 < Rob235> woot, half the parts ordered for my two arm drawbot
2017-07-04T16:41:16 < mitrax> drawbot? i liked the wankbot idea :(
2017-07-04T16:43:19 < crt> k
2017-07-04T16:45:08 < Rob235> heh
2017-07-04T16:45:22 < Rob235> these are pretty: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UnMAAMXQUmFSm-o3/s-l1600.jpg
2017-07-04T16:46:32 < englishman> how do i upload a .hex to stm32 in lunix via st-link
2017-07-04T16:47:04 < Rob235> are there anything like this with one end threaded? https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/21ztLmojDrL.jpg
2017-07-04T16:48:47 < fest> englishman: st-flash --format ihex write filename.hex
2017-07-04T16:49:13 < englishman> this is the tool? https://github.com/texane/stlink
2017-07-04T16:49:31 < fest> yes
2017-07-04T16:49:45 < englishman> gr8 m8 thx
2017-07-04T16:50:08 < crt> linux what
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2017-07-04T17:07:32 < Laurenceb_> http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/611992/Scientists-experiment-magnets-immigrants-God-magnetic-waves
2017-07-04T17:07:39 < Laurenceb_> mysides.jpg
2017-07-04T17:15:45 < englishman> my arrow order placed yesterday does not appear anywhere in their system
2017-07-04T17:15:56 < englishman> fucking
2017-07-04T17:15:58 < englishman> ARROW
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2017-07-04T17:38:45 < Steffanx> Pebkac
2017-07-04T17:41:23 < Steffanx> Can it stop your crap posting too Laurenceb_ ?
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2017-07-04T19:03:35 < scrotal_bonus> hi
2017-07-04T19:03:37 < scrotal_bonus> ReadError: lol
2017-07-04T19:03:43 < scrotal_bonus> dongs: how r u
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2017-07-04T19:25:16 < englishman> man what is going on with this F042 DMA
2017-07-04T19:25:23 < englishman> there is no errata for dma or timers on F042
2017-07-04T19:25:35 < englishman> i just want some ws2812b action, copypasted some code from F3
2017-07-04T19:25:44 < englishman> first LED in the string works fine
2017-07-04T19:26:03 < englishman> but most worrying, the array getting DMA'd into the timer is fine, but the timer is outputting strange values
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2017-07-04T19:40:14 < englishman> for some reason there's always a big delay between transfers, even though i'm not using HAL...
2017-07-04T19:40:19 < englishman> like 20+us
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2017-07-04T20:13:15 < branjb> http://imgur.com/a/3UTEa
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2017-07-04T20:21:24 < Steffanx> Better click uninstall branjb
2017-07-04T20:21:48 < aandrew> branjb: been a while since I had ot screw with psoc
2017-07-04T20:21:51 < aandrew> it's still shit?
2017-07-04T20:22:18 < branjb> that's what i'm greeted with every morning
2017-07-04T20:22:26 < aandrew> I feel for you
2017-07-04T20:22:42 < aandrew> not only are you running windows but you're dealing with Cypress shit
2017-07-04T20:23:59 < vampi-the-frog> can anyone hint to me what I'm doing wrong with this timer + dma setup? http://ix.io/yha
2017-07-04T20:24:47 < vampi-the-frog> I want the DMA to read GPIOB every timer tick, and call the ISR every time the buffer is filled
2017-07-04T20:25:28 < vampi-the-frog> but neither of those seems to be done, because if I tie PB0 to high, I still see only zeroes in dmabuf
2017-07-04T20:26:35 < englishman> i've been autisming on this DMA issue for so long, my coffee got cold
2017-07-04T20:26:49 < englishman> seriously why does it take 20us to jump to dma TC interrupt
2017-07-04T20:29:46 < vampi-the-frog> here are my registers as well http://ix.io/yhb
2017-07-04T20:29:58 < vampi-the-frog> and I need to mention that the timer IRQ is called, the DMA one is not
2017-07-04T20:31:33 < branjb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6QtigLJD_4
2017-07-04T20:36:21 < tpw_rules> are you actually running at like 32khz
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2017-07-04T20:41:29 < englishman> does the TC interrupt get called after every transaction in circular mode? or never?
2017-07-04T20:44:10 < marttyn> Hi guys, just hopping in, should I go bare C or RTOS? And if RTOS, which one do you prefer?
2017-07-04T20:44:28 < marttyn> I'm focusing on learning the F4
2017-07-04T20:44:52 < Steffanx> learning? Bare C.
2017-07-04T20:45:00 < englishman> if you are just getting started, forget rtos
2017-07-04T20:45:27 < Steffanx> afaik it should give you TC and the Half transfer too. mr englishman
2017-07-04T20:45:46 < Steffanx> (when enabled)
2017-07-04T20:45:51 < englishman> after every transaction though? or only once it's hit buffer length
2017-07-04T20:45:54 < marttyn> Bare C? Alright. And which HALs / libraries / IDEs do you guys use and recommend?
2017-07-04T20:46:02 < englishman> because i was having some funky issues here on f0 when trying circular mode
2017-07-04T20:46:30 < Steffanx> oh buffer length, otherwise half would make no sense.
2017-07-04T20:46:40 < englishman> right
2017-07-04T20:46:49 < englishman> it appeared to trigger after every transaction, for me
2017-07-04T20:47:10 < Steffanx> length of 1? :P
2017-07-04T20:47:17 < englishman> 24... ws2812b
2017-07-04T20:48:40 < englishman> marttyn stm32cubemx + its new LL library makes setup pretty easy. it's the closest to old stdperiphlib
2017-07-04T20:49:11 < marttyn> Thank you :) and what IDE do you use?
2017-07-04T20:49:50 < englishman> keil
2017-07-04T20:50:26 < marttyn> Is it the one with 32kb limit?
2017-07-04T20:50:47 < englishman> on f4 yes
2017-07-04T20:51:10 < tpw_rules> LL doesn't seem to be on L0. or i'm doing something wrong
2017-07-04T20:51:23 < englishman> update your cube? :)
2017-07-04T20:51:27 < marttyn> Is it enough? Will it limit me as a beginner?
2017-07-04T20:51:28 < englishman> oh L0
2017-07-04T20:51:29 < englishman> dono
2017-07-04T20:52:03 < englishman> i had usb + hid + a bunch of other stuff in ugly bloated HAL and it was 14k
2017-07-04T20:52:05 < englishman> for reference
2017-07-04T20:52:16 < tpw_rules> i use systemworkbench and it's okay
2017-07-04T20:53:24 < marttyn> Oh, alright then, I'll try keil with cubemx and ll libraries then
2017-07-04T20:53:48 < marttyn> Do you have any tutorials that you know are up to date and helpful?
2017-07-04T20:58:03 < Steffanx> keil -_-
2017-07-04T21:00:07 < englishman> ?
2017-07-04T21:02:02 < Steffanx> no need to say more :P
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2017-07-04T21:16:00 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgjar.co/jar/wuYf_bBP7EiBAcYZEQ5mlw.jpg
2017-07-04T21:19:06 < sync> old
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2017-07-04T22:06:03 < ohsix> englishman: had a dream abotu don s. davis character in twin peaks, if you take the term 'fire walk' literally, a lot of things click into place, the worst being how obvious 'got a light?' is, but the rest, bowie's fbi guy travelling/missing, the time distortion, events being in a different order; they're being literal about another plane of reality in the new series
2017-07-04T22:06:36 < Steffanx> ^ one of those things i never wanted to know.
2017-07-04T22:08:02 < ohsix> shruggin
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2017-07-04T22:08:12 < ohsix> it was unusual
2017-07-04T22:08:53 < ohsix> kind of hoping it isn't true cuz it takes a lot of mystery out of everything
2017-07-04T22:09:12 < ohsix> the dream was don s. davis' character saying something that i don't think he ever said in the series, to coop
2017-07-04T22:09:15 < ohsix> bbl
2017-07-04T22:11:05 < englishman> http://www.emojicode.org/
2017-07-04T22:11:57 < mitrax> ohsix: you seriously like the new twin peaks?
2017-07-04T22:13:27 < Steffanx> Drama,
2017-07-04T22:13:29 < Steffanx> ^
2017-07-04T22:16:54 < mitrax> hrm right, for the channel's sake and my own, i shouldn't step into that territory
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2017-07-04T22:18:00 < englishman> why not, nobody got any stm32 questions answered today
2017-07-04T22:19:14 < Steffanx> lies.
2017-07-04T22:19:28 < mitrax> englishman: well for some reason i foresee a 3 hours rant about why season 3 is fabulous, that's it's just me that "doesn't get it" and so on
2017-07-04T22:19:56 < Steffanx> i dont even have a clue what the series is about
2017-07-04T22:20:02 < englishman> oh, no worries, nobody gets it
2017-07-04T22:20:15 < Steffanx> never heard of it ;)
2017-07-04T22:20:58 < englishman> [FAILED] Failed to start Load Kernel Modules.
2017-07-04T22:20:58 < englishman> See 'systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service' for details.
2017-07-04T22:21:06 < englishman> i'm not a lunix pro but that sounds important
2017-07-04T22:21:15 < Steffanx> I watched taboo, i liked it. except that half-dead GoT actors showed up in it. [spoiler alert]
2017-07-04T22:21:53 < englishman> that was alright
2017-07-04T22:22:13 < englishman> hardy sure knows how to stomp around menacingly
2017-07-04T22:22:37 < Steffanx> Yeah, except that Bane appeared once in a while.
2017-07-04T22:23:09 < mitrax> Stefanx: the original series from 1990 is great (well season 1 is, season 2 not so much), the movie prequel too (assuming you watched the series). But the new season is just abstract bullshit with no storyline and horrible acting
2017-07-04T22:23:20 < Steffanx> * Steffanx :P
2017-07-04T22:23:28 < mitrax> err StefFanx sorry
2017-07-04T22:23:41 < Steffanx> Solved your timing issue yet mr englishman?
2017-07-04T22:23:53 < englishman> no, and have no idea whats up
2017-07-04T22:24:13 < englishman> i'm pretty sure that >20us delay is causing 2812b to reset (even though it's supposed to be >50us)
2017-07-04T22:24:28 < englishman> when i use circular dma to clock out the array, it works fine
2017-07-04T22:24:31 < englishman> (with no gap)
2017-07-04T22:25:05 < englishman> moved on for the moment from failing at stm32 to failing at lunix
2017-07-04T22:25:30 < mitrax> besides Arrow / Avnet / TME / RS / Digikey / Mouser any other (large) online store comes to mind?
2017-07-04T22:25:36 < Steffanx> Eat a waffle.
2017-07-04T22:25:48 < englishman> aliexpress
2017-07-04T22:26:10 < Steffanx> future electronics. maybe
2017-07-04T22:26:17 < mitrax> yeah i forgot Future in that last
2017-07-04T22:26:29 < Steffanx> farnell? or is that part of something you already mentioned
2017-07-04T22:26:50 < mitrax> i forgot it too... but yeah i know about it already
2017-07-04T22:27:04 < mitrax> i heard about TME only a few month ago
2017-07-04T22:27:08 < mitrax> they have damn good prices
2017-07-04T22:27:26 < Steffanx> there is this german one i dont remember the name of, ( and not conrad, because conrad )
2017-07-04T22:27:30 < englishman> verical
2017-07-04T22:27:38 < Steffanx> And rutroniks maybe.
2017-07-04T22:27:39 < englishman> tme is great
2017-07-04T22:27:42 < Steffanx> -s
2017-07-04T22:27:42 < englishman> they have thermaldonics too
2017-07-04T22:27:54 < Laurenceb_> embedded lunix?
2017-07-04T22:28:14 < Steffanx> Define embedded lunix.
2017-07-04T22:28:22 < Steffanx> When does linux gets embedded
2017-07-04T22:29:05 < BrainDamage> when you have a fixed interface that doesn't allow you to access the os
2017-07-04T22:29:10 < Laurenceb_> when someone is insane
2017-07-04T22:29:28 < BrainDamage> which happens often eg in point of sale terminals, public transportation screens, etc
2017-07-04T22:30:02 < englishman> injectable lunix
2017-07-04T22:30:34 < BrainDamage> tell your kids about the dangers of lunix before it's too late
2017-07-04T22:30:46 < englishman> what is nmtui
2017-07-04T22:30:50 < Steffanx> kids? I dont do those.
2017-07-04T22:30:53 < englishman> does lunix actually have a wifi setup program now?
2017-07-04T22:31:09 < Steffanx> Welcome in 2017.
2017-07-04T22:31:12 < BrainDamage> nmtui is a terminal "gui" for networkmanager
2017-07-04T22:31:12 < invzim> network manager?
2017-07-04T22:31:15 < sync> yes, ed
2017-07-04T22:32:01 < invzim> got some flux off ali today, and it's surprisingly good
2017-07-04T22:32:14 < invzim> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2pcs-lot-Made-in-USA-10cc-AMTECH-NC-559-ASM-Flux-paste-lead-free-solder-paste/32331668231.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.tfrQ8v
2017-07-04T22:32:23 < Steffanx> That's one of those things i wont buy on aliexpress
2017-07-04T22:32:32 < invzim> copy off the stuff louis rossman uses
2017-07-04T22:33:03 < invzim> I've had a chemworks fluxpen for ages that's starting to go empty, so figured I try something new
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2017-07-04T22:33:35 < Steffanx> but i dont like to use crap from less trustworthy source.
2017-07-04T22:33:52 < Steffanx> Especially when it tends to get airborn when heated.
2017-07-04T22:33:53 < BrainDamage> i've used once chinese solder, never again
2017-07-04T22:34:11 < invzim> for solder I use kester
2017-07-04T22:34:23 < mitrax> BrainDamage: hence your nickname? :)
2017-07-04T22:34:25 < invzim> (not from ali :))
2017-07-04T22:34:38 < BrainDamage> that shit melted into clumps despite being an eutectic 73/37 with rosin core
2017-07-04T22:34:46 < Steffanx> His nick has nothing to do with Brain Damage, mitrax
2017-07-04T22:34:53 < Steffanx> ^ standard BrainDamage answer
2017-07-04T22:35:11 < Steffanx> You dont want to know how often i asked that same thing.
2017-07-04T22:35:19 < mitrax> ahaha
2017-07-04T22:35:41 < englishman> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/6DWHSknS/
2017-07-04T22:35:43 < englishman> Steffanx:
2017-07-04T22:35:52 < englishman> when i run it like this, there is huge delay between dma transfers
2017-07-04T22:36:17 < englishman> on F3 it was working fine, delay between transfer is less than 1 pulse
2017-07-04T22:38:35 < invzim> what is it with IC makers that gives them the urge to put TWO dots on their package
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2017-07-04T22:38:59 < englishman> hehe
2017-07-04T22:39:03 < Steffanx> to make you place it wrong.
2017-07-04T22:39:06 < invzim> is it a logical reasoning behind, or is it just to confuse and piss off people
2017-07-04T22:39:07 < Steffanx> sell more chips
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2017-07-04T22:40:39 < upgrdman> invzim, molding artifact
2017-07-04T22:40:52 < upgrdman> iirc theyre called "risers"
2017-07-04T22:41:07 < upgrdman> they help the epoxy flow when casting
2017-07-04T22:41:42 < rajkosto> help madgwick pls
2017-07-04T22:41:50 < upgrdman> with stm, the more 3d dot is the pin1 marker, and the flatter ones are molding artifacts
2017-07-04T22:41:52 < Steffanx> but cant they do a signle one.. or place it somewhere else. So it doesnt make you place the part wrong.
2017-07-04T22:42:59 < upgrdman> rajkosto, this is my madgwick stuff: https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot_Firmware/blob/master/main.c?ts=4
2017-07-04T22:43:12 < rajkosto> if i give it 0,0,0
2017-07-04T22:43:13 < rajkosto> as acc
2017-07-04T22:43:24 < rajkosto> then it behaves properly, aka, i get the same stuff as if i just integrated pitch, yaw, roll myself
2017-07-04T22:43:33 < rajkosto> my (pitch,yaw,roll is gx,gy,gz)
2017-07-04T22:43:54 < rajkosto> but if i add accelerometer values, or use only accelerometer values, it thinks that roll is yaw !
2017-07-04T22:43:59 < rajkosto> no matter how i permute them
2017-07-04T22:44:00 < upgrdman> rajkosto, end result is: https://youtu.be/-bQdrvSLqpg?t=19
2017-07-04T22:45:12 < rajkosto> yes thats great, but can you tell me wtf your z,y,x are
2017-07-04T22:45:31 < rajkosto> nobody defines these
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2017-07-04T22:47:24 < upgrdman> rajkosto, i just randomly tried various permutations
2017-07-04T22:47:38 < rajkosto> did you have a 3d preview during the entire process ?
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2017-07-04T22:48:07 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-07-04_21-04-55.gif this is using gyro only, so i know the quaternion is generated properly
2017-07-04T22:48:18 < upgrdman> rajkosto, ya: https://youtu.be/r693Xb9t4dI?t=358
2017-07-04T22:50:26 < rajkosto> did you test that all 6 dof were correct
2017-07-04T22:50:29 < rajkosto> you just wobbling the pitch here
2017-07-04T22:52:02 < branjb> opinions on pcbway?
2017-07-04T22:53:39 < invzim> branjb: for proto?
2017-07-04T22:53:51 < branjb> yeah
2017-07-04T22:53:56 < invzim> pretty good
2017-07-04T22:54:01 < invzim> never done >4layer
2017-07-04T22:54:07 < branjb> 4 layer good?
2017-07-04T22:54:08 < invzim> solder mask is a bit off
2017-07-04T22:54:16 < branjb> my solder masks are usually super shitty anyway
2017-07-04T22:54:18 < invzim> silk screen is not fantastic
2017-07-04T22:54:20 < englishman> pcbway is cool but allpcb is where its at
2017-07-04T22:54:31 < branjb> and my silk screens have bare min info
2017-07-04T22:54:41 < branjb> is allpcb cheaper for < 5 boards?
2017-07-04T22:55:01 < englishman> i dono do you want me to enter your board details into the helpful tool for you and press enter?
2017-07-04T22:55:06 < branjb> ya
2017-07-04T22:55:21 < englishman> il be nice then and only bill a 1/2 hour
2017-07-04T22:55:25 < branjb> wow, it is cheaper
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2017-07-04T22:56:59 < invzim> wish 'they' would bring min drill size down to hobby levels
2017-07-04T22:57:52 < mitrax> upgrdman: nice job!
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2017-07-04T23:04:55 < kuldeep> Hello, im using STM32 DAC
2017-07-04T23:04:58 < kuldeep> "Update rate" = "Max frequency for a correct DAC_OUT change when small variation in the input code (from code i to i+1LSB)"   = 1MSPS
2017-07-04T23:06:12 < kuldeep> "t SETTLING" = "Settling time (full scale: for a 10-bit input code transition between the lowest and the highest input codes when DAC_OUT reaches final value ±1LSB" = Max 4μs  (Typical 3μs)
2017-07-04T23:06:43 < kuldeep> comment: C_LOAD = 50pF, R_LOAD = 5k
2017-07-04T23:07:58 < kuldeep> im trying to understand that these values apply a single dac channel OR both.  (ie DAC_OUT1 + DAC_OUT2 = 1MSPS   or   DAC_OUT1 = 1MSPS, DAC_OUT2 = 1MSPS)?
2017-07-04T23:12:15 < kuldeep> http://www.k-space.org/Class_Info/STM32_Lec6.pdf "In dual DAC channel mode, conversions could be done independently or simultaneously when both channels are grouped together for synchronous update operations"  still curious from where the person got the information...
2017-07-04T23:13:18 < upgrdman> mitrax, thanks
2017-07-04T23:13:48 < upgrdman> rajkosto, yes all 6dof are correct. see the second video. im moving the robot all around and the quat is spot on
2017-07-04T23:13:49 < kuldeep> next page says "Two DAC converters: one output channel each"
2017-07-04T23:14:08 < rajkosto> can you somehow convert quat to matrix... wrong ?
2017-07-04T23:14:42 < upgrdman> rajkosto, ya. my opengl lib can convert between quat and 4x4 matrix
2017-07-04T23:14:50 < rajkosto> yes but can you do it wrong ?
2017-07-04T23:14:59 < upgrdman> you can do anything wrong
2017-07-04T23:16:28 < rajkosto> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb205358(v=vs.85).aspx
2017-07-04T23:16:30 < rajkosto> i use that
2017-07-04T23:16:41 < rajkosto> and i can fenagle the madgwick gyro values to give me a correct rotating one
2017-07-04T23:17:04 < rajkosto> but then adding accelerometer values messes up the correction
2017-07-04T23:17:28 < rajkosto> at least tell me this, is gravity always supposed to be +1g on Z in madgwick ?
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2017-07-04T23:20:17 < upgrdman> depends on how the sensor is mounted
2017-07-04T23:20:27 < rajkosto> does madgwick EXPECT any convention ?
2017-07-04T23:20:33 < upgrdman> prolly
2017-07-04T23:20:45 < upgrdman> but like i said, i tried a few permutations and found trhe one that worked
2017-07-04T23:21:01 < rajkosto> what do you use to convert quaternion to rotation matrix
2017-07-04T23:21:03 < upgrdman> i didnt do some proper engineering study
2017-07-04T23:22:29 < upgrdman> rajkosto, https://github.com/farrellf/TelemetryViewer/blob/master/Telemetry%20Viewer/src/OpenGLQuaternionChart.java#L171
2017-07-04T23:22:47 < upgrdman> rajkosto, https://jogamp.org/deployment/v2.1.0/javadoc/jogl/javadoc/com/jogamp/opengl/math/Quaternion.html
2017-07-04T23:22:55 < rajkosto> yes i remembered to put xyz first instead of last like madgwick does
2017-07-04T23:23:18 < rajkosto> 		gl.glRotatef(180, 1, 0, 0); // invert direction of x-axis
2017-07-04T23:23:18 < rajkosto>  gl.glRotatef(90, 0, 0, 1); // swap x and z axes
2017-07-04T23:23:22 < rajkosto> you had to do something
2017-07-04T23:23:41 < kuldeep> same comment in ST note:
2017-07-04T23:23:44 < kuldeep> "This feature is supported only for products that embed at least two DACs."
2017-07-04T23:24:02 < upgrdman> rajkosto, indeed
2017-07-04T23:24:16 < upgrdman> but that was because of opengl
2017-07-04T23:24:18 < kuldeep> so, i guess. since i have a single DAC only, that is DAC_OUT1 + DAC_OUT2 = 1MSPS
2017-07-04T23:24:32 < upgrdman> and how the money 3d mesh was exported
2017-07-04T23:24:51 < upgrdman> quat stills works without that, but the monkey is aimed the wrong way
2017-07-04T23:25:02 < rajkosto> yes
2017-07-04T23:25:16 < rajkosto> but if you fenagled the madgwick inputs until you got a quat that does that without the glrotates
2017-07-04T23:25:32 < upgrdman> i could but i got it working and stopped :)
2017-07-04T23:25:38 < rajkosto> then it might have ended up wrong like mine
2017-07-04T23:26:02 < upgrdman> step 1: make it work     step 2: move on to something else
2017-07-04T23:26:48 < upgrdman> if you want to properly engineer some shit, read the madgwick thesis paper
2017-07-04T23:26:58 < upgrdman> it jizzes math all over your face
2017-07-04T23:27:04 < upgrdman> you'll love it
2017-07-04T23:27:08 < rajkosto> it DOES NOT DEFINE what X,Y,Z are !
2017-07-04T23:27:10 < rajkosto> at ALL
2017-07-04T23:27:15 < upgrdman> lol
2017-07-04T23:27:21 < upgrdman> ok
2017-07-04T23:27:38 < rajkosto> if it had a drawing like this https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-07-04_22-27-36.png
2017-07-04T23:27:48 < rajkosto> i would just flip and swap mine until they matched
2017-07-04T23:28:09 < upgrdman> ya that'd make it easy
2017-07-04T23:28:33 < rajkosto> you'd figure, if it doesnt treat any axis as special
2017-07-04T23:28:37 < rajkosto> if you just align your gyro with your accel axes
2017-07-04T23:28:47 < rajkosto> (do the same swapping and flipping on both)
2017-07-04T23:28:48 < rajkosto> it should work
2017-07-04T23:28:50 < upgrdman> you must be new to software :)
2017-07-04T23:29:04 < upgrdman> i wish life was that easy
2017-07-04T23:29:11 < rajkosto> well
2017-07-04T23:29:12 < rajkosto> yours was
2017-07-04T23:29:14 < upgrdman> but ya, i fell your pain
2017-07-04T23:29:17 < rajkosto> MadgwickAHRSupdateIMU(gyro_z, gyro_y, -gyro_x, accel_z, accel_y, -accel_x);
2017-07-04T23:29:18 < upgrdman> im not making fun of you
2017-07-04T23:29:24 < rajkosto> you just did the same thing for gyro and accel
2017-07-04T23:29:28 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-04T23:29:30 < rajkosto> zyx and negate x
2017-07-04T23:29:45 < rajkosto> but im doing that and its making accell-only roll into yaw rotation (which isnt possible with accelerometer)
2017-07-04T23:30:04 < rajkosto> gyro-only is fine because all its doing is integration
2017-07-04T23:30:29 < upgrdman> its not meant to be accel-only, so its prolly freaking the fuck out
2017-07-04T23:30:34 < rajkosto> doesnt matter
2017-07-04T23:30:41 < rajkosto> if i re-add the gyro stuff it still tries to correct it wrong
2017-07-04T23:31:09 < rajkosto> even tho the gyro stuff was ok on its own (just drifts)
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2017-07-04T23:37:28 < englishman> fest: does this tool support st-link 2.1?
2017-07-04T23:37:42 < englishman> hmm seems to
2017-07-04T23:37:58 < englishman> user@orangepizero:~$ st-flash --format ihex read filename.hex 0x08000000 4096
2017-07-04T23:37:58 < englishman> st-flash 1.4.0-1-g5e740a8
2017-07-04T23:37:58 < englishman> 2017-07-04T20:37:09 WARN src/usb.c: Couldn't find any ST-Link/V2 devices
2017-07-04T23:38:04 < englishman> lsusb:
2017-07-04T23:38:04 < englishman> Bus 006 Device 002: ID 0483:374b STMicroelectronics ST-LINK/V2.1 (Nucleo-F103RB)
2017-07-04T23:38:13 < englishman> OH
2017-07-04T23:38:17 < englishman> probably that udev shit
2017-07-04T23:41:35 < englishman> indeed it was
2017-07-04T23:41:36 < englishman> \0/
2017-07-04T23:41:41 < englishman> ls
2017-07-04T23:41:44 < rajkosto> upgrdman, what is your "at rest" quaternion ?
2017-07-04T23:41:51 < rajkosto> you'd think it'd be xyz = 0, w = 1
2017-07-04T23:45:10 < upgrdman> dont remember
2017-07-04T23:45:19 < rajkosto> i think ive set it up the only way it can be setup
2017-07-04T23:45:36 < rajkosto> but it goes to rest at 0.707, 0, 0, 0.707
2017-07-04T23:46:02 < rajkosto> and considering the initial quaternion is not that, madgwick takes a while to adjust it
2017-07-04T23:46:17 < rajkosto> and now i have to unrotate by that every time
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2017-07-04T23:48:43 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2017-07-04_22-48-21.png top: 0,0,0,1 idle bottom: 0.707, 0, 0, 0.707 idle
2017-07-04T23:48:59 < rajkosto> i mean its technically correct i guess ? it is laying on the desk like that
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2017-07-04T23:58:02 < rajkosto> should beta be scaled according to update rate ?
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2017-07-05T00:16:28 < kakimir> hello pump
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2017-07-05T00:17:49 < Rob235> order 2 of 3 for robot parts placed
2017-07-05T00:17:59 < Rob235> just need to order the steppers and servos
2017-07-05T00:18:23 < kakimir> where is papa steffan?
2017-07-05T00:19:06 < kakimir> englishman: what did you order from varusteleka?
2017-07-05T00:19:23 < kakimir> did you know it means "supplies hammer" in english?
2017-07-05T00:20:21 < kakimir> *sledgehammer
2017-07-05T00:20:27 < englishman> did not know
2017-07-05T00:20:34 < englishman> i thought it was something about penis-hammer
2017-07-05T00:21:04 < kakimir> hah
2017-07-05T00:21:08 < englishman> i got some scho-ka-kola and a little finnish flah
2017-07-05T00:21:12 < englishman> flag
2017-07-05T00:21:17 < kakimir> true fan
2017-07-05T00:21:26 < kakimir> even I don't have a flag
2017-07-05T00:21:34 < kakimir> should though :|
2017-07-05T00:22:03 < kakimir> like amergiancgs
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2017-07-05T00:22:13 < kakimir> so much flags
2017-07-05T00:23:12 < kakimir> a penis can be refferred as "leka" is it's bulky enought
2017-07-05T00:23:32 < kakimir> there are many names in english too
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2017-07-05T00:24:15 < englishman> bulky enough, lol
2017-07-05T00:25:52 < kakimir> how is works englishman ?
2017-07-05T00:26:01 < englishman> is ok
2017-07-05T00:26:53 < kakimir> tell me about is
2017-07-05T00:26:55 < kakimir> it
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2017-07-05T00:27:34 < englishman> did some dicknplacing in the morning and a little research for one company
2017-07-05T00:27:42 < englishman> then dicked around wasting time on lunix
2017-07-05T00:28:07 < kakimir> lunix - timetrap
2017-07-05T00:28:18 < englishman> for real
2017-07-05T00:28:42 < kakimir> you count in days and weeks that stuff
2017-07-05T00:28:47 < kakimir> not in hours
2017-07-05T00:29:18 < englishman> just wasting time now before a meeting, then i can go home and play with kitties and work out
2017-07-05T00:29:28 < kakimir> oh
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2017-07-05T00:32:48 < englishman> how is flying
2017-07-05T00:33:02 < kakimir> I fly with tractor atm
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2017-07-05T00:33:19 < kakimir> wrc on back roads is intense
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2017-07-05T00:33:42 < kakimir> should bypass limiter
2017-07-05T00:33:59 < englishman> my favourite wrc
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2017-07-05T00:35:32 < kakimir> there is tracks in gravel in corners literally
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2017-07-05T00:36:30 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elggk2SmieU encore
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2017-07-05T00:39:34 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRWp6aXVkZWhqYlk/view?usp=sharing if I had any hobby time I should continue this
2017-07-05T00:40:02 < kakimir> building gadgets
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2017-07-05T00:42:05 < kakimir> then building some ethernet networks in buildings and wifi links
2017-07-05T00:43:13 < Steffanx> Hi kakimir. Come to daddy.
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2017-07-05T00:44:49 < kakimir> dadda
2017-07-05T00:46:59 < kakimir> I think I start collecting stuff for you gift goods parcel
2017-07-05T00:48:26 < kakimir> Steffanx identifies as daddy. now we know
2017-07-05T00:48:46 < kakimir> he wasn't uncle after all
2017-07-05T00:49:30 < Steffanx> Uh? Do i really want to know whats being collected?
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2017-07-05T00:50:41 < kakimir> if you have any ideas
2017-07-05T00:50:58 < kakimir> something you missed or something you miss from your visit
2017-07-05T00:51:49 < Steffanx> The yellow bread that tasted awfully?
2017-07-05T00:52:09 < Steffanx> I dont miss that. Dont want to eat that again. Not ever
2017-07-05T00:52:14 < kakimir> carrot bread?
2017-07-05T00:52:26 < kakimir> hmm
2017-07-05T00:52:34 < kakimir> only yellow bread I know
2017-07-05T00:53:00 < Steffanx> No clue what it was. It looked like a normal bread, pre-sliced,
2017-07-05T00:53:43 < kakimir> wait.. rieska?
2017-07-05T00:54:07 < kakimir> https://syntisenhyvaa.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/rieska-014.jpg
2017-07-05T00:54:17 < Steffanx> No
2017-07-05T00:54:20 < kakimir> potato in it
2017-07-05T00:55:07 < kakimir> https://www.kotikokki.net/media/cache/large/recipeimage/large/52d6de74d074a9ec0e095292/original.jpg?1297654040
2017-07-05T00:55:12 < kakimir> carrot?
2017-07-05T00:55:48 < kakimir> hmm.. sour milk bread.. what is that
2017-07-05T00:56:19 < kakimir> https://anna.fi/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/images/ruokafi/blogit/mukana-maku/piimaleipa.jpg
2017-07-05T00:56:57 < kakimir> never had one
2017-07-05T00:58:51 < Steffanx> Or maybe just some corn/maize bread with some weird additions like paprika
2017-07-05T00:59:15 < Steffanx> Or that what you posted
2017-07-05T00:59:33 < kakimir> you have been dreaming.. we don't do such thing
2017-07-05T00:59:43 < Steffanx> Was in some local store in the good old lappeenranta
2017-07-05T01:00:04 < kakimir> okay
2017-07-05T01:01:45 < Steffanx> I still dont know what finnish girls look like. You hardly saw any finnish youth there.
2017-07-05T01:03:06 < kakimir> I don't know any better
2017-07-05T01:03:30 < Steffanx> You can laso
2017-07-05T01:03:36 < kakimir> you were in uni and didn't see girls?
2017-07-05T01:03:37 < Steffanx> Also
2017-07-05T01:04:06 < Steffanx> They were all russian and other non-finnishers
2017-07-05T01:04:37 < kakimir> yes.. lappeenranta is russian city in finland
2017-07-05T01:04:42 < Steffanx> You can also confirm finnish youth doesnt go outside? Thats what you guys are known for
2017-07-05T01:05:03 < kakimir> when we go we are very drunk
2017-07-05T01:05:46 < Steffanx> And tend to drown
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2017-07-05T01:10:00 < kakimir> so I should send you a finnish girl as a sample?
2017-07-05T01:10:40 < Steffanx> Sample. Lol :P
2017-07-05T01:10:50 < Steffanx> Nah sleep tight mr kakimir
2017-07-05T01:11:09 < kakimir> not yet
2017-07-05T01:17:31 < englishman> hmm went back to f3
2017-07-05T01:17:38 < englishman> dma has about 2us delay
2017-07-05T01:17:41 < englishman> 1/10th of f0
2017-07-05T01:17:41 < englishman> wtf
2017-07-05T01:17:44 < englishman> copypasted code
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2017-07-05T01:28:31 < englishman> works perfectly
2017-07-05T01:28:32 < englishman> sigh
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2017-07-05T01:43:22 < kakimir> what a dissapointment
2017-07-05T01:43:27 < kakimir> code works
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2017-07-05T02:27:06 < crt> hi stfnx
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2017-07-05T02:38:24 < crt> this man is onto something https://youtu.be/O_rwtgyuRRk?t=3m2s
2017-07-05T02:39:43 < kakimir> what is this shit
2017-07-05T02:40:05 < kakimir> this is not #straya
2017-07-05T02:40:14 < crt> how bout this
2017-07-05T02:40:14 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKLX_gBJpUQ
2017-07-05T02:41:47 < crt> where are my fucken right angle IEC dogs
2017-07-05T02:50:38 < kakimir> if you are into mayday stuff.. deadliest european modern time maritime accident radiocomms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68iWvOn8LBY
2017-07-05T02:50:59 < crt> got any good pumping tunes?
2017-07-05T02:51:52 < kakimir> sunk in 1hour
2017-07-05T02:52:09 < crt> wot
2017-07-05T02:53:06 < kakimir> there is conspiracy theories about it. soviet military tech was shipped in it and there is a hole in hull
2017-07-05T02:53:39 < crt> kakimir: music pls
2017-07-05T02:53:53 < kakimir> finally someone asks
2017-07-05T02:55:09 < crt> more shit to unfuck this morning
2017-07-05T02:55:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elggk2SmieU encore
2017-07-05T02:55:25 < ReadError> i c u dongs ;)
2017-07-05T02:55:29 < ReadError> we outchair
2017-07-05T02:56:02 < crt> >
2017-07-05T02:59:23 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40428976
2017-07-05T02:59:25 < Laurenceb_> W E W
2017-07-05T02:59:31 < Laurenceb_> what a time to be alive
2017-07-05T03:01:17 < kakimir> hmm
2017-07-05T03:02:26 < kakimir> now you need to import it illegally Laurenceb_
2017-07-05T03:02:56 < Laurenceb_> sexy doll smuggling mafia tiem
2017-07-05T03:03:22 < kakimir> lot of sick people when you need to make a law about child sex dolls
2017-07-05T03:03:25 < kakimir> *robots
2017-07-05T03:03:51 < kakimir> so that it is priority to have such law
2017-07-05T03:05:01 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/d1yCz2JB/IMG_0404.JPG
2017-07-05T03:05:04 < crt> yeah sweet
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2017-07-05T03:26:28 < Rob235> hmm whats these time of flight sensors, are they precise?
2017-07-05T03:28:01 < dongs> Rob235:  < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/47uO7Ao.jpg whoaaa
2017-07-05T03:28:05 < dongs> ive got one on a board now!
2017-07-05T03:28:28 < Rob235> how is it?
2017-07-05T03:28:35 < Rob235> yea its cool that cameras can see the laser
2017-07-05T03:28:54 < Rob235> 2m is a pretty nice distance
2017-07-05T03:29:00 < Rob235> for something that small
2017-07-05T03:36:14 < Rob235> dude, my gf is watching this documentary called earthlings, its horrific
2017-07-05T03:44:07 < sync> "documentary"
2017-07-05T03:44:13 < sync> more like vegan propaganda
2017-07-05T03:44:24 < sync> nice dongs
2017-07-05T03:45:13 < upgrdman> crt, any idea why your vias are tented with that weird blue jizz?
2017-07-05T03:46:49 < Laurenceb_> dong wtf am I looking at
2017-07-05T03:46:58 < Laurenceb_> oh laser+ lens interference?
2017-07-05T03:47:03 < dongs> no lens
2017-07-05T03:47:12 < Laurenceb_> I mean on the camera
2017-07-05T03:47:20 < Laurenceb_> the weird banding
2017-07-05T03:47:30 < dongs> i think thats just the laser being modulated
2017-07-05T03:47:42 < Laurenceb_> that doesnt make sense
2017-07-05T03:47:51 < Laurenceb_> camera sees speed of light
2017-07-05T03:47:52 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2017-07-05T03:47:55 < dongs> yaman
2017-07-05T03:48:13 < Laurenceb_> I've got a few of those on breakouts
2017-07-05T03:48:23 < Laurenceb_> seems to be a bit temperature unstable
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2017-07-05T03:48:40 < Laurenceb_> I need to couple one to fibres, that would be fun
2017-07-05T03:50:47 < sync> did you try just shining one into an end?
2017-07-05T03:51:17 < Laurenceb_> yes it works
2017-07-05T03:51:42 < Laurenceb_> but I need a accurately milled bit of alu that clips onto the top of the IC
2017-07-05T03:51:49 < Laurenceb_> never got round to it
2017-07-05T03:52:42 < Laurenceb_> sell it in an enclosure with connectors and usb for megabux
2017-07-05T03:53:29 < sync> what for?
2017-07-05T03:53:48 < Laurenceb_> maybe brain imaging
2017-07-05T03:53:57 < Laurenceb_> its prob not good enough tho
2017-07-05T03:55:56 < Laurenceb_> someone offered me a job building almost identical kit for brain scanning
2017-07-05T03:56:47 < Laurenceb_> but office in central london, no thanks
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2017-07-05T04:00:27 < Laurenceb_> similar to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24880351
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2017-07-05T04:31:08 < ohsix> mitrax: it's been a treat
2017-07-05T04:32:03 < ohsix> i'm glad they're taking fire walk with me seriously, lots of people hated it
2017-07-05T04:36:12 < ohsix> i wouldn't die for lynch but he does interesting things, something like eraserhead is so abstract that i couldn't even force a 3 page argument about why someone migh tnot have gotten it, that sort of fits twin peaks too
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2017-07-05T04:38:29 < ohsix> i'm kind of bummed at the literal 'fire walk' thesis, esp. since s3e7, would take out a lot of the wonder
2017-07-05T04:41:26 < ohsix> there is stuff not to like :]
2017-07-05T04:49:21 < ohsix> is there a 3d printing channel?
2017-07-05T04:52:13 < ohsix> Kliment: beep, need some domain software halp; is there anything open source that can generate support geometry like preform/meshmixer?
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2017-07-05T05:03:38 < upgrdman> binge watching old episode of computer chronicles. people talking about how apple is dieing and has no hope to recover. lol.
2017-07-05T05:04:13 < upgrdman> also talking about os2 warp like its a real challenge to win95
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2017-07-05T05:09:56 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul
2017-07-05T05:10:06 < ohsix> upgrdman: ya! was this from like 91?
2017-07-05T05:10:16 < upgrdman> the apple episode ya
2017-07-05T05:10:22 < upgrdman> the os2 was from 94 or 95
2017-07-05T05:10:36 < ohsix> i got some pc magazine's from 90/91/93
2017-07-05T05:10:39 < ohsix> reading them was a trip
2017-07-05T05:11:11 < ohsix> one of the ATI ads had the picture upside down and other stuff too
2017-07-05T05:11:25 < ohsix> pc magazine is the worst of the credulous shit tho, so it's like hyper
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2017-07-05T05:41:40 < dongs> apple IS technically dead anyway
2017-07-05T05:41:49 < dongs> they havent innovated anything since '95
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2017-07-05T05:42:04 < dongs> they just have a bullshit following of young, homosexual males
2017-07-05T05:42:12 < dongs> who keep giving them money
2017-07-05T05:42:25 < dongs> remove that last source of income and apple is gone
2017-07-05T05:42:29 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-07-05T05:46:26 < dongs> twitch paypal ad for japan is hilarious
2017-07-05T05:48:25 < dongs> hilariously bad that is
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2017-07-05T05:48:42 < dongs> so looks like altidumb doesnt support nested hierarchical sheets rooms
2017-07-05T05:48:44 < dongs> wht a fucking bummer
2017-07-05T05:48:48 < dongs> paging R2COM
2017-07-05T05:49:37 < dongs> i have overview -> blockA/blockB -> SubBlock1,2,3,4, each subblock consisting of 3 sheet entries tied together
2017-07-05T05:49:46 < dongs> i wanted to make a room out of subblock, but it doesnt work
2017-07-05T05:50:05 < dongs> those 3 sheets are related but not related enough to bunch into a single page
2017-07-05T05:50:10 < dongs> why the fuck wouldnt this work
2017-07-05T06:06:34 < englishman> upgrdman: apple WAS dying
2017-07-05T06:06:47 < englishman> they had to beg Steve jobs and buy his company to get him back
2017-07-05T06:07:10 < englishman> they lost a billion dollars the year before his return
2017-07-05T06:08:51 < upgrdman> i know
2017-07-05T06:08:58 < upgrdman> its just funny seeing how much things have changed
2017-07-05T06:09:37 < dongs> did they?
2017-07-05T06:29:57 < englishman> you're right, apple hasn't innovated since 1995, and Q4 2016 was their most profitable quarter in history
2017-07-05T06:30:02 < englishman> so they are doing just fine
2017-07-05T06:30:13 < englishman> and their dividends nearly pay my rent
2017-07-05T06:32:27 < upgrdman> englishman, a  1.75% dividend nearly pays your rent? lol
2017-07-05T06:33:18 < englishman> that year apple lost a billion dollars was also the year I bought apple shares
2017-07-05T06:33:43 < upgrdman> stock price != dividends
2017-07-05T06:34:00 < englishman> ...
2017-07-05T06:34:17 < englishman> who are you trying to school here
2017-07-05T06:34:32 < upgrdman> im not trying to school you
2017-07-05T06:35:01 < upgrdman> did you buy a million share of appl? or htf is 1.75% nearly paying your rent
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2017-07-05T06:36:22 < englishman> since I bought it apple stock has split 28:1
2017-07-05T06:36:49 < upgrdman> oh ya splits
2017-07-05T06:36:50 < upgrdman> ok nm
2017-07-05T06:36:55 < upgrdman> good job :)
2017-07-05T06:37:13 < englishman> ya well I also bought broderbund
2017-07-05T06:37:18 < upgrdman> lol
2017-07-05T06:37:24 < upgrdman> mavis beacon teach typing
2017-07-05T06:43:24 < crt> upgrdman: it's the gooks son
2017-07-05T06:43:33 < upgrdman> ?
2017-07-05T06:43:55 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/l0ctzKPl/IMG_0407.JPG
2017-07-05T06:44:02 < crt> Australian broadband
2017-07-05T06:45:43 < englishman> how many creatures are in there waiting to kill/poison you
2017-07-05T06:54:40 < upgrdman> crt, that photo reminds me of chinese squat toilets
2017-07-05T06:55:01 < upgrdman> total wtf the first time i saw a squat toilet.
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2017-07-05T08:02:47 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/Dw4Tf
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2017-07-05T08:20:57 < crt> I can fucken smell it on ya
2017-07-05T08:21:12 < crt> The dirty 3v3 bus tantalum cap
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2017-07-05T08:22:47 < crt> This is almost too easy
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2017-07-05T08:31:31 < dongs> R2COM: altium sucks so bad
2017-07-05T08:34:16 < dongs> i tried to make a board with nested hierarchical sheets and it fucking failed
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2017-07-05T08:41:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/QGAqe5v.png
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2017-07-05T08:42:23 < dongs> i dont play gerbil space program
2017-07-05T08:42:26 < dongs> just lol'in at the swastika
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2017-07-05T08:42:38 < dongs> i m suer you do
2017-07-05T08:44:08 < dongs> ocrad doesnt have sheets?
2017-07-05T08:44:11 < dongs> of coruse it fucking does
2017-07-05T08:44:16 < dongs> each scheamtic page in cuckcad = sheet
2017-07-05T08:44:17 < dongs> in altium
2017-07-05T08:44:22 < dongs> the problem isnt with that
2017-07-05T08:44:44 < dongs> i made a hierarchical schematic, main -> block1 -> repeatblock ( sheet 1, 2, 3 )
2017-07-05T08:44:51 < dongs> i wanted to make a layout room from repeat block
2017-07-05T08:44:56 < dongs> which is 3 separate sub-blocks together
2017-07-05T08:45:02 < dongs> because I need to copypaste it 4 times into same board
2017-07-05T08:45:12 < dongs> if I put everything in repeatblock on same sheet then i can make a room
2017-07-05T08:45:15 < dongs> but that is gay + dumb
2017-07-05T08:45:27 < dongs> ? what layout sheets
2017-07-05T08:45:37 < dongs> you mean rooms?
2017-07-05T08:45:57 < dongs> if youre doing a flat design just turn those fuckign thigns off
2017-07-05T08:45:59 < dongs> you dont need to use them
2017-07-05T08:46:04 < dongs> but they're handy as fuck in multichannel shit
2017-07-05T08:46:45 < dongs> yes
2017-07-05T08:47:34 < dongs> yes..
2017-07-05T08:47:35 < dongs> thats what rooms do
2017-07-05T08:47:39 < dongs> in altiudmb
2017-07-05T08:47:45 < dongs> but only if you're 1 level deep into hierarchy
2017-07-05T08:47:51 < dongs> you can't room a sheet that has subsheets
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2017-07-05T08:47:57 < dongs> your tool is gay
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2017-07-05T08:48:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/mMdJdaU.png i have this thing, i've done layout for 1st block, normally i'd haev that red room marking around it and just copypaste to others
2017-07-05T08:48:44 < dongs> but beacuse each of the routed things is made up of 3 seaparate blocks , i cant
2017-07-05T08:49:03 < dongs> how does that fucking work without talking with schematic
2017-07-05T08:49:09 < dongs> how would it know the parts are from same class
2017-07-05T08:49:46 < dongs> i understand the process
2017-07-05T08:50:01 < dongs> that doesnt help me cuz orcad sucks :)
2017-07-05T08:50:57 < dongs> 2) select all, save as "blockA"
2017-07-05T08:51:00 < dongs> yeah i can do that
2017-07-05T08:51:05 < dongs> but there's no relation to shcmatic then
2017-07-05T08:51:10 < dongs> youre copying blocks of layout
2017-07-05T08:51:20 < dongs> how the fuck would it know how to number rall the other parts etc
2017-07-05T08:55:30 < dongs> This site can’t be reached
2017-07-05T08:55:30 < dongs> www.youtube.com’s server DNS address could not be found.
2017-07-05T08:55:31 < dongs> Try:
2017-07-05T08:55:32 < dongs> lol waut
2017-07-05T08:56:30 < dongs> i got fucking hacked
2017-07-05T08:56:48 < crt> Sensei saw me
2017-07-05T09:00:08 < dongs> watching
2017-07-05T09:00:12 < dongs> why their video sooooooooooooooo slow
2017-07-05T09:00:16 < dongs> orcad screen refreshes at liek 15fps
2017-07-05T09:00:18 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-07-05T09:00:19 < dongs> shit soft
2017-07-05T09:04:13 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/video-how-employ-snippets-design-reuse
2017-07-05T09:04:15 < crt> Fuckin no innernet
2017-07-05T09:04:17 < dongs> god damn awful fucking shit
2017-07-05T09:04:35 < dongs> snippets is the dumbest fucking shit i ever seen in altium
2017-07-05T09:04:37 < dongs> absolutely useless
2017-07-05T09:04:44 < crt> Things FUCKED
2017-07-05T09:04:49 < dongs> R2COM: youer not wrong
2017-07-05T09:05:35 < dongs> ikr??
2017-07-05T09:05:42 < dongs> like, this feature existrs but i have no idea what the fuck its for
2017-07-05T09:06:45 < dongs> yeah uh,, they want you to save snippets into high designators just so it can be mapped
2017-07-05T09:06:49 < dongs> absolute fucking aids
2017-07-05T09:07:01 < dongs> video closed
2017-07-05T09:07:31 < dongs> gonan drive to office and rage for a bit
2017-07-05T09:07:31 < dongs> bbl
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2017-07-05T10:43:35 < crt> THE LINE IS FIXED
2017-07-05T10:43:40 < crt> THE PUMPING CAN RESUME
2017-07-05T10:43:42 < crt> oh hi
2017-07-05T10:46:32 < crt> dunno what kind of urban terrorism my business partner is running but getting a line fixed that quick is unheard of imo
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2017-07-05T10:49:40 < Steffanx> Context is key
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2017-07-05T11:00:54 < ohsix> beepo
2017-07-05T11:01:34 < ohsix> an intern brought a bunch of 20 somethings to the party and made me feel old
2017-07-05T11:05:06 < ohsix> i brought out all the chairs tho, ran that shit,
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2017-07-05T11:23:08 < dongs> http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/04/north-korea-claims-to-have-test-launched-its-first-icbm.html?   <--- " The ballistic missile flew longer than any North Korean missile test conducted by the rogue regime to date, U.S. Pacific
2017-07-05T11:23:12 < dongs>            Command said -- meaning Kim Jong Un's dictatorship may now possess the ability to strike Alaska."
2017-07-05T11:32:03 < Steffanx> Longer than ever is 2 seconds instead of instant boom?
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2017-07-05T11:39:35 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/69ZtllMk/IMG_0408.JPG
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2017-07-05T11:41:27 < crt> better jack that off crt
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2017-07-05T11:56:38 < dongs> is this your personal signature
2017-07-05T11:56:44 < dongs> for when you finish repairing a dj deck
2017-07-05T11:56:51 < crt> yeah
2017-07-05T11:56:54 < crt> i have several
2017-07-05T11:59:18 < crt> replaced his input jack clusters for free, so figured i'd sign off on it at least
2017-07-05T12:00:39 < crt> beats chasing my tail trying to figure out other faults
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2017-07-05T13:24:35 < dongs> fucking garbage code fuck
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2017-07-05T15:00:35 < crt> Ok
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2017-07-05T15:21:35 < Steffanx> Hi Curt. Mate. Teapot.
2017-07-05T15:21:56 < Steffanx> Aka crt, stvn, stvvn
2017-07-05T15:22:09 < dongs> aka pot, kettle, and black
2017-07-05T15:27:22 < crt> Hi
2017-07-05T15:27:36 < crt> stfn
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2017-07-05T15:43:30 < Laurenceb_> Us Trump supporters have to rally round our fellow based centipedes, faggot. Otherwise Kekistan will remain just a dream.
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2017-07-05T15:51:28 < Laurenceb_> The time has come,it's time to stand up for ourselves and our way of life, that's right, the meme war is upon us
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2017-07-05T15:52:33 < BrainDamage>  _   _       _      __                           _                                          ______ | \ | |     | |    / _|                         | |                                         | ___ \|  \| | ___ | |_  | |_ _   _ _ __  _ __  _   _  | |     __ _ _   _ _ __ ___ _ __   ___ ___  | |_/ /| . ` |/ _ \| __| |  _| | | | '_ \| '_ \| | | | | |    / _` | | | | '__/ _ \ '_ \ / __/ _ \ | ___ \| |\  | (_) | |_  | | | |_| | | | | | | | |_|
2017-07-05T15:52:33 < BrainDamage>  | |
2017-07-05T15:52:33 < BrainDamage> ___| (_| | |_| | | |  __/ | | | (_|  __/ | |_/ /\_| \_/\___/ \__| |_|  \__,_|_| |_|_| |_|\__, | \_____/\__,_|\__,_|_|  \___|_| |_|\___\___| \____/                                           __/ |                                                                                             |___/
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2017-07-05T15:52:57 < BrainDamage> aw, fuck
2017-07-05T15:54:22 < karlp> couldn't make my screen wide enough man, that all fucked up
2017-07-05T15:54:40 < BrainDamage> yeah, i fucked up
2017-07-05T15:54:56 < BrainDamage> i only realized after i pasted it
2017-07-05T15:55:07 < karlp> try it again!
2017-07-05T15:55:17 < BrainDamage> let's go with a compact version
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2017-07-05T15:55:56 < BrainDamage> +---------------------+
2017-07-05T15:55:56 < BrainDamage> | Not funny LaurenceB |
2017-07-05T15:55:56 < BrainDamage> +---------------------+
2017-07-05T15:57:46  * karlp laughs
2017-07-05T15:58:28 < Laurenceb_> anti-chav is anti-british tbh
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2017-07-05T16:00:45 < Steffanx> Lol dongs.
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2017-07-05T17:36:26 < mitrax> dongs: how comfortable would you feel reflowing parts with old date codes e.g 08+? LQFP48 / SOIC16 (assuming they've been stored properly with dry packs and shit), have you had problems with that?
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2017-07-05T17:51:00 < karlp> when in doubt, bake first?
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2017-07-05T17:59:22 < Thorn> what does the datasheet say about MSL
2017-07-05T18:04:07 < karlp> heh, atollic 8 for linux, "only supports 64bit systems"  (required that libc 32bit is installed though!)
2017-07-05T18:05:22 < karlp> geh, uses libusb 0.1 as well.
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2017-07-05T18:16:32  * karlp comments out installing the license manager
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2017-07-05T18:45:58 < englishman> turdstudio
2017-07-05T18:46:23 < karlp> yeah, closed it again. too much eclipse and too many "try!" "evaluate!" "buy!" buttons all over it
2017-07-05T18:59:26 < englishman> kakimir: http://i.imgur.com/mpFlzWx.jpg
2017-07-05T19:01:36 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTYjOplHzpw
2017-07-05T19:07:12 < aandrew> lol
2017-07-05T19:07:17 < aandrew> just use makefiles like a sane person
2017-07-05T19:10:18 < karlp> yeah, I do, and then have netbeans on top, jsutthoughtI'd have a quick look at it.
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2017-07-05T19:20:00 < Laurenceb_> eclipse
2017-07-05T19:20:04 < Laurenceb_> not even once
2017-07-05T19:20:09 < Laurenceb_> gedit for me
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2017-07-05T20:14:44 < kakimir> englishman: I have both too
2017-07-05T20:15:35 < kakimir> I actually have such shoulder flag
2017-07-05T20:15:38 < englishman> :3
2017-07-05T20:15:47 < kakimir> from army
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2017-07-05T20:26:48 < Steffanx> Werent you the netbeans guy karlp ?
2017-07-05T20:26:56 < karlp> yeah, still using it,
2017-07-05T20:26:59 < karlp> just thoght I'd have a quick look
2017-07-05T20:27:19 < karlp> oracle doesn't exactly care much about netbeans
2017-07-05T20:35:26 < englishman> hmm how to update board drawings in draftsman
2017-07-05T20:35:39 < englishman> tools->update board crunches for a few minutes but then does nothing
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2017-07-05T20:52:39 < englishman> fixed, but there is a clear bug there
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2017-07-05T20:56:35 < Thorn> Intelsat 35e Launch Webcast #3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIHVPCj25Z0
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2017-07-05T22:13:03 < upgrdman> just found this, might be a nice resource if you're doing low-res lcd fonts. http://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/
2017-07-05T22:17:13 < jpa-> hmph, mac os x autoconfigs ipv6 address in proper network for my connection, but then it claims it has "No route to host" even though it is within the same prefix
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2017-07-05T22:25:15 < vampi-the-frog> dat dog no good
2017-07-05T22:25:37 < Rob235> I found dongs https://imgur.com/a/ciPUH
2017-07-05T22:29:17 < Rob235> https://i.imgur.com/UZvN0g0.jpg
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2017-07-05T23:09:24 < aandrew> can confirm: that is dongs
2017-07-05T23:09:47 < aandrew> took me a minute because the seat is usually pointing completely up when he rides
2017-07-05T23:11:02 < Fleck> ;p
2017-07-05T23:11:50 < kakimir> night of pump
2017-07-05T23:12:53 < upgrdman> better traction with a verticle seat, huh
2017-07-05T23:13:12 < kakimir> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p_MaIVSU_Jc/Tb1pOTO3KpI/AAAAAAABhtQ/TCgHPR-RNPU/s1600/1934PackardMyth_02.jpg car times
2017-07-05T23:14:14 < Steffanx> ugly.
2017-07-05T23:15:03 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/GVhw6op.jpg
2017-07-05T23:15:09 < kakimir> show me stef papa
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2017-07-05T23:17:22 < kakimir> your car taste
2017-07-05T23:17:53 < kakimir> not necessary what you are driving or what sensible sedan you want next
2017-07-05T23:21:18 < kakimir> I'm asking because I don't have one
2017-07-05T23:21:24 < kakimir> - taste
2017-07-05T23:21:40 < Steffanx> I dont have taste either. I drive something italian. Punto from 2012.
2017-07-05T23:22:25 < Steffanx> Fiat that is.
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2017-07-05T23:24:10 < englishman> drove my little jap 70s moto to work today
2017-07-05T23:24:19 < englishman> always gets looks because i'm not a fat man on a gigantic harley
2017-07-05T23:24:44 < englishman> a non-threatening motorcycle
2017-07-05T23:24:52 < Steffanx> No long hear? No skull tattoo?
2017-07-05T23:25:10 < englishman> no tassles or led zepplin playing through a speaker system, no
2017-07-05T23:25:24 < Steffanx> Golden chain?
2017-07-05T23:25:39 < Steffanx> neckless thing chain that is
2017-07-05T23:25:45 < Steffanx> ear ring.
2017-07-05T23:26:05 < Steffanx> You are part of a gang though.
2017-07-05T23:26:08 < Steffanx> The ##stm32 gang
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2017-07-05T23:26:15 < englishman> represent
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2017-07-05T23:32:47 < Steffanx> Damn, this Alien: covenant is fucking AWFUL/TERRIBLE
2017-07-05T23:33:36 < kakimir> it was borderline not worth of my time and money
2017-07-05T23:33:56 < kakimir> at least it was better than prometheus
2017-07-05T23:34:07 < Steffanx> better? Im not so sure, yet.
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2017-07-05T23:35:15 < kakimir> there was at least one really good role in covenant that kept it somewhat watchable
2017-07-05T23:35:27 < Steffanx> The android? :)
2017-07-05T23:36:01 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-05T23:38:18 < kakimir> everything else was just cheap fill
2017-07-05T23:38:47 < kakimir> in prometheus david was not dope at all
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2017-07-05T23:50:37 < kakimir> Steffanx: did you pay for the movie?
2017-07-05T23:51:38 < Steffanx> With my soul.
2017-07-05T23:51:56 < kakimir> you sold your life to see it
2017-07-05T23:52:18 < kakimir> I should see the original one
2017-07-05T23:52:21 < kakimir> it was the best
2017-07-05T23:52:28 < Steffanx> original one?
2017-07-05T23:52:32 < kakimir> The Alien
2017-07-05T23:52:40 < Steffanx> oh, yes. Ripley is best.
2017-07-05T23:52:49 < kakimir> Ripley is
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2017-07-06T00:05:06 < Steffanx>  You seem to spend time in a cinema often, kakimir
2017-07-06T00:05:44 < Steffanx> How much does one pay for that in finland
2017-07-06T00:06:47 < kakimir> awful lot
2017-07-06T00:06:55 < kakimir> 10years ago it was 7euros
2017-07-06T00:07:00 < kakimir> now it's 12
2017-07-06T00:07:19 < kakimir> and stereo photo format 15euros
2017-07-06T00:07:29 < kakimir> to see SHIT
2017-07-06T00:08:12 < Steffanx> Oh about the same as here
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2017-07-06T00:08:50 < kakimir> I got free tickets though
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2017-07-06T00:08:59 < Steffanx> :)
2017-07-06T00:09:13 < kakimir> My aunt gets them from work or so and gives them to me as present
2017-07-06T00:09:23 < vampi-the-frog> I want to marry your aunt
2017-07-06T00:09:30 < ohsix> boop
2017-07-06T00:09:35 < vampi-the-frog> so that I would get free tickets as well
2017-07-06T00:09:51 < Steffannn> vampi-the-frog: have you met crt yet?
2017-07-06T00:09:52 < vampi-the-frog> and so that you can call me uncle
2017-07-06T00:10:02 < Steffannn> You two can become good friends
2017-07-06T00:11:44 < Steffannn> Its true
2017-07-06T00:11:57 < kakimir> I would die
2017-07-06T00:12:07  * karlp isn't sure to be happy or sad that he pointed out ##stm32 to cvampi
2017-07-06T00:12:41 < kakimir> karlp: yeah no problem just one _person_ more on this crazy train
2017-07-06T00:13:04 < englishman> did you just assume my species
2017-07-06T00:13:53 < kakimir> who?
2017-07-06T00:14:02 < Steffannn> I ve seen vampi-the-frog before.. Or was that libopencm3
2017-07-06T00:14:09 < Steffannn> In*
2017-07-06T00:14:36 < vampi-the-frog> try yelling that out loud in a crowd
2017-07-06T00:14:42 < vampi-the-frog> "DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GENDER!?"
2017-07-06T00:15:52 < ohsix> did you just assume my level of critical reasoning facilities
2017-07-06T00:16:06 < Steffannn> Assume?
2017-07-06T00:16:20 < vampi-the-frog> did you just assume I am assuming?
2017-07-06T00:16:44 < Steffannn> Are you a Teapot?
2017-07-06T00:16:53 < vampi-the-frog> short and stout
2017-07-06T00:17:07 < vampi-the-frog> this is my handle
2017-07-06T00:17:08 < ohsix> did you get that thing i sent you
2017-07-06T00:17:10 < vampi-the-frog> this is my spout
2017-07-06T00:17:19 < vampi-the-frog> ohsix: BIRDMAN
2017-07-06T00:17:25 < vampi-the-frog> ya get that thing I sencha?
2017-07-06T00:19:32 < Steffannn> What have you done karlp
2017-07-06T00:19:40 < Steffannn> How could you
2017-07-06T00:20:01 < Steffannn> 2nd - i make so sense - crt
2017-07-06T00:20:07 < Steffannn> No*
2017-07-06T00:20:42 < mitrax> damn... i've been hanging in here for 2 years i just noticed that karlp is "plrak" reversed
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2017-07-06T00:21:06 < karlp> mitrax: only one of them is my name though :)
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2017-07-06T00:39:16 < englishman> https://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucdsclnk?sl=91QSCI17132601
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2017-07-06T00:55:16 < kakimir> is there civilian operated black hawks?
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2017-07-06T01:30:15 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/JEhlfav.png
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2017-07-06T01:32:27 < kakimir> oh this is referrence to cnn blackmailing reddit user that made funny video?
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2017-07-06T01:44:43 < Laurenceb_> yup
2017-07-06T01:45:04 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2017/07/05/a-virtual-machine-in-google-sheets/
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2017-07-06T01:55:00 < dongs> mitrax: properly stored shit, no. had some ancient EOL'd TDK coils that were impossible to solder, i used that footprint in pretty much every board where i needed a 3x3 coil, so I had to change a whole bunch of boards because of that
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2017-07-06T02:03:46 < Laurenceb_> https://genius.com/Ariana-grande-side-to-side-lyrics
2017-07-06T02:03:51 < Laurenceb_> what the actual fuck
2017-07-06T02:04:53 < Laurenceb_> All this time I thought it was a 4chan troll
2017-07-06T02:05:12 < kakimir> what is wrong with it?
2017-07-06T02:05:32 < kakimir> don't you listen the radio?
2017-07-06T02:05:56 < Laurenceb_> no it's cancer
2017-07-06T02:06:43 < kakimir> yes. but appart from that
2017-07-06T02:06:47 < kakimir> ?
2017-07-06T02:08:54 < kakimir> sure you do think everything is chan troll because all you do is chan
2017-07-06T02:09:14 < Laurenceb_> yeah but those lyrics...
2017-07-06T02:09:55 < kakimir> what
2017-07-06T02:10:20 < Laurenceb_> dick bicycle
2017-07-06T02:12:32 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-06T02:14:09 < Laurenceb_> wrist icicle
2017-07-06T02:14:19 < Laurenceb_> have you got a tricycle?
2017-07-06T02:14:33 < kakimir> it rhymes
2017-07-06T02:14:39 < Laurenceb_> they went full Poe
2017-07-06T02:14:58 < kakimir> speak inglish
2017-07-06T02:17:14 < kakimir> I don't have tricycle
2017-07-06T02:18:04 < kakimir> do you?
2017-07-06T02:21:52 < kakimir> what is poe?
2017-07-06T02:31:20 < Thorn> webcast starting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIHVPCj25Z0
2017-07-06T02:35:12 < dongs> nice
2017-07-06T02:37:08 < Laurenceb_> Poes law
2017-07-06T02:37:10 < Laurenceb_> google it
2017-07-06T02:37:16 < dongs> power over ethernet
2017-07-06T02:37:18 < kakimir> yes
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2017-07-06T03:12:21 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1F7vtxmEdg
2017-07-06T03:19:15 < upgrdman_> anyone know of a simple f4 usb device demo code that does NOT use hal? vcom mode would be nice, but i guess i could figure that part out.
2017-07-06T03:19:35 < upgrdman_> i just want to use the otg-fs periph as an "ftdi" :)
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2017-07-06T03:20:07 < ohsix> why not hal?
2017-07-06T03:20:18 < dongs> upgrdman: stdperiphlib + theres usb library with pre-hal code
2017-07-06T03:20:29 < ohsix> cm3 has usb and isn't hal
2017-07-06T03:20:31 < upgrdman> dongs, oh nice. will check
2017-07-06T03:20:42 < dongs> http://www.st.com/en/embedded-software/stsw-stm32046.html
2017-07-06T03:20:44 < dongs> this is non-cube
2017-07-06T03:20:45 < upgrdman> ohsix, hal sucks. way too many layers of abstraction
2017-07-06T03:20:58 < dongs> upgrdman: what would o6 know about stm32 or hal
2017-07-06T03:21:00 < dongs> he doesnt even code
2017-07-06T03:21:27 < dongs> upgrdman: for bonus points, actually emulate a ftdi
2017-07-06T03:21:35 < dongs> i had code somewehre to do it
2017-07-06T03:21:41 < upgrdman> lol
2017-07-06T03:22:43 < Laurenceb_> u could use chibios
2017-07-06T03:22:49 < Laurenceb_> if you can live with rtos
2017-07-06T03:23:08 < upgrdman> trying to keep things simple for now
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2017-07-06T03:32:27 < dongs> chibidongs
2017-07-06T03:32:43 < dongs> the question is do any of these toy/opensores libs properly support usb
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2017-07-06T03:41:39 < ohsix> upgrdman: wut
2017-07-06T03:41:55 < crt> senpioneer will downgrade your upgrade to a regrade which is higher than your current grade
2017-07-06T03:42:37 < upgrdman> ohsix, you like hal? its so fucking annoying to look at. "what does this function do?" -> have to dive down 10 layers of function calls.
2017-07-06T03:45:21 < crt> did anyone like hal?
2017-07-06T03:46:02 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vVV8hRTxgE
2017-07-06T03:48:16 < dongs> upgrdman: why are you spending keystrokes chatting. he hasnt used hal or  stdperiph or anything stm32 related
2017-07-06T03:48:38 < dongs> i could talk shit about AVR all day, and t hats just gonna be that, shit, beacuse I havent spent any time with AVR
2017-07-06T03:49:05 < jadew> I have, they're nice
2017-07-06T03:49:18 < dongs> . no
2017-07-06T03:50:13 < jadew> I'm off to bed, look like I'm about to screw up my sleep schedule again
2017-07-06T03:50:21 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/ExaltedAmusingHanumanmonkey
2017-07-06T03:51:45 < jadew> source?
2017-07-06T03:51:55 < dongs> of what?
2017-07-06T03:52:09 < dongs> spics crashed on a wedding
2017-07-06T03:52:13 < jadew> the soundless video
2017-07-06T03:52:51 < dongs> ya i'd like the sounds too
2017-07-06T03:54:58 < jadew> https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2335051/bride-killed-helicopter-crash-big-wedding-entrance-surprise-groom-goes-wrong/
2017-07-06T03:55:13 < dongs> yes
2017-07-06T03:55:14 < jadew> apparently only 3 out of 4 people died
2017-07-06T03:55:21 < jadew> I didn't get to the part which says who
2017-07-06T03:55:29 < jadew> (not the bride obviously)
2017-07-06T03:56:02 < dongs> The bride's brother along with the pregnant wedding photographer and the pilot were all killed in the horror crash
2017-07-06T03:56:05 < dongs> pics say all killed?
2017-07-06T03:56:10 < jadew> "Eight teams from Sao Paulo Fire Department were on the scene swiftly as the crash site was close to an access road, but tragically there were no survivors."
2017-07-06T03:56:37 < jadew> ah, I misread
2017-07-06T03:56:38 < ohsix> upgrdman: i don't like any of it
2017-07-06T03:56:40 < dongs> oh lewl
2017-07-06T03:56:44 < jadew> the bride and other 3
2017-07-06T03:56:45 < dongs> so the dude was waiting for the bride to arrive
2017-07-06T03:56:47 < dongs> yeah
2017-07-06T03:56:49 < jadew> I thought only 3 out of 4
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2017-07-06T03:57:21 < ohsix> but you also don't need to make the case to me, lul, it is just a weird thing to avoid imo
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2017-07-06T04:01:19 < ohsix> haha
2017-07-06T04:01:23 < ohsix> that headphone guy is in here
2017-07-06T04:01:41 < ohsix> https://www.getdubs.com/ these guys
2017-07-06T04:01:45 < ohsix> gonna join the meeting bbl
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2017-07-06T04:04:06 < branjb> anyone have experience with how HR/hiring in big companies works?  I applied for a bunch of reqs, made it to the point of in person interviews, now when I look at the job status page it shows me under consideration for a bunch of req ID's that aren't in their system
2017-07-06T04:04:10 < ohsix> noice it's about bluetooth
2017-07-06T04:04:15 < jadew> ohsix, having to wear ear plugs in order to go into a club is fucking stupid
2017-07-06T04:04:17 < ohsix> might get to wireshark and f' with stuff
2017-07-06T04:04:19 < branjb> are job postings in the US just some kind of weird legality>
2017-07-06T04:04:28 < ohsix> jadew: hearing loss is dumbe r:D
2017-07-06T04:04:40 < ohsix> they're talking about only testing these headphones on an iphone and nothing else
2017-07-06T04:04:44 < ohsix> bbl they need help
2017-07-06T04:06:42 < jadew> branjb, that info might be there for other employees that might be considering the same job you're after
2017-07-06T04:07:51 < branjb> seems weird that i'd be under consideration for job reqs that I didn't apply to and can't search
2017-07-06T04:08:03 < crt> fucken
2017-07-06T04:08:07 < dongs> branjb: you should ask o6, i heard he aced several jobs interviews, and rejected them all cuz they were not challenging enough
2017-07-06T04:08:09 < jadew> branjb, not weird at all
2017-07-06T04:08:26 < jadew> they might not post all the job openings
2017-07-06T04:08:44 < jadew> and after the interview they figured you're fit for other positions too
2017-07-06T04:09:18 < branjb> i've only done phone interviews so far, no in person till next month
2017-07-06T04:10:23 < jadew> phone interviews are usually for screening
2017-07-06T04:10:26 < dongs> are you trying to job something stm related?
2017-07-06T04:10:35 < jadew> they called you in for the in person interview?
2017-07-06T04:10:45 < branjb> yeah
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2017-07-06T04:11:22 < jadew> then you have a real chance of getting it
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2017-07-06T04:11:33 < branjb> well
2017-07-06T04:11:39 < branjb> they haven't seen how retarded I am irl yet
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2017-07-06T04:12:00 < jadew> well, make sure you hide it for 30 minutes :)
2017-07-06T04:14:47 < jadew> ok, I'm off to bed, night o/
2017-07-06T04:52:36 < crt> here's one for ya
2017-07-06T04:52:39 < crt> RS components
2017-07-06T04:52:51 < crt> need capacitor? RS pro brand? OK, shipment arrives
2017-07-06T04:52:55 < crt> JACKCON
2017-07-06T04:52:59 < crt> WHAT THE FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK
2017-07-06T04:55:36 < crt> yeah nah thanks cunts I have ebay you know.
2017-07-06T05:00:29 < crt> attn dongs my greetings go to MOGAMI today
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2017-07-06T05:28:06 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/zchjc4x67u7z.jpg
2017-07-06T05:29:18 < englishman> branjb: submitting a resume and applying for a job and interviewing and getting a job is a silly hollywood fantasy
2017-07-06T05:32:18 < aandrew> englishman: really?
2017-07-06T05:32:33 < aandrew> I would say maybe where you're from but you're in the same country
2017-07-06T05:32:56 < englishman> wow i wonder what happened in that dec 2016 crash
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2017-07-06T05:33:14 < englishman> low level flight over unknown terrain in ifr
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2017-07-06T05:56:11 < upgrdman> nice scooter  https://i.redd.it/byahctmuhv7z.jpg
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2017-07-06T06:08:37 < dongs> upgrdman needs a job
2017-07-06T06:09:11 < upgrdman> lol i haz a job
2017-07-06T06:13:26 < dongs> englishman: is there LL for F3 yet
2017-07-06T06:13:27 < aandrew> /pol/ troll isn't a job
2017-07-06T06:13:47 < englishman> isnt it?
2017-07-06T06:14:18 < englishman> looks liek it is
2017-07-06T06:14:32 < dongs> where does it come from?
2017-07-06T06:14:36 < dongs> update cube, get ll?
2017-07-06T06:14:38 < englishman> yes
2017-07-06T06:14:46 < englishman> select in cube project settings menu
2017-07-06T06:17:25 < dongs> clicked on libopencm3 shithub
2017-07-06T06:17:31 < dongs> to see if they added support for F3 usart yet
2017-07-06T06:17:37 < dongs> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/lib/stm32/f3/usart.c
2017-07-06T06:17:38 < dongs> lol.
2017-07-06T06:17:48 < dongs> and this is why nobody should be using that shit.
2017-07-06T06:18:12 < upgrdman> lol
2017-07-06T06:18:23 < upgrdman> that's, well, pretty bad
2017-07-06T06:20:14 < englishman> maybe try libopencm4
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2017-07-06T06:25:07 < upgrdman> lol, micron dropped 7% in two days, then jumped up 4.5% today
2017-07-06T06:25:28 < upgrdman> wonder when their bubble will pop
2017-07-06T06:25:57 < dongs> didusee, buttcoin mining mobos are the rage now
2017-07-06T06:26:01 < dongs> 12 pcie x 1 slots
2017-07-06T06:26:16 < dongs> arranged in some bullshti thing wehre you can plug in pcie->usb3 socket for external gpu
2017-07-06T06:26:17 < upgrdman> x1? will gpu's work with x1?
2017-07-06T06:26:22 < dongs> yes
2017-07-06T06:26:47 < dongs> http://images.anandtech.com/doci/11604/20170619_2.jpg
2017-07-06T06:26:48 < dongs> Lol
2017-07-06T06:27:26 < dongs> fucking great
2017-07-06T06:27:30 < dongs> cube fails to downlaod F3 update packge
2017-07-06T06:27:31 < upgrdman> wait so theyre just using pcie as usb?
2017-07-06T06:27:35 < dongs> no man
2017-07-06T06:27:38 < dongs> they're jsut using USB3 CABLES
2017-07-06T06:27:40 < dongs> to transmit pcie
2017-07-06T06:27:43 < upgrdman> oh
2017-07-06T06:27:45 < dongs> cuz its rx/tx lanes + power
2017-07-06T06:28:33 < upgrdman> i guess when your crunching buttcoins you dont need a lot of cpu<->gpu bandwidth
2017-07-06T06:28:38 < dongs> not at all.
2017-07-06T06:28:41 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-06T06:28:54 < dongs> fucking cube
2017-07-06T06:29:00 < dongs> of course i cant download the fucking thing directly either
2017-07-06T06:29:05 < dongs> it jsut dies after 1-10 megs
2017-07-06T06:35:03 < dongs> hey its going further this time
2017-07-06T06:35:12 < dongs> maybe by the end of today I can download it
2017-07-06T06:36:18 < englishman> dongs: https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/
2017-07-06T06:42:23 < dongs> motehrfucker
2017-07-06T06:42:27 < dongs> looked away for a minute and it failed again
2017-07-06T06:42:40 < dongs> englishman: the fucking download times out
2017-07-06T06:42:53 < dongs> its not my internets either
2017-07-06T06:43:11 < englishman> i dono i downloaded the f3 one yesterday
2017-07-06T06:43:14 < englishman> after these f0 dma issues
2017-07-06T06:43:19 < englishman> took like 30sec
2017-07-06T06:43:29 < englishman> oh yeah
2017-07-06T06:43:33 < englishman> i actually used f3 ll
2017-07-06T06:43:33 < englishman> lol
2017-07-06T06:43:40 < englishman> with success
2017-07-06T06:43:48 < englishman> why did i have to check if it exists
2017-07-06T06:44:18 < dongs> lol
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2017-07-06T06:45:10 < dongs> fucking rip. i have board with F4 and RS485 and the shitty old usart there doesnt do auto_DE :(
2017-07-06T06:45:20 < englishman> have you ever used f0 dma
2017-07-06T06:45:22 < dongs> f3 failed agian
2017-07-06T06:45:23 < dongs> yes
2017-07-06T06:45:27 < englishman> i just want to pulse out some ws2812b shit
2017-07-06T06:45:28 < dongs> but in stdperiphlib
2017-07-06T06:45:30 < dongs> yeah
2017-07-06T06:45:38 < englishman> takes like 20us between transfers
2017-07-06T06:45:41 < englishman> enough to reset leds
2017-07-06T06:45:50 < dongs> uh really
2017-07-06T06:46:02 < englishman> wasnt even LL i resorted to register writes to see if that was the issue
2017-07-06T06:46:15 < englishman> copypasted code to F3, works great, <2us between transfers
2017-07-06T06:46:17 < dongs> didnt use for ws but dont remember baving isseus
2017-07-06T06:46:50 < emeb_mac> englishman: F0 using DMA to drive a WS281x -> https://github.com/emeb/lightshow
2017-07-06T06:47:04 < englishman> thanks will check it out
2017-07-06T06:47:22 < englishman> totally confounded me
2017-07-06T06:47:26 < englishman> wasted a bunch of time
2017-07-06T06:47:51 < dongs> TIM_SelectCCDMA() ?
2017-07-06T06:47:51 < englishman> literally copypasted to f3 and just changed dma channel etc. works great
2017-07-06T06:47:52 < dongs> this is new
2017-07-06T06:48:14 < dongs> is that ghetto timer feature
2017-07-06T06:48:20 < dongs> 24megs of F0 downloaded so far
2017-07-06T06:48:22 < dongs> will it time out?!
2017-07-06T06:48:24 < dongs> er F3
2017-07-06T06:48:33 < englishman> in LL its like that but a little different
2017-07-06T06:49:40 < dongs> http://halfcoin.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-51.html nice
2017-07-06T06:50:04 < englishman> looks like the same stuff i was doing
2017-07-06T06:50:27 < dongs> ya just came up in google alerts
2017-07-06T06:53:45 < dongs> 68megs
2017-07-06T06:53:51 < dongs> THE SUSPENSE
2017-07-06T06:55:44 < emeb_mac> the intertubes are less than fully reliable
2017-07-06T06:56:28 < emeb_mac> was doing an online OS upgrade the other day & my ISP died partway thru.
2017-07-06T06:58:00 < dongs> FUCK
2017-07-06T06:58:04 < dongs> died at like 60%
2017-07-06T06:58:40 < emeb_mac> too bad you can't set up some sort of proxy
2017-07-06T06:58:51 < dongs> proxy isnt the problem
2017-07-06T06:58:54 < dongs> its shitty ST site
2017-07-06T06:59:01 < upgrdman> you china's or someshit
2017-07-06T06:59:04 < dongs> it downloaded F4 firmware which is 2x the size at 10x faster speed
2017-07-06T06:59:06 < dongs> it was done in a minute
2017-07-06T06:59:15 < dongs> ebut F3 is fucking crawling + timeouting
2017-07-06T06:59:20 < dongs> so its definitely not my fucking internets
2017-07-06T06:59:50 < emeb_mac> some way to redirect the traffic to a site you control with the file intact
2017-07-06T07:00:05 < dongs> if I could just click on the fucking link to download the zip im sure i could resume it
2017-07-06T07:00:11 < emeb_mac> ya
2017-07-06T07:00:12 < dongs> or if the fucking ST downlaoder would resume shit
2017-07-06T07:00:15 < dongs> instead of fucking starting over
2017-07-06T07:00:21 < dongs> filthy java trash
2017-07-06T07:01:23 < emeb_mac> bet you could hexedit that java to change the web address
2017-07-06T07:01:47 < dongs> http://www.openstm32.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=5300&display=print
2017-07-06T07:01:50 < dongs> lul
2017-07-06T07:01:54 < dongs> apparently im not the only one with that shit failing
2017-07-06T07:02:03 < dongs> http://www.st.com/resource/en/firmware2/stm32cube_fw_f3_v180.zip
2017-07-06T07:02:20 < dongs> ha ha, downloaded in 30 seconds
2017-07-06T07:02:23 < dongs> without java
2017-07-06T07:02:32 < dongs> fucking aids
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2017-07-06T07:03:25 < emeb_mac> that thread seems to suggest how to unzip into the structure it wants
2017-07-06T07:03:29 < dongs> yeah
2017-07-06T07:03:44 < emeb_mac> but I'm astonished that dongs is using that AC6 stuff
2017-07-06T07:04:03 < dongs> im not
2017-07-06T07:04:09 < dongs> im just installing cube trash so i can look at LL lib
2017-07-06T07:04:22 < emeb_mac> ah
2017-07-06T07:04:45 < emeb_mac> so you don't need the self install crap at all
2017-07-06T07:04:50 < emeb_mac> just unzip & done
2017-07-06T07:04:52 < dongs> right
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2017-07-06T07:05:36 < dongs> and done, unzip took longer than teh actual fucking download
2017-07-06T07:05:46 < emeb_mac> I've never used the LL stuff but I keep hearing about it lately. what's so great about it?
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2017-07-06T07:06:05 < dongs> its the new stdperiph-like thing
2017-07-06T07:06:11 < dongs> with only 2-3 layers of indirection
2017-07-06T07:06:13 < dongs> instead of 10 like hal
2017-07-06T07:06:34 < emeb_mac> so small code size & faster setup
2017-07-06T07:06:41 < emeb_mac> but less functionality
2017-07-06T07:06:43 < dongs> same
2017-07-06T07:06:58 < emeb_mac> hmph
2017-07-06T07:07:11 < dongs> makes total sense right?
2017-07-06T07:07:19 < emeb_mac> after I figured out how to use HAL about the same way I used to use StdPeriph
2017-07-06T07:07:56 < crt> Pretty weird, cut.
2017-07-06T07:08:14 < crt> Is there a better cortex-m vendor
2017-07-06T07:08:48 < dongs> your mom
2017-07-06T07:09:05 < emeb_mac> When I was doing stuff on value-line F100 parts years ago I used to start out w/ StdPeriph and then swap in direct register access - code size would drop significantly
2017-07-06T07:09:31 < crt> thanks dongs i'd never have thought!
2017-07-06T07:09:35 < emeb_mac> but I was doing much simpler things then so I gave that up.
2017-07-06T07:10:26 < machinehum> Never used LL before
2017-07-06T07:10:32 < machinehum> HAL's a bit much
2017-07-06T07:10:48 < machinehum> Layer after layer after layer
2017-07-06T07:10:54 < machinehum> You're peeling fucking onioun
2017-07-06T07:11:06 < machinehum> onions*
2017-07-06T07:11:25 < emeb_mac> never bothered looking too deep into it.
2017-07-06T07:11:32 < crt> wut is LL
2017-07-06T07:11:35 < emeb_mac> Just copypasta the examples and make it work
2017-07-06T07:11:51 < emeb_mac> that's the problem with LL  - no example code, right?
2017-07-06T07:11:54 < crt> LeelooLib
2017-07-06T07:14:22 < machinehum> Low level
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2017-07-06T07:29:05 < dongs> < crt> LeelooLib
2017-07-06T07:29:08 < dongs> that was a non-starter
2017-07-06T07:29:22 < dongs> a one-man effort to create yet another fucking cross-platform stm32 library
2017-07-06T07:29:34 < dongs> can't fail
2017-07-06T07:31:35 < crt>  \o/
2017-07-06T07:32:28 < crt> this fucking chinese silabs 8051 programmer
2017-07-06T07:35:46 < englishman> LL is just renamed stdperiphlib without camelcase
2017-07-06T07:40:09 < dongs> no its just stdperiphlib and everything is prefixed with LL_
2017-07-06T07:42:09 < dongs> renaming shit like DMA_DIR_PeripheralToMemory to DMA_DIR_PeripheralSRC between different chip model versions is the kidna shit ST loves to do for no fuckign reason
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2017-07-06T07:43:56 < englishman> you mean french ST summer interns
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2017-07-06T07:50:32 < dongs> yes
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2017-07-06T09:08:13 < dongs> jadew: http://g1.globo.com/sao-paulo/noticia/camera-registrou-queda-de-helicoptero-que-matou-noiva-e-video-e-usado-em-investigacao-assista.ghtml the video w/audio
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2017-07-06T09:20:41 < crt> oh
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2017-07-06T10:59:22 < rajkosto> help
2017-07-06T11:01:26 < crt> ok
2017-07-06T11:01:38 < crt> where did dad stick it in you this time?
2017-07-06T11:03:01 < rajkosto> i need to make a small battery powered "sticker" pcb
2017-07-06T11:03:12 < rajkosto> with wireless link
2017-07-06T11:03:14 < rajkosto> only need like 1mbps
2017-07-06T11:03:22 < rajkosto> just use esp ?
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2017-07-06T11:23:10 < Steffann> Crt: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/education/edlife/books.html
2017-07-06T11:23:33 < Steffann> rajkosto: nrf will do too, but size wise it doesnt really matter i think
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2017-07-06T11:28:51 < rajkosto> what control do you have with esp
2017-07-06T11:28:59 < rajkosto> can i just blast udp packets
2017-07-06T11:29:09 < dongs> 1488 sized ethernet packets
2017-07-06T11:29:26 < rajkosto> doesnt it have a MCU on it and you script it in lua ?
2017-07-06T11:29:43 < dongs> you can script it in wahtever teh fuck now
2017-07-06T11:29:56 < dongs> they even have a dedicated retardruino.exe build for it
2017-07-06T11:30:19 < rajkosto> is it better than a stm32f107
2017-07-06T11:30:49 < dongs> one is wifi one is ethernet?
2017-07-06T11:31:06 < rajkosto> i mean cpu power-wise
2017-07-06T11:31:21 < dongs> no its some retarded gimped non-brand cpu
2017-07-06T11:32:00 < dongs> its not cortex -m, someshit called xtensa core or whatever, i think some fpga-targeted junk
2017-07-06T11:32:04 < dongs> chinks didnt wanna pay arm licensing
2017-07-06T11:32:24 < dongs> only supported by gcc
2017-07-06T11:32:52 < rajkosto> so no beautiful ADC or SPI DMA like i have on stm
2017-07-06T11:32:57 < dongs> lol no
2017-07-06T11:33:11 < rajkosto> how quickly respond to interrupt then
2017-07-06T11:33:15 < dongs> no idea
2017-07-06T11:33:20 < dongs> by not using it
2017-07-06T11:33:41 < rajkosto> give me a bluetooth module to use then
2017-07-06T11:36:08 < dongs> digikey.com
2017-07-06T11:38:25 < rajkosto> no no, tiny cheap chink one
2017-07-06T11:38:32 < rajkosto> that you know how to talk to
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2017-07-06T11:44:49 < ReadError> MUST BE 1488 SIZED
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2017-07-06T12:06:59 < Steffann> What do you want to use it for rajkosto ?
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2017-07-06T12:07:17 < rajkosto> broadcast some gyro data after sticking it to things
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2017-07-06T13:51:50 < ohsix> boop
2017-07-06T13:59:34 < karlp> dongs: upgrdman: the only thing in the f3 usart.c file is the stuff that isn't already in common/usart_common_v2.c and common/usart_common_all.c
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2017-07-06T14:04:00 < dongs> ssh.
2017-07-06T14:04:30 < dongs> too fucking many files and way too make MAKEfiles in libopencm3.
2017-07-06T14:30:26 < dongs> can I use FILE * as a random opaque data structure to fprintf() to pass some other pointer, or will it try to access FILE-> related shit inside of it before going to fputc() which i've ovwrwritten
2017-07-06T14:33:47 < karlp> hrm, interesting idea.
2017-07-06T14:33:52 < karlp> no idea, let me know how it goes though :)
2017-07-06T14:34:09 < dongs> i think i might just fopen() a random thing just to get a handle
2017-07-06T14:34:12 < dongs> trying that first
2017-07-06T14:34:25 < dongs> i've overwritten it to write to usart1/2/3
2017-07-06T14:34:27 < karlp> you can use any fd you want though, those aren't looked up or checked anywhere
2017-07-06T14:34:36 < dongs> i'm using stdout for USART1, stderr for ITM_PutChar
2017-07-06T14:34:38 < karlp> but then you need the global structs to be indexed by the fd
2017-07-06T14:34:42 < dongs> but now I need 2 moer handles for 2/3
2017-07-06T14:35:38 < dongs> hmm fopen failed
2017-07-06T14:35:44 < dongs> what teh fuck was it trying to OPEN in the first place?!
2017-07-06T14:36:43 < dongs> hmm nope.
2017-07-06T14:37:33 < dongs> ok time to try opaque pointer ther
2017-07-06T14:37:35 < dongs> then
2017-07-06T14:39:06 < dongs> well that worked (in keil)
2017-07-06T14:39:08 < dongs> i'm done.
2017-07-06T14:43:28 < karlp> so *FILE can be anything you like?
2017-07-06T14:43:33 < karlp> and you just get it back again in fputc?
2017-07-06T14:43:34 < dongs> yeah
2017-07-06T14:43:44 < karlp> any reason you using fputc rather than write()?
2017-07-06T14:43:46 < dongs> i passed it pointer to my uart control struct
2017-07-06T14:43:51 < dongs> yeah cuz im using fprintf() and shit
2017-07-06T14:44:16 < dongs> does write come with a fd to determine where its going to?
2017-07-06T14:48:32 < karlp> yeah
2017-07-06T14:48:40 < karlp> write gives you fd, data* and length
2017-07-06T14:48:41 < dongs> how do i choose it during printf?
2017-07-06T14:49:02 < karlp> probably doesn't work for you :)
2017-07-06T14:49:14 < karlp> you can use the fprintf(stdout, stderr shit and it "does the right thign"
2017-07-06T14:49:27 < karlp> I think someone had ane xample of making "cookies" or something that let you do whatever you want
2017-07-06T14:50:16 < karlp> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/blob/master/examples/stm32/f0/stm32f0-discovery/usart_stdio/usart_stdio.c#L68
2017-07-06T14:50:34 < karlp> https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Streams-and-Cookies.html
2017-07-06T14:50:42 < dongs> oic sounds like gnu internals
2017-07-06T14:50:45 < karlp> that's the "way" to have your private pointer shit for file *
2017-07-06T14:50:48 < dongs> keil doesnt use jewlib anyway
2017-07-06T14:50:53 < karlp> no idea what's "standard" though
2017-07-06T14:51:09 < dongs> i see, interesting nevertheless
2017-07-06T14:51:24 < karlp> CONFORMING TO This function is a nonstandard GNU extension.
2017-07-06T14:51:33 < dongs> more hacks that would never work anywhere outside gcc ^_^
2017-07-06T14:51:44 < karlp> well, I've never used it, just rememebered seeing it somewhere
2017-07-06T14:52:31 < karlp> I wonder what FILE* is meant to be
2017-07-06T14:54:53 < dongs> on windows its an actual data structure with a bunch of shit inside
2017-07-06T15:02:06 < dongs> now i gotta find my 485 > usb dongles and wire that shit up
2017-07-06T15:02:12 < dongs> such aids
2017-07-06T15:02:19 < dongs> looks liek code works otherwise
2017-07-06T15:02:37 < dongs> another win for KEIL and CLOSED SOURCE
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2017-07-06T15:05:16 < dongs> did you know CH340 driver is in windows update
2017-07-06T15:05:18 < dongs> on win10
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2017-07-06T15:06:24 < karlp> hooray
2017-07-06T15:08:51 < englishman> nice
2017-07-06T15:09:12 < dongs> hopefullyt its the driver that doesnt fucking crash
2017-07-06T15:09:14 < dongs> when you try to use it
2017-07-06T15:09:19 < dongs> like that PL2303 garbage
2017-07-06T15:09:34 < dongs> open PL2303 @ 115200 baud and try to actually push that much data through it = RIP
2017-07-06T15:15:37 < englishman> dongs did you get my msg about silicone grommets
2017-07-06T15:15:47 < englishman> still needed for dickstarter
2017-07-06T15:15:57 < englishman> dono if this is something they do
2017-07-06T15:16:19 < dongs> ah... im gonna guess no, ill ask anyway thoi. yeah i saw that mail, was waay too busy w/dickstarter shit
2017-07-06T15:16:26 < englishman> thx
2017-07-06T15:16:41 < dongs> beep me again overnight just highlight with same shit so i dont forget while stoned
2017-07-06T15:16:48 < dongs> in like few hours
2017-07-06T15:17:20 < englishman> !remindme boop
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2017-07-06T15:20:22 < crt> Stfn
2017-07-06T15:23:39 < dongs> pmpo
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2017-07-06T15:25:49 < crt> Lol
2017-07-06T15:28:26 < crt> N _ G G _ R S
2017-07-06T15:28:35 < crt> Wanna buy a vowel?
2017-07-06T15:31:42 < jadew> https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ANpAfOWmXC8/WHnLCg69IUI/AAAAAAACdFQ/j9DaR1RKJ2I_dNDsDqzEy1_esQlOVmE3wCLcB/s640/fakedK2i.jpg
2017-07-06T15:33:09 < Thorn> http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/07/06/european-parliament-wants-smartphones-tech-last-longer-easier-repair/
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2017-07-06T15:34:11 < jadew> Thorn, if done right, it could be a great piece of legislation
2017-07-06T15:34:49 < Thorn> Mr. Rossmann should emigrate
2017-07-06T15:35:15 < jadew> I'm sick of locked phones/tablets that stop getting updates
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2017-07-06T15:37:42 < Thorn> not sure if android updates would fall under that law
2017-07-06T15:37:56 < jadew> they mention software updates too
2017-07-06T15:38:08 < jadew> because that's a way of making a product obsolete too
2017-07-06T15:38:22 < jadew> you stop giving it updates, a year later half the shit on the market doesn't run on it
2017-07-06T15:39:19 < jadew> sounds like great legislation
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2017-07-06T15:49:39 < jadew> dongs, looks like it was because of the weather
2017-07-06T15:49:48 < dongs> jadew: correct
2017-07-06T15:49:54 < dongs> as englishman woudl say, VFR into IMC
2017-07-06T15:53:47 < dongs> fuckin lol, uae blocks *.il domains outright
2017-07-06T15:54:08 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cBHX0J1.jpg
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2017-07-06T16:20:04 < dongs> An $xx Raspberry Pi rival that runs full Windows 10 and Android
2017-07-06T16:20:07 < dongs> i don't understand
2017-07-06T16:20:16 < dongs> why does every SBC become a shitberry rival
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2017-07-06T16:50:38 < jadew> dongs, because they have to have shitberry in the title if they want a piece of the market
2017-07-06T16:52:14 < dongs> damnit
2017-07-06T16:52:19 < dongs> so im running a bruteforce of somethign thats really slow
2017-07-06T16:52:33 < dongs> so I trhought i could get lucky if i rand()' the space
2017-07-06T16:52:45 < dongs> wrote stuff to rand and skip already done cells
2017-07-06T16:52:50 < dongs> went to like 60% and still no dice :|
2017-07-06T16:52:52 < dongs> fuckin fail
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2017-07-06T17:11:36 < jadew> at least you only have 40% to go
2017-07-06T17:13:04 < jadew> I bet the NSA would have a more efficient algorithm for what you're trying to do
2017-07-06T17:13:25 < jadew> maybe you should ask them to give you a hand
2017-07-06T17:14:36 < jadew> they probably have mathematicians trying to find shortcut algorithms for all encryption algorithms full time
2017-07-06T17:15:48 < dongs> the problem isnt the algorithnm
2017-07-06T17:15:57 < dongs> Work complete, 686305 of 1048576 processed (426136 misses)
2017-07-06T17:16:24 < dongs> rand() (sse2 MT) generated same cell out of 656k times, 426k times
2017-07-06T17:16:38 < dongs> so like every second rand() had to be re-run to find a new empty cell
2017-07-06T17:16:59 < dongs> anyway, the problem is once im there, I cannot speed up teh process as its handled by an external device
2017-07-06T17:17:14 < dongs> so how fast my rand is doesnt matter, if it takes 300ms or somesuch to do one cell
2017-07-06T17:18:04 < dongs> o well i switched to do remainder linearly
2017-07-06T17:18:13 < dongs> finding missed cells from 0 and going up
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2017-07-06T17:41:21 < aandrew> dongs: wtf are you trying to bust in to
2017-07-06T17:41:28 < dongs> stuff
2017-07-06T17:41:50 < Thorn> car alarm
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2017-07-06T18:27:18 < dongs> is there a terminal software that can log serial including per-byte timestamps?
2017-07-06T18:31:12 < PaulFertser> I use jpnevulator for this kind of logging.
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2017-07-06T18:48:55 < kakimir> I don't like when program name begins with j
2017-07-06T18:49:16 < kakimir> it porentially implies it's java
2017-07-06T18:49:43 < jadew> dongs, did you solve your issue?
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2017-07-06T19:18:10 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/c7uXgGj
2017-07-06T19:18:14 < Laurenceb_> its a troll team
2017-07-06T19:18:35 < Laurenceb_> Raheem the meme Kassim
2017-07-06T19:19:19 < Laurenceb_> inb4 Mensch is running Brietbart
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2017-07-06T20:09:44 < Laurenceb_> you can't spell cuck without U and K
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2017-07-06T20:44:21 < tpw_rules> you can't be cucked if you don't have a gf
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2017-07-06T20:46:46 < rajkosto> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13678 how the hell do you upload code to this/use it as a SPI master
2017-07-06T20:51:01 < englishman> doesnt it have a uart bootloader or something
2017-07-06T20:51:13 < englishman> maybe check out one of upgrdman's youtube tutorials!
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2017-07-06T21:23:49 < qyx> gxti: thanks for your help with tcxo :) https://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/stm32-and-external-active-oscillator/
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2017-07-06T21:36:12 < qyx> any idea why TIM2 stops counting after one cycle?
2017-07-06T21:38:18 < qyx> one-pulse mode is cleared
2017-07-06T21:46:24 < qyx> when I set the UDIS bit, it overflows normally
2017-07-06T21:48:35 < Thorn> how exactly does this work (microphones?) https://youtu.be/w4tzIuhmDa4?t=7m28s
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2017-07-06T22:04:21 < englishman> a local range has these
2017-07-06T22:04:27 < englishman> it has some special electronic target
2017-07-06T22:04:30 < englishman> its not just, shooting paper
2017-07-06T22:05:28 < englishman> http://www.sius.com/en/03.17.2_Produkte_Sport_Scheiben_S101.html
2017-07-06T22:05:36 < englishman> looks like it triangulates using sound, tho
2017-07-06T22:05:36 < englishman> cool
2017-07-06T22:07:35 < englishman> also a really nice k31 there
2017-07-06T22:10:18 < englishman> lol are there houses directly above the targets
2017-07-06T22:12:41 < Thorn> some cheap real estate there probably
2017-07-06T22:12:50 < englishman> lol
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2017-07-06T23:45:29 < upgrdman> anyone use stm32f4 with gcc? stm's "startup_stm32f429xx.s" startup file for gcc (from Cube) isn't working for me. i get "arm-none-eabi/bin/ld.exe:startup_stm32f429xx.s:46: syntax error" and like 46 is the first non-comment line "  .syntax unified"
2017-07-06T23:45:46 < upgrdman> s/like/line
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2017-07-06T23:49:29 < Thorn> what does ld have to do with a .s file
2017-07-06T23:49:46 < Thorn> what is the command that results in that error
2017-07-06T23:50:02 < upgrdman> i compile and link in one command
2017-07-06T23:50:04 < upgrdman> command is
2017-07-06T23:50:40 < upgrdman> arm-none-eabi-gcc -DSTM32F429xx -g -O2 -std=c99 -Winline -Wl,--gc-sections -mthumb -mcpu=cortex-m4 -mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16 -I"CMSIS/STM32F4xx/Include" -I"CMSIS/Include" -I"../../gnu-arm-embedded_2017-q1u6/arm-none-eabi/include" -Wl,-T,startup_stm32f429xx.s system_stm32f4xx.c main.c -L"../../gnu-arm-embedded_2017-q1u6/arm-none-eabi/lib/thumb/v7e-m" -lc -lm -o firmware.elf
2017-07-06T23:51:46 < Thorn> >-Wl,-T,startup_stm32f429xx.s
2017-07-06T23:52:04 < Thorn> -T is the linker script option
2017-07-06T23:52:28 < Thorn> you're trying to give it an assembly file as a linker script
2017-07-06T23:52:34 < upgrdman> oh shit
2017-07-06T23:52:34 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-07-07T00:02:55 < englishman> wow that must suck to remember all that and type it in every time you want to build something
2017-07-07T00:03:24 < vampi-the-frog> that's why you write them down somewhere or put it in a makefile
2017-07-07T00:03:26 < Thorn> if only something like gnu make existed
2017-07-07T00:04:53 < Steffann> Hi vampi-the-frog have you met crt yet?
2017-07-07T00:05:12 < vampi-the-frog> no room. mostly lcd nowadays
2017-07-07T00:06:01 < Steffann> Crt, aka stvn, aka curt from ##stm32
2017-07-07T00:07:13 < upgrdman> englishman, lol, i use a makefile. a shitty one.
2017-07-07T00:07:26 < vampi-the-frog> why are you hooking me up with this guy?
2017-07-07T00:07:35 < upgrdman> one of these days, prolly soon, i'll need to redo it and learn how to use make properly
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2017-07-07T00:09:02 < Steffann> Did you just assume gender vampi-the-frog ?
2017-07-07T00:09:18 < Steffann> Anyway, you seem alike a bit :P
2017-07-07T00:09:20 < upgrdman> whats the openocd command to flash?
2017-07-07T00:09:39 < upgrdman> i thought it was "program file.elf" but i think thats wrong
2017-07-07T00:09:51 < Thorn> flash write_image erase image.elf
2017-07-07T00:10:18 < Thorn> init / reset halt before, reset run after
2017-07-07T00:10:32 < Thorn> or you can use gdb (load)
2017-07-07T00:10:38 < upgrdman> openocd -f board/st_nucleo_f4.cfg flash write_image erase firmware.elf
2017-07-07T00:10:38 < upgrdman> GNU MCU Eclipse 64-bits Open On-Chip Debugger 0.10.0+dev-00135-g8029919-dirty (2017-06-22-15:43)
2017-07-07T00:10:38 < upgrdman> Licensed under GNU GPL v2
2017-07-07T00:10:38 < upgrdman> For bug reports, read
2017-07-07T00:10:39 < upgrdman>         http://openocd.org/doc/doxygen/bugs.html
2017-07-07T00:10:41 < upgrdman> Unexpected command line argument: flash
2017-07-07T00:10:47 < upgrdman> oops, sory for long paste
2017-07-07T00:11:04 < Steffann> -c "commands"
2017-07-07T00:11:16 < Steffann> Not as parameters
2017-07-07T00:11:23 < Thorn> and note the " "s
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2017-07-07T00:11:40 < upgrdman> ok
2017-07-07T00:11:42 < upgrdman> now i get "invalid subcommand "write_image erase firmware.elf""
2017-07-07T00:11:55 < upgrdman> when i
2017-07-07T00:11:55 < upgrdman> openocd -f board/st_nucleo_f4.cfg -c "flash write_image erase firmware.elf"
2017-07-07T00:11:59 < Steffann> Or: http://openocd.org/doc/html/Flash-Programming.html
2017-07-07T00:12:12 < Steffann> See bottom
2017-07-07T00:12:15 < crt> Hw
2017-07-07T00:12:32 < Steffann> There he is vampi-the-frog !
2017-07-07T00:12:40 < Steffann> Pretty scary.
2017-07-07T00:13:09 < crt> Hello welcome!!
2017-07-07T00:13:26 < Steffann> Thank you, welcome!
2017-07-07T00:13:58 < Steffann> I wonder how many actually know why you say that crt :P
2017-07-07T00:14:00 < upgrdman> Steffann, that fixed it. thanks
2017-07-07T00:14:32 < crt> :D
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2017-07-07T00:16:27  * vampi-the-frog sits back
2017-07-07T00:17:06 < Steffann> vampi-the-frog meet crt, crt meet vampi-the-frog.
2017-07-07T00:17:33 < vampi-the-frog> hi
2017-07-07T00:17:47 < upgrdman> wuts going on
2017-07-07T00:17:52 < upgrdman> you guys butt buddies or something
2017-07-07T00:18:37 < Steffannn> Wanna join?
2017-07-07T00:18:47 < upgrdman> thanks butt i'll pass
2017-07-07T00:19:01 < Steffannn> Butt*
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2017-07-07T00:22:00 < crt> Lol
2017-07-07T00:22:22 < crt> Who is frog
2017-07-07T00:30:00 < upgrdman> lol wait what, leeloo was in here?
2017-07-07T00:30:07 < upgrdman> when did she decide to return
2017-07-07T00:32:40 < crt> Never
2017-07-07T00:32:55 < crt> It's probably her psychiatrists
2017-07-07T00:33:08 < Steffannn> Weeks ago, but never said a word upgrdman
2017-07-07T00:33:10 < crt> They're trying to work out why she went mad
2017-07-07T00:33:26 < Steffannn> Crt, vampi-the-frog is your soul mate. You two seem alike much
2017-07-07T00:33:44 < crt> Steffan pushed her/him over the edge
2017-07-07T00:34:40 < crt> If only you banned everyone who disagreed with leeloo and created a safe space
2017-07-07T00:35:28 < mitrax> isn't leeloo a tranny?
2017-07-07T00:35:32 < crt> Yeah
2017-07-07T00:35:41 < vampi-the-frog> dick girl
2017-07-07T00:36:14 < crt> I'm bored
2017-07-07T00:36:41 < mitrax> hi bored
2017-07-07T00:37:02 < crt> My teeth are bleeding
2017-07-07T00:37:14 < Steffannn> You guys are silly.
2017-07-07T00:37:37 < crt> stffnnn
2017-07-07T00:37:41 < Steffannn> (Im too, but not such unfunny short sighted)
2017-07-07T00:37:55  * mitrax yapps
2017-07-07T00:38:03 < crt> What to do
2017-07-07T00:38:14 < crt> I could get out of bed
2017-07-07T00:38:28 < mitrax> crt: you could put a screwdriver in your nose
2017-07-07T00:38:53 < vampi-the-frog> I can fit a coin in there
2017-07-07T00:38:56 < mitrax> crt: the handle side, mind you
2017-07-07T00:39:47 < mitrax> vampi: what about a pineapple, would it fit?
2017-07-07T00:41:16 < vampi-the-frog> that's a stupid question
2017-07-07T00:41:22 < vampi-the-frog> next time you talk to me, shut up
2017-07-07T00:42:10 < crt> Fuck
2017-07-07T00:42:52 < Steffannn> Such Gathering of Teapots today. What have you done crt
2017-07-07T00:49:52 < crt> N
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2017-07-07T00:51:39 < mitrax> Z
2017-07-07T00:51:46 < upgrdman> gathering of teapots
2017-07-07T00:51:51 < upgrdman> is that some yurop saying
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2017-07-07T00:55:48 < Steffannn> Teapot is some aussie saying upgrdman
2017-07-07T00:55:59  * upgrdman notes
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2017-07-07T00:58:14 < upgrdman> i know how to use gdb --command=script.txt, but is there any way to do that without a script file? e.g. a gdb flag to execute like 3 or 4 commands?
2017-07-07T01:01:08 < Thorn> -ex "cmd"
2017-07-07T01:01:39 < upgrdman> and for multiple commands use multiple -ex "" ?
2017-07-07T01:01:47 < Thorn> yes
2017-07-07T01:01:49 < upgrdman> or can i do "cmd;cmd2;cmd3" ro something
2017-07-07T01:01:50 < upgrdman> ok
2017-07-07T01:01:55 < upgrdman> thanks
2017-07-07T01:02:47 < Thorn> gdb -ex 'target extended-remote localhost:3333' -ex 'mon reset init' -ex 'c' image.elf
2017-07-07T01:03:19 < jadew> "The lost city of Z" - nice movie
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2017-07-07T01:12:15 < upgrdman> to debug with openocd and gdb, this is working for me, but it seems like i have to do the "reset" halt in two places. is this normal or am i doing it wrong:
2017-07-07T01:12:22 < upgrdman> openocd -f board/st_nucleo_f4.cfg -c "init" -c "reset halt"
2017-07-07T01:12:28 < upgrdman> arm-none-eabi-gdb -silent -ex "target extended-remote localhost:3333" -ex "monitor reset halt" -ex "break main" -ex "continue" firmware.elf
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2017-07-07T01:53:02 < crt> GNU
2017-07-07T01:54:18 < jadew> https://vimeo.com/215782300
2017-07-07T01:54:27 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCd8ORq_maU
2017-07-07T01:54:59 < jadew> https://www.flashinglightprize.com/entries
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2017-07-07T01:59:55 < Thorn> when I was in high school I made an oscillator from a solenoid striking a microswitch
2017-07-07T02:01:23 < kakimir> ylj
2017-07-07T02:01:55 < kakimir> you know those rings in school and other places saying break is over or so?
2017-07-07T02:02:27 < jadew> you mean the bell?
2017-07-07T02:02:27 < kakimir> arm makes connection with the bell
2017-07-07T02:02:34 < kakimir> *hammer
2017-07-07T02:02:40 < jadew> ah, right
2017-07-07T02:02:42 < kakimir> drives solenoid
2017-07-07T02:02:53 < jadew> didn't know that's how they worked
2017-07-07T02:02:54 < kakimir> hammer lifts
2017-07-07T02:03:03 < kakimir> circuit is open
2017-07-07T02:03:17 < kakimir> I mean. maybe
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2017-07-07T02:03:48 < englishman> upgrdman: so how much time have you wasted on opensores toolchains this week
2017-07-07T02:04:04 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aMzOPtNjKo
2017-07-07T02:04:22 < upgrdman> englishman, too much. but i get paid for my time anyway :)
2017-07-07T02:04:58 < jadew> night
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2017-07-07T02:21:47 < kakimir> hello my fav canadian
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2017-07-07T02:23:12 < kakimir> oh no
2017-07-07T02:23:20 < Laurenceb_> muahahahaha
2017-07-07T02:23:23 < kakimir> bad laurence is here
2017-07-07T02:23:24 < branjb> Microsoft's layoffs will mostly affect sales, and thousands of jobs will be cut.
2017-07-07T02:24:25 < Laurenceb_> ownd
2017-07-07T02:25:05 < kakimir> well it comes with streamlining their sales
2017-07-07T02:25:42 < branjb> it's ok prob will replace them with H1b's to help make m$ more diverse
2017-07-07T02:27:53 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/2dc1d29c49359ad8a0ef89b19bb7702dfed1e7c7ff35d60167a45353b7dcfa9b.png
2017-07-07T02:28:05 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouAXAD5GxCs winner?
2017-07-07T02:33:13 < dongs> fucking finally
2017-07-07T02:33:30 < kakimir> what are you fucking now?
2017-07-07T02:33:39 < branjb> englishman: did you ever figure out that dma thing on f3?
2017-07-07T02:33:49 < englishman> working fine on F3, not on F0
2017-07-07T02:33:54 < branjb> oh, on f0
2017-07-07T02:34:00 < englishman> looked at emeb's linked code last night, looks the same as mine...
2017-07-07T02:34:12 < branjb> undocumented 'feature'?
2017-07-07T02:34:57 < dongs> probly pebkac
2017-07-07T02:35:21 < englishman> i dono
2017-07-07T02:35:25 < englishman> thing is it "works"
2017-07-07T02:35:30 < englishman> but the gap between transfers is too large
2017-07-07T02:35:44 < englishman> literal copypaste to f3 and gap is reduced 10x
2017-07-07T02:35:46 < englishman> no idea man
2017-07-07T02:40:38 < dongs> finally hit the shit i was looking for Work complete, 937292 of 1048576 processed
2017-07-07T02:40:42 < dongs> unfucking lucky
2017-07-07T02:40:57 < dongs> it was at around 75% of work space, so doing it linear would have been slightly faster
2017-07-07T02:46:36 < Laurenceb_> wew wtf
2017-07-07T02:46:51 < Laurenceb_> watching uk tv, they have an internet trolling expert
2017-07-07T02:47:00 < Laurenceb_> he says his name is ben garrison
2017-07-07T02:47:01 < branjb> is he aussie?
2017-07-07T02:47:12 < Laurenceb_> who is trolling who
2017-07-07T02:47:17 < tpw_rules> wait fuck that guy
2017-07-07T02:47:36 < tpw_rules> what is he doing in the uk
2017-07-07T02:47:44 < Laurenceb_> leader of the alt right
2017-07-07T02:47:52 < Laurenceb_> hitlers right hand man
2017-07-07T02:48:20 < tpw_rules> stop saying mean things about me
2017-07-07T02:48:25 < Laurenceb_> zyklon ben
2017-07-07T02:59:23 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9JsBy835g
2017-07-07T03:10:41 < Thorn> the brexit song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s5zcXccNMY
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2017-07-07T06:34:22 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/qhVSARR.jpg
2017-07-07T06:39:52 < dongs> looks good
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2017-07-07T08:04:09 < ReadError> https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/7/6/15929212/red-hydrogen-one-smartphone-price-specs-release
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2017-07-07T08:04:17 < ReadError> dafug
2017-07-07T08:09:33 < dongs> looks like some retarded Risk clone
2017-07-07T08:09:48 < dongs> page closed
2017-07-07T08:10:09 < ReadError> bet you close the entire window, amirite
2017-07-07T08:13:29 < dongs> The Israeli military is taking drone warfare to a new level with its procurement of small multi-rotor drones that can carry machine guns and other kinds of weapons. A former Israeli Special Forces veteran and another ex-Israeli military friend are making the drones through their Florida startup, Duke Robotics.
2017-07-07T08:13:34 < dongs> RIP MRSS
2017-07-07T08:20:54 < ReadError> how are you dongs
2017-07-07T08:21:04 < ReadError> any kewl new kickstarter trash
2017-07-07T08:30:10 < dongs> yeah
2017-07-07T08:32:19 < ReadError> zano mk3 ?
2017-07-07T08:32:55 < dongs> quackcopter trash is deader than fuck
2017-07-07T08:34:37 < ReadError> yea scene got pretty gay
2017-07-07T08:34:49 < ReadError> was better when entry barrier was higher
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2017-07-07T08:59:55 < dongs> so no idea on serial terminal wwhich can log timestamps
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2017-07-07T09:11:33 < dongs> found it
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2017-07-07T09:21:23 < ReadError> I used teraterm
2017-07-07T09:21:31 < ReadError> err realterm
2017-07-07T09:21:42 < dongs> it doesnt log per-byte timing info
2017-07-07T09:21:45 < ReadError> can go down to ms
2017-07-07T09:21:54 < ReadError> oh hm
2017-07-07T09:21:58 < dongs> i found what in eeded.
2017-07-07T09:22:49 < ReadError> what did you find
2017-07-07T09:23:30 < dongs> quality german software
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2017-07-07T12:04:35 < Steffann> Hterm, also german, can do timestamps too. Not sure if byte based or msg based
2017-07-07T12:05:03 < Steffann> Or is hterm what you found?
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2017-07-07T12:06:26 < dongs> thats what i found yes
2017-07-07T12:06:28 < dongs> byte based.
2017-07-07T12:08:18 < Steffanx> I like hterm, its simple and has all features i need
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2017-07-07T12:09:42 < dongs> its surprisingly usable for a german software
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2017-07-07T12:34:50 < crt> Hello Laurenceb
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2017-07-07T12:36:33 < Laurenceb> sup
2017-07-07T12:37:06 < Laurenceb> can't spell cuck without U and K
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2017-07-07T12:38:05 < crt> that's right Laurenceb
2017-07-07T12:38:11 < crt> what happened to your great land
2017-07-07T12:43:08 < crt> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d2sPENpO3g
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2017-07-07T12:47:40 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxSRCY5VM6I
2017-07-07T12:47:46 < crt> dr b
2017-07-07T12:49:37 < Laurenceb> I am indeed
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2017-07-07T12:49:55 < crt> do you like it?
2017-07-07T12:49:58 < crt> the last vid i posted
2017-07-07T12:50:09 < crt> it is perfectly representative of my fucking life at this moment
2017-07-07T12:50:11 < crt> friday night
2017-07-07T12:50:59  * Laurenceb just had a jerb interview
2017-07-07T12:51:17 < Laurenceb>  > "what are your project management skillz?"
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2017-07-07T12:51:27 < Laurenceb>  > me: "erm... erm..."
2017-07-07T12:52:01 < Laurenceb> neet 4 life confirmed
2017-07-07T12:54:56 < crt> good work
2017-07-07T12:55:12 < crt> my internship was the most boring time of my life
2017-07-07T12:55:37 < crt> i'd love to answer that question
2017-07-07T12:58:20 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsT1g-d1rBQ
2017-07-07T13:00:13 < Laurenceb> https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/06/solar-powered-emdrive-version-of-space-battleship-yamato.html
2017-07-07T13:00:30 < crt> ofc
2017-07-07T13:01:00 < dongs> ur anus
2017-07-07T13:01:31 < crt> hi dong
2017-07-07T13:06:35 < jpa-> Laurenceb: just explain that erm stands for enterprise resource management and you are good
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2017-07-07T13:08:51 < jpa-> Tectu: how's life in cheese land?
2017-07-07T13:09:03 < Tectu> good, thanks. there?
2017-07-07T13:09:51 < dongs> sup tecTWO
2017-07-07T13:11:04 < crt> tec2
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2017-07-07T13:17:51 < jpa-> Tectu: good, haven't seen any zyps around yet
2017-07-07T13:18:09 < Tectu> better keep looking
2017-07-07T13:20:19 < crt> hmm
2017-07-07T13:20:26 < crt> stroopwafel stock?
2017-07-07T13:33:00 < crt> https://youtu.be/f-IEXwYaF1Y?t=4m49s
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2017-07-07T13:35:38 < crt> Tectu is built like a swiss watch
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2017-07-07T13:50:00 < AndChat|728121> Hey guys
2017-07-07T13:50:05 < dongs> nice nick
2017-07-07T13:50:11 < AndChat|728121> Lol.
2017-07-07T13:50:19 < dongs> more like AndShat
2017-07-07T13:50:29 < AndChat|728121> Wait a sec. Lemme fix that. I'm marttyn
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2017-07-07T13:51:30 < jadew> any relation to tty0?
2017-07-07T13:52:04 < dongs> a prolific blogger
2017-07-07T13:52:19 < dongs> jadew: did you see my luck wiht the rand() bruteforce
2017-07-07T13:52:27 < jadew> no
2017-07-07T13:52:39 < dongs> 937k/1024k, got a hit after switching to linear. actual hit was around 75% into the address space
2017-07-07T13:52:49 < dongs> fking raped
2017-07-07T13:52:52 < jadew> nice
2017-07-07T13:52:57 < Laurenceb> a hit?
2017-07-07T13:52:59 < dongs> not nice
2017-07-07T13:53:15 < dongs> i wanted it to be found in < 25%
2017-07-07T13:53:16 < jadew> well, you were successful, no?
2017-07-07T13:53:18 < dongs> sure
2017-07-07T13:53:19 < Laurenceb> what are you haxoring?
2017-07-07T13:53:27 < dongs> that was implied.
2017-07-07T13:53:34 < jadew> you want to repeat this?
2017-07-07T13:53:35 < dongs> the result was there, just not known where
2017-07-07T13:53:42 < dongs> i will be, i have more data to process
2017-07-07T13:54:23 < dongs> but the method isnt changing, there';s really no way to know where the correct result is
2017-07-07T13:55:35 < crt> ya dun goofed
2017-07-07T13:55:43 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0ba4Nl62PA
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2017-07-07T14:20:20 < karlp> anyone know if long_calls are needed when calling a ram function?
2017-07-07T14:21:10 < crt> expecting me to answer?
2017-07-07T14:21:21 < dongs> not in keil
2017-07-07T14:22:08 < dongs> to make a ramfunction in keil all i had to do was right click .c file, properties, put it into ram segment, rebuild, done
2017-07-07T14:22:15 < dongs> i think it added some veneer or someshit autoamtically
2017-07-07T14:22:19 < dongs> to final build
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2017-07-07T14:27:50 < karlp> sweet, that worked.
2017-07-07T14:28:02 < karlp> just doubled the speed of my bootloader flashing.
2017-07-07T14:34:05 < karlp> oh, hrm, maybe it didn't.  flashed faster, but flashed garbage :)
2017-07-07T14:34:43 < crt> ty
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2017-07-07T15:37:54 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arQYGlVhOqE
2017-07-07T15:39:31 < crt> LOL
2017-07-07T15:41:06 < dongs> 1 hour
2017-07-07T15:41:06 < dongs> no
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2017-07-07T15:42:04 < crt> u wot mate
2017-07-07T15:43:26 < Laurenceb> he is the new chris-chan
2017-07-07T15:43:59 < crt> n
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2017-07-07T15:48:43 < Laurenceb> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1472/88/1472888374136.jpg
2017-07-07T15:49:03 < Laurenceb> its a literal case of history repeating itself
2017-07-07T15:49:26 < karlp> we don't care man
2017-07-07T15:50:44 < crt> http://i.imgur.com/DKZscu0.jpg
2017-07-07T15:51:10 < Laurenceb> literally wott
2017-07-07T15:51:17 < crt> who thinks this book is shit?
2017-07-07T15:51:21 < dongs> that fucking hdd controller
2017-07-07T15:51:24 < dongs> whty
2017-07-07T15:51:28 < crt> yeah nobody
2017-07-07T15:51:31 < Laurenceb> I just copypasta my emc shit
2017-07-07T15:51:32 < crt> ty
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2017-07-07T15:51:57 < dongs> < crt> got my stm32 in my hand, cloning anything made out of sand
2017-07-07T15:51:57 < dongs> < crt> copypaste GPL, alibaba is how i sell
2017-07-07T15:51:57 < dongs> < crt> cracked copy of altium designer, 2 layer boards made in china
2017-07-07T15:51:57 < dongs> < crt> blew up the fcc, counterfeit certificate for emc
2017-07-07T15:51:59 < dongs> stm32-rap.txt
2017-07-07T15:52:05 < crt> lol
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2017-07-07T15:52:20 < Laurenceb> accurate
2017-07-07T15:52:21 < crt> pumper spec
2017-07-07T15:52:25 < dongs> is that in zypsnips yet
2017-07-07T15:52:26 < Steffanx> Bestest crt joke
2017-07-07T15:52:32 < Steffanx> Yes
2017-07-07T15:52:32 < crt> if the only
2017-07-07T15:52:35 < dongs> is it really
2017-07-07T15:53:00 < dongs> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=fcc&type=
2017-07-07T15:54:16 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/crystal-load-wisdom.txt
2017-07-07T15:54:23 < Laurenceb> wut its built into stm32
2017-07-07T15:54:41 < Laurenceb> if you read the app notes its not needed
2017-07-07T15:54:56 < crt> crapp note
2017-07-07T15:54:57 < Laurenceb> discovery board designers confirmed as not reading app notes
2017-07-07T15:55:04 < crt> ^
2017-07-07T15:55:13 < crt> my case
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2017-07-07T15:57:01 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgNOWCtdCKU
2017-07-07T15:57:45 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5t25nxeN5Q
2017-07-07T15:57:48 < crt> fuck yeah
2017-07-07T15:57:56 < Laurenceb> shitposting intensifies
2017-07-07T15:59:20 < crt> 666
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2017-07-07T16:08:02 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPbZTi6GP6U
2017-07-07T16:13:06 < englishman> i wonder how much energy in kWh Chrome consumes every year
2017-07-07T16:13:18 < englishman> possibly one of the worst environmental disasters facing mankind today
2017-07-07T16:15:55 < kakimir> it's slightest fraction of all google operations
2017-07-07T16:16:49 < kakimir> server halls consume like 10% of all electricity
2017-07-07T16:17:33 < jadew> englishman, blame it on shitty js
2017-07-07T16:17:40 < englishman> yes but chrome's wastefulness is distributed
2017-07-07T16:17:59 < jadew> in fact, go a step further and blame it on shitty developers
2017-07-07T16:17:59 < englishman> it's possible the other 90% of all electricity usage is chrome
2017-07-07T16:18:07 < jadew> they're a fucking ecological dissaster
2017-07-07T16:18:22 < englishman> i know right
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2017-07-07T16:18:41 < jadew> *disaster
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2017-07-07T16:20:43 < jadew> is there a quick way of cleaning PCBs after manufacturing?
2017-07-07T16:21:09 < jadew> for example removing the resulting flux after manual sodlering headers
2017-07-07T16:21:43 < jadew> and removing the flux that keeps free balls stuck on the board
2017-07-07T16:30:47 < gjm> ipa and brush
2017-07-07T16:31:59 < jadew> that's not fast tho
2017-07-07T16:32:38 < jadew> I'm thinking about something along the lines of submerging the board into something and that's it
2017-07-07T16:32:51 < jadew> hmm, maybe some ultra sound cleaning thingie
2017-07-07T16:33:12 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/circuit-design/smartphone-pcb-designer-wanted/
2017-07-07T16:33:20 < dongs> I am looking for a freelancer to help me with my project. The skills required are Circuit Design, Micro controller, Smart Phone and 6 Layers PCB Layout. I am happy to pay. I have not provided a detailed description and have not uploaded any files.
2017-07-07T16:33:34 < dongs> 37500 Indian Rupee equals
2017-07-07T16:33:34 < dongs> 580.855 US Dollar
2017-07-07T16:34:44 < jadew> engineering jobs are going to shit too
2017-07-07T16:34:55 < jadew> (because of that)
2017-07-07T16:35:48 < gjm> pajeet
2017-07-07T16:37:50 < kakimir> Is there kickstarter that excludes all developing world?
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2017-07-07T16:49:02 < dongs> pakistarter
2017-07-07T16:49:16 < dongs> do you mean developing or developed
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2017-07-07T17:00:59 < kakimir> I mean bo bullshit
2017-07-07T17:01:01 < kakimir> no
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2017-07-07T17:11:24 < dongs> ADC12_INxx are for channels that can be sampled by both adc1 and adc2 right
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2017-07-07T17:17:56 < dongs> https://www.dektec.com/products/PCIe/DTA-2115B/
2017-07-07T17:17:56 < dongs> nice
2017-07-07T17:17:59 < dongs> i need to expense this
2017-07-07T17:18:55 < vampi-the-frog> they should make pcie scopes
2017-07-07T17:20:37 < Laurenceb> is there a usart->i2c ic made by anyone?
2017-07-07T17:21:01 < vampi-the-frog> there are usart parallel ics
2017-07-07T17:21:05 < vampi-the-frog> 8 bit bus
2017-07-07T17:21:26 < Laurenceb> eww
2017-07-07T17:21:35 < vampi-the-frog> you're spoiled
2017-07-07T17:21:38 < Laurenceb> also I want usart -> i2c not other way around
2017-07-07T17:21:50 < dongs> Laurenceb: just buy the aardvark thing
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2017-07-07T17:22:01 < dongs> https://www.totalphase.com/products/aardvark-i2cspi/
2017-07-07T17:22:03 < vampi-the-frog> just use another stm32
2017-07-07T17:22:10 < Laurenceb> well yes but...
2017-07-07T17:22:19 < dongs> every serious device vendor has i2c scripts for aardvark
2017-07-07T17:22:22 < dongs> like analog etc
2017-07-07T17:22:25 < Laurenceb> wtf
2017-07-07T17:22:27 < dongs> and its a standard shit
2017-07-07T17:22:27 < Laurenceb> whyyyy
2017-07-07T17:22:30 < dongs> because it works
2017-07-07T17:22:34 < dongs> when you need to talk to i2c from computer
2017-07-07T17:22:39 < dongs> and you're billing at $100/hour
2017-07-07T17:22:41 < dongs> thats waht you use
2017-07-07T17:22:44 < Laurenceb> but use tarduino
2017-07-07T17:22:47 < Laurenceb> lul
2017-07-07T17:23:06 < dongs> nobody serious uses tarduino
2017-07-07T17:23:16 < dongs> retarduino doesnt evne have workng i2c
2017-07-07T17:23:19 < Laurenceb> its actually ok for pc to i2c
2017-07-07T17:23:20 < dongs> that Wire shit is a fucking joke
2017-07-07T17:23:21 < Laurenceb> og lol
2017-07-07T17:23:27 < Laurenceb> haha if true
2017-07-07T17:23:29 < dongs> like, no repeat start
2017-07-07T17:23:30 < dongs> and
2017-07-07T17:23:32 < dongs> its buggy
2017-07-07T17:23:38 < dongs> literally buggy, just fails randomly half the time
2017-07-07T17:23:50 < Laurenceb> sounds worse than f1
2017-07-07T17:24:01 < dongs> whats funny is AVR i2c peripheral isnt so bad
2017-07-07T17:24:05 < dongs> its just wire/tarduino is garabge
2017-07-07T17:24:09 < dongs> (no surprise there)
2017-07-07T17:24:28 < Laurenceb> maybe I could use attiny
2017-07-07T17:24:32 < dongs> or not.
2017-07-07T17:24:34 < dongs> k bath time
2017-07-07T17:26:44 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/nIbpn7Q
2017-07-07T17:27:37 < Laurenceb> a fucking eggman
2017-07-07T17:27:44 < Laurenceb> I knew he was the shooter
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2017-07-07T17:30:28 < Laurenceb> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4667038/Microsoft-s-Zo-chatbot-calls-Qu-ran-violent.html
2017-07-07T17:39:53 < englishman> Laurenceb: doesnt ftdi do exactly this
2017-07-07T17:39:57 < englishman> for uart / spi / i2c
2017-07-07T17:40:17 < Laurenceb> ah maybe
2017-07-07T17:40:40 < englishman> FT200XD – Full Speed USB to I2C Bridge in 10 pin DFN package
2017-07-07T17:41:03 < Laurenceb> lel embedded usb
2017-07-07T17:41:06 < Laurenceb> why not i guess
2017-07-07T17:41:14 < englishman> i have a project likle that
2017-07-07T17:41:21 < englishman> cypress usb hub and ftdi on board
2017-07-07T17:41:30 < englishman> lunix controls all
2017-07-07T17:41:36 < englishman> lunix and pydongs scripts
2017-07-07T17:41:53 < Laurenceb> wonder how hard it would be with stm32 as host
2017-07-07T17:42:05 < englishman> fucking amadongs found a courier that doesnt safedrop
2017-07-07T17:42:14 < englishman> wtf is the point of a courier if they do not want to deliver
2017-07-07T17:42:33 < englishman> why would you stm32 -> usb -> i2c
2017-07-07T17:43:51 < Laurenceb> cuz long cables and high datarate
2017-07-07T17:44:04 < englishman> hmm interesting
2017-07-07T17:44:11 < englishman> good case
2017-07-07T17:44:18 < englishman> but really
2017-07-07T17:44:20 < Laurenceb> prob rs485 would be more sane
2017-07-07T17:44:21 < englishman> why use stm32 at all
2017-07-07T17:44:31 < englishman> when you can put an entire lunix computer
2017-07-07T17:44:41 < Laurenceb> >embedded lunix
2017-07-07T17:45:38 < dongs> dingleberrypi
2017-07-07T17:48:07 < aandrew> dongs: you're a keil shill
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2017-07-07T17:48:18 < aandrew> where the fuck do I find the equivalent of a loader/linker file (.ld) in Keil?
2017-07-07T17:48:39 < Laurenceb> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1473/18/1473180385117.png
2017-07-07T17:50:51 < dongs> aandrew: you dont fucking need it
2017-07-07T17:50:55 < dongs> because IT JUST WORKS
2017-07-07T17:51:29 < dongs> anyway, its under linker tab in project properties. called SCATter file
2017-07-07T17:51:59 < englishman> lol why would you fuck around with linker scripts in keil
2017-07-07T17:52:02 < englishman> what a waste of time
2017-07-07T17:52:03 < dongs> ^
2017-07-07T17:52:06 < dongs> thats what i just said
2017-07-07T17:52:10 < englishman> thats a gcc invention
2017-07-07T17:52:24 < englishman> to get around the lack of actual build environment
2017-07-07T17:52:38 < dongs> so much truth being spoken here
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2017-07-07T17:53:10 < Laurenceb> aha
2017-07-07T17:53:11 < Laurenceb> SC18IM700
2017-07-07T17:53:18 < aandrew> a bootloader is written in this keil bullshit and I have to find out where the fuck it expects to load the main app from
2017-07-07T17:53:34 < aandrew> I also have to see hwo the fuck the vector table is handled here, it's not like stm32 where it cna be mapped
2017-07-07T17:53:36 < dongs> aandrew: whatever VTOR is set to
2017-07-07T17:53:37 < dongs> are you a fucking newb?
2017-07-07T17:53:52 < aandrew> "it's not like stm32 where it cna be mapped"
2017-07-07T17:53:59 < dongs> so why would this be in a linker file
2017-07-07T17:54:03 < dongs> its in teh fucking code somewhere
2017-07-07T17:54:07 < dongs> where it jumps off to main
2017-07-07T17:54:08 < aandrew> no the loading address is there
2017-07-07T17:54:11 < dongs> what garbage processor is this
2017-07-07T17:54:13 < dongs> yeah so thats the one
2017-07-07T17:54:14 < aandrew> nordic
2017-07-07T17:54:17 < englishman> what does this have to do with linker scripts
2017-07-07T17:54:24 < dongs> gcc mentality
2017-07-07T17:54:36 < dongs> if it isnt working, check linker sript
2017-07-07T17:54:38 < aandrew> I can read the info out of the keil bullshit project it loads
2017-07-07T17:54:42 < aandrew> nah
2017-07-07T17:54:49 < dongs> i still dont understand teh question
2017-07-07T17:54:52 < dongs> its M0 so there's no vtor
2017-07-07T17:55:07 < englishman> why not check nordic's ample and high quality documentation
2017-07-07T17:55:15 < dongs> when i did thebluetooth dildo
2017-07-07T17:55:17 < dongs> i had no problems
2017-07-07T17:55:19 < englishman> are you currently billing for this time on irc :)
2017-07-07T17:55:21 < aandrew> yes. my app uses interrupts so I need to play nice with the bootloader's IVR
2017-07-07T17:55:21 < dongs> with any of this shit
2017-07-07T17:55:28 < dongs> double-clicked keil.exe
2017-07-07T17:55:31 < dongs> loaded sample project(s)
2017-07-07T17:55:32 < dongs> built
2017-07-07T17:55:32 < dongs> done
2017-07-07T17:55:36 < englishman> same
2017-07-07T17:55:38 < englishman> so easy
2017-07-07T17:55:39 < aandrew> englishman: because this project is done by taiwanese who do things their own way instead of using the stuff that's already out there
2017-07-07T17:55:48 < englishman> yikes
2017-07-07T17:55:56 < dongs> im heading to taiwan for a week tomrorwo :(
2017-07-07T17:56:19 < englishman> did you check into that thing
2017-07-07T17:56:25 < aandrew> nice
2017-07-07T17:56:47 < dongs> of course i didnt, i was too busy trying to catch up with me being gone for 2 weeks. forwarding that email; now
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2017-07-07T17:57:47 < englishman> thx
2017-07-07T17:57:55 < dongs> done
2017-07-07T18:01:53 < dongs> ok going to sleep, got drive + fly tomrorow
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2017-07-07T18:10:26 < karlp> englishman: why _chrome_ specifically? I feel like I missed some context?
2017-07-07T18:10:44 < englishman> my laptop fan spun up because chrome
2017-07-07T18:10:47 < englishman> and it made me wonder
2017-07-07T18:12:40 < karlp> Laurenceb: http://www.cypress.com/documentation/development-kitsboards/psoc-4-cy8ckit-049-4xxx-prototyping-kits is usb-i2c/usb2uart/usb2spi as well, if that's _actually_ what you're trying to do?
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2017-07-07T18:14:46 < karlp> englishman: so not really _chrome_ but more "shitty web auteur"
2017-07-07T18:15:06 < englishman> task manager reports chrome.exe using CPU power, i blame chrome
2017-07-07T18:15:21 < englishman> chrome should not allow webshit to use 80% cpu, period
2017-07-07T18:15:21 < karlp> right, but if you go to anotehr website, it will change => websites,
2017-07-07T18:15:30 < karlp> where do you draw the line?
2017-07-07T18:15:41 < karlp> you visited a website that _wants_ to do something, because _you_ wanted it to
2017-07-07T18:15:45 < karlp> why should the comptuer say no?
2017-07-07T18:15:58 < englishman> i never asked a website to use 80% cpu
2017-07-07T18:16:21 < tpw_rules> it's 2017, that's implied
2017-07-07T18:16:48 < englishman> isnt that what webapps are for, so some serverfarm does the processing
2017-07-07T18:16:55 < englishman> not your laptop and its battery
2017-07-07T18:16:55 < karlp> I'm pretty sure you often actually did.
2017-07-07T18:17:09 < karlp> maybe you didn't ask for the rotating flash gif banner ad to do so,
2017-07-07T18:17:13 < karlp> but.... chrome don't know that.
2017-07-07T18:17:19 < englishman> no flash on any computer i own
2017-07-07T18:17:31 < tpw_rules> chrome is always flash
2017-07-07T18:17:33 < englishman> oh maybe one lunix computer but that's in a VM
2017-07-07T18:17:53 < tpw_rules> chrome solves that problem for you
2017-07-07T18:18:35 < karlp> don't worry, since we're living more and more in a post flash world, ad developers have found new and improved ways of making your cpu use rsources via terrible javascript now!
2017-07-07T18:18:45 < tpw_rules> karlp: or just use chrome, which always has flash
2017-07-07T18:19:36 < englishman> i have no idea what you're talking about
2017-07-07T18:19:45 < englishman> chrome even removed npapi flash
2017-07-07T18:19:52 < tpw_rules> chrome is integrated into flash
2017-07-07T18:19:56 < tpw_rules> or vice versa
2017-07-07T18:20:20 < tpw_rules> https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/enabling-flash-player-chrome.html
2017-07-07T18:21:55 < englishman> lol
2017-07-07T18:22:04 < englishman> at least
2017-07-07T18:22:07 < englishman> its not adobe flash
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2017-07-07T18:22:23 < englishman> and it's disabled
2017-07-07T18:22:29 < englishman> yo eeeeeemeb
2017-07-07T18:22:33 < englishman> thanks for that link the other day
2017-07-07T18:22:41 < englishman> i checked it out, and i'm doing exactly the same thing!
2017-07-07T18:22:46 < englishman> still no idea what's going on
2017-07-07T18:23:28 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzHLDeobw8
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2017-07-07T19:23:33 < jpa-> i bought some stroopwaffels from some dutch dude
2017-07-07T19:23:38 < jpa-> i think it was Steffanx
2017-07-07T19:23:50 < jpa-> long and had wood shoes
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2017-07-07T19:29:50 < Steffanx> I wasnt in finland
2017-07-07T19:30:06 < Steffanx> And i only sell Kanjers
2017-07-07T19:34:22 < Steffanx> or were they freshly made waffles jpa-?
2017-07-07T19:34:31 < Steffanx> only those can beat Kanjers
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2017-07-07T20:54:06 < jpa-> Steffanx: no these were some noname stuff
2017-07-07T20:54:19 < Steffanx> Im sorry then.
2017-07-07T20:54:58 < Steffanx> Still enjoy waffles and get some proper ones after that :P
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2017-07-07T22:18:58 < Fleck> found dongs life time project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o8MDCIlOEk
2017-07-07T22:23:28 < Fleck> hello LeelooMinai :) wb!
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2017-07-07T22:59:19 < Steffanx>  LeelooMinai doesnt read Fleck.
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2017-07-07T23:19:14 < upgrdman> with c headers, is it possible to solve circular dependencies? i have two headers, each with inline functions, and one of them calls an inline fuction from the other header :/
2017-07-07T23:19:25 < upgrdman> gcc shits out errors :(
2017-07-07T23:20:56 < vampi-the-frog> upgrdman: at the top of your header, add:
2017-07-07T23:21:00 < vampi-the-frog> #ifndef FOO_H__
2017-07-07T23:21:03 < vampi-the-frog> #define FOO_H__
2017-07-07T23:21:06 < vampi-the-frog> and at the end
2017-07-07T23:21:07 < vampi-the-frog> #endif
2017-07-07T23:21:11 < upgrdman> ya i have #pragma once in each of them
2017-07-07T23:21:18 < upgrdman> which should be a cleaner way of doing that
2017-07-07T23:21:35 < vampi-the-frog> there's probably something specific to your setup that generates the errors
2017-07-07T23:21:43 < upgrdman> ya, circular deps
2017-07-07T23:21:58 < upgrdman> foo.h #includes bar.h, and bar.h #includes foo.h
2017-07-07T23:22:10 < vampi-the-frog> can you create a simple demo of the error?
2017-07-07T23:22:33 < Steffanx> cant you do a forward declaration of the inline function?
2017-07-07T23:23:03 < upgrdman> ya, was hoping that was some clean way without having to manully write out prototypes
2017-07-07T23:25:40 < vampi-the-frog> can I setup a TIMer to not divide at all? If I set it to 0, it disables it. if I set it to 1, it divides by 2
2017-07-07T23:26:12 < upgrdman> prolly not. just double the timer clock and have it div by 2
2017-07-07T23:26:28 < upgrdman> or half the prescaler
2017-07-07T23:26:44 < vampi-the-frog> the prescaler is already 0
2017-07-07T23:26:48 < upgrdman> err ya :)
2017-07-07T23:26:53 < upgrdman> so just double the clock if possible
2017-07-07T23:26:59 < vampi-the-frog> I'm simply trying to generate a DMA with every external clock cycle
2017-07-07T23:27:12 < upgrdman> exti maybe?
2017-07-07T23:27:15 < vampi-the-frog> so I setup a timer with an ETR pin
2017-07-07T23:27:39 < vampi-the-frog> DMA does not have EXTI as a channel to trigger it
2017-07-07T23:28:38 < vampi-the-frog> one thing I can do is trigger on both edges
2017-07-07T23:28:44 < vampi-the-frog> that will "double" the clock
2017-07-07T23:30:20 < vampi-the-frog> but it won't give me the control on which edge triggers the DMA
2017-07-07T23:30:24 < vampi-the-frog> it will be random
2017-07-07T23:32:29 < vampi-the-frog> the external clock is 3.2MHz
2017-07-07T23:32:48 < vampi-the-frog> I think it's actually higher, cause it comes in bursts and the scope might be averaging
2017-07-07T23:43:46 < ohsix> boop
2017-07-07T23:48:17 < upgrdman> im kinda liking the nucleo dev boards. unpopulated headers are so nice for resting scope probes + gnd springs into.
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2017-07-07T23:56:29 < vampi-the-frog> same for the purple boards
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2017-07-08T00:46:06 < jadew> upgrdman, circular dependencies are not always solved by #pragma once
2017-07-08T00:46:42 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-08T00:46:47 < jadew> that only works if you need declarations, not definitions
2017-07-08T00:46:49 < upgrdman> i know
2017-07-08T00:47:09 < upgrdman> i was just hoping there was like a gcc flag to say "lol, you figure it out."
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2017-07-08T00:48:22 < jadew> I wish there was too, but there are situations where the circular dependency can't be solved, even if gcc was able to figure it out
2017-07-08T00:48:49 < jadew> I think that's why they didn't bother to make it able to figure it out, because as it is, it guards against those situations
2017-07-08T00:49:17 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-08T00:49:39 < upgrdman> i just gave up was like "call this after you call this" instead of having the function do it for you
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2017-07-08T01:28:42 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40536281
2017-07-08T01:28:45 < Laurenceb_> W E W
2017-07-08T01:41:15 < vampi-the-frog> nice beard style, Laurenceb_, who's your barber?
2017-07-08T01:48:21 < Thorn> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEKLMFFV0AAfDyv.jpg:large
2017-07-08T01:50:58 < ohsix> h3h
2017-07-08T01:51:01 < ohsix> freecad works
2017-07-08T01:51:09 < ohsix> it is hard to notice,  but it can be used
2017-07-08T01:52:12 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2017-07-08T01:52:18 < Laurenceb_> of course it works
2017-07-08T01:52:34 < Laurenceb_> its epin, but you'll need to use the terminal a bit
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2017-07-08T01:56:06 < crt> Tpot
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2017-07-08T02:01:01 < vampi-the-frog> okay
2017-07-08T02:01:06 < vampi-the-frog> can I reset a timer with an external pin?
2017-07-08T02:01:43 < vampi-the-frog> cause instead of using the external clock, I'll just replicate it internally, but I'd like to reset the timer from an external clock (a different, slower clock), in order to sync it up
2017-07-08T02:05:29 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: I'm glad you are back
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2017-07-08T02:31:08 < dongs> word
2017-07-08T02:31:19 < dongs> vampi-the-frog: isnt that what ETR pin is for
2017-07-08T02:31:39 < vampi-the-frog> yes aparently
2017-07-08T02:31:52 < vampi-the-frog> except with ETR I could not get full frequency, only half of it
2017-07-08T02:32:32 < dongs> 'full frequency'?
2017-07-08T02:32:39 < vampi-the-frog> so I've tied an external clock to ETR
2017-07-08T02:32:45 < dongs> wut
2017-07-08T02:32:54 < dongs> why not just use.. input capture then
2017-07-08T02:33:01 < vampi-the-frog> all I want is to get a DMA request with every cycle of the external clock
2017-07-08T02:33:09 < dongs> yeah, input capture
2017-07-08T02:33:19 < vampi-the-frog> I've tried using ETR and input capture but I can only get half the clock rate
2017-07-08T02:33:23 < vampi-the-frog> I'm testing with an ISR
2017-07-08T02:33:30 < dongs> how fast is the input
2017-07-08T02:33:35 < vampi-the-frog> about 5MHz
2017-07-08T02:33:44 < vampi-the-frog> it comes in bursts though, but I guess that doesn't matter
2017-07-08T02:33:50 < vampi-the-frog> it averages out to about 3.2MHz
2017-07-08T02:34:18 < vampi-the-frog> http://img.vampi.tech/cd67c418.png
2017-07-08T02:34:22 < vampi-the-frog> it's the CLK signal
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2017-07-08T02:34:38 < dongs> is this i2s
2017-07-08T02:34:44 < vampi-the-frog> I'm trying to sample LRCK and Data with each clock cycle
2017-07-08T02:34:44 < dongs> if so why the fuck not just use i2s peripheral
2017-07-08T02:34:56 < vampi-the-frog> I2S does not support this particular configuration
2017-07-08T02:35:00 < vampi-the-frog> I've tried it
2017-07-08T02:35:07 < dongs> somehow i dont believe it.
2017-07-08T02:35:09 < dongs> paging emeb
2017-07-08T02:35:13 < dongs> he's the i2s master
2017-07-08T02:35:13 < vampi-the-frog> it can only do multiples of 8
2017-07-08T02:35:32 < emeb> wassup dongs
2017-07-08T02:36:04 < vampi-the-frog> emeb: http://img.vampi.tech/cd67c418.png
2017-07-08T02:36:06 < dongs> i'm trying to remember which project i had sampling gpio on a clock edge
2017-07-08T02:36:08 < vampi-the-frog> I'm trying to capture that
2017-07-08T02:38:30 < emeb> bitbang!
2017-07-08T02:38:31 < vampi-the-frog> dongs: that sounds useful
2017-07-08T02:38:40 < vampi-the-frog> emeb: it's 5MHz, not sure if I can bitbang
2017-07-08T02:39:55 < emeb> got an F4 with SAI?
2017-07-08T02:40:00 < emeb> that might handle it
2017-07-08T02:40:08 < vampi-the-frog> I have a 407VGT6
2017-07-08T02:40:14 < emeb> no SAI then
2017-07-08T02:40:43 < emeb> looks like ordinary I2S to me - why won't it work?
2017-07-08T02:41:43 < vampi-the-frog> I think it's 18 bits or something
2017-07-08T02:41:46 < vampi-the-frog> it just doesn't align
2017-07-08T02:41:49 < vampi-the-frog> because of the extra clocks
2017-07-08T02:42:00 < vampi-the-frog> the clock burst does 50 cycles
2017-07-08T02:42:07 < vampi-the-frog> it confuses the I2S thing
2017-07-08T02:42:38 < vampi-the-frog> that's why I'm trying to use DMA to just sample the LRCK and Data lines and then rebuild the data in software
2017-07-08T02:42:52 < emeb> 18 bits isn't std
2017-07-08T02:42:59 < emeb> 16 or 32 only
2017-07-08T02:43:17 < vampi-the-frog> yes
2017-07-08T02:43:43 < vampi-the-frog> I think the SAI thing might have helped, but it's not available
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2017-07-08T02:45:43 < dongs> donged out
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2017-07-08T02:46:17 < vampi-the-frog> sorry, I had a kernel panic
2017-07-08T02:46:27 < dongs> lmao, lunix problems
2017-07-08T02:47:07 < vampi-the-frog> so any idea how I can sample with DMA on every clock rising edge or something?
2017-07-08T02:48:57 < emeb> was counting clocks on that screencap - looks like it's 24 bits
2017-07-08T02:49:05 < emeb> and SPI/I2S should support 24
2017-07-08T02:51:32 < vampi-the-frog> except it's 25 bits if anything
2017-07-08T02:51:43 < vampi-the-frog> it's 50 pulses
2017-07-08T02:51:48 < emeb> ah well
2017-07-08T02:52:00 < emeb> obi-one error
2017-07-08T02:55:00 < vampi-the-frog> dongs: have you found anything?
2017-07-08T02:55:26 < dongs> nope.. too many shitty projects around
2017-07-08T02:56:48 < emeb> how much data do you need to capture - continuous?
2017-07-08T02:57:16 < vampi-the-frog> it's the input to a DAC, so it's "continuous" in that regard
2017-07-08T02:57:27 < vampi-the-frog> I am streaming it through USB later on
2017-07-08T02:57:43 < vampi-the-frog> I'm adding an USB port to an old Roland synthesizer
2017-07-08T03:00:02 < emeb> heh
2017-07-08T03:00:11 < emeb> how about using DCMI?
2017-07-08T03:00:17 < dongs> sounds like a job for a simple CPLD
2017-07-08T03:00:19 < emeb> that's got a raw mode with DMA
2017-07-08T03:00:31 < dongs> to fix up the bits into supported i2s
2017-07-08T03:00:37 < vampi-the-frog> I don't want to add any external stuff
2017-07-08T03:01:16 < emeb> why does it have to be a 407?
2017-07-08T03:03:01 < vampi-the-frog> cause that's all I have atm and I'd like to wrap up this project
2017-07-08T03:11:05 < upgrdman> anyone know if f429 hsi is good enough to do OTG FS 48MHz?
2017-07-08T03:11:53 < emeb> doubt it
2017-07-08T03:13:00 < upgrdman> what happens if its not good enough. random usb packet corruption? or completely not work?
2017-07-08T03:13:33 < emeb> seriously - take a look at the DCMI - it's clocked & has DMA and 8-bit raw input mode.
2017-07-08T03:15:24 < emeb> probably lots of bad packets
2017-07-08T03:16:32 < vampi-the-frog> I thought for USB HS, you need an external chip?
2017-07-08T03:16:37 < vampi-the-frog> ULPI or something
2017-07-08T03:17:20 < upgrdman> vampi-the-frog, with f429, fs has internal phy, hs needs external phy
2017-07-08T03:17:34 < upgrdman> but ya, the hsi prolly isnt good enough
2017-07-08T03:28:58 < vampi-the-frog> http://ix.io/ymU
2017-07-08T03:29:00 < vampi-the-frog> here's my code
2017-07-08T03:29:37 < vampi-the-frog> I've tied  the clock to PE7 and PE11
2017-07-08T03:31:11 < vampi-the-frog> PE7 - TIM1_ETR
2017-07-08T03:31:16 < vampi-the-frog> PE11 - TIM1_CH2
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2017-07-08T04:05:20 < branjb> !wz phoenix
2017-07-08T04:05:22 < dieforir1> [Phoenix, Arizona] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 45.2°C.
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2017-07-08T04:33:31 < englishman> lol
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2017-07-08T04:36:59 < jadew> and I thought my board was hot
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2017-07-08T05:01:58 < Getty> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RLT2sBXNI0
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2017-07-08T05:26:42 < upgrdman> supposedly this is real. liquid crystal clothing   http://i.imgur.com/0mzsdQg.gifv
2017-07-08T05:27:58 < branjb> i've used plastic like that at work; normally opaque, put 120v on it and it becomes transparant
2017-07-08T05:43:59 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/kTi6L hows this looking
2017-07-08T05:44:56 < Rob235> the middle bearing is going to jut out more and the bearing on the servo is going to be connected to it
2017-07-08T06:00:50 < jadew> https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/03/06/206212/university-of-california-berkeley-to-delete-publicly-available-educational-content
2017-07-08T06:01:23 < jadew> I now wish I didn't put off watching some of those courses
2017-07-08T06:01:30 < jadew> "what can possibly happen?"
2017-07-08T06:02:34 < jadew> apparently two guys from another university sued them because the videos don't have captions, so they're not accessible to the blind
2017-07-08T06:02:49 < jadew> so UC Berkeley was forced to remove them all...
2017-07-08T06:06:45 < jadew> might be about deaf people tho, not entirely sure
2017-07-08T06:07:05 < jadew> still weird that they'd kill the whole thing because a handful of people can't consume the content
2017-07-08T06:07:46 < jadew> "Approximately half the videos did not provide audio description or any other alternative format for the visual information (graphs, charts, animations, or items on the chalkboard) contained in the videos. For example, in one video lecture, a professor pointed to and talked about an image and its structure without describing the image, making it inaccessible to individuals with vision disabilities."
2017-07-08T06:08:23 < Rob235> garbage
2017-07-08T06:08:27 < Rob235> thats terrible
2017-07-08T06:09:00 < jadew> that snippet is from the department of justice's rulling
2017-07-08T06:09:08 < Rob235> I hope none of the courses I signed up for are UC berkeley
2017-07-08T06:09:08 < jadew> it's insane
2017-07-08T06:09:39 < Rob235> I just sign up and use edx-dl or whatever to download them to watch at another time
2017-07-08T06:10:03 < jadew> where do you sign up for them?
2017-07-08T06:10:29 < jadew> I used to watch them on youtube or get them straight from their website
2017-07-08T06:11:28 < Rob235> https://courses.edx.org I believe
2017-07-08T06:11:46 < jadew> thanks
2017-07-08T06:11:53 < Rob235> you can sign up and choose to audit the courses so that you dont have to pay and dont get the certificate
2017-07-08T06:12:00 < jadew> they don't have all the courses there
2017-07-08T06:12:35 < Rob235> no probably not but there is a lot available from lots of universities
2017-07-08T06:13:34 < Rob235> looks like 43 courses from uc berkeley
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2017-07-08T07:08:59 < englishman> rip, sync http://i.imgur.com/4fRq4Te.jpg
2017-07-08T07:11:11 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek_TVMqGRgk
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2017-07-08T07:38:00 < jadew> damn nutjobs, I'm looking for microwave protective glasses and I'm finding tinfoil hats and underwear
2017-07-08T07:39:46 < jadew> I wonder if they exist and if they do, how grounding is done
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2017-07-08T07:49:37 < upgrdman> jadew, wtf's a microwave protective glasses
2017-07-08T07:49:45 < upgrdman> the glass window on a mic oven?
2017-07-08T07:50:20 < jadew> no, I'm looking for actual goggles that protect against microwave
2017-07-08T07:51:20 < upgrdman> uh, if your eyes are receiving signif amount of microwaves, wouldnt you be worried about the rest of your face and body?
2017-07-08T07:51:41 < englishman> Fitness-tracking company Jawbone, once worth $3 billion, is shutting down and liquidating its assets
2017-07-08T07:51:42 < englishman> lol
2017-07-08T07:51:52 < jadew> it has no effect on the rest of the body
2017-07-08T07:51:56 < jadew> at worst you get a burn
2017-07-08T07:52:28 < jadew> needless to say tho, a burn in your eye is bad
2017-07-08T07:55:12 < branjb> lol
2017-07-08T07:55:26 < branjb> rip jawbone
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2017-07-08T08:29:30 < englishman> Headspace, an app for listening to recorded meditation sessions, is valued at $250 million
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2017-07-08T09:27:06 < jpa-> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/gg463179.aspx   hmph the download button seems to download some totally wrong pcie document instead of the descriptor spec
2017-07-08T09:52:34 < ohsix> sup
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2017-07-08T10:46:07 < ohsix> agh
2017-07-08T10:46:33 < ohsix> holding a key to turn x/y movements of the mouse into x/y scroll events would be really handy
2017-07-08T11:27:39 < upgrdman> ohsix, like middle-click-and-drag?
2017-07-08T11:28:14 < upgrdman> or right-click-and-drag is some programs
2017-07-08T11:31:06 < ohsix> nah so i can scroll/pan by moving the mouse, not with wheels
2017-07-08T11:31:58 < upgrdman> ya exactly
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2017-07-08T11:33:45 < ohsix> guess it would be analagous to 2 finger scrolling on touchpads, except you hold a finger on the keyboard near your left hand
2017-07-08T11:33:59 < crt> what
2017-07-08T11:34:45 < jpa-> ohsix: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/101867/make-mouse-movements-scroll-when-the-middle-button-is-held-down
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2017-07-08T11:36:02 < jpa-> of course it is totally crappy when it transforms the smooth movement to discrete clicks
2017-07-08T11:36:05 < crt> ok gnome
2017-07-08T11:36:18 < jpa-> that answer is really generic xorg
2017-07-08T11:36:26 < crt> hmm
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2017-07-08T11:38:39 < crt> lol @ wayland http://wayland.freedesktop.org | 1.13.0/2.0.0 released: http://wayland.freedesktop.org/releases.html | Please do not argue about server-side vs. client-side decorations. It's settled and won't change.
2017-07-08T11:40:20 < ohsix> jpa-: ya i even knew how to do that, but the trackball in question doesn't even have a wheel
2017-07-08T11:41:06 < ohsix> oh wait wat
2017-07-08T11:41:13 < ohsix> did not know about evdev wheel emulation tho
2017-07-08T11:42:04 < ohsix> using another input device for the button to shift the meaning of the axis means blocking events and reinjecting them based on key state
2017-07-08T11:47:32 < scrotal_bonus> hi
2017-07-08T11:47:37 < scrotal_bonus> i have a new DIY project i wanna do
2017-07-08T11:47:38 < scrotal_bonus> https://www.nophoto.com/
2017-07-08T11:47:51 < scrotal_bonus> can make from any dev board, doesnt have to be stm32
2017-07-08T11:48:02 < scrotal_bonus> IR blasters, WS2812, and IR sensor
2017-07-08T11:48:12 < scrotal_bonus> what does everyone think
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2017-07-08T12:42:09 < jpa-> ohsix: or just run a script based on key state.. not like a typical pc nowadays will have many milliseconds latency in that
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2017-07-08T12:44:43 < jpa-> scrotal_bonus: doesn't that only work at nighttime? atleast around here i don't think the cameras use a flash at daytime
2017-07-08T12:47:09 < jpa-> (and at nighttime the flash is very much visible, ie. it is not ir-only)
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2017-07-08T12:59:37 < scrotal_bonus> jpa-: it uses both
2017-07-08T12:59:41 < scrotal_bonus> in daytime it uses IR
2017-07-08T12:59:51 < scrotal_bonus> it says so on the nophoto.com seite
2017-07-08T13:00:08 < jpa-> sure, but what does that help if the camera doesn't use ir?
2017-07-08T13:02:28 < scrotal_bonus> it uses its own xenon flash
2017-07-08T13:02:30 < scrotal_bonus> for visible
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2017-07-08T13:04:31 < jpa-> eh, it doesn't know to flash if the camera doesn't flash, and the camera doesn't need to flash if it is bright enough outside 
2017-07-08T13:04:38 < Steffanx> i believe in this country they moved to ir only, but i might be wrong
2017-07-08T13:04:43 < Steffanx> never been flashed :)
2017-07-08T13:05:29 < jpa-> stm32flash steffanx.bin
2017-07-08T13:05:57 < Steffanx> is that texane? You still use that?
2017-07-08T13:06:22 < jpa-> not really
2017-07-08T13:06:37 < jpa-> but openocd command line is too long for jokes
2017-07-08T13:07:04 < Steffanx> Btw, i totally forgot to stalk you ~1 month ago and celebrate juniors birthday. Isnt that bad?
2017-07-08T13:07:21 < Steffanx> Should've sent read waffles
2017-07-08T13:08:38 < jpa-> i'll forgive
2017-07-08T13:10:51 < Steffanx> Did zyp stalk you yet?
2017-07-08T13:13:31 < jpa-> nope, haven't heard about him
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2017-07-08T14:07:46 < crt> wafels
2017-07-08T14:07:54 < crt> Sounds good to me
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2017-07-08T14:47:04 < crt> https://youtu.be/p4FZNaSiAcQ
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2017-07-08T15:31:14 < vampi-the-frog> hi
2017-07-08T15:38:55 < vampi-the-frog> I've managed to get the DMA to read along with the external clock
2017-07-08T15:39:08 < vampi-the-frog> but now I want to align the clock to the LRCK input
2017-07-08T15:39:19 < vampi-the-frog> so I'm trying to get reset mode to work
2017-07-08T15:39:24 < vampi-the-frog> or trigger mode, I'm not sure which
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2017-07-08T16:03:21 < Laurenceb_> the sun travels in a circular path over our heads approximately 4000 miles overhead, and is an estimated 30 miles in diameter. hot spots and specular rays prove the sun is small and close, not big and far. what we interpret as the "moon" is about the same size and altitude. there exists also a dark sun aka dark star known as "set" which occasionally passes in front of each causing what we interpret as "eclipses".
2017-07-08T16:09:04 < BrainDamage> for Laurenceb_: https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/883356049738256385?s=09
2017-07-08T16:16:51 < Laurenceb_> also, emdrive is real
2017-07-08T16:17:26 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2017-07-08T16:17:34 < Laurenceb_> weaponise autism as a chant
2017-07-08T16:17:50 < Steffanx> How are you LoRanceb_?
2017-07-08T16:19:03 < Laurenceb_>  Replying to @JackSmithIV
2017-07-08T16:19:03 < Laurenceb_> this is how mass murderers are born.
2017-07-08T16:19:05 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-07-08T16:22:16 < Steffanx> Yikes. Plugin some random USB power adapter in wall socket, pc turns of and wont turn on anymore. Wut :S
2017-07-08T16:22:24 < Steffanx> Off*
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2017-07-08T16:27:05 < Laurenceb_>  random USB power adapter
2017-07-08T16:27:10 < Laurenceb_> found your problem
2017-07-08T16:27:18 < Laurenceb_>  this is how mass murderers are born.
2017-07-08T16:27:33 < Steffanx> not so random, htc random
2017-07-08T16:31:16 < Steffanx> but the issue has been resolved, was kinda a coincidence i guess
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2017-07-08T16:33:45 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redd.it/sxn8ruomv98z.jpg
2017-07-08T16:33:56 < Laurenceb_> I'd be scared if there was a black guy in the house tbh
2017-07-08T16:35:25 < kakimir> scareds of multitalents
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2017-07-08T16:39:32 < invzim> anyone tried USB DFU with crystal-less usb ,like stm32f0x2?
2017-07-08T16:40:59 < Laurenceb_> not me
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2017-07-08T16:54:57 < vampi-the-frog> invzim: that sounds very cheap but also challenging
2017-07-08T16:55:10 < vampi-the-frog> oh and I didn't know F0 can do USB
2017-07-08T17:01:41 < Steffanx> it can even so crystal-less usb vampi-the-frog ;)
2017-07-08T17:06:05 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: are people ever scared of you?
2017-07-08T17:07:58 < Steffanx> in real life he is a sweet guy like you and me
2017-07-08T17:08:36 < kakimir> I know
2017-07-08T17:10:40 < englishman> invzim: works gr8
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2017-07-08T17:35:10 < englishman> found a gun accessory for R2COM http://i.imgur.com/rOv2C1b.jpg
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2017-07-08T17:39:24 < invzim> englishman: cool, happen to have tested it with 115200 baud usart too?
2017-07-08T17:39:58 < englishman> as a matter of fact yes
2017-07-08T17:40:03 < englishman> but that is unrelated to udb dfu
2017-07-08T17:40:22 < invzim> I know - just want to avoid going down rabbit holes if I can
2017-07-08T17:40:36 < englishman> st's internal oscillator is pretty good
2017-07-08T17:40:53 < englishman> i didn't get crazy with temperatures or anything
2017-07-08T17:41:13 < vampirefrog> doesn't the oscillator sync up with the USB bus?
2017-07-08T17:41:36 < invzim> intuitively, if it can do usb it should do usart too, but you never know
2017-07-08T17:41:38 < englishman> for the parts with xtal-less usb, yes
2017-07-08T17:41:52 < englishman> no, the HSI48 is clocked from host usb only
2017-07-08T17:41:58 < englishman> it isn't used for PCLK
2017-07-08T17:42:11 < vampirefrog> I wonder what the price is
2017-07-08T17:42:17 < vampirefrog> for a 48 pin package
2017-07-08T17:42:29 < englishman> f072 was <$1
2017-07-08T17:43:13 < englishman> actually i take that back, HSI48 could be used for PCLK etc. according to cube, however it requires host usb
2017-07-08T17:43:48 < vampirefrog> yeah it's around a dollar
2017-07-08T17:43:51 < englishman> f042 was around the same iirc. and comes in larger pitch avr-style package
2017-07-08T17:47:43 < Steffanx> i think he is more into http://www.glamguns.com/ style guns englishman
2017-07-08T17:48:13 < Steffanx> and accesories
2017-07-08T17:48:16 < emeryth> englishman: no, you don't need USB to use HSI48
2017-07-08T17:48:16 < Steffanx> +s
2017-07-08T17:48:26 < englishman> http://www.glamguns.com/ladydi.html that is a steal
2017-07-08T17:48:27 < emeryth> it will simply be less accurate
2017-07-08T17:48:33 < englishman> o really
2017-07-08T17:48:39 < englishman> interesting
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2017-07-08T18:13:03 < kakimir> fluffy clouds
2017-07-08T18:14:10 < kakimir> how is hot in my favourite north-america englishman?
2017-07-08T18:14:31 < englishman> !wz quebec, canada
2017-07-08T18:14:33 < dieforirc> [Quebec, Canada] Overcast. Temp is 22.7°C. WSW wind: 6.3 kph. Humidity: 84%.
2017-07-08T18:14:53 < englishman>  nice day, going to hike
2017-07-08T18:16:23 < kakimir> We have interlocked weather
2017-07-08T18:16:36 < kakimir> !wz efku
2017-07-08T18:16:40 < dieforirc> [EFKU, Finland] Clear. Temp is 17°C. ESE wind: 13 kph.
2017-07-08T18:16:43 < kakimir> oh
2017-07-08T18:18:54 < kakimir> !wz efra
2017-07-08T18:18:55 < dieforirc> [EFRA, Finland] Clear. Temp is 18.8°C. East wind: 14.8 kph.
2017-07-08T18:19:12 < kakimir> Closer
2017-07-08T18:20:30 < Steffanx> !wz kakiland
2017-07-08T18:20:30 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-07-08T18:29:37 < englishman> will have a bonfire tonight but i am unsure how to start it
2017-07-08T18:36:28 < Steffanx> wut?
2017-07-08T18:39:55 < Steffanx> with fire.. englishman?
2017-07-08T18:40:03 < englishman> yes but how
2017-07-08T18:41:25 < Steffanx> Gasoline tends to work well
2017-07-08T18:41:32 < Steffanx> dont forget to record a video
2017-07-08T18:42:27 < englishman> yes last year i wrapped cotton and steel wool around an arrow and shot it into the bonfire that had been doused with 5 gallons of gas
2017-07-08T18:42:49 < Steffanx> hehe
2017-07-08T18:43:14 < englishman> i wanted black powder and fuse for this year but it's pretty hard to get, will have to save that for next year
2017-07-08T18:43:37 < englishman> no license required or anything it's just rare
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2017-07-08T18:44:16 < Steffanx> make it stm32 powered.
2017-07-08T18:44:46 < Steffanx> dont forget lora.
2017-07-08T18:45:19 < Steffanx> make it burn steel wool or something.
2017-07-08T18:47:37 < Steffanx> dont you have some explosive rounds englishman?
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2017-07-08T18:48:52 < englishman> no... i can get tannerite, but that's actually an explosive and rather dangerous
2017-07-08T18:49:24 < englishman> maybe a catapult
2017-07-08T18:49:55 < englishman> just some 3sec fuse and gasoline would have been great
2017-07-08T18:51:17 < Steffanx> just start a small fire and throw in the stuff you want to burn
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2017-07-08T20:51:44 < daey> anyone here using linux and a nucleo board?
2017-07-08T20:52:38 < daey> im trying to debug an issue with the virtual com-port. the port shows up as /dev/ttyACM0. but it vanishes from time to time, and doesnt work
2017-07-08T20:55:27 < vampirefrog> daey: open a terminal and run dmesg -w
2017-07-08T20:56:10 < vampirefrog> daey: if this is your USB code, you're probably locking up somewhere and not servicing the usb poll routie
2017-07-08T20:56:12 < vampirefrog> routine*
2017-07-08T20:56:30 < vampirefrog> and by servicing I mean calling it every 1ms at least
2017-07-08T20:56:45 < daey> vampirefrog: no its not my code. and its certainly not an arm issue but pc linux related. i just have to start somewhere
2017-07-08T20:57:11 < daey> i.e. the board works 100% fine when its connected to an raspberry
2017-07-08T20:57:25 < daey> [ 9105.885760] cdc_acm 3-2:1.2: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
2017-07-08T20:57:25 < daey> [12942.536605] cdc_acm 3-2:1.2: failed to set dtr/rts
2017-07-08T20:57:30 < daey> that looks related
2017-07-08T20:57:52 < vampirefrog> yes but failing to set dtr/rts doesn't sound fatal to me
2017-07-08T20:59:00 < upgrdman> lol arabs  http://i.imgur.com/sKz8maY.gifv
2017-07-08T21:00:20 < vampirefrog> fun
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2017-07-08T21:50:32 < vampirefrog> okay
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2017-07-08T22:22:05 < Steffanx> yes vampirefrog
2017-07-08T22:22:36 < vampirefrog> I got my DMA thing to work
2017-07-08T22:22:45 < vampirefrog> it's synced up as well
2017-07-08T22:22:49 < vampirefrog> proud of it
2017-07-08T22:29:50 < Steffanx> im proud of you too.
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2017-07-08T22:44:51 < englishman> \0/
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2017-07-08T23:35:46 < Steffanx> what does your dma thing do, or the entire thing do vampirefrog?
2017-07-08T23:36:05 < vampirefrog> I'm fitting an old Roland GR-1 synth with an USB port
2017-07-08T23:36:11 < vampirefrog> so the DMA thing captures the DAC input
2017-07-08T23:36:27 < vampirefrog> and it will also do MIDI
2017-07-08T23:37:01 < Steffanx> oh ancient stuff :)
2017-07-08T23:37:10 < vampirefrog> yes and I have several of them
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2017-07-09T00:53:20 < kakimir> hello dudes
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2017-07-09T01:24:52 < kakimir> and potentially unknown genders
2017-07-09T01:25:14 < vampirefrog> it's a redwood forest of penises
2017-07-09T01:25:28 < vampirefrog> just a flop flop floppin all around your face
2017-07-09T01:25:32 < kakimir> something is wrong with mine
2017-07-09T01:25:43 < vampirefrog> with your face?
2017-07-09T01:25:46 < kakimir> I think I need to go to doctor
2017-07-09T01:26:26 < vampirefrog> alright
2017-07-09T01:26:31 < vampirefrog> get your pants off, let me have a look
2017-07-09T01:31:06 < kakimir> are you kek?
2017-07-09T01:33:39 < kakimir> will you rubb some lotion to it to make it better?
2017-07-09T01:34:08 < vampirefrog> well if it has germs on it I'll just rub some alcohol on it
2017-07-09T01:34:11 < vampirefrog> especially the head
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2017-07-09T01:36:11 < kakimir> hmm interesting
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2017-07-09T02:33:26 < Laurenceb_> anyone here used sdio on F1  ?
2017-07-09T02:33:40  * Laurenceb_ is thinking of using https://github.com/kbiva/stm32f103_libs/blob/master/lib_SD_SDIO/src/stm3210e_eval_sdio_sd.c
2017-07-09T02:34:10 < Laurenceb_> I'd be interested to hear how fast it is
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2017-07-09T07:33:57 < upgrdman> not much pumping going on today/tonight :/
2017-07-09T07:37:47 < tpw_rules> speak for yourself
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2017-07-09T08:42:04 < dongs> sup doges
2017-07-09T08:42:06 < dongs> dickstarting on a sunday
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2017-07-09T09:46:22 < crt> Yeah
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2017-07-09T09:56:07 < dongs>  what hte fuck
2017-07-09T09:58:19 < crt> Yeah
2017-07-09T09:59:33 < crt> Bit like that
2017-07-09T10:04:47 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/J35POs32/IMG_0418.PNG
2017-07-09T10:05:13 < crt> Yep it's real
2017-07-09T10:05:23 < crt> Eevblog fans
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2017-07-09T10:59:53 < crt> https://youtu.be/QxwGTgZHdsM
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2017-07-09T11:06:34 < dongs> oh this is a good one
2017-07-09T11:06:40 < dongs> i was using PA1 as USART2_DE
2017-07-09T11:06:50 < dongs> in previous hardware version, there was some adc inputs around that area
2017-07-09T11:07:07 < dongs> for some reason when I was writing adc driver for rev1, i fatfingered GPIO_Pin_xx to wrong numbers
2017-07-09T11:07:56 < dongs> and adc init was afer usart, so it would clear that alternate mode ;(
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2017-07-09T11:13:19 < crt> Oh well least you fixed it without blaming everything else
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2017-07-09T11:59:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/itSHyDC.jpg
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2017-07-09T12:20:46 < Steffanx> Random pic or when you see it you shit bricks dongs?
2017-07-09T12:21:01 < dongs> yes
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2017-07-09T14:19:02 < invzim> stm has rs485 stuff that controls the DE/RE without messing with checking the send/receive fifo buffer?
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2017-07-09T16:16:32 < kakimir> !wz efra
2017-07-09T16:16:33 < dieforirc> [EFRA, Finland] Clear. Temp is 23.4°C. SSW wind: 11.1 kph.
2017-07-09T16:17:15 < Fleck> !wz ventspils
2017-07-09T16:17:16 < dieforirc> [Ventspils, Latvia] Overcast. Temp is 19.6°C. South wind: 13.0 kph. Humidity: 83%.
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2017-07-09T16:19:32 < englishman> !wz taipei
2017-07-09T16:19:33 < dieforirc> [Taipei, Taiwan] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 28°C but feels like 34°C. East wind: 7 kph. Humidity: 89%.
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2017-07-09T17:06:35 < Steffanx> !wz somewhere
2017-07-09T17:06:35 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
2017-07-09T17:16:47 < Laurenceb_> anyone here used sdio on F1  ?
2017-07-09T17:16:50 < Laurenceb_> I'd be interested to hear how fast it is
2017-07-09T17:18:36 < Thorn> !wz LPK
2017-07-09T17:18:37 < dieforirc> Unable to locate query.
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2017-07-09T17:24:38 < kakimir> !wz helsinki
2017-07-09T17:24:39 < dieforirc> [Helsinki, Finland] Clear. Temp is 21°C. SW wind: 13 kph.
2017-07-09T17:40:47 < Steffanx> How's kakiland kakimir?
2017-07-09T17:41:27 < Steffanx> You fellow finlander win F1 this time, in case you dont care.
2017-07-09T17:41:31 < Steffanx> *your
2017-07-09T17:41:35 < Steffanx> *won
2017-07-09T17:41:38 < Steffanx> damn english
2017-07-09T17:42:22 < englishman> what did i do now
2017-07-09T17:42:44 < kakimir> bottas
2017-07-09T17:42:47 < kakimir> ?
2017-07-09T17:42:50 < englishman> whoa not even raikkonen
2017-07-09T17:43:02 < kakimir> kimi is chillin
2017-07-09T17:43:23 < englishman> always
2017-07-09T17:44:57 < Steffanx> kimi should re-retire
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2017-07-09T17:49:58 < dongs> sup doges
2017-07-09T17:50:15 < dongs> just got back from walking outside
2017-07-09T17:50:20 < dongs> it is filthy in taipei
2017-07-09T17:50:23 < dongs> fucking hot ahd humid
2017-07-09T17:50:38 < dongs>  < dieforirc> [Taipei, Taiwan] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 28▒C but feels like 34▒C. East wind: 7 kph. Humidity: 89%.
2017-07-09T17:50:41 < dongs> that sounds about right
2017-07-09T17:51:05 < englishman> does taiwan have those little tricycle cabs, the tuktuks
2017-07-09T17:51:40 < dongs> donno it was too dar
2017-07-09T17:52:29 < Steffanx> dark? How can it be too dark? Isnt it all disco lightning there?
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2017-07-09T17:55:56 < dongs> i must have been walking around the ghetto
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2017-07-09T21:46:34 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/vicRO
2017-07-09T21:46:45 < Rob235> much better than the first version
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2017-07-09T22:41:52 < branjb> what's in that nvidia pic, i don't see anything
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2017-07-09T23:02:20 < Steffanx> just random pic branjb
2017-07-09T23:02:24 < branjb> lol
2017-07-09T23:02:36 < englishman> No. 8, Jihu Road, Neihu District, Taipei City, Taiwan
2017-07-09T23:02:37 < branjb> i spent at least 5 minutes looking for the "when you see it" part
2017-07-09T23:04:59 < Steffanx> hah
2017-07-09T23:06:48 < upgrdman> englishman, you going to taiwan now?
2017-07-09T23:07:08 < englishman> hope not
2017-07-09T23:07:48 < upgrdman> it'll be hot and humis as fuck
2017-07-09T23:07:50 < upgrdman> humid
2017-07-09T23:08:40 < branjb> I have too many unfinished projects that I'm bored of
2017-07-09T23:09:06 < upgrdman> pro tip: call it a learning experience and label it "finished"
2017-07-09T23:09:35 < branjb> and what, toss it out?  move it to a corner of the garage and never touch it again?
2017-07-09T23:09:49 < upgrdman> i have a bin in my closet of "finished" projects
2017-07-09T23:09:54 < branjb> lol
2017-07-09T23:09:59 < upgrdman> and i canabilize them when i need a part
2017-07-09T23:10:42 < zyp> jpa-, sup?
2017-07-09T23:11:00 < upgrdman> induction heater, tesla coil, segway-rev1, 2.4g spec an, etc.
2017-07-09T23:11:40 < zyp> jpa-, thinking about dropping by tomorrow, that a good time?
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2017-07-09T23:13:45 < englishman> big gay sauna party! \0/
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2017-07-09T23:14:10 < upgrdman> englishbro must have really short arms and a really long head
2017-07-09T23:14:17 < upgrdman> \o/
2017-07-09T23:14:33 < upgrdman> or maybe he just raised his elbows?
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2017-07-10T00:12:55 < kakimir> sello hexuals
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2017-07-10T00:20:58 < ohsix> bluh
2017-07-10T00:21:31 < ohsix> a joke i thought was so dumb i kept it as a draft until i posted it at 3 in the morning and it's gotten more attention than anything else in the past month
2017-07-10T00:21:54 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhKm_SdHsLs encore last summer
2017-07-10T00:25:54 < kakimir> prydz has it
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2017-07-10T01:17:28 < englishman> solid track kaks
2017-07-10T01:17:31 < englishman> new yotto
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2017-07-10T02:21:40 < kakimir> heard first time on radio yotto some 3weeks ago
2017-07-10T02:27:19 < Laurenceb_> oh shit
2017-07-10T02:27:24 < Laurenceb_>  /r/derby is a thing
2017-07-10T02:28:39 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R24YSTApvxU
2017-07-10T02:28:42 < Laurenceb_> looks accurate
2017-07-10T02:39:53 < kakimir> world is ruined
2017-07-10T02:44:14 < Laurenceb_> http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1499621034507.gif
2017-07-10T02:46:32 < branjb> i just talked to someone irl with a CS degree who didn't know what a pointer was
2017-07-10T02:46:40 < branjb> is computer science the new gender studies?
2017-07-10T02:46:48 < tpw_rules> it's cause of js
2017-07-10T02:46:58 < tpw_rules> brendan eich needs to die
2017-07-10T02:47:30 < Laurenceb_> js is cancer
2017-07-10T02:47:35 < branjb> brendan eich looks like the CEO of hooli
2017-07-10T02:47:46 < tpw_rules> js is why 2017 happened
2017-07-10T02:54:05 < aandrew> branjb: computer science was never about computing
2017-07-10T02:54:25 < aandrew> everyone I've ever known who was in/through CS told me it was more about math than anything else
2017-07-10T02:54:33 < tpw_rules> that's also true
2017-07-10T02:54:37 < tpw_rules> but still it's js's fault
2017-07-10T02:54:55 < aandrew> and pointers are a fairly obscure part of computing (which absolutely baffles me as to why)
2017-07-10T02:55:21 < branjb> how is CS about math when the highest level math class you have to take for a CS degree is calc 1?
2017-07-10T02:56:04 < branjb> from what I got, this guys CS degree/program was all about php, web design, ~full stack development~, and memeology
2017-07-10T02:57:04 < branjb> just blows my mind that someone can have a computer science degree and not know what a memory address actually is lol
2017-07-10T02:58:11 < tpw_rules> they get into the really gross parts of math
2017-07-10T02:58:13 < tpw_rules> like discrete math
2017-07-10T02:58:15 < tpw_rules> fuuuuuck that shit
2017-07-10T03:03:49 < tpw_rules> ∀x y'all: fuck(x)
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2017-07-10T03:31:04 < upgrdman> branjb, i got a bachelors in cs a few years ago. at my uni: for math you need calc1/calc2/linAlg, we did zero web dev, but just java and cpp. mostly java. we were taught about pointers but it was something you needed to "know" for one of the exams. kinda sad. only low-level we did was some 8051 asm, and a little verilog.
2017-07-10T03:31:43 < upgrdman> but we had an entire class on compiler design which is ~useless
2017-07-10T03:32:32 < upgrdman> and a class on "networking" that didnt even talk about networking but was instead about threading, mutexs, etc. with ZERO FUCKING COVERAGE of modern constructs like futures.
2017-07-10T03:32:40 < upgrdman> and zero coverage of atomics
2017-07-10T03:32:42 < branjb> lol
2017-07-10T03:32:49 < branjb> I did CpE, all the cs classes I took were worthless except for OS
2017-07-10T03:33:00 < upgrdman> cpe = comp eng?
2017-07-10T03:33:01 < branjb> should have just did EE and took OS as an elective
2017-07-10T03:33:02 < branjb> yeah
2017-07-10T03:34:44 < Laurenceb_> <- physics grad
2017-07-10T03:35:18 < upgrdman> i really enjoyed the 2 semesters of phys i had to take. was tempted to minor in physics but didnt want to work that hard.
2017-07-10T03:35:23 < branjb> honestly pure math/physics degree people would probably make better engineers if they put in the time to learn electronics on their own
2017-07-10T03:35:35 < branjb> ditto
2017-07-10T03:35:44 < upgrdman> physics is one of those things i really enjoy, but feel like worrying about exams would ruin the fun.
2017-07-10T03:35:46 < branjb> the physics classes I took I loved
2017-07-10T03:36:18 < upgrdman> mmm not sure about that. i wish more engineers had CS experience. the code and software from EEs is fuck atrocious
2017-07-10T03:36:37 < tpw_rules> ^
2017-07-10T03:36:47 < upgrdman> "we offer free demo software for this dev board" -> guaranteed to be buggy slow ugly shit
2017-07-10T03:37:04 < upgrdman> and holy fuck the GUIs they make
2017-07-10T03:37:07 < upgrdman> lol
2017-07-10T03:37:51 < branjb> lol
2017-07-10T03:38:26 < upgrdman> but tbh, cs people are also ignorant as fuck about proper engineering
2017-07-10T03:38:44 < upgrdman> at least unit/integ testing is starting to become more common
2017-07-10T03:38:45 < branjb> EE degrees now are just ~arduino~ as far as coding
2017-07-10T03:39:22 < aandrew> branjb: I'm the wrong person to talk to this about, I didn't even go to college
2017-07-10T03:40:38 < aandrew> <-- unedjumacated
2017-07-10T03:40:51 < branjb> i'm the wrong person to talk about it too, if it wasn't for checking a box I wouldn't have bothered
2017-07-10T03:41:57 < branjb> my college experience was pretty worthless
2017-07-10T03:42:12 < branjb> my embedded class was writing python scripts that run on rasberry pi's
2017-07-10T03:47:38 < Laurenceb_> GUI shit makes me rage
2017-07-10T03:47:55 < Laurenceb_> prob cuz I have no proper training and its pretty hard
2017-07-10T03:47:56 < branjb> ya punch cards all the way
2017-07-10T03:48:10 < Laurenceb_> but also kind of brainless once you know the basics
2017-07-10T03:48:26 < Laurenceb_> lots of social science tier shit
2017-07-10T03:48:35 < Laurenceb_> knowing what library to use from who
2017-07-10T03:48:51 < branjb> dunno how easy/hard other GUI frameworks are but .NET with C# takes about 20 min to go from nothing to making a GUI communicate over serial
2017-07-10T03:49:16 < branjb> anything past basic GUIs is too much effort
2017-07-10T03:49:44 < Laurenceb_> I made a gui using bluetooth in qt
2017-07-10T03:49:46 < Laurenceb_> eventually
2017-07-10T03:49:49 < branjb> google for a library to do something basic, find out that you need to pay some $1500/yr perpetual license to use it
2017-07-10T03:50:41 < Laurenceb_> lul paying
2017-07-10T03:50:56 < Laurenceb_> qt bluetooth was actually a pleasure to use
2017-07-10T03:51:10 < Laurenceb_> bluetooth was less aids than it normally is
2017-07-10T03:53:10 < tpw_rules> R2COM:
2017-07-10T03:53:17 < tpw_rules> i've actually been working with a chip that solves your problem
2017-07-10T03:53:24 < tpw_rules> TPS61291
2017-07-10T03:54:04 < tpw_rules> it takes a coin cell input and outputs 3.3v
2017-07-10T03:54:11 < tpw_rules> but has a shutdown pin so you can turn it off, and then you just get the coin cell voltage
2017-07-10T03:54:18 < tpw_rules> so before you go to sleep, you just turn it off
2017-07-10T03:54:31 < tpw_rules> your micro
2017-07-10T03:54:42 < tpw_rules> well when it's "off"
2017-07-10T03:54:48 < tpw_rules> it doesn't boost
2017-07-10T03:54:51 < tpw_rules> it just connects the battery straight through and consumes like 10nA
2017-07-10T03:55:06 < tpw_rules> so as long as you can switch to low power mode and sleep on at least the min battery voltage, you're fine
2017-07-10T03:55:29 < tpw_rules> like the micro i'm using fails at 1.65V
2017-07-10T03:55:36 < tpw_rules> which is 2 completely dead alkalines in series
2017-07-10T03:55:39 < tpw_rules> yeah
2017-07-10T03:55:53 < tpw_rules> and wastes virtually no current
2017-07-10T03:56:04 < Laurenceb_> dunno if anyone answered earlier
2017-07-10T03:56:15 < Laurenceb_> anyone here used sdio on F1  ?
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2017-07-10T03:57:24 < tpw_rules> yeah that chip does that
2017-07-10T03:57:52 < tpw_rules> or well assuming your micro can come out of sleep at the min battery voltage you expect
2017-07-10T03:57:58 < tpw_rules> they must have them
2017-07-10T03:58:03 < tpw_rules> that's just one i have been working with the past week
2017-07-10T04:06:54 < tpw_rules> you can't charge a CR2032?
2017-07-10T04:06:57 < tpw_rules> how would you charge it
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2017-07-10T04:07:18 < tpw_rules> they must output different voltages
2017-07-10T04:07:23 < tpw_rules> and have different discharge curves
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2017-07-10T04:39:01 < aandrew> yeah and idiotic comments like that help keep people like her (who actually have technical merit) around too
2017-07-10T04:39:28 < tpw_rules> aandrew: we need to start an stm32 for nice people channel
2017-07-10T04:39:41 < branjb> this isn't the stm32 for nice people channel?
2017-07-10T04:39:43 < aandrew> nah
2017-07-10T04:40:00 < aandrew> I've been online long enough to know you don't do that and have anything prodcutive occur
2017-07-10T04:40:25 < tpw_rules> this is by far the worst channel though
2017-07-10T04:40:30 < tpw_rules> it's weird
2017-07-10T04:40:52 < aandrew> yeah it is probably the most toxic of any chan I've ever been on
2017-07-10T04:41:14 < aandrew> so
2017-07-10T04:41:17 < branjb> this channel is disneyland compared to #LRH
2017-07-10T04:41:31 < aandrew> I ate a ton of tortilla chips with homemade guac
2017-07-10T04:41:39 < tpw_rules> that sounds like the best idea
2017-07-10T04:41:39 < aandrew> had like 3 beer and now I'm warming up some leftover wings
2017-07-10T04:41:50 < aandrew> don't know why I'm eating like this tonight
2017-07-10T04:42:03 < aandrew> LRH's only purpose is to be assinine though
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2017-07-10T04:43:50 < aandrew> although one thing I do find funny on LRH is his fake craigslist ads
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2017-07-10T04:56:54 < aandrew> wings too long in the oven, now I gotta wait :-(
2017-07-10T04:57:33 < aandrew> thankfully there's beer
2017-07-10T04:58:51 < aandrew> oh and I managed to puncture the nat. gas line to my bbq today
2017-07-10T05:05:36 < branjb> I have to stop drinking beer and eatting shitty for a month
2017-07-10T05:05:43 < branjb> my suits barely fit me
2017-07-10T05:05:43 < branjb> lol
2017-07-10T05:09:32 < aandrew> yeah I gotta drop about 15lbs
2017-07-10T05:09:40 < aandrew> was thinking of going keto, beer is going to be the tough one
2017-07-10T05:09:45 < branjb> yeah
2017-07-10T05:10:17 < branjb> i drink 1-2 beers a night
2017-07-10T05:10:31 < branjb> gonna need to replace that with water or something
2017-07-10T05:10:32 < branjb> gross
2017-07-10T05:10:58 < aandrew> I drink occasionally
2017-07-10T05:11:18 < aandrew> I'll have one a night for a few days, then nothing for a week or two, then have a whole bunch at a party or something, then nothing again
2017-07-10T05:11:21 < aandrew> it's all over the map
2017-07-10T05:11:26 < aandrew> I do drink a shitload of coffee though
2017-07-10T05:11:40 < branjb> me too, but i like mine black with no sugar
2017-07-10T05:11:45 < branjb> so it's basically water
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2017-07-10T05:12:17 < aandrew> yes I drink my coffee black as well
2017-07-10T05:12:46 < aandrew> used to be a tim horton's double double kind of guy (2 cream, 2 sugar) but when I was an FAE I wanted to get to black because it's just easier when travelling and someone asks if you want coffee
2017-07-10T05:12:54 < aandrew> so I went to just 2 sugar, then dropped the sugar
2017-07-10T05:13:10 < aandrew> of course, once I did that I realized how disgusting tim horton's cofee was
2017-07-10T05:13:17 < branjb> lol
2017-07-10T05:13:38 < aandrew> started drinking starbucks americanos and while that's my go-to drink, I prefer my own moka pot with medium roast beans
2017-07-10T05:13:43 < aandrew> I find starbucks is just universally burned
2017-07-10T05:14:29 < aandrew> if you get an espresso at just the right temperature it's like full body and creamy even, just amazing
2017-07-10T05:14:47 < aandrew> it's tricky to get there though
2017-07-10T05:15:40 < branjb> my coffee taste is fucked up, i prefer gas station coffee that's been sitting on the burner for hours
2017-07-10T05:16:57 < aandrew> hahahaha
2017-07-10T05:17:03 < aandrew> that's pure pragmatism
2017-07-10T05:17:19 < aandrew> in canada I don't think anyone actually drinks gas station coffee because there's a tim's on every corner
2017-07-10T05:19:24 < branjb> i had tim horton's once, in kandahar
2017-07-10T05:20:01 < branjb> it was on the canadian compound come to think of it
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2017-07-10T05:20:41 < aandrew> I'm not exactly sure why but that amuses me
2017-07-10T05:21:03 < aandrew> tim's used to be canadian, now it's owned by some south american corp IIRC
2017-07-10T05:21:15 < aandrew> they've turned the "we're still canadaian" marketing up to 11 though
2017-07-10T05:37:29 < branjb> https://i.imgur.com/ehiodI5.png
2017-07-10T05:39:59 < scrotal_bonus> anyone got a spare kaspersky key?
2017-07-10T05:40:02 < scrotal_bonus> antivirus
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2017-07-10T06:13:14 < upgrdman> scrotal_bonus, i dont, but curious, why not just use the built in win defender?
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2017-07-10T06:47:47 < scrotal_bonus> upgrdman_: detectino rate is not good
2017-07-10T06:47:51 < scrotal_bonus> and i have a specific problem
2017-07-10T06:48:11 < scrotal_bonus> i was infected with the ETERNALPOT rootkit and a coinminer was deployed to my box
2017-07-10T06:48:22 < scrotal_bonus> fucked SMB over and took over port 445
2017-07-10T06:48:35 < scrotal_bonus> malwarebytes and AVG both did not detect anything was wrong
2017-07-10T06:49:02 < scrotal_bonus> kaspersky not only caught the rootkit, but blocked outgoing WMI exploits to a url i won't post here, on port 8888, looking for instructions
2017-07-10T06:50:09 < scrotal_bonus> https://www.cyphort.com/eternalblue-exploit-actively-used-deliver-remote-access-trojans/ upgrdman_
2017-07-10T06:51:38 < branjb> those russkies sure know their puters
2017-07-10T06:53:22 < scrotal_bonus> until this calendar year, antivirus has been a joke to me
2017-07-10T06:53:38 < scrotal_bonus> now that windows 7 is aged, more and more 0-day are left open
2017-07-10T06:54:25 < scrotal_bonus> and i refuse to upgrade till i wrap my mind around what win10 did to the MBR, boot loader etc
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2017-07-10T06:55:15 < scrotal_b> test
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2017-07-10T07:50:04 < scrotal_b> cause efnet shortens it to scrotal_b
2017-07-10T07:50:09 < scrotal_b> and ive grown to like it
2017-07-10T07:50:15 < scrotal_b> rolls off the tongue
2017-07-10T07:50:25 < scrotal_b> and if people ask, i can tell about scrotal bonus
2017-07-10T07:56:17 < upgrdman> nice  https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=55577
2017-07-10T07:56:22 < upgrdman> testing in production :)
2017-07-10T07:58:19 < branjb> lol
2017-07-10T08:03:33 < upgrdman> R2COM, scroll down the page
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2017-07-10T08:29:42 < jpa-> zyp: should work; what time?
2017-07-10T08:31:02 < jpa-> somewhere between 15 and 20 would work for me
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2017-07-10T09:01:25 < zyp> jpa-, then somewhere between 15 and 20
2017-07-10T09:01:43 < jpa-> :)
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2017-07-10T09:36:53 < ohsix> installed ac
2017-07-10T09:37:02 < dongs> fuckin hell
2017-07-10T09:37:08 < dongs> this dumb F4 uart without RS485
2017-07-10T09:37:10 < ohsix> don't have to stay up until 3am to chill
2017-07-10T09:37:14 < dongs> where's the best way to insert RE_DE dicking
2017-07-10T09:37:20 < dongs> should I do that in putchar() or something
2017-07-10T09:37:22 < dongs> or somewhere higher
2017-07-10T09:40:49 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/52/57/b8/e4/08/38/43/cd/CD00249778.pdf/files/CD00249778.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00249778.pdf
2017-07-10T09:40:52 < dongs> reading
2017-07-10T09:48:55 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-07-10T09:49:03 < dongs> how would I know if my 'entire buffer' has been transmitted
2017-07-10T09:49:05 < dongs> damn
2017-07-10T09:49:05 < dongs> fuck
2017-07-10T09:49:52 < upgrdman> isnt there a uart BUSY flag?
2017-07-10T09:50:09 < dongs> no idea
2017-07-10T09:50:13 < upgrdman> while(BUSY); // like a pro
2017-07-10T09:51:44 < dongs> while busy what tho
2017-07-10T09:52:01 < upgrdman> (uart->sr & uart_sr_busy) or something like that
2017-07-10T09:52:32 < upgrdman> wait for BUSY to become false... that means all bits have been tx/rx'd
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2017-07-10T10:38:18 < upgrdman> anyone know what show or movie this is from (i know the text is fake)  https://i.redd.it/w8080olrqd8z.jpg
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2017-07-10T10:49:51 < dongs> every fucking time i have to use gpio-set/reset bits i hae to fuckign think the fuck does it mean
2017-07-10T10:50:01 < dongs> 'clears the selecte dport bits'
2017-07-10T10:50:04 < dongs> clear = 0?? 1= ??
2017-07-10T10:52:12 < PaulFertser> dongs: the reference manual clearly explains that you select bits you want to modify with "1". So if you are using the atomic bit reset register, the bits which you set as 1 will be cleared (i.e. set to 0).
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2017-07-10T11:05:04 < c10ud^> upgrdman, Mr.Robot
2017-07-10T11:05:31 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, you still around?
2017-07-10T11:05:38 < upgrdman> i have an oocd question
2017-07-10T11:06:25 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: shoot
2017-07-10T11:07:13 < upgrdman> to debug stm32f4, this works, but it seems like i have to "reset halt" twice (once with oocd, once from within gdb) ... is this normal or am i doing things the hard way:
2017-07-10T11:07:19 < upgrdman> openocd -f board/st_nucleo_f4.cfg -c "init" -c "reset halt"
2017-07-10T11:07:25 < upgrdman> arm-none-eabi-gdb -silent -ex "target extended-remote localhost:3333" -ex "monitor reset halt" -ex "break main" -ex "continue" firmware.elf
2017-07-10T11:07:43 < dongs> youre opensoresing the ethernet thing? good luck man
2017-07-10T11:07:48 < dongs> shoulda just used keil
2017-07-10T11:08:20 < upgrdman> dongs, ya but once i get though the pain, it'll be easy :) same when i was figuring out the f0.
2017-07-10T11:10:18 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: you can combine init with reset halt by doing -c "init; reset halt" and then for gdb I suggest you try -ex "start" instead of monitor + break + continue.
2017-07-10T11:10:43 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, thanks! will try tomorrow morning when im in the office.
2017-07-10T11:10:51 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: and it's not clear why you need reset halt in the first place as f4 allows to autodetect flash memory size without stopping I hope.
2017-07-10T11:11:13 < upgrdman> iirc i was getting "target needs reset" without it
2017-07-10T11:11:14 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: please ping me tomorrow then, I'll try to help with the rough edges if any.
2017-07-10T11:11:18 < upgrdman> but i dont have my f4 with me now
2017-07-10T11:11:26 < PaulFertser> I think you might have misinterpreted the message.
2017-07-10T11:11:28 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, great. many thanks
2017-07-10T11:11:32 < PaulFertser> Welcome
2017-07-10T11:11:32 < upgrdman> ok
2017-07-10T11:11:43 < PaulFertser> "start" from gdb will do the reset.
2017-07-10T11:11:49 < upgrdman> k
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2017-07-10T11:38:32 < crt> GOYIM
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2017-07-10T12:29:05 < crt> 🦆
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2017-07-10T12:58:42 < karlp> bah, upgrdman's always gone when I want to reply to him
2017-07-10T12:59:28 < karlp> dongs: you finished your rs485 on usart-v1 yet?
2017-07-10T13:00:19 < daey> im looking at some stm32 examples and the main function is called "int notmain (void)" why does that even compile? o0
2017-07-10T13:01:29 < karlp> main() is only a convention of libc
2017-07-10T13:01:40 < daey> gcc doesnt seem to accept it normally, at least a simple "echo "int main(void){ return 0;}" > test.c && gcc test.c" doesnt work
2017-07-10T13:02:25 < karlp> what do you mean, doens't work, that compiles and runs just fine
2017-07-10T13:02:47 < karlp> but yeah, cortex-m gets initial stack pointer and program counter from first two words of memory,
2017-07-10T13:03:01 < karlp> the function at that PC value can be called whatever you like.
2017-07-10T13:03:11 < karlp> your linker scripts and startup code define those names
2017-07-10T13:03:40 < daey> karlp: my mistake
2017-07-10T13:03:54 < daey> "echo "int notmain(void){ return 0;}" > test.c && gcc test.c"
2017-07-10T13:03:58 < daey> is obviously what i meant
2017-07-10T13:04:20 < karlp> well yes, but that's because on your host you're running in libc, which has defined that the entrypoint of _your_ code is called main()
2017-07-10T13:04:21 < daey> i see, that explains it
2017-07-10T13:04:59 < karlp> st's provided code I think starts in Reset_Handler() iirc,
2017-07-10T13:05:03 < karlp> and then that calls main()
2017-07-10T13:05:25 < karlp> but you can use your own startup code and have it call notmain() or whatever you like if i you think it helps you keep track of things
2017-07-10T13:10:17 < daey> the initial stack pointer/ program counter are set via the "flash.ld" file?
2017-07-10T13:11:15 < karlp> maybe.
2017-07-10T13:11:25 < karlp> depends a lot on the complete set.
2017-07-10T13:11:41 < karlp> linker scripts go hand in hand with sstartup code.
2017-07-10T13:11:50 < daey> i see
2017-07-10T13:12:13 < karlp> and while I just said, "sp and pc from the first two words" it's more useful to think of them in context of the whole vector table.
2017-07-10T13:17:53 < crt> THE DOG AND HIS EQUATIONS
2017-07-10T13:21:20 < dongs> karlp: no
2017-07-10T13:21:28 < dongs> well, i did, but its fucked anyway
2017-07-10T13:21:38 < crt> State averaging
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2017-07-10T13:23:28 < crt> CRT goes back to school
2017-07-10T13:24:25 < dongs> weird
2017-07-10T13:24:37 < dongs> DE goes low, remote side sends shit, yet RX pin on the driver is always low.
2017-07-10T13:24:38 < dongs> wtf
2017-07-10T13:31:32 < invzim> I would say check your /RE on transceiver, but I'm pretty sure you already did that :)
2017-07-10T13:32:53 < dongs> they're connected together
2017-07-10T13:36:14 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/fmb-demo/blob/master/opencm3-raw/mb_port/portserial.c#L130 is how I've been doing it for a while now
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2017-07-10T13:48:39 < dongs> karlp: um, thats DMA isnt it?
2017-07-10T13:52:28 < karlp> no, that's just ring buffer uart irq
2017-07-10T13:52:45 < karlp> MB_USART_IRQ is just usart2_irq_handler or whatever
2017-07-10T13:53:32 < karlp> the tricky bit is knowing to turn _on_ the TC interrupt only for the last byte of your message.
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2017-07-10T13:55:24 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/vicRO
2017-07-10T13:56:13 < karlp> you posted it before
2017-07-10T13:56:16 < karlp> what is it?
2017-07-10T13:57:27 < Rob235> working on a drawing bot for a school project, designing the mechanism to lift the pen (rotation->linear motion)
2017-07-10T13:57:50 < Rob235> never used a 3d printer before but found a local library with one I can use so I'm trying this out
2017-07-10T13:58:38 < aandrew> < dongs> where's the best way to insert RE_DE dicking
2017-07-10T13:58:50 < aandrew> I always do interrupt based TX with a FIFO
2017-07-10T13:59:37 < aandrew> every time TXE interrupt fires I assert DE, and every time I go to disable TXE interrupt because there's nothing in the FIFO I start a one-shot timer that's 10 bit times in the future. that handler negates DE
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2017-07-10T14:03:25 < aandrew> it should be obvious but the FIFO enables TXE interrupt every time you write into it, that automatically makes the ISR fire and pull the byte from the FIFO
2017-07-10T14:03:43 < dongs> karlp: o
2017-07-10T14:03:50 < dongs> anyway, i have no idea how long my buffers are or etc.
2017-07-10T14:04:02 < dongs> i dont think de timing is the problem anyway.
2017-07-10T14:04:06 < aandrew> dongs: that's why you do it with FIFO and the ISR
2017-07-10T14:04:09 < aandrew> you never need to know
2017-07-10T14:04:22 < aandrew> it just stops sending and negates DE automatically when there's no more data to tx
2017-07-10T14:04:42 < dongs> maybe you missed the part where i ahve no idea how large my buffer is
2017-07-10T14:05:08 < aandrew> oh my TXE ISR usually also spins and continues pulling from the fifo and into the hardware FIFO so it coalesces interrupts to some extent if the hardware can do it
2017-07-10T14:05:26 < aandrew> dongs: I'm not understanding: you can do this without a FIFO but that's non-pro
2017-07-10T14:06:26 < aandrew> your putchar() asserts DE, writes to the transmit data reg, sets a 10T timer (maybe 15T a little extra dead time isn't going to kill you)... no TXE interrupt then, but the timer interrupt negates DE.
2017-07-10T14:07:22 < aandrew> you'll have to spin like a fool to write a message though: putbuf(buf, len) { while (len--) { while (TXE) { putchar(*buf++); }; }; }
2017-07-10T14:08:34 < aandrew> or just be pro and have a reasonably sized FIFO and have your putbuf() implementation smartly sleep or wait on a semaphore or switch tasks or someshit if it happens to fill the FIFO, at least you won't be spinning waiting for single bytes to be written out
2017-07-10T14:28:23 < karlp> aandrew: what are you doing with extra timers?!
2017-07-10T14:29:16 < karlp> only thing you need lastbyte knowledge for is so you don't accidentally handle a TC interrupt to early.
2017-07-10T14:29:41 < karlp> dongs: you have a unknown ahead of time length buffer right? you know when you're finished sending it though right?
2017-07-10T14:30:00 < karlp> when you're sending the last byte, you enable TC as well.
2017-07-10T14:30:17 < karlp> and on TC you drop DE.  you set DE when you started your message
2017-07-10T14:36:10 < aandrew> karlp: why continuously set and reset the timer? just do it on the last byte
2017-07-10T14:37:03 < aandrew> karlp: ther'es no "extra" timer, it just the one, and if you've already got a msec timer interrupt you can tie into that with a flag to drop DE
2017-07-10T14:37:40 < aandrew> I never understood people who had to drop DE the second the last bit was shifted out, a msec or two between tx and rx on the line is inconsequential, but some protocols are designed by those same people I don't understand :-/
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2017-07-10T14:41:24 < karlp> aandrew: no, I mean, why are you using a timer at all?
2017-07-10T14:41:51 < karlp> there's an interrupt that does it at exactly the right time, why aded a timer for it?
2017-07-10T14:42:32 < karlp> you _can_ just set a timer on the last byte that's tied to your baud rate and do it that way, sure.
2017-07-10T14:42:35 < karlp> but... why?
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2017-07-10T15:11:31 < crt> https://youtu.be/8P5HiXXWOVc
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2017-07-10T15:24:44 < aandrew> karlp: not all UARTs have a transmitter shift reg empty interrupt
2017-07-10T15:26:17 < aandrew> they all have holding reg empty interrupts but that's too early
2017-07-10T15:27:47 < karlp> re-read the ref manual plz ;)
2017-07-10T15:28:08 < karlp> usart-v1 have both TXE and TC interrupts. usartv2 has "plz turn on rs485 mode"
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2017-07-10T16:03:49 < englishman> someone is selling this locally, should i buy it http://i.imgur.com/9fWFqms.jpg
2017-07-10T16:06:17 < englishman> aandrew: if you think this chan is hostile, maybe you should put R2COM on ignore to improve chan quality and welcomingness
2017-07-10T16:09:33 < karlp> works for me :)
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2017-07-10T16:14:34 < crt> DRUG PATROL
2017-07-10T16:17:00 < maunix> Hi, any one has used nucleo boards with mbed and tried to output debug info over stlink?
2017-07-10T16:17:38 < maunix> I use linux and the stlink driver seems to be properly installed as I can update the firmware by droping the bin file to it.  I also see the stlink cdc port on my devices list on linux.
2017-07-10T16:18:20 < maunix> anyone with experience in it? I google it all weekend and even tried some samples but  without any result.
2017-07-10T16:19:13 < englishman> don't have any mbed experience myself, but someone in here probably does
2017-07-10T16:19:53 < maunix> englishman: thanks. i hope there is.
2017-07-10T16:20:53 < PaulFertser> maunix: what method are you using for output debug? SWO or UART?
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2017-07-10T16:21:52 < maunix> SWO is what i intend to use.  The samples i read about point on that direction.
2017-07-10T16:22:36 < maunix> in mbed there's a class named pc
2017-07-10T16:22:39 < maunix> https://developer.mbed.org/teams/ST-Americas-mbed-Team/wiki/Creating-Console-Output
2017-07-10T16:23:06 < PaulFertser> maunix: for SWO you need to use some tool that knows how to talk to stlink to capture it. I use OpenOCD.
2017-07-10T16:23:07 < maunix> if you have 2 minutes, check that link . although it is for windows the code won't chane
2017-07-10T16:23:23 < PaulFertser> SWO is not going to the CDC port.
2017-07-10T16:23:46 < maunix> PaulFertser: oh I see my silly mistake! I am really new at ST environment at all
2017-07-10T16:24:07 < maunix> not new on embedded but yes on st
2017-07-10T16:24:20 < maunix> and it is a little bit overwhelming at first.
2017-07-10T16:25:18 < maunix> but if you see the link i posted, it seems to be that it is using the cdc port of the stlink
2017-07-10T16:26:33 < PaulFertser> maunix: correct, they're using the CDC port. You already have the drivers, they're included in Linux, the kernel. Just run any terminal you like (e.g. picocom or minicom) to observe the output.
2017-07-10T16:28:25 < maunix> PaulFertser: I did. i tried with a bunch of terminal software with no success...
2017-07-10T16:28:55 < PaulFertser> maunix: then it likely means your code on microcontroller is wrong. Or mismatched baud rate etc.
2017-07-10T16:29:29 < englishman> doesn't the st-link CDC auto-baudrate on the uart side?
2017-07-10T16:29:45 < PaulFertser> Not sure, but I wouldn't expect it to.
2017-07-10T16:30:02 < PaulFertser> karlp should know
2017-07-10T16:30:03 < englishman> thought i read that somewhere
2017-07-10T16:30:11 < englishman> never used it though
2017-07-10T16:34:25 < maunix> PaulFertser: but if the buad is mismatched shouldn't i read strange data?
2017-07-10T16:35:42 < PaulFertser> maunix: sometimes, yes
2017-07-10T16:44:19 < daey> maunix: you mean receiving data via the virtual com port?
2017-07-10T16:46:47 < maunix> daey: yes.
2017-07-10T16:47:08 < daey> maunix: ive issues with it as well :)
2017-07-10T16:47:36 < maunix> daey: which specific issues? with cdc stlink port using mbed.org code?
2017-07-10T16:47:45 < daey> on my raspberry it appears to work fine. on my main pc it doesnt (i tried multiple linux distris)
2017-07-10T16:48:12 < daey> no clue. the automatically installed driver
2017-07-10T16:48:24 < daey> havent touched anything on the nucleo board
2017-07-10T16:49:54 < maunix> other codes on mbed.org do a dump to debug("string")
2017-07-10T16:50:03 < maunix> that seems to be more compatible to using openocd
2017-07-10T16:50:47 < maunix> the thing is that if that is the case, then it doesn't make sense to have that code on an online compiler... to download a binary file that we cannot debug or trace
2017-07-10T16:52:50 < PaulFertser> maunix: cdc port is plain uart, so the code running on the board should be writing to the USART0 the regular way.
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2017-07-10T17:03:05 < karlp> maunix: which board are you using? and a) are you using the right uart in your code, and is the disco/nucleo configured to actually hve your uart connected to the stlink cdc port out of the box or not?
2017-07-10T17:03:09 < karlp> (it varies)
2017-07-10T17:04:24 < aandrew> englishman: I try not to /ignore anyone, but there have been a couple over the years
2017-07-10T17:05:08 < aandrew> maunix: you should use the jlink free firmware for all st-link boards :-)
2017-07-10T17:15:31 < karlp> how would that change anything?
2017-07-10T17:15:46 < crt> Pumping
2017-07-10T17:15:46 < karlp> the virtualcom port would have a different vendor under iManufacturer in lsusb?
2017-07-10T17:24:32 < karlp> hrm, I think my bootloader should allow the host software to declare whether the software is good or not, not just check that the sp/pc are valid.
2017-07-10T17:25:10 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFPjJM6yYS8 cuba internets
2017-07-10T17:26:22 < kakimir> sent video card to some cuban hanging out with me in facebook in 2012
2017-07-10T17:26:35 < kakimir> he traided it to android phone apparently
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2017-07-10T17:28:21 < kakimir> he happend to work in some cuban internet framowork office so he could use internets about freely
2017-07-10T17:28:33 < kakimir> of course with eyes in his back
2017-07-10T17:28:46 < crt> An insatiable scat fiend
2017-07-10T17:28:56 < kakimir> interesting county
2017-07-10T17:28:59 < kakimir> country
2017-07-10T17:29:14 < kakimir> should visit as it's still there as it is
2017-07-10T17:32:40 < crt> Hey
2017-07-10T17:33:52 < kakimir> hey hey helen
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2017-07-10T17:35:31 < kakimir> reference to Lush cover of Abba song
2017-07-10T17:38:19 < crt> Ok
2017-07-10T17:46:45 < dongs> dongs
2017-07-10T17:47:03 < dongs>  < karlp> dongs: you have a unknown ahead of time length buffer right? you know when you're finished sending it though right?
2017-07-10T17:47:07 < dongs> no, i dont know when im finished sending it
2017-07-10T17:47:40 < dongs> unless you mean when i'm in TXE and i disable USART_IT?
2017-07-10T17:48:39 < dongs> in txe icheck if i got any crap left in ring buffer, if tal == head, i turn off IT_TXE
2017-07-10T17:54:56 < karlp> yes, and in that irq, also turn _on_ the tc irq
2017-07-10T17:55:02 < karlp> when that fires, drop DE.
2017-07-10T17:55:04 < dongs> in t he one wehre i turn off TXE?
2017-07-10T17:55:13 < karlp> yeah, turn off TXE, and ON TC
2017-07-10T17:55:16 < dongs> ok cool
2017-07-10T17:55:26 < dongs> (i dont think this is the problem currently)
2017-07-10T17:55:34 < dongs> somehow i manged to miswire pa9/pa10 as rx/tx
2017-07-10T17:55:38 < dongs> so I had to swap with goldwire
2017-07-10T17:55:43 < dongs> bu now rx is constantly low
2017-07-10T17:55:47 < dongs> so i think i soldered it to gnd somewehre.
2017-07-10T17:55:50 < dongs> gonna fuck wiht it omrorwo
2017-07-10T17:55:56 < dongs> but will add this DE stuff now.
2017-07-10T17:56:21 < dongs> my remote side also replies waaay too fast
2017-07-10T17:56:47 < dongs> like as soon as transmit is over reply is laread coming
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2017-07-10T18:32:12 < karlp> (that's why you can't always "just" wait a ms or two before dropping DE)
2017-07-10T18:32:41 < karlp> https://www.baldengineer.com/slides/hddg11
2017-07-10T18:33:26 < dongs> fukn snapeda
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2017-07-10T18:39:18 < dongs> k will test this tomrorw
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2017-07-10T18:59:41 < Rob235> grr everything is here except the linear rail w/ carriage and the motors (stepper and servo)
2017-07-10T19:00:10 < Rob235> Only thing I actually want right now is the steppers/servos
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2017-07-10T19:14:05 < dongs> https://gbatemp.net/threads/keychain-sized-playable-gba-sp.476933/
2017-07-10T19:15:46 < dongs> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/07/mycroft-the-open-source-alexa-fail
2017-07-10T19:23:17 < karlp> heh, pity abotu using an edison then...
2017-07-10T19:24:02  * englishman assembles 55 edison boards
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2017-07-10T19:27:11 < vampi-the-frog> I wonder if you can emulate something on a STM32
2017-07-10T19:27:42 < vampi-the-frog> I know it has a LCD ip
2017-07-10T19:27:48 < vampi-the-frog> haven't used it though
2017-07-10T19:29:13 < englishman> https://beckus.github.io/qemu_stm32/
2017-07-10T19:29:26 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roUaXetwBJU
2017-07-10T19:30:07 < Laurenceb_> lul edison
2017-07-10T19:31:40 < Laurenceb_> why do you need it?
2017-07-10T19:31:47 < Laurenceb_> cpu powah?
2017-07-10T19:31:48 < dongs> opensauce dronez
2017-07-10T19:33:15 < Laurenceb_> isis confirmed
2017-07-10T19:34:10 < karlp> using edison would be a way of "just running" existing emulator software
2017-07-10T19:35:07 < Laurenceb_> attn dongs: have you benchmarked SDIO on F1?
2017-07-10T19:35:19 < Laurenceb_> I need ~3mbps throughput to µSD
2017-07-10T19:35:54 < dongs> i donno about F1, i made stuff with sdio on 405 and it was 25-ish mbps
2017-07-10T19:35:59 < dongs> cant be that much worse
2017-07-10T19:36:03 < dongs> its smae peripheral
2017-07-10T19:36:16 < Laurenceb_> nice
2017-07-10T19:36:32 < Laurenceb_> atm I manage just over 1 with spi on f1
2017-07-10T19:36:41 < vampi-the-frog> hmm the one in the youtube looks a bit slow
2017-07-10T19:36:56 < Laurenceb_> version 2 vehicle datalogger
2017-07-10T19:37:53 < vampi-the-frog> the edison project is similar to any raspberry pi emulation project, it seems to me
2017-07-10T19:38:00 < vampi-the-frog> somehow those manage to always be unexciting
2017-07-10T19:38:36 < Laurenceb_> and even moar fail
2017-07-10T19:38:39 < Laurenceb_> its amazing
2017-07-10T19:38:53 < Laurenceb_> how do they manage to fail even harder
2017-07-10T19:39:21 < dongs> Laurenceb_: just use 405/401 man.
2017-07-10T19:39:29 < dongs> 401 has SDIO and i'd say uses less power than F1
2017-07-10T19:39:32 < dongs> in dynamic power modes
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2017-07-10T19:39:40 < dongs> and is much nicer to work with
2017-07-10T19:39:48 < Laurenceb_> hmm I'm lazy
2017-07-10T19:39:52 < Laurenceb_> does it have same usb?
2017-07-10T19:40:20 < Laurenceb_> I want to copypasta
2017-07-10T19:40:26 < dongs> i think its F107-style OTG USB
2017-07-10T19:40:27 < tpw_rules> isn't edison already cancelled
2017-07-10T19:40:38 < dongs> not F103-style device only usb
2017-07-10T19:40:46 < Laurenceb_> ok
2017-07-10T19:42:00 < Laurenceb_> I'm thinking a clone of v1 datalogger with sdio and rs485 to sensors
2017-07-10T19:42:05 < Laurenceb_> nice and simples
2017-07-10T19:42:12 < dongs> blah, you fucking suck
2017-07-10T19:42:16 < dongs> how about doin shit proper for once
2017-07-10T19:42:26 < Laurenceb_> maybe midi style connectors with status leds for each sensor
2017-07-10T19:42:39 < Laurenceb_> lul how would that be then?
2017-07-10T19:42:56 < dongs> i mean f103 is pretty dead, and has extemely annoying gPio
2017-07-10T19:43:25 < Laurenceb_> shrug, 10 year guarantee
2017-07-10T19:44:16 < Laurenceb_> grab samples -> write to FLAC is kind of easy
2017-07-10T19:44:44 < Laurenceb_> still need to get the contract
2017-07-10T19:44:58 < karlp> do you have a flac file per sensor?
2017-07-10T19:45:07 < karlp> or does flac do all multichannel audio?
2017-07-10T19:45:15 < karlp> how big is the flac compressor library?
2017-07-10T19:45:33 < Laurenceb_> I just rang them "wage is too low" "that is the wage for this position" "k thanks bye" "ok how about we pay you a bit more"
2017-07-10T19:45:44 < Laurenceb_> karlp: tens of k
2017-07-10T19:46:02 < Laurenceb_> one flac file per sensor thats plugged in
2017-07-10T19:46:03 < dongs> karlp: surely flac can do multichannel. its opensores shit
2017-07-10T19:46:08 < Laurenceb_> so 9 channels
2017-07-10T19:46:16 < Laurenceb_> in each file
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2017-07-10T19:50:03 < Laurenceb_> accel, magno, gyro
2017-07-10T19:50:13 < Laurenceb_> I might add high G accel
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2017-07-10T19:53:43 < kakimir> !wz laurence
2017-07-10T19:53:45 < dieforirc> [Laurence Harbor, New Jersey] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 31.4°C.
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2017-07-10T19:53:52 < kakimir> little bit low temp
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2017-07-10T20:11:59 < Laurenceb_> >low temp
2017-07-10T20:12:01 < Laurenceb_> ouch
2017-07-10T20:12:49 < kakimir> as trump would say - low energy
2017-07-10T20:18:57 < kakimir> anyone know where to find cheap goretex breathers?
2017-07-10T20:19:36 < kakimir> *vents
2017-07-10T20:20:49 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SPEEDAIRE-1EJT6-Breather-Vent-1-4-NPT-9-16-dia-/321487751645 like this but with gore
2017-07-10T20:21:02 < kakimir> hmm.. says causes cancer and birth defects
2017-07-10T20:21:21 < kakimir> that stuff I like to touch with my finger?
2017-07-10T20:22:48 < kakimir> wouldn't believe it causes cancers
2017-07-10T20:23:26 < kakimir> general rule: do not touch if you don't know if it causes cancer
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2017-07-10T20:33:56 < kakimir> http://www.shapers.com.au/gore-air-vent/
2017-07-10T20:34:15 < kakimir> these are used for electronics cabinets to let air flow in and out
2017-07-10T20:34:27 < kakimir> but keep water and dirt out
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2017-07-10T20:37:21 < kakimir> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/M12-air-valve-waterproof-valve-IP69K_60553786385.html there
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2017-07-10T20:43:44 < jpa-> i offered some stroopwafels to zyp but of course he immediately inquired "Are these genuine Steffanx stroopwafels?" and i had to confess they were not
2017-07-10T20:44:06 < kakimir> zyp did visit?
2017-07-10T20:44:31 < kakimir> only genuine ducth stroopwaffle counts
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2017-07-10T20:47:02 < jpa-> kakimir: yeah, did visit, you missed the party
2017-07-10T20:47:09 < jpa-> it was dutch but not Steffanx-branded
2017-07-10T20:47:17 < kakimir> you didn't invide
2017-07-10T20:47:28 < kakimir> what were you doing then and how long?
2017-07-10T20:47:49 < kakimir> drinking like vikings?
2017-07-10T20:47:54 < Steffanx> Haha jpa-
2017-07-10T20:48:07 < jpa-> some biking and ate frozen pizza
2017-07-10T20:48:15 < Steffanx> Let me send you some, so you never have to ve a bad guy again
2017-07-10T20:48:20 < Steffanx> Be
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2017-07-10T22:16:48 < upgrdman> lol. "My Windows 10 work machine has 24 cores (48 hyper-threads) and they were 50% idle. It has 64 GB of RAM and that was less than half used." ... shows pic of cpu usage -> biggest usage is from python.exe ... lol    https://randomascii.wordpress.com/2017/07/09/24-core-cpu-and-i-cant-move-my-mouse/
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2017-07-10T22:19:23 < dongs> i'm sorrry i read through all that shit and i have no idea what the fuck that moron is doing
2017-07-10T22:20:18 < upgrdman> im still skimming it, but iirc he founda bug in windows and reported it to msft
2017-07-10T22:20:38 < dongs> the "bug" is him executing python.exe , surely?
2017-07-10T22:20:42 < dongs> what "builds" is he talking about?
2017-07-10T22:20:50 < dongs> definitely not visualstudio
2017-07-10T22:21:01 < upgrdman> dunno
2017-07-10T22:23:16 < dongs> https://randomascii.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/the-spoils-of-law-moores-law-a-new-laptop/
2017-07-10T22:23:19 < dongs> what the shit
2017-07-10T22:23:22 < dongs> his list of installed software is retarded
2017-07-10T22:23:26 < dongs> no work is gonna be done on that computer for sure
2017-07-10T22:24:34 < dongs> oh another google faggot
2017-07-10T22:24:35 < dongs> k
2017-07-10T22:24:37 < dongs> bedtime
2017-07-10T22:25:07 < upgrdman> > encarta
2017-07-10T22:25:11 < upgrdman> lol people still use encarta
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2017-07-10T22:28:43 < Steffanx> Dongs is just looking for something to hate..
2017-07-10T22:29:04 < Steffanx> and upgrdman did the triggering.
2017-07-10T22:29:15 < upgrdman> :)
2017-07-10T22:29:57 < upgrdman> i think i might even have an encarta cd. i never though away my stash of win98se software, and i had the whole MS Works Suite thing back then
2017-07-10T22:30:13 < upgrdman> movies on my computer?! zomg how awesomes
2017-07-10T22:30:21 < Steffanx> i had encarta too, and included some virusses iirc
2017-07-10T22:30:26 < upgrdman> lol
2017-07-10T22:32:06 < Steffanx> encarta was great for doing crappy reports on high school
2017-07-10T22:32:27  * upgrdman nods
2017-07-10T22:32:41 < upgrdman> i, too, quoted the fuck out of encarta when i was upgrdboy
2017-07-10T22:33:59 < Steffanx> quoted? Copy-paste.
2017-07-10T22:34:06 < upgrdman> so naughty
2017-07-10T22:36:44 < Steffanx> da
2017-07-10T22:38:48 < englishman> This was a performance regression limited to a really specific and atypical use case (many hundreds of processes being killed all at once). This is particularly atypical for Windows because Windows software usually does multi-threading via threads not processes. Most people running windows 10 will never be affected by this particular issue.
2017-07-10T22:38:53 < englishman> so yeah, python.exe
2017-07-10T22:39:49 < englishman> also, it seems standard chrome dev platform is 24core 64gb ram
2017-07-10T22:39:55 < englishman> no wonder it runs like shit on normal desktops
2017-07-10T22:41:32 < Steffanx> <Steffanx> [insert name here] is just looking for something to hate..
2017-07-10T22:41:46 < Steffanx> Hi englishman.
2017-07-10T22:41:56 < englishman> heyo
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2017-07-10T22:42:12 < Steffanx> How are the chicks?
2017-07-10T22:42:15 < englishman> huge
2017-07-10T22:42:17 < Steffanx> I saw some real chick transport today.
2017-07-10T22:42:28 < englishman> i just jabbed a really sharp soldering iron point deep into my wrist
2017-07-10T22:42:38 < Steffanx> dont do that.
2017-07-10T22:43:36 < Steffanx> Not a very effective way to slice your wrists..
2017-07-10T22:44:10 < englishman> yeah sadly it looks like i'll be surviving this one
2017-07-10T22:45:55 < Steffanx> Was the iron hot?
2017-07-10T22:46:01 < Steffanx> Tends to give you nice scars.
2017-07-10T22:46:37 < englishman> no, they are stored vertically in the thermaldonix base
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2017-07-10T22:47:18 < Steffanx> oh.
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2017-07-10T23:09:23 < branjb> https://images.discordapp.net/attachments/288365145808306176/334034227865845773/cnnbaby9.jpg?width=544&height=491
2017-07-10T23:21:40 < tpw_rules> me irl
2017-07-10T23:21:49 < tpw_rules> the dad, specifically
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2017-07-10T23:46:17 < kakimir> I need a movie again
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2017-07-10T23:53:29 < branjb> what kind of movie?
2017-07-10T23:56:35 < kakimir> some fantacy action scifi
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2017-07-10T23:56:55 < branjb> you have netflix?
2017-07-10T23:58:20 < BrainDamage> 5th element
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2017-07-11T00:02:05 < branjb> for movies check out time lapse or Arq, for short tv shows check out 3% or Ascension
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2017-07-11T00:06:24 < kakimir> arq was nice
2017-07-11T00:07:03 < branjb> i've been into a lot of those netflix short series shows
2017-07-11T00:07:13 < branjb> I liked the travelers a lot too
2017-07-11T00:08:23 < kakimir> time lapse looks nice
2017-07-11T00:08:41 < branjb> time lapse is a little more suspsense than action, but it was really well done
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2017-07-11T00:35:29 < crt> Click click
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2017-07-11T00:39:20 < mitrax> Ding Dong
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2017-07-11T00:42:38 < crt> Hi
2017-07-11T00:43:16 < crt> Do you got any CRTs or stm32s?
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2017-07-11T00:44:56 < mitrax> Hi sir
2017-07-11T00:45:02 < mitrax> hmmm.. no i'm afraid not
2017-07-11T00:45:24 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/I4dGMilM/lol.JPG
2017-07-11T00:45:26 < kakimir> you are afraid of
2017-07-11T00:45:33 < crt> 'Tis okay
2017-07-11T00:45:46 < mitrax> crt: we've got all kind of spatulas though
2017-07-11T00:45:54 < crt> Hmmm
2017-07-11T00:46:25 < mitrax> crt: would you be interested in one? we have a showroom in the back
2017-07-11T00:46:38 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, you awake? i have my f4 with me now
2017-07-11T00:46:41 < crt> Idk
2017-07-11T00:46:59 < crt> I'm on a budget mate
2017-07-11T00:47:18 < kakimir> how much moneys crt owns
2017-07-11T00:47:27 < crt> 2 buck
2017-07-11T00:47:37 < kakimir> I have like
2017-07-11T00:47:40 < kakimir> thousand moneys
2017-07-11T00:47:47 < crt> 3 buck?
2017-07-11T00:47:55 < kakimir> and 2 thousands of debt
2017-07-11T00:48:43 < crt> 2 buck
2017-07-11T00:48:46 < kakimir> it's pretty good
2017-07-11T00:49:03 < crt> You're in China yeah?
2017-07-11T00:49:15 < kakimir> not.. yet
2017-07-11T00:49:23 < mitrax> kakimir: oh you're moving to china?
2017-07-11T00:49:26 < crt> Nigeria yeah?
2017-07-11T00:49:35 < kakimir> nigeria sounds exotic
2017-07-11T00:50:21 < kakimir> positive growth there
2017-07-11T00:50:29 < kakimir> means opoturnities
2017-07-11T00:52:09 < mitrax> that's where they mine SMAs iirc
2017-07-11T00:53:05 < crt> Nice
2017-07-11T00:53:22 < crt> This channel has memes......
2017-07-11T00:54:23 < BrainDamage> every community, given enough time develops its own memes
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2017-07-11T01:05:14 < crt> Dr Brain
2017-07-11T01:05:38 < BrainDamage> brain drain
2017-07-11T01:06:04 < crt> What is the cure for pumping?
2017-07-11T01:07:07 < kakimir> more pumpin
2017-07-11T01:07:25 < BrainDamage> crt: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=manly_suicide
2017-07-11T01:09:45 < crt> I was uhh rested
2017-07-11T01:10:27 < crt> On a pumping spree
2017-07-11T01:10:44 < BrainDamage> don't pump in public
2017-07-11T01:12:53 < kakimir> only pumpin with logarithmic growth matters
2017-07-11T01:13:09 < crt> Nah was in ##stm32
2017-07-11T01:14:01 < crt> I caught severe autism and started buying CRTs
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2017-07-11T01:32:56 < kakimir> I like indie movies
2017-07-11T01:35:55 < mitrax> i like to fuck ducks
2017-07-11T01:41:55 < kakimir> are you serious
2017-07-11T02:04:41 < upgrdman> gcc pros: does it matter if i list my include dirs (-Ifoo -Ibar etc.) before or after i list the c files?
2017-07-11T02:05:07 < upgrdman> and it seems like i *have to* list the linker flags *after* the files, or am i doing it wrong
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2017-07-11T02:13:00 < crt> mitrax: lol
2017-07-11T02:15:12 < crt> 🦆
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2017-07-11T02:20:41 < kakimir> branjb: excelent movie recommendation
2017-07-11T02:20:47 < kakimir> much thanks
2017-07-11T02:20:48 < crt> www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/shocking-racist-posters-featuring-waleed-aly-and-yassmin-abdelmagied-are-popping-up-on-city-streets/news-story/5668a80a71b3301c4fca813e3c3b22b9
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2017-07-11T02:21:31 < crt> Oh straya
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2017-07-11T02:40:44 < kakimir> room is getting hot
2017-07-11T02:40:48 < kakimir> got to hate summer
2017-07-11T02:47:10 < upgrdman> isnt finland frozen year round
2017-07-11T02:47:26 < upgrdman> with polar bears fucking in your back yard, etc.
2017-07-11T02:47:41 < kakimir> humppin
2017-07-11T02:47:51 < tpw_rules> that's what makes the heat upgrdman
2017-07-11T02:47:53 < kakimir> yes american text books might say that
2017-07-11T02:54:22 < kakimir> recommend china func gen
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2017-07-11T02:54:46 < kakimir> seriously american textbooks said that there is polar bears fucking around in finland
2017-07-11T02:55:01 < kakimir> talk about level of eduncation
2017-07-11T02:55:38 < upgrdman> wait what really
2017-07-11T02:55:50 < upgrdman> ?
2017-07-11T02:57:10 < tpw_rules> texas editionâ„¢
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2017-07-11T03:49:09 < Laurenceb_> polar bears were intelligently designed
2017-07-11T03:53:46 < kakimir> okay why you think so?
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2017-07-11T04:14:53 < branjb> kakimir: you watch time lapse?
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2017-07-11T04:33:09 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-11T04:35:51 < branjb> Primer is another good one if you haven't seen it
2017-07-11T04:37:03 < englishman> ^
2017-07-11T04:39:43 < aandrew> mitrax: huh I never heard of an SMA mine before. Do they mine other size diodes too? :-)
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2017-07-11T04:56:35 < dongs> sup doges
2017-07-11T04:56:39 < dongs> biked to .tw office
2017-07-11T04:57:21 < dongs> kickstarter fags are so rich they had a nice mtb in the office nobody was using
2017-07-11T04:57:25 < dongs> i was like ok, im just gonna keep that
2017-07-11T04:57:47 < dongs> they a ll drive fucking BMWs and lamborghinis, no need for a bike rite
2017-07-11T04:58:01 < dongs> r2com, looks mega retarded < ftfy
2017-07-11T05:00:04 < dongs> wtf my jewtooth mouse is lagging
2017-07-11T05:00:11 < dongs> im getting hacked
2017-07-11T05:00:17 < dongs> UPDATER.EXE (UNICODE) 32-bit
2017-07-11T05:00:32 < dongs> haha its LOGITECH UPDATER
2017-07-11T05:00:56 < dongs> now it works
2017-07-11T05:00:58 < dongs> after klling it
2017-07-11T05:01:01 < dongs> pro shit
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2017-07-11T05:10:54 < aandrew> dongs: get your rs485 figured out
2017-07-11T05:10:57 < aandrew> ?
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2017-07-11T05:22:28 < dongs> aandrew: about to start on it
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2017-07-11T05:34:11 < aandrew> if altium goes to shit I swear to god I'm going to switch to kicad
2017-07-11T05:34:28 < aandrew> I stuck with eagle for way too long as it swirled around the bowl
2017-07-11T05:34:34 < dongs> I'll switch to R2COMCAD
2017-07-11T05:35:27 < tpw_rules> kicad is actually good
2017-07-11T05:35:39 < aandrew> it's the linux of EDA
2017-07-11T05:35:48 < aandrew> every year that comes is the year for kicad on the desktop
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2017-07-11T05:36:09 < tpw_rules> ^
2017-07-11T05:36:13 < tpw_rules> it's 2017 for sure
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2017-07-11T05:37:02 < aandrew> I want it to be good
2017-07-11T05:37:04 < tpw_rules> it's also the everything's broken and the people who make it are 3 years ahead of everything else
2017-07-11T05:37:08 < aandrew> I don't like proprietary shit
2017-07-11T05:37:30 < aandrew> yeah I heard that is a common complaint with kicad... the basic stuff is busted but everyone's out working on the cool shit
2017-07-11T05:37:35 < tpw_rules> i'm putting a lot of faith in it right now and it so far doesn't seem too much more gross than any other package in its space
2017-07-11T05:37:55 < tpw_rules> yeah a big stupid one is they're re-engineering the pcb part, but you can switch
2017-07-11T05:38:01 < tpw_rules> so the stable uses the old one as default
2017-07-11T05:38:06 < tpw_rules> and i go to get help and they're like "oh you
2017-07-11T05:38:10 < tpw_rules> re using legacy?"
2017-07-11T05:38:17 < tpw_rules> then i switch away from legacy and things don't work
2017-07-11T05:38:40 < tpw_rules> but i'm taking the plunge as we speak so
2017-07-11T05:38:56 < tpw_rules> of building an ideally commercial product with it
2017-07-11T05:39:03 < dongs> lol, good luck
2017-07-11T05:39:09 < dongs> does it have working DRC yet
2017-07-11T05:39:21 < dongs> so that your commercial product doesnt end up with half the traces shorted
2017-07-11T05:39:21 < tpw_rules> no false negatives
2017-07-11T05:39:38 < tpw_rules> or i guess false positives
2017-07-11T05:39:44 < tpw_rules> there's no way to know if there's false negatives
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2017-07-11T05:42:31 < dongs> niice
2017-07-11T05:42:40 < dongs> karlp's DE troll worked
2017-07-11T05:42:48 < dongs> timing is good for that
2017-07-11T05:43:02 < dongs> but like i suspected thats not hte issue
2017-07-11T05:43:12 < dongs> wonder if driver is readlly dead
2017-07-11T05:43:13 < dongs> hmmmm
2017-07-11T05:43:26 < dongs> im getting tx + reply over th wire
2017-07-11T05:43:31 < dongs> but rx pin is low on driver
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2017-07-11T05:46:41 < aandrew> dongs: it's not something stupid like a xciever that has both DE# and RE pins and you're not driving hte RE?
2017-07-11T05:51:34 < dongs> yeah man, its same board/driver i used for a while
2017-07-11T05:51:39 < dongs> same circuit etc.
2017-07-11T05:51:42 < dongs> re/de is connected together
2017-07-11T05:51:50 < dongs> i have another board wehre this works fine (different layout)
2017-07-11T05:54:01 < dongs> oh fucking waht
2017-07-11T05:55:57 < dongs> yea fatfingered PA10 instead of PA11 in another driver
2017-07-11T05:56:01 < dongs> which made that pin permanently low
2017-07-11T05:56:02 < dongs> go me
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2017-07-11T06:09:00 < aandrew> no worries
2017-07-11T06:09:10 < aandrew> today I fucked up an endianness not once but twice
2017-07-11T06:09:27 < aandrew> PC sends ARM a table of uint16_ts in big endian format
2017-07-11T06:09:37 < aandrew> mistake 1: using the table as-received
2017-07-11T06:09:50 < aandrew> found it, fixed it in the comm library
2017-07-11T06:10:13 < aandrew> mistake #2: ARM #1 corrected the endianness of the table, sent the table over to other ARM over wireless
2017-07-11T06:10:32 < aandrew> second arm undoes the endian fix, converts table to big-endian and tries to use it
2017-07-11T06:10:37 < aandrew> what a day
2017-07-11T06:20:11 < dongs> god damn is ST site fucking busted
2017-07-11T06:20:15 < dongs> i cant downlaod shit, no email comes
2017-07-11T06:20:19 < dongs> trie dto use pals account
2017-07-11T06:20:20 < dongs> cant login either
2017-07-11T06:20:22 < dongs> fucking hell
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2017-07-11T07:03:21 < dongs> hm
2017-07-11T07:20:15 < dongs> I'll switch to R2CAD when they start supporting directx 12
2017-07-11T07:20:20 < dongs> or computers from this century
2017-07-11T07:20:44 < upgrdman> r2cad == allegro?
2017-07-11T07:23:13 < dongs> or cuckcad, yeah
2017-07-11T07:23:16 < dongs> orcad rather
2017-07-11T07:23:24 < upgrdman> k
2017-07-11T07:23:30 < dongs> it aids
2017-07-11T07:23:43 < dongs> awful colorscheme too
2017-07-11T07:23:55 < upgrdman> is that the red/blue faggotry?
2017-07-11T07:24:04 < dongs> thats altium
2017-07-11T07:24:11 < dongs> orcad is some dark shades of colors
2017-07-11T07:24:13 < upgrdman> no i mean like...
2017-07-11T07:24:15 < dongs> all dark and awful
2017-07-11T07:24:19 < dongs> or do you mean red/blue schematics
2017-07-11T07:24:21 < dongs> that you see from chinks
2017-07-11T07:24:58 < upgrdman> http://winspect.co.in/images/OrCAD1.jpg
2017-07-11T07:25:06 < dongs> yeah
2017-07-11T07:25:07 < dongs> thats t
2017-07-11T07:25:07 < dongs> i
2017-07-11T07:25:08 < upgrdman> ya this
2017-07-11T07:25:17 < dongs> fucking terrible shit
2017-07-11T07:25:27 < upgrdman> very terrible
2017-07-11T07:25:38 < upgrdman> like dos-era fugly
2017-07-11T07:25:42 < dongs> that whole screen looks awful too
2017-07-11T07:25:45 < dongs> all those weird scrollbars
2017-07-11T07:25:49 < dongs> and docked windows
2017-07-11T07:26:17 < dongs> no wodnder R2COM doesnt like using schamtic sheets
2017-07-11T07:26:19 < upgrdman> cucked windows
2017-07-11T07:26:31 < dongs> look how terrible it would look like if you tried to open several of htem at once
2017-07-11T07:26:54 < upgrdman> > starts bleeding from anus
2017-07-11T07:33:37 < upgrdman> see he's already offering tech support
2017-07-11T07:33:39 < upgrdman> :)
2017-07-11T07:35:32 < upgrdman> that shit reminds me of some shot plotter software from the early 90s
2017-07-11T07:35:37 < upgrdman> s/shot/shit
2017-07-11T07:36:08 < upgrdman> also, wtf is up with your L1 symbol
2017-07-11T07:36:20 < upgrdman> wtf kinda induction symbol is that
2017-07-11T07:37:17 < ohsix> butt
2017-07-11T07:37:39 < upgrdman> then why not FB refdes
2017-07-11T07:37:49 < upgrdman> and ya, symbol should be like a cylinder
2017-07-11T07:37:51 < upgrdman> ok
2017-07-11T07:38:09 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-11T07:38:14 < upgrdman> but FB makes it more obvious
2017-07-11T07:38:32 < upgrdman> kinda like using different refdes's for diodes, leds and zeners
2017-07-11T07:38:53 < upgrdman> stm
2017-07-11T07:38:55 < upgrdman> good boy
2017-07-11T07:49:01 < upgrdman> lol
2017-07-11T07:49:24 < upgrdman> an hour long. that's some dedication
2017-07-11T07:52:21 < upgrdman> lolwut china
2017-07-11T07:52:22 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/aocmledigu8z.jpg
2017-07-11T07:52:50 < upgrdman> to put that in perspective, each of those 100rmb bills is $15
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2017-07-11T07:55:55 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/ButtCoin/status/884617742220918785
2017-07-11T08:04:09 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://gfycat.com/TenderPlainEyelashpitviper
2017-07-11T08:16:11 < dongs>  < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/hA3XR3Q.jpg
2017-07-11T08:16:16 < dongs> holy shit thats fucking awful
2017-07-11T08:16:18 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-07-11T08:16:29 < dongs> everything
2017-07-11T08:16:34 < dongs> that screenshot is terrible
2017-07-11T08:16:59 < dongs> surely thats not the problem
2017-07-11T08:36:56 < ohsix> "I swear to God I am not guilty," Karpeles said in reading out a prepared statement in Japanese after listening to the charges against him through interpreters.
2017-07-11T08:37:03 < ohsix> ah, the toddler defense
2017-07-11T08:38:51 < dongs> why no chat
2017-07-11T08:39:02 < dongs> whatas a booster
2017-07-11T08:39:08 < dongs> like dcdc?
2017-07-11T08:39:08 < dongs> o
2017-07-11T09:01:31 < ohsix> huh the mit media labs center for bits and atoms guy is really overbearing and obtrusive
2017-07-11T09:01:51 < ohsix> i thought their work was awesome/important but always wondered why it didn't get more attention ... this could be a reason
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2017-07-11T09:21:44 < ohsix> dongs: mallory started selling/making the speaker on wilhelm
2017-07-11T09:22:48 < dongs> god damn how does ST manage to create such bloated fucking APi
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2017-07-11T09:23:18 < ohsix> lots of carbs
2017-07-11T09:23:30 < dongs> errno updatebyte(somegaydevicestruct *dev, int index, uint8_t andData, uint8_t orData)
2017-07-11T09:23:38 < dongs> like REALLY
2017-07-11T09:24:00 < dongs> so it does crap = shit_readbyte()
2017-07-11T09:24:18 < dongs> crap = (crap & andData) | orData;
2017-07-11T09:24:25 < dongs> shit_writebyte(crap)
2017-07-11T09:25:06 < c10ud^> I think there may be a typo, maybe it's dev->shit_readbyte()
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2017-07-11T09:26:13 < dongs> no tat was just me typing
2017-07-11T09:26:19 < dongs> the point is, why even have such a dumb  function
2017-07-11T09:26:54 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: ping
2017-07-11T09:27:54 < dongs> hes reading unfunnydit
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2017-07-11T09:45:54 < PaulFertser> R2COM: the video shows some weird kid but I'd bet the text he's saying was written by an adult.
2017-07-11T09:46:15 < PaulFertser> R2COM: of course I've heard about Ageev.
2017-07-11T09:52:47 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I guess you missed http://objectiveministries.org/creation/sciencefair.html , I can follow your reasoning and say it's the future of the UK science.
2017-07-11T09:55:18 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I'm a geek and a free software enthusiast.
2017-07-11T09:55:42 < c10ud^> lol
2017-07-11T09:56:30 < PaulFertser> According to israel/judaism laws I'm a "son of a jew" if that's what you're asking about.
2017-07-11T09:59:15 < PaulFertser> No, I'm not following modern web trends. And regarding imbecility, do you have any links to studies supporting your notion?
2017-07-11T09:59:41 < dongs> haha. another useless conversation started by R2BRO
2017-07-11T09:59:56 < PaulFertser> It's not my country, remember?
2017-07-11T10:00:26 < PaulFertser> It's of all those morons that vote for putin etc.
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2017-07-11T10:03:32 < PaulFertser> I'm doing what I can, I'm trying to help educating people so they start to think. If you suggest I grab some arms instead and plan a riot, I can only say that I believe that would be a moot attempt, highly inefficient, ending up in nothing whatsoever.
2017-07-11T10:05:17 < PaulFertser> Can't you find some real "vatnik" to troll, man?
2017-07-11T10:05:58 < PaulFertser> No, of course not.
2017-07-11T10:06:26 < PaulFertser> I'm talking about politics without hesitations, and I'm not afraid to lose my job.
2017-07-11T10:09:46 < PaulFertser> Why do you care about slaves in russia more than about slaves in the PRC or DPRK anyway? It's not your country, not your friends living here, you've nothing to worry about. And yet you still spend time watching videos, reading related news etc. Ain't that silly?
2017-07-11T10:11:17 < PaulFertser> russia's so weak, can it still create any significant problems?
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2017-07-11T10:16:18 < PaulFertser> So you (the usa) have all the guns, huge army etc. and do nothing about the matters, and I, a free software developer should participate in a riot to stop the criminal gang that took over the country, is that your point?
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2017-07-11T11:00:22 < dongs> PaulFertser: no i think his point is just nonstop trolling
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2017-07-11T11:23:35 < Steffanx> Its sad that R2COM cant be the new Trump.
2017-07-11T11:24:47 < Steffanx> He could solve it all
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2017-07-11T11:58:38 < dongs> political pumping is boring
2017-07-11T12:28:29 < Thorn> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-10/china-is-said-to-order-carriers-to-bar-personal-vpns-by-february
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2017-07-11T12:29:42 < karlp> dongs: if you're seeing both req/reply on the a/b lines and you're getting nothing on rx out, when RE is high/tied to _DE, then, yeah, your txer is fried.
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2017-07-11T12:42:56 < dongs> karlp: i found the problem, it was completely unrelated
2017-07-11T12:48:05 < karlp> hrm?
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2017-07-11T13:07:46 < dongs>  < karlp> dongs: if you're seeing both req/reply on the a/b lines < replying to that
2017-07-11T13:07:54 < dongs> my RX was low because in unrelated driver i made it permanently low
2017-07-11T13:07:56 < dongs> instead of AF
2017-07-11T13:08:04 < dongs> i had something on PA11, that had to be low to run (but not connected yet)
2017-07-11T13:08:09 < dongs> instead , i typed PA10 in tehre.
2017-07-11T13:08:10 < dongs> soo..
2017-07-11T13:08:30 < dongs> the code was actually not bad
2017-07-11T13:16:32 < karlp> oh, you were always driving the far sides driver?
2017-07-11T13:16:36 < karlp> yeah, that will fuck shit up
2017-07-11T13:17:08 < crt> sup
2017-07-11T13:17:10 < karlp> for fun games, you can actrually run multipoint ttl by, instead of turning off the rs485 driver inthe TC interrupt, you turnt he tx pin into a floating input
2017-07-11T13:17:21 < crt> sorry for leaving
2017-07-11T13:18:04 < karlp> and disable the transmitter but not the receiver. (CR1 TE bit)
2017-07-11T13:18:22 < dongs> karlp: no, i was driving RX pin low on my stm32
2017-07-11T13:18:36 < dongs> literally as GPIO_PP, set low.
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2017-07-11T13:18:43 < dongs> it was not connected to UART.
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2017-07-11T13:18:48 < karlp> oh wow, hehe, yeah, nice :)
2017-07-11T13:19:03 < dongs> so i was not "seeing" anything coming from RX on driver
2017-07-11T13:19:12 < dongs> because it was being overpowered to always 0V
2017-07-11T13:19:54 < crt> just in time mitrax
2017-07-11T13:20:52 < dongs> is imgur down
2017-07-11T13:20:57 < dongs> or did they finally ban me
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2017-07-11T13:21:48 < crt> lol
2017-07-11T13:21:56 < crt> link
2017-07-11T13:22:00 < dongs> any link
2017-07-11T13:22:06 < dongs> < dongs>  < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/hA3XR3Q.jpg
2017-07-11T13:22:26 < crt> http://i.imgur.com/12Lt5fC.jpg
2017-07-11T13:22:33 < crt> just up'd
2017-07-11T13:22:52 < dongs> haha
2017-07-11T13:23:17 < crt> legit r2cad there
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2017-07-11T13:33:21 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/878157658016030720
2017-07-11T13:33:31 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK66EN_Oa8c
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2017-07-11T13:43:07 < karlp> hrm, whole bunch of stm32 stuff landing in linux 4.13.  I wonder who's really doing so much linux on stm32 to push it all
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2017-07-11T13:44:47 < crt> Wtf
2017-07-11T13:45:35 < crt> Who would poison stm32 with Linux
2017-07-11T13:46:18 < jpa-> karlp: doesn't the commit log give names?
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2017-07-11T13:47:28 < karlp> jpa-: who possibly has time to read that directly )
2017-07-11T13:47:33 < jpa-> :P
2017-07-11T13:47:43 < crt> This is the end
2017-07-11T13:47:43 < karlp> I'mn just reading this summary: https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/727385/34871d8be38209f3/
2017-07-11T13:47:45 < jpa-> the same people who read release announcements? :P
2017-07-11T13:48:20 < crt> Hmm
2017-07-11T13:52:35 < jadew> those open courses are a fucking tease
2017-07-11T13:52:44 < jadew> there are no courses on advanced topics
2017-07-11T13:54:45 < jadew> everything I found so far barely scratches the surface and the only ones that go into detail are the ones about topics that are already covered in great depth
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2017-07-11T15:23:32 < kakimir> can you program locitech wireless receiver to pair with joystick I have that doesn't have receiver?
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2017-07-11T15:25:16 < kakimir> okay it's locitech rf2.4 link
2017-07-11T15:25:25 < kakimir> wingman joystick
2017-07-11T15:30:58 < kakimir> chinese func.gen. recommends?
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2017-07-11T15:49:49 < kakimir> jpa-: would you need any goretex breathers with m12 thread?
2017-07-11T15:56:57 < kakimir> yritän tilata mahd paljon mahd pienellä kappalehinnalla
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2017-07-11T16:09:10 < Steffanx> Suomi.
2017-07-11T16:09:22 < kakimir> perkele
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2017-07-11T16:54:45 < Steffanx> Why such cursing kakimir ?
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2017-07-11T17:04:28 < jpa-> kakimir: what the heck is that?
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2017-07-11T17:24:37 < kakimir> a vent
2017-07-11T17:24:41 < kakimir> breather
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2017-07-11T19:11:34 < Thorn> superior musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-h2oOw6kj4
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2017-07-11T19:18:41 < dongs> sup doges
2017-07-11T19:19:17 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1u8u4Yl.jpg
2017-07-11T19:20:33 < emeb> Thorn: that's a lot of vibraphones
2017-07-11T19:20:34 < karlp> took the scenic route I see
2017-07-11T19:20:46 < qyx> karlp: F3 ADC supports looks a bit messy
2017-07-11T19:20:49 < qyx> whats the actual status?
2017-07-11T19:20:55 < karlp> what app is that?
2017-07-11T19:20:57 < dongs> in openAIDScm3?
2017-07-11T19:21:03 < dongs> karlp: just samudng default health trash
2017-07-11T19:21:05 < karlp> qyx: "f3" is kinda vague too ;)
2017-07-11T19:21:09 < dongs> pretty sure google fit etc does same shit
2017-07-11T19:21:21 < qyx> karlp: yes, F303
2017-07-11T19:21:22 < karlp> the f3 adcs that are just like the others are probably fairly complete, adc-v2 periph
2017-07-11T19:21:53 < karlp> at least enough for this to have worked on the f3 disco https://github.com/karlp/libopencm3-tests/tree/master/tests/adc-power
2017-07-11T19:21:56 < qyx> ok, so I am moving that fairly further
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2017-07-11T19:22:13 < karlp> the sdadc is basically zero iirc
2017-07-11T19:22:34 < qyx> no, 1 need 4 adcs sampling at 4msps with analol watchdogs
2017-07-11T19:22:38 < qyx> and dma, so finishing those
2017-07-11T19:23:03 < qyx> I'll make a pr afterwards
2017-07-11T19:23:49 < emeb> F303 ADCs are faster than usual IIRC
2017-07-11T19:23:55 < karlp> ok.  try not to just dump it all in f3, I'm sure lots of it is applicable to l4 at least.
2017-07-11T19:24:03 < karlp> speed doesn't matter much for the apis
2017-07-11T19:24:04 < qyx> yep, they are a bit different
2017-07-11T19:24:41 < karlp> l0/f0 and f3/l4 had pretty much the same core register layouts, just that f3/l4 supported things like injected channels and per channel timers and so on, when I was cleaning this up last time
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2017-07-11T19:24:53 < karlp> I wasn't looking beyond that into the truly unique features
2017-07-11T19:25:36 < qyx> much timer gating awesomeness, synchronizing sampling to 1pps gps output
2017-07-11T19:25:40 < qyx> seems to work so far
2017-07-11T19:25:54 < karlp> so that's currently in adc_common_v2, adc_common_v2_multi
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2017-07-11T19:28:20 < karlp> jsut skimming it, shit like adc_set_watchdog_high|low_threshold don't look really solid...
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2017-07-11T19:31:44 < Steffanx> that font dongs -_-
2017-07-11T19:34:39 < kakimir> jpa-: need a few http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antistatic-ESD-Safe-Solvent-Alcohol-Liquid-Push-Down-Dispenser-Pump-Bottle250ml-/332011301802 I need to order 5 minimum
2017-07-11T19:34:44 < kakimir> ?
2017-07-11T19:35:00 < kakimir> I think I will have 3 to myselfe
2017-07-11T19:35:06 < jpa-> nope
2017-07-11T19:35:31 < kakimir> you have such?
2017-07-11T19:36:38 < Steffanx> Just look up his address and dumb them at his address :P
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2017-07-11T19:39:08 < kakimir> stalk him
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2017-07-11T19:40:08 < Steffanx> ya
2017-07-11T19:40:13 < kakimir> I need to remind dude that sold me a power adapter that he needs to pay now or I will fill report on him
2017-07-11T19:40:32 < kakimir> he goof'd it
2017-07-11T19:40:35 < Steffanx> awh
2017-07-11T19:40:48 < kakimir> shipped bigger package than was allowed in that parcel format
2017-07-11T19:40:58 < kakimir> to safe 5eur
2017-07-11T19:41:01 < Steffanx> hah
2017-07-11T19:41:35 < kakimir> I paid him 10eur to ship with cost of 8.30 parcel and he shipped 3eur parcel
2017-07-11T19:41:58 < kakimir> savings in action
2017-07-11T19:42:21 < Steffanx> and the package arrived without hassle?
2017-07-11T19:42:26 < kakimir> never arrived
2017-07-11T19:42:35 < dongs> lol
2017-07-11T19:42:43 < Steffanx> hah ok
2017-07-11T19:42:48 < dongs> why is europe such a shithole
2017-07-11T19:42:50 < kakimir> I wonder why post office did return it
2017-07-11T19:43:01 < Steffanx> Why asia is such shithole?
2017-07-11T19:43:08 < kakimir> they have this slot thing where packages go thru in their center
2017-07-11T19:43:08 < dongs> apparently im coming to Laurenceb_'s place this october
2017-07-11T19:43:16 < Steffanx> ohnoes.
2017-07-11T19:43:22 < kakimir> and if it doesn't fit the robot throws package somewhere
2017-07-11T19:43:29 < dongs> another dickstarter paid trip
2017-07-11T19:43:42 < kakimir> how is dickstart life dongs ?
2017-07-11T19:43:44 < Steffanx> sounds like zano.
2017-07-11T19:44:00 < dongs> kakimir: amazing. everyone except me driving BMWs and lamborghinis
2017-07-11T19:44:04 < kakimir> someone need something fixed fast
2017-07-11T19:44:16 < kakimir> you are their saviour
2017-07-11T19:44:35 < kakimir> and dudes who fucked it up get paid more than you
2017-07-11T19:44:48 < dongs> i gotta get this mtb i stole from their office looked at
2017-07-11T19:44:53 < dongs> rear bearing looks like its wobbling or something
2017-07-11T19:45:02 < Steffanx> lamborghini ok, not sure if bmw would make me happy.
2017-07-11T19:45:05 < kakimir> didn't even stole good bike
2017-07-11T19:45:19 < dongs> i got into some bullshit ferrari thing with one of hte dudes
2017-07-11T19:45:26 < kakimir> lamborghini is so bad
2017-07-11T19:45:26 < dongs> the seats were uncomfortable as fuck
2017-07-11T19:45:30 < dongs> cant even recline, wtf
2017-07-11T19:45:38 < dongs> only moves front/back, and is hard and retarded
2017-07-11T19:45:54 < Steffanx> Better get some land rover or something. 4x4
2017-07-11T19:45:57 < dongs> why do poeple spend like 500k on that shit
2017-07-11T19:46:13 < kakimir> it's been said it's mediocre car to drive and had mediocre performance
2017-07-11T19:46:19 < kakimir> all you pay for is hype
2017-07-11T19:46:26 < karlp> there's more than one lambo.
2017-07-11T19:46:46 < dongs> https://dpq6glm99k454.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/12113845/488_maranello1sm.jpg the shit looked something like this but less rice
2017-07-11T19:47:01 < kakimir> but you get to bang some bimbos for sure
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2017-07-11T19:47:23 < kakimir> that is race car
2017-07-11T19:47:46 < dongs> also, what the fuck females in 2017
2017-07-11T19:47:57 < dongs> i was trying to ride my bike on a narrow walkway
2017-07-11T19:48:10 < dongs> and this cunt is fucking walking slow as shit spinning her dumb phone around taking fucking dog filter selfies
2017-07-11T19:48:14 < dongs> every 5 seconds
2017-07-11T19:49:17 < Steffanx> You, as a guy of the internet, should know instagram by now...
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2017-07-11T19:49:35 < Steffanx> and the instasluts
2017-07-11T19:49:51 < kakimir> he only lives on chans
2017-07-11T19:50:06 < dongs> you must have me confused with Laurence/b/
2017-07-11T19:50:09 < kakimir> strictly out of scope of normo internet
2017-07-11T19:53:28 < dongs> http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/I-Am-Not-Your-Negro-Blu-ray/173598/
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2017-07-11T20:03:23 < kakimir> #racism32
2017-07-11T20:05:29 < Steffanx> not everything that involves black people is racism, mr kakimir.
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2017-07-11T20:09:27 < day_> when i flash my nucleo board via openocd -f st_nucleo_f4.cfg -c "program flash.bin reset exit 0x08000000"
2017-07-11T20:10:21 < kakimir> not everything writen in this channel is non-sarcastic, mr Steffanx.
2017-07-11T20:10:29 < day_> it bricks. the program is tranfered, seemingly successfully but i am unable to reprogram the unit unless i do it while i press the reset button on the unit. the orange led on the programmer also lights up
2017-07-11T20:10:45 < dongs> sounds like your code is shit then
2017-07-11T20:10:48 < Steffanx> you dont do sarcasm kakimir. I know that by experience.
2017-07-11T20:10:49 < dongs> maybe you disable swd on boot?
2017-07-11T20:11:23 < englishman> i see R2COM was trolling about orscab for several hours
2017-07-11T20:11:31 < englishman> what exactly does one refer to when talking about orcad
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2017-07-11T20:11:39 < englishman> as there is no one program called "orcad"
2017-07-11T20:11:50 < englishman> there are like 500 different .exes in the orcad/cadence family
2017-07-11T20:11:52 < dongs> its like 20 programs
2017-07-11T20:11:52 < dongs> yeah
2017-07-11T20:12:09 < englishman> schematic entry. schematic checker. schematic annotator. schematic exporter
2017-07-11T20:12:18 < karlp> license checker
2017-07-11T20:12:22 < daey> hm i did not do it intentionally
2017-07-11T20:12:24 < karlp> license checker for license checker
2017-07-11T20:12:30 < englishman> footprint creation. footprint modification. footprint pin assignment
2017-07-11T20:12:40 < englishman> all with useless names
2017-07-11T20:12:55 < karlp> and all with no upgrade path or clear future of any sort
2017-07-11T20:12:58 < daey> meaning, its unlikely i actively did something. unless i have to explicitely allow something i dont think that is the case
2017-07-11T20:13:14 < englishman> karl speaks the truth
2017-07-11T20:13:35 < dongs> yeah but karlp is thinking "kikecad" when he mentions those things
2017-07-11T20:13:43 < dongs> kikecad has no lucense checker, but not usability also
2017-07-11T20:13:51 < dongs> not=no
2017-07-11T20:14:02 < daey> its just a 'blink an led' program at this point https://pastebin.com/3kJSBpM1
2017-07-11T20:14:06 < karlp> daey: -c "program just_use_your_elf.elf verify reset exit"
2017-07-11T20:14:10 < englishman> daey: i dont know how connect-under-reset works with openocd. if your program uses the SWD pins, then you can't reprogram it (or use SWD) while the program is running. however you can connect to SWD while the reset line is held by your debugger
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2017-07-11T20:14:57 < karlp> (protip, if you're getting started with just flashing a basic blinker, don't do silly things like try using the swd pins)
2017-07-11T20:15:24 < englishman> that header file should give you easier-to-use hooks into the peripherals, too
2017-07-11T20:15:38 < englishman> rather than defining register addresses manually
2017-07-11T20:16:25 < daey> karlp: elf or bin doesnt matter. same effect
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2017-07-11T20:17:07 < englishman> int notmain?
2017-07-11T20:17:17 < PaulFertser> daey: for connect under reset with openocd add -c "reset connect_assert_srst"
2017-07-11T20:17:19 < englishman> have you tried some sample blinky programs?
2017-07-11T20:17:22 < daey> englishman: dont ask me. confused me as well :P
2017-07-11T20:17:27 < daey> that is one. it works fine
2017-07-11T20:17:54 < PaulFertser> daey: and I suggest you use only elf files to avoid confusion
2017-07-11T20:17:57 < dongs> ok bedtime
2017-07-11T20:18:06 < karlp> daey: maybe you want to use something like MMIO32 instead of having put, get and also having to do manually when you want to use |=  https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/include/libopencm3/cm3/common.h#L49-L53
2017-07-11T20:19:26 < daey> i know about libopencm3 i just want to get a feel for things first.
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2017-07-11T20:19:51 < daey> when i looked at it first i ended up with a gazillion of folders and i had no idea what was going on
2017-07-11T20:21:30 < daey> PaulFertser: like this? openocd -f st_nucleo_f4.cfg -c "reset connect_assert_srst" -c "program flash.elf verify reset exit"
2017-07-11T20:23:18 < daey> and you are right the SWD pin appears to be the one the led is connected to...
2017-07-11T20:23:41 < karlp> what hardware are you using?
2017-07-11T20:23:53 < karlp> (toss it in the bin and use something sane for your develooment)
2017-07-11T20:23:53 < daey> nucleo stm32f411
2017-07-11T20:24:29 < daey> i assumed a manufacturer provided board would be decent for the beginning :D
2017-07-11T20:24:52 < englishman> it is
2017-07-11T20:24:56 < englishman> nucleos are gr8
2017-07-11T20:25:20 < englishman> discoveries too, which come with extra crap you can play around with
2017-07-11T20:26:25 < englishman> getting F303K8T6 nucleo today
2017-07-11T20:27:40 < daey> but why would one connect the only interactive component to the SWD pin~
2017-07-11T20:31:28 < englishman> i dont think PA5 is a swd pin
2017-07-11T20:32:05 < englishman> as you are writing to registers in a funny way, maybe you have disabled PA14/15 (or whatever pins swd is on) accidentally
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2017-07-11T20:45:04 < daey> you are right, i misread a statement in a forum
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2017-07-11T21:10:59 < jpa-> https://arduino.stackexchange.com/questions/41493/are-global-variables-evil-in-arduino
2017-07-11T21:13:33 < qyx> is it a trollthread with trollanswers?
2017-07-11T21:14:15 < Steffanx> answer look ok..
2017-07-11T21:14:18 < Steffanx> +s
2017-07-11T21:14:24 < jpa-> surprisingly ok
2017-07-11T21:14:37 < jpa-> just one comment saying "you must use global variables, nothing else is possible"
2017-07-11T21:17:29 < qyx> hm, probably for a complex project you need at least and no more than a single singleton
2017-07-11T21:18:07 < qyx> or zero for fully DI retardness
2017-07-11T21:19:18 < qyx> -ly
2017-07-11T21:20:41 < gxti> yes just in case you have a second instance of your app running in the same arduino
2017-07-11T21:20:50 < gxti> wouldn't want them to accidentally share state.
2017-07-11T21:22:13 < qyx> sarcasm indicator triggered
2017-07-11T21:22:51 < gxti> also unlike more primitive environments like stm32 arduino doesn't have to worry about those pesky encapsulation-violating traps called "interrupt handlers"
2017-07-11T21:24:43 < gxti> (i think. it's not like i actually use it so i don't actually know, but it makes me feel better to say it anyway)
2017-07-11T21:25:16 < qyx> gxti: did you use vctcxo connected to the dac output?
2017-07-11T21:25:29 < qyx> or just that resistor divider between gnd and vcc
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2017-07-11T21:26:32 < gxti> i didn't really do any voltage control, software disciplining worked well enough
2017-07-11T21:27:12 < gxti> might be confusing it with an earlier project
2017-07-11T21:27:19 < kakimir> https://www.ascel-electronic.de/bausaetze/1/ae20125-10mhz-wobbel-dds-funktionsgenerator anyone recommend this?
2017-07-11T21:27:43 < qyx> I don't actually know which one I am reffering to
2017-07-11T21:27:51 < qyx> but I remember that you worked with time
2017-07-11T21:27:57 < qyx> and those ntp things
2017-07-11T21:28:07 < Steffanx> only 10mhz kakimir?
2017-07-11T21:28:12 < gxti> yeah i mean i went through like 7 revisions of the ntp thing, and the first couple might have actually had voltage control
2017-07-11T21:28:20 < gxti> but the one from that forum post didn't
2017-07-11T21:28:35 < gxti> i just had the divider footprint there in case a vctxo was cheaper than the plain tcxo and it needed to be biased to be stable
2017-07-11T21:28:50 < qyx> yep, I concluded that was the case when I saw it
2017-07-11T21:29:19 < qyx> ok, 1.8Msps stable with 26MHz tcxo
2017-07-11T21:29:33 < qyx> i wonder it the PLL x3 adds much jitter
2017-07-11T21:30:09 < gxti> the earlier project was an actual gpsdo but that never really went anywhere, made it too complicated
2017-07-11T21:30:36 < gxti> used a pwm "dac"
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2017-07-11T21:32:36 < Fleck> kakimir: adjusting that one is ... pain :P I just don't understand, why they didn't use encoder... :(
2017-07-11T21:34:46 < kakimir> Fleck: do you have an alternative?
2017-07-11T21:34:49 < kakimir> for me
2017-07-11T21:35:05 < kakimir> price range about 100-150eur
2017-07-11T21:35:09 < kakimir> max
2017-07-11T21:36:37 < PaulFertser> daey: yes
2017-07-11T21:36:46 < PaulFertser> daey: s/reset/reset_config/
2017-07-11T21:38:21 < Laurenceb_> reeee
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2017-07-11T21:38:41 < Laurenceb_> vehicle monitor team can only pay me UKP30k
2017-07-11T21:38:46 < Laurenceb_> shit wage is shit
2017-07-11T21:41:19 < sync> lel
2017-07-11T21:42:47 < Laurenceb_> there goes my hopes of an easy life
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2017-07-11T21:43:27 < Laurenceb_> apparently I can keep the full wage but do as little actual work as I want
2017-07-11T21:43:30 < Laurenceb_> lul these guys
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2017-07-11T21:43:55 < kakimir> "as little as you want"
2017-07-11T21:44:00 < Laurenceb_> as long as milestones are met I am free to have other job(s)
2017-07-11T21:44:07 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-07-11T21:45:28 < Steffanx> that's still 30k more than you make now right?
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2017-07-11T21:46:09 < Laurenceb_> lul
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2017-07-11T21:47:22 < Laurenceb_> to turn up for a milestone meeting every 6 months its good, but if they are trying to call it a proper job its shit
2017-07-11T21:47:23 < Steffanx> What's that after taxes and stuff?
2017-07-11T21:47:28 < Laurenceb_> no, before
2017-07-11T21:47:39 < Steffanx> but what's it after taxes and stuff :P
2017-07-11T21:47:45 < Steffanx> - 1/3?
2017-07-11T21:47:50 < Laurenceb_> yeah about
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2017-07-11T21:48:40 < Steffanx> :)
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2017-07-11T21:50:00 < englishman> just do all their work in 3 months
2017-07-11T21:50:25 < englishman> not like you do anything else all day
2017-07-11T21:50:31 < Laurenceb_> it has to fit into milestones with their mech eng guy
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2017-07-11T21:51:14 < englishman> tell them you only work from noon to 3 plus an hour for lunch
2017-07-11T21:51:22 < sync> :D
2017-07-11T21:51:25 < Steffanx> become a canuck mail man. Take englishman's dream job.
2017-07-11T21:51:39 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-07-11T21:52:10 < Laurenceb_> think I'll ask them to rewrite contract as part time
2017-07-11T21:52:15 < englishman> i'm not qualified enough to be a letter carrier ;'(
2017-07-11T21:52:22 < Laurenceb_> keep same wage and take another job, problem solved
2017-07-11T21:52:32 < Steffanx> You at least need a phd, so .. i know a candidate.
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2017-07-11T22:06:12 < jadew> man.. whoever decided to automatically install updates when you restart the PC should fucking burn in hell
2017-07-11T22:06:57 < englishman> at least you dont run windows 7 and have a buttcoin miner rootkit like scrotal_b
2017-07-11T22:08:26 < jadew> at least his PC was being productive
2017-07-11T22:08:51 < jadew> mine just sits there and I'm unable to use it
2017-07-11T22:09:00 < jadew> evne tho, I have to use it NOW
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2017-07-11T22:09:25 < jadew> but hey... some idiot decided it should install updates without warning
2017-07-11T22:09:39 < jadew> whenever I turn on my laptop I have to go through shit regarding updates
2017-07-11T22:09:44 < englishman> it is patch tuesday
2017-07-11T22:10:20 < jadew> well, I don't use my laptop too often, so whenever I do turn it on, it's update day
2017-07-11T22:10:45 < englishman> no sleep mode? like actual power down?
2017-07-11T22:10:48 < jadew> but the thing is that when I turn it on, I want to use it, not to install updates
2017-07-11T22:11:31 < jadew> no reason to put it in sleep mode, I use it once per month or every two months
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2017-07-11T22:12:38 < jadew> I really don't understand why they couldn't just have an annoying pop-up or some shit that didn't forecefully wasted so much of my time
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2017-07-11T22:12:59 < jadew> it's nice to know you have updates, but ffs... let me decide when I want to install them
2017-07-11T22:14:25 < jadew> finally, it restared...
2017-07-11T22:14:30 < jadew> damn piece of shit
2017-07-11T22:17:53 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/IVmHshX.jpg
2017-07-11T22:18:14 < Laurenceb_> spacex always seems a bit heath robinson
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2017-07-11T22:33:36 < qyx> wtf stm32cubemx 300MB
2017-07-11T22:33:38 < qyx> not downloading
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2017-07-11T22:43:36 < invzim> monster attack! a bug flew through my window, down to my pcb, and crept into vision while I was probing it through the microscope :)
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2017-07-11T22:57:21 < Steffanx> mainly because they seem to keep some archive of the old databases qyx ...
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2017-07-11T22:59:19 < Steffanx> its not as bad as it looks imho
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2017-07-11T23:08:47 < Laurenceb_> https://gfycat.com/ColorlessFoolhardyAmericanindianhorse
2017-07-11T23:08:58 < Steffanx> lol.
2017-07-11T23:09:27 < sync> what a cunt
2017-07-11T23:23:06 < Laurenceb_> http://gifgifmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/putin-i-pop.gif
2017-07-11T23:27:23 < karlp> heh, gfycat has longer words now, must have gotten harder to keep making new ones
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2017-07-11T23:51:10 < Laurenceb_> http://i.magaimg.net/img/yfm.jpg
2017-07-11T23:53:22 < qyx> Laurenceb_: did your analol watchdog work?
2017-07-11T23:53:33 < qyx> found some sources for datalogger
2017-07-11T23:53:54 < Laurenceb_> analol watchdog?
2017-07-11T23:54:19 < Laurenceb_> adc analogue watchdog?
2017-07-11T23:54:34 < Laurenceb_> iirc I used that ages ago and it worked yeah
2017-07-11T23:55:14 < Laurenceb_> for simple "sensor is fuxored" detection
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2017-07-12T00:07:43 < upgrdman> is there a name for the rules that would let me look at the c source code for a struct, and be able to say exactly what bytes belong to each variable, and for bitfields, what bit belong to each variable. i can do that by hand, but do it often enough i kinda want to write a tool for this.
2017-07-12T00:08:08 < upgrdman> e.g. i need to know endianness, how the processor/compiler decides to align things, etc.
2017-07-12T00:08:52 < upgrdman> and how that changes if the struct is __packed__ or not
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2017-07-12T00:11:38 < karlp> qyx: I got analog watchdog working too on l1, but haven't yet managed to use it to do save to flash on power down.
2017-07-12T00:11:59 < karlp> worked ok with basic tests, but need to go back and play with that some more
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2017-07-12T01:41:18 < crt> Yepp
2017-07-12T01:45:53 < crt> Any cloners?
2017-07-12T02:05:15 < vampi-the-frog> go clone yourself
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2017-07-12T02:08:42 < upgrdman> lol https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/07/10/2050229/russians-now-need-a-passport-to-watch-pornhub
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2017-07-12T02:52:03 < kakimir> nice
2017-07-12T02:59:05 < jadew> like anyone would do that for 5 minute videos
2017-07-12T03:02:21 < kakimir> you will be directed to treatment
2017-07-12T03:47:46 < crt> CloneHub
2017-07-12T03:53:06 < dongs> sup doges
2017-07-12T03:53:53 < dongs> upgrdman: vey compiler dependent, you shouldn ever reply on shit being in a particular place anyway
2017-07-12T03:54:22 < upgrdman> dongs, ya i know. but when your pooping data between mcu and pc, you need to know what each byte contains
2017-07-12T03:55:39 < dongs> certainly, and you write proper pack/unpack stuff for it
2017-07-12T03:55:55 < upgrdman> what is "proper" ?
2017-07-12T03:56:19 < dongs> not directly overlaying structs to memory
2017-07-12T03:56:22 < dongs> and hoping it fits
2017-07-12T03:56:51 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-12T03:57:02 < upgrdman> but like how do you transfer a uint16 to a pc
2017-07-12T03:57:17 < upgrdman> it might be padded into a word by the compiler
2017-07-12T03:57:32 < upgrdman> s/a uint16/ a FEW uint16's
2017-07-12T03:57:36 < dongs> transfer as buffer of bytes, and buf[xx] << 8 | buf[xx+1]
2017-07-12T03:57:52 < upgrdman> yes thats what i do
2017-07-12T03:57:52 < dongs> dont transfer the entire struct
2017-07-12T03:57:52 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/16a5320fa4/30236.jpg
2017-07-12T03:58:03 < dongs> make a packet with data you actually know how its organized
2017-07-12T03:58:10 < Laurenceb_> pragma packed
2017-07-12T03:58:16 < dongs> or just use nanopb or whatever
2017-07-12T03:58:20 < dongs> im sure jpa will be super excited
2017-07-12T03:58:45 < dongs> it solves this exact problem, and more
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2017-07-12T04:41:31 < englishman> upgrdman: protobufs, nanopb
2017-07-12T04:41:56 < upgrdman> k
2017-07-12T04:42:35 < englishman> check your opensores licenses for various shit around your house and you might find a ##stm32 chatter mentioned
2017-07-12T04:42:53 < upgrdman> i take it neither of those would be as fast as memcpy'ing from a struct to a uint8_t buffer[] ?
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2017-07-12T04:56:38 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/T3YkuSJ.gifv
2017-07-12T04:58:38 < tpw_rules> casting is the fastest
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2017-07-12T07:10:59 < crt> identify bangarang
2017-07-12T07:26:24 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/8hztonqcwz8z.jpg
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2017-07-12T08:12:09 < Thorn> fucking hell, waster 2 hours on SPI
2017-07-12T08:13:15 < Thorn> turns out if you do a 32-bit write to DR in F0 it will transfer 2 bytes in 8-bit mode, unlike F4
2017-07-12T08:17:17 < upgrdman> R2COM: http://i.imgur.com/PytibVM.gifv
2017-07-12T08:17:26 < upgrdman> oh fuck hes not here yet
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2017-07-12T08:24:00 < dongs> sup doges
2017-07-12T08:24:06 < dongs> kickstarter life is gr8
2017-07-12T08:25:25 < dongs>  /msg nickserv ghost crt
2017-07-12T08:30:19 < Thorn> >When the data frame size fits into one byte (less than or equal to 8 bits), data packing is used automatically when any read or write 16-bit access is performed on the SPIx_DR register.
2017-07-12T08:31:09 < crt> im coning senpai
2017-07-12T08:31:41 < Thorn> spi->DR = 0x9f; spi->DR = 0x00; wait for RXNE; uint16_t tmp = spi->DR; wait for RXNE; tmp = spi->DR;
2017-07-12T08:31:43 < Thorn> guess what this does
2017-07-12T08:31:51 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KlXDqlTj/IMG_0425.JPG
2017-07-12T08:36:56 < crt> how long until they blow-it-up
2017-07-12T08:37:41 < Thorn> A specific problem appears if an odd number of such “fit into one byte” data frames must be handled. On the transmitter side, writing the last data frame of any odd sequence with an 8-bit access to SPIx_DR is enough. The receiver has to change the Rx_FIFO threshold level for the last data frame received in the odd sequence of frames in order to generate the RXNE event.
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2017-07-12T08:57:14 < dongs> Thorn:   why not just do (uint8_t)SPI->DR
2017-07-12T08:59:41 < Thorn> you can set SPI_CR2_FRXTH and do 8-bit DR reads and writes and pretend there is no fifo
2017-07-12T08:59:43 < Thorn> it's just inefficient
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2017-07-12T09:01:59 < dongs> whats the problem anyway
2017-07-12T09:02:04 < dongs> i recall on F3 you HAD to set spi fifo shit
2017-07-12T09:02:07 < dongs> or else reads would be gay
2017-07-12T09:02:09 < dongs> but thats all
2017-07-12T09:02:14 < dongs> i didnt have to specialcase 8/16bit reads
2017-07-12T09:02:15 < crt> hmm
2017-07-12T09:07:10 < jpa-> upgrdman, dongs: with packed structs, it is repeatable enough
2017-07-12T09:07:58 < jpa-> (and also very much obvious, only endianess varies but who uses big-endian anyway)
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2017-07-12T09:33:11 < Thorn> https://cs7056.userapi.com/c816228/u5057566/docs/3b8ceded3084/catism.gif
2017-07-12T09:34:17 < upgrdman> jpa-, any idea how universal the order of bitfields are? i know on lpc1768 if i do struct {bool foo:1; bar:1; baz:1}; that foo is bit0, bar is bit1, and baz is bit2. but no idea if LSBit-to-MSBit ordering is common or tied to endianness or what.
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2017-07-12T09:44:19 < dongs> upgrdman: just fuking dont man
2017-07-12T09:44:30 < dongs> bitfields in structs is 100% compiler dependent
2017-07-12T09:44:50 < upgrdman> i use them all the time and they work fine
2017-07-12T09:45:21 < dongs> yes, but now  youre trying to pack the shit in a specific way
2017-07-12T09:45:24 < dongs> which isnt gonna work
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2017-07-12T09:49:42 < upgrdman> dongs, ?
2017-07-12T09:50:15 < upgrdman> its very consitent, at least with lpc1768+lpcxpresso. its *always* LSBit-first for bitfields, at least in packed structs.
2017-07-12T09:50:45 < upgrdman> i know it could change if i change compilers, but short of that, are you saying it could change?
2017-07-12T09:54:18 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: http://en.cppreference.com/w/c/language/bit_field packing is not guaranteed
2017-07-12T09:54:23 < PaulFertser> According to standard
2017-07-12T09:54:46 < PaulFertser> But it shouldn't change if you're not changing your compiler.
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2017-07-12T09:55:06 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-07-12T09:55:37 < upgrdman> any idea if gcc has flags to "force" consistant packing order?
2017-07-12T09:56:00 < PaulFertser> pragma forces packing
2017-07-12T09:56:49 < upgrdman>  #pragma pack ?
2017-07-12T09:56:49 < PaulFertser> Or __attribute__((aligned)) is a GCC-specific syntax
2017-07-12T09:57:32 < PaulFertser> I think https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14179748/whats-the-difference-between-pragma-pack-and-attribute-aligned makes sense. If you force packing, the order of bitfields is also consistent.
2017-07-12T09:58:06 < PaulFertser> Regarding endianness, hard to tell, probably jpa- knows. But do you plan on porting to MIPS or something?
2017-07-12T10:00:18 < PaulFertser> "
2017-07-12T10:00:18 < PaulFertser> 	
2017-07-12T10:00:19 < PaulFertser> Yeah, the GCC, for instance, specifically notes that bitfields are arranged as per the ABI, not the implementation."
2017-07-12T10:01:00 < upgrdman> im thinking about writing a tool. i often need to send structs to the pc. so far i have manually tested and figure out how things are laid out in my packed struct.
2017-07-12T10:01:16 < upgrdman> what i want my tool to do is automated comments like this:
2017-07-12T10:01:51 < upgrdman> struct {uint8_t foo; // byte0       uint8_t bar; // byte1        uint16_t baz; // bytes2-3};
2017-07-12T10:02:19 < upgrdman> so that i can see from the firmware comments where each element will be, to help with writing the pc software
2017-07-12T10:04:35 < PaulFertser> Probably a more robust appoach would be to use some serialisation method which would do compile-time code generation for both sides of the link.
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2017-07-12T10:05:15 < upgrdman> hmm
2017-07-12T10:06:53 < fest> is nanopb maintained by jpa-?
2017-07-12T10:08:51 < fest> I've been tempted to use it on more than one occasion but it always seemed like: oh, I just have these two types of messages, it will be easy to (de)serialize them by hand
2017-07-12T10:10:29 < fest> jpa-: nanopb doesn't do framing, right?
2017-07-12T10:13:13 < Steffanx> Ya, jpa- is nanopbs daddy
2017-07-12T10:13:14 < PaulFertser> Last time I used it, nanopb worked just fine, framing is protocol-specific.
2017-07-12T10:13:19 < PaulFertser> So no framing integrated, yes.
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2017-07-12T10:31:37 < upgrdman> it so funny seeing how the locals react to this girl as she walks around china  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOZUBk4ETO0
2017-07-12T10:32:29 < upgrdman> no
2017-07-12T10:32:38 < upgrdman> lol no
2017-07-12T10:33:01 < upgrdman> honestly if she didnt have those OBVIOUSLY fake tits i think she would look better
2017-07-12T10:33:24 < upgrdman> i mean wtf. if you're going to fake them, at least make them plausable
2017-07-12T10:34:39 < upgrdman> <R2COM> don't worry babe, i have vodka, you'll be attractive soon enough. *gulp*
2017-07-12T10:41:27 < dongs> ugh
2017-07-12T10:41:30 < dongs> what a stupid cunt
2017-07-12T10:41:33 < dongs> thats a man btw
2017-07-12T10:41:37 < dongs> kthxbai
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2017-07-12T10:44:32 < dongs> clicked dislike
2017-07-12T10:44:36 < dongs> gross
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2017-07-12T10:50:42 < PaulFertser> https://pastebin.com/V3474kYs says she's GG
2017-07-12T10:51:15 < Steffanx> Boring.
2017-07-12T10:51:24 < PaulFertser> I'm surprised she's using RoR and not some PHP shit, given her "maker skills".
2017-07-12T10:52:16 < Steffanx> RoR is much more hipster imho
2017-07-12T10:59:55 < Steffanx> Did ##stm32 infect you PaulFertser . You seem more negative than you were before
2017-07-12T10:59:59 < Steffanx> ?
2017-07-12T11:03:30 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I do not think so, no. I am just honestly disappointed by people doing really silly things and then pretending they're actually engineering something considerable. I'd prefer her to contribute something to OpenOCD, then I'd be more positive about her skills.
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2017-07-12T11:05:02 < PaulFertser> Agreed. But I'm not talking about useless trash.
2017-07-12T11:07:22 < dongs> time to put R2commie on ignore
2017-07-12T11:07:28 < dongs> for constant trolling
2017-07-12T11:07:32 < dongs> amirite y/y/y
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2017-07-12T11:13:27 < Steffanx> Yes [✓] No [  ]
2017-07-12T11:14:06 < Steffanx> But you are the only reason he is here dongs  (his words) :D
2017-07-12T11:14:11 < dongs> right
2017-07-12T11:14:18 < dongs> but constant abuse is getting tiresome
2017-07-12T11:17:54 < dongs> its like hes not getting enough hitpoints in CS:GO or soemthing
2017-07-12T11:18:00 < dongs> so hes taking the frustration out on chatters on irc
2017-07-12T11:18:08 < dongs> BAM BAM BAM
2017-07-12T11:18:24 < dongs> this is kidna dangerous tho because next thing hes gonna do is shoot up cypress office
2017-07-12T11:18:29 < dongs> when someone tells him somethign he doesnt like
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2017-07-12T11:22:52 < upgrdman> from paul's link: "*Are your boobs real?
2017-07-12T11:22:52 < upgrdman> No. They are 800cc cohesive gel implants. I have had no problems with them."
2017-07-12T11:22:57 < upgrdman> lol, 800mL
2017-07-12T11:23:03 < upgrdman> so 100% fake
2017-07-12T11:23:36 < upgrdman> she's said in earlier videos that she was super flat before getting them
2017-07-12T11:23:45 < upgrdman> no joke, damn
2017-07-12T11:24:33 < daey> the double standards :'D
2017-07-12T11:24:56 < upgrdman> R2COM, agreed. i'd much prefer natural, even if small.
2017-07-12T11:25:25 < upgrdman> i kinda wonder if she has "daddy issues" or something
2017-07-12T11:25:34 < upgrdman> she went really extreme
2017-07-12T11:26:19 < jpa-> fest: no framing, seems everyone wants a different way of framing anyway
2017-07-12T11:26:53 < jpa-> upgrdman: bitfields are somewhat nonstandard, though IIRC with gcc/clang they are somewhat reliably same on different plats
2017-07-12T11:27:05 < upgrdman> ok nice
2017-07-12T11:28:22 < jpa-> upgrdman: but the bigger problem is usually if your firmware + pc software are ever upgraded, you'll have to be very careful how to extend the structs
2017-07-12T11:28:37 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-12T11:28:47 < upgrdman> learned that the hard way a couple years ago
2017-07-12T11:28:55 < upgrdman> "FUCK FUCK FUCK not its not aligned"
2017-07-12T11:29:00 < upgrdman> now its not*
2017-07-12T11:32:22 < jpa-> upgrading protocols is a thing protobuf handles very well, but on the other hand it is significantly more complex than structs
2017-07-12T11:33:23 < daey> urg while reading that pastebin via lynx...i think i've seen pics of her before =D. is that the girl with big tits+ blinking led arduino things?
2017-07-12T11:33:45 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-12T11:33:51 < upgrdman> shes been on Dick-A-Day a few times
2017-07-12T11:34:18 < upgrdman> daey, https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg
2017-07-12T11:34:46 < daey> yeah i would have googled to verify. but @work atm.
2017-07-12T11:35:33 < upgrdman> how is daey pronounced? like day?
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2017-07-12T12:42:43 < crt> idk
2017-07-12T12:53:01 < dongs> 17:24 < R2COM> as long as they are *girls*
2017-07-12T12:53:01 < dongs> 17:24 < R2COM> and not ugly
2017-07-12T12:53:06 < dongs> so that bitch fails both of these things
2017-07-12T12:57:38 < crt> oh crap
2017-07-12T13:00:18 < karlp> upgrdman wants IDL and corba ;)
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2017-07-12T13:25:00 < Steffanx> A standard defined by the OMG. There you go...
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2017-07-12T13:38:49 < dongs> god damn. china. is amazing
2017-07-12T13:39:01 < dongs> i'm looking at like
2017-07-12T13:39:04 < dongs> 50x25cm pcb
2017-07-12T13:39:06 < dongs> with
2017-07-12T13:39:17 < dongs> like 500 parts on it
2017-07-12T13:39:22 < dongs> routed all on SINGLE LAYER
2017-07-12T13:39:29 < dongs> and its all manual
2017-07-12T13:41:56 < sync> nice
2017-07-12T13:45:38 < PaulFertser> pics please
2017-07-12T14:04:36 < tpw_rules> how many of them are 0 ohm resistors
2017-07-12T14:04:41 < dongs> tpw, zero
2017-07-12T14:05:07 < tpw_rules> for realsies?
2017-07-12T14:05:14 < tpw_rules> fuck
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2017-07-12T14:21:26 < qyx> karlp: I am either missing something basic or using it in a wrong way
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2017-07-12T14:21:41 < qyx> I cannot get it to fire an interrupt or at least set the flag
2017-07-12T14:22:14 < qyx> ADC itself is working using dma and getting correct data
2017-07-12T14:22:38 < qyx> I will check if I can get the AWD output signal mapped to a timer trigger input
2017-07-12T14:22:47 < qyx> and grab it using a CC or whatever
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2017-07-12T14:32:06 < karlp> one sec, I had something dumb with awd too at first, let me go dig it up
2017-07-12T14:33:28 < karlp> needed adc_enable_analog_watchdog_on_selected_channel(ADC1, 5);
2017-07-12T14:33:29 < karlp> 488	488	 		adc_enable_analog_watchdog_regular(ADC1);
2017-07-12T14:33:33 < karlp> not just the first one.
2017-07-12T14:33:39 < karlp> (I found that unintuitive)
2017-07-12T14:33:58 < karlp> had to go back to the ref man and see what those old adc functions were trying to do :|
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2017-07-12T15:51:36 < mitrax> uh oh chinagirl intercepted a clone before shipping
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2017-07-12T16:31:03 < Steffanx> mitrax also had a chinagirl?
2017-07-12T16:31:13 < Steffanx> Damn, i need one too i guess
2017-07-12T16:34:21 < mitrax> it's the same one :p
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2017-07-12T16:55:57 < Rob235> could sparkfun shipping be any slower?
2017-07-12T16:59:47 < mitrax> does anyone know a good source (i.e low prices) for tantalum capacitors? besides mouser/tme/rs/farnell/future/arrow/avnet/digikey
2017-07-12T17:23:48 < qyx> karlp: I tried both selected channel and all channels options, with that enable...regular call too, didn't help
2017-07-12T17:23:59 < qyx> I will investigate it later
2017-07-12T17:32:59 < Laurenceb_> sparkfun... why
2017-07-12T17:36:40 < Thorn> how do I flush SPI RX FIFO on F1
2017-07-12T17:38:00 < Laurenceb_> I know this...
2017-07-12T17:38:03 < Laurenceb_> but forgot
2017-07-12T17:38:05 < karlp> f1 doesn't have a fifo does it?
2017-07-12T17:39:38 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/Silabs/si446x.c
2017-07-12T17:39:53 < Laurenceb_> void si446x_busy_wait_send_receive
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2017-07-12T17:58:16 < Thorn> *f0
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2017-07-12T18:12:20 < englishman> mitrax: chinagirl has them
2017-07-12T18:12:21 < englishman> :)
2017-07-12T18:22:18 < mitrax> englishman: unfortunately not those i'm after... some low ESR 10% shit... they're $2/piece :(
2017-07-12T18:22:44 < englishman> it has to be tant? what's the purpose of em?
2017-07-12T18:23:10 < englishman> specialist caps can be really $$$
2017-07-12T18:23:26 < englishman> hate that sometimes
2017-07-12T18:26:00 < mitrax> yeah... well it's a customer requesting them, he has a board with a DCDC module and the ceramic cap he put initially sort of exploded (some resonance issue) so he switched to a tantalum, i don't know the details
2017-07-12T18:27:30 < dongs> sounds like a shit design
2017-07-12T18:27:41 < mitrax> probably
2017-07-12T18:27:45 < englishman> and xy problem
2017-07-12T18:29:03 < englishman> dongs any reply on that silicone thing
2017-07-12T18:29:13 < englishman> they wanna order like yesterday
2017-07-12T18:29:23 < englishman> dono if i should start looking around for silicone pros
2017-07-12T18:29:51 < dongs> yes
2017-07-12T18:29:59 < dongs> if they had some specs, they could stick a fucking grommet on there
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2017-07-12T18:30:16 < dongs> http://www.ql-rubber.com/Upload/rubbergrommet/OysterWhitesiliconegrommets-17580340297.JPG
2017-07-12T18:30:19 < dongs> like this kinda trash?
2017-07-12T18:31:08 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/bLJGnt9.png
2017-07-12T18:31:21 < englishman> i got drawings
2017-07-12T18:31:26 < dongs> just now?
2017-07-12T18:31:29 < englishman> yesterday
2017-07-12T18:31:47 < dongs> noted.
2017-07-12T18:31:51 < dongs> they said round one would be gay.
2017-07-12T18:31:53 < dongs> will pass this one along.
2017-07-12T18:32:03 < englishman> thanks, also have rest of spec and STEP model
2017-07-12T18:32:14 < dongs> well, that wouldnt do anygood
2017-07-12T18:32:19 < dongs> thsi would be whawtever offteh shelf shit
2017-07-12T18:32:20 < dongs> that they  can get
2017-07-12T18:32:23 < englishman> yeah
2017-07-12T18:33:00 < englishman> if custom is necessary i could find some silicone mould place
2017-07-12T18:33:00 < kakimir> what are you using silicone grommets for?
2017-07-12T18:33:08 < kakimir> instead of just rubber
2017-07-12T18:33:13 < englishman> dust ingress
2017-07-12T18:33:18 < englishman> no idea
2017-07-12T18:36:28 < kakimir> grommets are used to avoid wires moving around causing insulation to wear off
2017-07-12T18:36:41 < dongs> better use a row of SMA connectors
2017-07-12T18:36:45 < dongs> if you wanna protect fromduts
2017-07-12T18:37:07 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-12T18:37:15 < kakimir> solid connection to wall
2017-07-12T18:39:42 < kakimir> what you use silicone grommets for? high temps?
2017-07-12T18:41:59 < karlp> or food
2017-07-12T18:43:13 < kakimir> it needs to be wood grade silicone
2017-07-12T18:43:18 < kakimir> food*
2017-07-12T18:43:22 < kakimir> :|
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2017-07-12T18:47:08 < Laurenceb_> silicone is rage inducing
2017-07-12T18:47:19 < Laurenceb_> impossible to join or bond to
2017-07-12T18:51:41 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-12T18:55:22 < kakimir> that is why it physically locks to plate
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2017-07-12T20:22:37 < kakimir> finding good chinese func gen seems to be impossible task
2017-07-12T20:22:46 < kakimir> every single one has flaw in their function
2017-07-12T20:22:58 < kakimir> that I have looked into
2017-07-12T20:23:10 < kakimir> *dual channeö
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2017-07-12T20:26:23 < kakimir> pay 3x money and get siglent that doesn't have those flaws in basic functionality
2017-07-12T20:26:29 < kakimir> :/
2017-07-12T20:26:35 < kakimir> also matches specs
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2017-07-12T20:26:51 < kakimir> *better than those cheaper ones
2017-07-12T20:30:05 < Thorn> sdg2000x
2017-07-12T20:32:16 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-12T20:32:55 < karlp> what are the flaws that you consider critical?
2017-07-12T20:33:04 < karlp> they've all got strengths and weaknesses
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2017-07-12T20:35:19 < kakimir> there is problems with channel syncing
2017-07-12T20:35:45 < kakimir> there is problems with accuracy of functions
2017-07-12T20:36:23 < kakimir> you set in parameters and func.gen. fails to follow those parameters
2017-07-12T20:36:52 < kakimir> one model turns both channels on when power is turned on
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2017-07-12T20:38:27 < kakimir> little flaws they don't care to fix
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2017-07-12T20:42:31 < kakimir> and I don't believe they or anyone bother to deliver a fix to binary
2017-07-12T20:45:35 < kakimir> I think I try to find a second hand siglent
2017-07-12T20:51:09 < Thorn> this fake kester solder has really acrid smoke
2017-07-12T20:51:40 < Thorn> I wonder if real kester is like that
2017-07-12T20:53:59 < Thorn> *flux
2017-07-12T20:55:27 < kakimir> hmm uni-t has arb wavf gens
2017-07-12T20:56:21 < kakimir> starting from around 200
2017-07-12T20:56:37 < kakimir> looks way better than chinese ones in generic enclosures
2017-07-12T20:56:55 < kakimir> not saying that uni-t wasn't chinese
2017-07-12T21:02:17 < upgrdman> what kind of specs are you looking for.
2017-07-12T21:02:30 < jpa-> zyp: hmm, microsoft message analyzer is actually pretty nice - it allows me to add both NDIS debug info and USB trace into same log view
2017-07-12T21:02:50 < jpa-> so i can see both the high-level req and low-level transfer easily
2017-07-12T21:06:08 < kakimir> upgrdman: maybe some 20mhz sine
2017-07-12T21:06:18 < kakimir> non distorted sine
2017-07-12T21:06:31 < kakimir> 10mhz square
2017-07-12T21:06:50 < upgrdman> define non-distorted. 50dB SFDR?
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2017-07-12T21:13:51 < kakimir> you know when chinese func gen sine distorts 1/3 way up the frequency range
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2017-07-12T21:14:36 < kakimir> looking like some shark fin
2017-07-12T21:19:52 < kakimir> that is what I'm first trying to avoid
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2017-07-12T21:46:28 < Steffanx> What do you want to use it for kakimir?
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2017-07-12T21:51:02 < Thorn> uni-t is shit with probability 96%
2017-07-12T21:52:59 < Laurenceb_> hurhurhur brexit hurhur hur drumpf amirite
2017-07-12T21:53:13 < Steffanx> Stop drugs Laurenceb_
2017-07-12T21:57:06 < Laurenceb_> Trump fans and critics are respectfully connecting on Reddit
2017-07-12T21:57:23 < Laurenceb_> MAGA, praise kek
2017-07-12T21:58:31 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_: i repeat: Laurenceb_ stop drugs
2017-07-12T21:59:07 < kakimir> put him out of his missery
2017-07-12T21:59:30 < Steffanx> i wont move to the uk any time soon
2017-07-12T21:59:31 < kakimir> he is clearly fatally sick
2017-07-12T22:01:31 < sync> Steffanx: the advice is, either take half or double the amount
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2017-07-12T22:15:43 < Steffanx> achso
2017-07-12T22:16:26 < inca> greets
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2017-07-12T22:17:21 < sync> kakimir: how far away are you from rovaniemi
2017-07-12T22:18:06 < kakimir> 400km
2017-07-12T22:18:21 < sync> hmm
2017-07-12T22:18:35 < kakimir> okay on road closer to 500
2017-07-12T22:18:36 < kakimir> why?
2017-07-12T22:19:04 < Steffanx> Only a few hours drive...
2017-07-12T22:19:27 < sync> just asking
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2017-07-12T22:31:10 < kakimir> phones use step-down conversion for charging right?
2017-07-12T22:39:19 < Laurenceb_> grrr driving theory test is no fun
2017-07-12T22:39:29 < Laurenceb_> 90% pass level
2017-07-12T22:39:43 < sync> so?
2017-07-12T22:39:54 < sync> you passed that like 15 years ago?
2017-07-12T22:40:05 < BrainDamage> most people around manage to do it fine?
2017-07-12T22:40:25 < BrainDamage> are you confused by the lack of equations in the questions?
2017-07-12T22:40:47 < Steffanx> I fail the real driving test a few times :P
2017-07-12T22:40:48 < Laurenceb_> lul
2017-07-12T22:40:51 < Steffanx> *failed
2017-07-12T22:41:12 < Laurenceb_>  "what is the speed limit for type x vehicle on type y road"
2017-07-12T22:41:13 < Laurenceb_> etc
2017-07-12T22:41:29 < Laurenceb_> just annoying rote learning of bazillion combinations of stuff
2017-07-12T22:41:35 < Steffanx> a PHDer cant learn that?
2017-07-12T22:41:50 < Laurenceb_> used to be 60% pass level so you could guess it and pass
2017-07-12T22:42:02 < Laurenceb_> I don't do rote learning
2017-07-12T22:42:04 < sync> well you are dutch Steffanx
2017-07-12T22:42:13 < Steffanx> yes sync .. ?
2017-07-12T22:42:19 < Steffanx> 99% is learn to forget, so ... what is hte issue Laurenceb_?
2017-07-12T22:42:27 < sync> I mean, you only get yellow plates when you fail the test, so ;)
2017-07-12T22:43:18 < Steffanx> Sorry, i still miss the joke. Im not sure what a yellow plate mean in non-dutch countries
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2017-07-12T22:44:00 < sync> no
2017-07-12T22:44:10 < sync> the joke is that all dutch cars have yellow plates
2017-07-12T22:44:11 < Steffanx> or are you referring to the non-fact that dutchies cant drive? :P
2017-07-12T22:44:35 < sync> yeah, and the joke implies that all dutchbois failed their driving test
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2017-07-12T22:45:08 < Steffanx> its actually a pretty serious test. And not everyone fails it, but many do ;)
2017-07-12T22:45:33 < sync> I passed the car and moto test on my first try
2017-07-12T22:45:45 < sync> 0 errors as well in the theory test
2017-07-12T22:45:46 < Laurenceb_> I can sit theory test multiple times
2017-07-12T22:45:49 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-07-12T22:45:50 < sync> for whatever reason
2017-07-12T22:46:05 < Laurenceb_> I can't get >80% on this stupid shit
2017-07-12T22:46:13 < Steffanx> Do you have this beginners drivers license in germany?
2017-07-12T22:46:24 < sync> you can get the license with 17
2017-07-12T22:46:47 < Steffanx> and then you can only drive with someone with x years of experience ,.. ?
2017-07-12T22:46:54 < sync> yes
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2017-07-12T22:47:07 < Steffanx> but that does not apply to 18+? ( that sounds familiar )
2017-07-12T22:47:23 < BrainDamage> when i had the license test it had 60 questions divided in blocks of 10 per topic and you had at most 5 errors global or 3 per section
2017-07-12T22:47:35 < BrainDamage> that makes for approx 90% success
2017-07-12T22:47:41 < sync> yes Steffanx
2017-07-12T22:47:54 < sync> I think you can have only 5 failure points here
2017-07-12T22:48:02 < sync> which is like 3 questions or one big one
2017-07-12T22:48:18 < Laurenceb_> tiem to revise all the stupid shit :-/
2017-07-12T22:48:19 < Steffanx> Here you can also only fail like 10%.
2017-07-12T22:48:25 < Steffanx> HOW CAN YOU NOT DO THAT Laurenceb_.
2017-07-12T22:48:26 < sync> out of 100 questions or something like that
2017-07-12T22:48:28 < Steffanx> even i could.
2017-07-12T22:48:38 < sync> it is fucking easy Laurenceb_
2017-07-12T22:48:42 < sync> use goddamn common sense
2017-07-12T22:48:54 < Steffanx> you know we have to remember you about this very often now... dont you Laurenceb_?
2017-07-12T22:48:59 < Steffanx> you gave us trollware.
2017-07-12T22:49:15 < Laurenceb_> trollware lul
2017-07-12T22:49:40 < sync> but then there are asshole questions like "How to drive most efficiently: a) Use kickdown. b) Upshift early c) Stay long in every gear"
2017-07-12T22:50:07 < kakimir> kickdown
2017-07-12T22:50:13 < sync> yeah always
2017-07-12T22:50:32 < Laurenceb_> lul yeah uk test is full of weird questions like that
2017-07-12T22:50:38 < kakimir> see your cars low performance in it's limits and dissapoint every time
2017-07-12T22:51:00 < sync> the limiter has to be used every trip
2017-07-12T22:51:07 < sync> to be sure it works properly
2017-07-12T22:51:12 < sync> for when you need it
2017-07-12T22:51:15 < Steffanx> Common sense something Laurenceb_ does not have obviously.
2017-07-12T22:51:52 < Steffanx> i thought you already owned a car and drove around in it, mr Laurenceb_
2017-07-12T22:51:58 < Steffanx> Some corsa
2017-07-12T22:52:09 < kakimir> it's better for those who live in germany
2017-07-12T22:52:13 < Laurenceb_> yeah but I only have provisional license
2017-07-12T22:52:40 < Steffanx> How on earth can you drive around without passing the basic theory test?!
2017-07-12T22:52:54 < kakimir> everywhere else there is arbitrary limitations
2017-07-12T22:53:07 < BrainDamage> here you can't get prov license without passing theory first
2017-07-12T22:53:09 < Laurenceb_> oh shit
2017-07-12T22:53:16 < Laurenceb_> maybe I can't
2017-07-12T22:53:21 < Laurenceb_> oh well who cares
2017-07-12T22:53:34 < BrainDamage> or maybe you're just bullshitting us
2017-07-12T22:53:48 < Steffanx> Trolling with fake trollware -_-
2017-07-12T22:55:13 < sync> Steffanx: do you also have that two step motorcycle license?
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2017-07-12T22:58:13 < Steffanx> Yes and no. There are 2 versions, but it all depends on your age which one you can get ( and years of experience )
2017-07-12T22:58:20 < Steffanx> Actually 3 i see
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2017-07-12T23:00:51 < kakimir> we have 3 step motorcycle licence
2017-07-12T23:01:04 < kakimir> you need to pay and age to get those numbers go up
2017-07-12T23:01:15 < Steffanx> 125cc/11kw, 35kw and unlimited?
2017-07-12T23:01:20 < kakimir> at final phase number is removed
2017-07-12T23:01:26 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-12T23:01:31 < sync> the fuck, this 11kW thing is new to me
2017-07-12T23:01:33 < BrainDamage> 2 step here
2017-07-12T23:01:45 < kakimir> sync: "light motorcycle"
2017-07-12T23:02:05 < sync> 111kW would be ok
2017-07-12T23:02:06 < BrainDamage> but your license is auto upgraded as you have 3y driving experience
2017-07-12T23:03:21 < Steffanx> I guess it's partially based on EU rules.
2017-07-12T23:03:32 < englishman> time to get swiss license then
2017-07-12T23:03:46 < englishman> or kosovar license
2017-07-12T23:04:27 < Steffanx> Or ukland
2017-07-12T23:04:42 < englishman> apparently its too hard for a phd to get a drivers license
2017-07-12T23:05:12 < englishman> multiple-choice test and <30 minutes of following verbal instructions is too much :/
2017-07-12T23:05:40 < BrainDamage> well, considering he doesn't even know if he has a provisional driving license or not, that shows how much he's trolling or he understood anything about it
2017-07-12T23:05:49 < BrainDamage> but I'm going on a shit troll
2017-07-12T23:05:53 < englishman> well
2017-07-12T23:06:02 < englishman> imo living in a place like london and driving a car
2017-07-12T23:06:06 < englishman> is a silly thing
2017-07-12T23:06:19 < BrainDamage> that's unrelated?
2017-07-12T23:07:19 < englishman> might shed some light on the frequency that laurent has to concern himself with drivey thingies
2017-07-12T23:08:33 < englishman> this nucleo board is of shit quality
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2017-07-12T23:08:48 < englishman> dirty flux everywhere and horrible silkscreen
2017-07-12T23:08:53 < englishman> st is dying
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2017-07-12T23:09:44 < kakimir> bought func gen
2017-07-12T23:09:50 < kakimir> jds6600 40mhz
2017-07-12T23:09:53 < kakimir> will see
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2017-07-12T23:31:20 < Steffanx> Wanna buy my 5MHz frency function generator too kakimir?
2017-07-12T23:32:50 < Steffanx> https://physique.ensc-rennes.fr/images/tp_oscilloscope_gbf/oscillo_gbf_images/images/img1.jpg such pro. have it somewhere, but no clue where :P
2017-07-12T23:33:00 < Steffanx> might even be in the trash bin
2017-07-12T23:33:49 < kakimir> I might give such to local hacklab
2017-07-12T23:34:09 < Steffanx> No, they suck.
2017-07-12T23:35:23 < kakimir> true
2017-07-12T23:35:34 < kakimir> nice frequencymeter though
2017-07-12T23:36:23 < kakimir> Steffanx: how much
2017-07-12T23:36:35 < Steffanx> shipping costs
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2017-07-12T23:37:34 < kakimir> that is too much
2017-07-12T23:37:39 < Fleck> :D
2017-07-12T23:37:46 < kakimir> some 30eur or so?
2017-07-12T23:38:05 < Steffanx> not even close i think
2017-07-12T23:38:10 < kakimir> maybe you func gen would have been enought for my purposes
2017-07-12T23:38:19 < kakimir> but I have paid jds6600 already
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2017-07-12T23:39:08 < Steffanx> if it's < 2kg its like 10e
2017-07-12T23:39:10 < Steffanx> with dhl
2017-07-12T23:39:15 < Steffanx> Waffle express.
2017-07-12T23:39:29 < Steffanx> but im not sure if its < 2kg
2017-07-12T23:39:32 < Steffanx> otherwise its 18e.
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2017-07-12T23:40:59 < kakimir> hmm
2017-07-12T23:41:13 < kakimir> why not
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2017-07-12T23:41:22 < kakimir> it's totally functional right?
2017-07-12T23:41:40 < Steffanx> it was kinda when last used it, which is ages ago
2017-07-12T23:41:51 < Steffanx> but you can fix when broken :P
2017-07-12T23:42:04 < kakimir> kinda?
2017-07-12T23:42:14 < Steffanx> kinda as in.. it should be
2017-07-12T23:42:19 < kakimir> something wrong with it but didn't know exactly what?
2017-07-12T23:42:38 < zyp> jpa-, sounds nice
2017-07-12T23:43:06 < Steffanx> i can ship it to you, you can see if it works, you can pay me. otherwise you dont :P
2017-07-12T23:43:26 < Steffanx> i would die from 10-18 more or less.
2017-07-12T23:43:28 < Steffanx> *wont
2017-07-12T23:44:50 < kakimir> maybe I will pass for now
2017-07-12T23:44:53 < Steffanx> ok
2017-07-12T23:45:06 < kakimir> I have enought stuff to repair and look into
2017-07-12T23:45:27 < Steffanx> i dont know if it needs repair, last time i used it is ... years ago
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2017-07-12T23:45:54 < Steffanx> its been somewhere on a shelf between then and .. now.
2017-07-12T23:46:06 < Fleck> ship to me Steffanx :D
2017-07-12T23:46:19 < Steffanx> ok
2017-07-12T23:46:21 < kakimir> Fleck needs it more than me
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2017-07-12T23:48:40 < kakimir> Steffanx: what is your current gear then?
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2017-07-12T23:53:04 < zyp> fucking useless internet connection
2017-07-12T23:53:16 < kakimir> LTE?
2017-07-12T23:53:18 < zyp> mosh somewhat works, and that's pretty much it
2017-07-12T23:53:42 < zyp> no, I think it's some sort of satellite, I'm on the ferry from helsinki to stockholm
2017-07-12T23:54:20 < kakimir> of ferry wifi?
2017-07-12T23:54:37 < zyp> yeah, too far from the coast to have LTE coverage
2017-07-12T23:54:46 < kakimir> at worst it will go bellow 100kbps when you leave shoresight
2017-07-12T23:54:50 < zyp> or phone coverage in general
2017-07-12T23:55:27 < zyp> even airplanes have better internet than this nowadays
2017-07-12T23:55:47 < kakimir> remember you have limited data
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2017-07-12T23:55:56 < zyp> which kinda makes sense, given that there's probably a lot more people on this boat sharing this connection, than on an airplane
2017-07-12T23:55:59 < kakimir> 1GB or so
2017-07-12T23:56:34 < kakimir> if you are in air you can contact terrestrial antennas
2017-07-12T23:57:02 < zyp> no, planes also use satellite
2017-07-12T23:57:07 < kakimir> if you are in ocean type of thing terrestrial antennas are beyond horizon
2017-07-12T23:57:18 < kakimir> at least above ocean
2017-07-12T23:57:28 < zyp> there's no terrestial networks with decent enough coverage for intercontinental flights
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2017-07-13T00:05:27 < BrainDamage> there's ham radios :J
2017-07-13T00:05:40 < BrainDamage> gotta share that 300bps with 300 passengers
2017-07-13T00:19:52 < Steffanx> I have no signal generator, never really needed it kakimir
2017-07-13T00:20:12 < Steffanx> Got it from my uni, it was supposed to be broken, but it wasnt
2017-07-13T00:20:26 < kakimir> it had some nasties in it?
2017-07-13T00:20:46 < kakimir> glitches, high voltage output glitches when switched or so?
2017-07-13T00:20:58 < Steffanx> Not. Probably some loose connection somewhere
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2017-07-13T01:02:16 < englishman> my address numbers are now powered by stm32 and lunix
2017-07-13T01:02:44 < ds2> can we login and change it?
2017-07-13T01:03:18 < ds2> or prehaps set it to slowly change 1 digit at a time slowly
2017-07-13T01:08:00 < englishman> set to turn off around peak pizza delivery hours
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2017-07-13T01:09:52 < Thorn> http://i.imgur.com/SW86lPR.jpg
2017-07-13T01:10:35 < englishman> hand soldered? Rely?
2017-07-13T01:11:03 < Thorn> I need a reflow oven
2017-07-13T01:12:01 < englishman> not too hard to make with some SSRs and tarduino
2017-07-13T01:12:22 < englishman> hand hot air works awesome too
2017-07-13T01:14:12 < Thorn> my hot air station blows components off even at lowest airflow setting
2017-07-13T01:14:18 < Thorn> :/
2017-07-13T01:14:37 < ds2> paint remover?
2017-07-13T01:16:33 < englishman> Paste
2017-07-13T01:16:38 < englishman> Use paste!
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2017-07-13T01:16:54 < Thorn> this shit but without the iron and display http://d3d71ba2asa5oz.cloudfront.net/33000337/images/15sds001-878-06_01.jpg
2017-07-13T01:17:02 < Thorn> I tried paste, it doesn't help
2017-07-13T01:17:40 < englishman> It should. Paste sticks to board. Parts stick to paste.
2017-07-13T01:18:21 < Thorn> then the air blows them off and they leave paste trails which melt and form tiny balls of solder
2017-07-13T01:18:32 < Thorn> all over the pcb
2017-07-13T01:19:10 < kakimir> I have 860 reflow station if I remember correctly
2017-07-13T01:19:31 < kakimir> it's okay
2017-07-13T01:20:06 < kakimir> should buy another for non-abuse
2017-07-13T01:20:09 < englishman> dono i have the same one as that, without iron
2017-07-13T01:20:13 < kakimir> and backup
2017-07-13T01:20:16 < englishman> works gr8
2017-07-13T01:20:19 < englishman> fan on 5-6
2017-07-13T01:21:26 < kakimir> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1a2IhKXXXXXa1XVXXq6xXFXXXi/858D-ESD-Soldering-font-b-Station-b-font-font-b-Hot-b-font-font-b-air.jpg mine looks like this
2017-07-13T01:21:40 < kakimir> hey there is heater in the photo.. will it fail at some point?
2017-07-13T01:21:43 < kakimir> also some rig
2017-07-13T01:22:25 < karlp> Thorn: I've got one "just like that" and it doesn't blow my shit away when it's on paste
2017-07-13T01:22:55 < kakimir> mine blows part away if higher power to fan is set
2017-07-13T01:23:12 < kakimir> or low power with significant angle to board surface
2017-07-13T01:23:48 < kakimir> is that reflow rig any use?
2017-07-13T01:26:12 < kakimir> okay mine is 868D
2017-07-13T01:26:16 < kakimir> no brand
2017-07-13T01:27:18 < kakimir> I need bigger hot air gun too
2017-07-13T01:27:21 < kakimir> with thermostat
2017-07-13T01:28:15 < kakimir> I saw one some proper brand and I was delighted to use it for jubb that needed under 250celsius
2017-07-13T01:28:53 < kakimir> any termperature - 2000w heater and 2 fan power settings
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2017-07-13T01:32:56 < Thorn> musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTY64aCziWc
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2017-07-13T01:39:14 < crt> Hello welcome!!
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2017-07-13T01:41:54 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-13T01:41:55 < kakimir> hello
2017-07-13T01:43:40 < kakimir> start building dyson sphere crt
2017-07-13T01:44:04 < kakimir> the ultimate goal
2017-07-13T01:44:34 < kakimir> in solar dream
2017-07-13T01:46:00 < crt> N
2017-07-13T01:46:13 < crt> James Dyson is a murderer
2017-07-13T01:46:21 < kakimir> really?
2017-07-13T01:46:34 < kakimir> stop the murder crt
2017-07-13T01:46:42 < crt> Fucking Dyson
2017-07-13T01:47:37 < crt> Do you want cyclones?
2017-07-13T01:47:47 < crt> Do you want $1000 vacuum!
2017-07-13T01:48:00 < kakimir> no
2017-07-13T01:48:06 < crt> JDPD
2017-07-13T01:48:30 < kakimir> those products are fashion items
2017-07-13T01:48:52 < crt> Dyson is pig disgusting
2017-07-13T01:49:14 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_Dyson
2017-07-13T01:49:26 < kakimir> you got the wrong guy anyways
2017-07-13T01:50:17 < kakimir> who did dyson murderer?
2017-07-13T01:50:19 < englishman> https://royalsociety.org/~/media/people/fellows/DYS00003-James-Dyson.jpg?w=300
2017-07-13T01:51:18 < kakimir> #billionarelooks
2017-07-13T01:52:48 < kakimir> if you are not billionare you would be totally fag wearing outrageous eyewear
2017-07-13T02:12:08 < crt> JAMES
2017-07-13T02:12:24 < crt> THE MURDERER
2017-07-13T02:12:30 < crt> I HAVE DIABEETIS
2017-07-13T02:12:44 < crt> Stffn did it 2 me
2017-07-13T02:13:49 < kakimir> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Electric-Hot-Air-Gun-LODESTAR-LCD-Digital-Temperature-controlled-Adjustable-Heat-IC-SMD-Welding-Tools-with/32771144198 I bought this
2017-07-13T02:14:06 < kakimir> should do better jobb with bigger heat shrinks without burning wires
2017-07-13T02:14:27 < crt> Yeah mate
2017-07-13T02:14:33 < kakimir> film aplication jubbs and other
2017-07-13T02:14:44 < crt> Just gotta give it a wiggle
2017-07-13T02:15:01 < crt> Crude method of temperature cuntroll
2017-07-13T02:17:51 < kakimir> http://static2.motonet.fi/img/3/384097/500/384097.jpg what is this fuse called in english?
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2017-07-13T03:10:53 < Thorn> is open logic sniffer still relevant?
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2017-07-13T03:26:33 < upgrdman_> Thorn, i used it in the past, but found the Analog Discovery to be a much better tool (but sadly, it has VERY little sample memory)
2017-07-13T03:26:58 < Thorn> that thing only has 2 channels iirc?
2017-07-13T03:27:11 < upgrdman_> for log anal? 16
2017-07-13T03:27:15 < upgrdman_> for oscope? 2
2017-07-13T03:27:40 < Thorn> oh ok I confused it with adalm1000
2017-07-13T03:27:57 < upgrdman_> it's 100MSPS for the log anal
2017-07-13T03:28:08 < upgrdman_> iirc the OWLS is 200MSPS
2017-07-13T03:28:16 < upgrdman_> but that's never been a limit for me
2017-07-13T03:28:49 < upgrdman_> actually i think the new Analog Discover has even faster sample rate
2017-07-13T03:29:31 < upgrdman_> o nm, it's the Digital Discovery that can go super fast
2017-07-13T03:29:45 < upgrdman_> Analog Discovery is:
2017-07-13T03:30:01 < upgrdman_> Two-channel USB digital oscilloscope (1MΩ, ±25V, differential, 14-bit, 100MS/s, 30MHz+ bandwidth - with the Analog Discovery BNC Adapter Board)
2017-07-13T03:30:01 < upgrdman_> Two-channel arbitrary function generator (±5V, 14-bit, 100MS/s, 12MHz+ bandwidth - with the Analog Discovery BNC Adapter Board)
2017-07-13T03:30:01 < upgrdman_> Stereo audio amplifier to drive external headphones or speakers with replicated AWG signals
2017-07-13T03:30:01 < upgrdman_> 16-channel digital logic analyzer (3.3V CMOS and 1.8V or 5V tolerant, 100MS/s)
2017-07-13T03:30:02 < upgrdman_> 16-channel pattern generator (3.3V CMOS, 100MS/s)
2017-07-13T03:30:04 < upgrdman_> oops
2017-07-13T03:32:11 < upgrdman_> the Digital Discover can do: 32-channel digital logic analyzer (1.2…3.3V CMOS, 8 channels at 800MS/s*, 16 channels at 400MS/s*, and 32 channels at 200MS/s)
2017-07-13T03:34:43 < ds2> upgrdman_: how flexible is the interconnect between functions?
2017-07-13T03:35:06 < upgrdman_> not sure
2017-07-13T03:35:20 < upgrdman_> its not a pro tool, let me be clear. but it's great for random fuckery.
2017-07-13T03:35:50 < upgrdman_> if you want an all in one lab tool, iirc national instructments has some sexy stuff, priced accordingly
2017-07-13T03:36:34 < upgrdman_> but ya, i love my Analog Discovery for random breadboard learning.
2017-07-13T03:36:40 < ds2> it is a tempting tool to have with you
2017-07-13T03:37:10 < ds2> was wondering if it can do stuff like output the Oscope to the pattern generator
2017-07-13T03:37:54 < upgrdman_> the software has a demo mode with a simulated instrument. play with it and see if it does what you need.
2017-07-13T03:38:28 < ds2> is it an accurate simulation of the limitations?
2017-07-13T03:38:50 < upgrdman_> accurate enough
2017-07-13T03:39:13 < upgrdman_> but if you're pushing up against the spec's... you need a better tool.
2017-07-13T03:40:12 < ds2> yes but for debugging at remote places, it seems flexible enough
2017-07-13T03:41:40 < upgrdman_> and like i mentioned, the log anal sample memory is VERY small. i think just 4096 samples or something retarded like that.
2017-07-13T03:42:01 < upgrdman_> so you need to set up triggering properly
2017-07-13T03:42:21 < upgrdman_> i cant complain tho, i bought mine as a student back when they were $100 for usa students.
2017-07-13T03:47:08 < ds2> *nod*
2017-07-13T03:47:23 < ds2> compare it to that stm32 based pocketscope or a bitscope....
2017-07-13T03:48:07 < ds2> too bad no Android app
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2017-07-13T05:24:05 < crt> jihados
2017-07-13T06:01:09 < dongs> phoenix contact site is fucking worthless
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2017-07-13T06:20:08 < crt> the whole thing is shit
2017-07-13T06:20:24 < crt> just use the clones
2017-07-13T06:20:39 < dongs> i do, but i actually need them waterproof this time
2017-07-13T06:20:47 < dongs> i can only find "chinagirl clones'
2017-07-13T06:21:01 < dongs> but i remember seeing panelmount water proof shit which was same stuff as chinaclones
2017-07-13T06:21:34 < crt> fair
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2017-07-13T07:25:15 < dongs> englishman: cable guys say nothing similar
2017-07-13T07:25:21 < dongs> they *could* make a mold and shit
2017-07-13T07:25:27 < dongs> but its $$$$ and they better order thousands
2017-07-13T07:25:28 < dongs> etc
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2017-07-13T07:49:58 < dongs> any way tot quckly add ratwire between a net and no-net in altidumb
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2017-07-13T08:10:10 < emeb_mac> caught in the upholstery?
2017-07-13T08:11:00 < upgrdman> fucking chrome always wants to guess where to put a new bookmark. anyone know if you can force it to always put a new bookmark in the root folder?
2017-07-13T08:11:22 < upgrdman> seems like it uses the last folder, or maybe some guess, i dunno, but its ~always wrong.
2017-07-13T08:11:33 < emeb_mac> always
2017-07-13T08:12:02 < emeb_mac> I'm sure if you used IE or whatever MS is calling their browser today it would be much better
2017-07-13T08:12:12 < upgrdman> inorite
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2017-07-13T08:45:43 < Thorn> LDMATX and LDMARX bits just don't work wtf
2017-07-13T08:47:47 < Thorn> if I want to transmit say 11 bytes I set CNTDR to 6, set LDMATX and it transmits 12 bytes, and MOSI doesn't even seem to be driven during the last one (but there is clock)
2017-07-13T08:47:53 < Thorn> wtf
2017-07-13T08:48:41 < Thorn> (memory and periph transfer sizes are 16 bits, they call it "packing mode")
2017-07-13T08:49:13 < Thorn> I ended up using 8-bit transfers just like you would do on e. g. F4
2017-07-13T08:49:39 < Thorn> that works but the price is 2x dma transfers
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2017-07-13T09:45:18 < upgrdman> lolwut  https://i.redd.it/z4xzvoe8wa9z.jpg
2017-07-13T09:53:07 < Steffanx> No need to share that upgrdman
2017-07-13T09:53:14 < Steffanx> Unfunny fake crap
2017-07-13T09:53:30 < upgrdman> k
2017-07-13T09:53:33 < Steffanx> If when real it still is unfunny crap
2017-07-13T09:53:34 < Fleck> +1 Steffanx
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2017-07-13T10:12:36 < Thorn> http://coub.com/view/vutqw
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2017-07-13T10:20:19 < crt> fuck my ass
2017-07-13T10:20:43 < crt> bd81a04efv
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2017-07-13T10:29:31 < crt> the lcd backlight driver is pulling the fucking plug on the whole show!
2017-07-13T10:39:56 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-07-13T10:48:57 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://i.imgur.com/PytibVM.gifv
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2017-07-13T10:51:23 < crt> she said his cock smells like hooker's pussy!
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2017-07-13T11:14:58 < crt> toilet
2017-07-13T11:22:10 < crt> i could have cleaned out all the gangs and immigrants! I only did it for the good of the american people!
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2017-07-13T11:48:20 < ohsix> if uhh
2017-07-13T11:48:41 < ohsix> ah nm
2017-07-13T11:48:57 < ohsix> there's so much shit that i finally figure out / settle on as i'm typing a question :|
2017-07-13T11:49:27 < ohsix> alternator parts are a huge racket
2017-07-13T11:49:56 < ohsix> probably because they're actually so reliable, having one fail sucks balls though
2017-07-13T11:51:08 < ohsix> regulator has intermittent failure & voltage shoots up to 18v, i know just replacing it would fix it but i kind of want to cut it up first and see if how it failed is visible
2017-07-13T11:51:50 < ohsix> wtf is the wire coming out of some of these https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/271223657418_/New-Alternator-6g-Voltage-Regulator-Brush-Holder-For.jpg
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2017-07-13T11:54:30 < upgrdman> ohsix, ground wire
2017-07-13T11:54:47 < upgrdman> in case you cant trust the housing
2017-07-13T11:55:00 < upgrdman> e.g. if attached to painted surfaces
2017-07-13T11:55:28 < upgrdman> well thats a guess, but i dont see any other reason
2017-07-13T11:55:32 < ohsix> https://www.google.com/search?q=testing+alternator+regulator+out+of+car hah, a new google feature
2017-07-13T11:55:45 < ohsix> upgrdman: well the whole bottom is a plate at ground potential
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2017-07-13T11:57:05 < ohsix> am enough of a nerd that as soon as the battery light came on,  i put the voltage tester in the ligher socket, one i had on me :[
2017-07-13T11:59:30 < ohsix> overvoltage failure is weird
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2017-07-13T12:02:22 < ohsix> huh on the regulator i have the little port with the wire could only go to ground
2017-07-13T12:04:54 < ohsix> oh shit nevermind
2017-07-13T12:05:01 < ohsix> it locks the brushes back for install
2017-07-13T12:05:09 < ohsix> http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/4/7/3/2/9/2/webimg/777934027_o.jpg
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2017-07-13T13:38:38 < crt> Welcome Peter_M
2017-07-13T13:40:32 < Steffanx> Peter_M is alive \o/
2017-07-13T13:40:54 < crt> Ty
2017-07-13T13:41:03 < crt> I have diabeetus
2017-07-13T13:41:57 < crt> Steffanx: did you say hello welcome?
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2017-07-13T13:52:29 < Steffanx> Did i crt ?
2017-07-13T13:54:27 < crt> I heard someone say you like to fuck ducks
2017-07-13T13:54:46  * crt looks at mitrax
2017-07-13T13:57:34 < mitrax> crt: i have a false arm
2017-07-13T13:58:40 < mitrax> crt: my heard hurts :(
2017-07-13T13:58:45 < mitrax> err my HEAD hurts
2017-07-13T13:59:34 < crt> o/
2017-07-13T14:05:57 < crt> Who broke the fuckin laaaaaaaaamp
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2017-07-13T14:40:51 < Steffanx> Were you born this way or did the DJ stuff make you insane crt ?
2017-07-13T14:41:29 < Steffanx> I can imagine getting in touch with the stuff DJ spill on the equipment isnt very good for crts
2017-07-13T14:41:43 < Steffanx> *cojtact
2017-07-13T14:41:47 < Steffanx> Contact*
2017-07-13T14:41:49 < Steffanx> Damnit
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2017-07-13T15:52:50 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/l5CQBoR
2017-07-13T15:53:05 < Laurenceb_> yo dawg we herd u liek extreme political movements
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2017-07-13T15:57:30 < englishman> dongs: can I get a quote for the mould etc? I think they were expecting to make a custom part
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2017-07-13T16:40:39 < Laurenceb_> englishman: megabux
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2017-07-13T17:45:24 < gxti> just 3d print it bro
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2017-07-13T18:27:58 < englishman> Laurenceb_: for unemployed ukers, maybe
2017-07-13T18:28:27 < dongs> sup kickstarter bakers
2017-07-13T18:32:35 < dongs> is this top layer-vertical, bottom layer horizontal routing some kinda autorouter thing
2017-07-13T18:32:39 < dongs> looks way too insane to be human
2017-07-13T18:32:51 < dongs> or is that some kinda chinese manual routing strategy
2017-07-13T18:33:03 < englishman> that is typical routing strategy, no
2017-07-13T18:33:09 < englishman> layers stay perpendicular
2017-07-13T18:33:19 < englishman> at least in vlsi
2017-07-13T18:33:30 < englishman> but that is higher density than typical pcb
2017-07-13T18:33:44 < englishman> makes routing simpler and helps crosscoupling
2017-07-13T18:34:49 < sync> ya, look in any old highly integrated device like HP shit from the 80s
2017-07-13T18:34:54 < sync> everything is routed that way
2017-07-13T18:37:24 < aandrew> dongs: my routing is typically like that
2017-07-13T18:37:26 < aandrew> like manual routing
2017-07-13T18:37:39 < aandrew> I try to route one direction per layer as much as possible, but you break that rule selectively
2017-07-13T18:38:21 < dongs> ic
2017-07-13T18:38:31 < dongs> well this is a pretty nicely routed chinaboard
2017-07-13T18:38:35 < dongs> but I only have .pcb (from fucking protel)
2017-07-13T18:38:38 < dongs> doing some fixes on it
2017-07-13T18:38:42 < dongs> because china doesnt know how to stm32
2017-07-13T18:38:53 < dongs> wonder if tehy even have schematics for this shit
2017-07-13T18:38:56 < dongs> probably: not
2017-07-13T18:41:36 < karlp> what are you talking about?
2017-07-13T18:41:42 < dongs> ROUTING
2017-07-13T18:42:16 < karlp> hrm, is aretoocommie still awake and chatting? I think I'm missing context
2017-07-13T18:42:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/9fqt4id.png
2017-07-13T18:42:53 < dongs> no
2017-07-13T18:42:56 < dongs> im chatting to myself
2017-07-13T18:43:12 < dongs>  < dongs> is this top layer-vertical, bottom layer horizontal routing some kinda autorouter thing
2017-07-13T18:43:15 < dongs> ^ talking about this
2017-07-13T18:43:21 < karlp> oh no, I just read that in my head differently.
2017-07-13T18:43:22 < aandrew> dongs: yep that's pretty typical for my boards too
2017-07-13T18:43:29 < karlp> third time through it's making sense to me
2017-07-13T18:43:32  * karlp goes to get a new coffee
2017-07-13T18:43:55 < karlp> yeah, I got taught to route like that
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2017-07-13T18:54:47 < englishman> LCBO asks vendors to stop selling West Bank wines labelled ‘Product of Israel’
2017-07-13T19:01:14 < Laurenceb_> covfefe
2017-07-13T19:01:31 < Laurenceb_>  (((wine)))
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2017-07-13T19:02:44 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/yhiDfOP.jpg
2017-07-13T19:03:28 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/thumb/16a5320fa4/30518_md.jpg SEALED
2017-07-13T19:04:54 < Laurenceb_> Once you go seal we wouldn't mind a feel
2017-07-13T19:08:38 < karlp> what are they meant to be a product of?
2017-07-13T19:09:08 < englishman> not-israel (west bank)
2017-07-13T19:09:50 < karlp> not a country (yet)
2017-07-13T19:09:52 < karlp> who's LCBO?
2017-07-13T19:10:23 < englishman> gov't liquor board of ontario (province)
2017-07-13T19:10:37 < karlp> isn't it meant to be "no products from contested lands"
2017-07-13T19:10:42 < karlp> not just "put a different name on it" ?
2017-07-13T19:11:13 < englishman> i dont think we have a law like that
2017-07-13T19:11:18 < englishman> as most of the country is still contested
2017-07-13T19:11:21 < karlp> nto many places do :)
2017-07-13T19:11:23 < englishman> it would put a damper on things
2017-07-13T19:11:37 < karlp> but yeah, doesn't really seem to be part of LCBO's remit to issue guidance like that
2017-07-13T19:11:47 < englishman> clearly anti-semites
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2017-07-13T19:14:08 < englishman> http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/datasheet/4622Af.pdf
2017-07-13T19:14:14 < englishman> cool, built in inductor
2017-07-13T19:14:29 < englishman> i bet its $20
2017-07-13T19:14:50 < karlp> bah, only 20V input range
2017-07-13T19:14:54 < englishman> hm only $10 in singles
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2017-07-13T19:57:10 < dongs> nice balls man
2017-07-13T19:59:36 < ski7777> dongs: Right channel???
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2017-07-13T20:04:19 < karlp> 1.27mm balls/lands, pretty beefy
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2017-07-13T20:04:40 < vampi-the-frog> hi
2017-07-13T20:04:49 < vampi-the-frog> can I store stuff long term in flash memory?
2017-07-13T20:04:54 < vampi-the-frog> from the firmware, I mean
2017-07-13T20:04:57 < Steffanx> yes you can.
2017-07-13T20:05:00 < vampi-the-frog> okay
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2017-07-13T20:05:31 < vampi-the-frog> what about DFU, I can use that to overwrite the whole firmware?
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2017-07-13T20:56:11 < englishman> yes
2017-07-13T20:56:36 < englishman> with stm32 you can do ~anything~
2017-07-13T21:01:28 < dongs> i thought youcould only do ANYTHING with zombo.com
2017-07-13T21:02:33 < dongs> https://html5zombo.com/ for you faggots without flash
2017-07-13T21:03:37 < dongs> bed
2017-07-13T21:03:43 < dongs> i think i have a flight in 24hours
2017-07-13T21:16:55 < vampi-the-frog> can I debug through the USB?
2017-07-13T21:18:20 < Steffanx> wtf is that supposed to be dongs :S
2017-07-13T21:18:30 < Steffanx> is that something out of your gnaa period?
2017-07-13T21:18:44 < vampi-the-frog> it is zombo com
2017-07-13T21:18:54 < Steffanx> im suppoed to know that?
2017-07-13T21:19:53 < vampi-the-frog> welcome to zombo com
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2017-07-13T21:26:16 < gxti> older than gnaa probably
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2017-07-13T21:29:42 < mitrax> ahahah i had completely forgotten that shit
2017-07-13T21:39:12 < Steffanx> grandpa mitrax.
2017-07-13T21:39:43 < mitrax> :/
2017-07-13T21:39:50 < Steffanx> :P
2017-07-13T21:41:20 < englishman> vampi-the-frog: you can debug through st-link's usb
2017-07-13T21:41:43 < vampi-the-frog> I know but I'm thinking of reducing it all to one port
2017-07-13T21:42:05 < englishman> to debug you need a debugger
2017-07-13T21:42:40 < englishman> but for userfacing stuff that does not require a debugger, yes you can change firmware or any flash page via dfu
2017-07-13T21:42:57 < vampi-the-frog> okay
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2017-07-13T21:48:00 < Steffanx> on target gdb :P
2017-07-13T21:48:19 < Steffanx> or whatever that crap is called again
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2017-07-13T22:13:07 < zyp> yeah, you can build in a gdbserver into your firmware
2017-07-13T22:13:29 < zyp> mostly useful for more complex stuff where the gdbserver can run in one thread and debug other threads
2017-07-13T22:14:32 < vampi-the-frog> hmm
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2017-07-13T22:39:23 < upgrdman> __ASM("NOP") is one sysclk cycle on f4, right?
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2017-07-13T22:52:03 < vampi-the-frog> upgrdman: I assume if you're looping, the loop itself takes some cycles as well
2017-07-13T22:52:05 < zyp> measured how?
2017-07-13T22:52:38 < zyp> there's pipelining issues and waitstates and shit so you can't really assume deterministic timing
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2017-07-13T22:56:24 < zyp> say you have some wait state before you add the nop, i.e. some operation is waiting for data, so nothing else happens for a cycle
2017-07-13T22:56:31 < Thorn> and instruction cache in f4
2017-07-13T22:56:36 < zyp> then you add a nop, and it gets executed in that slot
2017-07-13T22:56:49 < zyp> the nop consumes its cycle, but overall timing doesn't change at all
2017-07-13T22:56:50 < vampi-the-frog> upgrdman: perhaps use timers instead
2017-07-13T22:57:15 < upgrdman> ok
2017-07-13T22:57:28 < upgrdman> well its not critical, i just need to way at least x cycles
2017-07-13T22:57:37 < upgrdman> so whatever, a dumb loop is good enough
2017-07-13T22:58:05 < zyp> what order of magnitude is x?
2017-07-13T22:58:09 < upgrdman> 16
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2017-07-14T00:26:48 < upgrdman> wtf. running stm32f429 at 168MHz. in main i have an infinite loop that just toggles a GPIO. looking on a scope, the gpio toggles at 33.6MHz. thats good. ***if i now add an EXTI0 ISR before main()*** but leave the exti disabled, my gpio now toggles at 12.9MHz. wtf why.
2017-07-14T00:27:47 < englishman> gcc right
2017-07-14T00:27:56 < englishman> optimizations, right
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2017-07-14T00:52:50 < zyp> might be as simple as it's shifting how the code aligns in the ART cache
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2017-07-14T01:31:50 < englishman> a true symbol of canadiana http://i.imgur.com/aksKWVA.jpg
2017-07-14T01:45:22 < ohsix> derp
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2017-07-14T01:55:05 < Laurenceb_> https://kek.gg/i/7yXHvs.jpg
2017-07-14T01:59:07 < kakimir> englishman: so cute
2017-07-14T02:03:03 < kakimir> how is sauna englishman ?
2017-07-14T02:03:10 < kakimir> damn hot in my room
2017-07-14T02:03:15 < kakimir> 25celsius
2017-07-14T02:03:47 < kakimir> I'm in luck because I bought air drying machine
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2017-07-14T03:11:46 < englishman> no sauna or hot tub 😞
2017-07-14T03:12:09 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2017-07-14T03:12:56 < kakimir> well canada is warm
2017-07-14T03:13:11 < Laurenceb_> not in winter
2017-07-14T03:14:01 < Laurenceb_> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1401/29/1401290721468.jpg
2017-07-14T03:14:11 < Laurenceb_> need to redo this for canuck
2017-07-14T03:15:05 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/Yj3HGN9
2017-07-14T03:15:47 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/3tQxIUL
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2017-07-14T03:25:04 < Laurenceb_> attn kakimir http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/livereak-gekiyaku/imgs/b/8/b8ff19cb.jpg
2017-07-14T03:25:14 < Laurenceb_> livereak
2017-07-14T03:25:17 < Laurenceb_> mysides
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2017-07-14T03:27:15 < crt> 9:40 PM <Steffanx> Were you born this way or did the DJ stuff make you insane crt ?
2017-07-14T03:27:23 < crt> Hahahahahaha hello welcome!!
2017-07-14T03:31:04 < Laurenceb_> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1388/78/1388786072835.png
2017-07-14T03:36:28 < kakimir> you have problems with nords in england Laurenceb_ ?
2017-07-14T03:50:57 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-07-14T03:51:37 < Laurenceb_> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1476/74/1476747417002.png
2017-07-14T03:52:02 < kakimir> you can't even think about that you might have some part viking blood in you
2017-07-14T03:53:03 < kakimir> which is true
2017-07-14T03:53:28 < Laurenceb_> https://1d4chan.org/images/thumb/9/9c/QnVjrKW.jpg/300px-QnVjrKW.jpg
2017-07-14T03:54:22 < Laurenceb_> https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1480/74/1480748949809.jpg
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2017-07-14T04:06:18 < invzim> he, the tiny probes actually work pretty well
2017-07-14T04:06:22 < invzim> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-set-SOP-SOIC-TSSOP-TSOP-SSOP-MSOP-PLCC-QFP-SMD-IC-Chip-pin-CLIP-DIP/32589469448.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.81s2Qh
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2017-07-14T04:07:23 < kakimir> whaa
2017-07-14T04:08:13 < kakimir> interesting
2017-07-14T04:08:31 < kakimir> do you have microscope photos invzim
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2017-07-14T04:08:49 < invzim> not yet, DHL says it will be delivered on monday :)
2017-07-14T04:09:12 < invzim> I've been such a gear hoarder lately
2017-07-14T04:09:18 < kakimir> I cannot trust those photos in the page
2017-07-14T04:09:29 < invzim> I'll snap a pic when I get the camera
2017-07-14T04:09:29 < kakimir> looks like short circuit
2017-07-14T04:10:08 < invzim> the business end of the probe is not metal
2017-07-14T04:10:14 < invzim> apart from the hook
2017-07-14T04:10:33 < kakimir> looks metal
2017-07-14T04:10:41 < kakimir> plastics?
2017-07-14T04:10:46 < invzim> think so
2017-07-14T04:11:52 < kakimir> you have a microscope?
2017-07-14T04:12:04 < invzim> yes
2017-07-14T04:12:29 < invzim> my eyes can't do 0.5mm pitch reliably without
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2017-07-14T04:36:41 < crt> I actually fucking have diabeetis
2017-07-14T04:40:24 < kakimir> no wonder
2017-07-14T04:40:42 < kakimir> type 2?
2017-07-14T04:40:52 < crt> Yeah muscles
2017-07-14T04:42:08 < crt> CRT
2017-07-14T04:44:34 < crt> It's fucked!
2017-07-14T04:45:31 < crt> Now I have to use heroin instead of whiskey!!
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2017-07-14T05:15:12 < crt> Fidget spinners cause aids and are made out of dead babies by paedophiles
2017-07-14T05:17:25 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-07-14T05:17:31 < dongs> faggit spinners
2017-07-14T05:18:14 < dongs> omfg wh is imgur so rearddd
2017-07-14T05:19:53 < dongs> whats a r eplacement where i can throw a fucking image up
2017-07-14T05:19:54 < dongs> god damn
2017-07-14T05:20:54 < crt> Dongpaste.net
2017-07-14T05:21:05 < crt> Totally stm32safe
2017-07-14T05:21:32 < dongs> englishman: mold fee for that thing is like 700bucks
2017-07-14T05:21:41 < dongs> then they can make it exactly liek whatever teh fuck your pals want
2017-07-14T05:22:05 < crt> Nice
2017-07-14T05:22:26 < dongs> ugh
2017-07-14T05:22:29 < dongs> google imgur alternative
2017-07-14T05:22:32 < crt> Maybe a prop
2017-07-14T05:22:33 < dongs> some top article
2017-07-14T05:22:39 < dongs> 'omg imgtc'
2017-07-14T05:22:41 < dongs> click link
2017-07-14T05:22:46 < crt> Make a prop
2017-07-14T05:22:47 < dongs> cant even ctrl+v from clipboard
2017-07-14T05:22:51 < dongs> wat the FUCk
2017-07-14T05:22:53 < dongs> 2017
2017-07-14T05:22:56 < crt> Yup
2017-07-14T05:23:10 < crt> Get a mac meme is old 2
2017-07-14T05:23:37 < crt> Winpros10 is good for me
2017-07-14T05:23:45 < dongs> crt, are you fucking stoned
2017-07-14T05:24:03 < crt> Nah just sober, which is worse imo
2017-07-14T05:24:07 < dongs> terrible
2017-07-14T05:24:13 < crt> The doctor said I have diabeetus
2017-07-14T05:24:25 < englishman> dongs: awesome
2017-07-14T05:24:29 < englishman> whats per-unit after that
2017-07-14T05:24:39 < englishman> i guess it would have to be like 500-1k units min?
2017-07-14T05:27:14 < dongs> 2k moq, like 16c each
2017-07-14T05:27:40 < dongs> you'll have a boatload of grommets
2017-07-14T05:27:46 < englishman> cool
2017-07-14T05:27:54 < englishman> adding 500% markup and sending quote
2017-07-14T05:27:55 < englishman> thx
2017-07-14T05:27:58 < dongs> yay!
2017-07-14T05:27:58 < crt> Ty
2017-07-14T05:28:35 < crt> I want an Englishcopter
2017-07-14T05:31:16 < dongs> dongcopter
2017-07-14T05:32:47 < englishman> what about this silicone "fusing"
2017-07-14T05:33:00 < englishman> they want it glued or something, like this http://i.imgur.com/4SIoiSX.jpg
2017-07-14T05:35:13 < crt> What is best?
2017-07-14T05:40:12 < crt> Wanna guess what's rolled in the shop today?
2017-07-14T05:49:14 < englishman> rusty pioneer trash with sugary drinks spilled all over the electromechanical parts?
2017-07-14T05:53:36 < crt> No a dog and customers
2017-07-14T05:54:06 < dongs> fuck
2017-07-14T05:54:15 < dongs> so 17.1.6 still doesnt fix tabbing to select keepout object
2017-07-14T05:54:55 < englishman> fuckers
2017-07-14T05:55:09 < dongs> how the fuck do you even break that
2017-07-14T05:55:10 < dongs> fouck
2017-07-14T05:55:19 < englishman> they fucked up the whole keepout layer
2017-07-14T05:56:01 < dongs> well, i got used to it now but the only problm is tabbing t o select
2017-07-14T05:57:46 < dongs> 17494Fixed bug where non-keepout primitives can be copied/pasted on Keep-Out Layer and keep-out primitives on a non-signal improper layer.
2017-07-14T05:57:53 < dongs> not sure i'd call that a BUG
2017-07-14T05:57:57 < dongs> more liek a USEFUL FEATURE
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2017-07-14T06:04:15 < dongs> 18308Draftsman - Fixed regression bug where titties appear in the PDF generated from an output job (BC:8074).
2017-07-14T06:04:28 < englishman> another feature
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2017-07-14T06:14:08 < crt> ah
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2017-07-14T06:49:05 < dongs> commence blog
2017-07-14T06:50:42 < crt> need coffe
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2017-07-14T07:11:16 < Thorn> https://pp.userapi.com/c836538/v836538207/4440e/d3x2Al0Pkco.jpg
2017-07-14T07:12:22 < crt> lildongs' mate
2017-07-14T07:35:34 < dongs> any idea how i can flip everything on part of pcb
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2017-07-14T07:35:39 < dongs> like select both top/bottom and flip
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2017-07-14T08:00:36 < dongs> fucking thorn
2017-07-14T08:00:40 < dongs> i shoudla known bettter than to click on that shit
2017-07-14T08:01:01 < crt> ^
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2017-07-14T08:20:38 < dongs> fuck yeah
2017-07-14T08:20:43 < dongs> englishman: they did fix tabbing keepouts
2017-07-14T08:20:47 < dongs> just silently
2017-07-14T08:20:51 < dongs> must have been so fucking embarassed
2017-07-14T08:24:46 < crt> JBC JBC JBC JBC JBC JBC JBC JBC JBC JBC JBC JBC JBC
2017-07-14T08:24:48 < crt> yay spending day
2017-07-14T08:25:42 < dongs> i got these kickstarter dongs to buy a easybraid thing
2017-07-14T08:25:46 < dongs> EB9000 orw ahtever
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2017-07-14T08:36:46 < ohsix> crt: wats a good general lube for the plastic slides in stereo stuff, like cd trays
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2017-07-14T08:37:39 < ohsix> was looking into a thing for a friend and there was nothing to fix, old enough for a sticky spot to not let the startup cycle work, after i reset it & open/clsed it a few times, it was ok
2017-07-14T08:38:18 < ohsix> need something on hand, silicone or lithium or something
2017-07-14T08:40:34 < Thorn> http://tsenki-htlive.cdn.ngenix.net/live/_definst_/tsenkitv.sdp/playlist.m3u8 T-1 hour
2017-07-14T08:40:43 < crt> ohsix: GYA1001
2017-07-14T08:41:35 < ohsix> hurr i actually talked about pioneer lube stuff & how expensive that one was
2017-07-14T08:41:38 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0LIxFegHOs
2017-07-14T08:42:35 < ohsix> what's in it you think, silicone? or mineral oil?
2017-07-14T08:42:58 < ohsix> petroleum distillates can react with lots of plastics
2017-07-14T08:43:18 < ohsix> HMM i'll just get some samples from busted stuff & try lots of shit on them
2017-07-14T08:45:55 < crt> GYA1001 ya dogs
2017-07-14T08:46:08 < ohsix> maybe eventually
2017-07-14T08:46:21 < ohsix> this is just the first thing to show up
2017-07-14T08:48:09 < ohsix> the plastics will have mould marks that say what they are, i've just not been looking
2017-07-14T08:59:25 < crt> dsx1078
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2017-07-14T09:20:55 < qyx> I solved my issue with the analog watchdog
2017-07-14T09:20:57 < qyx> it was dumb
2017-07-14T09:22:02 < qyx> the whole thing was stuck in the interrupt handler :S
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2017-07-14T12:46:00 < dongs> lmao
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2017-07-14T12:46:07 < dongs> had an amazing keil debug experinec today
2017-07-14T12:46:14 < dongs> 'watch' window takes C-code
2017-07-14T12:46:24 < dongs> i had a gayvar = 0; there by mistake cuz i pasted entire line into watch window
2017-07-14T12:46:27 < dongs> instead of just the variable
2017-07-14T12:46:34 < dongs> then i later added just gayvar to watch
2017-07-14T12:46:48 < dongs> and despite the code going there, stepping, and increasing, it would never actually ++
2017-07-14T12:47:22 < zyp> nice
2017-07-14T12:48:22 < karlp> qyx: ok, goodo :)
2017-07-14T12:51:26 < sferrini> do you use mpu on your projects? I'm using it but wondering how many actually do the same
2017-07-14T12:53:23 < zyp> sferrini, I haven't done any where it makes sense yet
2017-07-14T12:54:03 < sferrini> zyp: I have enabled the XN
2017-07-14T12:54:36 < sferrini> I don't copy and execute stuff in ram while my firmware is running (unless in the bootloader stage)
2017-07-14T12:54:38 < zyp> ah, so you're not isolating modules from each other, just enabling XN on the sram?
2017-07-14T12:55:00 < sferrini> zyp: yes for now only XN
2017-07-14T12:55:42 < zyp> guess that can be useful too, if you're doing anything security sensitive
2017-07-14T12:55:43 < sferrini> but I was thinking about enabling the other features to isolate "kernel" from user tasks
2017-07-14T12:56:37 < zyp> when I think about the MPU, I mostly think about keeping one misbehaving task from crashing the entire system
2017-07-14T12:57:27 < zyp> which is only useful if your project is large enough to have multiple parts that functions independently of each other
2017-07-14T12:57:58 < dongs>  < sferrini> do you use mpu on your projects?
2017-07-14T12:58:03 < dongs> what's mpu??????
2017-07-14T12:58:09 < dongs> (jk, i know, so the a nswer is fuck no)
2017-07-14T12:58:09 < zyp> memory protection unit
2017-07-14T12:58:14 < zyp> heh
2017-07-14T12:58:47 < sferrini> yeah that's true, my projects for now aren't so "big" (each tasks depends on each other haha)
2017-07-14T12:59:03 < sferrini> dongs: fair enough :P
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2017-07-14T13:22:59 < dongs> another bizzare shit damn
2017-07-14T13:23:00 < jpa-> i've only used MPU to stop access to 0x00000000
2017-07-14T13:23:16 < dongs> why when i attach debugger with boot0 at vcc, i cant actaully step throgh botloader?
2017-07-14T13:23:24 < jpa-> which is quite useful, as otherwise null pointer reads will return valid addresses, which will lead to quite fun debugging
2017-07-14T13:24:30 < jpa-> dongs: on some STM32's, the bootloader disables SWD because it is using some of the same pins
2017-07-14T13:24:57 < jpa-> but looks like that is only on F0
2017-07-14T13:25:39 < dongs> no ,swd works
2017-07-14T13:25:46 < dongs> but PC ends up being in like 0x34343434
2017-07-14T13:28:21 < zyp> nice
2017-07-14T13:30:21 < dongs> PB2 is floating
2017-07-14T13:30:24 < dongs> (boot1
2017-07-14T13:30:27 < dongs> could this be it?
2017-07-14T13:30:35 < zyp> yes
2017-07-14T13:30:52 < zyp> when boot0 is high, boot1 selects between sram and rom bootloader
2017-07-14T13:31:10 < dongs> yes
2017-07-14T13:31:15 < zyp> so if you select sram, and only have garbage there, then you'll obviously execute garbage
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2017-07-14T13:36:52 < jpa-> logman update ndis -p {DD7A21E6-A651-46D4-B7C2-66543067B869} 0x88035f3 5 -ets       windows commands are so easy to remember
2017-07-14T13:38:03 < zyp> cute
2017-07-14T13:41:23 < jpa-> got my usb ethernet stuff working on mac yesterday; was just a matter of defining a few extra header fields in ipv6 route advertisements; but windows still doesn't like me even though i do everything the same as beaglebone
2017-07-14T13:42:10 < zyp> if you think everything is the same, but the outcome is not, then everything is not the same
2017-07-14T13:43:01 < zyp> might be something dumb like "oh, I didn't think that field mattered at all"
2017-07-14T13:43:40 < jpa-> yep
2017-07-14T13:44:18 < jpa-> but been stuck on trying to find differences too long, trying the alternative path of getting more debug info out of windows
2017-07-14T13:46:29 < jpa-> looks like i'll have to download whole 4GB windows driver kit to get tracefmt.exe
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2017-07-14T14:06:55 < dongs> ok booting to bootloader at least
2017-07-14T14:06:57 < dongs> still failing to actually bl
2017-07-14T14:06:58 < dongs> but progres
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2017-07-14T14:39:58 < karlp> dongs: yeah, I had that issue with boot1 floating and getting randomly factory bootloader or executing garbage from sram
2017-07-14T14:40:29 < dongs> well, i shorted it to ground
2017-07-14T14:40:35 < dongs> still gettingfuckall
2017-07-14T14:40:40 < dongs> but it could be my shittyflasher thing
2017-07-14T14:50:14 < englishman> dongs, L doesnt work to swap 2 layers at once?
2017-07-14T14:53:40 < englishman> found some tips to improve your skills, too https://matt.sh/howto-c
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2017-07-14T15:28:28 < englishman> Your package is being shipped by USPS and the tracking number is LMxxxxxxxxxCN
2017-07-14T15:28:29 < englishman> lol
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2017-07-14T15:50:06 < kakimir> hello
2017-07-14T15:50:37 < zyp> sup?
2017-07-14T15:52:34 < kakimir> I think I need to contact my uni I might come back in after.. 6years
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2017-07-14T16:08:46 < Steffanx> EE study kakimir ?
2017-07-14T16:09:44 < zyp> Steffanx, how's the stroopwafel business going?
2017-07-14T16:12:41 < kakimir> for that I would need to reapply Steffanx
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2017-07-14T16:20:53 < Thorn> http://lentaru.media.eagleplatform.com/index/player?record_id=787115&player=new
2017-07-14T16:21:37 < Thorn> lithium ions strike again
2017-07-14T16:23:44 < Steffanx> Bad zyp, but i dont think im allowed to tell :P
2017-07-14T16:24:15 < Steffanx> I lost my bestest customer
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2017-07-14T16:24:40 < Steffanx> aka crt.
2017-07-14T16:25:57 < Steffanx> Oh he already said it. My bestest customer has diabetes.
2017-07-14T16:26:01 < Steffanx> The irony :D
2017-07-14T16:26:18 < kakimir> you killed him Steffanx
2017-07-14T16:26:26 < Steffanx> He aint dead
2017-07-14T16:26:37 < Steffanx> But its tooo funny :D
2017-07-14T16:27:57 < kakimir> I wasn't jokin about truthwaffles causing diabetums
2017-07-14T16:29:28 < kakimir> can diabetes be cured?
2017-07-14T16:31:15 < Steffanx> Not sure if it can be cured, but with the proper diet it can get better
2017-07-14T16:31:23 < Steffanx> Type 2 that is
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2017-07-14T16:35:26 < englishman> it can be cured with daily insulin injections and proper diet for the rest of your life
2017-07-14T16:36:15 < kakimir> #diabetes32
2017-07-14T16:37:23 < kakimir> Steffanx: how many kilos did you feed to crt?
2017-07-14T16:37:43 < kakimir> weekly shipments 10kg each?
2017-07-14T16:41:22 < englishman> anyone know of a cheap, small low Iq power switch IC with two on/off toggle inputs, with like an internal flipflop
2017-07-14T16:41:33 < englishman> so i can pulse On and it goes on, pulse Off and it goes off
2017-07-14T16:42:15 < englishman> maybe just use one with regular EN pin and some external flipflop
2017-07-14T16:42:53 < zyp> SR-flipflop?
2017-07-14T16:43:02 < englishman> right
2017-07-14T16:43:56 < zyp> kinda sounds too specific
2017-07-14T16:44:25 < englishman> yeah, just plug in an external (low Iq) flipflop and it'll do the same thing
2017-07-14T16:44:52 < zyp> I'm guessing that any sort of stateful power switch you might find will be a single on/off line that you can hook to a pushbutton
2017-07-14T16:45:13 < englishman> yeah, single EN line is definitely popular
2017-07-14T16:45:19 < zyp> but I might be wrong, lots of stuff exists
2017-07-14T16:45:22 < englishman> but that won't work for me (without additional logic)
2017-07-14T16:45:39 < englishman> it's a thing with completely separate on and off controls
2017-07-14T16:45:41 < zyp> I'm curious, what's the application?
2017-07-14T16:46:05 < englishman> device is turned on by one control (in this case user) and turned off by a completely separate part of the assembly
2017-07-14T16:46:32 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxXrxii7Kbg
2017-07-14T16:47:28 < englishman> so it has one On input and one Off input that aren't necessarily aware of each other
2017-07-14T16:47:35 < englishman> yeah just add a flipflop and i'm done
2017-07-14T16:47:51 < zyp> englishman, I've seen mcu solutions where the EN line is both hooked to a button and a GPIO
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2017-07-14T16:48:04 < englishman> yes, i believe dong was blogging about this for his dildo
2017-07-14T16:48:09 < englishman> in that case it's user-on, self-off
2017-07-14T16:48:19 < englishman> similar to what i want but still just different enough
2017-07-14T16:48:26 < zyp> yeah
2017-07-14T16:48:30 < englishman> in this case, the off control is aware that the on-signal is on
2017-07-14T16:48:36 < englishman> because it's self-powered :)
2017-07-14T16:49:29 < zyp> and neither side is a MCU capable of handling this?
2017-07-14T16:49:37 < englishman> no mcu in the project
2017-07-14T16:49:53 < zyp> aww
2017-07-14T16:50:08 < zyp> no mcu, no fun :p
2017-07-14T16:50:48 < englishman> hm no small sr-latches
2017-07-14T16:50:52 < zyp> solution is obvious then; throw in an stm32 to manage the power switch, then you can have one gpio to turn it on and one gpio to turn it off
2017-07-14T16:51:14 < englishman> could be low Iq if using exti wakeups
2017-07-14T16:51:20 < englishman> but: plzzz
2017-07-14T16:51:28 < zyp> exactly, just use a L0 or something
2017-07-14T16:51:43 < zyp> (disclaimer: idk what Iq of L0 is)
2017-07-14T16:52:12 < englishman> low enough
2017-07-14T16:52:23 < englishman> even F0 is pretty low
2017-07-14T16:52:41 < englishman> to the point where any lipo will self-discharge in a far shorter period
2017-07-14T16:54:12 < englishman> wow there's really crap for SR latches available
2017-07-14T16:55:28 < zyp> hmm, L011 running from MSI in low power mode is measured in tens of microamps
2017-07-14T16:57:38 < zyp> stop mode brings it down to under a microamp
2017-07-14T16:59:33 < englishman> MAX16054
2017-07-14T17:00:11 < englishman> closer to what i want but still annoying
2017-07-14T17:00:38 < zyp> 15:44:52 < zyp> I'm guessing that any sort of stateful power switch you might find will be a single on/off line that you can hook to a pushbutton
2017-07-14T17:00:53 < englishman> yeah, but with the clear input
2017-07-14T17:01:10 < englishman> as a separate line
2017-07-14T17:03:34 < zyp> LTC2953 have a KILL line
2017-07-14T17:03:56 < Laurenceb_> what is the wakeup source?
2017-07-14T17:04:07 < englishman> pulse from logic line
2017-07-14T17:04:17 < Laurenceb_> my dataloggers manage less than 40µA sleep current
2017-07-14T17:04:25 < englishman> stm8 is looking good for this -_-
2017-07-14T17:04:36 < zyp> why not L011?
2017-07-14T17:04:40 < Laurenceb_> ok should be no different to pulse from on/off/function button?
2017-07-14T17:04:46 < Laurenceb_> so use WKUP pin?
2017-07-14T17:04:50 < zyp> I mean, I can totally see not wanting a MCU for this
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2017-07-14T17:04:57 < zyp> but I don't see going with STM8
2017-07-14T17:05:02 < englishman> 0 in stock at digikey :)
2017-07-14T17:05:22 < vampi-the-frog> hey man
2017-07-14T17:05:23 < Laurenceb_> I use 2.7v and 3.3v regs with some fets and diodes to handle sequencing
2017-07-14T17:05:34 < Laurenceb_> so µC sleeps at 2.7v
2017-07-14T17:05:39 < vampi-the-frog> would this board be good for interfacing with an STM32F4? http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB3300-USB-HS-Board-Host-PHY-OTG-Low-Pin-ULPI-Evaluation-Development-Module-Kit-/282281529697?epid=1469989647&hash=item41b94a5161:g:jdQAAOSwnKFYRmHi
2017-07-14T17:05:48 < englishman> there's only 10 l0 in stock at digikey, 2 of them 32qfp
2017-07-14T17:06:16 < Laurenceb_> then it wakes up and enables 3.3vandthe rest of the board powers up
2017-07-14T17:06:33 < englishman> well zyp as the power is single 3.7v lipo, using 5v-tolerant hardware would also eliminate a vreg
2017-07-14T17:06:52 < englishman> but that's new information so :)
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2017-07-14T17:06:55 < zyp> ah, fair
2017-07-14T17:07:02 < zyp> I forget that 5V chips are a thing
2017-07-14T17:07:51 < englishman> maybe i'll just quote "this is possible give me money to do it" and let future-englishman deal with this
2017-07-14T17:08:14 < zyp> so anyway, how about that LTC2953? looks like it'll do what you ask for and a lot of shit you didn't ask for as well
2017-07-14T17:08:43 < englishman> sure does, dismissed it earlier just because it was a) too busy and b) LT but i'm going back for another look
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2017-07-14T17:09:08 < englishman> maybe there's a TI clone
2017-07-14T17:10:01 < englishman> hm, like the other pushbutton controllers too, no internal power fet
2017-07-14T17:11:08 < Laurenceb_> englishman: why is this a problem? Just use the stm32 to sequence power
2017-07-14T17:11:17 < englishman> ideally there is no stm32
2017-07-14T17:11:45 < qyx> use avr
2017-07-14T17:12:17 < qyx> acually those low pin count avrs and pics..
2017-07-14T17:12:35 < Laurenceb_> oh i c
2017-07-14T17:12:52 < Laurenceb_> inb4 beaglebone
2017-07-14T17:13:05 < Laurenceb_> the most epic power supply failure in history
2017-07-14T17:13:53 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxVDnpsGTZY
2017-07-14T17:14:34 < Laurenceb_> >female chan trolls exist
2017-07-14T17:14:56 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: what. the. fuck
2017-07-14T17:15:43 < Laurenceb_> sorry I'll try to stay on topic :P
2017-07-14T17:15:55 < englishman> AlphaBay Shut Down After Police Raid; Alleged Founder Commits Suicide in Jail
2017-07-14T17:16:14 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZipeaAkuC0 <-- that is probably the most epic power supply failure I've seen online
2017-07-14T17:16:54 < qyx> sfw?
2017-07-14T17:17:10 < karlp> well, the lyrics aren't really maybe, but there's no nudity or violence?
2017-07-14T17:17:43 < englishman> zyp: actually, this chip looks pretty good, even if some external crap is needed, and the settable long-pulse-to-off time from the onoff switch could also come in handy
2017-07-14T17:17:45 < englishman> thanks again
2017-07-14T17:17:55 < karlp> man, that is a good one aandrew!
2017-07-14T17:21:53 < fest> this one was also quite good: https://youtu.be/GPqcPoZgPMk?t=8m40s
2017-07-14T17:23:51 < karlp> no bang though
2017-07-14T17:24:02 < karlp> nice snow firefighting
2017-07-14T17:24:49 < fest> lots of arc-welding sputter though
2017-07-14T17:28:44 < aandrew> fuck man
2017-07-14T17:28:53 < aandrew> dude stands in front of the disconnect? what a moron
2017-07-14T17:29:01 < aandrew> that's dangerous as hell
2017-07-14T17:29:57 < aandrew> when I commissioned our MV switchgear you always, always, ALWAYS turned away from the door
2017-07-14T17:31:22 < Laurenceb_> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-north-s-e-a-l-project-science-environment/#/
2017-07-14T17:31:25 < Laurenceb_> my sides
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2017-07-14T17:50:20 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/3f3341a03555698e4d03b1128a14476875c1fd490cb65db97b3318557b4089e3.webm
2017-07-14T17:51:46 < aandrew> now there's a marketable skill
2017-07-14T17:52:00 < kakimir> is he ded now?
2017-07-14T17:52:17 < kakimir> not sure if sausages in the lungs are the best
2017-07-14T18:05:27 < dongs> sup doges
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2017-07-14T18:51:36 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/contest/Design-a-PCB-Board-1067120.html
2017-07-14T18:51:43 < dongs> uploading them a g erber with dickbutt on it
2017-07-14T18:51:44 < dongs> for 10 eur
2017-07-14T18:52:57 < Laurenceb_> how do i designer
2017-07-14T18:52:59 < kakimir> hmm 2g11 socket
2017-07-14T18:53:02 < kakimir> interesting
2017-07-14T18:53:32 < kakimir> they are trying to make my led board!
2017-07-14T18:55:20 < kakimir> actually they are doing tube lamp led replacement
2017-07-14T18:55:36 < kakimir> dead end business plan
2017-07-14T18:59:10 < kakimir> there are tonne of those manufs already
2017-07-14T18:59:27 < kakimir> china production might be in full speed too
2017-07-14T18:59:56 < dongs> blob:http://imgur.com/0b04debd-d1b1-4a12-bfbf-422bf083977d
2017-07-14T18:59:57 < dongs> err
2017-07-14T18:59:58 < dongs> fucking HELL
2017-07-14T19:00:03 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/c4Mjr1t.png
2017-07-14T19:00:05 < dongs> fucking imgshiturl
2017-07-14T19:00:12 < dongs> you think i can get my $10 eur now
2017-07-14T19:02:35 < dongs> Success
2017-07-14T19:02:35 < dongs> Congratulations! You have submitted your entry for this contest.
2017-07-14T19:02:56 < kakimir> why do you spend time on this type of crap dongs ?
2017-07-14T19:03:21 < dongs> kakimir: why do you spend time on irc
2017-07-14T19:04:10 < englishman> lol 10eur
2017-07-14T19:04:33 < kakimir> well played dongs.. well played
2017-07-14T19:05:21 < dongs> englishman: check out my entry
2017-07-14T19:05:25 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/contest/Design-a-PCB-Board-1067120-byentry-15123959.html
2017-07-14T19:05:40 < dongs> (checked that its viewable without account, in incognito mode)
2017-07-14T19:05:42 < englishman> nice text too
2017-07-14T19:05:43 < englishman> it is
2017-07-14T19:05:52 < englishman> fucking freecancer
2017-07-14T19:06:29 < dongs> the other entires are some kidna jokes too
2017-07-14T19:06:46 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/contest/Design-a-PCB-Board-1067120-byentry-15032480.html
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2017-07-14T19:06:49 < dongs> li,e wut
2017-07-14T19:07:16 < dongs> at least I actually made it correct dimensions
2017-07-14T19:07:49 < englishman> sorry sir photo is no upload on this place
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2017-07-14T19:10:46 < dongs> aahaha
2017-07-14T19:10:48 < dongs> just got to that comment
2017-07-14T19:10:51 < dongs> irl lol
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2017-07-14T19:11:13 < dongs> sir your information is not
2017-07-14T19:11:13 < dongs> enough to complete your project,
2017-07-14T19:11:13 < dongs> , you need a PCB board but you
2017-07-14T19:11:13 < dongs> dont give us the main designe
2017-07-14T19:11:15 < dongs> (your project circut) like this photo,,,
2017-07-14T19:11:18 < dongs> how can i designe your pcb board.
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2017-07-14T19:12:11 < englishman> how i can designe?
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2017-07-14T19:12:16 < englishman> i do not knowe
2017-07-14T19:13:39 < dongs> i used 6.3gb of mobile data while iw as here for a week
2017-07-14T19:13:42 < dongs> accordin to huawei
2017-07-14T19:14:02 < dongs> this only cost $15 for unlimited LTE sim for 10 days
2017-07-14T19:14:08 < dongs> like $25 for a month
2017-07-14T19:14:20 < dongs> in japan i would have bene throttled after the first 2gb
2017-07-14T19:14:25 < dongs> to 300kbit
2017-07-14T19:14:38 < englishman> the difference of a 1st world country
2017-07-14T19:15:02 < dongs> i thought japan was supposed to be super advanced
2017-07-14T19:15:12 < englishman> here, >3gb / month plans do not exist
2017-07-14T19:15:16 < englishman> and no throttling when going past
2017-07-14T19:15:17 < dongs> really?
2017-07-14T19:15:24 < dongs> so what happens hten
2017-07-14T19:15:24 < englishman> just $$
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2017-07-14T19:15:28 < dongs> ah
2017-07-14T19:15:35 < englishman> like $10/gb overage
2017-07-14T19:15:40 < dongs> nic
2017-07-14T19:15:49 < englishman> just finding a data-only plan is pretty hard
2017-07-14T19:16:01 < dongs> is this canuckistan?
2017-07-14T19:16:09 < dongs> terrible. will never visit again.
2017-07-14T19:16:30 < englishman> yeah well you're not welcome back http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/wash-it-off-jewish-montrealer-says-police-initially-didn-t-take-anti-semitic-graffiti-seriously-1.4204383
2017-07-14T19:17:04 < dongs> ahaha
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2017-07-14T19:17:28 < dongs> Montreal sees spike in reported hate crimes, police data reveals
2017-07-14T19:17:42 < dongs> snowflakes are startingto melt
2017-07-14T19:17:45 < dongs> need attention
2017-07-14T19:24:37 < karlp> man, smallest plan here is ~1gig, just about anything is 5gig or more a month
2017-07-14T19:25:26 < dongs> best korea has no 'gig' plans
2017-07-14T19:25:34 < dongs> its like $15 a month for unlimited over 9000megabit LTE
2017-07-14T19:25:48 < karlp> ok, wrong, stupid old incumbent has bizzare plans down to no data and 200meg plans.
2017-07-14T19:25:55 < dongs> haha 200meg
2017-07-14T19:25:57 < karlp> everyone else has 1gig for ~1500 and 5gig for 2000
2017-07-14T19:26:06 < dongs> thats not even enough for MAN2MACHINE thee days
2017-07-14T19:26:15 < dongs> every 5 seconds of sending bloated json
2017-07-14T19:26:19 < dongs> and tour 200megs are gone in a day
2017-07-14T19:26:27 < karlp> yeah man, that's the way we roll.
2017-07-14T19:26:46 < karlp> you want the data live? and in the cloud!?
2017-07-14T19:26:48 < englishman> 50 MB
2017-07-14T19:26:48 < englishman> 100 MINUTES
2017-07-14T19:26:48 < englishman> UNLIMITED MESSAGING
2017-07-14T19:26:48 < englishman> $29/mo.
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2017-07-14T19:27:01 < englishman> Bring Your Own Phone
2017-07-14T19:27:16 < dongs> 50mb is like, opening front page of google.com right
2017-07-14T19:27:46 < Laurenceb_> 50 meg of cancerscript
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2017-07-14T19:28:05 < Laurenceb_> > Montreal
2017-07-14T19:28:14 < Laurenceb_> Canada is cancer
2017-07-14T19:28:24 < Steffanx> no the uk is great.
2017-07-14T19:28:25 < Laurenceb_> my aunt just became a cucknadian
2017-07-14T19:28:38 < Laurenceb_> I look at google maps where she has moved to
2017-07-14T19:28:42 < dongs> GBP is in the fucking toilet
2017-07-14T19:28:46 < dongs> i remember when that shit was 2:1 to USD
2017-07-14T19:28:50 < dongs> its nearly 1:1 now
2017-07-14T19:28:57 < Laurenceb_>  "ok I see shops, where is the industry and shit"
2017-07-14T19:28:59 < dongs> i blame Laurenceb_ for all of this
2017-07-14T19:29:09 < Steffanx> same applies to the euro.
2017-07-14T19:29:11 < Laurenceb_> >scroll out > still retarded shops
2017-07-14T19:29:14 < englishman> where in canada laurent
2017-07-14T19:29:18 < Laurenceb_> >scroll out more
2017-07-14T19:29:22 < Laurenceb_> >just shops
2017-07-14T19:29:26 < Laurenceb_> Toronto
2017-07-14T19:29:27 < englishman> most of english canada is just shopping malls and low budget restaurants
2017-07-14T19:29:29 < englishman> yeah
2017-07-14T19:29:37 < englishman> suburbia as far as the eye can see
2017-07-14T19:31:41 < Laurenceb_> see in UKistan we have cool shit like emdrive
2017-07-14T19:33:49 < Laurenceb_> I guess there is General Fusion in Canuckland
2017-07-14T19:33:56 < Laurenceb_> but they are full of BS
2017-07-14T19:34:12 < englishman> all nukeshit was sold to chinese last year
2017-07-14T19:36:56 < Laurenceb_> candu?
2017-07-14T19:37:04 < Laurenceb_> that was a pretty cool design
2017-07-14T19:37:15 < englishman> still is
2017-07-14T19:37:35 < Laurenceb_> apart from the fact it's no longer canadian
2017-07-14T19:37:37 < Laurenceb_> doh
2017-07-14T19:38:08 < Laurenceb_> I don't think I'll be becoming a cucknadian any time soon
2017-07-14T19:38:23 < englishman> i doubt you'd qualify
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2017-07-14T20:06:37 < kakimir> I doubt too
2017-07-14T20:08:22 < kakimir> are chinese buying your country englishman ?
2017-07-14T20:08:29 < englishman> yes
2017-07-14T20:08:39 < englishman> they recently bought a mountain just north of vancouver
2017-07-14T20:12:35 < kakimir> I have watched some documents how chinese millionares move to canada
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2017-07-14T20:12:54 < kakimir> how big the movement is?
2017-07-14T20:13:04 < englishman> bigger than anyone expected
2017-07-14T20:13:27 < englishman> true fact: vancouver mayor's mother-in-law will be executed in china for corruption and embezzlement
2017-07-14T20:14:00 < kakimir> fun
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2017-07-14T20:15:31 < englishman> the cheapest property in vancouver right now https://www.remax.ca/bc/vancouver-real-estate/na-2928-charles-street-na-wp_id178072761-lst/
2017-07-14T20:15:57 < englishman> shitty neighbourhood too
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2017-07-14T20:16:44 < kakimir> interesting figure
2017-07-14T20:17:08 < englishman> https://www.remax.ca/bc/vancouver-real-estate/na-2934-charles-street-na-wp_id178072749-lst/
2017-07-14T20:17:50 < englishman> a lot of these listings don't even have pix of the houses, they know the lots will be sold sight unseen
2017-07-14T20:20:16 < kakimir> that one needs a new house I think
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2017-07-14T21:10:03 < Laurenceb_> wtf prices
2017-07-14T21:12:33 < Steffanx> $1.5M gets you the entire street or what englishman?
2017-07-14T21:12:47 < englishman> haha
2017-07-14T21:13:10 < Steffanx> otherwise it's just bullshit. They think they are somewhere near silicon valley?
2017-07-14T21:13:35 < englishman> chinese just care that it'
2017-07-14T21:13:37 < englishman> s not china
2017-07-14T21:14:06 < englishman> apparently there are more vancouver real estate offices in mainland china than there are in vancouver
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2017-07-14T21:23:54 < Laurenceb_> breaking: SDF fighter tuned into the frequency that ISIS militants use on their radio communication and did an anti-ISIS broadcast.
2017-07-14T21:24:05 < Laurenceb_> shocking developments in Syria
2017-07-14T21:24:18 < Laurenceb_> isis btfo
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2017-07-14T21:26:20 < Laurenceb_> there was an SDF funeral in local cemetery here a few weeks ago, everyone in balaclavas
2017-07-14T21:28:11 < jpa-> zyp: bah, such a stupid thing; i was giving windows my real buffer size of 768 bytes, and it decided that's not enough for it
2017-07-14T21:28:20 < Laurenceb_> they are recruiting on /pol/ now, seems fitting
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2017-07-14T21:45:20 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/16a5320fa4/30725.jpg
2017-07-14T21:46:31 < Laurenceb_> wew https://archive.is/kK5GG
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2017-07-14T21:48:42 < zyp> jpa-, wat
2017-07-14T21:49:44 < jpa-> linux happily looked at my reported MTU and compared it to my reported buffer size and saw that everything was ok, but windows want atleast 1520 bytes buffer
2017-07-14T21:50:50 < zyp> are you reporting MTU through NCM?
2017-07-14T21:52:05 < jpa-> nah i'm doing rndis
2017-07-14T21:52:19 < zyp> rndis*
2017-07-14T21:52:26 < jpa-> yeah.. i think i am
2017-07-14T21:53:15 < jpa-> RNDIS_OID_GEN_MAXIMUM_FRAME_SIZE
2017-07-14T21:59:55 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/xg0NFFb.gifv
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2017-07-14T22:06:58 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/Pf3fMD5.jpg
2017-07-14T22:07:32 < Steffanx> oh lol, that is in the uk -_-. I thought they only did that in russia/china whatever, Laurenceb_.
2017-07-14T22:07:37 < Steffanx> @ gifv
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2017-07-14T22:15:00 < sync> I'd just run him over for real
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2017-07-14T22:42:55 < Laurenceb_> Harley the cockatoo
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2017-07-14T22:45:37 < Steffanx> How examing going Laurenceb_?
2017-07-14T22:46:54 < Laurenceb_> too busy trolling /b/ with Harley
2017-07-14T22:46:59 < zyp> Steffanx, how many countries have you been supplying with stroopwafels so far?
2017-07-14T22:47:05 < Steffanx> 3
2017-07-14T22:47:11 < Laurenceb_> Cockatoo posting in the new sealposting
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2017-07-14T22:47:20 < Steffanx> Switzerland, Aussieland and finland.
2017-07-14T22:47:39 < Steffanx> 4
2017-07-14T22:47:42 < Steffanx> canada too
2017-07-14T22:47:59 < zyp> ah, good
2017-07-14T22:48:23 < Steffanx> almost forgot about englishman
2017-07-14T22:48:32 < zyp> when I discussed your stroopwafel business with jpa-, I asserted my belief that you had both australia and canada on your customer list
2017-07-14T22:48:40 < Steffanx> :)
2017-07-14T22:48:43 < englishman> none to NØRGE?
2017-07-14T22:48:57 < Steffanx> Nein. I only ship airfryers to that country.
2017-07-14T22:49:21 < zyp> :)
2017-07-14T22:51:04 < Steffanx> do you have diabetes like crt too, now englishman?
2017-07-14T22:51:19 < englishman> i was able to kick the addiction
2017-07-14T22:51:40 < Steffanx> i know it's CRT, but i dont think he was joking :P
2017-07-14T22:51:41 < zyp> the insulin addiction?
2017-07-14T22:52:49 < Steffanx> and glucose.
2017-07-14T22:53:28 < englishman> after eating those waffles, you start breathing as heavily as the guy in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNPhY-mM-cA
2017-07-14T22:53:55 < zyp> Steffanx, oh, btw, I'll be flying over your house next week
2017-07-14T22:54:00 < zyp> remember to wave
2017-07-14T22:54:26 < Steffanx> where is the mission going to?
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2017-07-14T22:54:32 < mitrax> englishman: he doesn't breath that heavily
2017-07-14T22:54:43 < zyp> visiting a friend in .be
2017-07-14T22:54:53 < mitrax> englishman: this guy on the other hand ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h6ToaL6Qg8
2017-07-14T22:55:11 < Steffanx> they are both fat.
2017-07-14T22:55:21 < englishman> haha
2017-07-14T22:56:07 < upgrdman> on f4, there is "Flash prefetch, Instruction cache, Data cache" why would these NOT be enabled?
2017-07-14T22:56:14 < upgrdman> i mean like, why ever disable them
2017-07-14T22:56:24 < zyp> well, the errata is one reason :p
2017-07-14T22:56:32 < zyp> on early revisions they don't work :p
2017-07-14T22:56:35 < upgrdman> o lol
2017-07-14T22:56:53 < Steffanx> and dma and data cache can be annoying..
2017-07-14T22:57:09 < upgrdman> dma would constantly invalide the cache?
2017-07-14T22:57:22 < zyp> making timing more deterministic by making all accesses equally slow? :p
2017-07-14T22:57:33 < upgrdman> ya that's all i could think of
2017-07-14T22:57:48 < zyp> maybe power saving reasons too
2017-07-14T22:57:52 < upgrdman> if youre going to be super pro and write some artisan hand-crafted assembly and count cock cycles
2017-07-14T22:58:10 < Steffanx> i would just use the dwt cycle count for that.
2017-07-14T22:58:25 < Steffanx> who cares about 1 or 2 cycles more :P
2017-07-14T23:14:54 < Steffanx> You would have to place the buffers in non-cached area or clear/invalidate the cache manually upgrdman (afaik)
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2017-07-14T23:38:29 < kakimir> found movie for the night
2017-07-14T23:38:34 < kakimir> bridge of spies
2017-07-14T23:39:14 < kakimir> director: steven spielberg
2017-07-14T23:40:24 < invzim> gpio output in open drain mode.. 1(GPIO_PIN_SET) is float and 0(GPIO_PIN_RESET) is pull-to-gnd?
2017-07-14T23:40:33 < invzim> or is it the other way around?
2017-07-14T23:41:18 < invzim> movies.. tehconnection should get back up soon
2017-07-14T23:41:22 < invzim> I hope
2017-07-14T23:44:09 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/fingols/
2017-07-14T23:44:13 < Laurenceb_> attn kakimir
2017-07-14T23:45:31 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/G8HqJqY.png
2017-07-14T23:45:35 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2017-07-14T23:46:27 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/MDTDeQF.png
2017-07-14T23:48:52 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redd.it/6brrlj5utt1y.jpg
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2017-07-14T23:50:15 < zyp> invzim, yes
2017-07-14T23:50:39 < zyp> open drain mode just disables the high side driver, so the output will be floating when it's normally outputting 1
2017-07-14T23:53:18 < kakimir> great finnish empire is not lie
2017-07-14T23:54:56 < kakimir> swedes destroyed the evidence
2017-07-14T23:55:00 < Laurenceb_> fingol confirmed
2017-07-14T23:55:50 < kakimir> swedes christian haters removed and still remove or control evidences of great finnish kings and queens
2017-07-14T23:56:12 < kakimir> pagan kings*
2017-07-14T23:58:36 < kakimir> by building big stone churches on top of old ruins of sacred places and tombs of kings
2017-07-14T23:58:56 < invzim> zyp: thanks, a lot of loose ends here :)
2017-07-14T23:59:41 < englishman> aside: i dont think there are any "true open drain" pins on stm32, while there certainly are on stm8
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2017-07-15T00:00:18 < englishman> but yeah it just disables the high side fet
2017-07-15T00:03:00 < invzim> power-on sequency by random luck didn't work out, luckily I guess - so have to do a controlled thingie of the FPGA after stm32 is up and running
2017-07-15T00:03:29 < englishman> controlled thingie is best thingie
2017-07-15T00:04:29 < invzim> yeah, got to know the rules before you break them
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2017-07-15T00:07:19 < karlp> reykjavik, founded 30kBC? nice one lolrence
2017-07-15T00:08:53 < englishman> wait til you read about the finno-korean wars
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2017-07-15T00:09:33 < kakimir> englishman: I have not heard of that chapter
2017-07-15T00:10:33 < englishman> http://hispedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Finno-Korean_Hyperwar
2017-07-15T00:12:13 < daey> lol http://hispedia.wikia.com/wiki/Huelocaust
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2017-07-15T00:15:39 < Laurenceb_> nice a new troll wiki I didn't know about
2017-07-15T00:15:41 < Laurenceb_> http://irc.cs.sdu.edu.cn/3dshape/
2017-07-15T00:30:55 < daey> are there register define header files available that align with the official documentation naming scheme?
2017-07-15T00:31:39 < daey> i have one that is called 'stm32f411xe.h' but its odd. it contains the register bit definitions, but not the registers itself as far as i can tell
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2017-07-15T00:47:16 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, youre in the uk, right?
2017-07-15T00:47:18 < crt> stffn
2017-07-15T00:47:20 < upgrdman> what's the weather like right now
2017-07-15T00:47:26 < upgrdman> cold? hot? humid? dry?
2017-07-15T00:47:37 < upgrdman> ping'ing anyone in the UK
2017-07-15T00:47:48 < Laurenceb_> like 18C and dry
2017-07-15T00:47:52 < Laurenceb_> perfect weather
2017-07-15T00:47:53 < upgrdman> FUCK YES
2017-07-15T00:48:10 < Laurenceb_> uk having poor weather is a meme
2017-07-15T00:48:25 < upgrdman> i'm prolly gonna be trolling some EEs in london in early august
2017-07-15T00:49:00 < upgrdman> FINALLY a fucking business trip to somewhere in the First World
2017-07-15T00:49:36 < Laurenceb_> nice irony
2017-07-15T00:49:41 < Laurenceb_> >London
2017-07-15T00:49:46 < Laurenceb_> >First world
2017-07-15T00:50:00 < upgrdman> i've been to london before (long time ago) ... its 1st world
2017-07-15T00:50:11 < upgrdman> unless it's gone to shit i nthe last 20yrs
2017-07-15T00:50:20 < crt> Niggers
2017-07-15T00:50:27 < Laurenceb_> >20 years
2017-07-15T00:50:28 < Laurenceb_> lol
2017-07-15T00:50:29 < upgrdman> upgrdboy was in london in the mid 1990's
2017-07-15T00:50:38 < upgrdman> for a summer
2017-07-15T00:51:01 < Laurenceb_> last time I was in London someone threw a brick at me and shouted racist shit
2017-07-15T00:51:04 < englishman> !wz london
2017-07-15T00:51:04 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, do you think t-shirt/shorts is enough, or will it get cold at dawm/dusk?
2017-07-15T00:51:05 < dieforirc> [London, United Kingdom] Clear. Temp is 18.3°C. East wind: 1.4 kph. Humidity: 59%.
2017-07-15T00:51:34 < daey> Laurenceb_: this year they throw acid. you were lucky! :P
2017-07-15T00:51:46 < crt> https://youtu.be/e82PQyY1djI
2017-07-15T00:51:48 < englishman> bring your wellingtons and galoshes
2017-07-15T00:52:06 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: I'd bring some warmer clothes
2017-07-15T00:52:09 < upgrdman> fuck
2017-07-15T00:52:14 < upgrdman> i own like 1 pair of jean pants
2017-07-15T00:52:21 < Laurenceb_> but UK doesnt go crazy cold when it gets dark
2017-07-15T00:52:29 < Laurenceb_> cuz its not desert climate type :P
2017-07-15T00:53:16 < crt> UK
2017-07-15T00:54:18 < Laurenceb_> no cuck without U and K
2017-07-15T00:54:26 < crt> Lol
2017-07-15T00:55:41 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/xoFnC1I.jpg
2017-07-15T00:56:05 < Laurenceb_> >visual pollution
2017-07-15T00:56:19 < Laurenceb_> ur a visual pollution
2017-07-15T00:57:45 < crt> An autistic arrangement
2017-07-15T00:58:32 < crt> When are they banning fat cunts from seats
2017-07-15T00:59:38 < Laurenceb_> vous ne polluerez plus leur champ visuel
2017-07-15T00:59:48 < crt> U wot mate
2017-07-15T00:59:52 < Laurenceb_> my new chat up line for French grrllz
2017-07-15T01:00:03 < crt> Works
2017-07-15T01:00:16 < crt> Can we cull fat people
2017-07-15T01:01:05 < englishman> there would be no australia left after that
2017-07-15T01:02:31 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redditmedia.com/U4ixTVpEiDWs-y36t7AhccXh95ndHcAbrQiIuIBGnsg.jpg?w=576&s=84759b2aea07298284d1e89a7e90351d
2017-07-15T01:02:32 < crt> I wish
2017-07-15T01:03:18 < crt> Perhaps I'd be 1 of the 10 people left
2017-07-15T01:06:55 < crt> 🐈
2017-07-15T01:06:59 < crt> 🦆
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2017-07-15T01:20:35 < upgrdman> hmm. 12.5hr flight from cn to uk
2017-07-15T01:20:51 < upgrdman> just a little shorter than from usa to cn
2017-07-15T01:21:38 < daey> but you lose less time :)
2017-07-15T01:24:37 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ag8p3HdZpU musictimes
2017-07-15T01:32:07 < kakimir> I never thought manspreading would be a problem
2017-07-15T01:32:11 < kakimir> ever
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2017-07-15T01:45:47 < daey> can someone tell me how these two differ? http://lpaste.net/356940
2017-07-15T01:46:08 < daey> differ as in, how/ why do they return different things
2017-07-15T01:49:07 < daey> the problematic code: http://lpaste.net/356941 When i swap out line 1 with 2 then line 3 causes that the led does not blink
2017-07-15T01:53:50 < karlp> daey: here's a protip, don't use assembly until you're further along with basic functionality
2017-07-15T01:54:09 < karlp> there's no "I want to learn the basics first" in thinking that assembly will help.
2017-07-15T01:54:12 < karlp> that's just wrong
2017-07-15T01:56:12 < daey> the assembly code isnt by me.
2017-07-15T01:56:20 < upgrdman> with stdperiphlib, and an f429, i get errors like "stm32f4xx_cryp.c error CRYP undeclared" ... my f4 doesn't have cryp. i'm using gcc -DSTM32F429xx, am i forgetting something?
2017-07-15T01:56:56 < daey> my issue is that it is working while my simple pointer assignment isnt for w/e reason. it works to some degree but not 100%
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2017-07-15T01:58:49 < karlp> are you using volatile pointers? (I don't thik you were last time you tried this)
2017-07-15T01:58:59 < daey> ah
2017-07-15T01:59:04 < upgrdman> now i get errors like "stm32f4xx_gpio.c:418:8: error: 'GPIO_TypeDef {aka struct <anonymous>}' has no member named 'BSRRL'; did you mean 'BSRR'?"
2017-07-15T01:59:18 < karlp> daey: you know when I linked to the MMIO8/16/32 macros in libopencm3?
2017-07-15T01:59:22 < karlp> I did that for a reason :)
2017-07-15T01:59:30 < upgrdman> does stdperiphlib not look at -DSTM32F429xx ?
2017-07-15T01:59:38 < daey> karlp: i missed that link i think :x
2017-07-15T01:59:39 < karlp> upgrdman: porting f1 code to f4?
2017-07-15T01:59:49 < upgrdman> trying to get a usb example working
2017-07-15T02:00:02 < upgrdman> and i dont normally use stdperiphlib, but this example does
2017-07-15T02:00:13 < karlp> iirc, one ofthe families had separte bssrrl and bsrrh but the other has just higher and lower 16 bits in bssrr
2017-07-15T02:00:28 < upgrdman> ya my f429 just has BSRR
2017-07-15T02:00:41 < upgrdman> so why is stdperiphlib not know that
2017-07-15T02:04:17 < upgrdman> o nm
2017-07-15T02:04:29 < upgrdman> im using CMSIS from Cube. i need to use CMSIS from stdperiph
2017-07-15T02:04:45 < upgrdman> wtf did they change CMSIS for that :/
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2017-07-15T02:17:03 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, anything i should know before going to the UK? i assume the tap water is safe to drink, etc.
2017-07-15T02:17:16 < Laurenceb_> yeah its good
2017-07-15T02:17:30 < Laurenceb_> take some water to dilute the acid attacks
2017-07-15T02:17:33 < Laurenceb_>  /troll
2017-07-15T02:17:35 < upgrdman> lol
2017-07-15T02:18:07 < Laurenceb_> tbh I don't get why its so hazardous
2017-07-15T02:18:18 < upgrdman> what, the tap water?
2017-07-15T02:18:20 < daey> :D
2017-07-15T02:18:21 < Laurenceb_> I've blasted myself in the face with conc sulphuric before
2017-07-15T02:18:22 < upgrdman> in china its shit
2017-07-15T02:18:26 < upgrdman> oh the acid
2017-07-15T02:18:29 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-07-15T02:18:41 < Laurenceb_> why must have left it on for like an hour or something stupid
2017-07-15T02:19:08 < Laurenceb_> I just wasted face immediately with water
2017-07-15T02:19:17 < Laurenceb_> just a little red, no serious damage
2017-07-15T02:19:18 < daey> well you dont have that on the street.
2017-07-15T02:19:39 < sync> you have beverages on the street
2017-07-15T02:19:41 < sync> or storefronts
2017-07-15T02:19:51 < daey> aside from that, what acid do they even use? according to the news they buy it in stores. which i would assume makes hydrochloric acid a likely candiate
2017-07-15T02:20:01 < Laurenceb_> yeah I don't get that either
2017-07-15T02:20:22 < upgrdman> iirc shits expensive in the uk
2017-07-15T02:20:27 < Laurenceb_> whenever I need any chemicals its like getting a firearms license level of paperwork
2017-07-15T02:20:28 < upgrdman> how much is like a meal at mcdonalds?
2017-07-15T02:20:36 < Laurenceb_> dunno I never go
2017-07-15T02:20:37 < upgrdman> 10lbs?
2017-07-15T02:20:42 < Laurenceb_> prob <£5
2017-07-15T02:20:46 < upgrdman> oh cool
2017-07-15T02:20:52 < upgrdman> its like $7usd
2017-07-15T02:20:55 < upgrdman> so ~same
2017-07-15T02:20:59 < Laurenceb_> yeah 10 would be getting ripped off
2017-07-15T02:21:01 < daey> aside from that they dont seem to use the acid as a means to cause permanent damage..more like a tool to rip of your scooter
2017-07-15T02:21:29 < daey> at least thats what news here said~
2017-07-15T02:21:39 < upgrdman> uk does block google right?
2017-07-15T02:21:43 < upgrdman> does NOT, i mean
2017-07-15T02:21:51 < Laurenceb_> ftw they are all uni students and rip off the acid from chem labs
2017-07-15T02:21:52 < daey> its not china :D
2017-07-15T02:21:54 < upgrdman> they just block all the porn
2017-07-15T02:22:02 < Laurenceb_> dude its easy to bypass
2017-07-15T02:22:06 < Laurenceb_> you can fap ok
2017-07-15T02:22:10 < upgrdman> lol
2017-07-15T02:22:14 < upgrdman> i have vpn anyway
2017-07-15T02:22:21 < upgrdman> but not worried about porn
2017-07-15T02:22:23 < daey> where is it located?
2017-07-15T02:22:28 < upgrdman> my vpn? california
2017-07-15T02:22:31 < daey> viva la france!
2017-07-15T02:22:32 < daey> oh ok
2017-07-15T02:22:33 < Laurenceb_> I have fallen victim to the pervert detector before
2017-07-15T02:22:42 < Laurenceb_> it told me to seek help
2017-07-15T02:22:46 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, lol really?
2017-07-15T02:23:01 < Laurenceb_> yes if it thinks you are a sexual deviant you get a gov redirect page
2017-07-15T02:23:02 < upgrdman> is there like a pic of the queen looking surprised and shaming you?
2017-07-15T02:23:09 < Laurenceb_> lul almost
2017-07-15T02:23:43 < Laurenceb_> but there is no china level blocking
2017-07-15T02:23:55 < daey> arent torrent pages blocked as well?
2017-07-15T02:24:09 < Laurenceb_> its unclear what has actually been implemented, there is no money for allthegov crazy schemes
2017-07-15T02:24:12 < Laurenceb_> some are...
2017-07-15T02:24:18 < upgrdman> ya that's a good idea, i'll torrent all sorts of content while on a business trip. that'll go over well.
2017-07-15T02:24:18 < Laurenceb_> stupid space bar
2017-07-15T02:24:57 < Laurenceb_> government wants like deep packet inspection with AI to detect perverts and terrorists
2017-07-15T02:25:10 < Laurenceb_> like any of this will ever happen
2017-07-15T02:25:15 < upgrdman> DPI huh, china can help you guys out with that.
2017-07-15T02:25:20 < upgrdman> china LOVES dpi
2017-07-15T02:25:20 < Laurenceb_> cuz there is zero budget
2017-07-15T02:25:48 < Laurenceb_> I've never had any issues
2017-07-15T02:26:06 < Laurenceb_> worst was the pervert page when I was googling for baby rape memes
2017-07-15T02:26:12 < upgrdman> lol
2017-07-15T02:26:33 < upgrdman> TIL that's a category of meme
2017-07-15T02:26:48 < upgrdman> what time is it now
2017-07-15T02:26:49 < upgrdman> in uk
2017-07-15T02:26:59 < upgrdman> 1230am?
2017-07-15T02:27:07 < Laurenceb_> I don't always rape babies, but when I do I get the pervert page
2017-07-15T02:27:08 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-07-15T02:27:43 < Laurenceb_> where are you atm upgrdman?
2017-07-15T02:27:50 < upgrdman> im a calif right now
2017-07-15T02:27:51 < Laurenceb_> Trumpistan?
2017-07-15T02:27:52 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-07-15T02:28:00 < upgrdman> will be shanghai'd and then london'd
2017-07-15T02:28:06 < Laurenceb_> eeek jet lag
2017-07-15T02:28:11 < upgrdman> yes
2017-07-15T02:28:19 < upgrdman> jet lag all the thing
2017-07-15T02:28:32 < upgrdman> well i assume london
2017-07-15T02:28:47 < upgrdman> i dont remember if it was london or england or whatever
2017-07-15T02:28:55 < upgrdman> im a stupid american and dont know the difference.
2017-07-15T02:29:11 < Laurenceb_> did you know what 3% of uk grrls between ages 18 and 35 work as?
2017-07-15T02:29:21 < upgrdman> sluts?
2017-07-15T02:29:27 < Laurenceb_> correct
2017-07-15T02:29:36  * upgrdman takes notes
2017-07-15T02:29:39 < Laurenceb_> https://tinyurl.com/y7szbvt3
2017-07-15T02:29:52 < upgrdman> that that SFW
2017-07-15T02:29:55 < upgrdman> is that SFW
2017-07-15T02:30:21 < Laurenceb_> of course not
2017-07-15T02:30:36 < Laurenceb_> uk has one of the highest proportions of hookers in the world
2017-07-15T02:30:50 < Laurenceb_> when I walk home from work its like gta irl
2017-07-15T02:30:54 < upgrdman> lol
2017-07-15T02:30:58 < upgrdman> is it legal
2017-07-15T02:32:13 < Laurenceb_> no
2017-07-15T02:32:14 < Laurenceb_> lol
2017-07-15T02:32:33 < upgrdman> how much do they usually charge for their "time"
2017-07-15T02:32:44 < Laurenceb_> how could I possibly know such a thing
2017-07-15T02:32:49 < upgrdman> hahah
2017-07-15T02:32:49 < Laurenceb_> ask Tectu
2017-07-15T02:35:28 < Laurenceb_> one of my neighbours is from Cali
2017-07-15T02:35:55 < Laurenceb_> he was in prison for about 20 years over there, bit time dealer
2017-07-15T02:36:14 < Laurenceb_> dunno how the hell he managed to get citizenship here
2017-07-15T02:36:49 < upgrdman> maybe he gave tony blair a few kilos
2017-07-15T02:38:18 < Laurenceb_> to return to topic
2017-07-15T02:38:27 < Laurenceb_> does anyone have discrete time pll code ?
2017-07-15T02:38:38 < Laurenceb_> I'm getting confused by the loop filter equations
2017-07-15T02:46:19 < Laurenceb_> http://liquidsdr.org/blog/pll-howto/
2017-07-15T02:46:26  * Laurenceb_ still confused
2017-07-15T02:47:48 < Laurenceb_> float K                 = 1000;     // pll loop gain
2017-07-15T02:47:53 < Laurenceb_> like...why
2017-07-15T03:02:33 < kakimir> I assumed GB internet supervision was better than that Laurenceb_
2017-07-15T03:03:06 < Laurenceb_> I've never been blocked at all
2017-07-15T03:03:20 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-15T03:03:30 < kakimir> that is what I mean
2017-07-15T03:03:33 < Laurenceb_> heh
2017-07-15T03:03:47 < Laurenceb_> there are blocks in Finland?
2017-07-15T03:04:12 < kakimir> dns filtering for CP
2017-07-15T03:04:25 < kakimir> nothing solid
2017-07-15T03:04:26 < crt> Bareback hooker stories
2017-07-15T03:05:45 < Laurenceb_> we tried to order a hooker for one of our teachers once
2017-07-15T03:05:59 < Laurenceb_> turned out the advert was actually a coded thing for some drugs pickup
2017-07-15T03:06:08 < crt> Lol
2017-07-15T03:06:13 < Laurenceb_> they wanted us to go to some location and pick up the shipment
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2017-07-15T03:06:49 < crt> Dis iZ duh puhlise!
2017-07-15T03:07:11 < crt> Put the tendies on the ground!
2017-07-15T03:07:36 < Laurenceb_> well ringing one of the numbers is a crime itself
2017-07-15T03:07:36 < crt> wojack
2017-07-15T03:07:44 < crt> Cool
2017-07-15T03:07:45 < Laurenceb_> so it was quite smart
2017-07-15T03:07:57 < Laurenceb_> we had to take drugs to their dealer
2017-07-15T03:08:10 < crt> The cunts
2017-07-15T03:08:16 < Laurenceb_> or they would pass our details onto the police
2017-07-15T03:08:25 < upgrdman> with gcc you can -Dfoo to #define foo. is that a way to do that for functions
2017-07-15T03:08:25 < Laurenceb_> if we stole the drugs they would shoot us
2017-07-15T03:08:36 < upgrdman> like a gcc flag to define a macro function
2017-07-15T03:09:19 < Laurenceb_> guy was literally liek "scumbag virgin kids, ur fucked now"
2017-07-15T03:09:49 < Laurenceb_> u best have all my shipment in the bag
2017-07-15T03:10:17 < Laurenceb_> >tried to pwn teacher
2017-07-15T03:10:30 < Laurenceb_> >got epically btfo by dealer
2017-07-15T03:12:12 < Laurenceb_> in hindsight thats why they put up a hooker advert outside a school
2017-07-15T03:12:58 < crt> Lol
2017-07-15T03:13:14 < crt> Hooker stories
2017-07-15T03:13:28 < Laurenceb_> police wouldn't be allowed to follow schoolkids with the drugs
2017-07-15T03:13:57 < sync> wut, how can ringing the number be a crime Laurenceb_?
2017-07-15T03:13:58 < upgrdman> getting a bunch of "implicit declaration of function 'assert_param'"
2017-07-15T03:14:00 < Laurenceb_> would have to arrest them and all the kids would be able to say was "we rang the hooker number for epin bantz"
2017-07-15T03:14:08 < upgrdman> is there a gcc flag to remove those
2017-07-15T03:14:27 < Laurenceb_> sync: prob not but you can bullshit some 14 year olds into thinking so
2017-07-15T03:16:16 < crt> memetics
2017-07-15T03:18:19 < crt> Dogs
2017-07-15T03:19:27 < Laurenceb_> WHY IS K 1000
2017-07-15T03:19:29 < Laurenceb_> rage
2017-07-15T03:20:58 < crt> Cause
2017-07-15T03:21:05 < crt> It's a magic number
2017-07-15T03:21:07 < sync> why the fuck not
2017-07-15T03:21:17 < crt> Lol
2017-07-15T03:26:07 < crt> I want to compete in the budd dwyer Olympics
2017-07-15T03:26:20 < crt> Who has a .357 revolver I can borrow
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2017-07-15T03:45:07 < Laurenceb_> all the other numbers in here are explained
2017-07-15T03:51:57 < Laurenceb_> https://kek.gg/i/3t4pmM.jpg
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2017-07-15T04:46:59 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/akwbvvdrtj9z.jpg
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2017-07-15T05:08:18 < crt> wtf am i looking at
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2017-07-15T05:40:40 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/gnqVPt4.gifv
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2017-07-15T06:09:06 < crt> PARTS WHORE
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2017-07-15T06:09:22 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hDAEx550/IMG_0437.JPG
2017-07-15T06:12:47 < kakimir> what you hope to get from it?
2017-07-15T06:14:06 < crt> the part which i wrote fucked on
2017-07-15T06:14:14 < crt> thats the bad part, good part is taken
2017-07-15T06:25:46 < crt> 15 Disc Guide DNK3478
2017-07-15T06:26:06 < crt> now you can buy one too kakimir
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2017-07-15T07:32:14 < crt> 666
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2017-07-15T08:05:50 < crt> how do i make a 2 quadrant power supply
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2017-07-15T08:12:52 < crt> cool
2017-07-15T08:13:00 < crt> it blew up!
2017-07-15T08:13:01 < crt> fuck!
2017-07-15T08:14:48 < crt> i haven't felt this betrayed since stffn gave me so many stroopwafels i became diabeetus
2017-07-15T08:17:13 < crt> 50/50
2017-07-15T08:40:47 < dongs> sup stoners
2017-07-15T08:45:04 < dongs> drawn by WILLIS
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2017-07-15T09:05:18 < dongs> get a boner instead
2017-07-15T09:06:00 < dongs> beer is for FAGS
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2017-07-15T09:12:49 < Streaker> boner wine
2017-07-15T09:24:39 < dongs> ive been at t he office since morning, nobody here still
2017-07-15T09:24:46 < dongs> these dickstarter retards sure care about their shit actually shipping
2017-07-15T09:25:16 < zyp> why hurry if they already got paid?
2017-07-15T09:25:20 < dongs> haha
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2017-07-15T09:45:39 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/dubstep4dads/status/885640829330530304
2017-07-15T09:46:13 < ohsix> crt: wats a 2 quadrant psu called when it's an instrument, an smu?
2017-07-15T09:46:21 < ohsix> or an electronic load
2017-07-15T09:46:40 < ohsix> today was a complete and total pile of fuck
2017-07-15T09:47:23 < ohsix> there's a conspiracy theory guy that i bump into occasionally at the lab, he mostly comes around to say that nasa is fake
2017-07-15T09:48:19 < ohsix> today was one of the pity days, i spoke to him for more than 3 hours, and we couldn't figure out where to start with anything
2017-07-15T09:48:47 < ohsix> he couldn't even accept that the speed of light was a fact, 'the meter is man made'
2017-07-15T09:50:11 < ohsix> blah
2017-07-15T09:50:38 < ohsix> if the guy isn't starting shit he's likeable enough, affable, not bad to have around
2017-07-15T09:51:16 < ohsix> but since the breakdown is so severe and disagreement about basic facts of the universe so stark, i've got to just start blanking him and it's super uncomfortable and feels like fail
2017-07-15T09:51:54 < crt> Oh
2017-07-15T09:53:58 < ohsix> i can't find a severe and damaging enough way to say that talking to him is a waste of time either, it just goes over his head; and any time he commits a major social error he says he was trolling
2017-07-15T09:55:13 < Steffanx> Its weekend, why work dongs?
2017-07-15T09:58:02 < upgrdman> ohsix, SMUs are four quad iirc
2017-07-15T09:58:14 < upgrdman> ohsix, by two quad you mean souce and sink positive current?
2017-07-15T09:59:26 < crt> I worked today stffn
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2017-07-15T10:03:00 < Steffanx> But you are crt
2017-07-15T10:04:24 < ohsix> upgrdman: huh oic
2017-07-15T10:04:54 < ohsix> 2 quadrant just means you can essentially reverse pos/neg?
2017-07-15T10:05:14 < ohsix> or not
2017-07-15T10:05:58 < ohsix> i see people calling the source/sink variant either 2 or 4 quadrant
2017-07-15T10:06:48 < ohsix> http://www.accelinstruments.com/Applications/TS200/Four-Quadrant.html
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2017-07-15T10:07:42 < crt> crt
2017-07-15T10:08:21 < ohsix> lcd
2017-07-15T10:08:23 < upgrdman> ohsix, what do you need. a psu with a ground terminal, and another terminal that can go positive or negative?
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2017-07-15T10:10:46 < ohsix> nah i was just asking crt what he meant up the buffer
2017-07-15T10:10:59 < ohsix> 22:05 < crt> how do i make a 2 quadrant power supply
2017-07-15T10:12:08 < ohsix> i'd just buy the instrument tbh
2017-07-15T10:12:15 < ohsix> or hax a sepic converter
2017-07-15T10:33:00 < crt> Oh no !
2017-07-15T10:33:09 < crt> I was so close !
2017-07-15T10:34:09 < crt> I could've cleaned out all the gangs and immigrants! I only did it for the good of the American people!
2017-07-15T10:35:38 < Steffanx> R2COM is that you?
2017-07-15T10:35:48 < Steffanx> Oh Commy R Too
2017-07-15T10:36:54 < ohsix> https://github.com/search?q=%3Awq&type=Code&utf8=%E2%9C%93
2017-07-15T10:37:03 < Thorn> http://thehackernews.com/2017/07/windows-10-ubuntu-linux.html
2017-07-15T10:38:02 < ohsix> is that better than whatever.ycombinatorboners
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2017-07-15T10:56:51 < crt> !
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2017-07-15T11:06:47 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/2LwTLzw.png this made me think of dongs when i read it
2017-07-15T11:07:12 < ohsix> over a specific type of shit he was giving me like 6 years ago nobody but he or i will even know OLOLOL
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2017-07-15T12:30:46 < Steffanx> nothing R2COM. For a second i thought crt and you where the same guy.
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2017-07-15T13:11:45 < englishman> is R2COM abusing chatters again?
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2017-07-15T13:23:44 < Steffanx> Nein meinherr englishman
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2017-07-15T13:44:51 < phr3ak> I have problem with the newer r2. sometimes it switch to arm instruction set. which command line parameters needed to avoid this?
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2017-07-15T13:47:02 < phr3ak> so -a arm -b 16 are not enough
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2017-07-15T14:04:22 < crt> Iodiftgofap
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2017-07-15T14:34:55 < mitrax> crt: fat good flip
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2017-07-15T14:44:20 < crt> Hi
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2017-07-15T14:53:49 < crt> mitrax
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2017-07-15T14:54:41 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome.
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2017-07-15T16:07:58 < mitrax> crt: yeah, sorry i was eating
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2017-07-15T16:32:21 < Steffanx> it takes you that long?
2017-07-15T16:32:30 < Steffanx> oh you are french right?
2017-07-15T16:32:35 < mitrax> yes :p
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2017-07-15T17:58:08 < Laurenceb_> anyone here familiar with PLLs  ?
2017-07-15T18:02:08  * Laurenceb_ is trying to write a pll in c and failing
2017-07-15T18:02:36 < Laurenceb_> I tried a perman00b approach and it actually worked, but wasn't optimal
2017-07-15T18:03:00 < Laurenceb_> now trying the pro coefficient generation equations and its failing
2017-07-15T18:03:44 < Steffanx> PLLs wont help you pass the drivers license theory exame.
2017-07-15T18:03:48 < Steffanx> -e
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2017-07-15T18:06:12 < emeb_mac> software PLLs are easy
2017-07-15T18:06:32 < emeb_mac> do them all the time
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2017-07-15T18:09:16 < Laurenceb_> emeb_mac: ok, do you use a PI controller model?
2017-07-15T18:10:06 < Laurenceb_> I've got some example code using IIR filters but I'm not sure how to init the filters
2017-07-15T18:10:41 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: yes - simple PI
2017-07-15T18:10:59 < Laurenceb_> ah ok thats what I wrote first
2017-07-15T18:11:18 < Laurenceb_> do you have the equations to generate the coefficients?
2017-07-15T18:11:37 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: I rarely ever bother optimizing coeffs
2017-07-15T18:11:43 < Laurenceb_> ah
2017-07-15T18:11:54 < Laurenceb_> thats what lead me down this path :-S
2017-07-15T18:11:59 < emeb_mac> I just WAG it until the thing settles down right
2017-07-15T18:12:07 < emeb_mac> the coeffs aren't that critical
2017-07-15T18:12:25 < Laurenceb_> I need to generate coefficients from zeta,k, and omega
2017-07-15T18:12:48 < Laurenceb_> well it makes quite a difference to performance when I tweak them in my code
2017-07-15T18:13:00 < Laurenceb_> but its all nonlinear so hard to work out
2017-07-15T18:13:11 < Laurenceb_> need to map zeta,k, omega to P and I
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2017-07-15T18:13:30 < Laurenceb_>  (damping, gain, and bandwidth)
2017-07-15T18:13:33 < emeb_mac> right
2017-07-15T18:13:39 < emeb_mac> how noisy is your input?
2017-07-15T18:13:46 < Laurenceb_> as noisy as possible
2017-07-15T18:13:54 < Laurenceb_> trying to track rf carriers in noise
2017-07-15T18:14:04 < emeb_mac> yeah - that's what I do too
2017-07-15T18:14:20 < Laurenceb_> I can easily get 5dB improvement by tweaking things slightly
2017-07-15T18:14:30 < Laurenceb_> but I'm not sure what I'd doing
2017-07-15T18:14:41 < Laurenceb_> if I'm breaking it in other ways
2017-07-15T18:14:47 < emeb_mac> my finding is that all those greek parameters create a pretty flat performance surface
2017-07-15T18:14:53 < emeb_mac> in the presence of noise
2017-07-15T18:14:59 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2017-07-15T18:15:07 < emeb_mac> so getting close is usually enough
2017-07-15T18:15:10 < Laurenceb_> my carrier changes v rapidly tho
2017-07-15T18:15:17 < Laurenceb_> this is for rockoon tracking
2017-07-15T18:15:28 < emeb_mac> lots of doppler?
2017-07-15T18:15:39 < Laurenceb_> so it's rather more demanding than tcxo tracking
2017-07-15T18:15:40 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-07-15T18:15:52 < emeb_mac> will you have an adaptive bandwidth?
2017-07-15T18:16:02 < Laurenceb_> no
2017-07-15T18:16:08 < emeb_mac> hmmm
2017-07-15T18:16:16 < Laurenceb_> I have acquisition and tracking
2017-07-15T18:16:27 < emeb_mac> that's fine then
2017-07-15T18:16:34 < Laurenceb_> acquisition uses fft
2017-07-15T18:16:39 < emeb_mac> yep
2017-07-15T18:16:44 < emeb_mac> that's often what I do
2017-07-15T18:17:10 < emeb_mac> is the receiver running in ground equipment?
2017-07-15T18:19:00 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-07-15T18:19:20 < emeb_mac> so you have cycles to burn and can back up and rerun if you miss something?
2017-07-15T18:19:35 < Laurenceb_> yeah its on a pc
2017-07-15T18:19:51 < Laurenceb_> everything is logged to wav files then backed up
2017-07-15T18:20:02 < emeb_mac> ya
2017-07-15T18:20:16 < emeb_mac> I do that when developing algorithms
2017-07-15T18:20:41 < emeb_mac> but my stuff ends up running on FPGAs in field equipment
2017-07-15T18:21:37 < emeb_mac> WRT the PI coeffs - my experience has been that simple power-of-2 values for the multipliers (shifts) is plenty of resolution.
2017-07-15T18:25:50 < emeb_mac> The problem with trying to nail down super-accurate coeffs from zeta/gain/bw is that the gain of your phase detector varies widely with the SNR of the input signal
2017-07-15T18:26:03 < emeb_mac> which is only sort of known at design time
2017-07-15T18:27:17 < Laurenceb_> I dont think thats a problem with a Costas loop
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2017-07-15T18:31:02 < emeb_mac> :)
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2017-07-15T18:47:40 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2017-07-15T18:47:50 < Laurenceb_> I think my P and I values might be complete junk
2017-07-15T18:50:20 < Laurenceb_> can't find the equations anywhere :-/
2017-07-15T18:50:54 < Laurenceb_> everything is for hardware implementations in continuous time
2017-07-15T18:52:36 < emeb_mac> that's true - even when we do the implementation as discrete we still use the classic continuous eqns
2017-07-15T18:53:22 < emeb_mac> which is kind of crazy when you consider that often the sample rates are very near the bandwidth of the signal
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2017-07-15T19:13:38 < Laurenceb_> found it
2017-07-15T19:13:39 < Laurenceb_> http://read.pudn.com/downloads154/sourcecode/app/685304/GNSS_SDR/A%20Software-Defined%20GPS%20and%20Galileo%20Receiver.pdf
2017-07-15T19:13:42 < Laurenceb_> page 104
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2017-07-15T19:38:55 < kakimir> Steffanx: do you cook food and how good you are to cook?
2017-07-15T19:39:13 < Steffanx> im a bad cook
2017-07-15T19:39:46 < kakimir> does someone cook for you?
2017-07-15T19:39:59 < kakimir> can you do mashed potatos?
2017-07-15T19:40:20 < kakimir> you know milk, onion, potatoes mixed?
2017-07-15T19:40:37 < Steffanx> How one cannot do that?
2017-07-15T19:40:59 < kakimir> if you are really bad cook
2017-07-15T19:41:15 < Steffanx> Im glad the typical dutch meals are very easy to make
2017-07-15T19:42:07 < kakimir> what are they?
2017-07-15T19:42:54 < Steffanx> thinks like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutspot
2017-07-15T19:43:26 < Steffanx> and then the "Similar foods" section too
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2017-07-15T19:44:03 < kakimir> hmm
2017-07-15T19:44:12 < kakimir> my grandma makes something like that
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2017-07-15T19:45:48 < kakimir> and "hirvikeitto"
2017-07-15T19:45:58 < kakimir> moose soup
2017-07-15T19:46:26 < kakimir> really simple - potato, carrot, onion, moose, pepper, salt, water
2017-07-15T20:05:42 < kakimir> started with moose and salt and pepper then after some time the vegies are added
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2017-07-15T20:26:16 < invzim> tuborg sommer beer, how bad can it be...
2017-07-15T20:26:19 < invzim> summer
2017-07-15T20:26:35 < invzim> pretty damn bad it turns out
2017-07-15T20:28:37 < kakimir> you are drunk?
2017-07-15T20:29:03 < kakimir> or beer was too bad to drink?
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2017-07-15T20:35:04 < invzim> tastes like carbonated water
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2017-07-15T20:53:11 < kakimir> I have heard the industrial process of making beer involves dumping vast amounts of chemicals in it
2017-07-15T20:53:57 < kakimir> it's not so much "organic" process that people think
2017-07-15T20:55:13 < invzim> is it hard to do lager type beer at home?
2017-07-15T20:55:42 < invzim> most brew-heads tend to do thick ales and the like
2017-07-15T20:55:53 < kakimir> my friend tries to brew beer himself
2017-07-15T20:56:24 < kakimir> everything he has made has tasted like pus
2017-07-15T20:56:31 < kakimir> bacterial contamination
2017-07-15T20:58:17 < invzim> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyuv3WXPQsM
2017-07-15T20:58:21 < invzim> this one gave me a chuckle :)
2017-07-15T21:03:09 < Steffanx> Remind that video next time you use it invzim.
2017-07-15T21:05:31 < invzim> that thing is way to weak, at my house we use 3-phase stuff :)
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2017-07-15T21:25:22 < invzim> allreet, unintended use for my new fancy multimeter - it has ethernet and software for it, so I can do a proper temperature chart of my cheapo reflow oven :)
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2017-07-15T21:28:19 < Steffanx> Why mm?
2017-07-15T21:28:26 < Steffanx> What*
2017-07-15T21:33:12 < crt> 🐁
2017-07-15T21:39:20 < invzim> to set a profile on it that is real and not based on random numbers? :)
2017-07-15T21:41:27 < Steffanx> But what new fancy mm do you have mr invzim
2017-07-15T21:41:55 < invzim> ah, just got a couple of days ago
2017-07-15T21:41:58 < invzim> siglent sdm3055
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2017-07-15T22:48:07 < zyp> invzim, how much did that cost you?
2017-07-15T22:48:33 < vampi-the-frog> hi zyp
2017-07-15T22:48:38 < zyp> hi
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2017-07-15T23:21:01 < invzim> zyp: 426usd shipped by dhl
2017-07-15T23:21:21 < invzim> + got them to declare it as 100USD, so I'm sure there will be a bill later for tax
2017-07-15T23:22:03 < invzim> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Siglent-new-SDM3055-5-5-digit-dual-display-digital-multimeter-professional-multimeters-true-rms-FREE-SHIPPING/32720793998.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.wYe6sK
2017-07-15T23:22:51 < invzim> they were a bit slow to ship out, but the cal papers were from after I ordered it - so I guess they were just out of stock
2017-07-15T23:38:37 < Steffanx> Here in dutchland they ask to pay the taxes before you get the item
2017-07-15T23:39:34 < Steffanx> It even has the golden oldy gpib?
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2017-07-16T00:05:52 < kakimir> same here
2017-07-16T00:09:16 < zyp> in norway it varies by carrier and service
2017-07-16T00:09:52 < zyp> normal postal stuff collects the taxes as CoD
2017-07-16T00:10:40 < zyp> but the big carriers like dhl/ups/fedex all front the taxes for you and then invoices you afterwards
2017-07-16T00:11:20 < zyp> DHL even tends to label the boxes as «not customs cleared yet, must not be opened until customs processing is finished»
2017-07-16T00:11:33 < zyp> it's extra fun to rip them open as soon as you get them
2017-07-16T00:12:23 < zyp> invzim, so, you're P***r K.
2017-07-16T00:12:27 < zyp> I'm onto you now
2017-07-16T00:12:36 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-16T00:12:44 < kakimir> DHL delivers first and then sends bill
2017-07-16T00:13:42 < zyp> the big carriers like paying the taxes for you, because that means they can add an extra fee for that service and interest on taxes paid
2017-07-16T00:14:00 < Adluc> it take 4 days from china to europe, express, and then a week and half at the customs #justslovakiathings
2017-07-16T00:14:18 < zyp> with what carrier?
2017-07-16T00:14:38 < kakimir> funland it's only 2-4days in customs
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2017-07-16T00:14:56 < Adluc> any, you just have to copy them your ID, sign a declaration that they represent you at the declaration and then pass it to customs
2017-07-16T00:14:57 < kakimir> 2days if you look from tracking that it's stuck in customs
2017-07-16T00:15:05 < zyp> big stuff pass through customs immediately here
2017-07-16T00:15:08 < kakimir> 3-4days if you wait the paper to arrive
2017-07-16T00:15:11 < Adluc> usually every carier has their people dealing with this shit
2017-07-16T00:15:28 < Adluc> well
2017-07-16T00:16:06 < zyp> like, a package can arrive the country and get customs processed in Oslo at 7AM in the morning, and then get delivered to my door here 300km away six hours later
2017-07-16T00:16:29 < Adluc> that quite impressive
2017-07-16T00:16:50 < zyp> that's how getting stuff from digikey usually works out for me
2017-07-16T00:17:26 < Adluc> well, e.g. from mouser, import tax is already paid
2017-07-16T00:17:27 < Adluc> afaik
2017-07-16T00:17:48 < zyp> import tax in what sense?
2017-07-16T00:18:07 < zyp> when I get something from digikey or mouser I still have to pay VAT
2017-07-16T00:18:17 < zyp> norwegian VAT, that is
2017-07-16T00:18:30 < Adluc> money you would otherwise pay to the customs if it was just packaged and labeled with a value
2017-07-16T00:18:37 < Adluc> on a company or individual?
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2017-07-16T00:33:32 < zyp> haha
2017-07-16T00:33:41 < zyp> poor R2COM
2017-07-16T00:41:34 < kakimir> and kids
2017-07-16T00:41:41 < kakimir> like in the movies
2017-07-16T00:43:58 < kakimir> R2COM: you know it's not most alpha move to ask a stripper to be your gf
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2017-07-16T01:33:06 < englishman> hello pros
2017-07-16T01:33:12 < englishman> how is pro saturday
2017-07-16T01:33:24 < upgrdman> lazy. very lazy.
2017-07-16T01:34:06 < englishman> good to hear
2017-07-16T01:34:16 < upgrdman> how's yours?
2017-07-16T01:34:30 < englishman> excellent
2017-07-16T01:35:28 < englishman> beautiful day
2017-07-16T01:35:51 < englishman> had a riffle match at mil base today
2017-07-16T01:36:02 < englishman> seeing gorillaz and kid koala tonight
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2017-07-16T02:25:20 < crt> https://youtu.be/7Ld8ms3h6w8
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2017-07-16T02:42:19 < Laurenceb_> http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1500026208245.png
2017-07-16T02:42:44 < crt> No more fullchan?
2017-07-16T02:43:25 < Laurenceb_> nope
2017-07-16T02:44:01 < Laurenceb_> https://gfycat.com/bitterbiodegradablekookaburra
2017-07-16T02:45:26 < crt> 666
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2017-07-16T03:31:59 < crt> Lol
2017-07-16T03:33:37 < crt> mitrax: hey dad let me try!
2017-07-16T03:36:18 < kakimir> R2COM: true
2017-07-16T03:36:59 < kakimir> I just picture someone looking thru bottom of pint of beer at closing time and asking strippers
2017-07-16T03:37:47 < kakimir> or something like that
2017-07-16T03:38:08 < kakimir> not clearly alpha imagination
2017-07-16T03:41:46 < kakimir> Special border jagers
2017-07-16T03:43:39 < kakimir> I think they are the prime
2017-07-16T03:47:54 < kakimir> why?
2017-07-16T03:48:16 < kakimir> planning the invasion?
2017-07-16T03:48:53 < kakimir> what did russian media say today?
2017-07-16T03:49:45 < kakimir> panic?
2017-07-16T03:50:00 < kakimir> situation?
2017-07-16T03:50:56 < kakimir> situation?
2017-07-16T03:53:14 < kakimir> oh
2017-07-16T03:53:16 < kakimir> problems
2017-07-16T03:53:21 < kakimir> not good
2017-07-16T03:57:08 < kakimir> putin has been stabilizing force
2017-07-16T04:03:45 < kakimir> but ukraine has caused implications
2017-07-16T04:04:01 < kakimir> I wonder if they really thought it thru
2017-07-16T04:05:21 < kakimir> it was a stunt right?
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2017-07-16T04:09:59 < Laurenceb_> Putin is not as epin as Al Assad
2017-07-16T04:14:08 < Thorn> I'm going to play with https://accent-systems.com/product/ibks-105/ on Monday
2017-07-16T04:14:35 < Laurenceb_> Chemotherapy spreads cancer, generating repeat business for the for-profit cancer industry.
2017-07-16T04:14:47 < Laurenceb_> This research further confirms exactly what Natural News has reported for years
2017-07-16T04:15:09 < Laurenceb_> Natural News intensifies
2017-07-16T04:22:11  * Laurenceb_ tries again to get his PLL working
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2017-07-16T04:29:13 < aandrew> interesting
2017-07-16T04:29:17 < aandrew> 51822 is fucking everywhere
2017-07-16T04:33:54 < Thorn> for some reason nobody is using 52832 (yet?)
2017-07-16T04:51:56 < aandrew> still new
2017-07-16T04:53:12 < aandrew> the cheapest 51822 is CAD$2.62 in 1000qty; the cheapest 52832 is $3.80 in 3x quantities of the 51822
2017-07-16T04:53:34 < aandrew> if you want to kepe the same BGA package the 52832 is $3.85 in 7k qty
2017-07-16T04:53:41 < aandrew> so there's definitely price pressure
2017-07-16T04:53:57 < aandrew> and tbh the 51822 is fine for most BLE apps
2017-07-16T04:54:41 < aandrew> if you want RFID or real BT or a real MCU (M4) or the ability to use other modulations than GFSK then you pays more money
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2017-07-16T06:07:17 < crt> The rapelife
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2017-07-16T06:28:27 < crt> Was cooking lunch
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2017-07-16T06:54:42 < upgrdman> R2COM, pic of shit soldermask?
2017-07-16T06:55:07 < upgrdman> and what specs did you choose and what price
2017-07-16T06:59:29 < upgrdman> ew
2017-07-16T06:59:33 < upgrdman> ya thtas fucked
2017-07-16T06:59:39 < upgrdman> what footprint is that by "GND" ?
2017-07-16T06:59:44 < upgrdman> some ESD?
2017-07-16T06:59:57 < upgrdman> err TVS?
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2017-07-16T07:00:31 < upgrdman> o ok
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2017-07-16T07:16:05 < upgrdman> beer is for peasants
2017-07-16T07:21:05 < upgrdman> iirc even stm has that
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2017-07-16T07:23:58 < upgrdman> is calc'ing derivative that difficult
2017-07-16T07:24:59 < upgrdman> k
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2017-07-16T07:49:50 < upgrdman> damn, just finished 14... 14 loads of laundry.
2017-07-16T07:49:56 < upgrdman> i think that's my record.
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2017-07-16T09:24:18 < zyp> the fuck
2017-07-16T09:24:43 < zyp> I dont think I have enough stuff to get anywhere close to 14 loads of laundry
2017-07-16T09:26:46 < zyp> a couple loads of clothes, maybe four loads of bedsheets and towels, say one load of floormats and shit, and then I've washed everything I own
2017-07-16T09:28:22 < zyp> or stuff in wild colors that bleed over to anything else
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2017-07-16T09:53:28 < crt> Not a whole lot
2017-07-16T09:54:40 < crt> Trying to find steffan
2017-07-16T10:00:38 < crt> He has the equipment
2017-07-16T10:10:24 < upgrdman> was afk. lol ya 14 loads.
2017-07-16T10:11:09 < upgrdman> like 6 loads of clothes, the rest were *everything* else... sheets, pillows, bathroom mats, etc.
2017-07-16T10:11:20 < upgrdman> normally i do like 4 loads of laundry.
2017-07-16T10:11:29 < upgrdman> but i was like, fuck it, wash all the things.
2017-07-16T10:12:07 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-07-16T10:22:18 < upgrdman> looks safe  https://i.redd.it/jr3wqth3ir9z.jpg
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2017-07-16T10:24:12 < zyp> I'd be more concerned about the tension put on the lines
2017-07-16T10:24:56 < zyp> looks like most of the lines are insulated anyway
2017-07-16T10:25:16 < zyp> not really
2017-07-16T10:26:09 < Steffanx> 👬👨‍❤️‍👨👨‍👨‍👧 not just iphone R2COM
2017-07-16T10:28:05 < crt> 🦆
2017-07-16T10:28:36 < crt> Lol
2017-07-16T10:28:45 < crt> 📞🦆
2017-07-16T10:30:04 < crt> You hate ducks and faggots?
2017-07-16T10:30:32 < crt> How about tey Lang
2017-07-16T10:31:17 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9q0G64DM/ROFL.mp4
2017-07-16T10:52:38 < crt> So did you plot her Asian ass anyway?
2017-07-16T11:00:01 < crt> Plow
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2017-07-16T11:40:22 < crt> Welcome Peter_M
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2017-07-16T12:14:04 < Steffanx> Its his ghost.
2017-07-16T12:14:13 < Steffanx> Can you talk with ghosts crt ?
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2017-07-16T12:24:11 < ohsix> buns
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2017-07-16T12:53:49 < crt> Yes stffn
2017-07-16T12:55:34 < crt> A true pumper
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2017-07-16T13:08:22 < Steffanx> Crt: https://youtu.be/0HtyF0jux2Q
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2017-07-16T15:49:29 < Peter_M> [19:12] <Steffanx> Its his ghost.
2017-07-16T15:49:39 < Peter_M> OOOooooOOoooo0o0o0o0o0 sp00ky
2017-07-16T15:49:54 < Steffanx> oh and now it even speaks :P
2017-07-16T15:50:48 < Peter_M> whats crackalackin?
2017-07-16T15:51:56 < Steffanx> Nothing, one of those boring sundays.
2017-07-16T15:54:49 < Peter_M> fair enough, was really nice weather today so went for a ride
2017-07-16T15:56:38 < Steffanx> a motor bike ride that is i guess?
2017-07-16T15:57:04 < Peter_M> yeah, lectric moto tho
2017-07-16T15:57:18 < Peter_M> braaaaap breaks the peace too much
2017-07-16T15:58:29 < sync> brap is good
2017-07-16T15:59:14 < Steffanx> thats what i thought
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2017-07-16T15:59:40 < Peter_M> the feel of braaaap is good, the sound of braaaap is pretty obnoxious tho
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2017-07-16T16:00:06 < sync> idk, I like the sound my bikes make
2017-07-16T16:00:16 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/364d3f0f49/31056.JPG
2017-07-16T16:03:39 < sync> especially the crackling in the overrun ever since I laid my hands on the ecus
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2017-07-16T16:40:49 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWd6XgBVIcg
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2017-07-16T17:48:59 < kakimir> I need a suit
2017-07-16T17:49:05 < kakimir> where do you buy yours?
2017-07-16T17:49:34 < kakimir> or get one tailored?
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2017-07-16T17:51:19 < jadew> in here having one done costs about twice as much as buying one ready made + tailored
2017-07-16T17:51:30 < jadew> but a custom made one fits you much better
2017-07-16T17:52:24 < jadew> for $500 you can get a really nice suit and maybe even a custom shirt to go with it
2017-07-16T17:52:30 < kakimir> I wonder if buying one abroad via internets would be mad
2017-07-16T17:52:44 < kakimir> taking measurements myself and such
2017-07-16T17:52:45 < jadew> it would
2017-07-16T17:53:09 < kakimir> I get one tailored here for 300eur
2017-07-16T17:54:52 < kakimir> so total package would be 500
2017-07-16T17:55:05 < kakimir> or 400
2017-07-16T17:55:08 < kakimir> something like that
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2017-07-16T17:56:21 < jadew> when you have a custom one done for you, you can also specify things like: "I plan to get fat/slim"
2017-07-16T17:56:27 < jadew> so the tailor can take that into account
2017-07-16T17:57:32 < Rob235> whats the best tsp (traveling salesman problem) algorithm for a drawing bot
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2017-07-16T17:58:05 < jadew> Rob235, homework?
2017-07-16T17:58:47 < Rob235> somewhat, its what I chose for my senior capstone project, how to choose the best order of lines to draw an image using two robot arms and having them not bump into eachother
2017-07-16T17:59:45 < jadew> start at the first and middle lines and draw down?
2017-07-16T18:00:12 < Rob235> thats not very smart... I want to use techniques from my AI course
2017-07-16T18:00:37 < jadew> pretty sure it's the optimum solution
2017-07-16T18:00:41 < jadew> can't get smarter than that
2017-07-16T18:00:56 < Rob235> not really, you saw draw down but what about a box that outlines the whole page
2017-07-16T18:01:05 < Rob235> you want the shortest distance to the next line
2017-07-16T18:01:13 < Rob235> from the end of the previous line
2017-07-16T18:02:20 < Steffanx> kakimir, it totally depends why you need the suit and how often you expect to use it
2017-07-16T18:02:30 < Steffanx> and how fat you expect to become
2017-07-16T18:02:57 < sync> I have my motorcycle leathers tailor made
2017-07-16T18:03:00 < sync> worth it
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2017-07-16T18:35:13 < Laurenceb_> yay pll is working
2017-07-16T18:35:35 < Laurenceb_> its way more aggressive with (I think) correct coefficients
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2017-07-16T18:45:42 < invzim> kakimir: just go to a Hugo Boss store and get a nice suit
2017-07-16T18:46:30 < invzim> they will have a tailor they use that will customize it for you
2017-07-16T18:47:31 < invzim> don't buy online, and don't use foreign copy-tailors - they don't have access to the nice fabrics used
2017-07-16T18:50:59 < zyp> how often do you use a suit before it makes sense to have one tailored?
2017-07-16T18:54:23 < zyp> I bought a ready made one some years ago, and so far I've only used it four times
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2017-07-16T19:10:59 < englishman> aandrew: the thing is, nrf52 practically doesn't do anything that nrf51 doesn't already do. And it costs more
2017-07-16T19:12:27 < englishman> I forget if it has floating point, but besides that, it has what, DMA? Which is crippled and largely useless
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2017-07-16T19:39:22 < Steffanx> Isnt it slightly lower power?
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2017-07-16T21:34:55 < aandrew> englishman: that isn't true... m4f vs m0 is a big change. WAY more and better peripherals, different modulation methods for things like zigbee, real BT instead of BLE...
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2017-07-16T21:43:29 < zyp> IIRC nrf52 have some decent timer improvements
2017-07-16T21:43:34 < zyp> and dedicated pwm timers
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2017-07-16T21:44:20 < zyp> but real bt? isn't it still just BLE?
2017-07-16T21:59:20 < englishman> peripherals didn't seem all that different to me, at least in comparison to stm32 high quality periphs
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2017-07-16T22:05:19 < Thorn> it has at least i2s (which 51 lacks). 52840 is expected to have usb device
2017-07-16T22:05:31 < zyp> englishman, that is true
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2017-07-16T22:09:31 < aandrew> englishman: hm, perhaps I'm mistaken on real bluetooth
2017-07-16T22:09:43 < aandrew> it says bluetooth 5, but maybe that's just BLE v5 or someshit
2017-07-16T22:10:46 < aandrew> S140 doesn't say real BT either, just "high throughput mode"
2017-07-16T22:11:10 < englishman> isn't bt5 only on super new, unreleased chips?
2017-07-16T22:11:21 < aandrew> such as nrf52 :-)
2017-07-16T22:11:29 < englishman> nrf52 isn't at all new tho
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2017-07-16T22:31:16 < Rob235> what should I make my drawing bot from, a lpc1768 or a teensy 3.2
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2017-07-16T22:34:03 < Rob235> teensy has more ram, lpc has higher clock speed
2017-07-16T22:36:41 < Rob235> ram is probably gonna make more of a difference
2017-07-16T22:44:26 < Steffanx> stm32f4/7 discovery.
2017-07-16T22:46:12 < Steffanx> the one with bluetooth 5 is pretty new englishman..
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2017-07-16T22:48:10 < Rob235> you gonna send me one?
2017-07-16T22:48:18 < invzim> rpi3?
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2017-07-16T22:48:43 < Rob235> I already have the two I mentioned, thats why I said those
2017-07-16T22:49:30 < Steffanx> but this is ##stm32 :P
2017-07-16T22:50:00 < Rob235> although if I'm doing traveling salesmen calculations I may want to upgrade
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2017-07-16T22:50:32 < invzim> if your application is mostly software, I would go for the thing that makes that easiest
2017-07-16T22:50:56 < Steffanx> rpi? P
2017-07-16T22:51:04 < Rob235> ive never used a pi
2017-07-16T22:51:17 < Steffanx> !wz pi
2017-07-16T22:51:18 < dieforirc> [Pimpri, India] Rain. Temp is 28°C. West wind: 4 kph. Humidity: 82%.
2017-07-16T22:52:14 < Rob235> !wz long branch
2017-07-16T22:52:15 < dieforirc> [Long Branch, New Jersey] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 26.8°C. ESE wind: 6.4 kph. Humidity: 65%.
2017-07-16T22:52:45 < Rob235> so hot up here in the attic with no AC
2017-07-16T22:54:00 < Rob235> ugh, I should have paid the extra couple dollars to get these stepper drivers with header pins presoldered
2017-07-16T22:54:20 < Rob235> I gotta find my soldering station now
2017-07-16T22:54:35 < kakimir> https://hobbyking.com/en_us/wayne-giles-designed-universal-esr-meter-for-100-10000mah-1-6-cell-lipo.html?___store=en_us anyone know what is in this box?
2017-07-16T22:54:36 < Steffanx> no rooms one can open for a small breeze Rob235?
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2017-07-16T22:56:02 < Rob235> there are windows on opposite walls up here but its just a hot day
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2017-07-16T23:21:01 < Thorn> why are git diffs such garbage http://i.imgur.com/AqUWF7j.png
2017-07-16T23:21:34 < Thorn> I wrapped a few lines of code in an if() { ... } (and indented them of course) and look at the diff
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2017-07-16T23:24:03 < zyp> what do you mean git diff, looks like whatever gui you're using is dumb
2017-07-16T23:25:37 < Thorn> same, command line http://i.imgur.com/YJ20Gui.png
2017-07-16T23:25:38 < zyp> then again, what do you expect when you're diffing two pieces of code which has no lines in common apart from whitespace?
2017-07-16T23:25:48 < Thorn> ----- ++++++
2017-07-16T23:26:30 < Thorn> not small blocks twisted together
2017-07-16T23:27:07 < zyp> but the whitespace lines and closing braces didn't change!
2017-07-16T23:27:17 < zyp> and the return false
2017-07-16T23:28:58 < Thorn> that is not much of an excuse lol
2017-07-16T23:29:05 < Thorn> I should troll #git with this
2017-07-16T23:30:08 < englishman> yeah not sure what you expected... When indentation changes the whole line has to change...
2017-07-16T23:30:48 < Thorn> explain the lone unchanged return false; in the middle of it (line 132)
2017-07-16T23:31:46 < Thorn> 132 and 133 to be more precise
2017-07-16T23:32:33 < Thorn> looks like it found something that was already indented 2 levels
2017-07-16T23:32:49 < zyp> exactly
2017-07-16T23:33:10 < englishman> its still in line with the other unchanged empty lines
2017-07-16T23:33:13 < Thorn> probably from a for loop
2017-07-16T23:33:48 < zyp> diff only looks at whether lines changed or not, not what changed on the line itself
2017-07-16T23:34:27 < zyp> the return false is triple indented
2017-07-16T23:35:00 < zyp> in the old file it was related to the write_file call, in the new file it is related to the write directory call
2017-07-16T23:38:04 < Thorn> good luck reviewing that commit
2017-07-16T23:43:30 < zyp> try -b flag to git-diff
2017-07-16T23:45:56 < Thorn> fukken magic http://i.imgur.com/9x0jjoV.png
2017-07-16T23:47:37 < Thorn> if only bitbucket/github could use that when they render diffs
2017-07-16T23:47:58 < Thorn> thanks
2017-07-16T23:56:45 < zyp> well, you only want it for messy cases like that
2017-07-16T23:57:24 < zyp> otherwise introduced whitespace fuckups might go unnoticed when reviewing commits
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2017-07-17T00:17:31 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/3ctvbpz260az.jpg
2017-07-17T00:22:33 < vampi-the-frog> this is one of those channels, isn't it?
2017-07-17T00:23:19 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome, vampi-the-frog
2017-07-17T00:23:34 < vampi-the-frog> I'm trying to get a STM32F030F4 to work
2017-07-17T00:23:40 < vampi-the-frog> with libopencm3
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2017-07-17T00:37:15 < englishman> hi steffy
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2017-07-17T01:31:50 < Rob235> hmm what is VBB as opposed to VDD?
2017-07-17T01:33:11 < Rob235> base supply hmm
2017-07-17T01:33:19 < kakimir> http://www.electro-tech-online.com/threads/vcc-and-vbb.11361/
2017-07-17T01:43:59 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKM2NzbEdyRGtaTEk/view?usp=sharing
2017-07-17T01:46:42 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbFF2TVdjSzFUSDQ/view?usp=sharing
2017-07-17T01:48:26 < Thorn> RIP Finland
2017-07-17T01:48:33 < kakimir> plastic welded pipe and ring I lathed
2017-07-17T01:51:33 < Thorn> I'm more interested in where you're getting your plutonium from
2017-07-17T01:53:22 < sync> russia, it is close by
2017-07-17T01:53:37 < kakimir> I'm not in that phase yet
2017-07-17T02:01:12 < kakimir> hmm
2017-07-17T02:01:17 < kakimir> chinese come to baltic
2017-07-17T02:01:37 < kakimir> to meet with russian marine forces
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2017-07-17T02:39:03 < kakimir> anyone know how wide input voltage range laptops usually can handle?
2017-07-17T02:41:10 < kakimir> when it says 19V - what range it can actually use to stay up and what range to charge?
2017-07-17T02:41:21 < kakimir> and what overvoltage will fry it?
2017-07-17T02:44:01 < kakimir> is there some V-C curve which results in power drawn at the time?
2017-07-17T02:44:39 < kakimir> when V goes down - C goes down until it cuts it off?
2017-07-17T03:00:12 < kakimir> ts100 custom firmware rules
2017-07-17T03:00:35 < kakimir> https://github.com/Ralim/ts100
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2017-07-17T03:46:07 < Laurenceb_> https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10868443&cid=54819105
2017-07-17T03:46:10 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWd6XgBVIcg
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2017-07-17T04:43:05 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, any idea roughly how much a london taxi ride would cost if going 20 miles?
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2017-07-17T04:46:42 < upgrdman> lolwut. 6 miles takes roughly 28-40 minutes?! wtf. https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/taxis-and-minicabs/taxi-fares
2017-07-17T04:47:22 < crt> Uk
2017-07-17T04:47:32 < crt> Cunts fucked
2017-07-17T04:47:42 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTXPU2P-ElE
2017-07-17T04:47:57 < ohsix> upgrdman: in la a mile can take 40 minutes
2017-07-17T04:48:12 < upgrdman> ohsix, not really
2017-07-17T04:48:20 < upgrdman> i mean worst case ya, but normally... no
2017-07-17T04:49:06 < ohsix> east to west
2017-07-17T04:49:45 < crt> Ohsix https://youtu.be/7JA7pSamckU
2017-07-17T04:50:53 < ohsix> 👍
2017-07-17T05:02:22 < crt> I have autism
2017-07-17T05:02:42 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oct0BMCHth4
2017-07-17T05:02:46 < aandrew> you've got something, that's for sure
2017-07-17T05:04:32 < crt> Like my vid
2017-07-17T05:04:49 < crt> How do I find out what's wrong with me aandrew
2017-07-17T05:05:15 < upgrdman> colonoscopy
2017-07-17T05:05:25 < crt> Getting that done next week
2017-07-17T05:05:35 < upgrdman> *thumbs up*
2017-07-17T05:06:04 < crt> Really though?
2017-07-17T05:06:29 < crt> Does it cure irc induced autism?
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2017-07-17T05:33:50 < jadew> Salvation might turn out to be a nice show
2017-07-17T05:34:07 < jadew> only the pilot is out tho
2017-07-17T05:39:26 < crt> ROMz
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2017-07-17T06:54:08 < upgrdman> is it possible to have electrical isolation on a line that is bidirectional?
2017-07-17T06:54:23 < upgrdman> e.g. you cant with an optoisolator
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2017-07-17T08:11:13 < upgrdman> looks legit  http://i.imgur.com/5wyZsA5.jpg
2017-07-17T08:23:24 < englishman> lol crt
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2017-07-17T09:02:16 < Steffanx> Hi englishmanny
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2017-07-17T09:13:49 < englishman> hola señor wafel
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2017-07-17T09:21:53 < zyp> uh, doesn't altium support naming bus nets?
2017-07-17T09:22:38 < zyp> I got a schematic to review here, it has a RMII bus passing between sheets, and it's grouped into a bus named RMII_BUS
2017-07-17T09:22:55 < zyp> individual signals are named RMII_BUS1 - RMII_BUS10
2017-07-17T09:23:10 < zyp> and then they've put a note next to it that translates it to signal names
2017-07-17T09:24:50 < zyp> I haven't used buses much in altium, but I thought it was possible to do sane names on the individual signals
2017-07-17T09:26:27 < zyp> ah, no, difference between bus and harness
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2017-07-17T09:54:11 < crt> Sorry to hear
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2017-07-17T10:17:30 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/xpwplhr8f3az.jpg
2017-07-17T10:17:43 < daey> could someone explain line 11-25 to me? http://lpaste.net/356974
2017-07-17T10:18:36 < daey> i understand that the first word makes the cpu jump into the reset function. but what do the hangs? and why that exact amount of hangs?
2017-07-17T10:19:17 < zyp> it's a vector table
2017-07-17T10:19:20 < c10ud^> number of vectors maybe?
2017-07-17T10:19:46 < c10ud^> and they're unhandled (or, they hang)
2017-07-17T10:19:57 < daey> the other vectors are interrupts etc.?
2017-07-17T10:19:59 < zyp> the two first vectors are stacktop and reset, and the remaining 14 are pointed to the hang-function
2017-07-17T10:20:15 < zyp> (of the first 16 vectors, i.e. the core ones)
2017-07-17T10:20:55 < daey> i see. so i need such a file in all cases. and the minimum it has to contain are line1-25?
2017-07-17T10:21:11 < zyp> no
2017-07-17T10:21:35 < zyp> you need a vector table in any case, but you might write it in C or whatever
2017-07-17T10:22:10 < zyp> the minimum it needs to contain are the first four (stack, reset, NMI and hardfault), all the other vectors are disabled until you explicitly enable them
2017-07-17T10:23:36 < zyp> in a real world application, the vector table usually contains vectors for all interrupts on a chip, and particular chips normally have more than the 16 core vectors
2017-07-17T10:23:48 < zyp> vendor interrupts starts after the 16 core ones
2017-07-17T10:24:24 < daey> the 16core ones are the ARM interrupts and everything above ist 'stm' specific? so too speak?
2017-07-17T10:24:31 < zyp> correct
2017-07-17T10:25:00 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/interrupt/interrupt.cpp#n94 <- for comparison, here's a vector table for stm32f4, written in C++
2017-07-17T10:25:08 < daey> i just try to align my arm knowledge with what i know from avrs. ive never written vector tables for avrs. just the program and done
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2017-07-17T10:25:36 < zyp> avrs also have vector tables
2017-07-17T10:26:13 < daey> i know that they do. i just wonder why ive never had to touch one
2017-07-17T10:26:32 < zyp> because you've only programmed them in C, and avrlibc contains one for you
2017-07-17T10:26:42 < zyp> or whatever the lib is named
2017-07-17T10:26:56 < daey> ah. and that doesnt work with arm because of the vendor specifics?
2017-07-17T10:27:23 < zyp> what doesn't work?
2017-07-17T10:27:38 < zyp> there's plenty of libs that'll take care of it for you
2017-07-17T10:28:27 < zyp> but unlike avr, there's not "the one" solution that everybody uses, there's a ton of options to choose from
2017-07-17T10:29:07 < daey> my compiler only knows that im compiling for cortex m4  but not that im compiling for stm32f411 .....
2017-07-17T10:29:25 < zyp> yes, that is correct
2017-07-17T10:29:38 < zyp> the hardware support libraries are independent from the compilers
2017-07-17T10:30:36 < daey> then i understand why this example uses a specific vector table. thanks
2017-07-17T10:33:03 < Steffanx> Argh. I have single ssd in my nas, which is for my downloads and vms. The ssd is supposed to be replicated to spinning rust. The SSD seem to have died this night. And it has not been backupped. -_-
2017-07-17T10:33:28 < Steffanx> It seems that the backups stopped after some update
2017-07-17T10:33:44 < zyp> this is why you are supposed to test your backups regularly, so you know they'd work when you need them
2017-07-17T10:34:02 < Steffanx> Yes, but i tend to learn things the hard way :P
2017-07-17T10:34:12 < zyp> most people do :p
2017-07-17T10:34:38 < zyp> my backup habits aren't exemplary either, so this is certainly a case of do as I say, not as I do :p
2017-07-17T10:36:10 < Steffanx> Rebuilding the vms isnt too bad. Its mainly the plex meta data that takes ages to retrieve.
2017-07-17T10:36:32 < zyp> ages as in hours or days?
2017-07-17T10:36:45 < Steffanx> Hours. I think.
2017-07-17T10:36:55 < zyp> automated?
2017-07-17T10:37:23 < Steffanx> Yes, but my opensubtitles subscription just ended, so dowbload rate is limited
2017-07-17T10:37:37 < zyp> ah, heh
2017-07-17T10:37:41 < Steffanx> Its not too bad, just annoying
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2017-07-17T10:52:39 < crt> Download
2017-07-17T10:54:21 < ohsix> beans
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2017-07-17T11:10:22 < crt> stffn
2017-07-17T11:25:09 < Steffanx> Kees
2017-07-17T11:25:26 < daey> what do you need subtitles for? :^)
2017-07-17T11:26:09 < daey> non english movies/series?
2017-07-17T11:31:49 < Steffanx> I dont, but other people that use plex prefer dutch
2017-07-17T11:32:24 < zyp> I prefer english subtitles on english movies
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2017-07-17T11:33:06 < zyp> I read way better than I listen
2017-07-17T11:35:35 < Steffanx> I hardly use subs, except when they have a terrible accent or when the movie is noisy.
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2017-07-17T11:46:28 < daey> i just slipped into "not needing subtitles". Maybe i made that transition accidently through animes idk :/
2017-07-17T11:48:05 < zyp> for me it's not a matter of needing, I just find it more comfortable
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2017-07-17T12:17:14 < dongs> hello dongs
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2017-07-17T12:18:59 < Steffanx> I dont do that daey. Jappy anime -_-
2017-07-17T12:19:13 < dongs> wat
2017-07-17T12:19:17 < Steffanx> Sup.
2017-07-17T12:19:23 < dongs> who you chatti g to
2017-07-17T12:19:32 < Steffanx> daey.
2017-07-17T12:19:41 < dongs> oh
2017-07-17T12:19:48 < Steffanx> U see no daey ?
2017-07-17T12:19:50 < dongs> i fail to read up
2017-07-17T12:19:59 < dongs> no im just a moron
2017-07-17T12:20:00 < Steffanx> Shit happens
2017-07-17T12:20:22 < dongs> ya, im with zyp herr
2017-07-17T12:20:38 < dongs> i watch all.my moviez with subs
2017-07-17T12:21:15 < Steffanx> Even native jappy ones?
2017-07-17T12:21:16 < dongs> and i dont watch any anniemay
2017-07-17T12:21:22 < dongs> err.
2017-07-17T12:21:42 < dongs> jappu shit is fine to hear
2017-07-17T12:23:11 < daey> one issue i have with sub titles is that they spoiler. not sure thats an issue with non anime media though
2017-07-17T12:26:09 < dongs> you mean action bmin text before on screen?
2017-07-17T12:27:00 < dongs> bmin = in
2017-07-17T12:27:21 < dongs> likeva second spoiler omg
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2017-07-17T13:27:53 < daey> there is a register group called GPIOx_AFRL/H "GPIO alternate function low/high register". It allows "alternate function selection for port".
2017-07-17T13:28:21 < jpa-> yes
2017-07-17T13:28:23 < daey> writing 0xf into it activates AF15 for Pin0
2017-07-17T13:28:30 < daey> what is AF0-15?
2017-07-17T13:28:39 < daey> its not explained (or at least i cant find it)
2017-07-17T13:28:42 < jpa-> in datasheet you will find alternate function table
2017-07-17T13:28:46 < jpa-> after the pinout table
2017-07-17T13:32:24 < daey> i see. thats probably in another document then. im in the "RM0090 Reference manual" which seems to be detached from the chip
2017-07-17T13:33:05 < jpa-> yeah, there is a reference manual which covers many chips, and separate datasheet per each chip
2017-07-17T13:35:55 < zyp> the RM covers most of the software stuff, the datasheet covers the specific pinouts and functions and other specs on the particular chips
2017-07-17T13:36:05 < zyp> software relevant stuff*
2017-07-17T13:36:48 < zyp> feels a bit annoying until you get used to what is where
2017-07-17T13:37:06 < daey> i would have thought the "ARM" part docu would come from well "ARM" and the manufacturer would only provide the hardware documentation/ interface mapping
2017-07-17T13:37:26 < daey> or do they simply rebrand the documentation?
2017-07-17T13:38:24 < zyp> the ARM part document is named PM-something, and it is indeed just rebranded ARM documentation
2017-07-17T13:38:48 < zyp> personally I tend to read the official ARM documentation instead of the PM
2017-07-17T13:39:20 < daey> theres documentation even lower than what the RM provides? (PM) o.0
2017-07-17T13:39:29 < zyp> yes
2017-07-17T13:39:54 < daey> seeing that the RM already explains the registers in detail i dont think i need anything lower than that
2017-07-17T13:40:16 < zyp> the PM documents the arm core and core peripherals, the RM documents the vendor peripherals and the datasheet documents the hardware itself (pinouts, function mapping, electrical specs)
2017-07-17T13:40:22 < jpa-> it has stuff like instruction set etc., quite rarely needed except SCB->CFSR :P
2017-07-17T13:40:39 < zyp> daey, only the registers for the vendor peripherals
2017-07-17T13:40:48 < zyp> the core peripheral registers are in the PM
2017-07-17T13:40:48 < daey> ah
2017-07-17T13:40:56 < zyp> like systick, SCB, NVIC, etc..
2017-07-17T13:41:32 < zyp> and yes, SCB_CFSR is probably the core periph register I look up the most often :p
2017-07-17T13:41:53 < daey> yea. i was impressed you instantly knew about it :D
2017-07-17T13:42:41 < zyp> I've been doing this for some years now, I like to think I know most of what is essential to know about stm32 :)
2017-07-17T13:44:12 < Thorn> my mass programming setup http://i.imgur.com/oqDAW24.jpg
2017-07-17T13:44:59 < Thorn> j-link for flashing mcu, discovery for power, usb-uart for programming serial flash
2017-07-17T13:45:25 < zyp> wat
2017-07-17T13:46:05 < daey> McGyver would be proud
2017-07-17T13:46:36 < Thorn> guess why I'm not using onboard st-link on the discovery
2017-07-17T13:46:53 < daey> it probably died in a prior McGyver attempt
2017-07-17T13:47:00 < Thorn> it's alive
2017-07-17T13:47:45 < daey> what does the finished board do?
2017-07-17T13:48:15 < Thorn> it meows
2017-07-17T13:48:54 < Thorn> the st-link drops off usb when the target disconnects
2017-07-17T13:49:03 < Thorn> the usb cable has to be physically reconnected
2017-07-17T13:49:31 < zyp> yeah, I think that's part of why I stopped using st-link
2017-07-17T13:49:31 < jpa-> uh? never did for me
2017-07-17T13:49:32 < Thorn> doing it 100 times is kinda no thanks
2017-07-17T13:49:39 < jpa-> or in what way disconnects?
2017-07-17T13:49:51 < zyp> didn't handle detaching and reattaching very well
2017-07-17T13:50:38 < Thorn> I'm not sure if it actually disconnects from the host but at least openocd stops working with it
2017-07-17T13:50:38 < zyp> jpa-, IIRC something firmware gets stuck on something and host isn't able to recover it without resetting it
2017-07-17T13:50:45 < zyp> sometimes*
2017-07-17T13:51:17 < zyp> my experience is of course from the time texane/stlink was the hot thing, and that weren't exactly quality code
2017-07-17T13:51:27 < zyp> so it might be more reliable nowadays
2017-07-17T13:53:38 < Thorn> it's a firmware issue afaict
2017-07-17T13:53:47 < Thorn> independent of host software
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2017-07-17T14:28:55 < jpa-> zyp: hmm yeah, i've seen that, never associated it with disconnections of the target but could very well be!
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2017-07-17T15:06:50 < jadew> hey kids, look what I got: http://188.26.169.79/stuff/20170717_144446.jpg
2017-07-17T15:07:36 < jadew> looks crusty and old, but seems to work
2017-07-17T15:07:42 < jadew> only 400 pounds shipped
2017-07-17T15:09:17 < jadew> the handles got broken during shipping
2017-07-17T15:10:03 < jadew> and best of all, it has a mechanical keyboard :P
2017-07-17T15:11:49 < invzim> ooh, got a scope to match it? :)
2017-07-17T15:12:14 < jadew> heh, I have a SA for it
2017-07-17T15:12:24 < jadew> wish I had a scope that did 20 GHz
2017-07-17T15:13:22 < jadew> this was a really lucky find, don't know why nobody else bought it
2017-07-17T15:13:42 < jadew> (it was listed as broken - power failure)
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2017-07-17T15:14:03 < jadew> but I checked the power lines and it looks fine, turned on with no problems
2017-07-17T15:14:50 < jadew> there's no manual or service manual tho
2017-07-17T15:14:58 < jadew> but the interface seems rather simple
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2017-07-17T15:15:37 < invzim> I'm not really into RF and analog stuff - what would you use it for?
2017-07-17T15:16:02 < invzim> apart from testing you SA? :)
2017-07-17T15:16:58 < jadew> I need to test some microwave filters for now
2017-07-17T15:17:18 < jadew> but I'll also use it as a test signal for other stuff
2017-07-17T15:18:22 < jadew> with some luck I may be able to synchronize the sweep to my SA
2017-07-17T15:18:34 < jadew> and then I'll have a 20 GHz scalar network analyzer
2017-07-17T15:18:59 < jadew> not as good as a VNA, but still very useful
2017-07-17T15:20:19 < jadew> the biggest problem right now is that I don't have where to put it
2017-07-17T15:21:11 < jadew> I do, but it's too far away and the loses would be too high, so I think I need a small, mobile rack
2017-07-17T15:26:13 < sync> I'm thinking about getting one of those 40GHz wiltron vnas that are cheap now
2017-07-17T15:26:53 < jadew> how cheap?
2017-07-17T15:27:31 < jadew> I haven't found a VNA in my price range yet
2017-07-17T15:27:53 < sync> 10k or something
2017-07-17T15:30:44 < jadew> yeah, a bit out of my price range
2017-07-17T15:30:54 < sync> still cheap for what they are
2017-07-17T15:31:33 < jadew> yeah
2017-07-17T15:34:52 < zyp> jadew, for what purpose? I bought a minivna last year
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2017-07-17T15:35:18 < zyp> worked well enough to tune the antenna on the nfc reader I made
2017-07-17T15:35:24 < jadew> zyp, I looked at the minivna, but it doesn't go high enough in frequency
2017-07-17T15:35:35 < zyp> the one I bought goes to 3GHz
2017-07-17T15:35:46 < jadew> yeah, that's the best one, no?
2017-07-17T15:35:49 < zyp> I'm not planning to do anything over 2.4 any time soon
2017-07-17T15:36:09 < zyp> and this is why I asked you about purpose
2017-07-17T15:36:41 < jadew> it's a neat little thing for sure, maybe they'll come up with a higher freq. one
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2017-07-17T16:04:30 < Thorn> how do I set option bytes (to enable CRP) using jlink?
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2017-07-17T16:09:13 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40630582
2017-07-17T16:09:16 < Laurenceb_> oh noes
2017-07-17T16:11:16 < zyp> "Experts who advised ministers said the targeted date seemed "unrealistic"."
2017-07-17T16:11:28 < zyp> anything but never sounds unrealistic to me
2017-07-17T16:11:53 < zyp> but eh, south korea gets by with a total ban so why not
2017-07-17T16:15:08 < englishman> im a native anglophone and use subtitles because media has shitty dynamic range
2017-07-17T16:15:35 < englishman> there's no volume setting that lets you hear all dialogue and doesnt blow up your ears when there is music / action
2017-07-17T16:15:44 < Laurenceb_> https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4031626/girls-flash-bottoms-twerk-over-sleeping-mens-faces/
2017-07-17T16:15:47 < Laurenceb_> serious news
2017-07-17T16:15:57 < zyp> englishman, that's an argument too
2017-07-17T16:16:37 < sync> that depends on the mix
2017-07-17T16:16:46 < sync> in the NA mix, yes
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2017-07-17T16:51:42 < Steffanx> Lol englishman .. subs -_-
2017-07-17T17:01:52 < Steffanx> First time ever i read and heard the word "anglophone"
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2017-07-17T17:34:00 < Laurenceb_> >anglo
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2017-07-17T17:39:34 < daey> does arm-none-eabi- have its own set of includable libaries? im including <stdio.h> (which doesnt cause an error) yet it claims sprintf isnt defined
2017-07-17T17:41:11 < daey> or do i have to specifically link it? -lstdio?
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2017-07-17T17:45:13 < Thorn> it ships with newlib
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2017-07-17T17:54:42 < PaulFertser> daey: no explicit link options needed, newlib has sprintf out of the box.
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2017-07-17T18:06:33 < daey> where is the newlib.h located? /usr/include/newlib/newlib.h ?
2017-07-17T18:07:33 < PaulFertser> daey: you're not supposed to use any newlib-specific header for that.
2017-07-17T18:08:28 < daey> so i include the stdio.h but it uses the newlib one?
2017-07-17T18:08:59 < PaulFertser> Sure
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2017-07-17T18:17:01 < daey> magic~. i now do #include <stdio.h>. i have the newlib-source package installed, as well as the libnewlib-arm-none-eabi. i still get the "sprintf" not defined
2017-07-17T18:17:46 < daey> how does the toolchain even know that it has to use the newlib package/headers and not the standard stdio.h ones?
2017-07-17T18:20:58 < PaulFertser> daey: run gcc with -v and you'll see the include path.
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2017-07-17T18:23:45 < daey> is this bad? --without-newlib
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2017-07-17T18:24:54 < daey> i noticed that i cant use anything. i cant even use malloc from stdlib
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2017-07-17T18:28:19 < PaulFertser> daey: where does your cross-compiler come from?
2017-07-17T18:28:36 < daey> its from the raspbian repo.
2017-07-17T18:28:52 < PaulFertser> You need a cross-compiler built with --with-newlib...
2017-07-17T18:29:33 < daey> its pretty annoying. raspbian is super outdated package wise, but arch-arm doesnt have the arm-none-eabi package and building it yourself is not trivial (at least not for me)
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2017-07-17T18:30:49 < PaulFertser> Why use raspbian? Debian upstream supports armhf nicely nowadays.
2017-07-17T18:31:19 < daey> oh. i didnt know the raspberry is natively supported
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2017-07-17T18:32:07 < PaulFertser> daey: probably if libnewlib-arm-none-eabi installed gcc should be able to find and use it.
2017-07-17T18:32:38 < daey> it is
2017-07-17T18:32:58 < PaulFertser> daey: see, people using it happily: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22430224/how-to-compile-for-the-tiva-c-launchpad-using-debian-toolchain
2017-07-17T18:33:55 < daey> i will test it on my main machine later, before i dig any deeper. I dont want you guys to waste time on a non existing issue
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2017-07-17T19:11:56 < daey> same issue on my main machine. gcc has the --with-newlib flag.
2017-07-17T19:12:17 < daey> could maybe someone run 'make all' on this? https://github.com/TerminalMan/armtest :3
2017-07-17T19:14:02 < daey> i noticed that i have '-nostdlib -nostartfiles' as compile flags. but removing them didnt change the outcome
2017-07-17T19:14:19 < qyx> your main is missing
2017-07-17T19:14:45 < qyx> I would start with a functional example
2017-07-17T19:15:32 < daey> qyx: it works if i remove the sprintf()
2017-07-17T19:16:05 < qyx> aha, bl notmain in the start.s
2017-07-17T19:16:07 < qyx> why..
2017-07-17T19:17:01 < daey> dunno. i used a rudimentary working program to get into it. i didnt bother changing it because i understood it and it doesnt cause any trouble
2017-07-17T19:17:32 < daey> i mean it kinda makes sense, as notmain isnt really the main program :p
2017-07-17T19:18:11 < qyx> this kind of rudimentary working program is not a good starting point imho
2017-07-17T19:18:17 < daey> at least thats how i tried explaining the logic behind it to myself :P
2017-07-17T19:18:31 < qyx> try some setup which is known to be working
2017-07-17T19:18:59 < daey> well i have a linking issue not some 'my uC behaves strangely' problem
2017-07-17T19:18:59 < qyx> like toolchain at https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded
2017-07-17T19:19:51 < qyx> and this for example https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/tree/master/examples/stm32/f4/nucleo-f411re/blink
2017-07-17T19:19:55 < qyx> which is at least readable
2017-07-17T19:20:36 < qyx> because reg_bit_clr( GPIOA_AFRL, (0xf<<12) ); hurts my brian
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2017-07-17T19:21:48 < qyx> also sprintf works out of box in this setup
2017-07-17T19:33:27 < Steffanx> hmpf, seems the ssd is entirely dead. Not just bad flash, the controller seems dead.
2017-07-17T19:33:48 < daey> maybe its ONLY the controller :)
2017-07-17T19:34:01 < Steffanx> yes, not unlikely.
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2017-07-17T20:04:31 < mitrax> Steffanx: may i ask what brand/model?
2017-07-17T20:05:14 < Steffanx> crucial, BX[crappy]200
2017-07-17T20:05:19 < Steffanx> it was cheap, not sure why i bought it
2017-07-17T20:05:29 < Steffanx> actually that was the only reason,, cheap
2017-07-17T20:05:34 < mitrax> ahaha
2017-07-17T20:06:20 < Steffanx> never again
2017-07-17T20:06:28 < daey> how long did it last?
2017-07-17T20:06:45 < Steffanx> i just opened it up and it says 2016/3/31 inside it.
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2017-07-17T20:07:08 < mitrax> i've had problems with a crucial SSD a few years ago, it stopped responding 5 min after starting but it was a firmware issue, fortunately it worked again after updating
2017-07-17T20:08:10 < mitrax> M4 series 256GB, old shit
2017-07-17T20:08:39 < Steffanx> make i can make it a warranty case.
2017-07-17T20:08:43 < Steffanx> *maybe i can
2017-07-17T20:10:29  * mitrax knocks on wood and hope his evo850 won't die
2017-07-17T20:11:24 < Steffanx> hehe, i just bought one of those, maybe ill get another one to mirror the other.
2017-07-17T20:12:49 < mitrax> yeah... i got rid of RAID1 after switching to SSD, assuming an SSD was less likely to die, but i know i'll regret that decision one day
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2017-07-17T20:13:44 < Steffanx> nah, my ssd was supposed to be replicated to spinning rust every x hours, but.. that stopped after an upgrade
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2017-07-17T20:15:40 < gxti> in theory you can't lose data when a ssd wears out because it'll just stop accepting writes... in practice the processor seems to die first and then it's all gone
2017-07-17T20:16:16 < Steffanx> Yeah, that seems to be the case here. No response anymore of that damned thing,
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2017-07-17T20:21:37 < tpw_rules> gxti: the theory seems to be the processor locks up and dies when it runs out of flash to use
2017-07-17T20:21:45 < tpw_rules> apparently the enterprise-grade models don't have that 'feature'
2017-07-17T20:22:34 < gxti> i had to toss the first ssd i got (one of the early mainstream intel ones) because it would periodically flake out. then i'd put it on a shelf and forget it for 6 months until i had some project i could use it for and i'd use it again because i forgot it was broken
2017-07-17T20:30:50 < invzim> kakimir: you wanted pics of probe?
2017-07-17T20:33:24 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8P7XCTh21esNGprV2g0MXA0a2s/view
2017-07-17T20:37:42 < zyp> 19:08:39 < Steffanx> make i can make it a warranty case.
2017-07-17T20:37:44 < zyp> maybe?
2017-07-17T20:38:18 < zyp> if it's just over a year old, wouldn't you get a free replacement for certain?
2017-07-17T20:38:23 < Steffanx> Yeah, curcial wants me to enter some numbers of the packaging i no longer have.
2017-07-17T20:38:50 < zyp> did you buy it at a physical store or online?
2017-07-17T20:38:50 < kakimir> It's seriously doing it
2017-07-17T20:38:56 < Steffanx> online.
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2017-07-17T20:39:36 < zyp> Steffanx, and you can't just complain to the store where you bought it?
2017-07-17T20:40:33 < Steffanx> i dont want a replacement of this f-king ssd anyway :P
2017-07-17T20:40:40 < Steffanx> but i'll look into it, didnt realyl do that yet.
2017-07-17T20:41:00 < zyp> that's what I do here
2017-07-17T20:41:18 < zyp> I just complain to the store, usually they want the defective part in return, then send me a replacement
2017-07-17T20:41:50 < zyp> and norwegian consumer protection laws ensures I can do this until five years after I bought it
2017-07-17T20:42:09 < Steffanx> here that's a year, but .. im not sure about the exact rules.
2017-07-17T20:42:19 < zyp> I just replaced two hard drives that I bought in 2013
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2017-07-17T20:42:42 < Steffanx> 5 years is a bit much imhp
2017-07-17T20:42:43 < Steffanx> o
2017-07-17T20:42:56 < zyp> well, it depends on the product
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2017-07-17T20:43:46 < zyp> it's either two or five years depending on how long it's supposed to last
2017-07-17T20:43:57 < zyp> hard drives aren't supposed to last for only two years
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2017-07-17T20:44:54 < Steffanx> but 5 years for a disks that spins up and down all day long?
2017-07-17T20:45:05 < Steffanx> (not in a server maybe, but for a "normal" user)
2017-07-17T20:45:14 < zyp> mine doesn't
2017-07-17T20:45:28 < qyx> not functional?
2017-07-17T20:46:03 < englishman> hard drives damn well better last 5 years
2017-07-17T20:46:11 < zyp> Steffanx, my oldest surviving disk have only spun up 86 times
2017-07-17T20:46:35 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/MZulr
2017-07-17T20:47:25 < zyp> I bought nine of those together in 2013, after the two recent deaths, this one is the only one still surviving
2017-07-17T20:48:43 < qyx> I have this https://paste.jvnv.net/view/opfBB
2017-07-17T20:48:53 < qyx> I don't know how many years is it
2017-07-17T20:49:14 < qyx> 8 mybe if I am doing math properly
2017-07-17T20:49:23 < zyp> it's been on for over 8 years
2017-07-17T20:49:28 < zyp> so it's certainly older :p
2017-07-17T20:49:45 < qyx> but only 72 start/stop too
2017-07-17T20:49:56 < qyx> one of them died last year :(
2017-07-17T20:49:59 < Steffanx> awh
2017-07-17T20:50:48 < zyp> hmm, that'll be 2009
2017-07-17T20:51:13 < Steffanx> oh i just checked, it has 36 months of warranty
2017-07-17T20:51:18 < zyp> I don't have any hard drives that are that old anymore
2017-07-17T20:51:45 < qyx> this is some seagate barracuda
2017-07-17T20:51:59 < qyx> 1TB
2017-07-17T20:52:25 < zyp> I sold off all my 1.5TB drives after I set up the new 3TB raid
2017-07-17T20:52:35 < zyp> for cheap, to a friend
2017-07-17T20:55:23 < zyp> might have some even older drives in some boxes somewhere, but they're unlikely to have >8 years of power on time
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2017-07-17T20:57:42 < Steffanx> i got some IDE disks somewhere.
2017-07-17T20:57:50 < Steffanx> but no way to access them.
2017-07-17T20:58:05 < zyp> hmm
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2017-07-17T20:58:15 < Steffanx> not that i really want to bother.
2017-07-17T20:58:58 < zyp> I had a computer running as a router and stuff at my parents place for years after I moved away from there
2017-07-17T20:59:21 < zyp> looks like it got replaced in 2013
2017-07-17T21:00:35 < zyp> hard drive in that must have had more than 8 years
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2017-07-17T21:10:43 < upgrdman> dongs, iirc you use mpc. it's dieing: https://mpc-hc.org/2017/07/16/1.7.13-released-and-farewell/
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2017-07-17T21:15:29 < zyp> what do people use to play videos nowadays?
2017-07-17T21:15:40 < jadew> VLC
2017-07-17T21:15:52 < zyp> yeah, that's the impression I have too
2017-07-17T21:16:17 < jadew> it's not so great under linux tho
2017-07-17T21:16:34 < BrainDamage> real lunix nerds use mpv
2017-07-17T21:16:40 < jadew> I noticed the player linux mint came with was much better than vlc in most situations
2017-07-17T21:17:34 < upgrdman> i use SMplayer. but im tempted to try MPV.
2017-07-17T21:17:47 < upgrdman> smplayer works fine but it's kinda ugly.
2017-07-17T21:17:48 < BrainDamage> S&Mplayer?
2017-07-17T21:17:50 < jpa-> i still just use mplayer on command line
2017-07-17T21:17:56 < Steffanx> what's wrong with mpv? I use it on, lunix, windows and os x.
2017-07-17T21:18:05 < BrainDamage> mpv is mplayer done better
2017-07-17T21:18:12 < upgrdman> i've never tried mpv
2017-07-17T21:18:15 < zyp> isn't mpv a fork of mplayer?
2017-07-17T21:18:16 < upgrdman> does it do display scaling
2017-07-17T21:18:19 < BrainDamage> yes
2017-07-17T21:18:20 < upgrdman> e.g. fonts readable on 4k
2017-07-17T21:18:23 < upgrdman> k
2017-07-17T21:18:28 < Steffanx> no clue, dont have such screen
2017-07-17T21:18:42 < zyp> I used mpv some time for some h265 files
2017-07-17T21:18:48 < BrainDamage> in terms of ui mpv is pretty minimal
2017-07-17T21:18:52 < zyp> haven't gotten used to the ui yet though
2017-07-17T21:19:25 < zyp> used to use some os x ui wrapper around mplayer, but it's been unmaintained for years now
2017-07-17T21:19:30 < Steffanx> was a huge fan of mplayerx on os x, but then they went commercial and added some spyware crap
2017-07-17T21:19:57 < zyp> https://mplayerosx.ch/ <- this thing
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2017-07-17T21:20:12 < zyp> last release, 2013
2017-07-17T21:20:27 < zyp> but there were some newer third party builds of the player part
2017-07-17T21:21:00 < BrainDamage> there's actually some libmpv wrappers that are somewhat tasteful
2017-07-17T21:21:19 < BrainDamage> but they drop the flexibility of the config file and scripting
2017-07-17T21:23:08 < zyp> I don't want a config file and scripting, I want a player that works with a nice ui
2017-07-17T21:24:12 < jadew> are music industry rack units different than regular rack units?
2017-07-17T21:24:21 < jadew> http://www.mcmusic.ro/sisteme-pa/stative-si-rack-uri/rack-uri/samson-srk16-rack?cookies_accepted=Y
2017-07-17T21:24:24 < zyp> no
2017-07-17T21:24:27 < jadew> that thing says it's 8U
2017-07-17T21:24:31 < jadew> but it looks much taller
2017-07-17T21:24:39 < zyp> probably illustration picture
2017-07-17T21:24:52 < jadew> oh, possibly
2017-07-17T21:24:56 < zyp> and yes, the one on the picture is way taller
2017-07-17T21:24:57 < BrainDamage> mpc-qt / smplayer might work for you zyp
2017-07-17T21:25:50 < jadew> I'm looking for a table/rack with wheels
2017-07-17T21:26:31 < sync> get an old tek cart
2017-07-17T21:26:33 < sync> they are the best
2017-07-17T21:26:34 < BrainDamage> why don't you just drill in some screw wheels
2017-07-17T21:26:48 < jadew> sync, I'll look into it
2017-07-17T21:26:57 < jadew> BrainDamage, I considered it, but it seems like a lot of trouble
2017-07-17T21:27:02 < jadew> and I might end up with a shitty table
2017-07-17T21:27:10 < BrainDamage> for the rack, not the table
2017-07-17T21:27:34 < jadew> ah, you mean get a regular rack?
2017-07-17T21:27:56 < BrainDamage> yes, as long as it has a wooden shell, you can just drill in the wheels yourself easily
2017-07-17T21:28:12 < jadew> you're right, haven't considered that
2017-07-17T21:28:37 < sync> http://www.tek.com/sites/tek.com/files/media/image/A000_0621-L.jpg
2017-07-17T21:28:51 < jadew> sync, that looks great
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2017-07-17T21:45:23 < dongs> sup doges
2017-07-17T21:45:32 < dongs> upgrdman: heard, but it works
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2017-07-17T21:53:07 < dongs> https://gbatemp.net/attachments/screenfetch-2017-06-27_11-48-40-png.91612/
2017-07-17T21:58:02 < Thorn> so this is Segger's solution for setting option bytes https://wiki.segger.com/STM32?title=STM32#Enabling_readout_protection
2017-07-17T21:59:31 < Thorn> serious closed source expensive commercial tool
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2017-07-17T22:22:09 < dongs> what
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2017-07-17T22:46:13 < kakimir> https://images.apina.biz/full/160447.jpg two finns
2017-07-17T22:47:01 < kakimir> have you ever seen facial expression on kimi? he looks clearly pissed
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2017-07-17T22:47:13 < kakimir> front tyre blew in last lap
2017-07-17T22:47:23 < kakimir> wait.. 2nd last or so
2017-07-17T22:48:45 < kakimir> https://i.redd.it/yxz6503450az.jpg two finns and one brit..
2017-07-17T22:49:18 < englishman> 🇫🇮
2017-07-17T22:51:24 < kakimir> saw it live
2017-07-17T22:51:57 < Steffanx> Best dutchy made Vettel angry again
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2017-07-17T22:53:17 < kakimir> alcohol ban in 1919 created finnish way of drinking
2017-07-17T22:53:49 < kakimir> only sprit was available and when you got some you took some
2017-07-17T22:55:21 < Steffanx> i read russia wants to ban alcohol in weekends.
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2017-07-17T22:56:42 < kakimir> good luck with that
2017-07-17T22:59:39 < Thorn> https://wiki.segger.com/images/5/5d/STM32F0_Lock.jlink
2017-07-17T22:59:52 < kakimir> vettel angry?
2017-07-17T22:59:56 < Thorn> / It is not possible to check the Status register in a commander file, therefore we just wait here a fixed amount of time
2017-07-17T23:00:19 < kakimir> he always looks happy
2017-07-17T23:00:24 < Thorn> if only they could use I dunno, TCL or something
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2017-07-17T23:01:37 < Steffanx> Not when Verstappen is annoying him kakimir, or hamilton :P
2017-07-17T23:01:45 < Steffanx> havent you seen him playing bumber cars?
2017-07-17T23:01:49 < Steffanx> @ kakimir
2017-07-17T23:03:07 < kakimir> not
2017-07-17T23:03:14 < kakimir> show me
2017-07-17T23:08:05 < kakimir> oh that
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2017-07-17T23:31:52 < englishman> dongs https://twitter.com/d0tslash/status/886439205534142464
2017-07-17T23:40:02 < Thorn> http://torrentinvites.org/f31/eu-copyright-reform-goes-bad-worse-284915/
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2017-07-17T23:47:34 < dongs> is this KF or someshit
2017-07-17T23:47:56 < englishman> yes
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2017-07-17T23:48:04 < dongs> typical dramaing then
2017-07-17T23:48:11 < englishman> of course
2017-07-17T23:48:17 < dongs> page closed
2017-07-17T23:48:50 < englishman> i thought you were trolling buddies
2017-07-17T23:48:59 < dongs> his trolling is kinda unfunny
2017-07-17T23:49:02 < dongs> but yeah i guess so
2017-07-17T23:49:46 < zyp> who's KF?
2017-07-17T23:49:49 < dongs> time to wash sandnigger sand off of me and go to sleep http://i.imgur.com/ZO7kcW1.png
2017-07-17T23:49:55 < dongs> zyp, ken finnesterre or somrthing
2017-07-17T23:50:00 < dongs> a well-known opensores troll
2017-07-17T23:52:39 < zyp> love how your font makes everything look awful
2017-07-17T23:54:20 < aandrew> wtf are you doing in jihadistan?
2017-07-17T23:55:58 < kakimir> warm beer punishment
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2017-07-17T23:56:33 < karlp> good walking pace
2017-07-17T23:57:42 < aandrew> fucking 40C at 10:30pm... fuck that shit
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2017-07-18T00:00:28 < zyp> fucking 40C at any hour, fuck that shit
2017-07-18T00:02:22 < Thorn> what happens there if there is a power outage
2017-07-18T00:02:37 < aandrew> you melt
2017-07-18T00:02:51 < kakimir> people die
2017-07-18T00:03:08 < Thorn> or do they have the most reliable power grid on the planet
2017-07-18T00:09:17 < zyp> heh, as if
2017-07-18T00:10:24 < Steffanx> what app is that btw.. that tracking app?
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2017-07-18T00:30:33 < kakimir> Steffanx: It's called "Grindr" Check it out
2017-07-18T00:30:48 < Steffanx> Will i meet you there kakimir?
2017-07-18T00:31:20 < Steffanx> We can share a sauna, drink some vodka and go skinny dipping in the lake.
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2017-07-18T00:33:46 < kakimir> not us but check for crt
2017-07-18T00:34:17 < crt> O hintto
2017-07-18T00:34:19 < Steffanx> but crt wouldnt do any of those 3 things.
2017-07-18T00:35:32 < crt> CRT?
2017-07-18T00:35:58 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome.
2017-07-18T00:36:10 < crt> Thank
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2017-07-18T00:56:46 < crt> HARDWARE
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2017-07-18T01:34:02 < kakimir> Steffanx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KYkZbvt-3g dutch artist
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2017-07-18T01:54:39 < kakimir> really tite piano
2017-07-18T02:04:36 < Rob235> if a switching psu has two V+/V- should you distribute the load on both? or does it not matter
2017-07-18T02:12:25 < kakimir> depends
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2017-07-18T02:31:43 < Laurenceb_> https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0da_1401077603
2017-07-18T02:38:16 < kakimir> there is something shining in his eyes
2017-07-18T02:43:25 < kakimir> how to get them supreme gentleman eyes Laurenceb_ ?
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2017-07-18T02:45:13 < Laurenceb_> super rich daddy
2017-07-18T02:46:09 < Laurenceb_> kakimir desktop spotted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q88ryZc-OUw
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2017-07-18T02:46:57 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: other methods?
2017-07-18T02:47:27 < Laurenceb_> you have to have moneys to be that screwed up
2017-07-18T02:47:29 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/364d3f0f49/31442.jpg
2017-07-18T02:48:48 < kakimir> okay good plan
2017-07-18T02:48:55 < kakimir> on my way there
2017-07-18T02:51:18 < Laurenceb_> https://kek.gg/i/6KVfFV.jpg
2017-07-18T02:52:19 < kakimir> what else fucked up things you can do with having shining eyes Laurenceb_ ?
2017-07-18T02:52:34 < kakimir> or even not fucked up things?
2017-07-18T02:53:45 < sync> lel unsubbed in the last one
2017-07-18T02:54:06 < kakimir> sync: are you watching that stuff?
2017-07-18T02:54:12 < sync> no
2017-07-18T02:54:19 < sync> notice the subscription button
2017-07-18T02:54:22 < kakimir> oh in the pic
2017-07-18T02:54:35 < kakimir> are you youtube fame sync ?
2017-07-18T02:54:39 < kakimir> some channel we know?
2017-07-18T02:54:41 < sync> no
2017-07-18T02:58:01 < Laurenceb_> I don't get youtube channels
2017-07-18T02:58:10 < Laurenceb_> like how much free time do these ppl have
2017-07-18T02:58:34 < Laurenceb_> video editing and audio mixing and transcoding and tons and tons of shit
2017-07-18T02:59:32 < Laurenceb_> guess if they are that big they can hire a production crew
2017-07-18T02:59:45 < sync> well, some people do it as a hobby
2017-07-18T02:59:53 < kakimir> some are narsistic
2017-07-18T03:00:50 < Laurenceb_> inb4 Alex Jahans
2017-07-18T03:01:43 < Laurenceb_> W E W https://www.reddit.com/r/farshnukeofficial/
2017-07-18T03:01:48 < Laurenceb_> no comments
2017-07-18T03:03:26 < Laurenceb_> https://pics.onsizzle.com/ngsi-1-04-32-accepting-that-l-am-a-loser-alexander-jahans-3235931.png
2017-07-18T03:03:36 < Laurenceb_> vlogging without a production crew ^
2017-07-18T03:10:29 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, any idea how much a 15-20 miles taxi ride would cost in london?
2017-07-18T03:11:00 < Laurenceb_> no sorry
2017-07-18T03:11:00 < kakimir> what is that in kilometers
2017-07-18T03:11:07 < upgrdman> k
2017-07-18T03:11:15 < kakimir> 32km
2017-07-18T03:11:16 < Laurenceb_> here it could cost perhaps £1/mile
2017-07-18T03:11:25 < Laurenceb_> v expensive imo
2017-07-18T03:11:29 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-18T03:11:31 < kakimir> it's london
2017-07-18T03:11:38 < kakimir> so expext 1,5x at least
2017-07-18T03:11:43 < Laurenceb_> but I'm in midlands so way cheaper
2017-07-18T03:11:44 < upgrdman> shit shanghai taxis are dirt cheap. 1 hour ride was like $35
2017-07-18T03:11:54 < Laurenceb_> yeah I never take taxi
2017-07-18T03:12:08 < upgrdman> k
2017-07-18T03:12:19 < kakimir> what were ou doing there?
2017-07-18T03:12:23 < Laurenceb_> take bus or in london, take tube
2017-07-18T03:12:33 < Laurenceb_> tube is like 1 train every 90 seconds
2017-07-18T03:12:39 < Laurenceb_> crazy fast
2017-07-18T03:12:40 < upgrdman> any idea if the subways go between cities, or are they just per-city?
2017-07-18T03:12:41 < kakimir> it might be even faster than taxi
2017-07-18T03:12:51 < upgrdman> thing of traveling from london to reading
2017-07-18T03:12:52 < kakimir> and it almost always is no matter what city
2017-07-18T03:13:10 < Laurenceb_> london to reading has v good train service
2017-07-18T03:13:17 < upgrdman> oh nice
2017-07-18T03:13:21 < kakimir> isn't london one big traffic jam?
2017-07-18T03:13:24 < Laurenceb_> tube is london only
2017-07-18T03:13:25 < upgrdman> and train is cheaper than taxi right
2017-07-18T03:13:27 < upgrdman> k
2017-07-18T03:13:30 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: yeah
2017-07-18T03:13:34 < Laurenceb_> train is way way cheaper
2017-07-18T03:13:39 < upgrdman> kakimir, business trip to london, family in reading
2017-07-18T03:13:51 < Laurenceb_> still costs more than a bus
2017-07-18T03:14:08 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, what site do i google for the train info
2017-07-18T03:14:21 < Laurenceb_> but intercity bus is dog slow and full of migrant workers and weirdos
2017-07-18T03:14:25 < Laurenceb_> nationalrail
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2017-07-18T03:14:28 < upgrdman> thx
2017-07-18T03:14:40 < Laurenceb_> http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/
2017-07-18T03:14:54 < sync> Laurenceb_: what are you doing to prevent the tubez from overheating?
2017-07-18T03:15:10 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-07-18T03:15:22 < Laurenceb_> you mean their overheating issues?
2017-07-18T03:15:30 < sync> yeah
2017-07-18T03:15:34 < Laurenceb_> I thought they just added better ventilation I dunno
2017-07-18T03:16:44 < Laurenceb_> if you want to get completely drug, and enjoy coke and hookers at the weekend then Reading is for you
2017-07-18T03:16:55 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, any idea roughly how often a train goes between london and reading? hourly?
2017-07-18T03:17:10 < Laurenceb_> that kind of town
2017-07-18T03:17:21 < Laurenceb_> I'd imagine at least every 30minutes
2017-07-18T03:17:29 < upgrdman> nice
2017-07-18T03:17:53 < Laurenceb_> reading is one of the busiest stations outside of london
2017-07-18T03:18:06 < Laurenceb_> prob every 20 minutes or so most of the day
2017-07-18T03:18:19 < Laurenceb_> annoying thing about trains is they stop running too early in the night
2017-07-18T03:18:24 < upgrdman> when do trains stop? 10pm-ish? earlier?
2017-07-18T03:18:29 < Laurenceb_> yeah about 11
2017-07-18T03:18:34 < upgrdman> cool no problem
2017-07-18T03:18:35 < Laurenceb_> annoying on Saturday night
2017-07-18T03:19:03 < upgrdman> my fmaily in reading are old, so i'll prolly head back to london just after dusk
2017-07-18T03:19:34 < upgrdman> the shanghai subway stops way too fucking early. like 930pm.
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2017-07-18T03:19:51 < upgrdman> i nearly got stranded because i didnt expect such faggotry
2017-07-18T03:20:28 < Laurenceb_> I live in Derby, we have busses that run all night
2017-07-18T03:20:37 < Laurenceb_> like once an hour 1am to 5am
2017-07-18T03:21:19 < sync> perfect for drunk nights out
2017-07-18T03:22:11 < upgrdman> is all of uk in the same timezone
2017-07-18T03:22:14 < upgrdman> GMT
2017-07-18T03:23:17 < Laurenceb_> its all the same zone but its not GMT
2017-07-18T03:23:28 < Laurenceb_> BST in summer, GMT winter
2017-07-18T03:23:35 < upgrdman> o
2017-07-18T03:24:42 < upgrdman> o lol, my family lives less than 1500 feet from the train stop
2017-07-18T03:25:12 < Laurenceb_> surprising
2017-07-18T03:25:19 < Laurenceb_> in house or apartment block?
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2017-07-18T03:25:47 < upgrdman> street view makes it looks like apts
2017-07-18T03:25:53 < upgrdman> or duplex or something
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2017-07-18T03:26:04 < Laurenceb_> ah, thought it was all business stuff round there
2017-07-18T03:26:18 < Laurenceb_> I used to commute from Oxford to Guildford via Reading
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2017-07-18T03:26:31 < Laurenceb_> always ended up hanging around with nothing to do
2017-07-18T03:28:01 < sync> should have gotten квас
2017-07-18T03:28:14 < upgrdman> dafuqs kbac?
2017-07-18T03:30:05 < upgrdman> god damn it. shanghai 5day forcast (fahrenheit) is 100, 100, 100, 99, 100, 100 with relative humidity of >80%
2017-07-18T03:30:13 < Laurenceb_> ouch
2017-07-18T03:30:23 < upgrdman> im gonna be flying into a fucking sauna
2017-07-18T03:31:07 < upgrdman> that's 38C for you eurofags
2017-07-18T03:31:14 < Laurenceb_> I thought Cali was hot?
2017-07-18T03:31:17 < sync> upgrdman: kvass
2017-07-18T03:31:37 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, not really. maybe for a week or two
2017-07-18T03:31:59 < kakimir> upgrdman: swedish sauna
2017-07-18T03:32:02 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, this weeks forcast in cali: 76,81,82,82,79,78
2017-07-18T03:32:07 < Laurenceb_> not so bad
2017-07-18T03:32:25 < upgrdman> plus we're american, so we AIR CONDITION ALL THE THINGS
2017-07-18T03:32:30 < Laurenceb_> we have 98F here a few years ago
2017-07-18T03:32:36 < Laurenceb_> like zero air con in uk
2017-07-18T03:33:25 < Laurenceb_> today it hit 80 or so and I was hanging in a store with air con to cool down lol
2017-07-18T03:33:52 < PeterM> it's freezing here, i could do with some warmth.
2017-07-18T03:33:59 < kakimir> think about slaves in emirates
2017-07-18T03:34:18 < kakimir> it might be something like 50C days and 40C nights
2017-07-18T03:34:29 < Laurenceb_> record here is about 37C a few years ago iirc
2017-07-18T03:34:45 < Laurenceb_> was surprisingly ok, prob due to low humidity
2017-07-18T03:34:48 < upgrdman> ya and shanghai gets hotter regularly
2017-07-18T03:35:20 < upgrdman> a year ago it was >105F (41C) for like 8 consecutive days
2017-07-18T03:35:37 < PeterM> that sounds like really nice weather
2017-07-18T03:35:42 < PeterM> (legit)
2017-07-18T03:35:45 < upgrdman> its the worst when the RH gets to 100% and it start to rain.
2017-07-18T03:35:59 < PeterM> nah
2017-07-18T03:36:03 < PeterM> she'll be right mate
2017-07-18T03:36:05 < upgrdman> you get nasty china rain (prolly acid rain + diesel fumes + etC)
2017-07-18T03:36:44 < upgrdman> and because its china, the sewers are junk and streets flood
2017-07-18T03:36:53 < PeterM> no worse than working on the farm spraying wiht the airblast sprayer and the wind changes direction
2017-07-18T03:37:19 < upgrdman> and setting into those "puddles" is so fucking cringy. i dont even want to know contaminated and disease-ridden they are
2017-07-18T03:37:30 < upgrdman> stepping*
2017-07-18T03:38:22 < upgrdman> its even weirder when you see some of the locals, usually girls, that walk barefoot in that nastyness
2017-07-18T03:38:31 < upgrdman> so they dont dirty their shoes
2017-07-18T03:38:38 < upgrdman> total boner killer
2017-07-18T03:39:52 < PeterM> TIL upgrdman is one of those weird white guys in china that walks aroudn wiht a boner in public looking at wmoens feet
2017-07-18T03:39:59 < upgrdman> lol
2017-07-18T03:41:28 < upgrdman> and jesus fuck the drivers in cn
2017-07-18T03:41:44 < upgrdman> so fucking awful
2017-07-18T03:41:59 < upgrdman> no joke: china is #1 at traffic-related fatalities
2017-07-18T03:42:15 < upgrdman> which is astonishing consider how slow people drive, and how few people drive
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2017-07-18T03:55:26 < Laurenceb_> wait til I get my license
2017-07-18T03:57:05 < upgrdman> drivers license?
2017-07-18T03:57:08 < upgrdman> how old are you?
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2017-07-18T03:59:45 < Laurenceb_> too old and lazy
2017-07-18T04:00:01 < upgrdman> oh but you dont really need a car in thhe uk huh
2017-07-18T04:00:07 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-07-18T04:00:10 < upgrdman> in so cal, most get their license at 16 or 17
2017-07-18T04:00:32 < Laurenceb_> that and spending way too much time at uni
2017-07-18T04:00:40 < Laurenceb_> undergrad then PhD
2017-07-18T04:00:51 < upgrdman> you making decent money yet
2017-07-18T04:01:50 < upgrdman> bbl
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2017-07-18T04:02:56 < Thorn> http://i.imgur.com/bDsALRn.jpg
2017-07-18T04:06:01 < Thorn> http://i.imgur.com/ZNnc8wq.jpg
2017-07-18T04:07:49 < Laurenceb_> Thorn: what does it do?
2017-07-18T04:08:19 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: Currently trying to negotiate contract with Jaguar/Land-Rover
2017-07-18T04:08:22 < Laurenceb_> funtimes
2017-07-18T04:08:32  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2017-07-18T04:08:50 < Thorn> ibeacon + eddystone
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2017-07-18T04:21:45 < Thorn> we ordered 10 but they sent 8 👍
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2017-07-18T04:33:15 < Thorn> http://i.imgur.com/yCvUj.jpg what does GND* mean here
2017-07-18T04:46:02 < englishman> is there some text below
2017-07-18T04:46:06 < englishman> what document
2017-07-18T04:46:35 < englishman> PeterM: beautiful day today 33C sunny and not humid
2017-07-18T04:49:05 < Thorn> nope just an image
2017-07-18T04:53:56 < englishman> better find something with better documentation then
2017-07-18T04:57:15 < englishman> celebrate canadas 150th birthday https://i.imgur.com/ZIdZCL8.jpg
2017-07-18T04:57:43 < Thorn> these pins are traceswo when trace is enabled so that might mean they're not 0Ω to gnd
2017-07-18T04:57:48 < upgrdman> can modern eink displays do ~10fps?
2017-07-18T04:57:53 < upgrdman> or they still slow as fuck?
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2017-07-18T06:11:47 < Thorn> why is my standby current 300...500µA when it is supposed to be 85 + 20 + 15 µA typ, 150 + 50 + 25 µA max
2017-07-18T06:12:04 < Thorn> there are no pullup/pulldown resistors or anything like that
2017-07-18T06:12:51 < upgrdman> turn off all periphs
2017-07-18T06:12:52 < upgrdman> ?
2017-07-18T06:12:59 < upgrdman> and WFI or WFE or whatever
2017-07-18T06:13:07 < Thorn> the stm32 is in stop mode
2017-07-18T06:13:10 < upgrdman> o ok
2017-07-18T06:13:34 < upgrdman> are you also measuring the regulart quiestent current
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2017-07-18T06:13:54 < Thorn> the ckt is only ldo, f030k6, serial flash and a sallen key filter/amp with 2 bjts which are in cutoff
2017-07-18T06:14:23 < upgrdman> and you factored in quiestent current for all of those?
2017-07-18T06:14:46 < Thorn> >85 + 20 + 15 µA typ, 150 + 50 + 25 µA max <-- ldo + stm32 + flash
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2017-07-18T06:15:20 < upgrdman> and your stm32 isnt powering shit accidentally through the internal ESD diodes etc?
2017-07-18T06:15:31 < Thorn> no time to desolder shit one by one
2017-07-18T06:15:37 < upgrdman> probe
2017-07-18T06:15:56 < upgrdman> make sure every pin you think is unpowered is floating/gnd-ish
2017-07-18T06:16:15 < Thorn> I tried setting gpios to input but it actually increased current
2017-07-18T06:16:38 < Thorn> (specifically spi pins)
2017-07-18T06:16:49 < Thorn> looks like if anything is worth investigating it's the spi
2017-07-18T06:27:46 < englishman> is the debugger connected and how are you measuring it
2017-07-18T06:29:39 < Thorn> no, swd is disconnected and the board is power cycled before measuring
2017-07-18T06:31:22 < englishman> using power supply to measure?
2017-07-18T06:31:35 < englishman> have you precisely measured small currents with it before?
2017-07-18T06:35:31 < Thorn> no, quality brymen with 10nA resolutin
2017-07-18T06:36:58 < englishman> hm
2017-07-18T06:38:42 < englishman> time to find out where it's leaking then
2017-07-18T06:39:06 < Thorn> the psu just shows 0.000
2017-07-18T06:39:09 < englishman> cs line floating to the flash chip?
2017-07-18T06:39:31 < Thorn> cs is always driven
2017-07-18T06:39:40 < Thorn> I set it to output low in the init
2017-07-18T06:39:49 < Thorn> *high
2017-07-18T06:40:15 < Thorn> and it stays as output all the time
2017-07-18T06:40:24 < Thorn> stop mode is not supposed to mess with gpio states
2017-07-18T07:06:58 < Thorn> j-link found a short on one of my boards and told me where it is
2017-07-18T07:07:13 < Thorn> (unrelated to the current issue)
2017-07-18T07:07:17 < aandrew> jlink wrote my thesis paper for me
2017-07-18T07:08:06 < Thorn> if definitely spits out a whole lot of messages
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2017-07-18T07:18:40 < upgrdman> so i dont want to, but is it possible to mix HAL and StdPeriphLib?
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2017-07-18T07:18:55 < upgrdman> seems like their CMSIS code is very different
2017-07-18T07:19:33 < aandrew> I think that'd be a hairy fucking mess
2017-07-18T07:19:46 < upgrdman> ya and i hate HAL so i have no plans to
2017-07-18T07:19:48 < upgrdman> just wondering
2017-07-18T07:19:56 < aandrew> I started out hating the fuck out of HAL
2017-07-18T07:20:11 < aandrew> but I've grown to not love it, but at least respect what it's trying to do
2017-07-18T07:22:00 < upgrdman> ya i appreciate why it exists, but fuck that shit. to me, firmware should be as simple as possible, and all the layers of abstraction ruin that.
2017-07-18T07:22:36 < upgrdman> when reasonable, i like my code to look like pseudocode.
2017-07-18T07:23:21 < upgrdman> with functions easily understood and clearly commented
2017-07-18T07:23:22 < aandrew> my code tends to get written bottom up, with each driver/subsystem tested more or less independently
2017-07-18T07:24:17 < aandrew> I also agree that HAL code is obnoxious
2017-07-18T07:24:28 < aandrew> I think the compiler tends to take care of a lot of that though
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2017-07-18T07:47:07 < upgrdman> wtf windows explorer. using 12GB of ram to empty my recycle bin.  http://farrellf.com/temp/windows_explorer.png
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2017-07-18T07:52:26 < dongs> 1) why the nigger are you using google drive 2) why the fuck are you using r ecycle bin
2017-07-18T07:52:46 < upgrdman> dongs, ya i need to try synctoy some day
2017-07-18T07:52:51 < upgrdman> and why not use the r bin
2017-07-18T07:53:09 < dongs> cuz shift-delete
2017-07-18T07:53:17 < upgrdman> hard mode, huh
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2017-07-18T09:16:35 < ohsix> upgrdman: http://scanlime.org/2013/05/high-quality-zen/
2017-07-18T09:20:27 < fest> what do I need to get std::chrono::system_clock::now() working with arm-none-eabi-gcc/newlib?
2017-07-18T09:21:11 < fest> according to newlib docs, I need to implement clock_t times(struct tms* buf); but it doesn't seem to be used in final image
2017-07-18T09:24:25 < dongs> what
2017-07-18T09:25:04 < zyp> guess it depends on whatever your STL calls to get the time
2017-07-18T09:25:09 < dongs> why teh fuck would you even ever use STL
2017-07-18T09:25:19 < dongs> .. on embedded
2017-07-18T09:25:32 < zyp> dongs, idk, the std::chrono part looks pretty neat
2017-07-18T09:25:40 < dongs> neat in waht fucking sense
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2017-07-18T09:26:21 < zyp> fractional time expressions, good for dealing with prescalers and shit without a ton of overhead
2017-07-18T09:26:47 < dongs> keil probablhy doesnt even support that trash
2017-07-18T09:26:58 < dongs> k time to head out for last meetings
2017-07-18T09:26:59 < dongs> bbl
2017-07-18T09:33:18 < fest> answer is: need to implement _gettimeofday
2017-07-18T09:38:29 < upgrdman> ohsix, nice, bookmarked
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2017-07-18T11:29:57 < Steffanx> Lol. Just read some article about nexperia. The article claimed the company has 11k employees. I was like: whaat.
2017-07-18T11:30:23 < Steffanx> The i read 8500 of them are chinese.. can foxconners be considered enployees?!
2017-07-18T11:32:51 < daey> they are high value employees! the company even provides housing for them!
2017-07-18T11:32:55 < daey> :D
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2017-07-18T11:44:37 < barometz> Anyone happen to know off-hand whether an STM32F4[0/1/3]7 can be switched from SW-DP mode to JTAG-DP mode without a PO reset?
2017-07-18T11:45:32 < barometz> refman tells me it defaults to JTAG-DP, can be switched to SW-DP from there, but nothing more
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2017-07-18T11:53:00 < zyp> PO?
2017-07-18T11:53:50 < PaulFertser> power on reset
2017-07-18T11:54:04 < zyp> ah, right
2017-07-18T11:54:07 < PaulFertser> In theory, the generic swd-to-jtag sequence should work
2017-07-18T11:54:13 < zyp> yes
2017-07-18T11:54:48 < zyp> I can't say I've tested specifically, but I haven't seen any signs that you can't switch freely between jtag and swd
2017-07-18T11:57:36 < dekar> daey, you can also try https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT_Example
2017-07-18T11:57:49 < dekar> In case you still have toolchain issues
2017-07-18T11:58:44 < daey> dekar: i do. i went with the "official gnu arm gcc" toolchain for now
2017-07-18T12:01:38 < dekar> Using the toolchain.sh script building should be pretty easy, even on a raspberry pi. Just make sure to install the gcc/binutils dependencies (apt-get build-dep gcc binutils ...)
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2017-07-18T12:05:26 < Emilgardis> Hey there
2017-07-18T12:05:55 < Emilgardis> I need some advice on button debounce. I have PA7 setup to trigger an exti interrupt
2017-07-18T12:06:22 < Emilgardis> now, what would be the most sane way to debounce it inside the interrupt
2017-07-18T12:08:17 < emeryth> wait before enabling the interrupt again?
2017-07-18T12:08:39 < Emilgardis> yes, I'd think so
2017-07-18T12:09:49 < Emilgardis> currently I just check pending, set it to 0 and carry on with what has to be done. but because of debounce it gets triggered way to much
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2017-07-18T12:12:24 < Emilgardis> I saw one way to do it with TIMx, where you set it to start and stop on 0, and let it run for the duration you need to debounce, then in your interrupt you just check if TIMx is 0, if not then don't do anything
2017-07-18T12:12:45 < Emilgardis> But that'd require the same amount of timers as there is inputs
2017-07-18T12:16:15 < Emilgardis> ping emeryth
2017-07-18T12:23:51 < dekar> I haven't done it before, but I think I'd turn off the interrupt and start a timeout checked from the systick to re-arm it later. (e.g. after 100ms)
2017-07-18T12:24:09 < emeryth> or just use one constantly running timer, store button press times and do the rest in software
2017-07-18T12:24:35 < dekar> that
2017-07-18T12:25:51 < Emilgardis> hmm, I guess I could store the values.
2017-07-18T12:26:22 < Emilgardis> For now though I think since I only have one button, I'm going to go with a one pulse timer
2017-07-18T12:26:34 < crt> fgt-01
2017-07-18T12:26:52 < Emilgardis> ?
2017-07-18T12:27:37 < crt> hi
2017-07-18T12:27:47 < crt> is stfn around?
2017-07-18T12:29:28 < Steffanx> No.
2017-07-18T12:29:40 < Steffanx> You?
2017-07-18T12:29:46 < crt> Yeah i'm here
2017-07-18T12:31:22 < Steffanx> Why u aksing?
2017-07-18T12:31:54 < crt> just needed my fix for the day
2017-07-18T12:32:26 < Steffanx> Fix..
2017-07-18T12:32:34 < Steffanx> Take a waffle
2017-07-18T12:32:46 < crt> just 1 today
2017-07-18T12:35:59 < Steffanx> Good. You shared?
2017-07-18T12:36:38 < crt> yes
2017-07-18T12:38:37 < crt> too many will give me the 'beetis
2017-07-18T12:39:32 < Steffanx> Lies.
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2017-07-18T14:59:29 < Laurenceb_> Guys, I am literally shaking right now. I just went into the bathroom after one of my female coworkers came out, and I'm nearly positive she was in there SHITTING. Females shitting is one of my triggers and I'm having a panic attack hyperventilating (not in the shit air of course) and can't stop crying. What do I do? Should I report her to her supervisor? I'm just so confused and scared. Is this how life is going to be
2017-07-18T14:59:29 < Laurenceb_>  in Trump's America? Again, I'm literally shaking.
2017-07-18T15:03:42 < crt> K
2017-07-18T15:04:09 < c10ud^> http://p84.cooltext.com/Rendered/Cool%20Text%20-%20not%20funny%20laurenceb%20252001656603589.png
2017-07-18T15:08:09 < crt> :)
2017-07-18T15:10:06 < crt> What to do
2017-07-18T15:12:49 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/a2f27319ebd9aa954e18024ae115a1b381ec9b593a538e331270324066d8f45c.webm
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2017-07-18T15:14:17 < Laurenceb_> What's the anglo version of a weaboo?
2017-07-18T15:14:20 < Laurenceb_> >teaboo
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2017-07-18T15:54:29 < crt> the dogs
2017-07-18T15:56:25 < crt> hahahaha
2017-07-18T15:56:30 < englishman> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/6225#issuecomment-315122022
2017-07-18T15:56:44 < englishman> 0day privilege escalation in systemd is political
2017-07-18T15:56:59 < crt> the dogs
2017-07-18T15:57:03 < crt> what a day son
2017-07-18T15:57:13 < crt> just another old dad in the pipe
2017-07-18T15:59:57 < Thorn> http://i.imgur.com/rzZf3MA.jpg
2017-07-18T16:00:15 < crt> welcome Thorn
2017-07-18T16:00:25 < crt> is that the detonator
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2017-07-18T16:01:42 < crt> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WRzI4wbj/C0A86989-DC01-44D1-8B81-13AAE0367815-22462-000019A2DDDB4203.JPG
2017-07-18T16:02:42 < englishman> you need a toaster oven Thorn
2017-07-18T16:02:51 < englishman> may I suggest looking in alleys on moving day
2017-07-18T16:04:43 < Thorn> >alleys
2017-07-18T16:04:46 < Thorn> >moving day
2017-07-18T16:04:56 < Thorn> you must be talking about Canada or something
2017-07-18T16:05:59 < englishman> sorry, Russia right
2017-07-18T16:06:05 < englishman> Gutters on eviction day
2017-07-18T16:08:30 < Thorn> there was a traditional moving day at one time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George%27s_Day_in_Autumn
2017-07-18T16:08:40 < Thorn> sort of
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2017-07-18T17:38:37 < Thorn> http://i.imgur.com/Q4TeB0h.jpg
2017-07-18T17:39:22 < englishman> ah the life of indentured servitude
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2017-07-18T18:55:59 < daey> this is ridiculous. now my program compiles perfectly fine. all i did was sleep, wait 18h and reboot
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2017-07-18T19:02:38 < daey> the -ffreestanding was the problem ;.;
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2017-07-18T20:37:06 < Steffanx> Why bitcoin is so fucking useless.
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2017-07-18T20:39:07 < englishman> trying to pay for some ransomware?
2017-07-18T20:39:21 < Steffanx> opensubtitles vip :P
2017-07-18T20:39:46 < Steffanx> Buy bitcoins, pay fee. Send transaction pay fee..
2017-07-18T20:39:57 < Steffanx> and then you have to wait for the "payment" to be confirmed
2017-07-18T20:39:59 < Steffanx> fucking hell
2017-07-18T20:40:13 < Steffanx> How annoying expensive and slow can it be?
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2017-07-18T20:54:17 < upgrdman> stm32f4 usb device... if windows fails and says "device descriptior request failed" could that mean the stm32f4 isn't clocked right? e.g. if otg_fs clock isnt 48MHz could that cause it?
2017-07-18T20:54:26 < upgrdman> or would a shit clock cause a different error
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2017-07-18T20:59:30 < zyp> Steffanx, not as slow and expensive as SWIFT though :p
2017-07-18T20:59:44 < Steffanx> i have to see that.
2017-07-18T20:59:58 < zyp> well, idk, how much are bitcoin fees nowadays
2017-07-18T20:59:58 < Steffanx> low fees can even make your transaction be rejected
2017-07-18T21:00:02 < Steffanx> how fucking useless.
2017-07-18T21:00:16 < zyp> well, duh, that's how bitcoin works
2017-07-18T21:00:41 < Steffanx> i dont consider $0.63 on $15.something low.
2017-07-18T21:01:04 < zyp> um, when was the last time you used paypal?
2017-07-18T21:01:07 < Steffanx> that's like 4%.
2017-07-18T21:01:21 < Steffanx> but at least paypal is instant.
2017-07-18T21:01:32 < englishman> hey SWIFT is awesome
2017-07-18T21:02:14 < Steffanx> i have hardly experience with bitcoin, do some payment and read after that it can be rejected due to low fees. Fuck that.
2017-07-18T21:02:34 < Steffanx> i bet last time i raged this much was a year ago.. the other time i had to buy bitcoin :P
2017-07-18T21:02:45 < englishman> thats how buttcoing works *now* that mining is unprofitable alone
2017-07-18T21:03:12 < englishman> https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-transactionfees.html
2017-07-18T21:03:55 < Steffanx> such awesome system
2017-07-18T21:04:24 < englishman> the currency of the future
2017-07-18T21:04:29 < Steffanx> lolz
2017-07-18T21:05:19 < Steffanx> It's like Laurenceb and his drivers license theory exam.. it fucking fails.
2017-07-18T21:05:26 < Steffanx> and sucks
2017-07-18T21:05:49 < zyp> apparently fee is based on transaction size (in bytes), not amount of money transferred
2017-07-18T21:05:51 < englishman> or 2PSK
2017-07-18T21:06:35 < zyp> so it's not strange that small transactions get an unproportionally high fee
2017-07-18T21:07:02 < Steffanx> $0.65 for 226 bytes is still much. My phones gprs plan wasn't even that expensive
2017-07-18T21:07:41 < englishman> lol
2017-07-18T21:07:53 < zyp> well, it's market driven
2017-07-18T21:07:56 < zyp> supply and demand
2017-07-18T21:08:04 < jaakkos> the bitcoin network limits the amount of transactions that can confirm per block (block size limit), and the consensus for how to solve that has been notoriously difficult to achieve
2017-07-18T21:08:07 < Steffanx> > kapitalism much.
2017-07-18T21:08:15 < englishman> but those 226 bytes cost 9000 GJ of energy to calculate
2017-07-18T21:08:21 < englishman> and that's only if you're successful
2017-07-18T21:08:43 < englishman> if youre not you get 0 and have to try again
2017-07-18T21:09:03 < jaakkos> the wrestling over that has been going on for years, though now it appears a solution is imminent
2017-07-18T21:09:47 < englishman> money?
2017-07-18T21:10:41 < Steffanx> just the fact that one can buy bitcoints or make real money from bitcoins makes it useless imho.
2017-07-18T21:11:00 < jaakkos> something called segregated witness, it seems. haven't followed close enough to understand it though
2017-07-18T21:11:45 < zyp> Steffanx, huh?
2017-07-18T21:11:59 < zyp> Steffanx, you'll have to elaborate on that
2017-07-18T21:12:08 < englishman> i think he's saying, buttcoin is just a middleman
2017-07-18T21:12:12 < englishman> literally solving zero problems
2017-07-18T21:12:14 < Steffanx> ^
2017-07-18T21:12:30 < zyp> just like money?
2017-07-18T21:12:48 < zyp> I don't think anybody has claimed any other role
2017-07-18T21:13:14 < englishman> buttcoin proponents have always claimed it will replace money
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2017-07-18T21:14:04 < englishman> it certainly has benefited the ransomware economy
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2017-07-18T21:14:44 < zyp> yes
2017-07-18T21:14:58 < jaakkos> and drugs :P
2017-07-18T21:15:02 < zyp> but those are not opposing arguments
2017-07-18T21:15:11 < Steffanx> Who else has it really benifited? Not me for sure.
2017-07-18T21:15:24 < zyp> the whole point of money is to be a middleman, to enable more than a direct barter economy
2017-07-18T21:15:33 < Steffanx> maybe the semi-illegal business of opensubtiles for example..
2017-07-18T21:16:49 < englishman> it's like voat
2017-07-18T21:16:56 < englishman> a bunch of people think reddit sucks
2017-07-18T21:16:59 < englishman> so they'll make their own reddit
2017-07-18T21:17:02 < englishman> with hookers and blow!
2017-07-18T21:17:17 < englishman> and so in trying to copy reddit they are always trying to be something they are not
2017-07-18T21:17:42 < zyp> I see plenty of use for an anonymous payment system even though I have no direct use for it myself
2017-07-18T21:17:48 < englishman> buttcoin is trying to be a global currency but it will never happen
2017-07-18T21:18:05 < zyp> and the technical design is elegant
2017-07-18T21:18:14 < englishman> at the very core yes
2017-07-18T21:18:21 < englishman> it's quite novel
2017-07-18T21:18:41 < englishman> but go start mining, download 20gb of years of transaction data
2017-07-18T21:18:53 < englishman> probably more now
2017-07-18T21:19:02 < zyp> this is 2017, 20gb is nothing
2017-07-18T21:19:07 < Steffanx> hehe, that reminds me of my first bitcoin experience. Downloaded some buttcoin app
2017-07-18T21:19:18 < Steffanx> it started to download and verify the entire block chain stuff
2017-07-18T21:19:22 < englishman> hm, dec 19, 2016, blockchain became 200gb
2017-07-18T21:19:25 < zyp> and miners doesn't need the full transaction history
2017-07-18T21:21:50 < jaakkos> majority of users don't need it either
2017-07-18T21:22:25 < jaakkos> because of the merkle tree structure
2017-07-18T21:23:58 < Steffanx> Last time I installed some wallet sw it started to download a shitload of GBs and started to verify stuff.
2017-07-18T21:24:23 < Steffanx> Which would take > a week,. according to the app.
2017-07-18T21:24:33 < jaakkos> that's probably the reference client (called Core nowadays)
2017-07-18T21:25:53 < Steffanx> might be, was last year. When i needed buttcoins
2017-07-18T21:26:17 < zyp> needed?
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2017-07-18T21:27:52 < jaakkos> in the same way (using merkle trees) that a bittorrent client can know that it's receiving correct data without having the whole file, in bitcoin it's possible to have "thin clients" that can trust other nodes without having full data
2017-07-18T21:28:22 < Steffanx> Yes, for the same reason i need it now zyp ;)
2017-07-18T21:28:31 < zyp> buying child porn?
2017-07-18T21:28:59 < Steffanx> Nah, already have that, but i need the subtitles
2017-07-18T21:29:17 < Steffanx> And opensubtitles is rate limited (i already said that)
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2017-07-18T21:31:57 < Steffanx> Must buy vip, which only lasts for a yeaf
2017-07-18T21:39:21 < Steffanx> And its not bitcoin that deserves my rage, but the entire eco system built around it. Its kinda the online wallet that caused my irritation.
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2017-07-18T21:47:22 < zyp> hmm, now I got inspired to install a bitcoin client to mess around
2017-07-18T21:47:46 < zyp> I wonder if I still have some old wallet files somewhere with something left
2017-07-18T21:48:02 < zyp> I doubt it, because I recall I found and sold 1 BTC in one some years ago
2017-07-18T21:51:36 < daey> one thing im curious about regarding the library linking. those *.a libraries are precompiled correct?
2017-07-18T21:51:50 < zyp> .a files are archives of .o-files
2017-07-18T21:52:11 < daey> yeah thats what i learned :)
2017-07-18T21:52:16 < zyp> i.e. just a way to bundle up multiple .o-files
2017-07-18T21:52:27 < zyp> so yes, they are compiled, just not linked
2017-07-18T21:52:29 < daey> but, there arent all that many of them around, so do all the different arm cores use the same architectures?
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2017-07-18T21:52:47 < daey> thumb seems to be one of those common ones?
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2017-07-18T21:54:12 < PaulFertser> daey: arm-none-eabi-gcc --print-multi-lib
2017-07-18T21:55:38 < englishman> all cortex-m support thumb iirc
2017-07-18T21:55:42 < daey> ive only see armv6 and v7 in multiple versions and thumb and fpu
2017-07-18T21:55:55 < englishman> armv6 doesnt have thumb2 is all (iirc)
2017-07-18T21:56:08 < englishman> which is some advanced bitfield stuff... and other stuff
2017-07-18T21:56:17 < englishman> armv6 = m0 family
2017-07-18T21:57:19 < daey> the cortex m4 simply falls into the thumb/thumb2 category then?
2017-07-18T21:58:27 < englishman> lets ask the big man
2017-07-18T21:58:28 < englishman> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0553a/CIHJJEIH.html
2017-07-18T21:59:08 < englishman> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0553a/CHDCHEAG.html
2017-07-18T22:00:03 < daey> The Cortex-M4 processor implements a version of the Thumb® instruction set based on Thumb-2 technology lol
2017-07-18T22:00:07 < daey> thats nicely worded
2017-07-18T22:09:27 < Steffanx> You should meant Wanderman. The guy of the nicely worded sentences
2017-07-18T22:09:46 < Steffanx> *meet
2017-07-18T22:09:57 < Steffanx> damn, not sure how i wrote "meant"
2017-07-18T22:14:03 < zyp> upgrdman, forgot to reply to your question, the answer is yes
2017-07-18T22:14:19 < upgrdman> zyp, thanks ya i fixed the clock
2017-07-18T22:14:23 < upgrdman> now it enumerates
2017-07-18T22:14:24 < upgrdman> but
2017-07-18T22:14:39 < upgrdman> yellow triangle in device manager and "this device cannot start, code 10"
2017-07-18T22:14:53 < zyp> device descriptor request is typically the very first request the host issues to a detected device
2017-07-18T22:15:36 < zyp> so if it fails, the device probably doesn't talk usb properly, all it does is present the proper resistance on one of the data lines to signal presence
2017-07-18T22:15:46 < zyp> which is why your kid chewing on a cable might even cause this :p
2017-07-18T22:16:30 < zyp> «device cannot start» usually means you fucked up some descriptors and the host stack refuses to go along with it
2017-07-18T22:16:53 < upgrdman> hmm ok
2017-07-18T22:17:06 < upgrdman> when all else fails, time to read the docs
2017-07-18T22:17:28 < zyp> which class are you making?
2017-07-18T22:17:41 < upgrdman> cdc com port
2017-07-18T22:18:14 < upgrdman> using the VCP_Loopback demo code from stm
2017-07-18T22:18:38 < upgrdman> i had to edit out some stupid LCD code they put in it, i may have fucked something up while doing that
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2017-07-18T23:23:41 < Steffanx> dont break the internet
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2017-07-19T00:33:53 < upgrdman> git pros: i want to revert to my last commit, permanently loosing the changes i have made since then. is that a "hard reset" ?
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2017-07-19T00:36:34 < sync> you can do it that way upgrdman
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2017-07-19T00:36:47 < upgrdman> sync, is there some better way?
2017-07-19T00:36:59 < sync> idk, I always do it that way
2017-07-19T00:37:44 < crt> Dads
2017-07-19T00:39:33 < upgrdman> sync, that did the trick. thx
2017-07-19T00:56:13 < Simon--> without hard, you're just changing the index witout changing the files. useful for making a commit again with some other approach or order
2017-07-19T01:03:05 < invzim> any of you run centos?
2017-07-19T01:03:15 < invzim> seems ubuntu is the path of least resistance for arm development
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2017-07-19T01:09:11 < upgrdman> comp sci pros: need some design advise. i have a function that updates the state of an object, but it has like 10 arguments. so it makes sense to split it up, if for no other reason than to make it harder for the user to get the arguments in the wrong order. but there needs to be a sanity check after all 10 things get update. it feels dirty to make the user manaully call the sanity check function, if i split up the update function. is there
2017-07-19T01:09:11 < upgrdman> some cleaner way to do this?
2017-07-19T01:12:18 < invzim> use a struct and pass it?
2017-07-19T01:13:29 < Thorn> in qt when you do qDebug() << foo << bar << etc; it magically adds a newline
2017-07-19T01:13:49 < upgrdman> Thorn, ya something like that would be nice
2017-07-19T01:14:02 < Thorn> I think it's a temporary object with a destructor
2017-07-19T01:14:14 < upgrdman> invzim, i was hoping to avoid but, ti seems the cleanest way
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2017-07-19T01:14:40 < invzim> I actually didn't read the scrollback, so no idea what you're working on :)
2017-07-19T01:15:00 < upgrdman> its unrelated to the scrollback so thats fine
2017-07-19T01:15:29 < Thorn> only works in c++ obv
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2017-07-19T01:19:59 < Thorn> and only if all your setters are to be called in the same statement
2017-07-19T01:26:36 < Thorn> or you can do { Config config(obj_to_config); config.setA(...); config.setB(..); /* ~Config() is called and does the checking*/ }
2017-07-19T01:27:02 < Thorn> so abuse of a temporary vs. abuse of RAII
2017-07-19T01:27:29 < Thorn> keep out of reach of dongs
2017-07-19T01:32:33 < invzim> hm, getting 2.5v instead of 3ish on an input pin with pulldown
2017-07-19T01:33:20 < invzim> is the input impedance less than high on stm32f4?
2017-07-19T01:39:36 < jadew> with a pulldown active, yeah
2017-07-19T01:39:55 < jadew> it's going to be the value of the pull down resistor (probably mentioned in the datasheet)
2017-07-19T01:40:52 < jadew> might be 50k, but that's more of a guess than a memory
2017-07-19T01:42:10 < Thorn> ban SDRs now http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4503762/On-Amazon-hacking-gadget-car-thief-s-dream.html
2017-07-19T01:42:49 < jadew> lol
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2017-07-19T01:44:18 < jadew> "Andrew Miller, chief technical officer at the motor insurers' centre Thatcham Research, said: 'Most of these technologies are designed for only one purpose, which is to break into a car."
2017-07-19T01:44:19 < jadew> haha
2017-07-19T01:44:40 < jadew> 'It tends to be organised crime which uses these devices and the problem is only going to get worse. The Government needs to review the availability of these items.'
2017-07-19T01:45:40 < jadew> "Car manufacturers have introduced encryption on key fobs in an attempt to overcome 'signal grabbing' but the HackRF One features jamming technology that bypasses that security."
2017-07-19T01:45:41 < jadew> what?
2017-07-19T01:45:53 < upgrdman> too lazy to read the article. what is it, just record-and-replay the signal from a key fob?
2017-07-19T01:46:11 < Thorn> no, it's *jamming*
2017-07-19T01:46:18 < Thorn> best way to break encryption
2017-07-19T01:46:31 < jadew> upgrdman, yeah...
2017-07-19T01:46:55 < jadew> basically something you can do with any radio on that frequency
2017-07-19T01:46:58 < Thorn> that Miller guy wins a Russian passport and a seat in the next Duma
2017-07-19T01:47:08 < Thorn> he found fit right in
2017-07-19T01:47:26 < upgrdman> ya im kinda surprise key fobs dont use rolling codes or equiv
2017-07-19T01:47:29 < Thorn> *would
2017-07-19T01:47:43 < jadew> upgrdman, they normally are
2017-07-19T01:47:44 < sync> they do upgrdman
2017-07-19T01:47:51 < jadew> I guess range rover is just shit
2017-07-19T01:47:52 < sync> but they are b0rked
2017-07-19T01:48:11 < upgrdman> my 2005 toyota celica key fob broke where it meats the key ring. i pulled out my never-used (12 year old) second key fob and it just worked.
2017-07-19T01:48:31 < upgrdman> not sure how that could be possible if mine used rolling codes
2017-07-19T01:48:38 < sync> also protip, on a lot of cars you can pull out the mirror and plug into the canbus that talks to the mirror motor and unlock the car
2017-07-19T01:48:40 < jadew> upgrdman, it's possible the car follows both keys separately
2017-07-19T01:48:44 < sync> you have a few fobs learned
2017-07-19T01:49:04 < jadew> my 2005 BMW knew to identify several keys
2017-07-19T01:49:09 < upgrdman> sync, lol nice
2017-07-19T01:49:25 < upgrdman> oh ok, so my car see the fobs as different. that somewhat comforting
2017-07-19T01:49:26 < jadew> nice sync
2017-07-19T01:51:33 < sync> vw touareg is notorious for that
2017-07-19T01:52:44 < crt> CRON
2017-07-19T01:55:37 < jadew> I hope they won't start banning SDRs
2017-07-19T01:56:27 < jadew> actually, I don't care that much, cuz I already have a hackrf
2017-07-19T01:56:38 < crt> Yeah
2017-07-19T01:56:40 < crt> Can't wait
2017-07-19T01:56:48 < crt> Next they'll ban DJs
2017-07-19T01:56:54 < crt> Then I can get a real job
2017-07-19T01:58:14 < crt> If I have to reject another warranty claim for their equipment which suffered a drink spill I'll cut my cock off and eat it
2017-07-19T01:58:36 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/mikelectricstuf/status/887312212112674816
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2017-07-19T02:31:54 < crt> Morning Laurence
2017-07-19T02:36:43 < crt> Laurenceb_
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2017-07-19T02:42:17 < Laurenceb_> sup
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2017-07-19T02:43:41 < upgrdman> anyone here been to dubai?
2017-07-19T02:43:52 < englishman> dong is there right now
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2017-07-19T02:44:50 < crt> Yes
2017-07-19T02:45:00 < crt> I went on my way 2 UK
2017-07-19T02:45:23 < upgrdman> ya i'll be in dubai for ~3hrs
2017-07-19T02:45:30 < upgrdman> also while on my way to the uk
2017-07-19T02:45:51 < crt> Uk is great
2017-07-19T02:45:52 < kakimir> dubai was lit?
2017-07-19T02:46:15 < crt> They'll pay you $500 if you grab Assange out of the embassy
2017-07-19T02:46:17 < Laurenceb_> what the fuck
2017-07-19T02:46:22 < englishman> kaks
2017-07-19T02:46:25 < englishman> finnish musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymNFyxvIdaM
2017-07-19T02:46:26 < Laurenceb_> why would I willingly go to dubai
2017-07-19T02:46:35 < crt> YeH we're coming for you
2017-07-19T02:46:41 < Laurenceb_> their stupid A380 flys over my house like 4 times a day
2017-07-19T02:46:45 < Laurenceb_> thats annoying enough
2017-07-19T02:46:55 < kakimir> because it's hub for airliners
2017-07-19T02:46:58 < crt> Better steal it
2017-07-19T02:47:05 < upgrdman> dubai be terrorizing laurence
2017-07-19T02:47:07 < crt> Heathrow
2017-07-19T02:47:13 < Laurenceb_> apparently there are liek 500k+ britbongs over there
2017-07-19T02:47:21 < crt> Of course
2017-07-19T02:47:23 < Laurenceb_> willingly living under sharia law
2017-07-19T02:47:24 < Laurenceb_> like wtf
2017-07-19T02:47:35 < crt> Get paid 300k a yeah as an electrician
2017-07-19T02:47:41 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, sharia law isnt too bad IF YOURE A GUY
2017-07-19T02:47:51 < Laurenceb_> I've seen videos of the place and there are britfags all over the place
2017-07-19T02:48:01 < invzim> ohm is messing with me, with nopull the fpga outputs 3.3, with GPIO_PULLDOWN I get 2.6
2017-07-19T02:48:25 < invzim> datasheet says minimum pulldown is 30k
2017-07-19T02:48:27 < crt> This is now a social channel
2017-07-19T02:48:51 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/index.php?title=Rotherham&redirect=no&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop
2017-07-19T02:48:52 < crt> Wtf is ohm?
2017-07-19T02:49:02 < crt> Also fpga wut
2017-07-19T02:49:09 < invzim> fpga->stm32
2017-07-19T02:49:19 < crt> NOOOOOO
2017-07-19T02:49:38 < invzim> it's a little fpga<-stm32 too :)
2017-07-19T02:49:47 < crt> you are r2 in disguise
2017-07-19T02:50:42 < Laurenceb_> WOOOT
2017-07-19T02:50:46  * Laurenceb_ just made UKP5k
2017-07-19T02:52:37 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BWs0pUMgysF/
2017-07-19T02:53:39 < Thorn> invzim: is that @ DC?
2017-07-19T02:54:25 < crt> Laurenceb_: selling pussy?
2017-07-19T02:54:36 < crt> Pimpin free
2017-07-19T02:54:37 < invzim> Thorn: volt dc yes
2017-07-19T02:56:19 < Thorn> the fpga should have multiple drive strength settings
2017-07-19T02:57:08 < crt> Cucking for immigration
2017-07-19T02:57:58 < Laurenceb_> Thorn: buzzfeed?
2017-07-19T02:58:10 < invzim> tried max in pin planner, no difference
2017-07-19T02:58:19 < invzim> man, it's late in euroland
2017-07-19T02:58:35 < Thorn> can you break the trace and measure current
2017-07-19T02:58:48 < Thorn> (are there any series resistors in there btw?)
2017-07-19T02:59:00 < invzim> no, it's just a simple status on/off signal
2017-07-19T02:59:16 < invzim> I'll have a poke at it tomorrow
2017-07-19T02:59:18 < Thorn> Laurenceb_ buzzfeed?
2017-07-19T02:59:29  * invzim does a git push and drops mike
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2017-07-19T03:41:27 < kakimir> I need to go to school
2017-07-19T03:42:16 < aandrew> no you odn't
2017-07-19T03:42:50 < kakimir> no I don't
2017-07-19T03:44:48 < kakimir> I have place in uni but it mad hard
2017-07-19T03:44:53 < kakimir> it's
2017-07-19T03:45:03 < sync> then study mad hard
2017-07-19T03:46:25 < upgrdman> kakimir, what degree are you working on
2017-07-19T03:47:09 < kakimir> mechanical engineering
2017-07-19T03:47:28 < upgrdman> oh is that why you made the jew oven a year ago?
2017-07-19T03:47:51 < kakimir> no
2017-07-19T03:48:27 < sync> mech eng isn't that hard tbh
2017-07-19T03:48:35 < sync> the construction projects are fucking annoying
2017-07-19T03:48:38 < sync> but that's it
2017-07-19T03:49:30 < kakimir> there is easy paths
2017-07-19T03:54:08 < englishman> who in here was using bosch mems sensors
2017-07-19T03:54:21 < englishman> bmx something
2017-07-19T03:54:52 < Laurenceb_> i have used their baro stuff
2017-07-19T03:55:57 < englishman> yea same
2017-07-19T03:56:11 < englishman> placed a bunch of bmp280 today infact
2017-07-19T03:56:54 < kakimir> did you go to mech eng school sync ?
2017-07-19T03:57:00 < sync> no
2017-07-19T03:57:08 < sync> I do EE, to be the better ME
2017-07-19T03:57:14 < Laurenceb_> I'm playing chicken with the vibration monitoring guys
2017-07-19T03:57:24 < englishman> me is all thermo anyway
2017-07-19T03:57:45 < Laurenceb_> refused all their job offers so far
2017-07-19T03:57:58 < englishman> swipe left
2017-07-19T03:58:04 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, what typical EE pay in Derby?
2017-07-19T03:58:12 < Laurenceb_> but I'm not going to tell them how much I actually want
2017-07-19T03:58:20 < Laurenceb_> maybe ukp40k or more
2017-07-19T03:58:40 < englishman> for 5h/ week right
2017-07-19T03:58:44 < upgrdman> and how much is rent for a 2bedroom home in a middle class area?
2017-07-19T03:58:46 < Laurenceb_> I should just get a job at pektron, they have tons of positions open
2017-07-19T03:58:52 < kakimir> sync: I barelly made it to mech eng
2017-07-19T03:59:05 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: free cuz I "rent" of my mums company
2017-07-19T03:59:10 < kakimir> EE is one level up
2017-07-19T03:59:20 < kakimir> I wouldn't have passed
2017-07-19T03:59:21 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, no im trying to get a fell for how far 40k lbs will go
2017-07-19T03:59:43 < upgrdman> like how much will it cost an adult to live in a middle class area
2017-07-19T03:59:44 < Laurenceb_> its good pay, enough to pay mortgage etc
2017-07-19T03:59:49 < Laurenceb_> yeah easily
2017-07-19T03:59:49 < sync> nah, at least the BSc courses are relatively easy tbh, they suck cock hard but it is nothint super critical
2017-07-19T04:00:06 < Laurenceb_> but they are offering me about 28k atm
2017-07-19T04:00:20 < sync> lel
2017-07-19T04:00:28 < sync> 28k for a phd
2017-07-19T04:00:30 < upgrdman> 28k lbs is like $40k ... lol that sucks.
2017-07-19T04:00:43 < Laurenceb_> I know right its ridiculous
2017-07-19T04:00:56 < upgrdman> $40k/year ... could be earned by a assistant manager at a mcdonalds
2017-07-19T04:00:59 < upgrdman> over here
2017-07-19T04:01:02 < Laurenceb_> but I know I can take the piss and do like zero work and its not 9-5
2017-07-19T04:01:09 < Laurenceb_> so there is that...
2017-07-19T04:01:54 < Laurenceb_> if I get a job at pektron its like military service tier
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2017-07-19T04:02:12 < Laurenceb_> turn up for 8am and report for daily meeting shit
2017-07-19T04:02:23 < sync> why not BAE
2017-07-19T04:02:39 < Laurenceb_> big companies suck
2017-07-19T04:02:59 < Laurenceb_> you get landed with utterly boring paperwork for years
2017-07-19T04:03:14 < Laurenceb_> and the "turn up for 9am every day or get fired" shit
2017-07-19T04:03:28 < Laurenceb_> I worked at EADS for a year
2017-07-19T04:04:24 < Laurenceb_> job duties were sorting out boring paperwork and ringing up MI6 guy to vet the Mr Muhammed who was trying to buy missile components
2017-07-19T04:04:35 < Laurenceb_> zzzzzz....
2017-07-19T04:05:28 < sync> yes, but cash moni
2017-07-19T04:05:31 < Laurenceb_> lel I remember when I was about 6 we used to hang out in pektron car park and bully the staff cuz they were so impossibly nerdy
2017-07-19T04:05:42 < Laurenceb_> let their tires down and stuff
2017-07-19T04:06:19 < sync> savage
2017-07-19T04:07:25 < Laurenceb_> >how my friend got an ASBO
2017-07-19T04:08:11 < sync> autisms confirmed
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2017-07-19T04:29:42 < Thorn> so apparently most household toaster ovens aren't powerful enough to heat up fast enough for a proper reflow profile
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2017-07-19T04:45:29 < englishman> eh?
2017-07-19T04:45:55 < englishman> I put only a small amount of insulation and it has a great curve
2017-07-19T04:46:02 < englishman> sealed it fairly air tight
2017-07-19T04:46:16 < englishman> typical 1200w oven
2017-07-19T04:46:18 < Thorn> what kind of insulation
2017-07-19T04:46:35 < englishman> thermal tape for gaps and gold tape on the window
2017-07-19T04:47:24 < englishman> got the oven when a pals house was condemned for mold, had to give away his stuff to live in a basement
2017-07-19T04:48:11 < Thorn> so you can't see inside it?
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2017-07-19T04:57:45 < jadew`> kind of a shitty problem: I know where the issue is, I have a pretty good idea about what's happening, but I don't have a complete picture
2017-07-19T04:58:03 < jadew`> if I sneeze on it, it works, so I found a couple of ways to fix it
2017-07-19T04:58:43 < jadew`> but none of them are satisfactory, because I don't understand the exact mechanism of the problem, so it may just seem like it's fixed
2017-07-19T04:59:00 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/bilalfarooqui/status/887025375754166272/photo/1
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2017-07-19T05:00:59 < jadew`> that reminds me that rick and morty isn't out yet
2017-07-19T05:01:02 < jadew`> wth are they doing?
2017-07-19T05:04:05 < englishman> Thorn: there's a much smaller visible area, but pcb is still easy to see
2017-07-19T05:04:12 < englishman> made a smaller aperture basically
2017-07-19T05:04:18 < englishman> 1x4" or so
2017-07-19T05:04:55 < Thorn> what controller are you using?
2017-07-19T05:05:03 < sync> Thorn: your internet seems to have developed some phase lag
2017-07-19T05:05:14 < sync> please attach some internet inductance or capacitance to compensate
2017-07-19T05:05:28 < englishman> controlleo2
2017-07-19T05:07:16 < Thorn> sync: not according to jpa-'s logs
2017-07-19T05:07:41 < sync> well that picture is ages old
2017-07-19T05:07:56 < Thorn> oh
2017-07-19T05:08:07 < Thorn> I thought my messages were lagging by 30 min again
2017-07-19T05:08:37 < Thorn> fortunately it looks like upgrading textual fixed it
2017-07-19T05:09:46 < englishman> the intenet pidgeon just got to moscow with yesterday's memes, leave him alone
2017-07-19T05:10:05 < Thorn> http://www.whizoo.com/i/c/l/k01.jpg why are there 3 SSRs?
2017-07-19T05:10:26 < englishman> usually two circuits in a toaster oven, plus a third "booster" element
2017-07-19T05:10:43 < englishman> probably overkill but they are $3 or something so whatever
2017-07-19T05:10:56 < englishman> remember they are in a toasty toaster oven and get toasty
2017-07-19T05:14:29 < Thorn> what is that claw shaped thing in the middle
2017-07-19T05:15:23 < englishman> a servo arm, to open the door after reflow and help it cool down at the curve rate 6 deg/s
2017-07-19T05:15:55 < Thorn> oh shit
2017-07-19T05:16:05 < Thorn> serious business
2017-07-19T05:16:37 < englishman> its tarduino and it works
2017-07-19T05:16:45 < englishman> that should tell you everything
2017-07-19T05:17:23 < jadew`> I'm having great success with 7 minutes at pizza-cooking temperature
2017-07-19T05:20:59 < Thorn> ok thanks for the help
2017-07-19T05:22:38 < Thorn> lol who the hell puts their code in the examples folder https://github.com/engineertype/ControLeo2/commit/0051f5fb0921f4aceb696e7ae251b617516b990d
2017-07-19T05:25:16 < englishman> >its tarduino and it works
2017-07-19T05:25:19 < englishman> nothing more, nothing less :)
2017-07-19T05:30:17 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/887392954104545280
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2017-07-19T05:51:02 < englishman> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2278244?start=0&tstart=0
2017-07-19T05:51:03 < englishman> hmm
2017-07-19T05:51:07 < englishman> did silabs fuck shit up?
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2017-07-19T06:01:50 < crt> good afternoon
2017-07-19T06:06:47 < Thorn> http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheet/sony/a6803029.pdf page 5, bottom left
2017-07-19T06:07:36 < crt> can i see
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2017-07-19T06:42:52 < upgrdman_> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEDd37aC8ZE
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2017-07-19T06:44:33 < upgrdman> good job china  http://i.imgur.com/nE9YJnM.gifv
2017-07-19T07:02:18 < crt> sensei saw me
2017-07-19T07:05:30 < crt> C69
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2017-07-19T07:25:26 < upgrdman> anyone know of a tool for parsing apache logs to see how many times a file has been downloaded? like "how often has my.com/free_porn.avi.exe been downloaded?"
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2017-07-19T07:28:56 < Thorn> like awstats?
2017-07-19T07:29:12 < Thorn> there should also be python etc libraries for that
2017-07-19T07:30:15 < upgrdman> is awstats a standalone tool or some embedded spyware?
2017-07-19T07:30:34 < Thorn> it's a huge perl script
2017-07-19T07:30:41 < Thorn> I run it on my VPSes
2017-07-19T07:30:59 < Thorn> not easy to set up and sounds like overkill for your requirements
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2017-07-19T07:31:51 < Thorn> if all you need to know is how many times one file has been requested you can do grep free_porn.avi.exe *.log | wc -l
2017-07-19T07:33:54 < upgrdman> i'll try that, thx
2017-07-19T07:34:13 < upgrdman> one of these days i have to read that book of bash scripting i have
2017-07-19T07:35:40 < Thorn> that toaster oven controller with automated door is missing a solenoid to push the boards out once the reflow is done l0l
2017-07-19T07:55:08 < crt> yes
2017-07-19T07:55:37 < englishman> then you need a conveyor to feed in new ones
2017-07-19T07:55:46 < englishman> then you have invented conveyor reflow
2017-07-19T07:56:02 < englishman> which is the next step up at about $1.5kusd + ship
2017-07-19T07:58:25 < englishman> dongs
2017-07-19T07:58:25 < englishman> Alright, here's an important update regarding Betaflight 3.1.7. Apparently there's a bug in that version that allows the motors to go full throttle right after you plugged in and could potentially lead to the quad taking off or cutting into your fingers.
2017-07-19T07:58:31 < englishman> ImmersionRC Ltd.
2017-07-19T08:09:44 < upgrdman> lol
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2017-07-19T08:51:40 < crt> was a good 1
2017-07-19T08:52:41 < crt> bangarang
2017-07-19T08:57:33 < ohsix> bubebis
2017-07-19T08:58:07 < ohsix> englishman: cutting your fingers off is a beta move
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2017-07-19T09:29:55 < ohsix> some dude who had a kitted up inspire 2 & talked about all the funding he got to buy dronez at cocc showed up at the lab today
2017-07-19T09:30:14 < ohsix> he's going to bring some non-autopilot drones to the meatup, going to be fun
2017-07-19T09:30:30 < ohsix> the two guys that started the meetup fly gps dji thingies
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2017-07-19T09:35:49 < PaulFertser> Aren't multi-copters dull compared to CP helis?
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2017-07-19T09:37:41 < ohsix> cp?
2017-07-19T09:38:07 < PaulFertser> collective pitch
2017-07-19T09:38:08 < ohsix> i've been calling it rate flying to the gps dudes, dunno if that is even the right term
2017-07-19T09:38:15 < ohsix> ah
2017-07-19T09:38:30 < ohsix> yea i suppose, but drones are cheap and the control systems are interesting
2017-07-19T09:38:53 < zyp> cheap and easy to fix after you crash them
2017-07-19T09:39:04 < PaulFertser> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyT6v_Su2Ks see the kid kicking ass
2017-07-19T09:39:29 < ohsix> the 3d stuff where helis go upside down and stuff is fun but way past what i can come to care about :p
2017-07-19T09:39:33 < PaulFertser> zyp: EPP planes are even cheaper and easier ;)
2017-07-19T09:39:54 < zyp> yeah, but they can't hover :p
2017-07-19T09:40:29 < ohsix> hm i was into the 3d stuff for a bit but now i can't remember why
2017-07-19T09:40:34 < ohsix> it was before quads were a thing tho
2017-07-19T09:40:58 < ohsix> constantly used it as a way to explain air moving around i think
2017-07-19T09:41:12 < ohsix> inverted pendulum style
2017-07-19T09:42:21 < PaulFertser> Can hover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwtX4iB3aH0
2017-07-19T09:42:27 < ohsix> will be fun to see people even try to hover the !gps drone
2017-07-19T09:44:47 < zyp> shouldn't be too hard
2017-07-19T09:45:25 < zyp> a gyro only multicopter has pretty good short term stability, you just can't leave it there unattended because of gyro drift
2017-07-19T09:45:37 < ohsix> ya
2017-07-19T09:45:54 < ohsix> they'll probably be able to do it & dig it, will just be fun to have a bunch of people that have only flown dji's try
2017-07-19T09:46:07 < zyp> dji's have a rate mode
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2017-07-19T09:46:41 < ohsix> i know, i've flown one of them in it, it's pretty cool/fun
2017-07-19T09:46:50 < ohsix> but the owner never has and won't
2017-07-19T09:46:56 < zyp> I remember one of my friends bought a dji phantom when they were new and let us try it
2017-07-19T09:47:10 < zyp> haha, yeah, that's kinda where my story were going to
2017-07-19T09:47:33 < zyp> he hadn't dared trying rate mode yet by the time he let me fly it, I tried it
2017-07-19T09:48:51 < ohsix> hrmph i can't find anything in helicopter control stuff that would suggest rate is the term i thought it was :| would have picked it up from old rc magazines
2017-07-19T09:48:54 < zyp> and I'm not claiming I'm good at flying or anything, the only stuff I've flown before is unflyable stuff with shitty self-written firmware
2017-07-19T09:49:17 < zyp> I'm just less risk-aversive
2017-07-19T09:53:15 < ohsix> werd
2017-07-19T09:53:26 < ohsix> ugh i've been slacking on shit i actually want to do
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2017-07-19T09:53:53 < ohsix> some of it is quad related, from before the meetup group was created
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2017-07-19T09:59:02 < ohsix> tonight was bad movie night and we watched wargames 2
2017-07-19T09:59:10 < ohsix> it was ungood
2017-07-19T10:01:16 < zyp> not worth watching at all?
2017-07-19T10:05:40 < upgrdman> imdb rating is 4.5/10
2017-07-19T10:05:51 < crt> peter is here
2017-07-19T10:05:52 < upgrdman> damn, that might be the lowest imdb rating i've seen
2017-07-19T10:05:59 < crt> hi PeterM
2017-07-19T10:18:17 < ohsix> zyp: probably not
2017-07-19T10:18:48 < ohsix> it's got that thing where people immediately find a person they just met very important
2017-07-19T10:19:05 < ohsix> and there's one or two scenes completely missing in that area lul
2017-07-19T10:19:20 < ohsix> was just a bunch of nonsense, really
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2017-07-19T11:23:24 < Steffanx> Google for something and end up in Laurenceb's github repo. The horror.
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2017-07-19T12:39:45 < Steffanx> I hate Daylight Saving Time crap. Cant get my head around it atm.
2017-07-19T12:42:07 < PaulFertser> Haha
2017-07-19T12:42:21 < PaulFertser> Move to russia, here the morons got rid of it several years ago.
2017-07-19T12:43:09 < Steffanx> I wish they did in europe too
2017-07-19T12:43:14 < PaulFertser> Why?
2017-07-19T12:44:48 < Steffanx> Because it annoys me atm :P
2017-07-19T12:45:46 < PaulFertser> How so? Trying to manually implement the logic?
2017-07-19T12:47:22 < Steffanx> Partially.
2017-07-19T12:48:16 < crt> o/
2017-07-19T12:48:25 < PaulFertser> newlib seems to have proper timezone logic already
2017-07-19T12:49:27 < Steffanx> I need to go from unadjusted rtc time to time with dst. Dont want to adjust the rtc all the time.
2017-07-19T12:50:06 < Steffanx> But the user can enter a time at any moment.
2017-07-19T12:50:13 < PaulFertser> Right, standard POSIx functions from newlib should work for that.
2017-07-19T12:50:53 < Steffanx> I tried to make mktime do it, by using -1 for thr isdst field, but it always goes to 0.
2017-07-19T12:51:52 < Steffanx> Probably some tz info, but i failed to make that work.
2017-07-19T12:52:23 < Steffanx> Pebkac, but .. too much magic on the background, so i fail to understand
2017-07-19T12:53:03 < PaulFertser> That's not the way one is supposed to do that. Set the TZ variable to "CET-1CEST,M3.5.0,M10.5.0/3" (for e.g. Berlin), then use tzset and localtime, mktime and friends.
2017-07-19T12:54:58 < PaulFertser> Or you can even not call tzset, it's implicit, it seems.
2017-07-19T12:55:30 < PaulFertser> You can test this all on your host *nix first.
2017-07-19T12:56:53 < Steffanx> Yes, there it seems to work. But setting the env. etc. didnt seem to do much on thr target with newlibnano
2017-07-19T12:57:38 < PaulFertser> Haven't tried with newlibnano, but it worked with normal newlib for me iirc.
2017-07-19T13:00:24 < zyp> Steffanx, just treat DST as any other TZ
2017-07-19T13:01:35 < PaulFertser> Yes, when tz handling in stdlib works as expected you shouldn't ever touch is_dst etc.
2017-07-19T13:01:39 < zyp> if you keep the RTC in UTC then you have to translate between UTC and local time for display and changes
2017-07-19T13:02:45 < zyp> and once you support timezones, DST doesn't really need special handling
2017-07-19T13:02:53 < PaulFertser> Yeah
2017-07-19T13:20:43 < Steffanx> But what would the right path be? Get rtc time, put it into mktime, put the ts into localtime and display time?
2017-07-19T13:21:15 < Steffanx> And when saved somethibg like, mktime, gmtime, set rtc?
2017-07-19T13:21:52 < Steffanx> (nah ill try, never really did proper tz stuff)
2017-07-19T13:45:33 < invzim> time is goddamn awfully complicate
2017-07-19T13:45:34 < invzim> d
2017-07-19T13:46:20 < invzim> for my real-job, well not really as I'm a network engineer, we keep everything in UTC and use Joda-Time to handle the timezones etc
2017-07-19T13:47:08 < Steffanx> But then i would need stm32j? ;)
2017-07-19T13:47:30 < invzim> hehe
2017-07-19T13:47:40 < invzim> I'm sure there is something similar for c++
2017-07-19T13:47:46 < zyp> keeping UTC everywhere except display and entry is the way to go
2017-07-19T13:48:21 < invzim> you still run into odd cases, like dates
2017-07-19T13:49:12 < zyp> displaying a date isn't any different from displaying time
2017-07-19T13:49:28 < invzim> yeah, but when you say something is supposed to happen at a specific date..
2017-07-19T13:49:41 < invzim> then you need to translate that into time
2017-07-19T13:50:07 < invzim> or if user enters a date in timezone X, should that date be translated into time, which may be another date in another timezone
2017-07-19T13:50:29 < zyp> ah, fair
2017-07-19T13:51:29 < invzim> my hair got a little grayer when I found out the datatype I had used in a database was unix-timestamp, i.e seconds since 1970 in the LOCAL timezone, i.e. not gmt
2017-07-19T13:52:01 < zyp> haha
2017-07-19T13:52:40 < zyp> a project I worked on once had unixtime-like timestamps but relative to a custom datum, for some stupid reason
2017-07-19T13:52:50 < Steffanx> Argh, now i see why the tz stuff didnt work on my target. Made an error in the tz string
2017-07-19T13:52:56 < invzim> to make it better, it was called timestamp WITHOUT timezone - which unintiutively then used the local timezone
2017-07-19T13:53:30 < invzim> oh, and if you can avoid it, don't use +/- hours GMT, use Europe/Oslo etc
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2017-07-19T13:53:48 < invzim> which should then take daylight savings etc into account for you
2017-07-19T14:01:31 < Steffanx> And thanks PaulFertser your tz string example solved it :)
2017-07-19T14:01:52 < Steffanx> <3 PEBKACing
2017-07-19T14:02:19 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I'm glad it worked for you :)
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2017-07-19T14:24:26 < Thorn> chapter 16 Fully Differential Amplifiers added to https://training.ti.com/ti-precision-labs-op-amps
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2017-07-19T14:38:53 < crt> Welcome
2017-07-19T14:43:05 < crt> Hello welcome
2017-07-19T14:48:47 < Steffanx> Have room?
2017-07-19T14:52:15 < crt> Yes!
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2017-07-19T14:59:02 < Thorn> musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW-1d83eaeU
2017-07-19T15:00:14 < kakimir> got medical
2017-07-19T15:00:24 < kakimir> nothing wrong with me
2017-07-19T15:00:36 < kakimir> it's official
2017-07-19T15:03:17 < crt> Eh
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2017-07-19T15:11:10 < Steffanx> No Diabeetus ?
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2017-07-19T15:15:15 < Steffanx> Was only a physical test i guess kakimir ? :p
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2017-07-19T15:41:13 < crt> N
2017-07-19T15:41:26 < crt> No beetis
2017-07-19T15:44:51 < Steffanx> Damn, it still not as easy as i hoped. How do you get from the utc time of the rtc to the localtime? People seem to do timegm, but no such thing in newlib.
2017-07-19T15:45:03 < Steffanx> How did PaulFertser do that?
2017-07-19T15:50:37 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: localtime() takes a pointer to time_t, so you just store that number in RTC. Or am I missing something?
2017-07-19T15:50:58 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: do you have that stupid fancy rtc with days/minutes instead of just time_t?
2017-07-19T15:51:04 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-07-19T15:52:00 < Steffanx> Real lpc ware
2017-07-19T15:52:22 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: http://paste.debian.net/977184/
2017-07-19T15:53:01 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: but before using mktime you need to temporarily unset timezone.
2017-07-19T15:53:33 < PaulFertser> I never understood why IC manufacturers provide broken-down time in RTC instead of solid counter...
2017-07-19T15:54:17 < Steffanx> Hmm.
2017-07-19T15:55:10 < zyp> PaulFertser, I understand it, I just think it's stupid
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2017-07-19T15:55:42 < PaulFertser> zyp: so why?
2017-07-19T15:56:08 < Thorn> what is a typical self discharge current of a 18650?
2017-07-19T15:56:25 < zyp> PaulFertser, it's done because breaking it down into a chain of counters doesn't cost much, hardware wise, vs a single second counter
2017-07-19T15:56:51 < zyp> and it avoids a lot of code/math to transform the second counter into a readable timestamp
2017-07-19T15:57:15 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: https://stackoverflow.com/a/15301457
2017-07-19T15:57:22 < zyp> for devices that only wants to display current time somehow, this makes sense
2017-07-19T15:57:29 < Steffanx> And then some go BCD and partially break that argument
2017-07-19T15:57:48 < zyp> Steffanx, how so?
2017-07-19T15:57:54 < Steffanx> Still requires some parsing
2017-07-19T15:58:00 < PaulFertser> zyp: but even the weak devices usually run at least something like newlib, so it's not a problem. But a big complication when it comes to timezones and DST.
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2017-07-19T15:58:24 < zyp> PaulFertser, yes, now in 2017
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2017-07-19T15:58:32 < zyp> but the RTCs weren't designed today
2017-07-19T15:58:40 < zyp> this is shit that's left over for legacy reasons
2017-07-19T15:58:46 < Steffanx> Ivr seen and tried that, but for some reason it(or i failed)
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2017-07-19T15:59:27 < Steffanx> For now i'll just take some open source timegm implementation. Seems to work.
2017-07-19T15:59:31 < zyp> Steffanx, the whole point of BCD is to not need to deal with multidigit numbers
2017-07-19T15:59:36 < Steffanx> Thanks anyway PaulFertser
2017-07-19T15:59:59 < zyp> I mean, BCD makes sense when you're building a watch with 78xx logic :p
2017-07-19T16:00:10 < Steffanx> But its mainly a legacy thing.. i guess
2017-07-19T16:00:23 < zyp> somebody just didn't get the note that we're not working with 78xx logic anymore
2017-07-19T16:00:34 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: probably just pull a snippet from https://stackoverflow.com/a/11324281
2017-07-19T16:00:47 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: or that, yes.
2017-07-19T16:01:05 < crt> Stiff voltage
2017-07-19T16:01:08 < Steffanx> Freebsd it was in my case :D
2017-07-19T16:01:17 < Steffanx> I can deal with bsd
2017-07-19T16:01:41 < PaulFertser> :)
2017-07-19T16:02:04 < crt> Ew
2017-07-19T16:02:31 < Steffanx> Oh no i cannot. The note in the docs is not an option
2017-07-19T16:06:26 < englishman> PaulFertser: multis are *way* cheaper than CP helis, not just to buy but also to fix. being able to crash affordably makes them much easier to learn on, so easier to adopt
2017-07-19T16:06:56 < englishman> they do pretty much everything a CP heli does too, even inverse thrust, they are just slower to switch between normal and inverted thrust
2017-07-19T16:06:57 < crt> CP
2017-07-19T16:07:04 < crt> Wtflol
2017-07-19T16:07:13 < crt> I'm no ide
2017-07-19T16:07:16 < englishman> collective pitchophilia
2017-07-19T16:07:19 < crt> IdeA
2017-07-19T16:07:23 < crt> Ah
2017-07-19T16:07:26 < crt> Hmmm
2017-07-19T16:07:27 < zyp> englishman, which multis does inverted thrust?
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2017-07-19T16:07:37 < englishman> all of them, if you put on proper esc firmware
2017-07-19T16:07:53 < zyp> I've never seen any do that in practice
2017-07-19T16:08:06 < crt> I don't know what multi is
2017-07-19T16:08:17 < englishman> it's not common, they are fast enough normally
2017-07-19T16:08:52 < crt> Guess this is not crt
2017-07-19T16:08:58 < PaulFertser> englishman: way cheaper to buy and fix, agreed. Does pretty much everything as a heli, no, can't agree. If you show some 3D multi-copter video that's anywhere close to what pilots pull with helis, I'd change my opinion.
2017-07-19T16:09:07 < qyx> inverted thrust like reversing the rotation direction?
2017-07-19T16:09:19 < englishman> i dont care about your opinion :)
2017-07-19T16:09:29 < englishman> multis still arent CPs
2017-07-19T16:09:41 < englishman> but that doesnt matter because CPs are dumb and expensive
2017-07-19T16:09:51 < englishman> exactly qyx
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2017-07-19T16:10:40 < PaulFertser> englishman: it depends on the purpose. I think most aerobatics just can't be performed on a multi, so if you like aerobatics, there's just no substitute.
2017-07-19T16:10:50 < crt> They killed Ivan with a homing drone
2017-07-19T16:11:02 < englishman> true
2017-07-19T16:11:07 < englishman> there's been some CP multis too
2017-07-19T16:11:14 < crt> Word on the street is stm32 chatters did it
2017-07-19T16:11:24 < englishman> but they suck even more, all the complexity of normal CPs without the blade inertia
2017-07-19T16:11:45 < zyp> disadvantages of both
2017-07-19T16:14:44 < englishman> the higher frequency and lower intensity of vibration make multis more amenable to FPV as well (in addition to crashability)
2017-07-19T16:14:51 < englishman> and FPV is the only way to RC imo
2017-07-19T16:16:03 < zyp> how about everybody just RC how the fuck they want?
2017-07-19T16:16:43 < englishman> well yes
2017-07-19T16:16:50 < englishman> im not saying other people should rc this way or that
2017-07-19T16:18:21 < englishman> but low cost, low repair cost and FPV are the reasons multis are so crazy popular
2017-07-19T16:19:12 < crt> https://youtu.be/ajb2wjlCDMU
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2017-07-19T17:24:47 < invzim> thank god for label printers otherwise it would be hard to ship to ìš©ì²  ì‹  :)
2017-07-19T17:30:52 < Steffanx> First character must mean: Mister. As its a man with a hat :P
2017-07-19T17:31:17 < Steffanx> Yes, i just assumed gendef
2017-07-19T17:31:19 < Steffanx> R
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2017-07-19T18:40:37 < Laurenceb_> muh desktop https://imgoat.com/uploads/364d3f0f49/31731.png
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2017-07-19T20:15:15 < Steffanx> In the end it worked out all nicely, thanks PaulFertser ( and zyp )
2017-07-19T20:15:50 < Steffanx> it was one of those hot days where even the basic things looked hard.
2017-07-19T20:17:40 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: with newlib-nano, without any tricks?
2017-07-19T20:17:57 < PaulFertser> And custom timegm
2017-07-19T20:18:02 < Steffanx> Yes. No tricks.
2017-07-19T20:19:31 < Steffanx> Except for the case when one enters the time between 2.00 and 3.00 and the time should go back. Need to find a solution for that.
2017-07-19T20:19:59 < Steffanx> as mktime cannot determine the dst there, obviously.
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2017-07-19T20:39:27 < PaulFertser> Isn't the default action of mktime in this case good enough? If it matches the way time is entered with standard desktop OSes, I'd say it is.
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2017-07-19T20:40:39 < PaulFertser> Who the hell is going to set time during the night of such a special day anyway?
2017-07-19T20:41:03 < zyp> Steffanx, haha, wat
2017-07-19T20:41:07 < zyp> who the fuck cares
2017-07-19T20:41:19 < zyp> i.e. what PaulFertser said
2017-07-19T20:41:43 < zyp> I mean, consider this: you either get CET or CEST, either is valid
2017-07-19T20:42:13 < zyp> when input is ambiguous, you can do what the fuck you want
2017-07-19T20:42:47 < PaulFertser> If the users do not like it, then they should better be forced to always enter UTC ;)
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2017-07-19T20:45:28 < englishman> hm, shouldnt your time program know the timezone, and simply know not to re-set it
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2017-07-19T20:46:21 < PaulFertser> englishman: if you enter local time during that very hour after which time goes one hour back thanks to DST, then the input is ambiguous.
2017-07-19T20:46:55 < englishman> but in this case, isn't the time zone left unchanged?
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2017-07-19T20:47:59 < englishman> sorry i ask i love how complicated seemingly simple things like time can be
2017-07-19T20:48:42 < englishman> like, at 3h the clock detects time/date match and changes timezone to reflect non-savings
2017-07-19T20:48:48 < PaulFertser> englishman: the timezone is supposed to be set, and the user is configuring only the time.
2017-07-19T20:48:53 < englishman> right
2017-07-19T20:48:59 < PaulFertser> It's the same timezone with and without DST, it's not called different timezone.
2017-07-19T20:49:04 < englishman> when user sets the time, clock remains in non-savings mode
2017-07-19T20:49:13 < englishman> hm, here they are explicitly different zones
2017-07-19T20:49:25 < PaulFertser> Where?
2017-07-19T20:49:40 < englishman> canada
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2017-07-19T20:49:46 < englishman> at least, from what i know
2017-07-19T20:49:54 < englishman> PST vs PDT for example
2017-07-19T20:50:06 < PaulFertser> englishman: man 3 timezone
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2017-07-19T20:50:37  * englishman opens lunixvm
2017-07-19T20:52:00 < PaulFertser> So conceptually it's a single timezone that has different names with and without DST.
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2017-07-19T20:52:10 < englishman> is this how linux does time?
2017-07-19T20:52:15 < englishman> there's a DST flag, ok
2017-07-19T20:52:49 < englishman> why would it change when the user is entering time?
2017-07-19T20:52:55 < englishman> treat it the same as timezone?
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2017-07-19T20:54:47 < Steffanx> Im sure someone will eventually set the time in this timespan zyp / PaulFertser.
2017-07-19T20:54:50 < zyp> when you're going from CEST to CET, 2AM-3AM happens twice in local time
2017-07-19T20:55:21 < Steffanx> but for now i didnt really care either.
2017-07-19T20:55:22 < zyp> first you have midnigth-3AM CEST, then you have 2AM-midnight, in the same day
2017-07-19T20:55:34 < zyp> so 2:30 that day is ambiguous, since it happens twice
2017-07-19T20:56:34 < zyp> in spring you have the opposite situation, where you go from midnight-3AM CET, then 4AM-midnight CEST
2017-07-19T20:56:39 < englishman> if the clock is DST agnostic shouldn't it also be timezone agnostic
2017-07-19T20:56:41 < zyp> so 3:30 doesn't exist thatday
2017-07-19T20:57:11 < zyp> englishman, the time base is DST/TZ agnostic, but displaying and entering time happens in local time
2017-07-19T20:57:22 < englishman> and date too i guess?
2017-07-19T20:57:28 < Steffanx> and date too.
2017-07-19T20:57:37 < zyp> date is just a component of time
2017-07-19T20:57:45 < Steffanx> better call it datetime :P
2017-07-19T20:58:08 < englishman> ah the problems with partial implementations of time
2017-07-19T20:59:37 < Steffanx> partial implementations of time.. wut?
2017-07-19T21:00:04 < englishman> i bet you also assume the user's DST change dates? :)
2017-07-19T21:02:32 < Steffanx> no?
2017-07-19T21:04:43 < Steffanx> Better stop using DST, i dont see the point anymore anyway.
2017-07-19T21:05:34 < englishman> that, i disagree
2017-07-19T21:05:37 < englishman> DST all the time
2017-07-19T21:06:12 < Steffanx> yes or that.
2017-07-19T21:06:16 < Steffanx> but stop switching.
2017-07-19T21:08:21 < Steffanx> Hows it foxconning englishman?
2017-07-19T21:08:46 < englishman> nothing today, did enough of that crap yesterday
2017-07-19T21:09:05 < zyp> do you guys even notice a difference with/without DST?
2017-07-19T21:09:36 < Steffanx> I do.
2017-07-19T21:09:37 < englishman> definitely, in winter
2017-07-19T21:09:45 < Steffanx> especially the change
2017-07-19T21:10:12 < Steffanx> especially the end of DST change.
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2017-07-19T21:13:44 < zyp> for me, in winter it's dark all the time and in summer it's light all the time, so DST or not is kinda moot
2017-07-19T21:14:11 < zyp> and the rest of the year it's transitioning rapidly between those, so a one hour jump isn't all that different anyway
2017-07-19T21:15:30 < zyp> IIRC during spring, sunset is about ten minutes later every day, so just a week passing makes as much difference as DST does
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2017-07-19T21:18:18 < zyp> ok, that's not true
2017-07-19T21:18:36 < zyp> it's only 2-3 minutes difference for each of morning and night
2017-07-19T21:19:52 < invzim> dst is stupid
2017-07-19T21:19:53 < invzim> utterly
2017-07-19T21:20:02 < zyp> in the north where I grew up, the differences are larger
2017-07-19T21:20:07 < invzim> no
2017-07-19T21:20:13 < invzim> the 'time' is the same
2017-07-19T21:20:33 < invzim> people should just decide that working hours is from 7-15 in that periode instead of messing with dst
2017-07-19T21:20:40 < invzim> or that, during winter we wake up at 10am
2017-07-19T21:20:56 < Steffanx> hehe
2017-07-19T21:21:06 < invzim> leave the poor clocks alone :)
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2017-07-19T21:22:42 < Steffanx> :)
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2017-07-19T23:02:18 < kakimir> hello irc
2017-07-19T23:02:55 < zyp> sup?
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2017-07-19T23:03:09 < zyp> kakimir, where were you hiding when I visited .fi?
2017-07-19T23:03:45 < kakimir> probs 250km to north from jpa
2017-07-19T23:04:11 < zyp> oh, okay
2017-07-19T23:04:26 < zyp> so in the middle of fucking nowhere?
2017-07-19T23:04:37 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-19T23:05:13 < zyp> shame
2017-07-19T23:07:10 < kakimir> tommorrow is flying day
2017-07-19T23:07:20 < zyp> ya, I'm flying to .be tomorrow
2017-07-19T23:08:11 < kakimir> #lifestyle
2017-07-19T23:08:25 < ds2> how long does it take to travel 250km via reindeer sleds?
2017-07-19T23:08:35 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redditmedia.com/kXDO3Xo1z882bKERKTAPN-5DvS-src-bhB0PZbR1Vwc.jpg?w=776&s=c6e487f0898e89ac4456ea57dd676a4a
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2017-07-19T23:12:33 < crt> Cats
2017-07-19T23:13:01 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redditmedia.com/kXDO3Xo1z882bKERKTAPN-5DvS-src-bhB0PZbR1Vwc.jpg?w=776&s=c6e487f0898e89ac4456ea57dd676a4a
2017-07-19T23:13:03 < Laurenceb_> there you go
2017-07-19T23:13:10 < kakimir> ds2: maybe a week
2017-07-19T23:13:50 < crt> Krapp
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2017-07-19T23:14:06 < ds2> wow
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2017-07-19T23:14:46 < kakimir> I don't know
2017-07-19T23:14:55 < kakimir> I bet reindeers are weak
2017-07-19T23:16:00 < crt> I'm kakimir's irc friend
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2017-07-19T23:16:40 < kakimir> true
2017-07-19T23:17:49 < crt> He showed me LEDs
2017-07-19T23:18:04 < kakimir> https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6179/6223296214_46f501c605_b.jpg look how exhausted dem look
2017-07-19T23:24:21 < crt> Buy them
2017-07-19T23:24:30 < crt> Then install led
2017-07-19T23:24:34 < crt> Win
2017-07-19T23:28:02 < englishman> this new tape of stm32f405 is different orientation from the last
2017-07-19T23:28:05 < englishman> fucking bullshit
2017-07-19T23:29:40 < zyp> wat
2017-07-19T23:30:22 < zyp> I thought shit like that was specced
2017-07-19T23:30:48 < englishman> same
2017-07-19T23:31:03 < englishman> looks like im dicknplacing today after all ^_^
2017-07-19T23:31:04 < crt> Fucking PRICKS
2017-07-19T23:31:12 < Laurenceb_> White Male
2017-07-19T23:31:28 < Laurenceb_> I bet the patriarchy is responsible
2017-07-19T23:31:28 < crt> SUP Laurenceb_
2017-07-19T23:31:48 < crt> I'm in the dog house
2017-07-19T23:32:14 < Laurenceb_> why?
2017-07-19T23:32:26 < crt> Idk
2017-07-19T23:32:33 < crt> What is the dog house?
2017-07-19T23:32:43 < Laurenceb_> in the shit, fucked
2017-07-19T23:32:49 < crt> Ah
2017-07-19T23:32:52 < crt> Maybe
2017-07-19T23:33:00 < crt> I'm on irc right?
2017-07-19T23:33:17 < Laurenceb_> looks like it...
2017-07-19T23:33:39 < crt> They told me .357 is the cure
2017-07-19T23:34:10 < crt> Terry Davis is drunk
2017-07-19T23:34:20 < Laurenceb_> http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2015/02/10/get-stuffed/
2017-07-19T23:34:51 < Laurenceb_> > Valentine Industrial Complex
2017-07-19T23:34:57 < Laurenceb_> mysides.jpg
2017-07-19T23:35:03 < crt> The backwards cap
2017-07-19T23:35:43 < crt> Heh
2017-07-19T23:37:08 < Laurenceb_> looks like it's pll-o-clock
2017-07-19T23:37:21 < Laurenceb_> and my pll is still oscillating :(
2017-07-19T23:37:57 < crt> What will you do
2017-07-19T23:38:02 < crt> I like clock
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2017-07-19T23:54:41 < kakimir> crt: install them leds in mouth?
2017-07-19T23:54:51 < kakimir> and eyes?
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2017-07-20T00:50:25 < Laurenceb_> hmf
2017-07-20T00:50:37 < Laurenceb_> I fear I will never find the PLL loop filter equations
2017-07-20T00:50:56 < Laurenceb_> brute force optimisation has got me to 10dB fade margin tho...
2017-07-20T00:51:13 < Laurenceb_> equations from Kai Borre book are obvious junk
2017-07-20T00:53:43 < sync> well, you are a pffft, so why don't you let matlab/simulink magick work out what you need for a pll
2017-07-20T00:54:51 < Laurenceb_> I need equations for script
2017-07-20T00:54:52 < Laurenceb_> grrr
2017-07-20T00:56:07 < Laurenceb_> Kai Borre shit is worse than useless, now its oscillating
2017-07-20T00:56:52 < sync> you drag the simulink block "PLL" into your window and then magic
2017-07-20T00:57:11 < Laurenceb_> implying I have simulink here
2017-07-20T00:57:45 < sync> use the russian version
2017-07-20T00:58:17 < Laurenceb_> https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=b9O6EmBlc0cC&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=second+order+PLL+coefficients+software+c&source=bl&ots=SRBpAMfkVO&sig=uatuqYB9t3ses91TqRcZQ-8pjjU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi7v7uhq5bVAhUHK1AKHQBCBOwQ6AEIMTAC#v=onepage&q=second%20order%20PLL%20coefficients%20software%20c&f=false
2017-07-20T00:58:40 < Laurenceb_> tried implementing that and it failed epically
2017-07-20T00:59:31 < Laurenceb_> almost like he copypastered without understanding properly
2017-07-20T00:59:38 < Laurenceb_> his gps lib works... for gps
2017-07-20T01:02:31 < sync> dat link
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2017-07-20T01:05:59 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbVZhRXYwNmRqM00/view?usp=sharing now I have this wall panel I can connect all the trash now
2017-07-20T01:06:09 < kakimir> wall socket panel
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2017-07-20T01:15:09 < englishman> anyone here used bq4050, bq40z50 or bq40z60 battery pack ICs?
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2017-07-20T01:23:09 < Laurenceb_> lul 18dB fade margin with guesstimated coefficients
2017-07-20T01:23:15 < Laurenceb_> this is rage inducing
2017-07-20T01:42:50 < Laurenceb_> looks like 20dB fade margin is achievable with manual tuning
2017-07-20T01:42:54 < Laurenceb_> surely good enough
2017-07-20T01:51:54 < emeb> why the rage?
2017-07-20T01:52:14 < Laurenceb_> Kai Borre equations seem to be junk
2017-07-20T01:52:23 < Laurenceb_> 10dB worse than manual tuning
2017-07-20T01:52:29 < emeb> heh
2017-07-20T01:52:45 < emeb> this for your carrier tracking loop?
2017-07-20T01:52:49 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-07-20T01:52:58 < englishman> emeb, ever dicked with multi-cell battery pack charger/management ICs?
2017-07-20T01:53:03 < emeb> englishman: never
2017-07-20T01:53:07 < Laurenceb_> just treated it as a PI controller and applied the tuning rules
2017-07-20T01:53:07 < englishman> okey thx
2017-07-20T01:53:17 < emeb> Laurenceb_: that's what I always do
2017-07-20T01:53:48 < emeb> dial in I coeff until loop settles, then dial in P coeff until it's approx critically damped.
2017-07-20T01:54:01 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-07-20T01:54:09 < Laurenceb_> wonder how optimal that is
2017-07-20T01:54:15 < emeb> then run sims at various SNR to make sure it's stable across the expected operating range.
2017-07-20T01:54:18 < Laurenceb_> probably quite optimal as its a simple system
2017-07-20T01:54:23 < emeb> yeah
2017-07-20T01:54:39 < emeb> there's not a lot of room to screw it up
2017-07-20T01:54:55 < Laurenceb_> PID autotuning was ~2orders of magnitude slower than optimal control on my arm pressure controller
2017-07-20T01:55:04 < Laurenceb_> but that was far from a simple system
2017-07-20T01:56:20 < emeb> I suspect that the performance difference between "close" and "optimal" is not really noticeable.
2017-07-20T01:59:52 < Laurenceb_> yeah prob not in the case of PLL
2017-07-20T02:02:10 < Laurenceb_> I found that adding some 2nd order lowpass filtering helps quite a lot
2017-07-20T02:02:11 < Laurenceb_> so
2017-07-20T02:02:41 < Laurenceb_> signal -> mixer -> 2nd order low pass -> discriminator -> 2nd order low pass ->loop filter -> DCO
2017-07-20T02:03:12 < emeb> interesting
2017-07-20T02:03:22 < emeb> how's the LPF compare to the BW of your signal?
2017-07-20T02:04:47 < Laurenceb_> like a couple of times the loop bandwidth
2017-07-20T02:05:13 < Laurenceb_> just to avoid irrelevant noise getting mixed up with the input to the loop filter
2017-07-20T02:05:20 < emeb> is it just acting like a matched filter to remove noise outside the bandwidth of interest?
2017-07-20T02:05:27 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-07-20T02:05:37 < emeb> pretty typical in digital comms
2017-07-20T02:06:15 < emeb> often times we'll use a fairly high-order FIR with RRC characteristic to do that on PSK systems.
2017-07-20T02:06:29 < Laurenceb_> looks like its now pretty close to theoretical FLL performance
2017-07-20T02:06:37 < Laurenceb_> easily good enough
2017-07-20T02:06:54 < Laurenceb_> dipole 350km away has 17dB fade margin
2017-07-20T02:07:02 < emeb> LOS?
2017-07-20T02:07:15 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-07-20T02:07:20 < Laurenceb_> its for rockoon tracking
2017-07-20T02:07:35 < emeb> right
2017-07-20T02:07:45 < emeb> what's the carrier freq?
2017-07-20T02:07:52 < Laurenceb_> integrated phase gives the pseudorange
2017-07-20T02:07:54 < Laurenceb_> 868mhz
2017-07-20T02:08:19 < emeb> UHF then. generally not good for non-LOS.
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2017-07-20T02:13:22 < englishman> don't think his roccoon will be going into orbit.
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2017-07-20T02:17:26 < BrainDamage> his goal has never been orbit anyway
2017-07-20T02:17:38 < BrainDamage> just cross "official" space boundary
2017-07-20T02:18:46 < BrainDamage> ( you can still be skeptical he'll launch anything at all, at this point he's only missing 20000 burn failure videos and name his project wikisat 2 )
2017-07-20T02:20:37 < Laurenceb_> lel wikisat
2017-07-20T02:31:12 < kakimir> when laurence 1 orbital launcher? Laurenceb_
2017-07-20T02:33:47 < ds2> hey emeb.. do any of the Spartan6's have NVRAM for config?
2017-07-20T02:35:30 < emeb> ds2: don't think so
2017-07-20T02:35:49 < emeb> ds2: only Spartan 3AN has nv config
2017-07-20T02:36:17 < emeb> and IIRC all they do is include a SPI flash in the pkg along with a normal Spartan 3A part
2017-07-20T02:38:12 < jadew> comment on a filter design lecture on youtube: So old school: "You may not have access to the cosh() function".  So this is an emergency method for designing a Chebyshev filter in the middle of a field in India with no internet access.
2017-07-20T02:38:33 < emeb> haha
2017-07-20T02:38:43 < emeb> "sorry dude, forgot my Casio"
2017-07-20T02:39:16 < BrainDamage> if you can approximate e^x then you can approximate all the hyperbolic functions
2017-07-20T02:40:06 < BrainDamage> ( and you can taylor expand e^x manually yourself )
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2017-07-20T02:55:34 < ds2> emeb: 'k. thanks
2017-07-20T02:57:09 < emeb> ds2: np
2017-07-20T02:57:24 < emeb> ds2: Lattice parts have built-in nv config FWIW
2017-07-20T03:05:41 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: I did have a go at designing a n-prize launcher
2017-07-20T03:06:01 < Laurenceb_> thats how I came up with the 100km rockoon design and the tracking
2017-07-20T03:06:48 < Laurenceb_> https://kek.gg/i/6JRqkp.jpg
2017-07-20T03:10:55 < ds2> emeb: IIRC - that's a OTP area
2017-07-20T03:13:00 < Laurenceb_> n-prize crossed the practicality boundary to the "only nutcases are interested" territory
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2017-07-20T03:14:35 < Laurenceb_> Monroe Lee King Jr.
2017-07-20T03:15:45 < emeb> ds2: that's correct. OTP only
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2017-07-20T03:22:56 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rx_QwjHmIw
2017-07-20T03:23:08 < Laurenceb_> uh oh I have rockoon competition
2017-07-20T03:23:22 < Laurenceb_>  1:38
2017-07-20T03:23:46 < Laurenceb_> wew 1:45
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2017-07-20T05:24:44 < upgrdman> TIL hand-held laser cutters exist   https://i.imgur.com/Sn0lFK7.gifv
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2017-07-20T05:48:23 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: handy for nuclear decommissioning
2017-07-20T05:48:33 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-20T05:48:56 < emeb_mac> unsurprisingly that hardly ever comes up
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2017-07-20T11:03:10 < LOMAS> I guess I am supposed to get the raw matrix values in the float32 array which was used while creating the matrix instance in CMSIS DSP library. But I am not getting it.
2017-07-20T11:03:50 < LOMAS> https://gist.github.com/lomassubedi/4e80daf5122d36163024b6757e8fc1f7
2017-07-20T11:04:10 < LOMAS> in this case I am not getting raw matrix values at array "coeffStruct.mWaypointsBuffr"
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2017-07-20T13:53:02 < dongs> sup doges
2017-07-20T14:11:54 < dongs> http://media.dumpert.nl/foto/921f5bc1_IMG_4144.JPG.jpg
2017-07-20T14:21:54 < LOMAS_> dongs, what is this ?
2017-07-20T14:23:12 < tpw_rules> lunch
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2017-07-20T14:43:50 < dongs> free food
2017-07-20T14:44:20 < Steffanx> Lol dongs does dumpert
2017-07-20T14:44:42 < dongs> more like i retweet dumpert links
2017-07-20T14:45:23 < Steffanx> Thats my source of Laurenceb crap
2017-07-20T14:45:30 < dongs> ya
2017-07-20T14:56:52 < Thorn> is this the best solder wire on aliexpress https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-KAINA-0-8mm-450g-Solder-Wire-63-37-Tin-Lead-Tin-Wire-Solder-Rosin/32425794776.html
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2017-07-20T15:06:36 < englishman> dongs: ever had same stm32 come in two different orientations on tape
2017-07-20T15:13:58 < dongs> ahah no, was that the 405's that you ordered from chinagirl?
2017-07-20T15:14:00 < dongs> on ~tape~
2017-07-20T15:14:07 < dongs> cuz she said they were just gonna re-reel them
2017-07-20T15:14:16 < dongs> cuz shit doesnt come on tape
2017-07-20T15:14:34 < dongs> i mean it does, but not for the price you wanted it at
2017-07-20T15:14:38 < Thorn> I recently ordered 105 f030k6 on tape
2017-07-20T15:14:56 < dongs> did you get 10 cut strips of 10 chips
2017-07-20T15:15:11 < Thorn> no, one long piece
2017-07-20T15:15:17 < dongs> so thats good?
2017-07-20T15:15:42 < dongs> or you're saying that cuz i said stm32 doesnt come on tape
2017-07-20T15:19:15 < Thorn> store listing does say STM32F030K6T6TR LQFP32 Tape and Reel #2400
2017-07-20T15:19:28 < Thorn> I didn't even notice it when ordering lol
2017-07-20T15:23:41 < englishman> dongs: o shit. That's why.
2017-07-20T15:24:23 < sync> Nice
2017-07-20T15:24:24 < englishman> And I got the same chip on tape the first time... At the same price...
2017-07-20T15:24:38 < englishman> Anyway, that's how I spent my evening
2017-07-20T15:29:49 < Steffanx> Poor evening
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2017-07-20T15:39:25 < zyp> anybody know any convenient tools for looking at ethernet packet timing?
2017-07-20T15:39:45 < zyp> basically I want something that gives me an LA-like view of ethernet traffic
2017-07-20T15:40:30 < Thorn> wireshark displays time of capture for each frame
2017-07-20T15:40:57 < zyp> yeah, but I'd like to see this in a graph, with idle time between frames
2017-07-20T15:41:39 < Thorn> https://ask.wireshark.org/upfiles/wireshark.jpg
2017-07-20T15:42:09 < Thorn> I don't think it can show individual packets
2017-07-20T15:43:47 < Thorn> trlj.blogspot.com/2015/09/wireshark-application-errors-and.html some cool pictures
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2017-07-20T15:44:16 < zyp> I'm working on some industrial ethernet shit and I want to see the timing between requests and responses
2017-07-20T15:48:52 < zyp> and it's the time between the end of a frame and the start of the next that's interesting
2017-07-20T15:50:47 < zyp> hmm, bit surprised sigrok doesn't have a decoder for this
2017-07-20T15:50:58 < zyp> not that I have an LA fast enough to pick up ethernet anyway though
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2017-07-20T16:01:35 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3QlFN1E1zw
2017-07-20T16:01:56 < qyx> are you sure LA would be sufficient for ethernet?
2017-07-20T16:02:05 < qyx> isn't there some fancy coding?
2017-07-20T16:02:26 < zyp> yes, LA would probably have to look at RMII or something
2017-07-20T16:02:55 < qyx> also, that ieee15 bla bla time distribution counters
2017-07-20T16:03:00 < qyx> *those
2017-07-20T16:03:39 < qyx> or how are they called, probably it is possible to get their values to accurately determine packet arrival or something
2017-07-20T16:04:54 < zyp> hmm, ethernet doesn't do bit stuffing, so just knowing the packet arrival time and size should be enough
2017-07-20T16:06:14 < qyx> ieee1588 that is
2017-07-20T16:06:32 < zyp> I don't think that's necessary
2017-07-20T16:06:45 < zyp> I mean, ieee1588 is for syncing nodes in a network
2017-07-20T16:07:10 < zyp> I'll only be observing at one point and only need relative time between frames observed at that point
2017-07-20T16:07:23 < qyx> I know, but there is some hardware support for it to determine the packet delay
2017-07-20T16:07:26 < zyp> so I guess the timestamp in a pcap might be good enough already
2017-07-20T16:07:56 < zyp> there won't be any switches in the network, so timing should be fairly deterministic
2017-07-20T16:08:20 < PaulFertser> Hm, I have a 2S battery here with something like http://www.ebay.com/itm/2S-Li-ion-Lithium-18650-Battery-Input-Ouput-Chip-Board-PCB-PCM-7-2V-7-4V-8-4V-5A-/321216128626 and suddenly I'm getting inverted voltage on one of the cells on balance connector, and consequently 0 voltage overall, wtf.
2017-07-20T16:08:24 < qyx> point to point only?
2017-07-20T16:08:43 < zyp> no, there will be repeaters
2017-07-20T16:08:53 < qyx> is it a bus?
2017-07-20T16:09:06 < zyp> which adds sub-microsecond of latency each
2017-07-20T16:09:21 < zyp> anyway, that's still not a problem since I'll be observing at one point
2017-07-20T16:09:57 < zyp> qyx, some industrial network shit
2017-07-20T16:10:12 < zyp> every node will have two ports connected to an internal receiver
2017-07-20T16:10:19 < zyp> and it'll be hooked up in a redundant ring
2017-07-20T16:11:22 < qyx> like profinet hf?
2017-07-20T16:11:47 < sync> PaulFertser: cell is ded then
2017-07-20T16:11:55 < zyp> qyx, yes, except not profinet
2017-07-20T16:12:29 < PaulFertser> sync: nope, I measure correct voltage on the cell itself.
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2017-07-20T16:17:34 < sync> well, if you measure inverted voltage the cell has killed itself
2017-07-20T16:18:38 < PaulFertser> sync: I measure it on the balance connector, but I measure non-inverted correct voltage on the cell itself.
2017-07-20T16:18:46 < sync> oh
2017-07-20T16:18:48 < sync> interesting
2017-07-20T16:19:09 < PaulFertser> Notice there're 4 FETs on the board I linked to.
2017-07-20T16:20:11 < sync> well yeah
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2017-07-20T16:39:46 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-07-20T16:40:00 < Laurenceb_> til sargon of akkad makes about ukp80k/year
2017-07-20T16:41:16 < Laurenceb_> at that rate he can earn more than the PM with a few more chumps
2017-07-20T16:55:29 < benpicco> how does texane's stlink tool compare to openOCD?
2017-07-20T17:00:29 < zyp> benpicco, as far as I know, it's well obsoleted by openocd now
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2017-07-20T17:09:11 < emeb> I tried texane a few years ago and it was buggy as hell + lacked support for newer families
2017-07-20T17:09:36 < emeb> but I checked their github a few months back and saw that it's still maintained and even had support for F7 stuff
2017-07-20T17:10:14 < emeb> I see a lot of folks do use it, so...
2017-07-20T17:10:59 < emeb> but I use OOCD almost exclusively, sometimes falling back to BMP.
2017-07-20T17:11:23 < PaulFertser> ST guys sent some support for H7 for OpenOCD recently.
2017-07-20T17:11:42 < emeb> nice
2017-07-20T17:12:13 < emeb> PaulFertser: I'm using F72x at the moment and OOCD doesn't have support for that in mainline yet.
2017-07-20T17:12:32 < emeb> PaulFertser: there appear to be some dudes working on supporting it, but their stuff hasn't been pushed upstream yet.
2017-07-20T17:12:54 < emeb> It's pretty simple to do - just a few lines of new device IDs so I just patched it myself
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2017-07-20T17:13:14 < emeb> just curious why the holdup tho. F72x has been out for months...
2017-07-20T17:13:57 < PaulFertser> emeb: is it on Gerrit yet? I can push if it's really that simple and reviewed.
2017-07-20T17:14:20 < emeb> PaulFertser: yeah - it's on Gerrit - been there for a while
2017-07-20T17:14:53 < PaulFertser> emeb: http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/4136/ ?
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2017-07-20T17:15:20 < PaulFertser> Ah, http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/4045/
2017-07-20T17:15:23 < emeb> PaulFertser: that looks right.
2017-07-20T17:15:54 < emeb> PaulFertser: (the Andreas Bolsch one)
2017-07-20T17:15:55 < PaulFertser> 4045 should be merged I guess
2017-07-20T17:16:35 < emeb> PaulFertser: yeah - I just grabbed that and patched it into my local copy. works fine.
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2017-07-20T17:24:27 < PaulFertser> emeb: thanks for the pointer
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2017-07-20T17:25:36 < Laurenceb_> if I have two measurements of a value and want to round them both to e.g. nearest integer, how can I do this in a way that handles noise?
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2017-07-20T17:25:57 < Laurenceb_> e.g.just round will fail if both values are around n+0.5
2017-07-20T17:26:21 < Laurenceb_> or is this impossible...
2017-07-20T17:26:59  * Laurenceb_ brainmelt
2017-07-20T17:27:36 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: I think once you find out what question you really want to ask, you'll see the solution right away ;)
2017-07-20T17:28:29 < englishman> lol good answer
2017-07-20T17:30:14 < Laurenceb_> well measurement 1 and measurement 2 both have to round to the same integer
2017-07-20T17:30:51 < PaulFertser> have to?
2017-07-20T17:31:11 < Laurenceb_> well thats what I'm aiming for
2017-07-20T17:31:32 < PaulFertser> Why would they?
2017-07-20T17:31:48 < PaulFertser> And why do you want that?
2017-07-20T17:32:30 < Laurenceb_> to get consistent measurements
2017-07-20T17:33:18 < PaulFertser> You'll have to explain more to be understood I'm afraid.
2017-07-20T17:33:18 < englishman> just don't measure at all? then you have a perfectly consistent measurement
2017-07-20T17:33:28 < Laurenceb_> hmm I don't think this is possible without introducing more factors - some sort of time based hysteresis
2017-07-20T17:33:52 < Laurenceb_> as there will always be a sharp transition point between integer values
2017-07-20T17:34:46 < PaulFertser> Moving average?
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2017-07-20T18:06:27 < daey> in what time frame do you have to complete the measuring?
2017-07-20T18:10:20 < emeb> I'd use hysteresis.
2017-07-20T18:10:23 < emeb> it's easy
2017-07-20T18:11:11 < Laurenceb_> maybe
2017-07-20T18:11:15 < emeb> of course that still doesn't guarantee that the two will round to the same value
2017-07-20T18:11:22 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-07-20T18:11:23 < emeb> if there's a large change between them
2017-07-20T18:11:32 < Laurenceb_> each measurement if from a ground station
2017-07-20T18:11:42 < emeb> different ones?
2017-07-20T18:11:48 < Laurenceb_> I need to calculate the rockoon launch time and round to nearest second
2017-07-20T18:11:50 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-07-20T18:12:27 < Laurenceb_> I guess I could round down and then trim the data centrally
2017-07-20T18:13:04 < Laurenceb_> idea is there is a simple script at each station that runs pll and lock detect to output a pseudorange file thats then emailed
2017-07-20T18:13:22 < sync> 0o
2017-07-20T18:13:39 < Laurenceb_> right mix of simples and easy to use imo
2017-07-20T18:14:03 < sync> just put a csac in everything and do simple calculations
2017-07-20T18:14:04 < Laurenceb_> theres no way I writing some bloated gui with ip shit
2017-07-20T18:14:36 < Laurenceb_> hmm next issue
2017-07-20T18:14:42 < Laurenceb_> how to work out the time
2017-07-20T18:15:07 < Laurenceb_> I added timestamping to airspy_rx but I need to filter it somehow
2017-07-20T18:15:42 < Laurenceb_> got down to a few µs jitter using ntpd and timestamping the data as it arrives over usb
2017-07-20T18:16:14 < Laurenceb_> but only a few % of the data is prompt, most is delayed by milliseconds due to usb drivers and shit
2017-07-20T18:16:29 < Laurenceb_> need to filter out prompt timestamps
2017-07-20T18:17:34 < Laurenceb_> this could actually be good enough for DTOA style navigation with basic laptop and airspy lol
2017-07-20T18:18:51 < Laurenceb_> well if you have a stable low lag connection and several hours in a temperature stable room with tcxo on your motherboard
2017-07-20T18:21:01 < sync> as I said, csac
2017-07-20T18:32:31 < PaulFertser> emeb: is it possible someone tests 4045 on F767?
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2017-07-20T18:32:59 < jadew> ok... so every resource on the subject of RF filters that I came across in the past two days is shit (and that includes maybe 10 books too)
2017-07-20T18:33:24 < jadew> I have yet to find one that makes the link between the mathematical model and the physical one properly
2017-07-20T18:33:41 < emeb> PaulFertser: Possible. I don't have F76x handy so I can't right now.
2017-07-20T18:34:35 < emeb>  there's an F767 Nucleo available though, so *someone* could.
2017-07-20T18:35:28 < PaulFertser> I thought probably someone around here can.
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2017-07-20T19:50:10 < qyx> analog pros, If I have a digital ground connected to the chassis, where do I connect the analog input ciax shield?
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2017-07-20T19:51:11 < qyx> apparently a simple problem
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2017-07-20T19:58:01 < jadew> to the chassis
2017-07-20T19:59:35 < jadew> you're only connecting the chassis to ground so it can act as a shield itself
2017-07-20T20:00:35 < qyx> so how can be analog and digital grounds split then?
2017-07-20T20:00:37 < jadew> ideally you wouldn't have any other currents flowing through the chassis, other than the EMI stuff
2017-07-20T20:00:46 < jadew> so there's no danger of common mode coupling
2017-07-20T20:00:58 < jadew> you shouldn't split them
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2017-07-20T20:01:48 < BrainDamage> make sure that digital ground doesn't have current flowing trough the analog ground and you'll be ok
2017-07-20T20:01:50 < upgrdman> i need to make a gui like this https://i.imgur.com/ORkMTrD.gif
2017-07-20T20:01:54 < jadew> just make sure that the return currents are kept separate
2017-07-20T20:03:10 < jadew> upgrdman, that's a good incentive to learn the shortcuts
2017-07-20T20:04:22 < qyx> ok, I don't get it
2017-07-20T20:05:15 < BrainDamage> V=RI, digital currents can have large I and are pretty impulsive-like, if the digital current flows trough the analog plane you can have ground bounces on the analog side
2017-07-20T20:05:26 < BrainDamage> so you'll get all sort of shit
2017-07-20T20:05:51 < BrainDamage> digital currents can flow in the analog side if you connect the planes in more than a point
2017-07-20T20:06:14 < qyx> I understand, but this is different from what jadew said
2017-07-20T20:06:24 < qyx> thats exactly the problem I am tring to find an answer to
2017-07-20T20:06:49 < qyx> because this happens if the coax shield is connected to the analog ground plane AND the chassis
2017-07-20T20:07:18 < qyx> which makes twi separate paths (through the chassis and the second through the star connection)
2017-07-20T20:07:59 < qyx> the obvious solution is to simply have a single ground plane
2017-07-20T20:08:52 < BrainDamage> if you have a single large ground plane it's not different from 2 separated with multiple interconnections, so you'll get currents flowing trough the analog portion
2017-07-20T20:08:53 < qyx> but then meh
2017-07-20T20:09:23 < jadew> I have to go, but look into return currents
2017-07-20T20:09:37 < jadew> you want to control the path high frequency stuff goes through
2017-07-20T20:09:42 < jadew> and that's fairly easy to control
2017-07-20T20:09:50 < jadew> the low frequency stuff doesn't matter, it takes all paths
2017-07-20T20:11:23 < jadew> as for the coax shield
2017-07-20T20:11:36 < jadew> if you have a shielded coax, tie that to the chassis
2017-07-20T20:11:46 < jadew> if you only have the braid, tie that to the ground
2017-07-20T20:14:18 < jadew> the radios I've seen so far all have the shield connected to the chassis and then immediately to the ground
2017-07-20T20:14:31 < jadew> you don't want your return current from the signal to go through the chassis
2017-07-20T20:14:51 < jadew> anyway, ttyl
2017-07-20T20:15:06 < qyx> bb
2017-07-20T20:18:02 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/82be0c5cdc/32075.jpg
2017-07-20T20:29:39 < Laurenceb_> http://archive.is/cEOfu
2017-07-20T20:30:59 < Steffanx> http://bit.ly/2ttNRv1 pick one Laurenceb_
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2017-07-20T20:36:08 < Laurenceb_> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/07/20/1638244/elon-musk-says-he-has-a-green-light-to-build-a-ny-philly-baltimore-dc-hyperloop
2017-07-20T20:36:14 < Laurenceb_> actual funnies
2017-07-20T20:40:57 < Steffanx> better show us the usefulness of rockooning Laurenceb_ :P
2017-07-20T20:42:53 < BrainDamage> as long as he wastes his money, what's the problem?
2017-07-20T20:43:20 < Steffanx> talking about Laurenceb_ or musk?
2017-07-20T20:43:45 < Laurenceb_> my rockoon is budget free
2017-07-20T20:43:51 < BrainDamage> both, with the difference is that musk is a bit less in my face
2017-07-20T20:44:18 < Laurenceb_> lel
2017-07-20T20:45:09 < Steffanx> budget free means like there is no budget limit?
2017-07-20T20:45:18 < Laurenceb_> there is no budget
2017-07-20T20:45:47 < sync> so it is just theoretical autisming?
2017-07-20T20:47:40 < englishman> Can't wait to live my childhood dream of riding inside those bank deposit tubes
2017-07-20T20:47:56 < Laurenceb_> sync: the white paper is fake
2017-07-20T20:48:00 < Steffanx> is it like your drivers license theory exam Laurenceb_? Wont ever happen? :)
2017-07-20T20:48:27 < Laurenceb_> there are things like magic steam that vanishes without causing issues
2017-07-20T20:52:56 < Steffanx> i think he was referring to your project Laurenceb_.
2017-07-20T21:11:47 < sync> ^
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2017-07-20T21:59:46 < Steffanx> dont bully Laurenceb_ so much.
2017-07-20T22:02:25 < Laurenceb_> leave me alone
2017-07-20T22:02:28 < Laurenceb_> *triggered*
2017-07-20T22:02:54 < Laurenceb_> me right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqSTXuJeTks
2017-07-20T22:03:01 < Steffanx> that remind me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D2lq7PbwRc
2017-07-20T22:06:32 < Steffanx> Better visit Grindr and get laid Laurenceb_
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2017-07-20T22:11:59 < Laurenceb_> ewww
2017-07-20T22:12:12 < Laurenceb_> having said that I did get laid with tindr
2017-07-20T22:12:18 < Laurenceb_> apparently it never happened
2017-07-20T22:12:34 < Laurenceb_> I'll pretend it didn't
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2017-07-20T22:45:00 < Laurenceb_> tindr: not even once
2017-07-20T22:45:02 < Laurenceb_> He tried so hard, and got so far. But in the end, he's strung up in the shower.
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2017-07-20T22:46:31 < zyp> Laurenceb_, huh, you've actually gotten laid?
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2017-07-20T22:47:35 < Laurenceb_> the horror
2017-07-20T22:48:55 < jpa-> she's still in therapy?
2017-07-20T22:49:49 < Laurenceb_> the-rapey
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2017-07-20T22:56:18 < zyp> Laurenceb_, no, it's just a bit surprising
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2017-07-20T22:58:40 < Steffanx> i real life Laurenceb_ is a real sweet guy. Married, dog, 3 childeren..
2017-07-20T22:58:42 < Steffanx> *in
2017-07-20T22:58:56 < zyp> no, that's dongs
2017-07-20T22:59:35 < Steffanx> dongs = Laurenceb_ :o
2017-07-20T22:59:48 < Laurenceb_> http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160107162745/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/resources/sexratiochart_tcm77-384400.png
2017-07-20T23:00:19 < jpa-> what is an internal migrant?
2017-07-20T23:00:24 < Laurenceb_> ^ male autists over 24 in uk get mobbed by female autists
2017-07-20T23:00:37 < Laurenceb_> moving to different region
2017-07-20T23:02:43 < Laurenceb_> also 18-24yrold males like to an hero
2017-07-20T23:02:59 < Laurenceb_> prob due to lack of grrls
2017-07-20T23:04:21 < Steffanx> When will you move?
2017-07-20T23:04:30 < jadew> Laurenceb_, in other words, the migrants are banging your women
2017-07-20T23:04:40 < jadew> (that's what the graph says)
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2017-07-20T23:05:01 < Laurenceb_> no
2017-07-20T23:05:15 < Laurenceb_> the _internal_ migrants are female
2017-07-20T23:05:19 < jadew> oh, it's aboug biological sex
2017-07-20T23:05:36 < jadew> I thought it was about how much sex they have
2017-07-20T23:05:42 < Laurenceb_> i identify as an internal migrant
2017-07-20T23:05:44 < jadew> wtf is an internal migrant
2017-07-20T23:06:18 < jadew> probably migrants that are there?
2017-07-20T23:06:55 < jadew> then that's a good graph, you have more female migrants than male
2017-07-20T23:06:56 < zyp> hmm, the internet in .be is pretty shit
2017-07-20T23:07:14 < jadew> zyp, the internet everywhere seems pretty shit lately to me
2017-07-20T23:07:32 < zyp> can't say I've noticed
2017-07-20T23:07:33 < jadew> I noticed a couple of big sites going down at once these days
2017-07-20T23:08:01 < zyp> internet has been fine for me since I came out of the forest last week
2017-07-20T23:08:01 < jadew> and I know it was the sites and not my connection because I got that "cloud issue" page
2017-07-20T23:08:25 < Laurenceb_> I'm confused tho
2017-07-20T23:08:37 < Laurenceb_> 10% of guys die between 18 and 24?!
2017-07-20T23:08:48 < jadew> where did you get that from?
2017-07-20T23:08:59 < Laurenceb_> change in sex ratio
2017-07-20T23:09:12 < jadew> you didn't say what an internal migrant is
2017-07-20T23:09:15 < jadew> so I can't comment
2017-07-20T23:09:19 < jadew> but it is possible
2017-07-20T23:09:53 < jadew> I know of a lot of guys that died around that age
2017-07-20T23:10:00 < jadew> mainly because they were stupid
2017-07-20T23:10:24 < jadew> (car crashes all of them)
2017-07-20T23:10:28 < Laurenceb_> hmm same here
2017-07-20T23:10:47 < Laurenceb_> but I'm surprised how much the graph changes
2017-07-20T23:11:23 < Laurenceb_> anyway, tl;dr :
2017-07-20T23:11:48 < Laurenceb_> under 24 == might as well be an autist as you arent going to get laid anyway
2017-07-20T23:12:08 < Laurenceb_> over 24 == thats a bad idea as it will just attract female autists
2017-07-20T23:12:14 < Laurenceb_> this explains everything
2017-07-20T23:13:34 < jadew> btw, in those car crashes lots of girls died too
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2017-07-20T23:14:04 < jadew> so maybe that's not it
2017-07-20T23:14:51 < jadew> the rest of the guys that died, did so in childhood
2017-07-20T23:14:59 < jadew> but it was mainly guys... weird
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2017-07-20T23:36:07 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Nikola_Tesla
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2017-07-20T23:38:41 < Laurenceb_> not as good as https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Jimbo_Wales
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2017-07-21T00:14:48 < invzim> hm, so I got a mystery IC from ali marked C08R - 8 pins and not the SN74LVC1G08DBVR I purchased
2017-07-21T00:15:49 < jadew> oh noes, a clone from china?
2017-07-21T00:15:51 < invzim> ah, probably SN74LVC2G08DCTR
2017-07-21T00:16:07 < invzim> double the gates for the same money
2017-07-21T00:16:14 < invzim> or no money, can't use it..
2017-07-21T00:18:29 < sync> das muss doch billo sein
2017-07-21T00:19:10 < jadew> grr.. I need to buy a book and it's super expensive
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2017-07-21T00:21:33 < invzim> another use for my microscope camera, snapping a picture as evidence of the tiny thing I received :)
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2017-07-21T00:21:48 < invzim> jadew: google search for pdf no good?
2017-07-21T00:21:58 < jadew> didn't turn up anything
2017-07-21T00:22:01 < jadew> only spam sites
2017-07-21T00:22:37 < invzim> filetype:pdf is usually good for me
2017-07-21T00:22:45 < jadew> yeah, didn't work
2017-07-21T00:23:15 < jadew> and it costs almost $120 :/
2017-07-21T00:23:26 < jadew> that's an expensive book, no?
2017-07-21T00:23:32 < invzim> must be a good book :)
2017-07-21T00:23:37 < jadew> I hear it is :)
2017-07-21T00:23:45 < invzim> some 'narrow' titles are priced stupid like that
2017-07-21T00:23:51 < jadew> and apparently it has the formulas I'm looking for
2017-07-21T00:25:01 < jadew> the hardcover version is $300 :/
2017-07-21T00:25:06 < jadew> ffs...
2017-07-21T00:25:23 < jadew> USED
2017-07-21T00:25:45 < jadew> new it's $670
2017-07-21T00:26:22 < jadew> you'd think they made enough money off of it, since it's in print since fucking 67
2017-07-21T00:26:37 < invzim> out of curiosity, which book is it?
2017-07-21T00:26:52 < jadew> Handbook of Filter Synthesis by Zverev
2017-07-21T00:27:02 < jadew> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Handbook-Filter-Synthesis-Anatol-1967-01-15/dp/B01F81T01A/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1500585873&sr=8-2&keywords=Handbook+of+Filter+Synthesis
2017-07-21T00:28:34 < jadew> this is the cheapest I found: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Handbook-of-Filter-Synthesis-Anatol-I-Zverev-/371931354015
2017-07-21T00:29:06 < jadew> but I was hoping for the hardback version for that much money
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2017-07-21T00:32:26 < invzim> that sucks
2017-07-21T00:32:45 < invzim> you could alwasy try a real, as in physical, library
2017-07-21T00:33:13 < jadew> good idea, I'll look it up
2017-07-21T00:39:52 < jadew> can't find it at the local library
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2017-07-21T01:46:35 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZOaI_Fn5o4 new trailer
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2017-07-21T03:27:32 < Thorn> jadew: out of curiosity, is there some lost art in that book which is not available in more recent ones?
2017-07-21T03:27:39 < Laurenceb_>  I'd kill myself if I were the Linkin Park lead singer too
2017-07-21T03:28:32 < jadew> Thorn, yeah, some math that seems to be skipped in everything recent
2017-07-21T03:28:37 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYNRhzX6gw8
2017-07-21T03:28:43 < Thorn> Laurenceb_: found you at your new job https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHhzB5DnpJo
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2017-07-21T06:02:55 < dongs> https://ksr-video.imgix.net/assets/017/588/250/d1eca618d9e0e0c5994c1d4a578f8f44_h264_high.mp4 1:30+
2017-07-21T06:09:54 < englishman> wat
2017-07-21T06:10:05 < englishman> blaming his aliexpress resell on trolls?
2017-07-21T06:10:26 < dongs> naswh hes going to chgina to start the machines
2017-07-21T06:10:45 < englishman> 10,590 backers pledged £452,626 to help bring this project to life.
2017-07-21T06:10:49 < englishman> wtf
2017-07-21T06:11:12 < dongs> retards gonna retard
2017-07-21T06:11:33 < dongs> any fadget spinner dickstarters netted > 1mil yet?
2017-07-21T06:13:16 < englishman> all of them?
2017-07-21T06:13:44 < englishman> 154,926 backers pledged $6,465,690 to help bring this project to life.
2017-07-21T06:13:51 < dongs> wow
2017-07-21T06:14:27 < dongs> thats a nice aliexpress haul
2017-07-21T06:14:52 < englishman> $500 flight to china, maybe $50k for mould and bits
2017-07-21T06:14:57 < englishman> rest is profit
2017-07-21T06:15:41 < dongs> it costs me almost as much for a flight to osaka than osaka->china :(
2017-07-21T06:15:58 < dongs> fuck japan
2017-07-21T06:17:29 < jadew> dongs, are you the one who trolled them?
2017-07-21T06:17:40 < dongs> haha no. im way too busy for that shit
2017-07-21T06:17:52 < dongs> i ran out of amex giftcard so I couldtn even give these fucks $1
2017-07-21T06:18:29 < jadew> tbh, at first I thought it's another of this guy's videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPMDCJrRpT8
2017-07-21T06:19:09 < dongs> ahahah
2017-07-21T06:21:09 < jadew> oh... he blamed it on being black lol
2017-07-21T06:21:28 < jadew> that was unexpected
2017-07-21T06:21:54 < dongs> why WOULDNT you blame anything on being black
2017-07-21T06:23:07 < jadew> doesn't that make him a racist?
2017-07-21T06:23:15 < dongs> but hes already lbasck
2017-07-21T06:23:16 < dongs> black
2017-07-21T06:23:18 < dongs> c ant help it
2017-07-21T06:23:25 < jadew> noticing race first, instead of thinking about other shit that might have gone wrong?
2017-07-21T06:24:39 < dongs> i wuldn't trust a nigger to deliver a quality product either
2017-07-21T06:24:47 < dongs> and im not racist or anythingt
2017-07-21T06:26:22 < jadew> you should be on their forums, trolling
2017-07-21T06:26:57 < dongs> im toobusy failing my own dickstarter
2017-07-21T06:27:04 < jadew> which?
2017-07-21T06:31:39 < englishman> a competing travel charger
2017-07-21T06:31:49 < jadew> haha
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2017-07-21T06:33:46 < dongs> haha
2017-07-21T06:58:45 < dongs> http://store.steampowered.com/app/654880/ found R2COM's favorite game
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2017-07-21T07:33:03 < dongs> for fucks sake windows zip folders
2017-07-21T07:33:07 < dongs> make a .zip
2017-07-21T07:33:13 < dongs> paste a new file into it
2017-07-21T07:33:16 < dongs> end up weith corrupted zip
2017-07-21T07:33:22 < dongs> been broken since win7 at least
2017-07-21T07:33:27 < dongs> doesnt anyone fuckign test this shit damn
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2017-07-21T07:50:51 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yFMURXmDW8
2017-07-21T07:59:22 < ohsix> the guy in that kickstarter credits tesla for inventing the air conditioner
2017-07-21T08:00:37 < ohsix> if you're looking for the troll, i think it's david peacock
2017-07-21T08:00:40 < ohsix> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1249002224/micro-the-worlds-smallest-universal-travel-adapter/comments
2017-07-21T08:00:44 < ohsix> lots of them have been removed
2017-07-21T08:03:09 < ohsix> so uh anyone know jedec standards or whatever that might say what standard layer numbers/names are in a thing like eagle
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2017-07-21T08:10:00 < ohsix> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Pork-Bungs-Pig-inverted-rectum-Pork_50033502645.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.2.q01tbI
2017-07-21T08:26:57 < aandrew> ohsix: making hot dogs?
2017-07-21T08:27:12 < aandrew> 25 metric tons minimum order is a lot of pork rectum
2017-07-21T08:37:12 < dongs> ohsix can only afford 25 metric tons of condensed autism
2017-07-21T09:04:07 < dongs> d o n g s
2017-07-21T09:04:19 < dongs> did o6 fill the rest of the chats with monologue
2017-07-21T09:06:45 < ohsix> hot dorgs
2017-07-21T09:06:56 < ohsix> aandrew: nah just followed along with the video i posted a bit ;p
2017-07-21T09:07:07 < ohsix> i know where to get tons of rectums already
2017-07-21T09:10:50 < ohsix> oog
2017-07-21T09:11:14 < ohsix> enter the gungeon must be cpu heavy, cuz it runs better on 5 year old laptop & integrated graphics than the big pc i played a lot of junk on
2017-07-21T09:14:04 < ohsix> +the linux version of, laptop, etc
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2017-07-21T09:16:10 < ohsix> Should I brand my product with the specification version number, such as “Bluetooth 5”?
2017-07-21T09:16:12 < ohsix> No, branding a Bluetooth enabled product with the Bluetooth Core Specification number can be confusing for your customers.
2017-07-21T09:16:26 < ohsix> confusing for customers yes, confusing for literally everything else? no way!
2017-07-21T09:24:27 < ohsix> 'whats new in bluetooth 5' -> list of vague bullshit, and 6000 page document
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2017-07-21T09:28:41 < crt> identify bit
2017-07-21T09:29:20 < ohsix> after 150 items, ali express avg reception time is 22.29333333repeating
2017-07-21T09:30:55 < ohsix> ne1 of those diy mill persons try flatcam?
2017-07-21T09:31:08 < ohsix> side from kostix i can't remember who's done one
2017-07-21T09:33:08 < dongs> no
2017-07-21T09:35:55 < dongs> oh, new keil
2017-07-21T09:36:19 < dongs> okay grew by 300megs
2017-07-21T09:39:00 < dongs> o wait no, 523 was already huge
2017-07-21T09:40:56 < dongs> http://www2.keil.com/mdk5/524/
2017-07-21T09:40:58 < dongs> oh thank fuck
2017-07-21T09:41:19 < dongs> they finally fixed fucking source referencing with clang
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2017-07-21T10:10:11 < zyp> no wonder the internet here is shitty, it's a fucking ADSL connection
2017-07-21T10:11:55 < zyp> 12/.6 according to the modem, but I don't see 12
2017-07-21T10:12:54 < dongs> RIP
2017-07-21T10:14:09 < aandrew> lol keil
2017-07-21T10:14:16 < dongs> ya keep laughin bro
2017-07-21T10:14:20 < dongs> meanwhile I get results
2017-07-21T10:14:25 < dongs> you keep making those makefiles
2017-07-21T10:14:34 < Steffanx> Hah, belgium.
2017-07-21T10:14:44 < dongs> where?
2017-07-21T10:14:51 < Steffanx> Zyp
2017-07-21T10:15:02 < zyp> ya
2017-07-21T10:15:05 < dongs> oh, he got sent to auschwitz to finish the final job?
2017-07-21T10:15:21 < Steffanx> That place is in poland
2017-07-21T10:15:30 < zyp> I thought it was in austria
2017-07-21T10:15:38 < dongs> oh
2017-07-21T10:15:47 < zyp> either way belgium is a couple of countries away
2017-07-21T10:16:21 < Steffanx> Only germany between you and poland indeed
2017-07-21T10:17:01 < zyp> this country is some weird mix between Steffanx and frenchmen
2017-07-21T10:17:04 < dongs> those fucking 0.96 oled are a cunt to solder
2017-07-21T10:17:54 < Steffanx> I know this belgium guy who hitchikes to Poland to drive back in a Polish( or maybe even a soviet union) fiat 126p aka maluch.
2017-07-21T10:18:09 < Steffanx> Its true.
2017-07-21T10:19:22 < zyp> dongs, not just align shit and solderbar?
2017-07-21T10:19:27 < Steffanx> Yes, they should seperate belgium zyp, give one part to the dutch, one to the french and a tiny part to germany
2017-07-21T10:20:22 < dongs> zyp, sure, like 20 pins
2017-07-21T10:20:25 < dongs> i dont have a solderbar
2017-07-21T10:20:33 < Steffanx> Get one
2017-07-21T10:20:34 < zyp> sounds like it's time to get a solderbar then
2017-07-21T10:20:39 < dongs> heh
2017-07-21T10:21:08 < Steffanx> What is even a solder bar?
2017-07-21T10:21:18 < Steffanx> Never heard of it :P
2017-07-21T10:21:21 < zyp> bar-shaped solder tip
2017-07-21T10:21:29 < dongs> https://is.alicdn.com/img/pb/074/634/550/550634074_582.jpg
2017-07-21T10:21:30 < dongs> solder bar
2017-07-21T10:21:49 < zyp> umm
2017-07-21T10:22:17 < Steffanx> I googled too, and i could not imagine zyp meant that
2017-07-21T10:22:34 < zyp> sorry, hot bar
2017-07-21T10:26:12 < dongs> dongs
2017-07-21T10:26:19 < dongs> made a bunch more shittyflasher boasrds
2017-07-21T10:26:29 < dongs> i wonder if I should add sd card to it
2017-07-21T10:26:41 < dongs> SPI flash is ok but annoying to update
2017-07-21T10:26:55 < dongs> plus i can have firmwaer for a bunch of different boards on it
2017-07-21T10:27:14 < dongs> soon that google will turn off chrome apps, i won't have a convenient pc-based stm32 flasher utility
2017-07-21T10:27:41 < zyp> aww
2017-07-21T10:28:02 < dongs> ya sad days ahead
2017-07-21T10:29:20 < Steffanx> Stop upgrading
2017-07-21T10:29:33 < crt> hello welcome
2017-07-21T10:29:45 < Steffanx> Have room
2017-07-21T10:29:49 < dongs> upgrading to what
2017-07-21T10:30:34 < Steffanx> To the version with apps disabled?
2017-07-21T10:30:45 < dongs> uh, you can't disable chrome autoupdate
2017-07-21T10:30:53 < dongs> and you can't download (as far as I know) a full .exe chrome installer
2017-07-21T10:31:04 < dongs> its always pulling some crap of itsself from web
2017-07-21T10:31:33 < Steffanx> Install in a vm without internet access
2017-07-21T10:31:37 < Steffanx> So many solutions
2017-07-21T10:31:47 < dongs> cool
2017-07-21T10:31:48 < dongs> i'll do that
2017-07-21T10:32:05 < Steffanx> And there is no setting to disable auto update?!
2017-07-21T10:32:36 < dongs> https://www.chromium.org/administrators/turning-off-auto-updates i guess you can
2017-07-21T10:32:41 < Steffanx> Yes, you can. Windows pro style. Reg edit.
2017-07-21T10:32:49 < Steffanx> What else.
2017-07-21T10:32:51 < dongs> haha
2017-07-21T10:32:53 < dongs> right
2017-07-21T10:33:12 < crt> full take care.
2017-07-21T10:36:34 < Steffanx> !wz melbourne
2017-07-21T10:36:36 < dieforirc> [Melbourne, Australia] Clear. Temp is 12.3°C. East wind: 1.0 kph. Humidity: 63%.
2017-07-21T10:37:37 < crt> awesome
2017-07-21T10:37:50 < crt> when should i get out of here today stfn?
2017-07-21T10:37:59 < dongs> its fucking 34C here
2017-07-21T10:38:22 < crt> its a bit nippy there mate
2017-07-21T10:41:18 < dieforirc> [Phoenix, Arizona] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 27.2°C. Humidity: 69%.
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2017-07-21T10:44:11 < Steffanx> 17.00, go visit a pub, grab a beer crt
2017-07-21T10:44:14 < Steffanx> Its weekens
2017-07-21T10:44:15 < Steffanx> D
2017-07-21T10:44:19 < Steffanx> Oh and a waffle
2017-07-21T10:44:45 < crt> yeah later later
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2017-07-21T10:44:55 < crt> still got until 10pm for that
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2017-07-21T11:39:45 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/forum/62719/
2017-07-21T11:39:47 < dongs> keil taken over by chinks
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2017-07-21T15:42:01 < crt> identify foot
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2017-07-21T16:16:36 < Steffanx> Waffle? Beer?
2017-07-21T16:17:10 < crt> dog
2017-07-21T16:17:15 < crt> bit of both
2017-07-21T16:17:32 < crt> and you
2017-07-21T16:17:33 < crt> >
2017-07-21T16:18:25 < crt> | Not A Link Dump | NO TRUMP
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2017-07-21T16:24:08 < crt> Steffanx: peter is back
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2017-07-21T17:09:21 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/82be0c5cdc/32212.png
2017-07-21T17:09:49 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/mFz42uP.gif
2017-07-21T17:25:34 < benpicco> a fascinating chip indeed https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/7/6/386
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2017-07-21T17:26:08 < Rob235> tectu
2017-07-21T17:26:08 < Rob235> boo
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2017-07-21T17:27:33 < englishman> lunix on H7 ehhhh
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2017-07-21T17:47:54 < Laurenceb_> embedded lunix, not even once
2017-07-21T17:51:45 < benpicco> What's so bad about it? It sounds tempting with a known API and lots of drivers for free
2017-07-21T17:51:52 < Thorn> MDMA controller?
2017-07-21T17:52:16 < Thorn> should have done the LSD controller first
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2017-07-21T17:58:40 < dongs> < benpicco> What's so bad about it? It sounds tempting with a known API and lots of broken drivers for free
2017-07-21T17:58:43 < dongs> ftfy
2017-07-21T18:02:11 < Laurenceb_> horrifyingly written drivers with write once code
2017-07-21T18:02:25 < Laurenceb_> and way overcomplex shit everywhere
2017-07-21T18:02:32 < Laurenceb_> chibios ftw
2017-07-21T18:03:54 < dongs> nbuttx
2017-07-21T18:05:42 < Laurenceb_> or that
2017-07-21T18:05:58 < Laurenceb_> or QNX or vxworks
2017-07-21T18:06:12 < benpicco> how about riot-os?
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2017-07-21T18:06:39 < Laurenceb_> even a riot is better than embedded lunix
2017-07-21T18:07:01 < Thorn> is this a good deal? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-20pcs-lots-STM32F030C8T6-STM32F030-MCU-ARM-64K-FLASH-LQFP-48-Best-quality/32420232408.html
2017-07-21T18:07:18 < englishman> its ok
2017-07-21T18:07:52 < englishman> hm those lil things come with 64k flash
2017-07-21T18:07:58 < englishman> yeah pretty good
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2017-07-21T18:12:07 < Laurenceb_> temple os ftw
2017-07-21T18:12:32 < dongs> f030? thats a bit much, no?
2017-07-21T18:12:40 < dongs> BEST QUALITY
2017-07-21T18:12:45 < dongs> is that crystall-less usb?
2017-07-21T18:12:46 < dongs> or no usb on 030
2017-07-21T18:12:58 < Thorn> no usb in 030
2017-07-21T18:13:05 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRNmyyza5os
2017-07-21T18:13:30 < Laurenceb_> 3:40
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2017-07-21T18:13:59 < Laurenceb_> I wonder if he is actually completely normal and it's all a troll
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2017-07-21T18:16:11 < Laurenceb_> wew 5:58
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2017-07-21T18:16:26 < dongs> wow is he doing daily blogs now
2017-07-21T18:16:29 < dongs> does he haev a patreon
2017-07-21T18:16:38 < Laurenceb_> yes
2017-07-21T18:16:52 < Laurenceb_> he is like the murican equivalent of Devvo
2017-07-21T18:17:35 < Laurenceb_> which would also explain why I get the feeling he is actual normal and trolling
2017-07-21T18:17:38 < Thorn> how does he make his living?
2017-07-21T18:18:47 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJebbcddhtg
2017-07-21T18:18:50 < dongs> what hte fucking hell is this shit
2017-07-21T18:18:59 < dongs> is he at walmart or somethign
2017-07-21T18:19:00 < dongs> liveshatblogging
2017-07-21T18:19:10 < dongs> this is how o6 should make money
2017-07-21T18:20:44 < dongs> https://youtu.be/GRNmyyza5os?t=942 lmaoo
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2017-07-21T18:22:16 < Laurenceb_> lul this shpping
2017-07-21T18:22:23 < Laurenceb_> so much shit
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2017-07-21T18:24:16 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/b31785e103c7d4d613074faece5a15f45bbe1c4f541e0de11769cda2132e7d3d.webm
2017-07-21T18:25:12 < dongs> what the shit
2017-07-21T18:25:17 < dongs> heh as new videos
2017-07-21T18:25:19 < dongs> every ferw hours
2017-07-21T18:25:26 < dongs> mostly of him being naked
2017-07-21T18:26:00 < Laurenceb_> wew
2017-07-21T18:30:41 < Rob235> grr how am I supposed to debug this shitz. trying to use the sdcard reader on the back of this lcd and it doesn't want to work
2017-07-21T18:30:49 < Rob235> using mbed
2017-07-21T18:31:39 < englishman> dongs https://youtu.be/brMK8qy1kUI?t=40s
2017-07-21T18:32:11 < dongs> bwahaha
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2017-07-21T18:52:24 < Laurenceb_> http://www.cornwalllive.com/men-encouraged-to-masturbate-by-nhs-to-reduce-risk-of-cancer/story-30431033-detail/story.html
2017-07-21T18:52:44 < dongs> why is terry davis mug on front page of that
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2017-07-21T18:53:30 < Laurenceb_> wew the comments
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2017-07-21T19:11:47 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/b95ec94ae85855d973df4f6015c5591048fd8e05766f606113c09c0f53706da4.jpg
2017-07-21T19:11:50 < Laurenceb_> pededexter
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2017-07-21T19:27:05 < jadew> any ideas if those china CNCs can be used to etch PCBs with 0.2 mm traces?
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2017-07-21T19:27:30 < jadew> "etch"
2017-07-21T19:29:14 < jadew> I hate etching PCBs
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2017-07-21T19:30:21 < Laurenceb_> I doubt that
2017-07-21T19:30:29 < Laurenceb_> 0.2mm is quite precise
2017-07-21T19:30:54 < Laurenceb_> str="123"
2017-07-21T19:30:54 < Laurenceb_> str = 123
2017-07-21T19:30:55 < Laurenceb_> octave:132> sscanf(str,"%b")
2017-07-21T19:30:55 < Laurenceb_> error: sscanf: invalid format specified
2017-07-21T19:31:02 < Laurenceb_> fucking gnu-octave
2017-07-21T19:32:10 < Laurenceb_> wtf it needs a number of ints to extract
2017-07-21T19:32:25 < Laurenceb_> why they change everything
2017-07-21T19:33:04 < englishman> whats wrong with 10 10x10cm pcbs for $5 from china
2017-07-21T19:33:42 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-07-21T19:33:49 < englishman> even once you mill out a pcb you only have 1 layer crap with no soldermask, have to drill vias then plug vias with wire
2017-07-21T19:33:51 < Laurenceb_>  _GNU_-octave
2017-07-21T19:34:32 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw
2017-07-21T19:36:57 < jadew> englishman, they take too long
2017-07-21T19:37:04 < jadew> I'm testing microwave filters
2017-07-21T19:37:11 < jadew> so I go through one or two per day
2017-07-21T19:37:35 < englishman> o yea then its 1L crap, get a mill and mill as much rodgers or teflon as your little heart desires
2017-07-21T19:38:41 < jadew> I might, but I'm not sure I can get that accuracy from China
2017-07-21T19:38:51 < englishman> 8 thou?
2017-07-21T19:39:03 < jadew> yeah
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2017-07-21T20:10:50 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ forgot about the no 4/8chan policy.
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2017-07-21T20:22:26 < emeb> warm up the ban hammer!
2017-07-21T20:24:12 < Steffanx> that only happens when your client goes rogue mr emeb ;)
2017-07-21T20:26:30 < emeb> we gotta have standards!
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2017-07-21T21:22:27 < englishman> so i need to do bga, where do i get an xray and digital sensor
2017-07-21T21:22:55 < englishman> and lead pants
2017-07-21T21:23:17 < BrainDamage> pretend you have a toothache then quickly plut the pcb in front of the machine
2017-07-21T21:23:42 < englishman> my what large capacitors you have
2017-07-21T21:25:05 < englishman> hmm these companies supply demo models
2017-07-21T21:31:02 < Steffanx> just dont screw up and you dont need an xray.
2017-07-21T21:35:02 < englishman> solid life advice
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2017-07-21T22:30:02 < emeb> ol -> https://twitter.com/john_lam/status/888442492051259392
2017-07-21T22:30:02 < emeb> see also -> http://faucetimpressionsglobal.com/about.html
2017-07-21T22:30:03 < emeb> people tracking & advertising on bathroom sinks
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2017-07-21T22:58:11 < Steffanx> lol emeb :D
2017-07-21T22:58:34 < emeb> the future is going to be so awesome
2017-07-21T22:59:52 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdDFYYzBrMnVHQ1U/view?usp=sharing some goretex vents
2017-07-21T23:00:09 < Steffanx> why kakimir.
2017-07-21T23:00:20 < kakimir> for air to flow
2017-07-21T23:00:27 < kakimir> slash gases
2017-07-21T23:00:28 < Steffanx> wheere?
2017-07-21T23:00:36 < kakimir> in and out
2017-07-21T23:00:45 < Steffanx> but in what thing will you be using them
2017-07-21T23:01:04 < kakimir> everything
2017-07-21T23:01:15 < Steffanx> butt plug?
2017-07-21T23:01:24 < kakimir> if it has closed structure - i will use them
2017-07-21T23:01:51 < kakimir> blow a hole to enclosure and tighten it in and it's done
2017-07-21T23:01:58 < BrainDamage> way to doxx yourself
2017-07-21T23:02:25 < Steffanx> I already knew his real name
2017-07-21T23:02:29 < Steffanx> and his address even.
2017-07-21T23:03:05 < Steffanx> Even stalked him using google street maps.
2017-07-21T23:03:20 < BrainDamage> well, duh, you're the waffle dealer
2017-07-21T23:03:34 < Steffanx> want some?
2017-07-21T23:04:52 < BrainDamage> last time i tried i didn't like them, altough not sure if it was represenative, i tried a bunch of mini stroopwaffles from flying tiger
2017-07-21T23:05:22 < Steffanx> I''ll sent free samples :P
2017-07-21T23:05:25 < Steffanx> *send
2017-07-21T23:07:44 < kakimir> take your free diabetes.. it would be rude to turn such offer down
2017-07-21T23:08:06 < Steffanx> There are worse thing to give you diabetes kakimir.
2017-07-21T23:08:12 < Steffanx> You ate 1.5kg and are still alive.
2017-07-21T23:08:20 < Steffanx> 1.5kg is a few weeks.
2017-07-21T23:08:26 < Steffanx> even i cant do that :P
2017-07-21T23:08:52 < kakimir> it was pure glugose-fructose
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2017-07-21T23:15:10 < Steffanx> but you liked it kakimir, im know you did
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2017-07-21T23:45:45 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-21T23:47:44 < Steffanx> *i
2017-07-21T23:56:43 < ohsix> you'll be fixing so many things you'll be sick of fixing things they said
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2017-07-22T00:00:15 < kakimir> Steffanx: in the similar way one would like morphine or dying
2017-07-22T00:02:38 < karlp> hey BrainDamage, has flying tiger alway sbeen called flying tiger in italy?
2017-07-22T00:04:00 < BrainDamage> mmm, i think it was called just tiger few years ago
2017-07-22T00:08:07 < karlp> yeah, same here
2017-07-22T00:08:15 < karlp> just renamed the last few month sor so
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2017-07-22T01:20:00 < upgrdman> lol http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-offers-inmates-reduced-sentences-exchange-vasectomy-n785256
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2017-07-22T02:13:10 < jadew> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/remove-basement-smell-from-old-equipment/
2017-07-22T02:13:29 < jadew> anyone want to buy a 20 GHz sig gen?
2017-07-22T02:38:59 < kakimir> no
2017-07-22T02:39:20 < kakimir> why?
2017-07-22T02:39:26 < jadew> read the thread
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2017-07-22T02:43:27 < kakimir> why you have such device?
2017-07-22T02:43:34 < kakimir> soviet tech?
2017-07-22T02:43:58 < jadew> british
2017-07-22T02:45:47 < jadew> I needed it
2017-07-22T02:45:54 < kakimir> seriously?
2017-07-22T02:46:10 < kakimir> it's not every day you need 20GHz waveforms
2017-07-22T02:46:36 < jadew> I still do, but I moved it on the balcony for now, until I figure out what's the deal with the smell
2017-07-22T02:47:38 < jadew> I only need it up to 8 GHz, but it's what I found
2017-07-22T02:48:02 < kakimir> are you building a microwave link or radar then?
2017-07-22T02:48:17 < jadew> no
2017-07-22T02:49:21 < jadew> it was nice to be able to characterize filters up to 15 GHz tho
2017-07-22T02:49:32 < kakimir> 8ghz... what is happening at 8..
2017-07-22T02:50:19 < jadew> that's the signal I was working with
2017-07-22T02:50:57 < jadew> (the highest signal)
2017-07-22T02:51:22 < jadew> can't tell you what it is until it's done
2017-07-22T02:52:34 < kakimir> I didn't know you are rf engineer
2017-07-22T02:52:35 < jadew> it has more uses anyway
2017-07-22T02:52:51 < jadew> I'm not, I'm a hobbyist
2017-07-22T02:53:17 < jadew> for example, now I was experimenting with some 6 GHz low pass filters
2017-07-22T02:54:00 < jadew> but it's not much of a characterization if you can only go 30% above the cutoff frequency
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2017-07-22T03:44:12 < jadew> audiophool network card: http://jplay.eu/ml_post_slider/jcat-net-card-femto/
2017-07-22T03:44:47 < jadew> "Connect a network audio player, a media server (NAS) or a broadband router to any of the two 1Gbit LAN ports on the JCAT NET Card FEMTO and experience great sound quality improvement when streaming audio data."
2017-07-22T03:45:05 < jadew> http://jplay.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/comparison.png
2017-07-22T03:45:38 < englishman> cool
2017-07-22T03:45:41 < englishman> 422eur
2017-07-22T03:46:58 < jadew> http://jplay.eu/jcat/
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2017-07-22T03:48:44 < jadew> http://jplay.eu/jcat/#manual8
2017-07-22T03:48:47 < jadew> reference lan cable lol
2017-07-22T03:49:04 < jadew> more expensive than the board
2017-07-22T03:50:44 < jadew> sata cable: 350 eur
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2017-07-22T03:52:30 < jadew> with 2k you can buy $30 worth of cables
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2017-07-22T05:35:25 < dongs> trying to make a dvd ifo with opensores tools right
2017-07-22T05:35:29 < dongs> get spammed with error messages
2017-07-22T05:35:32 < dongs> google error message
2017-07-22T05:35:39 < dongs> first hit, some unreadable sourceforget mailing list
2017-07-22T05:35:50 < dongs> its telling user to "search teh archives"
2017-07-22T05:35:53 < dongs> cuz its a "FAQ"
2017-07-22T05:35:58 < dongs> search link = gmane which is dead now
2017-07-22T05:36:00 < dongs> fucking awesome
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2017-07-22T05:37:55 < jadew> it's opensource
2017-07-22T05:38:00 < jadew> you can write your own documentation
2017-07-22T05:41:53 < dongs> openfuckign aids
2017-07-22T05:52:23 < dongs> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=876963#p876963 ahahah fucking hilarious
2017-07-22T05:52:28 < dongs> an environment variable
2017-07-22T05:52:33 < dongs> what the FUCK GUYS
2017-07-22T05:53:39 < dongs> why do i have to google for 20 mins to find this crap
2017-07-22T05:53:58 < dongs> every fucking leeter-than-you lunix veteran just tells to search the mailing lists or some otehr retarded shit
2017-07-22T05:54:09 < dongs> if youre gonna waste 10 fuckign seconds to post a reply, why not post a fucking ANSWER
2017-07-22T05:54:12 < dongs> typical lunix faggotry
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2017-07-22T05:54:36 < jadew> teach a man to search for linux answers
2017-07-22T05:57:00 < dongs> the fuck does that even mean
2017-07-22T05:57:08 < jadew> "teach a man to fish"
2017-07-22T05:57:10 < dongs> the only lunix answer is "shift-delete"
2017-07-22T05:58:34 < jadew> I remember maybe 10 years ago when I started backing up my xorg.conf file and writing down the steps I took to make it work
2017-07-22T05:58:45 < jadew> only to find out that on the next install the old config didn't work
2017-07-22T05:58:49 < jadew> and neither did those steps
2017-07-22T06:00:56 < dongs> donno why you even bothered running lunix on anyher other than a 80x25 terminal
2017-07-22T06:01:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/HS3u59n.png the only way to use lunix
2017-07-22T06:01:58 < dongs> successfully
2017-07-22T06:02:05 < dongs> when its in a VM and in text mode
2017-07-22T06:04:44 < jadew> night o/
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2017-07-22T06:33:16 < dongs> attn R2PRO https://www.humblebundle.com/store/shadow-warrior-special-edition
2017-07-22T06:34:18 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50Aag0J0Qe4
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2017-07-22T07:37:15 < englishman> lol, a dvd
2017-07-22T07:52:50 < dongs> https://twitter.com/john_lam/status/888442492051259392
2017-07-22T07:55:49 < Thorn> >100pcs STM8S003F3P6 Value line US $0.22 / piece
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2017-07-22T08:00:10 < englishman> yep
2017-07-22T08:00:14 < englishman> <3 stm8
2017-07-22T08:00:56 < englishman> i used a stm8 today to pull 3 lines high
2017-07-22T08:01:03 < englishman> because its nearly as easy as putting pullups
2017-07-22T08:01:11 < englishman> but you can change it later without soldering
2017-07-22T08:01:29 < Thorn> are there free compilers
2017-07-22T08:01:35 < englishman> yes
2017-07-22T08:01:38 < englishman> pro one too
2017-07-22T08:01:41 < englishman> no gcc reqired
2017-07-22T08:01:45 < englishman> no makefiles in sight
2017-07-22T08:01:55 < Thorn> do they run on macos?
2017-07-22T08:01:58 < englishman> and pro debugger too
2017-07-22T08:02:00 < englishman> lol who cares
2017-07-22T08:02:05 < Thorn> I do
2017-07-22T08:02:15 < Thorn> I do my stm32 dev on one
2017-07-22T08:02:21 < englishman> mac os runs fine in vm on windows desktop
2017-07-22T08:02:56 < englishman> well your choice of OS prevents you from using pro dev tools
2017-07-22T08:09:30 < englishman> ide http://www.st.com/en/development-tools/stvd-stm8.html
2017-07-22T08:09:35  * englishman compiler http://www.cosmic-software.com/download.php#stm8
2017-07-22T08:10:50 < Thorn> j-link tools run on macos
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2017-07-22T08:47:21 < ohsix> put my magnetic base light on the cordless drill and it was fun
2017-07-22T08:49:15 < ohsix> it spins around like a vehicle strobe
2017-07-22T08:49:55 < ohsix> Thorn: sdcc can du it
2017-07-22T08:50:20 < ohsix> sdcc sucks but stm8 kind of sucks, everything sucks down there; escape to assembly for important stuff
2017-07-22T08:50:58 < ohsix> no open source debugger support tho, that's why i haven't touched the ones i got
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2017-07-22T09:08:21 < Thorn> >stm8 kind of sucks
2017-07-22T09:08:23 < Thorn> y
2017-07-22T09:09:28 < ohsix> gotta have a low end
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2017-07-22T09:14:34 < dongs> nobody said that
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2017-07-22T09:17:35 < ohsix> spoiled by shit
2017-07-22T09:17:55 < ohsix> love to see those stc microcontrollers & other really low end 8 bit doing something cool like run a quadcopter
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2017-07-22T09:18:23 < crt> identify rapescene
2017-07-22T09:18:34 < ohsix> +18 minutes
2017-07-22T09:18:36 < ohsix> identify film
2017-07-22T09:19:01 < crt> ohsix
2017-07-22T09:19:08 < crt> where can i buy my litz wire
2017-07-22T09:19:19 < dongs> [GOOGLING. PLEASE WAIT]
2017-07-22T09:19:28 < ohsix> dunno a chinese-y place but i've got a few catalogs of wire suppliers that will do it
2017-07-22T09:19:33 < dongs> need to close some tabs first
2017-07-22T09:19:34 < dongs> over 1000 open
2017-07-22T09:19:40 < crt> sup mr d
2017-07-22T09:19:44 < dongs> dicking
2017-07-22T09:19:48 < crt> pumps? innovation?
2017-07-22T09:19:52 < crt> neat
2017-07-22T09:19:53 < dongs> loading up dicknplace, same ol shit
2017-07-22T09:20:00 < crt> good for a giggle
2017-07-22T09:20:08 < crt> i have a day off tomorrow
2017-07-22T09:20:11 < dongs> i think before i fire it up im gonna take a dump
2017-07-22T09:20:19 < crt> great plan
2017-07-22T09:20:20 < dongs> and dedicate it to the big oh-six
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2017-07-22T09:20:35 < crt> is that what you named the sewer?
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2017-07-22T09:21:24 < crt> peter
2017-07-22T09:21:33 < crt> have you returned for me?
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2017-07-22T09:27:28 < ohsix> only realized recently that there's a weed shop here that's a pun on putting your mouth on an anus
2017-07-22T09:28:03 < ohsix> which is great!
2017-07-22T09:29:29 < ohsix> crt: there's a legit use for litz wire transformers so you can get some shit from the people that make those too
2017-07-22T09:30:39 < ohsix> the book i found today probably talks about legit uses of litz wire in rf
2017-07-22T09:31:24 < ohsix> what do you need it for? can't think of any repairs aside from silly audiophile stuff
2017-07-22T09:32:38 < ohsix> 20 meters for 6$ on aliexpress
2017-07-22T09:33:07 < crt> some time of jewish purge ohsix
2017-07-22T09:33:07 < crt> no
2017-07-22T09:33:18 < crt> magnetics for a switching power supply
2017-07-22T09:33:48 < ohsix> how many watts is it, does it use like a 2mhz switching freq or something?
2017-07-22T09:34:04 < crt> 1000
2017-07-22T09:35:11 < crt> LLC converter with PFC
2017-07-22T09:35:31 < ohsix> nice
2017-07-22T09:35:49 < dongs> on the scale of "1" to "chatting with ohsix" how bored are you crt
2017-07-22T09:35:55 < ohsix> what is it in
2017-07-22T09:36:07 < crt> lol dongs
2017-07-22T09:36:23 < crt> pretty bored
2017-07-22T09:36:51 < crt> if i order my litz wire from china will it be made of string?
2017-07-22T09:37:04 < ohsix> partially
2017-07-22T09:37:30 < dongs> i dotn feel ilek googling what litz wire is
2017-07-22T09:39:34 < boB_K7IQ> I just received some Litz wire from China.  Seems fine
2017-07-22T09:39:50 < dongs> i must be missing out
2017-07-22T09:39:55 < crt> bob link?
2017-07-22T09:39:57 < dongs> is it stm32 related?
2017-07-22T09:40:02 < crt> sure
2017-07-22T09:40:03 < boB_K7IQ> Although usually Litz wire isn't REAL woven Litz wire.  Just lots of twisted wire
2017-07-22T09:40:08 < crt> stm32 controlled inverter
2017-07-22T09:40:16 < boB_K7IQ> You bet it's related.
2017-07-22T09:40:21 < boB_K7IQ> Yep, same here
2017-07-22T09:40:35 < boB_K7IQ> STM32F443
2017-07-22T09:40:44 < crt> ti dsps are usually the goto for digital power control but hey
2017-07-22T09:41:49 < crt> if i want to do digital control i'll have to autism
2017-07-22T09:41:51 < dongs> os 443 the one wiht fast timers
2017-07-22T09:41:59 < dongs> os=is
2017-07-22T09:42:08 < boB_K7IQ> never as fast as I would like
2017-07-22T09:42:23 < crt> faster than a boy scout over his sister
2017-07-22T09:42:24 < boB_K7IQ> one bank is 45 MHz in and the other is 90 MHz in with 180 MHz main clock
2017-07-22T09:42:38 < Thorn> there is no f443
2017-07-22T09:42:47 < dongs> there is
2017-07-22T09:43:07 < boB_K7IQ> I would rather they all be 180 MHz in so I can get the best resolution at lower frequencies
2017-07-22T09:43:09 < crt> hi thron
2017-07-22T09:43:22 < Thorn> maybe f446?
2017-07-22T09:43:41 < boB_K7IQ> Will have to look at the 446 then
2017-07-22T09:44:14 < boB_K7IQ> If it was the same pinout...  I was looking at the HiRes PWM (200 or 300 ps) 33x version
2017-07-22T09:44:26 < boB_K7IQ> some reason I changed away
2017-07-22T09:44:53 < boB_K7IQ> One was that I found the f443 which I really liked with lots of relevant features
2017-07-22T09:49:47 < Thorn> what output resistance do you need for the 12-bit adc in stm32? will I need an amplifier for a 1MΩ LDR in a divider with a 100KΩ?
2017-07-22T09:55:36 < boB_K7IQ> Buffer amp maybe
2017-07-22T09:56:14 < crt> classic
2017-07-22T09:58:19 < dongs> real prop chats
2017-07-22T09:58:22 < dongs> pro, evn
2017-07-22T09:58:28 < qyx> there are some equations
2017-07-22T09:58:45 < qyx> and a 50 pages long app note "optimizing stm32 adc performance" or something like that
2017-07-22T09:59:53 < qyx> probably a cap to ground and longer sampling time
2017-07-22T10:00:19 < qyx> if it doesn't have to be fast
2017-07-22T10:01:28 < Thorn> I've been thinking about a cap too
2017-07-22T10:02:36 < ohsix> current boner noise
2017-07-22T10:02:49 < dongs> i've bene thinking of several caps
2017-07-22T10:02:54 < dongs> they have letters on them
2017-07-22T10:03:04 < dongs> "o", "h", "s",... etc
2017-07-22T10:04:06 < crt> lol
2017-07-22T10:04:46 < ohsix> must be smooth
2017-07-22T10:06:31 < ohsix> smooth all over
2017-07-22T10:07:26 < ohsix> http://www.wipp.energy.gov/picsprog/articles/WIPP%20Exhibit%20Message%20to%2012,000%20A_D_files/dead01.gif
2017-07-22T10:22:00 < ohsix> har upgrdman posted video
2017-07-22T10:22:05 < ohsix> at the perfect time
2017-07-22T10:27:00 < crt> what
2017-07-22T10:27:21 < ohsix> his typing sounds like movie foley with tha tdumb keyboard
2017-07-22T10:27:30 < crt> the fuck are u on
2017-07-22T10:28:00 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hooo9Ro06Bs
2017-07-22T10:28:34 < ohsix> hooooooooooooooooo
2017-07-22T10:30:47 < boB_K7IQ> Nice !
2017-07-22T10:31:12 < dongs> watching dickplace run
2017-07-22T10:33:10 < ohsix> lots of ncie stuff in telemetryviewer update
2017-07-22T10:35:22 < ohsix> dang he's got almost 110k views on a 'set up a raspberry pi web server with your own .com using google domains' vidya
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2017-07-22T10:37:31 < ohsix> hope he doesn't forget us when he's famous
2017-07-22T10:38:18 < crt> ohsix aren't you on eev-youtube
2017-07-22T10:42:25 < crt> PeterM: are you back
2017-07-22T10:42:56 < crt> r2
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2017-07-22T10:56:06 < dongs> < dongs> attn R2PRO https://www.humblebundle.com/store/shadow-warrior-special-edition
2017-07-22T10:58:35 < crt> BUILD
2017-07-22T10:59:16 < crt> the build engine
2017-07-22T10:59:55 < dongs> wat
2017-07-22T11:00:01 < crt> shadow warrior
2017-07-22T11:00:26 < crt> the old dos fps
2017-07-22T11:00:52 < LOMAS> I am getting problem debugging. The arm-non-eabi-gdb.exe stops working.
2017-07-22T11:00:52 < dongs> wehre does it say taht
2017-07-22T11:00:58 < dongs> build was like ancient duke3d engine
2017-07-22T11:01:07 < crt> written by the terry davis of 3d engines
2017-07-22T11:01:19 < crt> yeah shadown warrior used it to
2017-07-22T11:01:21 < dongs> LOMAS: install keil
2017-07-22T11:01:52 < LOMAS> dongs, thinking to complete a project with free tools
2017-07-22T11:02:28 < Thorn> LOMAS: does tr crash? or hang when you run or continue?
2017-07-22T11:02:47 < Thorn> *it
2017-07-22T11:03:09 < LOMAS> The whole IDE won't crash but debug wont respond
2017-07-22T11:03:14 < dongs> LOMAS: i once thought to complete a project with free PCB software (eagle back before they turned fully jewish)
2017-07-22T11:03:25 < dongs> LOMAS: 24 hours later i purchased diptrace license
2017-07-22T11:03:53 < Thorn> have you tried running it from command line?
2017-07-22T11:04:32 < LOMAS> Thorn, no, I have no idea using command line
2017-07-22T11:05:01 < LOMAS> I am using windows now, and the IDE is system workbench STM32.
2017-07-22T11:05:28 < dongs> doesnt that supposedly bundle everything that it needs to work???
2017-07-22T11:05:32 < dongs> why would it NOT work suddenly?
2017-07-22T11:05:50 < LOMAS> and when I comment out some part of my code, it runs normally
2017-07-22T11:06:03 < dongs> how do you comment it out
2017-07-22T11:06:35 < Thorn> what part is it? enter_stop_mode() or remap_swd_pins()?
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2017-07-22T11:07:07 < LOMAS> Error is exactly like this : https://community.nxp.com/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-480473-19805/kds.png
2017-07-22T11:07:43 < LOMAS> Thorn, I have not called these functions
2017-07-22T11:07:52 < Thorn> what version of the toolchain are you using?
2017-07-22T11:07:53 < qyx> looks like java on a web
2017-07-22T11:10:08 < LOMAS> : 2.0.0.201705091103
2017-07-22T11:16:05 < Thorn> the toolchain should be version 6 or 5.something, gdb should be version 7.something
2017-07-22T11:16:12 < Thorn> you could try upgrading it if it's not the latest
2017-07-22T11:16:15 < Thorn> https://psv4.userapi.com/c816321/u5057566/docs/9382d44685b7/catism.gif
2017-07-22T11:16:26 < dongs> 404
2017-07-22T11:17:41 < LOMAS> it shows the version 4.0.4
2017-07-22T11:17:50 < LOMAS> no no 4.0.9
2017-07-22T11:18:06 < LOMAS> Gcc version 4.9.2
2017-07-22T11:18:32 < Thorn> this is fkn OLD
2017-07-22T11:18:36 < dongs> yeah but
2017-07-22T11:18:37 < dongs> thorn
2017-07-22T11:18:39 < dongs> its a package
2017-07-22T11:18:42 < dongs> of sw4stm32
2017-07-22T11:18:45 < dongs> it should FUCKING WORK
2017-07-22T11:18:51 < dongs> gotta figure out waht hte acutal problem is
2017-07-22T11:18:57 < Thorn> >arm-none-eabi-gcc (GNU Tools for ARM Embedded Processors 6-2017-q1-update) 6.3.1 20170215 (release) [ARM/embedded-6-branch revision 245512]
2017-07-22T11:18:58 < LOMAS> yeah, its the package of STM32
2017-07-22T11:19:02 < Thorn> ^ what I have
2017-07-22T11:19:09 < crt> gnu
2017-07-22T11:19:16 < dongs> GNU/Troll
2017-07-22T11:19:18 < crt> there is the problem
2017-07-22T11:20:22 < crt> ty
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2017-07-22T11:21:24 < Thorn> well sounds like it doesn't so maybe updating the toolchain may fix it
2017-07-22T11:21:46 < LOMAS> okay
2017-07-22T11:22:05 < LOMAS> so I am still confused about the path arm gcc resides on windows
2017-07-22T11:23:08 < LOMAS> what is the path the arm toolchain resides at windows ?
2017-07-22T11:25:22 < dongs> whatever systemworkbench installed it in
2017-07-22T11:27:26 < Thorn> do a search for arm-none-eabi-gcc.exe
2017-07-22T11:34:48 < dongs> opensores dudes have no talent for naming anything. back in the day when gnome and gayde were fighting for the most 10 users that'd use them, its like they were playing  game who can come up with the most ridiculous sounding name that incoroprated K or G in it somewhere. so shit like Gnumeric, GIMP, Girl, Gedit (lol), etc. K-fags had their own collection of Krap-apps, like Kate, Kaffeine, JuK, Konsole (how clever huhuh???) and of couse shit like Kontact and LoKalize.
2017-07-22T11:35:14 < dongs> windows 10 for life
2017-07-22T11:35:44 < dongs> you see teh name "windows 10" and immediately you think "professional"
2017-07-22T11:35:57 < dongs> you see shit like "LoKalize" and you want ot stab the faggot who came up with that shit
2017-07-22T11:36:23 < dongs> also all tehse wordpuns are useless in actual face to face conversation
2017-07-22T11:36:29 < dongs> ahem, i mean Konversation
2017-07-22T11:36:39 < dongs> so all lunix fags never fucking leave theeir basements
2017-07-22T11:37:29 < Thorn> why is Gedit so lol? because it sounds like "get it"?
2017-07-22T11:38:37 < Steffanx> ^ couldnt care less.
2017-07-22T11:39:48 < dongs> nice rageout, stfn
2017-07-22T11:40:04 < dongs> clearly you cared enough to post i couldn't care message :p
2017-07-22T11:40:44 < Steffanx> To show some care: The main issue is not hte naming mr dongs. The main issue is the different desktop environments semi-incompatible iwth eachother
2017-07-22T11:40:58 < dongs> no, you don't say
2017-07-22T11:41:00 < Steffanx> using the G/K stuff you can at least know what desktop environment it needs.
2017-07-22T11:41:16 < dongs> the problem is there are literally 20 shitty text editors that are all clones of notepad.exe
2017-07-22T11:41:25 < Steffanx> yes, but no.
2017-07-22T11:41:28 < dongs> imagine if those 20 shitty ones combined to make something that works
2017-07-22T11:41:43 < qyx> does notepad has highlighting in 2017?
2017-07-22T11:41:49 < qyx> *have
2017-07-22T11:41:49 < Steffanx> lol.
2017-07-22T11:41:55 < dongs> highlighting of what?
2017-07-22T11:42:02 < qyx> syntax highlighting
2017-07-22T11:42:10 < Steffanx> It does, but it's black only
2017-07-22T11:42:11 < qyx> or proper indentation
2017-07-22T11:42:15 < dongs> why would you need highlighting of something that you dont use for editing code??????????????
2017-07-22T11:42:38 < qyx> idk dongs
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2017-07-22T11:43:20 < qyx> also, I hope that ctrl+s now works in the notepad
2017-07-22T11:43:35 < qyx> that was the feature I liked the most
2017-07-22T11:44:16 < dongs> it has always worked?
2017-07-22T11:44:17 < Steffanx> damnit, we fell for dongs triggering.
2017-07-22T11:44:38 < qyx> and now I am happy that in ms they finally realized that window border snapping is a good thing
2017-07-22T11:44:41 < dongs> not that i'd ever use it, because alt-f-s is faster and is the way to save on every windows app in the last 2+ decades
2017-07-22T11:44:45 < qyx> in like 2015
2017-07-22T11:44:59 < dongs> qyx, what the fuck is window border snapping
2017-07-22T11:45:18 < qyx> snap window border to the screen border or other windows
2017-07-22T11:45:18 < Thorn> http://www.pnotepad.org/
2017-07-22T11:45:22 < Thorn> /thread
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2017-07-22T11:45:46 < dongs> trash
2017-07-22T11:45:50 < Steffanx> ^
2017-07-22T11:46:17 < Steffanx> Why would you use something htat is not visual studio for C# anyway :P
2017-07-22T11:46:32 < dongs> maybe cuz you're compiling with MONO.exe
2017-07-22T11:46:35 < dongs> like a fucking faggot
2017-07-22T11:46:41 < dongs> or too cheap to download vs community edition
2017-07-22T11:46:45 < dongs> bceause micro$oft
2017-07-22T11:46:46 < dongs> or wahtever.
2017-07-22T11:47:16 < qyx> dongs: https://www.tekrevue.com/tip/how-to-disable-snap-assist-windows-10/
2017-07-22T11:48:39 < Steffanx> Who needs that? Full screen only is the way to go on your 4k screen.
2017-07-22T11:49:10 < qyx> thats true
2017-07-22T11:49:25 < dongs> qyx, this is the old ease of access setting, 'prevent windows from being automatically arranged when moved to teh edge of screen"
2017-07-22T11:49:31 < dongs> first thing i fucking turn off on any install, its complete aids
2017-07-22T11:49:54 < qyx> now I h ope that in next versions they disable desktop icons by default
2017-07-22T11:49:55 < dongs> it also has shit like hold-titlebar-and-shake shit to fuck your z-order, auto-half-maximize when windows are dragged near edges, etc
2017-07-22T11:49:57 < qyx> such an evil creation
2017-07-22T11:50:38 < dongs> yeah, saving/allowing shit on 'desktop' is fuckign retarded
2017-07-22T11:50:47 < dongs> i see most peoples pcs and there slike 12304871239482374897 shits on desktop
2017-07-22T11:50:55 < dongs> makes me wanna stab
2017-07-22T11:51:01 < qyx> as if you ever see the desktop with your full screen apps on a 4K desktop
2017-07-22T11:51:08 < qyx> *screen
2017-07-22T11:51:40 < Steffanx> win+d .. i press that sometimes.
2017-07-22T11:56:09 < dongs> i finally found how to disable that
2017-07-22T11:56:13 < dongs> so im good now
2017-07-22T11:56:34 < Steffanx> Autism to the max right?
2017-07-22T11:56:53 < dongs> if you've ever pressed win-d after carefully setting up z-order for several weeks on your desktop, you;d feel my rage
2017-07-22T12:02:18 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCoQwZ9BQ9Q what hte hell is this
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2017-07-22T12:12:17 < crt> let's find it out
2017-07-22T12:12:22 < dongs> lets not
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2017-07-22T16:10:19 < Steffanx> ssht
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2017-07-22T16:13:49 < jpa-> hmph, i'm somewhat disillusioned with libopencm3; its usb api is nice enough, but the rest is kind of useless and the register definitions are worse than st's own
2017-07-22T16:14:09 < jpa-> i wonder if i should just do a crazy mix of using libopencm3 only for usb and stm32fxxx.h for the rest
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2017-07-22T16:28:37 < Steffanx> Why are the register definitions worse? Because non-struct style?
2017-07-22T16:30:04 < Getty> Someone needs a stack of Yamaha YGV610B-F? ;)
2017-07-22T16:31:31 < Steffanx> why would i want that?
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2017-07-22T16:34:02 < Getty> just asking, throwing it away else
2017-07-22T16:34:54 < Steffanx> why you have bar lcd controllers?
2017-07-22T16:35:02 < Getty> my dad had them
2017-07-22T16:35:11 < Getty> now he is dead, and i have to go through all the shit and decide what i keep or not
2017-07-22T16:35:29 < jpa-> Steffanx: because confusing inconsistencies
2017-07-22T16:35:53 < Steffanx> achso, Getty
2017-07-22T16:36:35 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/UiZ/plain   like this, some values don't need a shift, others need a shift and some are just missing
2017-07-22T16:36:58 < jpa-> while st's own headers are crazy in that they all need the shift, atleast it is consistent
2017-07-22T16:38:50 < Steffanx> hehe, best of it all seems to be that is inconsistent between families
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2017-07-22T16:39:07 < Steffanx> l1 does seem to need the shift while f0 does not
2017-07-22T16:39:19 < Getty> what bothers me most is the huge stack of small parts i have to drop out, cause no one can find out what they are
2017-07-22T16:39:45 < Getty> but they are probably anyway just worth some cents (in new)
2017-07-22T16:40:32 < Steffanx> another reason why i dont keep stacks.. much. No need to sort out my own crap :P
2017-07-22T16:40:48 < Getty> yeah, i am somehow the same, or i was, now i got the stacks 8-) lol
2017-07-22T16:41:02 < Getty> i kept at least his wall of plasticcases
2017-07-22T16:41:06 < Getty> those are all with naming
2017-07-22T16:42:11 < Steffanx> and then the labeling is wrong.
2017-07-22T16:42:23 < Getty> hahaha, we will see who will find out ;)
2017-07-22T16:42:30 < Getty> i really want to use all those to start a hackspace here
2017-07-22T16:42:46 < Getty> many cases ARE unlabelled, but at least contain one part only
2017-07-22T16:42:57 < Getty> while i was cleaning up his workspaces there were TONS of boxes with 3-4 different parts in it
2017-07-22T16:43:08 < Getty> some still packaged in little plastic, some open
2017-07-22T16:43:22 < Getty> some cases had remainder of glue in it, and still some electronic parts
2017-07-22T16:43:25 < Getty> its a gigantic mess
2017-07-22T16:43:43 < Steffanx> i can understand your "frustration" jpa-. better visit #libopencm3 :P
2017-07-22T16:45:26 < jpa-> Steffanx: i'm there; but i'm too lazy to actually try to improve it
2017-07-22T16:45:38 < jpa-> might make more sense for them to generate headers from svd files or something
2017-07-22T16:46:12 < Getty> already seeing the guy of a non-STM32 series complaining about inconsistence on his side of things ;)
2017-07-22T16:48:29 < Steffanx> its not lazy, its not being lack if interest jpa- ;)
2017-07-22T16:53:01 < Steffanx> -being
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2017-07-22T16:56:54 < dongs>  < Getty> Someone needs a stack of Yamaha YGV610B-F? ;)
2017-07-22T16:57:00 < dongs> you could probly make some nice led arrays with those
2017-07-22T16:58:09 < Getty> what you mean? i need to buy 640x480 displays to make them work ;)
2017-07-22T16:58:54 < dongs> nah
2017-07-22T16:59:05 < Getty> what else i could attach?
2017-07-22T17:04:24 < dongs> WS2812
2017-07-22T17:04:49 < dongs> but yeah, it has analog RGB outputs
2017-07-22T17:04:58 < dongs> so you can directly stick it to an ancient CRT
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2017-07-22T17:12:17 < dongs> you could probly do something with FSMC to address it
2017-07-22T17:12:22 < dongs> and use analog shits to light up a crt
2017-07-22T17:12:32 < dongs> an ohsix-style autistic project for sure
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2017-07-22T17:42:50 < Laurenceb_> hurry, limited time remaining, $1,797 for the Infowars Life Select one-year food supply,what are you waiting for?
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2017-07-22T17:45:21 < englishman> dongs http://i.imgur.com/R7xHoLX.png
2017-07-22T17:45:26 < englishman> finally got those dixel panels done
2017-07-22T17:45:32 < englishman> at 5-12V input
2017-07-22T17:45:47 < englishman> without 120C die temp
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2017-07-22T17:48:11 < englishman> USBC doesnt work for some reason, but i cant see underneath this dumb connector to see if it was soldered on properly
2017-07-22T17:48:18 < englishman> used UTC2000 before?
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2017-07-22T18:19:00 < Thorn> modbus shit on aliexpress https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Digital-input-and-output-modules-switch-module-isolated-8DI-8DO-RS485-MODBUS-communications/2028359405.html
2017-07-22T18:24:55 < Steffanx> ok...
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2017-07-22T20:04:13 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO_zXuOQy6A
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2017-07-22T20:05:49 < Thorn> that is a lot of cables
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2017-07-22T20:06:41 < Steffanx> Not really what i expected..
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2017-07-22T20:12:23 < Thorn> sorry Mr. Steffanx here are the cats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3O5J_S9ro
2017-07-22T20:12:46 < Steffanx> i meant how that thing fires.
2017-07-22T20:12:48 < Steffanx> and that too.
2017-07-22T20:25:14 < Steffanx> I love you R2COM.
2017-07-22T20:49:57 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3510958/How-viral-fame-killed-father-left-foster-care-friendless-Girl-meme-bullying-4chan-members-age-11-reveals-horrific-toll-Internet-family-six-years-later.html
2017-07-22T20:55:55 < Rob235> should I just use whatever gauge wire is coming out of the steppers? they are 1.7A but only 26awg
2017-07-22T20:56:32 < branjb> 1.7A per phase or total
2017-07-22T20:56:53 < Rob235> per phase
2017-07-22T20:57:09 < branjb> what's the worst that could happen?
2017-07-22T20:57:13 < Rob235> I dont know
2017-07-22T21:00:41 < Laurenceb_> http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/000/130/disaster-girl.jpg
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2017-07-22T21:32:39 < Thorn> please recommend a buck regulator, I max  >= 200mA, Vin max >= 24...30V, Vout includes 5V, small (SOT23 ideally), cheap and available everywhere
2017-07-22T21:32:55 < Thorn> something like MAX1837 but 5 times cheaper
2017-07-22T21:36:09 < Steffanx> I love you R2COM.
2017-07-22T21:37:00 < Steffanx> nope
2017-07-22T21:41:44 < Thorn> how about non-western and $0.3 http://www.aosmd.com/res/data_sheets/aoz1083ci.pdf
2017-07-22T21:42:51 < jpa-> uh, does bus transfer size matter for spi on stm32f0?
2017-07-22T21:43:10 < jpa-> it has the config register for data size but seems i need to access the register as byte also
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2017-07-22T21:44:04 < Thorn> jpa-: having wasted 2 or 3 days on it, IT FUCKING DOES
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2017-07-22T21:45:12 < jpa-> haha, i only wasted an hour :D
2017-07-22T21:45:16 < Thorn> if you set transfer size to <= 8 bit and do spi->DR = foo; (32-bit or 16-bit access) it will transfer 2 frames
2017-07-22T21:45:37 < Steffanx> ^ that indeed.
2017-07-22T21:45:38 < Thorn> first the LSByte
2017-07-22T21:46:32 < Steffanx> How is that not common knowledge by now jpa-? You dissappoint me.
2017-07-22T21:46:51 < Steffanx> Will tell Tectu once he is back on earth
2017-07-22T21:49:08 < jpa-> Steffanx: i faintly remembered hearing about it, that's why i only spent an hour :P
2017-07-22T21:50:04 < Thorn> there is also the rx fifo threshold bit which you need to toggle if you switch between "packing" mode (one AHB transfer <-> 2 spi transfers) and normal (same as F1/F4) mode
2017-07-22T21:50:17 < Thorn> so that you can use the RXNE flag/interrupt
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2017-07-22T22:31:47 < invzim> I think  I need a silicone banana grabber
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2017-07-22T22:38:32 < jpa-> invzim: is that an euphemism for fleshlight?
2017-07-22T22:40:14 < invzim> that was longer than I expected, quiet here tonight :)
2017-07-22T22:40:23 < invzim> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2pcs-1000mm-multimeter-pen-extension-test-hook-clip-with-4mm-banana-plug-1-0-metre-16/32523458552.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.74.Orbb2C&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10065_10151_10068_10171_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10137_10111_10060_10112_10113_10155_10114_10154_438_10056_10055_10054_10310_10182_10059_100031_10099_10078_10079_10103_10073_10102_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051,searchweb201603_1,pp
2017-07-22T22:40:39 < invzim> should be useful both for multimeter and power
2017-07-22T22:41:22 < Thorn> you can delete everything after the ? in aliexpress links x_x
2017-07-22T22:41:54 < invzim> ah
2017-07-22T22:42:30 < Thorn> including the ?
2017-07-22T22:43:28 < invzim> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2pcs-1000mm-multimeter-pen-extension-test-hook-clip-with-4mm-banana-plug-1-0-metre-16/32523458552.html
2017-07-22T22:43:35 < invzim> :)
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2017-07-22T22:51:34 < Steffanx> That last one broke it. Doesnt work. requires me to log in
2017-07-22T22:51:57 < Steffanx> oh the other one too now. wtf
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2017-07-22T23:40:31 < Thorn> found R2COM https://www.instagram.com/p/BW2ptyeA6K3/
2017-07-22T23:53:04 < Steffanx> hah.
2017-07-22T23:57:50 < Laurenceb_> LGBTQQIAAP
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2017-07-23T00:03:39 < Thorn> aoz1280
2017-07-23T00:18:08 < kakimir> hello pilots
2017-07-23T00:18:13 < kakimir> did flyings today
2017-07-23T00:18:35 < kakimir> today I heard I don't need 50hours of flight but only 15
2017-07-23T00:18:40 < tpw_rules> inb4 911
2017-07-23T00:18:47 < kakimir> I have closer to 25hours
2017-07-23T00:18:59 < kakimir> and 26flights
2017-07-23T00:20:00 < kakimir> I need at least 50flights and 30 of them with instructor
2017-07-23T00:20:06 < kakimir> at least 10 solo
2017-07-23T00:20:31 < kakimir> so my strategy has been wrong all along
2017-07-23T00:20:42 < kakimir> to force max flight hours all the time
2017-07-23T00:21:25 < kakimir> so tommorrow I hope to quicky get them 4flights to make it into 30
2017-07-23T00:23:19 < kakimir> means solo
2017-07-23T00:23:37 < kakimir> then maximum flights of 10 flights per day
2017-07-23T00:24:19 < kakimir> meaning tuesday 50flights and wednesday inspection flight
2017-07-23T00:35:23 < kakimir> greit
2017-07-23T00:35:28 < kakimir> good night
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2017-07-23T02:41:39 < dongs> englishman: lole. nice AMD card bro
2017-07-23T02:42:05 < dongs> o w8 no, may be some SLI gayvidia?
2017-07-23T02:44:05 < englishman> amd wat
2017-07-23T02:44:11 < englishman> sli wat
2017-07-23T02:44:15 < dongs> how do you get 6outputs from gayvidia
2017-07-23T02:44:27 < dongs> MST hubs or somesthin?
2017-07-23T02:45:16 < englishman> one gaymer card and one nvs510
2017-07-23T02:45:18 < englishman> still room for a 7th just have to assemble that board
2017-07-23T02:45:31 < dongs> neat
2017-07-23T02:50:41 < englishman> yeah works great
2017-07-23T02:50:52 < englishman> did you notice those ipad screens have severe burnin
2017-07-23T02:53:07 < dongs> y ou mean if youleave same shit on them for a while?
2017-07-23T02:53:12 < englishman> yea
2017-07-23T02:57:12 < dongs> only happens wiht lunix desktops
2017-07-23T02:57:33 < dongs> i gotta admit tho fucking retarded windows 8/10 'lock' screen is retarded
2017-07-23T02:57:39 < dongs> non-moving watch face, waht
2017-07-23T02:57:48 < dongs> like, why even bother to screensave
2017-07-23T02:58:16 < dongs> i have some shit that when runs makes machine not-idle, so even if I lock it, dpms screensaver never kicks in.
2017-07-23T02:58:31 < dongs> so the fucking thing leaves teh shitty fucking random bing picture and clock always on-screen
2017-07-23T03:00:18 < karlp> Thorn: if you don't need it to be buck, tps709?
2017-07-23T03:02:15 < karlp> jpa-: general guideline is no shift arg for single bit fields.
2017-07-23T03:02:32 < karlp> but yes, there's definitely inconsistences.
2017-07-23T03:03:15 < karlp> I tried to do one way, others had done otherse, I don't even remember anymore what's the majority.  my goal was ideally that user side code wouldn't need them, so user side code would always look nice.
2017-07-23T03:04:02 < karlp> itt's a very slim layer too, you don't get an awful lot of handholding, you just get less ALL_CAPS_ == RESET shit.
2017-07-23T03:04:38 < karlp> the register definitions are all _meant_ to be [PERIPH]_[REG]_[FIELD_AS_IN_REFMAN] and everything else is a bug.
2017-07-23T03:21:57 < dongs> i do not understand the purpose of rewriting stm32fxx.h header files at ALL in libopenaidscm3
2017-07-23T03:22:05 < dongs> its like insane amount of work for zero benefit
2017-07-23T03:22:16 < dongs> i mean its obvious ST autogenerates those from those arm xsd files or wahtever
2017-07-23T03:22:35 < dongs> so why the fucking fuck woudl you wanna hand-rewrite that shit, introducing bugs etc
2017-07-23T03:24:37 < englishman> dongs, you ride bicycle right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btCRbeeD4rk
2017-07-23T03:39:04 < dongs> captions look ilke this
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2017-07-23T03:39:29 < dongs> is he beating him with a fucking shoe thing
2017-07-23T03:39:33 < dongs> wahtever the fuck it s called
2017-07-23T03:39:58 < dongs> shoehorn? holy shit, i never knew what its called
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2017-07-23T03:43:55 < Rob235> w00t finally ordered some shift registers, never used one before
2017-07-23T03:45:21 < Rob235> got some 595, 165, and 4051's
2017-07-23T03:47:38 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/9SqKc
2017-07-23T03:54:21 < dongs> nice arduino
2017-07-23T03:55:12 < Rob235> hah I guess mbed and arduino are similar enough
2017-07-23T03:58:29 < invzim> it's aliive http://www.kirurg.org/drop/irken/IMG_0703.JPG
2017-07-23T03:58:42 < invzim> http://www.kirurg.org/drop/irken/IMG_0675.JPG
2017-07-23T03:59:30 < englishman> nice!
2017-07-23T03:59:41 < Rob235> I gotta figure out this sd card shit
2017-07-23T04:01:15 < invzim> bringup not complete, but I managed to port most of the crucial code from the rpi version
2017-07-23T04:01:59 < invzim> usb dfu is not working for example, no idea why yet
2017-07-23T04:03:36 < branjb> Rob235 that's a nice ESD workbench there
2017-07-23T04:04:04 < Rob235> haha yea
2017-07-23T04:04:52 < Rob235> every precaution
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2017-07-23T05:09:35 < jadew> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/flashes/flashes-fun-interactive-led-lashes
2017-07-23T05:18:52 < jadew> https://www.banggood.com/Fashionable-Sparkle-Interactive-LED-Light-Up-Waterproof-Eyelashes-for-Party-Pub-Club-Bar-p-1170806.html?p=WL250420753620130
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2017-07-23T07:07:07 < ohsix> can someone beep dongs for the name of the lcd market webbersite
2017-07-23T07:08:48 < ohsix> found it, panelook
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2017-07-23T13:44:51 < invzim> hm, st is a bit vague on how it 'detect usb cable' with usb dfu
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2017-07-23T13:50:14 < invzim> OTG_FS_VBUS is actually pulled up to 3.3V, but maybe it needs to be 5V, if that is the magic pin at all
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2017-07-23T13:53:45 < jpa-> invzim: which cpu?
2017-07-23T13:54:00 < invzim> stm32f401RCT
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2017-07-23T13:54:08 < jpa-> 3.3V vs. 5V shouldn't matter, but the bootloader docs should detail pretty well what it needs
2017-07-23T13:55:01 < jpa-> stm32f4 usb bootloader works for me with just D- and D+ connected
2017-07-23T13:55:13 < jpa-> is your hse freq ok?
2017-07-23T13:55:20 < invzim> datasheet just refers to AN2606
2017-07-23T13:55:40 < jpa-> yeah, an2606 says d- and d+ is enough
2017-07-23T13:55:42 < invzim> 8mhz crystal, and main app uses that so I guess yes
2017-07-23T13:56:07 < jpa-> so what happens when you go to dfu mode? any messages in dmesg?
2017-07-23T13:56:21 < invzim> seems to be no activity on USB at all
2017-07-23T13:56:43 < invzim> havnen't done any usb in main app yet
2017-07-23T13:57:13 < invzim> does boot0 need to be permanently tied via jumper, or is a button on powerup ok?
2017-07-23T13:58:08 < jpa-> button on powerup is enough
2017-07-23T13:58:22 < jpa-> you also need to have boot1 state correct
2017-07-23T13:59:17 < invzim> aaah, motherF..  first iteration used stm32f411 which has no boot1
2017-07-23T13:59:19  * invzim palms
2017-07-23T14:00:47 < invzim> now it's floating on por
2017-07-23T14:02:37 < invzim> I'll try to budge a pulldown on it to see if it works
2017-07-23T14:03:47 < invzim> jpa-: thanks :)
2017-07-23T14:03:51 < jpa-> :)
2017-07-23T15:01:13 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/sinc.png    anyone good at filter calculations?
2017-07-23T15:01:42 < jpa-> somehow that they call it "sinc filter" seems like it would be e.g. FIR-filter with windowed sinc as the coefficients
2017-07-23T15:02:22 < kakimir> jpa-: laurenceb
2017-07-23T15:02:32 < jpa-> but from the transfer function, e.g. with OSR3 = 32 and OSR1 = 1, one gets (1-z^(-32))/(3*(1-z^-1))  which looks like just 32 samples summed together
2017-07-23T15:03:25 < jpa-> which would turn out to have a frequency response of sinc(f).. but that is certainly not what i first think when i hear "sinc filter", but is that common usage of the term?
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2017-07-23T15:53:39 < Steffanx> that last 3 is an error i guess jpa-? where 3 should be 32?
2017-07-23T15:53:54 < Steffanx> not that it helps me answer your question ,but .. :P
2017-07-23T15:56:35 < jpa-> err yeah
2017-07-23T15:56:44 < jpa-> divided by 32 so that the sum by 32 cancels out
2017-07-23T15:57:36 < jpa-> i guess with 3 times cascading it is a quite sensible filter
2017-07-23T15:57:51 < jpa-> and even wikipedia actually mentions it now that i knew what to look for   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinc_filter#Frequency-domain_sinc
2017-07-23T15:59:12 < jpa-> pretty sure now that it actually is   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascaded_integrator%E2%80%93comb_filter
2017-07-23T15:59:57 < jpa-> live and learn
2017-07-23T16:02:13 < Steffanx> ah indeed
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2017-07-23T16:32:12 < Steffanx> oh no another finlander.
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2017-07-23T17:58:21 < invzim> jpa-: yup, worked with pulling boot1 to gnd
2017-07-23T17:58:55 < invzim> and another lesson learned today - short usb cables that come with power banks may not have data lines connected, or some other funky stuff
2017-07-23T17:59:11 < invzim> mesured 3.3v on both dp and dm with it - with normal cable everything worked ok
2017-07-23T17:59:41 < Steffanx> lol invzim
2017-07-23T17:59:58 < Steffanx> been bitten by that too once.
2017-07-23T18:00:50 < invzim> but I don't get the 3.3v
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2017-07-23T20:16:16 < jpa-> invzim: the device side has 1.5kohm pull-up on D+; the cable probably has D+ and D- connected together (per the usb battery charging spec)
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2017-07-23T21:26:35 < invzim> allright, that would explain it
2017-07-23T21:26:46 < invzim> not really been down on layer1 of usb
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2017-07-23T22:47:20 < Steffanx> Was shopping @ arrow and suddenly thought about you englishman.. "Hmm, haven't heard mr englishman complain about ARROW for a while".
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2017-07-23T23:14:15 < englishman> also haven't ordered from them much, been great for my mental health
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2017-07-24T00:15:00 < jadew> awesome cover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ2Bf9-Y0jA
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2017-07-24T00:32:30 < ohsix> poop
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2017-07-24T01:31:01 < kakimir> yes
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2017-07-24T05:33:01 < crt> identify duck
2017-07-24T05:54:06 < crt> Steffanx: waffel?
2017-07-24T06:10:57 < upgrdman> so is there a decent way to debug usb in windows? like if the device enums but has a yellow triangle in device manager. guessing my endpoint config is fucked.
2017-07-24T06:12:30 < upgrdman> does windows have an equiv of dmesg?
2017-07-24T06:15:33 < ohsix> nope and nope
2017-07-24T06:15:47 < ohsix> you can go in the windows event viewer but that's about it
2017-07-24T06:16:05 < ohsix> best shot is probably wireshark and just looking at what the usb shit is doing directly
2017-07-24T06:16:18 < ohsix> yellow triangle can be anything
2017-07-24T06:16:32 < ohsix> generally 'device cannot start'
2017-07-24T06:20:01 < upgrdman> k will read up on wireshark usb capabilites
2017-07-24T06:20:04 < upgrdman> thx
2017-07-24T06:20:38 < emeryth> try USB device tree viewer, that may help you somewhat
2017-07-24T06:26:17 < upgrdman> k thx
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2017-07-24T06:58:27 < crt> fuck
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2017-07-24T07:34:00 < crt> GUIDE SHAFT
2017-07-24T07:38:01 < crt> its stiff
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2017-07-24T07:39:40 < upgrdman> cucked
2017-07-24T07:47:04 < ohsix> or just use a lunix
2017-07-24T07:47:14 < ohsix> can jump to windows after it sort of works
2017-07-24T07:47:42 < ohsix> there's some stuff in the wdk that can do usb tests but i doubt they'd help much for this sort of thing
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2017-07-24T08:23:57 < crt> today im fucking showing it
2017-07-24T08:39:00 < Thorn> iirc sometimes it does say something like "device descriptor request failed" and/or has an error code that can  be googled
2017-07-24T08:39:14 < Thorn> but generally it's less than helpful
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2017-07-24T09:13:03 < crt> if i wanted methamphetamine i would have asked for methamphetamine
2017-07-24T09:13:06 < crt> now fill 'er up
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2017-07-24T09:46:44 < Steffanx> Sometimes i get the idea you used it already mr crt
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2017-07-24T10:24:28 < crt> ty
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2017-07-24T10:30:41 < Steffanx> Rage quit?  :d
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2017-07-24T10:46:20 < Steffanx> Haha, a drone registration and theory test for drone flying. No more drones for laurenceb
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2017-07-24T10:47:47 < Steffanx> https://www.gov.uk/government/news/drones-to-be-registered-and-users-to-sit-safety-tests-under-new-government-rules
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2017-07-24T11:38:31 < kakimir> same thing in finland
2017-07-24T11:38:32 < PaulFertser> I'd like to see a practical exam too. Passed Tareq-style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsWIBlOs9cE
2017-07-24T11:39:58 < kakimir> over 900g needs to have registeration
2017-07-24T11:40:42 < kakimir> why are these all coming at same time in different countries?
2017-07-24T11:42:37 < PaulFertser> Globalisation leads to wider drone availability worldwide.
2017-07-24T11:43:38 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-24T11:43:42 < kakimir> and popularity
2017-07-24T11:46:21 < kakimir> over 900g anything that flies with motor
2017-07-24T11:46:33 < kakimir> includin planes
2017-07-24T11:47:18 < Thorn> I've come across people (it appears that it's mostly women and cops) that want all DIYers banned because "you don't know what they may build in their basement"
2017-07-24T11:48:15 < kakimir> what country?
2017-07-24T11:49:19 < Thorn> Russian speaking people on the internet definitely, not sure if English speaking too
2017-07-24T11:50:17 < Thorn> all it takes is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic that is large enough
2017-07-24T11:50:29 < kakimir> sure. dilemma of having skilled people
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2017-07-24T11:51:07 < crt> dad
2017-07-24T11:51:17 < kakimir> bastard
2017-07-24T11:52:44 < crt> dogs
2017-07-24T11:52:47 < crt> where is the brother of stm32
2017-07-24T11:52:56 < crt> dr peter
2017-07-24T11:54:11 < crt> and the pill press
2017-07-24T12:03:14 < crt> where is steffan
2017-07-24T12:03:19 < crt> i have a stroopwafel addiction
2017-07-24T12:07:01 < crt> im fucking pissed off
2017-07-24T12:07:13 < crt> for no particularly good reason either
2017-07-24T12:07:49 < crt> got beer
2017-07-24T12:07:57 < crt> in russia?
2017-07-24T12:08:09 < crt> you have a normal job hey?
2017-07-24T12:08:12 < crt> wish i fucking did
2017-07-24T12:08:40 < crt> fair enough
2017-07-24T12:08:45 < crt> same
2017-07-24T12:08:48 < crt> but meh
2017-07-24T12:10:40 < crt> yeah
2017-07-24T12:10:55 < crt> i'm too pissed off to think
2017-07-24T12:11:31 < crt> the dogs
2017-07-24T12:11:56 < crt> the dogs that bite
2017-07-24T12:12:47 < crt> stiff of it
2017-07-24T12:12:50 < crt> fuck the world
2017-07-24T12:12:52 < crt> gas the kikes
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2017-07-24T12:13:35 < crt> hmmph
2017-07-24T12:13:52 < crt> wish someone could pay me to circuit
2017-07-24T12:14:14 < crt> heh
2017-07-24T12:18:01 < crt> yeah
2017-07-24T12:18:07 < crt> had all that
2017-07-24T12:18:09 < crt> threw it in the bin
2017-07-24T12:20:03 < crt> you get that
2017-07-24T12:20:21 < crt> was dating but couldn't be fucked with the extra shit i had to put up with
2017-07-24T12:21:50 < crt> needs to be slammed
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2017-07-24T12:29:29 < crt> xox
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2017-07-24T12:51:18 < Steffanx> Dont rage crt
2017-07-24T12:51:43 < crt> hi sir
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2017-07-24T12:52:02 < Steffanx> Hello mate
2017-07-24T12:52:14 < Steffanx> Its wafel, not waffel btw.
2017-07-24T12:52:32 < crt> wafel
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2017-07-24T13:23:41 < Steffanx> Any must use modbus master sw karlp? Modbus Poll seems to come closest to want i want in such tool.
2017-07-24T13:31:22 < crt> oxo
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2017-07-24T14:38:07 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/3woHuB3.gifv
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2017-07-24T15:15:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/UXiS2fV.gifv haha
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2017-07-24T16:31:05 < englishman> rip Tectu http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/24/europe/switzerland-chainsaw/index.html
2017-07-24T16:31:39 < Steffanx> Lol tectu
2017-07-24T16:36:44 < dongs> someone didnt pay uguuFx license fee
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2017-07-24T16:56:38 < englishman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/wEuOdCt.gifv
2017-07-24T16:57:06 < zyp> dongs, sup? how's innovating?
2017-07-24T17:17:56 < Steffanx> Innovation in dreamland
2017-07-24T17:18:34 < dongs> zyp, innovating like crazy
2017-07-24T17:22:55 < zyp> doing anything fun?
2017-07-24T17:29:00 < dongs> depends,  a few fun thigns but msotly nda
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2017-07-24T17:47:11 < invzim> zyp: ordered stuff from digikey?  Seems I can't get shipping charges until I actually place the order..
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2017-07-24T18:00:06 < dongs> isnt it just free shippinver over $50
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2017-07-24T18:01:50 < invzim> or 60, not clear if Norway is eligible
2017-07-24T18:02:11 < dongs> certainly
2017-07-24T18:02:34 < dongs> fuck japan
2017-07-24T18:02:40 < dongs> missed checkng my online bank by 30 seconds
2017-07-24T18:02:47 < dongs> now i cant login cuz its outside working hours
2017-07-24T18:03:01 < dongs> never mind that i could possibly be on the other fucking side of the world where its not midnight in jp
2017-07-24T18:04:00 < englishman> invzim: digikey.com or .no?
2017-07-24T18:04:33 < englishman> they treat you entirely differently
2017-07-24T18:05:02 < englishman> freeship if you order 420 blazekronor
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2017-07-24T18:08:19 < invzim> allright, looks good, and choice of fedex/ups/dhl
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2017-07-24T18:20:32 < zyp> invzim, 525 NOK
2017-07-24T18:20:46 < zyp> I never order for less than that
2017-07-24T18:21:14 < fest> dongs: online banking in jp has working hours or the payments you make will be processed tomorrow?
2017-07-24T18:21:29 < dongs> fest, i cant even login into the fucking site
2017-07-24T18:21:33 < fest> lol
2017-07-24T18:21:35 < dongs> for a business account at the biggest bank in japan
2017-07-24T18:21:42 < dongs> it CLOSES after midnight, until like 8am
2017-07-24T18:21:46 < dongs> fucking ONLINE SERVICE
2017-07-24T18:21:48 < dongs> the mind fucking boggles
2017-07-24T18:21:53 < fest> hahaha
2017-07-24T18:21:59 < zyp> invzim, if you want stuff for like 300, you might as well throw on some extra toys to hit the free shipping limit, and if you're not even ordering that much then enjoy paying more for shipping than for product
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2017-07-24T18:28:38 < invzim> yup, may get some fpga's.  Altera/Intel seem to be about to ship the cyclone 10
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2017-07-24T18:49:23 < emeb> lol cyclone 10
2017-07-24T18:49:49 < emeb> skipped 6-9
2017-07-24T18:53:24 < invzim> to me it seems like a rebadged cyclone iv e, but hey, half price so ok by me
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2017-07-24T19:29:18 < emeb> looks different - fairly large, 18x19 mults, hard floating pt., faster LVDS & serdes
2017-07-24T19:30:12 < Laurenceb_> it has FPU units?
2017-07-24T19:30:23 < emeb> https://www.altera.com/products/fpga/cyclone-series/cyclone-10.html
2017-07-24T19:30:32 < emeb> 84 mult/add
2017-07-24T19:30:36 < emeb> in smallest part
2017-07-24T19:30:39 < Laurenceb_> inb4 simulated analogue computer on an FPGA
2017-07-24T19:30:43 < Laurenceb_> we go full circle
2017-07-24T19:32:18 < emeb> that's the GX parts
2017-07-24T19:32:29 < emeb> the LP parts do look a lot like Cyc IV
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2017-07-24T19:57:07 < invzim> yah, it's the lp I'm looking at
2017-07-24T20:01:48 < emeb> what's availability on those?
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2017-07-24T20:21:41 < Rob235> ahh, got the sd card working finally
2017-07-24T20:29:11 < Steffanx>  \o/
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2017-07-24T20:32:58 < Rob235> hmm but it fails when I enable the lcd that its attached to :P
2017-07-24T20:33:06 < Rob235> that seems to be what the problem was all along
2017-07-24T20:34:50 < Thorn> is the lpc176x family still relevant
2017-07-24T20:34:59 < Thorn> seems to be as expensive as F4 these days
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2017-07-24T20:35:29 < Rob235> Im using the 1768 right now :)
2017-07-24T20:36:19 < Thorn> why
2017-07-24T20:36:45 < Rob235> because I needed an mcu for a project and the two I had onhand not being used were this and a teensy 3.2
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2017-07-24T20:44:59 < Thorn> oh so it was a board
2017-07-24T20:45:20 < Thorn> I mean if you need to do a production run, even if a small one
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2017-07-24T20:57:44 < Steffanx> Someone here a bit into modbus?
2017-07-24T20:59:24 < Steffanx> It so simplistic that it leaves so much open for the user to come up with some solution..
2017-07-24T20:59:46 < Steffanx> *it's
2017-07-24T21:00:12 < englishman> emeb: what's a "hardened" FP multiplier/adder?
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2017-07-24T21:03:46 < emeb> englishman: that's a functional core in the FPGA that's not built out of normal FPGA fabric
2017-07-24T21:04:11 < emeb> so it's small and fast but it's locked down in position.
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2017-07-24T21:04:44 < emeb> and the configuration settings are limited to what the silicon designers thought of in advance
2017-07-24T21:05:16 < englishman> so by "hardened" they just mean it is a hardware unit?
2017-07-24T21:05:21 < emeb> pretty much
2017-07-24T21:05:34 < englishman> ok. nothing to do with rad-hard or error checking etc
2017-07-24T21:05:53 < emeb> not unless the FPGA is on a rad-hard technology.
2017-07-24T21:05:59 < englishman> right, for the former
2017-07-24T21:06:10 < englishman> interesting terminology, is all
2017-07-24T21:06:37 < emeb> yeah. no different from BRAM or multiplier resources
2017-07-24T21:22:23 < invzim> emeb: digikey claims it will shop 3rd of august
2017-07-24T21:22:49 < emeb> invzim: cool. pricing? pkgs?
2017-07-24T21:23:01 < invzim> that's the kicker, they've gone back to offering qfp :)
2017-07-24T21:23:07 < emeb> \o/
2017-07-24T21:23:10 < invzim> and about half price of cyclone iv e
2017-07-24T21:23:14 < emeb> got linky?
2017-07-24T21:24:45 < invzim> https://www.digikey.no/products/en?keywords=10CL010YE144I7G
2017-07-24T21:25:25 < invzim> they got bigger in qfp too, but I need more IO
2017-07-24T21:25:49 < invzim> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/612/c10lp-51001-1114189.pdf
2017-07-24T21:26:10 < emeb> 144-pin QFP is fine w/ me
2017-07-24T21:26:26 < invzim> the thing I really like, apart from the price, is that it will probably be available for some time
2017-07-24T21:26:38 < invzim> was getting a little worried about doing a design with cyclone iv
2017-07-24T21:27:24 < emeb> but €110 is kinda steep
2017-07-24T21:27:43 < emeb> oh wait - that's Norway monies
2017-07-24T21:27:56 < invzim> it's 13 dollahs for 1 :)
2017-07-24T21:28:03 < emeb> much better
2017-07-24T21:31:29 < emeb> that 10CL010 has 10k LEs, 23 mults and 46 9kb BRAMS
2017-07-24T21:31:45 < emeb> about the same logic as a Spartan 6 LX9, more mults and less BRAM
2017-07-24T21:31:52 < emeb> for slightly lower price
2017-07-24T21:31:59 < emeb> and same package
2017-07-24T21:32:48 < invzim> it's pretty good, would have used max10 if it had a sane way to field update without spending a month writing my own
2017-07-24T21:33:10 < invzim> http://www.kirurg.org/drop/irken/IMG_0703.JPG <-what I'm working on, currently comparable cyclone iv
2017-07-24T21:33:16 < jadew> https://www.researchgate.net/figure/3423478_fig3_Fig-4-Textile-solder-pads-as-a-50-coplanar-waveguide-and-b-SMA-connectors
2017-07-24T21:33:26 < jadew> https://www.researchgate.net/figure/3423478_fig10_Fig-10-Measured-insertion-loss-in-dB-of-the-10-cm-GSSSG-line-with-copper-in-X
2017-07-24T21:33:50 < emeb> invzim: nice. video stuffs...
2017-07-24T21:34:32 < vampi-the-frog> hey man, I'm trying to get I2S to work, but when I enable it, it pulls the SD line low. It's in slave receive mode. Am I supposed to wire the external SD line to I2S2_SD or I2S2ext_SD?
2017-07-24T21:34:45 < vampi-the-frog> or any idea why it's pulling it low?
2017-07-24T21:35:53 < BrainDamage> jadew: 10dB/cm that's a fucking joke
2017-07-24T21:36:06 < BrainDamage> sorry, 1dB/cm
2017-07-24T21:37:14 < jadew> at what frequency?
2017-07-24T21:37:20 < BrainDamage> 2GHz
2017-07-24T21:37:33 < emeb> no RF shirts for you
2017-07-24T21:37:39 < jadew> yeah, but it does better at the lower ones
2017-07-24T21:37:59 < BrainDamage> yeah, ofc,even a flying piece of wire performs good at dc
2017-07-24T21:38:02 < jadew> still sucks tho, you're better off with a proper transmission line
2017-07-24T21:38:08 < emeb> build antennas into your hipster scarf!
2017-07-24T21:38:31 < BrainDamage> you want to use a frequency where the size of the waveguide is comparable to the wavelength, otherwise it won't behave as transmission line
2017-07-24T21:40:07 < englishman> wtf
2017-07-24T21:40:10 < englishman> textile waveguides
2017-07-24T21:40:22 < englishman> why not just order some china flexi
2017-07-24T21:40:34 < BrainDamage> almost surely not as comfortable
2017-07-24T21:41:03 < BrainDamage> but still,that particular implementation sucks from an electrical POV
2017-07-24T21:41:58 < englishman> i wonder how poorly it performs when held next to a sweaty body
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2017-07-24T23:40:45 < Steffanx> such innovations http://imgur.com/a/zKvsc
2017-07-24T23:42:09 < kakimir> this is your best?
2017-07-24T23:42:24 < kakimir> it's a controller?
2017-07-24T23:42:39 < kakimir> medical or what?
2017-07-24T23:46:52 < kakimir> looks like something that comes with adjustable bed or so
2017-07-24T23:47:01 < kakimir> move this move that
2017-07-24T23:47:05 < kakimir> indicator light
2017-07-24T23:49:43 < Steffanx> Its a remote, yes. kakimir
2017-07-24T23:50:07 < zyp> woah, Steffanx innovates again
2017-07-24T23:50:29 < kakimir> you get paid a lot for this?
2017-07-24T23:50:37 < Steffanx> Lol. I do more than you think. I just post my most useless things
2017-07-24T23:50:44 < Steffanx> I dont get paid, kakimir
2017-07-24T23:50:47 < zyp> is this IR?
2017-07-24T23:50:52 < kakimir> I doubt
2017-07-24T23:50:58 < Steffanx> BLE.
2017-07-24T23:51:00 < emeb> Steffanx the occult master
2017-07-24T23:51:01 < kakimir> oh
2017-07-24T23:51:05 < emeb> his motives are hidden
2017-07-24T23:51:09 < zyp> okay, not entirely useless then
2017-07-24T23:51:10 < emeb> his output unknown
2017-07-24T23:51:28 < zyp> if you said IR, I would have asked you why the fuck
2017-07-24T23:51:29 < kakimir> he is a good guy
2017-07-24T23:52:06 < Steffanx> Repurposing Bekijk dit op eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/182113519037
2017-07-24T23:52:20 < Steffanx> Oops, dutch much
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2017-07-24T23:52:49 < kakimir> it's out there for 6eur
2017-07-24T23:52:59 < Steffanx> But no BLE
2017-07-24T23:53:06 < kakimir> so you repurpose the case?
2017-07-24T23:53:11 < Steffanx> Yes
2017-07-24T23:53:34 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-3S-11-1V-25A-W-Balance-Li-ion-Lithium-18650-Battery-BMS-PCB-Protection-Board-/272761561101 anyone used these?
2017-07-24T23:53:50 < Steffanx> Pass
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2017-07-24T23:54:04 < Steffanx> Lol emeb
2017-07-24T23:54:23 < kakimir> Steffanx: pass as do not buy?
2017-07-24T23:54:37 < Steffanx> As in no.
2017-07-24T23:55:05 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-24T23:55:09 < zyp> kakimir, what do you need a BMS for?
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2017-07-24T23:55:48 < emeb> Steffanx: :)
2017-07-24T23:56:38 < kakimir> zyp: retrofitting the hell out of my 3S'es
2017-07-24T23:56:43 < zyp> 3S sounds like RC stuff to me where everybody uses balancing chargers
2017-07-24T23:56:52 < englishman> kaks, i'm considering BQ4Z60 for a project
2017-07-24T23:56:56 < zyp> so idk what you'd use that for
2017-07-24T23:56:59 < englishman> going to get the devboard i think
2017-07-24T23:57:00 < kakimir> when I don't need them batteries in RC
2017-07-24T23:57:05 < kakimir> but in appliances
2017-07-24T23:57:15 < kakimir> just connect 12.6V wall adapter
2017-07-24T23:57:19 < kakimir> and be done
2017-07-24T23:57:32 < zyp> what appliances do you have that's 3S?
2017-07-24T23:57:41 < kakimir> anything 12V
2017-07-24T23:57:46 < Steffanx> How is your innovation going zyp?
2017-07-24T23:57:58 < zyp> idk, mostly been on vacation lately
2017-07-24T23:58:08 < kakimir> I will do some power bricks from my 3S'es
2017-07-24T23:58:21 < kakimir> one retrofit lipo for cordless drill
2017-07-24T23:58:29 < kakimir> I have 100A BMS for it already
2017-07-24T23:58:41 < Steffanx> Vacation is THE time for innovations
2017-07-24T23:59:03 < kakimir> vacation is the time for coma
2017-07-24T23:59:26 < kakimir> so deep you don't even remember how you lost all the time
2017-07-24T23:59:35 < Steffanx> How long is your vacation? 3? 4 weeks?
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2017-07-25T00:00:19 < kakimir> scandinavia has the best vacations btw
2017-07-25T00:02:12 < Steffanx> Btw worst thing of this latest innovation. No stm32 involved
2017-07-25T00:02:30 < kakimir> you are forgiven
2017-07-25T00:02:50 < kakimir> you are not only one with side projects
2017-07-25T00:03:10 < Steffanx> It has your favourite tiny ble module in it, kakimir
2017-07-25T00:04:16 < kakimir> have you played with it yet?
2017-07-25T00:04:30 < englishman> but does it have ST10, the logical successor of STM32
2017-07-25T00:04:31 < Steffanx> Yes.
2017-07-25T00:04:40 < kakimir> st10?
2017-07-25T00:04:43 < Steffanx> No, it has semtech.
2017-07-25T00:04:54 < englishman> oh nooo
2017-07-25T00:05:06 < Steffanx> Io expander
2017-07-25T00:05:09 < englishman> laurent will be mad
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2017-07-25T00:05:29 < Steffanx> Screw LoRanceb_
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2017-07-25T00:12:19 < BrainDamage> he's mad every even day, it's statistically irrelevant anyway
2017-07-25T00:13:44 < kakimir> Steffanx: will there be any micro apart from your BLE module?
2017-07-25T00:15:15 < Steffanx> Nein.
2017-07-25T00:15:58 < Steffanx> Just expanding the io over i2c
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2017-07-25T00:17:40 < kakimir> so you are going to actually program the module?
2017-07-25T00:17:50 < kakimir> it hase i2c wow
2017-07-25T00:18:22 < Steffanx> Yes, and yes. You can program them with an stlink
2017-07-25T00:18:26 < Steffanx> Just swd.
2017-07-25T00:19:20 < zyp> Just sad.
2017-07-25T00:19:27 < Steffanx> Real m0 inside you know, kakimir
2017-07-25T00:19:41 < Steffanx> Where is the sadness zyp
2017-07-25T00:20:16 < kakimir> wow
2017-07-25T00:20:22 < kakimir> m0
2017-07-25T00:20:37 < englishman> interesting that balance board provides all that protection and balance charging without any microcontroller
2017-07-25T00:20:37 < kakimir> this changes everything
2017-07-25T00:20:37 < Steffanx> In 🇧🇪 is the sadness atm
2017-07-25T00:20:46 < kakimir> englishman: shunt regulators
2017-07-25T00:20:51 < englishman> yes
2017-07-25T00:21:11 < kakimir> sometimes you don't really want micros involved
2017-07-25T00:21:21 < zyp> Steffanx, hmm?
2017-07-25T00:21:41 < Steffanx> Nothing, you wouldnt care. :p
2017-07-25T00:21:49 < Steffanx> Women soccer
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2017-07-25T00:22:27 < zyp> by the way, you should do a better job of invading .be
2017-07-25T00:22:29 < englishman> problem with using my solution with buck charging regulator is >1V dropout, so likely won't be able to charge from a car with the motor off
2017-07-25T00:22:32 < zyp> too much french in brussel
2017-07-25T00:22:53 < englishman> too much norwegian in norway too
2017-07-25T00:23:02 < zyp> no, I mean
2017-07-25T00:23:07 < kakimir> englishman: solution for what
2017-07-25T00:23:10 < zyp> there's dutch and then there's french
2017-07-25T00:23:14 < englishman> 3s battery management
2017-07-25T00:23:19 < zyp> and dutch is at least halfway understandable
2017-07-25T00:23:20 < kakimir> why in car?
2017-07-25T00:23:24 < BrainDamage> the final solution for the battery management problem?
2017-07-25T00:23:28 < zyp> so more dutch and less french would be good
2017-07-25T00:23:31 < englishman> charging this device from a car is a desired use case
2017-07-25T00:23:33 < kakimir> lead acid BrainDamage
2017-07-25T00:23:52 < Steffanx> bruxelles*
2017-07-25T00:24:29 < englishman> flemish is the greatest belgian language
2017-07-25T00:24:41 < BrainDamage> can't you use sepic or buck-boost?
2017-07-25T00:24:59 < englishman> thing is BQ4Z60 offers a nice solution for all the *other* stuff
2017-07-25T00:25:14 < englishman> charging, balancing, telemetry etc
2017-07-25T00:25:31 < kakimir> what are you up to englishman ?
2017-07-25T00:25:55 < Steffanx> Killing beavers
2017-07-25T00:26:22 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-25T00:26:52 < englishman> these guys want to power TX2 and a bunch of other crap from non-removable 18650s
2017-07-25T00:27:11 < kakimir> I try to find reindeer meat for you Steffanx but I have not found it in smaller stores or even mid size stores
2017-07-25T00:27:31 < Steffanx> Fresh or smoked?
2017-07-25T00:27:37 < kakimir> canned
2017-07-25T00:27:44 < kakimir> chip
2017-07-25T00:27:48 < englishman> reindeer spam
2017-07-25T00:27:51 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-25T00:27:53 < kakimir> basically
2017-07-25T00:28:01 < englishman> interesting
2017-07-25T00:30:20 < kakimir> https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yX4zkBThZCQ/VlWopW747LI/AAAAAAAAVZY/ZU23xv29rKk/s1600/poronk%25C3%25A4ristys2.jpg
2017-07-25T00:31:19 < BrainDamage> here you can only find reindeer and boar meat when you go in the mountain regions
2017-07-25T00:32:37 < kakimir> where?
2017-07-25T00:32:44 < kakimir> you are canadian?
2017-07-25T00:33:10 < BrainDamage> italian
2017-07-25T00:34:09 < BrainDamage> actually boar meat ragu is a local specialty food
2017-07-25T00:35:37 < englishman> sounds delicious
2017-07-25T00:35:56 < kakimir> so our reindeer meat is in your mountain area shops?
2017-07-25T00:36:35 < BrainDamage> not imported meat, locally hunted one, but yes, you can find something equivalent here
2017-07-25T00:36:52 < BrainDamage> and yes, that thing is delicious
2017-07-25T00:37:55 < kakimir> you have reindeers? wow
2017-07-25T00:38:41 < BrainDamage> ops, sorry, my mistake, the ones here are deers, not reindeers
2017-07-25T00:39:02 < BrainDamage> ( double checked with google translate afteryou asked )
2017-07-25T00:40:58 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reindeer#/media/File:Rangifer_tarandus_map.png
2017-07-25T00:42:58 < Steffanx> How can be something so finnish not be in the local stores kakimir ?
2017-07-25T00:44:21 < zyp> here you find reindeer meat in any grocery store
2017-07-25T00:45:52 < kakimir> I bet it's game 2 grocery store chains and 2 big meat houses play
2017-07-25T00:45:57 < kakimir> dominating everything
2017-07-25T00:46:02 < kakimir> especially prices
2017-07-25T00:47:00 < englishman> the reindeer cartel
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2017-07-25T00:47:59 < kakimir> it's sold to paying customers - restaurants, export to get any profit
2017-07-25T00:48:32 < BrainDamage> do the packages have a red nose painted over?
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2017-07-25T00:49:23 < kakimir> :]
2017-07-25T00:49:43 < kakimir> no
2017-07-25T01:05:57 < Rob235> why does my phone see this bluetooth LE module but my mbp doesnt? :(
2017-07-25T01:07:23 < kakimir> BrainDamage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOQuw1MXLGQ ramsay in lapland
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2017-07-25T03:02:45 < jadew> lol, was looking for some info on a topic and found a forum with a guy asking the same question, complaining that he couldn't find any books on the topic. Some other guy shows up and says he has lots of documentation and that he'll upload it, if the guy needs it.
2017-07-25T03:03:19 < jadew> the guy replies and the convo goes like this: "- Yes, please do. - Ok, do you read russian?"
2017-07-25T03:03:44 < jadew> that's where the thread stopped
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2017-07-25T05:05:30 < crt> its clean
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2017-07-25T05:23:59 < crt> stffn
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2017-07-25T05:27:53 < englishman> curt
2017-07-25T05:28:33 < crt> sup man
2017-07-25T05:29:24 < upgrdman> so im trying to debug f4 usb. using the cdc virtual com port demo code. looking with wireshark, i see the descriptions, then configuration, then a few strings, then nothing. on the f4 i see a usb suspend. any ideas why
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2017-07-25T06:31:24 < ohsix> dongs: what pick and place do you have? Talking with pcb jerks
2017-07-25T06:33:05 < ohsix> two guys at local biz have iineo and another guy is asking about volume and how you do it
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2017-07-25T06:35:15 < ohsix> i forgot how many you'd done in a weekend and with what
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2017-07-25T07:09:03 < crt> JACKCON
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2017-07-25T08:54:15 < dongs> god damn fucking opensores
2017-07-25T08:54:25 < dongs> some 'magisk' trash has been bugging me on the phone to 'update' it
2017-07-25T08:54:33 < dongs> kept vibrating the phone every hour for liek 2 weeks
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2017-07-25T08:54:37 < dongs> finalyl i was like fuck you, get updated and fuck off
2017-07-25T08:54:43 < dongs> reboot phone = doens't boot into anything
2017-07-25T08:54:49 < dongs> good fucking job, opensores faggots
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2017-07-25T09:11:49 < Thorn> why do you have illegal hacking tools installed on your phone
2017-07-25T09:12:38 < dongs> no idea
2017-07-25T09:12:42 < dongs> i didnt install it
2017-07-25T09:13:06 < dongs> got it fixed, just reinstalled withotu cleaning any data and was all ok
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2017-07-25T10:25:12 < dongs> Lol on a freshly installed jewbunto lunix systemd is taking up top% of the cpu
2017-07-25T10:26:43 < dongs> R2COM: whats innovating
2017-07-25T10:30:46 < dongs> cool
2017-07-25T10:37:25 < Rob235> hrmmm https://imgur.com/a/MJirL
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2017-07-25T14:39:29 < Thorn> how many LOC fit into X KB of flash on average?
2017-07-25T14:39:33 < Thorn> my usb driver has 3213 LOC, takes 4364 bytes of .text , 1836 bytes of .rodata (with descriptors and a lot of debug strings)
2017-07-25T14:39:48 < Thorn> this is 1.36 bytes of .text / LOC
2017-07-25T14:40:29 < Thorn> C++ is too wordy with all class / template the declarations
2017-07-25T14:41:51 < zyp> depends on code verbosity
2017-07-25T14:43:18 < Thorn> 1.3 bytes of machine code per LOC seems very low
2017-07-25T14:43:35 < Thorn> that is less than 1 thumb instruction
2017-07-25T14:44:01 < BrainDamage> did you strip out commends and preprocessor directives before counting lines?
2017-07-25T14:44:29 < Thorn> no
2017-07-25T14:44:35 < Thorn> nor empty lines
2017-07-25T14:44:46 < Thorn> so it's not SLOC
2017-07-25T14:47:10 < zyp> I'm looking at a checkout of my arcin code
2017-07-25T14:48:08 < zyp> the particular laks checkout referenced has 3532 LOC (of which some are in unused files)
2017-07-25T14:48:26 < zyp> bootloader.cpp is 323 lines and main.cpp is 379 lines
2017-07-25T14:49:13 < zyp> bootloader.elf consumes 7272 bytes of flash, main.elf consumes 7568 bytes
2017-07-25T14:51:18 < Thorn> that is with startup code and libraries?
2017-07-25T14:51:40 < zyp> that is the final build, yes
2017-07-25T14:51:53 < zyp> .text, .rodata and .data init image all together
2017-07-25T14:57:17 < Thorn> I measured it by removing the library (+ the code that uses it, so the ration is actually slightly lower) from the project and recompiling
2017-07-25T14:57:24 < Thorn> *ratio
2017-07-25T15:04:20 < jpa-> 2.4 bytes per LOC for nanopb
2017-07-25T15:04:58 < zyp> I don't think bytes per LOC is a very useful metric
2017-07-25T15:05:05 < jpa-> nope but it is a fun one :)
2017-07-25T15:06:27 < englishman> dongs, why did you use a discrete button-on-mcu-off circuit instead of a dedicated pushbutton controller ic
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2017-07-25T15:07:15 < zyp> I could fill up laks with thousands of lines of enum declarations naming all the bits in all registers, increasing the number of LOCs greatly but still generating the same end binary
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2017-07-25T15:07:43 < AlphaOmega> does anyone here know about making a low cost thermal camera with good resolution at about 200 m?
2017-07-25T15:08:46 < jpa-> define low cost
2017-07-25T15:08:54 < englishman> define good resolution
2017-07-25T15:09:08 < englishman> 200m would need a heck of an optic
2017-07-25T15:09:12 < AlphaOmega> low cost = ~10$
2017-07-25T15:09:22 < BrainDamage> no
2017-07-25T15:09:24 < AlphaOmega> good resolution = shady blotch
2017-07-25T15:09:36 < jpa-> you can't get better than 1px sensor for that price
2017-07-25T15:09:39 < AlphaOmega> with just noticable arms or legs
2017-07-25T15:09:44 < englishman> yeah no
2017-07-25T15:10:07 < AlphaOmega> so, any workaround?
2017-07-25T15:10:13 < dongs> < englishman> dongs, why did you use a discrete button-on-mcu-off circuit instead of a dedicated pushbutton controller ic
2017-07-25T15:10:22 < dongs> englishman: beacuse pushbutton controller IC is from maxim and is $2
2017-07-25T15:10:26 < jpa-> what you can theoretically do is just to use a long tube to limit the field-of-view of a infrared thermometer, and then scan that with servos - but it will take many minutes to take a single image
2017-07-25T15:10:39 < englishman> change your project requirements or determine why you don't need the thing that you're asking
2017-07-25T15:10:44 < jpa-> AlphaOmega: break into some military building and steal night vision goggles?
2017-07-25T15:11:02 < englishman> is that the only reason? dongs
2017-07-25T15:11:02 < BrainDamage> you could steer your single pixel PIR, but you'll end up spending hundreds/thousands in FIR optics
2017-07-25T15:11:03 < AlphaOmega> i found a post that tells me one can use a thermal gun to provide a good thermal camera
2017-07-25T15:11:15 < AlphaOmega> jpa-: nope, night vision ain't gonna cut it
2017-07-25T15:11:24 < dongs> > 200 meters
2017-07-25T15:11:25 < englishman> are they really $2
2017-07-25T15:11:28 < dongs> > thermal camera
2017-07-25T15:11:31 < dongs> > $10
2017-07-25T15:11:32 < dongs> wat
2017-07-25T15:11:34 < dongs> is this guy for real
2017-07-25T15:11:37 < englishman> no
2017-07-25T15:11:41 < englishman> this is an xy question
2017-07-25T15:11:45 < AlphaOmega> jpa-: yes, that's the idea.. gonna scan an area aerially for heat signatures
2017-07-25T15:11:59 < dongs> load up that chinese plastic shitcopter
2017-07-25T15:12:03 < dongs> with raspberrypi and servos
2017-07-25T15:12:07 < AlphaOmega> dongs: i'm a newbie so, expect unreal expectations
2017-07-25T15:13:12 < BrainDamage> AlphaOmega: I've seen someone launching a water bottle rocket, therefore  i should be able to make a satellite launching vector for 100$
2017-07-25T15:13:27 < englishman> Thorn, looks like i will have to ask you to suspend our exchange of kitten photos, as trade between our countries has been restricted, i could go to prison http://www.international.gc.ca/sanctions/countries-pays/Russia-Russie.aspx?lang=eng
2017-07-25T15:13:27 < BrainDamage> this is essentially what you're saying
2017-07-25T15:13:43 < jpa-> AlphaOmega: the cheapest sensor you can get is the panasonic grideye at about $40; but i doubt it has enough sensitivity to go 200 meters
2017-07-25T15:14:02 < jpa-> you can avoid the need for far-IR lenses by using parabolic mirror as optics
2017-07-25T15:14:35 < AlphaOmega> i need a workaround
2017-07-25T15:14:46 < dongs> BREAKING: Knife-wielding, Allahu-Akbar shouting man, attacks police officers on Spanish-Moroccan border
2017-07-25T15:14:49 < AlphaOmega> i'll have to look into how cameras create a thermal image
2017-07-25T15:14:58 < BrainDamage> you need to say why you want suh abusrd setup
2017-07-25T15:15:04 < BrainDamage> such absurd*
2017-07-25T15:15:06 < zyp> AlphaOmega, what is it you want to do?
2017-07-25T15:15:13 < BrainDamage> ^
2017-07-25T15:15:16 < jpa-> AlphaOmega: far-infrared cameras basically have a grid of really small thermometers
2017-07-25T15:15:36 < AlphaOmega> BrainDamage: i'm building a low cost surveillance system that check forests for humans
2017-07-25T15:15:37 < jadew> dongs, doesn't sound like news anymore, but link?
2017-07-25T15:16:14 < BrainDamage> AlphaOmega: so thermal is unnecessary, you could use radar or optic
2017-07-25T15:16:34 < BrainDamage> altough 200m radar won't be trivial either
2017-07-25T15:16:37 < AlphaOmega> yea
2017-07-25T15:16:50 < BrainDamage> but your 10$ budget will kill you with either
2017-07-25T15:16:56 < dongs> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4727702/Knife-wielding-man-attacks-police-shouting-Allahu-akbar.html jadew 3 hours old, my breaking news are delayed
2017-07-25T15:17:06 < jadew> thanks
2017-07-25T15:17:09 < AlphaOmega> and optic is dumb too, how can one reliably identify a human below a canopy?
2017-07-25T15:17:17 < dongs> ahahaha LO L@ video
2017-07-25T15:17:28 < dongs> the police guy tossed one of those road block shits at him
2017-07-25T15:17:29 < jpa-> AlphaOmega: monitor for mobile phone radiation? :P
2017-07-25T15:17:43 < AlphaOmega> BrainDamage: if not 10$, what could be lowest possible sensor capable of such specs
2017-07-25T15:17:57 < AlphaOmega> and say if i reduce 200m range down to 100m or 50m, then?
2017-07-25T15:18:01 < jpa-> AlphaOmega: there isn't such a sensor, even infrared is easy enough to fool
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2017-07-25T15:18:13 < dongs> AlphaOmega: people who need to check forests for humans have the appropriate equipment needed for it
2017-07-25T15:18:17 < AlphaOmega> jpa-: it is not necessary the human will be carrying a phone
2017-07-25T15:18:18 < dongs> your shit will never work
2017-07-25T15:18:24 < jpa-> AlphaOmega: probably closest is putting old-school trapwires in the forest
2017-07-25T15:18:52 < AlphaOmega> jpa-: lol, i wish i could, but that's far more costly than just aerial scouting
2017-07-25T15:19:13 < jadew> why is the budget $10?
2017-07-25T15:19:16 < AlphaOmega> dongs: i have to make it work
2017-07-25T15:19:19 < jpa-> only if you imagine aerial scouting is $10
2017-07-25T15:19:23 < jadew> maybe what you're trying to protect is not worth protecting?
2017-07-25T15:19:27 < AlphaOmega> jadew: making a low cost solution
2017-07-25T15:19:38 < AlphaOmega> jpa-: i got the rest of the rig packing in about 30$
2017-07-25T15:19:40 < dongs> cost isn't the problem here
2017-07-25T15:19:59 < AlphaOmega> i'm willing to spend about 40-50$ as a whole, but i need the lowest possible cost
2017-07-25T15:20:03 < jpa-> AlphaOmega: your rest of the rig will then only work for 10 minutes, for the first 100 flights, and only in good weather
2017-07-25T15:20:04 < dongs> the thing you want to do, is expensive to implement. and it has been done already. so you just buy whats been done
2017-07-25T15:20:22 < AlphaOmega> jpa-: I've got ideas and workarounds for those situations
2017-07-25T15:20:43 < AlphaOmega> dongs: it being expensive is the reason to make a cheaper one
2017-07-25T15:20:56 < jpa-> yet you lack the crucial part of detecting people; and there isn't a reliable method for that, as a simple aluminum-coated plastic cloak will defeat IR
2017-07-25T15:21:01 < englishman> get two guys from fiverr to watch the forest
2017-07-25T15:21:06 < jpa-> (if IR would otherwise work at all)
2017-07-25T15:21:11 < AlphaOmega> englishman: lol
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2017-07-25T15:21:48 < AlphaOmega> jpa-: i'm using ML to do the detection work so, i'm looking for non-normal signatures
2017-07-25T15:22:00 < dongs> ML what
2017-07-25T15:22:06 < AlphaOmega> Machine Learning
2017-07-25T15:22:14 < jpa-> machine learning, the thing that magically makes crap come out of sensor noise
2017-07-25T15:22:14 < jadew> https://www.reuters.tv/v/TEb/2017/04/06/transgender-thais-face-nightmare-at-army-draft
2017-07-25T15:22:15 < dongs> with a budet of $10?
2017-07-25T15:22:21 < dongs> budget
2017-07-25T15:22:22 < AlphaOmega> the idea is, if something is not ordinary, rather report it
2017-07-25T15:22:33 < AlphaOmega> dongs: 10$ for the sensor
2017-07-25T15:22:42 < BrainDamage> so you'll have thousand of fake positives from normal forest life?
2017-07-25T15:22:49 < englishman> leave a $10 nokia phone on the end of a string and a note that says "humans, please call me"
2017-07-25T15:23:07 < AlphaOmega> jpa-: yea, will have to teach the ML to not consider them
2017-07-25T15:23:12 < BrainDamage> you want 5$ nokia and 5$ phone traffic
2017-07-25T15:23:19 < dongs> AlphaOmega: have you done research of what heavy foliage does with heat sources below?
2017-07-25T15:23:20 < AlphaOmega> englishman: real creative.. but not appropriate
2017-07-25T15:23:33 < jpa-> AlphaOmega: why are you fixated on doing it with drones?
2017-07-25T15:23:35 < emeryth> leave $10 bills around the forest and check them periodically
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2017-07-25T15:23:56 < AlphaOmega> dongs: i know, but they don't produce the same heat signatures as a live body would make
2017-07-25T15:23:57 < dongs> emeryth: if I was drinking tea it would be all over my monitor/keyboard now
2017-07-25T15:23:59 < englishman> probably the best answer ^
2017-07-25T15:24:10 < AlphaOmega> emeryth: perfectly creative, not appropriate
2017-07-25T15:24:23 < AlphaOmega> somebody buy her lunch
2017-07-25T15:24:27 < AlphaOmega> *him/her
2017-07-25T15:24:32 < jpa-> use drones to dangle $10 bills on a string and check when the drone falls down
2017-07-25T15:24:35 < dongs> japs hired AlphaOmega to watch over aokighara forest
2017-07-25T15:24:36 < englishman> if your job is to detect humans it is entirely appropriate, you have not submitted manual labour or latency requirements
2017-07-25T15:24:37 < AlphaOmega> LOL
2017-07-25T15:24:49 < AlphaOmega> LOL
2017-07-25T15:24:58 < AlphaOmega> now yer just trolling me
2017-07-25T15:25:00 < BrainDamage> pay someone 1/h to look with a binocular
2017-07-25T15:25:08 < englishman> who is really trolling whom
2017-07-25T15:25:12 < AlphaOmega> or rather it must feel the same to you folks too
2017-07-25T15:25:12 < BrainDamage> 1$/h*
2017-07-25T15:25:21 < dongs> the only troll here is AlphaOmega
2017-07-25T15:25:29 < AlphaOmega> since this seems unreasonable, but i need to make it work
2017-07-25T15:25:45 < jpa-> why? you promised to deliver for $50 on freelancer already?
2017-07-25T15:25:51 < englishman> dongs, any experience with TI or intersil battery pack chg/monitoring ics
2017-07-25T15:25:53 < AlphaOmega> no
2017-07-25T15:26:00 < AlphaOmega> i've set a limit on myself for it
2017-07-25T15:26:02 < dongs> englishman: you mean 'battery gauges'?
2017-07-25T15:26:05 < englishman> yes
2017-07-25T15:26:10 < dongs> i've used various ones, they just ~work
2017-07-25T15:26:17 < dongs> TI, i dont recall using intersil anything cuz it was expensive
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2017-07-25T15:26:23 < BrainDamage> there's such thing as unworkable requirements in reality, this is not a movie where if you cut deadlines or budget by a factor of 100 people magically make due
2017-07-25T15:26:25 < englishman> looking at the cream of the crop bq40z60
2017-07-25T15:26:36 < englishman> looks like ti's stuff is all intersil clones, id much rather use ti
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2017-07-25T15:27:09 < dongs> looks pretty hardcore
2017-07-25T15:27:17 < AlphaOmega> BrainDamage: i agree
2017-07-25T15:27:17 < dongs> PeterM probably used something from that series too
2017-07-25T15:27:19 < englishman> sure seems to check all the boxes
2017-07-25T15:27:31 < dongs> iirc the shit i had was jsut simple 4 led gauge and i2c control or someshit
2017-07-25T15:27:31 < BrainDamage> so why are you insisting?
2017-07-25T15:27:57 < englishman> yeah the lower lines dont have charging / ORing etc just monitoring
2017-07-25T15:28:19 < dongs> rite
2017-07-25T15:28:29 < AlphaOmega> because i need to make a low cost solution
2017-07-25T15:28:32 < AlphaOmega> "need"
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2017-07-25T15:28:40 < englishman> the intersil clone is used in macbookPRO so you know it's good
2017-07-25T15:28:52 < AlphaOmega> too cliche but -> "Need drives Innovation!"
2017-07-25T15:29:10 < AlphaOmega> but i'm dead serious about it.. need to make it work
2017-07-25T15:29:17 < dongs> link to your freecancer
2017-07-25T15:29:23 < AlphaOmega> it's me
2017-07-25T15:29:28 < AlphaOmega> the freelancer
2017-07-25T15:29:41 < dongs> so rent a paki
2017-07-25T15:29:45 < AlphaOmega> lol
2017-07-25T15:29:49 < dongs> Canadian dollar hits 80 cents USD
2017-07-25T15:29:54 < dongs> rip englishman
2017-07-25T15:29:56 < englishman> yea
2017-07-25T15:30:01 < jpa-> AlphaOmega: dead serious? you'll die if you don't succeed?
2017-07-25T15:30:02 < englishman> my income dropped 10% last week
2017-07-25T15:30:03 < englishman> fml
2017-07-25T15:30:19 < englishman> keeping all my cash in usd until trump makes america great again
2017-07-25T15:30:31 < dongs> keep it in yen, in a jap bank
2017-07-25T15:30:36 < englishman> haha
2017-07-25T15:30:43 < dongs> so they take out monthly fees for keeping it there
2017-07-25T15:30:47 < BrainDamage> then he won't be able to access it during the day
2017-07-25T15:30:50 < dongs> and you wouldn't be able to
2017-07-25T15:30:50 < dongs> yes
2017-07-25T15:31:05 < englishman> you mean take your money for the privilege of making interest on your money
2017-07-25T15:31:13 < englishman> ah banks
2017-07-25T15:31:13 < BrainDamage> italy has the same retarded costs on bank accoutns
2017-07-25T15:31:18 < dongs> jap interests are in the negative anyway
2017-07-25T15:31:25 < englishman> haha
2017-07-25T15:31:28 < BrainDamage> and yes, you pay for them to be able to use your money
2017-07-25T15:31:36 < englishman> yeah
2017-07-25T15:31:38 < englishman> never use a bank
2017-07-25T15:31:40 < jadew> same here
2017-07-25T15:31:44 < dongs> this shit that closes at night costs me $60/month
2017-07-25T15:31:45 < jpa-> dongs: will you have to cut back on work now that japan has a 100-hour cap?
2017-07-25T15:31:46 < dongs> for the privilege
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2017-07-25T15:31:55 < dongs> jpa-: no idea is that news?
2017-07-25T15:32:08 < BrainDamage> ok, not that much, here's 40€/year
2017-07-25T15:32:17 < jpa-> yeah, it's news here in finland
2017-07-25T15:32:23 < dongs> http://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/04/19/17/death-by-overwork-japans-100-hour-overtime-cap-sparks-anger
2017-07-25T15:32:39 < englishman> the bank here has no fees and 1.95% interest
2017-07-25T15:32:49 < englishman> and they are still massively profitable
2017-07-25T15:33:27 < jadew> 100 hours of overtime
2017-07-25T15:33:28 < jadew> wtf...
2017-07-25T15:33:32 < dongs> Teranishi's husband was the manager of a struggling soba noodle restaurant in Kyoto when he committed suicide in the mid-nineties after suffering from depression blamed on long working hours.
2017-07-25T15:33:36 < dongs> "My husband worked for a total of 4,000 hours a year without weekends off. At most, he had two days off a month," she said, adding that he was pressured to work more by his recession-hit employer.
2017-07-25T15:33:40 < dongs> lol
2017-07-25T15:34:01 < dongs> so he worked like ~12 hours/day? what a dong
2017-07-25T15:34:03 < zyp> englishman, of course they are, banks don't make money from holding your money, they make money from loans
2017-07-25T15:34:06 < dongs> was he cooking noodles for everyone??
2017-07-25T15:35:02 < englishman> zyp, at least here (and usa), banks are now also investment banks, so their revenue mostly comes from investing and mortgages and a tiny fraction from loans
2017-07-25T15:35:39 < zyp> ah, that's also true
2017-07-25T15:36:21 < jpa-> how is mortgage not a loan?
2017-07-25T15:36:22 < zyp> my point still stands, the banks don't make money from holding your money, they make money from putting your money to use
2017-07-25T15:36:51 < jpa-> (and yeah, buying a stock is close enough to a loan also, as in the bank may or may not get more money back)
2017-07-25T15:36:56 < zyp> jpa-, I've also wondered about that, I don't really understand the distinction between mortgate and loan
2017-07-25T15:37:02 < invzim> well...  They use your money to create virtual money they collect interest on, so yeah, they do :)
2017-07-25T15:37:03 < jadew> it's the reason they push for long term deposits
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2017-07-25T15:37:05 < zyp> I don't think we have that distinction here
2017-07-25T15:37:06 < englishman> true, but they still use deposit capital to make money off of, so their deposits are net profitable, there is no need for fees
2017-07-25T15:37:12 < jadew> problem is that it's not worth it in here
2017-07-25T15:37:20 < zyp> englishman, correct
2017-07-25T15:37:27 < jadew> you get like 0.4% interest per year
2017-07-25T15:37:40 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, here in .fi mortgage is even called just "home loan"
2017-07-25T15:38:03 < englishman> mortgages are far more regulated than investment loans
2017-07-25T15:38:15 < englishman> and have tangible, insured asset backing it
2017-07-25T15:38:31 < zyp> well, yes
2017-07-25T15:39:04 < zyp> that's what a home loan is here too
2017-07-25T15:39:10 < englishman> but yea its a loan
2017-07-25T15:39:24 < BrainDamage> here they are called home loans as well
2017-07-25T15:39:35 < jadew> yep, same here
2017-07-25T15:39:59 < zyp> englishman, if the backing is the defining part, what about car loans that are backed by the car?
2017-07-25T15:40:19 < englishman> well now im speculating
2017-07-25T15:40:24 < englishman> but its an investment in a different markey
2017-07-25T15:40:32 < jpa-> yeah, while cars lose value faster, that's just compensated in the interest rate
2017-07-25T15:40:33 < englishman> cars always depreciate, homes can go the other way too
2017-07-25T15:40:59 < englishman> the scale and volatility of the loan is quite different too
2017-07-25T15:41:50 < zyp> yes, but they are both backed, or "secured" as it's called here
2017-07-25T15:42:09 < englishman> yeah, dono
2017-07-25T15:42:14 < englishman> maybe regulation plays a part too
2017-07-25T15:42:27 < englishman> mortgage contracts are inspected here
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2017-07-25T15:46:33 < zyp> hmm, it's not usually possible to run gbe over SFP+ modules, is there?
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2017-07-25T15:50:10 < zyp> I'm considering the idea of buying a reel of fiber and a pair of transceivers for some temporary stuff, and it would be convenient if it could be used with both SFP and SFP+ equipments in the ends
2017-07-25T15:50:27 < zyp> without having to buy two pairs of transceivers
2017-07-25T15:58:37 < zyp> hmm, not really a big deal, a pair of gbe transceivers are <$20 anyway
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2017-07-25T16:05:09 < Rob235> grrr what the fuck! why can't I get the sd card to read anymore
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2017-07-25T16:15:35 < invzim> zyp: think you can get dual-rate sfp+ transceivers, but never used them
2017-07-25T16:16:55 < Rob235> everything just broke wtf man
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2017-07-25T16:29:22 < Rob235> why would everything just stop working...
2017-07-25T16:30:35 < Rob235> gonna try rebooting...
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2017-07-25T17:15:19 < Steffanx> Its not windows (tm) .. Rob235
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2017-07-25T17:15:47 < Steffanx> Welcome Laurenceb_ . Are you still quietet?
2017-07-25T17:17:26 < Rob235> heh well I got it working again somehow
2017-07-25T17:31:42 < jadew> meaning you don't know what you did?
2017-07-25T17:31:48 < Rob235> correct
2017-07-25T17:31:58 < jadew> how do you know it's fixed? >:)
2017-07-25T17:32:37 < Rob235> well I reloaded a library that I didn't write, I think a different version of it and its working now, got my file list reading from sdcard now
2017-07-25T17:33:06 < Rob235> https://rjfeddeler.imgur.com/all/
2017-07-25T17:33:17 < jadew> you should make sure it was the version change
2017-07-25T17:33:35 < Rob235> i'll know if it continues to work
2017-07-25T17:34:04 < jadew> never a good idea to assume a problem is fixed if it stops manifesting itself without a clear cause
2017-07-25T17:34:21 < Rob235> i know, and yet I still dont care
2017-07-25T17:34:30 < Rob235> i'll worry about it if it comes up again
2017-07-25T17:35:31 < jadew> hopefully not during use
2017-07-25T17:36:23 < Rob235> if it does then its not a big deal, relax
2017-07-25T17:36:43 < Rob235> the problem was that nothing at all was working, so if that happens again then i'll just have to figure it out at the time
2017-07-25T17:37:52 < Thorn> is this the display used in that soldering iron? https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/0-91-Inch-128x32-IIC-I2C-Blue-OLED-LCD-Display-DIY-Module-SSD1306-Driver-IC-DC/1414081_32793415973.html
2017-07-25T17:38:07 < jadew> what soldering iron?
2017-07-25T17:38:24 < jadew> that tiny handheld one?
2017-07-25T17:38:27 < Thorn> that soldering iron
2017-07-25T17:38:30 < Thorn> with a display
2017-07-25T17:38:34 < Thorn> ts100
2017-07-25T17:38:59 < jadew> why is everyone talking about it?
2017-07-25T17:41:58 < tpw_rules> cause it looks cool
2017-07-25T17:42:35 < jadew> I like classic ones better
2017-07-25T17:42:41 < jadew> with the nice handle
2017-07-25T17:43:04 < jadew> https://img.banggood.com/thumb/water/oaupload/banggood/images/02/34/7b6f4928-9a36-4c76-8317-4206ba82b2a4.jpg
2017-07-25T17:43:13 < jadew> that looks cool
2017-07-25T17:43:24 < jadew> as in, nice to use
2017-07-25T17:44:42 < jadew> seriously, what does it have that makes it so special?
2017-07-25T17:45:19 < jadew> I noticed that it has an accelerometer - I don't want my iron to turn off unless it can heat up instantly when I pick it up
2017-07-25T17:47:15 < tpw_rules> i think that you can attach like any thing to it and it will be a decent soldering iron
2017-07-25T17:47:29 < tpw_rules> drill batteries, spare 18650s, usb, potatoes, etc
2017-07-25T17:47:32 < tpw_rules> that's what i think is neat
2017-07-25T17:47:33 < Rob235> I have a lcd with a sd card reader on the back, if I initialize the screen then the sdcard stops working, just commenting out the lcd constructor is enough to get the sd card working again.  any idea why?
2017-07-25T17:47:46 < tpw_rules> Rob235: you've messed up your chip selects
2017-07-25T17:47:49 < Rob235> they share the same spi lines
2017-07-25T17:47:59 < jadew> tpw_rules, yeah, I think that's its selling point, but I'd rather have a gas one
2017-07-25T17:48:12 < tpw_rules> only portable one i ever used was those weller coldheats
2017-07-25T17:48:14 < tpw_rules> and i can't recall it at all
2017-07-25T17:48:20 < Rob235> messed up how? I'm using someones library, separate libraries for the two components
2017-07-25T17:48:30 < tpw_rules> Rob235: the lcd driver probably has a disable function or something, to deassert chip select
2017-07-25T17:48:56 < tpw_rules> the two devices share SCLK, MOSI, and MISO but each has its own CS line to tell that device that it's being talked to
2017-07-25T17:49:17 < Rob235> right, so youre saying I need to manually disable the cs for each after use?
2017-07-25T17:49:22 < tpw_rules> either you've told the two drivers the wrong CS lines, or you have to call some function in the drivers to deassert the CS line when you're done with the display
2017-07-25T17:49:30 < Rob235> ok
2017-07-25T17:49:33 < Rob235> i'll check
2017-07-25T17:50:32 < Rob235> cs is active low right?
2017-07-25T17:50:38 < tpw_rules> yes?
2017-07-25T17:50:40 < tpw_rules> iirc
2017-07-25T17:59:12 < gxti> yes
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2017-07-25T18:00:47 < Rob235> grrbles
2017-07-25T18:01:03 < Thorn> is this real ublox https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Ublox-NEO-6M-GPS-Module-Aircraft-Flight-Controller-For-Arduino-MWC-IMU-APM2/1414081_32371521142.html
2017-07-25T18:04:41 < Fleck> no its plastic
2017-07-25T18:14:38 < gxti> probably legit
2017-07-25T18:14:57 < gxti> neo6 is pretty old at this point
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2017-07-25T18:26:57 < Rob235> wtf, I just updated saleae and I cant capture anything it just crashes every time
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2017-07-25T18:44:22 < Laurenceb_> Arduino 101 is dead
2017-07-25T18:44:25 < Laurenceb_> its fucking dead
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2017-07-25T18:45:13 < vampi-the-frog> what's that?
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2017-07-25T18:55:06 < englishman> jadew: its great
2017-07-25T18:55:09 < englishman> way better than a gas iron
2017-07-25T18:55:21 < englishman> i soldered a car battery terminal with 6S battery
2017-07-25T18:55:31 < englishman> or can turn it down for regular work on 3S battery
2017-07-25T18:55:46 < englishman> just connected 42V to displayport digital lines, and it survived. nice
2017-07-25T18:56:14 < englishman> dongs http://i.imgur.com/sEUYAkv.png
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2017-07-25T19:11:00 < BrainDamage> is the tip of a ts100 a single piece like here https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1v96fLFXXXXbkXFXXq6xXFXXXK.jpg or can you replace the sub element like hakkos http://image.dhgate.com/albu_263532956_00/1.0x0.jpg ?
2017-07-25T19:11:14 < englishman> former
2017-07-25T19:11:25 < englishman> but it is a hakko tip iirc
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2017-07-25T19:23:57 < invzim> he, seems micro sd slots ARE tricky
2017-07-25T19:24:36 < invzim> pcbcart first suggested a hinged type, which is not what I need, then the copy that's all over ali but out of production from the original manufacturer
2017-07-25T19:24:39 < invzim> with MOQ 1k :)
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2017-07-25T19:47:45 < emeb> why is pcbcart suggesting parts to you?
2017-07-25T19:48:11 < invzim> for assembly
2017-07-25T19:48:39 < emeb> ah - they're CMing for you?
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2017-07-25T19:48:50 < invzim> CM?
2017-07-25T19:48:56 < emeb> contract mfg
2017-07-25T19:50:00 < invzim> I guess.  I've used them for assembly and sourcing before, and may use them for this
2017-07-25T19:50:37 < emeb> Interesting. What qty you building?
2017-07-25T19:50:49 < invzim> I think 100
2017-07-25T19:51:11 < invzim> it's still prototype, not final yet.  My tiny PIC project I order in batches of 100
2017-07-25T19:51:39 < emeb> cool
2017-07-25T19:57:48 < englishman> let us know what they charge you plz
2017-07-25T19:58:04 < englishman> (so i can multiply by 10 and make sure i'm charging appropriate white-person markup for assembly)
2017-07-25T19:59:28 < Rob235> man I can not figure this shit out
2017-07-25T20:00:17 < kakimir> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CK_9EuJWIAAjHj6.png:large
2017-07-25T20:07:56 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3pcs-Waterproof-RJ45-Ethernet-Metal-connector-plug-and-socket-Straight-IP67-/182516155638 I wonder how bad these can be
2017-07-25T20:08:00 < kakimir> or how good even
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2017-07-25T20:09:29 < Steffanx> Try at tell us kakimir
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2017-07-25T20:09:59 < kakimir> how is the price btw.?
2017-07-25T20:10:19 < Steffanx> wifi is best :P
2017-07-25T20:10:25 < kakimir> wifi sucks
2017-07-25T20:10:37 < kakimir> I have never had problems with wires
2017-07-25T20:10:38 < kakimir> never
2017-07-25T20:10:47 < Steffanx> Your issue seems water here.. or dust
2017-07-25T20:10:59 < kakimir> outdoor condition
2017-07-25T20:11:21 < kakimir> water, dust, UV
2017-07-25T20:11:30 < kakimir> mostly indirect
2017-07-25T20:12:07 < Steffanx> do i want to know what you need rj45 connector outside for?
2017-07-25T20:12:32 < Steffanx> *where
2017-07-25T20:12:41 < kakimir> radios
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2017-07-25T20:14:04 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgffRW1fKDk 90s music
2017-07-25T20:15:47 < kakimir> Steffanx: ethernet combines nicelly data and power in universal format
2017-07-25T20:17:11 < Steffanx> universal.. as in real PoE? or those fake power injectors?
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2017-07-25T20:20:32 < kakimir> probs faking it
2017-07-25T20:20:50 < kakimir> universal fake poe
2017-07-25T20:24:14 < Rob235> so that was the problem, the library was using dma which made using both spi devices impossible
2017-07-25T20:25:10 < kakimir> Steffanx: what is you suggestion?
2017-07-25T20:25:31 < kakimir> to pay for proper poe?
2017-07-25T20:28:34 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabit-Active-PoE-Splitter-Power-Over-Ethernet-48V-to-12V-10-100-1000Mbps-/201974326358
2017-07-25T20:29:14 < kakimir> I wonder if I could optically transmit energy to device so I would eliminate lightning related problems and noise coupling
2017-07-25T20:29:25 < kakimir> like.. 1-2watts
2017-07-25T20:29:53 < kakimir> airgap of something like a meter would be sufficient
2017-07-25T20:33:21 < kakimir> hmm.. active splitter is not that much more
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2017-07-25T20:49:50 < Steffanx> im not really into ebay stuff for things like that kakimir
2017-07-25T21:07:21 < BrainDamage> optical trasmission of a few w is doable, but the lens to couple with the fiber is going to be annoying, the efficiency also is going to be terrible, remember that commercial solar cells efficiency ranges from 10 to 20%
2017-07-25T21:08:27 < BrainDamage> so you're going to end up with lamps of 20W to deliver 2W assuming 0 transmission loss
2017-07-25T21:09:30 < englishman> poe is super cheap tho
2017-07-25T21:09:46 < BrainDamage> yeah, poe is going to be plain superior here
2017-07-25T21:11:25 < jpa-> kakimir: hook each end of the fiber to a motor / generator and just spin it around to transfer power
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2017-07-25T21:20:12 < Steffanx> but PoE with a connector that can get wet? Not so sure.
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2017-07-25T21:34:30 < gxti> there was a commercial vendor doing that but it was comically expensive (surprise)
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2017-07-25T22:25:46 < jpa-> pneumatic coupling would work also :P
2017-07-25T22:33:31 < Rob235> can you split an spi line to two sets of spi pins on the mcu? the lcd and sd card are sharing the same spi pins but if I use dma for the screen then the sd stops working so I want to put the sd on another set of pins
2017-07-25T22:33:45 < zyp> I remember I worked on an antenna tower once
2017-07-25T22:34:45 < zyp> the power to the red visibility lights on the tower used some sort of inductive coupling to isolate it
2017-07-25T22:35:21 < zyp> there were two rings with a diameter of 30cm or so inserted into each other
2017-07-25T22:38:19 < zyp> https://f2ww02x5trw2lgast1z5hu7i-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Austin-Ring-Transformer.jpg <- something like this, except I can't recall it had any sort of spark gap
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2017-07-25T22:52:59 < gxti> cute
2017-07-25T22:53:05 < englishman> cool
2017-07-25T22:53:24 < gxti> you'd think since it's actually just light *that* might be a good application for a fiber (or just lightpipe) gap
2017-07-25T22:54:59 < gxti> but i'm guessing that's an AM transmitter where the structure itself is the antenna, so it's done primarily for RF isolation purposes not lightning safety
2017-07-25T23:02:12 < zyp> yes
2017-07-25T23:02:48 < zyp> and the power have later been repurposed as a cell tower, with thick coax cables running directly without that elaborate isolation
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2017-07-25T23:02:55 < zyp> the tower*
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2017-07-26T00:57:17 < kakimir> !wz quebec
2017-07-26T00:57:18 < dieforirc> [Quebec Harbour, Canada] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 22°C. SSW wind: 6 kph. Humidity: 53%.
2017-07-26T00:57:46 < kakimir> !wz efku
2017-07-26T00:57:47 < dieforirc> [EFKU, Finland] Overcast. Temp is 12°C. Variable wind: 6 kph. Humidity: 100%.
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2017-07-26T01:00:20 < kakimir> actually I like it kind of
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2017-07-26T01:04:46 < kakimir> 22 is too much for work full clothed
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2017-07-26T02:07:23 < englishman> nah its gr8
2017-07-26T02:08:34 < englishman> not too hot not too cold
2017-07-26T02:08:38 < englishman> room temperature
2017-07-26T02:09:43 < kakimir> add infrared from sun
2017-07-26T02:14:50 < englishman> how else you going to get that red neck
2017-07-26T02:15:46 < englishman> never mind that's the other end of the spectrum
2017-07-26T02:15:58 < kakimir> ye
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2017-07-26T02:36:24 < jadew> englishman, interesing
2017-07-26T02:36:39 < jadew> I've been looking for a portable soldering iron, but I was leaning towards gas
2017-07-26T02:36:53 < englishman> i got a butane one a long time ago, hated it
2017-07-26T02:39:44 < dongs> once you thermaldongix you can't go back
2017-07-26T02:39:57 < englishman> not wireless tho
2017-07-26T02:40:18 < englishman> dong, which fuel gauge thingy did you use
2017-07-26T02:40:28 < englishman> how do they work accurately without shunt current sensing
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2017-07-26T02:49:26 < dongs> englishman: BQ20Z95
2017-07-26T02:49:31 < dongs> and no, i dont think it had shunts
2017-07-26T02:49:58 < dongs> it has temp sense
2017-07-26T02:51:06 < englishman> it does battery level by voltage alone?
2017-07-26T02:51:10 < tpw_rules> so many pins
2017-07-26T02:51:42 < dongs> englishman: and some magic(tm)
2017-07-26T02:51:49 < englishman> so you got the devboard and EV2300
2017-07-26T02:52:08 < englishman> how difficult was the characterization
2017-07-26T02:52:14 < dongs> anyway its an old project and its nrnd now, probly shouldnt use it
2017-07-26T02:52:14 < dongs> nope
2017-07-26T02:52:19 < dongs> just put it on a board and it worked
2017-07-26T02:52:32 < englishman> hm ok
2017-07-26T02:52:39 < englishman> ordered devkit for the big daddy
2017-07-26T02:54:44 < crt> <BIG-DADDY>
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2017-07-26T02:56:29 < crt> hi
2017-07-26T02:56:47 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/A9l79oE.gifv
2017-07-26T02:57:03 < tpw_rules> me irl
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2017-07-26T03:15:54 < crt> hi Laurenceb_
2017-07-26T03:16:59 < crt> the sodering iron salesman has been here
2017-07-26T03:17:00 < crt> http://i.imgur.com/RbLiUpA.jpg
2017-07-26T03:17:44 < tpw_rules> ooooooh
2017-07-26T03:21:41 < Laurenceb_> an iron is an iron to me
2017-07-26T03:21:48 < Laurenceb_> my server was taken away
2017-07-26T03:21:58 < Laurenceb_> hopefully I'm not in jail dude
2017-07-26T03:22:54 < crt> tendies
2017-07-26T03:23:16 < Laurenceb_> apparently it dude took it away in a trolley and said it had a virus
2017-07-26T03:23:23 < Laurenceb_> so prob not chris hanson
2017-07-26T03:23:48 < Laurenceb_> I "just" have to find his basement lair and hope he didnt chuck the hdd
2017-07-26T03:24:16 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/a/1YOFd
2017-07-26T03:24:57 < crt> cucked
2017-07-26T03:28:30 < crt> cuckery
2017-07-26T03:31:41 < Laurenceb_> WE WUZ CUCKED
2017-07-26T03:32:42 < Laurenceb_> joke is on them cuz all my ancestors were immigrants
2017-07-26T03:34:23 < Laurenceb_> >A man who robbed a Spar shop with a vacuum cleaner, causing armed police to scramble to the scene and schools to be put into lockdown, has been sent to prison.
2017-07-26T03:37:47 < crt> where
2017-07-26T03:38:57 < dongs> typical UK activity
2017-07-26T03:40:54 < crt> hmm
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2017-07-26T04:30:40 < Thorn> replaced __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ with __func__, saved 2KB of .rodata. wtf
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2017-07-26T04:37:22 < crt> i think its pretty
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2017-07-26T05:04:31 < crt> R3
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2017-07-26T05:29:15 < crt> what is it
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2017-07-26T05:33:43 < crt> what can you shoot
2017-07-26T05:36:09 < crt> so black people
2017-07-26T05:37:41 < crt> in that case you better make more rounds
2017-07-26T05:44:50 < emeb_mac> R2COM: got yourself a shotgun shack out in the desert?
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2017-07-26T05:46:51 < emeb_mac> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shotgun_shack
2017-07-26T05:48:38 < emeb_mac> R2COM: how you liking this monsoon season? Nice and humid.
2017-07-26T05:49:21 < emeb_mac> muh brazz iz all corroded
2017-07-26T06:11:43 < Rob235> R2COM: pretend you dont see this if you love suckling on old man balls
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2017-07-26T06:23:45 < crt> cool
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2017-07-26T07:10:56 < Rob235> so I copied this adafruit 8bit tft lcd library to mbed, if it works after a few modifications I'll be amazed
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2017-07-26T07:44:29 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/gallery/OtPcb sounds like ohsix
2017-07-26T07:50:22 < crt> welcome aandrew
2017-07-26T07:51:57 < crt> got any good stm action?
2017-07-26T07:52:10 < aandrew> not lately
2017-07-26T07:52:13 < crt> I'm back to repairing turntables :/
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2017-07-26T07:54:46 < crt> SFPAB18201K
2017-07-26T07:55:56 < crt> gotta suck a lot of dick to find cheap parts
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2017-07-26T07:56:51 < crt> fortunately for me customers with this equipment are never short on money
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2017-07-26T08:23:48 < LOMAS>  I am using STM32 system workbench and STM32f051 discovery board. My debugger is not proceeding on hitting step over and there is a warning on console : "Warn : keep_alive() was not invoked in the 1000ms timelimit. GDB alive packet not sent! (1123). Workaround: increase "set remotetimeout" in GDB". I could not tackle with it, any idea friends ?
2017-07-26T08:27:15 < dongs> you are using F0 and yet you're fucking yourself with gdb/eclipse?
2017-07-26T08:27:18 < dongs> just download FREE KEIL
2017-07-26T08:27:19 < dongs> and use pro tools
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2017-07-26T08:27:29 < dongs> http://www2.keil.com/stmicroelectronics-stm32/mdk
2017-07-26T08:27:34 < dongs> free, legal, and WORKS
2017-07-26T08:28:45 < LOMAS> dongs, I need
2017-07-26T08:28:50 < dongs> need what?
2017-07-26T08:29:09 < LOMAS> I need to use only GDB. No keil
2017-07-26T08:29:23 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2017-07-26T08:29:30 < LOMAS> I mean only GDB/Eclipse
2017-07-26T08:30:29 < LOMAS> I am desperate for solution withing gcc on eclipse, keil is not an option for now.
2017-07-26T08:34:02 < LOMAS> I am shutting down eclipse and restarting my PC to see whether problem solves or not.
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2017-07-26T08:35:57 < dongs> i hope you dont return
2017-07-26T08:37:52 < dan2wik> Why?
2017-07-26T08:38:33 < dan2wik> He was in #arduino asking about this so he probably will come back
2017-07-26T08:41:06 < dongs> tirrifying
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2017-07-26T10:01:43 < dongs> https://mega.nz/#!5MIUGLIC!Lp6ZlNH5kE4wJPJNgCtrtHtKwRYHyurf2Eaxgcb68TY
2017-07-26T10:01:52 < dongs> piece of software from winnt 3.51 that STILL WORKS ON WINDOWS 10
2017-07-26T10:01:57 < dongs> try this with any piece of lunix shit
2017-07-26T10:04:20 < crt> ohi
2017-07-26T10:04:27 < crt> we're going to have to delete pain though
2017-07-26T10:04:32 < crt> *paint
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2017-07-26T10:20:58 < Steffanx> Yeah, winn 3.51 stuff on lunix. Unlikely that will work
2017-07-26T10:21:07 < Steffanx> Or is WINE that good.
2017-07-26T10:21:24 < dongs> thats probably about the only thing wine could run more or less successfully
2017-07-26T10:21:45 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome crt. 🇹🇭🇹🇭
2017-07-26T10:25:47 < Steffanx> Sometimes i wonder if you ever get tired of yourself dongs.
2017-07-26T10:27:14 < dongs> tired doing what
2017-07-26T10:29:08 < Steffanx> Unsocial windows warrioring
2017-07-26T10:30:32 < crt> zdhsd
2017-07-26T10:30:34 < crt> lghjmdgf
2017-07-26T10:31:50 < Steffanx> Is that a try to write russian?
2017-07-26T10:32:16 < crt> nup just my replay
2017-07-26T10:32:22 < crt> reply
2017-07-26T10:32:40 < Steffanx> I see russians do that when they forget their keyboard setting, key or whatever they use to switv
2017-07-26T10:32:43 < Steffanx> Switch
2017-07-26T10:33:39 < Steffanx> Is national recone day soon?
2017-07-26T10:39:33 < crt> nope
2017-07-26T10:39:34 < crt> tomorrow
2017-07-26T10:45:29 < Steffanx> You need to sleep
2017-07-26T10:45:30 < crt> better spray it
2017-07-26T10:46:27 < crt> me?
2017-07-26T10:46:29 < crt> :D
2017-07-26T10:46:33 < Steffanx> Stroopwaffle ice.
2017-07-26T10:46:43 < crt> heh
2017-07-26T10:46:52 < Steffanx> No mr R2COM
2017-07-26T10:48:09 < crt> hmmm
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2017-07-26T11:44:43 < Thorn> https://github.com/pthorn/cortexm-usb-driver/commit/b2420d1fb215346e844e95a696d624c7ed853b15
2017-07-26T11:45:18 < Thorn> it enumerates and handles control transfers
2017-07-26T11:45:28 < Thorn> nonzero EPs TBD
2017-07-26T11:56:06 < Thorn> what experienced professional came up with these toggle-only bits in EPR
2017-07-26T11:56:23 < Thorn> you can't just EPR |= whatever; because of them
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2017-07-26T12:05:32 < zyp> Thorn, somebody who figured they wanted to save a couple of bits by not having separate set and clear bits
2017-07-26T12:05:35 < zyp> I figure
2017-07-26T12:06:27 < Thorn> why not just make them read/write, especially STAT_TX/STAT_RX
2017-07-26T12:07:34 < zyp> that should be obvious
2017-07-26T12:09:24 < zyp> you want to be able to write other parts of the register without changing STAT_RX/STAT_TX, otherwise you have a potential race condition due to the RMW
2017-07-26T12:09:53 < zyp> instead, you just mask out those fields so they won't be changed when you write
2017-07-26T12:10:36 < zyp> toggle bits are a bit weird to deal with, but they actually work properly
2017-07-26T12:11:29 < zyp> the weirdest part you could run into with the toggle bits is if you want to cancel a transfer, i.e. changing it away from VALID by software
2017-07-26T12:12:04 < Thorn> how do you set those fields to 11 (enable endpoint) without RMW? you basically need to read the current value, xor it and write back
2017-07-26T12:12:23 < Thorn> unless you're sure it was a NAK
2017-07-26T12:12:43 < zyp> I haven't claimed otherwise
2017-07-26T12:12:49 < Thorn> setting to anything other than VALID is even more interesting, yes
2017-07-26T12:13:40 < zyp> I'm just claiming that using toggle bits instead of rw bits avoids the race condition that a rmw would otherwise cause, not the rmw itself
2017-07-26T12:14:01 < ohsix> blender youtube channel posted a bunch of intro / tutorial content today
2017-07-26T12:14:55 < ohsix> fun thing about blender, regular people can just go get it; so they find out the ui is for artists and that it is bad
2017-07-26T12:15:08 < ohsix> heheh
2017-07-26T12:15:23 < ohsix> doesn't work like that with maya & junk, people buying it already know what's up
2017-07-26T12:21:42 < Thorn> the buses need to be extended to allow writing only certain bits into a memory location
2017-07-26T12:21:42 < Thorn> (where did bit banding go, IIRC it allowed that?)
2017-07-26T12:21:43 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BW_-mlYAMrs/
2017-07-26T12:21:43 < Thorn> or simply use the 4GB and have a register per each field which is a race hazard
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2017-07-26T12:47:12 < ohsix> did the internet go poop
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2017-07-26T12:49:42 < crt> Hello welcome!
2017-07-26T12:50:58 < crt> Is stfn here
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2017-07-26T13:05:51 < Steffanx> Do you want him to be stvvn?
2017-07-26T13:06:42 < crt> Yeah
2017-07-26T13:06:52 < crt> Get him on
2017-07-26T13:12:28 < Steffanx> Thank you Welcome!
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2017-07-26T13:13:13 < crt> Lol
2017-07-26T13:13:46 < crt> The amplifier mate
2017-07-26T13:14:22 < Steffanx> Is that the guy in the rose dress?
2017-07-26T13:14:46 < crt> Not sure
2017-07-26T13:16:14 < crt> Give us a look?
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2017-07-26T13:17:15 < Steffanx> Hell no
2017-07-26T13:17:21 < Steffanx> Crt knows
2017-07-26T13:17:41 < crt> Ah
2017-07-26T13:18:03 < crt> Is there a good YouTube channel for autistic amplifier
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2017-07-26T13:20:37 < crt> Trying to confuse you with fragmented nonsense isn't working today
2017-07-26T13:21:59 < Steffanx> Lol.  You are doing it wrong
2017-07-26T13:22:34 < Steffanx> You have to be serious and then suddenly do the nonsense thing
2017-07-26T13:24:59 < crt> I guess
2017-07-26T13:26:32 < Steffanx> Dont guess, be sure. Dont be a teapot.
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2017-07-26T13:30:27 < crt> Fucken intrnet
2017-07-26T13:33:03 < crt> Want a go?
2017-07-26T13:35:09 < crt> Bits
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2017-07-26T13:44:07 < Steffanx> Who needs internet?
2017-07-26T13:45:54 < crt> The llamas
2017-07-26T13:46:13 < zyp> what's an internet?
2017-07-26T13:47:11 < crt> A teapot magnet
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2017-07-26T14:35:27 < lomas> Isn't there a function for getting reciprocal number for float32 values like arm_recip_q31() in CMSIS DSP lib ?
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2017-07-26T14:41:14 < jpa-> lomas: why not just 1/x?
2017-07-26T14:41:46 < zyp> that would be too easy
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2017-07-26T14:44:28 < jpa-> hmm, didn't know that there exists lroundf()
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2017-07-26T14:48:13 < zyp> me neither, but I don't expect to know of every single libc function either
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2017-07-26T14:48:32 < jpa-> yeah, i just end up writing (int)roundf() sometimes
2017-07-26T14:48:46 < jpa-> which feels ugly
2017-07-26T14:49:04 < zyp> I'd probably write something like (int)(x + 0.5)
2017-07-26T14:49:34 < zyp> assuming I knew x wouldn't be negative
2017-07-26T14:55:28 < jpa-> *0.5f
2017-07-26T14:56:08 < jpa-> i have nightmares about forgetting f somewhere and everything being slow.. because it is like 20x slower on m4f
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2017-07-26T15:00:35 < zyp> you can always throw in the compiler flag that makes all double literals into float
2017-07-26T15:02:11 < zyp> -fsingle-precision-constant
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2017-07-26T15:32:13 < lomas> jpa-, yeah used 1/x in the end, result is as expected :)
2017-07-26T15:33:24 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, but then one cannot use double anywhere
2017-07-26T15:34:46 < zyp> jpa-, I thought that's what you wanted to avoid :)
2017-07-26T15:37:46 < lomas> oh oh, double is not required though.
2017-07-26T15:39:07 < lomas> I have been using lib functions to avoid rounding off errors so I wanted not to use bare calculation.
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2017-07-26T16:11:08 < dongs> omfg. i tried to -fuck-off-gcc-stuff
2017-07-26T16:11:18 < dongs> and it worked
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2017-07-26T16:13:13 < lomas> dongs, LOL, I moved to linux later on.
2017-07-26T16:17:33 < dongs> nice trolling bro
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2017-07-26T17:01:51 < kakimir> Steffanx: how much IO does that NRF51822 hase?
2017-07-26T17:01:55 < kakimir> does it have spi?
2017-07-26T17:02:38 < kakimir> I need 2 generic io plus SD-card plus rtc chip if not featured in NRF module
2017-07-26T17:04:13 < Steffanx> It has spi
2017-07-26T17:04:16 < Steffanx> It has uart
2017-07-26T17:04:20 < Steffanx> It has i2c
2017-07-26T17:04:35 < Steffanx> Mappable to the pins you want afaik
2017-07-26T17:05:22 < Steffanx> Im not sure how many io the tiny board has. I believe 8
2017-07-26T17:05:47 < kakimir> analog pins for battery level or so?
2017-07-26T17:06:02 < Steffanx> Make it 9
2017-07-26T17:06:24 < kakimir> nice
2017-07-26T17:06:39 < Steffanx> Dont forget it only has 16k ram, and part of it is for the stack/soft device
2017-07-26T17:06:52 < kakimir> and it has RTC
2017-07-26T17:06:58 < kakimir> does module have oscillator for it?
2017-07-26T17:07:22 < kakimir> on board
2017-07-26T17:07:22 < Steffanx> It does not have the 32khz osc.
2017-07-26T17:07:35 < Steffanx> There are modules that have it though
2017-07-26T17:07:41 < kakimir> :/
2017-07-26T17:08:08 < Steffanx> You see how tiny it is? No space :P
2017-07-26T17:08:14 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-26T17:08:28 < kakimir> usually 32khz is bigger than main oscillator
2017-07-26T17:10:02 < Steffanx> I dont know about the adc. It seems to have it, but dont know if its available on the outside
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2017-07-26T17:13:12 < kakimir> isn't it mappable
2017-07-26T17:13:17 < Steffanx> It seems some adc channels are available on thr outside
2017-07-26T17:14:05 < Steffanx> Google for the text on the back: nrf81522-s4at. It gives you a document with the chip pin numbers
2017-07-26T17:15:34 < kakimir> "wireless tag"
2017-07-26T17:17:58 < Steffanx> It has that on the back?!
2017-07-26T17:18:05 < kakimir> no
2017-07-26T17:18:09 < kakimir> datasgeet
2017-07-26T17:18:09 < Steffanx> Oh ok
2017-07-26T17:18:12 < Steffanx> Yes
2017-07-26T17:18:23 < kakimir> it is "wireless tag"
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2017-07-26T17:25:07 < Steffanx> Yes..
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2017-07-26T17:26:25 < Steffanx> Should have blogged about it. There are a few things you have to do, to run nrf examples
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2017-07-26T17:40:05 < Rob235> boioioing
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2017-07-26T17:56:42 < englishman> kakimir: just get a nrf51 devboard from waveshare/dongs they are cheap and have everything broken out
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2017-07-26T18:55:49 < englishman> cool, usb3.2 will offer 20gbps using all 4 high speed pairs
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2017-07-26T19:42:49 < Thorn> is there a requirement in the usb spec that IN and OUT EPs with the same # must have the same type?
2017-07-26T19:43:11 < Thorn> e.g. if EP 1 OUT is bulk EP 1 IN can only be bulk
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2017-07-26T19:49:07 < englishman> no, in fact i think i recall an example of this in the usb2 spec
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2017-07-26T19:50:24 < englishman> though maybe bulk is treated differently?
2017-07-26T19:50:30 < Thorn> the F0 core only has 1 type field per EP pair
2017-07-26T19:50:48 < englishman> mm, that may be a limitation of f0's IP then
2017-07-26T19:55:09 < englishman> yeah looking at F7 it has separate in/out endpoint configuration registers
2017-07-26T19:56:27 < Thorn> yes it has dwc_otg which does
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2017-07-26T20:04:08 < englishman> what's a dumb usb-c device i can buy to make sure usb-c is working on a computer
2017-07-26T20:04:14 < englishman> not getting vbus out of it
2017-07-26T20:05:03 < englishman> usb hub i guess
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2017-07-26T20:21:55 < Thorn> I guess you can have EP1 OUT and IN of different types on F0, you'll just have to use 2 hardware endpoints for that, not 1
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2017-07-26T20:41:23 < Rob235> Error: Object of abstract class type "TFT_8BIT_ILI9341" is not allowed in "main.cpp", Line: 13, Col: 19 WHYSSSS??
2017-07-26T21:06:17 < Thorn> these toggle-only bits require *very* careful handling. still catching bugs related to them
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2017-07-26T22:15:45 < Steffanx> Any altium pro around? I have this 4 pin button. I named the pins 1-4. Internally 1&2 and 3&4 are connected. How do i tell Altium this is the case?
2017-07-26T22:16:33 < Steffanx> Tried something google adviced with a jump id, but this seems to lead to issues when i leave it one of the pairs unconnected. It doesn't like one being connected to net X while the other is unconnected.
2017-07-26T22:17:10 < zyp> in my experience? just don't
2017-07-26T22:18:26 < gxti> i vaguely remember getting it to work once, it'd have to be via jumper ids
2017-07-26T22:19:47 < zyp> all methods I've seen of telling altium two pins are connected to the same net ends up with altium expecting both to be connected to each other on the board
2017-07-26T22:20:26 < gxti> nah, the whole point of jumper ids is that they're treated as physically connected. if you just do something like overlapping schematic pins it doesn't.
2017-07-26T22:20:40 < gxti> i don't have altium in front of me though so i can't confirm
2017-07-26T22:20:54 < zyp> well, I haven't tried that method
2017-07-26T22:21:01 < zyp> but it makes sense what you are saying
2017-07-26T22:21:08 < englishman> Steffanx: i draw the schematic symbol with 4 pins, and put jumpers in the schematic "inside" the component box
2017-07-26T22:21:24 < englishman> so it's obvious they are connected internally, but it's up to you if you want them connected externally
2017-07-26T22:21:36 < zyp> that's what I usually do
2017-07-26T22:21:42 < Steffanx> hmm
2017-07-26T22:21:55 < invzim> saw a video where listing out all pins were considered best practice
2017-07-26T22:22:01 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/ssey2xs.png
2017-07-26T22:22:12 < englishman> well better than that but you get the idea
2017-07-26T22:22:14 < Steffanx> Hehe that's ugly :P
2017-07-26T22:22:19 < gxti> that's not going to let you leave a pad unconnected in the pcb though
2017-07-26T22:22:25 < englishman> yeah it will
2017-07-26T22:22:28 < gxti> oh, never mind
2017-07-26T22:22:32 < englishman> as they are still independent pins according to altidumb
2017-07-26T22:22:32 < gxti> it's literally just a loose wire.
2017-07-26T22:22:38 < englishman> just a drawing objet
2017-07-26T22:22:39 < invzim> for the 4 button tact, I just decided to only use 2 pins...
2017-07-26T22:22:51 < englishman> in the sch symbol
2017-07-26T22:22:57 < invzim> and have no nets on two pads
2017-07-26T22:23:19 < invzim> no designator on two pads
2017-07-26T22:23:21 < gxti> you can do that i guess. the main place i've used jumpers recently is for the shield/chassis of a connector where a schematic representation of each individual pad would be kind of silly
2017-07-26T22:26:14 < Steffanx> Nah, for now i will just go ugly and connect the pins together in the schematic.
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2017-07-26T22:36:21 < zyp> gxti, I usually give all shield pads the SH designator
2017-07-26T22:37:22 < gxti> i use 0. but if they're not jumpered then i'll have to also make sure all of them are eletrically connected on the pcb, even though it's not functionally necessary. and sometimes i'm not even intending to electrically connect them.
2017-07-26T22:37:46 < zyp> if I don't intend to connect them, I don't give them a designator
2017-07-26T22:44:01 < englishman> heh, didn't know you could do that
2017-07-26T22:44:16 < englishman> so far this bq40z60 is dope
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2017-07-26T22:48:01 < zyp> looks like a fun part
2017-07-26T22:48:13 < zyp> but no balancing?
2017-07-26T22:48:19 < englishman> it does
2017-07-26T22:48:27 < englishman> i dono how it's doing current sensing without shunt sensors but it's quite accurate
2017-07-26T22:48:55 < zyp> ah, indeed it does
2017-07-26T22:49:07 < zyp> yeah, that looks like a fun part
2017-07-26T22:49:13 < zyp> what are you making?
2017-07-26T22:49:34 < englishman> these guys want to put 18650s in a device permanently
2017-07-26T22:49:50 < englishman> and have some battery health stuff plus "just connect charger" usability
2017-07-26T22:50:16 < zyp> «charger» as in «DC adapter»
2017-07-26T22:50:34 < englishman> yes
2017-07-26T22:50:52 < Steffanx> microusb?
2017-07-26T22:51:10 < zyp> unlikely, it's a multicell buck thing, 5V would be too low
2017-07-26T22:51:20 < Steffanx> pump it up :P
2017-07-26T22:52:20 < Steffanx> " SHA-1 Authentication" WUT?
2017-07-26T22:52:27 < zyp> battery DRM
2017-07-26T22:52:43 < englishman> yes
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2017-07-26T22:57:24 < gxti> that's advanced shit for a hardware engineer
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2017-07-26T23:01:24 < Steffanx> Gladly we're all just makers
2017-07-26T23:01:25 < Steffanx> we can do tha
2017-07-26T23:01:27 < Steffanx> tt
2017-07-26T23:05:05 < englishman> good thing im not an engineer
2017-07-26T23:07:21 < Steffanx> Certified Foxcon engineer...
2017-07-26T23:09:47 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07gHAmW91Cc
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2017-07-26T23:21:47 < englishman> ohh it does do shunt current sensing. NEVER MIND
2017-07-26T23:22:25 < invzim> yay, I made the news :)
2017-07-26T23:22:32 < englishman> cool
2017-07-26T23:22:33 < invzim> https://youtu.be/a99kvyLxNws?t=17m2s
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2017-07-26T23:44:23 < Steffanx> yay
2017-07-26T23:44:28 < Steffanx> 30 seconds of fame :D
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2017-07-27T00:03:22 < kakimir> Steffanx: how do you develop nrf?
2017-07-27T00:03:33 < kakimir> you download SDK or so?
2017-07-27T00:03:53 < kakimir> some sort of IDE?
2017-07-27T00:03:55 < aandrew> I've done a lot of nordic dev
2017-07-27T00:03:58 < kakimir> for nordic
2017-07-27T00:07:08 < zyp> they ship a keil trial
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2017-07-27T00:07:25 < aandrew> yep and then you're on keil like a crack whore
2017-07-27T00:07:40 < aandrew> blowing nerds for your next licence
2017-07-27T00:08:08 < kakimir> can you get the sdk without keil?
2017-07-27T00:08:15 < kakimir> and painless
2017-07-27T00:08:53 < aandrew> yep
2017-07-27T00:09:19 < aandrew> https://github.com/lab11/nrf5x-base
2017-07-27T00:09:33 < aandrew> regular old command line tools, works great with jlink too
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2017-07-27T00:13:29 < kakimir> sweet
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2017-07-27T00:26:32 < Rob235> grr how do you send a bus as a parameter (mbed)
2017-07-27T00:28:23 < Steffanx> I downloaded their sdk.
2017-07-27T00:28:38 < Steffanx> And just used make and sublime text kakimir
2017-07-27T00:29:41 < Steffanx> Im not sure which of their dev kit examples are closest to the tiny board
2017-07-27T00:30:16 < Steffanx> After upgrading the soft device and adjusting the memory size in the ld script it all works
2017-07-27T00:30:57 < Steffanx> Let me get back to you want you want my examples.
2017-07-27T00:31:15 < Steffanx> Cant so that right now, will be tomorrow evening
2017-07-27T00:40:41 < Steffanx> do*
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2017-07-27T01:53:21 < Laurenceb_> >"Great" Shitain
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2017-07-27T02:05:01 < crt> Teapot
2017-07-27T02:08:29 < crt> Hi stffn
2017-07-27T02:15:21 < jadew> any ideas on trust worthy PCBA services?
2017-07-27T02:16:04 < jadew> in order to assemble PCBs for the purpose of selling them, I'll need a dedicated space and a lot of permits
2017-07-27T02:17:21 < jadew> it would definitely be simpler to just outsource the whole thing, but I'm going to deal with low quantities and I don't want to make it super easy to be cloned
2017-07-27T02:18:56 < crt> The dogs and their cloning
2017-07-27T02:19:26 < crt> Use dong services for all pcb
2017-07-27T02:19:49 < crt> I would
2017-07-27T02:20:35 < crt> Not even pumping
2017-07-27T02:20:46 < jadew> I didn't know he's for hire. Also, I may not be able to afford his services
2017-07-27T02:21:03 < crt> Only one way to find out
2017-07-27T02:21:06 < jadew> dongs, how much do you charge?
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2017-07-27T02:42:23 < englishman> hello, welcome to englishman quick turn pcba co
2017-07-27T02:50:49 < dongs> ^
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2017-07-27T03:09:18 < jadew> do you guys do that for other people, for money?
2017-07-27T03:54:49 < upgrdman> wtf. why does the stm driver need to be installed when using an stm32f4 as vcp? i thought the whole point of usb-cdc classes was to not need vendor drivers.
2017-07-27T03:55:09 < upgrdman> this was my problem all along, lol. i just needed to install the damn driver.
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2017-07-27T04:02:50 < upgrdman_> emeb_mac, you around
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2017-07-27T04:03:18 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: yep
2017-07-27T04:03:26 < upgrdman> iirc youve done f0 usb vcp
2017-07-27T04:03:33 < upgrdman> did you have to install the stm driver?
2017-07-27T04:04:00 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: you mean on the PC host
2017-07-27T04:04:07 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-27T04:04:10 < upgrdman> window10 driver
2017-07-27T04:06:53 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: nope - never used that. I've only talked to it with a linux system using std ttyUSB0 driver
2017-07-27T04:07:13 < upgrdman> weird
2017-07-27T04:07:31 < upgrdman> on win10 i get yellow triangle in device manager unless i install the driver. then it works perfectly.
2017-07-27T04:07:42 < upgrdman> have not tried on linux or mac yet
2017-07-27T04:08:03 < upgrdman> im using an f429, not an f0, but their usb periph is prolly similar
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2017-07-27T04:13:05 < emeb_mac> at the driver level, probably
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2017-07-27T05:18:38 < englishman> dongs, did you get my email, could you forward that pretty plz :)
2017-07-27T05:19:59 < englishman> upgrdman: if it enumerates as CDC properly, win10 should use the microsoft included USB-CDC driver
2017-07-27T05:20:19 < upgrdman> englishman, it was enum'ing
2017-07-27T05:20:29 < englishman> earlier versions of windows needed a driver for each vid/pid
2017-07-27T05:21:17 < upgrdman> and i tried the search-win-update-for-driver thinggy and windows couldnt auto find a driver
2017-07-27T05:28:07 < englishman> weird
2017-07-27T05:30:03 < upgrdman> anyone know a cheap wifi+bt module that can do >30Mbps over wifi?
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2017-07-27T05:30:22 < upgrdman> im leaning toward some bluegiga stuff, but if anyone knows some other modules...
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2017-07-27T05:33:58 < upgrdman> oh the bluegiga stuff i bookmarked was wifi only
2017-07-27T05:45:22 < dongs> i did man its in progress
2017-07-27T05:45:43 < englishman> thx
2017-07-27T05:55:04 < dongs> upgrdman: i heard lantronix wifi modules are super cheap in UK
2017-07-27T05:55:26 < upgrdman> dongs, do they have wifi+bt modules?
2017-07-27T05:55:45 < dongs> no im fucking joking (zano), lantronix is fucking garbage
2017-07-27T05:55:52 < upgrdman> lol k
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2017-07-27T05:56:11 < upgrdman> also wtf, most of the datasheets for these modules dont explain the communication protocol
2017-07-27T05:56:35 < upgrdman> like "use sdio or spi or uart" ... but WTF DO I SHIT ONTO THOSE BUSES TO MAKE TEH PACKETZ
2017-07-27T06:01:01 < upgrdman> also, god damn the LCDs are shit here in my cn office
2017-07-27T06:01:11 < upgrdman> ghosting for maybe 30ms
2017-07-27T06:01:22 < upgrdman> and a CRI of prolly <20
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2017-07-27T06:07:36 < dongs> upgrdman: mopst people using wifi over sdio are using a real os
2017-07-27T06:07:40 < dongs> wchih already has drivers for the stuff.
2017-07-27T06:07:43 < dongs> sdio is jsut a transport
2017-07-27T06:07:48 < upgrdman> k
2017-07-27T06:08:01 < upgrdman> ya i know what sdio is
2017-07-27T06:08:21 < upgrdman> but does that mean there are standard commands OSes uses to talk to these?
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2017-07-27T06:08:55 < upgrdman> it weird that the ESP32 is seeming like a good option... but wtf, using espressif if a non-maker project feels dirty.
2017-07-27T06:11:23 < dongs> not using cortex-m for their "ng' thing pretty much removed them from consideration permanently
2017-07-27T06:11:32 < dongs> garbage cpu, garbage periphs
2017-07-27T06:11:38 < dongs> and only "wide" support is a fucking arduino ide
2017-07-27T06:11:40 < dongs> get fucked
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2017-07-27T06:36:59 < aandrew> sup dongs
2017-07-27T06:38:36 < dongs> not much just powerblogging
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2017-07-27T07:01:18 < dongs> unfunny
2017-07-27T07:03:49 < dongs> so who's the faggot
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2017-07-27T08:12:20 < upgrdman> reading an stm doc on their wifi module ... "AT+S.HTTPPOST: issue an HTTP POST" ... so close. was hoping it was AT+SHITPOST
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2017-07-27T08:15:12 < dongs> lol'd
2017-07-27T08:16:01 < Thorn> SHITPOST is an IRC command
2017-07-27T08:18:21 < upgrdman> :/ they never say how fast the UART can be go  http://www.st.com/en/wireless-connectivity/spwf01sc.html
2017-07-27T08:18:44 < upgrdman> would suck if it was like "115200, that's it. hope you're just sending text files."
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2017-07-27T08:52:33 < upgrdman> R2COM, how often do you drop your phone
2017-07-27T08:53:07 < upgrdman> i must be weird. i dont drop my electronics very often, and i've never broken a screen (or any other part)
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2017-07-27T09:07:05 < ohsix> http://blog.wizsec.jp/2017/07/breaking-open-mtgox-1.html
2017-07-27T09:07:47 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul me neither
2017-07-27T09:08:27 < ohsix> peoples dicks don't go flying out onto the ground
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2017-07-27T09:54:02 < Steffanx> Hi crt
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2017-07-27T09:59:21 < dongs> upgrdman: STM32 ARM Cortex-M3, with 64 KB RAM and 512 KB Flash memory
2017-07-27T09:59:22 < dongs> 1 MB extended Flash available on SPWF01Sx.1y
2017-07-27T09:59:28 < dongs> its a F20x
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2017-07-27T09:59:39 < dongs> so it goes as fast as f2
2017-07-27T09:59:56 < dongs> anyway
2017-07-27T10:00:00 < upgrdman> dongs, ya but how do i pick the baud rate. or change it
2017-07-27T10:00:01 < dongs> modules to mcu is always gonna be fail
2017-07-27T10:00:02 < dongs> like zano
2017-07-27T10:00:06 < upgrdman> i see no AT cmd for that
2017-07-27T10:00:32 < ohsix> butts
2017-07-27T10:00:34 < upgrdman> dongs, well theres no stm32 with wifi periph internal, so you saying to use something else?
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2017-07-27T10:04:27 < dongs> zyp, did i ever bill you for arcin
2017-07-27T10:05:08 < Steffanx> Lol.
2017-07-27T10:07:39 < ohsix> upgrdman: wat are you up to with that wifi junk
2017-07-27T10:08:38 < upgrdman> ohsix, work stuff. xray related.
2017-07-27T10:08:43 < ohsix> nice
2017-07-27T10:08:48 < upgrdman> cant go into much detail
2017-07-27T10:08:52 < upgrdman> at least not yet
2017-07-27T10:09:18 < ohsix> going to be putting esp8266 into a thing and i'm worried how reliable it'll be with some of the sores not being available over years of runtime
2017-07-27T10:10:16 < upgrdman> as usual, i brought my mechanical keyboard to cn
2017-07-27T10:10:34 < upgrdman> i keep waking up my coworkers during their after-lunch naps
2017-07-27T10:10:38 < upgrdman> i kinda feel bad
2017-07-27T10:10:40 < ohsix> ahh in cn again?
2017-07-27T10:10:45 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-27T10:11:00 < ohsix> did you see blender posted a bunch of intro material on their youtub yesterday
2017-07-27T10:11:14 < ohsix> i'm gonna watch & do this weekend, it looks like a nice progression
2017-07-27T10:11:14 < upgrdman> i didnt
2017-07-27T10:11:26 < upgrdman> yt is blocked, and vpn is slow
2017-07-27T10:11:36 < ohsix> if blender has some first party stuff like that i can start telling people to  use it :p
2017-07-27T10:11:38 < ohsix> ah
2017-07-27T10:11:49 < upgrdman> if i wake up early (before sunrise) than i get enough bandwidth to watch yt vids
2017-07-27T10:11:58 < upgrdman> but im too lazy to wake up early just for yt
2017-07-27T10:12:14 < upgrdman> link to vid?
2017-07-27T10:12:18 < dongs> are you back in china?
2017-07-27T10:12:24 < upgrdman> dongs, ya
2017-07-27T10:12:30 < dongs> nice
2017-07-27T10:12:32 < upgrdman> and going to london soon
2017-07-27T10:12:33 < dongs> how long?
2017-07-27T10:12:52 < upgrdman> 4 days in london, maybe another 3-5 weeks in cn
2017-07-27T10:13:11 < dongs> i found a nice paypal scam to go to HK for like $180 roundtrip
2017-07-27T10:13:16 < dongs> (flight)
2017-07-27T10:13:21 < dongs> and then liek $20 train to shitzen
2017-07-27T10:13:21 < upgrdman> not bad
2017-07-27T10:13:23 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: you can youtube-dl videos with ease, just python interpreter is needed and then you can batch-download or whatever.
2017-07-27T10:13:33 < dongs> oh right but youre in failshangbhai
2017-07-27T10:13:33 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, ya i do that :)
2017-07-27T10:13:39 < upgrdman> dongs, ya
2017-07-27T10:13:48 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/Q5FGUnM.png
2017-07-27T10:13:51 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, problem is the internet is so unreliable
2017-07-27T10:14:04 < upgrdman> i need to try syncthing and see how tolerant of shit it is
2017-07-27T10:14:15 < ohsix> upgrdman: that's just a shot of some of the stuff they uploaded
2017-07-27T10:14:24 < upgrdman> or give up and write my own app to shuffle shit around in small packets with infinite reties
2017-07-27T10:14:42 < upgrdman> ohsix, nice.
2017-07-27T10:14:47 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kes2qmijy7w here's their first steps video, it's only a minute long
2017-07-27T10:14:53 < upgrdman> ohsix, whats the channel name? just blender?
2017-07-27T10:15:14 < dongs> #blender4autists
2017-07-27T10:15:14 < upgrdman> bookmarked
2017-07-27T10:15:24 < upgrdman> i'll binge watch some when in london
2017-07-27T10:15:33 < ohsix> i'm not watching until this weekend, so i don't know if it's garbage yet ;] it's the blender foundation youtube channel ya
2017-07-27T10:15:36 < dongs> i'm in jewK around october i think
2017-07-27T10:15:40 < upgrdman> and yt-download a few dozen gigs for my time back in cn
2017-07-27T10:16:11 < upgrdman> dongs, ive never been to HK
2017-07-27T10:16:14 < ohsix> huh dillon gu was an animator for roosterteeth
2017-07-27T10:16:17 < upgrdman> i assume in like china, but 1st world?
2017-07-27T10:16:29 < ohsix> i guess this means he was using blender
2017-07-27T10:17:38 < ohsix> who else is in the uk, i could fly there for a meatup
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2017-07-27T10:17:56 < upgrdman> ohsix, trollenceb is in the uk
2017-07-27T10:17:59 < upgrdman> not sure who else
2017-07-27T10:18:24 < upgrdman> i also get to troll Dubai for a few hours while i wait for my connect flight
2017-07-27T10:18:27 < ohsix> europe is all connected, people could turn out
2017-07-27T10:18:50 < ohsix> how did you do that? search for sensored stuff on their wifi?
2017-07-27T10:19:02 < upgrdman> do what?
2017-07-27T10:19:27 < ohsix> troll dubai
2017-07-27T10:19:44 < upgrdman> im not trolling them yet
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2017-07-27T10:19:58 < upgrdman> i'll be trolling Dubai for a few hours while i wait for my connect flight
2017-07-27T10:20:04 < ohsix> ya i see
2017-07-27T10:20:07 < upgrdman> im going shanghai > dubai > london
2017-07-27T10:20:18 < upgrdman> prolly cause cheaper than nonstop
2017-07-27T10:21:55 < dongs> i was in dumbbai for like 4 days
2017-07-27T10:22:07 < dongs> evening walks after 8pm = still ~40C temp
2017-07-27T10:22:09 < dongs> GOOD LUCK
2017-07-27T10:22:19 < dongs> tho you'll be in the airport so you probly wont notice
2017-07-27T10:23:34 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-27T10:23:44 < upgrdman> i checked the weather, 123F ... fuck that
2017-07-27T10:23:55 < upgrdman> at least its not too humid, but still. fuck that.
2017-07-27T10:24:06 < dongs> anyway i walked around ~20km in the evenings there
2017-07-27T10:24:08 < dongs> was great
2017-07-27T10:24:12 < upgrdman> dongs, does dubai filter their internet
2017-07-27T10:24:16 < dongs> yes
2017-07-27T10:24:19 < dongs> you'll be fukd
2017-07-27T10:24:24 < upgrdman> no google?
2017-07-27T10:24:28 < dongs> also buying simcards is kinda weird
2017-07-27T10:24:35 < dongs> there's google, its fine
2017-07-27T10:24:37 < dongs> there's no .il sites
2017-07-27T10:24:39 < upgrdman> need assport to buy sim?
2017-07-27T10:24:46 < dongs> *.jew is blank banned
2017-07-27T10:24:49 < upgrdman> lol @ no il
2017-07-27T10:24:57 < dongs> yes, they scan your passport into some scammy machine
2017-07-27T10:25:10 < dongs> and then you ahve to put the fucking sim into your phone to activate. i was like nah nigga, put it in YOUR phone
2017-07-27T10:25:26 < upgrdman> why is that weird?
2017-07-27T10:25:29 < dongs> anyway, if youre in the airport just use free wifi, it works
2017-07-27T10:25:32 < upgrdman> like they want to hold your phone?
2017-07-27T10:25:36 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-27T10:25:37 < dongs> upgrdman: whyt would i want a sim in a phone, if im just gonna use it with wifi egg thing
2017-07-27T10:25:44 < upgrdman> oh
2017-07-27T10:25:49 < upgrdman> you're an egger
2017-07-27T10:25:51 < upgrdman> ok
2017-07-27T10:25:57 < dongs> in KR/TW i just buy a sim and it works in 10 seconds
2017-07-27T10:26:11 < dongs> you ever cahnged a sim in a regular phone? you get logged out of all google services and shit
2017-07-27T10:26:14 < dongs> its a pain in teh fucking ass
2017-07-27T10:26:19 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-27T10:26:25 < upgrdman> but you reboot phone and don
2017-07-27T10:26:27 < upgrdman> done
2017-07-27T10:26:27 < dongs> my pals S8 wanted to do a factory reset to use sandnigger sim
2017-07-27T10:26:29 < upgrdman> like 30 seconds
2017-07-27T10:26:35 < upgrdman> lol rly?
2017-07-27T10:26:37 < dongs> yeah
2017-07-27T10:26:59 < upgrdman> my note5 duos just bitchs and wants to reboot if i pull sim tray when powered on.
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2017-07-27T10:27:20 < ohsix> sim card is a pretty trusted slot
2017-07-27T10:27:38 < ohsix> aside from the stuff a sim card can just do to the host, it can also exploit it
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2017-07-27T10:31:09 < dongs> but anyway, you STILL get logged out of all google shits once youswap sim
2017-07-27T10:31:14 < dongs> so its a bitch to relogin into everything
2017-07-27T10:31:14 < ohsix> sim can make calls and send texts you can't see, under the control of the phone network olol
2017-07-27T10:32:07 < upgrdman> dongs, so when youre traveling you dont make voice calls? just use wifi egg?
2017-07-27T10:32:08 < dongs> upgrdman: https://www.idmobile.co.uk/shop/plans/sim-only-deals and this is pretty good for UK internets
2017-07-27T10:32:16 < dongs> upgrdman: ueahj what, i dont make voice calls like ever
2017-07-27T10:32:23 < upgrdman> k
2017-07-27T10:32:32 < dongs> all teh japs/etc use LINE or telegram or whatever shite
2017-07-27T10:32:35 < upgrdman> ya i'll have wifi provided by my emplyer when in the uk
2017-07-27T10:32:38 < upgrdman> prolly via sim
2017-07-27T10:33:06 < upgrdman> well data, not wifi
2017-07-27T10:33:14 < upgrdman> and wifi at the hotel and workplace
2017-07-27T10:33:43 < dongs> but how are you gonna internets while you walk to your office
2017-07-27T10:33:53 < upgrdman> sim with data
2017-07-27T10:34:02 < dongs> oh ok. missed that part
2017-07-27T10:34:14 < upgrdman> and my phone is dual sim, so very convenient
2017-07-27T10:34:27 < ohsix> https://youtu.be/bDRCWnsFnC4 die jobs, die
2017-07-27T10:34:33 < dongs> yea maybe dual sim shit is less jewish with swpaping stuff.
2017-07-27T10:34:51 < ohsix> don't agree with it, but i'm understanding a dislike of technology in general, anything cool is going to take someones job
2017-07-27T10:35:21 < ohsix> press/writers/anecdotes don't really ever say why a person is skeptical of technological improvement, just point out their position
2017-07-27T10:36:30 < ohsix> love how that robot is slow as shit, but still 3x faster than expert bricklayer
2017-07-27T10:37:59 < upgrdman> dongs, ya i need get kicked off of google when adding a sim card
2017-07-27T10:38:04 < upgrdman> s/need/never
2017-07-27T10:38:24 < ohsix> nefarious
2017-07-27T10:38:43 < ohsix> sim card can configure how you reach the ip network too
2017-07-27T10:38:52 < ohsix> so they could mitm shit if they wanted, really easily
2017-07-27T10:39:03 < upgrdman> fwiw: china sim cards expire after 90 days of inactivity. and im told they are tied to the owner, so if it expired its a BITCH to unlock their account
2017-07-27T10:39:14 < upgrdman> i kept my work sim for ~half year while in the usa :) oops
2017-07-27T10:40:25 < upgrdman> at least the subway/metro cards last for 2 years before expriing
2017-07-27T10:40:59 < ohsix> what's the point of an expiration scheme?
2017-07-27T10:41:21 < ohsix> oh nm you already stated a good reason
2017-07-27T10:41:29 < ohsix> disenrolling inactive cards
2017-07-27T10:41:34 < upgrdman> ohsix, well i understand expiring them to encourse a use-it-or-loose-it, but they lock the owners account, which is a dick move
2017-07-27T10:41:52 < ohsix> ya that sux
2017-07-27T10:41:57 < upgrdman> like the cn citizen that has the expired sim HAS TO unfuck their account before theyre allowed to buy a new sim
2017-07-27T10:42:11 < upgrdman> prolly so the communists can exert mroe control over their ppl
2017-07-27T10:42:14 < ohsix> i'm thinking people throw phones out with a sim that's still valid/useful more than non-payment and shiz
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2017-07-27T10:42:29 < ohsix> poop, irc is fun
2017-07-27T10:42:34 < ohsix> can't be up late tho, later
2017-07-27T10:42:40 < upgrdman> see ya
2017-07-27T10:44:48 < upgrdman> its kinda weird seeing ad revenue random come from some old ass youtube video
2017-07-27T10:45:16 < upgrdman> like a vdieo where i was playing with my boost converter and not talking or anything, and i'll get like $0.05 from it randomly
2017-07-27T10:45:36 < upgrdman> someone must have clicks and ad and bought some junk
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2017-07-27T11:08:16 < zyp> dongs, idk, I don't think I've paid
2017-07-27T11:08:52 < zyp> I know I still owe you money, but I'd have to look up exactly what for
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2017-07-27T11:19:20 < crt> stffn
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2017-07-27T11:20:02 < dongs> oh
2017-07-27T11:20:06 < dongs> i see i sent you shit on april 10
2017-07-27T11:20:55 < dongs> and maybe something for EV trash
2017-07-27T11:21:02 < dongs> whcih im sure you havent even touched
2017-07-27T11:24:59 < crt> Dirty
2017-07-27T11:25:16 < dongs> https://github.com/HubertD/candleLight/blob/master/export/v1.1/pdf/candleLight-v1.1.pdf
2017-07-27T11:25:21 < dongs> why do kikecad schematics look so gross
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2017-07-27T11:36:02 < crt> Cause they're free
2017-07-27T11:36:10 < dongs> http://www.dreamsourcelab.com/ is this the chinq logic analoyzer
2017-07-27T11:36:17 < dongs> or somethign else
2017-07-27T11:36:20 < dongs> i see dickstarer
2017-07-27T11:36:21 < dongs> DSONano etc
2017-07-27T11:36:23 < dongs> is that related?
2017-07-27T11:36:24 < dongs> or different
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2017-07-27T11:47:47 < dongs> https://www.wired.com/story/the-drone-company-that-fell-to-earth/ LOL
2017-07-27T11:56:45 < crt> Lol
2017-07-27T11:56:54 < crt> What a packet
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2017-07-27T12:14:15 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome.
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2017-07-27T12:38:26 < dongs> https://gist.github.com/turingbirds/5fa6275781232c1c4e563a43c4042bf2 wow zyp would probly jizz at this
2017-07-27T12:38:40 < dongs> its liek 2-3 of the gayest python things combined
2017-07-27T12:39:49 < zyp> that looks a bit like the shit I did for reports in uni
2017-07-27T12:41:23 < zyp> did some filter shit, then wrote a python script to generate graphs for it
2017-07-27T12:41:32 < dongs> yeah that dude is going on like 10th year of being a student
2017-07-27T12:41:42 < dongs> i was mostly referring to .py part
2017-07-27T12:43:05 < zyp> one time I were too lazy to connect up the design and do measurements, so I had the script take the calculated graph, add some random "measurement inaccuracy" to it, then plot it as measurements next to the calculated graph
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2017-07-27T12:46:01 < zyp> ah, found it
2017-07-27T12:46:02 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/e6DvY
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2017-07-27T13:06:28 < crt> give me a piece
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2017-07-27T13:14:07 < LOMAS> " arm_copy_f32(&fooStruct.f32_arry1[3], f32_arry, 3); " This is driving the program towards hardware fault. I am a newbie and I feel okay regrading this. Please help me know where I am wrong.
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2017-07-27T13:14:53 < daey> zyp: two days later the Discovery exploded.
2017-07-27T13:15:06 < LOMAS> inside the fooStruct f32_arry1 is defined as float32_t * f32_arry1
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2017-07-27T13:15:47 < zyp> LOMAS, what are you trying to do?
2017-07-27T13:16:40 < LOMAS> I am trying to copy 3 f32 values from f32_arry1 to f32_arry.
2017-07-27T13:20:40 < LOMAS> zyp, do you see anything wrong ? any suggestions ?
2017-07-27T13:20:40 < dongs> https://medium.freecodecamp.org/a-hacker-stole-31m-of-ether-how-it-happened-and-what-it-means-for-ethereum-9e5dc29e33ce lol buttcoin
2017-07-27T13:21:55 < crt> oh mr dongs
2017-07-27T13:23:13 < crt> did you scare mr stffn away?
2017-07-27T13:37:20 < dongs> logger(1879048192, "[%s]_%d eeeeeeeeeeeee \n", "linukal_queue.c", 1143);
2017-07-27T13:37:39 < dongs> where's laurence/b/
2017-07-27T13:39:04 < crt> well
2017-07-27T13:39:07 < crt> time in uk?
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2017-07-27T13:39:18 < crt> 1139
2017-07-27T13:39:29 < crt> i think his computer got seized
2017-07-27T13:39:32 < crt> cp raid i guess
2017-07-27T13:42:00 < Chris_M|2> ?
2017-07-27T13:43:05 < crt> yeah mate
2017-07-27T13:43:34 < crt> his excessive channing mate
2017-07-27T13:45:53 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome!
2017-07-27T13:49:27 < crt> have room? lets fuck
2017-07-27T14:07:36 < Lux> LOMAS: you probably want to get rid of [3]
2017-07-27T14:08:18 < Lux> then it might work or just use memcpy
2017-07-27T14:25:56 < LOMAS> Lux, I have an index instead of 3. I also tried arm_copy_f32((fooStruct.f32_arry1 + index), f32_arry, 3)
2017-07-27T14:26:38 < LOMAS> Index goes 0, 3, 6 and so on
2017-07-27T14:27:23 < Lux> ah ok, then it should be ok with [3]
2017-07-27T14:27:34 < Lux> i just never used that function
2017-07-27T14:28:13 < dongs>  um
2017-07-27T14:28:45 < LOMAS> memcpy might also work, rather it copies bite-wise. Main thing here is I am trying to stay within CMSIS DSP.
2017-07-27T14:28:55 < LOMAS> *byte
2017-07-27T14:29:38 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Xct6AG37.html
2017-07-27T14:29:40 < Lux> memcpy ( &dest, &source, sizeof(float)*x );
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2017-07-27T14:30:46 < dongs> this may answer your questions
2017-07-27T14:31:05 < LOMAS> dongs, you mean the memcpy ?
2017-07-27T14:31:16 < dongs> LOMAS: i pasted source to arm_copy_f32()
2017-07-27T14:31:21 < dongs> its nothing magical except it works on 4 floats at once
2017-07-27T14:31:25 < dongs> probably for matrix copeis or whatever.
2017-07-27T14:31:31 < dongs> so your '3' there means its trying to copy 12 of them
2017-07-27T14:31:42 < dongs> undoubtedly trashing  your array
2017-07-27T14:31:47 < LOMAS> dongs, yes
2017-07-27T14:32:01 < crt> pizza niggers or dominiggers
2017-07-27T14:32:06 < dongs> just fucking int cocks = 3; while (cocks--) *dst++ = *src++;
2017-07-27T14:32:18 < dongs> or just literally do assignment
2017-07-27T14:32:21 < dongs> that function is not any faster
2017-07-27T14:33:28 < LOMAS> all right
2017-07-27T14:35:53 < dongs>  * Copies sample by sample from source vector to destination vector.
2017-07-27T14:35:54 < dongs> yeah
2017-07-27T14:35:55 < dongs> 'vector'
2017-07-27T14:35:58 < dongs> so its a 4fp vector
2017-07-27T14:56:28 < aandrew> dongs: interesting, have you tried a real compiler that can recognize this optimization and do vectorization automatically?
2017-07-27T14:59:15 < dongs> aandrew: of course.
2017-07-27T14:59:26 < dongs> aandrew: thats why cmsis ships with .lib versions of these
2017-07-27T14:59:34 < dongs> cuz they're built with a proper compiler
2017-07-27T14:59:37 < dongs> with proper optimizations
2017-07-27T14:59:41 < dongs> the sores is there for reference
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2017-07-27T15:03:10 < Thorn> is there even vectorization for floats (or ints) in cortex-m
2017-07-27T15:03:20 < dongs> there's something
2017-07-27T15:03:50 < LOMAS> there is for float so far I know.
2017-07-27T15:03:54 < Thorn> for int16_t iirc
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2017-07-27T15:09:46 < Thorn> my f0 usb driver has some weird race condition. it seems to intermittently ignore get string descriptor requests (no idea why those specifically, the F4 driver with the same code for control transfer and standard requests doesn't have this problem)
2017-07-27T15:10:19 < Thorn> zyp send usb analyzer kthx plz
2017-07-27T15:18:26 < zyp> haha
2017-07-27T15:19:07 < zyp> if you have something that can be loaded on a f072 disco and easily reproduced, I can give that a try later if you want
2017-07-27T15:25:13 < zyp> if it's a timing issue, the reason it manifests on string descriptor requests might be because they are usually requested right after the configuration
2017-07-27T15:33:19 < dongs> f0 is pretty slow
2017-07-27T15:33:24 < dongs> especially compiled wiht gcc
2017-07-27T15:33:29 < dongs> try buiding your code with free keil f0 :)
2017-07-27T15:33:42 < Thorn> does it do c++11
2017-07-27T15:33:46 < dongs> yes
2017-07-27T15:34:01 < dongs> arv6 compielr = clang :(
2017-07-27T15:34:06 < dongs> so all the garbage clang does
2017-07-27T15:34:09 < dongs> + arm awesomeness
2017-07-27T15:34:29 < Thorn> what reproduces it is xusb from libusb. it requests all string descriptors one after another
2017-07-27T15:34:48 < Thorn> >clang :(
2017-07-27T15:35:10 < Thorn> clang has best c++ support and best diagnostics in the industry
2017-07-27T15:35:53 < Thorn> I never had problems during enumeration (but maybe the os drivers retry their requests)
2017-07-27T15:37:10 < Thorn> I need to re-read the text part of the usb chapter in the RM when I'm not as tired
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2017-07-27T15:48:30 < dongs> Louis Beaudoin committed on Sep 11, 2014
2017-07-27T15:53:22 < aandrew> dongs: if that is the src then it's not optimizing
2017-07-27T15:53:30 < dongs> it is
2017-07-27T15:53:37 < dongs> keil will do the right thing
2017-07-27T15:54:53 < aandrew> I'm talking about -funsafe-math-optimizations -ffast-math -ftree-vectorize
2017-07-27T15:55:00 < aandrew> on gcc that will make the compiler do the shit for you
2017-07-27T15:59:23 < aandrew> for (j = 0; j < num_coeff; j++) { acc += (*coeff_p++) * (*in_p--);
2017-07-27T15:59:23 < aandrew> }
2017-07-27T15:59:45 < aandrew> I'm doing shit like that and it's doing the right thing
2017-07-27T16:00:18 < dongs> sorry to hear that
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2017-07-27T16:04:58 < Rob235> can fusion 360 do any kind of inverse kinematics?
2017-07-27T16:05:35 < aandrew> does that func you pasted specify a minium len of 4?
2017-07-27T16:06:35 < aandrew> < Thorn> what reproduces it is xusb from libusb. it requests all string descriptors one after another
2017-07-27T16:06:50 < aandrew> definitely sounds timing related. are you doing anything odd in the USB request servicing that might slow shit down?
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2017-07-27T16:21:59 < englishman> STM32Cube low-layer (LL) APIs, a light-weight, optimized, expert-oriented set of APIs designed for both performance and runtime efficiency, are now fully deployed across all existing STM32 series. Usable in standalone or in parallel with STM32Cube HALs (with a few restrictions), they also offer an easy migration path from the STM32 standard peripheral libraries,
2017-07-27T16:22:04 < englishman> \o/
2017-07-27T16:22:19 < dongs> oh, i should try updating cube
2017-07-27T16:22:34 < dongs> does cube autoupdate itself
2017-07-27T16:22:43 < dongs> mm yes
2017-07-27T16:23:07 < dongs> Added support for code generation using the low-layer libraries for the STM32L1 Series.
2017-07-27T16:23:11 < dongs> The chip view of the pinout tab can be rotated and flipped.
2017-07-27T16:23:28 < dongs> wow im getting 4meg/sec from ST server
2017-07-27T16:23:32 < dongs> a miracle
2017-07-27T16:25:20 < aandrew> I'd be happy if the cube gui would show me all the pins a function can be on
2017-07-27T16:25:27 < dongs> it can
2017-07-27T16:25:29 < dongs> press ctrl+click
2017-07-27T16:25:31 < dongs> you donger
2017-07-27T16:25:32 < aandrew> i.e. I want UART0 TX. show me visually ALL the pins it can be on
2017-07-27T16:25:33 < dongs> thats been tehre for AGES
2017-07-27T16:25:34 < dongs> yeah
2017-07-27T16:25:37 < dongs> ctrlclick
2017-07-27T16:25:44 < aandrew> not let me hover over each pin to see if the function is on that pin
2017-07-27T16:25:50 < aandrew> it is? I swear that didn't work last time I tried
2017-07-27T16:26:00 < dongs> worksonmymachine.pro
2017-07-27T16:26:39 < dongs> fakkin jinx'd. ST pack download is crawling at 100k/sec
2017-07-27T16:26:41 < dongs> after cube itself was fast
2017-07-27T16:27:32 < zyp> haha
2017-07-27T16:29:09 < dongs> aandrew: checked yet?
2017-07-27T16:29:14 < dongs> it works, and i think this is even in teh docs
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2017-07-27T16:36:55 < dongs> wtf
2017-07-27T16:36:59 < dongs> its redownloading SAME FILE AGAIN
2017-07-27T16:48:39 < Laurenceb_> > Pets in general are normie pets. They're for people that are dumb enough to where they can have their emotional needs satisfied by a creature dumber than a literal retard.
2017-07-27T16:48:43 < Laurenceb_> 4chan delivers
2017-07-27T16:54:58 < englishman> i can guarantee my cat is smarter than a 4chan user
2017-07-27T16:55:05 < englishman> exhibit A: it has never been on 4chan
2017-07-27T16:56:01 < englishman> hey that ctrl+click thing is awesome
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2017-07-27T17:25:35 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4734594/Female-physics-teacher-joined-Mile-High-club-pupil.html
2017-07-27T17:25:49 < Laurenceb_> large Hardon collider
2017-07-27T17:26:00 < Rob235> hmm, so a rotating arm with one end on a linear rail on the y axis is going to be around 30x less precise when the arm is rotated +- ~90 degrees (close to parallel with the linear rail)
2017-07-27T17:26:02 < Rob235> one step ends up being about 3mm in the x axis near the rail.... that sucks
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2017-07-27T17:28:18 < sync> what did I tell you
2017-07-27T17:28:32 < Rob235> who me?
2017-07-27T17:32:33 < Laurenceb_> what are you trying to make?
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2017-07-27T17:32:50 < Rob235> two arm drawing robot for a school project
2017-07-27T17:33:29 < Laurenceb_> Non milky way atoms out
2017-07-27T17:33:36 < Laurenceb_> immigrant atom scum
2017-07-27T17:33:50 < Rob235> the arms are redundant in that they both can reach all the same spots so I can just have the right arm get all the lines on the left and vice versa
2017-07-27T17:34:04 < Rob235> or maybe have the linear rail in separate axes
2017-07-27T17:34:20 < Rob235> as a step on that is 100 micron
2017-07-27T17:34:28 < Rob235> and my drivers can go down to 1/128
2017-07-27T17:34:30 < Rob235> :)
2017-07-27T17:35:22 < Rob235> i'll probably stick with 1/32 step and then even at the limits x = 100 micron
2017-07-27T17:35:38 < Laurenceb_> yeah...
2017-07-27T17:35:51 < Laurenceb_> microstepping doesnt actually work you know
2017-07-27T17:35:58 < Rob235> ?
2017-07-27T17:36:02 < Laurenceb_> the holding torque goes right down
2017-07-27T17:36:15 < Rob235> meh i'll figure it out
2017-07-27T17:37:10 < englishman> https://www.indeed.ca/cmp/Natural-Health-Services/jobs/Bud-Genius-bcb5b9d88aeeafe2
2017-07-27T17:37:26 < englishman> Are you a cannabis connoisseur?
2017-07-27T17:39:03 < Rob235> heh
2017-07-27T17:39:22 < Rob235> too bad I dont smoke anymore
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2017-07-27T17:48:49 < englishman> The story of Lily is about two ambitious college students with smarts and personality who wanted to change the world—or at least photography. But they didn’t have the right tools, and didn’t listen to those who did.
2017-07-27T17:48:50 < englishman> Lily benefitted from “Demo Day,” a startup competition at Berkeley, where Bradlow and Balaresque received $400,000 in seed money from angel investors.
2017-07-27T17:49:06 < englishman> lol, $400k for college students wanting to build a drone
2017-07-27T17:49:26 < englishman> Just a month later, Lily received $1 million in seed money
2017-07-27T17:51:35 < englishman> admitting the demo video was shot with inspire
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2017-07-27T18:17:31 < effractur> a/win 178
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2017-07-27T18:33:44 < Laurenceb_> was lily the bar shaped thing with two props?
2017-07-27T18:34:22 < Laurenceb_> oh wut
2017-07-27T18:34:26 < Laurenceb_> anotherlame quadcopter
2017-07-27T18:47:07 < Lux> englishman: is the story finally out now ?
2017-07-27T18:47:30 < Lux> iirc they even got like 50 million or so in crowd funding
2017-07-27T18:47:31 < Rob235> NodeMCU or microPython?
2017-07-27T18:47:42 < englishman> yea Lux its all in there
2017-07-27T18:47:54 < englishman> https://www.wired.com/story/the-drone-company-that-fell-to-earth/
2017-07-27T18:48:12 < Lux> thanks
2017-07-27T18:49:10 < Lux> kinda funny how often these things repeat
2017-07-27T18:49:50 < englishman> and it will continue for as long as silicon valley can afford it
2017-07-27T19:03:16 < Lux> probably
2017-07-27T19:08:16 < dongs> fuckin retards lol
2017-07-27T19:08:38 < dongs> why wouldnt tehy just fucking give 400k to DJI and stick their shit inside
2017-07-27T19:08:42 < dongs> done.
2017-07-27T19:08:51 < dongs> you get a free fly-away-to-china mode too
2017-07-27T19:08:58 < dongs> my pal bought that spark or whatever trash
2017-07-27T19:09:04 < dongs> few days later hes crying in chats
2017-07-27T19:09:08 < dongs> IT CRASHED FROM 15TH FLOOR
2017-07-27T19:09:34 < dongs> then someone (maybe here?) links some shitdot article about dji sparks falling out of the sky again
2017-07-27T19:09:49 < dongs> business as usual
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2017-07-27T19:17:08 < englishman> lol
2017-07-27T19:17:54 < englishman> like, when they are using their competitor's product to make promo videos, and purposely making it look bad to simulate their desired outcome
2017-07-27T19:18:03 < englishman> not off to a great start
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2017-07-27T19:27:37 < dongs> i wonder what opensores tehy used
2017-07-27T19:27:38 < dongs> on the demo
2017-07-27T19:27:41 < dongs> dixhawk i guess?
2017-07-27T19:27:45 < dongs> which is why it kept failing
2017-07-27T19:27:50 < dongs> or maybe tarducopter even?
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2017-07-27T19:29:46 < dongs> englishman: also fuck edison, I'm designing a shitcopter with gayvidia tx2 in it
2017-07-27T19:30:16 < dongs> BZBEE TWO POINT ZERO
2017-07-27T19:30:49 < englishman> hey, i have this tx2 project
2017-07-27T19:30:56 < englishman> just the fuckin connector is $25
2017-07-27T19:30:58 < Laurenceb_> Rob235: why not use proper servo motors
2017-07-27T19:31:00 < Laurenceb_> like a pro
2017-07-27T19:31:02 < dongs> englishman: incorrect
2017-07-27T19:31:13 < englishman> well it is at digikey
2017-07-27T19:31:29 < dongs> Pricing: -- Price should not exceed 5.545 USD -- Price is for qty 1. Shipping, Taxes, and other logistics may be extra -- Volume pricing to be discussed directly with SamtecDelivery: -- 5-10 work days from Samtec directly (please contact Samtec for 5k+ pcs)** Contact distributor for pricing/delivery if not ordering directly with Samtec
2017-07-27T19:31:50 < englishman> yeah but samtec takes 1 week minimum to ship
2017-07-27T19:31:58 < dongs> well, yes
2017-07-27T19:32:15 < englishman> also you have to get the part number from tx2 forums
2017-07-27T19:32:32 < englishman> because the one nvidia gives you is "samtec internal number"
2017-07-27T19:32:33 < englishman> thanks guys
2017-07-27T19:32:52 < dongs> nah
2017-07-27T19:33:01 < dongs> a bunch of carrier board makers are using that shit
2017-07-27T19:33:14 < dongs> SEAM-50-03.5-S-08-2-A-K-TR is the aprt#, besides, the shit is all same series jsut different mating height
2017-07-27T19:33:29 < dongs> enjoy soldering that fucking bga-like thing
2017-07-27T19:33:38 < englishman> yeah not sure what im gonna do there
2017-07-27T19:33:46 < englishman> probably will just get a custom carrier board
2017-07-27T19:33:58 < englishman> as they come with like $50 of LT switchers anyway
2017-07-27T19:34:11 < dongs> connectech makes one that flips the tx2 around and sticks everything on a much-more-common connector
2017-07-27T19:34:26 < englishman> which one
2017-07-27T19:34:27 < dongs> so you can do an adapter board for an adpater board, yo dawg
2017-07-27T19:34:30 < dongs> uh lemme see link
2017-07-27T19:34:33 < englishman> was looking at elroy but msata, meh
2017-07-27T19:34:43 < dongs> http://www.connecttech.com/pdf/CTIM-ASG001_Manual.pdf
2017-07-27T19:35:29 < dongs> that mating connector is only $12/singles
2017-07-27T19:35:41 < englishman> hm
2017-07-27T19:35:47 < englishman> better voltage input range too
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2017-07-27T19:38:28 < dongs> well tx2 has all teh pmic shit on board
2017-07-27T19:38:35 < dongs> you jsut give it somewhere around 12V and not care
2017-07-27T19:38:59 < dongs> anyway just callsamtec and be like, send me that shit for $5.5 cuz nvidia said so
2017-07-27T19:39:05 < dongs> i may call youl back later for 5K order.
2017-07-27T19:39:07 < dongs> should be doable
2017-07-27T19:39:42 < englishman> yeah but these assholes want 10-28V input
2017-07-27T19:40:12 < englishman> including 3S lipo charging
2017-07-27T19:40:31 < dongs> oh, yeah youre gonna have to do full power management in front of the module then
2017-07-27T19:40:35 < englishman> mmhmm
2017-07-27T19:40:39 < dongs> i dont think that carrier board wil ldo it either
2017-07-27T19:40:42 < englishman> good thing im billing by the hour
2017-07-27T19:40:44 < englishman> nope
2017-07-27T19:40:46 < dongs> looking at the parts on it, it just passes DC straight to tx2
2017-07-27T19:40:57 < englishman> the elroy has stepdowns
2017-07-27T19:41:00 < englishman> but thats it
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2017-07-27T20:25:46 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N643g4T4mQA
2017-07-27T20:26:34 < englishman> Torquing Group has built it's reputation by constantly delivering solutions to problems, most would never attempt to solve.
2017-07-27T20:27:21 < englishman> haha torquinggroup.com is a domain sitter now
2017-07-27T20:30:43 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/a/0L9hF
2017-07-27T20:30:50 < Laurenceb_> I'm in jail dude
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2017-07-27T20:36:51 < Steffanx> fuck you englishman. http://imgur.com/gallery/3Z5wK.
2017-07-27T20:37:32 < englishman> lol
2017-07-27T20:37:44 < englishman> boy all these shitty news sites dont have any real news to write about?
2017-07-27T20:38:30 < Steffanx> :P
2017-07-27T20:39:34 < englishman> lol @ harley davidson
2017-07-27T20:40:09 < englishman> you mean the absolute shittiest, severely overpriced, massively accessorized, fashion diva brand isnt selling shit to young people?
2017-07-27T20:40:25 < englishman> look at this
2017-07-27T20:40:25 < englishman> http://www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-ca/scout-sixty-thunder-black
2017-07-27T20:40:33 < englishman> 1/5th the price of a harley!
2017-07-27T20:40:36 < englishman> still made in USA!
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2017-07-27T20:40:41 < englishman> superior in literally every way
2017-07-27T20:41:24 < englishman> polaris is making money hand over fist
2017-07-27T20:41:55 < englishman> but no, let's blame millenials
2017-07-27T20:41:57 < englishman> whatever that means
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2017-07-27T20:44:55 < Steffanx> Aren't you guys really to blame for it.. like for real/
2017-07-27T20:45:47 < englishman> i dont get the beer one, beer sales are through the roof and startups are too numerous to even count
2017-07-27T20:46:28 < englishman> 50 years ago there were 3 breweries in quebec, now there are 150
2017-07-27T20:46:29 < Steffanx> i didnt even read them. I just read millenials and had to post :P
2017-07-27T20:46:51 < englishman> lucky for you im eating my avocado toast and taking some time to troll
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2017-07-27T20:56:01 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/pag0lnv.gifv
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2017-07-27T20:58:44 < Steffanx> how are yours englishman?
2017-07-27T20:59:52 < englishman> terrorists
2017-07-27T20:59:56 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/ySy9g3a.jpg
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2017-07-27T21:03:28 < Steffanx> i meant the chicks ;)
2017-07-27T21:05:36 < englishman> huge, will be murdering some soon https://gfycat.com/MeaslySmallDanishswedishfarmdog
2017-07-27T21:10:10 < Steffanx> Yay, they look good.
2017-07-27T21:11:13 < englishman> they will look better on the bbq stuffed with brie and cranberries
2017-07-27T21:12:14 < Steffanx> brie.. meh.
2017-07-27T21:12:20 < Steffanx> french much
2017-07-27T21:13:51 < Steffanx> Not with arse on can of beer and on the bbq englishman?
2017-07-27T21:17:21 < englishman> or that
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2017-07-27T21:32:23 < Laurenceb_> http://s2.b3ta.com/host/creative/10643/1501146884/Meincraft.jpg
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2017-07-27T21:46:05 < inca> I am playing with usbd DFU. it seems to work for main memory, though I'd like to make the OTP bytes available as well.
2017-07-27T21:47:01 < englishman> which chip?
2017-07-27T21:47:33 < englishman> i think someone found you can't write them directly, but you can start writing in the page before and go over the end of the page to write OTP.... or something
2017-07-27T21:47:54 < inca> stm32f427
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2017-07-27T21:49:02 < inca> it can be done with the built in system memory dfu bootloader
2017-07-27T21:49:33 < inca> I have to roll my own because the builtin system bootloader mucks with the GPIO
2017-07-27T21:58:02 < inca> hmm... USBD_DFU_MAX_ITF_NUM
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2017-07-27T22:52:19 < inca> what? the cubemx dfu does not have the read/writes implemented for flash?
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2017-07-27T23:44:58 < inca> okay... so now how do I map multiple "alternate" memory regions in this DFU app. hmm
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2017-07-27T23:56:28 < kakimir> flying day
2017-07-27T23:56:30 < kakimir> hard pumps
--- Day changed Fri Jul 28 2017
2017-07-28T00:06:58 < ohsix> the word innovation is flying through the building at 50 times per hour
2017-07-28T00:07:40 < kakimir> mantra
2017-07-28T00:07:50 < kakimir> receive development moneys
2017-07-28T00:08:08 < kakimir> spell innovation and receive million
2017-07-28T00:09:02 < kakimir> and ofc be buddies with gov dudes
2017-07-28T00:11:04 < kakimir> prerequisite
2017-07-28T00:11:41 < kakimir> we did wire break simulations today flying
2017-07-28T00:11:56 < kakimir> 0meter, 50meter, 100meter and 150meter wire break
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2017-07-28T00:15:28 < Steffanx> Sometimes i wonder if kakimir knows this is ##stm32 and that we are not all pilots that know what that is all supposed to be.
2017-07-28T00:16:59 < kakimir> where would be interestings if you knew it all
2017-07-28T00:17:04 < englishman> http://nutiminn.is/kattarshians/
2017-07-28T00:17:07 < englishman> iceland > *
2017-07-28T00:17:45 < kakimir> nice house
2017-07-28T00:18:11 < Steffanx> So what kind of wire break did you simulate kakimir? What wire?
2017-07-28T00:18:36 < kakimir> tow wire
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2017-07-28T00:19:07 < kakimir> thing that inserts energy to equation of flying machine without engine or fuel
2017-07-28T00:19:09 < Steffanx> oh, a glider..?
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2017-07-28T00:19:23 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-28T00:19:30 < englishman> the cheapest and therefore best kind of flying
2017-07-28T00:19:38 < Steffanx> poor kitties. Do the lights ever go out englishman?
2017-07-28T00:19:43 < Steffanx> off
2017-07-28T00:20:07 < kakimir> very cheap
2017-07-28T00:20:21 < kakimir> I'm solo level now englishman
2017-07-28T00:20:26 < englishman> nice
2017-07-28T00:20:34 < kakimir> I need to pass one test tommorow and I can go
2017-07-28T00:20:36 < englishman> 🛩
2017-07-28T00:20:56 < kakimir> do you guise use some graphic interface to irc you use unicode much
2017-07-28T00:21:07 < englishman> irccloud
2017-07-28T00:21:08 < kakimir> I see boxes with ?
2017-07-28T00:21:12 < Steffanx> phone much...
2017-07-28T00:21:15 < kakimir> [?]
2017-07-28T00:21:20 < kakimir> this sumbol
2017-07-28T00:21:24 < Steffanx> its this: https://emojipedia.org/small-airplane/
2017-07-28T00:21:45 < kakimir> can you seriously have emoji in irc?
2017-07-28T00:21:55 < kakimir> via ssh
2017-07-28T00:22:01 < Steffanx> maybe. dont know
2017-07-28T00:22:03 < kakimir> ;)
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2017-07-28T00:22:09 < kakimir> in irssi
2017-07-28T00:22:12 < Steffanx> if your terminal does it, i dont see why it cannot do it
2017-07-28T00:22:40 < kakimir> hey
2017-07-28T00:22:51 < Steffanx> hoo
2017-07-28T00:23:07 < Steffanx> http://heeeeeeeey.com/
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2017-07-28T00:41:46 < kakimir> i want emojiis on command line
2017-07-28T00:44:36 < kakimir> kmay
2017-07-28T00:44:46 < kakimir> everson mono
2017-07-28T00:44:53 < kakimir> set it for putty
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2017-07-28T00:45:06 < kakimir> and there be emoji in blackwhite
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2017-07-28T00:52:27 < Steffanx> putty.. is useless anyway
2017-07-28T00:52:34 < Steffanx> most crippled terminal.
2017-07-28T00:53:23 < kakimir> you think I use vanilla putty?
2017-07-28T00:53:34 < kakimir> no way it's tarded
2017-07-28T00:53:45 < ohsix> it's also not the shittiest, but still really shit
2017-07-28T00:53:49 < ohsix> good enough to irc and vim
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2017-07-28T00:55:37 < dan2wik> Whats wrong with putty?
2017-07-28T00:56:19 < ohsix> if you don't know then don't worry about it
2017-07-28T00:56:42 < ohsix> font support is a big one, but it also flashes on screen updates & has horrible latency
2017-07-28T00:57:08 < dan2wik> Hmm ok, It gets what I need done.
2017-07-28T00:57:40 < ohsix> 🖕
2017-07-28T00:57:43 < ohsix> can you see that/
2017-07-28T00:58:04 < dan2wik> No, but that would be hexchat.
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2017-07-28T01:09:34 < kakimir> I changed font and nothing changes
2017-07-28T01:09:39 < kakimir> putty!
2017-07-28T01:09:48 < kakimir> very good
2017-07-28T01:10:01 < englishman> putty is the greatest terminal
2017-07-28T01:10:08 < englishman> not like lunix supports emoticons in console
2017-07-28T01:10:13 < englishman> so why bother with modern features?
2017-07-28T01:10:24 < Steffanx> bzzz
2017-07-28T01:10:40 < kakimir> sleep<
2017-07-28T01:11:02 < Steffanx> so early?
2017-07-28T01:11:05 < Steffanx> damn kakimir
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2017-07-28T01:36:06 < ohsix> h3h
2017-07-28T01:36:17 < ohsix> random companies are calling here with hard solder/repair jobs
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2017-07-28T01:41:55 < ohsix> i'm making a bit of money on it, i wonder if it is a useful business thing to actually advertise
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2017-07-28T01:45:58 < Laurenceb_> Is the trans memi just a psyop to humiliate people by making them do something that's obviously retarded like cut their duck off?
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2017-07-28T01:55:13 < crt> Full take care
2017-07-28T01:57:44 < Laurenceb_> >wake up to the sound of my bedroom door being blasted open
2017-07-28T01:57:44 < Laurenceb_> >look up to see two of the big boys from mi5 looking down on me
2017-07-28T01:57:51 < Laurenceb_> >i'm being kidnapped for posting naughty things online
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2017-07-28T01:59:08 < ohsix_> wut
2017-07-28T01:59:16 < ohsix_> did freenood a poop
2017-07-28T01:59:29 < ohsix_>  /m nickserv help
2017-07-28T01:59:33 < ohsix_> blah
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2017-07-28T02:00:08 < crt> Wut
2017-07-28T02:01:06 < Laurenceb_> >thrown in a black site and kept blindfolded in a 3x3' room for 2 weeks fed soy out of a tube
2017-07-28T02:01:19 < Laurenceb_> >get transferred to a holding tank and have my dna replaced until i'm 70% blowfish
2017-07-28T02:01:28 < Laurenceb_> >begin to go insane after inflating myself to 320% my normal bodysize becomes boring
2017-07-28T02:02:41 < ohsix> >openbsd has had no remote exploits in 11 years
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2017-07-28T02:38:43 < crt> Laurenceb_: lol wot
2017-07-28T02:39:07 < Laurenceb_> reposting from /b/
2017-07-28T02:39:36 < Laurenceb_> its a weird tales thread
2017-07-28T02:40:05 < crt> Ah I thought they got you
2017-07-28T02:40:12 < crt> The Feds mate
2017-07-28T02:41:21 < crt> My doctor said I could cure my assburgers by selling off my CRTs
2017-07-28T02:41:50 < crt> Do you like that?
2017-07-28T02:42:48 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/187IiCQ
2017-07-28T02:43:29 < crt> I see
2017-07-28T02:43:54 < crt> Back in my day we'd have given him s port Arthur special
2017-07-28T02:44:21 < crt> a
2017-07-28T02:45:20 < crt> Don't forget the nigletts
2017-07-28T02:49:19 < Laurenceb_> right to bear brick walls
2017-07-28T02:49:27 < crt> Yeah muscles
2017-07-28T02:49:34 < crt> What ya up to today?
2017-07-28T02:50:01 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/8yv0WxQ
2017-07-28T02:50:06 < Laurenceb_> hanging with pedobear
2017-07-28T02:50:24 < crt> Who dat
2017-07-28T02:50:47 < crt> Adobe pedofiles
2017-07-28T02:50:50 < crt> Pdf
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2017-07-28T03:06:18 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/AblNDqP.jpg
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2017-07-28T03:13:08 < sync> sounds like an average brit
2017-07-28T03:13:15 < sync> only missing is the doggo
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2017-07-28T03:17:14 < ohsix> there's a video floating around over library integration in eagle w/ fusion360 that  kind of demonstrates why they bought eagle
2017-07-28T03:17:37 < dongs> sup dongs
2017-07-28T03:17:39 < ohsix> they're not adding 3d view to eagle, they're making it easy to import and link models in fusion360
2017-07-28T03:19:24 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=783b-o5IAFI
2017-07-28T03:28:07 < Thorn> >Autodesk EAGLE
2017-07-28T03:28:17 < Thorn> sounds like Autodesk Maya 12 years ago
2017-07-28T03:28:22 < dongs> keke
2017-07-28T03:29:58 < sync> oh wow
2017-07-28T03:30:00 < sync> yeah
2017-07-28T03:30:20 < sync> it is already that long, I remember messing with cinema4d
2017-07-28T03:32:21 < ohsix> they're buying all the maker shit they can
2017-07-28T03:32:37 < ohsix> someone mentioned instructables the other day and i said it's only a matter of time before they buy stackoverflow
2017-07-28T03:33:13 < sync> autodick?
2017-07-28T03:33:15 < sync> hmm
2017-07-28T03:33:17 < sync> interesting
2017-07-28T03:35:18 < dongs> have makers completely abandoned eagle
2017-07-28T03:35:27 < dongs> due to corporate troll$
2017-07-28T03:35:49 < sync> interestingly nobody really huge uses autodesk shit
2017-07-28T03:35:57 < englishman> piksi gps reset line doesnt go active even at 2V, no specs given in their document
2017-07-28T03:36:08 < englishman> trolled by $600 gps
2017-07-28T03:36:45 < dongs> why are you even using piksi, it doesnt work
2017-07-28T03:37:02 < dongs> a $5 jewblox works better than piksi
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2017-07-28T03:40:29 < Laurenceb_> heh piksi guys used to hang out here
2017-07-28T03:40:33 < Laurenceb_> i know them irl
2017-07-28T03:46:58 < englishman> i dono man
2017-07-28T03:47:10 < englishman> i have $5k of m8t modules on a reel on the floor behind me, unused
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2017-07-28T03:53:21 < Laurenceb_> why?
2017-07-28T03:53:30 < Laurenceb_> what are you building?
2017-07-28T03:53:44 < englishman> innovation
2017-07-28T03:53:59 < Laurenceb_> secret sauce
2017-07-28T03:54:26 < dongs> better make a bunch of NTP servers
2017-07-28T03:54:51 < Laurenceb_> already done by Leo
2017-07-28T03:55:34 < Laurenceb_> http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=120&products_id=272
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2017-07-28T03:57:02 < crt> hi dad
2017-07-28T03:57:37 < Laurenceb_> shit now we know where Leo is
2017-07-28T03:58:28 < crt> leo fender?
2017-07-28T03:58:51 < Laurenceb_> nice http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=124&products_id=295
2017-07-28T03:59:06 < crt> oh the delay box guy
2017-07-28T03:59:26 < crt> measures tv input delay
2017-07-28T03:59:34 < crt> that was a nifty gadget for the fully autistic
2017-07-28T03:59:48 < emeb_mac> why aren't you pros all off mining ethereum?
2017-07-28T03:59:51 < emeb_mac> https://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/07/27/ethereum_miners_are_renting_boeing_747s_to_ship_graphics_cards
2017-07-28T04:00:45 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should invest in ethereum
2017-07-28T04:02:14 < crt> invest in dog
2017-07-28T04:02:46 < emeb_mac> friend of a friend did some market speculation on ether - made enough cash to buy a new SUV
2017-07-28T04:04:21 < dongs> englishman: looks like samtec just takes an order for those without questions asked
2017-07-28T04:04:26 < dongs> as long as you dont mind paying $22/ea
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2017-07-28T04:06:45 < englishman> fucking edison
2017-07-28T04:07:10 < dongs> man ZIPPED .step file for that connector is 3.6meg
2017-07-28T04:07:20 < dongs> im dreading to know how big the final model is
2017-07-28T04:07:36 < dongs> daym, 30megs
2017-07-28T04:09:14 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_Limited
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2017-07-28T04:14:05 < englishman> still a more profitable company than snapchat
2017-07-28T04:14:25 < dongs> try clicking anywhere on the article
2017-07-28T04:14:46 < englishman> nicely done
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2017-07-28T04:19:22 < englishman> magnet-controlled wireless onoff switch works gr8
2017-07-28T04:19:48 < englishman> using pushpull output B field sensor from japs
2017-07-28T04:20:19 < englishman> no discrete fets n crap here, only the finest linear tech button controllers
2017-07-28T04:28:35 < dongs> god damn. ocrad is fucking awful
2017-07-28T04:28:41 < dongs> you can make 0-length pins
2017-07-28T04:28:48 < dongs> (in schematic)
2017-07-28T04:28:52 < dongs> and then that jsut gives you the label
2017-07-28T04:29:04 < dongs> and yo u have to DRAW line from symbol to pin label/wahetver
2017-07-28T04:29:06 < dongs> what teh fuck
2017-07-28T04:44:02 < upgrdman> dongs, you switching to orcad?
2017-07-28T04:44:14 < upgrdman> or is this some dickstarter commissioned project
2017-07-28T04:44:39 < dongs> no im looking at orcad schematics imported into altidumb
2017-07-28T04:45:19 < crt> r2cad
2017-07-28T04:48:04 < crt> better get r2cad
2017-07-28T04:57:11 < dongs> damn
2017-07-28T04:57:13 < dongs> took forever to clean that shit up
2017-07-28T04:57:25 < dongs> cuckcad adds "pin parameters"
2017-07-28T04:57:27 < dongs> like 2000 of htem
2017-07-28T04:57:28 < dongs> to every pin
2017-07-28T04:57:38 < dongs> INPUT_LOAD OUTPUT_LOAD PIN_NAME etc garbage, a whole bunch of useless shit
2017-07-28T04:57:40 < englishman> nice car, dong http://i.imgur.com/uLYOyV6h.jpg
2017-07-28T05:02:11 < dongs> what the fuck
2017-07-28T05:02:25 < dongs> i think the way cuckcad does multi-part symbols
2017-07-28T05:02:30 < dongs> is duplicate ALL pins on every part
2017-07-28T05:02:34 < dongs> but hide the ones that arent used
2017-07-28T05:03:19 < englishman> lol'd irl
2017-07-28T05:03:49 < dongs> only r2com would enjoy this kinda shit
2017-07-28T05:04:29 < dongs> and pins dont have properties like inner/outer symbol thing
2017-07-28T05:04:34 < dongs> so when you have a inverted or wahtever negative pin
2017-07-28T05:04:39 < dongs> they just DRAW AN ELLIPSE OUTSIDE TEH SYMBOL
2017-07-28T05:05:00 < dongs> instead of you know, having a proper pin propert that gets assigned
2017-07-28T05:07:48 < jadew> I tried orcad a month or so ago
2017-07-28T05:07:54 < jadew> that thing seems forgotten
2017-07-28T05:07:58 < dongs> how fast did you delete it
2017-07-28T05:08:08 < jadew> pretty fast
2017-07-28T05:08:18 < dongs> i only have it installed in VM for occasional export of .pcb to .alg or whatever for altium
2017-07-28T05:08:22 < jadew> most cad packages I tried were way below expectations
2017-07-28T05:08:28 < dongs> each time i start PCB editor
2017-07-28T05:08:31 < dongs> it pops up a dialog asking me like
2017-07-28T05:08:35 < dongs> which of 200 products i want to start
2017-07-28T05:08:46 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BXDpBKMhgk1/
2017-07-28T05:09:37 < englishman> thorn i thought i warned you
2017-07-28T05:09:41 < englishman> do you want to send me to prison
2017-07-28T05:10:21 < Thorn> that's why the cat is behind bars
2017-07-28T05:10:40 < jadew> I'm making huge advances in cleaning my room
2017-07-28T05:10:46 < jadew> today I had a breakthrough
2017-07-28T05:11:15 < jadew> I figured out I can have everything on my desk inside some drawer or box, so it won't collect dust
2017-07-28T05:11:51 < jadew> don't know why I thought I need the solder and tweezers and a bunch of other stuff always on the desk
2017-07-28T05:12:40 < jadew> wish I was in a nordic country, where there's little dust
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2017-07-28T05:20:35 < Thorn> englishman: btw he bought a mountain lion yesterday https://www.instagram.com/p/BXDufXAhss6/
2017-07-28T05:21:01 < englishman> aww
2017-07-28T05:21:09 < Thorn> now that is a little too much imo
2017-07-28T05:21:34 < Thorn> it won't be aww in a year
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2017-07-28T05:21:45 < englishman> itl be aww yeaa
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2017-07-28T05:27:12 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geDeBsuHnz0
2017-07-28T05:32:22 < dongs> lewl
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2017-07-28T05:38:19 < dongs> what teh shit
2017-07-28T05:38:25 < dongs> dxp.exe is using 20% cpu (single core) just idling
2017-07-28T05:45:35 < upgrdman> its prolly mining buttcoins
2017-07-28T05:46:15 < Thorn> dixpix.exe
2017-07-28T06:04:00 < ReadErr> dongs: how is DEFCON
2017-07-28T06:11:58 < dongs> deafningly stupid
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2017-07-28T06:15:40 < englishman> which talk is efsenable giving?
2017-07-28T06:18:37 < dongs> something about someones feet im sure
2017-07-28T06:21:39 < englishman> but but dont you want to go to vegas and pay $600 or whatever and hear about some guy's rfid amplification attack against an overpriced shitty german "smart" pistol
2017-07-28T06:31:14 < dongs> much less useful than say re:con
2017-07-28T06:34:43 < englishman> hex-rays platinum sponsor
2017-07-28T06:35:05 < englishman> why are canadians so slow
2017-07-28T06:35:12 < englishman> ordered shit nextday fedex
2017-07-28T06:35:19 < englishman> tracking number 2pm
2017-07-28T06:35:23 < englishman> never picked up
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2017-07-28T06:51:52 < crt> the eutectic dogs
2017-07-28T06:56:57 < crt> englishman: the pumpers http://i.imgur.com/rZ9xSRO.jpg
2017-07-28T06:57:09 < englishman> i see it is recone day
2017-07-28T06:57:29 < dongs> englishman:
2017-07-28T06:57:30 < dongs> englishman: 12:35 < englishman> never picked up
2017-07-28T06:57:31 < dongs>  err
2017-07-28T06:57:38 < dongs> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRKkvWRrPPg ritot has been cloned
2017-07-28T06:59:38 < crt> the dogs
2017-07-28T07:00:17 < dongs> ugh, fucjking chinese ENIG
2017-07-28T07:02:13 < englishman> lol
2017-07-28T07:02:15 < englishman> first second
2017-07-28T07:02:18 < englishman> THE POJECTION WATCH
2017-07-28T07:02:32 < englishman> fucking proooo
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2017-07-28T07:03:38 < englishman> dude this is some serious spam
2017-07-28T07:03:40 < englishman> DPL chip
2017-07-28T07:04:11 < englishman> is this the kickstarter youve been wanking over in tai wan
2017-07-28T07:05:08 < dongs> yes
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2017-07-28T07:08:37 < englishman> anyone wants to get into the pro smt assembly game? https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/ele/d/brand-new-condition-pick/6236133945.html
2017-07-28T07:10:09 < dongs> so why is it $1
2017-07-28T07:10:18 < dongs> you should get it for 1, and spend $800 on a flight ticket to go pick it up
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2017-07-28T07:15:46 < crt> the pigs
2017-07-28T07:17:23 < PeterM> *********************************************************************9+
2017-07-28T07:17:24 < PeterM> d92802@m
2017-07-28T07:17:24 < PeterM> vrht.net
2017-07-28T07:17:24 < PeterM> 0269635249
2017-07-28T07:17:38 < dongs> warez
2017-07-28T07:17:46 < PeterM> nah bad fat fingers
2017-07-28T07:17:52 < dongs> Buy Vrht.net For $750
2017-07-28T07:17:55 < dongs> i see what you did tehre
2017-07-28T07:17:59 < PeterM> not even close
2017-07-28T07:18:19 < ohsix> Musical Applications of Microprocessors
2017-07-28T07:18:20 < ohsix> Item price	$7.63
2017-07-28T07:18:28 < PeterM> its a 10minute mail email address and a answering machine number
2017-07-28T07:18:53 < PeterM> i use that shit to fill in sales crap
2017-07-28T07:19:49 < ohsix> englishman: that isn't a diy p&p
2017-07-28T07:19:50 < ohsix> ?
2017-07-28T07:20:27 < ohsix> http://www.ntscope.com/DP20063.html
2017-07-28T07:20:36 < PeterM> also, someone should enquire abotu than pnp, even though its probably rubbish
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2017-07-28T07:20:40 < ohsix> :\
2017-07-28T07:20:49 < englishman> hi pee term
2017-07-28T07:20:51 < PeterM> vaccuum pump is probbaly half decen
2017-07-28T07:20:56 < PeterM> gday
2017-07-28T07:21:01 < ohsix> i would like one but i can't look at anything until i get more space
2017-07-28T07:21:07 < ohsix> which may never happen :<
2017-07-28T07:21:55 < PeterM> maybe that autistic kid will go pick it up, whats his name...
2017-07-28T07:22:09 < PeterM> p6 or somthing
2017-07-28T07:22:52 < PeterM> anyway, hows the warm glowing canacian summer treating you englishman?
2017-07-28T07:23:04 < ohsix> https://kelu124.gitbooks.io/echomods/content/RPI.html
2017-07-28T07:23:10 < ohsix> p6 is definitely his name
2017-07-28T07:23:17 < ohsix> he sucks
2017-07-28T07:23:29 < englishman> PeterM: https://gfycat.com/MeaslySmallDanishswedishfarmdog
2017-07-28T07:25:29 < PeterM> looks picturesque, if crt was there hed be chasin those chickns no doubt
2017-07-28T07:26:48 < crt> welcome,
2017-07-28T07:27:03 < crt> where is ptr
2017-07-28T07:27:35 < dongs> you just missed him chatting
2017-07-28T07:27:41 < crt> yes
2017-07-28T07:27:52 < crt> i need more coffee
2017-07-28T07:27:53 < dongs> englishman: is that your farm
2017-07-28T07:28:05 < englishman> those are my chicks
2017-07-28T07:28:10 < dongs> i need to get this chicken scam going too
2017-07-28T07:28:15 < dongs> and maybe some gardening
2017-07-28T07:28:22 < dongs> i got so much wasted land just sitting there
2017-07-28T07:28:30 < englishman> wifeishman is going nuts with the garden
2017-07-28T07:28:40 < englishman> its like a whole acre
2017-07-28T07:28:50 < crt> build a wind farm dong
2017-07-28T07:29:29 < englishman> chicks on may 22 http://i.imgur.com/uWKpCO5.jpg?1
2017-07-28T07:29:48 < crt> PeterM: i would like some bits plz
2017-07-28T07:30:05 < englishman> chicks 11 days ago http://i.imgur.com/tXqGKr6.jpg
2017-07-28T07:30:12 < dongs> damn
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2017-07-28T07:32:26 < crt> the growhouse
2017-07-28T07:32:31 < crt> when do you eat them
2017-07-28T07:33:29 < englishman> soon
2017-07-28T07:33:34 < englishman> maybe will murder a few next week
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2017-07-28T07:35:35 < ohsix> englishman: english chickens?
2017-07-28T07:36:03 < ohsix> got a grill and chicken that is distributed frozen is not cutting it
2017-07-28T07:44:37 < ohsix> lul craptop wasn't on ac while i was running around, awesome
2017-07-28T07:44:52 < ohsix> if i'm doing nothing the battery life is pretty gr8
2017-07-28T07:45:00 < ohsix> https://media.defcon.org/DEF%20CON%2025/DEF%20CON%2025%20presentations/DEFCON-25-Ilja-van-Sprundel-BSD-Kern-Vulns.pdf
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2017-07-28T08:14:19 < upgrdman> wtf. when i try to draw a line on GKO in altidongs, it switches me to the drill drawing layer
2017-07-28T08:14:57 < ohsix> gko?
2017-07-28T08:15:01 < ohsix> ground keepout?
2017-07-28T08:15:23 < upgrdman> keey out layer
2017-07-28T08:15:33 < upgrdman> gerber keep out or whatever .gko means
2017-07-28T08:15:51 < ohsix> o
2017-07-28T08:16:13 < ohsix> altium layers correspond to gerber layers directly? no cam processing?
2017-07-28T08:17:12 < upgrdman> ohsix, well you can have them merge into one gerber
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2017-07-28T08:17:20 < upgrdman> but by default, they different
2017-07-28T08:18:28 < ohsix> dunno altium enough
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2017-07-28T08:44:01 < ReadErr> omfg dongs
2017-07-28T08:44:02 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-Arrival-Eachine-E010-Mini-2-4G-4CH-6-Axis-3D-Headless-Mode-Memory-Function-RC/2534028_32741187900.html ali is doing some eachine promo
2017-07-28T08:44:02 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1eizWXsUYU
2017-07-28T08:44:04 < ohsix> this thing is qt
2017-07-28T08:44:12 < ReadErr> watch, now
2017-07-28T08:44:16 < ohsix> https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2699407-EACHINE-E010-Mini-%28in-construction%29
2017-07-28T08:45:19 < ohsix> hm no acro mode tho
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2017-07-28T09:29:06 < dongs> upgrdman: ha ha, figured it otu yet?
2017-07-28T09:29:10 < dongs> A17 changed stuff.
2017-07-28T09:29:13 < dongs> needs some pro massaging.
2017-07-28T09:29:17 < upgrdman> dongs, i havent
2017-07-28T09:29:19 < upgrdman> dongs, plz halp
2017-07-28T09:29:21 < upgrdman> :)
2017-07-28T09:29:25 < dongs> upgrdman: ok, you're just drawing normal outline not importing?
2017-07-28T09:29:31 < upgrdman> ya
2017-07-28T09:29:34 < upgrdman> drawing pcb outline
2017-07-28T09:29:39 < dongs> p-k-t
2017-07-28T09:29:42 < upgrdman> lines + radiuses
2017-07-28T09:29:58 < upgrdman> o lol
2017-07-28T09:30:00 < upgrdman> wtf why
2017-07-28T09:30:10 < dongs> its "always" been like that. but they finalyl separated teh ui for it
2017-07-28T09:30:19 < upgrdman> ahaha ok
2017-07-28T09:30:30 < dongs> it made things a bit confusing for a while, but now it makes sense and is better
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2017-07-28T09:31:45 < upgrdman> how is that better
2017-07-28T09:31:56 < upgrdman> like why make that layer draw stuff diff'ly
2017-07-28T09:32:01 < dongs> upgrdman: you have more control over keepout now
2017-07-28T09:32:17 < dongs> which layers it affects, which parts (vias/pads/tracs) etc
2017-07-28T09:32:36 < dongs> because people haev been abusing GKO for board outline for ages
2017-07-28T09:32:40 < dongs> but technically it shouldn't be that
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2017-07-28T09:34:53 < zyp> I got a call from an altium rep yesterday, asking if I wanted to renew my subscription
2017-07-28T09:35:50 < dongs> i need to renew IDA next month
2017-07-28T09:36:00 < dongs> of course, they're going to fucking release 7.0 right after my subscription expires
2017-07-28T09:36:06 < zyp> haha
2017-07-28T09:36:50 < dongs> rumor is, tehy'er cunts enough that they're waiting for a month wiht the most expired subs
2017-07-28T09:36:55 < dongs> and release major updates right after that
2017-07-28T09:37:38 < zyp> what does an IDA subscription get you? updates?
2017-07-28T09:37:42 < dongs> yeah
2017-07-28T09:37:51 < dongs> like once-twice a year updates
2017-07-28T09:37:56 < dongs> mostly for decompiler
2017-07-28T09:38:09 < dongs> 7.0 is gonna be major shit tho.. finally rewritten mostly properly (tho still garbage)
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2017-07-28T09:43:48 < upgrdman> how do i hide altium rule violation green XXX grid thinggy temporarily
2017-07-28T09:44:09 < dongs> tm
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2017-07-28T09:44:55 < upgrdman> thx
2017-07-28T09:45:19 < dongs> i finally got altium pro at office to upgrade from his pirated summer 2009 version
2017-07-28T09:45:24 < zyp> anybody used harnesses in altium?
2017-07-28T09:45:26 < dongs> expecting rage about gko shortly
2017-07-28T09:45:32 < dongs> zyp, I've seen some paki use them completely incorrectly
2017-07-28T09:45:38 < dongs> tbh i don't see any purpose/advantrage
2017-07-28T09:45:59 < dongs> like, what woudl you use them for
2017-07-28T09:46:19 < zyp> I were reviewing a schematic yesterday, it had stuff like RMII_BUS[1..10]
2017-07-28T09:46:27 < zyp> with a little text box with a lookup table next to it
2017-07-28T09:47:14 < zyp> had to suggest "uh, you should probably have used a harness rather than a bus to group those signals, so the schematic would actually be readable"
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2017-07-28T09:48:09 < zyp> also SPI_BUS[1..4]
2017-07-28T09:48:23 < dongs> why do those cunts order shit from 1 ?
2017-07-28T09:48:50 < zyp> probably because they're not programmers
2017-07-28T09:48:53 < dongs> so how do I measure a frequency of clock using timer?
2017-07-28T09:49:10 < dongs> i will have some stuff in 3..8mhz raznge
2017-07-28T09:49:15 < dongs> that I need to measure with TIM1
2017-07-28T09:49:20 < zyp> input capture to measure period
2017-07-28T09:49:31 < dongs> oh, and thats it? and 1/ to get mhz
2017-07-28T09:49:35 < zyp> yes
2017-07-28T09:49:39 < dongs> ok ez
2017-07-28T09:50:18 < zyp> you probably use the same reset trick as for measuring pwm, except you only care about period, not duty
2017-07-28T09:51:02 < zyp> i.e. reset on capture
2017-07-28T09:52:22 < zyp> hmm, I guess you won't get super accuracy that way though
2017-07-28T09:53:09 < zyp> if timer is running at 168 MHz, 8 MHz will be a count of like 21
2017-07-28T09:53:28 < zyp> so you'll get an accuracy of like 5%
2017-07-28T09:53:47 < dongs> im only on f1
2017-07-28T09:53:58 < zyp> even worse
2017-07-28T09:53:58 < dongs> so like 72mhz abnd i think tim1 runs at 36?
2017-07-28T09:54:00 < dongs> yeah
2017-07-28T09:54:22 < zyp> how many signals are you measuring? just one?
2017-07-28T09:54:36 < dongs> yae just one
2017-07-28T09:55:46 < zyp> clock the timer from the external signal, then let it run for a millisecond or whatever, then check the count of the timer
2017-07-28T09:56:05 < zyp> you can gate it from another timer to make it run for exactly a millisecond
2017-07-28T09:56:08 < dongs> i think im already connected to ch1
2017-07-28T09:56:15 < dongs> isnt external clock limited to some inputs
2017-07-28T09:56:29 < zyp> I think you can clock the timer from the ch1 input, but I might be wrong
2017-07-28T09:56:44 < zyp> at least encoders hook up to ch1 and ch2 and clock the timer
2017-07-28T09:57:30 < zyp> anyway, doing it that way you can get as much resolution as you want just by having it run longer
2017-07-28T09:57:38 < dongs> hokay.
2017-07-28T09:57:48 < dongs> writing some startup code for this first and see how it goes from there
2017-07-28T09:57:51 < zyp> 8MHz will give you a count of 8000 in a millisecond
2017-07-28T09:58:06 < dongs> yeah thats pretty accurate
2017-07-28T09:58:08 < zyp> which is like 400 times better than 21
2017-07-28T10:05:18 < dongs> hmm, fuck
2017-07-28T10:05:56 < dongs> keil's USB library doesnt even build with clang
2017-07-28T10:05:59 < dongs> only armcc
2017-07-28T10:06:01 < dongs> RIP
2017-07-28T10:06:08 < dongs> and i refuse to use the new packs garbage
2017-07-28T10:06:16 < dongs> where y ou need to bloat in fuckign RTX + other shit just to use USB
2017-07-28T10:10:38 < zyp> haha
2017-07-28T10:14:07 < ohsix> zyp: if you're doing input capture can you keep a phase accumulator to remove some of the error?
2017-07-28T10:15:02 < ohsix> 3..8mhz is a wide range tho, shrug
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2017-07-28T10:15:31 < ohsix> isn't there a pin/timer you can use to decimate the clock as an input?
2017-07-28T10:15:45 < ohsix> er, divide <-> decimate
2017-07-28T10:16:09 < zyp> ohsix, well, you can use one timer as a prescaler, feeding input capture on another
2017-07-28T10:17:12 < ohsix> weerd
2017-07-28T10:17:26 < ohsix> been a while since i could mess with junk
2017-07-28T10:20:08 < dongs> what woudl ohsix even know about stm32 timers
2017-07-28T10:20:11 < dongs> he's never used one
2017-07-28T10:20:46 < dongs> y/y/y
2017-07-28T10:23:07 < dongs> damn china is awesome
2017-07-28T10:23:14 < dongs> im debugging some usb-pd shit
2017-07-28T10:23:25 < dongs> i was like, here's ez-pd log captures, plz fix it fo rme
2017-07-28T10:23:32 < dongs> they send me fixed shit few mins later
2017-07-28T10:23:51 < dongs> they didnt wanna give me firwmare for thier shitty chip but uh,, this is even better
2017-07-28T10:23:54 < dongs> czu i don't have to do anything.
2017-07-28T10:25:07 < ohsix> got to explain again why broadcom is more of a problem than everything else over a successful kickstarter
2017-07-28T10:25:12 < ohsix> + today
2017-07-28T10:25:49 < ohsix> qualcomm bought csr and the vendor just did a chinese horizontal sharing radio design for the headphones
2017-07-28T10:26:30 < ohsix> they have issues where very occasionally the audio will drop & no support from anyone on even how to begin seeing what it is
2017-07-28T10:27:00 < ohsix> csr has fake problems for junk sourced on those kinds of modules too
2017-07-28T10:27:35 < ohsix> broadcom holds all the cards on the firmware in it. and for as much as i can tell it may deliberately fuck up on clone hw
2017-07-28T10:28:25 < ohsix> i did find out bluez came with a tool to fuck with the radio firmware but i haven't found the adapter i had with one in it to do so
2017-07-28T10:29:52 < ohsix> incidentally into lots of local tech junk but only as an advisor
2017-07-28T10:30:56 < ohsix> one of the tech locals they picked up as a consultant keeps asking everyone if they have a '5ghz scope'
2017-07-28T10:32:26 < ohsix> chances are what he actually needs is a network analyser / spectrum analyzer, but i couldn't get any info out of him
2017-07-28T10:32:46 < ohsix> you can demo any scope you want from tek to get this shit doneoolol
2017-07-28T10:32:58 < ohsix> there's someone from tek even in the building
2017-07-28T10:35:59 < ohsix> they don't have a customer relationship with qcom and the odm probably doesn't either olol, it sounds like they're stalling too
2017-07-28T10:38:41 < ohsix> out of irc time, adios
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2017-07-28T10:49:22 < dongs> wtf
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2017-07-28T11:06:46 < dongs> nice
2017-07-28T11:07:00 < dongs> after some fucking up, got legacy usb working in newest keil
2017-07-28T11:07:23 < dongs> should be starting to measure mhz soon
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2017-07-28T11:09:40 < dongs> Table 2. USART hardware automatic baud rate detection on STM32 Series
2017-07-28T11:09:46 < dongs> STM32F1 No
2017-07-28T11:09:48 < dongs> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
2017-07-28T11:09:51 < dongs> fucking nigger wat
2017-07-28T11:10:05 < dongs> F0, F3, F4, F7 have that shit
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2017-07-28T11:10:09 < dongs> fuckkkk
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2017-07-28T11:18:15 < zyp> so when are you gonna take the hint that F1 is outdated and stop using that?
2017-07-28T11:35:35 < dongs> eh, it doees the job
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2017-07-28T11:44:52 < Thorn> the best f1 is f0
2017-07-28T11:47:01 < dongs> naw
2017-07-28T11:47:03 < dongs> fuck 32mhz shit
2017-07-28T11:47:04 < dongs> useless
2017-07-28T11:47:42 < Thorn> 48
2017-07-28T11:47:58 < Thorn> if you need firepower then f401/f411
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2017-07-28T13:19:03 < dongs> TIM_PWMIConfig
2017-07-28T13:19:06 < dongs> ok looks like input should work
2017-07-28T13:19:29 < dongs> and some masterslave shit, will have to read up
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2017-07-28T13:52:01 < dongs> where the fuck is timer block diagram
2017-07-28T13:53:06 < dongs> found. but i dont understand how im supposed to connect ITRx to TRGO
2017-07-28T13:53:38 < zyp> lemme take a look at RM0008
2017-07-28T13:54:22 < dongs> my hardware is not modifyable tho
2017-07-28T13:54:29 < zyp> I know
2017-07-28T13:54:33 < dongs> block diagram is figure 100
2017-07-28T13:54:47 < dongs> page 366 in my RM, which i think is latest
2017-07-28T13:55:06 < zyp> see table 82 on page 343
2017-07-28T13:55:13 < zyp> I just grabbed rev16 from web
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2017-07-28T13:55:35 < zyp> so you can use tim2, 3, 4 or 5
2017-07-28T13:55:47 < dongs> right, only up to 4 on F103CB
2017-07-28T13:55:56 < dongs> so im gonna setup TIM2 as trgo
2017-07-28T13:56:05 < dongs> and TIM1_ITR1
2017-07-28T13:56:08 < zyp> yep
2017-07-28T13:56:09 < dongs> so use TIM2_TRGO as whatever?
2017-07-28T13:56:10 < dongs> ok
2017-07-28T13:56:19 < dongs> lemme see how the fuck that transaltes into stdperiphlib
2017-07-28T13:57:48 < zyp> so, I guess the most convenient way to do this then is to configure TIM2 to oneshot, set period to 1ms or whatever, then set TIM2_CR2.MMS to 1
2017-07-28T13:58:05 < zyp> that should make TIM2_TRGO high while it's running
2017-07-28T13:59:09 < zyp> then configure TIM1_SMCR to set SMS to 5 (gated mode) and TS to 1 (ITR1)
2017-07-28T14:00:39 < zyp> hmm, maybe that'll conflict with using TIM1_CH1 as clock input
2017-07-28T14:04:25 < dongs> where do i enable masterslave mode on
2017-07-28T14:04:27 < dongs> TIm1 or TIm2?
2017-07-28T14:04:47 < dongs> i guess ITM2
2017-07-28T14:06:26 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/IB2uvk85.html probly wont work
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2017-07-28T14:10:49 < zyp> yeah, no, it's not possible to do this like this
2017-07-28T14:10:54 < dongs> oh?
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2017-07-28T14:11:08 < dongs> not possible wiht shit code or not possible period
2017-07-28T14:11:30 < zyp> to clock the timer from CH1, you need to map CH1 to TRGI and set SMS to external clock mode 1
2017-07-28T14:11:40 < zyp> that conflicts directly with setting SMS to gated mode
2017-07-28T14:12:18 < dongs> oh, 101 is gated and 111 is TRGI
2017-07-28T14:12:28 < zyp> it would have worked if you could clock it from ETR
2017-07-28T14:12:36 < zyp> but ok
2017-07-28T14:13:41 < dongs> TIM1_ETR is on USB pins, haha
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2017-07-28T14:13:51 < zyp> you could start/stop or poll it manually from software instead, it would just be less accurate since it would then depend on software timing
2017-07-28T14:14:02 < dongs> there's TIM2/TIm3 tho but whatevers, im not changing hardware
2017-07-28T14:14:06 < dongs> yeah lemme try just trying to make it work
2017-07-28T14:14:10 < dongs> it might be close enough to not matter
2017-07-28T14:14:27 < zyp> or it could be possible to use one timer as a prescaler and then do input capture, like ohsix suggested earlier
2017-07-28T14:14:30 < dongs> i dont need exact value I think, the PWM ranges are fixed, if I get something +- 20 or wahtever I can just call it that
2017-07-28T14:14:49 < zyp> how fast do you need results?
2017-07-28T14:14:56 < dongs> doesnt matter
2017-07-28T14:15:09 < dongs> this is user controlled
2017-07-28T14:15:13 < dongs> get speed, do stuff
2017-07-28T14:15:35 < zyp> software timing inaccuracy is constant, so just sampling over a longer time reduces the impact from that
2017-07-28T14:15:58 < zyp> hmm, TIM1 is 16-bit?
2017-07-28T14:16:05 < dongs> yeah everythign on F103 is
2017-07-28T14:16:40 < dongs> so max i can do is what, like 7x oversample
2017-07-28T14:16:52 < dongs> doenst matter.
2017-07-28T14:16:53 < zyp> oh, wait, you ahve prescaler
2017-07-28T14:16:55 < dongs> gonna try to set this shit up
2017-07-28T14:17:33 < zyp> prescaler is also 16-bit, so that's fine
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2017-07-28T14:27:34 < dongs> wait waht, PWMIConfig thing will fire IRQ on each clock edge?
2017-07-28T14:28:20 < zyp> wat, you don't want that
2017-07-28T14:28:42 < dongs> heh, current CCR1 = 0x06
2017-07-28T14:28:50 < dongs> jumps between 6 and 7
2017-07-28T14:28:55 < zyp> oh, hey, idea
2017-07-28T14:29:08 < zyp> instead of gating TIM1 from TIM2, you can gate TIM2 from TIM1
2017-07-28T14:30:01 < zyp> configure TIM1 to oneshot, some reasonable number of cycles, then TIM2 will count how many of its cycles it took for TIM1 to finish
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2017-07-28T14:31:04 < dongs> so how is this CCR1 corresponding to clock speed now
2017-07-28T14:31:08 < dongs> i'm at 72mhz
2017-07-28T14:31:11 < dongs> incoming clock is 8mhz
2017-07-28T14:31:13 < dongs> (on scope)
2017-07-28T14:31:20 < dongs> CCR1 is 6
2017-07-28T14:33:39 < zyp> CCR is not used, CNT register is what matters
2017-07-28T14:33:47 < dongs> no?
2017-07-28T14:33:50 < zyp> CNT will count up at 8mhz
2017-07-28T14:33:53 < dongs> i mean not doing your setup yet
2017-07-28T14:34:12 < zyp> oh, right, just input capture?
2017-07-28T14:34:13 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/BRHj0a70.html did this
2017-07-28T14:34:17 < dongs> pwm input yeah
2017-07-28T14:35:31 < zyp> timer is running at 36MHz?
2017-07-28T14:35:52 < dongs> 4.8MHz input clock, CCR = 0x0C
2017-07-28T14:35:56 < dongs> should be 72, no?
2017-07-28T14:36:33 < zyp> sounds like it's a bit off then, but that's not unreasonable
2017-07-28T14:36:43 < dongs> PCLK1 = 36, PCLK2 = 72
2017-07-28T14:36:52 < dongs> tim1 is APB2
2017-07-28T14:36:56 < dongs> so hould be 72
2017-07-28T14:37:12 < zyp> 72/4.8 is 15, 72/8 is 9
2017-07-28T14:37:19 < zyp> you're reading 12 and 6 respectively
2017-07-28T14:37:25 < dongs> "close enough"?
2017-07-28T14:37:37 < zyp> so maybe you're losing three clocks somehow
2017-07-28T14:38:00 < zyp> but yeah, you don't get a lot of accuracy doing it that way
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2017-07-28T14:41:48 < dongs> so when I do PWMIconfig on TIM1, it will be clocked by the input clock, right?
2017-07-28T14:41:58 < dongs> so technically all I need to do (inaccurately)
2017-07-28T14:42:06 < dongs> is reset, enable, wait 1ms, measure
2017-07-28T14:42:16 < zyp> yeah
2017-07-28T14:42:37 < dongs> and if I can negro it to auto-trigger TIM2 for this, that'll be better/bonus. lemme try the 1st way first.
2017-07-28T14:44:37 < dongs> '6545'
2017-07-28T14:44:39 < dongs> @ 8mhz
2017-07-28T14:44:58 < zyp> umm
2017-07-28T14:45:10 < zyp> what do you get at 4?
2017-07-28T14:45:16 < dongs> .. same
2017-07-28T14:45:20 < dongs> wtf
2017-07-28T14:45:33 < dongs> i wonder if I need to enable arrpreload
2017-07-28T14:45:36 < dongs> before i cn reset cnt
2017-07-28T14:45:42 < dongs> i dont see it resetting
2017-07-28T14:46:13 < dongs> i dont need to stop timer before resetting CNT right?
2017-07-28T14:46:21 < zyp> right
2017-07-28T14:46:53 < dongs> wait wut
2017-07-28T14:46:55 < dongs> its just freerunning
2017-07-28T14:46:58 < dongs> i remove clock it keeps going
2017-07-28T14:47:13 < dongs> forgot input trigger config :p
2017-07-28T14:47:37 < dongs> hm what still no
2017-07-28T14:48:05 < zyp> well, of course it's freerunning if you don't stop it
2017-07-28T14:48:21 < dongs> no?
2017-07-28T14:48:29 < dongs> if there's no clock on CC1
2017-07-28T14:48:30 < dongs> it should stop, right?
2017-07-28T14:48:38 < zyp> here's what I propose: init timer, set CNT to 0, start timer, wait 1ms, stop timer, read CNT
2017-07-28T14:48:41 < zyp> yes
2017-07-28T14:48:47 < dongs> yeah thats wat im doing
2017-07-28T14:48:58 < zyp> you probably didn't set the mode right then
2017-07-28T14:49:18 < dongs> stop timer = CR1->CEN off?
2017-07-28T14:49:26 < zyp> yes
2017-07-28T14:49:57 < zyp> so anyway, make sure TS is set to 101 and SMS is set to 111
2017-07-28T14:50:52 < dongs> 111 = ext clock mode?
2017-07-28T14:51:02 < dongs> doesnt that require ETC
2017-07-28T14:51:04 < dongs> er ETR
2017-07-28T14:51:26 < zyp> no, TS to 101 picks CH1 as source
2017-07-28T14:51:37 < dongs> yeah thats done
2017-07-28T14:51:43 < dongs> it doesnt count then
2017-07-28T14:51:55 < dongs> shit nvm
2017-07-28T14:51:57 < dongs> 8016
2017-07-28T14:52:02 < dongs> trying 4.7mhz thing
2017-07-28T14:52:16 < dongs> 4810-
2017-07-28T14:52:23 < dongs> close enough for government work
2017-07-28T14:53:01 < dongs> so the ~10 pulses are probly due to calls to delayWait() thing and wahtever
2017-07-28T14:53:26 < zyp> yeah
2017-07-28T14:55:32 < dongs> if I wait 999us, then its ~4802-4
2017-07-28T14:55:54 < dongs> and 8006-7
2017-07-28T14:55:58 < dongs> k , more than close enough
2017-07-28T14:58:59 < dongs> and this thing doesnt need to do anything else other than this + USB
2017-07-28T14:59:10 < dongs> so I will just put this measurement in a loop at end of main() and update some variable
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2017-07-28T15:15:11 < dongs> j,,
2017-07-28T15:15:12 < dongs> hmm
2017-07-28T15:15:19 < dongs> another 8MHz source is 8001-2
2017-07-28T15:17:46 < zyp> all the mhz
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2017-07-28T16:09:29 < inca> zyp: the usb dfu that you rolled on your own, did you support multiple memory regions (e.g. OTP and Internal Flash)?
2017-07-28T16:11:23 < zyp> no, but that should be fairly trivial to add
2017-07-28T16:12:20 < zyp> as far as I remember, DFU does multiple regions by having multiple altsettings for the dfu interface
2017-07-28T16:12:23 < inca> in the latest CubeMX it is not. I see it was in the 2012 MCD USBD DFU application code as a MAL layer.
2017-07-28T16:12:44 < dongs> i made a DFU shit using the sample code
2017-07-28T16:12:53 < dongs> to update either flash or extenral SPI
2017-07-28T16:13:01 < dongs> st dfu tool shows 2 regions etc.
2017-07-28T16:13:04 < zyp> so just add more interface descriptors, then add handling of altsettings to the class driver
2017-07-28T16:13:16 < dongs> i dont think thats how its done zyp, but i dunno shit about this
2017-07-28T16:13:19 < dongs> i just copypasted
2017-07-28T16:13:26 < dongs> i think multiuple regions weer in some string descriptors
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2017-07-28T16:13:31 < dongs> same interface
2017-07-28T16:13:34 < zyp> pretty sure that's what dfu spec says
2017-07-28T16:13:52 < inca> right. I can see the Alternate slots are getting created when I expand USBD_DFU_MAX_ITF_NUM, though where to add the additional memory region strings and flash handlers is not yet clear to me.
2017-07-28T16:14:18 < zyp> the string goes in iInterface I believe
2017-07-28T16:14:27  * inca checks
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2017-07-28T16:14:52 < zyp> the memory region whatever thing is a dfuse thing, i.e. custom ST shit
2017-07-28T16:14:58 < zyp> not part of the DFU standard
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2017-07-28T16:16:03 < inca> dfu-util supports it, at least in the Alt memories listed can be manipulated
2017-07-28T16:16:38 < zyp> http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/devclass_docs/DFU_1.1.pdf <- 4.2.3 here notes how altsettings are used to define multiple region and how iInterface of each names them
2017-07-28T16:17:17 < inca> No one from ST on the contributors list
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2017-07-28T16:21:03 < Laurenceb_> memi magic and KEK and BASED DONALD
2017-07-28T16:22:13 < dongs>  < zyp> not part of the DFU standard
2017-07-28T16:22:19 < dongs> yeah but until there's a cute app like dfuse
2017-07-28T16:22:24 < dongs> that can actually be used by normal people
2017-07-28T16:22:31 < dongs> instead of some CLI dfu-util trash
2017-07-28T16:22:37 < dongs> i'll stick with "nonstandard ST garbage"
2017-07-28T16:24:05 < inca> I think the older MCD examples actually had this baked in
2017-07-28T16:26:09 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/HarV97E.png very kawaii. dfu-util can't compare
2017-07-28T16:26:39 < inca> it's nice. it works.
2017-07-28T16:26:47 < zyp> looks too cluttered for dumb users IMO
2017-07-28T16:27:00 < dongs> the best part is the changing upload/download meaning
2017-07-28T16:27:13 < dongs> i kept geting faggots calling me saying "I just did upload and my dfu file is 0 bytes"
2017-07-28T16:27:21 < zyp> haha
2017-07-28T16:27:23 < inca> heh... Upload to the PC, Download to the device.
2017-07-28T16:27:29 < dongs> right
2017-07-28T16:27:34 < dongs> except normal people call it the other way
2017-07-28T16:28:29 < inca> the magic is in USBD_DFU_CfgDesc
2017-07-28T16:28:37 < zyp> for arcin I ship firmware upgrades as an .exe file that you just have to run
2017-07-28T16:28:50 < zyp> firmware image embedded
2017-07-28T16:28:51 < dongs> and edxe is made with py2exe?
2017-07-28T16:29:17 < zyp> no, it's actually not python, it's C++ built with MSVC
2017-07-28T16:29:25 < dongs> impressive
2017-07-28T16:29:43 < zyp> but the script to embed a firmware image into the prebuilt .exe template is python :p
2017-07-28T16:30:21 < Laurenceb_> dfu-util works for me
2017-07-28T16:33:14 < inca> I see one reference to iInterface in a macro used for defining the Alternate settings in the main CfgDesc[riptor]. So I need to create an array of string descriptors and somehow get the pointers somewhere useful.
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2017-07-28T16:56:14 < crt> Hh
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2017-07-28T17:03:21 < crt> Hello welcome
2017-07-28T17:04:19 < jadew> Laurenceb_, are you watching Salvation?
2017-07-28T17:04:57 < crt> stffn
2017-07-28T17:05:05 < Steffanx> You're late sir.
2017-07-28T17:05:12 < crt> Welcom
2017-07-28T17:05:30 < jadew> Steffanx, you already told him?
2017-07-28T17:05:44 < Steffanx> i mean crt is late.
2017-07-28T17:05:45 < crt> I got stoned off cannibis
2017-07-28T17:05:47 < jadew> ah
2017-07-28T17:06:05 < crt> Seriously
2017-07-28T17:06:17 < Steffanx> Lies crt. I no longer trust you after your diabeetuus.
2017-07-28T17:06:26 < crt> Mate
2017-07-28T17:06:41 < crt> I pray for it
2017-07-28T17:06:49 < crt> A diabeetis
2017-07-28T17:09:08 < Laurenceb_> >my internet lawyer, Sargon of Akkad, is putting together a lulsuit now, as I will be suing you for multiple logical fallacies
2017-07-28T17:09:55 < crt> Ok
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2017-07-28T17:23:53 < inca> So I have the index of a string descriptor for the interface (iInterface). I don't understand how that gets associated with a string.
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2017-07-28T17:26:40 < inca> the memory string for internal flash is only referenced in the structure USBD_DFU_MediaTypeDef USBD_DFU_fops_FS
2017-07-28T17:28:43 < inca> I tried creating a separate USBD_DFU_MediaTypeDef for OTP, but only the last one registered with USBD_DFU_RegisterMedia() appears in the dfu utility
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2017-07-28T17:35:45 < Laurenceb_> if you fail to report to internet court, the internet government may deport you to internet poland
2017-07-28T17:42:58 < inca> zyp or dongs, can you share or link to any example for USBD DFU with > 1 Alternate setting?
2017-07-28T17:45:59 < inca> ah, you know what... eff it. I will just handle the memory regions I care about in one driver set.
2017-07-28T17:46:30 < inca> OTP + Internal Flash by address in Read/Write/Erase/Status
2017-07-28T17:52:40 < inca> and I don't even need OTP
2017-07-28T17:52:48  * inca sighs
2017-07-28T17:52:58 < inca> well that was fun
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2017-07-28T18:05:26 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7W5KZWIuDY Soyuz MS-05
2017-07-28T18:06:12 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P11y8N22Rq0
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2017-07-28T18:42:55 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWd6XgBVIcg
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2017-07-28T19:06:12 < Thorn> docking in 6 hours
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2017-07-28T20:55:50 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgtc.com/orMbW6R.jpg
2017-07-28T20:56:08 < Laurenceb_> I identify as a general
2017-07-28T20:57:54 < tpw_rules> i wonder what the photoshopper could have done with their time
2017-07-28T21:11:02 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Transgender
2017-07-28T21:13:51 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Linkin_Park
2017-07-28T21:24:43 < Steffanx>  /topic
2017-07-28T21:39:50 < Thorn> Laurenceb_ why don't you do some detailed youtube tutorials on FMCW radars or digital demodulation techniques or whatever. at least you seem to have more than enough time
2017-07-28T21:40:10 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-07-28T21:40:15 < Laurenceb_> I have like no free tiem
2017-07-28T21:40:25 < Laurenceb_> only 5 minutes to troll
2017-07-28T21:40:44 < Laurenceb_> also video tutorials are annoying
2017-07-28T21:41:45 < englishman> what is it that you do, laurent
2017-07-28T21:42:09 < BrainDamage> professional shitposter
2017-07-28T21:43:03 < Laurenceb_> atm house renovation
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2017-07-28T21:43:24 < Laurenceb_> spent 2 hours sorting beams :-/
2017-07-28T21:43:30 < Laurenceb_> at least I get a workout
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2017-07-28T21:44:27 < sync> well, at least you cannot use jetfuel to melt them
2017-07-28T21:45:41 < BrainDamage> dank memes can't sort house beams?
2017-07-28T21:45:43 < Laurenceb_> well yeah cuz they are wooden
2017-07-28T21:46:04 < Laurenceb_> pity modern wood is so shit
2017-07-28T21:46:13 < Laurenceb_> mainly douglas fir crap
2017-07-28T21:48:06 < sync> buy non shit wood then
2017-07-28T21:50:33 < Laurenceb_> will be able to after Brexit
2017-07-28T21:50:35 < Laurenceb_>  /troll
2017-07-28T21:51:55 < BrainDamage> isn't that a sort of bad investiment? housing prices should drop after many people suddendly become homeless :J
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2017-07-28T21:58:07 < Steffanx> We need pics and v-/blogs about your renovating Laurenceb_
2017-07-28T21:58:49 < Laurenceb_> http://i.magaimg.net/img/1265.jpg
2017-07-28T21:59:11 < Steffanx> I bet you hired some polish and now you command them to do your shit
2017-07-28T22:00:01 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_: try this one: http://imgur.com/a/4jZoo
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2017-07-28T22:03:59 < Steffanx> anyone knows the name of such connector ( the green one) ? http://imgur.com/a/RayWU . Mainly used for those U-shaped crimp connectors, i guess(??)
2017-07-28T22:04:33 < sync> it is a terminal block
2017-07-28T22:04:40 < BrainDamage> screw terminal block
2017-07-28T22:05:08 < Steffanx> just that?
2017-07-28T22:05:49 < Steffanx> i expected it to be a special type. As those screw terminals tend to be like https://a.pololu-files.com/picture/0J3614.1200.jpg?7c8cd9186ed12b602be8aa2d3204108f
2017-07-28T22:05:53 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/DwlxD2S
2017-07-28T22:05:56 < Laurenceb_> muh lair
2017-07-28T22:06:37 < BrainDamage> considering your obsession with chicken tendies, i am surprised there's none in sight
2017-07-28T22:06:55 < Laurenceb_> check the table
2017-07-28T22:07:10 < Steffanx> Reverse image searching led me to: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3170832/ Story of your life Laurenceb_?
2017-07-28T22:07:10 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: unfortunately it's  generic name that encompasses a family of terminals
2017-07-28T22:07:45 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2017-07-28T22:08:44 < BrainDamage> awww, no geo exif
2017-07-28T22:08:52 < Steffanx> doesnt imgur remove that?
2017-07-28T22:09:17 < BrainDamage> no idea, i guess it does since it recompresses errything
2017-07-28T22:09:22 < BrainDamage> even when it shouldn't
2017-07-28T22:09:29 < gxti> Steffanx: barrier block or barrier terminal block is one name for those
2017-07-28T22:10:23 < Steffanx> that kinda looks like it indeed, gxti. Thanks!
2017-07-28T22:10:56 < Laurenceb_> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/jul/28/my-dog-molly-underwent-gender-reassignment-surgery
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2017-07-28T23:28:32 < englishman> Canadian border guards have fired their guns only 18 times since the government equipped them with firearms a decade ago, and 11 of the shots were accidental discharges.
2017-07-28T23:28:33 < englishman> lol
2017-07-28T23:30:10 < englishman> the other 7 were all shooting wild animals
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2017-07-28T23:35:59 < zyp> it's not like canada borders a lot of countries though
2017-07-28T23:39:04 < kakimir> did solo today
2017-07-28T23:39:08 < kakimir> not one
2017-07-28T23:39:29 < kakimir> no two
2017-07-28T23:39:31 < kakimir> but 5
2017-07-28T23:40:32 < BrainDamage> we're not interested in your masturbatory habits
2017-07-28T23:42:51 < Steffanx> lol you're mean BrainDamage. Mean BrainDamage is mean.
2017-07-28T23:45:25 < kakimir> massive pumps
2017-07-28T23:46:56 < kakimir> then I got soaking wet my clothes were totally soaked
2017-07-28T23:49:11 < kakimir> they threw me in lake
2017-07-28T23:49:24 < englishman> is that your 1st solo prize
2017-07-28T23:50:06 < kakimir> initialization tradition
2017-07-28T23:50:10 < englishman> nice
2017-07-28T23:51:08 < kakimir> suddently everybody was looking at me and I was like they are planning something
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2017-07-28T23:51:36 < englishman> it used to be they snipped off your tie
2017-07-28T23:51:42 < englishman> but people dont wear ties anymore
2017-07-28T23:51:46 < englishman> so now they are cruel
2017-07-28T23:53:47 < kakimir> then I turned around yet again and mob of pilots are taking me to lake
2017-07-28T23:54:13 < kakimir> just when I was about to wash the plane
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2017-07-29T01:33:07 < dongs> freecancer
2017-07-29T01:34:50 < englishman> dongs
2017-07-29T01:34:56 < englishman> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5zIq15Ip/CS-E7002%20%20%201'.jpg
2017-07-29T01:35:07 < englishman> yellow camo should look dope
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2017-07-29T01:36:20 < dongs> nice rims
2017-07-29T01:36:30 < dongs> is that yours or is that another sample pic
2017-07-29T01:36:36 < englishman> sample
2017-07-29T01:36:40 < englishman> waiting on preclearance to import
2017-07-29T01:36:48 < dongs> awsm
2017-07-29T01:37:03 < dongs> where r u gonna get leaf batts for conversion
2017-07-29T01:37:13 < englishman> dono, i can get singles for like $100
2017-07-29T01:37:19 < englishman> no wrecks for thousands of miles around
2017-07-29T01:37:27 < dongs> safety canadia
2017-07-29T01:37:41 < englishman> more like, the cars are $45k and nobody is buying that junk
2017-07-29T01:38:45 < dongs> yeah they gotta release 60kw version before its useful
2017-07-29T01:39:03 < dongs> https://electrek.co/2017/03/10/nissan-2018-leaf-september/
2017-07-29T01:39:07 < dongs> looks like not too long
2017-07-29T01:39:30 < englishman> got spam from vw today that e-golf has arrived
2017-07-29T01:39:34 < englishman> talk about too little too late
2017-07-29T01:39:43 < dongs> hm? which e-golf, thats been around for yearsa, no?
2017-07-29T01:39:47 < englishman> yep
2017-07-29T01:39:56 < dongs> but it has some garbage 20kw or something pack
2017-07-29T01:40:01 < englishman> yep
2017-07-29T01:40:04 < englishman> and still 40k
2017-07-29T01:40:24 < dongs> It should enable a range greater than 200 miles on single a charge and at a price point of around $35,000, like the current top of the line LEAFs, it could be competitive with Tesla’s Model 3 and GM’s Chevy Bolt EV.
2017-07-29T01:40:28 < dongs> thats not bad
2017-07-29T01:40:43 < englishman> i could see ~20kwh pack if the car was $18k
2017-07-29T01:40:52 < englishman> just enough energy for a day's commute
2017-07-29T01:40:58 < dongs> man fucking autonoumos driving crap
2017-07-29T01:41:02 < dongs> fuck off with that already
2017-07-29T01:41:08 < englishman> no dude
2017-07-29T01:41:14 < dongs> yes dude
2017-07-29T01:41:15 < englishman> theres no autonomous driving
2017-07-29T01:41:19 < englishman> its just cruise control ++
2017-07-29T01:41:22 < dongs> im just reading that blog article
2017-07-29T01:41:27 < englishman> and its awesome
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2017-07-29T01:41:53 < dongs> i can use cruise contro, i dont need $5k+ extra of electronics/garbage
2017-07-29T01:42:04 < dongs> more likely htan not, running LUNIX
2017-07-29T01:42:19 < englishman> not even tesla does anything close to "autonomous driving"
2017-07-29T01:42:27 < englishman> its just cruise control that stays in its lane
2017-07-29T01:42:41 < englishman> itl happily run red lights etc
2017-07-29T01:43:08 < dongs> hm some blogger in comments says bolt ev does 280mi = 450km per charge
2017-07-29T01:43:21 < dongs> oh, its also 60kw
2017-07-29T01:43:24 < dongs> probly looks liek ass right
2017-07-29T01:43:32 < englishman> its a chevy
2017-07-29T01:43:34 < englishman> and en electric car
2017-07-29T01:43:38 < englishman> of course itl look like shit
2017-07-29T01:43:49 < englishman> retards have decided electric cars can't look like normal cars
2017-07-29T01:43:55 < englishman> thay have to look like total dogshit
2017-07-29T01:43:57 < dongs> “The current list price of a Bolt EV HV battery pack is $15,734.29 and the part number is 24285978.”
2017-07-29T01:45:31 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHg3RQLY9sA ???
2017-07-29T01:46:00 < dongs> how is this even a feature, prius/whatever does that shit sicne forever, when ytou hit brake it regens first and if you hit harder, it actually applies brakes
2017-07-29T01:46:01 < englishman> lol
2017-07-29T01:46:04 < englishman> do they haev to explain this
2017-07-29T01:46:07 < dongs> why do you ahve to MANUALLY do this
2017-07-29T01:46:16 < englishman> yeah thats retarded
2017-07-29T01:46:39 < dongs> or going downhill/wahtever it enters into regen mode automatically
2017-07-29T01:46:54 < englishman> in every decel
2017-07-29T01:47:31 < englishman> why does every other manufacturer have to hand the market over to tesla with this bullshit
2017-07-29T01:47:31 < dongs> Instead of losing energy when slowing down, this feature helps you transfer energy to the battery. It works like this: When driving in Low mode at any speed, you can slow down – or even come to a complete stop – by simply lifting your foot off the accelerator. This means you may use your brakes less and help increase your range. One-Pedal Driving and deceleration features may be limited when the battery is near full charge or cold. You should always use you
2017-07-29T01:47:38 < dongs> ...
2017-07-29T01:47:44 < dongs> are they writing this for people who have never been in a car
2017-07-29T01:48:17 < englishman> >you can slow down â or even come to a complete stop â by simply lifting your foot off the accelerator.
2017-07-29T01:48:19 < englishman> yes
2017-07-29T01:48:20 < englishman> clearly
2017-07-29T01:48:30 < englishman> when you take your foot off the gas
2017-07-29T01:48:32 < englishman> you slow down
2017-07-29T01:48:35 < englishman> !!!!!
2017-07-29T01:48:41 < dongs> isn't that common sense in *every* car
2017-07-29T01:50:42 < englishman> does taht atv do regen
2017-07-29T01:51:02 < dongs> no haha. the esc is pretty trash in it
2017-07-29T01:52:51 < englishman> ah well, upgrades
2017-07-29T01:53:05 < dongs> Don't trust the instrumentation. My leaf constantly pretends it could go 80-93mi on a charge but if i ever exceed 35 mi my battery is simply dead.
2017-07-29T01:53:07 < englishman> they said they'll make a 4wd UTV too
2017-07-29T01:53:09 < dongs> haha
2017-07-29T01:53:13 < englishman> which is great, those are even easier to import
2017-07-29T01:53:18 < dongs> thats liek 60km
2017-07-29T01:53:20 < englishman> lol
2017-07-29T01:54:07 < dongs> wtf is UTV, like closed frame or something?
2017-07-29T01:54:17 < englishman> like, side by seats, steering wheel
2017-07-29T01:54:23 < dongs> yeah
2017-07-29T01:54:24 < englishman> usually a pickup style bed
2017-07-29T01:54:32 < dongs> i got some shit like this in alaska from polaris
2017-07-29T01:54:42 < englishman> https://ranger.polaris.com/en-ca/ranger-500/
2017-07-29T01:54:44 < englishman> yea
2017-07-29T01:55:12 < englishman> ours is 6wd tho
2017-07-29T01:57:45 < dongs> apparently shit i got is polaris ranger 570 EVS? EPS? or something but cabin is fully enclosed for alaskause
2017-07-29T02:02:53 < englishman> no clue why these companies have to make 9000 models
2017-07-29T02:03:06 < dongs> americans want choice
2017-07-29T02:03:32 < englishman> is that why there's 9 types of bread at subway that all taste like shit
2017-07-29T02:03:48 < dongs> yes
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2017-07-29T02:22:09 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2017/07/28/north-carolina-hackerspace-destroyed-by-fire-members-vow-to-rebuild/
2017-07-29T02:22:16 < Laurenceb_> inb4 3d printrr
2017-07-29T02:30:13 < dongs> hackerspace more like fireplace
2017-07-29T02:47:50 < englishman> whats the name of that lunix wifi setup tool
2017-07-29T02:47:56 < englishman> im googling "lunix wifi setup tool"
2017-07-29T02:48:04 < englishman> and all i get is "10 tools to connect to wireless networks in Linux"
2017-07-29T02:48:06 < englishman> and related bullshit
2017-07-29T02:48:11 < englishman> i just want 1 tool
2017-07-29T02:48:14 < englishman> and its none of those
2017-07-29T02:48:41 < englishman> something with n in the name
2017-07-29T02:49:36 < englishman> nmtui
2017-07-29T02:49:38 < englishman> finally
2017-07-29T02:52:48 < dongs> waht since when does lunix support wireless
2017-07-29T02:52:54 < dongs> without recompiling kernels or installing 200 new apps
2017-07-29T02:53:02 < dongs> and learning about names like "wifi supplicant"
2017-07-29T02:54:58 < englishman> you still have to know that, but just once
2017-07-29T02:55:11 < englishman> now you also have to know nmtui
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2017-07-29T02:55:34 < dongs> just install windows 10
2017-07-29T02:55:40 < dongs> why would you ahve lunix on anytrhing wiht wifi on it
2017-07-29T02:55:51 < dongs> 386's didnt haev wifi
2017-07-29T02:56:00 < dongs> which is hte highest intel processor fully supported by lunix
2017-07-29T02:56:23 < dongs> anythingabove that is hit and miss since RMS can't afford a core iX
2017-07-29T02:56:44 < englishman> because my address numbers are powered with lunix now
2017-07-29T02:56:57 < dongs> a what numvers
2017-07-29T02:57:05 < englishman> like numbers on the side of the house
2017-07-29T02:57:13 < dongs> lelw
2017-07-29T03:14:18 < Laurenceb_> dongs is trollin as usual
2017-07-29T03:14:25 < dongs> ???
2017-07-29T03:14:38 < Laurenceb_> lunix works
2017-07-29T03:14:46 < Laurenceb_> apart from embedded
2017-07-29T03:14:56 < dongs> the only one trolling here, right NOW is you
2017-07-29T03:15:00 < dongs> lol @ lunix works
2017-07-29T03:15:04 < dongs> ok bro, do a simple test
2017-07-29T03:15:07 < dongs> unplug your mouse
2017-07-29T03:15:08 < ohsix> 802.11x is all about suplicants bro
2017-07-29T03:15:09 < dongs> plug it back in
2017-07-29T03:15:12 < dongs> unplug power
2017-07-29T03:15:13 < dongs> plug it back in
2017-07-29T03:15:15 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2017-07-29T03:15:17 < dongs> see you in a few hours
2017-07-29T03:15:20 < Laurenceb_> wut
2017-07-29T03:15:21 < dongs> after your fsck is finished
2017-07-29T03:15:24 < dongs> and half your files are gone
2017-07-29T03:15:25 < dongs> yea
2017-07-29T03:15:26 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-07-29T03:15:29 < ohsix> this is not good bait to take
2017-07-29T03:15:32 < ohsix> not even funny
2017-07-29T03:15:36 < dongs> thats lunix 4 u
2017-07-29T03:15:39 < dongs> in 2017
2017-07-29T03:15:41 < dongs> ready for desktop
2017-07-29T03:15:48 < dongs> ready for granmas to install
2017-07-29T03:15:52 < dongs> and power off
2017-07-29T03:15:53 < Laurenceb_> it is
2017-07-29T03:15:56 < ohsix> just in time for desktops to rip in peace
2017-07-29T03:16:00 < dongs> and be greted with some cryptic bullshit about 'fsck' on boot
2017-07-29T03:16:12 < dongs> do you want to lose your data [y/y]
2017-07-29T03:16:25 < ohsix> fixed an ipad pro earlier based on a callin from a local mac service place
2017-07-29T03:16:40 < ohsix> now i just need to find something to talk about on youtube for hours every day and i can be louis rossman
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2017-07-29T03:34:53 < Laurenceb_> I find that offensive. Some of my best friends are racists and they're wonderful people.
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2017-07-29T03:42:50 < dongs> your mom is offensive
2017-07-29T03:42:56 < dongs> 09:15 < Laurenceb_> it is
2017-07-29T03:42:56 < dongs> 09:16 < dongs> and be greted with some cryptic bullshit about 'fsck' on boot
2017-07-29T03:42:56 < dongs> 09:16 < dongs> do you want to lose your data [y/y]
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2017-07-29T03:43:00 < dongs> er sorry.
2017-07-29T03:43:14 < dongs> are there 3d models of pogo pins
2017-07-29T03:43:37 < dongs> like chines shits, not fucking millmax overpriced trash
2017-07-29T03:44:17 < dongs> https://www.3dcontentcentral.com/secure/download-model.aspx?catalogid=171&id=491079 bingo
2017-07-29T03:51:20 < Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/media-center/press-item.html/c2826.html
2017-07-29T03:51:25 < Laurenceb_> FAKE NEWS
2017-07-29T03:51:37 < Laurenceb_> ST confirmed as Trump
2017-07-29T03:52:11 < dongs> haha
2017-07-29T03:52:19 < dongs> my dickstarter pals weer worried about that
2017-07-29T03:52:25 < dongs> now i know where they get thier news from, FACEBOOK
2017-07-29T03:53:02 < Laurenceb_> wut did it say?
2017-07-29T03:53:24 < dongs> something about mcu shortage
2017-07-29T03:53:27 < dongs> due to fabs something or other
2017-07-29T03:53:32 < Laurenceb_> ah
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2017-07-29T04:08:59 < crt> msg nickserv identify goyim
2017-07-29T04:10:37 < dongs> lol, watching belko experiment, there's a spic version of 'i will survive' during the opening sequence
2017-07-29T04:11:36 < dongs> oh, its by james gunn, that gets more interesting
2017-07-29T04:13:20 < Laurenceb_> I just watched the moth diaries
2017-07-29T04:13:28 < Laurenceb_> worst film evar
2017-07-29T04:13:36 < Laurenceb_> 14% on rotten tomatoes lol
2017-07-29T04:14:43 < Laurenceb_> the belko experiment sounds like a lame saw clone
2017-07-29T04:14:52 < Laurenceb_> first saw films were actually good
2017-07-29T04:15:21 < Laurenceb_> just like first series of homeland was good
2017-07-29T04:15:32 < Laurenceb_> and first 2 terminator films were good
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2017-07-29T04:31:53 < crt> hi laurenceb
2017-07-29T04:32:14 < crt> isnt rotten tomatos where paedophiles rate their latest rape
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2017-07-29T04:48:45 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/eck8y :P
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2017-07-29T05:27:09 < englishman> Steffanx sony was caught talking about you in their leaked emails http://i.imgur.com/sBHVt8a.png
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2017-07-29T06:02:19 < dongs> https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYsasBbx1jPiY0g/giphy.gif haha
2017-07-29T06:15:27 < aandrew> dongs caught on camera
2017-07-29T06:15:30 < aandrew> that's awesome
2017-07-29T06:21:43 < dongs> https://m.slashdot.org/story/329261 RIP R2COM
2017-07-29T06:22:48 < aandrew> https://i.redd.it/8obntsq2kdcz.jpg <-- that's what that guy looks like after eating all that
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2017-07-29T06:59:45 < dongs> damn. roundtrip hk tix are liek $100 on sale
2017-07-29T07:01:06 < emeb_mac> invent an execuse
2017-07-29T07:01:12 < englishman> why tho
2017-07-29T07:01:24 < dongs> englishman: $20 train to china
2017-07-29T07:01:30 < englishman> yeah but why
2017-07-29T07:01:36 < englishman> join the poverty maker crew
2017-07-29T07:01:39 < dongs> no reason. just to fuck around.
2017-07-29T07:01:40 < dongs> ya
2017-07-29T07:01:48 < dongs> maybe get my dick sucked by bunnie
2017-07-29T07:01:50 < englishman> the smt version of akihabara
2017-07-29T07:03:03 < dongs> Airport Construction Fee1× JPY 1,400
2017-07-29T07:03:04 < dongs> haha
2017-07-29T07:21:13 < aandrew> HK was kind of cool
2017-07-29T07:21:34 < aandrew> I was a total gaijin tourist but I did go to the open market and buy a couple azn dresses for my wife
2017-07-29T07:26:56 < dongs> < aandrew> I was a total gaijin tourist but I did go to the open market and buy a couple azn dresses for myself
2017-07-29T07:26:59 < dongs> ftfy
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2017-07-29T07:43:45 < aandrew> hah
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2017-07-29T07:49:12 < dongs> all i got was a fucking picture of a dick
2017-07-29T07:51:18 < englishman> wow very relevant
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2017-07-29T08:43:26 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuQQOInbF88
2017-07-29T08:43:57 < ohsix> bunch of pretty talented session musicians doing jazz/flapper/old school covers of shit
2017-07-29T08:48:25 < englishman> dongs, dont eat these http://i.imgur.com/56rD3lF.jpg
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2017-07-29T08:48:34 < englishman> they are fucking hot
2017-07-29T09:01:41 < ohsix> haha
2017-07-29T09:01:55 < ohsix> did you plant them or find them
2017-07-29T09:02:04 < ohsix> smaller peppers tend to be the craziest
2017-07-29T09:02:18 < ohsix> though there's a great one that is awesome when dried & cured
2017-07-29T09:06:14 < ohsix> wtffffffff
2017-07-29T09:06:35 < ohsix> i've been buying legit looking hispanic food from el guapo and it's just a mccormick brand??? :( http://www.mccormickcorporation.com/Flavors-Brands/Explore-the-Brands/El-Guapo
2017-07-29T09:07:44 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pequin_pepper these are good
2017-07-29T09:12:31 < ohsix> if you put them in oil it goes yellow & reddish immediately, little like saffron
2017-07-29T09:14:47 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/gallery/oo55C
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2017-07-29T10:12:26 < dongs> aandrew: i see upgrdman is getting better at 3d modeling
2017-07-29T10:24:29 < zyp> haha
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2017-07-29T10:31:14 < Steffanx> N.B.D. englishman
2017-07-29T10:37:29 < ohsix> aandrew: is that about the bitcoin hard fork?
2017-07-29T10:54:59 < zyp> ohsix, I wonder how that is going to play out
2017-07-29T10:55:43 < dongs> i'm gonna guess he'll never finish it
2017-07-29T10:55:59 < zyp> dongs, nothing he's doing
2017-07-29T10:56:30 < dongs> do you know if I can change usart baudrate without stopping/restarting it?
2017-07-29T10:56:36 < dongs> jkust durectly fuckign with bRR
2017-07-29T10:57:11 < zyp> idk, what does DS say?
2017-07-29T10:57:15 < dongs> it doesnt
2017-07-29T10:59:37 < dongs> there's RE in CR1
2017-07-29T11:01:47 < ohsix> zyp: people may come to realize the existential risks of those cryptocurrencies aren't hypothetical
2017-07-29T11:02:19 < ohsix> it verges on antisemetic in most cases when people say bitcoin isn't centrally controlled, like, they're only talking about banks
2017-07-29T11:02:57 < ohsix> but the embodiment is software, and people with different ideas can fuck shit up, and there may be a de-facto concensus but it fucks everything up
2017-07-29T11:03:38 < ohsix> what is playing out right now, is people taking btc from the exchanges into personal wallets, so they can have access to the wallet on both sides of the fork
2017-07-29T11:03:49 < ohsix> which is pretty hilarious! it's a run on the bank!
2017-07-29T11:04:29 < zyp> yeah, I did that myself, with the toy money I've put into it
2017-07-29T11:05:58 < ohsix> i don't know how much faith people put on the idea that it is actually decentralized, but that's like the first or 3rd thing people mention when talking about it
2017-07-29T11:06:54 < ohsix> i end up talking about bitcoin a lot but ghfggh i could not give a fook; just keeps come up
2017-07-29T11:06:59 < zyp> well, it is
2017-07-29T11:07:15 < ohsix> that's like a spirit not the rule thing tho
2017-07-29T11:07:27 < ohsix> it's decentralized but you can make code changes that fork the blockchain
2017-07-29T11:07:28 < zyp> you're free to fork off and start your own whatever too, it's just that it's worthless unless anybody are willing to pay for it
2017-07-29T11:07:58 < zyp> so it'll be interesting to see how much support the fork gets
2017-07-29T11:08:18 < ohsix> they're positioning it the best way they can for it to stay alive after the fork
2017-07-29T11:08:19 < zyp> if people will actually pay for it, it'll have a value, otherwise it won't
2017-07-29T11:08:34 < zyp> which is why it'll be interesting to se how it'll play out
2017-07-29T11:08:42 < ohsix> people will already have coins on the new chain and they can spend it on both
2017-07-29T11:09:09 < zyp> yes
2017-07-29T11:09:36 < zyp> but how do you spend it if nobody accepts it?
2017-07-29T11:10:53 < ohsix> nobody accepted bitcoin for most of its' life; there are exchanges that are going to do both, and a handful that are going on the bcc side with the bigger block sizes
2017-07-29T11:11:37 < ohsix> that they call it bit cash or whatever basically describes a new and novel use vis-a-vis btc, in that transactions are less of a bottleneck without the block size limit
2017-07-29T11:12:45 < ohsix> the financial aspect is even less interesting than the technical ones, hehe
2017-07-29T11:12:53 < ohsix> people do stupid shit and money moves around
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2017-07-29T12:52:54 < crt> Stm32
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2017-07-29T12:59:07 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome.
2017-07-29T12:59:24 < crt> Ty
2017-07-29T12:59:50 < crt> Full take care
2017-07-29T13:00:11 < Steffanx> *ky
2017-07-29T13:00:23 < crt> Yah
2017-07-29T13:00:38 < crt> Where is stffn
2017-07-29T13:00:51 < Steffanx> How is it pumping crt?
2017-07-29T13:00:59 < crt> Well
2017-07-29T13:01:03 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32
2017-07-29T13:01:35 < crt> I went on a pumping spree
2017-07-29T13:04:00 < crt> And you?
2017-07-29T13:05:44 < Steffanx> Im good. Thank you.
2017-07-29T13:06:39 < crt> That is good news
2017-07-29T13:07:48 < crt> Tonight I rest
2017-07-29T13:09:59 < Steffanx> Relax with a waffle?
2017-07-29T13:10:26 < crt> They're at the shop
2017-07-29T13:12:04 < crt> Next time the bong is out I'll bring some
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2017-07-29T13:15:07 < crt> 🤡
2017-07-29T13:16:52 < crt> Welcome
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2017-07-29T13:25:05 < Steffanx> Here, crt
2017-07-29T13:25:26 < crt> Thanks
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2017-07-29T13:37:29 < Steffanx> must watch for crt : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4877122/
2017-07-29T13:38:49 < crt> Lets find it out
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2017-07-29T13:44:51 < Steffanx> Tek2.
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2017-07-29T14:23:00 < Tectu> yes.
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2017-07-29T17:00:14 < englishman> omfg Tectu is alive
2017-07-29T17:00:25 < englishman> we thought you died in prison for your sex crimes
2017-07-29T17:01:08 < Steffanx> i heard he attacked  people with a chainsaw
2017-07-29T17:08:14 < englishman> wow this lunix computer hasn't even been on for 24h and already its not responding to ping or ssh
2017-07-29T17:18:31 < Steffanx> pebkac
2017-07-29T17:18:46 < Steffanx> I bet windows wouldnt even boot.
2017-07-29T17:19:13 < Steffanx> Dont do Go, englishman
2017-07-29T17:23:05 < Steffanx> What computer is this and what does it run on top of lunix mr englishman?
2017-07-29T17:23:32 < englishman> no go on this computer
2017-07-29T17:23:34 < englishman> orangepi zero
2017-07-29T17:23:40 < englishman> and, nothing
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2017-07-29T17:23:56 < englishman> just using it to ssh into and flash a stm32 via stlink
2017-07-29T17:23:58 < Steffanx> oh allwhiner
2017-07-29T17:24:03 < englishman> yes
2017-07-29T17:24:05 < englishman> and its already failed
2017-07-29T17:24:08 < Steffanx> You asked for it
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2017-07-29T17:25:11 < dongs> englishman: looks like you need my shittyflasher
2017-07-29T17:25:15 < dongs> instead of lunix
2017-07-29T17:25:24 < englishman> does it support wifi
2017-07-29T17:25:31 < dongs> wiwhat
2017-07-29T17:25:34 < dongs> its standalone
2017-07-29T17:25:42 < dongs> pres butan to falsh
2017-07-29T17:25:50 < dongs> no ened for pc/faggotry
2017-07-29T17:25:55 < englishman> yea this is going on the side of the house like 20' up
2017-07-29T17:26:03 < englishman> needs wifi
2017-07-29T17:28:35 < dongs> wehy dyou need to flash stm32 from "20' up"
2017-07-29T17:28:38 < dongs> also waht the fuck is that inr eal units
2017-07-29T17:28:50 < englishman> ladder height
2017-07-29T17:29:26 < englishman> because there will be a stm32 out of physical reach that i want to reflash periodically
2017-07-29T17:29:39 < englishman> logical solution was to attach a $5 lunix computer with wifi
2017-07-29T17:29:42 < englishman> connected with stlink
2017-07-29T17:29:46 < englishman> but that has failed
2017-07-29T17:31:01 < dongs> snort
2017-07-29T17:31:26 < Steffanx> put a windows pc there. The solution is soo easy
2017-07-29T17:31:32 < Steffanx> dont you have a spare pc that still runs windows xp?
2017-07-29T17:31:43 < PaulFertser> englishman: normal orange pi worked on my desk for many days straight. And it also has a watchdog I think, you just didn't have it enabled.
2017-07-29T17:31:51 < PaulFertser> s/orangepi/bananapi/
2017-07-29T17:32:02 < englishman> rebooted and now it's not connected to wifi at all
2017-07-29T17:32:30 < englishman> gotta take it back to work monday, connect via uart and see wtf is up
2017-07-29T17:33:14 < englishman> no idea what a lunix watchdog would be for
2017-07-29T17:33:20 < englishman> i just want it to work
2017-07-29T17:33:47 < englishman> is "working" mode not enabled by default
2017-07-29T17:36:09 < PaulFertser> I mean if the board gets into some state where it can't work, it should be rebooted by that integrated hardware watchdog.
2017-07-29T17:36:35 < PaulFertser> And btw, broadcom is known for crappy wifis.
2017-07-29T17:37:00 < karlp_> really?
2017-07-29T17:37:08 < karlp_> I thought they were only known for unfriendly linux drivers
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2017-07-29T17:37:35 < rue_more> anyone know issues with doing floating point on stm32?
2017-07-29T17:37:50 < rue_more> I tried some basics and it ... flopped hard... hah
2017-07-29T17:38:10 < karlp> that's not very descriptive
2017-07-29T17:38:14 < rue_more> anyhow, didn't work, is there a trick?
2017-07-29T17:38:22 < karlp> that's not any more descriptive
2017-07-29T17:38:47 < rue_more> were talking like adding 0.1 to a number and waiting for it to be greater than 1
2017-07-29T17:39:07 < karlp> sounds like user error.
2017-07-29T17:39:36 < rue_more> if there aren't known issues, I'll go and try again
2017-07-29T17:40:48 < karlp> float num = 0.5; num += 0.1; while(num < 1.0) { printf("yes, infinite loop...."); } ?
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2017-07-29T17:42:44 < PaulFertser> karlp: heard of broadpwn yet?
2017-07-29T17:43:05 < Steffanx> rue_more is using hard fpu and did not enable it?
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2017-07-29T17:43:23 < PaulFertser> karlp: also, crappy drivers + no documentation leads to crappy user experience as a whole.
2017-07-29T17:43:33 < karlp> works on windows
2017-07-29T17:43:45 < karlp> intel's hardly any better. documentation and staff, still shitty drivers and user experience
2017-07-29T17:44:01 < Steffanx> works on windows
2017-07-29T17:44:08 < karlp> isn't it really, "modern wifi chipsets have been costcut to the point that they suck, by definition, regardless of the vendor"
2017-07-29T17:44:26 < dongs> rue_more: did you enable hardware fp on MCUs that suport it
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2017-07-29T17:44:36 < Rob235> hmm, how can I debug why this 16x2 lcd doesn't seem to be working
2017-07-29T17:44:37 < dongs> if you don't enable, i think it crashes hard if you try to use fp instructions.
2017-07-29T17:44:55 < karlp> only if you also linked and compiled to use it.
2017-07-29T17:44:56 < rue_more> I'm better than that, thansk
2017-07-29T17:45:04 < karlp> but hey, no details from user, no way to give specifics
2017-07-29T17:45:06 < rue_more> Steffanx, ... you need to enable the fpu?
2017-07-29T17:45:30 < rue_more> damn, they have clock enables for everything
2017-07-29T17:45:44 < rue_more> what bit am I looking for?
2017-07-29T17:46:06 < rue_more> stm32F103
2017-07-29T17:46:30 < Steffanx> oh that one has no fpu
2017-07-29T17:46:52 < rue_more> do I need ot set a compiler flag to use soemthing then?
2017-07-29T17:47:05 < karlp> just don't tell it you have an FPU
2017-07-29T17:47:06 < rue_more> gcc should just do it, right?
2017-07-29T17:47:47 < dongs> F103 has no FPU so you just do nothing.
2017-07-29T17:48:09 < rue_more> -lm still tho, right?
2017-07-29T17:48:17 < dongs> sure?
2017-07-29T17:48:20 < dongs> no idea on gcc
2017-07-29T17:48:53 < PaulFertser> rue_more: yes, -lm and multilib should take care of linking the right version.
2017-07-29T17:49:40 < rue_more> multilib eh? hmmm
2017-07-29T17:50:38 < rue_more> http://paste.debian.net/978770/
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2017-07-29T17:50:46 < rue_more> this took a LONG time to get working
2017-07-29T17:51:00 < dongs> seeing this makes me glad I use keil
2017-07-29T17:51:04 < dongs> what a horrible makefile
2017-07-29T17:51:11 < Steffanx> ^ was waiting  for it
2017-07-29T17:51:30 < Steffanx> Actually i was not, but i expected it.
2017-07-29T17:52:02 < rue_more> it works great, I just dont have any floating point...
2017-07-29T17:52:44 < dongs> how do you know?
2017-07-29T17:52:52 < dongs> like, what are you doing and its not doing
2017-07-29T17:53:01 < karlp> you still haven't really described what "not working" means
2017-07-29T17:53:05 < dongs> ^ yes
2017-07-29T17:53:12 < rue_more> dont know if I can find the failed source now, I think I just integered it
2017-07-29T17:53:15 < PaulFertser> rue_more: and what toolchain are you using? "gcc --print-multi-lib" will show if it's enabled.
2017-07-29T17:53:42 < PaulFertser> rue_more: it's likely an algorithm error if it didn't hardfault.
2017-07-29T17:54:05 < rue_more> fpu;@mfloat-abi=hard
2017-07-29T17:54:09 < rue_more> hmmm
2017-07-29T17:54:34 < PaulFertser> rue_more: is that the only one?
2017-07-29T17:54:43 < rue_more> http://paste.debian.net/978773/
2017-07-29T17:55:15 < rue_more> its not doing anything other than hard is it?
2017-07-29T17:55:36 < PaulFertser> rue_more:
2017-07-29T17:55:54 < PaulFertser> armv7-m;@mthumb@march=armv7-m is correct and should get selected with your makefile. So software fpu emulation is used. Seems everything's fine.
2017-07-29T17:55:59  * rue_more gets out the "kill me now" gun, "do I have to recompile gcc?"
2017-07-29T17:56:09 < rue_more> oh good
2017-07-29T17:56:11 < rue_more> k
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2017-07-29T18:02:28 < rue_more> ok well, this is a direction, cant work on it right now, but now I have something to look for
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2017-07-29T18:05:16 < rue_more> I'll try more simple things, like that example above ;) and come back if I have more grief from it
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2017-07-29T18:27:13 < kakimir> hello pumps
2017-07-29T18:27:17 < kakimir> 7 solos today
2017-07-29T18:36:50 < englishman> fly better kaks
2017-07-29T18:42:11 < kakimir> I see bored tired people around me and I'm like one more please
2017-07-29T18:42:44 < englishman> do you bring music pumps in the cockpit
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2017-07-29T18:42:51 < kakimir> I wish
2017-07-29T18:42:58 < englishman> why not
2017-07-29T18:43:02 < kakimir> I was thinking about intercom earlier
2017-07-29T18:43:04 < englishman> first solo was darude - sandstorm
2017-07-29T18:43:28 < englishman> in a glider you dont even need headphones
2017-07-29T18:43:36 < kakimir> to have good musics
2017-07-29T18:43:50 < kakimir> you always need headphones unless you are rich
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2017-07-29T18:44:13 < englishman> even in glider?
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2017-07-29T18:44:37 < kakimir> in glider no other chance than fully closed headphones connected to intercom
2017-07-29T18:44:49 < englishman> ah really
2017-07-29T18:44:55 < englishman> i thought it would be nice a quiet
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2017-07-29T18:45:28 < kakimir> then Vne 270kmh and you don't hear a thing
2017-07-29T18:45:41 < sync> huh? ours were always quiet enough to talk
2017-07-29T18:45:45 < sync> even when racing ICEs
2017-07-29T18:46:04 < kakimir> yes it quiet
2017-07-29T18:46:23 < sync> so why dat intercom
2017-07-29T18:46:32 < kakimir> but not silent
2017-07-29T18:46:39 < kakimir> because headphones
2017-07-29T18:46:43 < kakimir> because musics
2017-07-29T18:46:45 < kakimir> because
2017-07-29T18:46:54 < kakimir> sauna>
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2017-07-29T19:32:39 < englishman> if you touch reset line on swift piksi with a dmm, piksi resets
2017-07-29T19:32:44 < englishman> sent them video
2017-07-29T19:32:55 < englishman> reply: "uh yeah we can repro. looking into it"
2017-07-29T19:32:57 < englishman> pro hardware
2017-07-29T19:36:19 < Steffanx> totally worth the $595
2017-07-29T19:37:55 < englishman> il tell you what is totally worth it, bq40z60
2017-07-29T19:38:00 < englishman> my lipos have not exploded even once
2017-07-29T19:44:09 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GggK9SjJpuQ
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2017-07-29T19:48:12 < Steffanx> Not yet. I can help them go 💥 englishman
2017-07-29T20:06:03 < kakimir> damn I heard good song yesterday
2017-07-29T20:07:02 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn3wJ1_1Zsg
2017-07-29T20:08:34 < kakimir> sauna was proper at this time
2017-07-29T20:10:44 < kakimir> went to sauna 4-5times and to swimming 3 times
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2017-07-29T20:32:44 < Steffanx> Main stream kakimir.
2017-07-29T20:35:20 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-29T20:36:41 < kakimir> but do you hear pop like this daily?
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2017-07-29T20:40:34 < kakimir> I still feel the plane rocking and especially the bouncings and floatings when landing
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2017-07-29T20:46:57 < kakimir> you know that feeling when you go to roller coaster few times and in the evening you still spin around
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2017-07-29T21:08:21 < kakimir> Steffanx: please musics
2017-07-29T21:09:38 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU
2017-07-29T21:10:34 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNOFJzlfua4
2017-07-29T21:10:40 < kakimir> same category as celine dion - my heart will go on Steffanx
2017-07-29T21:11:13 < kakimir> every little girl who has seen corresponding movie is singin it for 2years
2017-07-29T21:11:25 < kakimir> or big or boy
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2017-07-29T21:17:12 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWSLhMLVas4 that name reminded me of
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2017-07-29T21:17:43 < kakimir> in top5 tites albums I know
2017-07-29T21:20:27 < kakimir> these songs are long pumppers
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2017-07-29T21:33:34 < kakimir> usually when you listen the whole album you get two songs and else is filler
2017-07-29T21:33:45 < kakimir> in this it just keeps getting better
2017-07-29T21:42:23 < kakimir> hello
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2017-07-29T22:38:53 < kakimir> movie recomds?
2017-07-29T22:40:26 < Steffanx> A Cure for wellness
2017-07-29T22:40:30 < Steffanx> swiss quality.
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2017-07-29T23:11:12 < kakimir> no stef
2017-07-29T23:12:49 < Steffanx> why not kakimir?
2017-07-29T23:13:04 < Steffanx> have you seen it?
2017-07-29T23:16:15 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9pJ8RzZuss demoscene
2017-07-29T23:16:25 < kakimir> little demoscene moment
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2017-07-29T23:17:25 < kakimir> hey stef papa.. are you kood with network things?
2017-07-29T23:17:49 < kakimir> I want to keep ircin using my wifi connection
2017-07-29T23:18:09 < kakimir> but plug in usb3.0 ethernet that is connected to raspi
2017-07-29T23:18:31 < kakimir> that wants dhcp to give ip to it
2017-07-29T23:18:45 < kakimir> maybe I just.. share connection to it
2017-07-29T23:19:06 < kakimir> and expose it's default ssh to network
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2017-07-30T01:23:01 < crt> Please
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2017-07-30T01:28:39 < Laurenceb_> https://politicalscrapbook.net/2016/11/guido-fawkes-scores-own-donkey-cck-goal-after-misunderstanding-web-ads/amp/
2017-07-30T01:28:43 < Laurenceb_> W E W
2017-07-30T02:03:38 < Laurenceb_> Is this place still nice and autistic lads?
2017-07-30T02:11:53 < sync> only when you shitpost m8
2017-07-30T02:11:59 < Tectu>  that ^
2017-07-30T02:12:42 < Tectu> one can actually omit the ´shit´ part:  -->   only when you post m8
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2017-07-30T02:33:45 < Laurenceb_> stop bullying me
2017-07-30T02:33:49 < Laurenceb_> I'll shoot you all
2017-07-30T02:33:50 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/QmgQXLG
2017-07-30T02:34:36 < Laurenceb_> >tries to shoot up a school on Saturday
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2017-07-30T03:07:59 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/fUNPdq1
2017-07-30T03:08:09 < Laurenceb_> lair is less lairlike
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2017-07-30T03:11:49 < sync> well, it is wet
2017-07-30T03:12:06 < sync> "dank"
2017-07-30T03:14:06 < Laurenceb_> need to acid wash the chimney
2017-07-30T03:17:58 < Laurenceb_> I used the wrong size brick at one point in the chimney too
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2017-07-30T03:37:00 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/VtobIxP
2017-07-30T03:37:18 < Laurenceb_> beamwork intensifies
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2017-07-30T04:11:29 < crt> foot
2017-07-30T04:13:18 < crt> I've used the google
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2017-07-30T04:40:29 < dongs> hello dongs
2017-07-30T04:48:06 < jadew> has pandora radio turned to shit lately or is it just me?
2017-07-30T04:48:52 < jadew> seems to make all sorts of bad picks
2017-07-30T04:55:49 < jadew> oh well, at least my old stations are still ok
2017-07-30T05:00:05 < dongs> lol radio
2017-07-30T05:01:23 < jadew> I ran out of shows
2017-07-30T05:02:31 < dongs> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/new-tab-new-window/dndlcbaomdoggooaficldplkcmkfpgff/related?hl=en i found the perfect google extension
2017-07-30T05:02:46 < jadew> lol
2017-07-30T05:03:29 < jadew> I wish they made one where the tabs woudn't shrink down to nothing
2017-07-30T05:03:38 < dongs> you're looking at it
2017-07-30T05:03:44 < jadew> heh
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2017-07-30T05:36:23 < crt> Stm32 saturday
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2017-07-30T06:21:00 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/LeafyGregariousIndianabat
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2017-07-30T09:02:28 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/danluu/status/891508449414197248 amped
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2017-07-30T09:51:49 < crt> What's the fucking ohmage man?
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2017-07-30T11:06:57 < Tectu> what´s AMP
2017-07-30T11:07:49 < ohsix> the tiles google puts in search results that have their own wrapper
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2017-07-30T11:19:04 < Steffanx> Lol "amp6" hates AMP too?
2017-07-30T11:19:39 < Steffanx> You and dongs should be best friends4ever
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2017-07-30T11:37:03 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome.
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2017-07-30T11:46:14 < Tectu> no
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2017-07-30T12:27:29 < upgrdman> whats pumping, pros?
2017-07-30T12:31:04 < Thorn> <AppBar iconElementLeft={<IconButton onClick={() => local_controller.toggleSidebar()}><NavigationMenu/></IconButton>} />
2017-07-30T12:51:24 < Steffanx> Irc clipboard Thorn ?
2017-07-30T12:59:19 < upgrdman> laurenceb, is a 50ukp note considered big?
2017-07-30T13:00:02 < upgrdman> some woman gave me a wtf look when i used a 50ukp note to pay for some junk food at sainsburys
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2017-07-30T13:14:10 < ohsix> y
2017-07-30T13:14:52 < ohsix> Steffanx: actually don't care, but anger is reaaaal
2017-07-30T13:15:02 < ohsix> i don't see most of the shit like that, adblock already does something to it
2017-07-30T13:15:03 < Steffanx> I think it is upgrdman. I wouldnt pay something of 3 euro with a 50 euro bill
2017-07-30T13:15:12 < Steffanx> Unless i dont have something else
2017-07-30T13:15:44 < upgrdman> lol, ok
2017-07-30T13:15:56 < Steffanx> Nowadays 50 euro = 50 ukp so..
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2017-07-30T13:16:32 < upgrdman> i never pay with cash when at home so i didnt even think about it.
2017-07-30T13:16:49 < Steffanx> upgrdman is on holiday in the uk?
2017-07-30T13:16:49 < dongs> sup serial innovators
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2017-07-30T13:17:18 < upgrdman> steff, business trip inception.
2017-07-30T13:17:32 < Steffanx> I still prefer to pay with case. I like to see what i spend
2017-07-30T13:17:39 < Steffanx> Cash*
2017-07-30T13:17:49 < upgrdman> was in shanghai, then flew to london for a few days
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2017-07-30T13:18:18 < Steffanx> Better pay laurenceb a visit
2017-07-30T13:18:33 < Steffanx> Hes DIYing in his new old house
2017-07-30T13:20:49 < upgrdman> my dumb ass brough my laptop but left the psu in cn
2017-07-30T13:21:07 < upgrdman> so im using my phone for ircing
2017-07-30T13:21:23 < upgrdman> first time using android split screen, kinda neat
2017-07-30T13:27:32 < Steffanx> laptop = macbook pro right?
2017-07-30T13:31:28 < upgrdman> no, sold the mbpr a while ago. usin
2017-07-30T13:31:32 < upgrdman> err
2017-07-30T13:31:50 < upgrdman> now using a surface bro 4
2017-07-30T13:32:06 < upgrdman> or would,if i had the psu
2017-07-30T13:32:24 < dongs> if you HAD a fagbook, you could have just grabbed a random USB-C PSU anywhere
2017-07-30T13:32:28 < upgrdman> so, note 5 duos fow now
2017-07-30T13:32:30 < dongs> now ur fukd with bullshit proprietary microsoft crap
2017-07-30T13:32:35 < upgrdman> lol
2017-07-30T13:35:26 < upgrdman> dongie saying i should use an apple product, now ive seen everything
2017-07-30T13:39:17 < Steffanx> you have seen his dong?
2017-07-30T13:40:23 < dongs> upgrdman: dell xps also charges from usb-c/us-pd
2017-07-30T13:40:34 < dongs> for non-faggot crowd
2017-07-30T13:40:37 < upgrdman> nice
2017-07-30T13:41:18 < upgrdman> dongs, can xps trickle charge from a .5a phone charger
2017-07-30T13:41:32 < dongs> probly, no idea
2017-07-30T13:41:41 < upgrdman> i'd love that
2017-07-30T13:42:17 < upgrdman> would make short trips super nice. just phone charger needed for basic laptop uze
2017-07-30T13:43:36 < zyp> what phone charger is only .5A?
2017-07-30T13:44:14 < upgrdman> old ones
2017-07-30T13:44:33 < upgrdman> basically i just meant... charge from any usbport
2017-07-30T13:54:37 < sync> dongs: what xps do you have, the 13"?
2017-07-30T13:54:52 < zyp> I tend to expect modern charger shit to provide >2A
2017-07-30T13:54:59 < sync> I wonder how the gpu performance is
2017-07-30T13:55:26 < zyp> the thing I use for charging my phone supports PD and can do like 29W, not that my phone can even make use of it
2017-07-30T13:57:16 < upgrdman> ya i think my shittyist usb charger is 1a, from the android 2.2 era
2017-07-30T13:57:56 < zyp> just looked at one I had floating around my desk, .85A
2017-07-30T13:58:09 < zyp> from my first android phone, that came with 1.6
2017-07-30T14:01:18 < sync> but there is nothing on the market that is smaller than 15" with dedicated gpu and 32G ram basically
2017-07-30T14:03:17 < upgrdman> sync, you dont like big laptops whne you need processing power?
2017-07-30T14:03:20 < Steffanx> Whats wrong with 15"?
2017-07-30T14:03:56 < Steffanx> They always say bigger is better.
2017-07-30T14:04:11 < sync> yes upgrdman, I want a small laptop with powar
2017-07-30T14:04:26 < upgrdman> k
2017-07-30T14:04:48 < Steffanx> Why? Using vms much or what sync?
2017-07-30T14:04:50 < upgrdman> i kinda wish my bro4 had a gpu
2017-07-30T14:04:59 < sync> yes, also CAD
2017-07-30T14:05:25 < Steffanx> A gpu ok, but 32GB ram..
2017-07-30T14:05:49 < sync> I regularily run out on my desktop with 64G
2017-07-30T14:06:05 < Steffanx> You're doing it wrong.
2017-07-30T14:06:09 < Steffanx> damn.
2017-07-30T14:06:12 < hexo_> 32g ram is not much :D
2017-07-30T14:06:21 < upgrdman> how many chrome tabs, lol
2017-07-30T14:06:22 < hexo_> it's not 1999 anymore
2017-07-30T14:06:25 < sync> no, I just have VMs running for shit
2017-07-30T14:06:32 < sync> and a shitload of chromium tabs, yeah
2017-07-30T14:06:36 < sync> it regularily wants 20G+
2017-07-30T14:06:58 < Steffanx> probably because it can.
2017-07-30T14:07:16 < hexo_> last time i did some export of STEP file to OpenCOLLADA and that bastard ate 29.3G ram
2017-07-30T14:07:31 < hexo_> it took 15mins on higly oc'd i7 :D
2017-07-30T14:07:32 < Steffanx> sounds like open sores.
2017-07-30T14:07:53 < sync> well, when scanning stuff with geomagic it also wants a shitload of ram
2017-07-30T14:08:06 < sync> when there are 50M points in the point cloud
2017-07-30T14:08:13 < sync> or more
2017-07-30T14:08:21 < hexo_> it's important to NOT have 32G swap :D
2017-07-30T14:08:29 < hexo_> or you'll die waiting for OOM :D
2017-07-30T14:08:42 < Steffanx> i would still prefer 15" over 13" especially when CAD ( and bad eyes, like mine )
2017-07-30T14:09:06 < zyp> the fuck are you working on CAD on a laptop for
2017-07-30T14:09:16 < sync> yes, but for mobile innovations I prefer 13"
2017-07-30T14:09:27 < sync> zyp: surface reconstruction for 3d scans
2017-07-30T14:09:38 < zyp> 15 is a compromise, get a small laptop and plug it into a bigger screen when you want to work or something
2017-07-30T14:09:39 < Steffanx> i have a bag that prefectly fits a 15" laptop
2017-07-30T14:09:50 < sync> 15" is hueg
2017-07-30T14:10:15 < sync> I've been running 13" for 10 years now, it is ideal
2017-07-30T14:10:19 < BrainDamage> 15 is still transportable, my backpack fits 15in perfectly, but the annoying part is the weight, not the size
2017-07-30T14:10:19 < sync> for me at least
2017-07-30T14:10:27 < upgrdman> sync, would the surface book fit your needs
2017-07-30T14:10:38 < BrainDamage> the extra area means also extra junk on the pcb area and more weight
2017-07-30T14:10:48 < upgrdman> its overpriced, but otherwise i think it fits your reqs
2017-07-30T14:11:16 < Steffanx> BrainDamage, im not 13 anymore. Im a grown boy that can carry some weight.
2017-07-30T14:12:20 < sync> Steffanx: yeah, my eyes are still good, but I'd be fine with FHD in 13"
2017-07-30T14:12:34 < zyp> Steffanx, being able to and wanting to are different things
2017-07-30T14:14:48 < sync> lol gtfo upgrdman, 3k for the thing
2017-07-30T14:14:57 < Steffanx> Anyway, why RAM is still so expensive
2017-07-30T14:15:04 < zyp> is it?
2017-07-30T14:15:11 < Steffanx> prices went up 1.5 years ago and never went down
2017-07-30T14:15:15 < upgrdman> next time put a price limit in your requirements ;)
2017-07-30T14:15:37 < Steffanx> expensive compared to 1.5 years ago that is, zyp
2017-07-30T14:16:16 < sync> well, it is not like I would not spend that if it performed well but at over 3k I can just buy two machines, one small and one big
2017-07-30T14:16:28 < hexo_> how much ram?
2017-07-30T14:16:29 < zyp> Steffanx, hmm, looks like you're right
2017-07-30T14:16:30 < hexo_> 128G?
2017-07-30T14:17:00 < zyp> looks like getting 32G RAM now is more expensive than it was both in 2012 and 2013
2017-07-30T14:17:15 < hexo_> might be
2017-07-30T14:17:15 < Steffanx> Yes, i know. Pick some random DDR4 and the price is easily 50% higher
2017-07-30T14:17:40 < zyp> yeah
2017-07-30T14:17:48 < upgrdman> take a look at microns stock price
2017-07-30T14:18:13 < hexo_> yup it's ~40e more expensive
2017-07-30T14:18:21 < hexo_> 32g ram
2017-07-30T14:18:23 < zyp> I paid around 2k NOK for RAM for each of the computers I assembled in 2012 and 2013 (they both have 32G)
2017-07-30T14:18:29 < upgrdman> i make a nice chunk of change off of micron,but sold early to lock in muh gains
2017-07-30T14:18:45 < zyp> cheapest option now seems to be >2.6k
2017-07-30T14:18:55 < Steffanx> btw, i returned my SSD to Crucial zyp. They took it back. Have to wait if they will fix or replace it.
2017-07-30T14:19:09 < Steffanx> or give me a totally new one, because this one is no longer made.
2017-07-30T14:19:22 < sync> probably a new disk
2017-07-30T14:19:29 < sync> everything else is too expensive for them
2017-07-30T14:20:16 < Steffanx> a newer one from a newer series wouldn't be too bad. It sucked arse.
2017-07-30T14:20:19 < upgrdman> ya whos repairs electronics test days?
2017-07-30T14:20:27 < upgrdman> other than crt
2017-07-30T14:20:45 < upgrdman> s/test/these
2017-07-30T14:20:59 < sync> I only buy samsung or intel ssds for that reason Steffanx
2017-07-30T14:21:19 < Steffanx> Yes, i'll never buy crucial again, but i was a cheapskate. -_-
2017-07-30T14:21:40 < zyp> I repaired some shit the other day for the janitor at work
2017-07-30T14:22:03 < Steffanx> but that was because you are a nice guy and did it for cheap i guess zyp?
2017-07-30T14:22:20 < zyp> yeah
2017-07-30T14:22:21 < Steffanx> I can image CRT doesn't do his work for cheap.
2017-07-30T14:23:37 < zyp> looked like some worthless chinashit, he just didn't want to wait a month for shipping a replacement
2017-07-30T14:23:52 < zyp> fixing it for money would never be worth it
2017-07-30T14:24:03 < zyp> he had broken off a connector
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2017-07-30T14:24:35 < zyp> so I just epoxied it back on and soldered some wires to the remains of the traces
2017-07-30T14:24:51 < vampi-the-frog> hi guys. what's the difference between TIM1_CH2 and TIM1_CH2N?
2017-07-30T14:25:00 < zyp> N
2017-07-30T14:25:03 < vampi-the-frog> http://img.vampi.tech/a062f9c7.png
2017-07-30T14:25:18 < vampi-the-frog> is it capturing on falling edge? cause that's what I want
2017-07-30T14:25:25 < vampi-the-frog> or is that a register setting
2017-07-30T14:25:42 < upgrdman> n is inverted
2017-07-30T14:25:48 < zyp> N is not capturing at all, it's OC only as far as I know
2017-07-30T14:25:53 < upgrdman> eg complsmentary pwm
2017-07-30T14:26:12 < zyp> upgrdman, plus dead-time features
2017-07-30T14:26:26 < upgrdman> oh ya that too
2017-07-30T14:26:38 < vampi-the-frog> okay then
2017-07-30T14:26:50 < vampi-the-frog> I'm simply trying to read a GPIO port with DMA when an external signal goes low
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2017-07-30T14:54:13 < vampi-the-frog> I think I got it ^^
2017-07-30T15:00:55 < Laurenceb_> https://www.ncscooper.com/facebook-to-ban-all-flat-earth-groups/
2017-07-30T15:07:33 < vampi-the-frog> he should ban flat chicks instead
2017-07-30T15:17:08 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/3409N2l
2017-07-30T15:18:24 < Laurenceb_> W E W https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328
2017-07-30T15:22:25 < vampi-the-frog> here's my code for anyone interested http://ix.io/yN0
2017-07-30T15:23:06 < vampi-the-frog> it samples GPIOD on a falling edge on PE11
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2017-07-30T15:35:04 < dongs> Laurenceb_: who gives a fuck
2017-07-30T15:37:00 < Laurenceb_> u cuz ur Israeli
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2017-07-30T16:06:52 < vampi-the-frog> hmm I wonder if I can interleave two DMAs
2017-07-30T16:07:10 < vampi-the-frog> ie one writes 16 bits and skips 16, the other skips 16 and writes 16
2017-07-30T16:07:16 < vampi-the-frog> so I have 16 bits from each
2017-07-30T16:20:05 < dongs> good luck syncronizing them
2017-07-30T16:26:35 < vampi-the-frog> they're triggered by the same signal
2017-07-30T16:33:14 < dongs> no cyclecounter on F0 right?
2017-07-30T16:36:53 < vampi-the-frog> I'm on an F4
2017-07-30T16:37:18 < vampi-the-frog> I'm sampling GPIOD but also I want the time of sampling by also sampling TIM2_CNT
2017-07-30T16:37:24 < vampi-the-frog> with DMA
2017-07-30T16:44:09 < englishman> dongs, that o6 link was relevant to your interests https://twitter.com/danluu/status/891508449414197248
2017-07-30T16:44:17 < englishman> google now has to defend their shitty AMPctions
2017-07-30T16:44:22 < englishman> on twatter
2017-07-30T16:45:30 < Steffanx> I see some asian.. it must be dongs himself
2017-07-30T16:46:09 < englishman> dan luu is a pretty high quality blogger https://danluu.com/
2017-07-30T16:46:31 < dongs> dan luu is to high quality blogging as ohsix is to getting things done
2017-07-30T16:46:35 < englishman> hardware and software
2017-07-30T16:47:40 < Steffanx> i still dont know what the exact issue is with amp. I've encountered it a few times but  had no trouble what so ever
2017-07-30T16:48:00 < dongs>  The Apple device has well above 10ms end-to-end latency, but the difference is still quite dramatic – it’s enough that I’ll actually use the new iPad Pro to take notes or draw diagrams, whereas I find Android tablets unbearable as a pen-and-paper replacement.
2017-07-30T16:48:04 < dongs> page closed
2017-07-30T16:48:05 < dongs> apple faggot detected
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2017-07-30T17:39:26 < tpw_rules> Steffanx: google's thing
2017-07-30T17:39:27 < tpw_rules> ?
2017-07-30T17:39:36 < Steffanx> ya
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2017-07-30T17:42:58 < tpw_rules> my problem with it is it makes it impossible to share links
2017-07-30T17:43:07 < tpw_rules> and it loads a shitty weird verison that often doesn't work right
2017-07-30T17:43:20 < tpw_rules> and there's no way to go to the real version
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2017-07-30T17:50:05 < Steffanx> and that's where i dont get it.. as there is a simple link to the original verion or to copy paste it.
2017-07-30T17:52:11 < Steffanx> as in argument 1 and 3 are invalid. The shitty version can be an issue, but i never had that
2017-07-30T17:57:30 < Steffanx> but i get it tpw_rules, haters are gonna hate :P
2017-07-30T17:58:33 < tpw_rules> Steffanx: how?
2017-07-30T17:58:41 < tpw_rules> like unless i'm missing something, i can't do it
2017-07-30T17:59:49 < tpw_rules> oh, there's one now
2017-07-30T17:59:51 < tpw_rules> that must be a new thing
2017-07-30T17:59:57 < Steffanx> oh its actually something that changed somehwere in febr this year
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2017-07-30T18:00:10 < tpw_rules> it changed more recently than that, at least for me
2017-07-30T18:00:27 < tpw_rules> but that reminds me of the other thing is breaks: tap ios statusbar to scroll to top
2017-07-30T18:00:41 < Steffanx> ios, there you go :P
2017-07-30T18:00:46 < Steffanx> (joking)
2017-07-30T18:01:04 < tpw_rules> lol i know someone like that though
2017-07-30T18:01:14 < tpw_rules> anything google breaks web-wise is everyone else not following standards
2017-07-30T18:01:32 < Steffanx> sounds like mr d. and his windows fetish
2017-07-30T18:02:28 < tpw_rules> but okay it's good they fixed that
2017-07-30T18:03:01 < tpw_rules> and the formerly "impossible to share links" was that the only way to link someone was to give them the weird amp version
2017-07-30T18:03:20 < tpw_rules> but by fixing 3 they've fixed 1 so
2017-07-30T18:04:15 < Steffanx> but everyone wants amp right? ;)
2017-07-30T18:04:26 < tpw_rules> especially on desktop
2017-07-30T18:05:01 < Steffanx> :)
2017-07-30T18:05:44 < tpw_rules> (then there's the whole bit about how google has pretty successfully architected themselves as The Web and this is yet another barrier to people google might not like)
2017-07-30T18:05:58 < tpw_rules> although ime the only people who are complaining about that are people who deserve it so
2017-07-30T18:12:05 < Steffanx> LOL
2017-07-30T18:14:21 < englishman> might as well give facebook-style warnings when clicking on search results
2017-07-30T18:14:54 < englishman> Hi! It looks like the link you clicked will lead you outside of Google servers. Are you sure you want to exit our curated safe space?
2017-07-30T18:15:36 < Steffanx> Who does facebook? Isnt that only for cat pics and house wifes?
2017-07-30T18:15:39 < tpw_rules> that warning's already in place
2017-07-30T18:15:41 < Steffanx> oh cat pics.
2017-07-30T18:15:43 < BrainDamage> if facebook is a curated safe space i don't want to knoww what isn't
2017-07-30T18:15:49 < tpw_rules> but nobody sees it cause everything's already hosted by google
2017-07-30T18:16:14 < tpw_rules> remember when the web was decentralized
2017-07-30T18:16:27 < BrainDamage> it's also pretty hypocritical considering they shove their shit to be loaaded in every page
2017-07-30T18:18:23 < Steffanx> This reminds me i still haven't added IRC-ing to my list of skills on linked in
2017-07-30T18:19:13 < tpw_rules> irc is so obsolete these days
2017-07-30T18:19:16 < tpw_rules> irc with ads is in
2017-07-30T18:20:01 < BrainDamage> centralized irc with a web frontend you mean
2017-07-30T18:20:09 < tpw_rules> also with ads
2017-07-30T18:20:19 < BrainDamage> aids*
2017-07-30T18:20:28 < Steffanx> wannabee dongs, BrainDamage?
2017-07-30T18:20:34 < tpw_rules> "you've sent close to 10,000 messages! purchase premium now to see behind our artificial barrier"
2017-07-30T18:20:41 < Steffanx> ^ irccloud
2017-07-30T18:21:23 < tpw_rules> "don't worry, we won't delete anything. we want you to know we're doing this just to annoy you"
2017-07-30T18:22:00 < tpw_rules> *nobody cares to do anything cause they were all just shitposting*
2017-07-30T18:22:10 < englishman> I will vouch for you Steffanx
2017-07-30T18:22:32 < tpw_rules> "oh no! that's more than 5000 messages we've hidden from you, just because we could! we know you'll give us money just to get rid of the popup"
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2017-07-30T18:23:16 < Steffanx> ##stm32 would be blocked because Laurenceb_ spams so much shit in here.
2017-07-30T18:23:50 < tpw_rules> the scrollback is 2
2017-07-30T18:24:50 < tpw_rules> fortunately
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2017-07-30T18:30:20 < Laurenceb_> hello
2017-07-30T18:36:04 < Laurenceb_> This is the kind of comment that is making irc and forums toxic. If you don't have an answer, just leave it be.
2017-07-30T18:36:15 < Laurenceb_> Showing off how "knowledgeable" you are by crapping on others without answering the question only fools newbies.
2017-07-30T18:36:39 < Laurenceb_> Sadly, all you ever do is waste of everyone's time.
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2017-07-30T19:08:13 < Rob235> oi
2017-07-30T19:08:23 < Rob235> shift registers finally came, time to solder
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2017-07-30T19:38:58 < Steffanx> lol who are you quoting laurenceb
2017-07-30T19:38:59 < Steffanx> oh he left
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2017-07-30T20:44:50 < englishman> Steffanx:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Qx6reS9k/IMG_20170730_133904.jpg
2017-07-30T20:44:55 < englishman> found the leak
2017-07-30T20:45:43 < Steffanx> hah, you finally gound the courage to dig into it? :D
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2017-07-30T20:48:35 < Steffanx> Can we do a pool party with chicks, homebrew beer and maple syrup now englishman?
2017-07-30T20:48:38 < Steffanx> I'll bring the waffles
2017-07-30T20:49:09 < Steffanx> Hi Laurenceb_. Who did quote just before you left? Or was it a hostile irc client take over?
2017-07-30T20:51:10 < Steffanx> *who did you
2017-07-30T20:51:15 < Laurenceb_> muh copypasta archive
2017-07-30T20:51:25 < Laurenceb_> 4chan anon probably
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2017-07-30T21:10:17 < englishman> yes Steffanx all are welcome
2017-07-30T21:13:23 < Steffanx> if only canada was some sort of vacation country. I wouldnt have a clue what to do in canadaland
2017-07-30T21:15:21 < englishman> take a spa and trash talk atmega with englishman
2017-07-30T21:15:36 < Steffanx> atmega? wut?
2017-07-30T21:15:48 < englishman> formula E is going on right now one town south of here
2017-07-30T21:16:15 < englishman> you can also chop wood for me
2017-07-30T21:16:28 < englishman> good vacation activity
2017-07-30T21:17:11 < englishman> you can drive a couple hours and go to a place where there are no human inhabitants in an area larger than your country
2017-07-30T21:33:07 < Steffanx> meh
2017-07-30T21:35:17 < BrainDamage> i plan to do kayak'ing, biking and shit talking arduino
2017-07-30T21:35:49 < BrainDamage> if I'm lucky, surfing too
2017-07-30T21:35:52 < englishman> cool, im going kayaking with wifeishman in august
2017-07-30T21:36:11 < englishman> we start at the top of the river, and at the bottom is a day spa with swedish baths and masseuses
2017-07-30T21:36:35 < englishman> and a brewery
2017-07-30T21:37:06 < englishman> where are you travelling for those activities, damage
2017-07-30T21:39:19 < BrainDamage> ontario & maritimes
2017-07-30T21:47:01 < invzim> spi & cube.. are you supposed to toggle CS by yourself, or do you point the cube hal to the pin somehow?
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2017-07-30T22:27:04 < Steffanx> You can do all those things in your home country too BrainDamage. Especially talking arduino.
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2017-07-30T22:30:32 < BrainDamage> I'm visiting some friends
2017-07-30T22:31:27 < BrainDamage> plus, you can see a diff culture and scenario, not something you can do at home
2017-07-30T22:32:29 < Steffanx> englishman's talk gives me enough canuck for a life time.
2017-07-30T22:34:32 < Steffanx> For some reason i always get the idea the cultural differences between dutchland and your home country are larger than those between dutchland an canada.
2017-07-30T22:34:34 < Steffanx> d
2017-07-30T22:34:42 < Steffanx> maybe because we exported so many to canada
2017-07-30T22:35:06 < Steffanx> And we got our canadian influence somewhere around 1945
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2017-07-30T22:53:24 < kakimir> flying hours complete
2017-07-30T22:53:31 < kakimir> papers complete
2017-07-30T22:56:57 < Steffanx> Can you do the "Sky Hook"?
2017-07-30T22:57:22 < BrainDamage> how much did it cost you?
2017-07-30T22:57:56 < Steffanx> Wasnt it just for a glider kakimir?
2017-07-30T23:07:11 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-30T23:07:26 < kakimir> 2600eur
2017-07-30T23:07:30 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-30T23:08:11 < kakimir> plus car diesel + food + room rent
2017-07-30T23:12:15 < kakimir> +3000eur
2017-07-30T23:12:27 < kakimir> total
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2017-07-30T23:16:29 < englishman> oh BrainDamage is coming to Canada yay
2017-07-30T23:16:47 < englishman> cheap kaks
2017-07-30T23:16:52 < englishman> congratulations
2017-07-30T23:17:26 < kakimir> flied my second glider type today
2017-07-30T23:17:28 < kakimir> k-8b
2017-07-30T23:18:44 < kakimir> because it was only one free after I did final inspection fligth
2017-07-30T23:20:14 < Steffanx> motorized is next?
2017-07-30T23:21:37 < BrainDamage> by skyhook do yo mean the fulton recovery stuff?
2017-07-30T23:22:27 < Steffanx> hah yes
2017-07-30T23:23:16 < kakimir> I can does it
2017-07-30T23:23:33 < BrainDamage> wat
2017-07-30T23:23:46 < kakimir> basic training
2017-07-30T23:24:23 < BrainDamage> basic training includes pulling people off the ground strapped to a balloon?
2017-07-30T23:24:50 < kakimir> with a glider
2017-07-30T23:24:53 < kakimir> *
2017-07-30T23:27:33 < BrainDamage> actually i wonder how they landthem
2017-07-30T23:27:50 < BrainDamage> do they pull them onboard, or do they drop them somewhere before landing
2017-07-30T23:28:53 < Steffanx> afaik onboard.
2017-07-30T23:30:16 < BrainDamage> I'd love to try that once, it's such a pity they discountinued it
2017-07-30T23:31:15 < Steffanx> I didnt know about before The Dark Knight .
2017-07-30T23:31:29 < Steffanx> *about it
2017-07-30T23:31:56 < Steffanx> afaik englishman can fly too. Maybe he can help you.
2017-07-30T23:32:19 < Steffanx> laurenceb can do the ballon
2017-07-30T23:32:25 < Steffanx> balloon
2017-07-30T23:32:29 < kakimir> did fly in cloud today btw.
2017-07-30T23:32:34 < kakimir> interestings
2017-07-30T23:32:40 < BrainDamage> did you die
2017-07-30T23:34:11 < kakimir> no
2017-07-30T23:34:15 < Steffanx> Are you even allowed to do that kakimir? You have no navigation/radarish thing do you?
2017-07-30T23:34:27 < kakimir> no
2017-07-30T23:34:30 < kakimir> just go inside
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2017-07-30T23:34:53 < kakimir> do the announcement
2017-07-30T23:34:57 < Steffanx> and then another plane happens to be there.
2017-07-30T23:35:01 < Steffanx> boom crash
2017-07-30T23:35:08 < kakimir> turn gyro on
2017-07-30T23:35:46 < kakimir> you said in radio you are about to chill in this cloud right here
2017-07-30T23:36:11 < kakimir> with ground reference location
2017-07-30T23:36:52 < Steffanx> i once heard that when you fly on sight you are not allowed to go into clouds.
2017-07-30T23:37:12 < Steffanx> like when you go above the clouds you cannot go down, unless there is a gap in the clouds
2017-07-30T23:37:26 < kakimir> hmm
2017-07-30T23:38:29 < Steffanx> sure you can go down, but you shouldn't ;)
2017-07-30T23:38:48 < Steffanx> And no i didnt hear about it on hte internet.
2017-07-30T23:39:30 < invzim> VFR - visual flight regulations
2017-07-30T23:39:45 < kakimir> rules*
2017-07-30T23:39:46 < invzim> assume clouds are full of crap
2017-07-30T23:40:31 < invzim> I training with gliders are conducted in dedicated airspace
2017-07-30T23:40:34 < invzim> I assume :)
2017-07-30T23:41:04  * invzim didn't read the backlog again
2017-07-30T23:41:41 < kakimir> we have reserved airspace
2017-07-30T23:42:03 < invzim> clouds ARE full of crap btw, so you don't really want to mess with them - water/turbulence etc
2017-07-30T23:42:09 < kakimir> but some propeller things pass us by time to time
2017-07-30T23:42:40 < kakimir> sometimes fighter plane flies directly over the strip in 300meters
2017-07-30T23:42:55 < invzim> once in Spain, ages ago, some fighter jets decided to do a low-pass over the dropzone (skydiving) as parachutes were landing
2017-07-30T23:42:57 < kakimir> without any announcements
2017-07-30T23:43:01 < invzim> yeah :0
2017-07-30T23:43:10 < Steffanx> invzim: is into flying too?
2017-07-30T23:43:15 < invzim> I think it was
2017-07-30T23:43:18 < invzim> skydiving
2017-07-30T23:43:23 < invzim> haven't jumped in almost 3 years
2017-07-30T23:43:56 < invzim> it's fun, but a lot of logistics and waiting about on the ground
2017-07-30T23:45:09 < invzim> hm, HardFault_Handler can't be a good point to end up :)
2017-07-30T23:45:45 < BrainDamage> how much does it cost for a course until you can dive by yourself?
2017-07-30T23:46:02 < invzim> depends on country, google "AFF"
2017-07-30T23:46:19 < invzim> less than 2k euro/$ I think
2017-07-30T23:46:54 < invzim> then you need your own equipment, so the entry price is pretty high
2017-07-30T23:47:47 < kakimir> illusion of gravity in cloud is interesting
2017-07-30T23:48:36 < kakimir> senses say you are sitting in level plane
2017-07-30T23:49:50 < kakimir> gyro says plane is in 45degree turn
2017-07-30T23:50:18 < BrainDamage> i had similar experiences when diving past 15 m
2017-07-30T23:50:34 < kakimir> interesting
2017-07-30T23:50:38 < kakimir> even in water
2017-07-30T23:50:38 < BrainDamage> if you're in shadow, the only way to find the up is seeing the bubble trail
2017-07-30T23:51:09 < BrainDamage> it's because you regulate yourself to be neutrally buoyant
2017-07-30T23:51:32 < BrainDamage> so you lose most of your sense of weight
2017-07-30T23:52:30 < invzim> with skydiving it's easier - if your face hurts, you're facing down, if your butt hurts, you're facing up :)
2017-07-30T23:53:19 < Steffanx> Lol
2017-07-30T23:53:23 < invzim> kakimir: what does it take to maintain your license?
2017-07-30T23:53:33 < invzim> xx hours every n months or so?
2017-07-30T23:53:49 < kakimir> I think some flight every two years
2017-07-30T23:53:54 < Steffanx> + x year medical test?
2017-07-30T23:54:00 < kakimir> 5year medical
2017-07-30T23:56:25 < kakimir> invzim: 5 hours of flight time as PIC, including 15 launches
2017-07-30T23:56:32 < kakimir> every 24months
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2017-07-30T23:58:29 < Steffanx> I read you can get your aplp(or something) license with 30 flight hours. After 15 even some solo flight
2017-07-30T23:58:58 < Steffanx> Fuck that. I even had more hours for my car drivers license
2017-07-30T23:59:03 < kakimir> lapl
2017-07-30T23:59:12 < englishman> Steffanx: about the clouds, its true, maybe different in finelane.
2017-07-30T23:59:36 < englishman> Min. Distance from all clouds needed. Going in usually means death within 150 seconds.
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2017-07-31T00:00:54 < kakimir> hmm
2017-07-31T00:01:14 < englishman> Yes steffy. There's no actual lower limit on hours. But you need a certain amount of time to practice all the  maneuvers. Some can do it in 30 but 50 is more common.
2017-07-31T00:02:07 < kakimir> minimum hours is 15 in lapl (s)
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2017-07-31T00:08:13 < kakimir> flights 50
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2017-07-31T00:20:36 < kakimir> https://www.caa.co.uk/General-aviation/Pilot-licences/EASA-requirements/LAPL/LAPL-common-requirements/ select spesific class from left panel
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2017-07-31T00:56:53 < karlp> anyone know what the difference is between this recent announcement of mesh support in existing btle 4.x devices, vs the whole program of mesh  being a banner feature of bt 5?
2017-07-31T00:57:01 < karlp> is just a name game?
2017-07-31T00:57:09 < karlp> or is it different meshes?
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2017-07-31T01:45:10 < jadew> Laurenceb_, 288.982 GHz
2017-07-31T01:56:03 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-07-31T01:56:21 < Laurenceb_> even airspy 2 doesnt go that high
2017-07-31T01:56:38 < jadew> Laurenceb_, that's the answer
2017-07-31T01:56:59 < jadew> it's the frequency the EM drive works at
2017-07-31T01:57:36 < jadew> they got it working in the simulation, in Salvation :D
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2017-07-31T02:01:12 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2017-07-31T02:01:22 < Laurenceb_> >works in simulation
2017-07-31T02:01:30 < Laurenceb_> >breaks laws of physics
2017-07-31T02:01:36 < Laurenceb_> I see a slight issue somewhere
2017-07-31T02:01:47 < Laurenceb_> woah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zielger%C3%A4t_1229
2017-07-31T02:01:59 < Laurenceb_> insane tech for 1944
2017-07-31T02:08:48 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
2017-07-31T02:09:52 < Laurenceb_> Salvation TV show Episode 2 features EmDrive debate
2017-07-31T02:09:59 < Laurenceb_> reddit intensifies
2017-07-31T02:10:21 < Laurenceb_> WHAT THE FUCK
2017-07-31T02:10:23 < Laurenceb_> http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1209/0295-5075/118/34003/pdf
2017-07-31T02:10:28 < Laurenceb_> HOW THE FUCK
2017-07-31T02:10:39 < Laurenceb_> I've been rejected three fucking times by them
2017-07-31T02:10:52 < Laurenceb_> ok never submitting another paper to that crap journal
2017-07-31T02:11:18 < tpw_rules> was it your research on phrenology
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2017-07-31T02:11:39 < Laurenceb_> probably should have been
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2017-07-31T02:12:32 < Laurenceb_> You may also be interested in: Testing quantised inertia on the emdrive M. E. McCulloch
2017-07-31T02:12:36 < Laurenceb_> oh my god
2017-07-31T02:13:00 < Laurenceb_> he makes Alex Jones look sane
2017-07-31T02:13:25 < BrainDamage> more like McCuckolch
2017-07-31T02:13:52 < Laurenceb_> Mc Moluch
2017-07-31T02:14:25 < Laurenceb_> coming soon from IOP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpKdSvwYsrE
2017-07-31T02:15:44 < Laurenceb_>  Hillary's emails, Moloch, Bill, paedophiles plane
2017-07-31T02:15:50 < Laurenceb_> ^me submits to IOP
2017-07-31T02:18:49 < Laurenceb_> Finding Hillary's emails using a Bohemian grove sensor mounted on a emdrive powered overunity pedophile plane
2017-07-31T02:19:25 < Laurenceb_> also, Pizza
2017-07-31T02:26:34 < Laurenceb_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/973736766/cybermatrix-100
2017-07-31T02:41:37 < Laurenceb_> https://kek.gg/i/4hwKys.png
2017-07-31T02:42:01 < tpw_rules> where do ghosts fall in
2017-07-31T02:45:03 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/c383cd30b7/34178.jpeg
2017-07-31T03:02:33 < dongs> sup innovators
2017-07-31T03:04:51 < Laurenceb_> innovation gummed up myspacebar
2017-07-31T03:05:33 < Laurenceb_> further proofLenovo !=IBM
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2017-07-31T07:53:34 < ohsix> it's mallard time
2017-07-31T08:10:26 < ohsix> https://chemikhazi.itch.io/sprytile
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2017-07-31T10:11:37 < crt> Hello Welcome!!
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2017-07-31T10:24:53 < crt> I'm on the brain train
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2017-07-31T11:07:49 < crt> Help
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2017-07-31T11:08:34 < crt> Is there an audio book I can listen to in my sleep by steffan?
2017-07-31T11:11:53 < crt> Crt better shut the fuck up - chapter 1
2017-07-31T11:13:20 < zyp> sounds like a useful book
2017-07-31T11:14:35 < crt> Thanks
2017-07-31T11:14:46 < crt> I wrote it myself
2017-07-31T11:15:07 < crt> I'm in a trap zyp
2017-07-31T11:17:10 < crt> I need a new job
2017-07-31T11:18:31 < crt> 🐈
2017-07-31T11:22:51 < zyp> have you tried looking for one?
2017-07-31T11:23:12 < crt> Maybe
2017-07-31T11:25:52 < crt> I should learn stm32
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2017-07-31T11:47:22 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJsvwmPdqMg
2017-07-31T12:01:58 < Steffanx> Why you need a new job crt?
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2017-07-31T12:02:14 < Steffanx> Im sure you are smart enough to get out of DJ business
2017-07-31T12:02:42 < crt> too boring
2017-07-31T12:03:00 < Steffanx> Reconing is nice uh?
2017-07-31T12:03:24 < crt> i don't mind it
2017-07-31T12:05:19 < Steffanx> Better recone eardrums
2017-07-31T12:06:00 < crt> sif
2017-07-31T12:07:28 < Steffanx> Saf
2017-07-31T12:07:50 < crt> parts
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2017-07-31T12:17:37 < crt> holohoax
2017-07-31T12:19:44 < dongs> dongs
2017-07-31T12:20:28 < crt> hi sir
2017-07-31T12:20:41 < crt> how do i dissolve a soldermask
2017-07-31T12:20:55 < dongs> aids
2017-07-31T12:20:59 < crt> thanks mate
2017-07-31T12:21:07 < crt> i'll go to the shop tomorrow morning and buy a drum of it
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2017-07-31T12:39:44 < crt> senpai
2017-07-31T12:39:45 < crt> tec2
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2017-07-31T12:41:41 < crt> fucking prick
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2017-07-31T12:43:50 < crt> iterative design and autism
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2017-07-31T13:28:28 < Steffanx> Why that guy is so insane?
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2017-07-31T15:04:30 < englishman> you would be too if you had to repair the same identical PCB with the same problem every day.... Example Louis Rossman
2017-07-31T15:25:45 < Steffanx> That guy isnt that insane
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2017-07-31T15:31:10 < crt> n
2017-07-31T15:34:20 < BrainDamage> get a car paint stripper
2017-07-31T15:34:28 < BrainDamage> for the soldermask
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2017-07-31T15:34:42 < BrainDamage> careful it'll strip even component packages
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2017-07-31T15:56:37 < crt> ty BrainDamage
2017-07-31T15:57:11 < sync> ya DCM is the shit BrainDamage
2017-07-31T16:00:51 < dongs> http://www.falstad.com/fourier/ wow
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2017-07-31T16:04:35 < crt> The fourier
2017-07-31T16:05:10 < englishman> BrainDamage, unless your flying between those two places, you pretty much have to roll right past my house
2017-07-31T16:05:24 < crt> And his orthogonal dogs
2017-07-31T16:05:37 < englishman> *you're
2017-07-31T16:05:37 < Steffanx> Are you on drugs crt?
2017-07-31T16:05:44 < crt> Always
2017-07-31T16:05:48 < englishman> good man
2017-07-31T16:05:51 < crt> How about you?
2017-07-31T16:06:01 < Steffanx> Oof, such millenial typo englishman
2017-07-31T16:06:09 < Steffanx> Im never.
2017-07-31T16:06:24 < crt> Stonerx
2017-07-31T16:06:34 < Steffanx> I never did weed
2017-07-31T16:06:47 < crt> He only pumps at night
2017-07-31T16:06:48 < Steffanx> I dont smoke
2017-07-31T16:06:50 < englishman> tourist drug
2017-07-31T16:07:10 < crt> Heroin
2017-07-31T16:10:22 < Steffanx> Why still up crt?
2017-07-31T16:10:57 < Steffanx> http://time.is/australia
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2017-07-31T16:11:18 < Steffanx> But its no weekend. You need to sleep
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2017-07-31T16:11:56 < Steffanx> Mainly yours
2017-07-31T16:12:22 < englishman> when are you here BrainDamage, the eclipse is aug 21
2017-07-31T16:13:24 < englishman> so many
2017-07-31T16:13:57 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/1Dl1I9H.jpg
2017-07-31T16:14:17 < Steffanx> You wont see them. Cats in canada dont go outside
2017-07-31T16:14:29 < englishman> what a quitter
2017-07-31T16:14:44 < Steffanx> englishman what a quitter
2017-07-31T16:15:11 < Steffanx> Stop closing the app/page you crt
2017-07-31T16:16:03 < englishman> love it
2017-07-31T16:16:06 < englishman> every second
2017-07-31T16:16:24 < dongs> patreon.com/eevBEG
2017-07-31T16:16:31 < englishman> the shrill tones remind me of the howling coyotes of the west
2017-07-31T16:18:12 < dongs> why teh fuck i cant find CoreDebug in F0
2017-07-31T16:18:18 < dongs> or DWT_CYCCNT
2017-07-31T16:18:19 < dongs> is that shit on there
2017-07-31T16:18:19 < Steffanx> I hate your accent crt
2017-07-31T16:18:22 < dongs> or am just a faggot
2017-07-31T16:18:33 < Steffanx> Its not there iirc
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2017-07-31T16:18:59 < Steffanx> You = aussie.
2017-07-31T16:19:54 < englishman> none of that is in f0 dongs
2017-07-31T16:20:26 < dongs> what
2017-07-31T16:20:31 < dongs> but refman says thereos CoreDebug
2017-07-31T16:21:00 < Steffanx> But dwt is optional
2017-07-31T16:21:28 < dongs>   \defgroup CMSIS_CoreDebug       Core Debug Registers (CoreDebug)
2017-07-31T16:21:28 < dongs>   \brief    Cortex-M0 Core Debug Registers (DCB registers, SHCSR, and DFSR) are only accessible over DAP and not via processor.
2017-07-31T16:21:31 < dongs>             Therefore they are not covered by the Cortex-M0 header file.
2017-07-31T16:21:31 < dongs> FUk
2017-07-31T16:21:39 < dongs> ok so how the fuck do I do accurate-ish delays on F0
2017-07-31T16:21:42 < dongs> fucking timer??
2017-07-31T16:22:06 < jpa-> systick or timer, yeah
2017-07-31T16:23:40 < englishman> no systick on f0 either hehe
2017-07-31T16:23:52 < dongs> there is sysdick
2017-07-31T16:23:55 < dongs> are ytou nuts
2017-07-31T16:24:03 < englishman> o yea
2017-07-31T16:24:06 < dongs> – SysTick timer: 24-bit downcounter
2017-07-31T16:24:20 < englishman> was thinking of something else
2017-07-31T16:24:27 < dongs> i will just fuck something up wiht TIM2 32bit shit
2017-07-31T16:24:31 < dongs> damn this sucks
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2017-07-31T16:43:44 < jpa-> i'd kind of wish that arm had included a 64 bit counter for cpu cycles.. would be useful as a generic "elapsed time" counter for all purposes and wouldn't even need to worry about wraps
2017-07-31T16:44:14 < jpa-> and by making it non-resettable non-configurable it shouldn't take up much silicon area either
2017-07-31T16:48:16 < vampi-the-frog> wouldn't it skip during DMA?
2017-07-31T16:49:50 < karlp> what?
2017-07-31T16:52:57 < jpa-> no?
2017-07-31T16:53:17 < jpa-> (sure, a single instruction would take longer if DMA blocks the bus, but it would still count clock cycles)
2017-07-31T16:53:26 < jpa-> (just like systick and dwt do)
2017-07-31T16:53:33 < zyp> I wish the core had an upcounting timer with a compare register, i.e. a deadline timer
2017-07-31T16:53:45 < jpa-> ah yeah, i want that also
2017-07-31T16:54:25 < zyp> to me that seems much more useful for a scheduler than the current systick
2017-07-31T16:54:59 < zyp> I don't want tick-based scheduling, I want to have a list of threads ordered by when they are next ready to run, then sleep until the first of them are ready
2017-07-31T16:55:16 < karlp> designed a few too many years ago I guess.
2017-07-31T16:55:34 < jpa-> it's silly how common tick-based scheduling still is
2017-07-31T16:56:11 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/os/thread.h?h=scheduler_improvements#n54 <- i.e. scheduling like this
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2017-07-31T17:04:51 < jpa-> yeah
2017-07-31T17:05:00 < jpa-> i wish all RTOSes worked like that
2017-07-31T17:08:23 < zyp> right now, Time::time() is a tick counter incremented by systick, so all timings are only millisecond granularity
2017-07-31T17:09:48 < zyp> but if I had a better timer, I could have gotten rid of that
2017-07-31T17:10:16 < zyp> I mean, I could have use a standard timer, but those are vendor specific
2017-07-31T17:10:16 < jpa-> aren't even the normal timers good enough?
2017-07-31T17:10:39 < zyp> and I'd like the OS level code to be vendor independent
2017-07-31T17:10:44 < dongs> isnt this about STM32
2017-07-31T17:10:51 < dongs> are you planning to port zypOS to something gayer
2017-07-31T17:10:53 < dongs> like EFM32
2017-07-31T17:11:30 < zyp> well, I wrote that code when I was bored on my flight to korea some years ago, and I didn't bring any hardware so I tested in qemu :p
2017-07-31T17:12:26 < zyp> but yeah, I've dicked around with porting laks to both lpc* and lm4f before
2017-07-31T17:12:33 < zyp> oh, and nrf51
2017-07-31T17:13:13 < zyp> IIRC I had a semi-working usb driver for lm4f for my stack before I got tired of it
2017-07-31T17:13:16 < jpa-> couldn't you get pretty far with systick by dicking around with the reload value register?
2017-07-31T17:14:09 < zyp> as a deadline countdown, that could work, but it'd be useless as an accurate timebase
2017-07-31T17:14:33 < jpa-> hmm yeah.. can't get both
2017-07-31T17:14:49 < zyp> everytime you change it, the timing is nondeterministic enough to add some cycles of uncertainty
2017-07-31T17:23:02 < dongs> hm
2017-07-31T17:23:13 < dongs> im getting spam in usart IRQ but i only have RXNE enabled
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2017-07-31T17:29:13 < dongs> hm if I enabled USART_IT_RXNE only why im ggetting intterruipts for other shit?!!?
2017-07-31T17:33:08 < dongs> yeah what hte hell its getting flooded completely with somethign
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2017-07-31T17:42:50 < dongs> zyp, how the fuck do i find what he fuck is flooding
2017-07-31T17:42:56 < dongs> i tried to clear every gfod damn interupt source
2017-07-31T17:43:03 < dongs> and its still going in at over 90000000/second
2017-07-31T17:49:46 < c10ud^> maybe you're receiving data
2017-07-31T17:49:50 < dongs> i wish i was
2017-07-31T17:49:58 < c10ud^> :)
2017-07-31T17:50:10 < dongs> ok, found table
2017-07-31T17:50:15 < dongs> RXNEIE enables RXNE and ORE
2017-07-31T17:50:19 < dongs> lets clear that specifically again
2017-07-31T17:50:35 < dongs> maybe clearinterruptbit doesnt take a mask (tho it looks like it should)
2017-07-31T17:52:51 < Laurenceb_> lul I think I've had this issue
2017-07-31T17:53:18 < Laurenceb_> took ages to debug, got failures in the field about 1/6months of runtime
2017-07-31T17:56:05 < dongs> This register can only be written when the USART is disabled (UE=0). It may be automatically updated by hardware in auto baud rate detection mode.
2017-07-31T17:56:05 < Laurenceb_> rn-42 bluetooth sometimes sends out bursts of shit
2017-07-31T17:56:09 < dongs> neat
2017-07-31T17:56:20 < Laurenceb_> so I can blame microchip
2017-07-31T17:56:25 < Laurenceb_> sounds epin
2017-07-31T17:58:26 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig7V_rcXE_0 rip best korea
2017-07-31T17:59:58 < Laurenceb_> Imagine My Shock
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2017-07-31T18:16:42 < vampi-the-frog> can I set the counter of a timer to zero from another timer, but not the prescaler counter?
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2017-07-31T18:26:40 < Rob235> HI!!!!
2017-07-31T18:36:40 < vampi-the-frog> uh oh
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2017-07-31T18:44:21 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_: do brits hate pedestrians?
2017-07-31T18:44:49 < dongs> brits love pedos
2017-07-31T18:44:56 < dongs> see: Laurenceb_
2017-07-31T18:45:24 < upgrdman> three times ive had cars pull right in front of me when im half way through a crosswalk
2017-07-31T18:46:46 < upgrdman> and they had just arrived near the crosswalk,  its not like i jumped in front of them
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2017-07-31T19:09:40 < englishman> http://images.anandtech.com/doci/11678/tr3.png
2017-07-31T19:09:44 < englishman> new amd cpu
2017-07-31T19:10:12 < Steffanx> Amd -_-
2017-07-31T19:10:19 < englishman> includes torx driver, which is needed for some reason
2017-07-31T19:10:25 < dongs> lol amd
2017-07-31T19:13:23 < englishman> apparently they are putting 4 dies on each chip and disabling 2 to pass QC
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2017-07-31T19:13:48 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/t5ECy5k.jpg
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2017-07-31T19:16:46 < dongs> 180W haha
2017-07-31T19:19:34 < englishman> anandtech comparison bench running windows 7
2017-07-31T19:19:54 < Steffanx> Not the best os ever made? Windows XP?
2017-07-31T19:20:43 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/g4Ra7AC.jpg
2017-07-31T19:20:45 < englishman> bigger = better, right
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2017-07-31T19:39:47 < sync> haha cool packaging
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2017-07-31T20:12:06 < BrainDamage> englishman: no, I'm flying from yyz to yyg
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2017-07-31T20:16:54 < englishman> damn you're skipping half the country
2017-07-31T20:18:34 < englishman> found irl pic of Steffanx at a pool party in canada http://i.imgur.com/VFG3Nan.png
2017-07-31T20:21:52 < Steffanx> Too much yankee in there.
2017-07-31T20:23:03 < Steffanx> Google knows the image as "Redneck pool party" nuff said.
2017-07-31T20:26:28 < BrainDamage> englishman: that's why i am flying, i have places to be, including a marriage
2017-07-31T20:27:05 < englishman> yeah that trip is at least 2, 2.5 days drive
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2017-07-31T21:08:35 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLzwTEMZWgE
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2017-07-31T22:01:56 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_: http://imgur.com/a/6gGuJ
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2017-07-31T22:21:25 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBlRdtXLHFQ musicsvideo times
2017-07-31T22:23:54 < kakimir> 90's energy
2017-07-31T22:25:18 < kakimir> can native english person translate "it's a crack" meaning in case of this song?
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2017-07-31T22:32:06 < Fleck> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsemi << look where microsh*t stole logo, and half name :D
2017-07-31T22:33:34 < gxti> beats me kakimir
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2017-07-31T22:41:46 < Steffanx> There is better 90s music kakimir.
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2017-07-31T22:45:21 < kakimir> Steffanx: please. exhibit
2017-07-31T22:46:28 < kakimir> gxti: yu are not native english riht?
2017-07-31T22:46:44 < gxti> i'm murican, so it's either a british thing or nonsense
2017-07-31T22:46:55 < gxti> probably nonsense
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2017-07-31T22:55:21 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyhrYis509A kakimir
2017-07-31T22:55:44 < Fleck> ;p
2017-07-31T22:55:49 < kakimir> no Steffanx
2017-07-31T22:56:48 < Steffanx> but those stayed in your head for daaays
2017-07-31T22:57:23 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-31T22:57:32 < kakimir> do you mean weeks?
2017-07-31T22:58:16 < Steffanx> yes
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2017-07-31T23:00:29 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNAr5tzZxdk then kakimir?
2017-07-31T23:03:22 < englishman> yo kakimir
2017-07-31T23:03:25 < englishman> https://gfycat.com/CarefulBlandKakarikis
2017-07-31T23:03:29 < englishman> can you fly like this yet
2017-07-31T23:04:43 < Steffanx> Dont you have to do some mental state test before you can get your license? That is suicidal...
2017-07-31T23:06:07 < BrainDamage> that's friggin amazing
2017-07-31T23:07:18 < kakimir> Steffanx: no
2017-07-31T23:07:52 < kakimir> doctor will evaluate you in no time
2017-07-31T23:08:34 < kakimir> your flight instructor may have his doubts and then will not let you pass
2017-07-31T23:08:49 < englishman> <doctor> are you suicidal
2017-07-31T23:08:58 < englishman> <kakimir> lies no
2017-07-31T23:09:00 < englishman> done
2017-07-31T23:09:01 < kakimir> as you spend hours and hours with him/her
2017-07-31T23:09:10 < englishman> damage: very much so
2017-07-31T23:12:54 < Steffanx> When will you record us such video englishman?
2017-07-31T23:13:02 < Steffanx> After pool party?
2017-07-31T23:14:23 < englishman> during
2017-07-31T23:14:31 < kakimir> englishman: glider would pass Vne if I wanted to keep safe altitude for traffic circuit after that
2017-07-31T23:14:55 < kakimir> I think
2017-07-31T23:15:29 < kakimir> I'm not that good in math I could calculate how potential energy would transform into kinetic
2017-07-31T23:15:46 < BrainDamage> it's easy, potential is mgh
2017-07-31T23:15:54 < Steffanx> Added an ejection seat.
2017-07-31T23:16:03 < BrainDamage> mass*10*height diference
2017-07-31T23:16:26 < BrainDamage> mass in kg, heiht in m
2017-07-31T23:16:28 < BrainDamage> result in j
2017-07-31T23:16:32 < kakimir> sure
2017-07-31T23:16:39 < kakimir> but the exchange betweeen them
2017-07-31T23:16:57 < kakimir> how many meters and 100kmh -> 270kmh
2017-07-31T23:17:07 < BrainDamage> you don't know the exact change since you won't know the work of friction and drag
2017-07-31T23:17:14 < englishman> stunt pilots and glider pilots know this but from experience
2017-07-31T23:17:23 < kakimir> yes
2017-07-31T23:17:31 < BrainDamage> you can /assume/ all pe becomes kinetic, but reality will be rather different
2017-07-31T23:17:32 < englishman> since rate of energy loss increases with speed and decreases with altitude
2017-07-31T23:18:13 < BrainDamage> https://www.dropbox.com/s/byok3l84vvk2ghm/outputwat3.mkv?dl=0
2017-07-31T23:18:21 < kakimir> glider manual provides polar graphs all way to 150kmh or so
2017-07-31T23:18:28 < kakimir> or 170kmh
2017-07-31T23:18:31 < BrainDamage> you might want to download for bette quality
2017-07-31T23:19:34 < BrainDamage> around 2:30 it's 50km/h, around 3:30 it's 85
2017-07-31T23:21:35 < kakimir> approaching aerodrome perimeter at 250kmh on surface is not the safest idea but I need to ask our aerobatic pilots how to do it
2017-07-31T23:22:25 < Steffanx> At least that friendly man waved to you.
2017-07-31T23:22:58 < BrainDamage> i always greet whorever i am crossing
2017-07-31T23:23:07 < BrainDamage> for how much brief
2017-07-31T23:23:36 < kakimir> I have never went above 200kmh.. not sure if you can even push the stick enought to make it go 270 in line
2017-07-31T23:24:30 < Steffanx> As this country is so flat im more into speed biking.
2017-07-31T23:24:41 < englishman> and underwater biking
2017-07-31T23:24:48 < Steffanx> And with the latest news about the mountain bike parcour close to me i wont go mountain biking
2017-07-31T23:25:09 < kakimir> stick is almost in full front at 200 and pushing back like with 100newton force maybe
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2017-07-31T23:25:46 < kakimir> I think releasing the stick makes the plane to do some sort of loop
2017-07-31T23:26:43 < Steffanx> Someone placed barbed wire over the parcour a few times recently.
2017-07-31T23:27:04 < Steffanx> I never tried underwater biking englishman. Where can i do that?
2017-07-31T23:27:05 < sync> you can go 250 in an ask13
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2017-07-31T23:27:08 < sync> it just takes a while
2017-07-31T23:27:19 < sync> and everything shakes like mad
2017-07-31T23:27:47 < kakimir> Steffanx: in swimming pool
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2017-07-31T23:28:13 < englishman> Steffanx: in your country, basically everywhere
2017-07-31T23:28:15 < kakimir> sync: full forward stick?
2017-07-31T23:28:24 < sync> yes
2017-07-31T23:28:32 < kakimir> Vne: 250?
2017-07-31T23:28:38 < Steffanx> Your view of this country is soo wrong englishman.
2017-07-31T23:28:52 < Steffanx> *on or whatever
2017-07-31T23:29:05 < kakimir> there was spinning bikes in one swimming pool
2017-07-31T23:29:16 < kakimir> I got mad because the bikes were SHIT
2017-07-31T23:29:40 < kakimir> no adjustments
2017-07-31T23:30:21 < kakimir> no belt to avoid floating
2017-07-31T23:31:03 < kakimir> and when I tried not to float I made the spinning bike bounce and move around in the water
2017-07-31T23:33:27 < Steffanx> awh :P
2017-07-31T23:39:40 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xheubh4LeFY I flew this plane model too sync
2017-07-31T23:39:44 < kakimir> it had brakes
2017-07-31T23:40:27 < sync> yeah
2017-07-31T23:40:32 < sync> ours has brakes as well
2017-07-31T23:40:34 < kakimir> also open cockpit
2017-07-31T23:40:48 < kakimir> *selectable windshield
2017-07-31T23:41:15 < kakimir> did open cockpit flight and held my hat with other hand and stick with other
2017-07-31T23:42:48 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aVvyaTI0tk this looks fun
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2017-07-31T23:45:44 < BrainDamage> i always seems so goofy seing a tiny human in such a comparatively large fuselage
2017-07-31T23:46:11 < BrainDamage> how are the avionics powered? do you have like a large battery?
2017-07-31T23:46:25 < englishman> pedal power
2017-07-31T23:47:12 < BrainDamage> airplanes have an optional drag turbine they can pull down for emergency charging if the main engines go kaput
2017-07-31T23:47:21 < englishman> yes and they are cool as fuck
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2017-07-31T23:47:38 < englishman> i dono about gliders, guessing a battery like realplanes. kakimir ?
2017-07-31T23:47:43 < kakimir> lead acid
2017-07-31T23:47:55 < kakimir> lipo if you are mad
2017-07-31T23:49:05 < BrainDamage> you should use non depleted U as mass balancer
2017-07-31T23:49:24 < BrainDamage> so if you ever crash you'll get half of the country's emergency services on
2017-07-31T23:49:29 < BrainDamage> even just for protocols
2017-07-31T23:49:30 < kakimir> trim weights?
2017-07-31T23:50:03 < BrainDamage> yeah, didn't know the english name
2017-07-31T23:50:16 < kakimir> 747 control surfaces used to have depleted U weights in them
2017-07-31T23:50:38 < kakimir> properly painted and stuff but you know how the working man does things
2017-07-31T23:50:54 < kakimir> give it hammer, give it grinder
2017-07-31T23:51:36 < BrainDamage> that'd be spectacular, U is pyrophoric
2017-07-31T23:51:43 < BrainDamage> it catches fire as you try to shed it
2017-07-31T23:52:34 < kakimir> interesting
2017-07-31T23:53:10 < kakimir> I think they might have tried to repaint them and stuff.. I don't remember details but it's assumed some people got ill
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