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2020-11-01T00:00:42 < Cracki> got some 32 GB sd cards... a samdung and two sandick (all assumed authentic because amazon delivery). the samdung violates its class 10 spec a hundred times but does ~35 MB/s write on average. the first sandick has a few violations already but otherwise good...
2020-11-01T00:01:17 < Cracki> I'd have expected sandisk "ultra" to mean something still. the samsung says "evo select" so that's bottom of the barrel
2020-11-01T00:03:47 < zyp> hmm, this mikrotik thing is autodetecting both passive and standard PoE devices and picking the appropriate voltage, wonder how that works
2020-11-01T00:04:27 < Cracki> "PoE standards define TLV structures used by PSEs and PDs to signal and negotiate available power."
2020-11-01T00:04:33 < Cracki> automagic as always :>
2020-11-01T00:04:40 < zyp> yeah, I know how af/at works
2020-11-01T00:05:09 < zyp> but port 23 is connected to the original UAP which only does 24V passive
2020-11-01T00:05:10 < Cracki> are you saying passive devices can have different voltages too?
2020-11-01T00:05:34 < zyp> yeah? 48V passive is a thing
2020-11-01T00:05:54 < zyp> not that I have anything using that
2020-11-01T00:06:19 < Cracki> I'd speculate that it's giving only 24v to passives
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2020-11-01T00:08:18 < zyp> probably, unless I manually tell it to do 48
2020-11-01T00:08:42 < Cracki> is it possible to detect that a device wants PoE, if it's a passive one? otherwise that'd mean there's no way to tell non-poe devices from passive poe devices
2020-11-01T00:11:10 < zyp> well, look at all the ports reporting a short
2020-11-01T00:11:36 < zyp> non-PoE devices usually hook all the external side center taps together and then to a single capacitor
2020-11-01T00:11:53 < effractur> most Unify stuff also does real POE
2020-11-01T00:12:07 < Cracki> ic
2020-11-01T00:12:18 < zyp> effractur, yeah, port 24 is a UAP-AC-LITE, port 23 is a UAP
2020-11-01T00:12:35 < zyp> port 22 is a wall mount android tablet
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2020-11-01T00:21:59 < Laurenceb> https://i.redd.it/x93s279sh3w51.jpg
2020-11-01T00:25:05 < Cracki> >Nutella Puerto Rico (@NutellaPR) shared a photo
2020-11-01T00:25:22 < Cracki> account suspended. probably NOT official.
2020-11-01T00:25:36 < Cracki> (on twadder at least)
2020-11-01T00:28:30 < kakicode> it's nice to see you Blaxter
2020-11-01T00:35:56 < Steffanx> Dont lie, kakicode 
2020-11-01T00:36:12 < kakicode> no - really
2020-11-01T00:40:37 < Steffanx> Better not, or ill tell mrs kak
2020-11-01T00:53:56 < mawk> why are you all mean to him
2020-11-01T00:53:58 < mawk> I like Laurenceb 
2020-11-01T00:55:24 < apathy> it's nothing personal. they've been programmed by google algorithms to much dislike certain individuals.
2020-11-01T00:55:42 < apathy> society is transforming into an obedient hive-mind slave race controlled by AI.
2020-11-01T00:55:46 < qyx> Conformal coating of the module will void the warranty.
2020-11-01T00:55:47 < qyx> heh
2020-11-01T00:59:42 < Cracki> wonder why. if any common type of coating had been an issue, they should mention that.
2020-11-01T01:01:32 < zyp> what module are we talking about?
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2020-11-01T01:06:52 < qyx> yes, they are mentioning
2020-11-01T01:07:00 < qyx> neo-m8q
2020-11-01T01:08:23 < zyp> huh, I don't see any obvious reasons why conformal coating would be a bad idea
2020-11-01T01:10:31 < qyx> they say it is altering the RF performance if it leaks inside
2020-11-01T01:11:36 < zyp> because it's full of microstrip?
2020-11-01T01:11:43 < qyx> TIL xtals can be damaged in ultrasonic cleaners
2020-11-01T01:11:53 < zyp> that's common knowledge
2020-11-01T01:13:46 < mawk> you learnt it one day too, zyp 
2020-11-01T01:14:12 < zyp> true
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2020-11-01T01:33:45 < Cracki> so... use extra viscous stickystuff? apply thin lines with a syringe to seal it up before drenching everything? "don't do that!" is shit tech advice in a datashit
2020-11-01T01:34:20 < Cracki> I heard about xtals in ultrasonic too but I some consumer electronics apparently handle it well... macbook mainboards for example
2020-11-01T01:34:40 < Cracki> or the rossmann dunks them only short enough, or on low enough power, that it's not a problem
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2020-11-01T16:14:51 < mawk> last two digits of 123^789^456 ?
2020-11-01T16:14:53 < mawk> forbidden to use a computer
2020-11-01T16:22:58 < Cracki> (a ⋅ b) mod m = [(a mod m) ⋅ (b mod m)] mod m
2020-11-01T16:24:00 < Cracki> 89**56 is worse enough to calculate. I'll leave it at that.
2020-11-01T16:26:17 < jadew> https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20201031-slovakia-to-test-entire-population-for-coronavirus-in-global-first
2020-11-01T16:26:29 < jadew> "Participation in the testing is not mandatory but anyone who is not able to produce a negative test certificate if stopped by police could get a heavy fine."
2020-11-01T16:27:55 < Steffanx> -_-
2020-11-01T16:28:58 < mawk> yes Cracki 
2020-11-01T16:29:01 < mawk> 123^789^456 = (123 mod 100)^(789^(456 mod 16) mod 40) mod 100
2020-11-01T16:29:03 < mawk> you just throw mods everywhere
2020-11-01T16:29:06 < mawk> then it's easy to compute
2020-11-01T16:29:23 < mawk> ends up as 23^(29^8)
2020-11-01T16:29:35 < mawk> with the mods in the right place
2020-11-01T16:35:08 < Cracki> mod 16 and 40 why
2020-11-01T16:35:36 < Cracki> LOL >not mandatory but sanctions if you don't
2020-11-01T16:35:42 < Cracki> what fucking retards write those news
2020-11-01T16:36:25 < Steffanx> Frogs.
2020-11-01T16:37:09 < mawk> when you compute a^b mod c, then you can always reduce b mod φ(c) where φ(c) designates the number of coprimes with c: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_theorem
2020-11-01T16:37:19 < mawk> so φ(100) = 40, φ(40) = 16
2020-11-01T16:37:53 < Cracki> _number_ of coprimes, ugh
2020-11-01T16:38:05 < mawk> yeah
2020-11-01T16:38:12 < Cracki> I'm outta here
2020-11-01T16:38:14 < mawk> lol
2020-11-01T16:39:23 < qyx> Cracki: you are free to stay home, ie. it is forbidden to leave except for food, groxery store, drug store
2020-11-01T16:39:37 < Cracki> lol the slovakians seem to want to find all infected like this. they won't. afaik in the early stages of infection you may test negative
2020-11-01T16:40:02 < Cracki> one "complete" test won't do
2020-11-01T16:40:03 < qyx> if you are negative you may do anything
2020-11-01T16:40:13 < qyx> no, the next week is another round
2020-11-01T16:40:28 < Cracki> so... whole population every week, is that the goal?
2020-11-01T16:40:42 < mawk> Anton Dubovsky, a 67-year-old petrol station operator, said he and his son would not go.
2020-11-01T16:40:45 < mawk> "I am not convinced this testing is a good idea at all," he said.
2020-11-01T16:40:47 < mawk> lol
2020-11-01T16:40:48 < mawk> very useful interview right there
2020-11-01T16:40:55 < Cracki> that's why they print it
2020-11-01T16:40:57 < mawk> and the news article ends like that
2020-11-01T16:41:13 < Cracki> people need to realize that most journos are hacks
2020-11-01T16:41:19 < Cracki> and partisan hacks at that
2020-11-01T16:41:28 < qyx> people are dumb, because why not test if it is free and safe enough
2020-11-01T16:41:38 < Cracki> they tell you nothing useful. at best they tell you nothing, at worst they tell you lies
2020-11-01T16:41:39 < mawk> in the article they say why it's not safe
2020-11-01T16:41:39 < qyx> not all will be catched, but thats not the goal
2020-11-01T16:41:48 < Cracki> "free", someone's paying for it
2020-11-01T16:41:52 < Cracki> but anyway
2020-11-01T16:42:15 < qyx> of course there are pros and cons
2020-11-01T16:42:18 < Cracki> I'd welcome antibody testing so people can prove that they have immunity
2020-11-01T16:42:31 < qyx> if you go to store you have higher probability to get infected
2020-11-01T16:42:54 < Cracki> anything else has little point. we are arguing over the wrong thing.
2020-11-01T16:43:10 < Cracki> when the average age of fatalities is pretty much equal to life expectancy...
2020-11-01T16:43:25 < qyx> true
2020-11-01T16:43:45 < Cracki> when did the world (governments) lose its shit like that EVER before?
2020-11-01T16:43:48 < qyx> I am curious what will be the result
2020-11-01T16:44:11 < Cracki> the result will be populations vs their rulers
2020-11-01T16:44:35 < qyx> because having the tests obtained for 3.90e is not that much
2020-11-01T16:44:41 < qyx> with army doing the logistics
2020-11-01T16:44:41 < Cracki> either rulers strung up on street lanterns, or rulers genociding their subjects
2020-11-01T16:44:49 < qyx> necause they do nothing either way
2020-11-01T16:45:10 < Cracki> they are getting bold. they are drunk on power.
2020-11-01T16:45:38 < qyx> I mean, I am not against the idea, I was tested yesterday
2020-11-01T16:46:10 < Cracki> the smart ones, such as china, have left themselves an exit strategy: stop reporting numbers, go back to "it's about as bad as the influenza we have every year"
2020-11-01T16:46:27 < Cracki> I think sweden does that too
2020-11-01T16:46:37 < Cracki> they're at noise levels of deaths for months
2020-11-01T16:46:54 < Cracki> germany otoh, they LOVE to punish the people
2020-11-01T16:47:01 < Cracki> eat sleep work repeat
2020-11-01T16:47:11 < Cracki> they are monsters
2020-11-01T16:47:37 < Cracki> they know damn well where all the infections come from, "party scene" is an euphemism
2020-11-01T16:48:20 < Cracki> instead of cracking down on that, they fuck with everyone "equally"
2020-11-01T16:48:31 < Cracki> the emperor's new clothes
2020-11-01T16:51:07 < Steffanx> Ok cracki.
2020-11-01T16:54:57 < mawk> don't touch my party scene :(
2020-11-01T17:00:52 < Cracki> look up "frankfurt party szene"
2020-11-01T17:01:22 < Cracki> basically riots, but for no fucking reason other than "this is our turf, police gtfo"
2020-11-01T17:01:32 < Cracki> eh
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2020-11-01T17:31:48 < mawk> in the SDK of a chinese camera manufacturer with government contracts: https://paste.serveur.io/NC3Tad7m.c
2020-11-01T17:32:00 < mawk> but I remember in the old version of the sdk it was more than that, they removed it
2020-11-01T17:32:12 < mawk> we had to sign a NDA to get the other version of the sdk, iirc; but this one is public
2020-11-01T17:32:36 < mawk> I copied this from their face recognition code, it's really advanced stuff lol
2020-11-01T17:33:09 < mawk> they built a race detector
2020-11-01T17:33:23 < mawk> it's not an attribute inside some database, it's litteraly in the feature extraction code
2020-11-01T17:45:27 < Steffanx> But is it that easy? To identify the "type" of chinese?
2020-11-01T17:45:44 < Steffanx> Interesting how it just list uygur
2020-11-01T17:45:49 < Steffanx> Lists
2020-11-01T17:46:21 < mawk> an older version of the code listed way more
2020-11-01T17:46:26 < mawk> the one we had under NDA
2020-11-01T17:46:29 < mawk> I have it on another hard drive
2020-11-01T17:46:36 < mawk> but yeah in the updated version it's just uighour or not
2020-11-01T17:46:48 < mawk> it makes it even more explicit
2020-11-01T17:46:57 < mawk> well I think it's maybe like an islamic hat detection or islamic veil detection Steffanx 
2020-11-01T17:47:01 < mawk> couldn't be that hard
2020-11-01T17:47:05 < mawk> because otherwise well they look all chinese to me
2020-11-01T17:47:09 < mawk> it's just about reigion
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2020-11-01T17:53:03 < PaulFertser> https://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/nationality/uigur/ do not look like "typical chinese"
2020-11-01T17:54:22 < mawk> you're further east than us so your asian detection capabilities are more evolved
2020-11-01T17:55:21 < mawk> and yeah that "uighour" attribute is litteraly between "has a beard" and "is smiling", it's unequivocally race detection code
2020-11-01T17:55:37 < mawk> that header file is 100k lines long, they thought nobody would find it
2020-11-01T18:06:13 < Cracki> they thought nobody would care
2020-11-01T18:06:53 < Cracki> funny that they consider a "yellow" race to exist. "yellow" used to be the perception of europeans for chinese. they don't see themselves as yellow
2020-11-01T18:08:52 < Cracki> they do look somewhat turkish/arab
2020-11-01T18:10:34 < Cracki> >Han Chinese male, Han Chinese Female, Uyghur female, and Uyghur male. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Xi_Mei/publication/250921895/figure/fig6/AS:214255270928390@1428093845605/Front-and-profile-views-of-the-average-faces-From-left-to-right-Han-Chinese-male-Han.png
2020-11-01T18:10:57 < mawk> same thing
2020-11-01T18:11:03 < Cracki> racist!
2020-11-01T18:11:09 < mawk> lol
2020-11-01T18:12:00 < Cracki> oh, around here the turks are chasing the armenians because one armenian genocide wasn't enough
2020-11-01T18:12:11 < mawk> nice chinglish in the code "no disringuish"
2020-11-01T18:12:23 < PaulFertser> I guess I wouldn't tell them apart
2020-11-01T18:12:26 < Cracki> could be a typo
2020-11-01T18:12:34 < mawk> in my LTE stick it's the same, when I hacked into it and looked at the code it was all shitty bash script commented in a mix of chinese and broken english
2020-11-01T18:12:37 < mawk> made by ZTE
2020-11-01T18:12:47 < Cracki> I see some differences. it'd take seeing those faces every day to start seeing it clearly.
2020-11-01T18:12:57 < Cracki> zong term evolution
2020-11-01T18:13:06 < mawk> lol
2020-11-01T18:13:36 < mawk> they took some parts of android, some parts of yocto, mixed together, added bash scripts in top
2020-11-01T18:13:38 < mawk> something like this
2020-11-01T18:13:45 < mawk> but in the end it works
2020-11-01T18:23:07 < kakicode> chinese code is fun to read
2020-11-01T18:23:45 < kakicode> symbols are in chinese but written in latin
2020-11-01T18:25:22 < kakicode> translator is clueless
2020-11-01T18:27:00 < kakicode> comments are chinese written with hanzi
2020-11-01T18:27:59 < kakicode> then you translate something is translator give something like "powerful flow"
2020-11-01T18:29:09 < kakicode> a lot of vagueness is added to by the translation
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2020-11-01T18:38:09 < jadew> kakimath, that's how they comment code, because programming is almost like a spiritual experience to them
2020-11-01T18:38:32 < kakimath> maybe translation was accurate
2020-11-01T18:38:44 < jadew> they don't have algorithms, the code they write comes from the soul
2020-11-01T18:38:48 < kakimath> I just didn't get it.. too zen comments
2020-11-01T18:38:51 < jadew>  /trolling
2020-11-01T18:38:59 < jadew> but it would explain why their code is shit
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2020-11-01T20:32:07 < mawk> what are you mathing kakimath ?
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2020-11-01T21:53:53 < Steffanx> Did you watch Spy Game yet, mr kakimath?
2020-11-01T21:54:01 < Steffanx> if not, better get started
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2020-11-01T22:34:02 < aandrew> time to pull the trigger on the new laptop, the old one is finally done
2020-11-01T22:34:28 < aandrew> 8 years is a pretty good run for something I've used every single day for like 6-16h/day
2020-11-01T22:35:31 < Steffanx> Yeah, Apple is great uh? :P
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2020-11-01T22:36:57 < giantmidget> Test
2020-11-01T22:37:05 < Steffanx> Test: Failed.
2020-11-01T22:37:13 < giantmidget> :(
2020-11-01T22:37:14 < Cracki> how's the weather in az
2020-11-01T22:37:29 < giantmidget> Cracki you asking me?
2020-11-01T22:37:37 < Cracki> r u azn
2020-11-01T22:37:50 < giantmidget> Cracki ye but howdya know? :P
2020-11-01T22:38:09 < Steffanx> "giantmidget (~GiantMidg@206.207.157.17) has joined ##stm32" 
2020-11-01T22:38:12 < Cracki> I'm a huge racist and my racist hexchat script tells me where ppl are from so I can confirm my prejudices
2020-11-01T22:38:28 < giantmidget> Cracki Likewise mate
2020-11-01T22:38:48 < giantmidget> And the weather in AZ is nice, thank you for asking :)
2020-11-01T22:38:59 < Steffanx> And how is mr giantmidget?
2020-11-01T22:39:04 < Steffanx> You're welcome for asking.
2020-11-01T22:39:20 < giantmidget> Mr. Giantmidget has seen better days
2020-11-01T22:39:36 < giantmidget> Mr. Giantmidget is ripping his hair out due to a bootloader issue
2020-11-01T22:40:31 < giantmidget> Basically the USART1 bootloader on my STM32F030R8T6 is not working - I'm sending the 0x7F byte and not getting anything back
2020-11-01T22:40:42 < aandrew> Steffanx: I've never had a laptop last more than 2y that wasn't apple, and that includes thinkpads
2020-11-01T22:41:01 < aandrew> so yeah, that $2000 laptop ammortized over 8y was a very good deal
2020-11-01T22:41:07 < Steffanx> maybe true, aandrew
2020-11-01T22:41:18 < Steffanx> Mine survived for a long time, longer than my asus indeed.
2020-11-01T22:41:23 < giantmidget> BOOT0 is high, nBOOT1 is high, pullups on the USART lines are there, UART configuration is correct. I have no idea what else would be wrong
2020-11-01T22:41:34 < Steffanx> And the macbook pro had seem more in his life.
2020-11-01T22:41:54 < Cracki> are you sure the uart config is right
2020-11-01T22:42:01 < giantmidget> Yes - 8E1
2020-11-01T22:42:12 < Cracki> baudrate is good too?
2020-11-01T22:42:35 < giantmidget> and I'm using the STM32 Flasher utility so there's not much room for error 
2020-11-01T22:42:39 < Cracki> I'm not that familiar with the bootloader's uart. does it need a specific baudrate or does it do some detection given some sync byte?
2020-11-01T22:42:42 < Cracki> ic
2020-11-01T22:42:52 < giantmidget> Cracki detection - from 1200 to 115200 is kewl
2020-11-01T22:42:54 < Cracki> that should remove much error surface
2020-11-01T22:43:04 < Cracki> does the chip draw power at all
2020-11-01T22:43:08 < giantmidget> Using 9600, tried 57600 as well, same shit
2020-11-01T22:43:25 < Steffanx> the only one really dicking with the bootloader i know of here is mr dongs
2020-11-01T22:43:27 < Cracki> I'm guessing it's not a disco/nucleo but custom pcb?
2020-11-01T22:43:31 < giantmidget> Cracki the chip is def. working if that's what you're asking
2020-11-01T22:43:40 < Steffanx> also with custom code on the "host" side.
2020-11-01T22:43:43 < giantmidget> Cracki cu$tom
2020-11-01T22:43:53 < Steffanx> and i dont know nothing about it
2020-11-01T22:44:29 < giantmidget> I seriously doubt this is a HW issue - basically just a breakout board
2020-11-01T22:46:38 < giantmidget> I've eliminated most causes of error here - am using the pins to enter the bootloader, using ST's flash utility - this is basically the least complex configuration for accessing the bootloader
2020-11-01T22:47:33 < giantmidget> Loaded a program which'll light a LED - when I tie the boot pin high and reset the LAD does not light - indicating that something other than my program is running - this should be the bootloader
2020-11-01T22:47:33 < Cracki> what sw issues could even remain? misconfigured st flash utility?
2020-11-01T22:48:24 < giantmidget> Cracki The only thing I can think of would be something with option bytes - I've been sniffing the UART and it's sending the right stuff
2020-11-01T22:48:26 < karlp> have you used this before?
2020-11-01T22:48:27 < Cracki> are you talking to the right pin, right uart?
2020-11-01T22:48:47 < karlp> "loaded a program" ? with... swd?
2020-11-01T22:48:49 < giantmidget> karlp The USART bootloader no
2020-11-01T22:48:55 < giantmidget> karlp yes
2020-11-01T22:49:22 < giantmidget> Cracki yes, I've checked this many times
2020-11-01T22:49:23 < karlp> and which uart1 pins?
2020-11-01T22:49:40 < giantmidget> PA10/PA9
2020-11-01T22:49:52 < karlp> have you tried swapping them? :)
2020-11-01T22:50:42 < giantmidget> Indeed I have
2020-11-01T22:50:53 < karlp> I've never used in the f0, "just works" on my parts, 
2020-11-01T22:51:06 < karlp> only tthing i'd check is whether you fucked with option bytes
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2020-11-01T22:57:07 < Steffanx> Might it even be disabled by default? I mean bootloading by the boot pins.
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2020-11-01T22:59:27 < giantmidget> karlp https://github.com/keshakot/random_crap/issues/1
2020-11-01T22:59:56 < giantmidget> ^ option bytes
2020-11-01T23:00:05 < giantmidget> Everything seems right to me, no?
2020-11-01T23:01:34 < Steffanx> oh it was G0 that had this. "Weird" default. Not F0
2020-11-01T23:03:11 < mawk> which baudrate and stuff are you sending it at giantmidget ?
2020-11-01T23:03:17 < mawk> and all other settings
2020-11-01T23:03:35 < Steffanx> And didnt swap rx/tx? :P
2020-11-01T23:03:36 < mawk> ah you're using their tool
2020-11-01T23:03:43 < giantmidget> mawk yes
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2020-11-01T23:03:48 < mawk> it's like usb you have to swap 3 times to have it right
2020-11-01T23:03:49 < giantmidget> 9600 baud, 8E1
2020-11-01T23:03:51 < mawk> so swap again
2020-11-01T23:04:12 < giantmidget> I've swapped it like 10 times and verified everything REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2020-11-01T23:04:16 < mawk> lol
2020-11-01T23:04:25 < mawk> you didn't forget to connect ground?
2020-11-01T23:04:37 < giantmidget> nope
2020-11-01T23:04:38 < qyx> do you have H on them in idle?
2020-11-01T23:04:53 < giantmidget> If you mean pullups to VCC then yes
2020-11-01T23:04:53 < Steffanx> You do power cycle / reset each time? 
2020-11-01T23:04:57 < giantmidget> Yes
2020-11-01T23:05:09 < Steffanx> Are you even sure it runs?
2020-11-01T23:05:13 < giantmidget> Yes
2020-11-01T23:05:17 < qyx> did you try sjorting them and checking ecgo?
2020-11-01T23:05:19 < mawk> wait what pullups
2020-11-01T23:05:20 < qyx> echo
2020-11-01T23:05:31 < mawk> since when do we need pullups on tx/rx stuff?
2020-11-01T23:05:40 < giantmidget> mawk per AN2606
2020-11-01T23:05:52 < Steffanx> Did you verify if you uart even works in your own fw giantmidget?
2020-11-01T23:05:53 < giantmidget> qyx What?
2020-11-01T23:06:00 < giantmidget> Steffanx yes
2020-11-01T23:06:08 < Steffanx> ok then im out.
2020-11-01T23:06:24 < giantmidget> I've used this board for a while - everything has been working 
2020-11-01T23:06:25 < qyx> me too of it worka
2020-11-01T23:06:37 < giantmidget> Me too
2020-11-01T23:06:42 < giantmidget> Time for a /hard reset/
2020-11-01T23:06:53 < Steffanx> 110V?
2020-11-01T23:07:04 < qyx> Steffanx: do you remember there was someone not getting anything back from the bootloader?
2020-11-01T23:07:15 < qyx> idk who was it
2020-11-01T23:07:18 < Steffanx> My colleague with G0 :P
2020-11-01T23:07:19 < giantmidget> + coffee + hammer, then shredder
2020-11-01T23:07:48 < qyx> no, someone ranting for a week and then it started working
2020-11-01T23:08:00 < Steffanx> but it turns out G0 has the well known boot0 pin disabled by default.
2020-11-01T23:08:09 < Steffanx> i wonder why ST did that
2020-11-01T23:08:34 < giantmidget> Steffanx gotta keep us on our toes
2020-11-01T23:10:39 < Steffanx> Some guy Steve____ seems to mention it qyx
2020-11-01T23:11:04 < Steffanx> *steverrrrrrrr (dont know how many r's)
2020-11-01T23:12:29 < qyx> unrelated, may I pass DC power through a RF switch?
2020-11-01T23:17:01 < qyx> yeah, for 40e+ mems switches
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2020-11-01T23:26:40 < mawk> nice expensive switch
2020-11-01T23:29:16 < Steffanx> Should use https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Microchip-Technology/090-02984-007?qs=%2Fha2pyFaduhkxWlEfcBeUd7uGJrS8kgdwqbVIDEvhmpi5r%252Bwkb2c18MjZ4eP9ElF in your next product
2020-11-01T23:32:06 < qyx> it would solve my time sync requirements
2020-11-01T23:32:19 < englishman> except for the 24 week leadtime.
2020-11-01T23:33:32 < Steffanx> 090-03240-001 is only 12 weeks
2020-11-01T23:33:39 < englishman> tfw your atomic clock arrives and it's already off by 3 femtoseconds
2020-11-01T23:35:57 < qyx> you can discipline it with a 1pps
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2020-11-02T00:00:50 < qyx> ##covid32, not many people today, some photos https://bratislava.sme.sk/g/171827/plosne-testovanie-slovenska-nedela?gref=strm_art-22521592&photo=pp6630328
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2020-11-02T00:10:25 < Steffanx> lol what mawk
2020-11-02T00:10:32 < Steffanx> i googled on of the lines of the code you posted
2020-11-02T00:10:54 < Steffanx> public int nAttractive;	// 魅力值, -1表示无效, 0未识别，识别时范围1-100,得分高魅力高
2020-11-02T00:11:05 < Steffanx> which really seems to does that the variable implies: Charm value, -1 means invalid, 0 is not recognized, the range is 1-100 during recognition, the score is high and the charm is high
2020-11-02T00:11:23 < Steffanx> shows up in some java lib
2020-11-02T00:13:26 < mawk> yes Steffanx I saw that too
2020-11-02T00:13:41 < mawk> there's an attractiveness value in the face recognition stuff besides race and so on
2020-11-02T00:14:30 < Steffanx> its in some chinese git repo, even has photos of some people. probably the people working on it.
2020-11-02T00:18:28 < Steffanx> Anyway, based on that code. It's getting scary the shit that can (or try to) classify.
2020-11-02T00:19:33 < qyx> are you not attractive?
2020-11-02T00:20:07 < Steffanx> i'd be -1 or maybe 0
2020-11-02T00:20:46 < Steffanx> Anyway, isn't "attractive" kinda subjective?
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2020-11-02T00:37:37 < Cracki> if your charm value is low, you get thrown in the incinerator
2020-11-02T00:37:45 < Cracki> not entirely
2020-11-02T00:37:54 < Cracki> the more symmetric the face, the more attractive it is
2020-11-02T00:38:20 < Cracki> sure you could still be a hideous mutant from the sewers, but even then symmetric > asymmetric
2020-11-02T00:38:41 < Cracki> they probably trained a network on human scored training data
2020-11-02T00:38:53 < Cracki> so I'd expect all features of the face to factor into such a score
2020-11-02T00:39:31 < Cracki> they'd take the output neuron that was trained to predict human-provided scores, maybe scale it right, and that's it
2020-11-02T00:44:16 < BrainDamage> so even computers will tell you that you're ugly now
2020-11-02T00:53:20 < Cracki> the politically correct term is "asymmetric"
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2020-11-02T00:57:30 < Cracki> wtf windows _does_ load my account before I've even logged in
2020-11-02T00:57:48 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2020-11-02T00:58:13 < Steffanx> i dont need a computer for that BrainDamage :P
2020-11-02T00:58:22 < Steffanx> So i wont ask
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2020-11-02T01:05:59 < qyx> wut lemo by amphenol? https://www.mouser.sk/ProductDetail/Amphenol-LTW/FLBB-07EGFS-GCP-001?qs=qSfuJ%252Bfl%2Fd6%2F3SsZggvpwA%3D%3D
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2020-11-02T01:26:43 < jadew> check out this crowd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVG1uR9wr-A
2020-11-02T01:26:57 < jadew> trump about to go live
2020-11-02T01:27:23 < jadew> few masks
2020-11-02T01:27:46 < Steffanx> Yeah, was about to say that
2020-11-02T01:27:59 < qyx> such liberty
2020-11-02T01:28:00 < Steffanx> But its all fake anyway
2020-11-02T01:28:08 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah, I think the same too
2020-11-02T01:28:09 < Steffanx> And if not... brain damage they already have
2020-11-02T01:28:18 < Steffanx> So cant get much worse
2020-11-02T01:29:09 < jadew> I wonder why they have all those trucks surrounding them
2020-11-02T01:29:31 < jadew> I'm gonna guess there are armed guards on the other side of the trucks and they keep the perimeter
2020-11-02T01:30:45 < Steffanx> All those phones. Yay
2020-11-02T01:30:58 < jadew> yeah... stupid people
2020-11-02T01:31:25 < Steffanx> Incoming \o/
2020-11-02T01:31:33 < jadew> haha
2020-11-02T01:32:06 < Steffanx> Lol by 🚁 
2020-11-02T01:32:34 < jadew> I'm looking forward to the end of the election
2020-11-02T01:33:25 < jadew> this year has been super dry in terms of entertainment, but at least I know that will be good
2020-11-02T01:33:51 < jadew> is he gonna step out of the heli on michael jackson song?
2020-11-02T01:34:10 < jadew> ah, they're turning the music off
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2020-11-02T01:34:32 < Steffanx> At least the music was ok
2020-11-02T01:34:40 < jadew> haha, yeah
2020-11-02T01:35:07 < jadew> I'm not clear on the weather there tho, some have sweaters/jackets on, while others are only wearing t-shirts
2020-11-02T01:35:10 < Steffanx> Wheres the sniper?
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2020-11-02T01:35:41 < jadew> ah, so that's why they have those trucks there
2020-11-02T01:36:36 < jadew> do you think he just picked a hat from the pile or is that custom made for him?
2020-11-02T01:37:15 < jadew> I wonder what font they used for the made in china sticker :P
2020-11-02T01:38:18 < jadew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001392749039.html
2020-11-02T01:38:33 < jadew> ah, that's with keep
2020-11-02T01:38:35 < jadew> :/
2020-11-02T01:39:11 < jadew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33006326907.html
2020-11-02T01:39:33 < jadew> yeah, it's fake
2020-11-02T01:39:50 < jadew> "filmed in front of a live audience"
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2020-11-02T01:48:38 < aandrew> damn now I want to watch Cheers again
2020-11-02T01:49:34 < jadew> what's that?
2020-11-02T01:50:41 < jadew> 11 seasons
2020-11-02T01:50:43 < jadew> is it good?
2020-11-02T01:53:40 < jadew> ah, I'm gonna watch that picard movie
2020-11-02T01:55:23 < Steffanx> Youre old. aandrew 
2020-11-02T01:56:32 < aandrew> yeah it's decent. it didn't age particuarly well but it's a comfortable watch
2020-11-02T01:56:38 < aandrew> and yes I am old, 45 this year
2020-11-02T01:57:44 < Steffanx> :p
2020-11-02T01:58:13 < jadew> that's the new 20s
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2020-11-02T02:13:27 < t4nk_freenode> picard movie?
2020-11-02T02:14:14 < t4nk_freenode> think he shouldn't have been allowed on screen for that star trek picard thing
2020-11-02T02:14:50 < t4nk_freenode> maybe he's right for one last Santa Claus appearance, but that's really it
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2020-11-02T02:26:38 < jadew> t4nk_freenode, why?
2020-11-02T02:26:45 < jadew> you don't like old people?
2020-11-02T02:30:56 < t4nk_freenode> yes I do, I liked him in the 80's ;)
2020-11-02T02:34:20 < mawk> https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2020/10/workplace-interruptions-lead-to-physical-stress.html
2020-11-02T02:34:58 < machinehum> Is it illegal to sell a still in Canada...?
2020-11-02T02:36:16 < t4nk_freenode> as long as it doesn't involve minors.
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2020-11-02T02:49:40 < machinehum> oo
2020-11-02T02:49:42 < machinehum> coo
2020-11-02T02:50:55 < Cracki> distilled baby blood
2020-11-02T03:07:33 < jadew> can't wait for the AI that looks into your head and writes the code you think about
2020-11-02T03:08:06 < jadew> when we get there, humanity will advance so fast...
2020-11-02T03:08:30 < jadew> it doesn't even has to be an AI that comes up with the code itself - although, that's perfectly possible
2020-11-02T03:08:48 < jadew> if it would just write down the code that you think about, it would be enough
2020-11-02T03:10:16 < jadew> I'm working on something now and as I'm getting deeper into it my estimate for the project's length is increasing at a crazy rate
2020-11-02T03:11:00 < Cracki> https://zbigatron.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/summer_vision_project_small.jpg
2020-11-02T03:12:03 < Cracki> (1966 http://people.csail.mit.edu/brooks/idocs/AIM-100.pdf)
2020-11-02T03:12:45 < Cracki> *that summer* turned into DECADES of global research
2020-11-02T03:13:16 < Cracki> over half a century even, requiring computational resourced that were science fiction back then
2020-11-02T03:13:49 < jadew> so we can safely assume that they failed
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2020-11-02T03:15:06 < Cracki> very much
2020-11-02T03:15:20 < Cracki> random slide containing a timeline https://image.slideserve.com/1124766/ridiculously-brief-history-of-computer-vision-l.jpg
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2020-11-02T03:16:48 < Cracki> estimates love to explode if it's a novel task
2020-11-02T03:16:54 < jadew> 2030 only entities with intelligence are the robots
2020-11-02T03:17:05 < jadew> *entities left
2020-11-02T03:17:09 < Cracki> 2040 robots redefine intelligence to exclude meatbags
2020-11-02T03:17:46 < Cracki> otoh if machine intelligence truly surpasses us, it's *not* a matter of decades before it leaves us in the dust
2020-11-02T03:17:54 < jadew> it's not just the novelty of it, but as I understand it better, I find new ways of improving the original idea
2020-11-02T03:18:20 < jadew> but what was meant to be a 2 weeks thing, is easily a 3 months thing now
2020-11-02T03:19:02 < jadew> and I'm only a couple of days in
2020-11-02T03:20:27 < Cracki> time to formulate milestones, maybe get something prototypeish done within half of "2 weeks" and feel good about the accomplishment
2020-11-02T03:20:51 < Cracki> (I should work on coping strategies for depression...)
2020-11-02T03:21:00 < jadew> yeah, that's the plan, but I'm not done getting familiar with it
2020-11-02T03:21:42 < jadew> depression is largely a result of perspective
2020-11-02T03:22:32 < Cracki> LOL our "CDC" equivalent went from "obey so that we can _stop_ the spread of the virus" down to _slow down_
2020-11-02T03:25:02 < jadew> it's difficult to switch from "things I should have, I don't have" to "well, if things are bad now, it means they can be made better"
2020-11-02T03:26:01 < Cracki> I'm on a different level of depression
2020-11-02T03:26:16 < Cracki> "negative self-talk" is for people who have "self-talk"
2020-11-02T03:26:44 < Cracki> even if I was optimistic, I am actually damaged in that there's no drive in me
2020-11-02T03:27:05 < jadew> again, perspective
2020-11-02T03:27:34 < Cracki> perspective won't change the actual damage.
2020-11-02T03:27:59 < jadew> there's probably no drive, because you feel that your efforts aren't taking you out as fast as you'd like, which can be demoralizing
2020-11-02T03:28:02 < Cracki> you can't make a wheelchair bound person walk again by telling them to stand up
2020-11-02T03:28:13 < Cracki> and this is somewhat like that
2020-11-02T03:28:42 < Cracki> I have no expectations that could be disappointed. I have no plans for the future.
2020-11-02T03:29:20 < Cracki> the only thing that demoralizes me is seeing how everything turns to shit and I am helpless
2020-11-02T03:29:33 < Cracki> the things that would rebuild my confidence are illegal
2020-11-02T03:29:43 < jadew> uhm... is there nothing you desire?
2020-11-02T03:30:45 < Cracki> depression means there isn't
2020-11-02T03:31:39 < Cracki> or rather there can't be, the capacity for these feelings has been destroyed
2020-11-02T03:32:00 < Cracki> rather, the intensity can't be there
2020-11-02T03:32:19 < Cracki> sure there are things I'd like, and for some I'd maybe even kill, but that's illegal
2020-11-02T03:33:28 < Cracki> childhood was different... I think. if I knew what all caused this, and what didn't, I'd know more than I do
2020-11-02T03:33:53 < Cracki> I could blame various things but then someone is bound to show up and be a fucking redditor about it
2020-11-02T03:34:08 < Cracki> and we're back to doing illegal things to people who deserve them
2020-11-02T03:34:27 < Cracki> and now I have to spend another hour distracting myself so I _can_ sleep
2020-11-02T03:34:45 < jadew> do you have a social life?
2020-11-02T03:34:49 < Cracki> fucking VPN doesn't work anymore, gee thanks fuckers
2020-11-02T03:35:35 < jadew> I know it's a pandemic going on, but I don't know what's normal for other people
2020-11-02T03:36:00 < Cracki> what do you call a social life? germany is full of retards who would string me up if they knew anything about me that's more than smalltalk
2020-11-02T03:36:11 < jadew> I think if you fixed your sleeping schedule and had more social activities things would be better
2020-11-02T03:36:36 < Cracki> fuck social activities, they're all insane monsters who obey like good fucking sheep
2020-11-02T03:37:10 < Cracki> every single one of them eventually drops their mask and shows me that they're NPCs
2020-11-02T03:37:17 < Cracki> i'm surrounded by NPCs irl
2020-11-02T03:37:57 < Cracki> and I want this fucking vpn to not be broken, why did they have to fuxk that up
2020-11-02T03:38:02 < machinehum> You sound like Elliot Alderson
2020-11-02T03:38:10 < machinehum> No offense
2020-11-02T03:38:25 < jadew> sounds like the name of a shooter
2020-11-02T03:38:26 < Cracki> like I know who that is
2020-11-02T03:38:40 < Cracki> see what you made me do?
2020-11-02T03:38:49 < Cracki> now he's gonna report me to the jackboots for wrongthink
2020-11-02T03:38:56 < jadew> heh
2020-11-02T03:38:59 < Cracki> not joking
2020-11-02T03:39:28 < jadew> Cracki, try fixing your sleep schedule at the least, it does wonders
2020-11-02T03:39:33 < Cracki> that's what happened to me in high school. I couldn't handle class, that teacher, and my best fucking friend, ratted me out for a slightly edgy comment
2020-11-02T03:39:45 < machinehum> Sorry you're going through shit
2020-11-02T03:39:47 < Cracki> I have ZERO trust in any meatbags
2020-11-02T03:39:55 < Cracki> negative trust in fact
2020-11-02T03:39:58 < machinehum> Also Mr. Robot is a great show
2020-11-02T03:40:04 < Cracki> all of you are just waiting for your moment to fuck me over
2020-11-02T03:40:07 < Cracki> shit show
2020-11-02T03:40:08 < Cracki> tyvm
2020-11-02T03:40:18 < jadew> lol
2020-11-02T03:40:43 < Cracki> apart from the portrayal of some mental illness and some good effort to portray technical matters accurately
2020-11-02T03:40:51 < Cracki> holds no interest for me
2020-11-02T03:41:06 < Cracki> "going through" is an understatement
2020-11-02T03:41:12 < Cracki> it's been a decade approximately
2020-11-02T03:41:25 < Cracki> and the world is even more shit than it was 10 years ago
2020-11-02T03:41:30 < Cracki> so it's not gonna end any time soon
2020-11-02T03:41:45 < jadew> is there something about the world that makes you unhappy?
2020-11-02T03:41:53 < Cracki> I'm gonna be awake for the next 10 hours
2020-11-02T03:41:58 < Cracki> and I don't like it
2020-11-02T03:42:14 < jadew> or is just "fate" that just doesn't seem to go your way?
2020-11-02T03:42:44 < Cracki> yes, the fucking normie NPCs, the fucking governments trying to destroy everyone's livelihoods (economy) and societies (words that are forbidden), ...
2020-11-02T03:42:45 < jadew> Cracki, again, fix your sleep schedule if you want to start somewhere
2020-11-02T03:43:52 < Cracki> srsly talking about this shit makes it worse
2020-11-02T03:44:02 < Cracki> it never helps. I should learn to not talk about it.
2020-11-02T03:44:24 < jadew> well, you brought it up, so somewhere in there you think you need help
2020-11-02T03:44:37 < Cracki> calling for help and getting it are two different things
2020-11-02T03:44:47 < Cracki> and no, NOBODY has the kind of help I need
2020-11-02T03:45:18 < Cracki> not that I could afford it anyway
2020-11-02T03:46:12 < jadew> can you think of a way of life in which you wouldn't be depressed?
2020-11-02T03:46:35 < Cracki> for tax returns I could pay (if I had money) a CPA. for other red tape and bureaucracy, there's nobody. there's nobody who feels responsible for telling me what kind of shit I'm legally entitled to, while everyone else seems to have that just handed to them from the agencies themselves.
2020-11-02T03:47:12 < Cracki> I'll gtfo now. thinking about this shit makes me lose sleep.
2020-11-02T03:47:32 < Cracki> if ther was a chance that I could have been productive tomorrow it's toast now
2020-11-02T03:49:25 < Cracki> I need a "certificate of employment" (not just a certificate, a block of text containing praise hopefully) from my ex-boss for my job applications
2020-11-02T03:49:44 < Cracki> and I can't really ask for that unless I finish a thing or two that I haven't touched in months
2020-11-02T03:50:32 < jadew> is this the same guy you've worked for, for a long while?
2020-11-02T03:50:34 < Cracki> and I'm too depressed to deal with getting back into the codebase and handle his "issue tickets"
2020-11-02T03:50:36 < Cracki> yes
2020-11-02T03:50:40 < jadew> just ask him
2020-11-02T03:50:53 < Cracki> sure I could do that
2020-11-02T03:51:01 < Cracki> if I wasn't me
2020-11-02T03:51:20 < Cracki> can you imagine me?
2020-11-02T03:51:24 < jadew> I can
2020-11-02T03:51:47 < Cracki> german language is shit, it doesn't distinguish between anxiety and fear
2020-11-02T03:52:00 < jadew> just do it
2020-11-02T03:52:01 < Cracki> it's not a fear, it's anxiety over anticipated negative reactions
2020-11-02T03:52:12 < jadew> doing things that make you uncomfortable makes you grow
2020-11-02T03:52:31 < Cracki> it's like "doing it" has a chance of *manifesting* the anticipated negative result
2020-11-02T03:52:39 < Cracki> so "not doing it" is preferable
2020-11-02T03:52:43 < jadew> it also creates anchors in your memories, which makes you feel like life isn't passing by you
2020-11-02T03:52:46 < Cracki> and that's the essence of anxiety
2020-11-02T03:53:14 < Cracki> dude I've long ago made peace with my life being trash
2020-11-02T03:54:12 < Cracki> there is no fixing this life. I don't hope so the best *others* can hope for is giving me a figurative "paint job"
2020-11-02T03:54:30 < jadew> you do realize that you're smarter than most people on earth, right?
2020-11-02T03:54:42 < Cracki> if I had full control over my life, I'd just chuck me in the bin
2020-11-02T03:54:53 < Cracki> orly?
2020-11-02T03:54:55 < jadew> if you're not better off than most of them too, then that is by choice
2020-11-02T03:55:10 < Cracki> most people on earth aren't people, even most people in this fucking country aren't people to me. they're sheep.
2020-11-02T03:55:24 < jadew> Cracki, so what?
2020-11-02T03:55:29 < Cracki> most people *around* me seem to be smarter than me, or better adjusted to this insanity they call a life
2020-11-02T03:55:37 < Cracki> besides, I don't measure myself by intelligence
2020-11-02T03:56:06 < Cracki> but by how much in control of my life I am vs. how I'm reasonably expected to be, and it's all unfixable
2020-11-02T03:56:24 < Cracki> don't say "that is by choice"
2020-11-02T03:56:28 < Cracki> I don't choose this.
2020-11-02T03:56:34 < Cracki> I can't fix it.
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2020-11-02T03:57:18 < jadew> sure you can, if the world around you is shit, and that is what it's taking you down, move
2020-11-02T03:57:27 < Cracki> I can't move
2020-11-02T03:57:32 < Cracki> did I mention I'm almost broke?
2020-11-02T03:57:42 < Cracki> how the fuck can I do anything if I'm broke
2020-11-02T03:57:57 < Cracki> every meaningful change requires money
2020-11-02T03:59:28 < jadew> so go to job interviews, you can even call companies you'd like to work for, regardless if they have job openings or not
2020-11-02T03:59:42 < jadew> instead of waiting to be fished out, you can do the fishing
2020-11-02T04:00:08 < jadew> but again, you have to get out of your comfort zone
2020-11-02T04:00:29 < Cracki> "go to" is impossible. the rona, remember?
2020-11-02T04:00:46 < Cracki> and I mentioned job applications, which all demand such a certificate of employment (praise letter)
2020-11-02T04:01:01 < jadew> so screw those
2020-11-02T04:01:11 < jadew> until you get that, talk to the next guy
2020-11-02T04:01:19 < machinehum> wtf is a praise letter
2020-11-02T04:01:20 < jadew> someone has a business and is in need of talent
2020-11-02T04:01:29 < jadew> and it's not just one guy
2020-11-02T04:01:30 < machinehum> Also Mr. Robot isn't shit
2020-11-02T04:01:30 < Cracki> and that letter, if it's gonna be _any_ good, requires my ex-boss to have reason so say anything good, and not finishing that shit is _NOT_ good
2020-11-02T04:01:55 < Cracki> I'm not waiting to be "fished out", I'm in no pond at all
2020-11-02T04:02:06 < machinehum> Just write your own praise letter, say it's from some random dude that you did a contract job for
2020-11-02T04:02:14 < Cracki> lol if depressionw as about "comfort zone", it wouldn't be depression
2020-11-02T04:02:15 < jadew> or that, yeah
2020-11-02T04:02:41 < jadew> Cracki, well, you do seem to be reluctant to do things that are outside of the comfort zone
2020-11-02T04:03:01 < Cracki> if it was just outside of my "comfort zone", it wouldn't be a big deal
2020-11-02T04:03:09 < Cracki> that's entirely NOT the issue
2020-11-02T04:03:11 < jadew> I read a saying once online, that struck a nerve with me back then: "blend in, let someone else win"
2020-11-02T04:03:21 < Cracki> the issue is anxiety about things that literally threaten me
2020-11-02T04:03:34 < Cracki> if I don't get a job soon my life is over
2020-11-02T04:03:34 < jadew> so start small
2020-11-02T04:03:47 < Cracki> I don't think you understand the mental maze I'm in
2020-11-02T04:04:49 < machinehum> I had a my first panic attack three weeks ago, they gave me ativan, it's helped
2020-11-02T04:04:50 < jadew> I understand your predicament very well, there was a time in my life when I would eat only once every 2 days or so
2020-11-02T04:05:51 < machinehum> Also I quit drinking, smoking weed, other drugs, coffee, cigs, also helped
2020-11-02T04:06:11 < jadew> I think in his case, he just has to secure a job
2020-11-02T04:06:47 < jadew> that will probably remove much of the anxiety he's feeling right now
2020-11-02T04:07:17 < machinehum> idk shit's more complicated than that, and is different from person to person
2020-11-02T04:07:45 < jadew> machinehum, for sure, but that seems to be the biggest issue atm.
2020-11-02T04:08:36 < jadew> Cracki, apply for 20 jobs tomorrow.
2020-11-02T04:08:41 < jadew> see what happens
2020-11-02T04:09:21 < jadew> and regarding that letter, you should just ask for it and see what answer you get
2020-11-02T04:10:01 < jadew> if you don't get a favorable answer, then tell the employers that you can't get it because you haven't parted on good terms with your previous employer - this crap happens
2020-11-02T04:10:04 < Cracki> I'd rather shoot myself really
2020-11-02T04:10:42 < Cracki> I hate to say it because that tends to send people into rubber walled rooms and strips them of EVERY little bit of control
2020-11-02T04:12:12 < Cracki> what's the landlord gonna do when I can't pay? kick me out. but he won't bother to figure out what kinda handouts I'm entitled to... meanwhile some good-for-nothings get 1800 bucks per month for each of the seven people in their family, none of which have any skills
2020-11-02T04:13:59 < Cracki> I know some handouts I'd be entitled to... some stuff for rent, but that requires I apply for educational help, but THAT requires that my mother, who I haven't had real contact with in a decade (thank god!) bare her financial situation because it seems that no matter how old I am, they will never let me just be myself and require her to be involved by law
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2020-11-02T04:14:03 < Cracki> it'd retarded
2020-11-02T04:14:05 < Cracki> s
2020-11-02T04:14:58 < jadew> have you tried freelancing?
2020-11-02T04:15:29 < Cracki> I will not make websites for any money that's offered on freecancer websites
2020-11-02T04:15:43 < jadew> you could make programs tho
2020-11-02T04:15:49 < Cracki> a couple of people have approached me for contracting some computer vision stuff
2020-11-02T04:15:56 < Cracki> one of them proposed 40 bucks an hour
2020-11-02T04:16:02 < jadew> and?
2020-11-02T04:16:02 < Cracki> which is his web developer rate
2020-11-02T04:16:10 < Cracki> also they had no clue what they were asking
2020-11-02T04:16:21 < aandrew> Cracki: thankfully very few people actually use freecancer and those who do don't use it for long
2020-11-02T04:16:25 < aandrew> Cracki: check out remote.io
2020-11-02T04:16:39 < Cracki> another tried to engage me for his hobby project, and he revealed that he's a graduate student or something himself, so not the richest motherfucker on earth
2020-11-02T04:17:09 < Cracki> so that means he'd probably have a hundred bucks or so, which is peanuts for what he was asking, which was more like weeks/months of actual research and development
2020-11-02T04:17:22 < Cracki> I'm basically just hugely disappointed by people's insults
2020-11-02T04:19:00 < Cracki> I'll check remote.io out but no hopes for any stuff I'm actually good at
2020-11-02T04:21:11 < aandrew> Cracki: sorry, remoteok.io
2020-11-02T04:21:41 < aandrew> remoteok.io is all web stuff 
2020-11-02T04:21:50 < aandrew> I watch it but nothing in the last month or so for me
2020-11-02T04:22:12 < aandrew> there's also a slack thing: remoteok.slack.com
2020-11-02T04:22:31 < aandrew> it's (very) low volume but one channel has a bot that mirrors all offers as they come in
2020-11-02T04:23:03 < aandrew> lots and lots of full stack jobs, some ruby, go, account execs, angular, software engineers, etc.
2020-11-02T04:23:49 < Cracki> yeah thanks but that's rather far outside of my area of expertise
2020-11-02T04:25:22 < jadew> I'm off to bed, night
2020-11-02T04:25:29 < Cracki> good night
2020-11-02T04:26:09 < Cracki> I'm gonna dick around with this dumb vpn for a bit and then finish it off with a dose of twitter, which is full of severed heads and raped this and burning that
2020-11-02T04:27:08 < aandrew> your twitter feed is significantly different from mine, which is mostly electronic stuff 
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2020-11-02T04:33:13 < Cracki> I guess I should return to reading books instead, but fiction rather than technical stuff
2020-11-02T04:33:41 < Cracki> the only book I have "on the nightstand" rn is something on forth, which requires typing-along to be effective
2020-11-02T05:06:29 < Cracki> ok newest qbittorrent doesn't appear to suck and it fixes the issues...
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2020-11-02T10:57:56 < mawk> package has been shipped Steffanx 
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2020-11-02T10:57:58 < mawk> see what you're doing to me
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2020-11-02T11:11:13 < Steffanx> It wasnt me.
2020-11-02T11:15:34 < mawk> yes it's you
2020-11-02T11:25:44 < Steffanx> Who's that guy again who forgot to renew his very important can't live without prescription?
2020-11-02T11:28:49 < effractur> Steffanx: you?
2020-11-02T11:39:59 < mawk> yes you Steffanx 
2020-11-02T11:40:01 < mawk> listen to the mister
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2020-11-02T11:42:05 < mawk> lol
2020-11-02T11:42:11 <@Steffanx> A virtual kick in the butt is what you need
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2020-11-02T11:42:25 < mawk> to kick me forever you need to type /mode ##stm32 +o-o Steffanx mawk
2020-11-02T11:42:31 < mawk> or the reverse
2020-11-02T11:42:37 < Steffanx> haha
2020-11-02T11:42:38 < mawk> /mode ##stm32 +o-o mawk Steffanx 
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2020-11-02T11:42:41 <@mawk> like this
2020-11-02T11:42:43 <@mawk> good
2020-11-02T11:42:50 <@mawk> arobase is my preferred symbol
2020-11-02T11:43:15 < Steffanx> lol what who gave you that power?
2020-11-02T11:43:29 <@mawk> the dark forces of ##stm32 
2020-11-02T11:45:35 <@mawk> /topic STM32 | All members are required to pledge allegiance to their eternal master
2020-11-02T11:45:38 <@mawk> oops
2020-11-02T11:48:57 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o-o Steffanx mawk] by mawk
2020-11-02T11:49:17 < Streaker> coward!
2020-11-02T11:49:21 < mawk> lol
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2020-11-02T11:49:35 < mawk> too late
2020-11-02T11:49:44 < mawk> you're not quick enough Steffanx 
2020-11-02T11:49:51 < mawk> or you're not well versed enough in the arts of irc
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2020-11-02T11:50:34 <@Steffanx> See so quick
2020-11-02T11:50:54 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx
2020-11-02T11:51:08 < Steffanx> I was just to uninterested to do it
2020-11-02T11:51:13 < Steffanx> *too
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2020-11-02T15:38:31 < Steffanx> hm
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2020-11-02T16:27:46 < Thorn> has anyone used Anritsu MS8604A, is it worth it?
2020-11-02T16:31:01 < karlp> EOL in 2003?
2020-11-02T16:36:52 < Thorn> used one of course
2020-11-02T16:40:58 < zyp> worth what?
2020-11-02T16:41:45 < karlp> not worth anything to me ;)
2020-11-02T16:57:27 < jpa-> Thorn: what would you like to use it for?
2020-11-02T16:58:04 < Thorn> spectrum analyzer (sub-ghz and 2.4ghz) and i/q analyzer (option 03)
2020-11-02T16:58:40 < Thorn> ISM digital radio stuff
2020-11-02T17:00:54 < jpa-> our hacklab has some R&S gsm communication analyzer thingy, it's pretty limited and doesn't even have a general use spectrum analyzer mode, but that anritsu model does seem to have one
2020-11-02T17:01:04 < jpa-> i've never used that device though
2020-11-02T17:01:43 < Thorn> it looks like a spectrum analyzer + extra specialized options
2020-11-02T17:07:42 < Thorn> sadly no TG or QPD
2020-11-02T17:12:46 < karlp> fucking hell
2020-11-02T17:13:10 < karlp> set my clock back a  few months, need to get some things built with ol dtimestamps, but current code.
2020-11-02T17:13:18 < karlp> no website works.
2020-11-02T17:13:28 < englishman> hehe
2020-11-02T17:13:31 < karlp> firefox is just, "cert is in the future!"
2020-11-02T17:13:39 < karlp> "I know, let me in anyway" "no...."
2020-11-02T17:13:51 < englishman> aren't you glad that https is keeping you safe browsing wikipedia
2020-11-02T17:14:04 < karlp> yes. super glad
2020-11-02T17:14:19 < mawk> karlp's vision of reproducible builds
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2020-11-02T17:14:21 < mawk> just rewind the clock
2020-11-02T17:14:34 < karlp> so glad site operators are doing hsts as well, so you can't even ask for http
2020-11-02T17:14:47 < karlp> mawk: I'm sure there's some undocumented knmobs somewhere for doing it,
2020-11-02T17:14:51 < mawk> http would just be a big 301 to the https site I think
2020-11-02T17:14:58 < englishman> yes, https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/ has hsts
2020-11-02T17:15:00 < Thorn> karlp if you have a DNS proxy it will break if server clock is over 1 hour off
2020-11-02T17:15:01 < karlp> but I'm not actually trying to remake an old image ala repro shit
2020-11-02T17:15:03 < englishman> to keep you safe
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2020-11-02T17:15:15 < karlp> I want current code, built as if it had been months ago.
2020-11-02T17:15:27 < karlp> testing what happens when nntp skew is "large" on bootup.
2020-11-02T17:18:17 < mawk> https://reproducible-builds.org/docs/source-date-epoch/
2020-11-02T17:18:20 < mawk> maybe your build system supports this
2020-11-02T17:18:30 < karlp> can't read it sorry
2020-11-02T17:18:34 < karlp> it probabyl does,
2020-11-02T17:18:46 < englishman> haha
2020-11-02T17:18:48 < karlp> but it was not in menuconfig
2020-11-02T17:18:58 < karlp> though I know it should be there somewhere.
2020-11-02T17:19:15 < karlp> in the meantime, I'm going to drink coffee and let this build finish
2020-11-02T17:19:24 < mawk> there's a debian utility called faketime
2020-11-02T17:19:26 < karlp> god I fucking hate hsts.
2020-11-02T17:19:30 < mawk> that you coulduse to just change time for a command, apparently
2020-11-02T17:19:34 < mawk> so, for your build process
2020-11-02T17:19:37 < karlp> absolutely fucking apalling
2020-11-02T17:20:04 < karlp> like I trust that a distro build will not leak outside a faketime wrapper.
2020-11-02T17:20:10 < BrainDamage> I've used faketime extensively, it works for 90% of the things
2020-11-02T17:20:31 < karlp> if it wasn't for hsts and short certs for letsencrypt, this basically wouldn't have even been noticed...
2020-11-02T17:20:31 < BrainDamage> an for the 10% of the things it's hopeless
2020-11-02T17:21:57 < karlp> heh, firefox has disabled an extension, (because https validation failed) and offers "help", which is... a https page...
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2020-11-02T19:17:29 < mawk> praises be the lord
2020-11-02T19:17:54 < mawk> I social engineered a little shy pharmacist intern Steffanx 
2020-11-02T19:18:05 < mawk> into fulfilling a prescription that won't start before 9 days
2020-11-02T19:18:11 < mawk> which is a bit illegal
2020-11-02T19:21:27 < mawk> for her, not for me
2020-11-02T19:22:12 < Steffanx> lolyou
2020-11-02T19:22:27 < Steffanx> must have been you charming french accent
2020-11-02T19:22:30 < mawk> lol
2020-11-02T19:23:08 < mawk> I still have 9 days gap, just pushed it away in 3 months
2020-11-02T19:23:13 < mawk> but the problem will come again
2020-11-02T19:23:24 < mawk> so I didn't buy illegal drugs on darknets for nothing
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2020-11-02T20:41:21 < Steffanx> Isnt this stuff supposed to help you not do that mawk?
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2020-11-02T22:09:04 < mawk> not do what Steffanx ?
2020-11-02T22:20:17 < PaulFertser> Not risk your life buying shit.
2020-11-02T22:22:34 < Steffanx> That
2020-11-02T22:23:14 < Steffanx> What have you been doing in Vienna mr mawk?
2020-11-02T22:23:34 < mawk> vienna? what?
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2020-11-02T22:23:45 < mawk> Wien?
2020-11-02T22:23:52 < Steffanx> Da.
2020-11-02T22:23:58 < mawk> never been there
2020-11-02T22:24:10 < mawk> I have to close the gap PaulFertser 
2020-11-02T22:24:14 < mawk> but I cancelled one of the orders
2020-11-02T22:24:17 < mawk> because I wasn't sure of the purity
2020-11-02T22:24:28 < mawk> one of the review comments was "3/5 stars: made me very sick"
2020-11-02T22:24:35 < Steffanx> https://twitter.com/GHG19hr/status/1323344876717703168 sure, mawk?
2020-11-02T22:24:52 < mawk> so probably it's not real methadone caps but ground powder that they cut then pressed again into pellets to fake it
2020-11-02T22:26:15 < mawk> is it terrorism Steffanx ?
2020-11-02T22:26:20 < Steffanx> maybe...
2020-11-02T22:26:41 < Steffanx> https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1323358852268646405 ; https://twitter.com/nbntweets/status/1323353031358992386 .... 
2020-11-02T22:27:29 < mawk> looks very muslim
2020-11-02T22:27:37 < Steffanx> maybe
2020-11-02T22:33:49 < Cracki> Schisserei means diarrhea, Scheißerei same, Schießerei means shooting
2020-11-02T22:34:05 < mawk> lol
2020-11-02T22:34:57 < Cracki> that sounds like firecrackers
2020-11-02T22:35:49 < Cracki> oooh they hold something rifle-shaped
2020-11-02T22:36:07 < Cracki> fucking hell just end them
2020-11-02T22:36:40 < Cracki> they can wage their civil wars on their own soil, not in europe
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2020-11-02T22:38:31 < Cracki> here's a little something on home grown antifa https://twitter.com/wayotworld/status/1323350973792821250
2020-11-02T22:40:56 < Steffanx> its funny how even her mates are like: WTF
2020-11-02T22:43:21 < Cracki> have some spacex https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1323288694955061257
2020-11-02T22:43:35 < Cracki> they are only like "wtf don't say that out loud!"
2020-11-02T22:43:53 < Cracki> they mean it. they want us dead, our children raped, ... and they think it's funny
2020-11-02T22:43:55 < Steffanx> i dont want spacex animations...
2020-11-02T22:44:23 < Cracki> buy a telescope, teach your children constellations of starlink
2020-11-02T22:44:31 < Steffanx> and that guy replies to all of mr musks tweets. The "Im a game developer blablalbalba"
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2020-11-02T23:22:19 < GenTooMan> Europe has had about millennium of war. The middle east has been at work since time memorial.
2020-11-02T23:23:00 < GenTooMan> They seem to carry grudges for eternity "your great great great ... did this" etc.
2020-11-02T23:23:10 < Cracki> let's reduce wars and send them home
2020-11-02T23:23:25 < GenTooMan> that can have multiple meanings...
2020-11-02T23:23:34 < Cracki> pick the most benevolent
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2020-11-02T23:38:18 < jadew> Thorn, make sure you read the datasheet and check the dimensions
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2020-11-02T23:39:05 < jadew> some of the Anritsu stuff is quite big
2020-11-02T23:42:04 < jadew> the cool part about communication analyzers is that they tend to have a higher than normal maximum input power
2020-11-02T23:42:57 < jadew> you can hook up many transmitters directly
2020-11-02T23:43:08 < jadew> (you can still fry the input mixer)
2020-11-02T23:46:50 < jadew> noise floor seems good (about 10 dB higher than what you would get an on HP 856xE)
2020-11-02T23:47:38 < jadew> unfortunately, it seems like you can't turn off the input attenuator
2020-11-02T23:47:46 < jadew> 20 dB up
2020-11-02T23:49:56 < Laurenceb> wtf Qt
2020-11-02T23:49:58 < Laurenceb> >-I/opt/Qt/5.5/android_armv7/include
2020-11-02T23:50:09  * Laurenceb failed at configuring something
2020-11-02T23:52:31 < jadew> Thorn, you won't be able to see signals below -112 dBm, and that's on the lowest RBW setting, so it will be slow
2020-11-02T23:53:01 < Laurenceb> oh
2020-11-02T23:53:02 < Laurenceb> >:-1: error: cannot find -lQt5Core
2020-11-02T23:53:12 < Cracki> >:-1
2020-11-02T23:53:31 < Cracki> it's angry at you
2020-11-02T23:57:21 < Laurenceb> ok wtf
2020-11-02T23:57:32 < Laurenceb> Qt is looking in android location
2020-11-02T23:57:50 < Laurenceb> the libraries are right there in /opt/Qt/5.5/gcc/li
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2020-11-02T23:58:03 < Laurenceb> */lib
2020-11-02T23:58:26 < Laurenceb> I set x86 but it still thinks I want android wtf
2020-11-02T23:58:35 < Laurenceb> must be some setting... somewhere
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2020-11-02T23:59:50 < jadew> hmm, those HP SAs have gone up in price again
2020-11-02T23:59:53 < jadew> so weird...
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2020-11-03T00:00:55 < Laurenceb> why is qtcreator so overcomplex
2020-11-03T00:01:02 < Laurenceb> so many hidden options
2020-11-03T00:01:19 < Laurenceb> 1k line makefile would unironically be simpler
2020-11-03T00:01:45 < jadew> use geany
2020-11-03T00:02:01 < jadew> or notepad, if on windows
2020-11-03T00:02:09 < jadew> fewer options
2020-11-03T00:02:35 < Laurenceb> wtf Qt > -L/opt/Qt/5.5/android_armv7/lib
2020-11-03T00:02:39 < jadew> IIRC you can use VS with Qt, no?
2020-11-03T00:03:03 < Laurenceb> jadew: yeah I think I can go behind the scenes and edit the makefiles
2020-11-03T00:03:08 < upgrdman> if anyone was wondering, JLCPCB looks to have decent quality for the price. silk alignment is good, and silk quality is good (not perfect, but good for inkjet type)
2020-11-03T00:03:35 < Laurenceb> no wonder its failing its still trying to build for android
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2020-11-03T00:05:14 < jadew> Laurenceb, when I was using qtcreator, I actually modified it so it would create different makefiles
2020-11-03T00:05:21 < jadew> I don't remember what the problem was
2020-11-03T00:05:26 < Laurenceb> aha found the option
2020-11-03T00:05:37 < jadew> it was in the early days, when everything about it sucked
2020-11-03T00:05:39 < Laurenceb> its hidden under "Qt Versions"
2020-11-03T00:05:40 < Laurenceb> wtf
2020-11-03T00:05:53 < Laurenceb> build target is different
2020-11-03T00:06:09 < Laurenceb> thats just stupid, surely it should be under "build target"
2020-11-03T00:07:42 < Laurenceb> >you can "target" x86 by compiling for android
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2020-11-03T01:04:10 < upgrdman> when UNDER soldermask, any idea how much isolation 7mil gap offers? like is 100V between traces 7mil apart (converted by soldermask, not open air) going to arc?
2020-11-03T01:04:22 < upgrdman> s/converted/covered
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2020-11-03T01:15:17 < Ecco> Hey :)
2020-11-03T01:15:44 < Ecco> Quick Altium quesiton: let's assume I have two versions of the same PcbDoc
2020-11-03T01:16:15 < Ecco> They only differ by the *location* of a given trace
2020-11-03T01:16:30 < Ecco> The "logical" conneciton being identical
2020-11-03T01:16:46 < Ecco> question: is it possible to "view" that difference in Altium?
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2020-11-03T01:49:02 < upgrdman> Ecco, i think there's a "diff view" or someshit like that. never used it tho
2020-11-03T01:49:17 < upgrdman> google "altium diff"
2020-11-03T02:00:21 < aandrew> Ecco: new altium has diff capabilities IIRC, but I run on AD17 which has no such thing
2020-11-03T02:00:40 < aandrew> Ecco: you may be better off with PDF schematics or layouts and use a PDF diff
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2020-11-03T02:07:14 < qyx>  do emmcs have a common footprints?
2020-11-03T02:07:15 < qyx> -s
2020-11-03T02:07:26 < qyx> all look the same
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2020-11-03T02:11:53 < englishman> yeah it's jedec isnt it
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2020-11-03T02:33:48 < Laurenceb> BASED MAGAPEDE!!!
2020-11-03T02:34:00 < Laurenceb> tfw all muh murican relatives voted for blimpf
2020-11-03T02:34:14 < Laurenceb> apart from my dad who is reeeing hard
2020-11-03T02:34:34 < jadew> I'm looking forward to tomorrow's shitshow
2020-11-03T02:35:42 < jadew> if trump wins again, I bet there will be at least 1 car burned down
2020-11-03T02:36:37 < machinehum> fcking glad I left the us
2020-11-03T02:36:37 < jadew> don't really know what would happen if biden won
2020-11-03T02:36:52 < machinehum> Still car on fire
2020-11-03T02:38:00 < jadew> at the very least, I'm sure the left are as shitty winners as they are sore losers, so it's still going to be a good show
2020-11-03T02:38:35 < jadew> they'll surely rub it in, so it's going to make for some interesting material
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2020-11-03T02:39:18 < machinehum> Car on fire will be prius
2020-11-03T02:39:29 < jadew> haha
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2020-11-03T04:02:52 < Ecco> Wells, turns out the new Altium does have a diff built-in, but it's really a semantic diff
2020-11-03T04:03:00 < Ecco> it'll tell you which net were changed for example
2020-11-03T04:03:07 < Ecco> or what component were added or removed
2020-11-03T04:03:29 < Ecco> but nothing about traces, as long as they connect the same pads
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2020-11-03T05:35:00 < Laurenceb> Trump wins: Evernone gets a free oil well
2020-11-03T05:35:01 < Laurenceb> Biden wins: Everyone gets coke and a hooker
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2020-11-03T13:16:28 < Laurenceb> the story of jahans
2020-11-03T13:16:31 < Laurenceb> https://farsh-nuke.blogspot.com/?zx=fdce3e554241bb41
2020-11-03T13:19:12 < Laurenceb> it all makes so much more sense now
2020-11-03T13:19:18 < Thorn> if you implement a joystick like device using CDC-ACM (bulk endpoints), how likely is it to have data dropouts / interruptions in practice compared to HID?
2020-11-03T13:19:41 < Thorn> (HID = interrupt EP with guaranteed bandwidth)
2020-11-03T13:20:01 < jpa-> bulk transfers should guarantee that the data will eventually arrive
2020-11-03T13:20:10 < Laurenceb> prob depends how congested the usb bus is
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2020-11-03T13:20:21 < mawk> >micropenis
2020-11-03T13:20:38 < jpa-> but there is no guarantee how it gets prioritized relative to other bulk traffic, i.e. what happens when you are transferring a bunch of files to USB stick will depend entirely on operating system
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2020-11-03T13:20:58 < Laurenceb> mawk: jahans == uk chris chan
2020-11-03T13:22:10 < Laurenceb> >So Matt Smith's Doctor got me smitten and kind of turned on the heat underneath my sexuality so things could start to bubble.
2020-11-03T13:22:15 < Laurenceb> sides: orbital
2020-11-03T13:22:42 < mawk> lol
2020-11-03T13:22:59 < Laurenceb> >Then I watched Farscape and fell in love with John Crichton
2020-11-03T13:23:06 < Laurenceb> >Then I watched Farscape
2020-11-03T13:23:08 < Laurenceb> kekkkkk
2020-11-03T13:23:20 < Laurenceb> I had forgotten that existed
2020-11-03T13:24:06 < mawk> why joystick with ACM Thorn ?
2020-11-03T13:24:18 < mawk> because it looks superficially easy?
2020-11-03T13:24:35 < Thorn> mawk the customers don't want to deal with "complicated usb stuff"
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2020-11-03T13:24:55 < mawk> lol
2020-11-03T13:25:08 < Laurenceb> tarduino users amirite?
2020-11-03T13:25:11 < Thorn> I'm obviously worried about latency. old data that does arrive is about as useless as data that has been lost
2020-11-03T13:25:34 < jpa-> i predict that they'll love trying to guess COM port numbers
2020-11-03T13:25:35 < Thorn> nope some kind of hot VR startup. I probably stole a job from dongs
2020-11-03T13:25:50 < mawk> hid is as easy as COM in my opinion
2020-11-03T13:25:54 < mawk> once you have libusb or whatever
2020-11-03T13:25:58 < mawk> it's just click click to install it
2020-11-03T13:26:02 < jpa-> at least make sure to put a serial number in your USB descriptors to make sure windows doesn't give it a new number every time it gets connected to a different port
2020-11-03T13:26:09 < Thorn> there's hidapi
2020-11-03T13:28:19 < Thorn> jpa- yeah this is something they *are* worrying about lol
2020-11-03T13:28:56 < mawk> are these companies really subscribing to USB forum to get vid/pid ?
2020-11-03T13:29:02 < mawk> or do they squat an empty one
2020-11-03T13:29:21 < Thorn> not discussed that one yet
2020-11-03T13:29:30 < mawk> they won't like the cost
2020-11-03T13:31:59 < Laurenceb> https://youtu.be/i-l15dW9JcE
2020-11-03T13:32:46 < Laurenceb> one and a half hours O_o
2020-11-03T13:34:03 < jpa-> apparently one can get USB PID's from ST for free
2020-11-03T13:34:40 < Thorn> jpa- the project is nordick based
2020-11-03T13:36:34 < jpa-> https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/33851/nrf52840---usb-vendor-id-and-usb-product-id  apparently they allow using their VID with random PID
2020-11-03T13:36:41 < jadew> I forgot farscape existed too
2020-11-03T13:36:46 < jadew> which reminds me of another one
2020-11-03T13:36:54 < jadew> "lexx" - IIRC
2020-11-03T13:37:36 < Laurenceb> oh shit 5:35
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2020-11-03T14:00:22 < Thorn> I wrote them a whole essay abut bulk vs. interrupt and possible ramifications, not sure if they're going to appreciate it or otherwise lol
2020-11-03T14:05:03 < zyp> wonder how the drivers would like it if you made an ACM device with interrupt endpoints
2020-11-03T14:06:44 < zyp> Thorn, what update rate are you looking at doing?
2020-11-03T14:07:35 < Thorn> zyp 100 Hz
2020-11-03T14:08:46 < zyp> how's the protocol gonna work? device just sends new data every 10ms?
2020-11-03T14:09:59 < Thorn> that's up to me but at least that's how they seem to imagine it
2020-11-03T14:11:03 < zyp> I think it'd work reasonably well in practice, unless it's put on a STT hub next to something that's saturating FS
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2020-11-03T14:11:36 < zyp> and since most devices that can push that much data are usually HS, that's not actually too likely
2020-11-03T14:12:04 < zyp> unless again you have something saturating the entire HS upstream
2020-11-03T14:12:18 < Steffanx> hm
2020-11-03T14:13:32 < zyp> but still, a reasonable scheduler should still let you get in one packet every ten frames
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2020-11-03T14:15:57 < zyp> my main argument here would be about APIs
2020-11-03T14:16:24 < zyp> if it's a joystick like device, why not just declare it as a joystick so it just works?
2020-11-03T14:20:15 < Thorn> it's supposed to send quaternions. not sure if there's a quaternion type in HID
2020-11-03T14:20:18 < Thorn> maybe this https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/hutrr70_spatial_controllers_0.pdf
2020-11-03T14:21:05 < zyp> ah, right
2020-11-03T14:21:42 < zyp> in that case I don't think there's a lot of existing application support, so it doesn't matter much whether you go with that or vendor specific usages
2020-11-03T14:23:27 < zyp> or maybe windows does, since this is a microsoft proposal?
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2020-11-03T14:26:24 < Thorn> I got the impression they [clients] aren't big on compatibility in general
2020-11-03T14:27:41 < zyp> doesn't have to be compatibility for compatibility's sake, it's just nice to be able to use existing frameworks/APIs instead of reinventing the wheel
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2020-11-03T14:29:33 < zyp> hmm, Windows.Gaming.Input doesn't mention spatial controllers, but there's a Windows.UI.Input.Spatial
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2020-11-03T14:56:56 < mawk> eclipse is so shitty
2020-11-03T14:56:59 < mawk> it doesn't show if build failed or not
2020-11-03T14:57:07 < mawk> so since 2 days I'm testing an old build
2020-11-03T14:57:09 < mawk> I'm going to sue them
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2020-11-03T15:25:28 < BrainDamage> ask for a refund
2020-11-03T15:25:56 < jadew> he wants to ask for damages
2020-11-03T15:26:14 < jadew> I applaud that
2020-11-03T15:29:50 < mawk> my super secret drug package didn't arrive
2020-11-03T15:29:52 < mawk> one of you turned me in
2020-11-03T15:30:00 < mawk> cops are waiting for me in the letterbox probably
2020-11-03T15:31:11 < mawk> json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Expecting ',' delimiter: line 11 column 3 (char 239)
2020-11-03T15:31:19 < mawk> then why don't you add it yourself if that's the only token that could possibly be there
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2020-11-03T15:32:03 < zyp> mawk, because fuck you, if you can't get that right, how can it trust you to get the rest right?
2020-11-03T15:32:11 < mawk> lol
2020-11-03T15:32:25 < mawk> at least gcc does it right
2020-11-03T15:32:32 < mawk> see an unknown type? replace by int and continue with compilation
2020-11-03T15:32:44 < mawk> that's the secret sauce behind its ability to spit out 843098430 errors
2020-11-03T15:33:04 < zyp> implicit int is a feature of the C stanard, not a gccism
2020-11-03T15:33:34 < mawk> this is outside the standard here, it's an implementation detail of how they recover errors to be helpful and give more errors down the line
2020-11-03T15:33:51 < mawk> because they don't really replace by int, it fails compilation; but it still tries to parse the rest having this replaced by int
2020-11-03T15:34:59 < BrainDamage> reminds me of the continuation methods of circuit sims
2020-11-03T15:35:25 < BrainDamage> when you have time step too small, it tries to attach virtual capacitors to bleed current from high impedance nodes
2020-11-03T15:35:43 < BrainDamage> some sims tell you that they do it, others do it silently without telling you
2020-11-03T15:35:47 < mawk> lol
2020-11-03T15:35:50 < mawk> nice
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2020-11-03T16:20:30 < Laurenceb> sheet its over
2020-11-03T16:20:32 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1323618794531532800
2020-11-03T16:23:59 < apathy> yea
2020-11-03T16:24:14 < apathy> Laurenceb: dns was shut off sometime in the past 24 hours. i don't know what you're going to do now.
2020-11-03T16:24:30 < Laurenceb> loads 4 me
2020-11-03T16:24:30 < apathy> step back in line with the new world order i guess
2020-11-03T16:24:40 < apathy> get your chip
2020-11-03T16:24:45 < apathy> and your vaccination
2020-11-03T16:26:51 < Laurenceb> apathy: whois loads for me
2020-11-03T16:26:56 < Laurenceb> is it wet yet inc
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2020-11-03T16:27:03 < Laurenceb> wtf 
2020-11-03T16:27:25 < Laurenceb> dapper laughs reference?
2020-11-03T16:28:47 < apathy> 8kun is now under the care and supervision of US CIA and Mossad. all shitposters will be categorized by obesity level and whether they are able to be successfully mk-ultra'd to peform mass shootings in the name of white supremacy so Queen Kamala can establish her Monarchy.
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2020-11-03T16:30:02 < Laurenceb> ywlt fug kween kamala
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2020-11-03T16:30:51 < Laurenceb> kamal rule 34 when
2020-11-03T16:32:13 < Laurenceb> >ywlts kamal and hunter biden pronz
2020-11-03T16:35:03 < jadew> can you have bets on election results?
2020-11-03T16:35:10 < Laurenceb> yes
2020-11-03T16:35:21 < Laurenceb> but its like 50/50 so utterly useless
2020-11-03T16:36:50 < jadew> if you were american, who would you vote for Laurenceb?
2020-11-03T16:38:19 < Steffanx> his mum
2020-11-03T16:39:21 < karlp> nice, shjip date estimate from digikey, "1/21/2021"
2020-11-03T16:40:16 < jadew> 11/11/11 would have been nicer, but you'd have to wait 90 years for that
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2020-11-03T16:41:04 < karlp> I was just moning about the 3 months, not the numerology
2020-11-03T16:41:18 < jadew> ah
2020-11-03T16:41:32 < jadew> it's not that bad, but did they charge you?
2020-11-03T16:41:49 < jadew> nvm, digikey - I thought it's mouser
2020-11-03T16:42:35 < jadew> had some issues with backordered items with mouser and them not charging me, only to tell me that they can't charge my card anymore when they finally had the products
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2020-11-03T16:46:22 < mawk> apathy https://mobile.twitter.com/realryanhartwig/status/1321495174631972864
2020-11-03T16:48:00 < Laurenceb> jadew: my dad lived in murica
2020-11-03T16:48:16 < Laurenceb> my brother and his family live there, they all vote for trump lol
2020-11-03T16:49:11 < Steffanx> You have no brother.
2020-11-03T16:49:17 < Steffanx> Family sure, but no brother
2020-11-03T16:49:56 < Laurenceb> i was gestated in a vat of slime actually
2020-11-03T16:50:34 < Steffanx> At least that i would believe
2020-11-03T16:51:21 < Laurenceb> my dad thinks trump is ebil so now there is a big fallout lol
2020-11-03T16:51:30 < karlp> jadew: nah, noticed before ordered. it's just one of the options for an eval board.
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2020-11-03T17:10:02 < aandrew> Laurenceb> i was gestated in a vat of slime actually
2020-11-03T17:10:07 < aandrew> this makes a lot of things make more sense 
2020-11-03T17:10:48 < Steffanx> lol
2020-11-03T17:12:24 < apathy> 3d printed more likely
2020-11-03T17:13:33 < apathy> what they didn't tell you about The 5th Element was they had to do several takes to re-create the supreme being Leeloo Dallas Multipass. the first few tries to print the being ended up with Laurenceb
2020-11-03T17:14:51 < apathy> after like 6 tries, they said "fuck it. cast him as Ruby Rhod"
2020-11-03T17:19:21 < aandrew> hahaha
2020-11-03T17:20:23 < jadew> utf test 🙃 😂
2020-11-03T17:21:17 < jadew> 🥰
2020-11-03T17:21:24 < jadew> #not-all-smilies
2020-11-03T17:26:49 < Steffanx> 🥳🥳🥳
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2020-11-03T17:27:24 < Steffanx> 🐱‍💻
2020-11-03T17:28:02 < Steffanx> How does that last one look jadew?
2020-11-03T17:33:50 < karlp> both look fine to me.
2020-11-03T17:33:56 < jadew> Steffanx, it had hearts around it
2020-11-03T17:34:05 < jadew> karlp, there were 3
2020-11-03T17:34:15 < karlp> ﷽
2020-11-03T17:34:23 < apathy> tf is that, ISIS flag?
2020-11-03T17:34:29 < karlp> close :)
2020-11-03T17:34:38 < karlp> https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+FDFD
2020-11-03T17:34:38 < apathy> karlp you little jihadist! i knew it!
2020-11-03T17:35:03 < karlp> it's actually urdu, so that pakistanis can write legal documents without having to switch input locales to arabic.
2020-11-03T17:35:38 < karlp> justification seems very reasonable: http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2413-4.pdf
2020-11-03T17:36:22 < karlp> jadew: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/LLNCF.png
2020-11-03T17:36:29 < Steffanx> no, i mean 🐱‍💻 .. what do you see jadew?
2020-11-03T17:36:39 < karlp> the cat and the laptop?
2020-11-03T17:36:40 < jadew> Steffanx, a cat and a computer
2020-11-03T17:36:45 < Steffanx> awh
2020-11-03T17:36:55 < jadew> karlp, they look different for me
2020-11-03T17:37:36 < Steffanx> its supposed to be a cat behind a computer/laptop
2020-11-03T17:37:40 < Steffanx> hacker cat.
2020-11-03T17:37:49 < Steffanx> https://emojipedia.org/hacker-cat/
2020-11-03T17:38:52 < jadew> in this font, they are blackface emoticons: http://5.12.164.114/stuff/emoticons.jpg
2020-11-03T17:41:30 < jadew> missed the opportunity to use this one: 🎃
2020-11-03T17:46:20 < Streaker> jadew: that's because your terminal is white on black
2020-11-03T17:48:02 < karlp> you're looking for meaning where there is none...
2020-11-03T17:49:10 < karlp> hrm, usb-c, and do usb2.0 + custom wiring.
2020-11-03T17:49:22 < karlp> may take some work to make sure things don't let the smoke otu...
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2020-11-03T18:34:19 < kaki0> Steffanx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dck6m5guuIE street musics
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2020-11-03T19:10:46 < Steffanx> Sounds like something i can listen to kaki0
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2020-11-03T19:22:37 < Steffanx> Now im tempted to buy the rest of the albums as well kaki0 :P
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2020-11-03T19:39:49 < apathy> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WP2pGAmbyYk/TtorUolGKtI/AAAAAAAAADg/yIhom3swlq8/s1600/the_fifth_element_ruby_rhod_desktop_1280x1024_wallpaper-62861.png
2020-11-03T19:40:01 < apathy> now we can have laurenceb on the desktop
2020-11-03T19:40:46 < Cracki> uhhh
2020-11-03T19:40:52 < Cracki> negro noises
2020-11-03T19:41:01 < Cracki> curse you! wrong channel
2020-11-03T19:41:39 < Cracki> they did have characteristic noises in the 90s or so
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2020-11-03T20:52:46 < antto> http://antonsavov.net/tmp/fake-pmkb.html
2020-11-03T20:59:07 < Cracki> Tue 36 Jun 2069 09:68:12 PM EEST
2020-11-03T21:02:20 < antto> the future brings new possibilities, mr Cracki 
2020-11-03T21:03:37 < Cracki> the doomsday cultists will eventually latch onto "OMG earth's rotation is slowing down! WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING! ANYTHING!"
2020-11-03T21:03:52 < Cracki> that's how I'd explain 36 days a month or 68 minutes an hour
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2020-11-03T21:23:54 < englishman> Oracle required an account to download jre now?!?!?!
2020-11-03T21:25:40 < Cracki> only if you want anything other than the latest
2020-11-03T21:25:50 < Cracki> at least that was it last time
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2020-11-03T21:26:48 < englishman> oh you have to go to the java webshite not the Oracle one
2020-11-03T21:27:54 < englishman> I thought I could get away without using java in 2020 but this cypress pd analuzer needs it
2020-11-03T21:27:57 < englishman> fucking crap
2020-11-03T21:32:42 < zyp> haha
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2020-11-03T21:39:28 < antto> kakium6ix9ine
2020-11-03T21:40:12 < kakium69> toxic element has been introduced to chats
2020-11-03T21:41:36 < antto> the exact effects on health are unknown at this stage
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2020-11-03T21:46:06 < qyx> hello fellow ircers
2020-11-03T21:46:37 < qyx> is it legit to buy samsung/toshiba flash chips from ali?
2020-11-03T21:46:40 < kakium69> evenings sir
2020-11-03T21:47:10 < kakium69> sounds bad
2020-11-03T21:47:12 < englishman> The drivers for this device are not installed. (Code 28)
2020-11-03T21:47:13 < englishman> uhhh
2020-11-03T21:47:19 < englishman> wtf cypress
2020-11-03T21:47:53 < englishman> this simple pd packet logging task is going to turn into a multi day trial
2020-11-03T21:48:11 < qyx> eg. this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000480697095.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.dd0f4419F14qno&algo_pvid=90feca9c-6102-4a28-bdb5-757725b50053&algo_expid=90feca9c-6102-4a28-bdb5-757725b50053-6&btsid=0bb0623016044328358948346e623d&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
2020-11-03T21:48:47 < qyx> or this emmc https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000822468737.html
2020-11-03T21:49:13 < kakium69> ah
2020-11-03T21:53:40 < kakium69> same rules apply to those than other products qyx
2020-11-03T21:54:27 < kakium69> see reviews, see price is right, see description, see photos etc.
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2020-11-03T21:55:50 < kakium69> ali is a lot better than ebay though
2020-11-03T21:56:19 < qyx> I am asking if it is common to see fakes of such chips
2020-11-03T21:56:44 < kakium69> have you a way to detect fakes?
2020-11-03T21:57:05 < jpa-> i'd be surprised if there wasn't at least pulls going around
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2020-11-03T22:09:11 < englishman> anyone have any old cy4500 installations with drivers
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2020-11-03T22:14:22 < englishman> YES I kept one
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2020-11-03T22:17:38 < qyx> UFS is positioned as a replacement for eMMCs and SD cards. The electrical interface for UFS uses the M-PHY,[6] developed by the MIPI Alliance, a high-speed serial interface targeting 2.9 Gbit/s per lane with up-scalability to 5.8 Gbit/s per lane
2020-11-03T22:17:50 < qyx> uh, so emmc is not the bestest one
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2020-11-03T22:22:00 < englishman> old one needed to download 500mb of .net
2020-11-03T22:22:01 < englishman> lol
2020-11-03T22:22:06 < englishman> but it WORKS
2020-11-03T22:23:18 < englishman> also apparently works with pd3.0 now
2020-11-03T22:27:45 < englishman> oh god it uses eclipse
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2020-11-03T22:49:39 < Steffanx> we know you love eclipse englishman, it is known
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2020-11-04T00:29:41 < Laurenceb> kween kamala will make fema death camps real
2020-11-04T00:30:02 < Laurenceb> >patriotards get sent to fema death camp
2020-11-04T00:30:21 < Laurenceb> last words: "muh shank, men at work cupcake"
2020-11-04T00:30:34 < Laurenceb> >qtards get send to fema death camp
2020-11-04T00:30:49 < Laurenceb> last words: "a STORM is coming, real soon now"
2020-11-04T00:31:49  * antto cannot compute
2020-11-04T00:32:08 < Laurenceb> a STORM
2020-11-04T00:32:21 < Laurenceb> MIGA!!
2020-11-04T00:33:22 < Steffanx> Dont even try antto
2020-11-04T00:33:27 < Laurenceb> https://encyclopediadramatica.wiki/index.php/David_Firth
2020-11-04T00:34:09 < Laurenceb> >A typical Firth animation consists of five minutes of Aphex Twin background music matched to a single "creepy" frame with random, brief, intervals of Tim and Eric tier random access "British" humor
2020-11-04T00:34:13 < Laurenceb> das wacist
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2020-11-04T00:35:41 < Steffanx> i wish you had more british humor mr Laurenceb
2020-11-04T00:38:28 < Cracki> bottom right picture, the BUF dude
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2020-11-04T00:39:15 < Cracki> wrong window again
2020-11-04T00:39:22 < Laurenceb> derp
2020-11-04T00:40:04 < Cracki> stop leaking reality into this simulation
2020-11-04T00:42:53 < Laurenceb> I just redesigned voooting
2020-11-04T00:43:02 < Steffanx> I can understand you get confused Cracki 
2020-11-04T00:43:06 < Laurenceb> >voting booth has buttons for each candidate
2020-11-04T00:43:32 < Laurenceb> >you can only press once unless its reset by the staff using their central button
2020-11-04T00:43:40 < Cracki> murican voting https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TameRequiredJaeger-max-1mb.gif
2020-11-04T00:43:50 < Laurenceb> >cables connect button panels to central locked counting unit
2020-11-04T00:43:58 < Laurenceb> thats it...
2020-11-04T00:44:37 < Laurenceb> of course someone could man in the middle the cables.. if you crept into the voting center or were a member of staff
2020-11-04T00:44:55 < Steffanx> But.. tampering with electronics
2020-11-04T00:44:56 < Cracki> russian grrl sitting in the vents
2020-11-04T00:45:01 < Laurenceb> lmao Cracki
2020-11-04T00:45:08 < Cracki> russian grrl sitting in the cables
2020-11-04T00:45:28 < Laurenceb> I wonder if she is a pro MMA fighter yet
2020-11-04T00:45:34 < Laurenceb> her faceberg is dead
2020-11-04T00:46:00 < Cracki> m***** agent
2020-11-04T00:46:19 < Steffanx> Here another issue was that voting is supposed to be anonymous. But they were able to determine who you voted using rf emission(s) 
2020-11-04T00:47:00 < Steffanx> So now where back to paper and pencil. Not sure if its much better
2020-11-04T00:47:28 < Cracki> irl copypasta in our city, "Menschlicher Kopf sendet und empfängt Radio lesbare Wellen" (human head sends and receives radio-readable waves)
2020-11-04T00:47:55 < Steffanx> Yay
2020-11-04T00:48:03 < Laurenceb> lmao
2020-11-04T00:51:59 < Thorn> which version of bluetooth does it support though
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2020-11-04T00:55:15 < kakium69> nooooo
2020-11-04T00:55:23 < kakium69> yyeeesss!
2020-11-04T00:56:11 < Laurenceb> wtf
2020-11-04T00:56:35 < Laurenceb> its the F5 F5 F5 tiemz
2020-11-04T00:58:14 < kakium69> what are you f5:ing
2020-11-04T00:58:26 < Laurenceb> keek 
2020-11-04T00:58:34 < Laurenceb> the David Icke livestream of course
2020-11-04T00:58:52 < kakium69> sum it up
2020-11-04T00:58:53 < Laurenceb> tfw Piers Corbyn
2020-11-04T00:59:11 < Laurenceb> also, reptiles
2020-11-04T00:59:26 < kakium69> and elections?
2020-11-04T01:02:30 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-11-04T01:02:33 < kakium69> are you really into it?
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2020-11-04T01:04:22 < machinehum> Time to set if SW2010 will work with wine
2020-11-04T01:04:33 < machinehum> Already crashed
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2020-11-04T01:14:40 < Cracki> yes! I managed to post spicy meme in the right buffer
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2020-11-04T01:14:58 < machinehum> well done
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2020-11-04T01:21:16 < Laurenceb> fam blud bruv innit wasteman chicken cottage thing mans not hot puff zoot mandem
2020-11-04T01:27:32 < kakium69> yes
2020-11-04T01:30:30 < Laurenceb> If only there was a leaked dick pic of the big man Biden then Trump would definitely have this in the bag
2020-11-04T01:36:18 < Cracki> how can people vote for that creepy dude who constantly gropes little girls
2020-11-04T01:37:38 < Cracki> I just heard, they're trying to push the lie that biden "stutters". no, his brain literally shatters in front of witnesses every other time.
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2020-11-04T01:38:03 < Cracki> in 2032 I'm gonna vote for STM
2020-11-04T01:38:33 < Cracki> mail-in ballot printer goes brrr
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2020-11-04T01:50:32 < Cracki> TIL: Tom Steyer, a dude nobody ever heard of (outside of international banking), was slated to be vice president candidate to Biden
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2020-11-04T02:04:08 < Laurenceb> sheeet results flooding in
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2020-11-04T02:09:25 < Cracki> sheeet metal
2020-11-04T02:09:37 < Cracki> new music genre
2020-11-04T02:17:24 < Cracki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88O5aFrMdew
2020-11-04T02:19:06 < Cracki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESeWcRNLnoA
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2020-11-04T02:49:28 < Laurenceb> sheet blimpf closing the gap
2020-11-04T02:49:41 < Laurenceb> 4 more isreal defence walls, murican taxpayers will pay
2020-11-04T02:50:39 < Laurenceb> they should just shut down all the ballots apart from in Florida, would make the outcome the same lmao
2020-11-04T02:51:14 < Laurenceb> my Brothers county just went red lol
2020-11-04T02:51:58 < apathy> it doesn't matter, Ruby Rhod Blaxter
2020-11-04T02:52:24 < apathy> orange man wins, NPCs riot for 4 years. kamala wins, white people still get put into camps.
2020-11-04T02:52:39 < apathy> NWO is right on schedule regardless
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2020-11-04T02:59:05 < Laurenceb> take ur meds
2020-11-04T02:59:14 < Laurenceb> unless yoiu were posting ironically of course
2020-11-04T03:09:39 < Cracki> it's true tho, that's what's gonna happen
2020-11-04T03:13:40 < Cracki> not the camps tho, that's bad optics and not even necessary. you'll have "free range" camps. effectively prisoners but without bars.
2020-11-04T03:15:06 < Cracki> whites in south africa have to live under constant terror from rape and mutilation. focusing on deaths isn't even half the picture.
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2020-11-04T03:57:43 < jadew> man... the CNN guys sure know how to make the elections exciting
2020-11-04T03:59:34 < jadew> they're trying to get the democrats to go vote
2020-11-04T04:00:19 < jadew> and not rely on the current outcome, even if it's in their favor, because they're saying that those votes were cast early in the morning and republicans vote later, so they should vote more
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2020-11-04T04:04:37 < jadew> looks like biden's ahead
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2020-11-04T04:33:19 < Cracki> does someone have a replay of the numbers from 2016?
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2020-11-04T04:34:57 < Cracki> worse: google calls states "won" when they have 1-5% reported
2020-11-04T04:35:38 < Cracki> they could explain that by claiming it's basic probability theory but they don't do that
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2020-11-04T04:41:30 < Cracki> does anyone have a map of where trump and biden held rallies? it would make sense to only visit swing states, so your own base gets the cold shoulder, as well as enemy territory
2020-11-04T04:44:51 < jadew> Cracki, you can probably find the coverage on youtube
2020-11-04T04:45:42 < Cracki> I was more interested in a simple table of numbers, "electoral votes won" over time
2020-11-04T04:45:55 < Cracki> just trying to see if they had a slant (obviously) and how severe
2020-11-04T04:47:24 < jadew> https://youtu.be/-TTiDlK4vS8?t=23706
2020-11-04T04:47:36 < jadew> ^then
2020-11-04T04:47:43 < jadew> now: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-president.html
2020-11-04T04:48:00 < Cracki> hmmm found 8 hours of abc news from back then. they had trump leading pretty early
2020-11-04T04:48:23 < Cracki> hm nevermind, when it was double digits they had killary lead
2020-11-04T04:48:26 < jadew> I remember watching CNN and they had him losing till the very last moment
2020-11-04T04:48:30 < Cracki> brb skipping through it and tabulating
2020-11-04T04:48:33 < Cracki> lol
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2020-11-04T04:50:19 < jadew> they're transmitting a slightly different idea now
2020-11-04T04:50:34 < jadew> "trump is going to lose, but maybe not, so go vote."
2020-11-04T04:50:51 < Cracki> transmitting? human head sends and receives radio waves
2020-11-04T04:50:53 < jadew> definitely a different tone
2020-11-04T04:50:55 < Cracki> lol
2020-11-04T04:51:04 < Cracki> they needn't bother
2020-11-04T04:51:27 < Cracki> they can just report tallies of votes that nobody cast
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2020-11-04T04:52:10 < Cracki> if anyone's gonna look for the ballots to back the numbers up, and inevitably fraud is determined, the reds will fume, the blues will whistle, and there will be ZERO consequences
2020-11-04T04:52:34 < jadew> on that link I posted
2020-11-04T04:52:46 < Cracki> and anyway nothing's preventing them from printing ballots and filling them out after the fact
2020-11-04T04:52:48 < jadew> some blue states have more votes for trump
2020-11-04T04:52:56 < jadew> check Vancouver
2020-11-04T04:53:15 < Cracki> vancouver, isn't that canadian?
2020-11-04T04:53:16 < jadew> 41% Biden, 56% Trump
2020-11-04T04:53:29 < jadew> I think US has one too - not sure
2020-11-04T04:53:31 < jadew> what is VA?
2020-11-04T04:53:42 < Cracki> virginia? no clue
2020-11-04T04:53:45 < jadew> virginia
2020-11-04T04:53:48 < jadew> yeah
2020-11-04T04:54:02 < Cracki> uhhhhh odd
2020-11-04T04:54:15 < Cracki> wait, do they have winner-takes-all per COUNTY?
2020-11-04T04:54:20 < jadew> yeah
2020-11-04T04:54:35 < Cracki> ok then popular votes != winner goes per state as well
2020-11-04T04:54:44 < jadew> yes
2020-11-04T04:54:50 < Cracki> or they just bullshit you
2020-11-04T04:55:20 < Cracki> I'd wonder why they report popular votes and which way the electoral votes go, but not anything in between
2020-11-04T04:55:36 < Cracki> so I'm inclined to believe it's not winner-takes-all per county, but per state
2020-11-04T04:56:05 < jadew> yeah, it's per state
2020-11-04T04:56:12 < Cracki> so they're lying
2020-11-04T04:56:20 < jadew> with what?
2020-11-04T04:56:42 < jadew> ah, hmm, maybe there's something going on per county too?
2020-11-04T04:56:43 < Cracki> with calling virginia blue while reds lead
2020-11-04T04:56:52 < Cracki> hey muricans here, help?
2020-11-04T04:57:10 < Cracki> educated gaijims are good too
2020-11-04T04:57:22 < Cracki> *gaijin
2020-11-04T05:01:09 < jadew> speaking of crazy shit
2020-11-04T05:01:12 < jadew> what's going on in France?
2020-11-04T05:01:25 < jadew> 850 dead from covid yesterday
2020-11-04T05:04:21 < Cracki> ABC looks like they're faily truthful. things progress somewhat linearly
2020-11-04T05:04:42 < Cracki> they probably count everyone _with_ it as _from_ it
2020-11-04T05:05:05 < jadew> Cracki, it looks exponential
2020-11-04T05:05:07 < Cracki> or they're truthful and it got into several hospices/retirement homes
2020-11-04T05:05:22 < jadew> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/
2020-11-04T05:05:31 < jadew> the death chart
2020-11-04T05:05:56 < Cracki> look closely, they have weird weekly spikes
2020-11-04T05:05:59 < Cracki> do the 7 day average
2020-11-04T05:06:04 < jadew> but I guess yeah, if they did that way of counting from the begining...
2020-11-04T05:06:14 < jadew> Cracki, everyone does
2020-11-04T05:06:18 < Cracki> that'd probably the monday spike that gets the slack from saturday+sunday
2020-11-04T05:06:23 < jadew> no
2020-11-04T05:06:36 < jadew> it's related to when they contact the disease
2020-11-04T05:06:53 < Cracki> not the deaths
2020-11-04T05:06:59 < Cracki> the deaths count when the body hits the floor
2020-11-04T05:07:16 < jadew> well, the deaths tend to occur after an average of 21 days after getting the disease
2020-11-04T05:07:32 < jadew> so they would group around that day
2020-11-04T05:07:35 < Cracki> for germany it's about 13 days, said someone by aligning the curves
2020-11-04T05:07:53 < Cracki> you don't keel over after precisely x.0 days
2020-11-04T05:07:54 < jadew> I could be wrong on that, that's months old information
2020-11-04T05:07:57 < Cracki> huge spread
2020-11-04T05:08:00 < jadew> and I haven't stayed in the loop
2020-11-04T05:08:18 < jadew> Cracki, sure, there has to be a normal distribution
2020-11-04T05:08:22 < Cracki> huuuge. they give ranges like few days to few weeks
2020-11-04T05:08:33 < jadew> nah
2020-11-04T05:08:39 < Cracki> sigma = 0 would still be a normal distribution :>
2020-11-04T05:08:45 < Cracki> as would sigma > mu
2020-11-04T05:08:55 < Cracki> (except you can't die before you get it... or can you?)
2020-11-04T05:08:56 < jadew> they recently changed the symthomatic phase from 2 to 14 days to something like 2 to 5
2020-11-04T05:09:00 < jadew> basically like a regular flu
2020-11-04T05:09:06 < Cracki> also it could be some other distribution
2020-11-04T05:09:26 < Streaker> dongs is on vacation?
2020-11-04T05:09:47 < Cracki> now that you mention it, haven't seen him...
2020-11-04T05:09:53 < jadew> it could, especially because it has two phases
2020-11-04T05:09:56 < Cracki> idle 624 hours
2020-11-04T05:10:11 < Cracki> multiphasic. raise shields.
2020-11-04T05:10:31 < jadew> right, where's dongs?
2020-11-04T05:10:38 < jadew> 624 hours is a lot
2020-11-04T05:10:45 < jadew> 26 days
2020-11-04T05:11:09 < Cracki> france cases has been climbing since july/august, somewhat smoothly and slowly. whatever's been going on with their deaths since october could be some saturation effect from health care overload?
2020-11-04T05:12:27 < jadew> don't know, but every couple of days we have a new peak
2020-11-04T05:13:02 < jadew> I posted some graphs maybe a week or more ago
2020-11-04T05:13:21 < jadew> the rise in covid deaths matches the pattern the regular flu had in the previous years
2020-11-04T05:13:35 < jadew> (for this time of the year)
2020-11-04T05:13:55 < jadew> if it's going to follow that progression, we're in deep shit, because this is just the beginning
2020-11-04T05:14:06 < jadew> let me see if I can find the links
2020-11-04T05:15:53 < Cracki> oh they are also reporting that the regular flu all but vanished, even in random testing
2020-11-04T05:16:06 < jadew> yeah, which is concerning
2020-11-04T05:16:14 < Cracki> I hope I misunderstood that and they only admit to sucking at detecting it
2020-11-04T05:16:20 < jadew> because it would have vanished because of the masks, but... covid didn't
2020-11-04T05:16:27 < Cracki> nah
2020-11-04T05:16:37 < Cracki> that's an implausible explanation
2020-11-04T05:16:55 < jadew> it's possible they stopped testing
2020-11-04T05:17:00 < Cracki> those hotspots, superspreader events, are not political rallies or restaurant goers
2020-11-04T05:17:18 < Cracki> it's the "party scene" where they wholly shit on basic hygiene such as washing hands
2020-11-04T05:17:29 < Cracki> oh they DID stop reporting flu numbers actually
2020-11-04T05:17:50 < Cracki> I had a weird WHO plot a short while ago. numbers just weren't trickling in anymore. nobody gaf anymore.
2020-11-04T05:18:02 < jadew> Cracki, yeah
2020-11-04T05:18:24 < jadew> according to the data, the flu is pretty much gone
2020-11-04T05:18:33 < jadew> http://5.12.164.114/stuff/outbreak/Rpt_LabSurveillanceDataAnyWeekGlobal.pdf
2020-11-04T05:18:48 < Cracki> who knows, maybe people's immune systems are riled up over the wuflu and somehow that keeps regular flu at bay
2020-11-04T05:19:06 < jadew> you can generate your own data here: https://apps.who.int/flumart/Default?ReportNo=10
2020-11-04T05:19:14 < Cracki> yup that's the link
2020-11-04T05:19:24 < jadew> http://5.12.164.114/stuff/outbreak/Rpt_LabSurveillanceDataAnyWeekGlobal%20-%202019.pdf
2020-11-04T05:19:29 < jadew> that's for last year
2020-11-04T05:19:40 < jadew> anyway, the point is that it's just starting
2020-11-04T05:19:56 < jadew> and it ends in spring, peaking into the next year (which was my fear for months now)
2020-11-04T05:20:10 < Cracki> hahaha found a two minute edit of CNN coverage from 2016. they were fucking lying all throughout
2020-11-04T05:20:32 < jadew> my theory was that what happened in China, was actually the result of covid being free since the previous year
2020-11-04T05:20:49 < Cracki> ah you're saying wuflu should behave like flu, and flu data from last year shows this pattern, so wuflu for this year should mirror it
2020-11-04T05:20:58 < jadew> yeah
2020-11-04T05:21:08 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2020-11-04T05:21:12 < jadew> unless serious measures are taken
2020-11-04T05:21:16 < Cracki> once again, people die every day from everything
2020-11-04T05:21:21 < Cracki> germany about 20k/week
2020-11-04T05:21:23 < jadew> and it hit china first
2020-11-04T05:21:31 < jadew> and everyone else will follow this year
2020-11-04T05:21:35 < Cracki> the wuflu deaths don't even make a blip on the mortality plots
2020-11-04T05:22:11 < Cracki> and anyway this isn't terrorism, this is just another pathogen that culls the old and weak
2020-11-04T05:22:28 < Cracki> people in general are afraid of natural processes
2020-11-04T05:22:39 < jadew> there's a good reason to be afraid of them :)
2020-11-04T05:22:46 < Cracki> nobody calls for global warming because old people slip on black ice
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2020-11-04T05:24:42 < jadew> hmm, in fact, if you look at the numbers for France for example, it looks a lot like that graph
2020-11-04T05:25:15 < Cracki> wtf the CNN video shows them reporting the same numbers as ABC, but cnn put such a spin on it all (didn't listen to what ABC had to say)
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2020-11-04T05:25:34 < Cracki> ok so it's the flu, it just wears a crown this year
2020-11-04T05:25:40 < jadew> I guess that now the question is if the epidemy will get larger this time or it will stay the same
2020-11-04T05:25:45 < jadew> if it will stay the same, then everyone had it
2020-11-04T05:26:37 < jadew> Cracki, don't know, I don't know how the curve looks for other stuff, but it surely behaves like the flu
2020-11-04T05:27:09 < jadew> another theory of mine is that those curves are tightly related to kids being in school
2020-11-04T05:27:21 < Cracki> I agree with the kids in school
2020-11-04T05:27:28 < Cracki> they aren't even getting tested in germany
2020-11-04T05:27:39 < jadew> because they mark the periods when kids go to school and stop going to school because of the summer vacation
2020-11-04T05:27:42 < Cracki> nobody bothers because they show nearly no symptoms at all
2020-11-04T05:27:51 < Cracki> but they spread it amonst themselves, then to parents
2020-11-04T05:27:56 < jadew> yeah
2020-11-04T05:28:06 < Cracki> also I'm positive that the weather/season has a huge impact.
2020-11-04T05:28:12 < jadew> I used to be sick every other week when my kid started going to kindergarten
2020-11-04T05:28:36 < Cracki> warm means droplets dry up quickly, sun is UV is disinfection
2020-11-04T05:28:48 < Cracki> fall weather, neither of those things
2020-11-04T05:28:57 < jadew> that too, for sure, but it's difficult to say which one has a bigger impact, because we've never tried keeping kids in school during summer and keeping them home during winter :)
2020-11-04T05:29:08 < Cracki> all contribute
2020-11-04T05:29:28 < Cracki> contributing members of pandemic
2020-11-04T05:29:33 < jadew> we might get some light on this in the coming months
2020-11-04T05:29:46 < Cracki> yt comment: Democrats had the lead in the morning until Republicans got off work to vote. 
2020-11-04T05:29:54 < jadew> haha
2020-11-04T05:30:07 < Cracki> which way do they claim it is this time?
2020-11-04T05:30:09 < Cracki> I forgot
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2020-11-04T05:30:35 < Cracki> then again, the commies sleep in until sundown and maybe get up to vote
2020-11-04T05:30:41 < jadew> CNN said that republicans went to vote early because they wanted to secure their vote
2020-11-04T05:30:48 < jadew> but yeah, that angle on the whole thing is great
2020-11-04T05:30:59 < jadew> *democrats
2020-11-04T05:31:02 < jadew> sorry
2020-11-04T05:31:05 < jadew> I should go to bed
2020-11-04T05:32:00 < jadew> and I will
2020-11-04T05:32:03 < jadew> night
2020-11-04T05:32:50 < Cracki> good night, I should do that too
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2020-11-04T09:46:20 < Thorn> how do I connect a spectrum analyzer to a power net? is a DC block enough? or something else like 50Ω resistors / active probes (god forbid) is required
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2020-11-04T12:48:19 < zyp> englishman, I'm sitting at a fairly new charging location now, probably opened last year or early this year
2020-11-04T12:48:33 < zyp> it got 20 tesla spots and it looks like they are all CCS-2 only
2020-11-04T12:49:30 < zyp> also got six other 150kW CCS chargers and six 50kW CCS/chademo chargers
2020-11-04T12:50:15 < zyp> don't see any AC outlets, so I guess zoe owners are out of luck
2020-11-04T12:50:15 < jadew> Thorn, what power net?
2020-11-04T12:51:06 < jadew> if you want to connect it to 3.3V, make sure it's AC coupled and connect it
2020-11-04T12:52:00 < jadew> if it's 220 VAC, you need DC block + attenuator
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2020-11-04T12:55:13 < mawk> renault zoe is so ugly
2020-11-04T12:55:24 < mawk> or do I mistake it with their first ev
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2020-11-04T12:55:30 < mawk> renault tweezy maybe
2020-11-04T12:55:48 < mawk> twizy
2020-11-04T12:55:51 < mawk> mega ugly
2020-11-04T12:56:28 < Thorn> jadew up to 12V
2020-11-04T12:59:43 < mawk> jadew likes nipple electrostimulation only up to 12V? little player
2020-11-04T13:00:53 < Steffanx> I bet you would buy a fiat multipla, mawk
2020-11-04T13:01:18 < mawk> I don't have driver's license
2020-11-04T13:01:48 < Steffanx> but you know what it looks like?
2020-11-04T13:01:49 < mawk> wow that's ugly
2020-11-04T13:02:00 < mawk> I saw it on the street before
2020-11-04T13:02:06 < mawk> I had to look away
2020-11-04T13:03:26 < jadew> Thorn, I would only be concerned with the initial edge that generates, but it shouldn't be a problem
2020-11-04T13:03:44 < jadew> SAs can take quite a bit of power if it's just a short pulse
2020-11-04T13:04:56 < jadew> oh, and you need a DC block, but the SA should already have that built in
2020-11-04T13:05:23 < jadew> (maybe check the specs on the maximum DC offset)
2020-11-04T13:20:22 < Thorn> ok thanks
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2020-11-04T13:35:10 < leibniz[m]> What is the initial dump of Winbond flashes? random bits?
2020-11-04T13:36:16 < Thorn> fresh virgin flash is usually all 1 bits in my experience
2020-11-04T13:36:42 < Thorn> at least NOR
2020-11-04T13:38:24 < leibniz[m]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KdqzBpcr7m/
2020-11-04T13:38:58 < leibniz[m]> Is it random? I don't think so
2020-11-04T13:40:12 < Thorn> maybe you're looking at pages with some kind of metadata, such as security
2020-11-04T13:40:19 < Thorn> consult the datasheet
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2020-11-04T13:52:00 < karlp> man, simplicitiy studio is not inspiring connfidence
2020-11-04T14:00:49 < karlp> fucking loving this modal dialog with no title bar to move it around
2020-11-04T14:03:10 < jpa-> can't you hold down alt or windows key and drag anywhere on the window?
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2020-11-04T14:04:37 < karlp> nope, it's all mangled :)
2020-11-04T14:04:57  * karlp exits and restarts now that it's "installed"
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2020-11-04T14:07:55 < karlp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/h0eCH.png top left is modal of some sort, doesnt' appear in overview, can't be dragged, and has no apparent buttons to close it, no matter where I sccroll too.
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2020-11-04T14:13:24 < BrainDamage> if you run xdotool winowclose, does it work?
2020-11-04T14:14:20 < karlp> I feel like this is a java x/wayland awt thing I've smelled before, 
2020-11-04T14:15:50 < karlp> xdotool selectwindow windowkill
2020-11-04T14:15:52 < karlp> works yes.
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2020-11-04T14:18:55 < zyp> mawk, twizy is more like a toy
2020-11-04T14:19:12 < zyp> bit fun though, I test drove one once
2020-11-04T14:19:58 < zyp> zoe is cheap and has decent range, but lacks DC charging
2020-11-04T14:20:24 < zyp> hmm, I think current gen got it, but the first two generations only had fast AC
2020-11-04T14:26:22 < karlp> bleh, I managed to "reset" the launcher perspective and now it doesn't have a busted dialog, but... I can't launch the battery estimator?!
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2020-11-04T15:03:19 < Steffanx> please close this SimplicityStudio and remove it from your computer.
2020-11-04T15:03:21 < Steffanx> PLEASE
2020-11-04T15:03:48 < Steffanx> It's everything but simple
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2020-11-04T15:15:45 < karlp> well, the BGM220 modules look nice, but yes, tooling environment is a fundamental part of selection :)
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2020-11-04T15:47:59 < Ultrasauce> complexitystudio
2020-11-04T15:48:17 < Steffanx> Absolutely.
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2020-11-04T16:30:41 < Thorn> is WICED studio different from "simplicity" studio?
2020-11-04T16:34:06 < karlp> so, efr32bg22xx silabs is ~4mA btle stuff, and then ADC is "~300uA"
2020-11-04T16:34:47 < karlp> nrf52x is ~4mA btle stuff, but ADC is 1.3mA
2020-11-04T16:35:04 < karlp> the radio shit's gnarly, they both claim shit like ~30uA average,
2020-11-04T16:35:11 < karlp> so that's a massive difference in adc power usage...
2020-11-04T16:51:23 < karlp> esp32 doesn't seem to be able to turn off wifi and only use bt either, and doesn't provide per periph power consumption :)
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2020-11-04T19:25:34 < Cracki> banana republic https://twitter.com/duckdiver19/status/1323974967617224704
2020-11-04T19:30:55 < karlp> there's vertical lines in the red sections too... what is the point of that post?
2020-11-04T19:31:22 < Steffanx> What if there is a good reason for this?
2020-11-04T19:31:41 < Steffanx> And the "voted come in in  batches" sound reasonable
2020-11-04T19:31:48 < Steffanx> Sounds*
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2020-11-04T19:32:41 < BrainDamage> or submitted in batches
2020-11-04T19:33:09 < Steffanx> And why does it matter? You cannot declare victory before everything has been counted.
2020-11-04T19:33:16 < Cracki> what you call batches I'd call checkpoints, which contain votes per candidate, so once in a while there's an update, and everyone's count goes up somewhat
2020-11-04T19:33:32 < Cracki> it's not the case that one update has 130k votes for biden and literally zero for everyone else
2020-11-04T19:33:38 < Cracki> that reeks of corruption
2020-11-04T19:34:11 < Cracki> they call counting stops randomly, and when they resume, suddenly some absentee ballots show up that are 100.00% blue
2020-11-04T19:34:24 < Steffanx> It doesnt look like 0. 
2020-11-04T19:34:45 < Cracki> as for these plots. 95% of the time you see the trend of who's winning, and right near the end of course, ONE CLEAN JUMP
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2020-11-04T19:35:29 < Steffanx> Yeah.. it looks interesting maybe, but id like to hear the explanation
2020-11-04T19:35:50 < Cracki> here's such a clean jump https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El_Ysj1XEAIeyy5?format=jpg&name=orig
2020-11-04T19:35:58 < Cracki> I would VERY MUCH hear the explanation for that
2020-11-04T19:36:13 < karlp> have you worked on a poll before?
2020-11-04T19:36:21 < karlp> things get piled up in votes for candidates,
2020-11-04T19:36:23 < Cracki> they are saying it's a truck of absentee ballots that suddenly turned up, and it's not some mix of votes, it's purely one candidate
2020-11-04T19:36:37 < karlp> they totally could have a big stack of one vote 
2020-11-04T19:37:12 < Cracki> there is no way to prevent tampering with the way they're handling the election
2020-11-04T19:39:32 < BrainDamage> when I did ballots here, during counting there were members from political parties discussing almost every imperfect thing in the papers
2020-11-04T19:39:49 < Cracki> present during the counting?
2020-11-04T19:39:50 < BrainDamage> like some smudges, they'd battle them to make it invalid, etc
2020-11-04T19:39:52 < BrainDamage> yes
2020-11-04T19:40:02 < Cracki> so your system works :D
2020-11-04T19:40:19 < mawk> it's like that in france too
2020-11-04T19:40:23 < Cracki> I don't trust _every single_ murican county/district to have both parties present
2020-11-04T19:40:49 < mawk> but it was like that in belarus or russia and nobody cared so I don't know
2020-11-04T19:45:16 < BrainDamage> it also takes a day max to count stuff, I have no idea why they are taking so long
2020-11-04T19:45:33 < BrainDamage> the most annoying thing is that until there's a consensus, none is allowed to leave
2020-11-04T19:46:14 < BrainDamage> so some representatives try to filibuster one or two votes, but even then, it still takes a day at most
2020-11-04T19:46:27 < englishman> I wonder how much the us election costs
2020-11-04T19:46:36 < englishman> not the campaigns, the actual ballot
2020-11-04T19:46:48 < Cracki> they actually went home to sleep in some murican voting locations
2020-11-04T19:46:55 < englishman> the census is a monumental expense, the election can't be that far off
2020-11-04T19:47:11 < Cracki> and came back the next day to continue counting (and *maybe* someone pulled an allnighter printing and filling out ballots, but I hope not)
2020-11-04T19:47:42 < Cracki> florida with its population strength managed to count it all on the same evening
2020-11-04T19:48:13 < Cracki> those other states just dick around for some reason. I don't believe they're _that_ incompetent, just bad at hiding what they're doing
2020-11-04T19:48:34 < Cracki> ~300 million pieces of paper for one
2020-11-04T19:48:59 < Cracki> hm no, isn't it ~60 million each popular votes, so maybe 120 million ballots
2020-11-04T19:49:33 < Cracki> mail in/absentee ballots cost to move (post)
2020-11-04T19:49:56 < Cracki> voting halls are probably free because they can use schools or whatever (what they do here, but on a sunday)
2020-11-04T19:50:45 < BrainDamage> yup, schools are used here as well, during the weekend
2020-11-04T19:51:01 < Cracki> digital infrastructure for tallying and quick reports, can't be too much either. a pile of VMs for a week at most, and whatever software is probably free beyond some moderate development efforts
2020-11-04T19:51:44 < BrainDamage> back when I did it, it was over the phone
2020-11-04T19:52:08 < BrainDamage> with still the representatives and police to bear witness
2020-11-04T19:52:14 < Thorn> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/stalin-vote-count-quote/
2020-11-04T19:52:28 < jadew> uhm... when I left home trump was winning wisconsin and michigan
2020-11-04T19:52:37 < jadew> several hours later he's losing them
2020-11-04T19:52:39 < BrainDamage> the police would even sleep in brands near the ballot boxes since the day before, while setting up stuff
2020-11-04T19:52:46 < jadew> by 0.6 - 0.7%
2020-11-04T19:53:04 < jadew> that's so tight, it's almost unbelievable
2020-11-04T19:53:35 < jadew> but who knows, maybe that's the divide over there
2020-11-04T19:56:12 < BrainDamage> bush jr election was won by a tiny margin too iirc
2020-11-04T19:56:30 < Ultrasauce> when was the last time an incumbent lost anyway
2020-11-04T19:56:31 < BrainDamage> so it's not unprecedented
2020-11-04T19:58:12 < englishman> Ultrasauce: bush sr
2020-11-04T19:58:22 < Cracki> tiny margins would be an indication that (1) polls give an accurate picture (2) campaigning works
2020-11-04T20:00:19 < Cracki> if people had a clear and hard to sway preference, we wouldn't continue to see almost perfect 50:50 numbers
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2020-11-04T20:02:44 < jadew> according to the current numbers, trump loses by 3 electoral votes
2020-11-04T20:03:37 < Cracki> this would also mean they expect a senile pedophile to be a better president than what trump has done so far
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2020-11-04T20:04:06 < Cracki> I am worried for what that says about people
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2020-11-04T20:05:50 < jadew> I'm looking forward to the outcome regardless of who wins
2020-11-04T20:06:00 < jadew> I'm sure we'll get some quality entertainment out of it
2020-11-04T20:06:13 < apathy> the great reset
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2020-11-04T20:07:00 < apathy> which doesn't really apply to most of you because you're either part of the 1% or build & install IoT smarthome bullshit for their bunkers
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2020-11-04T20:18:44 < zyp> Cracki, doesn't take more to be better than trump
2020-11-04T20:19:13 < Cracki> meaning being a senile pedophile is a plus? I hope not
2020-11-04T20:20:02 < Cracki> I also fundamentally disagree vehemently with the implication that trump anywhere on par with the senile pedophile
2020-11-04T20:20:51 < Cracki> inb4 "trump is worse". I give up. I'm surrounded by monsters.
2020-11-04T20:21:01 < leibniz[m]> What is SMBA1 and 2?
2020-11-04T20:21:25 < Cracki> maybe SMBus A1/2
2020-11-04T20:21:55 < Cracki> also could be SMBAI, i not 1, but what do I know
2020-11-04T20:22:10 < Cracki> alert indication
2020-11-04T20:22:41 < Cracki> or interrupt or whatever, idgaf
2020-11-04T20:22:42 < leibniz[m]> http://i.imgur.com/UUlufvR.png
2020-11-04T20:22:53 < Cracki> does your reference manual not help?
2020-11-04T20:23:23 < leibniz[m]> It says I2C SMBA
2020-11-04T20:24:17 < leibniz[m]> yeah its alertCracki: 
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2020-11-04T21:06:10 < jpa-> Cracki: isn't every american male a pedophile and stupid?
2020-11-04T21:08:18 < Steffanx> Such rhetorical question..
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2020-11-04T21:15:55 < jadew> http://5.12.164.114/stuff/cartoons.png
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2020-11-04T21:19:15 < jadew> I get the violence part... but nudity?
2020-11-04T21:19:31 < aandrew> lol
2020-11-04T21:19:37 < aandrew> my kids love wallace and gromit
2020-11-04T21:20:08 < jadew> I don't know if mine watches that
2020-11-04T21:20:53 < jadew> he'll probably eventually find it
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2020-11-04T21:41:43 < Steffanx> is this on romanian TV jadew? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crayon_Shin-chan
2020-11-04T21:44:35 < jadew> Steffanx, I don't recognize it
2020-11-04T21:53:57 < effractur>  /win 239
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2020-11-04T21:55:09 < aandrew> man I thought I was elite with like 22 IRC windows
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2020-11-04T22:01:06 < Thorn> was that something Trump needs to tweet to win or what
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2020-11-04T22:02:34 < zyp> aandrew, how do you manage to keep it down to 22?
2020-11-04T22:03:29 < steve_> what client do yall use?
2020-11-04T22:04:27 < zyp> I have this bad habit of joining channels and then getting used to what numbers they are, with a bunch of privmsg windows in between that and the previous channel I joined
2020-11-04T22:05:38 < zyp> so 2-16, 25-26, 28 and 30 are channels
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2020-11-04T22:18:49 < Steffanx> i left/closed like 75% of my "windows" a few weeks ago. Feels empty :D
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2020-11-04T22:24:52 < aandrew> zyp: I keep the privmsg windows to a minimum, and someo f the channels where I don't participate or pick up anything interesting from idling I quit
2020-11-04T22:25:05 < aandrew> and irssi is my client (through znc)
2020-11-04T22:26:27 < zyp> I tend to just leave them, useful to quickly be able to refer back if somebody messages me again later
2020-11-04T22:27:00 < qyx> here, channels leave me
2020-11-04T22:27:04 < zyp> and closing them causes renumbering of everything after that I'm not done with yet
2020-11-04T22:27:25 < zyp> qyx, you are window 18 here
2020-11-04T22:28:06 < qyx> you were closed
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2020-11-04T22:28:11 < zyp> :<
2020-11-04T22:28:18 < qyx> it happens
2020-11-04T22:28:24 < qyx> servers die sometimes
2020-11-04T22:28:28 < jadew> I use the mouse...
2020-11-04T22:28:34 < zyp> true
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2020-11-04T22:28:56 < qyx> jadew: are you ok? tell me
2020-11-04T22:29:00 < zyp> hmm, my irssi box has over a year of uptime now
2020-11-04T22:29:22 < jadew> qyx, I'm fine, why are you asking?
2020-11-04T22:29:41 < qyx> the mouse thing distracts me
2020-11-04T22:29:54 < jadew> I use it for everything else
2020-11-04T22:30:01 < jadew> even for typing when I'm lazy
2020-11-04T22:30:13 < jadew> I bring up the on-screen keyboard and type like that
2020-11-04T22:30:23 < Steffanx> noooooo
2020-11-04T22:30:25 < zyp> wat
2020-11-04T22:30:33 < qyx> oh
2020-11-04T22:31:02 < Steffanx> my laptop has a touch screen. And i do noticed i sometimes automatically bring my finger to the screen when i work on a non-touchscreen laptop.
2020-11-04T22:31:45 < zyp> I tried using my finger on a non-touchscreen yesterday
2020-11-04T22:31:53 < qyx> yeah, me too
2020-11-04T22:31:59 < qyx> it didn't work
2020-11-04T22:32:21 < jadew> I did that too, on my wife's laptop
2020-11-04T22:32:22 < Steffanx> Yeah, that's why i have all the time when its not my laptop
2020-11-04T22:32:32 < Steffanx> *what.
2020-11-04T22:33:01 < zyp> one of those computer kiosks in ikea, they look like touchscreen setups until you realize touching it doesn't do anything and that there's a mouse next to the keyboard on the table underneath
2020-11-04T22:33:12 < Steffanx> hehe.
2020-11-04T22:34:23 < zyp> went to pick up a new chair, but it was not in the self serve warehouse so I tried to order it through the kiosk, but apparently I wasn't allowed to do that since it was low on stock
2020-11-04T22:34:57 < qyx> so you just catched covid and went home without the chair
2020-11-04T22:35:00 < zyp> so I had to wait in line for customer service to do that for me, and the kid absolutely didn't want to wait in line
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2020-11-04T22:35:55 < zyp> nah, got the chair, just took longer than it had to
2020-11-04T22:36:10 < zyp> plus some extra screaming
2020-11-04T22:36:40 < zyp> kid's getting more strong willed these days :p
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2020-11-04T23:03:09 < karlp> they do that...
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2020-11-04T23:05:39 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWLozyS6EVU musics - genre is something like "war X battle map day by day"
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2020-11-04T23:07:23 < kakium69> how is innovation bitmask?
2020-11-04T23:07:47 < bitmask> fairly nonexistent, you?
2020-11-04T23:09:14 < kakium69> pretty much none
2020-11-04T23:09:59 < kakium69> how do one use Zoom?
2020-11-04T23:10:08 < kakium69> I have zoom class tommorow
2020-11-04T23:10:27 < aandrew> you donwload it
2020-11-04T23:10:30 < aandrew> you click on the link for the meeting
2020-11-04T23:10:36 < aandrew> and then you walk around without pants on
2020-11-04T23:10:40 < kakium69> oh
2020-11-04T23:11:03 < kakium69> is there any authentication process?
2020-11-04T23:11:07 < kakium69> or just link?
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2020-11-04T23:11:21 < kakium69> I assume it's decentralized system?
2020-11-04T23:11:57 < kakium69> meaning the institution using zoom for platform runs a server for the video streams
2020-11-04T23:12:17 < effractur> kakium69: often the link has de meeting password in there
2020-11-04T23:12:27 < kakium69> ah meeting password
2020-11-04T23:12:36 < kakium69> is there standalone client available?
2020-11-04T23:12:39 < effractur> or you need to authenticate dwith your single sign one simethinmgs
2020-11-04T23:12:45 < effractur> kakium69: yes 
2020-11-04T23:12:52 < kakium69> is it the bestest?
2020-11-04T23:12:57 < effractur> bestest?
2020-11-04T23:12:59 < BrainDamage> the pantless part is part of the autenthication
2020-11-04T23:13:12 < BrainDamage> unique body print etc
2020-11-04T23:13:35 < kakium69> yes
2020-11-04T23:13:44 < kakium69> bio-signature
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2020-11-04T23:14:08 < kakium69> I'm familiar with the concept
2020-11-04T23:14:38 < aandrew> kakium69: it can be authenticated
2020-11-04T23:20:53 < kakium69> installed
2020-11-04T23:21:05 < kakium69> I'm fully ready for the class
2020-11-04T23:28:04 < Steffanx> Just go sit in the sauna. In there everything is appropriate, except for clothes 
2020-11-04T23:29:15 < kakium69> my body is ready
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2020-11-05T01:16:26 < Cracki> board it up! https://twitter.com/MattFinnFNC/status/1324084637010976769
2020-11-05T01:18:14 < apathy> secretary of state says she welcomes challenges
2020-11-05T01:18:49 < apathy> basically like "fuck you. go ahead and try to hold us accountable. we have the neocons, the zionists, soros, and all the davos aristocracy on our side, who do you have?"
2020-11-05T01:20:06 < apathy> in bolivia, the government suspended the count of votes, and after few hours, they restarted it with new urns full of different votes.
2020-11-05T01:20:08 < apathy> in argentina, the same in 10/2019. the peronian socialists makes a fraud so they can win... and they won.
2020-11-05T01:20:10 < apathy> and argentine lost his future.
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2020-11-05T01:22:43 < qyx> why isnt there stm32 with on-chip hs phy?
2020-11-05T01:23:07 < Steffanx> Yes why
2020-11-05T01:23:13 < Cracki> is hs phy harder to do?
2020-11-05T01:23:25 < Cracki> do other chips with CM/CA have hs phy on chip?
2020-11-05T01:23:33 < Cracki> (mac, sure, but phy)
2020-11-05T01:23:46 < Cracki> does it make sense to leave choice of phy up to designer?
2020-11-05T01:24:00 < qyx> what choices do you have?
2020-11-05T01:24:05 < qyx> ulti in, usb out
2020-11-05T01:24:07 < Cracki> no clue, it's only high speed
2020-11-05T01:24:09 < qyx> *ulpi
2020-11-05T01:25:05 < Cracki> maybe they want to sell their stulpi01a
2020-11-05T01:27:04 < Cracki> what chips do have hs phy on chip?
2020-11-05T01:27:22 < qyx> usb hubs?
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2020-11-05T01:27:29 < qyx> usb bridges for example
2020-11-05T01:27:34 < Cracki> kinetis (M4) claim to have hs phy integrated
2020-11-05T01:27:35 < qyx> linux socs
2020-11-05T01:27:40 < Cracki> https://www.nxp.com/products/processors-and-microcontrollers/arm-microcontrollers/general-purpose-mcus/k-series-cortex-m4/k2x-usb/kinetis-k28-150-mhz-2x-usb-core-voltage-bypass-2mb-flash-1mb-sram-mcus-based-on-arm-cortex-m4:K28_150
2020-11-05T01:28:09 < qyx> stulpi is 4e on mouser, fuk them
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2020-11-05T01:28:20 < Cracki> lol
2020-11-05T01:29:12 < qyx> USB3300 looks better
2020-11-05T01:29:57 < qyx> 54.7mA Unconfigured Current (typical)
2020-11-05T01:30:02 < qyx> maybe thats the reason
2020-11-05T01:30:08 < Cracki> unconfigured
2020-11-05T01:30:16 < qyx> it may still be switched off
2020-11-05T01:30:20 < Cracki> does it go lower if you configure it... to sleep or something?
2020-11-05T01:30:28 < qyx> 83uA in suspend
2020-11-05T01:30:30 < Cracki> ye, big question mark
2020-11-05T01:30:32 < Cracki> ah good
2020-11-05T01:31:01 < Cracki> why would it draw milliamps for no reason that's dumb
2020-11-05T01:31:25 < Cracki> eh nvm i can think of reasons
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2020-11-05T03:57:50 < upgrdman> hey dongs, or anyone else in .jp, any chance you could look for an eBay Japan FAQ page that tells a buyer in Japan how to open a shipping damage claim for a package they received from the eBay Global Shipping Program? some person in japan bought my old laptop and said it arrived cracked. he seems to confused with how to open a shipping damage claim, and eBay USA tells me they can't open the claim, only the buyer can. :/
2020-11-05T03:58:27 < upgrdman> the eBay Global Shipping Program insures the package, any supposedly would handle this shit.
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2020-11-05T08:52:27 < jadew> got some spam from a programming sweatshop: "I am Amelia, a Web Development Manager in India and I work with 130+experienced IT professionals who are into:"
2020-11-05T08:52:53 < jadew> or more likely a sweatshop manager
2020-11-05T08:53:55 < jadew> should I reply and ask for a price list?
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2020-11-05T13:19:54 < mawk> what do you want to web develop jadew ?
2020-11-05T13:19:57 < jpa-> has anyone here tried hantek scopes, specifically MSO5054F?
2020-11-05T13:20:24 < mawk> yes but not that model
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2020-11-05T13:20:55 < jpa-> i'd be interested to hear about other models also, do they generally work & have sane user interface? any big gotchas?
2020-11-05T13:21:00 < mawk> I've seen more intuitive interfaces, but apart from that I cannot say much
2020-11-05T13:21:34 < jpa-> yeah, i'm not really expecting it to be best scope ever, but it seems pretty ok for the price
2020-11-05T13:21:57 < mawk> I mean for the one I tried, but probably it's the same kind of interface in this MSO5054F
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2020-11-05T13:23:59 < zyp> I think I have used some hantek scopes, but I don't remember which models or that there were anything remarkable about them
2020-11-05T13:24:18 < emeryth> jpa-: just go with rigol, hantek scopes look good on paper but the UI is shit
2020-11-05T13:24:38 < emeryth> although I have not used this generation
2020-11-05T13:24:48 < jpa-> emeryth: anything more specific about the UI? i realize that's the hardest part to get a feeling for from just videos and documentation
2020-11-05T13:24:59 < zyp> or maybe I'm confusing hantek with another of the brands
2020-11-05T13:25:09 < qyx> riglol
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2020-11-05T13:25:29 < zyp> maybe it was instek
2020-11-05T13:28:40 < leibniz[m]> Cracki: https://youtu.be/YVDLNFEuvEI
2020-11-05T13:29:01 < invzim> regarding scopes, I find the rigol mso5000 painfully slow (UI)
2020-11-05T13:29:03 < leibniz[m]> Does #stm32 know Luke Smith? 
2020-11-05T13:30:00 < leibniz[m]> To be fair, his twm, vim, config stuff are good
2020-11-05T13:30:01 < emeryth> jpa-: it's the annoying little things
2020-11-05T13:30:30 < emeryth> for example the older scopes didn't have velocity sensing on the knobs
2020-11-05T13:30:58 < emeryth> so it takes forever to move cursors
2020-11-05T13:32:29 < jpa-> ugh, yeah, i've used some other manufacturer scope with that defiency
2020-11-05T13:32:42 < jpa-> i don't know how they even manage to mess up encoders like that, crappy debouncing or something
2020-11-05T13:33:47 < mawk> jpa-: for me the UI was just not intuitive, like how to get out of menus, why some actions are greyed out and so on; but in the end I could do what I want
2020-11-05T13:33:56 < mawk> but I didn't do much with it
2020-11-05T13:33:58 < mawk> just some fft stuff
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2020-11-05T13:43:01 < Steffanx> No stm32 does not know that guy, leibniz[m]
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2020-11-05T13:48:22 < jadew> mawk, nothing
2020-11-05T13:49:38 < jadew> zyp, instek is higher quality than hantek
2020-11-05T13:50:18 < jadew> my feel for hantek, is that they're just getting out of the swamp, but they still have a leg there
2020-11-05T13:51:16 < jadew> the products they make are somewhere between sweatshop crap and low quality, but decent product
2020-11-05T13:51:33 < jadew> BETWEEN
2020-11-05T13:52:24 < jadew> also, just found this: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-voter-fraud-organization-video-gaffe
2020-11-05T13:52:59 < jadew> I remember when our previous prime minister (also socialist) had the same slip of the tongue when he ran for presidency
2020-11-05T13:53:27 < jadew> in that case I know for sure there was election fraud
2020-11-05T13:53:56 < jadew> btw, the video is below in that article
2020-11-05T13:54:12 < jadew> I don't understand why they put an unrelated video at the top
2020-11-05T13:56:07 < Steffanx> Fuck it jadew. Lets get a 24 seconds video where he says something, without really eleborating and go all "But hheee saaaiiid mmeeeeh". 
2020-11-05T13:56:22 < englishman> that would be boring
2020-11-05T13:56:27 < englishman> and not SHOCKING
2020-11-05T13:56:38 < englishman> the important thing is that news is SHOCKING
2020-11-05T13:57:07 < englishman> wifeishman is gone with the tesla on a trip
2020-11-05T13:57:12 < englishman> and I have to drive the leaf
2020-11-05T13:57:14 < Steffanx> I hate it when they do that. Happens way too often. And all the media goes "meeeeeeh" and people go "meeeeeh" and they forgot about the nuance they added or what he said before that which totally changes what he actually said.
2020-11-05T13:57:21 < englishman> what a blast from the past it is to drive manually
2020-11-05T13:57:35 < Steffanx> Yeah, exactly. Those are the kind of serious first world problems englishman
2020-11-05T13:57:42 < englishman> yes
2020-11-05T13:57:47 < Steffanx> A fucking LEAF.
2020-11-05T13:57:51 < englishman> ikr
2020-11-05T13:58:26 < Steffanx> Ok, the 2019 model at least looks a lot better, but i only hear bad stories about the older model.
2020-11-05T13:58:26 < englishman> instead of the charge poet flap opening itself, I have to press a button and open it
2020-11-05T13:58:40 < Steffanx> Like a range of 0.0km when you turn on the heater etc.
2020-11-05T13:58:56 < Steffanx> And it probably the time to turn on the heater there already
2020-11-05T13:59:00 < englishman> they had Small batteries yes
2020-11-05T13:59:13 < englishman> but they were cheap
2020-11-05T13:59:23 < englishman> you can get them for $5k now
2020-11-05T13:59:41 < englishman> I find the new ones a bad deal, they are only $5k less than a tesla
2020-11-05T14:00:32 < Steffanx> $5k? Not in dutchland. Or maybe but without the battery
2020-11-05T14:00:48 < Steffanx> but even then i probably couldnt get to work and back.
2020-11-05T14:01:00 < jadew> Steffanx, it wasn't out of context, it was a slip of the tongue
2020-11-05T14:01:11 < englishman> well it's different in EU of course
2020-11-05T14:01:23 < englishman> there is no useful public transit here
2020-11-05T14:01:25 < jadew> maybe he was thinking about something, but still, pretty embarrassing
2020-11-05T14:01:42 < englishman> it's amazing how much I was using autopilot and how different it is without it
2020-11-05T14:02:21 < jadew> englishman, by autopilot you mean the one where the car actually drives itself?
2020-11-05T14:03:48 < zyp> englishman, yeah
2020-11-05T14:04:49 < zyp> my egolf is not a tesla, but it has both adaptive cruise control and lane assist
2020-11-05T14:05:27 < zyp> the lane assist isn't very noticeable when driving it, but the lack of it is really noticeable when driving other cars afterwards
2020-11-05T14:05:43 < jadew> what does it do? keeps you centered?
2020-11-05T14:06:26 < zyp> yeah, it does a pretty good job of keeping the car in the lane
2020-11-05T14:11:22 < Steffanx> Does it still force you to keep you hand on the wheel?
2020-11-05T14:11:56 < Steffanx> hands
2020-11-05T14:12:09 < zyp> the lane assist? yes
2020-11-05T14:12:33 < zyp> it cuts off if it doesn't detect any driver input
2020-11-05T14:15:11 < jadew> so it makes you think everything is under control and when you give into it and look away, it crashes you into a ditch?
2020-11-05T14:15:42 < zyp> haha
2020-11-05T14:15:43 < apathy> sounds like telematics in 2025 when you post something on social media the mob doesn't like.
2020-11-05T14:15:52 < apathy> all of a sudden you end up like paul walker - wrapped around a tree.
2020-11-05T14:16:15 < Steffanx> apathy, did prison time fuck you up mentally or was it bad before that already?
2020-11-05T14:16:34 < zyp> first it pops up a message in the display to keep your hands on the wheel, then if it still doesn't detect any driver input it gives an audible ding
2020-11-05T14:16:55 < apathy> Steffanx: i'm just pointing out the obvious
2020-11-05T14:16:55 < zyp> and then if you still ignore it it goes «well fuck you then, just go crash»
2020-11-05T14:17:25 < Steffanx> 5G right, apathy?
2020-11-05T14:17:43 < englishman> those egolfs at $26k are tempting
2020-11-05T14:17:44 < apathy> 5G is just a brand name for moar bandwidth and stuff
2020-11-05T14:18:11 < englishman> hey steffy my paramotor wing came in im going to go fly with it tomorrow!
2020-11-05T14:18:25 < Steffanx> lol, no i mean your talk sounds like how some people say corona = 5G, apathy
2020-11-05T14:19:13 < apathy> oh. yea that's because it's easier to be lazy and assume anyone who presents fringe ideas shall be categorized with all the 5G antivax incel shooter crazies.
2020-11-05T14:20:04 < Steffanx> Yes.
2020-11-05T14:20:05 < jadew> zyp, interesting design choice, I guess it makes more sense than letting the car go straight, potentially reaching a populated area (with the assumption that lane assist would be engaged outside of the city)
2020-11-05T14:20:08 < apathy> how can you not assume that the unification of data across all systems will not lead to algorithmic paul-walkering of dissenters?
2020-11-05T14:20:37 < apathy> we have IPO'd companies here that are doing exactly this - like Palantir
2020-11-05T14:21:36 < jadew> apathy, you're afraid someone can hack your car and kill you?
2020-11-05T14:22:02 < apathy> jadew: it's not "hacking" if it's part of the manufacturer's firmware.
2020-11-05T14:22:31 < jadew> right, so use it without a network connection
2020-11-05T14:22:51 < apathy> that will be illegal soon
2020-11-05T14:23:22 < zyp> jadew, it's just a matter of seconds from lack of input to cutoff, so I figure the point is to simply avoid you taking away the attention from driving at all
2020-11-05T14:24:07 < jadew> zyp, yeah, but they must have thought about the possibility that the driver died or is in a comma
2020-11-05T14:24:33 < zyp> I don't think that is relevant
2020-11-05T14:24:33 < jadew> in which case what do you do: a) keep the lane until you crash, or b) crash now
2020-11-05T14:24:58 < jadew> well, those are extreme examples, but people do fall asleep all the time
2020-11-05T14:25:02 < jadew> then you have drunks
2020-11-05T14:25:10 < zyp> I mean, the equation is simple; a car with lane assist have to be at least as safe as a car without lane assist
2020-11-05T14:25:17 < jadew> and then you have actual medical issues that can take the driver out of commission
2020-11-05T14:25:29 < jadew> right
2020-11-05T14:25:37 < zyp> a car without lane assist wouldn't prevent you from crashing if you fell asleep
2020-11-05T14:25:42 < jadew> and I think keeping the lane would make it worse
2020-11-05T14:26:08 < zyp> depends, remember it also got adaptive cruise and emergency braking
2020-11-05T14:26:08 < jadew> *potentially make it worse
2020-11-05T14:26:16 < jadew> hmm
2020-11-05T14:26:29 < jadew> then I wonder it just doesn't stop?
2020-11-05T14:26:35 < jadew> put on hazard lights and stop the car
2020-11-05T14:26:42 < apathy> how about just put cell phone jammers on all major highways?
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2020-11-05T14:26:58 < apathy> and put little emergency call-boxes every mile
2020-11-05T14:27:07 < jadew> *wonder why
2020-11-05T14:27:12 < zyp> jadew, because that's not what it's designed to do
2020-11-05T14:27:18 < apathy> that would likely be cheaper and more effective than telematics/AI
2020-11-05T14:27:33 < jadew> zyp, obviously, the question is why it isn't designed like that, because it sounds safer
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2020-11-05T14:28:26 < zyp> complexity?
2020-11-05T14:28:46 < jadew> doesn't seem too complex if the systems are already there
2020-11-05T14:29:01 < jadew> assuming it has cruise control too - lower speed
2020-11-05T14:29:11 < jadew> then break - which it can already do
2020-11-05T14:29:20 < jadew> and just turn on the hazard lights from the get go
2020-11-05T14:29:33 < jadew> and don't touch lane assist, because it's already on
2020-11-05T14:30:06 < jadew> must have been a legal thing
2020-11-05T14:30:26 < apathy> TIL the most common movement prior to crash
2020-11-05T14:30:41 < zyp> well, for one it'd have to include a better detection of whether the driver is actually incapacitated
2020-11-05T14:31:31 < jadew> to avoid a false positive?
2020-11-05T14:31:34 < apathy> according to a US NHSTA crash causation survey (this one is a little old), the most common movement prior to crash is.... going straight.
2020-11-05T14:31:37 < zyp> jadew, yes
2020-11-05T14:31:42 < jadew> zyp, yeah, that's true
2020-11-05T14:32:04 < apathy> going straight makes up for 46% of all types of vehicular movement prior to crash
2020-11-05T14:32:31 < jadew> "I was going straight, and someone hit me from the side"
2020-11-05T14:32:44 < jadew> like that? :P
2020-11-05T14:32:48 < apathy> i'm looking for a more recent survey, because I suspect that going straight bit is going to be even higher now. didn't have as many smartphones on the road as in 2008
2020-11-05T14:33:09 < apathy> rather... more smartphones now
2020-11-05T14:33:20 < apathy> thy whole dynamic of driving has changed in the last 15 years
2020-11-05T14:33:24 < jadew> I almost had an accident once after I got a new phone
2020-11-05T14:33:45 < jadew> was about to hit the side of a bridge
2020-11-05T14:34:26 < jadew> took me a couple of km to shake off the scare and get back to my messages
2020-11-05T14:34:55 < jadew> I'm kidding, I learned my lesson
2020-11-05T14:37:10 < apathy> https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/813021
2020-11-05T14:37:19 < apathy> ***Roadway departure as defined by FHWA: A crash in which a vehicle crosses an edge line, a centerline, or leaves the traveled way
2020-11-05T14:37:24 < apathy> isn't that interesting?
2020-11-05T14:37:39 < apathy> the leading cause of traffic fatatities being "roadway depature crashes" ?
2020-11-05T14:37:49 < apathy> *fatalities
2020-11-05T14:38:19 < apathy> vehicle crosses an edge line, centerline, leaves the traveled way... what would cause that?
2020-11-05T14:39:04 < apathy> there's really only two major causes of that. one of which is apparently more common.
2020-11-05T14:39:27 < apathy> the lesser common (though still a major contributor to traffic fatalities) is drunk driving
2020-11-05T14:39:41 < apathy> the now most common would be the smartphone
2020-11-05T14:40:24 < jadew> it's not falling asleep?
2020-11-05T14:40:38 < apathy> what's the difference?
2020-11-05T14:40:58 < jadew> one is new
2020-11-05T14:41:09 < apathy> NPC transfixed by smartphone vs. actually falling asleep. I see no diff.
2020-11-05T14:41:37 < jadew> the causes are different
2020-11-05T14:41:50 < jadew> you take a 15 minutes nap and you're good to go for two more hours
2020-11-05T14:42:06 < apathy> if anything "fell asleep" is probably overreported now because people are too narcissistic (from smartphone use) to admit they were fucking texting
2020-11-05T14:43:41 < apathy> therefore, what we need is in-vehicle nanny technology so we don't need to learn defensive driving. the vehicle will do it all for us. and of course all of that data will be interconnected with all other datapoints about ourselves and our lives.
2020-11-05T14:44:11 < apathy> so it goes without question that eventually those with poor social credit scores will simply "lose control" of their vehicles and end up in traffic fatilities
2020-11-05T14:44:30 < apathy> plausible deniability. how dare you question the algorithms. they're perfect. they keep us safe!
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2020-11-05T14:52:51 < karlp> jpa-: new hantek dso4k series UI feedback: https://paste.jvnv.net/paste
2020-11-05T14:53:05 < karlp> whatthe
2020-11-05T14:53:49 < karlp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/sCV7A better.
2020-11-05T14:55:02 < karlp> that mixed directions for channel verts looks insane...
2020-11-05T14:55:25 < karlp> oh no, it' snot, it' just clockwise, with labels weirdly
2020-11-05T14:55:46 < karlp> he just says it'
2020-11-05T14:55:48 < jpa-> lol
2020-11-05T14:55:50 < karlp> s confusing looking at it
2020-11-05T14:55:57 < karlp> and he always ends up double thinking
2020-11-05T14:56:35 < karlp> and hand covers things so sees the other one as reference
2020-11-05T14:56:54 < karlp> price is good though.
2020-11-05T14:57:09 < jpa-> yeah
2020-11-05T14:57:27 < karlp> I th ink he only paid like 300€ for it.
2020-11-05T14:57:48 < jpa-> that's cheap
2020-11-05T14:58:00 < karlp> eyah, some special, possibly dubious local .fr deal
2020-11-05T14:58:26 < karlp> I was going to get one myself, but decided I don't _reallllly_ need one, and it'ðs apparently kinda loud too
2020-11-05T15:02:04 < jpa-> my latest project has been very annoying to debug with just 2 channels
2020-11-05T15:02:32 < jpa-> rigol DS1054Z is pretty good also, though i'd like the separate scale knobs for each channel
2020-11-05T15:05:33 < Thorn> BLE is not the only thing that is closed sores in nordick SDKs. 802.15.4 is shipped as .a / .lib + headers
2020-11-05T15:06:06 < Thorn> jpa- do you ever use uart//spi/i2c decoding in that scope
2020-11-05T15:06:48 < jpa-> i don't even own it yet, so no
2020-11-05T15:07:05 < jpa-> but usually i use pulseview on PC for such decoding
2020-11-05T15:07:27 < srk> it works with rigol
2020-11-05T15:08:14 < karlp> Thorn: what did you expect? :)
2020-11-05T15:09:07 < karlp> how's nrf sdk though in general? I'm coming down to nrf52833 in laird/fanstel/?? module, silabs bgm220, or posssssibly esp32.
2020-11-05T15:09:16 < Thorn> I mean "advanced" things like triggering on some i2c command and watching an analog channel
2020-11-05T15:09:26 < Thorn> something you can't do with a usb signal analyzer
2020-11-05T15:09:35 < Thorn> (unless it has analog channels)
2020-11-05T15:10:58 < jpa-> so far i've just used extra gpio to output trigger signal for such things
2020-11-05T15:11:32 < Thorn> karlp I'd never have spent as much time fighting it as I did if I had a significantly better alternative
2020-11-05T15:12:09 < karlp> what else did you consider?
2020-11-05T15:12:10 < Thorn> there's nothing there to like, expect major pain
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2020-11-05T15:12:33 < jpa-> i've tried silabs and nrf BLE sdk's, silabs was nicer because nrf sdk is really annoying when trying to debug anything
2020-11-05T15:13:14 < jpa-> every time you break into debugger and continue, nrf sdk assert()s; silabs sdk just resends packet if communication was interrupted
2020-11-05T15:13:19 < Thorn> stm32wb didn't really exist back then and I've never really had a chance to look at silabs
2020-11-05T15:13:32 < karlp> if simplicity studio had actually worked for me, I'd feel a lot happier.
2020-11-05T15:13:33 < Thorn> the softdevice hardfaults intentionally, yes
2020-11-05T15:13:48 < karlp> stm32wb looks ok, but no readily available modules for it that I can see.
2020-11-05T15:13:50 < jpa-> i didn't use the official IDE of either of them, though
2020-11-05T15:14:23 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/bletalk   here's my bare bones makefile stuff for silabs sdk
2020-11-05T15:14:38 < zyp> karlp, like this? https://midatronics.com/shop/module/sharkypro-i/
2020-11-05T15:16:16 < Steffanx> buy now -> get a quote/contact us -_-
2020-11-05T15:16:42 < zyp> they are in stock at arrow
2020-11-05T15:16:50 < zyp> but only there
2020-11-05T15:17:23 < Steffanx> ah
2020-11-05T15:18:08 < Steffanx> Not on my arrow...
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2020-11-05T15:18:52 < zyp> also, why bother with a module? it shouldn't need that many external parts
2020-11-05T15:23:41 < karlp> zyp: had seen the sharky, but no prices on it.
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2020-11-05T15:23:55 < karlp> zyp: because I don't have enoug time or people for that, really.
2020-11-05T15:24:01 < karlp> I know it _shoujld_ be "just do it"
2020-11-05T15:24:19 < karlp> but I couldnt' even organize a fucking crystal to oscillate on the last "this is a simple desighn, just do it"
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2020-11-05T15:24:39 < zyp> haha, fair
2020-11-05T15:25:00 < karlp> I have more than enough work on my hands as it is, without adding "simple" hw.
2020-11-05T15:26:00 < karlp> cubemx power predictor thing isn't very good for bluetooth
2020-11-05T15:26:36 < zyp> first radio board I designed, I got the crystal loading wrong which fucked up the frequency enough that it didn't hit the correct channel
2020-11-05T15:27:39 < zyp> but apart from that, if you can get a normal stm32 working, more or less all you need to get a stm32wb working should be to slap on a balun and an antenna
2020-11-05T15:27:52 < zyp> and IIRC they released a neat all in one balun part along with the stm32wb
2020-11-05T15:28:35 < karlp> "working" vs "I need these to realllly work"
2020-11-05T15:29:05 < karlp> I want something like this for the stm32wl https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/nordic/power/w/opp/2/online-power-profiler-for-ble
2020-11-05T15:29:18 < karlp> and I want nordic to let me add peripherals
2020-11-05T15:29:27 < karlp> but they talk about "oh, we do it magically internally, hard to say...."
2020-11-05T15:29:36 < zyp> haha
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2020-11-05T15:35:24 < karlp> so they give you some "scenarios" and them some typicals
2020-11-05T15:37:15 < karlp> anyone know who they bought this from: https://www.nxp.com/products/wireless/bluetooth-low-energy/fully-certified-module-supporting-bluetooth-and-nfc:QN9080SIP
2020-11-05T15:37:34 < karlp> the older parts are all "K"inetis stuff, but this QN is like a differen part altogether
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2020-11-05T15:53:06 < englishman> what's a 3.3/1.8V level shifter, with OE, that comes in 4 and 8 channel, doesn't have to be fast (uart only) but should be small and cheap, like cheaper than sn74axc
2020-11-05T15:53:30 < englishman> txs0108 is small, but $ and really doesnt have to be that fast
2020-11-05T15:55:39 < jpa-> why both 4 and 8 channel?
2020-11-05T15:55:54 < englishman> not sure if i will use 2x8 or 3x4 yet
2020-11-05T15:56:29 < englishman> 8-channel with a pair of OEs would be fine
2020-11-05T15:56:57 < englishman> sn74axc 8 channel has a single OE for all 8 channels, but 4 channel version has two OEs, one for each pair... annoying
2020-11-05T15:57:13 < karlp> how does this work: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/VQ6Sn.png 80uA just for using a different freq crystal?
2020-11-05T15:58:01 < Thorn> englishman maybe something like 74lvc245?
2020-11-05T15:58:05 < englishman> crystal driver switching twice as often?
2020-11-05T15:58:11 < zyp> https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/nxp-usa-inc/74LVC4245APW112/13480990 <- this looks like cheapest on digikey
2020-11-05T15:58:33 < zyp> wait, what, marketplace
2020-11-05T15:58:42 < zyp> when did digikey start a fucking marketplace?
2020-11-05T15:58:49 < englishman> oh no
2020-11-05T15:58:54 < englishman> that fucking sucks
2020-11-05T15:59:43 < karlp> about a month after their new CEO iirc.
2020-11-05T16:00:05 < karlp> englishman: sure, but that's a lot of fucking power.
2020-11-05T16:00:36 < karlp> 200uA to 800uA for using a different multipler on the PGA on the adc as well. nice.
2020-11-05T16:01:57 < karlp> oh huh, you can _only_ have a 16 or 32MHz clock on this.
2020-11-05T16:02:29 < jpa-> the DMA on NRF5x is also weird, it consumes 1mA or something of power even when idle
2020-11-05T16:02:41 < jpa-> so good bye trying to collect samples from ADC with it while sleeping
2020-11-05T16:02:50 < karlp> yarh, adc on nrf52 is like 1.1mA, no further figures, 
2020-11-05T16:03:00 < karlp> yeah, that hasn't been appealing :)
2020-11-05T16:03:10 < karlp> silabs is quite ok with doing that, at least on paper.
2020-11-05T16:04:24 < englishman> i dont think 74lvc245 is a level shifter
2020-11-05T16:04:58 < jpa-> 74lvc8t245 is, though, but they are all around $1
2020-11-05T16:05:36 < englishman> yes, like sn74axc and txs
2020-11-05T16:06:25 < jpa-> for slow stuff you could always go with cheap open drain driver and pull-up resistors
2020-11-05T16:06:44 < englishman> yes, but also looking for small space, ie. not much bigger than the bus width itself
2020-11-05T16:07:12 < jadew> jpa-, the DS1000Z is ~300 eur now too, no?
2020-11-05T16:07:14 < jpa-> and you need both directions? interleaved?
2020-11-05T16:07:33 < englishman> unidirectional, but with OE, as i need to disable (hi-z) just a couple lines
2020-11-05T16:07:52 < jpa-> jadew: yeah, DS1054Z is 340eur and it is the cheapest that fits my needs
2020-11-05T16:08:03 < englishman> don't need any of the txs or even the sn74axc bidirectional features
2020-11-05T16:08:19 < jpa-> englishman: so is it 3.3V to 1.8V or the opposite?
2020-11-05T16:08:27 < englishman> both. one IC for each direction
2020-11-05T16:08:40 < jpa-> ok
2020-11-05T16:08:42 < jadew> jpa-, if it's in the budget, I'd say go for it, even if it's twice the price of the hantek, it's going to be many more times better
2020-11-05T16:09:01 < jpa-> jadew: well, it's a lot cheaper than the hantek i was considering
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2020-11-05T16:09:14 < jpa-> so yeah, i guess riglol it is
2020-11-05T16:10:16 < jadew> got a link for the hantek? I can't believe they're trying to sell it at a higher price
2020-11-05T16:10:27 < Thorn> jpa- btw try looking for ds1054z with shipping from EU on aliexpress. they have listings that ship from russia, with all options enabled
2020-11-05T16:10:47 < jpa-> jadew: https://www.hantek.eu/mso-5054f.html
2020-11-05T16:10:59 < jadew> wow
2020-11-05T16:11:36 < jpa-> Thorn: i checked aliexpress, but i can get pretty much the same price from finland (=> ships faster and warranty is easier)
2020-11-05T16:13:03 < jadew> I'm considering an upgrade to that MSO5000 series
2020-11-05T16:13:27 < jadew> they're not much more expensive than what I paid for my DS1000Z when it came out
2020-11-05T16:13:29 < jpa-> it's so annoying how both hantek and rigol have MSO5xxx
2020-11-05T16:13:34 < qyx> wait, that riglol is 300e?
2020-11-05T16:13:40 < jadew> qyx, yeah
2020-11-05T16:13:43 < englishman> somewhat related to oscilloscopes, i was looking into ce/emc certs for measurement equipment, and scope makers put a little note in their declarations that scopes do not pass immunity with probes connected.
2020-11-05T16:13:51 < qyx> cheaper than my old owon was
2020-11-05T16:14:26 < jadew> englishman, funny
2020-11-05T16:14:31 < englishman> so for our own stuff, all we have to do is declare that the measurement instrument doesn't have any performance metrics when you actually use it. and it passes emc!
2020-11-05T16:14:49 < qyx> All options for free!
2020-11-05T16:14:50 < englishman> \^o^/
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2020-11-05T16:15:42 < qyx> so you can CE your DAQ without any instruments connected and it is okay?
2020-11-05T16:15:59 < englishman> yep!
2020-11-05T16:16:00 < jpa-> englishman: for 3.3V -> 1.8V, you can use SN74LVC244A; it only has one power supply, but accepts inputs up to 5V even at 1.8V supply
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2020-11-05T16:16:14 < englishman> Equipment may not meet the immunity requirements of applicable listed standards when test leads and/or test probes are connected due to coupling of electromagnetic
2020-11-05T16:16:14 < englishman> interference onto those leads/probes.
2020-11-05T16:16:53 < qyx> they don't seem to talk about sensors with digital interfaces though
2020-11-05T16:17:24 < englishman> jpa-: looking at that one, i think it won't work either, when i go from 1.8->3.3 it will be powered by 3.3, and Vih is 2V
2020-11-05T16:17:35 < englishman> same spec there as 74lvc245 
2020-11-05T16:17:47 < jpa-> englishman: yes, that chip only works for the one direction
2020-11-05T16:18:04 < jpa-> you'd need a different one for the other direction
2020-11-05T16:18:23 < englishman> not sure yet if i want to use more than one IC for everything
2020-11-05T16:18:30 < jpa-> hehe :)
2020-11-05T16:18:32 < englishman> the bom is already pretty bloated
2020-11-05T16:18:41 < jpa-> just put the $1 chips
2020-11-05T16:18:45 < englishman> yeah.
2020-11-05T16:19:42 < jpa-> aren't the emc specs for lab equipment more lenient anyway?
2020-11-05T16:20:29 < englishman> not always
2020-11-05T16:20:53 < englishman> scopes are for "lab use" which is 3 V/m same as industrial, ours goes under "industrial" which is 10 V/m
2020-11-05T16:20:58 < englishman> er
2020-11-05T16:21:04 < englishman> scopes are for "lab use" which is 3 V/m same as residential, ours goes under "industrial" which is 10 V/m
2020-11-05T16:21:29 < englishman> when measuring photodiodes, noise level is like
2020-11-05T16:21:32 < englishman> oh let me check
2020-11-05T16:21:47 < englishman> i think its 80nA
2020-11-05T16:22:24 < englishman> no, 5pA
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2020-11-05T16:29:53 < jadew> jpa-, just so we're clear, we're talking about the DS1000Z not the old DS1000E
2020-11-05T16:30:03 < jadew> the old one isn't worth it anymore, and it's at about the same price as the Z
2020-11-05T16:41:04 < BrainDamage> since everyone keeps posting those stupid poll chart maps, here's a more interesting map of the us: https://ruinmyweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/this-map-of-most-popular-fetishes-in-each-state-has-people-doing-some-googling.jpeg
2020-11-05T16:45:23 < jadew> now overlay the election map on top of it :D
2020-11-05T16:48:44 < Steffanx> Does this illustrate italy in a good way BrainDamage? https://www.pornhub.com/insights/pornhub-italy
2020-11-05T16:50:40 < Cracki> neighbor's dog says awoo
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2020-11-05T16:50:59 < BrainDamage> looks quite similar to my impression, so I'd say so
2020-11-05T17:05:23 < apathy> my state is uniforms
2020-11-05T17:05:30 < apathy> probably because we're all minimum wage slaves
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2020-11-05T17:34:49 < jpa-> jadew: well, i'm talking about DS1054Z
2020-11-05T17:35:09 < mawk> "In regards to the amount of time that the average Italian user spends on Pornhub, the 8 minute and 19 second session is rather rapido when compared to the international 9:16 average length."
2020-11-05T17:35:12 < mawk> are you precoce BrainDamage ?
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2020-11-05T17:53:28 < BrainDamage> I don't use pornhub nor do I time myself
2020-11-05T17:53:53 < BrainDamage> so timing-wise, I can't tell
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2020-11-05T18:28:36 < englishman> https://dkplus.digikey.com/
2020-11-05T18:28:42 < englishman> 25% commish on marketplace sales
2020-11-05T18:31:05 < Steffanx> digikey an apple company?
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2020-11-05T18:47:45 < mawk> what
2020-11-05T18:51:06 < englishman> indeed
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2020-11-05T19:17:21 < leibniz[m]> Segger's Embedded Studio is very good right?
2020-11-05T19:18:36 < mawk> I wouldn't use the epithet "very" for such piece of software
2020-11-05T19:18:39 < mawk> but maybe it's good yes
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2020-11-05T19:54:46 < karlp> only 5% on seeed: http://support.seeedstudio.com/knowledgebase/articles/1950913-sell-on-seeed-market-place (not... the same, but..)
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2020-11-05T20:34:41 < apathy> don't worry i'll be back to remind you all that poor people exist
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2020-11-05T20:48:31 < jadew> englishman, no problem, you just increase the price by 25%
2020-11-05T20:48:41 < jadew> that's what I do with ebay, price + 15%
2020-11-05T20:50:15 < jadew> where are the products listed tho?
2020-11-05T20:50:17 < Steffanx> And then you no longer sell shit because expensive.
2020-11-05T20:50:20 < jadew> on the main shop?
2020-11-05T20:50:32 < jadew> Steffanx, at the very least they find out about the product
2020-11-05T20:50:52 < jadew> and if the price is too high, they can look you up on other channels
2020-11-05T20:51:07 < jadew> people do prefer to buy through ebay sometimes tho
2020-11-05T20:51:47 < jadew> depends on the base price of the product, if it's too high they'll risk and buy directly from me
2020-11-05T20:51:58 < jadew> for lower cost ones they buy though ebay
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2020-11-05T21:26:28 < Cracki> fucking hell! star trek discard now talks about having the crew *vote* and likens it to "a small prayer"
2020-11-05T21:31:53 < kakion> is star trek disney?
2020-11-05T21:45:31 < Cracki> disney owns star wars, and the dude who is responsible for star trek discard is a huge star wars fan and tries to turn it into star wars
2020-11-05T21:46:12 < Cracki> also disney has purged all the idiots that murdered star wars and I heard rumors that they want to declare the recent movies non-canon and try again
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2020-11-05T22:02:50 < Steffanx> This star trek discovery was fun, but now its a bit over the top imho
2020-11-05T22:03:17 < Steffanx> Not sure if i going to watch the current season
2020-11-05T22:03:26 < Steffanx> *im
2020-11-05T22:04:14 < Cracki> at least the ship finally becomes sentient
2020-11-05T22:04:42 < Cracki> machine intelligence/sentience won't just magically act human
2020-11-05T22:04:44 < Steffanx> Yeah, but this traveling in this magic suit.. meh.
2020-11-05T22:05:06 < Cracki> oh the ship now does a woop woo woop woop foomp
2020-11-05T22:05:13 < Cracki> not sure if it has always done that
2020-11-05T22:05:47 < Cracki> the pizza cutter spins. the whole ship spins along its length. AND it does a translation through space in an arbitrary direction
2020-11-05T22:06:36 < Cracki> and then it pops out of existence because it can't just do that while standing still and only spinning along two axes
2020-11-05T22:06:44 < Cracki> it's a fucking child's toy
2020-11-05T22:06:48 < Cracki> woop woop woop
2020-11-05T22:07:43 < Steffanx> haha, its wonderful uh
2020-11-05T22:08:01 < BrainDamage> https://thegadgetflow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Star-Trek-Enterprise-Pizza-Cutter-4.jpg
2020-11-05T22:08:02 < Cracki> in the first two seasons it was just a foomp
2020-11-05T22:08:21 < Cracki> now they do the woop woop too. my disgust is immeasurable
2020-11-05T22:08:49 < Steffanx> Hehe awesome, BrainDamage
2020-11-05T22:09:54 < Cracki> https://youtu.be/E8dPQcXXw4M?t=44
2020-11-05T22:10:33 < Cracki> the ones responsible viscerally hate star trek
2020-11-05T22:11:05 < Cracki> one of them even said so, he never watched any of it, didn't care, not even now. he's also responsible for the 2009 movie
2020-11-05T22:11:35 < Cracki> the script was posted somewhere. so much fucking profanity it'd make a pubescent fortnite player blush
2020-11-05T22:12:57 < kakion> why is star wars hugefan responsible for production of star trek?
2020-11-05T22:13:15 < kakion> those 2 do not mix
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2020-11-05T22:15:27 < Cracki> I agree and I have no idea
2020-11-05T22:15:42 < Cracki> probably the nephew of some important fat cat
2020-11-05T22:16:07 < Cracki> whatever is the usual
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2020-11-05T22:18:35 < apathy> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmE-GdoXIAAp6LE?format=jpg&name=orig
2020-11-05T22:18:55 < Cracki> :D
2020-11-05T22:19:22 < aandrew> lol
2020-11-05T22:19:24 < Cracki> yeah everyone who calls that curve "pure coincidence" is a huge fucking retard or an evil genocidal maniac
2020-11-05T22:20:02 < Cracki> it takes common sense to spot an anomaly. it takes "education" to excuse it.
2020-11-05T22:20:03 < aandrew> lol ok
2020-11-05T22:20:05 < aandrew> recount it then
2020-11-05T22:20:13 < aandrew> but you don't call it fraud just because you feel like it
2020-11-05T22:20:16 < Cracki> recount the manufactured ballots sure
2020-11-05T22:20:36 < Cracki> nothing but holding another election can fix this now
2020-11-05T22:20:44 < Cracki> shit's too fucked up in multiple states
2020-11-05T22:22:33 < Cracki> the worst you can say about redoing the election is that it's effort, maybe a "waste of time" (it wouldn't be), or "let's repeat the vote until we like the result", which would be too early to say for the first rerun
2020-11-05T22:22:36 < Steffanx> Wasnt that weird jump "fixed"? "Oops we added 1 to many zeros" or was that something else?
2020-11-05T22:22:43 < Steffanx> too many*
2020-11-05T22:22:51 < Cracki> for some anomaly a typo was claimed
2020-11-05T22:23:06 < Cracki> and no, last I checked at least one of these jumps still exists
2020-11-05T22:23:20 < apathy> Cracki: "but you don't call it fraud just because you feel like it" <-- you see this? they've already received the download
2020-11-05T22:23:37 < apathy> yesterday I was wondering what label was going to be assigned
2020-11-05T22:24:00 < Cracki> there's video of vote counters being at a loss for words when they got 130k ballots dumped on them, EVERY SINGLE ONE for biden, zero for anyone else
2020-11-05T22:24:05 < Cracki> that does not just happen
2020-11-05T22:24:08 < apathy> Democracy Denier. Election Truther. I think legacy media has programmed "Election Skeptic" for now.
2020-11-05T22:24:27 < Cracki> besides, on election night every news outlet said they'd count the mail-ins first, and NOW they claim they were counting them last?
2020-11-05T22:24:31 < apathy> that may change if they need to more strongly associate anyone questioning the validity of the ballots to the antivax crowd
2020-11-05T22:24:40 < aandrew> lol
2020-11-05T22:24:41 < aandrew> From the guy who brought you “The reason there are so many COVID cases is because we are doing so many tests” comes the new hit single “I’m only losing because they are counting all the votes against me!”
2020-11-05T22:24:52 < Cracki> if they lie and cheat in this matter, just imagine what else we're being lied to about
2020-11-05T22:25:47 < aandrew> I love the whole "DON'T MAIL IN YOUR BALLOT, VOTE IN PERSON!" "WHY ARE ALL THE MAIL IN BALLOTS FOR BIDEN?"
2020-11-05T22:25:51 < aandrew> fucking delusional 
2020-11-05T22:26:40 < apathy> i sure hope the left will chill the f out once orange man is gone
2020-11-05T22:26:41 < Cracki> you don't get that EVERY SINGLE ONE of 130k ballots being biden is a statistical impossibility
2020-11-05T22:26:46 < apathy> crossing my fingers
2020-11-05T22:26:50 < aandrew> Cracki: oh I get that
2020-11-05T22:26:51 < Cracki> ALL the other mail-in batches had mixes
2020-11-05T22:26:59 < aandrew> and I agree, getting 130k in a block is already suspicious enough
2020-11-05T22:27:17 < Cracki> I'm sorry but you're excusing election fraud and it's hilarious
2020-11-05T22:27:24 < aandrew> I'm not excusing anything
2020-11-05T22:27:28 < Cracki> nah
2020-11-05T22:27:38 < apathy> maybe the whole purpose of this is to get both sides to agree that the system is so corrupt that we need the WEF's great reset to fix everything. i.e. accept NWO
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2020-11-05T22:27:48 < aandrew> I just think, again, that it's hilarious that trump fucked with USPS months before the election, whines about not mailing in
2020-11-05T22:27:54 < aandrew> then suddenly there's "voter fraud"
2020-11-05T22:27:55 < aandrew> whatever
2020-11-05T22:28:32 < aandrew> not a single person outside of Trump's circle has stated there is any massive voter fraud going on, from any party, yet it's suddenly so massive and pervasive
2020-11-05T22:28:36 < aandrew> what the fuck ever
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2020-11-05T22:28:43 < Cracki> no, murica needs the orderly dissolution of the united states into its component parts
2020-11-05T22:28:58 < Cracki> "the nation" is too fractured to ever be one again
2020-11-05T22:29:15 < apathy> yes. the coastal states can exit the uninion so we can bomb them
2020-11-05T22:29:30 < apathy> haha this kb so weird
2020-11-05T22:30:17 < aandrew> Vonnegut wrote about this in his fiction
2020-11-05T22:30:26 < aandrew> how the US has been balkanized so it's no longer a threat to the world
2020-11-05T22:30:33 < Cracki> did I mention there's video of ballot counters and other people inside counting places *witnessing* that gop observers were kicked out, but nobody else?
2020-11-05T22:31:00 < aandrew> Cracki: highly suspect, got some links from neutral sites?
2020-11-05T22:31:29 < apathy> Cracki: this is the part where you provide neutral sites that aandrew has been programmed to believe are alt-right hate speech sites. go on now. paste the links. get it over with.
2020-11-05T22:31:37 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2020-11-05T22:31:46 < Cracki> just a second, you'll get *a* link
2020-11-05T22:32:08 < Cracki> https://streamable.com/xgsnl3
2020-11-05T22:32:19 < apathy> streamable is a white nationalist militia streaming service
2020-11-05T22:32:38 < Cracki> nevermind then
2020-11-05T22:32:48 < Cracki> I am so fucking close to fedposting
2020-11-05T22:32:55 < aandrew> https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T048HU0RV-F01DPUTU9TR/accda93.png
2020-11-05T22:33:45 < Cracki> who are kwtechs
2020-11-05T22:33:56 < Steffanx> Cannot see that mr aandrew
2020-11-05T22:34:03 < aandrew> oh
2020-11-05T22:34:07 < aandrew> moment let me fix that
2020-11-05T22:34:11 < Cracki> ontario people ic
2020-11-05T22:34:32 < Cracki> wat, kitchener used to be called berlin?
2020-11-05T22:34:34 < Cracki> kek
2020-11-05T22:34:43 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/k5SPaIx
2020-11-05T22:34:47 < aandrew> yep it was
2020-11-05T22:34:54 < Cracki> it's 1916 and let's hate our own heritage because there's a war on another continent
2020-11-05T22:34:57 < aandrew> then it was renamed for some general who drowned in the river I think
2020-11-05T22:35:02 < aandrew> no not quite
2020-11-05T22:35:04 < Cracki> was he drunk
2020-11-05T22:35:07 < aandrew> the entire world hated the germans
2020-11-05T22:35:27 < aandrew> and having your city named that was like naming a baby Hitler
2020-11-05T22:35:49 < Cracki> I htink that's common in some eastern countries
2020-11-05T22:35:58 < Cracki> or south america too?
2020-11-05T22:36:16 < Cracki> one of those funny countries comedians make fun of because it's not powerful enough
2020-11-05T22:41:43 < apathy> if i have a son, he's going to be named Adolf
2020-11-05T22:41:52 < apathy> if i have a daughter, she will be named Kamala
2020-11-05T22:42:19 < apathy> if i have a gender-non-binary, Xer will be named Laurenceb
2020-11-05T22:42:40 < aandrew> lol
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2020-11-05T23:18:28 < aandrew> Cracki: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/technology/biden-michigan-votes.html
2020-11-05T23:18:29 < aandrew> next?
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2020-11-05T23:19:06 < aandrew> never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity
2020-11-05T23:19:16 < aandrew> occam's razor and all that
2020-11-05T23:19:18 < Cracki> nytimes lol not a source of credible news
2020-11-05T23:19:21 < aandrew> but whatever helps your dialogue
2020-11-05T23:19:32 < aandrew> there are other sites, that was just linked in a conservative subreddit
2020-11-05T23:19:52 < Cracki> occams razor isn't an excuse to come up with excuses because the obvious explanation must not be true
2020-11-05T23:20:09 < Cracki> also Thanks for reading The Times. Create your free account or log in to continue reading. 
2020-11-05T23:20:19 < aandrew> "obvious", as in "my guy isn't winning, so it's gotta be fraud" ?
2020-11-05T23:20:30 < Cracki> they just saved me a minute of my life by denying my eyes
2020-11-05T23:20:43 < Cracki> sure if you need to tell yourself that
2020-11-05T23:21:05 < Cracki> if you bothered to listen, THAT isn't what anyone claims
2020-11-05T23:21:21 < Cracki> disingenious and insulting to portray your opponent like that
2020-11-05T23:21:35 < Cracki> and murican lefties wonder why they're alienating normal folks
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2020-11-05T23:23:38 < Cracki> I know you're a leaf. imagine canada and murica being the same country. wouldn't that piss a lot of people off!
2020-11-05T23:24:32 < aandrew> I'm definitely no lefty, in fact I hate both parties more or less equally. Both are way too fucking polarized to be any real use to the people
2020-11-05T23:24:47 < Cracki> murica right now is like yugoslavia. people forced together that simply are too different.
2020-11-05T23:24:52 < jadew> yeah, but that's what gets you votes
2020-11-05T23:26:16 < Cracki> this hot-cold-hot-cold of being condescending and insulting one moment, and then all level headed and centrist the next moment, it will stop working
2020-11-05T23:27:04 < Cracki> "both sides" my ass
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2020-11-06T00:23:57 < Thorn> case 0x00: // GetStatus
2020-11-06T00:23:58 < Thorn> case 0x01: // CleartFeature
2020-11-06T00:24:10 < Thorn> the sheer quality of the nRF SDK
2020-11-06T00:24:35 < mawk> lol
2020-11-06T00:28:42 < qyx> whats wrong, they are commenting code at a rate of 1 line of comment for every 1 line of code
2020-11-06T00:29:23 < kakion> my code has 150% comment rate
2020-11-06T00:29:38 < kakion> more characters are used for comments than the code itself
2020-11-06T00:31:50 < Thorn> if (!nrf_drv_usbd_errata_154())
2020-11-06T00:32:54 < mawk> the typo also qyx 
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2020-11-06T00:44:27 < apathy> if (!trump_win()) { boogaloo->deploy(); threepercenters->deploy(); proudboys->standby(); }
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2020-11-06T01:07:07 < Thorn> live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wufXF5YKR1M
2020-11-06T01:16:23 < Thorn> apathy you should check those pointers for nulls first
2020-11-06T01:16:29 < apathy> hey look everybody! Tesla is launching more Wide Area Persistent Surveillance and Starlink satellites for the global totalitarian control grid!
2020-11-06T01:19:08 < qyx> fuking FDCAN timestamping
2020-11-06T01:19:19 < qyx> it support precise timestamps, they sa
2020-11-06T01:19:20 < qyx> y
2020-11-06T01:19:27 < qyx> using a 16bit timer, they say
2020-11-06T01:19:43 < qyx> the timer is clocked with a clock up to 16*bit rate
2020-11-06T01:19:59 < qyx> the timer runs faster during the CAN-FD data phase, they say
2020-11-06T01:20:17 < qyx> what the fuck is such timestamping counter for
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2020-11-06T01:20:44 < apathy> Hi. I'm Tanya Hadwig, $9/hr remote worker. I'm standing in front of a green screen from my 1 bedroom apartment in the ghetto to talk to you about random rocket parts and how they work, according to this script.
2020-11-06T01:21:45 < qyx> the timer counts nearly 10000 within a single frame, wraps around 65536
2020-11-06T01:22:07 < qyx> there is no interconnection to gate a slave timer
2020-11-06T01:22:15 < qyx> neither to precisely timestamp an interrupt
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2020-11-06T01:30:33 < karlp> is it just me, or is cracki getting more unhinged?
2020-11-06T01:34:17 < Thorn> how do I connect i/q signals to a non-iq mixer such as ADL5801?
2020-11-06T01:34:36 < Thorn> i/q mixers for low GHz seem to be very rare
2020-11-06T01:35:06 < Thorn> I would need a phase shifter or something like that?
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2020-11-06T02:02:26 < Thorn> apparently the term I've been looking for is "quadrature modulator", not mixer
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2020-11-06T02:31:34 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog_galvanoscope
2020-11-06T02:34:01 < Thorn> so is LTC5598 / LTC5584 the answer
2020-11-06T02:34:23 < Thorn> that I've been looking for for months
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2020-11-06T03:04:56 < jadew> seems to be some kind of Heroes
2020-11-06T03:05:04 < jadew> wrong channel
2020-11-06T03:06:01 < jadew> but since I'm here, that frog leg galvanoscope sounds real
2020-11-06T03:06:54 < jadew> when I was a kid, we disected frogs and in biology class and testing their reflexes long after they were dead was part of the thing
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2020-11-06T03:20:19 < aandrew> ah, I was trying to join #stm32 not ##
2020-11-06T03:20:27 < jadew> heh
2020-11-06T03:20:49 < aandrew> my colocated server appears down so I'm using irccloud
2020-11-06T03:20:53 < aandrew> not a bad interface actually
2020-11-06T03:21:37 < jadew> I'm off to bed, have to get back on my sleep schedule
2020-11-06T03:21:39 < jadew> o/
2020-11-06T03:21:42 < jadew> night
2020-11-06T03:22:03 < aandrew> night
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2020-11-06T10:41:31 < Thorn> how do I get an invite to #stm32?
2020-11-06T10:42:54 < jpa-> you need to get extra friendly with Steffanx 
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2020-11-06T11:05:03 < Steffanx> lol, Thorn. #stm32 is like non-existent. It should forward to this channel, but that stops working after the channel is idle for a while
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2020-11-06T11:37:23 < karlp> aandrew: welcome back :)
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2020-11-06T14:34:40 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/dANV0mi.jpeg
2020-11-06T14:35:34 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/u6hC2sL.jpg
2020-11-06T14:46:09 < c10ud> lol
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2020-11-06T15:24:42 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIImmpGiWcY
2020-11-06T15:26:20 < jadew> hard to tell for if it's real or not
2020-11-06T15:26:58 < jadew> but I'd love to hear from an american who voted and knows what those ballots look like
2020-11-06T15:27:05 < jadew> also, could that be part of the counting process?
2020-11-06T15:28:33 < jadew> trump made a statement yesterday in which he claimed that his people were not allowed to be present at the counting process
2020-11-06T15:29:38 < jadew> this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvu1P5VFVsQ
2020-11-06T15:29:58 < jadew> starts at ~7:30
2020-11-06T15:30:08 < jadew> ~8
2020-11-06T15:45:30 < Steffanx> Aren't  we all kinda done with this shit by now jadew?
2020-11-06T15:47:07 < jadew> Steffanx, don't know
2020-11-06T15:47:57 < jadew> trump seems to suggest that he won't accept the results of the election
2020-11-06T15:48:13 < jadew> I'm curious to see what happens if he doesn't
2020-11-06T15:48:58 < Steffanx> Then we will have this shit for the coming weeks/months \o/
2020-11-06T15:51:23 < karlp> just like in 2000.
2020-11-06T15:51:46 < karlp> I don't know why anyone thought this ws going to be just "ok, election's done, fine"
2020-11-06T15:52:34 < emeb> there is no single type of ballot in the US - every state / county processes them in their own way.
2020-11-06T15:53:08 < emeb> so no telling if those ballots are real unless you know exactly where this was shot
2020-11-06T15:53:45 < karlp> and anywhere where there's a veryu small difference will almost definitely be forced into recounting.
2020-11-06T15:54:06 < emeb> yes, typically the threshold is < 1% difference. 
2020-11-06T15:54:24 < emeb> if more than that then usually a recount is not legally allowed
2020-11-06T15:54:35 < karlp> so yeah, no way at all this is jsut "finished, moving on" :)
2020-11-06T15:55:32 < Steffanx> But we can move on..
2020-11-06T15:56:14 < Steffanx> its not that we can change the outcome in anyway, especially since we're either european or dont really give a shit or both.
2020-11-06T15:56:23 < emeb> "Just say No" 
2020-11-06T15:56:29 < jadew> it's a captivating show mr. Steffanx
2020-11-06T15:56:43 < emeb> ##stm32 is a safe space.
2020-11-06T15:59:04 < Steffanx> Das war einmal.
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2020-11-06T19:25:46 < mawk> no it's not emeb 
2020-11-06T19:29:23 < Cracki> it actually is, for men. no women or other mutants around.
2020-11-06T19:29:44 < Cracki> the last I went to a "queer safe space", they were just abolishing safespaces for men.
2020-11-06T19:29:48 < Cracki> because fuck men that's why
2020-11-06T19:31:34 < Cracki> equality is an euphemism for worshipping entropy and hating all the structures and civilization we've achieved
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2020-11-06T20:44:21 < apathy> Cracki: we have to bring it all down so we can build the slave race
2020-11-06T20:46:12 < Cracki> some drug dealer looking dude once crossed my way and asked "hey what's the way to THA PARTAY!?"
2020-11-06T20:46:56 < Cracki> he clearly had no fucking clue where the *multiple* student parties were. he thought there was just one... and he could push his shit there
2020-11-06T20:51:12 < englishman> haha just read the channel rules
2020-11-06T20:51:48 < englishman> She exclaimed, "That dog weighs 10 kg!"
2020-11-06T20:51:51 < englishman> uhhh
2020-11-06T20:52:13 < englishman> this is incorrect
2020-11-06T20:52:31 < englishman> what kind of shitty fly by night org is nist these days
2020-11-06T20:52:34 < apathy> it's supposed to be Xhe exclaimed
2020-11-06T20:58:53 < Cracki> fatshaming the dog now
2020-11-06T21:00:27 < apathy> "listen to the scientists!", said the mob of angry dogmatic tribalist marxist ideologues
2020-11-06T21:00:58 < apathy> 2 + 2 = 4? HOW DARE YOU! RACIST
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2020-11-06T21:01:41 < BrainDamage> listening to your strawmen is equally trite, at least from my pov
2020-11-06T21:03:34  * apathy grabs more straw and furiously builds another
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2020-11-06T21:06:09 < Cracki> tonight's challenge: would you hug the person that runs this account? https://twitter.com/YEASTY_COMMIE
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2020-11-06T21:06:42 < Cracki> (I'm sure they don't have any bread to eat...)
2020-11-06T21:15:06 < Ultrasauce> yeah i'm just gonna
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2020-11-06T21:19:50 < antto> o_O
2020-11-06T21:20:03 < antto> wut's going on here?
2020-11-06T21:21:35 < effractur> Ultrasauce: yea you forgot the kick part or was the ban only intentional
2020-11-06T21:22:07 < antto> a ban is enough to make you not able to talk on the channel
2020-11-06T21:22:18 < antto> and if you leave, you can't join
2020-11-06T21:22:26 < effractur> aah
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2020-11-06T21:37:10 < englishman> it should read, "That dog has a mass of 10kg!"
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2020-11-06T21:51:42 < Ecco> Hello :)
2020-11-06T21:52:55 < Ecco> I'm wondering about something weird
2020-11-06T21:53:12 < Ecco> So, apparently Cortex M7 can either have 8 or 16 MPU zones
2020-11-06T21:53:42 < Ecco> but since an MPU fault can be caught by a handler
2020-11-06T21:53:48 < Ecco> what's the point of so many zones?
2020-11-06T21:54:21 < zyp> elaborate please
2020-11-06T21:56:21 < Ecco> I was under the impression that the point of supporting many zones was to allow for more complex memory protection
2020-11-06T21:56:36 < zyp> yeah?
2020-11-06T21:56:44 < Ecco> but technically, what if you had just one zone that said "no to any access",and then do something smart in the fault handler?
2020-11-06T21:57:42 < zyp> I have a hard time imagining how you can do that in an actually useful way
2020-11-06T21:58:01 < zyp> you'd have to map up the area and let the process retry
2020-11-06T21:58:17 < zyp> and if you're low on zones, you'd have to unmap somewhere else
2020-11-06T21:58:41 < zyp> and if the application happens to be shoveling data between those two areas, you just introduced a ton of overhead
2020-11-06T21:58:42 < Ecco> well, isn't that precisely what a kernel usually does on an MMU-based processor anyway?
2020-11-06T21:59:09 < zyp> that's how swap works, yes
2020-11-06T22:00:17 < Ecco> ok, I guess I need to give an example
2020-11-06T22:00:36 < Ecco> let's imagine I want to setup a memory protection scheme where unpriviledged code can only read odd addresses
2020-11-06T22:00:56 < Ecco> technically I'd need 2 billion MPU entries, right?
2020-11-06T22:01:35 < zyp> yes, but let's be real, that has no real world usecase
2020-11-06T22:01:35 < Ecco> but what I I simply prevent every read access, and in the handler, write some code that will, on a case by case basis, allow a specific access
2020-11-06T22:01:40 < Ecco> oh yeah, totally
2020-11-06T22:01:46 < Ecco> it's absolutely useless
2020-11-06T22:02:00 < Ecco> I'm just wondering why 8 areas would be "less cool" than 16
2020-11-06T22:02:04 < zyp> and yes, you could do that, at a major overhead
2020-11-06T22:02:10 < Ecco> since I feel like 1 would do the job
2020-11-06T22:02:38 < Ecco> ok, I get it! But then what's the overhead?
2020-11-06T22:02:54 < Ecco> I assume the time to go into the handler and process the relevant code?
2020-11-06T22:03:24 < Ecco> I was under the impression that this was some rather "dumb" code, but if it's got to run for every single memory acces, yeah, that'd be kind of a big problem indeed
2020-11-06T22:03:35 < zyp> probably somewhere on the order of 100 cycles per fault
2020-11-06T22:04:05 < zyp> including interrupt entry/exit and some simple logic
2020-11-06T22:05:38 < zyp> I haven't used the MPU myself, but I figure you generally just want to reconfigure the zones when you switch tasks
2020-11-06T22:06:00 < Ecco> yeah, it makes sense
2020-11-06T22:06:01 < zyp> and I'm not sure if you can optimize stuff by letting zones stay configured but disabled?
2020-11-06T22:06:23 < zyp> if so, having more zones than a single task would use could make context switches faster
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2020-11-06T22:15:22 < jadew> confirmed images from Romania: https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/actualitate/evenimente/imagini-cutremuratoare-cu-coada-de-dricuri-de-la-morga-din-craiova-managerul-confirma-ca-au-fost-mai-multe-decese-din-cauza-covid-1397530
2020-11-06T22:16:16 < jadew> people are panic buying again
2020-11-06T22:31:05 < aandrew> karlp: danke. :-)
2020-11-06T22:32:49 < Steffanx> You can join #stm32 again now aandrew ;)
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2020-11-06T23:14:05 < kakium69> time to wreck the chats
2020-11-06T23:14:28 < kakium69> good evenings
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2020-11-06T23:17:03 < kakium69> Steffanx
2020-11-06T23:27:58 < Steffanx> kakium69: 
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2020-11-06T23:33:10 < spacebyte> hi all. I'm using chibios on a F767zi to read/write, through a uart, to a device. The thing is that, as part of its functioning, the device changes baud rate after some time, and I have know way to know when. I know about auto baud but I'm a bit lost on how to do it
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2020-11-07T00:30:18 < upgrdman> windows explorer is such shit at copying files to android devices. like, silent failure everywhere. skips certain files without displaying a warning, and no warning if the transfer fails.
2020-11-07T00:30:31 < upgrdman> is there something better to use for windows?
2020-11-07T00:31:02 < upgrdman> i found out that explorer.exe will not copy files starting with a period to my phone. but the phone's filesystem doesn
2020-11-07T00:31:14 < upgrdman> i found out that explorer.exe will not copy files starting with a period to my phone. but the phone's filesystem doesn't mind... i can copy via FTP to the phone and it's all good.
2020-11-07T00:32:34 < Streaker> the ftp/remote management option is pretty transparent. works like normal windows explorer. you don't want to use that?
2020-11-07T00:35:00 < upgrdman> Streaker, cause with FTP i can only get ~400Mbps. with USB-C i can get >1Gbps
2020-11-07T00:35:14 < Streaker> there's a lot of wierdness when using windows explorer over the usb mass storage. I've seen files that were deleted on Android but visible in Windows explorer. I think the problem might be in Android, not windows explorer.
2020-11-07T00:35:18 < upgrdman> and 400Mbps is if my phone has line-of-sight with my AP
2020-11-07T00:35:22 < qyx> so ftp over usb-c?
2020-11-07T00:35:31 < upgrdman> htf do you do that qyx
2020-11-07T00:36:11 < qyx> cdc over usb, linux cdc_ether usb gadget
2020-11-07T00:36:23 < qyx> it creates a virtual ethernet even on android
2020-11-07T00:36:27 < qyx> at least on some
2020-11-07T00:37:12 < upgrdman> qyx, htf does linux faggotry help me in WINDOWS
2020-11-07T00:37:15 < upgrdman> :)
2020-11-07T00:37:46 < qyx> oh, such os, nvm then
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2020-11-07T01:17:02 < jadew> oh... he left
2020-11-07T01:17:20 < jadew> you can use adb for fast transfers
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2020-11-07T01:25:57 < qyx> that too
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2020-11-07T02:38:37 < jadew> therapeutic massage, for neck, shoulders, back and legs: https://www.emag.ro/aparat-de-masaj-terapeutic-cu-vibratii-paloqueth-pentru-gat-umeri-spate-picioare-let215/pd/DD3XVBMBM/
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2020-11-07T17:51:09 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/EblejZ5.mp4
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2020-11-07T18:06:08 < kakium69> ah
2020-11-07T18:06:17 < kakium69> interesting variation
2020-11-07T18:06:27 < kakium69> but the original is the bestest
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2020-11-07T18:30:49 < BrainDamage> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000411161546.html
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2020-11-07T18:42:27 < jpa-> jadew: got the DS1054Z, seems pretty good
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2020-11-07T18:43:52 < jpa-> the 8-bit vertical resolution is a bit annoyingly visible, but that's the same for all low-end scopes anyway
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2020-11-07T19:28:24 < jadew> jpa-, neat, apply the hacks now
2020-11-07T19:35:17 < sync> the fuck is that shit BrainDamage 
2020-11-07T19:36:21 < jadew> the new DMM radio
2020-11-07T19:36:33 < jadew> with alarm clock
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2020-11-07T19:38:19 < jadew> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/He2808a14232c4ea59aa08a6cd8795f63v.jpg
2020-11-07T19:39:15 < jadew> I was kidding about the alarm clock, but then I scrolled down: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/H88b55f8ec22d4f2f859d97c5adc8fc43h.jpg
2020-11-07T19:39:16 < jadew> LOL
2020-11-07T19:39:24 < BrainDamage> and bluetooth
2020-11-07T19:39:35 < jadew> nice find
2020-11-07T19:42:01 < jadew> has 13 reviews
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2020-11-07T19:42:45 < jadew> can you imagine wondering why your measurement is so off, only to realize it's displaying the time?
2020-11-07T19:51:14 < Thorn> blinking 12:00
2020-11-07T19:59:20 < jpa-> jadew: you mean license hacks? it ships with all options enabled nowadays
2020-11-07T19:59:38 < jadew> jpa-, ah, neat
2020-11-07T20:00:16 < jpa-> (except the bandwidth stuff, but i'm not sure what that is supposed to affect after all and how well it would work)
2020-11-07T20:00:58 < jadew> it lowers the minimum time/division when zooming in
2020-11-07T20:01:18 < jadew> and I think there's also a programmable filter in the signal path, which gets turned off
2020-11-07T20:01:38 < jadew> what's the minimum s/div you can get?
2020-11-07T20:01:47 < jadew> on mine it's 5ns
2020-11-07T20:02:02 < jpa-> 5 ns
2020-11-07T20:02:06 < jadew> hmm
2020-11-07T20:02:28 < Steffanx> No fm radio?
2020-11-07T20:02:35 < Steffanx> Dab+?
2020-11-07T20:03:32 < jadew> Steffanx, looks like you can only do bluetooth streaming
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2020-11-07T20:22:11 < qyx> fm radio on a scope?
2020-11-07T20:26:14 < jpa-> https://de.aliexpress.com/item/4000411161546.html   no, on a red multimeter
2020-11-07T20:27:53 < qyx> lol
2020-11-07T20:49:17 < qyx> https://www.rouming.cz/archived/guide_to_fuse_replacement.jpg
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2020-11-07T21:09:29 < PaulFertser> That DMM alarm clock double bluetooth speakers is a little family helper! Shows room temperature too! What a fine device.
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2020-11-07T21:43:18 < Thorn> why do you need RF power meters like Anritsu  ML2488B, ML2437A, Agilent E4418B etc., what do they do that spectrum analyzers can't and why are so expensive (comparable to spectrum analyzers)?
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2020-11-07T21:52:38 < jpa-> Thorn: AFAIK power meters are wide band, which is useful if one wants to measure total broadcast power accurately; but it's a kind of niche use, and I think they are only that expensive because they'd be bought for certification lab use & have to have calibration and stability suitable for that
2020-11-07T21:53:01 < jpa-> one could probably DIY a decent RF power meter pretty cheaply
2020-11-07T21:57:12 < Thorn> makes sense thanks
2020-11-07T21:57:16 < mawk> my two grandparents caught quoronat
2020-11-07T21:57:25 < mawk> they're like 90
2020-11-07T21:57:31 < mawk> but they're still alive apparently
2020-11-07T21:59:03 < Thorn> give them a few days
2020-11-07T21:59:07 < mawk> lol
2020-11-07T21:59:37 < Thorn> (sorry)
2020-11-07T22:00:18 < qyx> negative here, I have another 5G chip in my nasopharynx
2020-11-07T22:00:30 < mawk> lol
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2020-11-07T23:29:32 < jadew> Thorn, power measurements are not easy
2020-11-07T23:29:56 < jadew> with power meters, the power sensor is the expensive bit
2020-11-07T23:30:26 < jadew> and they're useful because they can give you much much better accuracy
2020-11-07T23:30:51 < jadew> with a spectrum analyzer you'll have like +- 1 or even 2 dB accuracy
2020-11-07T23:31:50 < jadew> a power meter can give you tenths of dB of accuracy
2020-11-07T23:33:01 < jadew> if you're going to do any sort of characterization, you'll need that sort of accuracy
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2020-11-07T23:37:57 < jadew> hmm, price of some old test equipment really sky rocketed
2020-11-07T23:38:07 < jadew> wonder what happened
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2020-11-08T00:36:00 < qyx> they are using it for covid32 testing
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2020-11-08T00:56:44 < jadew> qyx, I was expecting prices to go down because of covid
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2020-11-08T00:57:47 < kakium69> a toxic element has been introduced to the chats
2020-11-08T00:58:00 < kakium69> how is night crew?
2020-11-08T00:58:22 < jadew> work and a movie for me
2020-11-08T00:58:48 < qyx> work and silence here
2020-11-08T00:59:10 < qyx> routing an ublox
2020-11-08T01:06:19 < Steffanx> Are you this element, kakium69 ?
2020-11-08T01:07:08 < kakium69> it's ambiguous
2020-11-08T01:12:52 < jadew> isn't self 69, more like a Q?
2020-11-08T01:13:11 < jadew> or a 6
2020-11-08T01:18:32 < Steffanx> Oh i didnt even read your nick kakium69 
2020-11-08T01:18:49 < Steffanx> Everything after kaki i dont even read anymore 
2020-11-08T01:25:58 < qyx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZKoIZHKRUM
2020-11-08T01:26:03 < qyx> offtopic, as usual
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2020-11-08T01:38:10 < Steffanx> Lol qyx. Run grandma run
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2020-11-08T02:28:57 < zyp> compressor arrived: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/NOYzN.jpg
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2020-11-08T02:39:28 < Steffanx> Oh lol zyp. You finally decided to get the heavy tools yourself?
2020-11-08T02:40:22 < zyp> been on the lookout for suitable secondhand compressors and a good deal popped up
2020-11-08T02:41:34 < zyp> I've got more rocks to remove, so I figure I'd need to rent the equipment for at least another couple of days
2020-11-08T02:42:24 < zyp> and drilling for hours to get enough done before I have to return it is really exhausting
2020-11-08T02:43:12 < Steffanx> Arent your neighbours done with you (or mainly the noise 
2020-11-08T02:43:16 < Steffanx> ) yet?
2020-11-08T02:43:36 < zyp> plus the cost of picking up and returning the equipment, plus diesel to run the compressor and so on
2020-11-08T02:43:42 < zyp> shit adds up
2020-11-08T02:44:42 < zyp> now I've got a decent electric compressor that I can use on and off as it suits me, and once I run out of mountain I can probably sell it for as much as I paid for it, since I'm not gonna put all that many extra hours on it in total
2020-11-08T02:45:06 < zyp> and no, I haven't had any complaints from neighbors
2020-11-08T02:45:32 < zyp> mostly been making noise in daytime when people are at work
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2020-11-08T02:59:01 < jadew> Biden speech live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BInk1AoBHrY
2020-11-08T03:05:09 < jadew> I've seen more people a local band's concert
2020-11-08T03:05:21 < jadew> I guess US presidents don't make real public appearances anymore
2020-11-08T03:05:40 < zyp> I heard there were a pandemic going on
2020-11-08T03:06:06 < zyp> or did that end as soon as the election was over like people were talking about?
2020-11-08T03:06:38 < jadew> well, americans didn't seem to care much about it
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2020-11-08T03:32:36 < Steffanx> Would be interesting to see if the cases go sky high the next wees
2020-11-08T03:32:37 < Steffanx> Ks
2020-11-08T03:32:39 < Steffanx> P
2020-11-08T03:32:54 < Steffanx> Although i recall thats already happening there as well
2020-11-08T03:32:54 < jadew> Steffanx, because of the elections?
2020-11-08T03:33:11 < Steffanx> Yeah and all the huge crowds that came together
2020-11-08T03:33:41 < Steffanx> Ok maybe not huge, but large enough 
2020-11-08T03:33:43 < jadew> probably not enough to be evident, because they had worse catalysts
2020-11-08T03:33:58 < jadew> (like schools)
2020-11-08T03:35:00 < Steffanx> Sure? Now minus 2:57 seems large enough to me
2020-11-08T03:36:13 < Steffanx> But I see its already going up fast there so you wont see those events probably
2020-11-08T03:36:49 < Steffanx> But maybe more tests.. idk
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2020-11-08T03:37:48 < Steffanx> I dont really care either i think ;(
2020-11-08T03:37:54 < jadew> yeah, at a one time event it doesn't have time to spread exponentially (like in schools)
2020-11-08T03:38:02 < jadew> because you only have one infected person, infecting others
2020-11-08T03:38:13 < jadew> then they never meet again
2020-11-08T03:39:15 < jadew> in situations like school or work, you probably end up with aerosol accumulation
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2020-11-08T03:57:09 < jadew> the speech was good
2020-11-08T03:59:23 < jadew> how the hell did they make that projection?
2020-11-08T03:59:30 < jadew> looks awesome
2020-11-08T03:59:54 < jadew> ah, it must be in the foreground somehow
2020-11-08T04:01:02 < jadew> ok, I don't know how it's done
2020-11-08T04:01:09 < jadew> are you guys watching?
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2020-11-08T04:57:29 < laurence_> murica is weird
2020-11-08T04:57:35 < laurence_> yeah that projection was cool
2020-11-08T04:57:41 < laurence_> I think leds of wire mesh
2020-11-08T04:57:54 < laurence_> from euro perspective that was one weird speech
2020-11-08T04:58:07 < laurence_> frankenstien politics
2020-11-08T04:58:21 < laurence_> right wing religion nut with added identity politics
2020-11-08T04:58:39 < laurence_> western saudi arabia
2020-11-08T04:59:13 < laurence_> shouts: BY THE WILL OF ALLAH I WILL BE YOUR PRESIDENT!!
2020-11-08T04:59:26 < laurence_> just change the god and its isis tier
2020-11-08T05:00:35 < laurence_> its like the bush blair story
2020-11-08T05:00:44 < laurence_> bush: "we should pray together"
2020-11-08T05:00:53 < laurence_> blair: "even I'm not that crazy"
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2020-11-08T06:00:56 < laurence_> lol https://kepleraerospace.com
2020-11-08T06:01:13 < laurence_> emdriven
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2020-11-08T14:38:21 < qyx> wanna 125 A? https://www.scame.com/catalogue/-/catalogue/Industry_Industrial+Plugs+and+Sockets_Flush+mounting+appliance+inlets_OPTIMA+Series/248.12597
2020-11-08T14:38:38 < qyx> such big, so wow
2020-11-08T14:40:16 < qyx> oh zyp may want it, I just saw a photo of the new toy
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2020-11-08T15:26:47 < zyp> 125A is a bit overkill, it'll run on 16A
2020-11-08T15:27:27 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/E3lRY.jpg <- got it moved inside today
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2020-11-08T15:32:23 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/WJ0cN.jpg <- pretty tidy inside
2020-11-08T15:34:00 < qyx> whats the floor material inside?
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2020-11-08T15:34:07 < qyx> is it concrete of some weird color kind?
2020-11-08T15:34:25 < zyp> inside what?
2020-11-08T15:34:49 < zyp> the storage room? that's plain concrete
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2020-11-08T15:42:38 < qyx> haha spot the bug https://bin.jvnv.net/file/zXfPR/Screenshot_2020-11-08_14-42-17.png
2020-11-08T15:43:52 < zyp> I don't see it
2020-11-08T15:44:36 < qyx> the 120p cap should be connected to the FB node
2020-11-08T15:44:41 < qyx> to insert some ripple back
2020-11-08T15:45:11 < zyp> ah
2020-11-08T15:45:44 < zyp> figuret it was just some sort of high freq decoupling
2020-11-08T15:51:19 < karlp> zyp: what's the db9 for?
2020-11-08T15:51:54 < zyp> control panel
2020-11-08T15:53:17 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/bUZNu.jpg <- VFD with one of those detachable panels
2020-11-08T15:53:28 < zyp> so it's moved to the lid
2020-11-08T16:01:30 < qyx> whoa screened 3 phase cable
2020-11-08T16:01:41 < qyx> looks pro
2020-11-08T16:04:17 < zyp> it's common to use those between VFD and motor
2020-11-08T16:04:39 < zyp> shit's noisy
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2020-11-08T16:18:22 < qyx> yeah except when you are going cheap
2020-11-08T16:22:29 < qyx> speaking of pro, my smps layout https://bin.jvnv.net/file/bUZNu.jpg
2020-11-08T16:22:45 < qyx> this one https://bin.jvnv.net/file/pNFKg/Screenshot_2020-11-08_15-22-03.png
2020-11-08T16:23:14 < karlp> looks yellow
2020-11-08T16:23:23  * karlp has no useful commentary on smps layout :)
2020-11-08T16:25:22 < qyx> it got hepatitis
2020-11-08T16:25:52 < karlp> jaundice maybe..
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2020-11-08T16:39:00 < Steffanx> How does it show, qyx? Got it tested?
2020-11-08T16:40:21 < qyx> what, emc?
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2020-11-08T16:41:40 < jpa-> no, smoke
2020-11-08T16:41:58 < Steffanx> Lol no, the hepatitis, qyx ;)
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2020-11-08T17:56:43 < mawk> PaulFertser: 
2020-11-08T17:57:02 < mawk> using the tcl rpc port, how can I know if commands failed or not?
2020-11-08T17:57:07 < mawk> just parse the text and that's it?
2020-11-08T17:57:18 < mawk> and how can I know if the server failed? I can capture the server's stderr if that helps
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2020-11-08T18:13:26 < PaulFertser> mawk: in Tcl everything is a string, so error result is kind of a string too. I'm not sure what exactly you get when there's an exception thrown yet.
2020-11-08T18:14:08 < mawk> hmm I see, thanks
2020-11-08T18:14:29 < mawk> and then how to catch when there is an error with the openocd server itself?
2020-11-08T18:14:43 < mawk> like "can't connect to target" error you get when the core goes to deepsleep or disconnects
2020-11-08T18:14:52 < mawk> I assume just parsing the stderr of openocd is enough?
2020-11-08T18:16:10 < Steffanx> y u no #openocd?
2020-11-08T18:16:42 < mawk> don't ask silly questions Steffanx 
2020-11-08T18:17:39 < PaulFertser> mawk: just tried it, the exception error is returned.
2020-11-08T18:17:42 < PaulFertser> error message
2020-11-08T18:17:58 < mawk> you mean unsolicited?
2020-11-08T18:18:00 < mawk> or at the next command
2020-11-08T18:18:18 < mawk> oh you mean when there is a plain exception? thanks
2020-11-08T18:18:36 < PaulFertser> mawk: oh, I didn't realised you're talking about unsolicited. The RPC interface doesn't return anything unsolicited afaict.
2020-11-08T18:19:39 < mawk> I sure hope it doesn't yeah, otherise there would be no way to match responses to commands
2020-11-08T18:19:59 < mawk> but I can capture the stderr of openocd server itself so I can work with that
2020-11-08T18:20:22 < mawk> and lastly but that's just cosmetic, can I hide the command input/output from openocd server output? but that's not very important
2020-11-08T18:20:38 < mawk> like disable logging of RPC/telnet commands into the server process
2020-11-08T18:20:50 < mawk> I'm doing a python interface for openocd
2020-11-08T18:20:56 < mawk> to use in the production line at company
2020-11-08T18:21:58 < mawk> but I'll put it online afterwards anyway, it's my code
2020-11-08T18:22:31 < PaulFertser> I'm afraid there's no way to suppress it currently.
2020-11-08T18:32:29 < Steffanx> No, its not your code mawk
2020-11-08T18:32:47 < Steffanx> If its work related etc. bla your boss can claim it
2020-11-08T18:32:53 < mawk> I did it on weekend
2020-11-08T18:32:55 < mawk> boss claims nothing at all
2020-11-08T18:33:00 < mawk> unless he pays me
2020-11-08T18:33:02 < Steffanx> Irrelevant 
2020-11-08T18:33:07 < mawk> nonsense
2020-11-08T18:33:09 < mawk> totally relevant
2020-11-08T18:33:14 < mawk> it's code I did for myself on weekend
2020-11-08T18:33:19 < mawk> and I gracefully offer it to company
2020-11-08T18:33:21 < mawk> but it's my code
2020-11-08T18:33:34 < Steffanx>  But its closely related to work.
2020-11-08T18:33:41 < Steffanx> Even used at work
2020-11-08T18:34:05 < mawk> it's not used at work
2020-11-08T18:34:11 < mawk> it's code I do for myself, as open source
2020-11-08T18:34:16 < mawk> and only after it's done I offer it for wokr
2020-11-08T18:34:35 < Steffanx> Good luck ;)
2020-11-08T18:34:47 < mawk> you would be a terrible labor judge Steffanx 
2020-11-08T18:34:50 < mawk> I don't need luck for that
2020-11-08T18:35:10 < Steffanx> Im not convinced
2020-11-08T18:35:17 < mawk> I used stm32 before being in that job, and I used openocd before being in that job
2020-11-08T18:36:07 < mawk> and even if that weren't the case, it's code I write without using any works tools or resources so it doesn't matter what it's about
2020-11-08T18:36:13 < mawk> nobody owns my brain
2020-11-08T18:36:36 < mawk> what I'm precluded from is selling that code; but not having it open sourced
2020-11-08T18:57:08 < jadew> the company owns you
2020-11-08T19:06:41 < jpa-> Steffanx: does .nl really have such crazy copyright law?
2020-11-08T19:07:08 < mawk> jpa-: yes
2020-11-08T19:07:16 < mawk> if it's work related to your field in a particular way
2020-11-08T19:07:20 < mawk> but left up to the judge's appreciation
2020-11-08T19:07:45 < mawk> you may have provision to your work contract that preclude you from working/selling code in related field
2020-11-08T19:07:47 < mawk> but it's all fuzzy
2020-11-08T19:07:52 < jpa-> in .fi copyright belongs by default to the person creating the work, and it's up to the employer to prove they have right to it based on e.g. work contract
2020-11-08T19:10:28 < Steffanx> Is difficult jpa-. It seems that when you make software x in your free time. And start to use the software at work later on, write updates with feedback from work then can actually claim the copyright on the updates / extension. Not on the original work.
2020-11-08T19:10:51 < Steffanx> Then they.
2020-11-08T19:11:31 < jpa-> sounds pretty same as in .fi then
2020-11-08T19:11:47 < mawk> if it's written with input from work even before the first release too Steffanx 
2020-11-08T19:11:50 < mawk> input/knowledge/tools
2020-11-08T19:12:03 < Steffanx> Yeah that too mawk
2020-11-08T19:12:06 < mawk> but my work doesn't even use openocd, they use a shitty visual basic script to porgram chips
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2020-11-08T19:15:21 < Steffanx> I guess its difficult, because even knowledge you gathered at work can be considered as "input from work", but how you know it was the case or not. 
2020-11-08T19:16:08 < jadew> mawk, don't be stupid, don't work for the company in your own free time
2020-11-08T19:16:21 < Steffanx> mawk has no free time.
2020-11-08T19:16:37 < mawk> you prefer I shoot up some heroin jadew ?
2020-11-08T19:16:38 < jadew> if you feel inspired to write/build something, keep it to yourself
2020-11-08T19:16:40 < mawk> or you prefer than I cod
2020-11-08T19:16:43 < mawk> e
2020-11-08T19:16:45 < Steffanx> YEs, Yes
2020-11-08T19:16:48 < jadew> if you do code, keep it yourself
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2020-11-08T19:16:59 < englishman> you could do a lot of things besides inject drugs. like read a book
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2020-11-08T19:17:21 < mawk> not interactive enough
2020-11-08T19:18:08 < Steffanx> Try a listening-book.
2020-11-08T19:18:13 < jadew> the idea here being to maximize your $$/h
2020-11-08T19:18:14 < Steffanx> and talk back
2020-11-08T19:18:26 < Steffanx> Hows the picologger clone jadew?
2020-11-08T19:18:39 < qyx> :>
2020-11-08T19:18:40 < jadew> if after you finish work, you still think about it for hours on end, your effective rate goes down
2020-11-08T19:19:02 < jadew> Steffanx, it's right on schedule :D
2020-11-08T19:19:11 < mawk> money is not useful to me jadew 
2020-11-08T19:19:20 < mawk> as long as nobody cuts my gas and electricity
2020-11-08T19:19:33 < Steffanx> Your gf doesnt like this bling bling golden ring around her finger?
2020-11-08T19:19:38 < mawk> lol
2020-11-08T19:19:39 < jadew> mawk, let me send you my IBAN
2020-11-08T19:19:40 < mawk> certainly not
2020-11-08T19:19:50 < mawk> I'm at 0€ balance jadew 
2020-11-08T19:19:57 < mawk> they won't allow a wire
2020-11-08T19:20:01 < Steffanx> Try go negative.
2020-11-08T19:20:09 < Steffanx> awh
2020-11-08T19:20:20 < Steffanx> Paypal will do
2020-11-08T19:20:25 < mawk> lol
2020-11-08T19:21:35 < qyx> nearly done https://bin.jvnv.net/file/E5GbS/Screenshot_2020-11-08_18-21-15.png
2020-11-08T19:22:43 < jpa-> i want to see a photo when qyx gets that manufactured and there is still "TODO: connect power rails" on back side
2020-11-08T19:23:12 < englishman> is the ~wow~ under the module
2020-11-08T19:23:23 < qyx> I cannot find a kicad doge symbol
2020-11-08T19:24:52 < Steffanx> Evil, jpa-.
2020-11-08T19:25:51 < qyx> meh, they are already connected
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2020-11-08T19:43:05 < qyx> so, englishman is a buffer pro, which one should I use for 3V3 with one side being 5V tolerant?
2020-11-08T19:44:30 < qyx> 74LVC245 should work
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2020-11-08T19:59:54 < qyx> 74lvc125a is better
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2020-11-08T20:32:01 < Streaker> you dont like TXS0108E type of level translators?
2020-11-08T20:33:26 < qyx> I want individual OE
2020-11-08T20:33:45 < qyx> those are inherently bidirectional
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2020-11-08T22:08:16 < karlp> hct125 I've used.
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2020-11-08T23:46:38 < kakium69> ah
2020-11-08T23:46:42 < kakium69> much chats
2020-11-08T23:47:13 < kakium69> excite!
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2020-11-08T23:59:58 < Steffanx> Hola kakium69 , Mucho gusto
--- Day changed Mon Nov 09 2020
2020-11-09T00:00:08 < kakium69> moite
2020-11-09T00:01:33 < Steffanx> ¿Hablas Español?
2020-11-09T00:03:41 < kakium69> nop
2020-11-09T00:04:12 < Steffanx> Awh, too bad.
2020-11-09T00:08:42 < kakium69> I'm trying math
2020-11-09T00:09:03 < Steffanx> ohno
2020-11-09T00:13:29 < kakium69> it makes me sick
2020-11-09T00:14:40 < Steffanx> ask mawk
2020-11-09T00:14:54 < mawk> state your question kakium69 
2020-11-09T00:15:01 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakizome
2020-11-09T00:15:19 < mawk> kaki-rhizome
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2020-11-09T00:17:24 < kakizome> mawk: how to acquire math superpowers?
2020-11-09T00:19:26 < Steffanx> Enjoy math and go to university?
2020-11-09T00:19:38 < mawk> yes
2020-11-09T00:19:43 < mawk> but uni is not strictly required
2020-11-09T00:19:47 < mawk> you just have to enjoy maths
2020-11-09T00:19:49 < kakizome> okay 1/2 done
2020-11-09T00:19:56 < kakizome> how to enjoy it?
2020-11-09T00:20:15 < mawk> by doing cool maths 
2020-11-09T00:20:24 < mawk> doing things you like the most so you realize how cool it i
2020-11-09T00:20:27 < mawk> s
2020-11-09T00:21:00 < kakizome> it's fighting fires
2020-11-09T00:21:39 < kakizome> my base level is not very high
2020-11-09T00:22:04 < kakizome> maybe I need to struggle it until I pick it up
2020-11-09T00:25:07 < mawk> well you can always work the bases
2020-11-09T00:25:11 < mawk> with your brain power you'll do it easily
2020-11-09T00:25:18 < mawk> and you probably already remember a lot of stuff
2020-11-09T00:25:36 < mawk> mostly you don't have to know theorems by heart and so on, but you have to know what are the very common techniques you have to apply
2020-11-09T00:25:56 < mawk> like how to expand, how to factor, what are functions, what are polynomials, and so on
2020-11-09T00:26:04 < mawk> that is the basis you need
2020-11-09T00:26:46 < Steffanx> We both should go to mawk-class kakizome. When will we start?
2020-11-09T00:26:47 < mawk> like a(b+c) = ab+ac and so on
2020-11-09T00:29:23 < kakizome> geometric series
2020-11-09T00:29:29 < kakizome> familiar with it?
2020-11-09T00:29:31 < kakizome> ofc
2020-11-09T00:29:39 < mawk> yes kakizome 
2020-11-09T00:30:03 < mawk> series of the form [a, a^2, a^3, a^4, a^5, ...]
2020-11-09T00:31:18 < kakizome> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BmC6A9hUlne7AMRd255-yEBA2KDdTjKW/view?usp=sharing I'm trying to solve q that is ratio indicating something about if it expands or contracting
2020-11-09T00:31:33 < Steffanx> oh its homework?
2020-11-09T00:31:36 < mawk> let's see
2020-11-09T00:32:24 < kakizome> ak is the general term of the series
2020-11-09T00:32:32 < kakizome> am I even on right track?
2020-11-09T00:32:50 < kakizome> there is these calculating classes in uni but a
2020-11-09T00:32:54 < kakizome> I cannot attend
2020-11-09T00:33:04 < kakizome> uni is 400km from my home
2020-11-09T00:33:17 < kakizome> I have understood those calculating classes are the shit
2020-11-09T00:34:30 < kakizome> mawk: can last line be iterated further?
2020-11-09T00:35:30 < mawk> let's see
2020-11-09T00:36:10 < mawk> so you have a[k] = 5k/4^k
2020-11-09T00:36:15 < mawk> and what's the question?
2020-11-09T00:36:30 < mawk> you want to know if it's increasing/decreasing kakizome ?
2020-11-09T00:36:35 < kakizome> yes
2020-11-09T00:36:41 < kakizome> is it expanding or contracting
2020-11-09T00:36:50 < mawk> that's not the same thing
2020-11-09T00:36:53 < kakizome> ratio test it
2020-11-09T00:37:06 < kakizome> lemme see the question
2020-11-09T00:37:11 < mawk> increasing/decreasing is not the same as "contracting", I'm not sure contracting is a regular maths term in that context
2020-11-09T00:37:24 < kakizome> ah
2020-11-09T00:37:28 < mawk> ratio test is for increasing/decreasing yes
2020-11-09T00:37:32 < mawk> so you did a[k+1]/a[k]
2020-11-09T00:37:42 < mawk> with absolute value
2020-11-09T00:37:48 < mawk> and if that thing is < 1, it's strictly decreasing
2020-11-09T00:37:56 < kakizome> yes
2020-11-09T00:38:13 < mawk> why taking the limit though? 
2020-11-09T00:38:31 < mawk> knowing it's < 1 for any k is enough
2020-11-09T00:38:38 < mawk> let's verify computation
2020-11-09T00:39:09 < kakizome> it says to look at certain page of lecture papers
2020-11-09T00:39:30 < kakizome> it has lim|ak+1/ak| = q
2020-11-09T00:39:53 < mawk> well yes you can look at the limit if you want
2020-11-09T00:39:58 < mawk> to know the behavior at +oo
2020-11-09T00:40:08 < kakizome> and says 0 <= q  < 1 decreasing
2020-11-09T00:40:15 < mawk> but knowing that |a[k+1]/a[k]| < 1 for a k above a certain limit value is enough
2020-11-09T00:40:19 < mawk> yes
2020-11-09T00:40:20 < kakizome> 1 = may decrease or increase
2020-11-09T00:40:32 < kakizome> > 1 increasing
2020-11-09T00:41:48 < mawk> so
2020-11-09T00:41:55 < kakizome> but yeah I need help with basics!
2020-11-09T00:41:58 < mawk> let me type
2020-11-09T00:42:18 < kakizome> 5k * 4^k is this iterable?
2020-11-09T00:42:51 < kakizome> or 5 * 4^k
2020-11-09T00:42:59 < qyx> karlp: hct? it is 4.5-5.5V, isn't it?
2020-11-09T00:43:01 < mawk> you mean doing a ratio test on the ratio?
2020-11-09T00:43:11 < kakizome> no - basic rules
2020-11-09T00:43:23 < mawk> what do you mean by iterable then
2020-11-09T00:43:28 < kakizome> if you look at last line in my pahe
2020-11-09T00:43:29 < kakizome> page
2020-11-09T00:43:37 < kakizome> I try to evaluate it further
2020-11-09T00:43:46 < kakizome> and then D() / D() it
2020-11-09T00:44:19 < kakizome> qyx: use HC instead of HCT
2020-11-09T00:44:34 < kakizome> i think it was 3v3 - 5v5 or so
2020-11-09T00:44:55 < kakizome> 2-6v
2020-11-09T00:45:27 < kakizome> it's slower than HCT iirc
2020-11-09T00:48:07 < mawk> kakizome: https://maths.serveur.io/fMTDva9L
2020-11-09T00:48:37 < mawk> why did you make the fraction sign disappear in your picture? in teh last line
2020-11-09T00:49:02 < mawk> you shouldn't have expanded the 5(k+1) in 5k+5, then you don't see what to do
2020-11-09T00:49:07 < mawk> while what you need to do is simplify away the 5
2020-11-09T00:49:09 < mawk> like I did
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2020-11-09T00:49:56 < kakizome> are those vertical lines btw absolute value or something else?
2020-11-09T00:50:03 < mawk> yes
2020-11-09T00:50:06 < mawk> absolute value
2020-11-09T00:50:06 < kakizome> good
2020-11-09T00:50:08 < mawk> like you wrote
2020-11-09T00:50:27 < mawk> you understood what I did?
2020-11-09T00:50:33 < kakizome> processing
2020-11-09T00:50:41 < kakizome> . .. ...
2020-11-09T00:50:48 < mawk> I can add the steps if you want
2020-11-09T00:50:51 < mawk> let's see
2020-11-09T00:51:15 < kakizome> nice trick you just inverted ak there
2020-11-09T00:51:47 < kakizome> second last line
2020-11-09T00:51:54 < kakizome> lot of stuff happend there
2020-11-09T00:53:38 < kakizome> this is second warmup excersise :)  no points from this one or next one
2020-11-09T00:53:49 < kakizome> after that is the actual stuff
2020-11-09T00:55:04 < mawk> kakizome: https://maths.serveur.io/Z2Wo5LuR
2020-11-09T00:55:08 < mawk> with all ze stepss
2020-11-09T00:55:10 < laurence_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK9NZv40cQc
2020-11-09T00:55:17 < mawk> but normally you understood it all
2020-11-09T00:55:37 < kakizome> now I understand
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2020-11-09T00:56:43 < mawk> so the series is strictly decreasing starting with k = 1
2020-11-09T00:57:00 < kakizome> yes
2020-11-09T00:57:05 < kakizome> only one question
2020-11-09T00:57:11 < kakizome> why did you lose the vertical lines?
2020-11-09T00:57:25 < kakizome> 8.
2020-11-09T00:57:26 < mawk> because I know it's all positive
2020-11-09T00:57:36 < mawk> |positive| = positive
2020-11-09T00:57:42 < mawk> since k >= 0
2020-11-09T00:57:46 < kakizome> if there was minus signs you would keep them?
2020-11-09T00:57:54 < mawk> no I would remove them
2020-11-09T00:57:58 < mawk> |-positive| = positive
2020-11-09T00:58:20 < mawk> rule is ||x|| = |x|, |-|x|| = |x|
2020-11-09T00:58:36 < kakizome> what rule is that
2020-11-09T00:58:41 < mawk> nevermind lol
2020-11-09T00:58:47 < mawk> it looks too complex for what it is
2020-11-09T00:59:03 < mawk> I just mean, if you have x > 0, then |x| = x, and |-x| = x
2020-11-09T00:59:07 < mawk> that's what absolute value is
2020-11-09T00:59:12 < mawk> it gives something always positive
2020-11-09T00:59:29 < mawk> and if you feed in y < 0, then |y| = -y which is positive
2020-11-09T01:00:07 < kakizome> k
2020-11-09T01:15:11 < kakizome> mawk: you work for uni?
2020-11-09T01:15:40 < mawk> no kakizome I work for my boss
2020-11-09T01:15:45 < mawk> I'm not a real maths teacher
2020-11-09T01:15:48 < mawk> just an IRC maths teacher
2020-11-09T01:15:53 < mawk> you have other questions?
2020-11-09T01:15:56 < mawk> for your exercise
2020-11-09T01:22:16 < kakizome> not for now
2020-11-09T01:25:56 < kakizome> thanks
2020-11-09T01:27:15 < qyx> offtopic32: funtimes, ~8 highest current/past police officials arrested yesterday, the previous police president among them, two more were arrested earlier (some tax crime investigation director or whatever and some other one)
2020-11-09T01:29:09 < qyx> ref https://spectator.sme.sk/c/22527310/police-raids-the-houses-of-former-high-ranking-police-officials.html
2020-11-09T01:37:25 < kakizome> paywall
2020-11-09T01:37:34 < kakizome> that is avoidable
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2020-11-09T01:38:04 < kakizome> ah false alarm
2020-11-09T01:38:18 < Steffanx> No panic
2020-11-09T01:38:23 < kakizome> ah yes paywall
2020-11-09T01:38:37 < kakizome> it gave a tease
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2020-11-09T02:46:19 < jadew> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/update-benfords-law-used-prove-election-fraud-past-joe-bidens-numbers-michigan-99-flawed-no-surprise-tech-giants-banning-information/
2020-11-09T02:50:41 < jadew> https://twitter.com/search?q=benford%27s%20law
2020-11-09T03:02:25 < zyp> uh, that looks like bullshit
2020-11-09T03:03:36 < jadew> hold on
2020-11-09T03:04:06 < jadew> http://5.12.164.114/stuff/trends.jpg
2020-11-09T03:04:08 < zyp> also, why is the count total different between the two data sets?
2020-11-09T03:06:33 < jadew> don't know, take a look over twitter, lots of people are looking at this
2020-11-09T03:07:31 < zyp> so anyway, if I get this right this is basically a histogram of the leading digits of votes from each district
2020-11-09T03:08:08 < jadew> zyp, I didn't really look into how it works, but apparently it's an indicator
2020-11-09T03:08:29 < jadew> the google trends thing is also interesting
2020-11-09T03:08:40 < zyp> intuitively it feels natural that the person receiving the most votes gets a higher amount of 1 and 2 as the leading digit
2020-11-09T03:10:21 < zyp> more votes -> higher probability of needing another digit, and that digit will start at 1
2020-11-09T03:11:01 < jadew> apparently trump's curve is what it should look like
2020-11-09T03:11:15 < jadew> regardless of the number of votes
2020-11-09T03:11:50 < jadew> but it's nowhere from being proof
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2020-11-09T03:14:29 < zyp> I'm not convinced
2020-11-09T03:14:38 < jadew> me neither
2020-11-09T03:15:58 < zyp> it looks to me like the metric is measuring the quality of randomness and it seems like a big part of the randomness here is the size of the voting districts
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2020-11-09T03:18:24 < zyp> I mean, consider a district with e.g. 22k voters
2020-11-09T03:18:47 < zyp> at an even split, both leading digits will be 1
2020-11-09T03:21:35 < zyp> i.e. the winner won't see a leading digit different from 1 unless the loser drops to 2k votes or below
2020-11-09T03:21:49 < zyp> and before that, the loser will have been through the entire digit range
2020-11-09T03:24:57 < zyp> I probably don't understand this completely, but I bet neither does the people touting it as proof of election fraud
2020-11-09T03:25:31 < qyx> thegatewaypundit is some conspiracy web or what
2020-11-09T03:25:32 < jadew> I don't think it's meant to be taken as proof
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2020-11-09T03:25:57 < jadew> from what I'm reading it's just a signal that something might be wrong, not that it necessarily is
2020-11-09T03:26:05 < zyp> that won't stop people claiming it is
2020-11-09T03:26:06 < jadew> and it's been used before to detect election fraud
2020-11-09T03:27:41 < zyp> «Benford's law tends to apply most accurately to data that span several orders of magnitude. As a rule of thumb, the more orders of magnitude that the data evenly covers, the more accurately Benford's law applies. For instance, one can expect that Benford's law would apply to a list of numbers representing the populations of UK settlements. But if a "settlement" is defined as a village with population 
2020-11-09T03:27:47 < zyp> between 300 and 999, then Benford's law will not apply.»
2020-11-09T03:28:39 < jadew> zyp, seems to apply in trump's case
2020-11-09T03:28:50 < jadew> so there might be enough distribution for it to work
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2020-11-09T05:00:05 < karlp> qyx: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/dSbeP.png
2020-11-09T05:00:50 < karlp> so, powered by 5v, accepts 3v3 logic, and stm32 accepts teh 5v back in....
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2020-11-09T08:43:26 < jpa-> heh, switching from dso quad to the rigol, now i remember how incredibly convenient it was when the scope was isolated from mains ground
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2020-11-09T08:44:51 < PaulFertser> What if you disconnect rigol from PE?
2020-11-09T08:45:29 < PaulFertser> I think it helped with tektronix at work.
2020-11-09T08:56:36 < jpa-> yeah, just not sure if i really want to go that way
2020-11-09T08:56:53 < jpa-> for now i was just able to rearrange the measurement
2020-11-09T08:57:07 < jpa-> but i guess i could build some isolator thingy or just buy a differential probe
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2020-11-09T09:12:31 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/7probes2scopes.jpg   i think this scope upgrade has just doubled the mess on my table
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2020-11-09T09:18:59 < jadew> jpa-, an isolation transformer would solve the problem
2020-11-09T09:20:13 < jadew> how do you like the scope so far?
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2020-11-09T09:21:26 < jpa-> isolation transformer on the DUT would kind-of solve the problem, but even before i already ran into problems where i wanted to simultaneously measure signals referred to different grounds
2020-11-09T09:21:57 < jadew> no, I meant for the scope
2020-11-09T09:22:11 < jpa-> it's a bit annoying the rigol seems to only allow one math trace at a time, so if i use it for CH1-CH2 for pseudo-differential measurement then i cannot do filter of CH3
2020-11-09T09:22:25 < jadew> ah, you want different grounds for each channel
2020-11-09T09:23:06 < jpa-> isolation transformer for the scope is a bit hacky solution, as it would float it all in some crazy voltages; floating the DUT seems safer in general
2020-11-09T09:23:20 < jpa-> but yeah, ideally i'd want differential probes; they just cost :)
2020-11-09T09:25:22 < jadew> what's the bandwidth you're looking for?
2020-11-09T09:25:37 < jadew> maybe you can come up with something
2020-11-09T09:25:47 < jpa-> yeah, i could DIY something
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2020-11-09T10:04:43 < zyp> jpa-, I like the motor setup
2020-11-09T10:27:10 < jpa-> it works surprisingly well
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2020-11-09T11:22:40 < Steffanx> Are you using ugfx for the displays, jpa- ?
2020-11-09T11:25:20 < karlp> new desk or new house jpa? (vs http://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/P1010615.JPG
2020-11-09T11:29:42 < zyp> maybe same desk with new shelves?
2020-11-09T11:32:16 < karlp> walls looked different?
2020-11-09T11:32:32 < karlp> what has he got there, two motors back to back? what's going on?
2020-11-09T11:32:43 < zyp> looks like it, yes
2020-11-09T11:32:52 < zyp> I assume the one on the right is acting as load
2020-11-09T11:33:01 < zyp> or the other way around
2020-11-09T11:33:24 < karlp> that means you can use one as a variable brake then right?
2020-11-09T11:33:34 < mawk> is that a drawing of jpa- on the wall?
2020-11-09T11:33:37 < mawk> with the elvis haircut
2020-11-09T11:34:17 < zyp> karlp, a motor and a generator is the same thing, difference is just where you put in and where you take out energy
2020-11-09T11:34:23 < karlp> I wonder if old picture was before he even had the dso quad? looks like an old one channel cro.
2020-11-09T11:34:46 < zyp> so yes, if you hook up a variable electric load to a generator, you can use it as a variable brake
2020-11-09T11:35:35 < karlp> I imaging direct coupled like that you could burn out windings if you're not careful?
2020-11-09T11:37:05 < zyp> as long as the driving one and the driven one are around the same size I don't think so
2020-11-09T11:38:10 < zyp> as in, if they are the same size, they can handle the same power, and all of it comes from the motor side, so you'd probably burn out the driving motor before the driven one
2020-11-09T11:40:55 < karlp> bleh, bt sig membership finished finally, "click here to set a new password on your account", ok, done, "now you can login" "wrong password"
2020-11-09T11:41:02 < karlp> fucking webapp bullshit
2020-11-09T11:41:11 < Steffanx> mawk ofcourse that is him
2020-11-09T11:44:57 < jadew> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-idUKKBN27M1DD
2020-11-09T11:45:09 < jadew> it jumped to minks
2020-11-09T11:45:24 < karlp> dude, get with the times, that's like 10 days old news now? :)
2020-11-09T11:45:43 < jadew> heh, I just found out about it
2020-11-09T11:45:57 < karlp> it's also completely unclear yet what this will actually mean 
2020-11-09T11:46:31 < jadew> well, if it jumped once, it will jump again, if it hasn't done so already and we just didn't detect it
2020-11-09T11:47:26 < Steffanx> In dutchland the whole mink industry was going to be shutdown somewhere "soonish" anyway. It'll probably be few years early now.
2020-11-09T11:49:39 < mawk> poor minks
2020-11-09T11:49:41 < jadew> hopefully by the time it jumps back to us, it's as harmless as regular flu
2020-11-09T11:51:58 < karlp> heh, https://store.bluetooth.com/ has only one item.
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2020-11-09T11:53:26 < Steffanx> it must be damn special for $99
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2020-11-09T11:58:20 < jpa-> karlp: same desk, but new shelf
2020-11-09T11:59:27 < jpa-> karlp: i still have that two-channel analog scope also, it was a good complement to dso quad because it lacks any kind of intensity shading; the new rigol seems to do that part well
2020-11-09T11:59:58 < jpa-> karlp: and yeah, motor on left is connected to a fet circuit on the pcb to act as a load
2020-11-09T12:00:14 < jpa-> and by adjusting Vg supply i can adjust how much it brakes
2020-11-09T12:01:20 < jpa-> and one thing i'm trying to verify is that my software tracks motor thermal limits correctly and does not burn it out :)
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2020-11-09T15:10:27 < Steffanx> "Don't read baudrate from baudrate register, because this mess up registers (i think)" Love commments like that
2020-11-09T15:11:58 < mawk> lol
2020-11-09T15:12:06 < mawk> (i think)
2020-11-09T15:12:12 < mawk> do git blame Steffanx 
2020-11-09T15:12:14 < mawk> and fire the guy
2020-11-09T15:12:33 < Steffanx> if only git.  if only proper version control
2020-11-09T15:12:47 < Steffanx> Date: 12-07-2004 <3
2020-11-09T15:14:43 < mawk> lol
2020-11-09T15:18:26 < mawk> I started mining monero Steffanx 
2020-11-09T15:18:29 < mawk> I'm soon very rich
2020-11-09T15:18:44 < mawk> Mining at 1.23 kH/s with 6 threads
2020-11-09T15:18:46 < mawk> Expected: 0.000788685573 monero daily, 0.024054909994 monero monthly, 0.280772064195 yearly
2020-11-09T15:18:54 < Steffanx> Fuck crypto currency
2020-11-09T15:19:03 < mawk> why
2020-11-09T15:19:09 < mawk> monero is anonymous
2020-11-09T15:19:14 < mawk> you can buy drugz with it
2020-11-09T15:19:19 < mawk> and hide money from the IRS
2020-11-09T15:19:30 < mawk> 1 monero is ~100€
2020-11-09T15:19:34 < mawk> so I will earn 28€/year
2020-11-09T15:19:40 < mawk> that's alright
2020-11-09T15:19:43 < mawk> it will pay for domain name
2020-11-09T15:20:48 < Steffanx> And that is where you make it suck. You should say. 1 monero = 1 monero. [End]
2020-11-09T15:21:02 < mawk> nonsense
2020-11-09T15:21:29 < mawk> it's just the currency pair
2020-11-09T15:21:35 < mawk> like it exists for anything else
2020-11-09T15:21:38 < mawk> USD/EUR
2020-11-09T15:21:44 < mawk> if I was paid in USD, I would convert it to EUR as well
2020-11-09T15:22:15 < Steffanx> Yes,  and thats what makes it suck.
2020-11-09T15:22:26 < Steffanx> More "magic" money.
2020-11-09T15:22:37 < Steffanx> More shit created out of nothing
2020-11-09T15:22:38 < mawk> it's exactly as magic as EUR and USD
2020-11-09T15:22:42 < mawk> actually it's less magic
2020-11-09T15:22:45 < mawk> it's more like gold
2020-11-09T15:22:52 < mawk> one monero is the embodiment of a certain amount of energy
2020-11-09T15:22:56 < mawk> that was used to mine it
2020-11-09T15:22:59 < Steffanx> Wasting energy to create money. Fuck it.
2020-11-09T15:23:09 < mawk> "waste precious metal to create money"
2020-11-09T15:23:11 < mawk> same thing
2020-11-09T15:23:17 < mawk> that's where the value is
2020-11-09T15:23:38 < Steffanx> You didnt hear my say its better
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2020-11-09T15:23:39 < mawk> as long as human trust cannot be achieved, we need to seal value into the money like that
2020-11-09T15:23:46 < mawk> there's no alternative
2020-11-09T15:24:01 < Steffanx> Yeah "trust". That works great in the world of crypto currency
2020-11-09T15:24:10 < mawk> actually crypto don't require trust
2020-11-09T15:24:13 < mawk> that's the whole point
2020-11-09T15:24:50 < mawk> euro requires trust, in the ECB
2020-11-09T15:25:30 < Steffanx> And how many crypto currency shit disappeared because someone took it?
2020-11-09T15:25:37 < Steffanx> And disappeared.
2020-11-09T15:26:10 < mawk> if I setup mawkcrypto.com and scam stupid people it's not really the fault of the whole concept of cryptocurrencies
2020-11-09T15:26:17 < Steffanx> Im glad zyp was finally able to buy a cup of coffee with the buttcoin i once gave him :P
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2020-11-09T15:26:43 < mawk> and when "people took it" it's when they don't deliver on an ICO or something, it's almost never that the coins disappear because of a flaw in the protocol
2020-11-09T15:27:47 < mawk> when you get scammed out of 10k€ it's not the fault of the central bank
2020-11-09T15:28:57 < Steffanx> See you keep comparing it to the conventional money, and that's exactly why im like: fuck it.
2020-11-09T15:29:41 < Steffanx> but whatever. fuck buttcoin and co.
2020-11-09T15:30:30 < mawk> the common denominator is "money"
2020-11-09T15:30:36 < mawk> of course you compare money to money
2020-11-09T15:30:40 < mawk> how do you want to call it otherwise
2020-11-09T15:30:42 < mawk> zglurb?
2020-11-09T15:31:06 < mawk> so if you get scammed of 10 000 cryptozglurbs, it's not the fault of the cryptozglurb, it's the scammer's fault and your fault
2020-11-09T15:31:09 < mawk> like this?
2020-11-09T15:39:36 < Steffanx> Im going back to my tea and not give a fuck about buttcoin&co
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2020-11-09T15:58:27 < englishman> good ideas stefs
2020-11-09T15:59:14 < englishman> but did he convert the buttcoin to real money before buying coffee
2020-11-09T15:59:21 < englishman> or actually pay in butts
2020-11-09T15:59:32 < Steffanx> idk lol. 
2020-11-09T15:59:43 < Steffanx> Im not even sure if he did it
2020-11-09T15:59:47 < englishman> making buttcoin an expensive and complicated paypal with a public register of transactions
2020-11-09T16:00:49 < Steffanx> I like your description more. :D
2020-11-09T16:07:38 < mawk> at least bitcoin doesn't cut you out when they don't like your face lol
2020-11-09T16:07:44 < mawk> and monero has no public register
2020-11-09T16:08:05 < mawk> paypal gives in very easily to states wanting to ban certain individuals
2020-11-09T16:08:12 < mawk> that's not how money should work
2020-11-09T16:08:18 < mawk> paypal doesn't qualify sorry
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2020-11-09T16:18:13 < englishman> https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/
2020-11-09T16:19:35 < Steffanx> Still didnt hire a fiverr guy you can pay using paypal to upgrade the image mr englishman?
2020-11-09T16:19:40 < Steffanx> vectorized.
2020-11-09T16:19:56 < englishman> good idea
2020-11-09T16:20:09 < englishman> is there a site like fiverr that actually delivers?
2020-11-09T16:20:28 < Steffanx> Worked fine for me so far. So far = 3 times.
2020-11-09T16:21:09 < Steffanx> With "real" stuff, not some vectorization job.
2020-11-09T16:21:30 < englishman> I'll save literal kilobits of bandwidth on thorns server
2020-11-09T16:21:53 < Steffanx> and it looks better..
2020-11-09T16:22:03 < englishman> that I can replace with tracking cookies, SEO text and popups and other web69.0 shit
2020-11-09T16:22:47 < englishman> a massive gdpr popup with 9000 checkboxes
2020-11-09T16:23:34 < englishman> allow only essential cookies for worksonmymachine
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2020-11-09T17:22:53 < zyp> anybody used the remote editing stuff in vscode much?
2020-11-09T17:27:50 < zyp> I've used both the ssh and the container remote plugins, and they both work great for editing remote files as if they were local
2020-11-09T17:29:07 < qyx> no, sshfs only, forks great, as if the files were local
2020-11-09T17:29:11 < qyx> *works
2020-11-09T17:29:17 < zyp> but I'm missing a way to keep files both locally and remotely
2020-11-09T17:30:44 < zyp> e.g. one of my remotes is the ARM devboard I'm testing on, which is wiped every time I write a new image to it
2020-11-09T17:31:56 < zyp> i.e. I'd like to keep stuff locally, but every time I edit and save it I'd want a remote copy saved too
2020-11-09T17:33:13 < zyp> I could of course use sshfs or some other remote system to share the locally stored source with the devboard, but mounting that way sounds backwards and undesireable
2020-11-09T17:33:43 < funky> put it in version control?
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2020-11-09T17:34:50 < zyp> no, I wanna sync minor edits too, not just commit worthy stuff
2020-11-09T17:36:32 < qyx> what about dropbox
2020-11-09T17:37:07 < mawk> sshfs meh
2020-11-09T17:37:09 < mawk> too slow
2020-11-09T17:37:13 < mawk> I use nf
2020-11-09T17:37:16 < mawk> nfs
2020-11-09T17:37:32 < mawk> yeah dropbox type of stuff is what you need zyp 
2020-11-09T17:37:36 < mawk> listen to qyx now that he has a great idea
2020-11-09T17:38:02 < zyp> meh
2020-11-09T17:39:17 < Steffanx> VSC must have a file sync extension for this..
2020-11-09T17:39:39 < Steffanx> like https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=CatStarwind.filesync ?
2020-11-09T17:39:54 < Steffanx> although this might be a bit windowish
2020-11-09T17:41:15 < Steffanx> not sure how fast it is and if it even works though
2020-11-09T17:42:25 < qyx> marketplace sounds $$
2020-11-09T17:43:35 < steve_> zyp backup the files before flashing a new image?
2020-11-09T17:43:55 < jpa-> zyp: how about rsync + inotify, so that it will copy files to target whenever the local files are updated?
2020-11-09T17:44:42 < jpa-> (or even just scp + inotify)
2020-11-09T17:44:51 < zyp> tons of ways to solve it, was just hoping there were a turnkey solution in vscode that I didn't know about
2020-11-09T17:45:00 < jpa-> yeah
2020-11-09T17:45:11 < jpa-> i usually just have a build command copy the files over
2020-11-09T17:46:37 < jpa-> https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/troubleshooting#_using-rsync-to-maintain-a-local-copy-of-your-source-code   they have this in faq
2020-11-09T17:47:14 < jpa-> which kind of sounds like there is no built-in way
2020-11-09T17:48:20 < zyp> yeah, I also found that after I asked
2020-11-09T17:49:28 < englishman> i like syncthing
2020-11-09T17:49:57 < englishman> i use it for a lot of things, both syncing and archiving
2020-11-09T17:50:06 < BrainDamage> +1 for syncthing
2020-11-09T17:50:15 < BrainDamage> it doesn't even feel like open sauce
2020-11-09T17:50:35 < englishman> yeah, it actually works
2020-11-09T17:50:39 < Steffanx> LIES
2020-11-09T17:52:09 < BrainDamage> also, for single-file remote editing I use rmate, it's quite helpful
2020-11-09T17:52:37 < BrainDamage> it uses the existing ssh connection to pipe back the file, which opens in your gui desktop editor and writes back to the remote
2020-11-09T17:52:55 < BrainDamage> it's much more useful than remote editing because eg you can use it with sudo
2020-11-09T17:53:20 < BrainDamage> and you don't need to navigate the remote path again, it's usually what you have there in the shell
2020-11-09T17:53:33 < englishman> like winscp
2020-11-09T17:53:54 < steve_> I also use SyncThing it works.  But if wiping the image you'd have to configure the syncing, which probably can be automated but with a few steps grabbing the UUID
2020-11-09T17:55:05 < steve_> also I'm paranoid about files getting deleted by syncthing
2020-11-09T17:55:21 < BrainDamage> you can configure syncthing to have revision control
2020-11-09T17:55:21 < qyx> why, they are in VCS too
2020-11-09T17:55:46 < BrainDamage> also, I sync generally the vcs dir with synthing
2020-11-09T17:56:16 < BrainDamage> so I have a shared repo to push to, it's just a dir in my hd instead of a remote url
2020-11-09T17:56:23 < steve_> yeah but if the "trashcan" gets emptied I might not see I lost something until too late.  Probably wont happen
2020-11-09T17:58:11 < steve_> Internet says don't use syncing eg. dropbox/syncthing with git, don't understand but I think if I'm the only repo user it should be ok
2020-11-09T17:58:52 < BrainDamage> don't sync the git dir, just make a bare repo and sync that one
2020-11-09T17:58:59 < BrainDamage> and make a repo for each person
2020-11-09T17:59:10 < BrainDamage> then it's like distributed github
2020-11-09T17:59:27 < BrainDamage> mkdir my-repo; cd my-repo; git init --bare
2020-11-09T17:59:39 < BrainDamage> that inside dropbox
2020-11-09T17:59:58 < BrainDamage> then from your local hd, git remote add syncthing /path/to/dir
2020-11-09T18:00:03 < BrainDamage> that's it
2020-11-09T18:00:10 < BrainDamage> repeat for every person
2020-11-09T18:00:27 < BrainDamage> then each person has a dir there where you can clone/fetch from
2020-11-09T18:00:40 < BrainDamage> and you push to your repo
2020-11-09T18:01:10 < steve_> and the bare repo is synced with syncthing to all users?
2020-11-09T18:01:13 < BrainDamage> no file conflict will ever happen because everyone works on diff paths
2020-11-09T18:01:15 < BrainDamage> yes
2020-11-09T18:01:51 < BrainDamage> remember to make a bare repo for each person and you're set
2020-11-09T18:03:08 < BrainDamage> a slightly more advanced setup is to make a diff syncthing synced folder for everyone, with only the person allowed write, and all others read only
2020-11-09T18:03:11 < BrainDamage> to prevent mistakes
2020-11-09T18:05:12 < steve_> yeah.. bit over my head.  so basically don't sync git repos with teammates
2020-11-09T18:06:08 < BrainDamage> the long and short version is: only one person should be allowed to write to a repo
2020-11-09T18:06:09 < steve_> but thanks for restating that, I also read about the bare repo thing.  To me it is not intuitive, needs to be drilled in
2020-11-09T18:06:23 < BrainDamage> but any amount can read
2020-11-09T18:06:28 < BrainDamage> then there's no conflicts
2020-11-09T18:06:59 < BrainDamage> everything else is a consequence of that
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2020-11-09T18:37:24 < BrainDamage> https://www.ucf.edu/news/a-second-cable-fails-at-nsfs-arecibo-observatory-in-puerto-rico/ the slow running cascading failure
2020-11-09T18:37:25 < jpa-> steve_: i have filesystem snapshots every 15 min to guard against accidental removes
2020-11-09T18:47:14 < steve_> jpa- slowly getting to that point, using restic+b2.
2020-11-09T18:47:28 < steve_> do you snapshot only a "master" or all the synced devices?
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2020-11-09T19:09:17 < jpa-> steve_: well, i snapshot my computers; so far haven't synced to other devices, but if i did i wouldn't snapshot them
2020-11-09T19:09:22 < jpa-> i just snapshot the whole /home
2020-11-09T19:09:39 < jpa-> (using btrfs snapshots)
2020-11-09T19:10:57 < steve_> sounds right
2020-11-09T19:16:09 < qyx> rip zyp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DopB8CtSn3E
2020-11-09T19:22:51 < Streaker> do they still own the land, now that its at the bottom of the sea?
2020-11-09T19:24:26 < Mangy_Dog> Having FreeRTOS problems, Have i declared this thread wrong some how? https://pastebin.com/G5MuUvKE  , Really a basic setup to have a nonblocking buzzer sounder. For some reason when the xTaskCreate call runs in the setup(), it seems to hang the program. So have i declared it wrong?
2020-11-09T19:36:16 < qyx> I don't understand
2020-11-09T19:36:45 < qyx> do you have your memmang working?
2020-11-09T19:36:58 < Mangy_Dog> memmang?
2020-11-09T19:37:05 < qyx> is the runbuzzer non null after calling xTaskCreate?
2020-11-09T19:37:13 < qyx> in freertos, you have to choose one of the memory managers
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2020-11-09T19:37:26 < Mangy_Dog> hmm 
2020-11-09T19:37:26 < qyx> xTaskCreate needs a memory manager to allocate task control block
2020-11-09T19:37:53 < Mangy_Dog> where would i check to see whats set>?
2020-11-09T19:37:55 < qyx> there are files heap_1.c, heap_2.c, etc.
2020-11-09T19:38:04 < qyx> you have to compile one of them
2020-11-09T19:38:35 < qyx> and depending on that you may need to initialize it first
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2020-11-09T19:38:57 < qyx> I am using freertos with libopencm3 and newlibs malloc/free
2020-11-09T19:39:09 < qyx> so I am using heap_3.c, which is a wrapper around malloc/free
2020-11-09T19:39:51 < englishman> im interviewing tomorrow at a company, one of the guys invited to the interview previously had my position at the company i'm currently at
2020-11-09T19:39:55 < englishman> this will be interesting
2020-11-09T19:40:30 < englishman> he was here 10 years, and did some very good work but i still get to fix all his bugs :)
2020-11-09T19:41:25 < Mangy_Dog> qyx i found the files but what do you mean compile them? Im also using the pre"built" freeRTOS900 that comes included with the libmaple (rogerclark) core
2020-11-09T19:43:16 < Mangy_Dog> ive also been able to create and run other tasks without trouble
2020-11-09T19:43:18 < Mangy_Dog> its just this one
2020-11-09T19:43:23 < Mangy_Dog> im having trouble with
2020-11-09T19:43:40 < qyx> I am reading some unknwon words
2020-11-09T19:44:00 < qyx> then idk whats wrong
2020-11-09T19:44:21 < qyx> but hey, what
2020-11-09T19:44:42 < qyx> do you cal vTaskSuspend and then you are letting it go?
2020-11-09T19:44:57 < qyx> your task will never resume
2020-11-09T19:45:07 < qyx> the first reasong is you are not calling resume
2020-11-09T19:45:23 < qyx> another one, even if you called it, your task will end
2020-11-09T19:45:25 < Mangy_Dog> the resume is triggered when i call beep()
2020-11-09T19:45:35 < qyx> how do you call beep?
2020-11-09T19:45:53 < Mangy_Dog> beep (number of beeps, length of beep);
2020-11-09T19:46:09 < Mangy_Dog> its in the paste
2020-11-09T19:46:10 < qyx> I know, but where from
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2020-11-09T19:46:20 < Mangy_Dog> where ever i need to
2020-11-09T19:46:25 < Mangy_Dog> anywhere in the program
2020-11-09T19:46:41 < qyx> so it is not there
2020-11-09T19:46:46 < Mangy_Dog> ?
2020-11-09T19:46:52 < qyx> I cannot see it
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2020-11-09T19:46:59 < qyx> don't you call it from an interrupt by any chance?
2020-11-09T19:47:05 < Mangy_Dog> its IN the paste
2020-11-09T19:47:13 < Mangy_Dog> not the call the function
2020-11-09T19:47:26 < Mangy_Dog> not interrupt
2020-11-09T19:47:34 < Mangy_Dog> but i wil be putting it in my button check polling
2020-11-09T19:47:44 < Mangy_Dog> thats where most of the beeps will come from
2020-11-09T19:47:47 < qyx> the beep function is defined on line 19
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2020-11-09T19:48:07 < qyx> I don't see how is it used, but nvm
2020-11-09T19:48:22 < qyx> either way, you cannot exit the thread function
2020-11-09T19:48:41 < Mangy_Dog> oh wait
2020-11-09T19:48:42 < qyx> it doesn't work the way you are expecting
2020-11-09T19:48:44 < Mangy_Dog> good catch
2020-11-09T19:48:55 < Mangy_Dog> that needs to be in a while loop
2020-11-09T19:49:01 < qyx> yes
2020-11-09T19:49:22 < Mangy_Dog> let me see if thats whats causing the hang
2020-11-09T19:49:29 < qyx> besides that, I would do it using a semaphore or direct-to-task notifications
2020-11-09T19:49:37 < qyx> instead of suspending/resuming the task
2020-11-09T19:50:07 < Mangy_Dog> not entirely sure what you mean but running beeps outside of its own thread means it would block other things
2020-11-09T19:50:18 < Mangy_Dog> theres a lot of paralell processes going on
2020-11-09T19:50:29 < qyx> it would not
2020-11-09T19:50:31 < Mangy_Dog> (in so much an rtos shares processes)
2020-11-09T19:51:20 < qyx> your task may be in a blocked state (eg. waiting for a semaphore)
2020-11-09T19:51:38 < Mangy_Dog> im sorry im not sure what a semaphore is
2020-11-09T19:51:58 < qyx> so I would start with studying RTOS primitives
2020-11-09T19:52:13 < qyx> the thing is you doesn't have to suspend tasks to let others run
2020-11-09T19:52:37 < qyx> better to say, you shouldn't suspent
2020-11-09T19:53:07 < Mangy_Dog> well if i dont suspend it would constantly run the beep cycle
2020-11-09T19:53:13 < zyp> no
2020-11-09T19:53:36 < qyx> no
2020-11-09T19:53:52 < zyp> the scheduler is responsible for figuring out which task to run when, all you have to do is tell the scheduler the priorities of the tasks and when they need to wait for something to do
2020-11-09T19:54:03 < Mangy_Dog> yes i know that
2020-11-09T19:54:12 < Mangy_Dog> but thats not what this task is doing
2020-11-09T19:54:15 < Mangy_Dog> its a run once type of task
2020-11-09T19:54:19 < Mangy_Dog> triggered only when needed
2020-11-09T19:54:25 < zyp> no, it's not
2020-11-09T19:54:45 < zyp> your beep task should be a loop that's waiting for commands when it's idle
2020-11-09T19:55:14 < zyp> the direct-to-task notifications qyx mentioned is the most lightweight way of doing that
2020-11-09T19:55:23 < zyp> otherwise you could e.g. use a queue
2020-11-09T19:55:36 < Mangy_Dog> what do you mean direct to task?
2020-11-09T19:55:56 < zyp> https://www.freertos.org/RTOS-task-notifications.html
2020-11-09T19:56:16 < qyx> "direct-to-task notification" is a FreeRTOS-specific name
2020-11-09T19:56:22 < qyx> its just a notification
2020-11-09T19:56:35 < zyp> yeah
2020-11-09T19:57:07 < qyx> your task should look like while (evt = wait_wor_event()) { if (evt.something == BEEP) do_the_beep() }
2020-11-09T19:57:25 < zyp> your task would be calling xTaskNotifyWait() or xTaskNotifyTake() when it's out of something to do
2020-11-09T19:57:45 < zyp> and then when another task wants to start a beep, it calls xTaskNotify() or xTaskNotifyGive() to signal that
2020-11-09T19:57:58 < Mangy_Dog> hmm
2020-11-09T19:59:22 < zyp> you might want to try queues first, they may be conceptually easier to wrap your head around, and it's not like the extra overhead matters for your use
2020-11-09T20:00:03 < Mangy_Dog> actually overheads (if you mean ram and rom) are pretty tight at the moment
2020-11-09T20:00:15 < zyp> I meant cpu mostly
2020-11-09T20:00:38 < Mangy_Dog> ah
2020-11-09T20:01:00 < Mangy_Dog> the example code on freertos website is painful to look at :/
2020-11-09T20:01:02 < zyp> I'm using task notifications for workstuff, but I have thousands of those per second
2020-11-09T20:04:18 < zyp> and I'm mostly using it to pass interrupt events to tasks
2020-11-09T20:04:35 < zyp> e.g. ethernet rx and ethernet tx
2020-11-09T20:05:57 < Mangy_Dog> ok that exsample wasnt helpful :/
2020-11-09T20:07:09 < Mangy_Dog> oh wait
2020-11-09T20:08:57 < Mangy_Dog>  youre not talking about outside of freertos... lituraly haveing something like a boolean to say when to trigger. and turn that bool off once its triggered... but that comes back to my first reason behind doing it this way... IE suspending the task . I didnt want the task to jsut endlessly run doing it if statment over and over. Wasting cycles.
2020-11-09T20:09:24 < Mangy_Dog> that might not really harm things in the grand scheme. But just felt like a wasteful way to do it
2020-11-09T20:09:41 < zyp> you're missing the point
2020-11-09T20:10:08 < zyp> calling xTaskNotifyWait() would implicitly put the task to sleep until a notification arrives
2020-11-09T20:10:47 < Mangy_Dog> now im confused, thats not what i thought you just said
2020-11-09T20:10:47 < qyx> actually it is hard to say if waiting for a notification eats more reasources than suspending and resuming the task
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2020-11-09T20:11:12 < Mangy_Dog> oh sorry
2020-11-09T20:11:20 < Mangy_Dog> getting zyps and qyx lines mixed up
2020-11-09T20:11:42 < qyx> I am sorry len(qyx) == len(zyp)
2020-11-09T20:11:51 < Mangy_Dog> :p
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2020-11-09T20:14:05 < qyx> offtopic, how the LSE knows it is stable?
2020-11-09T20:14:10 < qyx> *does
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2020-11-09T20:19:54 < Mangy_Dog> well tbh
2020-11-09T20:20:00 < Mangy_Dog> the task create is still breaking things
2020-11-09T20:20:09 < Mangy_Dog> even if i made the sodding function empy
2020-11-09T20:20:11 < Mangy_Dog> empty
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2020-11-09T20:28:19 < jadew> mawk, precious metal in coins is not wasted
2020-11-09T20:28:24 < jadew> it can easily be recovered
2020-11-09T20:28:43 < jadew> the energy you waste to create cryptocurrency dissipates into space
2020-11-09T20:28:58 < mawk> it dissipates into acoin
2020-11-09T20:29:12 < jadew> can I get the energy back?
2020-11-09T20:29:16 < Mangy_Dog> ok strange
2020-11-09T20:29:23 < Mangy_Dog> it seems its all task creating... bar 1
2020-11-09T20:29:24 < jadew> if no, then the coin itself is worth nothing
2020-11-09T20:33:44 < upgrdman> :) https://i.imgur.com/bUj1WVH.gifv
2020-11-09T20:33:51 < jadew> the reason I don't like crypto is because it's the idea that "so... I'm gonna engage in this pointless activity, that wastes various resources. Let's all agree this has value."
2020-11-09T20:34:11 < jadew> and it's not backed by anything
2020-11-09T20:34:18 < jadew> it can go to 0, at any point
2020-11-09T20:34:21 < aandrew> upgrdman: never gets old
2020-11-09T20:34:28 < upgrdman> inorite
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2020-11-09T20:34:50 < jadew> lol
2020-11-09T20:35:05 < Mangy_Dog> ok wtf
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2020-11-09T20:35:11 < jadew> is that remote controlled?
2020-11-09T20:35:15 < Mangy_Dog> even that "bar 1" is no longer working
2020-11-09T20:35:17 < upgrdman> dunno
2020-11-09T20:36:49 < mawk> it's not really about agreeing it has value I think jadew 
2020-11-09T20:36:57 < mawk> it's just to secure the chain
2020-11-09T20:37:09 < mawk> it's the only way we know now to eliminate trust completely
2020-11-09T20:38:05 < jadew> so crypto is trust that it's protected against inflation?
2020-11-09T20:38:36 < mawk> what do you mean?
2020-11-09T20:38:44 < mawk> the trust is eliminated for the book keeping
2020-11-09T20:38:56 < mawk> pair trading isn't built in the protocol
2020-11-09T20:39:09 < mawk> that's something orthogonal
2020-11-09T20:39:10 < jadew> ah, I thought you meant trust that 1 coin = 1 coin
2020-11-09T20:39:33 < mawk> ah no
2020-11-09T20:39:45 < jadew> IMO, that's the biggest feature of crypto
2020-11-09T20:39:55 < jadew> the government can't make more, to steal from you
2020-11-09T20:39:58 < mawk> yeah
2020-11-09T20:40:00 < mawk> it's capped
2020-11-09T20:40:23 < jadew> but I think its biggest flaw is that it's not tied to something physical
2020-11-09T20:40:25 < mawk> and some, unlike btc, have all attributes of real coins
2020-11-09T20:40:29 < jadew> something with intrinsic value
2020-11-09T20:40:34 < mawk> they're undistinguishable, anonymous, etc
2020-11-09T20:41:07 < mawk> well the energy not being extractible from the coin doesn't mean the energy isn't there
2020-11-09T20:41:10 < mawk> it's just locked
2020-11-09T20:41:15 < mawk> but that's not really important
2020-11-09T20:41:32 < mawk> euro is a debt acknowledgment, it's not based on something real either
2020-11-09T20:41:44 < jadew> well, it kinda is, because the only reason currencies have value is because countries have gold reserves
2020-11-09T20:41:51 < mawk> not for euro
2020-11-09T20:41:57 < mawk> or at least, in theory
2020-11-09T20:42:05 < mawk> but it's redeemable for gold anymore
2020-11-09T20:42:10 < mawk> it's notù
2020-11-09T20:42:13 < mawk> *
2020-11-09T20:42:17 < jadew> ah, that's not what I'm saying
2020-11-09T20:42:29 < jadew> when currency plummets, like it happened with the GBP
2020-11-09T20:42:34 < jadew> when brexit was voted
2020-11-09T20:42:52 < jadew> the government starts dumping gold, in order to buy its own currency
2020-11-09T20:43:00 < mawk> but that's something external
2020-11-09T20:43:06 < jadew> that way it keeps the value steady and prevents a complete economical crash
2020-11-09T20:43:14 < mawk> a government could start dumping ethereum to increase his bitcoin's reserves price
2020-11-09T20:43:21 < jadew> yeah, but in the end, there's gold behind government backed currency
2020-11-09T20:43:24 < mawk> it works with any two traded pairs
2020-11-09T20:43:37 < mawk> well then you mean the issue is that btc isn't backed by a government
2020-11-09T20:43:42 < mawk> isn't guaranteed by a fund
2020-11-09T20:43:50 < mawk> for btc that's true, but some cryptos are backed
2020-11-09T20:43:57 < jadew> exactly, and has no intrinsic value, like a gold coin would have
2020-11-09T20:44:50 < mawk> well in your depiction euro has no intrisinc value either, it's secondary value coming from the fact a government somwhere on earth promised to buy it back with gold
2020-11-09T20:44:58 < mawk> but that's not a contract with the ECB
2020-11-09T20:45:18 < jadew> mawk, I wonder if the same process still applies tho
2020-11-09T20:45:30 < mawk> for backed cryptos?
2020-11-09T20:45:36 < jadew> for EUR
2020-11-09T20:45:47 < jadew> and if it does apply, who does the dumping?
2020-11-09T20:45:55 < mawk> they just print more
2020-11-09T20:45:57 < mawk> that's what the ECB does
2020-11-09T20:46:52 < mawk> or they do QE
2020-11-09T20:46:58 < mawk> but it's still all financial voodoo
2020-11-09T20:47:01 < mawk> it's not backed by something tangible
2020-11-09T20:47:19 < mawk> compared to this, a btc being X kWh is closer to gold than € is*
2020-11-09T20:48:11 < mawk> but anyway yeah it's just a side effect, btc isn't intended to be backed by anything
2020-11-09T20:48:12 < jadew> I suppose that once it gets adopted, it's also backed by tangible goods
2020-11-09T20:48:18 < mawk> its rarity makes its value
2020-11-09T20:48:29 < mawk> it's an object by itself, in the form of a ownership certificate, aka your private keys
2020-11-09T20:48:49 < mawk> the fact it's virtual doesn't diminish its value as a currency
2020-11-09T20:48:59 < mawk> the more worrying thing is the volatility and the time it takes to confirm transactions
2020-11-09T20:49:09 < mawk> now with instant SEPA wires, btc is mega slow
2020-11-09T20:49:15 < mawk> like one hour, and if you're generous with TX fees
2020-11-09T20:49:26 < mawk> if you give small TX fee you can wait all night
2020-11-09T20:49:45 < jadew> and it's going to keep getting slower, right?
2020-11-09T20:49:57 < mawk> I'm not sure, the protocol has been thought for that
2020-11-09T20:50:03 < mawk> the difficulty gets lower when the network gets sloer
2020-11-09T20:50:06 < mawk> and conversely
2020-11-09T20:50:30 < mawk> probably it's like one block each 10 minutes, at the current rate; and you need ~6 blocks to say a tx has been confirmed, so that's 1h
2020-11-09T20:50:54 < mawk> if all miners exit the game then it will be profitable again to mine using your home pc, and the hashrate will go high again
2020-11-09T20:51:10 < mawk> or not using your home pc but using cheap mining rigs whose price will have collapsed
2020-11-09T20:53:11 < mawk> I make 28€/year mining monero, at the current rate
2020-11-09T20:53:29 < mawk> they made an ASIC-resistant protocol to keep small players in the mining game
2020-11-09T20:54:01 < jadew> that's after paying the current bill?
2020-11-09T20:54:06 < mawk> lol
2020-11-09T20:54:16 < mawk> it's a dedicated server, I already rent it for a flate rate each month
2020-11-09T20:54:20 < mawk> so it's 28€/year for free
2020-11-09T20:54:31 < mawk> but if you don't like wasting power jadew some other cryptos have been trying to use a different kind of protocol to confirm transactions
2020-11-09T20:54:41 < mawk> like proof of stake, it's "big players" that get to confirm transactions
2020-11-09T20:54:49 < mawk> with all kind of mitigations to prevent things like "rich get richer"
2020-11-09T20:54:55 < mawk> and that's free in terms of kWh
2020-11-09T20:54:56 < jadew> mawk, what's stopping you from doing this 100x times
2020-11-09T20:54:59 < jadew> ?
2020-11-09T20:55:11 < mawk> doing what?
2020-11-09T20:55:19 < jadew> 28 eur/yr
2020-11-09T20:55:25 < mawk> I would need 100 servers
2020-11-09T20:55:39 < mawk> which I pay 40€/month a piece already
2020-11-09T20:56:13 < jadew> and the 28 eur is profit or total?
2020-11-09T20:56:45 < mawk> well profit, since I don't pay for the extra electricity
2020-11-09T20:56:51 < jadew> I see
2020-11-09T20:56:53 < mawk> it's all unused processing power
2020-11-09T20:56:59 < mawk> I set the mining program to stop mining when I need to cpu
2020-11-09T20:57:17 < mawk> it was popular at some point to replace annoying ads with js monero miners to make money like this instead
2020-11-09T20:57:21 < mawk> but now it's seen as malware by browsers
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2020-11-09T20:57:24 < mawk> too bad
2020-11-09T20:57:44 < jadew> sounds like malware too
2020-11-09T20:57:46 < mawk> lol
2020-11-09T20:57:48 < jadew> :)
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2020-11-09T20:58:01 < mawk> it's better than ads
2020-11-09T20:58:51 < mawk> also 28€/year is an average
2020-11-09T20:58:59 < mawk> I will get nothing ten years, then 280€ one year
2020-11-09T20:59:01 < mawk> or something like this
2020-11-09T20:59:43 < mawk> but it's way more than 280€, I think the reward is 5000€
2020-11-09T21:00:01 < mawk> it's random
2020-11-09T21:00:19 < mawk> that's why people organize into pools to split profits equally when one wins the lottery, all his pals get an equal share
2020-11-09T21:00:38 < mawk> as a ratio of the hashing power they offer to the pool
2020-11-09T21:00:47 < englishman> howcome digikey's pcb builder https://www.digikey.ca/en/pcb-builder/ is clearly reselling from allpcb, etc. but wants $700usd for $10 of china pcbs
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2020-11-09T21:06:12 < zyp> they want the other $690
2020-11-09T21:07:15 < englishman> quickly becoming a shady fly by night enterprise
2020-11-09T21:08:25 < zyp> hmm, I need to pick up a CR1225
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2020-11-09T21:09:29 < zyp> setting up this imx7 devboard for some unattended testing and I wanna log/timestamp stuff, and I'm not sure it'd have internet for NTP where it's going
2020-11-09T21:10:00 < zyp> but there's a battery socket for the RTC, so I guess that'll work out
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2020-11-09T21:19:12 < qyx> Mangy_Dog: you cannot leave the task function empty
2020-11-09T21:19:24 < qyx> you need at least while (true) { vTaskDelay(1000); }
2020-11-09T21:20:37 < qyx> the vTaskDelay is important, you may use whatever you like but this is probably the simplest way of putting the task to sleep to let other tasks run
2020-11-09T21:21:26 < qyx> idk if returning from a task function is even a defined behaviour
2020-11-09T21:21:42 < qyx> you should do vTaskDelete(NULL) to commit suicide if you insisnt on doing so
2020-11-09T21:22:12 < Mangy_Dog> qyx yeah
2020-11-09T21:22:13 < srk> or vTaskSuspend(NULL)
2020-11-09T21:22:14 < Mangy_Dog> thats in there
2020-11-09T21:22:17 < qyx> but in this case your task will be marked to be garbage collected and freed later by the idle task
2020-11-09T21:22:38 < qyx> (if your idle task is not allowd to run, it will be never freed)
2020-11-09T21:23:18 < qyx> another issue with creating/deleting tasks is possible heap fragmentation
2020-11-09T21:23:55 < Mangy_Dog> tbh
2020-11-09T21:24:14 < Mangy_Dog> right now im struggling with getting even xtaskcreate to work without hanging the mcu :/
2020-11-09T21:24:34 < Mangy_Dog> even one of the tasks that was working earlier in the day is hanging now
2020-11-09T21:24:36 < Mangy_Dog> and i have no idea why
2020-11-09T21:25:28 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnIeONEcSGc thats not yours is it Mangy_Dog?
2020-11-09T21:25:42  * Mangy_Dog cries
2020-11-09T21:25:44 < Mangy_Dog> no it isnt
2020-11-09T21:26:26 < Mangy_Dog> https://www.therpf.com/forums/threads/my-working-stargate-miniature.328766/page-4#post-5130556
2020-11-09T21:26:31 < Mangy_Dog> my stargate is in a state of limbo
2020-11-09T21:26:48 < Mangy_Dog> having a serious issue with warped resin parts
2020-11-09T21:27:21 < Steffanx> awh\
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2020-11-09T22:08:00 < hsce1_> Hi, on chibios when receiving data on a uart it reports SD_NOISE_ERROR. Is this actual noise in the line or can it be some misconfiguration?
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2020-11-09T22:11:53  * qyx testing in a thermal chamber https://bin.jvnv.net/file/4pfvz.JPG
2020-11-09T22:14:11 < zyp> nice
2020-11-09T22:14:22 < Steffanx> :)
2020-11-09T22:14:43 < zyp> we did something similar for work, except we got a cheap freezer, a PID controller and a heating element
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2020-11-09T22:19:29 < zyp> hmm, wtf
2020-11-09T22:20:39 < zyp> so I've configured the imx7 to run dhcp client on eth0, dhcp server on eth1 with the intention to make its own dedicated network for the camera
2020-11-09T22:21:41 < zyp> hooking the camera on the eth0 network still works like it always did
2020-11-09T22:22:11 < zyp> hooking the camera to the eth1 network results in it finding the camera, but streaming from it fails
2020-11-09T22:22:46 < zyp> hooking my laptop to the eth1 network lets my laptop stream from it
2020-11-09T22:22:47 < zyp> so wtf
2020-11-09T22:22:49 < qyx> uhm, not routing multicast?
2020-11-09T22:23:14 < zyp> I was of the impression that everything but discovery is unicast
2020-11-09T22:23:16 < zyp> and discovery works
2020-11-09T22:23:22 < zyp> parameter access works
2020-11-09T22:23:34 < zyp> but the gstreamer source element does not
2020-11-09T22:23:36 < qyx> I would check the stream with wireshrak
2020-11-09T22:23:56 < zyp> good idea
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2020-11-09T22:56:19 < qyx> hm, stm32flash no worky over cp2102n?
2020-11-09T22:56:46 < zyp> hrm, the yocto stuff doesn't include tcpdump or anything
2020-11-09T22:57:55 < qyx> and when you attach your laptop to eth1 network?
2020-11-09T22:58:00 < zyp> I don't really feel like jumping through hoops to get wireshark running tonight
2020-11-09T22:58:08 < zyp> that works
2020-11-09T22:58:47 < zyp> oh, I also tried plugging eth0 and eth1 into the same switch (so that eth0 also get an ip on the same network)
2020-11-09T22:58:50 < qyx> yes, but wiresharking
2020-11-09T22:58:51 < zyp> also doesn't work
2020-11-09T22:58:57 < zyp> ah
2020-11-09T22:59:00 < qyx> on your laptop
2020-11-09T22:59:03 < qyx> when it works
2020-11-09T22:59:36 < zyp> not sure it's interesting to look at a capture of it working
2020-11-09T22:59:50 < qyx> yes it is
2020-11-09T22:59:58 < qyx> to find out if it communicates using multicast
2020-11-09T23:00:04 < qyx> most of the ip cameras do
2020-11-09T23:00:21 < qyx> they fetch rtsp using http and then the stream goes over rtp multicast or similar
2020-11-09T23:00:29 < zyp> this is gige vision, not rtp
2020-11-09T23:00:38 < qyx> I know
2020-11-09T23:01:46 < zyp> okay, here's another data point
2020-11-09T23:02:07 < zyp> only eth1 (and camera) plugged in the switch: no worky
2020-11-09T23:02:25 < zyp> plugging eth0 into the same switch so it gets assigned an ip from eth1: still no worky
2020-11-09T23:02:44 < zyp> unplugging eth1, letting eth0 keep the ip eth1 assigned: works
2020-11-09T23:03:32 < qyx> uhm, are you trying to set IPs from the same subnets on two interfaces?
2020-11-09T23:03:49 < zyp> no
2020-11-09T23:04:03 < qyx> 22:02 < zyp> unplugging eth1, letting eth0 keep the ip eth1 assigned: works
2020-11-09T23:04:05 < qyx> how so
2020-11-09T23:04:09 < zyp> I mean, yes I also tried that, but that's not the goal
2020-11-09T23:04:19 < zyp> so, uh
2020-11-09T23:04:22 < qyx> eth1 must be configured with an IP from net1 in order to provide dhcp
2020-11-09T23:04:32 < qyx> you allow ath0 to act as a client
2020-11-09T23:04:36 < zyp> yes, obviously
2020-11-09T23:04:37 < qyx> getting Ip from the same net1
2020-11-09T23:04:43 < qyx> so your routing is flawed
2020-11-09T23:04:57 < qyx> it starts working when you put one interface down
2020-11-09T23:05:05 < qyx> eg. with unplugging
2020-11-09T23:05:30 < zyp> no, it started working when I specifically took eth1 down
2020-11-09T23:05:44 < qyx> thats what I have written
2020-11-09T23:05:49 < qyx> 22:04 < qyx> it starts working when you put one interface down
2020-11-09T23:05:52 < zyp> eth0 did not have an ip from that subnet in the first place
2020-11-09T23:06:12 < qyx> hm, you said that
2020-11-09T23:06:16 < qyx> letting eth0 keep the ip eth1 assigned: works
2020-11-09T23:07:42 < zyp> so the thing is: I tried a bunch of different things to try figure out a pattern of what works and what doesn't
2020-11-09T23:08:02 < qyx> and still didn't check how the camera streams :P
2020-11-09T23:08:34 < zyp> it's unicast, dumb switch doesn't show activity on other ports than camera/imx7
2020-11-09T23:09:14 < qyx> whn it works or when it doesn't?
2020-11-09T23:09:32 < zyp> when it works
2020-11-09T23:09:46 < zyp> also, idk what I did but now it streams over eth1
2020-11-09T23:10:14 < qyx> k, giving up
2020-11-09T23:10:21 < qyx> and my stm32flash still doesn'twork
2020-11-09T23:10:26 < zyp> stopping and restarting, it doesn't
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2020-11-09T23:12:37 < zyp> apparently if I run it successfully on eth0 and then switch back to eth1 it works on the first attempt but not subsequent attempts
2020-11-09T23:12:45 < zyp> I don't know what the fuck is going on
2020-11-09T23:16:18 < karlp> do you have unique macs for both eths?
2020-11-09T23:16:47 < zyp> yeah, they are one number apart
2020-11-09T23:19:13 < qyx> do your imx7 have two ethernet macs?
2020-11-09T23:19:27 < zyp> yes
2020-11-09T23:19:31 < qyx> or is there a 3 port switch between the ports and the cpu
2020-11-09T23:19:40 < qyx> hm
2020-11-09T23:19:44 < zyp> two actual macs
2020-11-09T23:20:00 < qyx> jumbo frame support on both?
2020-11-09T23:20:02 < qyx> and allowed?
2020-11-09T23:20:16 < zyp> mtu on both are left at 1500
2020-11-09T23:20:40 < qyx> it didn't work for me in the past
2020-11-09T23:21:17 < qyx> it may be camera dependent if it is willing to stream with 1500 or not probably
2020-11-09T23:21:21 < zyp> oh, wait
2020-11-09T23:21:25 < zyp> I think I found it
2020-11-09T23:22:16 < zyp> somehow eth1 also got an ipv4 link local addr, and apparently that's getting picked up
2020-11-09T23:22:16 < qyx> my fuking stm32flash still doesn't work
2020-11-09T23:22:19 < zyp> [GvStream::set_socket_filter] source ip = 0x0a230099 - port = 20202 - dest ip = 0xa9fe4166 - port 47316
2020-11-09T23:22:35 < qyx> what is an ipv4 link local
2020-11-09T23:22:45 < zyp> 169.254.blah
2020-11-09T23:22:53 < qyx> apipa? where from? O_o
2020-11-09T23:23:10 < qyx> some mdns shit you are running
2020-11-09T23:24:21 < zyp> idk what assigned it, guess that's the next thing I'll have to track down because removing it solved it
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2020-11-09T23:25:17 < qyx> ok, giving up on stm32flash too
2020-11-09T23:25:27 < qyx> pulling the thing out of enclosure to access swd
2020-11-09T23:27:52 < zyp> hmm, something keeps assigning new link local addrs
2020-11-09T23:28:20 < zyp> I see this in the log:
2020-11-09T23:28:20 < zyp> Nov 09 21:12:07 imx7-var-som avahi-daemon[255]: Registering new address record for 169.254.65.102 on eth1.IPv4.
2020-11-09T23:28:30 < qyx> avahi!
2020-11-09T23:28:30 < zyp> but I think that's just responding to something else adding the addr
2020-11-09T23:29:06 < qyx> does it add it or sets?
2020-11-09T23:29:48 < zyp> the link local addr appears next to the 10.35.0.1 I've configured statically
2020-11-09T23:30:27 < zyp> which is why all other connectivity is sane, aravis is just being dumb and picking up the wrong addr
2020-11-09T23:31:20 < zyp> if I understand it right, it's writing the target addr for the stream into a register on the camera, which is why it's only streaming that doesn't work
2020-11-09T23:31:33 < zyp> register access goes through normal outbound routing and works
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2020-11-09T23:34:07 < qyx> fu#$% the cortex debug connector's pin 10 got touched by antenna pigtail 
2020-11-09T23:34:11 < qyx> it leans towards pin 9
2020-11-09T23:34:21 < qyx> lets guess what happens when those two pins short
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2020-11-09T23:38:49 < zyp> hmm
2020-11-09T23:39:14 < zyp> networkd has a LinkLocalAdressing parameter, it's supposed to default to ipv6 only
2020-11-09T23:40:25 < zyp> yeah, setting it manually makes no difference
2020-11-09T23:40:40 < qyx> networkd?
2020-11-09T23:40:50 < qyx> is systemd managing network?
2020-11-09T23:41:01 < zyp> yes
2020-11-09T23:41:15 < qyx> since when
2020-11-09T23:41:30 < qyx> where is that world heading to
2020-11-09T23:41:31 < zyp> since I told yocto to switch from sysvinit to systemd
2020-11-09T23:41:46 < zyp> eh, idk
2020-11-09T23:42:24 < zyp> I've never used networkd, but so far I like it, it's nice to have both interface conf and dhcpd conf in same file
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2020-11-10T00:13:07 < karlp> does it use dnsmasq behind the scenes, or did they NIH that as well?
2020-11-10T00:13:40 < zyp> looks like NIH
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2020-11-10T00:24:30 < zyp> what the fuck is this: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/YpydP#line-22
2020-11-10T00:25:48 < zyp> nothing about why, and it's fucking configured not to
2020-11-10T00:32:30 < qyx> https://github.com/vmware/photon/issues/800#issuecomment-481456692
2020-11-10T00:32:34 < qyx> did you try? ^
2020-11-10T00:32:49 < BrainDamage> can you show your config?
2020-11-10T00:52:28 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/V2ENi
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2020-11-10T00:53:17 < qyx> is false the same as no?
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2020-11-10T00:55:18 < zyp> true
2020-11-10T00:57:38 < zyp> not sure that parameter does anything at all, considering it still gets an ipv6 link local as well
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2020-11-10T00:59:05 < qyx> it is systemd, I would be expecting anything
2020-11-10T00:59:31 < BrainDamage> https://waifupaste.moe/fUu this is what I use and it works
2020-11-10T00:59:33 < qyx> ipv6 needs link local
2020-11-10T00:59:51 < BrainDamage> nope, it doesn't strictly need it
2020-11-10T00:59:58 < qyx> or maybe not
2020-11-10T01:00:03 < qyx> but apipa is not link local address
2020-11-10T01:00:04 < zyp> not if you don't need ipv6
2020-11-10T01:00:07 < BrainDamage> you can leave it unconfigured, but most things do because it's "free"
2020-11-10T01:00:30 < qyx> apipa is a fully featured globally routable address
2020-11-10T01:01:01 < qyx> idk why they call it that way
2020-11-10T01:01:12 < zyp> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3330.txt
2020-11-10T01:01:50 < BrainDamage> remember also that systemd has a config by default that if an iface has an address, it won't try to change it
2020-11-10T01:01:52 < qyx> hm
2020-11-10T01:02:08 < qyx> ok I was wrong
2020-11-10T01:02:10 < BrainDamage> so since it already has a ipv4 address, it tries to keep it
2020-11-10T01:02:22 < zyp> BrainDamage, no
2020-11-10T01:02:46 < zyp> the link local one is added like a minute after the interface is brought up
2020-11-10T01:03:04 < BrainDamage> weird
2020-11-10T01:03:20 < BrainDamage> can you stick a KeepConfiguration=no just in case?
2020-11-10T01:03:27 < BrainDamage> to turn off that feature?
2020-11-10T01:04:09 < BrainDamage> also, are you sure that only networkd is running? it's not uncommon to be accidentally running multiple network managers
2020-11-10T01:04:17 < BrainDamage> which end up pissing on eachother's foot
2020-11-10T01:05:18 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/l2GcP
2020-11-10T01:05:41 < zyp> connmand maybe?
2020-11-10T01:07:01 < BrainDamage> yes
2020-11-10T01:07:07 < BrainDamage> that's another network manager
2020-11-10T01:07:11 < zyp> okay, let's see if that helps
2020-11-10T01:08:26 < BrainDamage> wpa_supplicant is likely spawned by connmand as well
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2020-11-10T01:35:08 < zyp> okay, guess that was it
2020-11-10T01:35:10 < zyp> thanks
2020-11-10T01:35:27 < zyp> fucking stupid silly issues wasting most of the time
2020-11-10T01:36:04 < qyx> like my bent nRST pin
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2020-11-10T04:14:12 < qyx> I can see some FT232s are supported but I am quite confused which exact parts
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2020-11-10T11:25:28 < qyx> PaulFertser: is the key word here the MPSSE thing?
2020-11-10T11:32:14 < karlp> sweet, got bt uuid 0x999 assigned to us :)
2020-11-10T11:32:34 < karlp> bit more memorable than our snmp enterprise id
2020-11-10T11:33:24 < PaulFertser> qyx: yes
2020-11-10T11:36:06 < PaulFertser> qyx: are you considering something to embed on board?
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2020-11-10T11:37:50 < qyx> PaulFertser: yeah a debug backplane for my boards, an usb->ethernet bridge + hub combo, usb->can and usb->swd for programming
2020-11-10T11:38:08 < PaulFertser> qyx: for swd you need mpsse, ft232r is not supported
2020-11-10T11:38:54 < qyx> ok,going to select the smallest ft* with mpsse then
2020-11-10T11:39:03 < PaulFertser> ft232h it is then
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2020-11-10T11:39:50 < qyx> I was also consiering jlink OB, BMP or getting stlink fw from somewhere
2020-11-10T11:39:58 < qyx> but I guess ft232h is much less work
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2020-11-10T11:43:56 < PaulFertser> qyx: stlink fw is kinda available, yes. BMP is also an option. Both are cheaper.
2020-11-10T11:58:03 < qyx> heh found it
2020-11-10T12:02:17 < tomeaton17> you guys altium a lot here. do you have experience with ui becoming blurry when moving window between different resolution monitors
2020-11-10T12:11:20 < zyp> no
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2020-11-10T12:17:01 < Steffanx> Sounds like some fun with dpi and windows.
2020-11-10T12:17:35 < Steffanx> *dpi scaling
2020-11-10T12:17:57 < Steffanx> Happen to have the screens at different scalings tomeaton17?
2020-11-10T12:18:10 < zyp> fuck, I managed to order the wrong kind of three phase outlets
2020-11-10T12:18:18 < Steffanx> Dont do thast
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2020-11-10T12:18:22 < Steffanx> -s
2020-11-10T12:20:29 < zyp> I just ordered one for 400V/16A, didn't consider the fact that they exist in both 4 and 5 pin variants, i.e. both with and without the N pin
2020-11-10T12:20:40 < zyp> wanted one with, got one without
2020-11-10T12:22:02 < qyx> idk why do they even sell those 4 pin ones for 16 and 32A
2020-11-10T12:22:33 < qyx> here tn-c is not allowed for end appliances
2020-11-10T12:23:11 < qyx> and I am not sure if it is even allowed for any other uses
2020-11-10T12:23:12 < zyp> I don't think it's meant for TN-C, I think it's meant for stuff that doesn't need neutral
2020-11-10T12:23:35 < qyx> here it was used for tn-c
2020-11-10T12:23:51 < qyx> but yes, non-neutral use may be legit
2020-11-10T12:23:52 < zyp> I mean, it can of course be used for TN-C too
2020-11-10T12:23:55 < qyx> but what for, motors only?
2020-11-10T12:24:19 < zyp> the compressor I bought doesn't need neutral
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2020-11-10T12:24:45 < zyp> it has neutral in the plug/cable, but it's terminated inside, not connected to anything
2020-11-10T12:25:03 < qyx> it is only a vfd inside?
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2020-11-10T12:25:28 < zyp> yeah, apparently all the logic is in the VFD
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2020-11-10T12:26:42 < qyx> reimnds me I need 400V outlet too
2020-11-10T12:26:51 < qyx> ideally combined with 230V
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2020-11-10T12:28:37 < zyp> hmm
2020-11-10T12:29:16 < zyp> apparently the supplier doesn't credit returns under 500NOK
2020-11-10T12:29:32 < zyp> so I guess then I just get to keep it :p
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2020-11-10T12:47:30 < mawk> Steffanx: https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/3108380/chinese-surveillance-giant-expanding-us-attracts-scrutiny-over-possible
2020-11-10T12:47:35 < mawk> someone found the exact same piece of code as I did
2020-11-10T12:47:46 < mawk> but he has a twitter account and I don't
2020-11-10T12:47:49 < mawk> so he gets all the fame
2020-11-10T12:47:51 < mawk> fucker
2020-11-10T12:48:22 < Steffanx> Maybe it someome listeing here?
2020-11-10T12:48:50 < mawk> maybe yeah
2020-11-10T12:49:00 < qyx> wasn't me
2020-11-10T12:49:20 < Steffanx> Haha, i was already scrolling through the list, and you are the ony q-guy.
2020-11-10T12:49:23 < Steffanx> onyl.
2020-11-10T12:49:27 < Steffanx> only. lol
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2020-11-10T12:50:01 < Steffanx> Funny note is that your list is even longer mawk :D
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2020-11-10T12:51:22 < mawk> yeah it's from an older version
2020-11-10T12:51:24 < mawk> they trimmed it
2020-11-10T12:51:38 < karlp> mawk: but that enum of race lists is form years ago, when I first saw it at least.
2020-11-10T12:52:23 < mawk> well I gave it like ~1 year ago last time
2020-11-10T12:52:32 < mawk> the list was longer, they trimmed it to only uyghur in new version
2020-11-10T12:56:22 < Steffanx> Awh, the other repo is gone too
2020-11-10T12:56:34 < Steffanx> ohno its not
2020-11-10T12:57:03 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: yes they probably are at different scalings
2020-11-10T12:59:10 < tomeaton17> I hope the only solution is not to make them the same
2020-11-10T13:00:19 < Steffanx> It probably is
2020-11-10T13:00:21 < jadew> you think all these chinese DVRs are pinging home?
2020-11-10T13:01:05 < jadew> if only to let them know the IP where they can be reached
2020-11-10T13:03:34 < Steffanx> Im not sure if its windows or altium that has to be "dpi aware", tomeaton17
2020-11-10T13:03:53 < jadew> altium, windows already is
2020-11-10T13:04:32 < Steffanx> Altium probably picks one and stays with that.
2020-11-10T13:05:51 < tomeaton17> I don't have problems with other apps so I think its altium. Not sure if I will bother with a support ticket as they took 2 months to reply to the last one.
2020-11-10T13:06:39 < Steffanx> Its probably to hard for them to fix anyway
2020-11-10T13:06:53 < Steffanx> *too
2020-11-10T13:07:49 < qyx> do you even have a legit altium?
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2020-11-10T13:10:23 < Steffanx> Mr eaton wouldnt do that mr qyx.
2020-11-10T13:10:26 < tomeaton17> yes I got one from a student programme years ago and they are still renewing it
2020-11-10T13:10:27 < Steffanx> Go illegal.
2020-11-10T13:10:42 < Steffanx> Arent you still a student?
2020-11-10T13:10:49 < BrainDamage> mawk: I remember the story being circulated quite a while ago, but back then it was simply speculation, vs definitive proof
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2020-11-10T13:11:29 < tomeaton17> yes but I haven't given them any details about my course for all they know I could have graduated
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2020-11-10T13:21:03 < mawk> it wasn't speculation BrainDamage 
2020-11-10T13:21:14 < mawk> I pasted source code like a year ago
2020-11-10T13:21:20 < mawk> I just didn't give the full archive because NDA
2020-11-10T13:22:33 < Steffanx> Did the original list include jew or arab?
2020-11-10T13:22:45 < Steffanx> I'd like to see everyone go crazy
2020-11-10T13:26:06 < mawk> no the original list was only ethnicities from inside china
2020-11-10T13:26:13 < mawk> I'll find it when I'm at the office
2020-11-10T13:26:23 < mawk> but it had like urdu, han, uyghur, and all other chinese ethnicities
2020-11-10T13:34:08 < BrainDamage> mawk: I mean there was speculation for chinese doing it since ~5 years
2020-11-10T13:34:23 < mawk> ah yes
2020-11-10T13:34:30 < BrainDamage> I remember reading articles about it
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2020-11-10T13:40:01 < funky> http://git.shunzhi.net/taohd/mycloud/blob/a106242e7d60736199432ca42ab979d5f7c578cb/cloud/dahua/src/main/java/com/example/dahua/lib/NetSDKLib.java
2020-11-10T13:40:15 < funky> yellow, black, white
2020-11-10T13:40:17 < funky> no jew
2020-11-10T13:40:34 < Steffanx> Yellow is funny though
2020-11-10T13:41:00 < Steffanx> I thougth it was a "western" thing to identify an asian as yellow.
2020-11-10T13:41:59 < funky> no brown
2020-11-10T13:43:28 < Steffanx> Would that be you, as an indian?
2020-11-10T13:43:46 < funky> I guess
2020-11-10T13:44:09 < funky> though in some places brown = black
2020-11-10T13:50:53 < funky> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Stoddard_race_map_1920.jpg
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2020-11-10T13:53:17 < BrainDamage> I like staya's giant hole devoid of human life
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2020-11-10T14:01:40 < qyx> any flux pros here
2020-11-10T14:01:51 < qyx> I had a ROLO one, it was good for prototypes an rework
2020-11-10T14:02:34 < englishman> we got some new schmoo at work
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2020-11-10T14:02:44 < englishman> it's awesome as long as you don't get it too hot
2020-11-10T14:02:52 < englishman> I'll get the name today
2020-11-10T14:03:05 < englishman> no more problems with those finicky LGA accels
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2020-11-10T14:04:23 < qyx> the thing is I bought a RMA one last time and it is #$%^
2020-11-10T14:05:14 < qyx> low effect, it gets brownish when heated, there is much hard residue left
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2020-11-10T14:05:38 < qyx> and it is hard to clean in IPA
2020-11-10T14:06:01 < englishman> my old one is like that when it gets too hot
2020-11-10T14:06:13 < englishman> the new one melts and flows away before it burns
2020-11-10T14:07:05 < qyx> I also had a "future hf rework jelly", which was good
2020-11-10T14:07:17 < qyx> ROL0 too
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2020-11-10T14:07:35 < qyx> it is whitish and flows easily
2020-11-10T14:07:53 < qyx> doesn't leave hard residues, very easy to clean
2020-11-10T14:09:57 < BrainDamage> YOL0
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2020-11-10T14:10:54 < BrainDamage> I found that 0.1mm magnet wire enamel is so thing that strips off itself when buried in solder briefly
2020-11-10T14:11:00 < BrainDamage> it's fantastic for rework
2020-11-10T14:12:12 < englishman> yes it's white and flowy
2020-11-10T14:12:17 < englishman> maybe the same then
2020-11-10T14:13:33 < qyx> I should watch the test again
2020-11-10T14:27:07 < jadew> romania hit a new peak today of covid deaths, and one big city is preparing to use buses for transport (for tests for now), because the ambulance service is overwhelmed
2020-11-10T14:30:55 < karlp> we just have people drive trhough a tent themselves...
2020-11-10T14:31:42 < jadew> we have drive throughs as well, but I guess this is for people who don't drive or can't drive
2020-11-10T14:32:51 < karlp> how's a bus changing this? differently skilled driver, but that's it?
2020-11-10T14:33:25 < jadew> I guess the problem is there aren't enough ambulances to drive around to perform the tests
2020-11-10T14:38:03 < qyx> heh we used buses as a mobile test points
2020-11-10T14:38:10 < qyx> *test sites
2020-11-10T14:38:29 < karlp> fuckin hell, ie11 is still shit.
2020-11-10T14:39:16 < jadew> qyx, what kind of flux you want?
2020-11-10T14:39:27 < jadew> you don't want the syringe type?
2020-11-10T14:39:34 < qyx> I want the syringe type
2020-11-10T14:39:54 < jadew> amtech nc-559
2020-11-10T14:40:10 < qyx> this one probably https://www.tme.eu/sk/details/anc559tf/taviva/amtech/nc-559-as/
2020-11-10T14:40:12 < jadew> works great with hot air and soldering iron
2020-11-10T14:40:13 < qyx> yeah
2020-11-10T14:40:14 < jadew> yeah
2020-11-10T14:40:25 < qyx> k, confirmed, thanks
2020-11-10T14:40:32 < qyx> I just watched some youtubes
2020-11-10T14:40:56 < qyx> and I need something for my refillable pen too
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2020-11-10T14:41:38 < jadew> don't know about that, I'm also using some random liquid flux that I keep inside a nail polish bottle
2020-11-10T14:41:51 < jadew> and I apply it with the brush that came with the bottle
2020-11-10T14:41:57 < jadew> that works well too
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2020-11-10T14:48:23 < qyx> I am considering this one https://www.tme.eu/sk/details/rf800_50/taviva/ag-termopasty/art-agt-248/
2020-11-10T14:51:08 < karlp> heh, found a page on "how to do basic js stuff on ie11" still using arrow functions in the solution, which also don't work. good one.
2020-11-10T14:52:17 < jadew> karlp, what do you mean? it's the same as with everything else
2020-11-10T14:53:08 < karlp> no forEach or entries or values.
2020-11-10T14:53:38 < mawk> I talked to him Steffanx 
2020-11-10T14:53:44 < mawk> he gave me the contact of journalist
2020-11-10T14:53:44 < Steffanx> aha
2020-11-10T14:53:52 < Steffanx> haha
2020-11-10T14:54:04 < Steffanx> But how did he find it? 
2020-11-10T14:54:17 < Steffanx> ##stm32 spy or .. ?
2020-11-10T14:54:27 < jadew> karlp, I think IE11 used ES5
2020-11-10T14:54:35 < jadew> and those are ES6 features
2020-11-10T14:54:53 < jadew> that said, I don't think IE11 is still in use today
2020-11-10T14:54:57 < jadew> is it?
2020-11-10T14:55:27 < karlp> sure it is.
2020-11-10T14:56:00 < karlp> I know they're es6, that' sjust it, someone's provided a "solution" for some es6 fucntions on ie11, implemented, using.... es6 functionality that's not available
2020-11-10T14:56:06 < karlp> so they clearly weren't testing it on ie11
2020-11-10T14:56:53 < jadew> or they're transpiling
2020-11-10T14:57:23 < mawk> on another channel probably Steffanx 
2020-11-10T14:57:30 < mawk> I probably talked about it on ##security or something
2020-11-10T14:57:36 < jadew> karlp, https://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
2020-11-10T14:58:15 < karlp> and?
2020-11-10T14:58:29 < jadew> depends on what you're writing, but if it wasn't something critical, I wouldn't even bother
2020-11-10T15:02:20 < jadew> hmm, https://gs.statcounter.com/ says it's 1%
2020-11-10T15:03:20 < Steffanx> Why does Romania go into full panic mode jadew?
2020-11-10T15:03:31 < Steffanx> Compare https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=the+netherlands+covid to https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=romania+covid
2020-11-10T15:03:34 < jadew> anyway, that number is world-wide, your customers are probably going to be different
2020-11-10T15:03:35 < Steffanx> Not a huuuge difference
2020-11-10T15:04:03 < Steffanx> and we didnt really go into panic mode, yet.
2020-11-10T15:04:50 < jadew> Steffanx, you're at 2.3 deaths/million per day
2020-11-10T15:04:54 < jadew> we're at 9.3
2020-11-10T15:05:03 < jadew> and rising
2020-11-10T15:05:17 < jadew> we're worse than france
2020-11-10T15:05:23 < jadew> which is at 8.4
2020-11-10T15:06:25 < Steffanx> But can you actually compare relative stats like that?  (Sure you can try but .. )
2020-11-10T15:06:49 < jadew> well, it's the number of deaths, they're pretty good indicators
2020-11-10T15:07:29 < Steffanx> And where do you see that number?
2020-11-10T15:07:37 < jadew> I compute it
2020-11-10T15:07:52 < jadew> number of deaths / population_in_millions
2020-11-10T15:08:21 < jadew> *number of deaths today
2020-11-10T15:08:29 < jadew> or in any particular day
2020-11-10T15:08:37 < Steffanx> 146 per 20 million. ~= 117 per 17 million (not exactly, but the difference isnt a huge as you say)
2020-11-10T15:08:41 < jadew> italy at its worse was at about 14/million
2020-11-10T15:08:54 < Steffanx> im looking at current stats, not old stats over MONTHS
2020-11-10T15:09:41 < jadew> what country are you looking at?
2020-11-10T15:09:54 < Steffanx> romania vs dutchland
2020-11-10T15:10:05 < jadew> we had 177 dead today, population = 19 million
2020-11-10T15:10:27 < Steffanx> 19.4M ;)
2020-11-10T15:10:35 < jadew> heh, ok
2020-11-10T15:10:38 < jadew> 19.4
2020-11-10T15:10:51 < jadew> you don't have data for today, but yesterday you had 39
2020-11-10T15:11:11 < jadew> 39 / 17 = 2.3
2020-11-10T15:11:32 < jadew> was that number much higher in the previous days?
2020-11-10T15:11:41 < Steffanx> I just compared the peaks what google showed
2020-11-10T15:11:52 < Steffanx> Yeah, peak of last week was around 130
2020-11-10T15:12:00 < jadew> looks like you had some peaks too
2020-11-10T15:12:03 < Steffanx> *113
2020-11-10T15:12:18 < jadew> it's oscillating stronger over there
2020-11-10T15:12:35 < jadew> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/
2020-11-10T15:12:45 < jadew> see the daily new deaths table
2020-11-10T15:13:40 < jadew> let's take the moving average with a 7 day window and compare that
2020-11-10T15:13:41 < Steffanx> The numbers are weird anyway. I get the idea they use the date of when the death was officially registered, not when the person died.
2020-11-10T15:14:30 < Steffanx> oh, you didnt go to ~0 around the summer lol
2020-11-10T15:14:45 < jadew> we didn't...
2020-11-10T15:14:58 < jadew> we had lots of people coming in from Italy
2020-11-10T15:15:13 < jadew> for the entire duration of the lockdown
2020-11-10T15:15:31 < Steffanx> I wonder how bad is it in bucharest. Here around its bad around amsterdam etc. Amsterdam ~= bucharest in m2 but bucharest as 1M citizens more.
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2020-11-10T15:15:46 < Steffanx> And you romanians dont give a shit really ? :P
2020-11-10T15:15:50 < karlp> hehe, we had country people demanding for less restrictions, "no infections here!"
2020-11-10T15:16:10 < karlp> and the mayor of one town int eh north was even on tv going, "we're such law abiding, clean people here"
2020-11-10T15:16:10 < Steffanx> -around
2020-11-10T15:16:18 < karlp> right now, ~all cases are in that town....
2020-11-10T15:16:30 < jadew> Steffanx, I think bucharest accounts for about 10% of the total deaths in the country
2020-11-10T15:16:38 < Steffanx> Damn, im still not used to my new keyboard, my typos and shit are worse then ever.
2020-11-10T15:16:48 < jadew> but it's also 10% of the population, if not more
2020-11-10T15:17:05 < jadew> karlp, lol
2020-11-10T15:17:26 < jadew> yeah, after the lockdown ended people were like "what covid? look at the numbers, it's gone."
2020-11-10T15:18:11 < jadew> I really think there shouldn't be any restrictions
2020-11-10T15:18:21 < bitmask> what up guys
2020-11-10T15:18:25 < Steffanx> You wont get out of the house anyway? 
2020-11-10T15:18:30 < jadew> Steffanx, exactly
2020-11-10T15:18:38 < jadew> and those who want to go out, they can go catch it faster
2020-11-10T15:18:49 < Mangy_Dog> ok strange
2020-11-10T15:19:00 < Mangy_Dog> my freertos tasks are running as they should
2020-11-10T15:19:03 < Mangy_Dog> sort of
2020-11-10T15:19:13 < Mangy_Dog> even my suspend and resume commands are working as they should
2020-11-10T15:19:22 < Mangy_Dog> which is great
2020-11-10T15:19:28 < Mangy_Dog> but i have 1 strange issue....
2020-11-10T15:19:57 < jadew> Steffanx, for the record I did get out of the house tho, went visiting a mud volcano last week (or maybe it was two weeks ago)
2020-11-10T15:20:17 < Steffanx> How many people did you see there?
2020-11-10T15:20:19 < jadew> it was deserted and the entrance was free, because the employees there had covid, so nobody was working anymore :D
2020-11-10T15:20:22 < Mangy_Dog> My basic task creates are in my setup portion of the program. (yes arduino like enviroment) Any code placed after any xtask creat doesnt get triggered. UNLESS its another xtaskcreate...
2020-11-10T15:20:35 < Mangy_Dog> which i find very confusing
2020-11-10T15:24:34 < jadew> Steffanx, if you take the average, yeah we're not that far away
2020-11-10T15:24:43 < jadew> 4.8 for you, 6.3 for us
2020-11-10T15:24:47 < Steffanx> So why panic mode
2020-11-10T15:25:16 < jadew> it keeps going on
2020-11-10T15:25:18 < jadew> *up
2020-11-10T15:25:48 < jadew> I'm not in panic mode at all, but I think the officials are bracing for what's to come
2020-11-10T15:25:51 < Steffanx> oh, not here
2020-11-10T15:26:18 < jadew> did you look at that graph?
2020-11-10T15:26:43 < jadew> what sort of curve do you get if you draw a line through the peaks of the last 2 months?
2020-11-10T15:27:40 < jadew> you should have some new peaks in the coming days, I guess that will give you some indication of the direction
2020-11-10T15:36:16 < bitmask> I bought a toy :P https://i.imgur.com/n3RudQN.png
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2020-11-10T15:42:22 < qyx> now tell me, do I have 10M 0603?
2020-11-10T15:43:37 < bitmask> yes
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2020-11-10T15:50:47 < jpa-> qyx: yeah, it's in the folder labeled "0603 resistors"
2020-11-10T15:51:57 < qyx> the thing is it is not
2020-11-10T15:52:09 < qyx> I have 3 more boxes with random stuff
2020-11-10T15:58:46 < mawk> I talked with the journalist Steffanx 
2020-11-10T15:59:03 < mawk> "yeah we knew there was a primary source [i.e. me] but we thought it wasn't necessary"
2020-11-10T15:59:08 < mawk> how am I going to get famous with that attitude from people
2020-11-10T16:00:05 < mawk> what does it do bitmask 
2020-11-10T16:00:17 < karlp> 10M?
2020-11-10T16:00:32 < bitmask> hah its just a ball that you can throw and it comes back to you, thought it would be fun while im in bed innovating
2020-11-10T16:01:04 < mawk> I want the same
2020-11-10T16:01:29 < mawk> 10 MΩ ?
2020-11-10T16:02:13 < bitmask> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/flynova-pro-boomerang-spinner-with-endless-tricks#/
2020-11-10T16:03:53 < jadew> how much does the battery lasts?
2020-11-10T16:04:20 < bitmask> says 10-15 min i think, not sure, havent really tried it yet
2020-11-10T16:04:34 < bitmask> it is slightly louder than I hoped but cant really do much about that
2020-11-10T16:07:48 < mawk> it says 30 minutes
2020-11-10T16:07:51 < qyx> interesting, there are 1% and 5% 0R resistors
2020-11-10T16:07:56 < mawk> lol
2020-11-10T16:08:14 < qyx> what should I expect from a 5% 0R?
2020-11-10T16:08:35 < bitmask> mawk, oh really? i just looked at the instruction manual, says 8-10 minutes
2020-11-10T16:08:37 < bitmask> hah
2020-11-10T16:08:44 < bitmask> i'll try it out later, got stuff to do now
2020-11-10T16:08:47 < mawk> they're lying maybe
2020-11-10T16:08:51 < bitmask> of course
2020-11-10T16:08:52 < mawk> on the indiegogo page they say 30 minutes
2020-11-10T16:08:59 < jadew> qyx, it's 0 R ±5%
2020-11-10T16:09:18 < bitmask> I have a bunch of mgn12 rails, what should I use em for
2020-11-10T16:09:18 < qyx> +-5% or what
2020-11-10T16:09:21 < qyx> of the zero?
2020-11-10T16:09:29 < jadew> precisely
2020-11-10T16:09:37 < bitmask> i doubt its - :P
2020-11-10T16:09:54 < jadew> if you get a batch of 100, 50 of them will make current flow faster
2020-11-10T16:10:06 < bitmask> heh
2020-11-10T16:10:27 < jadew> free energy idea right there
2020-11-10T16:10:28 < bitmask> mouser order better come today, i need to get my printer going
2020-11-10T16:12:39 < qyx> full reel of super-precise 1% 0R costs 2.80€
2020-11-10T16:13:50 < qyx> what will I do with a reel of precise zero shit
2020-11-10T16:13:56 < englishman> 1% 0R
2020-11-10T16:15:48 < zyp> so it's a superconductor?
2020-11-10T16:16:15 < jadew> that would be 0% 0
2020-11-10T16:17:23 < jadew> in all seriousness tho, those percentages are about the real value of the resistor
2020-11-10T16:17:30 < jadew> which is obviously non-zero
2020-11-10T16:18:04 < jadew> I guess you could run into one that is 5%, but even at its worst, it could be closer to 0 than a 1% one
2020-11-10T16:18:17 < qyx> and how much is 5% of zero?
2020-11-10T16:18:20 < jadew> in which case you would select them based on how stable you want them to be
2020-11-10T16:18:24 < qyx> may it have 15R?
2020-11-10T16:18:37 < jadew> 5% of 0.010 for example
2020-11-10T16:18:53 < jadew> if the typical value of those resistors is 0.010
2020-11-10T16:18:59 < qyx> hm
2020-11-10T16:19:39 < jadew> it's probably mentioned in the datasheet
2020-11-10T16:20:22 < qyx> I just wasted 15 minutes talking about precision dust
2020-11-10T16:20:25 < qyx> not going to look
2020-11-10T16:22:49 < Steffanx> Welcome on irc qyx
2020-11-10T16:31:26 < bitmask> time to try this lug crimper on this 2 and 4 awg wire
2020-11-10T16:31:49 < bitmask> actually i gotta run to home depot first
2020-11-10T16:35:13 < Steffanx> dont forget your mask your bits
2020-11-10T16:35:21 < Steffanx> *to mask -_-
2020-11-10T16:35:28 < englishman> if you have a 5% 0R does that mean that -5% is possible?
2020-11-10T16:35:53 < englishman> dont tell laurenceb, maybe that is the secret to em:drive
2020-11-10T16:35:54 < Steffanx> Ofcourse.
2020-11-10T16:36:26 < englishman> tbh i only buy 100% 0R
2020-11-10T16:43:37 < BrainDamage> the 5% of 0 is still 0
2020-11-10T16:43:57 < mawk> not where you're a parts seller
2020-11-10T16:44:02 < BrainDamage> so all 0R resistors are superconductors
2020-11-10T16:44:03 < mawk> 1% of 0 is more than 5% of 0
2020-11-10T16:44:07 < mawk> because you gain more money
2020-11-10T16:46:20 < BrainDamage> also, fun fact, center freq for rf stuff is defined using geometric average
2020-11-10T16:46:36 < BrainDamage> so if your radio includes dc, the calc bails out
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2020-11-10T17:16:09 < englishman> well don't they usually give the test condition
2020-11-10T17:16:16 < englishman> and ask you to put in blocking caps if dc dicks with it
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2020-11-10T17:34:14 < englishman> SPIE has a spotify playlist including "Chillin' in the Lab"
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2020-11-10T18:11:52 < bitmask> i had some copper sheet laying around, hopefully these are good enough: https://i.imgur.com/NtcJ19w.png
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2020-11-10T18:14:34 < jadew> it looks like you drilled right through the laptop
2020-11-10T18:15:22 < jadew> extra battery hack
2020-11-10T18:16:23 < bitmask> ha
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2020-11-10T20:27:29 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/eqtVNUA.png
2020-11-10T20:27:30 < bitmask> this is scary :P
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2020-11-10T20:31:26 < Mangy_Dog> :o
2020-11-10T20:31:30 < Mangy_Dog> that does NOT look safe
2020-11-10T20:32:05 < Mangy_Dog> 15 odd Ah?
2020-11-10T20:32:09 < Mangy_Dog> lipo
2020-11-10T20:32:17 < Mangy_Dog> with solid metal plate contacts
2020-11-10T20:32:36 < Mangy_Dog> maybe even 30 Am
2020-11-10T20:32:38 < Mangy_Dog> Ah
2020-11-10T20:32:46 < Mangy_Dog> its hard to tell from scale
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2020-11-10T20:33:56 < bitmask> 8
2020-11-10T20:34:06 < Mangy_Dog> oh really only 8?
2020-11-10T20:34:30 < Mangy_Dog> I have a 5Ah flat pack
2020-11-10T20:34:41 < Mangy_Dog> that i was going to use in my handheld before i moved to 18650
2020-11-10T20:34:47 < bitmask> its a 200A continuous rating
2020-11-10T20:35:14 < Mangy_Dog> looks like its at least half the size of one of those flat pack stacks
2020-11-10T20:35:45 < Mangy_Dog> At first i thought if the same size, the three layed on top makes 15ah then i thought that looks twice as large so maybe up to 30ah
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2020-11-10T20:36:02 < zyp> what are you doing with that?
2020-11-10T20:36:10 < zyp> homemade spot welder?
2020-11-10T20:36:13 < bitmask> attempting to spot weld batteries
2020-11-10T20:36:22 < zyp> ah
2020-11-10T20:36:28 < bitmask> my microwave one didnt work well enough
2020-11-10T20:36:54 < zyp> I just went with chinesium shit from aliexpress, worked perfectly for my use
2020-11-10T20:37:36 < bitmask> i had these batteries already, they were only $3 a cell (from a failed e-Bus company) so I just bought the arduino spot welder boards
2020-11-10T20:37:55 < bitmask> im hoping 3S1P is enough
2020-11-10T20:38:08 < zyp> wouldn't 1S3P work better?
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2020-11-10T20:38:46 < bitmask> the board runs on 12v so id rather not have a second power supply, i do have a spare so if this doesnt work i may do 2s2p
2020-11-10T20:41:46 < kakigate> zyp: does your lights blink when you trigger it?
2020-11-10T20:48:12 < BrainDamage> how are the batteries wired to the bus plates?
2020-11-10T20:48:39 < BrainDamage> welded or bolted?
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2020-11-10T21:00:45 < bitmask> bolted
2020-11-10T21:16:27 < bitmask> i really like these yellow oleds, 
2020-11-10T21:19:07 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/ZR0sqYT.png
2020-11-10T21:22:33 < upgrdman> bitmask, you have a fuse, but draw from the unfused side? :)
2020-11-10T21:23:02 < bitmask> oh shit, you're right hah
2020-11-10T21:23:24 < upgrdman> i guess your 20awg wire is a decent fuse for that battery anyway... :D
2020-11-10T21:23:38 < bitmask> i put a hole in the copper to attach a balance lead and just attached both the balance lead and mcu power to it, i'll put it on the other side
2020-11-10T21:26:47 < bitmask> last decision to make is do I remove the dinse connectors from the welding cables and put lugs or should I just put the female dinse on and keep em
2020-11-10T21:27:05 < bitmask> im not sure if they will fit as is
2020-11-10T21:32:30 < upgrdman> anyone found a PDF reader for windows that they love? sumatrapdf is the one i hate least, but it can be annoying too.
2020-11-10T21:33:01 < upgrdman> i'm tempted to write my own. gpu-accelerated, touchscreen friendly, ability to crop pages, etc.
2020-11-10T21:39:19 < Steffanx> upgrdman. if you add a feature which colours the item on the index you last visited. Then ill love you forever.
2020-11-10T21:39:57 < upgrdman> Steffanx, hmm, good idea
2020-11-10T21:39:59 < Steffanx> I mean i once had a reader on osx that would make the current item in the index blue, the one you visited before that a little lighter blue, and the before that even lighter etc.
2020-11-10T21:40:23 < Steffanx> I loved that because it was very easy to see how you moved around in the pdf
2020-11-10T21:40:43 < Steffanx> then they uppdated the reader and the feature was removed, not sure why
2020-11-10T21:40:53 < upgrdman> ya this is one of those annoyances that i feel like i should finally solve. and i finally know enough about graphics programming that i think i can do it properly.
2020-11-10T21:42:00 < englishman> Adobe Acrobat Reader DC
2020-11-10T21:42:01 < englishman> of course
2020-11-10T21:42:59 < upgrdman> adobe doesn't even support high-res scrolling :/
2020-11-10T21:43:13 < Steffanx> That one isnt amazing... for me it sometime shows a lot of weird artifacts/glitches
2020-11-10T21:43:34 < Steffanx> What is high res scrolling
2020-11-10T21:43:35 < Steffanx> ?
2020-11-10T21:44:00 < upgrdman> Steffanx, some mice (a few logitechs, etc.) can scroll per pixel, not just per line
2020-11-10T21:44:08 < upgrdman> like the wheel is super high resolution
2020-11-10T21:44:43 < Steffanx> i  only scroll per page. because any other way of scrolling in datasheets for example is super annoying.
2020-11-10T21:45:04 < qyx> how so
2020-11-10T21:45:14 < upgrdman> Steffanx, https://youtu.be/D4UEOhJwfJs?t=174
2020-11-10T21:45:20 < upgrdman> qyx, ^
2020-11-10T21:46:00 < qyx> Steffanx: ^
2020-11-10T21:46:11 < Steffanx> qyx: ^
2020-11-10T21:46:32 < qyx> pls
2020-11-10T21:46:40 < qyx> whats wrong with continuous scrolling of datasheets
2020-11-10T21:47:06 < Steffanx> idk, imho its annoying.
2020-11-10T21:47:41 < qyx> meh, iyho
2020-11-10T21:47:47 < Steffanx> thanks
2020-11-10T21:48:03 < qyx> I am not going to prove you are simply wrong
2020-11-10T21:48:29 < Steffanx> Also i like that in fit-mode it scales easily. 
2020-11-10T21:48:47 < Steffanx> but qyx has no 4k screen, he cannot prove me wrong because he doesnt know what i see
2020-11-10T21:49:41 < Steffanx> sometimes there is not "why".
2020-11-10T21:54:19 < Steffanx> one of the reasons might be that scrolling is rather slow in acrobad reader
2020-11-10T21:54:46 < Steffanx> Must say i never looked into the settings if there is actually way to change that
2020-11-10T21:54:54 < qyx> if you used a proper reader, your experience would be awesome
2020-11-10T21:55:08 < Steffanx> what is an awesome reader?
2020-11-10T21:55:19 < Steffanx> dont say foxit
2020-11-10T21:55:59 < qyx> idk, evince works, it starts being slow if you try to scroll on pages > 2000
2020-11-10T21:57:01 < Steffanx> oh, but i mean that it just takes soo many turns of the scroll wheel to move down. 
2020-11-10T21:58:00 < Steffanx> but you're on the lunix wagon ;)
2020-11-10T21:58:36 < qyx> is it the one with nonworking air conditioning?
2020-11-10T22:01:45 < Steffanx> You never know whats broken
2020-11-10T22:02:59 < jpa-> mupdf is fast, but the interface is a bit weird
2020-11-10T22:02:59 < PaulFertser> I was trying to use some "lunix" driver that's in development since 2018 and it went through 29 iterations via the mailing lists review already. Guess what? It compiles, but doesn't work. And userspace that's supposed to work with this driver doesn't compile at all.
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2020-11-10T22:27:41 < englishman> scroll-per-page is the only way to (sc)roll
2020-11-10T22:28:37 < Steffanx>  \o/
2020-11-10T22:28:53 < Steffanx> not if your screen is too small ;)
2020-11-10T22:29:16 < englishman> sounds like someone else's problem
2020-11-10T22:29:29 < PaulFertser> My screen is 1366x768 now. Really nice upgrade from 1024x600.
2020-11-10T22:29:33 < zyp> kakigate, dunno, I did it outside in the middle of the day
2020-11-10T22:30:30 < zyp> and I used the circuit that's otherwise dedicated to car charging
2020-11-10T22:31:12 < englishman> http://rhopkins.us/drbob.tv/documents/a_53r1.pdf
2020-11-10T22:31:17 < englishman> 1080p is now 25 years old
2020-11-10T22:32:50 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/rgu8P.jpg <- new sub panel in the outdoor storage 
2020-11-10T22:34:01 < qyx> idk if I asked in the past, do you have IT or TN?
2020-11-10T22:34:12 < zyp> with a three phase circuit for the outlet I'm putting up, and a single phase circuit that I'll use for car charging for the time being, until I'm running a new three phase circuit for the charging too
2020-11-10T22:34:16 < zyp> TN
2020-11-10T22:34:31 < qyx> and whats that 4 module thing?
2020-11-10T22:34:38 < qyx> rcd + overcurrent?
2020-11-10T22:34:42 < zyp> RCBO
2020-11-10T22:35:06 < zyp> yeah, combined 16A circuit breaker and 30mA RCD
2020-11-10T22:35:28 < zyp> they both are, one three phase and one single phase
2020-11-10T22:35:33 < qyx> and those dlp canals
2020-11-10T22:35:38 < qyx> do they accept 45mm modulles?
2020-11-10T22:35:40 < qyx> -l
2020-11-10T22:35:50 < qyx> no, it looks wider
2020-11-10T22:35:53 < zyp> 45mm? as in normal wall switches and the likes?
2020-11-10T22:36:09 < qyx> no, legrand mosaic-like modules
2020-11-10T22:36:17 < zyp> not familiar with those
2020-11-10T22:36:17 < qyx> those are 45mm
2020-11-10T22:36:37 < qyx> so what does fit in your canal?
2020-11-10T22:36:40 < zyp> this thing is 130mm wide, not sure how big the gap is
2020-11-10T22:37:17 < zyp> they have their own outlets and shit that fits, and then you can also get boxes with standard dimensions to fit whatever you could fit in a normal wall box
2020-11-10T22:37:49 < zyp> pretty much what every vendor does
2020-11-10T22:38:05 < qyx> yeah legrand does that too
2020-11-10T22:38:36 < qyx> but there are also 45mm modules
2020-11-10T22:38:41 < zyp> these just had convenient availability
2020-11-10T22:39:07 < qyx> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/FJXyi.JPG
2020-11-10T22:39:57 < zyp> ah, yeah
2020-11-10T22:40:05 < aandrew> mikrotik spotted
2020-11-10T22:40:08 < aandrew> dongs would be proud
2020-11-10T22:41:03 < qyx> so despite being a bit more expensive you don't need any additional adapters or frames
2020-11-10T22:41:08 < qyx> you can put the modules directly in
2020-11-10T22:41:17 < qyx> so in the end it is cheaper
2020-11-10T22:42:32 < qyx> such modules are also rated for medical/antibact use being flat
2020-11-10T22:47:35 < zyp> oh, huh, they even have CEE outlets that fits in this system
2020-11-10T22:48:40 < zyp> my distributor doesn't have them though
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2020-11-10T22:51:30 < zyp> but yeah, apparently they do indeed support 45mm modules
2020-11-10T22:51:41 < zyp> with another frame around
2020-11-10T22:52:05 < qyx> maybe they even have smaller canals for them to be mounted directly
2020-11-10T22:52:37 < zyp> probably
2020-11-10T22:54:42 < zyp> but I weren't really going for small, I were going for large enough to fit all the cables going into the panel with a decent bending radius
2020-11-10T22:57:30 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/Am8hV5Al514
2020-11-10T22:58:37 < zyp> haha, nice
2020-11-10T23:00:00 < kakigate> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_su5CoC-dKs musics
2020-11-10T23:01:20 < Steffanx> Go away kakigate
2020-11-10T23:01:37 < Steffanx> Heh fancy bike, but the guys back and the wheel :S
2020-11-10T23:01:38  * Mangy_Dog cries as he just wasted the last 2 hours trying to figure out why his dialogue box for his on lcd debug wasnt rendering correctly......... hours.................. the xy coordinance were being cast into uint8_t, sighs. the display width is 320.... Im stupid.....
2020-11-10T23:01:51 < Mangy_Dog> no not two hours
2020-11-10T23:01:53 < Mangy_Dog> 3
2020-11-10T23:01:57 < Mangy_Dog> maybe even at a push 4
2020-11-10T23:01:58 < Steffanx> Shit happens.
2020-11-10T23:01:58 < Mangy_Dog> hours
2020-11-10T23:02:40 < Mangy_Dog> i was liturally debugging out every calculation one at a time and trying to figure out why the numbers were not calculating properly
2020-11-10T23:02:43 < zyp> that's how it is
2020-11-10T23:02:56 < Mangy_Dog> trying different ways to run the calculation
2020-11-10T23:02:59 < Mangy_Dog> really scratchign my head
2020-11-10T23:03:22 < Mangy_Dog> then i liturally just remembered the 8 bit width
2020-11-10T23:04:03 < zyp> I spent hours yesterday figuring out how to get the FLIR camera work properly when connected to eth1, turns out connmand was running in the background adding a second IP to the interface that was confusing the stuff talking to the camera
2020-11-10T23:04:18 < Mangy_Dog> heh
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2020-11-10T23:56:07 < Ecco> Hey :)
2020-11-10T23:56:23 < Ecco> A few days ago I had a chat about rescuing MPU exceptions, kind of like a page fault on a device with an MMU
2020-11-10T23:56:32 < Ecco> But, looking back on this idea, would it even be possible?
2020-11-10T23:56:39 < Ecco> Say an MPU fault happens
2020-11-10T23:56:46 < Ecco> then the MemFault handler gets called
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2020-11-10T23:57:04 < Ecco> and there are a couple registers where you can look at to figure out what memory access triggered the fault
2020-11-10T23:57:11 < Ecco> but would it be possible to *rescue* this fault?
2020-11-10T23:57:20 < zyp> I would assume so
2020-11-10T23:57:34 < Ecco> As in, resume execution in the unpriviliedged code *as if* the memory access had completed successfully
2020-11-10T23:57:42 < Ecco> interesting. But… how?
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2020-11-10T23:58:13 < zyp> stacked pc should point to the instruction that caused the fault, so returning from the fault handler should retry the same instruction
2020-11-10T23:58:22 < Ecco> oooh
2020-11-10T23:58:40 < laurence_> til about sodium wire
2020-11-10T23:58:40 < laurence_> looks interdasting
2020-11-10T23:58:58 < zyp> unlike e.g. a svcall interrupt where stacked pc would point to the instruction after the svc instruction
2020-11-10T23:59:17 < Ecco> indeed
2020-11-10T23:59:23 < Ecco> that's a smart detail I had completely overlooked
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2020-11-10T23:59:43 < Ecco> so the "kernel" code wouldn't try and *do* the operation
2020-11-10T23:59:51 < Ecco> it merely looks up what didn't work
2020-11-10T23:59:52 < zyp> do note that I haven't checked that this is actually the case, but it is the obvious way to do it :)
2020-11-10T23:59:56 < Ecco> reconfigs the MPU
--- Day changed Wed Nov 11 2020
2020-11-11T00:00:04 < Ecco> and then tells the "userland" code to go for it again
2020-11-11T00:00:11 < zyp> yeah
2020-11-11T00:00:22 < Ecco> yeah, that's… pretty obvious actually. I don't know how I didin't think about this
2020-11-11T00:00:26 < Ecco> thanks a lot zyp!!!
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2020-11-11T00:02:13 < zyp> np
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2020-11-11T01:00:06 < laurence_> https://youtu.be/uU19nBxzklE
2020-11-11T01:05:36 < bitmask> haha holy fuck
2020-11-11T01:05:36 < bitmask> i just tried my first spot weld...
2020-11-11T01:05:36 < bitmask> it blow holes in the nickel strip and sent sparks flying and made  a loud pop
2020-11-11T01:05:36 < bitmask> blew
2020-11-11T01:11:14 < bitmask> damn this works great
2020-11-11T01:11:26 < fenugrec> capacitive discharge or what ?
2020-11-11T01:11:38 < bitmask> nah just using a lipo pack
2020-11-11T01:11:49 < fenugrec> bold
2020-11-11T01:11:57 < bitmask> i know, im scared haha
2020-11-11T01:12:06 < bitmask> i have safety glasses on
2020-11-11T01:12:09 < bitmask> thats about it htough
2020-11-11T01:13:10 < bitmask> i originally set it to 20ms double pulse and it blew holes in the strip, now i just worked up from 2 to 8ms and 8 gave a decent weld, im gonna try 0.2mm (this is 0.15)
2020-11-11T01:23:27 < bitmask> ahh that first one was nickel plated steel, the pure nickel takes a lot more
2020-11-11T01:28:39 < ds2> anyone tried vinyl cutter stencils?
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2020-11-11T01:31:05 < fenugrec> I've been wondering if an oldschool weller ~140W gun could produce decent spot welds... I measure around 140A (decreasing fast) with a loop of copper instead of a tip
2020-11-11T01:31:41 < fenugrec> could probably be SCR'd on the pri side
2020-11-11T01:33:11 < bitmask> 140A isnt much
2020-11-11T01:37:09 < qyx> A123 LiFePO4 in a 18650 size gives max discharge of 30A
2020-11-11T01:37:17 < qyx> paralleling a couple of those would be usable then
2020-11-11T01:41:02 < bitmask> or just get something like this: https://hobbyking.com/en_us/graphene-5000mah-3s-75c.html
2020-11-11T01:45:15 < bitmask> alright, I think I dialed in 0.2mm nickel strips, i'll try on a garbage 18650 later
2020-11-11T01:46:34 < zyp> pff, I started right on putting together a pack with brand new cells :p
2020-11-11T01:48:33 < bitmask> with a spot welder youve never used before? hah ballsy
2020-11-11T01:49:30 < bitmask> i wonder if this thing can handle copper strips :P
2020-11-11T01:49:51 < bitmask> i already know the answer to that
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2020-11-11T02:10:56 < englishman> hey fenugrec
2020-11-11T02:11:06 < englishman> was talking about this subcontractor in 3r today
2020-11-11T02:11:27 < englishman> that has been working on this proj for a year, billed 700 hours and so far nothing
2020-11-11T02:11:29 < englishman> is it you?
2020-11-11T02:13:18 < fenugrec> englishman, haha no
2020-11-11T02:13:30 < fenugrec> what do you mean "so far nothing", hasn't been paid or accomplished nothing ?
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2020-11-11T02:28:00 < fenugrec> suspense
2020-11-11T02:28:08 < zyp> worked for a year, only 700 hours?
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2020-11-11T03:02:51 < aandrew> englishman: lol @ fenugrec 
2020-11-11T03:03:41 < fenugrec> aandrew, it wasn't me !
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2020-11-11T03:25:42 < englishman> fenugrec: accomplished nothing
2020-11-11T03:26:20 < englishman> ikr, 700hr/year at $100/hr maybe more, to produce nothing, not a bad living
2020-11-11T03:26:46 < fenugrec> heh, nice that you thought of me 
2020-11-11T03:26:51 < englishman> :)
2020-11-11T03:27:41 < fenugrec> I'm halfway there: accomplishing nothing, yet billing nothing
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2020-11-11T05:16:17 < qyx> oh same here
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2020-11-11T06:56:15 < ColdKeyboard> What would be the common causes for STM32L series I2C to send an extra 0 at the end of transmission?
2020-11-11T06:56:31 < ColdKeyboard> I'm sending 0x05 over I2C in master mode but with the bus sniffer I read 0x0A :\
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2020-11-11T07:01:00 < jpa-> ColdKeyboard: bus sniffers etc. start parsing from the beginning, not the end; so it might be that you have one bit less at the beginning for some reason
2020-11-11T07:01:15 < jpa-> so look for the first byte with an error, not the last
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2020-11-11T07:08:53 < ColdKeyboard> jpa- makes sense. I'll try sending some pattern like 0x01, 0x02, 0xAA and 0xFF to see what comes on the sniffer side
2020-11-11T07:13:54 < jpa-> i'm not aware of STM32L i2c doing anything weird like that though, the old F1 i2c was a bit quirky
2020-11-11T07:16:40 < ColdKeyboard> Yeah, I might be doing something odd. BusPirate acting as sniffer is showing `[0x74-[]` when I try to address 0x74 and send `0x01, 0x02, 0xAA, 0xFF` :S
2020-11-11T07:18:08 < jpa-> it might the i2c slave is not responding with ACK and that causes the sniffer to show it weirdly
2020-11-11T07:18:18 < jpa-> a logic analyzer would be great help in analyzing
2020-11-11T07:19:23 < ColdKeyboard> Well that's why I cracked my Rigol oscilloscope! I2C analyzer should work there :)
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2020-11-11T11:25:58 < karlp> zyp: what were those different charging connectors you said were standard? I've got choices of CCS-DC, Chademo, and CCS-AC?
2020-11-11T11:27:52 < zyp> choices how?
2020-11-11T11:29:13 < zyp> for AC inlets, there's «type 1» and «type 2» (also known by the name of their respective standards)
2020-11-11T11:30:06 < zyp> for DC, there's chademo which is a separate DC inlet, and CCS which adds a DC section to either a type 1 or type 2 connector
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2020-11-11T11:30:55 < zyp> wife's car has a type 1 inlet on the right side of the car and a chademo inlet on the left side
2020-11-11T11:31:05 < zyp> my car has a type 2 CCS inlet
2020-11-11T11:35:03 < zyp> apparently there's also a type 3 in france, but I think that might be used exclusively on the EVSE end of the charging cable, not the vehicle end
2020-11-11T11:35:14 < zyp> not sure how common they are, never seen one in the wild
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2020-11-11T11:47:31 < karlp> this is the api of a charging station, it reports what it has connected.
2020-11-11T11:47:39 < karlp> and I thoguht that list was missing things.
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2020-11-11T11:53:22 < zyp> CCS-AC sounds like the wrong term in that case, should be just simply AC
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2020-11-11T14:25:22 < jadew> steam community recommends: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1323420/HSNIPER_World_War_II/
2020-11-11T14:36:05 < Mangy_Dog> i umm
2020-11-11T14:36:16 < Mangy_Dog> cant tell is this comes from a really disturbed mind
2020-11-11T14:36:19 < Mangy_Dog> or not
2020-11-11T14:38:39 < jadew> I'm looking for a fighting game for my son
2020-11-11T14:38:53 < jadew> MK seems a bit too gory
2020-11-11T14:39:06 < Mangy_Dog> how old is your son?
2020-11-11T14:39:06 < jadew> any recommendations?
2020-11-11T14:39:09 < jadew> 7
2020-11-11T14:39:19 < Mangy_Dog> lol
2020-11-11T14:39:21 < Mangy_Dog> yes
2020-11-11T14:39:30 < Mangy_Dog> mortal kombat is toooooo violent
2020-11-11T14:39:46 < Mangy_Dog> its also a 15 or 18 certificate isnt it?
2020-11-11T14:39:46 < Mangy_Dog> :p
2020-11-11T14:39:48 < jadew> actually, he saw it at a friend's house last christmas and he loved it
2020-11-11T14:40:09 < Mangy_Dog> oh dear
2020-11-11T14:40:15 < jadew> if you could dial back a little on the gore, I would get it for him
2020-11-11T14:40:36 < jadew> I played it myself when I was his age, so...
2020-11-11T14:40:39 < Mangy_Dog> i dont think theres a perental control for it
2020-11-11T14:40:50 < Mangy_Dog> megadrive snes mortaon kombat?
2020-11-11T14:41:15 < jadew> not sure which one was that
2020-11-11T14:41:36 < Mangy_Dog> oh wait sorry youre american, genesis
2020-11-11T14:41:44 < jadew> I'm not american
2020-11-11T14:41:51 < Mangy_Dog> ohh
2020-11-11T14:41:51 < jadew> Romania
2020-11-11T14:41:54 < Mangy_Dog> sorry again :D
2020-11-11T14:41:59 < Mangy_Dog> ah
2020-11-11T14:42:06 < jadew> anyway, it was clearly not as graphical back then
2020-11-11T14:42:10 < Mangy_Dog> what did they call the sega console there?
2020-11-11T14:42:24 < Mangy_Dog> yeah it was more.... cartoony then
2020-11-11T14:42:25 < jadew> but still, I enjoy the memory of playing it
2020-11-11T14:42:42 < jadew> injustice 2 seems interesting
2020-11-11T14:44:57 < Mangy_Dog> id say injustive is more tame
2020-11-11T14:45:04 < Mangy_Dog> but its not withotu its shock value
2020-11-11T14:45:08 < Mangy_Dog> again its aimed at young adults
2020-11-11T14:46:17 < jadew> I'm not worried about a little shock value, he'll enjoy it
2020-11-11T14:47:41 < Mangy_Dog> nods
2020-11-11T14:48:04 < Mangy_Dog> id say stay with him when he plays
2020-11-11T14:48:10 < Mangy_Dog> make sure its all ok
2020-11-11T14:48:28 < jadew> I want to play with him
2020-11-11T14:48:44 < Mangy_Dog> hah
2020-11-11T14:48:51 < Mangy_Dog> oh and supergirl has jiggle physics
2020-11-11T14:48:58 < Mangy_Dog> might want to shield his eyes on that
2020-11-11T14:48:59 < Mangy_Dog> :p
2020-11-11T14:49:20 < jadew> looking at some gameplay now, not much to jiggle
2020-11-11T14:50:24 < jadew> reviewed the gameplay for ~10 minutes, absolutely nothing objectionable
2020-11-11T14:50:31 < Mangy_Dog> oh maybe im getting mixed up with fan art i thought supergirl/powergirl was the one with the low cut top white suite and lots of bossom
2020-11-11T14:50:52 < jadew> super girl is blue, power girl is white and has cow tits
2020-11-11T14:51:03 < Mangy_Dog> heh
2020-11-11T14:51:16 < Mangy_Dog> btw in case you dont know comic law..... powergirl is supergirl from another universe
2020-11-11T14:51:40 < jadew> ah, so there's a better universe then
2020-11-11T14:51:45 < Mangy_Dog> :p
2020-11-11T14:51:50 < qyx> beargirl
2020-11-11T14:59:56 < jadew> looks like you can have power girl: https://store.steampowered.com/app/731171/Injustice_2__Power_Girl/
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2020-11-11T15:00:15 < jadew> so for 20 eur, you can see cleavage
2020-11-11T15:01:41 < Mangy_Dog> uughhhhh pay for extra content for a AAA game you already pay a hunk of cash for
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2020-11-11T15:02:22 < jadew> they paid extra attention to the details
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2020-11-11T15:03:52 < jadew> I wonder if steam will let him play it
2020-11-11T15:03:56 < jadew> it's rated PEGI 16
2020-11-11T15:04:23 < jadew> and the adult crap in my library doesn't show up on his steam account
2020-11-11T15:04:29 < jadew> so there might be a filter there
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2020-11-11T15:04:40 < jadew> this one would be in his library tho
2020-11-11T15:05:03 < Mangy_Dog> i dont know how the filtering system works in steam as ive never needed it
2020-11-11T15:05:26 < jadew> let me check something
2020-11-11T15:05:49 < Mangy_Dog>  also dont know how family share works if you share a game that has an age lock
2020-11-11T15:05:53 < Mangy_Dog> or if you can white list
2020-11-11T15:06:51 < jadew> don't know, I shared my entire library
2020-11-11T15:07:50 < Mangy_Dog> ah
2020-11-11T15:39:03 < aandrew> apple caused me to lose my three most valued games because they dropped 32-bit support: Portal, Portal 2 and Worms: Reloaded
2020-11-11T15:39:12 < aandrew> I have to either play them on linux now or in a 32-bit osx vm
2020-11-11T15:39:27 < BrainDamage> they dropped wine too
2020-11-11T15:39:55 < aandrew> hm? I thought wine still worked
2020-11-11T15:40:03 < aandrew> I haven't touched it in probably 8-10y though
2020-11-11T15:40:42 < BrainDamage> ah, no, nvm, they just dropped 32 bit wine
2020-11-11T15:41:36 < englishman> isn't the new Rosetta supposed to do all that
2020-11-11T15:41:47 < englishman> what will happen when you switch to arm and lose x64 support too?
2020-11-11T15:45:31 < jadew> aandrew, you play worms reloaded?
2020-11-11T15:45:43 < jadew> we should play together sometime
2020-11-11T15:46:02 < jadew> (if you play it online, we might have played already)
2020-11-11T15:46:24 < BrainDamage> I have worms WMD on my switch
2020-11-11T15:47:06 < jadew> I just checked, I don't have that one
2020-11-11T15:48:00 < jadew> I have 6 versions, including the original, but I think reloaded is the best so far
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2020-11-11T15:52:03 < aandrew> jadew: I don't play it online but yes that'd be fun. I have to get a machine that'll play it again now
2020-11-11T15:52:19 < aandrew> yeah I agree, reloaded seems to be the best one of the bunch
2020-11-11T15:52:29 < aandrew> we used to play the original like 20y ago
2020-11-11T15:52:35 < aandrew> at work on the IPX network
2020-11-11T15:52:52 < jadew> yeah, I used to play the original as a kid
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2020-11-11T16:03:41 < qyx> jadew: whot do you think about this https://bin.jvnv.net/file/qOQG0.JPG
2020-11-11T16:03:53 < qyx> theres a pogo pin on the sme
2020-11-11T16:03:55 < qyx> *sma
2020-11-11T16:04:09 < jadew> what frequency?
2020-11-11T16:04:35 < qyx> 868
2020-11-11T16:05:26 < jadew> it's going to be attenuated
2020-11-11T16:05:46 < qyx> this one I wanted to use https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1h_CLnaagSKJjy0Fhq6ArbFXao/10Pcs-Brass-SMA-Female-Socket-Jack-Panel-Mount-with-Nut-Bulkhead-Handle-Straight-Solder-RF-Connector.jpg
2020-11-11T16:06:09 < jadew> that's meant to come from the side
2020-11-11T16:06:11 < jadew> not the top
2020-11-11T16:06:26 < qyx> hm, actually
2020-11-11T16:06:30 < qyx> yeah
2020-11-11T16:06:41 < qyx> it would be even better if it comes from the side
2020-11-11T16:06:47 < qyx> https://media.rs-online.com/t_large/F5120036-01.jpg
2020-11-11T16:06:48 < qyx> or this one
2020-11-11T16:07:00 < jadew> why don't you use a proper connector tho?
2020-11-11T16:07:12 < jadew> for PCBs
2020-11-11T16:07:21 < qyx> because I am unable to fit it inside the selected enclosure
2020-11-11T16:07:39 < qyx> https://www.tme.eu/html/gfx/image_20900.jpg
2020-11-11T16:08:01 < jadew> ah, that kind of enclosure
2020-11-11T16:08:07 < qyx> and I want to avoid using pigtails
2020-11-11T16:08:35 < qyx> it is a high vibration env, I don't believe u.fl is gonna stay in place
2020-11-11T16:08:46 < qyx> I am using mmcx now but the whole pigtail is bulky
2020-11-11T16:08:52 < jadew> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSACrjohfjmQEZRxE4B3P6XvwCVjPPzn1ojZw&usqp=CAU
2020-11-11T16:08:56 < jadew> what's wrong with this?
2020-11-11T16:09:07 < jadew> you can drop it in the same spot like in your drawing
2020-11-11T16:09:11 < jadew> there are SMD ones too
2020-11-11T16:09:19 < qyx> not bad
2020-11-11T16:09:21 < qyx> yeah
2020-11-11T16:10:04 < qyx> now the antenna is mounted on the side which is not ideal, it is close to the substrate the sensor is attached to
2020-11-11T16:10:14 < qyx> so I wanted to mount it on the lid
2020-11-11T16:10:20 < qyx> to be perpendicular
2020-11-11T16:11:08 < jadew> yeah, would work with those straight connectors
2020-11-11T16:11:24 < qyx> but how to waterproof such thing
2020-11-11T16:11:32 < qyx> with no flange or whatever
2020-11-11T16:11:34 < qyx> on the connector
2020-11-11T16:12:10 < karlp> for what purpose? permanent?
2020-11-11T16:12:14 < zyp> pot the entire pcb in the enclosure?
2020-11-11T16:12:33 < zyp> then it doesn't matter if lid isn't waterproof :p
2020-11-11T16:13:31 < karlp> why do youy think u.fl won't stay in place?
2020-11-11T16:13:33 < jadew> the simplest solution is to have the connector on the side and use an edge connector - there are IP67 variants
2020-11-11T16:13:48 < zyp> also that
2020-11-11T16:13:52 < jadew> but if you're willing to do extra work, you can seal this one too
2020-11-11T16:14:04 < zyp> I'd expect u.fl to work just fine
2020-11-11T16:14:07  * karlp too
2020-11-11T16:14:22 < jadew> two nuts on the inside, put it through the lid, apply silicone or whatever, and then tighten it from the outside too
2020-11-11T16:15:20 < jadew> karlp, how do you see the u.fl setup?
2020-11-11T16:15:39 < qyx> pigtail in the lid, ufl on the pcb
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2020-11-11T16:15:47 < zyp> like the mmcx one, just smaller
2020-11-11T16:16:07 < jadew> so you'd still have SMA out of the lid?
2020-11-11T16:16:54 < qyx> there are some practical problems with the pigtail setup
2020-11-11T16:17:10 < qyx> it cannot be on the side because you are not able to pull out the ocb
2020-11-11T16:17:14 < qyx> without removing the pigtail
2020-11-11T16:17:39 < qyx> and if the pigtail is in the lid and you close the enclosure, $%^#$ things happen
2020-11-11T16:17:56 < qyx> like shorting the fucking NRST pin on the cortex debug connector to ground
2020-11-11T16:18:18 < jadew> put the antenna inside the box :P
2020-11-11T16:18:21 < qyx> because the damned rg174 is stiff like a frozen python
2020-11-11T16:19:27 < jadew> tbh, pigtail doesn't sound so bad
2020-11-11T16:19:39 < jadew> if you want the antenna at the top, you should consider it
2020-11-11T16:20:12 < qyx> so you say either the edge one or use a pigtail
2020-11-11T16:20:17 < karlp> I'm not sure how you're thinking a pogo would work either qyx, closing or sliding sounds like it  would be super fragile, and you're relying on springs taht aren't designed for permanent operation to be permanent
2020-11-11T16:20:48 < jadew> qyx, if you need it to be weather proof, yeah, you need a proper connector designed to be weather proof where ever you mount it
2020-11-11T16:21:10 < jadew> if you go for side mounting, then there are plenty edge mount connectors that are weather proof
2020-11-11T16:21:32 < jadew> if you go for top - same, but you'll need an extra connector and patch cable
2020-11-11T16:21:58 < zyp> how about putting a waveguide on the lid and some trace on the pcb emitting into it? :p
2020-11-11T16:22:17 < jadew> zyp, heh, I don't think that enclosure is big enough for that
2020-11-11T16:22:28 < karlp> I feel like I should be buying junk today
2020-11-11T16:22:35 < qyx> I have those https://www.2j-antennas.com/antennas/single-external-antennas/2jw0815-868-c20n-868-mhz-ism-connector-mount-antenna/419
2020-11-11T16:22:37 < jadew> looks smaller than the waveguid would have to be
2020-11-11T16:22:59 < jadew> karlp, what do you have in mind? I feel like that everyday
2020-11-11T16:23:00 < zyp> then just use a waveguide as the enclosure
2020-11-11T16:23:13 < karlp> jadew: nothing really, I try not to buy junk, but "sales!"
2020-11-11T16:23:30 < jadew> oh, right
2020-11-11T16:23:40 < jadew> black friday is coming, isn't it?
2020-11-11T16:23:57 < zyp> also singles day today, apparently
2020-11-11T16:31:08 < karlp> that's the one I was talking about
2020-11-11T16:33:32 < karlp> I guess I need a new switch, seeing as the old one died.
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2020-11-11T17:13:09 < Mangy_Dog> https://pastebin.com/a2xF1EHE ok having strange issue with drawing my lines of text... My chunk size is getting the correct max number of 28 so buffer is getting 28 spaces. But when i place buffer in the CMD_TEXT the text command for my display 90% of the time im getting extra characters printed, random characters. Like theres a memory overflow... Am i passing that buffer to the what would be 
2020-11-11T17:13:09 < Mangy_Dog> "text here" portion of the CMD_TEXT wrong? Is there a way to say buffer[0-28] ?
2020-11-11T17:21:53 < Steffanx> What is CMD_TEXT()  and how does it know how many characters to write?
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2020-11-11T17:24:44 < Mangy_Dog> i didnt write it 
2020-11-11T17:24:57 < Mangy_Dog> its part of teh openGL like command set for display drawing
2020-11-11T17:25:13 < Mangy_Dog> and yeah i dont know how it knows
2020-11-11T17:25:41 < Mangy_Dog> normal hard coding youll just tyoe "your text here no matter how long it is it will display"
2020-11-11T17:25:57 < Mangy_Dog> but as im passing a dynamic message im trying to format the char array
2020-11-11T17:26:25 < Mangy_Dog> im first taking my string (not pasted portion of the code) reading how many charactors and counts the number of lines needed so string length /28+1
2020-11-11T17:26:34 < Mangy_Dog> umm add a () around the devision
2020-11-11T17:27:59 < Mangy_Dog> maybe i need to add a /n to the end
2020-11-11T17:31:16 < Mangy_Dog> adding /n to the end of each line chunk didnt work
2020-11-11T17:32:11 < PaulFertser> \n ?
2020-11-11T17:32:36 < Mangy_Dog> newline
2020-11-11T17:32:47 < karlp> / and \ are not the same...
2020-11-11T17:32:51 < Mangy_Dog> hehe
2020-11-11T17:32:53 < Mangy_Dog> sorry
2020-11-11T17:32:55 < Mangy_Dog> yeah \n
2020-11-11T17:33:04 < Mangy_Dog> typed /n here by mistake
2020-11-11T17:33:08 < Mangy_Dog> i typed \n in code :p
2020-11-11T17:36:39 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: is the line supposed to be zero-terminated?
2020-11-11T17:36:45 < Steffanx> https://imgur.com/a/xhuX9f6
2020-11-11T17:36:56 < Steffanx> Its even in the manual, pre-highlighted ;)
2020-11-11T17:39:39 < Mangy_Dog> no idea pual
2020-11-11T17:40:44 < Steffanx> You should have an idea by now Mangy_Dog
2020-11-11T17:41:10 < Mangy_Dog> just been told by some one else that uses this hardware that i do need zero termination.... just trying to figure out what zero termination is now :d
2020-11-11T17:41:12 < Mangy_Dog> :D
2020-11-11T17:41:14 < Mangy_Dog> new term for me
2020-11-11T17:41:58 < Steffanx> Did you ever go for some C 101 class Mangy_Dog? If not, give it a try :)
2020-11-11T17:42:40 < Mangy_Dog> :p
2020-11-11T17:42:53 < Mangy_Dog> im used to other text formatting commands
2020-11-11T17:42:58 < Mangy_Dog> zero byte was a new one to me
2020-11-11T17:43:21 < Mangy_Dog> but no as i didnt do classes an im self taught theres obviously some gaps
2020-11-11T17:43:50 < Mangy_Dog> though adding a 0 on the last byte doesnt appear to be working
2020-11-11T17:44:02 < Steffanx> Most C beginner tutorials will cover this.
2020-11-11T17:44:31 < PaulFertser> How are you adding zero?
2020-11-11T17:44:37 < sync> Mangy_Dog: 0 != 0b0
2020-11-11T17:44:40 < Mangy_Dog> buffer[chunkSize+1]= 0;
2020-11-11T17:45:00 < Mangy_Dog> i thought int 0 was 00000000
2020-11-11T17:45:11 < Mangy_Dog> ?
2020-11-11T17:51:48 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: this looks like you write beyond the end of the chunk
2020-11-11T17:51:54 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: should be chunkSize-1
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2020-11-11T17:55:28 < Mangy_Dog> actually
2020-11-11T17:55:37 < Mangy_Dog> removing the +1 lined it up correctly
2020-11-11T18:01:54 < Mangy_Dog> now the final question is.... should i write code to correctly line break code at a word space rather than at character 28
2020-11-11T18:02:13 < Mangy_Dog> seems overly annoyingly complicated
2020-11-11T18:05:18 < Mangy_Dog> umm
2020-11-11T18:05:40 < Mangy_Dog> should i write code to correctly line break at the wordspace rather than....
2020-11-11T18:06:44 < tomeaton17> altium actually responded to my ticket in 1 day wow
2020-11-11T18:07:06 < Mangy_Dog> they better given how expensive that package is
2020-11-11T18:27:34 < Steffanx> Did they tell you to fuck off, tomeaton17 ?
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2020-11-11T18:52:46 < Steffanx> Pdf reader done upgrdman ?
2020-11-11T18:53:11 < upgrdman> Steffanx, not even started. i might do it the next time i have to quarantine for 14 days
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2020-11-11T18:53:44 < upgrdman> i might jull pull an Anus Torvalds and code up the best PDF reader while "on holiday"
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2020-11-11T18:53:55 < Steffanx> Time to meet with someone with the covid
2020-11-11T18:54:25 < upgrdman> inorite
2020-11-11T19:10:27 < zyp> kid got covid tested today, I'll let you know if the results come back positive so you can drop by
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2020-11-11T19:14:48 < aandrew> got the nice spiffy analog devices laptop just now
2020-11-11T19:15:02 < aandrew> hopefully they didn't lock out RDP, I don't want to sit and type at this ting
2020-11-11T19:15:03 < aandrew> thing
2020-11-11T19:18:52 < Steffanx> Analol devicec laptop?!
2020-11-11T19:19:01 < Steffanx> Devices.
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2020-11-11T19:22:12 < upgrdman> since when does Anal Devices make laptops?
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2020-11-11T20:28:53 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: no actually they wanted some pictures of the problem
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2020-11-11T23:08:13 < kakilate> late night chats
2020-11-11T23:14:11 < Steffanx> its only 22:14. 
2020-11-11T23:21:55 < kakilate> let's wait
2020-11-11T23:25:04 < kakilate> I think I want a cabin steff
2020-11-11T23:25:12 < kakilate> in woods
2020-11-11T23:28:26 < Steffanx> Near the a lake?
2020-11-11T23:28:31 < Steffanx> -the
2020-11-11T23:32:02 < BrainDamage> crystal lake
2020-11-11T23:32:31 < kakilate> lake not necessary
2020-11-11T23:32:46 < kakilate> more like a house / cave type of deal
2020-11-11T23:33:18 < kakilate> there is plenty of what we call "grandmas cabin" type of things out there
2020-11-11T23:33:22 < Steffanx> But you have to do you naked jump into the cold lake after your sauna...
2020-11-11T23:33:41 < kakilate> small old house in middle of nowhere were some granma lived once
2020-11-11T23:33:47 < zyp> power update: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/Y06Do.jpg
2020-11-11T23:33:56 < kakilate> and those have minimal value - some even negative value
2020-11-11T23:34:04 < Steffanx> Yeah, no internet, no electricity, just kaki and the mir.
2020-11-11T23:34:18 < kakilate> funland has internets everywhere
2020-11-11T23:34:28 < kakilate> LTE is everywhere
2020-11-11T23:34:39 < zyp> qyx, pretty happy I had a larger gap than 45mm when wrestling the cable into the panel :p
2020-11-11T23:34:49 < BrainDamage> ultrasauce has that kind of place
2020-11-11T23:35:09 < Steffanx> Awesome, why he never doxxed himself with some pic?
2020-11-11T23:35:13 < BrainDamage> with a canoe on the shore, but it's the sea, not a lake
2020-11-11T23:35:30 < Steffanx> Still sounds nice
2020-11-11T23:35:43 < qyx> zyp: lold irl
2020-11-11T23:35:54 < qyx> wait
2020-11-11T23:35:55 < BrainDamage> and a toilet that's a hole in the ground
2020-11-11T23:36:04 < BrainDamage> no running water
2020-11-11T23:36:18 < kakilate> and he lives there?
2020-11-11T23:36:40 < BrainDamage> no
2020-11-11T23:37:00 < kakilate> you know Ultrasauce?
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2020-11-11T23:37:10 < Steffanx> Dont you know that by now?
2020-11-11T23:37:15 < qyx> zyp: I did this the last weekend https://bin.jvnv.net/file/KDY1z.JPG
2020-11-11T23:37:26 < BrainDamage> sure, before even ##stm32
2020-11-11T23:37:31 < Steffanx> Keep your tabs up to date, kakilate
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2020-11-11T23:37:47 < qyx> with those 4x16 cables
2020-11-11T23:38:09 < qyx> I didn't feel my fingers afterwards
2020-11-11T23:38:27 < zyp> is that also TFXP MR FLEX?
2020-11-11T23:39:03 < zyp> hmm, no, yours looks stiffer
2020-11-11T23:39:12 < Mangy_Dog> lol
2020-11-11T23:39:14 < zyp> how many strands? 7?
2020-11-11T23:39:19 < qyx> 1
2020-11-11T23:39:26 < Mangy_Dog> right ive been sorting out sleep code for some parts of my project
2020-11-11T23:39:30 < zyp> wat
2020-11-11T23:39:31 < qyx> it is a solid 16mm^2
2020-11-11T23:39:34 < zyp> really?
2020-11-11T23:39:37 < qyx> yeah
2020-11-11T23:39:40 < Mangy_Dog> and my graphics chip needs 20ms to start up from getting the wake command
2020-11-11T23:39:48 < Mangy_Dog> but it kept crashing when i was testing
2020-11-11T23:39:57 < Mangy_Dog> would work 50% of the time but crash
2020-11-11T23:40:02 < zyp> haha, weird
2020-11-11T23:40:04 < Mangy_Dog> i had vtaskdelay set to 20ms.....
2020-11-11T23:40:09 < zyp> mine is stranded, 5G10
2020-11-11T23:40:11 < Mangy_Dog> well no i had it set to 20
2020-11-11T23:40:17 < Mangy_Dog> sighs
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2020-11-11T23:40:22 < Mangy_Dog> of course vtask delay isnt in MS
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2020-11-11T23:41:13 < zyp> hardest part was getting it through the conduit, but it worked out well once I lubed it a bit
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2020-11-11T23:41:23 < Mangy_Dog> if its locked to cpu frequincy or a devision of
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2020-11-11T23:41:42 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/46MYs.jpg <- here's how it looks inside now
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2020-11-11T23:41:46 < Steffanx> usually the tick rate is somewhere in freertos_config.h (or sometihng)
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2020-11-11T23:42:00 < qyx> 22:40 < qyx> zyp: only those on the right are fine stranded
2020-11-11T23:42:02 < qyx> 22:40 < qyx> the three black and PE
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2020-11-11T23:42:28 < zyp> 22:41:42 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/46MYs.jpg <- here's how it looks inside now
2020-11-11T23:42:33 < Mangy_Dog> D: the world
2020-11-11T23:42:33 < Mangy_Dog> THE WORLD IS FALLING
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2020-11-11T23:42:56 < Steffanx> no its not. didnt you get the memo?
2020-11-11T23:42:56 < Mangy_Dog> googling and checking the reference on freertos website
2020-11-11T23:43:02 < Mangy_Dog> ohhhh
2020-11-11T23:43:07 < Mangy_Dog> the server resetting thing?
2020-11-11T23:43:10 < Mangy_Dog> i thought that was yesterday
2020-11-11T23:43:16 < qyx> zyp: oh nice
2020-11-11T23:43:18 < kakilate> zyp: nice circuit breaker lights
2020-11-11T23:43:35 < kakilate> I didn't know those come with bling too
2020-11-11T23:43:57 < Mangy_Dog> anyway
2020-11-11T23:44:04 < qyx> wait what
2020-11-11T23:44:08 < qyx> 15C breakers
2020-11-11T23:44:10 < Mangy_Dog> reference says use desiredMS /  portTICK_RATE_MS
2020-11-11T23:44:16 < zyp> kakilate, it's pretty new, hadn't seen it before I saw them being installed here
2020-11-11T23:44:28 < kakilate> how those are powered?
2020-11-11T23:44:40 < qyx> also why 1P+N?
2020-11-11T23:44:43 < kakilate> using din rail as neutral?
2020-11-11T23:44:55 < zyp> qyx, yeah, some recent rules says 16A is too much for conduit in wall
2020-11-11T23:45:01 < qyx> :D
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2020-11-11T23:45:10 < kakilate> ah there is N
2020-11-11T23:45:15 < kakilate> in connection bar
2020-11-11T23:45:23 < Mangy_Dog> anyway setting /portTICK_RATE_MS seems to work
2020-11-11T23:45:25 < qyx> and why C?
2020-11-11T23:45:26 < Mangy_Dog> no more chip crashing
2020-11-11T23:45:30 < zyp> why not C?
2020-11-11T23:45:38 < Mangy_Dog> christ
2020-11-11T23:45:39 < kakilate> does it turn red too zyp?
2020-11-11T23:45:41 < Mangy_Dog> said that too soon
2020-11-11T23:45:42 < Mangy_Dog> just crash 
2020-11-11T23:45:43 < Mangy_Dog> D:
2020-11-11T23:45:49 < zyp> kakilate, yeah
2020-11-11T23:45:55 < kakilate> cool
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2020-11-11T23:46:32 < zyp> IIRC green means healthy, turns yellow and then red as it gets closer to the 30mA tripping point for the RCD
2020-11-11T23:46:37 < qyx> zyp: here B is common and even mandated from the distrib company
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2020-11-11T23:46:54 < qyx> you cannot have C on the input to the building
2020-11-11T23:47:03 < zyp> and then you can push the button to have it pulse out an actual measurement for you or something
2020-11-11T23:47:06 < karlp> heh, the original idea for our company was just coloured load leds on breakers.
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2020-11-11T23:47:21 < qyx> so with a, lets say, 32B on the input, you cannot have 16C in the distrib box
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2020-11-11T23:47:26 < zyp> karlp, glad you made something more useful :)
2020-11-11T23:47:31 < karlp> hehe :)
2020-11-11T23:47:40 < Steffanx> so what is the value of portTICK_RATE_MS mr Mangy_Dog
2020-11-11T23:47:44 < karlp> yeah, everyone's like, "nice, pretty, fuck off i you think I'm paying extra for breakers with leds on them..."
2020-11-11T23:47:44 < zyp> qyx, sounds weird
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2020-11-11T23:48:35 < qyx> if you hadn't rcbo, do you usually use single pole breakers as allowed in TN-S?
2020-11-11T23:48:36 < karlp> still, seems like youve' got them now....
2020-11-11T23:48:43 < zyp> when I worked as an electrician, panel kits used to come with some B-breakers and some C-breakers and we had to figure out where the B-breakers would be the least annoying
2020-11-11T23:49:06 < qyx> interesting
2020-11-11T23:49:12 < qyx> I have 6B even on pumps here
2020-11-11T23:49:17 < Mangy_Dog> ( ( TickType_t ) 1000 / ( ( TickType_t ) 1000 ) 
2020-11-11T23:49:31 < zyp> karlp, yeah, but the only reason I got it on the new breaker I got is because there wasn't really a significant price difference
2020-11-11T23:49:53 < zyp> hang on, let me find the prices again
2020-11-11T23:49:56 < karlp> qyx: do y ou normally have bus bars on top in .sk?
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2020-11-11T23:51:01 < qyx> karlp: it depends, the box was done by an electrician
2020-11-11T23:51:04 < qyx> I have seen both
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2020-11-11T23:51:36 < zyp> karlp, 361.75 NOK plus VAT for the old variant without LED, 363.13 for the variant with the LED
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2020-11-11T23:52:47  * karlp shrugs.
2020-11-11T23:52:47 < qyx> hm, also
2020-11-11T23:52:59 < qyx> whats the OV40 thing
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2020-11-11T23:53:01 < karlp> it's "nice" seeing all the thigns we've done slowly get done by big companies,
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2020-11-11T23:53:08 < qyx> main switch?
2020-11-11T23:53:08 < Mangy_Dog> Steffanx ( ( TickType_t ) 1000 / ( ( TickType_t ) 1000 )  is what the macro says
2020-11-11T23:53:10 < karlp> kinda wish we had gotten rich somewhere though
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2020-11-11T23:53:27 < qyx> IS40 is a switch, that one I know
2020-11-11T23:53:28 < zyp> qyx, main breaker, 40A overcurrent protection
2020-11-11T23:53:31 < zyp> yes
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2020-11-11T23:53:55 < qyx> so the 40 switch is going to the sub-box?
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2020-11-11T23:54:19 < zyp> inlet protection is split into short circuit protection and overcurrent protection
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2020-11-11T23:54:29 < Steffanx> So actually you just divide by 1, Mangy_Dog  ?
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2020-11-11T23:54:42 < zyp> OV40 is the latter, the former are some 63A fuses outside by the meter (before the TN-C-S split)
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2020-11-11T23:54:55 < karlp> damn, I'm on the wrong side of the split..
2020-11-11T23:54:58 < zyp> and yes, the IS40 is for the sub panel
2020-11-11T23:55:11 < Mangy_Dog> devide by 1? so it is actually running 1ms ticks?
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2020-11-11T23:55:15 < zyp> pff, you're on my side, can't be wrong
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2020-11-11T23:55:36  * Mangy_Dog rereads that macro and feels stupid
2020-11-11T23:56:45 < qyx> zyp: oh, here they use eg. 80A gG fuses on the pole/distrib company box, 63A B-characteristic as a main breaker and a meter in a metering box outside
2020-11-11T23:56:50 < zyp> qyx, the reason I ran 5G10 to the sub panel is that it's the same that runs from the meter to the main panel, so it doesn't need any further protection
2020-11-11T23:56:55 < qyx> zyp: and inside of the building is a main switch
2020-11-11T23:57:08 < karlp> zyp: so those leds are for the _leakage_ not the load?
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2020-11-11T23:57:33 < qyx> yeah I concluded that, otherwise you had to use a breaker there
2020-11-11T23:57:37 < zyp> karlp, correct, it's part of the RCD, not the circuit breaker
2020-11-11T23:58:05 < zyp> I just figured it'd be useful if I wanna put up a 32A outlet at some point later
2020-11-11T23:58:10 < karlp> oh, boring.
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2020-11-11T23:58:50 < karlp> what's the situation wher eyou have _some_ leakage, but not tripping?
2020-11-11T23:58:59 < qyx> drbm are unobtainable here :(
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2020-11-11T23:59:28 < zyp> karlp, dunno, this is TN so that's probably pretty unlikely
2020-11-11T23:59:43 < karlp> that's what I would have thought.
2020-11-11T23:59:45 < qyx> many smps and things with pfc frontend?
2020-11-11T23:59:59 < qyx> an emc filter may do ~1mA of leakage to ground
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2020-11-12T00:00:02 < zyp> but IT is also common in norway, and they use the same breakers for both
2020-11-12T00:00:16 < zyp> that's why I've got two-pole breakers, not 1+N
2020-11-12T00:00:43 < karlp> right, I was reading in the drbm sheet that it was protecting both,
2020-11-12T00:00:55 < karlp> we had a bunch of queries on doing IT metering shit
2020-11-12T00:01:00 < zyp> not sure if the rules actually forbid 1+N, but meh
2020-11-12T00:01:04 < karlp> fucking tedious norwegians...
2020-11-12T00:01:08 < zyp> haha
2020-11-12T00:01:14 < karlp> better than danes at least :)
2020-11-12T00:01:21 < zyp> what do they do?
2020-11-12T00:01:22 < qyx> idk hows the situation here too, 1+N are not common
2020-11-12T00:01:30 < qyx> I haven't seen one actually
2020-11-12T00:01:59 < karlp> just different colonials :)
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2020-11-12T00:04:24 < zyp> qyx, btw, what is the panel you linked, and is it TN-C all the way?
2020-11-12T00:05:18 < zyp> apart from the two single phase circuits, I mean
2020-11-12T00:07:18 < qyx> zyp: we are doing full wiring remake in the parents house, the distrib company has a standardized metering box, thers a place only for a main breaker, some minor stuff, meter itself and a receiver for tariff control
2020-11-12T00:07:29 < qyx> it is from the other side of the fencing
2020-11-12T00:08:35 < qyx> we needed to put more things here, so the electrician made a secondary box which splits the 63A main power inlet to two, one going to the basement from the outside for a new electric heating + boiler
2020-11-12T00:09:08 < qyx> the other one (40A) goes to the house
2020-11-12T00:09:21 < zyp> makes sense
2020-11-12T00:09:36 < qyx> TN-C-S splits are in istrib boxes in the basement and in the house
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2020-11-12T00:09:50 < zyp> here the split is before the meter
2020-11-12T00:09:57 < qyx> here they forbid that
2020-11-12T00:11:28 < zyp> we used to have the meters inside until 2014 or so, when a new standard came that wants them outside
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2020-11-12T00:11:49 < qyx> the small tn-s circuit with the RCD feeds a 16A 400V outled and a 230V outlet
2020-11-12T00:11:55 < zyp> but the power company doesn't own it
2020-11-12T00:11:56 < qyx> same here
2020-11-12T00:12:03 < qyx> thats the reason we are doing it
2020-11-12T00:12:24 < zyp> old houses are not generally retrofit with outside meters
2020-11-12T00:12:41 < Steffanx> Is there a good reason to have them outside?
2020-11-12T00:12:44 < qyx> they didn't want allow us to connect electric heating until we redo the whole thing the new way
2020-11-12T00:13:06 < zyp> Steffanx, power company can service the meter without you having to be home to receive them
2020-11-12T00:13:22 < zyp> ah
2020-11-12T00:13:45 < Steffanx> But how often they service ..
2020-11-12T00:14:08 < zyp> here the power company owns the cable going into the box and the meter, I own the box and the other stuff inside it
2020-11-12T00:14:17 < Steffanx> I dont even remember the last time they visited
2020-11-12T00:14:39 < qyx> yuite often if you don't have remote readout :P
2020-11-12T00:15:21 < zyp> the box then generally contains PEN split, KV (short circuit breaker), overvoltage protection and the meter
2020-11-12T00:15:25 < qyx> here you own everything from the gG fuses except the meter
2020-11-12T00:15:44 < zyp> OV is usually placed inside because of temperature, since it's a thermal breaker
2020-11-12T00:15:58 < Steffanx> For water and gas we just tell them.. using the internet. Qyx.
2020-11-12T00:16:20 < Steffanx> They can very well see if its kinda correct or not.
2020-11-12T00:16:27 < qyx> we have gsm for electricity, water is analol
2020-11-12T00:17:11 < zyp> it is possible to put in several circuits and stuff outside, but then the OV also needs to go outside which requires the temperature to be considered
2020-11-12T00:17:26 < Steffanx> The electricity meter is "smart" for like 2 years now, but before that we just had to tell them current meter reading., each year.
2020-11-12T00:18:07 < zyp> so it's apparently more common to just put the OV inside and run a separate conduit back out if you want e.g. a sub panel in a separate garage or whatever
2020-11-12T00:18:18 < qyx> probably EU is pushing smart meters
2020-11-12T00:18:29 < zyp> Steffanx, same here
2020-11-12T00:19:44 < zyp> smart meters have been rolled out for years, before that I had to manually read it and fill it into a webpage at regular intervals
2020-11-12T00:20:07 < zyp> about four years since last I did that
2020-11-12T00:21:17 < ds2> zyp: aren't you on PV power?
2020-11-12T00:21:31 < qyx> no thats qyx
2020-11-12T00:21:50 < ds2> qyx: are you 100% PV?
2020-11-12T00:21:54 < qyx> yes
2020-11-12T00:22:15 < ds2> where geographically are you?
2020-11-12T00:22:33 < qyx> .sk
2020-11-12T00:22:40 < qyx> but I have to make/buy a cogen unit
2020-11-12T00:22:52 < qyx> we were never been there during the winter yet
2020-11-12T00:22:55 < qyx> *have
2020-11-12T00:23:26 < zyp> ds2, I don't have any PV yet, but I'm planning grid-tie PV eventually, which will be another circuit into the new sub-panel
2020-11-12T00:24:09 < ds2> qyx:how cold does it get and what do you use for heating?
2020-11-12T00:24:42 < ds2> zyp: how much do you expect PV to cover? IIRC, you are in the great white north
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2020-11-12T00:28:07 < karlp> all summer usage at least I'd presume...
2020-11-12T00:28:12 < zyp> ds2, how much of the total consumption? haven't really calculated that
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2020-11-12T00:28:44 < ds2> zyp: what's your reasoning for the PV?
2020-11-12T00:28:56 < zyp> IIRC according to the estimates I did last year, enough to break even in 4-5 years, but I'm not sure how good the estimates are :)
2020-11-12T00:29:14 < ds2> not monetary... I mean power 
2020-11-12T00:29:36 < kakilate> economically solar is pretty much sensible solution only to cover base usage during sunny days
2020-11-12T00:30:06 < kakilate> so if you leave house and consumption is minimal
2020-11-12T00:30:10 < ds2> the grid around here seems to be getting less and less reliable
2020-11-12T00:30:11 < Steffanx> With you in the house every day is a sunny day, kakilate  
2020-11-12T00:30:31 < Steffanx> What is here. Ds2?
2020-11-12T00:30:39 < karlp> fucking docker runc incompat bullshit
2020-11-12T00:30:40 < kakilate> you just throw that electricity for next to free of charge to grid
2020-11-12T00:30:42 < ds2> Steffanx: California, USA
2020-11-12T00:31:00 < Steffanx> Ah
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2020-11-12T00:31:07 < ds2> "public safety shutdown" "power shortages" and so forth
2020-11-12T00:31:13 < karlp> ds2: has't it always been horrifically unreliable?
2020-11-12T00:31:23 < karlp> it was shit when I lived ther ein 2000 era, 
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2020-11-12T00:31:28 < ds2> karlp: it is getting worse
2020-11-12T00:31:34 < karlp> and everyone spoke about it having always been like that.
2020-11-12T00:31:41 < zyp> ds2, I just figure that for a grid tie system, it doesn't really matter how much of my own consumption it covers, the grid will eat anything I don't use myself
2020-11-12T00:31:43 < ds2> "we want to go all electric" but no more power plants
2020-11-12T00:32:08 < karlp> right, and still running thos e horrific old nasty coal plants.
2020-11-12T00:32:09 < ds2> zyp: ah slightly different goals
2020-11-12T00:32:21 < karlp> I saw some of them and was like, "ok, I understans why you hate coal so mcuh now"
2020-11-12T00:32:26 < ds2> not like the power companies have a choice
2020-11-12T00:32:27 < kakki> ds2: electricity is not only thing unreliable in there.. right?
2020-11-12T00:32:27 < karlp> was only used to modern clean shti in .au
2020-11-12T00:32:38 < zyp> and for the time being there's still subsidized power plans where they actually pay me more for the power I make than I have to spend buying it back when I need it later
2020-11-12T00:32:46 < karlp> zyp: still?
2020-11-12T00:32:47 < ds2> no dams.. can't mess with the fish. no nukes cuz no one understands it and so forth
2020-11-12T00:32:47 < karlp> nice
2020-11-12T00:33:07 < karlp> most of the rest of .eu is back down to "hoho, you're going to just give it to us cheap, becauyse you can't do anything else with it"
2020-11-12T00:33:17 < zyp> karlp, yeah, usually limited to a given amount per year, but still
2020-11-12T00:33:17 < karlp> nukes baby. only way forward.
2020-11-12T00:33:25 < ds2> problem with most online estimates is it is for ``typical''... non tech people who use less power
2020-11-12T00:34:18 < zyp> karlp, I'm not too concerned about that, when it goes away I can start scheduling loads for when there's sun
2020-11-12T00:34:40 < kakki> zyp: what applies to norway doesn't apply to anyone else
2020-11-12T00:35:27 < ds2> zyp: no interest in battery banks?
2020-11-12T00:36:20 < zyp> ds2, my reasoning for PV is partly that it's cool, I like cool new tech, and when it'll pay for itself in a couple of years it's also a profitable investment
2020-11-12T00:36:46 < karlp> s/docker/podman/g for... reasonss....
2020-11-12T00:36:55 < qyx> ds2: now it is around 5°C, it will go to about -5°C here
2020-11-12T00:37:02 < qyx> occasionally -10, -15
2020-11-12T00:37:11 < qyx> we don't have heating yet
2020-11-12T00:37:16 < qyx> the house is not finished yet :P
2020-11-12T00:37:29 < ds2> qyx: what sort of heat will you have when it is done?
2020-11-12T00:37:50 < qyx> but it is the passive standard, so heating water using solar too
2020-11-12T00:37:52 < zyp> and it's also helping the environment
2020-11-12T00:37:56 < qyx> cogen unit fed with lpg probably
2020-11-12T00:38:16 < qyx> I plan to try wind too, but meh
2020-11-12T00:38:39 < zyp> I mean, I'm getting hydroelectric power or whatever otherwise anyway, but any clean power produced is more clean power on the market
2020-11-12T00:38:49 < ds2> qyx: what duty cycle do you expect on the co-gen unit?
2020-11-12T00:39:11 < qyx> not much, march-october is full PV & solar collectors
2020-11-12T00:39:29 < ds2> qyx: any battery for night power?
2020-11-12T00:39:32 < zyp> so in short, PV is win-win-win; it's cool, it's profitable and it's good for the environment
2020-11-12T00:39:34 < qyx> 10kWh
2020-11-12T00:39:59 < ds2> qyx: are you feeding the house 220V?
2020-11-12T00:40:26 < qyx> most of the things, yes, lighting is planned on 48V, not done yet
2020-11-12T00:40:29 < zyp> ds2, not a lot of interest in batteries
2020-11-12T00:40:53 < BrainDamage> PV panel prices havee crashed massively in the past few years
2020-11-12T00:40:56 < ds2> qyx: why 48V?
2020-11-12T00:41:13 < BrainDamage> it went down almost an order of magnitude
2020-11-12T00:41:38 < BrainDamage> microphone phantom power, obviously :v
2020-11-12T00:41:40 < qyx> because it is LEd only, no point in doing 48V -> 230V -> 36V
2020-11-12T00:42:00 < ds2> I mean vs 12V like what RVers use
2020-11-12T00:42:13 < ds2> is 48V lighting that much cheaper/easier to source?
2020-11-12T00:42:23 < qyx> no but you don't need thick cables
2020-11-12T00:42:32 < BrainDamage> 12V house wide power distribution means thicc cables
2020-11-12T00:43:08 < zyp> the problem with batteries is that it probably won't ever break even vs selling excess energy to the grid and buying it back later, so it only makes sense if you wanna go off-grid or if you're willing to pay to have the battery backup capability
2020-11-12T00:43:27 < ds2> you could distribute say 100V nominal (75-150V) and have a per room switcher to feed 12V/5V/etc to USB-C ports in each room
2020-11-12T00:43:50 < qyx> what
2020-11-12T00:44:01 < karlp> yeah, I met some dudes talking about 5V DC in every room
2020-11-12T00:44:03 < zyp> 48V makes more sense than 100V
2020-11-12T00:44:04 < ds2> a tree structure
2020-11-12T00:44:07 < karlp> and I'm like, "ummmm wire size..."
2020-11-12T00:44:16 < karlp> what's SELV limits? 50V?
2020-11-12T00:44:20 < zyp> 60V
2020-11-12T00:44:28 < karlp> 59.9 soudns about right then :)
2020-11-12T00:44:28 < qyx> 75V spike-free DN here
2020-11-12T00:44:30 < qyx> DC
2020-11-12T00:44:37 < ds2> I mean 100V nominal... with a wide variation to allow for just enough overhead on the buck switchers
2020-11-12T00:44:38 < qyx> 50V AC iirc
2020-11-12T00:44:43 < ds2> so direct feed in from the panels
2020-11-12T00:44:59 < ds2> pesky NEC issues :(
2020-11-12T00:45:01 < karlp> fucking power.
2020-11-12T00:45:04 < zyp> direct?
2020-11-12T00:45:07 < qyx> I have 150V on panels
2020-11-12T00:45:13 < zyp> you probably want MPPT on the panels anyway
2020-11-12T00:45:18 < qyx> and 100V inverters are unobtainable
2020-11-12T00:45:19 < karlp> wife complains abotu pwoer cables and things. "where do youthink the pwoer is meant to come from?!"
2020-11-12T00:45:28 < BrainDamage> direct feed is megadumb
2020-11-12T00:45:28 < qyx> haha
2020-11-12T00:45:50 < ds2> good point on the inverters
2020-11-12T00:46:22 < ds2> it is tempting to do a slow install of PV with USB-C PD to each room
2020-11-12T00:46:28 < BrainDamage> pv panels have an exponential i-v relation, the efficiency goes quickly down the drain if you let their voltage float freely
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2020-11-12T00:54:12 < BrainDamage> karlp: from steam from the ground ofc
2020-11-12T00:58:50 < aandrew> 48VAC would be nice to have in the house
2020-11-12T00:59:03 < aandrew> easy to transform, lower current, and still mets safety standards
2020-11-12T00:59:27 < qyx> you are inventing things that cannot be done using obtainable off the shelf hardware
2020-11-12T00:59:44 < qyx> if I were to make something innovative, I would use 400Vdc
2020-11-12T01:00:06 < zyp> karlp, meanwhile I've gotten everything hidden in the walls, and then wife wants to sit somewhere without a power outlet nearby and dry her hair
2020-11-12T01:00:13 < qyx> because awesome, direct conversion to 230Vac
2020-11-12T01:00:24 < qyx> low loss, much great
2020-11-12T01:00:59 < BrainDamage> I wonder if in the future houses will be dc wired only
2020-11-12T01:01:32 < zyp> oh, cordless hairdryers actually exists
2020-11-12T01:01:39 < BrainDamage> zyp: hot air ductwork >.>
2020-11-12T01:02:09 < BrainDamage> how much is their autonomy tho? hair driers draw 1.5kW easily
2020-11-12T01:02:14 < zyp> not sure the math adds up
2020-11-12T01:02:45 < zyp> spec says something about 1000W, and it also states 5000mAh battery
2020-11-12T01:02:56 < zyp> if I'm getting the math right, that's about a minute of runtime
2020-11-12T01:03:07 < qyx> 100V 5000mAh battery
2020-11-12T01:03:29 < qyx> 3.6 V * 5 Ah is about 20 Wh of electricity
2020-11-12T01:03:33 < qyx> yeah
2020-11-12T01:03:39 < qyx> *energy
2020-11-12T01:04:02 < karlp> zyp: yeah, routing cables is definitely a win for new/fake walls house building
2020-11-12T01:04:20 < qyx> I doubt they are using 1S pack for 1 kW
2020-11-12T01:04:54 < karlp> I've got 70 or 90 year old stone/conrete/"special icelandic local bullshit sort of compressed pumice" walls
2020-11-12T01:05:08 < zyp> karlp, I kinda wish they built houses with drop ceilings :)
2020-11-12T01:05:28 < karlp> when she gets told I can grind a trench in the wall and putty and paint over she's more tolerant of the cables
2020-11-12T01:05:43 < karlp> drop ceilings like office fake shits?
2020-11-12T01:05:48 < zyp> yeah
2020-11-12T01:05:48 < karlp> don't even get me started on that.
2020-11-12T01:05:54 < BrainDamage> karlp: nice, volcanic tuff can make decent radon concentration
2020-11-12T01:06:00 < karlp> wanted to put a wifi AP on the ceiling.
2020-11-12T01:06:06 < karlp> "OMG that will look so bad!"
2020-11-12T01:06:16 < karlp> "... do you want your phone to have wifi?"
2020-11-12T01:06:21 < zyp> haha
2020-11-12T01:06:24 < karlp> (4g is actualyl super good here, but...)
2020-11-12T01:06:29 < karlp> anyway, it got straight up vetoed
2020-11-12T01:06:47 < karlp> put a smoke detector on the ceiling, she didn't even notive for ~a month
2020-11-12T01:06:59 < karlp> she just saw me at the wrong time...
2020-11-12T01:07:21 < karlp> BrainDamage: nuka cola yo
2020-11-12T01:07:41 < zyp> get one of those ugly spider looking routers with 12 antennas or whatever and put it on the most visible spot in the living room
2020-11-12T01:09:22 < BrainDamage> if you have tall furniture, it's a good place to hide electronics you don't access often
2020-11-12T01:09:40 < zyp> yeah
2020-11-12T01:10:06 < zyp> that's the reason I put a network outlet in the top of one of the tall kitchen cupboards
2020-11-12T01:10:49 < zyp> if I need to put up some shit I can just throw it on top of there and it's out of the way
2020-11-12T01:11:14 < BrainDamage> not IoT cupboards with servos?
2020-11-12T01:12:30 < qyx> ds2: how does an unstabnle grid looks like? how many outages a week?
2020-11-12T01:12:39 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/PoGWT.jpg <- above the ovens here
2020-11-12T01:12:47 < zyp> outlet is in the top section
2020-11-12T01:12:57 < qyx> are there long outahes or some glitches only?
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2020-11-12T02:20:15 < ds2> qyx: so far none... problem is they keep sawing 'warning so and so may happen'
2020-11-12T02:20:41 < ds2> that was as frequent as 2-3 times a few weeks ago
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2020-11-12T02:34:33 < steve_> youtube down... world ending fast...
2020-11-12T02:41:19 < karlp> heh, thought that was a local issue
2020-11-12T02:56:24 < qyx> meh, energy independence is not cheap nor easy
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2020-11-12T03:02:23 < ds2> too bad directional couplers at AC line frequencies aren't too practical
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2020-11-12T07:47:46 < jadew> we had another peak yesterday
2020-11-12T07:49:11 < jadew> hmm, looks like the worldwide death tool / day is above 10k now
2020-11-12T07:49:25 < jadew> I think that's a first
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2020-11-12T07:59:39 < jadew> https://nypost.com/2020/11/11/medical-workers-who-took-russian-vaccine-infected-with-covid-19-report/
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2020-11-12T08:27:42 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBC2iRDXIww
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2020-11-12T08:55:45 < PaulFertser> jadew: so nypost manipulates minds by using "suggestive" article titles, how nice of them.
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2020-11-12T08:57:56 < PaulFertser> And btw, it wasn't registered for public use in August, it was registered for wider testing.
2020-11-12T09:03:34 < jadew> PaulFertser, yeah, the content of the article suggests that everything is still ok :)
2020-11-12T09:04:01 < jadew> as far as I know, vaccine producers are currently waiting for people who got the vaccines to catch covid anyway
2020-11-12T09:04:19 < jadew> so they can tell how well it's working
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2020-11-12T09:08:22 < PaulFertser> jadew: it would be hard to claim 90 % efficiency that way
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2020-11-12T10:57:23 < jadew> lmfao, I ask google to translate subtotal from english to french and the answer is "total"
2020-11-12T11:10:42 < Steffanx> And now translate total from french bach to english 
2020-11-12T11:10:46 < Steffanx> Enjoy.
2020-11-12T11:14:57 < Steffanx> From proper translations we have our personal ##stm32 translator jadew.. aka mawk
2020-11-12T11:16:34 < Steffanx> *for.
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2020-11-12T11:33:11 < karlp> unsurprisingly, st didn't let me join their h7 workshop, "sorry, full"
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2020-11-12T11:46:01 < Steffanx> Online workshop or do they even do them in iceland?
2020-11-12T11:47:00 < karlp> nah, online only, but they were going to ship boards to every participant :)
2020-11-12T11:48:50 < Steffanx> Ah fancy.
2020-11-12T11:58:41 < mawk> jadew: sous-total
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2020-11-12T12:16:45 < jadew> mawk, thanks :)
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2020-11-12T12:59:38 < jpa-> if i just want to take 5V 100mA from USB-C, do i need to do something funny with CC pins?
2020-11-12T13:00:26 < jpa-> i guess just put the pulldowns
2020-11-12T13:01:07 < zyp> depends how compliant you wanna be
2020-11-12T13:02:26 < zyp> if you just put the pulldowns without any sort of sensing, you can assume you can draw power at least according to legacy rules, i.e. as if it were a microusb socket
2020-11-12T13:14:11 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n5nOEJtrYA
2020-11-12T13:15:13 < jadew> first comment cracked me up, because that's how I got there
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2020-11-12T13:22:25 < jpa-> zyp: yeah
2020-11-12T13:24:58 < zyp> legacy rules says you can draw 100mA almost whenever
2020-11-12T13:25:03 < zyp> just not when suspended
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2020-11-12T13:26:45 < Steffanx> jadew looks for guys ripping themselves apart or what?
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2020-11-12T13:27:18 < jadew> Steffanx, the exact opposite
2020-11-12T13:28:26 < jadew> but that video is as funny as it is sad, it's worth a watch, I'm at the 10 minute mark
2020-11-12T13:29:18 < Steffanx> From his later videos it seems he did find a gf in the end
2020-11-12T13:29:40 < jadew> he already had a g/f
2020-11-12T13:29:50 < Steffanx> Really?
2020-11-12T13:29:55 < Steffanx> whokay
2020-11-12T13:29:55 < jadew> he's telling that story in the video, yeah
2020-11-12T13:30:08 < jadew> been together for 7 years, but they never kissed
2020-11-12T13:30:16 < jadew> he had to walk 5 to 10 meters behind her
2020-11-12T13:30:28 < jadew> and she would call him names all the time
2020-11-12T13:31:11 < Steffanx> lol what
2020-11-12T13:31:19 < Steffanx> I better not watch that
2020-11-12T13:31:23 < jadew> told you, you should watch it
2020-11-12T13:31:32 < jadew> I'm laughing my ass off
2020-11-12T13:32:18 < Steffanx> I cannot laugh about people with personal issues
2020-11-12T13:33:04 < jadew> that's the mindset I had when I hit play
2020-11-12T13:34:09 < Steffanx> You know this will turn you into a blaxter right?
2020-11-12T13:34:25 < Steffanx> Soon you will do nothing but visit this dramapedia
2020-11-12T13:35:56 < jadew> nah, this guy is funny because we all have insecurities
2020-11-12T13:37:13 < jadew> and I opened it in incognito, so youtube won't recommend other ugly confessions
2020-11-12T13:41:11 < Steffanx> And you gave us this for free. Thanks
2020-11-12T13:41:24 < jadew> haha, yeah :P
2020-11-12T13:42:43 < jadew> lol, he suggests that if you live in a country with lots of tourism and with a healthy middle class, you should consider moving to a country with less of that, were people are not as attractive
2020-11-12T13:55:22 < jadew> hahaha, he made an a program for an app like tinder, that automatically likes 600 people with every push of a button
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2020-11-12T13:56:16 < jadew> he did that for 6000 girls and nobody replied
2020-11-12T13:57:36 < jadew> the guy should become a comedian, this is pure gold
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2020-11-12T14:04:07 < jadew> hmm, looks like all the stuff that I buy from china gets taxes now
2020-11-12T14:04:34 < jadew> I don't think I had a package slip through this year
2020-11-12T14:17:39 < jpa-> i wouldn't be surprised if tinder and similar services have an algorithm that detects "this person just always likes everyone and never gets matches" and just ignores them
2020-11-12T14:17:56 < jpa-> i.e. don't even bother showing their ugly face to anybody
2020-11-12T14:18:02 < jadew> or if those likes were silently blocked
2020-11-12T14:18:35 < jadew> ah, I see what you mean, yeah, that would also make sense
2020-11-12T14:20:02 < jadew> reminds me of a joke I made once
2020-11-12T14:20:52 < jadew> friend of mine was complaining that "this girl wants to meet you" type of ads, have bad geolocation and it's showing him girls from several towns over
2020-11-12T14:21:15 < jadew> I told him that the geolocation probably works fine, they just couldn't find anyone interested in his town
2020-11-12T14:22:39 < Streaker> https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/jset9b/whats_a_really_easy_way_of_getting_money_that_not/gbyzn9m
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2020-11-12T15:12:02 < Steffanx> Thanks Streaker, tell me when it worked.
2020-11-12T15:13:02 < Streaker> :D
2020-11-12T15:36:42 < Mangy_Dog>  its 13:30 I guess i should start working D:
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2020-11-12T16:53:29 < GenTooMan> Mangy_Dog probably?
2020-11-12T16:53:58 < Mangy_Dog> :D
2020-11-12T17:01:39 < Steffanx> The joy when the DMA peripheral gives you an error interrupt, but you have no clue why. (yet)  \o/
2020-11-12T17:05:25 < Mangy_Dog> also stupid question ive not quite gathered
2020-11-12T17:05:34 < Mangy_Dog> the priority system in freeRTOS
2020-11-12T17:05:56 < Mangy_Dog> tskIDLE_PRIORITY + 1 is an exsample used
2020-11-12T17:06:13 < Mangy_Dog> the + 1 2 3 4 5.... higher the number the higher the priority? or lower?
2020-11-12T17:06:38 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: higher
2020-11-12T17:06:45 < Mangy_Dog> okays
2020-11-12T17:06:49 < PaulFertser> IDLE is the lowest
2020-11-12T17:06:50 < Mangy_Dog> just wanted to be sure
2020-11-12T17:07:07 < Mangy_Dog> as its a bit confusing and a little backward
2020-11-12T17:07:17 < Mangy_Dog> as usually people talking of priority 1 being most important
2020-11-12T17:07:53 < Mangy_Dog> i guess having it in reverse order allows for programmers to just add another priority without having to shift everything else along by one
2020-11-12T17:08:01 < PaulFertser> Hah you have a point there
2020-11-12T17:08:01 < Mangy_Dog> which might get confusing in really advanced projects
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2020-11-12T17:16:55 < GenTooMan> hmm they don't have a tskMAX_PRIORITY?
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2020-11-12T17:36:03 < Steffanx> Exchange Chats, kakium69
2020-11-12T17:36:59 < kakium69> IBM stock buy or not?
2020-11-12T17:37:35 < Steffanx> oh, you need the englishman for that
2020-11-12T17:41:15 < englishman> another headhunter just called me
2020-11-12T17:41:41 < englishman> ibm is a dead company but they know how to make money
2020-11-12T17:42:34 < Mangy_Dog> they di GenTooMan
2020-11-12T17:42:35 < Mangy_Dog> do
2020-11-12T17:42:58 < Steffanx> How they find your number mr englishman?
2020-11-12T17:44:11 < englishman> dickedin probably
2020-11-12T17:44:17 < englishman> though the last one was through a friend
2020-11-12T17:44:28 < Steffanx> dickedin doesnt know my number
2020-11-12T17:44:43 < Mangy_Dog> i had a headhunter several weeks ago call me, utterly enthusiastic thought i was a perfect match for this 100 year old tech firm in cornwall... good salary too and tbh i was rather up for this one.... he said he felt i was a perfect match and would get a interview shortly, and then i never heard from them again
2020-11-12T17:44:56 < Steffanx> but this rocketreach crap seems to know A LOT. its almost scaryt
2020-11-12T17:45:11 < englishman> yes, big industry
2020-11-12T17:45:34 < englishman> i mean if you can find someone just as good buy pay them 20% less for 5 years, and the headhunter takes half of the difference, that's a lot of dough for a week's work
2020-11-12T17:45:51 < englishman> *but pay them
2020-11-12T17:47:55 < Steffanx> i fucking HATE headhunters. One even had the courage to call me at my work.. not using my phone number but work's number. -_-
2020-11-12T17:49:31 < effractur> jup
2020-11-12T17:49:34 < effractur> they are assholes
2020-11-12T17:49:48 < karlp> man, making a jig for programming boards is a pain in the arse
2020-11-12T17:50:03 < karlp> whose idea was it to make a soldered 90° board assembly anyway?
2020-11-12T17:50:46 < karlp> 3d printer would be awesome
2020-11-12T17:51:00 < karlp> flared outline of the pcb, self centers
2020-11-12T17:51:11 < karlp> only another X man months learning how that works I guess :)
2020-11-12T18:04:12 < englishman> btw ill be using SN74AXC4T245RSV
2020-11-12T18:04:17 < englishman> for a level shifter
2020-11-12T18:04:26 < englishman> - outputs hiZ when one VCC not present
2020-11-12T18:04:39 < englishman> - directional, lots of OEs
2020-11-12T18:04:52 < englishman> - working for 1.8->3.3 and vice versa
2020-11-12T18:05:34 < aandrew> englishman: oh, that's a nice device
2020-11-12T18:05:39 < aandrew> especially the HiZ
2020-11-12T18:08:33 < englishman> not bad
2020-11-12T18:08:40 < englishman> also comes in 8pin but only one OE for all eight
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2020-11-12T18:40:59 < karlp> heh, doesn't do 5V at all :)
2020-11-12T18:41:36 < karlp> 0.65V and up though, pretty cute
2020-11-12T19:16:32 < englishman> what's 5v
2020-11-12T19:17:04 < englishman> never heard of it
2020-11-12T19:23:22 < Steffanx> Welcome to the new order, englishman
2020-11-12T19:24:19 < englishman> aandrew: looks like HBC will be bankrupt within a year
2020-11-12T19:24:21 < englishman> rip
2020-11-12T19:24:34 < aandrew> englishman: they've been swirling around hte toilet for years now
2020-11-12T19:24:51 < englishman> yup, sucks
2020-11-12T19:25:13 < englishman> where else do you go for middle to high end stuff
2020-11-12T19:25:44 < aandrew> I really haven't bought anything from there in ages
2020-11-12T19:27:12 < englishman> right, your wardrobe consists of only underwear and slippers tho right
2020-11-12T19:34:35 < GenTooMan> sounds like most people these days. They were pajamas to work and the store. O_o
2020-11-12T19:34:52 < zyp> Steffanx, just be useless, then nobody wants to hire you
2020-11-12T19:35:01 < Steffanx> ah, excellent idea.
2020-11-12T19:35:06 < zyp> works for me
2020-11-12T19:35:38 < Steffanx> I always feel like that, but then i see the code others produce and then suddenly i feel better :D
2020-11-12T19:36:04 < GenTooMan> it's better than having an inflated ego like marketing people.
2020-11-12T19:37:11 < zyp> I think I've only talked to a headhunter like once
2020-11-12T19:37:37 < GenTooMan> some are very good others are very driven
2020-11-12T19:45:40 < aandrew> englishman: that's becasue I'm a pro
2020-11-12T19:45:47 < aandrew> I don't waste time worrying about fashion
2020-11-12T19:46:19 < aandrew> GenTooMan: there are only two agencies I"ve ever worked with that are worthwhile: Oxford International and Roan. Every single other one has been utter shit
2020-11-12T19:48:43 < Steffanx> Is HBC what it is in dutchland? Halal Burgerse & Chicken?
2020-11-12T19:49:33 < englishman> no it is a department store and probably the oldest canadian business that made their money trading shiny junk to natives for beaver pelts
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2020-11-12T19:49:58 < englishman> like the east india trading company, but for canada
2020-11-12T19:50:40 < englishman> complete with armed forces and navy
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2020-11-12T19:56:33 < GenTooMan> aandrew fashion is one thing but looking like you are homeless is another. However the other side of that is some of the best dressed engineers I met, were just the biggest <censored> people and pretty disappointing to work with.
2020-11-12T19:57:20 < englishman> i agree
2020-11-12T19:57:22 < englishman> but
2020-11-12T19:57:26 < englishman> i still own a shirt with a collar
2020-11-12T19:57:50 < aandrew> looking like you're homeless is also a fashion
2020-11-12T19:58:16 < aandrew> no need to censor yourself here; we don't give a fuck what you write
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2020-11-12T20:12:38 < Steffanx> Language, aandrew, language.
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2020-11-12T21:48:46 < aandrew> woo
2020-11-12T21:49:01 < aandrew> new contract with OnSemi, although they want biweekly billing and net 30 terms, which sucks balls
2020-11-12T21:49:20 < aandrew> although they originally wanted monthly billing and net 60 so that's a step up I guess
2020-11-12T21:49:30 < Steffanx> Will you get an OnSemi laptop too now or what?
2020-11-12T21:49:43 < Steffanx> ( still curious why you have that analol laptop)
2020-11-12T21:49:53 < aandrew> I hope not, I just got an ADI one yesterday and I can't even log in yet becuase the SecurID token for VPN isn't working
2020-11-12T21:49:54 < englishman> he meant this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_computer
2020-11-12T21:50:30 < englishman> hes being paid $250/hr to port openssl to a glorified water wheel
2020-11-12T21:50:48 < Steffanx> Sounds cool.
2020-11-12T21:50:50 < aandrew> they want me to work on their equipment, so what I'm hoping to do (which is what I typically do) is just put it on a shelf and RDP in to it, and set up Putty for ssh port forwarding and SOCKS5 so I can hit their networks through the laptop instead of actually use their shit
2020-11-12T21:52:20 < aandrew> heh no, it has to do with some cellular DDS chip
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2020-11-12T22:45:31 < zyp> qyx, https://bin.jvnv.net/file/PHDp7.jpg <- three phase outlet in place
2020-11-12T22:48:13 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/R8qAK.jpg <- compressor also appears to work fine
2020-11-12T22:50:06 < zyp> tried firing it up for a second or so and it sounded good as well, don't wanna run it any more tonight since I don't wanna bother the neighbors with noise at 21:30
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2020-11-12T23:31:39 < benishor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcH3oHTt64o&ab_channel=Loudwire
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2020-11-13T00:56:51 < karlp> englishman: eh, have some "legacy" analog shit that's 5v, new analog shit is 3v
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2020-11-13T01:02:32 < qyx> zyp: at least you don't havo to chech the direction if you have a vfd :p
2020-11-13T01:02:59 < zyp> the manual actually states I should
2020-11-13T01:03:37 < zyp> and the guy I bought it from reminded me to review that part of the manual
2020-11-13T01:03:58 < zyp> but yeah, I think it's bullshit, probably copypasted from a non-vfd manual
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2020-11-13T01:04:44 < zyp> I also do think I have the wrong phase order, because fucker who did the main panel swapped brown and grey on the OV inlet
2020-11-13T01:05:40 < zyp> loads on L3 marked circuits show up on L2 in the meter readings, so I think the colors are correct in the other end
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2020-11-13T01:06:10 < Steffanx> Whops
2020-11-13T01:06:20 < zyp> probably gonna fix that some day, just inconvenient to have to turn off the entire supply for the house
2020-11-13T01:06:51 < zyp> although I did that by accident yesterday :p
2020-11-13T01:07:41 < zyp> rubbed against the OV and flipped it off while I were wrestling the cable into place
2020-11-13T01:08:13 < qyx> how did he manage to swap L2 and L3?
2020-11-13T01:08:24 < zyp> colorblindness? idk
2020-11-13T01:08:49 < qyx> it seems brown-black-grey are common in the eu
2020-11-13T01:09:01 < qyx> some use black-brown-grey
2020-11-13T01:09:10 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/46MYs.jpg <- if you look closely, the wires into the OV goes black, gray, brown, blue
2020-11-13T01:09:11 < qyx> like here in the past
2020-11-13T01:09:17 < qyx> but grey is always last
2020-11-13T01:09:39 < zyp> standard here is apparently black, brown, grey, blue, so I did all the new stuff that way
2020-11-13T01:09:55 < zyp> and yeah
2020-11-13T01:10:10 < zyp> there's been differences in whether black or brown is first here too
2020-11-13T01:10:23 < zyp> apparently it's not super strict
2020-11-13T01:10:31 < zyp> the only strict part is that N is always blue
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2020-11-13T01:12:27 < qyx> I wonder why didn't they define it strictly
2020-11-13T01:13:18 < qyx> also, your 4pole 0V and switch are bevause of IT-sometimes?
2020-11-13T01:14:17 < qyx> oh I bought some stuff for the panel today, I didn't even unpack it
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2020-11-13T03:34:27 < kakilate> hello yes
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2020-11-13T03:51:45 < machinehum> Freecad is non-horrible
2020-11-13T03:52:02 < machinehum> Especially for foss
2020-11-13T03:55:50 < veverak> O_o
2020-11-13T03:55:56 < veverak> did something changed last year or two?
2020-11-13T03:56:05 < veverak> *has
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2020-11-13T05:06:02 < machinehum> 0.19
2020-11-13T05:06:07 < machinehum> Assembly 4
2020-11-13T05:06:33 < machinehum> To be fair I used it 6 years ago
2020-11-13T05:06:40 < machinehum> And it was a hairy buthole
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2020-11-13T08:49:41 < jadew> my wife was hoping to get some kitchen appliance cheaper for black friday, with 34% discount, price went up from 260 to 392
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2020-11-13T09:08:02 < Steffanx> Hahahaha black friday in europe
2020-11-13T09:08:22 < Steffanx> We should stop trying to do those yankee things
2020-11-13T09:18:50 < jadew> I checked the store a couple of minutes after black friday started and the couple of real deals that they had were already out of stock
2020-11-13T09:19:11 < jadew> probably low qty and the employees got those
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2020-11-13T09:53:54 < jpa-> jadew: black friday? isn't it still a few weeks until that?
2020-11-13T09:54:16 < jadew> jpa-, don't know... seems to be today over here
2020-11-13T09:54:32 < jpa-> heh, it's 27.11. here AFAIK
2020-11-13T10:13:41 < Steffanx> What will you get me for my birthday, jpa- ?
2020-11-13T10:18:36 < jpa-> Steffanx: i don't know when it is :)
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2020-11-13T10:40:17 < jadew> I'm getting injustice 2
2020-11-13T10:40:22 < jadew> with the legendary pack
2020-11-13T10:40:32 < jadew> 75% discount and it includes power girl :P
2020-11-13T10:42:47 < Steffanx> Soon, jpa- 
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2020-11-13T10:52:27 < jadew> the gift option on steam is great, you can set up a delivery date/hour
2020-11-13T10:56:19 < mawk> Steffanx my company is renewing my contract, I don't get it
2020-11-13T10:56:28 < mawk> I'm the worst employee
2020-11-13T11:04:26 < jpa-> mawk: you make everyone else feel better about themselves
2020-11-13T11:04:30 < jpa-> that's an important task
2020-11-13T11:23:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmmm.
2020-11-13T11:24:49 < Jak_o_Shadows> For the christmas lights (ie. a time-varying PWM value, and a duration to stay this value). Shuld I have each light state be a struct (and have an array of them), or have arrays of pwm, duration?
2020-11-13T11:24:51 < jadew> jpa-, but if everyone feels good about themselves, they won't strive to do better
2020-11-13T11:25:47 < jpa-> jadew: really? for me it works the opposite
2020-11-13T11:26:01 < jpa-> feeling bad about myself has never helped me do better
2020-11-13T11:26:26 < jadew> jpa-, well, if they compare themselves with someone blow their skill level, they could end up thinking they're so awesome, there's nothing else to improve
2020-11-13T11:27:29 < mawk> I'm not below their skill level
2020-11-13T11:27:34 < mawk> I'm above their laziness level
2020-11-13T11:28:16 < Jak_o_Shadows> mawk, that'll do
2020-11-13T11:28:19 < jadew> jpa-, you're probably right, but I can think of a couple of things where the opposite applies
2020-11-13T11:28:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> Some initiative and effort is the main thing
2020-11-13T11:28:49 < jadew> mainly for things you would rather not do, regardless of your state of mind
2020-11-13T11:28:54 < jadew> example: exercising
2020-11-13T11:29:08 < mawk> have an array of structs of course Jak_o_Shadows 
2020-11-13T11:29:10 < jadew> if you feel good about yourself, there's no reason to exercise, cuz it sucks anyway
2020-11-13T11:29:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> mawk, that's what I was leaning towards... if only so there's less places to have to deal with size checks.
2020-11-13T11:30:38 < jpa-> jadew: if you feel good about your body and value it, that could cause one to appreciate it and work to make it stay healthy
2020-11-13T11:31:04 < jadew> jpa-, maybe, I wouldn't know what that's like lol
2020-11-13T11:31:27 < jpa-> jadew: so, do you feel good or bad about your body?
2020-11-13T11:31:37 < jadew> bad
2020-11-13T11:31:43 < jpa-> are you exercising?
2020-11-13T11:31:46 < jadew> yes
2020-11-13T11:31:56 < jpa-> does it help?
2020-11-13T11:32:17 < jadew> it's a very very slow process and I don't know if it helps yet
2020-11-13T11:32:27 < jpa-> ok, hopefully it does :)
2020-11-13T11:32:41 < jadew> yeah, I hope so too :)
2020-11-13T11:33:48 < jadew> I've been lifting weights for > 2 moths, in a very serious manner (>1 hour at every 2 days)
2020-11-13T11:34:08 < jadew> and there's 0 visible proof of that
2020-11-13T11:34:54 < jadew> for the parts where it might be visible, it's very hard to tell if it's just in my mind or not
2020-11-13T11:35:05 < jadew> (I've been super skinny my whole life)
2020-11-13T11:36:20 < jadew> I did experience an increase in strength tho and I don't make tin-man noises anymore, when I move
2020-11-13T11:37:16 < thement> you have to eat like 500g of ham every morning if you want to look like you lift weights
2020-11-13T11:37:47 < jadew> thement, I'm eating more too
2020-11-13T11:38:03 < jadew> more than I need
2020-11-13T11:38:36 < jadew> I can't reach the recommended level of protein/day tho
2020-11-13T11:38:51 < jadew> I would have to stuff my mouth with 2 stakes on every meal
2020-11-13T11:38:58 < jadew> that's just silly
2020-11-13T11:58:42 < mawk> jpa-: I feel good about my body, I value it, and I still stuff designer drugs in various holes of it
2020-11-13T11:59:00 < mawk> what would Sigmund say
2020-11-13T12:35:53 < jpa-> mawk: well that's just because you live in the druggenlands
2020-11-13T12:37:23 < mawk> :(
2020-11-13T12:38:16 < jadew> "various holes"?
2020-11-13T12:45:33 < mawk> yes
2020-11-13T12:45:41 < mawk> mouth, nostril, vein
2020-11-13T12:45:44 < mawk> and other various holes
2020-11-13T12:46:11 < BrainDamage> veins are not holes for most people, in fact if they have a hole it's quite a concern
2020-11-13T12:46:25 < mawk> do you want to know more jadew ? you need to prove your heterosexuality to me before we discuss this topic
2020-11-13T12:46:54 < mawk> it's a temporary hole that plugs itself by the magic of coagulation
2020-11-13T12:47:40 < jadew> what are the injectable drugs?
2020-11-13T12:48:02 < jadew> I thought those are for hardcore junkies only
2020-11-13T12:48:34 < BrainDamage> TIL diabetes turns you in a junkie
2020-11-13T12:48:54 < mawk> almost everything is injectable
2020-11-13T12:49:06 < mawk> only the drugs that require the first metabolic pass in your belly can't be injected
2020-11-13T12:49:07 < BrainDamage> not that you should
2020-11-13T12:49:12 < mawk> lol
2020-11-13T12:50:26 < qyx> related https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-11-05
2020-11-13T12:50:52 < mawk> I learnt the creator of dilbert is a conspiracy theorist nutjob
2020-11-13T12:51:02 < mawk> lol
2020-11-13T12:56:37 < Ultrasauce> i wanna know what you are boofing
2020-11-13T12:56:41 < BrainDamage> also https://i.pinimg.com/originals/43/18/10/431810eafe7a8ab80baae4bbebbc84e1.jpg
2020-11-13T12:58:38 < BrainDamage> and a bit more tangentially related: https://old.reddit.com/r/BrandNewSentence/comments/bn5e57/my_roommate_succeeded_in_giving_himself/ true or not it's a good story
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2020-11-13T13:06:27 < jadew>  that could be turned into a product
2020-11-13T13:07:09 < jadew> lots of drunks could save money for other stuff
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2020-11-13T14:56:06 < karlp> so, is "legitmate interest" how the lawyers worked out that they could msotly ignore GPDR?
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2020-11-13T15:23:47 < mawk> apparently
2020-11-13T15:23:53 < mawk> you want my source Ultrasauce ?
2020-11-13T15:23:58 < mawk> what's your guilty pleasure?
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2020-11-13T16:47:41 < jadew> karlp, what's that about?
2020-11-13T16:48:07 < jadew> btw, you can ignore GDPR for a variety of reasons, but that is by design
2020-11-13T16:49:17 < karlp> so, you used to get the gpdr popup, and you can "reject"
2020-11-13T16:49:43 < karlp> and nowadays, reject means "you rejected, but we have a legitmate interest, so you need to go and manually object to them as well, because fuck you"
2020-11-13T16:50:10 < jadew> heh
2020-11-13T16:53:48 < jadew> on my website, I just made it possible for users remove their information, because I don't need to store their address or any of that after the transaction has taken place
2020-11-13T16:54:30 < jadew> but I have to keep it as part of the invoicing system (by law), for 10 or 15 years, so it never goes away anyway
2020-11-13T16:55:59 < jadew> from how I understand GDPR, it only becomes a problem if you have lots of customers or you're really gathering lots of things you shouldn't
2020-11-13T16:57:30 < BrainDamage> correct, and a lot of companies panic'ed for the latter
2020-11-13T16:58:43 < jadew> in their defense tho, they do have a legitimate interest in that information :)
2020-11-13T16:58:45 < BrainDamage> and really, pre-existing laws already covered similar topics, but they didn't have serious penalty powers, this one has, or at least, should have
2020-11-13T16:58:58 < Ultrastaffel> As always, it was a measure to make smaller enterprises jump through a lot of hoops and spend money they don't have to comply, while big companies continue to vaccum up as much data as they want (thereby completely ignoring GDPR) because they can afford the legal fees.
2020-11-13T16:59:42 < jadew> Ultrastaffel, I don't think that's the case here really
2020-11-13T16:59:46 < BrainDamage> considering small enterprises are flat out excluded, you're plain wrong
2020-11-13T16:59:55 < jadew> small companies don't have to comply with a lot of it
2020-11-13T16:59:58 < jadew> yeah
2020-11-13T17:00:17 < Ultrastaffel> oh wow really? i am looking at it all wrong then - from an american perspective.
2020-11-13T17:00:19 < BrainDamage> unless you have a social capital of 10M, you don't even get touched by the gdpr
2020-11-13T17:00:30 < Ultrastaffel> because if a GDPR ever happened in the USA, that's what it would be :D
2020-11-13T17:01:12 < karlp> thought staffel was an odd suffix for the Ultra I knew....
2020-11-13T17:09:04 < jadew> do any of the gaming consoles allow you to run steam?
2020-11-13T17:09:27 < jadew> or they have their own ecosystem?
2020-11-13T17:15:23 < englishman> gdpr just means a bunch of new popups that you have to delete in the chrome inspector
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2020-11-13T17:20:17 < englishman> hmm just got spam about TCPP01-M12
2020-11-13T17:20:36 < englishman> looks like it does almost everything TPD6S300A does at half the price
2020-11-13T17:21:56 < englishman> oh no wonder, it doesnt protect data lines
2020-11-13T17:25:44 < aandrew> englishman: the ST USBC protection?
2020-11-13T17:25:47 < aandrew> I just got that email
2020-11-13T17:29:11 < englishman> i guess that + some basic D line diodes is still cheaper than tpd6s300a
2020-11-13T17:29:19 < englishman> and smaller
2020-11-13T17:35:06 < BrainDamage> jadew: each has its own ecosystem
2020-11-13T17:35:36 < BrainDamage> there was an attempt from steam to make a "pc console", but it went nowhere
2020-11-13T17:35:57 < jadew> that would be cool tho
2020-11-13T17:36:09 < jadew> I guess I can just buy a compact PC with decent graphics
2020-11-13T17:36:17 < karlp> that'ðs why it didn't really go anywhere.
2020-11-13T17:36:23 < karlp> pc gamers gonna pc
2020-11-13T17:37:01 < BrainDamage> well, the point of it was to let the console market access pc titles
2020-11-13T17:37:20 < BrainDamage> and possibly compete with the stupid existance of modern consoles
2020-11-13T17:37:54 < BrainDamage> when a ps4 requires updates, checking for hd, installation process, etc
2020-11-13T17:38:05 < BrainDamage> it's really not much better than a pc
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2020-11-13T17:40:40 < karlp> sure, but it's way less hassle than owning a gaming pc
2020-11-13T17:41:06 < karlp> I might have some mediocre load times, but if I can buy it, it will work.
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2020-11-13T17:41:52 < jadew> hmm, I guess you could make steam auto start in big picture mode - that's probably what it is for
2020-11-13T17:43:05 < Ultrastaffel> this is why i play MUDs. no need for fancy PCs or consoles. telnet will do.
2020-11-13T17:43:57 < zyp> no need for internet, lora will do
2020-11-13T17:47:22 < Ultrastaffel> zyp: damn rite! :)
2020-11-13T17:48:51 < qyx> lo-what?
2020-11-13T17:50:11 < qyx> that rn2843 thing with 1.0.5 is constantly and systematically trying to make me conditionally stable only
2020-11-13T17:51:15 < qyx> now, after 2 days, it decided to respond ith busy whatever I do and however long I wait
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2020-11-13T18:03:49 < BrainDamage> karlp: I meant as in, a steam machine/console in principle would have a place, provided it's as hassle-free as a real console
2020-11-13T18:12:26 < jadew> what hassle would there be?
2020-11-13T18:12:58 < jadew> you remove/disable everything unnecessary, let automatic updates do its thing automatically
2020-11-13T18:13:39 < BrainDamage> for example, without fixed hw there's the issues of drivers, compatibility, min specs, etc
2020-11-13T18:14:42 < jadew> windows kinda detects everything at install time
2020-11-13T18:14:54 < jadew> you'll most likely just have to install the nvidia drivers
2020-11-13T18:15:02 < jadew> (if it doesn't install those too)
2020-11-13T18:15:08 < BrainDamage> yes, the point is avoiding the "just"
2020-11-13T18:15:34 < jadew> well, there would still be other things you had to do
2020-11-13T18:16:07 < BrainDamage> the point of a console is to have the experience as plug n play as possible
2020-11-13T18:16:12 < BrainDamage> eg joypad pairing
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2020-11-13T19:07:48 < aandrew> blah. shitty that all the dual-usb-c chargers I can find that can do up to 90W will limit each port to 45 if both are in use. If i am charging something at 18W then the other should be able to provide 60W or better without exceeding the supply spec
2020-11-13T19:17:57 < englishman> speaking of which
2020-11-13T19:18:27 < englishman> where can I find good, high quality 45w usb chargers that I can buy in bulk from a legit company, with worldwide options
2020-11-13T19:18:46 < englishman> I can get artesyn chargers from digikey but they're $45
2020-11-13T19:19:01 < englishman> ite supplies are like $9
2020-11-13T19:19:41 < aandrew> that's a very good question
2020-11-13T19:21:17 < englishman> I got some $20 chinese supplies but they are too cheap shit quality to sell
2020-11-13T19:21:36 < englishman> they say (c)2003 on them
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2020-11-13T19:22:03 < englishman> super bonus points if I can put my logo on them
2020-11-13T19:22:17 < englishman> sinpro prints our logo , single quantity for free
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2020-11-13T20:11:52 < BrainDamage> I know aukey shit on amazon is around that price, maybe see if they have bulk options?
2020-11-13T20:17:35 < englishman> hmm good idea
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2020-11-13T20:48:02 < englishman> TCPP01-M12 dead battery function is no more needed, it must be disabled.
2020-11-13T20:48:06 < englishman> nice chinglish in ST docs
2020-11-13T20:58:08 < c10ud> https://twitter.com/ghidraninja/ nintendo stm32 
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2020-11-13T21:57:58 < karlp> BrainDamage: right, gotcha.
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2020-11-13T22:36:23 < Steffanx> So who of your looked for dildos and aukey on amazon?
2020-11-13T22:36:42 < Steffanx> I looked for aukey and it comes up with a fake dick on the first page -_-
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2020-11-13T22:59:43 < jadew> maybe it's a metaphor, related to aupair
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2020-11-13T23:38:44 < jadew> are these any good? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HDMI-To-USB-Conference-Video-Capture-Card-Plug-And-Play-High-Speed-1080P-60fps/184530469256
2020-11-13T23:39:06 < jadew> speaking of which, dongs, are you still alive?
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2020-11-13T23:50:55 < aandrew> jadew: I have a similar card. works very well actually. shows up as a UVC device
2020-11-13T23:53:27 < jadew> aandrew, good to know, guess I'll get one then
2020-11-13T23:57:19 < aandrew> yep. the USB3 one apparently can do uncompressed (or much less compressed), USB2 needs to be MJPEG IIRC
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2020-11-14T00:01:16 < jadew> ah ha!
2020-11-14T00:01:34 < jadew> I was looking at the USB3 one and was thinking that maybe they were able to disable some of the compression
2020-11-14T00:01:38 < jadew> good to know
2020-11-14T00:02:55 < jadew> got the USB3 one
2020-11-14T00:02:57 < Steffanx> jadew: mr d is mainly active on telegram now. Or at least more active 
2020-11-14T00:03:13 < jadew> Steffanx, what's telegram? is it like IRC?
2020-11-14T00:03:37 < Steffanx> No more like whatsapp and shit. 
2020-11-14T00:03:42 < Steffanx> Maybe nkt
2020-11-14T00:03:44 < Steffanx> Not
2020-11-14T00:03:46 < jadew> ah
2020-11-14T00:04:01 < Steffanx> Its more a messenger, but with channels like irc
2020-11-14T00:04:14 < Steffanx> So maybe its more like irc than whatsapp :P
2020-11-14T00:04:15 < jadew> that's interesting
2020-11-14T00:04:19 < jadew> I'll give it a try
2020-11-14T00:04:33 < jadew> is there a stm32 over there?
2020-11-14T00:04:39 < Steffanx> Yeah
2020-11-14T00:04:40 < jadew> ##
2020-11-14T00:04:43 < Steffanx> And cats
2020-11-14T00:04:44 < jadew> ah, cool
2020-11-14T00:05:20 < Steffanx> To behonest is just irc but with worse clients
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2020-11-14T00:31:39 < jadew> it's like irc, but whatsappy
2020-11-14T00:34:03 < Steffanx> Yeah
2020-11-14T00:38:20 < upgrdman> whatsfappy
2020-11-14T00:38:25 < jadew> there are several people there that I don't know who they are
2020-11-14T00:39:13 < mawk> it's not really whatsappy jadew 
2020-11-14T00:39:16 < mawk> it's ircy
2020-11-14T00:39:27 < mawk> do not listen to Steffanx 
2020-11-14T00:39:33 < mawk> he's not a telegram pro master like me
2020-11-14T00:40:13 < Steffanx> Its whatsappy. Its awful.
2020-11-14T00:40:17 < mawk> nooo
2020-11-14T00:40:20 < mawk> nonsense
2020-11-14T00:41:07 < Steffanx> No.
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2020-11-14T01:10:31 < englishman> it's easier to post cat pix
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2020-11-14T01:54:47 < jadew> apparently there's a way for trump to win
2020-11-14T01:55:29 < jadew> if I understood this correctly, if they keep it in limbo long enough, the senate (or the house?) gets to vote on who the president should be
2020-11-14T01:55:46 < jadew> turns out that's what the constitution specifies
2020-11-14T01:56:12 < jadew> and they people who can vote there are mostly republicans lol
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2020-11-14T01:58:04 < jadew> *the people
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2020-11-14T02:04:50 < qyx> jadew: are you un the whatsappy thing?
2020-11-14T02:04:56 < qyx> which one are you
2020-11-14T02:06:03 < jadew> ra
2020-11-14T02:06:20 < qyx> ah noice
2020-11-14T02:06:23 < qyx> just joined
2020-11-14T02:06:55 < jadew> yeah
2020-11-14T02:08:55 < qyx> some spam about XLAMP ® XM-L3 LED
2020-11-14T02:09:30 < qyx> 700 mA at 2.75 V, about 350 lm
2020-11-14T02:09:53 < qyx> thats 181 lm/W, quite impressive
2020-11-14T02:09:59 < qyx> you can feed the thing with 5 A
2020-11-14T02:11:31 < qyx> thats 470 % of 350 lm, 1600 lm from a 5mm LED
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2020-11-14T03:27:06 < mawk> yes but the new senate jadew 
2020-11-14T03:27:09 < mawk> and elections are not over
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2020-11-14T20:11:51 < steve_> craigslist rss feeds nuked.  wah
2020-11-14T20:31:45 < GenTooMan> steve_ umm OK?
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2020-11-14T21:32:52 < mawk> Steffanx: a disgusting botox'd creature asked me for me ID at the tobacco shop
2020-11-14T21:32:54 < mawk> wtf
2020-11-14T21:33:12 < mawk> maybe she wanted my name to come attack me in my sleep
2020-11-14T21:44:41 < Streaker> succubi are real
2020-11-14T22:08:59 < specing> lol
2020-11-14T22:29:52 < Steffanx> hm
2020-11-14T22:30:38 < Steffanx> How young are you mawk?
2020-11-14T22:31:46 < Steffanx> Some have to policy to ask for ID when they think you could possibly be younger than 25
2020-11-14T22:38:05 < mawk> I'm 5² years old
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2020-11-14T22:45:37 < Steffanx> I dont know how to square.
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2020-11-14T22:49:05 < mawk> yes you do
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2020-11-14T22:50:23 < Steffanx> Don tell me what i can and cannot do sir.
2020-11-14T22:51:35 < mawk> yes I can
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2020-11-14T23:02:21 < Ultrastaffel> mawk: have you thought about quitting tobacco?
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2020-11-14T23:26:22 < mawk> I don't smoke Ultrastaffel 
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2020-11-14T23:26:27 < mawk> I have ecigarette
2020-11-14T23:26:32 < mawk> the tobacco is for rolling joints
2020-11-14T23:27:16 < BrainDamage> I'd have imagined you'd have used some extraction method instead
2020-11-14T23:27:35 < BrainDamage> weren't you the one going for "better living through chemistry" ?
2020-11-14T23:27:44 < mawk> lol yes
2020-11-14T23:27:52 < mawk> the joint is for the zombie in my apartment, not for me
2020-11-14T23:27:53 < Ultrastaffel> isn't that monsanto's old slogan?
2020-11-14T23:27:56 < mawk> I hate cannabis anyway
2020-11-14T23:28:14 < Ultrastaffel> Mawkmart. Save Money. Live better!
2020-11-14T23:28:19 < mawk> DuPont, Ultrastaffel 
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2020-11-15T00:58:19 < GenTooMan> monsanto's would be we live better through your sacrifice.
2020-11-15T00:59:04 < GenTooMan> or as the Japanese might say "die that we may prosper"
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2020-11-15T01:22:05 < mawk> BrainDamage: otherwise yes butane extraction of THC is the best thing
2020-11-15T01:22:24 < mawk> you just have to be careful to not end up in the local newspaper under "methlab explosion"
2020-11-15T01:23:23 < mawk> it's highly soluble in apolar solvants and then you skip tannins extraction
2020-11-15T01:23:28 < mawk> you end up with a kind of honey
2020-11-15T01:25:29 < mawk> that's all fine but I still hate cannabis
2020-11-15T01:25:32 < mawk> it makes you stupid
2020-11-15T01:25:36 < mawk> and I like my brain
2020-11-15T01:26:14 < BrainDamage> temporarily or permanently?
2020-11-15T01:26:22 < mawk> that depends
2020-11-15T01:26:30 < mawk> if you start too young, both
2020-11-15T01:26:38 < mawk> but even temporarily is too much for me
2020-11-15T01:26:42 < mawk> I need my full brain at all times
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2020-11-15T11:45:42 < Steffanx> I know about a drug that even makes you (a little) stupid, mawk
2020-11-15T11:45:49 < Steffanx> And you use that one
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2020-11-15T11:48:03 < Steffanx> Actually its quite a list.
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2020-11-15T15:35:15 < jadew> more black friday deals: xbox controller that I bought a couple of months ago for 220, it's now 450, "reduced from 712"
2020-11-15T15:35:52 < jadew> 36% discount
2020-11-15T15:38:32 < Steffanx> You have an xbox?
2020-11-15T15:38:49 < jadew> no, but they work with PCs too
2020-11-15T15:38:55 < jadew> and they're great controllers
2020-11-15T15:39:02 < jadew> I wanted to buy another one
2020-11-15T15:39:03 < Steffanx> You game?
2020-11-15T15:39:19 < jadew> my son does, and I need another controller to play injustice 2 with him
2020-11-15T15:39:36 < jadew> well, I have another controller, but it's not as nice as the xbox ones
2020-11-15T15:40:11 < Steffanx> my clone was pretty cheap iirc
2020-11-15T15:40:13 < jadew> and to be perfectly honest, I also bought mortal kombat for myself, and I need a controller to play that too :P
2020-11-15T15:40:36 < Steffanx> use it for my cnc sometimes, but .. not very often.
2020-11-15T15:41:07 < jadew> if I can't get it at a similar price with what I paid in the summer, I'll get a clone too
2020-11-15T15:41:31 < jadew> but I like the quality of the original, it feels very good compared with my other controllers
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2020-11-15T16:04:50 < karlp> Steffanx: do you use it for manual milling?
2020-11-15T16:06:53 < Steffanx> Not really. Mainly just to move it around
2020-11-15T16:11:28 < karlp> but.. why do you need that? I mean, if it's comptuer controlled, it just does it's thing? why do you need a controller attached?
2020-11-15T16:13:26 < Steffanx> because manual jogging is a thing ;) I can use the buttons on the screen or add a controller and use that for the jogging. To zero the job without using the touch probe for example.
2020-11-15T16:13:59 < Steffanx> Actually the controller buttons are just mapped to a key press.
2020-11-15T16:14:31 < Steffanx> or to move the spindle out of the way
2020-11-15T16:18:40 < Steffanx> Just a super cheapskate alternative to a cnc pendant, karlp
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2020-11-15T17:14:37 < jpa-> karlp: there is quite a bit of manual moving involved when you try to get the 3D model and a physical workpiece aligned :)
2020-11-15T17:15:22 < mawk> which one Steffanx ?
2020-11-15T17:17:38 < BrainDamage> the alternative would be machine vision, but that requires a bit computational resources
2020-11-15T17:18:11 < jpa-> BrainDamage: does that actually work in practice? usually the CAD model doesn't even include the workpiece *before* machining
2020-11-15T17:18:41 < jpa-> machine vision can help for similar stuff as touch probe, ie. "precisely locate this corner here", but you still need to guide it close to the corner first
2020-11-15T17:18:45 < BrainDamage> for zeroing, yes
2020-11-15T17:19:34 < BrainDamage> yeah, you need to be close to the right place
2020-11-15T17:19:53 < jpa-> yeah, that's what a gamepad is good for
2020-11-15T17:20:09 < jpa-> it's pretty crappy for anything needing precision
2020-11-15T17:28:31 < Steffanx> love related hormones, mawk :P
2020-11-15T17:30:01 < mawk> :(
2020-11-15T17:38:29 < Steffanx> haha mawk
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2020-11-15T18:00:52 < karlp> reallllly felt like I wanted a 3d printer the other day, for making pcb test jigs,
2020-11-15T18:01:02 < Steffanx> but
2020-11-15T18:01:03 < karlp> but reallllly not sure I want to go down that rabbit hole
2020-11-15T18:01:17 < mawk> what do you have to lose karlp 
2020-11-15T18:01:18 < Steffanx> Depends on how much you want to spend
2020-11-15T18:01:21 < mawk> a few hundred €
2020-11-15T18:01:30 < mawk> while you could become a 3D wizard
2020-11-15T18:01:57 < karlp> the price of the machinery is not the concern, it's the time I see everyone sinking in.
2020-11-15T18:02:13 < karlp> and adding a whol elot of new training and learning on 3d modelling
2020-11-15T18:03:07 < karlp> and then there was like, "oh look, it's available as a service: https://fixturfab.com/services/3d-printed-development-fixtures/"
2020-11-15T18:06:45 < Steffanx> lol the aliexpress clamp
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2020-11-15T18:10:01 < Steffanx> youre not entirely wrong though karlp, but it also depends a bit on how much you are willing to spend on the printer
2020-11-15T18:11:02 < karlp> so where't the tipping point? 500? 1000? 2000? when can you ~just print (and wait) and worry abou8t the 3d modelling and less abotu the print.... printing?
2020-11-15T18:11:56 < karlp> I get there's always goign to be tweaks for design for print, but the amount of time I hear of people "tuning" temperatures and bed coatings and  blah blah blah and then still having all these busted arse prints taht take hours at a time is..... realllly not encouraging.
2020-11-15T18:13:33 < Steffanx> oh, i dont know, sincei dont have real on hands experience with the more expensive stuff
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2020-11-15T18:13:37 < zyp> if you're happy with shitty prints, you can just yolo it on a shitty printer
2020-11-15T18:13:56 < Steffanx> but my perhaps too expensive prusa still needs some tweaking
2020-11-15T18:14:02 < Steffanx> but less than the one before that
2020-11-15T18:14:10 < Steffanx> but that might have been pebkac as well
2020-11-15T18:14:32 < zyp> judging by friends, the prusa i3 seems to give pretty decent results right away
2020-11-15T18:14:50 < Steffanx> True, but then you change filament etc. 
2020-11-15T18:14:51 < zyp> IIRC the ender 3 is also supposed to be straightforward
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2020-11-15T18:15:01 < zyp> meh
2020-11-15T18:15:01 < Steffanx> and brand A != brand B most of the time
2020-11-15T18:15:09 < zyp> just find one type you're happy with and stick to it
2020-11-15T18:15:12 < jpa-> i spent a couple of hours just yesterday figuring out what was wrong with hacklab's prusa i3, turns out just needed a bit of oil on the bearings
2020-11-15T18:15:18 < Steffanx> but i've settled on a specific brand of petg
2020-11-15T18:15:26 < jpa-> but really not obvious, it was losing steps randomly
2020-11-15T18:15:42 < zyp> fun
2020-11-15T18:15:47 < Steffanx> heh, fun indeed
2020-11-15T18:16:40 < PaulFertser> karlp: how about people tuning temperatures for PCB ovens even at mass production facilities?
2020-11-15T18:16:43 < jpa-> but mostly it has been easy to use and worked well
2020-11-15T18:17:03 < jpa-> PaulFertser: tuning stuff for mass production is one thing, tuning things for one-off is just wasted time
2020-11-15T18:17:06 < zyp> I learned yesterday that apparently there's several kinds of pneumatic quick couplers
2020-11-15T18:17:39 < zyp> apparently there's two common standards that's not 100% compatible
2020-11-15T18:17:48 < zyp> and I managed to buy one that's neither of those
2020-11-15T18:17:48 < dongs> the probelm wtih 3d printing is mostly opensores. all the broken shit is retarduino/merlin/whatever the fuck junk. its all layers of shit hacked on top of layers of shit. and absolutely shitty mechanical shit, like fucking 3d printed gears, come on.
2020-11-15T18:17:52 < PaulFertser> jpa-: good point. And yet 3d printing has its advantages despite often needing model-specific tuning.
2020-11-15T18:18:12 < jpa-> dongs: those thigns don't appear to be the annoying parts in practice
2020-11-15T18:18:58 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah, it is useful, but it does involve wasting time on useless tuning also
2020-11-15T18:19:10 < PaulFertser> jpa-: was there a chance to see how many hours or the amount of filament that stuck printer went through?
2020-11-15T18:19:40 < jpa-> might have some kind of log, but i think we've had it for half a year and maybe 1kg or so of filament
2020-11-15T18:19:54 < PaulFertser> Hm, that's quite moderate
2020-11-15T18:20:18 < PaulFertser> repetier firmware has the counts in the eeprom, available from the menu
2020-11-15T18:20:34 < jpa-> i guess it might be just basic maintenance anyway, not sure if it is even mentioned somewhere in the manual that one should lubricate it once in a while, but who reads manuals..
2020-11-15T18:21:10 < jpa-> servo drive would be great upgrade for many printers
2020-11-15T18:21:16 < PaulFertser> I think I lubricated the Z screws once on my anet.
2020-11-15T18:21:23 < jpa-> losing steps in middle of print is crappy failure mode
2020-11-15T18:21:45 < PaulFertser> open-loop is cheap
2020-11-15T18:22:36 < jpa-> yep
2020-11-15T18:23:44 < PaulFertser> jpa-: when you were doing bed levelling on that printer did you feel that something might be wrong with the bearings?
2020-11-15T18:23:52 < PaulFertser> I mean when moving the bed and carriage manually
2020-11-15T18:24:48 < jpa-> yes, moving by hand it was clearly more difficult to move in one direction, but i mistook that as the motor being weird until i had the belt disconnected
2020-11-15T18:25:17 < PaulFertser> Interesting
2020-11-15T18:27:37 < jpa-> karlp: not sure how many 3dhubs providers there are in iceland, but it is a nice and pretty cheap way to get into 3d printing without wasting time
2020-11-15T18:27:52 < jpa-> cheaper than shapeways at least, and if you find a local provider delivery is faster too
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2020-11-15T19:07:11 < karlp> yeah, had also looked at that option, 
2020-11-15T19:09:09 < karlp> still, there's a _lot_ of 3d work ahead if I really want to go down that path.
2020-11-15T19:09:15 < Steffanx> True.
2020-11-15T19:10:13 < kakigate> there is PCB jubb available in my town
2020-11-15T19:10:24 < kakigate>  / city
2020-11-15T19:13:08 < kakigate> what should I write man..
2020-11-15T19:17:53 < Steffanx> päivää herra, 
2020-11-15T19:18:44 < Steffanx> olen kakimir. olen paras. haluan työpaikan
2020-11-15T19:19:08 < Steffanx> Hyvästi [your name]
2020-11-15T19:19:22 < Steffanx> Would that work, kakigate ?
2020-11-15T19:19:40 < kakigate> no
2020-11-15T19:19:43 < kakigate> :D
2020-11-15T19:19:45 < Steffanx> Damn.
2020-11-15T19:19:52 < Steffanx> Does it even make sense?
2020-11-15T19:19:53 < kakigate> I know guy there
2020-11-15T19:19:58 < kakigate> my guru works there
2020-11-15T19:20:19 < Steffanx> Ohno, he can only disappoint you.
2020-11-15T19:20:32 < kakigate> but it's a bit of double-edged sword
2020-11-15T19:20:59 < kakigate> he knows I'm shit
2020-11-15T19:21:16 < kakigate> but he knows me and I know him
2020-11-15T19:21:16 < Steffanx> Did you ask him?
2020-11-15T19:21:29 < Steffanx> What he thinks?
2020-11-15T19:21:38 < kakigate> he is not in possition to make such call
2020-11-15T19:21:57 < kakigate> he is a bit of "maybe" guy
2020-11-15T19:22:02 < Steffanx> I mean. Did he call your shit. In a serious way or... do yoy think he thinks that?
2020-11-15T19:22:10 < kakigate> he didn't
2020-11-15T19:22:53 < Steffanx> Alright. So, its just you comparing yourself to him and he knows a lot more. .. there are always more experienced people around
2020-11-15T19:22:54 < kakigate> I think last PCB I gave him didn't dissapoint him
2020-11-15T19:23:11 < kakigate> I made all the required files too
2020-11-15T19:23:27 < Steffanx> So, just give it a try
2020-11-15T19:25:43 < kakigate> this application is reasonable
2020-11-15T19:26:01 < kakigate> they don't make me to register to linkedin
2020-11-15T19:26:22 < Steffanx> You dont have linkedin?
2020-11-15T19:26:38 < kakigate> no
2020-11-15T19:26:44 < Steffanx> i see, cant find you
2020-11-15T19:27:01 < kakigate> show me yours
2020-11-15T19:28:40 < Steffanx> You cant see it. its all hidden
2020-11-15T19:29:31 < kakigate> screenshot
2020-11-15T19:29:55 < Steffanx> nah
2020-11-15T19:35:02 < kakigate> so you say there is someone with my name doing all that shit?
2020-11-15T19:35:06 < kakigate> in linkedin?
2020-11-15T19:36:04 < kakigate> in game world that would be called "playing on a boosted account"
2020-11-15T19:43:27 < englishman> karlp: I agree with JPA just find a local print shoppe and pay them $6 per print or whatever
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2020-11-15T20:04:36 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, 3d cad design is of course its whole own bucket of worms, even if the printers work :)
2020-11-15T20:09:06 < karlp> yup, that's my concern :)
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2020-11-15T22:16:59 < laurence_> The eating of brain produces an aphrodisiac effect (presumably due to the vast amount of hormones in it), and that this initially caused apes to become addicted to them, organizing brain hunts wherein the males of another tribe were eaten and the females raped in a frenzy of brain-induced sex and violence.[1] However, this diet also inadvertently increased brain size and intelligence[2] while triggering the loss both of body hair[3] and o
2020-11-15T22:17:00 < laurence_> f our innate psychic abilities.[4] Thus the human gradually came into being, remaining cannibalistic
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2020-11-15T22:26:34 < Steffanx> Did you lose your b, from brain, again. Blaxter?
2020-11-15T22:30:39 < PaulFertser> That quote is unusual because it has some references like a real article.
2020-11-15T22:34:28 < Steffanx> oh "pseudo-scientific book".
2020-11-15T22:34:47 < Steffanx> also probably copy paste from wikipedia
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2020-11-15T23:02:30 < rajkosto> "innate psychic abilities" ???
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2020-11-16T01:39:14 < jadew> T-48: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnChQbxLkkI
2020-11-16T01:39:29 < jadew> with crew
2020-11-16T01:42:24 < qyx> I just found this https://github.com/bogdanm/udynlink
2020-11-16T01:58:30 < aandrew> this looks like old DOS overlays
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2020-11-16T02:15:30 < qyx> 12min to go?
2020-11-16T02:25:07 < englishman> to the earth shattering kaboom?
2020-11-16T02:25:14 < qyx> yeah
2020-11-16T02:26:18 < jadew> t-1
2020-11-16T02:27:07 < qyx> such graphics
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2020-11-16T02:47:45 < qyx> no kaboom today
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2020-11-16T03:29:53 < machinehum> Anyone have a suggestion for a injection molding company in China?
2020-11-16T03:30:00 < machinehum> Looking to get a tool cut
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2020-11-16T05:24:26 < jadew> yesterday I decided to clean a little before getting on with my next project
2020-11-16T05:24:40 < jadew> ended up reorganizing everything... I'm still at it
2020-11-16T05:26:03 < jadew> the conclusion was that if it's a unique part for that specific project, then it stays in the project's box, otherwise it stays with the rest of its kind
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2020-11-16T05:37:17 < jadew> I have lots of SMA connectors
2020-11-16T05:37:36 < jadew> > 400
2020-11-16T05:42:25 < aandrew> jadew: that's my organization method too
2020-11-16T05:43:09 < jadew> yeah, seems to make the most sense, otherwise you end up looking for that one component value you know you used in some project, but you don't know which
2020-11-16T05:43:39 < aandrew> I have spots for resistors and caps and inductors and diodes/leds and transistors/mosfets. ICs are organized by function (MCUs, buffers/drivers, interface, etc.) 
2020-11-16T05:44:07 < aandrew> and then I have a box with specific RCL shit for baluns for nRF boards, rather than having them scattered with their kind
2020-11-16T05:46:39 < jadew> I have a box of resistor samples and I had a moment where I didn't know what to do with my other resistors
2020-11-16T05:46:44 < jadew> if I should mix them in or not
2020-11-16T05:46:53 < jadew> decided not to do that and only keep that for sampling
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2020-11-16T07:26:46 < bitmask> so its not the prettiest pack but it is my first
2020-11-16T07:26:48 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/QqmTIjk
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2020-11-16T09:14:17 < zyp> bitmask, looks like too much power on the welds
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2020-11-16T09:36:58 < qyx> jadew: same method here
2020-11-16T09:38:43 < jpa-> i move project specific stuff to generic folders as soon as the expected number of prototypes / units has been assembled
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2020-11-16T10:43:54 < Steffanx> Do you digitize all your project specific stuff, jpa- ?
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2020-11-16T11:22:38 < jpa-> Steffanx: whut?
2020-11-16T11:23:02 < jpa-> you mean, like random scribbles on paper?
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2020-11-16T12:18:57 < Steffanx> Lol no jpa-  nevermind
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2020-11-16T12:32:06 < jpa-> Steffanx: ah now i understand what you mean, and i mean this kind of folder: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71uumJYV72L._AC_SS350_.jpg
2020-11-16T12:33:44 < Steffanx> Digital folder vs analog folder  indeed
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2020-11-16T12:47:41 < karlp> heh, forgot to seed lua random number, couldn't work out why my numbers weren't random...
2020-11-16T12:57:45 < karlp> belh, also, no shortcuts! https://paste.jvnv.net/view/JPzcI
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2020-11-16T13:55:50 < zyp> python is clearly superior
2020-11-16T13:55:51 < zyp> >>> float('.5')
2020-11-16T13:55:52 < zyp> 0.5
2020-11-16T13:57:08 < rajkosto> karlp, what if you make it .5f
2020-11-16T13:59:44 < karlp> nil still, also, doesn't help, as this is user facing parsing in this case.
2020-11-16T14:00:25 < rajkosto> detect . as first char, prefix with 0
2020-11-16T14:00:37 < karlp> nope. don't care enough for that.
2020-11-16T14:01:08 < karlp> it's actually a js string originally, being passed to some lua, could just fix it there if I cared that much :)
2020-11-16T14:09:38 < Ultrastaffel> that's because it's lua 5.1
2020-11-16T14:10:03 < rajkosto> which one fixes it
2020-11-16T14:12:26 < karlp> doesn't matter, still on 5.1 here :)
2020-11-16T14:12:38 < Ultrastaffel> Lua 5.4.1  Copyright (C) 1994-2020 Lua.org, PUC-Rio
2020-11-16T14:12:40 < Ultrastaffel> > tonumber(".5")
2020-11-16T14:12:42 < Ultrastaffel> 0.5
2020-11-16T14:12:45 < karlp> it's ok, 5.3 will come through eventually for me I think, not sure how much tracking 5.4 will get.
2020-11-16T14:13:10 < Ultrastaffel> this behavior changed after 5.1 because of "incompatibilities" that had to be introduced
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2020-11-16T14:18:49 < rajkosto> dont use a language made by a weird brazillian
2020-11-16T14:19:35 < karlp> works great, only my laziness gave me nil.
2020-11-16T14:19:45 < rajkosto> i wish luajit would support newer versions
2020-11-16T14:20:41 < karlp> _taht's_ definitely a case of "don't use alanguage hacked into tiny pieces by a single lunatic"
2020-11-16T14:21:50 < rajkosto> theres 0 reason to use lua if its not jit
2020-11-16T14:21:57 < rajkosto> theres way better interpreted languages
2020-11-16T14:22:12 < karlp> such as?
2020-11-16T14:22:42 < rajkosto> you can use squirrel if you want lua with normal syntax
2020-11-16T14:23:04 < karlp> telling me to use a new language because it doesn't turn ".5" into a float is pretty way out in the woods
2020-11-16T14:23:28 < karlp> I'm not going to use even tinier languages with even less users.
2020-11-16T14:24:11 < rajkosto> lua has an INSANE amount of users
2020-11-16T14:24:19 < rajkosto> it sickens me
2020-11-16T14:24:40 < rajkosto> anyway python is better but not really for mcus i guess
2020-11-16T14:24:41 < karlp> almost like it works well and is easy to use :)
2020-11-16T14:24:58 < rajkosto> its not easy to use for people who actually know how to program
2020-11-16T14:25:03 < rajkosto> cuz its all wrong
2020-11-16T14:25:29 < karlp> how? "OmG InDiCesStaRt aT 1, WTF, N0000!" isn't valid
2020-11-16T14:25:43 < rajkosto> well that ruins all the indexing integer math
2020-11-16T14:25:44 < karlp> nor is, "begin and and are too wordy noooo"
2020-11-16T14:25:54 < rajkosto> the only data structure is a table
2020-11-16T14:25:58 < rajkosto> everything is nil
2020-11-16T14:26:07 < rajkosto> syntax is horrible
2020-11-16T14:26:16 < karlp> why would you index when you can just iterate...
2020-11-16T14:26:32 < karlp> or index with .... useful keys instead of thinking "omg, must use ints, because I'm a c nerd and strings are hard"
2020-11-16T14:27:29 < rajkosto> too many ways to mess up that only shows up at runtime when you need it to actually work
2020-11-16T14:28:10 < karlp> wat?
2020-11-16T14:28:29 < karlp> are you complaining that the dynamic language isn't compiled statically?
2020-11-16T14:28:43 < rajkosto> no like... implcit globals
2020-11-16T14:29:42 < karlp> ok, you're right, that's a total fail, better stop using it.
2020-11-16T14:30:39 < rajkosto> well why bother if youre gonna be like that
2020-11-16T14:31:06 < rajkosto> id rather embed javascript, honestly
2020-11-16T14:32:21 < rajkosto> with duktape or fabien's weird thing
2020-11-16T14:34:02 < karlp> I'd way rather work with a full language as it's intended than some bastardized cut down limited in unexpected ways langauge like any of the tiny js runtimes, or micropython for that matter.
2020-11-16T14:34:34 < rajkosto> duktape works just fine, its just not ES6
2020-11-16T14:35:43 < rajkosto> like you using 5.1 instead of latest lua ;)
2020-11-16T14:36:40 < karlp> duktape is for embedding in C?
2020-11-16T14:36:45 < karlp> and still on python2?
2020-11-16T14:37:03 < rajkosto> what
2020-11-16T14:37:18 < karlp> from their own webapge.
2020-11-16T14:37:51 < rajkosto> a lot of things are still on python2
2020-11-16T14:37:55 < karlp> ok, there's a duk runner thing, maybe.
2020-11-16T14:37:58 < rajkosto> its just the configurator
2020-11-16T14:38:06 < rajkosto> i thought you WERE embedding, what else would you use lua for
2020-11-16T14:38:11 < karlp> if your project is stuck on python2, it very clearly says what you think about your project..
2020-11-16T14:38:22 < karlp> because it's easy and small?
2020-11-16T14:38:23 < rajkosto> python2 best python anyway
2020-11-16T14:38:31 < karlp> I don't have nearly enough rom/ramm for python
2020-11-16T14:38:43 < karlp> but more than enough to say "fuck no" to C.
2020-11-16T14:38:47 < rajkosto> look at lowmem options for duktape
2020-11-16T14:38:51 < rajkosto> it might still require more than what you have
2020-11-16T14:39:04 < rajkosto> in which case yes keep using lua 
2020-11-16T14:39:08 < karlp> so... in you mind, JS is a good language? :)
2020-11-16T14:39:11 < rajkosto> or maybe something like chaiscript
2020-11-16T14:39:15 < rajkosto> its waaay better than lua
2020-11-16T14:39:19 < karlp> you dont' get to say "just use the good bits" because that's the same as lua...
2020-11-16T14:39:33 < rajkosto> theres so little of lua you cant afford to pick and choose ;)
2020-11-16T14:40:50 < karlp> you've nto remotely convinced me that lua is garbage and I should stop using it :)
2020-11-16T14:41:38 < karlp> you're arguments ahve been, "only tables!" "indices from 1" "don't like wordy syntax" ?
2020-11-16T14:41:40 < karlp> did I miss any?
2020-11-16T14:42:01 < karlp> ahh, "implicit globals"
2020-11-16T14:42:03 < rajkosto> if youve used lua and you dont see the problems already i got nothin for ya
2020-11-16T14:42:14 < rajkosto> enjoy your scripts
2020-11-16T14:42:36 < karlp> I'd rather use python, so I can have python everywhere, but python is far too big.
2020-11-16T14:43:03 < karlp> lua is way better than C, while still having more than enough users that I don't ahve to be a hero and do everythign myself.
2020-11-16T14:43:15 < karlp> and it binds nicely enough to C.
2020-11-16T14:43:22 < karlp> so I can use what already is in C.
2020-11-16T14:43:48 < rajkosto> its probably better to interpret c than use lua
2020-11-16T14:43:56 < karlp> cmon, that's bullshit
2020-11-16T14:44:08 < karlp> you can't possibly support that
2020-11-16T14:46:19 < jadew> I wouldn't mind some C++Script
2020-11-16T14:48:43 < jadew> typescript gets close, so I guess a decent enough js engine for embedding, could support that
2020-11-16T14:49:13 < jadew> but you'd have to transpile on the host, so it kinda defeats the purpose
2020-11-16T14:51:24 < rajkosto> i told you a kindof c++script shame its so unknown and small http://chaiscript.com/
2020-11-16T14:51:54 < jadew> oh, that looks interesting
2020-11-16T14:52:15 < rajkosto> it has no stdlib i dont think
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2020-11-16T14:57:02 < rajkosto> well i mean not as extensive as the ones in squirrel, lua, etc of course
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2020-11-16T16:29:48 < karlp> how's my kicad? https://imgur.com/ownPp8n
2020-11-16T16:30:26 < karlp> (not mine, but I'm impressed)
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2020-11-16T16:32:04 < karlp> that's what I've been tryign to tell him :)
2020-11-16T16:33:04 < zyp> faster to design, longer to wait for it to arrive
2020-11-16T16:33:56 < jpa-> yeah, less effort, not necessarily less calendar time
2020-11-16T16:33:57 < karlp> eh, he's in .fr, so getting things from aisler would be no problem
2020-11-16T16:34:07 < karlp> and he's spent a lot of time assembling strip board anyway.
2020-11-16T16:35:45 < englishman> if it's something to actually make in the future, he'll have to design the whole thing again anyway
2020-11-16T16:36:01 < englishman> but this is clearly hobby/wasting time stuff right
2020-11-16T16:36:06 < karlp> sure :)
2020-11-16T16:39:18 < karlp> audiophoolery anyway.... https://imgur.com/a/TPQ8HQX
2020-11-16T16:49:32 < zyp> today I proposed using stm32f7-disco for a project
2020-11-16T16:49:52 < karlp> the one with the touch screen, mics, mounting holes?
2020-11-16T16:50:21 < karlp> did ST ever try and make it a license violation to use them in products? or am I misremembering that from some other dev board?
2020-11-16T16:50:41 < zyp> that one, yes
2020-11-16T16:51:23 < zyp> it's for a one-off proof of concept or something
2020-11-16T16:51:29 < zyp> or two off, I guess
2020-11-16T16:52:07 < zyp> pretty simple stuff, not even planning to use the touch functionality, just show some numbers
2020-11-16T16:54:10 < zyp> I'm probably just gonna dig up the code I wrote last time I played with mcufont, load in a larger font and print directly to a framebuffer, not gonna bother with a gui toolkit
2020-11-16T16:54:59 < zyp> I actually suggested one of those 0.96" oleds first, but people wanted a larger screen and thought the f7-disco was a good size
2020-11-16T17:04:31 < englishman> hey zyp what is the lifetime of your hard drives? not sure if I should begin proactively replacing drives in this 4 disk raid5
2020-11-16T17:06:21 < englishman> looks like there's been even more consolidation since the last time I got drives
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2020-11-16T17:14:20 < BrainDamage> replace them one by one, of different brands, using the current discount is fine
2020-11-16T17:14:33 < BrainDamage> this way you minimize the probability of concurrent failure
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2020-11-16T17:34:09 < jadew> but if you only replace them when they fail, you'll find that some disks last forever
2020-11-16T17:35:05 < englishman> current discount?
2020-11-16T17:37:09 < englishman> seagate ironwolf says it's for nas environments craving powerhouse performance, but what i am craving is stoic reliability. should i get something else
2020-11-16T17:39:36 < jadew> apparently google knows which brands are better but they don't want to say
2020-11-16T17:40:28 < jadew> a couple of years ago they analyzed the data they have collected and came up with a list of most reliable HDDs
2020-11-16T17:40:38 < jadew> they just bragged about it, and never released the list :)
2020-11-16T17:42:13 < englishman> limit 1 per customer on amadongs
2020-11-16T17:42:14 < englishman> lmao
2020-11-16T17:43:10 < specing> englishman: check out the backblaze statistics
2020-11-16T17:46:49 < englishman> hgst winning as usual
2020-11-16T17:46:51 < englishman> which is WD now
2020-11-16T17:46:55 < englishman> i'll get Red Pro
2020-11-16T17:58:19 < Steffanx> Get SSDs
2020-11-16T17:58:26 < Steffanx> Spining rust -_-
2020-11-16T17:58:31 < Steffanx> Spinning even.
2020-11-16T18:03:22 < BrainDamage> what I'm more annoyed is that sata seems to be disappearing in favor of nvme
2020-11-16T18:03:51 < BrainDamage> the whole pc world seems to be trending towards using pci-e phys for everything
2020-11-16T18:03:58 < BrainDamage> which I guess is not a horrible idea
2020-11-16T18:04:30 < BrainDamage> but when you cannot buy hw for the old interface, it's annoying
2020-11-16T18:06:08 < BrainDamage> so in 5 years, when your drives will start to fail, you may end up trashing the whole thing because sata is gone
2020-11-16T18:10:36 < specing> imagine buying new computers
2020-11-16T18:11:00 < englishman> is that true even for SSDs?
2020-11-16T18:11:11 < englishman> all the new synodongs are sata plus some nvme for cache
2020-11-16T18:11:28 < englishman> err even for spinning rust
2020-11-16T18:11:38 < englishman> surely nvme HDDs are overkill?
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2020-11-16T18:11:49 < BrainDamage> nvme is overkill ffor spinning rust indeeed
2020-11-16T18:12:48 < BrainDamage> but the industry may or may not converge regardless, just to have a unified interface
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2020-11-16T18:14:13 < BrainDamage> same reason why the parallel port went the way of the dodo, despite being sufficiently performant for the scanners/printers
2020-11-16T18:15:37 < jpa-> IDE <-> SATA adapters are pretty cheap, if new HDDs would be using NVMe for some crazy reason, surely there would be NVMe <-> SATA adapters
2020-11-16T18:20:42 < englishman> parallel port was hard to insert upside-down, too
2020-11-16T18:20:47 < englishman> superior in every way to usb
2020-11-16T18:21:45 < jpa-> BrainDamage: i remember that scanning through parallel port always had long wait times
2020-11-16T18:22:20 < effractur> USB -> sata is cheaper
2020-11-16T18:22:21 < dima> usb is also hard to insert upside-down.. unless you're very strong
2020-11-16T18:22:32 < effractur> ans usb will probly be there for a long time
2020-11-16T18:22:47 < effractur> as in sata will disapear but usb will stay pobaly
2020-11-16T18:23:40 < jpa-> effractur: both seem to be about $3 on ebay
2020-11-16T18:24:10 < effractur> jpa-: more in the future if sata is getting harder to find
2020-11-16T18:24:38 < jpa-> i mean, IDE <-> SATA, NVMe <-> SATA doesn't really exist yet because no need
2020-11-16T18:25:04 < rajkosto> there's nvme to usb3.1
2020-11-16T18:25:08 < jpa-> you think that the supply of adapters is somehow limited and they would be more costly if manufacturing volumes increase?
2020-11-16T18:25:12 < rajkosto> to make really fast usb sticks
2020-11-16T18:26:29 < effractur> jpa-: IDA-> sata is a cheap change becuase the protocol is the same (well mostly the smae)
2020-11-16T18:26:34 < effractur> NVME -> sata is a lot harder
2020-11-16T18:26:46 < effractur> because its not a passive transaltion
2020-11-16T18:27:13 < jpa-> sure, it is more code
2020-11-16T18:27:26 < effractur> well you cant just pass torugh your ata commands
2020-11-16T18:27:27 < jpa-> but no different than NVME <-> USB
2020-11-16T18:27:31 < effractur> so you need to do some emulation
2020-11-16T18:27:41 < effractur> yes but USB also speaks ATA
2020-11-16T18:28:02 < jpa-> yes, that's my point
2020-11-16T18:28:10 < effractur> ah that way yes
2020-11-16T18:28:37 < effractur> apperently there is a JMicron JMS583 controller for hat
2020-11-16T18:28:40 < effractur> thath*
2020-11-16T18:28:42 < effractur> interesting
2020-11-16T18:38:13 < BrainDamage> btw, zypsnips could get an entry on solder alloys, got me Sn 99 Ag 0.3 Cu 0.7 and it flows nicely at 350
2020-11-16T18:38:26 < englishman> as a paste?
2020-11-16T18:38:41 < BrainDamage> no, wire
2020-11-16T18:38:44 < BrainDamage> for rework
2020-11-16T18:38:45 < englishman> ah
2020-11-16T18:38:57 < englishman> surely that depends on the flux?
2020-11-16T18:39:06 < englishman> i have sn99 that i abhor
2020-11-16T18:39:24 < BrainDamage> yes, also depends on the flux
2020-11-16T18:39:45 < BrainDamage> that's one of the reasons why I suggested pooling results on zypsnips
2020-11-16T18:40:06 < BrainDamage> simple rosin flux here
2020-11-16T18:40:11 < englishman> is it that much cheaper than sac305
2020-11-16T18:41:52 < BrainDamage> yes, at the expense of much higher melting point
2020-11-16T18:49:38 < karlp> well, if anyone wants to add something, so far I've got the last 10 lines, but it seems pretty worthless spof ar
2020-11-16T18:52:47 < englishman> have you noticed your tips dont last as long? or, too recent a change
2020-11-16T18:52:56 < jpa-> i haven't hit any particularly bad alloy yet
2020-11-16T18:53:37 < BrainDamage> too recent change, but I did have tips developing pitting with the early alloys
2020-11-16T18:53:54 < BrainDamage> probably also a consequence of the wild variation
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2020-11-16T19:57:53 < karlp> fucking, modbus tcp device.  only allows a single connection.
2020-11-16T19:57:55 < karlp> yay.
2020-11-16T19:58:02 < karlp> super top quality
2020-11-16T20:08:51 < aandrew> heh
2020-11-16T20:08:54 < aandrew> that's VERY common
2020-11-16T20:09:06 < aandrew> like the whole point of ethernet is lost on them
2020-11-16T20:09:12 < karlp> really? most of the ones I've worked with have allowed like 3-4 or so
2020-11-16T20:09:18 < karlp> but one is fucking garbage.
2020-11-16T20:09:35 < karlp> I'd built most of this support for a new thing based on our existing stuff, so it was nicely sdeparate for reading/control,
2020-11-16T20:09:49 < karlp> and it's tcp, so "just have another connection for the control, nop roblem"
2020-11-16T20:09:51 < karlp> but noooooo
2020-11-16T20:10:20 < karlp> I already have a tcp multiplexer for rtu, might be easiest to just teach that to multiplex tcp as well...
2020-11-16T20:10:56 < jpa-> i always build all my tcp stuff that it handles one connection at most
2020-11-16T20:11:05 < jpa-> usually it drops even that single connection randomly in the middle
2020-11-16T20:13:38 < karlp> this is some thing that supports big soap stacks anyway, so it must have "real" networking somewhere.
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2020-11-16T20:48:48 < Steffanx> SOAP, is that stilll a thing?
2020-11-16T20:49:18 < jadew> the protocol?
2020-11-16T20:50:04 < jadew> haven't encountered it in a while
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2020-11-16T21:28:03 < rajkosto> via SOOOOAP
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2020-11-16T21:39:22 < mawk> Steffanx: I haven't coughed for 2 months
2020-11-16T21:39:33 < mawk> and right when I'm at the office for the first time in weeks, I coughed
2020-11-16T21:39:42 < mawk> so they all looked at me like a pestiferate
2020-11-16T21:39:55 < mawk> they won't make me sign my contract I'm sure
2020-11-16T21:40:16 < Steffanx> Dont die.
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2020-11-16T21:58:31 < englishman> before, you had to cover up a fart with a cough
2020-11-16T21:58:37 < englishman> now, you have to cover up a cough with a fart
2020-11-16T22:04:26 < qyx> I cannot see karlp's kicad
2020-11-16T22:04:32 < qyx> imgur stopped working here
2020-11-16T22:04:57 < qyx> it shows 500 internal server error, clearing cookies makes it show a grey background with nothiung
2020-11-16T22:09:46 < Steffanx> Worksonmymachine etc.
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2020-11-16T22:14:24 < qyx> so when is crew-1 going to dock
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2020-11-16T22:43:07 < englishman> i have to renew worksonmymachine.pro again
2020-11-16T22:43:14 < englishman> i hope you people get your $12 worth
2020-11-16T22:43:20 < Steffanx> yeah
2020-11-16T22:43:30 < Steffanx> you're a moneyed westener anyway
2020-11-16T22:52:08 < qyx> with reindeer on your yard
2020-11-16T22:56:39 < englishman> just regular deer
2020-11-16T23:01:52 < karlp> https://www.openchargealliance.org/protocols/ocpp-16/ is soap 
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2020-11-17T01:37:33 < zyp> karlp, IMO if you are resource-constrained enough that you can't just write the code to accept an arbitrary number of connections, one is not unreasonable unless the requirements demands more
2020-11-17T01:39:57 < zyp> anything in between requires you to do more work to keep track
2020-11-17T01:43:49 < qyx> https://ce8dc832c.cloudimg.io/fit/640x480/n@cd2a05e733720c6f6c14e3c7df0b33a090db9503/_cdn_/E7/A4/00/00/0/19070_1.jpg?mark_url=_tme-wrk_%2Ftme_new.png&mark_pos=center&mark_size=100pp
2020-11-17T01:44:12 < Steffanx> Ty qyx
2020-11-17T01:44:28 < qyx> I like it, such thick
2020-11-17T01:44:58 < Steffanx> Nesecitas mucho amps?
2020-11-17T01:45:02  * qyx selecting components for a 50V/20A play-buck
2020-11-17T01:45:12 < qyx> probably with a stm32g4
2020-11-17T01:46:14 < Steffanx> I wonder if ST will go for the y5 variant of that family 
2020-11-17T01:46:28 < qyx> end of the year is coming, I need some fireworks
2020-11-17T01:46:44 < Steffanx> Here fireworks are forbidden this year
2020-11-17T01:47:04 < qyx> they didn't forbid 800V mosfets
2020-11-17T01:47:25 < Steffanx> Give it a try. The fine is only 100 euro buckd
2020-11-17T01:55:40 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/3bHOf.mp4
2020-11-17T01:56:08 < zyp> 10m hose connected, no tank
2020-11-17T01:57:19 < zyp> should probably get a tank so I can use it for small stuff without it starting and stopping continously
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2020-11-17T02:30:38 < jadew> I don't have enough free space to install mortal kombat
2020-11-17T02:30:56 < jadew> it sure throws me back
2020-11-17T02:31:37 < jadew> it requires 77 Gb
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2020-11-17T02:47:54 < karlp> zyp: sure, I just don't really expect this device to actually be constrained, it's a modern ev charging station.
2020-11-17T02:48:46 < karlp> it's not like it can only _handle_ one at a time, that's fine, it just doesn't even allow the second connection to be pending,
2020-11-17T02:50:08 < zyp> probably simplifies the code a bit, only either doing accept() or read() on the socket, not both at the same time
2020-11-17T02:58:16 < qyx> wouldn'ŧ it be pending if you don'ŧ do accept in time?
2020-11-17T02:58:39 < qyx> iirc at least in lwip it worked that way, didn't it?
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2020-11-17T03:31:39 < Laurenceb> together we must intersect our identities in order to hold Welsh bodies to account on behalf of people who haven’t yet been born
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2020-11-17T04:20:29 < Laurenceb> *insert picture of a cow underwater*
2020-11-17T04:22:28 < englishman> how is your darpa-uk project going Laurent
2020-11-17T04:22:34 < englishman> still unemployed?
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2020-11-17T04:23:50 < englishman> how come you never chat any more
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2020-11-17T04:29:56 < Laurenceb> englishman: cuz I'm often busy :(
2020-11-17T04:30:17 < Laurenceb> englishman: nah it was rejected at the last stage of review
2020-11-17T04:30:31 < Laurenceb> so yeah I'm "unemployed"
2020-11-17T04:31:11 < Laurenceb> or actually working for my mum doing buy to let shit
2020-11-17T04:32:46 < Laurenceb> I misjudged the reviewers, they were very pro
2020-11-17T04:33:38 < Laurenceb> they saw through my bullshit about solar panel prototypes and rejected my proposal as it wasnt addressing stratosolar tether prototyping, which has the lowest TRL
2020-11-17T04:34:33 < Laurenceb> the good news is this surely means they rejected the "storm NRG reactor"
2020-11-17T04:35:52 < Laurenceb> today I fitted a upvc window my mum raided from a skip because she is so cheap
2020-11-17T04:36:24 < Laurenceb> the only issue... its got broken window beading, new window beading is >£30
2020-11-17T04:36:27 < Laurenceb> derp
2020-11-17T04:37:12 < Laurenceb> <reddit> just 3d print new parts </reddit>
2020-11-17T04:38:10 < Laurenceb> I'll prob superglue in some painted hardwood
2020-11-17T04:38:35 < Laurenceb> in other news: my 100% diy double glazed windows worked
2020-11-17T04:39:05 < Laurenceb> I found polysulphide resin and got 3A molecular sieve 97% dehydrated
2020-11-17T04:43:39 < englishman> so you're renovating?
2020-11-17T04:43:48 < englishman> that's cool, you did a great job on your house
2020-11-17T04:43:56 < Laurenceb> thanks
2020-11-17T04:44:19 < Laurenceb> yeah just some nasty flats this time
2020-11-17T04:44:34 < englishman> easy money with good tenants
2020-11-17T04:44:51 < Laurenceb> kind of...
2020-11-17T04:45:05 < Laurenceb> but I'm getting >15% return on my investments atm
2020-11-17T04:46:36 < Laurenceb> I've been invited to reapply for grant funding, but I'd have to put together something considerably more pro I think
2020-11-17T04:47:27 < Laurenceb> some sort of tether prototype would be good, but coming up with a sane workplan etc would be a lot of work in itself
2020-11-17T04:48:34 < Laurenceb> if Biden restarts ARPA-E maybe I could apply to that
2020-11-17T04:49:23 < Laurenceb> tfw my brother, sister in law, and aunt all voted Trump lmao
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2020-11-17T05:34:50 < Laurenceb> keeekkk https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54967895
2020-11-17T05:35:02 < Laurenceb> The inquiry heard 8mm fibre cement panels were added over the magnesium oxide to "conceal" its presence, making the whole system almost flush
2020-11-17T05:39:22 < Laurenceb> emdrive tier
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2020-11-17T11:03:08 < karlp> trl == tech readiness level?
2020-11-17T11:25:28 < jadew> it's also a type of VNA calibration
2020-11-17T11:36:42 < jadew> regular post fucking sucks
2020-11-17T11:37:07 < jadew> I sent something on tuesday and it still hasn't left the city
2020-11-17T11:38:31 < jadew> also, I think they're stealing my packages
2020-11-17T11:38:44 < jadew> they manage to lose 1 out of 10
2020-11-17T11:39:24 < jadew> and it's always the ones that are in a box which looks like it might contain a mobile phone
2020-11-17T11:40:54 < karlp> speaking of .ro, you made the news here for your hospital fire
2020-11-17T11:41:07 < jadew> yeah... that was unfortunate
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2020-11-17T13:34:55 < Steffanx> Did you set it on fire because covid  jadew?
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2020-11-17T14:05:43 < jadew> I didn't read much about it, don't really know what happened
2020-11-17T14:08:39 < jadew> I just googled it, the first news item that came up was that the hospital announced that the families of the victims don't have to pay for the autopsy reports...
2020-11-17T14:12:09 < karlp> heh, modbus rtu/tcp relay extended to do tcp/tcp relaying as well, take that you single connection limited loser
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2020-11-17T15:26:52 < Steffanx> Damn i love this TI DSP. It has an issue with the i2c peripheral. It can lock up and even a CPU reset doesn't fix it. Only a power cycle can fix it
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2020-11-17T16:16:26 < jadew> Steffanx, do they ship it together with an external watchdog IC?
2020-11-17T16:17:01 < Steffanx> No.
2020-11-17T16:17:42 < jadew> or you get a couple of watchdog ICs when you buy the datasheet + errata?
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2020-11-17T16:20:27 < Steffanx> I dont know if "we" even know about this issue when the design was made 
2020-11-17T16:20:29 < bitmask> heated jacket finally about done, only took 3 years
2020-11-17T16:20:53 < Steffanx> Luckily there are only ~40 boards in the world each around 1.5K euro.
2020-11-17T16:21:24 < Steffanx> In the mean time we have global warming bitmask 
2020-11-17T16:21:42 < bitmask> still gets brrr
2020-11-17T16:25:45 < karlp> also, dozens of heated jackets on ali/banggood now.
2020-11-17T16:26:10 < jadew> but none of them catch fire like a home made one
2020-11-17T16:26:49 < jadew> and the chinese one probably smell bad when they're on fire
2020-11-17T16:27:16 < jadew> *ones
2020-11-17T16:27:16 < bitmask> i like controlling how much power they use, a premade one is ... premade
2020-11-17T16:27:29 < jadew> bitmask, show us pictures
2020-11-17T16:27:49 < bitmask> i'll see what I have already on imgur
2020-11-17T16:28:14 < jadew> are you afraid of the battery catching fire?
2020-11-17T16:28:26 < bitmask> a little but not really
2020-11-17T16:28:40 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/Ll4eN37.png
2020-11-17T16:29:30 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/gReZRSt.jpg
2020-11-17T16:29:51 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/hhCNX8M.png
2020-11-17T16:30:39 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/J9G6MX0.png
2020-11-17T16:30:41 < jadew> looks cool, you should put that on your chest, exposed, where your heart is
2020-11-17T16:30:50 < jadew> (the display)
2020-11-17T16:31:15 < bitmask> that was the original plan but its too hard to use there, so i put it on the end of the jacket sleeve of my left arm
2020-11-17T16:32:29 < jadew> would have been cool
2020-11-17T16:32:40 < jadew> you could have pretended to be a robot: https://media1.tenor.com/images/279eef65c72261a41ef70c75830ada22/tenor.gif
2020-11-17T16:33:26 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/oj37YSloDgU
2020-11-17T16:33:31 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/xMOiasqyowc
2020-11-17T16:33:38 < bitmask> those two vids show the UI
2020-11-17T16:33:49 < bitmask> hahaha
2020-11-17T16:35:24 < bitmask> there are 8 heater outputs and 3 zones, you can add heaters to zones and then you control the zones. that way you can control multiple heaters at once
2020-11-17T16:40:10 < srk> cool, how did you make the heaters?
2020-11-17T16:40:13 < bitmask> i gotta check the phone charger too, when i tried it last year I dont think I was getting close to full current
2020-11-17T16:40:13 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/gKN7AdT.png
2020-11-17T16:40:34 < bitmask> srk carbon fiber sandwiched between two thin sheets of silicone
2020-11-17T16:40:45 < bitmask> witha  thermistor in the middle
2020-11-17T16:41:10 < srk> nice
2020-11-17T16:44:01 < srk> charges via usb?
2020-11-17T16:44:14 < bitmask> nah im just gonna use my battery charger
2020-11-17T16:44:28 < srk> type c for next gen :D
2020-11-17T16:44:30 < bitmask> generic accucel thing
2020-11-17T16:46:01 < bitmask> im curious what my battery life is gonna be with this new batt pack
2020-11-17T16:48:57 < bitmask> i only have 3 heating panels, neck + left chest + right chest.  not sure if i need anymore than that and if i do im gonna need more silicone 
2020-11-17T16:49:14 < srk> hmm https://github.com/stawel/cheali-charger
2020-11-17T16:49:49 < bitmask> what does that change
2020-11-17T16:50:11 < srk> looks like it's possible to add uart to these chargers and log 
2020-11-17T16:50:32 < bitmask> i see
2020-11-17T16:50:41 < srk> even with default fw it seems https://github.com/LateralGs/accucell_6_logger
2020-11-17T16:51:30 < srk> would be nice to pair with IDs in eeprom on battery packs
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2020-11-17T16:52:09 < srk> or barcodes
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2020-11-17T17:01:27 < karlp> right up until people fake them to "enable faster charging"....
2020-11-17T17:01:35 < karlp> trusting that sort of thing in an open ecosystem is garbage
2020-11-17T17:01:58 < srk> I don't follow
2020-11-17T17:02:41 < srk> what I mean is more scratch-my-own inch having bunch of RC LiPo packs with various health
2020-11-17T17:02:54 < srk> and it's not possible to keep track of that manually
2020-11-17T17:03:08 < srk> https://www.skyrc.com/Charger/Q200_Charger
2020-11-17T17:03:15 < srk> someone already had the idea
2020-11-17T17:03:24 < srk> bluetooth + qr codes :)
2020-11-17T17:04:00 < bitmask> tried jacket on for first time, feels great! cant wait to try it outside when it gets cold
2020-11-17T17:04:22 < bitmask> i dont think i even need more than the 3 heaters
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2020-11-17T17:04:36 < bitmask> maybe i'll add some heaters in my pockets for my hands
2020-11-17T17:04:44 < zyp> hot pockets?
2020-11-17T17:04:48 < bitmask> haha
2020-11-17T17:07:13 < bitmask> hmm, i wonder if i used a different value thermistor for my neck heater, its reading 15F colder than the other two and its definitely hotter
2020-11-17T17:21:19 < bitmask> i added a CC supply for a led flashlight, not sure if I want to add it though
2020-11-17T17:21:30 < bitmask> i forget if it was 1W or 3W
2020-11-17T17:24:18 < BrainDamage> did you add a usb port to charge your phone?
2020-11-17T17:24:24 < bitmask> yea
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2020-11-17T17:31:30 < bitmask> looks like its 3W led, thats a lot of heat 
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2020-11-17T19:54:29 < zyp> nah, it's only 3W
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2020-11-17T20:55:35 < machinehum> https://www.tindie.com/products/mike_menci/solder-paste-dispenser-v6-usb-5v-no-air-pressure/
2020-11-17T20:55:38 < machinehum> Smart
2020-11-17T20:56:03 < machinehum> Does anyone know the name of the brass part on the top left https://cdn.tindiemedia.com/images/resize/TbG-P2i_b5uJ3-LOR_jwnBKo7Is=/p/full-fit-in/1032x772/i/24691/products/2020-05-17T19%3A53%3A16.961Z-Dispenser%20V6aPackage.jpg
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2020-11-17T21:05:47 < Steffanx> Just spend that 70 dollar machinehum
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2020-11-17T21:13:49 < bitmask> blah
2020-11-17T21:13:58 < bitmask> i dont feel like sewing
2020-11-17T21:14:24 < Steffanx> ask gf
2020-11-17T21:15:01 < bitmask> yea maybe
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2020-11-17T21:36:03 < fenugrec> bitmask, you were right about 140W from a weller not being enough to spot weld... I^2 certainly pays off : 430A x 200ms burnt right through the test ticket : https://ibb.co/jZtLHw5
2020-11-17T21:36:14 < fenugrec> *140A
2020-11-17T21:38:10 < bitmask> yea, im not sure what my build does but id guess around 4-500 A as well, 30ms pulse is a bit too high for 0.2mm nickel strip
2020-11-17T21:39:43 < fenugrec> the "nice" thing about measuring that kind of current is... everything is a resistor. voltage drops everywhere !
2020-11-17T21:46:01 < zyp> hrm
2020-11-17T21:46:40 < zyp> the arduino pinout on the f7-disco doesn't seem to be overly compatible with the nucleo extension boards
2020-11-17T21:54:49 < zyp> it's utterly fucking useless
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2020-11-17T21:56:38 < zyp> looking at https://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/ecosystems/stm32-open-development-environment/stm32-nucleo-expansion-boards/stm32-ode-move-actuate-hw/x-nucleo-ihm04a1.html
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2020-11-17T21:57:19 < zyp> some pwm pins doesn't match up with timer channels, some sense pins doesn't match up with adc inputs
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2020-11-17T22:02:02 < jpa-> that's funny, considering how many ADC and PWM pins F7 has available and how few pins there are on the arduino connector
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2020-11-17T22:03:34 < zyp> yeah
2020-11-17T22:04:40 < zyp> channel B is hooked up to the arduino A-pins, which are mostly mapped to PFx
2020-11-17T22:05:42 < zyp> apparently all the Ax signals have a timer function except A1 which is mapped to PF10
2020-11-17T22:05:51 < zyp> and the nucleo card has IN2B on A1
2020-11-17T22:06:33 < zyp> I guess I could bridge it to A3 or A6 since they are unused
2020-11-17T22:06:54 < zyp> and I only need one channel, so I can ignore channel A
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2020-11-17T22:59:10 < machinehum> heh
2020-11-17T22:59:54 < karlp> fenugrec: nice desk
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2020-11-17T23:05:08 < fenugrec> karlp, heh thanks. good old plywood ...
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2020-11-17T23:06:11 < karlp> take a wider shot for zypsnips for us :)
2020-11-17T23:08:57 < fenugrec> for the hall of fame of cluttered desks ? sure
2020-11-17T23:09:51 < karlp> we have a few: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/desks.links
2020-11-17T23:14:06 < qyx> jadew's no worky
2020-11-17T23:17:57 < karlp> jade's links are always timed out garbage unfortunately,
2020-11-17T23:19:26 < fenugrec> oh you guys were doing desks, this is just the electro bench https://ibb.co/5LjPyv6
2020-11-17T23:20:07 < qyx> I should update my WIP with a new picture
2020-11-17T23:23:24 < fenugrec> desk is pretty unremarkable, "only" two monitors https://ibb.co/d64x8Ds
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2020-11-17T23:24:11 < Steffanx> Where are you 4k screens fenugrec?
2020-11-17T23:24:35 < karlp> any idea how long ibb.co links last?
2020-11-17T23:25:02 < karlp> what's the yellow hard plastic thing?
2020-11-17T23:25:17 < fenugrec> 4k is garbage and I want nothing to do with it. I have a 4k laptop and it drains the battery for no purpose other than pissing away those extra million pixels P)
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2020-11-17T23:25:39 < fenugrec> karlp, no idea actually, I,ve just been using ibb for a few weeks now. Yellow box is a trimble 4000 gps
2020-11-17T23:25:40 < Steffanx> but thats probably like 13" not 27+"
2020-11-17T23:26:16 < fenugrec> Steffanx, 15", but true. When both these die, I'll consider a 4k P)
2020-11-17T23:26:27 < Steffanx> Alright :)
2020-11-17T23:27:39 < fenugrec> although that LG 22" has horrible angle-dependant contrast, and poor color. The 4:3 VGA is better overall !
2020-11-17T23:29:24 < fenugrec> aandrew, heh that hotel desk pic looks like very "comfort inn" P)
2020-11-17T23:30:57 < fenugrec> karlp, , desk.links.md needs moar newlines for github viewer
2020-11-17T23:31:28 < karlp> yesss, reload, was just working on that :)
2020-11-17T23:31:32 < karlp> fucking markdown
2020-11-17T23:31:37 < fenugrec> hehe
2020-11-17T23:31:43 < karlp> the plain text just wanted to be autolinkied
2020-11-17T23:31:50 < karlp> but the github preview didn't care much for that
2020-11-17T23:31:52 < fenugrec> much better
2020-11-17T23:32:07 < karlp> and markdown is like, "oooh, as many rules as html or yaml, but we'll pretend everyone already writes like that"
2020-11-17T23:33:21 < fenugrec> hahah I feel better about my bench already
2020-11-17T23:34:48 < fenugrec> most/everybody has their computer + bench on the same desk ... I can see how that would be nice
2020-11-17T23:34:55 < karlp> pros and cons
2020-11-17T23:35:02 < karlp> depends what you'r doing too
2020-11-17T23:35:09 < karlp> I solder and construct elsewhere
2020-11-17T23:35:21 < karlp> but otehrwise, all the comptuer desk
2020-11-17T23:35:40 < fenugrec> even for soldering /  constructing, it's nice to refer to schem / BOM / layout on-screen 
2020-11-17T23:35:53 < karlp> very much
2020-11-17T23:36:00 < karlp> at work I drag the laptop with me,
2020-11-17T23:36:08 < karlp> I don't do anything meaningful at home
2020-11-17T23:36:21 < karlp> needs a home desk picture from me, will add that tomorrow I guess.
2020-11-17T23:38:37 < qyx> looks like https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h2plus/ is available again
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2020-11-17T23:46:31 < aandrew> fenugrec: hotel desk? that was like a month ago
2020-11-17T23:46:46 < aandrew> and yes it was choice hotels chain
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2020-11-18T03:50:11 < fenugrec> sometimes they have silly low prices on stuff like ferrules or weird part#s
2020-11-18T03:52:14 < aandrew> I bought a shitload of ferrules off banggood
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2020-11-18T04:56:17 < kiki_lamb> Anyone happen to know how I can work out how much free RAM I've got remaining during runtime on a STM32F103? Working with C/C++ and GCC.
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2020-11-18T05:35:39 < aandrew> kiki_lamb: any RTOS?
2020-11-18T05:35:53 < kiki_lamb> aandrew: Nope, no RTOS.
2020-11-18T05:36:32 < aandrew> well, in that case you can keep track of SP and look at the start of heap and compute it, no?
2020-11-18T05:36:41 < aandrew> I don't think I'm missing anything there, am I?
2020-11-18T05:38:03 < kiki_lamb> That sounds like the right approach, I just need to work out what the relevant variables/macros are to get the figures...
2020-11-18T05:39:07 < BrainDamage> there might be a static analyser that computes the worst case, if you're not allocating memory dynamically
2020-11-18T05:40:11 < aandrew> orbuculum could probably do that
2020-11-18T05:40:18 < aandrew> orbtop is pretty good but not sure if it does PS
2020-11-18T05:40:19 < aandrew> SP
2020-11-18T05:43:12 < kiki_lamb> BrainDamage: Nah, the situation is that I suspect a libary might have a memory leak at runtime and am trying to confirm it by logging free ram.
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2020-11-18T06:41:12 < fenugrec> kiki_lamb, taint all of RAM with a recognizable pattern and periodically check the waterline ?
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2020-11-18T07:43:44 < dongs> kiki_lamb: 'free ram' if they're using dynamic allocation you can easily add some tracking into malloc() and friends.
2020-11-18T07:44:00 < dongs> i mean you're on F103, how much allocating does it do, it only has 20k ram
2020-11-18T07:44:07 < dongs> it should be pretty simple to find shit
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2020-11-18T13:57:14 < rajkosto> the "new blackpill" with STM32F401CCU6 arrived and the QFN had some bridged pins
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2020-11-18T13:57:20 < rajkosto> too advanced technologyh for thes guys i guess
2020-11-18T13:58:54 < emeryth> whoa sick curvy traces
2020-11-18T13:59:09 < rajkosto> yeah, and the holes are gold plated too :IO
2020-11-18T13:59:43 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2020-11-18_12-59-40_lXZffMCQ7.jpg
2020-11-18T14:00:44 < rajkosto> they still havent learned to route SWDO on the debug pins either, at least its easy to accessa with B3
2020-11-18T14:02:49 < emeryth> probably because there is no SWO on a chinese st-link
2020-11-18T14:03:09 < karlp> rajkosto:yar, still forgetting abotu swo is so lame :|
2020-11-18T14:03:27 < rajkosto> emeryth, i mod them to include it, and uart
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2020-11-18T14:59:59 < jpa-> i'd say NRST on debug header would be more glaring omission than SWO
2020-11-18T15:00:14 < jpa-> especially as there is no easy pin for NRST at all
2020-11-18T15:16:27 < karlp> they have a button for that :)
2020-11-18T15:16:48 < karlp> but yeah, stlink 6pin is superior in every way to chian 4pin
2020-11-18T15:17:06  * karlp grumbles at the 6pad layout in front of him in a different order...
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2020-11-18T16:04:58 < englishman> what's stlink 6 pin?
2020-11-18T16:05:03 < englishman> surely not noob-connect?
2020-11-18T16:05:07 < dongs> probablty teh trash on ST evalboards
2020-11-18T16:05:10 < dongs> teh 1x6 straight thing
2020-11-18T16:05:31 < englishman> oh
2020-11-18T16:05:45 < englishman> still not as great as the ARM standard 10pin
2020-11-18T16:06:55 < karlp> the one that needs uncommon cables and connectors? sure it's nice and compact, but fuck that.
2020-11-18T16:08:04 < englishman> you say uncommon, i say abundant
2020-11-18T16:11:24 < Steffanx> Go back to your msp430 englishman  :P
2020-11-18T16:11:42 < englishman> ah yes the 14-pin
2020-11-18T16:11:54 < englishman> also sadly abundant
2020-11-18T16:12:02 < qyx> whats wrong with 10pin cortex debug
2020-11-18T16:17:01 < fenugrec> what's wrong with 1x6 straight
2020-11-18T16:17:12 < dongs> everything
2020-11-18T16:17:14 < dongs> its nonstandard
2020-11-18T16:17:39 < karlp> standard now cunts :)
2020-11-18T16:23:26 < qyx> the nonstandard thing is ST is using nonstandard connectors on their stlinks
2020-11-18T16:24:45 < GyrosGeier> as long as it has a GND between two signal lines
2020-11-18T16:24:56 < GyrosGeier> so you can run it stable at 50 MHz
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2020-11-18T16:34:49 < karlp> yeah, if st had put cortex 10pin on baords, they'd be everywhere.
2020-11-18T16:40:38 < jpa-> they are all silly for not having RX/TX with them ;)
2020-11-18T16:41:07 < karlp> that's their new one :) 
2020-11-18T16:49:04 < srk> I've also modified the 10pin header to have uart and swo on it
2020-11-18T17:03:24 < karlp> it already had swo on it...
2020-11-18T17:03:44 < karlp> or did you decide to go and be even less standard
2020-11-18T17:04:01 < karlp> 10pin 1.27mm pitch and not using the stndard pinout is crazy
2020-11-18T17:05:50 < srk> even less standard, I'll probably switch to standard 10pin later due to cables and stlinks anyway
2020-11-18T17:06:25 < srk> I've tried to build isolated programmer with f4 that would go with it but isolatation didn't work
2020-11-18T17:06:40 < zyp> heh
2020-11-18T17:07:27 < srk> with si8650bb
2020-11-18T17:08:29 < karlp> you know that swdio is bidir right? si86 and friends are mutli channel but not bi-dir
2020-11-18T17:09:27 < srk> 2x
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2020-11-18T17:11:54 < srk> http://48.io/~rmarko/swdprog.pdf
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2020-11-18T17:22:22 < karlp> and what didn't work?
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2020-11-18T17:27:12 < srk> isolation, I've tried to swap resistors but no dice
2020-11-18T17:29:13 < englishman> i dont get it, this 0R jumper says 0.5W at 20A
2020-11-18T17:29:18 < englishman> that should be 25 mohm right
2020-11-18T17:29:22 < englishman> that sounds like a lot
2020-11-18T17:29:27 < englishman> a nfet will be less
2020-11-18T17:29:40 < karlp> some fets...
2020-11-18T17:30:08 < karlp> 25mOhm is pretty low.
2020-11-18T17:30:12 < englishman> https://www.keyelco.com/userAssets/file/M65p54.pdf
2020-11-18T17:30:16 < fenugrec> .5W @ 20A is more like 1.25 mO
2020-11-18T17:30:27 < englishman> oh wait
2020-11-18T17:30:29 < englishman> right
2020-11-18T17:30:29 < englishman> lol
2020-11-18T17:30:33 < englishman> theres a square in there
2020-11-18T17:30:35 < englishman> oups
2020-11-18T17:31:53 < karlp> that's more like it for wire :)
2020-11-18T17:31:58 < englishman> time to print this out again https://diyaudioprojects.com/Technical/Ohms-Law/Ohms-Law-Formula-Wheel.png
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2020-11-18T19:12:27 < geekinabox> Afternoon (or what ever your time denotes) All!, Using an stm32f411, Using the HAL_I2SEx_TransmitReceive_DMA function, its working acceptably. However, I can not figure out how to determine if the HAL_I2SEx_TxRxCpltCallback was called for Rx Or TX
2020-11-18T19:12:54 < geekinabox> is there something I can check in the hi2s instance to see which dma complete interrupt called the callback or?
2020-11-18T19:17:52 < zyp> is it called for both?
2020-11-18T19:17:55 < geekinabox> indeed
2020-11-18T19:18:24 < zyp> then there should be a way to distinguish, but I'm not familiar with the library you're using
2020-11-18T19:18:31 < geekinabox> its the HAL/Cube stuff
2020-11-18T19:18:38 < zyp> yeah, I've never used that
2020-11-18T19:18:43 < geekinabox> Ah :),
2020-11-18T19:18:55 < geekinabox> the HAL code it self can distinguish it, But it does not pass the DMA handle on
2020-11-18T19:19:00 < geekinabox> which is what seems to be the issue? 
2020-11-18T19:19:05 < fenugrec> figure out which HAL function checks the relevant flags in whatever status register is used
2020-11-18T19:19:22 < fenugrec> ah
2020-11-18T19:19:37 < geekinabox> idk where the hal code is hosted or i woudl link the relevant function
2020-11-18T19:19:48 < geekinabox> *where i can find it hosted on line (like github)
2020-11-18T19:20:23 < geekinabox> but the hal code does this to check if (hi2s->hdmarx == hdma)
2020-11-18T19:20:29 < geekinabox> and then only passes on hi2s :/
2020-11-18T19:21:55 < geekinabox> This particular chunk of HAL code has some other issues
2020-11-18T19:22:09 < geekinabox> but those are "supposed to get fixed soon" 
2020-11-18T19:25:01 < geekinabox> Thanks for the help regardless guys :) I'll figure something out regardless, this is for the day job so its gotta get done heh
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2020-11-18T19:31:40 < geekinabox> The real fix is making 2 seperate call backs but for now that would involve maintaining my own copy of that hal file...meh
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2020-11-18T19:36:22 < zyp> I do a similar thing for work for the TI HAL
2020-11-18T19:37:11 < geekinabox> yeah its looking like not a huge choice, Just gonna manually copy some functions and replace the callbacks for now
2020-11-18T19:37:17 < geekinabox> and branch it that way so its at least relatively agnostic
2020-11-18T19:37:31 < geekinabox> just "gross" compared to it being done right to  begin with
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2020-11-18T20:05:41 < geekinabox> it works now what a mess lol
2020-11-18T20:05:46 < geekinabox> thanks again! :)
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2020-11-18T20:23:40 < bitmask> https://www.amazon.com/iGaging-35-2269-Electronic-Magnetic-Protractor/dp/B01FB5UEAE/ OR https://www.amazon.com/Wixey-WR365-Digital-Angle-Gauge/dp/B0054RJ7VC/
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2020-11-18T20:46:58 < Ultrasauce> first one looks way fancier
2020-11-18T20:47:25 < bitmask> yea I just ordered the first one
2020-11-18T20:49:21 < bitmask> the second one just always shows both level and relative at the same time which I thought would be nice but really not that important, and I liked that it had a slot on the bottom so it aligns on pipes or whatever perfectly straight, but I can always 3d print something and put some magnets in it and get the same result
2020-11-18T20:49:48 < Ultrasauce> second one is definitely better for ease of use yeah
2020-11-18T20:51:03 < bitmask> backlight and rechargability is >
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2020-11-18T23:01:38 < zyp> bought another compressor yesterday: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/fDbqi.jpg
2020-11-18T23:01:44 < zyp> cost me two bags of chips
2020-11-18T23:02:03 < Steffanx> and now you have ... two
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2020-11-18T23:02:24 < zyp> nah, I took it apart: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/eKKYR.jpg
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2020-11-18T23:03:22 < Steffanx> Just wanted it for the tanks?
2020-11-18T23:03:23 < zyp> added some new fittings and stuff and ended up with this: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/S4T03.jpg
2020-11-18T23:03:46 < zyp> yeah, advert said motor wouldn't start
2020-11-18T23:05:10 < zyp> now they work nicely as a buffer tank for the big compressor
2020-11-18T23:07:23 < englishman> cool
2020-11-18T23:07:28 < englishman> small tanks but better than nothing
2020-11-18T23:07:40 < englishman> surely they will fill back up in a jif :)
2020-11-18T23:08:14 < zyp> yeah, I was a bit worried about them being too small, but they're fine
2020-11-18T23:08:55 < zyp> did you see the video of running it without tanks?
2020-11-18T23:09:17 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/3bHOf.mp4
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2020-11-19T00:34:39 < BrainDamage> it will behave erratically below the holding current
2020-11-19T00:35:01 < BrainDamage> it can turn off on its own, and forward back the current in the optocoupler
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2020-11-19T00:36:34 < qyx> hm, so what to use to control a 15W shaded pole HVAC fan ?
2020-11-19T00:38:17 < qyx> I am curious if an optotriac, such as MOC3063, can drive the fan directly
2020-11-19T00:48:20 < qyx> CPC1972 will probably do, 250 mA max, 300 uA holding current
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2020-11-19T06:34:17 < fenugrec> qyx, yeah typical shaded pole have a fairly low upper limit on how much current they can draw @ locked rotor. "impedance protected" etc
2020-11-19T06:34:57 < fenugrec> I'd still put a small triac anyway for robustness... they're cheap enough
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2020-11-19T08:49:59 < jpa-> it appears that supply decoupling for ADUM5010 (a 125MHz on-chip smps) requires some care
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2020-11-19T10:16:40 < Sadale> I wonder if anyone has any idea on how one could design hardware that's meant to be continuously operate for an extended period of time reliably. Is there any thing that I could read about it somewhere on the internet?
2020-11-19T10:17:24 < Sadale> Currently I'm just an amateur in hardware design (like PCB design) and I'd like to learn more about how one could engineer it for reliability. Like how one could design it, test it, etc.
2020-11-19T10:20:11 < jpa-> only by experience in the specific kind of hardware
2020-11-19T10:20:38 < jpa-> an embedded linux system operating indoors will have very different failure modes than a SMPS power supply operating in a car
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2020-11-19T10:37:24 < mawk> SMPSPS
2020-11-19T10:37:59 < PaulFertser> And if you make something for space, that's another story too.
2020-11-19T10:40:29 < PaulFertser> I was told that when using industrial-grade (rather than rad-safe) MCUs they prefer older less integrated chips because bigger transistors are more tolerant to ionising rays.
2020-11-19T10:41:10 < mawk> why is it the case?
2020-11-19T10:41:43 < mawk> the "active silicon" density on the chip is the same, or maybe even bigger with older MCUs no?
2020-11-19T10:43:00 < mawk> maybe with older tech it needs more energy to do something
2020-11-19T10:45:32 < PaulFertser> Unfortunately, I have no way to get more details. And probably those who were making decisions in the first place just asked around and were told to do so and followed the trend.
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2020-11-19T10:45:41 < Sadale> hmm. So how do you test for possible failure modes? Do you just put the device there and wait for days or months and see if it'd fail? :P
2020-11-19T10:47:49 < PaulFertser> Sadale: external watchdog which can also monitor current consumption and literally power-cycle the target can workaround a great deal of potential issues. If the situation is recoverable at all.
2020-11-19T10:48:19 < Sadale> Interesting., Didn't know that external watchdog were a thing.
2020-11-19T10:50:55 < PaulFertser> Also, if you expect strong RF interference you might want to use stronger pulls. If you need your equipment to work in the sea you need to find some conformal coating and probably air-tight cases. I guess familiarity with industrial-grade hardware running in similar conditions is required to make the right trade-offs.
2020-11-19T10:51:17 < zyp> 09:43:00 < mawk> maybe with older tech it needs more energy to do something
2020-11-19T10:51:21 < zyp> exactly that
2020-11-19T10:51:39 < zyp> larger transistors have larger gate capacitances
2020-11-19T10:52:13 < zyp> which means that it takes more energy to flip a bit
2020-11-19T10:52:33 < Sadale> PaulFertser, what did you mean by stronger pulls? Like pull ups and pull downs resistors?
2020-11-19T10:53:01 < zyp> yes
2020-11-19T10:53:31 < PaulFertser> Another interesting thing I was told about space rays is that it's often better to not provide any additional metal shielding at all because one high-energy particle flying through can hit like few transistors. But when you add a thin sheet of metal you'll get it emitting many more particles in different directions when hit by just one.
2020-11-19T10:53:40 < zyp> same issue, stronger pulls increases signal energy relative to noise energy
2020-11-19T10:55:59 < Sadale> interesting. I wish I had a chance to work on space stuffs :P
2020-11-19T10:56:23 < PaulFertser> Sadale: Universities have plenty of opportunities to launch cubesats.
2020-11-19T10:57:42 < PaulFertser> I guess there're also some software tricks to improve reliability like periodically checksumming RAM.
2020-11-19T10:57:45 < Sadale> It makes me wonder if one could make it as an individual. It sounds like super expensive to deploy tho.
2020-11-19T10:58:17 < PaulFertser> Deployment should be basically free for educational institutions.
2020-11-19T10:58:37 < Sadale> Wow. Didn't know that.
2020-11-19T10:59:31 < PaulFertser> Testing/certification will still have to be performed and that requires money.
2020-11-19T11:00:11 < Sadale> I see. Totally sounds like something super expensive to me.
2020-11-19T11:00:46 < PaulFertser> Plenty of universities managed it, I'm sure that's not prohibitively expensive.
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2020-11-19T11:29:51 < mawk> do it in ada Sadale 
2020-11-19T11:30:08 < Sadale> What's ada?
2020-11-19T11:30:37 < mawk> a safe language
2020-11-19T11:30:39 < mawk> for space and stuff
2020-11-19T11:31:09 < Sadale> Ah. Programming language.
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2020-11-19T11:31:28 < Sadale> well, it isn't like that I'd be doing it for real. It's fun to dream about stuffs like that tho xD
2020-11-19T11:31:46 < Sadale> It's just far too much work to me. I'd rather to do something else other than space. :P
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2020-11-19T14:52:54 < mawk> BrainDamage: if I want to model attenuation of a ultrasonic wave, the signal strength in dB has the -20log(r) attenuation, and the -Ar dissipation attenuation, and that's it?
2020-11-19T14:53:07 < mawk> also it's inside a metal enclosure with reflections everywhere but I cannot do much about that
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2020-11-19T15:20:27 < jpa-> -20log(r) only applies in free space, in an enclosure with reflections it won't be so well-behaved
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2020-11-19T15:45:50 < mawk> yes that's an issue
2020-11-19T15:54:01 < mawk> normally it's a pretty directional source though
2020-11-19T15:54:10 < mawk> and it hits soft material
2020-11-19T15:54:21 < mawk> so I hope there won't be as many reflections as with say the radar sensor
2020-11-19T15:54:43 < mawk> and it's pretty short range, max 3M
2020-11-19T15:54:46 < mawk> 3m
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2020-11-19T18:49:10 < jpa-> meh, why are usb-c sockets so large
2020-11-19T18:50:56 < rajkosto> 20% wider and 70% longer ?
2020-11-19T18:51:27 < englishman> there are some neat smaller ones like from GCT but they are a bit bigger than micro-usb yeah. worth it imo
2020-11-19T18:52:03 < rajkosto> theyre really nice, and theres 5pin ones for microusb "drop in" too
2020-11-19T18:52:20 < jpa-> rajkosto: there are? that sounds nice
2020-11-19T18:52:26 < jpa-> because i'm really only taking power from it
2020-11-19T18:54:47 < rajkosto> more than 5v ?
2020-11-19T18:55:38 < rajkosto> the 5 pins are CC, USB DP+-, gnd, vbus
2020-11-19T18:55:51 < rajkosto> you can just tie the CC with a resistor to denote "i am a device"
2020-11-19T18:56:06 < rajkosto> otherwise you need a voltage negotiator chip on it
2020-11-19T18:56:26 < jpa-> just 5V; but don't i need to pull-down the both CC pins?
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2020-11-19T18:59:06 < rajkosto> ye its 6pin sorry
2020-11-19T18:59:23 < rajkosto> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000896345613.html like these
2020-11-19T19:00:03 < rajkosto> this one is literally VBUS only
2020-11-19T19:02:16 < jpa-> i wonder if someone will hate me if i use smd-only connector like USB4110; that way i could use the other side of pcb for other parts
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2020-11-19T19:11:49 < mawk> yes I will hate you
2020-11-19T19:28:02 < rajkosto> your connector will RIP OFF with minimum force then
2020-11-19T19:28:15 < rajkosto> unless you have vias to the bottom on GND near those GND pads
2020-11-19T19:28:30 < rajkosto> at that point might as well have the through hole shield holes
2020-11-19T19:28:41 < jpa-> yep
2020-11-19T19:29:11 < Ultrastaffel> just put big pads on the sides on top and make a big mountain of solder
2020-11-19T19:29:12 < jpa-> maybe i could glue it to PCB so that when it rips off it will be extra annoying to replace
2020-11-19T19:29:19 < Ultrastaffel> and now we're going to add some pretty little trees
2020-11-19T19:29:54 < Ultrastaffel> soldering is like a blank canvas. add some lead poisoning and create a mawk
2020-11-19T19:30:02 < PaulFertser> I'd say bluepills' microusb SMD connector is holding reasonably well when soldered properly.
2020-11-19T19:30:31 < mawk> mine broke
2020-11-19T19:30:36 < mawk> after reasonable utilization
2020-11-19T19:30:45 < jpa-> my bluepills have through hole legs
2020-11-19T19:30:51 < mawk> I resoldered it and it broke again later
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2020-11-19T19:31:03 < mawk> yeah chinese went cheap on mine
2020-11-19T19:31:26 < PaulFertser> mawk: hm, so even with all four pads solidly soldered it's still fragile? OK, good to know.
2020-11-19T19:31:50 < mawk> maybe I didn't solder it myself properly, and they neither
2020-11-19T19:31:58 < PaulFertser> I had a feeling that's enough to make it reasonably strong.
2020-11-19T19:32:51 < mawk> after like N insertions it will start breaking even if you're careful every time you use it
2020-11-19T19:33:10 < mawk> and anyway it's not normal to have to be careful when connecting things
2020-11-19T19:34:11 < PaulFertser> uUSB plug and receptable are not that sturdy anyway
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2020-11-19T19:35:17 < jpa-> maybe i'll have to resort to using two PCBs and stack them somehow; that way i'll have space for through hole connectors and i can also have single-sided assembly for each of them
2020-11-19T19:35:40 < PaulFertser> Are popular smartphones/tablets using through-hole usb?
2020-11-19T19:36:07 < jpa-> all the ones i have repaired have had smd-only ;)
2020-11-19T19:36:27 < rajkosto> however they have a case preventing you from ripping it off sideways and outwards
2020-11-19T19:36:30 < PaulFertser> Well, so the end users should be familiar enough with those. That's my point.
2020-11-19T19:37:03 < PaulFertser> The case helps indeed.
2020-11-19T19:37:10 < jpa-> i'll have a case also, for what it does
2020-11-19T19:37:21 < jpa-> IMO it feels like the case will help contain the pieces once it breaks
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2020-11-19T19:38:05 < PaulFertser> :)
2020-11-19T19:38:19 < PaulFertser> Being optimistic there, that's the spirit
2020-11-19T19:40:43 < englishman> rajkosto: it ties the CCs together?
2020-11-19T19:41:33 < englishman> oh 6 pin ok
2020-11-19T19:41:47 < rajkosto> that 6pin doesnt even have dp+-
2020-11-19T19:41:54 < rajkosto> i looked at a different one before
2020-11-19T19:44:18 < rajkosto> An upstream facing port must connect a valid Rp pull-down resistor to GND (or optionally, a voltage clamp) to both CC1
2020-11-19T19:44:18 < rajkosto>  and CC2 pins.
2020-11-19T19:44:40 < rajkosto> so yes i guess they were tied together
2020-11-19T19:45:14 < Thorn> never tie CC1/2 together unless you're designing a raspberry pi
2020-11-19T19:45:23 < englishman> ^
2020-11-19T19:46:03 < englishman> or you copy paste the rpi4 schematic because you are chinese
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2020-11-19T20:23:00 < leibniz[m]> What do you guys think about nRF52? And their new Zephyr-based approach?
2020-11-19T20:32:46 < BrainDamage> mawk: that approximation only works for plane waves, how big is the box compared to your wavelength?
2020-11-19T20:35:00 < bitmask> well this retraction test didnt show much, they all look basically the same: https://i.imgur.com/WC9CCk1.jpg
2020-11-19T20:36:35 < aandrew> leibniz[m]: I've done a shitload of work with nrf51 and nrf52
2020-11-19T20:36:42 < aandrew> I don't like zephyr though
2020-11-19T20:37:38 < leibniz[m]> aandrew: What was you experience? Why not?
2020-11-19T20:37:54 < leibniz[m]> bitmask: I'm currently checking out openSCAD
2020-11-19T20:38:24 < bitmask> never really used it, i like fusion360
2020-11-19T20:40:40 < aandrew> leibniz[m]: I'm oldschool. I like writing plain C based code, not building crap on top of frameworks
2020-11-19T20:43:01 < specing> you are a dinosaur
2020-11-19T20:44:09 < aandrew> quite possible
2020-11-19T20:44:20 < aandrew> probably gonna ride that train into my retirement though
2020-11-19T20:45:10 < englishman> early retirement
2020-11-19T20:45:33 < leibniz[m]> It would be great if people wrote their experience with stuff in blogs or something
2020-11-19T20:45:57 < englishman> they do, unfortunately, more people do than should
2020-11-19T20:46:38 < leibniz[m]> englishman: actually no? in embedded or any other sufficiently advanced filed, the amount of blogs are way too low...I'm not even talking about good blogs
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2020-11-19T20:52:05 < kakium69> boom shaka-laka
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2020-11-19T21:09:39 < Steffanx> commence chats kakium69
2020-11-19T21:09:51 < Steffanx> Hows the job going?
2020-11-19T21:10:02 < kakium69> slowly
2020-11-19T21:18:35 < kakium69> my internets is not okay
2020-11-19T21:19:01 < kakium69> try to speedtest and page doesn't load
2020-11-19T21:20:12 < kakium69> oh yes
2020-11-19T21:20:17 < kakium69> 0.2mbps
2020-11-19T21:25:24 < jadew> pro tip: turn off your KSGER soldering station when measuring stuff
2020-11-19T21:29:57 < Steffanx> i dont have such station
2020-11-19T21:29:57 < Steffanx> Should i turn off my jbc? :P
2020-11-19T21:30:14 < jadew> show off :)
2020-11-19T21:30:17 < jadew> but I don't know, you might have
2020-11-19T21:30:35 < zyp> «ksger» sounds like radio noise :p
2020-11-19T21:30:46 < jadew> that's precisely what it is
2020-11-19T21:31:05 < jadew> it's 50% radio noise and 50% soldering station
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2020-11-19T21:34:22 < Steffanx> if you had made this picologger clone you would have been a more money eastener by now jadew
2020-11-19T21:36:06 < jadew> that's probably true
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2020-11-19T21:36:32 < jadew> I could have charged $400 for ADC-to-Serial
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2020-11-19T21:56:43 < jadew> here's what I mean: http://188.25.136.177/stuff/20201119_213254.mp4
2020-11-19T21:56:53 < jadew> (took a while to transfer that over BT)
2020-11-19T21:57:47 < jadew> the V/div is wrong, multiply that by 10
2020-11-19T22:01:22 < jadew> dinner time
2020-11-19T22:02:29 < zyp> dinner thyme
2020-11-19T22:04:57 < Steffanx> Https://time.is/Romania
2020-11-19T22:06:13 < Steffanx> lol jadew, the last time i transfered data like a video or photo from my phone to something else over bt is ... i cant even remember when it was.
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2020-11-19T22:49:33 < englishman> around the time you were IR beaming your contact info from your palm pilot?
2020-11-19T22:55:58 < Steffanx> i never had such thing
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2020-11-19T23:05:15 < karlp> hrm, gpg signature, but no key.
2020-11-19T23:05:21 < karlp> what's the fucking point of this?
2020-11-19T23:07:20 < rajkosto> Steffanx, i did it 3 days ago
2020-11-19T23:07:47 < zyp> over bt?
2020-11-19T23:08:12 < rajkosto> yes.
2020-11-19T23:08:40 < zyp> why?
2020-11-19T23:09:03 < rajkosto> relative at a gathering wanted to send me a picture
2020-11-19T23:09:21 < zyp> and they had a 15 year old phone?
2020-11-19T23:09:26 < rajkosto> no, it was android
2020-11-19T23:09:30 < rajkosto> android has bluetooth just fine
2020-11-19T23:10:10 < Steffanx> Email works fine for me
2020-11-19T23:10:29 < Steffanx> Or WhatsApp for crappy shit
2020-11-19T23:10:31 < rajkosto> the share button has options email, bluetooth
2020-11-19T23:10:41 < rajkosto> why not pick bluetooth and use local transfer instead of having to remember my email
2020-11-19T23:10:44 < Steffanx> And I dont really care imgur
2020-11-19T23:10:47 < rajkosto> and waiting for internet upload
2020-11-19T23:10:56 < zyp> heh
2020-11-19T23:11:04 < rajkosto> when they clicked bluetooth they saw my phone's name right away
2020-11-19T23:11:05 < Steffanx> Internet upload is faster.
2020-11-19T23:11:10 < zyp> where are you living where bluetooth is faster than internet?
2020-11-19T23:11:17 < rajkosto> and clicked it
2020-11-19T23:11:23 < rajkosto> and could put phone away
2020-11-19T23:11:44 < rajkosto> didnt have to wait for gmail to load up, compose a message with no body and make sure my email is correct
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2020-11-19T23:12:46 < Steffanx> App is loaded instantly, email is auto completed.
2020-11-19T23:13:07 < rajkosto> what if they dont have mobile data and i would have to tell them the wifi password
2020-11-19T23:14:05 < karlp> why the hate on locally transferring files?
2020-11-19T23:14:16 < karlp> I mean, you should be hating on shitty wifi p2p is...
2020-11-19T23:15:32 < Steffanx> i see no hate karlp
2020-11-19T23:16:16 < karlp> disdain then? hate too strong? :)
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2020-11-19T23:22:07 < jadew> whatsapp recompresses everything
2020-11-19T23:22:10 < jadew> including videos
2020-11-19T23:22:16 < jadew> so you'll get a lower quality file
2020-11-19T23:22:37 < jadew> I normally use LAN, but for some reason I can't browse my desktop anymore
2020-11-19T23:22:47 < jadew> I use LAN for video
2020-11-19T23:22:53 < jadew> for images, always bluetooth
2020-11-19T23:23:01 < jadew> works great and it's super easy
2020-11-19T23:23:18 < zyp> I just throw stuff on bin.jvnv.net directly from my phone
2020-11-19T23:24:11 < jadew> I want stuff on my PC first, to remove exif data and maybe resize them before upload
2020-11-19T23:24:40 < englishman> cant you just show them the video on your telephone
2020-11-19T23:25:21 < englishman> then if they want a copy say "i'll email it to you later" then never do it
2020-11-19T23:25:27 < jadew> guess I could wait for everyone to come over...
2020-11-19T23:26:06 < zyp> oh, that's why englishman never shows us any cool pics, he's waiting for us to come over
2020-11-19T23:26:32 < englishman> well, i dont have any cool pix. the lame ones i do have go on telegram because it's easier
2020-11-19T23:27:30 < englishman> like this one https://i.imgur.com/g8GkISO.png
2020-11-19T23:27:47 < zyp> nice
2020-11-19T23:29:10 < zyp> looks messy, what does it do?
2020-11-19T23:29:23 < englishman> laser welder with mig follower
2020-11-19T23:29:56 < englishman> 15kW optical power
2020-11-19T23:30:16 < zyp> fun
2020-11-19T23:31:46 < englishman> another lame image https://i.imgur.com/NYIgvHk.png
2020-11-19T23:32:41 < zyp> looks cooler than my pics
2020-11-19T23:32:51 < englishman> no rocks here
2020-11-19T23:32:52 < rajkosto> what's it perched on
2020-11-19T23:32:56 < englishman> sunflower
2020-11-19T23:33:19 < zyp> recently I only got photos of electrical installations and compressor stuff
2020-11-19T23:33:50 < englishman> sounds p cool to me
2020-11-19T23:34:10 < zyp> did you see my new subpanel?
2020-11-19T23:34:19 < englishman> yes
2020-11-19T23:34:35 < englishman> that DIN stuff looks like a bit of a pain tbh
2020-11-19T23:34:59 < englishman> but i guess that is how 3Φ is done
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2020-11-19T23:44:57 < kakium69> bier
2020-11-19T23:46:13 < karlp> yup
2020-11-19T23:56:12 < zyp> englishman, how so?
2020-11-19T23:58:06 < Steffanx> Why you talk dutch, kakium69 
2020-11-19T23:58:16 < zyp> IMO it's convenient how everything is more or less the same form factor so you can mix and match stuff in the same enclosure
2020-11-19T23:58:26 < qyx> zyp: how do you upload things to jvnv?
2020-11-19T23:58:31 < qyx> using browser?
2020-11-19T23:58:52 < zyp> my understanding is that the american style panels are more compact, but not standardized so you can't mix parts across vendors
2020-11-19T23:58:57 < zyp> qyx, yeah
2020-11-19T23:59:01 < kakium69> Steffanx: deutch
2020-11-19T23:59:07 < Steffanx> Dutch
2020-11-19T23:59:17 < karlp> Steffanx: because like all good scandi alkys, he's drinking geneneric euro lager, labelled "bier" for all that continental  love ;)
2020-11-19T23:59:20 < zyp> qyx, we've talked about making an app you can just share to, but never got around to actually doing that
2020-11-19T23:59:38 < karlp> american panels are also live bus bars...
2020-11-19T23:59:58 < karlp> so yay, less wires, but ... boo for making changes.
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2020-11-20T00:00:17 < karlp> but hey, you want more power? just make your breaker bigger! cross both rails!
2020-11-20T00:00:40 < zyp> what do you mean live bus bars?
2020-11-20T00:00:57 < qyx> DIN can have bus bars too
2020-11-20T00:01:15 < zyp> of course DIN has bus bars
2020-11-20T00:01:26 < karlp> sure, but the bits you're mounting us breakers onto is the live bit.
2020-11-20T00:01:46 < englishman> you can't mix across vendors, but there are only 2 and 1 of them is pretty much dead
2020-11-20T00:01:47 < zyp> yeah?
2020-11-20T00:02:01 < karlp> SquareDeeeeeeee
2020-11-20T00:02:17 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/46MYs.jpg <- top two rows here got bus bars
2020-11-20T00:02:17 < karlp> a schneider brand now iirc?
2020-11-20T00:02:30 < zyp> I wired in the switch on the third row with everything live
2020-11-20T00:02:36 < karlp> yeah, btu the din rail isn't electric
2020-11-20T00:02:59 < zyp> ah, no
2020-11-20T00:03:26 < karlp> https://www.kilowatthvac.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/sprint_phone_086.jpg < breakers clip/screw directly onto the live bars
2020-11-20T00:03:35 < zyp> some stuff use it for ground though
2020-11-20T00:04:14 < zyp> screwing right onto live bars doesn't sound all that unreasonable
2020-11-20T00:04:32 < rajkosto> your screwdriver handles are isolated right ?
2020-11-20T00:04:49 < zyp> yeah, obviously you use isolated screwdrivers when working on live stuff
2020-11-20T00:04:58 < qyx> such colors
2020-11-20T00:06:17 < zyp> when I hooked up my stuff I just flipped off the three last breakers on the second row so the screws I were using wouldn't be loaded
2020-11-20T00:06:27 < zyp> then I just loosened the screw, inserted the wire and tightened again
2020-11-20T00:07:00 < zyp> other nine branches remained on
2020-11-20T00:08:15 < fenugrec> huh. My 1994 laserjet needed rollers; while I was in there I found some leaky Al caps starting to corrode pcb tracks. lucky timing !
2020-11-20T00:08:41 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/7kP9S.jpg <- bus bar in the sub panel has a bunch of spare spots
2020-11-20T00:09:12 < karlp> woo, covers and all, how decidedly professional
2020-11-20T00:09:21 < zyp> kinda cheating hooking a single phase breaker to a three phase bus bar though :p
2020-11-20T00:09:32 < qyx> why is it cheating
2020-11-20T00:09:33 < karlp> you probably even have the colours correct and based on current standards.
2020-11-20T00:09:39 < zyp> yes
2020-11-20T00:09:49 < qyx> I like your covers
2020-11-20T00:09:55 < qyx> I use duct tape for that purpose
2020-11-20T00:09:59 < zyp> haha
2020-11-20T00:09:59 < fenugrec> 3ph residential ^ ?
2020-11-20T00:10:05 < karlp> qyx: because he's preventing the other two phases of that group from being used
2020-11-20T00:10:13 < zyp> fenugrec, yeah, it's common in europe
2020-11-20T00:10:23 < karlp> fenugrec: 3ph residential in all new stuff here too, and friends in aus are getting 3ph on any refurb
2020-11-20T00:10:29 < zyp> karlp, and you can only put single phase loads on L3
2020-11-20T00:10:42 < qyx> wait what
2020-11-20T00:10:44 < zyp> or L1 if you put N on the left
2020-11-20T00:10:51 < qyx> are you even using single phase busbars?
2020-11-20T00:10:59 < fenugrec> 3ph 240Y would be so nice. why can't we have nice things
2020-11-20T00:10:59 < karlp> no, it's three phase bar
2020-11-20T00:11:02 < qyx> wait lol
2020-11-20T00:11:06 < qyx> yeah I understand now
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2020-11-20T00:11:13 < zyp> fenugrec, this is 3ph 400V
2020-11-20T00:11:13 < qyx> we don't have such problems
2020-11-20T00:11:23 < karlp> fenugrec: stop the count! 240 is too high!
2020-11-20T00:11:25 < qyx> we use TN-S inside of buildings
2020-11-20T00:11:37 < qyx> we have no N in the busbar
2020-11-20T00:11:39 < zyp> qyx, this is TN-S
2020-11-20T00:11:45 < karlp> zyp: I imagine that'
2020-11-20T00:11:50 < karlp> s what fenugrec means by 240Y?
2020-11-20T00:12:04 < englishman> these Ikea cr2032 perform as well as brand name under load and are far cheaper
2020-11-20T00:12:04 < qyx> yes but you are using RCBO, we don't usually
2020-11-20T00:12:05 < karlp> (did they really mean three phase Y on american 110 l/n? or something?)
2020-11-20T00:12:18 < zyp> ah, I thought that was a V, not Y
2020-11-20T00:12:21 < fenugrec> "wye" connection, 240V to neutral on each phase
2020-11-20T00:12:31 < zyp> yeah, that's what I've got
2020-11-20T00:12:32 < fenugrec> I'd settle for 208Y
2020-11-20T00:12:43 < zyp> 230V line to neutral nominally
2020-11-20T00:12:44 < qyx> zyp: we use a 3 phase RCD with a combination of 3 and 1 phase breakers
2020-11-20T00:12:49 < qyx> without breaking neutral
2020-11-20T00:13:06 < zyp> and 230V * sqrt(3) = 400V is line-line
2020-11-20T00:13:07 < fenugrec> but no. We need https://ibb.co/Cm0Ds3y rotary phase firestarters
2020-11-20T00:13:16 < fenugrec> ah yes
2020-11-20T00:13:51 < fenugrec> matches the "380VAC" rated motors I guess
2020-11-20T00:13:58 < zyp> yes
2020-11-20T00:14:19 < zyp> well, 220/380 vs 230/400
2020-11-20T00:15:17 < qyx> we used 220/380 in the past
2020-11-20T00:15:28 < zyp> qyx, so no single phase RCDs?
2020-11-20T00:15:50 < qyx> only if you have a single phase supply
2020-11-20T00:15:53 < qyx> such as in flats
2020-11-20T00:16:04 < zyp> here it's all individual RCBOs
2020-11-20T00:16:17 < zyp> one common RCD is pretty shit :)
2020-11-20T00:16:30 < qyx> in such case there is a single single-phase RCD and a couple of single phase breakers
2020-11-20T00:16:38 < zyp> I've lived in older houses with a common RCD, fun when it trips and takes out the whole house
2020-11-20T00:16:40 < qyx> it is but ~economic~
2020-11-20T00:16:50 < zyp> meh
2020-11-20T00:17:16 < qyx> a RCD or a RCBO is ~30 €
2020-11-20T00:17:24 < qyx> a single phase breaker is 2.50 €
2020-11-20T00:17:44 < qyx> even siemens breakers are about 4 €
2020-11-20T00:17:50 < zyp> hah
2020-11-20T00:18:21 < qyx> I like OEZ (a czech brand), they cooperate with siemens or whatever
2020-11-20T00:18:25 < qyx> they use the same design
2020-11-20T00:18:30 < zyp> try getting a DC RCD
2020-11-20T00:18:41 < zyp> here they are mandated on circuits for EV charging
2020-11-20T00:18:58 < zyp> they are like 200€
2020-11-20T00:19:26 < qyx> siemens one https://i1.wp.com/vashielectricals.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/5sy52637cc.jpg?fit=210%2C300&ssl=1
2020-11-20T00:19:33 < qyx> and oez https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/XzPx1yFPBMvK4vMdWsIYpHzaiaEGDXwenkzV4JZtDuKC8VQDexLMthdgVNWPXQrx0pgU1oN9BZbRLWIfPflyVSyJr4h0FA7_KM6EBPKybHEoJwOmFLDEnneiaPVc8JOP_5cYK8K8JATO
2020-11-20T00:20:27 < qyx> also I can see your eatons have marked line/load sides
2020-11-20T00:20:34 < qyx> here they don't have such thing
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2020-11-20T00:20:42 < zyp> that's only the ones with the LEDs
2020-11-20T00:20:56 < zyp> I think that is so the led goes out when it trips
2020-11-20T00:21:01 < qyx> https://www.bosycompany.eu/fotky7538/fotos/gen320/gen__vyr_221ChranPFL7.jpg
2020-11-20T00:21:08 < qyx> oh
2020-11-20T00:21:31 < zyp> the three phase one doesn't care
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2020-11-20T04:04:46 < jadew> man... it's impossible to give a good price on ebay
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2020-11-20T04:09:32 < jadew> I managed to cut the BOM down by almost 50%, and I still can't make a decent profit off of those amplifiers
2020-11-20T04:13:08 < jadew> I might make more money if I sell the parts separately, otherwise I can't even make my time's worth back
2020-11-20T04:13:24 < jadew> (per pcs)
2020-11-20T04:32:27 < Spirit532> STM32 people, I have an issue with LTDC:
2020-11-20T04:32:28 < Spirit532> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be0GWFaw5g4
2020-11-20T04:33:29 < Spirit532> This is 24-bit hardware(RGB888), 16-bit(RGB565) internal framebuffer. On the video it's generating random colors, but I keep getting these weird horizontal lines. The pixel clock is within the acceptable range, and I've tried changing the porch/sync timings around with no effect.
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2020-11-20T04:34:21 < Spirit532> The display is also flickering slightly.
2020-11-20T04:34:51 < Spirit532> Datasheet for the controller: https://www.buydisplay.com/download/ic/ILI6480.pdf
2020-11-20T04:34:58 < Spirit532> Page 43 is timings
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2020-11-20T04:48:12 < jly> gooday foke
2020-11-20T04:52:28 < funky> s
2020-11-20T04:54:38 < jly> the irc
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2020-11-20T06:14:35 < jadew> I want to see something spectacular before I go to bed
2020-11-20T06:14:36 < jadew> links?
2020-11-20T06:19:25 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZMx_tZOP_Y
2020-11-20T06:19:57 < jadew> haha
2020-11-20T06:19:59 < jadew> nice
2020-11-20T06:22:16 < Spirit532> Anyone? :(
2020-11-20T06:42:04 < jly> ya
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2020-11-20T12:17:16 < Spirit532> I got past the LTDC issue, but now I have another:
2020-11-20T12:17:56 < Spirit532> I'm trying to move the framebuffer to RAM_D2, because it's an STM32H743 and there's 288KB of unused RAM there, plus I want to use D-cache and I can't without MPU-protecting the frame buffer due to corruption issues.
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2020-11-20T12:19:15 < Spirit532> However, while relocating the section works(and is intended by touchgfx people), I can't for the life of me get it to /do/ anything. The address is set, everything is fine, but memory view just says it's all FFs, I get nothing on the display and LTDC doesn't seem to be showing anything(because FFs should be full white, and it's all black). 
2020-11-20T12:19:21 < Spirit532> What am I doing wrong?
2020-11-20T12:19:36 < Spirit532> (yes, clocks are started, at the very top of main() before anything is accessed)
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2020-11-20T12:42:53 < Thorn> Spirit532 how did you fix your first issue?
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2020-11-20T16:41:20 < emeryth> anybody use the touch sensing library?
2020-11-20T16:41:42 < emeryth> what can I tweak to make it react better to quick swipes on a linear sensor?
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2020-11-20T20:06:57 < zyp> Steffanx, gls is still being weird about the «The parcel has been delivered at a post office.»
2020-11-20T20:11:51 < zyp> ah, yup, it's at my local post office just as last time
2020-11-20T20:12:05 < zyp> just weirder because this time it apparently got two different national tracking numbers
2020-11-20T20:13:17 < zyp> https://sporing.posten.no/sporing/70300493378955629?lang=en vs https://sporing.posten.no/sporing/00557007282311417506?lang=en
2020-11-20T20:13:22 < zyp> idk what this is supposed to mean
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2020-11-20T20:46:24 < upgrdman> impressive https://gfycat.com/cleargroundedamericanlobster
2020-11-20T20:59:44 < antto> OM NOM NOM........ NOM....
2020-11-20T21:00:13 < antto> all flights are canceled for tonight
2020-11-20T21:01:26 < Steffanx> Uhm, and what do you expect me to say zyp? :P
2020-11-20T21:01:34 < Steffanx> i know nothing about gls
2020-11-20T21:03:51 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/review.jpg    i gave this schematic to my assistant for review, but i'm not sure what to make of the comments
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2020-11-20T21:04:34 < Ultrasauce> u3 has been met with disapproval
2020-11-20T21:06:17 < jpa-> like C12.. but C12 was actually crap
2020-11-20T21:08:46 < englishman> he clearly disapproves of your whitespace as well
2020-11-20T21:16:01 < zyp> Steffanx, idk, I blame you
2020-11-20T21:17:01 < BrainDamage> zyp: out of cureiosity, what do you use as zigbee gateway?
2020-11-20T21:17:18 < zyp> deconz with a conbee 2
2020-11-20T21:17:40 < BrainDamage> thanks
2020-11-20T21:19:40 < Steffanx> Thanks zyp. I appriciate it.
2020-11-20T21:19:50 < Steffanx> appreciate*
2020-11-20T21:20:41 < zyp> they're dutch, right?
2020-11-20T21:21:09 < zyp> huh
2020-11-20T21:21:32 < zyp> founded in germany, currently headquartered in .nl and owned by .uk
2020-11-20T21:21:43 < zyp> close enough
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2020-11-20T22:02:55 < Spirit532>   Thorn, I was using an incorrect format and timings
2020-11-20T22:03:04 < Spirit532> But I'm still struggling with RAM section relocation to D2 :<
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2020-11-21T00:11:00 < qyx> wow the stlink v3 mini is really hot
2020-11-21T00:11:03 < qyx> I mean literally
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2020-11-21T00:26:37 < Steffanx> Hot as in tea. Hm
2020-11-21T00:40:21 < bitmask> didnt realize how different big sur was, gonna take some getting used to
2020-11-21T00:59:44 < karlp> jpa-:what's U3?
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2020-11-21T01:04:40 < zyp> bitmask, what's new?
2020-11-21T01:05:46 < bitmask> biggest UI change since i started using a mac years ago, looks more cartoony
2020-11-21T01:06:55 < zyp> any interesting changes?
2020-11-21T01:06:59 < zyp> or just looks?
2020-11-21T01:07:53 < bitmask> not sure yet
2020-11-21T01:08:52 < zyp> looking through the list on wikipedia now, looks like the big thing is ARM support, which only matters if you're getting an ARM-based mac
2020-11-21T01:10:55 < qyx> and the spy-and-report-what-you-run feature
2020-11-21T01:11:17 < zyp> is that new?
2020-11-21T01:11:57 < qyx> apparently there is a brand new one
2020-11-21T01:12:05 < qyx> but idk anything more
2020-11-21T01:12:27 < qyx> something reporting hashes of the executables and asking for permissions to run it over the internet
2020-11-21T01:12:43 < zyp> saw some buzz about it last week, didn't get the part where it came with the new version, thought it were already present
2020-11-21T01:12:55 < zyp> but I guess that makes sense
2020-11-21T01:13:09 < qyx> people were complaining that starting apps takes ages when their servers were overloaded
2020-11-21T01:13:17 < zyp> yeah, that's what I saw
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2020-11-21T01:44:18 < rajkosto> it checks the signature of every app you run and to check the signature it needs to check revocation list which apple runs their own OCSP server for, and that was overloaded
2020-11-21T01:44:51 < rajkosto> Windows SmartScreen is basically the same thing and can cause you to NOT BE ABLE TO RUN ANY MORE EXES if it hangs, it happened to me a few times before i disabled that garbage
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2020-11-21T01:59:53 < qyx> at least it can be disabled in windows
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2020-11-21T03:57:55 < kiki_lamb> So... if I actually place my code in the spots that CubeMX 'helpfully' marks for 'user code' in it's auto-generated code.. wouldn't that put my code under their wonky license? I've got to stick it in a second file to dodge the license?
2020-11-21T03:59:10 < kiki_lamb> The main.c it gives me is marked as copyrighted by ST, and as being under their weird license... so... I can't really actually stick code there without tainting it, yeah?
2020-11-21T04:05:00 < aandrew> kiki_lamb: the first thing I do after letting cube autogen is to go thorugh anything not in Drivers/ and nuke all that retarded shit from orbit
2020-11-21T04:09:57 < kiki_lamb> hmm. i suppose that might be sound advice.
2020-11-21T04:10:38 < aandrew> ST wouldn't for a hot second consider actually trying to enforce their boilerplate copyright bullshit on code they give away for free so people will buy their devices
2020-11-21T04:14:27 < kiki_lamb> I hope not.. still, seems pretty odd... I can imagine if I were in the legal department of some company it'd look kinda concerning. seems like a weird unnnecessary trap.
2020-11-21T04:15:36 < kiki_lamb> I guess it might be a reason to spend more time learning CMSIS over the ST HAL, and to minimize use of the latter?
2020-11-21T04:16:26 < aandrew> I think if you're worried about these things then that is another issue
2020-11-21T04:18:56 < kiki_lamb> Heh. I mean, I'm just a hobbyist so I have basically no realistic worry of getting into any trouble... I'm more just annoyed 'cause it seems like a dick move for no real reason.
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2020-11-21T04:34:24 < Streaker> kiki_lamb: the copyright applies to their generated code, not to your additions.
2020-11-21T04:43:52 < kiki_lamb> Streaker: does it say that somewhere?
2020-11-21T04:45:08 < Streaker> I should. I don't know where though.
2020-11-21T04:45:27 < kiki_lamb> like, on a naive readthrough, I'd presume a copyright notice and license at the top of the file, unless otherwise noted, would apply to that file... so it seems like adding code within that file would qualify as a 'modification', and be under the same license.
2020-11-21T04:45:37 < kiki_lamb> Agree that it ~should~... would be pleased if it did.
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2020-11-21T09:46:18 < jpa-> karlp: SI8920 analog isolator
2020-11-21T09:46:43 < jpa-> karlp: i'm planning a thingy that i could just plug between scope BNC and probe BNC and to scope USB port and it would isolate it
2020-11-21T09:53:42 < zyp> nice
2020-11-21T09:54:56 < jpa-> i actually wonder if anyone would buy one for ~50EUR; i'm currently planning on two versions, one DC-500kHz and other 5kHz-100MHz
2020-11-21T09:55:16 < jpa-> that is, unless i get distracted by other projects as usually happens when i try to make some own product..
2020-11-21T09:55:26 < zyp> :)
2020-11-21T09:56:30 < jpa-> https://www.tindie.com/products/emcgear/analog-isolator-dc-to-1-mhz-bnc-42kv/   it seems a lot of the existing hardware is pretty bulky and expensive
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2020-11-21T20:46:43 < jadew> I wish there was an AI powered program that could rewrite text in an image
2020-11-21T20:46:54 < jadew> is there?
2020-11-21T20:47:54 < jadew> is Cracki still banned?
2020-11-21T20:48:01 < jadew> that's his area
2020-11-21T20:54:14 < Steffanx> Hes still in #opencv
2020-11-21T20:55:43 < mawk> unban him
2020-11-21T20:55:46 < mawk> Steffanx 
2020-11-21T21:02:44 < Steffanx> The time we listened to our french conquerers are over mawk
2020-11-21T21:04:59 < jpa-> jadew: you mean like OCR?
2020-11-21T21:05:26 < jadew> jpa-, yeah, I was hoping to recognize the text and allow me to edit it in the photo
2020-11-21T21:05:40 < jadew> and then come out as if it was not altered at all
2020-11-21T21:07:57 < jpa-> https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=MacPaint_Evolution.txt   that reminds me of the last part of this story :)
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2020-11-21T21:16:51 < Steffanx> heh
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2020-11-21T22:00:39 < mawk> it's spain you should be fighting Steffanx 
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2020-11-21T22:20:20 < Steffanx> ànd this french guy mawk
2020-11-21T22:20:41 < Steffanx> somwhere around 1800
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2020-11-21T23:07:24 < mawk> I want to escher museum with the russian girl Steffanx 
2020-11-21T23:07:28 < mawk> and bought her some posters
2020-11-21T23:07:31 < mawk> am I a nice guy?
2020-11-21T23:07:41 < Steffanx> deja vu
2020-11-21T23:07:58 < mawk> no you didn't know about posters
2020-11-21T23:08:04 < mawk> and I will get them framed so it's nice
2020-11-21T23:08:09 < mawk> is it better than AK-47 vodka ?
2020-11-21T23:08:15 < Steffanx> totally
2020-11-21T23:08:26 < mawk> or is it something only a weak feminized manlet would do and I should still with the vodka
2020-11-21T23:08:30 < Steffanx> unless your gf is more into alcohol 
2020-11-21T23:08:46 < mawk> it's not my gf
2020-11-21T23:08:52 < mawk> it's my mistress
2020-11-21T23:09:21 < mawk> or rather I'm her mister
2020-11-21T23:09:25 < mawk> it's not a symmetrical relationship
2020-11-21T23:09:59 < Steffanx> ok
2020-11-21T23:10:50 < mawk> and she bought me an advent calendar with teas
2020-11-21T23:11:06 < mawk> Igor would turn crazy if he knew
2020-11-21T23:11:25 < mawk> he's already sobbing every night about how she doesn't care or something
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2020-11-21T23:15:11 < qyx> wait what
2020-11-21T23:15:43 < qyx> did you steal laurenceb's basement russian girl?
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2020-11-21T23:16:15 < mawk> lol
2020-11-21T23:16:20 < mawk> no I found her by myself
2020-11-21T23:16:50 < karlp> escher museum in den haag?
2020-11-21T23:16:53 < karlp> I loved that place :)
2020-11-21T23:16:54 < mawk> yes
2020-11-21T23:16:59 < mawk> yeah it's pretty cool
2020-11-21T23:17:00 < qyx> on tinder?
2020-11-21T23:17:11 < mawk> but with corona they shut down all the interactive exhibitions of the last floor
2020-11-21T23:17:15 < mawk> yes qyx 
2020-11-21T23:17:17 < karlp> booo
2020-11-21T23:17:24 < karlp> still, even the rest of it was great
2020-11-21T23:17:29 < mawk> yeah
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2020-11-21T23:18:35 < mawk> yes qyx I found a married (for 15+ years) ukrainian girl on tinder
2020-11-21T23:18:46 < mawk> it's her husband that put her there
2020-11-21T23:18:50 < mawk> so that he can do it too, smart eh?
2020-11-21T23:19:10 < qyx> put her where, on tinder?
2020-11-21T23:19:20 < mawk> yes
2020-11-21T23:19:38 < qyx> today relationships are weird
2020-11-21T23:19:43 < mawk> lol
2020-11-21T23:19:45 < mawk> he said "you can go on tinder and talk with guys, meanwhile I can go fuck some girls to release my sexual addiction"
2020-11-21T23:20:11 < mawk> her being a shy and insecure girl, he thought nothing would happen, at most she would talk a bit or have a one night stand or two
2020-11-21T23:20:12 < qyx> and is she ok with that
2020-11-21T23:20:18 < mawk> she had no choice
2020-11-21T23:20:23 < mawk> he has the money, the house, everything
2020-11-21T23:20:30 < mawk> but yeah she agreed
2020-11-21T23:20:55 < mawk> she rather wanted him to go fuck around than having to endure the marital duty every night as if he was a 14 years old teenager with boiling hormones
2020-11-21T23:21:29 < qyx> uhm
2020-11-21T23:21:50 < mawk> and actually the reverse of what he hoped happened, he got almost nothing and she got me
2020-11-21T23:21:53 < mawk> and now he's crying about it
2020-11-21T23:22:45 < qyx> one day she'll be made redundant
2020-11-21T23:22:52 < qyx> ie. released
2020-11-21T23:23:13 < qyx> but, you know, russians have novicok
2020-11-21T23:23:17 < mawk> lol
2020-11-21T23:23:30 < qyx> oh you said she is .ua
2020-11-21T23:23:34 < qyx> the same
2020-11-21T23:23:39 < mawk> yeah same thing
2020-11-21T23:23:52 < qyx> not entirelay, but meh
2020-11-21T23:23:55 < mawk> well I hope he divorces or something, then he can stop preventing her from seeing me
2020-11-21T23:23:55 < qyx> -a
2020-11-21T23:25:19 < mawk> he gambled with life by wanting more than what he had, and he lost; now it's me who she loves
2020-11-21T23:25:27 < mawk> but he's not fairplay, I claim my prize and he won't give it to me
2020-11-21T23:32:35 < Steffanx> Its still a fucked up story in any way
2020-11-21T23:34:19 < Streaker> you should challenge him to a duel
2020-11-21T23:40:57 < Steffanx> Igor is pumped
2020-11-21T23:46:36 < qyx> he should kicad a bit to use his potential
2020-11-21T23:58:52 < specing> lmao mawk 
2020-11-21T23:59:16 < mawk> it's a very normal story Steffanx 
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2020-11-22T00:02:00 < qyx> ontopic, where can I check flash sector organisation for a particular stm32?
2020-11-22T00:02:16 < qyx> a table would be awesome
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2020-11-22T00:17:13 < Steffanx> love messed up your mind mawk
2020-11-22T00:18:28 < Steffanx> or maybe the drugs idk
2020-11-22T00:18:47 < mawk> why Steffanx :(
2020-11-22T00:18:50 < mawk> I'm not messed up
2020-11-22T00:18:54 < qyx> haha
2020-11-22T00:24:12 < jadew> mawk, is this the same couple who wanted you to get her pregnant?
2020-11-22T00:28:42 < jadew> I've been gathering unopened packages from china since covid started - was just skipping the ones I didn't really need
2020-11-22T00:29:12 < jadew> it felt like christmas used to feel when I was a kid
2020-11-22T00:29:31 < jadew> 16 presents
2020-11-22T00:34:07 < zyp> haha
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2020-11-22T00:49:55 < Steffanx> One day, when its all over we'll talk again about this mawk
2020-11-22T00:51:19 < karlp> qyx: you mean across mmultiple parts?
2020-11-22T00:51:26 < karlp> it's always in the early section of the ref mans
2020-11-22T00:52:04 < karlp> "NVM Organization"
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2020-11-22T01:43:44 < qyx> karlp: yeah there were parts with like 4x16k + 128k or so
2020-11-22T01:44:10 < qyx> I wanted to find parts with 2k or 4k erase blocks if there are any
2020-11-22T01:44:19 < karlp> I'm not aware of any cross fmaily reference sorry
2020-11-22T01:44:29 < qyx> it looks like G4 has that small blocks
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2020-11-22T01:45:31 < qyx> I want to use spifs on the internal flash
2020-11-22T01:45:39 < qyx> to do some OTA magic
2020-11-22T01:45:53 < karlp> cute
2020-11-22T01:46:31 < mawk> yes jadew 
2020-11-22T01:46:37 < mawk> but since the husband got jealous
2020-11-22T01:46:51 < mawk> and he doesn't want me to get his wife pregnant anymore, apparently
2020-11-22T01:47:24 < mawk> who says it's going to end Steffanx 
2020-11-22T01:47:30 < mawk> I'll get them to divorce and get her back
2020-11-22T01:47:40 < Steffanx> It. Can be
2020-11-22T01:47:44 < Steffanx> Anything 
2020-11-22T01:47:54 < Steffanx> I didnt specify "it" :P
2020-11-22T01:48:05 < qyx> is she allright
2020-11-22T01:48:21 < qyx> ask Steffanx 
2020-11-22T01:48:38 < Steffanx> No its SAFU
2020-11-22T01:48:42 < mawk> what
2020-11-22T01:49:17 < qyx> I don't even
2020-11-22T01:49:26 < qyx> how was it
2020-11-22T01:49:26 < mawk> ?¿
2020-11-22T01:49:33 < mawk> what do you mean by alright qyx 
2020-11-22T01:52:51 < qyx> btw if she is married for 15y, is she older than you?
2020-11-22T01:53:14 < mawk> yes 10 years more
2020-11-22T01:53:45 < mawk> but she looks the same age as me
2020-11-22T01:53:47 < mawk> it's the asian genes
2020-11-22T01:55:07 < karlp> https://funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/1871413/How/ (horrible url, but can't find a better one on short notice)
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2020-11-22T01:55:53 < karlp> https://chinesegirlsare.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/aging-process.jpg is easier and less cooooookies
2020-11-22T02:10:03 < mawk> lol
2020-11-22T02:13:47 < Steffanx> Damn you mawk/qyx you should listen to stvn/ jly more
2020-11-22T02:14:11 < mawk> lol
2020-11-22T02:14:12 < mawk> why
2020-11-22T02:14:14 < Steffanx> SAFU = sounds all fucked up 
2020-11-22T02:14:24 < mawk> meh no it's perfectly normal
2020-11-22T02:15:09 < qyx> Steffanx: 
2020-11-22T02:15:12 < qyx> ty
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2020-11-22T03:19:44 < kiki_lamb> anyone know of a good tutorial for setting up a ChibiOS / STM32 toolchain without ChibiStudio?
2020-11-22T03:37:27 < mawk> https://makerdiary.com/collections/prototyping/products/nrf52840-mdk-iot-development-kit
2020-11-22T03:37:29 < mawk> expensive
2020-11-22T03:37:37 < mawk> I'd buy a chinese clone though
2020-11-22T03:38:00 < mawk> the same kind with a wifi controller added: https://makerdiary.com/collections/prototyping/products/pitaya-go
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2020-11-22T04:33:58 < aandrew> not even a chinese clone's needed, $20 gets you an nrf52 dongle
2020-11-22T04:40:58 < mawk> yeah I've got one but it's a bit lousy
2020-11-22T04:41:13 < mawk> have to solder swd to it, not much gpio
2020-11-22T04:41:23 < mawk> it's better in the format I've linked
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2020-11-22T08:36:27 < Jak_o_Shadows> In 25 words or less, what are the TIMx_CHyN?
2020-11-22T08:36:49 < Jak_o_Shadows> Are they just something that can be used as an alternative to TIMx_CHy?
2020-11-22T08:36:54 < Jak_o_Shadows> Or are they inverted?
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2020-11-22T08:45:47 < Jak_o_Shadows> Ok, so apparently it is negative
2020-11-22T08:47:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> So in that case I'll just grab one of the TIM3 channels.
2020-11-22T08:47:59 < Jak_o_Shadows> Because I don't have PA8 or PB13 on a TSSOP20 package, so I can't do much
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2020-11-22T09:15:08 < jpa-> Jak_o_Shadows: IIRC one can select their polarity, to make them inverted or not
2020-11-22T09:15:24 < jpa-> and also to add deadtime between CH1 and CH1N
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2020-11-22T10:03:57 < Jak_o_Shadows> ahhhh.
2020-11-22T10:04:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah. 
2020-11-22T10:04:11 < Jak_o_Shadows> If I were doing things properly, I think I would be using them properly
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2020-11-22T10:20:08 < karlp> mawk: that board's only cuteness is putting a hub onboard so that you can still use the nrf's usb device, if that's not an important part of your development, https://www.nordicsemi.com/Software-and-tools/Development-Kits/nRF52840-Dongle is cheaper and directly supported by tooling too
2020-11-22T10:20:35 < karlp> what are you missing on yours?
2020-11-22T10:20:39 < karlp> or, what are you trying to do?
2020-11-22T10:22:23 < karlp> I mean, the "full" board https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nordic-Semiconductor/nRF52840-DK isn't much more if it's for real work
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2020-11-22T10:38:22 < qyx> https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/21/baltic-sea-passenger-ferry-runs-aground-off-finnish-islands-with-over-400-people-on-board
2020-11-22T10:38:27 < qyx> rip jpa
2020-11-22T10:38:32 < qyx> oh, all alive
2020-11-22T10:41:53 < karlp> yar, ysed a bigger boat than normal because of strong weather warnings or something...
2020-11-22T10:41:59 < karlp> bit toooo muchbigger I guess..
2020-11-22T11:12:27 < jpa-> seems to happen every few weeks nowadays
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2020-11-22T18:11:38 < mawk> well builtin debug is convenient karlp 
2020-11-22T18:11:41 < mawk> and exposed ports
2020-11-22T18:11:46 < mawk> but yeah I wouldn't buy it at this price for sure
2020-11-22T18:12:22 < mawk> I already have the little dongles, but I had to solder ugly headers to expose swd, and the castellated shit on the outer edge is even harder to properly secure pins to
2020-11-22T18:12:33 < mawk> it's not really a good development board
2020-11-22T18:12:57 < mawk> therer's this dk thing but 40€ is better spent on food than boards currently lol
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2020-11-22T18:21:22 < Steffanx> And drugs?
2020-11-22T18:21:37 < Steffanx> And gifts for gf
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2020-11-22T18:30:15 < mawk> I don't buy drugs mr Steffanx 
2020-11-22T18:30:18 < mawk> I am a clean man
2020-11-22T18:34:36 < Steffanx> Alright 
2020-11-22T18:42:49 < Ultrastaffel> bullllllllllshit
2020-11-22T18:43:28 < mawk> I only buy according to my prescription
2020-11-22T18:43:41 < Ultrastaffel> you mean your LCSC order?
2020-11-22T18:43:45 < mawk> and sometimes some hasj to sleep better when I don't get my full prescription
2020-11-22T18:43:48 < mawk> lol
2020-11-22T18:43:52 < Ultrastaffel> when you open up the package, you sniff the china plastic and get high
2020-11-22T18:43:59 < mawk> I haven't built anything yet
2020-11-22T18:44:06 < mawk> only breakout boards for strange chips
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2020-11-22T21:09:56 < mawk> I had a super idea for the nrf dongle
2020-11-22T21:09:59 < mawk> make a U2F key
2020-11-22T21:10:02 < mawk> but some chinese already did it
2020-11-22T21:10:15 < kakium69> I had innovation today
2020-11-22T21:11:50 < mawk> what did you innovate kakium69 ?
2020-11-22T21:11:58 < kakium69> thanks for asking
2020-11-22T21:12:34 < kakium69> anti-perspirant for ass crack
2020-11-22T21:12:51 < mawk> I wish I hadn't asked
2020-11-22T21:13:05 < mawk> why are you perspiring anyway
2020-11-22T21:13:08 < mawk> it's winter
2020-11-22T21:15:21 < kakium69> perspiring never stops
2020-11-22T21:18:56 < Ultrastaffel> if you are having trouble with asscracktranspiration, try wearing more comfortable clothes and standing more often.
2020-11-22T21:19:38 < mawk> how much do you weigh kakium69 ?
2020-11-22T21:19:49 < mawk> you're not a lady you can answer that
2020-11-22T21:20:14 < kakium69> 83kg
2020-11-22T21:20:32 < mawk> here's your problem
2020-11-22T21:20:37 < mawk> you should weigh 60kg for 180cm like me
2020-11-22T21:20:41 < mawk> no perspiration issues
2020-11-22T21:20:46 < kakium69> yes
2020-11-22T21:21:06 < kakium69> definitelly under 80
2020-11-22T21:21:30 < kakium69> but 60kg.. that's really dry
2020-11-22T21:21:49 < mawk> that's the Requiem for a Dream diet
2020-11-22T21:21:56 < kakium69> I know
2020-11-22T21:22:00 < mawk> probably I'm 65kg now though
2020-11-22T21:22:05 < mawk> since my diet is now comprised of donuts
2020-11-22T21:22:12 < mawk> thanks to Steffanx's gastronomu
2020-11-22T21:22:15 < mawk> gastronomy
2020-11-22T21:23:12 < kakium69> 65kg and gets type 2 diabetus
2020-11-22T21:23:16 < mawk> lol
2020-11-22T21:24:34 < kakium69> I went under 80 once
2020-11-22T21:24:42 < kakium69> coffee + snus diet
2020-11-22T21:24:55 < kakium69> one small meal per day
2020-11-22T21:27:56 < mawk> I eat once a day too, evening
2020-11-22T21:28:01 < mawk> the rest is caffeine and nicotine
2020-11-22T21:29:43 < kakium69> :o
2020-11-22T21:31:51 < mawk> it's not voluntary
2020-11-22T21:31:56 < mawk> I'm just not hungry the rest of the time
2020-11-22T21:32:50 < kakium69> yes
2020-11-22T21:33:07 < kakium69> I know how it works
2020-11-22T21:33:52 < Steffanx> are you still on this snus mr kakium69?
2020-11-22T21:34:05 < kakium69> sure thing
2020-11-22T21:34:10 < Steffanx> :(
2020-11-22T21:35:54 < mawk> you want some too kakium69 ?
2020-11-22T21:35:56 < mawk> Steffanx: *
2020-11-22T21:35:58 < mawk> sorry
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2020-11-22T21:55:09 < jadew> I think those weight standards are bugous
2020-11-22T21:55:47 < jadew> I'm 1.87 and it's telling me I should weight ~74 kg
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2020-11-22T21:56:20 < jadew> I'm skinny at 80 kg
2020-11-22T21:56:45 < qyx> heavy bones
2020-11-22T21:57:30 < jadew> the BMI scale says I have 3.2 kg of bones
2020-11-22T21:57:31 < BrainDamage> height vs weight are just 0 order approxximations
2020-11-22T21:57:34 < jadew> doesn't sound like much
2020-11-22T21:57:51 < BrainDamage> ofc fat distribution, amount, etc matters
2020-11-22T21:58:27 < jadew> yeah, I have fat around the belly and not enough muscle
2020-11-22T21:58:38 < jadew> but if I got to 74, I'd be fat free and muscle free
2020-11-22T21:59:08 < BrainDamage> visceral fat is the one correlated to cardiovascular diseases fwiw
2020-11-22T22:00:12 < jadew> well, I'm working on it
2020-11-22T22:00:52 < jadew> I was 77 kg at one point, that was the most in shape I've ever been
2020-11-22T22:01:20 < jadew> lots of biking and gym in that period, but I still didn't think I looked normal
2020-11-22T22:03:58 < BrainDamage> well, you can also be on the unlucky side wrt genetics, some people are hardwired to eat more than others
2020-11-22T22:04:32 < BrainDamage> altough it's unclear how much that mutation is diffused, and how many variants there are
2020-11-22T22:05:29 < jadew> it was a metabolic change
2020-11-22T22:06:19 < jadew> around 28 yo, I went from super skinny, no matter how much I ate, to skinny-fat, eating normally
2020-11-22T22:06:36 < mawk> I should eat as much as I can until I turn 28 then
2020-11-22T22:07:02 < BrainDamage> 25 or so is the age when growth stops
2020-11-22T22:07:22 < BrainDamage> bones finished calcifying, etc
2020-11-22T22:07:25 < mawk> only one year to go then
2020-11-22T22:07:42 < BrainDamage> it's not hard set, just average age
2020-11-22T22:07:49 < BrainDamage> you could be alredy, or have more time
2020-11-22T22:08:58 < BrainDamage> you could try to get a full body rx and blood test to know :P
2020-11-22T22:12:15 < Steffanx> I get the idea for me it also started when i started to work. My eating patterns changed a lot when i started to work
2020-11-22T22:13:06 < Steffanx> Thats why i got myself a new bicycle, to get of my arse more. For now it seems to work.
2020-11-22T22:13:32 < jadew> if only I had somewhere to go...
2020-11-22T22:15:25 < jadew> I think they closed parks over there
2020-11-22T22:15:27 < jadew> *here
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2020-11-22T22:25:52 < Steffanx> Why you need to go to a park for that.
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2020-11-22T22:26:43 < jadew> found a music video a week or so ago, I think it's brilliant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3VTKvdAuIY
2020-11-22T22:27:27 < Steffanx> You muted it and just watched?
2020-11-22T22:27:50 < jadew> I actually liked the music too
2020-11-22T22:28:48 < jadew> but I was surprised by how much they managed to pack 4 minutes
2020-11-22T22:28:53 < jadew> *in
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2020-11-22T22:29:15 < Steffanx> i cannot watch this for 4 minutes
2020-11-22T22:29:33 < jadew> music not to your taste?
2020-11-22T22:30:19 < Steffanx> nope
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2020-11-22T22:58:27 < kakium69> jadew: you found summer hits 2018?
2020-11-22T23:08:02 < Steffanx> -1 year
2020-11-22T23:09:11 < Steffanx> Any movie recommendation for the week kakium69?
2020-11-22T23:09:31 < kakium69> hmm
2020-11-22T23:09:41 < Steffanx> I just read there will be a new predator movie
2020-11-22T23:10:00 < kakium69> john wick 2
2020-11-22T23:10:08 < Steffanx> Already done
2020-11-22T23:19:50 < Ultrastaffel> dune remake too
2020-11-22T23:20:30 < Ultrastaffel> i hope they do it good and not make paul atreides a tranny
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2020-11-22T23:41:56 < kakium69> macbook air for 770eur? y/n?
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2020-11-22T23:43:01 < kakium69> any mac users?
2020-11-22T23:44:37 < specing> buy a thinkpad
2020-11-22T23:45:40 < mawk> don't buy mac kakium69 
2020-11-22T23:45:56 < mawk> hw development is already hard enough on linux because of pro-windows conspiracy
2020-11-22T23:46:23 < Steffanx> jlink works fine on os x
2020-11-22T23:46:26 < Steffanx> *macos
2020-11-22T23:46:31 < mawk> don't ruin my narrative Steffanx 
2020-11-22T23:46:33 < mawk> go to bed
2020-11-22T23:46:39 < jadew> what do you mean mawk? opensource doesn't deliver commercial grade quality?
2020-11-22T23:46:54 < mawk> that's not the question jadew 
2020-11-22T23:47:01 < mawk> I could use proprietary tools too
2020-11-22T23:47:07 < mawk> they're just not available or have shitty linux support
2020-11-22T23:47:19 < jadew> who's fault is that?
2020-11-22T23:47:28 < mawk> well the software manufacturer's fault
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2020-11-22T23:47:49 < mawk> it's not like we don't have portable options for software nowadays
2020-11-22T23:47:55 < mawk> even if they use .NET, we have that on linux now
2020-11-22T23:47:57 < kakium69> Steffanx: tell me more
2020-11-22T23:48:09 < jadew> I disagree, it's the fault of the linux developers
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2020-11-22T23:48:29 < jadew> they change everything with complete disregard for backward compatibility every once in a while
2020-11-22T23:48:52 < jadew> commercial entities don't have tie for that kind of crap, especially when the user base is not a majority
2020-11-22T23:49:07 < jadew> that's why the nvidia drivers always sucked
2020-11-22T23:49:48 < jadew> also, as a developer/company, it's enough to try once and see the kind of environment that is and next time you develop software you'll be more likely to just ignore cross platform
2020-11-22T23:50:05 < jadew> because it might cost more and make the project more difficult, compared to the benefits it brings
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2020-11-22T23:51:04 < kakium69> well
2020-11-22T23:51:14 < kakium69> how about osx?
2020-11-22T23:52:38 < jadew> seems more stable, and as a result it has microsoft office and other similar stuff
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2020-11-22T23:53:10 < qyx> it has ms office because half of the usa is using apple junk
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2020-11-22T23:53:52 < jadew> that too, it's a cost/benefit analysis
2020-11-22T23:54:22 < jadew> other than zyp, I'm not aware of anyone doing real work on a mac
2020-11-22T23:54:24 < Steffanx> Macos always worked fine for me mr kakium69 
2020-11-22T23:54:44 < jadew> you too?
2020-11-22T23:54:53 < kakium69> sell it to me steff
2020-11-22T23:54:54 < Steffanx> But I haven't used it for years now
2020-11-22T23:55:00 < kakium69> what
2020-11-22T23:55:15 < kakium69> why?
2020-11-22T23:55:17 < Steffanx> I havent used macos for years.
2020-11-22T23:55:24 < jadew> my wife has had a mac since for ever, and there were always issues that shouldn't have been there
2020-11-22T23:55:37 < Steffanx> Because hackintosh and no support for my new videocard
2020-11-22T23:55:47 < Steffanx> So I dropped it
2020-11-22T23:56:27 < Steffanx> And my macbook pro is like 10 years old. Not the greatest screen etc. So meh
2020-11-22T23:58:05 < Steffanx> Jadew there is no os without "issues that shouldn't have been there"
2020-11-22T23:58:17 < Steffanx> Except for templeos;)
2020-11-22T23:59:20 < jadew> Steffanx, sure, but some of the stuff I encountered were just mind boggling
2020-11-22T23:59:38 < Steffanx> I dont recall that ever happening. 
2020-11-22T23:59:40 < jadew> on one mac os version she was never able to put a video in full screen
2020-11-22T23:59:59 < jadew> it would only expand down to the dock bar or however they're calling that thing
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2020-11-23T00:00:10 < jadew> and that crap was always visible
2020-11-23T00:00:10 < qyx> sounds like linux
2020-11-23T00:00:42 < jadew> then there was the updates, in order to update to the version that fixed that, which was two versions above
2020-11-23T00:01:02 < Steffanx> Never had such. Must be pebkacing:P
2020-11-23T00:01:19 < jadew> Steffanx, might have been - I looked into it too, and couldn't figure it out
2020-11-23T00:01:54 < jadew> ugh, got interrupted
2020-11-23T00:02:13 < jadew> right, so in order to update, she had to pay all the versions in between
2020-11-23T00:02:57 < kakium69> Steffanx: why didn't you buy a new one?
2020-11-23T00:03:01 < jadew> anyway, I guess my dislike of apple and their products is a mixture of dislike for the products themselves but also for their business practices
2020-11-23T00:03:24 < Steffanx> Lol because my hackintosh worked just fine and the real deal is €€€€
2020-11-23T00:06:24 < BrainDamage> the marketing apple does is borderline deceptive
2020-11-23T00:06:44 < BrainDamage> for instance, they compare with hard numbers only against their own products, never the competition
2020-11-23T00:07:08 < BrainDamage> so sure, the new device is faster and better, but you'll never know how much against the rest of the world
2020-11-23T00:07:50 < BrainDamage> while comparison to the competition is always through empirical or emotional methods
2020-11-23T00:07:55 < BrainDamage> "feels better", "looks better", etc
2020-11-23T00:12:30 < kakium69> well
2020-11-23T00:12:57 < Steffanx> Feelings are more important that real measurable factors BrainDamage ;)
2020-11-23T00:13:05 < kakium69> I went to store to see 1000e ultrabook
2020-11-23T00:13:09 < kakium69> ultrabooks
2020-11-23T00:13:13 < kakium69> *subnotebooks
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2020-11-23T00:13:54 < BrainDamage> feeling as important too ofc, but it's unfair that they selectively use one or the other depending who they are comparing withh
2020-11-23T00:14:23 < qyx> if the customer is not able to compare multiple brands, then who cares
2020-11-23T00:14:32 < kakium69> every single one had some issue with: keyboard, touchpad, palmrest, display or the chassis
2020-11-23T00:14:34 < qyx> if the customer is dumb, it is dumb
2020-11-23T00:14:41 < kakium69> but one
2020-11-23T00:14:44 < qyx> if you buy mac because you want and you compared, then ok
2020-11-23T00:16:07 < qyx> it is like those baltic sea sardines I ate yesterday
2020-11-23T00:16:27 < qyx> apparently there are no fucking sardines in the baltic sea
2020-11-23T00:17:06 < qyx> marketing is meh
2020-11-23T00:17:39 < kakium69> you confused me for a second there
2020-11-23T00:18:44 < qyx> https://static.countdown.co.nz/assets/product-images/zoom/4750010220214.jpg
2020-11-23T00:18:47 < Steffanx> Haha qyx
2020-11-23T00:18:56 < kakium69> you mean herrings?
2020-11-23T00:19:02 < qyx> I mean sardines
2020-11-23T00:19:12 < qyx> the call them sardines
2020-11-23T00:19:23 < qyx> but yes, they were herrings
2020-11-23T00:19:36 < Steffanx> Did you like em?
2020-11-23T00:19:56 < jadew> lol qyx 
2020-11-23T00:20:18 < kakium69> it says sprats
2020-11-23T00:20:19 < BrainDamage> too bad they weren't red
2020-11-23T00:20:23 < kakium69> in the can
2020-11-23T00:20:35 < qyx> not this particular can
2020-11-23T00:20:40 < qyx> some other one, lidl branded
2020-11-23T00:20:40 < kakium69> but sardines, sprats and herrings are apparently like cousins
2020-11-23T00:20:54 < jadew> does that can have a transparent lid?
2020-11-23T00:22:42 < karlp> juvenile herrings?!
2020-11-23T00:22:47  * karlp lols
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2020-11-23T00:23:57 < kakium69> paistetut muikut is the best latenight snack in local market squre
2020-11-23T00:24:04 < kakium69> square
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2020-11-23T00:25:01 < jadew> let's just hope the herrings don't evolve to become our equals
2020-11-23T00:25:20 < kakium69> plate full of pan fried floured little fishes
2020-11-23T00:26:20 < BrainDamage> I hate those
2020-11-23T00:26:38 < BrainDamage> I prefer big fishes, and eat the meat in
2020-11-23T00:26:46 < kakium69> they need to be fresh
2020-11-23T00:26:50 < BrainDamage> the skin feels ... weird
2020-11-23T00:26:57 < kakium69> like right from the lake to pan
2020-11-23T00:30:20 < kakium69> before it becomes rancid
2020-11-23T00:32:32 < kakium69> sardines are weird
2020-11-23T00:32:46 < kakium69> fish that tastes more like a fruit
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2020-11-23T00:40:29 < karlp> I find the bonys bits too gritty, haven't really eaten them since I was a kid.
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2020-11-23T01:09:44 < qyx> hm, those lemo connectors are really expensive
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2020-11-23T01:26:46 < karlp> bleh, .cz post must have shutdown again, I've had shit that's been "in country" for ~three weeks now, still hasn't arrived.
2020-11-23T01:27:01 < karlp> I'm saving money, but man, it stretches out delivery times
2020-11-23T01:28:22 < zyp> qyx, they look nice though
2020-11-23T01:29:00 < qyx> karlp: do you want to receive or send items?
2020-11-23T01:29:28 < qyx> zyp: I was looking into being compatible with leica 8pin LEMO stuff, but meh
2020-11-23T01:29:40 < qyx> I am not gonna pay 45 € for a single panel mount connector
2020-11-23T01:32:22 < karlp> receiving
2020-11-23T01:32:41 < karlp> I'm not trying to be a one man sales shop from iceland, fuck that insanity
2020-11-23T01:32:46 < karlp> this is just shopping for shits
2020-11-23T01:32:58 < karlp> and batching things to avoid high per delivery flat rate surchages.
2020-11-23T01:35:48 < qyx> as Steffanx said, it is safu in .cz now
2020-11-23T01:36:15 < karlp> shit's all fucked up?
2020-11-23T01:36:33 < qyx> yeah, much covid
2020-11-23T01:37:03 < karlp> oh, shit. 746.8 
2020-11-23T01:38:07 < karlp> we had our first day with all new cases already being in quarantine today
2020-11-23T01:38:11 < karlp> it's looking good here
2020-11-23T01:38:38 < karlp> I lvoe how .ch is like, "fuck your stats" https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea
2020-11-23T01:39:18 < qyx> 746 of what
2020-11-23T01:39:44 < BrainDamage> that's because they have a ton of cases
2020-11-23T01:39:54 < BrainDamage> and they don't want to look bad
2020-11-23T01:40:22 < karlp> qyx: from that page, 746 cases / 100k last 14 days.
2020-11-23T01:41:02 < karlp> BrainDamage: it's the "hands over ears, 'not europe, not europe, not europe'" dance right?
2020-11-23T01:42:09 < BrainDamage> yup, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up repealing the schengen treaty blaming it of the infection
2020-11-23T01:42:22 < BrainDamage> as if they are some sort of safe heaven
2020-11-23T01:43:22 < qyx> lol that page
2020-11-23T01:43:36 < qyx> a dark-red lane form poland to italy/germany
2020-11-23T01:44:16 < karlp> fucking hell. nextcloud photo preview lets me left-arrow/right-arrow back and forth in pictures, main picture preview works ok, seems to cache nicely, but the sidebar that i have to use to add captions or tag anything or whatever is just firing off requests left right and center that are all stacking up repeatedly
2020-11-23T01:44:35 < karlp> whole shit just goes to 100% cpu on the backend trying to refecth lat/long address lookups and shit
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2020-11-23T02:20:20 < qyx> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/CY1X6/Screenshot_2020-11-23_01-19-55.png
2020-11-23T02:20:29 < qyx> I am curious if doable on jlcpcb 4L
2020-11-23T02:20:36 < qyx> 0.5 mm pitch
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2020-11-23T11:26:02 < Spirit532> qyx, that in particular is very possible
2020-11-23T11:26:38 < Spirit532> it's 50% depopulated, you can break the outside out directly, and the inside you can simply place vias for
2020-11-23T11:34:24 < jpa-> qyx: looks doable, even with 5/5 mil rules; on jlcpcb 4 layer, you can go 4/4 mil also where necessary
2020-11-23T11:35:36 < jpa-> qyx: if you are placing the parts manually, it helps to put corner marks on the copper layer, makes it so much easier to align the BGA
2020-11-23T11:36:59 < zyp> I agree with the others, it's so depopulated it shouldn't be hard to get everything out
2020-11-23T11:39:00 < zyp> might wanna double check via diameter to ensure you can get both D_SEL and PIO14 out if you need both
2020-11-23T11:39:15 < zyp> but I guess it should be fine
2020-11-23T11:40:27 < jpa-> 0.45mm diameter on 4-layer boards, so one could even fit vias between 0.5mm pitch balls
2020-11-23T11:40:40 < jpa-> (barely)
2020-11-23T11:42:49 < Spirit532> someone recently told me that it's a good idea to put vias half-in-pad
2020-11-23T11:42:59 < Spirit532> which makes sense, copper is still copper but you avoid the sucky effect
2020-11-23T11:47:40 < mawk> lol qyx why do they give woman names to their chips
2020-11-23T11:47:46 < mawk> SARA, ZOE
2020-11-23T11:48:58 < Steffanx> You should ask ublox, not qyx
2020-11-23T11:49:06 < mawk> he's the ublox expert
2020-11-23T11:50:29 < Steffanx> hm
2020-11-23T12:06:45 < qyx> I have never used one
2020-11-23T12:07:04 < qyx> I use quacktel
2020-11-23T12:07:49 < Steffanx> No ublox gps?
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2020-11-23T15:10:57 < buttermelted> hi all, i installed stm32cubeide on archlinux, when i want to create a new project the target selector doesnt show anyhting
2020-11-23T15:11:16 < buttermelted> is there something left to do?
2020-11-23T15:11:43 < mawk> show screen
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2020-11-23T15:12:44 < buttermelted> i got it
2020-11-23T15:13:01 < buttermelted> "/usr/bin/env GDK_BACKEND=x11 /pfad_zu/stm32cubeide/stm32cubeide
2020-11-23T15:13:09 < buttermelted> shit like that is really frustrating
2020-11-23T15:14:20 < mawk> why would you put the ide in /pfad_zu/
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2020-11-23T15:26:29 < qyx> curious too
2020-11-23T15:26:42 < qyx> Steffanx: not a single one
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2020-11-23T16:39:25 < jadew> are Thais cloners?
2020-11-23T16:40:10 < jpa-> all humans are cloners
2020-11-23T16:40:34 < jadew> yeah, but there are cloners and then there are cloners like the chinese
2020-11-23T16:41:39 < jadew> should I ship to Thailand?
2020-11-23T16:42:36 < jpa-> you seriously think you could reduce cloning by not shipping products? :D
2020-11-23T16:42:42 < jadew> yeah :D
2020-11-23T16:43:04 < jadew> my site doesn't even load for chinese visitors
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2020-11-23T16:50:40 < mawk> you're raciss jadew 
2020-11-23T16:52:10 < jadew> I ship to Japan and Korea tho, and they all look the same
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2020-11-23T17:43:10 < Steffanx> Do ST dfu tools (to work with the rom usb dfu bootloader) even work on windows 10 without hassle (with drivers and stuff?)
2020-11-23T17:44:04 < jpa-> at least a custom program using the ST DFU dll worked fine
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2020-11-23T18:04:12 < Steffanx> The cube programmer seems to work out of the box
2020-11-23T18:05:30 < Steffanx> it seems to use WinUSB, but im not sure if i ever used zadig crap on this device or if it uses some WCID
2020-11-23T18:11:32 < Thorn> what minimum RBW do I need in a spectrum analyzer? is 300Hz not good enough?
2020-11-23T18:11:47 < jpa-> stm32 dfu should get drivers from windows update automatically
2020-11-23T18:13:51 < jadew> Thorn, depends what you want to do with it, but 300 Hz is good enough for most things
2020-11-23T18:14:09 < jadew> in fact, I can't even remember when I needed less than that
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2020-11-23T18:17:30 < Thorn> jadew many SAs seem to have 10Hz or even 1Hz, what is the purpose of such narrow RBW
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2020-11-23T18:18:04 < jadew> Thorn, well, if you want to characterize a 300 Hz filter, you'll need a lower RBW :)
2020-11-23T18:18:11 < Thorn> i.e. if I want to estimate phase noise of my LO what kind of RBW do I require
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2020-11-23T18:19:21 < jadew> 1 kHz would probably be enough
2020-11-23T18:19:44 < jadew> depends how close to the fundamental you want to characterize it
2020-11-23T18:20:09 < Steffanx> That could also be the case jpa- 
2020-11-23T18:21:59 < jadew> Thorn, if you want to specify it at less than 300 Hz, it's obviously not going to be possible
2020-11-23T18:23:12 < Thorn> I mean I'm not designing a lab RF generator to compete with agilent but I do want to produce a 433/868 and 2.4GHz radio with good performance
2020-11-23T18:25:01 < jadew> if you looks at VCO datasheets, you'll see they specify it starting with 10 kHz
2020-11-23T18:25:14 < jadew> so 300 Hz is more than enough
2020-11-23T18:26:50 < jadew> my SA has it specified at 100 Hz, but my ESG signal generator seems to only specify it at 20 kHz
2020-11-23T18:30:06 < Thorn> okay thanks
2020-11-23T18:32:55 < jadew> np
2020-11-23T18:33:04 < jadew> what model are your considering?
2020-11-23T18:36:32 < kakium69> hello evening
2020-11-23T18:36:44 < kakium69> karlp: and you still have your childhood diet?
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2020-11-23T18:51:19 < englishman> >assembled protos arrived
2020-11-23T18:51:29 < englishman> >let the intern order it, so all NM components are stuffed
2020-11-23T18:51:35 < englishman> >70 parts per board to remove by hand
2020-11-23T18:55:29 < PaulFertser> Easy, let the intern do the job
2020-11-23T18:55:58 < englishman> he's in isolation
2020-11-23T18:57:52 < kakium69> NM?
2020-11-23T18:58:22 < karlp> not-mounted
2020-11-23T19:01:18 < Steffanx> Haha, lol englishman . That sounds so familiar.
2020-11-23T19:01:34 < Steffanx> Except it wasnt the intern
2020-11-23T19:02:26 < Steffanx> It was someone generating a BOM without looking at the variants
2020-11-23T19:02:37 < Thorn> jadew I went through r&s cmu200, anritsu ms8604a, now looking at advantest R3465
2020-11-23T19:03:58 < Thorn> http://www.testequipmenthq.com/datasheets/ADVANTEST-R3465-Datasheet.pdf
2020-11-23T19:08:51 < kakium69> I still didn't undestand the anatomy of the incident Steffanx, englishman
2020-11-23T19:09:33 < kakium69> NM components are stuffed?
2020-11-23T19:12:04 < Steffanx> Yeah
2020-11-23T19:12:13 < Steffanx> Do not place.
2020-11-23T19:12:25 < englishman> i hate altium variants
2020-11-23T19:12:37 < kakium69> stuffed = placed?
2020-11-23T19:12:44 < englishman> why the shit doesnt the X appear unless you click that stupid tiny tab and go into some useless mode where you cant do anything
2020-11-23T19:12:48 < englishman> yes kaki
2020-11-23T19:12:52 < Steffanx> Whats the alternative.
2020-11-23T19:13:11 < englishman> i put a parameter NM with a big red X over the component
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2020-11-23T19:13:34 < kakium69> intern didn't practice any caution
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2020-11-23T19:13:56 < kakium69> is placed called stuffed in altidumb?
2020-11-23T19:14:55 < englishman> it's fun to say
2020-11-23T19:14:58 < kakium69> is it mainly time that is wasted or was there some expensive NM parts too?
2020-11-23T19:15:09 < englishman> esd diodes and such
2020-11-23T19:15:10 < kakium69> or just some passives?
2020-11-23T19:15:14 < englishman> mostly passives
2020-11-23T19:15:15 < englishman> some fuses
2020-11-23T19:19:43 < karlp> just need some side clippers then? smash them all off...
2020-11-23T19:21:07 < Thorn> englishman why NM, isn't DNP or DNI industry standard
2020-11-23T19:22:39 < englishman> well the assembly place never sees it because they are removed on Bom export
2020-11-23T19:23:12 < englishman> nm is common here maybe due to language
2020-11-23T19:23:29 < Steffanx> its french?
2020-11-23T19:23:43 < englishman> non-monté
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2020-11-23T19:37:44 < jpa-> does anyone have a part number for an ideal opamp? this ADA4932 has annoying specs like input bias current and limited open loop gain that make me have to think :/
2020-11-23T19:38:31 < englishman> isn't that like having the perfect toppings on a pizza
2020-11-23T19:38:35 < englishman> for a group of 10
2020-11-23T19:41:26 < jpa-> sharing a pizza between group of 10 sounds like covid violation
2020-11-23T19:41:39 < Steffanx> Not when it happens in a finnish sauna
2020-11-23T19:41:51 < Steffanx> What happens in a finnish sauna stays in a finnish sauna
2020-11-23T19:42:52 < jpa-> eating pizza in sauna doesn't happen
2020-11-23T19:43:28 < Steffanx> lies
2020-11-23T19:43:38 < englishman> in the sauna with stroop dogg
2020-11-23T19:44:40 < englishman> do you think flights on the 737MAX will be discounted?
2020-11-23T19:49:43 < jadew> Thorn, that's a good one
2020-11-23T19:49:58 < jadew> it was one of the options I was considering when I got my first SA
2020-11-23T19:50:27 < jadew> price used to be much better than for HP ones
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2020-11-23T19:56:46 < qyx> why englishman wants 70 components to be NM
2020-11-23T19:57:49 < mawk> to trap the intern
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2020-11-23T20:18:15 < englishman> out of about 1k components
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2020-11-23T20:51:48 < Mangy_Dog> https://youtu.be/1R4zr8N35zg  Well part 1 is finally out... The nasty meat of the issues ive faced will be featured in part 2...
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2020-11-23T21:07:18 < fenugrec> neat : just received chinatrash , ordered 2 weeks ago; newark order placed at the same time is still "processing"
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2020-11-23T21:57:57 < qyx> so if I want to have a low power device using L4 or L4+
2020-11-23T21:58:10 < qyx> which doesn't have any USB HS
2020-11-23T21:58:27 < qyx> and it uses a microsd card as a log storage
2020-11-23T21:59:14 < qyx> how to make data readout possible without opening the enclosure?
2020-11-23T21:59:38 < qyx> I have an idea with a sdio mux + usb mux
2020-11-23T22:00:12 < qyx> very similar to what old featurephones did when you connected USB and selected mass storage
2020-11-23T22:02:40 < kakium69> you saying you want usb without usb?
2020-11-23T22:06:25 < qyx> I want faster USB than FS which L4 has
2020-11-23T22:11:21 < englishman> ethernet?
2020-11-23T22:11:56 < Steffanx> A removable SD card :P
2020-11-23T22:12:00 < englishman> wifi?
2020-11-23T22:12:09 < englishman> olympus XD memory card?
2020-11-23T22:12:13 < englishman> pcmcia slot?
2020-11-23T22:12:22 < englishman> parallel port?
2020-11-23T22:12:31 < Steffanx> lifi would be nice
2020-11-23T22:12:38 < englishman> ir led modulation?
2020-11-23T22:13:04 < englishman> a series of QR codes displayed on a screen?
2020-11-23T22:13:08 < qyx> you are not being helpful
2020-11-23T22:13:32 < Steffanx> You have impossible requirements
2020-11-23T22:13:40 < englishman> 480 RS232 ports?
2020-11-23T22:14:15 < englishman> TOSLINK?
2020-11-23T22:14:53 < Steffanx> no lora?
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2020-11-23T22:18:36 < Steffanx> but your solution would work i guess qyx
2020-11-23T22:18:57 < qyx> fuk lora
2020-11-23T22:19:04 < englishman> lmao
2020-11-23T22:19:41 < qyx> actually I have lora there to send alarms and rough data
2020-11-23T22:19:50 < qyx> I want to log actual raw data, which is about 30G per year
2020-11-23T22:20:35 < Steffanx> SD/SDIO multiplexers seems cheap enough
2020-11-23T22:20:38 < qyx> and I need moar sram to compute gigantic FFTs, so probably L4+
2020-11-23T22:20:56 < qyx> during normal use there is no need for USB HS
2020-11-23T22:21:12 < qyx> I want to have a USB CDC ACM console on USB FS
2020-11-23T22:21:27 < qyx> and when the thing receives a command, it unmounts the microsd
2020-11-23T22:21:34 < englishman> why not compute in the cloud
2020-11-23T22:21:34 < qyx> and switches it to a usb-sdio bridge
2020-11-23T22:21:49 < qyx> Steffanx: yeah thats what I found out too
2020-11-23T22:22:18 < englishman> dont you just have to multiplex the cs line
2020-11-23T22:22:38 < qyx> isnt it push pull
2020-11-23T22:28:53 < qyx> mhm, usb3 to emmc bridge
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2020-11-23T22:34:46 < englishman> a slave stm32 with usb
2020-11-23T22:34:53 < englishman> or slave stm32 with sdio
2020-11-23T22:35:23 < englishman> oh, the mux was to have a second sd card, external
2020-11-23T22:35:34 < englishman> not to have two ways to access the same sd card
2020-11-23T22:36:16 < englishman> i wonder what the bandwidth is of an economy car full of binders with qr codes printed on them
2020-11-23T22:36:53 < englishman> bandwidth including demodulation ofc
2020-11-23T22:38:02 < qyx> no, I want single uSD/eMMC accessed by both L4 and a fast usb-mmc bridge
2020-11-23T22:38:16 < qyx> Average sustained transfer rates exceeding 35 MB/s are
2020-11-23T22:38:17 < qyx> possible if the media and host can support those rates.
2020-11-23T22:38:32 < qyx> I wonder if a F7 can do such speed
2020-11-23T22:39:50 < Steffanx> ofcourse
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2020-11-23T23:06:07 < qyx> hm F7 has ~500uA/MHz
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2020-11-23T23:06:53 < Laurenceb> Bogdanov
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2020-11-23T23:11:11 < karlp> where's the f7 goign to go?
2020-11-23T23:11:37 < qyx> a bat powered device :S
2020-11-23T23:11:51 < karlp> you're going to put it inside? and tuned on by vbus from your external hs?
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2020-11-23T23:12:43 < qyx> it is an ordinary measuremnt device in waterproof enclosure
2020-11-23T23:13:04 < qyx> the idea is the operator will download full-year raw data when they replace the battzeries
2020-11-23T23:13:37 < qyx> option is to replace the card, but I want to use industrial emmc
2020-11-23T23:17:56 < Laurenceb> tesla spotted
2020-11-23T23:23:51 < aandrew> https://i.imgur.com/n0jv775.png
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2020-11-24T11:39:24 < karlp> yes. yes it is.
2020-11-24T11:42:47 < jpa-> just invent the specs and put "preliminary" on the datasheet
2020-11-24T11:43:51 < zyp> :D
2020-11-24T11:49:45 < qyx> mark the hard fields tbd
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2020-11-24T13:36:43 < karlp> hrm, would this imply that you _only_ have those two interfaces? cdcacm+"jtag" ?https://bin.jvnv.net/file/Mt0bc.png
2020-11-24T13:36:54 < karlp> it doesn't really sound like a generic usb device peripheral
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2020-11-24T13:48:39 < mawk> I'd say cdc-acm and jtag are just two convenience interfaces but that would be weird
2020-11-24T13:48:46 < mawk> there's no need to do that in hardware
2020-11-24T13:52:11 < karlp> it sounds like it h as special support for rebooting the chip into debug mode over usb, without resetting the usb port though..
2020-11-24T13:52:49 < karlp> part has 6 adc channels.
2020-11-24T13:53:08 < karlp> two of them ar eon the rtc clock pins, 
2020-11-24T13:56:01 < jpa-> to me it sounds like they have just put some kind of usb-to-serial IP core on there, instead of usb peripheral
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2020-11-24T14:02:39 < karlp> jpa-: that's what I was thinking.
2020-11-24T14:09:13 < mawk> what about the endpoints then?
2020-11-24T14:09:37  * karlp shrugs that's why I askked, doesn't make much sense anyway I read it.
2020-11-24T14:10:02 < mawk> it's the usual chinese -> english -> chinese -> english translation process
2020-11-24T14:32:45 < karlp> man, I love fixing bugs/adding features by purely deleting code...
2020-11-24T14:48:17 < Steffanx> Yw, i love feeling adding useless code.
2020-11-24T14:48:23 < Steffanx> *-feeling
2020-11-24T14:48:28 < Steffanx> not sure why i added that
2020-11-24T14:49:15 < karlp> my modbus relay code is now happily doing tcp->tcp->tcp->tcp->rtu, because... why not?
2020-11-24T14:49:24 < qyx> it is like writing school papers
2020-11-24T14:50:03 < qyx> 4 pages of overhead, 15 pages of ballast and a single page of achieved results
2020-11-24T14:55:56 < karlp> esp32-c3 winning vs armv7m, 52bit systick timer!
2020-11-24T15:27:46 < zyp> nice
2020-11-24T15:48:07 < englishman> cool
2020-11-24T15:48:16 < englishman> rip tensilica
2020-11-24T15:49:21 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/WWrk8.png
2020-11-24T15:49:35 < englishman> lmao
2020-11-24T15:51:11 < zyp> are PoE sources required to be galvanically isolated, or only sinks?
2020-11-24T15:54:54 < zyp> «The 802.3af standard includes additional requirements for isolation between Ethernet ports on devices with multiple ports. These requirements are illustrated with PSE examples but are equally applicable to PDs.»
2020-11-24T15:56:09 < zyp> «Environment B PSEs have electrical isolation between all of their PoE ports; each pin in every RJ-45 jack must be electrically isolated from the PSE's chassis and the pins in all the other RJ-45 jacks on the PSE.»
2020-11-24T15:56:40 < zyp> «Environment A isolation addresses devices connected to Ethernet cables that do not cross over ac power distribution boundaries or leave a single building. All the ac outlets in the area served by the PSE are wired to the same earth ground so the PSE does not need to isolate its ports from each other. It can use one isolated 48-V supply to power all the ports.»
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2020-11-24T16:02:33 < karlp> so, "maybe" ?
2020-11-24T16:02:50 < karlp> or "you won't know if your pðorts are isolated until things go boom"# ?
2020-11-24T16:06:23 < karlp> hrm, kettle draws 9.5A on the 10A breaker, that's a lot closer to limits than I expected
2020-11-24T16:17:07 < zyp> apparently
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2020-11-24T16:18:39 < zyp> I was throwing around some ideas about the «network in a box» I want
2020-11-24T16:19:26 < zyp> got some 8devices spam, I figure I could grab one of their modules and hook up all the IO I want
2020-11-24T16:21:09 < qyx> I have the whole kitchen on a 6A breaker :X
2020-11-24T16:21:11 < qyx> not finished yet
2020-11-24T16:21:38 < zyp> I've never even seen a 6A breaker in a house
2020-11-24T16:22:21 < qyx> I have 16A main breaker :P
2020-11-24T16:22:38 < qyx> it is great, I can wire the whole box with a 2.5mm^2 wires
2020-11-24T16:22:43 < qyx> -a
2020-11-24T16:22:56 < zyp> here, old houses are a mix of 10A and 16A (1.5mm2 vs 2.5mm2), new houses are done with all 2.5mm2
2020-11-24T16:23:11 < zyp> and new rules derates 2.5mm2 in insulated walls to 15A
2020-11-24T16:23:28 < qyx> old houses here use 4mm2 alu for 16A, 2.5mm2 alu for 10A
2020-11-24T16:23:32 < zyp> so it's all 15A here, except the cooktop
2020-11-24T16:23:43 < zyp> huh
2020-11-24T16:24:06 < zyp> I don't think I've ever seen alu wiring after the main breaker either
2020-11-24T16:24:36 < qyx> alu ended together with communists
2020-11-24T16:24:40 < qyx> somewhere around that point
2020-11-24T16:24:54 < qyx> *somewhen
2020-11-24T16:25:10 < zyp> it's common to use alu for the main supply though, IIRC I've got 4G25 alu to the meter box
2020-11-24T16:25:23 < englishman> I just put some alu wire in a trench to the garage, was 1/4 the cost of copper, 100a panel
2020-11-24T16:25:41 < zyp> and then the TN-C-S split is also there, and 5G10 cu to the main panel
2020-11-24T16:25:54 < qyx> yeah alu is used by the distrib company
2020-11-24T16:28:34 < karlp> no idea what current code is, but i have 10, 16 and 25 A breakers under a 40A incomer
2020-11-24T16:29:16 < zyp> sounds similar to here
2020-11-24T16:29:36 < karlp> one of those 25A goes to a subpanel put in at some stage, 
2020-11-24T16:30:12 < karlp> I think that has the oven and cooktop, but it doesn't have the fridge or the ktichen outlets, despite labels claiming it does.
2020-11-24T16:30:21 < karlp> I must have plugged the fridge into the "wrong" outlet.
2020-11-24T16:30:22 < zyp> heh
2020-11-24T16:31:02 < zyp> englishman, that's 100A 220V?
2020-11-24T16:31:18 < englishman> yes, 3+1 for split phase and PE
2020-11-24T16:32:14 < englishman> 1 gauge alu i believe
2020-11-24T16:33:15 < zyp> I'm always a bit surprised by the amperages used in american systems, it's a lot of power even considering the voltages involved
2020-11-24T16:34:09 < qyx> 100A 220V is no that much
2020-11-24T16:34:10 < zyp> well, 100A 220V is 22kW, pretty much same as 400V 32A 3ph
2020-11-24T16:34:18 < qyx> I was about to say
2020-11-24T16:34:46 < qyx> we were doing 400V 63A at parents house this weekend
2020-11-24T16:35:05 < englishman> two cars at 32A
2020-11-24T16:35:10 < englishman> plus lights
2020-11-24T16:35:13 < englishman> so i put a 100A circuit
2020-11-24T16:35:50 < englishman> actually the tesla is 36A
2020-11-24T16:36:08 < karlp> hang on, thorn's meant to say "moneyed westerners" here right?
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2020-11-24T16:36:18 < englishman> moneyed westerner would be a 80A tesla
2020-11-24T16:36:22 < englishman> i just have the little one
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2020-11-24T16:36:36 < karlp> ok, my bad, carry on peasant then or something...
2020-11-24T16:36:40 < englishman> will do
2020-11-24T16:37:24 < zyp> I'm almost a bit tempted to run 3x32A when I install a better car charger
2020-11-24T16:37:47 < zyp> because this modern shit can hook up to the meter and adjust according to how much power is available
2020-11-24T16:38:23 < englishman> if we upgrade the house panel it will be 400A
2020-11-24T16:38:35 < zyp> yeah, that's what I mean by a lot
2020-11-24T16:38:38 < englishman> electric furnace is 120A
2020-11-24T16:39:05 < englishman> hot tub 60A
2020-11-24T16:39:11 < englishman> adds up quick
2020-11-24T16:39:35 < englishman> grow lights... 3 deep freezes and 3 fridges... stove... greenhouse
2020-11-24T16:39:55 < zyp> that's 88kW, my mains is a bit under 28kW
2020-11-24T16:40:35 < englishman> better make sure we have those class 6 ite power supplies to reduce power consumption
2020-11-24T16:41:01 < zyp> the norm here tends to be 3x40A 400V or 3x63A 230V, and norway is pretty much electrical everything, no gas or whatever
2020-11-24T16:43:46 < qyx> I like those electrical comparison discussions
2020-11-24T16:44:17 < zyp> me too, that's why I participate :)
2020-11-24T16:46:38 < karlp> yeah, i've got 40A*230 single phase incomer in this house...
2020-11-24T16:46:47 < karlp> feels rather small..
2020-11-24T16:47:14 < karlp> never tripped it yet though, so, guess it's nto really :)
2020-11-24T16:47:21 < karlp> or maybe, just needs more christmas lights!
2020-11-24T16:47:27 < zyp> but you have geothermal as well, right?
2020-11-24T16:47:44 < karlp> well yeah, I don't need to use that ~10kW for house heating or hot water, no.
2020-11-24T16:48:26 < qyx> offtopic, I just bought a stlink v3 mini
2020-11-24T16:48:30 < karlp> it's just lights, cooking, washing machine, computers and tv, fridge/freezer
2020-11-24T16:54:16 < englishman> micro usb (╬▔皿▔)╯
2020-11-24T16:55:05 < englishman> nice touch having the twin towers on the back tho
2020-11-24T16:55:28 < zyp> I'm apparently averaging around 2-3kW total, so having a mains capacity 10x that is probably still pretty plenty
2020-11-24T16:56:57 < Streaker> why does that stlink mini have sideplated pads? do they expect you to solder it to your product permanently?
2020-11-24T16:56:59 < karlp> huh, we're only about 4-500 W during the day.
2020-11-24T16:57:14 < karlp> Streaker: they actually suggest building your own test apps with it yes.
2020-11-24T16:57:25 < karlp> presumably for production/test usage, not "products"
2020-11-24T16:58:03 < qyx> Streaker: there is MINI and MODS version
2020-11-24T16:58:26 < qyx> MODS doesn't have the 14pin header populated
2020-11-24T16:58:42 < qyx> so it can be soldered down insteda
2020-11-24T17:00:58 < karlp> they also explain how you're meant to be able to sandwchich your own pcb in with it and shit
2020-11-24T17:01:47 < zyp> karlp, including heating? :)
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2020-11-24T17:03:05 < bitmask> w00t used heated jacket for the first time today, it was wonderful
2020-11-24T17:03:20 < Steffanx> and what temperature is it there?
2020-11-24T17:09:08 < Streaker> if you buy direct from ST, do they offer free shipping?
2020-11-24T17:09:43 < Streaker> I can't tell if their shipping calculator is broken or they're offering free shippi
2020-11-24T17:10:12 < karlp> zyp: well, sure, but I don't get that measured in W, I just get m3 every x months...
2020-11-24T17:10:29 < karlp> are you using 1500W heating?
2020-11-24T17:11:22 < zyp> idk, I haven't bought your meters yet :)
2020-11-24T17:11:51 < zyp> but I mean, apart from car charging pretty much all the energy gets dissipated as heat in the house anyway
2020-11-24T17:11:51 < qyx> hm, mass storage flashing works
2020-11-24T17:12:21 < qyx> and it is really fast
2020-11-24T17:12:43 < zyp> I've got some computers running 24/7 and during winter they certainly contribute to keeping the house warm
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2020-11-24T17:14:32 < Steffanx> What are you using for that qyx? 
2020-11-24T17:15:10 < qyx> the mentioned stlink v3 mini
2020-11-24T17:17:41 < englishman> i have a circuit that constantly uses 300-500W and i have no idea what it is. i think the security cameras and maybe a hard drive?
2020-11-24T17:18:08 < englishman> it's the oldest circuit in the house, when electricity was added at least 100 years ago. paper and cloth insulation
2020-11-24T17:19:15 < qyx> maybe it doesn't insulate enough anymore
2020-11-24T17:19:56 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/CKWdJZC.png
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2020-11-24T17:20:23 < englishman> probably
2020-11-24T17:20:33 < englishman> those big spikes are probably mice getting electrocuted
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2020-11-24T17:28:38 < bitmask> Steffanx it was 7C
2020-11-24T17:31:12 < jadew> are you guys aware of a battery powered lab psu?
2020-11-24T17:32:04 < karlp> doign audiophoolery for getting rid of that 49.8hz hum?
2020-11-24T17:32:08 < Ultrastaffel> i use a CPAP battery to power AC shit
2020-11-24T17:32:37 < Ultrastaffel> it would in theory power a lab psu
2020-11-24T17:32:48 < jadew> karlp, no, I just want to power stuff on the balcony
2020-11-24T17:33:15 < jadew> Ultrastaffel, something compact would be nice
2020-11-24T17:33:34 < jadew> eevblog had a nice project on this, but he gave up on it
2020-11-24T17:35:27 < Ultrastaffel> https://i.imgur.com/kmjTf1U.jpg
2020-11-24T17:35:51 < jadew> oh, that looks nice
2020-11-24T17:36:12 < Ultrastaffel> this thing handles a 300W inverter plugged into the 12v lighter socket on it
2020-11-24T17:36:21 < Ultrastaffel> no inductive loads obviously
2020-11-24T17:36:31 < Ultrastaffel> it will also charge my laptop 2.5x
2020-11-24T17:36:49 < qyx> jadew: an extension cord maybe?
2020-11-24T17:36:56 < aandrew> Ultrastaffel: nice. I've got a maxoak battery bank (won't do 12V charger output and isn't waterproof but is really decent)
2020-11-24T17:36:59 < aandrew> bought two actually
2020-11-24T17:37:52 < jadew> qyx, yeah, I guess that's what I'll have to do eventually
2020-11-24T17:40:06 < Ultrastaffel> if you're wondering why shit's so dirty, my office is currently in a landscaping pole barn
2020-11-24T17:40:25 < jadew> I didn't even notice
2020-11-24T17:41:57 < englishman> arent landscaping poles just regular poles
2020-11-24T17:46:40 < aandrew> Ultrastaffel: yeah I didn't notice the mess either 
2020-11-24T17:46:43 < aandrew> guess we're all pigs
2020-11-24T17:50:30 < jadew> just finished this: https://cojotech.com/media/datasheets/LLNA-433-10%20-%20Datasheet.pdf
2020-11-24T17:51:04 < aandrew> nice NF jadew, nice
2020-11-24T17:51:15 < bitmask> pro
2020-11-24T17:51:17 < bitmask> good job
2020-11-24T17:51:17 < aandrew> what was the biggest design decision that made the impact there?
2020-11-24T17:51:52 < jadew> had to sacrifice input RL
2020-11-24T17:52:26 < jadew> but that's usually the case with LNAs anyway
2020-11-24T17:52:30 < karlp> who's using 433 that needs this? you'
2020-11-24T17:52:37 < karlp> re making expensive shit for people with rtl-sdrs?
2020-11-24T17:52:39 < aandrew> really, just a poor match, or ?
2020-11-24T17:52:49 < jadew> aandrew, it's not that poor
2020-11-24T17:52:58 < aandrew> no I mean with Rl 
2020-11-24T17:53:01 < jadew> ~2 SWR
2020-11-24T17:53:05 < Steffanx> I like your optimism, karlp
2020-11-24T17:53:18 < aandrew> takes a considerable input signal too, nice
2020-11-24T17:53:40 < jadew> karlp, I don't know, I expect lots of people have 433 MHz devices they need to listen to
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2020-11-24T17:54:15 < Steffanx> Dont you have to add a nice diagram of your measuring method jadew?
2020-11-24T17:54:27 < aandrew> I have a tiny, open frame 433MHz amp taking the dipole on my roof into a cheap RTLSDR
2020-11-24T17:54:35 < aandrew> I should put an FM trap on it though
2020-11-24T17:54:50 < jadew> Steffanx, which measurement?
2020-11-24T17:55:01 < Steffanx> performance.
2020-11-24T17:55:04 < jadew> :)
2020-11-24T17:55:48 < Steffanx> cant even visit http://www.cojotech.com/ :(
2020-11-24T17:55:53 < jadew> how come?
2020-11-24T17:55:57 < Steffanx> Forbidden
2020-11-24T17:56:12 < jadew> damn
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2020-11-24T17:56:20 < jadew> thanks
2020-11-24T17:56:38 < jadew> must have happened after my server's hdd died
2020-11-24T17:57:04 < jadew> that thing should redirect to non-www
2020-11-24T17:58:28 < jadew> fixed
2020-11-24T17:58:38 < Steffanx> seems like it
2020-11-24T18:03:58 < BrainDamage> it still amazes me your business name is testicletech
2020-11-24T18:04:05 < jadew> haha
2020-11-24T18:04:32 < Steffanx> in what language cojo is testicle?
2020-11-24T18:04:40 < jadew> when I asked for feedback, I had someone reply to me that he's very happy with the cohotech products :P
2020-11-24T18:05:37 < Steffanx> Spanish would be crippledtech.
2020-11-24T18:06:19 < jadew> Steffanx, cohones means testicles tho
2020-11-24T18:06:20 < BrainDamage> nope, cojones works in spanish too
2020-11-24T18:06:34 < BrainDamage> and coglioni in italian
2020-11-24T18:06:36 < Steffanx> oh cojones
2020-11-24T18:06:52 < BrainDamage> and cohones in other latin based languages
2020-11-24T18:06:55 < Steffanx> Not sure if crippled is better though
2020-11-24T18:07:11 < jadew> well, as long as it makes them think about balls, I think it's a win
2020-11-24T18:07:13 < BrainDamage> I mean, it fits the channel theme
2020-11-24T18:07:18 < jadew> something to be remembered by
2020-11-24T18:10:15 < jadew> food time, ttyl
2020-11-24T18:10:22 < Steffanx> Youre early today
2020-11-24T18:11:22 < jadew> I took a break from working out, I would normally do that now and eat later
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2020-11-24T18:22:22 < kakium69> hello evenings crew
2020-11-24T18:27:43 < kakium69> https://youtu.be/u2WXVpp2Fnc?t=366 detroit house
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2020-11-24T19:02:56 < Steffanx> How can it be colder for you than its here bitmask . Local cooling?
2020-11-24T19:24:08 < bitmask> dunnos
2020-11-24T19:26:19 < bitmask> psoriasis sucks
2020-11-24T19:27:04 < bitmask> my body hates itself
2020-11-24T19:27:38 < fenugrec> "detroit house", I was expecting something like https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/12/18/PDTN/31f0a0ba-5c6a-4fa4-a8d2-d47e1f118ad3-demo_house.jpg
2020-11-24T19:28:16 < fenugrec> anyone have experience with littlefs / spiffs ? 
2020-11-24T19:28:31 < bitmask> ive done very little with spiffs
2020-11-24T19:28:42 < bitmask> and what I did do was in arduino ide
2020-11-24T19:28:47 < bitmask> "ide"
2020-11-24T19:29:15 < qyx> when you get the expertise on spiffs, I will listen
2020-11-24T19:38:57 < fenugrec> qyx, what are you using / considering
2020-11-24T19:43:49 < qyx> I did something similar in the past, it was super simple and hence super slow
2020-11-24T19:44:12 < qyx> I didn't need any fs for NOR since then
2020-11-24T19:44:24 < qyx> but I concluded spiffs would be much better alternative
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2020-11-24T20:12:50 < fenugrec> they both look promising, but littlefs seems to be a bit less mature perhaps
2020-11-24T20:15:46 < karlp> spiffs is the one built into the esp-idf iirc?
2020-11-24T20:15:54 < karlp> but there's forks...
2020-11-24T20:16:06 < karlp> (I've used none of them, but will . to follow along...)
2020-11-24T20:16:28 < karlp> kakium69: thanks for the house...
2020-11-24T20:25:25 < kakium69> does it take you back to times?
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2020-11-24T20:32:32  * antto mixes some potassium17 with some kakium69, and adds a drop of hydrogen8..
2020-11-24T20:32:34  * antto runs
2020-11-24T20:34:26 < machinehum> github changed their default branch name from "master" to "main"
2020-11-24T20:34:27 < kakium69> ah kakibomb
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2020-11-24T20:59:05 < kakium69> life will never be the same
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2020-11-24T21:13:31 < specing> machinehum: does that also apply to old repos?
2020-11-24T21:13:34 < specing> I mean
2020-11-24T21:13:38 < machinehum> no
2020-11-24T21:13:38 < specing> what changes, really
2020-11-24T21:13:50 < specing> only for branches created from the UI?
2020-11-24T21:13:53 < machinehum> msft being woke and changing the world
2020-11-24T21:15:45 < kakium69> woke(tm)
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2020-11-24T21:57:01 < englishman> hmm this msp430 is using 98mW in sleep mode
2020-11-24T21:57:14 < englishman> low power? yes please
2020-11-24T22:10:36 < mawk> lol
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2020-11-24T22:12:21 < mawk> machinehum: git push origin main:master; git push origin :master
2020-11-24T22:12:23 < mawk> :(
2020-11-24T22:12:43 < mawk> master:main rather
2020-11-24T22:16:35 < englishman> dont worry it will be banned soon
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2020-11-24T22:28:29 < kakium69>  hello lurencer
2020-11-24T22:36:22 < Steffanx> music kakium69? No house please.
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2020-11-24T22:37:41 < kakium69> :O  steff demanding musics
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2020-11-24T22:40:59 < kakium69> what mood steff?
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2020-11-24T22:41:15 < Steffanx> Hows mood?
2020-11-24T22:41:39 < qyx> no good
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2020-11-24T22:42:47 < Steffanx> Time to step way from zhe computer qyx
2020-11-24T22:42:50 < Steffanx> and relaaax
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2020-11-24T22:45:12 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBfs0mPiO3M release the pressure
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2020-11-24T23:04:25 < Thorn> Steffanx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5LvhKbsHWU
2020-11-24T23:12:05 < kakium69> sounds pretty plain
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2020-11-24T23:33:27 < kakium69> Thorn: but I found old song again as a result
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2020-11-24T23:55:41 < kakium69> time to write work application
2020-11-24T23:58:02 < Steffanx> Work?
2020-11-24T23:59:18 < qyx> Work?
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2020-11-25T00:03:45 < kakiwork69> layout designer
2020-11-25T00:04:02 < kakiwork69> it could be good thing
2020-11-25T00:04:26 < kakiwork69> if I keep myself in shape
2020-11-25T00:04:31 < kakiwork69> etc.
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2020-11-25T00:07:35 < kakiwork69> I think this time I'm going to spend 90% of time to font and formating
2020-11-25T00:07:43 < kakiwork69> and 10% for the text
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2020-11-25T00:08:27 < kakiwork69> last time I wrote application a size of war and peace
2020-11-25T00:08:48 < kakiwork69> I looked it then and I looked it now
2020-11-25T00:09:46 < Thorn> are you competing with altium and mentor graphics?
2020-11-25T00:09:58 < qyx> I don't follow
2020-11-25T00:10:04 < Thorn> or trying to steal market share from gEDA
2020-11-25T00:10:15 < kakiwork69> job application for now thorn
2020-11-25T00:10:36 < kakiwork69> thing that you need to write and somebody to give one look and throw away
2020-11-25T00:10:43 < Thorn> job application layout designer?
2020-11-25T00:11:07 < kakiwork69> google job application
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2020-11-25T00:12:05 < qyx> oh job application
2020-11-25T00:12:10 < Thorn> oh, job application, not application
2020-11-25T00:12:34 < BrainDamage> https://www.evilmadscientist.com/2013/how-printed-circuit-boards-are-designed-1960-edition/
2020-11-25T00:14:47 < qyx> any generic musician here?
2020-11-25T00:15:08 < qyx> what should I buy if I want to record sounds of a nature?
2020-11-25T00:15:32 < qyx> what kind of microphone, are there any weatherproof, is there any wind shield required, etc
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2020-11-25T00:15:53 < kakiwork69> Thorn: application comes later
2020-11-25T00:16:21 < kakiwork69> wind shield is always required
2020-11-25T00:16:52 < BrainDamage> condenser mic, directionality depends on your pourpose, wind shield mandatory always
2020-11-25T00:17:15 < qyx> will a generic condenser require phantom power?
2020-11-25T00:18:25 < zyp> phantom power or a battery AFAIK
2020-11-25T00:18:41 < BrainDamage> yes, unless it's one of those with builtin adc, those interface directly through usb
2020-11-25T00:19:05 < BrainDamage> which make them handy to avoid having a set of hw to carry
2020-11-25T00:19:43 < bitmask_> hmm, 4.5 hours to charge my heated jacket pack, gonna have to increase current next time
2020-11-25T00:19:54 < qyx> and what ballpark values of noise floor and dynamic range should I look for?
2020-11-25T00:20:11 < fenugrec> qyx, a buddy is using one of those twin-mic things (tascam dr-40, or zoom H-something I forget)
2020-11-25T00:20:12 < qyx> for very quiet sounds
2020-11-25T00:22:28 < zyp> I wonder if I wanted to do a battery powered 802.3af PSE, could I just hook up 48V-ish of liion cells in series, or would the voltage vary too much?
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2020-11-25T00:24:00 < qyx> 14 cell could be doable, 42-58.8 V
2020-11-25T00:25:56 < zyp> spec says 44-57V at PSE
2020-11-25T00:27:04 < zyp> 13 cells might be more reasonable if not discharged too deep
2020-11-25T00:27:16 < zyp> do you really go all the way down to 3V?
2020-11-25T00:28:12 < zyp> I measured a small lipo once and that was close to empty at 3.5
2020-11-25T00:28:57 < BrainDamage> qyx: if you don't need to connect to a recording equipment, you can get away with a portable recording device, but thhose are expensive
2020-11-25T00:29:04 < BrainDamage> like 300-400 bucks
2020-11-25T00:29:24 < BrainDamage> re: dyn range, look for at least 60-70dB
2020-11-25T00:32:00 < qyx> what about this http://www.boya-mic.com/info/BY-MM1.html
2020-11-25T00:33:18 < qyx> looks lowcost to me, it needs only standard electret biasing
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2020-11-25T00:47:29 < BrainDamage> looks ok
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2020-11-25T00:55:14 < zyp> hmm, TPS23861 looks simple enough
2020-11-25T00:55:32 < zyp> hook up a couple of mosfets, feed it 48V and you've got four poe ports
2020-11-25T00:57:06 < qyx> is it just a fancy low side load switch?
2020-11-25T00:57:24 < zyp> yeah
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2020-11-25T01:48:17 < machinehum> So what's the deal with putting STM's hal shit into an open source project? www.st.com/SLA0044 Line 5 seems retarded
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2020-11-25T01:48:42 < machinehum> Like wtf is the licence of the software
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2020-11-25T03:39:25 < karlp> machinehum: it lets people file bugfixes without emailing them to an FAE
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2020-11-25T08:12:15 < jadew> are there more than one type of apple lightning connectors?
2020-11-25T08:15:33 < jadew> hmm, looks like it's just the one
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2020-11-25T10:41:19 < mawk> two consecutive fibonacci numbers are always coprime
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2020-11-25T12:44:48 < mawk> isn't it an amazing fact?
2020-11-25T12:45:02 < mawk> and even better than that, fibonacci numbers are the worst case of euclide algorithm
2020-11-25T12:45:22 < mawk> that means euclide algorithm has complexity O(log_φ(n)) with φ golden ratio
2020-11-25T12:47:43 < mawk> this is the hand of god Steffanx 
2020-11-25T12:47:46 < mawk> repent while you still can
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2020-11-25T13:06:24 < mawk> is L5 the only kind of stm32 with arm trustzone?
2020-11-25T13:06:31 < mawk> they're too powerful for the task
2020-11-25T13:09:01 < effractur> why would you want a trustzone
2020-11-25T13:09:05 < effractur> they get broken anyway
2020-11-25T13:09:13 < mawk> by who?
2020-11-25T13:09:23 < effractur> hackers
2020-11-25T13:09:26 < mawk> "secure by arm trustzone" → you can multiply the price by 10
2020-11-25T13:09:34 < mawk> well regular hackers, or hackers with a scanning electron microscope ?
2020-11-25T13:09:35 < effractur> good point
2020-11-25T13:10:05 < effractur> regular, some tools are getting quiter cheap to do these attacks
2020-11-25T13:10:14 < mawk> but yeah I guess even the bitcoin crypto stuff are not using trustzone
2020-11-25T13:10:16 < mawk> like ledger wallet
2020-11-25T13:10:41 < mawk> well I've heard of very sophisticated attacks on TPM, but not regular powerfault/software attacks yet
2020-11-25T13:11:12 < mawk> https://gcn.com/articles/2010/02/02/black-hat-chip-crack-020210.aspx
2020-11-25T13:11:21 < mawk> ^ this is not what I would call regular hacking
2020-11-25T13:12:49 < effractur> the tools to do that have dropped drasticly in price the last 2 years
2020-11-25T13:13:24 < mawk> yeah
2020-11-25T13:13:29 < mawk> well this article says $200 000 in 2010
2020-11-25T13:13:31 < mawk> probably cheaper now
2020-11-25T13:13:46 < mawk> but you still need quite some exercise, and also it's way more profitable to do this attack when the secret isn't unique to the device
2020-11-25T13:13:58 < mawk> e.g. the playstation tpm which holds private keys that are the same everywhere
2020-11-25T13:14:05 < mawk> expertise not exercise
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2020-11-25T13:15:28 < mawk> and probably if the device is hacked then you make a nice lawsuit to ARM
2020-11-25T13:15:39 < mawk> so see this as an opportunity to make more money lol
2020-11-25T13:18:29 < mawk> securing one-time secrets is easier, because all you have to do is to make it likely that the chip breaks when you attack it
2020-11-25T13:18:43 < mawk> with a global secret, as long as you have a non-zero chance of breaking it, you can keep buying more chips
2020-11-25T13:18:57 < mawk> but if it's just one time you're fucked when you short the protecting grid or trip the sensors or whatever
2020-11-25T13:19:40 < mawk> so you can practice on the same revision for months to get the perfect gestures to hack that single chip, but the final cost gets high quickly
2020-11-25T13:19:46 < mawk> so there better be billions on that bitcoin wallet
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2020-11-25T16:31:56 < BrainDamage> with global secrets, there's a goldmine of cheap chips in broken devices in trash
2020-11-25T16:33:23 < mawk> yeah
2020-11-25T16:34:28 < BrainDamage> also, that convo reminds me of why key escrow that law enforcement agencies keep pushing is ultimately idiotic
2020-11-25T16:34:51 < BrainDamage> when it's a single key you can factorize, you can pool resources to attack
2020-11-25T16:35:12 < mawk> yeah
2020-11-25T16:35:17 < BrainDamage> so even if the device in situ has a random key, the sig on it comes from a centralized one
2020-11-25T16:35:17 < karlp> if you need single key for anything,  you've designed in failure out of the box
2020-11-25T16:35:23 < mawk> and probably they will be stupid enough to show the key in a photo in a press release
2020-11-25T16:35:27 < mawk> like the TSA master key
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2020-11-25T16:41:30 < srk> related https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=5979
2020-11-25T16:41:57 < srk> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41928-019-0309-z/
2020-11-25T16:46:41 < karlp> nice how bunnie claims that a cpu is implicit surrender, because can't verify, but fpgas are ok, because "magically, user provides bitstream"
2020-11-25T16:46:54 < karlp> like you have a cahnce of verifying that the fpga doesn't do anything else as well....
2020-11-25T16:51:49 < fenugrec> he may be assuming that once a certain fpga has been  xray'ed / SEM'ed once and all bits accounted for, then yes, the bitstream contains all the functionality ?
2020-11-25T16:52:55 < BrainDamage> you have no guarantee that your fpga is the same as the one scanned
2020-11-25T16:54:24 < fenugrec> yeah everything falls apart if you can't trust anyone in any point on your supply chain. Is your xray machine even showing you the actual die  ? etc. there's no end
2020-11-25T16:55:00 < karlp> given that the whole "use an fpga because we can't trust cpus" is the purpose, it seems kinda false to claim that an fpga is immune from that.
2020-11-25T16:56:31 < BrainDamage> well, manipulating an xray machine to show fake data on a specific case is more of an academic excercise, while swapping chips during a batch supply is a very practical attack
2020-11-25T16:57:03 < BrainDamage> see also the plague of fake sd even on big resellers like amazon
2020-11-25T17:00:02 < qyx> are there fake SD cards
2020-11-25T17:00:09 < qyx> do they upload my data over 5G
2020-11-25T17:01:08 < BrainDamage> no, they just buy low capacity SD and reflash the firmware to make them appear much larger sizes, then repackage, and resell at much higher prices
2020-11-25T17:01:41 < BrainDamage> user plugs them, work for a while, then suddenly cease working once the allocated space exceeds real capacity
2020-11-25T17:02:44 < BrainDamage> and re: uploading data over 5G, there's actually SD with bultin wifi, for old device retrocompatibilty, so ... not far off
2020-11-25T17:03:20 < karlp> eyefi 
2020-11-25T17:03:28 < karlp> they were a bit slow unfortuntely,
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2020-11-25T17:30:37 < mawk> I just saw an ad in adblock
2020-11-25T17:30:39 < mawk> wtf
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2020-11-25T17:35:44 < Ultrasauce> which adblock
2020-11-25T17:35:47 < Ultrasauce> many of them sold out
2020-11-25T17:36:23 < Ultrasauce> and there's a constant arms race
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2020-11-25T17:53:21 < englishman> Precursor is designed to have the “Trusted” zone covered with a metal shield that can be glued down with epoxy.
2020-11-25T17:53:23 < englishman> lol
2020-11-25T17:55:26 < mawk> what
2020-11-25T17:55:32 < englishman> from that bunnie article
2020-11-25T17:56:07 < mawk> ah yes
2020-11-25T17:56:21 < mawk> Ultrasauce: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock-%E2%80%94-best-ad-blocker/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom
2020-11-25T17:56:23 < mawk> this one
2020-11-25T17:56:27 < mawk> the original adblock
2020-11-25T17:56:29 < mawk> or something
2020-11-25T17:58:01 < BrainDamage> use ublock origin
2020-11-25T17:58:26 < BrainDamage> it's lighter on resources, can use the same ruleset, and works reasonably well
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2020-11-25T18:00:13 < mawk> on another computer it's what I have
2020-11-25T18:00:26 < mawk> I'll swap for here too then
2020-11-25T18:02:42 < Ultrasauce> yeah iirc that's one of the ones with a paid whitelist
2020-11-25T18:03:48 < qyx> ublock origin here too
2020-11-25T18:04:44 < BrainDamage> the most hilarious one was ghostery
2020-11-25T18:05:14 < BrainDamage> it was supposed to be a privacy tool, and it literally reported back the adblock effectiveness to the ad networks
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2020-11-25T19:17:15 < Steffanx> Hi bye Cracki
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2020-11-25T19:43:27 < qyx> oh
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2020-11-25T19:44:31 < qyx> WD is sandisk nowadays?
2020-11-25T19:44:57 < qyx> or the other way around
2020-11-25T19:45:07 < effractur> no hgst is now WD
2020-11-25T19:45:13 < effractur> or you mean flash?
2020-11-25T19:45:41 < qyx> yeah WD acquired SanDisk
2020-11-25T19:45:45 < effractur> and WD also bought sanddisk a wile ago
2020-11-25T19:45:55 < qyx> https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/12/11662018/western-digital-sandisk-deal-complete
2020-11-25T19:46:16 < qyx> I hope WD Black SN750 NVMe is okish
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2020-11-25T20:07:30 < Laurenceb> anyone know anything about fortran?
2020-11-25T20:07:33 < Laurenceb> >makefile:241: *** need fortran-95+TR-15581/fortran-2003 compiler, not f77. Stop.
2020-11-25T20:07:44 < Laurenceb> is fortran77 older or newer>
2020-11-25T20:07:45 < jpa-> but but, fortran 77 is the best
2020-11-25T20:07:52 < jpa-> 77 is 1977
2020-11-25T20:07:57 < Laurenceb> wew wtf
2020-11-25T20:08:04 < Laurenceb> I have gfortran 4.4
2020-11-25T20:08:21 < Laurenceb> https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/GFortran/News
2020-11-25T20:08:29 < Laurenceb> seems like it should be fine wtf
2020-11-25T20:09:57 < jpa-> gfortran 4.4 includes f77 and f95 separately
2020-11-25T20:10:06 < jpa-> as /usr/bin/f77 and /usr/bin/f95
2020-11-25T20:11:06 < Laurenceb> hmm
2020-11-25T20:11:16 < Laurenceb> this makefile is weird
2020-11-25T20:11:16 < jpa-> so, what does makefile line 241 do?
2020-11-25T20:11:33 < Laurenceb> ifeq ($(need_ftn),1)
2020-11-25T20:11:33 < Laurenceb>    ifeq ($(findstring f77,$(notdir $(FC))),f77)
2020-11-25T20:11:33 < Laurenceb>       $(error need fortran-95+TR-15581/fortran-2003 compiler, not ${FC})
2020-11-25T20:12:32 < jpa-> try   make FC=f95
2020-11-25T20:12:55 < jpa-> https://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Implicit-Variables.html   gnu make defaults as f77 for $FC
2020-11-25T20:13:10 < specing> try rewriting it to python, lol
2020-11-25T20:13:15 < specing> (the makefile)
2020-11-25T20:13:50 < Laurenceb> >the environment variable FC must be set to fortran-90
2020-11-25T20:13:53 < Laurenceb> derp
2020-11-25T20:14:04 < Laurenceb> there are detailed instructions in the top of the makefile
2020-11-25T20:14:11 < Laurenceb> ok time to try again...
2020-11-25T20:14:53 < Laurenceb> but why didnt they put it in "installation.txt"
2020-11-25T20:15:19  * Laurenceb is trying to compile ancient NOAA codez
2020-11-25T20:15:59 < jpa-> well the ancients knew how to build stuff, they didn't need silly .txt files
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2020-11-25T21:27:19 < machinehum> Anyone seen anything like this? https://community.st.com/s/question/0D53W000003LiTK/virtual-com-port-in-stlink-doesnt-work-while-debugger-attached?t=1606331965619
2020-11-25T21:32:32 < Steffanx> Nope, but i never use this vcp
2020-11-25T21:36:55 < machinehum> Oh... nothing to do with openocd/gdb. vcp works fine on a fresh power up, then on a reset it stops working
2020-11-25T21:36:57 < machinehum> That's exciting
2020-11-25T21:50:30 < machinehum> This is probably something on the os side...
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2020-11-25T22:00:29 < qyx> I can only confirm I am unable to open VCP after I replug the USB
2020-11-25T22:00:52 < qyx> if I flash using openocd, it starts working afterwards
2020-11-25T22:01:00 < qyx> or it starts working if i wait for ~10 s
2020-11-25T22:01:28 < qyx> idk what the actual reason was, if it was device or resource busy or whetever
2020-11-25T22:09:36 < machinehum> We have the opposite problem? heh
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2020-11-25T22:36:02 < karlp> sounds like modem-manager or simlar being dumb, but I thought most of that shit was finished these days
2020-11-25T22:38:28 < mawk> last two digits of 3^7 + 3^(7^2) + 3^(7^3) + ... + 3^(7^2020) ?
2020-11-25T22:47:59 < qyx> karlp: sounds reasonable, didn't check
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2020-11-25T23:00:44 < karlp> I haven't had those problems for a while at least,
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2020-11-25T23:15:54 < zyp> mawk, 69
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2020-11-25T23:16:52 < mawk> why 69?
2020-11-25T23:17:29 < zyp> because you said two digits
2020-11-25T23:17:36 < mawk> lol
2020-11-25T23:26:46 < zyp> mawk, it's 00
2020-11-25T23:27:17 < Steffanx> no 20
2020-11-25T23:29:49 < zyp> 3**x % 100 repeats with a period of 20, 7**y % 20 repeats with a period of 4
2020-11-25T23:30:40 < zyp> sum(3**(7**n), n=1..4) % 100 is 0, and 2020 is a multiple of 4
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2020-11-25T23:33:50 < machinehum> modem-manager eh
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2020-11-26T01:38:12 < mawk> yes zyp 
2020-11-26T01:38:20 < mawk> perfect
2020-11-26T01:39:28 < mawk> in general a**x % 100 repeats with a period of 40, but in particular when a = 3 the period is 20
2020-11-26T01:39:55 < mawk> 40 because 100 there are 40 numbers less than 100 that are coprime with 100
2020-11-26T01:40:14 < kakium69> evenings
2020-11-26T01:40:22 < mawk> and the period of a**x % 100 divides 40
2020-11-26T01:41:26 < mawk> that's how you did it zyp ?
2020-11-26T01:41:31 < mawk> or you observed it with python or what
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2020-11-26T01:59:04 < zyp> I don't know about coprimes or whatever, but riddles like that that explodes in complexity tends to be based on a repeating pattern, so I just ran the beginning of 3**n % 100 and saw it started repeating after the first 20 entries
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2020-11-26T02:00:01 < zyp> which implies that 3**n % 100 == 3**(n % 20) % 100
2020-11-26T02:00:13 < zyp> so next I did the same for 7**n % 20
2020-11-26T02:00:34 < zyp> which goes 1, 7, 9, 3, …
2020-11-26T02:01:57 < zyp> and that implies that the whole goes 87, 83, 27, 3, …
2020-11-26T02:03:10 < zyp> or cumulatively 87, 70, 97, 00…
2020-11-26T02:03:30 < mawk> ah yes ok
2020-11-26T02:03:45 < mawk> well since it's not just a riddle but a real mathematical exercise I just did with pen and paper
2020-11-26T02:03:51 < mawk> and I proved that the periods are 20 and 4
2020-11-26T02:04:00 < mawk> but to just find the answer how you did is faster
2020-11-26T02:04:06 < zyp> yeah, idk how to prove it, just found it empirically
2020-11-26T02:05:18 < mawk> it's probably not hard to prove, you need to prove https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_theorem and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange%27s_theorem_(group_theory)
2020-11-26T02:05:18 < zyp> the adventofcode puzzles usually have a couple each year that's about exploding complexity that you can't bruteforce, so you have to figure out the pattern
2020-11-26T02:05:31 < mawk> ah I never tried these
2020-11-26T02:05:32 < qyx> hm, I run out of tps62825
2020-11-26T02:05:40 < qyx> time to salvage one
2020-11-26T02:06:00 < mawk> but otherwise you don't have to really prove these theorems, you can just use them, and they're pretty intutive actually
2020-11-26T02:07:02 < mawk> you assume there is an element a between 1 and 100 such that you can attain almost all elements of [1; 100] when you do a^k, you call that a primitive root; then you convince yourself that this cannot attain certain numbers, actually it cannot attain the divisors of 100 because they are "traps", once you reach them the cycle is broken, you go to zero immediately
2020-11-26T02:07:20 < mawk> so that means that the period of a^k is at most the number of elements in [1; 100] that are coprime with 100
2020-11-26T02:07:45 < mawk> and when you don't have a primitive root but a regular number like 3, then the period of 3 divides this "at most" period
2020-11-26T02:07:57 < mawk> probably I don't explain it very well, but it should be quite intuitiev
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2020-11-26T02:08:53 < mawk> so when you know that 40 numbers are coprime with 100, you know that the period of 3 is either 40, 20, 10, 5, 4, 2; so you can start from the way up, and actually 20 is working
2020-11-26T02:09:03 < zyp> also I'm still not sure I forgive you for getting me hooked on that binarypuzzle shit, I've been doing the daily puzzles pretty much every day since
2020-11-26T02:09:09 < mawk> lol
2020-11-26T02:09:11 < mawk> nice
2020-11-26T02:09:40 < zyp> I've gotten pretty fast at it :p
2020-11-26T02:10:03 < mawk> yeah I find it more entertaining than sudoku
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2020-11-26T02:11:14 < zyp> I saw some special sudoku some weeks ago, it had some extra rules and you started with like only two prefilled digits
2020-11-26T02:11:17 < zyp> was pretty fun
2020-11-26T02:11:24 < mawk> ah I probably saw the same video then
2020-11-26T02:11:27 < mawk> with chess patterns?
2020-11-26T02:11:30 < zyp> yes
2020-11-26T02:11:36 < mawk> yeah that was a nice one
2020-11-26T02:11:58 < zyp> somebody posted the video in another chatroom, looked interesting so I paused it and solved it myself before I saw the guy try
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2020-11-26T02:13:21 < zyp> I mostly only play sudoku when I'm flying somewhere and there's an inflight system with it :p
2020-11-26T02:14:26 < mawk> lol
2020-11-26T02:15:38 < mawk> so how I solved the exercise is look for the at-most period modulo 100, which is the number of coprimes with 100, 100 is 2²·5² so it has (2-1)·2^(2-1)·(5-1)·5^(2-1) (that's the general formula) = 40 coprimes, then I try to find the period of 3, so let's eliminate whole branches at once by trying to see if the period of 3 has cofactors with 2, then to see if it has with 5, for that I do
2020-11-26T02:15:40 < mawk> respectively 3^(40/2) and 3^(40/5), and bingo 3^(20) = 1 while 3^(8) != 1
2020-11-26T02:15:52 < mawk> then I try to see if it's less than 20, possibly 10, but 3^10 != 1, so I pinpointed it, it's 20
2020-11-26T02:16:22 < mawk> then do the same for 7^x mod 20, knowing that 20 has 4 divisors, well 7^4 = 1 but 7^2 != 1, so it's 4
2020-11-26T02:16:37 < mawk> so there's this general procedure
2020-11-26T02:16:51 < mawk> or run a python script but it's less classy than doing it on paper lol
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2020-11-26T02:17:43 < mawk> 20 has 4 coprimes sorry, not 4 divisors
2020-11-26T02:17:49 < mawk> or is it 8
2020-11-26T02:17:54 < mawk> whatever it's the general idea
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2020-11-26T02:54:17 < mawk> and zyp by the way it's exactly how PRNGs work
2020-11-26T02:54:19 < mawk> the LCG kind anyway
2020-11-26T02:54:21 < mawk> the a^k periodic thing
2020-11-26T02:54:23 < mawk> isn't that cool?
2020-11-26T02:54:48 < mawk> if you choose a right, then your a^k % p will have a period of p-1 and be pseudorandom, so you can basically generate all numbers in [1; p) with no repetition
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2020-11-26T03:23:41 < qyx> oh there is no support for G4 in libopencm3 whatsoever
2020-11-26T03:24:06 < mawk> what's very different from the same arm line?
2020-11-26T03:24:47 < qyx> hm, there is, for gpio
2020-11-26T03:24:53 < qyx> but no rcc for example
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2020-11-26T03:49:51 < mawk> https://youtu.be/mTz2Pg_cjMY
2020-11-26T03:51:49 < englishman> isnt it 3am
2020-11-26T03:51:54 < englishman> dont you have a job
2020-11-26T03:52:03 < englishman> https://time.is/dutchland
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2020-11-26T04:24:29 < mawk> I make the most of my 24 hours a day englishman 
2020-11-26T04:31:28 < brdb> somehow on the stm32f429i-disc1 board (the newer) using the LTDC isn't working quite right, hsync vsync dclk, etc. are all working fine and the data is there but for whatever reason the ILI9341 isn't displaying anything
2020-11-26T04:32:02 < brdb> has anyone run into the above with prior working LCD tests using the LTDC+DMA? i'm wondering if i need to set the IM[0-3] bits using GPIO after soldering the open jumpers
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2020-11-26T07:53:50 < Spirit532> brdb, I'm working with it right now
2020-11-26T07:54:05 < Spirit532> where are you placing your frame buffer?
2020-11-26T07:55:01 < Spirit532> LTDC is by definition DMA, you point it to an address and it vomits that address+layer size(optionally [* upscaling}) onto the display
2020-11-26T07:55:44 < Spirit532> and on that note, to LTDC experts: I know the STM32H7 needs the LTDC framebuffer to be in the D1 domain, because it can only directly talk to it, as on this picture:
2020-11-26T07:55:50 < Spirit532> https://community.st.com/sfc/servlet.shepherd/version/renditionDownload?rendition=THUMB720BY480&versionId=0680X000006I9Za&operationContext=CHATTER&contentId=05T0X00000OPhmo&page=0
2020-11-26T07:56:29 < Spirit532> but here's question: is it in theory possible to have the framebuffer in the D2 domain, and somehow utilize the D1-D2 bridge?
2020-11-26T07:57:26 < Spirit532> I'm thinking along the lines of... frame-buffer-too-small-to-fit-screen, with a couple circular DMA transfers that take the layer's current line and quickly pre-copy it into the too-small-to-fit-screen buffer?
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2020-11-26T08:21:47 < jpa-> Spirit532: might run into bandwidth limitations pretty quick, and getting the synchronization pulses right might be difficult also
2020-11-26T08:22:18 < jpa-> if pixel rate is low enough, one could just DMA into FMC or GPIO, without using LTDC
2020-11-26T08:22:21 < Spirit532> I just want to get rid of this giant 250KB blob in D1 that is annoying
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2020-11-26T08:22:31 < jpa-> it's kind of annoying that one cannot write directly to LTDC fifos
2020-11-26T08:22:44 < Spirit532> and maybe move some functions to DTCM and ITCM
2020-11-26T08:23:03 < jpa-> why is it annoying?
2020-11-26T08:23:14 < jpa-> and i don't see how it is stopping you using dtcm/itcm
2020-11-26T08:23:32 < Spirit532> two separate issues
2020-11-26T08:23:42 < Spirit532> but I'm trying to stuff a pretty big application into it
2020-11-26T08:25:08 < jpa-> put the application data in other ram blocks? because of cpu cache it won't make that much of a difference
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2020-11-26T10:16:59 < jpa-> zyp: have you ever seen a case where STM32 OTGFS device gets stuck so that *all* registers just read the last value read from RX fifo? when i read DIEPMSK, DTXFSTS0, anything from debugger it reads just 0x2a204843 which appears to be a part of a packet ("CH *" text)
2020-11-26T10:18:11 < zyp> no, I've never seen that
2020-11-26T10:18:18 < zyp> is it reproducible?
2020-11-26T10:18:52 < jpa-> not sure yet, i've only received one crash dump so far but apparently an issue with the same symptoms occurs every few days
2020-11-26T10:19:34 < jpa-> but the symptoms are generic enough: "USB connection drops but device still works"
2020-11-26T10:20:37 < zyp> but since you're reading it with the debugger you've had it happen on the bench?
2020-11-26T10:20:49 < zyp> and then you've also got crash dumps indicating the same happens in the wild?
2020-11-26T10:20:56 < jpa-> nah, the crash dump was obtained using a gdb script
2020-11-26T10:21:31 < jpa-> first i had just ram etc, which pointed to some kind of usb problem; then i added prints of the usb registers to the script
2020-11-26T10:22:33 < zyp> and I assume you've double checked the script that it's actually reading the right addrs?
2020-11-26T10:22:34 < jpa-> not sure if just the fact that it is stopped in debugger could somehow make the usb bus interface hang and hide the real state; but when i try the script on working device it gives correct values for the registers
2020-11-26T10:24:51 < zyp> maybe you need to check RCC that you're not accidentally turning off the clock? :p
2020-11-26T10:25:08 < jpa-> yeah, i considered that; i might have to check :)
2020-11-26T10:25:19 < jpa-> you never know what nuttx usb drivers might do
2020-11-26T10:25:27 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/IMG_20201126_102334.jpg   looks like i'll have this decoration for a while now..
2020-11-26T10:25:54 < zyp> or maybe clock is unstable and you have the automatic switching to a working sysclock, but that doesn't feed the usb48 clock
2020-11-26T10:26:05 < zyp> or some shit like that
2020-11-26T10:26:18 < jpa-> no, nothing fancy like that
2020-11-26T10:26:45 < zyp> I mean, doesn't RCC do the automatic swithcing more or less automatically if HSE fails?
2020-11-26T10:28:09 < jpa-> hmm, good point; i don't think i have CSS enabled, but in any case   "The NMI is executed indefinitely unless
2020-11-26T10:28:11 < jpa-> the CSS interrupt pending bit is cleared."
2020-11-26T10:29:41 < zyp> ah
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2020-11-26T11:11:55 < Steffanx> karlp: Did you ever get to do something useful with this renode stuff?
2020-11-26T11:13:11 < Steffanx> jpa-: where does your love, mainly hate, relationship with nuttx come from. I dont recall i've ever seen in the wild. 
2020-11-26T11:13:38 < Steffanx> Or do people google for "nuttx expert" and you have a sponsored link in the top?
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2020-11-26T11:31:09 < jpa-> Steffanx: well, i chose nuttx for a project back in 2012, and i'm stuck maintaining it
2020-11-26T11:35:09 < karlp> Steffanx: I poked them and proded to the point that I can run modbus applications in it, but I can't even remember anymore what I was trying to solve initially.
2020-11-26T11:35:25 < karlp> I did need fixes from them, and they were very responsive
2020-11-26T11:37:30 < karlp> qyx: it's probably stalled on adding all the clock lookup shit because everythign has it's own peripheral clock
2020-11-26T11:37:42 < karlp> that and my complete lack of interest in spending my nights on it recently.
2020-11-26T11:39:24 < karlp> but, I'm hoping our women beat your women tonight :)
2020-11-26T11:41:27 < Steffanx> Do you watch women soccerball?
2020-11-26T11:41:40 < Steffanx> Woman.
2020-11-26T11:41:54 < Steffanx> Female.
2020-11-26T11:42:44 < karlp> when it's shown, sometimes, but I've got to at least support them :)
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2020-11-26T11:59:53 < Steffanx> Im not even sure if dutchland is still in. They probably are
2020-11-26T12:00:41 < Steffanx> or what is that match about anyway
2020-11-26T12:01:15 < Steffanx> something european cup ok
2020-11-26T12:05:06 < mawk> «Bitbucket is experiencing an incident» they should rather tell when they're not
2020-11-26T12:05:12 < mawk> they have the banner almost everyday
2020-11-26T12:05:29 < qyx> karlp: skiing?
2020-11-26T12:05:55 < qyx> ah you say women
2020-11-26T12:05:58 < qyx> idk then
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2020-11-26T12:14:17 < karlp> hrm, was looking up a hot air station on ali for a friend, they're cheap today!
2020-11-26T12:14:32 < karlp> "fear of missing out" feel like I should buy something!
2020-11-26T12:18:57 < mawk> I don't know if I recommend that karlp lol
2020-11-26T12:19:03 < mawk> or maybe if you can get a not so cheap one
2020-11-26T12:19:19 < mawk> or unless you're ok with the concept of single use hot air stations
2020-11-26T12:19:52 < mawk> maybe I just was unlucky
2020-11-26T12:20:49 < karlp> I have two cheap ones, use them semi-regularly, zero problems?
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2020-11-26T12:22:22 < zyp> why two?
2020-11-26T12:22:51 < karlp> home+work
2020-11-26T12:23:03 < karlp> hang on, that doesn't make sense.
2020-11-26T12:23:08  * karlp wonders where the one at home is.
2020-11-26T12:24:35 < karlp> one of these at work: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001194385680.html
2020-11-26T12:24:56 < karlp> we don't do heavy rework or building though, *shrugs*
2020-11-26T12:25:13 < karlp> maybe today's the day to buy an rd6006
2020-11-26T12:33:05 < mawk> maybe I was unlucky then
2020-11-26T12:33:22 < mawk> but when I let the hot air run for more than 10 or so minutes, the display turns off
2020-11-26T12:33:29 < mawk> then it has to cool down to work again
2020-11-26T12:33:35 < mawk> or get a bang or two
2020-11-26T12:35:28 < mawk> and I have a feeling this wouldn't have happened with something not that cheap
2020-11-26T12:40:23 < karlp> if only paying more meant you got more....
2020-11-26T12:41:45 < zyp> while paying more doesn't necessarily mean you get more, paying less usually means you get less
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2020-11-26T12:44:29 < karlp> with a completely invisible line between them...
2020-11-26T12:47:29 < zyp> :)
2020-11-26T13:19:43 < Steffanx> What drug did you need your hot air station for mawk?
2020-11-26T13:20:23 < mawk> desoldering, mainly
2020-11-26T13:25:42 < Steffanx> mainly ;)
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2020-11-26T13:29:42 < PaulFertser> I used hot air for heating up PU glue prior to mating surfaces.
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2020-11-26T13:44:48 < benishor> anyone did solder masking with a silk screen mesh?
2020-11-26T13:45:11 < benishor> I'm not sure which would be a good type for uv solder mask 
2020-11-26T13:45:12 < benishor> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32976148429.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.3cc932326rxUDP&algo_pvid=9aae6cbb-73c5-431b-8c8e-867c0fbb31cb&algo_expid=9aae6cbb-73c5-431b-8c8e-867c0fbb31cb-1&btsid=0b0a555316063881528387373e6753&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
2020-11-26T13:49:06 < PaulFertser> I also used it for welding plastic (ABS on motor bike and laptop) using 3d printing filament as a welding rod.
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2020-11-26T18:43:41 < BrainDamage> thanks for the hint on zigbee devices zyp I made a sunrise alarm clock desk lamp easil
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2020-11-26T19:03:41 < Polsaker> fucking gsm modem decides to stop responding after sending a command -_-
2020-11-26T19:06:27 < Ultrastaffel> they like electrons
2020-11-26T19:06:33 < Ultrastaffel> make sure you feed them enough
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2020-11-26T19:09:09 < qyx> Polsaker: doesn't it sleep by any chance?
2020-11-26T19:09:41 < Polsaker> nope, it keeps processing commands, but it just stops replying
2020-11-26T19:09:56 < Polsaker> first command I get the reply no problem
2020-11-26T19:09:57 < qyx> how do you know it keeps processing?
2020-11-26T19:10:27 < Polsaker> I can enable/disable the gps module and I see power consumption increase/decrease, if I send the command to shut down the modem the status leds turn off
2020-11-26T19:10:43 < Polsaker> I either fucked up something in the uart or got a cursed modem
2020-11-26T19:11:15 < qyx> have you disabled HW flow control?
2020-11-26T19:11:23 < Polsaker> yup
2020-11-26T19:11:48 < qyx> and have you connected DTR?
2020-11-26T19:11:52 < qyx> which modem exactlY?
2020-11-26T19:11:56 < Polsaker> it's a sim808
2020-11-26T19:12:02 < Polsaker> and yeah dtr is connected
2020-11-26T19:13:57 < qyx> is it low?
2020-11-26T19:14:52 < qyx> did you use AT+CSCLK=0?
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2020-11-26T19:47:38 < Steffanx> Did you try PHP8 with new amazing JIT support yet, mawk
2020-11-26T19:47:43 < Steffanx> ?
2020-11-26T19:54:02 < Polsaker> <qyx> is it low? => yup
2020-11-26T19:54:44 < Polsaker> and I haven't used AT+CSCLK=0 yet, I'll try that
2020-11-26T20:00:45 < Polsaker> yeah it's zero now but it's still doing the same thing
2020-11-26T20:03:21 < Polsaker> the weird thing is that it works every time if I send the "AT+CSCLK=0", but as soon as I send anything else, like "AT+CCLK?" it replies okay but then I just stop receiving data afterwards
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2020-11-26T20:48:56 < jpa-> eh, hirose provides 3d models of their connectors, nice; but "You may download 3D-model only for your personal, non-commercial use."
2020-11-26T21:04:10 < Steffanx> Luckily you are very personal and have a good non-commercial mindset, jpa- 
2020-11-26T21:04:29 < Steffanx> So almost good. They won't mind
2020-11-26T21:12:44 < kakium69> "I promise not to use these models for any form of commercial use"
2020-11-26T21:13:03 < kakium69> hit that checkbox hard on your work computer
2020-11-26T21:13:46 < zyp> and you're totally not gonna use them to manufacture WMDs
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2020-11-26T21:14:49 < kakium69> change location country to iran for lulz
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2020-11-26T22:08:05 < Laurenceb> Don't kid yourself in thinking you're something you're not. The very fact you though about eating my pets shows that you are a predator, too. Deny it if you must, but it won't change who you are.
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2020-11-26T22:26:08 < mawk> you're racist Laurenceb eating cats is very normal in my region of the world
2020-11-26T22:26:32 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-11-26T22:30:43 < Steffanx> so mawk isnt really in dutchland
2020-11-26T22:31:39 < mawk> yes I am
2020-11-26T22:31:45 < mawk> you never ate cat Steffanx ? are you a true dutchman?
2020-11-26T22:38:54 < Steffanx> What does your russian gf have down there?
2020-11-26T22:47:48 < mawk> down where Steffanx ?
2020-11-26T22:50:18 < Steffanx> nevermind 
2020-11-26T22:52:35 < mawk> :(
2020-11-26T22:52:44 < mawk> she is a regular XX female
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2020-11-26T23:07:27 < Laurenceb> >russian gf
2020-11-26T23:07:27 < Amun_Ra> if cats were not edible, they wouldn't fit in a microwave oven
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2020-11-26T23:07:29 < Laurenceb> lmao
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2020-11-26T23:16:48 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWoE7aNaKHI
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2020-11-27T12:36:13 < karlp> any good cheap usb-c pd supplies? 45W or so, two usb-c and one or two usb-a?
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2020-11-27T12:37:00 < karlp> want something a bit more useful than just this: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/accessories-and-monitors/chargers-and-batteries/chargers/PWR-ADP-BO-Type-C-45W-Adapter/p/4X20M26252
2020-11-27T12:37:48 < effractur> ikea has 40W chargers with 1 usb-c 2 usb-a
2020-11-27T12:38:02 < effractur>  ASKSTORM
2020-11-27T12:50:50 < emeryth> karlp: baseus is good
2020-11-27T12:56:54 < karlp> emeryth: nice, was just looking at a baseus: https://www.banggood.com/GaN-Tech-Baseus-65W-USB-C-Charger-3-Port-GaN-Wall-Charger-With-2-+-Type-C-PD-Charger-+-USB-Charger-For-iPhone-12-12-Mini-12-Pro-Max-Notebook-MacBook-Tablet-Huawei-Mate-40-Pro-For-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-20-Tab-S7-For-Nintendo-Switch-p-1628028.html?rmmds=search&ID=22447757&cur_warehouse=CN
2020-11-27T13:01:56 < emeryth> they are way cheaper in their official aliexpress store
2020-11-27T13:02:53 < englishman> karlp: the Artesyn ones from digikey, if you need purchasibility
2020-11-27T13:02:57 < englishman> if not, anker from amazon
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2020-11-27T13:16:28 < karlp> amazon's a shitshow to iceland I'm afraid
2020-11-27T13:18:41 < karlp> heh, should have known I could get something like tha ton digikey/mouser
2020-11-27T13:18:57 < karlp> order a couple of hundred euro yesterday, said to my colleague, "I bet I'll remember something else as soon as I go home"
2020-11-27T13:22:06 < englishman> $$ tho
2020-11-27T13:22:13 < englishman> but has an actual part number
2020-11-27T13:22:16 < englishman> if you need that kind of thing
2020-11-27T13:22:54 < zyp> I ordered some kickstarter shit that might show up soon
2020-11-27T13:23:08 < zyp> idk, I haven't been paying attention
2020-11-27T13:23:50 < englishman> those ikea chargers actually looks pretty nice.
2020-11-27T13:24:09 < zyp> yeah, I have one of those
2020-11-27T13:24:27 < zyp> the one with 1xC and 2xA
2020-11-27T13:24:32 < karlp> BW-S16 75W on banggood is only $33, looks ok.
2020-11-27T13:25:11 < karlp> we only have https://www.ikea.is/products/602357 here, is there a bigger one?
2020-11-27T13:25:23 < englishman> i saw a 40w one
2020-11-27T13:25:40 < zyp> yeah, I have this one: https://www.ikea.com/no/no/p/askstorm-40-w-usb-lader-mork-gra-50461193/
2020-11-27T13:26:12 < zyp> IIRC it's 30W PD plus 2x5W
2020-11-27T13:26:47 < karlp> that would probably be ok, charge slowly, but fine, this is just for on the road with the new laptop anyway
2020-11-27T13:27:01 < zyp> we have it sitting next to the couch for charging phones and shit, it's plenty for the laptop when I'm lounging on the couch too
2020-11-27T13:27:32 < karlp> still, not in ikea.is anyway :)
2020-11-27T13:28:14 < englishman> id like to find one from a reputable manufacturer that could put our logo on them. even if it's not the latest tech
2020-11-27T13:28:35 < zyp> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/asaptechnologies/omega-charger <- this is the kickstarter shit I'm getting
2020-11-27T13:28:37 < englishman> we get our ITE power supplies in qty=1 with custom printing
2020-11-27T13:28:38 < zyp> the 100W one
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2020-11-27T14:10:02 < karlp> ok, bought this one: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000237954145.html
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2020-11-27T15:18:24 < mawk> it's weird I cannot reproduce the openocd "writing too fast to eeprom" issue
2020-11-27T15:18:29 < mawk> maybe latest versions fixed it
2020-11-27T15:33:27 < kakium69> hello afternoon
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2020-11-27T15:47:14 < Thorn> karlp ugreen on aliexpress should be good too
2020-11-27T15:49:51 < mawk> that's what I have
2020-11-27T15:49:53 < mawk> ugreen
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2020-11-27T15:56:32 < englishman> do any of these companies share their EMC/LVC directive declarations
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2020-11-27T15:58:12 < jpa-> I hereby declare that it worked on my desk and my wifi didn't drop out.
2020-11-27T16:01:09 < englishman> your wifi survived the house fire!
2020-11-27T16:49:22 < jpa-> what is the best color for a power led?
2020-11-27T16:49:30 < jpa-> bright blue and blinking?
2020-11-27T16:49:35 < Steffanx> fading.
2020-11-27T16:49:51 < Steffanx> and blue indeed
2020-11-27T16:50:03 < fenugrec> blue is so 2007
2020-11-27T16:50:04 < Steffanx> ohno, fading in standby ofcourse
2020-11-27T16:52:56 < qyx> pink
2020-11-27T16:53:04 < qyx> or pink-violet
2020-11-27T16:53:10 < englishman> pink
2020-11-27T16:53:14 < fenugrec> I predict green LEDs on a off-white / yellowed beige case is going to make a comeback
2020-11-27T16:55:40 < jpa-> fenugrec: hey, that sounds like a cool color combination
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2020-11-27T17:09:20 < mawk> not (0, 0, 255) blue though jpa- 
2020-11-27T17:09:29 < mawk> make it duck blue
2020-11-27T17:09:41 < mawk> or a bit lighter
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2020-11-27T17:20:55 < Steffanx> What kind of device is it jpa-?
2020-11-27T17:21:07 < Steffanx> Will you sleep next to it? Then blue is the only proper colour
2020-11-27T17:22:00 < fenugrec> blue LEDs are bad for sleep
2020-11-27T17:23:11 < Steffanx> Exactly :D
2020-11-27T17:24:40 < englishman> IR power led
2020-11-27T17:25:03 < englishman> so only the cat knows when it's on
2020-11-27T17:26:15 < aandrew> wtf is "duck blue" ?
2020-11-27T17:26:43 < aandrew> lol @ IR power LED. use your smartphone camera to tell if the device is on
2020-11-27T17:27:05 < fenugrec> UV LED, so your plants know if it's on ?
2020-11-27T17:30:53 < mawk> aandrew: https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/584975439076180109/
2020-11-27T17:31:47 < aandrew> mawk: interesting
2020-11-27T17:31:57 < aandrew> didn't know that was a thing although artsy types have names for everything
2020-11-27T17:32:59 < aandrew> https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/390124386471538530 is pretty cool actually
2020-11-27T17:37:40 < Steffanx> Pinterest. Cant that shit be removed from the web?
2020-11-27T17:37:54 < Steffanx> Its worse than googles amp shit
2020-11-27T17:39:12 < mawk> google amp
2020-11-27T17:39:21 < mawk> the only web standard when they though it would be cool to use emojis in the code source
2020-11-27T17:39:44 < mawk> like <html type="⚡">or something
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2020-11-27T17:54:43 < aandrew> lol
2020-11-27T18:13:21 < englishman> what options do i have to send slow logic signals across ground planes
2020-11-27T18:13:38 < englishman> it doesnt have to be optoisolated but i would like to prevent current loop issues
2020-11-27T18:13:46 < englishman> i can go high impedance but then i risk all kinds of other issues
2020-11-27T18:14:29 < qyx> uhm, a lowcost diff opamp with unity gain?
2020-11-27T18:14:37 < englishman> yes i can route them at the ground plane connection point but in the case that i can't, what2do
2020-11-27T18:14:49 < englishman> to go high impedance?
2020-11-27T18:15:13 < qyx> yes and differential
2020-11-27T18:15:16 < qyx> but idk what is slow
2020-11-27T18:15:19 < englishman> then the input impedance would be the input impedance of the opamp
2020-11-27T18:15:26 < englishman> like normal ass logic signals enable/ etc
2020-11-27T18:15:47 < qyx> there are video diff opamps which could work
2020-11-27T18:15:51 < englishman> diff sure but the negative input would just be ground
2020-11-27T18:16:24 < qyx> no, real diff
2020-11-27T18:16:34 < qyx> oh you mean using only a single receiving opamp
2020-11-27T18:16:38 < englishman> so send two inverted signals instead of one?
2020-11-27T18:16:42 < qyx> I meant using a diff driver and an opamp as a receiver
2020-11-27T18:16:46 < englishman> oh
2020-11-27T18:16:52 < englishman> hmm
2020-11-27T18:16:59 < englishman> yes, but more complex than i thought
2020-11-27T18:17:13 < englishman> idk if that would decrease common mode current much either?
2020-11-27T18:17:16 < qyx> but your pseudo diff with only a single opamp should work too
2020-11-27T18:17:19 < englishman> vs a 100k pullup and a fet
2020-11-27T18:24:12 < BrainDamage> an optocoupler will remain the simplest sol
2020-11-27T18:28:14 < englishman> yep :/
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2020-11-27T18:29:00 < englishman> too bad there isn't a little electron catapult
2020-11-27T18:29:07 < englishman> to launch those buggers over the wall
2020-11-27T18:29:17 < BrainDamage> the only reason to go the opamp route is if you have a few on your bom already
2020-11-27T18:29:28 < englishman> ill put a 100k pullup and a fet
2020-11-27T18:29:33 < englishman> and move to 1m if there are problems
2020-11-27T18:36:46 < qyx> wait what, it is a digital signal?
2020-11-27T18:36:57 < englishman> yes
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2020-11-27T18:39:42 < BrainDamage> if you feel envious of students of EE101, there's always https://awwapp.com/b/uxcrnghv8vqvm/
2020-11-27T18:41:05 < BrainDamage> but 4 fets might be a bit of waste
2020-11-27T18:42:14 < qyx> another riddle, I have a battery with 2 cells
2020-11-27T18:42:46 < qyx> I want to be able to bypass one of them
2020-11-27T18:43:28 < BrainDamage> by bypass you mean disconnect as if the only other is wired?
2020-11-27T18:43:44 < BrainDamage> and I assume they are in series?
2020-11-27T18:43:48 < qyx> disconnect and short the path instead
2020-11-27T18:43:56 < qyx> yes, in series
2020-11-27T18:44:25 < BrainDamage> you only need a deviator switch
2020-11-27T18:44:47 < qyx> basically
2020-11-27T18:45:01 < qyx> but how to do it solid state?
2020-11-27T18:48:19 < BrainDamage> see the link to make it with two mos
2020-11-27T18:48:54 < BrainDamage> that's a switch, so you'll need 4 overall
2020-11-27T18:51:09 < BrainDamage> yyou can just use 2 gpios in place of the not
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2020-11-27T18:53:00 < qyx> which link?
2020-11-27T18:53:15 < BrainDamage> https://awwapp.com/b/uxcrnghv8vqvm/
2020-11-27T18:53:22 < qyx> oh
2020-11-27T18:53:38 < BrainDamage> in fact since the switches go alternatte, you only need 2 gpios
2020-11-27T18:53:57 < BrainDamage> because you can wire the gate of the pmos with the nmos of the other branch
2020-11-27T18:54:01 < BrainDamage> and viceversa
2020-11-27T18:54:12 < BrainDamage> so 2 gpios and 4 mos
2020-11-27T18:57:17 < qyx> so on the left sketch there is n+p mos connected back to back?
2020-11-27T18:57:58 < BrainDamage> yes
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2020-11-27T19:02:50 < qyx> hm
2020-11-27T19:03:14 < BrainDamage> drew it full on the right side
2020-11-27T19:04:46 < BrainDamage> as long as you use logic level mos, you won't even need a gate driver
2020-11-27T19:06:21 < qyx> wouldn't the body diodes conduct all the time?
2020-11-27T19:06:28 < BrainDamage> because at least one of thhe pair will be fully on, either p or n, regarless of the level the voltage is floating at
2020-11-27T19:07:02 < BrainDamage> no because the body diodes block in the same direction when you wire them back to back
2020-11-27T19:07:46 < BrainDamage> and thee battery on the othher side prevents the diode from being forward biased
2020-11-27T19:08:16 < qyx> in both charging and discharging?
2020-11-27T19:09:27 < BrainDamage> no, you can only have one
2020-11-27T19:09:52 < BrainDamage> if you want charge and discharge, it gets more complex
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2020-11-27T19:10:24 < BrainDamage> because you'll need PN in series and a level shifter
2020-11-27T19:11:44 < qyx> what about this https://www.homemade-circuits.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Discrete-Implementation-of-BPS-Using-N-MOSFETs.png
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2020-11-27T19:12:08 < qyx> one for cell disconnect, another one for bypass
2020-11-27T19:12:20 < qyx> driving would be harder though
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2020-11-27T19:39:00 < BrainDamage> yes, that will work
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2020-11-27T19:58:15 < rajkosto> https://old.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/k1wmek/this_man_made_a_flying_bathtub_using_drones_and/ where's YOUR innovation
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2020-11-27T20:12:36 < aandrew> rajkosto: pretty sure that's englishman before he went pro and got a paramotor
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2020-11-27T22:38:13 < karlp> does BrainDamage's awwapp thing work for anyone else?
2020-11-27T22:38:19 < karlp> I just a blank canvas?
2020-11-27T22:42:07 < qyx> worksfor me
2020-11-27T22:42:13 < qyx> it was marked as temporary though
2020-11-27T22:42:44 < qyx> yeah it is blank now
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2020-11-27T23:02:56 < Steffanx> Heh, such volatile :(
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2020-11-27T23:26:14 < aandrew> waht is awwapp
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2020-11-27T23:30:58 < Steffanx> some whiteboard
2020-11-27T23:31:07 < Steffanx> i think mr bd made a nice drawing
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2020-11-28T00:54:38 < kakium69> I went to buy myself macbook
2020-11-28T00:54:50 < kakium69> I forgot my credit card pin
2020-11-28T00:54:56 < kakium69> now my credit card is locked
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2020-11-28T00:59:14 < Ultrastaffel> sorry to hear about buying a macbook
2020-11-28T00:59:31 < kakium69> friend said forgeting pin number was a sign
2020-11-28T00:59:47 < Ultrastaffel> i made the mistake of buying an apple product once
2020-11-28T01:01:10 < kakium69> which one?
2020-11-28T01:01:42 < Ultrastaffel> a macbook pro 15"
2020-11-28T01:02:00 < kakium69> nvidia?
2020-11-28T01:03:14 < kakium69> it was the way my thinkpad died
2020-11-28T01:05:52 < Ultrastaffel> i don't recall
2020-11-28T01:06:06 < Ultrastaffel> i remember nothing working
2020-11-28T01:06:18 < Ultrastaffel> wifi wouldn't stay connected for shit.
2020-11-28T01:06:37 < Ultrastaffel> so i bought a usb ethernet... but not an apple one... so it kept kernel panicking
2020-11-28T01:07:06 < Ultrastaffel> my mechanical keyboard wouldn't work. kept missing keystrokes. because it wasn't an apple keyboard.
2020-11-28T01:07:53 < Ultrastaffel> and then trying to avoid paying money to app developers ended up in a bad experience software-wise
2020-11-28T01:08:37 < Ultrastaffel> rent-seeking at every corner
2020-11-28T01:12:49 < boB_K7IQ> Anyone here having trouble getting ST parts ??
2020-11-28T01:12:50 < boB_K7IQ> https://www.eenewseurope.com/news/strike-calls-continue-stmicroelectronics-france?fbclid=IwAR2cMbmL_RFQ9KAFoJn8XaSb9DgQkoTUfK95AxTIqoN1vwTIzqs-jST5-RU#
2020-11-28T01:16:25 < karlp> how many are you trying to buy?!
2020-11-28T01:16:46 < karlp> I mean, if htat's affecting you, you should already have a relationship with your fae?
2020-11-28T01:19:07 < boB_K7IQ> I don't know yet.  Just heard about it today.  Told purchasing to be on the alert.  We use a lot of ST parts though.  Distribution should have plenty but who knows ?
2020-11-28T01:19:43 < Steffanx> Not my issue anyway, im not the one to buy parts :P
2020-11-28T01:19:50 < boB_K7IQ> I don't think we have an ST FAE around here.  Just apps guys in the distributers if even that
2020-11-28T01:20:03 < Steffanx> nor the one to tell the clients we cannot make their products
2020-11-28T01:20:26 < Steffanx> Just say: COVID and its alright.
2020-11-28T01:20:29 < boB_K7IQ> I'm not purchasing either but it is part my company so I have to be interested at least
2020-11-28T01:21:14 < boB_K7IQ> Anyway, just thought it might be of interest here since it is an STM32 channel
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2020-11-28T01:22:24 < Steffanx> haha yeah, thanks. We'll see ;)
2020-11-28T01:23:05 < boB_K7IQ> What this may mean is that the price may possibly go up unless ST doesn't mind making less profit
2020-11-28T01:23:26 < boB_K7IQ> I'm not sure what this French "CAD" group is exactly.
2020-11-28T01:23:47 < boB_K7IQ> Engineering maybe ?  Or not
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2020-11-28T01:24:53 < Steffanx> https://www.cad-st.org/ 
2020-11-28T01:27:46 < Ultrastaffel> it's france.
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2020-11-28T01:28:43 < boB_K7IQ> Thanks.  Still not sure what "CAD" means in this context
2020-11-28T01:30:20 < boB_K7IQ> The 3 unions...    https://evertiq.com/design/49063
2020-11-28T01:32:40 < karlp> how would the price change?
2020-11-28T01:32:57 < karlp> I mean, yes, distos could start scalping...
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2020-11-28T06:14:07 < kiki_lamb> what peripheral would I need to read an SD card using the non-SPI SD protocol? Not SDIO, right?
2020-11-28T06:24:19 < emeb_mac> The SDIO periph will allow access to SD cards using the full 4-bit protocol.
2020-11-28T06:26:13 < kiki_lamb> Ahhh, alright.. I was thinking it was just for the actual SDIO extension to the SD standard, perhaps
2020-11-28T06:26:36 < kiki_lamb> Thanks, I'll read that chapter of the reference manual then.
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2020-11-28T13:35:09 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gviIbLw2AU musics
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2020-11-28T14:20:18 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WXKXoiZo3Y jungle for all jungle heads
2020-11-28T14:20:34 < kakium69> propper 45min mix
2020-11-28T14:24:03 < Steffanx> Meh
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2020-11-28T17:16:09 < qyx> karlp: solved my PCIe bad contact issue
2020-11-28T17:16:15 < qyx> https://www.eurocircuits.com/wp-content/uploads/ec2015/ecImage/edge%20connector%20dimensions.png
2020-11-28T17:17:31 < qyx> I had to shear the edge a bit
2020-11-28T17:18:08 < qyx> for Molex connectors it is not a problem but FCI ones don't work if the shape is not exactly as drawn on the picture
2020-11-28T17:24:47 < Steffanx> Interesting, so in the end it didn't go deep enough?
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2020-11-28T17:56:28 < qyx> probably the pins inside the female connector (the FCI one) were at wrong angle or something like that
2020-11-28T17:57:08 < qyx> so they were pushed apart by the nonstandard width of the pcb edge
2020-11-28T17:59:30 < zyp> ah
2020-11-28T17:59:35 < zyp> makes sense
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2020-11-28T18:35:04 < upgrdman> linux pros: in my crontab, i have a line that looks like this: 0 * * * * someCommand -foo `bar`            but it doesn't work. if i copy and paste that line into bash, it works. does cron not support `` stuff?
2020-11-28T18:35:47 < qyx> no, missing or wrong $PATH
2020-11-28T18:35:57 < qyx> try with full path to someCommand
2020-11-28T18:36:18 < zyp> does cron even try doing path lookup?
2020-11-28T18:36:26 < srk> use systemd timer :)
2020-11-28T18:36:27 < qyx> apparently sometimes yes
2020-11-28T18:36:32 < zyp> I'm of the impression that you always need the full path
2020-11-28T18:36:37 < qyx> but idk when so I always use full paths
2020-11-28T18:36:38 < effractur> cron just runs it in $SHELL
2020-11-28T18:36:45 < effractur> so depening on what $SHELL Is
2020-11-28T18:38:02 < upgrdman> oh, i think i found the problem. seems i need to escape any % in the command
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2020-11-28T20:21:36 < Thorn> what's the difference between max hold and positive trace detector modes in a spectrum analyzer?
2020-11-28T20:28:24 < jpa-> you mean positive peak detector?
2020-11-28T20:29:31 < Thorn> "positive trace detector mode" in advantest english
2020-11-28T20:32:13 < jpa-> reading https://siglentna.com/application-note/spectrum-analyzer-basics-detectors/ and https://ham.stackexchange.com/questions/10043/spectrum-analyzer-using-max-hold-for-peak-detection-of-a-burst-signal   it sounds like "trace detector" operates during the dwell time, i.e. the few milliseconds it spends at each frequency; max hold operates between consecutive traces, but inside each trace the dwell time is 
2020-11-28T20:32:13 < jpa-> averaged
2020-11-28T20:32:24 < Thorn> normal mode is positive+negative btw
2020-11-28T20:32:51 < Thorn> available modes are pos+neg, pos, neg and sample
2020-11-28T20:33:09 < jpa-> yeah, first link explains them
2020-11-28T20:33:11 < Thorn> max hold turns on positive mode, some measurement functions turn on sample mode
2020-11-28T20:33:18 < Thorn> ok thanks reading
2020-11-28T20:36:01 < jpa-> time for some market research: would you dare hang this contraption on your bnc port, or would you prefer it inline with a short cable?  https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/scope_isolator.jpg
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2020-11-28T20:56:22 < zyp> don't you get male-male BNC adapters?
2020-11-28T20:56:34 < zyp> the BNC on the scope is female, right?
2020-11-28T20:57:03 < zyp> so put a female on your contraption as well, then it's optional whether you use an adapter to hang it directly to the scope or a cable in between
2020-11-28T20:59:18 < jpa-> yeah, i've been considering that; but the male-male adapter is pretty long, so hanging on scope gets even longer that way
2020-11-28T21:00:56 < jpa-> but the male and female connector fit the same footprint and enclosure, so it is only a matter of assembling one or the other, and yeah, for the inline with cable i'd assemble female on the isolator also
2020-11-28T21:02:10 < Steffanx> More imporantly: Will the isolator it come with another USB-A port so i can power the next isolator from the same usb port of the scope.
2020-11-28T21:03:29 < zyp> was thinking the same
2020-11-28T21:03:46 < jpa-> i thought it might be better to split at the single usb-a port instead of daisy-chaining
2020-11-28T21:04:45 < jpa-> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-3-Port-USB-2-0-Rotate-Splitter-Adapter-Hub-for-PC-Laptop-Notebook-Black-GM/114296716326?hash=item1a9c9d7c26:g:qpYAAOSwA1NdPqRE   something like this, if the scope is smart enough one could still use usb stick for saving also
2020-11-28T21:04:56 < Steffanx> Isnt daisy  chaining pretty common? The few differential probes ive seen do that
2020-11-28T21:06:53 < jpa-> maybe.. usb-c daisy-chaining gets pretty complex though if one wants to follow standards
2020-11-28T21:07:57 < Steffanx> long live USB-C? :P
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2020-11-28T21:12:55 < jpa-> heh, looks like rigol not only does not support usb hubs, it also gets so confused about them that usb sticks don't get recognized before reboot
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2020-11-28T21:14:32 < Steffanx> Doesnt it just run lunix?
2020-11-28T21:15:32 < jpa-> AFAIK yeah, but maybe their "detect usb device connected" algorithm isn't very smart
2020-11-28T21:15:55 < machinehum> join /hydroponics
2020-11-28T21:15:59 < machinehum> fuck
2020-11-28T21:16:08 < machinehum> You guys know where I'm going now
2020-11-28T21:16:31 < Steffanx> should i join you now machinehum?
2020-11-28T21:16:47 < jpa-> you're gonna visit Steffanx and buy some weed seeds?
2020-11-28T21:16:53 < machinehum> There's only 7 nicks
2020-11-28T21:17:23 < machinehum> I do need some seeds
2020-11-28T21:17:31 < Steffanx> Feminized cannabis seeds?
2020-11-28T21:17:40 < machinehum> Yeah
2020-11-28T21:17:58 < machinehum> Working on a little Bonsai weed hydroponic units
2020-11-28T21:18:13 < machinehum> Grow light goes up an down with a motor
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2020-11-28T22:01:12 < BrainDamage> why changing the height?
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2020-11-28T22:27:47 < t4nk_freenode> Steffanx, ... stop insulting the commodore legacy
2020-11-28T22:27:58 < t4nk_freenode> don't call it lunix unless you mean it
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2020-11-28T22:50:17 < Steffanx> lunix.
2020-11-28T22:51:10 < BrainDamage> luuuUUUuuunix ( spoken like dracula in castlevania )
2020-11-28T22:51:24 < Steffanx> btw jpa-. Resistors, capacitors, inductors. Why didnt you go for proper finnish names like all the other organizer/folders?
2020-11-28T22:53:23 < qyx> wat, is there a photo?
2020-11-28T22:54:22 < Steffanx> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/scope_isolator.jpg
2020-11-28T22:55:42 < Steffanx> Mikropiiri :)
2020-11-28T23:12:26 < kakium69> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IkRKFtCR3I-DVYsSbqgd7KDMevEVh7eQ/view?usp=sharing
2020-11-28T23:12:34 < kakium69> bulk storage system
2020-11-28T23:13:22 < kakium69> there is another row behind front ones
2020-11-28T23:14:21 < srk> active scope isolator?! 
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2020-11-28T23:45:39 < karlp> qyx: what was the rpoblem? you had genric not hard gold finger pcbs and they weren't working in the fci, but worked in the molex? and you had to grind the edge a bit to make it angled?
2020-11-28T23:46:22 < qyx> exactly
2020-11-28T23:46:37 < qyx> first I though the problem is with the lack of gol
2020-11-28T23:46:41 < qyx> d
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2020-11-28T23:48:49 < karlp> hrm, did you get 1.6mm pcbs or what? I remember seeing different sockets for different pcb thicknesses
2020-11-28T23:49:04 < karlp> but yar, I guess the bottom of them might have different contact construction
2020-11-28T23:49:25  * karlp goes to check what part he used
2020-11-28T23:51:15 < qyx> hm, yeah, maybe they were meant to be used for 1.5 mm
2020-11-28T23:51:38 < qyx> I have jlcpcb proto with HASL, it is somewhat thicker than 1.5, maybe 1.56 or so
2020-11-28T23:51:46 < qyx> oh wait, I can measure it
2020-11-28T23:51:54 < karlp> amphenol 10018783
2020-11-28T23:51:55 < qyx> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/f2gQr.JPG
2020-11-28T23:52:03 < karlp> not like we've done heavy use with it though
2020-11-28T23:52:28 < karlp> I've got two assembled, use one of the mostly for the sneaky other use of the board I put on the other side of it
2020-11-28T23:52:53 < qyx> oh it is 1.69 mm
2020-11-28T23:52:59 < qyx> how could that happen
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2020-11-28T23:58:08 < kakium69> how about the connector edge?
2020-11-28T23:58:30 < kakium69> I think it's 1.6mm with bare copper or so
2020-11-28T23:59:00 < kakium69> everything that is added on top of that copper adds to that 1.6mm
2020-11-28T23:59:14 < kakium69> not sure though
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2020-11-29T00:43:50 < rajkosto> what are the Bs
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2020-11-29T00:46:37 < kakium69> qyx: can you remind what that board is?
2020-11-29T00:46:57 < qyx> a can interface board
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2020-11-29T00:47:30 < kakium69> ah
2020-11-29T00:48:00 < kakium69> protection features look propper
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2020-11-29T00:50:58 < qyx> it is a proto, there are some non proper 1R resistors
2020-11-29T00:51:04 < kakium69> yes
2020-11-29T00:51:40 < kakium69> what is that bourns chip? TVS I assume?
2020-11-29T00:52:43 < apathy> qyx: what is that?
2020-11-29T00:52:45 < qyx> transient blocking unit, overcurrent
2020-11-29T00:52:58 < qyx> 23:46 < qyx> a can interface board
2020-11-29T00:53:31 < kakium69> ah so TVS + something else
2020-11-29T00:53:53 < apathy> qyx: what is the pcie shit for?
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2020-11-29T00:54:16 < karlp> magic not pcie :)
2020-11-29T00:54:16 < apathy> you're always making stuff that has this same form factor. what is it all for/
2020-11-29T00:54:40 < qyx> those are extensions to a daq system
2020-11-29T00:54:42 < zyp> modular measurement and logging thing
2020-11-29T00:55:01 < qyx> the proto with backplane is in operation now
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2020-11-29T00:56:39 < qyx> kakium69: theres a TI or some other appnote for doing proper CAN/RS485 protections, basically it is a spark gap, transient blocking unit, TVS and a common mode filter with 10R series resistors
2020-11-29T00:57:59 < aandrew> sounds right
2020-11-29T00:58:38 < qyx> I hope so
2020-11-29T00:58:52 < qyx> I am curious what will lighing do on a 250m CAN cable on a bridge
2020-11-29T00:58:58 < qyx> *lighting
2020-11-29T00:59:26 < aandrew> nothing you put on the line will protect against a direct hit
2020-11-29T00:59:40 < aandrew> but close calls will be mitigated well with what you've described
2020-11-29T00:59:48 < aandrew> although what is the difference between "transient blocking unit" and TVS
2020-11-29T00:59:57 < karlp> how much you paid?
2020-11-29T01:00:00 < qyx> TBU is in series to block overcurent
2020-11-29T01:00:07 < qyx> TVS is in parallel to block overvoltage
2020-11-29T01:00:10 < aandrew> just make usre the TVS is high wattage to dissipate while the spark gap or GDT does its thing
2020-11-29T01:00:17 < aandrew> aha
2020-11-29T01:00:37 < qyx> karlp: what for
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2020-11-29T01:01:30 < aandrew> also make sure whatever you've got up front to clip the voltage has leads long enough (and traces spaced far enough) so that the transient doesn't just jump over the part
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2020-11-29T01:01:44 < karlp> we onyl use common mode and tvs I think, would have to check the schematic, but we also generally only expect to be short distances connected to our own stuff
2020-11-29T01:02:03 < karlp> I think serious, "connect anything, we have no idea" does isolated front ends
2020-11-29T01:02:43 < qyx> thats true
2020-11-29T01:03:00 < aandrew> I designed an automotive grade protected set of DIO
2020-11-29T01:03:20 < aandrew> basically could survive not only a load dump but also someone plugging 120VAC into it continuous-duty
2020-11-29T01:03:30 < karlp> fuck designing for that environment :)
2020-11-29T01:03:37 < qyx> but in this case GND is on the same potential as PE and the sensors are powered by this board only, so basically no need for isolation
2020-11-29T01:03:47 < aandrew> it was intended not only for automotive but also for traction (trains)
2020-11-29T01:05:18 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/nOmLyMf that shit still pisses me off
2020-11-29T01:06:07 < zyp> what shit? inconsistent ordering?
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2020-11-29T01:06:17 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/mB6mmTU <-- the protected IO
2020-11-29T01:06:34 < qyx> fuk imgur, no worky here for some reason
2020-11-29T01:06:36 < aandrew> well, part of it, where's the rest of it
2020-11-29T01:06:36 < karlp> aandrew got burnt once before copy/pasting chunks of pins annd having the order change
2020-11-29T01:06:44 < aandrew> not chunks of pins
2020-11-29T01:07:13 < aandrew> went from one footprint to another, and the schematic symbols changed (less pins) but the FUCKING SWITCHED THE ORDER on the schematic symbols for two pins
2020-11-29T01:07:21 < aandrew> they*
2020-11-29T01:07:32 < zyp> they who? who made the symbols?
2020-11-29T01:07:40 < qyx> haha lol
2020-11-29T01:07:50 < karlp> where are the actual ios on that automotive order?
2020-11-29T01:07:56 < aandrew> Altium's "guranteed correct" parts in vault
2020-11-29T01:08:04 < karlp> it is correct
2020-11-29T01:08:12 < karlp> you just assumed correct meant consistent ;)
2020-11-29T01:08:16 < aandrew> oh there we are: https://imgur.com/GBc1new (I/O)  and https://imgur.com/mB6mmTU (supply for I/O)
2020-11-29T01:08:19 < karlp> and you can just plug the new one into the same nets :)
2020-11-29T01:08:24 < aandrew> yeah
2020-11-29T01:08:27 < aandrew> lesson fucking learned
2020-11-29T01:09:15 < zyp> wmakes sense
2020-11-29T01:09:57 < zyp> correct is the bare fucking minimum for a symbol, it just means that the labeled functions in schematic matches up with the actual physical pins they are on :p
2020-11-29T01:10:12 < aandrew> yeah I hear ya
2020-11-29T01:10:20 < aandrew> ultimately it's my fuckup
2020-11-29T01:10:38 < zyp> well, yeah
2020-11-29T01:11:05 < zyp> I've reviewed schematics and not managing to catch that people made incorrect symbols :)
2020-11-29T01:12:15 < karlp> weird.  openwrt httpd is only accepting the first 6k of my http post...
2020-11-29T01:12:23 < karlp> I wonder what has gone bang somewhere
2020-11-29T01:12:44 < zyp> posted this before, but this is what you get to do when you are lazy during schematic review: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/onqan.jpg
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2020-11-29T01:14:18 < rajkosto> thicc copper
2020-11-29T01:14:43 < qyx> precise work
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2020-11-29T01:15:26 < qyx> whatst that  micrel thing
2020-11-29T01:17:04 < zyp> it's the ethernet switch chip that I can't get to work properly in low latency repeater mode
2020-11-29T01:17:15 < zyp> ksz8893 or something
2020-11-29T01:17:37 < qyx> I tried 8093 but only 8091 exists
2020-11-29T01:18:16 < qyx> oh is that the low latency quasi bridge switch?
2020-11-29T01:18:54 < zyp> it's a switch chip with a config bit to bypass the switching and act as a dumb hub
2020-11-29T01:19:07 < zyp> and it doesn't behave when I try enabling that
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2020-11-29T02:41:46 < mawk> https://tricks.serveur.io/getchar-with-no-need-to-press-enter.html
2020-11-29T02:41:48 < mawk> I wrote this
2020-11-29T02:41:54 < mawk> I'm going to become a famous blogger
2020-11-29T02:43:51 < qyx> th emore interesting part is the pelican
2020-11-29T02:43:52 < qyx> wehats that
2020-11-29T02:45:36 < mawk> lol
2020-11-29T02:45:48 < mawk> it's a python thing to generate a blog from markdown files
2020-11-29T02:45:54 < mawk> https://gitlab.serveur.io/nicolas/site/-/blob/master/content/articles/getchar.md
2020-11-29T02:46:00 < mawk> this is the source code of the article
2020-11-29T02:46:09 < mawk> I commit and push it, and it appears automatically on the site
2020-11-29T02:46:18 < mawk> from the gitlab CI pipeline
2020-11-29T02:47:05 < qyx> yeah I used something similar in the past with some php magic
2020-11-29T02:47:25 < qyx> and php markdown parser glued to bootstrap theme
2020-11-29T02:47:31 < mawk> ah nice
2020-11-29T02:47:31 < qyx> and some rewrites
2020-11-29T02:47:49 < mawk> here it's markdown with a bunch of extensions
2020-11-29T02:47:50 < qyx> it was parsed dynamically though
2020-11-29T02:47:58 < mawk> but I mainly need syntax highlighting and mathjax
2020-11-29T02:49:07 < mawk> I'll put code, maths and religion on it
2020-11-29T02:49:10 < mawk> my three loves
2020-11-29T02:49:26 < qyx> uhm
2020-11-29T02:49:36 < qyx> and wheres your ua girl
2020-11-29T02:50:00 < mawk> lol
2020-11-29T02:50:07 < mawk> she needs to remain secret
2020-11-29T02:50:43 < mawk> maybe I'll write somewhere "dedicated to A." and since my official gf has a name in A. too she won't notice a thing
2020-11-29T02:51:53 < mawk> I mean, anti-religion
2020-11-29T02:51:56 < mawk> religion isn't my love
2020-11-29T02:52:25 < qyx> poh so you have an official gw besides the .ua one?
2020-11-29T02:52:31 < qyx> gf
2020-11-29T02:53:14 < qyx> is she anna, anastazia, anita, what else sounds easternish
2020-11-29T02:54:52 < kakium69> gf
2020-11-29T02:56:34 < mawk> anita sounds portuguese
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2020-11-29T02:58:27 < mawk> yes qyx but not really
2020-11-29T02:58:32 < mawk> it's a bit complex
2020-11-29T02:58:37 < qyx> aha
2020-11-29T02:58:50 < mawk> anyway I'm not polygam 
2020-11-29T02:58:55 < mawk> only one of them is in my heart
2020-11-29T02:59:11 < mawk> the other one is pending imminent termination
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2020-11-29T03:02:39 < mawk> it's not a love triangle it's a love rectangle
2020-11-29T03:03:10 < mawk> the idea solution would be that official gf, and .ua's husband get together, but I'm not sure they would accept
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2020-11-29T03:05:57 < qyx> haha
2020-11-29T03:06:05 < qyx> I know one sich rectangle
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2020-11-29T03:08:27 < mawk> the trick is to use rubbing alcohol to remove her perfume when coming home
2020-11-29T03:08:33 < mawk> it also works for joint smell on the hands
2020-11-29T03:08:51 < mawk> that's why I always carry a bottle
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2020-11-29T04:10:43 < qyx> tme has deleted my shopping card during work
2020-11-29T04:10:45  * qyx angr
2020-11-29T04:10:56 < qyx> cart
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2020-11-29T11:02:46 < emeryth> qyx: you're supposed to add your parts to favourites and only add them to your order once you're done
2020-11-29T11:04:36 < emeryth> and I think they even move your cart to favorites instead of deleting it
2020-11-29T11:06:08 < jpa-> and send email about it :P
2020-11-29T11:18:21 < qyx> yeah, you make a new order at 02:00
2020-11-29T11:18:51 < qyx> they delete it at 02:30 and you are O_o where is your stuff
2020-11-29T11:20:03 < qyx> you start invoking all norse gods and furiously clicking to add your items back
2020-11-29T11:20:16 < qyx> because the items are saved nowhere
2020-11-29T11:20:28 < qyx> hour later an email appears
2020-11-29T11:21:01 < qyx> in a style "oh hai, in case you didn't have anything to do the last hour, we saved your deleted items JUST NOW, here they are!"
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2020-11-29T13:17:52 < jpa-> qyx: shopping in a webshop in the middle of the night? outrageous!
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2020-11-29T16:10:33 < Steffanx> hm
2020-11-29T16:11:30 < mawk> Steffanx: 
2020-11-29T16:11:32 < mawk> look at my site
2020-11-29T16:11:36 < mawk> https://tricks.serveur.io/getchar-with-no-need-to-press-enter.html
2020-11-29T16:11:49 < Steffanx> such blog
2020-11-29T16:12:10 < mawk> I am on the road to fame
2020-11-29T16:12:29 < Steffanx> but will this work on my stm32?
2020-11-29T16:12:41 < mawk> yes
2020-11-29T16:13:57 < mawk> look I used goto to piss off theoretical programmers
2020-11-29T16:14:40 < mawk> I push markdown here: https://gitlab.serveur.io/nicolas/site/-/blob/master/content/articles/programming/getchar-with-no-need-to-press-enter.md
2020-11-29T16:14:53 < mawk> then magic pipeline runs: https://gitlab.serveur.io/nicolas/site/-/pipelines/20
2020-11-29T16:14:55 < mawk> and updates the site
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2020-11-29T18:38:04 < dreamer> hi all, anyone tips on how to flash a BluePill over serial? (on linux)
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2020-11-29T18:38:37 < dreamer> I have a hex file from http://sound-force.nl/?page_id=3179
2020-11-29T18:39:13 < PaulFertser> dreamer: easy with stm32flash
2020-11-29T18:39:26 < PaulFertser> dreamer: do you have any specific issue with it?
2020-11-29T18:39:38 < dreamer> I have it installed, but I'm really not sure what flags/settings to use :)
2020-11-29T18:40:26 < dreamer> with stm32flash all I get is `Failed to init device.`
2020-11-29T18:40:43 < dreamer> I have enabled the BOOT0 jumper
2020-11-29T18:41:07 < dreamer> for the rest I have no clue what 'm doing, hence coming in here :D
2020-11-29T18:41:47 < PaulFertser> dreamer: what UART adapter are you using?
2020-11-29T18:42:15 < dreamer> it is a very cheap/old FT232RL that was nearby. I think I have ony of those CP* ones somewhere as well
2020-11-29T18:42:50 < apathy> stm32flash is flaky af
2020-11-29T18:43:25 < PaulFertser> dreamer: ft232r should be ok. How do you connect it and do you power the target board?
2020-11-29T18:43:31 < PaulFertser> apathy: not in my experience
2020-11-29T18:43:58 < dreamer> I haven't put separate power on the board, but the LEDs are on
2020-11-29T18:44:09 < dreamer> never used it, I guess there is a blink patch on because one of the LEDs is blinking ..
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2020-11-29T18:44:49 < PaulFertser> dreamer: so the board side jumper must be at 1, and the other jumper at 0. What pins exactly do you connect where?
2020-11-29T18:45:13 < dreamer> pins A9 and A10
2020-11-29T18:45:21 < dreamer> on tx/rx (tried both combos)
2020-11-29T18:46:34 < PaulFertser> dreamer: pa9 should be connected to your adapter's rx, pa10 to tx.
2020-11-29T18:46:43 < PaulFertser> dreamer: also ground should be connected between the adapter and the target
2020-11-29T18:46:56 < dreamer> other uart device I have is a "ch341-uart"
2020-11-29T18:46:58 < PaulFertser> dreamer: and connect it to USB to power the target.
2020-11-29T18:47:02 < dreamer> PaulFertser: yes, gnd and vcc are connected
2020-11-29T18:47:07 < PaulFertser> dreamer: I suggest sticking to ft232r
2020-11-29T18:47:49 < PaulFertser> dreamer: I suggest you connect Vcc (with proper BOOTx settings) and only then attach adapter's Tx to board's PA10.
2020-11-29T18:49:30 < dreamer> so, what should my stm32flash line look like?
2020-11-29T18:49:44 < dreamer> I tried with `stm32flash -w braids.hex -v -g 0x0 /dev/ttyUSB0`
2020-11-29T18:50:30 < PaulFertser> dreamer: first thing is usually to run it with "-k"
2020-11-29T18:51:01 < PaulFertser> dreamer: -g shouldn't be needed/there
2020-11-29T18:51:27 < dreamer> mja, can't get beyond "Failed to init device."
2020-11-29T18:51:43 < PaulFertser> dreamer: of course
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2020-11-29T18:51:50 < PaulFertser> dreamer: check all your connections and power sequencing
2020-11-29T18:52:10 < PaulFertser> dreamer: I hope you're not powering the target board from FT232R's weak 3V3 regulator.
2020-11-29T18:52:37 < dreamer> no, it's from vcc
2020-11-29T18:52:39 < PaulFertser> dreamer: as it basically should be used only for Vccio.
2020-11-29T18:53:01 < PaulFertser> dreamer: do you mean 5 V? Are you attaching it to the bluepill's Vcc?
2020-11-29T18:53:36 < dreamer> the vcc output of the ft232rl is 5V yes
2020-11-29T18:53:49 < dreamer> and I connect it to 5v pin on the bluepill
2020-11-29T18:54:01 < PaulFertser> dreamer: ok, that sounds sane then
2020-11-29T18:54:22 < PaulFertser> dreamer: are you sure Vccio of the ftdi chip is getting 3.3 V from somewhere?
2020-11-29T18:54:39 < dreamer> isn't* ?
2020-11-29T18:56:21 < dreamer> the header on the ft232 is set to 5V anyway
2020-11-29T18:57:05 < dreamer> and my multimeter confirms :P
2020-11-29T18:57:33 < PaulFertser> dreamer: ft232r can't use any other UART voltage but 3.0--3.6.
2020-11-29T19:07:57 < dreamer> oh like that. I thought you meant the vcc
2020-11-29T19:08:08 < dreamer> well yeah it should be 3.3v I guess
2020-11-29T19:08:17 < dreamer> so, no clue what's going wrong then
2020-11-29T19:08:54  * dreamer try the other serial device
2020-11-29T19:15:01 < qyx> btw, I didn't manage to get it working on PA9/PA10 too recently
2020-11-29T19:15:16 < qyx> using CP2102N, STM32L432
2020-11-29T19:15:27 < qyx> with stm32flash, failed to init device too
2020-11-29T19:15:40 < qyx> I somewhat expected it to just work
2020-11-29T19:16:23 < qyx> I browsed AN2606 several times, checked common things, didn't scope te serial though
2020-11-29T19:20:20 < dreamer> meh, same
2020-11-29T19:21:51 < PaulFertser> dreamer: don't know buddy, works fine for me on all devices I tried
2020-11-29T19:23:27 < qyx> lets try with a nucleo
2020-11-29T19:23:46 < dreamer> so I'm just doing a `stm32flash -k /dev/ttyUSB0` right?
2020-11-29T19:24:01 < PaulFertser> dreamer: yes
2020-11-29T19:24:14 < qyx> whats the -k for
2020-11-29T19:24:16 < qyx> is is needed?
2020-11-29T19:24:25 < PaulFertser> qyx: my bluepill was write-protected
2020-11-29T19:24:28 < PaulFertser> So needed mass erase
2020-11-29T19:28:49 < qyx> whats that |$%^#$ mass-storage process
2020-11-29T19:28:56 < qyx> I had to reboot my lunix
2020-11-29T19:29:31 < mawk> what's that?
2020-11-29T19:30:01 < qyx> if it is a systemd component, I'll erase all this trash
2020-11-29T19:31:26 < dreamer> hehe
2020-11-29T19:31:57 < qyx> usb-storage that is
2020-11-29T19:33:36 < mawk> probably not yet, qyx 
2020-11-29T19:33:42 < mawk> I've not heard of a usb-storage daemon though
2020-11-29T19:33:47 < mawk> probably it's a helper from your DE
2020-11-29T19:33:56 < mawk> to help you mount without root pw
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2020-11-29T19:35:24 < qyx> so i connected boot0 to 3V3, reset the nucle
2020-11-29T19:35:32 < qyx> run stm32flash /dev/ttyACM0
2020-11-29T19:35:36 < qyx> and nothing yet
2020-11-29T19:35:40 < qyx> on, theres no crystal fitted
2020-11-29T19:36:02 < qyx> so I open AN2606 again
2020-11-29T19:36:49 < qyx> The HSI clock source is used at startup
2020-11-29T19:36:50 < qyx> (interface detection phase) and when
2020-11-29T19:36:51 < qyx> USART or SPI or I2C interface is selected
2020-11-29T19:36:56 < qyx> so no HSE is needed
2020-11-29T19:37:31 < qyx> ok, wrong pins, PA2/PA3 are not used, lets use PA9/PA10 then
2020-11-29T19:38:35 < qyx> running again, nothing
2020-11-29T19:38:57 < qyx> exchanging PA9/PA10just for the lulz, nothing
2020-11-29T19:41:18 < qyx> scoping TX, stm32flash sends a single character it seems, at 57600
2020-11-29T19:42:47 < karlp> mawk: I see you rewrote getch()
2020-11-29T19:43:07 < qyx> start bit at 0, seven 1s, one 0
2020-11-29T19:44:02 < qyx> thats 0x7f, like an2606 says
2020-11-29T19:45:17 < karlp> parity even isn't it?
2020-11-29T19:46:18 < qyx> Interface serial_posix: 57600 8E1
2020-11-29T19:46:19 < qyx> Failed to init device.
2020-11-29T19:46:23 < karlp> hehe
2020-11-29T19:46:26 < Steffanx> What nucleo is this?
2020-11-29T19:46:29 < qyx> yes
2020-11-29T19:46:38 < karlp> Steffanx: coolgetchar wont' work on stm32, as it needs termios
2020-11-29T19:46:54 < qyx> connected VCP to PA9/PA10, conencted BOOT0 to 3V3, thats all
2020-11-29T19:47:16 < Steffanx> Yeah, it was kinda a rhetorical question karlp ;)
2020-11-29T19:47:59 < Steffanx> Are you sure this type of bootloading is enabled qyx?
2020-11-29T19:48:36 < mawk> yes karlp 
2020-11-29T19:48:44 < qyx> I assumed it is part of stm32 system memory since ages
2020-11-29T19:48:49 < Steffanx> G0 for example comes with a nice config bit and "legacy" bootloading is not enabled by default.
2020-11-29T19:49:28 < Steffanx> Unless its empty and stuff so it does boot the bootloader
2020-11-29T19:50:11 < qyx> I know I am in the bootloader because my ELD doesn't blink anymore
2020-11-29T19:50:21 < Steffanx> alright
2020-11-29T19:50:33 < qyx> when I disconnect BOOT0 and press reset, it blinks again
2020-11-29T19:52:44 < qyx> and it doesn't have any USART2 on PD5/PD6 so I can't try that
2020-11-29T19:52:56 < mawk> qyx: https://tricks.serveur.io/last-digits-nested-power-sum.html
2020-11-29T19:53:02 < mawk> or was it zyp ? I don't remember
2020-11-29T19:53:07 < mawk> too many three letters nicks
2020-11-29T19:53:10 < qyx> it was zyp
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2020-11-29T19:54:35 < karlp> mawk: fix https://tricks.serveur.io/pages/about.html
2020-11-29T19:54:48 < mawk> I am a mysterious man
2020-11-29T19:55:16 < mawk> probably I'll remove this page, already too many people want to hurt me by tracking me down online
2020-11-29T19:55:41 < Steffanx> They can just ask me
2020-11-29T19:55:47 < mawk> :(
2020-11-29T19:55:51 < Steffanx> lol
2020-11-29T19:56:25 < mawk> I gave my first name, it's already enough
2020-11-29T19:57:31 < BrainDamage> I found a better solution than buying iot devices to monitor weather
2020-11-29T19:57:50 < Steffanx> weatheronline.com?
2020-11-29T19:57:51 < mawk> open the window?
2020-11-29T19:58:01 < BrainDamage> I just hooked an rtlsdr to monitor the 433MHz band, and my neighbours kindly provide the info to me
2020-11-29T19:58:07 < mawk> lol
2020-11-29T19:58:28 < mawk> if you buy a nrf52840 dongle and hook to your pc, you can sniff on all 2.4GHz traffic around you
2020-11-29T19:58:32 < mawk> including zigbee
2020-11-29T19:58:58 < dreamer> qyx: so, my stm is still blinking when I connect BOOT0
2020-11-29T19:59:06 < dreamer> so maybe something isn't right there ..
2020-11-29T19:59:12 < BrainDamage> good idea, thanks
2020-11-29T20:00:35 < dreamer> whatever setting I try it keeps blinking
2020-11-29T20:00:49 < qyx> connect boot0 to 3V3 and reset
2020-11-29T20:00:52 < qyx> still blinks?
2020-11-29T20:01:10 < qyx> which stm32 is that
2020-11-29T20:01:15 < dreamer> bluepill
2020-11-29T20:01:23 < qyx> that says me nothing
2020-11-29T20:01:44 < mawk> stm32f103c8t6
2020-11-29T20:01:46 < mawk> normally
2020-11-29T20:01:52 < mawk> unless it's the gd32 kind
2020-11-29T20:01:53 < qyx> oh the oldest garbage
2020-11-29T20:02:03 < mawk> yeah
2020-11-29T20:02:16 < qyx> I am curious when people start to buy something more recent
2020-11-29T20:02:31 < dreamer> to 3.3v it still blinks
2020-11-29T20:02:34 < dreamer> (after reset)
2020-11-29T20:02:47 < dreamer> I'm not using it for dev, it's part of a eurorack module I built
2020-11-29T20:02:49 < dreamer> not my choice
2020-11-29T20:02:59 < dreamer> http://sound-force.nl/?page_id=3179
2020-11-29T20:03:18 < mawk> wait what
2020-11-29T20:03:24 < mawk> someone is using bluepill shit commercially?
2020-11-29T20:03:43 < dreamer> I didn't say this was a commercial product
2020-11-29T20:03:52 < dreamer> we just got pcbs + panel
2020-11-29T20:04:05 < dreamer> I wouldn't really call it a "commercial product"
2020-11-29T20:05:12 < qyx> idk if you know but using a 3€ F303 for example instead of a 1€ F103 you would have both ADC and DAC on the MCU itself
2020-11-29T20:05:32 < qyx> adding another 3€ you get 24bit at 192 kHz
2020-11-29T20:05:47 < dreamer> ah good idea, I would have to build everything from scratch and ditch this work
2020-11-29T20:05:51 < dreamer> yeah, not going to happen.
2020-11-29T20:06:02 < qyx> nah
2020-11-29T20:06:10  * dreamer gets that there are ways to do other things with different hardware, but that is not the point atm
2020-11-29T20:06:23 < mawk> why do you say not my choice?
2020-11-29T20:06:26 < mawk> if you built it
2020-11-29T20:06:45 < dreamer> this is not my hw design
2020-11-29T20:06:47 < effractur> the bluepill stuff is cheap
2020-11-29T20:06:49 < dreamer> this is not my pcb+panel
2020-11-29T20:06:51 < effractur> good dev tools
2020-11-29T20:06:52 < dreamer> this is what it is
2020-11-29T20:06:54 < dreamer> I'd like to use it.
2020-11-29T20:06:56 < rajkosto> dont get the bluepill
2020-11-29T20:07:02 < rajkosto> the new usb-c blackpill with the f4 is way better now
2020-11-29T20:07:07 < dreamer> the problem is flashing the BP :P
2020-11-29T20:07:12 < rajkosto> not a problem with the blackpill
2020-11-29T20:07:18 < qyx> still the thing is the bootloader doesnt bootloads for dreamer and doesn't respond for me
2020-11-29T20:07:21 < rajkosto> has usb flash if you hold boot
2020-11-29T20:07:38 < effractur> rajkosto: yea or just get one of the dev boards from stm it self
2020-11-29T20:07:48 < rajkosto> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000103610226.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.8eab4c4d9eooAY i really like this
2020-11-29T20:07:55 < rajkosto> its smaller than old bluepill and blackpill too
2020-11-29T20:08:02 < rajkosto> and has nothing on the bottom
2020-11-29T20:08:25 < mawk> dreamer: boot0 needs to be 1, and boot1 needs to be 0
2020-11-29T20:08:32 < mawk> I don't know if boot1 is exposed on the board though
2020-11-29T20:08:57 < mawk> or just get a stlink already
2020-11-29T20:09:07 < mawk> maybe if option bits have been modified, you can't use the uart bootloader anymore
2020-11-29T20:09:28 < mawk> do you have another stm32 laying around dreamer ? a nucleo board?
2020-11-29T20:09:34 < effractur> you dan disable the bootloaders with some fuses right?
2020-11-29T20:09:41 < mawk> yes that's what I said by option bits
2020-11-29T20:09:52 < mawk> it's not fuses though, it's just bits in eeprom, it's reversible
2020-11-29T20:11:06 < dreamer> I do not havy any stm32 other than what is inside some devices hehe
2020-11-29T20:11:09 < dreamer> have*
2020-11-29T20:11:26 < Steffanx> So are the AVR "fuses" mawk.  :P
2020-11-29T20:11:28 < dreamer> like some http://www.axoloti.com/
2020-11-29T20:11:32 < mawk> dreamer: buy this https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/ST-LINK-V2?qs=H4BOwPtf9MC1sDQ8j3cy4w==
2020-11-29T20:11:49 < mawk> then don't worry about "uart bootloader" ever again
2020-11-29T20:11:56 < dreamer> I'm checking if a friend has one
2020-11-29T20:12:07 < dreamer> not going to order at mouser. that would be as expensive as this whole project has been so far
2020-11-29T20:12:17 < effractur> you have really cheap stlinks on laie
2020-11-29T20:12:18 < dreamer> for flashing a single device that's overkill for me ..
2020-11-29T20:12:28 < mawk> you will use it again in the future
2020-11-29T20:12:33 < dreamer> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laie,_Hawaii ?
2020-11-29T20:13:04 < mawk> the newer version is even cheaper: https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/?qs=mAH9sUMRCtvrXm%2FF%2FC0CYg%3D%3D
2020-11-29T20:13:09 < mawk> or you can get clones off aliexpress
2020-11-29T20:13:35 < effractur> https://aliexpress.com/item/1005001529110571.html
2020-11-29T20:13:37 < effractur> they work fine
2020-11-29T20:13:54 < Steffanx> Ask the openocd community about the v3, mawk
2020-11-29T20:13:57 < Steffanx> They love it
2020-11-29T20:13:58 < rajkosto> they need mods to be a full stlink tho
2020-11-29T20:13:59 < mawk> lol
2020-11-29T20:14:02 < mawk> I'm sure of that Steffanx 
2020-11-29T20:14:18 < Steffanx> No you're not.
2020-11-29T20:14:18 < effractur> or just buy a nucleo board
2020-11-29T20:14:24 < effractur> an you have a free stlink in there
2020-11-29T20:16:24 < qyx> Steffanx: is it bad or what? it works for me with openocd
2020-11-29T20:17:41 < qyx> enough caps? https://bin.jvnv.net/file/MIfAY/Screenshot_2020-11-29_19-17-24.png
2020-11-29T20:27:14 < PaulFertser> qyx: v3 doesn't work with non-ST targets, apparently on purpose.
2020-11-29T20:28:19 < qyx> I am safe then
2020-11-29T20:29:30 < mawk> they said they won't fix it PaulFertser ?
2020-11-29T20:29:37 < mawk> and even when you use the DAP API directly?
2020-11-29T20:29:39 < mawk> and not hla
2020-11-29T20:31:07 < PaulFertser> mawk: they said they do not care, and not working even with the DAP API, yes.
2020-11-29T20:31:30 < mawk> uh
2020-11-29T20:32:00 < mawk> but they advertise JTAG/SWD, that's almost fraud then
2020-11-29T20:32:31 < mawk> I can borrow the signature of one of the lawyers in my family to compell them to give a proper answer maybe
2020-11-29T20:33:26 < qyx> they say it in the first section of their user manual
2020-11-29T20:33:36 < qyx> that it is a programmer for STM32 and STM8
2020-11-29T20:34:19 < mawk> bad will never killed anyone in legal areas
2020-11-29T20:34:29 < mawk> and anyway if it's not proeminently displayed, it's moot
2020-11-29T20:34:40 < mawk> it doesn't matter if it's at page 849 of reference manual, it must be proeminently displayed
2020-11-29T20:35:53 < PaulFertser> "The STLINK-V3SET is a modular stand-alone debugging and programming probe for the STM8 and STM32 microcontrollers."
2020-11-29T20:36:11 < PaulFertser> "The STLINK-V3MINI is a stand-alone debugging and programming mini probe for STM32 microcontrollers."
2020-11-29T20:36:26 < PaulFertser> "The JTAG/SWD interfaces are used to communicate with any STM32 microcontroller located on an application board."
2020-11-29T20:36:48 < mawk> you view this with your technical eyes PaulFertser 
2020-11-29T20:37:01 < mawk> try to read it again with the most bad will possible, i.e. what a judge would do
2020-11-29T20:37:49 < PaulFertser> mawk: it says "for the ..." specifically, doesn't seem to claim anything else
2020-11-29T20:38:17 < qyx> I can parse the sentence just fine, it is for stm32
2020-11-29T20:38:35 < qyx> try to put samaX there, can you?
2020-11-29T20:39:38 < mawk> it doesn't say it's only for that
2020-11-29T20:40:02 < mawk> so then if you find other standalone sentences like "JTAG support" or "SWD support", you can interpret it as supporting anything that talks SWD or JTAG
2020-11-29T20:42:18 < Steffanx> Good luck mawk
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2020-11-29T21:34:09 < dreamer> hah, I think I found out what was going wrong. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/stm32f103-bluepill/
2020-11-29T21:34:23 < dreamer> for now I just jumped R1 (100k) with a bit of wire. supposedly it should be 10K
2020-11-29T21:35:11 < dreamer> although, I still get `Failed to init device.` -_-
2020-11-29T21:35:51 < dreamer> ah, tx/rx reversed :)
2020-11-29T21:36:19 < dreamer> so, now to figure out how to burn this hex file -_-
2020-11-29T21:36:55 < dreamer> hmm, simply `stm32flash -w braids.hex -v /dev/ttyUSB0` perhaps?
2020-11-29T21:37:36 < dreamer> it is doing something. wooooh
2020-11-29T21:38:00 < dreamer> almost: `Wrote and verified address 0x08014000 (70.30%) Failed to verify at address 0x08014000, expected 0x72 and found 0x30`
2020-11-29T21:38:20 < effractur> try again :P
2020-11-29T21:38:59 < dreamer> pffft
2020-11-29T21:39:25 < qyx> so what was the problem?
2020-11-29T21:39:45 < dreamer> qyx: BOOT0 resistor should possibly be 10K instead of 100K
2020-11-29T21:39:51 < dreamer> for now I just removed the resistor and jumped it
2020-11-29T21:39:57 < dreamer> effractur: same error
2020-11-29T21:40:31 < qyx> boot0?
2020-11-29T21:40:32 < dreamer> can try without verifying and hope for the best? :P
2020-11-29T21:40:38 < qyx> theres usially a resistor to ground
2020-11-29T21:41:37 < qyx> dreamer: 0x14000 is beyond 64K
2020-11-29T21:41:46 < qyx> yre you sure you have 128K?
2020-11-29T21:42:03 < dreamer> https://pastebin.com/xdEZy1ze
2020-11-29T21:44:01 < effractur> dreamer: maybe first do a full erease / flash read protection disable thingy?
2020-11-29T21:44:18 < dreamer> yeah I did a `-u` and a `-k`
2020-11-29T21:44:28 < dreamer> and still the same
2020-11-29T21:44:32 < dreamer> how do you do a full erase?
2020-11-29T21:45:17 < dreamer> -o ?
2020-11-29T21:46:11 < effractur> yea
2020-11-29T21:46:16 < effractur> i thnk so
2020-11-29T21:46:19 < dreamer> ok, did that too now
2020-11-29T21:47:36 < dreamer> same. meh.
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2020-11-29T21:48:27 < PaulFertser> dreamer: only original stm32f103 have 128k and you have a clone.
2020-11-29T21:50:20 < dreamer> so it reports the wrong size?
2020-11-29T21:50:43 < dreamer> without verify it says it wrote the whole thing
2020-11-29T21:51:00 < effractur> well if it is a clone with only 64k
2020-11-29T21:51:05 < effractur> it reports it has 128
2020-11-29T21:51:10 < effractur> and then it "Writes" it
2020-11-29T21:51:23 < dreamer> hmm
2020-11-29T22:04:24 < dreamer> any recommended shops for 128k versions then? pref not insane shipping prices and/or lead-times :#
2020-11-29T22:04:45 < effractur> in waht formfactor?
2020-11-29T22:05:16 < dreamer> en exactly the same formfactor as I have
2020-11-29T22:05:22 < dreamer> otherwise it wouldn't fit the project ..
2020-11-29T22:07:30 < effractur> mm and how much larger is the codesize?
2020-11-29T22:07:39 < effractur> becasue if it is a little to much you can optimize it away
2020-11-29T22:07:42 < effractur> or is it just a blbok
2020-11-29T22:08:04 < dreamer> I have a hex file
2020-11-29T22:08:18 < dreamer> and I'm not intending to rewrite the code
2020-11-29T22:10:51 < PaulFertser> Probably you just need to use LTO and fix it a bit to fit
2020-11-29T22:14:26 < dreamer> LTO ?
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2020-11-29T22:15:41 < dima> I guess it's link time optimisation
2020-11-29T22:16:15 < dreamer> ah
2020-11-29T22:17:46 < dreamer> I "think" this is the firmware: https://github.com/pierstu/braids_tht/tree/master/braids-stock-tht-build/braids
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2020-11-29T22:18:01 < dreamer> had to search for it since the dude doesn't have it on his own repo
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2020-11-29T22:19:58 < PaulFertser> dreamer: how about getting appropriate chips from digikey or other official dealer?
2020-11-29T22:20:58 < dreamer> what about it?
2020-11-29T22:21:06  * dreamer is a cheapskate, haven't you noticed? :P
2020-11-29T22:21:20 < dreamer> I don't want to spend 3x on shipping compared to the order amount
2020-11-29T22:25:06 < PaulFertser> The bin file is 97.9
2020-11-29T22:25:15 < PaulFertser> So unlikely to fit in 64 ever
2020-11-29T22:25:46 < dreamer> yes, so I have to find a 128k bluepill ~somewhere
2020-11-29T22:26:06 < PaulFertser> idk, probably ask on redding or stm32duino forums or something like that
2020-11-29T22:26:12 < PaulFertser> reddit
2020-11-29T22:26:17 < dreamer> ieuw, reddit.
2020-11-29T22:26:29 < dreamer> it's like all the worst parts about chat and a forum combined
2020-11-29T22:26:39 < PaulFertser> idk
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2020-11-29T23:16:04 < rajkosto> i member the days when all the chips on bluepills/blackpills were 128k cuz they were from ST
2020-11-29T23:16:27 < rajkosto> just buy the CB explicitly instead of the C8 and hope its not a fake ?
2020-11-29T23:23:24 < karlp> fuck developers of these apps too, "runs on a bluepill!1!!" [only if you use undocumented unsupported flash space, and patch tools to allow writing into undocumented space]
2020-11-29T23:23:31 < karlp> dis-service to everyone
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2020-11-29T23:48:12 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/A_BlNA7bBxo
2020-11-29T23:48:50 < qyx> L4 superpros, OctoSPI IO manager (OctoSPIIOM)
2020-11-29T23:48:55 < qyx> Efficient OctoSPI pin assignment with a full IO Matrix (before alternate function map)
2020-11-29T23:49:06 < qyx> does it mean I can connect my memory as I want?
2020-11-29T23:49:41 < zyp> within whatever limitations it have, yes
2020-11-29T23:49:50 < zyp> going just by what you quoted
2020-11-29T23:50:11 < qyx> download RM, 43MB
2020-11-29T23:51:45 < zyp> apparently when you've got a pallet jack, «let's put it on a pallet» starts being the solution for everything: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/DugbJ.jpg
2020-11-29T23:52:29 < zyp> so today I've been loading up crushed stone on pallets :p
2020-11-29T23:53:04 < karlp> bit light on the white stuff there...
2020-11-29T23:53:11 < karlp> you had a low snow autumn/winter so far?
2020-11-29T23:53:21 < zyp> is it winter already?
2020-11-29T23:54:00 < karlp> annar í svarta föstudagur? fyrsti í cyber? þridji í aðventu? *shrugs*
2020-11-29T23:54:15 < karlp> we finalyl got some snow thursday/friday, been veyr late this year
2020-11-29T23:54:16 < zyp> neighbor was changing to winter tires yesterday
2020-11-29T23:54:39 < zyp> it's been like 3-4 degrees lately, but not really below freezing
2020-11-29T23:54:50 < qyx> isn't the kid too pink?
2020-11-29T23:55:01 < zyp> for what?
2020-11-29T23:55:08 < qyx> so the octospi thing, there are several ports, P1-Pn
2020-11-29T23:55:20 < qyx> you can multiplex two octospi peripherals to whatever ports you want
2020-11-29T23:55:30 < qyx> not pins
2020-11-29T23:56:04 < qyx> so having 2 peripherals is meh when I only have one port accessible
2020-11-29T23:56:04 < zyp> kid did most of the work, I was just watching: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/RbKpJ.mp4
2020-11-29T23:56:43 < qyx> hah
2020-11-29T23:59:35 < Steffanx> Lolol zyp
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2020-11-30T00:00:03 < Steffanx> Thats not level Asian yet :P
2020-11-30T00:00:23 < zyp> well, she's only half asian
2020-11-30T00:01:20 < qyx> and two octospi ports are only accessible from 144pin upwards
2020-11-30T00:02:26 < qyx> so the options left are huge LQFP, 0.4mm WLCSP, 0.5mm BGA and 144 pin 0.8mm BGA, which is not in stock on mouser
2020-11-30T00:06:16  * karlp grins at kid shovels
2020-11-30T00:06:36 < karlp> 48 pins is enough for anyone...
2020-11-30T00:07:49 < qyx> so apparently no viable way of adding a RFU footprint for external ram and flash
2020-11-30T00:08:59 < karlp> RFU?
2020-11-30T00:09:07 < qyx> reserved-for-future-use
2020-11-30T00:09:23 < karlp> you-aint-gonna-need-it
2020-11-30T00:09:27 < karlp> remove for great glory!
2020-11-30T00:09:48 < qyx> sure, in the current revision, we wanted one axis only
2020-11-30T00:09:54 < qyx> at 110 sps
2020-11-30T00:10:02 < qyx> with a 1024 FFT
2020-11-30T00:10:25 < qyx> now I am trying to make 3 axis 4094 FFT with a 48K of SRAM
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2020-11-30T00:39:47  * qyx dumb
2020-11-30T00:40:48 < qyx> oh maybe not
2020-11-30T00:41:03 < qyx> yeah I cannot parallel hyperbus memories on a single bus
2020-11-30T00:41:10 < qyx> I have to use dedicated chip selects
2020-11-30T00:43:02 < qyx> L4+ doesn't have multiple chip selects per bus nor differential clock
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2020-11-30T03:40:13 < mawk> I wrote a new one: https://tricks.serveur.io/bypass-vpn-for-some-ip-addresses.html
2020-11-30T03:40:15 < mawk> someone needs to pay me
2020-11-30T03:43:47 < apathy> I'm sorry, mawk. I'm afraid I cannot let you do that.
2020-11-30T03:44:01 < mawk> :(
2020-11-30T03:44:24 < apathy> If you want the truth... It's because you're white. And you prefer women.
2020-11-30T03:44:51 < mawk> lol
2020-11-30T03:45:06 < apathy> You are welcome to apply again if you change your pronoun.
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2020-11-30T09:28:20 < Thorn> what is a reasonable tft panel size for h7? can it update a 1280x800 display smoothly?
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2020-11-30T10:21:58 < jpa-> Thorn: if you have enough external RAM for double-buffered drawing, yeah, should be possible
2020-11-30T10:22:53 < Thorn> 16MB of 32-bit wide sdram
2020-11-30T10:23:30 < Thorn> a 16-bit surface of 1280x800 is 2000 kbytes
2020-11-30T10:23:30 < jpa-> yep
2020-11-30T10:24:17 < Thorn> (now need to figure out how ltdc works with a 16-bit surface + RGB666 interface)
2020-11-30T10:24:50 < Thorn> the panel is RGB666 LVDS
2020-11-30T10:28:19 < Thorn> btw, are there tested solutions of how to connect a lvds panel to stm32mp1?
2020-11-30T10:28:40 < Thorn> it only seems to have 2-lane mipi dsi?
2020-11-30T10:36:04 < zyp> can't you just wire it as RGB565 and leave out the LSB for red and blue?
2020-11-30T10:39:23 < jpa-> to make use of whole contrast range, one should copy bit 0 to bit1, and that might screw up impedance with LVDS if done in wiring
2020-11-30T10:40:27 < jpa-> but AFAIK LTDC can do the pixel format conversion quite simply
2020-11-30T10:40:43 < jpa-> * copy bit 1 to bit 0
2020-11-30T10:41:15 < zyp> yeah, I thought so too, just saying there's always another way
2020-11-30T10:41:49 < Thorn> cube doesn't seem to have an rgb565 option for ltdc, will read the refman
2020-11-30T10:42:08 < Thorn> mp1 does have parallel rgb output but that's painful to route https://wiki.st.com/stm32mpu/wiki/LTDC_internal_peripheral
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2020-11-30T11:20:00 < Steffanx> How do i contact you mawk?
2020-11-30T11:21:43 < mawk> here
2020-11-30T11:22:04 < Steffanx> but when im not here?
2020-11-30T11:22:16 < zyp> come here
2020-11-30T11:22:25 < Steffanx> but when if i dont know about ##stm32
2020-11-30T11:22:30 < Steffanx> "and if you find a way to contact me I could give it a shot."
2020-11-30T11:22:31 < Steffanx> *what
2020-11-30T11:22:53 < Steffanx> Your blog says that, but i dont see a way to contact you there ;)
2020-11-30T11:23:05 < Steffanx> Not twatter, no about no nothing
2020-11-30T11:23:11 < zyp> it's a challenge
2020-11-30T11:23:40 < Steffanx> "Dedicated to A. " lol mawk. 
2020-11-30T11:24:31 < mawk> lol
2020-11-30T11:24:39 < mawk> I told you I was going to do it
2020-11-30T11:24:53 < mawk> and since all my women are named A. they won't notice a thing
2020-11-30T11:25:13 < mawk> Steffanx: a creative person would send an email
2020-11-30T11:25:19 < mawk> to my server
2020-11-30T11:25:26 < mawk> all addresses are redirected to my main address
2020-11-30T11:30:40 < Steffanx> expect no response then :P
2020-11-30T11:30:55 < mawk> that's the plan
2020-11-30T11:31:00 < mawk> only motivated persons will try
2020-11-30T11:31:13 < mawk> and I don't want to give my irc nick, I say too many horrible things here
2020-11-30T11:31:16 < mawk> what would my boss say
2020-11-30T11:31:54 < mawk> if he doesn't fire me for being a nazi, he will fire me for getting high on duty
2020-11-30T11:34:36 < Steffanx> yeah, because its hard to get to that
2020-11-30T11:35:11 < mawk> yes very hard
2020-11-30T11:36:42 < Steffanx> Totally
2020-11-30T11:37:11 < Steffanx> Your hostname/mask isnt mawk@serveur.io :P
2020-11-30T11:37:24 < Steffanx> which google doesnt know
2020-11-30T11:37:40 < mawk> any address works
2020-11-30T11:37:43 < mawk> fjdosijfdsoif@serveur.io
2020-11-30T11:38:24 < Steffanx> i mean, mawk@serveur.io appears all over the web when you go for "serveur.io" "irc" on zhe google.
2020-11-30T11:39:09 < Steffanx> so better dont tell the boss about serveur.io
2020-11-30T11:39:41 < mawk> I don't think he would type that
2020-11-30T11:39:49 < mawk> but at least I won't give it directly
2020-11-30T11:41:37 < Steffanx> Good luck :)
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2020-11-30T12:30:19 < Steffanx> Btw mr mawk. Next time when you want to explain math, assume your reader does not know math. Especially not the magic notation(s)
2020-11-30T12:30:35 < mawk> that's too hard Steffanx 
2020-11-30T12:30:37 < Steffanx> Or say "remember that .... " 
2020-11-30T12:30:42 < mawk> if I have to reinvent the wheel each time
2020-11-30T12:30:48 < mawk> so there is always a minimum level needed
2020-11-30T12:30:56 < mawk> which notation is not clear?
2020-11-30T12:31:01 < mawk> I invented the one with a ? on top
2020-11-30T12:31:04 < mawk> isn't it cool?
2020-11-30T12:31:29 < Steffanx> Should write a paper about it. Publish it, refer to it
2020-11-30T12:31:35 < mawk> φ(n) is the number of numbers < n that are coprime to n
2020-11-30T12:31:41 < mawk> a ^ b is the greatest common divisor of a and b
2020-11-30T12:31:47 < mawk> a|b means a divides b
2020-11-30T12:31:58 < mawk> Πp_i is a product of all the p_i
2020-11-30T12:34:36 < karlp> Steffanx: only people who will even read maths wank like that are other math wanker
2020-11-30T12:35:01 < Steffanx> Yeah I guess 
2020-11-30T12:37:50 < mawk> lol
2020-11-30T12:37:52 < mawk> it's a useful problem
2020-11-30T12:38:14 < mawk> knowing how to do something by hand faster than a computer cannot even do is cool
2020-11-30T12:45:09 < karlp> the important premise there is that it's something you would ever want to do, for any reason other than maths wank
2020-11-30T12:48:46 < Steffanx> i get the idea karlp is not a fan
2020-11-30T12:50:21 < mawk> summing stuff is everywhere
2020-11-30T12:50:56 < mawk> it's like saying developing a librayr is useless because you cannot execute it to do something with it
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2020-11-30T12:53:32 < Steffanx> i dont recall i ever had to do something like that mr mawk
2020-11-30T12:56:18 < Steffanx> but when i do, i know who to ask now :P
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2020-11-30T13:08:53 < kakium69> hello innovation
2020-11-30T13:08:59 < kakium69> it's early kaki
2020-11-30T13:09:42 < Steffanx> sup kakium69
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2020-11-30T13:57:29 < mawk> Steffanx: why is 123/999 = 0.123123123123123123123...
2020-11-30T13:57:32 < mawk> ?
2020-11-30T13:57:34 < mawk> QED
2020-11-30T13:57:39 < mawk> you need to know how to sum in life
2020-11-30T14:01:10 < mawk> 123/999 is 0.123123123... because 123/999 is also 1/1000 123/(1-1/1000) = 1/1000 123 (1 + 0.001 + 0.000001 + ...) = 1/1000 (123 + 0.123 + 0.000123 + 0.000000123 + ...) = 0.123123123123123...
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2020-11-30T22:48:01  * Laurenceb is trying to run radiance
2020-11-30T22:48:05 < Laurenceb> this is a bad idea
2020-11-30T22:48:18 < Laurenceb> practically abandonware
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2020-11-30T22:50:57 < Steffanx> lol what the lighting simulator mr Laurenceb?
2020-11-30T22:51:08 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-11-30T22:51:25 < Laurenceb> trying to sim stratosolar
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2020-11-30T23:56:23 < karlp> did you forget to save your work last time?
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